| 00:00.00 | YaleR | g00se, kdebaseeee |
| 00:00.04 | PerfDave | jim: It's kind of meaningless, different distros and versions have different defaults. |
| 00:00.11 | phogg | g00se: I ran KDE just fine on a 350MHz box for years. Just make sureyou turn all of the effects off and choose a simple theme. |
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| 00:00.13 | jim | ok, under debian sarge, |
| 00:00.22 | Coag | alright ill be back guys |
| 00:00.26 | PerfDave | Then again, I'd rather pay money to upgrade my hardware to run KDE than use Gnome. It's just fortunate that I don't have to ;) |
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| 00:00.42 | jim | its default configuration of kde versus its default configuration of gnome... |
| 00:00.45 | g00se | Thanks guys. Almost forgot - how much kdebase HD space? |
| 00:00.46 | abrotman | cafuego: you're alive! |
| 00:00.48 | cafuego | nemo__: Hey! |
| 00:00.56 | granden | What is the module name for php support in apache? |
| 00:00.59 | rbochan | g00se: clicky clicky... http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=157090&cid=13169750 |
| 00:00.59 | abrotman | jim: got a crap box to play with ? |
| 00:01.10 | jim | PerfDave: are you saying you prefer kde? |
| 00:01.12 | abrotman | granden: libapache-mod-php4 or libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 00:01.13 | deadcat | granden: apt-cache search lib apache php |
| 00:01.16 | cafuego | granden: libapache-mod-php4 |
| 00:01.26 | jim | abrotman: hmm, I could get one I guess |
| 00:01.26 | PerfDave | jim: It's not so much "prefer" as "would rather not use X than use Gnome" |
| 00:01.28 | granden | thanks |
| 00:01.28 | cafuego | abrotman: I've been hiding in #ubuntu |
| 00:01.36 | cafuego | abrotman: Less tards on teh weekends there. |
| 00:01.38 | abrotman | cafuego: you don't love us anymore ? |
| 00:01.49 | jim | PerfDave: so how do you stand on kde? |
| 00:01.53 | cafuego | abrotman: Don't say that, my sarge box has a 151 day uptime ;-) |
| 00:01.53 | rbochan | cafuego: because they stop in here first =/ |
| 00:02.09 | abrotman | cafuego: *sniff* |
| 00:02.10 | PerfDave | jim: With my head held high ;) |
| 00:02.12 | mwilson | cafuego: Isn't the level higher in there all the time? |
| 00:02.27 | cafuego | mwilson: Nah |
| 00:02.34 | dabaR | how can I find out if a dnsmasq daemon is running? |
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| 00:02.52 | abrotman | ps aux ? |
| 00:02.55 | sporkbomb | dabaR: man ps |
| 00:02.57 | phogg | dabaR: ps aux|grep dnsmasq |
| 00:03.02 | jim | PerfDave: ok, howbout this... what do you like about kde? for each, in comparison to gnome, you'd say what? |
| 00:03.16 | CT-71 | gotta see if i got deborpahn... |
| 00:03.18 | dabaR | thanks |
| 00:03.19 | CT-71 | orphan |
| 00:03.21 | sporkbomb | jim: why don't you try both/all and formulate your own opinion? |
| 00:03.31 | jim | -yes-, as a matter of fact I -am- looking for detailed opinions... |
| 00:03.33 | phogg | dabaR: or maybe it uses a pidfile... /var/run/dnsmasq/ might have something |
| 00:03.52 | dabaR | nobody is using it., user is nobody. |
| 00:04.08 | abrotman | jim: i prefer gnome because it's simple,clean, and works well with me :) |
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| 00:04.27 | Jondo | Does the debian installer support usb cdroms as install medium? |
| 00:04.39 | jim | and I absolutely think I am entitled to same,,, given that when folks ask for help here, the helpers respond (usually) by asking for details... turnabout is fair play :) |
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| 00:04.55 | PerfDave | jim: I like KDE because it's the one GUI I've found for Linux that lets me get the fuck on with what I want to do. I very rarely want or need to change anything from the default configurations, and when I do it's easy for me to do so. It keeps me happy, stays out of my way and lets me be productive in a way that no other GUI I've used does. KDE 2 was the thing that made me start using Linux seriously, KDE 3 is the thing that made me ditch Window |
| 00:05.18 | CT-71 | wtf |
| 00:05.22 | CT-71 | lol |
| 00:05.36 | lildude | kde seems ok |
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| 00:06.06 | jim | perfdave: interesting... so, what specifically do you use linux for? // abrotman: thanks;; same question :) |
| 00:06.09 | dabaR | YOu guys know where the log for the dnsmasq server is? |
| 00:06.10 | abrotman | jim: really honestly .. it's all about your preferences ... |
| 00:06.12 | rbochan | PerfDave: I'd have to agree, as well as add that the apps that ship with kde.. kmail and k3b in particular, are superb |
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| 00:06.24 | abrotman | jim: me .. obviously irc .. what else woudl i do with my time :) |
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| 00:06.32 | jim | abrotman: yes I do really understand that :) |
| 00:06.37 | igorlinux | !noscreens |
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| 00:06.45 | mwilson | dabaR: Did you configure it to keep one? |
| 00:06.49 | abrotman | jim: at work .. more development than at home .. at home .. more browsing .. general computer use |
| 00:06.50 | PerfDave | jim: I use it for web browsing, IRC, RSS reading, instant messaging, music playing, word processing, e-mail... as well as sysadmin and programming |
| 00:06.54 | jim | abrotman: you can use anything for that :P doesnt' even matter :) |
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| 00:06.59 | dabaR | true...:) |
| 00:07.01 | igorlinux | hey dudes |
| 00:07.04 | YaleR | I hate the added apps kde comes with, kdebase3.4 + k3b + ark + kaudiocreator = awesome |
| 00:07.07 | abrotman | jim: i know .. |
| 00:07.13 | jim | s/for that/for IRC. |
| 00:07.15 | Mardus | Hi again. |
| 00:07.18 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.25 | dabaR | what does a sane location mean? |
| 00:07.40 | PerfDave | jim: The only non-KDE GUI apps I use are xmms, Firefox and OpenOffice, and in the case of OpenOffice it's because I know loads of people using it on Windows. |
| 00:07.43 | igorlinux | can u hlep me? my debian give the message "No Screens found" ;\ |
| 00:07.45 | jim | a place away from the GOOD pills |
| 00:07.49 | lildude | hey igorlinux |
| 00:07.51 | phogg | dabaR: depends on everything |
| 00:07.53 | PerfDave | igorlinux: /msg dpkg noscreensfound |
| 00:07.58 | igorlinux | tks ;D |
| 00:08.02 | abrotman | jim: i could never get comfy in KDE .. too much glitz/glamour(which is configurable) .. but if i honestly found a Qt app that i preferred(like i do use opera) i'm not such an ass that i wouldn't use it |
| 00:08.07 | Mardus | I decided to take the plunge, change the sources from woody to stable and update a few programs. I did one update for dillo and another for synaptic. Now I got a beautiful and hopefully way more stable Synaptic and gaim with anti-aliased fonts. |
| 00:08.09 | Jondo | PerfDave Have you tried amarok? |
| 00:08.30 | jim | PerfDave/abrotman: how would you compare to a NONdesktop-environment, like fvwm? |
| 00:08.34 | PerfDave | Jondo: Yeah, didn't like it. I've tried *lots* of media players, but I've not found anything I liked better than xmms. |
| 00:08.41 | abrotman | jim: i used blackbox for many years ... |
| 00:08.42 | dabaR | and to restart the server? |
| 00:08.46 | phogg | Jondo: Pfft. JuK is where it's at. |
| 00:08.53 | Jondo | PerfDave try a newer version. |
| 00:08.59 | dabaR | just its name, and restart, maybe, Ill try taht. |
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| 00:09.07 | lildude | black box cool |
| 00:09.08 | Jondo | Juk is good too |
| 00:09.11 | abrotman | jim: i haven't used fvwm in quite some time .. but blackbox was also .. simple, clean, and stayed out of my way .. i'm also big on keybindings .. because the mouse shouldn't be necessary |
| 00:09.14 | Jondo | anythings better than XMMS |
| 00:09.15 | PerfDave | jim: I've not used fvwm, but I used to use Blackbox before I discovered KDE, and I just find KDE much easier to work with on a day-to-day basis. I've never liked xfce etc. |
| 00:09.16 | phogg | PerfDave: tried moosicd? It's so close to perfect I could kiss it. |
| 00:09.18 | dabaR | Does not really work. |
| 00:09.33 | sporkbomb | abrotman: you must be an ion fan then |
| 00:09.36 | YaleR | Mardus, wow, don't take too many risks. |
| 00:09.38 | PerfDave | phogg: Does it minimise to a tiny bar at the top of my screen? That's xmms' killer feature ;) |
| 00:09.39 | dabaR | $ sudo dnsmasq restart ---> dnsmasq: failed to bind listening socket: Address already in use |
| 00:09.43 | phogg | PerfDave: the main advantage to xmms is that it has been around so long that every deficiency has been corrected by a plugin |
| 00:09.45 | abrotman | sporkbomb: it's ok .. but i got really into blackbox :) |
| 00:09.54 | jim | hmm, I'm not familiar with xfce... I'll find out about that later |
| 00:09.55 | PerfDave | phogg: I don't think I use any plugins for xmms |
| 00:10.04 | abrotman | sporkbomb: my own themes .. tons of keybindings .. all kinds of stuff |
| 00:10.05 | phogg | PerfDave: it's a daemon which you control from the command line... meaning you can do it with keybindings |
| 00:10.07 | PerfDave | Jondo: I've used the version of amarok from Sarge. |
| 00:10.13 | rbochan | jim: sort of a 'gnome lite' kind of thing |
| 00:10.14 | PerfDave | phogg: Eww, no thanks. |
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| 00:10.27 | mashiur | hi |
| 00:10.27 | jim | what kind of programming do you do? either or both of you prefer emacs as programmer editor? |
| 00:10.32 | phogg | PerfDave: There are in fact some small GUIs for it, but I never bother with them |
| 00:10.40 | k-man | anyone know where I can find documentation on ioctls relating to /dev/input/eventX? |
| 00:10.43 | PerfDave | jim: I write Perl and bash scripts, in vim in konsole |
| 00:10.57 | jim | that's the kde terminal? |
| 00:10.59 | sporkbomb | jim: are you going through all the religious holy wars tonight? |
| 00:11.00 | abrotman | jim: i also used E for a while |
| 00:11.00 | PerfDave | Indeed |
| 00:11.00 | sporkbomb | hehe |
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| 00:11.10 | mashiur | anyone know how to know which version of debian I have? |
| 00:11.19 | gravity | mashiur: cat /etc/debian-version |
| 00:11.19 | abrotman | jim: nvi/vi/vim .. |
| 00:11.24 | abrotman | gravity: _ |
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| 00:11.29 | mashiur | thanks gravity |
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| 00:11.48 | vinay | I'm trying to set up this printer... instructions on google specifically for debian say once I select approprirate device in cups, chose "HP5500" as the printer ... however, I do not se ethat option.. is there a specific debian package that has additional drivers? |
| 00:11.50 | jim | sporkbomb: :P I'm limiting the religious holy war to two people who are not likely to get into a war :P |
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| 00:11.57 | g00se | jim: http://xwinman.org/ |
| 00:12.13 | PerfDave | Oh fuck, I'm agreeing with abrotman about soemthing, that shouldn't be allowed ;) |
| 00:12.22 | mashiur | gravity :: it says 3.1 does it woody? |
| 00:12.24 | abrotman | PerfDave: about blackbox ? |
| 00:12.29 | PerfDave | abrotman: About vim :) |
| 00:12.32 | gravity | mashiur: Sarge |
| 00:12.39 | abrotman | PerfDave: oh .. and blackbox .. but don't tell greyeyes ! |
| 00:12.44 | jim | PerfDave: wtF??! QUICK! CHANGE YOUR MIND! |
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| 00:12.57 | mashiur | gravity : thanks |
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| 00:13.15 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 00:13.15 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 00:13.23 | PerfDave | Wow, I can do my laundry from my editor! |
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| 00:13.26 | a_arcane | How do i make automount (autofs) mount a users home directory from a NFS server as an indirect mount point. So that it mounts subdirectories of /home but not /home it self? |
| 00:13.36 | CptS | hi, how do i remove a directory that conatins files in debian root terminal? (noob :) |
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| 00:14.00 | PerfDave | a_arcane: Why do you want to do this? You can use one of the PAM modules to mount their home directory when they log in, if that's what you want to do. |
| 00:14.03 | PerfDave | CptS: man rm |
| 00:14.03 | abrotman | !fundamentals |
| 00:14.04 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
| 00:14.09 | phogg | vinay: maybe try foomatic-filters-ppd |
| 00:14.21 | jim | I wonder if the lisp that comes with emacs could be cleaned up... it uses nonclean pointers |
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| 00:14.28 | CptS | PerfDave -r -d ? |
| 00:14.28 | jim | and that's NOT good |
| 00:14.33 | a_arcane | PerfDave, I dont know what that is. |
| 00:14.40 | dabaR | why would he say that... |
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| 00:14.54 | CptS | !fundamentals |
| 00:14.55 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
| 00:15.03 | PerfDave | a_arcane: What are you actually trying to achieve? autofs is for mounting things dynamically, NFS is usually just mounted at boot and unmounted at shutdown. |
| 00:15.03 | phogg | CptS: don't guess, man rm |
| 00:15.37 | dabaR | hm... |
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| 00:16.08 | jim | CptS: -strongly- what phogg said!! do NOT guess here! this command is very powerful in its destructive potential! |
| 00:16.19 | a_arcane | PerfDave, im trying to get the home dir of the server to be used as the home dir on my client. I have a NFS server up and working. Now i want to use autofs to mount it. |
| 00:16.22 | PerfDave | rm is especially powerful if you're running as root ;) |
| 00:16.31 | Cyis | hmm... curious... |
| 00:16.44 | CptS | phogg: jim, PerfDave: thanks.. :) reading |
| 00:16.48 | PerfDave | a_arcane: Why do you want to use autofs to mount it, rather than just mounting it at boot with /etc/fstab ? |
| 00:16.48 | dabaR | DO you know how I can restart the dnsmasq server? |
| 00:16.55 | PerfDave | dabaR: invoke-rc.d dnsmasq restart |
| 00:16.57 | phogg | dabaR: same way you restart any daemon |
| 00:16.59 | vinay | phogg: hmm no package |
| 00:17.00 | dabaR | thank you. |
| 00:17.13 | vinay | phogg: ok its ppds |
| 00:17.16 | a_arcane | PerfDave, ive been instructed to use autofs. I have no choice. |
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| 00:17.25 | dabaR | I dont restart servers, they just run so far, but, ya, |
| 00:17.25 | phogg | vinay: maybe it's an old package of mine. Try installing any ppd packages |
| 00:17.26 | a_arcane | if not i would use fstab. |
| 00:17.37 | js_ | is it possible to use quota on reiserfs with the debian stock 2.6 kernel in sarge? |
| 00:17.38 | jim | when I do intro to unix courses, I don't bring up rm and mark down for uses of rm where they don't show an absolute knowledge of what they are doing with it (including a detailed description in their own words of what each switch they used does) |
| 00:17.39 | dabaR | yay. |
| 00:17.41 | dabaR | :) |
| 00:17.43 | PerfDave | a_arcane: Instructed? This is some school assignment? |
| 00:17.47 | Cyis | anyone in the know on kernel development, specifically ioctl32.h ? just trying to upgrade from 2.6.8 to 2.6.12.4 and some things are failing because of it |
| 00:17.48 | dabaR | hehe, Im happy like a kid,.. |
| 00:17.55 | a_arcane | PerfDave, Not exactly. |
| 00:17.57 | CptS | Gread! worked :) |
| 00:18.08 | abrotman | Cyis: #kernel |
| 00:18.23 | aqua | when i installed exim it failed to make the user |
| 00:18.26 | PerfDave | a_arcane: Anyway, there was an article on autofs on http://www.debian-administration.org/ a while ago which may help you; I've not used autofs myself. |
| 00:18.29 | aqua | and when i go: useradd -u 102 exim |
| 00:18.37 | aqua | iit says uid 102 is not unique |
| 00:18.41 | PerfDave | aqua: How did you install exim, what version of Debian are you running? |
| 00:18.44 | a_arcane | Thank you very much for the help PerfDave! |
| 00:18.52 | CptS | ok, second question: how do i configure my sound card? i read the article at http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Neomagic&card=MagicMedia+256AV.&chip=NM2200&module=nm256#Inst and it returns an error when i run the commands listed there... why is that? |
| 00:18.55 | aqua | perfdave; sid, apt-get install exim-daemon-heavy |
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| 00:19.00 | jim | CptS: in addition you should look at info bash too, because it is capable of changing the command line before a command gets to it (example, echo * becomes echo every file in this directory) |
| 00:19.05 | phogg | jim: Years ago I read some horror stories about rm in some UNIX books. I've been very careful. So far I have yet to have my own personal rm disaster. I keep waiting for that shoe to drop. |
| 00:19.23 | PerfDave | aqua: If you've installed Sarge and upgraded to Sid, you'd expect the user to already be present from when Sarge installed... |
| 00:19.28 | PerfDave | aqua: Did you check the BTS? |
| 00:19.40 | dabaR | Im gonna go to a movie alone tonight. I know you wanted to know, dont be all like, so..., now. |
| 00:19.43 | aqua | perfdave; well i removed exim and installed postfix |
| 00:19.47 | aqua | but i want to give exim a try |
| 00:19.52 | aqua | perfdave; sue me ;) |
| 00:19.53 | jim | phogg: then you are not in cplusplus's .plan file which contains stories of him convincing people to type rf -rm / |
| 00:19.58 | aqua | perfdave; bts ? |
| 00:19.59 | PerfDave | a_arcane: No worries. I still think you should think hard about whether autofs is the right thing for you. You may also want to look at the libpam-mount package |
| 00:20.00 | phogg | CptS: that's 'cause you're not building from source |
| 00:20.01 | TheStick | phogg: once I almost typed rm -rf /* instead of rm -rf /var/log/* ... |
| 00:20.02 | jim | err, sinc |
| 00:20.04 | PerfDave | !btssmite aqua |
| 00:20.17 | CptS | phogg: meaning? :/ |
| 00:20.25 | aqua | perfdave; listbugs said nothing when i instaleld it |
| 00:20.44 | phogg | CptS: those commands are not for you and in general not for Debian |
| 00:20.45 | YaleR | what is the opposite of eject and how do I get it on debian? |
| 00:20.47 | dabaR | nice |
| 00:20.54 | jim | suck? |
| 00:20.56 | phogg | YaleR: eject -t |
| 00:20.59 | vinay | phogg: .. that worked.. thanks... my printer still wont print .. :( |
| 00:21.02 | PerfDave | aqua: If you've got a problem with Sid, check the BTS *first*. apt-listbugs doesn't mention all bugs when you install a package. |
| 00:21.05 | dabaR | I made it work...with a little help from my "friends"...:) |
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| 00:21.12 | CptS | phogg: so... any idea on how i make my sound card working? |
| 00:21.17 | aqua | it should |
| 00:21.19 | phogg | vinay: welcom to CUPS! |
| 00:21.30 | aqua | but still |
| 00:21.34 | aqua | why cant i create the user by hand |
| 00:21.35 | jim | dabaR: your friends the man pages you read, right? :) |
| 00:21.52 | PerfDave | aqua: No, it is designed to only list critical bugs which will stop packages from installing. |
| 00:21.55 | phogg | CptS: load the correct driver module. Make sure your mixer settings are correct |
| 00:21.55 | aqua | and why is exim started using the id itself, and not a user name |
| 00:22.12 | PerfDave | aqua: Because you already have a uid 102 in your /etc/passwd perhaps? |
| 00:22.17 | aqua | perfdave; no |
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| 00:22.20 | CptS | phogg: I'm sorry, i know what to do.. i just donno how to... :( |
| 00:22.20 | dabaR | Thanks, mwilson, and phogg, and PerfDave, and others, I cant get it, tho, why it worked by itself before, if I never set this up...thanks jim too, also, I would like to thank the big man above, my parents, without whose generous support this would never be possible... |
| 00:22.27 | aqua | oh wtf |
| 00:22.33 | phogg | CptS: do you know what sound card you have? |
| 00:22.37 | dabaR | lol |
| 00:22.39 | aqua | ok it does exist |
| 00:22.47 | CptS | phogg: yes.. i lspci it.. |
| 00:22.50 | aqua | but ps aux shows it as 102 and not 'Debian-exim' |
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| 00:23.02 | PerfDave | aqua: I wouldn't expect it to have been removed when you replaced exim with postfix TBH. |
| 00:23.06 | phogg | CptS: do you think you have the correct driver loaded? |
| 00:23.11 | CptS | phogg: Multimedia audio controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2200 [MagicMedia 256AV Audio] (rev 20) |
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| 00:23.24 | colin__ | on ./configureing something I get this error "configure: error: "Cannot find zlib.h." What do |
| 00:23.25 | CptS | phogg: i donno how to load a driver... |
| 00:23.26 | vinay | phogg: lol... ok im installing windows driver in vmware .. seeing if the printer works AT ALL |
| 00:23.27 | colin__ | i need to install |
| 00:23.29 | aqua | perfdave; yeah it was there :x kick me |
| 00:23.36 | PerfDave | !wayc colin__ |
| 00:23.37 | dpkg | colin__: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 00:23.45 | jim | and your producers, cast, director without whom you wouldn't be pregnant with your fourth child, and The National Enquirer for keeping your career going by printing that... |
| 00:23.46 | aqua | perfdave; it showed 102 cause 'Debian-exim' was to long to display |
| 00:23.47 | phogg | CptS: modprobe, but only if you know what it's called |
| 00:23.54 | colin__ | dependencies for enlightenment 17 |
| 00:23.54 | aqua | so i renamed user/group to exim :) |
| 00:23.57 | phogg | CptS: do you have hwinfo installed? It makes determining the module easier. |
| 00:23.57 | PerfDave | aqua: Fair enough :) |
| 00:24.17 | PerfDave | aqua: It jsut truncates the username for me. |
| 00:24.22 | phogg | colin__: ah, what do! Eat drums! |
| 00:24.27 | CptS | phogg: apt-get install hwinfo should get it? |
| 00:24.31 | phogg | CptS: yes |
| 00:24.36 | colin__ | mmm drums |
| 00:24.39 | jim | CptS: looks like you have learning ahead of you... remember to allow time for that |
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| 00:24.51 | aqua | anyway time to go |
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| 00:25.12 | CptS | jim: I'm more than willing.. got the books and got the ref's right but i'm stuck on the basics... |
| 00:25.26 | aFlag | how do i give permission to a user to write in a mounted filesystem? |
| 00:25.34 | jim | then factor down to the elements |
| 00:25.42 | CptS | hwinfo |
| 00:25.49 | colin__ | What do I need gto apt-get to get zlib.h? |
| 00:25.57 | phogg | CptS: you'll find that in 90% of cases it's the simple things which are hardest. The hard things get documented and automated sooner or later. |
| 00:26.09 | abrotman | colin__: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:26.17 | jim | aFlag: if said mounted filesystem understands unix-style permissions, just chown and chmod |
| 00:26.21 | phogg | colin__: the zlib -dev package |
| 00:26.27 | PerfDave | colin__: Are there no packages for e17 for Debian? |
| 00:26.37 | colin__ | it is not finished yet |
| 00:26.40 | colin__ | so no |
| 00:26.42 | CptS | phogg: I'm already there :) i can re-compile a kernel.. but installing a driver is too much. |
| 00:26.48 | jim | e17 will get you e20 |
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| 00:26.50 | phogg | PerfDave: I wish! |
| 00:27.05 | PerfDave | colin__: /msg dpkg e-cvs |
| 00:27.10 | CptS | phogg: 'k, i got the hwinfo , now where do i go? |
| 00:27.12 | phogg | CptS: that's practically the same thing |
| 00:27.13 | abrotman | !e17 |
| 00:27.13 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 00:27.20 | phogg | CptS: hwinfo --sound (as root) |
| 00:27.31 | jim | !dr17 |
| 00:27.31 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 00:27.47 | jim | what is that anyway |
| 00:27.48 | phogg | CptS: look for line saying Driver Info: |
| 00:27.50 | PerfDave | colin__: There appear to be E17 debs, but if you insist on compiling yourself, /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 00:27.52 | CptS | phogg: doesn't return anything... |
| 00:27.53 | jim | enlightemment? |
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| 00:28.03 | colin__ | I'll try the debs |
| 00:28.05 | colin__ | thanks :) |
| 00:28.08 | PerfDave | jim: Fancy-pants window manager |
| 00:28.10 | phogg | CptS: then hwinfo doesn't recognize your sound card. Damn |
| 00:28.18 | jim | oh... like kde :) |
| 00:28.22 | jim | or gnome :) |
| 00:28.36 | CptS | phogg: does it matter if i run it from a remote sh or locally? |
| 00:28.37 | PerfDave | jim: Nah, doesn't try to be a useful desktop, just goes all-out on eyecandy |
| 00:28.41 | abrotman | PerfDave: stow! |
| 00:28.57 | abrotman | jim: you didn't see the movies? |
| 00:29.01 | PerfDave | abrotman: The usrlocal factoid mentions stow. |
| 00:29.06 | jim | nope |
| 00:29.22 | jim | what movies |
| 00:29.26 | abrotman | jim: http://www.rasterman.com/index.php?page=E17 |
| 00:29.36 | phogg | CptS: no, as long as you're root |
| 00:29.37 | jim | rasterman, I remember that name |
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| 00:29.52 | CptS | phogg: i do know the make and model of the card... but i just donno how to download / install it's driver. |
| 00:29.57 | sorush20 | is there a way to ftp to your email space on the internet.. so that you could use it as a bckup space.. I'm refering to gmail. |
| 00:29.58 | phogg | CptS: are you using kernel 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 00:30.00 | abrotman | jim: http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17_movie-02.avi |
| 00:30.02 | abrotman | jim: http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17_movie-03.avi |
| 00:30.07 | CptS | phogg: 2.4 |
| 00:30.09 | jim | wait, wait... we're encouraging him to be root? |
| 00:30.11 | phogg | CptS: there is a large chance you have its driver already |
| 00:30.27 | CptS | phogg: so? how do i apply it? |
| 00:30.29 | PerfDave | sorush20: There's gmailfs, but using it is a violation of gmail's TOS and can get your account pulled, so it's not a sensible backup method |
| 00:30.40 | phogg | CptS: look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/sound/ |
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| 00:30.57 | phogg | CptS: see if you can find a file called (say) via82cxxx_audio.o |
| 00:31.36 | phogg | CptS: are you using a stock debian kernel? Do you insist on alsa or can you live with oss? |
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| 00:31.52 | jim | CptS: loading a driver (i.e., using insmod, rmmod, modprobe and maybe lsmod) can only be done as root... it's -not- good to be logged in as root all the time!! only when you're doing something that can only be done as root... and maybe you could consider arranging to allow your user to do it instead of having to be root |
| 00:31.54 | jim | it] |
| 00:31.57 | jim | is important |
| 00:32.04 | CptS | phogg: i can live with anything that will play mp3's :) |
| 00:32.18 | phogg | CptS: okay, so say modprobe via82cxxx_audio and see what happens |
| 00:32.20 | pogi | Im handsome |
| 00:32.26 | pogi | ya |
| 00:32.26 | sorush20 | PerfDave: I will also be using the space for normal emailing.. |
| 00:32.46 | phogg | CptS: most likely you're set to use oss already and that is probably the OSS driver module for your card |
| 00:32.47 | pogi | hi sorush |
| 00:32.52 | sorush20 | PerfDave: does gmail ask not to use the space as backup |
| 00:33.03 | CptS | phogg: failed |
| 00:33.06 | sorush20 | pogi.. hi |
| 00:33.31 | PerfDave | sorush20: Read the gmail TOS. |
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| 00:34.04 | abrotman | who? |
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| 00:34.34 | phogg | CptS: try modprobe cs4232 |
| 00:34.34 | peterS | PerfDave: transitive or intransitive? |
| 00:35.02 | jim | or modprobe snd-cs4232 |
| 00:35.04 | phogg | CptS: What I'm doing here is googling for what lspci says is your sound card and seeing what modules get mentioned |
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| 00:35.11 | phogg | CptS: it's crude but effective |
| 00:35.26 | E-bola | Hmm after changing my main nic from the crappy onboard sis to a still crappy but supposedly better pci realtech, my incomming speed is completely crippled while my outgoing is fine... |
| 00:35.29 | CptS | phogg: neither worked... |
| 00:35.31 | E-bola | anybody ever tried that? |
| 00:35.32 | jim | oss is being slowly kicked out of the kernel, and alsa is taking its place |
| 00:36.03 | CptS | phogg: alsa site says my driver should be snd-nm256 |
| 00:36.06 | jim | E-bola: looks like the sis is better :) |
| 00:36.30 | phogg | CptS: that's great if you have alsa set up. Try modprobing that |
| 00:36.45 | jim | CptS: so snd-* is alsa |
| 00:36.47 | pogi | hi |
| 00:36.49 | pogi | hi |
| 00:36.50 | pogi | ih |
| 00:36.50 | pogi | i |
| 00:36.51 | pogi | hih |
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| 00:36.56 | finn | hah |
| 00:36.59 | phogg | CptS: but if you've got a stock 2.4 debian kernel I'd assume you have OSS |
| 00:37.03 | abrotman | wtf was that ? |
| 00:37.05 | finn | good night |
| 00:37.13 | phogg | CptS: also you mway want to try modprobe ad1848 |
| 00:37.33 | CptS | phogg: jim: modprob doesn't find the module... |
| 00:37.34 | black13 | this make be a silly question but what is .ko file? |
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| 00:37.46 | jim | which kernel again? |
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| 00:37.55 | CptS | jim: 2.4 |
| 00:37.59 | jim | kernel object/ |
| 00:38.00 | phogg | CptS: look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/sound/ and see what there is to see. Those are your audio drivers |
| 00:38.01 | jim | ? |
| 00:38.11 | daffy-pkf | is glibc on lfs the same thing as libc on debian? |
| 00:38.16 | jim | cpts: so you have to get the alsa drivers separately |
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| 00:38.27 | CptS | phogg: i'm there looking.. what should i be looking for? |
| 00:38.34 | jim | they didn't start kickign out oss yet in 2.4 |
| 00:38.35 | CptS | jim: how do i do that? |
| 00:38.57 | Brett18 | are there 2 dvd iso images? |
| 00:39.00 | phogg | CptS: files named e.g. ad1848.o. |
| 00:39.07 | jim | look for alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 00:39.10 | CptS | jim: i apt-get install alsa, but it didn't get me the driver. |
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| 00:39.23 | Brett18 | binary 1 and binary 2. what are they? |
| 00:39.24 | jim | first... echo alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 00:39.43 | abrotman | Brett18: yes |
| 00:39.43 | jim | Brett18: binary |
| 00:39.46 | CptS | phogg: i see ad1848.o.. |
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| 00:39.52 | got | fuck u |
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| 00:39.56 | phogg | CptS: apt-get install alsa-modules-`uname -r` |
| 00:39.56 | abrotman | Brett18: all the packages .. sarge is big |
| 00:39.58 | jordzzzzzzzz | jgfiffg |
| 00:40.00 | abrotman | got: is that all ? |
| 00:40.13 | Brett18 | oh. thats big |
| 00:40.14 | got | yawa |
| 00:40.20 | jordzzzzzzzz | dyawa kam |
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| 00:40.26 | got | buaug c jordan |
| 00:40.26 | Brett18 | i'm glad i'm downloading the dvd's lol |
| 00:40.35 | Brett18 | thats like 6 cd's |
| 00:40.36 | phogg | CptS: that means you have a driver for analog devices 1848, and that means that if that's your chipset modprobe ad1848 will load the driver for you |
| 00:40.37 | jordzzzzzzzz | hi brett18 |
| 00:40.48 | phogg | CptS: try lsmod. See if any audio drivers are loaded already |
| 00:40.54 | jim | Brett18: you don't need any of those, btw... |
| 00:40.56 | abrotman | wow .. got and jordzzzzzzzz .. two people from the same machien .. the same machine pogi was from .. the guy who got kicked .. |
| 00:40.58 | jordzzzzzzzz | can i talk to u |
| 00:40.59 | CptS | phogg: what's uname -r? |
| 00:41.03 | got | jord buang ka |
| 00:41.14 | phogg | CptS: uname -r prints your kernel version |
| 00:41.15 | jordzzzzzzzz | fuct u |
| 00:41.22 | got | fuk u 2 |
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| 00:41.32 | jordzzzzzzzz | fuk u 3 |
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| 00:41.40 | got | fuk u 4 |
| 00:41.41 | abrotman | !ops jordzzzzzzzz and got were pogi and seem to be trolling |
| 00:41.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: jordzzzzzzzz and got were pogi and seem to be trolling |
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| 00:41.57 | jordzzzzzzzz | ambot nimo |
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| 00:42.10 | abrotman | helix: thank you |
| 00:42.13 | dabaR | what would be a reason for dpkg to ignore me? |
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| 00:42.17 | CptS | phogg: didn't work, i typed it manualy and it's getting alsa modules now.. no sound drivers are loaded (lsmod) |
| 00:42.23 | dvs | so much for the "wonder twins" |
| 00:42.48 | abrotman | dvs: they shared a brain ... |
| 00:42.53 | phogg | CptS: none of the loaded modules match files in the sound directory? |
| 00:42.59 | dvs | abrotman: and both were defective |
| 00:43.08 | peterS | CptS: do you have a nm256_audio module? |
| 00:43.22 | peterS | CptS: recent 2.4 kernels do, I haven't checked how far back it goes |
| 00:43.24 | dabaR | dpkg ignores me for a while after I start a query with him, then after he starts answering. |
| 00:43.24 | CptS | phogg: no match. and no, no such file.. |
| 00:43.34 | dabaR | maybe if you are not in #debian, he ignores you? |
| 00:43.44 | abrotman | dabaR: it's called lag ... |
| 00:43.48 | peterS | dabaR: correct. you have to share at least one channel with it or it ignores you |
| 00:43.52 | CptS | petemS: no such module... |
| 00:43.59 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.09 | abrotman | jim: why .. they've been banned |
| 00:44.15 | peterS | CptS: what kernel version exactly? |
| 00:44.16 | dabaR | abrotman: I mean, he dont answer for a while. Thanks peterS . |
| 00:44.18 | CptS | phogg: i got the alsa-modules. |
| 00:44.21 | jim | oh, oops :) |
| 00:44.29 | CptS | peterS: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 00:44.35 | abrotman | peterS: you're here! |
| 00:44.47 | peterS | CptS: there ought to be a /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/nm256_audio.o then |
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| 00:44.50 | peterS | abrotman: I am indeed |
| 00:44.52 | jim | is there a package alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386? |
| 00:45.01 | dvs | jim: should be |
| 00:45.08 | CptS | peterS: not there.. :( |
| 00:45.18 | jim | !info alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 00:45.20 | dvs | !find alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 sarge |
| 00:45.20 | dpkg | alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386: (ALSA modules for kernel 2.4.27-2-386), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.9+1 (sid), Packaged size: 1340 kB, Installed size: 3672 kB |
| 00:45.45 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386' returned no results. |
| 00:45.50 | dvs | oops! |
| 00:46.19 | peterS | CptS: odd. I wonder why not. anyway, as jim is hinting, you could install alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 and then insert the modules snd-nm256 and snd-pcm-oss |
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| 00:46.23 | jim | CptS: apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 00:46.39 | jim | root: roots have no voice! |
| 00:46.46 | abrotman | why does apt not tell root any more ? |
| 00:46.48 | jim | as he already found out |
| 00:46.53 | peterS | abrotman: because of the new irc server |
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| 00:47.00 | CptS | jim: i just did that.. apt-get them.. now how do i use them? |
| 00:47.08 | peterS | abrotman: since it shows idents as n=root or i=root instead of just root or ~root |
| 00:47.12 | peterS | I guess |
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| 00:47.25 | abrotman | peterS: i know why .. |
| 00:47.34 | abrotman | peterS: how do we get tim to fix it ? |
| 00:47.35 | jim | look to see what alsa drivers you have... you need some other alsa packages too |
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| 00:47.46 | jim | alsa-base, alsamixer |
| 00:47.55 | jim | !find alsamixer |
| 00:47.56 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'alsamixer' (2): alsamixergui ;; gnome-alsamixer. |
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| 00:48.25 | jim | !info alsa-utils |
| 00:48.26 | dpkg | alsa-utils: (ALSA utilities), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.9a-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1020 kB, Installed size: 1696 kB |
| 00:48.26 | libertine | i am install alsamixer. |
| 00:48.34 | libertine | ~ims |
| 00:48.52 | abrotman | !coo |
| 00:49.24 | peterS | CptS: so ummm. according to http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386&version=testing&arch=i386&page=15&number=50 , nm256_audio.o does exist |
| 00:49.50 | Laibsch | Hi, anybody know about the schedule/state-of-affairs for xserver-xorg with regard to testing? I just see it always beginning a new 10-day period. I do not understand why. |
| 00:49.56 | CptS | I have the latest alsa on all the packages u told me to get. |
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| 00:50.20 | peterS | CptS: try 'modprobe snd-nm256' and 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' then |
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| 00:51.16 | d3s | what's the program for digital camera that can create a presentation CD including movies from linux? |
| 00:51.23 | jim | CptS: oss and alsa are two different drivers that are separate from each other and establish totally different shapes in the way of device naming and numbering |
| 00:51.24 | abrotman | Laibsch: -5 was just uploaded |
| 00:51.37 | CptS | peterS: the first failed. the second just gave me a new line. |
| 00:51.49 | peterS | CptS: the first failed? how so? |
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| 00:52.04 | CptS | cd alsa |
| 00:52.07 | jim | either you would use alsa (which is newer) or oss (which was the original but is getting kicked out due to its nonfreeness probably) |
| 00:52.43 | Laibsch | abrotman: yes, that is what I read on http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xorg-x11.html. What I do not understand is why is -4 not in testing? The waiting would have been over by now. |
| 00:52.46 | jim | if you were to choose alsa, you could establish a compatibility system for oss |
| 00:52.48 | peterS | jim: dude, what non-freeness? there is a commercial set of OSS drivers but that doesn't affect the ones in-kernel |
| 00:52.49 | CptS | peterS: donno... |
| 00:52.56 | abrotman | Laibsch: because -5 replaces it .. and the process starts anew |
| 00:52.56 | peterS | CptS: you can at least tell me the error message |
| 00:53.25 | abrotman | Laibsch: only once -5 or whatever following version meets criteria . it will go into testing/etch |
| 00:53.26 | jim | peterS: ok, so is there another reason alsa is deprecated? |
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| 00:53.49 | CptS | peterS: no error message, it just says it failed.. |
| 00:53.53 | CptS | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/updates/alsa/snd-nm256.o: insmod snd-nm256 failed |
| 00:53.59 | peterS | jim: you mean oss is deprecated? just because alsa has more features and is better maintained. there are still a few oss drivers that work better than alsa drivers on some hardware - this is why oss is still around |
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| 00:54.26 | peterS | CptS: ok, try 'dmesg | tail' to see whether it spit any errors to the kernel log. it probably did. |
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| 00:54.29 | jim | ahh, so it's only because it works better on the average? |
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| 00:54.54 | jim | I know a drummer named celso alberti |
| 00:55.25 | abrotman | jim: can he keep a beat? |
| 00:55.31 | peterS | jim: two sets of drivers that provide the same functionality - not really productive to maintain both indefinitely. just improve the one set until it has no regressions w/r/t the other set, then drop the old set |
| 00:55.32 | jim | ohyeah |
| 00:55.46 | celso | sory me - debian-br |
| 00:55.54 | jim | np :) |
| 00:56.02 | CptS | peterS: i sent you the error on private msg. |
| 00:56.04 | Laibsch | abrotman: I guess I do not fully understand the information on said URL. It says there are some bugs. Do they all have to be solved? I did not think that testing policy would be that strict. I do not see any grave bugs. What am I missing? |
| 00:56.11 | peterS | jim: though you'll note that alsa has been in kernel for *years* and oss is still kicking. so it's a long migration |
| 00:56.17 | abrotman | Laibsch: the massive bugs do |
| 00:56.17 | odessa | has anyone in here setup an ircd-hybrid server? |
| 00:56.24 | abrotman | !why is xserver-xorg not in testing |
| 00:56.24 | dpkg | xserver-xorg is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xserver-xorg |
| 00:56.30 | jim | abrotman: he's played with some heavy cats, like maybe airto |
| 00:56.41 | CptS | peterS: i saw somewhere that sb16 should fit my soundcard... maybe we'll try to install that? |
| 00:57.14 | Laibsch | abrotman: yes, now I see it. There is an RC bug. That will definitely have to be fixed, I guess. |
| 00:57.24 | peterS | CptS: you can sure try it. I recommended snd-nm256 (and nm256_audio) solely on the strength of the PCI ident you quoted earlier. I don't know the details of what works with all hardware |
| 00:57.38 | jim | peterS: as far as I know it was not in-kernel in any of 2.4, and was present after 2.6.0 |
| 00:57.52 | peterS | jim: correct. that's still years |
| 00:58.13 | Laibsch | abrotman: thanks for the URL. |
| 00:58.14 | jim | peterS: having said that, building alsa for the 2.4.x series was drop dead simple, and worked every time for me |
| 00:58.16 | bier_ | anybody knows about a system-wide equalizer? like the xmms equalizer, but system-wide... |
| 00:58.19 | CptS | peterS: on alsa's web site they recommend using snd-nm256, but they also said that sb16 will work (with choppy sound) |
| 00:58.51 | peterS | CptS: yeah, well, I don't have the hardware, so I only know what I read. you can try sb16. or you can try 'modprobe snd-nm256 force_ac97=1' |
| 00:59.09 | abrotman | Laibsch: all make sense? |
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| 00:59.23 | abrotman | Laibsch: i suspect it wont' go in until the gcc thing is finished |
| 00:59.37 | jim | bier_: you might look into jack audio connection kit, and make sure all your audio apps are jack-aware... then arrange that your output is preceeded by one of the ladspa eq modules |
| 00:59.41 | Laibsch | abrotman: yes, studying it right now. Looks there is still a LOT of work to do. |
| 00:59.43 | CptS | peterS: if it will work, will i need to do that every time i restart or will it be fixed? |
| 00:59.54 | peterS | abrotman: xorg-x11 is pretty much independent of C++. so it might go in anyway. |
| 01:00.03 | abrotman | Laibsch: if you're really interested .. you could read debian-devel mailing list |
| 01:00.06 | Laibsch | abrotman: I thought the gcc switch was all peachy? |
| 01:00.06 | peterS | CptS: once you have it working, we'll get you set up so it'll happen every time you boot. |
| 01:00.09 | jim | then arrange that the input to the equalizer be considered your system-wide output |
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| 01:00.24 | abrotman | peterS: yes .. but not everything else is .. what will you run on your new xorg? :) |
| 01:00.32 | peterS | abrotman: xterm |
| 01:00.33 | abrotman | peterS: though you're right .. why would that stop it |
| 01:00.35 | abrotman | peterS: hehe |
| 01:00.38 | jim | but that could be a lot of work |
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| 01:00.43 | Laibsch | abrotman: I think the URL answers my question and will keep me updated on when things to expect and not to expect |
| 01:00.43 | CptS | peterS: i think it crashed my box.. (force_ac97) |
| 01:00.45 | abrotman | Laibsch: afaik it's not done yet |
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| 01:00.54 | bier_ | jim: hm.. thx for the tipp - but i don't like jack... maybe i'll use a hardware-equalizer then... |
| 01:00.58 | peterS | CptS: oh dear. I guess that's why it's an explicit switch, rather than something it always tries automatically |
| 01:01.02 | abrotman | Laibsch: and that url also mentions libc6 is still frozen in etch for some stupid reason |
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| 01:01.32 | jim | bier_: what's wrong with jack? |
| 01:01.36 | CptS | peterS: brb, gonna restart my linux computer. :) |
| 01:01.49 | bier_ | jim: don't know - i just don't like it ;) |
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| 01:01.58 | abrotman | !why is libc6 not in testing |
| 01:01.59 | dpkg | libc6 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libc6 |
| 01:02.02 | Code_X | Hi! |
| 01:02.08 | jim | you gotta admit, there's a lot of potential there |
| 01:02.10 | Code_X | i have some problem with my X |
| 01:02.19 | jim | !sicco |
| 01:02.20 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 01:02.22 | abrotman | god damn it .. unfreeze it! |
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| 01:02.23 | Code_X | but can`t configure with xf86config |
| 01:02.42 | Code_X | is there other way to do it? |
| 01:02.48 | nono31 | I'm trying to burn a cd with nautilus-cd-burner and even if I put a cd in the drive, it always says: "Please put a rewritable or blank disc, with at least"... someone knows how to fix this? |
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| 01:03.20 | jim | sure, you could create a configuration file yourself using a text editor |
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| 01:03.50 | peterS | Code_X: usual thing is 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' or 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
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| 01:04.19 | abrotman | peterS: why is libc6 still frozen? |
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| 01:04.23 | jim | hmmm, abrotman: etch has no glibc package?? |
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| 01:04.30 | peterS | abrotman: what do I look like, a release manager? |
| 01:04.30 | abrotman | jim: libc6 |
| 01:04.34 | peterS | abrotman: heh, seriously, I don't know why |
| 01:04.42 | jim | doesn't have that either? |
| 01:04.43 | abrotman | peterS: kind of .. can you squint a little? |
| 01:04.51 | abrotman | peterS: dye your hair maybe |
| 01:04.56 | dvs | Eck Gad! |
| 01:05.00 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. put your thump up your ass :) |
| 01:05.07 | abrotman | thumb! |
| 01:05.19 | jim | thumper! |
| 01:05.27 | peterS | abrotman: I had silver hair a few days ago. using a grinder to take a lot of material off a concrete wall. dust *everywhere*. |
| 01:05.45 | abrotman | and vorlon isn't here either |
| 01:06.20 | peterS | I don't think I'll be confused for vorlon any time soon |
| 01:06.25 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:06.32 | nono31 | noone use burn:/// (nautilus-cd-burner) ? |
| 01:06.58 | jim | I use cdrecord |
| 01:07.30 | js_ | nono31: ive done a couple of times |
| 01:07.45 | jim | might as well learn it.. it could get the job done or tell you why it can't |
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| 01:08.30 | Neffer | Wow days spent trying to get a SanDisk wireless card working and it took 10 minutes to get this Cisco wireless NIC working... MAn what an education (stick with name brand PCMCIA nick :-) |
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| 01:08.45 | vinay | so .. in cups .. when you do "configure printer" from the http thing and it shows you a list of options like paper size, dpi, etc... where does that come from? is that something stored in the ppd things? ... |
| 01:08.53 | CptSdeb | peterS, still here? |
| 01:08.53 | dvs | Neffer: Not necessarily. |
| 01:08.59 | peterS | CptSdeb: quite |
| 01:09.02 | jim | Neffer: a little research goes a long way :) |
| 01:09.10 | nono31 | js_: I can't burn cd and I don't know why... it ask to insert a disk... but there is already a disc... :-( |
| 01:09.21 | abrotman | Neffer: sandisk is a brand name |
| 01:09.23 | dvs | vinay: From the papersize package I think |
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| 01:09.29 | cafuego | When is Xorg gunna be in Sid? |
| 01:09.35 | abrotman | !irritate cafuego |
| 01:09.36 | dpkg | cafuego: hi every1 who uses sound ???/ |
| 01:09.39 | dabaR | cafuego: !! |
| 01:09.43 | Neffer | dvs: I know - it's all about the chip but believe me after fightigwith a CF card and an unsupported version of a Linksys (realtek chip ) I will chcek compatibility FIRST! |
| 01:09.44 | dabaR | please, come to #ubuntu |
| 01:09.46 | CptSdeb | peterS, ok, i've booted the box, now when it starts up.. it tries to load both snd-nm256 and all the rest we tried.. |
| 01:09.53 | cafuego | Sorry, just remisiscing about the good old days ;-) |
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| 01:10.06 | abrotman | cafuego: why is libc6 frozen in testing? |
| 01:10.20 | peterS | CptSdeb: did you try running alsaconf? if so, that's probably causing the module loads |
| 01:10.22 | cafuego | abrotman: it's WINTER where daniel stone lives. |
| 01:10.33 | abrotman | cafuego: is it his call or vorlons ? |
| 01:10.51 | jim | Neffer: oh, that... you -always- should check compatibility -before- buying hardware... or maybe even take it as a freebie :) |
| 01:10.51 | cafuego | abrotman: It's his version tag on the package... |
| 01:10.51 | CptSdeb | peterS, no, didnt try it. |
| 01:10.56 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:10.59 | Neffer | OK Now to test if this old laptop works for my bedroom (ok folks dont try to imagine me typing in my boxers ! not a nice thing to do! |
| 01:10.59 | abrotman | bastard! |
| 01:11.00 | peterS | CptSdeb: just as well. it's not that great of a utility |
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| 01:11.28 | jim | Neffer: as you know because you just found out, even a free card can cost you in time |
| 01:11.28 | peterS | abrotman: daniels isn't on #debian, so. |
| 01:11.33 | abrotman | peterS: i know |
| 01:11.41 | abrotman | peterS: why would anyone come in here :) |
| 01:11.42 | peterS | abrotman: gravity is, he's the one actually doing xorg packaging in debian |
| 01:11.55 | CptSdeb | peterS, so, any insights on what i should do next? |
| 01:11.58 | abrotman | peterS: that doesn't help libc6 :) |
| 01:12.10 | abrotman | gravity: when will xfree4.5 be in sid ? |
| 01:12.21 | peterS | ha |
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| 01:12.29 | jim | what exactly is the problem with libc6? |
| 01:12.33 | peterS | abrotman: oh for libc6 that'll be gotom, who also isn't in #d |
| 01:12.40 | abrotman | jim: it's frozen in testing/etch |
| 01:12.55 | Neffer | jim: wwell i bought the Sandisk on a fire sale, its CF form with a PCMCIA adapter - works fine in Win:-( Has support in Linux but neds compiled stuff, I've never gotten anythign to compile on this box! I tried a Linksys form a friend that was a supported card but teh version I had was really a realtek chip - not supported ! I treide for 2 days to get linux-wlan-ng to work no dice |
| 01:13.01 | jim | frozen? you mean testing is frozen now? |
| 01:13.03 | abrotman | jim: holds up things i supppse eh? :) |
| 01:13.07 | abrotman | jim: not now .. still |
| 01:13.21 | abrotman | jim: but apparently just libc6 :) |
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| 01:13.30 | jim | since when? before sarge release? |
| 01:13.43 | abrotman | !why is libc6 not in testing |
| 01:13.44 | dpkg | libc6 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libc6 |
| 01:13.48 | Neffer | So A cisco older card (pcmcia only on this old brick laptop) and it works with airo_cs driver great... |
| 01:14.01 | jim | stay away from the net for a day, and come back to find everything is ALL fuked up! :P |
| 01:14.03 | abrotman | wait |
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| 01:14.14 | abrotman | oh .. it says glibc is frozen .. whatever .. |
| 01:14.43 | jim | glibc is the source from which libc6 is built, right? |
| 01:14.56 | abrotman | so it seems to say |
| 01:15.13 | Laibsch | I was just about to upgrade apache to version 2.x I am amazed that apache and apache2 do not conflict. I guess that is OK? Is there info on how to smooth the migration? I wasn't able to locate it via the normal means. |
| 01:15.17 | peterS | yes. to verify: apt-cache show libc6 | grep Source |
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| 01:15.38 | CptSdeb | anyone? any ideas about my sound problems? :( |
| 01:16.03 | peterS | CptSdeb: hmmm, so what modules are loaded now? I mean the ones that start with snd- or snd_ or nm256_audio itself? |
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| 01:16.07 | jim | so we don't have the glibc/libc5 situation of a widely divergent lib used just for linux |
| 01:16.09 | peterS | CptSdeb: 'lsmod' will tell |
| 01:16.34 | peterS | jim: glibc is in theory useful for OSes besides linux, but in practice it's only used on linux and the hurd |
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| 01:16.50 | jim | yes, I can see that |
| 01:16.51 | abrotman | peterS: get real .. noone uses hurd :) |
| 01:17.02 | peterS | ok, "in practice" it's only used on linux (: |
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| 01:17.32 | CptSdeb | peterS, snd-pcm-oss snd-pcm snd-timer snd-mixer-oss snd-page-alloc. |
| 01:17.44 | jim | also glibc and the gnu c++ standard lib have stuff in common (for example such that the c++ iostream has a glibc FILE* that it talks to |
| 01:17.46 | jim | ) |
| 01:18.01 | peterS | CptSdeb: ok so nothing specific to a sound chip |
| 01:18.11 | peterS | CptSdeb: try modprobe snd-sb16 |
| 01:18.18 | jim | !jim |
| 01:18.18 | dpkg | you are, like, jim |
| 01:18.21 | CptSdeb | peterS, maybe i should try the alsaconf first? |
| 01:18.23 | jim | I am too! |
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| 01:18.44 | peterS | CptSdeb: it'll just arrange for which modules to load. you can try it but if it says ok let's load snd-nm256 it won't help much |
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| 01:19.04 | Boukensya-1 | hey guys. I have a client that has a debian server that had some domains on it that have now expired. They want me to remove them off now. Where would they be? |
| 01:19.04 | jim | abrotman, so why did you think that? |
| 01:19.25 | TraceGreen | Hello, I want to make a dir in windows(fat32), also this dir is hidden, Anyone know how to do it in linux? |
| 01:19.29 | peterS | Boukensya-1: you mean web server domains? configured in /etc/apache/httpd.conf most likely |
| 01:19.38 | CptSdeb | peterS, it found 3 cards on my system, first and second are neomagic and third is some legacy... i guess pc-speaker. |
| 01:19.42 | peterS | Boukensya-1: the actual data is probably in /var/www or /home somewhere, but that's admin-specific |
| 01:19.49 | abrotman | jim: because you never talk about stuff :) |
| 01:19.58 | gravity | abrotman: :-p |
| 01:20.01 | peterS | CptSdeb: pc-speaker probably won't show up, so I dunno what the third would be |
| 01:20.12 | abrotman | jim: normally you just bitch about Damnit Jim It's YOU |
| 01:20.13 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:20.27 | abrotman | gravity: do you know why libc6/glibc is still frozen in etch ? |
| 01:20.38 | gravity | abrotman: Because it's broken |
| 01:20.47 | abrotman | gravity: what is? sid's libc ? |
| 01:20.52 | gravity | Yes |
| 01:20.58 | nemo | cafuego: hiya! |
| 01:20.59 | gravity | Or gcc, not sure where the bug actually lies |
| 01:21.01 | Boukensya-1 | cool thats probably all I need. So to unlink it I just need to change the httpd.conf? or do I have to do something iv /var/www or in home somewhere as well? |
| 01:21.17 | jim | abrotman: that's because u do dat, and I'm usually talking somewhere else and seeing "oh, someone on debian is calling me" only to find it's not so :P |
| 01:21.23 | abrotman | gravity: i blame robotfindskitten .. always a troublesome package |
| 01:21.30 | gravity | heh |
| 01:21.31 | peterS | Boukensya-1: change the httpd.conf and the web server will no longer *know* about that content. it won't actually free up your disk space |
| 01:21.33 | abrotman | jim: oh ok |
| 01:21.34 | CptSdeb | peterS, before i resort to sb16, how do i unload all un-needed drivers that we've put in till now? |
| 01:21.47 | dvs | CptS: modprobe -r |
| 01:21.50 | peterS | CptSdeb: they're not loaded. they failed to load. snd-sb16 will use those other snd-* modules you mentioned, I think |
| 01:21.54 | cafuego | nemo: !!!!! |
| 01:22.04 | nemo | gafeuco! |
| 01:22.17 | dvs | bedufuco |
| 01:22.21 | dan2_ | abrotman: hey |
| 01:22.22 | cafuego | nemo: The Island is a minimum 10-jeff movie :-) |
| 01:22.24 | jim | I have an actual life yaknow... and xchat is starting to either be better or suck worse, I havent' decided which yet |
| 01:22.24 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:22.32 | abrotman | cafuego: !!!!!!! |
| 01:22.50 | peterS | oooh, he sees the !!!!! and raises !! |
| 01:22.52 | nemo | cafuego: minimum 10? hmm... I was reminded of jeff's only a few days ago and thought about reviving it |
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| 01:22.59 | jim | iiiiiiiiiii |
| 01:23.05 | CptSdeb | peterS, the third option was to probe the legacy isa cards.. i'm trying that and then installing the sb16 if it won't work. |
| 01:23.11 | cafuego | nemo: *grin* |
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| 01:23.22 | nemo | cafuego: curse you and your meme placement |
| 01:23.24 | cafuego | nemo: CatS noticed two together in the credits and started counting |
| 01:23.28 | abrotman | jim: stop being so self-indulgent |
| 01:23.30 | nemo | *heh* |
| 01:23.38 | peterS | CptSdeb: shrug - I don't have any direct experience with alsaconf. I didn't need it, I just loaded the modules I knew I needed. I'm not sure how alsaconf does its thing |
| 01:23.38 | Boukensya-1 | peterS, great thanks that is all I need to do I think cheers (: |
| 01:23.57 | jim | I thought you were talking about yourself while upside down... |
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| 01:24.04 | peterS | Boukensya-1: have fun. note that the directory locations for your websites will be listed in httpd.conf, so you'll know where to find them to blow them away |
| 01:24.12 | abrotman | jim: like i could irc while standing on my head |
| 01:24.19 | peterS | jim: ¡¡¡¡¡ |
| 01:24.40 | jim | so I was helping you by turning them so you could see em! |
| 01:24.40 | nemo | cafuego: I'll see about doing a site for dzef sometime later, maybe,. :) |
| 01:25.06 | cafuego | nemo: Dzef must live! |
| 01:25.17 | jim | peterS, |
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| 01:25.34 | nemo | cafuego: so must many things... |
| 01:26.07 | cafuego | nemo: like, say, yellow socks. |
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| 01:26.20 | dan2_ | ~test |
| 01:26.20 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 01:26.29 | Boukensya-1 | peterS, one more quick question, all I would do is comment it out right? |
| 01:26.32 | jim | s!yf peaj p7no) noh peay jnoh uo 6u!puefs ajam noh j! |
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| 01:26.43 | Boukensya-1 | then restart the service |
| 01:26.49 | robink | What config file tells Gentoo to load certain modules on startup? |
| 01:26.53 | abrotman | ops jim is typing garbage |
| 01:26.59 | robink | I think I may have clobbered it with dispatch-conf |
| 01:27.00 | nemo | cafuego: except maybe that |
| 01:27.03 | gravity | robink: #gentoo |
| 01:27.10 | nemo | cafuego: yellow socks only exist in MY universe |
| 01:27.11 | robink | d'oh |
| 01:27.13 | robink | My bad |
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| 01:27.17 | peterS | Boukensya-1: that'll work |
| 01:27.20 | jim | abrotman: stand on your head and you can then read it! |
| 01:27.24 | abrotman | how do you misspell gentoo as debian ? |
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| 01:27.36 | dvs | Very easily I see |
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| 01:27.45 | gravity | Don't make me take a cheap shot at gentoo to answer that... please |
| 01:27.45 | shingouz | jim: why not just tip the monitor over? |
| 01:27.47 | one2 | what cards are based on the prism world chipset? |
| 01:27.55 | cafuego | nemo: I have a clothers line (full) that insists otherwise ;-) |
| 01:27.56 | dan2_ | ~test |
| 01:27.56 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 01:28.00 | dan2_ | !test |
| 01:28.00 | dpkg | Yes, dan2_, you're still online. |
| 01:28.07 | dan2_ | arg |
| 01:28.12 | dan2_ | ctrlproxy is acting up |
| 01:28.15 | jim | shingouz, could drop it on your foot (or your head if you're standing on it...) |
| 01:28.16 | abrotman | gravity: oh please do :) |
| 01:28.17 | nemo | cafuego: then you are existant in my universe. QED. |
| 01:28.23 | Code_X | guys |
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| 01:28.30 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 01:28.30 | Code_X | Apache is Free? |
| 01:28.31 | shingouz | jim: that would hurt. you mostly ;) |
| 01:28.34 | abrotman | dan2: the bots love you |
| 01:28.35 | peterS | Code_X: quite |
| 01:28.41 | jim | but you shouldn't stand on your head... you should stand on the floor |
| 01:28.44 | Code_X | quite? |
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| 01:28.49 | peterS | quite. |
| 01:28.51 | gravity | Code_X: Yes |
| 01:28.55 | lonewolff | hey, does anyone know why when i install the debian package of phpmyadmin and try to log in i get an error accesses denied for user www-data? |
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| 01:29.00 | lonewolff | im not trying to log in as that user |
| 01:29.01 | johey | hi! long time, no debian for me.. but now i've started the old box and dist-upgraded it. now to the funny part, that is where the problems begin: |
| 01:29.03 | Code_X | what do you mean? |
| 01:29.06 | abrotman | jim: no you can't |
| 01:29.07 | shingouz | jim: are you sure you have had enoug sugar and caffeine today? |
| 01:29.11 | gravity | Code_X: It is Free |
| 01:29.15 | johey | i have an nvidia card and the dist-upgrade recommended me to switch to xorg instead of xfree86, and so i did. i've made a new kernel, 2.6.11 and installed the nvidia drivers from apt-get. |
| 01:29.25 | Code_X | translation of quite? |
| 01:29.27 | Code_X | == |
| 01:29.29 | jim | heh, just got done with a rocket fuel injection courtesy of peets.com |
| 01:29.29 | johey | now, the nvidia module loads fine, but... Xorg -configure tells me "missing output drivers. configuration failed" |
| 01:29.36 | shingouz | jim: w00t |
| 01:29.38 | johey | /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows no errors |
| 01:29.39 | SerajewelKS | johey, xorg is in unstable |
| 01:29.56 | peterS | SerajewelKS: he knows, I'm sure |
| 01:30.02 | peterS | since he installed it |
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| 01:30.14 | dvs | SerajewelKS: He's in a pickle and wants us to bail him out |
| 01:30.21 | abrotman | dan2: your mask is gone |
| 01:30.33 | johey | SerajewelKS: is it? i have been using xorg on my laptop with gentoo in one year .. |
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| 01:31.13 | dan2_ | abrotman: no its not |
| 01:31.23 | abrotman | --> dan2 (i=dan@pool-68-238-242-227.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) has |
| 01:31.29 | dan2_ | abrotman: check again |
| 01:31.31 | abrotman | dan2_: you have fios! |
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| 01:31.41 | dan2_ | abrotman: ya, I was the first in my town |
| 01:31.44 | abrotman | dan2_: who did you have to blow to get that? :) |
| 01:32.04 | dan2_ | abrotman: called verizon once a week every week for months |
| 01:32.05 | dan2_ | ;) |
| 01:32.05 | dvs | What the hell is "fios"? |
| 01:32.06 | jim | johey: you are probably misunderstanding what they mean by "in unstable" |
| 01:32.09 | abrotman | !fios |
| 01:32.10 | dan2_ | dvs: fiber |
| 01:32.13 | dvs | shit! |
| 01:32.16 | johey | well okay, i want to try xfree86 again. how do i switch back to that, now when xorg has been installed? is it only to apt-get install xfree86? |
| 01:32.20 | abrotman | dvs: verizon superfast cheap ISP |
| 01:32.36 | abrotman | dvs: http://www22.verizon.com/FiosForHome/channels/Fios/HighSpeedInternetForHome.asp |
| 01:32.37 | shingouz | dan2_: how fast is the fiber if i may ask? |
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| 01:32.44 | dan2_ | 15mbit / 2 mbit |
| 01:32.53 | abrotman | shingouz: try the url! |
| 01:32.55 | shingouz | dan2_: not too shabby at all |
| 01:32.58 | c_olin_ | I just apt-get enlightenment, how do I start up in enlightenment? |
| 01:33.01 | shingouz | yea, i noticed too late |
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| 01:33.32 | SerajewelKS | johey, gentoo is not debian |
| 01:33.33 | abrotman | shingouz: if you want to be really amazed .. ask how much it costs :) |
| 01:33.40 | jim | c_olin_: look in the dir /usr/share/doc/<nameOfPackageYouInstalled> |
| 01:33.58 | c_olin_ | ok |
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| 01:34.10 | johey | jim: well, my whole debian system is defined as unstable, but i have ran it in several years without any problems. so, i have probably a strange picture of the meaning of unstable :) |
| 01:34.25 | johey | SerajewelKS: no, but xorg is xorg, if i have understood correctly |
| 01:34.41 | kofj | I can only use root to get into x.org , a normal account can't get into x.org,and their Xorg's log file were same! |
| 01:34.46 | SerajewelKS | johey, yes, and xorg is in unstable... |
| 01:34.50 | jim | johey: and they work hard to keep it that way... but there are times when things fick ip |
| 01:34.55 | johey | SerajewelKS: oki :) |
| 01:35.18 | abrotman | shingouz: do you see how much it costs ? |
| 01:35.28 | shingouz | abrotman: i do not want to do that, i have an 8M/1M adsl here and it is ..hrrrmmphh.. not too cheap |
| 01:35.35 | shingouz | abrotman: yes i did. scary |
| 01:35.36 | abrotman | shingouz: you don't want it ? |
| 01:35.39 | liable | once you learn the menu a bit, its actually quite easy to find :) |
| 01:35.48 | shingouz | abrotman: sure if they have long enough fibers |
| 01:35.57 | abrotman | shingouz: you should know that comcast charges $45/month for 5Mb/256k or something like that |
| 01:36.14 | abrotman | well 5Mb in this area .. not 5 in all areas they serve |
| 01:36.19 | shingouz | abrotman: i'm in .fi... :( |
| 01:36.26 | jim | johey: but put another way... unstable can at any time it is or "wants" to, be so unstable it formats your hard drive for you periodically at random intervals, sends spam to your local police dept, falls on your cat and makes your dog pregnant and can stay that way for years |
| 01:36.27 | abrotman | shingouz: in .fios ? |
| 01:36.38 | abrotman | !broken |
| 01:36.39 | dpkg | [broken] mailto:nothing@machine.cx -> http://machine.cx/debian/ or screen shots are at http://nivda.machine.cx or that's sid for you. |
| 01:36.47 | shingouz | abrotman: you wish ;) |
| 01:36.51 | johey | do i need to replace other packages than xserver-xorg to xserver-xfree86 when switching back to the good old xfree86? |
| 01:36.53 | c_olin_ | I just apt-get enlightenment, how do I start up in enlightenment? I checked /usr/share/doc/enlightenment and it has nothing that helps |
| 01:36.55 | abrotman | uhm .. no |
| 01:37.00 | abrotman | shingouz: i do? |
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| 01:37.18 | kofj | does someone meet with the question that a root can login x but a normal account can't ?? |
| 01:37.21 | abrotman | !break |
| 01:37.21 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
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| 01:37.23 | abrotman | that's what i meant |
| 01:37.36 | abrotman | kofj: what? |
| 01:37.38 | shingouz | abrotman: i think i am getting too tired because i am not really able to outweird you at the moment. i am in finland :( |
| 01:37.40 | jim | johey: for example, right now there is an issue with glibc (which produces libc6) in etch |
| 01:37.50 | abrotman | shingouz: .fios ? |
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| 01:38.04 | shingouz | abrotman: without the os |
| 01:38.05 | abrotman | shingouz: and i can be .. out-weirded ? |
| 01:38.11 | kofj | abrotman, I can use root to get into x.org but a normal account can't get into x.org |
| 01:38.11 | abrotman | shingouz: you jest? |
| 01:38.12 | dvs | abrotman: Finland is run by an OS? ;-) |
| 01:38.13 | shingouz | abrotman: it has happened |
| 01:38.20 | abrotman | kofj: errors are helpful |
| 01:38.28 | shingouz | dvs: no, it is run by a cabal |
| 01:38.32 | jim | I'm not sure it is right now, but that could make the entirety of testing uninstallable until it's fixed |
| 01:38.33 | abrotman | dvs: Other Significant ? |
| 01:38.43 | dvs | Oh. Ok. Just checking |
| 01:38.43 | kofj | abrotman, I have checked the two log files ,they are just the same! |
| 01:38.52 | abrotman | kofj: there's no error ? |
| 01:38.56 | kofj | abrotman, yes |
| 01:39.06 | abrotman | kofj: what is your native language ? |
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| 01:39.14 | kofj | abrotman, zh_cn |
| 01:39.18 | abrotman | chinese? |
| 01:39.26 | johey | jim: geehz.. compared to that fact, i have very good experience of software that is classified as unstable :) |
| 01:39.26 | kofj | abrotman, right |
| 01:39.29 | abrotman | canadian? |
| 01:39.39 | kofj | abrotman, I use chinese |
| 01:39.40 | abrotman | canadian chinese? |
| 01:39.44 | dvs | kofj: cantonese? |
| 01:39.59 | kofj | dvs, just simplified chinese |
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| 01:40.20 | abrotman | kofj: did xfree work before ? |
| 01:40.23 | jim | johey: yes, and that's primarily because they work HARD |
| 01:40.23 | furrywolf_ | god damnit! bought a new motherboard on ebay, and it has a nice, deep, trace-cutting scratch on it. |
| 01:40.30 | kofj | abrotman, yes ,very well |
| 01:40.33 | Hyper | i have a wireless network here at home, i use usb wireless adapters how can i get this working in linux? |
| 01:40.48 | abrotman | furrywolf_: send it back ? |
| 01:40.49 | kofj | abrotman, just after I run apt-get install xserver-xorg |
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| 01:41.09 | jim | Hyper: do research to find a wireless adapter that will work in linux on your network |
| 01:41.09 | abrotman | kofj: uhm .. apt-get install x-window-system .. or something like that |
| 01:41.10 | abrotman | !xorg |
| 01:41.10 | dpkg | from memory, xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
| 01:41.30 | kofj | abrotman, my root account can log into x-window |
| 01:41.34 | one2 | i want most range a/b/g/h/i best wireless cards? |
| 01:41.37 | jim | Hyper: then see if anything you have is usable. if not, buy hardware that is compatible/ |
| 01:41.40 | dvs | ha! |
| 01:41.45 | dvs | h? i? |
| 01:41.46 | abrotman | kofj: there are no errors anywhere ? |
| 01:42.19 | kofj | abrotman, yes ,I am sure ,the normal account's log file was the same as the root account's |
| 01:42.30 | abrotman | kofj: i meant the Xorg logs |
| 01:42.42 | shingouz | one2: i think you need to get multiple cards then if you want all those things |
| 01:42.52 | jim | three4 |
| 01:43.03 | furrywolf_ | http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/scratch.jpg |
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| 01:43.07 | kofj | abrotman, log files in /var/log/ |
| 01:43.27 | kofj | abrotman, they are exactly the same... |
| 01:43.35 | jim | damn |
| 01:43.40 | one2 | prism world read about it |
| 01:43.43 | jim | tha's one hell of a scratch |
| 01:43.54 | one2 | shingouz |
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| 01:44.15 | abrotman | furrywolf_: i don't think that's a scratch |
| 01:44.25 | kofj | abrotman,when a normal account log into x ,there is only a mouse point like "x" on the screen |
| 01:44.28 | abrotman | furrywolf_: i think that qualifies as a gouge :) |
| 01:44.41 | furrywolf_ | heh |
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| 01:44.46 | furrywolf_ | I'm sending the seller an email now. |
| 01:44.47 | abrotman | kofj: the permissions on /tmp are ok ? |
| 01:44.47 | shingouz | one2: if it does not support rfmon i have no use for it. i will read up on it though |
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| 01:45.09 | kofj | abrotman, 777 |
| 01:45.36 | abrotman | kofj: no .. it's not 777 |
| 01:45.38 | SpinX | looks like you tried to solder it. |
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| 01:45.44 | jim | no, it should be something like 1777 |
| 01:45.55 | jim | rwxrwxrwt |
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| 01:45.59 | johey | okay, i guess you were right when telling me xorg is unstable. now i have switched back to xfree86 with successful result. thanks! |
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| 01:46.17 | kofj | abrotman, I'm sorry ,I made a mistake, It's d-wx-wx-wt |
| 01:46.17 | Hyper | anyone here setup a netgear wg111 wireless usb lan adapter? whats involved? |
| 01:46.19 | furrywolf_ | he has good feedback and a no-doa warranty, so hopefully he'll just ship a replacement. |
| 01:46.32 | abrotman | kofj: well . that's DEFINITATLELYEY WRONG |
| 01:46.39 | MattGideon | I am moving to sarge and xdm is not starting automatically. Any idea why? |
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| 01:47.01 | kofj | abrotman, run chmod 1777 /tmp ? |
| 01:47.07 | jim | Hyper: have you checked the hardware compatibility list and found that a netgear wg111 wireless usb lan adapter is supported by linux? |
| 01:47.22 | Hyper | ahh now here would i go to see thaT? |
| 01:47.26 | Hyper | the manufacture site? |
| 01:47.29 | abrotman | drwxrwxrwt 10 root root 4096 2005-08-15 18:58 tmp |
| 01:47.38 | abrotman | make it match that .. or something |
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| 01:47.48 | SerajewelKS | kofj, chmod a+r /tmp |
| 01:48.01 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: no .. it needs to be sticky or whatever |
| 01:48.05 | jim | Hyper: you were asked earlier to perform some research to determine (a) compatible devices and (b) whether you now own compatible devices |
| 01:48.08 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, it already is |
| 01:48.09 | kofj | SerajewelKS, thanks a lots ,also for abrotman :) |
| 01:48.13 | dvs | abrotman: That just adds read perms |
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| 01:48.22 | Hyper | oo i was |
| 01:48.23 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: oh . missed it .. you're right |
| 01:48.27 | Hyper | shit i musta missed it :/ |
| 01:48.28 | abrotman | dvs: i know what it does |
| 01:48.46 | Hyper | oo |
| 01:48.55 | kofj | abrotman, I will have a try ,thanks for your help |
| 01:48.56 | Hyper | yes it will but many forums are saying i need to use linxant |
| 01:48.57 | jim | some manufs are linux-friendly and some aren't |
| 01:48.57 | abrotman | where's the argument to ls to show in numeric format ? |
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| 01:49.03 | Hyper | or ndiswrapper |
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| 01:49.36 | shingouz | Hyper: in that case you do not want it |
| 01:49.37 | jim | so you have to use dos/win drivers |
| 01:49.50 | Hyper | linuxant or ndiswrapper which is better? |
| 01:49.57 | shingouz | Hyper: neither |
| 01:50.09 | Hyper | well im at my antys and she has broad band. we dont have ours as of yet just wanting to get this working temporary |
| 01:50.14 | jim | what's better are devices that don't need those |
| 01:50.14 | zinx | Hyper: supposedly the prism54 driver works with it |
| 01:50.15 | shingouz | Hyper: they just let you use the windows drivers and they suck |
| 01:50.17 | rob_lt | fscking gas hit $1.03/L Canadian today.... I never thought I would see a looney a litre |
| 01:50.28 | zinx | Hyper: but that may be wrong.. what does Linux list it as? |
| 01:50.43 | Hyper | it doesnt list it at all. you mean when i do lsusb ? |
| 01:50.52 | cafuego | rob_lt: Welcome to the real world. When it's $2 per litre you'll be paying normal rates. |
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| 01:51.14 | shingouz | rob_lt: 1.28 euros a liter in finland yesterday when i filled her up |
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| 01:51.24 | rob_lt | cafuego, it's funny, I saw to separate cars being pushed on my way home... I'm guessing they ran out of gas :) |
| 01:51.29 | rob_lt | s/to/two |
| 01:51.32 | jim | US is at $3/gal |
| 01:51.41 | dvs | jim: That's cheaper |
| 01:51.42 | zinx | Hyper: uh, it should list it in lsusb |
| 01:51.44 | cafuego | jim: Yes, offensive. |
| 01:51.49 | zinx | Hyper: it should also say it's unclaimed in dmesg |
| 01:51.49 | Hyper | it doesnt |
| 01:51.58 | zinx | Hyper: then you don't even have the USB bus drivers loaded, jeez |
| 01:52.07 | Hyper | i noticed that it doesnt give power to the usb device as the light does not light up |
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| 01:52.17 | Hyper | well im using a usb keyboard and mouse |
| 01:52.22 | peterS | yesterday I saw someone at a gas pump whinging about gas prices (US$2.49 / gallon, $0.66 / liter). she was driving an SUV. go figure. |
| 01:52.22 | abrotman | why doesn't ls have an argument to show file perms in numbers? |
| 01:52.23 | zinx | Hyper: then your port is buggered up |
| 01:52.25 | Hyper | i would have thought the usb bus drivers is loaded |
| 01:52.32 | Hyper | no its fine. ive tested that also |
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| 01:52.39 | Hyper | let me chk dmesg |
| 01:52.48 | jim | Hyper: which means part of your usb hardware and drivers are working |
| 01:52.53 | zinx | Hyper: if the kernel says nothing about it, it's one of two things... 1) faulty hardware, 2) usb drivers not loaded |
| 01:53.02 | abrotman | peterS: did you see the end bill ? |
| 01:53.03 | zinx | Hyper: you get to figure out which one it is |
| 01:53.12 | SerajewelKS | zinx, 3) the alignment of the moon |
| 01:53.19 | peterS | abrotman: nah. I was riding in a different car and didn't get out to check. |
| 01:53.21 | zinx | SerajewelKS: nah, that hasn't been the case for some time |
| 01:53.27 | Hyper | hardware is fine. but i dont have usb drivers for the wg111 |
| 01:53.47 | zinx | Hyper: then it's shown now? |
| 01:53.50 | Hyper | but shouldnt it still light up when the pc is turned on? or only when linux knows what the device is and how tio power it up |
| 01:53.58 | Hyper | nothing in dmesg |
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| 01:54.11 | SerajewelKS | Hyper, try connecting your mouse to the same port, and see if the mouse works in it |
| 01:54.13 | zinx | Hyper: nothing in dmesg, nothing in lsusb means, again, one of two things |
| 01:54.14 | jim | anything in /var/log/syslog |
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| 01:54.21 | Hyper | while the box is on? |
| 01:54.28 | Hyper | or require a reboot to change mouse usb port? |
| 01:54.32 | zinx | Hyper: 1) faulty hardware, 2) usb drivers not loaded (that means the drivers for your USB *BUS*, not the hardware itself) |
| 01:54.35 | SerajewelKS | Hyper, USB is hotpluggable... |
| 01:54.47 | Hyper | hotpluggable ? |
| 01:54.53 | SerajewelKS | sigh |
| 01:54.55 | shingouz | usb-uhci, usb-ehci- usb-ohci i think were the three differnt drivers for the usb hub, Hyper |
| 01:54.58 | jim | and ps/2 is not, right? |
| 01:54.59 | zinx | Hyper: be aware that there are two drivers, one for USB 1.1 devices and one for 2.0 devices; both must be loaded |
| 01:55.02 | peterS | SerajewelKS: not in HP-UX, you have to rescan the bus manually if you unplug / plug a keyboard or mouse |
| 01:55.19 | Hyper | ooo i see |
| 01:55.22 | SerajewelKS | peterS, is that what this guy is using? |
| 01:55.25 | zinx | Hyper: additionally, there are several different drivers for USB 1.1 devices |
| 01:55.28 | abrotman | peterS: it's not just hpux |
| 01:55.31 | Hyper | oo really? |
| 01:55.34 | zinx | Hyper: only one or two will work for you. |
| 01:55.36 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: brain not included |
| 01:55.38 | peterS | SerajewelKS: nah, just saying |
| 01:55.46 | Hyper | debian sarge , 2.6.8 btw if this helps at all |
| 01:55.54 | Hyper | ill just reboot with mouse in alternative usb port |
| 01:55.59 | SerajewelKS | how the heck can you have used USB and not know what "hotpluggable" means |
| 01:56.03 | zinx | Hyper: you shouldn't need to reboot |
| 01:56.06 | shingouz | Hyper: stop the rebooting, man |
| 01:56.12 | peterS | Hyper: right, what they're saying is, you need the ehci_hcd driver for USB 2.0 devices. and either uhci_hcd or ohci_hcd for USB 1.1 devices, depending on your motherboard |
| 01:56.17 | shingouz | Hyper: this is not windows |
| 01:56.30 | Hyper | i didnt reboot just changed it to the other one. it works fine |
| 01:56.45 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, last i checked, windows doesn't need to reboot for USB mouse port change either |
| 01:56.59 | Hyper | peterS: ahhhh |
| 01:57.01 | Hyper | thanks man :) |
| 01:57.03 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it does if you plug in the mouse ... |
| 01:57.03 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: you sure? it *is* doze after all :p |
| 01:57.06 | Hyper | how can i see which i already have? |
| 01:57.11 | johey | time to play .. see you! |
| 01:57.12 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: and it wasn't plugged in when started |
| 01:57.14 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, it does for PS/2 |
| 01:57.15 | abrotman | i think |
| 01:57.17 | zinx | Hyper: which modules? lsusb |
| 01:57.22 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, not for USB |
| 01:57.23 | zinx | Hyper: erh, lsmod |
| 01:57.26 | zinx | Hyper: haw ;) |
| 01:57.37 | Hyper | zinx: all that shows up is the ms optical mouse |
| 01:57.39 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, i've done it before... |
| 01:57.45 | zinx | Hyper: it should show some hubs too |
| 01:57.51 | zinx | Hyper: is it not even showing hubs? |
| 01:57.53 | Hyper | there are other bus 001 002 003 but nothing to describtive |
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| 01:58.03 | Hyper | no but i noticed when i booted debian |
| 01:58.07 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: the ps/2 specs do not state they should be hotpluggable, not all mobos support hotplug ps/2 |
| 01:58.08 | zinx | Hyper: anything else with numbers instead of 0000:0000? |
| 01:58.08 | Hyper | it said found usb hub |
| 01:58.12 | Hyper | or something |
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| 01:58.24 | Hyper | no also. the usb device is in this pc atm |
| 01:58.27 | Hyper | so i need to d/c |
| 01:58.28 | shingouz | Hyper: excellent. now try the usb dongle again |
| 01:58.29 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, that's what i said... |
| 01:58.30 | Hyper | ill be back shiortly |
| 01:58.33 | peterS | Hyper: all mice are USB 1.1, I believe. so if your mouse shows up that means your USB 1.1 driver, at least, is working |
| 01:58.40 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: i think i need some sleep |
| 01:58.41 | Hyper | ahh i get yah |
| 01:58.51 | zinx | peterS: nah, there are some 2.0 ones too now |
| 01:59.00 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, or a few cups of coffee |
| 01:59.03 | Hyper | ok guys ill be back shortly as i require the usb device on this pc to be plugged in |
| 01:59.07 | Hyper | back soon. and thanks |
| 01:59.11 | peterS | zinx: I can't imagine why. mouse data can't possibly push the limits of usb 1.1 |
| 01:59.25 | zinx | peterS: tell that to logitech |
| 01:59.33 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: umm.. no. that is cruel and unusual, i cannot drink coffee at all. any other caffeine solution is good though |
| 01:59.37 | metaperl | I need some help getting my wireless netgear card to work... when I bootup, I see "ttyS01 is a 16550a" which means it found the card. However, I dont know how to connect ttyS01 to ethX, X an integer |
| 01:59.50 | peterS | zinx: maybe it's a case like PCs that come with gigabit ethernet nowadays. the parts are so cheap they may as well, even though people don't need it |
| 01:59.50 | Hyper | metaperl: ahaha same here :) |
| 02:00.02 | zinx | peterS: it's possible |
| 02:00.11 | zinx | peterS: i think it may be only for latency though |
| 02:00.11 | Hyper | metaperl: your's usb or pci ? |
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| 02:00.20 | metaperl | pcmcia |
| 02:00.21 | zinx | peterS: (it's a "gamer"'s mouse) |
| 02:00.25 | Hyper | o |
| 02:00.28 | Hyper | nevermind |
| 02:00.31 | Hyper | bbs people |
| 02:00.36 | daffy-pkf | what does the /etc/rcS.d directory correspond to? on my lfs i have a rcsysinit.d, is it the same thing? |
| 02:00.39 | peterS | zinx: right, for non-gamers, mice from 2001 are still perfectly fine |
| 02:00.40 | shingouz | metaperl: /dev/ttyS01 is a *serial* port, not a nic |
| 02:00.46 | shingouz | geez... |
| 02:00.57 | metaperl | hmmm |
| 02:01.21 | peterS | daffy-pkf: rc5.d is a copy of rc2.d. you as an administrator are permitted to customise runlevels 2 through 5 to do whatever different things you want |
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| 02:01.42 | peterS | daffy-pkf: but debian ships with runlevels 2-5 all identical |
| 02:01.42 | shingouz | metaperl: usb thingie? |
| 02:01.50 | metaperl | shingouz: pcmcia |
| 02:02.04 | Draconicus | I ran GAIM to check on somebody's presence online. After that, everything went to hell. Parts of GNOME locked up, failed, and will not start again even after a reboot. I was forced to remove gnome-panel, and now it can't install again because it requires removal of everything else. Firefox won't start, so many things... all broken. It's a mess. |
| 02:02.10 | shingouz | metaperl: cardctl info (with the card inserted) |
| 02:02.23 | Draconicus | I rebooted out of desperation, to no avail |
| 02:02.29 | zinx | Draconicus: unstable? |
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| 02:02.47 | aqua | draconicus; haha |
| 02:02.49 | daffy-pkf | petemc> not rc5, rcS |
| 02:02.53 | aqua | and you gonna blame gaim ? |
| 02:02.55 | Draconicus | zinx: A little bit, yes. GNOME wasn't, though, and files tied to GNOME shouldn't be. |
| 02:02.57 | daffy-pkf | arf peterS i mean |
| 02:03.01 | zinx | Draconicus: i mean, sid? |
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| 02:03.16 | metaperl | shingouz: PODID_1=3com corp, ID_2=3c562d, id_3=Ehterlink III id_4 lan+modem pc card |
| 02:03.17 | zinx | Draconicus: or do you mean you're running a hybrid system |
| 02:03.21 | peterS | daffy-pkf: oh sorry, my font is suboptimal. rcS runs at boot time, before the regular runlevel |
| 02:03.30 | zinx | Draconicus: hybrid stable/unstable is even worse than plain unstable |
| 02:03.32 | Draconicus | Yeah, actually, I am. |
| 02:03.38 | shingouz | metaperl: excellent, that is a nice wired 3com then |
| 02:03.43 | zinx | Draconicus: you get to keep the pieces :) |
| 02:03.47 | Draconicus | stable/unstable? No... testing/unstable. |
| 02:03.57 | zinx | Draconicus: ah well, you still get to keep the pieces then :) |
| 02:04.02 | zinx | Draconicus: wait a while |
| 02:04.09 | metaperl | shingouz: no, a wired 3com is in the other pcmcia slot... i guess the net gear in the other slot (wireless) is not being recognized? |
| 02:04.18 | Draconicus | Yeah, and I still get to murder the fucker that told me to put unstable in my sources list so long ago. |
| 02:04.19 | zinx | Draconicus: testing/unstable are going through the Great C++ Migration to g++ 4.0 |
| 02:04.30 | shingouz | Draconicus: check your sources.list, if it says "unstable" instead of "testing" you have just experienced Sid |
| 02:04.34 | Draconicus | I'm considering just moving to Simply Mepis. Anyone here have input on that? |
| 02:04.48 | shingouz | metaperl: looks like it |
| 02:04.54 | shingouz | Draconicus: yes. #mepis |
| 02:04.55 | abrotman | shingouz: i had cheese for lunch today |
| 02:05.01 | daffy-pkf | peterS> ok, so it should be the same as the rcsysinit.d on lfs right? |
| 02:05.02 | metaperl | oh well, I will buy a wireless bridge then |
| 02:05.11 | peterS | daffy-pkf: I know nothing about lfs. you tell me. |
| 02:05.12 | X-rulez | zinx, thanks for the info on testing/unstable I was just about to ask how to try them out :) But now no way hehe |
| 02:05.15 | Draconicus | shingouz: I know what I have. I NOW have unstable at a lower priority to testing, since the thing was already split to hell, I didn't see reason to remove sources for unstable for now. |
| 02:05.18 | peterS | daffy-pkf: this sounds similar |
| 02:05.32 | greg_work | i keep getting a whole bunch of processes as /USR/BIN/CRON, spawned by crontab .. but i have no idea what they are. my load shoots way up when they're running |
| 02:05.37 | shingouz | metaperl: get something that is actually supported, i am not sure if the nic you have is supported by the kernel in the first place |
| 02:05.40 | greg_work | how do i figure out what they are? |
| 02:05.52 | daffy-pkf | peterS> thanks |
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| 02:06.22 | peterS | greg_work: the various crontabs that run are user-specific ones, root's specific one, /etc/cron.d/*, and /etc/crontab, which spawns /etc/cron.daily and friends |
| 02:06.38 | metaperl | shingouz: such as... what card? belkin? linksys? |
| 02:06.54 | peterS | greg_work: the user-specific ones (including root's) are in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
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| 02:07.50 | shingouz | metaperl: belkin and linksys makes a lot of different cards. see what the is available and google them before buying. anything with a prism2 chipset is definitely supported as are orinocos |
| 02:07.51 | zinx | X-rulez: good decision ;) |
| 02:07.58 | peterS | greg_work: the cron jobs installed automatically for you by packages will be in /etc/cron.d or other /etc/cron.* |
| 02:08.16 | Hyper | lsusb says: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0846:4240 NetGear Inc and dmesg says: usb 1-1: new full speed usb device using adress5 |
| 02:08.22 | greg_work | petemc: forgot to look in cron.d .. theres one that runs every 10 minutes from a program that's not installed anymore, that might be it |
| 02:08.23 | greg_work | thanks |
| 02:08.29 | Boukensya-1 | peterS, it isn't the webpage I have to remove, its the dns records of some domains |
| 02:08.43 | Boukensya-1 | where would that be? |
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| 02:08.50 | shingouz | Hyper: now you just have to figure out what driver you need for the nic then |
| 02:08.50 | peterS | Boukensya-1: aha. see /etc/bind/named.conf or named.conf.local |
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| 02:09.21 | peterS | Boukensya-1: the individual zone files normally live in /etc/bind/ as well and will be referenced from named.conf |
| 02:09.40 | Boukensya-1 | so I just delete the relavent ones in the named.conf file? |
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| 02:09.55 | peterS | Boukensya-1: check the file, it should be clear enough what to do. you can comment stuff out with // |
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| 02:10.16 | Hyper | is there a network configure kinda app in gnome or terminal ? |
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| 02:10.38 | peterS | Boukensya-1: recent debian releases put a default named.conf that refers to named.conf.local, which is intended for adding your own zones. but an admin is of course free to edit named.conf directly. that's why you check both |
| 02:10.59 | aqua | anyone here use qmail |
| 02:11.11 | peterS | Hyper: there are etherconf, pppoeconf, and a couple others |
| 02:11.11 | aqua | err |
| 02:11.12 | Boukensya-1 | great (: cheers |
| 02:11.32 | Hyper | thanks peters |
| 02:11.33 | aqua | is qmail hard to install/configure/do virtual hosting/'interact' with pragmatically |
| 02:11.37 | peterS | aqua: probably not many people. there are so many competitors which are free software and in debian, most of us don't have time to mess with the non-free ones |
| 02:11.51 | Hyper | think this could set it up? what is the actual /dev/something that this usb device would use? |
| 02:11.53 | aqua | wtf |
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| 02:11.59 | aqua | since when is qmail not free ? |
| 02:12.01 | Boukensya-1 | peterS, so after I edit it what service do I restart to make the settings take effact |
| 02:12.24 | peterS | aqua: the license is quite restrictive. dan bernstein doesn't charge money but neither does microsoft for internet explorer. both are considered non-free by debian |
| 02:12.39 | aqua | ahh |
| 02:12.46 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:12.47 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
| 02:12.52 | Hyper | peterS: any idea's? |
| 02:12.54 | X-rulez | What are some popular repositories for debian? I'm looking for mplayer and mplayerplug-in |
| 02:12.54 | SerajewelKS | peterS, considering that IE is part of windows now, you pay for IE when you buy windows |
| 02:13.00 | abrotman | !punish curt schilling for being in the fucking bullpen |
| 02:13.02 | peterS | Boukensya-1: "/etc/init.d/bind9 force-reload" or possibly "/etc/init.d/bind force-reload" |
| 02:13.03 | karthick | hi i am goin to install linux in my system but i want to convert all the cd iso's to 2 DVD iso's i found a how to in linux for fedora using jigdo but how can i use it in windows and will it work for linux the link for fedora is http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=381274&p=2 plz hlp |
| 02:13.23 | Boukensya-1 | awesome.. man you are a heap of help |
| 02:13.25 | abrotman | karthick: they have dvd isos already |
| 02:13.27 | shingouz | Hyper: see what ifconfig -a says, do you see any wlan interfaces there? |
| 02:13.35 | peterS | Boukensya-1: debian ships both BIND version 8 and BIND version 9. most people use bind9 these days |
| 02:13.49 | Hyper | what is the actual /dev/something that this usb netgear wireless device its aparently using adress 5would use? |
| 02:13.52 | karthick | but only with jigdo and it is slow |
| 02:13.58 | Hyper | no sure |
| 02:14.00 | Hyper | brb again |
| 02:14.03 | cartel_ | aqua: Qmail's license appears to prohibit redistribution of binaries making it non-DFSG compliant |
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| 02:14.18 | aqua | cartel_; ok. i didnt know that |
| 02:14.19 | aqua | thanks all |
| 02:14.31 | abrotman | karthick: http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/debian-cd/images/3.1_r0a/i386/ |
| 02:14.36 | peterS | cartel_: well, redistribution of binaries from modified source. but debian obviously can't ship binaries from unmodified source, they wouldn't work well in a debian system |
| 02:14.41 | shingouz | Hyper: the /dev is irrelevant. ifconfig -a as i already said |
| 02:14.53 | abrotman | karthick: see the bt .. those are bittorrent .. the iso are the iso .. they have DVD images already |
| 02:14.56 | Agrajag- | is anyone else on testing finding that alsa-base/alsa-utils is being kept back, and if you try to upgrade them, it wants to remove "gnome gnome-desktop-environment gnome-volume-manager hal udev"? |
| 02:14.58 | shingouz | geezz... brains not included ffs... |
| 02:15.23 | karthick | will give it a try |
| 02:15.36 | cartel_ | peterS: its pretty balls if you ask me |
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| 02:15.47 | SerajewelKS | Agrajag-, not over here |
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| 02:16.10 | peterS | cartel_: it's just fortunate that we have so many free MTAs that nobody really has to settle for a non-free one anymore |
| 02:16.13 | Agrajag- | weird.. maybe my mirror sync'd at the wrong time or something. actually i have no idea.. |
| 02:16.14 | cartel_ | peterS: it isnt allowed to distribute a binary but it is allowed to distribute a patch that will build the binary |
| 02:16.21 | karthick | abortman : i get only the md5sums not iso's |
| 02:16.24 | peterS | cartel_: there was a time in the heyday of sendmail when qmail looked like a pretty attractive option |
| 02:16.29 | cartel_ | peterS: we use qmail on our commercial MTAs |
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| 02:16.34 | abrotman | karthick: let me double check |
| 02:16.36 | aarm__ | anyone know how to stop vsftpd on sarge with you're getting a 500 error cannot find config file? |
| 02:16.36 | karthick | and bt is even slow |
| 02:16.57 | cartel_ | peterS: but I use postfix |
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| 02:17.18 | X-rulez | What are some popular repositories for debian? I'm looking for mplayer and mplayerplug-in |
| 02:17.23 | peterS | aarm__: to stop vsftpd: /etc/init.d/vsftpd stop |
| 02:17.23 | cartel_ | peterS: the thing i hate about qmail is patches |
| 02:17.24 | abrotman | karthick: the dvd torrents are there .. let me see if i can find another dvd source |
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| 02:17.37 | theblue_ | Hi all. |
| 02:17.45 | aarm__ | peterS yeah thats what im trying to do but I get an error returned |
| 02:17.46 | punkrockguy318 | hey i've got a probelmm... my computer makes lots of annoying beeps on startup, and when i push backspace in the terminal.. stuff like that.. how can i disable these beeps? |
| 02:17.49 | peterS | cartel_: right, because you can't distribute a modified qmail source tarball, you have to do it in patches. for some odd reason this actually doesn't seem to bother the hardcore qmail fans |
| 02:17.51 | karthick | abortman : http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=381274&p=2 plz see this and give u r opinion |
| 02:17.59 | peterS | aarm__: you can always just 'killall vsftpd' |
| 02:18.11 | SerajewelKS | !tell X-rulez about marillat |
| 02:18.17 | abrotman | Karnaugh: http://debian.linux.org.tw/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 02:18.19 | aarm__ | peterS: yeah Im just trying to track down why im getting that error |
| 02:18.22 | abrotman | karthick: i've never used jigdo |
| 02:18.29 | X-rulez | SerajewelKS, woot thanks alot |
| 02:18.33 | SerajewelKS | X-rulez, np |
| 02:18.36 | cartel_ | peterS: i dunno what djb was thinking when he licensed it |
| 02:18.42 | peterS | aarm__: I seem to have missed where you told us what the error was |
| 02:18.49 | metaperl | has anyone had any luck doing ip masquerading? I have a crossover cable and tried to follow some instructions, but couldnt get it to work |
| 02:18.51 | punkrockguy318 | how can i disable thse beeps |
| 02:19.11 | abrotman | karthick: ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 02:19.18 | peterS | cartel_: well I know what he was thinking. he wanted to reduce his support burden by insisting that all qmails in the world be the original thing he wrote. allowing patches was I guess a concession to reality |
| 02:19.23 | SerajewelKS | metaperl, it's been working for two years over here |
| 02:19.31 | aarm__ | peterS: 500 OOPS: vsftpd: cannot open config file:stop |
| 02:19.48 | peterS | aarm__: that's what "/etc/init.d/vsftpd stop" says? |
| 02:20.03 | aarm__ | peterS: yeah its strange |
| 02:20.10 | peterS | aarm__: also, do you have a /etc/vsftpd.conf ? |
| 02:20.10 | karthick | abortman they say only 4576862 KB is it ok |
| 02:20.18 | metaperl | SerajewelKS: what instruction set did you follow? |
| 02:20.20 | karthick | sorry |
| 02:20.25 | karthick | i forgot |
| 02:20.28 | aarm__ | peterS: yeah its the example one loaded by apt |
| 02:20.33 | karthick | i will give it a try |
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| 02:20.39 | theblue_ | Who helped me out with networking? |
| 02:20.40 | karthick | thx abortman |
| 02:20.45 | lofdev | !javapackage |
| 02:20.55 | abrotman | karthick: got them all ? |
| 02:21.04 | SerajewelKS | metaperl, first.. did you turn on ip_forward in the kernel? |
| 02:21.12 | metaperl | SerajewelKS: oh yes... |
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| 02:21.27 | metaperl | cat 1 > /proc/sys/ip_forward |
| 02:21.38 | stew | 1: no such file or directory |
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| 02:21.47 | metaperl | also tried using guarddog and guidedog as well as shorewall to do all that... but nothing worked |
| 02:21.49 | SerajewelKS | metaperl, not quite ;) |
| 02:21.49 | aarm__ | peterS: could it be a permissions issue? |
| 02:21.57 | metaperl | that was off the top of my head |
| 02:21.58 | peterS | aarm__: dunno |
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| 02:22.04 | abrotman | karthick: http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 02:22.13 | metaperl | SerajewelKS: but I couldnt get my router debian to ping the parasite debian laptop... |
| 02:22.24 | metaperl | let alone getting into Ip forwarding |
| 02:22.24 | prock | are there any mouse configuration tools that will give me more control (or make things easier) than xset? |
| 02:22.28 | SerajewelKS | metaperl, yeah.. this is what i used to masquerade 192.168.0.0/16 to the internet: iptables -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 -d ! 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 02:22.34 | prock | I can't seem to find a sensitivity level I like |
| 02:22.42 | aarm__ | peterS: im running it as root, what should the file permissions be? |
| 02:22.47 | SerajewelKS | metaperl, if you can't ping, then masquerading isn't the problem |
| 02:23.01 | peterS | aarm__: chown root:root, chmod 755 |
| 02:23.06 | metaperl | you have to setup NETWORK, BROADCAST, GATEWAY properly... I did all that... preliminary ping tests failed though |
| 02:23.09 | karthick | abortman it says only 347m in flashget |
| 02:23.10 | peterS | aarm__: oh sorry, chmod 644 |
| 02:23.14 | karthick | is that ok |
| 02:23.28 | SerajewelKS | metaperl, ethereal? |
| 02:23.40 | karthick | sorry 387 M |
| 02:24.01 | metaperl | SerajewelKS: oh you are saying trace the attempt to ping somehow... here is the article that I tried to follow: http://linuxgazette.net/issue43/silva.ip_masq.html |
| 02:24.11 | abrotman | karthick: hrm .. that doesn't seem right does it :) |
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| 02:24.18 | karthick | yeah |
| 02:24.20 | metaperl | SerajewelKS: ethereal on which side? |
| 02:24.34 | Bobmarklye | shingouz: there is not wlan interfaces |
| 02:24.35 | Bobmarklye | no* |
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| 02:24.38 | Bobmarklye | <-- hyper |
| 02:24.40 | abrotman | karthick: what about bt ? |
| 02:24.45 | punkrockguy318 | can someone help me with my beeping problem |
| 02:24.47 | metaperl | also, is there a better word than "parasite" for the laptop I am supplying wired ethernet to from the router box? |
| 02:24.53 | aarm__ | peterS: hmm doesn't make any difference when I set the /etc/vsftpd.conf file with those permissions |
| 02:24.58 | Bobmarklye | brb |
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| 02:25.03 | karthick | ok i will download by bt |
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| 02:25.15 | SerajewelKS | metaperl, both |
| 02:25.17 | karthick | anyhow thx for the hlp |
| 02:25.24 | karthick | bye |
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| 02:25.27 | SerajewelKS | metaperl, "client" =) |
| 02:25.45 | metaperl | SerajewelKS: :) |
| 02:25.50 | Hyper | shingouz: yeah so there is no wlan interfaces when doing ifconfig -a , just my default eth0 and lo |
| 02:25.57 | aarm__ | peterS: its a fresh basic sarge net install with no editin to that file....im stupified....it should just work |
| 02:26.05 | Hyper | so what would my usb card be under in /dev/? |
| 02:26.31 | metaperl | I think I'll just use the wired ethernet at work |
| 02:26.39 | metaperl | not worth more head-banging right now |
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| 02:27.37 | Boukensya-1 | peterS, I did what I needed to do with dns, now I can't find the bind restart service. there is not bind in /etc/init.d.. there is however /etc/rc.d/init.d/ypbind and windbind |
| 02:28.01 | shingouz | Hyper: you *need*the*driver* for the dongle! i think i have mentioned it a few times already |
| 02:28.38 | abrotman | too bad that guy left .. i found the images |
| 02:29.16 | aarm__ | alright then well thanks for the help |
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| 02:29.26 | peterS | Boukensya-1: sorry, was on the phone just now. so - you have /etc/rc.d/init.d/. that tells me this isn't a debian system |
| 02:29.35 | peterS | Boukensya-1: sounds like red hat or a derivative thereof |
| 02:29.45 | shingouz | Hyper: fyi, i am not here anymore. /me finally enters sleepmode |
| 02:29.53 | Hyper | okies |
| 02:29.54 | Boukensya-1 | looks like caldera.. crap they told me it was debian |
| 02:29.55 | Hyper | thanks alot shingouz |
| 02:30.01 | Hyper | ill search google on : dongle |
| 02:30.04 | Boukensya-1 | it also has a /etc/init.d/ one too |
| 02:30.09 | lofdev | anyone know how to get sun java 1.5 to play nice with make-jpkg? |
| 02:30.11 | peterS | Boukensya-1: hehe. well. dig around in /etc/rc.d/ for awhile, see what you can find that looks bind-related |
| 02:30.12 | Hyper | much appriceated |
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| 02:30.23 | peterS | Boukensya-1: possibly /etc/init.d/named or similar, since bind is also known as named |
| 02:30.27 | shingouz | Hyper: no, you search for the damn name of the thing |
| 02:30.38 | Hyper | wtf, then what does dongle mean? |
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| 02:30.59 | peterS | Hyper: a dongle is a small thing that plugs into an external computer port. in this case, your usb adapter |
| 02:31.07 | Hyper | oo really |
| 02:31.08 | Boukensya-1 | /etc/rc.d/init.d/named is there that looks like it yeah? |
| 02:31.17 | Hyper | learn something everyday :) |
| 02:31.25 | peterS | Boukensya-1: yeah, try '/etc/rc.d/init.d/named reload' |
| 02:31.44 | peterS | 'night, shingouz |
| 02:31.52 | abrotman | shingouz: why!?!? |
| 02:32.01 | abrotman | shingouz: stay .. you from the land of .fios! |
| 02:32.06 | Boukensya-1 | peterS, how would I test it? ping one of the dns domains? |
| 02:32.11 | lofdev | (one more time) anyone know how to get sun java 1.5 to play nice with make-jpkg? |
| 02:32.20 | abrotman | lofdev: uhm .. install it ? |
| 02:32.21 | shingouz | ops abrotman teases me :p |
| 02:32.30 | abrotman | ops he likes it |
| 02:32.30 | peterS | Boukensya-1: read /var/log/syslog or whatever they have on caldera. at the bottom, bind will report on its reloading and what zones it is loading |
| 02:32.46 | Boukensya-1 | great thanks heaps man |
| 02:32.54 | abrotman | lofdev: get the .bin .. and java-package .. and read the man page |
| 02:32.55 | abrotman | !install java |
| 02:32.55 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. Also, ask me about <java-package howto> |
| 02:33.00 | peterS | Boukensya-1: or for example, "dig @localhost www.foo.com" |
| 02:33.36 | sess | is ypbind required for external incomming connections? |
| 02:33.45 | sess | my ssh and apache are still blocked |
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| 02:33.52 | peterS | sess: ypbind is for NIS. do you use NIS? |
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| 02:34.21 | sess | peters: I didn't think so, but I am struggling to figure out why I can't connect to my box remotely anymore |
| 02:34.22 | peterS | sess: sshd and apache might well make use of NIS services in the course of their normal operation. these will not function correctly if ypbind is not running |
| 02:34.39 | abrotman | sess: because your isp hates you ? |
| 02:34.52 | peterS | sess: to check if you're using NIS, read /etc/nsswitch.conf, which will mention nis in the 'passwd' and 'group' lines |
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| 02:35.34 | peterS | sess: and possibly in other lines. also, if /etc/passwd or /etc/group have a line beginning with + somewhere, and /etc/nsswitch.conf includes "compat" on the passwd or group lines, that means NIS |
| 02:35.58 | levander` | I'm about to run a command that removes 14 packages from my system. I just ran a 'apt-get remove --simulate --purge' and everything looks fine except it says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 14 to remove and 15 not upgraded.". Where does it get "15 not upgraded" from? What does that mean? |
| 02:36.01 | sess | peters: if I can connect on a computer in the 192.168 range, but not outside of my lan, what should I look for in terms of a service or daemon that is blocking outside lan connections? |
| 02:36.21 | abrotman | levander`: 15 are on hold |
| 02:36.36 | lofdev | abrotman: that process leads me to "No matching plugin was found." ANy ideas? |
| 02:36.38 | sess | /etc/nsswitch.conf has content |
| 02:36.41 | peterS | sess: 192.168 are private IP addresses not routable to the Internet at large. to access them from the Internet you need a NAT gateway, and the NAT gateway needs to forward connections in to specific locations |
| 02:36.46 | levander` | abrotman: how are 15 on hold? I've never hear of being on hold before. |
| 02:36.49 | abrotman | lofdev: for what? |
| 02:36.55 | abrotman | !tell levander` about hold |
| 02:37.08 | lofdev | abrotman: install jdk1.5 |
| 02:37.10 | peterS | sess: most likely your NAT gateway (commonly called a "router" although that's a bit of an insult to real routers everywhere) is just not forwarding specific connections |
| 02:37.25 | abrotman | lofdev: you ran make-kpkg blah.bin ? |
| 02:37.26 | lofdev | abrotman: using make-jpkg |
| 02:37.28 | sess | yes, I understand that, I was able to ssh and check out my website prior to insatlling webmin |
| 02:37.31 | peterS | sess: it needs to be told specifically which ports to forward to which internal IP addresses |
| 02:37.35 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 02:37.35 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 02:37.37 | Hyper | peterS: by using the linuxant would this not be ok ? i mean what is it going to do? if its the easyest solution since i cannot find a linux driver. should i be using it? |
| 02:37.39 | sess | my router has my box set as teh dmz |
| 02:38.02 | lofdev | abrotman: why make kernel package? |
| 02:38.06 | peterS | Hyper: I don't have your problem of running unsupported networking hardware on debian. so I don't have the experience to be able to tell you what will work best |
| 02:38.18 | abrotman | lofdev: sorry .. make-jpkg blah.bin :) |
| 02:38.34 | abrotman | lofdev: i should probably no be helping .. i'm getting sleepy :) |
| 02:38.42 | abrotman | lofdev: but i do have java5 installed |
| 02:38.48 | lofdev | abrotman: that's what I've been doing (dpkg is nice). |
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| 02:39.13 | abrotman | sun-j2re1.5 |
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| 02:39.16 | abrotman | is what i have installed |
| 02:39.24 | Hyper | ok thanks peterS |
| 02:39.33 | levander` | So, abrotman, since I've haven't manually put anything on hold, there are 15 packages that apt can't reconcile the dependencies for? So, it's put them on hold itself? I understand correctly? |
| 02:39.41 | lofdev | abrotman: i'm after the jdk. |
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| 02:39.50 | abrotman | lofdev: hrm .. i may have just done the jre .. |
| 02:39.58 | abrotman | lofdev: maybe that's the difference |
| 02:40.35 | lofdev | i guess I have to let the system update everything and then pray that the dependecy tree is not hosed still |
| 02:40.47 | sess | peters: I was thinking iptables before, but I removed IPTABLEs using apt-get remove, so I don't have ANY idea |
| 02:40.56 | sess | what else might serve the same purpose |
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| 02:41.21 | abrotman | lofdev: there's a package it will suggest .. i wonder if there isn't one for the sdk |
| 02:41.34 | peterS | sess: iptables is just the configuration program for the kernel network filtering stuff, known as netfilter. presumably something else could talk to netfilter as well |
| 02:42.08 | lofdev | abrotman: followed its directions. no worko |
| 02:42.35 | abrotman | lofdev: are you going to make me get the .bin and try ? :) |
| 02:42.44 | sess | well, I just installed iptables, iptables -L reveals Chain Input (policy ACCEPT) |
| 02:42.57 | sess | doesn't that mean that its defaulting to allowing incomming traffic |
| 02:43.23 | peterS | sess: I don't actually use iptables, as I don't need to route packets (I don't give my internal network any direct internet access at all, I do my external stuff on my gateway machine) |
| 02:43.49 | lofdev | abrotman: no. i'll hit it until it gives. |
| 02:44.06 | abrotman | lofdev: i'm getting it to try quickly |
| 02:44.07 | peterS | sess: to route packets you also need the sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 02:44.23 | peterS | sess: that's /etc/sysctl.conf or just talk to /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward directly |
| 02:44.24 | abrotman | lofdev: been done downloading in a minute |
| 02:44.29 | stew | peterS: you do all your browsing via a shell on the gateway? |
| 02:44.33 | lofdev | abrotman: gonna apt-get update && apt-get install javapackage |
| 02:44.41 | lofdev | abrotman: then try again |
| 02:44.58 | peterS | stew: my gateway machine is by far the nicest one I own, so I do almost everything there, except testing stuff that might be disruptive to my tranquil computing paradigm |
| 02:45.19 | stew | peterS: ahh, interesting |
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| 02:46.12 | peterS | stew: for the other machines I run a caching bind9 so they have name service, for what good it does them, and apt-cacher from a local web server so they have debian packages. that's all the internet they get |
| 02:46.21 | lofdev | abrotman: updating the stuff works. abort. abort. abort. |
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| 02:46.49 | sess | peterS: last question then. What other services should I look for that might block incoming traffic |
| 02:47.06 | sess | btw, I treid to edit directly /proc../ip_forward but I got an fsync error |
| 02:47.16 | dontpanic | two simple questions |
| 02:47.21 | abrotman | lofdev: it's ok ? |
| 02:47.21 | sess | so I added the line you specced, (exchanging the . for /) in the conf file |
| 02:47.22 | cafuego | sess: uses sysctl |
| 02:47.23 | peterS | sess: yeah, don't edit it, just 'cat' it to read and 'echo >' it to write |
| 02:47.28 | stew | sess: edit /etc/networking/options, and /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:47.48 | lofdev | abrotman: seems to be working at this point. apt-get update && reinstall java package worked fine... |
| 02:48.12 | abrotman | lofdev: i mean .. mine is creating the package now :) |
| 02:48.25 | dontpanic | one is there a way to halt the boot scroll so you can read what is being loaded |
| 02:48.30 | rking | resio++ |
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| 02:48.55 | abrotman | lofdev: if you want .. i suppose i could setup so you could download it :) |
| 02:48.59 | peterS | dontpanic: there's always ctrl-s and ctrl-q |
| 02:49.05 | sess | well, it says enabling network forwarding...done but I still can't ssh back into alphabits |
| 02:49.17 | lofdev | abrotman: got it. installing now. what a monkey-f***. |
| 02:49.18 | abrotman | lofdev: got it ? |
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| 02:49.26 | abrotman | lofdev: you know about monkey fucking ? |
| 02:49.39 | peterS | sess: so let me get this straight. you have an external NAT box forwarding packets to your one linux box, and you want the one linux box to forward ssh attempts to another linux box? |
| 02:49.46 | lofdev | abrotman: only when java involved |
| 02:49.53 | lofdev | abrotman: damn monkeys |
| 02:49.57 | c_olin | what is "initrd.img-2.4.27-2-k7" and what should I do about it when upgrade my kernel to 2.6.12? |
| 02:49.57 | peterS | sess: or if not, please describe your network topology briefly |
| 02:50.02 | abrotman | lofdev: ah ok .. |
| 02:50.05 | sess | peterS: I have a router connected to the net. My linux box is the DMZ. I want to be able to ssh into that box from the internet |
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| 02:50.16 | dontpanic | thank you peterS |
| 02:50.16 | abrotman | lofdev: i blame java for the hungry children of oklahoma |
| 02:50.16 | peterS | c_olin: initrd.img pretty much takes care of itself |
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| 02:50.37 | c_olin | So I should just leave it how it is even when using a new kernel? |
| 02:50.48 | peterS | sess: so the NAT box is configured to forward all incoming connections to your linux box. that shouldn't require ip_forward or anything like that. just start sshd and it should work. |
| 02:50.58 | lofdev | abrotman: stupid sun. needs to let other people redistribute the packages |
| 02:51.08 | abrotman | lofdev: write them a letter |
| 02:51.17 | peterS | c_olin: it doesn't do any harm. if you remove the kernel-image-2.4.27-whatever package, the initrd image should go away too |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | lofdev: i'm just glad debian has java-package instead of the old way :) |
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| 02:51.20 | sess | peterS: sshd is running. I can ssh into the box locally, I cant ssh into the box from the internet. Thast the problem. |
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| 02:51.35 | lofdev | abrotman: If I write them a letter, can I nominate you to maintain :) |
| 02:51.43 | abrotman | lofdev: maintain java? |
| 02:51.47 | sess | unless it turns out my router is broken... but it was working up until I installed webmin |
| 02:51.49 | abrotman | lofdev: i'm trying to get java out of my life :) |
| 02:51.54 | c_olin | peterS: but in grub I have to shoose what initrd file to use |
| 02:51.57 | c_olin | choose* |
| 02:52.02 | peterS | sess: some sshd config issue I suspect. what happens coming in from the internet? does it connect at all? ('ssh -v' will tell you how far it gets) |
| 02:52.03 | sess | I can even connect to teh webmin admin page from teh ineternt |
| 02:52.13 | lofdev | abrotman: just the package. ha ha. java's not so bad... |
| 02:52.16 | sess | it tiems out peterS |
| 02:52.32 | abrotman | lofdev: not .. so .. bad ? are you drunk? |
| 02:52.35 | peterS | sess: I suspect it's your NAT router at fault here |
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| 02:52.37 | dontpanic | second question is, I need to fiond out if linux can find a modem I am using |
| 02:52.45 | peterS | c_olin: each kernel image gets its own initrd image - they're not at all interchangeable. that's why they're given kernel version numbers in the filenames |
| 02:52.51 | lofdev | abrotman: i did say monkey f***, right? |
| 02:52.53 | fugitboy | I need some help. I am thinking about upgrading from Woody to Sarge |
| 02:52.53 | dontpanic | that would be in a boot log |
| 02:52.55 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:52.55 | rking | dontpanic: lspci ? |
| 02:52.56 | dontpanic | ? |
| 02:53.02 | sess | peterS: the only reason I don' think thats the case is because I can still connect to the webmin page thats on teh linux box from teh internet |
| 02:53.06 | sess | its on port 100000 |
| 02:53.09 | dontpanic | cool thanks |
| 02:53.12 | c_olin | peterS: OK.. but, I just compiled/isntalled 2.6.12.5, now where is my initrd file? |
| 02:53.18 | peterS | sess: there is no port 100000. highest port number is 65535 |
| 02:53.21 | sess | I feel like there's some kind of firewall running or blocking traffic below |
| 02:53.27 | sess | sorry, that was supposed to be 10,000 |
| 02:53.42 | abrotman | lofdev: oculd be worse .. |
| 02:53.45 | abrotman | fortran .. |
| 02:53.55 | peterS | c_olin: you may or may not need one. if you do need one, you can create it using mkinitrd. if you used make-kpkg to build and install the kernel, this probably happens automatically |
| 02:54.00 | lofdev | abrotman: thanks for the assistance. catch ya later. |
| 02:54.17 | fugitboy | I need some help. I am thinking about upgrading from Woody to Sarge |
| 02:54.23 | c_olin | is it manditory to have? |
| 02:54.32 | fugitboy | me? |
| 02:54.42 | peterS | c_olin: it's mandatory if you have to load any modules or configure anything special before the root filesystem is mounted |
| 02:54.50 | c_olin | hmm ok |
| 02:55.06 | peterS | c_olin: whether this is necessary depends on how your root filesystem comes into being, and whether you compiled stuff as modules or monolithically |
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| 02:55.22 | peterS | sess: see if it's possible to plug a second computer into your local network - inside the NAT. then ssh from there. this will tell you if the NAT gateway is causing anything |
| 02:55.43 | peterS | JackyChan: I bet you're not the real actor, just a stunt double |
| 02:55.45 | sess | peterS: I can, from teh mac right next to it within the router. |
| 02:55.51 | sess | teh connection times out from outside the network |
| 02:56.04 | peterS | sess: still sounds like a problem caused by the NAT thing, then |
| 02:56.09 | sess | It seems like its allowing 192.168.10.* traffic only |
| 02:56.10 | dontpanic | rKing: that did the trick thanks |
| 02:56.13 | JackyChan | i am teh real jackychan k ? |
| 02:56.24 | peterS | sess: well, that's the other possibility - check /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny |
| 02:56.42 | rking | dontpanic: not a problem homesizzle. |
| 02:56.44 | sess | /etc/hosts.allow I put ALL:ALL and hosts.deny is empty |
| 02:56.46 | peterS | sess: but if it's *that*, the usual behavior is to connect and then immediately disconnect |
| 02:56.55 | YaleR | sess, it's forwarded right? the port I mean |
| 02:57.07 | sess | yaler: the linux box is teh DMZ |
| 02:57.11 | peterS | YaleR: he seems to think all ports are forwarded by default, by virtue of some "DMZ" setting |
| 02:57.12 | sess | should auto forward all ports to it |
| 02:57.23 | YaleR | "DMZ" okay... whatever that is |
| 02:57.27 | YaleR | good luck |
| 02:57.46 | sess | "demiliterized zone" on a router. I thought that was pretty standard |
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| 02:58.17 | YaleR | lol, only dmz I know is in korea... |
| 02:58.18 | peterS | sess: you could try shutting down webmin and telling /etc/sshd_config "Port 10000" and then sshing from the internet to port 10000 |
| 02:58.37 | peterS | sess: just to see if the NAT thing treats 10000 as a special case somehow |
| 02:58.56 | YaleR | or just nmap your external IP |
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| 02:59.08 | YaleR | and find out if dmz is working |
| 02:59.09 | peterS | sess: that's "Port 10000" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and then restart sshd |
| 02:59.52 | sess | ill try that |
| 03:00.14 | YaleR | imho, you should forward ports like the rest of the world |
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| 03:00.39 | peet | guys whats a good download manager |
| 03:00.43 | abrotman | wget |
| 03:00.47 | abrotman | gwget |
| 03:01.07 | peterS | btdownloadgui |
| 03:01.36 | peterS | well, btdownloadgui if by "good" you mean "clumsy and with all the wrong features" |
| 03:01.36 | JackyChan | can linux unzip .zip files? if so using what command? |
| 03:01.47 | peterS | JackyChan: there's an 'unzip' debian package that provides an 'unzip' command |
| 03:01.53 | JackyChan | thn |
| 03:01.53 | YaleR | peet, for gui, kget. |
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| 03:03.11 | peterS | I was about to say wget was misnamed since it's more about http than the web, but then I remembered that http is pretty misnamed too |
| 03:03.30 | peterS | http should have been aybatp since it's used for just about everything |
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| 03:04.01 | sess | well, I got a connection on port 10000, it just keeps saying system bootup in progress - please wait |
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| 03:04.05 | sess | when I type in teh password |
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| 03:04.37 | peterS | sess: getting a connection is an important step. now to figure out whether you've got netfilter on your debian box blocking port 22, or the NAT gateway blackholing port 22 |
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| 03:05.57 | peterS | hmmm. rsh must be a relatively new protocol. it got an even numbered port. (514/tcp) |
| 03:05.59 | dontpanic | night all |
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| 03:07.42 | mfrisch | j |
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| 03:08.28 | sess | peterS: I have knetfilter installed (I would assume that means netfilter is also present?) |
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| 03:08.35 | sess | yet there is no package called netfilter |
| 03:08.45 | peterS | sess: netfilter is a kernel component, not a separate package. so yeah. |
| 03:08.47 | rob_lt | Anyone here ever use the "pointless" program for making presentations? It is quite nice and I just made a small presentation on installing debian using the netinstall CD. |
| 03:09.01 | sess | aaah |
| 03:09.08 | sess | Im using the stock 2.4.19 kernel |
| 03:09.16 | sess | haven't even recompiled yet since I installe |
| 03:09.17 | peterS | rob_lt: never heard of it. better than mgp or latex or openoffice? |
| 03:09.18 | sess | d |
| 03:09.30 | daft | My harddisk of my crashed and now i use a old masqerate script but it misses and forward example (ip from external to internal ip) it been a while since i wrote it and i totaly forgo t how to set it up some one here has an example? |
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| 03:10.20 | rob_lt | peterS, well, it uses opengl, so the text and transitions are very nice. It is limited in effects, but if all you want is a simple presentation with some nice text and png images, it worked great. |
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| 03:10.48 | peterS | rob_lt: easy to build presentations? mgp and latex are both edit / compile / run as opposed to wysiwyg |
| 03:10.50 | rob_lt | peterS, I gave up on ooimpress and powerpoint. Powerpoint in much nicer than impress, but I couldn't even stand using that. |
| 03:11.54 | rob_lt | peterS, it's markup language, very simple. The whole presentation including two png images and the presentation with a backup compressed to a 42k tarball. |
| 03:11.55 | sess | peterS: if this "netfilter" is responsible, how would I go about "resetting" it |
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| 03:12.52 | rob_lt | I'm actually uploading it to yousendit.com right now, and I'll post the link when it's done. Just a simple "pointless --fullscreen debian.pll" will start the show. |
| 03:13.16 | peterS | rob_lt: so it's edit/compile/run, then? like you edit a text file and then process it? |
| 03:13.47 | peterS | sess: I don't use netfilter, personally. so I don't know, except that iptables uses it and knetfilter presumably uses it and things like shorewall use it |
| 03:14.04 | sess | crap |
| 03:14.26 | mfrisch | sess is a program using it? |
| 03:14.31 | sess | I really don't want to start from scratch here, but I've been workign on this same problem for 2 days |
| 03:14.59 | rob_lt | peterS, it is interpreted when you launch the slideshow, so technically there is no compile |
| 03:15.06 | peterS | sess: something's dropping port 22 on the floor but allowing port 10000 through. figure out what firewall helper programs you might have installed, and what their configurations are doing |
| 03:15.10 | mfrisch | sess are you making a script |
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| 03:15.22 | rob_lt | more like edit/run |
| 03:15.23 | peterS | rob_lt: well, yeah, edit/run then. that's what mgp is too |
| 03:15.29 | sess | mfrisch: I want access to my box from outside my lan, but I can access anything below 10,000 from the internet after installing webmin |
| 03:15.39 | sess | it did something to my configuration to lock it down automatically without asking me |
| 03:15.42 | sess | and now Im screwed |
| 03:15.49 | peterS | sess: maybe webmin itself includes a netfilter module that set this up by default |
| 03:16.04 | sess | well, I demolished webmin and all of its modules |
| 03:16.31 | peterS | sess: netfilter is kernel side, so once it's configured it'll stay configured until you reboot. so worst case you can try rebooting |
| 03:16.35 | mfrisch | sess give me a sec |
| 03:16.54 | peterS | sess: unless you can figure out some other way to change its configuration. anyway, that's a thought |
| 03:16.55 | sess | peterS: I've tried rebooting multiple times after changing configuration files and services |
| 03:17.01 | peterS | oh ok |
| 03:17.16 | sess | otherwise I wouldn't be wasting your time |
| 03:17.26 | sess | I just haev exausted all of own possible ideas |
| 03:17.37 | sess | I don't recongnize any other firewall packages that may be installed |
| 03:17.48 | sess | Ive looked through my processes list, can't see anything |
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| 03:18.01 | aqua | anyone here do virtual email hosting with postfix ? |
| 03:18.02 | sess | looked through all the logs for hints, nothing. |
| 03:18.03 | mfrisch | sess does iptables -L give you alot of output? |
| 03:18.20 | sess | mfriesch: no, it says on the input channel allow all |
| 03:18.21 | aqua | where do you put the mail base, in /var/spool/postfix/maildrop ? |
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| 03:18.35 | sess | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 03:18.37 | sess | target prot opt source destination |
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| 03:18.52 | sess | Im assuming that thats the "chain" Im worried about for incomming traffic |
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| 03:19.04 | sess | in fact, all 3 chains say that exactly |
| 03:19.09 | sess | input, output, and forward |
| 03:19.13 | rob_lt | If anyone wants to look at that presentation using "pointless --fullscreen debian.pll" and give me some feedback, it is available here: http://s54.yousendit.com/d.php?id=1U762LIZQ69WGLU8H4OP7LLC8 |
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| 03:19.44 | XefseeE | hello everyone |
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| 03:20.26 | XefseeE | anyone able to help me fix my resolution debacle |
| 03:20.58 | mfrisch | sess iptables -D chain deletes |
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| 03:22.10 | JochenA | I just did "apt-get source gnome-applets" on a sarge system and apt-source fails on applying the patch (patch complains about a file already existing). Could the problem be on my system? The source version is the stable one. |
| 03:22.27 | sess | mfrisch: but there ARE no rules, I think only the default policy (ACCPET) is set |
| 03:22.30 | sess | accept |
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| 03:23.34 | daedalus_ | sess: /join #iptables? |
| 03:24.31 | xbmodder | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-370611.html < any ideas how to fix it |
| 03:24.32 | xbmodder | ? |
| 03:24.56 | sess | you think i would have to reboot after changing the IP tables? |
| 03:25.00 | daedalus_ | !tell xbmodder about not debian |
| 03:25.04 | sess | i did an iptables -A INPUT |
| 03:25.13 | daedalus_ | sess: no |
| 03:25.22 | sess | it added an all -- anywhere anywhere entry |
| 03:25.31 | xbmodder | daedalus_, my fucking distro banned me |
| 03:25.32 | xbmodder | not funny |
| 03:25.36 | xbmodder | Please man |
| 03:25.39 | xbmodder | I beg you |
| 03:25.42 | daedalus_ | sess: in fact, rebooting without running save-tables will flush your rules |
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| 03:26.01 | bob2 | wow |
| 03:26.06 | YaleR | xbmodder, your distro banned you? ahahaha |
| 03:26.14 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: auto_bleh doesn't much like the new "hostnames" |
| 03:26.17 | daedalus_ | !they don't know |
| 03:26.17 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 03:26.17 | gravity | What a tool |
| 03:26.22 | sess | I don't have a save-tables command |
| 03:26.23 | bob2 | FSVO "hostname" that includes /'s |
| 03:26.31 | bob2 | sess: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
| 03:28.07 | SerajewelKS | when i use 'startx' or 'xinit' i get "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." this was not happening yesterday... |
| 03:28.26 | daedalus_ | sess: I gues it's iptables-save my bad |
| 03:28.46 | daedalus_ | SerajewelKS: as root? |
| 03:29.05 | sess | quite alright, however, Im still fuxked |
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| 03:29.17 | SerajewelKS | daedalus_, no |
| 03:29.26 | SerajewelKS | daedalus_, i used to be able to run X as any user... |
| 03:29.30 | sess | ssh still seems to be partly broken |
| 03:29.34 | SerajewelKS | daedalus_, in fact i did it yesterday |
| 03:29.36 | sess | I think Ill just start from scratch |
| 03:30.09 | sess | this is way more work than a fresh debian net install |
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| 03:30.22 | sess | I won't make the mistake of installing webmin again |
| 03:30.57 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: why did you change since the last time you restarted X? |
| 03:31.03 | mfrisch | rob_lt looks good :) |
| 03:31.05 | bob2 | also, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-common |
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| 03:31.25 | SerajewelKS | bob2, nothing... and i'm not using xorg |
| 03:31.37 | bob2 | then xfree86-common then |
| 03:31.41 | bob2 | and you changed *something* |
| 03:31.44 | SerajewelKS | bob2, haven't rebooted.. only did a dist-upgrade, and that upgraded hotplug |
| 03:32.06 | daedalus_ | SerajewelKS, try deleting your .Xauthority file in your home dir |
| 03:32.17 | SerajewelKS | daedalus_, won't that bork my running X session? |
| 03:32.52 | bob2 | right, so when you said "nothing" you meant "I did a dist-upgrade" |
| 03:33.04 | daedalus_ | SerajewelKS, You may have troubles opening new windows... but I'm not entirely sure what it owuld do to a running xserver |
| 03:33.11 | SerajewelKS | bob2, upgrading hotplug isn't exactly what i'd call "related to xfree86" |
| 03:33.21 | SerajewelKS | daedalus_, i like being able to open windows ;) |
| 03:33.46 | daedalus_ | SerajewelKS, you wish to be able to start the xserver. This may require you to shut down your current xserver |
| 03:33.49 | bob2 | I'm not sure where I said "related to xfree86" |
| 03:33.55 | rob_lt | mfrisch, thanks :) |
| 03:34.12 | SerajewelKS | daedalus_, no, i've run multiple X servers before... on different displays of course |
| 03:34.20 | SerajewelKS | bob2, okay, how did the dist-upgrade cause this problem |
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| 03:34.28 | daedalus_ | SerajewelKS, if you are not having problems starting your xserver, then why are you asking? Also, a dist-upgrade moves all of your packages to a new dist, not just one package... |
| 03:34.35 | rob_lt | mfrisch, feel free to use/change/delete it to your liking |
| 03:34.53 | daedalus_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:35.10 | SerajewelKS | daedalus_, no... i didn't change my sources |
| 03:35.19 | mfrisch | rob_lt I may use it to learn pointless. Does it support movies? |
| 03:35.30 | SerajewelKS | daedalus_, i just found out i can xinit from a console VT, but not from X... i used to be able to xinit from X... |
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| 03:36.21 | daedalus_ | SerajewelKS: Ok, back to the original problem. I googled for your error string (which you obviously have not done) and the suggested fix is for you to delete your .Xauthority file. If you can't handle that, then I suggest you hit google for yourself. |
| 03:36.56 | SerajewelKS | daedalus_, a) i did google. b) .Xauthority exists whether i am in X or not, so why would it work from a VT and not from X? |
| 03:36.56 | rob_lt | mfrisch, that I'm not sure of. What I really want to find out is if it can execute some commandline argument... that would be perfect. |
| 03:37.03 | mwilson | <sigh> Stupid xorg... |
| 03:37.19 | mwilson | Can't play bzflag now... |
| 03:37.23 | aqua | serajewelks; so delete it... |
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| 03:37.56 | c_olin | I just updated my kernel, and my mouse is too sensative. How can I change this? |
| 03:37.58 | mfrisch | rob_lt then you should be able to add anything...cool. |
| 03:38.00 | orchid | mwilson: whats wrong? |
| 03:38.14 | SerajewelKS | aqua, i have an X session going... deleting its .Xauthority will cause problems when i want to start new programs |
| 03:39.03 | daedalus_ | SerajewelKS: xauthority contains various x authorization magic cookies that essentially say what you are allowed to do (connect to the X server, etc) Deleting it will cause the xinit to re-make it. I've never heard of doing an xinit from within X... I am not sure of it's effects. |
| 03:39.14 | mwilson | orchid: Oh, under XFree, bzflag could correctly determine that I was running in Xinerama, but that only one head supported OGL (nVidia only supports hardware OGL on one head). So it wouldn't extend the game to the other monitor. On Xorg, OTOT, it thinks both heads support hardware OGL. |
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| 03:39.26 | xbmodder | YaleR, not funny!! |
| 03:39.29 | mwilson | orchid: So the left monitor has half the game, and the right monitor is blank. |
| 03:39.31 | SerajewelKS | daedalus_, i found it... debian's /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config says to only allow xinit from the console |
| 03:40.03 | daedalus_ | SerajewelKS: well, cool. |
| 03:40.14 | SerajewelKS | daedalus_, and i do xinit's from X all the time with no side-effects. it's handy when playing full-screen games that don't have a background key. |
| 03:40.26 | orchid | mwilson: 2.0 bz? or from source? |
| 03:40.30 | SerajewelKS | e.g. any commercial SDL game ported from windows |
| 03:40.40 | daedalus_ | SerajewelKS: couldn't you achieve what you want with multiple screens in one xserver? |
| 03:40.48 | mwilson | orchid: 2.0.2 |
| 03:40.49 | orchid | but its probably xorg |
| 03:41.01 | SerajewelKS | daedalus_, SDL doesn't work that way AFAIK |
| 03:41.14 | mwilson | orchid: It's not anything I'm going to lose sleep over. |
| 03:41.19 | daedalus_ | SerajewelKS: Couldn't tell you. Interesting solution though. |
| 03:41.33 | SerajewelKS | daedalus_, yeah, when it works =) |
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| 03:44.08 | litage | can anyone recommend a security consultant/consultancy company in Australia? |
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| 03:53.54 | bob2 | litage: me! |
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| 03:54.39 | gravity | hehe |
| 03:55.09 | litage | bob2: are you being serious or facetious? |
| 03:55.11 | c_olin | I'm trying to build the ATI fglrx module and I get this error "/usr/src/modules/fglrx/agpgart_be.c:7136: error: structure has no member named `slot_name" I'm assuming I have an option wrong in my kernel, any ideas? |
| 03:56.54 | bob2 | well, semi-serious |
| 03:57.10 | litage | bob2: are you located in Australia? |
| 03:57.18 | peterS | litage: dude, bob2 is everywhere |
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| 03:57.51 | litage | peterS: ? |
| 03:58.05 | peterS | litage: well, he's everywhere on irc. I assumed he was everywhere in real life too |
| 03:58.11 | bob2 | litage: heh, yeah |
| 03:58.25 | peterS | not that I've spotted him in my hometown yet |
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| 03:58.40 | gravity | He passes through in the night |
| 03:58.44 | peterS | ahh |
| 03:58.49 | SuperDuperShant | what is the pool directory for? its on most ftp servers |
| 03:58.57 | bob2 | heh, a friend wrote a song about me called "creature of the night" |
| 03:59.06 | bob2 | SuperDuperShant: that's where all the .debs are stored |
| 03:59.08 | gravity | Your friend wrote a song about you? |
| 03:59.13 | gravity | Was it the super jesus? |
| 03:59.15 | peterS | c_olin: fglrx is obscene for forking the kernel agp bridge driver. they should have just patched the kernel one publicly. |
| 03:59.33 | peterS | c_olin: to be fair, other closed-source graphics chip makers seem to do the same thing |
| 03:59.33 | litage | seeing as how bob2 hasn't specifically said that he's located in Australia, i'm not going to pursue his services |
| 03:59.33 | bob2 | gravity: cannibal tads! |
| 03:59.40 | bob2 | 13:57:02 litage | bob2: are you located in Australia? |
| 03:59.41 | gravity | tads? |
| 03:59.42 | bob2 | 13:58:03 bob2 | litage: heh, yeah |
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| 04:00.31 | litage | bob2: it seemed as though you were responding to peterS' msg |
| 04:00.37 | Project | hey dudes |
| 04:00.37 | litage | bob2: where in Australia? |
| 04:00.40 | Project | i have an integrated intel gfx |
| 04:00.42 | bob2 | gravity: tadpoles |
| 04:00.43 | Project | do i use the -vesa driver? |
| 04:00.46 | gravity | lol |
| 04:00.46 | RabidDog | Are people aware that libsmpeg0c2 is causing libgcompris-1-0 & libsdl-mixer1.2 to not install and meet dependenaces? |
| 04:00.47 | peterS | litage: seriously though, he's in au |
| 04:00.49 | bob2 | Project: i810 if you have x.org |
| 04:00.49 | gravity | That's a great band name |
| 04:01.00 | Project | i think i have xFree |
| 04:01.02 | bob2 | litage: canberra, much of the time |
| 04:01.13 | Project | im not sure what i have |
| 04:01.22 | litage | bob2: may i private msg you? |
| 04:01.29 | gravity | Project: X -version |
| 04:01.32 | peterS | Project: xfree86 4.3 supports some intel chips, xserver-xorg in unstable should support them all |
| 04:01.38 | bob2 | litage: sure.. |
| 04:01.47 | Project | xserver-xfree86 |
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| 04:01.52 | gravity | Sorta well... the i810 driver ain't so hot |
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| 04:02.08 | peterS | gravity: eh? I thought you said in -5 it's supposed to be all there |
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| 04:02.20 | gravity | peterS: It is but the driver still isn't perfect |
| 04:02.24 | peterS | ahh |
| 04:02.25 | Project | ? |
| 04:02.29 | gravity | peterS: Some people are still having issues |
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| 04:02.58 | peterS | Project: intel chipset support with Linux drivers has been ... problematic. it's better in gravity's most recent upload of xorg, but he's saying it still doesn't work right for everyone. that's all |
| 04:03.47 | gravity | Project: If you have xfree86, you can try the i810 driver and see how it goes, although if it doesn't work that great use vesa. |
| 04:03.53 | Project | didnt work |
| 04:03.54 | peterS | in other words, "here's a nickel, kid - go buy yourself a cheap third party geforce4 board" |
| 04:04.02 | Project | -vesa didnt work either i think |
| 04:04.09 | gravity | Project: vesa should work. |
| 04:04.21 | Project | hrm |
| 04:04.30 | gravity | Everything supports vesa. It's a rare card that doesn't, and I have successful reports of vesa with xfree86 |
| 04:04.30 | Project | whats the commandline tool to configure monitor and resolution? |
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| 04:04.41 | gravity | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:04.43 | peterS | Project: for extra fun and excitement, ask gravity the question abrotman asked him earlier today, about xfree86 |
| 04:04.59 | RabidDog | Are people aware that libsmpeg0c2 is causing libgcompris-1-0 & libsdl-mixer1.2 to not install and meet dependancies??? |
| 04:05.00 | Project | this isnt my computer |
| 04:05.11 | Project | i run a nvidia card in my own box, my cousin trying to convert to the penguin |
| 04:05.13 | peterS | RabidDog: we are aware that lots of things in unstable are broken |
| 04:05.16 | peterS | RabidDog: don't use unstable |
| 04:05.22 | RabidDog | hmm |
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| 04:05.41 | peterS | RabidDog: this past month is the time to remind everyone why unstable is called unstable |
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| 04:05.48 | RabidDog | lol |
| 04:06.05 | RabidDog | peterS: it's my first time going through this |
| 04:06.06 | RabidDog | :) |
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| 04:06.24 | peterS | RabidDog: well, july + august 2005 is probably the worst unstable will be in the etch release cycle |
| 04:06.33 | RabidDog | I c |
| 04:06.34 | peterS | RabidDog: it's probably all uphill from here, although one can never guarantee these things |
| 04:06.54 | RabidDog | right I understand |
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| 04:07.09 | [Blox] | can anyone imagine a software related reason why a computer would arbitrarily reboot? |
| 04:07.19 | Project | cpuburn |
| 04:07.23 | Project | overheat cpu |
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| 04:07.27 | Project | cause reboot |
| 04:07.42 | [Blox] | that's not software related |
| 04:07.49 | peterS | Dell should sell servers with Debian 4.0 on them, and call 'em PowerEtch |
| 04:07.58 | Project | cpu burn is a cpu stress too |
| 04:08.04 | Project | tool |
| 04:09.14 | [Blox] | comp also froze 4 times today |
| 04:09.33 | YaleR | [Blox], bad ram? |
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| 04:09.37 | Thanatermesis | how to limit my upload ? |
| 04:09.50 | bob2 | Thanatermesis: look at the trickle pacage |
| 04:10.00 | [Blox] | YaleR: I thought of that too, but I don't think that would explain the arbitrary reboots |
| 04:10.13 | mwilson | Yeah, that's all Debian needs... all the positives that are Debian offset by all the negatives that are Dell. |
| 04:10.13 | YaleR | [Blox], it does |
| 04:10.14 | RabidDog | peterS: my aunt just bought a xps gen5 with pentium d 830 from dell |
| 04:10.31 | YaleR | [Blox], run a ram check |
| 04:10.44 | [Blox] | YaleR: yeah... I better. Thx |
| 04:10.44 | RabidDog | mwilson: u're a funny guy |
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| 04:11.19 | mwilson | RabidDog: I'm afraid I only speak English. |
| 04:11.54 | RabidDog | peterS: Is there a document on the benefits of upgrading or what were gaining from going to gcc 4.0? |
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| 04:12.39 | peterS | RabidDog: it produces smaller code, for one. I assume it also produces better-optimized code. the C++ compiler is a lot faster. the real reason, though, is that eventually we'll have to upgrade to it or we'll be ABI-incompatible with everyone else out there |
| 04:12.51 | z36ra | anyone got any tips for getting wireless working? |
| 04:12.54 | RabidDog | ah right |
| 04:12.55 | Thanatermesis | bob2, trickle -u 20 -d 30 btdownloadcurses bla bla are valid ? |
| 04:13.02 | YaleR | z36ra, ndiswrapper |
| 04:13.10 | YaleR | works almost every time |
| 04:13.13 | bob2 | Thanatermesis: or you could just install bittornado and read the btdownloadcurses manpage |
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| 04:13.16 | mwilson | Thanatermesis: As opposed to just telling btdownloadcurses to limit the speed? |
| 04:13.25 | peterS | RabidDog: when gcc 4.15 is out and Debian is still using gcc 3.3 for C++ ABI compatibility, it'll be awfully hard to support it since upstream will have long since lost interest |
| 04:13.38 | Thanatermesis | mwilson, limit my upload speed |
| 04:13.44 | mwilson | Thanatermesis: As I said. |
| 04:13.45 | Thanatermesis | for download 2 torrents |
| 04:14.05 | z36ra | Yale: what is that? a package? |
| 04:14.07 | mwilson | Amazing what you can learn when you actually read the documentation for an application. |
| 04:14.46 | RabidDog | peterS: is debian supporting anything less then a i586 architecture? |
| 04:14.54 | bob2 | wtf |
| 04:14.57 | RabidDog | on x86 platform? |
| 04:14.57 | bob2 | haha i586 |
| 04:14.58 | mwilson | RabidDog: Of course. |
| 04:14.59 | YaleR | z36ra, yes, it will use windows wireless drivers to create linux ones |
| 04:15.05 | YaleR | lol RabidDog |
| 04:15.15 | bob2 | RabidDog: debian's i386 port runs on 486 and greater cpus |
| 04:15.35 | Xenguy | RabidDog: you're thinking of stuff like Mandrivel etc. |
| 04:15.42 | RabidDog | i wish the binaries were i586 or better no more i386/486 |
| 04:15.57 | mwilson | Why? It doesn't make any measurable difference. |
| 04:15.59 | YaleR | RabidDog, thats why some people dislike debia |
| 04:16.04 | peterS | RabidDog: have you got any evidence that the lack of i586 instructions actually slows anything down? |
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| 04:16.06 | mwilson | Except in very specific corner cases. |
| 04:16.18 | bob2 | RabidDog: so, you've actualy done benchmarks and shown that would be useful? |
| 04:16.18 | bob2 | ror are you just assuming that it would? |
| 04:16.19 | bob2 | as it turns out, optimising for pentiums is a terrible idea |
| 04:16.27 | peterS | RabidDog: the difference between 386 and 486 was quite significant for particular corner cases. the difference between 486 and 586, much less so |
| 04:17.08 | RabidDog | peterS: hmm never said i had any proof but I've read many arguments for and against, so I'm just wondering and askinga bout it |
| 04:17.12 | peterS | RabidDog: the jump to i686 is more useful, though. hence we have certain packages, such as kernels and libc, which have specific 686 variant binary packages |
| 04:17.18 | mwilson | He's been drinking the Gentoobie kool-aid. |
| 04:17.30 | RabidDog | mwilson: lol |
| 04:17.39 | bob2 | RabidDog: the people tho argue for it turn out to be almost always clueless gentoo users |
| 04:17.56 | mwilson | Is there any other kind of Gentoo user? |
| 04:18.10 | bob2 | some gentoo people seem nice |
| 04:18.12 | mwilson | There *must* be clued Gentoo users somewhere, but I've never met one. |
| 04:18.22 | bob2 | they tend to be drowned out by the moronic hordes |
| 04:18.31 | RabidDog | peterS: although64 bit debian is a architecture in and of itself with all code optimized for it, right? |
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| 04:18.39 | RabidDog | in a way |
| 04:18.40 | peterS | mwilson: dude, the other day I ran across a gentoo user in another channel who had to ask what configure flags he could use to compile something. as though he actually had never heard of ./configure --help. I don't know why it surprised me that someone using a source-based distribution might not know that, but anyway. |
| 04:18.44 | bob2 | who actually do think that using emerge and watching gcc output makes them smarter |
| 04:19.00 | peterS | RabidDog: amd64 should be thought of as an entirely separate port, yes |
| 04:19.04 | bob2 | RabidDog: 64-bit? you mean amd64? yes, it's a seperate architecture. |
| 04:19.14 | bob2 | Debian has several 64-bit ports, though. |
| 04:19.16 | RabidDog | bob2: there's intel 64emt |
| 04:19.19 | mwilson | peterS: Been there, done that. |
| 04:19.28 | peterS | RabidDog: intel 64emt is amd64 |
| 04:19.36 | z36ra | YaleR: so install the modules and then what? |
| 04:19.42 | bob2 | RabidDog: no, that's a poor clone of the amd64 architecture |
| 04:19.48 | mwilson | Damn... my burrito tore. |
| 04:19.50 | bob2 | RabidDog: I was refering to Alpha and IA-64 |
| 04:19.50 | YaleR | z36ra, hmm? |
| 04:19.53 | RabidDog | peterS: bob2 asked if Imeant amd64, which I meant both |
| 04:20.00 | liable | if I got a motherboard that has a power slot for a P4, but am only using a celeron, do I plug it in or not? |
| 04:20.07 | peterS | RabidDog: amd64 is the architecture. Intel has an implementation of it |
| 04:20.12 | RabidDog | ah |
| 04:20.14 | RabidDog | I c |
| 04:20.18 | RabidDog | and understand now |
| 04:20.19 | z36ra | YaleR: ndiswrapper? |
| 04:20.21 | bob2 | RabidDog: amd64 is the name of the architecture; em64t is a name intel invented to avoid having to use "amd" on their advertisements |
| 04:20.27 | YaleR | z36ra, yeah, there are many steps. |
| 04:20.33 | RabidDog | bob2: oh ehehe |
| 04:21.00 | peterS | RabidDog: for years AMD made i686 compatible chips, now the shoe's on the other foot and Intel is making amd64-compatible chips. quite funny, yes |
| 04:21.03 | YaleR | z36ra, maybe check their wiki to see if your card has support/problems |
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| 04:21.28 | RabidDog | peterS: actually it is, however amd is charging exorbitant amounts atm |
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| 04:22.18 | peterS | RabidDog: are they? their 64-bit chips were quite reasonably priced last time I looked, something over a year ago. I still bought a 32-bit athlon, mind, because I didn't/don't need the 64-bitness and wanted to spend less money |
| 04:22.42 | mwilson | I think he thought he meant in royalties or something. |
| 04:23.25 | RabidDog | mwilson: does intel not pay royalties? |
| 04:23.28 | peterS | financing something that costs $2000 or less is silly. save up and pay cash. |
| 04:23.46 | RabidDog | peterS: it's costing here $3200 |
| 04:23.49 | RabidDog | her |
| 04:23.55 | RabidDog | with flatpanel |
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| 04:24.29 | peterS | ah well. that's overpriced. that's where you ask yourself why you need a 64-bit machine. I didn't and don't, I rather doubt most people do. |
| 04:24.46 | mwilson | RabidDog: I made no statement about whether they pay royalties or not. |
| 04:24.50 | bob2 | $3200 for a computer seems excessive, even in .au |
| 04:25.02 | bob2 | a very shiney dual core amd64 can be had for half that |
| 04:25.19 | RabidDog | that's cdn |
| 04:25.22 | Project | man dual core |
| 04:25.23 | Project | mmm |
| 04:25.30 | Project | with gigabytes new i-ram disk |
| 04:25.32 | miag | $500 and cell(ps3) and debian and that's it. |
| 04:25.35 | Project | pwn every computer out there |
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| 04:25.49 | bob2 | i-ram? please don't tel me that's a non-volatile ram disk. |
| 04:25.53 | peterS | RabidDog: yeah well, au$ is worth less than cdn$, I think, so bob2's point stands |
| 04:25.57 | Project | yea |
| 04:25.59 | RabidDog | heh |
| 04:26.05 | Project | its somewhat affordable |
| 04:26.14 | Project | but heck if u willing to spend that much on a dual core |
| 04:26.23 | Project | 800 for a 4gb ram disk doesnt seem bad |
| 04:26.23 | Project | =P |
| 04:26.25 | RabidDog | the 19" flatpanel cost $550, and the extra 250 gig hdd |
| 04:26.35 | bob2 | Project: it does seem pointless, tho |
| 04:26.37 | RabidDog | so she has 500 GB hdd space |
| 04:26.49 | RabidDog | through in a AIO printer |
| 04:26.50 | bob2 | does she need 500GB of disk? |
| 04:26.58 | peterS | RabidDog: yeah, 500 GB is about 420 GB more than I can imagine needing, so. |
| 04:27.03 | z36ra | YaleR: I found that it is compatible with wlan. ndis is leading me in another direction. screw windows drivers. |
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| 04:27.05 | RabidDog | bob2: u convince her of that |
| 04:27.08 | kadigibox | I know this probably isnt the proper place to ask this but I am trying to find out specs on a unlabled wifi card by its FCC ID. Anyone know how I go about doing that? |
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| 04:27.34 | peterS | kadigibox: the usual thing to do is plug it in and ask your PCMCIA or USB subsystem what it is |
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| 04:28.05 | kadigibox | well the thing is Linux doesnt detect the card |
| 04:28.16 | mwilson | The MAC on the card will tell you who made it. |
| 04:28.22 | peterS | kadigibox: shouldn't matter if it has a driver for it, the USB or PCMCIA bus will still at least see it |
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| 04:28.31 | kadigibox | there is no mac listed on the card |
| 04:28.31 | dak | lspci |
| 04:28.33 | dak | :) |
| 04:28.46 | mwilson | Then it's cheap-shit... throw it away. |
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| 04:29.00 | kadigibox | anyway I dont have the laptop to test it out on anyway |
| 04:29.14 | peterS | kadigibox: if it's USB, try 'lsusb' from the usbutils package. if it's (32-bit) PCMCIA, use lspci from the pciutils package. |
| 04:29.21 | kadigibox | its not cheep shit. it was from a expensive computer |
| 04:29.41 | mwilson | Decent cards have markings. |
| 04:29.46 | kadigibox | peterS, I said I dont have the laptop anymore |
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| 04:30.01 | kadigibox | mwilson, it was an internal wifi card made for that computer |
| 04:30.01 | exobyte | How can I get the hardware address of a local ip |
| 04:30.19 | peterS | kadigibox: oh so you're trying to sell it on ebay but you have to describe it properly |
| 04:30.26 | peterS | exobyte: ifconfig will tell |
| 04:30.31 | mwilson | So it's not PCMCIA, it's mini-PCI? |
| 04:30.39 | bob2 | exobyte: you mean another computer? |
| 04:30.43 | bob2 | exobyte: look in the arp cache, "arp -a" |
| 04:30.46 | kadigibox | No I am wanting to know what the specs are |
| 04:30.55 | bob2 | hm, I wonder if "ip" can poke the arp table |
| 04:30.57 | exobyte | bob2: yeah- sorry.. local meant non-internet |
| 04:31.08 | kadigibox | all I know is there is a big chance its a spectrum 24 card |
| 04:31.26 | mwilson | If it were a Spectrum 24 card, it'd have Symbol's name all over it. |
| 04:31.33 | peterS | kadigibox: google image search for that card, see if it looks the same? |
| 04:31.34 | kadigibox | Telxon |
| 04:31.40 | mwilson | Symbol. |
| 04:31.40 | kadigibox | not Symbol |
| 04:31.51 | mwilson | Or didn't you know that Symbol bought Telxon years ago. |
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| 04:32.07 | kadigibox | must have been after 2001 |
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| 04:32.17 | kadigibox | cause its labled Dec 01 |
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| 04:32.24 | mwilson | Actually Telxon has been through a number of hands. Cisco owns the Aironet name now, Symbol owns everything else. |
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| 04:33.08 | Gibran | Ola gostaria muito de ajuda eu estou procurando as legendas em português de Stand Alone Complex |
| 04:33.16 | dli | I'm using powernowd, but the clock speed is always at the lowest, even when the cpu load is 100% |
| 04:33.25 | Gibran | Alguém pode me ajudar?? |
| 04:33.33 | mwilson | You'll notice that telxon.com is a CNAME for symbol.com. :) |
| 04:33.43 | peterS | !portuguese |
| 04:33.44 | dpkg | hmm... portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:33.53 | Project | whats the tool to adjust monitor stuff |
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| 04:34.26 | kadigibox | here is all the info I know on it. Telxon, AIR-I/O IRM900DS, P/N 24058-001, FCC ID N7R-MN900DS, ISC CNR-210 |
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| 04:34.58 | kadigibox | I google and dont get anything for the card |
| 04:34.59 | peterS | kadigibox: I'd google for the part number (24058-001). this works surprisingly often |
| 04:35.25 | peterS | Project: there's xrandr |
| 04:35.33 | Project | thats not it |
| 04:35.35 | Project | its a diff one |
| 04:35.39 | Project | xvidtune? |
| 04:35.42 | peterS | Project: and 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 04:35.42 | Project | is that it? |
| 04:35.42 | kadigibox | I tried already |
| 04:35.46 | peterS | also xvidtune, yeah |
| 04:35.48 | kadigibox | didnt get any results |
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| 04:36.21 | mwilson | Heh, no FCC ID on file. |
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| 04:36.29 | mwilson | Not that it's required, of course. |
| 04:37.11 | kadigibox | I am just wanting to know if its even worth keeping |
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| 04:37.25 | mwilson | http://www.ocr.ca/product_info.asp?Product_ID=5 |
| 04:37.29 | mwilson | Look familiar? |
| 04:37.32 | peterS | kadigibox: well, when do you anticipate buying another laptop that accepts minipci but doesn't come with wireless builtin? |
| 04:37.37 | mwilson | (why am I doing his work for him?) |
| 04:37.39 | kadigibox | cause I like the fact that I can plug my own antenna into it |
| 04:37.57 | [Blox] | kadigibox: if it works, it's worth keeping :) |
| 04:38.31 | mwilson | IRM900DS says it's not 802.11, but a 900 mhz device. |
| 04:38.40 | rking | is it just me or does it seem like so much of understanding other languages is just learning to pronounce the characters? i mean, i don't know a darn thing about russian except how to read a few of the chars, and about 1/5 words are guessable. why didn't anyone tell me that's all i had to learn? |
| 04:38.56 | kadigibox | doesnt look familior cause the card doesnt have that sticker on it |
| 04:39.04 | kadigibox | but yah it is 900mhz |
| 04:39.20 | daffy-pkf | is there a way to reinstall all the packages intalled? |
| 04:39.21 | kadigibox | thats another thing I know cause the antenna is labled 900mhz |
| 04:39.25 | mwilson | I really don't think you want to bother with this thing, What're you planning on interoperating with? |
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| 04:39.47 | mwilson | I've got one of Telxon's 900 mhz AP's... but you have to have a license to operate it. |
| 04:39.57 | kadigibox | you do? |
| 04:40.00 | mwilson | Yep. |
| 04:40.04 | kadigibox | why? |
| 04:40.11 | mwilson | Because that's the law. |
| 04:40.25 | mwilson | Operating in that frequency range requires a license. |
| 04:40.34 | peterS | wait, don't cordless home phones live around 900 MHz? |
| 04:40.40 | kadigibox | thats awkward. |
| 04:40.46 | mwilson | But they're part 15 devices in a very specific band. |
| 04:40.59 | mwilson | 900 mhz AP's aren't part 15. |
| 04:41.02 | kadigibox | cause my cable modem has 900mhz access point |
| 04:41.10 | RabidDog | mwilson: is that a US only law? |
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| 04:41.32 | mwilson | RabidDog: Well, yeah, that IS what we're talking about. |
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| 04:41.37 | peterS | RabidDog: the FCC only has jurisdiction in the US. other countries license bands separately |
| 04:41.41 | RabidDog | okay wasn't sure |
| 04:41.49 | mwilson | A cable modem with a 900 mhz access point in it? Unlikely. |
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| 04:42.05 | mwilson | Not impossible, but highly unlikely. |
| 04:42.10 | servus | Every single apt-get command wants to remove Apache2 for some inexplicable reason. How can I tell it to ignore Apache2 so I can carry on with my [completely un-Apache-related] business? |
| 04:42.31 | kadigibox | its the only reason I have a spectrum 24 PCI card in my computer |
| 04:42.43 | jkaufman | mwilson: have you ever heard of a laptop (Compaq Presario R4000 AMD 64 Athlon) absolutly not allowing linux to be intalled? i'v tried 4 different distros now and none of them seem to boot the install.. deb just stops when its probing hardware and the screen just goes black |
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| 04:43.15 | peterS | jkaufman: dude are you installing debian for i386 or debian for amd64? both will boot on an amd64 but possibly the amd64 one will work better |
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| 04:43.24 | jkaufman | amd64 |
| 04:44.45 | daffy-pkf | is there a way to get all the liness a cut command gives me on one line? each original line separated by a space |
| 04:44.56 | peterS | daffy-pkf: echo $(...cut...) |
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| 04:45.24 | peterS | daffy-pkf: or ...cut... | tr '\n' ' ' |
| 04:45.48 | jkaufman | brb going to try somthing else |
| 04:45.55 | daffy-pkf | peterS> thanks |
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| 04:47.37 | eps | hi, I installed cups and via gnome desktop -> admin -> printing added my printer (auto detected) and I can't print anything to it (not test pages or anything) |
| 04:47.40 | eps | suggestions? |
| 04:48.13 | YaleR | eps, |
| 04:48.25 | YaleR | check the error log /var/log/cups/ |
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| 04:50.00 | m3n0lly | servus: usually when that happens, i let it do that then reinstall the package(s) it uninstalled |
| 04:50.07 | TheStick | !python |
| 04:50.07 | dpkg | python is probably a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it, or see http://python.org/topics/learn/ |
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| 04:50.20 | eps | YaleR it suggests installing esp ghost script (installing it now) - will advise |
| 04:51.02 | YaleR | heh... |
| 04:51.05 | YaleR | nerd |
| 04:51.12 | servus | I already did, m3n0lly. |
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| 04:51.47 | servus | My apt-get is ferocious lately. For instance, apt-get remove kedit recommends I delete KDE :) |
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| 04:52.32 | daffy-pkf | how can i choose the width of the 'dpkg -l' output? i need it to be large enough so that packages names are not cut |
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| 04:52.52 | peterS | daffy-pkf: you can force it with 'COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l' or similar |
| 04:53.37 | daffy-pkf | peterS> great, thanks a lot :) |
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| 04:54.09 | gadis | apa ada yang dr indonesia? |
| 04:54.19 | eps | YaleR thank you so much :D ...this assignment is due in an hour or so I'm going to run off once the job is finished :D |
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| 04:55.50 | YaleR | :) np |
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| 04:59.28 | mr_ | people I need gnome 2.11.90, do you know in where repo is available ?? |
| 04:59.50 | YaleR | probably experimental |
| 04:59.50 | mr_ | I searched in the site, but I cannot find any thing |
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| 05:00.08 | bob2 | pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org |
| 05:00.11 | bob2 | if it's anywhere |
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| 05:00.44 | mr_ | I cannot found those packages and I need it for a reason.. |
| 05:00.57 | mr_ | bob2 what is that page ?? |
| 05:00.57 | bob2 | and the reason is? |
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| 05:01.28 | mr_ | the reason, a critic for a magazine. |
| 05:01.51 | YaleR | heh |
| 05:02.02 | YaleR | we all know what pc magazines have to say about linux |
| 05:02.05 | YaleR | lets burn him! |
| 05:02.09 | YaleR | :P |
| 05:02.23 | mr_ | yes, but its for linux journal :-) |
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| 05:02.38 | TheStick | magazines are evil! |
| 05:02.57 | mr_ | TheStick : indeed. |
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| 05:03.27 | TheStick | :P |
| 05:03.36 | mr_ | sure |
| 05:03.47 | mr_ | the crap of the craps.. |
| 05:03.52 | mr_ | :), but is the work man. |
| 05:04.14 | mr_ | I dont use debian, in fact, and I hate gnome |
| 05:04.17 | TheStick | well I hope it gets you good money :P |
| 05:04.28 | mr_ | not at all.. but enough |
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| 05:04.45 | mr_ | I use fluxbox or kde, and slackware/freebsd. |
| 05:04.59 | mr_ | and in all the net I cannot find the packages for gnome 2.11.90 |
| 05:05.18 | mr_ | I got some sources, but.. I dont know yet. |
| 05:05.21 | TheStick | you might find a live cd with gnome 2.11.9 or something |
| 05:05.37 | mr_ | TheStick , yes ? |
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| 05:05.56 | mr_ | I cannot find anyone, tell me please. |
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| 05:06.40 | mr_ | Im talking here with kde 3.4.90 |
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| 05:06.57 | TheStick | well, if that gnome version just got released, there is little chance you will find binary packages |
| 05:07.01 | mr_ | but Is very complex to me the items about gnome, I dont like/use gnome, and even in my slackware. |
| 05:07.28 | mr_ | but still is not released |
| 05:08.12 | mr_ | Im getting that: ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/platform/2.11/2.11.90/ |
| 05:08.18 | mr_ | there are some tarball's |
| 05:08.28 | mr_ | but realize to compile gnome |
| 05:08.38 | mr_ | a truly shit. |
| 05:08.40 | bob2 | so use garnom or jhbuild |
| 05:08.53 | bob2 | why are you reviewing gnome if you already dislike it? |
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| 05:09.27 | TheStick | bob2: a journalist's gotta do what a journalist's gotta do! |
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| 05:09.32 | TheStick | :P |
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| 05:10.20 | bob2 | mr_: #gnome-debian on irc.gimp.org |
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| 05:10.33 | mr_ | TheStick , that is not. |
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| 05:10.49 | mr_ | you say, oo im so big, im fucking a journalist.. is a very childist |
| 05:10.58 | mr_ | thing. |
| 05:10.58 | bob2 | wtf |
| 05:11.02 | TheStick | hey, i'm just kidding, dude |
| 05:11.03 | zaplutus | I was wondering if someone can tell me or point me in the right direction for making a .info file for an apache module. Ive looked all through google and can't seem the find the proper documentation |
| 05:11.11 | mr_ | if them request me to talk about gnome |
| 05:11.18 | peterS | mr_: bob2 still has a good question. why are you reviewing gnome if you already hate it? do you think you're likely to produce a useful review of something you hate? |
| 05:11.20 | mr_ | I must do it. |
| 05:11.36 | TheStick | mr_: that's what I'm saying, you gotta do your job |
| 05:11.39 | mr_ | of course. I used gnome for two or three years |
| 05:11.49 | mr_ | In my freebsd I have gnome |
| 05:11.53 | mr_ | the 2.1x |
| 05:12.09 | mr_ | but in my work of every day in my slackware I have the development version of kde |
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| 05:12.21 | mr_ | slackware current with that, easy. |
| 05:12.35 | TheStick | mr_: actually, that gnome version is too recent, I doubt somebody already packages |
| 05:12.39 | peterS | mr_: I doubt it's any easier to build a system with an unreleased version of gnome on debian than it is anywhere else |
| 05:12.47 | peterS | mr_: and as such, your whole line of questions is pretty offtopic here |
| 05:12.50 | peterS | mr_: ask #slackware |
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| 05:13.10 | mr_ | not at all. I know there are no slackware packages. |
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| 05:13.20 | mr_ | So i ask you about that item of a distro is not the one I use. |
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| 05:13.38 | peterS | mr_: bob2 will probably hurt me if I mention #ubuntu, but ubuntu does have a pretty cozy relationship with the gnome developers |
| 05:13.57 | TheStick | yeah, mobutu is pretty gnome-ish |
| 05:14.00 | mr_ | I dont like ubuntu. I tried that, and is a truly shit. |
| 05:14.06 | asuffield | that would be "co$y" |
| 05:14.07 | peterS | TheStick: mobutu? he's dead |
| 05:14.09 | mr_ | kubuntu was. |
| 05:14.12 | peterS | asuffield: oh yeah |
| 05:14.13 | bob2 | wtf |
| 05:14.18 | TheStick | peterS: that's how we call ubuntu :P |
| 05:14.27 | peterS | TheStick: you follow central african politics, then? |
| 05:14.31 | bob2 | mr_: please take your semi-coherent rants somewhere more approriate |
| 05:14.42 | streuner | hm |
| 05:14.49 | mr_ | bob2 ? |
| 05:14.49 | TheStick | peterS: not really |
| 05:15.09 | streuner | Who invented the name 'ubuntu'? |
| 05:15.10 | bob2 | mr_: I told you where to find out if there are packages or not |
| 05:15.19 | bob2 | streuner: mark shuttleworth chose it |
| 05:15.26 | asuffield | yeah, I'm sure this has been deeply fascinating or something, but |
| 05:15.27 | bob2 | it's an existing zulu word, iirc |
| 05:15.30 | asuffield | mr_: piss off |
| 05:15.30 | peterS | TheStick: I suppose most of the world remembers mobutu as a guy whose relatives are some of the many many people allegedly sending nigerian spam (: |
| 05:15.35 | streuner | of course, he has the money :-) |
| 05:15.41 | mr_ | why those kinds of semi-geekish attacks against me. Be serious, and clever speacially. Dont kid me, please. |
| 05:15.45 | bob2 | streuner: yup |
| 05:16.07 | bob2 | mr_: ok, enough. I told you where to find out what you want to know. |
| 05:16.10 | peterS | mr_: you got your answer. debian doesn't have gnome 2.11 packages. bob2 told you where to look for where they're being developed, if they are. |
| 05:16.35 | asuffield | somebody boot this fool, I need to go take a shower |
| 05:16.55 | TheStick | peterS: yeaaah I received one of those mails of an african guy looking for an account to transfer money and stuff... :D |
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| 05:17.38 | peterS | TheStick: mobutu was the richest ruler in the world, I think. the swiss eventually froze his assets but even so he was living pretty large. but he's living no longer, so. |
| 05:17.41 | mr_ | yes. but the addons for the ideas are very unnecesaries. Thnks for the help to those who were clever, not the case of bob2. Take care guys, and some of you, grow up. |
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| 05:18.10 | peterS | oooh, bob2 wasn't one of the clever ones |
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| 05:18.13 | peterS | I wonder what that was supposed to mean |
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| 05:18.22 | bob2 | wtf |
| 05:18.32 | TheStick | bob2 is gonna h4c|< his 4ss! |
| 05:18.39 | bob2 | that's the least coherent journalist I've ever seen |
| 05:18.55 | TheStick | I think he must be polish or something |
| 05:19.04 | TheStick | weird english |
| 05:19.07 | peterS | bob2: oh yeah, he's a journalist. I hope he's writing for the spanish edition of LJ |
| 05:19.14 | peterS | TheStick: IP address is in argentina |
| 05:19.38 | TheStick | oh...well that's bad news for them |
| 05:19.49 | TheStick | they're gonna think gnome is crappy! yay! |
| 05:20.03 | peterS | the ones who can decipher his writing will think that, yeah |
| 05:20.17 | libertine | any body who install anjuta2.0 success,please tell me |
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| 05:22.04 | daffy-pkf | is there a way to list all paquets wich priority is said raquired? installed or not |
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| 05:22.17 | daffy-pkf | (required) |
| 05:22.42 | bob2 | "packages" |
| 05:22.51 | bob2 | and use grep-dctrl |
| 05:23.23 | daffy-pkf | bob2> grep-dctrl? |
| 05:23.31 | bob2 | indeed |
| 05:23.38 | bob2 | this is where you go run 'apt-cache show grep-dctrl' |
| 05:24.12 | daffy-pkf | bob2> thanks |
| 05:24.17 | karthick | guys i am new to this linux i installed debian 3.1r0a sarge after install i am at the login after login i get just the login prompt like in dos how to get the graphical desktop like in fedora and suse |
| 05:24.22 | karthick | any hlp plz |
| 05:24.22 | peterS | daffy-pkf: it's a little annoying to figure out, so when you've installed it, run: grep-available -n -Fpriority -spackage required |
| 05:24.30 | karthick | i really want to move |
| 05:24.46 | bob2 | DOES had a login prompt? |
| 05:24.50 | bob2 | er, DOS |
| 05:24.56 | aicra | uh... x? |
| 05:25.01 | karthick | c: prompt |
| 05:25.05 | bob2 | karthick: login and run 'apt-get install x-window-system-core' |
| 05:25.13 | daffy-pkf | peterS> ok |
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| 05:25.50 | jm_ | karthick: that's a shell prompt, not a login prompt |
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| 05:25.55 | pepsi | hio |
| 05:26.07 | karthick | is there any book i can learn to go further |
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| 05:26.26 | karthick | or step by step installation guide |
| 05:26.33 | Project | i cant start xfree |
| 05:26.40 | Project | after i install nvidia driver |
| 05:26.48 | Project | is there a xfree-config |
| 05:26.53 | bob2 | shock |
| 05:26.54 | bob2 | horror |
| 05:26.59 | Project | OMG |
| 05:26.59 | peterS | karthick: well start by installing the x-window-system package (apt-get install x-window-system) or if you want a specific graphical environment, install that too ('apt-get install gnome' for example) |
| 05:27.06 | bob2 | PROPRIETARY DRIVERS IN SYSTEM FUCKUP SHOCKER |
| 05:27.18 | Project | u mean... |
| 05:27.18 | karthick | ok |
| 05:27.20 | Project | i dont like u |
| 05:27.29 | TheStick | bob2: hey, at least you get decent performances with 'em |
| 05:27.30 | Azar | u who? |
| 05:27.35 | karthick | i will try that |
| 05:27.43 | karthick | bye |
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| 05:27.46 | pepsi | there seems be a lack of verbs here |
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| 05:28.02 | bob2 | you're welcome to not like me |
| 05:28.23 | Azar | I like bob2, in fact, a lot |
| 05:28.26 | TheStick | thank you *grin* |
| 05:28.41 | Project | xfree-config no work |
| 05:28.50 | peterS | Project: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:28.56 | Azar | Project, if you do not like bob2, it will not work |
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| 05:29.01 | glick | hey everyone! |
| 05:29.01 | Project | =P |
| 05:29.16 | glick | i almost have a cool new limrick for fortune -o |
| 05:29.21 | glick | i need the killer last line |
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| 05:29.34 | Azar | peterS I do not know why I have the feeling that Project worked with nVidia installer :) |
| 05:29.42 | Project | no |
| 05:29.44 | Project | i used the one liner |
| 05:29.52 | Project | =P |
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| 05:30.10 | Azar | oh well then do what peterS said, and don't forget to change "nv" for "nvidia" |
| 05:30.10 | bob2 | glick: /msg me when you plan to usefully contribute to any of these channels |
| 05:31.07 | Project | hrm |
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| 05:31.19 | Project | wait |
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| 05:31.22 | Project | doesnt the one liner cover that? |
| 05:31.36 | Azar | I assume ... is more than one year I used it |
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| 05:32.49 | Shaun | where can i find the pxe images for debian? |
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| 05:34.28 | peterS | Shaun: should be http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ according to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status, but that appears to be MIA |
| 05:34.35 | srid | hello |
| 05:34.35 | x-Al1gma | hello srid |
| 05:34.50 | srid | cool, IRC over jabber works! I hope my nick is 'srid' |
| 05:34.58 | srid | and I am 'identified' by nick server |
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| 05:36.09 | atrus | srid: cool. what transport are you using? |
| 05:36.32 | srid | atrus: I am using irc.e.jabber.ru server, no idea about the transport software |
| 05:36.44 | srid | and using jabber service from jabber.org.au through port 443 |
| 05:36.51 | srid | so I could get over the company firewall :) |
| 05:37.03 | Vinland | I'm trying to set it up so when user 'rob' logs into my ftp server he is automatically chrooted into directory /var/www/html/rob. WHen I try and log in with the password it says 'oops cannot change directory to /var/www/html/rob' The /var/www/html/rob folder is owned by rob and has full perms and it still wont work. Any suggestions |
| 05:37.30 | Project | where is xfree config file located? |
| 05:37.44 | Project | in ? /etc/xfree.config? |
| 05:37.59 | atrus | srid: try a private message? |
| 05:38.02 | streuner | Project: why? |
| 05:38.12 | Project | gonna re add the -nvidia line |
| 05:38.16 | TheStick | Project: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 05:38.21 | Project | thanks |
| 05:38.33 | jm_ | Vinland: did you try enabling debugging for your FTP server process? |
| 05:38.33 | TheStick | np :) |
| 05:38.49 | srid | atrus: got your PM .. and I am using gaim |
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| 05:39.04 | srid | but gaim sucks for IRC |
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| 05:41.09 | cafuego | srid: You're not identified. |
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| 05:43.06 | srid | cafuego: yes, I have to manually do that. What about now? |
| 05:43.17 | punsad | how to avoid upgrading a particular package so I can answer "Y" to apt-get update and upgrade all the other packages |
| 05:43.19 | cafuego | srid: Now you're identified. |
| 05:43.28 | punsad | ? |
| 05:43.34 | srid | ok |
| 05:43.47 | cafuego | srid: You can tell gaim to use your nickserv pass when you connect, that should autoidentify you. |
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| 05:44.02 | punsad | oh... and another thing... which I do apt-cache search foo.. I get a segmentation fault. Any ideas? |
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| 05:44.17 | ke6isf | !hold punsad |
| 05:44.19 | jm_ | punsad: put it on hold |
| 05:44.26 | ke6isf | wait, wrong command... |
| 05:44.36 | ke6isf | !hold |
| 05:44.36 | dpkg | i heard hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect. Use 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold. |
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| 05:45.15 | daffy-pkf | is debootstrap installing ONLY packages wich priority is marked as required? |
| 05:45.27 | bob2 | it installs base |
| 05:45.31 | bob2 | well, it has it's own list |
| 05:45.34 | bob2 | which you could just look at |
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| 05:46.10 | punsad | any ideas about why I get the segmentation fault which apt-cache search. (the echo packagename hold | thing worked ;) |
| 05:46.19 | fallrain | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.24 | peterS | bob2: recent debootstrap can just read Packages and derive a list at runtime, no? I seem to have heard that from aj's talk anyway |
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| 05:46.58 | punsad | another problem... I got a random "the dungeuon falls... you die" error message and had to reboot. Does this mean I'm hacked? |
| 05:47.16 | bob2 | ah, I didn't know that |
| 05:47.22 | tarzeau | punsad: in screen ? |
| 05:47.34 | sanxiyn | punsad: screen with nethack option? |
| 05:48.18 | punsad | screen was running... yes. but no nethack option...just did screen btdownloadcurses foo.torrent. It was running in a detached screen when I got this error. |
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| 05:49.08 | punsad | I thought I was hacked... esp since 'ls' didn't work. But now after rebooting... all seems well. Chkrootkit shows no problems. |
| 05:49.18 | tarzeau | punsad: did you do a glibc upgrade? |
| 05:49.37 | punsad | not that I know of |
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| 05:49.45 | jkaufman | peterS: i'm going to get the netinst image, but which one is the amd64 one? (my assumtions that it was ia64 have been proven wrong heh) |
| 05:50.36 | liable | !amd64 |
| 05:50.37 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 05:50.45 | peterS | jkaufman: right, ia64 is Itanium, a *completely* different beast. for amd64 see http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/ |
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| 05:51.10 | jkaufman | thnx bud:) |
| 05:51.33 | Azar | debian birthday today.. do we get any perks with this occasion? |
| 05:51.35 | punsad | tarzeau: so do you think the "dungeon... you die" think came from screen? |
| 05:51.43 | streuner | peterS: 'Beast' hehe :-) |
| 05:52.05 | peterS | Azar: well, let's see what you win... |
| 05:52.06 | peterS | !win Azar |
| 05:52.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, Azar! You have won the US presidency! |
| 05:52.18 | rking | punsad: that message definitely comes from screen - it's the nethack-branded segfault |
| 05:52.19 | Azar | :) hey thanks |
| 05:52.23 | exobyte | I have an os kernel, a tftp server, a nfs server, and the root dir. What do I need to do to set up a network boot? |
| 05:52.33 | rking | punsad: i used to see that all the time when i was on this buggy screen(1) |
| 05:52.47 | punsad | rking: that's a relief. and it explains it best since there really is no sign of security breach |
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| 05:52.51 | Azar | I never liked playing nethack in X, command line console is better |
| 05:52.54 | tarzeau | punsad: yes |
| 05:53.03 | tarzeau | punsad: look for "nethack on" in .screenrc |
| 05:53.06 | pepsi | apparently debian removes the option to build the firmware for keyspan usb-serial converters |
| 05:53.07 | jm_ | exobyte: bootp/dhcp server, there are howtos, so it's worth reading about it |
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| 05:53.17 | tarzeau | Azar: it's okay in a terminal with black background without screen |
| 05:53.36 | pepsi | how can i put the drivers for the firmware back into the kernel source? |
| 05:53.38 | ardi | hi to all any one can tell me where to download and install TCL Lib in a debian box ? |
| 05:53.40 | briankeys | Hi all! I've been using VNC to control my box (GNOME). Is there a better/more efficient way to control it remotely? |
| 05:53.52 | cafuego | briankeys: ssh |
| 05:53.57 | briankeys | besides ssh :) |
| 05:54.02 | tarzeau | briankeys: vnc3 or 4? ssh -CX is nice |
| 05:54.05 | briankeys | vnc 4 |
| 05:54.10 | tarzeau | briankeys: probably not with GNOME though :) |
| 05:54.12 | exobyte | jm_: I'm looking... |
| 05:54.15 | briankeys | hoho :) |
| 05:54.21 | tarzeau | briankeys: i use wmaker/amiwm for remote sessions |
| 05:54.24 | jm_ | ardi: it's the same as with any package - you find its name and install it |
| 05:54.27 | sanxiyn | briankeys: VNC works for me. |
| 05:54.32 | briankeys | theres no such thing as an x client for windows, right? :) |
| 05:54.40 | sanxiyn | briankeys: Of course there are. |
| 05:54.41 | peterS | briankeys: vnc is not bad, rdesktop is also not bad. you can try both and see what you think. not sure what's available as an rdesktop server in debian though |
| 05:54.42 | punsad | briankeys: Xdeep |
| 05:54.55 | liable | pepsi: theres an option in the kernel config for that. i guess you have to compile one.. |
| 05:54.55 | peterS | briankeys: certainly there are X clients for Windows |
| 05:54.58 | briankeys | ahh.. mm, i forgot to mentoin that i was controlling the machien from windows :) |
| 05:55.15 | sanxiyn | peterS: Is there any free rdesktop server? |
| 05:55.15 | pepsi | liable, ther eis not an option in the kernel config for that |
| 05:55.17 | peterS | briankeys: you mean X *servers* then. there are those too |
| 05:55.18 | jm_ | there's XFree86 for Windows |
| 05:55.19 | punsad | briankeys: Xdeep is a free X windows system for Windows |
| 05:55.27 | peterS | sanxiyn: I was thinking there was, but I haven't really checked |
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| 05:55.36 | pepsi | liable, thats the problem.. i want to put it back in there |
| 05:55.59 | sanxiyn | briankeys: There's also Cygwin X. |
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| 05:56.14 | sanxiyn | (Works quite well. Cygwin was the first to switch to Xorg, FWIW.) |
| 05:56.19 | cpeikert | hey folks, I have a bizarre situation that I've been working on for hours and can't fix |
| 05:56.19 | briankeys | hmm, now if I use Xdeep, im assuming I just point it at the server's IP and thats all? |
| 05:56.27 | sanxiyn | briankeys: Yes. |
| 05:56.30 | briankeys | excellent. |
| 05:56.35 | briankeys | also, One more thing: I'm using and old Voodoo3 in a modern box, but I chose VESA as the (driver?). Its limited to 800x600 for all that I can tell. How can I get a better resolution? |
| 05:56.39 | punsad | I've found |
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| 05:56.41 | jm_ | you'll need DM running on it |
| 05:56.56 | punsad | I've found vnc to be just as good as remote X in some cases |
| 05:57.08 | sanxiyn | jm_: Not necessarily... if one just pulls an app or two. |
| 05:57.13 | briankeys | vnc seems to be rather network intensive :) |
| 05:57.23 | cpeikert | when I boot up, soon after ide probes I am prompted to "enter passphrase." no context, no idea what it's for |
| 05:57.28 | cpeikert | anyone know what might be causing this? |
| 05:57.34 | sanxiyn | (And on Windows, I don't use X in fullscreen mode.) |
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| 05:58.01 | peterS | briankeys: yeah, vnc is. rdc (windows remote desktop) is a lot better but there may not be a free server for that in debian. I haven't checked |
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| 05:58.28 | liable | pepsi: device drivers-> generic drivers-> prevent firmware from being built. |
| 05:58.29 | servus | cpeikert: Perhaps SMB Mounts |
| 05:58.29 | jm_ | sanxiyn: right, that's also an option |
| 05:58.31 | briankeys | yeah. I've become used to rdc, and loving it :) |
| 05:58.40 | rking | cpeikert: that's weird... sounds like an fsck failure, but you're saying no context. could it be ssh-agent somehow? |
| 05:58.51 | servus | Check your /etc/fstab |
| 05:58.53 | liable | pepsi: dunno if thats what your after.. |
| 05:58.54 | cpeikert | i don't think it could be -- it's VERY early in the boot process |
| 05:59.13 | sanxiyn | peterS: apt-cache search suggests there is none... |
| 05:59.23 | jm_ | ahh I see Xdeep has xcl, similar to ReflectionX |
| 05:59.56 | cpeikert | fstab doesn't seem to be it; I have encrypted swap but I've set it unencrypted with no change |
| 06:00.02 | peterS | sanxiyn: yeah |
| 06:00.13 | streuner | jm_: in which cases do you use 'Xdeep' at all? |
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| 06:00.43 | jm_ | cpeikert: it might also be from a daemon that uses a certificate, such as https server for example - is this an option in your case? |
| 06:00.57 | pepsi | liable, right.. its deeper than that.. debian doesnt like the license that keyspan put on their firmware so they dont include it with the kernel sources |
| 06:01.01 | cpeikert | the passphrase prompt comes right after IDE probes, way before the network or any init.d processes start |
| 06:01.03 | jm_ | streuner: it's an X server for Windows, lets you run X apps |
| 06:01.09 | sanxiyn | streuner: Alternative to VNC. |
| 06:01.11 | jm_ | ahh so that's not it |
| 06:01.17 | cpeikert | yeah it's VERY puzzling. |
| 06:01.22 | sanxiyn | (Or, when remote machine doesn't happen to run VNC.) |
| 06:01.30 | liable | pepsi: ok. I know nothing about that, I just remembered seeing that, so thought i would point it out :) |
| 06:01.49 | cpeikert | i don't know when this started because I was about 100 days uptime.. though it may have asked before that, I don't know |
| 06:01.59 | daffy-pkf | hmmmm, how to rmove a dir that start by '--', rm take it as an option |
| 06:02.11 | cpeikert | it's very annoying because I can't do unattended bootup |
| 06:02.18 | sanxiyn | daffy-pkf: rm -- --something. |
| 06:02.21 | jm_ | well just stick set -x in init.d scripts to find it |
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| 06:02.38 | daffy-pkf | sanxiyn> ho yes i forgot that thing :) thanks |
| 06:02.42 | servus | cpeikert: Have you studied your /var/log/messages? |
| 06:02.46 | briankeys | Another Q: I'm using a Voodoo3 in a modern box, but I chose VESA as the (driver?). Its limited to 800x600 for all that I can tell. How can I get a better resolution? Should I use a different mode? |
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| 06:03.55 | streuner | briankeys: use a driver for your videocard |
| 06:03.58 | peterS | briankeys: the tdfx X driver should work with voodoo3 |
| 06:04.01 | cpeikert | yep.. not too helpful. it probes hda, then asks for passphrase, then "kjournald starting" |
| 06:04.07 | ke6isf | !tell briankeys -about voodoo3 |
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| 06:04.17 | streuner | briankeys: VESA is a standard |
| 06:04.22 | streuner | dpkg, vesa |
| 06:04.22 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. |
| 06:04.35 | briankeys | hmm |
| 06:04.41 | cpeikert | so it's asking for passphrase around the time my main partition is being mounted (read-only, maybe) |
| 06:05.06 | JackyChan | ive just setup a wireless lan interface. using ndiswrapper its all configured properly, but i cannot ping my dhcp wireless 4 port adsl router or anything online. i noticed that my route table had nothing , so i attempted to: route add default gw 10.0.0.138 and got network is unreachable. i also have a eth0 , i can tell my wlan0 is working because its got rx and tx packets |
| 06:05.08 | peterS | briankeys: tdfx is so named because someone somewhere had a problem with driver names that begin with digits. anyway it's what you want |
| 06:05.14 | briankeys | ahh |
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| 06:05.20 | servus | briankeys: Use the tdfx driver. |
| 06:05.22 | streuner | briankeys: helpful is always in debian the chipset (lspci -v | grep VGA) in your case |
| 06:05.26 | briankeys | okay, fair enough. Now, how do I go back and change the driver? :) |
| 06:05.34 | peterS | briankeys: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:05.49 | JackyChan | peterS: any idea's ? :P |
| 06:05.49 | briankeys | excellent! |
| 06:05.51 | cpeikert | this problem is a real bastard -- can't find anything on google about it |
| 06:05.54 | briankeys | i need to man up on dpkg :) |
| 06:06.01 | servus | briankeys: http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=1331 |
| 06:06.11 | sep | JackyChan, you must have 2 routes in your table for a network card to function, 1 route to the subnet your network card is in, and 1 route to the defaultgw. |
| 06:06.27 | streuner | briankeys: lspci -v | grep VGA |
| 06:06.39 | briankeys | streuner, yes, i've done that :) |
| 06:06.41 | JackyChan | sep: hmm |
| 06:06.41 | peterS | sep: I suspect his problem is more 802.11 side than routing table side |
| 06:06.45 | JackyChan | got any examples |
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| 06:07.01 | streuner | briankeys: Can you tell us your little secret? ;-) |
| 06:07.11 | JackyChan | peterS: hows that? |
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| 06:07.18 | peterS | streuner: he told us it was a voodoo3. that's pretty specific |
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| 06:07.28 | briankeys | thanks, peterS :) |
| 06:07.39 | Spritee | Hello, I'm lookin for a program that can convert pdf to jpeg. I'm having a hard time finding any. Any recommendations? |
| 06:07.48 | peterS | http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/Status2.html#2 for information about the voodoo3 |
| 06:08.00 | cpeikert | anybody have any other ideas about the passphrase? it's asking just before kjournald starts.... |
| 06:08.19 | rking | Spritee: does imagemagick's "convert" not do that? (possibly because that's a weird conversion jpg doesn't do text well) |
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| 06:08.45 | briankeys | peterS, thanks for your help :) i'll take it from here! |
| 06:08.53 | peterS | briankeys: good luck dude |
| 06:08.58 | rking | cpeikert: oh, i wonder if you have a password-protected drive or some hooey |
| 06:09.02 | servus | Spritee: Try looking for a PDF->Postscript, then Postscript->Image converter. |
| 06:09.39 | cpeikert | i shouldn't -- the partitions are unencrypted |
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| 06:09.56 | rking | Spritee: "convert glub.pdf glub.jpg" |
| 06:10.00 | cpeikert | and i can't see it being at the BIOS level or whatever |
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| 06:10.13 | sanxiyn | Yes, convert does handle that. |
| 06:10.22 | sanxiyn | (Provided one has Ghostscript installed, etc.) |
| 06:10.26 | Azar | I finally found the article about the DCCA it spells it clearly what is goals are. I am glad Debian is not part of it. |
| 06:10.36 | peterS | cpeikert: so if you just hit enter at the passphrase prompt, what fails? |
| 06:10.51 | cpeikert | nothing fails! it's amazing. |
| 06:11.06 | asuffield | could probably do it with ghostscript directly, but I expect convert just invokes it |
| 06:11.10 | gravity | Azar: They haven't really approached Debian |
| 06:11.11 | cpeikert | and when I enter one of my passphrases, nothing seems to "work better" either |
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| 06:11.18 | gravity | It's sorta this handwavy crap |
| 06:11.23 | asuffield | gs certainly has pdf input and jpeg output |
| 06:11.27 | gravity | "Oh yeah! We'll totally work with Debian!" |
| 06:11.34 | gravity | Meanwhile... Debian is like... ? |
| 06:11.40 | Azar | gravity, I like the Debian as is, and I would be dissapointed if Debian would go for that stuff |
| 06:12.03 | gravity | Azar: Well, we'll see what happens. |
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| 06:12.20 | asuffield | probably the same thing that happened all the other times |
| 06:12.20 | asuffield | nothing |
| 06:12.23 | gravity | I like the idea, but if they don't want to actually work with us so much as say it and then just lift from us, then that's their deal |
| 06:12.27 | gravity | asuffield: Yeah |
| 06:12.40 | Azar | gravity you hae not read the articles from last week, Debian is reluctant to participate |
| 06:12.42 | gravity | It'll go away |
| 06:12.42 | asuffield | this is only like the fourth or fifth time in the past few years |
| 06:12.47 | peterS | somehow this is different from what userlinux was supposed to provide |
| 06:12.49 | peterS | but I can't figure out how |
| 06:12.58 | gravity | Azar: I've read the mailing list thread on the subject |
| 06:13.03 | bob2 | hah |
| 06:13.11 | gravity | Azar: They haven't approached us at all |
| 06:13.12 | bob2 | "Debian is reluctant to participate" |
| 06:13.16 | bob2 | participate in what? |
| 06:13.25 | cpeikert | in the bootup process, what happens immediately before an ext3 main partition is mounted? |
| 06:13.31 | Azar | DCCA bob2 |
| 06:13.33 | bob2 | has Ian explained wtf he's doing? |
| 06:13.36 | cpeikert | i'm trying to track down what script might be asking for this passphrase |
| 06:13.38 | jm_ | cpeikert: ls /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 06:13.40 | gravity | bob2: To everyone else |
| 06:13.41 | bob2 | Azar: yes, I know, but it doesn\t actually appear to exist |
| 06:13.54 | gravity | There's still nothing concrete |
| 06:13.55 | sanxiyn | What is DCCA? |
| 06:13.56 | peterS | cpeikert: you can find out for yourself, check the links in /etc/rcS.d/ that sort just before S35mountall.sh |
| 06:14.04 | gravity | Nor is there likely to be I guess |
| 06:14.16 | peterS | sanxiyn: DCC Alliance. DCC is the Debian Core Consortium |
| 06:14.19 | bob2 | sanxiyn: "Debian Core Consortium Alliance |
| 06:14.21 | cpeikert | jm_: ok, but is mountall the thing? I think it's asking me even before my /dev/hda1 is mounted read-only |
| 06:14.29 | bob2 | but DCC doesn\t include any Debian trademarks |
| 06:14.31 | bob2 | none at all |
| 06:14.37 | peterS | sanxiyn: it's all hot air at the moment - the only reason anyone cares is that someone brought up the use of the Debian trademark for something that wasn't quite Debian |
| 06:14.43 | gravity | heh |
| 06:14.45 | Azar | enterprise I guess , that is what they want |
| 06:15.03 | bob2 | Azar: and all anyone can do is guess |
| 06:15.16 | Azar | bob2 I heard that the trademark was threatened at one point |
| 06:15.18 | sanxiyn | Eh, and it "does" enterprise? |
| 06:15.21 | briankeys | peterS, err, how do I find the bus identifyer for the video card? :) |
| 06:15.25 | bob2 | I cant imagein why Debian is "reluctant" to sign on to some figment of someone's imagination |
| 06:15.28 | peterS | briankeys: ignore it, leave it blank |
| 06:15.37 | briankeys | fair enough! |
| 06:15.43 | peterS | briankeys: the reason that question is there is if you have 2 video cards of the same type, it has to know which one you want to use |
| 06:15.51 | briankeys | ahh |
| 06:16.00 | jm_ | cpeikert: S10checkroot.sh remounts / rw AFAIR |
| 06:16.41 | cpeikert | alright i'll check that out.... |
| 06:16.48 | Azar | well it looks like most of the articles on that theme go under "Debian" name when it actually is about Progeny |
| 06:17.54 | cpeikert | i think it is asking for a passphrase before any of the rcS.d scripts get run |
| 06:17.57 | Azar | while an article is called "More on the Debian Common Core..." readers think of Debian at first sight |
| 06:18.15 | bob2 | yes, which is reason #44 why the whole thing is dumb |
| 06:18.30 | sanxiyn | "Joining Progeny on the DCC initiative are: Credativ, Knoppix, LinEx, Linspire, Mepis, Sun Wah Linux, UserLinux, and Xandros, ..." |
| 06:18.31 | sanxiyn | Hm. |
| 06:18.38 | jm_ | cpeikert: that's easy to find out - enable bootlogd, if it asks before that then you're right, otherwise you're not |
| 06:18.49 | cpeikert | how do i enable bootlogd? |
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| 06:19.10 | cpeikert | and assuming i'm right, what the hell can I do then? if the kernel is asking for a passphrase, what am i to make of that? |
| 06:19.20 | jm_ | read its init script to find out |
| 06:19.27 | bob2 | the kernel won't be asking for a passphrase |
| 06:19.32 | bob2 | perhaps mount is |
| 06:19.39 | jm_ | indeed, it's mount if anything |
| 06:19.42 | sanxiyn | So they want to share efforts to develop custom Debian derivatives? |
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| 06:19.50 | peterS | Azar: yeah, and I wonder why Debian people might be reluctant to allow the use of the Debian name for something called Debian Common Core but which is not, in fact, common to Debian |
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| 06:20.03 | bob2 | nor actually involve Debian at all |
| 06:20.06 | cpeikert | i would expect it to be mount as well. how can i enable bootlogd? |
| 06:20.10 | bob2 | sanxiyn: that seems to be the future plan |
| 06:20.49 | sanxiyn | And the reason they just don't work with Debian proper is, because Debian doesn't play well with its derivatives? |
| 06:21.01 | sanxiyn | That sounds unfortunate? |
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| 06:21.04 | Azar | exactly, I guess they are using the Debian name creating lots of confusion among readers who do not know about all that flavors coming from it |
| 06:21.12 | peterS | sanxiyn: I think they know debian is huge and slow-moving and they want to be independent of this when necessary |
| 06:21.23 | sanxiyn | peterS: Makes sense. |
| 06:21.32 | sanxiyn | A bit like Ubuntu. |
| 06:21.48 | bob2 | sanxiyn: no, that's not the case |
| 06:21.49 | bob2 | afaik they never tried |
| 06:21.49 | bob2 | userlinux has not sent a single us |
| 06:21.49 | bob2 | eful patch to Debian |
| 06:21.49 | bob2 | despite claiming to work "inside Debian" |
| 06:21.50 | peterS | sanxiyn: this perceived necessity, of course, can also a perceived insult |
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| 06:21.57 | Coke | and X, and Y, and Z, and ... <a handful of other Debian-based> |
| 06:21.58 | RabidDog | if anyone watches Big Borther Live feed, right now is the time to watch it, it's a war zonbe |
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| 06:22.08 | peterS | poor bob2 gets teh lagkick |
| 06:22.19 | c_olin | Anyone here got Enlightenment DR17 running on Debian? |
| 06:22.23 | bob2 | that was ssh lag, this time |
| 06:22.33 | Azar | peterS I only can envision a core of derivatives rushing to please the commercial industry with a good looking, quickie OS that is in fact full of flaws |
| 06:22.50 | streuner | !e17 |
| 06:22.51 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 06:23.04 | peterS | Azar: right, and even if they don't, if they are perceived as a Debian core when they are not, in fact, this dilutes the Debian brand quite a lot |
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| 06:23.09 | cpeikert | thanks for the tips guys; gotta reboot to trace down this thing |
| 06:23.12 | streuner | this factoid is old |
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| 06:23.48 | Azar | peterS they even seem not to have an efficient and adequate support for their users, hence they flock here |
| 06:24.10 | sanxiyn | peterS: It does seem to be trademark misuse. |
| 06:24.16 | Coke | peterS: yeah, that is strange. |
| 06:24.44 | peterS | Azar: some distributions have adequate support channels, some don't. you can't blame them all |
| 06:24.44 | Azar | I think the same, they should not use Debian name for that kind of "enterprise" and "alliance" |
| 06:25.14 | Coke | Where's the site? |
| 06:25.23 | peterS | Azar: OTOH, the only thing all these companies have in common is a Debian derivation. that's what they want to build on. so 'debian common core' is quite descriptive. nothing that didn't include the word debian would be so descriptive. |
| 06:25.48 | Pezz453 | Any good Linux/Unix news sites out there? |
| 06:25.55 | peterS | Azar: that's ian's point, basically |
| 06:25.57 | Azar | peterS but they also use the Debian name to get the client's confidence |
| 06:26.21 | Azar | Pezz453 use OSNews.com |
| 06:26.41 | sanxiyn | Is osnews.com any good? |
| 06:26.50 | bob2 | no |
| 06:26.53 | Coke | from the press release "there will be a single set of packages, bit-identical to Debian Sarge in most if not all cases" |
| 06:26.54 | bob2 | it's quite useless |
| 06:26.55 | sanxiyn | I used to be a regular reader (and commenter), but I quit. |
| 06:26.56 | dbernar1 | hm...:) |
| 06:27.02 | Coke | sounds to me like they will be very compatible with Debian sarge. |
| 06:27.07 | sanxiyn | bob2: I agree to that, now. |
| 06:27.09 | exobyte | does this command look right? mount x.x.x.x:/foo /mnt/nfs |
| 06:27.16 | Pezz453 | bob2 whys that? |
| 06:27.17 | Azar | bob2 may be recommending something better |
| 06:27.17 | peterS | Coke: if it's bit-identical to debian sarge in *all* cases there's no point to the thing at all |
| 06:27.34 | streuner | Pezz453: http://lwn.net/ |
| 06:27.37 | bob2 | Pezz453: because they're almost all silly fanboys and girls of various htings |
| 06:27.43 | Pezz453 | bob2: eh, nevermind, i see what your sayin... |
| 06:27.45 | sanxiyn | peterS: Well, they could include a graphical installer. :-) |
| 06:27.47 | bob2 | lwn.net is good for serious linux journalism |
| 06:27.49 | peterS | exobyte: sure, if x.x.x.x is exporting /foo and gives your machine permission to it and you don't have any NAT or firewalls in the way |
| 06:27.55 | sanxiyn | (Then, .debs could be all same.) |
| 06:28.06 | Coke | peterS: you are talking to MEEEEE! you couldn't convince me to NOT use Debian even if you did bring me hookers. |
| 06:28.12 | exobyte | peterS: hmm- ok, couple things to check |
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| 06:28.37 | peterS | sanxiyn: but the graphical installer is precisely where every debian derivative wishes to differentiate itself! (: |
| 06:28.46 | sanxiyn | peterS: Hehe. |
| 06:28.50 | Coke | but if there has to be a plethora of "Debian" users not using Debian I'd rather have them use something that is as much as Debian as possible. |
| 06:29.11 | Azar | streuner, it seems that that site is not updating by the hour |
| 06:29.11 | peterS | sanxiyn: keep in mind that OS reviewers never do anything except run the installer and log in once. thus that's the only place to impress them |
| 06:29.23 | Coke | hehe. |
| 06:29.26 | cpeikert | hey guys, the saga gets more interesting: with bootlogd enabled, the passphrase is requested well before any boot messages are recorded |
| 06:29.46 | cpeikert | it's being asking before any rcS.d scripts get executed |
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| 06:29.59 | peterS | cpeikert: must be something in the initrd then |
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| 06:30.16 | peterS | cpeikert: mkinitrd probably thought you were using encrypted root filesystem or something |
| 06:30.35 | Coke | A Swedish computer magazine (it's for retards/middle management) tested server OS' and found that Windows 2000 was not only more stable than Solaris, Debian and Red Hat, it was more scalable too. (yes, it can run on any Pentium) |
| 06:30.44 | cpeikert | i'm using stock kernel-image-2.6.11... |
| 06:31.01 | cpeikert | is there a way to fix mkinitrd? |
| 06:31.41 | ke6isf | Coke: Who paid the magazine to publish that article? |
| 06:31.47 | peterS | cpeikert: well, you can mount the initrd itself using 'mount -t cramfs -o loop /root/initrd-img.$(uname -r) /initrd' and poke around, see if it's doing anything crypto-related |
| 06:31.50 | Azar | :) |
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| 06:32.01 | sanxiyn | Coke: And slow? |
| 06:32.18 | sanxiyn | (Not tried Solaris 10, but Slowaris is not just the name...) |
| 06:32.46 | peterS | cpeikert: substitute correct initrd filename there, I made a typo or two |
| 06:33.03 | cpeikert | yep, got it... i see dm-crypt and aes in the loadmodules file.... |
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| 06:33.26 | Coke | ke6isf: no, the editors of that magazine are just stupid, ignorant and lazy. |
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| 06:34.14 | mixter | hi! is there any howto or other documents for upgrading from mysql 4.0 to mysql 4.1 in sarge? |
| 06:34.28 | Coke | sanxiyn: they didn't test speed. although, the author said that even though he preffered Windows over anything else, he found that when installing the various OS' Windows gave the most time for coffee breaks. |
| 06:34.33 | sep | Coke, there is a fine line between malice and stupiditry |
| 06:34.47 | Coke | sep: c'mon. Windows 2000 more scalable than Debian? |
| 06:34.58 | Coke | sep: that's just plain laugh out loud stupid. :) |
| 06:35.02 | sanxiyn | Coke: Hahahahahaha |
| 06:35.26 | ke6isf | Coke: Yes. "Get yourself a cup of coffee" moments during the install. That is the most important criterion when reviewing operating system.s |
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| 06:35.35 | sanxiyn | Indeed, Windows takes longest time to install these days. |
| 06:35.38 | jm_ | mixter: nothing in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>? |
| 06:35.47 | dbernar1 | ke6isf: heh |
| 06:35.55 | sanxiyn | And reviewers review install only... |
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| 06:36.17 | peterS | sanxiyn: well, they also usually log in and see if they can find their favorite applications on the start menu |
| 06:36.19 | mixter | jm_: might be in the mysql-4.1 packages, but i would like to read before installing :-) could grab them from www.debian.org though |
| 06:36.21 | ke6isf | sanxiyn: Yet another reason OS/2 didn't get off the ground. They don't review beyond installation. But that's another story. |
| 06:36.24 | peterS | sanxiyn: if they aren't there they obviously aren't available for that OS |
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| 06:36.27 | Coke | Have someone translate their articles from the web. The publisher is IDG and the name of the magazine is Computer Sweden. |
| 06:36.36 | jm_ | mixter: downlaod the package and read it, aptitude has this handy download command |
| 06:36.43 | sanxiyn | peterS: rotfl |
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| 06:36.54 | mixter | jm_: ok! i'll try that! thanks... |
| 06:37.07 | Azar | maybe that magazine got discounted windows systems for that writing |
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| 06:37.57 | peterS | Azar: nobody pays for windows. either it comes free with your computer or you warez it. everyone knows that |
| 06:38.04 | sanxiyn | A mail from AM, good. |
| 06:38.11 | Coke | Azar: when was the last time Debian paid any magazine for ads? |
| 06:38.38 | peterS | Coke: oh maybe the DCC Alliance will buy ads |
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| 06:39.12 | ke6isf | Hmm... what happens if you pour coke and pepsi into the same glass? |
| 06:39.25 | peterS | ke6isf: #debian is what happens |
| 06:39.27 | c_olin | black hole |
| 06:39.35 | ke6isf | peterS: Heh =^_^=\ |
| 06:39.46 | Coke | ke6isf: it will start a chain reaction that has the potential to destroy all matter in the universe. |
| 06:39.50 | c_olin | black holes are more exciting |
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| 06:39.55 | jm_ | mixter: it looks like the package itself handles some of it - here's an entry from the Changelog: Improved 4.0 to 4.1 upgrade if /var/lib/mysql is a symlink |
| 06:40.01 | cpeikert | peterS: I reinstalled my kernel-image, which remade initrd. now it doesn't have any crypto things in it... |
| 06:40.02 | ke6isf | Hmm... "Dear Dr. Science...." |
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| 06:40.08 | peterS | ke6isf: I was all set to make my nickmask i=^_^=i but freenode wouldn't take ^_^=i for an ident string |
| 06:40.11 | cpeikert | so with any luck this fixed it. thanks!! |
| 06:40.14 | jkaufman | hey guys, have an AMD64 laptop, installing debian sarge with netinstall cd.. after it loads the kernel and pci modules(from what i could read it was going so fast =\) i get a blank screen and everything just hangs |
| 06:40.28 | jkaufman | i though i noticed an error, but it really flys by too quick to make it out |
| 06:40.35 | peterS | cpeikert: that oughtta do it, yeah |
| 06:40.43 | ke6isf | peterS: 'salright. Then again, I know a guy who makes do with O_o |
| 06:40.46 | cpeikert | awesome. should have come here a long time ago :) |
| 06:40.50 | cpeikert | muchas gracias |
| 06:40.52 | ke6isf | ...or is it o_O? I can't remember. |
| 06:41.03 | peterS | ke6isf: point is, freenode prefixes nickmasks with n= or i= now. I figured I could make use of that |
| 06:41.22 | ke6isf | peterS: Ah. =^^= |
| 06:41.27 | briankeys | peterS: as much as i'd like to try, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 runs through, saves, but nothing changes after a restart. :( |
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| 06:41.33 | peterS | ke6isf: apparently they aren't amused by ^ chars in the string though |
| 06:41.35 | ke6isf | peterS: Still don't know what the difference is between n= or N=. |
| 06:41.40 | bibe | jkaufman : what brand/model? |
| 06:41.41 | dbernar1 | c_olin: than #debian? |
| 06:41.45 | mixter | jm_: ok... that looks good! i'll read through the docs after downloading |
| 06:41.46 | Azar | Coke I can only say this: when ms resources to paid advertisement , it shows at least to say desperation |
| 06:41.46 | c_olin | yes |
| 06:41.47 | peterS | ke6isf: yeah I haven't read up on that yet either |
| 06:41.53 | mixter | jm_: thanks a lot! |
| 06:41.56 | c_olin | just barely |
| 06:42.00 | pepsi | ke6isf, they changed from capital to lowercase.. people that havent disconnected yet are still capital |
| 06:42.01 | jkaufman | bibe: Compaq Presario R4000 AMD 64 Athlon 1gb ram |
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| 06:42.05 | sanxiyn | mixter: Beware that downgrading to 4.0 is not supported... |
| 06:42.22 | sanxiyn | mixter: But upgrading should cause no problem, from my experience. |
| 06:42.27 | ke6isf | pepsi: So it's just a holdover that'll drop out Real Soon Now. |
| 06:42.34 | mixter | sanxiyn: ok! that could be good to know. thanks! |
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| 06:43.05 | peterS | briankeys: if you've hand-edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, it won't touch it. this is a feature, though not one I agree with. you can make it take control of it again by doing: md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 06:43.24 | pepsi | ke6isf, whenever freenode declares a nationwide power outage all will be fixed.. |
| 06:43.28 | mixter | is aptitude ment to replace bort apt-get and dselect? |
| 06:43.46 | sanxiyn | mixter: Yes. |
| 06:43.52 | Azar | mixter aptitude is said to take better care of package dependencies |
| 06:43.52 | ke6isf | pepsi: Nah, just peer off anyone with N= or I=. They automagically reconnect. Problem solved. |
| 06:43.53 | bibe | jkaufman : did you tried tuxmobil.org? no hints? |
| 06:43.57 | briankeys | peterS: thanks again. will try! |
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| 06:44.30 | peterS | ke6isf: that's where I come in. "connection reset by peerS" |
| 06:44.32 | mixter | sanxiyn, Azar: ok... it seems to have a better interface too |
| 06:44.39 | Azar | :) |
| 06:44.44 | ke6isf | peterS: Ah huh. =^^= |
| 06:44.49 | bibe | jkaufman : try both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels? (passing respectively "linux" and "linux26" at the boot: prompt) |
| 06:45.06 | jkaufman | havnt tried linux26 |
| 06:45.08 | jkaufman | will do now |
| 06:45.56 | jkaufman | linux26 doesnt exist |
| 06:46.20 | peterS | jkaufman: eh? you type linux26 when it says "Boot:" right when the CD begins to boot |
| 06:46.32 | jkaufman | thats correct |
| 06:46.44 | jkaufman | i'm using a netboot disk just to clarify that |
| 06:46.44 | sep | jkaufman, you have a unofficial boot cd or something ? |
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| 06:47.07 | peterS | pepsi: aha, one more (Morti) taken care of |
| 06:47.14 | sep | jkaufman, the official netboot image have linux26 i have installed it often enougf |
| 06:47.18 | andrei_ | how do i check if a file is a directory ? |
| 06:47.26 | peterS | andrei_: test -d |
| 06:47.28 | sep | jkaufman, where did you download the image ? url ? |
| 06:47.37 | andrei_ | thank you |
| 06:47.40 | dbernar1 | I am curious, what does a computer have to have really to be a "dumb/thin" terminal(I dont know the terminology yet) for example, I can get a slow computer, and then run all apps through ssh -X|Y on a 10Mbps LAN. |
| 06:47.41 | peterS | andrei_: or what's your context? that's bourne shell syntax |
| 06:47.43 | jkaufman | sep: i'm using the link peterS directed me to |
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| 06:48.04 | andrei_ | peterS, i need something else. to chmod recursively only the directories |
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| 06:48.28 | dbernar1 | It needs everything in it, right, mb, processor, hard drive, everything, some kind of linux install and X sever workking... |
| 06:48.33 | sep | dbernar1, motherboard, cpu, ram minimum, keyboard/mice/monitor if you want human IO on the thing. |
| 06:48.37 | zorton | has anyone tried compiling slibo under unstable? |
| 06:48.42 | jaker | hi guys |
| 06:48.42 | andrei_ | peterS, i use bash |
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| 06:49.00 | peterS | andrei_: so what's the context you want to know this in? shell scripting, or interactive use, or what? |
| 06:49.05 | sep | dbernar1, if it have a harddrive it's not thin/dumb, then it's a regular pc :P |
| 06:49.23 | andrei_ | peterS, interactive if it is possible. |
| 06:49.32 | dbernar1 | how can I not have a HD, how is it gonna work? |
| 06:49.39 | peterS | andrei_: ls -F is a quick way to see dirs vs. files |
| 06:49.47 | sep | dbernar1, my thinclients boot from the networkcard |
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| 06:49.57 | sep | dbernar1, read about the lessdisks packages in debian |
| 06:50.10 | dbernar1 | where do I read again? |
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| 06:50.26 | dbernar1 | sorry I forget to put your nick. |
| 06:50.28 | dbernar1 | dammn, |
| 06:50.37 | peterS | dbernar1: apt-cache search lessdisks |
| 06:50.44 | sep | dbernar1, start with aptitude show lessdisks, |
| 06:50.49 | dbernar1 | ok, I could think too. |
| 06:50.50 | jm_ | andrei_: also man test |
| 06:50.55 | sep | then install that and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/packagename |
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| 06:51.17 | dbernar1 | show? you mean search maybe? |
| 06:51.35 | jm_ | ohh interactively probably meant he wants to see it on screen, so ls -F or stat |
| 06:51.40 | sanxiyn | dbernar1: show. |
| 06:51.43 | sep | dbernar1, search lists all packages, show show you the description if you kow the packagename |
| 06:51.48 | dbernar1 | cause its not there in show. |
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| 06:51.59 | sanxiyn | !info lessdisks |
| 06:52.00 | dbernar1 | but, I got it started, thanks. |
| 06:52.00 | bibe | jkaufman : did you try with an official netinst image^ |
| 06:52.02 | dpkg | lessdisks: (flexible diskless (x)terminal system - server base files), section misc, is extra. Version: 0.5.3cvs.20040906-16 (sid), Packaged size: 79 kB, Installed size: 276 kB |
| 06:52.04 | bibe | ? |
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| 06:53.00 | jkaufman | bibe: i wasnt aware there was one for AMD64, from what peterS had said earlier anyhow |
| 06:53.06 | andrei_ | jm_, by interactively i meant writing directly to the console a command which would do what i want |
| 06:53.10 | MustangMatt | Does anyone have any experience with slow performance from sata drives under sarge? I've got a software raid in place and it's on a 7 day pace to rebuild the array. |
| 06:53.18 | Lin | there is some good debian+samba+ldap howto (that works fine with sarge)? |
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| 06:53.35 | andrei_ | what i need is to chmod 755 -R /vaw/www but only for dirs |
| 06:53.37 | peterS | jkaufman: right, he doesn't know you're on amd64. I'm not sure if the amd64 netinst images include both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, or just a 2.6 kernel. it's possible they only support the latter |
| 06:53.39 | hyperstream | is there a thing like windows update in debian ? just got my box online. wondering how to get security updates |
| 06:53.48 | c_olin | I'm trying to install something, but I get this error "./autogen.sh: line 8: aclocal: command not found" where/how can I get aclocal? |
| 06:53.52 | sep | MustangMatt, are you sure it's not failing and starting over all the time ? |
| 06:53.53 | peterS | andrei_: have a look at chmod -R a+X |
| 06:53.55 | MustangMatt | hyperstream: apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
| 06:54.03 | peterS | andrei_: a+X is usually what people mean by what you say |
| 06:54.12 | andrei_ | perfect |
| 06:54.14 | sep | hyperstream, aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 06:54.14 | jm_ | andrei_: ahh use find to return dirs only, and pipe it to xargs, or -exec - then there are shells like zsh that have extended globbing so you can do stuff like chmod 755 **/*(/) |
| 06:54.30 | sep | !security |
| 06:54.31 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
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| 06:54.49 | sep | i'd replace apt-get with aptitude. but that's religion for you |
| 06:55.08 | jkaufman | peterS: it seems to crap out when its probing pci |
| 06:55.09 | hyperstream | im running unstable releases |
| 06:55.16 | jkaufman | is there a way to disable probing? |
| 06:55.31 | peterS | !security =~ s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 06:55.32 | dpkg | OK, peterS |
| 06:55.33 | peterS | !security =~ s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 06:55.40 | peterS | bah |
| 06:55.46 | hyperstream | deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free <-- this is the one i want for debian sarge unstable |
| 06:56.19 | c_olin | What is "aclocal"? And can I get it through aptitude? |
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| 06:56.25 | andrei_ | peterS, jm_, thanks |
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| 06:56.28 | peterS | c_olin: it's part of automake |
| 06:56.29 | MustangMatt | I'm really clueless as to why these drives are so stinking slow. Google has been able to shine any light either. Does anyone have any ideas to point me in the right direction? |
| 06:56.38 | bibe | jkaufman : while at the boot: prompt, use function keys F1, F2 and so on and check out for nopci or pci=off parameter |
| 06:56.43 | c_olin | peterS: How can I get it? |
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| 06:56.50 | jkaufman | thx |
| 06:56.52 | peterS | c_olin: automake is, however, available in about 5 flavors, so check what your source is already using. automake1.4, automake1.6, automake1.7, automake1.8, automake1.9 |
| 06:56.59 | hyperstream | ?? |
| 06:57.08 | Spritee | Hm. I'm having a bit of trouble with image magic. How I split up each page in a pdf into x amount of jpeg files? |
| 06:57.12 | peterS | c_olin: those are your possible package names |
| 06:57.28 | c_olin | How can I check wich one I'm suing? |
| 06:57.30 | c_olin | using* |
| 06:57.32 | jm_ | MustangMatt: how about more details? |
| 06:57.34 | c_olin | which* |
| 06:57.41 | c_olin | erg I can't type in the dark |
| 06:57.45 | peterS | c_olin: you'll have to dig into the source of the package you're looking at |
| 06:57.57 | andrei_ | jm_, can't be that hard |
| 06:57.59 | peterS | c_olin: any Makefile.in should say what manner of automake it was built with |
| 06:58.00 | c_olin | it is Enlightenment DR17 |
| 06:58.09 | jm_ | andrei_: hard? you consider this hard? |
| 06:58.15 | MustangMatt | I'm not sure what details to give. It's two 160 gb drives that I just setup in a raid1 mirror using sarge's installer. They're doing the inital rebuild and they are crawling. |
| 06:58.20 | c_olin | There is no Makefile.in |
| 06:58.21 | andrei_ | jm_, :) but it is |
| 06:58.23 | dbernar1 | sep: so, then, I still need the NIC, RAM, MB, CPU, (monitor, mouse kb) |
| 06:58.28 | MustangMatt | I'm just not sure why performance is so terrible. |
| 06:58.29 | c_olin | only Makefile.am |
| 06:58.46 | sanxiyn | c_olin: Hm. |
| 06:58.49 | peterS | c_olin: bleh, then you just have to guess. they are *mostly* compatible so you might just try the latest, automake1.9 |
| 06:58.59 | jm_ | andrei_: imagine having to click on each dir and then click on little checkboxes several times to make it accessible to everyone, now that is hard |
| 06:59.00 | sanxiyn | c_olin: If there's no mention of automake version in README, just use the latest. |
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| 06:59.01 | hyperstream | deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free <-- this is the one i want for debian sarge unstable |
| 06:59.04 | peterS | c_olin: unless you can find a README about building from cvs or whatever, that might explain what you need |
| 06:59.08 | MustangMatt | md0 : active raid1 sda1[2] sdb1[1] |
| 06:59.08 | MustangMatt | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.08 | MustangMatt | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.19 | jm_ | MustangMatt: with IDE drives I would look if DMA is enabled |
| 06:59.27 | andrei_ | peterS, so if a+X is for directories, whats for the files ? |
| 06:59.28 | peterS | MustangMatt: please to be not flooding |
| 06:59.35 | peterS | andrei_: maybe check the documentation |
| 06:59.36 | c_olin | peterS: I'm following enlightenments guide, and they do not mention anything about it |
| 06:59.42 | MustangMatt | They're sata drives and from what I've read hdparm can't turn on dma |
| 06:59.44 | andrei_ | checked |
| 06:59.46 | briankeys | How do I exit out of X and get back to the console? :) |
| 06:59.53 | andrei_ | did not find a+X, or a |
| 06:59.59 | MustangMatt | According to dmesg udma is on. |
| 07:00.02 | c_olin | automake 1.9 got rid of the error |
| 07:00.12 | hyperstream | how do i enable ssh access from the internet ?\ |
| 07:00.13 | c_olin | but got a completly different error :( |
| 07:00.14 | ginipig | briankeys: ctrl+alt+F(1-5) |
| 07:00.14 | c_olin | lol |
| 07:00.21 | jm_ | yeah, I am not familiar with SATA so I don't know what things apply, there's also a setting somewhere in proc that affects the speed of RAID rebuilds and such |
| 07:00.32 | liable | briankeys: you using a dm? /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 07:00.33 | zdom | well, what should I do with promise SX4100 raid card? I got fucked up while my boss brought 6 pack of this crappy raid card |
| 07:00.41 | ginipig | hyperstream: webmin |
| 07:00.55 | ginipig | hyperstream: but you'll need to be local to the machine |
| 07:01.01 | Coke | hyperstream: you can't, you have to enable ssh locally before the machine becomes accessible from the Internet. Unless you have any other remote access service, but if this is a default install you donät. |
| 07:01.11 | sep | MustangMatt, cat /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max |
| 07:01.17 | ginipig | Coke: essentially :) |
| 07:01.17 | jm_ | yeah that one ;) |
| 07:01.19 | MustangMatt | Well how would you check dma on scsi drives? I believe these are treated as scsi through the driver. |
| 07:01.36 | MustangMatt | The limit mask is 20000 |
| 07:01.43 | andrei_ | peterS, googleing it right now |
| 07:01.56 | peterS | andrei_: no need, just 'man chmod' |
| 07:02.03 | hyperstream | im local to the machine |
| 07:02.04 | sep | MustangMatt, mine is at 200000 |
| 07:02.11 | Coke | hyperstream: have you installed ssh? |
| 07:02.13 | jm_ | that's very low |
| 07:02.15 | MustangMatt | cat /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min is 1000 |
| 07:02.16 | hyperstream | yes |
| 07:02.18 | peterS | zdom: could've sworn I looked up info on the 4100 just a week ago for someone. something about linux 2.6.13-rc1 supporting it, or a patch available for 2.6.11 / 2.6.12 |
| 07:02.23 | hyperstream | i can ssh localy thru networks |
| 07:02.34 | MustangMatt | Is that 1000 bytes/second? |
| 07:02.38 | MustangMatt | Surely not. |
| 07:02.39 | andrei_ | peterS, i think this is what you are talking about chmod a+x . `find . -type d |
| 07:02.40 | Coke | hyperstream: what the heck does that mean? |
| 07:02.42 | dbernar1 | how again do you set up aliases for computers on your network? /etc/hosts? |
| 07:02.45 | zdom | peterS thx! |
| 07:02.48 | sep | MustangMatt, the minimus is not so interestig is it. if your max is at 20000 increse to 200000 |
| 07:02.52 | hyperstream | means i can ssh into this box thru the network |
| 07:02.54 | peterS | andrei_: no, I really meant chmod -R a+X. read the manpage again |
| 07:02.57 | hyperstream | not thru the internet . |
| 07:03.20 | peterS | andrei_: you can use 'find' but a+X is quite often what people really wanted in the first place |
| 07:03.25 | Coke | hyperstream: through your LAN, is that what you're saying? |
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| 07:03.33 | MustangMatt | Oh oops my bad it was set to 200000. I'll try bumping it up to 2000000 |
| 07:03.58 | hyperstream | yes i have 3 pc's networked. from the windows one. using putty.exe i can ssh into this debian box. thru the local area network |
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| 07:04.26 | hyperstream | but i would like to access it online (WAN) |
| 07:04.32 | zdom | peterS where is the patch for 2.6.11 / 12 then? |
| 07:04.48 | pepsi | what do i do once ive made the kernel image .deb? |
| 07:04.53 | peterS | zdom: let me check my irc log to see what I came up with last time |
| 07:04.54 | Coke | hyperstream: well, have you messed with the SSH configuration? |
| 07:05.01 | peterS | pepsi: install it. dpkg --install |
| 07:05.01 | MustangMatt | It seems to be climbing in speed. Maybe that was it. |
| 07:05.05 | hyperstream | nope |
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| 07:05.12 | hyperstream | where is this default located? |
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| 07:05.27 | Coke | hyperstream: /etc/ssh/sshd_config, but that's good. the default allows you to connect from any network. |
| 07:05.35 | pepsi | peterS, dpkg --install /usr/src/kernel-image-foo.deb? |
| 07:05.38 | hyperstream | including over the internet? |
| 07:05.46 | Coke | hyperstream: "over", "under", "through". |
| 07:05.50 | hyperstream | hmm |
| 07:05.52 | hyperstream | brb |
| 07:05.57 | Coke | hyperstream: what the heck does that mean? |
| 07:05.58 | peterS | pepsi: most people abbreviate it as dpkg -i but --install looks more obvious. either way |
| 07:06.18 | hyperstream | never mind. |
| 07:06.32 | Coke | hyperstream: you want to connect to that machine's SSH service from a machine on a non-local network? The SSH daemon has no network limitations by default. |
| 07:06.35 | zdom | really hate promise raid card |
| 07:07.04 | zdom | I told my boss don't buy it before, but he still buy it because of the cheapest price |
| 07:07.15 | hyperstream | must be my router |
| 07:07.15 | Coke | hyperstream: I pressume you have read the dialogs in the installer OR the configuration file OR the README to find out that you CANNOT logon as 'root' by default? |
| 07:07.25 | hyperstream | yes |
| 07:07.36 | peterS | zdom: oh never mind, this patch was for a different promise card |
| 07:07.40 | Coke | hyperstream: router? |
| 07:07.43 | andrei_ | peterS, i did it this way: chmod -R 755 . `find /var/www/ -type d` && chmod -R 644 . `find /var/www/ -type f |
| 07:07.45 | hyperstream | when i: ssh 203.51.254.153 it just sits there. no output at all |
| 07:07.54 | dbernar1 | Yay, I have an alias for my other computer. |
| 07:07.55 | MustangMatt | I just found a page with an interesting note... |
| 07:07.56 | MustangMatt | There is a problem with the way some 2.6 kernels determine whether an I/O device is idle. On these kernels, RAID initialization is about five times slower than it needs to be. On these kernels you can do the following to work around the problem: |
| 07:07.58 | zdom | peterS lucky it still work then |
| 07:07.59 | dbernar1 | anyhow... |
| 07:08.02 | MustangMatt | Sounds about right. |
| 07:08.13 | Coke | hyperstream: if the router rejects or drops packages on certain ports from the internet, make sure it doesn't do that for port 22. |
| 07:08.17 | MustangMatt | They just bump up the speed_limit_max and speed_limit_min |
| 07:08.17 | Coke | TCP |
| 07:08.19 | pirre | hyperstream: can you ping the ip? |
| 07:08.31 | Coke | pirre: ping has nothing to do with connecting to a port. not even the same protocol. |
| 07:08.36 | hyperstream | yes i can ping it |
| 07:08.41 | hyperstream | ill look at my router config |
| 07:08.43 | Coke | hyperstream: ping has nothing to do with connecting to a port. not even the same protocol. |
| 07:09.11 | Coke | hyperstream: open up TCP for port 22. that's all that is needed. |
| 07:09.12 | pirre | Coke: no, but it's useful for making sure the box is up and running |
| 07:09.20 | peterS | hyperstream: use 'ssh -v' to see if it's managing to connect |
| 07:09.27 | Coke | pirre: he is currently logged on to the machine, isn't that proof enough that the machine is up and running? |
| 07:09.49 | pirre | Coke: yes, I'm afraid I missed a bit of the conversation |
| 07:09.55 | Coke | I guess with Windows you can never be sure, tough. |
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| 07:10.44 | andrei_ | thank you |
| 07:10.51 | MustangMatt | For a machine that is under no load, shouldn't the raid rebuild speed remain constant at least? |
| 07:11.33 | hyperstream | its not connecting to port 22 |
| 07:11.45 | hyperstream | and having issues finding where to add a port in the router web interface |
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| 07:12.26 | hyperstream | Address Translation (NAT) Port By-Pass (NAPT) |
| 07:12.29 | zapalotta | hello |
| 07:12.29 | x-Al1gma | hello zapalotta |
| 07:12.33 | hyperstream | which is better its set to NAPT |
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| 07:12.43 | liable | hello |
| 07:12.44 | x-Al1gma | hello liable |
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| 07:13.29 | zapalotta | I'm using sarge on a server. there are hardly any updates coming in since it's stable though I read of some broken stuff on security focus etc. Can I verify somewhere if I set up the correct sources.list? |
| 07:13.37 | zdom | peterS so can sarge running on promise raid finally? |
| 07:13.39 | zapalotta | I don't get errors on apt-get update |
| 07:13.44 | hyperstream | Coke, ? |
| 07:13.54 | jm_ | zapalotta: check if you have entries for security updates |
| 07:14.00 | sep | zapalotta, do you have a line saying security.debian.org in your sources ? |
| 07:14.01 | peterS | zdom: depends on what you mean by 'promise raid'. there are different products, I don't know which of them are supported by the 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 07:14.09 | Coke | hyperstream: no. |
| 07:14.30 | zapalotta | jm_, sep: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 07:14.31 | zdom | peterS icic. still check the irc log ? thx a lot anyway |
| 07:14.38 | zapalotta | from my sources.list |
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| 07:14.50 | peterS | zdom: turned out that was about a Promise PDC20269, which isn't even SATA |
| 07:15.06 | peterS | zdom: errr, PDC20619, sorry |
| 07:15.10 | sep | zapalotta, and if you then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade , you get the relevant security updates |
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| 07:15.44 | zapalotta | sep, yes, I also thought so but IIRC it only updated about 4 packages since sarge is stable |
| 07:15.46 | Coke | hyperstream: NAT is something different. With iptables you should NOT block/reject TCP on port 22, however, many simplified routers work the in the inverse; try to unblock tcp port 22. |
| 07:15.48 | jm_ | zapalotta: apt-setup uses stable/updates, not sarge/updates |
| 07:15.57 | sep | zapalotta, you should also subscribe to security announce mailinglist, then you get informed when there is a upgrade, and often there are upgradees that you dont have installed, that means you dont need to upgrade anything |
| 07:16.06 | zapalotta | is there any kind of "list" what came in last? like a kind of change log? |
| 07:16.17 | jm_ | zapalotta: DSA-s are on the web page |
| 07:16.30 | sanxiyn | zapalotta: http://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 07:16.31 | peterS | zapalotta: yeah, http://security.debian.org/ |
| 07:16.31 | sep | zapalotta, well debian dont throw around 'stable' releases without meaning it :) one of the reasons i _LOVE_ this distro |
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| 07:17.04 | hyperstream | yes ive enable network address transaltion to 10.0.0.1 the ip of this pc on the LAN for port 22 udp/tcp still no resutlts |
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| 07:18.00 | MustangMatt | hyperstream: can you ssh in from another machine on your internal network? |
| 07:18.01 | zapalotta | sep: well, ok, I'm kind of happy if there aren't new versions of every software by the minute (my reason for deb on servers), I was just a bit worried about the small amount of updates |
| 07:18.02 | zdom | peterS well.....God have mercy on me and Promise SATA Raid card |
| 07:18.13 | jm_ | also keep in mind that you won't get random security updates installed - you will only get those that replace installed packages |
| 07:18.33 | MustangMatt | zdom: What sort of performance do you get with that setup? |
| 07:18.37 | sep | zapalotta, subscribe to the security mailinglist, that way you get notified when there is something |
| 07:18.54 | liable | zdom: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/sata-status.html#open_chipsets |
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| 07:19.16 | zapalotta | sep: ok, I'll do, thanks. I could have had the idea of going to security.d.o. before, I just notice that the latest DSAs don't affect any package I installed... |
| 07:19.20 | zapalotta | thanks, guys :) |
| 07:19.30 | sep | zapalotta, yes it's often that way |
| 07:19.51 | Coke | hyperstream: NO! there is NO NETWORK TRANSLATION |
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| 07:20.13 | Coke | hyperstream: I told you it's not NAT. it's a block/reject. |
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| 07:20.32 | Coke | hyperstream: what kind of router is it? |
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| 07:21.03 | nicklas | hi =) |
| 07:21.17 | nicklas | can some one help me to change hz on ubuntu? |
| 07:21.29 | jm_ | tried #ubuntu? |
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| 07:22.01 | peterS | nicklas: hz? like the kernel clock interrupt frequency? I don't think that's runtime-adjustable in any linux kernel |
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| 07:22.21 | nicklas | well the refresh rate on the screen |
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| 07:22.43 | nicklas | peterS, |
| 07:22.43 | peterS | nicklas: ahhh. gnome has an applet in the config menu for this, but I forget how it's labeled |
| 07:22.50 | jm_ | heh |
| 07:22.56 | nicklas | peterS, ah :P okej |
| 07:23.04 | peterS | nicklas: or there's xrandr, but I don't know if ubuntu installs that by default |
| 07:23.17 | zdom | MustangMatt I even cannot install debian yet |
| 07:23.27 | nicklas | peterS, well linux is werry new for me =) |
| 07:23.36 | MustangMatt | zdom: Sarge hanging up on you? |
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| 07:24.00 | peterS | nicklas: the gnome tool is labeled something like "Resolution and Refresh" |
| 07:24.22 | ice_1963 | hello |
| 07:24.23 | x-Al1gma | hello ice_1963 |
| 07:24.35 | peterS | MustangMatt: he's got an unsupported sata interface so can't get to his hard disk at all. apparently. |
| 07:24.42 | nicklas | peterS, aha...and where do i finde that? |
| 07:24.57 | MustangMatt | peterS: I had that problem with a promise controller once but it was IDE raid. |
| 07:25.00 | peterS | nicklas: I am not running gnome at the moment so I can't remember for sure. start on the foot-shaped menu bar and see if you can find it |
| 07:25.18 | peterS | MustangMatt: *nod*. his is a FastTrack SX4100 or something |
| 07:25.25 | MustangMatt | nicklas: One sec, let me check my wife's machine she has ubuntu on it. |
| 07:25.29 | nicklas | peterS, okej thanx =) |
| 07:25.36 | sep | MustangMatt, i'v ad nothing but trouble with promise controllers ata sata with ot without raid, avoid the crap like horsemanure. |
| 07:25.44 | sep | use 3ware or intel or adaptec |
| 07:26.12 | nicklas | and one more question.... how do i instal amsn? |
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| 07:26.38 | sep | aptitude install amsn, and seriously consider using gaim instead |
| 07:26.39 | MustangMatt | nicklas: Under System -> Preferences I have an app called "Screen Resolution" |
| 07:26.44 | pastyhermit | my debian install is broken: |
| 07:27.09 | nicklas | MustangMatt, yes but it is locked on 60 hz =/ |
| 07:27.20 | MustangMatt | nicklas: Let me check mine... |
| 07:27.22 | nicklas | MustangMatt, cant unlock it |
| 07:27.26 | pastyhermit | libpam0g libperl5.8 and libpcre3 have broken subproccess post install scripts |
| 07:27.27 | ice_1963 | or apt-get install amsn :0) |
| 07:27.28 | pastyhermit | how do I fix this? |
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| 07:29.01 | MustangMatt | nicklas: Mine only gives 60 as an option as well. Check this out though: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-534.html |
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| 07:29.10 | peterS | nicklas: well, the 'screen resolution' applet is the one I was thinking of. if it refuses to do anything but 60 Hz, then you'll have to fix your X server config. in Debian that means 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' but I'm pretty sure in ubuntu it's something else, like editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf directly |
| 07:29.26 | Azar | pastyhermit: aptitude update, aptitude upgrade, aptitude install (yourbrokenstuff) |
| 07:29.27 | MustangMatt | I'm guessing 60 hz is a safety feature when it can't correctly autodetect. |
| 07:29.33 | pastyhermit | stupid OO retards packaged their beta in RPM |
| 07:29.34 | pastyhermit | retard |
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| 07:29.42 | pastyhermit | Azar, not working |
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| 07:29.51 | pastyhermit | Azar, there are broken scripts |
| 07:30.01 | nicklas | okej peters and mustanmatt...thanks, i will problaby come up whit a solution |
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| 07:30.12 | Azar | pastyhermit it might depend on your version of Debian, and linux version |
| 07:30.39 | Shinkan | Hi, I would like to ask you before recompiling ^^ |
| 07:30.40 | peterS | nicklas: seriously, they're much more likely to know in the #ubuntu channel |
| 07:30.49 | pastyhermit | Azar, how do you fix debian |
| 07:30.50 | pepsi_ | how do I check whether I have usb 1.1 or usb 2.0? I have a Pentium 4, so I beleive the box its modern enough to have 2.0, but it seems like I have 1.1.... |
| 07:31.14 | peterS | pepsi_: lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' |
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| 07:31.25 | peterS | pepsi_: it will tell you about UHCI, OHCI and/or EHCI interfaces |
| 07:31.29 | pastyhermit | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 07:31.29 | pastyhermit | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.29 | pastyhermit | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.29 | pastyhermit | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.29 | pastyhermit | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 07:31.30 | pastyhermit | Ack! Something bad happened while installing packages. Trying to recover: |
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| 07:31.32 | Azar | pastyhermit like I said, it depends wether you use woody, sarge , etch or sid and what version of linux you got |
| 07:31.37 | peterS | pepsi_: if you have any EHCI interfaces, those are USB 2.0. if you don't, you don't. |
| 07:31.40 | Azar | uh |
| 07:31.42 | Azar | gone |
| 07:31.43 | pepsi | hi pepsi_ |
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| 07:31.47 | ke6isf | whee, flood! |
| 07:31.57 | c_olin | On trying to apt-get freetype2-dev it says this "Note, selecting libttf-dev instead of freetype2-dev" Why is this? I need the freetype headers installed! |
| 07:32.05 | Azar | pastyhermit which Debian are you using? |
| 07:32.27 | pepsi_ | peterS: UHCI. shit. |
| 07:32.32 | pastyhermit | the one I downloaded from debian.org |
| 07:32.35 | pastyhermit | Sarge I beleive |
| 07:32.37 | pastyhermit | 3.1 |
| 07:32.46 | peterS | pepsi_: look carefully, you might have both UHCI and EHCI |
| 07:32.47 | Azar | pastyhermit and which linux version? |
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| 07:33.03 | MustangMatt | pepsi_: Normally both will be listed. |
| 07:33.16 | pepsi | pepsi_, why dont you register pepc? :( |
| 07:33.21 | pepsi_ | peterS: Yeah.. well thats the place I looked before too.. your line gives me two lines of [UHCI]) |
| 07:33.38 | pastyhermit | Linux lazrus 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:33.49 | c_olin | How can I search for a certain file in all of apt's packages? |
| 07:33.50 | pastyhermit | stock kernel |
| 07:33.50 | peterS | pepsi_: you don't have USB 2.0 then. unless it's something crazy like you disabled specifically that in your BIOS or something. but I don't think you can do that |
| 07:33.56 | MustangMatt | pepsi_: What motherboard is it? I was thinking most p4 boards had usb 2.0 |
| 07:34.00 | Azar | pastyhermit, then you need to upgrade your linux to 2.6.8 |
| 07:34.10 | nicklas | peterS, oh....diddent see that i whas in #debian |
| 07:34.13 | pepsi_ | peterS: hm.. I'll check |
| 07:34.16 | pastyhermit | oh? |
| 07:34.26 | pastyhermit | and how might I do that without recompiling? |
| 07:34.33 | pepsi_ | MustangMatt: thats what I thought too.. is there any simple way of checking the main board w/o opening the box? |
| 07:34.36 | Azar | pastyhermit you need to upgrade your linux from 2.4.7 to 2.6.8 |
| 07:34.38 | pastyhermit | just binary install |
| 07:34.43 | ke6isf | pastyhermit: apt-get install package-name |
| 07:34.44 | pastyhermit | Azar, yes, you already said that |
| 07:34.45 | pastyhermit | k |
| 07:34.51 | pastyhermit | apt-get install linux |
| 07:34.52 | peterS | pepsi_: there's a remote chance not all your PCI devices are visible to the kernel, due to incorrect setup of PCI bridges. but that doesn't happen often and it would probably affect *all* USB devices not just the 2.0 one |
| 07:34.55 | MustangMatt | pepsi_: The bios post when you first turn the box on might reveal some info. |
| 07:35.18 | Azar | pastyhermit no, first you check and pick the one for your system hardware |
| 07:35.25 | pepsi_ | hm. ok. I bet I have 1.1 :( |
| 07:35.38 | Azar | 2.6.8-k7 for example works with my amd system |
| 07:35.40 | mwilson | Hm, where are our Mac people when I need one... :) |
| 07:35.47 | zdom | MustangMatt Sarge cannot install on promise raid... |
| 07:35.48 | peterS | MustangMatt: the first pentium 4 boards came out years before usb 2.0 became popular |
| 07:35.56 | pastyhermit | Azar, were is a list of the packages available? |
| 07:35.58 | zdom | MustangMatt I think i have to use software raid mode |
| 07:36.09 | MustangMatt | zdom: Yah that's what I had to do as well. |
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| 07:36.17 | ke6isf | pastyhermit: hang on, I'll locate the package name. What is your processor? |
| 07:36.18 | MustangMatt | zdom: But my performance is awful thus far. |
| 07:36.26 | pepsi_ | peterS: Could it be that my kernel is compiled with support for 1.1 only? |
| 07:36.28 | Azar | pastyhermit ask a guru here how to look for a linux distro available on the Sarge list |
| 07:36.36 | pepsi_ | peterS: I mean, could that be the case? |
| 07:36.39 | Azar | ... I darn forgot the command |
| 07:36.43 | MustangMatt | pepsi_: Which kernel? 2.6 should have it. |
| 07:36.48 | pastyhermit | linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 07:36.59 | pepsi_ | MustangMatt: 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 07:37.01 | peterS | zdom: a lot of low-end raid cards *are* software raid, so it may be no loss anyway. see http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html to get an idea of this |
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| 07:37.13 | MustangMatt | pepsi_: Yah that should have usb 2.0 support. |
| 07:37.15 | pastyhermit | upgrading kernel... |
| 07:37.16 | Azar | pastyhermit yes |
| 07:37.17 | ke6isf | pastyhermit: if you're running sid, that might work. |
| 07:37.29 | peterS | pepsi_: no, if that's the case, the 'lspci -v' will still report the EHCI interface, you just wouldn't be able to actually use it |
| 07:37.35 | Azar | he is not running sid, ke6isf |
| 07:37.41 | pepsi_ | peterS: ah I see.. |
| 07:37.44 | pastyhermit | Azar, so you are saying once the kernel is upgraded things will actually work? |
| 07:37.56 | pastyhermit | I dont understand how the kernel fixes broken apt |
| 07:37.57 | ke6isf | Azar: ... they've shifted to the 'linux-image' syntax in sarge? When? =O.o= |
| 07:38.18 | peterS | ke6isf: as of the 2.6.12 kernels. |
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| 07:38.22 | pepsi_ | ok.. sigh.. I was planning on bying a usb-harddrive for backup storage :/ Will 1.1 handle it good if I use rsync you think? |
| 07:38.25 | Azar | um I am not sure check the list through cache search |
| 07:38.33 | pastyhermit | I modified my sources.lst to get unstable everything |
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| 07:38.43 | pastyhermit | so I could get the latest stuff but I dont think its the latest stuff |
| 07:38.46 | Azar | there are kernels for 64, for amd, for intel.. |
| 07:38.51 | pastyhermit | maybe I have to apt-get distupgrade or something |
| 07:38.56 | ke6isf | pastyhermit: oh dude, that's suicide. |
| 07:38.58 | peterS | pepsi_: usb 1.1 is limited to usb 1.1 speeds. for large hard drives this will be a bit frustrating. also, a few drives might have trouble talking usb 1.1 since they were mostly tested with usb 2.0 |
| 07:39.08 | pastyhermit | ke6isf, just following the advice of the debian manual |
| 07:39.15 | peterS | pepsi_: but, despite all that, it might work just fine and you might not care about the raw speed for your application |
| 07:39.16 | Azar | pastyhermit only the kernel |
| 07:39.18 | pepsi_ | peterS: hm. ok. |
| 07:39.25 | pastyhermit | Azar, what? |
| 07:39.29 | MustangMatt | pepsi_: There are cheap usb 2.0 pci cards you can get that are supported under linux I believe. |
| 07:39.32 | pastyhermit | ke6isf, how do I fix it |
| 07:39.35 | Azar | blehd upgrade the bloody kernel |
| 07:39.49 | pastyhermit | Azar, I dont have a problem with my kernel you twit |
| 07:39.52 | peterS | pepsi_: MustangMatt is right. any usb 2.0 pci card should be supported just fine by linux, in fact, AFAIK. |
| 07:39.56 | pepsi_ | MustangMatt: sounds nice.. |
| 07:39.57 | Azar | ouch ok man |
| 07:39.58 | pastyhermit | I have a problem with apt and its broken install scripts |
| 07:40.01 | destiny | pepsi: hello |
| 07:40.06 | pastyhermit | dude, havent you been listening? |
| 07:40.19 | destiny | has anyone upgraded k3b and then have it give errors when loading? |
| 07:40.21 | pepsi_ | peterS, MustangMattany hassle in installing those cards? |
| 07:40.24 | pepsi | destiny, hi |
| 07:40.31 | Azar | dont get tough on me Im timid and shy |
| 07:40.33 | pastyhermit | Azar, maybe I didnt make it clear, sorry fo the misunderstanding |
| 07:40.40 | MustangMatt | pepsi_: It should be extremely easy. Plug it in and go. |
| 07:40.41 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 07:40.42 | peterS | pepsi_: shouldn't be any problem - power off, pop the card in, power on |
| 07:41.00 | pepsi_ | ah.. |
| 07:41.05 | pastyhermit | Im gonna paste the output on #flood |
| 07:41.09 | MustangMatt | Here you go pepsi_: http://search.ebay.com/usb-2-0-pci_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8QQsatitleZusbQ202.0Q20pci |
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| 07:41.20 | Azar | pastyhermit, only one thing: the new kernel brings more support to shit like you need |
| 07:41.21 | peterS | pepsi_: the lspci line will now show an EHCI interface, and if you aren't already using 'hotplug', simply adding 'ehci_hcd' to /etc/modules should be all you need |
| 07:41.35 | zdom | MustangMatt Awful is even better than not work :P |
| 07:41.35 | pepsi_ | ok! thats the way to go then.. checking prices.. thx a lot, both of yout.. |
| 07:41.37 | pastyhermit | Azar, kernel mainly brings hardware support |
| 07:41.38 | peterS | pepsi_: (_hcd means host controller driver, just fyi) |
| 07:41.41 | pastyhermit | my hw works fine |
| 07:41.46 | pastyhermit | Im on a PIII not a big deal |
| 07:41.47 | zdom | peterS thx for the info! |
| 07:41.53 | pastyhermit | I pasted in #flood |
| 07:41.57 | pastyhermit | any ideas? |
| 07:42.01 | MustangMatt | zdom: Have you tried knoppix, it seems to oddly work with hardware that sarge doesn't from time to time. |
| 07:42.08 | peterS | zdom: no problem. I don't know anything about the fasttrak SX4100 specifically, unfortunately |
| 07:42.46 | stew | pastyhermit: what does apt-cache policy libperl5.8 say for installed and candidate? |
| 07:43.01 | MustangMatt | SX4 is listed on that Sata faq page. |
| 07:43.14 | pastyhermit | stew thats a great question.... |
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| 07:43.46 | ke6isf | pastyhermit: have you tried an apt-get --reinstall yet? |
| 07:43.54 | zdom | MustangMatt not yet, will try it later. But my data center is so far away, so I have to make sure the solution before I go there :p |
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| 07:44.28 | defcon8 | how would i get all the files in a certain folder on http? or maybe wget all the pdf links on a page? |
| 07:44.45 | MustangMatt | wget -r? |
| 07:45.17 | pastyhermit | ke6isf, I figured it was implied of the package was already there |
| 07:45.19 | pastyhermit | but I will try |
| 07:45.40 | MustangMatt | zdom: I bet you could drive to your data center before my raid finishes rebuilding... haha. It's on a 4.81 day pace. |
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| 07:46.11 | zdom | MustangMatt wow..... |
| 07:46.16 | Bhaal | Is it possible to set a source IP with ping? |
| 07:46.20 | MustangMatt | Yah not too snappy. |
| 07:46.34 | destiny | ke6isf: hello |
| 07:46.44 | pastyhermit | ke6isf, that command is invalid |
| 07:46.47 | stew | Bhaal: yes, man ping |
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| 07:47.37 | stew | pastyhermit: what are you trying to do? |
| 07:48.04 | stew | pastyhermit: what command is invalid? |
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| 07:49.14 | pastyhermit | apt-get --reinstall |
| 07:49.14 | mwilson | Ah |
| 07:49.18 | pastyhermit | Im going to bed |
| 07:49.19 | pastyhermit | goodnight |
| 07:49.20 | mwilson | Griffin PowerMate |
| 07:49.26 | stew | pastyhermit: apt-get install --reinstall package |
| 07:49.27 | ke6isf | pastyhermit: apt-get --reinstall install $pkgname. |
| 07:49.39 | pastyhermit | I will re-install, though I never have had to re-install linux but debian grr. |
| 07:49.46 | pastyhermit | ok I will try that tommorow |
| 07:49.48 | pastyhermit | cool thanx |
| 07:49.50 | stew | pastyhermit: no, just one package |
| 07:49.51 | pastyhermit | later all |
| 07:49.58 | pastyhermit | there are three that need to be fixed |
| 07:49.59 | mwilson | That's what I want. |
| 07:50.02 | pastyhermit | it wont upgrade anything. |
| 07:50.04 | pastyhermit | good night |
| 07:50.10 | pastyhermit | thanx for all your efforts |
| 07:50.45 | stew | < stew> pastyhermit: what does apt-cache policy libperl5.8 say for installed and candidate |
| 07:51.06 | stew | how much do you want to bet he didn't answer that becuase the answer conatined somehting like 2.5.4-ubuntu.2 |
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| 07:51.57 | Bhaal | stew: nothing was in the man page... But there is -I listed as an option on the --help |
| 07:51.59 | ke6isf | stew: Nothing. |
| 07:52.08 | destiny | Are you really listening... or are you just waiting for your turn to talk? |
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| 07:52.36 | destiny | streuner: hello |
| 07:52.43 | streuner | hi |
| 07:52.52 | destiny | streuner: good to see you |
| 07:52.53 | stew | Bhaal: -I is in the manpage for me as: Set source address to specified interface address. Argument may be numeric IP address or name of device. |
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| 07:54.17 | Bhaal | stew: oddd |
| 07:55.57 | sussudio | badger? |
| 07:56.05 | stew | dachs |
| 07:56.13 | sussudio | http://www.alexgrantz.com/images/humor/roflcats.jpg |
| 07:56.52 | peterS | some kawfees were hurt, though, just for fun |
| 07:57.00 | jkaufman | peterS: aperantly the reason it freezes up on boot of the install is a gfx card issue |
| 07:57.11 | ke6isf | sussudio: http://www.mycathatesyou.com =^_^= |
| 07:57.12 | jkaufman | only distro reported working on this laptop is gentoo |
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| 07:57.28 | peterS | jkaufman: many things are possible. I don't have an amd64 so my info is secondhand |
| 07:57.57 | jkaufman | peterS: i guess i'll either have to wait for more support for the hardware, or give gentoo a try |
| 07:58.00 | ke6isf | Heh, firefox upgrade just came down the pipes for sarge. |
| 07:58.08 | streuner | peterS: what do you have? |
| 07:58.14 | jkaufman | i'll give gentoo a try, who knows it could be fun heh |
| 07:58.19 | peterS | jkaufman: does it get to the "Boot:" screen at least? or does it die before that even? |
| 07:58.29 | jkaufman | it gets there |
| 07:58.33 | peterS | streuner: athlon xp, very unexciting |
| 07:58.37 | jkaufman | then it loads the kernel, then randomly just dies |
| 07:58.44 | zdom | any idea how can i custom a debian install cd with newer kernel like 2.6.12? |
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| 07:59.05 | peterS | jkaufman: should be possible to disable the framebuffer but I forget the parameter at the moment. Hit F1 F2 F3 etc to see common boot options, I think the one for disabling framebuffer is on there somewhere |
| 07:59.08 | jkaufman | tried it with FC4, slack, mandrake, deb (woody and sarge), solaris and all of them die at the same spot |
| 07:59.32 | streuner | !listkeys custom |
| 07:59.34 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'custom' by key (9): custom startup script ;; custom libs ;; customer ;; happy customer ;; custom boot floppies ;; custom kernel ;; customers ;; custom d-i ;; custom netinst. |
| 07:59.37 | jkaufman | new laptops are frustrating =\ |
| 07:59.39 | streuner | !custom netinst |
| 07:59.40 | dpkg | methinks custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD |
| 07:59.53 | zdom | thx guys |
| 08:00.00 | peterS | zdom: the correct answer is to remaster the CD from source. that's a bit of trouble since the debian-installer source repository is so huge (couple hundred megabytes), but if you read the README files it's *relatively* straightforward |
| 08:00.01 | Azar | zdom all new debian installs come by default with 2.4.x it is up to you to go for a 2.6.x upgrade after installation |
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| 08:00.21 | peterS | Azar: true of amd64 CDs? that's what he's talking about |
| 08:00.49 | Azar | oh sorry, indeed I have not tried the amd64 |
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| 08:01.12 | hyperstream | !security |
| 08:01.12 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "apt-get upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 08:01.28 | peterS | !security =~ s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 08:01.29 | dpkg | OK, peterS |
| 08:01.30 | hyperstream | which one is the unstable security packages? |
| 08:01.32 | peterS | !thanks |
| 08:01.32 | dpkg | that's ok |
| 08:01.33 | zdom | i checked out the 2.6.11 may work with promise raid directly, so i want to make a new D-I for easier life |
| 08:01.35 | pirre | hm, aren't all "non-us" mirrors obsolete? |
| 08:01.47 | peterS | pirre: yes unless you're still using woody |
| 08:01.56 | pirre | peterS: ah. So dpkg said, even |
| 08:02.00 | Azar | pirre, it seems woody still uses them |
| 08:02.01 | hyperstream | peterS, ? |
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| 08:02.14 | peterS | hyperstream: there is no security support for unstable |
| 08:02.28 | jkaufman | peterS: screw it, i'll give gentoo a try, whats the worst that can happen |
| 08:02.29 | streuner | zdom: check out /msg dpkg di |
| 08:02.30 | hyperstream | or the acees to the online unstable packages |
| 08:02.31 | streuner | zdom: too |
| 08:02.35 | peterS | hyperstream: just upgrade your sid packages like normal. as soon as a security update is available for unstable it'll be *in* unstable |
| 08:02.41 | pirre | jkaufman: why not ubuntu? |
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| 08:02.46 | peterS | jkaufman: the worst that can happen is you get a gentoo machine (: |
| 08:02.57 | streuner | haha |
| 08:02.59 | jkaufman | pirre: ubuntu was reported to not run either |
| 08:03.11 | jkaufman | peterS: aye thats pretty bad ;p |
| 08:03.27 | jkaufman | but i'm allowed one machine running gentoo, when i have 18 others running deb :) |
| 08:03.32 | peterS | jkaufman: seriously, hit F3 or F4 or whatever and it'll show a help screen of things you can type at the Boot: line to disable the framebuffer |
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| 08:03.35 | pirre | jkaufman: ah |
| 08:03.41 | hyperstream | so i want the kernel-source but its not on the cd. how do i make it look at debian.org for files im trying to get |
| 08:03.41 | amorphix | morning guys |
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| 08:03.53 | jkaufman | peterS: honestly, i think its a kernel problem |
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| 08:04.13 | zdom | streuner thx |
| 08:04.15 | peterS | jkaufman: right. but if it's graphics-related you *can* prevent the framebuffer driver from being loaded |
| 08:04.15 | jkaufman | i'v gohn through the Fkeys, and tried most of the params =\ |
| 08:04.31 | jkaufman | i'll give it a try |
| 08:04.33 | hyperstream | ? |
| 08:04.35 | jkaufman | i'll brb (reboot) |
| 08:04.38 | jkaufman | i'm on my laptop now haha |
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| 08:06.39 | jkaufman | oh peterS: i disagree, the worse that can happen is i continue to have to use windows on it ;) |
| 08:06.47 | peterS | jkaufman: tough call |
| 08:06.58 | jkaufman | yeah |
| 08:07.09 | jkaufman | alright, i'm going to go take a look and see what i can come up with |
| 08:07.10 | jkaufman | brb |
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| 08:07.22 | peterS | jkaufman: oh well, if you can't get debian-installer up but you can get gentoo, you can always try debtakeover afterwards |
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| 08:07.29 | peterS | eh, too late |
| 08:07.43 | streuner | jkaufman> brb |
| 08:08.06 | dhp_doublehp | I have briken my partition table; testdisk can not recover what I need; which other tool can recover files in deleted ReisorFS partition ? |
| 08:08.08 | destiny | YaleR: hello |
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| 08:08.15 | ice_1963 | can you get the nvidia video card driver from non-free ??? |
| 08:08.16 | YaleR | hey destiny |
| 08:08.35 | destiny | YaleR: good to see you again |
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| 08:08.48 | YaleR | why the name change destiny? |
| 08:08.49 | sep | ice_1963, /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 08:08.55 | destiny | YaleR: a new beginning |
| 08:09.03 | YaleR | good to know |
| 08:09.06 | destiny | YaleR: a new Distro, and a new beginning |
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| 08:09.11 | destiny | YaleR: thanks |
| 08:09.19 | YaleR | well good luck with all of that |
| 08:09.22 | sep | dhp_doublehp, gpart |
| 08:09.26 | YaleR | :) |
| 08:09.29 | destiny | YaleR: serendipity :) |
| 08:09.39 | destiny | YaleR: thank you |
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| 08:10.17 | destiny | YaleR: I do miss some of the people however. |
| 08:10.24 | dhp_doublehp | sep ah ... thats the one I used 4 years ago ... could not remind it :) |
| 08:10.37 | YaleR | destiny: probably not the best thing to flood this room, people will get mad |
| 08:10.43 | YaleR | take it to pm |
| 08:10.47 | sep | dhp_doublehp, also read /msg dpkg gpart and /msg dpkg testdisk |
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| 08:11.05 | destiny | YaleR: ok |
| 08:11.10 | sep | !room |
| 08:11.10 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 08:11.14 | daffy-pkf | hmmm debootstrap tells me that: "E: Couldn't find these debs: 47823224" what could that mean? |
| 08:11.21 | destiny | !flood |
| 08:11.22 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 08:12.04 | musasabi | I am packaging a library for local use and wish to have several different flavors of it (like apache2 and apache2-mpm-*) - one of the flavors needs epoll support, what is the correct way to depend on that in Debian? |
| 08:12.53 | sep | !newmaint |
| 08:12.53 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 08:13.30 | dimir | Morning. |
| 08:13.55 | destiny | dimir: evening. |
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| 08:14.00 | dimir | :-) |
| 08:14.04 | destiny | dimir: :) |
| 08:15.15 | musasabi | sep: I don't think I am ready for the nm process, and I know howto to create debs, it is just that I am unsure what the correct dependency is (is some version of libc enough). |
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| 08:16.21 | TraceGreen | Hello, Can anybody tell me how can i check unicode map table in linux? |
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| 08:17.09 | zamolxes | TraceGreen: check? |
| 08:17.19 | zamolxes | TraceGreen: whatever do you mean by that? |
| 08:17.23 | hyperstream | so i want the kernel-source but its not on the cd. how do i make it look at debian.org for files im trying to get |
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| 08:19.48 | TraceGreen | zamolxes, suppose two bytes: ffffffe5 ffffff82, i want to know its unicode character |
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| 08:20.05 | peterS | TraceGreen: in what universe is a byte 32 bits long? |
| 08:20.08 | swork | #list |
| 08:20.14 | swork | %list |
| 08:20.16 | mwilson | That's not two bytes, that's two words. |
| 08:20.29 | peterS | swork: you mean !list |
| 08:20.29 | mwilson | two dwords, rather. |
| 08:20.40 | swork | o, thx :) |
| 08:20.45 | swork | !list |
| 08:20.46 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 08:20.56 | peterS | (: |
| 08:21.11 | TraceGreen | peterS, yes. |
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| 08:21.40 | mwilson | peterS: He thinks "yes" is an answer to your question. |
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| 08:22.42 | peterS | mwilson: yeah. it becomes hard to give a clueful answer to this train of reasoning, isn't it? |
| 08:22.47 | peterS | errr, doesn't it? |
| 08:22.56 | psychonate | Does anyone know if there is an amule 2.* deb suitable for Etch around? |
| 08:23.08 | psychonate | backports has a rather old amule version |
| 08:23.08 | mwilson | peterS: Sad, isn't it? |
| 08:23.15 | peterS | one learns to cope |
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| 08:23.49 | aliahz | can somebody help me with a problem on an acer aspire 2012 wlmi |
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| 08:24.09 | MustangMatt | Depends what the problem is. |
| 08:24.17 | Skywind | hi, swork |
| 08:24.18 | Skywind | welcome |
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| 08:24.32 | aliahz | the kde isnt workin |
| 08:24.45 | mwilson | Gee, that's descriptive. |
| 08:24.47 | Skywind | swork, welcome to @debian-zh and ubuntu-zh |
| 08:24.53 | swork | hi, skywind |
| 08:24.55 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 08:24.56 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 08:24.58 | Skywind | swork, welcome to #debian-zh and #ubuntu-zh |
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| 08:25.27 | zamolxes | TraceGreen: well the simplest way I an think of now is to make a small html file with &#code; |
| 08:25.33 | streuner | aliahz: we need more infos |
| 08:25.37 | peterS | TraceGreen: anyway, if you lop off 24 bits of ffffff there, leaving you with 0xe5 0x82, that's not valid UTF-8. it might be valid *something* but I don't know what |
| 08:25.44 | aliahz | "can´t determine the display" |
| 08:26.01 | peterS | TraceGreen: 0xe5 is valid iso-8859-1 but 0x82 isn't. so. |
| 08:26.03 | MustangMatt | aliahz: Sarge? |
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| 08:26.27 | TraceGreen | peterS, i don't know either |
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| 08:26.43 | aliahz | mom pls |
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| 08:27.05 | peterS | TraceGreen: it's also not valid ucs2 or utf16/ucs4. anyway. |
| 08:27.06 | TraceGreen | peterS, i am not familar with these, anyway, thx very much!! i think i may get an unicode table first. |
| 08:27.20 | peterS | uh I meant ucs2/utf16 or ucs4. but anyway, none of those |
| 08:27.57 | peterS | TraceGreen: if you had a third byte, between 0x81 and 0xbf inclusive, it would be valid utf-8 |
| 08:28.18 | psychonate | Can anyone recommend a good nutella client? |
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| 08:28.30 | TraceGreen | peterS, Unicode just 2 bytes, right? |
| 08:28.51 | MustangMatt | psychonate: I think limewire is probably a decent linux client. |
| 08:28.56 | peterS | TraceGreen: unicode is 4 bytes. various unicode encodings are different widths |
| 08:28.58 | streuner | aliahz: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:29.00 | psychonate | ah, java though |
| 08:29.00 | aliahz | @mustangmatt - what is sarge- im sorry - noob |
| 08:29.01 | ravenbird | okay, aliahz |
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| 08:29.14 | peterS | TraceGreen: utf-8 is variable-width - between 1 and 4 bytes. ucs-2 is 2 bytes. utf-16 is either 2 or 4 bytes depending on the character. |
| 08:29.16 | streuner | !listauth aliahz |
| 08:29.17 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'aliahz' returned no results. |
| 08:29.31 | peterS | TraceGreen: ucs-4, also known as utf-32, is 4 bytes |
| 08:29.32 | TraceGreen | peterS, really? How long does unicode in Windows XP? |
| 08:29.39 | streuner | ravenbird, listauth aliahz |
| 08:29.41 | ravenbird | factoid author list by 'aliahz' (1): mustangmatt - what. |
| 08:29.43 | ice_1963 | can i still download woody ????? |
| 08:29.44 | peterS | TraceGreen: Windows XP uses UTF-16, so each character is either 2 or 4 bytes. |
| 08:29.56 | streuner | ravenbird, forget mustangmatt -what |
| 08:29.57 | ravenbird | streuner: i didn't have anything called 'mustangmatt -what' to forget |
| 08:29.57 | peterS | TraceGreen: most unicode characters are 2 bytes in UTF-16, but not quite all |
| 08:30.09 | streuner | ravenbird, forget mustangmatt -what. |
| 08:30.09 | ravenbird | i didn't have anything called 'mustangmatt -what.' to forget, streuner |
| 08:30.21 | streuner | ravenbird, forget mustangmatt - what. |
| 08:30.22 | ravenbird | streuner: i didn't have anything called 'mustangmatt - what.' to forget |
| 08:30.27 | streuner | wtf |
| 08:30.32 | TraceGreen | peterS, I just think UTF-16 is 2 bytes. |
| 08:30.33 | peterS | @forget mustangmatt - what |
| 08:30.33 | s_ward | streuner, forget - what |
| 08:30.33 | ravenbird | peterS: i forgot mustangmatt - what |
| 08:30.41 | streuner | thanks |
| 08:30.46 | peterS | TraceGreen: you can think that if you wish. it's not true. |
| 08:30.54 | MustangMatt | What is the ravenbird program for? |
| 08:31.09 | peterS | MustangMatt: it's just a bot that stores bits of information you feed to it |
| 08:31.14 | TraceGreen | peterS, thx!! |
| 08:31.26 | streuner | aliahz: Don't use '@' in front of all lines, this chars are reserved for the bots |
| 08:31.35 | aliahz | sorry |
| 08:31.43 | itom | hi all, do you know a web address where teach to make usb cables, rca, ps2, ecc.. any type of cables |
| 08:31.45 | peterS | TraceGreen: Windows NT 4.0 used UCS-2, which is like UTF-16 without the 4-byte characters. thus UCS-2 is always 2 bytes per char. maybe that is what you are thinking of. |
| 08:31.56 | MustangMatt | aliahz: Sarge is the most recent stable debian release. |
| 08:32.05 | peterS | TraceGreen: but Windows 2000 upgraded to UTF-16 |
| 08:32.07 | streuner | aliahz: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:32.27 | streuner | aliahz: type that command into a shell as root and tell us the output |
| 08:32.31 | aliahz | mom |
| 08:32.54 | psychonate | alien is a pretty neat tool |
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| 08:33.04 | TraceGreen | peterS, for example, how can i know which character of 0x77 0x6d in unicode? |
| 08:33.21 | MustangMatt | eh? Is mom acronym I don't know? |
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| 08:33.40 | peterS | TraceGreen: you have to know the encoding. unicode could mean ucs-2le, ucs-2be, ucs-4, utf-8, utf-16le, utf-16be, utf-32 |
| 08:33.40 | aliahz | sorry - ive rebooted |
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| 08:34.19 | peterS | TraceGreen: uh I forgot, there are actually more encodings than that: ucs-4le, ucs-4be, utf-32le, utf-32be |
| 08:34.25 | streuner | aliahz: why don't you just use debian for IRC? |
| 08:34.31 | peterS | TraceGreen: anyway, all of those are "unicode". so you have to know which you really have |
| 08:34.45 | streuner | aliahz: what i-net connection do you have? |
| 08:34.57 | aliahz | 2mbit |
| 08:35.02 | peterS | TraceGreen: WinXP, as I said, uses UTF-16, specifically UTF-16LE. Linux uses UTF-8 for most purposes. |
| 08:35.03 | TraceGreen | peterS, you told me Windows XP use UTF-16, So, i want to know UTF-16. |
| 08:35.07 | streuner | aliahz: DSL? |
| 08:35.11 | aliahz | yes |
| 08:35.24 | streuner | aliahz: via hardware-Router? |
| 08:35.33 | aliahz | yes |
| 08:35.49 | streuner | aliahz: and the debian-box is in LAN? |
| 08:35.54 | peterS | TraceGreen: ok if you know it's UTF-16LE, as WinXP uses for most things, then the unicode codepoint is normally the second byte then the first byte. this is true for 2-byte characters, it's more complicated for the 4-byte characters |
| 08:36.14 | peterS | TraceGreen: thus e5 82 is unicode character U+82E5 |
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| 08:36.45 | zamolxes | TraceCobur: try using a html entity and see how the browser renders it 睭 should be the entity |
| 08:37.05 | Dakishi | how do i install a theme to change look? |
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| 08:37.11 | streuner | aliahz: Are those boxes connected together? |
| 08:37.18 | peterS | TraceGreen: if your data stream starts with ff fe, by the way, then that's a good indicator that you have UTF-16LE |
| 08:37.23 | streuner | aliahz: over switch or hub? |
| 08:37.26 | aliahz | the internet isnt the problem |
| 08:37.31 | dimir | Dakishi: theme to change look of what? |
| 08:37.40 | streuner | aliahz: so just use debian to IRC |
| 08:37.43 | Dakishi | KDE desktop |
| 08:37.53 | streuner | aliahz: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 08:38.00 | aliahz | at the moment im using my pc - and i only got debian on my laptop |
| 08:38.02 | alex__ | I have a webcam and I apparently need to install a driver called 0v511, all I can find are source for 2.5 kernel and I am on 2.6, any help would be appreciated |
| 08:38.10 | TraceGreen | peterS, i am find a UTF-16 mapping table and check for U82E5, thx!! |
| 08:38.37 | streuner | aliahz: so the laptop is connected to the hardware-router? |
| 08:38.44 | peterS | TraceGreen: well, U+82E5 is a Unicode character, not a UTF-16 character specifically. so find a Unicode data table, like the one in /usr/share/unidata/UnicodeData-4.0.1d1b.txt on Debian systems |
| 08:38.46 | dimir | dak: kde-look.org, choose a theme and you will find the installation instructions there. |
| 08:38.46 | aliahz | no |
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| 08:38.58 | dimir | Dakishi too |
| 08:39.10 | streuner | aliahz: debian makes more fun if you have i-net connection ;-) |
| 08:39.17 | aliahz | yes |
| 08:39.28 | Dakishi | dimir: i downloaded a 3.1 KDE version and my currently is 3.3 and i cannot install i, what can i do? |
| 08:39.32 | peterS | TraceGreen: you'll notice that 82E5 does not exist. I suspect your e5 82 stream isn't right after all |
| 08:39.34 | streuner | aliahz: Do you have a switch or hub? |
| 08:39.36 | peterS | TraceGreen: or it's not utf-16le |
| 08:39.43 | aliahz | but how can i connect toy you - with only one cable |
| 08:39.53 | dimir | Dakishi: find the one for your version |
| 08:40.03 | aliahz | hub |
| 08:40.05 | TraceGreen | peterS, I don't know |
| 08:40.08 | aliahz | i think |
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| 08:40.14 | streuner | aliahz: what kind of hardware-router do you have? wireless build in? |
| 08:40.21 | Dakishi | dimir: eehh but if the one i want is version 3. i cannot do nothing to install it? |
| 08:40.22 | dimir | Dakishi: http://kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=14&PHPSESSID=5b2459777e10d56c120034e6f9df651b |
| 08:40.24 | peterS | TraceGreen: where did you get this "ffffffe5 ffffff82" thing you first mentioned, anyway? |
| 08:40.42 | aliahz | yes - but i dont its workin in my room- and with debian |
| 08:40.43 | dimir | Dakishi: you can rewrite the code |
| 08:40.47 | streuner | aliahz: DrayTek? |
| 08:40.56 | aliahz | whats this |
| 08:40.57 | TraceGreen | peterS, Let me tell you, I am chinese. |
| 08:41.03 | Dakishi | dimir: any manuals that could help? |
| 08:41.12 | TraceGreen | And i try to get some unicode string in Windows, |
| 08:41.32 | TraceGreen | And i want to see chinese character, So, i just printf it. |
| 08:41.34 | Karnaugh | uhm, I'm having trouble trying to mount a flash drive |
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| 08:41.48 | Karnaugh | it has a USB floppy emulation or something as well as some flash drive space |
| 08:41.58 | streuner | aliahz: what model (laptop) do you have? |
| 08:42.02 | Karnaugh | and it seems only to get the flopy disk on /dev/sda |
| 08:42.06 | dimir | Dakishi: yeah, C++/Qt manuals. But, rewriting the code will take a lot of time, you better find the theme for your Desktop from the link I gave you. |
| 08:42.11 | aliahz | acer aspire 2012 wlmi |
| 08:42.19 | Karnaugh | Aug 16 10:34:44 localhost kernel: /dev/scsi/host3/bus0/target0/lun0: unknown partition table |
| 08:42.22 | Karnaugh | Aug 16 10:34:44 localhost kernel: Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi3, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
| 08:42.28 | Karnaugh | thats what i get out of syslog |
| 08:42.30 | Dakishi | dimir: but i want the chobits one T_T |
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| 08:43.02 | peterS | TraceGreen: printf from what application? the C or Perl function of that name? |
| 08:43.18 | streuner | aliahz: http://michel.weimerskirch.net/debian-aspire.php |
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| 08:43.52 | TraceGreen | peterS, C, printf("%02x", c) |
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| 08:44.36 | peterS | TraceGreen: where c is a char variable? |
| 08:44.47 | aliahz | ok-thx i try it like he descsibes |
| 08:44.55 | TraceGreen | peterS, yes. |
| 08:45.07 | peterS | TraceGreen: ok that explains the leading ffffff. if it were unsigned char, it would just print e5 instead of ffffffe5, I guess. |
| 08:45.36 | TraceGreen | peterS, Let me try again frist. |
| 08:45.44 | streuner | aliahz: LAN and Wireless-LAN work pretty well in debian with this laptop |
| 08:45.59 | streuner | aliahz: so what problem do you have in KDE? |
| 08:46.07 | aliahz | yes i know - but the problem is the graphic card- i think |
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| 08:46.38 | streuner | aliahz: so you never get X working? |
| 08:46.51 | aliahz | no |
| 08:47.10 | streuner | ok, read the URL about ATI drivers and follow instructions of this |
| 08:47.14 | streuner | !ati |
| 08:47.14 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 08:47.23 | drac | What ATi card? |
| 08:47.26 | Dakishi | !ati |
| 08:47.26 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 08:47.40 | streuner | aliahz: last URL is what you need |
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| 08:47.53 | aliahz | thx |
| 08:48.10 | MustangMatt | aliahz: You might try ubuntu |
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| 08:48.29 | streuner | !ubuntusmite MustangMatt |
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| 08:48.38 | streuner | drac: http://michel.weimerskirch.net/debian-aspire.php |
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| 08:50.07 | ahewitt | hi all...I have three apache2 web servers, and they are all reading the exact same config files from a mounted file system, however 2 of them a running cgi scripts under suexec no probalems and the other one isn't using suexec...the apache2 packages are from sarge and are identical, the permissions and everything on the suexec wrapper are the same, and when I start apache2 I get the log in the error log saying that suexec has been found |
| 08:50.11 | ahewitt | any ideas |
| 08:50.16 | streuner | drac: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] |
| 08:50.16 | drac | That doesn't explain why it wouldn't work at all.. would only explain missing DRI. |
| 08:50.43 | streuner | drac: he didn't use free ATI drivers |
| 08:52.33 | drac | but still, after installing non-free ATi drivers, and even if screwing that up.. it would still start, but without DRI (with some EE/WW lines in log). Unless XF86Config-4 is really fscked, not even setupped to use fglrx. |
| 08:52.47 | hyperstream | is it possible to get war craft 3 or quake 3 or like counter strike working on linux? |
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| 08:53.21 | streuner | drac: he used prolly no extern ATI drivers at all... |
| 08:53.35 | yaarg | hyperstream: warcraft 3 most certaintly under cedega, quake 3 yes natively and cs I don't know about |
| 08:53.43 | yaarg | hyperstream: but steam works |
| 08:54.07 | sep | hyperstream, look at the cedega games database |
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| 08:54.54 | Dakishi | when my screen tryes to refresh it stays in the black screen and i dont get any image what can i do to fix this? |
| 08:55.16 | streuner | Dakishi: laptop? |
| 08:55.26 | Dakishi | streuner: nope, nomarl pc |
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| 08:58.15 | streuner | Dakishi: What do you mean with 'image'? |
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| 08:58.54 | streuner | Dakishi: What version of debian? |
| 08:58.55 | jkaufman | peterS: are you still around? |
| 08:59.02 | peterS | jkaufman: perhaps |
| 08:59.07 | jkaufman | well |
| 08:59.09 | jkaufman | the install worked |
| 08:59.13 | peterS | jkaufman: which install? |
| 08:59.20 | peterS | jkaufman: debian without framebuffer, or the g word? |
| 08:59.23 | jkaufman | but, when it came time to boot up deb, it did the same thing |
| 08:59.26 | jkaufman | framebuffer |
| 08:59.42 | jkaufman | didnt want to work with sarge though |
| 08:59.46 | jkaufman | so i used woody |
| 08:59.51 | Dakishi | streuner: ehhh you know the desktop it stays in black, and my deb versio nis 3.1 |
| 08:59.58 | streuner | Dakishi: besides, xandros isn't debian, so install debian OR /j #xandros |
| 09:00.09 | peterS | jkaufman: ah yeah, woody had a video=vga16:off argument or something, didn't it? |
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| 09:00.20 | jkaufman | thats the one |
| 09:00.22 | Dakishi | streuner: well i got the 2 OS =P only that i cannot see on debian |
| 09:00.27 | bibe | hi all. As of many of us probably do, I use apt-pinning to manage my laptop's packages, using mostly sarge plus some packages from etch and sid. To update my packages, I use to do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get -t testing install <pkg1> <pkg2> && apt-get -t unstable install <pkg3> <pkg4>. As <pkg4> from unstable depends on version <pkg5> (version >=1.2.3) only available in testing, version 1.2.3 of package <pkg5> installs automatically. |
| 09:00.32 | jkaufman | sarge is debian-installer/framebuffer=false |
| 09:00.41 | peterS | jkaufman: you can use that same argument at the normal boot prompt - you get the normal boot prompt by hitting left shift when it displays "LILO" just before booting |
| 09:00.48 | peterS | jkaufman: right, that sounds familiar |
| 09:00.56 | streuner | Dakishi: < |
| 09:00.59 | streuner | Dakishi: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 09:01.05 | bibe | is there any way to "auto-update" <pkg5> without having to explicitly apt-get -t testing install <pkg5>? |
| 09:01.09 | jkaufman | i tell you, it would be nice to not have to do that atall everytime i boot heh |
| 09:01.31 | streuner | bibe: yes, but its pretty stupid |
| 09:01.38 | peterS | jkaufman: right, you can add the following to /etc/lilo.conf and rerun lilo: append="video=vga16:off" |
| 09:01.46 | jkaufman | ok |
| 09:01.49 | jkaufman | will do |
| 09:01.50 | Dakishi | streuner: lol, who knows =P, i just installed the install net debian |
| 09:01.51 | MustangMatt | Wow my raid rebuild moved like .2% only 4.6 days left. |
| 09:01.51 | streuner | bibe: don't use cron-apt |
| 09:02.00 | jkaufman | are you going to be around for a little bit peters? |
| 09:02.14 | peterS | jkaufman: a little bit. it is 4:00 here, I will be going to bed pretty soon |
| 09:02.18 | streuner | Dakishi: We need some infos in order to help you |
| 09:02.21 | jkaufman | mmk |
| 09:02.25 | bibe | streuner : does cron-apt do it automatically? |
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| 09:02.28 | jkaufman | but hey, this is definatly progress :) |
| 09:02.32 | Dakishi | streuner: thats the prob i cannot see... |
| 09:02.35 | alex__ | how can I restart the Xwindow and retrieve all my ps back in their shell after restart ? |
| 09:02.39 | streuner | !info cron-apt |
| 09:02.41 | jkaufman | when i started tonight, it wouldnt even boot :) |
| 09:02.41 | dpkg | cron-apt: (automatic update of packages using apt-get), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.3.0 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 09:02.45 | jkaufman | brb |
| 09:02.52 | MustangMatt | streuner: I think X is loading for him but not KDE maybe? |
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| 09:03.06 | bibe | streuner : thank you very much |
| 09:03.20 | streuner | MustangMatt: his X didn't work for him at all |
| 09:03.34 | yazid-work | alex__: x clients usually die with the server. for anything running in a terminal, use screen |
| 09:03.38 | streuner | bibe: just upgrade package manually |
| 09:03.44 | MustangMatt | Oh so he means command line when he says "Black Screen" ? |
| 09:03.45 | streuner | bibe: packages* |
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| 09:03.57 | streuner | bibe: You have better control what's going then... |
| 09:04.02 | bibe | streuner : ok, thanks |
| 09:04.12 | JiMo | hi, please does anybody here use v4l2? I need sme help with compiling modules... |
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| 09:04.33 | streuner | MustangMatt: oh, you are refering to someone else... |
| 09:04.51 | streuner | MustangMatt: We've still not enough infos about |
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| 09:05.45 | sep | JiMo, what module ? |
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| 09:05.58 | TraceGreen | peterS, you are right, if use unsigned char, just oxe5 0x82, but how can i get chinese character? |
| 09:06.45 | peterS | TraceGreen: make sure you're getting the 2 bytes of the actual character involved |
| 09:06.47 | ginipig | what's wrong with cron-apt? |
| 09:07.22 | MustangMatt | cron-apt can't answer Y/N questions properly. heh. |
| 09:07.28 | peterS | TraceGreen: if you're actually printing, for example, foo[0] and foo[1], where foo is a unicode string, that won't work |
| 09:08.04 | TraceGreen | peterS, I am try to use qt library. |
| 09:08.07 | peterS | TraceGreen: since foo[1] will skip to the start of the next character |
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| 09:08.17 | peterS | TraceGreen: well, I don't know Qt at all |
| 09:08.36 | TraceGreen | peterS, It doesn't matter, you help me a lot!! |
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| 09:09.08 | Jamsi | Anyone know how to get rid of the "you have new mail" when logged into ssh. And no I'm not running biff. |
| 09:09.21 | peterS | TraceGreen: I forget the type name for unicode strings in windows C code, but if you have a string variable foo of that type, you might try printf("%04x", (unsigned short)foo[0]); |
| 09:09.22 | MustangMatt | delete your mail? |
| 09:09.32 | Jamsi | MustangMatt - besides that |
| 09:09.38 | peterS | TraceGreen: with luck that'll give you a unicode codepoint directly |
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| 09:10.27 | mixter | i just upgraded from mysql 4.0 to mysql 4.1 (using packages in sarge) all seems to work fine, but the status of my mysql-server-package are ci and my mysql-server-4.1 is id. will aptitude delete my new package and reinstall the old one? |
| 09:11.49 | TraceGreen | peterS, yes, now i get 0090 005f, i think it is a chinese character, i am thinking how to check it. |
| 09:12.03 | Joyrider | Jamsi: there is an option for it in /etc/pam.d/ssh, grep that file for "mail" |
| 09:12.26 | jm_ | Jamsi: PAM config files |
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| 09:12.39 | Jamsi | Ta |
| 09:12.47 | peterS | TraceGreen: well, U+0090 is a control character, and U+005F is _ |
| 09:12.50 | Jamsi | Theres no file/folder called ssh in pam.d |
| 09:12.55 | jm_ | yes there is |
| 09:12.56 | peterS | TraceGreen: U+905F and U+5F90 do not exist |
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| 09:13.23 | peterS | TraceGreen: so I still don't know what's going on |
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| 09:14.21 | TraceGreen | peterS, so.... Anyway, thx very much!! |
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| 09:14.39 | peterS | TraceGreen: furthermore, 90 5F and 5F 90 are not valid UTF-8 sequences |
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| 09:15.03 | Jamsi | jm_: There is too :P |
| 09:15.49 | peterS | TraceGreen: if you can cast your original string to a variable like unsigned char *foo, then printf foo[0] and foo[1], that might give you what you want |
| 09:15.49 | yang | When I try to use realplayer it gives me no sound, the other player xmms works well ? |
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| 09:16.54 | Jamsi | jm_, Im not just talking about when the user logs in, but through the session |
| 09:17.28 | dhp_doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:20.31 | jm_ | Jamsi: that's bash doing it |
| 09:20.40 | jm_ | jamuraa: or whichever shell you're using |
| 09:20.45 | jm_ | Jamsi ^^^^^ |
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| 09:22.09 | ma3x | how do i take down eth0? |
| 09:22.17 | umbop | ifdown eth0 |
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| 09:22.28 | ma3x | umbop, it says ifdown: interface eth0 not configured |
| 09:22.36 | blutengel | ifconfig eth0 down |
| 09:22.43 | quittt | why halt conflicts with udev?? |
| 09:22.47 | ma3x | thanks |
| 09:22.53 | quittt | s/halt/hal |
| 09:23.13 | quittt | not hal sorry |
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| 09:23.26 | quittt | alsa-ultils conflics with udev |
| 09:23.28 | quittt | why? |
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| 09:24.57 | sep | dhp_doublehp, tar if you did it a few days ago |
| 09:25.09 | nkuttler | quittt: let me guess, you're not running sarge? |
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| 09:25.40 | TwistedEmotions | When you do apt-get upgrade... do those packages go into effect immediately as installed or after a reboot? |
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| 09:26.00 | MustangMatt | Goodnight all |
| 09:26.02 | nkuttler | TwistedEmotions: usually immediately if it's not a kernel |
| 09:26.04 | TwistedEmotions | gnite ;) |
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| 09:26.35 | TwistedEmotions | nkuttler: wow.. not only does windows require a restart.. but normally causes errors left and right till you do restart |
| 09:26.50 | nkuttler | TwistedEmotions: welcome to a real os |
| 09:26.51 | dhp_doublehp | sep you said that 1h ago |
| 09:26.57 | quittt | nkuttler: no |
| 09:27.01 | quittt | nkuttler: etch |
| 09:27.02 | quittt | why? |
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| 09:27.11 | TwistedEmotions | nkuttler: Weee ;) |
| 09:27.11 | ma3x_ | when i run 'dhclient' eth1 and sit0 show. How to remove them? |
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| 09:27.24 | nkuttler | quittt: /msg dpkg bts, if it's not there submit a bug report and attach a fix |
| 09:27.28 | sep | ma3x_, dont load the modules for them |
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| 09:27.43 | TwistedEmotions | Now if only I can get sid to work without any errors. |
| 09:27.45 | ma3x_ | sep what module is for sit0? |
| 09:27.51 | dimir | ma3x_: run dhclient <interface> |
| 09:28.00 | nkuttler | TwistedEmotions: if you're new to debian stick with stable |
| 09:28.05 | ma3x_ | dimir, I know but on boot it runs just 'dhclient' |
| 09:28.09 | ma3x_ | so I don't have any control |
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| 09:28.20 | quittt | what the fuck |
| 09:28.25 | nkuttler | TwistedEmotions: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 09:28.30 | quittt | alsa-utils recomends it and conflits with it |
| 09:28.30 | TwistedEmotions | nkuttler: Im new... and by new I mean like 3-4 months... |
| 09:28.35 | dimir | ma3x_: configure only one as dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:28.36 | sep | ma3x_, it's for ipv6 tunnels |
| 09:28.42 | nkuttler | !comfort quittt |
| 09:28.43 | dpkg | There, there, quittt. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 09:29.08 | rata | TwistedEmotions, use testing, sid it is really unstable right now (a new stable version has just been release) |
| 09:29.11 | dimir | ma3x_: and remember, in GNU/Linux you always have a control (if you are root, that is) ;-) |
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| 09:29.22 | sep | ma3x_, ie (dont load ipv6 modules) |
| 09:29.25 | TwistedEmotions | nkuttler: Was running testing but dont like waiting for like 4-6 weeks for new packages... it's okay though.. I can normally debug preety well ;) |
| 09:29.28 | nkuttler | well, testing is not really stable either |
| 09:29.32 | sep | ma3x_, but you know dit0 dosnt do any har beeing there |
| 09:29.34 | TwistedEmotions | rata: Like 3 weeks too late ;) |
| 09:29.35 | sep | sit0 |
| 09:29.39 | nkuttler | TwistedEmotions: ok, go ahead :) |
| 09:29.43 | TwistedEmotions | nkuttler: Heh? Sure it is.. |
| 09:29.59 | ma3x_ | sep, can you please take a look at http://pastebin.com/338098 |
| 09:30.03 | ma3x_ | is that oright? |
| 09:30.15 | TwistedEmotions | nkuttler: testing was preety stable.. |
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| 09:30.30 | nkuttler | TwistedEmotions: you were lucky |
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| 09:30.41 | quittt | which I stay with |
| 09:30.50 | quittt | alsa-utils or udev? |
| 09:31.02 | TwistedEmotions | nkuttler: Even sid I think is preety stable... no blue screens yet ;) Weee... |
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| 09:31.17 | ma3x | sep, is that good so? |
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| 09:31.43 | rata | quittt, Suggests: udev (>= 0.063), lsb-base. Conflicts: udev (< 0.060) |
| 09:31.51 | sep | ma3x, looks ok too me, but i dont use wireless interfaces much, |
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| 09:31.53 | rata | quittt, update udev :-P |
| 09:32.00 | liable | nooo! |
| 09:32.08 | nkuttler | hm, i'd rather have sound, but that's me... |
| 09:32.10 | quittt | rata: I use etch |
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| 09:32.35 | liable | quittt: this is a dist-upgrade? tried just an upgrade? |
| 09:32.42 | rata | quittt, me too |
| 09:32.48 | TwistedEmotions | nkuttler: better then windows... all their new OS's are unstable... and by the time they're really stable theyre as outdate as win98 |
| 09:32.57 | quittt | rata: just upgrade |
| 09:33.01 | TwistedEmotions | nkuttler: hell win98 never made it to stable... hahaha |
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| 09:33.38 | TwistedEmotions | gnite all ;) |
| 09:33.43 | Alextim | Hello to all. |
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| 09:34.09 | quittt | liable: just upgrade |
| 09:34.12 | quittt | isnt the same? |
| 09:34.14 | finn | the only usable windows was 2000 |
| 09:34.23 | nkuttler | quittt: man apt-get will tell |
| 09:34.25 | Alextim | After instalation new kernel want do mkinitrd but recieve answer command not found |
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| 09:34.28 | liable | quittt: not really. |
| 09:34.43 | quittt | I dont use apt-get |
| 09:34.46 | quittt | aptitude forever |
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| 09:35.07 | rata | quittt, does aptitude say that is udev being kept back ? |
| 09:35.35 | quittt | rata: it says it conflics with alsa-utils |
| 09:35.40 | inu | quittt, aptitude has dist-upgrade.. |
| 09:35.41 | jhaig | Anyone know of a distribution, preferably Debian based, that is geared towards desktop installs within a computer lab. Ie, things such as NIS and NFS are set up by default. |
| 09:36.20 | rata | quittt, when you do an upgrade, i was saying |
| 09:36.21 | s_ward | Alextim, do you have initrd-tools ? |
| 09:36.32 | nkuttler | jhaig: hm, debian itself? how hard is configuring nis and nfs... |
| 09:36.33 | quittt | rata: what? |
| 09:36.43 | Alextim | yes initrd-tools was installed |
| 09:37.11 | quittt | lots of apps died |
| 09:37.12 | Alextim | may be must be some new version |
| 09:37.17 | quittt | like xine-ui |
| 09:37.18 | jm_ | jhaig: you can do this with Debian |
| 09:37.24 | peterS | jhaig: NIS client installation is easy - just install the nis package, done. nfs client is just a matter of adding lines to /etc/fstab. the difficulty is installing the servers. and that can't be automated, the admin has to make decisions |
| 09:37.24 | quittt | and beep-media-playe3r |
| 09:37.35 | quittt | I am using ftp.debian.org as a mirror |
| 09:37.40 | rata | quittt, nothing. I go to sleep, luck with that |
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| 09:37.55 | amorphix | heh |
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| 09:38.11 | jhaig | I know it is not hard, but I was just wondering if there are any distributions that have been tuned with that in mind. There seems to be a distribution for almost every other situation. ;-) |
| 09:38.36 | peterS | jhaig: what you really want is scripting to install all of your machines in some automated manner. that can be prepackaged to some extent - check out debian-installer preseeding - but it's also not hard to do manually when you know exactly what you want |
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| 09:39.33 | quittt | shit |
| 09:39.40 | quittt | which mirror are you using? |
| 09:39.47 | peterS | quittt: don't you mean "shittt"? |
| 09:39.50 | s_ward | Alextim, does `whereis mkinitrd' find it? |
| 09:40.16 | zOap_Mac | anyone knows about a protools channel on irc? |
| 09:40.36 | s_ward | Alextim, you may need /usr/sbin in your PATH, or run /usr/sbin/mkinitrd |
| 09:40.36 | peterS | zOap_Mac: since freenode is about free software, I doubt you'll find one on this network |
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| 09:40.53 | liable | udev conflicts with udev < 0.060 and i bet you cant install it, because of the stupid fucking 2.6.12 problem that he refuses to fix.. |
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| 09:41.09 | jm_ | liable: hasn't it turned out it doesn't really need 2.6.12? |
| 09:41.16 | zOap_Mac | peterS, yeah, thats why I asked if anyone knows of one on IRC:) |
| 09:42.12 | liable | jm_: read it yesterday for a laugh, it has a check script which wont install it unless a 2.6.12 is installed, but god help you if you need to revert back to a lower kernel version.. |
| 09:43.15 | liable | jm_: as was my interpretation.. |
| 09:43.33 | Alextim | in derectory /usr/sbin/mkinitrd i hove only few files and mkinitrd.conf like i anderstand missing script file mkinitrd |
| 09:43.42 | jm_ | liable: he had some blog entries about this and it turned out it doesn't actually need 2.6.12, but I have no idea if a newer version has been released that fixes this (I don't use udev anyway) |
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| 09:44.20 | sep | jhaig, read about fai, + cfengine. debian-edu is geared towards such, but uses LDAP instead of NIS |
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| 09:44.42 | Alextim | may be i must reinstall this package |
| 09:44.54 | s_ward | Alextim, I'd give that a try :) |
| 09:45.18 | SpiC | i'm a newbie - what's my problem? http://temp.chram.net/debian/d1.jpg |
| 09:45.20 | liable | jm_: I havent read his blog, but according to bts it applies to debian, hence the script to check for 2.6.12. Might have to read his blog.. (the bug report is quite an interesting read :) |
| 09:45.36 | SpiC | (i canb"t find out) |
| 09:45.56 | Alextim | but apt-get show me initrd-tools latest version installed |
| 09:46.02 | liable | well, argument... |
| 09:46.40 | Alextim | may be must have something else |
| 09:48.47 | Alextim | s_ward: what files must be inside /usr/sbin/mkinitrd |
| 09:48.54 | SpiC | i have two hdds - master with winxp and slave with debian i've installed grub on the second, but it is unable to boot debian either win |
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| 09:49.09 | s_ward | Alextim, AFAIK it shouldn't be a directory, |
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| 09:49.34 | s_ward | Alextim, that should be the location of the mkinitrd executable |
| 09:50.21 | Alextim | s_ward:but i dont have executeble script inside |
| 09:50.39 | jaker | SpiC: so you installed grub on the slave? |
| 09:50.46 | SpiC | jaker: zes |
| 09:50.55 | SpiC | re: yes |
| 09:50.56 | Alextim | s_ward:O.k somthing missing i try reinstall this package |
| 09:51.05 | jaker | it has to be in the masterboot from your master |
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| 09:51.34 | SpiC | but why it offered this possibility, which i like more? |
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| 09:52.31 | jaker | you can make a double boot with XP that's why it gives you this option |
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| 09:52.58 | paawelek | hi there |
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| 09:53.11 | SpiC | ye, i know, but this is a temporal solution for me, so i wanted my master mbr untouched |
| 09:53.34 | jaker | you can change your boot.ini |
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| 09:53.54 | Alextim | s_ward: how i must write to put new repositories www.apt-get.org (syntaxis) |
| 09:54.21 | paawelek | i'm having "Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied" problem while sending mail via postfix... what do you need to help me? |
| 09:54.26 | SpiC | jaker: why should i do that? win is ok |
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| 09:54.58 | s_ward | Alextim, you shouldn't need a new repository for initrd-tools, but you should find the answer in man sources.list |
| 09:55.03 | jaker | in boot.ini you can put the second boot option, your slave read on the net |
| 09:55.05 | jm_ | paawelek: isn't it obvious? |
| 09:56.04 | SpiC | there's no problem with starting booting from slave, but with booting itself |
| 09:56.17 | Alextim | s_ward: :) i undatstand this... but sometimes it is not so easy |
| 09:56.23 | jaker | oh, ok i misunderstood then |
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| 09:57.20 | SpiC | jaker: http://temp.chram.net/debian/d1.jpg |
| 09:57.54 | gentop | how to install kde on debian? |
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| 09:58.00 | Alextim | s_ward: ok thanks i try once more, bue |
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| 09:58.50 | jaker | SpiC: your root partition can't be mounted |
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| 09:59.45 | SpiC | jaker: i wish i knew why, to fix that, is there something bad> http://temp.chram.net/debian/d0.jpg |
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| 10:01.12 | jaker | SpiC: seems ok to me, can't help you, sorry |
| 10:01.29 | paawelek | jm_: http://1o.pl/main.cf |
| 10:01.58 | jm_ | paawelek: what is that? |
| 10:02.18 | SpiC | jaker: :( |
| 10:02.34 | jaker | SpiC: :-( |
| 10:02.48 | paawelek | jm_: postfix conf file |
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| 10:04.24 | jm_ | paawelek: doesn't mean anything to me, I am not using postfix - but you need to configure it properly so that it will let you send mail (that is, it should let you relay for some domains) |
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| 10:04.48 | chrislightfoot | anybody here who understands fontconfig? |
| 10:04.55 | SpiC | somebody know what's my problem? |
| 10:05.04 | s_ward | !anybody |
| 10:05.04 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 10:05.07 | s_ward | !somebody |
| 10:05.08 | dpkg | hmm... somebody is a person , who has a body |
| 10:05.22 | chrislightfoot | oh, top quality ;-) |
| 10:05.27 | s_ward | chrislightfoot, /msg dpkg fontconfig |
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| 10:05.47 | s_ward | Our friendly dpkg will tell you where to look |
| 10:05.49 | chrislightfoot | <s_ward> chrislightfoot, /msg dpkg fontconfig <-- let me ask the question anyway |
| 10:06.01 | chrislightfoot | fontconfig has some notion of font names and aliases |
| 10:06.07 | chrislightfoot | X also has a notion of font names and aliases |
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| 10:06.26 | chrislightfoot | in current debian it appears that gtk programs have been configured to ignore the X fonts and always use fontconfig |
| 10:06.33 | paawelek | jm_:so you think that domains aren't set properly? |
| 10:06.46 | chrislightfoot | so how do i make gtk programs see fonts which are given aliases through the X11 mechanism? |
| 10:07.06 | jm_ | paawelek: the domains it relays for aren't |
| 10:07.36 | chrislightfoot | ah, for me it just didn't work |
| 10:07.39 | chrislightfoot | in fact it broke everything |
| 10:07.45 | jm_ | you probably mean GTK2 programs |
| 10:07.51 | chrislightfoot | because it's hidden all the fonts i use on other systems behind some pile of fontconfig obscurity |
| 10:08.14 | chrislightfoot | very probably -- i don't particularly care which version of the toolkit they use; i just want the fonts to work! |
| 10:08.18 | paawelek | jm_: thanx, i think ill' manage |
| 10:08.43 | jm_ | what tool are you talking about? |
| 10:08.49 | chrislightfoot | ok |
| 10:08.58 | chrislightfoot | i have a line in (e.g.) my vim configuration which sets the font to 6x13 |
| 10:09.09 | chrislightfoot | 6x13 is an alias for a certain font in the X11 base fonts |
| 10:09.15 | chrislightfoot | now, on all other machines that works properly |
| 10:09.21 | chrislightfoot | on my new debian machine it doesn't |
| 10:09.27 | jm_ | for what? |
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| 10:09.34 | chrislightfoot | what do you mean? |
| 10:09.39 | jm_ | which tool doesn't work? |
| 10:09.48 | chrislightfoot | any tool selecting a font |
| 10:09.55 | chrislightfoot | (which goes via fontconfig) |
| 10:09.57 | jm_ | please be specific |
| 10:10.01 | chrislightfoot | so: gvim |
| 10:10.13 | chrislightfoot | (obviously X toolkit programs work correctly) |
| 10:10.33 | s_ward | chrislightfoot, in gvim: :set guifont=* select a font through that, you get the name you need to use |
| 10:10.39 | chrislightfoot | no good |
| 10:10.43 | chrislightfoot | i have a vim configuration |
| 10:10.46 | jm_ | you mean gvim -fn doesn't work? |
| 10:10.46 | chrislightfoot | i use it on lots of machines |
| 10:10.54 | s_ward | chrislightfoot, use a .gvimrc as well |
| 10:11.06 | chrislightfoot | i have a vim + gvim config which is checked out on lots of machines |
| 10:11.21 | chrislightfoot | on all of those, *except* the debian one i've just installed, set guifont=6x13 works as it should |
| 10:11.32 | chrislightfoot | on debian it doesn't, because fontconfig doesn't incorporate the X11 font aliases correctly |
| 10:11.46 | chrislightfoot | so, the question is, how do i make fontconfig use the X11 font aliases |
| 10:11.47 | chrislightfoot | ? |
| 10:11.55 | jm_ | does it work if you use the proper font name? |
| 10:12.04 | chrislightfoot | what do you mean by "proper"? |
| 10:12.12 | chrislightfoot | fontconfig doesn't appear to accept X11 font names, if that's what you mean |
| 10:12.22 | chrislightfoot | e.g. it wants things like "Fixed-13" |
| 10:12.36 | chrislightfoot | rather than "-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-7" or whatever |
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| 10:13.01 | jm_ | no, the full font name, including faundry, familiy etc. |
| 10:13.02 | chrislightfoot | basically: is there some incantation to do this, or do i have to write a parser for the X11 font alias files and stuff the contents into the fontconfig XML format for this to work? |
| 10:13.23 | chrislightfoot | ok... if it doesn't accept X font names, it's no good, because what i want is not to have different configurations on different machines |
| 10:13.52 | jm_ | uhh you're confused - that is a X11 fotn name, I am just verifying if the fact you mentioned is true |
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| 10:14.22 | chrislightfoot | "Fixed-13" ? no it isn't |
| 10:14.25 | chrislightfoot | : chris@caesious ~ \$; xterm -fn Fixed-13 |
| 10:14.25 | chrislightfoot | xterm: unable to open font "Fixed-13", trying "fixed".... |
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| 10:14.45 | jhaig | sep: Just read your reply to my, completely by chance (I pressed the wrong button and scrolled up several pages). debian-edu looks interesting. Thanks. |
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| 10:14.59 | chrislightfoot | alternatively, is there a way to stop programs from using fontconfig and have them go through X instead? |
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| 10:15.09 | jm_ | you can configure fontconfig to include bitmapped fonts, but they will have different names |
| 10:15.19 | chrislightfoot | yeah, i've done that, but it doesn't help |
| 10:15.38 | chrislightfoot | my question is really simple. is there a way to get fontconfig to recognise the X11 font aliases, or not? |
| 10:16.20 | jm_ | I don't think so, but don't take this as a definitve answer |
| 10:16.31 | chrislightfoot | ok -- is there anybody about who knows? |
| 10:16.52 | CountZ | *sniff* tomcat4 depends on apache2-common :-( |
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| 10:16.55 | CountZ | why |
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| 10:17.41 | sep | CountZ, guess once |
| 10:18.09 | CountZ | I havn't a clue man, as to why it would depend on apache2-common and not be happy with apache-common |
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| 10:18.52 | Guerin | CountZ: that's just how it is |
| 10:18.52 | jm_ | odd, gvim doesn't honour -fn switch here at all |
| 10:19.41 | Joyrider | CountZ: libapache-mod-jk works with apache1 and suggests tomcat4, does that not work? |
| 10:20.09 | CountZ | I see two packages separated with a | |
| 10:20.19 | CountZ | for some reason it does not find the first one, only the second |
| 10:20.26 | CountZ | I installed the first packages manually and now it's ok |
| 10:20.29 | CountZ | weird stuff |
| 10:20.29 | Joyrider | install the first one manually |
| 10:20.32 | CountZ | yah |
| 10:20.33 | Joyrider | haha ok |
| 10:20.49 | Joyrider | sometimes apt/dpkg chooses things by itself that probably aren't the best options |
| 10:20.55 | CountZ | yah so it seems |
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| 10:22.09 | liable | wtf is up with exim. It satrted hanging on start up, when booting my sid box, and a fresh sarge install does the same on another.. (about 15 sec hang..) never used to do this.. |
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| 10:22.45 | chrislightfoot | <jm_> odd, gvim doesn't honour -fn switch here at all <-- hmm. it does here, but you have to pass it a specific gontconfig font string |
| 10:22.53 | chrislightfoot | i assume it's just a shortcut for 'set guifont' |
| 10:23.15 | sep | liable, it's doing namequeries, if it cant query, it have to timeout |
| 10:23.44 | Marcion_ | okay, I installed Debian for someone (a Gentoo user personally but don't hold that against me), I did a network install with the original boot from floppy (which came with a 2.4 kernel) |
| 10:23.56 | jm_ | chrislightfoot: did that, I sued the same string that works for other apps using fontconfig but the fucker ignores it |
| 10:24.02 | jm_ | used |
| 10:24.09 | Marcion_ | I have been installing different 2.6 kernels but I cannot get sound to work |
| 10:24.35 | Guerin | Marcion_: /msg dpkg sound |
| 10:24.36 | sep | Marcion_, install the latest 2.6 kernel-image that is in the repo, then /msg dpkg alsa setup |
| 10:24.41 | Marcion_ | It seems to recognise the soundcard but says "No volume control elements and/or devices found." |
| 10:24.46 | Marcion_ | cheers sep |
| 10:25.00 | jm_ | alsa for morons sounds bulletproof ;) |
| 10:25.01 | chrislightfoot | jm_ -- odd -- it works here |
| 10:25.19 | sep | Marcion_, hmm alsa setup is gone read sound instead |
| 10:25.35 | jm_ | chrislightfoot: it doesn't like this for example "Nimbus Mono L:style=Bold" (same thing if I use xft prefix) |
| 10:25.53 | jm_ | or if I add pixelsize and so on |
| 10:26.12 | chrislightfoot | hmmm... i only tried a simple name ("Fixed 10" / "Fixed 13"), but that worked |
| 10:26.34 | liable | sep: cheers, have an idea why too. thanks. :) |
| 10:26.48 | chrislightfoot | what happens if you do the same in set guifont="..." ? |
| 10:26.58 | jm_ | yes that works, what a dumb application |
| 10:27.19 | Marcion_ | hmm, I have the latest (2.6.11) now, (I also have .8 and .10) |
| 10:27.37 | Marcion_ | is it dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base |
| 10:27.38 | Marcion_ | ? |
| 10:27.43 | Marcion_ | what is the command |
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| 10:27.57 | Marcion_ | dpkg alsa setup did nothing |
| 10:27.59 | chrislightfoot | hmm |
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| 10:28.05 | jm_ | marcel: do what Guerin told you |
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| 10:28.10 | jm_ | Marcion_ ^^^^^ |
| 10:28.24 | chrislightfoot | if i pass -fn ... that string winds up in the guifont setting |
| 10:28.38 | jm_ | yes, it's the same setting |
| 10:28.39 | chrislightfoot | it doesn't seem to be the font that it's using (though tbh i'm not sure what that font looks like, so i can't be sure) |
| 10:29.15 | jm_ | chrislightfoot: easy thing to do is xterm -fa 'fontname' and compare it in gvim and xterm |
| 10:29.17 | Marcion_ | "dpkg: need an action option" |
| 10:29.27 | jm_ | !tell Marcion_ -about sound |
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| 10:29.46 | chrislightfoot | ah, here i can't even set Nimbus Mono L as a font in the gui -- it always uses 'Sans' instead |
| 10:29.52 | one2 | damn early! mornin all |
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| 10:30.19 | defcon8 | early? :| its 1330 |
| 10:30.26 | Marcion_ | okay I try that page :) |
| 10:30.26 | jm_ | chrislightfoot: gvim -fn 'Nimbus Mono L 15' (as long as fc-list shows Nimbus fotns as available) |
| 10:30.55 | jm_ | it's not a particularly useful font |
| 10:31.40 | chrislightfoot | definitely have Nimbus Mono L; gvim doesn't want to use it |
| 10:31.58 | chrislightfoot | (if I say -fn 'Nimbus Mono L 15' it gives me sans in a bigger size, though) |
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| 10:32.27 | chrislightfoot | <jm_> chrislightfoot: easy thing to do is xterm -fa 'fontname' and compare it in gvim and xterm <-- not sure how this helps -- i don't much want to use truetype fonts in xterm either! |
| 10:32.37 | jm_ | experimetn with some other fonts then (I used Neep from jmkl family) |
| 10:32.48 | chrislightfoot | i think you misunderstand |
| 10:32.49 | jm_ | chrislightfoot: heh just to check if it's using that font |
| 10:32.54 | jm_ | naah I don't |
| 10:33.15 | chrislightfoot | i have a perfectly good configuration which works on every other machine and uses X11 base fonts; i just want it to work on my laptop too! |
| 10:33.34 | yaarg | it makes sense to source .bash_profile in .xsession right? |
| 10:33.45 | chrislightfoot | (xterm -fa 'Nimbus Mono L 15' doesn't give me Nimbus Mono either) |
| 10:34.00 | yaarg | rather than put all enviornment variables in .bashrc whcih is executed every time a shell is launched |
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| 10:34.20 | s_ward | chrislightfoot, I just tried gvim -f 'Nimbus Mono L 15', and got exactly the same as you: Sans 15; When I selected the font through :set guifont=*, it looked unlike Sans, and more probably Nimbus |
| 10:34.27 | s_ward | s/f/fn/ |
| 10:34.37 | alex____ | if a device is busy, how can I know which process is using it ? |
| 10:34.54 | dimir | alex____: lsof | grep <device> |
| 10:35.02 | chrislightfoot | s_ward -- it works ok if i say -fn Courier |
| 10:35.09 | chrislightfoot | so i suspect it's broken wrt spaces or something |
| 10:35.09 | alex____ | thanks ! |
| 10:35.17 | dimir | alex____: no problemo |
| 10:35.47 | s_ward | chrislightfoot, try 'Nimbus Mono L, 15' (note the comma) |
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| 10:36.18 | chrislightfoot | nope, that doesn't work either |
| 10:36.31 | s_ward | chrislightfoot, I did a :set guifont after to show me the font, and it displayed it like that |
| 10:36.45 | jm_ | chrislightfoot: are those other machines also Debian based? |
| 10:36.51 | Coke | How come icewmbg does not set the background according to the .icewm/preferences file? What is the magic password to make icewmbg show a JPEG or PNG image? xsetroot only uses bitmap data too, any other X background setters I could use? |
| 10:36.53 | chrislightfoot | nope |
| 10:37.01 | chrislightfoot | but they all have X11 on them, which is all that matters from this pov |
| 10:37.02 | jm_ | Coke: display |
| 10:37.04 | alex____ | if I plug a webcam , I have /dev/video0 that is created, how can I do to see what is there ? if I do a cat it says bad address |
| 10:37.15 | s_ward | chrislightfoot, try single quoting the argument to gvim -fn |
| 10:37.21 | jm_ | haha that's not true, perhaps gvim on them doesn't use fontconfig |
| 10:37.30 | chrislightfoot | well, no, happily! |
| 10:37.46 | chrislightfoot | fontconfig is the problem, not vim |
| 10:38.10 | Coke | jm_: doesn't it use the $DISPLAY variable? |
| 10:38.18 | s_ward | SuSE at least ships with fontconfig, whether gvim uses it or not, I don't know |
| 10:38.39 | chrislightfoot | is there a way to stop gtk programs from using fontconfig, or do i have to recompile gtk? |
| 10:38.40 | Coke | jm_: icewmbg doesn't support the -display switch |
| 10:38.56 | jm_ | Coke: display is a utility |
| 10:39.17 | Coke | jm_: ahhhhhhh. :) |
| 10:39.20 | jm_ | it's the apps that should support this, not fontconfig |
| 10:39.26 | chrislightfoot | um |
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| 10:39.41 | yaarg | you must be able to find out what files a process is using in /proc some place no? |
| 10:39.45 | chrislightfoot | i thought fontconfig was supposed to provide a unified interface to font selection so that other programs didn't have to support >1 font model? |
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| 10:40.06 | chrislightfoot | the problem is that it doesn't support the existing font names correctly |
| 10:40.10 | s_ward | chrislightfoot, yes, fontconfig's model :) |
| 10:40.13 | chrislightfoot | => problem is with fontconfig |
| 10:40.47 | jm_ | chrislightfoot: you thought wrong |
| 10:40.54 | chrislightfoot | go on? |
| 10:41.25 | jm_ | fontconfig was created to replace the old stuff, and doesn't support that, the apps that want to use both methods need to be written properly |
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| 10:41.45 | chrislightfoot | oic. it's broken by design! ok |
| 10:41.48 | chrislightfoot | gah |
| 10:41.56 | Coke | jm_: how would I use display for this? I tried setting window 0, but it does nothing. |
| 10:42.03 | TK-1 | hey does anyone know why this ant working on me server |
| 10:42.07 | chrislightfoot | i'm seriously expected to reconfigure all my applications just because of fontconfig? wow |
| 10:42.10 | TK-1 | http://64.251.30.55/phpmyadmin |
| 10:42.16 | jm_ | Coke: display -window root bla.jpg |
| 10:42.21 | TK-1 | it keeps trying to download it when i click the folder |
| 10:42.38 | Coke | jm_: you use a name "root"? does X have some sort of alias for the WID's? |
| 10:42.41 | jm_ | Coke: this is what my newbg script (called from cron) does: convert -geometry $resize -region $region -modulate $brightness -font helvetica -pointsize $txtsize -fill $txtcol -draw 'text $txtpos \"$images[$curimg]\"' $imgdir/$images[$curimg] - | display -window root - |
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| 10:42.53 | jetx | !folder |
| 10:42.53 | dpkg | [folder] a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
| 10:42.53 | jm_ | Coke: right, "root" is the important part here |
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| 10:43.41 | Coke | jm_: thanks. |
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| 10:44.18 | s_ward | chrislightfoot, either that, or cope with a different configuration for applications not using fontconfig |
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| 10:45.02 | s_ward | chrislightfoot, I'm lucky, my systems are all Debian, or derivatives :) |
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| 10:45.44 | jm_ | I suppose apps could be smarter too - require xft prefix for fontconfig, otherwise take is as old style font-name |
| 10:45.59 | Marcion | thanks everyone, alsa works fine now ;) |
| 10:46.18 | s_ward | !beer everyone |
| 10:46.21 | CountZ | anyone knows an ircd that comes with ssl support out of the box? |
| 10:46.27 | s_ward | Aww, cool |
| 10:46.28 | chrislightfoot | <s_ward> chrislightfoot, I'm lucky, my systems are all Debian, or derivatives :) <-- what did you do when you moved from pre-fontconfig debian to post-fontconfig debian? |
| 10:46.29 | CountZ | just need something quick & temporary |
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| 10:46.52 | Wh0re|12 | did any1 have an idea bout that phpmyadmin prob? |
| 10:46.56 | s_ward | chrislightfoot, updated configs :) |
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| 10:46.59 | Wh0re|12 | i have the same prob |
| 10:47.18 | jm_ | CountZ: ircd-hybrid |
| 10:47.20 | chrislightfoot | um. so you went through all your configs and rewrote the old font names? gah |
| 10:47.23 | jm_ | CountZ: or use stunnel |
| 10:47.33 | chrislightfoot | and maintain different configs on the pre- and post- machines? |
| 10:47.43 | s_ward | chrislightfoot, it was easy, since I use similar configs everywhere |
| 10:47.49 | JediMaster | got a problem with the debian php4 package, it doesn't seem to recgonise that apache is installed and it won't create the /etc/php4/apache/php.ini file or copy the libphp4.so file over, any ideas? (apache2 was installed before but has been purged, and I've tried purging/reinstalling php4 and reconfiguring/reinstlaling it) |
| 10:47.54 | daffy-pkf | wooops i did a rm -Rf $FOO/* but forgot to set FOO, canceled it but some things are erased, can i revert that? |
| 10:47.57 | jm_ | luckily no such issues for me, I simply use vim instead of gvim |
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| 10:48.20 | JediMaster | daffy-pkf: backups? |
| 10:48.23 | chrislightfoot | yeah, ditto me, but gvim is actually a bit nicer in some respects |
| 10:48.29 | daffy-pkf | JediMaster> nop :( |
| 10:48.31 | jm_ | it is? |
| 10:48.38 | chrislightfoot | and clearly if i find any other gtk2 programs i want to use, the same problem is going to apply :-( |
| 10:48.39 | JediMaster | daffy-pkf:it'snot easy to un-delete files... |
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| 10:48.49 | chrislightfoot | <jm_> it is? <-- i like the scrollbar |
| 10:48.54 | CountZ | jm_: installed ircd-hybrid.. reading about it now. |
| 10:49.01 | daffy-pkf | JediMaster> i guess so, but i have to do it... |
| 10:49.05 | s_ward | chrislightfoot, my desktop systems are all upgraded, admittedly I'm not supporting 100s of desktops |
| 10:49.06 | jm_ | chrislightfoot: fair enough |
| 10:49.12 | manbox | when running some apps i get this message: "bash: ./hlds_run: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied" whats wrong |
| 10:49.26 | s_ward | chrislightfoot, server systems that would be pre-fontconfig, but have no use for it anyway don't matter |
| 10:49.39 | chrislightfoot | (more generally i don't like having configs deliberately broken by some 'upgrade'...) |
| 10:49.48 | JediMaster | any ideas how I can fix the php package problems? |
| 10:49.59 | s_ward | JediMaster, use the force |
| 10:50.13 | JediMaster | s_ward: tried that, doesn't work with pc's though =( |
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| 10:51.45 | chrislightfoot | ok, next question: how do i make mozilla re-read /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 10:51.54 | jm_ | chrislightfoot: restart it ;) |
| 10:52.00 | s_ward | JediMaster, you need libapache-mod-php4 |
| 10:52.01 | chrislightfoot | oh ffs |
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| 10:52.08 | chrislightfoot | that way i have to close all the windows! |
| 10:52.18 | JediMaster | s_ward: hmm that new? |
| 10:52.18 | saloxin_ | chrislightfoot: try sending a -HUP - just might work |
| 10:52.27 | s_ward | JediMaster, that's Sarge |
| 10:52.51 | chrislightfoot | ha! SIGHUP causes it to die. top quality! |
| 10:53.28 | jm_ | does mozilal have a sighup handler? if not, default action is to terminate the process |
| 10:53.42 | JediMaster | s_ward: ta |
| 10:53.51 | daffy-pkf | is there a way to prevent any "rm -Rf /" ? |
| 10:54.04 | chrislightfoot | dunno. ages since i've looked at the code. i'd guess it doesn't -- they're not very good at unix :-( |
| 10:54.08 | daffy-pkf | and /* |
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| 10:54.10 | s_ward | daffy-pkf, don't do it |
| 10:54.30 | Guerin | daffy-pkf: don't give anyone root |
| 10:54.43 | jm_ | daffy-pkf: it's possible to deny access to root with RSBAC |
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| 10:55.12 | Guerin | or you could just deny access to root bu not giving anyone root privileges |
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| 10:55.43 | daffy-pkf | hmmm well, anyway i thing all that i can do now is reinstalling |
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| 10:56.03 | jm_ | reinstall all packages |
| 10:56.10 | dhp_doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.27 | daffy-pkf | jm_> i don't have any command anymore... |
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| 10:56.40 | Guerin | once reiserfs is fucked, there's nothing to do but restore from backups |
| 10:56.41 | daffy-pkf | ho... i could boot knoppix |
| 10:57.05 | Guerin | daffy-pkf: you could, and install a few things with --root= |
| 10:57.12 | jm_ | daffy-pkf: ahh then it won't be easy |
| 10:57.16 | Guerin | daffy-pkf: but you do have backups, right? |
| 10:57.59 | daffy-pkf | Guerin> nop :) did my installation just before hollidays, came back two days ago, was about to make backups after i finished installing some things |
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| 10:58.19 | sunkan | Is it possible to make the system restart other dependant services when one of them is updated? The scenario I have seen is with sendmail/mimedefang/clamav when for example clamav is updated sendmail needs to be restarted too. |
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| 10:58.42 | jm_ | that reminds me, I should upgrade to sylpheed-claws GTK2 and make a backup of my mail, has been one year since I've done it last |
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| 10:59.19 | jm_ | sunkan: not with current implementation of init scripts (no info about dependencies) |
| 10:59.23 | OleMoudi | why gparted adds by default 74mb at the end of each partition created? |
| 11:00.02 | daffy-pkf | hmmm, as i'm using ext3, isn't there a simple way to cancel the last operations done? |
| 11:00.12 | sunkan | jm_: Ok, I just wanted to know that I'm not missing out on features that exist. Thanks for making it clear |
| 11:00.23 | jm_ | daffy-pkf: no |
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| 11:01.39 | DebianF4n | it was lame |
| 11:01.39 | s_ward | DebianF4n, /msg dpkg paste :) |
| 11:01.59 | s_ward | s/paste/paster/ |
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| 11:02.17 | peppo | what could be futz if cfdisk /dev/sde can see my sde1 partition, but mount /dev/sde1 gives "special device sde1 does not exist". previously I had similar problems and got them fixed by downgrading _hal_, but I can't seem to fix it that way now. |
| 11:02.21 | colde89 | cold not compile a driver course i get: kernel build/output not found. you probably need to install the kernel development/header file package. what can i do? kernel-headers are installed |
| 11:02.23 | shingouz | DebianF4n: what do you mean with the "clean", your swap works just as it should |
| 11:02.45 | DebianF4n | shingouz my friend said "i cleaned up your swap file" |
| 11:03.03 | DebianF4n | it was used by my Deb OS |
| 11:03.12 | DebianF4n | but he made it 0% of usage |
| 11:03.20 | antgel | DebianF4n: swap is managed by the kernel. i would find something else to do with your time. |
| 11:03.26 | DebianF4n | and i dont know is it possible to "clean" swap file |
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| 11:03.46 | shingouz | DebianF4n: and he usually runs windows i think. most of linux does not usually use a swap file, linux has a swap partition and it takes care of itself. you do not "clean" it, there are no such commands afaik |
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| 11:04.31 | shingouz | DebianF4n: 0% swap is not good unless you have just a prompt running on a multi-megabyte ram computer |
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| 11:05.05 | equex | my swap file never exceeds 3 mb, is that healthy ? |
| 11:05.07 | DebianF4n | But what happenes when swap partition is used for an example every day and its amount increases non stop |
| 11:05.39 | jm_ | peppo: does /dev/sde exist, but /dev/sde1 doesn't? |
| 11:05.45 | s_ward | DebianF4n, the partition is a fixed size, it won't get bigger |
| 11:05.48 | shingouz | DebianF4n: when the swapped thing is not needed it will be removed when you need the space for something else. the same goes for ram |
| 11:05.52 | peppo | jm_, yes. |
| 11:06.00 | s_ward | DebianF4n, you may use more of it, and that's not a problem |
| 11:06.01 | peppo | sde and sde2 exist, but not sde1 |
| 11:06.13 | jetx | just mkswap again if you're paranoid, maybe |
| 11:06.18 | shingouz | !tell DebianF4n about swap |
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| 11:06.24 | jm_ | peppo: are you using udev? |
| 11:06.33 | sunkan | DebianF4n: Linux never shrinks/expands swap files or partitions by itself AFAIK |
| 11:06.38 | peppo | jm_, this is a 2.6.10 kernel, so I don't think so? |
| 11:06.48 | sep | DebianF4n, you can swappoff, and swapon again your swap partition if you want to 'reset' it, but it would be compleatly pointless and a waste of time |
| 11:06.53 | streuner | peppo: dpkg -l udev |
| 11:07.03 | lildude | is 256 ram for deibian better than 192 megs? |
| 11:07.04 | CT-71 | what resolution can you guys put your monitors at |
| 11:07.05 | peppo | hi udev 0.060-1 /dev/ management daemon |
| 11:07.07 | jetx | gnome can give you udev... beans can give you gas |
| 11:07.10 | antgel | lildude: yes |
| 11:07.11 | jm_ | peppo: that doesn't answer my question, anyway, simply recreate the device file if you're not using udev |
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| 11:07.19 | CT-71 | im 1024x780 |
| 11:07.20 | lildude | well il do that |
| 11:07.24 | CT-71 | or something |
| 11:07.29 | shingouz | DebianF4n: in short, it runs as it should and if you have installed debian in an anywhere remotely sane way, your swap is on a separate partition. partitions do not automagically change their size |
| 11:07.39 | peppo | jm_, how would I recreate it with udev? this is a usb flash card that I insert/take out often... I need to find a proper fix :/ |
| 11:07.49 | streuner | lildude: every single bit RAM helps |
| 11:08.00 | antgel | peppo: /etc/init.d/udev restart? |
| 11:08.03 | lildude | yeh aok |
| 11:08.07 | streuner | lildude: in every OS |
| 11:08.20 | lildude | yeah il do that get a ram stick |
| 11:08.22 | jm_ | peppo: hmm not sure, I don't use udev, check if there's some documentation (one is apparently able to achieve consistent naming scheme using udev) |
| 11:08.25 | peppo | antgel, still no sde1 :( |
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| 11:08.43 | cahoot | peppo: grep sde /proc/partitiions |
| 11:08.55 | peppo | cahoot, 8 64 992000 sde |
| 11:08.56 | peppo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.58 | chrislightfoot | right. i think i've figured out how to fix this |
| 11:09.02 | chrislightfoot | unfortunately it involves xml |
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| 11:09.08 | leminhteo | hi all |
| 11:09.11 | s_ward | streuner, every OS? Doesn't Windows 95 crash and burn on >512MB if you don't do something special? :) |
| 11:09.12 | chrislightfoot | and the fontconfig XML parser segfaults on invalid input |
| 11:09.14 | chrislightfoot | *joy* |
| 11:09.23 | leminhteo | i have lost my root's pass |
| 11:09.29 | leminhteo | pls help me |
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| 11:09.33 | peppo | cahoot, scary, huh? |
| 11:09.39 | streuner | s_ward: well, i've never used 95 ;-) |
| 11:09.43 | jetx | !tell leminhteo about i forgot roots password |
| 11:09.48 | shingouz | s_ward: win95 is not an os :p |
| 11:09.53 | leminhteo | some one change my root pass |
| 11:09.54 | streuner | haha |
| 11:09.55 | jm_ | chrislightfoot: fontconfig allows you to add aliases, but I didn't think you wanted to use this |
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| 11:10.00 | s_ward | shingouz, hah |
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| 11:10.06 | jetx | !tell leminhteo about i forgot root's password |
| 11:10.14 | ]-[2[]2 | Hello fellow Debainauts.... I've got a small mystery and I was wondering if somebody could point me in the right direction on this one: I have one of two old soundcards (CS4236 / OPTi 933) both of them do the same silly thing with ALSA sound: When the balance is right in the middle it seems that the two signals cancel each other out and the sound becomes all "watery" if that makes any sense. the sound quality becomes better when I m |
| 11:10.18 | CT-71 | is there any signifigance to debians logo...? |
| 11:10.20 | streuner | singouz: its a disease ;-) |
| 11:10.24 | jetx | there we go |
| 11:10.25 | CT-71 | or is itn just a swirl |
| 11:10.28 | leminhteo | now i have a user can login |
| 11:10.28 | s_ward | !nickometer ]-[2[]2 |
| 11:10.28 | dpkg | ']-[2[]2' is 99.9127% lame, s_ward |
| 11:10.34 | chrislightfoot | jm_ -- i'd rather not, but since there doesn't seem to be any better way to do it, that's what i have to do :-( |
| 11:10.35 | leminhteo | how can i get my root's pass |
| 11:10.36 | s_ward | Thought as much |
| 11:10.45 | chrislightfoot | http://caesious.beasts.org/~chris/tmp/20050816/.fonts.conf <-- it's just a case of creating one of these for every font i use |
| 11:10.47 | chrislightfoot | *sigh* |
| 11:10.48 | TyreseJones | Can anyone recommend an application for editing floppy disk images? |
| 11:10.49 | streuner | !forgot root's password |
| 11:10.51 | jetx | leminhteo: try reading the msg dpkg just sent you |
| 11:11.01 | jm_ | yes, you can find examples of that in default fonts.conf |
| 11:11.06 | CT-71 | does debians logo mean anything or is it a random swirl |
| 11:11.12 | jetx | streuner: it's " i forgot root's password " |
| 11:11.19 | jm_ | TyreseJones: editing them how? |
| 11:11.35 | Guerin | !ifrp |
| 11:11.35 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 11:11.38 | streuner | jetx: i already did /msg dpkg listkeys password, but thanks ;-) |
| 11:11.43 | chrislightfoot | <jm_> yes, you can find examples of that in default fonts.conf <-- not really -- they assume that the font name is independent of its size |
| 11:11.52 | jetx | !lart Guerin |
| 11:11.59 | Guerin | mmm, botdrool |
| 11:12.04 | Guerin | mah fayvurt |
| 11:12.08 | shingouz | eww... that is an evil lart |
| 11:12.26 | peppo | cahoot, jm_, antgel, streuner, any more ideas as to how to gain access to my usb card reader/SD card again? |
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| 11:12.27 | jetx | my dog likes to rub her nose on me... yuck |
| 11:12.44 | TyreseJones | jm_ I want to increase the size from 1.4 to 2.8, and add a few other files to this disk image, so i can use it for PXE booting |
| 11:12.45 | CT-71 | lol |
| 11:12.49 | peppo | it's showing up in dmesg: Aug 16 13:09:04 localhost kernel: SCSI device sde: 1984000 512-byte hdwr sectors (1016 MB) when I insert it |
| 11:13.06 | ]-[2[]2 | ...anyone? No ideas? |
| 11:13.11 | Guerin | !lart people who don't understand that seeding to 100 people when you have a 256k connection is worse than seeding to one person with an insanely fast connection |
| 11:13.13 | shingouz | jetx: she is a dog and all dogs are cool. /me loves dogs |
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| 11:13.37 | shingouz | ]-[2[]2: yea. you sure you have the modules configured as they should be? |
| 11:13.45 | jm_ | chrislightfoot: yeah, it doesn't cover everything you can do with it |
| 11:13.50 | shingouz | ]-[2[]2: and your nick is a pain in the ass to tabcomplete |
| 11:13.58 | TyreseJones | Guerin, Do you mean seeding as in Bit Torrent seeding? |
| 11:13.59 | s_ward | ]-[2[]2, yes, crosstalk between your speakers, try directing them away from each other a bit |
| 11:14.02 | Guerin | TyreseJones: 1 |
| 11:14.07 | ]-[2[]2 | shingouz: AFIK.... Should be... |
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| 11:14.17 | one2 | any girlz in here? ;-) |
| 11:14.24 | jetx | shingouz: you ever heard the expression ' i saved your life today, i killed a shit eating dog ' and the comeback ' what'd you do, climb a tree and starve it to death? ' i have such a dog |
| 11:14.24 | s_ward | shingouz, ]<tab> works for me :) |
| 11:14.29 | antgel | ]-[2[]2: you didn't finish your original point |
| 11:14.29 | Guerin | one2: omfg yes! |
| 11:14.38 | Guerin | one2: greycat is a hawt chix0r |
| 11:14.46 | chrislightfoot | <jm_> chrislightfoot: yeah, it doesn't cover everything you can do with it <-- no indeed -- in fact i don't think the system one makes it segfault even once! |
| 11:14.49 | one2 | woohoo ;] |
| 11:14.56 | shingouz | s_ward: yes, and the ] needs altgr-9 to appear on the screen |
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| 11:15.02 | Guerin | one2: and LoRez likes chatting sex0r too |
| 11:15.04 | antgel | i thought you were all girls |
| 11:15.08 | streuner | ]-[2[]2: /nick somenick |
| 11:15.11 | one2 | ok ok calm down |
| 11:15.15 | one2 | ;-) |
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| 11:15.22 | s_ward | shingouz, oh.. I didn't think, funny keyboard :P |
| 11:15.26 | one2 | ha lol |
| 11:15.27 | shadeboboo | hi, package with "dot" exist? |
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| 11:15.28 | jm_ | Guerin: is your point that you should limit number of concurrent uploads with slow connections? |
| 11:15.31 | shingouz | s_ward: swedish |
| 11:15.36 | antgel | shadeboboo: what? |
| 11:15.45 | ]-[2[]2 | antgel --> Point is that when the balance is at center the any sound is muffled or not even there... Trying to figure out WHAT exactly would cause this phenomenon. |
| 11:15.58 | Guerin | jm_: given that the seed knows i have a 100 megabit full-dup connection, he should njust upload the damn thing to me so we can ALL get it faster |
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| 11:16.09 | jm_ | Guerin: ohh :P |
| 11:16.10 | shadeboboo | antgel : i search the dot command. An apt-cache search dot is empty... |
| 11:16.22 | antgel | ]-[2[]2: are your speakers connected in phase? |
| 11:16.23 | jetx | dot? or . |
| 11:16.27 | jetx | or .net |
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| 11:16.41 | ]-[2[]2 | antgel --> My speakers are in fact headphones. |
| 11:16.51 | shadeboboo | dot fo use with doxygen |
| 11:17.00 | antgel | ]-[2[]2: is your brain in phase? :) |
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| 11:17.07 | jm_ | TyreseJones: create a new image, loop mount it, loop mount the old one, copy things over and add whatever you want to the new mount point |
| 11:17.15 | antgel | ]-[2[]2: perhaps there is an alsa setting somewhere that will help. |
| 11:17.15 | shadeboboo | to generate documentation of a C prog |
| 11:17.22 | ]-[2[]2 | antgel ---> Unlikely.... But I'll have to get back to you on that one. |
| 11:17.25 | TyreseJones | jm_ I can do that? |
| 11:17.51 | ]-[2[]2 | I figured it was just the crappy ISA card... then I tired another.. Same deal. |
| 11:17.52 | jm_ | TyreseJones: sure |
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| 11:17.55 | CT-71 | http://sps.sandouville.free.fr/wallpaper/images/tux/tux013.jpg <---- tuxynator |
| 11:18.12 | sKaBoy | shadeboboo, i think it's in graphviz |
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| 11:18.36 | ]-[2[]2 | It's as if whatever is responsible for Left / Right balance is crossing itself up somehow. |
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| 11:18.39 | antgel | shadeboboo: apt-cache searches package names. use apt-file to search for files within packages. |
| 11:18.42 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 11:18.51 | amorphix | which file do i need to edit to change a users home dir? |
| 11:18.58 | shadeboboo | skaboy : thanks |
| 11:19.03 | shadeboboo | antgel : ok |
| 11:19.08 | amorphix | its a hidden file? |
| 11:19.18 | antgel | amorphix: /etc/passwd |
| 11:19.24 | amorphix | antgel: thanks |
| 11:19.35 | shingouz | ]-[2[]2: both soundcards you have tried are isa? |
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| 11:20.23 | amorphix | antgel: do I need to do anything to update the changes after i edit it? |
| 11:20.36 | antgel | amorphix: no, the user needs to logout and in |
| 11:20.42 | amorphix | okay thanks alot |
| 11:20.43 | ]-[2[]2 | shingouz --> Yeah unfortunately... Haven't got a PCI to try. |
| 11:21.14 | shingouz | ]-[2[]2: if they are isa, install isapnptools and configure the card with pnpdump and editing the resulting file. alsaconf the system up after that |
| 11:21.17 | ]-[2[]2 | <-- Has nothing but OOOOLD junk. |
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| 11:22.23 | pingouin_ | one day printing under linux will be easy... |
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| 11:22.25 | tarzeau | !3ware |
| 11:22.28 | pingouin_ | i got this dream.... |
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| 11:22.31 | pingouin_ | one..day... |
| 11:22.37 | ]-[2[]2 | shingouz --> I'll take a look. thanks for the idea. |
| 11:22.43 | jetx | hp is easy to print with nowadays |
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| 11:23.04 | jm_ | pingouin_: you mean it isn't easy today? I found it trivial 7 years ago, with the right printer of course |
| 11:23.16 | pingouin_ | i'm about to throw away an hp1320 bt the window..come quick under... |
| 11:23.18 | shingouz | ]-[2[]2: do not bitch about old junk, i have even 486'es here running debian, this is a dual P1-133 |
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| 11:23.21 | sombra | what is the package name for Real Player? |
| 11:23.29 | tarzeau | sombra: it doesn't exist |
| 11:23.33 | jetx | sombra: it's on marillat |
| 11:23.34 | tarzeau | sombra: version 6 to 9 or 10? |
| 11:23.42 | jetx | and it's called realplayer |
| 11:23.45 | sombra | tarzeau, hmm, what about shockwave or flash Player |
| 11:23.46 | streuner | sombra: go there website and download binaries *cough* |
| 11:23.47 | jetx | but get helix-player |
| 11:23.49 | tarzeau | sombra: same shit |
| 11:23.52 | tarzeau | jetx: sucks too |
| 11:23.56 | sombra | tarzeau, ok |
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| 11:23.59 | jetx | it's what they stole to make rp i heard |
| 11:24.06 | sombra | tarzeau, thank you |
| 11:24.07 | jetx | err based on |
| 11:24.07 | pingouin_ | jm_: nice ;) time goes on..nothing change ;) |
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| 11:24.21 | jetx | but rp10 is on marillat iirc |
| 11:24.23 | tarzeau | sombra: won't work on non-i386 |
| 11:24.27 | ]-[2[]2 | shingouz --> I Salute you! Didn't say I hated the "ol junk".... Just that is what it is.. |
| 11:24.32 | tarzeau | s,sombra,jetx, |
| 11:24.33 | pingouin_ | wait 7 more years.... nice idea |
| 11:24.44 | sombra | tarzeau, swf-player - SWF (Macromedia Flash) player |
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| 11:25.01 | ]-[2[]2 | I like the challenge of Frankensteining an old rig. |
| 11:25.06 | shingouz | ]-[2[]2: no it is not. with some neat configs it is very useable unless you have to crunch some serious numbers |
| 11:25.07 | tarzeau | sombra: it sucks |
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| 11:25.10 | sombra | tarzeau, I found that on apt but I does'nt work for me |
| 11:25.16 | tarzeau | sombra: that's why it sucks |
| 11:25.32 | sombra | tarzeau, =) |
| 11:25.40 | jetx | rp should be boycotted by the_world |
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| 11:26.01 | tarzeau | jetx: no just by their dns provider |
| 11:26.18 | jetx | rp is for widnows |
| 11:26.30 | shingouz | jetx: with the crappy performance rp gets on linux, it boycotts itself.... |
| 11:27.02 | ]-[2[]2 | shingouz --> My favorite toy: Twin PII/300, Full SCSI right down to the FDD. 1G of 72-pin F/P RAM.... All in an ANCIENT 'tank' Case.. |
| 11:27.42 | ]-[2[]2 | Runs Gentoo I'm affeared. |
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| 11:28.02 | timte | I get lots of these lines in /var/log/messages, do they mean anything? Aug 16 13:57:44 localhost kernel: IN=ppp0 OUT=eth0 SRC=82.182.36.254 DST=10.1.1.10 LEN=48 TOS=0x10 PREC=0x20 TTL=114 ID=36690 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=26257 DPT=1412 WINDOW=65535 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 |
| 11:28.15 | jetx | !tell timte about printk |
| 11:28.35 | jetx | timte: dual boot? |
| 11:28.40 | pingouin_ | !printk |
| 11:28.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 11:28.41 | timte | jetx: no |
| 11:29.01 | pingouin_ | what is printk ?! |
| 11:29.05 | shingouz | ]-[2[]2: IBM PCserver 320 eisa/pci, another "tiny" box i have here is a PCServer 520 dual P1-120 with umpteen mgs of ram, hotswap hardware scsi raid and a few other neat things :p |
| 11:29.05 | jetx | i get that when i dual boot, windows is promiscuous |
| 11:29.09 | pingouin_ | i got those also in my log |
| 11:29.15 | pingouin_ | maybe that why i can't print ? |
| 11:29.16 | pingouin_ | tk |
| 11:29.20 | shingouz | ]-[2[]2: of course the 520 is mca/pci |
| 11:29.27 | timte | I get those all the time. It can't be right. |
| 11:29.30 | ]-[2[]2 | of course! <lol> |
| 11:29.33 | pingouin_ | no cups logs |
| 11:29.41 | pingouin_ | error nothing |
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| 11:29.44 | pingouin_ | access perfect |
| 11:29.51 | pingouin_ | but no print |
| 11:29.53 | jetx | pingouin_: do you have hpoj installed, or whatever? |
| 11:29.54 | ]-[2[]2 | K... I'm off to do some 'probing" as it were. |
| 11:30.04 | ]-[2[]2 | Thanks for the help Shingouz! |
| 11:30.06 | pingouin_ | jetx: i guess |
| 11:30.13 | pingouin_ | jetx: it is |
| 11:30.22 | shingouz | ]-[2[]2: yw, man. keep up the frankensteining |
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| 11:30.30 | pingouin_ | then localhost:631 |
| 11:30.38 | jetx | pingouin_: do you have the printer listed in cups as mc:par:blahblah, ? |
| 11:30.48 | pingouin_ | everything is fine |
| 11:30.49 | jetx | or is it on lp1 |
| 11:30.56 | pingouin_ | usb |
| 11:31.00 | jetx | ah |
| 11:31.05 | jetx | nm |
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| 11:31.09 | pingouin_ | then localhost:631 |
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| 11:31.11 | pingouin_ | everything is fine |
| 11:31.16 | pingouin_ | see the printer |
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| 11:31.19 | timte | jetx: what's printk? |
| 11:31.27 | pingouin_ | bah..nevermind |
| 11:31.34 | pingouin_ | i'll go to my neighboor |
| 11:31.40 | pingouin_ | to print on mac or win ;) |
| 11:31.53 | pingouin_ | just sad |
| 11:32.05 | jetx | pingouin_: for me (non-usb) configuring cups, putting the mc:par designation instead of the lpt1 causes it to function properly |
| 11:32.16 | DistinctMind | hi all, I've installed D/Sarge on my box and all went fine. But now I wanted to replace the Adaptec SCSI Controller with a Tekram. This leads to a kernel panic due to a missing driver. How can I work around that? |
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| 11:32.35 | pingouin_ | that's ok jetx i make it elsewhere |
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| 11:32.45 | jm_ | DistinctMind: boot with a rescue medium and fix it |
| 11:32.47 | jetx | timte the way i remember it, printk is what you tweak to get the kernel to quit printing kernel messages. print k(ernel) |
| 11:32.59 | timte | oh |
| 11:33.08 | DistinctMind | jm_: the first is not the problem - but how to fix that |
| 11:33.12 | pingouin_ | on other operating system..that can print more esasyly |
| 11:33.21 | jm_ | DistinctMind: recreate initrd image I suppose |
| 11:33.29 | DistinctMind | jm_: I think it's related to the initrd image which diesn't have the driver |
| 11:33.42 | pingouin_ | linux's not perfect, need time to be improved |
| 11:33.45 | jetx | DistinctMind: compile a kernel maybe |
| 11:33.45 | DistinctMind | yeah, is there a quick way? the installer seems to do it automatically |
| 11:34.01 | jm_ | DistinctMind: man mkinitrd |
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| 11:34.15 | jm_ | or just check how kernel-image does it and copy it |
| 11:34.42 | DistinctMind | I knew something like this would be answered ;) |
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| 11:35.25 | jetx | DistinctMind: is this a stock debian kernel? |
| 11:35.39 | DistinctMind | yeah, 2.6.8 or 2.4.27 |
| 11:35.44 | DistinctMind | both show the same result |
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| 11:35.50 | jetx | then making a new initrd won't help ? |
| 11:36.10 | jetx | i could be worng but i don't feel like it |
| 11:36.17 | DistinctMind | me neither |
| 11:36.19 | jm_ | does it auto-detect at boot? |
| 11:36.31 | DistinctMind | it's not even getting there |
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| 11:36.39 | DistinctMind | it's mounting the cramfs initrd |
| 11:36.50 | DistinctMind | and when trying to mount the real root it's bombing out |
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| 11:37.02 | DistinctMind | as the driver isn't loaded |
| 11:37.23 | jm_ | yes, I know how it works - I am asking if it detects the driver that should be loaded at boot time or is it pre-configured in the initrd image? |
| 11:37.47 | DistinctMind | I guess the latter one |
| 11:37.56 | jm_ | then re-creating the image shall help |
| 11:38.11 | DistinctMind | I'll take a look |
| 11:38.13 | jm_ | unless it's the former and it fails to detect it/does not support it |
| 11:38.13 | jetx | my guess is the new card isn't supported or it would 'just work(tm); |
| 11:38.17 | sep | DistinctMind, add the driver for your new raid to /etc/mkinitrd/modules, recreate initrd, reboot to test, swap controllers, boot, pray |
| 11:38.19 | jetx | but i know nothing |
| 11:38.25 | jetx | jm_ knows all |
| 11:38.34 | jm_ | yeah that makes more sense to me, because Debian's initrd image are quite big and contain a lot of drivers |
| 11:38.42 | DistinctMind | sep: Ahhhh |
| 11:38.46 | jm_ | jetx: not this, because I don't use kernel-images |
| 11:39.01 | DistinctMind | sep: thanks - will have a look at that |
| 11:39.16 | pingouin_ | it's awfull..need to print stuff online to change ispn :/ must go to friend's computer..to plug my printer.... i'm full of shame...since i say to him..linux rocks ;) |
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| 11:39.25 | sep | DistinctMind, hint: read /usr/share/doc/initrd-tools |
| 11:39.34 | DistinctMind | sep: thx :) |
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| 11:40.02 | jetx | pingouin_: there is an hp package for printers on usb which is different from hpoj |
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| 11:40.19 | jetx | pingouin_: have you gone to linux.hp.com and tried? |
| 11:40.34 | pingouin_ | jetx: that's ok ;) |
| 11:40.41 | pingouin_ | jetx: i give up ;) |
| 11:40.46 | pingouin_ | jetx: just..funny... |
| 11:40.56 | jetx | giving up is for QUITTERS! |
| 11:40.56 | pingouin_ | jetx: i'm full of shame ;) |
| 11:41.20 | pingouin_ | jetx: to bring my printer to a friend to do that...after all the talking we had about linux/mac/win ;) |
| 11:41.23 | pingouin_ | so fun ;) |
| 11:41.36 | pingouin_ | he's gonna spit this one on my face...during a long time ;) |
| 11:41.37 | pingouin_ | lol |
| 11:41.41 | sep | pingouin_, so install cups then ? |
| 11:41.42 | jetx | not if you fix it |
| 11:41.43 | jm_ | MacOS/X uses CUPS |
| 11:41.44 | sep | whats the problem |
| 11:41.53 | jetx | hp will work |
| 11:42.11 | liable | grr, cheap sata cable connextor, new fucking cable + fat thumbs doesnt = happiness.. |
| 11:42.22 | pingouin_ | thanks anyway ;) |
| 11:42.37 | jetx | i heard all sata cables break easily... no idea, never had one :( |
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| 11:43.08 | liable | yeah not much meat to em.. |
| 11:43.23 | jetx | esp at the connectors |
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| 11:44.07 | jm_ | really? that's kind annoying as SATA devices are hot-pluggable, one would expect they would be built to last |
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| 11:44.21 | liable | waited three weeks for a fucking case, and now I fuck a cable that I have to to mail order for.. :( |
| 11:44.43 | jetx | i read it on anandtech i think |
| 11:45.18 | liable | they are very thin on one side of the connector. *very* |
| 11:45.35 | jm_ | I'll buy a new box this autumn, must rememebr this |
| 11:45.36 | luite | hm, I've never had problems with sata cables, at least they're much better than lvd scsi cables, the pins of those bend very easily |
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| 11:46.05 | liable | microatx case doesnt help.. :P |
| 11:46.23 | lildude | he laible |
| 11:46.29 | liable | lildude: hi |
| 11:46.38 | lildude | what does debian use for torent downlaoder |
| 11:47.05 | liable | lildude: theres a few. try bittornado-gui |
| 11:47.22 | lildude | ill do that |
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| 11:47.44 | jm_ | etch "now" has rtorrent too, builds just fine on Sarge |
| 11:47.58 | jetx | bittornado is the best out of all i tried... haven't tried the rtorrent one yet though, and |
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| 11:48.05 | liable | oh, its in etch too now? |
| 11:48.07 | jetx | and nm |
| 11:48.08 | lildude | checking list o programs i regularly use so my debain has programs |
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| 11:48.16 | jm_ | ahh not yet, just in sid |
| 11:48.29 | jm_ | probably due to C++ stuff |
| 11:48.39 | jetx | c02 thing |
| 11:48.48 | lildude | liable what bord you got for that case? |
| 11:48.51 | liable | gentoo? |
| 11:49.03 | liable | asus something |
| 11:49.14 | lildude | cool via chipset |
| 11:49.24 | konrads | Hello. My Ubuntu doesn't recognize key with which an apt repository is signed ( i think?) error is: NO_PUBKEY 6FFA8EF91DB114E0 |
| 11:49.25 | jetx | obviously the decision was the product of much time and reading and comparisons |
| 11:49.26 | liable | nah, sis |
| 11:49.30 | lildude | this one here is msi i bult it few years ago |
| 11:49.35 | jm_ | konrads: try #ubuntu |
| 11:49.37 | konrads | that pubkey is seen on deb repositories |
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| 11:49.46 | liable | jetx: hah, it was actually :P |
| 11:49.48 | jetx | konrads: #kanotix has a factoid about it |
| 11:49.51 | lildude | liable does sis complie easy |
| 11:50.09 | liable | lildude: you do not want to run sid! |
| 11:50.24 | lildude | why liable |
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| 11:50.56 | liable | oh, sis, hmm, brain fart, i read sid. um, its in the kernel.. |
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| 11:51.21 | lildude | so sid i run seems ok |
| 11:51.36 | jonkri | if i own i file and the permissions are set -------rwx, can i read/write/execute the file? or does --- override that somehow? |
| 11:51.41 | lildude | i thought sis was lil had to get linux drivers compared to via |
| 11:51.44 | liable | lildude: no, you dont run sid, and you dont want to either.. |
| 11:52.06 | lildude | righty righty i run sarge |
| 11:52.36 | lildude | oops sid oh whats that junky thing |
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| 11:52.53 | jetx | !seen bob2 |
| 11:52.54 | dpkg | bob2 is currently on #debian (5h 30m 58s) #debian-women (5h 30m 58s) #debian-ops (5h 30m 58s). Has said a total of 96910 messages. Is idling for 5h 25m 6s |
| 11:53.13 | jetx | lol debian-women |
| 11:53.45 | liable | hes always there.. must check it out one day.. |
| 11:54.05 | lildude | yeah liable |
| 11:54.30 | lildude | women are cranky like my female linux box |
| 11:54.44 | cahoot | jonkri: made no test? |
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| 11:57.02 | konrads | ok, figured |
| 11:57.05 | konrads | wrong keyserver |
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| 11:59.02 | liable | owner group others ?? |
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| 11:59.39 | kofj | where can I find the default partition tool when installing sarge ,I remember its name was partman |
| 11:59.57 | kofj | apt-cache search partman ,but nothing |
| 12:00.01 | tarzeau | kofj: fdisk/cfdisk ? |
| 12:00.04 | liable | !info partman |
| 12:00.20 | kofj | tarzeau, not cfdisk , I think its partman? |
| 12:00.36 | kofj | tarzeau, it can resize a partition |
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| 12:01.19 | tarzeau | kofj: i doubt you can do that from the sarge installer |
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| 12:01.50 | kofj | tarzeau, yes ,but it's not convenient |
| 12:02.00 | jetx | d-i left cfdisk for another, i forget which |
| 12:02.52 | liable | kofj: you cant resize from the installer, you might be thinking ubuntu.. |
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| 12:03.31 | kofj | liable, I'm using debian , I just want to find that tool when installing sarge base system |
| 12:04.32 | liable | kofj: yeah I believe it is called partman.. |
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| 12:05.29 | kofj | liable, I think so too,but apt-cache search partman get nothing |
| 12:06.08 | liable | yeah dpkg dont find it either |
| 12:06.19 | sombra | which application should i user to watch quicktime movies in linux for? |
| 12:06.24 | greycat | mplayer |
| 12:06.31 | kofj | sombra, may be mplayer |
| 12:06.32 | sombra | greycat, ok |
| 12:07.07 | sombra | and for realplayer files? |
| 12:07.16 | jm_ | try mplayer too |
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| 12:07.31 | greycat | for realplayer, I suggest rm(1) |
| 12:07.31 | kofj | mplayer supports almost everything |
| 12:07.47 | jetx | !info helix-player |
| 12:07.50 | dpkg | helix-player: (The Helix Community's open source media player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4188 kB, Installed size: 10672 kB |
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| 12:08.11 | jetx | somebody said helix isn't great though |
| 12:08.18 | sombra | apt-get install mplayer Package mplayer is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 12:08.24 | jetx | !marillat |
| 12:08.24 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 12:08.31 | jetx | mplayer is ^^ |
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| 12:11.46 | a_arcane | How can i make autofs mount subdirectories of a directory but no the directory it self? |
| 12:12.03 | jm_ | a_arcane: I don't understand your question |
| 12:12.28 | greycat | autofs takes over one whole directory, completely. |
| 12:12.44 | a_arcane | jm_, i want the automounter to mount all subdirectories of a directory /home but not home it self. |
| 12:13.07 | a_arcane | so that i can get each user home directory mounted on a client from my nfs server. |
| 12:13.13 | greycat | a_arcane: it can't be done that way. |
| 12:13.17 | jm_ | a_arcane: can't do that |
| 12:13.18 | liable | how the hell could it do that? |
| 12:13.45 | OxxeN | a_arcane how much home directory do you have ? |
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| 12:13.59 | a_arcane | Right now 1... but it should be able to expand to X... |
| 12:14.22 | jm_ | a_arcane: well this shouldn't be a problem, you can mount as many as you want |
| 12:14.32 | OxxeN | yep |
| 12:14.33 | jm_ | well there are limits ;) |
| 12:14.41 | a_arcane | and how would i do it? Im totaly new to automounters. |
| 12:15.20 | jm_ | edit auto.master to start with |
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| 12:15.32 | a_arcane | yes... i made it use auto.misc |
| 12:15.42 | SerajewelKS | all of a sudden, i can start any new X programs... wtf? |
| 12:15.43 | jm_ | you have example in man page |
| 12:15.56 | SerajewelKS | s/can/cannot/ |
| 12:15.59 | a_arcane | jm_, i can.. its the examples im having trouble understanding. |
| 12:16.06 | a_arcane | i can = i know* |
| 12:16.10 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: happened to me a few times in the past when X server used all available file descriptors (something related to fonts) |
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| 12:16.40 | a_arcane | jm_, thank you anyway. Will have to look some more i guess |
| 12:16.50 | jm_ | a_arcane: you just need to create auto.home, look at auto.net and auto.misc |
| 12:16.57 | SerajewelKS | jm_, how do i check if that's the problem |
| 12:17.08 | a_arcane | jm_, and i tell auto.master to use auto.home? |
| 12:17.17 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: find its PID, then ls /proc/<PID>/fd |
| 12:17.19 | OxxeN | a_arcane http://docs.hp.com/en/5990-7199/ch03s03.html |
| 12:17.23 | jm_ | a_arcane: yes, for /home |
| 12:17.36 | a_arcane | OxxeN, thank you |
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| 12:18.07 | SerajewelKS | jm_, the highest one is 36 |
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| 12:18.27 | erommer | how do u add a path to the $PATH |
| 12:18.52 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: then it's not that - what does it say? |
| 12:19.03 | mysurfguide | Hi guys I got a question :) , when installing KDE 3.2 from fresh ( from apt ), on a debian sarge box... shouldnt there be any default fonts in the fonts:/ system and personal folders? |
| 12:19.09 | greycat | !wikifaq erommer DotFiles |
| 12:19.10 | dpkg | erommer: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 12:19.14 | SerajewelKS | jm_, KDE just tells me "unable to launch ___" |
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| 12:19.38 | SerajewelKS | jm_, if i do 'DISPLAY=:0 konsole' from a VT, it says "unable to connect to X server :0" |
| 12:19.49 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: do you have any terminal open to start xclock? |
| 12:20.03 | SerajewelKS | jm_, i can use VTs... |
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| 12:20.32 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: nope, has to be in X |
| 12:20.54 | SerajewelKS | jm_, every program just says "can't connect to display" after about 3 seconds |
| 12:21.19 | SerajewelKS | jm_, well i don't have any shells open |
| 12:21.22 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: how about /tmp/.X11-unix - is it readable? |
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| 12:21.48 | SerajewelKS | jm_, rwxrwxrwt |
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| 12:22.05 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: and there's a socket file in it? |
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| 12:22.24 | SerajewelKS | jm_, nope |
| 12:22.26 | CVirus | how do i mount .mdf image ? |
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| 12:23.00 | jetx | wtf is .mdf |
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| 12:23.05 | SerajewelKS | !fgi CVirus mount+mdf+linux |
| 12:23.06 | dpkg | CVirus: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=mount+mdf+linux |
| 12:23.28 | mysurfguide | nobody had problems with fonts? |
| 12:23.32 | CVirus | :) |
| 12:23.41 | drac | mdf is Alcohol 120% bin image |
| 12:23.54 | drac | there is a program called mdf2iso, not sure if it's in Debian though |
| 12:24.00 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: does it listen on a TCP port then? |
| 12:24.08 | jetx | !find mdf2 |
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| 12:24.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mdf2' (1): (/usr/lib/dx/bin/mdf2c, /usr/lib/dx/lib/mdf2c.awk) in science/dx. |
| 12:24.38 | jetx | doesn't seem to be |
| 12:24.48 | SerajewelKS | jm_, doesn't look like it |
| 12:24.54 | drac | shame, another convertion tool missing. :/ |
| 12:25.04 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: how did you check? (default is to not listen on a TCP port) |
| 12:25.10 | SerajewelKS | jm_, netstat -tnlp |
| 12:25.17 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: right |
| 12:25.37 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: well that's why it doesn't work |
| 12:25.39 | SerajewelKS | jm_, could starting an X server on :1 from :0 cause this? |
| 12:25.52 | SerajewelKS | jm_, how do i fix it now... without restarting X if possible ;) |
| 12:25.55 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: possibly, if it removed the file |
| 12:26.14 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: I don't think you can, check what file it's listening on |
| 12:26.14 | jetx | http://www.google.com/linux?q=mdf2iso+debian&restrict=linux |
| 12:26.23 | SerajewelKS | jm_, how... |
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| 12:26.54 | liable | why cant they, in this day and age, actually make flexible cables.. |
| 12:27.04 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: netstat, but don't use -t |
| 12:27.37 | liable | I mean supple.. you know.. |
| 12:27.54 | jetx | how do you get dpkg to list a bug report on a bug# |
| 12:28.00 | jetx | i forgot the command |
| 12:28.25 | tarzeau | greycat: you know how to fully remove a package manually? so it doesn't leave any more trace on dpkg -l ? |
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| 12:28.38 | SerajewelKS | jm_, /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 |
| 12:29.24 | jetx | tarzeau: --purge doesn't give you that? |
| 12:29.51 | orchid | jetx: you can install reportbug and use the querybts <number> command |
| 12:30.03 | liable | tarzeau: you still going with wiki? |
| 12:30.18 | liable | t |
| 12:30.19 | Pezz453 | jetx: didnt work for me :/ |
| 12:30.25 | SerajewelKS | how the heck could this file have been randomly deleted |
| 12:30.56 | jetx | orchid: that's cool and i didn't know that and will use it. i was wondering about dpkg's feature though. |
| 12:31.11 | SerajewelKS | may as well restart X... *sigh*... brb |
| 12:31.15 | tarzeau | liable: twiki , yeah |
| 12:31.19 | tarzeau | jetx: no |
| 12:31.24 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: right, something removed it |
| 12:31.47 | jetx | Pezz453: ok, but why do i care? :) |
| 12:31.50 | liable | dpkg does have a bug command, cant remeber though.. |
| 12:31.51 | tarzeau | liable: the bug can't be reopened, and i sent a mail to the maintainer, but got no reply |
| 12:31.55 | jetx | uh what doesn't work btw |
| 12:32.04 | Pezz453 | tarzeau: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ {print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge |
| 12:32.15 | tarzeau | Pezz453: man you don't get it, do you? |
| 12:32.25 | tarzeau | Pezz453: i said it can NOT BE REMOVED BY DPKG --PURGE |
| 12:32.29 | liable | tarzeau: I still cant see why you cant remove it, by deleting it from status.. |
| 12:32.39 | jm_ | tarzeau: why not? |
| 12:32.42 | tarzeau | liable: neither can i, but it didn't work |
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| 12:33.07 | tarzeau | jm_: bugs.debian.org/183917 |
| 12:33.20 | jetx | tarzeau: obviously you need to use a good package manager. there is only one good one though. dselect :) |
| 12:33.21 | Pezz453 | copy and past what i just sent you. it will work. if not. meh. who knows |
| 12:33.21 | tarzeau | it ends in a endless loop |
| 12:33.32 | jm_ | tarzeau: fix the script? |
| 12:33.36 | tarzeau | Pezz453: no it doesn't work |
| 12:33.43 | tarzeau | jm_: where is it? |
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| 12:34.01 | tarzeau | Pezz453: and i don't want to loose certian configs of packages i've removed |
| 12:34.06 | yoo | Hi all ! |
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| 12:34.16 | jetx | yoo hoo! |
| 12:34.26 | jm_ | tarzeau: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 12:34.30 | yoo | :) hi guy ! |
| 12:34.55 | trc | any tool or way to read dwg autocad files? |
| 12:35.01 | liable | !hi yoo |
| 12:35.01 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai yoo! |
| 12:35.04 | tarzeau | jetx: pity dselect won't do it either |
| 12:35.15 | yoo | thx dpkg :) |
| 12:35.34 | lildude | i put hd in another tower now i get kernal panic cant boot |
| 12:35.40 | lildude | what do i have to do? |
| 12:35.44 | jetx | tarzeau: it's not gforge or something is it? |
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| 12:36.03 | jetx | lildude: put it on the same ide channel as it was on |
| 12:36.19 | Guerin | lildude: put it back where it worked |
| 12:36.41 | tarzeau | jetx: gforge? |
| 12:36.59 | jetx | gforge is a package i had a big problem getting rid of |
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| 12:37.23 | tarzeau | jm_: in that directory i've got no files matching *twiki* |
| 12:37.30 | tarzeau | jetx: no, it's twiki |
| 12:37.34 | lildude | ok wil do |
| 12:37.45 | lildude | how do you transfer one hd to another tower |
| 12:37.59 | jetx | you fix fstab and lilo.conf |
| 12:38.02 | jetx | and move it |
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| 12:38.23 | jm_ | tarzeau: well something/someone has removed them :) |
| 12:38.45 | manbox | is there anyway i can run "mount --bind /dos/ dos/" at boot-up? |
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| 12:38.54 | jm_ | manbox: put it in fstab |
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| 12:39.08 | jetx | trc: apt-cache search cad, there are many cad packages (not sure about just a reader/viewer) |
| 12:39.13 | jetx | qcad is one |
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| 12:39.15 | sombra | mplayer depends on: libdirectfb-0.9-20 libdv4 libdvdread3 libsvga1 libconfhelper-perl some of these packages is not avalible via apt from stable source, is there some way to solve this rather then compile them? |
| 12:39.31 | manbox | jm_, can i put the command as it is or? do i have to sudo it?? |
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| 12:39.33 | jetx | sombra: they're on marillat iirc |
| 12:39.48 | jetx | not sure about the fb-direct, but they are all apt-gettable |
| 12:39.55 | jm_ | manbox: no, you need to create appropriate fstab entry for it |
| 12:39.56 | jetx | including the fb direct |
| 12:39.56 | Anthro | I remember using some *nix where tail had a -r option that would reverse the order of the input lines (not the order of the characters in the lines, but the order of the lines themselves). Does anyone know of an equivalent in Debian? |
| 12:40.00 | trc | jetx: tried qcad, doesnt view it |
| 12:40.01 | sombra | jetx, marillat iirc ? |
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| 12:40.05 | Anthro | (Yes, I could write a script.) |
| 12:40.15 | jetx | sombra: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 12:40.17 | liable | lildude: if the partiton for / is diferent for the drive you installed, than the one it used to have, then you need to alter grub.. |
| 12:40.18 | jetx | !iirc |
| 12:40.18 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 12:40.19 | lildude | when its back were it was before what do i do to prepare it for move |
| 12:40.19 | jm_ | Anthro: tac? |
| 12:40.28 | TK-1 | n00b question here but whats the command to navigate to a directory like in dos its cd |
| 12:40.41 | Anthro | jm_: Perfect, thanks! |
| 12:40.42 | trc | jetx; there is some line in apt-cache search about xfig, not sure how and what |
| 12:40.44 | jetx | cd /usr/src for instance |
| 12:40.45 | greycat | TK-1: uh.... |
| 12:40.45 | Pezz453 | TK-1 cd yes |
| 12:40.53 | TK-1 | dow lol |
| 12:41.05 | manbox | jm_, how's this done or where do i find the appropiate docs for it? |
| 12:41.11 | jetx | trc: i dunno, but xfig is a package |
| 12:41.15 | TK-1 | is missed the / out :P |
| 12:41.16 | lildude | want to move hd to another tower and card disk infor over what i do? |
| 12:41.19 | Pezz453 | TK-1 http://ebook911.com/weblinux/lnut/ch01_04.htm |
| 12:41.22 | jetx | !info xfig |
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| 12:41.28 | dpkg | xfig: (Facility for Interactive Generation of figures under X11), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1:3.2.5-alpha5-4 (sid), Packaged size: 597 kB, Installed size: 1572 kB |
| 12:41.38 | jm_ | manbox: takr a look at fstab file, man fstab, it's a text file |
| 12:41.47 | trc | jetx yeap, but it opens other kind of files |
| 12:41.51 | manbox | yeah, i will thanks |
| 12:41.52 | TK-1 | whats the command to copy a file from x directory and file to the other folder on ssh please |
| 12:42.01 | jetx | scp |
| 12:42.27 | Pezz453 | TK-1 http://ebook911.com/weblinux/lnut/index.htm |
| 12:42.31 | manbox | jm_, i didn't know about the man file sorry.. |
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| 12:43.59 | jetx | yay i can finally install apt-fiile in sid |
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| 12:45.48 | manbox | jm_, the man pages aren't useful... |
| 12:45.53 | lildude | how do you move debian to another tower? |
| 12:45.57 | manbox | the are pretty unclear |
| 12:46.10 | jetx | lildude: you've been told |
| 12:46.20 | jetx | what part didn't you understand |
| 12:46.39 | lildude | i put it back in old tower |
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| 12:46.53 | jm_ | manbox: take a look at the fstab file ... |
| 12:46.58 | lildude | no what |
| 12:47.04 | lildude | now |
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| 12:47.37 | jetx | ok. so edit /etc/fstab and /etc/lilo.conf, and/or /boot/grub/menu.lst (probably grub not lilo) |
| 12:47.49 | drc | TK-1: do you want to copy a file from one folder to another on your server or to your computer? |
| 12:48.00 | jetx | easiest is to put it on the same ribbon/connector as it was on |
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| 12:48.09 | jetx | he wants to move hd's |
| 12:48.12 | jetx | afaik |
| 12:48.24 | manbox | i have.. i found this when googling: /l/scratch/mirror/mirror /l/mirror ext3 bind 0 0 |
| 12:48.27 | lildude | repair or something |
| 12:48.34 | manbox | you think thismight be possible.. |
| 12:48.35 | jm_ | yes, there you have it |
| 12:48.40 | TK-1 | i want to copy a file from my linux box to my other one but using ssh |
| 12:48.45 | jm_ | it is possible, it works fine for me |
| 12:48.46 | jetx | scp |
| 12:48.48 | jetx | scp |
| 12:48.51 | jetx | TK-1: scp |
| 12:48.52 | manbox | but the web page was refering to a problem that occured when using this command |
| 12:48.59 | TK-1 | kk |
| 12:50.08 | TK-1 | lol all nice sayin scp but how the fuk do u use it lol |
| 12:50.10 | TK-1 | !scp |
| 12:50.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, scp is Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. ssh + cpio. EXAMPLE: scp *.mp3 me@myotherbox:/var/tmp |
| 12:50.24 | jm_ | scp roffle |
| 12:50.46 | TK-1 | <<<<< n00b here |
| 12:50.55 | drc | TK-1: google |
| 12:50.59 | Pezz453 | TK-1 http://ebook911.com/weblinux/lnut/ch03_01.htm |
| 12:50.59 | sep | TK-1, like any other linux program you use it by man scp |
| 12:51.26 | TK-1 | lol i only started using linux 4 the first time like a week ago |
| 12:51.35 | sep | TK-1, allways read man pages before trying something, you might have been talking to a practial joker who gave you a command that wiped your harrdrive |
| 12:51.37 | TK-1 | and then the firstthing i did was install a gui lol |
| 12:51.47 | drc | TK-1: so, do you want us to copy the files for you or do you want to learn to do it yourself? |
| 12:51.48 | Pezz453 | ... |
| 12:51.54 | manbox | whats the pass ibn fstab?? |
| 12:52.01 | manbox | <pass> |
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| 12:52.15 | jm_ | man fstab explains it |
| 12:52.33 | jetx | pass is when is it fsck'd |
| 12:52.38 | TK-1 | ok fair play i c ur point |
| 12:52.45 | jetx | when the command is given |
| 12:53.13 | jetx | TK-1: there is an scp gui... i forge tthe name though... |
| 12:53.20 | greycat | winscp |
| 12:53.27 | jetx | i mean for linux |
| 12:53.32 | greycat | 4 u lol lusers lol lol lol !!!!!! ??? |
| 12:53.40 | manbox | jetx, use putty!! |
| 12:53.53 | manbox | google putty ssh.. |
| 12:54.21 | jetx | has some stupid name that doesn't seem to reflect what it does |
| 12:54.27 | timte | I have mtu set to 1492 in /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider, but ppp0 still has mtu 1452. Why is that? |
| 12:54.28 | TK-1 | yer ive got putty |
| 12:54.29 | PerfDave | Konqueror can do SCP |
| 12:54.31 | jetx | but it works good, i used it |
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| 12:55.49 | TK-1 | able minds? |
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| 12:56.11 | mysurfguide | Anybody know where to specify the default system font? im on Sarge 3.1 ( KDE 3.2) , the fonts:/ personal and system folders are both empty. When running programs I get the warning "No default system font specified". This has never happened to me before. |
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| 12:56.18 | sep | jetx, kdessh ? |
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| 12:57.11 | PerfDave | Uhm, doesn't Sarge have KDE 3.3? |
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| 12:57.22 | jm_ | it does |
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| 12:57.46 | mysurfguide | Lemme check again to make sure, but I couldve swore it said 3.2.X |
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| 12:58.11 | mysurfguide | i do it like i always do it , apt-get install kdm kde xfree86-common... |
| 12:58.27 | mysurfguide | yes sorry you are right PerfDave, it is 3.3.2 my bad |
| 12:58.32 | rasp1 | Why would I get make error 2 trying to compile a driver module? |
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| 12:58.59 | jetx | !info secpanel |
| 12:59.05 | dpkg | secpanel: (A graphical user interface for SSH and SCP), section net, is optional. Version: 0.41+0.4.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 384 kB |
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| 12:59.18 | jetx | because all the latest kernel-source seems to bork out when compiling |
| 12:59.23 | mysurfguide | however, i find it strange both fonts:/system and fonts:/personal is empty, yet all my fonts work... except i cant open certain programs. it finds all the fonts in the rest of the programs. |
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| 12:59.39 | mysurfguide | and system as well. just not in the fonts:/ dir |
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| 12:59.53 | jetx | from kernel.org or from apt sources, they bork out |
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| 13:00.20 | jetx | mysurfguide: maybe the font section in xf86config-4 or xorg.conf (just a thought, no idea) |
| 13:00.44 | mysurfguide | thanks jetx ill look at that, the only thing i did different was install the nvidia drivers ( debian glx ) |
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| 13:01.48 | jetx | new initrd-tools and libdevmapper in sid oh boy! |
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| 13:02.44 | jetx | would i need to reboot? or did the update not fix it? Failure to communicate with kernel device-mapper driver. |
| 13:02.44 | jetx | /proc/misc: No entry for device-mapper found |
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| 13:06.57 | CountZ | strange - DB tells me "extension not found" for a mysql dsn, but I do have a line that says: extension=mysql.so in my /etc/php4/cli/php.ini |
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| 13:07.17 | lildude | it back in case |
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| 13:07.48 | kofj | can fdisk resize a partition? |
| 13:07.55 | CountZ | kofj: no |
| 13:08.10 | CountZ | kofj: not without erasing it |
| 13:08.19 | kofj | CountZ, can parted ? |
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| 13:08.45 | CountZ | no |
| 13:09.09 | kofj | CountZ, then whick tool can resize a partition like fat32 or ext3 |
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| 13:09.25 | g00se | !parted |
| 13:09.26 | dpkg | GNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted I used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. supports Apple and sparc partition tables. |
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| 13:09.50 | jetx | :( |
| 13:09.55 | kofj | I will try "parted" ,thx |
| 13:09.59 | jetx | parted doesn't do ext3 afaicr |
| 13:10.22 | jetx | lose the journal first, if that's still true |
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| 13:10.30 | linuxfreck | any recent parted does ext3 |
| 13:10.35 | jetx | ah |
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| 13:11.29 | CountZ | ah yes looks like parted does it |
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| 13:11.49 | CountZ | "Filesystems which are currently fully supported are ext2, ext3, fat (FAT16 and FAT32), ReiserFS (with libreiserfs) and linux-swap." |
| 13:12.07 | PerfDave | It's annoying, parted supports ext3 and qtparted doesn't (in Sarge at least) |
| 13:12.08 | CountZ | I guess I haven't touched parted in a long long time |
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| 13:12.24 | CountZ | usually that case that GUI tools are a bit behind |
| 13:14.47 | dan2_ | qtparted supports a hell of a lot more filesystems than parted |
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| 13:14.59 | dan2_ | ntfs, xfs, ... |
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| 13:15.39 | PerfDave | dan2_: Just not the one that's the default on Debian ;) |
| 13:15.40 | briankeys | can someone tell me the trick to exit X (Gnome) and get back to the console (not switch to another console) |
| 13:15.47 | briankeys | or how to restart X with new settings :) |
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| 13:16.25 | unmanarc | i installed apache2 in debian with apt-get... but isn't showing any jpg files (isnt permission problem)... but show gif files... any idea? |
| 13:16.30 | g00se_ | briankeys Ctrl-Alt Backspace |
| 13:16.44 | briankeys | ah, i'll try that :) |
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| 13:17.40 | greycat | no *ego*? that's crazy. |
| 13:17.44 | greycat | ECHAN. sorry. |
| 13:17.57 | antgel | unmanarc: dpkg -l *jpeg* |
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| 13:18.30 | antgel | unmanarc: not sure if apache uses libjpeg but seems like good place to start |
| 13:19.03 | mysurfguide | unmanarc, check ur /var/log/error_log, also may want to concider getting GD in later for rendering of images for ur scripts :) |
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| 13:19.32 | unmanarc | mysurfguide: no scripts. directly: http://localhost/image.jpg |
| 13:19.33 | antgel | !ur |
| 13:19.34 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 13:19.35 | unmanarc | and... |
| 13:19.53 | unmanarc | does not need any image processing... i only want transfer it in binary form. |
| 13:20.02 | TK-1 | dont u just love it when u reboot ur server and it dont come bak up and its on the otherside of the world to u :) |
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| 13:20.16 | mysurfguide | ah, make sure that apache has a handler for jpg, and that some libraries arent missing, once again error_log is ur best buddy |
| 13:20.31 | abrotman | !tell TK-1 about ui |
| 13:20.32 | abrotman | !tell TK-1 about u |
| 13:20.33 | abrotman | !tell TK-1 about ur |
| 13:20.47 | unmanarc | mysurfguide: errorlog does not showing any error... |
| 13:20.48 | rodrigo | Please, they alguem can pass me link complete pra to lower pure64? |
| 13:20.50 | abrotman | god .. how many fucking words can you screw up in one sentence? |
| 13:20.55 | mysurfguide | whats the line of where the image has been tried to be displayed? |
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| 13:21.05 | antgel | unmanarc: did you do what i suggested? |
| 13:21.08 | mysurfguide | file not found? |
| 13:21.08 | abrotman | !tell rodrigo about amd64 |
| 13:21.11 | abrotman | i think? |
| 13:21.13 | abrotman | !br |
| 13:21.13 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 13:21.43 | dan2_ | abrotman: ahoy |
| 13:21.52 | Tuttle | there seem not to be ext3 Ext. attr. support in vanilla 2.4.31, but debian has EA in 2.4.27 package. does that mean debian patched the kernel or the feature was ripped from vanilla? |
| 13:22.06 | abrotman | dan2_: hey |
| 13:22.19 | abrotman | dan2_: shouldn't you be at practice? |
| 13:22.21 | dan2_ | abrotman: I'm sitting in a hotel room in nyc |
| 13:22.27 | dan2_ | abrotman: no, I quit |
| 13:22.31 | abrotman | dan2_: have you been abducted? |
| 13:22.34 | abrotman | you quit why? |
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| 13:22.43 | dan2_ | abrotman: I need somebody to go out to lunch with |
| 13:22.51 | dan2_ | abrotman: didn't want to do it anymore |
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| 13:22.52 | abrotman | dan2_: but i'm in philly ... |
| 13:22.59 | dan2_ | abrotman: yes, I know |
| 13:23.00 | dan2_ | ;) |
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| 13:23.07 | abrotman | dan2_: there are DDs in NYC |
| 13:23.10 | drust_ | hi |
| 13:23.15 | unmanarc | mysurfguide: |
| 13:23.16 | unmanarc | GET http://localhost/logo.jpg HTTP/1.2 |
| 13:23.16 | unmanarc | HTTP/1.1 200 OK |
| 13:23.16 | unmanarc | Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:22:02 GMT |
| 13:23.16 | unmanarc | Server: Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/5.0.4-3 |
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| 13:23.24 | PerfDave | Tuttle: You can look at the kernel-source package for Debian's 2.4.27 to see what patches were applied |
| 13:23.24 | unmanarc | Last-Modified: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:01:10 GMT |
| 13:23.25 | dan2_ | abrotman: yes, and I STILL don't have an ID |
| 13:23.26 | unmanarc | ETag: "2322-2da6-92ef9180" |
| 13:23.28 | unmanarc | Accept-Ranges: bytes |
| 13:23.30 | unmanarc | Content-Length: 11686 |
| 13:23.31 | abrotman | unmanarc: see the topic? .. see the part about pasting? |
| 13:23.32 | unmanarc | Content-Type: image/jpeg |
| 13:23.34 | unmanarc | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 13:23.36 | antgel | unmanarc: stop that shit |
| 13:23.36 | abrotman | unmanarc: STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:23.44 | abrotman | dan2_: id for what? |
| 13:23.47 | antgel | plum |
| 13:23.52 | mysurfguide | that doesnt make sense unmarac: are you using vhosts? |
| 13:23.55 | abrotman | unmanarc: are you fucking stupid? |
| 13:23.58 | dan2_ | abrotman: photo id (required by patriot act, debian et all) |
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| 13:24.17 | mysurfguide | www.pastebin.com , everybody is new... |
| 13:24.18 | abrotman | dan2_: photo id? .. to do what? |
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| 13:24.38 | dan2_ | abrotman: to ride trains, airplanes, and to for identification |
| 13:24.42 | drust_ | i am searching where ton active the "loop" module in the linux kernel, somebody know where is it ? |
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| 13:24.47 | drust_ | where to* |
| 13:24.52 | abrotman | dan2_: but you're a "child" |
| 13:24.57 | oskie | is there a good fast bittorrent client? bittorrent and bittornado are too slow (50% CPU on Athlon 2000+ with 1MB/s up+1MB/s down) |
| 13:25.03 | jm_ | drust_: block devices |
| 13:25.09 | mysurfguide | azureus |
| 13:25.12 | dan2_ | abrotman: pennsylvania is a dipshit commonwealth that doesn't issue IDs under age 16 |
| 13:25.13 | jm_ | oskie: try rtorrent |
| 13:25.13 | drust_ | thanks jm_ |
| 13:25.15 | mysurfguide | or however you spell damn thing |
| 13:25.18 | abrotman | dan2_: you can get one |
| 13:25.21 | mysurfguide | lol |
| 13:25.33 | dan2_ | abrotman: I don't feel like doing passport bullshit |
| 13:25.39 | mysurfguide | but ive got 24mbit downstream so it goes fast anyway? |
| 13:25.40 | Tuttle | PerfDave: that would mean i need to download 30MiB, which is way slower than to ask here :) |
| 13:25.42 | mysurfguide | :P |
| 13:25.51 | PerfDave | oskie: If bittorrent is using 50% of your Athlon 2000+ then something is wrong, because it's not using 50% of my Pentium 166 :) |
| 13:26.20 | abrotman | dan2_: i meant a normal id |
| 13:26.27 | dan2_ | abrotman: how? |
| 13:26.32 | drust_ | jm_, does loop module == loopback device support ? |
| 13:26.36 | mysurfguide | bufferin to high to cache externally , bad coding? |
| 13:26.43 | abrotman | dan2_: ask for it :) .. i'm pretty damn sure you can get one |
| 13:26.47 | jm_ | drust_: yes |
| 13:26.49 | abrotman | dan2_: and you might as well get a passport |
| 13:26.50 | oskie | PerfDave: do you have 2 MBytes/s throughput? |
| 13:26.50 | drust_ | :) |
| 13:26.59 | dan2_ | abrotman: nope, DMV gave me a big ass hassle saying, No |
| 13:27.01 | Tuttle | What is the caveats of compiling and using vanilla kernel on the production debian server? |
| 13:27.05 | PerfDave | oskie: Nope, but I don't have 2MByte/s bandwidth ;) |
| 13:27.06 | abrotman | dan2_: i didn't mean DMV |
| 13:27.17 | dan2_ | where?!?!?!?! |
| 13:27.31 | drust_ | thank for your help ! |
| 13:27.44 | abrotman | dan2_: i thought they were called Personal ID cards .. let me wait til my friend who works for the PA state gets online .. he might know |
| 13:27.48 | PerfDave | Tuttle: No security patches, little support if it doesn't work. Just make sure that you use make-kpkg to compile it, to keep things simple for you. |
| 13:28.02 | abrotman | dan2_: though .. he works for the state .. he may not show up for work until noon :) |
| 13:28.09 | oskie | PerfDave: when I had only 200KBytes/s (100 up+100 down), cpu usage was OK... |
| 13:28.13 | dan2_ | yes, mediocrity of PA govt |
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| 13:28.35 | PerfDave | oskie: Are you using the GUI versions or the CLI versions? |
| 13:28.40 | abrotman | dan2_: and to make it worse .. he works for a bipartisan committee :) |
| 13:28.49 | abrotman | or nonpartisan .. whatever |
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| 13:29.15 | PerfDave | The very fact that "bipartisan" means the same as "nonpartisan" in US politics is a sad reflection ;) |
| 13:29.20 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 13:29.30 | mysurfguide | i run over 1700KB/s with azureus taking approx# 13-20% CPU usage with 2-3 torrents downloading... athlon 1350mhz |
| 13:29.56 | dan2_ | abrotman: heh |
| 13:29.57 | greycat | !perfdave++ |
| 13:30.02 | Tuttle | Isn't it considered insecure to use packaged kernel with sooooo many modules, module support, etc. ? I was used to compile my own smallest possible kernel with no module support... isn't the vanilla security patched too? |
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| 13:30.24 | abrotman | Tuttle: depends on the machine |
| 13:30.32 | stouset | Woot. |
| 13:30.39 | Tuttle | abrotman: how? |
| 13:30.49 | PerfDave | Tuttle: Vanilla kernels may get security patches, but you have to do it manually. If you use a Debian-provided kernel-image and you're running stable, then you will get security fixes just with apt-get from security.debian.org |
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| 13:30.58 | oskie | PerfDave: ncurses .. btlaunchmanycurses |
| 13:31.10 | abrotman | Tuttle: if it has no internet and only a root login .. and only you know that password? |
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| 13:31.27 | XefseeE | hello everyone |
| 13:31.36 | PerfDave | oskie: btlaunchmanycurses from bittorrent or from bittornado |
| 13:31.38 | PerfDave | ? |
| 13:31.50 | greycat | they both suck. :) |
| 13:31.52 | mysurfguide | the only secure box is the one shut down and even then you cant take ur attention off of it ( someone else might start it ;) ) |
| 13:31.57 | abrotman | Tuttle: i can see if you had a wide open internet-facing server .. doing what you said ... |
| 13:32.02 | abrotman | !tell mysurfguide about ur |
| 13:32.08 | oskie | PerfDave: bittornado |
| 13:32.11 | greycat | bittorrent can't set a throttle on TOTAL bandwidth (only per-stream), and bittornado can't even fucking count bytes correctly |
| 13:32.16 | Tuttle | PerfDave: So you feel more secure with debian package w/ modules than with self compiled kernel without unneeded code (which makes most of the code...)? |
| 13:32.29 | mysurfguide | abrotman, yes im swedish :) |
| 13:32.36 | PerfDave | Tuttle: Yes, because Debian kernels don't load any modules they don't need, hence those modules can't be exploited. |
| 13:32.37 | abrotman | mysurfguide: i'm not |
| 13:32.37 | zinx | greycat: you <3 crappy software |
| 13:32.45 | abrotman | mysurfguide: but i'm part norweigan! |
| 13:32.49 | mysurfguide | abrotman, cool! |
| 13:32.58 | abrotman | ludefisk .. mmmm |
| 13:33.03 | mysurfguide | hehe good stuff |
| 13:33.04 | Tuttle | PerfDave: once the firewall is compromised, the module loading ability could be abused |
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| 13:33.07 | mysurfguide | sill |
| 13:33.11 | mysurfguide | know sill? |
| 13:33.12 | NOthsouth | how can I echo the network? |
| 13:33.19 | PerfDave | Tuttle: Only if they've got root, and if you've got root you're fucked anyway. |
| 13:33.22 | abrotman | mysurfguide: don't think so |
| 13:33.28 | greycat | imadev:~$ echo the network |
| 13:33.28 | greycat | the network |
| 13:33.34 | Guerin | i recommend rtorrent |
| 13:33.48 | Guerin | bittorrent/bittornado also flake out pretty regularly for me |
| 13:33.48 | mysurfguide | hearring, layered in salt and garlic, eat for easter,christmas and holidays, very good! |
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| 13:34.02 | PerfDave | Tuttle: I think it's more likely that I'll get rooted with a hand-compiled kernel than a Debian-provided one. Your opinion may differ. |
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| 13:34.06 | antgel | !tell NOthsouth about ask |
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| 13:34.13 | Guerin | did so this lastw eekend when i had sole responsibility for seeding a file to ~100 users while i was in japan |
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| 13:34.30 | Tuttle | thanks |
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| 13:38.44 | alex____1 | how can I check for the version of the modules ? a modprobe -V only ouput the version of modutils right ? |
| 13:39.05 | eye69 | alex____1: Try modinfo |
| 13:39.05 | antgel | alex____1: it's the kernel version |
| 13:39.19 | stouset | alex____1: modules are tied to the version of your kernel |
| 13:39.31 | alex____1 | ok |
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| 13:40.04 | NOthsouth | i'm on debian sarge, I want to send a message by terminal, for another terminal in another pc on my network.. |
| 13:40.12 | PerfDave | NOthsouth: talk? |
| 13:40.38 | NOthsouth | PerfDave, yes |
| 13:40.45 | stouset | NOthsouth: No, "talk" is the name of the program |
| 13:40.59 | mysurfguide | yup |
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| 13:41.02 | NOthsouth | I remember i did once, using echo .>> |
| 13:41.20 | mysurfguide | message ttyp0/1/2 whichever "message" |
| 13:41.31 | mysurfguide | on bsd that is, not sure about deb |
| 13:41.43 | mysurfguide | use how to find the users ttyp |
| 13:42.05 | Guerin | ityp who |
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| 13:43.07 | mikejn1 | Hello |
| 13:43.08 | x-Al1gma | hello mikejn1 |
| 13:43.14 | mikejn1 | Hi. |
| 13:43.37 | NOthsouth | hum |
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| 13:43.45 | mikejn1 | I have a couple questions regarding debian. I sm sure you can help |
| 13:44.02 | PerfDave | mikejn1: We could help if you asked, possibly. |
| 13:44.16 | zinx | mikejn1: We'll help you with your problem, or you'll be sorry you asked. |
| 13:44.29 | NOthsouth | how can I find the other computers tty ? |
| 13:44.47 | zinx | NOthsouth: why not just use talk? |
| 13:44.54 | antgel | won't that only work for different tty's on the same machine? |
| 13:45.15 | mysurfguide | NOthsouth: try using "who" |
| 13:45.30 | NOthsouth | mysurfguide, who just show me my local tty |
| 13:45.34 | mikejn1 | my first question.. I have a canon ip6000d printer and it has a cf card reader built in to it. It is loading up the usb mass storage device but it does not see the card. |
| 13:45.40 | mysurfguide | ah i see, my bad |
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| 13:46.15 | mikejn1 | I have had a different distro on this pc and it worked fine. When I plugged in the card an icon appeared on the desktop |
| 13:46.31 | mikejn1 | then I could look at my pictures from there |
| 13:46.52 | zinx | mikejn1: are you mounting it? |
| 13:46.53 | antgel | mikejn1: you probably need to mount it. |
| 13:47.37 | zinx | mikejn1: if you're not, you may want to take a look at gnome-volume-manager, which will auto-mount it for you, and nautilus, which will show that auto-mounted filesystem on the desktop |
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| 13:48.01 | antgel | if you're using gnome, that is |
| 13:48.03 | mikejn1 | I did this... mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt and got this mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 13:48.16 | mikejn1 | I am using KDE |
| 13:48.23 | antgel | mikejn1: ls /dev/sd*? |
| 13:48.46 | zinx | dunno what the equivilant in kde is, but gnome-volume-manager will work with it still.. dunno if anything will show gnome-volume-manager mounted stuff ;) |
| 13:49.00 | Eulex | mikejn1, fdisk -l /dev/sda? |
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| 13:49.51 | alex____1 | I am trying to install a simple app xawtv, ./configure, make and make install do not outut any errors, I have a man xawtv man installed as said by the doc, the problem ? I have not got the cmd installed |
| 13:50.13 | tarzeau | alex____1: did you try apt-get install xawtv ? |
| 13:50.18 | mikejn1 | ok i did the ls /dev/sd*? and got a listing of all the /dev's |
| 13:50.41 | alex____1 | tarzeau: yes, but I am on ubuntu and I have not got it on my package list |
| 13:50.44 | Eulex | mikejn1, that hasn't got anything to do with the partitions of the device |
| 13:50.57 | Eulex | !ubuntu |
| 13:50.57 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 13:51.05 | Eulex | !based on debian |
| 13:51.05 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 13:51.23 | alex____1 | but why is that so ? why should I go on ubuntu since ubuntu is a debian ?? |
| 13:51.29 | antgel | don't be a cock |
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| 13:51.41 | alex____1 | a cock ? |
| 13:51.46 | antgel | !cock |
| 13:51.47 | dpkg | [cock] what ody eats every hour. For the record, I love the cock. |
| 13:51.51 | antgel | hmm |
| 13:52.00 | PerfDave | alex____1: Ubuntu is not "a Debian", it is Ubuntu. It is supported on #ubuntu. |
| 13:52.01 | abrotman | alex____1: go to #ubuntu .. ubuntu IS NOT debian |
| 13:52.04 | zinx | alex____1: ubuntu is based on debian. it isn't debian, and we can't help you with its problems. #ubuntu, however, can |
| 13:52.12 | alex____1 | ok |
| 13:52.18 | alex____1 | I se |
| 13:52.22 | alex____1 | thanks anyway |
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| 13:53.11 | Rawplayer | lame nick |
| 13:53.19 | zinx | lame person ;) |
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| 13:53.39 | stouset | I suppose we should have directed him to LKML, since Debian is "a Linux" more than Ubuntu is "a Debian". |
| 13:53.46 | jetx | i saw him asking something in another channel also.. not ubuntu |
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| 13:54.43 | mikejn1 | So if I ran gnome desktop you are saying that it would mount the card automatically |
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| 13:55.02 | antgel | mikejn1: did you do the fdisk -l as Eulex suggested? |
| 13:55.03 | mikejn1 | if volume manager is installed |
| 13:55.10 | mikejn1 | yes |
| 13:55.13 | jetx | htf do you spell thourough |
| 13:55.19 | mikejn1 | just came back to a prompt |
| 13:55.20 | jetx | thurow |
| 13:55.22 | jetx | lkdskfljasd'jf' |
| 13:55.35 | postel | Anybody runs ASP pages in apache? Which debian package you're using? libapache-mod-mono or Apache:ASP with mod_perl? |
| 13:55.48 | NOthsouth | how did I use wall :? |
| 13:55.49 | jetx | mono would be .net |
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| 13:56.03 | jetx | aka asp.net |
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| 13:56.10 | antgel | mikejn1: that's why you can't mount it. check the syslog when you insert the card. |
| 13:56.22 | jetx | asp != asp.net |
| 13:56.29 | mikejn1 | ok hang on |
| 13:56.41 | postel | so lets go for mod_perl and Apache::ASP |
| 13:56.52 | zinx | mikejn1: you can run the gnome volume manager even if you're not running gnome.. KDE may have something equivilant though |
| 13:57.38 | jetx | the mono may support the older asp, not sure. |
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| 13:58.41 | mikejn1 | /etc/syslog.conf right? |
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| 13:59.39 | mikejn1 | nm wrong place.. hang on |
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| 14:03.29 | mikejn1 | i am in var/log/syslog what should I be looking for? |
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| 14:03.55 | mikejn1 | I took out the card and reinserted it |
| 14:04.10 | mikejn1 | then looked at the log again and saw no difference |
| 14:04.12 | antgel | mikejn1: tail -f the file. when you insert the cf card, you should see something happen there as the kernel recognises the card. |
| 14:04.26 | mikejn1 | ok |
| 14:04.30 | shadowcat | what version of udev is required for 2.6.12 to work properly? |
| 14:04.52 | shadowcat | can I just stick with the one in testing or do I have to upgrade to udev in unstable? |
| 14:04.55 | zinx | more like what version of 2.6.12 is required for udev to work properly |
| 14:05.14 | shadowcat | zinx: hmm |
| 14:05.16 | greycat | more like which version of 2.6 will work properly |
| 14:05.22 | zinx | shadowcat: if you're having some problem, just mention it |
| 14:05.26 | Eulex | I'm running a 2.6.12.1 kernel I've compiled myself with the version of udev in testing |
| 14:05.36 | shadowcat | zinx: just inquiring at the moment |
| 14:05.42 | shadowcat | I'm gonna try out software suspend with 2.6.12 |
| 14:05.58 | shadowcat | just trying to get ahead of any problems |
| 14:06.11 | shadowcat | although I'm sure Murphy's will get me soon enough :( |
| 14:06.15 | Eulex | everything's working fine here... |
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| 14:06.37 | stouset | shadowcat: Only if there are two ways of doing something, and one of them will result in catastrophic failure. |
| 14:06.58 | shadowcat | stouset: heh |
| 14:07.17 | mikejn1 | ok there was no change in the tail -f between the card out and the card in |
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| 14:07.39 | abrotman | shadowcat: you could hunt down marco ... or file a bug .. he loves bugs :) |
| 14:07.40 | antgel | mikejn1: then the kernel isn't recognising the card. what if you unplug and replug the usb device? |
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| 14:07.45 | Anthro | I have a PDF that thinks it is protected from printing and grabbing. I'd like to extract a page from it and print it. I am currently on a Windows box with ssh access to my Debian box, so I need a commandline solution. Anyone? |
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| 14:08.03 | abrotman | !whoppix |
| 14:08.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, whoppix is the old name for WHAX (http://www.iwhax.net), a stand alone penetration testing live cd based on SLAX based on Slackware |
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| 14:08.24 | mikejn1 | it does recognise the mass storage device being unplugged and plugged back in |
| 14:08.26 | abrotman | Anthro: convert to PS ? |
| 14:08.39 | antgel | Anthro: if you just need text, pdftotext |
| 14:08.45 | abrotman | or that |
| 14:08.53 | abrotman | !find pdf2 |
| 14:08.54 | Anthro | abrotman: Mm. Plausible. And I need more than text. |
| 14:09.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pdf2' (6 of 10): (/usr/bin/{pdf2dsc|pdf2ps}) in text/gs-common ;; (/usr/share/gs-esp/8.15/lib/pdf2dsc.ps) in text/gs-esp ;; (/usr/share/gs-gpl/8.15/lib/pdf2dsc.ps) in text/gs-gpl ;; (/usr/share/mantis/gui/images/pdf2icon.gif) in web/mantis ;; (/var/spool/hylafax/bin/pdf2fax.gs) in comm/hylafax-server ;; (/usr/share/gs-afpl/8.14/lib/pdf2dsc.ps) in non-free/text/gs-afpl. |
| 14:09.04 | abrotman | actually .. that will be messy :) |
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| 14:09.11 | mikejn1 | I had a programmer friend look at it for me.. He is not familuar with debian. But he was able to tell me that much |
| 14:09.47 | antgel | mikejn1: you need to paste the log somewhere otherwise there is no fucking detail for us to go on (clue, not here) |
| 14:09.52 | Eulex | mikejn1, change to a tty and see what output you get when you insert whatever stuff you were insterting? |
| 14:09.53 | mikejn1 | As I mentioned.. I did work fine in another distro |
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| 14:10.11 | abrotman | !find bin/pdf2 |
| 14:10.11 | defcon8 | mikejn1, does it matter? what matters is it isnt working in windows |
| 14:10.22 | defcon8 | i mean what matters is it isnt working on debian |
| 14:10.24 | greycat | windows matters? |
| 14:10.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/pdf2' (3): (/usr/bin/{pdf2dsc|pdf2ps}) in text/gs-common ;; (/var/spool/hylafax/bin/pdf2fax.gs) in comm/hylafax-server ;; (/usr/share/doc/swish-e/examples/prog-bin/{pdf2html.pm|pdf2xml.pm}) in web/swish-e. |
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| 14:11.39 | abrotman | Anthro: pdf2html might be good ? |
| 14:11.43 | mikejn1 | yes it works fine.. just not in debian. I do most of my stuff in debian and it would be a hlep to me to be able to work with the pics instead of rebooting to windows |
| 14:11.50 | abrotman | lsusb |
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| 14:11.55 | antgel | !find bin/pdfto |
| 14:12.02 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/pdfto' (5): (/usr/bin/pdftosrc) in tex/tetex-bin ;; (/usr/bin/pdftohtml) in text/pdftohtml ;; (/usr/bin/pdftoppm) in text/xpdf-reader ;; (/usr/bin/pdftoipe) in graphics/pdftoipe ;; (/usr/bin/{pdftops|pdftotext}) in text/xpdf-utils. |
| 14:12.11 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/sdx or whatever it is |
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| 14:12.40 | gouchi | hi |
| 14:13.08 | gouchi | I have just done an aptitude upgrade |
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| 14:13.29 | gouchi | and I have an error |
| 14:13.39 | shadowcat | upgrade to what |
| 14:13.40 | gouchi | Setting up libc6 (2.3.5-3) ... |
| 14:13.41 | gouchi | mv: error while loading shared libraries: libacl.so.1: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14 |
| 14:13.52 | antgel | gouchi: are you using unstable? |
| 14:13.52 | gouchi | libc6 is broken ? |
| 14:13.58 | gouchi | antgel : yes |
| 14:14.00 | mfrisch | yup |
| 14:14.01 | shadowcat | ouch |
| 14:14.05 | shadowcat | that's a pretty serious error |
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| 14:14.09 | gouchi | yep |
| 14:14.09 | antgel | !tell gouchi about unstable |
| 14:14.17 | Eulex | mikejn1, knowing that it works in windows and not in debian doesn't help us a bit in helping you -- did you switch to a tty, insert whatever you inserted and watch the console? |
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| 14:14.32 | gouchi | antgel : yep :) |
| 14:14.34 | gouchi | I know |
| 14:14.44 | gouchi | is there some solution |
| 14:14.58 | gouchi | because if libc6 is broken many progran can't run |
| 14:15.11 | jetx | my sid works fine and i just updated.. phew |
| 14:15.19 | greycat | gouchi: bugs.debian.org/libc6 |
| 14:15.22 | greycat | gouchi: reportbug |
| 14:15.27 | mikejn1 | Eulix "change to a tty" I don't know how to do that (forgive me) |
| 14:15.28 | mfrisch | gouchi testing is ok...;-) |
| 14:15.33 | eps | jetx eh? I still have a bunch of programs being held back |
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| 14:15.43 | Eulex | mikejn1, CTRL-ALT-F(1-6) |
| 14:15.46 | antgel | i never upgrade sid except for the packages where i need new features. keeps things, well, stable. :) |
| 14:15.54 | gouchi | ;-) |
| 14:15.55 | jetx | i must not have those programs then |
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| 14:16.02 | Eulex | antgel, wise choice |
| 14:16.05 | antgel | mikejn1: did you paste the syslog output somewhere? |
| 14:16.06 | shadowcat | heh |
| 14:16.08 | drac | heh, libc6 is definately broken in unstable, makes even irssi-text unusable :P |
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| 14:16.20 | jetx | i upgrade every day if i remember to |
| 14:16.22 | mikejn1 | no .. I am sorry what I meant by "another distro" is it worked in suse just fine |
| 14:16.24 | Ungy | I upgrdae every day with sid and I never have a problem |
| 14:16.25 | shadowcat | I'm running evolution from unstable |
| 14:16.31 | gouchi | :) |
| 14:16.33 | shadowcat | and XOrg |
| 14:16.35 | shadowcat | that's about it |
| 14:16.48 | mfrisch | apt-cron works |
| 14:16.54 | Eulex | mikejn1, knowing that it works in another distro doesn't help us solving it |
| 14:16.59 | gouchi | no bugreport yet ? |
| 14:17.02 | jetx | i don't do gnome or kde , just a couple programs from them |
| 14:17.02 | shadowcat | some packages in testing depend on packages in unstable though |
| 14:17.05 | sess | my sarge system doesn't have /etc/apt/apt.conf, just the apt.conf.d dir. I want to install beagle from the unstable branch but I don't want to upgrade to sid. Where can I look for a howto or faq? |
| 14:17.07 | shadowcat | which is annoying |
| 14:17.09 | sess | google didn't really help |
| 14:17.19 | jetx | create the file |
| 14:17.22 | shadowcat | sess: so make an apt.conf |
| 14:17.40 | Eulex | shadowcat, yep, alsa stuff |
| 14:17.45 | jetx | btw in the factoid about pinning, \n is a <cr> iirc |
| 14:17.47 | antgel | what is the point of upgrading willy-nilly? seems to me that it's a magnet for problems. |
| 14:18.01 | jetx | i always upgrade willy-nilly |
| 14:18.06 | shadowcat | shadowcat@lockheed:~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 14:18.07 | shadowcat | APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 14:18.07 | shadowcat | APT::Cache-Limit "12582912"; |
| 14:18.13 | jetx | how else to find the problems? |
| 14:18.13 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: hello. |
| 14:18.14 | shadowcat | sess: put that into your apt.conf |
| 14:18.16 | shadowcat | problem solved |
| 14:18.21 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: how are you? |
| 14:18.22 | Ungy | willy-nilly I am trying to get a fix for gftp damn thing crashes on me in middle of transfers all the time now |
| 14:18.25 | shadowcat | obviously omit the first line |
| 14:18.36 | antgel | jetx: leave it to mugs like, oh... ;) |
| 14:18.46 | gouchi | no report this problem ? |
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| 14:18.55 | shadowcat | heh |
| 14:18.56 | gouchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.06 | Eulex | Ungy, checked bts? |
| 14:19.16 | mikejn1 | I am sorry I am just trying to help and give you all the information that I know |
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| 14:19.30 | Ungy | Eulex didn't see it there but I can't figure that bts out |
| 14:19.33 | antgel | mikejn1: how about giving the info from the log? |
| 14:19.41 | RvGaTe | somehow i managed to get 22 GB on data traffic in 4 days... i mean... wtf? :P |
| 14:19.42 | antgel | mikejn1: something that might help |
| 14:19.58 | gouchi | iF libc6 2.3.5-3 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 14:20.09 | greycat | gouchi: reportbug |
| 14:20.18 | mikejn1 | ok lemme find a place to post it |
| 14:20.19 | RinzeWind | Is there any way to tell startx to start the X server on tty7? |
| 14:20.23 | Ungy | Eulex mind you it may be a bit frustrating crashign all the time but hey I don't mind it that much |
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| 14:20.29 | RinzeWind | Suddenly it starts them in tty4 |
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| 14:20.48 | shadowcat | you know |
| 14:20.51 | gouchi | greycat : ok |
| 14:20.51 | shadowcat | speaking of unstable |
| 14:20.57 | gouchi | first bugreport lol |
| 14:20.57 | shadowcat | people shoult install apt-listbugs |
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| 14:20.59 | shadowcat | comes in handy |
| 14:21.08 | shadowcat | along with apt-listchanges |
| 14:21.18 | shadowcat | should* |
| 14:21.22 | RvGaTe | !line |
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| 14:21.48 | oskie | anyone have good experience with Netgear GA311 (gbit nic) in linux? |
| 14:21.50 | briankeys | is the ipmasq package debian's only iptables configuration tool? |
| 14:22.15 | Joyrider | RinzeWind: doesn't X start on the first available tty? |
| 14:22.16 | drac | shadowcat: imho, it should be installed by default with apt. :) |
| 14:22.22 | mfrisch | briankeys iptables shorewall |
| 14:22.27 | shadowcat | drac: so why isn't it? :P |
| 14:22.34 | drac | beats me.. |
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| 14:22.54 | RvGaTe | When i look in my process list, i see tty1 to tty6, what is this? |
| 14:22.59 | abrotman | briankeys: it's not an iptables configuration tool .. and no |
| 14:23.00 | RinzeWind | Joyrider: it has always started on tty7 |
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| 14:23.08 | abrotman | RvGaTe: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 14:23.25 | briankeys | abrotman, ah. i was looking for a gui version of a tool. ive been running a script i slapped in /etc/init.d/ so far :-/ |
| 14:23.25 | RvGaTe | abrotman: with ssh... im working remote |
| 14:23.29 | antgel | !tell oskie about ask |
| 14:23.30 | Ungy | shadowcat installing now thanks for the tip |
| 14:23.39 | abrotman | RvGaTe: well .. that's what they are |
| 14:23.47 | shadowcat | uhh |
| 14:23.50 | abrotman | briankeys: nothing wrong with that as long as it works correctly |
| 14:23.58 | shadowcat | Ungy: you're running unstable without apt-listbugs? |
| 14:23.59 | abrotman | RvGaTe: they are the console terminals |
| 14:24.01 | shadowcat | that's just crazy |
| 14:24.09 | abrotman | shadowcat: i run it on sarge! |
| 14:24.11 | RvGaTe | abrotman: 6 of em ? |
| 14:24.12 | abrotman | ok .. not really |
| 14:24.12 | Ungy | shadowcat well now I have it |
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| 14:24.25 | jetx | i just downloaded 12 megs with gftp |
| 14:24.28 | shadowcat | abrotman: ok that's overkill |
| 14:24.31 | jetx | not gftp-text though |
| 14:24.32 | abrotman | RvGaTe: yes .. when you're at a console with no X .. they come in handy |
| 14:24.35 | sinned | how do i get apt to give me new config files with a package reinstall? |
| 14:24.36 | abrotman | shadowcat: i was joking! |
| 14:24.39 | tdela | can you tar -cvf a directory up but omit a specified directory? or do i need to mv that directory temporarily? |
| 14:24.47 | antgel | sinned: when you remove it, purge it |
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| 14:24.57 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: fine, and you? |
| 14:25.05 | RvGaTe | abrotman... so with remote ssh, its like useless? |
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| 14:25.13 | abrotman | sinned: man dpkg |
| 14:25.14 | sinned | antgel apt-get remove --purge package ? |
| 14:25.31 | abrotman | RvGaTe: well .. that's debatable .. you may some day need those ... |
| 14:25.32 | jetx | sinned: if you have the package locally, dpkg -i --force-confmiss blah.deb |
| 14:25.37 | jetx | iirc |
| 14:25.44 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: me too, thanks:) |
| 14:25.45 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 14:25.45 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 14:25.46 | jetx | man dpkg --force-help |
| 14:25.46 | antgel | sinned: yes, or even better aptitude purge package |
| 14:25.58 | RvGaTe | abrotman: hmm, k, thx.. just wondering |
| 14:25.59 | jetx | ahhh |
| 14:26.10 | abrotman | RvGaTe: check /etc/inittab .. |
| 14:26.11 | jetx | DPkg::Options= |
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| 14:26.35 | abrotman | i know a wulfie |
| 14:26.35 | shadowcat | christ |
| 14:26.39 | abrotman | but he's a cat |
| 14:26.39 | shadowcat | the thing has 26152 factoids |
| 14:26.49 | abrotman | !stats |
| 14:26.49 | dpkg | Since Sat Aug 6 05:05:28 2005, there have been 111 modifications, 5245 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1557 commands. I have been awake for 10d 9h 21m 13s this session, and currently reference 26152 factoids. I'm using about 16924 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1981.95/102.03 child 2292.65/183.74 |
| 14:26.50 | Wulfie | meow? |
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| 14:26.51 | antgel | !clever |
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| 14:27.00 | jetx | !botsnack |
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| 14:27.10 | abrotman | jetx: he doesn't snack any more .. i think he's on a diet |
| 14:27.13 | jetx | :( |
| 14:27.17 | shadowcat | !beer |
| 14:27.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 14:27.20 | antgel | !atkins |
| 14:27.22 | shadowcat | hmm |
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| 14:27.26 | shadowcat | !beer shadowcat |
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| 14:27.30 | Wulfie | hey folks - I just installed debian (unstable) and am having a problem with libgcrypt.so.11 - any ideas? |
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| 14:27.37 | jetx | heh |
| 14:27.40 | Wulfie | its error 14 |
| 14:27.45 | DomiX | hi, how can I change the terminal (tty) resolution without reboot my sarge (kernel debian 2.4) ? |
| 14:27.47 | shadowcat | Wulfie: why are you running unstable? |
| 14:27.50 | jetx | funny. my sid works just fine. |
| 14:27.53 | dhp_doublehp | !kick shadowcat |
| 14:27.54 | antgel | !any ideas |
| 14:27.54 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and 5 or 6 starving goats. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 14:27.59 | greycat | DomiX: run X instead of using console |
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| 14:28.12 | gboutwell | Is there an libapache2-mod-php4 for the apache2-mpm-worker? I can't seem to find one in debian's archives, the only one I found is for mpm-prefork. |
| 14:28.14 | shadowcat | DomiX: reboot |
| 14:28.20 | shadowcat | and run a framebuffer console |
| 14:28.22 | shadowcat | problem solved |
| 14:28.33 | jetx | i must confess though, when xorg first came in i started dualbooting etch and sid |
| 14:28.41 | Eulex | DomiX, not possible |
| 14:28.42 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: listen i write to the debian.org webmaster, for translation, and send him the first translated page. Frank Lichtenheld approved me for website access, but until new they did not make pserver account for me. |
| 14:28.44 | Wulfie | error loading libgcrypt.so.11: cannot enable executable stack as a shared object requires: error 14 |
| 14:28.47 | antgel | gboutwell: i don't think php and worker go together all that well. |
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| 14:28.54 | shadowcat | !tell Wulfie about unstable |
| 14:29.01 | shadowcat | !sidsmite Wulfie |
| 14:29.08 | abrotman | !broken ssl |
| 14:29.08 | dpkg | from memory, broken ssl is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321721, or "Bug reassigned from package `libssl0.9.7' to `glibc'. Request was from Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org" |
| 14:29.12 | abrotman | it's in the darn topic |
| 14:29.19 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: did you try ask frank lichtenheld again? maybe they're busy |
| 14:29.28 | greycat | abrotman: "darn"? |
| 14:29.33 | abrotman | damn? |
| 14:29.34 | abrotman | fucking? |
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| 14:29.37 | antgel | hmm, that's similar to the bug that someone pointed out a while back. is major breakage on hand? |
| 14:29.52 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: just send another translated page by mail with asking shyly about your access? |
| 14:29.53 | shadowcat | half of sid is broken at the moment |
| 14:29.56 | abrotman | asswiping? |
| 14:29.57 | shadowcat | get freaking used to it |
| 14:30.02 | abrotman | can we have an asswiping topic ? |
| 14:30.11 | greycat | accursed? thrice-damned? |
| 14:30.23 | tarzeau | blessed +5 damned |
| 14:30.25 | abrotman | nasty? |
| 14:30.31 | abrotman | it's in the nasty topic! |
| 14:30.31 | shadowcat | I don't see why people insist on running stuff off unstable |
| 14:30.36 | shadowcat | when they clearly can't handle it |
| 14:30.38 | abrotman | shadowcat: don't you ? |
| 14:30.55 | antgel | shadowcat: because they are crazy people |
| 14:31.04 | shadowcat | more like morons |
| 14:31.06 | abrotman | !broken ssl |
| 14:31.06 | dpkg | [broken ssl] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321721, or "Bug reassigned from package `libssl0.9.7' to `glibc'. Request was from Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org" |
| 14:31.17 | antgel | _i_ don't see why people insist on upgrading for no reason. |
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| 14:31.26 | briankeys | antgel, agreed |
| 14:31.30 | abrotman | !broken ssl =~ s/or "Bug reassigned from package `libssl0.9.7' to `glibc'. // |
| 14:31.30 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 14:31.31 | jetx | because it's cool |
| 14:31.32 | antgel | but it's nice of them to flesh about the bugs. |
| 14:31.36 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: no Frank Lichtenheld was approve me. and he add my page. He send message to me and joey. And tell Joey that he approve me. |
| 14:31.38 | antgel | about -> out |
| 14:31.43 | shadowcat | antgel: because they want to run the latest and greatest |
| 14:31.54 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: well i don't know then , what to do |
| 14:31.54 | antgel | jetx: cool but crazeeeee |
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| 14:32.02 | jetx | only thing cooler than sid is lfs |
| 14:32.08 | antgel | shadowcat: and most broken |
| 14:32.27 | shadowcat | antgel: that too |
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| 14:32.28 | abrotman | !broken ssl is also And of course, this is only a Minor severity bug. |
| 14:32.28 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 14:32.29 | Eulex | and then they sometimes run reiser4 too... |
| 14:32.44 | shadowcat | ReiserFS 4 is fine |
| 14:32.46 | stouse1 | jetx: What's cool about LFS? I'm not really a big fan of having to track versions of hundreds of pieces of software manually. |
| 14:32.49 | eartoast | moin |
| 14:32.52 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: look: http://www.debian.org/devel/website/translation_coordinators (armenian) |
| 14:32.54 | mysurfguide | id be comfortable on any debian release :) i prefer the release im most familiar with tho, running stable for a few years is not a worry on my side |
| 14:33.04 | antgel | stouse1: cool as in self-mutilation |
| 14:33.12 | briankeys | I set my box up so that it will load into X/Gnome after bootup. However, if I dont connect a mouse, X wont start. Is there a way to get X to start reguardless of mouse, and have the mouse work when i plug it in afterwards? (usb mouse) |
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| 14:33.18 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: and here : http://www.debian.org/index.hy.html :) |
| 14:33.22 | jetx | !xwontstart |
| 14:33.22 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
| 14:33.23 | stouse1 | antgel: Mmm... |
| 14:33.27 | yale_ | does anyone here know how to use at? It simply won't work for me... |
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| 14:33.33 | abrotman | mysurfguide: i go back and forth between stable/testing .. ie .. i track the release for a bit after .. then go to testing again .. this time i'll wait til etch gets xorg and gcc4 |
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| 14:33.51 | yale_ | I type 'at 4pm' hit enter, type echo "blowjob" |
| 14:33.58 | yale_ | and then ctrl-c |
| 14:34.02 | mysurfguide | thats cool, im brand new to xorg fork tho, concidered better than xf86 standard? |
| 14:34.08 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: very nice! |
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| 14:34.12 | yale_ | and then atq |
| 14:34.15 | yale_ | and there is nothing |
| 14:34.17 | abrotman | mysurfguide: 'free'er |
| 14:34.19 | antgel | mysurfguide: only by really boring people :P |
| 14:34.21 | mysurfguide | ah |
| 14:34.25 | mysurfguide | hehe |
| 14:34.32 | abrotman | and more imporantly .. DFSG-free |
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| 14:34.56 | shadowcat | Etch already has GCC4 |
| 14:34.56 | RvGaTe | !timeserver |
| 14:35.01 | RvGaTe | !timeservers |
| 14:35.02 | shadowcat | XOrg is on its way |
| 14:35.04 | RvGaTe | !time |
| 14:35.04 | dpkg | i guess time is found on http://www.time.com/, or Tue Aug 16 14:34:56 2005 UTC |
| 14:35.21 | eartoast | briankeys: try AllowMouseOpenFail option in ServerFlags... |
| 14:35.40 | briankeys | eartoast. thanks for the pointer. I'll check it out :) |
| 14:35.40 | shadowcat | just for the hell of it |
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| 14:36.13 | RvGaTe | i hate my ISP, my dns keeps going on and off... |
| 14:36.51 | Eulex | RvGaTe, what about local caching dns server? |
| 14:37.02 | Ungy | RvGaTe, use an external dns or use bind9 or some shit |
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| 14:37.37 | antgel | one of the first things that impressed me about debian was typing apt-get install bind and it just working for caching. |
| 14:37.49 | antgel | no fart-arsing about |
| 14:37.55 | mysurfguide | hehe |
| 14:37.58 | mysurfguide | runs good here |
| 14:38.03 | a_arcane | Anyone know a good guide on how to setup postfix? |
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| 14:38.15 | Ungy | a-arcane foir what purpose? |
| 14:38.24 | antgel | !tell a_arcane about /msg dpkg google |
| 14:38.29 | antgel | fuck |
| 14:38.31 | mysurfguide | might wanna try #postfix too |
| 14:38.40 | a_arcane | #postfix |
| 14:38.43 | a_arcane | thank you |
| 14:38.57 | Ungy | a_arcane if you want a good database controlled postfix set-up for sarge go to www.workaround.org |
| 14:39.18 | a_arcane | ok |
| 14:39.21 | antgel | !tell a_arcane about googleit |
| 14:39.26 | mysurfguide | ouch |
| 14:39.37 | antgel | that's better. i'm going to map that to an F-key or something. |
| 14:39.46 | mysurfguide | lol |
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| 14:42.33 | greycat | !tell gouchi about msg |
| 14:42.50 | greycat | 10:15 greycat> gouchi: reportbug |
| 14:42.56 | greycat | NOT "bugreport". |
| 14:43.10 | greycat | how the FUCK can you people run unstable and not know basic shit like how to report bugs? |
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| 14:43.41 | Karnaugh | relax? |
| 14:43.50 | gouchi | yep |
| 14:43.54 | prock | what's a bug report? |
| 14:43.54 | gouchi | reportbug |
| 14:44.05 | gouchi | make mistake :) |
| 14:44.08 | gouchi | reportbug |
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| 14:44.11 | gouchi | done |
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| 14:45.25 | fred87 | hi - two things RE jigdo: 0.7.2 doesn't seem to want to build with gcc 3.4, i'll send a patch, (2) is there documentation somewhere for making .jigdo and .torrent files? |
| 14:45.27 | jefe486 | is there a debian security channel? |
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| 14:47.31 | timte | Debian doesn't change mtu of ppp0 to 1412 when I change the setting in dsl-provider file, how come? |
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| 14:51.07 | ma3x | hi |
| 14:51.25 | ma3x | is there any dictionary tool, translating english german french? |
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| 14:51.56 | jefe486 | where can I find a tutorial on packaging .deb? |
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| 14:52.21 | antgel | jefe486: in the documentation section on www.debian.org |
| 14:52.29 | thingfish | ma3x: just google, there are several translator sites on the web. |
| 14:52.30 | jefe486 | antgel: thanks |
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| 14:52.57 | ma3x | thingfish, my point is - I want to download it and use it offline |
| 14:53.04 | antgel | jefe486: more specifically, i _think_ it's in the developer section |
| 14:53.09 | ma3x | like when im traveling somewhere and have no net access |
| 14:53.09 | thingfish | well you didn't say that hehe. |
| 14:53.20 | jefe486 | antgel: alright, I'll look. Thanks |
| 14:53.42 | orchid | ma3x: trans-de-en and translate |
| 14:53.52 | orchid | ma3x: apt-cache search |
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| 14:54.32 | ma3x | orchid, thnx |
| 14:54.38 | ma3x | anyway why do i get this error on boot |
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| 14:54.39 | ma3x | acx_pci: version magic '2.6.11-1-686 686 gcc-4.0' should be '2.6.11-1-686 686 gcc-3.3' |
| 14:55.08 | bgat | I just upgraded mysql-server to testing, and now I get this in my syslog: mysqld[27624]: 050816 9:53:14 /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown variable 'old_passwords=1' |
| 14:55.10 | bgat | any ideas? |
| 14:55.14 | bgat | (what did I break?) |
| 14:55.25 | antgel | bgat: read the mysql manual |
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| 14:55.43 | bgat | aah, so this isn't necessarially a debian thing, then? ok. |
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| 14:58.09 | ma3x | I can't find english-french translator package |
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| 14:59.06 | RvGaTe | how can i check what NTS i use ? |
| 14:59.31 | antgel | RvGaTe: what is nts? |
| 14:59.42 | ma3x | !nts |
| 14:59.51 | ma3x | need to speed :s |
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| 15:00.07 | Eulex | a guess; network time server? |
| 15:00.08 | RvGaTe | lol, did i type nts ? |
| 15:00.09 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 15:00.12 | RvGaTe | sntp |
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| 15:00.16 | lfs-livecd | hi |
| 15:00.16 | RvGaTe | thats what i meant |
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| 15:00.26 | Eulex | you mean smtp? |
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| 15:00.43 | ma3x | Simple Network Time Protocol |
| 15:00.44 | RvGaTe | no, SNTP, Simple Network Time Protocol |
| 15:00.44 | Lee__ | snmtp :) |
| 15:00.52 | rumpl | I'm using windowmaker and when i change workspaces with the mouse wheel, he changes 2 workspaces at time. Had no problems with the 2.4.29 kernel, now i have a 2.6.12 and i have this problem. |
| 15:01.00 | Daffy-PKF | can someone send me his /usr/sbin/update-rc.d file pleas? |
| 15:01.13 | rm-r | i have a text file, that opend with vim shows ^M at end of each line, i suppose that it is a DOS text (right?).How can i fix end of line of a DOS text file? |
| 15:01.15 | Aradorn | how do i make an environment variable (like the PATH variable) persistent? It resets after each reboot and when I try to connect to th emachine through SSH |
| 15:01.18 | Eulex | Daffy-PKF, and your problem is? |
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| 15:01.25 | antgel | rm-r: dos2unix |
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| 15:01.30 | rm-r | thnx |
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| 15:01.36 | Daffy-PKF | Eulex, installing apt on an lfs, it asks for update-rc.d |
| 15:01.38 | antgel | Aradorn: .bash_profile |
| 15:01.39 | asdrubal | PHOTOBLOG.NET MAJOR BUG RELEASED muahaha (still not patched) --> http://www.systemsecure.org/ssforum/viewtopic.php?t=65 |
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| 15:01.42 | RvGaTe | i need to know what server i use to sync.... becouse this windows machine (*puke) has its time set to time.windows.com, wich is 30 to 50 seconds different from the one i use with debian |
| 15:01.48 | Aradorn | antgel: thanks |
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| 15:01.55 | rm-r | antgel: i fonun it in which package? |
| 15:02.08 | antgel | !tell rm-r about apt-file |
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| 15:02.19 | Daffy-PKF | Eulex, i just need that file, i already know what to do with it |
| 15:02.30 | RvGaTe | !sntp |
| 15:02.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, sntp is simple network time protocol (see RFC 2030) |
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| 15:02.59 | antgel | RvGaTe: depends what daemon you use to sync. |
| 15:03.26 | rm-r | thnx |
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| 15:03.32 | niklaus | does anyone know cgiirc for this channel ? |
| 15:04.12 | Eulex | Daffy-PKF, that file is in the package sysv-rc |
| 15:04.17 | RvGaTe | brb |
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| 15:04.42 | Daffy-PKF | Eulex, i can't install any package until i install dpkg and apt other the sources installation |
| 15:04.55 | ma3x | why do i get always these two lines |
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| 15:05.01 | ma3x | debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde |
| 15:05.01 | ma3x | debconf: (Can't locate Qt.pm in @INC |
| 15:05.03 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 15:05.04 | x-Al1gma | hello DaBlade |
| 15:05.23 | DaBlade | I was wondering when KDE 3,4 will hit the repos... |
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| 15:05.29 | DaBlade | Does anyone know? |
| 15:05.32 | PerfDave | ma3x: Because you told debconf to use the Qt frontend? |
| 15:05.35 | antgel | Daffy-PKF: that lfs sounds really fun |
| 15:05.38 | PerfDave | DaBlade: Which repositories? :) |
| 15:05.40 | Eulex | Daffy-PKF, I know -- but apt is always installed on debian, and debian is the distro we support here |
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| 15:05.50 | antgel | !tell DaBlade about topic |
| 15:05.57 | ma3x | PerfDave, what should I tell it to use? |
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| 15:06.05 | xoz | ma3x: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 15:06.18 | ma3x | what should I select xoz? |
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| 15:06.26 | PerfDave | ma3x: Either install the Qt.pm thing it needs, or use a different frontend. Do what you want, man! |
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| 15:06.41 | DaBlade | no more non-us? |
| 15:06.42 | Daffy-PKF | antgel, linux from scratch ... |
| 15:06.46 | ma3x | xoz, but KDE is selected by default, is that wrong? |
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| 15:07.00 | Daffy-PKF | Eulex, that's why i'm here, everybody have that file i need |
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| 15:07.20 | antgel | Daffy-PKF: what? |
| 15:07.23 | Eulex | !not debian |
| 15:07.23 | dpkg | Knoppix isn't, Ubuntu isn't, Libranet isn't, Morphix isn't, lnx-bbc isn't, *your* installation you have right now ISN'T.... see if there is a channel available relevant to your distribution, if not, tough. Your questions do not belong here! |
| 15:07.42 | Daffy-PKF | antgel, www.linuxfromscratch.org |
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| 15:07.44 | Eulex | Daffy-PKF, though you could check the manual to see how to extract a deb manually |
| 15:07.45 | xoz | ma3x: choose dialog |
| 15:07.53 | ma3x | xoz okay |
| 15:07.56 | antgel | Daffy-PKF: why are you telling me that? |
| 15:07.58 | ma3x | anyway how to install that qt.pm |
| 15:08.01 | ma3x | whats the package name? |
| 15:08.10 | Daffy-PKF | antgel, you seemed curious about lfs |
| 15:08.16 | xoz | ma3x: /msg dpkg search |
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| 15:08.27 | obscuresoul | ma3x qt.pm is just a file? |
| 15:08.32 | Eulex | Daffy-PKF, I'm 99% sure he was ironic |
| 15:08.47 | pjz | is there a way for a user to describe a task (ie. set of packages) to be installed? |
| 15:08.51 | antgel | Daffy-PKF: know what it is. when i said it sounded fun, i meant in the same way as putting my nuts in a bowl of bleach. |
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| 15:09.13 | Daffy-PKF | nevermind, i found what i need, thanks for nothing |
| 15:09.23 | greycat | pjz: use dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections |
| 15:09.37 | ma3x | obscuresoul, a file in what package? |
| 15:09.43 | antgel | !tell DaBlade about msg |
| 15:09.52 | pjz | greycat: I'd like some kind of repository-level entity that I can define |
| 15:09.57 | zinx | Daffy-PKF: you're welcome, if you're not satisfied with your service always remember we give full cash refunds |
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| 15:10.18 | pjz | greycat: so I could do maybe 'apt-get install mytask' or something similar. would aptitude help? |
| 15:10.20 | jeremywhiting | hi all, anyone know a command to add more files to a cdr? |
| 15:10.34 | Trace | Hello, Does anyone here know Qt? i want to map 0x0090 to a character, but don't know how to do it. |
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| 15:11.46 | niklaus | which is the chinese distribution of linux ? |
| 15:11.58 | jeremywhiting | there aro a couple |
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| 15:12.03 | jeremywhiting | *are |
| 15:12.11 | jeremywhiting | Red Flag, TurboLinux |
| 15:12.14 | niklaus | which are famous like debian |
| 15:12.23 | jeremywhiting | both of the above |
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| 15:12.37 | jeremywhiting | read about em on distrowatch.org |
| 15:12.39 | CountZ | I see such messages in dmesg once in a while: device eth0 entered promiscuous mode |
| 15:12.40 | niklaus | i don't find any #redflag or #turbolinux |
| 15:12.45 | CountZ | should I be alarmed? |
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| 15:12.50 | Lee__ | would anyone know a utility in sarge that can work with openbsd disklabels? |
| 15:13.04 | jeremywhiting | CountZ: are you using ettercap? |
| 15:13.07 | antgel | CountZ: maybe. |
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| 15:13.12 | jeremywhiting | ettercap will do that |
| 15:13.14 | CountZ | no it's a simple webhosting box |
| 15:13.30 | antgel | !tell CountZ about chkrootkit |
| 15:13.38 | jeremywhiting | I'd be alarmed |
| 15:13.42 | antgel | CountZ: install chkrootkit |
| 15:13.43 | kpld | redflag is a garbage |
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| 15:15.11 | jefe486 | I was wondering if anyone knows of a good .deb packaging tutorial |
| 15:15.14 | CountZ | nothing found |
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| 15:15.23 | tarzeau | jefe486: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ here's one |
| 15:15.29 | jefe486 | thanks tarzeau |
| 15:15.31 | antgel | jefe486: you asked before. did you look? |
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| 15:15.47 | jefe486 | antgel: I certainly did... came up wit garbage tutorials |
| 15:15.58 | jefe486 | *with |
| 15:16.11 | witless | is anyone using gnome's window selector panel applet? mine has been broken for several days. |
| 15:16.15 | antgel | jefe486: how nice. |
| 15:16.28 | jefe486 | antgel: a little frustrating to be honest :) |
| 15:16.35 | Eulex | !anyone |
| 15:16.35 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 15:16.50 | witless | clever. |
| 15:17.10 | Eulex | checked the bts? |
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| 15:17.22 | antgel | jefe486: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html |
| 15:17.37 | witless | Eulex: i don't think i found what package |
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| 15:17.56 | jefe486 | antgel: its amazing to think how difficult it is to find anything in debian.org, lol |
| 15:17.59 | antgel | witless: you know what to do then. |
| 15:18.21 | jefe486 | antgel: I ended up with some crummy tutorial, whose author jumped all over the place and explained all of nothing |
| 15:18.26 | witless | get someone to confirm that it's a bug? |
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| 15:18.50 | antgel | witless: no, find uot which package it is and search the bts |
| 15:18.54 | antgel | uot=>out |
| 15:19.23 | antgel | jefe486: it's all about how you look. :) |
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| 15:19.40 | RvGaTe | http://www.google.com/search?q=answer%20to%20life,%20the%20universe,%20and%20everything <--- how funny is that, haha |
| 15:19.45 | jefe486 | antgel: fair enough... I'm too tired to actually perform an effective search :( |
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| 15:19.56 | jefe486 | RvGaTe: thats an oldy |
| 15:20.01 | jefe486 | oldie? |
| 15:20.01 | antgel | jefe486: you shouldn't expect us to do it for you |
| 15:20.03 | RvGaTe | still funny :P |
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| 15:20.30 | finn | where are fonts stored? |
| 15:20.33 | jefe486 | antgel: please don't start one me. I was just wondering if anyone knew of a GOOD tutorial. I'm not sure how to distinguish between good tutorials and not so good |
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| 15:20.37 | jefe486 | *on |
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| 15:20.41 | Lur | hey |
| 15:20.48 | antgel | jefe486: you knew the bad tutorial when you read it. |
| 15:20.55 | witless | antgel: how can i determine its package? |
| 15:20.57 | Makki | Hey, where can I find the .config for the kernel on the debian installer ? |
| 15:21.01 | jefe486 | antgel: and if it bothers you so much, don't answer the question |
| 15:21.01 | nono31 | I have a HP-laserjet-1020 on a windows xp computer and shared. I installed cups, I try to print to this printer... windows xp receive the request, receive the data, send it to print... But it just print a blank page! please help... |
| 15:21.05 | antgel | !tell witless about apt-file |
| 15:21.10 | Eulex | Makki, /boot/config-version |
| 15:21.17 | witless | thx |
| 15:21.26 | antgel | jefe486: but i wanted to. |
| 15:21.26 | jonaskoelker | My hotplug correctly detects that I have a HP laserjet 1320 on my parport. It can print its testing page (by pressing a button on the printer), but all print jobs show up in cups as cancelled. I don't have any leads on where to go or what diagnostics to run--anyone got a helpful piece of advice? |
| 15:21.28 | Lur | I have a file I wanna launch in wine |
| 15:21.37 | Lur | but it is a two-word file name |
| 15:21.37 | Makki | Eulex: It isn't on the standard installer CD ... |
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| 15:21.51 | Lur | so I cannot run it from command line |
| 15:21.52 | Makki | Eulex: And my other debian machines have a custom kernel on it. |
| 15:21.59 | antgel | Lur: put it in quotes? |
| 15:22.00 | libertine | i want to compile linux kernel 2.6.12.5,who can tell me how do it |
| 15:22.07 | Eulex | Makki, ah, sorry, missed that you said installer |
| 15:22.07 | Makki | Eulex: I want to compile a driver for that kernel. |
| 15:22.15 | Lur | so wine "filename.exe"? |
| 15:22.22 | jefe486 | antgel: and I appreciated it. I just didn't/don't have the time to rummage through garbage tutorials. I wanted a suggestion. And yes, I know what google is, and I did use to, and I found several tutorials. |
| 15:22.31 | jefe486 | none of which would suffice |
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| 15:22.47 | zinx | Lur: amusingly, in Debian you can run the .exe directly, thanks to binfmt_misc |
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| 15:23.02 | Lur | huh? |
| 15:23.10 | drc | is there other pdf format viewers than gpdf? I would install it but I need a lot of other packages and unfortunately not enough space for them ;P |
| 15:23.11 | Lur | what is binfmt_misc |
| 15:23.15 | zinx | Lur: magic |
| 15:23.25 | drc | are there* |
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| 15:23.32 | Eulex | drc, xpdf, evince |
| 15:23.36 | pjz | Lur: it's basically a magic dispatcher |
| 15:23.40 | Lur | harry potter magic, or voodoo |
| 15:23.45 | greycat | a generalization of the old java program launcher |
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| 15:23.54 | pjz | Lur: it's mostly just sufficiently complex :) |
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| 15:23.59 | fred87 | anyone here who uses jigdo-file? |
| 15:24.06 | drc | Eulex: Ok, let's see |
| 15:24.07 | antgel | !telll chris about php |
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| 15:24.09 | drc | Eulex: thanks, btw |
| 15:24.11 | asx | nono31, http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1020 |
| 15:24.20 | pjz | !tell pjz about php |
| 15:24.21 | antgel | !tell chris about php |
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| 15:24.32 | Lur | well, the quote thing worked. thanks |
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| 15:24.47 | Trace | Hello, does anyone know how to map utf-16 in linux? for example, 0x0090--> a character. |
| 15:25.01 | tarzeau | Trace: using recode ? |
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| 15:25.18 | pjz | apt, php is the vb of the unix world |
| 15:25.18 | apt | ...but php is already something else... |
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| 15:25.39 | Trace | tarzeau, what do you mean? |
| 15:25.41 | srid | any better way than this? http://www.livejournal.com/users/seedar/18568.html |
| 15:25.45 | tarzeau | Trace: apt-get install recode |
| 15:25.50 | srid | I am not getting identified automatically |
| 15:26.14 | s_ward | pjz: PHP might be bad, but it's not _that_ bad :) |
| 15:26.30 | antgel | pjz: that's crazy talk |
| 15:26.30 | Ungy | wow I didn't know there was a maximum amount of buddies that I could have in my buddy list |
| 15:26.40 | pjz | s_ward: well, sure, nothing in the unix world is as bad as the windows world :) |
| 15:26.47 | nono31 | asx: thx for the link but I already read that... no relevant information there more than I have... I got cups, the hp1020.ppd... but it prints blank... and I don't know why... :-( |
| 15:26.53 | pjz | Ungy: take off those girls you're stalking |
| 15:27.01 | Ungy | pjz married |
| 15:27.03 | PerfDave | srid: Run an SSH server on port 80 or 443, tunnel IRC over SSH via an IRC proxy (I use irssi) on your home system? |
| 15:27.09 | finn | where are fonts stored by default? |
| 15:27.09 | pjz | Ungy: so definitely take them off! |
| 15:27.10 | Ungy | pjz over 200 work contacts |
| 15:27.16 | mfrisch | nono31 got the latest hpijs |
| 15:27.33 | pjz | Ungy: ah. I suggest jabber. |
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| 15:27.58 | Ungy | pjz hmm that woudl require work from me and to get tehm to use jabber |
| 15:27.58 | pjz | Ungy: well, I would if debian's jabber server didn't seem to mostly suck rocks |
| 15:28.10 | pjz | Ungy: enh, gateways work okay |
| 15:28.18 | finn | anybody? |
| 15:28.27 | antgel | !tell finn about fonts |
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| 15:28.35 | Trace | tarzeau, but how to use it? i want to know 0x0090 to map which character in UTF-16 |
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| 15:28.45 | Lee__ | jefe486: look here. http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ this is what I followed for my first .deb |
| 15:29.01 | PerfDave | Jabber is very useful for internal IM services in particular, but also as a general IM system. |
| 15:29.02 | tarzeau | Trace: really man recode, or google |
| 15:29.10 | nono31 | mfrisch: from debian sid? |
| 15:29.17 | jefe486 | Lee__ thanks |
| 15:29.26 | pjz | PerfDave: is there' a good frontend to manage user accounts and the like? |
| 15:29.31 | Trace | tarzeau, thx!!anyway. :-) |
| 15:29.43 | pjz | PerfDave: I haven't really found one, and maintaining it all manually doesn't appeal |
| 15:29.44 | PerfDave | pjz: Uhm, you do it through your jabber client. |
| 15:29.46 | tarzeau | pjz: zeah it's called zsh |
| 15:29.47 | mysurfguide | in kde, there is kuser isnt there? |
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| 15:29.57 | jefe486 | and thats what I'm talking about. There are so many ways to find something on debian.org and its all so confusing for a beginner... |
| 15:30.12 | Makki | pffffffffffff |
| 15:30.15 | mfrisch | nono31 sourceforge site has 1.7. sid was 1.4, which printer is it? |
| 15:30.15 | pjz | PerfDave: Uhm, not if you want to sync it up with, say, an LDAP server or something |
| 15:30.16 | Lee__ | jefe486: cause it's all about experimentation. the project is kind of huge. |
| 15:30.17 | PerfDave | Heven forbid that documentation should all be on http://www.debian.org/doc/ ! |
| 15:30.34 | Makki | Does anybody know here how to build a driver for the standard debian installer kernel ? |
| 15:30.40 | pjz | PerfDave: or even just have some kind of manual interface for account creation |
| 15:30.40 | Lee__ | heaven forbid indeed |
| 15:30.52 | PerfDave | pjz: Then you don't need a frontend to manage user accounts, surely, you just do it through your existing LDAP server interface. |
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| 15:31.00 | moret | hi all |
| 15:31.19 | moret | I need find a file in my system |
| 15:31.36 | PerfDave | moret: find, locate |
| 15:31.37 | abrotman | moret: updatedb;locate <file> |
| 15:31.45 | moret | the file must be between 690M and 699M |
| 15:31.48 | fred87 | nm found my problem |
| 15:31.52 | greycat | moret: man find |
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| 15:31.54 | moret | but I don't know how use find |
| 15:31.56 | nono31 | mfrisch: laserjet 1020 |
| 15:31.57 | abrotman | moret: then use find |
| 15:32.01 | moret | find -size 690M . . . |
| 15:32.04 | abrotman | moret: man find |
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| 15:32.12 | greycat | don't guess. |
| 15:32.14 | abrotman | moret: how did you lose an iso? |
| 15:32.16 | riot | Hi. |
| 15:32.17 | moret | i read man find |
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| 15:32.25 | greycat | study it more slowly. |
| 15:32.26 | moret | abrotman: no, a avi file |
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| 15:32.36 | nono31 | mfrisch: hpijs is used even on network print? what is it used for? |
| 15:32.39 | pjz | so is there a better soln to managing the packagelists on a heap of machines than just making a dummy package with a big Depends: list ? |
| 15:32.40 | greycat | moret: and "locate .avi" didn't see it? |
| 15:32.57 | zinx | nono31: for talking to the printer... it's the printer driver.. |
| 15:33.07 | PerfDave | pjz: Uhm, cfengine? Replicator? |
| 15:33.07 | riot | Why is my ippp0 gone, after i updated from 2.4.25 to 2.6.8? I first had troubles getting even isdnctrl back (with an avm a1-pci-card) but thats up now. |
| 15:33.08 | moret | greycat: no, because I recovered the file via reiserfsck and the file has not the same name... |
| 15:33.10 | dogmeat | for bash, what do i use instead of alias? |
| 15:33.20 | dogmeat | alias ought to be there, no? |
| 15:33.22 | pjz | dogmeat: alias works okay |
| 15:33.25 | pjz | dogmeat: man bash |
| 15:33.28 | abrotman | moret: you mean you pirated a movie? |
| 15:33.31 | nono31 | zinx: And I need it even ton network print? |
| 15:33.33 | srid | PerfDave: this is not home system, but company network |
| 15:33.36 | moret | and I need specify only this, between 690 and 699 |
| 15:33.45 | PerfDave | srid: Yes, I know. |
| 15:33.46 | moret | abrotman: I download a avi file |
| 15:33.47 | abrotman | moret: man find |
| 15:33.53 | mfrisch | nono31 its the ppd files, my hp is a deskjet 3845 but the 3840 ppd works, have you tried any other drivers? |
| 15:33.59 | zinx | nono31: yes, *nix doesn't play the whole "omg SURE you can have raw access to the printer!!!11111" thing |
| 15:33.59 | moret | abrotman: I read man find!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:34.05 | srid | could I connect freenode.net through ssh port? |
| 15:34.07 | greycat | well read it again!!!!!!!! |
| 15:34.07 | abrotman | moret: oh .. it's in there |
| 15:34.08 | srid | PerfDave: |
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| 15:34.26 | nono31 | mfrisch: I got 2 hpijs: hpijs and foomatic-db-hpijs |
| 15:34.29 | PerfDave | srid: No, read what I said. Run an IRC proxy on your home system, and an SSH server. Connect to your home system from your work system over SSH. Tunnel IRC over SSH. |
| 15:34.32 | s_ward | Oh no.. it's the invasion of the '!'s!!!!!!! |
| 15:34.32 | moret | find -size 690M ! |
| 15:34.39 | abrotman | no |
| 15:34.43 | greycat | ESPECIALLY read the part where it says "Numeric arguments can be specified as" |
| 15:34.46 | abrotman | read it .. again |
| 15:34.47 | moret | but I need like |
| 15:34.52 | srid | PerfDave: I dont have home system, I have only laptop, that I use at work |
| 15:34.56 | abrotman | !smack moret |
| 15:34.56 | greycat | !breastfeed moret |
| 15:34.59 | moret | find -size 690-699M |
| 15:35.00 | nono31 | mfrisch: mfrisch tried all the "similar" ppd files |
| 15:35.04 | PerfDave | srid: Then it sucks to be you. |
| 15:35.09 | greycat | moret: ever heard of the word AND? |
| 15:35.15 | abrotman | moret: read the damn man page .. it's right at the top .. it tells you how to specify values |
| 15:35.16 | moret | thanks however... |
| 15:35.16 | jonaskoelker | moret: you need a LART |
| 15:35.22 | moret | by |
| 15:35.24 | jonaskoelker | or rather, LARTing |
| 15:35.24 | moret | bye |
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| 15:35.27 | srid | PerfDave: in my country internet at 1 GB transfer per month is not cheap |
| 15:35.27 | mfrisch | nono31 you used a real driver appossed to a generic ppd? |
| 15:35.29 | nono31 | mfrisch: especially the one that are exactly for my printer |
| 15:35.35 | abrotman | !be a reading barbie |
| 15:35.35 | PerfDave | srid: IRC doesn't take much bandwidth. |
| 15:35.35 | dpkg | Aww, reading is hard! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
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| 15:35.45 | greycat | !be man page barbie |
| 15:35.48 | greycat | hmm. |
| 15:35.57 | srid | PerfDave: ok, here even ssh port is blocked |
| 15:36.00 | abrotman | !be a man page barbie |
| 15:36.01 | dpkg | Aww, man page is hard! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 15:36.07 | greycat | !be manpage barbie |
| 15:36.07 | dpkg | *roff is HARD! Let's use texinfo! |
| 15:36.17 | jonaskoelker | !be a fucking barbie |
| 15:36.18 | dpkg | Aww, fucking is hard! Let's go shopping, jonaskoelker |
| 15:36.19 | PerfDave | srid: And like I already said, you can run SSH on whatever port you want. |
| 15:36.21 | jonaskoelker | :-) |
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| 15:36.33 | jonaskoelker | (prolly' seen before, but I just had to) |
| 15:36.43 | PerfDave | srid: If you can't do something like that, then the setup you already have is probably about the best you can manage. |
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| 15:36.55 | jk|45 | iam trying to download debian |
| 15:36.59 | mfrisch | nono31 is it networked? |
| 15:37.01 | PerfDave | srid: Just bear in mind that all your IRC private conversations etc. can be seen by whoever's running your IRC to Jabber gateway |
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| 15:37.04 | jk|45 | but i get to see 1-14 iso images |
| 15:37.09 | jk|45 | do i have to d/l all of them |
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| 15:37.19 | abrotman | jk|45: you have broadband ? |
| 15:37.22 | PerfDave | jk|45: Read the Installation Manual, it will tell you what you need to download. |
| 15:37.35 | nono31 | mfrisch: yes. it is installed on a windows xp machine |
| 15:37.36 | Lee__ | jk|45: with broadband you can download most of the OS from the internet |
| 15:37.54 | mfrisch | nono31 AAH! |
| 15:37.54 | zinx | jk|45: no |
| 15:37.55 | jk|45 | im using ftp |
| 15:38.03 | jk|45 | to ftp.ticklers.org |
| 15:38.03 | abrotman | jk|45: do you have broadband ? |
| 15:38.05 | jk|45 | ya |
| 15:38.06 | zinx | jk|45: download the business CD or netinst CD |
| 15:38.13 | srid | PerfDave: thanks for the suggestions |
| 15:38.13 | abrotman | !d-i jk|45 |
| 15:38.14 | dpkg | jk|45, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:38.14 | jk|45 | what is business cd |
| 15:38.15 | PerfDave | !full CD advocacy |
| 15:38.15 | dpkg | i heard full cd advocacy is you can download the images while using your computer for something else, but you can't use your computer while Debian is netinstalling. It takes a full desktop install down to under half an hour from a couple of hours, even on ADSL. A full CD image will also have kernel source in case of problems. but only download the first cd, you greedy bastard. maybe a good reason to have more than one computer |
| 15:38.15 | abrotman | !ig |
| 15:38.15 | dpkg | somebody said ig was for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 15:38.26 | riot | what modules are necessary to have an ippp0-device (apart from hardware and hisax)? |
| 15:38.39 | nono31 | mfrisch: "AAH!" :-( means won't work??? |
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| 15:38.46 | sombra | When I open gmplayer I get: Error! New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf). where is it |
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| 15:38.51 | jk|45 | <dpkg>: get those 14 iso again |
| 15:38.52 | PerfDave | jk|45: If you read the Installation Manual, it will tell you what your options are for installing Debian, funnily enough. It will let you make up your own mind what you need, rather than relying on the opinion of random people on IRC. |
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| 15:39.03 | mfrisch | nono31 no...give me a sec |
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| 15:41.00 | mfrisch | nono31 are you using the windows device name in cups, its the last option. Do you have any other shares working from the 'Doz box? |
| 15:42.13 | sombra | where is subfont.ttf for mplayer? |
| 15:42.38 | nono31 | mfrisch: using windows share name in cups (share name is HP-ADEM) There is shares (directories...), and I can access no problem |
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| 15:43.51 | ricky_clarkson | [OT] a modem when dialling out seems to connect fine, you can hear noises, but all the time there's something like an engaged (busy) tone too, and the software never actually connects. Any suggestions? |
| 15:44.08 | antgel | crossed line? |
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| 15:44.16 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: How would I know? |
| 15:44.27 | ricky_clarkson | The landline on the same line works fine. |
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| 15:44.33 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: just a guess. |
| 15:44.49 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: that was my next question. :) |
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| 15:46.40 | sn00p | hello? |
| 15:46.45 | jim__ | hello |
| 15:46.45 | x-Al1gma | hello jim__ |
| 15:46.54 | sn00p | someone here to help me? |
| 15:46.58 | greycat | !ask |
| 15:46.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask a question, or ask if people use something. Your question is being answered by a volunteer; make it easy for volunteers to give you an answer. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:47.04 | jim__ | We'll try, what's up? |
| 15:47.08 | zinx | sn00p: no. we're here to help anyone. |
| 15:47.10 | sn00p | ^^ |
| 15:47.10 | mfrisch | nono31 maybe the ppd needs updating. I am at a loss, but thats my best answer. |
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| 15:47.35 | sn00p | tkx ... it's just that others chans u get kickt asking something ^^ |
| 15:47.54 | jim__ | Nah dude, what's going on... We'll try to help you if we can. |
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| 15:48.18 | greycat | !guidelines |
| 15:48.18 | dpkg | 1) read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. (2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question.4) Read docs: (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots. See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam., if |
| 15:48.21 | sn00p | i just can't add i-net mirrors in debian pakage-don't-now-how-to-call-it-atp |
| 15:48.23 | nono31 | mfrisch: I'm trying to get a newer ppd... there is no ppd for my printer in hpijs 1.7.1... what is the difference between foomatic-db-hpijs and simple hpijs ? |
| 15:48.30 | greycat | sn00p: run apt-setup |
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| 15:48.43 | sn00p | I'll try |
| 15:49.42 | mfrisch | nono31 foomatic is used with cups its like filters, not needed |
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| 15:49.53 | sn00p | ok ... and i thougt that i have to ad manualy in sources.list |
| 15:49.59 | sn00p | ^^ |
| 15:50.04 | rosminet | hello |
| 15:50.05 | x-Al1gma | hello rosminet |
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| 15:50.22 | cadu | hello |
| 15:50.23 | x-Al1gma | hello cadu |
| 15:50.31 | sn00p | next thing |
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| 15:50.53 | sn00p | my x-server/gnome only runs under resolution 800x600 |
| 15:51.01 | cadu | how do i change fonts permanently in console ? (setting console font on tty{1.2.3.4.5.6} upon booting) |
| 15:51.02 | Eulex | !drxx sn00p |
| 15:51.03 | dpkg | sn00p: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:51.27 | sn00p | xmd5??? |
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| 15:51.49 | Vladi | hi, im getting a suspicios INFECTED PORTS: 600 when i run chkrootkit and when i run netstat i shows rpc.mountd on that port |
| 15:51.58 | Lee__ | how's the x.org backport working out for everyone? |
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| 15:51.59 | kneet | sn00p - try /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 15:52.06 | PerfDave | sn00p: Type this into your IRC / chat program: "/msg dpkg x md5sum" |
| 15:52.18 | PerfDave | Lee__: I'm not using it, it's working fine ;) |
| 15:52.24 | Lee__ | same here |
| 15:52.44 | rosminet | I have a probleme with my amd64 sarge + sata hard disks ... they are "slow to respond" and I can't access them ... anybody has an idea to solve my problem ? |
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| 15:53.18 | Eulex | rosminet, define "can't access them" |
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| 15:54.14 | cadu | PerfectDave: how do i change the console font permanently ? |
| 15:54.23 | cadu | PerfDave: (that it'll be changed upon booting) |
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| 15:54.36 | sn00p | mit dieser metode kreig ich aber nicht alle pakages, richtig? |
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| 15:54.39 | mfrisch | cadu vga= at boot is drastic |
| 15:54.39 | PerfDave | cadu: Why are you asking me? If I knew, I'd tell you when you asked your question to the channel. |
| 15:54.48 | sn00p | was is wenn ich z.b. sim installen will |
| 15:54.48 | PerfDave | !de |
| 15:54.48 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 15:54.55 | sn00p | ups ... sorry |
| 15:55.03 | asx | nono31, /var/log/cups/error.log are there error messages ? |
| 15:55.03 | rio_ | hi |
| 15:55.10 | rio_ | i got a question |
| 15:55.14 | Eulex | !tell cadu about nicktab |
| 15:55.15 | rio_ | i have a repository |
| 15:55.16 | rosminet | Eulex ... during boot I have the message "ata 1 (and 2) is slow to respond, please be patient", and after en other message, and I can't mount the disks |
| 15:55.24 | sn00p | with this i don't get all pakages possible, or? |
| 15:55.29 | rio_ | and it gives me an error |
| 15:55.30 | rio_ | : |
| 15:55.39 | rio_ | W: GPG error: http://rioken.homelinux.net ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8541536D9FAB77BC |
| 15:55.47 | cadu | mfrisch: at boot i've put vga=6 and my console got screwed when debian changed the font |
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| 15:55.49 | PerfDave | sn00p: Define "all packages possible". If you use apt-setup it will set you up with the main Debian repositories. |
| 15:55.55 | rio_ | how i can verify it? |
| 15:55.57 | PerfDave | rio_: You're using sid? |
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| 15:56.00 | PerfDave | rio_: /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 15:56.02 | Eulex | sn00p, with what? |
| 15:56.14 | cadu | Eulex: ahahah :) i was kidding |
| 15:56.21 | rio_ | PerfDave yes, unstable |
| 15:56.29 | sn00p | jey ... what if I'd like to install sim or other progs |
| 15:56.29 | cadu | Eulex: or my tab completion is surely broken for completing PerfDave as PerfectDave :) |
| 15:56.33 | robewald | hi, while trying to retrieve mail with getmail4, it always gets killed does anybody know how I can debug this? |
| 15:56.36 | mfrisch | cadu 791 is 800x600 |
| 15:56.46 | cadu | mfrisch: no framebuffer |
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| 15:56.49 | robewald | besides -v and --trace |
| 15:56.53 | rio_ | PerfDave he doesn't reply :) |
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| 15:57.08 | PerfDave | sn00p: If they're not available in Debian, you'll either need to add Debian-compatiable repositories for them, or install them through some non-apt method. |
| 15:57.10 | rio_ | "he" ... it... |
| 15:57.21 | drfoomod2 | i need to kill every instance of a given program running. how do I seperate just the pid from a ps that I can use in a bash for loop? |
| 15:57.22 | mfrisch | cadu google vga-modes |
| 15:57.33 | sn00p | how do i do the first method |
| 15:57.39 | cahoot | drfoomod2: pgrep? |
| 15:57.43 | Eulex | rio_, eh, it's /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 15:57.45 | drfoomod2 | oh? |
| 15:57.46 | s_ward | rio_: apt secure (no hyphen) |
| 15:57.52 | PerfDave | drfoomod2: With awk |
| 15:57.57 | rio_ | :D |
| 15:58.14 | drfoomod2 | cahoot: ooooooh, nice. tx. |
| 15:58.15 | Eulex | mfrisch, framebuffer resolution != font |
| 15:58.19 | PerfDave | sn00p: You'll need to add non-Debian repositories to your sources.list by hand; apt-setup only handles Debian repositories. |
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| 15:58.42 | drfoomod2 | inetd keeps launching new instances of hotwayd without the previous instance dieing |
| 15:59.08 | cadu | mfrisch: no framebuffer in my kernel man ;) |
| 15:59.09 | greycat | and that's a problem because...? |
| 15:59.21 | cadu | mfrisch: i've disabled it, problems with nvidia driver :) |
| 15:59.21 | sn00p | jej ... i did it earlyer but it din't work -.... maybe someone can help? |
| 15:59.30 | sn00p | PerfDafe? |
| 15:59.33 | drfoomod2 | greycat: because eventually the system runs out of filehandles and locks up |
| 15:59.34 | sn00p | PerfDave? |
| 15:59.35 | greycat | the whole *point* of inetd is to launch umpteen different instances of a daemon, one per TCP connection |
| 15:59.47 | greycat | if you need to throttle it down, use tcpserver or xinetd |
| 15:59.47 | PerfDave | sn00p: What do you mean, "it didn't work"? |
| 16:00.11 | Eulex | if hotwayd doesn't die -- well, that's hotwayd's fault |
| 16:00.12 | sn00p | PerfDave:don't now ... maybe wrong syntax? |
| 16:00.16 | mfrisch | cadu I thought something else. |
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| 16:00.32 | drfoomod2 | Eulex: well, 0.8.2 is installed and there is a 0.8.3 that may fix this issue |
| 16:00.35 | PerfDave | sn00p: Well, how do you expect me to know? I'm not a mind reader! Why don't you tell us what you did, and what errors you got when you did it? |
| 16:00.41 | nono31 | asx: wrote private |
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| 16:01.28 | nono31 | mfrisch: with foomatic, I got the printer to print a blank page... with hpijs driver (1005 as said in linuxprinting.org) it just block the printer... seems to have it in the pool, try to start print (noise) and just stop... need to cancel and stop the printer |
| 16:01.48 | Eulex | !topicsmite nono31 |
| 16:01.49 | Optic | hey, i have a quick question... what's the simplest (command-line) method of changing mixer settings? |
| 16:01.49 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon nono31. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 16:02.12 | Eulex | Optic, aumix/setmixer? |
| 16:02.25 | sn00p | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050607)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 16:02.25 | sn00p | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 16:02.25 | sn00p | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/proposed-updates/ contrib main non-free |
| 16:02.25 | sn00p | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian3.1r0/ contrib main non-free |
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| 16:02.38 | p30n | hey |
| 16:02.41 | Optic | thanks, eulex. nothing in the default install? |
| 16:03.00 | mfrisch | nono31 I am at a loss, |
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| 16:03.09 | p30n | question: how do i know what /dev/ me usb-hdd is connected to? what file can i cat to see the most recently plugged in drive ? |
| 16:03.18 | Eulex | Optic, there's alsamixer, but that's curses-based |
| 16:03.30 | greycat | p30n: if linux weren't ass-stupid, it would be in dmesg(8) |
| 16:04.09 | sn00p | PerfDave ... can i PM u? |
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| 16:04.16 | PerfDave | sn00p: I'd rather you didn't. |
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| 16:04.23 | Optic | setmixer is perfect |
| 16:04.23 | Optic | thanks |
| 16:04.28 | Eulex | sn00p, read the topic? |
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| 16:04.36 | PerfDave | sn00p: If you wan to paste things, /msg dpkg paster |
| 16:04.43 | sn00p | !topc |
| 16:04.46 | sn00p | !topic |
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| 16:04.53 | p30n | greycat: ok thats /var/log/dmesg then? what should i look for there ? |
| 16:05.11 | sn00p | lol ... u all funny |
| 16:05.17 | Eulex | Optic, hehe, yw, yep, setmixer is cool |
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| 16:05.23 | bitshifty | hello |
| 16:05.23 | x-Al1gma | hello bitshifty |
| 16:05.34 | Optic | i'm used to mixerctl in *bsd ;) |
| 16:05.39 | Optic | little things are different in linux |
| 16:05.46 | Eulex | x-Al1gma, please turn of that autogreet |
| 16:06.09 | bitshifty | i just downloaded the debian minimal install image and burned it to disc, but for some reason my computer will not boot from the disc |
| 16:06.14 | rio_ | ok, i understand how to trust in other archives |
| 16:06.15 | greycat | p30n: you should look for The Missing Clue and give it to the nearest Linux kernel hacker you find. And give him a swift kick, too, while you're at it. |
| 16:06.16 | bitshifty | even after i set the bios to do so. |
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| 16:06.21 | rio_ | but how i can sign mine? |
| 16:06.26 | PerfDave | bitshifty: How did you burn it to disk? |
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| 16:06.42 | p30n | greycat: woote? |
| 16:06.45 | greycat | p30n: the point is, there's NOTHING you can look at to find this out any more. They took away all the normal Unix sanity and they're replacing it with DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT SPECIFIC shit like udev/hal. |
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| 16:06.58 | sn00p | ok ... can someone tell me how to add non-supported pakeges to apt plz ... |
| 16:07.02 | rio_ | my Release.gpg is not verified... |
| 16:07.06 | greycat | sn00p: with a text editor. |
| 16:07.14 | PerfDave | sn00p: Put them in /etc/apt/sources.list by hand |
| 16:07.17 | drfoomod2 | what is the best application to use to shrink and then split a partition? |
| 16:07.25 | justin | greycat: uh, you don't need udev and hal, and dmesg still works |
| 16:07.29 | p30n | greycat: so how do i know what /dev/sd_ to work with then? i need to partition and format the disk as it is brand new... |
| 16:07.29 | bitshifty | i burned it as an image |
| 16:07.42 | Lee__ | drfoomod2: if you have a GUI and QT, qtparted |
| 16:07.42 | justin | p30n: ffs use fdisk -l |
| 16:07.58 | Eulex | rio_, did you read section 5 of http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/? |
| 16:08.07 | p30n | thx' |
| 16:08.10 | drfoomod2 | Lee__: can I do that while booted from that volume> |
| 16:08.11 | drfoomod2 | ? |
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| 16:08.12 | rio_ | yes |
| 16:08.21 | douglas | pound debian baby! |
| 16:08.30 | Lee__ | drfoomod2: of course not. |
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| 16:08.41 | drfoomod2 | Lee__: i figuired as much |
| 16:08.44 | justin | greycat: not that udev and stuff work too well, but the alternative never worked properly at all.. hardcoding /dev/sda1 into fstab works for a while, until something changes and it ends up on /dev/sdb1 instead |
| 16:08.50 | Lee__ | how would anyone be able to resize a partition from the disk the program is running from? |
| 16:08.51 | drfoomod2 | Lee__ would I need to boot from some sort of live distro? |
| 16:09.00 | Lee__ | drfoomod2: /join #knoppix |
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| 16:09.08 | Lee__ | or get another disk. |
| 16:09.12 | Thanatermesis | how to load a script in the next boot of the system ONLY the first time ? (similar to after the first part of the instalation of debian)= |
| 16:09.16 | rio_ | and now how i create my verified Release.gpg? |
| 16:09.26 | greycat | justin: but at least a competent user-admin could plug in the device, read dmesg, see what had been allocated by the kernel, and use that. |
| 16:09.40 | greycat | justin: granted, it sucked for automation, but the current solution doesn't work either. |
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| 16:09.45 | justin | greycat: that still works now |
| 16:10.03 | sn00p | greycat, PerfDave : this i now ... i did put the adress and at the end the directories, but i don't know whitch directory is this with unsupportet files |
| 16:10.03 | greycat | justin: they put the new device announcement back in dmesg? |
| 16:10.16 | greycat | sn00p: apt-get update |
| 16:10.22 | justin | greycat: when did they ever remove it? |
| 16:10.23 | douglas | read dmesg .. sounds like some rastaman abbreviating things |
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| 16:10.33 | sn00p | greycat : i did this |
| 16:10.43 | dabaR | hi. Is invoke-rc.d server restart the prefered way, or perhaps the only way to restart a server in Debian? |
| 16:10.54 | greycat | let's find out. |
| 16:11.03 | greycat | p30n: did your USB mass storage device appear in dmesg(8) or not? |
| 16:11.14 | douglas | sn00p: s n double 0 p, baby! high five! |
| 16:11.16 | greycat | sn00p: apt-cache search whatever |
| 16:11.19 | justin | greycat: well if his USB is broken completely it won't show up |
| 16:11.45 | rio_ | intead of saying me rtfm someone can tell me steps to create a verified Release.gpg? |
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| 16:12.20 | Thanatermesis | greycat, any idea? you knows this, Im sure ;) |
| 16:12.20 | Joyrider | dabaR: yes, invoke-rc.d is the recommended way to run initscripts |
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| 16:13.36 | antgel | Thanatermesis: create a file on install. then if that file exists, run the script. then delete the file. |
| 16:14.09 | sn00p | douglas ??? |
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| 16:14.20 | drfoomod2 | Lee__: I assume 'parted' works just as well? |
| 16:14.23 | douglas | boo yah! |
| 16:14.36 | rio_ | bah |
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| 16:14.56 | Thanatermesis | antgel, its permited to delete one script if are using in this moments ? |
| 16:15.02 | cahoot | Optic: man amix (if alsa) |
| 16:15.04 | Thanatermesis | a script to delete this script |
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| 16:15.16 | Technel | Does anyone know what package bundled with KDE can be used for turning up the sound? I know GNOME has Nautilus... |
| 16:15.34 | douglas | you mean pump up the volume? |
| 16:15.45 | ricky_clarkson | Technel: aumix is for any DE. |
| 16:15.57 | justin | Technel: nautilus is a filemanager, and has nothing to do with sound |
| 16:16.05 | douglas | Technel: bang the base, turn up the trebble? |
| 16:16.10 | Technel | I meant Alsamixer, sorry |
| 16:16.29 | justin | !tell Technel about search |
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| 16:16.41 | ricky_clarkson | Technel: alsamixer is for any DE. |
| 16:17.02 | Technel | ricky_clarkson: "gnome-alsamixer - ALSA sound mixer for GNOME" |
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| 16:17.22 | s_ward | Heck.. gnome-alsamixer is for any DE! |
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| 16:17.39 | Technel | justin: apt-cache search sound gets a ton of results |
| 16:17.46 | s_ward | You don't need the whole of gnome to run it |
| 16:17.50 | s_ward | alsamixergui - graphical soundcard mixer for ALSA soundcard driver |
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| 16:17.54 | cbr | is there any way to see which packages have lately been added to the debian repos? kinda like packages.gentoo.org does? |
| 16:18.14 | justin | Technel: maybe you shouldn't search for just "sound" then? |
| 16:18.22 | paolo__ | How can i run a specific function of a bash script (and not the whole script)? |
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| 16:18.34 | antgel | paolo__: #bash |
| 16:18.36 | Technel | s_ward: "gnome-alsamixer" crashes when I try to do anything in it |
| 16:18.37 | ricky_clarkson | s_ward: I've used alsamixer, not the gnome-alsamixer package. |
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| 16:18.57 | Joyrider | cbr: debian weekly news has a roundup of new packages in sid if that's what you mean |
| 16:19.08 | cbr | Joyrider: where |
| 16:19.16 | Petrov | my resolution is 600 by 800 how can i change to 1152 by 864? |
| 16:19.18 | TiTAN_pi8 | hello, i have got a problem. when doing debuild i get this error: "gpg: skipped "root <root@filebox>": secret key not available' |
| 16:19.19 | Joyrider | cbr: http://www.nl.debian.org/News/weekly/current/issue/ |
| 16:19.21 | douglas | what do you do when no one at your office seems to be aware that you, a new hire, have no pending tasks? ... I put up a bunch of terminals to my box with green on black schemes, one doing top, another tail -fing the access log, another perhaps listening to what /dev/random has to say .. |
| 16:19.22 | s_ward | Technel: use alsamixergui then |
| 16:19.24 | cbr | Joyrider: but nothing that changes in realtime? |
| 16:19.28 | Technel | s_ward: Crashes as well :) |
| 16:19.31 | Joyrider | cbr: also there is an RSS feed on p.d.o somewhere, i think |
| 16:19.46 | Technel | s_ward: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 16:19.49 | s_ward | Technel: Sounds like something's messed up along the line somewhere |
| 16:19.51 | petemc | douglas: use you initiative to find something to do |
| 16:20.10 | douglas | peterS: you mean pop some adderall? |
| 16:20.14 | Technel | s_ward: The sound is fine, it works fine in WinXP, and on Slackware (where alsamixer is pre-installed) it works fine as well |
| 16:20.15 | s_ward | Technel: Have you tried reconfiguring sound? |
| 16:20.18 | douglas | petemc: |
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| 16:20.21 | Technel | s_ward: How? |
| 16:20.42 | petemc | douglas: i dont know what adderall is, but i dont think i do - make yourself useful |
| 16:20.46 | Joyrider | douglas: waste your time chatting on IRC or reading slashdot or some other website (in lynx, if you have to look busy) |
| 16:20.52 | TiTAN_pi8 | anyone have some experience with gnupg? |
| 16:21.31 | PerfDave | TiTAN_pi8: Some, but it looks like you've got a debuild problem, not a gpg one |
| 16:21.35 | douglas | Joyrider: Brilliant. Lynx.. and ansi enabled bitchxing |
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| 16:21.40 | s_ward | Technel: with alsaconf |
| 16:21.52 | petemc | douglas: im glad you're not working for me... |
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| 16:22.45 | TiTAN_pi8 | PerfDave, mmh |
| 16:22.53 | cbr | Joyrider: yeah found it, nothing comparable with the interface of p.g.o though :p |
| 16:22.53 | TiTAN_pi8 | anyone got some experience with debuild? |
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| 16:23.08 | douglas | petemc: can't change the content on a website without having been given final drafts of content that i'm not exactly authorized to create |
| 16:23.12 | Technel | s_ward: Great, thanks |
| 16:23.24 | sn00p | hello again |
| 16:23.31 | douglas | stop busting my balls |
| 16:23.48 | Technel | Can anyone tell me again what the command is to save alsamixer configuration? |
| 16:23.56 | andi5 | alsactl store |
| 16:23.57 | s_ward | Technel: alsactl |
| 16:23.59 | sn00p | so the unsupported file for debian 3.1's name is? |
| 16:24.04 | sn00p | woddy? |
| 16:24.07 | Technel | s_ward: Yeah, that was it -- thanks |
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| 16:24.12 | smhar | I did an apt-get update , apt-get upgrade last night and for the first tiem I had errors and upgrade didn't finish .. it just downloaded and unpacked the archive but stopped at configuration.. and now I want to do an apt-get install program and I see the errors |
| 16:24.15 | sn00p | no ... it's for 3.0 right= |
| 16:24.43 | justin | !tell smhar about specifics |
| 16:24.44 | PerfDave | sn00p: Woody is the codename for Debian 3.0, Sarge is the codename for Debian 3.1 |
| 16:24.47 | smhar | errors in : libstdc++5, libstdc++5-3.3-dev and g++-3.3 |
| 16:24.53 | douglas | slow yo role sn00p and lay back in the cut |
| 16:25.08 | Thanatermesis | how to load a script in the next boot of the system ONLY the first time ? (similar to after the first part of the instalation of debian) more ideas ? delete the same file of are launched after the works its good ? |
| 16:25.12 | sn00p | so it's sarge |
| 16:25.14 | sn00p | ? |
| 16:25.28 | PerfDave | sn00p: If you're running Debian 3.1, you're running Sarge, yes. |
| 16:25.41 | greycat | Thanatermesis: you were told. |
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| 16:25.51 | smhar | justin, I know I justwanted to break the long post into two :-) the details are there |
| 16:25.53 | sn00p | lol ... ok |
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| 16:26.02 | douglas | sn00p: peep your sources.list to be safe, yo. |
| 16:26.14 | smhar | ohh and it is a debian testing |
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| 16:27.22 | justin | smhar: no, you gave no useful information at all |
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| 16:27.30 | smhar | and there is another line saying 3 not fully installed or removed. now how to go from here |
| 16:28.08 | douglas | petemc: You know what, you're right. |
| 16:28.20 | merl15 | Hi everyone. I've installed debian etch on a computer and I've done it before with no problems but this time the screen resolution won't change to anything above 800x600 and there are a bunch of other problems too :\ I've tried xf86config and editing the X86config file manually but so far no luck :( |
| 16:28.20 | dunstabulos | i have used module assistant to install the acx100 module, but modprobe acx100 fails, asying FATAL: Module acx100 not found. |
| 16:28.26 | smhar | justin, what other info do you need? I gave my error message, my debian version and the history of it.. please tell me what else is needed |
| 16:28.32 | douglas | petemc: I'm gonna whip up something useful |
| 16:28.37 | merl15 | anyone think they can help me? |
| 16:28.39 | petemc | thats the spirit |
| 16:29.01 | justin | smhar: you gave your error message? where? |
| 16:29.15 | Petrov | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.25 | dunstabulos | !tell merl15 about drxx |
| 16:29.34 | dunstabulos | that help? |
| 16:29.34 | douglas | company picnic this weekend, gonna fire up a when and where and a google satelite map for driving directions on the web server |
| 16:30.08 | Thanatermesis | thx |
| 16:30.40 | smhar | justin, it says : 3 not fully installed or removed, and the 3 are libstdc++5, libstdc++5-3.3-dev and g++-3.3 |
| 16:30.50 | justin | !tell smhar about unix lessons |
| 16:31.10 | justin | smhar: see #9 |
| 16:32.24 | smhar | justin, ok .. I will paste the whole thing.. what is the url to the paster? |
| 16:32.58 | antgel | !tell Petrov about drxx |
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| 16:33.35 | antgel | !tell smhar about paster |
| 16:33.36 | bilge | Hello |
| 16:33.36 | x-Al1gma | hello bilge |
| 16:33.47 | Thanatermesis | how to translate a utf8 codification file to a ISO codification ? |
| 16:34.01 | bilge | I need some help with snmpd on ubuntu? |
| 16:34.17 | antgel | !tell bilge about ubuntu |
| 16:34.22 | PerfDave | bilge: Then ask #ubuntu ;) |
| 16:34.34 | douglas | you know what I hate? AOL advertises their new accelerated web surfing which no longer only includes extreme graphic compression, but when an aol user loads up my site, I get a dozen different aol proxy servers trying to fool apache and cut in line |
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| 16:35.00 | Lee__ | no wonder it's #1! |
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| 16:36.33 | bitshiftylives | hello |
| 16:36.33 | x-Al1gma | hello bitshiftylives |
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| 16:37.31 | bitshiftylives | so i have a box that runs redhat linux, and i have a debian minimal install bootable disc. although i set the bios to boot from the disc, it continues to run the grub loader instead of the disc |
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| 16:37.44 | Laser | hitler is stupid and he really sux |
| 16:37.55 | Laser | ooops |
| 16:37.56 | mtnman | bitshiftylives: perhaps the cd is not bootable |
| 16:37.59 | antgel | bitshiftylives: then your iso is fucked? |
| 16:38.01 | Laser | sorry. wrong channel. |
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| 16:38.16 | Eulex | bitshiftylives, did you md5 the iso and the cd? |
| 16:38.56 | Eulex | bitshiftylives, and do other bootable cds boot on that computer? |
| 16:39.26 | bitshiftylives | well, when i installed redhat it did |
| 16:39.35 | bitshiftylives | so it should definitely be able to run them. |
| 16:40.02 | paster | "smhar" at 193.188.105.22 pasted "error in apt-get" (33 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/481 |
| 16:40.06 | merl15 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 didn't do anything apparently :( |
| 16:40.14 | Eulex | bitshiftylives, care to test another cd |
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| 16:40.18 | archpollux | hello |
| 16:40.19 | x-Al1gma | hello archpollux |
| 16:40.20 | mtnman | bitshiftylives: i would suggest trying the cd in another machine and/or reburn the iso |
| 16:40.27 | Eulex | merl15, no, it does lots of stuff |
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| 16:40.45 | archpollux | how do i make an IP address the interface default with iproute? |
| 16:40.48 | Eulex | bitshiftylives, pebkac question: did you burn the iso as an iso ar as a file? |
| 16:41.27 | bitshiftylives | i'm pretty sure it burned as an ISO. i'm using nero burning rom software. |
| 16:41.41 | merl15 | Eulex, it doesn't seem to help with changing my resolution to anything but 800x600 :/ |
| 16:41.42 | bitshiftylives | is there command-line software i can use |
| 16:41.43 | bitshiftylives | ? |
| 16:41.45 | bitshiftylives | (for windows) |
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| 16:42.08 | petemc | bitshiftylives: no, nero should work fine - just dont use the wizard - go to file-> burn image |
| 16:42.16 | concept10 | Anyone have recommendations for a host that uses Debian |
| 16:42.24 | Eulex | merl15, did you select the resolutions you want when doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:42.32 | petemc | concept10: bytemark |
| 16:42.47 | smhar | justin, http://channels.debian.net/paste/481 and ignore the mplayer errors for now |
| 16:42.50 | s_ward | concept10: ^^^ yeah them :) |
| 16:42.58 | merl15 | Eulex: yeah, and I've tried that three times now - no luck each time |
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| 16:43.26 | concept10 | http://bytemark.com/ ??? |
| 16:43.34 | malex | Is there a way to force Mozilla-thunderbird to wrap text in the incoming messages? It puts entire paragraphs in one line. |
| 16:43.35 | petemc | concept10: .co.uk |
| 16:43.50 | bitshiftylives | alright i'm reburning the disc again |
| 16:43.56 | bitshiftylives | could it be a problem with GRUB? |
| 16:44.02 | antgel | bitshiftylives: no |
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| 16:44.11 | concept10 | petemc, i found them, thanks |
| 16:44.18 | Eulex | bitshiftylives, grub hasn't got a thing to do with it |
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| 16:44.47 | Eulex | bitshiftylives, have you cared to test another bootable disc in the box and the debian cd on another box? |
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| 16:46.11 | bitshiftylives | Eulex, i'm going to test the box with another boot disc in a moment. |
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| 16:46.29 | Eulex | merl15, check your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 16:47.56 | bitshiftylives | that's odd, it won't even boot a redhat disc. |
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| 16:48.15 | bitshiftylives | are there any other BIOS settings that could affect booting? |
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| 16:48.54 | Eulex | bitshiftylives, yes, for example boot order :P |
| 16:49.59 | bitshiftylives | should 32-bit mode on my cdrom drive be set to "ON"? |
| 16:50.03 | bitshiftylives | or does it matter |
| 16:50.10 | bitshiftylives | ? |
| 16:50.40 | Eulex | I dunno what it means, could try it |
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| 16:52.18 | bitshiftylives | my boot sequence is "CDROM,C:,A:" |
| 16:52.27 | Eulex | looks sane |
| 16:52.33 | bitshiftylives | i don't understand what the problem could be. |
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| 16:52.38 | bitshiftylives | i burned the disc image just as i should |
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| 16:52.54 | bitshiftylives | is there a known problem with the minimal install, do i need the full install for it to work properly? |
| 16:53.04 | Eulex | hasn't got anything to do with the disc; it couldn't boot the redhat disc either |
| 16:53.35 | Eulex | your computer/bios is to blame |
| 16:53.47 | Angel-SL | H |
| 16:53.49 | Angel-SL | ey |
| 16:53.58 | Angel-SL | is there a cd writer program for dwebian |
| 16:54.03 | Angel-SL | i'm using sarge |
| 16:54.15 | Angel-SL | cd-writer BenQ |
| 16:54.17 | pngwn | Angel-SL, packages.debian.org |
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| 16:54.25 | Eulex | Angel-SL, lots |
| 16:54.28 | PerfDave | Angel-SL: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:54.33 | PerfDave | Angel-SL: Though I'd recommend k3b |
| 16:55.10 | Eulex | bitshiftylives, you could try out this thing, if your system is able to boot from floppy: http://btmgr.webframe.org/ |
| 16:55.18 | evilsporkman | I tried installing stunnel4 on sarge (i386) and the requied openssl install fails with "dpkg: unable to execute new pre-installation script: Permission denied". stunnel4 was apparently partially installed anyway, and removing it fails with "unable to execute post-removal script: permission denied". |
| 16:55.21 | Angel-SL | PerfDave: i found it on apt-gety |
| 16:55.30 | s_ward | Ah, PerfDave, that's another example of a program I'd use, if ever I were to use a graphical program for the job.. k3b is brill! |
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| 16:55.48 | wathek | hello all |
| 16:55.54 | wathek | I need an information |
| 16:56.11 | wathek | does the first DVD of Debian enough for a full installation ? |
| 16:56.14 | archpollux | evilsporkman: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/stunnel4.preinst |
| 16:56.15 | concept10 | gosh, looking for a web host sucks |
| 16:56.16 | Angel-SL | 'an info'??? |
| 16:56.24 | archpollux | wathek: use network install |
| 16:56.31 | PerfDave | wathek: Yes, the first DVD is more than enough to install Debian. |
| 16:56.33 | Angel-SL | does the first DVD? |
| 16:56.35 | s_ward | wathek: More than enough |
| 16:56.40 | Eulex | wathek, full install do not exist in debian |
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| 16:56.51 | evilsporkman | archpollux: no such file or directory |
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| 16:56.57 | wathek | what I can get with the first DVD ? |
| 16:57.08 | greycat | a shitload of stuff. |
| 16:57.16 | wathek | coool |
| 16:57.17 | Eulex | !d-i wathek |
| 16:57.18 | dpkg | wathek, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:57.18 | archpollux | evilsporkman: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/stunnel4 |
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| 16:57.31 | wathek | I don't need then to have the second DVD |
| 16:57.50 | evilsporkman | archpollux: no such file or directory |
| 16:57.54 | Eulex | wathek, you don't need any dvd at all |
| 16:57.56 | stew | wathek: if you are installing on a machine with an internet connection, a 110mb cd is enough |
| 16:58.09 | mirak | hi |
| 16:58.13 | archpollux | evilsporkman: dpkg -l stunnel4 |
| 16:58.19 | mirak | is there a flashing tool that runs on linux for ATI cards ? |
| 16:58.24 | Angel-SL | PerfDave: seems the k3d i apt-get'd wasn't the one you said |
| 16:58.29 | wathek | stew, I've a 128K ADSL connection |
| 16:58.31 | pepsi | 2.6.12 is broken :( |
| 16:58.31 | Angel-SL | its not a cd writer program |
| 16:58.36 | wathek | staniel, is it enough ? |
| 16:58.39 | Eulex | mirak, "flashing tool"? |
| 16:58.43 | pepsi | does 2.6.12 work for anyone else? |
| 16:58.48 | PerfDave | Angel-SL: I said k3b, not k3d |
| 16:58.50 | mirak | Eulex: to flash the rom |
| 16:58.51 | evilsporkman | archpollux: 6 lines of output... |
| 16:59.05 | PerfDave | pepsi: You're running unstable? |
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| 16:59.12 | pepsi | PerfDave, yeah |
| 16:59.12 | stew | wathek: the 110mb netinst image installs a base system then only downloads the packages that you actually want to install instead of downloading an entire dvd when you will only need a fraction of the stuff on there |
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| 16:59.21 | archpollux | evilsporkman: list the one that mentions stunell4 |
| 16:59.27 | wathek | stew, ok |
| 16:59.28 | wathek | :D |
| 16:59.35 | wathek | thanx for the information |
| 16:59.35 | wathek | :D |
| 16:59.36 | PerfDave | pepsi: Then I wouldn't be surprised that stuffi s broken ;) |
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| 16:59.51 | pepsi | gee what a thought |
| 16:59.56 | pepsi | i was just curious if it worked for anybody else |
| 16:59.58 | Eulex | pepsi, have you bts'ed today? :) |
| 16:59.59 | evilsporkman | archpollux: rH stunnel4 4.090-1 Universal SSL tunnel for network daemons |
| 17:00.08 | pepsi | Eulex, excuse me? |
| 17:00.13 | Eulex | !bts |
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| 17:00.13 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:00.20 | PerfDave | OTOH, if you can spare the bandwidth, downloading full CD images or DVD images will mniimise the time taken from booting the installer to getting a working system. |
| 17:00.25 | Eulex | ooo, that one was huge |
| 17:00.33 | PerfDave | And also give you more things (kernel source etc.) to help if things go wrong. |
| 17:00.48 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.14 | archpollux | evilsporkman: reinstall stunnel4 |
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| 17:01.43 | jkaufman | hey guys |
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| 17:01.48 | evilsporkman | archpollux: stunnel4 is already the newest version...blah blah blah wants to install openssl |
| 17:01.49 | golgotha | is there a good OS sla monitoring tool, ie something that can generate some metrics of web server performance? |
| 17:01.51 | jkaufman | peterS: are you around? |
| 17:02.06 | evilsporkman | archpollux: i ran apt-get install stunnel4 to do that just now |
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| 17:03.12 | Eulex | evilsporkman, reinstall => apt-get install stunnel4 --reinstall |
| 17:03.33 | shadowcat | aptitude reinstall life |
| 17:03.43 | evilsporkman | archpollux: tried apt-get install --reinstall stunnel4; openssl's pre-installation script failed with permission denied, then stunnel4's old and new post-removal scripts failed with permission denied |
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| 17:04.08 | Eulex | shadowcat, cool, I want one too :) |
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| 17:04.24 | shadowcat | Eulex: heh I ain't giving you the repository address :P |
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| 17:04.46 | Eulex | hehe |
| 17:04.56 | jtaylor | i have a computer that is 5 years old. Will linux make it work with a 300 gig hard drive or do I have to worry about my bios and motherboard etc? |
| 17:04.57 | Angel-SL | ehh |
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| 17:05.02 | archpollux | evilsporkman: is /var on another partition? |
| 17:05.07 | shadowcat | 300gig hd? |
| 17:05.08 | shadowcat | wtf |
| 17:05.09 | freck | golgotha: apache jmeter is pretty much the webserver benchmarking tool with the most features. java though. |
| 17:05.17 | pepsi | why does a 5 year old computer need 300G? |
| 17:05.19 | pepsi | :) |
| 17:05.21 | ricky_clarkson | shadowcat: Go to PC World sometime. |
| 17:05.21 | Angel-SL | which category is k3b in the gnome menu? |
| 17:05.23 | Eulex | jtaylor, linux will work, bios and mobo probably not |
| 17:05.23 | shadowcat | Linux will happily live on 10gb |
| 17:05.24 | PerfDave | freck: Free Java or sun Java? |
| 17:05.30 | shadowcat | less |
| 17:05.36 | golgotha | freck, benchmarking, i was really after sla reporting |
| 17:05.38 | shadowcat | 5gb if you know what you're doing |
| 17:05.42 | shadowcat | and that's including KDE |
| 17:05.42 | jtaylor | its a bioinformatics work station |
| 17:05.45 | jtaylor | crazy data |
| 17:05.45 | freck | PerfDave: didn't test it with anything but sun java |
| 17:05.45 | Eulex | debian happily lives in 2gb |
| 17:05.54 | ricky_clarkson | I used Debian quite well on 1.6GB. |
| 17:05.55 | shadowcat | Eulex: not if you want KDE |
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| 17:05.59 | jtaylor | im wondering if i can use the 300 gig HD though... will it WORK? ... not fit |
| 17:06.02 | PerfDave | jtaylor: What you probably will need to do is use a jumper combination on the drive to get the BIOS to boot with it, then Linux will see it as its full size, that's how my 120Gb drive works in my Pentium. |
| 17:06.03 | ricky_clarkson | What kind of moron wants KDE? |
| 17:06.03 | freck | golgotha: what kind of data do you need for that? |
| 17:06.09 | golgotha | i used to have debian on a 512Mb disk |
| 17:06.13 | Eulex | shadowcat, no, debian != kde :P |
| 17:06.19 | shadowcat | KDE > * |
| 17:06.20 | ricky_clarkson | I've got Debian on a rescue disk! |
| 17:06.26 | PerfDave | I used Debian on 200Mb :) |
| 17:06.28 | wathek | how can I configure the network under Debian ? |
| 17:06.33 | evilsporkman | archpollux: d'oh, i mounted /var noexec |
| 17:06.42 | Angel-SL | PerfDave: where is k3b installed to/> |
| 17:06.43 | Angel-SL | ? |
| 17:06.47 | archpollux | evilsporkman: exactly |
| 17:06.54 | PerfDave | wathek: What bit of the network do you want to configure? Probably by editing /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:06.59 | PerfDave | Angel-SL: Uhm, dpkg -L k3b |
| 17:07.00 | golgotha | freck, i want to sample say 5 pages over time, report on the average time to respond, draw graphs, maybe produce a nice pdf |
| 17:07.01 | evilsporkman | archpollux: thanks. can i still mount it nosuid and nodev? |
| 17:07.07 | archpollux | evilsporkman: yeah |
| 17:07.11 | s_ward | shadowcat: I have .fluxbox :) |
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| 17:07.17 | golgotha | record error pages etc |
| 17:07.26 | archpollux | evilsporkman: unless u run into problems :) |
| 17:07.27 | wathek | PerfDave, ok thanx |
| 17:07.33 | shadowcat | heh |
| 17:07.37 | shadowcat | !start a wm war |
| 17:07.37 | dpkg | fvwm95 bites! |
| 17:07.53 | s_ward | That's boring.. we all agree with that, don't we? :) |
| 17:07.55 | golgotha | fvwm95 is the best wm ever! |
| 17:07.58 | Angel-SL | PerfDave: and then? |
| 17:08.03 | TheStick | no, KDE rulez! |
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| 17:08.12 | PerfDave | Angel-SL: That will tell you where the files in the k3b package went |
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| 17:08.24 | golgotha | what do you need X for, you should all code using cat and sed |
| 17:08.39 | s_ward | golgotha: nah, ed |
| 17:08.43 | shadowcat | cat /dev/urandom > golgotha |
| 17:08.45 | PerfDave | golgotha: Duh, you need X to launch lots of xterms ;) |
| 17:08.56 | shadowcat | PerfDave: 64 not enough for you? |
| 17:08.58 | evilsporkman | archpollux: thanks...this is what i get for trying to secure my box |
| 17:09.02 | PerfDave | shadowcat: Lamer ;) |
| 17:09.09 | shadowcat | you can have 64 virtual consoles you know :P |
| 17:09.11 | archpollux | evilsporkman: keyword is compromise :) |
| 17:09.11 | Eulex | kde 'n' gnome teh bloat |
| 17:09.25 | golgotha | only wusses use X |
| 17:09.27 | cbr | kde is less bloat imho |
| 17:09.30 | freck | golgotha: well jmeter is pretty much for interactive testing. you can script it and have it create xml result sheets, but then you have to post-process them yourself |
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| 17:09.56 | golgotha | freck, pitty i was hoping someone had done most of the work for me on this |
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| 17:10.15 | afd_ | hi! how's it called the svn package name in debian? |
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| 17:10.29 | shadowcat | afd_: subversion |
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| 17:10.31 | Eulex | afd_, subversion |
| 17:10.37 | afd_ | a! thanks :) |
| 17:10.45 | shadowcat | apt-cache search svn |
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| 17:11.14 | afd_ | thanks guys! |
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| 17:11.28 | PerfDave | golgotha: What exactly do you want to measure about your webserver? |
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| 17:11.34 | archpollux | evilsporkman: but you should concentrate on doing it otherwise, anyway :) |
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| 17:11.56 | shadowcat | bah |
| 17:12.02 | shadowcat | can't he make up his mind |
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| 17:12.35 | shadowcat | andi5: make up your damn mind |
| 17:12.36 | golgotha | PerfDave, well i have an SLA, for example i need to report the average time to respond, i need to show and graph of responce times over time, |
| 17:12.39 | shadowcat | are you coming or going? |
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| 17:13.08 | andi5 | shadowcat: i am sorry, will go now, ... |
| 17:13.13 | PerfDave | golgotha: Network response times, or page rendering times, or what? |
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| 17:13.25 | golgotha | PerfDave, page rendering |
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| 17:14.19 | sebas_2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.21 | PerfDave | golgotha: I'd just run "time wget http://mysite/dynamicpage.cgi" or whatever out of a cronjob ;) |
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| 17:14.52 | golgotha | PerfDave, unfortunately that doesn't really make up an SLA reporting tool |
| 17:15.00 | PerfDave | golgotha: So tie it into mrtg already ;) |
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| 17:15.22 | Eulex | sebas_2, boot from a live-cd and check if the file is there and ok? |
| 17:15.25 | tech9iner | so sargeMateyzzz.. ;] |
| 17:15.26 | PerfDave | sebas_2: The first step is to use a rescue disk to get to a bootable system ;) |
| 17:15.48 | golgotha | i guess i could tie it into cacti |
| 17:16.03 | tech9iner | dp.kg doesnt seem to know |
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| 17:16.20 | tech9iner | about turning off unecesssary animated mouse cursors etc etc.. |
| 17:16.27 | tech9iner | and im not finding it in here |
| 17:16.31 | golgotha | oh i have an idea |
| 17:16.33 | tech9iner | any clues appreicated |
| 17:16.35 | golgotha | nagios can do it for me! |
| 17:16.43 | sebas_2 | PerfDave: Yes, i restart the system with a bootable CD, but I cant find the problem |
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| 17:18.38 | MovieTrailerMan | hey, the firefox in sid isn't the latest enough to use the extensions I need... is there a way to install the latest without losing my bookmarks? |
| 17:18.48 | sebas_2 | PerfDAve: the system was down... and now I cant find sh and bash... it is posible? |
| 17:20.20 | tech9iner | where does one turn off all desktop and mouse cursor animations and as much 'pretty' transitions as possible to keep this old Plll 366 / 128ram lappy happy ;] |
| 17:20.29 | Eulex | MovieTrailerMan, sid has the latest stable -- experimental has the latest unstable -- but do you really need deerpark alpha 2? |
| 17:20.35 | tech9iner | lean laptop's the goal mates.. |
| 17:20.47 | PerfDave | sebas_2: Anything's possible. |
| 17:20.51 | MovieTrailerMan | Eulex, Deerpark alpha is required for my job :) |
| 17:21.25 | Eulex | tech9iner, animated cursors sounds like gnome or kde, which I'd keep away from that laptop |
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| 17:21.30 | PerfDave | sebas_2: So you restart your system with a bootable CD, and you're looking at the hard drive on your system, and it's missing a bunch of stuff? |
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| 17:21.39 | MovieTrailerMan | Tech N9ne!! |
| 17:22.00 | tech9iner | Eulex thanks muchly chum.. any recommendations on leaner dtops ideal for sarge guv? |
| 17:22.03 | sebas_2 | PerfDave: at the moment only sh is missing |
| 17:22.16 | rm-r | hi |
| 17:22.16 | abrotman | tech9iner: what window manager? |
| 17:22.17 | cockroach | can anyone recommend a tool to extract attachments from mbox files? |
| 17:22.38 | Eulex | MovieTrailerMan, why? just devs do have deerpark alpha 2, consumers won't be able to use your product |
| 17:22.46 | nvz | I guess ASCII 11,12 (vt,np) arent printable chars :P |
| 17:22.59 | PerfDave | tech9iner: Which window manager / desktop environment are you using? In KDE, you can turn it off with Appearance & Themes -> Style |
| 17:23.03 | MovieTrailerMan | Watch out cause here comes Tecca nina |
| 17:23.03 | MovieTrailerMan | Roll out cause here comes Tecca nina |
| 17:23.03 | MovieTrailerMan | Drop down cause here comes Tecca nina |
| 17:23.03 | MovieTrailerMan | Here comes Tecca nina |
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| 17:23.09 | abrotman | wtf |
| 17:23.23 | nvz | watch out abrotman |
| 17:23.32 | nvz | here comes tecca nina |
| 17:23.33 | tech9iner | default debian install here.. not sure per recall mates |
| 17:23.34 | abrotman | for what .. debhelper to kick the moron? |
| 17:23.35 | tech9iner | as of now.. |
| 17:23.43 | tech9iner | whether its running gnome or kde? |
| 17:23.46 | abrotman | tech9iner: you don't know which window manager you're using ? |
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| 17:23.48 | tech9iner | best way to discern |
| 17:24.00 | abrotman | does it have a K or a foot anywhere? |
| 17:24.11 | MovieTrailerMan | it has a red hat |
| 17:24.12 | nvz | its scary how much I have been in dosbox lately |
| 17:24.15 | tech9iner | default background is kde |
| 17:24.18 | Eulex | tech9iner, I'd recommend fluxbox or xfce, and there are also lots of others, like icewm, fvwm, wmaker etc |
| 17:24.27 | MovieTrailerMan | xpde |
| 17:24.37 | nvz | finally a dead simple way to do dos stuff in linux |
| 17:24.39 | tech9iner | ive played only a bit with flux n xfce4 |
| 17:24.44 | abrotman | MovieTrailerMan: shut up |
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| 17:24.51 | tech9iner | any input on leanest n cleanest tween those 2? |
| 17:24.57 | MovieTrailerMan | xpde is the best window manager out there |
| 17:24.58 | sombra | How do I access the pf firewall the easiest way to debian? |
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| 17:25.08 | MovieTrailerMan | I mean, who'd want a desktop with a smelly foot on it? |
| 17:25.12 | tech9iner | MovieTrailerMan thanx guv.. |
| 17:25.26 | tech9iner | xpde run lean n clean on sarge MovieTrailerMan ? |
| 17:25.38 | MovieTrailerMan | yeah |
| 17:25.40 | tech9iner | oh an btw mats.. |
| 17:25.42 | tech9iner | thanks MovieTrailerMan |
| 17:25.47 | cbr | doesnt xpde suck ass? |
| 17:25.59 | nvz | its not in debian |
| 17:26.04 | nvz | so who cares |
| 17:26.22 | Eulex | if it's not in debian, it's most probably not worth having |
| 17:26.36 | MovieTrailerMan | http://www.xpde.com/shots.php |
| 17:26.36 | sombra | it the j #oslo |
| 17:26.38 | MovieTrailerMan | it should be |
| 17:26.42 | MovieTrailerMan | clean.. and smooth |
| 17:26.49 | MovieTrailerMan | the way a desktop environment should be :P |
| 17:26.50 | nvz | I could program a better wm than xpde in PDS |
| 17:27.28 | prock | are we having a wm war? |
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| 17:27.40 | nvz | PDS was the last release of Microsoft's Quick Basic. the "Professional Development System" :P |
| 17:27.49 | rob_lt | Any opinions on systemax machines? They seem to have some good deals on them at tigerdirect.ca |
| 17:27.49 | rking | what beyond strace and ltrace can i do if a process is spinning? |
| 17:27.54 | MovieTrailerMan | xpde used to look just like windows XP |
| 17:27.58 | MovieTrailerMan | doesnt anymore though |
| 17:28.00 | cbr | prock: what did you say? metacity rules? OPENBOX I SAY!! |
| 17:28.04 | Eulex | haha, pds, yeah that's still funny |
| 17:28.05 | abrotman | MovieTrailerMan: stop hitting enter god damn it |
| 17:28.13 | MovieTrailerMan | close though: http://www.xpde.com/shots/startmenu.png |
| 17:28.15 | nvz | I am currently playing with QuickBasic 4.5, didnt feel like messing with the bloat of pds |
| 17:28.57 | nvz | I still program better in basic than anything else I've learned.. but I've been doing it since I was like 8 |
| 17:29.04 | Eulex | nvz, qb 4.5 is all you'll ever need |
| 17:29.06 | prock | the funny part is that there are probably professional products developed in qb |
| 17:29.35 | tech9iner | k mates.. any last input tween xfce4, fluxbox, and xpde desktops to run lean on laptop with sarge on it Please ? |
| 17:29.37 | MovieTrailerMan | prock, even worse.. there is probably an "Enterprise Level" business out there with heavy, mission critical systems designed in QBasic |
| 17:29.53 | MovieTrailerMan | tech9iner, sorry, but in all seriousness, flux is my wm of choice |
| 17:29.58 | sporter | What is the command of mount cd-rom? |
| 17:30.00 | MovieTrailerMan | it is very simple, and I like it like that |
| 17:30.09 | nvz | I dont have any of my routines anymore.. making new ones. I had nice input routines before.. mouse, keyboard, joystick w/ configuration and calibration program |
| 17:30.16 | tech9iner | is flux the mouse image logo?.. |
| 17:30.18 | nvz | dont remember what I did with all that stuff |
| 17:30.22 | rob_lt | sporter, mount /media/cdrom |
| 17:30.35 | MovieTrailerMan | no |
| 17:30.35 | Eulex | the xpde site is extremely slow, at least |
| 17:30.48 | shadowcat | heh xpde |
| 17:30.48 | PerfDave | tech9iner: With that spec of laptop, I'd run KDE :) |
| 17:30.48 | MovieTrailerMan | fluxbox is a very lightweight, and extremely fast windows manager |
| 17:30.52 | green_earz | sporter: mount /media/cdrom0 |
| 17:31.08 | sporter | rob_lt,how to mount iso? |
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| 17:31.42 | tech9iner | PerfDave really?.. phat kde on a Plll 366 with just 128ram? |
| 17:31.42 | Anthro | Does anyone know of a simple WebDAV client (for writing; for reading I can use wget)? |
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| 17:31.53 | asg | Anthro: cadaver |
| 17:31.54 | green_earz | sporter: have a look in the fstab file for the mount point " cat /etc/fstab " |
| 17:31.56 | PerfDave | tech9iner: That's higher spec than my old desktop, which I ran KDE on perfecly happily |
| 17:32.16 | MISTER_MUSTARDHE | damn it |
| 17:32.31 | tech9iner | hmmmmmmm.. lol.. had to make the decision tedious didncha PerfDave rofl |
| 17:32.32 | asg | Anthro: for dfsg reasons, it is compiled without SSL support but you could always use a stunnel or just grab the src deb and compile it --with-ssl |
| 17:32.33 | abrotman | tech9iner: use fluxbox if you're really that concerned |
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| 17:32.39 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | tech9iner, with your specs, KDE should run fine |
| 17:32.40 | rob_lt | sporter, mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 cd_image /cdrom |
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| 17:33.15 | Anthro | asg: For testing purposes, I don't need SSL. Outside my NAT, SSL is the only way into my webserver. Inside, however, I don't need it. |
| 17:33.37 | rob_lt | sporter, or /dev/loop/0 or whatever you have |
| 17:33.50 | abrotman | asg: nutate! |
| 17:33.59 | asg | nuteral |
| 17:34.08 | tech9iner | well mates.. lean is called for cause this pal went out n bought a POS AIO lexmark x4270 .. eh.. did i mention POS yet? ;]... and lost receipt.. an tossed the box.. THen drops off lappy and asked me to getit printing/scanning on lappy that was running centos.. |
| 17:34.09 | abrotman | !nutate |
| 17:34.09 | tech9iner | arrrrgh! ;[ |
| 17:34.09 | sporter | oh,thanks |
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| 17:34.38 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | what is centOS? Why is it so popular? |
| 17:34.38 | ke6isf | abrotman: maybe a mutation of a Nutone product? =O.o= |
| 17:34.51 | ke6isf | !centos |
| 17:34.51 | dpkg | somebody said centos was a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. Check it out at http://www.centos.org/projects/centos |
| 17:34.51 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | just put Ubuntu on the laptop and he should be happy |
| 17:34.54 | abrotman | ke6isf: no .. it's a word |
| 17:34.58 | Eulex | MR_MUSTARDHEAD, free redhat enterprise clone |
| 17:35.03 | ke6isf | abrotman: Ah, didn't know that. |
| 17:35.08 | abrotman | !dict nutate |
| 17:35.09 | dpkg | could not find definition for nutate |
| 17:35.22 | abrotman | ke6isf: trust me .. it's a word |
| 17:35.39 | abrotman | http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=nutate |
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| 17:35.46 | ke6isf | abrotman: Yeah, spotted on dictionary.com. |
| 17:35.50 | tech9iner | and now having to loadup phat vmware an arrrrgh! ;[ .. windBLOWz 98se on it to load printer scanner |
| 17:36.00 | Eulex | nutate: to rock, sway, or nod; usually involuntarily. |
| 17:36.06 | rob_lt | Would there be any point in purchasing an AMD 64 bit machine, but installing the 32 bit versions of debian on it? I hear there are issues with some 64 bit apps. |
| 17:36.27 | tech9iner | less someone here has this POS x4270 lexmark and has compiled lexmarks POS drivers for it? |
| 17:36.30 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | rob_lt, why install a 32-bit os on a 64 bit system? |
| 17:36.31 | asg | MR_MUSTARDHEAD: it is irritating but it won't get you banned |
| 17:36.32 | Anthro | Okay, I thought I did everything right in setting up webdav, but it seems I did not. |
| 17:36.42 | Anthro | Oops, wait, gonna try something... |
| 17:36.44 | metaperl | ke6isf: lol |
| 17:37.15 | tech9iner | anyone here had any luck atall with lexmark aio printers on sarge perchance? |
| 17:37.17 | tech9iner | whine beg whine |
| 17:37.28 | asg | metaperl: they buy them on eBay |
| 17:37.29 | rob_lt | MR_MUSTARDHEAD, from reading some info on the 64 bit machines, people are having issues with some apps not being available in 64 bit versions, and ending up with a mixed system of 64 and 32 bit apps. |
| 17:37.38 | abrotman | MR_MUSTARDHEAD: because not everything runs as a 64bit binary yet |
| 17:37.49 | asg | tech9iner: linuxprinting.org |
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| 17:37.59 | tech9iner | Been There; Done That! ;] asg .. thanks guv ;] |
| 17:38.14 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | ah |
| 17:38.22 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | just go get windows 64 bit edition |
| 17:38.24 | tech9iner | spent the last month searching for any all references to lexmark linux drivers |
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| 17:38.29 | asg | tech9iner: ah well. You could run windows in qemu (save the vmware cost at least since it's only for printing.) |
| 17:38.29 | abrotman | rob_lt: two things i'm aware of that don't run in 64bit are OO.o and flash |
| 17:38.41 | shadowcat | heh Windows XP 64bit |
| 17:38.42 | asg | tech9iner: unless it's a usb printer and that won't work |
| 17:38.46 | tech9iner | qemu asg ?.. no info here |
| 17:38.48 | shadowcat | WinXP 64 bit sucks |
| 17:38.52 | asg | !qemu |
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| 17:38.52 | dpkg | i heard qemu is a fast PC emulator that can be found at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ |
| 17:38.58 | tech9iner | dammit asg rofl.. sure enough .. USB |
| 17:39.06 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | OO.o sucks anyway |
| 17:39.07 | asg | tech9iner: ah well. |
| 17:39.19 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | not to troll, but the damn thing has always started quite slow for me |
| 17:39.24 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | even on high end hardware |
| 17:39.31 | tech9iner | hip hip horray!! boooo.. hip hip horray!! boooo.. rofl |
| 17:39.41 | Anthro | MR_MUSTARDHEAD: Not to troll indeed. |
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| 17:39.52 | MR_KETCHUPHEAD | ping |
| 17:40.10 | tech9iner | OOo sux?.. damn.. 4 the price.. methinks its handsdown the best office suite on the planet.. for the price anyway.. |
| 17:40.10 | rob_lt | I just use latex and/or scribus |
| 17:40.13 | asg | ah, it's condiment day. |
| 17:40.20 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | I mean, sorry, I just see no reason for an office suite to take 2 minutes to load on a 2.4Ghz machine with 512mb of RAM |
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| 17:40.53 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | especially when MS Word starts in about 5 seconds for me on wine |
| 17:40.55 | asg | MR_MUSTARDHEAD: agreed. Most people can't write coherent text anyway. |
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| 17:40.59 | tech9iner | ive been using OOo as my smb biz's main production office suite for over 2 yrs now.. very few failures.. love the pdf export for all my windBLOWz customers / clients too ;] |
| 17:41.02 | Eulex | MR_MUSTARDHEAD, let me time the start |
| 17:41.11 | tech9iner | wait.. this IS #OOo right ?.. rofl |
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| 17:41.21 | tech9iner | Mea Culpa! |
| 17:41.23 | Eulex | 5s |
| 17:41.29 | PerfDave | MR_MUSTARDHEAD: Yeah, it's just as well it takes much less time to load on my 1.4GHz Athlon, or I'd be stuffed ;) |
| 17:42.08 | tech9iner | isnt koffice just a co branded version of OOo yes? no? |
| 17:42.20 | Anthro | tech9iner: No, entirely different codebase. |
| 17:42.28 | tech9iner | ThingzThatMakeYouWannaSay.... Hmmmmm!?!..... ;] |
| 17:42.37 | jakeUbUnTu | hello? |
| 17:42.52 | Eulex | !based on debian |
| 17:42.52 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 17:42.57 | nvz | I'm experimenting with making an emotion engine for a game trying to use different character variables to effect artificially intelligent decisions. Hard to say which things are significant, a lot are gray areas that overlap it seems. |
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| 17:44.34 | tech9iner | Anthro there ya go a 'lern'in' me again against me will ;].. thanks.. had nada clue here.. in other words status quo here ;];] |
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| 17:45.15 | tech9iner | so koffice.. mucho slicker than OOo ?.. or just personal preference like diff tween kde / gnome desktops? |
| 17:45.24 | abrotman | MR_MUSTARDHEAD: maybe because windows loads all the crap for office when it starts .. but you probably already knew that already |
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| 17:45.41 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | bah, time for me to go, it's been fun. Could someone show me the door? |
| 17:46.02 | Anthro | tech9iner: There are entirely too many OSS office suite efforts. All of them suck. At the moment, OOo seems to be the least sucky, but before that koffice was looking really promising and AbiWord was considered good. Blah. I have high hopes for KOffice, but since the only things I need a word processor for occur on a Windows platform with MS Office installed, I can't manage to care. |
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| 17:46.10 | eeyore- | MR_MUSTARDHEAD: right. can't argue with the facts, so leave, eh? :-) |
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| 17:46.27 | abrotman | eeyore-: could you make that permanent? |
| 17:46.35 | DarkSith | hello people |
| 17:46.50 | tech9iner | Anthro fair enough .. preciate the IMHO n time it took chum.. ;] |
| 17:46.53 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | eeyore-, it's hard to get a rise out of people these days :) |
| 17:47.15 | shadowcat | let's get one thing straight |
| 17:47.19 | shadowcat | Microsoft Office is bloated |
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| 17:47.20 | tech9iner | so.. |
| 17:47.24 | rob_lt | abrotman, the windows prelink argument doesn't explain why MS Office using wine launches quicker than OOo in linux |
| 17:47.24 | shadowcat | bloated bloated bloated |
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| 17:47.29 | shadowcat | it's five cds |
| 17:47.33 | nvz | costs a lot of money too |
| 17:47.35 | tech9iner | bout this qemu app.. another wine / vmware?.. |
| 17:47.35 | Anthro | tech9iner: You're almost painfully cheerful. |
| 17:47.36 | abrotman | rob_lt: wine emulates that? :) |
| 17:47.37 | shadowcat | and still can't manage to do what OpenOffice does in 100mb |
| 17:47.40 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | shadowcat, but I can even develop applications based on Excel! :P |
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| 17:47.55 | shadowcat | MR_MUSTARDHEAD: that makes you a moron |
| 17:48.02 | shadowcat | you don't brag about knowing visual basic |
| 17:48.04 | tech9iner | fuck you Anthro .. [feel better now guv? ;] |
| 17:48.07 | abrotman | rob_lt: OO.o has a_lot_ of crap to load .. have you tried prelinking OO.o ? |
| 17:48.08 | tech9iner | heh |
| 17:48.15 | defcon8 | yeah what is this excel and developing programmes shit? |
| 17:48.16 | jhgastr | Greetings all |
| 17:48.29 | Anthro | tech9iner: Heh. Much. A little bitterness balances the sweetness and light nicely. |
| 17:48.30 | nvz | OpenOffice really doesnt do all that MS Offices does like access, outlook, bookshelf |
| 17:48.31 | abrotman | i'm damn sure dipshit has been banned before |
| 17:48.53 | shadowcat | MR_MUSTARDHEAD: the sad part is that I probably know more of the visual basic api than you do |
| 17:49.04 | shadowcat | and yet I haven't even touched excel macro scripting |
| 17:49.08 | abrotman | shadowcat: you sohuld stop erm .. "bragging" now :) |
| 17:49.09 | nvz | and I've experienced differences not only in the usage of the Spreadsheet and Excel but the format as well |
| 17:49.09 | defcon8 | is it vb api or windows api? |
| 17:49.33 | shadowcat | defcon8: all office apps use visual basic |
| 17:49.38 | tech9iner | hehe.. jolly good.. off with 'is head.. off with 'is bloody rotten wittle 'ead i say.. [jus making Anthro proud 2 be on irc ;] |
| 17:49.40 | defcon8 | fuck i think my belgian cousin hid my british flag wtf |
| 17:49.48 | defcon8 | shadowcat, wow |
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| 17:49.55 | rob_lt | abrotman, I don't care to use OO.o, but I'm just saying that the whole "MS Office loads quicker because MS cheats by preloading" is not really true. If OO.o has to load "a _lot_ of crap" then it is bloated, hence why I don't use it. |
| 17:50.11 | abrotman | rob_lt: i didn't say it wasn't bloated .. i just asked if you tried to prelink it |
| 17:50.13 | nvz | like I cant say =B1+C1 then say in the next cell =B1+C2 then drag that pattern out in OO I can in Excel. OO will just increment both vars |
| 17:50.14 | abrotman | !prelink |
| 17:50.14 | dpkg | it has been said that prelink is a program made by jakub jelinek (sp?) and can be found on the redhat servers in the /pub/jakub dir if i am not mistaken, but breaks tripwire (obviously), or should make apps start faster |
| 17:50.22 | abrotman | wtf |
| 17:50.25 | shadowcat | defcon8: each office app has its own special api, but it's just a matter of knowing functions |
| 17:50.34 | Anthro | tech9iner: So... why the affected british thing from someone in Las Vegas? |
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| 17:51.11 | tech9iner | why the blue died genital hair Anthro ?.. you first! ;];] |
| 17:51.19 | abrotman | dyed |
| 17:51.27 | Anthro | tech9iner: The wife likes it. Your turn! |
| 17:51.33 | jhgastrich | you dye it blue and I'm sure it will die |
| 17:51.36 | tech9iner | haha.. color me bested.. dammit |
| 17:51.43 | briankeys | What's the command to make a file exectuable again? :) |
| 17:51.50 | eeyore- | i avoided touching visual basic ever since i had to use it for MS Access a while ago. God, what a horrible language and worse editor. |
| 17:51.52 | abrotman | briankeys: man chmod |
| 17:51.54 | jhgastrich | chmod 777 <file< |
| 17:51.58 | greycat | NOT 777! |
| 17:51.58 | briankeys | chmod! there we are :) ty! |
| 17:51.59 | abrotman | jhgastrich: no |
| 17:52.09 | abrotman | jhgastrich: never use 777 |
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| 17:52.13 | tech9iner | so anyone tried loading off cdrom drivers to a lexmark aio unit using qemu ? |
| 17:52.19 | abrotman | ok .. not never .. but ffs .. make sure it's right |
| 17:52.25 | jhgastrich | bahh, I'm an old Unix user, I take my chances |
| 17:52.27 | tech9iner | how does qemu compare with wine Please ? |
| 17:52.34 | jhgastrich | Hell I even set the Su bit from time to time |
| 17:52.35 | tech9iner | better?.. same? |
| 17:52.37 | PerfDave | tech9iner: They're completely different things. |
| 17:52.44 | abrotman | if you were an old unix user .. you'd know better :) |
| 17:52.44 | eeyore- | it (visual basic editor, whatever was included in ms access) was second-worse to sinclaire editor built-in ROM from the (bad) old days of sinclaire |
| 17:52.53 | nvz | I can get by with OO Spreadsheet myself. but my father has used excel for ages and he picks the bugs right out of that thing when I hand him spreadsheets. |
| 17:52.55 | tech9iner | qemu isnt an os emulator then? |
| 17:52.58 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's called notepad :) |
| 17:53.01 | eeyore- | remember the one that made you hit a specific key for a specific keyword? |
| 17:53.11 | PerfDave | tech9iner: WINE Is Not an Emulator |
| 17:53.15 | prock | abrotman: in my experience, old unix users don't know any better. |
| 17:53.20 | PerfDave | tech9iner: Also, qemu is not an OS emulator |
| 17:53.27 | jhgastrich | Bahh if someone asks a stupid question, I give a stupid answer, and anyway there is nothing wrong with using 777 if you know what your doing |
| 17:53.27 | eeyore- | abrotman: no, it was customized for visual basic with syntax highlighting and *very strict* tabbing rules |
| 17:53.34 | tech9iner | dammit.. retaining info is alas.. soo taxing.. heh |
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| 17:53.40 | abrotman | eeyore-: i know what it is .. i'm joking :) |
| 17:54.20 | greycat | if you know what your doing _what_? what your doing causes? what your doing entails? |
| 17:54.26 | eeyore- | abrotman: leave it to sir clive to reduce me to hunting and pecking :-) |
| 17:54.27 | greycat | or you just can't spell "you're"? |
| 17:54.27 | zinx | PerfDave: WINE isn't a CPU emulator, but beyond that, what would you define it as then? keeping in mind I'm not talking about libwine here |
| 17:54.39 | abrotman | eeyore-: heh |
| 17:54.41 | eeyore- | hey, how about Das Keyboard? |
| 17:54.55 | eeyore- | the keyboard without keycap labels :-) |
| 17:54.57 | jhgastrich | sorry, forgot we are in chat... what YUR doing |
| 17:55.00 | jhgastrich | better? |
| 17:55.02 | abrotman | eeyore-: i just saw that today |
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| 17:55.07 | PerfDave | zinx: It's an implementation of the Win32 API on Linux |
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| 17:55.18 | zinx | PerfDave: that's libwine, try again. what would you define *wine* as |
| 17:55.22 | PerfDave | zinx: It's an implementation of the Win32 API on Linux |
| 17:55.25 | zinx | PerfDave: that's libwine, try again. what would you define *wine* as |
| 17:55.27 | PerfDave | zinx: It's an implementation of the Win32 API on Linux |
| 17:55.28 | abrotman | a crappy replacement for beer? |
| 17:55.33 | zinx | PerfDave: you're an idiot :) |
| 17:55.36 | s_ward | !wine abrotman |
| 17:55.36 | jhgastrich | lol abro |
| 17:55.38 | PerfDave | zinx: Well, fuck you too |
| 17:55.39 | zinx | PerfDave: thanks for playing |
| 17:55.50 | abrotman | !wine |
| 17:55.50 | dpkg | [wine] at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 17:55.59 | PerfDave | zinx: OK, WINE is a frontend for an implementation of the Win32 API on LInux |
| 17:56.07 | PerfDave | zinx: Now stop being a cock |
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| 17:56.29 | eeyore- | wonder if dpkg has any good shiraz in the cellar |
| 17:56.37 | abrotman | dpkg: get the shiraz |
| 17:56.54 | Ungy | !beer abrotman |
| 17:57.04 | zinx | PerfDave: wine loads .exe's in to a windows-style process space, provides them with windows-style system calls that have windows semantics (even fonts, filesystem, hardware, etc), windows style threads, windows style everything. libwine is merely an API, wine is much more. |
| 17:57.06 | abrotman | why don't i ever get yuengling ? |
| 17:57.14 | jhgastrich | Any hardware geeks here? I've got a BIOS question :-) |
| 17:57.19 | Ungy | abrotman cuase yoru not "that" special |
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| 17:57.22 | abrotman | jhgastrich: ask .. don't ask to ask |
| 17:57.29 | Ungy | jhgastrich, hels if you just ask |
| 17:57.30 | abrotman | Ungy: do you know what yuengling is? |
| 17:57.36 | afd_ | hi! where's the apache configuration directory in debian? |
| 17:57.47 | abrotman | afd_: /etc/apache/ or /etc/apache2/ |
| 17:57.51 | PerfDave | zinx: So what you're saying is that WINE is a frontend for an implementation of the Win32 API on Linux. Thanks for playing. |
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| 17:57.57 | Ungy | abrotman, nope but it sounds special |
| 17:58.00 | afd_ | abrotman: thx |
| 17:58.03 | abrotman | Ungy: PA beer |
| 17:58.14 | zinx | PerfDave: you're one of those guys with an overly-narrow definition of emulator |
| 17:58.19 | jhgastrich | Ok, other then Jumper 21 (mem reset) and removing the battery and waiting, is there any other way to reset a bios? |
| 17:58.27 | PerfDave | zinx: You're unecessarily anal. |
| 17:58.28 | zinx | PerfDave: i invite you to seek a dictionary |
| 17:58.39 | PerfDave | zinx: I invite you to seek a life :) |
| 17:58.46 | abrotman | jhgastrich: did you read the instructions? .. most say to put the jumper to the off position and power the machine on |
| 17:58.47 | mtnman | okay enough. |
| 17:58.48 | Ungy | Can't we all just get along |
| 17:58.50 | zinx | PerfDave: who's got the narrow definition of emulator here? generally i consider the more narrow to be anal, rather than the less :) |
| 17:59.01 | abrotman | but wine isn't an emulator |
| 17:59.05 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | zinx, I just use ZSNES |
| 17:59.06 | jhgastrich | The problem is I cant FIND the jumper, not all MB's have them |
| 17:59.08 | abrotman | bah .. now you've sucked me in |
| 17:59.09 | Ungy | PerfDave this is the second day in a row you have argued with someone for no reason |
| 17:59.11 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | to play super nintendo games |
| 17:59.12 | abrotman | jhgastrich: yes they do |
| 17:59.20 | PerfDave | zinx: I don't give a fuck whether WINE is an emulator by whatever definition you care to mention, but WINE say that Wine Is Not an Emulator, and that's good enough for me :) |
| 17:59.26 | jhgastrich | And waiting for the bios to reset is longer then I wish to wait |
| 17:59.28 | PerfDave | Ungy: I always have a reason. |
| 17:59.30 | zinx | PerfDave: haw |
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| 17:59.32 | abrotman | jhgastrich: what mobo? |
| 17:59.37 | Ungy | jhgastrich, jumperless mainboard? |
| 17:59.40 | zinx | PerfDave: acronyms are always right, just like the internet |
| 17:59.40 | abrotman | jhgastrich: they ALL have it |
| 17:59.43 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | excuse me, but I thought that an emulator emulated hardware |
| 17:59.48 | Ungy | jhgastrich, even jumperless still have the reset jumper |
| 17:59.52 | zinx | MR_MUSTARDHEAD: zsnes certainly does |
| 17:59.53 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | iirc, wine doesn't emulate x86 hardware |
| 17:59.58 | abrotman | emulators can emulate anything |
| 18:00.02 | PerfDave | zinx: I think that WINE have a right to say what their code is or does. If you disagree, fork it ;p |
| 18:00.05 | jhgastrich | No they all have pin 21, not all have a jumper... I found more then a few Microns that did not have any jumpers anywhere on the board |
| 18:00.12 | PerfDave | greycat: No, you emulate an OpenBSD user ;p |
| 18:00.13 | Eulex | windows api ain't hardware other than in m$'s dreams |
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| 18:00.22 | Thunder00 | where can i find new kernels for sarge? can i get them via apt-get ? how ? |
| 18:00.31 | PerfDave | Thunder00: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 18:00.31 | dondelelcaro | bob2: hrm... can you send me the output that it gave you? |
| 18:00.32 | abrotman | Thunder00: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 18:00.40 | Ungy | jhgastrich, ok well what is your question? |
| 18:00.56 | Eulex | Thunder00, define "new" |
| 18:00.57 | jhgastrich | I'm looking for a software hack to wipe a bios |
| 18:00.59 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | So how about that SCO? |
| 18:01.15 | abrotman | jhgastrich: unless it's embedded .. it has a jumper .. and if you still can't find it .. remove battery .. remove power cord .. wait 15 minutes |
| 18:01.16 | ke6isf | !sco |
| 18:01.16 | dpkg | i guess sco is Santa Cruz Operation, http://www.sco.com/, and also suing everyone over linux The SCO that's doing the suing is actually Caldera, renamed to SCO (The SCO Group). The original SCO (Santa Cruz Operation) went bankrupt years ago and became Tarantella. |
| 18:01.19 | Ungy | jhgastrich, and why do you want to wipe bios? |
| 18:01.28 | greycat | MR_MUSTARDHEAD: wooledge.org/~greg/scoexecs.png |
| 18:01.29 | jhgastrich | I've waited 9 hours so far |
| 18:01.31 | abrotman | MR_MUSTARDHEAD: don't you have anything better to do than troll #debian ? |
| 18:01.31 | zinx | MR_MUSTARDHEAD: contrary to popular "acronyms are perfect" belief, emulator means something that emulates; it doesn't have to be hardware |
| 18:01.50 | Thunder00 | <Eulex> 2.6.9 or later |
| 18:01.56 | jhgastrich | Ungy, because I need to wipe the bios :-) |
| 18:02.00 | asg | greycat: hah |
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| 18:02.19 | Ungy | jhgastrich, who is the motherboard manufacturer |
| 18:02.21 | Eulex | Thunder00, sarge, etch or sid? |
| 18:02.28 | Thunder00 | sarge |
| 18:02.33 | jhgastrich | Its an old dell |
| 18:02.37 | abrotman | Thunder00: sarge has 2.6.8 |
| 18:02.44 | jhgastrich | Not sure who made the board |
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| 18:02.53 | abrotman | jhgastrich: which model or service number? |
| 18:02.53 | asg | !qotd104 |
| 18:02.54 | dpkg | from memory, qotd104 is <overclocker> hi, i'n using x3270 to connect to a sco server, everithing works fine except the function keys, ideas? <asg> overclocker: do you have a license for the function keys? <overclocker> i just want to use the F-keys of my keyboard when i connect to the sco server, do i need a licence to do that? |
| 18:02.55 | nvz | damn this dosbox rules got tab completion, line yanking.. easy drive mounting |
| 18:02.56 | Eulex | Thunder00, get the 2.6.11 etch kernel from debian.org |
| 18:02.56 | Ungy | jhgastrich, pheonix bios then? |
| 18:02.58 | PerfDave | Thunder00: Sarge won't have any higher-versioned kernels, because it's released and only gets security updates. |
| 18:03.06 | jhgastrich | could be, but it doesnt LOOK like a phenox to me |
| 18:03.16 | abrotman | jhgastrich: also #hardware exists |
| 18:03.24 | asg | nvz: it's still DOS though |
| 18:03.25 | Thunder00 | Eulex: etch is testing ? |
| 18:03.26 | tarzeau | Thunder00: want 2.4.31 ? |
| 18:03.32 | greycat | abrotman: do they talk about hammers and pliers? |
| 18:03.32 | Eulex | Thunder00, ya |
| 18:03.32 | nvz | asg: heh, yeah I know |
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| 18:03.39 | Ungy | jhgastrich, when you boot up and hit f10 what do you see |
| 18:03.44 | abrotman | greycat: drills .. lots of drills |
| 18:03.50 | abrotman | !tell root about root |
| 18:03.51 | greycat | how phallic. |
| 18:03.56 | afd_ | how do I check which one of apache1 or apache2 is running on a server? |
| 18:04.03 | jhgastrich | Havnet tried F10 yet |
| 18:04.09 | tarzeau | afd_: check the http headers |
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| 18:04.15 | PerfDave | afd_: "dpkg -l apache\*" will tell you which you've got installed |
| 18:04.16 | greycat | afd_: echo -e "HEAD / HTTP/1.0\n" | nc theserver 80 |
| 18:04.16 | jhgastrich | Only did F2 to get into setup, and stoped by the password |
| 18:04.17 | tarzeau | afd_: or dpkg -l apache / dpkg -l apache2 |
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| 18:04.38 | asg | !kill the ice cream truck playing greensleeves |
| 18:04.40 | afd_ | tarzeau: there's both apache and apache2 in /etc |
| 18:04.42 | Thunder00 | i might need to upgrade to etch then |
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| 18:04.48 | greycat | only yahoo ignores HEAD and treats it as GET, because they're stupid. |
| 18:04.53 | Ungy | jhgastrich, I dunno I guess yoru screwed then |
| 18:04.55 | tarzeau | afd_: a system can run both |
| 18:05.08 | tarzeau | afd_: you know even on the same port (on different nics ;) |
| 18:05.10 | Ungy | greycat I do that too cause i am stupid |
| 18:05.18 | greycat | asg: I thought they always played turkey in the straw |
| 18:05.24 | afd_ | greycat: no host found |
| 18:05.30 | jhgastrich | likely |
| 18:05.32 | greycat | afd_: um. |
| 18:05.33 | afd_ | stupid me :) |
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| 18:05.36 | asg | greycat: this one has been playing Greensleeves for 15 minutes or so. |
| 18:05.45 | Ungy | afd_ ls /etc/apache |
| 18:05.46 | Eulex | you can telnet the webserver too :) |
| 18:05.52 | greycat | oh, yahoo doesn't spit out the whole front page on HEAD any more. that's good. |
| 18:05.57 | tarzeau | Eulex: both are not installed by default anymore |
| 18:06.05 | tarzeau | Eulex: the installer used to have telnet, now it has nc |
| 18:06.11 | Eulex | heh, ok |
| 18:06.14 | greycat | asg: someone should tell them that they're supposed to play children's songs, in MAJOR keys, not medieval ballads in minor keys. |
| 18:06.20 | tarzeau | Eulex: but nc sucks since it can't treat protocol of telnet |
| 18:06.24 | asg | greycat: though from my location inside, it brings back vague memories of Ultima III |
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| 18:07.06 | Xik0 | is there any how to to configure the apache web server in debian? |
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| 18:07.16 | asg | greycat: well, this is a college campus so maybe there is a non-happy-frilly music ordinance or somesuch. |
| 18:07.19 | abrotman | Xik0: configure for what? |
| 18:07.28 | greycat | what is this P3P: header that I'm getting from yahoo and microsoft? |
| 18:07.36 | Thunder00 | ok.. can anyone guide me on how to configure intel pro/wireless 2200BG for a laptop? |
| 18:07.45 | jhgastrich | Is there a working version of the 2.6.X kernel for Sparc yet? |
| 18:07.47 | abrotman | p2p is old news .. p3p 4evar |
| 18:07.51 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 18:07.52 | dpkg | well, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 18:07.59 | Technel | Okay, I tried install Apache2 and PHP5. It worked (sort of), but eventually I had to re-install them. I purged both, and installed them again (I am using unofficial packages). The problem becomes that I installed Apache2 and in apache2.conf, there is no information about mod_php5 like there was in the first install! |
| 18:08.09 | greycat | ah, privacy policy stuff. |
| 18:08.14 | asg | greycat: yeah |
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| 18:08.22 | greycat | stupid governments. |
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| 18:08.52 | tarzeau | Xik0: i use mcedit |
| 18:08.53 | apogee | hello |
| 18:08.54 | x-Al1gma | hello apogee |
| 18:08.56 | jhgastrich | cool |
| 18:09.02 | Eulex | Thunder00, ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 18:09.10 | LuPuZ | Need Help!! : Is there any person around willing to read my error i get when trying to boot with 2.6 kernel... Just upgraded with the kernel-image through Synaptic... Works great in 2.4 But needs to upgrade to 2.6 kernel so i can attach my digital camera through USB(got an error saying i need 2.6 kernel when trying in the gnome) So if someone can read and help me i would be very happy... Here comes the error that's on nop |
| 18:09.12 | apogee | I need HELP p-l-e-a-s-e |
| 18:09.16 | Ungy | Technel a2enmod php5? |
| 18:09.17 | Maulkin | Technel: Do a 'dpkg-reconfigure --force php5' |
| 18:09.20 | Eulex | apogee? wasn't that a company that made dos games? |
| 18:09.21 | dondelelcaro | !tell apogee -about ask |
| 18:09.28 | s_ward | !please apogee |
| 18:09.29 | ke6isf | brace for impact... |
| 18:09.31 | greycat | it's also an english word |
| 18:09.45 | s_ward | aww, could have been fun |
| 18:10.01 | Technel | Ungy: What..? |
| 18:10.02 | apogee | Debian was my f-i-r-s-t choice |
| 18:10.04 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: how do we get apt to tell root about root again? |
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| 18:10.19 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | !root |
| 18:10.19 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 18:10.22 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: iirc, it happens automatically still |
| 18:10.27 | Technel | Maulkin: Okay... |
| 18:10.28 | apogee | but i can't properly configure my S3 Virge adapter |
| 18:10.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: but apt doesn't scream ROOOOT has landed ... |
| 18:10.36 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | I compile programs as root all the time? |
| 18:10.39 | apogee | on proper resolution |
| 18:10.51 | MR_MUSTARDHEAD | I also run bitchX as root so it can have more power |
| 18:10.57 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 18:10.58 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@216-138-038-190.adams.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 18:10.58 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 18:11.01 | abrotman | kill him ... |
| 18:11.02 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 18:11.03 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thank you |
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| 18:11.12 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: FINISH HIM. |
| 18:11.22 | apogee | anyone toplisten to my problem //// |
| 18:11.23 | Eulex | apogee, what resolution do you get, what resolution do you want? |
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| 18:11.32 | abrotman | apogee: did oyu use the virge driver? |
| 18:11.33 | Maulkin | Technel: if that doesn't work, "dpkg-reconfigure --force libapache2-mod-php5" |
| 18:11.40 | greycat | S3 Virge?? |
| 18:11.40 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: that bit is annoying. I may need to change it for the new nick stuff, but it should be /msg'ing the offender privately |
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| 18:11.41 | greycat | !pal S3 Virge |
| 18:11.43 | apogee | I got 800x600 , |
| 18:11.47 | ke6isf | virge is a pretty old card. |
| 18:11.49 | Eulex | !drxx apogee |
| 18:11.52 | dpkg | apogee: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:11.56 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: hrm .. |
| 18:12.09 | Eulex | apogee, and select the resolutions you want when it asks you |
| 18:12.13 | apogee | [for graycat] these boxes are exclusively for Linux |
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| 18:12.42 | ke6isf | Does +b incorporate +q these days or something? |
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| 18:12.46 | apogee | my Windows system is ATHLON64 ,1GB,Radeon 6600 |
| 18:12.47 | greycat | are they going to be running X? If so, get something that sucks less than an S3 card! |
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| 18:12.57 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 18:12.57 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 18:13.08 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: +q has always been a +b with a leading % |
| 18:13.10 | stew | no msg from apt |
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| 18:13.17 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Ah, didn't know that. |
| 18:13.17 | fenrir | How do I set environment variables so they stay for every user? |
| 18:13.26 | dondelelcaro | (it just now shows the mode as a +b instead of previously showing it as a +q) |
| 18:13.27 | apogee | well , I finshed installation ,and tried to fix the resolution |
| 18:13.30 | greycat | !wikifaq fenrir DotFiles |
| 18:13.31 | dpkg | fenrir: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:13.32 | mrgenixus | can anyone tell me whcih compiler built the 2.6.11 kernel image |
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| 18:13.44 | Technel | Maulkin: The Apache2 config file doesn't seem to have changed :\ |
| 18:13.47 | Eulex | apogee, you listening to me? |
| 18:13.48 | asg | mrgenixus: cat /proc/version |
| 18:13.50 | dondelelcaro | mrgenixus: which 2.6.11 kernel image? |
| 18:13.50 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: no .. it does not |
| 18:13.51 | greycat | mrgenixus: boot it and run cat /proc/version |
| 18:13.55 | apogee | change it from 800x600,but don't knew how |
| 18:13.58 | Maulkin | Technel: Did you get the debconf screens? |
| 18:14.05 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: at least it didn't to me |
| 18:14.08 | apogee | tried xf86Config |
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| 18:14.15 | Eulex | apogee, I just told you how, but you seemed to ignore me |
| 18:14.16 | mrgenixus | dondelelcaro: the one opn the mirrors |
| 18:14.19 | fenrir | greycat: I'm trying to set my DISPLAY variable, I tried it in .bash_profile and .xsession no such luck, after I reboot it doesn't work |
| 18:14.20 | mrgenixus | the 386 version |
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| 18:14.25 | greycat | maybe the 800x600 is the BEST YOUR S3 CAN DO? |
| 18:14.25 | Technel | Maulkin: No, I copied the command in, and the command line came up again -- no errors, responses, nothing |
| 18:14.29 | mrgenixus | greycat: thanks |
| 18:14.30 | ke6isf | apogee: You know those lines of yellow text you see? That's probably people responding to you. Listen to the advice. |
| 18:14.32 | greycat | it's a HORRIBLE card. |
| 18:14.37 | apogee | I am sorryEulex please say again |
| 18:14.38 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: hrm... well, it does here. [+b %*!*@216-138-038-190.adams.net] |
| 18:14.42 | abrotman | s3 virge is better than trio |
| 18:14.43 | Maulkin | Technel: try "dpkg-reconfigure --force libapache2-mod-php5" |
| 18:14.47 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i meant the root notification :) |
| 18:14.51 | Eulex | !tell apogee about drxx |
| 18:14.58 | greycat | I've got one here in a drawer that I pulled out of a PC that had been thrown away WITH THE S3 VIRGE IN IT. They took out the RAM and the hard disk and left the video card. |
| 18:14.58 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: ah. |
| 18:15.04 | Technel | Maulkin: Nope... |
| 18:15.04 | Eulex | apogee, and select the resolutions you want when it asks you |
| 18:15.06 | apogee | yes Eulex I used the s3 Virge driver |
| 18:15.22 | cbr | how can i use packages in the experimental repo? |
| 18:15.23 | astronut | anyone know off the top of their head what valid special chars are in fat32 filenames? |
| 18:15.23 | Maulkin | Technel: try adding -plow to each of those |
| 18:15.28 | cbr | is there some howto? |
| 18:15.31 | abrotman | cbr: if you have to ask .. you don't |
| 18:15.36 | stew | Maulkin: low is the default |
| 18:15.36 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: does tim have to fix apt? |
| 18:15.38 | asg | !iyhtays cbr |
| 18:15.39 | dpkg | cbr: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
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| 18:15.54 | ke6isf | !beer asg |
| 18:15.57 | Technel | Maulkin: Nope :\ |
| 18:16.02 | Dyus | hi, how do I killl a process with the killall command if the command name has spaces in it and is longer than 15 chars? |
| 18:16.03 | cbr | there must be some experimental howto |
| 18:16.08 | cbr | i remember it |
| 18:16.11 | abrotman | see .. i never get those! |
| 18:16.12 | cbr | just cant find it |
| 18:16.12 | greycat | Dyus: grep, kill the PID. |
| 18:16.16 | greycat | pkill, pgrep |
| 18:16.19 | asg | Dyus: pkill |
| 18:16.20 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, I can fix dpkg... but that ROOOOT has landed thing is annoying, so I've got it turned off |
| 18:16.25 | Dyus | ths |
| 18:16.30 | Dyus | thx |
| 18:16.31 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah ok .. |
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| 18:16.37 | apogee | for Eulex & dpkg : I use the Xf86Config,within the Gnome graphic envronment |
| 18:16.38 | eeyore- | greycat: i've got an s3 virge with the (oooh) optional mpeg accelerator |
| 18:16.50 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: just that it keeps five people from going !tell root about root :) |
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| 18:17.13 | Maulkin | Technel: Erm... ok. Does the file /etc/apache2/modules.conf exist? |
| 18:17.21 | asg | eeyore-: 0000:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c775/86c785 [Trio 64V2/DX or /GX] (rev 16) (that one sucks balls as well.) |
| 18:17.31 | apogee | Eulex r u there ??? |
| 18:17.33 | stew | abrotman: i find that apt saying ROOOT actually incites people to !tell foo about root... |
| 18:17.37 | abrotman | asg: that's the worst |
| 18:17.38 | Ungy | abrotman why woudl you tell root about root |
| 18:17.49 | asg | abrotman: ii xserver-s3 3.3.6-44 |
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| 18:17.49 | abrotman | Ungy: because they can't speak here as root |
| 18:17.53 | eeyore- | nah, CGA is the worst by a long shot |
| 18:17.53 | Eulex | apogee, don't use xf86config, use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-sfree86, and yes I'm here |
| 18:17.53 | abrotman | asg: ewwww |
| 18:17.59 | Technel | Maulkin: No. |
| 18:18.05 | abrotman | stew: sometimes .. sometimes not |
| 18:18.06 | Maulkin | oh. |
| 18:18.07 | greycat | eeyore-: teletypes! |
| 18:18.14 | asg | abrotman: it actually will do 1024x768 but it doesn't like it. |
| 18:18.14 | ke6isf | Why not just set dpkg to warn them of the dangers of IRCing as root and +b% them? |
| 18:18.14 | eeyore- | static on the screen when you write to it ... ugly color |
| 18:18.16 | Ungy | abrotman ahh that is why I had to change my name |
| 18:18.17 | eeyore- | greycat: teletypes are *classic* |
| 18:18.17 | Maulkin | Anyone here actually use php with apache2? |
| 18:18.19 | abrotman | stew: once they learn that apt does it automagically .. they usually stop |
| 18:18.23 | Eulex | cga? ain't that 320x240 4 colors? |
| 18:18.27 | greycat | ke6isf: that *is* what we do. |
| 18:18.31 | ke6isf | Or can that be done easily? |
| 18:18.32 | eeyore- | greycat: CGA hasn't passed into "classic" phase yet :-) |
| 18:18.32 | abrotman | asg: more like a 3x678 ? |
| 18:18.32 | Technel | Maulkin: PHP5 |
| 18:18.37 | ke6isf | greycat: Ah, I see. |
| 18:18.41 | stew | ke6isf: the warning is just currently broken |
| 18:18.42 | asg | eeyore-: xterm -fg orange |
| 18:18.47 | ke6isf | stew: I'm thinking a /msg though. |
| 18:18.47 | abrotman | Eulex: 16 colors iirc |
| 18:18.53 | eeyore- | Eulex: four UGLY colors |
| 18:18.59 | stew | ke6isf: yes, that's how it worked previously |
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| 18:19.14 | eeyore- | Eulex: don't forget the free snow :-) |
| 18:19.14 | ke6isf | stew: This I didn't know. Then again, I don't run IRC as root for a reason. =^^= |
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| 18:19.16 | apogee | for dkg ;where do I Type dpkg_reconfigure......within a gnome terminal ? |
| 18:19.16 | LuPuZ | noone have time to look at my boot error? |
| 18:19.19 | LuPuZ | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/zh4XsX72.html |
| 18:19.19 | abrotman | can you imagine saving up all your money to show .. 4 damn colors |
| 18:19.22 | Eulex | eeyore-, yep, black, white, lila and bright blue |
| 18:19.27 | Eulex | iirc |
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| 18:19.28 | stew | apogee: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 18:19.38 | Maulkin | Technel: Not sure. If no one else can help you here, try http://lists.debian.org/debian-user |
| 18:19.45 | asg | abrotman: I saved up all my money so I could have 48K in my Atari 800 |
| 18:19.55 | abrotman | asg: but you're british |
| 18:19.56 | cbr | was it apt-get install package/experimental ? |
| 18:20.01 | asg | abrotman: but I was here at the time. |
| 18:20.15 | ke6isf | !tell cbr -about iyhtays |
| 18:20.18 | abrotman | cbr: really .. don't use experimental .. what could you possibly want out of experimetnal ? |
| 18:20.19 | asg | cbr: go read the debian reference, it might have information in there. |
| 18:20.28 | Technel | Maulkin: Is there a way to COMPLETELY remove Apache2, PHP5, lib-apache2-php5, php5-mysql, etc. so that all of the config files are gone and everything and when I reinstall I don't have to do --with-config or whatever the command is? So it is as though it was never installed |
| 18:20.34 | abrotman | i want newer, brokener stuff! |
| 18:20.38 | apogee | eulex thanks ,but please where should Itype this ???? within gnome in a terminal as root ...or in console without X loaded ...how do I boot WITHOUT X???? |
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| 18:20.49 | cbr | abrotman: i want to try initng |
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| 18:20.51 | greycat | apogee: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 18:21.07 | Maulkin | Technel: It should be by using --purge |
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| 18:21.16 | Eulex | apogee, as root, in a terminal or console |
| 18:21.18 | abrotman | cbr: are you sure about that? .. your system might not boot anymore |
| 18:21.23 | Maulkin | But that's a touchy sugject :) |
| 18:21.39 | cbr | abrotman: then i just need to edit the kernel line for it to use sysvinit again |
| 18:21.47 | Technel | Maulkin: I have done "aptitude purge apache2 php5 etc", but the config files still exist and the install still goes incorrectly |
| 18:21.55 | abrotman | cbr: what are you currently running ? sarge? |
| 18:21.57 | greycat | maybe aptitude's broken? |
| 18:21.59 | greycat | *shrug* |
| 18:22.01 | Eulex | Technel, what config files? |
| 18:22.02 | cbr | abrotman: sid |
| 18:22.04 | apogee | thank you very much Eulex & and all |
| 18:22.12 | abrotman | cbr: how did you get on sid, but don't know how to use experimental? |
| 18:22.15 | Technel | Eulex: Such as the PHP config file, apache2.conf, etc. |
| 18:22.19 | Eulex | apogee, working? |
| 18:22.32 | Eulex | Technel, hmm |
| 18:22.39 | abrotman | cbr: you did read this http://packages.debian.org/experimental/admin/initng .. right? |
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| 18:22.43 | cbr | abrotman: i dont know it by heart, mkay.. anyway i got it already |
| 18:22.43 | apogee | system was formatted and Suse installed ...I 'll try again |
| 18:22.48 | cbr | abrotman: yes |
| 18:22.54 | sussudio | http://www.alexgrantz.com/images/humor/badger2.jpg |
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| 18:23.32 | abrotman | sussudio: that's what i look like in the morning |
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| 18:24.06 | grendal_prime | hey..this is probably stupid but what is char/rtc.ko module and why does it error on every debian boot up i have ever seen? |
| 18:24.15 | Eulex | apogee, what do you mean? you tried doing this on suse? :) |
| 18:24.22 | goccia | strong personality as a badger |
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| 18:24.28 | tarzeau | i couldn't build 3ware (9000) controller drivers , and qc-usb-modules didn't work either. anyone feel like helping? |
| 18:24.29 | mrgenixus | ukican anyone tell me which kernle modules vmware loads |
| 18:24.40 | abrotman | !aid tarzeau |
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| 18:25.01 | apogee | Eulex I mean I formatted the system and installed Suse temporarily...no I don't try this on Suse... |
| 18:25.13 | apogee | but I want touse Debian... |
| 18:25.34 | apogee | because it is my FIRST choice... |
| 18:25.46 | apogee | I have 2 identical boxes.... |
| 18:26.07 | apogee | and gonna install debian now....on the other...again !!! |
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| 18:26.16 | drac | Good for you. |
| 18:26.24 | sn00p | hello again |
| 18:26.41 | sn00p | i lost all dats ... con u tell me again what |
| 18:26.45 | tarzeau | hi cbr |
| 18:26.49 | MattGideon | Can anyone suggest why I am getting "no termcap entry for xterm" when I run irc? |
| 18:26.52 | sn00p | i had to wirte to the bot? |
| 18:26.58 | cbr | greycat: is discover installed by default on every debian box? |
| 18:27.05 | tarzeau | MattGideon: $TERM = what? |
| 18:27.12 | greycat | cbr: not woody or earlier. |
| 18:27.16 | tarzeau | MattGideon: what terminal or console? system=linux?kfreebsd?hurd? |
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| 18:27.26 | sn00p | to find out how to edit mix x-server's resolution |
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| 18:27.29 | cbr | greycat: but every sarge+ box uses it by default? |
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| 18:27.36 | greycat | cbr: I believe so, yes |
| 18:27.40 | greycat | cbr: why? |
| 18:27.45 | MattGideon | tarz: I run xterm and then irc from within xterm |
| 18:27.52 | Eulex | !drxx sn00p |
| 18:27.52 | cbr | greycat: thanks |
| 18:27.53 | dpkg | sn00p: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:27.56 | tarzeau | MattGideon: ircclient= ? |
| 18:28.05 | northbayrep | can anyone tell me how to start ntp-server automatically? i installed it and it worked for one session, but now i don't know how to start it again and have it start every time the system does. |
| 18:28.10 | sn00p | tks |
| 18:28.15 | greycat | northbayrep: install ntpdate also. |
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| 18:28.30 | northbayrep | k. |
| 18:28.34 | MattGideon | ircII |
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| 18:28.54 | grendal_prime | hey..this is probably stupid but what is char/rtc.ko module and why does it error on every debian boot up i have ever seen? |
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| 18:29.17 | grendal_prime | google turns up a bunch of crap on the subject and nothing in particular |
| 18:29.19 | abrotman | !rtc |
| 18:29.19 | dpkg | i guess rtc is Real Time Clock. This is necessary for SMP machines but quite useless for UP purposes (unless you read on how to use it). Disable RTC in the kernel if you get "clock skew detected" while building the kernel or anything which uses 'make'. |
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| 18:30.09 | grendal_prime | anyway to get rid of it? |
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| 18:30.12 | apogee | Eulex...thanks.....because I have to install I have to stay silent for sometime..I have to switch the keyb mouse & screen to install...wont log out however... |
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| 18:30.16 | grendal_prime | like with module-assistant? |
| 18:30.25 | apogee | talkto u later...thanks again |
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| 18:31.15 | MattGideon | greycat: good to see you again |
| 18:31.21 | greycat | grendal_prime: you get a *.ko error on every debian boot you've *ever* seen? in your life? My god. That's sad. Your whole life has consisted of Linux 2.6. |
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| 18:31.40 | asuffield | which makes him about three years old |
| 18:31.58 | nunez | how do I stop my whole box from slowing down when im writing to a disk at 1MB/sec while downloading? |
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| 18:32.28 | asuffield | nunez: get less shitty disks. or stop using PIO mode |
| 18:32.32 | mentor | nunez: hdparm? |
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| 18:32.42 | grendal_prime | well 2.6 was the reason i went to debian in the first place so ya...your right |
| 18:32.48 | nunez | asuffield: I have good hardware |
| 18:32.53 | [YAbbA] | Anyone know a hp where i can put a image to show you guys so you maybe can help me with a very strange problem ? |
| 18:32.56 | abrotman | grendal_prime: you're |
| 18:32.56 | asuffield | nunez: not at those speeds you don't |
| 18:33.11 | grendal_prime | i got sick of having to do an entire distro upgrade with fedora on the 2.4 machines |
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| 18:33.20 | nunez | asuffield: Thats why I'm asking, if I was using a shitting box then I would already know my answer |
| 18:33.27 | grendal_prime | said forget this....debian pkg manager was much more flexible |
| 18:33.29 | aaron__ | can someone tell me where 'session' is in gnome? want to change to XFCE |
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| 18:33.45 | mentor | aaron__: in GNOME? or gdm? |
| 18:33.46 | nunez | asuffield: This box is a 3.2ghz, 2gigs of ram with 400gigs |
| 18:33.59 | aaron__ | oh i remember now, nm ty |
| 18:34.04 | grendal_prime | abrotman, thanks for the grammer correction |
| 18:34.06 | asuffield | none of which determines the quality of the disk controller |
| 18:34.17 | abrotman | grendal_prime: grammar |
| 18:34.29 | nunez | asuffield: How do I find out what disk controller I have? |
| 18:34.30 | grendal_prime | anyway, i was just wondering if there ? NO SHIT??? |
| 18:34.33 | nunez | where in /proc is it? |
| 18:34.38 | grendal_prime | GRAMMAR? |
| 18:34.39 | abrotman | lspci ? |
| 18:34.39 | mentor | nunez: lspci? |
| 18:34.44 | MattGideon | My mouse has broken. As a temporary fix, is there some way to use keys to move the mouse? |
| 18:34.44 | abrotman | grendal_prime: dictionary.com |
| 18:34.48 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 18:35.08 | nunez | 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) Ultra ATA 100 Storage Controller (rev 02) |
| 18:35.11 | nunez | 0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB (ICH5) Serial ATA 150 Storage Controller (rev 02) |
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| 18:35.17 | bier_ | does anybody know what this is: "6143 bier 25 0 2628 1348 876 R 99.3 0.3 51:35.63 gam_server" (copied from 'top', 99.3% -> CPU usage)... never heard about "gam_server" before?! |
| 18:35.30 | grendal_prime | anywhoo...can it be removed the boot sequence or...is it actually something that is compiled into the pacakged kernels by default |
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| 18:35.33 | northbayrep | greycat, thanks for the ntpdate tip. now i'm all synchronized. |
| 18:35.41 | asuffield | probably using generic_ide or something, instead of the ich5 driver |
| 18:35.47 | bier_ | i just killed it... but i'd like to know what it is/was |
| 18:35.47 | ryoohki | how can i force the addition and removal of .debs? in rpm it would be "rpm --force --nodeps" |
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| 18:35.54 | vitriol | anybody know how to tell what inf file to supply ndiswrapper to get a wireless card working? |
| 18:35.55 | nunez | asuffield: I dont believe SATA is that slow |
| 18:36.00 | mentor | nunez: Careful with pasting stuff to channel |
| 18:36.17 | vitriol | Network controller: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown device 4318 (rev 02) |
| 18:36.18 | tarzeau | in a irssi, in a gnu screen on a xterm. why would alt-a give me á and not switch to the pink window (on some hosts)? |
| 18:36.19 | asuffield | nunez: if you're using the SATA controller then something is badly broken |
| 18:36.21 | nunez | mentor: it was small, I made sure it wasnt too big |
| 18:36.24 | abrotman | ryoohki: man dpkg |
| 18:36.31 | mentor | nunez: Indeed, but the SATA to processor interface might be that slow |
| 18:36.35 | mentor | nunez: yeah :) |
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| 18:36.42 | ryoohki | abrotman: where i looked first |
| 18:36.44 | abrotman | vitriol: update-pciids |
| 18:36.46 | vitriol | i get alot of 'Uknown device' messages from lspci cause my chipset is so new ... |
| 18:36.49 | asuffield | mentor: should be around 30Mb/s, something's fucked |
| 18:36.54 | PerfDave | The pink window? |
| 18:36.54 | nunez | mentor: how can I go about checking that? |
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| 18:37.00 | tarzeau | bier_: some game server? can you find the binary, using /proc before you killed it? |
| 18:37.01 | abrotman | !pciids |
| 18:37.01 | dpkg | it has been said that pciids is run update-pciids or see http://pciids.sourceforge.net/, or run update-pciids to update your PCI ID database, if your lspci output shows "unknown device" |
| 18:37.01 | vitriol | abrotman: thanks i'll tr that |
| 18:37.08 | nunez | asuffield: Well, im downloading at 1MB/sec and it slows my computer to shit |
| 18:37.21 | asuffield | nunez: like I said, something's badly broken |
| 18:37.23 | abrotman | vitriol: update-usbids also exists |
| 18:37.31 | bier_ | tarzeau: i found a binary, /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server |
| 18:37.38 | nunez | asuffield: I can probably move shit that fast, but it makes my computer 90% in use |
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| 18:37.49 | abrotman | nunez: is it sata? |
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| 18:37.54 | mentor | nunez: hmmm...I would start by checking which driver is being used (as said), then check how it's configuyred with hdparm, and then try some benchmarking to see if it actually disk being htat slow. |
| 18:37.54 | nunez | abrotman: yeah |
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| 18:38.00 | vitriol | abrotman: thank you! you've just saved me a major headache |
| 18:38.02 | abrotman | nunez: is it a Sil chipset? |
| 18:38.14 | abrotman | vitriol: no problem |
| 18:38.17 | asuffield | ich controllers have always been processor hogs. but 1Mb/s is not enough to cause that unless it's boned |
| 18:38.21 | abrotman | nunez: lspci .. check |
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| 18:38.34 | asuffield | abrotman: nah, it's ich5 |
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| 18:38.46 | ezsquirt | what does the capital "A" means in aptitude, manual does not say anything about it |
| 18:38.47 | SpinX | i get quotatool: Error while detecting kernel quota version: No such process |
| 18:38.52 | abrotman | oh .. nm .. thought it might be sata_sil.c blacklist crap |
| 18:38.52 | tarzeau | bier_: dpkg -S /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server says anythign? |
| 18:38.54 | SpinX | when im trying to set user quotas.. via quotatool |
| 18:38.57 | nunez | ICH5 |
| 18:39.12 | mentor | ezsquirt: Automatic |
| 18:39.18 | bier_ | tarzeau: yes, it does: gamin: /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server |
| 18:39.19 | nunez | mentor: How would I check what driver is being used? |
| 18:39.32 | tarzeau | bier_: try apt-cache show gamin |
| 18:39.32 | mentor | nunez: lsmod woudl be a good start, then maybe sysfs? |
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| 18:39.38 | ezsquirt | fn~mentor: What's that ? |
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| 18:39.42 | nunez | 0000:03:04.0 RAID bus controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20378 (FastTrak 378/SATA 378) (rev 02) |
| 18:39.42 | lildude | how do you enamble cookes on kde |
| 18:39.49 | lildude | change browser>? |
| 18:39.51 | tarzeau | bier_: you use gnome? |
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| 18:40.23 | bier_ | tarzeau: no, but i use xfce... |
| 18:40.27 | mentor | ezsquirt: |
| 18:40.29 | mentor | feh |
| 18:40.39 | greycat | !pal GNOME users |
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| 18:40.42 | abrotman | asuffield: that's ich5 ? |
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| 18:41.03 | asuffield | abrotman: no, obviously he didn't paste everything earlier and has two controllers |
| 18:41.12 | asuffield | so it might be fasttrack which is crapper |
| 18:41.13 | nunez | mentor: I see, ide_generic, ide_disk, ide_core, ata_piix, scsi_mod, sata_promise |
| 18:41.15 | asuffield | but it's still not that crap |
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| 18:41.28 | abrotman | asuffield: if he's using RAID0/1 with that fasttrack .. isn't that software raid ? |
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| 18:41.36 | asuffield | abrotman: pretty much |
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| 18:41.52 | abrotman | asuffield: and uber crappy? :) |
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| 18:41.57 | asuffield | abrotman: not *that* crappy |
| 18:42.02 | MattGideon | greycat: Have you any ideas on working round a broken mouse? |
| 18:42.03 | asuffield | abrotman: should be ten times that fast at least |
| 18:42.06 | abrotman | asuffield: right .. only sil3112 is worse :) |
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| 18:42.24 | mentor | nunez: How many SATA controllers do you have? |
| 18:42.27 | bier_ | tarzeau: thx for your help, i think i can find the rest for myself with google :) i just did not know what it is... my first action was "apt-get install chkrootkit" ;) |
| 18:42.33 | abrotman | doesn't iostat give out read/write through put ? |
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| 18:42.37 | abrotman | throughput |
| 18:42.42 | nunez | mentor: I'm not sure, but I believe 1, I have 2 internel HDs |
| 18:42.42 | Schmock | hi! which programm can open skz-files? |
| 18:42.53 | mentor | ezsquirt: I suspect the aptitude reference manual would be the place to look, as mentioned in the man page :) |
| 18:43.00 | Eulex | Schmock, what's skz? |
| 18:43.02 | abrotman | nunez: use pastebin.ca .. paste the entire output of lspci .. please |
| 18:43.24 | The_Ultimate_Sam | how do you combine rar files? |
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| 18:43.32 | Schmock | i download the liquid weather plugin, and its skz |
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| 18:43.50 | Schmock | it's supposed to be a zip file O_o |
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| 18:44.10 | tarzeau | The_Ultimate_Sam: combine=create ? |
| 18:44.10 | ezsquirt | mentor: manual does not document "A" but i get the idea, thanx mate |
| 18:44.21 | Eulex | Schmock, nah, nothing should be zipped on linux |
| 18:44.26 | tarzeau | Schmock: what says file your.skz ? |
| 18:44.31 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i have a bunch of parts of a rar but im not sure how i make them into one file |
| 18:44.43 | tarzeau | The_Ultimate_Sam: unrar them first and create a new rar |
| 18:44.50 | Schmock | i tried it with ark |
| 18:44.54 | Schmock | hmm mom |
| 18:44.55 | mentor | ezsquirt: Yeah, I meant for further information... :) |
| 18:45.00 | The_Ultimate_Sam | it dosent work they are all the same file |
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| 18:45.07 | The_Ultimate_Sam | and ask wont overwrite |
| 18:45.18 | The_Ultimate_Sam | and i dont want it to overwrite either |
| 18:45.21 | tarzeau | The_Ultimate_Sam: what command did you use? |
| 18:45.36 | nunez | http://pastebin.ca/20183 |
| 18:45.43 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i used the gui and pressed extract |
| 18:46.05 | Eulex | bah, I just found the answer to Schmock, and then he leaves! >o |
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| 18:46.28 | MattGideon | Eulex: There's no justice |
| 18:46.39 | tarzeau | The_Ultimate_Sam: which gui? |
| 18:46.42 | Schmock | i accidently closed the console^^ |
| 18:46.46 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ask |
| 18:46.48 | tarzeau | The_Ultimate_Sam: then the gui is shit, because it can't do multi file rar |
| 18:46.58 | Eulex | Schmock, http://netdragon.sourceforge.net/release_notes_0_37.html |
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| 18:47.00 | tarzeau | Schmock: we noticed, you want to learn gnu screen |
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| 18:47.26 | tarzeau | "Using Linux and it's programs" awww that just hurts my eyes |
| 18:47.32 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i suppose. its ark ive not noticed any other compression device |
| 18:48.05 | tarzeau | The_Ultimate_Sam: try in that black window "xterm", unrar x your.rar |
| 18:48.10 | tech9iner | k.. |
| 18:48.11 | tech9iner | hmmm |
| 18:48.18 | tech9iner | never had this issue before .. |
| 18:48.30 | The_Ultimate_Sam | u mean the console |
| 18:48.32 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ? |
| 18:48.35 | tech9iner | runnig 98se on vmware on sarge and i can quickly load google.com.. |
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| 18:48.41 | tarzeau | The_Ultimate_Sam: yes |
| 18:48.50 | tech9iner | but thusfar all other sites dont seem to load rite? |
| 18:49.13 | tech9iner | no clue.. been using vmware a yr now on many pc's.. never seen this before |
| 18:49.23 | Schmock | hmmm but i can't open that skz file with superkaramba... |
| 18:49.25 | tech9iner | pings are running max 45ms latency? |
| 18:49.25 | nunez | abrotman: did you see the link? |
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| 18:49.34 | tech9iner | ThingzThatMakeYouWannaSay.... Hmmmmm!?!..... ;] |
| 18:49.53 | abrotman | nunez: no |
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| 18:50.05 | abrotman | found it |
| 18:50.06 | tech9iner | i can ping any url.. but eville windBLOWz iexplorer doesnt like anything sans google.com? |
| 18:50.34 | abrotman | tech9iner: get the quote right! |
| 18:50.35 | The_Ultimate_Sam | xterm: bad command line option "unrar" |
| 18:50.43 | abrotman | nunez: oyu need more stuff in the computer |
| 18:50.58 | tarzeau | The_Ultimate_Sam: try -x |
| 18:51.02 | tech9iner | riiiiite.. top priority.. yessir yessir bosshog ;] |
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| 18:51.11 | tech9iner | in other words |
| 18:51.12 | Thunder00 | is there a package for ipw2200 ? |
| 18:51.20 | abrotman | nunez: yout have two sata controllers .. what if you try the other one ? |
| 18:51.21 | tech9iner | heh |
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| 18:51.32 | abrotman | !tell Thunder00 about ipw2200 |
| 18:51.34 | Eulex | Schmock, that was anew feature in 0.37, and debian has 0.36 |
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| 18:51.53 | The_Ultimate_Sam | same |
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| 18:52.33 | The_Ultimate_Sam | xterm [-/+132] [-C] [-Sccn] [-T string] [-/+ah] [-/+ai] [-/+aw] |
| 18:52.34 | The_Ultimate_Sam | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.34 | The_Ultimate_Sam | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.34 | The_Ultimate_Sam | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.34 | The_Ultimate_Sam | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.34 | The_Ultimate_Sam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:52.37 | abrotman | !tell Thunder00 about ipw2100 |
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| 18:53.02 | The_Ultimate_Sam | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.04 | The_Ultimate_Sam | oops |
| 18:53.05 | abrotman | wow |
| 18:53.08 | The_Ultimate_Sam | didnt think it would paste like that |
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| 18:53.22 | abrotman | The_Ultimate_Sam: thought maybe it'd paste in 3d? |
| 18:53.24 | Schmock | oh ok thanks |
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| 18:53.32 | MattGideon | abro: lol |
| 18:53.37 | The_Ultimate_Sam | thought it would be one big block |
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| 18:53.46 | The_Ultimate_Sam | not a bunch of small ones |
| 18:53.50 | stew | The_Ultimate_Sam: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:53.56 | Womble2 | Is it fairly safe to enable kernel preemption in 2.6.11? Are there any common drivers that aren't preempt-safe? |
| 18:54.21 | briankeys | I believe I have to patch my kernel with the adv. networking patches by Julian Anastov. By patch, it means i patch the source code, then recompile? |
| 18:54.21 | The_Ultimate_Sam | well im trying to combine rar files |
| 18:54.25 | stew | The_Ultimate_Sam: unrar x foo.rar |
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| 18:54.27 | tarzeau | Womble2: yes, probably not |
| 18:54.34 | tarzeau | stew: it's -x |
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| 18:55.35 | MattGideon | tarz: Can I configure X to move the mouse pointer by keys? |
| 18:55.35 | abrotman | Womble2: iirc .. it's basically worthless now |
| 18:55.43 | tarzeau | MattGideon: yes |
| 18:55.45 | abrotman | MattGideon: you need to fix your tab completion |
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| 18:56.09 | nunez | abrotman: How do I try the other one? |
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| 18:56.19 | Womble2 | abrotman: Why's that? |
| 18:56.21 | abrotman | nunez: move the cables? .. is it a RAID setup ? |
| 18:56.21 | stew | tarzeau: no, its x |
| 18:56.22 | MattGideon | Not sure my client has that feature abro |
| 18:56.24 | The_Ultimate_Sam | oh hey its working |
| 18:56.30 | The_Ultimate_Sam | yay |
| 18:56.32 | abrotman | Womble2: my understanding was that the preempt kernel makes things worse |
| 18:56.36 | abrotman | at least at this point |
| 18:56.40 | abrotman | Womble2: i'd ask #kernel |
| 18:56.55 | The_Ultimate_Sam | thank you danke shoen arigatou gozaimasu |
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| 18:57.05 | rasp1 | Can I get some help compiling a nic driver? |
| 18:57.11 | abrotman | gotta ask |
| 18:57.11 | nunez | abrotman: I'm not exactly sure, Its an alienware computer |
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| 18:57.32 | abrotman | nunez: how do you not know if your system is raid? |
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| 18:57.53 | MattGideon | tarz: Can you describe how to do it? |
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| 18:58.30 | tarzeau | stew: it's -x for my unrar |
| 18:58.53 | tarzeau | rasp1: for which kernel/nic? |
| 18:59.13 | tarzeau | MattGideon: type tarz then hit tabulator key, then some letter and then enter |
| 18:59.18 | cbr | why are both discover and hotplug ran on boot? |
| 18:59.22 | cbr | isnt one of them enough? |
| 18:59.30 | tarzeau | MattGideon: shift-numlock key and then the numlock numbers |
| 18:59.32 | rasp1 | Debian sarge/realtek 8169 |
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| 18:59.42 | tarzeau | rasp1: that should just work |
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| 19:00.03 | stew | unrar: 3.5.2-0.1 here |
| 19:00.07 | rasp1 | downloaded the source and followed the directions, but gave me a Error 2 upon doing make |
| 19:00.13 | abrotman | cbr: not really .. read the descriptions for each |
| 19:00.52 | stew | tarzeau: so its unrar x for the unrar package in sarge/etc/sid |
| 19:00.56 | stew | etch* |
| 19:01.03 | tech9iner | okay mates.. anyone perchance ran iexplorer on 98se on vmware on sarge.. |
| 19:01.12 | tech9iner | and found that InternetExplorer could pop google.com |
| 19:01.13 | tarzeau | stew: i've got unrar 0.0.1-1 and it's -x |
| 19:01.14 | tech9iner | and.. |
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| 19:01.21 | cbr | abrotman: but doesnt hotplug load all the modules that discover does? |
| 19:01.22 | tech9iner | run searches on google normally |
| 19:01.24 | rasp1 | tarzeau: would unzipping it with winzip make a difference? That is the only thing I could think of. |
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| 19:01.29 | abrotman | cbr: not really .. read the descriptions for each |
| 19:01.33 | tech9iner | but try to load any other links from results.. |
| 19:01.36 | cbr | abrotman: i did |
| 19:01.44 | tech9iner | much less type in yahoo.com and try to surf to it.. |
| 19:01.57 | cbr | abrotman: so it's mandatory to run them both? |
| 19:01.57 | tarzeau | rasp1: do you have your kernel headers? uname -a says what? |
| 19:01.57 | MattGideon | tarzeau: Okay that works but I need some speed. Can I speed it up? |
| 19:02.08 | tarzeau | MattGideon: haha, don't use zip/rar. use gzip |
| 19:02.11 | tech9iner | and it just slugs ever so slowly.. not enough patience here to see if it can ever load any page sans google.com?? |
| 19:02.12 | tarzeau | MattGideon: or lzop |
| 19:02.14 | tech9iner | any clues mates? |
| 19:02.29 | tech9iner | a your of vmware and never seen this before ? |
| 19:02.33 | tech9iner | dammit |
| 19:02.43 | tech9iner | a your/year |
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| 19:02.54 | tech9iner | fckg windBLOWz |
| 19:03.03 | Womble2 | tech9iner: This isn't #vmware, #windows or #iexplore so maybe you'd better ask elsewhere |
| 19:03.17 | briankeys | omg /join #iexplore |
| 19:03.30 | abrotman | cbr: they don't do the same thing |
| 19:03.46 | cbr | abrotman: imho they do.. discover loads modules on startup, so does hotplug |
| 19:03.50 | MattGideon | tarzeau: Not using rar. I am trying to move the mouse pointer |
| 19:03.53 | tech9iner | maw!!??.. zat you!??! rofl.. Womble2 couldnt a guessed without your sardonic generosity chum.. rofl |
| 19:03.57 | abrotman | cbr: then do whatever you want .. |
| 19:04.06 | rasp1 | Linux array1 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:04.07 | tarzeau | MattGideon: aww sorry, well get a mouse ;) |
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| 19:04.10 | abrotman | cbr: if your shit stops work .. don't fucking cry |
| 19:04.16 | Womble2 | tech9iner: You have tried rebooting the VM, I take it? |
| 19:04.17 | tech9iner | but Womble2 it IS sarge and thus asking in case a sarge mate's been down that road |
| 19:04.19 | tarzeau | MattGideon: or press the keys faster, set them to react faster using xset |
| 19:04.28 | tech9iner | why yes.. i have Womble2 .. thanks |
| 19:04.44 | einsteinmg | anyone interestet in an wrapper arround cryptsetup/losetup/mount? |
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| 19:04.45 | abrotman | cbr: but you should really read the damn descriptions |
| 19:04.46 | tech9iner | i can even ping nicely any URL too? |
| 19:04.51 | tech9iner | weird chit mates |
| 19:04.59 | nunez | abrotman: naw, its not a RAID |
| 19:05.01 | Womble2 | tech9iner: Cleared the cache? |
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| 19:05.13 | cbr | abrotman: stop talking behind the corner and say what's so damn controversial in the descriptions |
| 19:05.13 | abrotman | nunez: you might be able to just move the cable and boot .. |
| 19:05.16 | rasp1 | tarzeau: when I do make clean modules in the folder I get this error. |
| 19:05.21 | rasp1 | Entering an unknown directorymake: Leaving an unknown directorymake[1]: *** [modules] Error 2 |
| 19:05.23 | tech9iner | nada Womble2 .. appreciate the idea though ;] |
| 19:05.25 | bitshifty | i want to install debian via floppy discs. in the "floppy" folder on the debian ftp server, there is a folder called "access". |
| 19:05.33 | tarzeau | rasp1: did you install the kernel-headers package for your kernel? |
| 19:05.34 | nunez | abrotman: What cable do I have to move? |
| 19:05.36 | dogwater | does anyone know how to create an initrd file when you create a new kernel |
| 19:05.37 | bitshifty | do i want the files in the floppy folder, or in the access folder? |
| 19:05.41 | tarzeau | bitshifty: i386? |
| 19:05.46 | bitshifty | yes. |
| 19:05.47 | rasp1 | tarzeau: what is that? |
| 19:05.47 | abrotman | cbr: you obviously didn't read them .. or you would clearly understand the differences |
| 19:05.51 | tarzeau | bitshifty: which network card? |
| 19:05.52 | abrotman | nunez: the sata cable? |
| 19:06.02 | abrotman | how do you get an alienware pc and not know what a drive cable is ? |
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| 19:06.08 | tarzeau | rasp1: a package that you need, when you want to compile driver sources |
| 19:06.24 | bitshifty | tarzeau, do you want to know what the hardware is? |
| 19:06.25 | nunez | abrotman: I know that, but where do I move it to? Into what new place? |
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| 19:06.29 | rasp1 | tarzeau: what is the apt-get name? |
| 19:06.29 | tech9iner | JHChrist!! .. |
| 19:06.32 | tarzeau | bitshifty: no only the network card |
| 19:06.34 | abrotman | my god .. jsut reading the description for hotplug should be enough to show the difference |
| 19:06.38 | cbr | abrotman: but hotplug loads modules on startup too.. modules for PCI cards.. like discover |
| 19:06.39 | tarzeau | rasp1: what was the kernel again? uname -a |
| 19:06.43 | abrotman | nunez: are there the same connectors on the mobo ? |
| 19:06.45 | tech9iner | clearing cache in InternetExplorer is in options and 'delete files' button yes?.. |
| 19:06.46 | tech9iner | rofl |
| 19:06.51 | bitshifty | tarzeau, i don't understand what you mean. |
| 19:06.55 | abrotman | cbr: read the description for hotplug .. again |
| 19:07.02 | tarzeau | bitshifty: you have a network card, right? |
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| 19:07.03 | tech9iner | been just long enough since running windBLOWz ive almost forgot hehe |
| 19:07.14 | abrotman | cbr: try it .. come back and let me know how it works out for you |
| 19:07.16 | bitshifty | tarzeau, installed in the computer? yes. |
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| 19:07.26 | abrotman | cbr: which one will you remove ? |
| 19:07.28 | tarzeau | bitshifty: who is the manufacturer of that network card? |
| 19:07.33 | cbr | abrotman: i'd remove discover |
| 19:07.36 | nunez | abrotman: gotta shut this down and try it out, thanks for the help |
| 19:07.40 | bitshifty | tarzeau, i do not know. |
| 19:07.40 | tarzeau | bitshifty: you really don't have a cd-rom drive? |
| 19:07.41 | cbr | because hotplug already does what discover does |
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| 19:07.45 | abrotman | cbr: ok .. now do it .. and reboot .. let me know what happens ok ? |
| 19:07.51 | tarzeau | bitshifty: can you open the computer and look what is written on it? |
| 19:07.55 | abrotman | cbr: no .. it doesn't |
| 19:07.55 | tarzeau | bitshifty: or run "lspci" |
| 19:07.57 | bitshifty | tarzeau, my cd rom drive is being a pain in the ass |
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| 19:08.03 | tarzeau | bitshifty: replace it? |
| 19:08.06 | tech9iner | wtf? |
| 19:08.17 | Makki | How do I trigger a reload of SCSI devices ? |
| 19:08.32 | tarzeau | Makki: forget it, reboot |
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| 19:09.12 | Makki | tarzeau: Sorry, not an option. |
| 19:09.26 | Womble2 | Makki: Do you have anything mounted from that SCSI chain? |
| 19:09.29 | bitshifty | tarzeau, i'm not sure it should have to be replaced. i set the bootsequence to run the cdrom, but it doesn't make the "whir" noise as if it's checking the disk |
| 19:09.32 | tarzeau | Makki: apt-cache search scsi tool and util... but i really don't think they can do what you want |
| 19:09.34 | Makki | tarzeau: I have to manually load the driver for SATA. |
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| 19:09.42 | Makki | tarzeau: I'm installing debian... |
| 19:09.45 | bitshifty | and my boot disk runs fine on my windows computer |
| 19:10.02 | rasp1 | tarzeau: Linux array1 2.6.11-1-686 #1 Mon Jun 20 22:00:38 MDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:10.21 | iostream | Hi. Is it possible to use e-mail addresses in /etc/aliases ? |
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| 19:10.54 | tech9iner | dammit |
| 19:11.05 | bitshifty | is installing debian from floppies a bad idea? |
| 19:11.09 | tech9iner | can load google.com.. can ping any URL with normal levels.. |
| 19:11.16 | tech9iner | but yahoo.com times out??? |
| 19:11.35 | xsdg | iostream: yup: I have the equivalent of "foo: xsdg+foo@bar.baz" in mine and it works |
| 19:11.43 | tarzeau | rasp1: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686 |
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| 19:11.54 | PerfDave | iostream: Depends on your MTA |
| 19:12.04 | iostream | PerfDave: Exim4 |
| 19:12.06 | xsdg | PerfDave, iostream: exim4 here |
| 19:12.06 | PerfDave | bitshifty: It's a pain in the arse |
| 19:12.08 | dondelelcaro | bitshifty: no, it may just take a while. |
| 19:12.16 | PerfDave | iostream: Sarge default? |
| 19:12.20 | iostream | xsdg: Hmm,okay, because I can't quite seeem to get it to work. (Local delivery works). |
| 19:12.20 | dondelelcaro | bitshifty: if you can use any other form of installation, I'd use it. |
| 19:12.24 | xsdg | bitshifty: completely from floppies? or floppies -> netinstall? |
| 19:12.29 | iostream | PerfDave: yes. ("Internet site" option") |
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| 19:12.59 | cahoot | iostream: tried with qoutes? |
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| 19:13.01 | PerfDave | iostream: Then I would expect that it'd work. You may want to refer to the Exim documentation, or read the logs. |
| 19:13.04 | bitshifty | xsdg, floppies -> netinstall, most likely. unless there is some way to make my cd drive work |
| 19:13.15 | iostream | PerfDave: /var/log/mail.info? or what? |
| 19:13.22 | xsdg | bitshifty: aah; that's pretty easy; just takes 3 floppies |
| 19:13.35 | iostream | cahoot: Will try that too. But maybe i need to tell exim it's okay to deliver to my domain... |
| 19:13.47 | xsdg | bitshifty: well, 2 floppies, 1 optional floppy for network drivers, 1 optional floppy for CD drive drivers |
| 19:14.15 | xsdg | bitshifty: I did the netinstall one on my Thinkpad 240X and it worked flawlessly |
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| 19:14.33 | bitshifty | xsdg, where do i get the files for the floppies? |
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| 19:14.59 | stew | !sarge floppies |
| 19:14.59 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
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| 19:15.28 | PerfDave | iostream: /var/log/exim |
| 19:15.29 | cbr | abrotman: by looking at my boot log i see that discover skips every hardware it finds anyway |
| 19:15.31 | xsdg | bitshifty: I used http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
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| 19:15.39 | cbr | abrotman: Tue Jul 12 12:11:38 2005: Skipping 8139too; assuming it is compiled into the ker |
| 19:15.39 | cbr | nel. |
| 19:15.40 | xsdg | bitshifty: which goes to joey's nightlies |
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| 19:16.11 | abrotman | cbr: i told you .. do what you want .. there are differences between hotplug and disocver |
| 19:16.15 | rasp1 | tarzeau: seems to be working. Do you know how I put the jumbo frame support in? |
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| 19:16.48 | iostream | PerfDave: "R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for |
| 19:16.51 | iostream | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.52 | xsdg | abrotman: "differences"? that's putting it fairly lightly, no? |
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| 19:16.57 | iostream | Hmm, sorry about line break :/ |
| 19:16.58 | Technel | Okay, I am using the dotdeb packages to get Apache2 working with PHP5. Apache2 is working, PHP5 installed, but apache2.conf does not have any references to php5 except with AddType... |
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| 19:17.11 | abrotman | xsdg: don't tell me .. tell cbr .. he insists they do the same thing .. so he's going to remove one of them |
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| 19:17.35 | humbolt | what software can I use to incrementally backup several machines (including windows clients) to a harddisk and from there to a tape afterwards? |
| 19:17.36 | tarzeau | rasp1: no idea |
| 19:17.42 | xsdg | cbr: discover != hotplug. Both are important, though hotplug much more so |
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| 19:17.54 | humbolt | the most important part of course, is easy restoration of files |
| 19:18.00 | cbr | xsdg: what does discover load, that hotplug doesnt? |
| 19:18.09 | abrotman | xsdg: yes .. i told him that .. and to read the descriptions .. and he insists they are the same ... let him find out the difference |
| 19:18.15 | xsdg | cbr: note that discover is not only used during the boot process |
| 19:18.37 | cbr | when else then? |
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| 19:18.48 | SpinX | http://pastebin.com/338445 < quotatool errors.. can anyone help me with that? |
| 19:18.53 | xsdg | cbr: one big example is X configuration |
| 19:19.02 | abrotman | let him find out! :) |
| 19:19.03 | MattGideon | How can I tell which device my modem is using? |
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| 19:19.13 | abrotman | xsdg: he also decided to get initng from exp. |
| 19:19.26 | rasp1 | tarzeau: it just says advanced features is jumbo frame support, but it doesn't say how to do it. The whole reason for trying to compile. :) |
| 19:19.30 | abrotman | MattGideon: more than likely ttyS0 or ttyS1 |
| 19:19.35 | xsdg | cbr: I haven't specifically looked into what each one does, and TBH, it doesn't actually matter that much to me; good luck |
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| 19:19.37 | bitshifty | xsdg, how do i put the floppy images on floppies? |
| 19:19.45 | SpinX | ah actually, i think i got it. |
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| 19:19.47 | xsdg | bitshifty: dd |
| 19:19.55 | MattGideon | abrotman: Is that nine pin? |
| 19:19.58 | SpinX | quotaon /home |
| 19:19.59 | xsdg | bitshifty: frex, dd if=foo.img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 19:20.02 | Jackel | anyone give me some advice on a good IRCD ? |
| 19:20.04 | abrotman | MattGideon: you mean .. serial .. yes :) |
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| 19:20.13 | bitshifty | i'm using a windows computer at the moment |
| 19:20.14 | abrotman | though yes .. serial does not have to be 9pin |
| 19:20.18 | xsdg | bitshifty: oh |
| 19:20.31 | tarzeau | rasp1: is that a gbit interface? no idea, never used that |
| 19:20.42 | MattGideon | It is definitely nine pin. I have found another mouse and want to put it into the adjacent port |
| 19:20.52 | MattGideon | (also nine pin) |
| 19:21.06 | beeblebrox87 | debian installer (debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1) keeps telling me the CD-ROM can't be mounted, but the CD is in the drive and the machine booted from it successfully |
| 19:21.06 | abrotman | MattGideon: dmesg might help you there |
| 19:21.08 | abrotman | might .. |
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| 19:21.20 | Jackel | anyone give me some advice on a good IRCD ? |
| 19:21.21 | abrotman | beeblebrox87: chipset? |
| 19:21.32 | abrotman | Jackel: stop repeating .. apt-cache search irc daemon |
| 19:21.32 | dogwater | does anyone know what PAE is called in the linux kernel? |
| 19:21.38 | xsdg | bitshifty: I know there's a program that debian provides somewhere, but I forget where |
| 19:21.39 | humbolt | what software are you using to do backups? |
| 19:21.40 | Eulex | beeblebrox87, tried both 2.4 and 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:21.43 | Jackel | i repeated twice lol |
| 19:21.43 | abrotman | dogwater: high mem support |
| 19:21.49 | xsdg | bitshifty: the install docs might have a link to it |
| 19:21.53 | dogwater | So thats above 32GB? |
| 19:21.55 | abrotman | dogwater: but why ? |
| 19:22.02 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: What sort of CD-ROM drive is it? d-i's opinion is up to kernel support, booting is up to the BIOS, so it's not unreasonable for one to work and the other not to if you're using something nonstandard. |
| 19:22.06 | dogwater | we only have 4GB of ram in this box and it shows 3 in Free and intel said we need PAE enabled |
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| 19:22.16 | PerfDave | dogwater: What kernel are you using? |
| 19:22.20 | MattGideon | Nothing from dmegs | fgrep "/dev" |
| 19:22.20 | dogwater | 2.6.8 |
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| 19:22.26 | abrotman | dogwater: uname -a |
| 19:22.28 | rasp1 | tarzeau: Yeah, gige. How do i install it now that I have it compiled? |
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| 19:22.34 | PerfDave | dogwater: what's the output of "uname -r" ? |
| 19:22.44 | dogwater | Linux debian 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 19:22.52 | PerfDave | dogwater: What CPU are you running on? |
| 19:22.56 | dogwater | 2x xeon |
| 19:22.57 | tarzeau | rasp1: make modules_install ? insmod ./the.ko ? |
| 19:23.05 | tarzeau | rasp1: or modprobe, man 5 modules |
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| 19:23.25 | TwistedEmotions | Where can I locate the SSH attempted connections log? |
| 19:23.40 | rasp1 | tarzeau: did make clean modules: make install: depmod -a Per the readme |
| 19:23.41 | xsdg | TwistedEmotions: /var/log/daemon.log? |
| 19:23.43 | dogwater | ../var/log/messages |
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| 19:24.08 | bitshifty | xsdg, is there a place where i can get floppy-iso tools for windows? |
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| 19:24.26 | TwistedEmotions | SSH doesnt have it's own log? |
| 19:24.28 | dogwater | So does anyone know what i need to enable in order for this thing to see all of the ram I have? |
| 19:24.36 | xsdg | dogwater: I'm pretty sure attempts don't go to messages |
| 19:24.36 | MattGideon | abrotman: Found the /dev in syslog |
| 19:24.40 | PerfDave | dogwater: Hmm, you probably want to do something like: "grep -i himem /boot/config-$(uname -r)" |
| 19:24.43 | nunez | where is a safe place to have hdparm commands run on bootup? |
| 19:24.53 | greycat | nowhere. |
| 19:24.55 | tech9iner | so.. finally got a pop error in sarge from vmware.. |
| 19:25.19 | nunez | greycat: saying not to use hdparm? |
| 19:25.21 | PerfDave | dogwater: I know that Debian's -amd64 kernels have support for >4Gb RAM, you may need to compile yours from the kernel-source-2.6.8 package with make-kpkg |
| 19:25.26 | FarrisG | what's the command to tell exim4 to send everything you have in your queue immediately? |
| 19:25.39 | dogwater | PerfDave thats what im trying to do i just didnt know which option to enable |
| 19:25.52 | tarzeau | rasp1: i use www.linuks.mine.nu/make-kpkg/ |
| 19:25.56 | tech9iner | anyone ever seen / resolved 'specified device appears to be claimed by another driver (usblp) on host operation sys/means dev may b in use.. |
| 19:25.56 | dogwater | so just set the ram to 32GB? |
| 19:25.59 | beeblebrox87 | abrotman: don't know the chipset, motherboard is about 3 years old, machine is a crappy emachine. Eulex: trying 2.6 now, doesn't seem to be having much more luck. PerfDave: ancient CD-ROM drive, gutted from an old pentium-90 system just for this purpose. |
| 19:25.59 | TwistedEmotions | Maybe if I explain it will be easier.. I want to root-tail a file to see when anyone tries to get into my box... I leave the port open so I'd like to keep a close eye. |
| 19:26.01 | PerfDave | dogwater: Hmm, you probably want to do something like: "grep -i himem /boot/config-$(uname -r)" :) |
| 19:26.08 | tarzeau | rasp1: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ |
| 19:26.09 | xsdg | nunez: your IDE controller driver should take care of that stuff on its own |
| 19:26.26 | dogwater | PerfDave: that does nothing |
| 19:26.31 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: So it's an IDE CD-ROM drive? You don't have SATA anywhere? |
| 19:26.47 | rasp1 | tarzeau: this does what? |
| 19:26.53 | MrBallZ | I have a problem, my CPU is always at 100% , i see this in one of superkaramba's sys info widgets, should it be somewhere lower or how can i resolve this problem ??? |
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| 19:26.54 | TwistedEmotions | The firewall has a time/attemp block but rather keep an eye using root-tail if possible. |
| 19:27.00 | PerfDave | dogwater: Sorry, it's "highmem", not "himem" |
| 19:27.07 | dogwater | TwistedEmotions: go download tattle |
| 19:27.10 | PerfDave | MrBallZ: Use "top" to see what's using up your CPU? |
| 19:27.11 | TwistedEmotions | Huh? Hymen? |
| 19:27.33 | dogwater | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 19:27.34 | dogwater | # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set |
| 19:27.34 | dogwater | CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
| 19:27.34 | dogwater | # CONFIG_DEBUG_HIGHMEM is not se |
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| 19:27.41 | dogwater | Sorry for the flood |
| 19:27.47 | TwistedEmotions | dogmeat: #flood ;) |
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| 19:28.01 | xsdg | bitshifty: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#id2526818 |
| 19:28.04 | MattGideon | dogwater: That's just what God said |
| 19:28.06 | MrBallZ | PerfDave: the thing is , i only see some proceses not using more than 7% or so , and top says total cpu over 95% |
| 19:28.06 | TwistedEmotions | dogmeat: not a package is it? |
| 19:28.15 | xsdg | bitshifty: I've got to take off atm; good luck |
| 19:28.20 | xsdg | MattGideon: roflmao |
| 19:28.21 | PerfDave | MrBallZ: Do you have *lots* of processes using more than 7% or so? :) |
| 19:28.24 | dogwater | TwistedEmotions: its a shell script that watches that logfile for you |
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| 19:28.37 | PerfDave | dogwater: You're using a Debian-provided kernel-image? |
| 19:28.50 | MrBallZ | PerfDave: only 2, but they go up and down , one is xfree86 and the other one is opera |
| 19:28.51 | dogwater | PerfDave yeah i downloaded the .deb for the smp kernel |
| 19:28.59 | TwistedEmotions | dogwater: Do you know where I can find it? |
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| 19:29.24 | MrBallZ | PerfDave: and some others using .XX % , not even 1% , but I don't get it why it goes up to 100% , when it even doesn't add up ... |
| 19:29.24 | tarzeau | rasp1: make debian packages of things |
| 19:29.26 | dogwater | http://sodaphish.com/files/tattle |
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| 19:29.35 | PerfDave | dogwater: You downloaded the .deb? From where? Why didn't you use apt-get? |
| 19:29.44 | TwistedEmotions | dogmeat: ty ;) |
| 19:29.45 | dogwater | yeah, when you use apt-get it downloads it |
| 19:29.57 | dogwater | i used apt-get install... etc |
| 19:30.02 | eng | why python |
| 19:30.04 | jason^ | so my thinkpad is trying to use the debian cd, i typed linux26 on the boot: line, but it's stuck at loading initrd |
| 19:30.08 | PerfDave | dogwater: So you installed a package with apt-get, from the standard Debian repositories? Which package did you install? |
| 19:30.19 | rasp1 | tarzeau: I need it to install the driver? How do I install it on my system? |
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| 19:30.34 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: yes, it's IDE. might be pre-ATAPI though it doesn't look like it |
| 19:30.39 | humbolt | does still nobody have any suggestions on backup software? (multi client, easy restore interface, incremental backups)? |
| 19:30.40 | tarzeau | rasp1: the driver is somefile.ko right? you just insmod the.ko |
| 19:30.53 | PerfDave | humbolt: You might want to look at AMANDA |
| 19:30.54 | tarzeau | rasp1: and then put it at the right place in /lib/modules and the drivername(without .ko) into /etc/modules |
| 19:30.57 | tech9iner | so mates.. |
| 19:31.12 | tech9iner | can one unload the usblp module in sarge Please ? |
| 19:31.17 | tech9iner | safely that is |
| 19:31.18 | Mr-R | humbolt: tivoli storage manager? (for big bucks...) |
| 19:31.26 | dogwater | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 19:31.30 | PerfDave | tech9iner: modprobe -r usblp |
| 19:31.54 | tech9iner | no harm otherwise PerfDave ?.. and thanks chum.. |
| 19:31.55 | sess | is it possible, and "safe" to install some unstable apps in sarge? |
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| 19:32.05 | PerfDave | sess: Maybe, and probably not. |
| 19:32.08 | sess | I'd like to get eclipse and beagle, but both are part of SID |
| 19:32.15 | PerfDave | sess: Backport them |
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| 19:32.18 | gcanosa | hello |
| 19:32.18 | gcanosa | what's the command to tell exim4 to send everything you have in your queue immediately? |
| 19:32.19 | x-Al1gma | hello gcanosa |
| 19:32.29 | PerfDave | gcanosa: man exim :) |
| 19:32.39 | humbolt | PerfDave: Does Amanda offer any GUI for file restoration? |
| 19:32.40 | gcanosa | PerfDave i checked it out, and i cant find any |
| 19:32.43 | PerfDave | dogwater: See, I'd assume that that CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y would mean that it'd work for you, and the fact that it doesn't may be some Intel / Xeon-specific thing; I've only used multi-gigs of RAM on AMD boxes |
| 19:32.44 | Eulex | x-Al1gma, *please* |
| 19:32.55 | humbolt | PerfDave: Can Amanda backup to HDD? |
| 19:33.10 | rasp1 | tarzeau: do you have a link to a howto? |
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| 19:33.18 | dogwater | Right, it is a Intel Xeon thing, i need to enable PAE, as according to the kernel docs yet it doesnt tell me which option is PAE |
| 19:33.31 | halibut | I have a full screen game (ut2004), and alt+enter puts it in a window, how can I get it back to full screen again? |
| 19:34.01 | Eulex | halibut, how are we supposed to know? check the docs of the game! |
| 19:34.04 | tarzeau | rasp1: nope sorry |
| 19:34.07 | MattGideon | I want to configure X to use a new mouse on /dev/ttyS0. How do I go about it? I could probably find the info on the web but without a mouse it is a pain to navigate. Do I need to make a new device? |
| 19:34.19 | PerfDave | humbolt: It has a very nice CLI for file restoration, I have no idea whether it has a GUI. I believe it can back up to HDD, but I've never used it. |
| 19:34.21 | halibut | Eulex, I thought it may have been a standard shortcut key for all full screen opengl apps? |
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| 19:34.22 | PerfDave | dogwater: Try asking #kernel ? |
| 19:34.30 | Eulex | halibut, no such thing |
| 19:34.37 | abrotman | !drxx MattGideon |
| 19:34.37 | dpkg | MattGideon: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:34.45 | bier_ | MattGideon: try lynx ;-) |
| 19:34.47 | PerfDave | humbolt: You may want to read the AMANDA website at http://www.amanda.org/ :) |
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| 19:35.05 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know what option to use to get aterm to be stuck in the desktop background kind of thing? |
| 19:35.13 | MrBallZ | PerfDave: what do you think it could be ???? |
| 19:36.02 | PerfDave | MrBallZ: I have no idea. I suspect you have many processes, all using little CPU, and it's all adding up. |
| 19:36.03 | MattGideon | abrotman: Thanks. Will I be able to use the raw device? |
| 19:36.19 | abrotman | MattGideon: i don't see why not |
| 19:36.43 | MattGideon | How can I tell if what type of mouse it is? |
| 19:36.54 | humbolt | PerfDave: Do you know anything about Bacula? |
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| 19:37.07 | PerfDave | humbolt: I've not used it. |
| 19:37.11 | Eulex | MattGideon, what connector? |
| 19:37.33 | MattGideon | Female. 4 in one row, 5 in the other |
| 19:37.47 | humbolt | PerfDave: But, heared any good/bad things? |
| 19:38.01 | PerfDave | humbolt: No, and I wouldn't trust hearsay even if I had. |
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| 19:38.13 | briankeys | if i recompile my debian box with a vanilla 2.4.27 kernel, what should I worry about? Are there any major difference between the vanilla kernel and debian's? |
| 19:38.17 | PerfDave | humbolt: I've used AMANDA myself on many different networks for backups to tape. |
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| 19:38.58 | PerfDave | briankeys: You should worry about it not working, and security holes. There are several differences between vanilla kernels and Debian's, and I wouldn't use a vanilla kernel myself. But provided you use make-kpkg, not too much can go wrong. |
| 19:39.18 | humbolt | PerfDave: What about the configuration? Is that a tuff job? |
| 19:39.30 | MattGideon | Eulex: Does that answer your question? |
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| 19:39.41 | rasp1 | tarzeau: when I insmod the .ko file I get: insmod: error inserting 'r8169.ko': -1 File exists |
| 19:39.43 | PerfDave | humbolt: AMANDA? Not really, no. Just understand that it's self-organising, and don't try to fight that, and you'll be fine. |
| 19:39.43 | briankeys | PerfDave, well, I need to install the famous advanced routing patches, and they are failing bad when i try to do a test patch on the kernel source i apt-get'd |
| 19:39.59 | PerfDave | briankeys: I have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 19:40.03 | stdio_h | hello, it is possible to downgrade from testing to stable? |
| 19:40.06 | briankeys | PerfDave: fair enough :) |
| 19:40.18 | PerfDave | stdio_h: Not really, no. Reinstallation is the only reliable method. |
| 19:40.19 | EEop | Hi, does anybody knows how can I print my files...cause I tried with CUPS and LPR, but doesnt works, maybe have some package missing? |
| 19:40.23 | Eulex | MattGideon, sounds like serial |
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| 19:40.30 | tarzeau | rasp1: i really don't know |
| 19:40.32 | xbmodder | Any one here played with ffserver? |
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| 19:40.35 | stdio_h | PerfDave tks :) |
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| 19:40.41 | humbolt | PerfDave: The configuration would be done by me, but some Windows users might have to restore files. Do you think somebody that can barely handle HTML can use the CLI to restore files? |
| 19:40.49 | MattGideon | Euler: So, I just select the option "serial mouse"? |
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| 19:41.03 | PerfDave | humbolt: The CLI is very easy to use. I have no idea whether or not there's a GUI. |
| 19:41.19 | humbolt | I do not think so. |
| 19:41.33 | PerfDave | humbolt: Try asking on amanda-users or something ;) |
| 19:41.49 | PerfDave | humbolt: Feel free to write one anyway ;) |
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| 19:42.35 | humbolt | PerfDave: I would like to to incremental backups every day and a full backup every month or week. Would the incremental backups be written to the same tape every day? |
| 19:42.51 | EEop | Hi, does anybody knows how can I print my files...cause I tried with CUPS and LPR, but doesnt works, maybe have some package missing? |
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| 19:43.06 | PerfDave | humbolt: That's not the way that AMANDA works. If that's what you want, AMANDA isn't for you. AMANDA is much more efficient. |
| 19:43.26 | humbolt | PerfDave: How? |
| 19:43.40 | PerfDave | humbolt: It self-organises the backup schedule, making optimal use of your backup tapes. |
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| 19:43.52 | PerfDave | humbolt: It sounds to me like you want to script something yourself using tar |
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| 19:44.26 | sgeigerbot | EEop: cups setup is "apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsomatic-ppd foomatic-db" Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! (apparently you need to log on with the root users's username and password) |
| 19:44.52 | humbolt | No, I want an easy restore mechanism. I do not want to have to read "man tar" before every restore. |
| 19:45.02 | Eulex | MattGideon, nah, ain't it /dev/ttyS0 and such? or what do you mean? |
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| 19:45.05 | PerfDave | humbolt: So write scripts ;) |
| 19:45.43 | tech9iner | dammit.. ok.. ok mates.. |
| 19:45.47 | tech9iner | 1st vmware claimed usblp module was trapping printer comm.. |
| 19:45.52 | tech9iner | then i 'modprobe -r usblp' and rebooted 98se on vmware.. |
| 19:46.01 | tech9iner | then it said same about usbhid module?.. |
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| 19:46.09 | tech9iner | so i kill vmware and run lsmod.. and ?? usblp is back?... |
| 19:46.09 | sgeigerbot | tech9iner: why are you using 98se?!!! |
| 19:46.14 | tech9iner | all part of usbcore.. can i just unload usbcore maybe?? thanks |
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| 19:46.31 | mendieta48 | hi |
| 19:46.38 | mendieta48 | I have a problem |
| 19:46.46 | PerfDave | tech9iner: usblp may be put back if you've plugged in a USB printer and hotplug or whatever has loaded the module for you. |
| 19:46.46 | tech9iner | only sgeigerbot , to print / scan / fax on this POS lexmark x4270 is ONLY reason im goin through this mate.. |
| 19:46.58 | Eulex | sgeigerbot, then you'd be rich :) |
| 19:47.00 | tech9iner | aha thanks PerfDave |
| 19:47.02 | mendieta48 | when I ping to myseft return: ping: sendto: Invalid argument |
| 19:47.10 | PerfDave | tech9iner: But you're using VMWare, ask them how to fix it, it's their commercial product :) |
| 19:47.15 | mendieta48 | then |
| 19:47.20 | mendieta48 | my apps can connect to localhost |
| 19:47.27 | mendieta48 | can't connect |
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| 19:47.34 | humbolt | PerfDave: So why do you think AMANDA is not suitable for me? I do not care for a fixed weekly/daily backup schedule, as long as my files are backed up and I can easily restore them (like restore file xy as of may 24th 2005). |
| 19:47.38 | tech9iner | oh trust me PerfDave .. spent many emails and irc time to no avail.. vmware community sux hugely |
| 19:47.49 | PerfDave | tech9iner: Then don't give them your money ;) |
| 19:47.54 | finn__ | how do you ping yourself. ping localhost or ping 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 19:47.59 | rodrigo | afff....bittorrent ta matando minha conecção! |
| 19:48.04 | sgeigerbot | tech9iner: If the printer is connected locally, then probably the virtual machine is going ot have problems accessing the hardware. If you are doing printing via the network, then there shouldn't be a problem. |
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| 19:48.08 | tech9iner | i get better support/community for vmware here and in #fedora than i do on #vmware rofl |
| 19:48.11 | Eulex | !br |
| 19:48.11 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:48.17 | northbayrep | hey, can anyone tell me which mplayer packages i need? |
| 19:48.21 | PerfDave | humbolt: Because you say that it doesn't have a GUI and that you need one, and because you say that you want a fixed cycle of full and incremental backups. |
| 19:48.21 | mendieta48 | finn__, ping localhost, ping 127.0.0.1, ping <my-public-IP-address> |
| 19:48.32 | northbayrep | i'm on the marillat ftp, in the mplayer dir, but i don't know which files i want. |
| 19:48.37 | PerfDave | northbayrep: No, because we're not mind-readers. |
| 19:48.42 | tech9iner | sgeigerbot now theres an aproach hadnt chewed yet guv.. thanks.. hmmm |
| 19:48.51 | northbayrep | funny. |
| 19:48.55 | sgeigerbot | !marillat |
| 19:48.56 | dpkg | methinks marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 19:49.02 | PerfDave | northbayrep: Why do you think you need mplayer? Why are you using FTP manually anyway instead of apt-get? |
| 19:49.02 | mendieta48 | finn__, I have my debian upgrade |
| 19:49.15 | Eulex | northbayrep, you don't do it that way, you add a few apt sources to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:49.21 | northbayrep | because i had trouble adding it to my sources list. |
| 19:49.34 | northbayrep | can i just open that in gedit? |
| 19:49.35 | sgeigerbot | northbayrep: I hope you saw the output of !marillat |
| 19:49.37 | tech9iner | how to make this printer a networked printer inside vmware virtual 98se, on same pc running sarge.. hmmm |
| 19:49.43 | northbayrep | i did see it, yeah. |
| 19:49.43 | Eulex | northbayrep, define "had trouble" |
| 19:49.45 | PerfDave | northbayrep: So don't you think you should fix that rather than dicking about with FTP? :) |
| 19:50.02 | sgeigerbot | PerfDave: There you go again, getting logical on us. |
| 19:50.04 | tech9iner | so sarge pros N gurus N ?? ;] |
| 19:50.08 | humbolt | PerfDave: Forget about the fixed cycle. Forget about the gui. A console program (like mc) would be enough I think. Even pure command line, it it is dead simple to use. |
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| 19:50.14 | tech9iner | can anyone think of better route on sarge |
| 19:50.39 | sgeigerbot | tech9iner: you could share the printer via samba. |
| 19:50.47 | sgeigerbot | tech9iner: in theory. |
| 19:50.53 | tech9iner | to get this damn lexmark aio pos printer/scanner/fax/copier to communicate.. print.. etc.. other than via vmware intall of drivers? |
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| 19:51.11 | PerfDave | humbolt: Well, amrestore will allow you to say "I want file /home/user/foo.txt from machine bar at date X" and it will tell you what tapes to put into it and do the restore for you |
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| 19:51.32 | tech9iner | sgeigerbot heh.. theory.. major word eh?.. rofl |
| 19:51.40 | rodrigo | se eu quiser para o bittorrent eu preciso dar algum comando? |
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| 19:51.50 | tech9iner | excuse for many headaches that work lol |
| 19:51.53 | tech9iner | work/word |
| 19:52.10 | drac | !br |
| 19:52.10 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:52.27 | rodrigo | dpkg: sorry! |
| 19:52.27 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
| 19:52.36 | drac | dpkg: botsnack |
| 19:52.46 | tech9iner | anyone know what results / destablizes if i just moprobe -4 usbcore before booting virtual 98se ? |
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| 19:52.57 | tech9iner | dammit.. -4/-r |
| 19:53.06 | PerfDave | tech9iner: I expect that if you try to remove usbcore, all your usb devices will stop working :) |
| 19:53.10 | northbayrep | ok, i've got sources.list open. do i just need to add the ftp location and save the file? |
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| 19:53.20 | sgeigerbot | tech9iner: Look, you are dealing with hardware whose manufacturer is not playing nice with the open source community (by releasing the specs). What do you expect from this non-standard piece of equipment? To just work automatically with all standards-oriented software in the free software community? Think again. Why don't you use Win98 on a computer that is devoted to that lame printer and then you can use the manufacturer's |
| 19:53.20 | sgeigerbot | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.22 | tech9iner | arrrrgh! ;[ |
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| 19:53.37 | humbolt | PerfDave: Can I tell amanda that I will only use 5 tapes so it knows when it will overwrite a tape? |
| 19:53.43 | PerfDave | northbayrep: Read "man sources.list", or just copy the lines from the dpkg factoid or the marillat site |
| 19:53.59 | PerfDave | humbolt: Yes, you tell it what you want backed up, and how many tapes you have, and how frequently you want a full backup |
| 19:54.02 | tech9iner | sgeigerbot great idea.. except the tiny bit bout this being the only computer/laptop this pal has.. period.. |
| 19:54.20 | Mr-R | tech9iner: dump the printer... :) |
| 19:54.25 | humbolt | PerfDave: Sounds good. |
| 19:54.28 | tech9iner | oh that'd be great idea.. |
| 19:54.34 | PerfDave | tech9iner: Ask Lexmark for support with Linux :) |
| 19:54.38 | Eulex | northbayrep, no, follow the instructions at ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html |
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| 19:54.55 | sgeigerbot | tech9iner: Why don't you try to make this a little easier on yourself and us by removing some of the constraints on your situation. Whenever someone asks to do something hard like that, it is usually a simple matter of doing something simple to cause a difficult situation to become simple. Simple enough? |
| 19:55.02 | humbolt | PerfDave: documentation suck though! I cannot find a brief overview of what the software is capable of. |
| 19:55.10 | sgeigerbot | tech9iner: PCs are CHEAP. What is your time worth? |
| 19:55.13 | codejunky | hi. i am using debian sarge and want to install amule with amuled. apt-get install amule installs amule but the amuled is not installed. what can i do? |
| 19:55.14 | tech9iner | again.. there's the tine bit bout this pal being in desparate financial straits currently.. hence my hours of diggn to get it up n runn for him.. |
| 19:55.29 | PerfDave | humbolt: *shrug* I never had a problem with it. |
| 19:55.30 | sgeigerbot | tech9iner: get real. |
| 19:55.35 | PerfDave | codejunky: apt-cache search amule |
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| 19:56.05 | PerfDave | Hmm, amule appears not to be in Debian |
| 19:56.15 | s_ward | tech9iner: Give him a few bob, help with his desparate financial straits then :) |
| 19:56.22 | apogee | hi eulex....Debain reinstalled .....so please tell me once again.....its.... |
| 19:56.27 | sgeigerbot | PerfDave: amule - aNOTHER eMule P2P Client |
| 19:56.35 | sgeigerbot | PerfDave: yes, it's in Debian. I'm using sid. |
| 19:56.52 | PerfDave | sgeigerbot: Hmm, it's not in Sarge, which is what codejunky is using |
| 19:57.01 | tech9iner | heh.. tv spot running currently in usa.. bag of gold coins on conf table.. 'your answer is to throw money at the problem?' rofl.. |
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| 19:57.08 | solemnwarning | hi all |
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| 19:57.12 | Eulex | apogee, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and tell it what you card can do |
| 19:57.26 | solemnwarning | has there been any recent changes to the postfix package on apt? |
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| 19:57.33 | HeavenWarrior | how to run my 8000 port |
| 19:57.42 | PerfDave | sgeigerbot: Which postfix packages? Which version of Debian? |
| 19:57.44 | PerfDave | ARgh |
| 19:57.46 | PerfDave | solemnwarning: Which postfix packages? Which version of Debian? |
| 19:57.47 | tech9iner | ok diff tact |
| 19:57.51 | sgeigerbot | tech9iner: are you asking us to pick on you? Have some common sense. |
| 19:57.55 | solemnwarning | because whenever i dl it from apt and start it it freezes on MAIL FROM: |
| 19:58.09 | PerfDave | HeavenWarrior: What on earth do you mean "how to run my 8000 port"? |
| 19:58.10 | solemnwarning | the postfix package, sarge 3.1 netinstall |
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| 19:58.16 | tech9iner | e z there big bouy wanna be.. rofl |
| 19:58.21 | sgeigerbot | !larg tech9iner |
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| 19:58.30 | sgeigerbot | !lart tech9iner |
| 19:58.36 | tech9iner | rofl |
| 19:58.42 | tech9iner | fair enough sgeigerbot .. |
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| 19:59.01 | PerfDave | solemnwarning: If you're running Debian 3.1 (aka "Sarge"; "Sarge 3.1" is meaningless) then you won't get any new version of software except in rare cases involving security fixes. You can check to see whether postfix has had a security fix recently at http://security.debian.org/ |
| 19:59.04 | HeavenWarrior | PerfDave, i mean when i use netstat -n there's no 8000 port |
| 19:59.11 | apogee | ok....wait a sec |
| 19:59.13 | tech9iner | another in long line of excuses to keep bill g richest fart on globe.. hehe |
| 19:59.20 | PerfDave | HeavenWarrior: Why would you expect there to be? |
| 19:59.28 | HeavenWarrior | i think so |
| 19:59.36 | apogee | Eula xserver-sfree is not installed and no info is available ...did got this error |
| 19:59.39 | PerfDave | HeavenWarrior: Do you know what "netstat -n" does? |
| 19:59.39 | tech9iner | is sarge isntalled on LVM mates?.. |
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| 19:59.54 | PerfDave | tech9iner: Sarge installs on LVM if you install it on LVM. |
| 19:59.56 | tjansson | Im having problems with my cron - it doesn't do the job - just realized that my webalizer is 3 days old (it should update every day) - where would you look for the error? |
| 20:00.06 | HeavenWarrior | PerfDave, it tells for open and connected ports |
| 20:00.09 | tech9iner | defaults to which fs PerfDave Please ? thaks |
| 20:00.17 | dondelelcaro | tjansson: ideally you should have your cronjob mailing you |
| 20:00.31 | PerfDave | tech9iner: LVM isn't a filesystem. The default filesystem in the Debian installer is ext3, if I remember correctly. |
| 20:00.38 | tjansson | dondelelcaro: how do you do that? - is there a howto? |
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| 20:01.06 | dondelelcaro | tjansson: if not, then check /var/log/messages or syslog |
| 20:01.09 | PerfDave | HeavenWarrior: Why would you expect "netstat -n" to show something on port 8000? |
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| 20:01.14 | tech9iner | thanks PerfDave .. been slowly reading an waitn on comprehension/ephiphony on LVM here ;].. not there yet.. |
| 20:01.25 | dondelelcaro | tjansson: that's what the default is, unless you've set MAILTO=""; or you're outputing all errors to /dev/null |
| 20:01.25 | northbayrep | k, i've tried again adding it through synaptic, but the directory structure is different than synaptic is expecting, i think. |
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| 20:01.43 | northbayrep | i also tried apt-setup to edit by hand, but i don't know how to use vim. |
| 20:01.53 | northbayrep | and gedit would only open it as readonly |
| 20:02.00 | tjansson | dondelelcaro: don't think i have anything setup on the server to send mail with thoug |
| 20:02.08 | northbayrep | well any other text editor open it so i can edit it? |
| 20:02.13 | PerfDave | tech9iner: LVM is Logical Volume Management. It's a way of looking at disks and partitions, it's at a level beneath filesystems. You create a logical partition with LVM, based on the "volume groups" which are collections of physical partitions, and then you create whatever filesystem you want on that logical parition. |
| 20:02.16 | HeavenWarrior | PerfDave, i wanna run icecast2 and in the howto i read it was written that |
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| 20:02.19 | northbayrep | or do i just have to be root? |
| 20:02.24 | dondelelcaro | tjansson: uh... you better. Install nullmailer or similar to get error messages off that machine. |
| 20:02.27 | apogee | sorry Eula type it mistaken... |
| 20:02.30 | dondelelcaro | tjansson: otherwise you're just asking for trouble. |
| 20:02.47 | PerfDave | HeavenWarrior: "netstat -n" shows active sockets. If there's nothing active on port 8000, then there's nothing active on port 8000. |
| 20:03.25 | tjansson | dondelelcaro: :D - sounds like a good idea |
| 20:03.36 | HeavenWarrior | PerfDave, ok |
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| 20:03.47 | Buc | any cupsd users in chan? i just installed cups and i cannot access the web user interface from my other desktop machine |
| 20:03.52 | dondelelcaro | tjansson: then, for this current situtation, just manually run the cronjob to see if it works or fails. |
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| 20:04.01 | Buc | i also added its ip address in /etc/cupsd/cupsd.conf |
| 20:04.06 | Buc | what am i doing wrong? |
| 20:04.11 | apogee | Eula ,wjhat bus identifier should i input for ONBOARD ? |
| 20:04.12 | beeblebrox87 | my CDROM drive works fine in knoppix, but debian installer (with both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels) fails to mount it |
| 20:04.14 | dondelelcaro | Buc: by default cupsd only binds to localhost, not 0.0.0.0 |
| 20:04.20 | c_olin | I just apt-geted Enlightenment 16. How can I use it? |
| 20:04.27 | tech9iner | hence my reference to LVM PerfDave .. cause im now considering using 98lite install of w98 on newly created small partition on this lappy now overrun with sarges workstation install layout.. ;] |
| 20:05.03 | tech9iner | so my pal PerfDave .. could then at least dual boot to 98 when necessary to print.. |
| 20:05.06 | tech9iner | PerfDave not ideal.. |
| 20:05.12 | PerfDave | tech9iner: That's a horrible hack |
| 20:05.12 | tech9iner | but possible work round no PerfDave ? |
| 20:05.19 | tech9iner | well PerfDave .. |
| 20:05.39 | tech9iner | been diggn round trying to get this damn pos lexmark to work someway for 3 very busy wks now.. |
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| 20:06.05 | PerfDave | Coo, happy birthday, Debian! 12 years old today! |
| 20:06.05 | apogee | Eulex what busw identifier should i use for onboard ???? |
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| 20:06.09 | Buc | dondelelcaro how do i fix this as i'll need to be able to configure printers remoteley (inside/outside of LAN) |
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| 20:06.21 | tech9iner | few hours here few hours there.. and i could've pickup emtpy alum cans and bought dis mudderpucker a new hp aio .. arrrrgh! ;[ |
| 20:06.30 | tech9iner | rofl |
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| 20:06.35 | PerfDave | tech9iner: See, I'd've just gone and scrounged an old printer from somewhere, or a print server or something. |
| 20:06.36 | dondelelcaro | Buc: it should be in the /etc/cups directory, just have it bind to an address that you can access from the machines that you need to configure stuff with; |
| 20:06.49 | dondelelcaro | Buc: alternatively, you can always ssh into that machine and run links or similar to get the interface running. |
| 20:06.49 | tech9iner | print server?.. hmmmm |
| 20:07.16 | PerfDave | tech9iner: Yeah, plug print server into network, plug printer into print server. |
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| 20:07.45 | lildude | how do i network wirelsee debian |
| 20:07.45 | PerfDave | tech9iner: Or just get a printer made by a manufacturer who supports Linux, or supports the printing standards that Linux supports natively. |
| 20:07.49 | tech9iner | print server apropos for maybe printing to it from 98 vm to printer server running on same laptop on sarge side maybe? |
| 20:07.58 | zuralin | lildude, man iwconfig |
| 20:08.03 | dondelelcaro | lildude: install wireless-tools; load the driver, edit /etc/network/interfaces; done. |
| 20:08.03 | g0th | hi, using aptitude, how do I match packages who's download size is not available? |
| 20:08.07 | c_olin | How can I set up Enlightenment 16 on Debian? |
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| 20:08.17 | PerfDave | c_olin: apt-cache search enlightenment |
| 20:08.24 | c_olin | yes |
| 20:08.26 | c_olin | I got the package |
| 20:08.27 | cahoot | Buc: look for <Location /admin> incupsd.conf |
| 20:08.27 | tech9iner | oh if i had $150 to spare trust me PerfDave .. id 'a bought him a diff printer meself and sold this pos on ebay already |
| 20:08.29 | tech9iner | ;] |
| 20:08.40 | Draconicus | Mount ate my disc, and I really don't want to reboot just to get a CD back. Is there a way to force it to unmount? |
| 20:08.40 | c_olin | but on the login screen I can only choose from gnome and kde |
| 20:08.42 | lildude | what tools |
| 20:08.45 | PerfDave | tech9iner: Scrounge. Ask your local LUG or freecycle list or whatever. |
| 20:08.49 | PerfDave | c_olin: What login screen? |
| 20:08.51 | lildude | i am in kde wifi thing |
| 20:08.58 | PerfDave | Draconicus: umount -f |
| 20:09.03 | Buc | dondelelcaro here is the issue. i have a printer attached to a computer that is my web application and as users interface with it i want to give them the ability to print. |
| 20:09.10 | Draconicus | Tried it. No luck, PerfDave |
| 20:09.12 | c_olin | PerfDave: When I turn on my computer, I get the graphical login screen |
| 20:09.12 | tech9iner | k.. LASTly.. mates.. |
| 20:09.19 | tech9iner | thansk for 'bean' here.. |
| 20:09.30 | PerfDave | c_olin: What graphical login screen? |
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| 20:09.42 | c_olin | The standard one |
| 20:09.45 | Draconicus | # umount -f /dev/hdc --- umount2: Device or resource busy |
| 20:09.45 | Buc | dondelelcaro to make a long story short i know the ip address will be 192.168.2.* (the remote addresses) the actual cupsd address is 192.168.2.142 |
| 20:09.45 | CVirus | i'm trying to install a windowz game using Wine .. I mount CD1 in /media/cdrom and start installation and in the middle of the process it asks for CD2 .. what to do ? |
| 20:09.46 | tech9iner | Ciao 4 now ;] and have the best day ya can on me!.. [everyone else does.. wth! ;];] |
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| 20:09.57 | PerfDave | c_olin: There is no standard one. Which one did you install, or configure to be used? |
| 20:09.59 | lildude | what do i downlaod for wireless tools |
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| 20:10.04 | lildude | ap-get what? |
| 20:10.06 | abrotman | iwconfig ? |
| 20:10.06 | PerfDave | c_olin: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 20:10.06 | Buc | c_olin k |
| 20:10.10 | lildude | symantic |
| 20:10.11 | PerfDave | lildude: apt-cache seach wireless |
| 20:10.12 | lildude | what |
| 20:10.14 | g0th | I tried this to get N/A sized packages in aptitude: Limit "~DN/A", but it failed... |
| 20:10.20 | c_olin | PerfDave: Just installed it yesterday |
| 20:10.21 | lildude | ok il do that |
| 20:10.31 | lildude | from root |
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| 20:10.31 | PerfDave | c_olin: Installed *what* yesterday? |
| 20:10.35 | c_olin | The one with the cd that downloads all the packages |
| 20:10.37 | c_olin | Debian |
| 20:10.42 | stouset | Crazy random offtopic question: what is the mechanism for particle-antiparticle annihilation? |
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| 20:10.55 | PerfDave | c_olin: Which version of Debian? Stop being so bloody vague! |
| 20:10.58 | abrotman | stouset: a blind date ? |
| 20:11.00 | c_olin | lol |
| 20:11.04 | RogueDopple | he eh |
| 20:11.06 | PerfDave | stouset: Rocket launchers |
| 20:11.14 | g0th | anyway |
| 20:11.18 | sgeigerbot | PerfDave: wrong. |
| 20:11.19 | lildude | kdewifi found something how do i know if its mine or some one else? |
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| 20:11.21 | konstantin | hi can anyone help me with ATI drivers installation? i dont know what i have to set in fglrx config to run ATI Radeon 9800 Pro |
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| 20:11.31 | c_olin | Sorry I'm new to Debian. It's got to be the latest version, installed from the businesscard CD |
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| 20:12.02 | PerfDave | c_olin: Which latest version? The latest stable release? The latest development snapshot? Where did you download it from? |
| 20:12.08 | c_olin | Stabe |
| 20:12.10 | sgeigerbot | stouset: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&hs=WQm&c2coff=1&safe=off&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&q=particle+antiparticle+annihilation&spell=1 |
| 20:12.13 | c_olin | stable* |
| 20:12.31 | PerfDave | c_olin: Where did you download it from? |
| 20:12.43 | c_olin | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 20:12.51 | c_olin | Businesscard stable release |
| 20:13.00 | stouset | sgeigerbot: Already been googling. Everything basically says "they destroy each other, releasing photons and energy." No mention of the mechanism for why they annihilate, though. I assume it'd be described by string theory, but I haven't found anything. |
| 20:13.11 | PerfDave | c_olin: OK, and so which display manager did you install? |
| 20:13.21 | stew | stouset: "mechanism"?? e=mc^2 ? |
| 20:13.45 | c_olin | display manager as in window manager? I'm in gnome right now, but I'm trying to get enlightenment 16 working |
| 20:13.57 | apogee | Eulex ,I was not that lucky... |
| 20:14.06 | apogee | X now won;t start at all |
| 20:14.06 | PerfDave | c_olin: No, which display manager did you install? |
| 20:14.14 | justin | !tell c_olin about wm |
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| 20:14.22 | abrotman | stouset: don't they just go boom? |
| 20:14.30 | c_olin | display manager? |
| 20:14.32 | c_olin | lol |
| 20:14.38 | PerfDave | konstantin: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 20:14.39 | stouset | stew: As in, the interaction between them. What interaction causes them to go boom? |
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| 20:14.46 | PerfDave | c_olin: The thing that gives you the login screen! |
| 20:14.48 | Eulex | apogee, define "won't start" |
| 20:14.52 | stew | stouset: what do you mean by mechanism? in general, mechanics don't apply to subatomic particles |
| 20:14.54 | PerfDave | c_olin: Where you type your username and password! |
| 20:14.59 | apogee | I get the messagee... |
| 20:15.08 | c_olin | PerfDave: I dont know! It was isntalled by default.. I dont like it |
| 20:15.15 | apogee | device not found |
| 20:15.21 | apogee | screens not found |
| 20:15.22 | sgeigerbot | stouset: particles are so small, I doubt this has been explained. |
| 20:15.23 | PerfDave | c_olin: No, it wasn't installed by default. You chose which one you wanted to use, at install time. |
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| 20:15.33 | PerfDave | c_olin: It'll be something like kdm, xdm, gdm or similar. |
| 20:15.40 | c_olin | ohhh |
| 20:15.40 | stouset | sgeigerbot: That's what I thought. =\ I figured string theory might have a reasonable speculation by this point, but perhaps not. |
| 20:15.42 | c_olin | it's gdm |
| 20:15.47 | PerfDave | c_olin: THANK YOU |
| 20:15.49 | c_olin | lol |
| 20:15.53 | stouset | stew: Well, they have a mechanism behind them, but often we just don't know what it is. |
| 20:15.56 | sgeigerbot | stouset: I'm not a physicist. |
| 20:16.02 | PerfDave | Jesus, that shouldn't have taken ten minutes. |
| 20:16.07 | stew | stouset: ask $DIETY, he made them |
| 20:16.20 | c_olin | lol |
| 20:16.28 | stouset | stew: Duh, of course! Is he online? |
| 20:16.35 | lildude | ap-cache found lots now what? |
| 20:16.36 | stouset | sgeigerbot: Neither am I. |
| 20:16.36 | apogee | S3 virge not matching for Bus Device section for instance PCI... |
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| 20:16.54 | stew | stouset: not returning my pings |
| 20:17.01 | PerfDave | c_olin: I have no idea about using gdm, or enlightenment for that matter, but running "dpkg-reconfigure kdm" should let you choose kdm as a display manager, and that might give you Enlightenment as a login option |
| 20:17.01 | lildude | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.04 | Eulex | apogee, is that last one really an error message? |
| 20:17.20 | stouset | stew: Ain't that the truth... |
| 20:17.22 | apogee | When did that ,I was asked if its ISA PCI ,but its onboard |
| 20:17.22 | zuralin | Is there anything that exists that will notify me when an operation is complete? Sort of like the little popup that Opera 8.x uses when you have new mail. |
| 20:17.27 | c_olin | PerfDave: Hmm... ok |
| 20:17.30 | sgeigerbot | stew: :-P |
| 20:17.36 | PerfDave | zuralin: What sort of operation? |
| 20:17.38 | c_olin | I'll sscrew around with it for a bit |
| 20:17.42 | apogee | yes...it womnt start x |
| 20:18.03 | apogee | error :Fatal error no screens found |
| 20:18.17 | apogee | thts the lat lie fo the log |
| 20:18.18 | zinx | hah |
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| 20:18.25 | zinx | apogee: that's completely utterly useless |
| 20:18.32 | zinx | apogee: /msg dpkg paster |
| 20:18.41 | apogee | tell what you need zinx |
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| 20:18.47 | zuralin | PerfDave: Like for when a program exists. For example, I am reencoding a bunch of flac's and would like to be notified when the operation is complete instead of having to check every few minutes |
| 20:18.52 | zinx | apogee: the full log, pasted to that URL |
| 20:18.55 | zuralin | exists = exits |
| 20:18.57 | abrotman | or EE lines ? |
| 20:18.57 | Eulex | apogee, that means that there was a problem somewhere caused by something -- check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 20:19.01 | zinx | apogee: and the URL it gives when you paste it there |
| 20:19.08 | PerfDave | zuralin: How are you re-encoding them? How would you like to be notified? |
| 20:19.14 | apogee | gyus ,i use another system |
| 20:19.18 | ma3x | my debian just froze. Black screen, reboot/shutdown key does not reply! How can I find out what it was/ |
| 20:19.24 | abrotman | zuralin: man bash .. there is a variable for exit status |
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| 20:19.39 | zinx | apogee: Your problem can not be diagnosed further without the portion of the logs that describes the problem. |
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| 20:19.52 | apogee | Eulex,the problem WAS that I asked randomly on what the bus id is...its onboard !!@ |
| 20:20.00 | abrotman | stouset: what happened! .. did you hit an anti-stouset ? |
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| 20:20.16 | zuralin | PerfDave, using oggenc. I would prefer a little popup in the corner of my screen (if you use opera, when you get new mail you get that little notification in the corner. Something like that would be ideal) |
| 20:20.26 | Eulex | apogee, afaik you don't need to give it a bus id |
| 20:20.34 | ma3x | Why did my debian block? |
| 20:20.36 | PerfDave | What's Opera got to do with mail? Isn't it a web browser? |
| 20:20.44 | ma3x | black screen, frozen, no key functioning |
| 20:20.45 | zuralin | PerfDave, both |
| 20:20.45 | PerfDave | zuralin: You'll have to script something, but it should be possible. |
| 20:20.46 | ma3x | whats wrong? |
| 20:20.56 | abrotman | PerfDave: when you download stuff in opera .. it does a little toaster popup in the corner .. mail or regular downloads |
| 20:20.59 | Eulex | ma3x, is it possible to ssh into it? |
| 20:21.02 | ma3x | is this some kind of standby mode or what? |
| 20:21.03 | abrotman | and rss also .. and newsgroups actually |
| 20:21.07 | zuralin | lol |
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| 20:21.24 | PerfDave | abrotman: I just didn't realise that Opera had a built-in mail client, since I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole |
| 20:21.24 | ma3x | Eulex, usually to localhost only, I can't open ports |
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| 20:21.33 | ma3x | Eulex, now when I reboot its fine |
| 20:21.34 | abrotman | PerfDave: you might like it .. it's Qt based :) |
| 20:21.39 | ma3x | but what caused the lockup? |
| 20:21.45 | PerfDave | abrotman: It's still adware shit |
| 20:21.56 | PerfDave | zuralin: xmessage is probably your friend here |
| 20:21.59 | apogee | I m gonna do it once more |
| 20:22.00 | abrotman | PerfDave: it actually has quite a bit built into it now .. and seemingly without affecting the speed of the html renderer .. http/mail/news/rss/irc |
| 20:22.10 | apogee | its dpkg .....??? |
| 20:22.11 | Eulex | ma3x, maybe your logs will tell anything useful? |
| 20:22.14 | PerfDave | abrotman: Oh, so it's *bloated* adware shit too now? ;) |
| 20:22.14 | zuralin | PerfDave, ahh thanks, ill look into that |
| 20:22.24 | abrotman | PerfDave: oh .. you can remove that .. either by buying .. or uhm ... i thought you `touch ~/.opera_registration` or some crap like that |
| 20:22.27 | ma3x | Aug 16 20:09:08 ma3x dhclient: bound to 192.168.2.132 -- renewal in 300 seconds. |
| 20:22.31 | PerfDave | zuralin: From your command line, do something like: oggenc thingy; xmessage "oggenc finished" |
| 20:22.34 | ma3x | Aug 16 20:14:08 ma3x dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on wlan0 to 192.168.2.1 port 67 |
| 20:22.34 | ma3x | Aug 16 20:14:08 ma3x dhclient: DHCPACK from 192.168.2.1 |
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| 20:22.39 | ma3x | Why is it renewing every 300 seconds? |
| 20:22.40 | cahoot | zuralin: oggenc 'file' && xmessage ready |
| 20:22.41 | apogee | sorry Eulex please give it once more time.... |
| 20:22.46 | abrotman | PerfDave: not really .. version 5 was like 4MB .. version8 was 7MB i think |
| 20:22.50 | justin | ma3x: because the server told it to? |
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| 20:22.55 | stouset | ma3x: Because your DHCP server has a 300 second lease. |
| 20:22.57 | PerfDave | cahoot: That will fail to notify if oggenc fails. |
| 20:22.59 | greycat | ma3x: because you didn't configure it right? |
| 20:23.11 | ma3x | greycat, I didn't configure it |
| 20:23.14 | cahoot | PerfDave: correct and also redundant - sorry |
| 20:23.14 | ma3x | The owner did |
| 20:23.15 | Eulex | apogee, paste your /var/log//XFree86.0.log using paster |
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| 20:23.22 | ma3x | is it possible to locked up because of this? |
| 20:23.23 | abrotman | PerfDave: it's worth a try anyways .. not going to hurt you to try it i suppose |
| 20:23.35 | Eulex | ma3x, no, it has not got anything to do with it |
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| 20:23.41 | abrotman | PerfDave: you might even .. *gasp* .. like it :) |
| 20:23.49 | PerfDave | abrotman: I'll stick with Firefox, thanks. I don't like Opera. |
| 20:23.57 | ma3x | Eulex, Then I can't figure out why it froze |
| 20:24.00 | PerfDave | And their .debs are crap :) |
| 20:24.03 | apogee | Eulex ,I CANNOT paste ,because Iam using another system [hardware]. |
| 20:24.04 | Eulex | ma3x, possible reasons for the lock up are (1) hardware problem (2) driver problem |
| 20:24.05 | abrotman | PerfDave: what .. no konqueror? |
| 20:24.18 | kurumin | zearherh |
| 20:24.20 | abrotman | PerfDave: their debs are quite good .. better than other unofficial ones .. but i get the static builds |
| 20:24.22 | PerfDave | abrotman: No, I use Firefox, because I'm used to supporting Firefox users on Windows. |
| 20:24.23 | kurumin | sue67u6 |
| 20:24.31 | PerfDave | abrotman: No, their debs are shit, I've had to suffer them. |
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| 20:24.37 | ma3x | Eulex, never had these problems with eth0 interface |
| 20:24.46 | ma3x | Now im using ndiswrapper for my wlan0 driver |
| 20:25.03 | abrotman | PerfDave: how shit? .. i've never had a problem |
| 20:25.05 | Eulex | apogee, then get those logs over to the internet box with ssh or ftp or anything |
| 20:25.17 | PerfDave | abrotman: It doesn't put the software in the menu :) |
| 20:25.30 | Eulex | ma3x, may be any hardware in your box |
| 20:25.31 | abrotman | PerfDave: oh .. i never looked . i made an icon on the toolbar :) |
| 20:25.33 | zuralin | ooo, found out about gmessage thanks to apt-cache search xmessage.. thanks alot everyone |
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| 20:25.45 | ma3x | Eulex, I'm telling you it never happened before |
| 20:25.46 | abrotman | PerfDave: really .. i've never looked .. if you remind me later i'll look to see if they've fixed that |
| 20:25.51 | lildude | i am in root so what do i do next for wireless |
| 20:25.54 | ma3x | Why it would be hardware? |
| 20:25.55 | Eulex | ma3x, ok, sure |
| 20:26.05 | PerfDave | abrotman: They hadn't as of about a week ago |
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| 20:26.09 | abrotman | ma3x: because software runs on hardware |
| 20:26.12 | apogee | Eulex ,i fixed it...ran it again,with niull bus id ....THANK YOU |
| 20:26.48 | Eulex | ma3x, debian doesn't lockup because of software -- it's hardware or hardware drivers, or maybe a misc kernel bug |
| 20:27.01 | Eulex | apogee, yw -- did you get yer resolutions? |
| 20:27.05 | Zizou | Hi..I dont know why ones in a while my cdrom doesnt let me eject my cds..I usually umount it before eject but some times it doesnt let me...iven if y try as root it tells me that the device is busy...what could it be? |
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| 20:27.14 | PerfDave | Eulex: Uhm, if ma3x is loading Windows drivers into his kernel, it's entirely possible that that could cause it to lock. |
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| 20:27.22 | Supaplex | well, there's always the user imposed forkbomb or denial of resource attack :P |
| 20:27.34 | PerfDave | Zizou: Use "lsof" to find out what processes are accessing the CD? |
| 20:27.35 | ma3x | Eulex, PerfDave well for my wlan0, no other solution |
| 20:27.37 | dondelelcaro | Zizou: probably because something is actually using the cdrom; lsof cdrom; to see what it is. |
| 20:27.41 | abrotman | PerfDave: maybe i'll be good and submit a bug for you :) |
| 20:27.48 | PerfDave | ma3x: Buying hardware that's supported by Linux is a solution ;) |
| 20:27.57 | Eulex | PerfDave, yep, I laughed out loud when he told me he hadn't got any problems before and he were using ndiswrapper |
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| 20:28.07 | apogee | Yes .But now I have a keyboard problem :=) |
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| 20:28.13 | apogee | on X |
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| 20:28.20 | Eulex | apogee, of what kind? |
| 20:28.27 | vitriol | anbody know if there is a 64 bit driver available for the BCM4318? i am only finding (on google) links to forums and blogs complaining about a lack of 64 bit drivers for this wireless card |
| 20:28.51 | ma3x | PerfDave, not my fault, shops don't have always that kind of hardware |
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| 20:29.06 | Supaplex | alias forkbomb='while : ; do tail -f /dev/urandom & done ; wait' |
| 20:29.07 | PerfDave | ma3x: There's this thing called "the internet", it's great for shopping, or so I hear. |
| 20:29.08 | Supaplex | :P |
| 20:29.10 | Zizou | dondelelcaro,I code isof cdrom? |
| 20:29.19 | ma3x | But does a lockup look like this: black screen, no key reaction, nothing |
| 20:29.32 | Eulex | ma3x, yep |
| 20:29.34 | ma3x | PerfDave, that's true! |
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| 20:30.00 | ma3x | but hell I got mislead. Thought USR or Dlink was great |
| 20:30.02 | apogee | I got an error amessage on X saying...wait for me to type some of it |
| 20:30.09 | Eulex | ma3x, that's a hard lockup |
| 20:30.15 | vitriol | PerfDave: my wireless card only runs with ndiswrapper |
| 20:30.25 | vitriol | PerfDave: if you have a better solution, i'm all ears |
| 20:30.31 | apogee | Error activating XBK configuration |
| 20:30.31 | ma3x | vitriol, the same for me |
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| 20:30.40 | PerfDave | vitriol: Get a better wireless card :) |
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| 20:30.46 | vitriol | ma3x: you just running regular 32 bit debian? |
| 20:30.51 | apogee | Probably internal X server problem |
| 20:30.58 | vitriol | PerfDave: when's the last time you changed an internal wireless card in a laptop? |
| 20:30.59 | ma3x | vitriol, yes |
| 20:31.14 | ma3x | vitriol, you read Coelho's books? |
| 20:31.15 | Eulex | ma3x & vitriol, just out of interest, what chipset does your wireless cards use? |
| 20:31.18 | PerfDave | vitriol: Buy a better laptop, or get a PCMCIA card. |
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| 20:31.27 | ma3x | Eulex, acx I think |
| 20:31.28 | apogee | There are know problems with complex XKB Configurations |
| 20:31.31 | sgeigerbot | vitriol: a pcmcia card is an easy choice. |
| 20:31.33 | vitriol | ma3x: no...related subject? |
| 20:31.51 | vitriol | yes there are pcmcia cards....but i'm just going to do what ma3x did and run 32 bit debian |
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| 20:32.03 | PerfDave | vitriol: Sucks to be you :) |
| 20:32.14 | ma3x | vitriol, why you gonna install 32 bit/ |
| 20:32.24 | vitriol | yeah i've done all the bitching i can possibly do on the subject atm :) |
| 20:32.27 | Zombie | Hello. I'm trying to get apt-get working on my RPM based systems Using Synaptic |
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| 20:32.36 | Eulex | vitriol, internal wireless card in a laptop sounds like ipw2200 or ipw2100 |
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| 20:32.50 | ma3x | there are acx drivers, but I'm not familiar with cvs to install them |
| 20:32.55 | vitriol | Eulex: nah its a BCM4318 |
| 20:33.01 | PerfDave | Zombie: What distro are you running? |
| 20:33.03 | jdhutchin1 | Zombie, what distro? you should probably ask there, we don't know about putting apt-get with rpm |
| 20:33.06 | vitriol | Eulex: it's not even supported in 64bit windows yet |
| 20:33.09 | Zombie | I am confused about some aspects of the sources.list file. |
| 20:33.09 | vitriol | really new |
| 20:33.13 | Fuwex | I'm pretty much a newb with Linux, well, I've had Debian for some time now, but I have very little knowledge, as it's only a server residing in my basement. Well, I have some problems with MySQL. I'm running a game server, but one of the plugins causes the pc to freeze from time to time, and for some reason, MySQL shuts down. So, basically, I need a script that does something like "mysqladmin ping" once a minute, and if it can't ping the MySQL, |
| 20:33.17 | Eulex | vitriol, hmm |
| 20:33.17 | Fuwex | it will try to start it up |
| 20:33.18 | Zombie | Mandrake 10.2 |
| 20:33.32 | PerfDave | Zombie: #mandrake |
| 20:33.36 | Zombie | Tried. |
| 20:33.45 | Eulex | !they don't know |
| 20:33.45 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 20:34.00 | Eulex | hmm, they changed molest to hassle... |
| 20:34.05 | Fuwex | so, well, I was wondering if somebody could help me put together such a script? |
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| 20:34.18 | Zombie | I just need something about sources.list answered. |
| 20:34.26 | PerfDave | Zombie: man sources.list |
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| 20:34.38 | s_ward | Eulex, maybe "they" were feeling insecure about "molesting" |
| 20:34.54 | sgeigerbot | Zombie: If you needed something answered, why didn't you ask a question? |
| 20:35.05 | PerfDave | Eulex, s_ward: I changed it, because people were complaining, possibly rightly, about it being overly emotive. |
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| 20:35.16 | Eulex | hehe, yeah |
| 20:35.18 | Zombie | Allright. |
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| 20:35.38 | Zombie | My cataloge files are located in some directories ratherr obscuree to apy. |
| 20:35.41 | PerfDave | Zombie: If you want to use apt-get, and want #debian's help, try installing Debian. It's very good you know :) |
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| 20:36.04 | Zombie | Its confusing the path to the synthesis catalogue to |
| 20:36.07 | PerfDave | Zombie: If Mandrake doesn't provide a manpage for sources.list, and #mandrake and other Mandrake help channels can't help, then you're probably SOL. |
| 20:36.16 | jdhutchin1 | ZombB, sources.list doesn't tell apt where the cache files are |
| 20:36.19 | tarzeau | !SOL |
| 20:36.19 | dpkg | hmm... sol is Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
| 20:36.42 | apogee | Eulex ,any ideas for fixing the keyboard ???? how do I send the out to a floppy ??? |
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| 20:36.43 | PerfDave | Mmm, beer, that seems quite tempting. |
| 20:36.44 | sgeigerbot | Zombie: You might be able to trick it with symlinks... Really, though, Debian is better than what you are using. |
| 20:36.57 | Zombie | Its confusing the path to the synthesis catalogue to the actual path of the RPMS. |
| 20:37.03 | sgeigerbot | PerfDave: Damn...you just reminded me: I have beer at home. What am I doing at work! |
| 20:37.10 | Fuwex | What's the simplest way to limit HTTP activity to a specific amount of kilobytes, say 40 kb/sec ? |
| 20:37.11 | PerfDave | sgeigerbot: RUN! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE! |
| 20:37.13 | beeblebrox87 | my CDROM drive works fine in knoppix, but debian installer (with both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels) fails to mount it. any idea what could be wrong? |
| 20:37.15 | greycat | when did RPMs become on-topic in #debian? |
| 20:37.19 | greycat | oh yeah.... NEVER. |
| 20:37.26 | tarzeau | Fuwex: thttpd or mod_throttle or wondershaper |
| 20:37.29 | PerfDave | greycat: When Zombie didn't take the hint about asking Mandrake channels :) |
| 20:37.37 | Zombie | as the synthesis cataloge is two parents up from the location of the actual RPMs or SRPMS. |
| 20:37.38 | jdhutchin1 | Zombie, apt does not handle packages and cache files the same way rpm does. |
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| 20:37.54 | jdhutchin1 | Zombie, we have no interest in getting apt to read rpm cache/database files, so if you can't get it to work, you're kinda SOL |
| 20:37.56 | greycat | about the only on-topic thing we can say about RPMs is "sometimes when you use alien on them, you get lucky and they DON'T eat your baby" |
| 20:38.09 | PerfDave | Zombie: See, "synthesis catalogue" and "path to RPMs" shows that you're not having a problem that #debian can help you with. You may be using a program called "apt-get", but it's not Debian's apt-get. Go ask #mandrake or install Debian. |
| 20:38.13 | sgeigerbot | Zombie: What you are doing has nothing to do with Debian. |
| 20:38.14 | Fuwex | tarzeau, I've tried wondershaper before, but I just ended up limiting my Local area network to only 1000 kb/sec, compared to 100000 :/ |
| 20:38.14 | apogee | Eulex ,any ideas |
| 20:38.24 | Fuwex | tarzeau, I guess I'll take a look at thttpd |
| 20:38.25 | tarzeau | Fuwex: hehe |
| 20:38.27 | SerajewelKS | is there a channel for arranging matches of various linux games? |
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| 20:38.41 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: matches as in competitions? |
| 20:38.41 | sgeigerbot | !never |
| 20:38.41 | dpkg | methinks never is when woody will release |
| 20:38.45 | deepak | hi |
| 20:38.49 | greycat | heh |
| 20:38.49 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau, and/or cooperations ;) |
| 20:38.52 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: there's #bub-n-bros and www.mtp-target.org #freeciv ? |
| 20:38.52 | Delph | SerajewelKS: you're probably best off on quakenet/enterthegame something like that... |
| 20:38.53 | Zombie | I can show you my sources.list. |
| 20:38.54 | greycat | !factinfo never |
| 20:38.54 | dpkg | never -- created by Timmmm <t@host213-123-44-183.in-addr.btopenworld.com> at Wed Jun 26 20:06:30 2002 (1147 days); it has been requested 8 times, last by sgeigerbot, 13s ago. |
| 20:38.56 | subgv | Any ideas, on setting up the RPC domain controller and joining the domain using win2k? |
| 20:38.59 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: like, help me kill that blue dude? |
| 20:38.59 | Fuwex | tarzeau, apt-get install thttpd I presume? |
| 20:39.02 | Delph | if you're talking popular games. |
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| 20:39.05 | tarzeau | Fuwex: yep |
| 20:39.11 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau, maybe... just games in general... e.g. crack-attack |
| 20:39.26 | deepak | can any one tell me that if i am usign mount through root ,but its giving me permission denied ,, |
| 20:39.27 | wiegehts | !factinfo rtfm |
| 20:39.27 | dpkg | rtfm -- last modified at Wed Dec 24 07:14:56 2003 by dondelelcaro!~don@archimedes.ucr.edu; it has been requested 147 times, last by karsten at Sat Jul 30 12:21:46 2005. |
| 20:39.34 | deepak | what should i do ??? |
| 20:39.37 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: don't let tarzeau lead you to #bub-n-bros |
| 20:39.43 | greycat | deepak: look in the server's logs |
| 20:39.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: why not? |
| 20:39.46 | wiegehts | i would think that would be alot higher |
| 20:39.53 | SerajewelKS | !factinfo ask to ask |
| 20:39.57 | dpkg | ask to ask -- created by Shizukesa <magister@cj47763-a.dlcty1.va.home.com> at Mon Mar 20 17:56:41 2000 (1975 days); it has been requested 51 times, last by SerajewelKS, 2d 2h 7m 36s ago. |
| 20:39.57 | a_arcane | When trying to configure mutt to use msmtp i get the following error in mutt. msmtp: /home/user/.mstprc must have no more then user +read/write permission. What should i make out of that? |
| 20:40.01 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: crack attack? reminds me of dopewars.. somehow |
| 20:40.09 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: know #nethack ? |
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| 20:40.25 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau, yeah it's like dope wars... but it's unrelated to drugs, and isn't a commerce game ;) |
| 20:40.29 | greycat | yay, zombie's parent woke up and reaped him! |
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| 20:40.39 | Fuwex | tarzeau, oh, it's a full HTTP server? Hmm, I don't wanna change my current set up as apache, I'll try the mod_throttle then... You figure, I, the ubernoob could manage to set it up? |
| 20:40.40 | deepak | ok.. |
| 20:40.44 | SerajewelKS | green_earz, s/re/r/ |
| 20:40.46 | SerajewelKS | err |
| 20:40.48 | Eulex | apogee, I dunno -- it was working before, right? did you provide the right keyboard settings to it? what errors did you get exactly? |
| 20:40.52 | SerajewelKS | s/green_earz/greycat/ |
| 20:40.58 | tarzeau | Fuwex: you can run thttpd on another port for only say mpeg media? |
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| 20:41.09 | tarzeau | Fuwex: no idea, i've never used mod_throttle |
| 20:41.10 | Fuwex | tarzeau, oO |
| 20:41.32 | Fuwex | tarzeau, I'll test mod_throttle first, then if I don't get that working, I'll try thttpd, for my downloads |
| 20:41.33 | greycat | SerajewelKS: if you do that to a zombie, it's not called rape. it's necrophilia or similar. |
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| 20:41.58 | SerajewelKS | greycat, ok... |
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| 20:42.13 | apogee | Eulex ,"can't find file pc/gr for symbols include" is part of the error message |
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| 20:42.36 | Fuwex | tarzeau, is mod_throttle by any chance an apache mod...? I can't find it in apt-cache atleast |
| 20:42.40 | FromTO | I have my touchpad disabled in the BIOS but it still working. How do I disable it. kernel 2.6.12.3 |
| 20:42.47 | apogee | When started installation chose English for language and location Greece |
| 20:42.49 | tarzeau | Fuwex: i have so absolutely no idea |
| 20:42.53 | greycat | !find mod_throttle sarge |
| 20:42.56 | Fuwex | tarzeau, okay :) |
| 20:43.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mod_throttle' returned no results. |
| 20:43.10 | Fuwex | hmm |
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| 20:43.13 | greycat | try google |
| 20:43.23 | Fuwex | just gonna test something else first.. |
| 20:43.31 | Eulex | apogee, would it be possible to paste the full error with paster? could you transfer the log with shh or ftp or whatever? |
| 20:43.34 | Fuwex | tarzeau, can I limit wondershaper only to HTTP traffic? port 80 that is? |
| 20:43.43 | tarzeau | Fuwex: no idea, either |
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| 20:43.56 | tarzeau | Fuwex: but i can help you with nethack if you want |
| 20:43.58 | Fuwex | tarzeau, okay, I'll read some in the manuals, thanks for your help... I'll probably need more though, eh |
| 20:44.01 | apogee | Eulex yes it was working before [sorry if I miss some message use KVM switch for switching between these 2 pcs] |
| 20:44.04 | Fuwex | tarzeau, what's nethack? |
| 20:44.10 | tarzeau | Fuwex: the best shell! |
| 20:44.21 | Fuwex | tarzeau, shell? Like, a command line? ;P |
| 20:44.27 | tarzeau | Fuwex: yes but the best |
| 20:44.37 | Fuwex | tarzeau, can it limit HTTP traffic? |
| 20:44.41 | tarzeau | Fuwex: no idea |
| 20:44.44 | PeterB | tarzeau: Will I be addicted for hours and hours if I try nethack? |
| 20:44.44 | Fuwex | lol |
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| 20:44.53 | tarzeau | PeterB: heheh WRONG QUESTION |
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| 20:45.07 | tarzeau | PeterB: make that month, no better years |
| 20:45.12 | shad0wcat | heh |
| 20:45.13 | Aapzak | guys, is the KDE from unstable 3.3.2 at the moment? and is xorg allready in unstable? |
| 20:45.20 | Maulkin | Nethack? Shell? Ed is the one true shell(tm) :) |
| 20:45.24 | dogwater | im addicated to world of warcraft |
| 20:45.27 | apogee | can I pipe the log to a disc ??? |
| 20:45.30 | PeterB | tarzeau: Got that, thanks. |
| 20:45.36 | shad0wcat | Aapzak: packages.debian.org |
| 20:45.39 | shad0wcat | check it out yourself |
| 20:45.40 | tarzeau | PeterB: you can kill GNOMEs in it ;) |
| 20:45.44 | apogee | so i can paste it here ?? |
| 20:45.49 | shad0wcat | !paste |
| 20:45.49 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 20:45.56 | vietamine | hi |
| 20:46.05 | Eulex | apogee, so -- do you know if you did anything differently this time around? |
| 20:46.07 | PeterB | tarzeau: I don't have any. |
| 20:46.09 | tarzeau | PeterB: it's really so funny, just try it once. imagine you ride on a dragon called KDE with a blessed sunsword ripping the flesh and blood out of GNOMEs |
| 20:46.18 | rasp1 | I tried to insmod a driver module, but gave an error of:-1 unkown symbol in module |
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| 20:46.33 | PeterB | tarzeau: Haha. |
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| 20:46.40 | sleek | is it possible to insmod a module even if i get the "couldn't find the kernel version the module was compiled for" error? |
| 20:46.46 | beeblebrox87 | my CDROM drive works fine in knoppix, but debian installer (with both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels) fails to mount it. any idea what could be wrong? |
| 20:46.46 | vietamine | i need help installing a system on a hardware sata raid-1 plz |
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| 20:46.57 | Yns | Hi , I'm having problems about connecting to internet with Cnet ethernet card.Should I install a patch for kernel ? Any idea ? |
| 20:46.59 | Yns | * I'm in kubuntu. |
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| 20:47.02 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: You've been asking for a while, it might be worth asking on # |
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| 20:47.09 | PerfDave | Yns: #ubuntu |
| 20:47.09 | stouset | Yns: Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 20:47.10 | apogee | Eulex, When I started this installation I declared English lang ,and location Athens.I also chose greek kbd layout |
| 20:47.12 | vietamine | i've defined the array into the bios of the card, but what to do during install plz ? |
| 20:47.17 | Aapzak | typical Debian answer :( |
| 20:47.20 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: Sorry, it might be worth asking on debian-user or a similar mailing list. |
| 20:47.22 | Yns | oke thnx |
| 20:47.24 | rasp1 | PeterB: same peterB from Ars? |
| 20:47.35 | apogee | don't know...maybe try format drive and doit again |
| 20:47.38 | PeterB | rasp1: Ars what? Doubt it. |
| 20:47.40 | Fuwex | If I put wondershaper on my eth0 (which is both LAN and Internet, as we've got a router), and then set the up and downlink to 12500 kb/sec (as of 100 mbit LAN connection, isn't that 12500 kb/sec?), will that prioritize properly for the internet too then? |
| 20:47.44 | PerfDave | Aapzak: It's the typical Debian answer to Ubuntu users ;) |
| 20:47.45 | stouset | Aapzak: How is that different than if we were #redhat? |
| 20:47.55 | Aapzak | PerfDave: I'm not a Ubuntu user |
| 20:47.59 | rasp1 | PeterB: Arstechnica |
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| 20:48.06 | PeterB | rasp1: Nope. |
| 20:48.07 | apogee | using english settings only |
| 20:48.09 | Aapzak | try Gentoo, much nicer people |
| 20:48.13 | Aapzak | sry |
| 20:48.26 | Eulex | apogee, I have no idea what the cause may be -- you may get help by somebody if you manage to transfer the full error message and anything that appears in the logs |
| 20:48.26 | Aapzak | I don't want to make such a general statement |
| 20:48.27 | oskie | does anyone know what editor the guy in the 15m intro video on http://www.rubyonrails.com/ uses? |
| 20:48.28 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: 700 debian users and nobody has ever had this problem before? |
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| 20:48.49 | tarzeau | Aapzak: that just got your karma way down below 0 |
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| 20:48.59 | apogee | how do I copy it to a disc...cp "what ^ where" |
| 20:49.03 | Aapzak | I don't have karma |
| 20:49.12 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: Evidently not, otherwise they'd answer you. The only time I had a similar problem was with a SATA-based system, and I already asked you whether or not you had SATA. |
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| 20:49.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@ip44-163-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:49.12 | tarzeau | hi Momow |
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| 20:49.15 | PerfDave | Aapzak: No, not any more ;) |
| 20:49.20 | Momow | hi |
| 20:49.22 | PerfDave | Aapzak: No, not any more ;) |
| 20:49.27 | tarzeau | PeterB: hehe ;) |
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| 20:49.35 | ma3x | this is stupid, installation is giving some errors |
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| 20:49.40 | ma3x | can an expert see my log please? |
| 20:50.07 | Eulex | Aapzak, so gentoo people wouldn't complain if a lunarlinux guy asked questions in their channel? |
| 20:50.15 | oskie | now that scite/scintilla is broken... (or at least it was) what editor do you recommend? |
| 20:50.23 | dogwater | Hi, i used kpkg-make to build a kernel with the --initrd and it doesnt appear to create an initrd file |
| 20:50.27 | dogwater | any idea what i need to do? |
| 20:50.30 | dondelelcaro | Eulex: gentoo is OT here; feel free to take it elsewhere. |
| 20:50.31 | PerfDave | Eulex: No, #gentoo tell *everyone* to fuck off, even the Gentoo users ;) |
| 20:50.55 | rasp1 | tarzeau: I took down the old driver with modprobe, then I think I removed it with depmod. But I get an error when I insmod it. |
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| 20:51.23 | ma3x | PerfDave, can you please give me a hint what's troubling the installation? here is the link of my output |
| 20:51.25 | apogee | hey ,how do I get this log copied ,where the thing is ??? |
| 20:51.27 | tarzeau | rasp1: still i have no idea about .ko, i still got .o |
| 20:51.28 | ma3x | http://pastebin.com/338521 |
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| 20:51.50 | ma3x | if anybody helps i would appreciate it very much |
| 20:51.58 | ma3x | i want to get rid of those ndiswrapper once for all |
| 20:52.06 | stouset | PerfDave: Fuck off, I used to be a Gentoo user and we are not like that |
| 20:52.21 | jimd | "Origin Signature check failed" --- brand new installation of Sarge: which M do I F'ing R for that? |
| 20:52.23 | dondelelcaro | stouset, PerfDave: take it elsewhere or be devoiced, please. |
| 20:52.39 | stouset | dondelelcaro: It...was a joke =\ |
| 20:52.42 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Do you do anything other than +q people these days? |
| 20:52.57 | stouset | dondelelcaro: Given, not a very funny one, but my best effort nonetheless. |
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| 20:53.21 | PerfDave | ma3x: I have no idea what your problem is, I suggest you ask the acx100 guys about it |
| 20:53.36 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: read d-d-a and your question will be answered for you. |
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| 20:53.53 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: I'll take that as a no then :) |
| 20:53.59 | Shaun | is there a package that will setup all the colors for files/dirs/etc or do i have to create it manually. |
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| 20:54.06 | rasp1 | tarzeau: I have a .o file as well mod.c and mod.o and a _n.c and _n.o file |
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| 20:54.14 | jimd | dpkg --force-all --install works, though :( |
| 20:54.24 | PerfDave | Shaun: Do you mean colours in bash? They should be there by default (but not as root) |
| 20:54.27 | Phroziac | what do i need to apt-get to install a java runtime environment so i can run a .jar program? |
| 20:54.27 | SerajewelKS | is there a known reason why dmesg would be filled with this? |
| 20:54.29 | Shaun | ya |
| 20:54.29 | SerajewelKS | apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x07 (Driver version 1.16ac) |
| 20:54.29 | SerajewelKS | apm: disabled on user request. |
| 20:54.32 | PerfDave | Shaun: Sorry, colours in ls |
| 20:54.32 | Shaun | why not as root |
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| 20:54.40 | Code_X | Hi |
| 20:54.42 | PerfDave | Shaun: They just aren't, by default. |
| 20:54.52 | Code_X | i can`t run X in Debian |
| 20:55.00 | PerfDave | Phroziac: free-java-sdk may give you what you want. It depends what version of Java the .jar wants. |
| 20:55.01 | tarzeau | rasp1: heh :) you're funny |
| 20:55.05 | SerajewelKS | Code_X, which X? Xfree? Xorg? |
| 20:55.12 | tarzeau | rasp1: wanna try 2.4.31 kernel? |
| 20:55.13 | Code_X | Xfree |
| 20:55.13 | stouset | Shaun: root should, as a matter of principle, have as few frills as possible. Frills = potential breakage. |
| 20:55.16 | PerfDave | Code_X: What happens when you try? |
| 20:55.23 | SerajewelKS | Code_X, what video card? |
| 20:55.27 | rasp1 | tarzeau: thank you I think. :) |
| 20:55.33 | Code_X | i think is the frecuency of the monitor |
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| 20:55.41 | Code_X | but i use xf86config |
| 20:55.41 | Phroziac | PerfDave: 1.4 or 1.5. sdk? i'm just running it, not compiling anything. |
| 20:55.43 | stouset | Shaun: Assuming you feel a compelling need to have colors for root, just set an alias from ls to ls --color=auto. This can be done in your .bashrc, too. |
| 20:55.43 | Code_X | but nothing |
| 20:56.01 | SerajewelKS | !xcfg |
| 20:56.01 | dpkg | from memory, xcfg is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:56.05 | SerajewelKS | Code_X, try that |
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| 20:56.31 | Code_X | ok |
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| 20:56.34 | Code_X | thanks |
| 20:56.37 | PerfDave | Phroziac: free-java-sdk has a lot of the Free (i.e. non-Sun and non-Sun-derived) Java utils, I believe; I understand that it's the only Java that Debian can supply. |
| 20:56.38 | tarzeau | rasp1: is that a yes i'll try or no thanks? |
| 20:56.41 | pavlix | CompWizrd: but check the modified date |
| 20:56.49 | abrotman | !tell Phroziac about install java |
| 20:56.51 | pavlix | sorry... Code_X |
| 20:56.52 | SerajewelKS | Code_X, also see !xmd5 |
| 20:56.55 | PerfDave | Code_X: If you use xf86config, then dpkg-reconfigure won't work. /msg dpkg x md5 |
| 20:57.04 | tarzeau | rasp1: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ if you try and tell me what module you need (including the source) i'll try to build it for ya |
| 20:57.08 | Phroziac | PerfDave: ok |
| 20:57.15 | dangerr | i recently moved, and at my new place, my debian build suddenly cant get assign an IP.. |
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| 20:57.21 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: no, seriously, read d-d-a, and you'll see some of what I've been working on. Here's a big hint: bugs.debian.org. |
| 20:57.32 | SerajewelKS | dangerr, is it using DHCP? |
| 20:57.34 | dangerr | yeah |
| 20:57.35 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: That's great. Do you do anything on IRC other than +q people? |
| 20:57.43 | SerajewelKS | dangerr, do you have a DHCP server at your new home? |
| 20:57.44 | Code_X | xmd5 |
| 20:57.45 | dangerr | i had roadrunner cable before, and i moved and got the same thing |
| 20:57.46 | Code_X | ? |
| 20:57.59 | rasp1 | tarzeau: ftp://61.56.86.122/cn/nic/rtl8169rtl8169sbrtl8110sb/linux-8169(221).zip |
| 20:58.01 | dangerr | i dunno i have the cable modem it came with |
| 20:58.18 | dangerr | say and a switch splitting off the connection |
| 20:58.19 | SerajewelKS | dangerr, okay, then roadrunner should have a DHCP server. do you need to login, or does the modem contain the login info? |
| 20:58.28 | dangerr | modem does all that stuff |
| 20:58.35 | SerajewelKS | dangerr, did you get the modem updated? |
| 20:58.37 | Phroziac | by the way, i LOVE dpkg's answer for java-package. |
| 20:58.51 | jimd | Google/Linux suggests it's a debsig thing. |
| 20:58.53 | SerajewelKS | dangerr, and, if you plug a windows box directly into the modem, does it find an IP? |
| 20:58.56 | dangerr | no, i havent flashed it or anything like that, but its very new |
| 20:58.57 | dangerr | yeah |
| 20:58.59 | dangerr | immediately |
| 20:59.04 | dangerr | just like at my old palce |
| 20:59.04 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: you can answer that yourself with lastlog. |
| 20:59.06 | SerajewelKS | dangerr, hmm... |
| 20:59.11 | tarzeau | rasp1: i did download. are you around tomorrow? |
| 20:59.17 | dangerr | i know, its really weird right |
| 20:59.21 | dangerr | i thought it might be the switch |
| 20:59.21 | SerajewelKS | dangerr, the windows box is on the switch too? |
| 20:59.26 | dangerr | so i replaced it with a diff switch |
| 20:59.26 | dangerr | yes |
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| 20:59.31 | dangerr | both switches worked for my win box |
| 20:59.35 | dangerr | neither for my debian |
| 20:59.35 | Eulex | dondelelcaro, hey, I was just making a metaphor for them ubuntu users |
| 20:59.36 | rasp1 | tarzeau: yes. I can be. |
| 20:59.38 | Code_X | PerfDave: but how is the comand exactly? |
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| 20:59.47 | SerajewelKS | dangerr, can the linux box find an IP if the windows box is unplugged from the switch? |
| 21:00.01 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: I'll take that as a no too. |
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| 21:00.03 | dangerr | havent tried that, but i have multiple win boxes connected |
| 21:00.05 | PerfDave | Code_X: What command? |
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| 21:00.09 | dangerr | should i try making it the only thing connected? |
| 21:00.17 | FromTO | is there a way to disable touchpad through tpconfig. I tried -t 0 but it does nothing |
| 21:00.18 | Code_X | to configure X in Debian |
| 21:00.18 | SerajewelKS | dangerr, do each of the win boxes get a different IP? (hope they do...) |
| 21:00.25 | apogee | Eulex ,I will install from scratch once agian...what u think ??? |
| 21:00.30 | tarzeau | rasp1: i'm awake during europe time |
| 21:00.32 | Code_X | i have FlatScreen |
| 21:00.35 | Code_X | TFT |
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| 21:00.52 | rasp1 | Just give me a time and I can be here. |
| 21:01.04 | SerajewelKS | dangerr, if they do, paste me a few of them |
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| 21:01.07 | PerfDave | Code_X: The command is "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", as you've been told. But as you've been told that won't work because you used xf86config to overwrite your X configuration file, so you need to follow the instructions given by asking dpkg about "x md5sum" to fix that fist. |
| 21:01.12 | PerfDave | s/fist/first/ |
| 21:01.16 | Eulex | apogee, dumb |
| 21:01.17 | dangerr | lets see |
| 21:01.19 | SerajewelKS | !tell Code_X about xmd5 |
| 21:01.23 | dangerr | im dumb, how can i do that from a dos terminal again |
| 21:01.27 | Eulex | apogee, find the cause of the problem instead |
| 21:01.28 | jimd | Of offense, but is anyone seeing the words that I'm typing? |
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| 21:01.32 | jimd | No offense, even |
| 21:01.35 | drac | PerfDave: Nice typo. :-) |
| 21:01.40 | apogee | Eulex ,any ideas ??? |
| 21:01.42 | SerajewelKS | dangerr, are these XP boxes? |
| 21:01.46 | dangerr | yep |
| 21:01.49 | PerfDave | jimd: I appear to be seeing them |
| 21:01.53 | Code_X | xmd5? |
| 21:01.53 | SerajewelKS | dangerr, i /think/ ipconfig will show you.. not sure |
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| 21:01.58 | dangerr | oh yeah thats it |
| 21:01.59 | rasp1 | tarzeau: just give me a time and I will be here. |
| 21:01.59 | dangerr | hehe |
| 21:02.00 | jimd | dangerr ipconfig |
| 21:02.20 | jimd | PerfDave: thanks; that's reassuring |
| 21:02.35 | tarzeau | rasp1: let's say in 11 hours |
| 21:02.36 | Code_X | what is xmd5? |
| 21:02.37 | Eulex | apogee, if you manage to paste the full error and the contents of your X log here, you may get help -- otherwise it's just you who can have any idea of what is wrong |
| 21:02.42 | SerajewelKS | Code_X, read what dpkg says |
| 21:02.45 | SerajewelKS | !tell Code_X about xmd5 |
| 21:02.48 | Eulex | !tell Code_X about xmd5 |
| 21:03.01 | Eulex | :D |
| 21:03.04 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: are you guys planning a rumble? |
| 21:03.08 | apogee | Eulex ,ok just TELL ME WHERE is the log file...... |
| 21:03.19 | drac | apogee: Don't shout, my ears hurt |
| 21:03.20 | Code_X | Eulex: what is xmd5? |
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| 21:03.26 | SerajewelKS | Code_X, READ WHAT DPKG SAYS |
| 21:03.30 | dondelelcaro | apogee: it's /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 21:03.47 | PerfDave | Code_X: You're using mIRC. You should have a PM window from dpkg. Read it. |
| 21:03.50 | sgeigerbot | !tell me about xmd5 |
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| 21:03.59 | PerfDave | Code_X: If you don't, then open one, and type "x md5sum" |
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| 21:04.19 | drac | shrug |
| 21:04.41 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: what's a rumble? |
| 21:04.47 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: a fight. |
| 21:04.53 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: against who? |
| 21:05.03 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: with eachother |
| 21:05.06 | drac | tonight, x md5sum vs. drxx |
| 21:05.12 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: nah, we will be trolling in here about ubuntu |
| 21:05.42 | SerajewelKS | dangerr, okay, the other windows box |
| 21:05.45 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: "a fight between rival gangs of adolescents" |
| 21:05.52 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: i've read the dict entry |
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| 21:06.02 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: why do you think i'm adolescent? |
| 21:06.09 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: :-) |
| 21:06.14 | akki | hello can somebody help me with Trusted Root CA's in accordance with wpa supplicant |
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| 21:06.36 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: You don't have to be an adolescent to rumble...but it doesn't hurt. |
| 21:06.45 | Code_X | ok |
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| 21:07.06 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: can you also ask silly ubuntu questions in here? join us in 11 hours |
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| 21:07.23 | bashman | Hi... Happy DaY |
| 21:07.39 | sgeigerbot | ~pig tarzeau |
| 21:07.39 | apt | '' |
| 21:07.43 | sgeigerbot | :-( |
| 21:07.51 | Code_X | to use apache in Debian? |
| 21:07.51 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: come on i was kidding |
| 21:07.56 | Code_X | is complicated? |
| 21:08.03 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: :-) I was too, of course. |
| 21:08.12 | _AsA | devdebian:~# apm |
| 21:08.13 | _AsA | No APM support in kernel |
| 21:08.19 | akki | hello can somebody help me with Trusted Root CA's in accordance with wpa supplicant? |
| 21:08.31 | bashman | apt-get --limit-rate... exist? |
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| 21:09.02 | PerfDave | bashman: man apt-get |
| 21:09.10 | PerfDave | bashman: Try also man apt.conf, you may be able to specify it there. |
| 21:09.22 | bashman | PerfDave, Thanks! ^o) |
| 21:09.29 | dondelelcaro | bashman: no; if you think you need that sort of thing, you should really set up a traffic shapper or similar. |
| 21:09.33 | zuralin | bashman, if it doesn't exist try installing trickle |
| 21:09.33 | Code_X | now, apt-get is all you need to manage packages? |
| 21:09.40 | Code_X | is more easy? |
| 21:09.48 | sgeigerbot | bashman: http://www.lartc.org/lartc.html 15.9. Rate limiting a single host or netmask |
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| 21:10.28 | PerfDave | Code_X: Between apt-get and dpkg-reconfigure, you should have pretty much everythign you need. |
| 21:10.29 | bashman | sgeigerbot, ok. Thanks. i no speak english very well. Thanks |
| 21:10.59 | Code_X | PerfDave: what do you mean? |
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| 21:11.32 | PerfDave | Code_X: apt-get is all you need to install and remove packages, dpkg-reconfigure is all you need to reconfigure them. |
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| 21:11.40 | Code_X | ok |
| 21:11.41 | PerfDave | Code_X: Hence between them you have pretty much everything you need to manage packages. |
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| 21:11.56 | jimd | So, I've got apt-get and aptitude working again by disabling debsig-verify in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg; but how would I populate /etc/debsig/policies with appropriate policy and keyring files? |
| 21:12.13 | jimd | Where's the HOWTO on that? |
| 21:12.29 | PerfDave | jimd: Did you /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 21:12.30 | PerfDave | ? |
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| 21:13.21 | Eulex | Code_X, apt-cache is what you use to search for packages |
| 21:13.24 | jimd | PerfDave: no, I didn't know I should. |
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| 21:14.13 | jimd | apt, wasn't helpful on just that. |
| 21:14.24 | Code_X | Eulex: i know apt-get update is to update software |
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| 21:14.26 | simonrvn | no, 'apt secure' |
| 21:14.35 | Code_X | and apt-get upgrade to upgrade software |
| 21:14.41 | simonrvn | !secure |
| 21:14.41 | dpkg | Linux is secure, at least up to the administrator, heh. |
| 21:14.46 | Code_X | what is the diference? |
| 21:14.46 | simonrvn | !apt secure |
| 21:14.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 21:15.11 | simonrvn | Code_X: i'm not talking to you |
| 21:15.41 | Hate_MSN | ? |
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| 21:15.43 | PerfDave | chii: "man apt-get" will tell you what the "update", "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade" options do. |
| 21:15.45 | Hate_MSN | :S |
| 21:15.48 | Flawless | Hi everybody |
| 21:15.48 | PerfDave | Hate_MSN: "man apt-get" will tell you what the "update", "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade" options do. |
| 21:15.52 | Hate_MSN | yes |
| 21:15.54 | PerfDave | And Hate_MSN is a really lame nick ;) |
| 21:16.00 | Hate_MSN | ok |
| 21:16.01 | Hate_MSN | thanks |
| 21:16.04 | stew | !wikifaq Hate_MSN PackageManagement |
| 21:16.04 | Hate_MSN | last question |
| 21:16.05 | dpkg | Hate_MSN: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:16.07 | Flawless | I'm developing an embedded system, for USB flash keys. All of a sudden, apt-get segfaults |
| 21:16.12 | Hate_MSN | what is best Ubuntu or Debian? |
| 21:16.22 | Flawless | it doesn't matter what command I use, it just crashes every time |
| 21:16.24 | Supaplex | debian of course |
| 21:16.25 | Flawless | Any ideas? |
| 21:16.25 | Hate_MSN | or Kanoppix |
| 21:16.27 | PerfDave | Hate_MSN: That's a very silly question to ask on #debian :) |
| 21:16.36 | Hate_MSN | jejeje |
| 21:16.37 | PerfDave | Hate_MSN: It's also very subjective. "best" is meaningless. |
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| 21:16.45 | Hate_MSN | well |
| 21:16.50 | Hate_MSN | stable |
| 21:17.00 | Supaplex | still subjective |
| 21:17.04 | Hate_MSN | hummmm |
| 21:17.06 | Navop | Hate_msn: its your call, i've tried Suse, Slackware, Debian.. |
| 21:17.16 | Hate_MSN | stable, secure, fast, |
| 21:17.22 | Supaplex | pick any two |
| 21:17.23 | jimd | PerfDave, simonrvn, thanks. that's the F'in' M I need to R |
| 21:17.26 | PerfDave | Hate_MSN: All subjective. |
| 21:17.30 | simonrvn | all freaking subjective... |
| 21:17.38 | Hate_MSN | hehe |
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| 21:17.40 | simonrvn | jimd: heh |
| 21:17.51 | PerfDave | Hate_MSN: Let's put it like this, I've not seen any reason to switch from Debian to anything else. Knoppix is a nice LiveCD, but I'd not install it to a hard drive. |
| 21:17.52 | Navop | Hate_msn: they have all cons and pro, beleive me learning as i go...lol |
| 21:17.56 | Flawless | never mind, it was the pkgcache.bin that got corrupted |
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| 21:17.57 | Flawless | cheers! |
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| 21:18.10 | simonrvn | PerfDave: indeed |
| 21:18.31 | Supaplex | serial mouse is a no brainer |
| 21:18.37 | Supaplex | !shoot that knoppix cd |
| 21:18.38 | Hate_MSN | what i think is: there is so much distributions becoming privative |
| 21:18.46 | Supaplex | haha right on |
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| 21:18.48 | simonrvn | ubuntu is the closest i've seen to debian i've seen, so far |
| 21:18.55 | Hate_MSN | then Debian is the only that never will become |
| 21:19.06 | Hate_MSN | well |
| 21:19.18 | Navop | Hate_msn: just installed debian, and other comp will install FD core 4 and see |
| 21:19.25 | Hate_MSN | Debian is taking some good things of Ubuntu |
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| 21:19.40 | Hate_MSN | i have FC 3 |
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| 21:19.52 | Hate_MSN | i have multi boot |
| 21:19.54 | simonrvn | Hate_MSN: on purpose. many DDs work on ubuntu |
| 21:20.06 | Hate_MSN | SDDs? |
| 21:20.10 | Navop | Hate_MSN: how is fc |
| 21:20.13 | Hate_MSN | DDs? |
| 21:20.17 | dondelelcaro | Hate_MSN: Debian Developrs |
| 21:20.19 | abrotman | !dd |
| 21:20.20 | dpkg | hmm... dd is man dd or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or a Debian Developer |
| 21:20.20 | dondelelcaro | s/rs/ers/ |
| 21:20.22 | PerfDave | Communication between Debian and Ubuntu is pretty broken, according to both Debian and Ubuntu. Debian blames Ubuntu and Ubuntu blames Debian :) |
| 21:20.27 | Daveman | hey dondelelcaro |
| 21:20.30 | dondelelcaro | Daveman: sup |
| 21:20.35 | abrotman | how that factoid escaped a feminine reference .. i'll never know |
| 21:20.39 | Daveman | not much, just dev'in :p |
| 21:20.40 | jkaufman | peterS: are you around bud? |
| 21:20.49 | Daveman | damn binary packages ;p |
| 21:20.59 | jkaufman | peterS: got it installed and running :) |
| 21:21.03 | Hate_MSN | what this problems between debian and ubuntu? |
| 21:21.05 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: that depends on the package and specific subproject that is involved. |
| 21:21.07 | Hate_MSN | is stupid |
| 21:21.08 | jkaufman | now just battleing with drivers ^^ |
| 21:21.10 | MrRagga | where to get debhelper? |
| 21:21.14 | stouset | abrotman: Rather than complaining, fix it ;) |
| 21:21.32 | abrotman | stouset: uhm .. no |
| 21:21.33 | PerfDave | Hate_MSN: Again, it's all subjective. I think that the entire Ubuntu project is pretty stupid myself ;) |
| 21:21.35 | stouset | MrRagga: apt-get install debhelper? |
| 21:21.38 | peterS | jkaufman: always good to hear |
| 21:21.47 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, hey, they have Xorg and KDE 3.4 ;) |
| 21:21.48 | Hate_MSN | why? |
| 21:21.49 | stouset | abrotman: Sheesh. Kids these days. Complain and complain but nobody ever submits a patch. |
| 21:21.53 | MrRagga | stouset: i mean the bot here |
| 21:21.56 | jkaufman | peterS: i'd rather battle the drivers than the installer :) |
| 21:22.00 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Big whoopy doo. |
| 21:22.02 | Daveman | heh yeah |
| 21:22.06 | stouset | abrotman: Taking it all for granted! |
| 21:22.06 | Daveman | damn kids :P |
| 21:22.07 | peterS | jkaufman: right right (: |
| 21:22.07 | abrotman | stouset: hey .. let me not upset the mystical part of the species eh? |
| 21:22.08 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: So does Debian ;) |
| 21:22.10 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, i can't wait for Xorg personally |
| 21:22.15 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, debian's Xorg is broken |
| 21:22.20 | stouset | abrotman: The members of the bumpier sex? |
| 21:22.22 | Daveman | stouset: tell 'em to rtfm, and commit! |
| 21:22.24 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Really? Many people seem to be using it quite happily. |
| 21:22.25 | Daveman | :P |
| 21:22.27 | Hate_MSN | what about GNU/HURD? |
| 21:22.27 | apogee | Eulex ,I ve got the logs on floppy ..what now ??? |
| 21:22.31 | jkaufman | peterS: the worst didnt happen haha, i have a deb box after all ^^ |
| 21:22.32 | abrotman | stouset: i refrain from answering |
| 21:22.35 | PerfDave | Hate_MSN: What about it? |
| 21:22.37 | Hate_MSN | this will be ... |
| 21:22.38 | s_ward | If Debian's X.org is broken.. |
| 21:22.45 | Daveman | haha |
| 21:22.47 | abrotman | i blame gravity |
| 21:22.56 | Eulex | use paster to paste it |
| 21:22.59 | abrotman | stuff always rolls downhill |
| 21:23.02 | peterS | jkaufman: great! now to upgrade to a recent kernel without managing to load any framebuffer modules |
| 21:23.05 | stouset | PerfDave: Agreed. I'm not having any problems at all. I saw it in unstable and almost wept. But I was pleasantly surprised when everything worked. |
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| 21:23.10 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, it's in unstable, therefore it's liable to break. i know testing/unstable hybrids are worse than unstable, but i still don't want to go unstable. (hmm... maybe i could set up unstable in UML =D) |
| 21:23.13 | apogee | i dont know what paster is ^ how to use it ... |
| 21:23.16 | jkaufman | peterS: what was the line i should add to lilo.conf (to add video=vga16:off) |
| 21:23.25 | Eulex | !tell apogee about paster |
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| 21:23.28 | peterS | jkaufman: append="video=vga16:off" |
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| 21:23.51 | jkaufman | peterS: thats what i though... didnt work though, get that black screen |
| 21:23.53 | peterS | jkaufman: put the line anywhere - if you put it before the image= line it will apply to all kernels you boot, if you put it under image= it will apply only to the kernel in question |
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| 21:24.13 | apogee | ??? |
| 21:24.21 | Hate_MSN | well |
| 21:24.28 | Hate_MSN | i beter get in Debian |
| 21:24.38 | Hate_MSN | i see all distributions |
| 21:24.39 | apogee | ????? |
| 21:24.40 | Hate_MSN | well |
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| 21:24.41 | Hate_MSN | 8 |
| 21:24.52 | Hate_MSN | but is good for servers? |
| 21:24.54 | s_ward | !paster apogee |
| 21:24.54 | Hate_MSN | Debian? |
| 21:25.12 | SerajewelKS | Hate_MSN, some would say it's better for servers than desktops |
| 21:25.20 | Hate_MSN | well |
| 21:25.31 | s_ward | apogee: Just paste your output at http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 21:25.33 | Hate_MSN | i am using in my classroom with Dell 3.0Ghz |
| 21:25.37 | SerajewelKS | Hate_MSN, i tend to agree. but it's still a better desktop than windows. ;) |
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| 21:25.40 | Hate_MSN | itr run too fast |
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| 21:25.56 | SerajewelKS | Hate_MSN, how can something run too fast? |
| 21:25.57 | Hate_MSN | anything is better than windows |
| 21:26.05 | Hate_MSN | jejej |
| 21:26.25 | Karnaugh | .... |
| 21:26.32 | damienk | even this fone |
| 21:26.33 | eeyore- | this is disgusting ... don't these people know anything about how outdated they are? http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/16/computer.frenzy.ap/index.html |
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| 21:26.59 | eeyore- | a rush, stampede, one woman wets herself waiting in line to get a USED, 4-year old ibook laptop (ok, at $50, but still) |
| 21:27.06 | PerfDave | Hate_MSN: This will be what? It's an operating system, similar in many ways to GNU/Linux (mostly because of the GNU), but with differences. Debian GNU/HURD seems to be the most workable GNU/HURD distro out there. |
| 21:27.06 | mith | eeyore-: welcome to this morning |
| 21:27.29 | Hate_MSN | well |
| 21:27.31 | Hate_MSN | i read |
| 21:27.41 | Hate_MSN | and this will be totally free |
| 21:27.54 | Hate_MSN | and kernel will not be Linux? |
| 21:28.24 | paster | "apogee" at 62.38.221.53 pasted "X server log out" (614 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/482 |
| 21:28.30 | s_ward | !tell Hate_MSN about enter |
| 21:28.51 | PerfDave | Hate_MSN: GNU/HURD does not use the Linux kernel. It's no more free than GNU/Linux, since both the Linux and HURD kernels are released under the GNU General Public License. |
| 21:29.05 | simonrvn | rather pitiful, and sad |
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| 21:29.09 | Hate_MSN | but |
| 21:29.16 | apogee | ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh....thats the paster ....or whatever 8-) ..pasted |
| 21:29.19 | MattGideon | dpkg recommends I configure one of two packages starting "xserver". But I am running X without those packages installed it seems. |
| 21:29.21 | simonrvn | what do you mean, 'but'? |
| 21:29.22 | Hate_MSN | The GNU Hurd is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel |
| 21:29.31 | Hate_MSN | is right? |
| 21:29.43 | PerfDave | Hate_MSN: The HURD is a GNU project, Linux isn't. |
| 21:29.51 | apogee | its /482 |
| 21:29.52 | PerfDave | Hate_MSN: They're both released under the GPL however. |
| 21:30.00 | Hate_MSN | ok |
| 21:30.00 | bucky | we're going to HURD after all the lawsuits |
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| 21:30.11 | simonrvn | *groan* |
| 21:30.18 | popey | Hate_MSN: linux often gets called GNU/Linux when people refer to distributions because the distros contain GNU stuff and Linux stuff |
| 21:30.19 | amphi | Hate_MSN: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/ |
| 21:30.19 | drac | MattGideon: Eh, you can't be running X without xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg. "dpkg -l | grep xserver" |
| 21:30.46 | SerajewelKS | drac, 'dpkg -l xserver-\*' would be a lot faster |
| 21:30.49 | Hate_MSN | i am reading now |
| 21:31.05 | apogee | if you need any other logs ...just let me know |
| 21:31.12 | Supaplex | go easy on the grey matter there, you might over heat it |
| 21:31.16 | drac | SerajewelKS: Should I be impressed? ;) |
| 21:31.19 | amphi | Hate_MSN: /j #hug and/or ##hurd |
| 21:31.26 | simonrvn | what do you do to a peecee when the fucking bios decides it's not going to work properly anymore? boot from freedos and re-burn it? |
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| 21:31.39 | SerajewelKS | drac, just saying that you don't always have to use grep ;) |
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| 21:31.55 | PerfDave | Hate_MSN: While GNU/HURD works, it's not as well supported or as stable as GNU/Linux currently, so you're best off going with GNU/Linux |
| 21:32.06 | simonrvn | um, dpkg -l '*xserver*' works fine |
| 21:32.10 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn, assuming you can get that far, that's an option |
| 21:32.14 | simonrvn | or what SerajewelKS sais |
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| 21:32.39 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: it does, just that x running on it is an issue right now |
| 21:32.42 | amphi | Hate_MSN: you can run GNU/Hurd under qemu on linux if you want to try it out... |
| 21:32.46 | simonrvn | hi abrotman |
| 21:32.54 | synic | when upgrading kernels, does debian make a backup of your menu.lst somewhere? |
| 21:33.00 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn, was referring to your question about a broken bios |
| 21:33.12 | simonrvn | well, it's just beeping loudly at me right now, the bios settings keep getting wiped |
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| 21:33.20 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: sure |
| 21:33.21 | Hate_MSN | qemu? |
| 21:33.21 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn, replace the battery? |
| 21:33.25 | PerfDave | synic: It should just generate a new menu.lst from the contents of the current one, adding your new kernel |
| 21:33.29 | Hate_MSN | amphi: |
| 21:33.31 | Supaplex | *achoo* |
| 21:33.39 | Hate_MSN | quemu |
| 21:33.40 | synic | PerfDave: it's overwritten all my changes. My old entries are not there. |
| 21:33.58 | synic | which sucks 'cause I had custom stuff for raid in there |
| 21:34.00 | PerfDave | synic: How did you install the new kernel? |
| 21:34.04 | amphi | Hate_MSN: qemu.oeg ;) an emulator |
| 21:34.07 | synic | PerfDave: apt-get upgrade |
| 21:34.08 | SerajewelKS | synic, look for menu.lst.dpkg-old |
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| 21:34.12 | amphi | Hate_MSN: er, qemu.org |
| 21:34.17 | synic | SerajewelKS: where would that be? |
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| 21:34.25 | SerajewelKS | synic, right next to menu.lst? |
| 21:34.31 | synic | SerajewelKS: yeah, not there. |
| 21:34.33 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: i thought of that. i just need to find my new(er) battery ;). |
| 21:34.39 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn, hehe |
| 21:34.44 | Eulex | apogee, "(EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/miceNo such device." -- that's your problem -- also, did you notice the huge amount of hsync out of range and not enough emmory for mode errors you got in there? |
| 21:34.45 | PerfDave | synic: menu.lst has a very specific format to keep changes, did you read the file before editing it, specifically the bits about not editing between the DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNEL lines? |
| 21:34.58 | synic | PerfDave: no, I did not. |
| 21:35.14 | PerfDave | synic: Then that's why your changes were overwritten :) |
| 21:35.31 | synic | lame. |
| 21:35.35 | amphi | Hate_MSN: if you use qemu, vde is very handy IMHO - http://vde.sf.net/ |
| 21:35.44 | PerfDave | synic: Yes, it was lame of you not to read the file before changing it ;) |
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| 21:35.50 | apogee | Eulex ,mouse works...also I read the horizontal ^ sync rates from the PDF Nec's manual |
| 21:35.56 | s_ward | apogee: I have no idea what your original problem was, lastlog's not talking, can you tell us? The errors in your log suggest /dev/input/mice is missing |
| 21:35.57 | Solak | Hello. |
| 21:36.01 | SerajewelKS | synic, when there's an all-caps comment in a config file, it's there so you'll read it |
| 21:36.10 | s_ward | !tell apogee about devinputmice |
| 21:36.23 | apogee | wait gyus! |
| 21:36.31 | PerfDave | Debian's menu.lst has to be the single best-documented, best-commented config file in the whole of Linux ;) |
| 21:36.33 | synic | SerajewelKS: I'll keep that in mind |
| 21:36.47 | MattGideon | Running dpkg tells me neither package is installed |
| 21:37.16 | MattGideon | Yet I am running X as we speak |
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| 21:37.33 | SerajewelKS | MattGideon, did you compile it yourself? |
| 21:37.55 | Eulex | apogee, with that error message I'd be really surprised if the mouse works in X |
| 21:38.09 | MattGideon | Serajewel: No, I bought the system with X installed |
| 21:38.35 | MattGideon | That was slink, a long time ago |
| 21:38.38 | Eulex | !tell MattGideon about nicktab |
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| 21:39.00 | MattGideon | Eulex: Not in this irc client |
| 21:39.10 | s_ward | Eulex: (apogee) (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Configured Mouse" -- suggests another mouse device was loaded, which might be the one working |
| 21:39.10 | Eulex | then get a better irc client :P |
| 21:39.21 | aFlag | i need to get a package from sid, what's the best way to do it? I can't seem to make apt-get install -t unstable work |
| 21:39.44 | Eulex | s_ward, oh, yes |
| 21:39.56 | SerajewelKS | aFlag, did you put the unstable deb repository in your sources.list? |
| 21:40.12 | SerajewelKS | !tell aFlag about simple sid backport |
| 21:40.25 | MattGideon | I will be looking at a new IRC client once X is working |
| 21:40.37 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: well, thing is, i found it frozen this morning, so i reboot it. then it starts whining about corrupt cmos. so i it shutdown. then i try booting it, still fucked. go into an excuse for a rom (bios) and re-set things. boots ok. then problems with x, and still the corrupt cmos shit. reboot again, then it's ok. but then x freezes again. so i reboot, now it's whining 'cause of the video h/w isn't pci, blah blah (boot defaults to "stop on all |
| 21:40.38 | aFlag | i should put it there and then do apt-get update? |
| 21:40.46 | SerajewelKS | MattGideon, if your setup is that borked, reinstall... |
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| 21:41.24 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn, get a new box =) |
| 21:41.36 | Maulkin | aFlag: Which package is it? |
| 21:41.37 | SerajewelKS | aFlag, yes... then BUILD the packages |
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| 21:42.03 | SerajewelKS | aFlag, if you install sid prebuilt packages on etch/sarge, you're going to have more problems than using pure unstable |
| 21:42.04 | aFlag | oh, i see how it's done |
| 21:42.06 | eeyore- | simonrvn: could you be running out of battery for the cmos? |
| 21:42.13 | eeyore- | simonrvn: the button lithium battery |
| 21:42.16 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: send me money then ;p |
| 21:42.34 | simonrvn | eeyore-: yeh, probably. /lastlog new(er) |
| 21:42.49 | shad0wcat | uhh |
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| 21:43.03 | eeyore- | simonrvn: they're usually good for a fea years, but ... and when they go bad and you have to reset, might be a good idea to move the jumper (if you have one) to short position to clear out cmos quickly |
| 21:43.15 | simonrvn | eeyore-: ok |
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| 21:43.39 | simonrvn | pretty nasty shit if a dead battery causes that many problems... |
| 21:43.46 | fuhr | Hello, I have a problem for install kde in my debian sid? Broken packages. What can I do? |
| 21:44.06 | simonrvn | don't install kde, don't run sid |
| 21:44.11 | SerajewelKS | !tell fuhr about unstable |
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| 21:44.21 | eeyore- | simonrvn: i accidentally set my cpu speed to 166 the other day :-p computer didn't boot until i cleared cmos content :-) |
| 21:44.30 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 21:44.49 | ArtistAgent | what was it before eeyore |
| 21:44.49 | ArtistAgent | ? |
| 21:44.51 | apogee | thanks guys ...problems fixed !!!!! |
| 21:44.53 | MattGideon | Serajewel: If I reinstall, I might lose stuff in my current configuration, such as ipchains |
| 21:44.57 | fuhr | SerajewelKS, but if I try to install kde in stable the same problem hapen... |
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| 21:45.05 | simonrvn | well, i also tried using a FCoded scsi card on this thing. i guess it didn't "like" it =) |
| 21:45.05 | codemaster_ | hi there |
| 21:45.11 | SerajewelKS | fuhr, then say stable |
| 21:45.16 | eeyore- | ArtistAgent: should be 133MHz, base, at ... oh ... 12x multiplier or something |
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| 21:45.21 | SerajewelKS | fuhr, what is the problem you're getting |
| 21:45.25 | simonrvn | eeyore-: but tweaking is the fun part! :) |
| 21:45.38 | fuhr | SerajewelKS, Broken packages! |
| 21:45.47 | SerajewelKS | fuhr, that doesn't help. HOW are they broken? |
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| 21:46.08 | ArtistAgent | right on thats cool! no doubt simonrvn overclock? |
| 21:46.18 | dbernar1 | do youi know what the wildcard char is for aptitude, like sudo apt-get install junior-*, but in aptitude? |
| 21:46.32 | simonrvn | there should be a rube golberg error msgs factoid |
| 21:46.35 | eeyore- | simonrvn: i think i found a new hobby ... tweaking my jeep :-) |
| 21:46.37 | fuhr | Some depents packages do not gonna to be install... kde-core, etc. |
| 21:46.38 | codemaster_ | i try to compile a kernel but each time i boot i got VFS : Kernel panic cannot sync add a valid boot option is suppose i got something wrong in my config but dunno what |
| 21:46.41 | simonrvn | ArtistAgent: no, i didn't. |
| 21:46.47 | SerajewelKS | fuhr, so install them |
| 21:46.56 | simonrvn | it's actually underclocked, and it wouldn't matter |
| 21:47.26 | eeyore- | simonrvn: new boulderbars coming this thursday, new roof rack + crossrails soon, winch third item on the list, and lockers fourth item if i still have the money |
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| 21:47.32 | ArtistAgent | ok i see |
| 21:47.32 | aqua | http://rafb.net/paste/results/JI57ER56.html << postfix cant authenticate to sasl can anyone help :/ |
| 21:47.35 | fuhr | SerajewelKS, if I try do this the same problem hapen... |
| 21:48.03 | SerajewelKS | fuhr, keep installing the "not going to install" packages down the line until one installs. then go backwards. |
| 21:48.05 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: there's uninstallable packages due to the libjack .80 -> .100 changes. but fuhr is too clueless to figure out what's going on |
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| 21:49.12 | Solak | anyone here familiar with the Plextor PX-716SA Serial ATA dvd-r in combination with Debian? |
| 21:49.35 | jimd | Well, thanks all. |
| 21:49.37 | Solak | The kernel doesn't seem to recognize the device, yet the serial ata harddisk is. |
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| 21:49.51 | apogee | Eulex ....one more thing u should know this |
| 21:49.53 | eeyore- | ah dang! i forgot fileutils has been replaced by coreutils |
| 21:50.19 | simonrvn | eeyore-: heh. i tweak my bike. i have inner tubes cut up all wrapped around on the tubes and stays, and stickers here and there. plus some other mechanical stuff |
| 21:50.24 | Supaplex | or rather, now you recall. |
| 21:50.36 | apogee | Eulex please help...unfortunately debian knows nothing about my sound card ...How do I get started ??? |
| 21:51.16 | aFlag | how do i remove the packages added by build-dep aftwards, is there a easy way or do i have to remember the packages names? |
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| 21:51.25 | simonrvn | debian wouldn't. it's not sentient |
| 21:51.48 | apogee | any ideas about sound config ???? |
| 21:51.53 | aqua | anybody :( |
| 21:51.54 | s_ward | apogee: What is your soundcard? `alsaconf' is a good place to start |
| 21:51.54 | Eulex | apogee, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils and then alsaconf should do it |
| 21:52.02 | simonrvn | !any ideas |
| 21:52.02 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little thermal paste, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed ostriches. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 21:53.01 | ArtistAgent | whats yalls opinion of good debian distro's im running the latest stable sarge and im very happy with it but perhaps there is something im missing? |
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| 21:53.13 | apogee | s_q |
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| 21:53.32 | simonrvn | not really. but i'd suggest etch for a desktop box |
| 21:56.19 | apogee | s_ward Avance Logic chipset 100+ |
| 21:56.19 | simonrvn | (though sarge is ok for a while yet) |
| 21:56.19 | apogee | als100+ |
| 21:56.19 | Delph | ArtistAgent: you're doing the best thing, unless you have a machine spare, at which point i'd suggest you try fiddling with other ones just for the experience. |
| 21:56.19 | dbernar1 | it is aptitude junior-~n |
| 21:56.19 | jkaufman | guys, where can i get a working 2.6.8 configuration(to compile my own kernel)? |
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| 21:56.19 | dbernar1 | ~n is the wildcard in aptitude. |
| 21:56.19 | apt | ...but n is already something else... |
| 21:56.19 | eeyore- | etch is the next stable release? |
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| 21:56.20 | Eulex | apogee, have you run alsaconf yet? |
| 21:56.20 | Eulex | eeyore-, yep, sarge+1 |
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| 21:56.20 | Eulex | jkaufman, /boot/config-version |
| 21:56.20 | ArtistAgent | right on good idea and i do in fact so i probably will, i didnt think it could get any better than this lol! |
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| 21:56.20 | j3di | ok i need a hand with apache |
| 21:56.21 | j3di | anybody apache savvy? |
| 21:56.21 | nyetzsche | is it possible to "install" a single .deb in userspace? (I'm on a Debian sys without sysadm priveleges, but want to unpack/install, say, unstable gnuplot in my home dir...) |
| 21:56.21 | dondelelcaro | j3di: just ask your question, or try #apache |
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| 21:56.21 | apogee | Eulex ,no I haven't...I'll try now |
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| 21:56.21 | Eulex | nyetzsche, I'm afraid you will have to dissect the .deb yourself |
| 21:56.21 | dondelelcaro | nyetzsche: yes, with dpkg-deb -x foo.deb; FE |
| 21:56.21 | Delph | uhhm, you can unpack the deb with dpkg |
| 21:56.21 | j3di | i dont understand the file structure needed to make cgi files work |
| 21:56.30 | apogee | KVM switch freezed mouse.... |
| 21:56.45 | Eulex | ah, nyetzsche, don't listen to me, dondelelcaro has the solution... |
| 21:56.54 | dondelelcaro | j3di: they're just scripts or executables that are run by the webserver, nothing more. |
| 21:57.06 | j3di | right.. i built the webserver. |
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| 21:57.16 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 21:57.18 | j3di | where does the scripts need to be to run? |
| 21:57.20 | apogee | currently system [Debian] is rebooting |
| 21:57.28 | nyetzsche | dondelelcaro: cool, thx... but what is the trailing "FE" for? |
| 21:57.34 | Eulex | apogee, why? :) |
| 21:57.43 | dondelelcaro | !FE |
| 21:57.43 | dpkg | it has been said that fe is a front end. dondelelcaro-speak for For Example, eg. 'eg.' |
| 21:57.43 | j3di | i have a/cgi-bin directory in the www root, but the scripts are coming up as 403 |
| 21:57.44 | aFlag | how do i remove the packages added by build-dep aftwards, is there a easy way or do i have to remember the packages names? |
| 21:58.09 | nyetzsche | dondelelcaro: lol |
| 21:58.12 | nyetzsche | dondelelcaro: thx |
| 21:58.14 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: front =~ s/<reply> FE stands for/ |
| 21:58.17 | apogee | the keyboard vifdeo ,mouse switch xausing troubles sometimes...after 20=30 switches/// |
| 21:58.26 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: fe =~ s/front/<reply> FE stands for/ |
| 21:58.27 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 21:58.28 | Eulex | j3di, is it configured properly? |
| 21:58.42 | rbochan | aFlag: look into the deborphan package |
| 21:58.42 | j3di | if i knew that would i be here? |
| 21:58.46 | dondelelcaro | aFlag: the best method is to use something like pbuilder to build the packages. |
| 21:58.49 | j3di | far as i can tell yes it is. |
| 21:58.50 | mz_work | nyetzsche: ever tried klik? it uses appdirs and gnuplot is there |
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| 21:59.04 | aFlag | too late :( |
| 21:59.04 | dondelelcaro | j3di: well, then give us the appropriate error.log entry and your configuration files. |
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| 21:59.14 | apogee | mouse frozen onb BOTH Systems !!!! |
| 21:59.17 | dondelelcaro | aFlag: it's never too late. |
| 21:59.20 | nyetzsche | mz_work: "gnuplot" was just an example... I'm more interested in "subversion" 1.2 from unstable... :) |
| 21:59.22 | dondelelcaro | !tell j3di -about paster |
| 21:59.27 | apogee | ....-( |
| 21:59.32 | s_ward | !ep |
| 21:59.32 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:59.43 | Eulex | apogee, see, there was something wrong with your mouse config |
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| 22:00.08 | j3di | well everythign is default.. |
| 22:00.19 | apogee | Eulex ,the mouse,the boot of X is now okay.please retype the apt command |
| 22:00.22 | j3di | i added a /cgi-bin/ in my www root |
| 22:00.27 | j3di | and put the scripts in there |
| 22:00.30 | dondelelcaro | j3di: the default uses /usr/lib/cgi-bin |
| 22:00.53 | j3di | right.. there is a script alias in the conf that says |
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| 22:01.40 | dondelelcaro | j3di: well, already that's not the default configuration; use the paster bot to paste them, the errors in the error.log, and the output of ls -l in the appropriate directory |
| 22:01.44 | SerajewelKS | is there any way for a program to access the same output that 'dmesg' displays, only in a stream-like manner? e.g. wait for the next dmesg line, analyze it, get the next one, etc. |
| 22:01.45 | Eulex | apogee, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils and then you can run alsaconf |
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| 22:01.54 | icyfire0573 | I have apache2-mod-perl2 installed on my debian/testing system, when I restart apache2 it says that mod-perl is version1.999.21, how would i force it to version 2 ? |
| 22:01.55 | j3di | ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ |
| 22:01.59 | meri | is here someon knows "streuner" |
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| 22:03.36 | streuner | meri: no |
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| 22:03.42 | streuner | meri: ;-) |
| 22:03.42 | mischko | How do I tell apt-get to install from a given archive (testing, stable, etc.) |
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| 22:03.44 | swim | hey |
| 22:03.53 | mischko | ? |
| 22:03.55 | SerajewelKS | mischko, -t testing |
| 22:03.58 | SerajewelKS | mischko, for example |
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| 22:04.03 | mischko | SerajewelKS, thanks. |
| 22:04.04 | masa | hey :) |
| 22:04.04 | swim | what can I install to get info on a pci usb card? |
| 22:04.13 | johey | hi! |
| 22:04.15 | masa | anyone watch cnn int :) ? |
| 22:04.50 | drac | What is pci usb card ? |
| 22:04.51 | johey | what is the difference between the packages linux-source-2.x.y and kernel-source-2.x.y ? |
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| 22:05.05 | XefseeE | anyone know how to use gksu? |
| 22:05.05 | drac | swim: pciutils, usbutils. commands lsusb, and lspci. |
| 22:05.07 | masa | joel linux and kernel |
| 22:05.11 | meri | streuner - ;) |
| 22:05.15 | beardy | drac: A PCI card that letäs you connect USB devices to your computer? |
| 22:05.18 | swim | thx |
| 22:05.24 | drac | swim: and hwinfo is nice too. |
| 22:05.31 | drac | beardy: aha |
| 22:05.36 | streuner | meri: so wth you want from him? |
| 22:05.36 | sombra | johey, linux is a OS and Kernel is a kernel i guess |
| 22:06.15 | Buc | exit |
| 22:06.15 | mischko | I can't remember if I compiled Python or installed it with apt-get. How do I get apt-get to tell me what version of python it thinks is installed? |
| 22:06.16 | Buc | oops hehe |
| 22:06.41 | Eulex | johey, pronounciation and spelling |
| 22:06.47 | johey | linux-source-2.6.12 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.12 with Debian patches |
| 22:06.48 | streuner | mischko: 2.3 or 2.4 is avaiable via apt-get |
| 22:06.52 | sombra | mischko, apt-cache show python |
| 22:07.05 | drac | mischko: dpkg -l python\* |
| 22:07.05 | streuner | !info python2.3 |
| 22:07.06 | phogg | mischko: apt-cache policy packagename or dpkg -l packagename |
| 22:07.11 | dpkg | python2.3: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.3)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.3.5-7 (sid), Packaged size: 2752 kB, Installed size: 9296 kB |
| 22:07.12 | s_ward | johey: Probably a few configuration differences, but linux-* is just the new name for kernel-* |
| 22:07.14 | streuner | !info python2.4 |
| 22:07.19 | dpkg | python2.4: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.4)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 2651 kB, Installed size: 8824 kB |
| 22:07.31 | meri | i yust love him for shore |
| 22:07.32 | swim | drac hwinfo IS cool :) |
| 22:07.32 | beardy | sombra: linux is the kernel, and kernel the kernel. The name of the os is GNU/Linux. |
| 22:07.37 | LFH | I have totem, vlc, xmms and mplayer all installed I still can't listen to BBC radio 4 (which broadcasts as rtsp://rmlivev8.bbc.net.uk/farm/*/ev7/live24/radio4/live/r4_dsat_g2.ra) what am I doing wrong? |
| 22:07.40 | streuner | mischko: so choose whatever you want |
| 22:07.52 | mischko | thanks you all! I'll tinker with 'em. |
| 22:07.53 | jkaufman | i'm getting "Kernel panic: VFS: failed to mount root partiton, please append correct root=" and i have (under that image in lilo.conf) root=/dev/hda3 |
| 22:07.57 | Delph | LFH: you didn't install realplayer? |
| 22:08.05 | johey | okay, so why is only kernel-source-2.6.11 and linux-source-2.6.12 ? seems like i cannot patch the linux-source with reiser4-patch |
| 22:08.07 | jkaufman | and in the kernel, i have it compiled with ext2 and 3 fs |
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| 22:08.16 | phogg | LFH: download the .ra file, opejn it in less. Copy the URL out of that and give it to mplayer |
| 22:08.28 | sombra | beardy, that true, but why people say the run Linux and not GNU/Linux |
| 22:08.37 | swim | hrmm now to figure out which is the pci card and which is onboard |
| 22:08.37 | beardy | johey: Probably the name only, the kernel-source* is older right? |
| 22:08.44 | Eulex | johey, they changed the naming convention of the linux kernel source packages before they released linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 22:08.46 | LFH | Delph: there is no realplayer in etch |
| 22:09.01 | Delph | LFH: yes. It's not free. |
| 22:09.17 | s_ward | johey: There are still a few problems with the linux-* packages and other tools to work with them. The reiser patch may not apply to linux-source-* |
| 22:09.18 | Delph | LFH: remind yourself to annoy the BBC for not continuing their OGG trials, as well, will you? |
| 22:09.35 | drac | !info realplayer etch |
| 22:09.36 | Eulex | johey, linux-source-2.6.12 contains the same thing as kernel-source-2.6.11, but linux-source-2.6.12 is newer |
| 22:09.41 | sombra | beardy, so what is the difference between the packages linux-source-2.x.y and kernel-source-2.x.y ? as johey said |
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| 22:09.57 | beardy | sombra: listen to Eulex |
| 22:10.00 | phogg | there is no real player in etch |
| 22:10.00 | drac | !info realplayer sid |
| 22:10.11 | Eulex | sombra, as I said, spelling, naming convention and pronounciation |
| 22:10.27 | Delph | presumably real.com will have something to play them. |
| 22:10.33 | phogg | drac: Debian does not package real player. You need a third party source |
| 22:10.39 | drac | Ahh, it's in Marillat.. wondered why it was in my apt-cache. |
| 22:10.42 | drac | phogg: yeah |
| 22:10.43 | SerajewelKS | why is /proc/kmsg only readable by root when dmesg can be run by anyone? |
| 22:10.53 | johey | aha oki... so how do i do to set up reiser4 today? making a kernel using the kernel.org source? |
| 22:11.00 | sombra | ok, confusing |
| 22:11.11 | jkaufman | any ideas what my problem could be? |
| 22:11.12 | chealer | !tell drac about msg the bot |
| 22:11.39 | s_ward | johey: I'd stick to using kernel-source-* for which the patch probably works |
| 22:11.43 | LFH | Delph: I will (about OGG). where should I write to? |
| 22:11.58 | johey | s_ward: but the patch is for 2.6.12 |
| 22:12.52 | swim | drac any suggestions to figure out which usb device among like 10 is the card? |
| 22:12.56 | chealer | jkaufman: which kernel is this? |
| 22:13.05 | Eulex | johey, a debian kernel is not a kernel.org kernel, there are many patches applied to the debian kernel |
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| 22:13.47 | johey | Eulex: yes, that's why i really want to use a debian kernel... |
| 22:14.00 | drac | swim: lsusb doesn't print any.. names? |
| 22:14.01 | jkaufman | chealer: 2.6.8 |
| 22:14.04 | rasp1 | I downloaded driver source for my gige card r8169, compiled it, but don't know how to take the old module out and put this new one in. |
| 22:14.08 | peterS | jkaufman: more than likely it's your IDE controller chip that you left out of your kernel compile |
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| 22:14.10 | jkaufman | from apt(sarge) |
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| 22:14.10 | Eulex | johey, it worked for older kernels, did it? |
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| 22:14.23 | jkaufman | peterS: will look now |
| 22:14.23 | phogg | johey: how about kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4? |
| 22:14.41 | LFH | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.43 | peterS | jkaufman: that and the filesystem type are the most common reasons for failure to mount the root partition |
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| 22:14.44 | johey | Eulex: i don't know, but the kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4 is for 2.6.12 |
| 22:14.50 | drac | swim: forget what I just said, real reply is: No idea, I need sleep. |
| 22:15.03 | s_ward | johey: Are you using make-kpkg to build your kernel? |
| 22:15.12 | Eulex | johey, 2.6.12.what and for debian kernels or vanilla kernels? |
| 22:15.29 | meri | i adore 2.6.12 debian kernel - s |
| 22:15.31 | johey | s_ward: no, just make |
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| 22:17.28 | johey | Eulex: i don't really know .. i'm feeling a little lost here, that's why i cry for help :) |
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| 22:18.34 | Eulex | johey, where did you get the kernel patch from? |
| 22:18.38 | mischko | I installed mysql-server 4.0.24 from stable. mysql.h is not installed. There is no mysql-dev in stable. where do I get mysql.h? |
| 22:18.46 | johey | how can i tell from which package an installed file is, and how do i list the contents of a package? |
| 22:18.58 | s_ward | joh_: dpkg -S <file> |
| 22:19.05 | s_ward | johey: ^^^ |
| 22:19.05 | johey | Eulex: it's in the standard sid apt source |
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| 22:19.10 | drac | mischko: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:19.12 | jkaufman | peterS: where can i download a working config(so i can just add the options i need) ? |
| 22:19.14 | johey | s_ward: thanks |
| 22:19.18 | ArtistAgent | anyone familiar with firewall punching with knockd or similiar prog? |
| 22:19.18 | jkaufman | i have a feeling it would make life easier |
| 22:19.22 | Eulex | johey, ah |
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| 22:19.43 | apogee | Eulex I trie the alsaconf ,but I KNOW it probed some soundchipsets thats not mine.Mine is ALS100+ ,from Avance Logic |
| 22:19.58 | Eulex | johey, and you tried applying it to a debian kernel? what error did you get? |
| 22:19.59 | johey | kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4: /usr/src/kernel-patches/diffs/reiser4/reiser4-20050715-2.6.12.patch.gz |
| 22:20.06 | Eulex | apogee, vendor name != chipset name |
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| 22:20.18 | apogee | if I know something .this is sound & studio stufff |
| 22:20.22 | bsims | I am looking at partimage and I have a question... how can I tell it to burn backups directly to dvd? |
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| 22:20.36 | Eulex | apogee, do you have multiple sound cards in that box? |
| 22:20.45 | johey | Eulex: the header of that file tells me "This patch adds reiser4 support to 2.6.12" |
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| 22:20.58 | apogee | No ,only an Avance Logic ALS100 |
| 22:21.10 | meri | i was gased by some people in my country they wanna gased my - i called the "bka" and they served me - |
| 22:21.11 | TK-1 | Netsplit Detected irc.freenode.net from: zelazny.freenode.net |
| 22:21.25 | Eulex | johey, yep, I saw that -- how did you try applying it and what error did you get? |
| 22:21.37 | Eulex | apogee, ok, what sound cards did alsaconf detect? |
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| 22:21.54 | apogee | none |
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| 22:22.00 | apogee | sorry |
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| 22:22.11 | meri | po - is this real? |
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| 22:22.20 | apogee | wait to run it agian but should be SBlaster family |
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| 22:22.53 | s_ward | hmmm, johey, the patch just applied cleanly to my copy of linux-source |
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| 22:23.05 | Eulex | apogee, hmm, did it detect any pci cards? did it perform any scan for isa cards? |
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| 22:23.15 | johey | Eulex: i tried to apply this patch to the linux-source-2.6.12 by first renaming the directory to linux-2.6.12 and apply with patch -p0, and it only asks me which file to patch |
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| 22:23.29 | s_ward | johey: Try reinstalling the linux-source-* and kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4 ? |
| 22:23.45 | apogee | cs es opl and sb |
| 22:23.53 | apogee | the sound card is ISA |
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| 22:23.59 | apogee | not pci |
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| 22:24.26 | Eulex | johey, you may want to try -p1 |
| 22:24.30 | johey | s_ward: they are as fresh as they could be... can you please tell me which steps you performed? |
| 22:24.31 | s_ward | johey: I did (in my kernel source directory): zcat /usr/src/kernel-patches/diffs/reiser4/reiser4-20050715-2.6.12.patch.gz | patch -Np1 |
| 22:24.44 | Eulex | apogee, wha? |
| 22:24.48 | apogee | yes it did perform ISA san...nothing found |
| 22:25.22 | Eulex | apogee, did it perform a pci scan and did it find anything? |
| 22:25.44 | s_ward | johey: You might like to try the "Debian way" for compiling kernels too, patches are easily applied as an argument to make-kpkg |
| 22:25.45 | apogee | the card is ISA...ISA scan performed for snd modules cs es opl and sb |
| 22:25.56 | johey | s_ward and Eulex: okay, thanks alot. that made it :). p1 in combination with being IN the actual source directory and not in its parent as usual. heh. |
| 22:25.57 | s_ward | !tell johey about make-kpkg |
| 22:26.06 | bitshifty | hello |
| 22:26.06 | x-Al1gma | hello bitshifty |
| 22:26.09 | apogee | there's no PCI card on this machine |
| 22:26.24 | meri | isa cards are configured by hand - |
| 22:26.35 | Eulex | apogee, oh, an isa card |
| 22:26.48 | Eulex | apogee, read http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Avance+Logic&card=ALS120.&chip=&module=als100 |
| 22:26.48 | apogee | ok meri ,I know Manufacturer and chipset |
| 22:27.13 | peterS | apogee: do tell |
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| 22:27.19 | bitshifty | can someone point me in the direction of where to find the tools for putting debian install iso's onto floppies? |
| 22:27.22 | bitshifty | (for windows) |
| 22:27.29 | jkaufman | peterS ? |
| 22:27.32 | johey | s_ward: hmm... that sounds like much job for nothing to me, but i'm probably wrong. |
| 22:27.42 | Eulex | apogee, if it's an avance logic 100, that's what you want |
| 22:28.01 | Eulex | johey, it's less job, actually |
| 22:28.31 | johey | Eulex: oki, i'll take a look at it some day :) |
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| 22:29.40 | s_ward | !make-kpkg fanclub |
| 22:29.41 | dpkg | I dig make-kpkg. |
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| 22:30.00 | tech9iner | say mates.. |
| 22:30.11 | tech9iner | for chits n giggles .. |
| 22:30.16 | [Gnea] | hey guys, is anyone familiar with setting up a xerox workcentre with cups/foomatic? |
| 22:30.29 | apogee | yes ,but its toooo complex for me right now |
| 22:30.45 | tech9iner | anyone come cross some way to access / convert / ??? damned windBLOWz publisher *.pub files on linux realms Please ? |
| 22:30.51 | [Gnea] | well i just need to locate the ppd file really |
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| 22:31.02 | tech9iner | 1st time in like 2+ yrs some foo sent me stupid pub file |
| 22:31.20 | tech9iner | hated ms publisher 1st yr it came out.. |
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| 22:31.38 | apogee | thanks Eulax....I 've got to go....too sleepy..... |
| 22:31.39 | tech9iner | worthless for all sans grandmothers printing invites to church socials |
| 22:31.45 | tech9iner | arrrrgh! ;[ |
| 22:31.49 | Eulex | apogee, ok, gnite |
| 22:31.51 | mischko | mysql.h is apparently nowhere to be found. Can someone point the way here? |
| 22:31.54 | dangerr | psssh print shop for the win32 win |
| 22:31.54 | [Gnea] | tech9iner: uhm, .pub is for pgp |
| 22:32.14 | hyperstream | omg after installing mythtv , which was alot , my wireless dies :( |
| 22:32.16 | Eulex | mischko, mysql dev stuff |
| 22:32.19 | Eulex | ? |
| 22:32.27 | jkaufman | can anyone tell me where i can get a working config for kernel 2.4.6-16 please? |
| 22:32.37 | mischko | Eulex, there is no mysql-dev or mysql-devel package available as far as I can find. |
| 22:32.43 | tech9iner | [Gnea] sorry? |
| 22:32.45 | hyperstream | ill wait till it happeneds then ill have some debug info :P |
| 22:33.02 | [Gnea] | jkaufman: 2.4.6 is old... |
| 22:33.13 | jkaufman | Gnea: and? |
| 22:33.15 | tech9iner | dangerr on linux?.. |
| 22:33.21 | [Gnea] | tech9iner: windows publisher uses the .pub extension? |
| 22:33.34 | [Gnea] | jkaufman: i'd look on google |
| 22:33.35 | tech9iner | yessir.. almost a decade now [Gnea] ;];] |
| 22:33.36 | jkaufman | err .8 |
| 22:33.43 | jkaufman | god damn |
| 22:33.46 | johey | hmm .. even though i've patched my kernel source with reiser4, the option for reiser4 doesn't show up... |
| 22:33.49 | jkaufman | i'm reading the wrong screen for the kernel version |
| 22:33.59 | Eulex | mischko, it's in libmysqlclient10-dev, libmysqlclient12-dev and libmysqlclient14-dev -- next time, use apt-file to search for it |
| 22:34.02 | jkaufman | its 2.6.8-16 <-- my bad =\ |
| 22:34.07 | Hostile | hmm with grub...I dont have the stage1 files |
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| 22:34.11 | Hostile | where do I get them? |
| 22:34.15 | [Gnea] | tech9iner: oh wait, you're right... |
| 22:34.27 | [Gnea] | jkaufman: just make your own, or get the one out of /boot/ |
| 22:34.29 | mischko | Eulex, thanks for the tips! |
| 22:34.54 | Eulex | mischko, it's very handy when you a program complains about a file that you don't have |
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| 22:35.19 | mischko | Eulex, I'll put it in my notes. |
| 22:35.20 | jkaufman | Gnea: i don't see them in the /boot dir... and i'm having trouble with making mine right now as it panics everytime i boot "Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root partion on unknown_block(3,3)" |
| 22:35.41 | bitshifty | why do unix-like operating systems not have file extensions, yet there are .c and .h files? |
| 22:35.43 | bitshifty | etc. |
| 22:35.43 | [Gnea] | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.14 | [Gnea] | jkaufman: then th eproblem isn't the config, it's whatever your passing to it, unless you forgot to support a controller |
| 22:36.17 | bitshifty | are files given extensions just so they are easier to distinguish? |
| 22:36.19 | meri | thats amazing so many people - |
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| 22:36.32 | hound | seahorse (gnupg frontend) on my machine tries to call with gpg with the argument --status-fd 18, which means something about file descriptor 18 which does not exist in /dev/fd. could someone please shed some light on how file descriptors operate, and maybe how I can stop gpg from failing. |
| 22:36.40 | [Gnea] | jkaufman: in which case, make menuconfig and make your own |
| 22:36.51 | jkaufman | Gnea: i dont beleive i forgot the controller, and i'm passing it(in lilo) root=/dev/hda3 |
| 22:36.56 | jkaufman | i'm using make menuconfig... |
| 22:37.01 | zinx | bitshifty: usually, but a lot of programs do abuse the extension, gcc being one |
| 22:37.24 | [Gnea] | jkaufman: check dmesg then, is the ide controller and drive being found? |
| 22:37.36 | jkaufman | one sec |
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| 22:37.51 | sparr_ | What determines which applications KDE can remember to restart from one session to the next? |
| 22:37.55 | cusco | hi.. could someone help me out with backports? |
| 22:38.04 | [Gnea] | !backports |
| 22:38.04 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 22:38.22 | cusco | [Gnea]: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au stable/package Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.aarnet.edu.au_debian_dists_stable_package_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 22:38.24 | s_ward | Hostile: Stage1 file*s*? |
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| 22:38.36 | Hostile | s_ward, I get this |
| 22:38.38 | Hostile | grub> setup (hd0) |
| 22:38.38 | Hostile | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.38 | Hostile | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.38 | Hostile | Error 15: File not found |
| 22:38.39 | hyperstream | cusco, apt-get update |
| 22:38.39 | johey | s_ward: can you take a look if you've got any options for reiser4 after you've patched your kernel tree? |
| 22:38.40 | cusco | this happens when I uptade |
| 22:38.47 | cusco | hyperstream: I just did, that comes up |
| 22:39.00 | hyperstream | hmm |
| 22:39.00 | quittt | how do I stop amsn crash? |
| 22:39.00 | jkaufman | [Gnea]: its not picking it up "PCI_IDE: unknown IDE controller on PCI bus 00 device a1, VID=1002, DID=2376" |
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| 22:39.24 | hyperstream | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:39.49 | hyperstream | cusco, what part of aussie you live in? |
| 22:39.52 | s_ward | Hostile: This might be a bad idea, but copy the one from /lib/grub/i386-pc/ |
| 22:39.58 | mustafabacaksiz | http://www.geocities.com/sapsatranc/tosba.jpg |
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| 22:40.03 | s_ward | Hostile: I'd check the man or info pages for grub |
| 22:40.17 | meri | can i open my beer without be ashamet |
| 22:40.18 | tacocat | Is there a package to install/manage the nvidia graphics drivers for kernel 2.6.xx? |
| 22:40.19 | cusco | hyperstream: lol it was a random mirror |
| 22:40.26 | hyperstream | o |
| 22:40.28 | hyperstream | lol |
| 22:40.29 | gboutwell | Can I use a Net installer to install enough of the system to make a PPPoE connection to finish the configuration? |
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| 22:40.41 | s_ward | Hostile: You probably want to use grub-install and/or update-grub instead |
| 22:40.41 | hyperstream | <-- needs a fellow linuxer :/ |
| 22:40.47 | cusco | hyperstream: |
| 22:40.47 | cusco | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.uk.backports.org stable/package Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.uk.backports.org_debian_dists_stable_package_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 22:40.47 | gboutwell | Or Can the installer set-up such a connection during the install? |
| 22:40.48 | drac | tacocat: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 22:40.51 | cusco | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 22:40.54 | cusco | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 22:41.18 | humbolt | I need an enterprise backup software for linux and windows machines. What do you recommend? |
| 22:41.37 | hyperstream | oo now i get that when ever i cannot access the internet have you tryed manually opening them thru a web browser? |
| 22:41.38 | quittt | does anybody knows how do I stop amsn from crashing and opening LOTS of windows when I enter it? |
| 22:42.21 | tacocat | drac I don't have a package by that name available. |
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| 22:42.49 | hyperstream | brb |
| 22:42.55 | Eulex | cusco, ya, why dontch run apt-get update? |
| 22:43.00 | Eulex | *dontcha |
| 22:43.00 | cusco | what am I doing wrong with the backports? |
| 22:43.08 | drac | tacocat: Add contrib and non-free to your sources.list, and they will be. |
| 22:43.11 | cusco | Eulex: that happens when I run apt-get update |
| 22:43.17 | Eulex | cusco, hmm |
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| 22:43.38 | drac | tacocat: e.g. if you now have 'main' in /etc/apt/sources.list, make that 'main contrib non-free' and do 'apt-get update' |
| 22:43.54 | tacocat | deb http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 22:43.54 | tacocat | deb http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 22:43.54 | tacocat | deb http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 22:43.58 | cusco | I only have stable packages |
| 22:44.10 | cusco | deb http://www.uk.backports.org/debian stable package |
| 22:44.26 | cusco | ok |
| 22:44.27 | drac | tacocat: err, did you realize that /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner was an IRC command? |
| 22:44.31 | cusco | let me use those ones |
| 22:45.20 | tacocat | NO!!!! |
| 22:45.28 | gboutwell | I would like to do a Sarge Net Install... In order to do that the machine that I would be doing this on would be my internet connection, which requires an PPPoE setup... Will the Sarge Installer be able to handle this, or will it be able to install enough of a system on the HD without network to be able to make a PPPoE connection and add packages later? |
| 22:45.34 | drac | !tell tacocat about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:45.52 | tacocat | I got it.... Working on it. |
| 22:45.57 | florg | hi, when running Gaim on my GNOME desktop, there is no tray icon placed into the panel. Do i have to configure that? |
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| 22:46.08 | tacocat | Now I have to figure out why my sound card disappeared.... But first things first. |
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| 22:47.35 | meri | thats marwelos incredibel - so many listeners |
| 22:47.46 | PerfDave | gboutwell: Have you read the Installation Manual? If in doubt, I'd just get a full CD - it's more likely to work since it has more packages for unusual setups. |
| 22:47.57 | dogayonv | can anyone tell me how to get nvidia geforce card working? the nvidia installer fails each time I run it, the one from nvidia's site. |
| 22:48.12 | PerfDave | dogayonv: Don't use the installer from nvidia's site, it'll fuck your system. |
| 22:48.15 | PerfDave | dogayonv: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 22:48.18 | dogayonv | thx |
| 22:48.33 | gboutwell | PerfDave: I'm trying a 'test' install on the machine now with no networking setup/connected to see if it has what I need when done. |
| 22:48.42 | ArtistAgent | anyone know how to punch holes in firewalls i believe its a UDP |
| 22:48.51 | abrotman | !tell dogayonv about nvidia one liner |
| 22:48.54 | PerfDave | ArtistAgent: Are you talking about uPNP? |
| 22:49.28 | dogayonv | thanks |
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| 22:49.56 | dogayonv | abrotman how do I add the non free sources? |
| 22:50.01 | abrotman | !non-free |
| 22:50.01 | dpkg | it has been said that non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.htm |
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| 22:50.27 | dogayonv | thanks :) |
| 22:50.33 | ArtistAgent | no i dont think so PerfDave all i know is i have some sort of firewall that is f***ing with p2p progs on my network |
| 22:50.38 | s_ward | johey: erm, dunno, I can't find any Kconfig variables for it :/ |
| 22:50.46 | tacocat | OK, the rather lengthy nvidia one-liner seems to have worked but I have to reboot yet for my next kernel. See you. |
| 22:50.51 | ArtistAgent | possibly though |
| 22:50.54 | dogayonv | brb |
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| 22:51.02 | ArtistAgent | the prog says its a UDP firewall |
| 22:51.03 | humbolt | PerfDave: Which was the commercial backup solution you recommended again? |
| 22:51.07 | PerfDave | ArtistAgent: Well, uPNP is the only way I know of dynamically punching holes in firewalls. |
| 22:51.14 | johey | s_ward: hmm .. is that a bug then? |
| 22:51.19 | PerfDave | humbolt: I didn't recommend a commercial backup solution, I recommended a Free one. |
| 22:51.22 | s_ward | johey: looks like it |
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| 22:51.29 | PerfDave | tacocat: "next kernel"? |
| 22:51.32 | humbolt | PerfDave: Then somebody else did. |
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| 22:51.35 | PerfDave | ArtistAgent: What firewall do you have? |
| 22:51.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:51.47 | PerfDave | humbolt: I recommended AMANDA |
| 22:51.50 | humbolt | PerfDave: I need something with a decent graphical interface |
| 22:52.00 | johey | s_ward: doh |
| 22:52.02 | humbolt | PerfDave: I remember that! |
| 22:52.04 | ArtistAgent | you know i am not really sure its on a local network, how would i find that out PerfDave? |
| 22:52.13 | PerfDave | ArtistAgent: Ask your network administrator. |
| 22:52.14 | humbolt | PerfDave: I am looking into it right now |
| 22:52.17 | s_ward | johey: I'll try to apply to a pristine linux-source |
| 22:52.22 | ArtistAgent | k |
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| 22:52.59 | johey | s_ward: okay, thanks! however, i believe that is what i have done |
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| 22:53.22 | humbolt | PerfDave: It looks like there are a bunch of different ports used to transfer the data. Is there something that simply connects to the backup clients via SSH (or the other way round)? |
| 22:53.34 | s_ward | johey: the option should be CONFIG_REISER4_FS |
| 22:53.54 | johey | s_ward: is that easy to fix? |
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| 22:54.20 | PerfDave | humbolt: I don't think you can just use SSH, but you can specify the port range that AMANDA uses, down to a single port. |
| 22:54.23 | quittt | how do I make AMSN STOP CRASHING? |
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| 22:54.48 | PerfDave | quittt: You're running unstable? |
| 22:54.50 | dondelelcaro | quittt: figure out what it is that is causing it to crash and fix the bug; building an unstriped version and enabling coredumps will help you. |
| 22:54.50 | s_ward | johey: I think just a case of adding to $kernel/fs/Kconfig, I'm not sure though |
| 22:54.58 | quittt | PerfDave, no!! |
| 22:55.05 | PerfDave | quittt: You're running testing? |
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| 22:55.13 | quittt | yes but I had the same problem on sarge etc |
| 22:55.22 | PerfDave | quittt: amsn isn't in Sarge. |
| 22:55.31 | quittt | yes it is |
| 22:55.35 | PerfDave | Oh, my bad. |
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| 22:55.39 | humbolt | PerfDave: And amanda can use tar and/or does it use by default? |
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| 22:55.41 | PerfDave | Why didn't that show up when I searched for it earlier? |
| 22:55.51 | quittt | dont know |
| 22:55.53 | ArtistAgent | PerfDave, its a TCP firewall |
| 22:55.54 | PerfDave | humbolt: AMANDA's backups are recoverable from tape using tar and mt |
| 22:55.54 | johey | s_ward: will you try or am i on my own? |
| 22:55.57 | dogayonv | !non-free |
| 22:55.58 | dpkg | non-free is, like, always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.htm |
| 22:56.02 | PerfDave | ArtistAgent: That's meaningless. |
| 22:56.06 | s_ward | johey: I'm having a look at it now :) |
| 22:56.17 | ArtistAgent | ok :? |
| 22:56.26 | PerfDave | ArtistAgent: Tell your network administrator what ports you need forwarding, and get him to configure the firewall appropriately. |
| 22:56.28 | johey | s_ward: that is freckin' great :) |
| 22:56.37 | quittt | PerfDave, what does transport do? |
| 22:56.42 | ArtistAgent | ok i see |
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| 22:56.49 | ArtistAgent | will do thnx |
| 22:56.50 | meri | shanks - dpkg# |
| 22:57.08 | solid_liq | is there a package to install fonts, icons, etc for KDE with debian? |
| 22:57.09 | PerfDave | quittt: Transport? |
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| 22:57.13 | quittt | yeah |
| 22:57.16 | quittt | the app |
| 22:57.24 | quittt | nooo |
| 22:57.27 | quittt | import sorry |
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| 22:57.39 | quittt | because I added it to a program |
| 22:57.44 | PerfDave | quittt: import? I belive it's part of imagemagick and takes screenshots. Why are you asking me this? |
| 22:57.47 | quittt | and I do it all the time when I start amsn... |
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| 22:57.57 | quittt | PerfDave, not import EXPORT sorry |
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| 22:58.05 | PerfDave | quittt: I have no idea. |
| 22:58.09 | PerfDave | quittt: I don't use amsn |
| 22:58.11 | tech9iner | arrrrgh! ;[ |
| 22:58.14 | tech9iner | hated to doit |
| 22:58.23 | ma3x | ma3x:/home/ma3x# route add default gw 192.168.1.1 wlan0 |
| 22:58.24 | ma3x | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 22:58.26 | ma3x | why do i get that? |
| 22:58.33 | tech9iner | but had to call office of *.pub origin and request alternate format.. |
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| 22:58.55 | morpheus | hi everyone! I'm having some difficulties trying to install linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7. Well, not exactly installing, but when booting the kernel it says that /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/modules.dep is missing and kills the init. Anyone any ideia? (sorry about the larg msg) |
| 22:58.57 | thingfish | tech9iner: what format are they going to give it to you in? |
| 22:58.58 | nadim | Hi - I just upgraded an application and now I'm getting an error on virtually any application I run that notes 'Cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14' -- any ideas how to fix this ? |
| 22:59.01 | PerfDave | ma3x: Probably because 192.168.1.1 isn't directly reachable, according to your IP and hostmask. |
| 22:59.09 | tech9iner | doc or course thingfish ;] |
| 22:59.13 | deadcat | why is debian renaming kernel-image to linux-image? this is SOO ubuntu.... why? are debian users also stupid enough that they dont know what a kernel is, but linux? |
| 22:59.17 | tech9iner | or/of thingfish |
| 22:59.24 | hyperstream | ahh i just installed myth tv which install mysql etc, but whats the root account password for default install of mysql? , after the apt-get mythtv its gone into the mythtv setup any idea's? |
| 22:59.27 | ma3x | PerfDave, but 192.168.1.1 is perfectly reachable, I can ping it ... I am connected to it |
| 22:59.31 | thingfish | well, it could've been pdf |
| 22:59.31 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: because there are other kernels that are not linux. |
| 22:59.41 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: like freebsd, hurd, netbsd... the list goes on. |
| 22:59.43 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ah. |
| 22:59.45 | PerfDave | deadcat: I believe they're planning on merging their repositories with Debian GNU/HURD, Debian GNU/kFreeBSD etc. |
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| 22:59.51 | tacocat | That did not go well. |
| 22:59.56 | hyperstream | ma3x, you there? ok are you using gnome? |
| 22:59.57 | tech9iner | we do dox thingfish .. just no *.pub.. oh.. and No Windows neither!! lol |
| 23:00.01 | deadcat | i see. i thought they were gonna merge with ubuntu. hahah |
| 23:00.05 | PerfDave | ma3x: In that case, it might be a driver thing. Try clearing your routing table first? |
| 23:00.06 | hyperstream | i had this issue just yesterday |
| 23:00.10 | tech9iner | n/either |
| 23:00.18 | hyperstream | ma3x, do you have gnome ? |
| 23:00.35 | tacocat | Apparently the nvidia one-liner thing requires me to use a non-debian-standard kernel becuase it pissed on some stupid drivers. |
| 23:00.37 | tech9iner | funny how these damn keys have a typo mind o dere own.. |
| 23:00.53 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: yes, but is 192.168.1.1 accessible through wlan0? |
| 23:00.58 | tech9iner | jalapeno cat food.. say itaintSo thingfish !! roflmfao |
| 23:01.03 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:01.07 | solid_liq | is there a way to use apt-get to install fonts, icons, etc for KDE with debian? |
| 23:01.08 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: the output of ifconfig; and route -n; will be useful. |
| 23:01.10 | hyperstream | i just setup a wireless lan yesterday ma3x had the same issue |
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| 23:01.27 | tacocat | So... how do you install nvidia drivers without customizing your kernel? |
| 23:01.27 | WolF | sup all |
| 23:01.31 | PerfDave | solid_liq: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:01.34 | PerfDave | tacocat: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 23:01.36 | WolF | yo whats a good sniffer for linux? |
| 23:01.44 | PerfDave | WolF: tcpdump? |
| 23:01.59 | morpheus | tacocat, you need the kernel or linux-headers package too |
| 23:02.00 | WolF | got it thanks |
| 23:02.09 | solid_liq | WolF: ethereal |
| 23:02.11 | thingfish | tacocat: most of us don't have to customize our kernels to install nvidia "the debian way". |
| 23:02.20 | morpheus | WolF, Ethereal |
| 23:02.21 | hyperstream | ahh i just installed myth tv which install mysql etc, but whats the root account password for default install of mysql? , after the apt-get mythtv its gone into the mythtv setup any idea's? |
| 23:02.24 | hyperstream | opps |
| 23:02.25 | tacocat | I believe you... |
| 23:02.30 | tech9iner | rofl |
| 23:02.31 | WolF | ohh cool thanks |
| 23:02.37 | thingfish | heh |
| 23:02.46 | morpheus | lol |
| 23:02.50 | tacocat | I installed the linux-headers-2.6.12-1 |
| 23:02.52 | meri | hihi |
| 23:02.52 | solid_liq | !search icons |
| 23:03.02 | tech9iner | it sure aint pretty on my south end.. hence no jajapenos here mates |
| 23:03.02 | dondelelcaro | hyperstream: iirc, by default there isn't one; however, the configuration of mysql-server should have prompted you for it. |
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| 23:03.10 | tacocat | And it came back with a driver problem, an R-something .... hang on. |
| 23:03.17 | hyperstream | it didnt :/ |
| 23:03.22 | stew | hyperstream: read /usr/share/docs/mysql-server/README.Debian |
| 23:03.27 | thingfish | I like jalapenos...my dad used to grow them in his garden, and they were delicious. |
| 23:03.27 | hyperstream | perhaps its setting up next |
| 23:03.32 | solid_liq | !wifi |
| 23:03.32 | dpkg | somebody said wifi was a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
| 23:03.37 | hyperstream | thnx stew |
| 23:03.55 | tech9iner | hey there morpheus been many moons.. hell.. many months since i was cognizant enough to note your nick guv ;].. bs way o sayin hey! ;] |
| 23:03.58 | solid_liq | is dpkg working? I'm not getting any response any way I try |
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| 23:04.03 | nadim | any help would be greatly appreciated - my debian install is completely useless _now_ |
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| 23:04.12 | meri | u can use tcpdump for all of ur live - *g*+ |
| 23:04.13 | solid_liq | !confuse solid_liq |
| 23:04.14 | dpkg | Yes, how was their bacon yesterday, solid_liq? wellies of the democracy of tahiti with extra anchovies |
| 23:04.21 | tech9iner | your mobetta man than i palomine thingfish ;];] |
| 23:04.23 | solid_liq | never mind |
| 23:04.39 | cddesjar | how would i find libjavaplugin_oji |
| 23:04.40 | morpheus | hi everyone! I'm having some difficulties trying to install linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 with initrd. Well, not exactly installing, but when booting the kernel it says that /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/modules.dep is missing and kills the init. Anyone any ideia? |
| 23:05.08 | mccbaka | is there any way to get an associative array in javascript, when you request a key which does not exist, to just return NULL instead of throwing an exception? |
| 23:05.21 | solid_liq | anyone know if there are any issues with installing a kernel built from kernel.org sources? |
| 23:05.30 | mccbaka | or at least to interrogate an array to find out whether a key exists, something like perl exists($hash{key}); ? |
| 23:05.34 | thingfish | !iyhtays |
| 23:05.35 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 23:05.37 | mccbaka | ...uh... wait.. whoa |
| 23:05.46 | mccbaka | ...THIS isn't #javascript. sorry about that |
| 23:05.48 | morpheus | cddesjar if you mean in which package installed, you can try 'dpkg -S libjavaplugin_oji', but if you mean you want to know which package got it, try on www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 23:06.30 | nadim | Trying again (please help) -- I just upgraded an application and now I'm getting an error on virtually any application I run that notes 'Cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14' -- any ideas how to fix this ? |
| 23:06.33 | s_ward | johey: testing, touch some wood :) |
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| 23:07.30 | PerfDave | solid_liq: Define "issues"? As long as you use make-kpkg, you shouldn't break anything too badly. |
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| 23:07.57 | ubuh-huntuh | does anyone know if the X's in "(entering passive mode 192.168.2.3,X,X)" are related to server's passive port? |
| 23:07.59 | ma3x_ | this is what i got |
| 23:07.59 | Hate_MSN | guys |
| 23:08.01 | ma3x_ | 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 |
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| 23:08.03 | ma3x_ | 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 |
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| 23:08.11 | ma3x_ | and when i browse the internet it takes me 5 seconds to resolve a simple hostname |
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| 23:08.15 | ma3x_ | why is that? |
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| 23:08.22 | Hate_MSN | got to go |
| 23:08.25 | Hate_MSN | thanks |
| 23:08.25 | maffelu | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" <---what does that mean? |
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| 23:08.34 | ma3x | is gateway the DNS? |
| 23:08.42 | johey | s_ward: if you read the patch file, you see that it really should have put in some stuff in fs/Kconfig .. |
| 23:08.42 | hyperstream | ma3x, |
| 23:08.45 | WolF | eat responsibility. |
| 23:08.46 | hyperstream | i setup a wlan0 yesterday |
| 23:08.46 | morpheus | ma3x, what is your dns server? |
| 23:08.50 | PerfDave | ma3x: No, your gateway is your gateway :) |
| 23:08.51 | hyperstream | do you use gnome? |
| 23:08.57 | meri | so many users - im astaunded - |
| 23:09.01 | s_ward | johey: yes, I've just added that |
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| 23:09.17 | johey | s_ward: me too, but that did not help |
| 23:09.19 | solid_liq | PerfDave: I mean, standard kernel.org source: make xconfigure ; make ; make modules_install ; cp arch/i386/bzImage /boot ...etc |
| 23:09.20 | ma3x | morpheus, my dns server is 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:09.28 | s_ward | johey: I basically ripped it from the older patch in stable, it helped for me, I get the option |
| 23:09.31 | ryan` | maffelu, means that display 0, screen 0 does not support OpenGL |
| 23:09.37 | nadim | meri: sure, but are they helpful ? :-) |
| 23:09.45 | solid_liq | maffelu: your openGL isn't working |
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| 23:10.04 | johey | s_ward: hmm... |
| 23:10.05 | meri | nadim: hm lets see - |
| 23:10.15 | morpheus | maffelu, i guess that is because you have not choosen to load glx module in you X setup, check your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf if using Xorg |
| 23:10.27 | PerfDave | solid_liq: Yes, don't do that. Just use make-kpkg |
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| 23:10.51 | solid_liq | PerfDave: it doesn't work? |
| 23:10.53 | aqua | hi. im running sid, postfix + postgresql + saslauthd. i have virtual_* setup and i can recieve email for virtual domains. i have /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf /etc/pam_pgsql.conf and /etc/pam.d/smtp all setup and configured, i also configured saslauthd to store the socket inside the postfix chroot. i also tried linking smtpd.conf to /usr/lib/sasl2. and i still cannot authenticate users to send email from my smtp server. logs and config files: http://www.rafb.net/pa |
| 23:11.05 | ma3x | PerfDave, so whats wrong? Why does it take 5 secs to resolv every hostname? |
| 23:11.10 | PerfDave | solid_liq: It may work, but make-kpkg will make things easier for you, set up your bootloader etc. automatically. |
| 23:11.19 | ma3x | PerfDave, /etc/resolv.conf seems to have the proper nameserver |
| 23:11.34 | morpheus | ma3x, right, so your default gateway is 192.168.2.1, and how does this machine (..2.1) reaches the 192.168.1.1? Is it the same box? |
| 23:11.39 | PerfDave | ma3x: Dunno. Try pinging your DNS server, or tracerouting it? |
| 23:11.51 | solid_liq | maffelu: or you have Option glx in your xorg.conf and you have the nvidia driver install (remove Option glx for the nvidia drivers; see their readme) |
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| 23:12.12 | ma3x | morpheus, its not the same box, no no. |
| 23:12.14 | maffelu | say what now? |
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| 23:12.33 | maffelu | I don't even have a xorg.conf |
| 23:12.37 | hyperstream | to fix ma3x's issues i had to use gnomes 'Networing' application and it configured it for me :) |
| 23:12.38 | aqua | that didnt work :( |
| 23:12.46 | ma3x | ok firstoff what means destination? |
| 23:12.52 | ma3x | at the route list |
| 23:13.02 | aqua | ma3x: next hop |
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| 23:13.16 | aqua | err no |
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| 23:13.25 | aqua | ma3x: destination is just that... the destination... |
| 23:13.32 | bitshifty | has anyone here ever installed debian from floppy disks? |
| 23:13.32 | hyperstream | /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-4.1/README.Debian.gz <-- how do i read this format? |
| 23:13.35 | bitshifty | i am having some trouble. |
| 23:13.39 | PerfDave | hyperstream: zless |
| 23:13.44 | aqua | bitshifty: they still make those ? |
| 23:13.51 | bitshifty | :p |
| 23:13.52 | solid_liq | PerfDave: I'm used to using the kernel.org way... I've built custom kernels for redhat, mandrake, slackware, gentoo... and now I'm trying debian. The default kernel doesn't support several things on my laptop, so I'm afraid make-dpkg will have issues as well. |
| 23:13.57 | michaeln | how can i add user directories for apache? |
| 23:14.15 | WolF | apt-get source etherreal <---- something is wrong there right? |
| 23:14.17 | solid_liq | maffelu: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:14.26 | morpheus | ma3x, hum... let me try a different approach... What is: your ip / mask? your default gateway? your dns server? |
| 23:14.27 | solid_liq | WolF: one r, not two |
| 23:14.28 | aqua | michaeln: the example is given to you in the distro config |
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| 23:14.35 | morpheus | WolF: yeah, too many Rs... |
| 23:14.36 | PerfDave | solid_liq: make-kpkg is just a tool to build kernels for you, you can use it with vanilla kernel.org sources, or Debian kernel-source packages. |
| 23:14.44 | WolF | ohh damn got it |
| 23:14.49 | PerfDave | solid_liq: It makes life much easier, and makes it easier to roll back to earlier kernels if you have problems. |
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| 23:15.23 | ma3x | morpheus, my nameserver is 192.168.1.1, gateway 192.168.2.1. Now how do I setup that in route? |
| 23:15.38 | solid_liq | PerfDave: but I still do the config the normal way? |
| 23:15.42 | morpheus | ma3x, what is your ip and mask? |
| 23:16.00 | yoo | Somebody use dovecot ? |
| 23:16.08 | solid_liq | ma3x: what's your machines ip? |
| 23:16.12 | ma3x | morpheus, my internal ip is always different depends .... |
| 23:16.17 | morpheus | ma3x, the problem is that your ip / mask should enable you to reach your default gateway. They MUST be on the same network. |
| 23:16.20 | ma3x | the external or internal? |
| 23:16.21 | Supaplex | 127.0.0.1 ;) |
| 23:16.26 | morpheus | ma3x, ok, but what is it now? |
| 23:16.30 | morpheus | Supaplex: =P |
| 23:16.41 | stew | ma3x: setup the gateway in /etc/network/interfaces, and setup the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf ; they both have manpages |
| 23:16.46 | solid_liq | ma3x: but are you on 192.168.1.x or 192.168.2.x or something different? |
| 23:16.47 | ma3x | morpheus, which one the internal or external ip? |
| 23:16.58 | humbolt | PerfDave: With amanda, do I have to backup some data that amanda writes to /var as well in order to be able to restore something in case the amanda-server hdds crash? |
| 23:17.00 | morpheus | ma3x, internal |
| 23:17.18 | PerfDave | humbolt: I'm not sure. I don't think so. |
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| 23:17.22 | ma3x | morpheus, this is what i got from ifconfig inet addr:192.168.2.132 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 23:17.25 | meri | do you know minah maide or hope? |
| 23:17.27 | PerfDave | solid_liq: Yes, you configure it as usual, and use make-kpkg to build. |
| 23:18.06 | solid_liq | ma3x: route add 192.168.1.0/24 |
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| 23:18.31 | solid_liq | PerfDave: cool, thanks! |
| 23:18.34 | ma3x | solid_liq, didnt work |
| 23:18.42 | morpheus | ma3x, right, so, you're in 192.168.2.0/24 net, which means that to reach 192.168.1.1 you need a gateway that can reach both you and your gateway, or that knows a new route to it. |
| 23:18.45 | ma3x | solid_liq, maybe with -host or something? |
| 23:19.00 | morpheus | ma3x, that means: route add default gw 192.168.2.1 |
| 23:19.01 | stew | ma3x: you use dhcp? |
| 23:19.10 | ma3x | stew, yes |
| 23:19.22 | stew | ma3x: then your dhcp server / client should be setting up your gateway for you |
| 23:19.35 | solid_liq | ma3x: then try route add 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev wlan0 (or eth0 or whatever) |
| 23:19.35 | morpheus | stew: if his dhcp was right... **sight** ;) |
| 23:19.55 | stew | ma3x: do you have more than one ethernet card / ip? |
| 23:20.04 | solid_liq | ma3x: then try route add gw 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev wlan0 (or eth0 or whatever) |
| 23:20.06 | ma3x | stew, I have one eth0 but its down |
| 23:20.09 | solid_liq | sorry |
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| 23:20.37 | solid_liq | ma3x: what device are you using? |
| 23:20.41 | ma3x | wlan0 |
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| 23:21.01 | solid_liq | ma3x: then try route add gw 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev wlan0 |
| 23:21.05 | stew | ma3x: is the nameserver on the same network as your router? (the 192.168.2.1 gateway)? |
| 23:21.20 | ma3x | stew, the nameserver is 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:21.29 | ma3x | stew, and its specified correctly at /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:21.31 | meri | do you know thomething about minah maide or hope? |
| 23:21.37 | abrotman | meri: about what? |
| 23:21.44 | stew | ma3x: is it on the same physical network? or is it required that you go through the router? |
| 23:21.50 | johey | s_ward: now i've tried with the official reiser4 patch as well, and that gives exactly the same result |
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| 23:21.54 | solid_liq | oh, sorry, I forgot it's route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev wlan0 |
| 23:22.01 | imango | hello every one, I have a blackberry phone and want to connect it to a debian system...is it possible? if yes what apps would I use? Thank you |
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| 23:22.40 | stew | solid_liq: that is only going to work if the nameserver is on the same layer 2 network, in which case he should just change his layer 3 address |
| 23:23.00 | ma3x | stew, i don't know much, but i should go thru the access point probably |
| 23:23.01 | stew | solid_liq: and we don't yet know if its on the same layer 2 network |
| 23:23.06 | s_ward | johey: Ach, I can't actually compile the kernel at the moment, some other (glibc) problem, but I'll upload my patch somewhere so you can try it |
| 23:23.07 | bitshifty | should i format my debian floppies before putting the image files on them? |
| 23:23.09 | solid_liq | stew: it sounds like he is |
| 23:23.09 | ma3x | solid_liq, gw: Host name lookup failure |
| 23:23.17 | stew | solid_liq: not according to him |
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| 23:23.22 | morpheus | I'm having some difficulties trying to boot linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 with initrd. When booting the kernel it says that /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/modules.dep is missing and kills the init. Anyone any ideia? |
| 23:23.26 | solid_liq | ma3x: route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev wlan0 |
| 23:23.29 | PerfDave | bitshifty: It shouldn't matter, the binary image will overwrite whatever filesystem you format it with :) |
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| 23:23.49 | imango | hello every one, I have a blackberry phone and want to connect it to a debian system...is it possible? if yes what apps would I use? Thank you.... |
| 23:24.00 | PerfDave | !tell imango -about repeat |
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| 23:24.09 | PerfDave | imango: I suggest that google is your best option here, probably. |
| 23:24.17 | johey | s_ward: hey, now i see one thing. in fs/Kconfig there is a line: source "fs/reiser4/Kconfig", and that file contains all the necessary config options... |
| 23:24.20 | s_ward | johey: Apply this on top of the existing reiser4 patch: http://sward.vm.bytemark.co.uk/~simon/stuff/patch-reiser4-kconfig.diff |
| 23:24.41 | s_ward | s/reiser4 patch/reiser4 patched kernel source/ |
| 23:24.53 | imango | PerfDace: Thank you man |
| 23:25.02 | stew | ma3x: is your access point just an access point? like a bridge? or is it actually a router? is it the access point that has the 192.168.2.1 address? |
| 23:25.06 | gfs | Im just trying to install the base system of sarge on x86 with a net install and it cant install b/c it cant download libgdbm3, what should i do next? |
| 23:25.18 | quittt | why timidity is out from etch? |
| 23:25.21 | quittt | and xine too? |
| 23:25.41 | PerfDave | !why is xine not in testing |
| 23:25.42 | dpkg | xine is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xine |
| 23:25.59 | bucky | morpheus, do you have a /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/modules.dep ? |
| 23:26.06 | dangerr | when I try to install debian, i get a network autoconfiguration failure... this doesnt make sense all i have to do is plug in my winboxes and they get a connection immediately |
| 23:26.38 | dangerr | it says "Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol. Alternatively, the DHCP server may be slow or some network hardware is not working properly." |
| 23:26.38 | quittt | PerfDave, xine-lib is but xine-ui isnt |
| 23:27.03 | meri | i use a 2.6.12 kernel and everything works fine :) |
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| 23:27.15 | quittt | PerfDave, and timidity too |
| 23:27.17 | morpheus | bucky, hey tx dude. Well, actualy yes. I'm using 2.6.11 and no problem. On my / filesystem, yes, the .../2.6.12-1-k7/modules.dep exists. I'm wondering if it isn't related to initrd. |
| 23:27.23 | solid_liq | anyone know why kde 3.4.x isn't in testing? |
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| 23:27.40 | monitor | jjijijij |
| 23:27.53 | quittt | PerfDave, it doesnt show why |
| 23:27.53 | PerfDave | quittt: I'm quite sure you can work out the URL for that ;) |
| 23:27.58 | bucky | morpheus, which distro are you using? |
| 23:28.12 | dangerr | any ideas why DHCP networking wouldnt work on my linux box but works fine with my winbox |
| 23:28.17 | johey | s_ward: thanks! that gave me two options to do one thing, but two is better than 0 :). compiling at the moment. |
| 23:28.18 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:28.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:28.19 | morpheus | bucky, the 'aptitude install linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7' magic is not working, but it did work for 2.6.11. |
| 23:28.21 | stew | solid_liq: #debian-kde does |
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| 23:28.43 | gfs | dangerr, maybe it doesnt recognize your network card? |
| 23:28.53 | morpheus | bucky, using debian testing / unstable, but focused on testing. I only use unstable to get the latest kernel stuff. |
| 23:28.53 | PerfDave | quittt: aba has requested its removal |
| 23:28.58 | gfs | are you attaching to a router or straight cable |
| 23:29.00 | dondelelcaro | quittt: packages with RC bugs get removed from testing all the time; but libxine1 is in testing... |
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| 23:29.08 | s_ward | johey: :) |
| 23:29.08 | meri | thanks developers - hihi |
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| 23:29.15 | dangerr | its really odd though, because ive had net on this same hardware configuration before, on debian no doubt |
| 23:29.19 | dangerr | it was in a different location though |
| 23:29.22 | solid_liq | stew: thanks |
| 23:29.26 | dangerr | im not going through a router |
| 23:29.30 | dangerr | a switch connected to my cable modem |
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| 23:29.35 | stew | solid_liq: oh i didn't realize 3.4 had hit sid, /msg dpkg why is kdelibs not in testing |
| 23:29.42 | dangerr | i believe the DHCP server would be the actual cable company |
| 23:29.53 | stew | solid_liq: it probably just hasn't spent enough time in unstable yet |
| 23:29.54 | gfs | have you tried connecting directly to the cable without the switch |
| 23:30.09 | bucky | morpheus, check if you have the initrd in /boot and if grub's menu.lst is right |
| 23:30.26 | dangerr | ill try that now hang on im going to disconnect |
| 23:30.29 | quittt | how do I play midi files now? |
| 23:30.30 | dondelelcaro | dangerr: do you only have one computer hooked up to the cable modem? |
| 23:30.34 | quittt | is it implemented in alsa? |
| 23:30.35 | morpheus | bucky, oh my holy god... just a sec... |
| 23:30.46 | meri | i miss in sid a kde 3.4 - |
| 23:30.48 | dangerr | no, several computers |
| 23:30.50 | dangerr | and xbox's |
| 23:30.51 | dangerr | etc |
| 23:30.54 | johey | s_ward: it's compiling reiser4 module right now... |
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| 23:31.11 | ma3x | alright now listen up |
| 23:31.12 | dangerr | brb |
| 23:31.13 | ma3x | i got the proper information |
| 23:31.15 | ma3x | stew are you there? |
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| 23:31.24 | ma3x | IP: 192.168.2.132 |
| 23:31.24 | dondelelcaro | dangerr: and there's no router in between them and the gateway? You probably don't have IPs for them all. |
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| 23:31.30 | dondelelcaro | !tell flowtron -about ask |
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| 23:31.48 | ma3x | Gateway/DHCP (are the same IP): 192.168.2.1 |
| 23:32.01 | Orfeous | what to type in shorewall rules-file if i want to add a specific ip to specific port? |
| 23:32.02 | ma3x | nameserver: 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:32.05 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: just use the paster bot to paste the actual output. |
| 23:32.10 | zinx | damnit, who's bright idea was it to make udev not even try to install if linux-2.6.12 isn't running |
| 23:32.11 | flowtron | !irritate dondelelcaro |
| 23:32.12 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: wenas where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 23:32.17 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, I'm typing it |
| 23:32.33 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: yes; but it's far easier for us to have the actual output... |
| 23:32.33 | stew | ma3x: you should have your dhcp server tell your client that it provides a route to 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 23:32.41 | p8m | zinx: mine, you have a problem with it? |
| 23:32.43 | solid_liq | ma3x: then you just need to put 192.168.1.1 in your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:32.44 | gfs | I cant download libgdbm3 during base install on net install? anything I can do to fix this? |
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| 23:33.02 | stew | ma3x: your gateway has 2 ethernet cards? |
| 23:33.03 | ma3x | stew, I can't have the dhcp server do that, I don't own it, just allowed to use it |
| 23:33.14 | ma3x | stew, I'm talking about wlan0 all the time |
| 23:33.22 | zinx | p8m: absolutely |
| 23:33.32 | solid_liq | ma3x: then you just need to put 192.168.1.1 in your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:33.37 | stew | ma3x: your gateway is connected to your access point on one interface and the nameserver is on another interface? |
| 23:33.37 | ma3x | solid_liq, it is already there |
| 23:33.43 | solid_liq | hmmm |
| 23:33.43 | ma3x | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:33.50 | solid_liq | right |
| 23:33.50 | meri | i miss in sid a kde 3.4 but waiting kosts a less ;) |
| 23:33.54 | zinx | p8m: it's screwing up my upgrade nicely |
| 23:33.57 | daedalus_ | flowtron: q lot of us don't specialize in any particular thing. If you have a question, then ask... someone here has probably seen it or has an intelligent guess. |
| 23:34.05 | hyperstream | how do i add a user to mysql ? |
| 23:34.05 | zinx | p8m: going to have to hold several packages back due to it |
| 23:34.14 | zinx | p8m: then upgrade them once i reboot the thing |
| 23:34.21 | p8m | zinx: Why do you need that kernel? |
| 23:34.21 | daedalus_ | hyperstream: google is your friend :) |
| 23:34.31 | ma3x | stew, it's not my gateway, and no idea how it is connected. Here on the 11th floor we have one accesspoint |
| 23:34.41 | zinx | p8m: the 2.6.11.x kernel i'm running? I don't. |
| 23:34.43 | ma3x | And in the whole building there are about 5-7 AP's |
| 23:34.54 | hyperstream | so is irc |
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| 23:35.00 | ma3x | that's all I know along with the address information I provided before |
| 23:35.02 | zinx | p8m: but I do need the newer gcc to compile the new kernel |
| 23:35.09 | grnade | hmm... direct connection to the modem seems to have worked |
| 23:35.15 | grnade | why would going through my switch matter? |
| 23:35.16 | p8m | zinx: Why do you need a newer kernel? |
| 23:35.23 | dondelelcaro | hyperstream: GRANT FOO,BAR,BAZ ON foodb TO USER foo@hostname IDENTIFIED BY 'foopass'; |
| 23:35.24 | solid_liq | ma3x: how are you testing your connection? |
| 23:35.28 | zinx | p8m: easy. So I can upgrade udev :P |
| 23:35.28 | gfs | hyperstream: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/adding-users.html mysql doc is you friend |
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| 23:35.35 | ma3x | solid_liq, browsing, googling |
| 23:35.37 | ratchet | ma3x: you ever connected to the network before |
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| 23:35.42 | ma3x | I know this gotta be route problem |
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| 23:35.45 | solid_liq | ma3x: try ping www.google.com |
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| 23:35.49 | imango | Sorry guys , I think I am new to the forum and I do not know the rules very well, if I was unclear in any way, please excuse me...I did not read forum policies, and I am still learning how to get around it....than you for your help. |
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| 23:36.01 | stew | ma3x: you can try this then; in the wlan0 section of interfaces, add "up route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 wlan0" then ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0 |
| 23:36.05 | solid_liq | ma3x: you may have to use a proxy server |
| 23:36.07 | ma3x | PING google.com (216.239.39.99) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 23:36.07 | ma3x | 64 bytes from 216.239.39.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=242 time=111 ms |
| 23:36.07 | ma3x | 64 bytes from 216.239.39.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=242 time=202 ms |
| 23:36.11 | tacocat | OK... Here's some progress on my nvidia kernel problem. |
| 23:36.13 | p8m | zinx: udev works with 2.6.8 |
| 23:36.16 | zinx | p8m: the new udev package (which several other packages depend on) requires 2.6.12+ |
| 23:36.21 | stew | solid_liq: stop guessing |
| 23:36.24 | solid_liq | ma3x: you have to configure a proxy server |
| 23:36.25 | zinx | p8m: No, no it does not. Not the sid version. |
| 23:36.30 | solid_liq | ma3x: you are connected |
| 23:36.35 | ma3x | solid_liq, no no. no proxy server |
| 23:36.43 | solid_liq | stew: I'm not guessing, he can ping www.google.com |
| 23:36.50 | meri | is here hope minah or maide? |
| 23:37.00 | abrotman | meri: what the hell are you talking about? |
| 23:37.17 | solid_liq | ma3x: it sounds like there is a proxying firewall set up on the network you're connecting to |
| 23:37.21 | abrotman | meri: you've asked that like 10 times in the last 20 minutes |
| 23:37.34 | solid_liq | ma3x: but your dns and routing are working |
| 23:37.47 | meri | abrotman: shut up! |
| 23:37.55 | flowtron | I've already got Skype to work under Mepis but am unsure about all the details - under Sarge sound seems okay but Skype doesn't work with CALLTO ... I expect I need to use something like ESD but am unsure about all the implications ... any suggestions? |
| 23:37.56 | abrotman | meri: are you looking for people on irc? |
| 23:38.03 | morpheus | bucky, can you believe that? boy... i was stupid, how i was stupid... |
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| 23:38.12 | solid_liq | ma3x: is there someone you can ask to find out if they have their browser set up to use a proxy server? |
| 23:38.43 | johey | s_ward: i'm not sure this will work. i get some warnings like: WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.12/kernel/fs/reiser4/reiser4.ko needs unknown symbol zlib_deflateInit2_ |
| 23:38.43 | ma3x | solid_liq, no proxy server. In windows in detects all auto, and it works |
| 23:38.51 | ma3x | but don't know what here the problem might be |
| 23:38.57 | ma3x | I'm sure it has to do with route |
| 23:39.16 | solid_liq | ma3x: but you can ping google, so your routing must be working |
| 23:39.28 | meri | abrotman: when i look for people i don t tell u |
| 23:39.29 | tacocat | I seem to have gcc-4.0 'command not found'. And I can't install it because there are a lot of dependency problems.... |
| 23:39.40 | ma3x | stew, im not sure anyway about 192.168.1.0 |
| 23:39.50 | abrotman | !tell meri about u |
| 23:39.55 | zinx | tacocat: you trying to run stable + unstable or something+ |
| 23:40.00 | zinx | tacocat: erh, ? even |
| 23:40.01 | ma3x | because my address now is 192.168.2.132 so shouldn't that be 192.168.2.0 ? |
| 23:40.03 | solid_liq | ma3x: do you have a windows machine currently connected? |
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| 23:40.11 | ma3x | solid_liq, no, dualboot |
| 23:40.15 | abdula | Bill Gates Strikes a Pose for Teen Beat Photospread, 1983 --> http://systemsecure.org/ssforum/viewtopic.php?t=85 |
| 23:40.20 | tacocat | Yes I am and I just figured that out.... I guess my gcc is stable and my kernel 2.6.12 is testing.. |
| 23:40.23 | s_ward | johey: that looks like you need CONFIG_ZLIB_DEFLAT |
| 23:40.32 | s_ward | s/DEFLAT/DEFLATE/ |
| 23:40.32 | stew | ma3x: you need to ask your isp |
| 23:40.44 | ma3x | stew, there is no isp |
| 23:40.46 | solid_liq | ma3x: you could always go into windows, start a command shell, and type: ipconfig /all and write down what comes up |
| 23:40.48 | stew | ma3x: if their dhcp server were correctly setup you shouldn't have to do anything |
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| 23:40.54 | ma3x | just some old guy who had some experts setup the network |
| 23:41.06 | stew | ma3x: you need to ask the old guy and/or the "experts" |
| 23:41.06 | ma3x | and of course it's setup in a way when you connect from windows everything works auto |
| 23:41.14 | johey | s_ward: oki, where do i find that? |
| 23:41.20 | ma3x | stew, ask what? |
| 23:41.32 | ma3x | solid_liq, ok, i'll write that info |
| 23:41.33 | ma3x | hold on |
| 23:41.37 | s_ward | johey: Should be yet another kernel option |
| 23:41.49 | tacocat | zinx: Lets try that again with --testing..... |
| 23:41.58 | flowtron | I set up a connection to a VPN for a remote location w/o DSL - it's using a Satellite connection + ISDN "back-channel" (correct phrasing?) ... sometimes it gives trouble connecting - any hints? |
| 23:41.59 | johey | s_ward: yeah, but where? there are some options :) |
| 23:42.05 | Orfeous | what to type in shorewall rules-file if i want to add a specific ip to specific port? |
| 23:42.14 | zinx | tacocat: it's likely you've already screwed your system over if you tried to mix them in your sources.list |
| 23:42.22 | flowtron | Orfeus : DNAT |
| 23:42.25 | abrotman | flowtron: you're using satellite and isdn? .. and you're surprised you have a problem ? |
| 23:42.28 | tacocat | Not with preferences.... |
| 23:42.34 | flowtron | abrotman : no |
| 23:42.36 | narg | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 23:42.41 | narg | I get that along with other errors |
| 23:42.44 | Orfeous | flowtron: no, i want an ACCEPT-line.. |
| 23:42.46 | narg | My package db corrupted? |
| 23:42.46 | flowtron | abrotman : but would like suggestions :) |
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| 23:43.00 | dondelelcaro | narg: please give us the complete output with all of the errors. |
| 23:43.08 | dondelelcaro | narg: use the paster bot to do so. |
| 23:43.08 | abrotman | flowtron: i,personally, have no idea |
| 23:43.12 | flowtron | Orfeous : what do you want ... exactly? |
| 23:43.12 | daedalus_ | flowtron: How often are you connecting? |
| 23:43.30 | tacocat | zinx: At least I expect my preferences to keep out of too much hot water. |
| 23:43.45 | cheriff_AWAY | good morning folks.. I have a configure script claiming getopt is required but not present, but i have both cmdline getopt and /usr/include/getopt.h |
| 23:43.49 | cheriff_AWAY | what am i missing? |
| 23:43.59 | paster | "narg" at 65.171.97.57 pasted "apt" (5 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/484 |
| 23:44.02 | stew | cheriff_AWAY: what are you trying to compile? |
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| 23:44.09 | tacocat | Whoa!!! |
| 23:44.09 | narg | http://channels.debian.net/paste/484 |
| 23:44.12 | tacocat | That worked..... |
| 23:44.23 | tacocat | I forgot I had to restart my Xserver.... |
| 23:44.24 | narg | gah, afk a sec. |
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| 23:44.36 | cheriff_AWAY | stew: really slick screensaver (http://rss-glx.sourceforge.net/) |
| 23:44.37 | flowtron | daedalus_ : ??? irregularly ... just that it takes a ... complicated setup to work - disconnect the LAN ... boot ... connect LAN ... enter the VPN password ... then it works ... why not in another config - like it does with a "shared connection" on a Win based LAN or a hotel-setup?!?! |
| 23:44.44 | tacocat | brb |
| 23:44.50 | dondelelcaro | narg: 1) you can't lock. 2) /var/cache/apt appears to be read only. |
| 23:44.54 | Orfeous | flowtron: i did just tell you |
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| 23:44.59 | zinx | cheriff_AWAY: you realize that's packaged, right? |
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| 23:45.12 | Orfeous | flowtron: instead of allowing that port to everyone i want to accept for one ip only |
| 23:45.17 | tacocat | Glad I got this working with the 2.6.12 kernel. |
| 23:45.28 | tacocat | Now I forget why I needed the upgrade. |
| 23:45.35 | flowtron | Orfeous : 1 external IP goes to one specific internal IP? |
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| 23:45.41 | tacocat | Oh yeah... Sound and cd burners... |
| 23:45.47 | Napalmz | i just installed samba and hmmm... i can access a share with a windows client on my debian box, but it is read-only, how to make it read-write? |
| 23:45.55 | Orfeous | flowtron: no.. |
| 23:46.05 | dondelelcaro | Napalmz: change the smb.conf to export the share as rw. |
| 23:46.13 | Orfeous | flowtron: one external ip goes to my fw-ip.. my internet ip :) |
| 23:46.14 | flowtron | Napalmz : add "writeable yes" to the shares config in smb.conf |
| 23:46.20 | cheriff_AWAY | stew: D'oh! thought it was just someone's small personal project |
| 23:46.35 | Napalmz | i logged in using a user/pass |
| 23:46.39 | Napalmz | of one of my user |
| 23:46.40 | Napalmz | well |
| 23:46.42 | Napalmz | okay |
| 23:46.44 | dondelelcaro | cheriff_AWAY: you'll find that almost everything is packaged in Debian. |
| 23:46.51 | dondelelcaro | Napalmz: please don't over use the enter key. |
| 23:46.57 | Napalmz | sorry |
| 23:47.08 | dondelelcaro | !tell cheriff_AWAY -about search |
| 23:47.09 | tacocat | I got this new ABIT NS7 mobo and sound was dead... but now it's back :) |
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| 23:47.15 | tacocat | This is great! |
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| 23:47.29 | dondelelcaro | cheriff_AWAY: what dpkg told you should help you find them in the future |
| 23:47.47 | flowtron | Orfeous : ACCEPT fw WWW.XXX.YYY.ZZZ tcp 12345 |
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| 23:48.10 | tacocat | I have a question about the SCSI emulation for a cd burner. Do I still need it under 2.6.12? |
| 23:48.23 | stew | tacocat: no |
| 23:48.30 | dondelelcaro | tacocat: no, but some people still prefer it. |
| 23:48.38 | DamienK | hey guys, I have an odd problem here, I have setup a syslog server, the syslog server can ping the router, but the router cannot ping the syslog server nor does it log to it, they are both on the same switch, in the same subnet.. any idea what could be blocking the router from the syslog? |
| 23:48.52 | flowtron | Orfeous : 12345 is _obviously_ to be YOUR port |
| 23:48.52 | meri | scsi burner works well under 2.6.12 - |
| 23:49.03 | tacocat | Without the SCSI-EMUL? |
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| 23:49.13 | PerfDave | DamienK: A firewall? :) |
| 23:49.16 | cheriff_AWAY | stew: thanks! |
| 23:49.18 | flowtron | Orfeous : it might even be UDP instead of TCP :) |
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| 23:49.24 | DamienK | PerfDaveno firewall set, |
| 23:49.35 | tacocat | dondelelcaro: Is there a performance issue? IIRC there was once. |
| 23:49.38 | meri | but who needs scsi burner - |
| 23:49.38 | ma3x | That's actually all the information I gave you before |
| 23:50.06 | dondelelcaro | tacocat: there may be, but I've never seen it really matter for cdrom devices |
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| 23:50.22 | tacocat | meri: I have an ATAPI, but it used to be only usable as a scsi-emulation driver. |
| 23:50.23 | ma3x | IP: 192.168.2.132; Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0; Gateway: 192.168.2.1; DHCP server: 192.168.2.1; DNS server: 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:50.33 | tacocat | OK, I guess maybe it's not a big deal then. |
| 23:50.46 | ma3x | 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 23:50.46 | ma3x | 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 23:50.53 | ma3x | those are the route -n |
| 23:51.08 | tacocat | Somewhere I have a Parallel Port Zip Drive that always needed that same scsi emulation driver. You think it might still? |
| 23:51.16 | flowtron | daedalus_ : sorry about the PRIVMSG ... got confused - usually I use bitchx on a terminal :) |
| 23:51.18 | meri | hm atapi burners work well with 2.6.12 kernels -;) |
| 23:51.44 | ma3x | stew, I tried what you told me before to put in interfaces, and take it down and up, but no success |
| 23:52.00 | stew | ma3x: can you ping 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 23:52.04 | ma3x | stew, yes! |
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| 23:52.25 | Leomar | galera, tem sentido um arquivo compactado como .tar.tar |
| 23:52.25 | stew | ma3x: then it's not a routing problem |
| 23:52.26 | Leomar | ? |
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| 23:52.47 | ma3x | stew, the whole trouble is when I browse it takes me upto 5-7 seconds to resolv a hostname |
| 23:52.52 | daedalus_ | flowtron: not a big deal |
| 23:53.02 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: are there any other entries in the routing table? |
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| 23:53.08 | flowtron | Leomar : tar.tar no es un formato acceptable ... es un tar o es una otra cosa :) |
| 23:53.08 | ma3x | stew, and using nslookup it resolves them immediately |
| 23:53.11 | ratchet | ma3x: the delay is not a routing problem the delay is with the name server's lookup taking too long. |
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| 23:53.15 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, just the two i've listed |
| 23:53.21 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: not even a localhost line? |
| 23:53.29 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, no |
| 23:53.36 | dondelelcaro | ok, good. |
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| 23:53.50 | johey | s_ward: heeey .. if you select the zlib deflate thingy, the reiser4 shows up without patching anything :)) |
| 23:53.57 | ma3x | ratchet, its not nameserver problem, because nslookup can resolv immediately |
| 23:54.00 | Orfeous | flowtron: ACCEPT net:1.2.3.4 fw tcp 22 will do my work ;) |
| 23:54.04 | ma3x | but not firefox or xchat or anything else |
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| 23:54.10 | johey | s_ward: (except for the reiser4 patch, that is...) |
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| 23:54.20 | flowtron | Orfeous : Good for you ... glad I could help :) |
| 23:54.24 | daedalus_ | flowtron: have you tried leaving the LAN up and just DHCPing your addr when you bring up your box? |
| 23:54.26 | Orfeous | http://www.shorewall.net/FAQ.htm#faq24 |
| 23:54.26 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: and does ping $(hostname); work instantly? |
| 23:54.35 | s_ward | johey: cool, I think we took the long way around then :) |
| 23:54.43 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 23:54.48 | ma3x | PING localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 23:54.48 | ma3x | 64 bytes from localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.056 ms |
| 23:54.48 | ma3x | 64 bytes from localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.059 ms |
| 23:54.55 | johey | s_ward: yes, i believe so :)... thanks alot! |
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| 23:55.17 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: wait, your hostname is localhost.localdomain? |
| 23:55.19 | flowtron | daedalus_ : Well - it's a Debian box doing the routing, the SkyNet-Box is just connected via LAN to it - the routing takes place on Linux and no DHCP there ... |
| 23:55.39 | flowtron | daedalus_ : If it boots with a LAN-IP it doesn't work ... that's my issue |
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| 23:55.46 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, when i type hostname its ma3x.mine.nu |
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| 23:56.01 | ma3x | but that command you gave me, executes PING localhost.localdomain |
| 23:56.09 | ma3x | i mean that's what you wanted me to type ,right ? |
| 23:56.14 | flowtron | daedalus_ : "it" meaning the Win-Box trying to connect to the VPN |
| 23:56.15 | daedalus_ | flowtron: I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around your setup. Which link is giving you problems? |
| 23:56.43 | Leomar | flowtron: thanks ! ;-) |
| 23:56.56 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: if hostname returns ma3x.mine.nu; ping $(hostname); will ping ma3x.mine.nu |
| 23:57.10 | ma3x | ma3x:/home/ma3x# hostname |
| 23:57.10 | ma3x | ma3x.mine.nu |
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| 23:57.15 | ma3x | that's what it returns |
| 23:57.16 | daedalus_ | flowtron: so this is a windows problem ;) |
| 23:57.28 | dondelelcaro | right, and ping $(hostname); is equivalent to ping ma3x.mine.nu; |
| 23:57.29 | flowtron | daedalus_ : The problem is the instability. I`m currently not at the site but the complicated way seems to work stabily - so that's okay - I just would like to understand it -.... or even fix the issue |
| 23:57.31 | ma3x | ma3x:/home/ma3x# ping $(hostname); |
| 23:57.31 | ma3x | PING localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 23:57.36 | meri | do you know something about "streicher"? |
| 23:57.37 | ma3x | I guess not dondelelcaro |
| 23:57.48 | flowtron | daedalus_ : well no |
| 23:57.57 | flowtron | daedalus_ : @windows problem |
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| 23:58.16 | Coag | god bless abiword for having autosave |
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| 23:58.31 | ratchet | anybody know when the fixed samba will be in Debian (fixed so it works with Windows Vista)? |
| 23:58.39 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, can you help me solve this problem? |
| 23:58.43 | flowtron | daedalus_ : The issue only has arisen since Shorewall has enabled us to tunnel the VPN IP's and NOT connect "normally" - just the "complicated way" |
| 23:58.51 | dondelelcaro | ratchet: have you filed a bug against the package yet? |
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| 23:59.29 | dolson | hey all. how safe is it to do a dist-upgrade with Sid right now? my Sid was upgraded shortly after X.org came out, when things started breaking a bit. is it real bad right now, or workable? |
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| 23:59.43 | jsan | my freinds i like ahelp , whem i try to configure my keyboasd , i need to white the simbol pipe but my keyboasr dont return pipe when i write? how i configure this??? |
| 23:59.49 | ratchet | dondelelcaro: it's already been fixed... |
| 23:59.51 | ratchet | http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/samba@lists.samba.org/1870516.html |
| 23:59.55 | dondelelcaro | dolson: it's sid; the safety if it is completely dependent on the packages that you've got installed. |
