| 00:00.06 | Routed | drac, I remake my .deb and give that a shot. Many thanks. |
| 00:00.45 | Coag | =is it the same as i did on gentoo cd /usr/src/linux; make menuconfig ? |
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| 00:01.28 | Azar | hello honorables, I have installed my Sarge with Webserver disabled now how can I make it back in? |
| 00:01.34 | jcole | wtf is /lib/modules/fs/mvfs.o? |
| 00:01.51 | green_earz | Routed: look at kernel compile howto here > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-kernel.en.html " 7.1.1 Debian standard method " |
| 00:01.58 | abrotman | !kp |
| 00:01.58 | dpkg | from memory, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 00:02.06 | jcole | nm, it was clearcase |
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| 00:02.25 | Azar | how can I activate webserver in Sarge? |
| 00:02.46 | piem | 'grep ^model\ name /proc/cpuinfo | grep K6' anyone ? :) |
| 00:02.51 | Azar | should I reeinstall? |
| 00:02.59 | piem | Azar: apt-get install apache2 ? |
| 00:03.09 | Routed | green_earz, thanks. Reading now. |
| 00:03.10 | gimbal | anyone know if there's a URL on a host under debian.org, where one might find a manual-page for apache-modconf? just trying to bookmark it |
| 00:03.14 | Azar | thank you piem, will that activate it? |
| 00:03.18 | jcole | Azar: with faith, hope, and pixie dust |
| 00:03.22 | piem | Azar: yes |
| 00:03.56 | Coag | !make-kpkg |
| 00:03.56 | dpkg | from memory, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html, or cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && fakeroot make-kpkg clean kernel_headers kernel_image && cd /usr/src && sudo dpkg ... |
| 00:04.05 | metaperl | how do I set the order of the kernels which are dispalyed to me upon booting? I use GRUB |
| 00:04.18 | daedalus_ | Coag: /msg the bot if you need a personal refresher |
| 00:04.23 | Coag | alright |
| 00:04.24 | piem | popey: they are fed with spinach too :) |
| 00:04.31 | popey | ahem |
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| 00:04.35 | popey | I think you mean popeye |
| 00:04.35 | popey | :P |
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| 00:04.59 | piem | popey: sure, the phonetic is close enough to me ;) |
| 00:05.00 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: make-kpkg =~ s#, or cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && fakeroot make-kpkg clean kernel_headers kernel_image && cd /usr/src && sudo dpkg# or ask me about <kp mantra># |
| 00:05.01 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 00:05.11 | popey | I pronounce it pop-eye |
| 00:05.21 | popey | where as popey is pope-ee |
| 00:05.25 | popey | nevermind :D |
| 00:05.29 | piem | as in pop idol ? :D |
| 00:05.30 | bucky | popeye only has one eye now.. so they call him popey |
| 00:05.35 | popey | :) |
| 00:05.59 | Azar | how can I restart my sshd? |
| 00:06.02 | bucky | popey... isn't that greek for daddy |
| 00:06.07 | dondelelcaro | and now his vitreous humor is leaking out upon the floor |
| 00:06.09 | piem | Azar: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
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| 00:06.14 | daedalus_ | Azar: /etc/init.d/ssh restart? |
| 00:06.22 | Azar | thank you daedalus, piem |
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| 00:07.27 | Azar | I get a strange message: Open BSD Secure Shell server: sshdOpenBSD Secure Shell server not in use (/etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run) ? |
| 00:07.46 | Coag | is there an alternative to make menuconfig? |
| 00:07.55 | subgv | When I startup my machine, the GRUB is acting funny, it scrolling lots of GRUB message, Any ideas on fixing this baby? |
| 00:07.59 | dondelelcaro | Coag: yes, oldconfig and xconfig |
| 00:08.02 | mtnman | azar: dpkg-reconfigure ssh and set it to run sshd |
| 00:08.03 | Azar | should I comment that line? |
| 00:08.07 | Azar | thanks |
| 00:08.08 | Azar | thanks |
| 00:08.16 | mtnman | you're welcome |
| 00:08.58 | daedalus_ | subgv: change it's diaper, feed it, burp it, and take it for a car ride till it falls asleep |
| 00:09.04 | cureless | so, kde3.4 going in... |
| 00:09.28 | abrotman | cureless: it was bound to happen sooner or later :) |
| 00:09.33 | subgv | daedalus_: hahah, nice one, but any clue on fixing this? |
| 00:09.52 | Coag | make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/mconf.o] Error 1 |
| 00:09.52 | Coag | make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 |
| 00:10.07 | abrotman | Coag: that's not the error ... |
| 00:10.07 | cureless | I just dist-upgraded earlier today, no problem, my labmate did it a little later and bam! kde broken in 34 pieces. |
| 00:10.18 | Coag | abrotman, oh sorry i see the error now |
| 00:10.30 | Coag | scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration |
| 00:10.30 | Coag | scripts/kconfig/lkc.h:63: error: previous declaration of 'current_menu' was here |
| 00:10.31 | gimbal | heh, this is funny. Apache is mentioned in documentation at microsoft.com : http://support.microsoft.com/?id=555092 ; next: "Replacing Windows with Linux ... ehhh ... IIS with Apache" |
| 00:10.32 | green_earz | Azar: bookmark the link its a very handy debian doc "Debian Reference" > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
| 00:10.51 | piem | cureless: ya know, unstable is not for meant desktop :] |
| 00:10.52 | daedalus_ | subgv: Well, aside from "my grub install is br0xor", I haven't seen anything that would give me an idea of what it's doing, or if there's even a problem |
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| 00:10.54 | abrotman | does gcc4 build the kernel ? |
| 00:11.08 | piem | abrotman: i heard so |
| 00:11.09 | cureless | piem: so you use it for your toaster? :-) |
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| 00:11.18 | daedalus_ | !tell subgv about smart questions |
| 00:11.18 | piem | cureless: yes, and my coffee machine |
| 00:11.30 | abrotman | piem: it sure isn't meant for server |
| 00:11.41 | gimbal | why the heck MSFT's AD would be talking HTTP is another thing |
| 00:11.49 | piem | abrotman: testing for desktop, yes. unstable no. |
| 00:12.03 | cureless | piem: I'd take unstable over testing any day. |
| 00:12.03 | piem | otherwise users complain about uninstallable packages... |
| 00:12.11 | gimbal | or just authing for http |
| 00:12.12 | sanmarcos | piem: can I remoev modutils package if I use 2.6? |
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| 00:12.22 | Agrajag- | in recent kernels, i remember an option to have the kernel 'save' it's .config which is retrievable - where do you find it? /proc somewhere? |
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| 00:12.23 | piem | cureless: at your own choice, no warranty :D |
| 00:12.27 | cureless | piem: some of us are not "normal" users. |
| 00:12.29 | gimbal | </ot> |
| 00:12.39 | abrotman | piem: in testing . the fixes have to pass through unstable first ... pick your poison |
| 00:12.43 | chops | piem: I use unstable for my desktop and it works quite well in general. For normal end users it's probably a bad choice. |
| 00:12.52 | omega_omega | Greetings, is there a central configuration program on the Debian system? |
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| 00:13.13 | omega_omega | If, what is the exec-name? |
| 00:13.14 | piem | abrotman: yes, but many bugs are only in unstable, and the uninstallable bit is a pain |
| 00:13.20 | mtnman | omega_omega: dpkg-reconfigure foopkg |
| 00:13.29 | piem | sanmarcos: try to apt-get remove it see how it goes |
| 00:13.33 | daedalus_ | Wow... first time I've sent the "!smart questions" tidbit to someone, and they actually went off and read it... Or at least I assume that's what he's doing, since he got awfully quiet. |
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| 00:13.49 | sanmarcos | piem: it has no rdepends that I have installed.. so.. ill remove it |
| 00:13.54 | abrotman | piem: it's up to you .. sometimes testing breaks far worse |
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| 00:14.20 | green_earz | omega_omega: bookmark the link its a very handy debian doc "Debian Reference" > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
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| 00:14.40 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 00:14.40 | dpkg | i heard refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 00:15.12 | cureless | piem: sometimes fixing unstable is easier than fixing testing. But, like you said, normal users should stick to something else. |
| 00:15.34 | piem | abrotman, cureless: nowadays, sarge is good enough as a desktop, and that's what i install... on my mum machine for instance |
| 00:15.42 | AlexanRO | having an issue with pinning, it is set to priority=600 |
| 00:15.43 | jcole | anyone here used plone before? it's in debian, but i don't think it's maintained or tested very well |
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| 00:16.08 | AlexanRO | but i get W: No priority (or zero) specified for pin |
| 00:16.14 | piem | abrotman: cureless: security support is very important too |
| 00:16.19 | hyperstream | so how come people dont have the latest kernel example: 2.6.11-2 or like 2.6.8-16 ? is there any reason? isnt the most recent the best? or are they sometimes buggy? |
| 00:16.26 | abrotman | piem: why are you preaching to us? |
| 00:16.32 | hyperstream | lik most people i know have 2.6.8-10 |
| 00:16.33 | cureless | piem: hence unstable better than testing. :-) |
| 00:16.40 | abrotman | piem: you just went from saying testing was better than unstable .. and then to use stable ... |
| 00:16.58 | piem | abrotman: /me preaching ?! |
| 00:17.03 | shingouz | hyperstream: why mess with something that works |
| 00:17.17 | hyperstream | dvb bug fixies for tv cards |
| 00:17.25 | hyperstream | im just wondering which would be best |
| 00:17.27 | chops | shingouz: Because if you do, it breaks, and you have to fix it, you might learn something. |
| 00:17.55 | shingouz | chops: i do not like to deliberately break my systems, i am strange that way |
| 00:18.43 | abrotman | chops: that's horrible logic .. i've never run unstable . i know how to fix things :) |
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| 00:20.25 | Squall | ellow |
| 00:20.30 | chops | shingouz: Suit yourself. :-) I really wasn't joking; I learned a lot from running a horribly broken system with lots of wierd stuff compiled by hand and poorly installed. Now that I've done that, I run Debian and things work much better, but I'm still glad that I did. |
| 00:20.31 | abrotman | elbow? |
| 00:20.33 | Squall | /etc/resolv.conf doesnt exist, i got dns`s added to /etc/network/interfaces, but it doesnt seem to work. what am i missing? |
| 00:20.44 | abrotman | shingouz: plonk? |
| 00:21.01 | abrotman | Squall: you're missing /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:21.04 | shingouz | chops: in case you want to know, i have currently four systems on sid and only one on sarge |
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| 00:21.14 | shingouz | abrotman: the thought has crossed my mind |
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| 00:21.55 | msch | hey there, where do you configure the prompt level for apt/dpkg for when you're installing packages |
| 00:21.55 | AlexanRO | problem solved ty |
| 00:21.58 | Squall | abrotman: so i just make it? |
| 00:22.17 | abrotman | Squall: vi /etc/resolv.conf ... put in your servers |
| 00:22.29 | abrotman | search hsd1.pa.comcast.net. |
| 00:22.29 | abrotman | nameserver 192.168.10.1 |
| 00:22.32 | abrotman | seee . like that |
| 00:22.42 | abrotman | though . someday i'll fix that search thing :) |
| 00:22.42 | liable | msch: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 00:24.14 | msch | liable: thanks |
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| 00:24.57 | shingouz | blinkidiot: if you are on irc as root, go away and change into a normal user |
| 00:26.14 | sanmarcos | hmm I am having warnigns about falining to check the signature of packages.. thats a debian problem right? |
| 00:26.46 | Azar | sarge 3.1 with kernel 2.6.8 here no more updates? been a month.... |
| 00:26.54 | abrotman | !apt secure |
| 00:26.54 | dpkg | methinks apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
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| 00:27.17 | sanmarcos | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:27.27 | shingouz | Azar: sarge gets mostly security updates, sarge is stable |
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| 00:28.04 | Azar | shingouz, I see... so no security updates lately.. |
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| 00:29.14 | piem | well yes actually |
| 00:29.52 | Azar | hmm could be that I setup my /etc/hosts.allow in ALL: PARANOID ? |
| 00:30.01 | Azar | I do not think so, I connect ok |
| 00:30.07 | piem | Azar: does apt-get update work ? so no |
| 00:30.12 | abrotman | Azar: there was one today |
| 00:30.13 | abrotman | or last night |
| 00:30.22 | hyperstream | how do i send a msg to all ssh terminals? |
| 00:30.24 | Azar | both apt-get and aptitude connect but I get 0 packages |
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| 00:30.45 | piem | Azar: apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 00:30.45 | abrotman | azar: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2005/threads.html |
| 00:30.56 | Azar | thanks abrotman, piem |
| 00:30.56 | hyperstream | is it possible? |
| 00:31.13 | abrotman | !suck bills |
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| 00:31.20 | Azar | all 0 |
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| 00:31.53 | blackcat | !suck pills |
| 00:32.00 | piem | Azar: what's the result of 'grep security /etc/apt/sources.list' ? |
| 00:32.16 | hyperstream | any idea's? |
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| 00:32.38 | hyperstream | or is there anyway to see what someones doing if they are logged in thru ssh? |
| 00:32.47 | hyperstream | like attach to there screen? |
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| 00:32.59 | piem | hyperstream: man wall |
| 00:33.23 | piem | hyperstream: man who |
| 00:33.43 | Azar | piem: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 00:34.12 | piem | hyperstream: and 'ps feuxa' too :) |
| 00:34.44 | piem | Azar: if the line does not start with a #, that looks good. |
| 00:35.00 | hyperstream | piem, so i have to write my message into a file first? |
| 00:35.04 | hyperstream | with wall that is |
| 00:35.27 | piem | or use 'echo hello | wall' |
| 00:35.48 | blackcat | msg off |
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| 00:35.54 | hyperstream | thanks man |
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| 00:37.23 | piem | Azar: what gives 'dpkg -l zlib1g | grep ^.i' ? |
| 00:38.10 | piem | sorry, 'COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l zlib1g | grep ^.i' even |
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| 00:39.17 | laserite | hi all! i've got a question about PAM, anyone willing to help?? thnx in advance |
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| 00:39.45 | piem | laserite: ask your question, then we could tell ;) |
| 00:39.55 | Azar | piem: ii zlib1g 1.2.2-4.sarge.2 compression library - runtime |
| 00:40.12 | TwistedEmotions | !tell laserite about ask |
| 00:40.32 | piem | Azar: good! so you have the security update. |
| 00:40.46 | sparr_ | I am having trouble getting TeamSpeak (voice chat software) to play nice with ALSA apps. I use dmix so my non-mixing sound card will let me play multiple ALSA audio streams together, but TeamSpeak uses oss. I THINK im emulating the oss stuff through ALSA, but when TeamSpeak is running i dont get sound from ALSA apps. Help? |
| 00:41.02 | piem | Azar: most likely, you don't have any packages that have had security in the past month |
| 00:41.12 | piem | security updates that is |
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| 00:41.24 | TheGnome | hello |
| 00:41.44 | TheGnome | how do i upgrade gnome in debian? |
| 00:41.55 | laserite | here it goes: i'm trying to set up non-shell users for vsftpd, vsftpd don't accept users with /bin/false as shell, I added /bin/false to /etc/shells, but it still doesn't work |
| 00:41.57 | laserite | any ideas? |
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| 00:42.13 | piem | laserite: use scponly |
| 00:42.15 | cuti | hey people. help please |
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| 00:42.17 | TwistedEmotions | TheGnome: try apt-get update.. then apt-get upgrade.. will upgrade everything... |
| 00:42.20 | cuti | configure: error: something went wrong when checking for procps, you're probably missing the necessary headers |
| 00:42.25 | laserite | i heard it's all about pam, since vsftpd is compiled with pam in debian |
| 00:42.27 | daedalus_ | !tell cuti about ask |
| 00:42.33 | TheGnome | TwistedEmotions, what are the sid repos? |
| 00:42.34 | cuti | i installed procps but it didnt work |
| 00:42.42 | TwistedEmotions | TheGnome: Is there some reason why you want to upgrade? |
| 00:42.52 | Azar | thank you piem :) |
| 00:42.58 | TheGnome | TwistedEmotions, yeah i like 2.10 |
| 00:43.01 | shingouz | cuti: help us help you. what are you trying to do there |
| 00:43.01 | piem | laserite: just set the shell of these users to scponly, that'll do |
| 00:43.01 | daedalus_ | cuti: install procps-dev? |
| 00:43.05 | Azar | I guess I do not get security updates for what I do not have, makes sense |
| 00:43.15 | TwistedEmotions | TheGnome: cna I /msg you? |
| 00:43.17 | TwistedEmotions | *can |
| 00:43.22 | piem | Azar: indeed :) |
| 00:43.23 | TheGnome | TwistedEmotions, of course |
| 00:43.29 | cuti | daedalus_, there's no procps-dev man |
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| 00:44.14 | daedalus_ | cuti: aight. Was a guess... |
| 00:44.31 | laserite | piem, scponly? is that a shell? i'll look for it, thnx! |
| 00:44.48 | piem | laserite: yes, and the package has the same name :) |
| 00:44.58 | laserite | piem, found! :) |
| 00:45.05 | daedalus_ | cuti: Uh, what are you configuring? Perhaps you need to give it a path to the procps headers? |
| 00:45.23 | cuti | daedalus_, i'm trying to install conky |
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| 00:48.13 | daedalus_ | cuti: since you are compiling things, this strikes me as inherantly a non-debian question...? |
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| 00:49.33 | laserite | piem, no luck, it won't allow me login with scponly as shell |
| 00:49.50 | tchmnkyz | hey all, was wondering if anyone had a link to doing a diskless install on a sparc system. |
| 00:50.03 | tchmnkyz | google has not turned up much as of yet |
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| 00:50.20 | nite613 | hmm, turns out it's not just the terminal. Can't run speaker-test and xmms at the same time even though xmms is set to "Alsa output plugin" |
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| 00:50.55 | dabar | !lessdisks |
| 00:50.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lessdisks is a debian package for creating diskless (x)terminals |
| 00:51.00 | dabar | :P |
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| 00:51.13 | tchmnkyz | oh nice |
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| 00:51.44 | piem | laserite: sorry i thought you wanted sftp, i.e scp, not ftp. |
| 00:51.48 | james_ | Does XF86Config-4 even care whare resolutions you put down? Seems it only cares about the verticle and horizontal refreshrates and assumes the resolutions from there |
| 00:51.51 | james_ | Whats up? |
| 00:52.17 | dabar | it does not care at all, a very careless one,. |
| 00:52.23 | dvs | james_: You can specify the resolutions in the XF86Config-4 file. |
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| 00:52.43 | james_ | dvs I did, but i can't choose those resolutions for some reason |
| 00:53.05 | daedalus_ | james_: you can't make it run at a higher res than the horiz and vert allow.. but you can make it run lower |
| 00:53.12 | james_ | dvs Under desktop preferences, screen resolution, they dont show up |
| 00:53.24 | laserite | piem, hmm ok |
| 00:53.27 | TwistedEmotions | What is the !tell command that tells people differences between stable/testing/unstable? |
| 00:53.30 | dabar | james_: did dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 00:53.37 | dabar | releases? |
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| 00:53.50 | james_ | dabar That wont help |
| 00:53.57 | TwistedEmotions | !tell TwistedEmotions about releases |
| 00:54.07 | james_ | dabar I must not have the horizontal, verticle refreshes spot on |
| 00:54.15 | TwistedEmotions | dabar: ;) Thanks. |
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| 00:55.00 | james_ | daedalus_ I know My monitor can handle at least 1280x900 (widescreen) but i cant select it |
| 00:55.14 | dabar | james_: I had done that before, allowing several resiolutions to be shown in dpkg-reconfigure, and it worked, but then again, I think that was on ubuntu, and in xorg. Tried? |
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| 00:55.31 | fken | hello |
| 00:55.40 | james_ | dabar I don |
| 00:55.53 | TwistedEmotions | dabar: no I meant as in... stable has security updates... unstable.. ur on your own... testing... good enough. |
| 00:55.55 | james_ | dabar I dont know whats going on here, but its a real pain in da ass |
| 00:56.19 | gimbal | is there a service of debian.org which would provide http-based access to manual pages of available debian packages? (still trying to track down an HTML form of a manpage for apache-modconf, but one that would be located at a reliable site for it) |
| 00:56.25 | fken | Can someone used to install nvidia driver under linux debian on amd64 help me ? |
| 00:56.30 | gimbal | form/format |
| 00:56.51 | sparr_ | is there any Free/free voice chat software that works in windows and linux and plays nice with ALSA dmix? |
| 00:57.07 | dabar | james_: great, good to know:p, but, try that, maybe it will work, it asks to put *s at some point in the resolutions you wants shown. |
| 00:57.22 | dabar | no harm really, back up the one you have now, thos, to not bork it... |
| 00:57.33 | TwistedEmotions | !tell TwistedEmotions about testing unstable stable |
| 00:57.35 | james_ | dabar, yeah, i did, and they are listed in the XF86Config-4 file, but they are not selectable |
| 00:57.45 | TwistedEmotions | Err.. that didnt work ;P |
| 00:57.49 | dabar | TwistedEmotions: msg the bot + factoids tells you where a list of all factoids can be found. |
| 00:58.19 | TwistedEmotions | dabar: cant find one that puts the factoids for unstable stable and testing together... |
| 00:58.29 | fken | whats the linux debian fr users channel ? |
| 00:58.30 | sparr_ | other than removing packages, is there any way to speed up the 'Reading database...' part of installing new packages? |
| 00:58.36 | dvs | 1fr |
| 00:58.38 | dvs | !fr |
| 00:58.39 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 00:58.45 | fken | whats its name i mean |
| 00:58.52 | fken | ok thanks |
| 00:58.55 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 00:58.59 | TwistedEmotions | #debian-fr |
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| 00:59.17 | dishfish | anybody there |
| 00:59.23 | shingouz | no |
| 00:59.26 | dvs | nope |
| 00:59.29 | dabar | TwistedEmotions: /msg dpkg factoids |
| 00:59.33 | TwistedEmotions | me neither |
| 00:59.35 | daedalus_ | TwistedEmotions: well.. the 'unstable' factoid points to most of the others... |
| 00:59.44 | dabar | TwistedEmotions: actually...:/ |
| 00:59.47 | daedalus_ | dishfish: no.... |
| 01:00.16 | dishfish | yeah, me too am sleeping almost been coding for like 73 hours in a row |
| 01:00.35 | james_ | dabar I just dpkg-reconfigured xserver-xfree86 and selected more resolutions, the changes did not even show up in the XF86Config file! |
| 01:01.00 | TwistedEmotions | dishfish: go get laid. |
| 01:01.01 | dabar | james_: sorry to hear that. |
| 01:01.09 | dabar | restarted x, off course...? |
| 01:01.26 | james_ | dabar the changes should show up without a restart |
| 01:01.31 | dabar | bah |
| 01:01.31 | james_ | dabar but, ill try i guess |
| 01:01.33 | dabar | ok, if you say so |
| 01:01.44 | daedalus_ | hahaha |
| 01:01.59 | dabar | just did it. |
| 01:02.02 | fken | mmmm nobody there... |
| 01:02.17 | fken | it seems like if everyone is sleeping in france |
| 01:02.29 | dishfish | Chix always are like "buy me this buy me that i like that dress there in the window" |
| 01:02.50 | TwistedEmotions | fken: lazy basterds... How dare they sleep. But anyways just ask here. |
| 01:02.53 | dishfish | ...in finland as well... |
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| 01:03.35 | piem | dishfish: fortunately we don't know the same Chix :P |
| 01:03.40 | dishfish | ...because this is not Assembly 365/24/7? |
| 01:03.54 | fken | ive three issues : first I want to reconfigure my screen display with dpkg |
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| 01:04.04 | TwistedEmotions | dishfish: Get new "chix" ... try finding a girl.. or a lady. |
| 01:04.23 | TwistedEmotions | fken: I got so many more issues then you do. |
| 01:04.24 | dabar | james? |
| 01:04.25 | james_ | Dabar, nope, the changes are not reflected at all |
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| 01:04.30 | dabar | hm...weird. |
| 01:04.31 | dishfish | I had a wife. aka I know what pain is. |
| 01:04.35 | james_ | dabar its like i never reconfigured |
| 01:04.35 | dabar | ok, well, I tried:) |
| 01:04.56 | james_ | Ok, is anyone here good with X? |
| 01:05.00 | dabar | a lady...haha, TwistedEmotions your nick says it all. |
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| 01:05.09 | james_ | Im having resolution problems bad... |
| 01:05.13 | TwistedEmotions | dabar: Your telling me.. |
| 01:05.15 | shingouz | !beer dabar |
| 01:05.26 | fken | I wanna have another resolution : 800x600 with a 19" |
| 01:05.30 | fken | ... |
| 01:05.30 | BourneAgain | What application can I run to do remote administration other then SSH? |
| 01:05.44 | dishfish | TwistedEmotions i have a few dates but the distance is 300 kilometres, and even if they don't ask me anything I wnat to have a good time. And clubbing consumes cash |
| 01:05.55 | BourneAgain | I would like Screen, Keyboard, and mouse control. |
| 01:06.01 | the13th | BourneAgain: >VNC |
| 01:06.04 | shingouz | BourneAgain: gui? |
| 01:06.07 | dabar | dishfish: we understand the monetary system. |
| 01:06.21 | the13th | anyone here got this g |
| 01:06.23 | BourneAgain | shingouz: Yes |
| 01:06.25 | shingouz | BourneAgain: if you really need the clicky things, use vnc |
| 01:06.26 | BourneAgain | THanks |
| 01:06.31 | the13th | anyone here got this damn lirc modules compiled? |
| 01:06.37 | BourneAgain | shingouz: I do. |
| 01:06.40 | BourneAgain | Installing now. |
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| 01:07.16 | BhaalWK | Is there a website which has the older debian packages still online? |
| 01:07.21 | TwistedEmotions | !tell fken about resolution |
| 01:07.29 | dishfish | anyone here from the debian-edu project by the way? (that's why am c0ding in the night like Thomas Anderson) |
| 01:07.33 | the13th | Bhaal> packages.debian.org ;) |
| 01:07.42 | james_ | !tell james about relolution |
| 01:07.53 | james_ | !tell james_ about resolution |
| 01:08.06 | shingouz | james_: /msg dpkg resolution |
| 01:08.23 | BhaalWK | the13th: Erm, older packages... I wanna get linux-kernel-headers back to 2.6.10 |
| 01:08.34 | BhaalWK | coz the 2.6.13 seems to have a bug or to... |
| 01:08.47 | BhaalWK | the13th: Im running unstable |
| 01:08.57 | the13th | hmmm - iirc theres a 2.6.10 in sid |
| 01:08.58 | TwistedEmotions | dishfish: go to a bar... drink... possibably get laid.. or not come home and #masturbate. |
| 01:09.00 | the13th | i |
| 01:09.10 | the13th | i'm currently using 2.6.11 |
| 01:09.41 | BhaalWK | the13th: dont matter, found the package on another machine's apt archive... |
| 01:09.45 | the13th | but back to my question: anyone here knows how to get this damn lirc-modules-source stuff compiled? made make oldconfig; make prepare etc. |
| 01:09.46 | tchmnkyz | could have told me lessdisks would not work for my sparc since i have a X86 server to use |
| 01:09.49 | dabar | james_: also, /msg dpkg resolution has the same effect, and does not show up on the channel. |
| 01:10.00 | dabar | tchmnkyz: I would have had I known... |
| 01:10.08 | james_ | dabar Is there a way to force a resolution change? |
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| 01:10.24 | dabar | dunno |
| 01:10.24 | tchmnkyz | well you saw i wanted to do it on my sparc could have asked if it was a x86 server |
| 01:10.27 | TwistedEmotions | james_: hit it with something heavy. |
| 01:10.38 | dishfish | i'd like to ask this queation that arouse in debconf 2005 - about merging buntu and Debian 100% cross compatible. TwistedEmotions, i'm trying to catch somewhere the lost cvs of the utnubu team. Ubuntu had some great school management software that i'd like to import... just if the repositories were compatible and stable it would be a lot easier than finding the crappy source behind the hell and back |
| 01:10.39 | james_ | TwistedEmotions I want too sometimes |
| 01:10.45 | dabar | I did not know it made a difference. |
| 01:10.52 | dabar | that ll teach you to ask on the #... |
| 01:11.17 | the13th | hmm ;) |
| 01:11.30 | the13th | dpkg doesnt answer on lirc-modules :( |
| 01:11.33 | dabar | dishfish: why dont you ask ubuntu then? |
| 01:11.44 | TwistedEmotions | dishfish: ;( dont know that one champ... all you. |
| 01:11.53 | dishfish | TwistedEmotions - a beer or three wouldn't be a bad idea afaik but it's already 3 am |
| 01:11.57 | dishfish | =D |
| 01:12.08 | TwistedEmotions | dishfish: where do you live? |
| 01:12.12 | the13th | dishfish: >you are from .de ? ;) |
| 01:12.25 | dishfish | Finland. i'm working from home btw... |
| 01:12.44 | the13th | hmmm - finland has the same timezone as germany? interresting ;) |
| 01:12.59 | the13th | so - i think nobody can help me with my lirc problem? |
| 01:13.04 | james_ | Does anyone know if it is possible to force a resolution? |
| 01:13.19 | TwistedEmotions | dishfish: well then... go to sleep. It's 3am man.. you have work in the morning. |
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| 01:13.29 | dishfish | 'm having a startup that does debian platforms for the SME+automatization here and education+SME+industry in East Africa |
| 01:13.33 | the13th | you can't force a resolution - you need to configure the xserver to support the resolution |
| 01:13.45 | james_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.55 | amphi | james_: xrandr perhaps |
| 01:13.56 | shingouz | dishfish: past four now.. |
| 01:14.02 | dishfish | ah |
| 01:14.05 | the13th | then reconfigure the package using dpkg-reconfigure for example |
| 01:14.14 | hyperstream | Package kernel-image-2.6.12-1-386-di where can i get 2.6.12-5-386 ? |
| 01:14.16 | james_ | the13th even dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doe not reflect changed in the XF86Config-4 file |
| 01:14.23 | james_ | changes* |
| 01:14.33 | dishfish | maybe i should go for morning jogging there might be nice looking girls by the university sports faculty =D |
| 01:14.56 | the13th | there was some other package that needs to be reconfigured |
| 01:14.57 | james_ | the13th but even so, the resolutions i want are listed in the configuration just not selectable |
| 01:15.05 | hyperstream | what does the di stand for on the end of the package? |
| 01:15.35 | the13th | then set the default resolution or just use alt+ctrl and +/- on the numfield |
| 01:15.59 | the13th | or is it called number-block? na - whatever |
| 01:16.09 | dvs | numeric keypad |
| 01:16.12 | james_ | the13th like i said, the resolutions, even though they are listed, they are not selectable |
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| 01:16.22 | the13th | thanks ;) its just too late for such stuff |
| 01:16.26 | james_ | the13th x sux |
| 01:16.28 | the13th | <- is just a stupid german |
| 01:16.41 | BourneAgain | Do I need to configure IP tables to allow VNC to connect? |
| 01:16.43 | the13th | james_: > hmm - i have no probs with x |
| 01:16.49 | hyperstream | Package kernel-image-2.6.12-1-386-di <--- whats di stand for ? |
| 01:17.01 | the13th | debian installer |
| 01:17.16 | james_ | the13th I cant even change my resolution too what i know is supported... |
| 01:17.47 | jmstacey | a little OT, but I'm trying to recover data from a hard drive that had debian on it. I only have a windows installation disk. Is there any way to get windows to be able to read the data for extraction without having to download a new iso set since I'm currently lacking the burner? |
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| 01:18.01 | ray_ | hello |
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| 01:18.04 | the13th | extfsexplorer |
| 01:18.35 | TheGnome | what should i have in my sources.list |
| 01:18.37 | TheGnome | ? |
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| 01:18.52 | Micro | Is kde broken in SID? |
| 01:19.17 | Gnea | Micro: apparantly so |
| 01:19.18 | shingouz | Micro: Sid, not SID. check the bugs |
| 01:19.23 | the13th | Micro: >not for me currently |
| 01:19.29 | Gnea | sid is extremely broken today |
| 01:19.31 | the13th | but i didn |
| 01:19.32 | TheGnome | !sources |
| 01:19.33 | dpkg | sources are to unstable.. |
| 01:19.40 | the13th | t download the libqt3 thingie |
| 01:19.40 | Micro | ok |
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| 01:20.13 | shingouz | TheGnome: apt-setup should write the sources.list for you |
| 01:20.16 | the13th | just having some strange behaviour with the genrtc module which doesnt want to load |
| 01:20.40 | TheGnome | shingouz, really |
| 01:20.44 | TheGnome | shingouz, cool |
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| 01:21.06 | the13th | oh - and the shitty lirc-modules still are giving me some headache |
| 01:21.06 | shingouz | TheGnome: be smart and to not make them point to unstable |
| 01:21.26 | Gnea | hrmmm |
| 01:21.28 | Gnea | linux-source-2.6.12 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.12 with Debian patches |
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| 01:21.31 | Gnea | so this is new |
| 01:21.41 | dvs | Gnea: yes and no |
| 01:21.49 | Gnea | dvs: is this a new standard? |
| 01:21.53 | dvs | Gnea: yes |
| 01:21.56 | Gnea | ah ok |
| 01:22.02 | Gnea | that explains why all hell is breaking loose then |
| 01:22.04 | Gnea | right on :) |
| 01:22.38 | TheGnome | shingouz, no i dont want unstable |
| 01:22.46 | TheGnome | shingouz, but testing |
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| 01:24.46 | ecliptik | what would cause apt-get update to segfault on sarge? |
| 01:24.59 | dishfish | /me is setting sanduhr |
| 01:25.15 | Micro | ecliptik: poking your ram with a screwdriver might do it |
| 01:25.15 | dishfish | see i'm tires |
| 01:25.16 | CyzarX | is it good if set cron to run apt-get update daily ? |
| 01:25.21 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: the typical case is a corrupted pkgcache or similar. |
| 01:25.29 | dvs | tires? |
| 01:25.29 | dvs | ;-) |
| 01:25.29 | dondelelcaro | CyzarX: it doesn't really do anything. |
| 01:25.41 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, any tips on how to fix it? |
| 01:25.45 | BourneAgain | Poke ram with screwdriver? |
| 01:25.47 | CyzarX | dondelelcaro, what do u mean it doesnt really do anything? |
| 01:25.56 | dabar | CyzarX: it updates you package list. |
| 01:26.02 | dishfish | see i'm already a bit banana in the head maybe i should get some sleep seriously |
| 01:26.02 | the13th | ecliptik: > stop doing stuff with scredrivers? ;) |
| 01:26.03 | Gnea | CyzarX: it's alright, usually i prefer to download-only then review things before diving in |
| 01:26.07 | dabar | does nothing to change the system, updates a file... |
| 01:26.07 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin; and try it again. |
| 01:26.15 | ecliptik | Micro, haha, good suggestion if it wasn't 2000+ miles away |
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| 01:26.24 | dabar | Gnea: update |
| 01:26.40 | matthew_ | hi - i use debian testing, but there's one package i want to grab from unstable. how to? |
| 01:26.46 | Gnea | dabar: 1 * * * * apt-get update && apt-get -d upgrade >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 01:26.56 | dondelelcaro | wholy geebus |
| 01:27.03 | Gnea | neat huh |
| 01:27.04 | Gnea | :) |
| 01:27.15 | CyzarX | gnea! nice! |
| 01:27.21 | dvs | Gnea: That's once an hour |
| 01:27.25 | the13th | matthew_: > change the sources-list, do a apt-get install package-of-your-choice and change back the source-list |
| 01:27.28 | dondelelcaro | yeah, 'cept it will do nada for the 23 times that it runs |
| 01:27.29 | Gnea | uhm |
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| 01:27.37 | matthew_ | the13th: that makes sense. |
| 01:27.39 | dabar | exactly. |
| 01:27.39 | the13th | uhm? sources.list even |
| 01:27.41 | shingouz | dishfish: over 70 hours of coding... yes, i think it would be a good idea to sleep |
| 01:27.41 | dabar | and more |
| 01:27.51 | TheGnome | how do i install gnome 2.10? |
| 01:28.13 | dabar | you are TheGnome, you dont need it. |
| 01:28.25 | dishfish | shingouz - i've microslept - i really really need something done or i'll have to close |
| 01:28.30 | the13th | TheGnome: > apt-get install it? |
| 01:28.34 | Gnea | 0 1 * * * apt-get update && apt-get -d upgrade >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 01:28.39 | Gnea | dvs: thanks |
| 01:28.44 | dvs | no prob |
| 01:28.47 | TheGnome | dabar, i have the new gnome sources....lol i just dont know the command |
| 01:28.49 | Gnea | CyzarX: try that one - 1am everyday |
| 01:28.49 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, even after that it didn't work too well |
| 01:29.07 | shingouz | dishfish: microsleep. bah. you need some macrosleep already |
| 01:29.11 | dabar | TheGnome: i like you version 2.8... |
| 01:29.17 | dabar | :p |
| 01:29.21 | CyzarX | gnea okay. but whY u need >/dev/null 2>&1 for? |
| 01:29.29 | karsten | Does resize2fs allow resizing of a currently mounted filesystem? |
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| 01:29.33 | Gnea | CyzarX: that just redirects all output |
| 01:29.34 | recall | Ok, I asked this in debian-kde, but I think they are sleeping. My downloads from Konqueror on the web show 100% progress throughout the download. I searched the bugs.kde.org, but found no mention of a problem like this. Ideas? |
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| 01:29.48 | recall | (and #kde is full) |
| 01:29.48 | dvs | CyzarX: Unless you want email everytime it runs. |
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| 01:30.01 | dishfish | shingouz this is like assembly - curtains stopping the natural light from coming in you don't really know what ime it is if you don't look at the clock |
| 01:30.03 | TheGnome | dabar, yeah but i want 2.10 |
| 01:30.08 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: so what is the error now? |
| 01:30.13 | Gnea | CyzarX: you could do anything with it really - if you want a full log of it, replace /dev/null with a filename |
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| 01:30.24 | TheGnome | brb |
| 01:30.28 | Gnea | CyzarX: then pipe it to mutt or something |
| 01:30.31 | shingouz | dishfish: so? sleep is still needed occasionally |
| 01:30.33 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, same deal, it hits some of the repositories then gets a Segmentation Fault |
| 01:30.45 | CyzarX | gnea, thanks for explanation! :) |
| 01:30.48 | dvs | Gnea: No need. The output goes to an email by default |
| 01:31.17 | Gnea | dvs: good point - but if it needed to get directed elsewhere, it'd be handy still |
| 01:31.20 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: oh, nuke that again, then rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*_*; |
| 01:31.27 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: and try it again. |
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| 01:31.50 | dondelelcaro | it's possible that one of the mirrors has a corrupted packages file or similar that is causing the parser to fail in interesting ways |
| 01:32.16 | dishfish | shingouz : please your customer, and keep on mind that as an engineer you are trained to sleep on (thanksgving maybe juhannus here) Christmas and New Year's day - Dilbert |
| 01:32.21 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, now it seg faults even quicker |
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| 01:32.29 | BourneAgain | Ok, now for a very dumb question. How do I add an item to the gnome menu? |
| 01:32.40 | CyzarX | gnea 2>&1 <== still dont understand this part :( |
| 01:32.49 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: ok, do you have anything in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/? if so, delete that too. |
| 01:32.49 | Squall | bye |
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| 01:32.51 | hyperstream | unstable (base): Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11-7 on 386 <--- this any good? or is it known to be buggy? perhaps 2.6.10 is better? |
| 01:32.57 | shingouz | dishfish: heh |
| 01:33.07 | ohad | hi, does anyone have experince with spamassassin working with amavis? |
| 01:33.10 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: then if it still segfaults, run strace -o tempfile apt-get update; and use the pasterbot to patse the stracae. |
| 01:33.13 | dondelelcaro | s/ts/st/ |
| 01:33.16 | TheGnome | anybody get fglrx drivers or ati drivers to work? |
| 01:33.22 | ohad | it doesn't seem so stright forward at all |
| 01:33.23 | ohad | :/ |
| 01:33.40 | Gnea | CyzarX: directs all the second-level error messages (that's how i see it anyway) back to the first level - stuff that usually doesn't get logged to standard output IOW gets taken care of and rolled in |
| 01:33.41 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, k, one sec, I don't know how to use the pasterot though |
| 01:33.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell ecliptik about paster |
| 01:34.16 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, can I just throw it up on a webpage? |
| 01:34.21 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: that's what it will do. |
| 01:34.41 | CyzarX | mmmm... still dont understand. but apprecaite your help |
| 01:34.49 | CyzarX | got to go work :( cu |
| 01:35.12 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, http://www.ecliptik.com/files/tempfile |
| 01:35.21 | BourneAgain | I see now. Duh :( |
| 01:35.40 | amphi | TheGnome: I have 3d accel working here with the xorg sarge backport radeon driver, on a Radeon Mobility 7500, FWIW |
| 01:36.04 | TheGnome | amphi, how did you get it to work? |
| 01:36.50 | paster | "ecliptik" at 66.91.252.102 pasted "Debian strace results for apt-get update segfaulting" (199 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/500 |
| 01:37.33 | amphi | TheGnome: AFAICS, all it takes is inserting the modules agpgart, intel_agp, drm, and radeon in that order |
| 01:37.46 | amphi | TheGnome: that's on my t42 |
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| 01:38.51 | shimano55 | Question, How can I download images from my Digital Camera through Debian? |
| 01:38.52 | TheGnome | amphi, ok.......no clue |
| 01:39.34 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, I'm going for a walk, if you have any more ideas please msg me, thanks |
| 01:39.34 | kofj | when I set my vo=XWindows (X11/XShm/Xv) , It doesn't work properly , I failed to make a movie play in fullscreen mode |
| 01:39.52 | FaithX | shimano55, with a usb cable probably |
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| 01:40.15 | the13th | shimano55: > mount it? |
| 01:40.27 | shingouz | shimano55: as usb-storage or gphoto |
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| 01:41.51 | shimano55 | Faithx, Ya |
| 01:41.58 | shimano55 | the13th, how? |
| 01:42.03 | shimano55 | shingouz, huh? |
| 01:42.14 | shingouz | !tell shimano55 about usb-storage |
| 01:42.15 | abrotman | shingouz: my debian accidentally installed suse |
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| 01:42.33 | shingouz | shimano55: apt-cache search gphoto2 |
| 01:42.50 | shingouz | abrotman: eeeeek.. remember to feed Geeko |
| 01:42.58 | amphi | kofj: what do you mean? |
| 01:43.02 | abrotman | shingouz: apt4rpm is baddd! |
| 01:43.03 | shingouz | abrotman: Geeko like bugs :p |
| 01:43.07 | oxey | quick question how do i make one of my home directorys link to another directory somewhere else on the system???? |
| 01:43.08 | dvs | !find gphoto2 sarge |
| 01:43.09 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'gphoto2' (4): gphoto2 ;; libgphoto2-2 ;; libgphoto2-2-dev ;; libgphoto2-port0. |
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| 01:44.16 | oigres | What happened to the openwebmail deb? Can't find it anywhere... Any idea? |
| 01:44.40 | abrotman | it doesn't exist |
| 01:44.54 | oigres | abrotman: What was the reason for that? |
| 01:45.16 | abrotman | !openwebmail |
| 01:45.16 | dpkg | [openwebmail] a webmail system based on the Neomail version 1.14 from Ernie_Miller. Open WebMail is designed to manage very large mail folder files in a memory efficient way. It also provides a range of features to help users migrate smoothly from Microsoft Outlook to Open WebMail. http://openwebmail.org/ |
| 01:45.25 | abrotman | oigres: no idea .. i use horde/imp |
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| 01:46.11 | litage | is there a way to connect multiple pages in a pdf into a single page? |
| 01:46.38 | shimano55 | shingouz, I listened to dpkg and ran 'modprobe usb-storage' and 'modprobe sd_mod', but my usb didn't appear as sda or sdb.... |
| 01:47.10 | oigres | abrotman: OK... I've installed openwebmail on a system with around 400 users.. It always went well... I'm testing horde/imp. apt-get install horde3 imp4 wen't OK... And now? I can't see any web page on http:/localhost/horde or horde3 ... |
| 01:47.12 | Sleeping | !nagging through a bot |
| 01:47.42 | Sleeping | hmm, I was scrolled up a few days ago |
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| 01:47.48 | abrotman | oigres: it just stopped working ? |
| 01:48.24 | FaithX | shimano55, you must see something in messages whey you plug the camera in... do you have the camera in the right mode? |
| 01:48.28 | oigres | abrotman: Glup! shouldn't be like that... Strange! |
| 01:48.28 | shingouz | shimano55: be smart and first do a small check on the gphoto2 website, maybe your camera is not usb storage |
| 01:48.42 | abrotman | oigres: what did you change ? |
| 01:49.10 | oigres | abrotman: I've changed nothing, just installed horde3 and imp4... I've got apache2 running fine. |
| 01:49.12 | FaithX | shimano55, does it have removable cards? |
| 01:49.33 | shimano55 | ok..hmm |
| 01:49.37 | dabar | the13th: that is unhealthy. |
| 01:49.43 | oigres | abrotman: I even purge horde3 and imp4 and reinstalled again. |
| 01:49.50 | the13th | dabar: > lirc-modules compiling is unhealthy |
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| 01:50.08 | shimano55 | shingouz, FaithX, I installed gphoto2, and ran gphoto --auto-detect....it showed my camera, but not sure howt o proceed to downloading the photos... |
| 01:50.30 | FaithX | shimano55, learn the software |
| 01:50.34 | abrotman | oigres: you changed something |
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| 01:51.16 | FaithX | shimano55, I still prefer to use a card reader. |
| 01:51.19 | foo | Hmm, I am in debian, fluxbox and xterm, and the text looks a little blurry. I know it's not the monitor or my eyes. I tried antialiasing, setting proper sync rates, setting device to CRT and LCD - no go. It's on my laptop. One thing while configuring some stuff was that I told defoma not to be used. Any ideas? Could that be the problem? |
| 01:51.37 | abrotman | !poke foo in the eye |
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| 01:51.47 | abrotman | foo: i'm sorry .. i had no idea he would use that! |
| 01:51.50 | abrotman | dpkg: you're evil |
| 01:51.54 | malverian_ | !seen robster |
| 01:51.54 | dpkg | robster <~rob@hades.evilgeniuses.org.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 211d 4h 28m 44s ago, saying: 'ah, right.'. |
| 01:51.58 | oigres | abrotman: Nop! Didn't edit a single bit! |
| 01:52.04 | the13th | lol |
| 01:52.12 | abrotman | oigres: maybe your apache config ? |
| 01:52.18 | malverian_ | Wow.. does he just not get on IRC anymore? |
| 01:52.40 | oigres | abrotman: That could certainly be since I can't find anything on it refering to horde at all. |
| 01:52.42 | malverian_ | Or does "robster" go by another name now? |
| 01:52.43 | abrotman | malverian_: or doesn't come here |
| 01:53.02 | abrotman | malverian_: /msg nickserv info robster |
| 01:53.41 | mwilson | foo: What is the native resolution of the laptop LCD, and what actual resolution are you running the laptop LCD at? |
| 01:53.46 | foo | shbrngdo: hmm, I am using 1280x1024 .. screen size is 1400x1050 I believe. |
| 01:53.49 | foo | mwilson: ^ |
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| 01:54.11 | mwilson | And you wonder why it looks blurry. <sigh> |
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| 01:54.21 | foo | mwilson: Is that why? |
| 01:54.36 | foo | mwilson: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 .. I did not see the 1400x1050 resolution |
| 01:54.43 | abrotman | foo: do you know how lcd screens work ? |
| 01:54.53 | amphi | foo: it's best to run a laptop panel at its native resolution, really, in my experience |
| 01:54.59 | foo | amphi: Got it. Hmm |
| 01:55.14 | oigres | abrotman: what exactly should I type on the browser in order to get to the local horde? |
| 01:55.15 | foo | So since my native resolution is a bit whack, do I need to manually edit XF86Config-4 file ? |
| 01:55.27 | foo | abrotman: I guess not |
| 01:55.50 | amphi | foo: this site may help: http://linux-laptop.net/ |
| 01:55.50 | abrotman | oigres: it's usually http://server/horde |
| 01:56.00 | foo | amphi: thanks |
| 01:56.05 | oigres | abrotman: that's what I thought.... |
| 01:56.16 | abrotman | oigres: check your documentroot |
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| 01:57.02 | oigres | abrotman: OK, thanks for the info. I'll check everything with more detail. The weired thing is that it should be installed immediatly. That's what I loved of openwebmail. Easy to use, easy to install .. Sniff, sniff ! |
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| 01:59.35 | cesar_ | can you guys help me out |
| 01:59.36 | cesar_ | im kind of a newb |
| 01:59.52 | mwilson | cesar_: Which isn't at all relevant. |
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| 02:00.01 | cesar_ | im using x right now |
| 02:00.08 | cesar_ | and my screen resolution wont go past 800x600 |
| 02:00.13 | cesar_ | i cant find any monitor configuration utility |
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| 02:00.23 | cesar_ | any ideas? |
| 02:00.37 | humbolto | does anybody run debian sarge on a sun enterprise 250?? |
| 02:00.45 | Hatter | hello - I have a debain sarge install, after removing the cdrom, on boot it probes hda and hdb taking quite awhile, it finds the the hard drive on hdc then probes hda a few more times... does somebody know how to stop this probing ? |
| 02:00.48 | abrotman | humbolto: ask your question |
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| 02:01.27 | Hatter | it proceeds to boot fine, but uses an entire screen with its probing, very ugly |
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| 02:01.40 | mwilson | Hatter: Who cares? |
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| 02:02.09 | amphi | Hatter: you only boot once ;) |
| 02:02.17 | cesar_ | please.. anyone? |
| 02:02.17 | Hatter | I care, because a screen full of errors on boot up is not ince |
| 02:02.47 | bucky | cesar_, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select higher resolutions and make the one you want the default |
| 02:02.48 | cappicard | good evening all :) |
| 02:02.49 | humbolto | is it stable? does a standard e250 have hardware raid? do you know about tape backups? |
| 02:02.55 | Hatter | the person who its going to will not understand and will be turning the off after each use |
| 02:03.00 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: still around ? |
| 02:03.06 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, wassup? |
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| 02:03.25 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: someone is msg'ing me to get unbanned |
| 02:03.33 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: have them /msg me instead. |
| 02:03.33 | bucky | Hatter, there's a way to turn that probing off... i forget how, have you googled? |
| 02:03.37 | amphi | cesar_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and only choose the resolution and colour depth you want, is one way, assuming yr card and monitor support them |
| 02:03.38 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: okeedokee |
| 02:03.52 | TheGnome | the ati drivers on there page worked great |
| 02:03.56 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he said bob2 banned him for pasting a limerick |
| 02:04.06 | mwilson | Hatter: <shrug. Guess you have some education ahead of you, then. |
| 02:04.10 | cesar_ | thats not working |
| 02:04.12 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: well, they can explain it to me... |
| 02:04.15 | cesar_ | it says dpkg-reconfigure not found |
| 02:04.17 | Hatter | bucky: yes the only thing I came up with was someone saying its normal behaviour, but its the first time i've seen it |
| 02:04.19 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: okeedokee |
| 02:04.32 | TheGnome | amphi, the drivers from ati's site worked for me |
| 02:04.34 | cesar_ | cesar@littlec:~$ dpkg-reconfigure |
| 02:04.34 | cesar_ | bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 02:04.38 | bucky | cesar_, su |
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| 02:04.59 | cesar_ | oh |
| 02:05.01 | cesar_ | ::embarrassed:: |
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| 02:05.18 | amphi | TheGnome: nassty closed driversssses ;) anyway, they provide none for my card |
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| 02:05.53 | lilldude | hey laible |
| 02:06.08 | abrotman | liable: come back .. i still love you! |
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| 02:06.28 | lilldude | great still loved |
| 02:06.39 | lilldude | my irc delated freenode server |
| 02:06.46 | abrotman | lilldude: i did that |
| 02:07.11 | lilldude | why abortman |
| 02:07.23 | humbolto | abrotman: I have a tape drive for my sund e250. I found out it is a 68pin scsi dds3 autoloader 77/144GB. Do you have any idea if it is supported under linux? I guess since it is an scsi device there is a standard set of commands the kernel uses to communicate with it anyway, so it is supported?! |
| 02:07.28 | abrotman | because you can't complete my nick :) |
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| 02:07.46 | lilldude | what |
| 02:07.51 | abrotman | humbolto: i'd almost guarantee yes |
| 02:08.09 | TheGnome | how do i mount a floppy |
| 02:08.19 | TheGnome | any way in gui |
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| 02:08.41 | abrotman | humbolto: there's a scsi tape driver .. try loading .. then use `dmesg` to see if it finds the device .. it usually ends up being /dev/st0 or /dev/nst0 |
| 02:08.42 | subgv | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.47 | abrotman | or st0n .. whichever it is |
| 02:08.52 | liable | abrotman: awww, thanks :P |
| 02:08.55 | the13th | subgv: > should be possible |
| 02:08.59 | mwilson | subgv: Of course. |
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| 02:09.53 | subgv | mwilson: After I restore a machine, the GRUB is fucked up, any ways I can fix this? |
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| 02:10.34 | jetx | damn, kernel gets updated kinda quick nowadays in sid |
| 02:10.34 | humbolto | abrotman: about the e250 itself. I had difficulties to install sarge on an ultra 10. will I run into similar problems with the e250 or is that a common platform for debian?? |
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| 02:10.56 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 02:10.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
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| 02:11.06 | abrotman | jetx: you're just getting slow in your old age |
| 02:11.11 | mwilson | subgv: I have no idea. I have zero use for grub. |
| 02:11.26 | saboteur | humbolto i had a spare e420r i put debian on, and the raid stuff was a nightmare |
| 02:11.34 | subgv | mwilson: what do you use? lilo |
| 02:11.38 | saboteur | i worked with neil brown to get it working though |
| 02:11.41 | lilldude | liable |
| 02:11.43 | lilldude | hey |
| 02:11.44 | mwilson | subgv: Of course. |
| 02:11.53 | saboteur | i think the latest mdadm has options to get it working under sparc platforms |
| 02:11.56 | saboteur | but apart from raid, it was fine |
| 02:12.18 | saboteur | in saying that i worked with neil brown, i meant i gave him a login to the box and he did all the work, haha |
| 02:12.21 | subgv | mwilson: I tried lilo as well, and it still fucked up my computer. The lilo stops. |
| 02:12.40 | subgv | mwilson: do I need to create a /boot/ partition? |
| 02:12.57 | De_Mon | I'm writing an regular expression for sed where I want to match [0-9] repated twice like 12 51 21 etc.. what goes after ] ? |
| 02:12.58 | TheGnome | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/source: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 02:12.59 | mwilson | subgv: Only if you want to. |
| 02:13.00 | TheGnome | ? |
| 02:13.36 | jetx | hey i have a question: last night i compiled and installed a kernel. however, i never rebooted, and now, doing a sid update, the stock kernel.. err linux-image is being updated. what will this do. which kernel will it boot when i reboot |
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| 02:13.54 | subgv | mwilson: know why it has problem with the debian install? |
| 02:13.54 | abrotman | jetx: check the bootloader |
| 02:14.03 | kofj | the result I run xvinfo :X-Video Extension version 2.2 |
| 02:14.09 | kofj | screen #0 |
| 02:14.09 | kofj | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.09 | kofj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:14.16 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 02:14.28 | kofj | ? |
| 02:14.38 | mwilson | subgv: Why YOU have a problem with the Debian install? No, no idea. |
| 02:14.38 | De_Mon | Ahh.... sed 's/[0-9]\{2\)//' works |
| 02:14.56 | De_Mon | is there any way to avoid escaping the { }? |
| 02:15.11 | humbolto | saboteur: hardware raid? |
| 02:15.17 | abrotman | De_Mon: why? |
| 02:15.19 | jetx | it failed to change the symlinks in / ... however i think that's a bug not a result |
| 02:15.24 | amphi | kofj: what x driver are you using? |
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| 02:15.33 | saboteur | humbolto: nope, the software raid |
| 02:15.47 | De_Mon | abrotman I didn't have to escape the [].. it looks prettier? |
| 02:15.47 | kofj | amphi, fglrx |
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| 02:15.55 | linuxpoet | Hello |
| 02:15.56 | linuxpoet | What is |
| 02:15.58 | abrotman | De_Mon: are you kidding ? |
| 02:16.00 | linuxpoet | statusoverride file |
| 02:16.01 | saboteur | the e420r just had a standard scsi card with two drives, so i wanted raid 1 |
| 02:16.07 | linuxpoet | where can I find it? to edit out a group? |
| 02:16.15 | De_Mon | abrotman :( why? |
| 02:16.22 | abrotman | you want to make it prettier ? |
| 02:16.24 | subgv | mwilson: what ghost version are u using? |
| 02:16.35 | De_Mon | abrotman why does [] not need escaping while {} does I dont understand. |
| 02:16.36 | abrotman | !tell subgv about u |
| 02:16.45 | De_Mon | prettier, more readable, easier to understand. yes i like those things |
| 02:16.54 | abrotman | De_Mon: maybe because bash/sed use {} for something ? |
| 02:16.56 | humbolto | saboteur: but if it can recognize the drives, which it certainly can, what was the problem? |
| 02:16.57 | kofj | amblin, I am using fglrx , ati 9000 mobility card |
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| 02:17.01 | Daffy-PKF | i have troubles installing debian on a dell optiplex GXi 5133L (pentium 133, 16Mb ram), tha cd is booting, kernel loading, and it starts creating the rootdir in the ramfs (i think so... according to what i read on the screen) and fails saying this: "__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed" 3 times |
| 02:17.07 | Daffy-PKF | can someone help? |
| 02:17.27 | mwilson | subgv: I don't know anyone who uses the nick 'u'. |
| 02:17.28 | abrotman | is there a general rule only the op that placed the ban can remove it ? |
| 02:17.35 | saboteur | humbolto: i was using the autodetect stuff, and the raid superblock was for a different endian (i'm not a programmer so i don't know the exact details) |
| 02:17.38 | zerox | hola |
| 02:17.44 | zerox | a todos |
| 02:17.54 | De_Mon | Oooh sed uses {} for additional commands. You are very wise, thanks! |
| 02:18.10 | humbolto | does anybody know about dds3 autoloaders in combination with amanda? |
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| 02:18.15 | TheGnome | how do i mount my floppy |
| 02:18.17 | saboteur | humbolto: this was quite a while ago, and i was using a 2.2 kernel that had been patched for raid |
| 02:18.28 | glick | df |
| 02:18.36 | abrotman | glick: happy now? :) |
| 02:18.44 | Malkie^ | TheGnome - mount /media/floppy |
| 02:18.44 | Malkie^ | usually works |
| 02:18.46 | glick | abrotman, no im not happy |
| 02:18.51 | glick | because of this |
| 02:18.53 | abrotman | why not? |
| 02:18.58 | humbolto | saboteur:I see, so there most likely will not be a problem if I use 2.6 sarge? |
| 02:19.05 | amphi | kofj: haven't tried that - -vo xv works here with the radeon X driver in both xfree86 and xorg |
| 02:19.09 | glick | this doesnt determine happiness in my life, its cool that i can chat again |
| 02:19.15 | saboteur | i don't think you will have any problems :) |
| 02:19.15 | glick | ill just leave it at that |
| 02:19.27 | jetx | mount /dev/fd0 should also |
| 02:19.33 | saboteur | which scsi host controller you have? |
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| 02:19.58 | cesar__ | hello |
| 02:20.05 | cesar__ | my resolution works :) |
| 02:20.14 | cesar__ | could i ask a couple of other questions |
| 02:20.20 | dondelelcaro | !tell cesar__ -about ask |
| 02:20.22 | amphi | cesar__: just ask |
| 02:20.23 | cesar__ | how do i make X not start right when the comp starts |
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| 02:20.36 | amphi | cesar__: apt-get remove xdm ;) |
| 02:20.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell cesar__ -about nodm |
| 02:21.29 | humbolto | one question left: how do I get this e250 to boot from the debian netinstall cd?? |
| 02:21.38 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:21.39 | dpkg | ig is probably for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
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| 02:21.51 | abrotman | guess we should change those urls |
| 02:21.52 | TheGnome | ok guys |
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| 02:22.00 | TheGnome | when i try and compile it says |
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| 02:22.17 | TheGnome | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.17 | ^Ocean^ | any way to make Xwindows Render in black and white ? |
| 02:22.23 | TheGnome | but i have that directory |
| 02:22.24 | Daffy-PKF | is there a way to activate a swap partition the installer can use? cause my error maybe means it doesn't have enough memory? |
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| 02:23.32 | cesar__ | ok here[s another one |
| 02:23.35 | cesar__ | i have a firewire hard drive |
| 02:23.41 | cesar__ | and i dont know how to access it |
| 02:23.50 | amphi | ^Ocean^: I don't recall whether 1 bit colour depth is an option |
| 02:23.53 | bob2 | and google knew nothing? |
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| 02:24.16 | ^Ocean^ | or is there a way to get the Nvidia drivers to render in black and white |
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| 02:24.36 | sparr_ | i want OSS apps to play nice with my ALSA apps using dmix. is this possible? |
| 02:25.12 | bob2 | use aoss |
| 02:25.14 | abrotman | ask #alsa ? |
| 02:25.28 | abrotman | bob2: i haven't seen you speak in here . in .. weeks :) |
| 02:25.29 | bob2 | cesar__: if you use gnome, it's simple |
| 02:25.57 | cesar__ | i think i use gnome |
| 02:26.01 | cesar__ | everythign says gnome |
| 02:26.02 | abrotman | you think? |
| 02:26.04 | cesar__ | what do i do exactly |
| 02:26.10 | cesar__ | sorry i'm new |
| 02:26.10 | glick | ^Ocean^, yeah |
| 02:26.11 | bob2 | abrotman: out trying to earn some bread |
| 02:26.11 | Agrajag- | ok.. so alsa-utils: Conflicts: udev (< 0.060) but 0.056-3 is to be installed <-- how'd this situation arise in testing? i thought alsa-utils wouldn't have entered testing until udev 0.060 did? |
| 02:26.23 | abrotman | bob2: oh .. good plan .. get some rice too! |
| 02:26.27 | ^Ocean^ | glick: wanna point me in the right D.I.R |
| 02:26.29 | ^Ocean^ | er dir |
| 02:26.31 | ^Ocean^ | direction |
| 02:26.38 | bob2 | I don't believe testing guarantees installability of things |
| 02:26.52 | Gumby | can anyone tell me what init is used in debian for a non X startup? |
| 02:26.53 | bob2 | sendmail isn't installable if you have exim4 installed, for instance |
| 02:26.55 | glick | ^Ocean^, yeah the nvidia readme text has a bunch of options listed one of them does it |
| 02:26.58 | Agrajag- | hmm but i thought there was limits to what could enter |
| 02:27.00 | glick | in the linux install readme text |
| 02:27.01 | bob2 | Gumby: whatever one you setup |
| 02:27.05 | bob2 | Gumby: by default they are the same |
| 02:27.06 | Agrajag- | according to what it requires and such |
| 02:27.23 | bob2 | Agrajag-: yes, but rules like that would make it impossible to have sendmail and exim in testing together |
| 02:27.30 | Agrajag- | ok, fair enough |
| 02:27.31 | Gumby | bob2: strange, init 2 is X for me by default. I've never seen that anywhere other than debian |
| 02:27.52 | bob2 | Gumby: yes, they are all the same in Debian (2-5) |
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| 02:29.22 | subgv | Is it possible to check what files are in /dev/hda? not /dev/hda0 |
| 02:29.46 | abrotman | subgv: /dev/hda won't have files |
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| 02:29.57 | subgv | abrotman: but it can store MBA |
| 02:29.58 | abrotman | subgv: it will have partitions |
| 02:30.03 | abrotman | mbr ? |
| 02:30.09 | subgv | yep |
| 02:30.10 | dondelelcaro | well, you can technically have files in /dev/hda... |
| 02:30.12 | humbolto | does anybody know if amanda can make use of a tape drives autoloader function? |
| 02:30.19 | dondelelcaro | but it would be kind of wierd |
| 02:30.29 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yes .. i realize that .. but typically ... |
| 02:30.44 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: and i was trying not confuse the situation :) |
| 02:30.54 | abrotman | !amanda |
| 02:30.54 | dpkg | from memory, amanda is Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver (a backup system) http://www.amanda.org/ |
| 02:30.56 | subgv | dondelelcaro: you missed the lnx-picnix |
| 02:31.02 | abrotman | humbolto: the docs might say |
| 02:31.08 | dondelelcaro | subgv: yerp, I was at a party in golden gate park |
| 02:31.33 | subgv | nice |
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| 02:32.54 | humbolto | abrotman: no, unfortunately I can't find anything in there. |
| 02:33.08 | ^Ocean^ | glick: Cant find anything in the readm |
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| 02:33.27 | humbolto | abrotman: no, actually I fond something now |
| 02:33.51 | sanmarcos | I dont get dpkgs message on no more non-us.. so the repo is gone, that means we wont see all its packages anymore? |
| 02:33.56 | sanmarcos | 2001 ? |
| 02:33.59 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: yes. |
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| 02:34.11 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: there weren't any really useful packages there anymore anyway. |
| 02:34.12 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: yes what? so no more non us packages? |
| 02:34.27 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: exactly; that's the whole point of the crypto in main factoid. |
| 02:34.35 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: ok, but the dpkg factoid is kind of confusing |
| 02:34.42 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 02:34.49 | mwilson | sanmarcos: You don't know what non-us was actually for, do you? |
| 02:34.52 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: that whole repository only ever existed because of the BXE export restrictions in the united states. |
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| 02:35.17 | abrotman | cause we suck ... |
| 02:35.27 | sanmarcos | mwilson: I am guessing it hosted software protected by US stupid patents on a server outside the US? |
| 02:35.45 | sanmarcos | or whas it kept countries from getting that software.. |
| 02:35.59 | sanmarcos | s/whas/was |
| 02:36.15 | ohad | hi, i have downloaded squirrelmail and i'd like to add those plugins - any ideas what file enables those applications that reside in the plugins dir |
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| 02:38.33 | poli | Hello all, I am trying to mount a jffs2 file as loop back. I know that I need the blkmtd module and not the jffs2 (which only works with the MTD itself) but a mount -t jffs2 -o loop /tmp/file.jffs2 /mnt/tmp isn't working. Does anyone know the right way to do that? |
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| 02:38.48 | bitshifty | hello |
| 02:39.02 | foo | Ok, I'm in debian + fluxbox + clean. The in my xterm window is not one solid color or what not ... it appears that there is different shades of white/grey, so it appears to be a little bit blury because of this. How can I turn this off? Make sense? |
| 02:39.48 | mwilson | foo: We've told you once, run the LCD at its native resolution or things will look blurry. |
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| 02:40.30 | foo | mwilson: hmm, ok. How do I find the native resolution? http://home.datacomm.ch/tschoepfer/suse73_on_dell_latitude_610.html - here it says its Modes "1400x1050" ... so I assume that is what it should be, eh? |
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| 02:41.17 | bitshifty | is there a floppy disc file i could download which boots to a basic linux shell and has commands such as format? |
| 02:41.25 | cesar_ | how do i look at my external hard drive thru gnome? |
| 02:41.27 | bitshifty | i would like to format my two harddrives |
| 02:41.34 | cesar_ | or thru the console |
| 02:41.35 | cesar_ | heelp |
| 02:41.53 | subgv | I got "Kernel panic:" said "/sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file" any clue? |
| 02:42.05 | sparr_ | Does anyone here have working ALSA+OSS dmix settings for nforce2 audio? |
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| 02:42.32 | amphi | foo: you may see the native res in the kernel boot messages - I get "radeonfb: panel ID string: 1024x768" & "radeonfb: detected LVDS panel size from BIOS: 1024x768" here |
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| 02:42.51 | foo | amphi: hmm, ok, I will reboot and watch for that. thanks |
| 02:42.56 | abrotman | foo: dmesg |
| 02:43.01 | foo | ah |
| 02:43.05 | foo | ok, I will do that when it comes back up |
| 02:43.09 | amphi | foo: just have a look at /var/log/dmesg |
| 02:43.13 | foo | ah, ok |
| 02:43.20 | sanmarcos | do I need agpgart to run my nvidia AGP card? |
| 02:43.39 | c_olin | I'm trying to compile Hydrogen (a drum machine) and it searches for QT4 libs... does apt-get have QT4 dev libs? All I see is QT3 |
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| 02:44.26 | dbernar1 | my interfaces were not configured properly, and now I have Internet connection sharing again. |
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| 02:44.35 | abrotman | c_olin: apt-cache search libqt dev |
| 02:44.56 | bitshifty | question above ^^ |
| 02:45.09 | c_olin | abrotman: yes, but they are all "libqt3-dev" |
| 02:45.13 | foo | amphi: Anything I should grep? |
| 02:45.15 | c_olin | QT3.. I need QT4 |
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| 02:45.25 | poli | Anyone knows the right options to load blkmtd.ko with? |
| 02:45.37 | cesar_ | please.. someone help |
| 02:45.44 | foo | cesar_: patience |
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| 02:45.53 | abrotman | c_olin: i don't know that qt4 is in debian at all |
| 02:45.59 | cesar_ | all i need is to access an external drive... |
| 02:45.59 | abrotman | !find libqt sid |
| 02:46.01 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libqt' (15 of 28): libqt-perl ;; libqt0-ruby1.8 ;; libqt3 ;; libqt3-compat-headers ;; libqt3-dev ;; libqt3-headers ;; libqt3-i18n ;; libqt3-java ;; libqt3-jni ;; libqt3-mt ;; libqt3-mt-dev ;; libqt3-mt-mysql ;; libqt3-mt-odbc ;; libqt3-mt-psql ;; libqt3-mt-sqlite. |
| 02:46.08 | amphi | foo: '1400' ? ;) there's not much, just dmesg | less |
| 02:46.12 | shimano55 | Question, Can someone gimma hand with DigiKam? |
| 02:46.16 | shimano55 | having some probs |
| 02:46.20 | abrotman | c_olin: isn't qt4 still beta? |
| 02:46.59 | astronut | is it normal for xorg to be sucking 500 megs of memory? |
| 02:47.09 | c_olin | abrotman: It might be |
| 02:47.09 | astronut | 124 physical, 437 virtual |
| 02:47.11 | jetscreamer | no xorg needs 2gigs |
| 02:47.20 | shimano55 | The program |
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| 02:47.23 | liable | heh |
| 02:47.39 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.42 | astronut | i HATE nv |
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| 02:47.50 | cesar_ | how do i know what linux kernel version i hae |
| 02:47.51 | cesar_ | have |
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| 02:47.54 | amphi | astronut: 17 res here |
| 02:48.02 | astronut | :-( |
| 02:48.03 | c_olin | cesar_: uname -a |
| 02:48.04 | liable | cesar_: uname -r |
| 02:48.04 | foo | Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 |
| 02:48.06 | amphi | cesar_: uname -r |
| 02:48.08 | astronut | cesar_: uname -a |
| 02:48.13 | cesar_ | :/ |
| 02:48.13 | foo | amphi: That is the only thing I get. . I don't really see anything else... ahh |
| 02:48.16 | amphi | foo: heh |
| 02:48.21 | jetscreamer | -r for just the kernel |
| 02:48.23 | foo | amphi: I know it's not that, thogh |
| 02:48.52 | cesar_ | how do i upgrade my kernel, it wont let me run "hald" |
| 02:49.02 | cesar_ | i think i need that program |
| 02:49.18 | foo | amphi: Any more ideas? |
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| 02:50.07 | amphi | foo: well, you should know the res, really - 1400x1050 sounds quite reasonable; perhaps the bios tells you? |
| 02:50.17 | foo | amphi: Will check |
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| 02:50.48 | shimano55 | guess not... |
| 02:51.18 | liable | not what? |
| 02:51.38 | shimano55 | not anyone can help me with DigiKam... |
| 02:52.00 | liable | does it show up in dmesg when plugged in? |
| 02:52.09 | nvz | I'll have to remember next time if I want something fast not to order it ground shipped from Arizona when I am in Pennsylvania :P |
| 02:52.19 | foo | amphi: nope |
| 02:53.21 | shimano55 | liable, In a nutshell, it says that its not claimed by a driver |
| 02:53.26 | nvz | even worse I ordered it on a weekend. so it didnt even get shipped until monday |
| 02:53.37 | shimano55 | liable, gives my an address |
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| 02:54.16 | shimano55 | liable, any ideas, lol |
| 02:54.17 | shimano55 | ? |
| 02:54.22 | liable | shimano55: is it supported with gphoto2? |
| 02:54.28 | shimano55 | liable, ye; |
| 02:54.31 | shimano55 | yep* |
| 02:54.46 | liable | can you scan for it? |
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| 02:55.24 | d0ugie | Hey, what's a good channel for general web questions (like selling ad space)? Or maybe i should go to efnet? |
| 02:55.38 | shimano55 | liable, gphoto2 --auto-detect says that its there |
| 02:55.58 | shimano55 | but when I do gphoto2 --summary, it says it can't claim it or something |
| 02:56.30 | liable | shimano55: oh, I dont know anything about gphoto2, google the error I spose.. |
| 02:57.08 | liable | thats right.. |
| 02:57.12 | liable | oops |
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| 02:57.39 | TheGnome | i cant seem to get sound working |
| 02:57.46 | shimano55 | liable, well, I also go DigiKam |
| 02:57.51 | shimano55 | do you know bout that? |
| 02:57.53 | cesar_ | how do i access an external hard drive |
| 02:58.04 | nvz | cesar_: man mount |
| 02:58.11 | liable | shimano55: nope :( |
| 02:58.15 | cddesjar | could someone tell me why when i try to remove kdetoys, aptitude and apt-get tell me that they are going to remove KDE as well...which i definitely don't want. how can i just remove kdetoys? |
| 02:58.19 | cesar_ | man i tried that |
| 02:58.19 | ^Ocean^ | or is there a way to get the Nvidia drivers or Xfree86 to render in black and white |
| 02:58.19 | shimano55 | lol |
| 02:58.21 | cesar_ | and it didnt work |
| 02:58.24 | shimano55 | ok |
| 02:58.27 | foo | mwilson: So you understand my problem .. and how the font colors aren't solid white on black, but rather different shades of white, and you are sure that that is because of the resolution - correct? |
| 02:58.27 | TheGnome | anybody have itel onboard sound? |
| 02:58.31 | liable | shimano55: I can mount mine as mass storage, so... |
| 02:58.36 | nvz | !Didn't Work |
| 02:58.36 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 02:58.51 | liable | TheGnome: whats the problem |
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| 02:59.11 | cesar_ | i have an external hard drive, and i connected it to my computer |
| 02:59.14 | d0ugie | hey is google earth available for debian linux yet? |
| 02:59.14 | TheGnome | liable, no sound] |
| 02:59.19 | shimano55 | liable, I tried to do that too, but when I loaded the 2 modules, the cam didn't appear as sda or sdb :( |
| 02:59.20 | cesar_ | i would like to look at and possibly use its contents |
| 02:59.27 | liable | TheGnome: what kernel? |
| 02:59.41 | amphi | TheGnome: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) here |
| 02:59.46 | nvz | cesar_: be more specific. interface, filesystem, problems with mounting it ... |
| 02:59.50 | liable | shimano55: yeah, some you have to use gphoto2 with, obviously yours is one of em.. |
| 02:59.54 | TheGnome | liable, 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 02:59.59 | cesar_ | nothing, i dont know what to do! |
| 03:00.03 | cesar_ | i am new |
| 03:00.07 | liable | TheGnome: you have alsa-base installed? |
| 03:00.07 | shimano55 | Question, Can anyone help me out with GPhoto2? I run 'gphoto2 --auto-detect', and it shows my cam as usb:' |
| 03:00.07 | TheGnome | amphi, yeah .... thats my card |
| 03:00.08 | cesar_ | how do i open the hard drive and look at whats inside |
| 03:00.10 | humbolto | what is the difference between dds-2 dds-3 dds-4? |
| 03:00.15 | cddesjar | anyone know how i can tell apt-get to just remove kdetoys and not kde as well? |
| 03:00.15 | nvz | cesar_: you mount it |
| 03:00.24 | cesar_ | how do i do that |
| 03:00.30 | liable | cddesjar: kde is just a meta package.. |
| 03:00.32 | humbolto | why are there dds-2 tapes in my dds-3 tape drive? |
| 03:00.34 | TheGnome | liable, yup |
| 03:00.35 | nvz | cesar_: first you have to know what interface and filesystem |
| 03:00.42 | amphi | TheGnome: snd_intel8x0 is loaded? |
| 03:00.43 | liable | TheGnome: the modules loaded? |
| 03:00.47 | humbolto | what is dc4 120? |
| 03:00.51 | shimano55 | Question, Can anyone help me out with GPhoto2? I run 'gphoto2 --auto-detect', and it shows my cam as usb:. Then I run gphoto2 --summary, and it has an error where it can't claim the usb port or something. Help plz! |
| 03:00.52 | cesar_ | firewire interface, and im not sure what system it is, but it works with both my pc and mac |
| 03:00.53 | TheGnome | amphi, how do i load it? |
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| 03:00.58 | hyperstream | nl |
| 03:01.01 | cddesjar | liable: what does that mean? |
| 03:01.02 | TheGnome | amphi, thats what i need to do |
| 03:01.08 | amphi | TheGnome: lsmod to see if it's loaded already |
| 03:01.29 | nvz | cesar_: then its probably vfat, I never used firewire before but its probably similar to USB |
| 03:01.38 | TheGnome | amphi, no it is not |
| 03:01.41 | cesar_ | then, what should i type |
| 03:01.44 | liable | cddesjar: its just a package that basically pulls in a whole lot of other packages, it doesnt actually do anything. |
| 03:01.49 | nvz | cesar_: have you loaded firewire and mass_storage drivers? |
| 03:01.59 | cesar_ | i thought linux would automatically mount it |
| 03:02.03 | nvz | heh |
| 03:02.09 | cddesjar | liable: so if i remove kdetoys and it says its going to remove kde, it's not actually going to remove kde is what your saying? |
| 03:02.11 | cesar_ | i dont know what that means.. |
| 03:02.20 | cesar_ | usb seems to work, my mouse is working |
| 03:02.29 | nvz | !pal cesar_ |
| 03:02.39 | liable | cddesjar: it will remove kde the metapackage, not kde the desktop environment.. |
| 03:02.40 | cesar_ | yeah i expected this to happen |
| 03:02.54 | nvz | someone who knows more than me help cesar_ get his external firewire hd to work |
| 03:02.59 | hyperstream | hello yes ive just apt-get kernel-image verion 2.6.11-1 from 2.6.8-2 and not i cant seem to get ndiswrapper going for my wireless usb adapter, i noticed i installed the ndiswrapper from apt-get (source + 2.6.8 modules) i cannot find any modules for 2.6.11, how would i go about this? just download the source from debian and ./configure make make install? |
| 03:03.06 | amphi | TheGnome: modprobe snd_intel8x0, or see if alsaconf will do it for you |
| 03:03.14 | nvz | I've only used USB devices and he's too clueless to help me understand firewire |
| 03:03.16 | shimano55 | .... |
| 03:03.39 | cddesjar | liable: ok...so just to verify...i am going to remove kdetoys, which is going to remove kde, the meta-package, not kde the environment? i just want to be 100% sure...so i dont' f up my computer |
| 03:03.39 | cesar_ | it really isnt that hard |
| 03:03.48 | cesar_ | i plug in the hard drive and i can immediately see it under windows and mac |
| 03:03.59 | cesar_ | you'd think this system would have something user-friendly |
| 03:04.08 | nvz | cddesjar: "kde" is a meta-package |
| 03:04.08 | liable | cddesjar: yes |
| 03:04.13 | nvz | !depends kde |
| 03:04.16 | dpkg | kde: depends on kde-core, kde-amusements, kdeaddons, kdeadmin, kdeartwork, kdegraphics, kdemultimedia, kdenetwork, kdepim, kdeutils, kdewebdev |
| 03:04.28 | nvz | cddesjar: purpose is to pull in the preceeding : ^ |
| 03:04.41 | TheGnome | amphi, FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 not found. |
| 03:04.41 | TheGnome | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_intel8x0 |
| 03:04.41 | nvz | cddesjar: which are also all meta-packages |
| 03:04.53 | subgv | What is the lastest netboot? |
| 03:04.53 | amphi | TheGnome: ah |
| 03:04.55 | cesar_ | meanwhile i did what people told me to do to disable automatic startup of X and it didnt work |
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| 03:05.12 | TheGnome | amphi, i know i have that card |
| 03:05.23 | amphi | TheGnome: what are you running there? sarge? |
| 03:05.42 | nvz | cddesjar: meta-packages are what make large distributions of software easily installable. they serve no purpose other than that. they can be safely removed without affecting anything |
| 03:05.43 | TheGnome | amphi, yeah......but i changed the sources to testing and upgraded |
| 03:05.44 | foo | amphi: Any more ideas? |
| 03:05.50 | cesar_ | im going back to windows, peace out |
| 03:06.07 | liable | good |
| 03:06.14 | nvz | damn windows refugees |
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| 03:06.20 | TheGnome | lol |
| 03:06.35 | DjKritical | My debian clock is wrong... can I change it without changing the bois? |
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| 03:06.40 | trend | hello |
| 03:06.52 | trend | ./dev/hdc would be the master on the ide2 channel, right? |
| 03:06.58 | nvz | cplay even |
| 03:07.03 | amphi | DjKritical: install ntpdate |
| 03:07.04 | liable | trend: yep |
| 03:07.05 | animall | trend yep |
| 03:07.06 | TheGnome | amphi, to get sound on ubuntu i had to compile the latest version of alsa......but it wont compile on deb |
| 03:07.10 | trend | :) thanks! |
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| 03:07.38 | nvz | it don't really matter to me baby, you can believe what you want to believe.. don't have to live like a refugee. |
| 03:08.15 | amphi | TheGnome: dunno about testing - sarge's install kernel had all the modules req'd, worked 'right outta the box' |
| 03:08.52 | TheGnome | amphi, yeah but i had to use the 2.6 kernel to get my sata hd to work |
| 03:08.54 | nvz | Computers don't have fences or walls, so who needs Gates and Windows(tm)? |
| 03:08.56 | lilldude | hello trend |
| 03:09.07 | trend | hello |
| 03:09.18 | TheGnome | amphi, and the 686 to see all of my ram |
| 03:09.18 | amphi | TheGnome: I installed sarge with 2.6, running vanilla 2.6.11 ATM |
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| 03:09.59 | amphi | TheGnome: how much ram you have there? |
| 03:10.07 | TheGnome | amphi, 2 gigs |
| 03:10.12 | SDFH_Linux | anyone using linux_logo during startup? |
| 03:10.13 | Elblues | :O |
| 03:10.43 | amphi | TheGnome: nice |
| 03:10.50 | TheGnome | amphi, damit i dont want to go back to ubuntu |
| 03:11.07 | TheGnome | maybe try the 2.6.11 kernel |
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| 03:11.08 | Elblues | 2 gigs? here in argentina we have to give both eyes and an arm for 2 gigs |
| 03:11.29 | TheGnome | hey i worked my ass off for 2 gigs |
| 03:11.31 | TheGnome | lol |
| 03:11.38 | amphi | TheGnome: if the testing kernel doesn't include the req'd modules, which I find a little surprising, just build yr own |
| 03:11.52 | Elblues | yeah, i should literaly work my ass for 2 gigs |
| 03:11.58 | TheGnome | amphi, yeah but i have no clue how to do that |
| 03:12.13 | amphi | TheGnome: it worked fine here with sarge's 2.6.8-whatever it is |
| 03:12.38 | TheGnome | amphi, teach me how to build my own kernel! |
| 03:12.45 | amphi | TheGnome: no ;) |
| 03:12.56 | TheGnome | amphi, awwwww please |
| 03:13.09 | TheGnome | amphi, got any good links on the subject |
| 03:13.19 | humbolto | Is a tape drive ergo the kernel aware of the type of media in the drive? DDS-2 media seems to be shorter than dds-3. So I guess I would not have the same capacity?! |
| 03:13.21 | Elblues | www.justfuckinggoogleit.com :P byes |
| 03:13.21 | hyperstream | any idea's ? |
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| 03:13.41 | nvz | dpkg, any ideas? |
| 03:13.41 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of starving kittens. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 03:13.43 | SDFH_Linux | anyone using linux_logo during startup? |
| 03:13.46 | hyperstream | hello yes ive just apt-get kernel-image verion 2.6.11-1 from 2.6.8-2 and not i cant seem to get ndiswrapper going for my wireless usb adapter, i noticed i installed the ndiswrapper from apt-get (source + 2.6.8 modules) i cannot find any modules for 2.6.11, how would i go about this? just download the source from debian and ./configure make make install? |
| 03:14.05 | amphi | TheGnome: get src, make menuconfig, read all the help for the various options, etc. and use kernel-package |
| 03:14.33 | scud | in the initial installation of debian and setting up software raid5, completelying recognizing my drives and setting it up correctly for it to say i have set it up correftly. |
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| 03:14.50 | amphi | TheGnome: and don't be surprised if it takes you a few tries to get a kernel + modules that work properly ;) |
| 03:14.52 | scud | i have 3 drives for raid5, when it rebooted it said starting from 1 drive, not enough to start array |
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| 03:15.09 | shimano55 | anybody? |
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| 03:15.45 | shimano55 | ... |
| 03:16.19 | amphi | shimano55: what? |
| 03:16.41 | TheGnome | amphi, well thats ok .... i like to play |
| 03:16.51 | shimano55 | amphi, Question, Can anyone help me out with GPhoto2? I run 'gphoto2 --auto-detect', and it shows my cam as usb:. Then I run gphoto2 --summary, and it has an error where it can't claim the usb port or something. Help plz! |
| 03:17.12 | bob2 | yay for obnoxiousness!1 1 |
| 03:17.20 | bob2 | if it's a usb camera, it may be usb-storage |
| 03:17.22 | DjKritical | thanks amphi! |
| 03:17.28 | bob2 | in which case yo udon't need gphoto at all, just mount it |
| 03:17.35 | amphi | DjKritical: for what? |
| 03:17.36 | DjKritical | amphi: worked like a charm! |
| 03:17.39 | bob2 | perhaps it's already mounted and thats why it can't touch it |
| 03:17.41 | DjKritical | the clock update |
| 03:17.48 | amphi | DjKritical: oh, yeah ;) |
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| 03:18.28 | shimano55 | bob2, tryed what the dpkg told me, loaded the modules, but the cam isn't appearing as sdb or sda |
| 03:18.29 | amphi | TheGnome: lspci is your friend |
| 03:19.18 | amphi | TheGnome: the debian reference may have some info |
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| 03:19.30 | nvz | ugh just made myself sick eating that pizza :x |
| 03:20.17 | SDFH_Linux | anyone using linux_logo during startup? |
| 03:20.33 | shimano55 | bob2, sorry about being annoying, I'm just interested in getting this thing to work, and google isn't being a big help |
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| 03:21.47 | bob2 | shimano55: what does /var/log/messages say? |
| 03:21.51 | amphi | SDFH_Linux: I have done in the past, can't be bothered any more |
| 03:22.14 | nvz | I've never felt so stuffed over a few pieces of pizza, its ridiculous |
| 03:22.29 | amphi | nvz: getting old ;) |
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| 03:22.47 | SDFH_Linux | amphi do you remember what you have to put in the conf file for it stay at the top as the rest of the stuff scrolls below it? |
| 03:23.18 | amphi | SDFH_Linux: that's what it did |
| 03:23.35 | SDFH_Linux | mine is showing up amphi after everything boots |
| 03:23.38 | SDFH_Linux | for some reason |
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| 03:24.07 | shimano55 | bob2, says a lot of stuff, what in particular am I looking for |
| 03:24.08 | shimano55 | ? |
| 03:24.15 | amphi | SDFH_Linux: you have yr fb support compiled as a module? |
| 03:24.57 | SDFH_Linux | how i do that amphi? |
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| 03:25.43 | amphi | SDFH_Linux: you shouldn't, AFAIK |
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| 03:26.22 | bob2 | shimano55: tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 03:26.23 | bob2 | unplug |
| 03:26.24 | bob2 | replug |
| 03:26.27 | bob2 | this is basice debugging stuff |
| 03:26.36 | SDFH_Linux | you shouldnt add framebuffer as a module? |
| 03:26.49 | amphi | SDFH_Linux: I've never seen that behaviour - it occured to me that the console might be switched to graphics mode somewhat late in the boot process |
| 03:27.15 | SDFH_Linux | ok how i check if it is |
| 03:27.52 | nvz | amphi: I'm getting sick |
| 03:27.56 | nvz | it sucks |
| 03:27.57 | amphi | nvz: heh |
| 03:28.17 | nvz | somehow I thought I was hungy I guess I was wrong |
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| 03:28.33 | nvz | isnt any easy way to fix the problem now |
| 03:28.37 | amphi | SDFH_Linux: have a look at dmesg, or better, don't bother with linux_logo at all ;) |
| 03:28.46 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 03:28.59 | nvz | would feel a lot better if I went outside and hoarfed up some pizza but that wouldnt be fun |
| 03:29.42 | amphi | nvz: just tamp it down with some more |
| 03:29.52 | nvz | bah |
| 03:30.05 | nvz | I feel bloated already |
| 03:30.08 | shimano55 | bob2, it says alot about not being about to claim the usb |
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| 03:31.29 | nvz | hope its just gas and passes soon. I really dont enjoy regurgitation |
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| 03:32.20 | nixuser | anybody have a repository addy for sun j2re1.5? |
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| 03:33.04 | EdLin | nixuser: download the .bin, then apt-get install java-package from contrib. /msg dpkg java points you eventually to the instructions |
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| 03:33.25 | nixuser | no thanks ill do a apt-get |
| 03:33.26 | TheGnome | amphi, it works with the 2.6.11 kernel : ) |
| 03:33.49 | Gnea | nixuser: heh, you'll learn |
| 03:33.53 | EdLin | nixuser: there is no legal way to provide a jre deb in the repositories, so the best processs is a program that will make it for you. |
| 03:34.02 | nixuser | learn what |
| 03:34.08 | tintin | 2.6.11. what's the painless method to move up to 2.6? |
| 03:34.09 | TheGnome | jpkg |
| 03:34.13 | nixuser | backports for ubuntu has it |
| 03:34.22 | Gnea | !tell nixuser about java |
| 03:34.23 | EdLin | nixuser: java-package is tiny, and "fakeroot make-jpkg jre.bin.file" is easy. |
| 03:34.29 | Gnea | this is debian, not ubuntu |
| 03:34.33 | Gnea | do not attempt to confuse to two., |
| 03:34.35 | amphi | TheGnome: cool |
| 03:34.39 | EdLin | nixuser: backports for ubuntu breaks the law when it does that. |
| 03:34.47 | nixuser | who cares |
| 03:34.54 | Gnea | you will. |
| 03:34.57 | nixuser | were all breaking billy gates law anyways |
| 03:35.06 | Gnea | we are? |
| 03:35.08 | amphi | nixuser: which one? |
| 03:35.10 | TheGnome | java-package is easy and it works great |
| 03:35.11 | Gnea | explain. |
| 03:35.11 | nixuser | lol |
| 03:35.20 | nixuser | the whole world shall use windows |
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| 03:35.25 | nixuser | commandment one |
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| 03:35.37 | EdLin | nixuser: besides, ubuntu backport's deb is partially broken. |
| 03:35.37 | nixuser | so im going to hell anyways |
| 03:35.44 | Gnea | he wrote that down somewhere and had it notorized? |
| 03:35.46 | mfrisch | I hate .doc !!! |
| 03:35.54 | SpinX | my box boots 2.6.8 kernel, i wish to boot debians default kernel.. can any one point me to a url. |
| 03:35.58 | nixuser | etched in every politicians ass |
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| 03:36.26 | kalelme | hello to all |
| 03:36.38 | nixuser | ok well thanks ill get it done |
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| 03:37.00 | mfrisch | nvz you ok |
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| 03:37.18 | nvz | doesnt feel like i |
| 03:37.31 | nvz | it |
| 03:37.54 | EdLin | nvz: if you suspect its food poisoning you should throw it up ASAP. |
| 03:37.56 | kalelme | i have a problem with the apt-build i try install the gaim (apt-build --reinstall install gaim) but the apt-build can't download the sources , i have the deb-src and i am use sarge |
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| 03:38.40 | nvz | I drank about 150ml of Bacardi Superior like 7 hours ago and just ate 4 little square pieces of pizza about a half hour ago |
| 03:38.41 | mfrisch | nvz if its indigestion apple cider vineger |
| 03:38.46 | nvz | I feel all kinds of sick |
| 03:38.54 | kalelme | i can install other pakages for example el thunderbird |
| 03:38.59 | Gnea | ewww bacardi |
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| 03:40.26 | f[a]ce | woof, bacardi. |
| 03:40.46 | Gnea | and after this past weekend, i think i'll take whiskey over tequila |
| 03:40.46 | animall | at least it wasnt goldschlager |
| 03:41.00 | animall | oh man, tequila hangovers |
| 03:41.04 | Gnea | yeah |
| 03:41.08 | Gnea | had one all day sunday |
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| 03:41.18 | animall | rumple minze rules |
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| 03:41.39 | _RooTs_ | how do i partition my ext3?! |
| 03:41.45 | nvz | heh |
| 03:41.48 | _RooTs_ | resize it.. |
| 03:41.56 | animall | hurh |
| 03:42.41 | _RooTs_ | any ideas? |
| 03:42.54 | animall | i never had to do that |
| 03:43.09 | nvz | I think the uncomfortable bloated feeling I am hacing is the result of having gas on a full stomach after consuming alcohol.. heh |
| 03:43.10 | mfrisch | _RooTs_ parted?? |
| 03:43.27 | EdLin | _RooTs_: parted and it's gui cousin qtparted might be able to do that. Partition Magic, a commercial program, can too. Or you can use LVM and resize whenever you like safely. |
| 03:43.27 | _RooTs_ | nope.. |
| 03:43.29 | _RooTs_ | doesnt work |
| 03:43.32 | Gnea | _RooTs_: what's your ext3? |
| 03:43.39 | nvz | feels like crap I feel like I am going to expload |
| 03:43.47 | _RooTs_ | none of those work.. |
| 03:43.58 | _RooTs_ | i want to resize my linux.. |
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| 03:44.01 | Gnea | nvz: hold still, i'll get a camera... |
| 03:44.10 | nvz | :( |
| 03:44.12 | Gnea | _RooTs_: i suggest the jaws of life. |
| 03:44.13 | _RooTs_ | got 7GB and want to put 20 more in it |
| 03:44.27 | Gnea | nvz: hey, got to be some good in it |
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| 03:44.44 | Gnea | _RooTs_: well good for you |
| 03:44.53 | nvz | doest feel good |
| 03:45.05 | xfan | _RooTs_ : you can create a new partition, and add to the fstab as a folder |
| 03:45.24 | Gumby | I'm having issues with my touchpad when booting into the 2.6.11-1-686 debian kernel. It is quite choppy. Is there a different module that I might try in this kernel? |
| 03:45.28 | sparr_ | Does anyone here have working ALSA+OSS dmix settings for nforce2 audio? |
| 03:45.36 | Gnea | _RooTs_: yeah just toss the 20gig on /home, copy it all over and remount |
| 03:45.38 | nvz | going to try laying down hope it passes |
| 03:45.55 | Gnea | sparr_: not yet |
| 03:46.09 | Gnea | nvz: go drink some water |
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| 03:46.15 | mfrisch | _RooTs_ or dump is awesome |
| 03:46.17 | nvz | I got water right here |
| 03:46.25 | _RooTs_ | xfan: yeah i know.. but I wanted to keep everything on linux on only one partition.. |
| 03:46.28 | nvz | thing is I am thirsty as hell too |
| 03:46.40 | nvz | dont see how this is helping the bloated feeling |
| 03:46.40 | Gnea | heh, smokin'! |
| 03:46.42 | xfan | ok...thats more difficult |
| 03:46.44 | nvz | dumping more on top |
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| 03:47.45 | sparr_ | Gnea: not yet? |
| 03:47.47 | _RooTs_ | can I assume that there is no way to add more space to my partition? |
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| 03:48.17 | Gnea | sparr_: 0000:00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce Audio Processing Unit (rev a2) |
| 03:48.21 | Gnea | sparr_: one of those, right? |
| 03:48.43 | mfrisch | _RooTs_ you can recreate it on a new partion. |
| 03:48.55 | Gnea | _RooTs_: where do you want the bulk of it to go? |
| 03:49.00 | sparr_ | 0000:00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce MultiMedia audio [Via VT82C686B] (rev a2) |
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| 03:49.02 | sparr_ | not exactly |
| 03:49.12 | Gnea | ah ok |
| 03:49.12 | xfan | _RooTs_ : "Partition Magic 8" can do that |
| 03:49.23 | _RooTs_ | xfan: no.. already tried.. |
| 03:49.44 | Gnea | sparr_: what's your subsystem? |
| 03:50.08 | xfan | maybe a backup, drop the partition, create a new... and restore |
| 03:50.16 | sparr_ | Gnea: ? |
| 03:50.30 | Gnea | sparr_: if you lspci -v and look at the second line of the entry... |
| 03:50.31 | mfrisch | _RooTs_ dump it and restore. |
| 03:50.35 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.38 | _RooTs_ | mfrisch: if i recreate it on a new partition, wont it fuck up boot or something? |
| 03:51.17 | sparr_ | Subsystem: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0c11 |
| 03:51.19 | mfrisch | _RooTs_ you have to recreate your bootloader. |
| 03:51.21 | sparr_ | i also have an ac97 device |
| 03:51.24 | sparr_ | right after that one |
| 03:51.25 | Gnea | yeah |
| 03:51.30 | Gnea | ok we have the same chip then |
| 03:51.33 | _RooTs_ | what else would have to be recreated? |
| 03:51.43 | Gnea | 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1) |
| 03:51.43 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.47 | _RooTs_ | cause i mean.. i cant loose anything here.. |
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| 03:52.12 | Gnea | _RooTs_: ok first of all, is everything all on the one partition? all of /? |
| 03:52.17 | _RooTs_ | yeah |
| 03:52.20 | Gnea | ok |
| 03:52.25 | mfrisch | _RooTs_ dump -0uj -f /home/usr /dev/hda3 will create bzip dump |
| 03:52.44 | Gnea | _RooTs_: and what do you need the new space for? programs or things in your home directory? |
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| 03:53.10 | _RooTs_ | Gnea: for anything.. |
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| 03:53.19 | _RooTs_ | Gnea: not just for progs.. |
| 03:53.24 | liable | hmm, debian.org is slow at the mo.. |
| 03:53.27 | _RooTs_ | im running out of space.. |
| 03:53.42 | voyd | I'm using debian sarge and i have a PCI nic and also a ISA nic in the system. debian can't detect the ISA nic. How can i detect it? |
| 03:53.57 | alex_ez | guys, help me to select pop3-server |
| 03:54.01 | alex_ez | which one? |
| 03:54.10 | alex_ez | smtp - exim4 |
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| 03:54.19 | peterS | voyd: do you know what type of NIC ? |
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| 03:54.37 | peterS | voyd: some ISA NICs can be autodetected, some it's better to just open the case and look to see what they are |
| 03:54.40 | alex_ez | .list |
| 03:54.47 | felipe_ | voyd make sure you have ISA support on your kernel and install isapnptools |
| 03:54.52 | Gnea | _RooTs_: then take the 20 gigs, split it into 2 10gig partitions, mkfs.ext3 on them, then mount them in something like /mnt/new_usr and /mnt/new_home then copy everything from /usr to /mnt/new_usr and from /home to /mnt/new_home, edit your /etc/fstab, and carefully remove your /home and /usr while mounting the new /usr and /home at the same time |
| 03:54.56 | sparr_ | I want an inexpensive sound card that can do hardware mixing so I do not have to waste another month trying to get software mixing to work. Any suggestions? |
| 03:55.15 | peterS | sparr_: I guess low-end SB Live! cards are pretty cheap nowadays |
| 03:55.18 | Gnea | sparr_: i'm about to get an audigy |
| 03:55.22 | jamuraa | sparr_: SB Live! cards work great |
| 03:55.23 | voyd | peterS, no i'm not really sure, all i know is that its 10mbps |
| 03:55.31 | voyd | felipe_, ok thanks I'll try that |
| 03:55.34 | _RooTs_ | mfrisch: what about the debian installer cd? |
| 03:55.35 | mfrisch | sparr_ sblive works well |
| 03:55.42 | Gnea | sparr_: i wouldn't mind an RLE Hammerfall but that's a bit out of my range :) |
| 03:55.47 | peterS | voyd: you can try isapnptools as felipe_ suggests, but a great many ISA network cards won't respond to that |
| 03:55.47 | felipe_ | col |
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| 03:55.50 | felipe_ | cool |
| 03:55.53 | sparr_ | im not an audiophile |
| 03:55.57 | sparr_ | i really dont care what it sounds like |
| 03:55.58 | _RooTs_ | mfrisch: can it do it? |
| 03:56.01 | peterS | voyd: best to open the case and look at the card, see at least the brand name |
| 03:56.03 | sparr_ | i just want to get mixing working |
| 03:56.12 | Gnea | heh |
| 03:56.21 | Gnea | well mixing works fine on here |
| 03:56.22 | peterS | voyd: well, first you can try it: install isapnptools and then run 'pnpdump' to see if it finds anything |
| 03:56.28 | Gnea | i just don't have a custom .asoundrc for it |
| 03:56.29 | felipe_ | some ISA NICS requiere to specify some kernel parameters at kernel boot line |
| 03:56.33 | Gnea | however... |
| 03:56.37 | peterS | voyd: if it does, we can walk you through figuring out what driver goes with it |
| 03:56.43 | felipe_ | parameters such as irq and io |
| 03:56.44 | jamuraa | sparr_: seriously SB live value cards sound just fine, I have one now. I don't know what you mean by mixing, but I can, you know, listen to things and still have other audio files works :) |
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| 03:57.01 | peterS | felipe_: bah, only if you compile them into the kernel. these are module parameters in debian kernels, no need to reboot |
| 03:57.13 | voyd | peterS, ok no worries, i will try isapnptools now |
| 03:57.21 | voyd | then i will look at the card |
| 03:57.24 | sparr_ | jamuraa: without freaky settings? |
| 03:57.27 | mfrisch | _RooTs_ I use sysrescue cd because it has alot of tools on a iso. It blasphemy in here because its gentoo based. you need something with dump/restore fdisk |
| 03:57.28 | peterS | voyd: right, pnpdump spits out a lot of cryptic output but if it finds anything you'll know |
| 03:57.33 | mo1991 | I get a drivestatuserror BAD CRC while booting - after googling I found that there may be some errors on the drive or something? Anyone know a fix here |
| 03:57.53 | jamuraa | sparr_: define freaky settings.. I installed programs that played sound, they play sound. even multiple programs at once. |
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| 03:58.17 | voyd | peterS, i can't seem to find isapnptools using my current apt source |
| 03:58.25 | _RooTs_ | mfrisch: do you know one? |
| 03:58.33 | sparr_ | jamuraa: have you ever touched ~/.asoundrc ? |
| 03:58.44 | felipe_ | yea :) |
| 03:58.45 | mwilson | grrrrr |
| 03:59.02 | peterS | voyd: wow, you're right, it's not around. I wonder why not. investigating.... |
| 03:59.03 | mwilson | There has to be at least one decent calendaring application for X. |
| 03:59.20 | sparr_ | mwilson: mozilla calendar? |
| 03:59.24 | voyd | peterS, ok |
| 03:59.33 | mwilson | sparr_: I did specify "decent". |
| 03:59.37 | Gnea | sparr_: have you read this: http://www.mythtv.info/moin.cgi/DigitalSoundHowTo ? |
| 03:59.39 | sparr_ | mwilson: yes, but you also made up |
| 03:59.42 | sparr_ | mwilson: yes, but you also made up "calendaring" |
| 03:59.43 | mwilson | sparr_: Not "dies on a whim". |
| 04:00.04 | mfrisch | _RooTs_ any will have it google linux rescue disk. knoppix gnoppix are good debian based iso but bloated. |
| 04:00.28 | peterS | voyd: well, for whatever reason - it's in debian stable. download this and "dpkg -i" it: http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/isapnptools/isapnptools_1.26-5_i386.deb |
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| 04:00.45 | voyd | peterS, ok thanks |
| 04:00.51 | mwilson | Something that works as well as tkremind, but, well, isn't tkremind with its baroque UI. |
| 04:00.59 | _RooTs_ | mfrisch: okay.. thanks.. ill look one up here.. |
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| 04:03.53 | voyd | peterS, ok its now installed, i've done a pnpdump but cant find anything relevant that i can notice |
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| 04:04.09 | peterS | voyd: does it just print a list of ports it is probing, and that's all? |
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| 04:04.13 | peterS | voyd: or does it show devices found? |
| 04:04.16 | digitalfox | I need to get a flash disk for this thing |
| 04:04.53 | shimano55 | Question, Whats the opposite of mount? |
| 04:05.01 | peterS | shimano55: umount |
| 04:05.02 | mfrisch | umount |
| 04:05.04 | peterS | shimano55: or on AIX, unmount |
| 04:05.05 | voyd | peterS, i believe ports probing, as it doesnt mention finding any devices |
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| 04:05.39 | peterS | voyd: ok so your card is not plug-n-play. you *could* try loading random drivers for awhile, but it's easier to open the case and see what you can find out about the card |
| 04:05.41 | _RooTs_ | Gnea: about that mounting /home and /usr on other partitions.. |
| 04:05.57 | voyd | peterS, no worries, i'll open the ancient case now |
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| 04:06.09 | _RooTs_ | Gnea: do i just put, for example: /dev/hda6 /home |
| 04:06.18 | _RooTs_ | Gnea: on fstab? |
| 04:06.21 | alterdego | where can i download sid with x.org? |
| 04:06.32 | sparr_ | mwilson: tried the standalone version? |
| 04:06.32 | jamuraa | sparr_: no |
| 04:06.46 | mwilson | alterdego: Nowhere. |
| 04:06.58 | mwilson | sparr_: Of Sunbird? Yes. Blech. |
| 04:07.04 | subgv | I'm doing a net install, but I can't find my 'SATA' hard drive, how do I tell it to look in the floppy? |
| 04:07.06 | sparr_ | Gnea: that, among others, works fine for ALSA audio |
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| 04:07.15 | voyd | peterS, ok chipset is 'Intel FA82595TX' |
| 04:07.20 | jamuraa | sparr_: wait, I just touched .asoundrc - but that was just a simple cp because quodlibet FAQ told me to, and I wanted to try it out. I've never had a problem with it :P |
| 04:07.20 | alterdego | mwilson well thats not what the topic says |
| 04:07.39 | sparr_ | Gnea: but OSS doesnt play nice |
| 04:07.39 | peterS | voyd: not sure what that is but I'm guessing it's an EtherExpress |
| 04:07.49 | mwilson | alterdego: Where does the topic say you can "download Sid"? |
| 04:07.52 | d0ugie | ... can't find a Wine support channel, forgive me for asking here: Can WINE handle Macromedia aps yet? Or are there any ways to convert blender3d stuff into .fla (flash) format? |
| 04:08.07 | voyd | peterS, actually yes you're right, it has been used previously in a windows machine and it used an etherexpress driver |
| 04:08.12 | nvz | well I feel better now. tried to lay down and fall asleep but it hurt too much so I went and sat out in the yard..and forced myself to spill that crap |
| 04:08.12 | EdLin | alterdego: if you need to ask you shouldn't |
| 04:08.23 | peterS | voyd: well, there's etherexpress and etherexpress pro - do you know which? |
| 04:08.29 | nvz | I think it was food poisioning. |
| 04:08.29 | alterdego | well its in there for everyone to see if its not for everyone maybe it shouldn't be there |
| 04:08.39 | voyd | peterS, sorry can't remember |
| 04:08.46 | nvz | that pizza was probably sitting out awhile before I ate it |
| 04:08.48 | voyd | peterS, but i'm leaning towards pro |
| 04:08.56 | TimFreeman | Can someone recommend a USB network device that's well-supported by Linux, commonly available, and reliable? I have a netgear fa-120 that is showing two kinds of flakeyness. |
| 04:09.10 | peterS | voyd: well, you can try the module 'eepro' then. just 'modprobe eepro' |
| 04:09.22 | mfrisch | TimFreeman whats wrong with pci |
| 04:09.22 | voyd | peterS, ok i'll try |
| 04:09.30 | EdLin | alterdego: at any rate, you can't "download" sid. |
| 04:09.31 | TimFreeman | mfrisch: Can't open the laptop. |
| 04:09.47 | mwilson | alterdego: Again, where does it say that you can download Sid anywhere? It says that Sid (namely, unstable) contains xorg now. It does. So, what? That doesn't mean that you can download some installer somewhere and magically end up running unstable. |
| 04:09.47 | mfrisch | TimFreeman good point. |
| 04:10.00 | nvz | from now on I am doing that. its easier to get rid of food poisoning before the food digests completly |
| 04:10.30 | nvz | I would have been sick as hell all day if I waited any longer |
| 04:10.40 | EdLin | nvz: yup |
| 04:10.55 | voyd | peterS, hmm didnt go very well. theres something about "init_module: Device or resource busy" |
| 04:10.59 | peterS | voyd: yeah, comments in the eepro source file indicate that it's for all 82595 series chips |
| 04:11.08 | at0m|c | alterdego, packages.debian.org |
| 04:11.10 | rob_lt | d0ugie, you could try this: http://www3.sympatico.ca/emilio.aguirre/s2flender.html |
| 04:11.20 | peterS | voyd: does 'dmesg | tail' give any more details? |
| 04:11.28 | voyd | peterS, hang on |
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| 04:12.01 | d0ugie | rob_lt: will do, ty for the url |
| 04:12.32 | voyd | peterS, is says "Duh! illegal interrupt vector stored in EEPROM" |
| 04:12.48 | peterS | voyd: so it found the card but can't drive it. lovely. |
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| 04:13.17 | peterS | voyd: I was just about to suggest steps for detecting the card but it seems that isn't your problem now |
| 04:13.42 | voyd | peterS, haha damn, what do we do now? |
| 04:13.50 | rob_lt | d0ugie, np... you could also do a search for "sflender" on http://www.elysiun.com/forum/ |
| 04:14.04 | nvz | voyd: peterS writes the bill, you weap |
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| 04:14.11 | d0ugie | rob_lt: k... thanks for hooking me up |
| 04:14.11 | peterS | nvz: ha |
| 04:14.15 | voyd | lol |
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| 04:14.44 | voyd | maybe i'll just find a pci nic. there's sure to be one lying around |
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| 04:14.59 | voyd | peterS, thank you for all your help it's much appreciated |
| 04:15.04 | peterS | voyd: what kernel version is this? the driver source I'm reading should have printed more verbose messages |
| 04:15.29 | voyd | peterS, 2.4.27-speakup |
| 04:15.53 | nvz | speakup? |
| 04:15.58 | peterS | voyd: and it didn't say anything about "Probe is very dangerous in ISA boards!" ? |
| 04:16.04 | mfrisch | ?? |
| 04:16.09 | voyd | peterS, yeah it did say that |
| 04:16.18 | voyd | peterS, i just pasted the error msgs |
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| 04:16.44 | voyd | nvz, thats what it says |
| 04:16.46 | peterS | voyd: it then suggested "Please add 'autodetec=1' to force probe" - this means "modprobe eepro autodetect=1" |
| 04:17.05 | peterS | nvz: drives speech synthesizer hardware for the visually impaired |
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| 04:17.25 | voyd | peterS, tried that too, without that parameter it said "device or resource busy", but when i used that parameter thats when it said "duh illegal interrupt etc" |
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| 04:17.57 | scorphus | how to make mozilla firefox call evolution when a mailto: is clicked? |
| 04:18.09 | peterS | voyd: right ok. so. I wonder if the card has like an MSDOS utility for setting parameters like the irq. it's clearly stored in NVRAM on the card, not as a jumper. |
| 04:18.11 | dfd | whai is pivot_root |
| 04:18.19 | dfd | *what ? |
| 04:18.24 | peterS | dfd: why do you ask? I could explain but most people honestly don't need to know |
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| 04:18.37 | voyd | peterS, no idea mate |
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| 04:18.58 | dfd | I need to know if it has to be enabled in kernel |
| 04:19.07 | peterS | voyd: PCI network cards are like $10 or less. it might be simplest just to buy one next time you're at an appropriate store |
| 04:19.10 | dfd | I am compiling it |
| 04:19.15 | mfrisch | peterS I have had borked kernel bork there.. |
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| 04:19.19 | shimano55 | Question, In root terminal, I can run 'gphoto2 --summary, and it works, and gives a summary for my Cannon PowerShot S30, but when I go back to my normal user account, it returns the error that the usb device cannot be claimed. Can someone help? |
| 04:19.21 | subgv | Any1 have any luck installing Debian on "Dell Precision 380"? |
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| 04:19.24 | peterS | dfd: I didn't know you could disable that. it's a very small feature |
| 04:19.39 | dfd | peterS: Could you please give me a clue, What it is? |
| 04:19.39 | mwilson | dfd: Kernel configuration has that option that says <H>elp for a reason. |
| 04:19.42 | peterS | dfd: if you plan to use an initrd, you need pivot_root. if you don't, you probably don't |
| 04:19.47 | voyd | peterS, yeah i will, this is more trouble than its worth. i bought 2 of these isa nics over a year ago both for 5 bux off ebay hah |
| 04:19.55 | cahoot | shimano55: add user to group camera |
| 04:20.09 | dfd | peterS: Thanks |
| 04:20.21 | daedalus_ | scorphus: Uh.. you'll probably have to root around by hand in the .rc file... google? |
| 04:20.23 | cahoot | shimano55: and relogin |
| 04:20.23 | voyd | peterS, but once again, thanks heaps |
| 04:20.33 | shimano55 | thanks |
| 04:20.33 | peterS | dfd: it should take up a very very small space in your kernels, so I'm surprised it's optional |
| 04:20.34 | Supaplex | peterS++ |
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| 04:20.50 | peterS | Supaplex: thanks. if you want karma to actually work you have to use ! to tell the bot (: |
| 04:21.08 | EdLin | peterS: wow, 14, you rock |
| 04:21.19 | Supaplex | !peterS++ |
| 04:21.24 | scorphus | daedalus_: .rc file? |
| 04:21.25 | peterS | EdLin: just means I've been around awhile |
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| 04:22.11 | d0ugie | scorphus: maybe it's not in firefox but the DM's control pannel .. like KDE, conrol pannel -> KDE Components -> Component Chooser -> email client selection .. but hey that might be for konquerer.. might be global. |
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| 04:22.51 | shimano55 | cahoot, same errpr |
| 04:22.54 | shimano55 | error* |
| 04:24.18 | d0ugie | can i hop onto my consoles remotely? like a combination of vnc and ttysnoop of things i am in the middle, alt one through six? |
| 04:24.45 | peterS | d0ugie: screen is the usual solution. it doesn't work quite the way you describe but it achieves the same purpose |
| 04:25.08 | daedalus_ | scorphus: general term for the local configuration file... |
| 04:25.14 | d0ugie | ok cool |
| 04:25.16 | peterS | d0ugie: just run your interesting apps inside a session started with 'screen -S myappname' and then you can connect to that terminal session from anywhere using 'screen -x myappname' |
| 04:25.44 | d0ugie | Ahh! now i dont need to read the man page! :) thanks peterS |
| 04:26.14 | peterS | d0ugie: well, there's more to it than that. how to have multiple terminals in a single screen session, how to disconnect (^A^D), how to list screen sessions available (screen -ls), etc. |
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| 04:26.36 | EdLin | d0ugie: you'll need to learn a couple more things, but most of them are in the built-in help |
| 04:26.44 | d0ugie | this screen thing sounds somewhat oldschool and leet. |
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| 04:27.16 | EdLin | !screen++ |
| 04:27.22 | EdLin | ;-) |
| 04:27.31 | Vinland | For some reason all users can log in via ssh (apache, nobody) stuff like that. I'm looking in the /etc/sshd_config and I see an option 'AllowUsers steven' but steven and all the others can still log in. How do I cahnge this? |
| 04:27.43 | d0ugie | any way to lower the console font size? perhaps in bios/cmos? |
| 04:27.57 | peterS | d0ugie: svgatextmode |
| 04:28.08 | d0ugie | sweet |
| 04:28.28 | shimano55 | 'gphoto2 --summary works in root, but not in normal user. What do i do to make it work? |
| 04:28.29 | peterS | d0ugie: if svgatextmode supports your VGA chip (most NVidia, most chips older than 2001 or so), you can have just about any dimensions you want, and fonts to match |
| 04:28.31 | shimano55 | uhh.. |
| 04:28.47 | shimano55 | Queston, 'gphoto2 --summary' works in root, but not in normal user. What do i do to make it work? |
| 04:28.48 | shimano55 | there |
| 04:28.49 | shimano55 | lol |
| 04:29.21 | EdLin | shimano55: they gave you some instructions earlier, did you follow them? |
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| 04:31.53 | sockknitter | can someone tell me how i can get libxxf86vm-dev, my current sources.list isn't helping. starting to get a bit iritated.... |
| 04:32.06 | d0ugie | what's the xt like ap that will hopefully identify the location of more than one router between nyc and whatever's on the other side of the world? |
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| 04:32.52 | d0ugie | (xt as in xtraceroute) |
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| 04:34.03 | peterS | d0ugie: there are several traceroute implementations in debian - 'apt-cache search traceroute' turns up dozens |
| 04:34.18 | mwilson | sockknitter: What about it? It's only in unstable. |
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| 04:34.41 | d0ugie | peterS: should have done that first.. i'm on it like bugspray on boweivuls |
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| 04:35.00 | d0ugie | even though i know you know the name of what i'm talking about ;) |
| 04:35.28 | peterS | I don't know what a bollweevil is, really |
| 04:36.03 | mwilson | Little worm, infests cotton bolls. |
| 04:36.04 | scorphus | daedalus_: got what you meant about .rc, I'll google around |
| 04:36.09 | d0ugie | i'll wiki it for ya |
| 04:36.10 | scorphus | daedalus_: thanks |
| 04:36.25 | peterS | yeah I sort of gathered it was a little worm |
| 04:36.33 | peterS | but I don't think I've ever seen one |
| 04:36.35 | d0ugie | it's some kind of bug found in greater prevalence in ghettos |
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| 04:36.50 | Exo0dus | #ubuntu.mx |
| 04:36.51 | billions | doesn't it grow into a beetle? |
| 04:36.52 | mwilson | Or it's a restaraunt that makes really good onion rings. :) |
| 04:37.03 | Exo0dus | #ubuntu-es |
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| 04:37.12 | peterS | do they breed prize bollweevils and go to competitions called boll games? |
| 04:37.14 | servus | Weevil weevil in my bread, I think I just bit off your head. |
| 04:37.18 | d0ugie | i employed the bug in that ebonics idiom |
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| 04:37.53 | sparr_ | sound is by far the largest thing in the way of desktop linux |
| 04:38.07 | mwilson | sparr_: No one cares about desktop Linux. |
| 04:38.19 | sparr_ | mwilson: i do |
| 04:38.22 | Coag | uhh |
| 04:38.27 | daedalus_ | sparr_: huh? |
| 04:38.28 | Coag | what is wrong with deesktop linux |
| 04:38.31 | mwilson | sparr_: It's just something that newsies yammer about. |
| 04:38.33 | Coag | much better than desktop windows |
| 04:38.38 | daedalus_ | sound works just peachy |
| 04:38.41 | mwilson | Coag: Did anyone say there was anything wrong with it? |
| 04:38.48 | sparr_ | Coag: in windows id be able to play games and voice chat at the same time without buying a new sound card |
| 04:38.48 | Coag | sounded like you did buddy |
| 04:38.57 | mwilson | Coag: But no one with any intelligence cares one way or the other. |
| 04:39.00 | Coag | sparr_, you have it set up wrong then |
| 04:39.10 | sparr_ | Coag: easy to say when you dont know how to set it up right |
| 04:39.12 | EdLin | daedalus_: I see you've never ran esd or aRts |
| 04:39.14 | Xi-Phazor | sparr_ soundwrapper if you cant do that, however most people dont have an issue with it |
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| 04:39.29 | sockknitter | mwilson, what do i have to ad to my sources.list to get a relevant version ie 6.8.2-10. trying to compile something and i think i need it. |
| 04:39.32 | daedalus_ | sparr_: in windows peripherals run your drivers.... |
| 04:39.48 | mwilson | sockknitter: And you run unstable? |
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| 04:40.05 | daedalus_ | EdLin: I keep to oss and alsa... My sound cards have been 'nice' |
| 04:40.06 | sparr_ | Xi-Phazor: soundwrapper? |
| 04:40.12 | Coag | sparr_, mine seems to be setup just peachy because all the audiot hat happens in my bedroom goes through my computer thank you very much |
| 04:40.30 | Xi-Phazor | If you were in windows you would not be using anything right now, because you would be virused and dead. I just got back from 5 calls with people who have dead windows 2k / windows xp from the new grobb and zotob |
| 04:40.33 | d0ugie | does it matter if i use apache or apache2 for optimal php performance? no, right? |
| 04:40.40 | Xi-Phazor | sparr_ can i /msg you? |
| 04:40.45 | sparr_ | Xi-Phazor: sure, why not |
| 04:40.53 | peterS | d0ugie: shouldn't matter |
| 04:40.53 | Coag | haha new virus strik nice |
| 04:41.09 | sparr_ | virii is one of the reasons i prefer linux |
| 04:41.12 | daedalus_ | d0ugie: tossup. if you use apache2, make sure you use prefork mode... |
| 04:41.15 | peterS | d0ugie: the only people who need to care about raw performance of the web server are hosting companies who have gigabit ethernet straight to the internet |
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| 04:41.37 | mehul | I'm running Debian/stable (3.1) but would like to get clamav and spamassassin from unstable in order to keep it upto date. I have made entries in my /etc/apt/preferences file for those two, but aptitude does not seem to upgrade clamav. spamassassin got upgraded to unstable just fine. |
| 04:41.44 | d0ugie | or chumps like me serving a porn site on a box found in a dumpster a long time ago |
| 04:41.45 | daedalus_ | d0ugie: otherwise you may have problems if you use the PEAR modules... (not thread safe and all that) |
| 04:41.49 | peterS | d0ugie: for everyone else, a $400 machine will more than keep up with the rest of the world, subject to the performance of JSP or PHP or your database or what have you |
| 04:41.51 | EdLin | the reason why I use Linux is that it's free Unix. I could care less about Lin/Win comparisons. |
| 04:42.02 | peterS | !edlin++ |
| 04:42.10 | sockknitter | mwilson, i don't think so, i'm running a custom debian "demudi" www.agnula.org woody i think. |
| 04:42.34 | mwilson | sockknitter: Then why are you asking in #debian? |
| 04:43.16 | sockknitter | mwilson, because #angula are not helping :( |
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| 04:43.23 | shimano55 | Edlin, yes |
| 04:43.28 | EdLin | peterS: finally some karma. ;-) |
| 04:43.32 | mwilson | sockknitter: Why would #debian be able to? You're not running Debian. |
| 04:43.39 | d0ugie | peterS: i like the old box which is actually performing pretty well (just wondered if optimally) so I can show off to people how badass debian linux is even on this old-ass box .. their new $3g comp has 100 spyware and they think they need a new one, but i got all the stuff they want accessible by vnc AND i can run this dope site. Dig? |
| 04:43.42 | shimano55 | Edlin, sry about the delay, watching movie too :) |
| 04:43.53 | peterS | d0ugie: heh |
| 04:43.59 | sparr_ | ok, since software mixing isnt working |
| 04:44.01 | EdLin | shimano55: np |
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| 04:44.11 | sparr_ | is a sb live the cheapest card to get with reliable hardware mixing? |
| 04:44.14 | Coag | "...dope site, Dig?' |
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| 04:44.35 | Coag | !d0ugie-- |
| 04:44.36 | mwilson | "reliable" hardware mixing? A card either has multiple voices, or it does not. |
| 04:44.43 | mwilson | A Live has multiple voices. |
| 04:44.47 | peterS | EdLin: do you have a domain name, edlin.com? that would be a little scary |
| 04:44.49 | mwilson | Many voices, in fact. |
| 04:44.51 | shimano55 | Edlin, on root it works fine, but once I get on my normal user account, it doesn't work anymore...and I tried adding my user to the camera group, and reloging in |
| 04:44.52 | d0ugie | Coag: sorry i'll avoid those words.. i try to type in a style that's as stupid as my questions |
| 04:44.53 | sockknitter | mwilson, how is it not debian? i'm using debian packages and the software that makes up my OS is from debian? |
| 04:44.57 | EdLin | peterS: no domain |
| 04:45.02 | d0ugie | old habbit |
| 04:45.07 | Coag | heh |
| 04:45.12 | Coag | i thought it was funny |
| 04:45.23 | mwilson | !tell sockknitter about debian-based |
| 04:45.23 | Coag | you gave me a nice chuckle |
| 04:45.34 | Coag | anyone else seem to have a problem with qemu |
| 04:45.36 | EdLin | peterS: funny obsevation though |
| 04:45.40 | d0ugie | :) thanks man! you just made my 0 hundred hour |
| 04:45.46 | amphi | Coag: what problem? |
| 04:45.52 | Coag | im telling it to use 512 megs of ram buts its running like it has 64 |
| 04:46.01 | EdLin | peterS: it's owned by a domain squatter. |
| 04:46.11 | rob_lt | Anyone here have any experience with pyslide? I can't seem to get different colored text in the middle of a line. Just hoping, I know it's not debian specific. |
| 04:46.19 | peterS | EdLin: well since edit.exe debuted in MSDOS 5.0 I suppose the folks who remember edlin.com are beginning to dwindle |
| 04:46.26 | amphi | Coag: how much ram does the guest OS think it has? |
| 04:46.28 | sockknitter | mwilson, you guys must really hatre people like me. |
| 04:46.38 | Coag | amphi, i cant ever get it succesfully installed |
| 04:46.42 | freedom101 | i have a little funny problem with rm .... how i can i remove a file name -2index.txt |
| 04:46.48 | Coag | it always takes so long my cdrom stops responding |
| 04:46.49 | EdLin | peterS: or its ancestor ED.COM in CP/M |
| 04:46.54 | peterS | freedom101: rm ./-2index.txt |
| 04:47.19 | TK-1 | Netsplit Detected irc.freenode.net from: zelazny.freenode.net |
| 04:47.19 | Coag | ^ |
| 04:47.19 | peterS | EdLin: see, that's before *my* time. oh I remember hearing about CP/M but I never got to actually use it |
| 04:47.19 | Coag | Doctor obvious |
| 04:47.21 | mwilson | TK-1: Gee, you think? |
| 04:47.24 | freedom101 | thanks |
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| 04:47.40 | mwilson | People running announcement scripts like that should be shot. |
| 04:47.40 | Coag | serious |
| 04:47.54 | Xi-Phazor | lol, like I would not notice 800 people being cut in half |
| 04:48.03 | d0ugie | apt-get's spoiling me .. for some things you gotta/oughtta suck it up and get the tar gz, edit the configs manually without dpkg-reconfigure, etc .. like gallery2 for example |
| 04:48.10 | peterS | Xi-Phazor: people being cut in half? leet |
| 04:48.21 | sparr_ | d03boy: apt-get source :-p |
| 04:48.26 | d0ugie | ... using pico of course |
| 04:48.29 | sparr_ | d0ugie: ^^ |
| 04:48.31 | EdLin | peterS: I used CP/M on a Z-80 card in an Apple II. Not really much to brag about, though I did like WordStar |
| 04:48.33 | d0ugie | sparr_ or go to the nightly builds site |
| 04:48.34 | deadcat | d0ugie: stop bitching |
| 04:48.41 | d0ugie | deadcat: k |
| 04:48.43 | dondelelcaro | ah, word star |
| 04:48.44 | Coag | who was helping me on my qemu issue? |
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| 04:48.56 | mwilson | This will be fun... Type 6 keyboard and Linux. |
| 04:49.13 | peterS | EdLin: I wish I could have gotten an apple II z80 card. oh well, I survived |
| 04:49.22 | Daffy-PKF | wow.... installing debian woody from floppys... more than 20, gonna take a long time |
| 04:49.33 | Coag | netinstall for the win |
| 04:49.36 | mwilson | Why would you install Woody? |
| 04:49.48 | peterS | mwilson: presumably he can't find the sarge floppy set |
| 04:49.50 | Daffy-PKF | old material, tried sarge it don't work |
| 04:49.59 | Xi-Phazor | LOL |
| 04:50.01 | amphi | Coag: did you try the kernel module? |
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| 04:50.11 | Coag | amphi, hmm? |
| 04:50.23 | Coag | amphi, apparently not point me in the right direction? |
| 04:50.32 | d0ugie | is there some kind of monitor filter that narrows the visible range angle for doing USFW stuff at W? |
| 04:50.45 | d0ugie | .. that doesn't require goggles, preferably? |
| 04:50.53 | amphi | Coag: kqemu, speeds up x86 emu on x86 a lot |
| 04:50.58 | EdLin | peterS: MS-DOS's implementation of CP/M's BDOS was so bad that people wrote to the hardware. MS-DOS sucked, CP/M sucked less mostly but was still pretty primative too. |
| 04:51.02 | Xi-Phazor | try google d0ugie |
| 04:51.05 | Daffy-PKF | would be happy to install from cd, but can't burn for the moment... |
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| 04:51.10 | auk | ggr MS |
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| 04:51.13 | d0ugie | Xi-Phazor: you got it, ty |
| 04:51.19 | hyperstream | how do i extract .gz.bz2 files |
| 04:51.27 | TheGnome | where can i get w32codecs? |
| 04:51.29 | peterS | EdLin: I thought CP/M didn't have subdirs |
| 04:51.32 | Xi-Phazor | there are abou 1000 results d0ugie |
| 04:51.35 | peterS | EdLin: that's not what I'd call sucking less |
| 04:51.36 | Coag | amphi, how do i go abotu getting kqemu |
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| 04:51.39 | mwilson | It has user areas. |
| 04:51.42 | amphi | Coag: dd-ing the cdrom to an iso and using that might help |
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| 04:51.54 | hyperstream | anyone? |
| 04:51.59 | d0ugie | 1000 results?! How can i possibly go through all of them for this? It's not worth it. :) |
| 04:52.08 | EdLin | peterS: that's why I said "mostly", directories, introduced in MS-DOS 2.0, were a lot better than CP/M 2's users. |
| 04:52.12 | amphi | Coag: it's a separate tarball from qemu.org; you need to build qemu with it |
| 04:52.28 | Coag | amphi, oh, well i got qemu through apt |
| 04:52.34 | TheGnome | !find w32codecs |
| 04:52.40 | d0ugie | hyperstream: apt-get install bzip2 |
| 04:52.46 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'w32codecs' returned no results. |
| 04:52.49 | Coag | amphi, but apt didnt seem to have the kqemu |
| 04:52.51 | hyperstream | oo |
| 04:52.52 | hyperstream | thanks |
| 04:52.54 | peterS | TheGnome: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 04:52.55 | d0ugie | think it has unbz utilities too... |
| 04:53.12 | deadcat | whats that program called that when i receive an email. it sents back to sender and ask them to reply with some key to varify its a valid user? |
| 04:53.19 | amphi | Coag: likewise, but that version doesn't play nice with plan 9, so I got a snapshot kqemu |
| 04:53.23 | mwilson | deadcat: "crap". |
| 04:53.25 | peterS | deadcat: don't use that |
| 04:53.31 | EdLin | peterS: at that time hard drives were rare though, so directories weren't really missed as much until CP/M and Apple became obsolete. |
| 04:53.31 | EdLin | s/Apple/the Apple II/ |
| 04:53.31 | deadcat | oh. dont work? |
| 04:53.32 | d0ugie | as far as the gz, well maybe that prog handles that too or you apt-get yourself gunzip for that |
| 04:53.34 | peterS | deadcat: it's called challenge/response and is also known as the scourge of the earth |
| 04:53.35 | TheGnome | !marillat |
| 04:53.35 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 04:53.37 | daedalus_ | deadcat: a cahllange-response setup? |
| 04:53.40 | d0ugie | or man tar... |
| 04:53.44 | miag | autoplay in totem? |
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| 04:53.53 | Vinland | In my /etc/sshd_config file I have a line that 'AllowUsers steven' However all the users (incuding apache) and everything else can log in. I might have had a possible compromise earlier and I was wondering why this sshd thing isn't working anymore. Any suggestions> |
| 04:53.54 | daedalus_ | deadcat: err challenge-response |
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| 04:53.56 | mwilson | deadcat: Quickest way to get you banned from mailing lists. |
| 04:53.58 | peterS | deadcat: the real problem is that spammers don't use valid return addresses, they use *mine* |
| 04:54.01 | amphi | Coag: kqemu is not free (as in freedom), dunno if debian packages it at all |
| 04:54.06 | deadcat | mwilson: i dont use mailing list |
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| 04:54.11 | jair | which one is the command to see if someone was here? |
| 04:54.22 | jair | "/seen <nick>" |
| 04:54.22 | deadcat | peterS: ah. |
| 04:54.25 | peterS | deadcat: the other real problem is that it's not worth a lot of people's time to jump through challenge/response hoops, so they'll just not send you stuff |
| 04:54.26 | TheGnome | how do i add marillat |
| 04:54.43 | sparr_ | is there a debian package for the program 'soundwrapper'? |
| 04:54.43 | hyperstream | i downloaded thru apt-get the kernel-image-2.6.11-7-386 ,, i require the source of the kernel to install a application, but all can find is kernel-source-2.6.11-7:all will this source do?? |
| 04:54.45 | d0ugie | whitelist email setups are a faux pas, huh ... |
| 04:54.45 | shmloe | Where is the module startup list located at? |
| 04:55.01 | peterS | d0ugie: unless you really really are not interested in any email from anyone you haven't already whitelisted |
| 04:55.02 | dondelelcaro | TheGnome: visit one of the urls in the factoid, and add the deb line given there. |
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| 04:55.09 | daedalus_ | deadcat: spamassasin with learning should be enough to keep most things out |
| 04:55.13 | peterS | d0ugie: if you're willing to preemptively whitelist anyone you expect valid email from, I guess they're ok |
| 04:55.15 | d0ugie | thunderbird, admittedly untrained, thinks over half my unjunk is junk |
| 04:55.19 | dondelelcaro | hyperstream: what application thinks that it needs the kernel source? |
| 04:55.27 | hyperstream | ndiswrapper |
| 04:55.28 | jair | !seen jair |
| 04:55.29 | dpkg | jair is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 1754 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 04:55.35 | deadcat | peterS: damn. currently i am getting loads of shits.. i KNOW my friend fucked me up by putting the email to one of those greeting card shit.. FUCK |
| 04:55.44 | daedalus_ | deadcat: and assuming you have saved your spam in a spam folder, you can accelerate the learning process ++ |
| 04:55.54 | jair | TK-1 hello |
| 04:56.04 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: you can't be getting that much spam; I currently clear thousands of messages of it a day. |
| 04:56.06 | deadcat | peterS: my other email address was fucked by 2 other CS students.. total 3 "CS" students fucked me up.. |
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| 04:56.22 | peterS | deadcat: revise your friend policy |
| 04:56.22 | jair | I will go to get something to drink will be back |
| 04:56.22 | mwilson | *I* won't jump through hoops to send someone mail... they implement C-R, I blacklist them and I'm done. |
| 04:56.24 | hyperstream | dondelelcaro, whys that? |
| 04:56.29 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: because i have nothing (= |
| 04:56.43 | deadcat | peterS: eh.. CS morons.. |
| 04:56.51 | d0ugie | do people get started with effective filtering by downloading pre-configged thunderbird junk filters (and thereafter training it)? |
| 04:56.56 | peterS | deadcat: hint: befriending anyone who pings you on orkut is *bad* (: |
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| 04:57.07 | sparr_ | I want all my alsa and oss apps to have their sound mixed in software for my single-channel sound card. Can this be done, regardless of what sound card i have? |
| 04:57.09 | deadcat | peterS: hehe... |
| 04:57.12 | dondelelcaro | hyperstream: do a google search for my e-mail address, and you'll understand. |
| 04:57.24 | d0ugie | boy oh boy people really hate being pinged .. not to mention versioned. |
| 04:57.24 | mwilson | I haven't found mail filters built into MUA's to be anything but crap. I run dspam, which works great. |
| 04:57.31 | hyperstream | dondelelcaro, i think since the apt-get packages for ndiswrapper modules are 2.6.8 i should be building ndviswrapper from source? |
| 04:57.35 | peterS | sparr_: alsa should have no problem with this. use snd-pcm-oss for your OSS apps |
| 04:57.44 | hyperstream | would you agree? |
| 04:57.50 | peterS | sparr_: a few oss apps reportedly have problems with snd-pcm-oss, like doom3, but most work fine |
| 04:57.57 | sparr_ | peterS: i just wanna get it working with alsa first, ill work on oss later |
| 04:58.02 | Daffy-PKF | what do you think about running a server on a pentium 133 with 15Mb of ram? i mean apache and mysqld... |
| 04:58.02 | d0ugie | you can't have it in the mta, gotta have a junk folder ont he client with all the false possitives to go through |
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| 04:58.15 | peterS | sparr_: oss is just loading that one module, no big deal. what sound chip have you got? |
| 04:58.15 | mwilson | Of course you can have it in the MTA. |
| 04:58.17 | sparr_ | peterS: so far ive gotten it to work with "simple" alsa apps, like aplay, alsaplayer, etc. but when i try games it breaks |
| 04:58.18 | hyperstream | ooo leet linuxer :P |
| 04:58.32 | daedalus_ | Daffy-PKF: no reason you can't do it. |
| 04:58.36 | d0ugie | Daffy-PKF: 15 megs? hope you're not planning on doing a lot of php stuff |
| 04:58.41 | sparr_ | peterS: nforce2 Via VT82C686B |
| 04:58.41 | peterS | sparr_: oh, so alsa already works - I'm lost, I don't know advanced alsa settings or configuration at all |
| 04:58.49 | mwilson | Mail comes in, dspam marks it as spam/ham, procmail puts in correct folder, you're done. |
| 04:58.54 | Daffy-PKF | d0ugie, errr... i am |
| 04:58.56 | daedalus_ | Daffy-PKF: your dynamic throughput is going to be limited by your RAM... |
| 04:59.14 | mehul | mwilson: what is dspam ? |
| 04:59.16 | Daffy-PKF | daedalus_, not a big server, just for friends |
| 04:59.25 | mwilson | mehul: Google. |
| 04:59.58 | TheGnome | those sources dont work |
| 04:59.59 | d0ugie | Daffy-PKF: some progs like gallery require 16 megs (or at least in the config) .. j/w, are you trying to make a point of some sort? |
| 05:00.03 | daedalus_ | Daffy-PKF: then I'd say you're probably going to be fine. The ultimate test is try-it-and-see...rn |
| 05:00.09 | TheGnome | and dont have w32codecs. |
| 05:00.20 | TheGnome | can somebody pm me there sources.list |
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| 05:00.31 | peterS | is mehul related to rahul? |
| 05:00.34 | Daffy-PKF | daedalus_, i'm actually installing debian in that goal ^^ |
| 05:00.37 | mwilson | MS doesn't have a patch for this latest stupidity on Windows Update? I'm surprised. |
| 05:00.44 | deadcat | TheGnome: non-free contrib to the end of your sources.list i think |
| 05:00.49 | d0ugie | don't bother with minix though ... it's MS related, you know |
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| 05:00.57 | mehul | lol peterS .. not unless thats my cousin .. |
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| 05:01.08 | hyperstream | i think since the apt-get packages for ndiswrapper modules are 2.6.8 i should be building ndviswrapper from source?...... also i have kernel-image 2.6.11-1-386 install. and ndiswrapper requires kernel source to compile, so i downloaded kernel-source-2.6.11-7:all would this kernel source do ????? |
| 05:01.22 | TheGnome | deadcat, cool |
| 05:01.25 | Daffy-PKF | d0ugie, " to make a point of some sort" sorry but... what does that mean? (my english is bad...) |
| 05:01.32 | miag | how many of you use tor? |
| 05:01.41 | deadcat | i think i know the best way to handle spam.. hire someone to read your mail. (= |
| 05:01.45 | TraceGreen | Hello, Does anyone try to compile captive sucessfully? |
| 05:01.50 | c01100011 | i installed the nvidia drivers acording to the instructions on Andrew E Schulman's site after being told NOT TO USE the nvidia installer, the nvidia driver works fine but if i enable glx X won't start |
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| 05:01.56 | EdLin | d0ugie: minix isn't MS related you dolt. It was an 80x86 Unix clone written by Andrew Tannenbaum for his OS course text-book |
| 05:01.59 | d0ugie | Daffy-PKF: well i go out of my way to use a shitty box for my server as i was saying earlier to show off how much linux can do on 10 year old specs |
| 05:02.01 | mwilson | c01100011: Yes, that's correct. |
| 05:02.12 | c01100011 | mwilson - any fix ? |
| 05:02.14 | hyperstream | how do i remove a ln -s ? symbolic linux |
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| 05:02.21 | peterS | hyperstream: rm |
| 05:02.22 | deadcat | hyperstream: rm |
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| 05:02.29 | daedalus_ | c01100011: glx doesn't play well (at all) with the nvidia module.... |
| 05:02.37 | deadcat | actually i've NEVER gotten a spam mail on my freeshell account. |
| 05:02.44 | mwilson | c01100011: Don't use his instructions. Last I checked, way out of date. |
| 05:02.45 | d0ugie | EdLin: you sure? i heard somewhere there were early ms ties, like they made moves to buy it and sold it .. ehh ... i retract my whatever |
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| 05:02.48 | mehul | d0ugie: you are talking of XENIX .. not minix ... |
| 05:02.51 | Daffy-PKF | d0ugie, the box is a dell OptiPlex Gxi 5133L, just for your curiosity :) |
| 05:02.55 | TheGnome | even with non-free it still dont find w32codecs |
| 05:02.59 | daedalus_ | !nvidia |
| 05:02.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 05:03.04 | ke6isf | woo |
| 05:03.06 | peterS | TheGnome: right, that's why I said /msg dpkg marillat |
| 05:03.06 | deadcat | peterS: i wasnt planning to answer. (= |
| 05:03.12 | hyperstream | anyone ??? |
| 05:03.13 | c01100011 | so why should iuse the modules and not nvidia built drivers ? |
| 05:03.15 | Daffy-PKF | d0ugie, i got it from a friend who didn't know what to do with it |
| 05:03.17 | deadcat | hyperstream: no one |
| 05:03.19 | d0ugie | Daffy-PKF: in what year was it sold? |
| 05:03.20 | EdLin | d0ugie: the book is still on the shelves, and it isn't printed or owned by MS. You must be thinking of Xenix. |
| 05:03.23 | rixth | How can I find out what /dev/hd* corresponds to? (I need to find out what my CD drive is on) |
| 05:03.26 | Daffy-PKF | d0ugie, 1996 |
| 05:03.26 | d0ugie | hyperstream: hang on let me pageup |
| 05:03.26 | hyperstream | i think since the apt-get packages for ndiswrapper modules are 2.6.8 i should be building ndviswrapper from source?...... also i have kernel-image 2.6.11-1-386 install. and ndiswrapper requires kernel source to compile, so i downloaded kernel-source-2.6.11-7:all would this kernel source do |
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| 05:03.30 | hyperstream | okies |
| 05:03.31 | TheGnome | peterS, the marillat sources dont work |
| 05:03.32 | ke6isf | hyperstream: you rm the link |
| 05:03.32 | hyperstream | thanks d03boy |
| 05:03.37 | daedalus_ | !tell c01100011 about nvidia howto |
| 05:03.37 | d0ugie | Xenis that's it |
| 05:03.39 | mwilson | c01100011: nvidia-installer steps on files randomly. |
| 05:03.41 | daedalus_ | !tell c01100011 about nvidia-howto |
| 05:03.42 | hyperstream | ke6isf, : yes first question :P |
| 05:03.48 | mwilson | c01100011: You can't *un-do* it . |
| 05:03.49 | hyperstream | <-- in rush is all |
| 05:03.51 | d0ugie | ok so i mixed it up, go easy on me |
| 05:03.54 | peterS | TheGnome: well, debian doesn't have illegal stuff in it either. so maybe you're out of luck |
| 05:03.56 | mwilson | (among other things) |
| 05:03.57 | d0ugie | ok hype man hang on |
| 05:04.04 | hyperstream | okies |
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| 05:04.22 | c01100011 | ok, so everyone just sent me andrew's how to which i followed that doesn't work with glx, and is "out of date" |
| 05:04.27 | EdLin | d0ugie: Xenix, not Xenis; though the mispelling is appropriate |
| 05:04.42 | d0ugie | hyperstream: just rm it regularly fro the directory in which you created the symbolic link, i think. |
| 05:04.49 | mwilson | c01100011: Debian's nvidia packages come with perfectly understandable, easily followed instructions. |
| 05:04.53 | d0ugie | ... not rmdir |
| 05:04.56 | hyperstream | d0ugie, : the question before that |
| 05:04.59 | peterS | EdLin: wait, why are we talking about xenix and minix? do we really want to go back to unix on chips that don't have MMUs? |
| 05:05.01 | hyperstream | i just reposted a sec ago |
| 05:05.14 | d0ugie | EdLin: this is good *ni* trivia |
| 05:05.19 | peterS | yeah, I know, Linux runs on mmuless m68k variants nowadays |
| 05:05.19 | daedalus_ | mwilson: then can you update dpkg's nvidia tidbit? |
| 05:05.28 | Kupal[] | anyway to optimize a fat file system . Im missing 8gb in wasted blocks.. |
| 05:05.28 | TheGnome | peterS, no those sources just dont work.......and w32codecs is not illegal to let you know |
| 05:05.29 | mwilson | daedalus_: No point. People don't read. |
| 05:05.30 | EdLin | peterS: no, I only brought it up because he claimed minix was from MS. |
| 05:05.43 | daedalus_ | mwilson: I, and many other people do... |
| 05:05.43 | EdLin | peterS: I'm not *that* nostalgic |
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| 05:05.58 | peterS | TheGnome: if not illegal, it's pretty fly-by-night. I understand not everything in that package can be redistributed |
| 05:05.59 | daedalus_ | mwilson: you seem to know of a better solution... |
| 05:06.02 | Daffy-PKF | disk11... i did half of the job... fiuuuuuuuu |
| 05:06.27 | c01100011 | Not to be annoying to anyone that feels my question has been answered butiam still aaa bit lost, did dpkg lead me wrong, and if so what is the best way to go about nvidia drivers ? |
| 05:06.29 | hyperstream | ok thjanks people |
| 05:06.31 | hyperstream | i gtg |
| 05:06.32 | hyperstream | laters |
| 05:06.41 | daedalus_ | mwilson: and the dpkg bot is there to keep us all from having to remember the search string to find everything.... |
| 05:06.52 | mwilson | daedalus_: <shrug> I actually learned how to read in school. Packages come with documentation for a reason. |
| 05:07.06 | daedalus_ | mwilson: what fucking package? |
| 05:07.14 | mehul | mwilson: is there a package for dspam in debian ? I did apt-cache search but it didn't come back with anythying. |
| 05:07.14 | d0ugie | hyperstream: leaving? i think i got an ans |
| 05:07.18 | hyperstream | oo |
| 05:07.18 | EdLin | daedalus_: ls /usr/share/doc |
| 05:07.18 | hyperstream | kool |
| 05:07.26 | mwilson | daedalus_: nvidia-kernel-source |
| 05:07.41 | daedalus_ | !nvidia |
| 05:07.41 | dpkg | methinks nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 05:07.43 | hyperstream | so do i have the rong kernel-source? |
| 05:07.51 | hyperstream | wrong* |
| 05:08.16 | d0ugie | not certain, but try doing an apt-cache search ndiswrapper, grab the module for your respective kernel, .. then maybe you're set? or was your question more complicated than what i skimmed over? |
| 05:08.20 | daedalus_ | !nvidia is the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 05:08.20 | dpkg | ...but nvidia is already something else... |
| 05:08.27 | daedalus_ | !nvidia is also the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 05:08.27 | dpkg | okay, daedalus_ |
| 05:08.35 | mwilson | module-assistant... feh |
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| 05:08.38 | hyperstream | there is no module for this kernel version |
| 05:08.40 | hyperstream | only 2.6.8 |
| 05:08.42 | Daffy-PKF | just to know, does someone knows what is that damn error: "__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed", i got ot when using the sarge installation cd |
| 05:08.52 | daedalus_ | mwilson: god dammit.... |
| 05:08.57 | d0ugie | which kernel you want |
| 05:09.01 | peterS | Daffy-PKF: 0-order allocation failed means you are completely and utterly out of memory |
| 05:09.03 | d0ugie | i'll have a look-see |
| 05:09.04 | peterS | Daffy-PKF: it should never happen |
| 05:09.06 | TheGnome | this sucks |
| 05:09.17 | Daffy-PKF | peterS, it did... |
| 05:09.23 | hyperstream | crap gtg |
| 05:09.27 | hyperstream | 2.6.11-1 |
| 05:09.40 | hyperstream | ill be back in a while email result to jstoners@hotmail.com if you can please |
| 05:09.45 | hyperstream | hitting reset now :) laters |
| 05:09.47 | Daffy-PKF | peterS, but with 15Mb, maybe normal |
| 05:09.56 | Boukensya | hey guys. I have a box that hasn't been recording peoples webpage logs (via webalizer) for 2 weeks now. I didn't set it up so I don't know how it is supposed to start. It doesn't look like it is running as a service, and no cronjobs setup for it. I am trying to track down how to find out how it starts up |
| 05:10.03 | miag | nvidia-1-7676 wfm |
| 05:10.05 | peterS | Daffy-PKF: with 15MB, you want to set up some swap space as early as possible |
| 05:10.20 | d0ugie | ok hype |
| 05:10.27 | d0ugie | good luck to you and me both on that |
| 05:10.37 | liable | Boukensya: read the docs? |
| 05:10.45 | Boukensya | I read the manpage |
| 05:10.48 | Daffy-PKF | peterS, is it possible to do that before the installation starts? the error happened when the installer was creating the root in ramfs |
| 05:10.55 | Kupal[] | is there a way to analyze a fat32 f.s. to set the most optimize block size; with the aim to increase freespace? |
| 05:10.58 | d0ugie | Boukensya: config it? old install that wasn't purged? |
| 05:10.58 | liable | Boukensya: /usr/share/doc/webaliser.. |
| 05:10.59 | c01100011 | now that hyperstream is gone, maybe i can get a straight answer, best way to install nvidia and have working glx is to ? |
| 05:11.13 | peterS | Daffy-PKF: uh, not really. not sure what to suggest in your case then |
| 05:11.22 | d0ugie | damn i want google earth for linux |
| 05:11.32 | EdLin | !tell c01100011 -about nvidia |
| 05:11.33 | peterS | Daffy-PKF: you might be forced to install woody and upgrade to sarge. this is a perfectly sane course of action actually |
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| 05:11.46 | Daffy-PKF | peterS, well, i'm installin woody from floppys now, seems to work well |
| 05:11.57 | Boukensya | hmm.. I don't know. the command line "webalizer" works telling me " |
| 05:11.57 | Boukensya | Hostname for reports is 'hosting01' |
| 05:11.57 | Boukensya | Reading history file... webalizer.hist |
| 05:11.57 | Boukensya | Reading previous run data.. webalizer.current |
| 05:11.57 | Boukensya | No valid records found! |
| 05:11.58 | Boukensya | " |
| 05:11.58 | d0ugie | Daffy-PKF: high five .. floppies :) |
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| 05:11.59 | peterS | good deal |
| 05:12.07 | d0ugie | Daffy-PKF: how much HD you got to work with |
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| 05:12.13 | Boukensya | sorry about that |
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| 05:12.18 | Daffy-PKF | d0ugie, 1Gb ^^ |
| 05:12.23 | d0ugie | Oh |
| 05:12.47 | c01100011 | EdLin - dpkg nvidia-howto leads me to Andrew Schulman's instructions which i was first told are outdated and don't cooperate with GLX |
| 05:13.05 | d0ugie | what kind of site you plan to do with this 15mg ram box? |
| 05:13.12 | EdLin | c01100011: module-assistant isn't outdated |
| 05:13.19 | d0ugie | on a 100 something mhz chip |
| 05:13.39 | Daffy-PKF | d0ugie, did a 256Mb swap, and will add a 120Gb for all kind of files later, but the system will be on the 1Gb one |
| 05:13.52 | mehul | how do I get "pin" APT so that it uses clamav packages from unstable instead of stable ? |
| 05:13.52 | TheGnome | i found the codecs |
| 05:14.11 | mehul | -get |
| 05:14.32 | Daffy-PKF | d0ugie, i just want to do a thing for friends, sharing files and such |
| 05:14.35 | d0ugie | daffy if you figured out how to procure a fresh properly-formatted debian installer, i'm guessing you're a few steps ahead of me |
| 05:15.16 | c01100011 | EdLin - not my words about m-a , what i was told when i first asked before the mini flame whatever that was , anyways, can I get the nvidia-module to work with glx ? |
| 05:15.17 | Daffy-PKF | d0ugie, actually... i'm on floppy 13 of the woody installation |
| 05:15.25 | d0ugie | Daffy-PKF: might want to all go in together on a bigger HD, that space will disappear like that unless you firewall their kazaa/bittorrent ports |
| 05:15.49 | Daffy-PKF | d0ugie, lol |
| 05:15.50 | d0ugie | i assume they're on win boxes? are you gonna use samba or ftpd? |
| 05:15.52 | ke6isf | Daffy-PKF: Why in tarnations are you installing Woody via floppy?! |
| 05:15.59 | EdLin | c01100011: assumedly so |
| 05:16.24 | Daffy-PKF | ke6isf, well i can't burn cds, and the sarge one i have is not working on that box |
| 05:16.28 | d0ugie | kerneld: chill, he's keeping it real in the field on a 166MHz box with 15meg ram |
| 05:16.37 | EdLin | c01100011: follow the instructions the bot gives first, then and only then after you've followed the instructions complain here. |
| 05:16.46 | Daffy-PKF | d0ugie, 133MHz... ^^ |
| 05:16.51 | d0ugie | i mean ke6isf: |
| 05:16.59 | d0ugie | 133! |
| 05:17.11 | wolfdream | when using "reportbug" the system does a dependency check on the package I'm gonna report a bug on... I'd like to be able to do that from the command line without reporting a bug. What's the best way? |
| 05:17.13 | d0ugie | isn't that like a 486 dx2? |
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| 05:17.15 | ke6isf | Daffy-PKF: But God almighty, why aren't you doing a netinst?! |
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| 05:17.33 | d0ugie | ke6isf: can't you understand the masochism |
| 05:17.33 | mehul | Daffy-PKF: at leat yours is twice as fast my 66MHz box :) |
| 05:17.39 | EdLin | d0ugie: 486s never were that fast. |
| 05:17.44 | Daffy-PKF | ke6isf, huuuu i'd like to, but the installer didn't proposed me |
| 05:17.45 | ke6isf | d0ugie: No, I don't like pain. |
| 05:17.50 | c01100011 | EdLin - i have followed the instructions, and i am using the nvidia-module , and now i am hopin go be able to uncomment enable "glx" in my xorg |
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| 05:18.07 | ke6isf | Daffy-PKF: *thud* |
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| 05:18.23 | EdLin | c01100011: you're using xorg? Sid has a lot of breakage at the moment. |
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| 05:18.29 | Daffy-PKF | d0ugie, as far as i know it's a 386 |
| 05:18.42 | ke6isf | Daffy-PKF: I don't think they made 386 chips that fast. |
| 05:18.51 | mehul | Daffy-PKF: more likely its a Pentium |
| 05:18.55 | EdLin | Daffy-PKF: the fastest 386 that I know of was 40MHz |
| 05:18.57 | Daffy-PKF | ke6isf, really? so what is it? |
| 05:19.01 | d0ugie | Daffy-PKF: you want me to mail you a netinst floppy arrangement (if one exists)? |
| 05:19.04 | c01100011 | EdLin - i know, but nothing to effect nvidia-module which is non free and i am getting from stable , |
| 05:19.10 | MustangMatt | Alright, ready for a challenge? I've had a compaq presario 1700T notebook given to me. The beast has Windows ME on it. No CDROM or floppy drive. The keyboard doesn't work right (different characters appear as I type than the ones expected). However, USB mouse and keyboard work fine on it. I haven't tried booting from USB yet but it appears the bios doesn't support it. Is it possible to load debian |
| 05:19.10 | MustangMatt | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.15 | Coag | ERROR: QEMU requires SDL or Cocoa for graphical output |
| 05:19.25 | Daffy-PKF | d0ugie, well i'm on floppy 14 now, that will be ok |
| 05:19.28 | ke6isf | Daffy-PKF: At 133 MHz? A really fast 486 DX, or ike EdLin said, a Pentium. |
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| 05:19.42 | EdLin | c01100011: mixing repositories too? Then all bets are off. |
| 05:19.47 | Coag | how would i go about fixing that? |
| 05:19.55 | Daffy-PKF | ke6isf, ho yes sorry, just checked, it's a pentium |
| 05:20.00 | ke6isf | !tell MustangMatt -about rube goldberg install |
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| 05:20.05 | d0ugie | yeah i guess you're already pot-committed, to use a card term |
| 05:20.13 | EdLin | ke6isf: the fastest 486s that I know of were 100MHz DX4s. |
| 05:20.17 | c01100011 | Edlin- the sugar in my gastank doesn't mean you can't warrenty my tires, |
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| 05:20.32 | d0ugie | ok so i wasn't that far off thinking 133mhz was in that range.. |
| 05:20.33 | MustangMatt | ke6isf: I have a working network connection. |
| 05:20.37 | ke6isf | EdLin: I've seen a few DX4 133s. They didn't work very well, IIRC - but then again, they were Cyrix chips. |
| 05:20.41 | EdLin | d0ugie: yep |
| 05:20.48 | EdLin | ke6isf: interesting |
| 05:20.53 | d0ugie | Hmmm the tables have turned! |
| 05:20.55 | Lumiere | does anyone know why none of the x.org configuration tools can write files? |
| 05:21.04 | d0ugie | and don't forget overclocked 486s... |
| 05:21.05 | Lumiere | including dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 05:21.08 | ke6isf | MustangMatt: The idea of setting up netinst on a small partition and booting from that comes to mind. |
| 05:21.27 | EdLin | c01100011: the problems could definitely be related to that, as you're mixing sid and sarge in this exact thing. |
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| 05:21.43 | ke6isf | MustangMatt: That, or buy an external floppy disk. |
| 05:21.47 | mtnman | mustangmatt: it is definitely possible, however you will probably find out for sure by reading the installation docs. |
| 05:21.48 | Daffy-PKF | i just hope it fail at floppy 20... |
| 05:22.01 | mtnman | s/for sure/for yourself/ |
| 05:22.03 | SuperTech | Hey I have a serious debian problem |
| 05:22.11 | d0ugie | does (an older) vncserver actually make its own xserver and desktop manager? IE it doesn't just hop onto whatever WM's open? |
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| 05:22.14 | ke6isf | MustangMatt: Cheapest way would be to mount the disk in a spare box, do the install that way, and remount it. Of course, you'll need an adaptor. |
| 05:22.24 | MustangMatt | ke6isf: External floppy disk drive wouldn't help if I can't boot from usb. |
| 05:22.25 | ke6isf | !ask SuperTech |
| 05:22.29 | redge- | heya |
| 05:22.32 | ke6isf | MustangMatt: Ah, good point. |
| 05:22.35 | MustangMatt | ke6isf: That's a good idea. |
| 05:22.43 | MustangMatt | ke6isf: I actually have the adaptor. |
| 05:22.44 | ke6isf | !tell SuperTech -about ask |
| 05:22.50 | d0ugie | God when will i learn not to take adderall and join #debian before i start my work |
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| 05:22.56 | ke6isf | MustangMatt: Cool. Hope it works. |
| 05:23.19 | SuperTech | My linux box loads the hard drives and then says INIT: version 2.86 booting and then does nothing else |
| 05:23.28 | SuperTech | What do I do |
| 05:23.41 | trend_ | SuperTech: did you just recompile the kernel? |
| 05:23.48 | MustangMatt | mtnman: Thanks for all your helpful input. You're a real *ass*et to this channel :) |
| 05:23.52 | trend_ | or change bgrdfasdf grub/lilo |
| 05:24.00 | d0ugie | mustang: keep in mind if you want to webserve instead of only sambaing for your buddies, text porn is a big scene these days |
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| 05:24.13 | mtnman | mustangmatt: i suggested you read the docs which explain how to do what you ask. |
| 05:24.17 | d0ugie | he's gone |
| 05:24.25 | ke6isf | ...you missed. |
| 05:24.29 | d0ugie | i know. |
| 05:24.32 | cheal | !nv |
| 05:24.32 | dpkg | it has been said that nv is the X4's free video-driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or gForce), the cursed (non-free) one is nvidia, or nv does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX, or however nvidia's drivers do that |
| 05:24.33 | d0ugie | i've moved on |
| 05:24.36 | SuperTech | No this is one of my clients mail servers and they just turned it off one day and back on again and this happened, that was 8 days ago. |
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| 05:24.57 | cheal | !no, nv is the free X video driver for NVIDIA cards. it doesn't support 3D acceleration (while the driver called nvidia does). |
| 05:25.02 | JoshH | its geforce, not gforce |
| 05:25.05 | JoshH | minor detail, of course |
| 05:25.32 | d0ugie | do all the other freenoders realize that this is primarily the Debian irc server, at least in essence? |
| 05:25.39 | bob2 | it is? |
| 05:25.46 | cheal | I thought people would know if their card was an nvidia or not |
| 05:25.48 | d0ugie | (and literally, as it runs on debian i think) |
| 05:25.48 | trend_ | asdfasdfasdfasdf |
| 05:25.58 | SuperTech | What do I do |
| 05:26.01 | d0ugie | or "powered by debian" i mean |
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| 05:26.09 | f[a]ce | where can i read up on dri and glx etc? i endeavored to get some (ati) drivers up and running, and it turned out to be a huge frustrating mess. x_x |
| 05:26.17 | bob2 | d0ugie: freenode has a number of donated servers... |
| 05:26.21 | d0ugie | oh wait it's gentoo |
| 05:26.23 | d0ugie | fuck |
| 05:26.32 | trend_ | SuperTech: wierd.. I would say it isn't finding the kernel or hd.. can you boot single? |
| 05:26.36 | trend_ | or bootdisk it? |
| 05:26.37 | d0ugie | oh... round robin arrangement? |
| 05:26.48 | JoshH | pretty much all irc networks are like that |
| 05:26.52 | bob2 | yes |
| 05:26.56 | SuperTech | No I have tried a failsafe boot. To no avail |
| 05:26.58 | ke6isf | d0ugie: That's kind of how IRC works. |
| 05:26.59 | bob2 | d0ugie: "host irc.freenode.net" |
| 05:27.19 | d0ugie | six boxes |
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| 05:27.37 | d0ugie | i guess i just didn't appreciate the magnitude and needs of the freenode world |
| 05:27.39 | cheal | !tell f[a]ce about dri |
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| 05:28.33 | f[a]ce | ah, that's neat. thank you |
| 05:28.45 | d0ugie | but clearly the debian* channels combined stack the highest of the rest of the network |
| 05:28.45 | peterS | d0ugie: if you really want to be impressed, note that there are 5 machines named irc.us.freenode.net, 7 machines named irc.eu.freenode.net, one irc.au.freenode.net, and possibly others |
| 05:29.19 | d0ugie | damn... well it's cool people donated to save my ass hundreds of times |
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| 05:29.27 | SuperTech | I have gone into a grub command line. I can verify the kernel |
| 05:29.30 | bob2 | then gentoo channels are probably close, in total numbers of users |
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| 05:29.35 | peterS | d0ugie: yeah |
| 05:29.47 | d0ugie | without this channel i don't know where i'd be.. redhat technical support? yikes |
| 05:29.54 | f[a]ce | lol |
| 05:30.14 | peterS | d0ugie: I used to know at least one red hat user who came to #debian for help because even though we didn't know red hat linux, we still gave him better quality help than he could find elsewhere |
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| 05:30.24 | cheal | d0ugie: /msg chanserv list #gentoo* |
| 05:31.18 | d0ugie | peterS: i do that all the time for ware that is completely unrelated to debian other than the fact that i happen to be running debian.. when i don't get away with it, i try the compiling junkies' channel |
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| 05:31.43 | JoshH | ive had good help in this channel before, but the fact is this channel is notorious all over the net for being full of flaming and pricks. :P |
| 05:31.51 | peterS | d0ugie: heh |
| 05:32.11 | jedd | how do i force a re-create of the menu in kde (unstable branch, bog standard install) -- everything just disappeared on the latest apt-get upgrade .. ? |
| 05:32.20 | d0ugie | Woah josh. There are quite a few people here who keep things in line, albeit very angrily |
| 05:32.21 | jm_ | it is? it's rather friendly towards newbies/clueless/rude/... |
| 05:32.26 | bob2 | it's notorious for being full of pricks, but also for having very smart people |
| 05:32.29 | peterS | JoshH: it pretty much all depends on your attitude coming in. some people feel entitled to get their non-debian-related questions answered immediately and they often have bad experiences. some people are humble and patient and on-topic and they usually do ok |
| 05:32.35 | dfd | I try to do '/sbin/mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.6.11.12-grsec.img 2.6.11.12-grsec' and i get 'All of your loopback devices are in use.' |
| 05:32.46 | bob2 | some other channels have tried very hard to maintain politeness, but end up being useless due to a lack of useful people |
| 05:33.01 | bob2 | tho I'd hope for humanity's sake clue doesn't have to imply prickosity |
| 05:33.02 | jedd | Whereas it *should* say 'All of your loopback devices are belong to us' |
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| 05:33.11 | d0ugie | that may be true of other distro channels but this one's a little piece of heaven, my presence notwithstanding :P |
| 05:33.29 | streuner | bob2: pay better! |
| 05:33.31 | JoshH | ive seen mwilson specificaly mentioned in more than one post complaining about this channel, heh |
| 05:33.37 | jm_ | haha |
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| 05:34.07 | jedd | JoshH: I've seen one post where he wasn't specifically mentioned in that context. |
| 05:34.07 | d0ugie | i've collected help that would otherwise have costed me many thousands of NYC market-rate dollars, which I never had |
| 05:34.17 | aedwards | folks...with freeswan development stopped and ipsec in 2.6 kernel what is the better package for create vpn tunnels...openswan or strongswan? |
| 05:34.18 | JoshH | peterS: i pretty much agree, this channel does have it's share of rude people, but it also has more than it's fair share of retards |
| 05:34.19 | cheal | Honorable mention: #debian on irc.freenode.org |
| 05:34.23 | cheal | http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20050102.ars/2 |
| 05:34.23 | deadcat | should i just use procmail to keep know email domain names and put the rest in spam/ dir? |
| 05:34.31 | Coag | ERROR: QEMU requires SDL or Cocoa for graphical output << how would i go abotu fixing that? |
| 05:34.31 | SuperTech | My Grub sequence goes:Line 1: root (hd0,0):Line 2:kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686 root+/dev/hda1 ro:line 3:initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686:line 3:save default:line 4:boot |
| 05:34.32 | jm_ | aedwards: openvpn, but there are also other solutions |
| 05:34.39 | jedd | anyone .. ? how do i tell kde / debian (whoever is responsible, but i think it's debian) to rebuild my menus - everything disappeared from the main menu after a recent upgrade. |
| 05:34.45 | jm_ | SuperTech: it literally says "root+"? |
| 05:34.47 | Jamsi | I've had a user add a new domain to a hosting box. When someone sends mail to that address, they get a bounce msg - relaying denied. The sendmail folder has no relay-domains yet all other domains work fine - where can I look? |
| 05:34.47 | deadcat | From: "Chocolate Tasting Panel" <chocolate@epromotionsnetwork.com> From: "Chocolate Tasting Panel" <chocolate@yourcookinganswers.com> |
| 05:34.51 | bob2 | Coag: by not compiling qemu |
| 05:34.54 | peterS | cheal: user nominations mean so little because everyone's experience is different. true of any consumer ratings system (: |
| 05:35.01 | bob2 | cheal: I finally met the guy who wrote that article |
| 05:35.02 | Coag | bob2, now why would i do that? |
| 05:35.07 | bob2 | cheal: he thought I was going to hit him |
| 05:35.09 | SuperTech | any ideas why it would crash at init:versian 2.86 booting |
| 05:35.11 | d0ugie | i've yet to hear a question in here that is above the heads of everyone awake |
| 05:35.15 | cheal | bob2: hehehehe :) |
| 05:35.22 | bob2 | Coag: because it's not going to work until you install the build-deps |
| 05:35.27 | bob2 | Coag: sudo apt-get build-dep qemu |
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| 05:35.37 | cheal | peterS: ok, but it's still ars technica :) |
| 05:35.38 | aedwards | jm_ I want ipsec tunnels...not ssl ones. Any thoughts? |
| 05:35.40 | bob2 | jedd: #debian-kde might know more |
| 05:35.40 | JoshH | irc is good for quick help, but for real complicated issues, the mailing lists beat it hands down |
| 05:35.49 | jedd | bob2: taa .. will try there too. |
| 05:35.55 | bob2 | aedwards: 2.6 includes it's own ipsec, independant of *swan |
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| 05:36.09 | cheal | jedd: upgraded to which release? |
| 05:36.17 | aedwards | bob2 I still need the tools right? |
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| 05:36.35 | cheal | dpkg: #debian honorable mention is at http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20050102.ars/2 |
| 05:36.35 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
| 05:36.40 | d0ugie | JoshH: well if you can size someone up as trustworthy and bored you could get them on your box [with root] fixing shit up themselves, for hours if necessary |
| 05:36.45 | bob2 | aedwards: right, but you don't need *swan tools, afaik |
| 05:36.46 | Coag | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.tug.org binary/ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.tug.org_texlive_Debian_binary_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 05:36.51 | Coag | how do i get rid of that |
| 05:36.53 | jedd | cheal: unstable latest .. so .. uhm .. 3.3.2 of kde. |
| 05:37.01 | aedwards | Where do I get them to manage ipsec...I thought strongswan and openswan provided this. |
| 05:37.02 | bob2 | Coag: sudo apt-get update |
| 05:37.03 | Coag | i took that repo out of my sources.lst |
| 05:37.09 | Coag | and i ran apt-get update |
| 05:37.11 | jm_ | aedwards: tried www.ipsec-howto.org? |
| 05:37.13 | cheal | jedd: did you just got kdelibs 3.4? |
| 05:37.14 | Coag | still does it |
| 05:37.20 | bob2 | aedwards: ipsec-tools |
| 05:37.48 | JoshH | heh, i would never give someone from irc root on my box |
| 05:37.50 | aedwards | So I only need 2.6 and ipsec-tools package? |
| 05:38.02 | jm_ | yes |
| 05:38.05 | jm_ | read that howto |
| 05:38.05 | aedwards | thanks |
| 05:38.11 | SuperTech | Hello can anyone help me. |
| 05:38.12 | Daffy-PKF | yeaaaaaa, disk 20 :) finally |
| 05:38.34 | d0ugie | if i've routinely (every 2 days) apt update/graded from a 2 month old install, is it a lock bet that i got no wholes presuming i never installed or reconfigged anything (which isn't true, but theoretically with debian)? |
| 05:38.41 | bob2 | SuperTech: it sounds like it's time to ask somewhere else; e.g. the debian-user mailing list |
| 05:38.41 | jedd | cheal: nah - 3.3.2-7 for those .. ooh, what's this. kdelibs-data is at 3.4.2-1 .. that's odd. |
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| 05:38.55 | bob2 | d0ugie: of sarge? |
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| 05:39.06 | d0ugie | etch or sarge |
| 05:39.21 | Coag | bob2, how can i stop it |
| 05:39.26 | d0ugie | just asking not for me but to repeat to people i'm trying to get to make the jump |
| 05:39.27 | Coag | its wierd its not in my sources |
| 05:39.27 | jedd | cheal: it's a friends box that we recently installed .. i'm thinking about just banging 3.4 on there from experimental and be done with it. it's going to break, but what doesn't? |
| 05:39.45 | bob2 | Coag: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
| 05:39.55 | Coag | ok |
| 05:40.15 | cheal | jedd: not experimental KDE 3.4 for sure indeed |
| 05:40.18 | jm_ | you can simply ignore that error anyway |
| 05:40.19 | Coag | bob2, it seems i removed it but didnt save |
| 05:40.25 | jm_ | or rather a warning |
| 05:40.42 | peterS | go Daffy-PKF go |
| 05:40.50 | d0ugie | anybody ever sneak around your office/college late at night installing linux on every machine in sight, with WMs tweaked to look like MS and OO using .docs as default? maybe switching some icons and shortcut labels? |
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| 05:41.10 | peterS | d0ugie: that's lame |
| 05:41.27 | sparr_ | maybe i should put some money in my paypal acct, offer some $$ for anyone who can get mixing working for me |
| 05:41.37 | jedd | cheal: i run that on my box at home and it's really nice, but was wary about it for a less-debian-cognoscenti friend .. but i've had precious few problems with the exp/3.4 stuff (except when doing transparency with xorg .. which breaks every few minutes :( |
| 05:41.46 | d0ugie | peterS: Maybe, but the temptation's never crossed your mind? |
| 05:41.51 | streuner | sparr_: how much? |
| 05:42.12 | peterS | d0ugie: messing with computers you don't own and aren't being paid to fix is pure vandalism |
| 05:42.15 | d0ugie | sparr_: did you ask this a lot earlier and have someone tell you to install aumix? |
| 05:42.16 | sparr_ | streuner: i dunno, its proving to be a rather difficult problem. less than the cost of a new sound card for sure. |
| 05:42.22 | jm_ | sparr_: that same amount of money might buy you a card with hardware mixing |
| 05:42.27 | streuner | sparr_: if you want spent money to spr, nobody stops you :-) |
| 05:42.32 | jedd | d0ugie: it's more useful to convert servers over a weekend .. less people notice. |
| 05:42.33 | sparr_ | d0ugie: yes, i asked. no, i wasnt directed to aumix. /me looks up aumix |
| 05:42.47 | d0ugie | peterS: almost all of our basest natural instincts are illegal |
| 05:42.48 | sparr_ | jm_: yes, but i would then be contributing to the thousands of other people who have no mixing |
| 05:42.48 | streuner | sparr_: s/spent/donate/ |
| 05:43.02 | jm_ | sparr_: did you read about dmix? |
| 05:43.12 | c01100011 | d0ugie - no but i do leave knoppix disks in cdrom drives all the time in my highschool , i concider them presents |
| 05:43.13 | peterS | d0ugie: well, depends on her age |
| 05:43.18 | streuner | sparr_: laptop? |
| 05:43.35 | d0ugie | peterS: sounds like c01100011's got a good compromise |
| 05:43.40 | sparr_ | jm_: yes, and im using dmix. and it works great for aplay, alsaplayer, aoss+mpg123. but i cant get games, teamspeak, skype, etc to mix |
| 05:43.42 | sparr_ | streuner: no |
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| 05:43.59 | jm_ | sparr_: you need more configuration for OSS stuff |
| 05:44.05 | streuner | sparr_: get a emu10k1 for 10 buck at eBay |
| 05:44.12 | sparr_ | jm_: im well aware of that. ill settle for alsa for starters |
| 05:44.20 | Daffy-PKF | is there a way to list packages that comes from deps and that are not used anymore? |
| 05:44.22 | streuner | sparr_: problem solved |
| 05:44.34 | jm_ | sparr_: or try using alsa-oss |
| 05:44.38 | d0ugie | "If you're interested in sound, you shouldn't be running Debian." favorite quote :) |
| 05:44.47 | sparr_ | jm_: ignore oss for now |
| 05:45.00 | sparr_ | streuner: yeah, im looking at a cheap sblive too |
| 05:45.01 | jm_ | sparr_: why? I bet the apps that don't work use OSS interfaces |
| 05:45.07 | sparr_ | jm_: they dont |
| 05:45.15 | sparr_ | well, some do |
| 05:45.16 | sparr_ | some dont |
| 05:45.18 | sparr_ | some let me pick |
| 05:45.22 | amphi | Daffy-PKF: deborphan |
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| 05:45.35 | Daffy-PKF | amphi, great, thank you |
| 05:45.44 | d0ugie | Daffy-PKF: why woody? |
| 05:45.53 | sparr_ | id LIKE to get oss working |
| 05:45.58 | sparr_ | but ill settle for just alsa |
| 05:46.11 | liable | why would you want oss over alsa? |
| 05:46.13 | jm_ | mixing in OSS? buy good old sblive with emu10k1 and it'll work |
| 05:46.19 | Daffy-PKF | d0ugie, same old question? gonna upgrade to sarge as soon as possible trust me ;) |
| 05:46.38 | d0ugie | ... for trying xmms when all else (and all combinations) fail in kde? |
| 05:46.42 | bitshifty | does the quake2 debian package rely on xwindow? |
| 05:46.57 | d0ugie | Daffy-PKF: oh so you just happen only to have these particular disks? |
| 05:46.59 | liable | one would imagine.. |
| 05:47.02 | sparr_ | liable: because some programs only support oss |
| 05:47.03 | jm_ | bitshifty: no, just some libs related to X |
| 05:47.08 | sparr_ | jm_: like i said, just alsa first |
| 05:47.13 | sparr_ | ill get to oss if and when i get alsa working |
| 05:47.15 | liable | sparr_: thats what oss emulation is for. |
| 05:47.18 | jm_ | sparr_: ALSA has OSS support |
| 05:47.29 | d0ugie | Daffy-PKF: what are you using to irc now? |
| 05:47.29 | sparr_ | jm_: yes, so im hoping oss will fix itself when i get alsa mixing working |
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| 05:47.43 | Daffy-PKF | d0ugie, yes that's the point, first of all my sarge netinst cd don't work |
| 05:47.48 | jm_ | sparr_: ok, that tells me you don't have dmix configured at all :) |
| 05:47.53 | Daffy-PKF | d0ugie, lfs-livecd |
| 05:48.08 | d0ugie | how fast is your connection |
| 05:48.18 | bucky | does base-config let you choose the default audio handler like artsd or esound or auto ? |
| 05:48.26 | bitshifty | jim_ so it's possible to play it without installing xserver-xfree86, correct? |
| 05:48.39 | streuner | bucky: no |
| 05:48.41 | d0ugie | bucky: if it does, that's news to me |
| 05:48.42 | sparr_ | jm_: ive tried 'unconfigured' dmix (just throwing pcm.dsp into type dmix) |
| 05:48.51 | bucky | which config does tht |
| 05:48.57 | sparr_ | jm_: and ive tried *VERY* configured dmix, with thousand-line-long .asoundrc files |
| 05:49.00 | jm_ | sparr_: right, you'll need some more, "/msg dpkg dmix" for sample files |
| 05:49.04 | d0ugie | bucky modconf |
| 05:49.11 | jm_ | sparr_: default should work for ALSA |
| 05:49.13 | sparr_ | jm_: im up to 19+ .asoundrc examples tried |
| 05:49.29 | bucky | that's it.. i always choose auto and never have problems with audio |
| 05:49.30 | sparr_ | ranging in length from 8 lines to 1000+ lines |
| 05:49.34 | Coag | is there a repo that carries vmware? |
| 05:49.47 | streuner | Coag: are you crazy? |
| 05:49.50 | Coag | its legal to install it for free what you purchase is a key |
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| 05:50.03 | jm_ | bitshifty: if you're referring to me, the nick is jm_ - yes, you can play it like that, but then you'll need an X server running elsewhere |
| 05:50.10 | streuner | Coag: have fun with vmware ... ;-) |
| 05:50.11 | Coag | streuner, i was able to install it off of Fedora Core 3 through yum |
| 05:50.13 | ssm | Coag: I think you'll have to get that from vmware.com, you could ask them if they have an apt source for paying customers.... :D |
| 05:50.14 | ray_ | woooooooo hoooooooooo ........ i got debian installed with sound and 3d support |
| 05:50.19 | jm_ | bitshifty: or alternatively use another type of output (assuming quake2 supports it) |
| 05:50.29 | sparr_ | jm_: ok, let me attack this from a different angle... say i have an ALSA program running, is there any way i can find out why it has the device locked? what device its using, etc? |
| 05:50.31 | bitshifty | jm_, sorry i thought your nick was "jim_" haha |
| 05:50.34 | ray_ | where can i get mplayer? |
| 05:50.37 | d0ugie | lspci to determine your sound hardware, match it up with modconf, start from scratch with your X DM's pollution removed |
| 05:50.49 | streuner | ray_: /msg dpkg marillat, /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 05:50.50 | peterS | ray_: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 05:50.51 | d0ugie | pipe /dev/random into your speakers to test it |
| 05:51.07 | ray_ | thanks guys |
| 05:51.14 | peterS | d0ugie: /boot/vmlinux.* is a much better test case. ah, the sound of your kernel |
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| 05:51.26 | d0ugie | heh true |
| 05:51.43 | d0ugie | but urandom's good for the subversive types |
| 05:51.47 | peterS | d0ugie: or as someone once said, "lynx -dump http://slashdot.org > /dev/dsp" - the sound of slashdot |
| 05:52.07 | d0ugie | i'm sure it's beautiful |
| 05:52.22 | Coag | d0ugie, i actually blew out a set of cheap speakers with /dev/random |
| 05:52.28 | Coag | scared the shit out of me |
| 05:52.36 | peterS | d0ugie: considering the number of wankers on slashdot you'd think it would sound like repetitive pron music |
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| 05:52.42 | d0ugie | i wonder one in how many americans would get this kind of humor, having lynx dump slashdot into /dev/dsp |
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| 05:53.20 | aqua | how do i switch the version of gcc to use on my box |
| 05:53.28 | d0ugie | one in hundreds, maybe thousands? |
| 05:53.30 | aqua | right now all links point to 4.0 but i want them to go to 3.3 |
| 05:53.37 | peterS | aqua: ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 /usr/local/bin/gcc |
| 05:53.45 | peterS | aqua: that's by far the simplest way |
| 05:53.45 | aqua | peters; are you serious? |
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| 05:53.54 | Coke | aqua: best to use alterntives. |
| 05:53.55 | d0ugie | as cancer aqua |
| 05:53.59 | streuner | aqua: /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink |
| 05:54.03 | peterS | Coke: gcc doesn't use alternatives |
| 05:54.06 | bitshifty | is blackbox a wise choice for a desktop environment on my slow pentium 133mhz machine? |
| 05:54.08 | bucky | d0ugie, how do you dump the output of your mouse into /dev/dsp ? |
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| 05:54.17 | Coke | peterS: doesn't matter. |
| 05:54.19 | d0ugie | is this a test? |
| 05:54.22 | aqua | why cant they have a damn gcc_select like apple |
| 05:54.26 | bucky | i forget |
| 05:54.33 | tarzeau | hehe |
| 05:54.33 | rixth | nvidia one-liner |
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| 05:54.38 | songpenguin | hello |
| 05:54.38 | Coke | aqua: I use Debian alternatives for this. It's easy enough to install. |
| 05:54.47 | peterS | Coke: it does matter. a symlink in /usr/local/bin is a great deal easier. if gcc used alternatives, that would be the best way |
| 05:54.48 | d0ugie | gotta scroll up to things peterS and the others said to answer that, one sec |
| 05:54.49 | ke6isf | bitshifty: It's light, so if you don't want features, then yeah. |
| 05:54.51 | f[a]ce | bitshifty, fluxbox |
| 05:54.53 | d0ugie | pageup rather |
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| 05:55.17 | Coke | peterS: perhaps, but once you have installed your own alternatives for GCC it's quite usable. |
| 05:55.27 | d0ugie | tail -f /dev/mouse > /dev/dsp maybe? |
| 05:55.32 | rixth | bitshifty, I'd reccomend Openbox3 and fbpanel |
| 05:55.43 | peterS | Coke: I can't imagine how you could make it simpler than changing a symlink in /usr/local/bin |
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| 05:56.19 | bucky | letsee |
| 05:56.26 | Coke | peterS: you can't. alternatives isn't more simple, I just find it more usable. |
| 05:56.33 | bitshifty | what is the smallest version of *box? |
| 05:56.37 | d0ugie | bucky: or cat it? |
| 05:56.41 | peterS | bitshifty: busybox (: |
| 05:56.48 | d0ugie | no my guess is tail -f |
| 05:56.56 | songpenguin | bitshifty: I would say blackbox or openbox (just a guess) |
| 05:56.57 | peterS | of course, busybox isn't a window manager |
| 05:57.07 | songpenguin | lol |
| 05:57.18 | songpenguin | bitshifty: but IMHO fluxbox is the best ;-) |
| 05:57.25 | ray_ | marillat dont work if you have 2 pc's hooked up? |
| 05:57.33 | ray_ | i hate flus |
| 05:57.36 | ray_ | i hate flux |
| 05:57.38 | bitshifty | does blackbox include a window manager? |
| 05:57.44 | ke6isf | ray_: You mentioned that. =^^= |
| 05:57.46 | songpenguin | bitshifty: that's what it is :-) |
| 05:57.48 | peterS | blackbox *is* a window manager, no? |
| 05:57.51 | EdLin | bitshifty: matchbox is one of the smallest, but its intended for PDAs, not for PCs. |
| 05:57.53 | songpenguin | ray_: why not? |
| 05:58.05 | ray_ | songpenguin, its ooooooooglay |
| 05:58.10 | d0ugie | re simon |
| 05:58.15 | ray_ | songpenguin, its ok.......just not for me |
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| 05:58.33 | songpenguin | ray_: oh, yeah, the default is ugly, it takes some work. I like it because it gets the job done without getting in my way |
| 05:58.36 | crafteh | who has access to chmod a file? anyone with write access? |
| 05:58.48 | peterS | crafteh: you have to own the file, or be root |
| 05:58.49 | SimonRaven | i think i'll start saving up for that pismo.... |
| 05:58.59 | songpenguin | crafteh: I think it's only the owner |
| 05:59.04 | SimonRaven | new cmos battery, and it still locks up and the crc errors |
| 05:59.11 | peterS | crafteh: by "root" I mean CAP_SYS_ADMIN, probably |
| 05:59.15 | songpenguin | crafteh: or be root |
| 05:59.23 | d0ugie | crafteh: i think some "emulator" windows warez can set you up with a chmod-like thing in dos |
| 05:59.42 | crafteh | what if i am in the group that owns the file and I have write access? |
| 05:59.49 | peterS | crafteh: did you try it? |
| 05:59.49 | deadcat | how do i make procmail check for subject, and domain names with 1 rule? line1) :0 line2) *^From ..... line3) *^Subject ... ? |
| 05:59.51 | peterS | crafteh: what happened? |
| 05:59.55 | crafteh | yeah its not working, but someone said it would |
| 05:59.56 | aqua | WTF! |
| 05:59.59 | crafteh | :\ |
| 06:00.01 | peterS | crafteh: someone lied |
| 06:00.06 | d0ugie | aqua: ?!!!? |
| 06:00.14 | songpenguin | crafteh: nope, why don't you try |
| 06:00.15 | crafteh | so only the user who owns a file |
| 06:00.20 | crafteh | songpenguin i did |
| 06:00.27 | peterS | crafteh: that's what I said. and songpenguin said later. |
| 06:00.27 | d0ugie | yo CHILL aqua it's cool everything's cool honey |
| 06:00.30 | aqua | d0ugie; i cant compile checkpassword for qmail :/ |
| 06:00.44 | crafteh | peterS: i know.. |
| 06:01.01 | Coke | deadcat: try the regexps by piping test data through procmail |
| 06:01.01 | d0ugie | dude, do you have any idea how many people in here know how to do that (other than me)? ... A lot. |
| 06:01.13 | Coke | deadcat: or grep |
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| 06:01.25 | crafteh | is the *only* way to chmod a file if you are the user that owns it? |
| 06:01.26 | songpenguin | crafteh: if groups and "others" with write access could chmod it it would be a script kiddies dream come true! |
| 06:01.33 | crafteh | ah |
| 06:01.35 | bob2 | crafteh: or root |
| 06:01.39 | songpenguin | crafteh: or be root |
| 06:01.43 | crafteh | yeah i know that :) |
| 06:01.49 | songpenguin | crafteh: for obious reasons |
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| 06:02.06 | peterS | crafteh: it sounds like you still don't believe us. two of us gave you that exact answer a few minutes ago, now you're asking again |
| 06:02.09 | songpenguin | crafteh: or you can su or sudo |
| 06:02.26 | crafteh | I was clarifying |
| 06:02.28 | d0ugie | is $150 for colo for up to 3u w/ 2mbit/s bw cap a good deal? |
| 06:02.47 | crafteh | songpenguin: you said "I think it's only the owner" |
| 06:02.55 | streuner | d0ugie: URL? |
| 06:02.55 | Coke | aqua: how come you don't use the default MTA? |
| 06:03.03 | songpenguin | crafteh: make that I'm sure it's only the owner |
| 06:03.06 | crafteh | songpenguin: there is room for clarification there |
| 06:03.08 | JoshH | d0ugie: you could probably find better |
| 06:03.09 | d0ugie | streuner: that's a yes :)? lemme get you it |
| 06:03.15 | songpenguin | crafteh: and make that noone if you use somehting like SELinux |
| 06:03.33 | streuner | d0ugie: nope |
| 06:03.34 | songpenguin | muahaha |
| 06:03.48 | aqua | coke; cause i dont want that slow pos |
| 06:03.51 | d0ugie | streuner: vr.org/colocation/colocation-hosting-plans.html |
| 06:03.57 | songpenguin | SELinux, unusible desktops for everyone :-) |
| 06:04.05 | f[a]ce | lol' |
| 06:04.26 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.26 | peterS | / \ |
| 06:04.37 | songpenguin | (almost like windows but [much] more secure) |
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| 06:04.49 | ke6isf | !beer peterS |
| 06:04.54 | SimonRaven | w00t |
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| 06:05.42 | d0ugie | streuner: what do you think a fair price is for >_ 2mbits/s colo is and could you kindly point me in that direction? |
| 06:05.42 | songpenguin | TheGnome: gnomes are for desktops and lawns |
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| 06:06.16 | peterS | boing |
| 06:06.16 | jm_ | sparr_: lsof, strace |
| 06:06.30 | d0ugie | everybody ok? |
| 06:06.35 | songpenguin | I'm okay |
| 06:06.35 | f[a]ce | zelazny? as in roger? hmph |
| 06:06.41 | TheGnome | how do i add myself to the sudoers? |
| 06:06.48 | ke6isf | !visudo |
| 06:06.53 | TheGnome | ahh |
| 06:06.55 | TheGnome | thanks |
| 06:07.00 | TheGnome | thats the command |
| 06:07.14 | bob2 | !+sudoers |
| 06:07.18 | jm_ | deadcat: yes, man procmailex has examples for that |
| 06:07.51 | EdLin | Phillip K. Dick is the best SF writer, but imagine the freenode server name and realize they won't accept dick.freenode.net |
| 06:08.07 | Hazel | Somebody know what's up with the default installation mirrors about KDE installing? |
| 06:08.08 | sparr_ | jm_: if lsof says it has /dev/dsp open, its using oss? |
| 06:08.10 | streuner | d0ugie: http://vr.org/colocation/gentoo-colocation.html |
| 06:08.17 | bob2 | dpkg, sudoers is To give your user the ability to run arbitrary commands as root with sudo, add a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). |
| 06:08.17 | dpkg | bob2: okay |
| 06:08.18 | TheGnome | ok what do i add to add myself? |
| 06:08.20 | Daffy-PKF | how can i know what is the kind of ram in my box? i'm not sure what is it |
| 06:08.23 | TheGnome | ahh |
| 06:08.24 | TheGnome | thanks |
| 06:08.25 | d0ugie | sf as in sourceforge? |
| 06:08.39 | d0ugie | streuner: k, thanks |
| 06:08.52 | d0ugie | ... but gentoo... that could be a dealbreaker |
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| 06:09.06 | jm_ | sparr_: yes, that's OSS device |
| 06:09.20 | jm_ | sparr_: mind you, it might be ALSA that's handling it |
| 06:09.31 | f[a]ce | EdLin, heh |
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| 06:10.06 | Hazel | I have problems to install KDE in my PC. I installed debian with FloppyDisks and I can not install KDE using APT. Help please :) |
| 06:10.08 | songpenguin | I think I have a problem with ALSA, when I play movies or sound files they stutter, but theres nothing really impacting they system (cpu 30-60%) it doesn't happen in other distros |
| 06:10.31 | d0ugie | streuner: did you request a quote? |
| 06:10.39 | songpenguin | I'm pretty sure it has to do with the sound system |
| 06:10.48 | sparr_ | jm_: im sure alsa's handling it, since i dont have oss modules loaded, but the program shouldnt be using oss at all |
| 06:10.57 | ke6isf | Hazel: What are the symptoms? |
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| 06:11.20 | d0ugie | debian is especially perfect for the hearing-impaired community |
| 06:11.22 | ice_1963 | install synaptic Hazel then install kde |
| 06:11.29 | jm_ | songpenguin: are you using esd or artsd? |
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| 06:11.45 | Hazel | synaptic needs X... x) |
| 06:11.50 | songpenguin | jm_: neither |
| 06:11.55 | ice_1963 | yes |
| 06:11.57 | ke6isf | Hazel: Well, yes. |
| 06:12.08 | ke6isf | Hazel: What are the symptoms? |
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| 06:12.19 | jm_ | songpenguin: I've just read about stuttering on ALSA dmix page (/msg dpkg dmix) |
| 06:12.24 | Hazel | It needs a Packets what not will be installed |
| 06:12.36 | songpenguin | jm_ thanks |
| 06:12.37 | Hazel | *some |
| 06:12.45 | f[a]ce | woo |
| 06:12.48 | ke6isf | Hazel: You mean packages that will not be installed? |
| 06:12.49 | d0ugie | streuner: /ping streuner .... you there? |
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| 06:13.07 | TheGnome | where are all you guys from? |
| 06:13.21 | ke6isf | TheGnome: West coast. |
| 06:13.26 | ice_1963 | install x-window-system then KDE then KDM ok |
| 06:13.28 | Hazel | I'm from Spain |
| 06:13.32 | songpenguin | west coast too |
| 06:13.34 | TheGnome | ke6isf, u.s.? |
| 06:13.36 | songpenguin | US of A |
| 06:13.39 | ke6isf | TheGnome: Yes. |
| 06:13.53 | TheGnome | im in New Hampshire lol |
| 06:13.58 | ke6isf | ice_1963: I don't think there are mirrors in there yet. |
| 06:14.16 | ke6isf | Hazel: Have you selected a mirror to download packages from? |
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| 06:14.33 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 06:14.43 | Hazel | Yes, the Official Spanish mirror |
| 06:14.54 | Hazel | Well, One of them :) |
| 06:14.58 | ke6isf | Hazel: OK, and which version of Debian are you using? |
| 06:15.10 | Hazel | Debian unstable |
| 06:15.21 | ke6isf | ===:O |
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| 06:15.44 | TheGnome | how do i set up a shared printer? |
| 06:15.45 | Hazel | And have a second mirror. pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org |
| 06:15.54 | ke6isf | Hazel: Maybe verify your sources.list? |
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| 06:15.59 | aqua | ok |
| 06:16.00 | aqua | umm |
| 06:16.06 | aqua | wtf! |
| 06:16.08 | SimonRaven | i'm a wild bush indian (half-breed), in the middle of the city, yeh. not really bush, just raised city-folk, and like apt, i wish i knew (but learning :) |
| 06:16.41 | Hazel | The repository is correct |
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| 06:17.01 | bitshifty | can debian access a floppy disk formatted with FAT? |
| 06:17.07 | ke6isf | Hazel: OK. And it's saying it's failing because there are packages that are required yet not being installed? |
| 06:17.13 | Hazel | binarydigit, sure |
| 06:17.17 | SimonRaven | bitshifty: yes |
| 06:17.22 | bitshifty | hooray. |
| 06:17.23 | ke6isf | bitshifty: Look at mtools. |
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| 06:17.44 | ke6isf | bitshifty: It can do it natively, but mtools is a little friendlier with FAT. |
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| 06:18.04 | cld | hello:) how to set off logging to file/syslog in xinetd for some services ? |
| 06:18.05 | Hazel | Yes, ke6isf |
| 06:18.10 | SimonRaven | FAT isn't phat though ;p |
| 06:18.18 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: No, FAT kinda sucks. =^^= |
| 06:18.23 | Hazel | MiaO |
| 06:18.34 | SimonRaven | exactly my point :) |
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| 06:19.20 | ke6isf | How do I tell what source a package comes from (e.g, main, contrib, etc)? |
| 06:20.05 | Lumiere | how does one configure a maudio revolution 5.1 (ice 1724) in debian |
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| 06:20.37 | SimonRaven | apt-cache policy helps |
| 06:20.44 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Thanks, that's what I was looking for. |
| 06:20.58 | Coag | restart /usr/bin/vmware-config.plwith CC environment variable pointing to the "gcc" version "3.3.5". |
| 06:21.08 | Coag | how would i manage that? |
| 06:21.10 | ke6isf | Hazel: Have you tried 'apt-get install kde' by any chance? |
| 06:21.12 | SimonRaven | so do it |
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| 06:21.22 | SimonRaven | export CC=gcc-3.3 |
| 06:21.39 | jm_ | Lumiere: configure? you mean how to make use of it? |
| 06:21.42 | Hazel | ke6isf, yes |
| 06:21.55 | Lumiere | jm_: I have it installed |
| 06:21.57 | Lumiere | alsa sees it |
| 06:22.04 | jm_ | Lumiere: so what's the problem? |
| 06:22.04 | Lumiere | but I can't get anything to play to it |
| 06:22.12 | aqua | someone here running qmail tell me how i get it to use checkpassword |
| 06:22.19 | Lumiere | and I can't get the mixers to show me anything related to volumes |
| 06:22.20 | jm_ | did you set volume and unmute channels? is your user in group audio? |
| 06:22.29 | ke6isf | Hazel: Important question, is there a reason you're running sid? |
| 06:22.43 | TheGnome | i drag and drop themes in gnome but...... they are not there |
| 06:22.55 | Lumiere | I am in audio, and setting mute/unmute would only work if I had any channel related to volume in my mixer |
| 06:24.05 | jm_ | did you read the ALSA page related to ICE1724 chip? |
| 06:24.24 | Lumiere | yes |
| 06:24.29 | Lumiere | and that didn't help |
| 06:24.42 | d0ugie | streuner: back? |
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| 06:24.54 | TheGnome | anybody know how i can install gnome 2.10? |
| 06:25.40 | streuner | TheGnome: run testing/etch |
| 06:25.48 | sanxiyn | streuner: Are you sure? |
| 06:25.51 | streuner | d0ugie: ? |
| 06:25.53 | TheGnome | i am |
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| 06:26.05 | streuner | !info gnome-session etch |
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| 06:26.16 | Coag | umm |
| 06:26.17 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.0-5 (etch), Packaged size: 387 kB, Installed size: 1398 kB |
| 06:26.18 | Coag | wow |
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| 06:26.35 | sanxiyn | However, |
| 06:26.39 | sanxiyn | !info gnome-control-center etch |
| 06:26.41 | dpkg | gnome-control-center: (The GNOME Control Center for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.8.2-3 (etch), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 06:26.50 | Coag | i jstu accidentally rm -f /usr/bin/gcc and /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 |
| 06:27.13 | sanxiyn | streuner: Most of GNOME 2.10 not yet reached testing, AFAIK. |
| 06:27.21 | ke6isf | !lart Coag |
| 06:27.26 | Coag | yeah |
| 06:27.28 | jm_ | that's unusual, does it work for root? you can always try #alsa or ask on the mailing list |
| 06:27.39 | Coag | should i just apt-get remove gcc and reinstall it? |
| 06:27.52 | sanxiyn | Coag: reinstall. |
| 06:27.57 | ke6isf | Hazel: Also, you *are* attempting to install this as root, right? |
| 06:28.03 | Hazel | ke6isf, because i love antiquities but not in mi PC |
| 06:28.05 | sanxiyn | Coag: apt-get --reinstall install ... |
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| 06:28.13 | Hazel | right |
| 06:28.13 | Eclipser | install --reinstall :) |
| 06:28.27 | Hazel | ke6isf, right |
| 06:28.39 | Lumiere | jm_: #alsa is completely quiet |
| 06:28.45 | Lumiere | and I'll test as root again |
| 06:28.48 | ke6isf | Hazel: If you want current yet working stuff, you might be better off running etch. They call sid unstable for a reason, after all. |
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| 06:29.07 | sanxiyn | !tell Lumiere about they don't know |
| 06:29.11 | ke6isf | Hazel: Although... |
| 06:29.18 | Coag | ok now |
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| 06:29.28 | ke6isf | Hazel: have you tried installing xserver-xorg by any chance? |
| 06:29.31 | streuner | sanxiyn: You aren't helpful in this way you acting here |
| 06:29.32 | Coag | is rm -f the right format to get rid of the symlink? |
| 06:29.32 | Hazel | yes, i know, but i have done the same weeks ago and it worked |
| 06:29.43 | Hazel | ke6isf, yes |
| 06:29.44 | sparr_ | perhaps i should use OSS instead of ALSA, it seems to do mixing better |
| 06:29.44 | bob2 | Coag: no |
| 06:29.45 | Lumiere | sanxiyn: why don't you stop being an ass hole and read the scrollback before spamming me |
| 06:29.46 | bob2 | Coag: rm |
| 06:29.47 | ke6isf | Hazel: I'm out of ideas. Sorry. |
| 06:29.53 | sanxiyn | Sorry. |
| 06:29.55 | Hazel | ke6isf, i too |
| 06:29.57 | bob2 | sparr_: oss does no mixing at all, unless you have a sblive |
| 06:30.05 | Lumiere | jm_: it plays kinda as root |
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| 06:30.11 | Lumiere | but it is very very fuzzy |
| 06:30.28 | sanxiyn | Lumiere: I joined just before, and my scrollback shows none of your previous message. |
| 06:30.34 | Xi-Phazor | Some other cards work too |
| 06:30.41 | sanxiyn | Lumiere: Sorry anyway. |
| 06:31.02 | jm_ | Lumiere: does it show channels in mixer for root? |
| 06:31.10 | sparr_ | bob2: im finding info online that says otherwise |
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| 06:31.29 | bob2 | sparr_: e.g.? |
| 06:31.43 | jm_ | bob2: it depends on the driver/card - there may be some others that can do the same |
| 06:31.50 | bob2 | hmm, yeah |
| 06:31.56 | bob2 | but that works in alsa, too |
| 06:32.07 | Lumiere | sanxiyn: then it shows IEC958, IEC958 0, IEC958 1, Multi Track Internal Clock and a bunch of other stuff like that |
| 06:32.07 | jm_ | as long as the driver supports it, yes |
| 06:32.29 | jm_ | yes, multi track internal clock setting is important as explained on the ALSA page for ICE1724 chip |
| 06:32.41 | Lumiere | jm_: but that's ALL I see |
| 06:33.20 | Lumiere | and the internal clock is set to 44100 |
| 06:33.27 | jm_ | Lumiere: I have no experience with this chip, might be worth checking driver source to see if it lists the type(s) of mixer channels you should have |
| 06:33.37 | Lumiere | k |
| 06:34.02 | Lumiere | jm_: would "controlC0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1p timer" mean anything to you (ls /dev/snd/) |
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| 06:34.46 | ray_ | i cant get themes to work in gnome? |
| 06:35.48 | jm_ | Lumiere: not really, I am still using OSS so I have no reference to check right now |
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| 06:36.23 | streuner | d0ugie: Don't /msg me. |
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| 06:37.19 | Lumiere | ah |
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| 06:38.03 | d0ugie | streuner: won't do it again |
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| 06:39.10 | d0ugie | streuner: won't ask again for that info either, thanks for pointing me to the url |
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| 06:48.17 | ray_ | i just installed libgtk2.0-0 and it still sais i need gtk 2.0 or greater? |
| 06:48.48 | jm_ | who says so? |
| 06:48.59 | bob2 | presumably you're compiling something |
| 06:49.03 | bob2 | which wants the headers |
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| 06:49.08 | ray_ | yup |
| 06:49.08 | bob2 | and you forgot to install libgtk2.0-dev |
| 06:49.20 | ray_ | bob2, yup prob |
| 06:49.22 | ray_ | thanks |
| 06:49.52 | jm_ | heh |
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| 06:52.32 | deadcat | i am trying to allow only the following email domain (yahoo|hotmail|gmail) to go to mailbox. everything to $SPAM, how does the procmail line look like? its not working for me. )= |
| 06:53.12 | bob2 | as the From: line? |
| 06:53.17 | deadcat | bob2: ya |
| 06:53.47 | jm_ | show us the line |
| 06:54.06 | bob2 | :0 |
| 06:54.06 | deadcat | bob2: i have : * ^(From|Return-Path|Received):.*(gmail|yahoo).*\.(com|net|org) |
| 06:54.27 | deadcat | but i send stuff from freeshell and it still goes through. |
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| 06:55.07 | bob2 | that should match |
| 06:55.14 | bob2 | everything not matched goes to the default inbox, tho |
| 06:55.15 | jm_ | well do you have default rule that catches everything else? |
| 06:55.21 | d0ugie | that reminds me, does AOL offer regular pop/smtp service yet? until i can wine the aol client, i gotta stick to MS before i make the switch |
| 06:55.28 | d0ugie | j/k... |
| 06:55.29 | jm_ | otherwise procmail will write it to your default destination |
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| 06:56.02 | deadcat | bob2: everything doesnt match goes to the next rule. which is * to $MAILDIR/spam |
| 06:56.07 | sparr_ | I have dmix set up, apparenly, because aplay and alsaplayer can mix just fine. And ive got a game that is using /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p according to lsof. But the game locks my sound device. How do I get the game to mix? |
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| 06:56.50 | ray_ | so i installed gtk2.0 compiled clearlooks.......and i still cant use it |
| 06:56.58 | kismet | i'm getting an error on xserver start, number 8... |
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| 06:58.35 | d0ugie | bob2: I noticed that when an AOLer hits up my apache, the dozen requests for a single page come from a dozen different cache/proxy hosts. Do they do this to try to sort of cut in line on servers that are packed, serving people a few requests and then moving in line to the next IP, needing a handful of revolutions of request processing to satisfy one visitor's pageload, thereby enabling AOLers to cheat a server configged like this? |
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| 06:59.14 | kismet | 'Signal 8: Server aborting' along with some 'No Symbols Found' on libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o, _norm.o, _xform.o, _vertex.o |
| 06:59.17 | d0ugie | is that what's going on here? |
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| 06:59.43 | chewwie | hi, can someone lead me to the command(s) i need to do some packet sniffing on the local traffic |
| 06:59.51 | chewwie | where abouts do i go |
| 07:00.14 | d0ugie | i mean i like that commercial where at the end the brunette says "I smell cake" but that apache cheating is just mean, man |
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| 07:00.32 | ray_ | i have to set my timezone to alaska for it to be right........lol i live in NEW HAMPSHIRE |
| 07:00.43 | ray_ | can someone help me install themes |
| 07:00.52 | bob2 | deadcat: ah |
| 07:01.05 | bob2 | sparr_: you need to make dmix the default, as a first step |
| 07:01.10 | bob2 | sparr_: did you read the opensrc.org guide? |
| 07:01.21 | d0ugie | well i guess that's a question for #apache, n/m |
| 07:01.34 | bob2 | d0ugie: I'd guess they use some sort of pre-fetching proxy |
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| 07:01.55 | jm_ | sparr_: tried using it via aoss? you can force non-blocking open mode via /proc/asound/cardX/pcmY[cp]/oss file |
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| 07:02.06 | ray_ | how in the world do i install clearlooks |
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| 07:02.30 | deadcat | ray_: apt-get isntall |
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| 07:02.33 | d0ugie | well i watch apachetop .. things moving slowly in non peak hours.. suddenly bam 12 different aol hosts, most likely triggered by a single aoler, to proxy my page to the user |
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| 07:02.35 | bitshifty | hello |
| 07:02.38 | fidget | werd |
| 07:02.43 | fidget | clearlooks the theme? |
| 07:02.45 | sparr_ | jm_: aoss segfaults on anything complex. yes, i tried various settings in the proc/asound/card0/.../oss files |
| 07:02.47 | bitshifty | do i need to install anything to make blackbox works? |
| 07:02.49 | bitshifty | *work |
| 07:02.50 | samuel | how can i send messages to other computers on the network running linux? |
| 07:02.56 | bitshifty | any packages, that is |
| 07:03.07 | ray_ | fidget, yea |
| 07:03.12 | jm_ | sparr_: http://alsa-project.org/~iwai/OSS-Emulation.html |
| 07:03.17 | fidget | in gnome? |
| 07:03.18 | fidget | kde? |
| 07:03.24 | ray_ | fidget, gnome |
| 07:03.43 | fidget | ponders .... I'd have to switch over to gnome .... |
| 07:03.48 | sparr_ | jm_: yeah, lets ignore oss for now |
| 07:03.49 | bitshifty | in other words, do i need any packages installed to use blackbox? |
| 07:03.52 | jm_ | you can also pass nonblock to snd-pcm-oss module |
| 07:03.58 | jm_ | sparr_: are you sure the game is not using OSS? |
| 07:04.06 | ray_ | fidget, yeah it says just drag the theme in but.....it dont work |
| 07:04.08 | jm_ | sparr_: or rather your application, whatever it is |
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| 07:04.22 | sparr_ | jm_: /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p indicates non-oss, right? |
| 07:04.25 | fidget | you already hit up the faq on gnome.org? |
| 07:04.25 | d0ugie | i'm surprised no one's apparently noticed this and programmed a module to identify the clumps of different ip same domain requests as being from one user and affording that user the same bandwidth economizing as everyone else |
| 07:04.36 | d0ugie | really makes me want to deny them |
| 07:04.39 | zack_ | is there a way to cat every file in a directory, with recursion? |
| 07:04.49 | jm_ | sparr_: is it linked with ALSA libs? |
| 07:04.57 | ray_ | fidget, yeah.........i |
| 07:04.58 | jm_ | zack_: of course there's a way |
| 07:05.08 | zack_ | jm_, any tips? :) |
| 07:05.12 | fidget | k k ... i'll switch over ... hang on ray_ |
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| 07:05.32 | samuel | how can i send messages to other computers on the network running linux? |
| 07:05.33 | jm_ | zack_: find,xargs,cat, or cat + shell globbing |
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| 07:05.34 | sparr_ | jm_: /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 ? |
| 07:05.43 | jm_ | sparr_: is that from ldd? |
| 07:05.43 | zack_ | what's globbing? |
| 07:06.46 | sparr_ | jm_: no, its not linked to alsa libs |
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| 07:06.49 | sparr_ | or oss, for that matter |
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| 07:07.26 | d0ugie | samuel: ytalk's good, though not for global messages |
| 07:07.28 | Vinland | I recently found a rootkit on my server. I unplugged it to see what I could do and I noticed this process running. How do I get rid of it. I can't seem to find /www/mysql anything. Here is the process 'apache 6605 0.0 0.0 2264 996 ? R Aug17 0:00 /www/mysql/sql-bench/Results' |
| 07:07.43 | samuel | d0ugie, thanks |
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| 07:08.05 | bob2 | Vinland: if someoen got root, you need to reinstall |
| 07:08.10 | d0ugie | no prob sam |
| 07:08.24 | bob2 | that's not a Debian version of apache, tho |
| 07:08.30 | ray_ | this theme thing sucks |
| 07:08.36 | Vinland | bob2 - yeah I know. |
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| 07:08.46 | [Triffid] | Vinland: its quite possible to start a process and then delete all its files. they remain on the filesystem until the last filehandle is closed. |
| 07:08.50 | bitshifty | do i need any packages installed to use blackbox? |
| 07:08.55 | fidget | humm send me the file ray? I'll figure it out |
| 07:08.58 | d0ugie | Vinland: i offer my sympathies |
| 07:09.04 | fidget | or link |
| 07:09.07 | Vinland | I'm just trying to see what I can do, and also find out how this happened |
| 07:09.08 | bob2 | bitshifty: blackbox itself... |
| 07:09.11 | [Triffid] | Vinland: dd the partitions to files, reinstall and start forensic analysis |
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| 07:09.38 | jm_ | sparr_: apparently things like this work for well coded apps using ALSA libs |
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| 07:10.26 | Vinland | triffid - I acutally caught the person in the process of uploading the rootkit and apt-getting python. I still have the root kit, they even named it root kit |
| 07:10.27 | d0ugie | samuel: ytalk, unlike talk, can handle multiple realtime conversations so you could connect everybody party style and have that always on, maybe getting control G to make their machines beep to alert them to look at your global messages |
| 07:10.30 | jm_ | sparr_: perhaps you need to tell it to use different device (the one defined in your .asoundrc file) |
| 07:10.39 | fidget | ray_ have you a link to the download? |
| 07:10.50 | ray_ | fidget, sure hold on |
| 07:11.34 | ray_ | fidget, http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=19527 |
| 07:12.04 | fidget | ah ok ... |
| 07:12.31 | deadcat | bob2: can i /msg you the link to my procmailrc file? |
| 07:12.34 | fidget | applications > desktop prefs > theme |
| 07:12.44 | fidget | install theme > point to file |
| 07:12.48 | bob2 | deadcat: just about to head to dinner, sorry |
| 07:12.52 | fidget | then click theme details |
| 07:12.52 | ray_ | fidget, try it.........it dont work |
| 07:12.54 | deadcat | bob2: ok |
| 07:13.01 | fidget | then window border |
| 07:13.02 | deadcat | jm_: can i /msg you the procmailrc link? |
| 07:13.05 | fidget | then clearlooks ; P |
| 07:13.16 | fidget | points .. worked for me |
| 07:13.34 | rAz__ | hello is there a new way to setup aleczapka font on a debian ? |
| 07:13.34 | ray_ | fidget, damn............it worked for you |
| 07:13.53 | fidget | did you click theme details |
| 07:13.56 | fidget | and then window border? |
| 07:14.00 | fidget | because it didn't show up at first for me |
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| 07:14.22 | tarzeau | !qotd |
| 07:14.22 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". try qotd00 |
| 07:14.45 | ray_ | fidget, hmmmmm........wow ok it worked |
| 07:14.52 | ray_ | fidget, thanks |
| 07:15.01 | fidget | no prob =) |
| 07:15.08 | fidget | yay I actually helped someone score!!! |
| 07:15.55 | ray_ | fidget, ok.......but the original thing i tried was to install icon themes......and that just WONT work |
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| 07:16.11 | fidget | ah I remember that not working for me as well |
| 07:16.16 | fidget | you had to put it in the directory |
| 07:16.19 | fidget | and then it showed up |
| 07:16.25 | fidget | this is why I don't use gnome =/ |
| 07:16.44 | ray_ | fidget, in the .icons directory |
| 07:16.54 | ray_ | fidget, cus it is in there |
| 07:17.03 | fidget | ponders ... hang on |
| 07:17.12 | jm_ | deadcat: sure |
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| 07:17.52 | fidget | ray_ link? |
| 07:18.02 | fidget | to the icon download |
| 07:18.37 | ray_ | fidget |
| 07:18.39 | ray_ | fidget, k |
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| 07:19.00 | ray_ | http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=26448 |
| 07:19.20 | fidget | heh I get to make my desktop all pizazy while helping you =) |
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| 07:21.26 | fidget | humm |
| 07:21.28 | fidget | worked for me |
| 07:21.31 | fidget | did you untar them? |
| 07:21.35 | ray_ | fidget, yeah this icon theme is great |
| 07:21.42 | fidget | it's nice I like them |
| 07:22.15 | fidget | ray_ did you extract them or are they still a tar.gz file? |
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| 07:23.07 | peterS | olax: fwiw this is just about the least busy time of day for this channel |
| 07:23.21 | fidget | fwiw? |
| 07:23.29 | peterS | for what it's worth |
| 07:23.30 | fidget | ah for what its worth |
| 07:23.35 | fidget | heh .. hit me like a rock |
| 07:23.50 | ray_ | fidget, tar.gx |
| 07:23.52 | ray_ | fidget, tar.gz |
| 07:23.58 | kreg | anyone notice the idaho wireless ISP on /. today? |
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| 07:24.11 | peterS | oh dear, I didn't mean to do *that* |
| 07:24.13 | fidget | ah |
| 07:24.17 | fidget | copy that file into .icons |
| 07:24.20 | fidget | then right click |
| 07:24.23 | fidget | extract |
| 07:24.29 | fidget | extract here |
| 07:24.32 | fidget | excuse me .. |
| 07:24.34 | ray_ | ahh k |
| 07:24.38 | deadcat | !tell fidget about enter |
| 07:24.39 | fidget | then theme details |
| 07:24.44 | fidget | ? |
| 07:25.04 | fidget | sorry x.x |
| 07:25.08 | SimonRaven | aah, now i know why the modules puked |
| 07:25.15 | fidget | it's a very very bad habbit |
| 07:25.45 | deadcat | SimonRaven: want to take a look at my procmailrc file and figure why it isnt working? |
| 07:26.03 | ray_ | fidget, thanks............it worked |
| 07:26.17 | fidget | cool beans dude ... i'm off to bed later days |
| 07:26.19 | SimonRaven | i'm no procmail dude. barely used it |
| 07:26.30 | deadcat | ah |
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| 07:26.34 | deadcat | peterS: ? you? |
| 07:26.45 | [timmeh] | can anybody tell me how to use a proxy with wget? |
| 07:26.46 | jm_ | deadcat: paste it on some paste site |
| 07:26.51 | deadcat | jm_: ok |
| 07:26.58 | peterS | deadcat: I'm hardly a procmail expert but I'll glance at it. briefly tell us what isn't working, along with posting the file |
| 07:27.03 | SimonRaven | [timmeh]: man wget, wget --help | less |
| 07:27.09 | jm_ | [timmeh]: info wget |
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| 07:27.33 | bob2 | hint -P and http_proxy |
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| 07:27.48 | paster | "deadcat" at 66.245.216.10 pasted "procmail" (104 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/501 |
| 07:28.03 | SimonRaven | hmm might as well just rebuild this kernel and get the gccs matching |
| 07:28.13 | [timmeh] | wget --help | less dosent show, wget man listed 1000 thigns and i could only find --proxy=on/off |
| 07:28.16 | SimonRaven | be easier long-term |
| 07:28.22 | dondelelcaro | also, export HTTP_PROXY |
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| 07:29.06 | peterS | deadcat: it's a bit awkward to nest one maildir folder |
| 07:29.23 | peterS | deadcat: I mean nest maildir folders in each other, like you have $DEFAULT and then $DEFAULT/.... |
| 07:29.34 | mrgenixus | I used to have a /edv/input/mice, but now I have /dev/input/event2 and My mouse doesn't work in X? can someone explain what happened? |
| 07:29.42 | peterS | though I suppose it's not particularly *wrong* |
| 07:29.44 | bitshifty | how do i rename files in linux? |
| 07:29.59 | peterS | mrgenixus: how'd you get /dev/input/event2? these things don't just change themselves |
| 07:30.06 | SimonRaven | maildir you indicate it in procmail by using the $FOO/ format |
| 07:30.18 | mrgenixus | peterS: I don't know what I changed, |
| 07:30.20 | peterS | SimonRaven: he did |
| 07:30.23 | SimonRaven | otherwise you get unnecessary locking and other crap |
| 07:30.25 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 07:30.53 | mrgenixus | peterS: could changing from having gnome-core to gnome-desktop-environment affect this? |
| 07:31.01 | peterS | mrgenixus: I can't imagine how |
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| 07:31.14 | peterS | mrgenixus: anyway, 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' or 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' (depending on what you use) to change it back |
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| 07:31.23 | mrgenixus | peterS: ok, thanks |
| 07:31.37 | peterS | deadcat: I'm still waiting for your explanation for what is not working. are we just supposed to guess? |
| 07:31.59 | SimonRaven | yup |
| 07:32.12 | Raam | *cry* Someone please help... I wanted to remove my postfix installation and did an apt-get remove --purge postfix... only to discover it removed everything I had in regards to mysql... and I had 3 websites set up that each used a mysql database... |
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| 07:32.36 | Raam | no mysql server, mysqld or anything |
| 07:32.39 | Raam | what to do? |
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| 07:32.53 | Raam | I did a apt-get install mysql-server |
| 07:32.55 | SimonRaven | uh, easier to just install another mta than do a --purge.. well you could but you can do something like: |
| 07:32.58 | Raam | but mysqld doesn't install |
| 07:32.59 | deadcat | peterS: i send email from some domain name. i only want to save emails say from freeshell|gmail|yahoo and forward them to freeshell.org, everything else to $SPAM |
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| 07:33.11 | Raam | mta? |
| 07:33.12 | SimonRaven | apt-get --purge install some-other-mta postfix- |
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| 07:33.21 | SimonRaven | @mta |
| 07:33.22 | ravenbird | rumour has it, mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
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| 07:33.35 | SimonRaven | eh |
| 07:33.39 | peterS | deadcat: your procmailrc doesn't really reflect this. it keeps everything from *.edu and *.org |
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| 07:33.56 | peterS | @mta = |
| 07:34.03 | peterS | @mta =~ s/zmail/zmailer/ |
| 07:34.03 | ravenbird | peterS: OK |
| 07:34.05 | deadcat | peterS: ya. but i am sending stuff from linuxserver27.com and it still goes through |
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| 07:34.09 | Raam | SimonRaven - Im a beginner with linux, so you will have to tell it to me as if I was a 4 year old |
| 07:34.19 | jkaufman | good morning everyone |
| 07:34.20 | Raam | What do I do to get my mysql up and running again |
| 07:34.33 | peterS | deadcat: try removing the empty "*" line after :: EVERYTHING ELSE :: |
| 07:34.34 | bitshifty | how do i rename files in linux? |
| 07:34.36 | deadcat | Raam: install it |
| 07:34.39 | peterS | bitshifty: mv |
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| 07:34.46 | deadcat | peterS: oh. then where will everything go? |
| 07:34.49 | SimonRaven | @mta =~ s/zmail/zmailer/ |
| 07:34.49 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: OK |
| 07:34.58 | peterS | deadcat: SPAM/ |
| 07:35.02 | [timmeh] | can someoen please tell me the command to setup a proxy for wget? im loking through the man files etc and cant find it |
| 07:35.02 | deadcat | peterS: oh |
| 07:35.03 | Raam | deadcat : which packages? |
| 07:35.07 | peterS | deadcat: that's your intent anyway, but I don't know what the empty * line does |
| 07:35.23 | deadcat | Raam: guess |
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| 07:35.45 | olax | Raam, if it is an ext2 or ext3 partition, i suggest you unmount it now and use knoppix or some other livecd to mount it read-only (you don't want to write to the partition) then use e2undel or recover (both in debian and i believe both are in knoppix) to recover the databases |
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| 07:35.53 | aqua | how do i remove a package that has dependents |
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| 07:36.02 | Raam | ext2 |
| 07:36.25 | Raam | I tried to do a apt-get install mysqld but no package with that name |
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| 07:36.39 | Raam | and if I lose these 3 websites... Im gonna go ballistic |
| 07:36.44 | yaarg | aqua: you have to reformat your HD afaik |
| 07:36.45 | aqua | raam; mysql-server-4.1 i think |
| 07:36.49 | peterS | aqua: aptitude remove |
| 07:36.50 | aqua | yaarg; stfu |
| 07:37.01 | Raam | aqua: I tried that.. but that didn't install mysqld |
| 07:37.02 | defcon8 | Raam, you have topress alt+f4 |
| 07:37.02 | defcon8 | lol |
| 07:37.03 | yaarg | :o |
| 07:37.06 | Raam | funnie Ferret |
| 07:37.14 | Raam | funnie defcon8 |
| 07:37.40 | aqua | wow |
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| 07:37.45 | aqua | aptitude fuckin rules |
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| 07:37.55 | aqua | raam; umm yeah huh |
| 07:37.59 | aqua | raam; it did for me just fine |
| 07:38.09 | Raam | aqua : I have install mysql-server-4.1, but.. uhmmm.. mysqld doesn't exist... |
| 07:38.13 | Raam | hrmm |
| 07:38.14 | Raam | odd |
| 07:38.26 | aqua | raam; use /etc/init.d/mysql-server or whatever it is |
| 07:38.31 | shmloe | How do I install "workstation" packages? I remeber when I first installed debian it display that screen to install 'WORKSTATION, HTTPD, MYSQLD ...', how do I get it back? |
| 07:38.32 | dimir | Morning. |
| 07:38.42 | jm_ | shmloe: tasksel |
| 07:38.46 | shmloe | jm_: thx |
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| 07:39.39 | amphi | Raam: /usr/sbin/mysqld doesn't exist? |
| 07:40.33 | peterS | amphi: vt4 is special because that's where I always put my screen session containing the irc client |
| 07:40.46 | aqua | i done fucked this box |
| 07:41.07 | Raam | Oh boy oh boy oh boy.. it works now aqua... thank you SO much for your help.. that apt-get install --purge mysql-server-4.1 fixed it |
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| 07:41.43 | amphi | peterS: uhuh - VT6 here ;) |
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| 07:42.44 | cajetanus | hello |
| 07:42.51 | Coag | uhh what is a command to take an iso of a cd |
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| 07:42.55 | bibe | hi cajetanus |
| 07:43.05 | amphi | Coag: mkisofs ;) |
| 07:43.18 | cajetanus | I need some advice |
| 07:43.30 | cajetanus | I am looking to install linux on three office computers |
| 07:43.37 | cajetanus | They are currently running Windows 2000 |
| 07:43.49 | SimonRaven | linux would be an upgrade |
| 07:43.54 | cajetanus | Would like to make a quick transition to linux, but not make everyone unhappy |
| 07:44.05 | cajetanus | I heard a lot about Debian |
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| 07:44.14 | SimonRaven | stick kde in front of them and make 'em happy |
| 07:44.15 | cajetanus | But I was wondering how the support groups work |
| 07:44.18 | rixth | !tell cajetanus about install debian |
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| 07:44.39 | Coag | amphi, how so O.O |
| 07:44.40 | rixth | cajetanus, we're a support group :) |
| 07:44.42 | cajetanus | I have installed debian on a machine a long time ago. Was happy with it. |
| 07:44.56 | SimonRaven | we like it ;) |
| 07:44.58 | cajetanus | However, I worry about printing, and things like that |
| 07:45.02 | fidget | hah |
| 07:45.07 | amphi | Coag: oh, sorry, misunderstood - dd or cp |
| 07:45.09 | SimonRaven | cups |
| 07:45.18 | SimonRaven | cups works nice with IPP |
| 07:45.21 | cajetanus | Yes, but can I print booklets and things like that? |
| 07:45.40 | cajetanus | We have a Konica 1650 MX. Very nice machine - FAX/Scanner/printer |
| 07:45.41 | Coag | hmm so cp /mnt/cdrom/* /home/coag/windowsxp.iso |
| 07:45.42 | rixth | cajetanus, with the right software, yes |
| 07:46.03 | fidget | you could always try something debian based like .. ubuntu if your just starting out |
| 07:46.04 | SimonRaven | what says you can't? |
| 07:46.08 | cajetanus | Good. How about something like Indesign? |
| 07:46.30 | amphi | Coag: no - try dd if=/dev/hdX of=foo.iso |
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| 07:46.36 | SimonRaven | no idea what that is |
| 07:46.36 | cajetanus | I would be the only using this though. The others just need Microsoft Word. |
| 07:46.44 | Pumpkin_ | hey how can I tell on a remote machine if the console is still logged in? |
| 07:47.08 | cajetanus | Are there support forums for Debian? Or just mailing lists? |
| 07:47.12 | olax | Pumpkin_, the commands "who" and "w" |
| 07:47.30 | SimonRaven | look for /dev/ttyX still open in 'who' or 'w' |
| 07:47.32 | amphi | Pumpkin_: or whowatch |
| 07:47.42 | Pumpkin_ | ttyX ? |
| 07:47.43 | Coag | amphi thanks, but im not hearing any activity form my cdrom after that |
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| 07:48.01 | cajetanus | For instance, I liked the Support Forums at Gentoo. They were very helpful |
| 07:48.04 | Pumpkin_ | I only see pts |
| 07:48.06 | liable | how to stop exim4 querying dns at start up? only local mail. |
| 07:48.07 | SimonRaven | X being a number |
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| 07:48.21 | cajetanus | But I think Gentoo would be too much for the other people. |
| 07:48.28 | SimonRaven | pts/X will be a term like xterm or similar |
| 07:48.36 | Pumpkin_ | ok |
| 07:48.44 | amphi | Coag: replace /dev/hdX with whatever yr cd drive is, eg. /dev/hdc |
| 07:48.50 | Coag | yeah i did :) |
| 07:48.53 | Coag | its hanging though |
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| 07:49.13 | Coag | and im nto see activity or hearing activity from the cdrom |
| 07:49.20 | amphi | Coag: foo.iso is not being written? |
| 07:49.26 | Coag | i wouldnt know |
| 07:49.42 | Coag | doesnt seem liek it |
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| 07:50.22 | Coag | its jsut haning there doing nothing |
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| 07:50.44 | DeadLine | hi there im having problems getting xfree86 running on an asus laptop, ati radeon mobility graphics, lcd display (ofcourse), the error keeps saying 'no screens found'. please dont tell me about dpkg-reconfigure. any serious help would be appreciated. |
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| 07:52.16 | fidget | ... whaa crt? |
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| 07:52.23 | sep | 'luggable' |
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| 07:52.29 | DeadLine | i want to add: the error exactly is NO DEVICES DETECTED, FATAL...NO SCREENS FOUND |
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| 07:52.44 | scree | Hello; is it possible to change the background color of the vga console? |
| 07:52.48 | sep | defcon8, your a good person! |
| 07:52.59 | fidget | goes and looks up this ... c64 |
| 07:52.59 | defcon8 | yeah mabn |
| 07:53.02 | Coag | amphi, i cant even ctrl+c out |
| 07:53.03 | defcon8 | musta been all lonely |
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| 07:53.04 | scree | Without framebuffer that is. |
| 07:53.37 | DeadLine | ok thats all nice about commodore, but is there anyone who can help seriously? |
| 07:53.37 | sep | fidget, http://oldcomputers.net/sx64.html |
| 07:53.53 | fidget | http://oldcomputers.net/sx64.html |
| 07:54.00 | fidget | ah crap . |
| 07:54.04 | fidget | sorry thanks though =) |
| 07:54.11 | sep | DeadLin, in dpkg-reconfigure you select ati as driver ? |
| 07:54.32 | amphi | Coag: how curious |
| 07:54.37 | Coag | yeah |
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| 07:54.46 | fidget | hah that thing is sweet! |
| 07:54.54 | fidget | hits* |
| 07:54.59 | ttl_work | hi everybody |
| 07:55.00 | DeadLine | sep: yes |
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| 07:55.38 | scree | Anyone? |
| 07:56.04 | sep | DeadLine, and you have never touched the config file manually ? |
| 07:56.12 | Boukensya | hey guys. I have a directory of config files and I need webaliser to load all of them with one command. so "webalizer -c *" but that doesn't work. how would I do it? |
| 07:56.16 | ttl_work | is there a known problem with sed in debian sarge, it seems i can not remove white at the beginning and end of lines in textfiles |
| 07:56.35 | ttl_work | it is driving me crazy for a couple of hours now |
| 07:56.38 | DeadLine | sep: i tried after the failures |
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| 07:57.21 | Coag | amphi, could the problem be that it is mounted? |
| 07:57.44 | DeadLine | thats all help i can get? |
| 07:57.45 | Boukensya | its just a little bit of scripting, not related to webalizer |
| 07:57.52 | DeadLine | lol |
| 07:58.06 | sep | DeadLine, well ususaly we'd tell you to dpkg-reconfigure you you specificaly said you didnt want that. |
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| 07:58.14 | sep | DeadLine, :P |
| 07:58.40 | TheGnome | how do i get things to go into the system tray? |
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| 07:59.01 | fidget | right click add to system tray? |
| 07:59.25 | TheGnome | not panel.....system tray |
| 07:59.26 | DeadLine | sep: i dont want it because it does not succeed in my case and because i know that solution for years already |
| 07:59.37 | fidget | ahh |
| 07:59.40 | sep | DeadLine, but if i have problems with screen output i usualy. try with vesa and low res to see if that works, then i swap to the driver i want to use still on low res too see if that work, then i up the resolution to what i need it at |
| 07:59.42 | fidget | what program? |
| 07:59.46 | TheGnome | gaim |
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| 07:59.57 | TheGnome | i want it to close to system tray |
| 08:00.07 | fidget | preferences > plugins > and check the system tray one |
| 08:00.19 | DeadLine | sep: tried all that, but still stuck at same problems |
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| 08:00.31 | Boukensya | so anyone know how to script like that? |
| 08:00.34 | sep | DeadLine, even vesa with 640x480 dont work |
| 08:00.59 | SuperTech | My Kernel is vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686. What version of debian do I need to download to create a rescue boot. |
| 08:01.11 | sep | DeadLine, are you sure your dpkg-reconfigure writes the canges to the file ? |
| 08:01.16 | vorsprung | Boukensya, for i in *; do webalizer -c "$i";done |
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| 08:01.26 | TheGnome | fidget, your the man |
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| 08:01.35 | Boukensya | awesome great thanks heaps vorsprung |
| 08:01.38 | fidget | eh I don't like to brag .. but yes .. yes I am |
| 08:01.40 | sep | !xmd5 |
| 08:01.40 | fidget | and so modest! |
| 08:01.40 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 08:01.49 | streuner | SuperTech: your question make no sense at all |
| 08:01.53 | ttl_work | i tried sed 's/^[ ^t]*//;s/[ ^]*$//' file and the output seems to be the same as the original file |
| 08:02.08 | DeadLine | sep: yes i am, its creating new ones, after i remove the old |
| 08:02.17 | Coag | amphi, seems to be a hardware issue actually |
| 08:02.20 | SuperTech | How do I find what version of debian is installed when I can't boot all the way into linux |
| 08:02.21 | streuner | SuperTech: so you need a rescue boot floppy? |
| 08:02.29 | jm_ | ttl_work: use [:space:] to match white-space characters |
| 08:02.38 | sep | DeadLine, then i dont know, i'v never seen vesa not work with lowres. |
| 08:02.41 | streuner | SuperTech: How did you install debian? |
| 08:03.04 | streuner | SuperTech: or better HOW did you try it? |
| 08:03.06 | SuperTech | I didn't install it. A previous tech installed it and stole the disks and skipped state. |
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| 08:03.15 | DeadLine | sep: ok thanks for reply anyway |
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| 08:03.32 | sep | DeadLine, i guess it's different with laptops, since you have lcd screen, and it require a spesific resolution to work. sounds like you need to look at the monitor settings of dpkg-reconfigure |
| 08:03.38 | CptS | Hi, How do i remove all sound support and modules (using Knoppix 4.0, 2.6.11 kernel, alsa 1.0.9a) ? |
| 08:03.56 | mwilson | CptS: #knoppix |
| 08:04.07 | sep | DeadLine, exact laptop model ? |
| 08:04.31 | SuperTech | I need to know what version to download so that I can use the first boot cd to start a rescue boot. |
| 08:04.31 | CptS | mwilson: I have knoppix hdd installed (it's debian based...) |
| 08:04.41 | mwilson | CptS: So? #knoppix |
| 08:04.51 | DeadLine | sep: asus a3000 |
| 08:04.55 | streuner | SuperTech: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:04.56 | Coag | CptS, youll get better more knoppix specific help there |
| 08:04.58 | mwilson | !tell cpts about debian-based |
| 08:05.13 | CptS | mwilson: the process should be the same, and #knoppix is kinda dead.... no support there. |
| 08:05.33 | SuperTech | I can't get it to boot. It locks up at init: version 2.68 booting |
| 08:05.45 | mwilson | Why "should" the process be the same? What familiarity do you have with how Knoppix is put together than would lead you to believe that? |
| 08:06.04 | streuner | SuperTech: Do you have a floppy? |
| 08:06.17 | SuperTech | Not for that system |
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| 08:06.33 | sep | DeadLine, hrmf http://lumumba.uhasselt.be/~saki/linux/Asus-A3000.html this is the review about your laptop, but it dosnt help much im afraid... |
| 08:06.40 | CptS | mwilson: nevermind, it should be a basic thing.. not something that complicated... thanks anyway... |
| 08:06.43 | SuperTech | All I have is the system, no disks. |
| 08:06.48 | SuperTech | No docs |
| 08:06.50 | fidget | no need to be catty about it mwilson |
| 08:06.52 | streuner | SuperTech: get sarge's CD 1 or get a live CD (knoppix) |
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| 08:07.16 | torc_ | is it possible to "profile" a program somehow without any special compile options? |
| 08:07.23 | SuperTech | Tried sarge it didn't work |
| 08:07.38 | SuperTech | haven't tried knoppix live cd |
| 08:07.42 | streuner | SuperTech: which bit didn't work for you? |
| 08:07.48 | mwilson | CptS: There's that "should" again. If you know how it "should" be, then obviously you already know how to accomplish whatever it is that you're trying to do. I'm sorry that you're unlucky enough to be using Knoppix, but that's the way it is. |
| 08:08.14 | DeadLine | sep: no, there seems to be a non standard card in the box |
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| 08:08.23 | ttl_work | jm_: sed 's/[:space:]//' file.txt removes the letter s,p,a,c,e from the file |
| 08:08.29 | ttl_work | letters* |
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| 08:08.37 | jm_ | torc47816: in what way? |
| 08:08.37 | SuperTech | I was told to start a rescue boot. when the boot: shows up to enter " rescue root=/dev/hda1 3 |
| 08:08.40 | sep | DeadLine, your lspci differs from the one listed there ? |
| 08:08.50 | jm_ | ttl_work: that's because you use it like [[:space:]] |
| 08:08.51 | torc_ | jm_: see how much resources it used. |
| 08:09.08 | jm_ | torc_: what resources? |
| 08:09.15 | torc_ | jm_: memory. |
| 08:09.24 | streuner | SuperTech: Did you read ig? |
| 08:09.26 | streuner | !ig |
| 08:09.27 | dpkg | somebody said ig was for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 08:09.49 | jm_ | torc_: malloc debuggers |
| 08:09.52 | SuperTech | What is ig |
| 08:09.55 | ttl_work | jm_: sed 's/[[:space:]]//' does not remove anything from the file |
| 08:10.04 | torc_ | jm_: any package available for these? |
| 08:10.19 | ttl_work | i'm getting crazy i think |
| 08:10.26 | streuner | SuperTech: install guide, see what dpkg told you |
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| 08:10.36 | streuner | !tell SuperTech about ig |
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| 08:10.53 | DeadLine | sep: hold on i think i have found the problem |
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| 08:11.09 | ttl_work | jm_: it seems sed does not understand [:space:] |
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| 08:11.32 | SuperTech | ok brb |
| 08:11.42 | TheGnome | how can i install kde 3.4.2 |
| 08:11.43 | TheGnome | ? |
| 08:11.58 | DeadLine | TheGnome: dont:) |
| 08:12.11 | TheGnome | DeadLine, uhh......no |
| 08:12.29 | streuner | TheGnome: ask #debian-kde |
| 08:12.51 | nagual | TheGnome: tasksel makes it easy |
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| 08:15.06 | ttl_work | does anybody know how to use sed to remove whitespace from the beginning and ending of lines |
| 08:15.55 | ttl_work | it seems not to accept [:space:] |
| 08:15.59 | ttl_work | dunno why |
| 08:16.50 | inu | sure it does |
| 08:17.20 | DeadLine | what mouse device should i normally use for a laptop touchpad? |
| 08:17.49 | bibe | DeadLine : /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice |
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| 08:18.58 | cahoot | ttl_work: www.ptug/sed/sedfaq.html |
| 08:19.16 | TheGnome | kde or gnome guys? |
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| 08:19.56 | jm_ | torc_: valgrind is nice |
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| 08:20.03 | jm_ | ttl_work: yes it does |
| 08:20.07 | torc_ | jm_: yeah, thanks :) |
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| 08:20.39 | cahoot | ttl_work: www.ptug/sed/sedfaq.html says: sed 's/^[^t]*//;s/[ ^]*$//' file |
| 08:20.42 | jm_ | ttl_work: echo ' a b c '|sed -e 's/^[[:space:]]*//;s/[[:space:]]*$//' |
| 08:20.47 | poonj | hey guys |
| 08:20.53 | poonj | does samba support SMS services? |
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| 08:21.05 | jm_ | torc_: there are also many more, valgrind's limitation is that's x86 only |
| 08:21.18 | torc_ | jm_: valgrind3 is ppc32 also. |
| 08:21.28 | jm_ | torc_: ahh nice, didn't know that |
| 08:21.41 | torc_ | jm_: i just thought that there should be some tiny stock tool for that :) |
| 08:21.50 | torc_ | jm_: similar to strace :) |
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| 08:22.04 | jm_ | torc_: glibc has malloc debugging too if it helps |
| 08:22.24 | torc_ | jm_: will check that also, thanks. |
| 08:22.33 | ttl_work | cahoot: remove all content of the file |
| 08:22.40 | cahoot | ttl_work: err - sed 's/^[ ^t]*//;s/[ ^]*$//' file |
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| 08:22.54 | ttl_work | jm_: $ echo ' a b c '|sed -e 's/^[[:space:]]*//;s/[[:space:]]*$//' |
| 08:22.55 | ttl_work | a b c |
| 08:23.59 | ttl_work | sed 's/^[ ^t]*//;s/[ ^]*$//' file does not remove anything |
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| 08:24.12 | ttl_work | cahoot: *^ |
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| 08:24.56 | jm_ | ttl_work: you need to learn how to use sed |
| 08:25.10 | ttl_work | jm_: i try to cat the file to it |
| 08:25.18 | Ydef | sed is for dinosaurs |
| 08:25.25 | jm_ | ttl_work: check what -i means |
| 08:25.26 | Ydef | :) |
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| 08:26.13 | ttl_work | cat file.txt |sed -e 's/^[[:space:]]*//;s/[[:space:]]*$//' seems to work |
| 08:26.35 | ttl_work | jm_: sed -e 's/^[[:space:]]*//;s/[[:space:]]*$//' file.txt not |
| 08:26.59 | jm_ | ttl_work: this is the last thing I will say on the subject - man sed, read about -i |
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| 08:28.19 | peterS | UUOC |
| 08:28.21 | ttl_work | jm_: i'm reading it |
| 08:28.26 | ttl_work | jm_: thanks |
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| 08:28.41 | jm_ | ttl_work: np |
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| 08:36.08 | leminhteo | hi all |
| 08:36.22 | bibe | hi leminhteo |
| 08:36.41 | leminhteo | i want to know what hacker do with my pc |
| 08:36.49 | leminhteo | what do i need to do |
| 08:38.04 | petemc | leminhteo: get it off the network, firstly |
| 08:38.15 | Mage\work | leminhteo: switch off |
| 08:38.21 | umbop | remove from network, check logs, check processes, get somehting like rkhunter, check init scripts etc |
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| 08:39.56 | leminhteo | ok |
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| 08:40.39 | leminhteo | can i install some programe automatic do it |
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| 08:41.07 | Sonderblade | how do you check which version of a deb you have installed? |
| 08:41.34 | Eclipser | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 08:41.38 | sep | Sonderblade, man dpkg |
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| 08:41.44 | Eclipser | ah |
| 08:41.49 | Eclipser | umh yeah :) |
| 08:41.55 | sep | Sonderblade, read about the -l |
| 08:42.44 | leminhteo | can i setup log server for linux |
| 08:42.56 | DeadLine | what line do i have to add to XF86Config to get the "de" layout in X ? |
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| 08:43.50 | huck_finn | to get a soundblaster live 24bit card working do I need to recompile the kernel? If so, does anyone know of a good howto for me to follow? |
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| 08:44.19 | songpenguin | huck_finn: I don't think you need to recompile |
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| 08:44.22 | bibe | leminhteo : rkhunter and chkrootkit for rootkit detection, then use the remote logging feature for the new installation (i hope you will reinstall the machine when you have discovered the problem) |
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| 08:44.54 | bibe | DeadLine : Option "XkbLayout" "de" |
| 08:44.55 | huck_finn | songpenguin: it would be great if I didn't, but I've installed alsa-base per another howto, and it's not working |
| 08:44.59 | songpenguin | huck_finn: but if you do ask dpkg about kernel-package |
| 08:45.14 | songpenguin | huck_finn: you might have to load a module |
| 08:45.26 | bibe | DeadLine : you can also dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:45.33 | huck_finn | songpenguin: ok, i'll start googling |
| 08:45.37 | songpenguin | huck_finn: or it might be that it's not in the default kernel, I don't know I use a usb audio 16 bit |
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| 08:46.03 | songpenguin | huck_finn: actually the easiest way I find to find which module it is is to look in the kernel config (make menuconfig) |
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| 08:46.28 | songpenguin | huck_finn: in the kernel source directory of course |
| 08:46.29 | huck_finn | songpenguin:ok, i'll try that |
| 08:46.38 | songpenguin | huck_finn: anyways, night |
| 08:46.48 | songpenguin | huck_finn: I was just shutting down :-) |
| 08:46.51 | songpenguin | later all |
| 08:46.52 | huck_finn | songpenguin: lol ok |
| 08:46.58 | huck_finn | songpenguin: thanks |
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| 08:48.34 | Teufel | I just installed gotmail via aptitude but can't find a config or any file for it... |
| 08:48.34 | DeadLine | bibe: thanks |
| 08:49.40 | PerfDave | Teufel: Anything in /usr/share/doc/gotmail ? |
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| 08:50.01 | liable | Teufel: or dpkg -L gotmail |
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| 08:50.10 | Teufel | PerfDave: no but I know what I did wrong haha... I want fetchmail not gotmail... gotmail is command oriented |
| 08:50.12 | Teufel | had the wrong thing |
| 08:50.42 | PerfDave | Teufel: "command oriented"? Fetchmail is a command-line application |
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| 08:51.08 | bibe | DeadLine : no problem |
| 08:51.22 | Teufel | do I have to have a user made on my debian comp to get email? Like is there a way to forward webmaster@mydomain.com emails to a different email without having a webmaster account? |
| 08:51.42 | dimir | teun: no |
| 08:51.45 | dimir | Teufel too |
| 08:51.51 | teun | :) |
| 08:51.52 | petemc | dimir: huh? |
| 08:52.03 | petemc | Teufel: yes, you can use /etc/aliases |
| 08:52.05 | bibe | Teufel : use aliases |
| 08:52.05 | dimir | Teufel: mailserver has to know the user |
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| 08:52.21 | dimir | peterS: this will not work unless that user exists |
| 08:52.25 | dimir | damn |
| 08:52.32 | Teufel | hmm ok I'll check out aliases thanks |
| 08:52.33 | dimir | autocomplete sucks |
| 08:52.39 | dimir | or am I wrong? |
| 08:52.40 | peterS | oh hullo petemc |
| 08:52.45 | petemc | hey peterS :) |
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| 08:53.15 | PerfDave | dimir: You're wrong :) |
| 08:53.31 | Teufel | another question... lets say I have 2 domains, and am using virtual hosts. Does that mean that every user has 2 different email accounts? user@domain1.com and user@domain2.com ? |
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| 08:53.40 | SuperTech | Still having same problem. Won't get passed INIT: version 2.86 booting, However I just notice that is says ext3-fs mounted filesystem with ordered data mode |
| 08:53.41 | slay3r | hi guys, i m newbie and i will install debian. i have a problem on my mind. i have a internal adsl modem. can found/know debian this device? |
| 08:53.53 | petemc | Teufel: you havent specified which mta, but not necessarily, depends how you configure it |
| 08:53.53 | peterS | Teufel: depends on how you set up your MTA |
| 08:53.54 | PerfDave | Teufel: It depends on how you configure your MTA :) |
| 08:54.02 | petemc | *bam* |
| 08:54.03 | slay3r | can i use internal adsl modem in debian? |
| 08:54.05 | peterS | Teufel: by default everyone gets two email addresses but you can set up tables to say who is who |
| 08:54.06 | PerfDave | slay3r: Probably |
| 08:54.08 | Teufel | petemc: exim4 |
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| 08:54.13 | PerfDave | slay3r: Is it supported by Linux? |
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| 08:54.15 | petemc | Teufel: same answer applies |
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| 08:54.22 | slay3r | PerfDave i don know.. |
| 08:54.28 | slay3r | but chipset is |
| 08:54.31 | Teufel | !MTA |
| 08:54.31 | dpkg | [mta] a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 08:54.32 | slay3r | globalspan virata |
| 08:54.35 | Teufel | ah |
| 08:54.39 | slay3r | name is globalspan virata |
| 08:54.42 | PerfDave | slay3r: Try googling for it and "linxu" |
| 08:54.46 | PerfDave | slay3r: Try googling for it and "linux" even |
| 08:54.49 | Teufel | So I can configure exim4 for all that crap? |
| 08:55.00 | petemc | Teufel: all that shit, tough guy |
| 08:55.07 | Teufel | tee hee ;) |
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| 08:55.25 | Teufel | k I'm convinced, linux is teh pwn |
| 08:55.43 | SuperTech | How do I get passed this INIT: version 2.86 booting lockup |
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| 08:56.08 | slay3r | PerfDave auf thanx man |
| 08:56.17 | PerfDave | Teufel: I believe there's an article on http://www.debian-administration.org/ about setting up virtual users and domains with exim4 |
| 08:57.05 | Teufel | another email question. Is there a way to make my network computers, when they check email, ... live? For lack of words... Like for insatnce, if I read email and delete it on one computer, I want it to not show up when I check the email on a different comp |
| 08:57.09 | SuperTech | Help Please |
| 08:57.24 | PerfDave | Teufel: You want IMAP for that, instead of POP3. |
| 08:57.28 | Teufel | Like if I set up a new thunderbird and check email, it will download like hundreds of email |
| 08:57.32 | Ekaterin | I'm having trouble upgrading one particular machine to sarge with dselect. I keep getting an error message about "undefined symbol: Perl_Gthr_key_ptr". Can anyone help? |
| 08:57.53 | Teufel | bah... is that a hard switch? From imap to pop3? |
| 08:58.02 | leminhteo | can i set up smtp in debian |
| 08:58.05 | PerfDave | Teufel: You mean from POP3 to IMAP |
| 08:58.11 | PerfDave | Teufel: And not really, no |
| 08:58.14 | Teufel | err yay heh |
| 08:58.19 | PerfDave | leminhteo: I don't know, can you? :) |
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| 08:59.16 | leminhteo | i dont know too |
| 08:59.29 | SuperTech | Hello can some one help me. I can't get passed the INIT: version 2.86 booting |
| 08:59.37 | Teufel | you just have to install a new program right? I'll apt-cache search imap for one later and see what I can do |
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| 09:00.23 | slay3r | hi ValheruLord .P |
| 09:00.33 | PerfDave | Teufel: I believe there's also documentation about setting up various IMAP servers with exim on http://www.debian-administration.org/ that you may want to read ;) |
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| 09:00.51 | Teufel | PerfDave thanks, |
| 09:01.18 | Ekaterin | I've got into an awful tangle upgrading to sarge - perl seems to be stuck in a brokw |
| 09:01.21 | PerfDave | SuperTech: You're not really making any sense. You may get more response if you read the article mentioned by typing "/msg dpkg smart questions" into your IRC program. |
| 09:01.29 | PerfDave | Ekaterin: How did you try upgrading to Sarge? |
| 09:01.38 | PerfDave | leminhteo: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 09:01.44 | Ekaterin | BY running dselect, which may be part of the problem. |
| 09:01.50 | leminhteo | PerfDave |
| 09:02.11 | leminhteo | PerfDAve u can install packagesnmp (5.1.2-6.1) |
| 09:02.14 | Ekaterin | I think it may also be that this particular machine had some of the unofficial "bunk" packages installed. |
| 09:02.21 | Teufel | I'm confused as to how to set up fetchmail. Is there like a config file that I can have it auto merge all email I want or so I have to set up a command and make a crontab? |
| 09:03.25 | Ekaterin | Anyway, it keeps giving me a long error message about undefined symbol: Perl_Gthr_key_ptr. Do you want me to type the whole thing ion? |
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| 09:04.06 | SuperTech | PerfDave what do you mean I am not making sense. What do you need to know. |
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| 09:04.17 | sanxiyn | Ekaterin: Sounds like #296077. |
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| 09:04.40 | joedirt55 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.54 | sanxiyn | "#296077: upgrade-reports: Upgrade from Woody to Sarge: System hosed" |
| 09:05.04 | sanxiyn | "The upgrade ended half-way through telling me that there was an undefined symbol Perl_gthr_key_ptr." |
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| 09:05.16 | liable | joedirt55: /msg dpkg xorg |
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| 09:05.30 | Ekaterin | sanxiyn: Yes, I am reading that bug report right now. |
| 09:06.24 | SuperTech | PerfDave What do you need to know about my problem |
| 09:06.48 | leminhteo | i have a device, i want to get traffic form device what can i do |
| 09:06.58 | Teufel | so pop3 is pretty outdated then? |
| 09:07.01 | leminhteo | pls help me |
| 09:07.29 | Ekaterin | sanxiyn: Well, not quite because I'm not getting the "packages scheduled for removal" bit. But I don't see anything there about how to rescue that machine. |
| 09:07.29 | streuner | liable: http://kernelconcepts.de/products/fun/tshirts.shtml |
| 09:07.58 | streuner | joedirt55: yes |
| 09:08.09 | streuner | !listkeys xorg |
| 09:08.25 | streuner | dpkg, xorg |
| 09:08.27 | Teufel | is there a way to log into a user account from the root prompt? |
| 09:08.28 | PerfDave | leminhteo: Sorry, are you talking about SNMP or SMTP? |
| 09:08.36 | sanxiyn | Ekaterin: Is this relevant? |
| 09:08.37 | sanxiyn | Ekaterin: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-upgrading_doc-base |
| 09:08.41 | leminhteo | snmp |
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| 09:09.00 | PerfDave | Ekaterin: Did you read the Sarge manual about upgrading from Woody? :) |
| 09:09.34 | PerfDave | Teufel: POP3 isn't necessarily outdated. But IMAP is generally better IMHO. |
| 09:10.03 | joedirt55 | can i scroll up in the terminal |
| 09:10.16 | liable | streuner: your site? |
| 09:10.23 | streuner | liable: nah |
| 09:10.33 | dpkg | [xorg] X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
| 09:10.37 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'xorg' by key (7): get xorg ;; xorg-nvidia ;; xorg sarge ;; CMD: xorgsmite (.*?) ;; xorg advantages ;; xorg disadvantages ;; xorg. |
| 09:10.41 | PerfDave | joedirt55: Ctrl-PgUp and Ctrl-PgDn work for me. |
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| 09:10.49 | PerfDave | Cor, dpkg is running slowly ;) |
| 09:10.57 | streuner | joedirt55: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
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| 09:11.25 | Ekaterin | PerfDave: You mean that I should have started from a "pure" woody system? |
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| 09:11.49 | sanxiyn | Ekaterin: I guess no. |
| 09:11.52 | dimir | PerfDave petemc Teufel: sorry guys, I was wrong, aliases works fine without a real user a mail server is aware of. |
| 09:12.00 | Ekaterin | PerfDave: In case I have any more computers with the bunk stuff, how do I get rid of it? |
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| 09:12.06 | dimir | a real user or a virtual user that is |
| 09:12.12 | joedirt55 | http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ ! do i add that to my apt.sources |
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| 09:12.36 | streuner | liable: http://weda.mine.nu/debian.jpg |
| 09:12.52 | Ekaterin | sanxiyn: I'm studying the release notes - they don't look to helpful on getting myself out of this situation. |
| 09:13.04 | sanxiyn | Ekaterin: Indeed... |
| 09:13.07 | peterS | joedirt55: deb http://... sarge main |
| 09:13.18 | joedirt55 | thx |
| 09:13.26 | sanxiyn | #296077 is amazingly unhelpful. |
| 09:13.32 | PerfDave | Ekaterin: I mean that reading the release notes *before* you start might be useful ;) |
| 09:13.59 | PerfDave | You can put xorg on Sarge, but I wouldn't :) |
| 09:14.00 | liable | streuner: yeah, gonna have to get myself one of them debian/rules tshirts I think.. |
| 09:14.04 | joedirt55 | where is apt.sources |
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| 09:14.13 | liable | /etc/apt.. |
| 09:14.17 | joedirt55 | o ok |
| 09:14.32 | defcon8 | chm viewer anyone? |
| 09:14.35 | Ekaterin | PerfDave: OK, noted. All my other machines have upgraded *fine* with dselect (which I prefer because I get to correct the computer's choices for fixing dependency problems). |
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| 09:14.51 | peterS | joedirt55: you could have actually gotten this information by surfing to http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ and noticing a file in there called "sources.list" |
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| 09:15.03 | defcon8 | name of a chm viewer please |
| 09:15.11 | PerfDave | Ekaterin: *shrug* Things *may* work with dselect or apt-get, but they may also break randomly, as you've learned :) |
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| 09:15.13 | yeyeyea | Hi guys. Any small, vim-like editor recommanded? I liked vim but it is too big and nvi is very hard to use.... |
| 09:15.18 | Teufel | how can I log into a different user accout with the command promt? |
| 09:15.19 | pirre | defcon8: google.com, thank you very much |
| 09:15.25 | peterS | defcon8: apt-cache search chm viewer |
| 09:15.31 | joedirt55 | so is sarge still considered testing? |
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| 09:15.38 | PerfDave | joedirt55: No, Sarge is the stable release. |
| 09:15.40 | joedirt55 | is there a testing |
| 09:15.41 | sanxiyn | joedirt55: Sarge is stable. |
| 09:15.43 | liable | yeyeyea: vim is too gig? |
| 09:15.47 | PerfDave | joedirt55: Etch is the testing release. |
| 09:15.48 | peterS | joedirt55: yes |
| 09:16.00 | PerfDave | joedirt55: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 09:16.01 | Fuwex | I need to exec a command from a normal user on root in a bash script, so how do I specifiy a password in the 'su' command? I can't be there and enter the password, as it's supposed to be automated |
| 09:16.03 | liable | s/gig/big |
| 09:16.03 | joedirt55 | so i should change all my apt.sources to etch insted of sarge |
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| 09:16.20 | PerfDave | Fuwex: You don't want to put your root password in a user script. Use sudo. |
| 09:16.27 | peterS | Fuwex: use sudo and set up something in /etc/sudoers for this |
| 09:16.35 | PerfDave | joedirt55: Only if you want to run Etch, which has no security updates. |
| 09:16.36 | Fuwex | okay, I'll try that.. thanks guys |
| 09:16.51 | joedirt55 | no |
| 09:17.01 | yeyeyea | liable: yes, it's 15M :( |
| 09:17.09 | joedirt55 | so should i take out testing in my sources.list |
| 09:17.12 | peterS | joedirt55: no. keep them at sarge. if you have to ask, you want to run stable |
| 09:17.16 | Ekaterin | PerfDave: Is "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade" likely to help or hurt at this stage? |
| 09:17.16 | joedirt55 | change it to stable? |
| 09:17.24 | sanxiyn | joedirt55: Change it to "sarge". |
| 09:17.29 | joedirt55 | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 09:17.34 | joedirt55 | ok |
| 09:17.50 | yoo | Hi all ! |
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| 09:18.00 | sanxiyn | ("stable" is also fine, but you may accidentally issue upgrade when new stable is out...) |
| 09:18.03 | yoo | i try to use courier-imap courier-imap-ssl with squirrelmail |
| 09:18.06 | PerfDave | joedirt55: If you've got "testing" in your sources.list, then you're already running Etch, and it's too late for you :) |
| 09:18.08 | yoo | Aug 18 00:27:02 simpson imapd-ssl: chdir Maildir: No such file or directory |
| 09:18.15 | yoo | so in my http://.....................webmail i have this : ERROR: Connection dropped by IMAP server. |
| 09:18.21 | sanxiyn | PerfDave: Well, if he didn't upgrade... |
| 09:18.22 | yoo | i change my MAILDIRPATH in imapd and ssl-imapd but the same error |
| 09:18.40 | golanx | who can explain me the main usage of openldap? |
| 09:18.43 | Teufel | oh freaking yes, fetchmail is uber! |
| 09:18.46 | Fuwex | Okay, installed sudo now, I'm leaving in 3 minutes, so could anyone give me a brief explanation what to do now? |
| 09:18.46 | joedirt55 | well i installed off of a sarge net install cd |
| 09:18.49 | sanxiyn | Ekaterin: I think it will hurt... |
| 09:18.55 | Ekaterin | sanxiyn: Ah, 278417 seems *slightly* more helpful, though full of confusing technical stuff. |
| 09:19.07 | peterS | Fuwex: edit /etc/sudoers. it has a manpage called 'sudoers' |
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| 09:19.27 | Fuwex | should I use visudo to edit it, PeterS? |
| 09:19.31 | peterS | Fuwex: this manpage is ridiculous because it explains things in EBNF, but the information *is* there if you have a long time to stare at it |
| 09:19.42 | peterS | Fuwex: yes, though this doesn't matter all that much |
| 09:19.47 | Fuwex | okay |
| 09:19.55 | Fuwex | well, I gotta go now, cya guys, thanks for the help, I'll continue later |
| 09:19.57 | joedirt55 | If i installed off a sarge net isntall cd before it went stable, is it stil sarge or did it install etch |
| 09:19.57 | liable | ebnf? |
| 09:20.13 | peterS | liable: extended backus-naur format |
| 09:20.19 | sanxiyn | peterS: sudoers is a good showcase that a few example would help much better... |
| 09:20.19 | peterS | liable: 'man sudoers' and feel the pain |
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| 09:20.36 | peterS | liable: basically a way of describing grammars in terms of elements that make up valid constructs |
| 09:20.44 | sanxiyn | golanx: openldap is a directory server. |
| 09:20.49 | liable | peterS: hehe, yeah i have indeed stared at that one for a while. :) |
| 09:21.06 | golanx | sanxiyn: so, i can use it in a similar way of samba? |
| 09:21.12 | sanxiyn | golanx: Huh? |
| 09:21.15 | peterS | liable: EBNF is great for tech specs. it's lousy for end-user documentation. |
| 09:21.19 | Thunder000 | what's a good application for viewing pictures ? |
| 09:21.22 | joedirt55 | If i installed off a sarge net isntall cd before it went stable, is it stil sarge or did it install etch |
| 09:21.27 | sanxiyn | golanx: It's unrelated. Well, you can use it together with samba? |
| 09:21.29 | peterS | Thunder000: eog, feh, pornview |
| 09:21.47 | sanxiyn | Thunder000: gthumb. |
| 09:21.48 | golanx | sanxiyn: as "directory server", you mean something that manages directories inside an intranet? |
| 09:21.59 | Thunder000 | thanks |
| 09:22.05 | sanxiyn | golanx: Yes, like MS's "Active Directory". |
| 09:22.06 | joedirt55 | can anyone help me |
| 09:22.11 | peterS | golanx: we mean a competitor to Active Directory or NDS |
| 09:22.31 | golanx | sanxiyn & peterS : ok, thanks, now it's clearer :-) |
| 09:22.35 | peterS | golanx: a reasonable competitor to AD but not in the same ballpark as NDS, specifically |
| 09:22.36 | vorsprung | "microsoft active directory" the acronymn tells the truth |
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| 09:22.47 | joedirt55 | can anyone help me |
| 09:22.48 | liable | joedirt55: if your sources say testing, you are running etch. If you want sarge, easiest to re-install. |
| 09:22.59 | sanxiyn | peterS: 2.3 will change that... I think. |
| 09:23.08 | liable | joedirt55: re-install takes 20 mins.. |
| 09:23.16 | joedirt55 | i cant install sarge packages on etch can i |
| 09:23.28 | Ekaterin | sanxiyn: You are a *wizard*. I quit dselect, typed "export PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1", went back into dselect, and it is happily whirring away unpacking everything!!! |
| 09:23.29 | vosti | running lilo to install a new kernel it tell me that's something wrong with device-mapper...I'm using the default configuration of lilo..before my hd died it was ok and now....any idea? |
| 09:23.30 | peterS | sanxiyn: we shall see. I don't particularly use directories, I've just heard from people who ought to know - nobody can touch NDS - AD is a joke, openldap only somewhat less so |
| 09:23.37 | joedirt55 | do i need to download a new cd? or can i do it from this computer |
| 09:24.04 | sanxiyn | peterS: Maybe OpenLDAP is a joke, but it's as joking as MySQL, which is something. |
| 09:24.04 | liable | joedirt55: no. but it all depends on the depends :) |
| 09:24.15 | sanxiyn | (obscure metaphor) |
| 09:24.26 | joedirt55 | theres no way to "downgrade" |
| 09:24.27 | vorsprung | sanxiyn, no openldap is truely appalling. The problem is with the way ldap work imho |
| 09:24.32 | sanxiyn | Ekaterin: Oh. |
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| 09:24.41 | sanxiyn | Ekaterin: Super. |
| 09:24.51 | liable | joedirt55: you can do it with the net-install, just install the base from cd, then edit your sources, make sure they say sarge, before you run apt. |
| 09:24.54 | coywolf | where's the init output log file? or how to log that? |
| 09:25.10 | SuperTech | Is there anyway to save all my data and upgrade the linux |
| 09:25.11 | jm_ | init output? |
| 09:25.18 | joedirt55 | o ok |
| 09:25.21 | sanxiyn | vorsprung: Of course OpenLDAP will suck if you use it where RDB is more suitable... |
| 09:25.27 | joedirt55 | thx |
| 09:25.47 | coywolf | jm_, yeah |
| 09:25.58 | coywolf | !init |
| 09:25.58 | dpkg | methinks init is the init daemon |
| 09:26.08 | jm_ | coywolf: enable bootlogd |
| 09:26.09 | peterS | helpful as always |
| 09:26.26 | elements | !rdb |
| 09:26.34 | peterS | elements: he means relational database |
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| 09:26.44 | elements | Ok |
| 09:26.49 | peterS | elements: or "real database", which to many people is the same thing (: |
| 09:26.59 | vorsprung | sanxiyn, openldap is a good implementation of a ldap. The trouble is that ldap itself is a bad system. |
| 09:27.19 | sanxiyn | vorsprung: Maybe... |
| 09:27.27 | elements | Thought he might have meant the Red Hat Directory Server (the old Netscape Directory Server). |
| 09:27.43 | sanxiyn | elements: You mean Fedora Directory Server. |
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| 09:27.53 | elements | sanxiyn: Possibly. :) |
| 09:27.59 | vorsprung | sanxiyn, the weird way patterns work for example. The way that it is strictly hierarchical. LDIF files |
| 09:27.59 | sanxiyn | elements: Both good LDAP servers. Whether LDAP is good or evil is another matter. |
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| 09:29.07 | vorsprung | sanxiyn, it's a shame because the idea of a directory server is quite nice |
| 09:29.20 | _AgentSmith | hey folks, is kdebase broken on sid ?!! |
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| 09:29.32 | sanxiyn | _AgentSmith: Yes. |
| 09:29.56 | _AgentSmith | ok sanxiyn, thanks |
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| 09:30.19 | sanxiyn | _AgentSmith: Breakage from Qt (which is C++) transition. |
| 09:30.35 | vorsprung | sanxiyn, I used to use NIS a few years ago for a cluster of unix workstations. It was a bit steam powered but having all the user/printer/group info in one place made stuff a lot easier |
| 09:30.46 | _AgentSmith | yeah, libqt i think |
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| 09:31.01 | vorsprung | s/a few/ten/ #how time flies when you are having fun |
| 09:31.28 | ice_1963 | if there is no more non-us how can you get nvidia Drivers ????? |
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| 09:31.45 | sanxiyn | ice_1963: non-us and non-free is two different thing. |
| 09:32.01 | Mage\work | ice_1963: www.nvidia.com |
| 09:33.02 | sanxiyn | da'a pada na cinri mi .i le ka misno be tu'a le munje .iku'i le sance be le xamsi boxna go'i |
| 09:33.10 | sanxiyn | oops |
| 09:34.22 | Guerin | what language is that? |
| 09:34.39 | petemc | pigeon |
| 09:34.53 | Guerin | it sort of looks like esperanto, but not |
| 09:35.01 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Lojban. |
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| 09:35.05 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:35.07 | peterS | those dots, are they glottal stops or something? |
| 09:35.08 | Guerin | right-o |
| 09:35.34 | dimir | Korea |
| 09:35.42 | Guerin | dimir: what about it? |
| 09:35.58 | dimir | Language. :-) |
| 09:36.05 | snail | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban |
| 09:36.06 | Guerin | definitely not |
| 09:36.13 | sep | is there a good tool i can run on my debian backup server, that can take backup from both linux and windows computers. today i use a mix of ntbackup+sshtunnel+patience |
| 09:36.14 | snail | hhmm, interesting... |
| 09:36.14 | dimir | That's what an IP locator told me. :-) |
| 09:36.21 | sanxiyn | "Nothing interests me, not the glory on this world, except the sound of rolling of the waves" if you're curious. |
| 09:36.27 | Guerin | dimir: that's where he IS, not what language he's speaking |
| 09:36.29 | snail | would be a good langauge to write manual pages in ... |
| 09:36.33 | ice_1963 | ok well i need the nvidia drivers from non-free to add to my /etc/apt/sources.list were can i get it ????? |
| 09:36.39 | dimir | Guerin: of course |
| 09:36.48 | petemc | ice_1963: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 09:36.49 | ice_1963 | pl |
| 09:36.52 | snail | sanxiyn: so the language lacks double entendre? |
| 09:36.59 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 09:37.17 | sanxiyn | snail: If you mean that it lacks homonyms or grouping ambiguity, then yes. |
| 09:37.22 | sanxiyn | (Also proved [!]) |
| 09:37.22 | dimir | Guerin: and enen not that 100 %, because that IP locator is only 90 % sure. |
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| 09:37.36 | james | Can anyone recommend a good ASM tutorial, or book? And maybe an ASM channel (#asm is inactive) |
| 09:37.44 | Guerin | grr, i need to chop the last 34 bytes off the end of a file |
| 09:37.49 | elements | dpkg: Tell elements about life. |
| 09:37.52 | Guerin | the file is 1.4G or so in size |
| 09:37.59 | jm_ | sep: backuppc/amanda |
| 09:38.23 | snail | sanxiyn: bugger |
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| 09:38.39 | sanxiyn | Guerin: ftruncate... eh. |
| 09:38.49 | deadcat | sep: what about rsnapshot? |
| 09:39.21 | sanxiyn | ftruncate is not available as command. Bad. |
| 09:39.37 | Guerin | only as a function? |
| 09:39.49 | Guerin | split could work |
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| 09:40.01 | Guerin | but would it be awesomely slow? |
| 09:40.21 | sep | deadcat, jm_ all of those sounds good, any of those that use rsync between windows /linux to avoid bandwith hogging |
| 09:40.21 | parjona | hola alguno español |
| 09:40.23 | jm_ | Guerin: dd can do it but it will be slow |
| 09:41.06 | deadcat | sep: rsnapshot == rsync+ssh |
| 09:41.37 | peterS | Guerin: yeah, split will be awesomely slow |
| 09:41.40 | Guerin | jm_: split -b 1475502568 is being pretty slow |
| 09:41.53 | Guerin | peterS: any faster way? |
| 09:41.56 | jm_ | Guerin: no doubt ;) |
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| 09:42.12 | Guerin | open it in a hex editor and mmanually remove 34 bytes? |
| 09:42.22 | sep | deadcat, ill look into thatone |
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| 09:42.28 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Which hex editor? |
| 09:42.39 | azulema | parjona: j debian-es |
| 09:42.50 | jm_ | Guerin: that won't work unless hex editor supports such feature |
| 09:42.50 | Guerin | sanxiyn: the one which will open a 1.4G file on a machine with only 64MB ram? |
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| 09:43.19 | peterS | Guerin: trying to think. perl -e 'open FILE, "+>", "yourfilename"; truncate FILE, 128374683' |
| 09:43.32 | aperez | vete por ai o por alli tanvien |
| 09:43.35 | peterS | Guerin: where 128374683 is file length minus 34 |
| 09:43.35 | sanxiyn | peterS: Yes, truncate is the way to go. |
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| 09:44.15 | peterS | Guerin: in fact I guess in perl you don't have to open the file first... perl -e 'truncate "yourfilename", 128374683' |
| 09:44.46 | Azlan | Hi.. I'm new to debian since today.. ^^ I've used Slackware alot. Ok.. To the question. How do i make environment changes that is remembered in every login?? |
| 09:44.46 | d0ugie | please could someone kindly lay out the syntax to wget *.jp*g from an open dir on a httpd |
| 09:45.06 | jm_ | Azlan: the same as on Slackware |
| 09:45.09 | sanxiyn | python -c 'name = "xyz"; import os; os.ftruncate(os.open(name, os.O_RDWR), os.path.getsize(name) -34)' |
| 09:45.10 | dondelelcaro | d0ugie: wget -l 1 -nd -np -nH -r -A jpg |
| 09:45.13 | sanxiyn | Roughly same. |
| 09:45.30 | Azlan | I know in Slackware you can add environment changes to profile.d dir in etc.. |
| 09:45.35 | d0ugie | Azlan, welcome buddy.. i came from slack way back in the day, traveled through several distros to land here, extremely satisfied |
| 09:45.41 | aperez | gbjkcbd cyhhecdchdvfffrbfrgfdcbdcrfdfvhfy |
| 09:45.43 | d0ugie | dondek: thanks. |
| 09:45.56 | Guerin | peterS: that actually changed the size of the file quite radically |
| 09:45.57 | d0ugie | dondelelcaro:, rather |
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| 09:46.20 | peterS | Guerin: oh dear. the file size isn't the number you put in there, then? |
| 09:46.24 | Guerin | peterS: from 1475502602 to 1364557824 |
| 09:46.28 | Guerin | peterS: nope |
| 09:46.40 | Azlan | jm_, and how is that?? I have only made it in profile.d. and i cant find anything like that on debian.. |
| 09:46.48 | peterS | Guerin: doh. I wonder why it did that. truncate should be pretty foolproof, I can't see what would go wrong |
| 09:46.56 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Is it fast? :-P |
| 09:47.19 | Guerin | sanxiyn: instantaneous, but unfortunately not effective |
| 09:47.36 | jm_ | Azlan: profile/environment file/shell startup files/... |
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| 09:47.46 | peterS | Guerin: if you had been over 2 GB I would suspect a limitation with 32-bit numbers. but you're well under that |
| 09:47.51 | aperez | dxfdgcdxdcscdkceg ducados o fortuna |
| 09:48.03 | d0ugie | dondelelcaro: umm where in that do i put the url? in front of jpg? |
| 09:48.19 | peterS | O Fortuna! |
| 09:48.20 | dondelelcaro | d0ugie: at the end. |
| 09:48.29 | dondelelcaro | (not that it matters much) |
| 09:48.32 | d0ugie | cool ty |
| 09:48.41 | d0ugie | i could swing it either way |
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| 09:48.46 | dondelelcaro | d0ugie: man wget; you'll need to read through it to understand the list of options I've given you. |
| 09:49.01 | Azlan | jm_, i tried to add PATH=/usr/java/bin:$PATH to environment file.. But then i couldn't login to X.. It crached.. |
| 09:49.06 | Guerin | the file is a football video file which got truncated by 34 bytes in ftp transit. I'm trying to seed it over bittorrent, and the bt client complained that it couldn't complete the file. It came with a 34-byte textfile, so I catted the textfile onto the avi, bringing it up to size, presuming that even if it failed the hash check, it's re-download the offending chunk. But now it just crashed the client :( |
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| 09:49.56 | peterS | Guerin: ah, bleh |
| 09:50.06 | d0ugie | dondelecaro: i know, i should have and would have if it weren't almost 6am and me getting manic |
| 09:50.52 | acidbrain | Hi! |
| 09:51.21 | Guerin | peterS: ? |
| 09:51.33 | jm_ | Azlan: crashed how? |
| 09:52.19 | Azlan | jm_, when i loged in from GDM i got a error message that my X session lasted less then 10sec.. I got nothing.. |
| 09:52.31 | d0ugie | do higher rpm drives tend to die quicker |
| 09:52.32 | peterS | Guerin: don't know what to tell ya. I don't see what the truncate call could have done wrong. I do note that your new file is on a 32kB boundary, which is odd |
| 09:52.35 | jm_ | Azlan: check ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 09:53.06 | Azlan | i did.. sais nothing.. But i have logged in after that.. |
| 09:53.28 | acidbrain | I have a strange X problem. I could start X and everything was ok. I stopped it for changing the resolution. It came up again, but did not respond on mouse or keyboard input. I had to kill it from outside via ssh. |
| 09:53.32 | jm_ | then check if gdm has a logfile |
| 09:53.50 | xrgtn | does samba server support krb auth only as a member of ADS? |
| 09:53.53 | acidbrain | Changing the resolution to the original setting did not help. It still freezes |
| 09:54.01 | peterS | Guerin: it's not bittorrent, by any chance, that re-truncated your file after you did? |
| 09:54.07 | Guerin | peterS: definitely not |
| 09:54.13 | Azlan | jm_, sorry.. It sais: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1 |
| 09:54.17 | xrgtn | I'm trying with my own kerberos and it doesn't work. |
| 09:54.27 | jm_ | Azlan: right, no idea what that means, try google |
| 09:54.36 | jm_ | Azlan: or check BTS |
| 09:54.40 | Azlan | jm_, ok.. Thx.. ^^ |
| 09:54.54 | harrydg | ey all |
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| 09:55.14 | harrydg | can anyone tell me why there is no tmpfs mounted over /dev when i install udev? |
| 09:55.21 | jethro | hello |
| 09:55.28 | harrydg | and what to do so it will work? |
| 09:55.30 | liable | azriel0184: check xserver log, see if it gives any clues. |
| 09:55.43 | liable | acidbrain: check xserver log, see if it gives any clues. |
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| 09:55.53 | xrgtn | harrydg: kernel older than 2.6.8? |
| 09:55.59 | Krupz | hi |
| 09:56.19 | harrydg | 2.6.12 |
| 09:56.27 | harrydg | i need it for multipath overr device mapper |
| 09:56.30 | peterS | Guerin: I'm creating a large file to test this, see if I can reproduce it. that's just too weird, y'know? |
| 09:56.42 | liable | !irritate jethro |
| 09:56.44 | dpkg | jethro: hi every1 how does I run teh mouse !!!! |
| 09:56.46 | harrydg | 2.6.12.5 to be exact :) |
| 09:56.55 | xrgtn | harrydg: I'm not a specialist in udev, have no more ideas :/ |
| 09:57.05 | harrydg | hmm... |
| 09:57.34 | jethro | hi liable :) |
| 09:57.40 | harrydg | for anyone else maybe: i have a server, 2 qlogic fc cards, connected to 2 brocade san switches, connected to 2 IBM ESS storage boxes |
| 09:57.47 | harrydg | i want multipath over these 2 cards |
| 09:57.52 | harrydg | over 2 sans |
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| 09:57.53 | liable | jethro: hi. |
| 09:57.54 | acidbrain | liable: the only error is in module i10: (EE) I810(0): Failed to allocate Overlay register space. |
| 09:57.57 | harrydg | (failover + loadbalancing) |
| 09:58.02 | harrydg | (sec... phone..) |
| 09:58.20 | peterS | Guerin: perl -e 'truncate "testfile", 1475502568' works fine for me |
| 09:58.21 | Guerin | oh, i just noticed that sanxiyn gave me a python line |
| 09:58.24 | liable | acidbrain: eww, you'll have to google that one.. |
| 09:58.24 | Guerin | and it worked |
| 09:58.38 | harrydg | so... i need multipath tools: ok |
| 09:58.39 | harrydg | need udev |
| 09:58.41 | Guerin | peterS: i tried your line again, same effect, but sanxiyn's line worked |
| 09:58.42 | harrydg | need hotplug |
| 09:58.52 | Guerin | so now i'm back where I started |
| 09:58.55 | peterS | Guerin: weird. but I'm glad you got the right size file |
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| 09:59.02 | harrydg | all is there... but... udev SHOULD mount a tmpfs filesystem over /dev where it creates it's device nodes |
| 09:59.07 | harrydg | and... it doesn't do that |
| 09:59.17 | xrgtn | harrydg: even /etc/init.d/udev start? |
| 09:59.35 | harrydg | xrgtn: ahm... that won't help, no ;) |
| 09:59.45 | harrydg | i've even been looking in strace of udev etc... |
| 10:00.00 | harrydg | getting close to even running it step by step in asm in gdb :s |
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| 10:00.18 | xrgtn | harrydg: did you have other kernel with which udev worked? |
| 10:00.24 | harrydg | too bad we don't have a decent ida in linux :( |
| 10:00.50 | harrydg | xrgtn: no, it's a custom built kernel (needed for the internal scsi card and network interface |
| 10:01.00 | harrydg | but im thinking about something now.. |
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| 10:01.01 | harrydg | brb |
| 10:01.44 | hyperstream | how do i reconfigure v4l because ive just replace my tv tuner with a more supported one for linux |
| 10:01.46 | harrydg | [*] Virtual memory file system support (former shm fs) |
| 10:01.49 | harrydg | hmm... it's there :( |
| 10:02.19 | harrydg | does udev require extended attributes? |
| 10:02.56 | xrgtn | I had several custom kernels with lots of possibly unneeded patches but every time udev worked. It even started to work on embedded ARM device with newer kernel, and there's no xattrr IIRC |
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| 10:03.42 | harrydg | hmm.... |
| 10:03.53 | xrgtn | This udev: creating initial device nodes for 10-15sec got me crazy on ARM -- I just got rid of it on that system completely. |
| 10:04.03 | harrydg | hehe |
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| 10:04.13 | harrydg | well... you need it if you want multipath support etc... |
| 10:04.18 | florg | hi all, how can i get my Gnome apps (Gaim, Rhythmbox etc.) get loaded into the system tray? For some reason this doesn't work for me. I'm using Gnome 2.10.2 |
| 10:04.33 | xrgtn | Kernel was nothing special there, of course.Even without swap support. |
| 10:05.06 | harrydg | btw. i don't need /dev/ filesystem support, do i??? (that's devfs) |
| 10:05.16 | harrydg | (starting to think crazy stuff now ;0) |
| 10:05.21 | xrgtn | YES. devfs is obsoleted |
| 10:05.22 | Shadur | harrydg: Nope. devfs is superseded by udev |
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| 10:05.50 | Shadur | Which does the same job, except in userspace, and a couple of orders of magnitude more securely |
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| 10:06.14 | codebreaker | master and slave ldapserver slapd. i always get ERROR: Server is unwilling to perform: shadow context; no update referral the config is at http://paste.debian.net/1590 |
| 10:06.17 | marcel__ | can someone recommend a program to download a directory recursively? |
| 10:06.22 | marcel__ | form the web? |
| 10:06.24 | marcel__ | from |
| 10:06.28 | Guerin | marcel__: lftp or wget |
| 10:06.42 | cplx | marcel__: wget |
| 10:06.43 | xrgtn | Shadur: BTW, udev hides my /dev/mtd0,1,2 -- why? :/ |
| 10:06.48 | cplx | What Guerin said ^^ |
| 10:07.03 | marcel__ | ok |
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| 10:07.46 | xrgtn | so that I need e.g. flash_eraseall /dev/.static/dev/mtd2 |
| 10:07.58 | xrgtn | instead of flash_eraseall /dev/mtd2 |
| 10:08.56 | harrydg | hmm... the udev-mtab script should do that mounting stuff |
| 10:09.30 | harrydg | btw. for something completely different: http://www.ashrae.be/tosh/peer2peer.gif |
| 10:10.27 | Guerin | harrydg: haha |
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| 10:12.45 | xrgtn | looking into /etc/udev/* -- found nothing. Interesting is that udev _leaves_ /dev/mtdblock* in place, but not /dev/mtd*... |
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| 10:15.24 | harrydg | just running over the script (/etc/init.d/udev-mtab |
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| 10:15.58 | Thunder000 | is there a backport repository for sarge ? |
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| 10:16.53 | harrydg | Thunder000: backports.org ? |
| 10:17.04 | s_ward | !tell Thunder000 about backports |
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| 10:17.18 | omis | hey fokes |
| 10:17.21 | omis | need backup :] |
| 10:17.36 | omis | iew got a hp nc4010 laptop |
| 10:17.38 | omis | http://www.netsplit.com/text/nc4010.html |
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| 10:17.59 | omis | but i cant get my tvout work :[ |
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| 10:19.08 | d0ugie | omis: ati? |
| 10:19.09 | omis | its very annoying :[ |
| 10:19.16 | omis | yes |
| 10:19.21 | omis | ati radeon 340m |
| 10:19.28 | d0ugie | ok there's a package for this .. lemme think |
| 10:19.50 | d0ugie | oh make sure you turn the computer on with the rca in the tv, tv on listening to that rca |
| 10:20.00 | omis | it sucks to watch movies on 12" :P |
| 10:20.21 | d0ugie | apt-get install atitvout |
| 10:20.46 | d0ugie | First do the RCA thing as i said if you haven't already, then mess with that prog |
| 10:20.48 | omis | do i have to trix whit my xconf? |
| 10:21.00 | d0ugie | it toggles the video out (hopefully) |
| 10:21.05 | omis | oki |
| 10:21.08 | kofj | esd will start every time the computer starts ,hmmmmmmmm,how to forbidden it? |
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| 10:21.39 | d0ugie | on the laptop you may have to hit Fn something to switch video modes until you get not just computer stuff on the tv but video as well. You cannot have video video on both your monitor and the tv |
| 10:21.40 | harrydg | hmm... it SHOULD do the mount! but it doesn't |
| 10:21.43 | harrydg | damn this! |
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| 10:22.11 | pulaski | hello, |
| 10:22.40 | Raam | How do I tell my debian/apache2 to enable execution of perl scripts.. when I try to access it over the web, all it will do is try to save or open it as a file, rather than execute it. |
| 10:22.47 | omis | d0ugie: the rca option do i have to enable it in the kernel? |
| 10:22.56 | omis | any good howto? :x |
| 10:22.59 | xinming | anyone here can tell me where to find the ghc6.4 for debian? :-S |
| 10:23.09 | pulaski | I'll be beginning a programming class in java soon. Can any one recommend any debian packages for java development? |
| 10:23.25 | xinming | I've messaged apt and dpkg bot, the information is too old |
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| 10:24.01 | s_ward | Raam: CGI or mod_perl? Are they enabled? Use a2enmod to enable them if not |
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| 10:25.03 | pulaski | exit |
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| 10:25.34 | acidbrain | liable: i could not find anything :( But i discovered that i can't do "cat /dev/psaux" anymore. It says "Keyboard timed out[1]". Is there a way to reset it? |
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| 10:26.49 | xrgtn | harrydg: /dev perms? grep tmp /proc/filesystems? |
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| 10:27.03 | liable | acidbrain: got spare mouse and keyboard? i really dont know, sorry. |
| 10:27.11 | Thunder000 | are there any common repositories other than backport for sarge ? |
| 10:27.39 | liable | Thunder000: for what? |
| 10:27.53 | xrgtn | Thunder000: http://snapshot.debian.net/ for accessing old revs... |
| 10:27.57 | omis | d0ugie: damn cant find anything that would help me out |
| 10:28.06 | omis | grr |
| 10:28.37 | xrgtn | bullshit. Can samba server work with kerberos at all without joining ADS? |
| 10:29.00 | liable | acidbrain: I have no idea why you would start getting errors like that, just from changing res.. |
| 10:29.04 | xrgtn | I just want auth to go through my krb, that's all |
| 10:29.11 | Thunder000 | liable: like for realplayer, mplayer... other multimidia files .... the normal repositories of sarge don't include them |
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| 10:29.21 | liable | !marillat |
| 10:29.21 | dpkg | from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 10:29.40 | liable | Thunder000: realplayer from helios |
| 10:29.40 | harrydg | xrgtn: it's there... |
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| 10:29.51 | harrydg | GOD FUCKING DAMMIT! |
| 10:29.53 | xrgtn | marillat -- for mp3 libs and similar shit? |
| 10:29.58 | harrydg | i did the mount by hand once |
| 10:30.03 | harrydg | rebooted now, and now it works! |
| 10:30.16 | xrgtn | strange |
| 10:30.32 | Thunder000 | liable: what is helios ? |
| 10:30.43 | liable | Thunder000: google it. |
| 10:31.03 | harrydg | okay... now for the next problem |
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| 10:31.05 | Thunder000 | k |
| 10:31.15 | harrydg | multipath starts... but there are no new nodes created... |
| 10:31.28 | harrydg | where can i find the compile options of the udev package? |
| 10:31.35 | takatumi | liable: realplayer10 is at marillat as well. |
| 10:32.35 | liable | takatumi: oh. didnt know that. |
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| 10:33.07 | xrgtn | harrydg: I'm glad that at least for one man at least one problem is solved ;). As for my cries, #samba is still silent... |
| 10:33.09 | cjavad | how do i limit cpu usage for an application?? |
| 10:33.30 | liable | Thunder000: um, it was helix, not helios I was thinking of. sorry |
| 10:33.37 | xrgtn | harrydg: about compile/configure options -- apt-get source udev |
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| 10:34.01 | xrgtn | then look into debian/rules, as usual. It's all there. |
| 10:34.05 | sep | !helix |
| 10:34.06 | dpkg | HURRICANES ARE TERRORISM |
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| 10:34.16 | sep | hmm that was a very useful factoid ... |
| 10:34.28 | liable | heh, was thinking that myself.. |
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| 10:35.03 | JosephSpiros | hrmf, ntp.conf is confusing |
| 10:35.11 | JosephSpiros | I wish there was a nice simple ntp server :) |
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| 10:35.26 | JosephSpiros | openntpd seems to fit the bill though there's strange errors with init.d scripts |
| 10:35.26 | s_ward | cjavad: You can make the process "nicer" with nice and renice, so other processes take precedence when scheduling CPU time |
| 10:36.08 | acidbrain | Help! my dmesg output is full of "Keyboard timed out[1]" and the system does not respond to keyboard input. Is there a way to get rid of this via ssh without rebooting? |
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| 10:39.14 | sep | acidbrain, disconnect the keyboard ? :) |
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| 10:40.07 | rm-r | hi, how do i change desktop manager? |
| 10:40.34 | acidbrain | sep: hm, this might be an idea. But the system is on a kvm switch, i hope everything survives it :) |
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| 10:40.51 | EdLin | rm-r: I assume you mean window manager. update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 10:41.03 | rm-r | yes, thnx :) |
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| 10:41.46 | hyperstream | how do i reconfigure my new tv tuner ive just stuck into my pc. something to do with v4l? |
| 10:41.49 | deepan | what exactly is coreutils ? |
| 10:41.57 | harrydg | xrgtn: you have samba problem? |
| 10:42.19 | acidbrain | sep: it worked. Many thanks. Could have guessed this one on my own. Silly me |
| 10:42.37 | rm-r | hyp kernel 2.6 support v4l, no patches |
| 10:42.45 | hyperstream | yes i no |
| 10:42.54 | deepan | rm-r: what is hyp ? |
| 10:43.01 | hyperstream | i just had a tv tuner in here had issues so i decided to buy a new one that has more support for linux |
| 10:43.04 | EdLin | deepan: info coreutils |
| 10:43.18 | rm-r | deep is short for hyperstream (user) |
| 10:43.25 | harrydg | rm-r: you should change your nick to: +(){ +|+& };+ |
| 10:43.27 | harrydg | :p |
| 10:43.35 | rm-r | hype: you can install tvtime and see if it works... it should |
| 10:43.37 | deepan | i never thought there existed a man page for coreutils EdLin :-( |
| 10:43.43 | hyperstream | i have tvtime installed |
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| 10:43.49 | hyperstream | let me get some info to pastebin |
| 10:43.51 | hyperstream | 1 second |
| 10:43.55 | EdLin | rm-r: most IRC clients have tab-completion for nicsk |
| 10:43.58 | EdLin | nicks* |
| 10:44.20 | rm-r | EdLin, yup :) |
| 10:44.26 | EdLin | deepan: there is no manpage, but there's one in infospace. :-) |
| 10:44.29 | rm-r | EdLin, i just discovered it :) |
| 10:44.43 | harrydg | xrgtn: you gone?? |
| 10:44.58 | harrydg | hmm.. lunchtime... i'll try to see if i can help you after lunch... |
| 10:45.01 | rm-r | harrydg, y? |
| 10:45.11 | deepan | but both make me educated if i READ ;-) EdLin |
| 10:45.16 | harrydg | rm-r: less obvious what it does as a command :) |
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| 10:45.35 | harrydg | run it in a shell and you'll know what i mean ;) |
| 10:45.37 | rm-r | harrydg, oh... actually i do not know what it does... :) |
| 10:45.42 | harrydg | lol |
| 10:45.45 | rm-r | harrydg, but no spacee allowed... |
| 10:45.57 | rm-r | harrydg, i want to write rm -r .* |
| 10:46.18 | tenner | #gentoo |
| 10:46.43 | harrydg | rm-r: that's just plain stupid! |
| 10:46.46 | hyperstream | rm-r: http://pastebin.com/339778 |
| 10:46.53 | harrydg | just give someone a real ... am hint ;) |
| 10:47.01 | harrydg | rm -rf ./ to delete a subdir |
| 10:47.12 | harrydg | but make a subtle mistake and write: rm -rf . / |
| 10:47.38 | xrgtn | harrydg: I was away. Yes, I have problem with samba and krb |
| 10:47.56 | harrydg | xrgtn: i'll help you in an hour or so... |
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| 10:48.21 | hyperstream | rm-r, : any idea's looks fine to me |
| 10:48.22 | xrgtn | thanks, I'll got to lunch then |
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| 10:48.31 | rm-r | harrydg, ok i'll try on my brand new Debiabn box :P |
| 10:48.44 | harrydg | hehe |
| 10:48.47 | harrydg | rm-r: you'll die |
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| 10:49.05 | harrydg | rm-r: you don't know what rm -rf . / does??? |
| 10:49.12 | harrydg | in that case... change your nick |
| 10:49.14 | harrydg | ;) |
| 10:49.31 | ricky_clarkson | rm -Rf / doesn't get rid of everything, because /proc is not deletable. |
| 10:49.41 | ricky_clarkson | So it stops at /proc and /usr is fine. I think. |
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| 10:49.46 | ricky_clarkson | I did it once on Corel Linux. |
| 10:49.51 | rm-r | EdLin, i meant: how can i switch from kdm to gdm... |
| 10:49.55 | harrydg | ricky_clarkson: not quite... |
| 10:50.01 | harrydg | the -f says: fuckit! |
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| 10:50.16 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, carry on anyway? |
| 10:50.22 | rm-r | harrydg, well yes, i know |
| 10:50.25 | hyperstream | rm-r, ?????? |
| 10:50.54 | rm-r | hyperstream, w8 a minute... |
| 10:51.20 | rm-r | hyperstream, what is the problem exactly? |
| 10:51.22 | olifant | Hallo allemaal |
| 10:52.18 | smartbhai | hi people.. i am trying to run mplayer by specifying it in the xinitrc file ..but it wont work |
| 10:52.22 | harrydg | ricky_clarkson: btw. if /bin and /sbin is gone... you'll have some serious problems booting :) |
| 10:52.55 | ricky_clarkson | And /home will be the killer, data loss is more important than application loss. |
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| 10:53.11 | olifant | How can I run audio drivers? |
| 10:53.11 | hyperstream | /dev/video0 |
| 10:53.14 | harrydg | home is before proc normally |
| 10:53.14 | hyperstream | not working |
| 10:53.18 | james | What is the command to configure the screensaver? |
| 10:53.19 | harrydg | anyway... just test it |
| 10:53.27 | harrydg | rm -rf / really does the trick ;) |
| 10:53.29 | hyperstream | take a look @: http://pastebin.com/339778 |
| 10:53.31 | hyperstream | for info |
| 10:53.48 | harrydg | or make it even more fun: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<disk> count=1 bs=512 |
| 10:53.50 | harrydg | moehaha! |
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| 10:54.25 | dimir | :-) |
| 10:54.27 | dimir | well, that's easy to fix |
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| 10:55.09 | harrydg | byte 0 to 446: bootsector, 447 to 510 (64 bytes) prim partition table |
| 10:55.43 | dimir | oh |
| 10:55.44 | dimir | then it's not :-) |
| 10:55.47 | nebaid | how to handle security on debian debian sid ? |
| 10:55.54 | harrydg | and the next is 0x55aa |
| 10:56.22 | harrydg | end of partition table + marker :) |
| 10:56.40 | harrydg | anyway... LUNCH |
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| 10:57.08 | rAz__ | hello, i tryed to settup artwiz font aleczapka on my debian, i used to create local.conf in /etc/fonts coz it doesnt exist, i used this url : http://pastebin.com/339699 and the README file but it doesnt work .. someone could helpe me ? thx |
| 10:57.56 | jm_ | rAz__: Debian comes with default fonts.conf in /etc/fonts |
| 10:57.58 | dimir | what's the marker for? |
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| 10:58.40 | dimir | but, yeah, right, lunch. |
| 10:59.17 | rAz__ | i also tryed but it doesnt work ... there since i created the local.conf, the fonts are bitmapped but <dir>aleczapkadir</dir> didnt work |
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| 10:59.57 | jm_ | artwiz fonts are bitmap fonts, right? |
| 11:00.06 | rAz__ | yep |
| 11:00.07 | jm_ | bitmapped* |
| 11:00.16 | cahoot | rAz__: bitmapped fonts enabled? |
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| 11:00.19 | rAz__ | sure |
| 11:00.29 | jm_ | you need to enable support for bitmapped fonts in fontconfig if you want your apps using fontconfig to make use of them |
| 11:00.31 | rAz__ | good display atm. but not the artwiz :/ |
| 11:00.41 | rAz__ | standards fonts bitmapped :) |
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| 11:01.06 | james | What is the command to manualy adjust the resolution? |
| 11:01.09 | cahoot | rAz__: xset -fp rehash |
| 11:01.39 | amphi | james: xrandr ? |
| 11:01.43 | james | thats the one, thanks |
| 11:01.54 | rAz__ | cahoot, xset: warning, no entries deleted from font path |
| 11:02.03 | jm_ | cahoot: without the '-' |
| 11:02.03 | rAz__ | mh in the font dir perhaps ? :p |
| 11:02.28 | rAz__ | nah doesnt work... :/ |
| 11:02.33 | rAz__ | ah |
| 11:03.05 | rAz__ | exec xset fp rehash ; echo $? |
| 11:03.09 | rAz__ | oops |
| 11:03.20 | rAz__ | return 0 .. its ok ? |
| 11:03.47 | rAz__ | brb |
| 11:03.56 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 11:03.56 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd38 is <greg_work> if i want to do nfs stuff, whats the best thing to use? NFS, or is there something better? |
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| 11:04.44 | rAz__ | no changed |
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| 11:05.47 | cahoot | rAz__: the fonts are in a dir that's included in FontPath? |
| 11:06.13 | rAz__ | in XF86config-4 u mean ? |
| 11:06.19 | cahoot | yes |
| 11:06.20 | rAz__ | yes it is |
| 11:06.49 | jm_ | he has all sorts of dirs listed in local.conf, there's no need to do a lot of that |
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| 11:07.11 | ricky_clarkson | Is a netmask of 0.0.0.0 valid? |
| 11:07.16 | rAz__ | thats it |
| 11:07.24 | cahoot | jm_: thought apps that don't use fonconfig |
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| 11:08.04 | rAz__ | i downloaded a fluxbox style which use aleczapka font.. i already set it.. |
| 11:08.14 | rAz__ | perhaps it s due to my local settings ? |
| 11:08.16 | rAz__ | im french |
| 11:08.30 | rAz__ | LC_ALL = fr@euro |
| 11:08.31 | ricky_clarkson | pebbas |
| 11:08.37 | ricky_clarkson | !pebbas |
| 11:08.40 | jm_ | cahoot: yeah but he was asking specificaly about fonts.conf, not sure he knows what he's doing |
| 11:08.48 | ricky_clarkson | !pebbas is <reply>Problem Exists Between Britain And Spain |
| 11:08.48 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: okay |
| 11:09.04 | jm_ | :) |
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| 11:10.06 | cahoot | rAz__: run fc-cache -fv - see what gives |
| 11:10.11 | ricky_clarkson | I had my gf laughing at pebcam. |
| 11:10.21 | rAz__ | it sayed me it is ok |
| 11:10.35 | rAz__ | and added in font.cache the aleczapka line |
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| 11:10.40 | finn_ | wtf is pebbas? |
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| 11:10.45 | ricky_clarkson | !pebbas |
| 11:10.45 | dpkg | Problem Exists Between Britain And Spain |
| 11:10.49 | jm_ | finn_: AKA France |
| 11:10.49 | finn_ | ... |
| 11:10.56 | finn_ | haha |
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| 11:11.12 | ricky_clarkson | finn_: Please press the Any key to continue. |
| 11:11.20 | rAz__ | returned : succeeded |
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| 11:11.47 | Eclipser | "The Debian and Ubuntu operating systems are now supported by the ATI Installer Package Generator. Updates have occured to the SuSE package generation." \o/ |
| 11:11.57 | Eclipser | ATI is making progress |
| 11:12.06 | finn_ | SuSE? :( |
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| 11:12.38 | ricky_clarkson | Updates have occured? Sounds pretty random. |
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| 11:12.48 | ricky_clarkson | Do you reckon they lost some data and called it an update? |
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| 11:13.19 | Eclipser | hehe |
| 11:13.25 | rAz__ | well.. i try to help myself. sry for disturb |
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| 11:14.10 | paradise | this channel is always running since i last come here at yeah 2004 |
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| 11:14.45 | Bwl | Is it recommended to use GCC 3.3 or 3.4 to compile a 2.4 kernel in sarge? |
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| 11:14.58 | Eclipser | they still haven't fixed the leak in GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap though :< |
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| 11:15.14 | miguelzinho | I have a box with adaptec aic7902 scsi, hot swap, i'm trying do add a new disk, i plug the disk: scs1: Someone reset channel A |
| 11:15.20 | zimnyx | have you any problems in booting gnome (debian unstable) ? |
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| 11:16.03 | xrgtn | Bwl: any. 2.95 IIRC will fit too |
| 11:16.05 | miguelzinho | using commands like scsiadd does not work, i do scsiadd -s do scan, but nothing happens, cat /proc/scsi does not show my disk |
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| 11:16.19 | xrgtn | Bwl: I mean for 2.4 |
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| 11:16.37 | `off | lol |
| 11:16.50 | `off | /msg dpkg install debian |
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| 11:20.07 | shingouz | miguelzinho: rescan-scsi-bus |
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| 11:32.55 | metaperl | is 300.00 for a maxtor 300gb external hard drive a good price? |
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| 11:33.23 | petemc | metaperl: 300 lira? great! |
| 11:33.24 | sep | metaperl, now that depends entierly on what currency you talk about |
| 11:33.37 | Mage\work | metaperl: 300 euros ? no. |
| 11:33.38 | sep | ib buy if for 300 Nok atleast |
| 11:34.13 | metaperl | 300USD |
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| 11:34.49 | ricky_clarkson | 300USD? How many shillings is that? |
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| 11:35.03 | petemc | its a few bob |
| 11:35.17 | ricky_clarkson | petemc: Ok, but don't call me bob. |
| 11:35.22 | petemc | *bam* |
| 11:35.32 | DracoTech | How do I get debian to load into a gui rather than text. |
| 11:35.40 | steini | where is the mondo website today? |
| 11:35.44 | petemc | DracoTech: install a display manager, like gdm, xdm etc |
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| 11:35.47 | ricky_clarkson | DracoTech: /etc/init.d/xdm start (or gdm or kdm or sdm). |
| 11:35.48 | sep | DracoTech, install kdm or gdm or xdm |
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| 11:36.42 | DracoTech | Can I add a string to the grub loader to make it go to gui by default. |
| 11:36.45 | DeadLine | hi there, how is it possible that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 does not write any file? |
| 11:36.52 | sep | !xmd5 |
| 11:36.53 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 11:37.23 | ricky_clarkson | I don't get why it doesn't TELL you that the checksum error is there. |
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| 11:37.33 | ricky_clarkson | STUPID UNUSABLE SHITE. |
| 11:37.36 | ricky_clarkson | Not that I care. |
| 11:37.46 | sep | DeadLine, and it's all explained in the top of the file you edited manualy. |
| 11:37.46 | petemc | ricky_clarkson: its an oversight, not the end of the world tho :) |
| 11:37.52 | jm_ | DracoTech: you mean run GRUB in graphical mode or what? |
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| 11:38.13 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: I think he means to start X on boot. |
| 11:38.36 | DracoTech | No run linux in graphic mode, but put a string in grub to load up to that level instead of loading to text. |
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| 11:38.40 | sep | DracoTech, apt-get install gdm |
| 11:38.50 | liable | DracoTech: why dont you just do what you were advised? |
| 11:38.53 | sep | DracoTech, like 4 persons was trying to tell you earlier. |
| 11:39.19 | DeadLine | sep: i remove every XF86Config file before executing the dpkg-reconfigure command, so there should be a new file created right? |
| 11:39.26 | petemc | sep: because he's decided he wants to do it via grub, and no one else can tell him otherwise |
| 11:39.29 | sep | DracoTech, and there is no difference in the runlevels in debian unless you manualy set them different, this is not redhat |
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| 11:39.44 | liable | DracoTech: have actually installed any sort of window manager or anything? |
| 11:40.00 | sep | DeadLine, only if the md5 match |
| 11:40.02 | liable | you.. |
| 11:40.15 | DracoTech | I know that there is no difference my client prefers gui. |
| 11:40.24 | DeadLine | sep: what should the md5 sum match if there is no file? |
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| 11:40.32 | sep | DeadLine, you woudnt want a script to overwrite your carefully crafted tunings now would you |
| 11:40.35 | acal | hi |
| 11:40.39 | Alfafa | Does anyone know what has happened with gnome programs. I normally run unstable & and would just see what happened in experimental(yes I know it was dangerous). Know all my gnome programs segfaults it seems |
| 11:40.56 | petemc | Alfafa: seems like you answered your own question there |
| 11:40.57 | sep | DeadLine, touch the file, and recreate the md5 like the factoid said |
| 11:41.01 | liable | Alfafa: haha |
| 11:41.32 | Alfafa | yeahh..hmm...what is causing it I believe I should write ;-) |
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| 11:41.59 | sep | Alfafa, probably some guy with root on your box upgraded to experimental |
| 11:42.13 | acal | when i look at /proc/interrupts i see my MegaRaid2 controller have interrupt 36, isn't that a bit high for a IRQ? |
| 11:42.18 | shingouz | Alfafa: still the same. "unstable" and "experimental" should be pretty clear on what they mean |
| 11:42.19 | Alfafa | I think it was some new libcairo or maybe some X libraries updated |
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| 11:43.02 | liable | convoy! |
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| 11:43.08 | k-man_ | which window manager is peoples favourite? |
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| 11:43.53 | sep | !window manager |
| 11:43.54 | dpkg | i guess window manager is includes: 9wm, aewm, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoison, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. TWIN (Text mode). Pickers: selectwm and wmanager. No WM-picker-picker. Yet. |
| 11:44.06 | DeadLine | omg |
| 11:44.10 | jm_ | !start a wm war |
| 11:44.10 | sep | pick one |
| 11:44.10 | dpkg | X bites! |
| 11:44.15 | sep | or try all of them in turn |
| 11:44.22 | DeadLine | dpkg just saks |
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| 11:45.38 | RainbowW | i've forgotten: what's the magic to get php4 to actually work under apache2, using the sarge packages? when i run phpmyadmin (http://localhost/phpmyadmin/) or other php pages the httpd tries to download the php, not use the interpreter to render them into html. what did i forget? |
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| 11:46.02 | sep | RainbowW, and you ahve installed libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
| 11:46.17 | sep | RainbowW, and restarted apache2 (duh!) |
| 11:46.45 | RainbowW | sep: see, i knew it was something simple. since dselect isn't working the way i want it (another long-standing issue) i couldn't figure this out. thx. |
| 11:46.55 | jm_ | brave soul ;) |
| 11:47.35 | umbop | hmm is there software for web page creation like dreamweaver equivalent? |
| 11:47.42 | Mage\work | vim |
| 11:47.46 | amphi | ;) |
| 11:47.50 | umbop | vim is not like dreamewaver |
| 11:47.55 | petemc | thats not like dreamweaver at all |
| 11:47.57 | amphi | emacs |
| 11:48.01 | petemc | nor that |
| 11:48.02 | umbop | these are all editors |
| 11:48.06 | amphi | at least it's bigger |
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| 11:48.22 | RainbowW | actually while i hadn't installed libapache2-mod-php4, now that i have (and restarted apache2) ... i'm still getting the same error. |
| 11:48.28 | RainbowW | yeah but you can't do irc in vim. |
| 11:48.30 | amphi | umbop: there's something called bluefish IIRC, but I've never seen it |
| 11:48.40 | umbop | hmm cool i might have a look |
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| 11:49.10 | liable | umbop: nvu |
| 11:49.13 | petemc | dreamweaver runs with crossover, i think |
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| 11:49.20 | sep | RainbowW, you didnt mess around with your configs while troubleshooting did you ? |
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| 11:49.43 | RainbowW | sep: no. i haven't even gotten to setting up virtualhosts in apache yet. |
| 11:50.06 | umbop | thanks :) |
| 11:51.11 | sep | RainbowW, you have php4.conf and php4.load in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled ? if not then run a2enmod |
| 11:51.54 | RainbowW | sep, yes, libapache2-mod-php4 installs them automatically. |
| 11:52.36 | sep | RainbowW, then i have no clue, i never need to do more then that iirc |
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| 11:52.57 | sep | RainbowW, stop apache make sure it's realy gone, start it again, and check your php script |
| 11:53.31 | sep | your /etc/php4/apache2/php4.ini is sane ? |
| 11:53.36 | jm_ | sometimes you'll need to make sure your web browser is actually reloading the page as well, I've seen it happen |
| 11:53.43 | jm_ | so try another browser |
| 11:53.51 | jm_ | i.e. lynx/links/... |
| 11:53.55 | sep | RainbowW, yeah cache can trick you |
| 11:54.01 | acal | when do i need to use the "noapic" command at boot time? cause i read docs on noapci, that you only need to supply a noapic boot param if you OS doesn't support it, but that sounds a bit nosence |
| 11:54.30 | jm_ | acal: if your kernel has support for APIC enabled and you have problems with it |
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| 11:55.05 | RainbowW | ah indeed, looks like cache. thank you muchly. i normally don't cache shit but this isn't my computer so i forget about it :) |
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| 11:55.56 | acal | jm_: how do i know i have problems with the APIC? cause i'm having troubles with loading my MegaRaid2 driver on 2.4.9 kernel but i'm not sure if it's because of APIC controller |
| 11:56.07 | jm_ | acal: things won't work right |
| 11:56.28 | acal | jm_: okee i have a APIC problem then, cause things don't work right on my system :-) |
| 11:56.33 | lilldude | liable |
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| 11:57.29 | liable | 2.4.9? |
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| 11:58.09 | liable | acal: why are you using that kernel, and where did you get it? |
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| 11:58.45 | Psy0rz | can debian packages also be builded in buildroots? |
| 11:58.47 | Psy0rz | automaticly? |
| 11:59.19 | acal | liable: it's on a older system |
| 11:59.27 | acal | liable: why? |
| 11:59.27 | Psy0rz | or are packages builded against the filesystem you are starting the debian tools from? |
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| 12:00.18 | liable | acal: just a very strange kernel version to be using these days.. what version of debian? |
| 12:00.32 | liable | s/strange/old |
| 12:00.36 | jm_ | acal: tried passing pci=noacpi? |
| 12:01.13 | acal | liable: 3.0 |
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| 12:02.27 | oxez | how would I make my system use ISO-8859-1 instead of UTF-8? |
| 12:02.38 | valdyn_ | oxez: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 12:03.04 | jethro | !lart utf-8 users |
| 12:03.04 | oxez | valdyn_, I did that.. |
| 12:03.06 | liable | acal: didnt even know woody had that kernel version. |
| 12:03.19 | greycat | woody has 2.4.18 and 2.2.20 |
| 12:03.22 | valdyn_ | oxez: and? your problem? |
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| 12:03.39 | oxez | valdyn_, In MySQL it says that the system's charset is still utf-8 |
| 12:03.40 | greycat | forgot to logout and back in? |
| 12:03.43 | acal | liable: upgraded from 2.9 to 3.0 without upgrading kernel |
| 12:03.58 | greycat | "the system" doesn't have a "charset". |
| 12:04.02 | liable | acal: ah. why not upgrade it? |
| 12:04.09 | jethro | acal: there's never been a debian 2.9 afaict |
| 12:04.18 | greycat | your process has an environment, and that environment has a set of name-value pairs in it called "environment variables" |
| 12:04.20 | valdyn_ | oxez: thats probably a mysql issue, not a debian thing, but since i do not use mysql i cant help you |
| 12:04.28 | greycat | one of those variables defines which locale you have chosen to use at that moment |
| 12:04.58 | oxez | valdyn_, and firefox chooses utf-8 as default. I want it to choose iso-8859-1 :/ |
| 12:05.10 | greycat | oxez: type "locale" in a shell window |
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| 12:05.31 | valdyn_ | oxez: firefox will use whatever it 'detects' or whatever you set in firefox settings |
| 12:05.53 | oxez | valdyn_, firefox chooses utf-8 by default only on localhost |
| 12:06.00 | DeadLine | on a laptop i have 2 mice: an usb mouse and the touchpad. do i have to configure something special except having 2 device entries in XF86Config-4 ? |
| 12:06.07 | oxez | greycat, it's fr_CA everywhere |
| 12:06.15 | acal | liable: specific hardware requirments |
| 12:06.15 | greycat | oxez: is that what you want? |
| 12:06.18 | valdyn_ | oxez: eh? you mean only if you view http://localhost/ ? |
| 12:06.41 | liable | acal: ok |
| 12:06.52 | oxez | greycat, yes.. but it seems it's still utf-8 |
| 12:06.53 | valdyn_ | DeadLine: you dont even need 2 device entries if you device is named /dev/input/mice, iirc |
| 12:07.02 | oxez | valdyn_, yes |
| 12:07.53 | bibe | DeadLine : if you want to make full use of synaptics driver's options, use both entries such as here: http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/sarge/XF86Config-4.txt |
| 12:08.11 | DeadLine | valdyn_: why my touchpad is playing crazy then, moving the pointer results in clicking and such |
| 12:08.32 | silverbb | when I try to install bugzilla, I get an error 'no such group: apache' ... how do I go about adding that group? |
| 12:08.46 | valdyn_ | DeadLine: that's what touchpads normally do. i dont like it, i dont use it. |
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| 12:09.03 | valdyn_ | DeadLine: hitting on it makes it 'click' |
| 12:09.05 | oxez | valdyn_, my website looks weird in UTF-8, but when I change it to iso-8859-1, it looks okay |
| 12:09.29 | bibe | DeadLine : the point is to use both entries setting the touchpad as CorePointer and activating SendCoreEvents on the other mouse |
| 12:10.23 | DeadLine | valdyn_: i mean moving the pointer, opens windows |
| 12:10.28 | valdyn_ | oxez: looks like the problem iswith your website. |
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| 12:10.49 | valdyn_ | oxez: i cant teach you html, unfortunately. |
| 12:10.56 | DeadLine | bibe: but how do i tell X which mouse is which one |
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| 12:11.10 | oxez | valdyn_, nah it's not my html, it worked great on winxp |
| 12:11.37 | valdyn_ | oxez: winxp is an OS |
| 12:11.52 | bibe | DeadLine : each Section "InputDevice" has its own Identifier |
| 12:12.03 | valdyn_ | oxez: im not at all sure how choice of OS should be related to how your webbrowser displays certain sites |
| 12:12.13 | EdLin | oxez: one of the few things IE is good at is rendering broken websites like they aren't broken |
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| 12:13.18 | bibe | DeadLine : in your Section "ServerLayout" you have to put two InputDevice lines, each pointing to one of the Identifiers listed above |
| 12:13.25 | valdyn_ | DeadLine: sounds like your X is using the wrong mouse protocol |
| 12:14.29 | oxez | EdLin, on winxp I use firefox ;p |
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| 12:14.53 | oxez | valdyn_, I installed ubuntu to try a new distro.. not to test web browsers |
| 12:15.02 | silverbb | is there a way with ps to display the user each process is running as? |
| 12:15.07 | bibe | ATI released a new version of the fglrx driver, I hope it will work OK with the 2.6.12 kernels |
| 12:15.15 | oxez | valdyn_, on windows IE displays my website correctly, now if I view my website from a computer in my network, in IE, it looks weird |
| 12:15.18 | valdyn_ | oxez: oh, your in the wrong channel too |
| 12:15.22 | oxez | My system is wrong |
| 12:15.38 | bibe | anyone already using version 8.16.20? |
| 12:15.42 | EdLin | !ubuntu |
| 12:15.42 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 12:15.46 | greycat | bibe: ask #ati |
| 12:15.50 | valdyn_ | oxez: this is purely a thing between your html code and the webbrowser... |
| 12:15.56 | bibe | greycat : thx |
| 12:16.06 | EdLin | oxez: and besides, you are running Ubuntu, so you're on the wrong channel |
| 12:16.37 | oxez | ok, so rumors were right debian people are weir |
| 12:16.38 | oxez | bye |
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| 12:16.42 | greycat | fucking trolls. |
| 12:18.09 | liable | we are weir? |
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| 12:18.40 | mia1 | weird geek? |
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| 12:20.01 | greycat | Weir n. 1. A dam in a river to stop and raise the water, for the purpose of conducting it to a mill, forming a fish pond, or the like. |
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| 12:21.04 | asg | Weir n. 2. bob2's last name |
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| 12:24.08 | zap-clone | hello |
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| 12:24.37 | CountZ | hm... what package contains HEAD? |
| 12:24.38 | zap-clone | how can I boot my system (sarge) from floppy? grub somehow managed to break after the installation |
| 12:25.03 | asg | CountZ: the perl LWP package iirc |
| 12:25.07 | jm_ | CountZ: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:25.09 | CountZ | oh yes. |
| 12:25.10 | asg | CountZ: apt-file search ... |
| 12:25.15 | CountZ | jm: tried that |
| 12:25.16 | zap-clone | there must be something like "linux root=/foo" |
| 12:25.24 | zap-clone | but I don't know what... |
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| 12:25.28 | CountZ | and my apt-file does not like me :-\ |
| 12:25.29 | jm_ | CountZ: then why are you still asking here? |
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| 12:25.38 | greycat | zap-clone: boot from the install CD, then at the first interaction with the menu, press alt-f2 to get a shell, then mount your root FS, then chroot into it, then reinstall the boot loader |
| 12:25.39 | asg | CountZ: then apt-file update |
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| 12:26.17 | eikes | hi! I'm looking for not-too-bad-quality automatic software resampling for audio playback. I read that alsa is not very good at this. any recommendations? |
| 12:26.31 | CountZ | my apt-file crashes because of some issue I have with libraries |
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| 12:26.54 | valdyn_ | eikes: you want to do what exactly? |
| 12:27.08 | eikes | valdyn_: play back songs, watch movies, ... :o) |
| 12:27.20 | eikes | ...play games (like doom III) |
| 12:27.34 | valdyn_ | eikes: alsa does that well enough |
| 12:28.05 | jair | hello guys |
| 12:28.24 | eikes | valdyn_: have you got a pointer how i can configure automatic resampling fot alsa? |
| 12:28.36 | mia1 | eikes: audacity.sf.net |
| 12:28.48 | valdyn_ | eikes: it does that |
| 12:28.51 | greycat | or ask #alsa |
| 12:28.52 | valdyn_ | eikes: by default. |
| 12:29.02 | valdyn_ | eikes: possibly to the wrong frequency, but it does that. |
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| 12:29.08 | jair | I wonder if is a software for Linux similar than acdsee or how can i make kde manipulate the images similar than gnome, for example showing the previous of the picture in athmbnail icon. |
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| 12:29.19 | Faithful | Is AMD64 in the main dist yet? |
| 12:29.21 | eikes | valdyn_: lol does this help, resampling to the wrong frenquency? |
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| 12:29.31 | greycat | Faithful: not "officially", ask #debian-amd64 |
| 12:29.50 | valdyn_ | eikes: so your problem really is that alsa outputs sound at the wrong sample rate? |
| 12:30.06 | eikes | mia1: thanks, but i didn't want to reample files. i wanted to resample the output of games, e.g. |
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| 12:31.00 | _the13th | uhm - why do you want to do that?? |
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| 12:31.13 | eikes | valdyn_: i didn't have a too deep look at this yet, because i read it wouldn't do good resampling anyway. i just played y bit with aplay which didn't always resample |
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| 12:31.34 | jair | whne I browse or try to open a image png, jpg or gif it is hard to work with it because the applications on kde do not allow me to get a preview/ |
| 12:31.49 | jair | or at least the thumbnails of the pictures |
| 12:32.00 | greycat | 08:31 #kde 148 KDE 3.4.2 is out: |
| 12:32.01 | valdyn_ | eikes: maybe your sound file was just broken, maybe your need to specify a sample rate in ~/.asoundrc |
| 12:32.05 | eikes | (with -Ddefault it doesn't, with -Dplug:default it does resampe) |
| 12:32.07 | greycat | hundred 'n' forty-eight of 'em. |
| 12:32.19 | jair | I have seen gnome doing that scince long time ago |
| 12:32.26 | greycat | I haven't. |
| 12:32.30 | greycat | Because I don't use KDE or GONME. |
| 12:32.42 | zap-clone | greycat: hmm, I don't have /dev/hda when booting from floppy (It loaded the drivers though)... |
| 12:32.54 | jair | greycat ohh what do you use then? xfc4? |
| 12:32.57 | jm_ | zap-clone: it uses devfs |
| 12:32.58 | greycat | zap-clone: yeah, the installer uses devfs because the DDs are on crack. |
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| 12:33.03 | jair | it do not have that either |
| 12:33.04 | greycat | jair: fvwm |
| 12:33.22 | jair | greycat it do not have that either |
| 12:33.23 | eikes | valdyn_: I'll do some more listening... :o) |
| 12:33.24 | zap-clone | greycat: hmm, how do I access hda1 then? |
| 12:33.33 | greycat | jair: yeah, funny isn't it? so why not ask #kde? |
| 12:33.37 | valdyn_ | !dmix |
| 12:33.37 | dpkg | well, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 12:34.10 | valdyn_ | eikes: ^^^ this is about dmix. however the sample asoundrc should be good enough to just take how sample rate is specified from it. |
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| 12:34.35 | eikes | valdyn_: that looks interesting, thanks! |
| 12:34.35 | valdyn_ | eikes: also, if aplay only sometimes outputs at the wrong sample rate then its probbably not an alsa issue. |
| 12:34.38 | Fuwex | dpkg sudo |
| 12:34.38 | dpkg | hmm... sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 12:34.46 | jair | because scince here are debian users like me, they may know about a program that manipulate images giving you a preview while you browse them and it is not the gimp |
| 12:35.16 | jm_ | gqview, gthumb, ... |
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| 12:36.37 | valdyn_ | eikes: alsa will resample to the wrong rate for some soundcards. ( but then *all* playback that doesnt use direct output should be sampled wrongly ) |
| 12:36.44 | eikes | valdyn_: it seems you're right, mplayer, xmms and kaffeine are playing my test file at the right rate (without dmix). |
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| 12:37.11 | eikes | valdyn_: i've got an ICE1712 wich seems to have more problems than other drivers... :-/ |
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| 12:37.22 | _the13th | <- still doesn't get, why anyone wants to upsample sounds.... |
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| 12:37.42 | valdyn_ | _the13th: he doesnt, he just wants sound to be played 'correctly' |
| 12:38.02 | eikes | _the13th: my sound card wants it to be upsampled... |
| 12:38.09 | _the13th | then I understood it wrong ;) |
| 12:38.15 | Coke | _the13th: because some sound devices doesn't have a DSP that can resample. |
| 12:38.17 | eikes | I'm just the slave of my devices ;o) |
| 12:38.22 | _the13th | hmm - ac97 soundchip? |
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| 12:38.52 | eikes | ICE1712 - I paid some bucks for it once upon a time... :-/ |
| 12:38.55 | _the13th | btw: anyone got the dmx xfire 1024 to record from mic? |
| 12:39.10 | eikes | _the13th: TerraTec DMX6Fire |
| 12:39.13 | Coke | eikes: very good chipset! I have one too. |
| 12:39.28 | jm_ | Coke: does it do hardware mixing? |
| 12:39.32 | Coke | jm_: no |
| 12:39.37 | eikes | Coke: have you got a sophisicated .asoundrc? |
| 12:39.41 | _the13th | eikes> nope - the DMX XFire 1024 - a bit older then the 6fire |
| 12:39.57 | eikes | _the13th: mine -> TerraTec DMX6Fire |
| 12:40.03 | _the13th | ah - k |
| 12:40.08 | Fuwex | How do I set up my user in /etc/sudoers to not require a password? |
| 12:40.12 | _the13th | but afaik the 6fire does resampling |
| 12:40.13 | Coke | eikes: no. I think alsa is three times as complex as it should be. as with many GNU developers they seem to be better at programming than designing user interfaces (considering the config an UI) |
| 12:40.13 | jair | I am looking for a software to manipulate images in jpg png similar than the gimp but more lightweight. |
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| 12:40.25 | valdyn_ | Fuwex: man sudo, search for NOPASSWD |
| 12:40.30 | Fuwex | okay, thanks |
| 12:40.34 | jm_ | Coke: or writing documentation |
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| 12:40.59 | Coke | jm_: I don't think any document can defend the style/content of the alsa rc files. |
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| 12:41.06 | _the13th | grrrr - the lirc modules still doesn't want to compile |
| 12:41.13 | cahoot | jair: don't know it's weight bur imagemagick comes to mind |
| 12:41.18 | valdyn_ | jair: imagemagick |
| 12:42.07 | Fuwex | valdyn_, No pattern found :o I'll browse some through and see if I can find any |
| 12:42.21 | jair | valdyn_ cahoot thank you guys I am also looking at GQview |
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| 12:42.24 | jair | ;) |
| 12:42.25 | Fuwex | valdyn_, I found it in the sudoers man page though |
| 12:42.34 | valdyn_ | Fuwex: yea, me too ) |
| 12:42.38 | Fuwex | :) |
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| 12:43.01 | eikes | like most times this was very helpful. ciao! |
| 12:43.03 | jm_ | Coke: if at least they explained what all the things do rather than give you 10 examples and then you're stuck when you have to do something different |
| 12:43.16 | Coke | jm_: very true. that was my case exactly. |
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| 12:44.26 | Coke | jm_: I read thousands of lines of source code to figure out the things I wanted to do with my ICE1712 chipset soundcard. it is a 12 channel sound card without mixer which is pretty different from regular/gaming sound hardware. |
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| 12:44.52 | jm_ | Coke: no mixer? that's strange |
| 12:45.25 | Fuwex | valdyn_, hmm, I just add NOPASSWD behind the permission thingy and such in the /etc/sudoers then? |
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| 12:45.55 | greycat | !sudo |
| 12:45.55 | dpkg | i guess sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 12:46.03 | valdyn_ | Fuwex: valdyn ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL ( for example, to not require a password for anything ) |
| 12:46.10 | Fuwex | ah, okay, thanks |
| 12:46.11 | cahoot | _the13th: does /proc/asound/pcm declare a specific device for mic/capture - if address that one explicitly when recording |
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| 12:46.47 | cahoot | _the13th: err - if so address that one explicitly when recording |
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| 12:47.33 | _the13th | 00-00: CS46xx : CS46xx : playback 31 : capture 1 << uhm - and this tells me what? *g* |
| 12:47.36 | Coke | jm_: no, not for what I need it to do. it's a m-audio delta. it's used for recording multiple channels simultaneously with synchronized full duplex. |
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| 12:48.08 | Coke | jm_: that is, playback and recording is synched at lowest possible hw-level. |
| 12:48.24 | jm_ | Coke: synchronised how? |
| 12:48.24 | cahoot | _the13th: looks like hw:0,0 then |
| 12:48.30 | Coke | latched |
| 12:48.45 | Coke | low hw digital latching |
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| 12:49.27 | _the13th | as i want to use an application that needs oss (alsa-oss installed, /dev/dsp available) how could I check if this is set right? |
| 12:49.29 | valdyn_ | _the13th: hw:0,0 is a device that can playback 31 channels and record 1 |
| 12:49.46 | jm_ | Coke: I have problems understanding how you can synchronise input and output :) |
| 12:50.21 | Coke | jm_: by making sure that samples are played exactly at the same time as they are recorded. when using ordinary cards I always had to do post production synching of the channels. |
| 12:50.31 | _the13th | hmm - as I don't to paste around like a mad freak in the chan - anyone who wants to help me and would accept a query? |
| 12:51.05 | _the13th | +want |
| 12:51.17 | jm_ | Coke: but how do you influence that - I mean you start playing some sample, and then it starts recording at exactly the same time as the sound comes out - is that what you meant? |
| 12:51.25 | Coke | jm_: yes. |
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| 12:51.29 | jm_ | Coke: ahh makes sense |
| 12:51.34 | Dazgar1 | hi overthere |
| 12:51.49 | Fuwex | I got this MySQL restart script (I haven't made it)... It checks if MySQL runs and if it doesn't, it attempts to restart MySQL by doing this: $MSTART>/dev/null , where $MSTART is the path to MySQL. Well, I was wondering, if I want root to start MySQL, but launch the script from a normal user, can I just replace the $MSTART>/dev/null with 'sudo $MSTART>/dev/null' instead? |
| 12:51.57 | Fuwex | I've got sudo set up, it works fine |
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| 12:52.33 | jm_ | that's wrong, it should use mysql's init script |
| 12:52.39 | Dazgar1 | 've this king of error trying to compile a software, how can i tell gcc not to treeat warning as errors please |
| 12:52.39 | _the13th | uhm - why don't you simply use the /etc/init.d/mysql init? |
| 12:52.41 | Dazgar1 | cc1: warnings being treated as errors |
| 12:52.58 | Dazgar1 | how not to treat warnings as errors ? |
| 12:53.00 | greycat | are you starting the database itself in this way, or just the user interface that lets you query it? |
| 12:53.08 | Fuwex | the database server |
| 12:53.11 | greycat | Dazgar1: don't use -Werror |
| 12:53.23 | Fuwex | I haven't made the script I said, but I don't really want to change it, it seems to work |
| 12:53.23 | Coke | jm_: the card also features 128-bit float representation of the samples at a speed of 96khz. :) |
| 12:53.33 | Fuwex | or well, I don't know really |
| 12:53.35 | greycat | Fuwex: then a) it should be /etc/init.d/mysql start; b) it should be started already. |
| 12:53.50 | Dazgar1 | greycat: ok thanks, can i use a variable (via export or set) to desactivate it ? |
| 12:53.55 | Fuwex | $MSTART is set to /etc/init.d/mysql start |
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| 12:54.06 | maxxle | I have no expirience with external Harddisks that are connected via USB2.0. Is this possible without any trouble or is there something special you should pay attention on? |
| 12:54.10 | jm_ | Coke: do you use this for sound production? |
| 12:54.23 | greycat | Dazgar1: don't type the letters and characters that form the string "-Werror" when you type your gcc command. |
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| 12:54.33 | greycat | Dazgar1: how much more explicit do I have to be? |
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| 12:54.47 | Dazgar1 | greycat: ok man, thank you ;) |
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| 12:54.49 | Fuwex | greycat, but can you answer my question? Can I just put sudo infront? |
| 12:54.57 | greycat | Fuwex: don't be stupid. please. |
| 12:55.03 | Fuwex | ? |
| 12:55.06 | greycat | Fuwex: you're fucking around with things you clearly do NOT understand. |
| 12:55.14 | Fuwex | I guess. |
| 12:55.19 | Fuwex | okay, so that means a no then? |
| 12:55.20 | paster | "the13th" at 84.59.195.165 pasted "The Complete output of cat /proc/asound/pcm" (4 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/502 |
| 12:55.34 | jm_ | I found out there's little point telling such people about it, because they will do it anyway |
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| 12:55.59 | _the13th | if anyone could help - theres the paste ;) |
| 12:56.05 | reddi | hi, i have got a problem with lilo - i only can perform the command lilo with -P ignore AND linux needs a lot of time to boot (linux is starting ..... needs about 90 seconds, than linux loads with about 1 minute) |
| 12:56.11 | Fuwex | greycat, can you just tell me yes or no, if sudo infront would work? |
| 12:56.21 | greycat | try it and find out. |
| 12:56.35 | Fuwex | okay.. |
| 12:57.05 | Fuwex | I have a feeling that, when you say, that, it means a no... |
| 12:57.09 | Fuwex | Well well, I'll try it |
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| 12:57.26 | reddi | can someone help me? |
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| 12:57.34 | _the13th | why don't you just sudo the start-script in init.d :-/ |
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| 12:57.58 | Fuwex | ehm |
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| 12:58.06 | _the13th | reddi> does it put out error-messages or simply stalls? |
| 12:58.25 | Fuwex | well, the script pings the MySQL to see if it's up or not, if it is, then it does nothing, if it doesn't, it will attempt to start it up again |
| 12:58.32 | reddi | http://pastebin.com/339845 this is my lilo.conf |
| 12:58.45 | greycat | my is your mysql crashing? fix that! |
| 12:58.49 | greycat | fuck. |
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| 12:58.51 | greycat | s/my/why/ |
| 12:59.03 | Fuwex | because a plugin of this gameserver freezes my server, forcing Debian to shut it down. |
| 12:59.11 | vorsprung | whysql |
| 12:59.19 | greycat | I didn't use /g |
| 12:59.32 | the13th | Fuwex: > why do you want to use something that crashes mysql? |
| 12:59.43 | Fuwex | because people like it, my gameserver is full all the time ;p |
| 12:59.50 | greycat | why not put it on a separate box? |
| 12:59.54 | Fuwex | the plugin's very good, except it freezes the server from time to time |
| 13:00.02 | Fuwex | coz I haven't got any seperate box to use. |
| 13:00.09 | the13th | omg |
| 13:00.34 | the13th | windows is also nice - but it freezes every box every time ;) |
| 13:00.55 | Fuwex | Windows are not good for servers, I think |
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| 13:01.08 | Fuwex | but much better front-end for noobs like me :) |
| 13:01.10 | the13th | but I don't use it - BECAUSE it freezes - and I don't get it why anyone wants to use a buggy software |
| 13:01.23 | Mage\work | windows xp / 2000 / 2003 are quite stable |
| 13:01.25 | the13th | Fuwex: >?? ever tried gnome or kde? |
| 13:01.28 | the13th | :-/ |
| 13:01.28 | ricky_clarkson | the13th: All software is buggy. |
| 13:01.32 | Fuwex | the13th, actually, Windows has NEVER EVER frozen my pc :/ |
| 13:01.46 | Fuwex | the13th, of course, but every little thing with Linux is so much trouble with |
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| 13:02.07 | comp7 | Hi all, somebody knows how to empty a local DNS-cache, so that the machine will query the DNS-server at a new request? |
| 13:02.13 | cahoot | just the first 5 years |
| 13:02.13 | Mage\work | the problem with Windows is that it swap a lot more than Linux |
| 13:02.18 | ricky_clarkson | Windows has kind of got hardware *right*. |
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| 13:02.31 | asg | comp7: the manpage for the local cache should tell you how. |
| 13:02.35 | vorsprung | Fuwex, automatic restart like that is difficult to do right |
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| 13:02.41 | Fuwex | I use Windows because I like to play games, and don't tell me games aren't more supported on Windows. |
| 13:02.48 | vorsprung | Fuwex, it's better to monitor it and do the restarts manually |
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| 13:02.59 | vorsprung | Fuwex, or to restart on a schedule..like once a day |
| 13:03.00 | Fuwex | vorsprung, that's what we don't want to. |
| 13:03.05 | kelv | Mage\work, tell the people at CNN that win2k is stable :0 |
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| 13:03.19 | Fuwex | vorsprung, once a day... I want it to be up within 5 minutes, coz it crashes about once an hour or so |
| 13:03.22 | the13th | kelv: > lol |
| 13:03.24 | Mage\work | what's happened to CNN ? |
| 13:03.28 | vorsprung | Fuwex, you want to to monitor it and do the restarts manually? |
| 13:03.34 | Fuwex | they got a virus |
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| 13:03.34 | sep | Mage\work, dont, they'd chase you with a stick |
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| 13:03.46 | Fuwex | vorsprung, no, I found this script that restarts it auto |
| 13:03.56 | Fuwex | http://bash.cyberciti.biz/monitoring/monitor_mysql.bash.html |
| 13:04.08 | greycat | oh JESUS.... it's not even *his* fucking script... |
| 13:04.11 | the13th | with a stick? I would say with a shotgun or so |
| 13:04.13 | the13th | ;) |
| 13:04.16 | comp7 | asg: thanks |
| 13:04.22 | Fuwex | greycat, err, I've said it 3 times now. |
| 13:04.29 | vorsprung | Fuwex, anyway |
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| 13:05.07 | vorsprung | Fuwex, it would be a better idea to monitor in and restart manually whilst you are fixing the problem |
| 13:05.09 | the13th | hmm - coffee |
| 13:05.19 | the13th | shingouz: > have another cup left? ;) |
| 13:05.25 | Fuwex | greycat, you're here to help people or yell at people? :/ |
| 13:05.29 | foureyes779 | mmmmMMMM...Tyllenol |
| 13:05.33 | shingouz | the13th: yes, an empty one |
| 13:05.38 | Anthro | I am trying to compile Sunbird using the source package available from deb-src http://people.debian.org/~asac/experimental/ ./ (yes, I know it's experimental) and it's having a link failure on "undefined reference to `memcpy@@GLIBC_2.0'"; this leads me to believe that I need some version of glibc available. I'm running testing, and using gcc 4.0. Can anyone give some insight or guidance? |
| 13:05.40 | the13th | damn |
| 13:05.43 | Fuwex | vorsprung, the restart manually doesn't really work, I'm not on the computer every day either |
| 13:05.47 | vorsprung | Fuwex, there is no point in putting in a "restart in case of crash" script. Mysql isn't a suitable program to do that with |
| 13:06.00 | Fuwex | well, I have no other way to do it vorsprung |
| 13:06.13 | vorsprung | Fuwex, er, mysql is stable..it's only going to take you a few hours to fix it |
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| 13:06.20 | Fuwex | I can't do anything about the crashing, so I have to make it restart |
| 13:06.31 | Fuwex | fix what? :P |
| 13:06.35 | Fuwex | I'm not sure if I'm with you here |
| 13:06.43 | Fuwex | prevent it from crashing you mean? |
| 13:06.55 | vorsprung | Fuwex, mysql is a stable program...but on your machine it crashes. Therefore your machine needs fixing |
| 13:06.59 | Fuwex | it's because the plugin of the gameserver freezes the server long enough to force Debian to shutdown MySQL |
| 13:07.03 | the13th | Fuwex: > ever thought about filling a bug-complaint about the plugin-thingie and send it to the developer of the plugin? |
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| 13:07.05 | the13th | ;) |
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| 13:07.09 | schieber | hi people |
| 13:07.13 | opqdonut | hi |
| 13:07.17 | shingouz | Fuwex: let me get this straight. you have a mission critical database and a game server on the same computer? |
| 13:07.27 | SpinX | Debian is not detecing my mouse. how do I get back to my debian config. |
| 13:07.28 | schieber | how can i get X.org for my debian system? apt-get install .... ? |
| 13:07.37 | Fuwex | no, I just got a gameserver and a webserver with webpages for the gameserver on the same computer, shingouz |
| 13:07.47 | shingouz | SpinX: in X? /msg dpkg drxx |
| 13:07.52 | Fuwex | and of course the database. |
| 13:08.10 | sep | Fuwex, yes you can use sudo, but you must configure sudo to allow your user to run that command |
| 13:08.20 | Fuwex | I have done so |
| 13:08.26 | SpinX | theres no /dev/mice, or anything |
| 13:08.32 | vorsprung | the plugin of the gameserver freezes the server long enough to force Debian to shutdown MySQL" |
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| 13:08.35 | nkuttler | schieber: it's in unstable, and you don't want unstable |
| 13:08.36 | shingouz | Fuwex: what is the database doing there then? something the game needs or is it for Real Work (tm) |
| 13:08.53 | Fuwex | shingouz, the gameserver plugin needs it to store things. |
| 13:09.03 | jm_ | schieber: ever heard of google? |
| 13:09.03 | Anthro | SpinX: What kind of mouse, what kernel? |
| 13:09.05 | schieber | ok |
| 13:09.07 | schieber | nkuttler... |
| 13:09.07 | Fuwex | shingouz, it's a role-playing plugin that allows people to get jobs and such, so it needs a database |
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| 13:09.15 | SpinX | default deb kern, regular ps2 mouse. |
| 13:09.16 | schieber | how do i get Xfree86? apt-get install ....? |
| 13:09.30 | nkuttler | schieber: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 13:09.30 | Anthro | SpinX: what does uname -r tell you? |
| 13:09.36 | schieber | tthx |
| 13:09.46 | vorsprung | Fuwex, right so let me get this right. The game has a mysql plugin. For some reason this plugin causes the mysql server to shutdown |
| 13:09.51 | SpinX | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 13:09.56 | shingouz | Fuwex: i have no idea, aboslutely no idea. a job on a fucking game... damn... |
| 13:10.07 | Anthro | SpinX: It will be /dev/psaux, then, not /dev/input/mice |
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| 13:10.18 | shingouz | SpinX: /dev/psaux |
| 13:10.28 | Fuwex | vorsprung, for some reason is really ' the plugin is badly programmed and freezes the PC, freezing it long enough to force Debian to shutdown MySQL', but the plugin is so popular, and fun to play on such a server, I have to keep it. |
| 13:10.32 | vorsprung | Fuwex, is it a real shutdown event that is logged as a shutdown |
| 13:10.43 | Fuwex | Hmm, where can I find those vorsprung? |
| 13:10.52 | Fuwex | I don't know much about Linux/Debian |
| 13:10.52 | vorsprung | Fuwex, i mean is mysql shutdown cleanly |
| 13:11.01 | Fuwex | I doubt it... How can I find out though? |
| 13:11.06 | shingouz | Fuwex: fix the plugin then or bitch to the coder about it |
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| 13:11.12 | SpinX | k its working.. colors a bit messed up |
| 13:11.21 | shingouz | !drxx |
| 13:11.21 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:11.26 | the13th | Fuwex: > then bitch the coder of the plugin and don't try halfbaked workarounds |
| 13:11.29 | vorsprung | /var/log/mysql.log |
| 13:11.40 | vorsprung | Fuwex, there are lots of logs in /var/log |
| 13:11.44 | Fuwex | the13th, yet I stick to the halfbaked workarounds |
| 13:11.57 | Fuwex | vorsprung, okay, I'll see what I can find |
| 13:12.03 | vorsprung | Fuwex, one last thought |
| 13:12.15 | the13th | or maybe try an earlier version or so |
| 13:12.17 | Fuwex | vorsprung, mysql.log is absolutely empty |
| 13:12.22 | shingouz | Fuwex: you should tell the developer in anycase. s/he might actually fix it eventually |
| 13:12.23 | towerofpower | hmm |
| 13:12.27 | the13th | and look if the bug is there too |
| 13:12.30 | Fuwex | shingouz, I will |
| 13:12.31 | sep | Fuwex, also look in daemon.log |
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| 13:12.49 | vorsprung | Fuwex, is it possible that the plugin is just gettting an exclusive lock on the database while it writes, your clients are trying to write and are blocking for such a long time that they time out? |
| 13:13.07 | the13th | also check out the forum/mailing-list/bugtracker for help |
| 13:13.26 | vorsprung | Fuwex, so mysql hasn't crashed...it is just locked |
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| 13:13.46 | larsie | How do i change the language for the machine. ? |
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| 13:14.28 | the13th | dpkg-reconfigure locale |
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| 13:14.37 | Fuwex | vorsprung, I have no idea... The weird thing is that in daemon.log, there seems to be a LOT more shutdowns that start ups? How can that be? |
| 13:14.46 | SpinX | ugh my colors messed up |
| 13:15.10 | vorsprung | Fuwex, it may attempt an unsuccessful shutdown I guess |
| 13:15.14 | towerofpower | what is da difference between woody/sarge/etch/sid ? |
| 13:15.25 | Fuwex | vorsprung, mm |
| 13:15.39 | opqdonut | towerofpower: different versions of debian |
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| 13:15.44 | vorsprung | towerofpower, woody= old version sarge=current version sid=new version |
| 13:15.45 | towerofpower | mkay |
| 13:15.56 | towerofpower | vorsprung |
| 13:15.57 | the13th | towerofpower: > woody: old - sarge: the current stalbe version, sid=unstable |
| 13:16.00 | Fuwex | but hmm, vorsprung, when the server crashes, aswell as the MySQL, I can't even access the server through SSH for a like a minute or so, it seems to freeze the whole server completely |
| 13:16.05 | sep | towerofpower, woody is an older release, sarge is the current release, testing is in testing waiting to be released, and unstable is full of new stuff that's unstable |
| 13:16.06 | rdaE | Hello how do i change the lanuages of the machine? i did dpkg-reconfigure locales but the lang is still eng on the whole machine. |
| 13:16.09 | valdyn_ | towerofpower: above is false, sid = unstable, not 'new' |
| 13:16.14 | vorsprung | Fuwex, go to www.mysql.com, look at the docs for increasing the log level |
| 13:16.16 | towerofpower | i just installed debian today (from ethz.ch), assuming it is sarge then? |
| 13:16.31 | SpinX | ive reconfigured several times. my color still messy. |
| 13:16.39 | vorsprung | Fuwex, then you should be able to log WTF the plugin is actually up to |
| 13:16.42 | the13th | rdaE: > which language do you want? |
| 13:16.43 | Fuwex | vorsprung, re-starting the database is good enough for me, I have no vital data there anyway |
| 13:16.46 | sep | towerofpower, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:16.53 | towerofpower | thank you |
| 13:16.55 | rdaE | the13th: da > Danish |
| 13:16.58 | sep | towerofpower, or look in the sources.list file |
| 13:17.03 | towerofpower | where is it? |
| 13:17.06 | towerofpower | tha file? |
| 13:17.11 | shingouz | SpinX: define "messy" |
| 13:17.15 | sep | towerofpower, /etc/apt/ |
| 13:17.18 | the13th | should be working - when you select the right defual lang |
| 13:17.25 | SpinX | shingouz, 8bit er something. |
| 13:17.33 | Fuwex | vorsprung, I know it might be foolish, but I don't wanna spend so much time on trying to get this work... |
| 13:17.34 | vorsprung | Fuwex, in the meantime, if you reckon it locks up about once an hour put a "/etc/init.d/mysql restart" in the root crontab for every 30 minutes |
| 13:17.40 | the13th | and for kde or other software if you have installed the right il8n package |
| 13:17.49 | shingouz | SpinX: the reconfigure X again |
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| 13:17.56 | towerofpower | yeah,seems to be sarge... |
| 13:18.04 | Fuwex | vorsprung, but that forces me to restart the server every 30 minutes too, because it has to restart to reload the MySQL if the MySQL restarts... |
| 13:18.06 | SpinX | i did, same thing. |
| 13:18.09 | vorsprung | Fuwex, restart from cron every 30 minutes then :) |
| 13:18.27 | Fuwex | vorsprung, can't I just use this script that checks every minutes if it's up or not? |
| 13:18.32 | vorsprung | Fuwex, you mean the gameserver? |
| 13:18.42 | Fuwex | vorsprung, yes, the gameserver |
| 13:18.46 | Fuwex | vorsprung, ehm |
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| 13:18.48 | Fuwex | vorsprung, err |
| 13:18.50 | fantomas | hi. I'm trying to connect to ftp server with username starting with '#' from mc but doesn't like '#'. How to escape it? |
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| 13:18.52 | Fuwex | vorsprung, depends on what question lol |
| 13:18.54 | rdaE | the13th: what to do? |
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| 13:19.12 | greycat | I confused. If his whole server is crashing (he means his computer, right?) how is a stupid watchdog script running *on* the crashed server supposed to help matters? |
| 13:19.21 | Fuwex | vorsprung, the script checks if MySQL is up or not, not the gameserver, and if I would restart the MySQL every 30 minutes, I would have to restart the gameserver too |
| 13:19.28 | the13th | try apt-get install language-environment |
| 13:19.33 | the13th | then start this as root |
| 13:19.33 | shingouz | SpinX: check the X log in /var/log, should give you some hints on why you do not get better color. i guess your monitor does not suport more or that your graphics adapter is running out of memory |
| 13:19.38 | the13th | this is the simplest way |
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| 13:19.43 | wingot | greycat: would it allow him to see the events just before the crash? |
| 13:19.46 | vorsprung | Fuwex, to be honest you *could* do that. Or you could disable the mysql plugin and email the developers. It just doesn't work |
| 13:19.51 | rdaE | the13th: ok |
| 13:19.56 | Fuwex | greycat, I'm confused myself. It starts it up again. The server just freezes for about a minute or so, then it's back to normal. |
| 13:20.13 | gangstahood | lalala |
| 13:20.35 | jaker | fantomas: you can try to put a / behind # hope it works |
| 13:20.44 | sep | Fuwex, the good thing about the cron mysql restart, is that your database dont have the hard crashes, if you had critical data. that would be important, if you dont care about the data, then use your script |
| 13:20.49 | the13th | rdaE: > and which wm do you use? |
| 13:21.04 | rdaE | the13th: no such packget.... apt-get install language-environment |
| 13:21.07 | rdaE | rdaE: xfce4 |
| 13:21.08 | vorsprung | Fuwex, the gameserver is the "business critical" application. You can't have it knocked out for a minute every hour |
| 13:21.10 | Fuwex | sep, finally someone that agrees with me :) |
| 13:21.23 | rdaE | the13th: xfce |
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| 13:21.33 | Fuwex | vorsprung, I have no other choice, on all servers with that plugins, it crashes, it's inevietable |
| 13:21.46 | Fuwex | I can e-mail the developer and ask if he knows a way to fix it though, but I doubt it... |
| 13:21.46 | vorsprung | Fuwex, I say just don't use the mysql plugin |
| 13:21.49 | the13th | uhm - its language-env |
| 13:21.50 | the13th | sorry |
| 13:21.53 | Fuwex | vorsprung, well, I want too :) |
| 13:21.58 | Fuwex | to* |
| 13:21.59 | Anthro | Is anyone else having trouble with the version of stunnel4 in testing? It kept spinning out of control and sucking up all the CPU time for me. I've downgraded to the one in stable now. |
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| 13:22.02 | dentist | configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check <-- can anyone tell me why im getting that when doing a configure on lighttpd |
| 13:22.02 | Fuwex | gah, my english is horrible today |
| 13:22.12 | rdaE | the13th: hmm the packget is already installed. what to do then? |
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| 13:22.16 | valdyn_ | !b-e dentist |
| 13:22.16 | dpkg | dentist: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 13:22.18 | the13th | and I don't know if xfce has locales for danish |
| 13:22.22 | sep | Fuwex, actualy if you care about the data, and about your uptime, you could do something like mysqldump --password=123456789 -A > /backup/mysql/all_bases.sql in crontab to have a sane backup of your data in the base |
| 13:22.27 | zophyx | anyone know why i can't mount an XFS filesystem from fstab at boot time and successfully obtain exec permission with the exec option specified ? |
| 13:22.31 | vorsprung | Fuwex, i just want you to be a good systems administrator and do the right thing :) |
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| 13:22.46 | Fuwex | vorsprung, I know ;) |
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| 13:22.58 | sep | Fuwex, well it's a game so it's hardly critcal you can do whatever you fancy imo |
| 13:23.06 | Fuwex | vorsprung, and I'm a lousy administrator that wants to do a shortcut to fix it, so I don't have to sit the whole day to get it working ;P |
| 13:23.29 | dentist | b-e worked... thanks guys |
| 13:23.32 | rdaE | the13th: hmm the packget is already installed. what to do then? |
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| 13:23.40 | gangstahood | hey |
| 13:23.42 | the13th | use /usr/bin/set-language-env -l da |
| 13:23.55 | vorsprung | Fuwex, lazy is good. critical application downtime is bad |
| 13:24.03 | gangstahood | this is cool, installing x server automatically installs my mouse&soundcard... debian really kickz azz... |
| 13:24.20 | Mage\work | cool. |
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| 13:24.30 | Fuwex | vorsprung, I guess... It's not that critical though, as sep pointed out, it's only a game :) |
| 13:24.41 | fantomas | jaker: no, doesn't work. Opera doesn't like '#' too :( What an idiot created that account! >:( |
| 13:25.01 | jaker | :-( |
| 13:25.39 | fantomas | Anybody knows how to make MC's ftp client to use usernames starting with '#' symbol? |
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| 13:26.15 | sep | Fuwex, most in here run things we worry about a bit :) |
| 13:26.25 | wingot | Anybody know how to set up my wireless NIC? I already have installed kernel-2.6.8, and have downloaded the drivers source from sourceforge |
| 13:26.30 | ralf | fantomas: try konqueror |
| 13:26.36 | fantomas | The full url which fails in MC is: ftp://#roms4share:external@2012.frontnet.org |
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| 13:26.55 | the13th | wingot: > read the INSTALL and README of the downloaded driver? ;) |
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| 13:27.30 | zophyx | ah..., user is the problem |
| 13:27.53 | wingot | the13th: Tried, but when I run make I get an error, just a sec, grabbing the error |
| 13:28.02 | fantomas | Is there a channel dedicated to Midnight Commander? |
| 13:28.25 | Fuwex | if I got a 'screen' called ts, and I want to send it a command, what do I do? 'screen -X ts command', or 'screen ts -X command', or what? :P |
| 13:28.30 | wingot | missing file /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/build/.config |
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| 13:28.39 | greycat | Fuwex: which one worked? |
| 13:28.45 | wingot | the13th: the whole /build folder is missing |
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| 13:29.02 | valdyn_ | wingot: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 13:30.02 | carlos_ | hola |
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| 13:30.06 | carlos_ | hello |
| 13:30.17 | Fuwex | greycat, hmm, well, none of them it seems, I just used those as an example of what I'm trying to accomplish |
| 13:30.17 | carlos_ | i have a terrible problem |
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| 13:30.35 | nkuttler | hm, where is the openssl private key of a server located? i need to update certificates. |
| 13:30.40 | carlos_ | when i do "apt-get install xxx" |
| 13:30.45 | greycat | 18 in #screen |
| 13:30.52 | carlos_ | or "apt-get upgrade" |
| 13:31.02 | nkuttler | carlos_: so... tell us about the error |
| 13:31.11 | carlos_ | i get "segmentation fault" |
| 13:31.17 | Fuwex | greycat, it didn't seem very friendly :/ |
| 13:31.18 | valdyn_ | !tell carlos_ about enter |
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| 13:31.36 | gangstahood | pls help |
| 13:31.38 | nkuttler | carlos_: what did you _do_? |
| 13:31.44 | Fuwex | greycat, and it doesn't seem like a support channel for the 'screen' command either :) |
| 13:31.45 | Thanatermesis | how to translate a file in UTF8 to a ISO codification ? |
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| 13:31.53 | gangstahood | when i type startx, it aborts and tells me that /dev/input/mice doesn't exist although it does.... |
| 13:31.55 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: iconv |
| 13:32.01 | Thanatermesis | thnkx |
| 13:32.16 | carlos_ | gangstahood |
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| 13:32.23 | gangstahood | yer? |
| 13:32.28 | the13th | gangstahood: > which kernel? |
| 13:32.32 | gangstahood | 2.6.8 |
| 13:32.35 | gangstahood | -386 |
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| 13:32.39 | carlos_ | try with |
| 13:32.40 | greycat | "doesn't exist" probably means "No such device." |
| 13:32.41 | the13th | hmmm |
| 13:32.43 | greycat | I hope. |
| 13:32.43 | rdaE | the13th: didnt work console is still in eng |
| 13:32.44 | carlos_ | /dev/psaux |
| 13:32.51 | greycat | !nosuchdevice |
| 13:32.51 | dpkg | "No such device" means you're trying to access a device which exists in /dev but for which the kernel has no driver available. Try 'modconf', or rebuild your kernel. |
| 13:33.01 | carlos_ | in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 13:33.13 | greycat | carlos_: um. BAD assumptions. |
| 13:33.13 | gangstahood | carlos_, i have a usb mouse... |
| 13:33.19 | the13th | rdaE: > you have to use language-env for every user-acc you want to use |
| 13:33.19 | greycat | VERY bad assumptions. |
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| 13:33.25 | carlos_ | yes |
| 13:33.29 | gangstahood | usb module is loaded |
| 13:33.39 | carlos_ | chungo chundo (in spanish) |
| 13:33.48 | valdyn_ | !usb mouse |
| 13:33.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 13:33.50 | rdaE | the13th: i did that, i did use it on root and my single account |
| 13:33.54 | jm_ | usb module? you'll need a bit more than just one module ... |
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| 13:34.17 | the13th | have you logged out of the console after setting up the locale? |
| 13:34.27 | carlos_ | In google i did not find the answer |
| 13:34.35 | carlos_ | to this problem |
| 13:34.41 | carlos_ | segmentation fault |
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| 13:35.15 | carlos_ | i dont know what to do |
| 13:35.45 | the13th | carlos_: > first try to make a apt-get clean (is this right? :-/) |
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| 13:36.01 | the13th | maybe some package half-downloaded cause this problem |
| 13:36.09 | gangstahood | hey |
| 13:36.17 | gangstahood | is there a gnome light package or something like this? |
| 13:36.36 | valdyn_ | carlos_: apt-get segfaulting is likely a serious problem, reinstall *might* be what you'll end up with if your h/w isnt broken. |
| 13:36.38 | gangstahood | apt-get install gnome tells me i need to download 178 mb which is too much for me at the moment.. |
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| 13:36.57 | Gadicath | Quick question with openswan. I've got my ipsec interface up, but I'm not sure the routes are right. The ipsec interface comes up with the same route as the interface it's meant to be tunnelling through. No extra gateway defined or anything |
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| 13:37.07 | carlos_ | sudo apt-get clean do it |
| 13:37.12 | carlos_ | but no solution |
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| 13:38.11 | rdaE | the13th: yes |
| 13:38.31 | gangstahood | obviously i need to install a new kernel that supports hid (the contemporary doesnt) |
| 13:38.42 | gangstahood | how do i get the kernel sources with apt-get? |
| 13:38.57 | valdyn_ | gangstahood: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 13:38.58 | jm_ | find the package name, install it |
| 13:39.07 | gangstahood | thx |
| 13:39.15 | carlos_ | sudo apt-get autoclean |
| 13:39.21 | shingouz | gangstahood: you could always use a debian kernel too, no need for custom kernels |
| 13:39.24 | carlos_ | also "segfault" |
| 13:39.48 | carlos_ | ops |
| 13:39.52 | Thanatermesis | jm_, iconv -f utf8 in-file > out-file yes ? |
| 13:40.08 | the13th | rdaE: > hmm - strange |
| 13:40.11 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: you have to specify target encoding too |
| 13:40.27 | gangstahood | what is it i should consider when building a new kernel? |
| 13:40.30 | Thanatermesis | Im try -t iso-8895-15 but not are accepted jm_ |
| 13:40.53 | shingouz | gangstahood: do you need a custom kernel? do you have some exotic hardware there? |
| 13:40.54 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: "man iconv" will tell you how to list known ones |
| 13:40.59 | gangstahood | shingouz |
| 13:41.00 | valdyn_ | gangstahood: you shouldnt build one if you have to ask this. if you still want, google has howtos on it however. |
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| 13:41.05 | gangstahood | first of all. hid is not installed.... |
| 13:41.18 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: and keep in mind that you can't convert all UTF8 input to 8859-15 |
| 13:41.22 | shingouz | gangstahood: uname -a |
| 13:41.33 | gangstahood | additionally i need to deactivate dri |
| 13:41.42 | greycat | *de*activate? |
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| 13:41.46 | gangstahood | yep |
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| 13:41.56 | greycat | you can't just blacklist whatever module it is? |
| 13:42.01 | gangstahood | its needed to get a radeon9600 rendering in 3d... |
| 13:42.05 | jahi | Hi, do I find xmlgrep in some deb-package? |
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| 13:42.18 | jm_ | jahi: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:42.18 | greycat | jahi: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:42.36 | jahi | :D |
| 13:42.40 | Fuwex | I can't figure out how to do this screen thing :/ |
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| 13:42.56 | RichiH | Fuwex: you mean the program? |
| 13:43.00 | valdyn_ | !drxx gangstahood |
| 13:43.01 | dpkg | gangstahood: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:43.04 | Fuwex | I need to do the -X option to send a command to a session, but it keeps saying no session found |
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| 13:43.11 | Fuwex | RichiH, yes, the screen program... |
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| 13:43.15 | carlos_ | there are a way to restar the treee? |
| 13:43.19 | RichiH | Fuwex: you type screen and hit enter |
| 13:43.20 | greycat | RichiH: apparently he wants to send a "command" (not sure if he means a shell command or a screen command) to an existing screen |
| 13:43.27 | Thanatermesis | jm_, ... no in man page, and not accepted, Im tried various combinations but not works.. |
| 13:43.29 | valdyn_ | carlos_: which tree? |
| 13:43.43 | hansi_xp | my name carlos too |
| 13:43.45 | jahi | so there is no debian-package, containing xmlgrep? or is dpkg still searching? |
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| 13:43.56 | Fuwex | greycat, screen command, sorry |
| 13:43.59 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: that might be because it can't convert things |
| 13:44.07 | carlos_ | where are the info about each pakage? |
| 13:44.19 | RichiH | greycat: reattaching might help ;) |
| 13:44.27 | carlos_ | cache? |
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| 13:44.46 | Fuwex | RichiH, it's supposed to be automated, so I can't reattach to it and type the command... |
| 13:45.46 | RichiH | Fuwex: sure you can. screen -ls && screen -R yourPID |
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| 13:45.54 | Fuwex | ehm |
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| 13:46.06 | greycat | RichiH: I believe he wants to do this from a script. |
| 13:46.12 | RichiH | or screen -x yourPID if you don't want to disturb whatever is sitting in there |
| 13:46.16 | Fuwex | if it's gonna be automated... can I specify it with -S and then the name instead? As the pid is not always the same? or is it? |
| 13:46.16 | RichiH | greycat: oh |
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| 13:46.31 | RichiH | Fuwex: once it's running, the pid will stay the same |
| 13:46.38 | Fuwex | yes, but |
| 13:46.54 | Fuwex | it restarts and such quite frequently, so I'd like to use the -S option or something |
| 13:47.01 | carlos_ | hey! |
| 13:47.05 | carlos_ | i get |
| 13:47.07 | carlos_ | it |
| 13:47.38 | carlos_ | i restore the sources.list |
| 13:47.44 | carlos_ | to the old version |
| 13:47.49 | carlos_ | and do update |
| 13:47.49 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.10 | Asyx | Hi. How can I start X ? startx isn't availiable... |
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| 13:48.20 | greycat | Asyx: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 13:48.21 | valdyn_ | !tell Asyx about setup x |
| 13:48.27 | Asyx | Thank a lot :D |
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| 13:48.37 | Fuwex | greycat, I know, but I just can't figure it out :/ |
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| 13:48.42 | RichiH | Fuwex: if you can be sure there is only one instance of screen running at any time, you can script it |
| 13:48.42 | jethro | !irritate streuner |
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| 13:48.43 | dpkg | streuner: hi every1 who uses gnome kk |
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| 13:48.57 | Fuwex | RichiH, there might be more of them |
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| 13:49.18 | RichiH | Fuwex: then it's getting complicated |
| 13:49.19 | Fuwex | RichiH, but the screen session has got the name of 'ts', can I specify that somewhere? I know of the -S option, but I can |
| 13:49.27 | Fuwex | 'but I can't seem to ... mix it with the -X |
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| 13:50.00 | kps | is it a bad idea to install the xserver-xorg package ? |
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| 13:50.08 | greycat | kps: check the BTS. |
| 13:50.43 | kps | what's bts, pardon my ignorance |
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| 13:51.05 | jethro | !bts |
| 13:51.05 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 13:51.07 | kps | ok i see |
| 13:51.13 | kps | thanks |
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| 13:51.53 | Grost | hi there, anybody knowing, where to get the grub-set-default binary ? |
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| 13:53.00 | greycat | Grost: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:53.05 | RichiH | Grost: grub is always set to default if you go into the shell and do stuff manually there |
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| 13:54.41 | Grost | RichiH what is default, when I set saved as default ? |
| 13:55.13 | gangstahood | how do i load a config file in make menuconfig ? |
| 13:55.14 | RichiH | huh? |
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| 13:55.21 | debian707_ | hi any one knows what the default user when i install phpmyadmin? |
| 13:55.34 | RichiH | gangstahood: you copy the old .config in your sources dir and run make oldconfig |
| 13:55.38 | RichiH | then, you run make menuconfig |
| 13:55.47 | gangstahood | richih |
| 13:55.54 | RichiH | gangstahood |
| 13:55.56 | gangstahood | it doesn't end with .config |
| 13:56.04 | Grost | Richih : http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html |
| 13:56.10 | RichiH | gangstahood: it's named .config |
| 13:56.19 | takatumi | Grost: if the entries have savedefault as well, the last one that successfully booted will be booted on reboot. |
| 13:56.21 | RichiH | if not, rename it to .config and put it in there |
| 13:56.31 | gangstahood | where is it supposed to be located? |
| 13:56.56 | RichiH | gangstahood: how would we know? it's your config |
| 13:57.23 | gangstahood | na |
| 13:57.25 | dimir | gangstahood: run make menuconfig and at the bottom of the appeared window choose "Load alternativ configuration file" |
| 13:57.26 | gangstahood | it's the default config |
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| 13:59.35 | gangstahood | ddo i need isa support when i don't have any isa devices? |
| 13:59.41 | opqdonut | no |
| 13:59.54 | gangstahood | mkay |
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| 14:00.14 | debian707_ | any one knows what the default user when i install phpmyadmin? |
| 14:00.18 | gangstahood | what is a memory technology device? |
| 14:00.39 | Triffid_Hunter | gangstahood: usb memory stick is the most common occurence of the things |
| 14:00.46 | stew | debian707_: it should be documented in /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian |
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| 14:02.31 | gregory | hello |
| 14:02.38 | opqdonut | hi |
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| 14:03.12 | gregory | how to switch build environment between gcc-3.3 and gcc-4.0? |
| 14:03.43 | gregory | I have them both installed |
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| 14:04.17 | drac | gregory: Debian does not have convinient gcc-config script/program so you just have to manually change /usr/bin/gcc, g++, cpp, and other symlinks. |
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| 14:04.47 | drac | gregory: And those gets overwritten on after every upgrade.. yeah, it sucks. |
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| 14:05.03 | stew | drac: can it not be configured with update-alternatives? |
| 14:05.04 | gregory | thnx, then will port one from gentoo :) |
| 14:05.39 | valdyn_ | gregory: update-alternatives --list cc |
| 14:05.44 | drac | stew: no :( |
| 14:05.50 | drac | but it should be like that, imho |
| 14:05.53 | stew | sucky |
| 14:05.54 | dimir | Hey, anyone has tried Sarge on an HP DL380 G4? |
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| 14:06.07 | stew | dimir: on a g3 but not a g4 |
| 14:06.25 | dimir | stew: d-i rc3? |
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| 14:06.39 | harrydg | btw, rm-r: what i was saying, with the bash script... here some more: |
| 14:06.41 | harrydg | http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2005-August/036120.html |
| 14:06.56 | harrydg | (just for fun :)) |
| 14:06.57 | drac | valdyn_: that only lists one, /usr/bin/gcc -symlink. |
| 14:07.05 | valdyn_ | drac: yea, noticed |
| 14:07.11 | stew | dimir: rc3? |
| 14:07.21 | debian707_ | stew is no there |
| 14:07.33 | debian707_ | /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian |
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| 14:08.49 | gregory | update-alternatives --all shows me only vim |
| 14:09.00 | debian707_ | stew i cant access /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian |
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| 14:09.02 | stew | debian707_: it should somewhere in that directory |
| 14:09.04 | dimir | stew: releace candidate 3. Did you use that installer? |
| 14:09.17 | dimir | s/releace/release/ |
| 14:09.26 | debian707_ | stew it dont let me go inside phpmyadmin |
| 14:09.27 | stew | dimir: i was using daily d-i's from late 2004 |
| 14:09.41 | stew | debian707_: did you install it with apt-get? |
| 14:09.49 | debian707_ | stew yes |
| 14:10.27 | debian707_ | stew i did apt-get install phpmyadmin |
| 14:10.35 | stew | debian707_: impossible. every package creates /usr/share/doc/pkgname and it is world readable |
| 14:11.09 | debian707_ | so u dont know what the default user then? |
| 14:11.17 | debian707_ | root ? |
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| 14:11.21 | debian707_ | or admin? |
| 14:11.24 | AdrianLP | How do you guys handle when you read in logs that a person is guessing various accounts/passes on your machine hundreds of times in a short while? Should all such IPs be added to hosts.deny? Is it worth reporting such to their host (and is there a simplified way of doing this short of manually)? |
| 14:11.32 | harrydg | q: is there a reason why hotplug is started in rcS.d at S40 and not sooner? |
| 14:11.41 | harrydg | because... it should be started sooner! |
| 14:12.28 | petemc | AdrianLP: thats an automated worm, you can do some stuff with iptables recent module, or just use keys |
| 14:12.45 | stew | debian707_: i don't know. it would be documented in the doc directory |
| 14:12.49 | dimir | stew: OK, so it was rc2. So how was the installation, did it detect the Raid, Broadcom card, etc.? |
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| 14:12.58 | Karhuton | AdrianLP, It could be useful to setup a login limit of a kind. Too many wrong passwords -> ban username and IP for a short period of time :\ |
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| 14:13.27 | AdrianLP | Karhuton: Would I have to write my own tool to do that, or is there an existing package I can install? |
| 14:13.43 | mathieu_ | i'm getting an error when starting mozilla-thunderbird in debian stable |
| 14:13.49 | Karhuton | AdrianLP, I don't know. Propably you'd have to write your own. Or try google :\ |
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| 14:13.54 | stew | mathieu_: and the error is... |
| 14:13.58 | mathieu_ | (mozilla-thunderbird-bin:4030): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 14:14.07 | AdrianLP | Karhuton: Ok, thank you. |
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| 14:14.12 | Karhuton | Though maybe banning a username isn't too bright idea. They might be trying to login as root ;) |
| 14:14.13 | jethro | mathieu_: what does echo $DISPLAY say? |
| 14:14.23 | zimnyx | any idea where can i set gtk-file-chooser-backend in gconf-edit? (problem is that i try to open a file GIMP freezes) |
| 14:14.31 | mathieu_ | jethro, :0.0 |
| 14:14.32 | jethro | Karhuton: allowing remote root logins is already a bad idea |
| 14:14.42 | mathieu_ | all of my other apps run fine |
| 14:14.55 | jethro | mathieu_: are you trying to run firefox as a different user from the one owning the X session? |
| 14:15.01 | AdrianLP | petemc: Keys, as in public/private? I use that for SSH. Some of my users haven't them setup though. |
| 14:15.12 | stew | dimir: iirc yes. does that have a tg3? some debian kernels have tg3 support ripped out |
| 14:15.14 | mathieu_ | jethro, thunderbird, no i'm not |
| 14:15.15 | petemc | AdrianLP: tell them to do so, and disable password logins |
| 14:16.26 | jethro | mathieu_: then I don't know. if any other app runs just fine, and you're not trying to launch this one as a different user, I don't know. |
| 14:16.29 | stew | dimir: actually i have a custom kernel .deb for a g3 |
| 14:16.48 | stew | dimir: but i don't remember needing it in the install |
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| 14:17.11 | snail | zimnyx: check that you have the correct path for the gimp tmp/swap aths |
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| 14:17.58 | stew | dimir: http://vireo.org/mes/debs/binary/kernel-image-2.4.26-bonding_10.00.Custom_i386.deb |
| 14:17.58 | AdrianLP | petemc: Ok. |
| 14:18.07 | stew | dimir: but i think ours had intel nics, not broadcom |
| 14:18.11 | stew | bier: its been a while |
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| 14:20.40 | xerophyte | root@s1 [/]# umount tmp umount: /tmp: device is busy .. how can i force umount ?? |
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| 14:22.26 | mathieu_ | jethro, another error i'm getting is Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 14:22.39 | mathieu_ | jethro, above the other error |
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| 14:22.49 | mathieu_ | jethro, for firefox |
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| 14:22.56 | dimir | stew: thanks! |
| 14:22.58 | mathieu_ | jethro, sorry thunderbird |
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| 14:27.26 | the13th | hmm - anyone knows a good plugin for gaim that shows a popup on an incoming message? |
| 14:27.28 | cahoot | AdrianLP: if you have a limited set of users - a temp solution might be to put them in AllowUsers (sshd_config) |
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| 14:29.05 | miguel_ | well, i'm still fighting with my scsi hot swap disks, i run rescan-scsi-bus.sh -c, ok, it fount everything |
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| 14:30.06 | TheGnome | what do you guys recommend kde or gnome in debian........i know in some distros one works better |
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| 14:30.29 | miguel_ | rescan-scsi-bus.sh -r scsi1 0 0 0 is the disk that I want, it runs, rescan, and nothing is removed |
| 14:30.32 | boogie | TheGnome: Debian is DE-neutral - they both work great. |
| 14:30.38 | the13th | hmmm - this is more or less a matter auf taste |
| 14:30.42 | AdrianLP | cahoot: Indeed, I have only but a few users. |
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| 14:30.44 | TheGnome | really |
| 14:30.47 | the13th | aehm? |
| 14:30.56 | the13th | s/auf/of |
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| 14:30.57 | TheGnome | cuz i know in ubuntu kde is buggy |
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| 14:31.13 | cahoot | AdrianLP: AllowUsers will exclude all others |
| 14:31.13 | boogie | well that's ubuntu - a lot of things are buggy in ubuntu. |
| 14:31.15 | the13th | slashme is using KDE - no problems here |
| 14:31.18 | miguel_ | well, i just pull the hd off, and rescan, and it still there! |
| 14:32.08 | AdrianLP | cahoot: With AllowUsers will invalid users just get a password error returned, or will it let them know that this user is not allowed? The latter will lead them to find valid users on the system, which maybe is less secure? |
| 14:32.48 | nvz | looking at these idiots across the street its obvious you dont need a contractors lisc in PA. I've seen more idiots doing roofing in this town than a little bit since I've been back |
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| 14:33.16 | boogie | There are a lot of scam roofing operations. |
| 14:33.21 | nvz | they are putting tar paper down before the shingles but tacking it with coil roofing gun |
| 14:33.39 | nvz | we did that too, cept our one coil gun had a cap reel on the back |
| 14:34.33 | nvz | I think all you need around here is insurance and you can do any kind of contracting work |
| 14:34.53 | nvz | except few things like hooking up an electrical meter and hv/ac |
| 14:35.25 | nvz | but in theory you could build and wire the whole house and not ever have to take a test to prove you know what you are doing |
| 14:35.28 | AdrianLP | nvz: In which case all you need is to keep your mouth shut (the contractor does I mean) |
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| 14:35.41 | boogie | the only construction type work I've ever done is painting and insulation. |
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| 14:36.52 | nvz | I've done Framing, Roofing, Vinyl Siding, Seamless Gutter, Electrical, and Concrete/Cement |
| 14:37.01 | boogie | wow |
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| 14:37.15 | cahoot | AdrianLP: it will lock out all that are not mentioned in the list - also a small addition to iptables will reject/drop connections from the worms that 'attack' you |
| 14:37.20 | boogie | you're a pretty handy dude to have around then, I imagine. |
| 14:37.40 | AdrianLP | cahoot: Someone mentioned that. How does iptables recognise a worm? |
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| 14:38.23 | cahoot | AdrianLP: it doesn't - it recognizes a set number on connection attempts in a limited timeframe |
| 14:38.30 | cahoot | of |
| 14:38.31 | AdrianLP | cahoot: I see. |
| 14:39.01 | cahoot | AdrianLP: I don't have the URL handy - can hand it to you later |
| 14:39.18 | AdrianLP | cahoot: Does that add a lot of overhead? Checking each connection attempt against logs? |
| 14:39.45 | cahoot | AdrianLP: doesn't work in that way |
| 14:40.07 | AdrianLP | cahoot: petemc something an "iptables recent module". I'm not sure if that's a module named "recent", or just a new module. Either way I'll look into my kernel config later on. |
| 14:40.18 | cahoot | AdrianLP: ok |
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| 14:41.51 | nvz | my cousin is a lisc contractor in Morgantown, WV he has a box van with a seamless gutter machine in it and a couple dodge ram trucks. Roofing and Gutter is what he does best, but he's really good at vinyl siding too, and is learning framing quickly. I worked with him for about 3 years. He and I built my cousin Tina a house 2 years ago. we had several other people help us put the custom made roof joists up we made and stand the walls, but it was |
| 14:42.02 | AdrianLP | I was in here yesterday trying to figure out why all 250mb of my ram and all my swap space was used up by the limited number of programs I'm running. Today when looking at logs I found: "[fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 198 MBytes." Is that as bad as it sounds to me? 198mb of ram used? |
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| 14:42.33 | boogie | nvz: I was going to say, if you wanted to build a house, all you'd need is a plumber. |
| 14:43.05 | nagual | AdrianLP: it caches the ram. it frees up when another program needs it. |
| 14:43.12 | AdrianLP | boogie: Don't forget a gas guy, unless where you are is not as regulated as here. |
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| 14:43.31 | Faithful | There is no 2 ways about it... netbooting installer is the way to go |
| 14:43.31 | nvz | boogie: my uncle in texas can do plumbing and a lot of other stuff.. but he's too much of a perfectionist. he'll build something smoke 10 cigs then tare it back down and do it again |
| 14:43.35 | boogie | AdrianLP: I'm probably forgetting a few things. |
| 14:43.36 | AdrianLP | nagual: Ok, so that's not my 250mb system memory - 198 for everything else then? |
| 14:43.43 | boogie | hehe nvz |
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| 14:43.53 | hassan | hi |
| 14:44.01 | nagual | AdrianLP: if you think about it, its a good thing |
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| 14:44.14 | AdrianLP | nagual: Caching you mean, or losing 198mb of my 250? |
| 14:44.19 | splattnik | where can i change so that loadkeys loads a map default? |
| 14:44.27 | nagual | you are loosing it, since its used |
| 14:45.15 | nvz | his son is a damn good artist and he's really good at finishing drywall too, but hes even slower than his dad. he muds drywall like its a work of art scrapes, smokes and goonulates, sands, smokes and goonulates |
| 14:45.18 | AdrianLP | nagual: How is losing 198mb not a concern? That's 79% of all my ram. But you said it was released if needed, so I'm not really losing it right? |
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| 14:45.32 | nagual | AdrianLP: care to explain to me where are you are 'loosing' it? |
| 14:45.54 | boogie | nvz: I've worked with guys like that before. It takes them a while, but it's usually well worth it. |
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| 14:46.15 | nvz | yeah hes really good. he just cant make any money cause he takes too long |
| 14:46.22 | boogie | right |
| 14:46.24 | AdrianLP | nagual: You said I was, "you are loosing it, since its used". My 2D rending is really bad, compared to other OS I use, and I don't do 3D at all. I'm not sure why the vid card would use so much. |
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| 14:46.57 | nvz | when I did the stuff we had a crew of about 4-6 people at any time and often worked two jobs at the same time.. while we were building that house 2 years ago the rest of the crew was else where making money |
| 14:46.57 | nagual | AdrianLP: if you have free ram left, its probably not the ramcaching |
| 14:47.20 | Pannkaka | Im running debian sarge, 2.6.12-5. How do I debug my soundcard? Im running mpg123 and playing an mp3, but no sound in my speakers. Using ALSA.. |
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| 14:47.44 | boogie | that doesn't sound like sarge to me. |
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| 14:48.02 | Pannkaka | well I installed sarge and then upgraded the kernel.. |
| 14:48.10 | AdrianLP | nagual: Right now atop says I have 18mb free. But I'm only running my desktop, one browser window, xchat, gaim, gvim and a rxvt. That doesn't sound like much to me. |
| 14:48.11 | the13th | Pannkaka: > first, do a lsmod - and look if the alsa-modules are loaded |
| 14:48.25 | nvz | Pannkaka: why did you pull a kernel from another branch? |
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| 14:48.40 | nagual | AdrianLP: like i said, it caches the ram, if you dont understand what that means, i suggest you google and find out. |
| 14:48.42 | wuwu | hi all, i do have a problem with removing qmail and installing exim on my debian system. apt-get remove qmail does not work (because of unknown problems) - so i can't install exim (need it as smarthost) - is there a way to tell my system that qmail is already removed ? |
| 14:48.52 | Pannkaka | I wanted the latest.. which should I have taken? |
| 14:49.07 | archpollux | wuwu: show error message |
| 14:49.10 | the13th | Pannkaka: > did you NEED the new kernel? |
| 14:49.10 | nvz | Pannkaka: you did it just because you wanted it.. no practical reason? |
| 14:49.15 | Pannkaka | yeah I have lots of snd modules loaded |
| 14:49.42 | jeremywhiting | actually that's a good idea Pannkaka, there are a lot of security updates in latest kernel releases |
| 14:49.52 | Pannkaka | I wanted the 2.6 kernel and not the 2.4 that came with the installation. It has better support for my raid card |
| 14:50.04 | AdrianLP | nagual: The explanation I have is that Linux will cache ram even after an app closes. And I'm told it releases ram as necessary. This however makes it very hard for me to tell if my system needs more ram (if its using all the ram that is not-free), or if its just caching a lot. |
| 14:50.06 | nvz | jeremywhiting: stay out of it untill you know what you are talking about :P |
| 14:50.12 | the13th | theres a 2.6.8 for sarge? |
| 14:50.18 | nvz | jeremywhiting: debian always security patches its kernels |
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| 14:50.22 | boogie | there sure is, the13th. |
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| 14:50.33 | wuwu | archpollux, Entferne qmail ... |
| 14:50.33 | wuwu | dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von qmail (--remove): |
| 14:50.33 | wuwu | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.33 | wuwu | Updating /etc/tcp.smtp database for tcpserver |
| 14:50.33 | wuwu | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/qmail: file does not exist |
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| 14:50.38 | the13th | boogie: > i know ;) |
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| 14:50.46 | boogie | oh hehe |
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| 14:50.53 | archpollux | AdrianLP: if you're system uses a lot of swap, that's a very good indication that you need more RAM |
| 14:50.54 | antgel | !de |
| 14:50.54 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 14:50.58 | jeremywhiting | but does it security patch it's kernel-sources packages too? |
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| 14:51.11 | antgel | jeremywhiting: i reckon |
| 14:51.13 | wuwu | archpollux, Unterprozess pre-removal script gab den Fehlerwert 255 zu |
| 14:51.25 | nagual | AdrianLP: i know ;) |
| 14:51.37 | Pannkaka | Isnt it possible to listen to any /dev device and see that the sound output is functioning? |
| 14:51.37 | shingouz | wuwu: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/qmail: file does not exist <-- i think that is the problem |
| 14:51.47 | nagual | AdrianLP: a good trick is to find out how much free/used swap you have |
| 14:51.48 | AdrianLP | archpollux: Which is fine. Right now atop says my swap has 2.5mb free of 94.2mb. But really it should be that low, my current CPu load is under 5%, and I'm running practically nothing. |
| 14:52.02 | nvz | Pannkaka: there was a 2.6 kernel in sarge |
| 14:52.09 | nvz | Pannkaka: you may not even be using sarge anymore |
| 14:52.11 | AdrianLP | nagual: atop reports SWAP as 2.5mb free of 94.2mb total. |
| 14:52.12 | shingouz | jeremywhiting: the sources are what are patched, the kernels are compiled from the source |
| 14:52.28 | nagual | AdrianLP: ouch. |
| 14:52.35 | nagual | AdrianLP: have you not rebooted in a long while? |
| 14:52.42 | AdrianLP | nagual: I rebooted yesterday. |
| 14:53.04 | nvz | in fact... |
| 14:53.08 | Pannkaka | nvz ok but I dont think thats really my problem.. everything else is working just fine |
| 14:53.13 | nvz | !+info kernel-image-2.6.12-5 |
| 14:53.15 | dpkg | Package 'kernel-image-2.6.12-5' does not exist. |
| 14:53.26 | nvz | that kernel doesnt even exist in debian at all |
| 14:53.36 | Pannkaka | its the latest from kernel.org |
| 14:53.43 | jeremywhiting | just cause it's not in debian doesn't mean people can't use it with debian |
| 14:53.49 | nvz | so you built it yourself? |
| 14:53.53 | Pannkaka | yes |
| 14:54.00 | nvz | it means #debian doesnt have to support it |
| 14:54.02 | AdrianLP | nagual: In fact not only rebooted yesterday, but `swapoff -a` was run a short while in order to problem solve. |
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| 14:54.06 | nvz | sure you can use it |
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| 14:54.17 | Pannkaka | sorry for asking.. its not like I demand an answer |
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| 14:54.27 | nvz | Pannkaka: well thats alright I guess its safer to build your own than to pull one from another distro |
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| 14:54.49 | Pannkaka | yeah I agree on that |
| 14:54.52 | nvz | Pannkaka: you may have a kernel config issue then though is what I am trying to get to the bottom of |
| 14:54.56 | jeremywhiting | it's ok, do you have alsamixer or anything like aplay to test the sourd card with |
| 14:55.06 | nvz | Pannkaka: did you use kernel-package? |
| 14:55.19 | archpollux | AdrianLP: 94.2MB is not much swap... how much RAM do you have? |
| 14:55.27 | Pannkaka | I have alsamixer yes, Ill see if I have aplay |
| 14:55.33 | Pannkaka | yes i used kernel-package |
| 14:55.37 | nvz | Pannkaka: have you run alsa-config yet? |
| 14:55.42 | Pannkaka | yes |
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| 14:55.45 | AdrianLP | archpollux: 250mb ram. |
| 14:55.50 | jeremywhiting | does alsamixer work, or have errors about no device, etc |
| 14:55.54 | Pannkaka | it detected my soundcard ok |
| 14:55.55 | AdrianLP | archpollux: DDR, not that it matters. |
| 14:56.07 | Pannkaka | no everything looks ok |
| 14:56.13 | archpollux | AdrianLP: well then you do need more RAM and more swap |
| 14:56.19 | nvz | Pannkaka: are you sure your mixer is up and not muted? |
| 14:56.38 | Pannkaka | jeremywhiting: aplay 'mp3-file'? |
| 14:56.43 | archpollux | AdrianLP: although it depends on what you're running |
| 14:56.46 | AdrianLP | archpollux: Really? I run winXP with the same amount of RAM, same processor, and it seems to run just fine. |
| 14:56.51 | cahoot | AdrianLP: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 - re iptables recent etc |
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| 14:57.05 | archpollux | AdrianLP: that's quite surprising... did you just install it? |
| 14:57.07 | jeremywhiting | I think aplay may only work for wav files, but not sure |
| 14:57.08 | D13GU__ | hi all! how to install a mysql-server on debian? |
| 14:57.08 | Pannkaka | I have unmuted all devices with alsamixer and put the volume on 50% |
| 14:57.14 | nvz | Pannkaka: also could we get more details perhaps with paster or something your lsmod output and the type of card you have (lspci) |
| 14:57.17 | AdrianLP | cahoot: Fantastic, thank you. |
| 14:57.19 | Pannkaka | D13GU__:apt-get install mysql-server |
| 14:57.19 | archpollux | D13GU__: apt-get install mysql-server |
| 14:57.26 | D13GU__ | and after? |
| 14:57.27 | jeremywhiting | also make sure in alsamixer nothing is muted or turned way down |
| 14:57.28 | AdrianLP | archpollux: Did I install WinXP? Yes. Ditto for this Debian machine. |
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| 14:57.39 | nvz | I've seen cases where both alsa and oss subsystems are loaded and it doesnt work |
| 14:57.43 | archpollux | AdrianLP: keyword was "just" |
| 14:57.46 | antgel | D13GU__: at least have a go before asking |
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| 14:57.59 | archpollux | D13GU__: follow the instructions |
| 14:58.12 | D13GU__ | mysql_install_db? |
| 14:58.24 | AdrianLP | archpollux: Oh, sorry. No, XP and this machine have both been installed for a couple of years, at least one year anyway. |
| 14:58.29 | antgel | D13GU__: ^^ |
| 14:58.36 | cahoot | Pannkaka: dd if=/dev/urandom bs=8000 count=1 | aplay -D DEVNAME |
| 14:58.46 | jeremywhiting | D13GU__ how about mysqladmin |
| 14:58.49 | AdrianLP | archpollux: Debian was likely installed on this machine 10 years ago. Xp a year or two ago. |
| 14:59.01 | jeremywhiting | to add users, etc |
| 14:59.03 | nvz | !releases |
| 14:59.03 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-08-28), Potato(2.2; 2001-04-17[?]), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 14:59.07 | archpollux | AdrianLP: i see |
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| 14:59.23 | AdrianLP | archpollux: A long time ago for Debian anyway. Think I was still in highschool and living at home. |
| 14:59.23 | Thanatermesis | what are ^C in ascii ? |
| 14:59.26 | nvz | AdrianLP: looks to be like debian has only been around about 9-10 years |
| 14:59.29 | archpollux | AdrianLP: well if u don't do much with it, 256 is fine, but for me, it would be too little |
| 14:59.42 | AdrianLP | archpollux: Define much? |
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| 14:59.46 | Pannkaka | cahoot: what should I put instead of DEVNAME? |
| 14:59.59 | cahoot | Pannkaka: hw:0 |
| 14:59.59 | antgel | AdrianLP: your swap should be at least as large as your ram, as a rule of thumb |
| 15:00.08 | archpollux | AdrianLP: like playing 3D games |
| 15:00.18 | archpollux | AdrianLP: for example |
| 15:00.26 | jeremywhiting | Thanatermesis? you want the ascii code of ctrl c? |
| 15:00.32 | Thanatermesis | yes |
| 15:00.42 | jeremywhiting | don't think that's in any ascii I've heard of |
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| 15:00.44 | AdrianLP | archpollux: Oh, no, I don't game on Linux at all. I game on my XP machine though. |
| 15:00.54 | jeremywhiting | or the keycode for it |
| 15:00.54 | antgel | Thanatermesis: wtf are you trying to do? |
| 15:01.03 | Pannkaka | http://rafb.net/paste/results/C7BM0l50.txt |
| 15:01.08 | AdrianLP | antgel: Someone once told me >60mb swap would be pointless. You think I should up it to 250 as to match my RAM? |
| 15:01.09 | nvz | I installed debian in 2001. after trying shitty distributions like RH 5.2, Corel, Mandrake 7.2 & 8.1. I almost became a slack user I had slack, debian, and freebsd burned to try next and out of the 3 I liked debian best |
| 15:01.17 | archpollux | AdrianLP: is there a particular reason why you're wondering if you need more RAM? cuz usually i can easily tell if I do |
| 15:01.22 | antgel | AdrianLP: they were a tosser and yes i do. |
| 15:01.25 | D13GU__ | archpollux: Error 1045. Access danied for user: 'root@localhosh' (Using password NO) |
| 15:01.41 | archpollux | AdrianLP: >60mb is not pointless |
| 15:01.42 | amphi | Thanatermesis: ascii 3 I think |
| 15:01.42 | AdrianLP | antgel: Tosser? |
| 15:01.56 | jethro | antgel: your rule of thumb is kind of outdated nowadays |
| 15:01.57 | antgel | !tell D13GU__ about rtfm |
| 15:01.57 | jeremywhiting | D13GU__ did you run mysqladmin? |
| 15:02.07 | antgel | jethro: not for me, it's not :) |
| 15:02.14 | D13GU__ | jeremywhiting no |
| 15:02.23 | antgel | !tell AdrianLP about tosser |
| 15:02.27 | AdrianLP | archpollux: Well my 2D rendering has been really bad. Not always, but sometimes I'll click from one virtual desktop to another, and it'll take 4-5 seconds for it to refresh. When I run open office, it often takes 8+ seconds to open. |
| 15:02.29 | jeremywhiting | have to ron that before you can log in |
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| 15:02.40 | Thanatermesis | antgel, exactly... Im making a bot for send code messages in the channel with "syntax colors", but the colors sent by the bot not works, I need to understand how are sent the colors, normally are " % C num " but with the bot, shows a "text-plain" |
| 15:02.44 | AdrianLP | archpollux: Firefox often takes some time to open also. |
| 15:02.45 | jeremywhiting | *rn |
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| 15:02.48 | jeremywhiting | *run |
| 15:02.52 | Pannkaka | jeremywhiting, nvz, cahoot: http://rafb.net/paste/results/C7BM0l50.txt |
| 15:02.55 | jethro | antgel: would you really dedicate a few gigs of your hdd for the swap if you had 2GB of ram? I would not. |
| 15:02.55 | archpollux | AdrianLP: what's your CPU? |
| 15:03.01 | jeremywhiting | man I'm having problems this morning |
| 15:03.10 | D13GU__ | jeremywhiting in mysqladmin have any options... |
| 15:03.12 | the13th | Thanatermesis: > to use colors you need to send an esc-sequence |
| 15:03.18 | AdrianLP | archpollux: AMD 1800+ 1.56 (1.56 from memory, its no smaller then that) GHz |
| 15:03.24 | boogie | yeah, if you have a lot of ram, your need for swap diminishes. |
| 15:03.29 | nvz | antgel: the rule I learned was 2x or 3x ram.. but now its been changed. its: Desired ammount of memory to be available to applications - Available ram = Swap space |
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| 15:03.39 | the13th | because etc. is just to make it simple for users to use colors in their client |
| 15:03.42 | archpollux | AdrianLP: are you running a stock kernel? |
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| 15:03.59 | antgel | !tosser |
| 15:03.59 | dpkg | hmm... tosser is similar to wanker |
| 15:04.08 | jeremywhiting | D13GU__ yes |
| 15:04.08 | cahoot | Pannkaka: aplay -D hw:0 |
| 15:04.14 | jeremywhiting | man mysqladmin |
| 15:04.25 | nvz | antgel: if I have 256mb ram and need at least 1gb for apps, I should have 768mb or more of swap. but if I need 1gb and have 2gb of ram I dont need swap now do I? |
| 15:04.27 | jeremywhiting | or go read any mysql installation tutorial |
| 15:04.33 | cahoot | Pannkaka: sa ju så för en stund sen |
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| 15:05.00 | Pannkaka | ok missade, sag nu. |
| 15:05.02 | antgel | of course, but 2G of ram is not an average and rule of thumb is just that, not a hard and fast guideline, and not to be applied to unusual situations |
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| 15:05.08 | dabruzk | hi |
| 15:05.16 | D13GU__ | jeremywhiting; mysqladmin -h localhost -u rooot -p "key" ? |
| 15:05.21 | stew | nvz: however having some swap anyway could allow the os to swap out idling apps and use their ram for disk cache instead |
| 15:05.34 | AdrianLP | archpollux: I'm running 2.4.26.7 which I grabbed from kernel.org, and set the processor type to Athlon/Duron/K7 |
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| 15:05.37 | jethro | !start a swap space troll |
| 15:05.42 | archpollux | AdrianLP: hmm |
| 15:05.44 | boogie | hehe |
| 15:05.46 | Thanatermesis | esc-sequence ? thanks |
| 15:05.47 | dabruzk | i made a new kernel, that's now in da directory /usr/src and its filename is kernel-image-blabla.deb how can i get grub to use the enw kernel? |
| 15:05.54 | jeremywhiting | D13GU__ that's the one |
| 15:05.58 | antgel | dabruzk: dpkg -i |
| 15:06.02 | nvz | stew: yeah I wouldnt do without. I am just saying that you dont need 4gb of swap with 4gb ram like antgel says |
| 15:06.03 | jethro | dabruzk: dpkg -i the .deb, and grub should be updated |
| 15:06.05 | jeremywhiting | key being the new password I believe |
| 15:06.07 | archpollux | AdrianLP: then i still think 256 is too little |
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| 15:06.16 | AdrianLP | archpollux: I had to check menuconfig to get the name of that category, "Processor family" cause I could not remember it. |
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| 15:06.23 | jeremywhiting | or more probably the old password |
| 15:06.24 | stew | nvz: agreed. (i hadn't been paying attention) |
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| 15:06.27 | antgel | nvz: where did i say that? i didn't say anything of the sort |
| 15:06.27 | archpollux | AdrianLP: yes. yes |
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| 15:06.35 | nvz | stew: nor would you want 16mb of swap with 16mb ram |
| 15:06.37 | AdrianLP | archpollux: REally? I game in XP with 256, and its quite nice. And 2D rendering in XP, with the same vid card, is excellent. |
| 15:06.45 | szzs | hi, i compiled a new kernel. i edited the grub menu.lst file tu suit it. teoreticaly it must be the same as the old one except the image file must be changed. well the system boots up until i get to the line Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(3,1) . and it hangs there. the thing is that i dont understand why does it look at block 3,1 , i strictly specified in menu.lst that (hd0,0) is the root partition. what |
| 15:06.45 | szzs | should i do? |
| 15:06.46 | archpollux | dabruzk: dpkg -i that deb |
| 15:06.49 | jethro | antgel: you said ram size == swap size is a rule of thumb. yes it used to be true in the early 90's |
| 15:06.56 | archpollux | dabruzk: and if u still have to, run update-grub |
| 15:06.57 | antgel | !rule of thumb |
| 15:07.00 | cahoot | Pannkaka: looks like you for some reason enabled the dummy device in alsa - not good - why? check /proc/asound/pcm see what device number your real sound card has |
| 15:07.04 | nvz | antgel: your rule of thumb calls for Ram =< Swap |
| 15:07.13 | Pannkaka | cahoot: ok thanks |
| 15:07.17 | dabruzk | help! my usb mouse ain't workin! |
| 15:07.18 | archpollux | AdrianLP: then u might not have your video drivers installed |
| 15:07.24 | antgel | nvz: more like ram=swap |
| 15:07.25 | D13GU__ | jeremywhiting; mysqladmin -h localhost -u rooot -p "key" ... unknow command "key" |
| 15:07.27 | jeremywhiting | dabruzk if it's just a deb file, grub wont recognize it |
| 15:07.34 | Pannkaka | 00-00: VIA 8235 : VIA 8235 : playback 4 : capture 1 |
| 15:07.35 | nvz | antgel: even worse. |
| 15:07.36 | Pannkaka | 00-01: VIA 8235 : VIA 8235 : playback 1 : capture 1 |
| 15:07.40 | jeremywhiting | there's probably a matching kernel image in /boot |
| 15:07.41 | dabruzk | it won't? |
| 15:07.49 | antgel | having 16MB or 2GB of ram is hardly an average scenario, so i don't know why anyone would apply a rule of thumb. |
| 15:07.54 | dabruzk | there's one actually |
| 15:08.09 | Pannkaka | cahoot: where does it say that the dummy device is enabled? |
| 15:08.09 | jeremywhiting | D13GU__ so de mysqladmin -h localhost -u root |
| 15:08.12 | antgel | they are _extreme_ scenarios and i can't continue this topic :P |
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| 15:08.22 | dabruzk | it's called vmlinuz-2.6.blabla |
| 15:08.28 | nvz | antgel: I wouldnt make or go by any rule of thumb that wouldnt apply ouside a certain circumstance |
| 15:08.42 | dabruzk | i just don't know if thats the new or the old kernell |
| 15:08.50 | nvz | antgel: then its a rule of a certain circumstance not a rule of thumb |
| 15:08.53 | defcon8 | dabruzk, find out its date? |
| 15:08.57 | cahoot | Pannkaka: ok looks like you use hw:0 then - snd-sep-dummy popped up in lsmod - but never mind that |
| 15:08.57 | jeremywhiting | ok, so use that filename in your grob config file |
| 15:09.07 | defcon8 | jeremywhiting, isnt it grub? |
| 15:09.15 | jeremywhiting | yeah |
| 15:09.24 | AdrianLP | archpollux: Hrm, perhaps. I installed ATIs ith their installer. I'm using "1152x864" resolution, that would be odd if the drivers didn't install, would it not? Also, as mentioned, Firefox and Open Office open very slowly. Sometimes taking more than 8 seconds. In fact, OO sometimes takes 20+ (I'd say fairly often). |
| 15:09.25 | jeremywhiting | I'm having typing problems today |
| 15:09.36 | jethro | antgel: so what's the average memory size nowadays, since you seem to hold the trueth. I'm interested in knowing and changing my opinion for a more accurate one, that would fit with your rule of thumb |
| 15:09.41 | nvz | the rule of thumb thing comes from a time long ago when all peoples thumbs were thought to have been roughly the same size and anyone could measure using this unit |
| 15:09.46 | nvz | in any circumstance |
| 15:09.52 | libertine | use QT4 or use gtkmm,it's a questions |
| 15:09.58 | jeremywhiting | dabruzk ls -l /boot to find the date |
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| 15:10.09 | nvz | your rule of thumb can only be used in a certain circumstance with your thumb |
| 15:10.22 | archpollux | AdrianLP: then try to load OOo while running top at the same time and check memory and swap to see how they behave |
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| 15:11.02 | rmrfchik | after upgrading to 2.6.12 I've lost dvd-rw device... modprobe pg fails |
| 15:11.15 | AdrianLP | archpollux: Trying that yesterday I saw that OO would take about 20% system CPU, how do I see its swap usage? Just watch how much swap usage in top when OO opens? |
| 15:11.35 | archpollux | AdrianLP: and that resolution might not be odd if you're using vesa |
| 15:11.42 | szzs | hi, i compiled a new kernel. i edited the grub menu.lst file tu suit it. teoreticaly it must be the same as the old one except the image file must be changed. well the system boots up until i get to the line Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(3,1) . and it hangs there. the thing is that i dont understand why does it look at block 3,1 , i strictly specified in menu.lst that (hd0,0) is the root partition. what |
| 15:11.42 | szzs | should i do? |
| 15:11.59 | archpollux | AdrianLP: totals and per-process usage are both listed in top |
| 15:12.07 | Pannkaka | do you have support for the ide controller in your kernel? |
| 15:12.23 | Pannkaka | and support for the filesystem on your drive |
| 15:12.33 | archpollux | szzs: one is kernel numbering, the other if grub notation.. totally different |
| 15:12.36 | jeremywhiting | mrfchik: did you build the new one yourself? or use a kernel-image? |
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| 15:12.39 | nvz | szzs: what I am wondering is why you are compiling kernels like its 1992 and there arent any mainstream distributions around yet |
| 15:12.59 | nvz | szzs: in debian the steps you mention should never have been made. they are automated by the package system |
| 15:13.12 | archpollux | nvz: there's nothing wrong with compiling your own kernel |
| 15:13.23 | antgel | archpollux: there is if it doesn't work :) |
| 15:13.24 | szzs | nvz: i tried that also, the same problem, make-kpkg kernel_image bla bla |
| 15:13.32 | nvz | archpollux: yeah but you dont have to move any images, edit grub or any of that. kernel-package does all that |
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| 15:13.40 | shingouz | !tell szzs about kp |
| 15:13.44 | archpollux | antgel: compiling with make-kpkg may also "not work" |
| 15:13.45 | jethro | hey shingouz |
| 15:13.49 | shingouz | hi jethro |
| 15:13.56 | shingouz | whats up? |
| 15:13.59 | jeremywhiting | rmrfchik? |
| 15:14.03 | dabruzk | need some troubleshooting |
| 15:14.06 | AdrianLP | archpollux: When OO opens its running 5 process, each using 21.4% memory. According to top. |
| 15:14.06 | nvz | szzs: the problem lies in the understanding of the situation |
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| 15:14.11 | dabruzk | my usb mouse doesn't do its job |
| 15:14.15 | archpollux | antgel: if you're compiling the wrong drivers and providing the wrong bootparams |
| 15:14.32 | jethro | shingouz: not that much, been very busy with work lately ;) |
| 15:14.33 | shingouz | dabruzk: it does not eat cheese? |
| 15:14.36 | nvz | szzs: did you compile statically your root filesystem and the controller driver it resides on? |
| 15:14.41 | dabruzk | nope |
| 15:14.43 | shingouz | jethro: isnt that good then? |
| 15:14.43 | AdrianLP | archpollux: Sorry, when OO is running it has 5 process, each using 21.4% memory. |
| 15:14.44 | archpollux | AdrianLP: what are the free mem and free swap entries? |
| 15:14.47 | dabruzk | i tried and tried to feed it |
| 15:14.54 | dabruzk | but it just wants to starve |
| 15:14.57 | dabruzk | its driving me nuts |
| 15:14.58 | jethro | shingouz: too much is never good :) |
| 15:15.00 | antgel | AdrianLP: i'm not a kernel guru but would assume that these processes are _sharing_ the 21.4% |
| 15:15.06 | shingouz | dabruzk: try another type of cheese then. what is the real problem with it though? |
| 15:15.13 | rmrfchik | jeremywhiting: k3b can't find devices. |
| 15:15.13 | szzs | shingouz: thanks, but thats what followed during the kernel installation... |
| 15:15.19 | AdrianLP | archpollux: Memory free is 7032K, swap free is 1204K |
| 15:15.22 | dabruzk | shingouz |
| 15:15.32 | dabruzk | usb module is loaded |
| 15:15.36 | archpollux | antgel: depends if they are LWP or not |
| 15:15.37 | dabruzk | but the mouse just doesn't work at all |
| 15:15.39 | rmrfchik | jeremywhiting: # modprobe pg |
| 15:15.39 | rmrfchik | FATAL: Error inserting pg (/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/kernel/drivers/block/paride/pg.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 15:15.40 | jeremywhiting | yeah, did you build the new kernel yourself, or use a kernel-image? |
| 15:15.47 | szzs | nvz: yes |
| 15:15.48 | rmrfchik | pg: pg version 1.02, major 97 |
| 15:15.49 | rmrfchik | pga: Autoprobe failed |
| 15:15.49 | rmrfchik | pg: No ATAPI device detected |
| 15:15.52 | shingouz | dabruzk: and is the mouse problem in the cli or gui? |
| 15:15.55 | antgel | archpollux: lwp? |
| 15:15.58 | jethro | !tell rmrfchik -about paste |
| 15:16.06 | rmrfchik | jeremywhiting: linux-image actually |
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| 15:16.10 | archpollux | antgel: Light-Weight Processes |
| 15:16.16 | archpollux | antgel: linux threads |
| 15:16.17 | rmrfchik | jeremywhiting: with my own 2.6.12 all works fine |
| 15:16.20 | dabruzk | doesn't work neither with gpm nor X |
| 15:16.31 | archpollux | AdrianLP: that's not a lot |
| 15:16.34 | dabruzk | gpm doesnt bother me though... |
| 15:16.35 | shingouz | dabruzk: uname -a |
| 15:16.40 | jeremywhiting | then why switch to kernel-image if yours works fine? |
| 15:16.55 | AdrianLP | archpollux: So open OO reduced the free memory by virtually nothing, and free swap dropped by about 2mb |
| 15:17.01 | archpollux | dabruzk: dude |
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| 15:17.03 | dabruzk | shingouz... this delivers me kernel version... |
| 15:17.06 | antgel | !tell dabruzk about mouse |
| 15:17.06 | dabruzk | yerh? |
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| 15:17.17 | mrgenixus | hello, I'm having problems with gnome-volume-manager |
| 15:17.20 | archpollux | dabruzk: put your mouse in, cat /dev/input/mice and see if there's any output |
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| 15:17.26 | dabruzk | no |
| 15:17.30 | dabruzk | theres no output at all |
| 15:17.38 | shingouz | dabruzk: i want to know your kernel version |
| 15:17.40 | dabruzk | thats why i know that it isnt working and that its not a problem with X |
| 15:17.47 | archpollux | tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 15:17.48 | dabruzk | 2.6.8 |
| 15:17.48 | mrgenixus | when I run it in terminal, it errors with "Cannot execute pmount" has anyone had this problem, can help me fix it |
| 15:17.49 | szzs | nvz: statically, the kernel recongnizes my harddrives, i cant mount the fs on unknown block (3,1) . but answer me one question. in grub my old kernel entry must be the same as the new, doesnt it? it should differ only in the image name, shouldnt it? so why doesnt the system boot up with the new kernel? |
| 15:17.53 | rmrfchik | jeremywhiting: because I think, my own kernel was temporaly solving of my probles. I want to use distributive kernel. |
| 15:17.57 | archpollux | dabruzk: tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 15:17.57 | shingouz | dabruzk: you *may* have a dead mouse too you know |
| 15:18.11 | archpollux | dabruzk: plug out and plug in your mouse... any output? |
| 15:18.17 | dabruzk | shingouz, it lives, it worked 10 minutes ago on windows... |
| 15:18.20 | dabruzk | archpollux nothing at all |
| 15:18.28 | archpollux | dabruzk: do u have usb support? |
| 15:18.34 | shingouz | dabruzk: did you just go up to 2.6 from a 2.4? |
| 15:18.36 | snail | mrgenixus: does it need to be run as root? have you googled this error message? |
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| 15:18.55 | jeremywhiting | that makes no sense to me, if yours works why chuck it? there's no inherent advantage to a distribution kernel |
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| 15:19.01 | dabruzk | hmmm |
| 15:19.11 | dabruzk | do you know what really strange is? |
| 15:19.20 | shingouz | no, i hope you tell us |
| 15:19.20 | dabruzk | i plug it out, plug it in, nothing happens |
| 15:19.21 | TheGnome | anyone have any cool screenies |
| 15:19.22 | mrgenixus | snail: well, it seems to work as root, but I need it to run as my user, it works fine on my other machine |
| 15:19.25 | dabruzk | do that once more |
| 15:19.39 | dabruzk | system gives me some output about usb & logitec mouse... |
| 15:19.39 | shingouz | dabruzk: do you have hotplug or usbmgr installed? |
| 15:19.47 | mrgenixus | dabruzk: and then shake it all about |
| 15:19.47 | dabruzk | both of them |
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| 15:20.01 | mrgenixus | dabruzk: do the hokey-pokey and turn yourself arounf |
| 15:20.03 | shingouz | dabruzk: both? i think they conflict |
| 15:20.03 | dabruzk | seems my problem is solved... |
| 15:20.14 | mrgenixus | dabruzk: that's what it's all about |
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| 15:20.35 | archpollux | dabruzk: use only hotplug |
| 15:20.42 | shingouz | or usbmgr |
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| 15:20.46 | shingouz | not both... |
| 15:20.54 | dabruzk | hmmm |
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| 15:21.00 | dabruzk | hotplug doesnt seem to be loaded |
| 15:21.02 | dabruzk | according to lsmod |
| 15:21.07 | asuffield | or neither |
| 15:21.08 | dabruzk | anyway |
| 15:21.11 | dabruzk | its workin now |
| 15:21.11 | shingouz | dabruzk: it is not a module |
| 15:21.18 | dabruzk | dont ask me why it didnt work 5 minutes ago... |
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| 15:21.29 | antgel | usbmge and hotplug conflict according to apt |
| 15:21.31 | dabruzk | thank you anyway :) |
| 15:21.37 | shingouz | asuffield: how do you handle the hotplug events then? manually? |
| 15:21.40 | defcon8 | http://exploration.vanderbilt.edu/news/news_rubberneck.htm |
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| 15:21.56 | asuffield | shingouz: why bother? |
| 15:22.17 | antgel | dabruzk: are you sure you have both installed? if you do and haven't done anything dodgy, please file a bug |
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| 15:23.28 | dabruzk | strange |
| 15:23.35 | dabruzk | startx brings me the message "no screens found" |
| 15:23.49 | gmoore | has anyone installed ruby with apache2 by any chance? i am having no luck getting it working and noone from their respective channels seems to know |
| 15:23.50 | jeremywhiting | defcon8, that explains why I never see the opponent coming in halo 2 |
| 15:24.02 | jeremywhiting | he blinds me with his gun |
| 15:24.17 | defcon8 | lol jeremywhiting |
| 15:24.33 | defcon8 | wish i had an xbox sometimes. i have a ps2 atm |
| 15:24.44 | dabruzk | hmmm |
| 15:24.47 | shingouz | asuffield: well.. pcmcia and usb are useful from time to time |
| 15:24.49 | dabruzk | can anyone help me pls? |
| 15:24.54 | jeremywhiting | I was joking all I have is a vintage atari |
| 15:25.07 | jeremywhiting | what's wrong now dabruzk? |
| 15:25.07 | shingouz | dabruzk: check the log on the xserver |
| 15:25.22 | jeremywhiting | oh |
| 15:25.38 | asuffield | shingouz: both of those can work on their own without hotplug, if you know what hardware you own |
| 15:25.39 | jeremywhiting | guess I need to read back 5 lines before I ask |
| 15:25.49 | shingouz | asuffield: true |
| 15:25.53 | dabruzk | the logfile says only... |
| 15:25.56 | dabruzk | no screens found |
| 15:26.05 | jeremywhiting | pastebin the log |
| 15:26.12 | shingouz | dabruzk: look for EE in the log |
| 15:26.19 | dabruzk | it says |
| 15:26.27 | dabruzk | (EE) no core pointer device selected |
| 15:26.29 | dabruzk | ae |
| 15:26.30 | dabruzk | specified |
| 15:26.39 | shingouz | dabruzk: there you go. configure it |
| 15:26.48 | dabruzk | what is a core pointer device? |
| 15:26.53 | antgel | dabruzk: a mouse |
| 15:26.56 | shingouz | dabruzk: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 15:26.56 | boogie | ! |
| 15:27.16 | dabruzk | i just configured the mouse |
| 15:27.26 | shingouz | dabruzk: for X? |
| 15:27.30 | antgel | dabruzk: then there's no problem. what shingouz said. |
| 15:27.36 | dabruzk | yep |
| 15:27.42 | shingouz | dabruzk: reconfigure |
| 15:27.44 | dabruzk | xf86cfg -textmode |
| 15:27.58 | antgel | dabruzk: that's not a debian tool |
| 15:27.59 | antgel | !drxx |
| 15:28.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:28.03 | shingouz | dabruzk: why can't you use the correct way? |
| 15:28.12 | shingouz | !xmd5 |
| 15:28.12 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 15:28.30 | shingouz | dabruzk: what dpkg said |
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| 15:30.04 | dabruzk | thank you |
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| 15:32.22 | rmrfchik | jeremywhiting: haha, udev now did "root floppy 3, 0 Aug 18 19:11 /dev/hda" for cdrom.. i just has no permissions. |
| 15:32.23 | nvz | I forgot to share the news clip I read this morning. Probably the only thing remotly interesting in the whole paper. The New Jersey Attorney General is investigating an incident where a man and his girlfriend went to eat and the bill said "Jew Couple" the wait staff used as an Identifier.. and it even showed up on his credit card bill.. |
| 15:32.41 | boogie | oh man you're kidding. |
| 15:32.53 | boogie | I'd be suing. |
| 15:33.10 | nvz | thats like going to denny's and having the waitress ask you "So what will you niggers have this morning?" |
| 15:33.14 | jeremywhiting | hah, I see |
| 15:33.15 | boogie | exactly |
| 15:33.20 | dabruzk | na |
| 15:33.25 | dabruzk | i ran the conf tool |
| 15:33.31 | dabruzk | still the same errors... |
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| 15:35.07 | nvz | yeah I thought that was pretty funny that some waiter/waitress had the audacity to do such a= thing |
| 15:35.17 | TheStick | howdy |
| 15:35.20 | nvz | I dont imagine (s)he has a job anymore |
| 15:35.26 | dabruzk | still have fatal error: no screens found |
| 15:35.29 | dabruzk | this sux |
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| 15:35.53 | factor | on upgrading to the 2.6 kernel I get a module problem. function not found QM_MODULES or something to that manner . what am I missing? |
| 15:35.59 | boogie | that's totally unnecessary to even label customers like that, since every table has a designation like North 12, or Center 5 - at least that's how it is in every restaurant I've worked in. |
| 15:36.04 | shingouz | dabruzk: recheck the log and see what the problem is this time, reconfigure as needed |
| 15:36.04 | deepan | what should i put in for myserver name for mambo installaion.. it recommends localhost .. where as i am hosting it in www.user.kaski-net.net/~deepan/ |
| 15:36.07 | antgel | dabruzk: that's a different error. you're getting there. make sure you have configured the right video driver |
| 15:36.09 | nvz | factor: module-init-tools would be my guess |
| 15:36.12 | dabruzk | shingouz |
| 15:36.13 | factor | cool |
| 15:36.16 | dabruzk | exactly the same bullshit |
| 15:36.19 | factor | thanks nvz |
| 15:36.24 | nvz | factor: did you do a kernel the debian way or hand roll it without the debian tools? |
| 15:36.30 | TheStick | factor: nothing important, that module just got removed from the newer kernel, that's all |
| 15:36.37 | Guerin | !noscreensfound |
| 15:36.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 15:36.54 | shingouz | dabruzk: what do you make X use as mousdev? |
| 15:37.08 | nvz | this is why you should always use kernel-package, now everyone point and laugh at factor to set an example |
| 15:37.08 | dabruzk | /dev/input/mice |
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| 15:37.30 | shingouz | dabruzk: and the mouse really is there? cat the device to see if it works |
| 15:37.33 | dabruzk | cat /dev/input/mice brings me weird shit on the screen... so it seems to be working.... |
| 15:37.45 | shingouz | hmm |
| 15:37.45 | jeremywhiting | nvz, you are a butthead |
| 15:37.49 | antgel | shingouz: wake up. he's moved onto no screens found! :) |
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| 15:38.05 | Guerin | boogie: heh. I worked at a restaurant once where the floor manager wrote every customer in as 'Barnes' |
| 15:38.07 | MasterChief | Hi everyone, I have a problem. I want to know how to uninstall proftpd, I compiled it from source and I am on Debian Linux, thank you. |
| 15:38.13 | shingouz | antgel: yes and has no core pointer selected which usually means a misconfig |
| 15:38.14 | jeremywhiting | open source is about having lots of ways to do things |
| 15:38.15 | factor | I hate using kernel package it always screws up my stuff. |
| 15:38.22 | antgel | MasterChief: you're on your own, but try make clean |
| 15:38.24 | factor | but you are corect that was not installed. |
| 15:38.28 | antgel | MasterChief: you're on your own, but try make uninstall |
| 15:38.32 | antgel | sorry all :) |
| 15:38.36 | nvz | jeremywhiting: yeah well debian has a tool called kernel-package. its for compiling kernels, for non kernel or debian developers. if you arent a developer and dont care to know about all the changes in debian and the kernel you shouldnt compile without it |
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| 15:38.38 | jeremywhiting | not just the wrong way and the "debian way" |
| 15:38.39 | boogie | hehe Guerin...keeping them straight was fun I bet. |
| 15:38.42 | MasterChief | OH, thanks |
| 15:38.43 | Guerin | boogie: or some variation, like 'Barnses with tartan' or 'Le Barnsès' |
| 15:38.49 | Guerin | boogie: it WAS fun |
| 15:38.50 | boogie | oh hehe |
| 15:38.55 | antgel | jeremywhiting: yes but this is #debian |
| 15:39.13 | nvz | jeremywhiting: in his case he didnt know 2.6 changed its module loader.. if he had use kernel-package when he installed his new kernel it would have installed module-init-tools reguardless if he knew or not |
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| 15:39.27 | jeremywhiting | but you don't have to harp on people who use the other ways of doing things |
| 15:39.46 | nvz | jeremywhiting: there is no reason free help like I should have to tell people 100 things because they fail to make use of the tools we set to take care of these things for them |
| 15:39.47 | antgel | jeremywhiting: we do when if they had done it the debian way they wouldn't be having a problem |
| 15:39.47 | jeremywhiting | maybe he didn't know about debian's nice utilities for building kernels |
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| 15:40.08 | jeremywhiting | ok |
| 15:40.13 | jeremywhiting | you've got me there |
| 15:40.16 | shingouz | jeremywhiting: most of the time we do because the people who do it the non-debian way really *should* be using the debian tools and methods |
| 15:40.16 | antgel | shingouz: i think the no core pointer error he has is gone |
| 15:40.21 | factor | ok now I wil try it out |
| 15:40.24 | Ungy | damn my programs menu disapeared |
| 15:40.25 | factor | thanks brb |
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| 15:40.29 | codebreaker | hello. need some help to setup slapd with replication via slurpd. ive replica host=changer2:389 but if i run slurpd -d 65535 i get Config: (replica host=changer2:389) Error: Malformed "replica" line in slapd config file, line 66 Warning: failed to add replica "changer2:389 - ignoring replica |
| 15:40.35 | shingouz | antgel: that is a good point |
| 15:40.35 | dabruzk | antgel |
| 15:40.36 | dabruzk | nope |
| 15:40.40 | dabruzk | its still there |
| 15:40.48 | antgel | shingouz: no it's not :) |
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| 15:41.20 | antgel | dabruzk: what distro and can you pastebin your x config file somewhere? |
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| 15:41.46 | antgel | codebreaker: might have more luck in #ldap |
| 15:41.47 | dabruzk | i can't copy&paste.... |
| 15:41.50 | dabruzk | console mode... |
| 15:41.51 | SimonRaven | codebreaker: maybe you should take the error msessage's advice and look at that line.... |
| 15:41.55 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 15:41.56 | shingouz | dabruzk: the EE linos out of the log would help too. |
| 15:41.57 | dabruzk | i have debian 3.1 |
| 15:42.03 | codebreaker | antgel: nobody answers |
| 15:42.09 | dabruzk | shingouz, the EE lines are exactly the same as before |
| 15:42.14 | SimonRaven | codebreaker: i just did ;p |
| 15:42.18 | dabruzk | (EE) no core pointer device (something like that) |
| 15:42.24 | antgel | codebreaker: how long did you wait? |
| 15:42.32 | shingouz | dabruzk: in that case the core pointer (=mouse) is still not configured correctly |
| 15:42.35 | codebreaker | antgel: i was ther a ew hours |
| 15:42.37 | mrgenixus | dabruzk: what mouse device are you using? /dev/input/mice? |
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| 15:42.46 | dabruzk | yep |
| 15:42.48 | dabruzk | aha |
| 15:42.48 | SimonRaven | codebreaker: considering you didn't ask your question, i'm not surprised no one answered there |
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| 15:42.52 | dabruzk | now theres something different |
| 15:42.54 | antgel | dabruzk: did you read _all_ the advice about configuring x once you've fucked it withthe other tool? |
| 15:42.55 | Ungy | damn my programs menu disapeared anyone know the name of the program that controls volume in kde? so I can run it? |
| 15:43.11 | dabruzk | (EE) unable to open config file XF86config.new |
| 15:43.12 | codebreaker | SimonRaven: i asked |
| 15:43.14 | cahoot | kmix? |
| 15:43.16 | shingouz | !xmd5 dabruzk |
| 15:43.25 | shingouz | !xmd5 |
| 15:43.25 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 15:43.32 | shingouz | dabruzk: ^^^ |
| 15:43.33 | nvz | Ungy: put the menu back ffs :P |
| 15:43.46 | Ungy | nvs dunno where ti went? |
| 15:43.54 | nvz | Ungy: right click on the kicker panel |
| 15:43.58 | Ungy | nvs I upgraded and it disapeared |
| 15:44.03 | nvz | Ungy: you can add/remove componants at will |
| 15:44.12 | nvz | Ungy: maybe its a bug then |
| 15:44.14 | SimonRaven | codebreaker: regardless, my answer is take the error msg advice and look at your conf file |
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| 15:44.32 | nvz | Ungy: BTS, #kde, #debian-kde |
| 15:44.34 | SimonRaven | codebreaker: go see the examples in the admin guide, or elsewhere via google |
| 15:44.39 | antgel | codebreaker: look at the man page for the conf file |
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| 15:45.17 | nvz | I am bored out of my mind |
| 15:45.20 | SimonRaven | man page one is kinda unclear until you know what everything means, and clearly. |
| 15:45.21 | elephantman | Why can't i ping local domain names (like xxx.fire) but i can ping foreign ones ? |
| 15:45.25 | nvz | and sitting on the floor |
| 15:45.26 | dabruzk | !xmd5 |
| 15:45.26 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 15:45.37 | codebreaker | SimonRaven: i tried all option wich were told at http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin22/replication.html and http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin22/slapdconfig.html i tried uri=ldap://hostname:port wit and without "" and so on |
| 15:45.40 | elephantman | I know you answered me yesterday its about bind and hosts |
| 15:45.41 | antgel | elephantman: because your /etc/resolv.conf is misconfigured |
| 15:45.55 | elephantman | I have a dns server running |
| 15:45.57 | cahoot | elephantman: your local hosts not in /etc/hosts? |
| 15:45.58 | elephantman | on my localhost |
| 15:46.05 | cahoot | disregard |
| 15:46.17 | elephantman | cahoot: no they are in /etc/bind/db/db.private |
| 15:46.20 | SimonRaven | codebreaker: /msg dpkg paster and show me your replica stuff without the sensitive bits |
| 15:46.22 | nvz | I need to go find a shitty dead end job to waste my time |
| 15:46.30 | Secretus | I know this is a dumb question, but how do I uninstall applications i installed via apt-get ? |
| 15:46.39 | nvz | or go teach these idiots across the street how to roof. I got my tool belt right here |
| 15:46.39 | boogie | me too, I need to get a job. |
| 15:46.40 | antgel | elephantman: grep search /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:46.43 | shingouz | Secretus: apt-get remove |
| 15:46.47 | antgel | you can come and work for us |
| 15:46.54 | Secretus | thank you shingouz |
| 15:46.54 | antgel | but we have no money to pay you |
| 15:46.57 | elephantman | antgel: my resolv.conf is now : search nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 15:46.58 | boogie | hehe |
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| 15:47.08 | shingouz | Secretus: man apt-get helps also, check it out |
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| 15:47.24 | nvz | I could roof better than that goof troop hand-bangin |
| 15:47.26 | antgel | elephantman: man resolv.conf |
| 15:47.45 | Secretus | Oh so that's the manual, I've tried apt-get man , and ofcourse it didn't work |
| 15:47.52 | antgel | Secretus: man man |
| 15:48.12 | nvz | though my Fat-Max is kind jammed right now |
| 15:48.35 | nvz | got some kind of feces in it or something |
| 15:48.36 | elephantman | antgel: ok |
| 15:48.41 | elephantman | antgel: thanx |
| 15:48.44 | elephantman | cahoot: thanx |
| 15:49.08 | elephantman | The concept is that you don't need /etc/hosts if you use your local dns ? |
| 15:49.25 | antgel | elephantman: usual to have /etc/hosts as well |
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| 15:49.45 | antgel | elephantman: the concept is that you need to configure resolv.conf properly |
| 15:49.58 | nvz | I think its time for a new one. this isnt even that old but its in shitty condition. Need a new Stanley FatMax 30' |
| 15:50.04 | elephantman | antgel: ok :) |
| 15:50.04 | codebreaker | SimonRaven: http://paste.debian.net/1596 |
| 15:50.18 | cahoot | antgel: doesn't debians resolvconf do this? |
| 15:50.27 | nvz | I dont like the craftsman ones, but yuo can just get a new one when they break |
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| 15:50.34 | Ungy | anyone know the name of the program in a k menu found under multimedia/volume control? |
| 15:50.36 | dabruzk | yeah |
| 15:50.37 | dabruzk | it works now |
| 15:50.46 | cahoot | kmix? Ungy |
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| 15:50.53 | dabruzk | how can i start a shell on enlightenment ? |
| 15:50.57 | xstasi | hi people :) |
| 15:51.10 | Ungy | cahoot not it but it works thanks ;-) |
| 15:51.22 | antgel | dabruzk: what a surprise, just make sure to read what helpful people say and not make them say it three times |
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| 15:51.45 | antgel | cahoot: no idea |
| 15:51.47 | shingouz | antgel: sarcasm? ;) |
| 15:51.47 | xstasi | i'm looking for info about debian/openbsd |
| 15:51.48 | cahoot | antgel: since one is adviced not to edit resolv.conf |
| 15:51.58 | dabruzk | antgel take it easy... |
| 15:52.05 | xstasi | i googled a bit but i only found some ml posts |
| 15:52.10 | SimonRaven | codebreaker: suggestion, use SSL and 636 if at all possible |
| 15:52.11 | nvz | I dont like shopping at lowes for tools much either. they went from bad to worse recently. the only thing I buy there is $10 Aviation Snips for cutting vinyl siding, aluminum soffit, facia, coil stock..etc and tyvec house wrap |
| 15:52.16 | xstasi | most of them point to pandera.debian.org, which i am unable to resolve |
| 15:52.17 | dabruzk | if you're so helpful, so please tell me, how can i start a shell in enlightenment ? |
| 15:52.18 | xstasi | anyone has a clue? |
| 15:52.22 | antgel | dabruzk: easy for you to say, you just lapped up the profuse help! :) |
| 15:52.33 | codebreaker | SimonRaven: i will try. moment |
| 15:52.35 | boogie | they're putting in a new lowe's just right down the street from me. |
| 15:52.36 | antgel | dabruzk: no as don't like your attitude |
| 15:52.47 | dabruzk | anyone else please help me? |
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| 15:52.55 | antgel | dabruzk: i don't know how anyway lol |
| 15:53.18 | shingouz | dabruzk: try to find some terminal there. and i have never seen enlightenmen so i am not sure what to click |
| 15:53.20 | SimonRaven | codebreaker: note you'll have to restart slapd whenever your IP addie changes (you could script that with /etc/network/*.up .../*.down |
| 15:53.37 | SimonRaven | codebreaker: wait |
| 15:53.39 | boogie | I would wonder why a person would use elightenment if he/she didn't know how to get around in it. |
| 15:54.03 | antgel | xstasi: all the google results are pretty old. perhaps it never got anywhere? i don't _know_ this, though. |
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| 15:54.11 | codebreaker | SimonRaven: the ip is inside my homenetwork(192.168.) so it wont change |
| 15:54.19 | JoshH | boogie: if everyone used a window manager with no learning curve then everyone would use kde |
| 15:54.25 | boogie | hehe |
| 15:54.38 | antgel | cahoot: where is one advised not to edit resolv.conf? never knew that |
| 15:54.42 | xstasi | antgel, it could be possible |
| 15:54.44 | SimonRaven | codebreaker: also, your replica conf should start after your database and suffix lines |
| 15:54.47 | xstasi | but i've seen someone did some work |
| 15:54.55 | SimonRaven | codebreaker: ok |
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| 15:55.08 | cahoot | antgel: xcuse the caps: DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
| 15:55.10 | xstasi | i'm thinking about creating an openbsd based debian |
| 15:55.18 | jair | hello guys |
| 15:55.20 | antgel | cahoot: mine doesn't have that lol |
| 15:55.23 | JoshH | antgel: do you use dhcp? |
| 15:55.25 | codebreaker | SimonRaven: so the best place is at the end of the .conf? |
| 15:55.29 | antgel | JoshH: yep |
| 15:55.29 | jair | how is everybody today? |
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| 15:55.33 | xstasi | but since i've seen someone doing this |
| 15:55.36 | shingouz | cahoot: you on dhcp? |
| 15:55.40 | cahoot | yes |
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| 15:55.47 | JoshH | antgel: depending on your dhcp client you can tell it not to overwrite your changes |
| 15:55.49 | xstasi | maybe i could have my job a little reduced |
| 15:55.50 | SimonRaven | you're also missing a suffix line in your replica stanza |
| 15:55.50 | xstasi | :) |
| 15:55.53 | nvz | jair: better than last night :P |
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| 15:55.55 | JoshH | or you can make resolv.conf unmuteable :P |
| 15:56.06 | JoshH | err immutable |
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| 15:56.24 | cahoot | unmuteable was better |
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| 15:56.29 | takatumi | antgel: man 5 dhclient.conf, look at prepend. |
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| 15:56.51 | nvz | and thats only because I induced an involentary protien spill last night |
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| 15:57.01 | sess | Im sorry to ask again, but I've had no luck passing an arguement to a daemon when trying to start it up using an init.d script modified from /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 15:57.06 | boogie | hehe nvz |
| 15:57.12 | nvz | getting yourself to hurl is easy.. making it stop is the hard part |
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| 15:57.16 | cahoot | nvz: yes you shared that one with us already |
| 15:57.19 | factor | ahh good that worked fine modles now loaded . |
| 15:57.23 | SimonRaven | oh yummay |
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| 15:57.26 | sess | can anyone briefly ttell me how to pass the -detach flag to an executable inside S99crossfire |
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| 15:57.52 | nvz | I cant seem to stop the spasms once it starts its exausting and you cant really breathe while its happening either |
| 15:57.58 | Ungy | shit when I upgraded today I got a kdelibs-data version 3.4.2-1 instead of the expected 3.3.2-7 file ;-( |
| 15:57.59 | sess | everything I've tried results in an "invalid executable" error when the script tries to start |
| 15:58.11 | sess | sorry, its not S99crossfire, its /etc/init.d/crossfire |
| 15:58.27 | boogie | there are things you can do about nausea, though - unless it was alcohol-induced. |
| 15:58.32 | shingouz | nvz: are you sure we need to know that? |
| 15:58.36 | antgel | sess: can i suggest putting -x at the top i.e. #!/bin/sh -x |
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| 15:58.44 | nvz | well I am pretty sure it was that pizza I ate last night |
| 15:58.51 | boogie | eww yuck |
| 15:58.54 | nvz | shingouz: need to? na |
| 15:58.56 | sess | antgel: didnt' even know about that |
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| 15:59.05 | boogie | was it Pizza Hut? |
| 15:59.08 | shingouz | nvz: yea, just a gross out contest? :p |
| 15:59.09 | antgel | sess: every shell scripter should :) |
| 15:59.18 | nvz | boogie: nope Pizza House |
| 15:59.25 | boogie | oh |
| 15:59.27 | Ungy | how do I downgrade that library? |
| 15:59.28 | boogie | nm then |
| 15:59.34 | nvz | boogie: damn good stuff. I just think it sat around too long or maybe I had something on my hands |
| 15:59.41 | antgel | Ungy: is it in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 15:59.41 | boogie | I refuse to eat at pizza hut anymore. |
| 15:59.43 | sparr_ | I want to avoid all the hassle, and apparent impossibility, of getting software mixing working with ALSA. Other than a SBLive what inexpensive sound cards will have "just works" hardware mixing? |
| 15:59.43 | nvz | I didnt wash my hands first so who knows |
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| 15:59.52 | antgel | pizza hut != pizza |
| 15:59.58 | Ungy | antgel dunno I will check |
| 16:00.08 | Buc | i have a script that i would like to run every hour i know the best way to do this is with cron right? what user should i create the cronjob with? |
| 16:00.11 | SimonRaven | nvz: well, unless you don't mind choking to death, sure go ahead and try to breathe while puking... |
| 16:00.13 | Buc | would it have to be root? |
| 16:00.15 | boogie | nvz: yeah, you never know how long they let the meat ingredients stay out at room temperature in those places. |
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| 16:00.18 | nvz | I think pizzahut pizza comes to them already made, and they like through it in a deepfryer with hot grease |
| 16:00.27 | boogie | hehe |
| 16:00.30 | cahoot | Buc: look at /etc/cron.hourly |
| 16:00.32 | boogie | they suck |
| 16:00.35 | JoshH | nvz: actually i used to work at a pizzahut, its not like that at all :) |
| 16:00.38 | antgel | Buc: no, whatever user you want. probably not root. |
| 16:00.41 | SimonRaven | pizza hut == death |
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| 16:00.51 | xstasi | pizza hut? |
| 16:00.53 | boogie | I got sick of half-cooked crusts. |
| 16:00.57 | Ungy | antgel es it is |
| 16:01.01 | asuffield | pizza hut *of death* |
| 16:01.07 | antgel | Ungy: so install it from there |
| 16:01.09 | Ungy | antgel yes it is in that folder |
| 16:01.10 | JoshH | the dough comes premade and is kept at the right temperature until the pizza is made |
| 16:01.14 | Ungy | ok |
| 16:01.14 | Buc | antgel why not root? he is the only user that has access to the dir with the script and other goodies in it |
| 16:01.15 | nvz | SimonRaven: well like I said I cant stop once I start so last night even after spilling 2qt of liquid pizza I was still heaving with noting left to spill |
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| 16:01.25 | JoshH | if the crust isn't cooked all the way through, it means they tossed it too far into the oven |
| 16:01.36 | TheGnome | so.......is there a way to auto mount a usb thumb drive |
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| 16:01.37 | antgel | Buc: well should root have that access? what does your script do? |
| 16:01.59 | antgel | JoshH == pizza geek :P |
| 16:02.06 | JoshH | lol |
| 16:02.07 | boogie | oh, you mean like it didn't get the full length of the oven as it's conveyed through, JoshH? |
| 16:02.09 | JoshH | hey, it was a fun high school job |
| 16:02.14 | antgel | !tell TheGnome about autofs |
| 16:02.15 | JoshH | boogie: exactly |
| 16:02.16 | sess | antgel: I still get the same errors, it appears Im clearly just not putting the -detach in the correct place |
| 16:02.30 | SimonRaven | nvz: sounds like e coli a bit |
| 16:02.33 | antgel | sess: but now you can see what line it crashes on, no? |
| 16:02.46 | JoshH | if you get a lot of toppings, then its even more important |
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| 16:03.00 | sess | yes, if I put it in the NAME definition, it claims it cant chdir to -detach |
| 16:03.09 | SimonRaven | JoshH: oh sure. you want it cooked just right |
| 16:03.14 | Buc | antgel it gets data from db and sends that info to gnuplot that generates a nice chart for me then it sends it to a printer |
| 16:03.18 | Ungy | antgel ok I am goign to logout and see if it worked thanks for the help |
| 16:03.22 | sess | if I put it in the start function by --exec $daemon -detach it makes a similar claim |
| 16:03.31 | antgel | sess: and rightly so. why would you want to chdir to -detach? :) |
| 16:03.36 | sess | I don't |
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| 16:03.48 | Buc | antgel would it be wiser to add a regular user to the group that owns the dir the script and gnuplot files belong in? |
| 16:03.52 | TheGnome | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.55 | antgel | Buc: why does any of that need to be done by root? sheesh |
| 16:03.58 | nvz | SimonRaven: *shrug* |
| 16:04.03 | SimonRaven | sess: order matters. like don't put certain things after others, and do put things after other things. the man page is ok to show that |
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| 16:04.21 | antgel | !tell TheGnome about udev |
| 16:04.30 | SimonRaven | nvz: well you're ok now right? |
| 16:04.33 | antgel | TheGnome: don't thank me, thank dpkg :) |
| 16:05.15 | nvz | SimonRaven: yeah the flies are having at that pizza.. its still in the yard. I was still sick most of last night but without the bloated feeling |
| 16:05.16 | xstasi | !tell xstasi about udev |
| 16:05.52 | Buc | antgel you are right it doesn't. let me look at the permissions on the dir and get back with you |
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| 16:07.31 | Angel-SL | hi |
| 16:07.36 | Angel-SL | how do you set the domain name |
| 16:07.39 | phyrster | when using startx -- -dpi 75 to start a xsession, the bigger the number the larger the fonts? |
| 16:07.44 | phyrster | is that so? |
| 16:07.57 | nvz | Angel-SL: /etc/resolv.conf IIRC |
| 16:08.13 | antgel | phyrster: the more dots per inch, so the smaller the fonts (i think) |
| 16:08.42 | stew | Angel-SL: man resolv.conf |
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| 16:09.01 | phyrster | antgel: when I used a session manager to startx instead of running startx manually, the font becomes very small |
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| 16:09.26 | phyrster | to be specific, qingy make the font very small after starting a session |
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| 16:09.34 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 16:09.41 | SimonRaven | nvz: oh the flies are having a feast, eh? =) |
| 16:09.42 | nvz | personally I dont see how dpi has anything to do with size. if you decrease the DPI the size could stay the same.. you'd just have swiss-cheese fonts. however if you decrease the size the dpi automatically increases because there is less ocuppied surface area |
| 16:09.49 | stew | phyrster: if you increase the dpi, the x server will think that it needs to use more pixels for a given size, so yes, bigger number == bigger font |
| 16:09.51 | SimonRaven | nvz: cool you're ok |
| 16:09.54 | nvz | SimonRaven: yeah fauk em.. let them be sick |
| 16:10.18 | nvz | SimonRaven: either that pizza sat on the table too long before I ate it or I had something that you werent suppose to eat on my hands |
| 16:10.21 | cahoot | phyrster: look at /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 16:10.35 | phyrster | stew: are there any limit to the number ? like 100000 ? |
| 16:10.39 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Had a day on the bog? |
| 16:10.41 | SimonRaven | nvz: or was in the pizza in the first place |
| 16:10.53 | antgel | phyrster: dpi should be set according to your monitor |
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| 16:11.20 | antgel | perhaps the pizza was in the bog |
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| 16:11.51 | stew | phyrster: i don't know |
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| 16:12.28 | factor | how do I get the RANDR extentions to work on debian xwindows has anyone used them yet? |
| 16:12.29 | nvz | SimonRaven: this pizza shop has been around for a long long time.. and they only open 6hrs a day same people working all the time. they sold pizza to probably 2,000 people yesturday and I was the only one that got sick.. so |
| 16:12.37 | cahoot | phyrster: it's easily calculated from the physical dimensions of the display and the resolution |
| 16:13.05 | cahoot | phyrster: i e the correct dpi |
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| 16:13.18 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: I dont feel like getting out the urban dictionary to figure out what that means |
| 16:13.26 | ricky_clarkson | !bog |
| 16:13.32 | phyrster | cahoot: how come I run startx manually and make a display manager run startx result in different dpi ? |
| 16:13.38 | cahoot | phyrster: look at /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 16:13.44 | ricky_clarkson | !bog is vulgar slang for 'toilet'; a swamp |
| 16:13.44 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: okay |
| 16:13.48 | bitshifty | hello, could someone point me to good sources on how to configure fetchmail sendmail and mutt? |
| 16:13.50 | SimonRaven | nvz: so yeh, your hands or something, or subsquent to the cooking |
| 16:13.54 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: ^^ |
| 16:14.11 | phyrster | cahoot: yes, it says 100 but how come XDM refuse to use it? |
| 16:14.27 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: na I took a chair out into the yard and stuck a finger in my throat it was over momentarily |
| 16:14.46 | SimonRaven | @bog is <reply> vulgar slang for 'toilet'; a swamp |
| 16:14.46 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: okay |
| 16:14.54 | antgel | phyrster: perhaps the xdm config file doesn't use that file |
| 16:15.05 | cahoot | phyrster: I mistkenly thought xdm used that setting |
| 16:15.12 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I usually find that a bucket is a better container than a chair. |
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| 16:15.19 | bitshifty | !fetchmail |
| 16:15.19 | dpkg | fetchmail is, like, ESR's pet POP/IMAP client. It fetches mail from the server then hands it over to the local mda. or a tool that can use ESMTP ETRN extension or most frequently broken by not having a working MTA on the local machine. or most frequently fixed by reading the fetchmail manpage. |
| 16:15.23 | nvz | I was sitting on the chair |
| 16:15.27 | nvz | I puked in the sand outside |
| 16:15.29 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Far out. |
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| 16:15.46 | ricky_clarkson | You have sand outside? Is your house on a beach? |
| 16:15.58 | bitshifty | !sendmail |
| 16:15.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, sendmail is ask me to start an mta war. |
| 16:16.06 | phyrster | cahoot: is it possible that when I startx as a user (not root), it uses that value, but when I use a display manager, it won't? |
| 16:16.09 | bitshifty | what is an MTA? |
| 16:16.13 | antgel | !mta |
| 16:16.13 | ricky_clarkson | !mta |
| 16:16.13 | dpkg | mta is, like, a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 16:16.17 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: used to be a pool there.. you have to put sand under the pool so that it doesnt poke holes |
| 16:16.41 | bitshifty | !mda |
| 16:16.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mda is mail delivery agent, such as procmail; or C10H13NO2, 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine, molecular (atomic) weight 179.2182 |
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| 16:17.04 | phyrster | antgel: basically I am using the same command here 'startx', the only difference is that it is run by a user when logged in or a display manager when not logged in |
| 16:17.07 | SimonRaven | oh a good place for that kind of thing, permits some filtration |
| 16:17.14 | antgel | phyrster: so? |
| 16:17.18 | SimonRaven | stomach acid i imagine isn't good on plants ;) |
| 16:17.22 | woddf2 | How do I disable the FDD driver? |
| 16:17.32 | antgel | phyrster: the display manager doesn't run startx, does it? |
| 16:17.34 | phyrster | antgel: so how come the dpi is different? |
| 16:17.45 | antgel | phyrster: ^^ |
| 16:17.48 | phyrster | antgel: I configured the DM to run it. |
| 16:17.55 | nvz | SimonRaven: hmm.. maybe I should have spewed some on those vines that engulf everything in the yard |
| 16:17.55 | phyrster | the same command. |
| 16:18.05 | woddf2 | How do I disable the FDD driver? |
| 16:18.05 | antgel | phyrster: did you restart the DM? |
| 16:18.08 | SimonRaven | woddf2: not build it? |
| 16:18.10 | Ungy | does anyone know the file that kde uses to display the applications? |
| 16:18.12 | woddf2 | ? |
| 16:18.18 | woddf2 | SimonRaven: ? |
| 16:18.24 | phyrster | antgel: since I have .xinitrc (which startx) use, I just let the DM do the same thing. |
| 16:18.34 | phyrster | antgel: why restart? |
| 16:18.42 | SimonRaven | and please don't repeat, it's annoying when so soon after the first time |
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| 16:19.06 | SimonRaven | fdd driver i assume the floppy driver... |
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| 16:19.08 | antgel | phyrster: because xdm won't pick up new settings from the config file until you restart it (i reckon) |
| 16:19.11 | nvz | Ungy: what part of BTS, then #kde or #debian-kde was hard to understand earlier? |
| 16:19.14 | phyrster | cahoot: can you tell me what DM's read/source .xsession? and what is the difference between .xinitr and .xsession? |
| 16:19.18 | w0rmz | what is the command to check daemon status for debian ? |
| 16:19.24 | greycat | ps |
| 16:19.31 | antgel | phyrster: why not read the documentation for xdm? |
| 16:19.38 | nvz | Ungy: in debian we use the scripts in the "menu" package to generate menus. what kde does would be more well known in kde channels |
| 16:19.43 | SimonRaven | ps and grep or pgrep are your friends |
| 16:19.51 | cahoot | phyrster: I have one of them a symlink to the other |
| 16:19.55 | w0rmz | greycat, ps wont show all of daemon status |
| 16:20.03 | antgel | man ps |
| 16:20.03 | dogmeat | how do i login as user www-data from a non-root user account? when i try, it asks for a password. since i didnt set it, anything i type says 'Authentication failure'. in /etc/shadow the encrypted password is set to '*'. |
| 16:20.08 | SimonRaven | i like pidof, but i use ps when i know it won't show up there |
| 16:20.13 | phyrster | cahoot: then what abou the xsessions.d under /etc/x11? |
| 16:20.21 | Ungy | nvs I fixed my problem I am just trying to figure out sorry |
| 16:20.25 | w0rmz | like chkconfig for redhat or fedora |
| 16:20.28 | antgel | dogmeat: you're not supposed to login as that user, hence * |
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| 16:20.35 | phyrster | cahoot: how do you know they are run when starting X? |
| 16:20.41 | greycat | !chkconfig |
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| 16:20.51 | nvz | Ungy: no problem.. there just arent many knowlagable kde people around. serves you better to go to a kde channel |
| 16:20.56 | greycat | soryr, nobody cared enough to find an equivalent for that. |
| 16:20.59 | streuner | dpkg, hi |
| 16:20.59 | dpkg | hello, streuner |
| 16:21.09 | SimonRaven | w0rmz: if it's got a presence in the process table, then chanes are it's up and functional... |
| 16:21.09 | antgel | phyrster: did you read the docs? |
| 16:21.14 | SimonRaven | chances* |
| 16:21.19 | cahoot | phyrster: I really don't have any clue how the DM thing works - sorry |
| 16:21.20 | nvz | however I don't think knowlagable people use kde in the first place |
| 16:21.34 | greycat | debian tends to release daemons that *don't* fuck and need babysitting. |
| 16:21.36 | phyrster | antgel: xdm? I don't like its interface and thinking changing it. |
| 16:21.42 | greycat | therefore we don't have commands to babysit them. See? |
| 16:21.51 | streuner | hehe |
| 16:21.56 | antgel | phyrster: so why are you bothered about what xdm does? |
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| 16:22.13 | SimonRaven | greycat: :D |
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| 16:22.21 | antgel | !jesus |
| 16:22.21 | phyrster | antgel: but so far it is the not light-weight DM I know of. |
| 16:22.21 | dpkg | jesus is probably cool, or apparently now EMACS (see emacs) |
| 16:22.28 | RichiH | !emacs |
| 16:22.28 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] |
| 16:22.31 | asuffield | we also have better things to do than to reimplement ps badly |
| 16:22.34 | antgel | phyrster: why do you need any DM? |
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| 16:22.53 | antgel | that factoid needs refactoring :/ |
| 16:23.01 | RichiH | refactoidring |
| 16:23.13 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 16:23.20 | phyrster | antgel: for a home box, I want it autologin and don't want to type passwd and user name and 'startx' everytime |
| 16:23.23 | SimonRaven | needs work, but cute :) |
| 16:23.24 | woddf2 | The floppy driver is at /dev/fd0 but I don't know how to disable it |
| 16:23.36 | antgel | phyrster: why not stay logged in? |
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| 16:24.05 | phyrster | antgel: I have to pay the electricity bill. Otherwise my wife will beat me up ;) |
| 16:24.16 | antgel | woddf2: you already got told. recompile your kernel without it, or remove the module if it is one. |
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| 16:24.29 | woddf2 | I hope it is a module... |
| 16:24.39 | SimonRaven | @wayttd woddf2 |
| 16:24.39 | ravenbird | What Are You Trying To Do, woddf2? |
| 16:24.45 | phyrster | antgel: so I power down it when I don't use it. |
| 16:24.50 | Secretus | Can I install XEphem with apt-get ? |
| 16:24.54 | antgel | !tell phyrster about acpi |
| 16:24.57 | nvz | sucks being married to a husband beater eh? |
| 16:24.58 | woddf2 | I removed the floppy drive but it still thinks the floppy drive is there (as I expected) |
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| 16:25.25 | SimonRaven | Secretus: no, not anymore. fetch it from the site and build it. it's very simple if you read the install/build/readme |
| 16:25.26 | antgel | woddf2: sort it out in the bios |
| 16:25.32 | shingouz | Secretus: apt-cache search xephem, if you get something out of it, install with apt-get |
| 16:25.43 | Ungy | heh I wonder how many people will get nailed by the premature library package not being held back |
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| 16:25.52 | nvz | I think I'd like a chic who could beat me up but wouldnt because she has better things to do with her time |
| 16:25.56 | phyrster | antgel: thank you for the tip. It so happens that I have another question about acpi |
| 16:26.14 | bitshifty | can someone point me to a sendmail configuration document? |
| 16:26.24 | SimonRaven | Ungy: many i bet |
| 16:26.25 | antgel | phyrster: anyway if you want a DM and don't like xdm, don't waste time trying to get xdm to work |
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| 16:26.29 | phyrster | antgel: how to you configure acpi to suspend hard disk after a certain period of time |
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| 16:26.33 | streuner | bitshifty: no, use postfix, exim |
| 16:26.34 | antgel | bitshifty: google or the bat book |
| 16:26.37 | nvz | Ungy: is there a bug filed against it? |
| 16:26.50 | streuner | !sendmail |
| 16:26.51 | dpkg | sendmail is, like, ask me to start an mta war. |
| 16:26.55 | ecliptik | when doing a cp of files is there a way to keep it so a stat -c %Z will reflect the same epoch modification times/ |
| 16:26.56 | streuner | bah |
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| 16:27.00 | antgel | phyrster: i take it you have read the acpi docs? |
| 16:27.02 | phyrster | antgel: and how to you make acpi know what you want the monitor be in power save mode after 5 minutes of idle? |
| 16:27.12 | nvz | Ungy: I use apt-listbugs on upgrades to avoid known disasters |
| 16:27.14 | Ungy | nvz the guys in #debian-kde said it is already fixed and will be in the next upload |
| 16:27.16 | woddf2 | Also, how do I add /dev/hdb (the CD burner) to GRUB? |
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| 16:27.30 | Ungy | nvz yeah I installed those and it wasn;t there |
| 16:27.33 | antgel | woddf2: with difficulty? |
| 16:27.38 | nvz | Ungy: that doesnt matter. if its a bug it need be reported so people know |
| 16:27.42 | Secretus | @Simonraven : I read the readme , but I can't figure anything out, but maybe i'll try it again |
| 16:27.46 | shingouz | woddf2: why do you want to do that? |
| 16:27.56 | concept10 | is gnome 2.10 available in any repo? |
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| 16:28.03 | nvz | Ungy: BTS is not only for developers |
| 16:28.05 | streuner | concept10: no |
| 16:28.07 | SimonRaven | please don't do that @ stuff. it's a bot trigger |
| 16:28.11 | woddf2 | Well, I can't boot from CD otherwise no matter how I configure the BIOS |
| 16:28.12 | phyrster | antgel: I will pop that question in the mailing list. |
| 16:28.15 | nvz | Ungy: its what informs everyone |
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| 16:28.27 | streuner | concept10: packages are in unstable avaiable, in testing only a few |
| 16:28.27 | Ungy | yeah it is reported now |
| 16:28.30 | phyrster | cahoot: thank you for your help. I |
| 16:28.31 | nvz | the developers will just point and laugh at you after the fact |
| 16:28.34 | antgel | phyrster: why not read the docs? |
| 16:28.37 | SimonRaven | Secretus: read it carefully until you do |
| 16:28.37 | nvz | the BTS will let you know in advance |
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| 16:29.09 | streuner | concept10: some packages are need to build against libc6... |
| 16:29.29 | shingouz | woddf2: that was a new one. i think your cdrom is bad, you have a misconfig somewhere or the cd you try to boot is not bootable |
| 16:29.29 | streuner | concept10: and new libc6 isn't in etch yet... |
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| 16:29.40 | concept10 | streuner, what version? |
| 16:29.47 | streuner | !info libc6 sid |
| 16:29.48 | woddf2 | No, my BIOS is probably just too old |
| 16:29.51 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4811 kB, Installed size: 16336 kB |
| 16:30.05 | humbolto | how in gods name do I install linux on a sun enterprise 250, if there is no way to connect a monitor (is there some non-standard connector)? |
| 16:30.11 | nvz | streuner: sid is implied |
| 16:30.13 | shingouz | woddf2: that is another reason. how old is your computer? |
| 16:30.19 | concept10 | streuner, when do you think etch will goto stable? |
| 16:30.23 | nvz | streuner: info shows the latest version without argument |
| 16:30.26 | woddf2 | It's from 2001 but has a BIOS from 1999 or so |
| 16:30.56 | streuner | concept10: well, you have the chance to bet ;-) |
| 16:30.57 | antgel | woddf2: i'd be amazed if you can't boot from a 1999 bios |
| 16:30.58 | nvz | personally I think if you dont specify it should show all or there should be a way to show them all |
| 16:30.58 | shingouz | woddf2: i think the bios is the reason then. what are you trying to boot on the box now? |
| 16:31.12 | shingouz | antgel: that has happend |
| 16:31.14 | woddf2 | Well, I want to be able to boot from CD |
| 16:31.16 | concept10 | streuner, huh? |
| 16:31.24 | streuner | !etch bet |
| 16:31.24 | dpkg | to add a bet to the etch pool, /msg dpkg etch pool 1 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ |
| 16:31.27 | nvz | though it would be intensive to call upon all at once |
| 16:31.34 | streuner | !etch pool |
| 16:31.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etch pool is Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 16:31.37 | nvz | so I guess its better it doesnt |
| 16:32.15 | concept10 | streuner, that database might crash before etch is released :) |
| 16:32.17 | shingouz | woddf2: it is possible you will not be able to do that. adding the drive to grub does not make it boot off the cd in anycase. it boots off the hd and just starts the rest of the stuff off the cd in that case. use floppies to boot the thing if the cdboot does not work |
| 16:32.37 | woddf2 | I don't have a floppy drive |
| 16:32.49 | streuner | concept10: well, some people thought sarge won't release ever, they failed ;-) |
| 16:32.59 | shingouz | woddf2: get one |
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| 16:33.07 | woddf2 | Does this mean I should reinstall it? |
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| 16:33.13 | AngelGabriel | I'm having a slight problem here! I'm sitting in front of my normal working machine, and when i press ctrl-alt F1, i get a console. At that console I type "X -query ltspserver00 :1" And I get a login box, and all is well with the world.... then I hit ctrl-alt F7, and I'm back at my desktop. Great! Until i press crtl-alt F1 again, in which case, I'm presented with a console screen, sayin' X rejected, or something similar. |
| 16:33.17 | woddf2 | (well, I have one, but it wasn't connected) |
| 16:33.18 | shingouz | woddf2: how the hell did you install debian on the box in the first place? |
| 16:33.25 | woddf2 | I used the floppy drive |
| 16:33.37 | SimonRaven | !rube goldberg install |
| 16:33.37 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 16:33.37 | woddf2 | Maybe I should put it back in there |
| 16:33.47 | shingouz | woddf2: and then you disconnected it? i cannot see any reason to unplug the floppy |
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| 16:33.58 | woddf2 | OK, I'll reconnect it |
| 16:33.59 | woddf2 | Thanks |
| 16:34.01 | woddf2 | Oodbyegay |
| 16:34.06 | PattonPending | nvz: here here! |
| 16:34.20 | concept10 | streuner, I want to run debian on the desktop, but I like to keep up with the GNOME changes. I guess it will stay on just servers for now. |
| 16:34.30 | jeremywhiting | woddf2: or you could install a bootmanager on the hard drive |
| 16:34.40 | nvz | PattonPending: eh? |
| 16:34.49 | PattonPending | znv: the song |
| 16:34.50 | shingouz | jeremywhiting: if the hd is unbootable the bootmanager will not help |
| 16:35.00 | nvz | PattonPending: Jewel Kiltcher fan? |
| 16:35.01 | jeremywhiting | oh yeah |
| 16:35.02 | nvz | heh |
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| 16:36.13 | adsadsad | hi all |
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| 16:36.56 | SimonRaven | not yet |
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| 16:36.59 | adsadsad | how can i determine which packages i need to compile dpkg sources? |
| 16:37.03 | nvz | I think this song is funny and yet symbolic |
| 16:37.20 | nvz | and with all the talk of jews and funny hats today, why not |
| 16:37.31 | antgel | !jew |
| 16:37.31 | Bender` | How simple is an RJ45 networked-internet connection in Debian |
| 16:37.31 | dpkg | hmm... jew is '' |
| 16:37.32 | Bender` | ? |
| 16:37.43 | streuner | adsadsad: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:37.48 | antgel | Bender`: ask a proper fricking question |
| 16:37.53 | SimonRaven | Bender`: uh, what? |
| 16:37.57 | Bender` | heh-heh |
| 16:37.57 | greycat | RJ45 is just the shape of the connector on the end of a cable |
| 16:38.08 | SimonRaven | Bender`: ask a real question or get /ignored. thanks |
| 16:38.17 | nvz | oh jew, oh jew, oh do you hate him, because he's pieces of you.. do you hate him, because he's pie-ces of you |
| 16:38.21 | cahoot | hallå? |
| 16:38.27 | antgel | ls |
| 16:38.29 | streuner | adsadsad: look for apt-get build-deb |
| 16:38.31 | antgel | oops |
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| 16:38.37 | Orestes^ | I just updated my system to kde 3.3, and suddenly I can't find in my kmenu any aplication submenus/items... any ideas? |
| 16:38.44 | antgel | lucky i wasn't typing wget some pr0n |
| 16:38.52 | Bender` | Setting an Ethernet-based 'net compared to its simplicity with Win-XP. |
| 16:38.56 | Bender` | ...in Debian. |
| 16:39.10 | antgel | Bender`: it's easy if you know how |
| 16:39.11 | shingouz | Bender`: did you already install debian? |
| 16:39.20 | Bender` | Ah, yes. |
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| 16:39.25 | sombra | is iptables, pf or ipf avalible for win? |
| 16:39.27 | shingouz | Bender`: netinstall? |
| 16:39.31 | PattonPending | nvz: funny hats... lol |
| 16:39.43 | Bender` | I will attempt that in 10 minutes. |
| 16:39.45 | greycat | !pal sombra |
| 16:39.59 | shingouz | Bender`: so you did nto install debian yet, is that it? |
| 16:40.04 | SimonRaven | sombra: you want #windows. go to efnet |
| 16:40.07 | Bender` | yes |
| 16:40.11 | bitshifty | is there a command to list all the running processes? |
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| 16:40.17 | greycat | bitshifty: ps(1) |
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| 16:40.23 | shingouz | !tell Bender` about d-i |
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| 16:40.56 | nvz | PattonPending: You say he's a jew, does it mean that he's tight? you say he's a jew, do you want to hurt his kids tonight. You say he's a jew, "he'll never wear that funny hat again". |
| 16:41.00 | miguel_ | I removed a hot swap disk, and plugged another, the old was /dev/sdb, the new /dev/sdc, and sdb is gone, but if I reboot, the new comes as sdb |
| 16:41.04 | Vindevogel | hi, i just installed firefox on debian sarge. does anybody know how I can change the language of the menus and dialogs to dutch ? I did install the dutch locale, but that seems not to be enough |
| 16:41.08 | sombra | don't complain about win right now thats not intresting, I wonder if because I rather run some of these firewalls then NIS or someting else |
| 16:41.20 | sombra | I don't use win by the way |
| 16:41.20 | SimonRaven | miguel_: of course it does |
| 16:41.20 | miguel_ | how i make shure that it comes with hdc? |
| 16:41.39 | SimonRaven | miguel_: stick another drive or other scsi device in |
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| 16:41.55 | Robi_ | Hello ... |
| 16:41.56 | SimonRaven | miguel_: better yet, just edit fstab already |
| 16:42.01 | Orestes^ | no ideas? |
| 16:42.17 | shingouz | !any ideas |
| 16:42.17 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little thermal paste, and 42 sex-crazed goats. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 16:42.20 | antgel | Orestes^: you have obviously checked the bts |
| 16:42.26 | Orestes^ | euh |
| 16:42.32 | miguel_ | SimonRaven I need to rebuild and software raid1, so the raid must keep the disk name |
| 16:42.45 | Orestes^ | bts... since bts doesn't mean much to me, I doubt I do have... |
| 16:42.49 | Robi_ | can any one tell me what do i have to install to have something like Network Neigbourhood on my system.... i`m a newbie |
| 16:42.53 | Robi_ | :D |
| 16:42.54 | SimonRaven | miguel_: so add it to the array then sync it up |
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| 16:43.11 | nvz | Robi_: kde and gnome can both do that |
| 16:43.17 | SimonRaven | miguel_: see the newer s/w raid howto at www.tldp.org |
| 16:43.18 | PattonPending | nvz: your lyrical recall is amazing... I haven't listened to that alum in forever |
| 16:43.23 | Orestes^ | oh, btw, kcontrol is also empty |
| 16:43.23 | nvz | Robi_: gnome's filemanager nautilus works quite similar |
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| 16:43.34 | shingouz | !bts |
| 16:43.34 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 16:43.45 | nvz | PattonPending: me either.. I havent listend to it since it came out.. but i just listened to that song now |
| 16:43.45 | Robi_ | nvz : ok thanx |
| 16:43.50 | Orestes^ | shingouz: thanks |
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| 16:44.12 | Robi_ | nvz: and can i see the other computers from my network ? |
| 16:44.12 | bitshifty | no way i didn't know there were 6 different tty's? |
| 16:44.13 | shingouz | Orestes^: out of curiosity, what version of debian you run? |
| 16:44.15 | bitshifty | *. |
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| 16:44.15 | miguel_ | SimonRaven yeah, but look: old array: sda/sdb | sdb dies | rebuild with new disk, new array: sda/sdc, when reboot, sdc is gone, and so is the array |
| 16:44.29 | Orestes^ | shingouz: unstable, yes |
| 16:44.31 | nvz | PattonPending: I used to like jewel a lot. had a lot of respect for her and the things she's been through.. now she's morphing into just another teeny-pop star it seems |
| 16:44.44 | bitshifty | jewel always sucked. |
| 16:44.48 | SimonRaven | miguel_: uh, why are you building the array before you reboot? |
| 16:44.50 | bitshifty | anything on mtv = ruined. |
| 16:45.00 | Robi_ | nvz : i have KDE installed |
| 16:45.01 | nvz | Robi_: yeah puts a little "computer" on your desktop and you can view the network from there |
| 16:45.01 | shingouz | Orestes^: and you do not know about bts... $deity... |
| 16:45.09 | miguel_ | SimonRaven hey, the machine cant stop |
| 16:45.11 | Orestes^ | :S |
| 16:45.13 | bitshifty | listen to jazz, the genre actually features talented artists |
| 16:45.14 | nvz | Robi_: I am not sure about kde, but it should have somethign similar |
| 16:45.16 | SimonRaven | and it isn't hotswapping if you're rebooting |
| 16:45.19 | adsadsad | how can i redirect to file the gcc output? |
| 16:45.26 | greycat | adsadsad: >file 2>&1 |
| 16:45.26 | PattonPending | nvz: Quite the shame, but, I think you're right |
| 16:45.27 | Orestes^ | well, I must say it's the first problem I have had |
| 16:45.28 | antgel | not that anyone reads the topic, but do we think that it should be added to with something like "if you use unstable, check the bts first, and you should know how to sort problems etc" |
| 16:45.33 | Orestes^ | (in aboutt wo years) |
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| 16:45.37 | Robi_ | nvz : and what aplication is that? |
| 16:45.37 | antgel | obviously in a more flowing manner :) |
| 16:45.41 | SimonRaven | jazz, blues, etc. |
| 16:45.41 | PattonPending | bitshifty: shove your always sucked |
| 16:45.51 | adsadsad | gcc test.c > out.log doesnìt work |
| 16:45.54 | miguel_ | SimonRaven I'm just saing in case of a reboot, the array dies |
| 16:46.10 | miguel_ | SimonRaven not that I always reboot |
| 16:46.15 | nvz | PattonPending: i think she finally realize she is fucking hot and sex sells |
| 16:46.20 | SimonRaven | miguel_: then reboot first, then build the array.... |
| 16:46.23 | greycat | antgel: anyone smart enough to read the topic without being bludgeoned by a cluebat first should be smart enough to know what unstable means |
| 16:46.34 | adsadsad | greycat: what mean: ">file 2>&1"? |
| 16:46.49 | PattonPending | nvz: Not that I'm going to argue with that as a marketing /tactic/ but... some content would still be nice |
| 16:47.02 | greycat | adsadsad: man bash |
| 16:47.04 | greycat | adsadsad: get a unix book |
| 16:47.09 | antgel | greycat: they should also know how to install or find the faq which are in the topic |
| 16:47.11 | nvz | PattonPending: yeah the industry ruins things, what can I say |
| 16:47.11 | Orestes^ | anyhow, I did google for that bug, and I did find someone who said "it is a known issue"... but he had uninstalled kde and reinstalled kde... |
| 16:47.14 | SimonRaven | adsadsad: man bash; /REDIRECTION |
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| 16:47.32 | elephantman | How modification in /etc/resolv.conf may be applied ? |
| 16:47.44 | antgel | elephantman: vi |
| 16:47.45 | elephantman | Just by saving the file ? |
| 16:47.49 | PattonPending | adsadsad: Pipes and filters man... pipes and filters |
| 16:47.53 | elephantman | antgel: ok |
| 16:47.53 | Robi_ | nvz : and another thing...... how can i make my self in virtual-host? |
| 16:47.59 | Robi_ | an* |
| 16:48.00 | antgel | Robi_: yes |
| 16:48.10 | nvz | Robi_: I dont know what you are talking about |
| 16:48.16 | SimonRaven | elephantman: by saving it |
| 16:48.22 | PattonPending | nvz: you can accept it and move on to another independent artist |
| 16:48.29 | elephantman | Ok thanx |
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| 16:49.17 | Robi_ | nvz : id like to have a vhost on mi IP when i connect to irc. ( like a domain name or something ) |
| 16:49.17 | nvz | PattonPending: Independant artists have the battle of becomming known. the only ones I know are either family or people I grew up with |
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| 16:49.40 | greycat | nvz: or word of mouth. |
| 16:49.48 | Secretus | What do I have to fill in on the dots on this : "make MOTIF=../../libXm/linux86" |
| 16:49.48 | elephantman | fuck doesnt work |
| 16:49.53 | greycat | !fuck elephantman |
| 16:49.54 | nvz | PattonPending: though they are better because they arent 13 having a 49 year old writing their explicit lyrics and telling them how to act in front of people |
| 16:50.01 | antgel | Secretus: wtf? |
| 16:50.15 | the13th | Robi_: > you will need either a shell which supports a vhost or you may use hostserv if its supported on the server you want to connect to |
| 16:50.23 | shingouz | Robi_: that is not a debian problem, that has to do with the network you are connecting to, ask them |
| 16:50.24 | antgel | take it to #rockandroll |
| 16:50.33 | nvz | greycat: yeah but they are harder to come by.. you can get access to industry music with little effort |
| 16:50.37 | PattonPending | nvz: exactly, its heart vs marketing demographics |
| 16:50.45 | Robi_ | looooool |
| 16:50.46 | the13th | oh - and another idea would be: get a static ip, get a domain and map it to your static-ip |
| 16:50.47 | Secretus | antgel: In the Xephem install file says i have to CD to a folder and then type this, but do I have to type dots, or fill something in ? |
| 16:50.50 | the13th | did i forget anything? |
| 16:50.54 | greycat | Secretus: you seem to have mistaken us for "#commercialUnixWhores" |
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| 16:51.16 | gmoore | anyone know of an easy to set up ftp server where i can have a bunch of non-system users with different permissions? ie steve can access /ftproot/ and only upload while john can access the same directory and only download |
| 16:51.16 | greycat | oh wait, that would have to be ##commercialUnixWhores with lilo's new rules. |
| 16:51.23 | antgel | Secretus: in the nicest possible way, you need to learn about *nix |
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| 16:51.40 | PattonPending | lilo can blow me |
| 16:51.41 | greycat | and he needs to stop using Motif! |
| 16:51.42 | nvz | My friend Jay just got back in town from getting murdered in rap battles in Dallas, Tx. its a shame we were both in tx at the same time and didnt know it. but we are both back home now.. he's working on new material from what he tells me |
| 16:51.49 | the13th | gmoore: > nealy any ftpd you want? |
| 16:51.53 | the13th | i prefer proftpd |
| 16:51.55 | Secretus | I know i'm really dumb :( |
| 16:52.01 | greycat | Secretus: I'm sure the ../.. is litera |
| 16:52.02 | greycat | l |
| 16:52.13 | antgel | Secretus: no, just lazy |
| 16:52.14 | greycat | but Motif is EVIL! |
| 16:52.21 | gmoore | the13th: i just tried pure-ftpd but i can't figure out how to make virtual users with it :( |
| 16:52.30 | the13th | read the manpage? |
| 16:52.32 | Robi_ | nvz : this is my ip 82.77.183.130 .... id like it to be like this..... blablabla.com ..... a host name..... ..I have the domain , i`f made the pointing from it to ip .... how do i make rdns from my computer to that host name |
| 16:52.35 | the13th | read the manual? |
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| 16:52.46 | nvz | Robi_: hell if I know |
| 16:52.48 | antgel | !... |
| 16:52.48 | dpkg | hmm... ... is http://strugglers.net/rants/dots%20:(.php |
| 16:52.54 | nvz | I dont know shit about networking |
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| 16:53.00 | the13th | Robi_: > is this a static ip? |
| 16:53.02 | gmoore | the13th: i am and it is confusing as hell |
| 16:53.02 | nvz | just enough to get by |
| 16:53.06 | greycat | Robi_: tell your ISP "I want my static IP address to resolve to the following name: ...." |
| 16:53.07 | Robi_ | nvz : ok |
| 16:53.15 | Robi_ | the13th: yes it`s a static ip |
| 16:53.22 | elephantman | Ok thanx all - it works |
| 16:53.25 | greycat | Robi_: then they will point and laugh and say "You don't have a static IP, but we'll sell you one for $XXX per month." |
| 16:53.32 | the13th | gmoore: > try to use proftpd and webmin with the fitting module to configure it using a frontend |
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| 16:53.43 | greycat | Robi_: that's the best possible scenario. |
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| 16:53.48 | antgel | why would anyone want to use webmin? |
| 16:53.56 | gmoore | the13th: that would help a lot, ill try that |
| 16:53.57 | ke6isf | antgel: Because it's pretty. |
| 16:54.01 | the13th | antgel: > because its easy as hell? |
| 16:54.03 | Robi_ | greycat: i have a static ip |
| 16:54.05 | shingouz | antgel: because you can click on things |
| 16:54.11 | greycat | Robi_: given that you have NO PTR RECORD AT ALL right now, the more likely one is they will stammer and stutter and wonder how the hell they're supposed to fix their DNS, because they're clueless. |
| 16:54.14 | wers | i want to make a script that generates a .html file with links to all the files in the catalogue... any ideas where to look for one to modify? |
| 16:54.19 | gmoore | antgel: because i've been using linux for about 2 days and i'm having trouble doing certain things without a frontend |
| 16:54.20 | nvz | last time I caled my ISP was to ask them if they had an NTP server I could use.. they said "you mean FTP" I hung up and never called them again |
| 16:54.38 | ke6isf | Robi_: if they can host DNS, they can do it. If not, find somebody who can. |
| 16:54.41 | the13th | why should I cd around like an idiot when i just can connect to my running webmin and choose the module? |
| 16:54.51 | antgel | gmoore: better to dive in |
| 16:54.53 | Robi_ | ok.... |
| 16:55.01 | ke6isf | Robi_: Aside from that, greycat is right, they need to have a reverse record to you. |
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| 16:55.09 | the13th | sure - if you want to do some more complicated stuff its better to use an editor |
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| 16:55.12 | antgel | the13th: why should i click around like an idiot with rsi when i can use a keyboard? :P |
| 16:55.14 | Robi_ | greycat: how can i see and copy files from other computers from my LAN |
| 16:55.18 | shingouz | the13th: because webmin is evil |
| 16:55.25 | gmoore | antgel: yes and i've been trying to get virtual users to work for an hour with pureftpd and i'm getting pretty frustrated |
| 16:55.29 | antgel | gmoore: did you read the docs? |
| 16:55.29 | greycat | Robi_: scp, NFS, SMB, FTP, ... |
| 16:55.49 | PattonPending | Robi_: sftp even |
| 16:55.53 | ke6isf | the13th: webmin has a way of hosing certain configs. Not a good thing. It's stable with Postfix in my experience, but other than that it can be dangerous as I understand it. |
| 16:55.53 | riot | what do i have to do, to use two audio-programs (like mpd and quake3) simultaneously? |
| 16:56.01 | greycat | sftp is basically scp in drag |
| 16:56.03 | Robi_ | greycat: other comps ar running all with windows |
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| 16:56.05 | antgel | gmoore: in debian, all package docs are in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>. something else that could look quite good on the topic. greycat? |
| 16:56.08 | gmoore | antgel: yes and i followed them to make a user and i cannot log in with that user. i don't even know if pureftpd is loading the password file, and the docs say nothing about how to permission things the way i want to (i guess it's assumed you'd know how) |
| 16:56.09 | greycat | !pal Robi_ |
| 16:56.19 | antgel | gmoore: ^^^ |
| 16:56.21 | the13th | ke6isf: > its not more risky then editing the files by yourself |
| 16:56.24 | the13th | imho |
| 16:56.40 | Robi_ | greycat: i need something like a Network Neighbourhood on windows |
| 16:56.42 | antgel | gmoore: ok. if you don't know what it's doing, try to find out about turning on debug in the logs |
| 16:56.50 | PattonPending | Robi_: there are scp / sftp clients for windows, never tried them though |
| 16:56.51 | greycat | antgel: nobody *reads* the fucking /topic. certainly not the half-wits that can't find /usr/share/doc. It goes in the FAQ. The FAQ goes in the topic. We !topicsmite and !FAQsmite them liberally. |
| 16:56.51 | shingouz | Robi_: install some real software on the other boxes, you can get things like ftp and ssh to work on doze |
| 16:56.52 | ke6isf | the13th: I dunno, there's a difference between "hosed" and a minor mistake. |
| 16:56.55 | the13th | Robi_: > try smb4k for example |
| 16:57.00 | PattonPending | Robi_: smb shares are probably your best bet |
| 16:57.03 | nvz | Robi_: takl to the people in #kde or #debian-kde |
| 16:57.23 | nvz | Robi_: debian people arent really kde users by and large |
| 16:57.33 | gmoore | greycat: calm down lil buddy, i've been reading the docs for an hour -- im having trouble understanding them, not opening them |
| 16:57.39 | JoshH | tons of debian people use kde... nice generalization |
| 16:57.42 | the13th | ke6isf: > hmmm - never had such problems and I maintain smb, postfix, my ftpd, a jabber server and the mysql with it |
| 16:57.57 | cahoot | JoshH: you beat me to that |
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| 16:58.11 | ke6isf | the13th: It could be an isolated issue. Still, I personally don't wish to risk it, ya know? =^^= |
| 16:58.11 | greycat | gmoore: I will not help you with l33t virtual users. I despise that. |
| 16:58.13 | Robi_ | smb4k now this is what i need |
| 16:58.16 | Robi_ | finaly |
| 16:58.19 | nvz | then how come none of you can tell him how to view samba shares in kde? |
| 16:58.20 | antgel | gmoore: also note that debian user auth info tends to live in /var/log/auth.log |
| 16:58.22 | Robi_ | thanx the13th |
| 16:58.31 | gmoore | greycat: you despise setting up an ftp with non-system users? what |
| 16:58.35 | greycat | !l33t ftp |
| 16:58.35 | dpkg | <newbie> How do I configure my FTP server to have users that aren't in /etc/passwd? Help me, I'm too lame to set their shell to /bin/false and put /bin/false in /etc/shells!!!!! |
| 16:58.37 | greycat | yes. |
| 16:58.38 | JoshH | i can, even though i dont use kde |
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| 16:58.43 | JoshH | smb:/// in konq |
| 16:58.47 | fek | hi |
| 16:58.51 | greycat | I also despise FTP, period. |
| 16:58.52 | fek | erm, ECHAN |
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| 16:59.03 | gmoore | awesome, i appreciate your input, and discard it |
| 16:59.05 | poonj | greycat, why? |
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| 16:59.13 | PattonPending | Josh: you have Konq, but not KDE? |
| 16:59.19 | PattonPending | JoshH: What? |
| 16:59.22 | the13th | lol |
| 16:59.28 | greycat | damn it, I need to write a FAQ page "Why does greycat hate FTP?" |
| 16:59.29 | antgel | gmoore: don't worry. debian is the nuts and if you've been using it two days, you're not doing bad. some people can't query the bts after two years. |
| 16:59.29 | nvz | the help here in #debian for the most part couldn't care less about kde if they tried. I've been here for nearly half a decade now. I know kde questions are usually best asked elsewhere |
| 16:59.32 | the13th | i like my kde ;) |
| 16:59.35 | greycat | I'm tired of everyone asking me over and over. |
| 16:59.51 | gmoore | antgel: well technically i'm using ubuntu but noone in that channel knows how to do this :-) |
| 17:00.04 | PattonPending | gmoore: heh! |
| 17:00.10 | antgel | oh oh <drumroll> |
| 17:00.13 | the13th | greycat: when you are done, I will write a "Why do I hate lirc" FAQ ;) |
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| 17:00.22 | JoshH | greycat: what if you want someone to be able to upload files, but you dont want them to have a real account for sftp/scp |
| 17:00.34 | antgel | !tell gmoore about not debian |
| 17:00.36 | shingouz | greycat: we should probably do a hate-faq for the channel, most of us here have some pet peeve |
| 17:00.37 | JoshH | virtual ftp is handy imo |
| 17:00.50 | greycat | JoshH: why would I want people uploading files? |
| 17:01.00 | antgel | shingouz: it can go in the normal faq. :) |
| 17:01.02 | PattonPending | the13th: and when you are done with that, I'll write the "Why KDE should be banned" FAQ |
| 17:01.03 | cahoot | strangely enough one can dl kernelsrc via ftp |
| 17:01.06 | JoshH | if you were hosting a bunch of sites? |
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| 17:01.15 | shingouz | antgel: but that faq will grow too big |
| 17:01.19 | greycat | if I'm hosting CUSTOMERS, they'd have /etc/passwd entries. |
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| 17:01.23 | the13th | why do so many people hate kde? :-/ |
| 17:01.25 | antgel | JoshH: but if their shell is /bin/false, they can't use scp |
| 17:01.34 | antgel | the13th: because it's pointless bloatware |
| 17:01.39 | JoshH | what if your customers with /etc/passwd entries want virtual ftp users?> |
| 17:01.41 | antgel | speaking for myself |
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| 17:01.51 | JoshH | so that their web design guy doesnt need their main password |
| 17:01.53 | greycat | JoshH: then they could pay for their own unix boxes. |
| 17:01.54 | PattonPending | the13th: I hate it because I am not a fan of half of my resources being taken up for the sake of "ooooooo... shiny!" |
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| 17:02.10 | PattonPending | the13th: I have a winXP box for that |
| 17:02.33 | shingouz | PattonPending: i think i wll write the "why i hate doze faq" |
| 17:02.46 | sombra | the13th, because GNOME is mutch wider, look at Nokia and a bunch of other projects who is using GNOME |
| 17:02.52 | nvz | I think I am going to go find something to spend money on I am going crazy sitting arounf |
| 17:02.55 | PattonPending | shingouz: yeah let me know how that goes, I'll contribute the part on IE |
| 17:03.00 | the13th | PattonPending: > you really should think about not starting every useless shit and put it into your kicker |
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| 17:03.08 | the13th | ;) |
| 17:03.09 | RvGaTe | good evening people |
| 17:03.10 | antgel | when i was new to unix, at nortel, we had solaris workstations with cde. i undertook compilation of kde 2.x as i couldn't handle CDE. but as i learnt about unix, i realised that there was _nothing_ that i could do with kde that i couldn't do without it. |
| 17:03.11 | JoshH | greycat: i understand your attitude i hate ftp too, but if youre running an isp, then its a necessity |
| 17:03.17 | antgel | apart from wait around a lot. |
| 17:03.19 | shingouz | PattonPending: i think i will add a special section about nokia there... |
| 17:03.27 | greycat | JoshH: I don't run an ISP |
| 17:03.40 | the13th | antgel: > i think you can say this for nearly any wm |
| 17:03.47 | antgel | the13th: kde isn't a wm |
| 17:03.56 | antgel | it's an abomination. |
| 17:04.00 | the13th | imho it's just a matter of taste |
| 17:04.00 | adsadsad | stdlib.h unistd.h termios.h in which package are? |
| 17:04.03 | shingouz | !beer antgel |
| 17:04.06 | greycat | !FAQsmite adsadsad |
| 17:04.07 | dpkg | adsadsad: GO READ THE FAQ!! It's at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ -- greycat and others have SLAVED for HOURS to make a FAQ that answers your question and you don't even bother to read it! http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:04.10 | greycat | like that, antgel. |
| 17:04.19 | PattonPending | the13th: No, I know it can be tweaked, and yes, it does have some better abilities in terms of getting at the internals in an oh-so-pretty way, but even with the bloat turned off it just feels like a waste |
| 17:04.20 | nvz | after the money runs out and it cools down some I need to come back and clean my desk is such a mess I have to sit on the floor :P |
| 17:04.25 | antgel | funny - i wanted to compile it so much, i had to build gcc first. :D |
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| 17:04.33 | antgel | the13th: indeed |
| 17:04.34 | sombra | adsadsad, whats a abomination? |
| 17:04.43 | antgel | shingouz: ta but i'm off the sauce |
| 17:04.44 | stew | the13th: here's why i don't like kde: "time rxvt -e echo foo" -> 0.033 total ; "time konsole -e echo foo" -> 4.040 total |
| 17:04.47 | the13th | PattonPending: like said: its just a matter of taste |
| 17:04.52 | greycat | stew: hahahaha |
| 17:04.55 | Orestes^ | mmm checking bts I found my problem with Kcontrol, however it says that updating kdebase to the same version as kcontrol should fix this.. Later on someone says it does not, and in fact I am using version 4:3.3.2-1 of both and the log I'm looking at talks about 4:3.4.1-1 |
| 17:05.00 | PattonPending | shingouz: I spent 3 hours last night trying to kill the peekaboo bug for IE for a client |
| 17:05.05 | nvz | got 40's, 22's, poptart boxes, matches.. you name it.. its all over my desk |
| 17:05.06 | antgel | greycat: good smite job |
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| 17:05.18 | nvz | bacardi bottles |
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| 17:05.22 | shingouz | PattonPending: it would have been faster to just reinstall the whole thing |
| 17:05.22 | antgel | !wm war |
| 17:05.29 | PattonPending | the13th: I'll agree to that, and we can quit flaming in a legit technical board |
| 17:05.37 | stew | and konsole dumps some 100 lines of warnings to stderr in the process... |
| 17:05.50 | aarkerio | Hi. somebody has compiled the 2.6.11 kernel using kernel-headers-2.6.11? |
| 17:05.52 | PattonPending | shingouz: nah, its a web developer thing. You on doze now you can check it out |
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| 17:05.58 | the13th | stew: sounds like pretty misconfigured |
| 17:06.00 | antgel | !tell aarkerio about ask |
| 17:06.03 | ke6isf | !start a wm war |
| 17:06.03 | dpkg | ratpoison bites! |
| 17:06.12 | _ioscanner | I amm trying to run a php program with socket. php doesn't seem to have socket support build in. Where do I get the php socket for debian woody |
| 17:06.13 | shingouz | PattonPending: me? on doze? you have to be dreaming man |
| 17:06.16 | stew | the13th: dunno, all i did was apt-get install konsole |
| 17:06.29 | PattonPending | shingouz: good man |
| 17:06.30 | antgel | i think i want to try ratpoison one day. don't really have the guts |
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| 17:06.39 | stew | the13th: if it requres any configuration to use it beyond that, it's broken |
| 17:06.42 | jeremywhiting | hi all, what's the debian way to get alsa for 2.6 kernel again? |
| 17:06.53 | antgel | jeremywhiting: it's in the kernel |
| 17:06.59 | shingouz | jeremywhiting: alsaconf |
| 17:07.01 | ke6isf | _ioscanner: Curious, why are you still running woody? |
| 17:07.16 | _ioscanner | I haven't upgraded it yet |
| 17:07.18 | _ioscanner | on the list |
| 17:07.23 | jeremywhiting | kernel-sources-2.6.8 doesn't seem to have it on my box for some reason |
| 17:07.23 | antgel | the13th: like to see your stats for a similar exercise |
| 17:07.28 | Vindevogel | hi, i just installed firefox on debian sarge. does anybody know how I can change the language of the menus and dialogs to dutch ? I did install the dutch locale, but that seems not to be enough. PRIVATE MSG please |
| 17:07.29 | _ioscanner | But I have a program to run that needs it before then |
| 17:07.30 | Mage | mmh I get a strange error, I cannot login on my box : /bin/bash: permission denied ... any idea ? |
| 17:07.40 | Mage | /bin/bash is root:root 755 |
| 17:07.40 | ke6isf | _ioscanner: Is "stable" still in your sources.list? |
| 17:07.41 | jeremywhiting | I must have messed it up somehow |
| 17:08.10 | _ioscanner | I can't find on sarge either |
| 17:08.11 | ke6isf | Mage: What's permissions on /bin? |
| 17:08.13 | the13th | stew: then this is a problem of the maintainer and not of konsole - but like PattonPending said: whe could stop flaming and/or bitching as no one will change the way he thinks just because the other likes/dislikes it |
| 17:08.30 | antgel | !tell Mage about unix lessons |
| 17:08.30 | _ioscanner | Yes using ftp.us.debian.oorg/debian |
| 17:08.56 | Mage | ke6isf: 755 |
| 17:08.56 | antgel | the13th: no, but empirical evidence might have an impact |
| 17:08.57 | aarkerio | Can I compil the 2.6.11 kernel using GCC 4.0 ? |
| 17:09.03 | Mage | antgel: I don't need unix lessons |
| 17:09.06 | ke6isf | _ioscanner: If you didn't set it for "oldstable" or something I think you're now running sarge. Could be wrong though. |
| 17:09.12 | ke6isf | Mage: =O.o= |
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| 17:09.15 | PattonPending | the13th: does Gnome just 'feel wrong' to you? I used KDE a while ago, but it just bothered me |
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| 17:09.23 | Mage | I just dist-upgrade and I can't login except as root |
| 17:09.28 | Mage | udev seems to fail |
| 17:09.28 | antgel | Mage: well go and login to your box them |
| 17:09.32 | antgel | them -> then |
| 17:09.41 | the13th | PattonPending: > i don't like the "feel" it has - yes |
| 17:09.45 | _ioscanner | no it is still old system |
| 17:09.46 | Mage | antgel: go die |
| 17:09.47 | Robi_ | can any one tell me if there is any LAN chat awaileble for linux? |
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| 17:10.08 | the13th | i'm one of those who like software in the style of "one-for-all" |
| 17:10.12 | _ioscanner | I have checked on both new and old. I can't find a package for php socket. php doesn't have it build with a new install |
| 17:10.13 | shingouz | Robi_: huh? |
| 17:10.19 | Orestes^ | mmm nobody has any clue.. or should I get a shot, as dpkg told me? |
| 17:10.28 | the13th | and I don't really care if it uses some more cpu-time |
| 17:10.35 | PattonPending | the13th: yeah, that's it. Personally I have my beefs with both of them and sit in a terminal most of the time anyway *grin* |
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| 17:10.50 | strat50s | hi |
| 17:10.59 | antgel | i'd like to ask kde users what they can do with their workstations that i, a non-kde user, can't. |
| 17:11.04 | Robi_ | shingouz: is there something like that? |
| 17:11.11 | strat50s | is it possible to share via NFS an already mounted SMB directory? |
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| 17:11.13 | priest | Robi_::: what kind of chat, VoIP? |
| 17:11.24 | the13th | antgel: > let me think of it - nothing? |
| 17:11.34 | antgel | !tell Robi_ about jabber |
| 17:11.35 | Robi_ | Yep |
| 17:11.43 | Orestes^ | antgel: what can a gnome user do, than a non-gnome can? |
| 17:11.45 | antgel | doh |
| 17:11.47 | the13th | but let me ask you a question too: what can YOU do what a KDE User can't do? |
| 17:11.56 | _ioscanner | package should be php-net-socket |
| 17:12.08 | PattonPending | antgel: a gnome user can screw with gnome-session for hours! KDE user's can't do that! |
| 17:12.08 | antgel | Orestes^: have a tacky garden? |
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| 17:12.25 | ke6isf | _ioscanner: do 'apt-cache show php4-cgi'. It describes as having sockets support. Is this what you need? |
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| 17:12.56 | antgel | the13th: be efficient? i dunno. anyway i was looking for reasons _to_ use it as with it's footprint, there had better be some. |
| 17:12.56 | ke6isf | Ghod, I need coffee.... |
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| 17:13.12 | mbuf | i recompiled 2.6.12.5, when i do "mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.12.5 2.6.12.5" , the .img is not being created, why is that ? |
| 17:13.15 | the13th | antgel: > i am efficient when using kde too |
| 17:13.19 | mbuf | using debian sarge 3.1 |
| 17:13.19 | the13th | so whats the problem? |
| 17:13.20 | Vindevogel | pff, what a bunch of crap |
| 17:13.36 | _ioscanner | well I have php4-cgi installed |
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| 17:13.39 | ke6isf | !start a wm war |
| 17:13.40 | dpkg | blackbox sucks! |
| 17:13.44 | Grumbly | good day! |
| 17:13.45 | _ioscanner | 4.3.10-15 |
| 17:13.46 | the13th | ke6isf: lol |
| 17:14.03 | Grumbly | can someone help me out? I'm trying to find 2 things, but I am not sure where to start. |
| 17:14.07 | zuralin | mbuf, i don't think you're really supposed to make an image by hand (i could be wrong).. how are you building your kernel |
| 17:14.12 | [AWAY]Mega[Work] | I am facing problems with the CUPS. They see what it appears in error_log: |
| 17:14.12 | [AWAY]Mega[Work] | I [18/Aug/2005:13:42:22 -0300] Started backend /usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf (PID 21222) for job 19. |
| 17:14.12 | [AWAY]Mega[Work] | D [18/Aug/2005:13:42:22 -0300] ProcessIPPRequest: 8 status_code=0 |
| 17:14.12 | [AWAY]Mega[Work] | E [18/Aug/2005:13:42:22 -0300] PID 21222 stopped with status 254! |
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| 17:14.13 | ke6isf | _ioscanner: Note, this is fromthe Sarge repo. |
| 17:14.16 | the13th | ke6isf: > this reminds me of windoze <> linux, intel <> amd, linux <> bsd |
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| 17:14.24 | [AWAY]Mega[Work] | Somebody knows where meeting reference on status 254 in cups? |
| 17:14.26 | antgel | that was a cracker, with the nick as well |
| 17:14.26 | mbuf | zuralin, make menuconfig; make; make modules_install |
| 17:14.27 | Grumbly | the 1st, most important is a Call tracking/Support system Ala CRM |
| 17:14.28 | _ioscanner | Yes I installed it and it works |
| 17:14.29 | PattonPending | ke6isf: great! we've now moved from desktop environments down to wm's, after that it will be schedulers |
| 17:14.38 | Grumbly | the second is a PBX logger/monitor |
| 17:14.41 | _ioscanner | I have many php programs running |
| 17:14.51 | the13th | oh -- and not to forget: sun <> rain |
| 17:14.51 | zuralin | mbuf, install kernel-package and look into make-kpkg |
| 17:14.52 | antgel | !start a kernel war |
| 17:14.52 | dpkg | 2.4 is buggy as hell! |
| 17:14.55 | _ioscanner | Just not with sockets |
| 17:15.20 | PattonPending | antgel: MACH ahahahah lolz I win |
| 17:15.42 | ke6isf | ED IS TEH STANDARD EDITOR!!!!!!!1!!!!1ONE!!!!!ELEVEN!!!! |
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| 17:15.52 | the13th | lol |
| 17:15.52 | _ioscanner | how can I desc a package that is already installed |
| 17:15.57 | antgel | the13th: nothing personal, was just trying to find out if there is a good reason to use kde. thanks for input :) |
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| 17:16.09 | antgel | !start a world war |
| 17:16.09 | dpkg | Pakistan sucks! |
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| 17:16.15 | antgel | jesus are we sure it's a bot? |
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| 17:16.22 | [AWAY]Mega[Work] | Somebody knows where meeting reference on status 254 in cups? |
| 17:16.28 | the13th | antgel: > the best way to find out if a wm suits your needs is to try it |
| 17:16.45 | Matilda | heyy |
| 17:16.46 | the13th | there are so many available - and everyone has its pros and cons |
| 17:16.52 | PattonPending | antgel: yeah that's pretty amazin |
| 17:16.52 | Matilda | herkes neden ingilizce yazýyor |
| 17:17.06 | mbuf | zuralin, installed kernel-package, will look into make-kpkg, thanks |
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| 17:17.10 | reddi | is it possible to extract *.zip with gunzip or do i need another programm? |
| 17:17.14 | Matilda | türk varmýý |
| 17:17.15 | the13th | Matilda: > what about writing in english? sounds like a good idea, right? |
| 17:17.22 | ke6isf | _ioscanner: The best help I can offer is 'apt-cache search socket | grep php`, and see if something suits your fancy. |
| 17:17.26 | antgel | the13th: precisely. trust you noted my comments ^^^. when i realised that i was using vi, emacs, xterm, etc, i.e. no Kpuppet or what have you, i realised that it wasn't for me. |
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| 17:17.29 | Matilda | the13th anlamadým |
| 17:17.37 | stew | !tr |
| 17:17.37 | dpkg | trke yardm iin #debian.tr -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
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| 17:17.40 | _ioscanner | I checked the php4-cgi it diesn't have sockets in it |
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| 17:17.59 | ke6isf | _ioscanner: Crap. |
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| 17:18.06 | zuralin | mbuf, also check out newbiedoc.sf.net and look at the compiling the kernel the debian way section |
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| 17:18.47 | _ioscanner | dpkg -l php4-cgi and look at the lib dir. no socket.so |
| 17:18.48 | dpkg | No packages found matching php4-cgi and look at the lib dir. no socket.so |
| 17:19.06 | FabParma | im tring to upgrade the kernel, i use this command " apt-get dist-kernel" but dont work. what mi missing? |
| 17:19.20 | Matilda | UYARI: ApTek, Lütfen Harfleri Uzatmayýn! |
| 17:19.26 | Matilda | UYARI: AjLavJo, Lütfen Büyük Harf Kullanmayýnýz! |
| 17:19.26 | ke6isf | !tr |
| 17:19.27 | dpkg | trke yardm iin #debian.tr -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 17:19.29 | antgel | !tell fabparma about upgrade kernel |
| 17:19.31 | PattonPending | I actually just got around to reading the topic, X.org is in? Sweet! |
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| 17:19.37 | antgel | !tell fabparma about kernel upgrade |
| 17:19.48 | PattonPending | now if I were just running Sid and didn't care about shit being broken |
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| 17:19.54 | the13th | PattonPending: yes it is ;) |
| 17:19.55 | ke6isf | Matilda: Please, speak English. |
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| 17:20.09 | Matilda | ke6isf neden |
| 17:20.14 | Matilda | ben türkümmm |
| 17:20.17 | Matilda | salak |
| 17:20.17 | antgel | FabParma: you are missing the manual. man apt-get. |
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| 17:20.24 | the13th | but thats the only package I have installed from sid - except the 2.6.11er kernel and the lirc-stuff |
| 17:20.28 | ke6isf | *sigh* dammit |
| 17:20.40 | xbmodder | FabParma, kernel upgrades on gentoo are just a matter of reconfiguring the kernel to match your hardware, then compiling it and installing it. |
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| 17:20.49 | lucio-kroma | opa |
| 17:21.00 | PattonPending | the13th: that's freakin sweet |
| 17:21.03 | the13th | ke6isf: > one thing I love about irc is the possibility to use ignore ;) |
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| 17:21.18 | PattonPending | the13th: too bad that means I get to wait 3 years for it to show up in stable |
| 17:21.22 | Matilda | /ignore nick |
| 17:21.27 | ke6isf | the13th: Oh, if it continues, I will. |
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| 17:21.39 | FabParma | i already done it some time a go just typing something like " apt-get dist-kernel" |
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| 17:21.59 | PattonPending | the13th: any idea when it makes it into testing? guesses? |
| 17:22.01 | the13th | PattonPending: but I would advise against using the transparency stuff of xorg - because for me the xserver gets slow as hell when enabling it |
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| 17:22.10 | ke6isf | the13th: That or call !ops if it gets to be a *real* problem. |
| 17:22.20 | FabParma | but now dont work, probabily i forgotten something |
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| 17:22.32 | the13th | PattonPending: as it's running nice for me I think it wouldn't take that long |
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| 17:22.37 | the13th | but who knows.... |
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| 17:22.38 | antgel | will xchat save my /ignore list when i close it? |
| 17:22.44 | the13th | debian is allway so fast ;) |
| 17:22.50 | PattonPending | oh yeah |
| 17:22.52 | PattonPending | smokin really |
| 17:22.52 | the13th | antgel: good question ;) |
| 17:22.52 | ke6isf | antgel: Yep. |
| 17:23.00 | antgel | nice :) |
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| 17:23.10 | yang | there is openssh ver. 4.1 released, but stable tree uses 3.8.1 ? |
| 17:23.11 | dob1 | hi |
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| 17:23.28 | dob1 | installing debian using the netinstall iso, can i select to use lilo or grub ? i prefer lilo |
| 17:23.43 | antgel | PattonPending: if you care so much, go to unstable (when it's a bit more sorted). it's rarely a problem for the informed. |
| 17:23.47 | e2e | I'm looking for a mp3 encoder for sarge, but couldn't find... lame or gogo not packaged for debian... Is there any encoder i could use? |
| 17:23.51 | FabParma | no one can tell me how to upgrade the kernel? please |
| 17:23.55 | antgel | dob1: nope, have to install lilo anyway |
| 17:24.00 | antgel | FabParma: read the man page |
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| 17:24.13 | dob1 | antgel, is lilo the default, no grub ? |
| 17:24.14 | the13th | FabParma: www.google.com and search for kernel upgrade debian |
| 17:24.14 | antgel | dob1: anyway -> afterwards |
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| 17:24.24 | antgel | dob1: grub is default, sorry i'm typing like a cock |
| 17:24.31 | PattonPending | antgel: ? wasn't grub the default, and can't you choose? |
| 17:24.33 | FabParma | in here the answers are man pages or google |
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| 17:24.45 | priest | FabParma::: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:24.47 | PattonPending | antgel: I think if you do the 'expert' netinst it gives you the choice |
| 17:25.04 | dob1 | antgel, ok but after installed the system i can install lilo, it will be configure automatically? |
| 17:25.09 | the13th | FabParma: > because its a questions that is asked so many times a day that people are tired to write the same shit that is written on dozens of pages anyway? |
| 17:25.11 | FabParma | im installing the 2.6.x |
| 17:25.15 | stouset | Is anyone experiencing problems with udev right now? I am plugging in my ipod. dmesg reports that it's detected and assigned to sda, but no device nodes appear in /dev for sda. |
| 17:25.15 | antgel | FabParma: especially for trivial questions and more so for people who can't be bothered to read man |
| 17:25.23 | ke6isf | e2e: try glame. |
| 17:25.24 | antgel | PattonPending: didn't know that |
| 17:25.31 | pzn | Hi. I'd like all the users (sarge) to have access only to /home/username and its subdirectories. can you recommend something to read/search for, ...? |
| 17:25.34 | the13th | stouset: > which kernel? |
| 17:25.35 | antgel | dob1: yes. but grub is empirically better. |
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| 17:25.43 | stouset | the13th: 2.6.12 |
| 17:25.48 | antgel | !tell pzn about permissions |
| 17:25.51 | e2e | ke6isf: I'm goingto try it |
| 17:25.51 | the13th | waaaah |
| 17:25.53 | yang | which is a good tool to measure disk speed? |
| 17:25.55 | antgel | !permissions |
| 17:25.55 | dpkg | from memory, permissions is multiple acts of permitting |
| 17:26.01 | dob1 | antgel, ok but i don't know the grub configuration system and lilo for me is ok :) |
| 17:26.05 | antgel | pzn: sorry, the bot let me down. |
| 17:26.07 | the13th | tried the 2.6.12er yesterday and gone back to 2.6.11 again |
| 17:26.08 | PattonPending | dob1: If you did the 'expert' install with the netinst, you should have the option to choose |
| 17:26.09 | stew | pzn: its not feasible |
| 17:26.23 | stouset | the13th: udev only supports 2.6.12 and up now. |
| 17:26.23 | antgel | dob1: if you have a fairly normal system, it will configure itself anyway. |
| 17:26.37 | stew | pzn: /msg dpkg chroot ssh |
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| 17:26.47 | the13th | stouset: > i know - thats why you should backup the old packages before doing such stuff ;) |
| 17:26.49 | ke6isf | pzn: In order to do that you'd have to deny basic functionality through out the system (read: /*/bin). |
| 17:26.55 | PattonPending | dob1: yeah Grub pretty much takes care of things, even up to detecting and adding entries for other OS's automatically |
| 17:26.57 | antgel | dob1: the installer is smart, and if you install debian kernels, it updates grub for you |
| 17:26.58 | stouset | the13th: I haven't had any problems until today. |
| 17:26.59 | PyRoSQuEe | anyone know where i can go for help installing seti@home for debian |
| 17:27.06 | dob1 | antgel, yes but after installed the system i need to recompile the kernel and i don't know how to put the new kernel on boot with grub, so i prefer lilo |
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| 17:27.14 | antgel | dob1: ^^^ :) |
| 17:27.20 | the13th | stouset: > i had problems with my flashcards and the digicam with 2.6.12 |
| 17:27.27 | ke6isf | pzn: Besides, your users usually won't have write access beyond their ~ and tmp anyway. |
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| 17:27.27 | stouset | the13th: I've been running it for at least two or three weeks. |
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| 17:27.27 | the13th | thats why I changed back |
| 17:27.28 | Qurban | :D |
| 17:27.31 | Qurban | Matilda :PPp |
| 17:27.37 | Matilda | Qurban bak þimdi |
| 17:27.40 | Matilda | kimse beni anlamýo |
| 17:27.41 | antgel | fucks sake |
| 17:27.44 | pzn | ke6isf, I can copy the needed files (or hardlink them) in users area. I don't want them to access /tmp. |
| 17:27.48 | Matilda | hatta bi kanalda beni banladýlar |
| 17:27.55 | Matilda | türkçe konustum die |
| 17:28.05 | antgel | pzn: lots of programs use /tmp |
| 17:28.11 | the13th | pzn: > that a bad idea because of the X sockets and stuff |
| 17:28.12 | PyRoSQuEe | anyone know how to install seti@home??? |
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| 17:28.18 | the13th | +s |
| 17:28.24 | stouset | PyRoSQuEe: It's a PITA. |
| 17:28.29 | ke6isf | PyRoSQuEe: apt-get install setiathome |
| 17:28.34 | stouset | ke6isf: Not any more. |
| 17:28.35 | PattonPending | dob1: if you use the standard apt commands to get the new kernel precompiled it will be added to the grub menu.lst automagically (punny) if you recompile it yourself it isn't too hard at all to change the entry to the new vmlinuz. Google is your friend |
| 17:28.40 | stouset | ke6isf: Not maintained any more. |
| 17:28.46 | pzn | ke6isf, this server will be used only as a fileserver. users will only save files using scp to it. just that. |
| 17:28.49 | ke6isf | PyRoSQuEe: OK, strike that. |
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| 17:29.06 | ke6isf | PyRoSQuEe: Go to the seti website and download. |
| 17:29.11 | the13th | PattonPending: > you can even just copy the kernel to /boot and do a update-grub |
| 17:29.18 | _ioscanner | Yep stable php4-cgi has broken socket build. loaded unstable php4-cgi and it works |
| 17:29.20 | the13th | or was it update-grub.real? |
| 17:29.25 | ke6isf | pzn: Then it's not a shell question, it's an scp question. |
| 17:29.26 | dob1 | PattonPending, yes but i have no problem with lilo i know to use it, just don't need to learn to use grub, this is why i prefer lilo :) |
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| 17:29.31 | the13th | something like this |
| 17:29.37 | PattonPending | the13th: yeah I think .real |
| 17:29.55 | antgel | dob1: you don't need to learn how to use it. |
| 17:29.58 | PattonPending | the13th: haven't done it in a while |
| 17:30.00 | the13th | i don't compile kernels by myself that often ;) |
| 17:30.06 | stouset | the13th: Well, kernel update is in apt so hopefully that was the problem. |
| 17:30.13 | pzn | ke6isf, well, if user logs in to run "ls" and check what files are there... its is a shell question... :-) |
| 17:30.17 | antgel | SimonRaven: the colours on your website are criminal |
| 17:30.24 | PyRoSQuEe | ke6isf: i downloaded a .sh, what do i need for that type of file? |
| 17:30.26 | the13th | stouset: > could be - you maybe just check out the bugtracker |
| 17:30.35 | stouset | PyRoSQuEe: sh |
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| 17:30.39 | the13th | PyRoSQuEe: chmod +x it |
| 17:30.42 | the13th | and execute it |
| 17:30.45 | stouset | the13th: Been doing it. |
| 17:30.58 | the13th | found anything? |
| 17:30.59 | stouset | the13th: sh file.sh |
| 17:31.12 | the13th | stouset: > yeah - or that ;) |
| 17:31.13 | stouset | the13th: Of course not. |
| 17:31.17 | dob1 | antgel, i use a custom kernel no the precompiled debian, anyway i will install lilo after the system i think that i will have no problem :) |
| 17:31.33 | ke6isf | pzn: if they're logging in via ssh, but you did say that the only thing they were doing was logging in via scp. |
| 17:31.50 | PattonPending | dob1: to answer your inital question again, if you do the expert install on the netinst it should give you the option of which bootloader to use after you finish selecting and dl'ing the initial packages. I've not used Lilo from that point, so I can't tell you, but I can't imagine it will be too bad |
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| 17:31.56 | the13th | oh - the next war |
| 17:31.57 | PyRoSQuEe | so all i have to do is 'sh <file_name>.sh? |
| 17:31.57 | antgel | dob1: doesn't matter. apt-cache show kernel-package |
| 17:31.57 | Buc | how would i create a cronjob to run every 6 hours ? |
| 17:32.05 | the13th | grub <> lilo |
| 17:32.07 | Buc | i know i'd use * for day and month columns |
| 17:32.29 | dob1 | PattonPending, ok thanks |
| 17:32.31 | ke6isf | pzn: With that in mind, you can either chroot the system (you were told about this) or make sure that there's no write access elsewhere. chroot would be your best option, as farting around with chmod can cripple your system for what you want to do. |
| 17:32.37 | Buc | and * for day of the week as well |
| 17:32.55 | PattonPending | Buc: its in military time, so in the hours you type 00,06,12,18 |
| 17:33.30 | Buc | actually i'd like it to run every 3 hours. ahh so i have to put down the actual hours of the day |
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| 17:34.14 | PattonPending | Buc: we'll I'm sure some psych could actually script it, but let's not and say ya did, deal? |
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| 17:34.36 | PattonPending | Buc: just comma delimit your hours and you should be good |
| 17:34.57 | Buc | PattonPending question. what if the computer is off during the start time (say 06) and i turn the computer on at around 06:30 would cron run the job at 06:30? |
| 17:35.01 | Buc | s/job/script |
| 17:35.04 | PattonPending | Buc: if you have it screwed up crontab will (should) bark at you when you try to load it |
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| 17:35.21 | Buc | pattieja i'm doing crontab -u user -e |
| 17:35.21 | antgel | !tell Buc about anacron |
| 17:35.27 | antgel | hmm |
| 17:35.37 | Buc | hehe |
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| 17:36.18 | zbadone | I'm trying to boot into a new install of Debian Sarge on a dual CPU, scsi pentium HP Netserver, I've installed everything and now it wont boot properly |
| 17:36.28 | PattonPending | Buc: yeah, no it won't. if you need some task to be performed at the time nearest to whatever time that its able, look into anacron |
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| 17:36.42 | cahoot | Buc: wouldn't /3 do? |
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| 17:36.52 | harrydg | zbadone: does he find the disks? |
| 17:36.52 | zbadone | It seems to reboot after trying to install initrd-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 17:36.56 | PattonPending | Buc: or you could just lave the machine running |
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| 17:37.09 | zbadone | harrydg: How do I determine that? |
| 17:37.16 | pink1 | Hola - After I change things in /etc/security/access.conf - what do I have to restart to make the changes effective? |
| 17:37.19 | zbadone | I mean it installed everything |
| 17:37.19 | CptS | How do i remove alsa completly so that x app's won't look for it after installation? (i want to switch to oss.. ), |
| 17:37.21 | antgel | !anacron |
| 17:37.21 | dpkg | anacron is probably a cron-like program that runs jobs that cron would have skipped if the system was shutdown. |
| 17:37.23 | harrydg | ahm... fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 17:37.26 | harrydg | e.g. |
| 17:37.30 | pzn | ke6isf, thanks! |
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| 17:37.35 | Buc | cahoot is that an option for crontab? i didn't see that in the tutorial i read |
| 17:37.42 | ke6isf | pzn: No problem. |
| 17:37.44 | harrydg | ow, sry |
| 17:37.47 | Buc | cahoot only * and - |
| 17:37.47 | harrydg | i misread... sry |
| 17:37.49 | antgel | CptS: just remove the kernel modules. are you _sure you want to do that? |
| 17:37.52 | PattonPending | Buc: main thing about anacron is that it only really deals with things being run in terms of days |
| 17:37.53 | harrydg | ahm... lilo or grub? |
| 17:38.03 | zbadone | during the init installation I fdisk the scsi drives |
| 17:38.07 | greycat | CptS: whether a given application "looks for" /dev/dsp or /dev/whatever-the-hell-alsa-uses is up to that application. removing the driver from the kernel won't reconfigure xmms. |
| 17:38.10 | ke6isf | harrydg: yes. |
| 17:38.25 | zbadone | grub is not working correctly |
| 17:38.30 | cahoot | Buc: more like */3 |
| 17:38.32 | harrydg | zbadone: what does it do wrong? |
| 17:38.32 | Buc | PattonPending well i want my script to run every 3 hours everyday |
| 17:38.33 | CptS | antgel: yes.. i'm positive.. how do i remove the modules? (noob) |
| 17:38.39 | greycat | !blacklist |
| 17:38.39 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 17:38.40 | harrydg | where does it stop? |
| 17:38.41 | Buc | cahoot what manpage did you get that info from? |
| 17:38.45 | antgel | !tell cpts about modules |
| 17:38.48 | harrydg | what does it do/won't it do? |
| 17:38.54 | zbadone | harrydg: after attempting to load the initrd it reboots again |
| 17:38.56 | greycat | removing the alsa* packages would probably help too |
| 17:39.07 | harrydg | hmm... |
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| 17:39.11 | danieldg | I'm having some problems with GRUB - I just moved my debian installation to a 40GB hard drive (from a 4GB) and now GRUB takes about 1 minute to go from "GRUB loading stage1.5..." to the boot menu; before it would take about 1 second. Any ideas on what is causing this delay? |
| 17:39.17 | antgel | CptS: man rmmod, man modules |
| 17:39.19 | harrydg | so something's wrong with the initrd.. ;) |
| 17:39.33 | harrydg | hmm... hate to say it, but... typical |
| 17:39.43 | harrydg | i have my own monolythical kernel for all my servers |
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| 17:39.49 | Vindevogel | How can I run a script every time a user log into the system, and that is in his home directory ? |
| 17:39.53 | harrydg | after install, copy that kernel, boot that one |
| 17:39.56 | greycat | !wikifaq Vindevogel DotFiles |
| 17:39.57 | zbadone | I've heard that others have had problems with initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 17:39.57 | dpkg | Vindevogel: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:40.01 | harrydg | to avoid the initrd crap :( |
| 17:40.10 | the13th | Vindevogel: > using .bashrc in his home-dir |
| 17:40.12 | cahoot | Buc: man 5 crontab |
| 17:40.23 | greycat | !wikifaq the13th DotFiles |
| 17:40.23 | zbadone | how could I reinstall another kernel image and initrd without having to go through the installation again? |
| 17:40.24 | antgel | Vindevogel: have a look in /etc/login.defs |
| 17:40.24 | dpkg | the13th: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 17:40.36 | harrydg | knowing the debian kernel, it's impossible to boot the system without initrd with a std debian kernel |
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| 17:40.49 | greycat | harrydg: right. |
| 17:40.53 | CptS | antgel: i know how to remove modules (i think) but i donno the name of the module to be removed.... |
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| 17:40.59 | harrydg | so, the only thing i can say is... try to find out where it goes wrong |
| 17:41.02 | priest | zbadone::: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 17:41.04 | Vindevogel | the13th: what happens if he/she does the login through KDM ? |
| 17:41.05 | Buc | cahoot k |
| 17:41.07 | greycat | CptS: anything with snd-* or snd_* on the front. |
| 17:41.11 | PattonPending | cahoot: thanks for covering, answering this stuff would be easier if I were not on Doze right now *gorch* |
| 17:41.23 | the13th | Vindevogel: > does he boot into kde? |
| 17:41.24 | antgel | Vindevogel: more specifically, FAKE_SHELL (or what the13th said, don't know exactly what you want) |
| 17:41.33 | greycat | and no, they *can't* just fucking leave the name unchanged. OK? they're LINUX people. gratuitous change is what they DO. |
| 17:41.34 | harrydg | greycat: that's a pretty stupid way for a server |
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| 17:41.44 | harrydg | you want a boot sequence that's rockstable! |
| 17:41.46 | the13th | then you may use the .Autostart folder for example - if its an x app |
| 17:41.53 | CptS | greycat: i unload them using rmmod but they keep coming back. |
| 17:41.54 | antgel | CptS: read the alsa documentation. that's what i'd do. hint: alsa modules tend to start with snd |
| 17:41.57 | zbadone | harrydg: could I some how load a initrd file from a floppy? |
| 17:41.59 | greycat | harrydg: *you* help the newbies configure their kernels, then. I reguse. |
| 17:42.01 | greycat | refuse* |
| 17:42.03 | Vindevogel | the13th: yes |
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| 17:42.13 | harrydg | zbadone: yeah... that's possible |
| 17:42.15 | harrydg | in grub |
| 17:42.18 | greycat | harrydg: "Where's _____ in menuconfig!!?!?!??! I CANT FIND IT!!!!!" |
| 17:42.21 | zbadone | by modifying the grub loader? |
| 17:42.24 | harrydg | but... i haven't done that |
| 17:42.29 | samuel | hello all... i used to know C programming pack in uni, but ive forgotten it almost completelly, can someone recommend a good C tutorial online please? i dont know if its relevant but im using linux. i have found quite a few, but i dont know if any one is better than the rest. |
| 17:42.30 | CptS | antgel: i don't want to just remove the modules i want to completly remove alsa from the kernel. |
| 17:42.30 | harrydg | greycat: ???? |
| 17:42.34 | Vindevogel | antgel: change the language of firefox based upon the user (the language of the dialogs and menu) |
| 17:42.41 | harrydg | i have no grub to test it myself |
| 17:42.47 | greycat | harrydg: that's what we got TWENTY TIMES A DAY before we started telling them to fuck off and use debian kernels. |
| 17:42.49 | harrydg | this system uses aboot ;) |
| 17:43.06 | zbadone | harrydg: I will test it myself, since I dont want to do the instalation yet again for a third time |
| 17:43.08 | harrydg | greycat: ah |
| 17:43.15 | antgel | CptS: then recompile. i suggest you remove the modules and find a way to stop them loading on demand. |
| 17:43.17 | harrydg | you can just use knoppix or so |
| 17:43.18 | Buc | cahoot i created a job to test and the entry is: 41 12 * * * /script.pl |
| 17:43.20 | harrydg | knoppix 2 |
| 17:43.25 | antgel | CptS: it's a little easier that way. |
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| 17:43.32 | harrydg | and then you have your shell, where you can chroot |
| 17:43.32 | Buc | cahoot 12:41 came and went and it didn't run. why is this? |
| 17:43.34 | greycat | harrydg: not to mention all the "I built my custom kernel and now it says can't mount root file system!!!!" |
| 17:43.38 | antgel | Vindevogel: are you just setting an environment variable? |
| 17:43.47 | harrydg | greycat: you've got a point |
| 17:43.52 | greycat | !wikifaq antgel DotFiles |
| 17:43.53 | dpkg | antgel: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:44.03 | harrydg | but still... the default debian kernels kinda sucks |
| 17:44.07 | CptS | antgel: where can i gen a hint on stopping them from reload? |
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| 17:44.12 | greycat | harrydg: they're better than woody's were. |
| 17:44.14 | harrydg | greycat: now you have these problems: my system just won't boot |
| 17:44.18 | antgel | greycat: and? |
| 17:44.18 | harrydg | because of a crappy initrd |
| 17:44.18 | zbadone | greycat: Are you talking about me? by the way, Its not a custom kernel |
| 17:44.19 | PattonPending | Buc: you do have the numbers tab-delimited, right? |
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| 17:44.36 | Vindevogel | no, i found out that the language of firefox is set by a directory called chrome. I'll have a chrome-en and a chrome-nl, and a static link called chrome to either one of them based upon the user login |
| 17:44.38 | greycat | zbadone: I'm talking to harrydg about why we don't recommend that newbies build their own kernels |
| 17:44.41 | harrydg | greycat: an atomic bomb is better than a H2 bomb, but that doesn't make it good ;) |
| 17:44.44 | antgel | CptS: google. i seem to remember a nice trick with /bin/false, and perhaps /etc/modules.conf |
| 17:44.56 | CptS | antgel: thanks |
| 17:45.04 | [AWAY]Mega[Work] | Somebody knows where meeting reference on status 254 in cups? |
| 17:45.17 | greycat | CptS: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 17:45.19 | the13th | Vindevogel: > uhm - the firefox settings are saved per user iirc |
| 17:45.24 | greycat | IT'S ALREADY BEEN SPOKEN IN THE CHANNEL! |
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| 17:45.27 | greycat | YOU MISSED IT! |
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| 17:45.35 | harrydg | hehe |
| 17:45.35 | greycat | back when we fucking STARTED.... |
| 17:45.37 | greycat | sheesh. |
| 17:45.46 | harrydg | greycat: life is a bitch, isn't it :) |
| 17:45.50 | zbadone | greycat: ok, becuz not everyone here is a newbe, so dont assume everyone is a moron for asking a question. :D |
| 17:45.57 | Vindevogel | the13th: no, they are not, not for the menu and the dialogues. They are in the /usr/lib/firefox/chrome |
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| 17:46.18 | turtle4 | anyone installed glibc >= 2.2.3 on debian? |
| 17:46.21 | CptS | greycat: THANK YOU! i think it's just what i needed. |
| 17:46.22 | zbadone | must of missed it |
| 17:46.42 | antgel | zbadone: to be fair, a lot of people don't do any research whatsoever before asking, and it's painful, not to mention unfair |
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| 17:47.18 | zbadone | antgel, I have done my research and have only come here when I came up to a brick wall with what to do |
| 17:47.35 | Buc | cahoot you still there? |
| 17:47.40 | the13th | antgel: > and some do reasearch and don't find an answer - like me... lirc still doesnt run ;) |
| 17:47.46 | antgel | Vindevogel: but each user has his own chrome directory. can the settings not be set there? |
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| 17:47.56 | cahoot | Buc: yes but no cron expert |
| 17:48.07 | pink1 | Anyone able to tell me what to restart to make changes in /etc/security/access.conf kick-in? |
| 17:48.11 | antgel | zbadone: i don't know what your problem is but my comment still stands |
| 17:48.18 | zbadone | that why I said I've heard of others having similiar prob with vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686 and initrd... |
| 17:48.23 | antgel | pink1: prolly just log out/in |
| 17:48.31 | Buc | cahoot hehe. any idea why it didn't run? i created it by doing crontab -e -l user |
| 17:48.41 | antgel | Buc: check the logs? |
| 17:48.42 | harrydg | zbadone: only thing to do is just boot in rescue mode |
| 17:48.44 | greycat | turtle4: only a total lunatic would compile glibc from upstream sources and then install it on a debian box. |
| 17:48.45 | harrydg | chroot to the install |
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| 17:48.55 | harrydg | gunzip + mount the initrd |
| 17:48.56 | harrydg | and fix it |
| 17:48.56 | greycat | turtle4: if you want a glibc newer than 2.2, install sarge. |
| 17:49.05 | cahoot | Buc: the script being executable? |
| 17:49.05 | turtle4 | greycat : oh yeah? ao you did it then? ;o) |
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| 17:49.12 | zbadone | harrydg: this is a new build, so booting into resuce mood has the same kernel and inird files |
| 17:49.14 | harrydg | anywya... shower and gone now ;0 |
| 17:49.17 | Vindevogel | antgel: are you sure that each user has his own chrome dir ? |
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| 17:49.20 | PattonPending | Buc: yeah, chmod +x on the script... right? |
| 17:49.20 | greycat | !info libc6 sarge |
| 17:49.24 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 17:49.24 | turtle4 | greycat : I've got debian64 but it comes with 2.3.2 only and not 2.3.3 |
| 17:49.25 | pink1 | antgel: ta |
| 17:49.25 | stew | turtle4: anyone who installed debian in the last 3 years or so should be running glibc > 2.2.3 |
| 17:49.27 | harrydg | zbadone: don't count on it (i guess) |
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| 17:49.34 | harrydg | well... i mean. boot from cd |
| 17:49.35 | greycat | 13:46 turtle4> anyone installed glibc >= 2.2.3 on debian? |
| 17:49.40 | greycat | sarge is >= 2.2.3 |
| 17:49.40 | harrydg | knoppix |
| 17:49.46 | Buc | PattonPending yea i can run the script at shell by doing ./script |
| 17:49.48 | lu7dfv | Hello all, greetings from Argentina |
| 17:49.48 | harrydg | sarge = 3.1 |
| 17:49.51 | Buc | so it is executable |
| 17:49.54 | greycat | harrydg: of GNU libc. |
| 17:49.55 | turtle4 | ooops I mean't 2.3.2 |
| 17:49.58 | harrydg | ah |
| 17:49.58 | the13th | waaah - I hate knoppix |
| 17:49.59 | zbadone | anyone can say RTFM and then there will be no need for this type of exchange, but I understand you point opf some being lazy |
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| 17:50.00 | turtle4 | anyone with > 2.3.2 |
| 17:50.03 | greycat | turtle4: unstable has a newer one. |
| 17:50.04 | antgel | Vindevogel: why don't you have a look? |
| 17:50.06 | greycat | !info libc6 sid |
| 17:50.09 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4811 kB, Installed size: 16336 kB |
| 17:50.20 | Buc | antgel /var/log/messages shows nothing about cron or the job |
| 17:50.43 | lu7dfv | When I do apt-cache search bind... There are two, bind and bind9... Which is the preferred version to set up a nameserver? |
| 17:50.47 | the13th | zbadone: when there are questions that aren't discussed over and over again because of the laziness of users then you will get an answer easily |
| 17:50.52 | PattonPending | Buc: ok, so the syntax is "minutes<tab>hours,in,military<tab>*<tab>*<tab>*<tab>(absolute_path_to_script)" |
| 17:50.56 | cahoot | Buc: try giving the full path |
| 17:50.58 | greycat | lu7dfv: whichever you want |
| 17:50.59 | harrydg | how do i check the glibc version? |
| 17:51.08 | greycat | harrydg: dpkg -l | grep libc6 |
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| 17:51.11 | antgel | Buc: syslog? |
| 17:51.12 | Buc | PattonPending ahh i did space. let me redo the entry |
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| 17:51.14 | turtle4 | greycat : ok will try that, maybe the problem is somewhere else then |
| 17:51.15 | zbadone | so my valid question go unanswered |
| 17:51.17 | lu7dfv | greycat: why the difference then? |
| 17:51.17 | Buc | cahoot i give full path |
| 17:51.23 | greycat | lu7dfv: one's newer. |
| 17:51.29 | turtle4 | greycat : an application shouldn't be too picky about 2.3.3 and 2.3.2 |
| 17:51.30 | harrydg | damn... i knew i was trying to make it too hard :) |
| 17:51.34 | the13th | the bind9 is newer |
| 17:51.36 | greycat | turtle4: *shrug* |
| 17:51.37 | the13th | bind is bind8 |
| 17:51.44 | antgel | zbadone: what happened? something to do with building your kernel? |
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| 17:51.55 | PattonPending | *cough* cronTAB ;-) |
| 17:52.00 | harrydg | 2.3.5-3 her |
| 17:52.01 | harrydg | e |
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| 17:52.05 | greycat | harrydg: that's sid. |
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| 17:52.09 | harrydg | yup |
| 17:52.11 | harrydg | and alpha :) |
| 17:52.13 | zbadone | antgel: I didnt build any kernel for this new build, the kernel that was supplied by the debain install |
| 17:52.15 | the13th | 2.3 ? thats a dev kernel |
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| 17:52.20 | greycat | the13th: LIBC. |
| 17:52.29 | antgel | zbadone: what's the problem |
| 17:52.33 | lu7dfv | the13th: I noticed that... But I guess that there must be a important difference between the two, I mean a reason to keep both 8 and 9... |
| 17:52.33 | zbadone | I've built many kernel before |
| 17:52.44 | Vindevogel | antgel: there is one in .mozilla/firefox/rzjefks8.default |
| 17:52.45 | the13th | either use 2.2 oder 2.4 - but not a dev kernel |
| 17:52.48 | greycat | lu7dfv: incompatible configurations |
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| 17:52.55 | antgel | Vindevogel: perhaps that is of use? |
| 17:52.56 | greycat | lu7dfv: some people never migrated from 8 to 9 |
| 17:53.07 | Vindevogel | antgel: don't know where that comes from (the rzjefk8.default) |
| 17:53.10 | greycat | some people stopped using BIND altogether ;-) |
| 17:53.10 | lu7dfv | greycat: Ah, I see... |
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| 17:53.17 | lu7dfv | greycat: :-) |
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| 17:53.20 | zbadone | antgel, I did a new install of Sarge, using kerenl-2.6.8-2-686 and initrd, during the boot process the machine reboots aftrer trying to load the initrd |
| 17:53.26 | Vindevogel | antgel: it's certainly not the complete directory |
| 17:53.30 | Buc | PattonPending hehe i've made the change and i'm tail -f /var/log/syslog now |
| 17:53.33 | the13th | lu7dfv: > if you allready using a bind8 server it makes more sense to use the bind package, if you want to start a new dns server bind9 would be your choice |
| 17:53.35 | zbadone | its ona scsi system |
| 17:53.37 | greycat | $ ssh pegasus ls /service |
| 17:53.37 | greycat | axfrdns |
| 17:53.37 | greycat | dnscache |
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| 17:53.42 | greycat | ... ;-) |
| 17:53.51 | Buc | antgel i'm monitoring syslog now waiting for it to run |
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| 17:54.07 | Echel0n | i have a question, is there a way to limit the amount of background processes a user is able to run in debian |
| 17:54.14 | Vindevogel | anyways, I need to install two chrome dirs, i guess |
| 17:54.14 | zbadone | I believe its the same kenrel image used to install Sarge |
| 17:54.16 | greycat | Echel0n: help ulimit |
| 17:54.17 | mbuf | hi, i have installed kernel image, headers, and in grub using "make-kpkg binary-arch; make-kpkg modules_image; dpkg -i kernel-headers-2.x.x.x.deb kernel-image-2.x.x.x.deb" |
| 17:54.20 | antgel | Buc: i'm not 100% sure that cron logs anywhere, but i'm guessing syslog |
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| 17:54.24 | mbuf | how do i create initrd with make-kpkg ? |
| 17:54.31 | antgel | Vindevogel: it's a random profile name |
| 17:54.33 | greycat | Echel0n: see also /etc/pam.d/* and the /etc/{security,default}/*limit* files, wherever they live these days. |
| 17:54.37 | PattonPending | Buc: yeah I was about to echo antgel |
| 17:54.40 | greycat | mbuf: man make-kpkg |
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| 17:54.58 | Echel0n | thanks |
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| 17:55.01 | lu7dfv | the13th: Oh, thanks... That´s the case, I have to configure a dns server for the first time in my life |
| 17:55.09 | lu7dfv | the13th, greycat: Thanks a lot |
| 17:55.12 | greycat | lu7dfv: in that case, go with the newest one. |
| 17:55.19 | greycat | it'll go obsolete slower that way |
| 17:55.23 | Vindevogel | antgel: so i can't use it ... |
| 17:55.30 | yang | which is a good tool to measure disk speed? |
| 17:55.35 | PattonPending | Buc: I've found it better to look for physical evidence, like files/folders/text that is supposted to be created destroyed. Typically when I'm testing a script I have it delete an empty test directory on execution as a sanity check |
| 17:55.48 | antgel | Vindevogel: is the setting not something that the user can configure? |
| 17:55.48 | zbadone | ta ta... |
| 17:55.50 | absence | is it possible to download just the config file for debian's kernels somewhere, or do i have to download the kernel binaries, and delete them afterwards? |
| 17:56.06 | greycat | absence: why do you want it? |
| 17:56.18 | the13th | abscene> why do you would like to do that? |
| 17:56.18 | greycat | !config-2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 17:56.18 | dpkg | methinks config-2.4.18-bf2.4 is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/config-2.4.18-bf2.4, or http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/bf2.4/kernel-config |
| 17:56.19 | the13th | ... |
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| 17:56.33 | Echel0n | greycat, but is there a way to hold it specific to background processes, as opposed to limiting all processes? |
| 17:56.38 | greycat | Echel0n: no. |
| 17:56.45 | antgel | Echel0n: no difference to kernel |
| 17:56.49 | the13th | it just doesn't make sense |
| 17:56.51 | Vindevogel | antgel: no, that is the problem. The user can set the locale for the content of the page, but the language of the app itself is based upon that chrome directory, as i found out by installing both versions and messing around with ln -sf .... |
| 17:57.20 | antgel | Vindevogel: so it's a separate download for the other language? |
| 17:57.22 | karsten | Anyone know of a way to mount an image file that has partitions within it? This is a qemu image file.... |
| 17:57.40 | absence | greycat, the13th, i want to compile my own kernel with some patches, and use debian's config |
| 17:58.01 | Vindevogel | antgel: Yes, and I first installed the language extensions, but that is for the page content. I had to install FF twice. |
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| 17:58.19 | lu7dfv | greycat: I know this is not #dns, but because of the differences between bind 8 and bind 9 is that 'host' on some linux distros return an error? |
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| 17:58.28 | greycat | absence: debian's config files may not work with upstream kernel sources |
| 17:58.28 | antgel | absence: better off compiling debian source or if patches won't apply, just make your own config |
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| 17:58.31 | Buc | ok i've figured out why the script runs but doesn't give me the results i'm after |
| 17:58.43 | greycat | lu7dfv: what error? |
| 17:58.49 | absence | greycat, i'm not using upstream, i'm using debian's source |
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| 17:58.55 | antgel | Vindevogel: are you installing debian packages here? |
| 17:58.59 | PattonPending | Buc: ok so the script is executing with cron now, though? |
| 17:59.05 | greycat | lu7dfv: or are you asking "Is there any incompatibility?" No. DNS is a *standard*. |
| 17:59.07 | absence | antgel, i'm using debian's sources, but i want the config file as well |
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| 17:59.15 | Buc | i have a folder that user foo created with script and other files inside that the script needs. when i execute the script i get permission denied |
| 17:59.25 | Buc | mysql needs permission to write to the dir |
| 17:59.26 | Vindevogel | antgel: first one was debian package indeed, with apt-get. Second one was not, direct download from OO. |
| 17:59.31 | greycat | lu7dfv: my djbdns DNS servers can answer queries from your Linux host(1) commands, no sweat. |
| 17:59.33 | Buc | PattonPending yea cron runs the script |
| 17:59.40 | the13th | Buc> either chown or chmod the dir |
| 17:59.41 | greycat | s/servers/server/ |
| 17:59.43 | lu7dfv | greycat: I remember host binary giving some error, but...well... nevermind |
| 17:59.43 | PattonPending | Buc: great |
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| 18:00.03 | the13th | so that the user mysql can write to the dir |
| 18:00.13 | antgel | Vindevogel: once you get outside debian, you're on your own. what language did you want to install? |
| 18:00.18 | yang | Is there a company that sells debian t-shirts and ships to europe? |
| 18:00.21 | Vindevogel | dutch |
| 18:00.23 | Buc | the13th how can i chown the dir for two users? |
| 18:00.31 | Buc | the13th do mysql:user ? |
| 18:00.37 | antgel | Vindevogel: why not install mozilla-firefox-locale-nl-nl? |
| 18:00.40 | fatal_ | lu7dfv/greycat: dig +trace ... doesn't work against a djbdns server for some reason... |
| 18:01.00 | the13th | if you want to have to users to be able to write to a dir you may add them both to one group |
| 18:01.03 | Vindevogel | antgel: because that does not help ! It does not change the language of the menu and dialogs. |
| 18:01.20 | the13th | and chmod it that way, that the group can rw the dir |
| 18:01.20 | greycat | fatal_: you're probably trying to pass recursive queries to a DNS server instead of a recursive resolver |
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| 18:01.40 | greycat | fatal_: BIND is both a server and a resolver by default; djbdns separates those two functions into separate programs |
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| 18:02.25 | the13th | or you may chmod it to 777 so everyone can read & write & execute - but thats a bigger sec-risk then just adding the two users to one group |
| 18:02.29 | fatal_ | greycat: it's my isps recurser that fucks up dig +trace... I've heard it's got something to do with djbdns... never investigated it further.. try it yourself some time. |
| 18:02.40 | greycat | fatal_: they probably screwed up. |
| 18:02.48 | greycat | either that or I don't know what dig +trace does |
| 18:03.04 | antgel | Vindevogel: you _sure_? it installs chrome files. perhaps it needs to be configured? |
| 18:03.14 | greycat | hmm. |
| 18:03.29 | Vindevogel | antgel: welll, no. But I can't find out |
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| 18:03.33 | Vindevogel | antgel: welll, no. But I can't find out |
| 18:03.42 | antgel | Vindevogel: i'm not willing to restart firefox to find out, but according to apt-cache show, it does what you want. |
| 18:03.43 | Vindevogel | antgel: welll, no. Not totally. |
| 18:03.48 | Buc | the13th so you suggest adding mysql to users group or vice versa. |
| 18:03.55 | absence | is debian's kernel config only included with the binaries, or can they be downloaded separately somewhere? |
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| 18:04.12 | the13th | Buc> yes - and then chown the file to the group you chose |
| 18:04.25 | fatal_ | greycat: first it on google for "dig +trace djbdns" .. seems like it's the default configuration that messes with dig. |
| 18:04.30 | fatal_ | http://ontosys.com/phiki/?DigTraceFailsViaDnsCache |
| 18:04.33 | dondelelcaro | absence: it's specific to the binary package; some people have them available elsewhere, but there's really little reason why you'd want it. |
| 18:04.40 | the13th | but I'd not advise to use such a config on a production server |
| 18:04.44 | antgel | Vindevogel: if you're not sure, and the package obviously does what you want, why am i even spending time on this? :) |
| 18:04.45 | antgel | night all |
| 18:04.45 | Vindevogel | the locale is there, but it is greyed out when i log in with admin (the user besides root) |
| 18:04.51 | greycat | fatal_: hmm, interesting. when I try it on a debian box here that's behind BIND resolvers, it works. when I try it *on* the openbsd box that runs djbdns, it works. when I try it on the Debian box at home that's inside the djbdns/openbsd box's LAN, it times out. Don't know why yet. |
| 18:04.56 | Buc | the13th this is a production server so what should i do ? |
| 18:05.03 | Buc | add the user to the mysql group? |
| 18:05.07 | danieldg | anyone know what could cause a 60-second delay from the end of BIOS to loading the grub menu/command line? |
| 18:05.12 | Vindevogel | antgel: well. I thought it should do that, but it does not |
| 18:05.17 | the13th | nope - mysql to users |
| 18:05.25 | Vindevogel | that's why i went to #firefox |
| 18:05.29 | absence | dondelelcaro, isn't wanting to make a kernel exactly like the debian one, except with an additional patch, a good reason? |
| 18:05.32 | fatal_ | greycat: if you find energy to actually debug this, feel free to tell me how/why it works like it does.. ;) |
| 18:05.35 | Vindevogel | they said two downloads |
| 18:05.37 | the13th | because when you add the user to the mysql group he will also have access to files used by mysql |
| 18:05.42 | greycat | fatal_: not likely. I just dabble in DNS. |
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| 18:06.16 | dondelelcaro | absence: generally not, because distribution kernels are necessarily different from everything else. Regardless, you can build the kernel using the source that built the actual binary package. |
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| 18:06.29 | Vindevogel | <poningru> Vindevogel: you have to reinstall firefox using the dutch locale |
| 18:06.29 | Vindevogel | <poningru> well you can just add that locale into chrome |
| 18:06.29 | Vindevogel | <poningru> but not recommended |
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| 18:06.40 | fatal_ | lazy me followed the advise on the page (does all +trace lookups via another (bind) resolver.) :P |
| 18:07.09 | absence | dondelelcaro, i suppose so, is it very different from building using make-kpkg? |
| 18:07.17 | Buc | the13th do i just edit the /etc/groups file to do this? |
| 18:07.39 | dondelelcaro | absence: yes, because it's a real debian package; make-kpkg has to build a real debian package. |
| 18:08.10 | the13th | it's a long time ago I did this by hand - but I think yes |
| 18:08.18 | the13th | anyone other thoughts? |
| 18:08.39 | absence | dondelelcaro, in other words, there's no easy way to get a debian kernel with an extra patch? |
| 18:08.44 | Vindevogel | antgel: BTW: I installed the dutch locale, and firefox never came up in Dutch. Do you think it's a bug in Sarge or indeed only for the content of the pages |
| 18:08.54 | turtle4 | hmm notice there is no rdev command now |
| 18:09.01 | turtle4 | moved into knl!? |
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| 18:09.36 | greycat | !find bin/rdev sarge |
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| 18:09.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/rdev' (1): (/usr/sbin/rdev) in base/util-linux. |
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| 18:10.00 | turtle4 | not on this machine, it's in /usr/sbin/knl |
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| 18:10.43 | greycat | !find bin/rdev sid |
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| 18:10.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/rdev' (1): (/usr/sbin/rdev) in base/util-linux. |
| 18:10.58 | RichiH | tarzeau: it seems you don't do any bub-n-brus any more? |
| 18:10.58 | greycat | dunno what machine YOU have. |
| 18:11.12 | ke6isf | I should leave early. Get some crappy coffee from 7-11 to jumpstart my ass. |
| 18:11.24 | tarzeau | RichiH: it's about two months since i last did |
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| 18:11.34 | RichiH | ke6isf: yah, hot coffee in your ass usually makes you jump.. |
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| 18:11.38 | RichiH | tarzeau: ah, k |
| 18:11.38 | tarzeau | RichiH: strange, i haven't played ANY games so long |
| 18:11.45 | tarzeau | RichiH: except a bit of dopewars |
| 18:11.54 | RichiH | tarzeau: i might have more time soon, that's why i joined there, again |
| 18:11.59 | tarzeau | RichiH: but have you tried xrick, www.mtp-target.org or nethack? |
| 18:12.04 | ke6isf | RichiH: I'm not sure I want to put it in my ass. Eddie Murphy's work aside. |
| 18:12.06 | RichiH | nethack, sure |
| 18:12.21 | RichiH | but i never got to a level where i would actually survive ;) |
| 18:12.21 | tarzeau | RichiH: i'm definitely not having time anymore (enjoying the last few sommerly days) |
| 18:12.37 | tarzeau | RichiH: which dungeon level did you get to? |
| 18:12.42 | RichiH | 3 |
| 18:12.50 | RichiH | once, that is |
| 18:12.53 | tarzeau | RichiH: ouch, your karma just got below 0 |
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| 18:13.07 | tarzeau | RichiH: sure isn't a type and you meant 39? |
| 18:13.21 | tarzeau | typo |
| 18:13.24 | RichiH | tarzeau: pft, i will just get a video of greycat playing nh and send it to you as me doing it ;) |
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| 18:13.42 | tarzeau | RichiH: he died on astral plane, once ;) |
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| 18:14.22 | coag_ | SNDDMA_Shutdown >> recursive shutdown >> Error: Couldn't load pics/colormap.pcx I gt that when trying to run quake2 how would i fix that? |
| 18:14.41 | tarzeau | RichiH: you starve or die from a monster? |
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| 18:15.04 | tarzeau | RichiH: try playing a fighter class? valk or so |
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| 18:15.37 | schieber | hi ppl |
| 18:15.42 | RichiH | tarzeau: i starved once. else, i dies |
| 18:15.54 | RichiH | died*. as in got killed |
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| 18:17.31 | jaek | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D |
| 18:17.39 | jaek | where can i get more info on how to fix that? |
| 18:17.47 | dondelelcaro | absence: sure, the easy way is to get the .orig.tar.gz, the .dsc, the diff.gz, unpack, apply the patch, rebuild; I'm telling you that you're better off building a custom kernel instead. |
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| 18:20.04 | tarzeau | RichiH: don't go deep too fast, explore whole dungeon, get better weapon and armor |
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| 18:20.15 | tarzeau | RichiH: want some realtime lessons? |
| 18:20.34 | lu7dfv | tarzeau: Sorry for my curiosity... What game is the one you´re talking about? |
| 18:20.54 | quiet | anyone in here seen Revolution OS ?? |
| 18:21.01 | dondelelcaro | lu7dfv: nethack, most likely |
| 18:21.18 | lu7dfv | dondelelcaro: Ah |
| 18:21.35 | dondelelcaro | d@ L L L |
| 18:21.36 | lu7dfv | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 18:21.41 | Echel0n | jaek, that is a trivial error. It should still be able to continue |
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| 18:24.24 | Vindevogel | Does anybody have more than one locale installed on firefox and is it changing the menus and dialogs ? |
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| 18:26.29 | Vindevogel | Is anybody alive here ?? |
| 18:26.35 | RichiH | nope |
| 18:26.37 | RichiH | all dead |
| 18:26.47 | Vindevogel | jees, irc sux |
| 18:27.12 | Vindevogel | if slackware would be more up to date, i sure would stick with that ! |
| 18:27.12 | dondelelcaro | Vindevogel: you can have multiple locales built, but only one per program at a time. |
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| 18:28.05 | greycat | how does one install locales "on" firefox, pray tell? |
| 18:28.07 | streuner | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 18:32.09 | rlvisben | ola |
| 18:32.16 | rlvisben | eeehhh |
| 18:32.18 | rlvisben | eh |
| 18:32.18 | rlvisben | he |
| 18:32.18 | rlvisben | h |
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| 18:32.41 | RichiH | .. |
| 18:32.43 | ArtistAgent | saw that one coming |
| 18:32.48 | ArtistAgent | j/k |
| 18:32.52 | streuner | .! |
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| 18:33.27 | tanuki | Is there an installer that uses the 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:33.32 | tanuki | s/the/a/g |
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| 18:33.47 | SimonRaven | yes, the installer |
| 18:33.47 | streuner | tanuki: d-i uses both 2.4 or 2.6 kernel |
| 18:33.50 | boogie | tanuki: do linux26 at the first prompt. |
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| 18:34.11 | tanuki | boogie: ah, thanks :-) |
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| 18:34.27 | tanuki | I have a 160GB IDE drive and the default installer only sees 137.4GB of it |
| 18:34.33 | tanuki | (Knoppix saw the whole thing.) |
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| 18:34.43 | coag_ | tanuki, wierd |
| 18:34.46 | MrBallZ | hi |
| 18:34.55 | coag_ | tanuki, windows did that to me but debian saw mine as 160 |
| 18:35.27 | MrBallZ | any recomendations on a utility or program, like norton ghost , but of course for linux, I need to clone a laptop hdd wich i can mount on a usb enclosure ... |
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| 18:36.08 | Coag | uhh doesnt dd do that? |
| 18:36.31 | MrBallZ | mmm, i think so, but im looking for more options or recomendations ... |
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| 18:38.16 | rob_lt | !test |
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| 18:38.25 | dpkg | No, rob_lt, you're not online any more. |
| 18:38.35 | streuner | haha |
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| 18:39.31 | dondelelcaro | streuner: 24 hours a day, same as everyone else... |
| 18:39.50 | RichiH | MrBallZ: dd all the way |
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| 18:40.02 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: not if you fall into a coma each day |
| 18:40.06 | turtle4 | can you use an install disk with debian for recovery? |
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| 18:40.16 | tanuki | ACK |
| 18:40.23 | rob_lt | Anyone know a link to some info on ppp or usb? For example, is it possible to connect two laptops with a simple usb cable and ssh or copy files between them? |
| 18:40.29 | tanuki | even with the 2.6.x kernel it still won't see the whole drive |
| 18:40.29 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: you still have them, you're just wasting them ;-) |
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| 18:40.33 | rob_lt | s/ppp or usb/ppp over usb |
| 18:41.31 | Angel-SL | hey |
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| 18:41.41 | Angel-SL | i have trouble aptget ncurses |
| 18:42.00 | Angel-SL | !paste |
| 18:42.00 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 18:42.06 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: ok, what if you have a stroke and are braindead, then? :) |
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| 18:42.18 | paster | "Angel-SL" at 202.156.2.202 pasted "Password: k9-net:/home/angelsl" (19 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/503 |
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| 18:42.32 | tungsten | is a real stretch to run a computer from a tv out video on a flat screen display you would find in a mini-van? |
| 18:42.45 | dancing-ninja | hi folks |
| 18:43.07 | sval | hello all ! i've some problem with gaim ( & probably amsn ) under debian & Ubuntu, does someone have same problems ? |
| 18:43.15 | tungsten | is it a real stretch to run a computer from a tv out video on a flat screen display you would find in a mini-van? |
| 18:43.25 | r3v | sval: what problem? |
| 18:43.29 | lonewolff | tungsten: im sure everyone saw your message the first time |
| 18:43.31 | Angel-SL | i have trouble aptget ncurses |
| 18:43.35 | Angel-SL | !!! |
| 18:43.36 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 18:43.36 | streuner | sval: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 18:43.49 | jnymo | hi |
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| 18:44.01 | sval | gaim doesn't resolve messenger.hotmail.com |
| 18:44.04 | dancing-ninja | is this developer channel ? |
| 18:44.06 | tungsten | sorry left out the verb it didn't make sense |
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| 18:44.14 | streuner | dancing-ninja: no |
| 18:44.25 | sval | the same under Ubuntu & Debian since this morning ( Europe ) |
| 18:44.27 | streuner | dancing-ninja: why? |
| 18:44.31 | Coag | this is wierd vmware has two processes running its not open, but it has control of my cdrom which is currently locked down tighter then well fot knox |
| 18:44.41 | dancing-ninja | i ma making a new web based installedr for debian |
| 18:44.45 | lonewolff | sval: can you ping messenget.hostmail.com? it may be a dns issue |
| 18:44.49 | sval | streuner: 2.3.2 on Ubuntu |
| 18:45.04 | streuner | sval: and why do you ask this here? |
| 18:45.06 | turtle4 | can you reinstall grub from the debian install cd? |
| 18:45.08 | lonewolff | tungsten: sorry, i didnt notice the missing word, my appologies |
| 18:45.18 | r3v | sval: mine is online and working fine |
| 18:45.22 | sval | streuner: 2.3.2 debian |
| 18:45.24 | dancing-ninja | i am developing a new debian installer thats web based |
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| 18:46.04 | rob_lt | dancing-ninja, this isn't exactly a developer channel per say |
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| 18:46.19 | rob_lt | dancing-ninja, but if you have a question, just go ahead and ask |
| 18:46.20 | sval | lonewolff: no, i can't but i don't have any problem with other network applications |
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| 18:46.29 | Coag | this is wierd vmware has two processes running its not open, but it has control of my cdrom which is currently locked down tighter then well fot knox |
| 18:46.30 | Gujiz | What's newest version of debian sarge kernel? |
| 18:46.35 | r3v | rob_lt: do you really need ppp over usb? (sorry i'm slow) |
| 18:46.39 | Ungy | hmm how do I remount all remote servers connected via fstab when Ihad to do a /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 18:46.44 | dancing-ninja | rob_lt: can pl tell dev channel |
| 18:46.56 | rob_lt | r3v, no I don't, I just thought it was a neat concept... wanted to see if I could get it working. |
| 18:46.56 | dancing-ninja | rob_lt: can pl tell me the name of dev channel |
| 18:47.00 | streuner | dancing-ninja: #debian-devel is the developer channel for debian, for installer questions (development) is #debian-boot the right place. |
| 18:47.02 | rob_lt | dancing-ninja, I don't know |
| 18:47.08 | sval | streuner: i ask it her because i don't have this problem on Suse, just Debian & Ubuntu since this morning |
| 18:47.10 | dancing-ninja | oks |
| 18:47.17 | Gixbit | can somebody tell me if debian supports an ATI Radeon 9800 pro? |
| 18:47.18 | r3v | rob_lt: there is Multi-purpose USB net framework module you could use to connect two computer two each other directly with usb cable |
| 18:47.29 | streuner | Gixbit: sure |
| 18:47.36 | streuner | Gixbit: /msg dpkg ati |
| 18:47.37 | rob_lt | r3v, ok, I'll try googling a bit for that. |
| 18:47.41 | rob_lt | r3v, thanks |
| 18:47.47 | Angel-SL | i have trouble aptget ncurses |
| 18:47.49 | r3v | rob_lt: np |
| 18:48.02 | streuner | Angel-SL: for what for? |
| 18:48.09 | Coag | anyone with ideas on my problem? |
| 18:48.12 | streuner | Angel-SL: What are you trying to do? |
| 18:48.12 | Angel-SL | psyBNC |
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| 18:48.29 | Angel-SL | paster "Angel-SL" at 202.156.2.202 pasted "Password: k9-net:/home/angelsl" (19 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/503 |
| 18:48.51 | streuner | Angel-SL: check out README and install instructions, /msg dpkg search |
| 18:49.10 | r3v | Coag: nope, i stopped using vmware long ago |
| 18:49.11 | Angel-SL | !search |
| 18:49.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or ... |
| 18:49.28 | Gujiz | 2.6.8-2-686 <-- newest sarge kernel for celeron ? |
| 18:49.43 | boogie | Gujiz: yes |
| 18:49.57 | Coag | r3v, well is there any way to kill all the vmware processes, killall -9 vmware didnt work |
| 18:50.20 | r3v | Coag: isn't there something in /etc/init.d for vmware that you can stop? |
| 18:50.23 | Gixbit | <streuner>: i mean does debian fully support ATI radeon 9800 pro drivers lol i have trouble understanding that guy |
| 18:50.38 | Coag | r3v, i supposse let me check |
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| 18:51.08 | streuner | Gixbit: for most people ATI drivers just work in debian. |
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| 18:51.13 | Coag | TheNest:~# /etc/init.d/vmware stop |
| 18:51.13 | Coag | At least one instance of VMware Workstation is still running. |
| 18:51.13 | Coag | Please stop all running instances of VMware Workstation first. |
| 18:51.22 | BourneAgain | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.30 | Coag | and well i dont see one open |
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| 18:51.36 | tapas | hi |
| 18:51.38 | absence | dondelelcaro, maybe it's better for one who knows how to configure a custom kernel, but i'd rather just go with a configuration that someone who knows a lot more than i on the subject has made, instead of selecting options half at random |
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| 18:51.47 | r3v | Coag: I'm not sure on any of this... i switched to qemu (which is gpl'd) when i got tired of trying to keep vmware working without $ |
| 18:51.50 | RichiH | Coag: ps aux and grep for vmware |
| 18:51.50 | Gixbit | <streuner>: so that means it will work to the fullest extent without any issues? |
| 18:52.06 | tapas | is there a wm in debian that has its own composite manager? or if not, is there a package for the xcomposire maneger? |
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| 18:52.25 | Coag | r3v, i attempted to use qemu but the lag was horrendous on any system i was trying to install |
| 18:52.34 | Coag | even when i told it to use 51 megs of ram |
| 18:52.45 | tapas | Coag: try the kqemu module |
| 18:52.46 | petemc | a whole 51 megs! |
| 18:52.55 | tapas | 51 megs is mega meagre, too :) |
| 18:52.57 | Coag | 512* :> |
| 18:53.06 | petemc | ahh |
| 18:53.13 | streuner | Gixbit: ask a detailed question, /msg dpkg smart questions might help |
| 18:53.13 | petemc | i found qemu to be ok |
| 18:53.16 | Coag | and i tried to use the kqemu said it needed sdl or cocoa |
| 18:53.21 | r3v | Coag: i wouldn't use kqemu, it didn't work for me. I have 4 gigs of ram I let it use what it wanted of and it worked fine for me |
| 18:53.27 | bush | hmm, reiserfs 3.6 or xfs |
| 18:53.30 | Coag | RichiH, how would i use that? |
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| 18:53.58 | Coag | RichiH, i did te ps aux|grep vmware how do i use the info |
| 18:54.02 | Angel-SL | nope |
| 18:54.06 | tapas | Coag: try it anyways. it should bring you serious speedups |
| 18:54.07 | Angel-SL | doesnt find what i want |
| 18:54.10 | Angel-SL | i want curses |
| 18:54.13 | Angel-SL | or ncurses |
| 18:54.18 | Angel-SL | apt-get fails |
| 18:54.28 | Coag | tapas, i couldnt pass through ./configure because it needed sdl or cocoa |
| 18:54.30 | streuner | Angel-SL: nah, apt-get install libncures5-dev |
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| 18:54.43 | tapas | Coag: ? |
| 18:54.44 | tapas | ? |
| 18:55.04 | Coag | ill paste so you can see |
| 18:55.07 | alec | I've just installed ntp-server on a sarge machine. Using the default configuration (and a few others), it reports the stratum as 16 and none of my hosts can use it as a time server. Does anyone have an ideas how I may correct this? |
| 18:55.09 | Gixbit | <streuner>: The thing does not answer me |
| 18:55.13 | tapas | Coag: but not in this channel :) |
| 18:55.19 | Coag | yeah |
| 18:55.26 | Coag | join flood please |
| 18:55.34 | knj | I installet PHP5 via. the packages at http://people.debian.org/~dexter... Now I cant use the preg-functions... What package should I install to enable those functions? |
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| 18:55.56 | stew | knj: ask dexter |
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| 18:57.03 | greycat | bush: step *away* from the keyboard. |
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| 18:57.14 | greycat | (or *off* the keyboard, as the case may be) |
| 18:57.27 | knj | stew: I thought some of you guys in here would have tried it yourself, and could give me a quick answer :) |
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| 18:57.43 | setuid | Anyone in Brazil? Are there network troubles affecting your TLD today? |
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| 18:57.58 | setuid | We're getting reports of Brazil users not able to access the PPC64 Debian OpenPower servers |
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| 18:58.29 | Samhob | hey do someone knows how to disable that screensaver of debian ?? this default screensaver that blank the screen on x or on tty |
| 18:59.17 | Samhob | please :) ? |
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| 18:59.25 | r3v | Samhob: xset s noblank |
| 18:59.35 | Samhob | oh thats it ;) |
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| 18:59.51 | Samhob | how to make it permanent ? |
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| 19:00.05 | r3v | Samhob: put it in .xinit or something |
| 19:00.19 | Samhob | ok thanks |
| 19:00.24 | Samhob | but how to disable the one of the ttys to ? |
| 19:00.30 | zoexi | hello, can I get help mounting a usb flashdrive? I don't know its device path |
| 19:00.31 | Samhob | theres also this one ... |
| 19:00.36 | bitbaud | greets is it ok to ignore stuff like this when compiling a new kernel? kernel/power/pm.c:259: warning: 'pm_register' is deprecated (declared at kernel/power/pm.c:62) |
| 19:00.48 | r3v | zoexi: should be /dev/sda1 |
| 19:01.06 | zoexi | ok i'll try that |
| 19:01.07 | r3v | zoexi: unless you have scsi drives, then it's sd<something else>1 |
| 19:01.13 | Coag | tapas, thank you |
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| 19:01.31 | r3v | zoexi: if you log into tty1, then plug it in, it will tell you in the messages that some up which device it is |
| 19:01.38 | cahoot | Samhob: setterm -blank (man setterm) |
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| 19:01.50 | maher | zoexi: try cat /proc/partitions |
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| 19:01.57 | Toastie_ | If I have a normal project using autoconf, how can I make it compile for i386 on an x86-64 distro? |
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| 19:02.03 | Samhob | thanls |
| 19:02.03 | Samhob | thanks |
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| 19:02.28 | bitbaud | greets is it ok to ignore warnings about stuff being deprciated when compiling a new kernel? ? |
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| 19:03.34 | factor | how do I get a 2.4 kernel to compile with unstable debian? |
| 19:03.35 | cahoot | bitbaud: suff like? |
| 19:03.45 | r3v | bitbaud: don't worry about any warnings with kernel... there are tons. I'd just worry about errors |
| 19:03.46 | factor | I seem to be running into gcc problems. |
| 19:03.48 | amphi | bitbaud: devfs perchance? ;) |
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| 19:04.39 | maher | factor: use an older gcc |
| 19:04.47 | factor | so downgrade |
| 19:04.55 | factor | how do I downgrade it? |
| 19:05.05 | maher | factor: just install an earlier gcc |
| 19:05.07 | factor | or is it on the system already? |
| 19:05.16 | keven | I need a PCI wireless card, hopefully one autodetectable by debian. Any recs? |
| 19:05.39 | Gixbit | Does the Debian install disks come with # POSIX Shared Memory (/dev/shm) support is required for 3D apps |
| 19:05.39 | Gixbit | # glibc version 2.2 or 2.3 |
| 19:05.39 | Gixbit | # Linux kernel 2.4 or higher |
| 19:05.39 | Gixbit | # XFree86 version 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, or X.org 6.8 |
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| 19:05.58 | greycat | Gixbit: yes, sarge meets those criteria |
| 19:06.01 | r3v | keven: don't remember name of one I used, look for openAP project, I think they have ones listed that work with it |
| 19:06.02 | Gixbit | gah |
| 19:06.04 | Gixbit | flood sorry |
| 19:06.11 | Gixbit | i just ask simple question |
| 19:06.18 | Gixbit | i get kick cool anyway thanks greycat |
| 19:06.28 | zoexi | cool, it works, is there a way to have it done automatically when i plug it in? |
| 19:06.31 | Gixbit | sarge? |
| 19:06.44 | Gixbit | nvm |
| 19:06.45 | greycat | !sarge |
| 19:06.45 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 19:06.47 | Gixbit | yea |
| 19:06.49 | factor | I am using gcc version 4.0.2 20050816 how would I downgrade that |
| 19:06.50 | Gixbit | i just read it |
| 19:06.55 | turtle4 | man I messed up grub on debian and I have to reinstall the whole os! |
| 19:07.18 | maher | factor: don't downgrade - just install an older gcc and use that to build the kernel |
| 19:07.18 | Coag | factor just change your symlink |
| 19:07.31 | factor | k |
| 19:07.33 | factor | thanks |
| 19:07.50 | keven | r3v: thanks |
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| 19:08.13 | Coag | *sigh* |
| 19:08.23 | Coag | now qemu is failing on compile |
| 19:08.41 | Gixbit | I have a question that cannot be answered by dpkg. I installed SUSE version 9.3 and the boot loader and SUSE is still installed there and I was wondering what the safest way is to remove SUSE without screwing up my dual boot with windows and losing tons of data. |
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| 19:09.00 | Gixbit | So I can install debian |
| 19:09.01 | Gixbit | lol |
| 19:09.07 | Coag | why ask this in #debian? |
| 19:09.13 | Gixbit | who knows |
| 19:09.15 | Gixbit | lol |
| 19:09.22 | Coag | jsut start to setup debian |
| 19:09.30 | r3v | Gixbit: just install debian over suse and it'll put other OSes in grub automagically for you |
| 19:09.31 | Coag | and get rid of the partition that SuSE is on |
| 19:09.34 | Coag | install debian over it |
| 19:09.41 | Gixbit | right ok |
| 19:09.43 | Gixbit | thanks |
| 19:09.50 | adsadsad | suse sucks |
| 19:09.55 | boogie | Gixbit: Debian will gladly install over your suse - just elect to format the partition(s) it's on. |
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| 19:10.09 | Gixbit | lol |
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| 19:10.26 | Gixbit | thats good hopefully i'll have more luck installing my linksys wireless card on debian |
| 19:10.31 | ArtistAgent | laughs- Gladly indeed! |
| 19:10.31 | Gixbit | as well as my ati drivers |
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| 19:12.15 | LSorensen | Gixbit: well ati has lousy linux support, and wireless is often a nightmare, although a few cards like those using rl2500 and intel 2100/2200 chipsets at least have decent open source drivers it seems |
| 19:12.37 | greycat | x.org's radeon support is quite better than xfree86's |
| 19:12.39 | LSorensen | Gixbit: deibn adoes have a package for ndiswrapper which might be easy enough to make work with the card if needed |
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| 19:14.34 | SimonRaven | yeh. the ati driver is really nice in xorg |
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| 19:14.58 | SimonRaven | it's more stable (grammar?) than xfree's |
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| 19:15.40 | GrayThunder | is it possible (and if so, how) to restrict which IP's can ssh into a given machine? |
| 19:15.47 | Gixbit | yea |
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| 19:15.54 | r3v | GrayThunder: yeah, hosts.allow is easy way |
| 19:16.07 | SimonRaven | GrayThunder: of course. man iptables |
| 19:16.07 | r3v | GrayThunder: and well hosts.deny also |
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| 19:16.13 | SimonRaven | or ^^^^ |
| 19:16.17 | SimonRaven | .deny |
| 19:16.40 | GrayThunder | r3v: i need to leave other services open for everyone. |
| 19:16.45 | factor | cool older version of gcc working now |
| 19:16.47 | greycat | and man sshd_config, most likely |
| 19:17.00 | turtle4 | GrayThunder : look into sshd.conf |
| 19:17.00 | r3v | GrayThunder: iptables can do it by port, but it's harder. |
| 19:17.04 | GrayThunder | greycat: been there |
| 19:17.16 | NoGodNoMaster | hi all, i'm missing Helvetica and Times ... has anything changed recently? |
| 19:17.19 | greycat | iptables and hosts_access can definitely do it. |
| 19:17.28 | greycat | (or PF if you use PF for your firewall like me, but that's off topic in #debian) |
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| 19:17.54 | turtle4 | 100s of ways to skin a cat |
| 19:18.15 | Gixbit | greycat: x.org is way better than anything else for ati drivers? and do they come with debian sarge? |
| 19:18.19 | GrayThunder | turtle4: and none of them apply here. |
| 19:18.22 | SimonRaven | r3v: it isn't harder |
| 19:18.29 | meri | hm pf is openbsd # humppa |
| 19:19.10 | r3v | SimonRaven: ok. From my experience for me it is. I always forget the syntax of iptables commnads and such. |
| 19:19.29 | r3v | SimonRaven: just putting ip in a file is much easier for me |
| 19:19.31 | adsadsad | why "start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/vi.pid --name testnamevi --startas /usr/bin/vi" doesn't get the vi process equal PID=GID=SID? |
| 19:19.35 | poxymox_ | NoGodNoMaster: apt-cache show msttcorefonts |
| 19:19.49 | SimonRaven | r3v: that's why there's a man page |
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| 19:20.12 | r3v | SimonRaven: looking stuff up = harder :-P |
| 19:20.24 | Ungy | man pages confuse me |
| 19:20.31 | NoGodNoMaster | poxymox_: they work i think ... i just would like the postscript-fonts to include in eps-figures |
| 19:20.55 | me_here | i have to append a backslash to every URL:port in bash to get a stream, is this some debian behaviour or maybe that i got something wrong ? |
| 19:20.57 | SimonRaven | r3v: hardly ;p |
| 19:20.59 | NoGodNoMaster | poxymox_: and helvetica and times are from adobe i think |
| 19:21.04 | adsadsad | for cron instead of vi the cron process stared by start-stop-daemon PID=GID=SID |
| 19:21.35 | Gixbit | I want to download debian but it's confusing me |
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| 19:21.53 | greycat | !d-i |
| 19:21.53 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer |
| 19:22.10 | greycat | download the net install image, burn it to a CD, boot it |
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| 19:22.34 | braindead_moron | I'm trying to print from mozilla via CUPS and the printer is complaining it doesn't have A4 sized paper... Cups is configured to print in Letter... I'm not sure what to do? |
| 19:22.40 | GrayThunder | iptables would require that i setup iptables on 8 different machines (and all the configuration headaches for each different machine). hosts.allow/.deny wont work very well, because one of the mahines i need to protect is an email server. |
| 19:22.53 | Gixbit | is this telling me there is 14 disc setup??? |
| 19:23.05 | eng | why linux |
| 19:23.18 | adsadsad | Gixbit: u need only the first to install |
| 19:23.21 | eng | help linux |
| 19:23.36 | Gixbit | i mean thats mental 14 discs holy hell |
| 19:23.42 | Vinland | this is going to sound like a strange request, but could somebody port scan me? |
| 19:23.48 | r3v | Gixbit: it's 2 dvd's |
| 19:23.48 | Gixbit | lol |
| 19:23.49 | benDOTc | eng: You're going to have to be a bit more specific than that. |
| 19:23.49 | boogie | Gixbit: only if you want to install from CDs. Get the netinstall CD, or the first CD, then choose 'http' or 'ftp' when prompted. |
| 19:24.18 | Gixbit | does ndiswrapper come on the first cd? |
| 19:24.19 | eng | exit |
| 19:24.20 | poxymox_ | NoGodNoMaster: maybe there http://thelinuxbox.org/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1100351933&archive=1101877221&start_from=&ucat=4& |
| 19:24.27 | SimonRaven | braindead_moron: set it in mozilla too |
| 19:24.44 | SimonRaven | braindead_moron: that's what "page setup..." is for after all... |
| 19:24.46 | boogie | if you'd read what greycat had dpkg display, you'd be on your way already, Gixbit. |
| 19:25.36 | me_here | Vinland: there are some security scanners from mcaffe or norton etc. you can portscan yourself from there, don't know the urls but u may google for them |
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| 19:26.04 | adsadsad | best antivirus for debian? |
| 19:26.08 | boogie | Gixbit: look for 'netinst CD image'. |
| 19:26.10 | SimonRaven | me_here: uh, nmap is easier and less encumbered |
| 19:26.15 | Gixbit | boogie: Ok, Understand that I need to have ndiswrapper so that i can install my network card |
| 19:26.29 | r3v | Vinland: give me ip, i'll do it |
| 19:26.33 | Gixbit | boogie: my card is not supported i do not think it is. |
| 19:26.34 | boogie | Gixbit: is that your only way of connecting to the net (wirelessly)? |
| 19:26.43 | Gixbit | Boogie: yea |
| 19:26.45 | SimonRaven | adsadsad: debian doesn't need it - you have rootkits though ;) - but clamav is good and popular |
| 19:26.52 | boogie | yuckies |
| 19:26.54 | Gixbit | boogie: i have no choice in the matter |
| 19:27.02 | SimonRaven | there are 2 old linux viruses though |
| 19:27.02 | boogie | poor boy |
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| 19:27.15 | me_here | SimonRave: i used it just once, but that time i was on windows |
| 19:27.18 | adsadsad | SimonRaven: clamav get also windows virii? |
| 19:27.31 | Gixbit | boogie: so is ndiswrapper on disc 1? |
| 19:27.35 | SimonRaven | yes.. |
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| 19:27.41 | GrayThunder | working on it now |
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| 19:28.00 | boogie | Gixbit: let me see... |
| 19:28.02 | SimonRaven | better than mcafee or norton IMO. they have a vetsed interest in keeping viruses going.... |
| 19:28.06 | Gixbit | thank you |
| 19:28.08 | SimonRaven | vested even |
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| 19:28.16 | frank_bb | hi all |
| 19:28.21 | frank_bb | can anyone help me with a problem installing themes in WindowMaker? |
| 19:29.06 | boogie | Gixbit: hehe no, it looks like ndiswrapper stuff is on CD #14. |
| 19:29.09 | SimonRaven | frank_bb: apt-get install wmakerconf |
| 19:29.15 | streuner | frank_bb: aren't there not enough themes in wmaker? |
| 19:29.16 | SimonRaven | easy peasy shit |
| 19:29.18 | NoGodNoMaster | poxymox_: maybe a bit more precise: shouldn't Helvetica and Times be included in the standard X / gs-fonts? i got all installed, but cannot use them .. |
| 19:29.30 | Gixbit | so i need to get disk 1 and 14 lol |
| 19:29.40 | frank_bb | ah... yes... my problem is that I can't install some of them... |
| 19:30.02 | SimonRaven | NoGodNoMaster: no |
| 19:30.02 | boogie | well, at least, ndiswrapper-modules-$(uname -r) is on CD 14. |
| 19:30.13 | streuner | frank_bb: wmaker has serveral themes by default |
| 19:30.20 | SimonRaven | NoGodNoMaster: not in gs-fons, nor "standard" xfonts install |
| 19:30.24 | SimonRaven | fonts* |
| 19:30.33 | frank_bb | some "untar" themselfs appearently to the right directories... but others untar to a ".themed" directory and don't appear on the themes menu... |
| 19:30.42 | frank_bb | yes, I can use some... |
| 19:30.45 | Gixbit | so ill just install ndiswrapper from disk 14 and it has an auto-install thing right? |
| 19:31.07 | boogie | Gixbit: I don't think it works that way. |
| 19:31.07 | greycat | Gixbit: why the hell would you get a whole CD just for one package? |
| 19:31.14 | Gixbit | auto-install or something that installs the driver for me |
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| 19:31.19 | Gixbit | LOL! |
| 19:31.21 | Gixbit | because |
| 19:31.22 | boogie | yes, you could go to packages.debian.org |
| 19:31.31 | greycat | put a normal NIC in the fucking box for the installation |
| 19:31.33 | Gixbit | i unno |
| 19:31.50 | greycat | better yet, put a normal NIC in the fucking box and then DON'T TAKE IT OUT! |
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| 19:31.57 | boogie | exactly |
| 19:32.20 | boogie | but these common sense solutions just don't cut it in our crazy, modern world. |
| 19:32.31 | greycat | take your proprietary wireless shit back to the hell hole whence it was spawned, and demand a refund, or documentation so that free drivers can be written for it |
| 19:32.33 | NoGodNoMaster | SimonRaven: i've got nearly every font (except japanese and cyrillic etc) installed ... and these two used to be there ... but not anymore .. maybe sth. with the configuration? already run update-fonts-[dir|alias|scale] on every dir i could find :-( |
| 19:32.35 | boogie | hehe |
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| 19:32.54 | adsadsad | someone can tell me why i can't start some processes (like vi) without PID=GID=SID by start-stop-daemon? (i know vi is't a deamon , but i can't get where is the real difference between a daemon and other programs what a daemon do or not do to have PID=GID=SID) |
| 19:33.25 | frank_bb | SimonRaven: just checked and saw I already have wmakerconf installed... is it an configuration problem? |
| 19:33.26 | boogie | plus, wireless will make your babies have gills and three eyes. |
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| 19:33.34 | greycat | every time you install ndiswrapper, and pay money to companies that continue to withhold documentation from linux and BSD developers, Satan creates another lawyer |
| 19:33.42 | frank_bb | SimonRaven: (some "untar" themselfs appearently to the right directories... but others untar to a ".themed" directory and don't appear on the themes menu...) |
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| 19:35.17 | Gixbit | boogie: so what modules do i need theres 7 things there including a module for some utilities |
| 19:35.35 | benDOTc | I just reinstall mysqld in unstable, and it's only connecting on the loopback device (not network), but i've commented out the bind_address=127.0.0.1 line and i can't figure out what else to do. |
| 19:35.36 | greycat | !ndiswrapper |
| 19:35.36 | dpkg | methinks ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 19:35.43 | boogie | Gixbit: I'm sure I don't know - I don't own anything wireless. |
| 19:35.48 | greycat | Gixbit: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
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| 19:36.26 | boogie | oh well that's a piece of cake. |
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| 19:37.00 | Gixbit | what does that command mean |
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| 19:37.22 | Gixbit | because if it has anything to do with internet connections i won't have any until this card is installed |
| 19:37.57 | greycat | put a normal NIC in it. |
| 19:38.13 | boogie | Gixbit: is this a desktop, or a laptop? |
| 19:38.22 | Gixbit | lol i can't answer that |
| 19:38.24 | Gixbit | ill get flamed |
| 19:38.29 | Gixbit | why don't you guess? |
| 19:38.33 | boogie | :/ |
| 19:38.41 | greycat | you're a VMware user trying to install ubuntu |
| 19:38.52 | Echelon | ... |
| 19:38.54 | Echelon | icky |
| 19:39.00 | streuner | Gixbit- VERSION mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 19:39.00 | streuner | -Gixbit- VERSION OS: (WinXP Professional 5.1 (Build #2600)) |
| 19:39.06 | Echelon | isnt there a seperate room for ubuntu |
| 19:39.07 | greycat | doesn't prove much |
| 19:39.10 | greycat | Echelon: yes. |
| 19:39.19 | Gixbit | yea |
| 19:39.20 | Echelon | lol, then they should consider asking in there right? ;p |
| 19:39.23 | Gixbit | windows xp |
| 19:39.25 | Gixbit | for now |
| 19:39.52 | Gixbit | yea this is a desktop |
| 19:39.59 | Gixbit | with a wireless card |
| 19:40.03 | greycat | then slap a $10 PCI NIC in it. |
| 19:40.11 | boogie | decent nics are like $10-15 |
| 19:40.11 | Gixbit | i have one |
| 19:40.12 | Gixbit | lol |
| 19:40.17 | r3v | or a $1 nic |
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| 19:40.22 | Gixbit | i already have one |
| 19:40.22 | boogie | ha ha, it is to laugh. |
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| 19:40.43 | Gixbit | the problem is i'am upstairs the router is downstairs |
| 19:40.57 | Gixbit | i don't have a long enough ethernet cord |
| 19:41.03 | Gixbit | thus wireless |
| 19:41.28 | greycat | 1) put NIC in. 2) walk downstars with computer. 3) install Debian. 4) install ndis shit. 5) walk back upstairs. |
| 19:41.31 | sigma957 | GIxbit:move the computer temporarily |
| 19:41.43 | Gixbit | OMFG hell no |
| 19:41.49 | Gixbit | this is a 21 inch monitor |
| 19:41.54 | Gixbit | and its not flat screen |
| 19:41.55 | streuner | Gixbit: do we need to spoon feeding? |
| 19:42.00 | streuner | you* |
| 19:42.02 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:42.05 | sigma957 | it'll build some muscles |
| 19:42.09 | Gixbit | lol |
| 19:42.12 | jnymo | Hi.. is there a debian boot disk that will let me boot into my debian on an external usb harddrive? |
| 19:42.14 | Gixbit | 2 FLIGHTS OF STAIRS |
| 19:42.19 | Gixbit | WHAT IF I TRIP?? |
| 19:42.23 | quiet | then you die |
| 19:42.26 | Gixbit | lol |
| 19:42.26 | boogie | yeah, /ignore is looking good... |
| 19:42.28 | Gixbit | EXACTLY! |
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| 19:42.38 | quiet | so.... don't trip... or.... don't install debian? |
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| 19:42.57 | streuner | jnymo: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 19:43.26 | r3v | Gixbit: just download the 2 DVD set then you won't need internet for anything if you are going to be that lazy |
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| 19:43.33 | Gixbit | no dvd burner |
| 19:43.39 | sigma957 | then buy some! |
| 19:43.43 | r3v | exactly |
| 19:43.46 | Gixbit | expensive |
| 19:43.49 | greycat | !rube goldberg install |
| 19:43.49 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 19:44.02 | sigma957 | LOL! |
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| 19:44.06 | r3v | hahaha |
| 19:44.12 | Skiflyer | I'm trying to script an rsync task, and even though I've supplied the --password-file=file option, it's still prompting me for a password when I run the script, anyone have any ideas? |
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| 19:44.16 | quiet | Gixbit, debian wono't do you much good without internet anyways... |
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| 19:44.23 | quiet | so.. make a cable.. and run it upstairs |
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| 19:44.39 | Gixbit | lol we'd all love a cable running from downstairs |
| 19:44.42 | sigma957 | Gixbit:either spend some money on DVDs or get some friends to help you move monster CRT, or go away |
| 19:44.43 | Gixbit | upstairs |
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| 19:44.50 | c_olin | what is that gnome programs that you can ajust the sound levels? |
| 19:44.51 | bobw_ | Can someone help me get my debian box to access the internet, it's behind a http proxy!! HELP |
| 19:44.53 | troels | Aye up :) |
| 19:44.54 | jubo1 | how much longer is woody going to be supported? |
| 19:45.07 | streuner | jubo1: 1 year |
| 19:45.19 | streuner | jubo1: for security updates |
| 19:45.26 | greycat | 1 year from sarge's release is the official line |
| 19:45.28 | quiet | Gixbit, it's very easy to run it through the wall... even run it through an air coditioning duct |
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| 19:45.31 | r3v | bobw_: i would, but I've never dealt with proxy so I have no idea |
| 19:45.43 | jubo1 | streuner: thanks, that leads to my second question. aptitude dist-upgrade is all that is necessary to update to the latest stable? |
| 19:45.46 | boneski | I've just updated Sid, saw a kdelibs-data go through, and now KDE has now apps in the menu |
| 19:45.47 | Gixbit | lol the air conditioning duct |
| 19:45.52 | Gixbit | that'd be quit bad |
| 19:46.11 | r3v | boneski: no or now apps? |
| 19:46.11 | c_olin | what is the gnome program that ajusts the sound levels? |
| 19:46.15 | quiet | why? use plenum-grade cable... it's easy |
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| 19:46.25 | r3v | boneski: if no, I know how to fix that (dealt with it yesterday) |
| 19:46.30 | streuner | jubo1: no |
| 19:46.40 | jubo1 | ahhh... |
| 19:46.45 | boneski | r3w, no menu entries |
| 19:46.59 | jubo1 | well I will go rtfm then :-) |
| 19:47.03 | streuner | jubo1: /msg dpkg sarge release notes |
| 19:47.10 | quiet | measure it out... go to Home Depot.. and buy that much... run it through the ceiling, slap ends on it.. connec...be happy.. |
| 19:47.11 | boneski | my quick launch icons were removed from the launch panel too |
| 19:47.13 | corallis | could someone try to help me get my sound working on my machine? |
| 19:47.20 | r3v | boneski: you need to redownload the right version of kdelibs-data and dpkg -i it, and not upgrade till they are done uploading the new kde |
| 19:47.22 | quiet | corallis, sarge/etch? |
| 19:47.28 | Ungy | export HISTCONTROL=ignoredups0 stop bash from not making duplicate entries right? |
| 19:47.30 | corallis | quiet: sarge |
| 19:47.39 | quiet | oss? |
| 19:48.13 | boneski | r3v, I was hoping it had fixed the kmail problem |
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| 19:48.36 | corallis | quiet: I'm not sure what I'm trying to use... it's the default 2.4.27 kernel and whatever that installs |
| 19:48.41 | corallis | quiet: either oss or alsa? |
| 19:48.46 | quiet | yes |
| 19:48.48 | r3v | boneski: with mis-matching versions of kdelibs, none of your kde stuff will work right |
| 19:48.51 | quiet | oss is default though |
| 19:49.04 | corallis | alright, that must be it then |
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| 19:49.18 | quiet | what desktop? gnome/kde/other? |
| 19:49.19 | boneski | it's been seg faulting for over a month |
| 19:49.26 | corallis | kde |
| 19:49.30 | r3v | boneski: i'd recommend just going back to old kdelib-data until all is uploaded, or you can grab all 3.4 stuff from experimental if you want |
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| 19:49.53 | quiet | corallis, k-menu > multimedia> kmix ? |
| 19:50.07 | Skiflyer | ok then, anyone know a good place ot get help with rsync? |
| 19:50.12 | w00ter | I'd like to know what the best way is to start a vncserver at boottime under a specific user |
| 19:50.14 | boneski | I'll go back to 3.3.2 once I find the archive |
| 19:50.17 | si|vercat | Hello. I'm wondering if there's anything that can make some port-forwarding rules, when running masquerade, via a web interface? |
| 19:50.20 | Ungy | boneski, the latest kdelib-data is bad revert it |
| 19:50.33 | Ungy | boneski, you want it? |
| 19:50.36 | corallis | quiet: it comes up but the drop down menu doesn't have any current mixers |
| 19:51.05 | quiet | under output.. can you turn pcm on by clicking the green light? |
| 19:51.19 | troels | I'm not that much into hardware. Can anybody help me out? I want to buy a laptop and then later install Debian... What should I look for? |
| 19:51.30 | Ungy | boneski, :/var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:51.34 | corallis | quiet, there is nothing other than the empty dropdown menu |
| 19:51.41 | quiet | oh sorry.. |
| 19:51.47 | quiet | you know what the card is? |
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| 19:52.01 | corallis | Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio |
| 19:52.11 | boneski | only the broken .deb in there |
| 19:52.40 | Ungy | boneski, doh |
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| 19:52.53 | Ungy | boneski, you at 3.2 or 3.3 |
| 19:52.58 | boneski | 3.3 |
| 19:52.59 | quiet | corallis, 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
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| 19:53.39 | corallis | quiet: 2.4.27 |
| 19:54.27 | quiet | is snd_i8x0 listed under lsmod? |
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| 19:54.53 | Ungy | boneski give me a second |
| 19:54.54 | corallis | quiet: no |
| 19:54.55 | boneski | found em |
| 19:55.02 | cahoot | snd-intel8x0 - no? |
| 19:55.09 | quiet | first... are you a member of the audio group corallis ?? |
| 19:55.15 | ateoh211 | in debian sarge, there is a virtual package for php5, in terms of using apache 1.3.33 and php5 on sarge, what should I install? |
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| 19:55.31 | jnymo | streuner: the documentation did not provide any information WRT a debian boot loading cd that will let me boot to an external sda1 hdd when my bios does not support boot-usb .. |
| 19:55.37 | corallis | quiet: not as far as I know |
| 19:55.55 | Skiflyer | anyone here even use rsync? |
| 19:55.56 | lnzju | hello everyone, does Xorg support i810 Graphy Card ? |
| 19:56.05 | Echelon | how do you make 'ps' show processes for only one group, and not include the processes from the user that is running ps |
| 19:56.11 | quiet | yeah.. sorry... snd_i8x0 is ALSA.. you're looking for i810_audio corallis.. how about that one? or anything with snd in it? |
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| 19:56.19 | streuner | jnymo: read ig then |
| 19:56.24 | lnzju | When I install debian on such a board , |
| 19:56.40 | jnymo | whats ig, streuner? |
| 19:56.48 | streuner | jnymo: /msg dpkg ig |
| 19:56.50 | corallis | quiet: nope, none of them have snd in them |
| 19:56.58 | lnzju | its resolution won't be over 640*480@85HZ |
| 19:56.59 | quiet | lnzju, Debian uses XFree86 not Xorg |
| 19:57.07 | greycat | Echelon: I don't think ps has any way to filter by processes' *group* IDs, but you can check the man page. |
| 19:57.11 | lnzju | debianm sid |
| 19:57.14 | jnymo | streuner: what now? |
| 19:57.21 | quiet | corallis, you confortable with vi ? |
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| 19:57.27 | quiet | comfortable* |
| 19:57.27 | streuner | jnymo: you just read? |
| 19:57.36 | corallis | quiet: yeah |
| 19:57.38 | lnzju | I get sid installed on that board |
| 19:57.48 | michaeln | im having trouble getting sound to work with enemy territory on debian sarge - xmms sound works fine though |
| 19:57.53 | quiet | corallis, 'su -' to root and vi /etc/group |
| 19:58.02 | quiet | add your name to audio.. and anything else that need be... |
| 19:58.02 | streuner | jnymo: Didn't you have debian already installed? |
| 19:58.04 | ateoh211 | what purpose does the php5 virtual package serve on debian sarge? |
| 19:58.04 | jnymo | uh.. it doesn't say much. just a link to the docs |
| 19:58.13 | streuner | yeah |
| 19:58.16 | streuner | of course |
| 19:58.16 | quiet | corallis, also.. try to log in as root.. and see if you have sound... |
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| 19:58.23 | jnymo | streuner: yes, why? |
| 19:58.28 | lnzju | and the resolution is really hard to change |
| 19:58.43 | lnzju | I edit /etc/X11/xorg.cong manully |
| 19:58.48 | streuner | jnymo: because reading is NOT bad? |
| 19:58.53 | quiet | corallis, if you don't want to use vi... you can log in as root... and 'adduser <username> audio' |
| 19:59.03 | lnzju | but faillto start |
| 19:59.21 | corallis | quiet: I'll try logging in as root to see if I have sound, and if not, I'll use adduser and come back here |
| 19:59.28 | quiet | okay... |
| 19:59.40 | lnzju | if I write it normally I'll got a fatal err |
| 19:59.47 | jnymo | streuner: are you familiar with the issue I'm having? I browsed the docs without finding any info pertinent to my problem |
| 20:00.20 | lnzju | EE:I810(0): No Video BIOS modes for chosen depth. |
| 20:00.23 | jnymo | no, why do you ask that i have debian already installed? |
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| 20:00.54 | miguel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.08 | jnymo | it is installed on my local harddrive. i installed it on my external harddrive as well, but my bios wont boot to usb |
| 20:01.13 | miguel_ | and received some messages, how i see total quota usage? |
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| 20:01.26 | corallis | quiet: I have no sound as root, and I am already a member of audio |
| 20:02.01 | quiet | hrm... i don't know man... i would say to install alsa...but installing it may cause you more problems.. |
| 20:02.16 | bobw_ | can someone help me get my debian box out to the net, im behind a web proxy |
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| 20:02.53 | huhcool | Is there any program i can use to make my gamepad (recognized by linux as a standard 10 button joystick) emulate my computer keyboard, thereby making all games support my gamepad? (similar to the Gravis Xterminator for windows) |
| 20:03.12 | ateoh211 | what purpose to virtual packages serve? |
| 20:03.12 | corallis | alright.. I'll keep trying different things then.. thanks very much for the help |
| 20:03.43 | quiet | corallis, no problem.. i'm more familiar with alsa.. .sorry i couldn't be of more help.. maybe check out LinuxQuestions.org? |
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| 20:03.59 | r3v | huhcool: there is something like that, but I don't remember name at all |
| 20:04.37 | jnymo | anyone: whats the difference between chroot and pivot_root? |
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| 20:04.45 | bartden | hi, i'm trying to make acpi smart battery work on my acer travelmate 4101, i have compiled the acpi support into the kernel witj my own dsdt table, but when i boot and look into the info on /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/info i still see Present : no, what could be the proble |
| 20:04.49 | bartden | m |
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| 20:05.09 | huhcool | r3v: would there be a deb package available with that in it that I just have to find? |
| 20:05.17 | si|vercat | I'm trying to set up webmin for my LAN |
| 20:05.57 | si|vercat | but I get Access denied for 192.168.1.1 |
| 20:06.03 | streuner | jnymo: if your mobo doesn't support USB booting your fucked |
| 20:06.11 | w00ter | How do I add vncserver to a start script |
| 20:06.17 | r3v | huhcool: i don't remember... it was 3 years ago I was playing with it |
| 20:06.57 | jnymo | streuner: theres ways i've heard about.. but they're complex |
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| 20:11.29 | ratonn | Can someone tell me what went wrong here? |
| 20:11.29 | ratonn | raid1: md0, not all disks are operational -- trying to recover array |
| 20:11.29 | ratonn | raid1: raid set md0 active with 1 out of 2 mirrors |
| 20:11.29 | ratonn | md: recovery thread got woken up ... |
| 20:11.29 | ratonn | md0: no spare disk to reconstruct array! -- continuing in degraded mode |
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| 20:11.39 | dondelelcaro | ratonn: please don't paste here |
| 20:12.49 | ratonn | Anyone? |
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| 20:13.21 | EvanCarroll | ratonn: one of your drives failed. |
| 20:13.30 | EvanCarroll | ratonn: and you didn't specify a fallback drive |
| 20:13.51 | EvanCarroll | ratonn: so now you have to remove the bad drive put in the good drive and rebuild the array |
| 20:13.56 | EvanCarroll | which takes along time |
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| 20:14.15 | EvanCarroll | /cat/proc/mdstat for more info |
| 20:14.27 | ratonn | Yep, I did that. Shows 1 disk missing. |
| 20:14.44 | EvanCarroll | that disk is not functioning |
| 20:14.46 | ratonn | Guess I better do that urgently. |
| 20:14.48 | turtle4 | in a software raid system if you lose the disk which has the vmlinuz on it your fucked arent' you? |
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| 20:15.00 | sebas1 | hola |
| 20:15.08 | bartden | hi, i'm trying to make acpi smart battery work on my acer travelmate 4101, i have compiled the acpi support into the kernel witj my own dsdt table, but when i boot and look into the info on /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/info i still see Present : no, what could be the problem |
| 20:15.51 | EvanCarroll | turtle4: how would you lose 'the' disk with vmlinuz? |
| 20:15.59 | ratonn | turtle4: good point... i don't know how linux booted |
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| 20:16.06 | turtle4 | Evan : fire? corruption, crash? |
| 20:16.32 | turtle4 | since only one disk has the kernel |
| 20:16.41 | turtle4 | once the kernel loads then you have redundancy |
| 20:16.44 | EvanCarroll | turtle4: the whole idea of raid, is that there is 'the' disk, in raid0, the drives are striped, so if you loose a disk you loose everything, not just vmlinuz... |
| 20:17.08 | EvanCarroll | turtle4: in most raid levels though you have parity so you don't loose data from loosing any one drive |
| 20:17.15 | LaidBack_01 | is there a way to change a running processes uid and gid? |
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| 20:17.30 | turtle4 | Evan : depends on whether it's software or hardware raid though |
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| 20:17.42 | dondelelcaro | LaidBack_01: the process makes a call to setuid/seteuid/setgid/setegid |
| 20:17.43 | turtle4 | Evan : I was just saying in software raid, the kernel is only on one disk |
| 20:18.05 | LaidBack_01 | ok |
| 20:18.09 | EvanCarroll | turtle4: that doesn't make sense |
| 20:18.19 | turtle4 | On hardware raid it's spread across many disks , assuming raid 1 |
| 20:18.37 | yalu | How can I pass an environment variable to a cron job please? I tried something like: 0-59/12 * * * * MAILTO="" fetchmail but cron keeps sending me email that I don't have new email :-) |
| 20:18.37 | EvanCarroll | turtle4: ... on software raid it is too, if your doing striping |
| 20:18.54 | turtle4 | But the bios doesn't understand striping |
| 20:18.58 | michaeln | i have sound working for xmms, but I can |
| 20:19.03 | EvanCarroll | the bios doesn't need to the kernel does. |
| 20:19.07 | michaeln | cant figure out how to get sound working in enemyterritory |
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| 20:19.17 | turtle4 | but which disk is the kernel on? |
| 20:19.21 | mysurfguide | changing the sound server solves the xmms freezing problem? |
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| 20:19.32 | turtle4 | the kernel can't be stripped across 2 disks since the bios wouldn't know how to load it |
| 20:19.42 | ratonn | Evan: so how did linux boot? |
| 20:19.45 | EvanCarroll | turtle4: you can't just subtract 14megs off of one disk, without subtractracting it from all of the others, ALL levels of raid will only utilize the size of the smallest useable disk |
| 20:19.59 | ratonn | the drive /dev/hda specified as boot=/dev/hda in lilo was dead at boot |
| 20:20.04 | turtle4 | Evan : on software raid you only have one boot disk |
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| 20:20.08 | ratonn | root=/dev/md0 |
| 20:20.27 | ratonn | software raid1 btw |
| 20:20.28 | turtle4 | evan : once the OS loads (i.e vmlinux) then you are in a stripped mode |
| 20:20.30 | yath | my xserver-xorg package failed to set up, how can I run its post-install script and see debugging? |
| 20:20.35 | dondelelcaro | EvanCarroll: often, but if you're mirroring, you can fail over to the second |
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| 20:20.43 | dondelelcaro | s/EvanCarrol/turtle4/ |
| 20:20.47 | EvanCarroll | turtle4: if your not booting off the raid array then the arguement is moot, and you don't even need a vmlinuz you could build the modules into the kernel |
| 20:20.51 | asdrubalex | Osama Bin Laden hidden place ROTFLOL »» http://systemsecure.org/ssforum/viewtopic.php?t=103 |
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| 20:21.45 | Misos | I am trying to restrict user trular of group mud to the directory /home/trular - does anyone know how I would do that? |
| 20:22.01 | Misos | I am trying to restrict user trular of group mud to the directory /home/trular - does anyone know how I would do that? |
| 20:22.04 | EvanCarroll | chroot |
| 20:22.14 | Misos | ? |
| 20:22.17 | ratonn | Evan: /dev/hda1 is mounted though |
| 20:22.21 | ratonn | so how can the drive have failed? |
| 20:22.34 | dondelelcaro | Misos: don't repeat; and that's generally totally useless; you can chroot, or give them a specific shell, but they have to be able to access /bin, /usr/bin, /lib and /usr/lib, and often /etc. |
| 20:22.35 | EvanCarroll | ratonn: How would i know that? |
| 20:22.44 | dondelelcaro | s/specific/restricted/ |
| 20:22.53 | ratonn | Well, you said that the error I pasted above meant that one of hte drives failed. |
| 20:23.10 | Misos | dondel - Sorry, didn't mean to repeat, all they need to do is run MUDs |
| 20:23.11 | EvanCarroll | ratonn: by fail i mean that the raid daemon failed to start it |
| 20:23.19 | Misos | they don't need access to anything other than their home directories |
| 20:23.32 | dondelelcaro | Misos: so just set up the mudd as their shell |
| 20:23.33 | EvanCarroll | ratonn: but if you can see it in /proc/partitions, and mount it etc than it obviously isn't a bad/disconnected drive |
| 20:23.35 | ratonn | mmm |
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| 20:23.46 | dondelelcaro | or hell, don't even give them an account at all |
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| 20:24.00 | Misos | uh, they need to be able to modify their code |
| 20:24.04 | ratonn | why would the raid daemon fail? |
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| 20:24.30 | dondelelcaro | Misos: if they need to be able to modify their code, then they need full access to the things that I've already indicated, so there's no way you can sanely restrict them to their home directory |
| 20:24.56 | Misos | Ok, what about restricting write-access to home directory alone, read access everywhere else? |
| 20:25.05 | dondelelcaro | Misos: that's the way it is by default. |
| 20:25.11 | amphi | Misos: that's normal ;) |
| 20:25.14 | Misos | oh =P |
| 20:25.37 | ratonn | Evan: is there a way to re-attempt recovery? |
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| 20:29.20 | Kilgore | Anyone have any experiance getting Sarge installed on a motherboard with an ICH7 controller? |
| 20:30.10 | EvanCarroll | ratonn: no |
| 20:30.16 | fatal_ | !anyone |
| 20:30.16 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 20:30.25 | EvanCarroll | ratonn: after you get that, you have to add the harddrive anew, and then rebuild array |
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| 20:30.46 | ratonn | physically re-add it? |
| 20:30.48 | EvanCarroll | Kilgore: most motherboards have ICH7 controllers |
| 20:31.02 | EvanCarroll | ratonn: yes |
| 20:31.11 | fatal_ | hopefully it'll work to use the 2.6.8 kernel to install, but you'll probably want to switch to a bleeding edge kernel right after that... |
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| 20:31.14 | ratonn | what about removing it using mdadm and re-adding it? |
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| 20:31.26 | EvanCarroll | Kilgore: nevermind, i'm thinking of something else |
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| 20:31.44 | EvanCarroll | ratonn: that will still result in rebuilding all of the indexes |
| 20:31.51 | fatal_ | I kind of doubt the install will work though, the ICH7 SATA pci-ids is available only in very recent kernels AFAIK. |
| 20:32.11 | fatal_ | depends on how you've set up your system though... using SATA? |
| 20:32.12 | Kilgore | Is there a way to install sarge with a newer kernel? |
| 20:32.23 | Kilgore | Yes on SATA |
| 20:32.36 | EvanCarroll | Change to etch after you do install, installer newer kernel, downgrade back to sarge |
| 20:32.46 | bobw_ | aanyone know how to get a debian to the net from behind a proxy |
| 20:32.56 | ratonn | Evan: i'll give that a try |
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| 20:32.59 | ratonn | thanks of rthe help |
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| 20:33.22 | joedirt66 | how do i configure gpm |
| 20:33.32 | EvanCarroll | ratonn: be sure you have lots of time |
| 20:33.40 | EvanCarroll | ratonn: index rebuilds take forever and a fuck year |
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| 20:34.24 | kps | what does this mean, never seen this before when doing apt-get install something: |
| 20:34.27 | kps | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 20:34.28 | kps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:35.01 | joedirt66 | how do i configure gpm |
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| 20:35.30 | BlackRatzz | Is bot dpkg broken? |
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| 20:35.33 | streuner | !gpm |
| 20:35.34 | dpkg | i guess gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 20:35.38 | ratonn | Evan: mdadm --add seems to have gotten sync under way |
| 20:35.51 | fatal_ | kps: new apt system does verifications of the keys used to sign the packages... unsigned packages will generate warnings.. |
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| 20:36.01 | streuner | dpkg, factinfo gpm |
| 20:36.01 | dpkg | gpm -- last modified at Fri May 14 13:13:46 2004 by Guerin!~pigeon@220.123.169.71; it has been requested 135 times, last by streuner, 27s ago. |
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| 20:36.18 | joedirt66 | peterS how do i run the configure tool for gpm like it give u when u frist install it |
| 20:36.19 | ratonn | Evan: surprisingly fast.. 91 minutes till completion |
| 20:36.52 | BlackRatzz | streuner: Can you /msg dpkg? I am getting no reply |
| 20:36.55 | kps | fatal_, ok thanks |
| 20:36.59 | streuner | joedirt66: dpkg -L gpm, there is a bin (config), IIRC |
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| 20:37.04 | cn | it is possible to reach freenode by a client behind a proxy server? |
| 20:37.07 | ratonn | Evan: I wonder how this happened |
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| 20:37.10 | joedirt66 | thx |
| 20:37.21 | streuner | blacke: no problems here |
| 20:37.31 | streuner | BlackRatzz: no problems here |
| 20:37.49 | BlackRatzz | You tried /msg and it worked? |
| 20:37.51 | streuner | cn: no |
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| 20:38.04 | streuner | cn: k-lined would be the consequenz |
| 20:38.08 | fatal_ | kps: apt-listchanges is a nice tool to view changelogs with when updating your system... And reading the changelogs is probably a good idea to avoid unpleasent surprises when running unstable. |
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| 20:38.59 | streuner | cn: there are too many open proxys out there... |
| 20:39.13 | BlackRatzz | I am getting no reply from "/msg dpkg sarge" |
| 20:39.22 | streuner | dpkg, sarge |
| 20:39.22 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 20:39.25 | cn | streuner i mean proxy of the lan |
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| 20:39.37 | BlackRatzz | dpkg sarge |
| 20:39.38 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 20:39.41 | kps | fatal_: ok i have installed that now |
| 20:39.59 | BlackRatzz | So, it works when I do it in channel but not "/msg" |
| 20:40.09 | greg_work | fatal_: cool, never heard of that before |
| 20:40.27 | streuner | cn: so the proxy isn't installed on your router? |
| 20:41.13 | cn | strenuner yes it is |
| 20:41.18 | cn | streuner* |
| 20:41.26 | streuner | well |
| 20:41.47 | kps | fatal_: so how do i use this apt-listchanges ? |
| 20:41.48 | streuner | connect to freenode and you are k-lined |
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| 20:42.03 | cn | and i can't use a tunnel by 80? |
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| 20:42.47 | fatal_ | apt-listchanges in "pager + skip already seen + both"-modeis a really convenient way of checking out the changelogs and news... just use apt-get (dist-)upgrade and you'll automagically get a list of all new changes. |
| 20:42.56 | fatal_ | !apt-listchanges |
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| 20:44.01 | kps | fatal_: ok thanks |
| 20:44.31 | fatal_ | dpkg: apt-listchanges is apt-listchanges in "pager + skip already seen + both"-mode is a really convenient way of checking out the changelogs and news... just use apt-get (dist-)upgrade and you'll automagically get a list of all new changes when upgrading packages. |
| 20:44.31 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, fatal_ |
| 20:44.58 | fatal_ | :/ |
| 20:45.15 | kps | heh |
| 20:45.36 | fatal_ | I guess adding stuff to the bot isn't for everyone... |
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| 20:49.31 | destiny | hi |
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| 20:51.01 | spoopin | getmail |
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| 20:52.04 | xerophyte | can you have udev and devfs together just wondering |
| 20:52.25 | destiny | xerophyte: ? |
| 20:52.33 | streuner | you mean you want cancer and a headattack together? |
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| 20:53.11 | streuner | *shakes his head* |
| 20:53.12 | BlackRatzz | kk |
| 20:53.25 | xerophyte | destiny, i mean 2.4 need devfs and 2.6 need udev just wondering if i install udev is there anyway i can reboot with 2.4 |
| 20:53.43 | greycat | nobody needs devfs or udev |
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| 20:55.31 | xerophyte | greycat, ??? |
| 20:55.45 | streuner | Which bit isn't clear enough? |
| 20:55.52 | sward | xerophyte: MAKEDEV, mknod |
| 20:56.23 | destiny | xerophyte: doesnt work that way |
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| 20:57.28 | the13th | uhm - anyone knows the command to get the decss stuff? because I just wanted to watch a dvd... |
| 20:57.44 | streuner | the13th: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:57.58 | Skiflyer | I'm trying to script an rsync task, and even though I've supplied the --password-file=file option, it's still prompting me for a password when I run the script, anyone have any ideas? |
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| 20:58.21 | xerophyte | destiny, so you if you install udev you can not put with 2.4 is that right |
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| 20:59.13 | destiny | xerophyte: what are u trying to achieve exactly? |
| 20:59.23 | destiny | whats your main objective? |
| 20:59.24 | streuner | destiny: that has nothing to do with intolerance, the fact is that you have only more headaches with devfs or udev. |
| 20:59.47 | streuner | destiny: just don't use it. |
| 20:59.56 | xerophyte | destiny, had 2.4 box .. and i installed udev and 2.6 now i could not boot the 2.4 kernel just wondering why |
| 20:59.56 | the13th | thx |
| 21:00.16 | destiny | xerophyte: ah ok |
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| 21:00.21 | harpiain | hi! I have a cybercafe and I want to block some sites on the Internet. Could you suggest me an application? |
| 21:00.40 | destiny | harpiain: do u have free hot chocolate? :) |
| 21:00.48 | dafe | how can i write latin small letter n with tilde? |
| 21:00.58 | TheGnome | my screensaver and power management is broken.......anybody else have this problem? |
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| 21:01.17 | destiny | TheGnome: u dont get that prob with KDE |
| 21:01.21 | destiny | :) |
| 21:01.33 | WvW|TheBigK| | i try to play a dvd... but if i click in the dvd menu to play the movie, every player crashs with the error: source cant be read, may be u dont have enough rights or source doesnt contain data... |
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| 21:01.38 | WvW|TheBigK| | is this a problem of the dvd? |
| 21:01.46 | xerophyte | destiny, do you know how can i reboot back to 2.4 |
| 21:01.48 | TheGnome | destiny, hmmm.......point taken |
| 21:01.49 | szzs | hi, i compiled a new kernel. now my scroll doesnt work on my mouse. what should i do? |
| 21:01.52 | WvW|TheBigK| | i think under windows i can play it |
| 21:01.54 | destiny | WvW|TheBigK|: tried a diff DVD? |
| 21:01.59 | WvW|TheBigK| | diff dvd? |
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| 21:02.03 | TheGnome | brb |
| 21:02.08 | destiny | xerophyte: sorry no idea |
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| 21:02.12 | WvW|TheBigK| | whats that.. |
| 21:02.31 | WvW|TheBigK| | is it a player? |
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| 21:02.40 | destiny | diff = different |
| 21:02.48 | WvW|TheBigK| | yes, i did several players |
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| 21:02.59 | WvW|TheBigK| | okle, xine |
| 21:03.09 | cureless | WvW|TheBigK|: have you tried vlc? Do you have the decss lib? (or whatever it's called) |
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| 21:03.13 | WvW|TheBigK| | and kaffeine |
| 21:03.27 | TheGnome | ok.............the thing with kde is.....when I make desktop icons....they show up on gnome desktop too....how can i stop this? |
| 21:03.34 | destiny | WvW|TheBigK|: have u tried a different DVD? |
| 21:03.36 | cureless | WvW|TheBigK|: do any other dvds work (like destiny said) |
| 21:03.36 | harpiain | destiny, what is "hot chocolate"? |
| 21:03.42 | WvW|TheBigK| | i tried to play with vlc the other files (not the menu) |
| 21:03.44 | WvW|TheBigK| | he cant play |
| 21:03.52 | destiny | harpiain: its a drink |
| 21:03.59 | WvW|TheBigK| | i have to look... wait |
| 21:04.05 | cureless | WvW|TheBigK|: you're probably missing the libdecss (or however it's called) |
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| 21:04.11 | destiny | cureless: hehe |
| 21:04.16 | the13th | TheGnome: simply stop hopping wm's ;) |
| 21:04.36 | WvW|TheBigK| | hmm... umount fails... how can i force to unmount? |
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| 21:04.44 | TheGnome | the13th, lol....i guess that is an option..........which do you use? |
| 21:04.52 | WvW|TheBigK| | hmm, where can i get it |
| 21:04.55 | cureless | WvW|TheBigK|: have I mentioned that your problem is probably related to libdecss? |
| 21:05.00 | the13th | kde is the wm of my choice |
| 21:05.11 | destiny | yeah |
| 21:05.14 | cureless | WvW|TheBigK|: I don't know, try google. |
| 21:05.23 | destiny | cureless: yeah you mentioned that ;) |
| 21:05.26 | TheGnome | well......there not exactly wm |
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| 21:05.37 | cureless | destiny: not to you :-P |
| 21:05.45 | TheGnome | gnome uses metacity wm |
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| 21:05.50 | goodshit | anyone good with cron? will this 45 3 1-7,14-21 * 0 . that valid ? will execute on 1st and 3rd sunday on month ? anyone know? |
| 21:05.57 | destiny | cureless: :) |
| 21:06.01 | TheGnome | how can i get kde 3.4.2? |
| 21:06.02 | lilldude | hello |
| 21:06.04 | TheGnome | compile it? |
| 21:06.12 | lilldude | i got kde working and wirless |
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| 21:06.15 | destiny | TheGnome: apt-get |
| 21:06.19 | lilldude | thanks to all you guys |
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| 21:06.25 | TheGnome | destiny, no |
| 21:06.28 | destiny | lilldude: you are welcome |
| 21:06.31 | boogie | !win lilldude |
| 21:06.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, lilldude! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 21:06.32 | TheGnome | destiny, 3.4.2 |
| 21:06.39 | szzs | hi, i compiled a new kernel. now my scroll doesnt work on my mouse. what should i do? |
| 21:06.40 | the13th | !tell TheGnome kde3.4 |
| 21:06.47 | the13th | hmmm |
| 21:06.52 | lilldude | great dpkg send en to me |
| 21:07.07 | destiny | szzs: why did you fix something that wasnt broken in the first place? |
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| 21:07.21 | lilldude | how do you slow down mouse in kde |
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| 21:07.28 | lilldude | new optical is to fast fro me |
| 21:07.29 | szzs | destiny: is it so relevant why i recompiled a kernel? |
| 21:07.31 | destiny | szzs: why did you compile a new kernel for when everything was working before? |
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| 21:07.42 | TheGnome | szzs, if you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it gives you the scroll option |
| 21:07.57 | WvW|TheBigK| | i try to take another dvd |
| 21:08.00 | TheGnome | !kde3.4 |
| 21:08.00 | dpkg | it has been said that kde3.4 is not really packaged yet, or see http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34, or not supported anywhere, *particularly* not #debian |
| 21:08.05 | szzs | TheGnome: thanks |
| 21:08.09 | destiny | WvW|TheBigK|: yes try another DVD |
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| 21:08.27 | destiny | !encryption |
| 21:08.30 | boogie | lilldude: probably somewhere in kcontrol. |
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| 21:09.09 | destiny | !kpgp |
| 21:09.09 | lilldude | ok il look there |
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| 21:09.20 | TheGnome | hmmmmmm |
| 21:09.22 | TheGnome | brb |
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| 21:10.24 | lilldude | were is kcontrol |
| 21:10.30 | colera | where are the different scripts for the runlevels located? |
| 21:10.34 | boogie | it's in a terminal |
| 21:10.37 | lokkju | anyone have some clue on using the -rpath directive when compiling to set a default path to search for dynamically loaded libraries? I am trying to compile a elf so that it searches in in the ./lib subdirectory of the directory it is in, before searching the standard paths |
| 21:10.44 | destiny | lilldude: u need to practise patience and seek first for yourself |
| 21:10.53 | boogie | lilldude: or look for the KDE Control Center. |
| 21:11.02 | boogie | hehe yeah |
| 21:11.05 | lokkju | supposdly, this is possible with -rpath option to gcc, but I am getting nowhere |
| 21:11.07 | lilldude | alright destuiny |
| 21:11.13 | lilldude | il not speak here |
| 21:11.22 | destiny | lilldude: its good habit to develop, patience ;) |
| 21:11.38 | boogie | yes lilldude, if one is going to learn linux, one must develop a certain amount of self-reliance. |
| 21:11.54 | destiny | lilldude: no need to be a cry baby! no1 said you cant speak here. im just encouraging you to seek first for yoruself before you ask |
| 21:12.12 | destiny | boogie: I agree |
| 21:12.46 | destiny | imho, no1 should be using Linux if they not prepared to be patient and learn |
| 21:12.54 | boogie | very true. |
| 21:12.58 | lokkju | and rtfm :) |
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| 21:13.09 | boogie | you have to be willing to poke around. |
| 21:13.10 | destiny | Linux is not like MS windows, where you dont need to learn anything :P |
| 21:13.19 | destiny | boogie: I agree |
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| 21:13.50 | dondelelcaro | lokkju: you generally don't want to go mucking about with rpaths for that, because it sets absolute linker paths. |
| 21:13.52 | destiny | besides, its fun being patient, exploring, learning and understanding the power of Debian and Linux :) |
| 21:13.57 | dondelelcaro | lokkju: use LD_LIBRARY_PATH instead |
| 21:14.02 | WvW|TheBigK| | same error too, i think :/ |
| 21:14.09 | boogie | yep |
| 21:14.11 | dondelelcaro | lokkju: man ld.so; will explain it. |
| 21:14.28 | Coag | turtle4, openbsd ftw |
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| 21:14.40 | lokkju | dondelelcaro, but LD_LIBRARY_PATH will only set it for the host system, correct? |
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| 21:14.54 | boogie | turtle4: is it a hot-A dual-cpu G5 with tons of RAM and a killer vidcard? |
| 21:15.03 | dondelelcaro | lokkju: it will only set it for the shell that has LD_LIBRARY_PATH running |
| 21:15.05 | lokkju | dondelelcaro, I want the elf, when on the target system, to search it's subdirectory first |
| 21:15.07 | Gixbit | lol took me 5 hours to install java runtime module on fedora core 3 but i did it myself |
| 21:15.12 | deadcat | my mutt config is not replying to the mailinglist when i hit r for reply. whats up? |
| 21:15.17 | boogie | yay! for Gixbit. |
| 21:15.21 | colera | boogie: destiny you sound like wierd linux parents : ) |
| 21:15.26 | boogie | hehe |
| 21:15.39 | destiny | colera: lol |
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| 21:15.41 | boogie | now eat your iptables! |
| 21:15.41 | lokkju | dondelelcaro, exaclty, so it is useless - -rpath however, sets it for the TARGET system |
| 21:15.42 | destiny | :) |
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| 21:15.43 | WvW|TheBigK| | hmm |
| 21:15.47 | Gixbit | the only reason why iam in debian because it both supports my video card and network card better |
| 21:15.51 | WvW|TheBigK| | i play a dvd from my ntfs harddrive |
| 21:15.52 | WvW|TheBigK| | that works |
| 21:16.03 | WvW|TheBigK| | how should be the rights for the dvd? |
| 21:16.05 | Coag | i sure wish any distro supported my wireless nic |
| 21:16.07 | colera | WvW|TheBigK|: what program do you use for that? |
| 21:16.14 | Coag | but i am lucky enough to be able to be wired |
| 21:16.33 | WvW|TheBigK| | noatun |
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| 21:16.39 | dondelelcaro | lokkju: it sets it for the binary that you're running, yes; However, you generally use it to set absolute paths, not relative ones. |
| 21:16.49 | vorpal | question about nfs + nis + home directories. i have an environment where home directories are mounted over nfs. they are currently residing on a single file server, but i would like to start distributing the home directories to multiple file servers. is there a way to specify the location of a user directory (in /etc/passwd) in the form "host:/path/to/dir", or does it have to be relative to the local file system? |
| 21:16.54 | colk | does anyone know a good howto for port fowarding using iptables |
| 21:16.58 | Gixbit | yea i'am going to download all the cd's and burn |
| 21:17.01 | Gixbit | every single one |
| 21:17.07 | Gixbit | don't argue i'am doing it |
| 21:17.11 | dondelelcaro | lokkju: setting a relative path like that is just asking for your program to be trivially exploitable if it ever is run in a directory controlled by another user. |
| 21:17.14 | Gixbit | yay for time consuming |
| 21:17.14 | Gixbit | XD |
| 21:17.18 | Coag | hmm |
| 21:17.22 | Coag | i did a netinstall |
| 21:17.31 | Coag | how many cd's would it be for a totally non-net install |
| 21:17.32 | colk | Gixbit, good luck finding a mirror thattl let you get all the cds |
| 21:17.32 | lokkju | dondelelcaro, is there any reason I can't use it to set elative? or is there something better to use to set relative? I don't want to muk around with changing env variables on the target system |
| 21:17.33 | Gixbit | wireless card |
| 21:17.33 | Gixbit | lool |
| 21:17.44 | dondelelcaro | lokkju: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 21:17.49 | Gixbit | 14 |
| 21:17.52 | FarrisG | If I have dhcp3 running on a machine and it's currently giving out IPs on the 192.168.51.x network, can you have it assign certain hosts (based on rules I've already figured out) IP addresses not in that subnet? Such as 192.168.52.x? |
| 21:17.52 | Coag | Gixbit, what card? |
| 21:17.58 | Gixbit | linksys |
| 21:18.00 | Gixbit | wmp11 |
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| 21:18.04 | Gixbit | G |
| 21:18.08 | dondelelcaro | lokkju: setting the env variables to the absolute path is far preferable to setting a relative rpath in the binary. |
| 21:18.09 | Coag | wmp54g here |
| 21:18.27 | Coag | nothing supports my wireless |
| 21:18.33 | Gixbit | oh |
| 21:18.34 | Coag | have to go through ndiswrapper |
| 21:18.39 | Gixbit | yea |
| 21:18.41 | Gixbit | exactly |
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| 21:18.48 | Coag | Gixbit, i also recently transfered fromm fedora core 3 |
| 21:18.48 | Gixbit | did you do net install? |
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| 21:18.53 | lokkju | dondelelcaro, I am trying to write it so that it, and it's libraries, are relocatable to any path, without having to set any LD_DYNAMIC_PATH, or anything like that |
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| 21:18.55 | boogie | I think that's what I put in my sister's computer. |
| 21:18.59 | Coag | Gixbit, yeah i did |
| 21:19.04 | Gixbit | how???????????????????????????????/ |
| 21:19.05 | deedend | the 2.6.12 kernel-headers are out??? |
| 21:19.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell Gixbit -about pe |
| 21:19.11 | dondelelcaro | !tell Gixbit -about ep |
| 21:19.14 | Coag | Gixbit, im able to be wired |
| 21:19.15 | quiet | is there a way to have more than one kicker panel?? i want a panel at the bottom for icon selection and clock and I want taskbar and primary k-menu at the top |
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| 21:19.20 | Jauh | hello all. Can anyone help me with descriptions of terminal modes described in <term.h>? |
| 21:19.22 | Gixbit | wired? |
| 21:19.28 | Coag | quiet, very possible |
| 21:19.34 | Coag | quiet, i have two |
| 21:19.42 | WvW|TheBigK| | aerm... what i can do :/ |
| 21:19.44 | Coag | quiet, right click on it and add a child panel |
| 21:19.46 | WvW|TheBigK| | dvd from hdd works |
| 21:19.48 | lilldude | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.50 | lilldude | thanks |
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| 21:20.01 | dondelelcaro | lokkju: yes, so write a script that actually runs the program after setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH correctly; see what mozilla and friends do. |
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| 21:20.05 | destiny | free advice: Don't fix the sink if it's not broken :) |
| 21:20.07 | Coag | Gixbit, i am connected to my network through a wired network interface |
| 21:20.18 | spoof_ | dondelelcaro, check the linux-headers |
| 21:20.19 | Coag | destiny, aww why not ;) |
| 21:20.22 | Gixbit | meaning? |
| 21:20.23 | quiet | outstanding.. thank you Coag |
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| 21:20.27 | Gixbit | you routed a cable? |
| 21:20.29 | Gixbit | or |
| 21:20.30 | destiny | more free advice: Don't upgrade your sink if it's not broken and still works :) |
| 21:20.30 | lokkju | dondelelcaro, yes, but that is the exact thing I do NOT want it to do |
| 21:20.31 | deedend | I need that headers because sid upgrade to thath kernel, and i must recompile (with the appopriate headers) the ipw2200 module. But, if I haven't the headers, how to?? And I don't find that package |
| 21:20.33 | Coag | quiet, not a problem buddy |
| 21:20.35 | destiny | Coag: ;) |
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| 21:20.51 | lith | is there a log of all of the sudo commands that have been executedon a system? |
| 21:20.53 | deedend | the kerenl-headers-2.6.12 |
| 21:20.53 | Coag | Gixbit, yeah im connect through a network cable |
| 21:20.55 | dondelelcaro | lokkju: why not? setting rpath to a relative value is 1) insecure 2) liable to break things in strange ways |
| 21:21.03 | Gixbit | lucky yuo |
| 21:21.05 | Gixbit | you* |
| 21:21.06 | spoof_ | deedend, linux-headers-2.6 |
| 21:21.07 | dondelelcaro | lokkju: the method I've given you solves all of your problems. |
| 21:21.10 | Coag | yeah i know |
| 21:21.24 | lokkju | other then it requires a shell script, which is not preffered |
| 21:21.31 | deedend | spoof_, I'ts not necessary the 2.6.12??? |
| 21:21.33 | janko | hello, please how can i found out, from which ip address somebody floods me? i have debian sarge, some iptables firewall script from net... |
| 21:21.45 | dondelelcaro | lokkju: who cares? You're going to exec the thing in a shell anyway. |
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| 21:22.06 | lokkju | dondelelcaro, it is yet another file... |
| 21:22.14 | WvW|TheBigK| | hmm... i will try tomorrow... |
| 21:22.18 | dondelelcaro | lokkju: if that's actually an argument, statically link the thing. |
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| 21:22.27 | lokkju | trust me, I am considering it |
| 21:22.31 | WvW|TheBigK| | thanks for your help... although it doesnt work... nice guys ;) |
| 21:22.32 | WvW|TheBigK| | bye |
| 21:22.33 | Coag | i thinkk i like debian guys :> |
| 21:22.49 | Coag | minus one of those k's |
| 21:22.59 | dondelelcaro | lokkju: we're talking about a 5 line (or less) shell script to actually do the call... it's about as trivial as you can get. |
| 21:23.21 | boogie | janko: iftop, maybe. |
| 21:23.33 | destiny | szzs: free advice: Don't upgrade your sink if it's not broken and still works :) |
| 21:23.36 | janko | iftop: command not found ........ |
| 21:23.43 | Coag | destiny, ive learned that |
| 21:23.50 | streuner | !tell janko about search |
| 21:23.51 | destiny | Coag: me too ;) |
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| 21:24.00 | boogie | janko: it's part of debian. |
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| 21:24.04 | boogie | so just look. |
| 21:24.05 | Coag | Free advice: do NOT attempt to use other distros packagement utilities on your distro |
| 21:24.09 | dondelelcaro | janko: ntop; or just looking at a tcpdump will do it too. |
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| 21:24.49 | samuel | hello all |
| 21:24.51 | destiny | Coag: many times the urge is very very strong to upgrade :P but I dont follow through anymore. i donx fix or upgrade anything anymore if its still working. |
| 21:25.02 | Coag | yeah |
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| 21:25.28 | destiny | Coag: i would only upgrade kernel etc if there is a security issue involved |
| 21:25.29 | janko | and some firewall logs are stored somewhere...? |
| 21:26.03 | Coag | ive upgraded my kernel from 2.4.x to 2.6.8 and it will stay for a while im sure |
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| 21:26.20 | TheGnome | how do i find out processor info? |
| 21:26.22 | boogie | I'm with destiny. I did the sid thing for a while. It gets to be a bit much to keep up with, sometimes. |
| 21:26.36 | destiny | boogie: yeah |
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| 21:26.52 | boogie | whereas sarge is, well, just perfect for my needs. |
| 21:26.59 | destiny | Coag: wise decision and many of nights you sleep well ;) |
| 21:27.09 | Coag | ;) |
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| 21:27.15 | quiet | Coag, what's the app called that makes window buttons in the taskbat transparent? i remember it's on kde-apps.org but i can't remember it's name |
| 21:27.19 | romulo | how i check the permissions for a device? like dev/dsp? |
| 21:27.47 | Coag | quiet, not sure |
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| 21:27.57 | quiet | Coag, okat thx |
| 21:28.03 | quiet | okay* |
| 21:28.05 | nvz | I can't wait for this gcc4 and xorg stuff to clear up I am so ready to upgrade.. these bugs in sarge are killing me |
| 21:28.06 | maher | TheGnome: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 21:28.29 | maher | nvz: sarge has bugs? :) |
| 21:28.36 | nvz | yeah a fucking assload |
| 21:28.47 | samuel | ive got a toshiba laptop, but im not sure what to look for in the internet... i want to get two different desktop screens into the two monitors... i know the graphics card is capable of doing it, since it could do so in windows... its a toshiba laptop... what should i be looking for plz? |
| 21:29.14 | destiny | nvz: they are not bugs, they are user error |
| 21:29.18 | Gixbit | dondelelcaro: What's wrong with punctuation? |
| 21:29.23 | nvz | the one in gdm just pissed me off, I came back and typed in my username and passwd waiting for my monitor to come back on, then it comes on and I am not in X because gdm failed to restart last time I logged out |
| 21:29.36 | dondelelcaro | Gixbit: nothing, so long as you limit yourself to appropriate amounts of it. |
| 21:29.45 | Bac9 | what's a standard way to redirect to file descriptors other then stdout? /dev/fd/6 doesn't seem to work |
| 21:29.46 | destiny | nvz: and no OS on earth will be 100% free of any type of "bugs" |
| 21:29.49 | nvz | half the time I have to restart gdm before logging in anyhow cause there is some weird xfonts thing going on |
| 21:29.52 | TheGnome | if it states i have processor 0 and processor 1.............does that mean I have two |
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| 21:30.03 | nvz | destiny: sarge has too many too serious bugs |
| 21:30.04 | destiny | nvz: as I said, thats user error, not Debian |
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| 21:30.14 | destiny | nvz: so why do you use it? |
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| 21:30.24 | nvz | destiny: because its "stable" |
| 21:30.31 | TheGnome | i have found no bugs in sarge |
| 21:30.32 | JaL | hi, girls & guys.. i just messed up my sid by dist-upgrading.. kde is now gone ;) is there anywhere i can reverse to 3.4.1 ? or am i juste screwed there ? ( i actually already blaming myself for not reading the ml enough ) |
| 21:30.35 | destiny | nvz: if Debian is soo bad as you claim, why use it? |
| 21:30.40 | nvz | destiny: at worst case I only have to deal with the bugs I have now |
| 21:30.45 | TheGnome | if it states i have processor 0 and processor 1.............does that mean I have two |
| 21:31.06 | boogie | that, or you have a hyperthreading P4. |
| 21:31.07 | destiny | JaL: did no1 tell you to NEVER dist-upgrade? |
| 21:31.08 | nvz | TheGnome: you are either blind , cant see, or are not looking |
| 21:31.09 | tech9iner | heylo all.. |
| 21:31.16 | tech9iner | anyone present compiled or rpm packaged a working driver for any of the 'POS' ;] AIO lexmark for instance or example x4270 Please ? |
| 21:31.20 | JaL | destiny yeah yeah ;) i know ... i'm lame |
| 21:31.30 | maher | TheGnome: yes |
| 21:31.30 | destiny | JaL: not lame, just human learning |
| 21:31.31 | r3v | JaL: dpkg -i the old version in /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 21:31.32 | tech9iner | me lilly livered brain.. isnt comprehending wtf it takes to get lexmarks lilly livered linux driver support printing on linux.. ;[ ;];] |
| 21:31.38 | tech9iner | anyone been through this nightmare of recent times Please an thanks |
| 21:31.47 | destiny | JaL: we all have to experience it first hand to truly grow and learn ;) |
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| 21:31.59 | maher | nvz: ok - sorry I don't use gdm... |
| 21:32.04 | nvz | TheGnome: a lot of the more annoying ones are in KDE anyhow, and I am guessing you use GNOME. you should at least see the xfonts problem I am having as I think it applies to nearly everything |
| 21:32.12 | JaL | r3v, apt-get clean was, of course, also part of the pb ;) |
| 21:32.12 | liable | no, dont do stuff as root. |
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| 21:32.29 | destiny | nvz: I use KDE and I dont experience any problems that you mention |
| 21:32.35 | nvz | maher: I probably shouldnt be logging out using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, but still it should work |
| 21:32.36 | r3v | JaL: of course :), find the old versions on packages.debian.org then |
| 21:32.40 | egon_spengler | Good grief, tech9iner is still alive |
| 21:32.45 | nvz | destiny: I didnt mention them and yes you would if you use sarge |
| 21:32.49 | r3v | JaL: (i did that too yesterday) |
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| 21:32.54 | JaL | destiny usually, i kind of double check for any removal, but, i kind ack the apt stuff a bit too quick that time |
| 21:33.00 | tech9iner | omg egon_spengler !!!! sarge!?.. hehe.. zat you?? |
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| 21:33.04 | destiny | JaL: :) |
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| 21:33.16 | solarix | !ping |
| 21:33.17 | dpkg | pong |
| 21:33.18 | nvz | destiny: mount _ANY_ removable media, floppy, cd, usb.. you name it and view it with konqueror then try to unmount it, you will see one of many bugs I've found post-release |
| 21:33.19 | tech9iner | and kick'n actually egon_spengler rofl |
| 21:33.21 | JaL | r3v, good idea... get -r |
| 21:33.23 | JaL | cool |
| 21:33.29 | JaL | thx |
| 21:33.29 | destiny | question: How can I make an exact mirror backup of my HD to another HD? |
| 21:33.49 | maher | nvz: ctrl-alt-backspace kills the X server - i don't think its guranteed to make sure gdm restarts itself |
| 21:33.50 | nvz | destiny: dd |
| 21:33.51 | Coag | cp? |
| 21:33.59 | destiny | making an exact copy of the HD would be usefull in case it breaks, Then we simply restore it back |
| 21:34.04 | bitshifty | hello |
| 21:34.10 | nvz | maher: no its not but since gdm is a daemon its gdm's job to keep alive |
| 21:34.21 | destiny | nvz: dd makes an exact copy, hidden files, etc etc? |
| 21:34.36 | destiny | JaL: making an exact copy of the HD would be usefull in case it breaks, Then we simply restore it back |
| 21:34.49 | bitshifty | what packages do i need to send/recieve mail? |
| 21:34.54 | maher | nvz: is th ebug fixed in etch then? |
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| 21:34.59 | destiny | so dd makes an exact mirror copy of the HD? |
| 21:35.09 | Coag | bitshifty, mozilla-firefox |
| 21:35.13 | nvz | maher: at some point I installed nautilus and some other gnome-type things and now instead of just putting me into sawfish, it also starts some gnome componants like nautilus.. I dont mind, but in doing this it's taken the "Quit" option out of my sawfish menu so thats really the only way I know of to logout |
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| 21:35.23 | Coag | bitshifty, :P |
| 21:35.31 | nvz | destiny: dd exactly copies raw data it doesnt even know there are files |
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| 21:35.53 | nvz | destiny: it doesnt know there is a filesystem, doesnt know there is a partitiontable. it copies _everything_ |
| 21:35.57 | scorphus | bitshifty: you could use sylpheed, evolution or mozilla-thunderbird |
| 21:36.08 | destiny | nvz: ok thanks |
| 21:36.11 | scorphus | (or ant other else) |
| 21:36.13 | nvz | destiny: it would copy the MBR and all if you told it to copy if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb |
| 21:36.17 | bitshifty | i don't use a window manager |
| 21:36.18 | destiny | nvz: have you usd it yourself? |
| 21:36.25 | nvz | destiny: nope never |
| 21:36.29 | maher | nvz: maybe gdm is trying to start a gnome session rather than just a sawfish session |
| 21:36.32 | scorphus | bitshifty: then try mutt |
| 21:36.36 | nvz | destiny: its what people use to make backup images and to write images to disks |
| 21:36.38 | destiny | nvz: why not? :) |
| 21:36.43 | nvz | destiny: never had the need |
| 21:36.44 | bitshifty | i've installed mutt |
| 21:36.48 | destiny | nvz: ok |
| 21:36.54 | bitshifty | but i don't know what programs i need to make it run |
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| 21:37.08 | maher | nvz: try starting sawfish without using gdm and see if things work that way |
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| 21:37.48 | nvz | maher: probably. it shows the gnome-session splash. I never explicitly told it to do that. all I had was I was logging into sawfish from there, then from sawfish I asked apt to get nautilus and since then its been starting the other shit |
| 21:38.00 | scorphus | bitshifty: do you need pop3 support? |
| 21:38.02 | Asad | i not like new installer |
| 21:38.10 | outlaw84 | what package is GTK devel package?? I get like 50 packages apt-searching for lib dev gtk |
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| 21:38.24 | nvz | maher: I can make an Xsession and make sure gdm is using the "default" session but I've never selected any session ever. I just login.. was doing one thing, now it does another. |
| 21:38.30 | ice_1963 | mutt is for email right???? |
| 21:38.39 | drasko | hi all. I installed mysql via apt-get. Where can I find now mysql_config? Also where is myclient.c needed for c api programming? |
| 21:39.00 | Asad | drasko, type whereis mysql_config |
| 21:39.00 | bitshifty | scorphus, i use GMAIL |
| 21:39.01 | r3v | outlaw84: try searching libgtk-dev |
| 21:39.02 | maher | nvz: right - but if you have certain gnome components installed i think gdm thinks you want to be running a gnome-session by default unless you explicitly tell it otherwise |
| 21:39.07 | bitshifty | *GMail |
| 21:39.09 | Asad | drasko, type $whereis mysql_config |
| 21:39.11 | nvz | maher: thing is I use nautilus and gnome-settings-daemon which is required to make nautilus work properly often to speed up tasks I do. so I like having them around.. I just dont like that its taking functions away from sawfish |
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| 21:39.24 | ice_1963 | ok |
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| 21:39.34 | scorphus | bitshifty: does it have a POP3 interface? |
| 21:39.45 | nvz | actually one of the things I want nautilus to do for me is video thumbnailing, and I instaled all the nessicary packages, but I still cant get it to work |
| 21:39.48 | scorphus | I think it does |
| 21:40.02 | maher | nvz: i don't use nautilus - but last time i did it messed with my bg and menus... I don't know how to run nautilus and not have it do that |
| 21:40.05 | nvz | I run a samba server on here and I want to be able to quickly look and see video and other files uploaded and know what they are |
| 21:40.37 | scorphus | bitshifty: yes, you can enable POP3 on GMail |
| 21:40.38 | outlaw84 | r3v: thanks i only got 1 package now :) |
| 21:40.44 | r3v | outlaw84: np |
| 21:40.46 | nvz | maher: you mean because it binds its function menu to right clicking on the root window (actually nautilus_desktop which resides at -5 ot so depth) |
| 21:40.46 | hns | nautlus --no-desktop |
| 21:40.56 | the13th | anyone knows where i should store status-images for gaim? i just downloaded the xfire plugin for gaim and it doesn't show the new icons |
| 21:41.07 | nvz | maher: sawfish by default and in my configuration uses button 2 middle click, so it doesnt conflict with nautilus |
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| 21:41.20 | maher | nvz: umm... that sounds like it would do it - i almost never use it so its not a big deal for me... |
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| 21:41.32 | nvz | maher: its just something about gnome-session starts sawfish in a way that the "Restart" and "Quit" are no longer menu options |
| 21:41.54 | nvz | maher: which is how I used to logout |
| 21:42.13 | nvz | I like using the kill method because I like having a key combo to logout when I leave.. |
| 21:42.29 | nvz | on that thought I am going to look at the bindings in sawfish-ui see if there is a quit command |
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| 21:43.10 | nvz | ah cool, there is.. I can just bind a quit command in sawfish-ui, problem solved |
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| 21:43.52 | destiny | nvz: dd sounds too complicated, not worth the effort :P |
| 21:44.08 | drasko | Asad, well, that was close. But the real solution was installing libmysqlclient10-dev. After that mysql_config was installed also, along with the headers in /usr/include/mysql (before that there was no mysql folder in /usr/include, and no mysql_config). Thanks for help, though... :) |
| 21:44.13 | maher | nvz: last time i looked swafish had an embedde lisp interpreter... i suspect you can get it do anything you want... |
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| 21:44.49 | bitshifty | scorphus, yes gmail has pop3 and smpt |
| 21:44.57 | tintin | maher you can get nothing and something to do anything you want as well :) |
| 21:45.03 | tintin | just encode them as 1 and 0 ;) |
| 21:45.04 | nvz | destiny: not really all that hard, you supply an infile and an outfile and I believe optionally number of bytes to read. if you just say dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb it should directly duplicate the Primary Master IDE to the Primary Slave IDE |
| 21:45.48 | nvz | destiny: or you could supply and actual image file like of=/mnt/hda.img or something and it would create one big image file you could restore with dd later |
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| 21:46.09 | bitshifty | scorphus, and it requires SSL and authentication |
| 21:46.13 | nvz | maher: yeah if you can speak a fucked up language like lisp :P |
| 21:46.18 | nvz | maher: i am not rahul |
| 21:46.33 | nvz | dpkg, seen rahul? |
| 21:46.34 | dpkg | rahul <rjain@66-234-32-170.nyc.cable.nyct.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 300d 19h 36m 52s ago, saying: 'xmms: just use the debian installer....'. |
| 21:46.40 | scorphus | bitshifty: maybe fetchmail can download the messages |
| 21:46.47 | nvz | its been almost a year :/ |
| 21:46.51 | nvz | no rahul |
| 21:46.52 | scorphus | bitshifty: and you can use mutt to read them |
| 21:47.00 | destiny | nvz: ok, but it seems I dont even have dd on my system! when I type "dd", nothing happens :P |
| 21:47.03 | scorphus | bitshifty: but that's just an idea |
| 21:47.09 | bitshifty | scorphus, what do i use to send them? |
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| 21:47.19 | nvz | destiny: sounds shaky.. I think its base |
| 21:47.24 | nvz | !find dd |
| 21:47.26 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'dd' (15 of 68): 3ddesktop ;; addresses-goodies-for-gnustep ;; addresses.framework ;; addressmanager.app ;; addressview.framework ;; adduser ;; adduser-ng ;; adduser-ng-doc ;; adduser-ng-doc-devel ;; adduser-plugin-bkdinit ;; adduser-plugin-cvsaccess ;; adduser-plugin-eximconf ;; adduser-plugin-eximconf4 ;; adduser-plugin-notifyjabber ;; adduser-plugin-quota. |
| 21:47.34 | nvz | duh |
| 21:47.43 | scorphus | bitshifty: that's what I'm trying to realize |
| 21:47.44 | destiny | nvz: lol |
| 21:47.50 | nvz | !find /bin/dd |
| 21:47.51 | Coag | kuake: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting. |
| 21:47.55 | Coag | what is up with that? |
| 21:47.55 | Asad | drasko, man i just tell you how to find it |
| 21:48.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/bin/dd' (8 of 10): (/usr/bin/ddd) in devel/ddd ;; (/usr/bin/ddtc) in text/ddtc ;; (/usr/bin/ddj) in sound/digitaldj ;; (/usr/bin/ddate) in base/util-linux ;; (/usr/bin/dd-list) in devel/devscripts ;; (/usr/bin/ddv) in science/ncbi-tools-x11 ;; (/usr/bin/ddjvu) in graphics/djvulibre-bin ;; (/usr/bin/{ddns3|ddns3-client}) in net/ddns3-client. |
| 21:48.14 | nvz | ffs!! |
| 21:48.30 | nvz | what the hell do I hve to do to make dpkg realize I mean /bin/dd |
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| 21:49.08 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/dd$ |
| 21:49.10 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 21:49.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dd' (1): (/bin/dd) in base/coreutils. |
| 21:49.20 | scorphus | destiny: there is a program called partition image |
| 21:49.24 | nvz | I thought it was in coreutils |
| 21:49.29 | boogie | !beer dondelelcaro |
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| 21:49.36 | nvz | destiny: yeah its definatly a base package |
| 21:49.37 | scorphus | destiny: aptitude show partimage-doc |
| 21:49.52 | dondelelcaro | nvz: basically, you can't add the leading slash because that's not in the contents file; you really want ^bin/dd$ or similar. |
| 21:49.53 | Coag | anybody? |
| 21:49.56 | rrt_ | what do i need to rip mp3's in debian? |
| 21:50.06 | dondelelcaro | rrt_: jack or similar. |
| 21:50.08 | maher | rrt_: abcde |
| 21:50.09 | bitshifty | !beer boogie |
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| 21:50.20 | boogie | mmm |
| 21:50.22 | Coag | kuake: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting. |
| 21:50.25 | nvz | dondelelcaro: ok. the $ lets it know its the end of the expression? |
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| 21:50.31 | cuti | hey is there any tool that similar to winiso? |
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| 21:50.32 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah |
| 21:50.42 | cuti | i want to extract .iso file |
| 21:50.46 | Dralock | Hi everyone, I have an adaptec SATA raid card with a built raid and am trying to install debian on it. There seems to be no way for me to load SATA RAID drivers during the install, can someone clue me in to exactly what I can do to acomplish this? I would rather not install it on one drive and then mirror if at all possible. |
| 21:50.50 | dondelelcaro | cuti: you don't, you mount it. |
| 21:50.57 | Kane32 | <rrt_> what do i need to rip mp3's in debian? <= cdda2wav and lame |
| 21:50.58 | Coag | cuti, ARK im sure ccan open isos |
| 21:51.01 | dondelelcaro | cuti: mount -o loop foo.iso path/to/mount |
| 21:51.06 | cuti | oh |
| 21:51.07 | cuti | cool |
| 21:51.16 | cuti | thx! :) |
| 21:51.32 | bitshifty | is there a program sort of like aptitude that only shows documentation files and generally makes it easier to find documentation files? |
| 21:51.36 | scorphus | cuti: if you do it many times, add a line on fstab to make things a bit faster |
| 21:51.48 | destiny | nvz: ok its working! but it shows no progress bar! know any way to make dd show a progress or something? |
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| 21:51.49 | Coag | dondelelcaro, what is with my kuake problem? |
| 21:51.55 | maher | destiny: man dd |
| 21:52.02 | cuti | add mount -o loop foo.iso path/to/mount to fstab? |
| 21:52.07 | destiny | scorphus: partition image sounds interesting. works under Debian? |
| 21:52.17 | dondelelcaro | bitshifty: only shows documentation files? Documentation is generally located in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>; man programname; info programname; and apropos foo; will help you. |
| 21:52.21 | dondelelcaro | cuti: no. run mount like that. |
| 21:52.29 | scorphus | destiny: yes, but I still can't manage to find the binary package |
| 21:52.33 | scorphus | destiny: plz hold on |
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| 21:52.45 | destiny | scorphus: ok |
| 21:53.11 | cuti | ok |
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| 21:53.47 | bitshifty | dondelelcaro, in other words, what is the best way to find all the documentation i could ever need in aptitude? |
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| 21:53.56 | nvz | destiny: nope I know how to use zenity to show progress if there is progress information to be shown. else it just moves back and forth the whole time to let you know its doing something |
| 21:54.02 | Gil_ | hey all: monotone: Depends: libboost-date-time1.33.0 (< 1.32.0+1.33.0-cvs20050727-99) but 1.33.0-1 is to be installed |
| 21:54.02 | bitshifty | dondelelcaro, where can i find all of it? |
| 21:54.08 | destiny | nvz: ok |
| 21:54.09 | Gil_ | what did I do wrong? :( |
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| 21:54.15 | dondelelcaro | bitshifty: what type of documentation are you looking for? |
| 21:54.30 | scorphus | destiny: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=partimage&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 21:54.40 | nvz | destiny: I've neither used it or read the manual. I just know of it what i've heard here in #debian the past half a decade or so I've been hanging out freeloading on freenode |
| 21:54.45 | bitshifty | dondelelcaro, all the documentation aptitude has |
| 21:54.51 | destiny | scorphus: thanks :) |
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| 21:54.59 | destiny | nvz: ok |
| 21:55.02 | Squall | ellow |
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| 21:55.17 | Squall | im having problems starting debian |
| 21:55.28 | Squall | i just installed fluxbox |
| 21:55.35 | destiny | Squall: eek! |
| 21:55.39 | Squall | :> |
| 21:55.46 | Squall | well the problem is |
| 21:55.47 | scorphus | destiny: add those repositories to your sources.list and "aptitude update; aptitude install parimage" to install it |
| 21:55.51 | destiny | Squall: why install fluxbox anyway? was your Debian broken? |
| 21:55.53 | nvz | I could make a donation so I wouldnt be a freeloader, but the little bit of money I could scrape up would probably go to various middle men who would be processing the transaction freenode would get like $0.014 or something |
| 21:56.01 | destiny | scorphus: thanks |
| 21:56.01 | Squall | it doesnt go beyond: GRUB loading stage1.5. |
| 21:56.07 | scorphus | destiny: np! |
| 21:56.11 | dondelelcaro | bitshifty: on how to use aptitude? or what? |
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| 21:56.18 | nvz | somehow I figure there is a minimum donation that is worthwhile |
| 21:56.20 | bitshifty | dondelelcaro, how do i view documentation? |
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| 21:56.33 | Squall | destiny: no. i just wanted a light grafic mode |
| 21:57.00 | naoliv | May I resize a NTFS partition from 60GB -> 20GB, without loosing data and using the Debian installer to do this? |
| 21:57.16 | dondelelcaro | bitshifty: depends on the type, most you just use less, man, info, or a browser. |
| 21:57.17 | nvz | ack! got my mouse in a pool of wetness.. we all know mice cant swim |
| 21:58.29 | Xenguy | naoliv: I am not aware that this is possible with the Debian installer to do this, but get a 2nd opinion too; I think you need a 3rd party tool (like Partition Magic), or perhaps 'parted' can do this |
| 21:58.46 | destiny | scorphus: what website is down |
| 21:58.48 | nvz | I got to figure out where roughly $32 of my hardly earned funding went |
| 21:58.56 | scorphus | nvz: was it wireless? |
| 21:58.57 | destiny | scorphus: that website is down |
| 21:59.07 | bitshifty | dondelelcaro, let's say i downloaded the "anarchism" documentation package. how would i view it? |
| 21:59.08 | scorphus | destiny: you mean apt-get.org? |
| 21:59.17 | naoliv | Xenguy: I know that d-i can resize partitions (ext2, ext3, etc), but my problem is if it can resize NTFS. |
| 21:59.27 | dondelelcaro | bitshifty: dpkg -L anarchism; to see what types of files it installed, then view it in the appropriate viewer. |
| 21:59.28 | destiny | scorphus: the http://www1.apt-get.org/ |
| 21:59.42 | aqua | for djbdns's tinydns-conf wth do i put for logacct |
| 21:59.44 | scorphus | destiny: pvt plz |
| 21:59.45 | aqua | the second param |
| 21:59.47 | dondelelcaro | naoliv: it uses ntfsresize to do the resizing; if it's a new ntfs partition, there should be no problems resizing it. |
| 21:59.48 | Xenguy | naoliv: nod |
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| 22:00.01 | nvz | I spent like $23 on something after paying $100 to my credit and having a balance of ~$100 I should have had $76 but I only had $44 |
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| 22:00.20 | aqua | oh nm |
| 22:00.21 | naoliv | dondelelcaro, Xenguy: Right. Thank you! :-) |
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| 22:00.46 | nvz | I know I charged half of my purchases yesturday but they totaled less than $10 so I couldnt have spent more than maybe $5 yesturday at most |
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| 22:01.25 | scorphus | destiny: what debian distro are you using? sarge, etch or sid? |
| 22:01.40 | destiny | scorphus: latest |
| 22:01.49 | nvz | destiny: sid? |
| 22:01.55 | nvz | destiny: or sarge? |
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| 22:02.02 | nvz | destiny: or etch? |
| 22:02.08 | nvz | they are al technically the latest |
| 22:02.19 | scorphus | destiny: you could try www.apt-get.org and search for partimage |
| 22:02.25 | nvz | one is the latest stable, one is the latest testing, and the other are the latest unstable |
| 22:02.50 | scorphus | destiny: if it's still down I paste the repositories on pvt |
| 22:02.53 | Squall | help: installed fluxbox and xorg (from backports) and now the machine gets stuck at GRUB Loading stage1.5. while booting |
| 22:03.00 | Squall | what can i do? |
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| 22:03.09 | nvz | I hate when I ask a specific question and get a vague answer like that :P |
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| 22:03.29 | tech9iner | damn.. egon s.. after yrs.. my first and prolly most generous of all.. linux newbie hand holder.. hehe.. full circle of life now i cross his path again after yrs out of touch.. small world linux is eh.. rofl.. |
| 22:03.38 | mrgenixus | is there a way to mamnge my keyring in gnome... one of my passwords changed, and auth just fials becuase the password is in the keyring |
| 22:03.47 | destiny | scorphus: i got latest, think its Debian 3.0r4 |
| 22:03.51 | nvz | Squall: you can start by forgetting about xorg and fluxbox and giving relevant information |
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| 22:04.18 | scorphus | destiny: I got it, you are using sarge (the stable distro) |
| 22:04.27 | destiny | scorphus: yes :) |
| 22:04.44 | scorphus | destiny: can you hit www.apt-get.org? |
| 22:04.46 | Squall | nvz: like what? its a newly installed system. booted fine before. its sarge (netinstall). booted fine before fluxbox&xorg |
| 22:04.48 | destiny | scorphus: I got it running |
| 22:04.52 | nvz | Squall: as neither fluxbox or xorg could do anything to grub. not even if xorg pulled in 7,000 new packages. because grub resides outside the filesystem and someone had to run grub-install (whatever its called) or change physically something on the system |
| 22:04.56 | scorphus | destiny: good |
| 22:04.59 | destiny | part image is installed |
| 22:05.03 | destiny | scorphus: thanks :) |
| 22:05.05 | destiny | brb |
| 22:05.10 | scorphus | destiny: that's nice! |
| 22:05.12 | scorphus | np |
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| 22:05.41 | Squall | nvz: exept for that, nothing has changed since the last good boot |
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| 22:06.45 | mrgenixus | I need to change an entry in my keyring can someone help? |
| 22:07.03 | TheStick | man gnupg? |
| 22:07.20 | scorphus | it is clear enough |
| 22:07.31 | Squall | nvz: anyway how can i fix it? |
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| 22:10.43 | nvz | Squall: well since you cant boot its obvious you have to do a rescue proceedure like a chroot rescue or such |
| 22:10.54 | nvz | Squall: helps though to know what you are rescuing |
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| 22:11.05 | nvz | Squall: if you dont know whats wrong its hard to say how to fix it |
| 22:11.50 | nvz | my buddy just got off work wants me to keep him company on a car ride. I guess I am gonna go.. lack of anything better to do but sit here and get drunk and help people with computer problems for free :P |
| 22:12.13 | boogie | hehe sitting here and getting drunk sounds kinda good. |
| 22:12.22 | nvz | heh |
| 22:12.24 | Squall | nvz: well i cant think of what else could be wrong, because the time from the last two boots are was spent for apt-get install fluxbox and xserver-xorg |
| 22:12.26 | nvz | thats all I do anymore |
| 22:12.26 | Squall | :/ |
| 22:12.31 | Squall | nvz enjoy |
| 22:12.38 | nvz | Squall: well listen |
| 22:12.42 | james_ | I can't set my resolutions to what i know they can go to, even though they are listed in the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 they are not selectable, this is a TFT LCD monitor, so Horizontal Refresh should not matter... so, whats up? |
| 22:12.43 | nvz | I am not leaving just yet about 10 min |
| 22:12.54 | Squall | cool |
| 22:12.58 | nvz | Squall: its not what you think it is first of all, though it could be a result of installing xorg |
| 22:13.38 | Squall | so the procedure of reparing it would be like ...? |
| 22:13.43 | nvz | Squall: either something physical changed.. cables, drives..etc inside the pc.. or something like grub was reinstalled using grub-install or a new kernel.. though if it were a new kernel it should at least still boot in most cases to the kernel and give more errors |
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| 22:14.11 | nvz | Squall: basic proceedure is booting an install/rescue media to a prompt mounting root partition and chrooting.. from there it all depends on what the real problem is |
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| 22:14.56 | happy_broccoli | is there a way in linux kernel/proc land to turn off file caching so i can have an idea how this performs in an environment when massive amount of different data are constantly being requested from DB |
| 22:15.18 | bitshifty | can i use exim4 to send/rcv mail? |
| 22:15.18 | nvz | Squall: I am not shrewed grub user.. so I dont know much about its errors. do you get an error, or what exactly does grub give you to go on? |
| 22:15.20 | jaker | how to allow write acces on hda1 for normal users? |
| 22:15.28 | Squall | nothing |
| 22:15.31 | Squall | no errors |
| 22:15.42 | bitshifty | !exim4 |
| 22:15.42 | Squall | just that its loading stage 1.5. |
| 22:15.42 | dpkg | [exim4] an easy to configure and also powerfull MTA licensed under the GPL, a great sendmail replacement. apt-get able debs for woody are available at http://www.logic.univie.ac.at/~ametzler/debian/exim4manpages/, or set to have ident checking on by default, which will slow down connect times drastically. See /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/02_exim4-config_options for the fix |
| 22:15.55 | dondelelcaro | happy_broccoli: that won't tell you much either, because large parts of that data will be loaded into cache too. |
| 22:15.59 | nvz | Squall: has to tell you something.. like in Lilo it prints the letters L I L O each one represents another stage of the process |
| 22:16.13 | james_ | Anyone good with X that can help me with resolution problems |
| 22:16.14 | dondelelcaro | happy_broccoli: you're better off running the benchmark in the actual situtation that the device will be used. |
| 22:16.16 | nvz | Squall: if it only prints LI you know it stopped at stage 2 or whatever |
| 22:16.16 | Squall | well this is supposed to be stage 1.5. |
| 22:16.34 | happy_broccoli | dondelelcaro: well it ran at much slower speed before the cache than after |
| 22:16.51 | Squall | nvz i dont have a clue. |
| 22:16.52 | happy_broccoli | dondelelcaro: eg i cat x >/dev/null and it took 40 seconds first time and .8 the next and each time after |
| 22:16.54 | dondelelcaro | happy_broccoli: yes, that's not unusual; however, you'll have caching working in the field as well |
| 22:16.56 | rAz__ | cya |
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| 22:17.09 | Squall | why did debian go to grub? |
| 22:17.12 | happy_broccoli | dondelelcaro: but, i have so much data coming from many different users in the database |
| 22:17.16 | Squall | i remember woody had lilo :/ |
| 22:17.21 | jetscreamer | the error is: /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-config.postinst: line 59: syntax error near unexpected token `db_fset' . |
| 22:17.21 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.22 | dondelelcaro | Squall: you can still use lilo if you want |
| 22:17.22 | nvz | Squall: me either. you need to learn to pay closer attention and know what to pay attention to. never know when will be the last time you will see something :P |
| 22:17.27 | asg | Squall: you can easily use lilo if you wish |
| 22:17.28 | jetscreamer | what should i change |
| 22:17.36 | nvz | Squall: do you know if grub or kernel was upgraded during all this? |
| 22:17.59 | dondelelcaro | happy_broccoli: that's fine; large parts of it will still be cached. You may as well just set up a testing harness that pulls large amount of data from the different users in exactly the way that they will be using the device. |
| 22:18.01 | nvz | dondelelcaro: his big picture was fresh sarge instal and installed flux and xorg and now his pc doesnt boot. he's otherwise clueless |
| 22:18.08 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I am on my way out.. he needs help :P |
| 22:18.12 | dondelelcaro | nvz: heh |
| 22:18.23 | jetscreamer | i need help |
| 22:18.31 | jetscreamer | but it's simple for gods like you |
| 22:18.33 | Squall | i know i can use lilo, but if i will be able to get it working is another thing |
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| 22:18.48 | Squall | nvz: its possible, but i think i rebooted after the upgrade |
| 22:18.52 | jaker | how to allow write acces on hda1 for normal users? |
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| 22:19.05 | dondelelcaro | Squall: if it's stopping at the 1.5 stage bootloader, boot off of a boot disk, and rerun grub install. |
| 22:19.16 | dondelelcaro | jaker: mount /dev/hda1 and give them appropriate permisions |
| 22:19.31 | Squall | dondelelcaro: sarge netinstall is good enough? |
| 22:19.35 | jaker | how give permisions to hd |
| 22:19.37 | nvz | Squall: well best I can tell you without knowing wtf is wrong is booting the install media and reinstallign the bootloader and see what happens |
| 22:19.40 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: what's the line above that? |
| 22:19.51 | shmloe | How do I download a package? |
| 22:19.59 | jetscreamer | apt-setup/security-updates-failed \ |
| 22:19.59 | jetscreamer | do |
| 22:20.06 | jaker | done the mounting |
| 22:20.07 | Squall | ok got any how-to reinstall grub? :> |
| 22:20.09 | shmloe | i tried but it said already installed, but I still want to download the package |
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| 22:20.18 | jaker | and can read |
| 22:20.24 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 22:20.24 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 22:20.25 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: oh, it's got an extra \ there |
| 22:20.31 | jetscreamer | k thanks man |
| 22:20.38 | nvz | oh boy.. one more Jagerbomb and I am out of here for a while |
| 22:20.38 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: the previous line should be 'apt-setup/security-updates-failed' |
| 22:20.46 | boogie | jagerbomb? |
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| 22:20.55 | boogie | is that just a shot of jagermeister? |
| 22:20.58 | nvz | boogie: Jagermiester + Redbull |
| 22:21.01 | boogie | wow |
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| 22:21.08 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: iirc, there used to be tzconfig questions asked there |
| 22:21.17 | Squall | dondelelcaro, nvz: how to reinstall grub? |
| 22:21.19 | boogie | and you were throwing up last night hehe |
| 22:21.31 | dondelelcaro | Squall: chroot to the appropriate device and run grubinstall |
| 22:21.34 | nvz | boogie: adds flavor, and equalizes the effects of the alcohol by restoring the energy you loose getting drunk :P |
| 22:21.50 | nvz | boogie: hey I was sick due to bacardi and food poisoning |
| 22:21.59 | jetscreamer | !dondelelcaro++ |
| 22:21.59 | nvz | boogie: jager has never done me wrong |
| 22:22.07 | boogie | nvz: I know, I was just razzin' ya. |
| 22:22.20 | nvz | heh |
| 22:22.30 | jetscreamer | !wtg dondelelcaro |
| 22:22.31 | dpkg | Way to go, dondelelcaro! Smokin'! |
| 22:22.35 | Squall | dondelelcaro: how do i chroot for sarge netinstall cd? |
| 22:22.39 | nvz | boogie: how long you been around here? I dont recognise you. |
| 22:23.11 | jaker | ? |
| 22:23.12 | dondelelcaro | jägërmëïstër |
| 22:23.16 | nvz | haha |
| 22:23.17 | jetscreamer | Squall: after you mount you chroot to the dir you mounted to... the installer does it on /target if you get that far |
| 22:23.25 | samuel | whats the name of the package that is like deborphan but interactive? |
| 22:23.32 | nvz | dondelelcaro: that looks like crap on my screen was that suppose to be Jagermiester? |
| 22:23.35 | dondelelcaro | samuel: debfoster? aptitude? |
| 22:23.35 | samuel | sort of yes or no questions |
| 22:23.45 | samuel | dondelelcaro, debfoster! thanks |
| 22:23.45 | dondelelcaro | nvz: you need a UTF8 terminal, man. |
| 22:24.08 | Squall | damn i feel dumb right now |
| 22:24.09 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I am not cool enough for utf8 yet. last time I tried it wacked things out |
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| 22:24.14 | jetscreamer | c c c p ti tude |
| 22:24.16 | nvz | dondelelcaro: made things look weird |
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| 22:24.45 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, you have to have the locales set right, and the term set right; once you get it working it's fairly nice though |
| 22:24.50 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I think when you use utf8 locale everything else has to know to use it as well or you get some sort of mis-comunication |
| 22:25.04 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, but most things know UTF8 now days |
| 22:25.25 | nvz | dondelelcaro: like manpages and stuff appeared wrong when I set my local to utf8 |
| 22:25.42 | dondelelcaro | nvz: right, you have to use a term that can support UTF8 |
| 22:25.44 | nvz | oh well Jager goes back in the freezer |
| 22:26.00 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I use aterm or xterm and screen most of the time |
| 22:26.00 | shmloe | how to use debootstrap to install debian? |
| 22:26.01 | destiny | nvz: how long u been using linux? |
| 22:26.02 | deadcat | i always though that if i own ~/mystuff/, i can rm all the stuff inside even some files in mystuff/ is own by someone else.. am i wrong? |
| 22:26.10 | dondelelcaro | nvz: right, uxterm should work fine. |
| 22:26.21 | destiny | deadcat: u dont like cats? |
| 22:26.28 | nvz | destiny: probably about 7-8 years.. I been a debian user and freenode regular for nearly half a decade now |
| 22:26.45 | Squall | can anyone tell me the exact procedure of booting the sarge netinstall cd mounting, chrooting and in the en fixing grub (or just give me a link?) |
| 22:26.45 | deadcat | destiny: its just a nick |
| 22:26.45 | dondelelcaro | shmloe: format and mount up drives; debootstrap woody /target mirror; chroot /target; setup sources.list; install bootloader, reboot. |
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| 22:26.58 | nvz | destiny: first 2-3 years before debian I was also a windows user, when I found debian I ditched windows |
| 22:27.11 | aqua | would somone know why my djbdns tinydns daemon isnt listening on the ip i told it to |
| 22:27.13 | destiny | nvz: ok |
| 22:27.14 | shmloe | dondelelcaro: tried that, but I can't seem to get my network going, any clues? |
| 22:27.16 | aqua | its not listening on anything |
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| 22:27.17 | deadcat | destiny: if some idiot's nick is superman. do you believe that moron? |
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| 22:27.28 | dondelelcaro | shmloe: you may have to bring up the network manually, it's fairly trivial. |
| 22:27.28 | foo | Ok, I just install debian sarge on my laptop, and I am in fluxbox, with xterm. The text isn't all one solid color, black on white, and the text is different shades of white... and since the text is somewhat small, it looks blurry. It is not antialiasing. Any ideas? |
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| 22:27.37 | destiny | deadcat: no need to be nasty and no need to call me a moron |
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| 22:27.54 | deadcat | destiny: i didnt call you a moron. |
| 22:27.58 | nvz | destiny: he wasnt calling you a moron |
| 22:28.01 | destiny | nvz: and why do you prefer to use Debian over all the other distro's? |
| 22:28.04 | shmloe | dondelelcaro: I can list the network in chroot but I can't seem to use it, I was not able to ping nor use elinks |
| 22:28.06 | nvz | destiny: he was calling superman a moron |
| 22:28.08 | jaker | how to allow write acces on hda1 for normal users? i mounted the drive and can read it |
| 22:28.12 | dondelelcaro | shmloe: load the appropriate modulee, then run ifconfig or dhclient or whatever. |
| 22:28.16 | destiny | deadcat: ah i got it |
| 22:28.21 | deadcat | nvz: oh. maybe his other nick is superman (= |
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| 22:28.41 | LFH | Is anybody using freedict? I am puzzled on how to use this orphaned pacakge. I have installed dict-freedict-fra-eng but it seems to contain only files in /usr/share/doc with no binary |
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| 22:28.43 | shmloe | dondelelcaro: when I am in chroot, I don't seem any thing in 'lsmod' any clues? |
| 22:28.44 | Squall | ah |
| 22:28.48 | Squall | thx for all the help |
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| 22:28.53 | Squall | im going to reinstall it |
| 22:28.58 | dondelelcaro | shmloe: does the network work outside of the chroot? |
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| 22:29.09 | nvz | destiny: I tried RH 5.2 first, then corel and they both royally sucked I liked Mandrake for awhile used 7.2 and 8.1 then I got to learning linux and needed something I could get my fingers into better.. started looking for somethin new. I burned Slack, Debian , and FreeBSD at the time, and I liked debian the best, and never looked back |
| 22:29.18 | dondelelcaro | shmloe: can you ping things by ip address? [you'll have to if you haven't set up /etc/resolv.conf] |
| 22:29.20 | shmloe | dondelelcaro: yes sir |
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| 22:29.39 | shmloe | dondelelcaro: I wonder if I need to mount /proc? |
| 22:29.49 | dondelelcaro | shmloe: some things need it, but it's not strictly necessary |
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| 22:29.55 | shmloe | dondelelcaro: any /dev |
| 22:29.58 | nvz | destiny: for the most part debian is everything I ever wanted and believed in, I just never knew it. |
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| 22:30.14 | destiny | nvz: btw, that part image is exactly what I was looking for! It seems similar to Drive Image that works on windows |
| 22:30.15 | JoshH | debian is as close to perfect as any linux distro gets |
| 22:30.22 | nvz | destiny: I've adapted my whole life around debian beliefs in the past few years |
| 22:30.28 | shmloe | dondelelcaro: right after I mounted /proc I can see my network using 'ifconfig' |
| 22:30.43 | destiny | nvz: cool :) i am new to linux for 3 weeks. I started with Simply Mepis, and now use Debian :) |
| 22:30.48 | nvz | destiny: yeah you were looking for a WYSIWYG type app for point-and-clicky people. dd would have done it just fine. |
| 22:31.17 | destiny | nvz: part image is like dd it seems, but it has a easy to use GUI |
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| 22:32.09 | nvz | destiny: the problem with people who been using linux a long time especially right now..when 5-10 years ago linux didnt have all this fancy stuff.. is that we know how it was back then.. and we learned the hard way, and its become 2nd nature to us.. we dont know about these fancy new ways to help newbies |
| 22:32.11 | sdschulze | Some German source (Pro-Linux) says CL-GTK is in Debian; but I don't find it. |
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| 22:32.30 | destiny | nvz: makes sense |
| 22:32.41 | destiny | nvz: this is the man for part image: In case of a problem (virus, crash, error, etc.), you just have |
| 22:32.41 | destiny | to restore, and after several minutes, your entire system is restored |
| 22:32.41 | destiny | (boot, files, etc.), and fully working. |
| 22:32.43 | destiny | oops |
| 22:32.45 | destiny | sorry |
| 22:32.45 | solid_liq | The one thing I think any/all distros need is point-and-click software installation from a webpage, like the way you install extensions for firefox. Anyone heard of any project working on that? |
| 22:32.52 | destiny | was meant for private window |
| 22:32.56 | nvz | destiny: it makes it hard for newbies to communicate with gurus because we are on completly different levels of communication and use of the system |
| 22:32.58 | destiny | sorry for the flood |
| 22:33.01 | lilldude | so any one foound new things about debian |
| 22:33.02 | shmloe | dondelelcaro: I know why, =) I think /etc/resolv.conf is not setup =) but I have to mount /proc |
| 22:33.16 | destiny | nvz: yeah I understand, makes sense |
| 22:33.22 | solid_liq | Or would anyone else like to have that? |
| 22:33.43 | destiny | nvz: I ditched ms windows 3 weeks ago, will never look back :) |
| 22:33.56 | destiny | nvz: due to ignorance, i didnt use linux earlier |
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| 22:34.11 | deadcat | destiny: ya you will. you'll craw back to ms very soon... i can see it. |
| 22:34.11 | solid_liq | destiny: good for you! I ditched it almost four years ago, haven't looked back :) |
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| 22:34.25 | bitshifty | where is documentation saved? |
| 22:34.26 | lilldude | cool destiny i am doing tha too swith over to debian rather than windows |
| 22:34.29 | bitshifty | documentation files |
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| 22:34.47 | aqua | guh why do i even try :( |
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| 22:35.27 | solid_liq | Does _anyone_ think it would be cool to be able to point-and-click install software from a webpage as easily as you install extensions for Firefox? |
| 22:35.31 | nvz | destiny: yeah well for me its a real moral desicion. I used to fix windows pcs and make good money.. now I struggle to make any money.. but I justify that with the feeling I did the right thing. I got sick of people getting attached to me as their super genius and the "solutions" I could provide only being temporary due to the corporate idiots I worked under. I like to find real solutions and move on to new problems |
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| 22:35.35 | traumator | do abiword use myspell ? |
| 22:35.45 | lilldude | destiny do you have printer |
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| 22:35.54 | destiny | lilldude: no printer, why? |
| 22:36.03 | destiny | solid_liq: cool :) |
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| 22:36.29 | destiny | lilldude: yeah! I love Debian and will never use MS windows again! Why use Windows when there is Debian? :) |
| 22:36.30 | solid_liq | nvz: if you develop software, linux is by far the best platform for that as well :) you can't beat the utilities |
| 22:36.31 | lilldude | if you new look at samsung they have debain drivers on install disc |
| 22:36.38 | solid_liq | destiny: you like the idea? |
| 22:36.53 | destiny | I think its simply ignorance and misinformation and misunderstanding that keeps people stuck and locked into using MS Windows |
| 22:37.03 | kantai | Is anyone else having problems with the nvidia drivers and X.org? |
| 22:37.09 | lilldude | once i get my debain all set up and probe deesk il useit more and more |
| 22:37.11 | turtle4 | what's wrong with MS Windows? |
| 22:37.17 | solid_liq | lilldude: for what samsung hardware? |
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| 22:37.33 | lilldude | solid printes |
| 22:37.38 | solid_liq | turtle4: hahah, what ISN'T wrong with windows, you mean? :) |
| 22:37.46 | destiny | turtle4: spyware, virues for starters :) |
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| 22:38.05 | deadcat | why are you guys so bitter about ms if you dont fucking use it? |
| 22:38.13 | lilldude | i got realy nice debian box 512 ram p3 sweet box |
| 22:38.22 | deadcat | s/use/claim not to use/ |
| 22:38.26 | ecobit | destiny: those aren't necessarily problems with windows, as much as inept users/administrators |
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| 22:38.29 | samuel | stupid question... but... how do you get the path you are in in the terminal? ive never needed to do it... |
| 22:38.32 | solid_liq | deadcat: because I _still_ have to deal with all the bs problems it has because of friends/family |
| 22:38.34 | nevyn | destiny: nah. things linux can't touch still.. windows management (Active directory Group policy) all the little custom applications |
| 22:38.37 | kantai | Is anyone here using nvidia drivers with X.org? |
| 22:38.38 | deadcat | samuel: pwd |
| 22:38.40 | amphi | samuel: pwd |
| 22:39.01 | deadcat | solid_liq: do what i do. dont help them. (= |
| 22:39.02 | samuel | deadcat, amphi thanks |
| 22:39.03 | nevyn | destiny: one of the big things here in .au is financial software that integrates with the tax office and stuff |
| 22:39.06 | LFH | anybody knows of a French dictionary (not a wordlist) in Debian? |
| 22:39.10 | kantai | anyone? |
| 22:39.23 | deadcat | kantai: no one. we have xorg running fine |
| 22:39.27 | kantai | hmmm |
| 22:39.27 | destiny | nevyn: if thats true and no alternative exists, WHY THEN do many big compaines only use Linux and no MS windows? :) food for thought |
| 22:39.36 | solid_liq | deadcat: believe me, I try... but they end up making me feel like an asshole if I don't :( (like, get mad at me) |
| 22:39.42 | deadcat | kantai: why dont you tell us whats not working. |
| 22:39.43 | nevyn | destiny: many? some. |
| 22:39.48 | lilldude | is there a md5sum auto run tool in debian |
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| 22:40.03 | kantai | it refuses to start with nvidia drivers, but loads fine with nv |
| 22:40.12 | nevyn | destiny: if you're big (> 100 seats) the investment in customisation is similar for linux or windows... |
| 22:40.13 | destiny | nevyn: you say some. where is your support for that comment? Have you interviewed all business' |
| 22:40.15 | kantai | Can't find a device |
| 22:40.15 | deadcat | solid_liq: download an illegal version of norton ghost.. when they start to bitch. reinstall the whole thing. |
| 22:40.31 | solid_liq | destiny: because those are only companies like google where the employees are smart enough |
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| 22:40.34 | nevyn | destiny: if you're small or medium justifying linux is harder. |
| 22:40.37 | ecobit | kantai: nvidia is the driver you want |
| 22:40.37 | deadcat | kantai: you sure you compiled the driver? |
| 22:40.41 | acad | is it possible to write raw data to a cd? i have a single file that is very large, i want to burn it wihtout a file system. |
| 22:40.42 | destiny | nevyn: how did you conclude only "some" business use Linux? Where did you get the data for this figure? |
| 22:40.51 | kantai | positive, nvidia works fine with XFree86 |
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| 22:40.54 | nevyn | destiny: show me your data for all. |
| 22:41.03 | kantai | and its there when I lsmod |
| 22:41.10 | solid_liq | deadcat: not a bad idea, though I could probably do it legally with dd too if I hook the hd up to a linux machine... |
| 22:41.18 | deadcat | kantai: no clue then |
| 22:41.20 | nevyn | destiny: you're saying many large businesses use linux exclusivly throughout the organisation? |
| 22:41.25 | ecobit | kantai: and its in your xorg.conf? |
| 22:41.31 | destiny | nevyn: well that old trick wont work :) u made the claim, so you tell me :) U cant use that old trick to get out of backing up your comments by putting it unto someone else ;) |
| 22:41.31 | kantai | yep |
| 22:41.42 | deadcat | solid_liq: ya. since "that aint my box!" |
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| 22:41.47 | kantai | well, it is when it doesn't choose to start |
| 22:41.48 | nevyn | destiny: you made the initial claim. |
| 22:41.51 | ecobit | kantai: and you got/built nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 22:41.55 | solid_liq | deadcat: heheh :) |
| 22:42.02 | kantai | well |
| 22:42.05 | beeblebrox87 | is it possible to have dhcpd run a script whenever it gives a lease to a given host? |
| 22:42.14 | kantai | I used nvidia's install script |
| 22:42.22 | destiny | nevyn: so how did you conclude only "some" business and only a small amount use Linux? Have you personally studied this? have you interviewed every business on Earth? |
| 22:42.26 | nevyn | destiny: I am unaware of ANY fortune 500's doing more than pilot linux deployments |
| 22:42.29 | deadcat | kantai: you on your own then. we use the debian way to compile nvidia source |
| 22:42.34 | kantai | ok |
| 22:42.35 | nevyn | for desktop use. |
| 22:42.38 | kantai | I'll try that in a bit |
| 22:42.46 | ecobit | kantai: i used the debian source and built it against my kernel with make-kpkg modules_install and it works |
| 22:42.53 | kantai | ok |
| 22:42.58 | solid_liq | destiny: just look at the job market, there aren't NEARLY as many jobs admining linux boxes as there are for windows boxes. And not nearly as many admin'ing macs as linux |
| 22:42.58 | kantai | yea, I'll try that |
| 22:43.04 | deadcat | ecobit: the prefer way now is use m-a |
| 22:43.05 | destiny | nevyn: you claim you are unaware of ANY f500 using Linux! Where did you get this data? Have you personally RANG them all? |
| 22:43.13 | nevyn | destiny: ON THE DESKTOP |
| 22:43.14 | ecobit | kantai: sorry, that should be make-kpkg modules_image |
| 22:43.31 | nevyn | because it would be massive news if a fortune 500 changed it's desktops to linux |
| 22:43.32 | ecobit | deadcat: m-a ? |
| 22:43.37 | kantai | yep, I'll be back on in a bit |
| 22:43.40 | solid_liq | destiny: besides, don't you have any subscriptions to industry journals? |
| 22:43.40 | destiny | nevyn: have you rang every single f500 company and asked them if they use linux to come to that conclusion? |
| 22:43.42 | deadcat | !tell kantai about nvidia one-liner |
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| 22:43.48 | nevyn | destiny: well no. |
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| 22:43.55 | deadcat | ecobit: module-assistant |
| 22:43.56 | destiny | nevyn: ok i rest my case :) |
| 22:44.05 | nevyn | destiny: you're being blind |
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| 22:44.19 | solid_liq | destiny: just read the industry journals! :) |
| 22:44.26 | nevyn | solid_liq: sigh. |
| 22:44.27 | ecobit | nice |
| 22:44.37 | solid_liq | heheh |
| 22:44.39 | nevyn | solid_liq: and people say MS fud.. |
| 22:44.45 | destiny | nevyn: beliefs are based on limited, incomplete and inacurrate info/data! write that down for future reference, and never guess and never make up data as you go along without SOLID reliable backing |
| 22:44.49 | solid_liq | nevyn: no kidding, right? :) |
| 22:45.01 | beeblebrox87 | nevyn: fortune 500 is a somewhat arbitrary group of companies to restrict your sample to. further, desktop use is not the only type of use. |
| 22:45.12 | destiny | nevyn: when you assume, you make an as& out of yourself :) |
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| 22:45.41 | destiny | nevyn: ok Grant ? :) make sense |
| 22:45.58 | nevyn | beeblebrox87: I wasn't restricting it to desktops.. |
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| 22:46.10 | destiny | question and challenge EVERYTHING you hear and read for accuracy |
| 22:46.10 | beeblebrox87 | (17:43:04) nevyn: destiny: ON THE DESKTOP |
| 22:46.24 | solid_liq | destiny: if just one fortune 500 company were using linux exclusively, hardware support for linux would be much better, and dell, gateway, hp, etc. would all be offering preconfigured linux systems targeted for everyone from secretaries to CEO's |
| 22:46.27 | beeblebrox87 | lots of companies use it for server use |
| 22:46.30 | nevyn | destiny made the initial comment that "08:39 < destiny> nevyn: if thats true and no alternative exists, WHY THEN do |
| 22:46.33 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.34 | deadcat | destiny: wouldnt it be easier just NOT read the article? |
| 22:46.36 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.36 | nevyn | end quote |
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| 22:47.13 | destiny | nevyn: the best advice I can ever give someone, expecially a young fellow as yourself :) is: ALWAYS question and challenge EVERYTHING you hear and read for accuracy |
| 22:47.24 | nevyn | destiny: did you read what you wrote? |
| 22:47.30 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: agreed |
| 22:47.33 | nevyn | big companies only using linux... |
| 22:47.33 | solid_liq | nevyn: :) |
| 22:47.35 | nevyn | name one |
| 22:47.46 | beeblebrox87 | nevyn: he never defined big |
| 22:47.52 | destiny | ask where did that data come from? Who said what you just said? Where and whom wrote that, and are THEY qualified in this field? etc etc |
| 22:48.00 | solid_liq | not even google uses it exclusively |
| 22:48.00 | destiny | beeblebrox87: :) |
| 22:48.20 | destiny | and even so called experts are WRONG more than thay are right |
| 22:48.37 | destiny | Einsten once said "I come to the wrong conclusion 90% of the time" |
| 22:48.39 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: depends on what you mean by "so-called experts" |
| 22:48.46 | destiny | beeblebrox87: EXACTLY :) |
| 22:49.09 | destiny | and even specialist doctors and experts in an area, are MORE wrong than they are right |
| 22:49.25 | destiny | so, ALWAYS question and challenge EVERYTHING you hear and read for accuracy :) |
| 22:49.32 | destiny | good advice ;) |
| 22:49.33 | EvanCarroll | destiny: your a moron. |
| 22:49.40 | Coag | you're |
| 22:49.43 | destiny | EvanCarroll: define moron |
| 22:49.43 | EvanCarroll | yes |
| 22:49.46 | solid_liq | destiny: depends on the expert and what they do. I'm pretty sure an "expert" 'Sanitation Engineer' is always right: "yep, the trash goes in the trash can. Yep, I empty the trash can into the back of the truck." heheh |
| 22:49.48 | EvanCarroll | destiny: moron: you |
| 22:49.48 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: out of everybody who was ever called an expert, most of them were probably wrong. but an intelligent human being can tell the difference between an "expert" and a real expert, and real experts are probably pretty near to being right most of the time (in my experience, for my definitions, YMMV) |
| 22:49.56 | destiny | EvanCarroll: define moron if you can |
| 22:49.58 | meri | destiny: thanks :) |
| 22:50.03 | Coag | EvanCarroll, why do you feel the need to flame? |
| 22:50.07 | beeblebrox87 | EvanCarroll: i think you mean "you're" not "your" |
| 22:50.07 | destiny | solid_liq: hehe |
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| 22:50.23 | destiny | meri: :) |
| 22:50.23 | EvanCarroll | beeblebrox87: that was already established by Coag correction. |
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| 22:50.36 | beeblebrox87 | so then you just said that destiny was himself |
| 22:50.41 | Coag | Coag's |
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| 22:50.55 | beeblebrox87 | EvanCarroll: you said destiny == moron, and then you said moron == destiny. |
| 22:51.00 | destiny | EvanCarroll: no need to be nasty, we were just having a nice convo |
| 22:51.02 | beeblebrox87 | so really, you said nothing at all. |
| 22:51.12 | EvanCarroll | destiny: moron, is someone who makes rediciolus comments, fails to releate them to stupid quotes, and then tries to pass them off as a good philosophy |
| 22:51.12 | Coag | destiny, yeah seriously |
| 22:51.21 | EvanCarroll | the convo is fuck stupid |
| 22:51.33 | Coag | EvanCarroll, does moron apply to spelling? |
| 22:51.34 | EvanCarroll | 17:48 < destiny> and even so called experts are WRONG more than thay are right |
| 22:51.35 | solid_liq | beeblebrox87: maybe he thought we needed an example of what transitive means! :) |
| 22:51.35 | destiny | EvanCarroll: have you ever made a redicolous comment in your life? |
| 22:51.37 | EvanCarroll | wtf |
| 22:52.03 | EvanCarroll | destiny: never, and if i do i surely don't try to pass it off as 49 < destiny> good advice ;) |
| 22:52.06 | destiny | EvanCarroll destiny: moron, is someone who makes rediciolus comments, <-- so tell us all please, have YOU ever made a redicolous comment in your life? yes or no? |
| 22:52.06 | Coag | EvanCarroll, i dont understand exactly what it is you are trying to do here |
| 22:52.24 | Coag | EvanCarroll, other than a pitiful attempt at flaming destiny |
| 22:52.27 | destiny | EvanCarroll: so you claim you have NEVER ever made a redicolous comment since you were born? |
| 22:52.32 | solid_liq | damnit, it's 'rediculous'! |
| 22:52.44 | EvanCarroll | Coag: stop this stupid conversation from getting even dumber |
| 22:52.48 | amphi | solid_liq: er, 'ridiculous' ;) |
| 22:52.56 | Coag | EvanCarroll, it was fine till you entered |
| 22:52.58 | solid_liq | amphi: heheh :) |
| 22:53.00 | zoexi | hello, can I get video/window manager help? |
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| 22:53.07 | destiny | EvanCarroll: I have been coming to this channel for 3 weeks now and this is the FIRST time I been attacked! I have nevr come across a nasty person as you in here before :( |
| 22:53.12 | solid_liq | zoexi: I don't know, can you? :) |
| 22:53.20 | me | hello. |
| 22:53.23 | Coag | EvanCarroll, you entered and it became 'fuck stupid' |
| 22:53.36 | EvanCarroll | Coag: I've been here. |
| 22:53.37 | solid_liq | !annoy evancarroll |
| 22:53.47 | destiny | everyone in here has been great and very nice, and EvanCarroll is the first person to attack me, oh well |
| 22:53.57 | solid_liq | !hello |
| 22:53.57 | dpkg | Hi, solid_liq! |
| 22:53.57 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: regarding questioning everything, would you support questioning some things more than others based on context, importance, prior experience, etc? |
| 22:53.59 | Coag | !irritate EvanCarroll |
| 22:54.00 | dpkg | EvanCarroll: HELP ME!!! who uses kde !!!1 |
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| 22:54.15 | EvanCarroll | go cry about it, and make more additional stupid comments while your at it |
| 22:54.16 | zoexi | I have an MGI g100A card, and a viewsonic 15gs, |
| 22:54.19 | solid_liq | !confuse evancarroll |
| 22:54.20 | dpkg | No, how are our ferret tomorrow, evancarroll? pants of the democracy of tahiti with extra ham |
| 22:54.23 | amphi | zoexi: could you be more vague? |
| 22:54.38 | Coag | amphi, >.< |
| 22:54.38 | zoexi | and my resolution can't be set over 800 x 600 |
| 22:54.40 | me | Does anyone know how to get a Intel 82845G Graphics controller to work in debian? |
| 22:54.54 | beeblebrox87 | is it possible to have dhcpd run a script whenever it gives a lease to a given host? |
| 22:55.00 | solid_liq | hi me, it's me again! |
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| 22:55.15 | Coag | you know what guys |
| 22:55.20 | destiny | beeblebrox87: I question and challenge everything I hear and read out of habitual thought now. My belief is that people believe things based on limited, incomplete and inacurate data/info. So I question everything. |
| 22:55.21 | Coag | what is a good game O.O |
| 22:55.30 | Coag | that i can install through apt-get |
| 22:55.32 | solid_liq | beeblebrox87: I believe I remember reading that it is. man dhcpd or man dhcpd.conf |
| 22:55.33 | Coag | like 3d game |
| 22:55.37 | destiny | Coag: hehe i like that :) |
| 22:55.41 | destiny | !irritate EvanCarroll |
| 22:55.42 | dpkg | EvanCarroll: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses kde hello? |
| 22:55.56 | Coag | dpkg, i r use kde itz fun!!!1one |
| 22:56.20 | EvanCarroll | zoexi: make sure your viewsonic has the correct refresh rates in xorg.conf, don't rely on DPMS it often fails, add the horizontalrefresh and verticalsync rates into xorg/xfree86 config |
| 22:56.21 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: yes, but if something has been wrong many times in the past you will question it more deeply and thoroughly than something which has never been seriously wrong before, no? |
| 22:56.29 | destiny | EvanCarroll go cry about it, and make more additional stupid comments while your at it <-- its been a long time since I seen a person as miserable and cruel as you :( you surely must be an unhappy person to talk to people like that |
| 22:56.35 | solid_liq | !irritate evancarroll |
| 22:56.35 | dpkg | evancarroll: wenas how can I make my mepis werkz kthx |
| 22:56.40 | solid_liq | !irritate evancarroll |
| 22:56.42 | destiny | solid_liq: hehe thats a good one :) |
| 22:56.53 | beeblebrox87 | solid_liq: there's something there about executing "statements" on certain events, including lease commitment, but it doesn't say anything about what these "statements" can be |
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| 22:56.56 | zoexi | ok, |
| 22:57.02 | EvanCarroll | !admins dpkg and solid_liq are abusing dpkg please put and end to this |
| 22:57.02 | dpkg | EvanCarroll: okay |
| 22:57.03 | solid_liq | !hello |
| 22:57.03 | dpkg | Hi, solid_liq! |
| 22:57.13 | zoexi | I will try |
| 22:57.16 | solid_liq | ? |
| 22:57.30 | EvanCarroll | !admin dpkg and solid_liq are abusing dpkg please put and end to this |
| 22:57.30 | dpkg | EvanCarroll: okay |
| 22:57.31 | solid_liq | ? |
| 22:57.34 | Coag | EvanCarroll, the great thing is, me and destiny can have a difference but like i can solve it with destiny without attacking him |
| 22:57.35 | solid_liq | wtf |
| 22:57.38 | destiny | beeblebrox87: the same for both |
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| 22:57.57 | EvanCarroll | Coag: He is being a fucking nit, and this is irc yo uare welcome to attack. |
| 22:58.07 | Coag | no yo uare |
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| 22:58.20 | destiny | Coag: well said |
| 22:58.25 | hennewou | \join #gnome |
| 22:58.28 | Coag | you are the only one i see here attacking anyone |
| 22:58.42 | destiny | Coag: and that shows maturity, being able to share different ideas without getting nasty and attacking |
| 22:58.47 | Coag | we are all able to be well how can i put it? older than twelve? |
| 22:58.47 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: well, there are limits to how deeply you can question something, correct? to absolutely verify any statement is impossible |
| 22:58.53 | EvanCarroll | Coag: so I'm attacking big deal. |
| 22:59.03 | solid_liq | history |
| 22:59.03 | dondelelcaro | EvanCarroll, Coag: please take this elsewhere. |
| 22:59.10 | solid_liq | scroll |
| 22:59.13 | solid_liq | scrolling |
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| 22:59.16 | destiny | EvanCarroll it shows maturity being able to share different ideas without getting nasty and attacking! And it shows great immaturity to act as you did today im sorry to say |
| 22:59.17 | Coag | dondelelcaro, alright im done |
| 22:59.19 | solid_liq | windows |
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| 22:59.45 | meri | destiny: be quiet please! |
| 22:59.46 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: so by putting equal amounts of questioning on credible and non-credible sources, you are decreasing the amount you can focus on the non-credible sources and thus potentially missing inaccuracies in them |
| 22:59.55 | destiny | meri: yes np |
| 22:59.59 | h0bbel | Hey, i just did apt-get squirrelmail, but where is it located by default? I can't seem to access it via my browser? |
| 23:00.17 | dondelelcaro | h0bbel: dpkg -L squirrelmail |
| 23:00.24 | Coag | h0bbel, did you configure it? |
| 23:00.30 | dondelelcaro | h0bbel: that will show you were it was installed; from that you should see how to reach it. |
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| 23:00.40 | h0bbel | yeah, i see where it is... but still... |
| 23:00.51 | h0bbel | Coag: hmm, thats probably my bad. Ended the config early |
| 23:00.57 | destiny | beeblebrox87: realise that questioning on credible and non-credible sources is only determined by how we see things now! perhaps what we think is credible today, in 5-10 years we wil realise it wasnt credible and was false data. |
| 23:01.01 | beeblebrox87 | is it possible to have dhcpd run a script whenever it gives a lease to a given host? there's something in the manpage dhcpd.conf(5) about executing "statements" on certain events, including lease commitment, but it doesn't say anything about what these "statements" can be |
| 23:01.04 | Coag | h0bbel, if im correct you need to set a bind address for it |
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| 23:01.17 | colera | anyone know a good howto to connect my debian box to a SMB print server over the network |
| 23:01.20 | colera | ? |
| 23:01.30 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: in 5-10 years you can question again, but with limited resources at the moment it makes more sense to focus them on things more likely to be wrong |
| 23:01.35 | destiny | beeblebrox87: throughout history, we look back in hindsight and realise what we thought was credible at the time, was not |
| 23:01.38 | EvanCarroll | ... dear god since when did this become #stupidphilosophy, take your conversation or i'm going to continue to make fun of your dumb comments |
| 23:01.44 | h0bbel | Coag: ok, i'll look for it |
| 23:01.45 | EvanCarroll | elsewhere |
| 23:02.08 | Coag | EvanCarroll, just so you know /ignore works wonders |
| 23:02.09 | destiny | beeblebrox87: i disagree with all due respect, for I try to seek truth NOW, not wait for it to appear 5-10 years from now from other sources |
| 23:02.18 | destiny | anyway brb |
| 23:02.19 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: that's okay. it's important to remember that even beliefs that hold up to thorough questioning might still be incorrect. there is no truth. |
| 23:02.21 | h0bbel | Coag: whoa, domain name looks weird. |
| 23:02.21 | destiny | eating :) |
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| 23:02.40 | colera | beeblebrox87: do you really believe there is no truth?? |
| 23:02.48 | nvz | destiny: throughout quantum physics we look back and relize that anything we can draw a conclusion about has already changed anyhow |
| 23:02.52 | Coag | h0bbel, im not to familiar with squirrel mail |
| 23:02.54 | destiny | beeblebrox87: I believe there is truth in everything |
| 23:03.04 | Area-51 | ive got something running on port 971 and 974 but nmap cant identify it and i cant find anything on google about it, anyone know what this is? (debian sarge) |
| 23:03.08 | beeblebrox87 | colera: no, i don't believe anything. but i don't think there is truth. |
| 23:03.11 | destiny | nvz: I study quantum mechanics actually ;) |
| 23:03.17 | nvz | destiny: and in that same respect the conclusion is only where we gave up thinking |
| 23:03.22 | nvz | destiny: ok |
| 23:03.25 | destiny | beeblebrox87: why do you believe there is no truth? |
| 23:03.26 | colera | beeblebrox87: what a miserable existance you have |
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| 23:03.34 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: i don't believe anything. |
| 23:03.39 | beeblebrox87 | colera: i'm happy with it |
| 23:03.40 | nvz | destiny: it was so long ago I studied those things I dont remember the difference, but you are right |
| 23:03.50 | beeblebrox87 | colera: at least, i think i am. but one can never know for sure. |
| 23:04.01 | destiny | nvz: thinking is the hardest thing in the world, thats probably the reason why do few engage in it - henry ford :) |
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| 23:04.12 | Coag | haha |
| 23:04.13 | destiny | beeblebrox87: do you believe the earth is round? |
| 23:04.14 | Coag | great quote |
| 23:04.17 | colera | beeblebrox87: "i don't believe anything" that is the most retarted statement i have ever heard. please clarify |
| 23:04.32 | destiny | beeblebrox87 destiny: i don't believe anything. <-- do you believe Mars exists? |
| 23:04.33 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: no. it seems to be true according to all evidence, but one can never be sure. |
| 23:04.37 | meri | destiny: do you know iterr? |
| 23:04.39 | h0bbel | Coag: k, thx. Looks like i'll have to make a symlink to /usr/share/squirrelmail |
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| 23:04.52 | destiny | beeblebrox87: so we cant be totally sure the Earth is round? ok :) |
| 23:04.57 | beeblebrox87 | no, we can;t |
| 23:04.59 | Coag | h0bbel, no problem |
| 23:05.05 | beeblebrox87 | any more than we were ever sure it was flat |
| 23:05.26 | destiny | meri: no, who is iterr |
| 23:05.30 | Coag | beeblebrox87, why is that, because we cant see allsides at the same time, all angles? |
| 23:05.31 | nvz | if earth was flat I should be able to kick up that sand in my yard and see chinese people runing aroud |
| 23:05.40 | destiny | beeblebrox87: do you believe you are alive? |
| 23:05.48 | destiny | nvz: lol |
| 23:05.49 | beeblebrox87 | Coag: because our senses might deceive us |
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| 23:06.03 | EvanCarroll | destiny: yes we can you fucking nit, we can exit the atmosphere and look at it, and see it is round. we can make the distance from both poles and the cuvateur with satalites, there is no doubt the earth is round, now go kill yourself for spreading stupid yet again |
| 23:06.06 | beeblebrox87 | Coag: even if we could see it all |
| 23:06.08 | destiny | beeblebrox87: are you alive at this time? |
| 23:06.08 | Coag | you know, it seems round form this angle, it could be a triangle ont he oher side |
| 23:06.15 | beeblebrox87 | EvanCarroll: have you ever done so? |
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| 23:06.29 | EvanCarroll | beeblebrox87: no but people have, and gps is public. |
| 23:06.30 | destiny | EvanCarroll is now on my ignore for swearing abuse at me for no reason |
| 23:06.32 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: what do you mean alive? i seem to be, but one can never know for sure. |
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| 23:06.47 | destiny | beeblebrox87: so you are not sure if you are alive? |
| 23:06.48 | Area-51 | how can i re-order the things that happen on startup? i need to load the module/mount some drives before fsck runs and before apache n stuff... anyone know how? |
| 23:06.52 | beeblebrox87 | EvanCarroll: you trust those people. that's okay, it makes sense, they're almost certainly right, but they could be wrong. |
| 23:07.00 | danieldg | does anyone know what could cause (or better, how to fix) a 60-second delay from the end of BIOS to loading the grub menu/command line? |
| 23:07.21 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: i don't know what you mean by alive |
| 23:07.24 | EvanCarroll | beeblebrox87: your retarded, for acknowledging the fact that they could be wrong. |
| 23:07.27 | Coag | beeblebrox87, i think you need to go hiking and get a better perspective on life or something. |
| 23:07.30 | h0bbel | Coag: well, your help fixed it. Thx again. :) |
| 23:07.40 | Coag | h0bbel, no prob bob |
| 23:07.41 | colera | beeblebrox87: i have a couple things i believe about you. that you are a dumbass and annoying |
| 23:07.44 | beeblebrox87 | EvanCarroll: how is acknowledging a fact retarded? |
| 23:07.48 | destiny | beeblebrox87: alive means being concious! Are you conscious ? |
| 23:07.55 | EvanCarroll | beeblebrox87: read about erostostilies, he knew the earth was round with absolute certainty in 800bc |
| 23:08.06 | destiny | beeblebrox87: are you conscious and aware? |
| 23:08.10 | EvanCarroll | beeblebrox87: and he only used sticks, the sun and trig. |
| 23:08.12 | colera | Coag: lol, good one |
| 23:08.21 | beeblebrox87 | Coag: oh, i'm happy with my perspective on life (which is not here), i just acknowledge that it might not be3 the correct one. |
| 23:08.25 | destiny | colera: hehe :P |
| 23:08.33 | nvz | EvanCarroll: go read the freenode guidelines until you start to understand the fine line between channel disturbance and corrective measures. Its like that law that for every action there is an equal or oppisite reaction. Anytime you take action on the channel you have chance of someone not agreeing and thus creating more of a problem than you solve. |
| 23:08.36 | egon_spengler | Would that be anything like Eratosthenes? |
| 23:08.39 | destiny | beeblebrox87: are you conscious and aware of being here? |
| 23:08.46 | beeblebrox87 | EvanCarroll: yes, i have read about him. and i'm pretty sure that he existed and was right. but it was a book, and the book could be wrong. |
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| 23:08.56 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: being where? |
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| 23:09.13 | destiny | nvz: its the first time i ever been attacked to harshly on irc today by Evan! amazing |
| 23:09.15 | EvanCarroll | nvz: but they are not just off topic, they are wrong, and disguistingly wrong. |
| 23:09.17 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: i think i think therefore i think i am. |
| 23:09.21 | nvz | EvanCarroll: see also the serenity prayer. that points out its better to change the things you can, accept those you cant, and have the wisdom to know the difference |
| 23:09.35 | Coag | EvanCarroll, kinda like your typing skills? |
| 23:09.39 | destiny | beeblebrox87: so you now believe that you think? |
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| 23:09.47 | charzero | Why on earth does libant1.5-java need xfree86-common and ttf-bitstream-vera? |
| 23:09.51 | destiny | nvz: i like that |
| 23:09.56 | nvz | EvanCarroll: yeah well it happens to the best of us. easiest way to bring people around is not to aggrivate and tease them, but to be a catalyst and show them what is right |
| 23:09.59 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: no, i just think so. |
| 23:10.02 | EvanCarroll | Coag: so my typing skills and your thinking ability share a trait, defunction. |
| 23:10.08 | destiny | beeblebrox87: are you sure? :) |
| 23:10.15 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: of course not |
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| 23:10.21 | destiny | beeblebrox87: ok ;) |
| 23:10.29 | beeblebrox87 | everything i think is based on assumptions, which could be wrong. |
| 23:10.34 | destiny | beeblebrox87: are you certain you dont know? :) |
| 23:10.34 | Coag | EvanCarroll, although its been a joy talking with you i think im going to cut it off short thank you |
| 23:10.39 | solid_liq | QUIT IT!!! QUIT IT!!! COME ON!!! PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING HELP HERE! IF YOU WANT TO FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER, WHY DON'T YOU GO TO #fight OR SOMETHING!!! |
| 23:10.40 | beeblebrox87 | i'm willing to stake my "life" on them being right, but they could be wrong |
| 23:10.44 | beeblebrox87 | destiny: no i am not certain |
| 23:11.03 | destiny | beeblebrox87: are you sure it could be wrong? So you beleive it all could be wrong? :) |
| 23:11.10 | nvz | solid_liq: relax have some dip |
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| 23:11.11 | EvanCarroll | nvz: I'm not going to sink down into their stupid debate without making fun of them, it has no place in this channel, and none of them have even remotly been correct thus far, these are established phil topics and most of them have been settled, |
| 23:11.13 | solid_liq | or #philosophy |
| 23:11.31 | destiny | solid_liq: ok |
| 23:11.40 | solid_liq | thank you |
| 23:11.41 | EvanCarroll | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.45 | destiny | good point |
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| 23:11.59 | beeblebrox87 | solid_liq: well nobody answered my question, so i switched to philosophy. (question was: is it possible to have dhcpd run a script whenever it gives a lease to a given host? there's something in the manpage dhcpd.conf(5) about executing "statements" on certain events, including lease commitment, but it doesn't say anything about what these "statements" can be) |
| 23:12.11 | nvz | EvanCarroll: just ignore it, or show them what the channel is for. fighting fire with fire just brings more burning destruction |
| 23:12.16 | destiny | #philosophy is empty :P hehe |
| 23:12.19 | solid_liq | beeblebrox87: I did |
| 23:12.37 | Coag | destiny, that is because everyone challenges its existence |
| 23:12.43 | Coag | =P |
| 23:12.43 | solid_liq | beeblebrox87: scroll WAAAY back to where you asked it |
| 23:13.01 | EvanCarroll | nvz: but it helps me vent, otherwise the stupid of irc would drive me to hunt them down and kill them |
| 23:13.05 | destiny | Coag: heheh! good one |
| 23:13.11 | beeblebrox87 | solid_liq: you told me to read the manpage. the manpage was unclear as to what form "statements" to be executed on certain events should take |
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| 23:13.48 | solid_liq | beeblebrox87: I told you that because I remember it can be done, but don't remember the specifics because I've never had a need for it |
| 23:13.49 | deadcat | is there a way to get the debian weekly news to deliver to my email? |
| 23:13.53 | Coag | anyone have a good 3d game i could install through apt? |
| 23:13.59 | Coag | quake2 and kuake arent working |
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| 23:14.12 | solid_liq | beeblebrox87: just write a bash or whatever script, and call it |
| 23:14.18 | beeblebrox87 | solid_liq: "To declare a set of statements to execute when an event happens, you must use the on statement, followed by the name of the event, followed by a series of statements to execute when the event happens, enclosed in braces." -- dhcpd.conf(5). any idea what the "statement" is supposed to be? |
| 23:14.35 | nvz | EvanCarroll: heh. well what I would do a lot is point them to the freenode channel guidelines. its really a well constructed outline of proven methods that work. nobody is required to follow it, its not law written in stone.. its just a mere guideline everyone should try to follow to make things go smoothly and its well worth a read. sometimes you have to read it more than once before it really sinks in |
| 23:15.09 | solid_liq | beebebrox87: wow, who wrote that doc!! I'm sure there must be something more clear on google... |
| 23:15.53 | dondelelcaro | beeblebrox87: it's fairly clear... on foo {blah blah blah blah} |
| 23:16.05 | beeblebrox87 | dondelelcaro: what are blah blah blah? |
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| 23:16.34 | EvanCarroll | nvz: on a different note has anyone ever made a bashbot? |
| 23:16.40 | EvanCarroll | I'm gonig to grab that name |
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| 23:17.13 | beeblebrox87 | dondelelcaro: i want them to refer to executable files, but looking at the manpage and at dhcpd.c apparently they're supposed to be something else |
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| 23:17.28 | EvanCarroll | I'm so doing that! excelent idea, you say !bashit, and the bot submits quote to bash |
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| 23:17.42 | nvz | EvanCarroll: I've been here nearly 5 years now, and I've been off-topic a lot. I just try do it when there is nothing but regulars and nobody has any issues to discuss, and not drag it out too much. its all a gray area. as I said before any action taken could cause an equal or oppisite reaction. dondelelcaro could kick me and you could agree and get all excited and become an annoyance, while destiny could disagree and rage on about how he doesn |
| 23:17.49 | WiFiTux | If I installed the 2.6.12 kernel source, then created a custom kernel, then I did my own, if I apt-get remove linux-source2.6.12, will it do something funky? |
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| 23:17.57 | WiFiTux | I'm not on a kernel-image |
| 23:18.00 | nvz | EvanCarroll: I dont know what a bashbot is |
| 23:18.46 | WiFiTux | nvz: stop the offtopic! geez! ;/ |
| 23:19.34 | solid_liq | EvanCarroll: describe what you mean by bashbot |
| 23:19.48 | Coag | hmm how can i check if im running XF86 or xorg? |
| 23:20.00 | deadcat | Coag: top |
| 23:20.24 | Coag | ohh thanks that is a nice tool |
| 23:20.27 | g00se | beeblebrox87: Those 'statements' are internal config statements i think, not external commands |
| 23:20.32 | EvanCarroll | a bot i'm going to make, that joins this room, so when someone says something stupid like, as was said earlier rather than getting pissed off and feeling compelled to reply, I can just say !bashit, and my bot submits the quote to bash, and I would have already vented to some extent |
| 23:20.35 | solid_liq | beebebrox87: what do you want the script to do? |
| 23:21.10 | meri | is she quiet *g* |
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| 23:21.22 | beeblebrox87 | solid_liq: update a DNS server (zoneedit) that does not appear support the standard DHCP way of updating DNS servers |
| 23:21.28 | destiny | nvz: I have a 2nd HD, and I want to be able to make it writable, for at moment I cant write to it! whats the easiest way to make this HD writable everytime I boot pls? |
| 23:21.35 | Coag | another question, all the load is being put on my ram and non of my swap is being used |
| 23:21.38 | Coag | how can i adjsut that |
| 23:21.45 | nvz | destiny: what filesystem is on it? |
| 23:21.55 | PerfDave | Coag: Why do you want to adjust that? You really want to use RAM if at all possible, swap is slow. |
| 23:21.56 | nvz | destiny: or otherwise why isnt it writable? |
| 23:22.08 | EvanCarroll | Coag: swap is only really supposed to be used when you hibernate, or when your out of ram |
| 23:22.19 | destiny | nvz: ReiserFS, |
| 23:22.23 | Coag | PerfDave, ah alright, i figured swap would be better since i have low quality ram... try pc133 |
| 23:22.29 | destiny | nvz: im not sure why its not writable |
| 23:22.36 | Coag | EvanCarroll, ok thanks |
| 23:22.45 | nvz | destiny: hmm me either. how was it mounted? |
| 23:22.47 | destiny | nvz: I want it to be toally writable all the time |
| 23:23.01 | g00se | beeblebrox87: look for least grant events in the syslog |
| 23:23.16 | g00se | s/least/lease |
| 23:23.29 | destiny | nvz: initially I typed: mkdir /mnt/backup and then mount -t reiserfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/backup |
| 23:23.36 | destiny | nvz: thats all I did! was that right? |
| 23:23.44 | nvz | destiny: hmm. it should be writable. |
| 23:23.54 | nvz | destiny: maybe its a permission issue, have you tried as root>? |
| 23:24.00 | destiny | nvz: yeah, but every time I boor Debian, its not writable |
| 23:24.23 | destiny | nvz: how can I tell it to be writable for my username? |
| 23:24.35 | Coag | chown |
| 23:24.36 | Coag | or chmod |
| 23:25.00 | nvz | destiny: what he said :) |
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| 23:25.27 | nvz | destiny: once you mount the filesystem to /mnt/backup, that dir becomes permissions of the filesystem |
| 23:25.39 | nvz | destiny: you can then chmod or chown the dir so that you can write to it |
| 23:25.42 | destiny | keeps saying "could not write to /mnt/backup" |
| 23:25.55 | destiny | nvz: ok |
| 23:26.01 | nvz | destiny: try typing: touch /mnt/backup/test |
| 23:26.03 | nvz | destiny: as root |
| 23:26.06 | PerfDave | Coag: It's still going to be faster than disk :) |
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| 23:26.15 | Coag | PerfDave, yeah thanks |
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| 23:26.30 | Coag | PerfDave, I'm jsut trying to get everything right for my virtual machine |
| 23:26.33 | destiny | nvz: touch: cannot touch `/mnt/backup/test': Input/output error |
| 23:26.33 | PerfDave | destiny: Read the manpage for mount, you need to apply relevant options to the mount command. |
| 23:26.36 | litage | is it okay to specify the following options for /boot in fstab?: nodev,noexec,nosuid,noauto,ro |
| 23:26.41 | nvz | destiny: even as root? |
| 23:26.46 | destiny | nvz: I typed that as root yes |
| 23:27.00 | destiny | nvz: I loaded shell and su and root password |
| 23:27.02 | g00se | "Before dhcpd grants a lease to a host, it records the lease in this file" |
| 23:27.14 | destiny | nvz: yet it still said: touch: cannot touch `/mnt/backup/test': Input/output error |
| 23:27.14 | g00se | (dhcpd.leases(5)) |
| 23:27.22 | nvz | destiny: strange. root should be able to write there unless its read-only mounted and the filesystem should not have been read-only mounted unless you specified |
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| 23:27.50 | destiny | nvz: yeah its weird and I cant locate the error causing it |
| 23:28.05 | Knorrie | litage: perhaps you don't want the noauto |
| 23:28.09 | destiny | nvz: all I want to do is write to my 2nd HD :) |
| 23:28.19 | destiny | nvz: and I cant write to hdb1 |
| 23:28.23 | litage | Knorrie: why's that? |
| 23:28.33 | destiny | nvz: any solutions I can try? |
| 23:29.02 | nvz | destiny: not that I can think of. did you just make this filesystem? |
| 23:29.17 | destiny | nvz: 3 days ago |
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| 23:29.27 | destiny | and it worked for aehile |
| 23:29.31 | nvz | destiny: I'll be back I am walking to the store before it closes |
| 23:29.36 | destiny | ok |
| 23:29.41 | Knorrie | litage: then /boot won't be mounted when you boot, so you have to do that manually before you can access grub etc |
| 23:30.11 | nvz | destiny: ask the channel about why your reiserfs filesystem is not mountable, include the mount command so people know whats going on.. and any relevant details like it worked before and doesnt work as root or whatever |
| 23:30.14 | BourneAgain | I have a question. I connect to NFS exports from another computer, when I try to shut down the computer, after shuting down the server, they will not shut down. |
| 23:30.15 | Knorrie | litage: i mean the grub config, i think the machine will boot fine even with noauto on /boot (havent tried) |
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| 23:30.19 | BourneAgain | Any hints? |
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| 23:30.32 | BourneAgain | Should I unmount with a shutdown script? |
| 23:30.35 | BourneAgain | For example? |
| 23:30.49 | BourneAgain | umount that is |
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| 23:30.54 | destiny | can any1 help me make my hdb1 writable? |
| 23:30.56 | p1u70 | hi |
| 23:31.11 | p1u70 | which rss reader is better for gnome?? |
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| 23:32.58 | danieldg | destiny: does mount -o remount,rw /mount/path work? (didn't see if you already tried that) |
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| 23:33.18 | rbochan | lol, since when are cmap-adobe-japan1, ttf-kochi-gothic, ttf-kochi-mincho and xpdf-japanese dependenceis for cupsys? |
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| 23:34.00 | foo | How can I upgrade my kernel? I am on 2.4.27-2-386 with sarge right now. Can I do it with apt-get? |
| 23:34.12 | destiny | danieldg: ill try |
| 23:34.24 | PerfDave | foo: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 23:34.25 | BourneAgain | foo: You can install a new kernel with apt get. |
| 23:34.48 | destiny | danieldg: I type "mount -o remount,rw /dev/hdb1 /mnt/backup" ? |
| 23:34.59 | foo | Thanks |
| 23:35.03 | BourneAgain | foo: Install the new kernel and it should automagically add that kernel to the boot menu when you reboot after the install. |
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| 23:35.23 | destiny | danieldg: u there? |
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| 23:35.33 | ____p765 | hey need a lil help here i just recompiled my kernel for the first time and now they want me to update my lilo.conf but i cant find ity |
| 23:35.41 | foo | BourneAgain: Actually, can I just get the .config for it? You see, I'm adding patched orinoco drivers |
| 23:35.43 | danieldg | destiny: does that work? |
| 23:35.45 | foo | For kismet |
| 23:35.49 | BourneAgain | foo: The old kernel should still be avaliable as an option. |
| 23:35.53 | destiny | danieldg: what do I type exactly? |
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| 23:36.00 | destiny | danieldg: "mount -o remount,rw /dev/hdb1 /mnt/backup" ? |
| 23:36.24 | danieldg | mount -o remount,rw /mnt/backup |
| 23:36.26 | BourneAgain | foo: I do not have an expert answer for you on this. Are the drivers compiled into the kernel? |
| 23:36.49 | destiny | danieldg: it said: mount: /mnt/backup not mounted already, or bad option |
| 23:37.04 | destiny | danieldg: any other ideas? |
| 23:37.14 | danieldg | have you mounted it read-only yet? |
| 23:37.28 | yoo | Hi all! |
| 23:37.38 | destiny | danieldg: how do I mount it rw? |
| 23:37.40 | WiFiTux | is it me or base-config in Sid is broken? |
| 23:37.43 | BourneAgain | foo: Then your system installs a kernel there are hooks in apt that run a script that scands for new kernels and updates stuff. |
| 23:37.45 | yoo | i want to use squirrelmail with apache2 |
| 23:37.53 | BourneAgain | foo: When that is |
| 23:37.59 | yoo | but i have error when i starting apache2 |
| 23:38.00 | danieldg | mount -o rw /dev/hdb1 /mnt/backup |
| 23:38.02 | yoo | look : |
| 23:38.14 | yoo | Syntax error on line 4 of /etc/squirrelmail/apache.conf: |
| 23:38.23 | yoo | Invalid command 'php_flag', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 23:38.42 | yoo | Somebody have an idea ? |
| 23:38.44 | foo | BourneAgain: I need to patch the drivers in the kernel, then compile it. |
| 23:39.06 | foo | BourneAgain: Could I get kernel source for 2.6? Then patch the orinoco drivers, then make it? |
| 23:39.17 | foo | BourneAgain: Copy over the old config, and make oldconfig first. . |
| 23:39.23 | destiny | danieldg: that last command you gave me WORKED :) thanks |
| 23:39.43 | BourneAgain | foo: I am not that advanced of a user to know the absolute answer to that. Like you I try stuff. |
| 23:39.47 | Coag | any channels here for windowsxp support? |
| 23:39.48 | BourneAgain | Until it works. |
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| 23:39.50 | destiny | danieldg: can u pls now explain to me what happened? why did it stop working, and what exactly did that command do that you gave me? |
| 23:39.55 | Knorrie | yoo: do you have libapache-mod-php4? |
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| 23:40.35 | foo | BourneAgain: Gocha |
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| 23:40.58 | myo | hello |
| 23:40.59 | danieldg | destiny: I don't know why it stopped working, but that command just forces it to be mounted rw |
| 23:41.22 | myo | i couldnt connect to ftp sites from terminal , when i try to use apt-get update |
| 23:41.24 | BourneAgain | foo: What kernel were you using before? |
| 23:41.37 | destiny | danieldg: when I first did this I typed "mkdir /mnt/backup" and then I typed "mount -t reiserfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/backup" |
| 23:41.37 | myo | coz' i m behind firewall |
| 23:41.45 | destiny | danieldg: was that wrong? |
| 23:41.52 | danieldg | no, that should work |
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| 23:42.03 | foo | BourneAgain: Right now I am running Linux laptop 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:42.05 | myo | how do i connect to any site from terminal via proxy ( 192.168.1.1) ? |
| 23:42.08 | myo | please help me |
| 23:42.12 | ray_ | !mallirat |
| 23:42.20 | ray_ | what is that repo? |
| 23:42.21 | BourneAgain | foo: The newer kernel may work without the patch. |
| 23:42.36 | BourneAgain | foo: Have you researched that possibility? |
| 23:42.37 | foo | BourneAgain: Hmm, what makes you say that? /me looks into it |
| 23:42.42 | foo | BourneAgain: Will now. |
| 23:42.51 | destiny | danieldg: in my fstab it says "/dev/hdb1 /mnt/backup reiserfs defaults 0 2" |
| 23:42.55 | myo | BourneAgain: would you please help me ? |
| 23:42.56 | destiny | danieldg: is that wrong? |
| 23:42.58 | BourneAgain | foo: I had a ton of stuff that worked when I changed to the latest kernel that did not before, that is why. |
| 23:43.19 | ray_ | who knows that repo with mplayer? |
| 23:43.33 | danieldg | no, it should be right. You could change 'defaults' to 'rw' to make it always force rw mount |
| 23:43.51 | BourneAgain | foo: The latest kernel had support for some drivers in it that XP does not :) |
| 23:43.56 | foo | BourneAgain: I see. |
| 23:44.05 | myo | who know how to connect from terminal via proxy 192.168.1.1 |
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| 23:44.09 | myo | ? |
| 23:44.10 | ray_ | !mplayer |
| 23:44.10 | dpkg | mplayer is probably not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 23:44.27 | ray_ | !marillat |
| 23:44.27 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 23:44.50 | BourneAgain | myo: Can you explain what you want to do in a little more detail. Are you using ssh and want to connect via your proxy server that uses iptables remotely? |
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| 23:45.04 | dan2_ | ~test |
| 23:45.04 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 23:45.22 | finn | is there some detailed guide for compiling a newer kernel? (how to check what stuff is needed for the system to work etc.) |
| 23:45.31 | ____p765 | We are almost finished now. Edit the image=/vmlinuz stanza of your /etc/lilo.conf and add the line initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1: <--- what do i do if there no lilo.conf in /etc/ dir ? |
| 23:45.32 | destiny | danieldg: now I cant delete any files of the HD |
| 23:46.02 | destiny | danieldg: how do I change my my fstab it says "/dev/hdb1 /mnt/backup reiserfs defaults 0 2" to rw? |
| 23:46.32 | myo | BourneAgain: my pc is behind firewall ( 192.168.1.1) and i added 192.168.1.1 for proxy setting before i use web browser . it is ok. but my problem is i coudlnt connect to ftp sites from terminal when i tried "apt-get update" |
| 23:46.33 | danieldg | '/dev/hdb1 /mnt/backup reiserfs rw 0 2', but if it's not working now don't change it |
| 23:46.37 | myo | you c? BourneAgain |
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| 23:47.12 | BourneAgain | myo: Yes, just a sec. |
| 23:47.20 | ralf | danieldg: you could look at noatime and notail options |
| 23:47.40 | colera | to extract a .tar.gz file do i just use gzip -uzvf? |
| 23:47.41 | BourneAgain | my0: You have to configure apt-get |
| 23:47.51 | foo | BourneAgain: Drivers aren't patched - impossible. |
| 23:48.03 | ralf | colera: tar xzvf FILE.tar.gz |
| 23:48.12 | BourneAgain | http://www.yoper.com/forum2/lofiversion/index.php/t6505.html |
| 23:48.29 | BourneAgain | foo: nod - understand |
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| 23:48.41 | BourneAgain | myo: see that link http://www.yoper.com/forum2/lofiversion/index.php/t6505.html |
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| 23:48.58 | finn | anybody? |
| 23:49.03 | BourneAgain | myo: Enter these lines in your .profile or .bash_profile, |
| 23:49.14 | BourneAgain | export http_proxy=http://proxy_host:port/ |
| 23:49.14 | BourneAgain | export ftp_proxy=$http_proxy |
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| 23:51.04 | BourneAgain | foo: I understand what you are saying. However, believe it or not the latest patched ATI drivers are included in the latest stable debian kernel. I could only find "patches" when I searched for them. |
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| 23:51.29 | litage | considering that the last version of libsafe was released in June 2002, is libsafe worth using? |
| 23:51.33 | BourneAgain | foo: Could you explain to me about technically what a "patch" means? |
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| 23:51.42 | LFH | so anybodu knows of a dictionary? |
| 23:51.49 | befactory | heyyy hello |
| 23:52.05 | befactory | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.14 | BourneAgain | myo: Did you get that? |
| 23:53.04 | befactory | help me |
| 23:53.23 | foo | BourneAgain: I'm patching the orinoco drivers so I can get the driver to go into "monitor mode" |
| 23:53.29 | myo | BourneAgain: okay |
| 23:53.37 | LFH | BourneAgain: a patch is afile that you `apply` to the source and it modifies the ource (presumabluy enhances it) |
| 23:54.08 | BourneAgain | LFH: Could a driver patch be included in a released stable kernel? |
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| 23:54.41 | destiny | danieldg: can i omit my hdb1 from fstab, and if i ever want to use it, i just mount it from shell? |
| 23:54.54 | BourneAgain | myo: That should work. |
| 23:54.57 | LFH | BourneAgain: yes, usually patches are fast fixes that eventually end up in the next official release |
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| 23:55.13 | destiny | danieldg: can i remove from my fstab "/dev/hdb1 /mnt/backup reiserfs defaults 0 2" ? |
| 23:55.47 | BourneAgain | foo: I hope you are successfull. |
| 23:55.59 | myo | BourneAgain: yeah it is working now except page not found 404 |
| 23:56.13 | myo | do you know any good mirror site for apt-get ? |
| 23:56.28 | destiny | !fstab |
| 23:56.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. |
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| 23:56.35 | BourneAgain | myo: Page not found, what site are you using? |
| 23:57.02 | *** join/#debian ralf (n=matteo@host139-119.pool8255.interbusiness.it) |
| 23:57.08 | LFH | !dict |
| 23:57.10 | BourneAgain | myo: Are you saying the browser no longer works for anything? |
| 23:57.11 | myo | ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian |
| 23:57.30 | foo | BourneAgain: Thank you |
| 23:57.33 | myo | i'm doing apt-get update from terminal |
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| 23:57.59 | LFH | dict AI |
| 23:58.01 | BourneAgain | myo: I hope it works, if it does not you know how to undo it :) |
| 23:58.04 | LFH | oh sorry |
| 23:58.57 | michaeln | is there a guide online somewhere that outlines the process of upgrading to 2.6 kernel on debian stable? I've found a couple for woody to 2.6 but couldn't find one for sarge |
| 23:59.01 | BourneAgain | myo: I was able to access that site. |
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