| 00:00.16 | jetx | Gixbit: main contrib non-free |
| 00:00.20 | Gixbit | PerfDave: what are you saying? Please talk english so i can understand |
| 00:00.31 | PerfDave | Gixbit: The Debian CDs only contain the "main" and possibly "contrib" archives, not "non-free". |
| 00:00.32 | jetx | Gixbit: it was perfectly understandable |
| 00:00.33 | black13 | jetx is there a standard debian kernel .config file? |
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| 00:01.17 | Gixbit | Sorry, i can't understand what you're saying? are you trying to say that debian isn't freeware? |
| 00:01.29 | jetx | black13: make menuconfig will use `uname -r`'s config as a base, if you don't have one |
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| 00:01.42 | nofate | hi |
| 00:01.42 | jetx | Gixbit: learn about contrib non-free |
| 00:01.46 | PerfDave | Gixbit: No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if you need something like ndiswrapper, then you won't necessarily have everything you need on the CDs to get your hardware to work. |
| 00:01.47 | jetx | !non-free |
| 00:01.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.htm |
| 00:01.51 | curby | Gixbit: a lot of software might be free in that it doesn't cost money to use, but it isn't free in the sense that youcan do what you want with it |
| 00:01.53 | jetx | hell, Gixbit, try /topic |
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| 00:02.00 | trent | I installed a plugin for XMMS called LiveIce, I have it configured and enabled, But I think I may need a encoder in order for it to work? |
| 00:02.10 | trent | It doesn't show up it's even trying to connect at all to my server. |
| 00:02.28 | nofate | I have a problem installing debian on my IBM r40e Thinkpad |
| 00:02.29 | jetx | trent: many codecs on marillat |
| 00:02.42 | jetx | w32codecs for one |
| 00:02.45 | PerfDave | trent: Which encoder do you think you need? |
| 00:02.58 | trent | I think I need lame? |
| 00:03.04 | concept10 | non-free is great as long as I dont pay for it :) |
| 00:03.30 | trent | PerfDave, Have you ever ran a DJ from a linux computer? |
| 00:03.41 | PerfDave | trent: God no. |
| 00:03.42 | X2 | bye, guys |
| 00:03.47 | curby | i have. chased him off with a stick |
| 00:03.59 | curby | (sorry) |
| 00:04.01 | PerfDave | trent: mp3 encoders are not in Debian, or most other Linux distributions, for patent reasons. If you live in a country where the MP3 patent is not enforcable, then you can obtain the MP3 encoder libraries as Debian packages from Marillat's repository - /msg dpkg marillat |
| 00:04.07 | mischko | I just used equivs to build a dummy mta package. How do I install the .deb file it created? |
| 00:04.13 | PerfDave | mischko: dpkg --install |
| 00:04.25 | jetx | also dpkg -i blah.deb |
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| 00:05.16 | nofate | I have a problem installing debian on my IBM r40e Thinkpad, it hangs when I try to select the language, it just lock up what should I do? |
| 00:05.26 | PerfDave | mischko: Sorry, I'm going to have to give up on this versioning script for tonight - it's gone 1am and I have to be up in 6 hours. |
| 00:05.34 | trent | PerfDave I don't think the plugin is even working correctly. |
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| 00:05.39 | mischko | PerfDave, can you email me if you get it fixed? |
| 00:05.45 | mischko | or leave me a msg on IRC? |
| 00:05.49 | PerfDave | mischko: I'll try. |
| 00:05.55 | mischko | schapman@mischko.com |
| 00:06.03 | mischko | install of the package failed. |
| 00:06.07 | trent | PerfDave, Since it isn't even trying to connect to my ShoutCast Server, What do you think I should do? |
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| 00:06.33 | hokuten | Can a username be changed by swapping it with a new one where it is found in /etc files and renaming Home? |
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| 00:06.33 | mischko | PerfDave, can you check a url for me? |
| 00:06.38 | PerfDave | trent: Have you tried running xmms from an xterm to see if it generates any debugging output? |
| 00:06.41 | PerfDave | mischko: Which URL? |
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| 00:07.06 | mischko | I'm trying to find paster's url again to paste this output .... |
| 00:07.11 | black13 | jetx redhat/mandrake would supply with the .config file they used to build there kernels with ... they had allmost everything set on ... but it was a starting point |
| 00:07.16 | PerfDave | mischko: /msg dpkg paster |
| 00:07.23 | curby | hokuten: man usermod and check out -l |
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| 00:07.35 | PerfDave | trent: It might not be trying to contact the server because it's lacking the MP3 encoder libraries. Can LiveICE not work with sane formats like Vorbis? |
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| 00:07.59 | dr_c | Trying to format my 80GB IDE disk (mkfs.ext3). But it suddenly hangs on "writing inode tables". Anyone know what's wrong? |
| 00:08.05 | paster | "mischko" at 71.111.118.246 pasted "output from installing local equivs package" (7 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/519 |
| 00:08.09 | PerfDave | dr_c: What makes you think it's hanging? |
| 00:08.11 | hokuten | great, thanks curby |
| 00:08.21 | curby | hokuten: no prob =) |
| 00:08.23 | trent | DBAudioLib ERROR: could not create shared memory for system data. |
| 00:08.23 | trent | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.23 | trent | plugin init.c: failed to init dbaudiolib. |
| 00:08.23 | trent | NON FATAL to xmms, but dbmix plugin will not work... |
| 00:08.23 | trent | xmms continuing... is dbfsd running? |
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| 00:08.30 | mischko | PerfDave, why doesn't installation of my equivs package uninstall postfix? |
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| 00:08.34 | trent | Oops |
| 00:08.47 | PerfDave | mischko: I'm not quite sure to be honest, it's been yonks since I used equivs. |
| 00:09.09 | mischko | PerfDave, Ok. I'll tinker around. Thanks again for all your help. |
| 00:09.11 | PerfDave | mischko: Anyway, sorry, but I really need to crash out now. |
| 00:09.23 | PerfDave | mischko: Why are you not using Debian's postfix anyway? |
| 00:09.34 | noux | how can I copy the totality of a directory to another one ? |
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| 00:09.47 | mischko | PerfDave, I want to know how to use equivs. |
| 00:10.02 | PerfDave | mischko: Fair enough |
| 00:10.03 | mischko | in case I find a real need for a newer package. |
| 00:10.17 | Teace | PerfDave, Do you suggest I format to windows? |
| 00:10.27 | mischko | PerfDave, nite. |
| 00:10.40 | PerfDave | Teace: I wouldn't suggest anybody to do anything involving Windows. |
| 00:10.45 | Teace | Lol |
| 00:10.56 | Teace | Well if I got Windows I could use Winamp :-\ |
| 00:11.06 | Teace | I kind of need to run a radio server and linux isn't the way I can do it. |
| 00:11.19 | PerfDave | Teace: Plenty of people run radio servers on Linux. |
| 00:11.24 | Teace | Err I meant |
| 00:11.25 | Teace | Stream |
| 00:11.29 | PerfDave | Teace: That to |
| 00:11.29 | Teace | to a server |
| 00:11.30 | PerfDave | o |
| 00:11.40 | Teace | Be a dj. |
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| 00:11.49 | dr_c | PerfDave: Because it first says something like "11/769", where the first number is increasing. Then it stops, and hangs and doesn't react to ^C^Q^X etc |
| 00:11.50 | PerfDave | Teace: Perfectly possible under Linux. |
| 00:11.51 | noux | help me please ! |
| 00:11.58 | SpinX | i can't install anything via apt-get because it keeps try to install webmin, webmin-firewall |
| 00:11.58 | SpinX | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 00:12.00 | Thanatermesis | how to make a mirror sincronized of a repository ? |
| 00:12.04 | SpinX | how can i stop the process of it trying to install webmin |
| 00:12.04 | PerfDave | noux: man cp |
| 00:12.05 | Teace | PerfDave, But nearly impossible. >.< |
| 00:12.06 | mischko | noux, cp -a should work. |
| 00:12.13 | PerfDave | Teace: No, not at all. |
| 00:12.21 | Teace | Then why doesn't it work :S |
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| 00:12.51 | PerfDave | Teace: Just set it up to use Vorbis streaming, or pay $$$ to Fraunhofer for an MP3 encoder license. |
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| 00:13.05 | Teace | What is Vorbis Streaming? |
| 00:13.13 | Teace | and does Vorbis streaming support a shoutcast server? |
| 00:13.23 | PerfDave | Teace: Ogg Vorbis is a music encoding format like MP3, but free from patent licensing issues. |
| 00:13.39 | Teace | Is it that plugin on XMMS? |
| 00:13.45 | PerfDave | Teace: no, it's built in to xmms |
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| 00:13.48 | PerfDave | Anyway, I'm off to bed. |
| 00:13.59 | FabParma | how is it possible that my repositories don't have pine newsreader? |
| 00:14.00 | Teace | I'll try to figure it out thinaks perfdave. |
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| 00:14.09 | curby | PerfDave: gnite =) |
| 00:14.42 | PerfDave | FabParma: pine is not Free Software. |
| 00:14.57 | FabParma | ah, ok |
| 00:15.12 | FabParma | PerfDave: thank you |
| 00:15.14 | nofate | I have a problem installing debian on my IBM r40e Thinkpad, can someone help me? |
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| 00:15.43 | jkern | nofate, state your problem |
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| 00:16.40 | nvz | alt+ numbers works to switch windows in irssi.. well with my left alt I can go to any screen except 1, but with right alt it works |
| 00:16.51 | nvz | I have no idea what that is about |
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| 00:18.19 | nofate | jkern: when I boot from the cd to install debian, I get up to the 'select your language' part and I can't select anything |
| 00:18.47 | nofate | it just locks up |
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| 00:19.51 | Thanatermesis | how to make a mirror sincronized of a repository ? |
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| 00:20.19 | Morti | Anyone know how I might set up an XDMCP client? I'm happy enough doing the server with GDM but I don't know what a client needs to automatically connect over XDMCP. |
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| 00:20.20 | jkern | nofate, sorry, I don't have a clue. maybe try again later when some more folks may take up the challenge. |
| 00:20.41 | nofate | ok, thanx anyway |
| 00:20.43 | olax | Thanatermesis: I use apt-proxy |
| 00:20.55 | green_earz | nofate: it sounds like it a error on the cd. if you downlaod the cd image by bittorent it will be check for its integrity |
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| 00:21.58 | Thanatermesis | thanks olax |
| 00:22.35 | Morti | Noone know, then? |
| 00:22.49 | nofate | yeah I downloaded it by bittorrent, it was called: debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 00:23.20 | nofate | so what do I have to do now |
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| 00:23.38 | green_earz | nofate: then its may be a bad burn faulty media |
| 00:23.50 | jkern | !xdmcp |
| 00:23.50 | dpkg | methinks xdmcp is if using a recent xdm .deb, comment last line in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config to enable xdmcp at all! also edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess to specify which clients are allowed to use XDMCP - a single line of "*" means "anyone in the world" |
| 00:23.59 | Mxyzpltk | nofate: burn it again if you're sure the image is correct, you could check it's md5sum against the ones in cdimage.debian.org |
| 00:24.01 | Thanatermesis | olax, my real problem are: Im creating a repository actually in the "oficial standard debian mode" in my machine but Im need to put all in a big server, sincronized with my oringinal dir repository. for example, If Im modify a package, only upload this package, if Im delete a package, delete the same package and modify the Packages.gz ... |
| 00:24.16 | nofate | oh, ok i'll put it on a cd-rw and try again :-) thanx |
| 00:24.28 | green_earz | np |
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| 00:24.47 | jkern | mort, did you see the dpkg message? If not, type "!xdmcp" |
| 00:24.52 | Morti | jkern: That's all good for the server side. I just don't know how to automate the connection and bring up the X screen client side. |
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| 00:25.33 | mischko | If I have postfix-pgsql from debian installed (thinking Postgresql 7.4.7 is installed) and I have 8.0.3 installed, will postfix work against postgresql? |
| 00:25.42 | green_earz | nofate: bookmark the link its a handy debian doc "Debian Reference" > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 00:26.20 | avrfreak | tha 4 first cdrom have xfce4? |
| 00:26.39 | Thanatermesis | olax, sincronice the "big server repository" with my original repository... this is good ? |
| 00:26.45 | jkern | Morti, that must be in a HOWTO somewhere or FAQ eh |
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| 00:27.40 | Morti | jkern: Not found one yet. They're mostly all about setting up the server end. |
| 00:28.01 | yc | trying to mount a usb cdburner external enclosure |
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| 00:28.22 | wornaki | I have a localhost problem.... does someone have patience? |
| 00:28.27 | wornaki | and a solution? |
| 00:28.32 | olax | Thanatermesis: I've never used it, but the mini-dinstall package looks like it might work for your purposes. |
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| 00:28.35 | peterS | wornaki: details please |
| 00:28.35 | AciD | I have some troubles installing grub on my lvm partition : if I don't touch the /boot/grub/device.map file, the cmd "grub-install /dev/hda" output "/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.". when I change the /dev/hda string in device.map to /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc, I then get this error : |
| 00:28.48 | peterS | wornaki: we won't commit ahead of time to fixing your problem, so just go ahead and ask it |
| 00:28.54 | AciD | "expr: non numeric argument /dev/mapper/Debian-Boot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." |
| 00:28.58 | wornaki | localhost can't be reached... |
| 00:29.05 | mischko | how do I force apt-get to reinstall a currently installed package if I deleted a file? |
| 00:29.08 | Thanatermesis | I have tried to install mini-dinstall olax but the configuration looks hard |
| 00:29.10 | peterS | wornaki: in what situation? |
| 00:29.13 | AciD | anybody managed to install grub with lvm ? |
| 00:29.20 | wornaki | any situation |
| 00:29.30 | jkern | Morti, man startx ? |
| 00:29.38 | wornaki | hosts.conf has the hostname, 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:29.53 | peterS | wornaki: you mean /etc/hosts? |
| 00:30.01 | wornaki | sorry. yeah |
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| 00:30.09 | TheStick | what about your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:30.11 | peterS | wornaki: and what says /etc/nsswitch.conf on the 'hosts' line? |
| 00:30.15 | TheStick | does it have the loopback interface? |
| 00:30.21 | Morti | jkern: I'll have a look once X has installed. Do I need any font management or anything locally on the client, do you know? |
| 00:30.24 | yc | how do I tell which /dev/ my usb external cdburner is on? |
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| 00:30.40 | peterS | yc: it'll show up in /proc/partitions somewhere, if you've got the drivers loaded |
| 00:30.43 | wasabi | Does anybody use Debian as an iSCSI target/ |
| 00:30.59 | dieeasy | mischko do #apt-get --purge remove [package] and then #apt-get install it |
| 00:31.20 | wornaki | peterS: nothing remarkable |
| 00:31.38 | wornaki | files dns |
| 00:31.42 | jkern | morti, i think you have the choice there, xfs could handle that several ways |
| 00:31.43 | yc | peterS: I don't see it just ide and bus |
| 00:31.47 | peterS | wornaki: unstable? |
| 00:31.55 | wornaki | yeah |
| 00:31.56 | yc | peterS: I mounted a usb stick couple of weeks ago.. |
| 00:32.06 | wornaki | didn't work in sarge or etch either |
| 00:32.12 | peterS | wornaki: have you upgraded libc6 lately? 2.3.2 -> 2.3.5 requires restarting any application that does name lookups |
| 00:32.14 | yc | peterS: but now can't mount the cdburner usb |
| 00:32.16 | peterS | oh |
| 00:32.27 | wornaki | i'm not sure |
| 00:32.31 | peterS | yc: have you got the 'sr-mod' kernel module loaded, along with 'usb_storage'? |
| 00:32.33 | wornaki | probably |
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| 00:32.47 | peterS | wornaki: that's just a "restart the app" thing, though, so if this didn't work in sarge, that's not the problem |
| 00:32.54 | yc | peterS: don't know, how do I list modules? |
| 00:32.59 | peterS | yc: lsmod |
| 00:33.04 | wornaki | I don't know what's the problem |
| 00:33.12 | wornaki | I'm trying to get CUPS to work |
| 00:33.21 | wornaki | but it is impossible |
| 00:33.24 | mischko | What's the default versoin of the file system that debian is using? ext3? |
| 00:33.41 | peterS | mischko: you can set it up for ext3, xfs, reiserfs, whatever |
| 00:33.44 | yc | peterS: yup sr_mod is there... |
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| 00:33.58 | peterS | yc: just to check: does the burner appear in /proc/scsi/scsi? |
| 00:33.59 | yc | peterS: what is sr_mod?... |
| 00:34.04 | wornaki | mischko: ext3 is default on install... |
| 00:34.06 | peterS | yc: SCSI CD-ROM drive support |
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| 00:34.19 | mischko | thanks! |
| 00:34.28 | jkern | morti, check out in "man startx" .xserverrc and the like. |
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| 00:34.56 | wornaki | I simply don't get it... |
| 00:35.12 | wornaki | I don't have any rule or config file stopping me from accesing localhost |
| 00:35.30 | yc | peterS: yup the file /proc/scsi/scsi mentions CDBURNER ... |
| 00:35.47 | peterS | yc: so, probably /dev/scd0 |
| 00:35.55 | peterS | yc: or /dev/sr0 if you prefer - they're the same thing |
| 00:36.22 | yc | peterS: I've tried scdo and sda sda1 numerous times but no luck |
| 00:36.32 | yc | peterS: scd0 that is |
| 00:36.32 | peterS | yc: scdo? you mean scd0 |
| 00:36.35 | peterS | heh |
| 00:37.10 | ecobit | i altered a patch in a deb source. there were several in debian/patches when i run dpkg-buildpackage it gets to this patch and fails to apply it, asking me to manually enter what file to apply it to, even though i only changed it very minimally from the original |
| 00:37.19 | yc | peterS: when I issue mount it says I must specify type ... |
| 00:37.33 | yc | peterS: I specify iso9660 or vfat but neither works |
| 00:37.44 | peterS | yc: CDs are normally iso9660, but they can be udf |
| 00:37.56 | peterS | yc: DVDs are vice versa - normally udf, but can be iso9660 |
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| 00:38.37 | ecobit | anyone know why? is there part of the build process i am missing that "accepts" this altered patch? |
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| 00:39.23 | peterS | yc: if you've got an audio CD or a VCD, you can't mount those directly |
| 00:39.27 | AciD | so nobody managed to install grub with lvm ? |
| 00:39.40 | wornaki | AciD: never tried |
| 00:39.44 | ecobit | also, i noticed that the actual patch contains path names not in the deb source, but what must be on the builder's system. i don't understand how dpkg-buildpackage can then apply these patches since the paths do not relate to the deb source |
| 00:40.01 | yc | peterS: "block device is write-protected, mounted read-only" and then "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock" etc |
| 00:40.09 | peterS | AciD: I highly recommend having a separate /boot partition if you want to use LVM for root. saves pain all the way around. keep /boot as a 50 MB or so partition at the front of your disk and you'll always be good to go |
| 00:40.21 | peterS | yc: so it found your drive anyway. just doesn't like your CD. |
| 00:40.46 | peterS | yc: to avoid the 'write-protected' warning, you can use mount -r, which is short for mount -o ro |
| 00:41.26 | yc | peterS: okay, I see. it's a new memorex cd-r |
| 00:41.28 | wornaki | peterS: have you understood my problem? |
| 00:41.40 | peterS | yc: so it hasn't been written to yet? that would explain why you can't mount it |
| 00:41.54 | peterS | wornaki: not really. make sure /etc/hosts and /etc/nsswitch are both world-readable files |
| 00:42.02 | peterS | wornaki: I mean /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 00:42.02 | wornaki | they are |
| 00:42.06 | yc | peterS: right, it has not been written to, but that's what I'm trying to do |
| 00:42.09 | wornaki | that is what confuses me |
| 00:42.18 | peterS | wornaki: and you have the line in /etc/hosts? 127.0.0.1 localhost |
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| 00:42.32 | peterS | yc: oh. is this kernel 2.4 or kernel 2.6? |
| 00:42.40 | wornaki | peterS: yes, the same line |
| 00:42.50 | yc | peterS: 2.4 |
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| 00:43.10 | peterS | yc: so, make sure the 'sg_mod' module is loaded. then you should be able to feed "0,0" or "0,0,0" to your CD writer application |
| 00:43.22 | peterS | yc: 0,0 means SCSI bus 0, device 0 |
| 00:43.41 | peterS | yc: sg_mod is "SCSI generic packet support" |
| 00:43.58 | peterS | yc: might be named 'sg', I cannot remember |
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| 00:44.32 | peterS | wornaki: ok last question. do you have "auto lo" in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:44.37 | yc | peterS: sd_mod but no sg_mod |
| 00:44.41 | wornaki | let me see... |
| 00:44.56 | peterS | wornaki: you should have "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" in that file |
| 00:45.15 | peterS | yc: the CD writer app will need access to the sg module, so just load it: modprobe sg |
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| 00:45.39 | peterS | yc: looks like it is called sg, not sg_mod, sorry about that. anyway. |
| 00:45.40 | wornaki | auto lo? |
| 00:45.47 | wornaki | not even close |
| 00:45.48 | Teace | Does anyone know how to Be a DJ on Linux to a shoutcast server? |
| 00:45.49 | noux | re all ! |
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| 00:45.54 | peterS | wornaki: do you have any 'auto' line in that file? you should, and it should include the word 'lo' for loopback |
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| 00:45.59 | yc | peterS: k, modprobe sg returns quietly |
| 00:46.07 | peterS | yc: you should be good to go then |
| 00:46.11 | noux | plz could you tell me how to change the chmod of all the files and dir in a dir and all subdir |
| 00:46.20 | peterS | yc: to confirm: cdrecord -scanbus |
| 00:46.30 | wornaki | peterS: I have auto but no 'lo' |
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| 00:46.35 | peterS | yc: it'll list the N,N,N addresses of what it can find |
| 00:46.36 | gimbal | what is the name of the debian package that provides a gtk interface on dselect? |
| 00:46.44 | peterS | wornaki: add "lo" to that line then |
| 00:46.52 | peterS | wornaki: also make sure you have a line: iface lo inet loopback |
| 00:46.58 | Teace | Hello, Does anyone know how to Be a DJ on Linux to a shoutcast server? |
| 00:47.14 | yc | peterS: cdrecord shows my burner on 1,0,0 |
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| 00:47.37 | peterS | yc: there you go then. tell your writer app to use 1,0 or 1,0,0 |
| 00:47.46 | peterS | yc: (the final number is generally optional) |
| 00:47.56 | yc | peterS: next newbie question how do I burn to it, I can't just cp ...? |
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| 00:48.17 | peterS | yc: oh, you can use cdrecord, or you can get a frontend app such as ... hmmm, k3b is the one most people recommend. it's a KDE app |
| 00:48.26 | Teace | Does anyone know how to Be a DJ on Linux to a shoutcast server? |
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| 00:48.31 | wornaki | peterS: it didn't work |
| 00:48.41 | Guerin | !didn't work |
| 00:48.42 | peterS | yc: with cdrecord you first have to master an image using mkisofs, to produce a .iso file which you then 'cdrecord' to the disc |
| 00:48.42 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 00:48.47 | yc | peters: k, I'll manpage cdrecord, thx for your help |
| 00:48.50 | wornaki | dsl script is messing up things there |
| 00:49.05 | peterS | wornaki: ok, now that you've edited the interfaces file, do "ifup lo" |
| 00:49.14 | peterS | wornaki: this will happen automatically next time you boot, thanks to the 'auto lo' line |
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| 00:49.34 | peterS | yc: seriously, k3b or gtoaster or several other burning apps are much easier to figure out |
| 00:49.40 | Teace | Yet I ask again, Does anyone know how to Be a DJ on Linux to a shoutcast server? |
| 00:49.40 | wornaki | let's hope and big thanks... |
| 00:49.45 | peterS | yc: cdrecord gets the job done but it's a pain if you haven't done that sort of thing before |
| 00:49.51 | noux | plz could you tell me how to change the chmod of all the files and dir in a dir and all subdir |
| 00:50.01 | Mxyzpltk | yc: this could help you http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-cdburn.html |
| 00:50.08 | Teace | chmod (number) /dir/* |
| 00:50.24 | Teace | chmod (number) /dir/*/* |
| 00:50.26 | peterS | yc: also: if you add a line "sg" to /etc/modules, you won't have to manually load that module next time you boot |
| 00:50.31 | noux | Teace, thank you |
| 00:50.54 | yc | peterS: one more Q: how do I permanently load sg mod for every time I boot |
| 00:51.01 | peterS | yc: way ahead of you (: |
| 00:51.14 | peterS | (I just answered that one) |
| 00:51.21 | yc | peterS: good one :) |
| 00:52.02 | Teace | Does anyone know how to Be a DJ on Linux to a shoutcast server? |
| 00:52.10 | yc | Mxyzpltk: thx |
| 00:52.21 | Mxyzpltk | np |
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| 00:53.07 | Teace | Let me say that easier |
| 00:53.09 | Teace | Does anyone know how to Be output on Linux to a shoutcast server? |
| 00:53.21 | Teace | Does anyone know how to output audio on Linux to a shoutcast server?** |
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| 00:55.08 | dieeasy | Teace, someone earlier replied with" xmms-liveice - XMMS plugin that sends your audio to a shoutcast server", if it helps you... |
| 00:55.19 | Teace | Yeah I can't get that to work. |
| 00:55.21 | Teace | :-\ |
| 00:55.29 | Teace | Like it does nothing I have it enabled and all |
| 00:55.30 | Teace | configured. |
| 00:55.35 | UziMonkey | This is really strange. Opera has suddenly started to lock up on sarge. Any other Opera users here run into this? It wasn't doing it before, but I just did a fresh install (even the same version of Opera) and it just started doing it. |
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| 00:56.28 | dieeasy | Teace, I just reported someone else's post, I even don't know what your're talking about, sorry.. |
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| 00:58.00 | AciD | UziMonkey > try to strace opera to see what's going on |
| 00:59.18 | nofate | I burn't it to a cd-rw using a different program and I still get the same problem |
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| 00:59.24 | UziMonkey | AciD: good idea |
| 00:59.52 | UziMonkey | AciD: I don't know how to reproduce it though.. seems random |
| 01:00.08 | rking | i would /love/ to watch a monkey running around with an Uzi. |
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| 01:01.57 | Warp4 | hi all how do i change the default gui for vncserver? |
| 01:01.58 | AciD | trying to make grub working with lvm is a pita, believe me :| |
| 01:02.05 | Warp4 | I want to change it from GNOME to XFCE 4 |
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| 01:03.41 | sineer | hi |
| 01:03.49 | dabar | sorry to spam you... The new cindy crawford smileys... :-./ :-.) ( altho Im sure someone came up with that before...) |
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| 01:04.15 | jkern | Warp4, there are vnc start-up dot-files, maybe .startvnc, or something |
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| 01:05.46 | sineer | is 2.6.12.5 kernel any good or I should use kernel-source package 2.6.11.7 ? |
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| 01:07.14 | jkern | Warp4, try google "man vncserver" or just "man vncserver" if you have it intstalled |
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| 01:10.23 | humbolto | should I use sun partition tables an a sun box running only linux or should I use something else like msdos? |
| 01:10.45 | humbolto | is there anything I have to know about sun partition table? |
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| 01:11.04 | humbolto | does linux software raid actually work with sun tables? |
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| 01:12.31 | jkern | humbolt, google "sun partition table linux" |
| 01:13.25 | fusQuanto | what is the command to kill all processes on a certain mount point? i cant umount cuz something is running and i dont know what |
| 01:13.31 | humbolto | jkern: that is what I am doing |
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| 01:13.51 | humbolto | but I did not find anything of value yet! |
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| 01:14.31 | ]-[2[]2 | Holy Joins/Quits Batman! |
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| 01:15.53 | zeier | I did a dist-upgrade, and now have no entrys in my kde-menu, and there happens nothing when starting the control center. How may I get them back? |
| 01:16.30 | fusQuanto | what is the command to kill all processes on a certain mount point? i cant umount cuz something is running and i dont know what |
| 01:16.39 | wornaki | upgraded to kde 3.4 zeier? |
| 01:16.44 | maher | fusQuanto: use lsof to find the open files |
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| 01:16.49 | zeier | 3.3 |
| 01:16.54 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.56 | fusQuanto | maher: i just did that but theres nothing |
| 01:17.07 | wornaki | zeier: update-menus... |
| 01:17.14 | fusQuanto | someone here told me a command once to without question kill everything ... i forgot the name of the command |
| 01:17.22 | wornaki | or you should try reinstalling kdelibs |
| 01:17.22 | UziMonkey | AciD: I can't get it to lock under strace.. maybe I'll just run it under strace all the time! :P |
| 01:17.29 | fusQuanto | oh it oworked |
| 01:17.55 | green_earz | usQuanto: find the proses id number and kill id-number |
| 01:18.10 | rking | fusQuanto: killall5 |
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| 01:18.18 | zeier | womaki: I do not have that |
| 01:18.31 | fusQuanto | thx |
| 01:18.49 | wornaki | have what? |
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| 01:19.10 | zeier | update-menus |
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| 01:19.52 | ]-[2[]2 | Got a weird question: I think its ALSA based, because it happens on two different manufacturer's 16-bit ISA sound cards. The problem is that there is no right left balance even if you turn one speaker completely off. If both volume levels are equal the sound is hollow and watery sounding. I've checked all possible hardware sources including switching out sound cards, but there is no difference. |
| 01:19.59 | green_earz | zeier: on the k bar have got "settings " if so update menu tool |
| 01:20.23 | wornaki | zeier: apt-get install update-menus |
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| 01:20.42 | oxff_ | hey, simple question |
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| 01:20.49 | oxff_ | how can i trick dpkg (aptitude) to think, that a package is installed? |
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| 01:21.06 | oxff_ | i want to use gnutls from source but it refuses to remove older gnutls because some other packages depend on it |
| 01:21.08 | ]-[2[]2 | that's pinning isn;t it? |
| 01:21.11 | oxff_ | (stable distro) |
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| 01:21.55 | maher | oxff_: equivs / try backporting the testing/unstable guntls |
| 01:22.06 | Guerin | oxff_: don't use a different gnutls than your apps expect |
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| 01:22.25 | Guerin | !tell oxff_ about simple sid backport |
| 01:22.50 | ]-[2[]2 | So nobody got any ideas on the sound issue? |
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| 01:23.07 | jkern | wornaki, update-menus is in the menu package |
| 01:23.19 | ____p765 | hey guys after i compile the new kernel it asks me to put a line in lilo.conf but im not using lilo im using grub, so where do i put the line ? |
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| 01:23.27 | epsilon | how can I open .deb (binary) file? I want to understand the structure, but dpkg --unpack <deb> returns only error |
| 01:23.27 | Guerin | ]-[2[]2: get a real sound card |
| 01:23.35 | Guerin | epsilon: ar x |
| 01:23.45 | sgeigerbot | How can this be fixed? (I get this when I restart mysql.) /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 01:24.17 | Fluten | can i give priorities for locales in debian? when i set my locale to russian, some programs don't have a russian language. could i make it so instead of displaying the english version of the program, it replaces it with german? |
| 01:24.27 | ]-[2[]2 | Gee... now why didn't I think of that one? |
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| 01:24.58 | oxff_ | Guerin |
| 01:25.02 | oxff_ | Guerin oxff_: don't use a different gnutls than your apps expect |
| 01:25.05 | Guerin | ]-[2[]2: good question, why didn't you? |
| 01:25.10 | oxff_ | i have to build prelude from source |
| 01:25.19 | oxff_ | and that requires latest gnutls (from source) |
| 01:25.26 | jmcjmc | any win32 admins in here? I've got a fubared XP NTFS volume that won't boot. I can see it fine from Knoppix or XP Recovery CD, but don't know how to fix. |
| 01:25.27 | Guerin | oxff_: why? |
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| 01:25.36 | jkern | zeier, update-menus is in the menu package |
| 01:25.41 | oxff_ | why what Guerin? |
| 01:25.46 | Guerin | oxff_: have you tried building prelude with gnutls-dev packages in debian? |
| 01:25.51 | oxff_ | yes |
| 01:25.53 | zeier | thanks (searched for minutes now) |
| 01:25.56 | Guerin | oxff_: why does this 'prelude' replace gnutls? |
| 01:25.59 | oxff_ | no |
| 01:26.07 | Guerin | oh |
| 01:26.08 | Guerin | requires |
| 01:26.12 | oxff_ | prelude depends on gnutls >= 1.0.17 |
| 01:26.15 | wornaki | jkern: sorry, long time, no update-menus |
| 01:26.18 | wornaki | thank you |
| 01:26.24 | oxff_ | and there is only a backport for 1.0.16 |
| 01:26.24 | ]-[2[]2 | Guerin --> Oh, maybe because all of my PCI slots are full of other cards like Video, Network, SCSI, etc... Besides.... Not everybody has new computers you know. |
| 01:26.31 | Guerin | oxff_: ok, so you need to build your own backport. |
| 01:26.33 | oxff_ | and thats what's already in stable anyway |
| 01:26.36 | oxff_ | and how? |
| 01:26.45 | Guerin | ]-[2[]2: tell me about it. My newest is a p3-733. |
| 01:27.01 | Guerin | oxff_: i told you about simple sid backport |
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| 01:27.42 | sgeigerbot | Fluten: Sometimes I have seen the message "Using the fallback 'C' locale." That leads me to believe that you could override that setting, wherever it is. |
| 01:28.04 | ]-[2[]2 | K.. Plan B... Thanks anyway folx.. |
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| 01:28.39 | AciD | what's the name of the program used during the debian installation process to create/format partition ? |
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| 01:29.29 | jkern | AciD, used to be cfdisk, IIRC |
| 01:30.03 | AciD | I don't have this program on my comp :o |
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| 01:30.14 | greg_work | so i have a custom-built package of apache, and i'm phasing it out and using debian's apache .. my new package is just going to pre-depends: and in postinst, run a2ensite etc, and have symlinks to the new locations |
| 01:30.22 | sgeigerbot | Fluten: maybe you can get away with having just two locales in /etc/locale.gen |
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| 01:30.46 | greg_work | is it better to make a new mypackage2 that has Replaces: mypackage or to just increment the version number and treat it like any other upgrade? |
| 01:30.54 | jkern | AciD, there may be a newer one, sorry -- dpkg -S cfdisk |
| 01:30.59 | ____p765 | hey guys after i compile the new kernel it asks me to put a line in lilo.conf but im not using lilo im using grub, so where do i put the line ? |
| 01:31.10 | Fluten | sgeigerbot, isn't that file for telling debian what ones to generate, and not to use? |
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| 01:31.43 | greg_work | ____p765: /boot/grub/menu.lst .. and its a similar line, but not exactly the same |
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| 01:31.46 | liable | ____p765: grub is automagically updated |
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| 01:31.54 | sgeigerbot | Fluten: right...but if debian doesn't have many choices to fall back on, perhaps it will fall back on the one you want. Not sure. |
| 01:31.56 | greg_work | well thats eveneasier |
| 01:32.01 | liable | ____p765: if you used make-kpkg... |
| 01:32.14 | Fluten | sgeigerbot, there's no en locale in that file though |
| 01:32.15 | jkern | AciD, apt-cache search cfdisk |
| 01:32.33 | Fluten | hmm, so maybe there's a basic en locale built into debian |
| 01:32.45 | rarn | can someone help me get php to do imap? i installed the mod, I have "extension=imap.so" in php.ini but it is not working |
| 01:32.47 | liable | ____p765: check the menu.lst |
| 01:32.55 | ____p765 | liable: well i followed the howto to the letter but when i try to boot on the new kernel i get an error so if must be my mistake.. what would be the propper line in menu.lst ? |
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| 01:33.20 | sgeigerbot | Fluten: Ah, maybe you can do this: alias myprog='export LC_CTYPE="en_GB"; /usr/bin/firefox' |
| 01:33.20 | sobersabre | hippie, i want to unpack a .deb file. how can I do this ? |
| 01:33.29 | sobersabre | i meant "hi" |
| 01:33.32 | liable | ____p765: whats the error? probably a bad kernel config, rather than bad grub line. |
| 01:33.33 | sobersabre | not hippie |
| 01:33.56 | liable | sobersabre: dpkg -x |
| 01:34.06 | liable | or ar |
| 01:34.09 | Fluten | sgeigerbot, i'll just do that for the few that i see, since there aren't many |
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| 01:34.25 | sporter | my debian is from knoppix,and at /boot/grub,there is no menu.lst,why?? |
| 01:34.31 | sobersabre | liable, thanks! |
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| 01:34.56 | ____p765 | liable: yes thats what i fear.. the error line is kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(0,0) |
| 01:34.57 | liable | sporter: no, your knoppix, is knoppix, and you are in the wrong channel. |
| 01:35.26 | liable | ____p765: back to the kernel config... make sure relevent modules are compiled in.. |
| 01:35.43 | sgeigerbot | sporter: sudo apt-get install grub grubconf ; sudo grub-install /dev/hda ; sudo update-grub ; sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:35.52 | Fluten | hmm, now that i have my locale as ru, the right click menus in xmms are made up of boxes |
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| 01:36.00 | Fluten | but cyrillic works in other programs |
| 01:36.14 | sporter | sgeigerbot:thanks |
| 01:36.20 | sgeigerbot | sporter: did it work? |
| 01:36.44 | sporter | now i am apt-get upgrade |
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| 01:36.59 | sgeigerbot | sporter: don't do that@!! |
| 01:37.07 | sgeigerbot | sporter: you want apt-get update ...not upgrade. |
| 01:37.34 | ____p765 | liable: where can i check that ? |
| 01:37.43 | stew | hey, i'm gonna get you too... |
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| 01:38.08 | liable | ____p765: its in device drivers iirc, and filesystems, and.... |
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| 01:38.35 | liable | ____p765: this is why debian images exist :) |
| 01:38.38 | sporter | segeigerbot:oh,god,what it will happen |
| 01:39.25 | sgeigerbot | sporter: it will upgrade everything on your machine. |
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| 01:39.31 | svizzero | e è: Eclipse project http://www.eclipse.org - latest stable release: 3.1.0; latest development release: 3.2 M1 |
| 01:39.31 | svizzero | * Argomento per #eclipse scelto da vektor il Sun Aug 14 18:06:54 2005 |
| 01:39.32 | svizzero | svizzero svizzero anyone knows how to solve the following eclipse/sun jdk error: Activation.main: warning: sun.rmi.activation.execPolicy system property unspecified...? |
| 01:39.35 | sgeigerbot | sporter: you might want to stop it. |
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| 01:40.10 | ChrisBradley1973 | Good evening |
| 01:40.15 | sgeigerbot | stew: Another one bites the dust! |
| 01:40.29 | ChrisBradley1973 | I successfully installed ipodder with Debian tonight |
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| 01:40.56 | ChrisBradley1973 | Its a major triumph for someone new to linux |
| 01:41.15 | liable | !congradulate ChrisBradley1973 |
| 01:41.27 | liable | bah |
| 01:41.32 | ChrisBradley1973 | It took me 10 hours, and my eyes were bleeding and I almost got carpal tunnel but I was obsessed with the code |
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| 01:41.55 | ChrisBradley1973 | And then I realized - its just the package managers |
| 01:41.57 | sporter | segigerbot:it's not good to upgrade to the newest software? |
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| 01:42.15 | ChrisBradley1973 | Upgrade to at least 2.5 Python |
| 01:42.24 | ChrisBradley1973 | wxMozilla is coming |
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| 01:42.48 | ChrisBradley1973 | and wxFirefox |
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| 01:43.09 | Guerin | i guess this is the penance you have to do if you buy an iPod |
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| 01:43.20 | ChrisBradley1973 | I'm going to be working on Mozilla trying to get it in my system over the weekend |
| 01:43.29 | stew | ChrisBradley1973: 2.5 python? |
| 01:43.34 | zeier | update-menus didn't change anything. Whewre are the settings for the menus being stored? |
| 01:43.34 | humbolto | is there an easy way to apply the partition table of one disk to another? |
| 01:43.35 | ChrisBradley1973 | Hello Guerin |
| 01:43.40 | ChrisBradley1973 | yes |
| 01:43.46 | liable | ChrisBradley1973: um, what are you on about? just apt-get it.. |
| 01:43.47 | humbolto | like cat something > somewhere? |
| 01:43.51 | ChrisBradley1973 | 2.5.3 is the only one that works with ipodder |
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| 01:43.59 | pvn | hi all |
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| 01:44.06 | ChrisBradley1973 | I tried 2.6.1 and it wouldn't work |
| 01:44.12 | ChrisBradley1973 | and 2.4 is useless |
| 01:44.16 | ChrisBradley1973 | It's very specific |
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| 01:44.39 | ChrisBradley1973 | I had to research it when the python took a dump after the compile |
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| 01:45.10 | sgeigerbot | ChrisBradley1973: What's the full name of the 2.5.3 package? |
| 01:45.18 | ChrisBradley1973 | Just a second |
| 01:45.19 | stew | ChrisBradley1973: 2.4.1 is the latest python |
| 01:45.24 | liable | ikillah? where does that come from?? |
| 01:45.28 | sgeigerbot | ChrisBradley1973: libwxgtk2.5.3-python ? |
| 01:45.41 | Guerin | liable: it's an iAudio X5L |
| 01:45.49 | stew | he must be talking about something other than python the language |
| 01:45.57 | Guerin | liable: better than the ipod by practically every metric there is, and about the same price |
| 01:46.23 | pvn | can someone help with NW802 |
| 01:46.51 | sgeigerbot | ChrisBradley1973: can't you just do dpkg --list | grep 2.5.3 |
| 01:46.51 | liable | Guerin: oh, never heard of it.. thanks. |
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| 01:47.39 | fitzsim_ | hi everyone |
| 01:47.42 | pvn | yo |
| 01:47.46 | pvn | wazzup |
| 01:47.48 | ChrisBradley1973 | This guy is your man http://xn.pinkhamster.net/blog/tech/ |
| 01:47.52 | ChrisBradley1973 | He has all the builds |
| 01:47.59 | fitzsim_ | can anyone recommend a good networking tool to easily configure networking under debian? |
| 01:48.08 | ChrisBradley1973 | If you are using a PC based ipod you want to mount it with vfat |
| 01:48.11 | sgeigerbot | fitzsim_: vi. |
| 01:48.19 | DaLeach | I have been successfully using Debian for a while now, apt-get, dpkg, aptitude etc... I currently can not apt-get ANYTHING...the messages i get are at http://pastebin.com/341322 |
| 01:48.23 | sgeigerbot | fitzsim_: Setting up networking in Debian is easy. You need to edit /etc/network/interfaces Then use "ifdown --all" and "ifup --all" or "/etc/init.d/networking restart". "man 5 interfaces" will give you some info about how to edit the interfaces file. Example of how to set up static, dynamic, and virtual interfaces interfaces: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/interfaces |
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| 01:48.31 | ChrisBradley1973 | Heres the order of operations |
| 01:48.40 | maher | fitzsim_: etherconf |
| 01:48.40 | ChrisBradley1973 | Uninstall python2.3 completely |
| 01:48.50 | ChrisBradley1973 | uninstall python2.4 completely |
| 01:48.50 | sgeigerbot | ChrisBradley1973: NO! |
| 01:48.54 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
| 01:48.59 | ChrisBradley1973 | re-install 2.3 |
| 01:49.04 | ChrisBradley1973 | reinstall 2.4 |
| 01:49.09 | ChrisBradley1973 | install bittorrent |
| 01:49.21 | ChrisBradley1973 | install KDE |
| 01:49.31 | sgeigerbot | ChrisBradley1973: what??? I thought this was ipodder.... |
| 01:49.34 | DaLeach | hahahaha |
| 01:49.34 | ChrisBradley1973 | install wxPython2.5.3 |
| 01:49.36 | DaLeach | hahahah |
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| 01:49.50 | sgeigerbot | ChrisBradley1973: damn...don't give me a heart attack. |
| 01:49.52 | ChrisBradley1973 | then install ipodder |
| 01:50.06 | ChrisBradley1973 | Heck if it works it works |
| 01:50.22 | ChrisBradley1973 | I'm using Sarge distro of Debian |
| 01:50.27 | fitzsim_ | maher: ok, I've got that installed; how do I run it? |
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| 01:50.37 | maher | fitzsim_: type etherconf as root |
| 01:50.47 | DaLeach | ChrisBrad probably safe to say there was an easier way |
| 01:50.51 | ChrisBradley1973 | ipodder should create a /usr/bin/ipodder file |
| 01:50.57 | fitzsim_ | maher: nope, command not found |
| 01:51.32 | ChrisBradley1973 | If it crashes - you need to do what I told you and uninstall Python2.3 and 2.4 and re-install them 2.3, 2.4. 2.5.3, and bittorrent and KDE |
| 01:51.44 | sgeigerbot | ChrisBradley1973: That looks way too ugly...unless you have a way to keep all my packages that depend on python from getting uninstalled, I can't go along with that. Installing KDE would be easier... |
| 01:51.49 | ChrisBradley1973 | synaptic will not handle 2.5.3 |
| 01:52.14 | fitzsim_ | sgeigerbot: is /etc/init.d/networking installed by some package? |
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| 01:52.20 | ChrisBradley1973 | You might get lucky and 2.5.3 will correct the python pathnames |
| 01:52.27 | fitzsim_ | sgeigerbot: it wasn't installed by default |
| 01:52.38 | sgeigerbot | fitzsim_: what? |
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| 01:52.43 | iaido | trying to set up debian as a bridge. do I need to patch the kernel or can I just install bridge-utils ? |
| 01:52.54 | sgeigerbot | fitzsim_: are you using Debian? |
| 01:52.58 | fitzsim_ | sgeigerbot: yeah |
| 01:53.06 | sgeigerbot | fitzsim_: how did you install "Debian"? |
| 01:53.15 | fitzsim_ | sgeigerbot: using the new installer |
| 01:53.31 | ChrisBradley1973 | There has been a lot of news on this on Google since I mentioned it in Linux earlier today - I think there's going to be a mass linux migration soon |
| 01:53.31 | Fluten | hmm, i got rid of the unreabable boxes in xmms and sylpheed, but now the fonts are so small i can barely even read them. how could i increase the font sizes? |
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| 01:53.36 | sgeigerbot | fitzsim_: ok then, you might need to do this: apt-get install netbase |
| 01:53.41 | fitzsim_ | it was a long time ago, but the initial package list seems extremely minimal... |
| 01:53.51 | sgeigerbot | fitzsim_: ...but that seems a little suspicious. I don't recall the last time that file was missing. |
| 01:53.51 | maher | fitzsim_: try dpkg-reconfigure etherconf |
| 01:53.54 | fitzsim_ | maybe I picked the wrong option, but I thought I just picked the default |
| 01:54.22 | ChrisBradley1973 | Its almost like I'm running Python instead of Linux on my other PC |
| 01:54.37 | sgeigerbot | Fluten: Share with me how you got rid of the boxes. |
| 01:55.18 | Fluten | sgeigerbot, I set it to a KOI-8 locale instead of a UTF-8 one, and my umlauts in german still work too :) |
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| 01:55.20 | ChrisBradley1973 | That dpkg comes in handy - A gui version is /usr/bin/kpackage |
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| 01:55.36 | ChrisBradley1973 | Which can be spawned on its own without KDE-Package Manager |
| 01:55.57 | felipe_br | how do I purge files of a package that has been already removed without --purge? |
| 01:55.58 | stew | there shoud be no reason one would need both python2.3 and python2.4, and instead of the uninstall / reinstall in this order, youshould just have to update-alternatives --config python |
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| 01:56.07 | fitzsim_ | sgeigerbot: maher: ok, dpkg-reconfigure etherconf created /etc/init.d/{networking,interfaces} |
| 01:56.12 | alvanson | does there exist some way to get ESMTP to listen on an SMTP port? |
| 01:56.19 | alephant | Hi everybody... Gentoo screwed me over for the last time with broken packages marked stable |
| 01:56.25 | ChrisBradley1973 | Well - it's a matter of perspective |
| 01:56.27 | alephant | I'm back to Debian after five years away |
| 01:56.29 | alvanson | it does what I want it to except listen on an SMTP port |
| 01:56.36 | ChrisBradley1973 | I'm trying to come up with the simplest solution |
| 01:56.36 | stew | alephant: what MTA? |
| 01:56.42 | ChrisBradley1973 | Not everyone has a grip on Python |
| 01:56.45 | sgeigerbot | !+fonts |
| 01:56.45 | dpkg | fonts is probably check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html and http://www.justlinux.com/bin/feature/story.pl?fid=1861565 or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html |
| 01:56.47 | alephant | stew: wha? Postfix |
| 01:56.55 | alephant | stew: why do you ask? |
| 01:57.01 | ChrisBradley1973 | I don't even have a grip on python |
| 01:57.01 | stew | alephant: i'm sorry, misfire |
| 01:57.07 | stew | alvanson: what mta? |
| 01:57.15 | alephant | ha |
| 01:57.23 | alvanson | stew: esmtp |
| 01:57.28 | Thanatermesis | any person posible to send me a rsynccd.conf file for daemon use? Im not understand the example... |
| 01:57.31 | alvanson | stew: that's the name |
| 01:57.53 | alephant | forgive me if this is a FAQ... how do I upgrade from xf86 to xorg? |
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| 01:58.14 | stew | alvanson: have you read /usr/share/doc/esmtp/* ? |
| 01:58.22 | stew | alvanson: what version of debian are you running? |
| 01:58.34 | MDM | hi, I'm using xfce and all the text has gone very small in apps like x-chay and epiphany, anyone know how to get it big again?. |
| 01:58.44 | sgeigerbot | Fluten: In addition to the fonts urls I gave you (above), try this one: http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 01:58.53 | sgeigerbot | !fonts is also http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 01:58.54 | dpkg | okay, sgeigerbot |
| 01:59.13 | Fluten | sgeigerbot, i'm going to try installing the koi8 xfont packages, and restart x |
| 01:59.17 | Fluten | and see if that fixes it |
| 01:59.22 | jkern | MDM, use the xfce4 tools from your panel |
| 01:59.24 | alvanson | stew: sarge, haven't read the docs since it can't be installed (I have qmail running and I don't want to kill it) |
| 01:59.41 | alvanson | stew: but the web page says that the program proper doesn't listen on an SMTP port |
| 01:59.47 | alephant | MDM - you can also have that happen if gconf (gnome) suddenly becomes active |
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| 02:00.19 | alephant | forgive me if this is a FAQ... how do I upgrade from xf86 to xorg? |
| 02:00.23 | DaLeach | I get this for all apt-get's currently.... http://pastebin.com/341322 |
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| 02:00.59 | jkern | alephant, how does gconf suddenly become active? |
| 02:01.08 | stew | alephant: what version of debian |
| 02:01.12 | ChrisBradley1973 | Hello again |
| 02:01.13 | alephant | if you start a Gnome app... e.g. evolution |
| 02:01.17 | stew | ugh I can't alvanson and alephant straight |
| 02:01.24 | MDM | yes I think it is that I was trying to get icons on my desktop with rox but instead after a reboot everythings small but only in x-chat etc |
| 02:02.01 | alephant | MDM, whenever I see fonts changing the first thing I do is to go on an axe-murdering rampage for all things Gnome |
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| 02:02.36 | alephant | MDM, try gnome-control-panel to set the gtk fonts (or hack gtk2.rc (whatever it's named) by hand if you're confident) |
| 02:02.40 | MDM | ok thanks alephant, killall gnome etc? |
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| 02:02.48 | MDM | ok |
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| 02:03.02 | alephant | MDM - I meant that figuratively :) |
| 02:03.17 | alephant | MDM, I'd do it by hand, perhaps killing gconfd |
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| 02:03.25 | MDM | ok |
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| 02:04.09 | RabbitTheRat | is there any way to mount an ftp site into a folder in shell ? |
| 02:04.24 | RabbitTheRat | ie: some sort of network resource mounted in my debian system ? |
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| 02:04.34 | maher | RabbitTheRat: ftpfs |
| 02:04.42 | RabbitTheRat | is it installed by default? |
| 02:04.50 | RabbitTheRat | or is that needed to be in the kernel |
| 02:04.51 | RabbitTheRat | ? |
| 02:04.52 | maher | RabbitTheRat: no - use module-assistant to build it |
| 02:04.54 | RabbitTheRat | UJ*%@ung |
| 02:05.06 | RabbitTheRat | stupid keyboard |
| 02:05.09 | RabbitTheRat | i need a new one |
| 02:05.14 | DaLeach | hah |
| 02:05.19 | coconauta | who uses a good connection here? |
| 02:05.28 | DaLeach | what's a "good connection" |
| 02:05.57 | sgeigerbot | DaLeach: You can get pot at the drop of a hat. |
| 02:06.11 | coconauta | my conection is slow 1 mbps |
| 02:06.33 | Fluten | sgeigerbot, looks like its fixed now and the right size after installing all the right fonts |
| 02:06.36 | zeier | I still have an empty kde-menu, and no entrys in control-center. I tried update-menus, which seems to do something for a few seconds, but there's no change, also after rebooting. I ust don't know what to do next. Any hints? |
| 02:06.41 | sgeigerbot | Fluten: Sweet. |
| 02:06.54 | RabbitTheRat | module-assistant hey ? :P |
| 02:07.10 | humbolto | is there a way to start the nice program to setup raid, which is used on the installer cd, by hand? |
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| 02:08.00 | sgeigerbot | humbolto: mdadm? |
| 02:08.03 | ChrisBradley1973 | Yes |
| 02:08.06 | ChrisBradley1973 | I think |
| 02:08.13 | ChrisBradley1973 | Go to this menu |
| 02:08.22 | DaLeach | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:09.01 | alvanson | stew, docs say it can't be done. perhaps you know of a program that acts as a smtp server -> sendmail gateway |
| 02:09.06 | epsilon | "invoce-rc.d <daemon>" is same as "/etc/init.d/<daemon>"? |
| 02:09.15 | ChrisBradley1973 | Go to Debian -> Applications System -> Synaptic Package Manager - Search ALL for KDE |
| 02:09.23 | ChrisBradley1973 | It will re0install all of your KDE apps |
| 02:09.27 | humbolto | sgeigerbot: the nice interface from the installer i mean. as far as I can remember, that is not what mdadm brings up! |
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| 02:10.08 | ChrisBradley1973 | KDE is dependent on Python 2.3 |
| 02:10.33 | ChrisBradley1973 | Or - if all you can run is a shell |
| 02:10.49 | ChrisBradley1973 | run > /usr/bin/aptitude |
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| 02:10.57 | ChrisBradley1973 | And search for KDE |
| 02:11.51 | Thanatermesis | rsync -nauv /tmp/test thana@sub.page.com <-- not works, any idea ? |
| 02:11.58 | Thanatermesis | pass not accepted |
| 02:12.05 | Thanatermesis | the page needs a special feature? |
| 02:12.07 | epsilon | .oO (<EternalFlame> Why KDE if Gnome </EternalFlame>) |
| 02:12.22 | bucky | DaLeach looks like you got a half down loaded package and the md5sum didn't match |
| 02:12.36 | ChrisBradley1973 | KDE comes with kpackage - makes it easy to install alien deb files |
| 02:12.50 | ChrisBradley1973 | God now I'm talking about aliens |
| 02:13.29 | ChrisBradley1973 | For example RealPlayer10GOLD.rpm is an alien |
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| 02:13.53 | bucky | DaLeach rm /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.13.10_i386.deb and try it again |
| 02:13.59 | ChrisBradley1973 | what you do is : alien RealPlayer10GOLD.rpm and then dpkg -i the Deb file it spits out |
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| 02:14.14 | concept10 | Is there a way to find out what libraries are not used by any application ? |
| 02:14.22 | maher | concept10: deborphan |
| 02:14.26 | DaLeach | bucky thanks so much |
| 02:14.35 | bucky | np |
| 02:14.43 | concept10 | maher, ah yes, i remember, thanks |
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| 02:15.00 | RabbitTheRat | where is module-assistant located ? |
| 02:15.10 | maher | RabbitTheRat: install it |
| 02:15.11 | ChrisBradley1973 | MPlayer is another alien |
| 02:15.13 | RabbitTheRat | how ? |
| 02:15.14 | RabbitTheRat | :P |
| 02:15.29 | ChrisBradley1973 | alien MPlayerwhatever.rpm |
| 02:15.42 | maher | RabbitTheRat: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 02:15.46 | ChrisBradley1973 | dpkg -i MPlayerwhatever.deb |
| 02:15.55 | RabbitTheRat | thanks |
| 02:16.06 | RabbitTheRat | my brain isnt switched on today |
| 02:16.14 | ChrisBradley1973 | Hello dpkg |
| 02:16.16 | RabbitTheRat | iv been messing with redhat for months now, been a while since i been on debian |
| 02:16.17 | RabbitTheRat | :P |
| 02:16.29 | dockane | hi all ... i am a bit worried about my hds. its doing really strange sounds .. *krrrk : beep* where the beep imho definetly is causes by the pc speaker. i get the following output to terminal shell : http://www.phpfi.com/74867 . any idea whats the reason for that ? |
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| 02:17.06 | maher | dockane: your hd is dying - get a new one quick |
| 02:17.06 | ChrisBradley1973 | What kind of sound chip do you have? |
| 02:17.55 | dockane | maher, backup is done as usuall .. so no time to worry. but the hd is still working ... |
| 02:17.59 | maher | dockane: check syslog and use smartctl too to look for more errors |
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| 02:18.34 | RabbitTheRat | Installation of the ftpfs-src source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives |
| 02:18.40 | RabbitTheRat | do i have to add something to sources ? |
| 02:18.46 | stew | ChrisBradley1973: using alien for mplayer would be a bad idea |
| 02:18.46 | fitzsim_ | ok, networking works |
| 02:18.48 | RabbitTheRat | where is that ftpfs locted ? |
| 02:18.51 | RabbitTheRat | *located ? |
| 02:18.59 | fitzsim_ | what's the best CD burner for debian? |
| 02:19.14 | stew | using alien is a bad idea for most things |
| 02:19.18 | fitzsim_ | I need it to be able to easily burn audio cds |
| 02:19.22 | ChrisBradley1973 | It works |
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| 02:19.57 | ChrisBradley1973 | stew - Why wouldn't u use alien? |
| 02:19.57 | stew | ChrisBradley1973: not as well as just using an apt source |
| 02:20.02 | RabbitTheRat | anyone know where ftpfs-src is located to be added to sources.list ? |
| 02:20.11 | ChrisBradley1973 | MPlayer wasn't in my apt |
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| 02:20.20 | stew | ChrisBradley1973: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 02:20.49 | ChrisBradley1973 | That's a new one on me |
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| 02:21.22 | james_ | Im trying to write some programs in linux but, even though gcc is installed, it does not seem that the header files are, like iostream, is there a package for those? |
| 02:21.25 | dockane | btw, system perfomance is very poor at the moment |
| 02:22.03 | stew | !b-e james_ |
| 02:22.04 | dpkg | james_: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 02:22.26 | RabbitTheRat | anyone ? :/ |
| 02:22.35 | james_ | dpkg it says its allready installed |
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| 02:22.50 | xoz | james_: those that ends with -dev packages have headers |
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| 02:22.52 | james_ | dpkg what header would you include for a simple hello world program? |
| 02:23.01 | ChrisBradley1973 | dpkg - I got it |
| 02:23.12 | james_ | xoz what do you mean? |
| 02:23.18 | ChrisBradley1973 | So what's news in Debian that's cool now? |
| 02:23.22 | zeier | how are the menus managed in KDE? I have all .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/kde, should they be linked from somewhere in my home directory? |
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| 02:23.26 | ChrisBradley1973 | Besides the news |
| 02:23.35 | stew | james_: /msg dpkg search; you should be able to find what you are looking for on p.d.o or with apt-file |
| 02:23.49 | RabbitTheRat | how do i get apt to update its list of available packages from the sources.list places? |
| 02:23.59 | rob_lt | apt-get update |
| 02:24.13 | xoz | like libstdc++-dev contain headers while libstdc++ contains only libs and .so for running prog |
| 02:24.18 | ChrisBradley1973 | You can also add sources manually to the apt script file |
| 02:24.24 | ChrisBradley1973 | I can't remember what its called |
| 02:24.34 | ChrisBradley1973 | I read something the umbuntu people were doing with it |
| 02:24.39 | xoz | james_: ^^ |
| 02:24.47 | james_ | xoz so what would i get for the basic headers like iostream and string and whatnot |
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| 02:25.03 | xoz | james_: libstdc++-dev |
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| 02:25.19 | james_ | xoz thanks much |
| 02:25.36 | stew | i'm suprised thats not in build-essential |
| 02:25.41 | ChrisBradley1973 | Going to check in over at Wikipedia |
| 02:25.54 | xoz | james_: or you can use apt-file search iostream |
| 02:26.01 | coconauta | the Americans who pay to supplier isp are obliged also to pay another supplier so that its connection broad band functions? |
| 02:26.10 | Lanix | how do i get better resolition i meen to re configure resolution is it .... dpkg-reconfigure XF86Config-4 ? |
| 02:26.13 | james_ | xoz is it maybe that im using iostream and not iostream.h? |
| 02:26.41 | james_ | nope not that |
| 02:26.43 | xoz | james_: c++ std convention avoids using .h |
| 02:26.50 | james_ | thats what i thought |
| 02:26.53 | RabbitTheRat | its not finding the source pkg |
| 02:26.54 | RabbitTheRat | grr |
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| 02:27.23 | xoz | james_: even stdio.h now is replaced by cstdio |
| 02:27.40 | rob_lt | !tell Lanix about drx |
| 02:27.44 | xoz | james_: yep |
| 02:28.13 | rob_lt | !test |
| 02:28.13 | dpkg | Sorry, rob_lt, I didn't get your test. |
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| 02:28.27 | xoz | james_: there is no iostream.h ... check the /usr/include/c++/<ver>/ for a list of headers |
| 02:28.52 | fitzsim_ | does anyone know of a CD burner app that automatically converts wav files to the proper bitrate for burning to CD? |
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| 02:29.07 | iaido | is there no bridge-nf for kernel 2.4.27? you have to use ebtables to set up a bridge? |
| 02:29.10 | james_ | xoz thought so, im getting libstdc but its gona take a while im on one of my neighbors' wireless connection and seems they have a slow connection |
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| 02:29.52 | rob_lt | fitzsim_, did you try k3b? |
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| 02:30.12 | fitzsim_ | rob_lt: not yet, no |
| 02:31.33 | nvz | fitzsim_: k3b is a graphical kde based one, and mp3burn is a really easy to use command-line one. it can even take an m3u playlist and burn it as a cd audio |
| 02:31.40 | james_ | Great it works! Thanks guys |
| 02:31.47 | rob_lt | fitzsim_, I'm pretty sure k3b will do it. It is by far the most mature and feature rich burning application for Linux. It is a KDE app, but will run just fine within gnome, as will most KDE apps. |
| 02:31.50 | xoz | james_: boost package is very useful for template programming. they have templates for regex, string processing, multiarray, numerical computation, blas, etc,. |
| 02:32.19 | nvz | !info boost |
| 02:32.36 | nvz | thats misleading |
| 02:32.58 | xoz | !info libboost-dev |
| 02:33.01 | dpkg | libboost-dev: (Boost.org libraries development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.33.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1799 kB, Installed size: 21870 kB |
| 02:33.20 | james_ | Ill look into that, thanks again |
| 02:33.40 | xoz | google always gives you the detail |
| 02:33.46 | Vilim | how broken is broken with respect to gcc/g++ 4.0, is it only a vanashingly small minority of packages, packages which I are custom compiled, or is sid completely messed up |
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| 02:34.09 | xoz | Vilim: nope, c++ in sid is very functional |
| 02:34.22 | rob_lt | just launch k3b -> New Audio CD Project -> Drag and drop the audio files into the project -> Burn |
| 02:34.37 | Vilim | oh, so the topic is innacurate? |
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| 02:35.05 | Vilim | I assumed that moving to the 4.0 abi would imply some serious binary breakage |
| 02:35.34 | xoz | Vilim: so far, the transition is good. kudus to the developers. |
| 02:35.57 | Vilim | nice :) |
| 02:36.03 | Vilim | thanks |
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| 02:36.13 | xoz | Vilim: topic just warns of possibilities which may or may not happen. |
| 02:36.22 | Vilim | ah |
| 02:36.26 | iaido | how can I tell if my system is set to use LILO or Grub? some documentation is saying LILO is debian's default, but for some reason I seem to recall it saying "grub" upon startup |
| 02:36.51 | nvz | iaido: dpkg -l grub lilo |
| 02:37.15 | xoz | iaido: pre sarge, lilo is default, starting sarge, grub is default unless you upgraded instead of installing sarge from scratch |
| 02:37.25 | iaido | using sarge. |
| 02:37.29 | iaido | so it's grub, eh. |
| 02:37.40 | nvz | depends on what you installed in either case |
| 02:37.51 | xoz | if you start from scratch, sarge will be the default option |
| 02:38.02 | xoz | grub |
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| 02:38.12 | iaido | used the 130m netinstall iso |
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| 02:38.36 | iaido | recompiling kernel for first time; hopefully I can config grub properly to use the new kernel b/c this system has no floppy drive + I can't make an emerg boot disk |
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| 02:38.52 | nvz | iaido: you dont have to if you do it right |
| 02:38.55 | xoz | iaido: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 02:39.30 | nvz | iaido: in debian you use kernel-package. it configures the bootloader for you. |
| 02:39.50 | xoz | if you messed grub, at least you can edit it at bootprompt unlike lilo. |
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| 02:40.15 | MegaByte | How can I create a debian package for my friends using Slackware? |
| 02:40.15 | iaido | yea I've got it using make-kpkg now recompiling the kernel |
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| 02:40.23 | MegaByte | Do I *need* dpkg installed? |
| 02:40.41 | woodland | hi i am stting up debian, at one point it asks me what is the horizontal and vertical scanning frequencies of my monitor, i tried to contact compaq, but they dont know it, i have compaq presario R3000 |
| 02:41.07 | nvz | woodland: whats the monitor model? |
| 02:41.08 | cking | i am using gxine, and have 3 dvd's (all store bought, but from very different mfr's): one plays great, one plays but without audio, and the other just fails to read altogether (i can't head /dev/dvd > /dev/null) |
| 02:41.13 | cking | any clues? |
| 02:41.14 | xoz | woodland: google? |
| 02:41.20 | woodland | nvz, i have laptop |
| 02:41.38 | woodland | what do i google ? |
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| 02:42.19 | nvz | woodland: then choose the yes option when it asks you if you have an LCD then... (hold on) |
| 02:42.37 | xoz | woodland: or the default usually works. |
| 02:42.44 | xoz | for lcd monitors |
| 02:43.09 | woodland | but even after i choose LCD, it asks me these frequency rates, |
| 02:43.15 | nvz | woodland: whats the model number on the laptop? |
| 02:43.34 | woodland | compaq presario R3000 |
| 02:43.44 | nvz | woodland: no the model number not the make/series |
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| 02:44.14 | woodland | is it at the bottom of laptop, nvz |
| 02:44.17 | nvz | would be like 3010US or 3120EA or something |
| 02:44.23 | nvz | R3000 is a series |
| 02:44.40 | nvz | you have a specific model R3000 |
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| 02:44.59 | nvz | on my compaq it was a little white sticker on the top to the right of the touchpad |
| 02:45.08 | cking | what dvd formats are out there? what could cause a dvd to refuse to read even at the lower level of "head /dev/dvd"? |
| 02:45.13 | woodland | wait let me check |
| 02:45.19 | CrocoJet | does anyone know how can i change refresh rate (x) .. I want 800x600 100 Mhz, not 800x600 85Hz , is possible change that ? Is it xfree86 file (/etc/X11) ? |
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| 02:45.40 | zeier | what should be in ~/.local/share/applications/kde/ ? Mine is empty. Is that why I have no entries in my kde-menu?? |
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| 02:45.50 | nvz | CrocoJet: trying to blow up something? |
| 02:45.52 | xoz | woodland: really, lcd is not that sensitive to specific hz and vz |
| 02:45.53 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 02:46.08 | CrocoJet | using gnome here |
| 02:46.37 | nvz | I dont think there is a display in the galaxy that can handle 100,000hz |
| 02:46.46 | CrocoJet | lol |
| 02:46.47 | CrocoJet | sorry |
| 02:46.50 | CrocoJet | 100 Hz |
| 02:46.58 | Mardus | I'm looking for a debian package of gaim 1.0.3. I've googled plentyfully, but haven't found much anything :\. |
| 02:47.03 | woodland | ok |
| 02:47.18 | CrocoJet | goo done .. nvz |
| 02:47.21 | CrocoJet | good |
| 02:47.47 | CrocoJet | where I can find .. refresh rate ? |
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| 02:48.01 | woodland | xoz, i get flickering screen if i just choose default setting for debian |
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| 02:48.22 | SNow | Hi, please, can you tell me where Could I find ipv6 support in 2.4.30 kernel ? |
| 02:48.29 | CrocoJet | Xf86config-4 ? |
| 02:48.31 | woodland | nvz, i cant find model no, there is serial no, product no etc |
| 02:48.49 | SNow | I can't find where to put * in it |
| 02:49.07 | jcole | how do i insert the bytecode of an image into html... not a link to the image, but where the image is *part* of the html code |
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| 02:49.19 | Mardus | Oh, I am also looking at debian tar.gz's, dsc's and diff.gz's that are on snapshot.debian.net and in #knoppix, I was suggested dpkg-repackage. My assumption is that I'd have to download any of these and then make a package with dpkg-repackage... Or not? |
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| 02:49.25 | SNow | Hi, please, can you tell me where Could I find ipv6 support in 2.4.30 kernel ? |
| 02:50.02 | woodland | has anybody set up debian on compaq presario R3000 |
| 02:50.44 | SNow | Hi, please, can you tell me where Could I find ipv6 support in 2.4.30 kernel ? |
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| 02:51.36 | nvz | woodland: oh well they have over 50 Presario R3000 series laptops there are 4 or more alone called R3000* some have AMD some have Intel.. they are al different |
| 02:51.39 | SNow | Hi, please, can you tell me where Could I find ipv6 support in 2.4.30 kernel ? |
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| 02:52.27 | RabbitTheRat | whats teh command to find your your userid ? |
| 02:52.39 | nvz | RabbitTheRat: id |
| 02:52.55 | RabbitTheRat | and how do i check the id of other users? |
| 02:52.57 | Mardus | SNow: Everyone already knows your question, please don't ask so many times. |
| 02:53.07 | RabbitTheRat | got it |
| 02:53.07 | RabbitTheRat | thanks |
| 02:53.08 | RabbitTheRat | :P |
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| 02:53.33 | Mardus | SNow: And I think IPv6 support might be built-in into 2.4.30. You might as well try a 2.6.x kernel. |
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| 02:53.40 | nvz | there is a R3000 AMD, R3000 Intel, R3000 (DP533AV), R3000T. I dont know why the hell they mass produce cases that say shit like R3000 on the screen when they know there are multiple R3000's and more than 50 in the whole series |
| 02:54.05 | nvz | I guess they are cheap and like to confuse the hell out of people |
| 02:54.28 | Mardus | SNow: And you have already said "Hi," too. |
| 02:55.11 | megatronx | anyone have cedega installed for debian? |
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| 02:55.44 | nvz | SNow: thats a very general linux question that doesnt really apply to #debian as I dont think debian has any 2.4.30 kernels. try asking a general linux channel or something |
| 02:55.57 | megatronx | i would like to know which xlib or xfree86 devel packages i need to install with synaptic |
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| 02:56.30 | nvz | megatronx: ask the transgaming people, what does that have to do with #debian |
| 02:56.53 | nvz | its not like I can ask dpkg what the depends of the cedega package are |
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| 02:57.26 | nvz | I think they made a tool for that actually. gives you a build env that auto-fetches build deps |
| 02:57.40 | nvz | hell if I can remember |
| 02:58.09 | cking | that would be quite a feat - each ./configure is different. |
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| 03:00.14 | Spods | hello all |
| 03:00.59 | Spods | I'm trying to get Helvetica font on Windows, does anyone know if the one from Debian can be copied (and if need be converted) to a Windows machine? |
| 03:01.09 | nemo | where does debian keep it's package list? I've just recovered a sytem drive, and need to discover what was intalled on it for preparing the new drive... |
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| 03:02.02 | doleyb | nemo: COLUMNS=50 dpkg -l |
| 03:02.09 | Mardus | Spods: The Helvetica alternative is Arial. |
| 03:02.16 | iaido | Spods, Helvetica is not a Debian specific font. you should be able to find it on google |
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| 03:03.04 | Spods | Mardus: yeah I know, but it's not working how I'd like it |
| 03:03.15 | Mardus | Spods: Why? How? |
| 03:03.47 | nemo | doleyb: that's not gonna give me the package list from the recovered drive :P |
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| 03:03.51 | Spods | iaido: I know that too, im only finding semi relevant information tho, thought i might ask to see if someone here has done it |
| 03:03.57 | RiZLA | hey i need help, can i pm someone?? |
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| 03:04.17 | RiZLA | it is to do with a mouse startx problem :/ |
| 03:04.22 | Mardus | RiZLA: You can ask away here, too. |
| 03:04.27 | nemo | doleyb: I can't boot the recovered drive, but I can see the files from it when it's in a different system at least... |
| 03:04.34 | Spods | Mardus: I'm trying to get Helvetica Bold, but Arial Bold's spacing is larger, and throws the text off |
| 03:05.13 | Mardus | Spods: Throws the text off where and to where? |
| 03:05.13 | RiZLA | can i be helped with an urgent startx problem |
| 03:06.08 | nemo | the best I can think of is working out out from /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 03:06.39 | RiZLA | well |
| 03:06.54 | Mardus | RiZLA: Perhaps you should further explain what has happened and such. |
| 03:07.03 | RiZLA | I messed with a mouse cnfg for my logitech, i have tried to get it back to normal and xf86config etc but it isnt helping |
| 03:07.20 | RiZLA | It normally detects and loads.. |
| 03:07.21 | fiveiron[debian] | is there a way to apt-get mythtv? |
| 03:07.25 | Spods | Mardus: because the spacing of Arial Bold is not the same as Helvetica Bold, less text appears on the screen (text is being lost on the right hand side of the screen) and the bold effect is making the text slightly larger than what Helvetica does |
| 03:07.58 | Mardus | Spods: Okay, but where? -- Is it in a document or an HTML page, perhaps? |
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| 03:08.35 | RiZLA | mardus, i have typed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and still, no change |
| 03:08.42 | Mardus | RiZLA: But you haven't explained what your problem is. You've just half-explained your way to your problem. |
| 03:08.58 | RiZLA | Mardus, what is the mouse file called with the config |
| 03:09.00 | Gixbit | can somebody give me an example of non-free |
| 03:09.02 | RiZLA | i have messed with that |
| 03:09.19 | Spods | Mardus: oh right :) well actually no, I'm trying to recreate an xmms skin for Winamp, but if this would be done in a document the same results would probably happen. |
| 03:09.33 | RiZLA | It is a mouse config file that i need back to default |
| 03:09.43 | Mardus | RiZLA: I think there is no mouse file. I'ts the XF86Config (or XF86Config-4 for example) that usually have configuration information, including that for mice. |
| 03:09.52 | RiZLA | also it says, no screens detected, but the problem is mice |
| 03:10.00 | RiZLA | yeah thats the file, XF86Config-4 |
| 03:10.05 | RiZLA | how can i get that back to default? |
| 03:10.29 | RiZLA | i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 with all the files but hasnt worked |
| 03:10.43 | Mardus | Spods: Well, you could make your Arial bold font a wee bit smaller. |
| 03:10.56 | Spods | oooh, i just found a font config on ibiblio |
| 03:11.05 | nvz | my brother is a little slow this evening. was reading him some snippets from the paper.. told him a man in South Beaver was charged with rape, and that if he had stayed north of the beaver he wouldnt have this problem.. he didnt get it |
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| 03:11.20 | MegaByte | Did anyone ever like playmidi? |
| 03:11.31 | RiZLA | waiting for your reply Mardus, hope you can help |
| 03:11.33 | Mardus | nvz: I think I get the joke ;-) |
| 03:11.38 | nvz | heh |
| 03:11.40 | MegaByte | I brought it back |
| 03:11.57 | MegaByte | and bugfixed it (focusing at ncurses interface) |
| 03:11.58 | Spods | Mardus: tried that, for some reason when you make Winamp text small enough, it stops bolding everthing |
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| 03:12.15 | MegaByte | And I've built a debian package |
| 03:12.28 | Spods | Mardus: maybe Winamp just isn't sophisticated enough to use fonts properly at certain sizes |
| 03:12.34 | Mardus | Spods: It's bold all right, you just don't see it, because it's so small. Maybe you're not using anti-aliased fonts and very small bold text might not be seen as bold. |
| 03:12.42 | RiZLA | mardus, waiting your reply =/ |
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| 03:12.57 | Mardus | RiZLA: Yea, but you haven't told me what your problem with the mouse is. |
| 03:13.11 | RiZLA | ok |
| 03:13.13 | RiZLA | Mardus |
| 03:13.26 | RiZLA | I boot up, it fails to load graphics for gnome |
| 03:13.33 | RiZLA | it gives me a "no screens" error |
| 03:13.36 | nvz | a "screen" in xfree isnt like the screen on your monitor |
| 03:13.37 | smo_ | netstat -pant 82.224.46.107 | grep sshd |
| 03:13.37 | smo_ | tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 5800/sshd what does 5800/sshd mean?? |
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| 03:13.39 | RiZLA | but it says something about mouse configuration |
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| 03:14.16 | Mardus | RiZLA: Well, by what do you mean "fails to load graphics for gnome" -- do you mean perhaps that X fails to load at all? |
| 03:14.23 | RiZLA | yeah i meant that |
| 03:14.25 | nvz | smo_: means port 5800 Secure SHell Disk And Execution Monitor |
| 03:14.27 | RiZLA | thanks |
| 03:14.33 | RiZLA | what can i do about this? |
| 03:14.40 | smo_ | it s a freidn pc |
| 03:14.43 | Mardus | RiZLA: Patience, my dear, patience... |
| 03:14.44 | smo_ | sshd is running |
| 03:14.54 | smo_ | but i always have connection refused |
| 03:14.54 | RiZLA | i hope you can help me mardus =) |
| 03:15.18 | nvz | smo_: probably because he is running it on 5800, and you are trying to connect to port 22 where most people run it |
| 03:15.27 | Mardus | RiZLA: So instead of X, you see this gray-on-black text (which some people say is ugly)? |
| 03:15.32 | RiZLA | i do |
| 03:15.37 | RiZLA | CLI =) |
| 03:15.39 | smo_ | i made a big mistake so.... |
| 03:15.54 | smo_ | can t connect on port 5800 so ?? to correct? |
| 03:15.55 | Spods | Mardus: yeah I'd say so, in any case, the size that almost fits, shows the bold, the one size below is the point that Winamps playlist stops showing the bold. So I figured if I could get Helvetica working on Windows I'd get a new font and I'd get the look I'm trying for |
| 03:16.34 | smo_ | tried -p seems not working |
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| 03:16.52 | Mardus | RiZLA: Are you in this room from a different computer? |
| 03:16.59 | nvz | smo_: you can, but typing ssh host, implies you want to connect to host:22 because ssh is port 22. you have to specify you want to connect to his port 5800 or else you will continue to get connection refused because there is no service listening where you are trying to connect |
| 03:17.09 | RiZLA | i am not |
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| 03:17.17 | RiZLA | im running the second operating system which is windows xp |
| 03:17.22 | smo_ | i understand |
| 03:17.30 | smo_ | but it s the -p command no?? |
| 03:17.42 | smo_ | ssh -p 5800...... |
| 03:17.46 | smo_ | ? |
| 03:18.03 | nvz | RiZLA: you need to at some point in your life as a windows refugee learn to use the console and a decent chat program like irssi |
| 03:18.10 | nvz | so you can communicate when X breaks |
| 03:18.23 | RiZLA | gah, im only young.. |
| 03:18.33 | nvz | wouldnt hurt to familiarize with screen as well so you can become mobile with your terminal and multi-task |
| 03:18.35 | RiZLA | is there some way i can reach this file and restore it to its default settings? |
| 03:18.46 | nvz | RiZLA: what do you think I am a geezer? |
| 03:19.02 | Mardus | RiZLA: You can probably reconfigure it again, provided that you've configured the settings right. |
| 03:19.03 | RiZLA | i dont |
| 03:19.09 | RiZLA | hm |
| 03:19.13 | nvz | the X config file has no defaults |
| 03:19.17 | RiZLA | i see |
| 03:19.23 | nvz | when you install the package debconf guides you through making one |
| 03:19.25 | Mardus | nvz: Oh right, I just remembered. |
| 03:19.29 | nvz | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:19.34 | RiZLA | i have tried it! |
| 03:19.40 | RiZLA | i did all the settings, etc |
| 03:19.42 | RiZLA | still the same error |
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| 03:19.53 | nvz | maybe you should try doing it right this time :P |
| 03:19.54 | RiZLA | thats the problem >_< |
| 03:19.57 | RiZLA | eh |
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| 03:20.07 | RiZLA | im sure i did it right, just like how i did it in the first place to get X to work |
| 03:20.09 | Mardus | RiZLA: Oh well, boot into Linux and write down every error message you see on paper, especially the errors relating to X. Then come back, state your problem and write those errors here, by hand, but don't paste. |
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| 03:20.17 | Nexus | Anyone have a good site for teaching me how to setup thin clients that use PXE at boot? |
| 03:20.23 | RiZLA | oh ok, later. |
| 03:20.27 | nvz | I am sure you didn't do it right or we wouldnt be talking about it like this :P |
| 03:21.16 | nvz | would be easier IMO to sudo apt-get install screen irssi; screen irssi |
| 03:21.24 | Mardus | nvz: For a little, I entertained the idea of asking RiZLA his/her age. |
| 03:21.31 | Mardus | * for a little time |
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| 03:22.08 | nvz | then when you get X working you open a terminal and screen -R -D and it detaches your screen from the console, logs you out and brings your screen to X with you |
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| 03:22.32 | sn00p | How do I configure my mouse and start moused? |
| 03:22.43 | nvz | wtf is a moused? |
| 03:22.45 | Mardus | nvz: RiZLA had quit already. |
| 03:22.59 | sn00p | mouse deamon |
| 03:23.00 | Mardus | nvz: Oh, you're helping someone else. |
| 03:23.00 | nvz | Mardus: I know this. |
| 03:23.06 | nvz | Mardus: I was talking to you |
| 03:23.22 | nvz | Mardus: you are the one who gave him windows methods of multiple reboots |
| 03:23.34 | nvz | Mardus: I suggested he load linux and fuckin stay there :P |
| 03:23.44 | nvz | learn how to use it maybe |
| 03:23.49 | Phated | Yeh! |
| 03:23.56 | Phated | Heh, sorry. |
| 03:24.10 | Mardus | Nice petting going on. |
| 03:24.29 | sn00p | Mardus: do you know how to configure the mouse in debian? |
| 03:24.49 | Mardus | nvz: sn00p: I barely do. |
| 03:24.53 | Mardus | Gah |
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| 03:25.17 | Mardus | sn00p: I barely do, usually whe I see all the config stuff myself. |
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| 03:25.39 | nvz | I never had to configure my mouse, you plug it in, load a driver.. move it around |
| 03:25.48 | sn00p | They dont have an option in base config |
| 03:25.55 | nvz | unless you got like a synaptics touchpad or something fancy there is nothing really to configure |
| 03:26.11 | sn00p | FreeBSD gave you an option |
| 03:26.12 | Phated | Maybe loading the driver is what they mean when they say config. |
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| 03:26.34 | nvz | sn00p: how so do you need to configure a mouse? |
| 03:26.43 | nvz | sn00p: you need console mouse services like gpm? |
| 03:26.54 | nvz | or you need a corepointer for X? |
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| 03:27.07 | sn00p | I think I have to compile my kernel |
| 03:27.12 | Mardus | Phated: Maybe they confuse 'configuring' with 'setting up to work'. |
| 03:27.14 | sn00p | usb devices aren't showing up |
| 03:27.15 | nvz | nobody really _needs_ console mouse services |
| 03:27.26 | Phated | Pasting is useful. |
| 03:27.26 | Mardus | nvz: I might do, but not now. |
| 03:27.27 | nvz | sn00p: what kernel version are you using? |
| 03:27.33 | sn00p | BitchX-1.1-final+ by panasync - Linux 2.2.20-idepci |
| 03:27.47 | sn00p | Did you see that? |
| 03:27.52 | nvz | Phated: thats what screen is for |
| 03:28.09 | Phated | *shrug* I use X and screen. |
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| 03:28.15 | nvz | sn00p: where the hell did you find 2.2.20-idepci? you using woody? |
| 03:28.16 | RiZLA | hey |
| 03:28.25 | RiZLA | ok |
| 03:28.26 | mtnman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.29 | Mardus | nvz: I still don't get the "When you get x working, you open a terminal window..." thing |
| 03:28.31 | nvz | Phated: me too :) |
| 03:28.32 | sn00p | nvz: yea minimal install |
| 03:28.47 | RiZLA | using config file etx/x11/xf86config4- |
| 03:28.55 | nvz | Mardus: you obviously dont know about screen, or never read what I said before |
| 03:28.56 | RiZLA | fatal server error : no screens found |
| 03:29.03 | RiZLA | undefined inputdevice configured mouse |
| 03:29.11 | RiZLA | problem parsing the config file |
| 03:29.11 | fiveiron_ | is there any way to find out what programs apt-get can get? |
| 03:29.18 | nvz | sn00p: you should change your souces list to sarge and dist-upgrade if you can for starters |
| 03:29.20 | RiZLA | package browser =/ |
| 03:29.26 | _daniel_ | fiveiron, apt-cache search |
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| 03:29.38 | Phated | fiveiron_: apt-cache search, apt-cache show, synaptic. |
| 03:29.40 | fiveiron_ | ah |
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| 03:29.49 | fiveiron_ | thanks |
| 03:29.52 | sn00p | i'm gonna d/l a new kernel first |
| 03:29.57 | Phated | If you want to browse around, synaptic is nice. |
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| 03:30.04 | Mardus | nvz: That was because I didn't quite pay attention to what you wrote before, because I was talking to RiZLA... |
| 03:30.12 | nvz | sn00p: there are newer kernels in sarge |
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| 03:30.34 | sn00p | How do I upgrade to sarge? |
| 03:30.48 | nvz | Mardus: I was saying he needs to boot his linux partitoin and login on tty1 and sudo apt-get install screen irssi; screen irssi |
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| 03:31.22 | Phated | sn00p: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 03:31.38 | nvz | Mardus: then he could come here and get help fixing X and when he got it fixed he could open a terminal window in X and type screen -R -D which would detach the screen session on tty1 and log him out there and bring it to his X-terminal-emulator so he could continue chatting |
| 03:31.39 | Mardus | nvz: I think epic4 is already there and it then logs right in to irc.freenode.net (unlike irssi) |
| 03:31.49 | RiZLA | mardus |
| 03:31.58 | Mardus | nvz: Well, yea, now I get your idea. |
| 03:32.26 | nvz | Mardus: why the hell would epic4 be there already, and how could you disgrace irssi like that |
| 03:32.35 | fiveiron_ | ok... i see lots of qt3 stuff, but which package is just plain old qt3? |
| 03:32.44 | Mardus | nvz: LOL |
| 03:32.56 | Phated | I think it's a disgrace to epic4, actually ("We're so dumb we need our clients to log on for us!") |
| 03:32.56 | nvz | !yinzersmite Mardus |
| 03:33.03 | RiZLA | maruds |
| 03:33.17 | Mardus | RiZLA: Yes, I am here. |
| 03:33.18 | nvz | earth to RiZLA do you copy? over. |
| 03:33.18 | RiZLA | fatal server error: no screens found |
| 03:33.32 | RiZLA | problem parsing the config file |
| 03:33.41 | Phated | Did you edit this config file by hand? |
| 03:33.42 | Mardus | RiZLA, well, the purpose of your giving the errors might give other people a clue as to why X doesn't load. |
| 03:33.44 | RiZLA | using config file etc-x11/xf86config-4 |
| 03:33.57 | Mardus | Phated: I wanted to ask him/her that, too. |
| 03:33.57 | RiZLA | basically |
| 03:34.08 | nvz | the fatal server error is irrelevant really. its what raised that error thats significant |
| 03:34.13 | RiZLA | x11/xf86config-4 is failing |
| 03:34.17 | sn00p | ok, its d/l'ing |
| 03:34.23 | RiZLA | problem parsing the config file |
| 03:34.24 | sn00p | yippy |
| 03:34.29 | Phated | Ehm... heh, you're not exactly using the right config file, either, unless Debian changed the config location. |
| 03:34.33 | Mardus | RiZLA: Yea, we know the error already. |
| 03:34.35 | RiZLA | error from xf86 handle config file |
| 03:34.49 | RiZLA | how can i solve this >_> |
| 03:35.08 | Mardus | RiZLA: I don't think the config file is failing. Can you tell me this -- did you edid the file by hand? |
| 03:35.09 | sn00p | nvz: My system is very minimal so it shouldn't take long hopefully |
| 03:35.11 | fiveiron_ | which package should i install if i just want qt3? |
| 03:35.20 | Mardus | RiZLA: * edit |
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| 03:35.29 | RiZLA | i did |
| 03:35.33 | sn00p | nvz: thank you |
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| 03:35.36 | RiZLA | i edited it |
| 03:35.39 | Phated | Hah. Have fun. |
| 03:35.40 | nvz | sn00p: yeah thats what I was thinking. I dont know why or how you got and installed woody but if you havent gone far yet its best to just upgrade now |
| 03:35.43 | RiZLA | some settings and saved it, thinking it would work |
| 03:35.51 | abydos | which package do I dpkg-reconfigure to change network settings? |
| 03:36.01 | RabbitTheRat | where is the file to add your start up commands to |
| 03:36.06 | RabbitTheRat | like the rc.local version for debian is ? |
| 03:36.10 | RiZLA | so i edited it, next boot it didnt work |
| 03:36.23 | Mardus | RiZLA: Ah well, usually the best practice is to back up the old file (copy it, rename it) and then muck around. |
| 03:36.24 | nvz | sn00p: its easier to help with sarge its still fairly fresh in our minds. we just marched him out the door 2 months ago |
| 03:36.42 | RiZLA | yeah it backed it up |
| 03:36.51 | RiZLA | maybe i could get that and rename it ;/? |
| 03:37.02 | sn00p | so woody is like old distro |
| 03:37.03 | nvz | RiZLA: Mardus not to mention if he edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 then he tried to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it didnt do anything |
| 03:37.21 | RabbitTheRat | where is the file to add your start up commands to in debian? like redhat has rc.local , what is it for debian ??? |
| 03:37.35 | nvz | someone really should file a bug making that debconf script tell you if it fails to write the configuration |
| 03:37.45 | Mardus | nvz: I once did. |
| 03:38.08 | Mardus | nvz, RiZLA: I thought that the file edited had a mistake in it written by hand. |
| 03:38.12 | nvz | would even be nice if maybe it told you how or offered to update the checksum for you |
| 03:38.24 | RiZLA | i mucked around with some files.. |
| 03:38.30 | RiZLA | well that one and the sectors in it |
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| 03:39.07 | Mardus | nvz: A similar think happened with me, I think when I made an update to woody, around 12.2004 or so. |
| 03:39.13 | trident_DX | hello peeps |
| 03:39.15 | Mardus | nvz: * thing |
| 03:39.26 | trident_DX | m new here |
| 03:39.29 | RiZLA | what can i do to solve this problem |
| 03:39.37 | trident_DX | just trying the xchat of knoppix |
| 03:39.53 | Mardus | trident_DX: How old are you? |
| 03:39.54 | nvz | RiZLA: you see the debconf script (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86) writes a checksum of your configuration when it writes the file if it doesnt exist. if it does exist it compares the current checksum of the config with that checksum, and if they dont match it doesnt write the file. |
| 03:40.02 | trident_DX | m 27 |
| 03:40.14 | Gnea | ooo, xorg is now in sid |
| 03:40.14 | trident_DX | hi mardus |
| 03:40.17 | mwilson | RabbitTheRat: Isn't one, of course. |
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| 03:40.41 | nvz | RiZLA: therefore what you mentioned earlier swearing you did the settings right in the dpkg-reconfigure didnt matter if you edited the file without updating the checksum.. because dpkg-reconfigure can no longer modify that config file |
| 03:40.57 | RiZLA | what can i do |
| 03:41.10 | Gnea | RiZLA: pull your head out of your anal cavity, for starters |
| 03:41.10 | trident_DX | is this the main channel of xchat??? |
| 03:41.18 | Mardus | RiZLA: Perhaps if you rename the current XF86Config-4 file, by adding it such text, as not_working or something, then you rename the backed up file (then one with which you didn't have problems) to XF86Config-r |
| 03:41.20 | Gnea | trident_DX: no |
| 03:41.25 | trident_DX | oic |
| 03:41.27 | Mardus | RiZLA: Sorry, to XF86Config-4 |
| 03:41.29 | nvz | RiZLA: update the checksum and if you think you know how to configure it properly with dpkg-reconfigure just try it again. |
| 03:41.45 | RiZLA | mardus |
| 03:41.46 | mwilson | RiZLA: Actually read the comments at the head of the automatically generated file? |
| 03:41.57 | RiZLA | im abit of a newb |
| 03:42.00 | Mardus | nvz: Wouldn't it be better for him to delete the file and then do dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 03:42.02 | RiZLA | my second day using debian.. |
| 03:42.04 | trident_DX | anyone know how to install the yahoo messenger in knoppix??? |
| 03:42.05 | nvz | !newb |
| 03:42.06 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 03:42.13 | Gnea | !? |
| 03:42.18 | Gnea | !??? |
| 03:42.20 | Mardus | RiZLA: Don't worry, I was there, too, one time... |
| 03:42.24 | DoppelGanger | h ehe |
| 03:42.27 | nvz | trident_DX: sure, does anyone care? nope. this is #debian not #knoppix |
| 03:42.28 | RiZLA | glad i can relate |
| 03:42.29 | trident_DX | cause m having a problem superuser privilege |
| 03:42.32 | Gnea | trident_DX: no need to use more than one ? |
| 03:42.37 | DoppelGanger | ha ah |
| 03:42.39 | RiZLA | well |
| 03:42.44 | trident_DX | oh sorry |
| 03:42.48 | Mardus | trident_DX: Use gaim there in Knoppix |
| 03:42.56 | DoppelGanger | man ppl can't even read anymore |
| 03:42.57 | RiZLA | shall i delete this file and run dpkg again? |
| 03:43.07 | mwilson | RiZLA: What will that do? |
| 03:43.09 | Mardus | RiZLA: No, rename it. |
| 03:43.21 | mwilson | Or that? |
| 03:43.23 | RiZLA | can you send me a pm for renaming and deleteing files |
| 03:43.25 | Gnea | we already know you're an idiot, no need to make it worse - just use the su command and you'll be fine |
| 03:43.43 | nvz | Mardus: I used yahoo recently to talk to my uncle. neither the Java Chat or Gaim, bitlbee..etc worked with Yahoo Instant Messages. I could recieve them but not send them. Yahoo! Messenger package from messenger.yahoo.com worked fine |
| 03:44.14 | mwilson | nvz: I can't imagine needing to talk to someone so badlly that I'd be willing to bother with Yahoo. |
| 03:44.16 | nvz | Mardus: I had my firewall off too.. so I dont know if yahoo changed protocol again or what.. but for whatever reason that was all I could get to work |
| 03:44.19 | Mardus | nvz: At the time I wanted to install it, it didn't. Well, at the time I didn't quite have a grasp of package management. |
| 03:44.30 | Gnea | !newbie-guide |
| 03:44.31 | dpkg | well, newbie-guide is you've decided to do away with windows or are pondering it and want to use Linux.. good for you! But this isn't windows, you can't just install it and be up and running unless it's a livecd, that isn't even finished yet.. you need to RTFM (Read The Fine Manual) which are located at http://www.justlinux.com and http://www.tldp.org, also see http://www.debian.org and http://www.google.com chances are they know the answer! |
| 03:44.39 | nvz | mwilson: yeah I hate doing it.. but my uncle is a knucklehead and uses yahoo |
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| 03:45.00 | Mardus | nvz: gaim for Y!M works fine on woody... |
| 03:45.05 | Lindz | is anyone in here a;pme?! |
| 03:45.09 | Lindz | alive** |
| 03:45.14 | DoppelGanger | wow |
| 03:45.19 | RiZLA | ok as i was saying |
| 03:45.20 | DaLeach | never supposed to delete the lock file in /var/cache/apt/archives right? |
| 03:45.21 | Mardus | RiZLA: Lemme think... |
| 03:45.27 | RiZLA | how can i rename these files |
| 03:45.34 | RiZLA | i need the command |
| 03:45.37 | mwilson | DaLeach: What would lead you to think you needed to? |
| 03:45.39 | trident_DX | ok thanks to all response |
| 03:45.50 | Mardus | RiZLA: One thing you can do, is this, copy the file by renaming it: cp XF86Config-4 XF86Config-4.old |
| 03:45.50 | DoppelGanger | RiZLA: google i need the command :) |
| 03:45.54 | trident_DX | bye peeps |
| 03:45.57 | nvz | mwilson: he lives with a rich banker woman he met on Yahoo! Chat who bought him a 100th anneversery Harly Davidson with custom Candy-Apple Red Paint job and she rathers he not work. |
| 03:45.57 | mwilson | Gnea: Why can't he just read the top of the file, which tells him what to do? |
| 03:45.58 | Mardus | RiZLA: cp stands for copy |
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| 03:46.10 | Gnea | mwilson: i don't know, i'm not him |
| 03:46.29 | RiZLA | hm |
| 03:46.40 | RiZLA | why would i need the copy command |
| 03:46.42 | RiZLA | i need rename |
| 03:46.45 | nvz | mwilson: apperently yahoo isnt all bad.. though I never had luck of meeting anyone. just porn bots |
| 03:47.07 | PF | Lindz: No, we're all dead...killed by Islamo-Fascist's |
| 03:47.10 | Mardus | RiZLA: cp <filename> <filenamesomethingelse> is making a copy of a file with a different name |
| 03:47.23 | RiZLA | all thanks alot |
| 03:47.30 | RiZLA | do i need to include the extension? |
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| 03:47.44 | DoppelGanger | k enough |
| 03:47.46 | DoppelGanger | RiZLA: man cp |
| 03:47.49 | Mardus | RiZLA: .old is for your own information. |
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| 03:47.57 | RiZLA | laters |
| 03:47.59 | fitzsim_ | anyone know if k3b supports flac files on debian? |
| 03:48.05 | fitzsim_ | and if so how to make it recognize them? |
| 03:48.17 | Mardus | Darn, I wasn't finished yet. |
| 03:48.31 | Mardus | Ah, he will be back anyway. |
| 03:48.32 | mwilson | DaLeach: Did I ask you to /msg me, and just don't remember it? |
| 03:48.38 | nvz | Mardus: and I thought I was bored. |
| 03:49.19 | mwilson | DaLeach: If you have something to say, that's what the channel is for. |
| 03:49.36 | Mardus | nvz: Well, he (or she) is young and restless. I think there's a soap opera with that name -- "The Young and the Restless"... |
| 03:49.55 | nvz | yahoo is actually from what I gather looking around.. in the process of finally doing something about their shitty porn-bot infested chat network where old bald gay men roleplay little girls and boys with each other |
| 03:49.58 | DaLeach | mwilson: that's what others have done dind't think it was a big deal |
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| 03:50.27 | mwilson | DaLeach: Now you know better. |
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| 03:51.39 | Mardus | nvz: Did you suggest to RiZLA that if XF86Config-4 is not there, dpkg-reconfigure will write a new file? I think it does so, but I need to know your confirmation on that... |
| 03:51.43 | nvz | they've temp disabled user chat rooms, and they are enhancing many features.. who knows if it will work and for how long when they are done. the kiddies so enjoy attacking their network |
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| 03:52.23 | nvz | Mardus: in his case debconf will not write anything because he has no config file which matches his checksum file |
| 03:52.35 | Mardus | nvz: Oh crap. |
| 03:52.37 | nvz | Mardus: he would have to delete or update the checksum |
| 03:53.10 | nvz | Mardus: you cant just edit your X config by hand without updating the checksum if you ever plan on using debconf to manage it again. |
| 03:53.20 | sn00p | nvz |
| 03:53.28 | nvz | Mardus: this is a fail-safe that prevents the maintainer or debconf from hosing your custom settings |
| 03:53.37 | sn00p | nvz: it says e dit the source.list non local mentions I dont find any woody in there |
| 03:53.37 | nvz | sn00p: |
| 03:53.54 | Mardus | nvz: Well, that's sensible. |
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| 03:54.39 | sn00p | nvz: All I find is stable etc |
| 03:54.52 | nvz | Mardus: not really. would be sensible if it told you after asking you twice if you wanted to write two different sections to the config file, that those sections could not be writted due to a mismatch of checksums or something. |
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| 03:55.25 | nvz | Mardus: instead it leads you to believe the settings you choose in debconf were in fact written and you go on banging your head against the wall as to why you get the same error |
| 03:55.35 | Mardus | nvz: Well, then it's just 50% sensible. |
| 03:55.38 | nvz | Mardus: which is where he is at right now |
| 03:55.44 | Mardus | nvz: Mhmh |
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| 03:55.47 | RiZLA | ok |
| 03:56.02 | RiZLA | cant someone just pm me with basic instructions on how to sort this >_> |
| 03:56.10 | Mardus | nvz: Actually, during my first days using debian, I got x working and stuff and then made updates and after that the cursor didn't work. I came here for help, stated my problem and people started saying I file a bug on that. |
| 03:56.26 | sn00p | nvz: there is no woody in the source.list |
| 03:56.34 | Mardus | RiZLA: nvz explained me where you are at with debconf. |
| 03:56.38 | nvz | sn00p: stable and woody mean the same things |
| 03:56.47 | nvz | sn00p: well they did mean the same thing |
| 03:56.52 | sn00p | nvz: So I just ch ange that to sarge? |
| 03:56.52 | nvz | sn00p: now stable means sarge |
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| 03:57.11 | nvz | sn00p: most package mirrors linked stable and sarge when sarge released |
| 03:57.13 | Mardus | RiZLA: Could you get to the net from debian at a time when X was working? |
| 03:57.15 | Gnea | an upgrade now with 'stable' on the line would result in sarge being implemented |
| 03:57.24 | RiZLA | yeah |
| 03:57.25 | sn00p | Why does it say change it to sarge then |
| 03:57.31 | RiZLA | i still can, eg, apt-get a package |
| 03:57.45 | RiZLA | just give me simple instructions in a pm, and i'll write it down and hopefully it should fix it |
| 03:57.46 | nvz | sn00p: if your sources list already says stable then you should safely be able to apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade from woody->sarge without editing that file |
| 03:57.55 | Gnea | sn00p: it doesn't really matter |
| 03:58.02 | nvz | sn00p: that factoid was created when sarge was testing and woody was the current stable |
| 03:58.23 | sn00p | nvz: ok, i've already done it how do I check to see if it did it right? |
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| 03:58.45 | nvz | sn00p: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:58.49 | nvz | sn00p: performs the upgrade |
| 03:58.50 | sn00p | Did that |
| 03:58.51 | RiZLA | just send me a pm with the basic instructions and i would be very greatfull |
| 03:59.03 | Mardus | RiZLA: I don't know all these simple instructions, I think nvz is more knowledgable. The thing is that when you do dpkg-recnfigure, debconf gives you the idea that it supposedly writes the XF86Config-4 file, while it doesn't, because the file's checksum is not deleted. |
| 03:59.10 | sn00p | nvz: did that only took like 5 minutes |
| 03:59.28 | RiZLA | gah |
| 03:59.29 | RiZLA | nvz |
| 03:59.39 | RiZLA | can you send me a pm with how to sort this problem, i would be greatfull? |
| 03:59.52 | nvz | sn00p: ok well if you want to verify what version you have you could cat /etc/debian_version or dpkg -l libc6 or something |
| 03:59.55 | Mardus | RiZLA: Sorting out problems in here don't go through private chatting. |
| 04:00.06 | RiZLA | :] |
| 04:00.07 | sn00p | ok, guess not |
| 04:00.07 | RiZLA | god |
| 04:00.11 | Gnea | wtf.. x.org doesn't do ctrl-alt-+ or ctrl-alt--? |
| 04:00.12 | sn00p | its its doing it now |
| 04:00.15 | liable | !tell RiZLA about xmd5 |
| 04:00.20 | RiZLA | just give me the simple stuff in steps, i would be super greafull B) |
| 04:00.34 | nvz | sn00p: should be 3.1 and 2.3.2-ds1-22 |
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| 04:00.52 | mwilson | Gnea: Dunno about yours, but mine does. |
| 04:00.52 | liable | RiZLA: just do the last one command |
| 04:00.55 | sn00p | I get invalid option |
| 04:00.57 | sn00p | distupgrade |
| 04:01.04 | liable | RiZLA: then reconfigure x again.. |
| 04:01.17 | mwilson | sn00p: Yes, making up options at random seldom works. |
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| 04:01.49 | mwilson | sn00p: apt-get has a man page for this purpose. |
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| 04:02.02 | Mardus | RiZLA: What liable says is correct. |
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| 04:02.20 | nvz | mwilson: its not like I didnt tell him what to type twice |
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| 04:04.53 | delmar | Hi everyone. I'm having some trouble installing and configuring xserver-xfree86. When installed fresh, it creates a blank/empty config /etc/X11/XF86Config. I have checked and re-checked the md5sums in /var/lib/xfree86 etc but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 wont output a working config.. anyone have any thoughts on this please? |
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| 04:05.37 | Mardus | delmar: Yea, we just have (or had) one person who ran into the same issue, I think. Only he is way younger than you are. |
| 04:05.50 | liable | delmar: it doesnt save the file, or you dont get a working x? |
| 04:06.10 | delmar | it seems that the file isn't being saved. |
| 04:06.27 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:06.53 | delmar | even if I do it kinda manually.. by using xdebconfigure and dexconf -o somefilename it just doesnt work |
| 04:06.59 | delmar | its like.. dexconf is broke. |
| 04:07.02 | wishie | im just doing an apt-get upgrade now, and it keeps stopping on base-config, with the following error.. |
| 04:07.07 | Gnea | mwilson: this is getting a bit hairy - X is coming up ok with a grey screen and cursor, but changing mode isn't working - also this is on a laptop, it's got a special resolution up to 1400x1050 but it doesn't want to recognize it... could be the generic nv driver? |
| 04:07.14 | wishie | /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-config.postinst: line 59: syntax error near unexpected token `db_fset' |
| 04:07.21 | Mardus | Maybe delmar has an old video card, just like me... |
| 04:07.23 | delmar | sorry... XConfig-4 is what im after and its not doing it ;P |
| 04:07.25 | wishie | anyone else experiencing this ? or know how to fix it |
| 04:08.00 | delmar | ignore my previous ref. to XF86Config .. I mean XF86Config-4 |
| 04:08.19 | nvz | wishie: never happened to me. but if it had. I would edit the damn script and goto line 59 thats for sure |
| 04:08.36 | wishie | hmm |
| 04:09.14 | nvz | I know what you're thinking.. where do I come up with this shit |
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| 04:09.26 | delmar | so yeah, fresh install of xserver-xfree86 and all I get is a 0byte XF86Config-4 file |
| 04:09.31 | Guerin | wishie: someone was complaining about this error yesterday. Check BTS. |
| 04:09.47 | Guerin | !drxx delmar |
| 04:09.47 | dpkg | delmar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:09.48 | wishie | nvz: nah, it just all looks fine to me.. |
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| 04:10.02 | nvz | delmar: checked logs or something? sure there isnt some rare condition like out of space or something on your system that could be causing problems? |
| 04:10.33 | nvz | wishie: take your beer goggles off :) heh or do what Guerin says |
| 04:10.40 | delmar | nvz, plenty of space. nothing in the logs indicating anything wierd. |
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| 04:11.21 | delmar | Guerin, yeah I checked all that. the md5sums in /var/lib/xfree86 match the 0byte XF86Config-4 file in /etc/X11 |
| 04:11.53 | nvz | yee haw *big texas smile* |
| 04:11.54 | wishie | fixed. thanks. |
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| 04:12.17 | wishie | nvz: yeah, looked a bit harder, and found it..heh |
| 04:12.19 | delmar | googling around, most of what I can find is people having issues with the md5sums |
| 04:12.22 | wishie | damn beer goggles. |
| 04:12.26 | nvz | heh |
| 04:12.28 | Mardus | nvz: btw, past 07:00 right now at where I am and I am quite tired. I now have a routine, when by mornings I get very tired, go to sleep and wake up in the afternoon. I just wanted to explain why is it that I hadn't been very sharp in here today. |
| 04:12.36 | Guerin | delmar: sarge? |
| 04:12.40 | delmar | the wierd thing is, dexconf is supposed to output the config regardless. |
| 04:12.44 | delmar | Guerin, yeah |
| 04:12.47 | Husam | delmar - o_O |
| 04:12.54 | delmar | mmm? |
| 04:13.09 | Sinistar | ok, i have a problem with my cd player/writer/dvd drive. it has suddenly decided to stop being recognized |
| 04:13.09 | nvz | Mardus: yeah. sounds like you are suffering from similar problems as I. depression, boredom the whole 9 yards |
| 04:13.10 | Husam | Are yo named delmar because that is the name of a popular area in San Diego? |
| 04:13.12 | Mardus | delmar: Guerin wants to know if you're using debian woody or sarge or something experimental. |
| 04:13.17 | Husam | Or are you really from new zealand (n) |
| 04:13.20 | nvz | Insomnia |
| 04:13.38 | nvz | its only 12:10am here |
| 04:13.59 | Mardus | nvz: What's does the "whole nine yards" mean anyway? I know what the words mean, except the distance perhaps, because I grew up with a metric system... |
| 04:14.00 | RabbitTheRat | soz back |
| 04:14.00 | nvz | I've been tired all day. just feels like I should be doing something more interesting than sleeping |
| 04:14.00 | Sinistar | i beleive the release is 2.4.24 |
| 04:14.06 | wishie | its 2:13pm here, and i start work soon.. |
| 04:14.08 | RabbitTheRat | anyone know what file holds the startup commands/scripts for debian |
| 04:14.17 | RabbitTheRat | like redhat uses rc.local, what does debian use |
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| 04:14.22 | RiZLA | cool it didnt work =D |
| 04:14.26 | wishie | RabbitTheRat: scripts in /etc/init.d/ you mean ? |
| 04:14.29 | RiZLA | damn dude, i really need some advise. |
| 04:14.31 | delmar | Mardus, NZ. |
| 04:14.45 | RabbitTheRat | well i need to run a ftpfs mount at boot |
| 04:14.46 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 04:14.46 | RiZLA | its 05:14, im getting tired=) |
| 04:14.49 | delmar | im gonna go muck about with some packages a bit. |
| 04:14.53 | RabbitTheRat | if i place it in a script in init.d will that work ? |
| 04:15.00 | tengulre | I hate Xwindows!! |
| 04:15.03 | Mardus | delmar: New Zealand, I presume? |
| 04:15.07 | nvz | Mardus: heh in means All 8.23 Meters .. heh |
| 04:15.16 | delmar | Mardus, yeah. |
| 04:15.17 | RiZLA | nvz |
| 04:15.21 | RiZLA | can you help? |
| 04:15.24 | RiZLA | im sick of this |
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| 04:15.27 | wishie | RabbitTheRat: scripts in there (well, symlinks) get run at boot up. |
| 04:15.31 | Sinistar | so can anyone shed some light on this? |
| 04:15.34 | RabbitTheRat | ok |
| 04:15.40 | RabbitTheRat | thanks wishie |
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| 04:15.41 | nvz | RiZLA: me too I've even considered ignoring you just to make my life easier |
| 04:15.48 | wishie | RabbitTheRat: what are you trying to do ? |
| 04:15.51 | Mardus | nvz: My depression accelerated three weeks ago when I got robbed. I was lucky that I didn't get mugged and only money was robbed (I had my phone with me in a backback and I then was luckier that I hadn't lent two Frontline Assembly CD's from my best friend). |
| 04:15.55 | nvz | and I've been here nearly 5 years and never ignored anyone |
| 04:16.06 | RiZLA | dude |
| 04:16.08 | RiZLA | all you need to do |
| 04:16.08 | TK-1 | morning |
| 04:16.11 | RiZLA | is give me the command lines |
| 04:16.12 | RiZLA | :] |
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| 04:16.31 | RiZLA | and you would be a huge help |
| 04:16.44 | Mardus | RiZLA: You have the command line... You went away so fast I couldn't tell you that you could log in to Linux in console, go to a console chat and we'd help you from there. |
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| 04:16.56 | Mardus | RiZLA: don't push your luck, they are a huge help. |
| 04:16.59 | nvz | RiZLA: you said long ago you swear you configured X right in dpkg-reconfigure. and also that you edited the file by hand. you probably just need to update teh checksum on the config file and dpkg-reconfigure again |
| 04:17.09 | Phoenix92x | hi, would someone mind helping me get gnome running? |
| 04:17.12 | nvz | I've explained it way too many times already |
| 04:17.13 | RiZLA | nvz |
| 04:17.15 | Phoenix92x | I type "gdm" and it says "Command not found" |
| 04:17.27 | RiZLA | can you tell me how to update the checksum on the config file |
| 04:17.27 | Phoenix92x | and I know I installed it |
| 04:17.30 | Phoenix92x | Im really frustrated |
| 04:17.41 | RiZLA | then i can do the rest with ease |
| 04:17.57 | Sinistar | hi, i need some help |
| 04:18.05 | Mardus | I thought the checksum had to be deleted (or updated) for the dpkg-reconfigure to make a new file. |
| 04:18.11 | nvz | RiZLA: login as root and type this |
| 04:18.15 | nvz | RiZLA: md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 04:18.16 | RiZLA | im listening |
| 04:18.16 | liable | RiZLA: there is instructions at the top of the file.. |
| 04:18.24 | RiZLA | just that? |
| 04:18.45 | Phoenix92x | I dont know why but every time I try and get linux running I fail |
| 04:18.48 | Phoenix92x | and its really getting to me |
| 04:18.53 | nvz | RiZLA: yep then you can safely use debconf (dpkg-reconfigure) to manage your X config again as long as you dont ever edit it by hand without updating that checksum again |
| 04:19.14 | nvz | RiZLA: if you edit the file without doing that, then debconf will not actually write changes to the file anymore. |
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| 04:19.29 | TK-1 | anyadvice 4 a good ftpd client? |
| 04:19.30 | Phoenix92x | so if anyone could help me get gnome running I would really appreciate it |
| 04:19.34 | nvz | RiZLA: this is so that the debconf or maintainer cannot overwrite custom configurations made by the user. its a fail-safe. |
| 04:19.40 | TK-1 | only need it 4 websites |
| 04:19.42 | liable | Phoenix92x: install gdm, if x is configured right, it should start, if not you will get errors. |
| 04:19.45 | Mardus | Phoenix92x: apt-get install gnome |
| 04:19.54 | Phoenix92x | ok |
| 04:19.56 | Phoenix92x | Ill do that |
| 04:19.57 | Phoenix92x | one moment |
| 04:20.14 | delmar | Guerin, im running unstable/sid here. |
| 04:20.38 | darose | TK-1: You a KDE user? |
| 04:20.45 | Sinistar | hi. i need some help |
| 04:20.47 | Phoenix92x | Im going to do that in a sec, but a question, shouldnt gdm be installed when I install gnome during install? |
| 04:21.02 | deadcat | Phoenix92x: if you dont have gdm. then no |
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| 04:21.16 | liable | Phoenix92x: how did you install gnome? |
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| 04:21.36 | RiZLA | also just another quck question, with debconf, with the chipset/graphics, nv and sis are on there, 1 is my graphics card and 1 is my chipset, which one shall i choose? |
| 04:21.49 | TK-1 | KDE eh? |
| 04:21.57 | TK-1 | sry its 5:30 am lol |
| 04:22.01 | Phoenix92x | I had "desktop environments" selected during the original debian install |
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| 04:22.12 | Sinistar | hello? |
| 04:22.20 | TK-1 | what do u ppl think of proftpd? |
| 04:22.22 | liable | RiZLA: for x? the graphics one.. |
| 04:22.24 | RiZLA | phonenix |
| 04:22.24 | nvz | TK-1: pretend you are in Leetsdale, its only 12:20am |
| 04:22.28 | RiZLA | oh ok |
| 04:22.29 | Mardus | Sinistar: state your problem, don't ask for custom hand-holding. |
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| 04:22.32 | darose | i like vsftpd |
| 04:22.33 | RiZLA | type startx |
| 04:22.43 | Phoenix92x | RiZLA: I did, it said command not found |
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| 04:22.47 | destiny_ | hi |
| 04:22.49 | Sinistar | i actually did already, but here goes |
| 04:22.50 | liable | Phoenix92x: ok, then gnome and gdm should be installed, x wont start because you configured it wrong. |
| 04:22.51 | RiZLA | hm |
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| 04:23.02 | RiZLA | what are you using phoneix, netinst or the cd 1 binary? |
| 04:23.07 | TK-1 | lol nvz i wish i could but the tiredness is catching up must sleep soon lol |
| 04:23.13 | Phoenix92x | RiZLA: netinst |
| 04:23.17 | RiZLA | ah |
| 04:23.20 | RiZLA | apt-get install gnome |
| 04:23.23 | nvz | TK-1: its literally all in your head |
| 04:23.24 | Phoenix92x | liable: how do you think I configured it wrong? |
| 04:23.25 | RiZLA | install then run startx |
| 04:23.25 | Sinistar | my cd drive just suddenly decided to stop opening. |
| 04:23.25 | liable | Phoenix92x: the command to start gdm btw is /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 04:23.30 | darose | TK-1: use vsftpd |
| 04:23.31 | Phoenix92x | liable: because I have no clue... |
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| 04:23.52 | TK-1 | kk ill use vsftpd then :) |
| 04:23.53 | liable | Phoenix92x: look in /var/log/xserverxfree log for EE lines.. |
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| 04:24.16 | Phoenix92x | liable: what are EE lines? |
| 04:24.30 | xbm-x | does any one know a chat room where they talk about programing |
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| 04:24.39 | nvz | TK-1: I've looked hard and can find no physical benefits of sleep. your body rests when you sit or lay down. replenishes cells all day long. all you need sleep for is because your mind doesnt operate effeciently and you have to take some downtime to gabage collect to avoid shell-shocking yourself |
| 04:24.42 | delmar | So I'm running unstable/sid and when installing xserver-xfree86 (ver 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14) I'm getting a blank/empty XF86Config-4 file in /etc/X11, and so far i haven't been able to get a working XF86Config-4 file generated.... anyone have any suggestions or things I should look at? |
| 04:24.47 | Gnea | xbm-x: any languange channel |
| 04:24.50 | liable | Phoenix92x: errors, read the log it will tell you |
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| 04:25.04 | RiZLA | what would happen if you didn't sleep for 60 hours, hallucination? |
| 04:25.20 | Gnea | delmar: that might have to do with the fact that X.org is now in sid |
| 04:25.22 | Phoenix92x | liable: I dont think Id understand the errors, I dont really know programming or linux that well |
| 04:25.34 | delmar | Gnea, how so ? |
| 04:25.39 | Sinistar | mkay |
| 04:25.44 | liable | Phoenix92x: just read them, and tell us what they say. |
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| 04:25.49 | Phoenix92x | ok |
| 04:25.54 | delmar | Gnea and what is that anyway, should I be using that instead? |
| 04:25.57 | nvz | RiZLA: its not a result of lack of sleep, its a result of overdosing on life, reality whatever you want to call it.. and its not even that.. its really more about how you percieve it and let it affect you |
| 04:26.07 | Phoenix92x | let me try apt-get install gnome first just for the heck of it |
| 04:26.11 | Phoenix92x | then Ill check for EE lines |
| 04:26.14 | Phoenix92x | why are they called that anyway? |
| 04:26.37 | xbm-x | how do i identified on a irc chat room? |
| 04:26.49 | Sinistar | well ok fellas, thanks anyway |
| 04:27.13 | Gnea | !tell delmar about xorg |
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| 04:27.40 | Mardus | Maybe EE stands for EEsti (Estonia) |
| 04:27.42 | Gnea | xbm-x: /msg nickserv help |
| 04:27.51 | delmar | Gnea, well it can't hurt to try it :P |
| 04:27.57 | destiny_ | instead of doing a distro-upgrade in 1 sitting, can you update programs one at a time daily? |
| 04:27.57 | xbm-x | tys |
| 04:28.05 | Gnea | delmar: hehe, i am right now for the first time |
| 04:28.06 | liable | EE is explained if you read the damn log.. |
| 04:28.18 | deadcat | hahaha. |
| 04:28.24 | Mardus | liable: Well, I am into insomnia anyway, so I don't care :/ |
| 04:28.27 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: your best bet is to actually see what logfiles are in that directory |
| 04:28.28 | Mardus | Rather, :\ |
| 04:28.40 | Phoenix92x | liable: sorry...Im really new at this..please be patient with me |
| 04:28.40 | delmar | Gnea, im all for trying new stuff.. as long as it works :P |
| 04:28.43 | TK-1 | nah crap |
| 04:28.45 | liable | Mardus: good for you :P |
| 04:28.50 | TK-1 | webmin shit gettin in the way again |
| 04:28.53 | Gnea | delmar: well i got a grey screen with an X cursor so far |
| 04:29.05 | Sinistar | bunch of assholes :) |
| 04:29.20 | TK-1 | who eva developd webmin wants shooting |
| 04:29.22 | delmar | Gnea, lol thats no good. |
| 04:29.22 | Gnea | Sinistar: and i bet you're sniffing them ;) |
| 04:29.28 | liable | hehe |
| 04:29.29 | Mardus | LOL |
| 04:29.29 | Sinistar | indeed |
| 04:29.38 | Gnea | heh |
| 04:29.43 | delmar | Gnea, ok i noticed that there wasn't any config screens to choose anything... |
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| 04:30.06 | Gnea | delmar: config screens? do an apt-cache search xorg |
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| 04:30.15 | liable | delmar: you have done the mdsum yes? |
| 04:30.15 | Mardus | rizla: So, are you here from Linux? |
| 04:30.17 | liable | 5 |
| 04:30.26 | nvz | if you subject yourself to certain stresses long enough your immune system will actually start attacking your nervous system doctors call it MS and wonder like hell what causes it, I dont see where the fucking mystery in it all is. Person refuses to release their concepts of self and their definitions of their reality for the sake of their own peace of mind. causes their body to start destroying tissue that transmitts these stressful signals |
| 04:30.29 | TK-1 | any1 know how 2 remove wu-ftpd when webmin is gettin in the way? |
| 04:30.30 | b0xy | how do I install KDE on debian? just a standard package so that I have a GUI? |
| 04:30.39 | xbm-x | last question how you open a file that is encrypted and crack it and get it the sources? |
| 04:30.41 | delmar | liable, yea man. I was all over that. |
| 04:30.59 | delmar | liable, but since xorg works instantly with no bullshit.. im into that now :P |
| 04:31.14 | liable | delmar: out of interest, whats the perms on the file? ls -l |
| 04:31.17 | Gnea | nvz: yeah, either gotta start fixing that or it eats you up |
| 04:31.20 | zeeble | b0xy: apt-get install kde |
| 04:31.23 | Phoenix92x | liable: I think it might have not gotten gnome during install |
| 04:31.31 | Phoenix92x | because even thought it said it got it last time |
| 04:31.33 | delmar | liable, -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Aug 20 15:38 XF86Config-4 |
| 04:31.33 | Gnea | xbm-x: use a jackhammer |
| 04:31.41 | Phoenix92x | and I saw it under packages, this is the first time it asked me questions about which manager to use |
| 04:31.48 | b0xy | zeeble: Couldn't find package KDE |
| 04:31.49 | TK-1 | b0xy < http://www.linuxbeta.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=59&slide=1 |
| 04:31.53 | xbm-x | Gnea: thanks bro |
| 04:32.00 | Gnea | xbm-x: anytime |
| 04:32.03 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:32.13 | liable | Phoenix92x: if you picked desktop during install, then you should have both gnome and kde, but ok, make sure you install x-window-system. |
| 04:32.14 | nvz | Gnea: my mother has the "Disease" drives me nuts that she doesnt realize its literally all in her head and take control |
| 04:32.24 | delmar | Gnea, like, when u install xserver-xfree86 it asks u lots of questions about your devices etc... when i installed the xserver-xorg it didnt... but startx and its up and running instantly.. nice. |
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| 04:32.48 | zeeble | b0xy: apt-cache search kde and install. |
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| 04:32.53 | Gnea | nvz: so many people have it, it drives me toward the edge sometimes - then i take a deep breath and tell myself to relax and to get the hell out :) |
| 04:32.58 | Mardus | rizla: don't come here as root. |
| 04:33.16 | Phoenix92x | so you think you know the cause of MS? |
| 04:33.17 | kitsuneofnaim | I am having problems with SVGAlib messing up my terminal displays |
| 04:33.20 | Gnea | delmar: rock on :) |
| 04:33.28 | delmar | Thanks alot everyone. It looks like Xorg is the shit for me today :P |
| 04:33.31 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: being alive |
| 04:33.36 | delmar | Gnea, yep. lol. yours working ok? |
| 04:33.40 | Mardus | rizla: exit the program -- type <slash>bye and then exit your root session, relogin as normal user |
| 04:33.48 | Phoenix92x | gnea: interesting...please go into further detail? |
| 04:33.50 | Gnea | delmar: well i'm trying to install the nvidia driver |
| 04:34.10 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: every now and then, a man and a woman get attracted to each other, see... |
| 04:34.23 | delmar | Gnea, ah ok. that might be a little different. I done that many times on the xfree86 one but no idea about this one :P |
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| 04:34.30 | b0xy | zeeble: what am I looking for? |
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| 04:34.33 | rizla | ok |
| 04:34.35 | rizla | goodie |
| 04:34.51 | rizla | This should be alot easier |
| 04:34.51 | Phoenix92x | gnea: I meant more about your thoughts on the cause of MS, lol |
| 04:34.53 | b0xy | zeeble: kdebase-data? |
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| 04:35.05 | Mardus | rizla: ok. Now, are you familiar with the concept of Ctrl+Alt+F1, Ctrl+Alt+F2, F3 and so on? |
| 04:35.08 | nvz | Gnea: my mother is a stress machine. she can make anything stressful not only on herself but on everyone around her. she bitched me out when I was there on my birthday because I had 4 friends in the world who showed up to wish me a happy birthday and take me out and she constructed a story in her head that we were going to be drinking and partying at her house or something. |
| 04:35.17 | rizla | Im not hugely |
| 04:35.23 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: i have no idea, TBPO, my background isn't in the medical industry, unfortunately |
| 04:35.29 | zeeble | b0xy: hm, what are you using? i can get kde with apt-get install kde... if you're still having problems, try #debian-kde |
| 04:35.38 | delmar | Gnea, yeag this owns. got all the cool desktop stuff happening now. |
| 04:35.57 | xoz | nvz: i think your mother inherited the genes from you? :) |
| 04:35.59 | b0xy | zeeble: I just downloaded a net install of debian and installed it on my PPC G3. |
| 04:36.02 | kitsuneofnaim | I am having problems with SVGAlib and links2 |
| 04:36.12 | rizla | Ok now mardus |
| 04:36.14 | b0xy | zeeble: now I'm just trying to get a GUI |
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| 04:36.19 | Mardus | rizla: Ok. Linux supports multiple consoles, also called tty's. |
| 04:36.28 | rizla | What shall i do? |
| 04:36.34 | nvz | Phoenix92x: that was me and I believe that all disease can be brought or fought mentally. |
| 04:36.46 | Gnea | nvz: see, it's all very simple - the older people get, the more clearly they see things for what they really are, after having been subjected to all of the bullshit that pours out of television sets - people grow up watching drama on tv only to relive it later in life |
| 04:36.47 | Phoenix92x | nvz: sorry about the mixup |
| 04:36.56 | Phoenix92x | nvz: what about things like chemical brain imbalances? |
| 04:37.04 | Mardus | rizla: for example, you are probably in tty1, when you press Ctrl+Alt+F2, you'll be in tty2, from which you can login again as yourself or as root. If you press Ctrl+Alt+F1 again, you can get back to this chat. |
| 04:37.14 | xoz | or hormones? |
| 04:37.19 | rizla | ah i see |
| 04:37.24 | Gnea | nvz: but it gets better - most people downright hate drama, and wind up causing it without even realizing it |
| 04:37.27 | delmar | cheers everyone. l8r. |
| 04:37.27 | nvz | Phoenix92x: thats a gray area |
| 04:37.29 | rizla | just like multiple consoles/terminals |
| 04:37.36 | Mardus | rizla: Correct. |
| 04:37.45 | Mardus | rizla: Gives multitasking more meaning. |
| 04:37.52 | rizla | yeah |
| 04:37.53 | rizla | Ok now |
| 04:37.58 | rizla | What shall i do? |
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| 04:38.07 | Mardus | rizla: Let me explain all this. |
| 04:38.10 | nvz | Gnea: I dont do tv myself I've always looked at things for what they are. |
| 04:38.15 | Gnea | rizla: open up a web browser |
| 04:38.25 | TK-1 | anyone got any websites wiv a guide to configurin vsftpd |
| 04:38.28 | rizla | I had to apt-get install epic4 btw |
| 04:38.30 | rizla | like lynx? |
| 04:38.41 | Mardus | rizla: good for you. |
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| 04:38.55 | Mardus | rizla: yea, like Lynx, if you have it. |
| 04:39.00 | rizla | I do |
| 04:39.01 | Mardus | rizla: otherwise, apt-get it. |
| 04:39.03 | Gnea | nvz: i grew up half and half, eventually ditched the tv thing years ago.. got back into it for awhile, selectively... now i only own a 8" b&w |
| 04:39.19 | b0xy | zeeble: sorry. dunno what was wrong apt-get install kde is working fine now |
| 04:39.27 | Mardus | rizla: Just that when you are in epic4 (or whatever other console IRC program) in tty1 and while you've been in tty2, the chat goes on in there and you might miss some stuff there. Especially when chat traffic is busy. |
| 04:39.34 | Gnea | rizla: yeah lynx will do - then go to http://www.justlinux.com |
| 04:39.39 | kitsuneofnaim | I do not mean to be a broken record, but since there are some new people, I have some problem with SVGAlib messing up my displays. |
| 04:39.39 | zeeble | b0xy: awesome :) have fun. |
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| 04:40.01 | nvz | Phoenix92x: one thing is commonly agreed MS is an aquired disease. its not like being born with a chemical imbalance that makes you think tom petty is out to get you like my mother's brother who is bi-polar and takes meds |
| 04:40.13 | Gnea | kitsuneofnaim: yeah that's nice, tell us what you've got and how it happens and maybe we can help |
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| 04:40.30 | rizla | Ok now mardus |
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| 04:40.30 | nvz | Gnea: I gave my 19" w/ vcr to my grandmother |
| 04:40.32 | rizla | what shall i do next |
| 04:40.33 | kitsuneofnaim | ok, I'm doing links2 |
| 04:40.34 | Mardus | rizla: you can quit lynx with q or shift-q. type g to enter web address, type h for help. Keystroke command help is very useful. |
| 04:40.42 | Phoenix92x | nvz: what about the idea of MS being like alzhiemers? It just doenst show up till later? |
| 04:40.47 | kitsuneofnaim | first of all, I'm not sure exactly how to setuid links2 |
| 04:40.48 | Gnea | nvz: bi-polar/add/adhd/etc are all a bunch of bullshit |
| 04:41.14 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: I take issue with that |
| 04:41.22 | nvz | Phoenix92x: alzhiemers is chemical too. thought to be related to certain deposits in the brain thoughout life |
| 04:41.23 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: I have ADHD with Tourette's syndrome |
| 04:41.27 | kitsuneofnaim | but when I use links2, I end up with a lot of crap on my TTY |
| 04:41.35 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: yeah, so do i, but do you know what caused it? |
| 04:41.44 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: chemical brian imbalance |
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| 04:41.56 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: yes, and what causes that? |
| 04:41.56 | Mardus | rizla: My point about the tty's and chats was that while in another screen, other people won't stop talking and so you might miss what people say in the first screen while you are seeing another screen. Especially when there are lots of users and lots of chat traffic. |
| 04:42.07 | rizla | yes i understand |
| 04:42.11 | kitsuneofnaim | all my TTYs |
| 04:42.18 | rizla | i need to get straight to the point of fixing this problem, its going to be 6am soon |
| 04:42.23 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: according to my neurologist, world famous guy, in my case its genetic |
| 04:42.26 | nvz | Gnea: everything is shit to me. my philosophy is call it what you like as long as you can live with it. if its eating you up you are wrong. you need to keep thinking about it until you reach a solution that works |
| 04:42.28 | Gnea | kitsuneofnaim: chmod +s links2 |
| 04:42.33 | kitsuneofnaim | thank you |
| 04:42.36 | bucky | i have amnesia and schizophrenia |
| 04:42.36 | Mardus | rizla: What will happen on 6am? |
| 04:42.43 | rizla | I get very tired 8) |
| 04:42.46 | Phoenix92x | nvz: I see your point there, that a name is a name |
| 04:42.48 | bucky | have i been myself here before? |
| 04:42.55 | Mardus | It's almost 8 at where I am. |
| 04:42.58 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: while that is true, it masks a lot |
| 04:43.00 | rizla | ah i see |
| 04:43.04 | rizla | lets get down to business |
| 04:43.08 | Phoenix92x | gnea: explain please |
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| 04:43.31 | Gnea | nvz: i am in complete agreement. |
| 04:43.31 | kitsuneofnaim | ok, but I still get TTY junk |
| 04:43.39 | Phoenix92x | gnea: Ill agree that a lot of ADHD diagnoses are just bullshit to explain a hyperactiuve person, but to say that its just pure bullshit I find to be wrong |
| 04:43.46 | Mardus | rizla, well, you could have many screens, for example, have pen and paper also ready, just in case. |
| 04:43.56 | rizla | i have got a pen and paper next to me =) |
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| 04:44.13 | Dreamer3_ | anyone know what a minimal default install of sarge is? |
| 04:44.20 | Mardus | In one screen is the chat, the second (tty2) might contain nano, a text editor. In a third one you could be inside as root, trying to get a hang on your X problems. |
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| 04:44.35 | killfill | hi |
| 04:44.37 | bucky | Dreamer3_, less than 300M |
| 04:44.46 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: genetics were altered over 50 years ago when nuclear detonations started taking place and drugs were being used on various parts of the population - eventually they spilled to over the counter now they're everywhere |
| 04:44.54 | Dreamer3_ | bucky: hmmmm, anyone know more exactly? :) |
| 04:44.58 | rizla | ok |
| 04:44.59 | rizla | i got |
| 04:45.12 | Dreamer3_ | bucky: looking at doing this on a diskless system, space is of the essence :) |
| 04:45.16 | rizla | iRC, nano and x install open :) |
| 04:45.17 | Phoenix92x | Gnea:....what? |
| 04:45.25 | Phoenix92x | gnea: Im sorry but I really smell conspiracy theory |
| 04:45.28 | killfill | how do i scan wireless ssids with linux? |
| 04:45.43 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: all of the fallout caused mass genetic mutations, both big and small - just look at the cancer rates of salt lake city |
| 04:45.56 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: naw, just reality is all |
| 04:46.05 | nvz | Phoenix92x: my point is much like the serenity prayer. You have to change the things you can, accept the things you cant, and be wise enough to know the difference |
| 04:46.11 | Mardus | rizla: Cool. btw, I Alt-Left and Alt-Right also make good on switching screens (less buttons to press) |
| 04:46.13 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: and why isnt this known to the general populace? |
| 04:46.20 | kitsuneofnaim | ok, SVGAlib and links2 corrupt my TTYs |
| 04:46.34 | rizla | yeah, lets get to the point and sort this problem out |
| 04:46.50 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: I just find it hard to believe |
| 04:47.15 | nvz | if that means rewriting the dictionary, going against the grain, or whatever so be it |
| 04:47.20 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: I think that modern psychology just happened to evolve and finally diagnose people who were just considered "impulsive" or "spastic" before with something that really addressed the root of the problem |
| 04:47.39 | Mardus | rizla: Okay. Now once you have all that ready, press Ctrl+Alt+F7 (you can press other F's to return to chat or whatever). Ctrl+Alt+F7 is reserved for X. If X is not working, you might see error messages. Write these down, if there's anything new. If the errors messages are the same, I think then nvz might come to help. |
| 04:47.40 | Phoenix92x | with tourettes for instance |
| 04:47.50 | Phoenix92x | you cant argue that that was caused by nukes/pills etc |
| 04:47.57 | Phoenix92x | because there have been documented cases of it since the 1700s |
| 04:48.01 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: because they either already know it and accept/acknowledge it, or they simply don't believe it because they're used to staying in one place all the time and/or their education level is skewed - but then that's nothing new |
| 04:48.12 | bucky | it's a plot by the pharmaceutical companies |
| 04:48.13 | destiny_ | instead of doing a distro-upgrade in 1 sitting, can you update programs one at a time daily? |
| 04:48.17 | Mardus | Phoenix92x: And the syndrome was named after a Frenchman. |
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| 04:48.30 | destiny_ | bucky, where is your proof? |
| 04:48.31 | Phoenix92x | Mardus: it was, I know |
| 04:48.40 | Phoenix92x | mardus: france WAS actually relevent hundreds of years ago |
| 04:48.51 | Phoenix92x | mardus: doesnt say much for now..but hell, what can ya do |
| 04:49.07 | destiny_ | any1 know? |
| 04:49.08 | rizla | hn |
| 04:49.12 | Mardus | Phoenix92x: I only made an informed guess, even if it was a wild guess somewhat. |
| 04:49.13 | rizla | i am using a wireless mouse |
| 04:49.18 | kitsuneofnaim | SVGAlib mode on links2 messes up all my TTYs |
| 04:49.21 | bucky | we're all sick and need more drugs |
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| 04:49.23 | rizla | i used default(auto) before and it worked fine |
| 04:49.24 | Phoenix92x | Im just saying that mental problems have existed for centuries before nukes or the advent of modern medicine |
| 04:49.31 | rizla | shall i just use dev/input/mice |
| 04:49.49 | Phoenix92x | so I find your assertion that they were caused by nukes (If Im understanding right) and pills/drugs to be entirely without basis |
| 04:49.55 | Mardus | rizla: Ah, well, that makes things a bit more complicated in my view. |
| 04:50.01 | kitsuneofnaim | also, I can't get SVGAlib to work with my mouse...it's a USB |
| 04:50.04 | Mardus | rizla: Ask nvz, if he's still here. |
| 04:50.04 | rizla | Its perfectly fine to me |
| 04:50.07 | rizla | i know which one |
| 04:50.34 | rizla | debian picks up the USB Receiver B) |
| 04:50.38 | rizla | well |
| 04:50.41 | rizla | its just this problem |
| 04:50.44 | rizla | has been bugging me for hours |
| 04:50.46 | rizla | pleases can you help?? |
| 04:50.52 | Mardus | rizla: don't necessarily msg people. |
| 04:51.00 | nvz | Phoenix92x: its only a problem if you let it become one. its ok to be "crazy" in your own little world... usually the people know you there and don't mind. Its only a problem when you are making life difficult for yourself or another person |
| 04:51.03 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: why yes, yes i can argue that, because the original topic was in regards to MS, which is both physical and neurological. But I'm actually not arguing, I'm just debating and putting some facts on the table. You can check up on them, they will check out. |
| 04:51.26 | nvz | society will make you believe anything is a "problem" anymore |
| 04:51.37 | Mardus | rizla: Is your wireless mouse using infrared or something? |
| 04:51.51 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: nukes didn't 'cause' them, they only magnified the situation |
| 04:51.56 | rizla | enough of the mouse, its fine, i know what settings, its just the file |
| 04:52.05 | destiny_ | Gnea, how do you know for certain those "facts" are not based on limited, incomplete and inaccurate information and data? |
| 04:52.10 | Phoenix92x | nvz: agreed, its definitely a problem when one causes an issue for others and then blames it on their mental issue, they should deal with it like a responsible adult, with therapy, drugs, or their own method, as long as it WORKS |
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| 04:52.26 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: Sorry if I misunderstood, I thought you were extrapolating to all mental disorders |
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| 04:52.37 | rizla | i just need some god damn help! |
| 04:52.41 | Dreamer3_ | *yawns* |
| 04:52.41 | Dreamer3_ | anyone? |
| 04:52.41 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: and how would you define the difference between an argument and a debate? |
| 04:52.44 | Mardus | rizla: Don't rant. |
| 04:52.52 | Mardus | rizla: did you do the md5sum thing? |
| 04:52.54 | rizla | Im trying not to |
| 04:52.55 | rizla | i did |
| 04:52.58 | destiny_ | majority of "mental disorders" are nothing more than people having an ungrateful and coveting spirit |
| 04:52.58 | gabo | l |
| 04:53.00 | Gnea | destiny_: i'm not. in fact, those 'facts' are nothing more than ascertains by doctors and leading educated people - i've lived in many areas myself and can relate to much of it |
| 04:53.03 | rizla | just said something about not finding the path |
| 04:53.06 | rizla | i'll try again |
| 04:53.22 | kitsuneofnaim | rizla: calm down, people will help you when they can |
| 04:53.24 | destiny_ | Gnea, do you realise that majority of conclusions that doctors come to are wrong? |
| 04:53.24 | rizla | md5sum /etc/x11/xf76/config-4 etc yeah? |
| 04:53.36 | Mardus | rizla: md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 04:53.41 | nvz | Phoenix92x: or just go on living their lives and not be subject to what other people think. its like people I see on talk shows that have gone so far as to change genders or something just because society pressured them so much that they couldnt just be "gay" or be a girl that likes football, or a guy that likes the color pink or whatever the hell it may be |
| 04:53.45 | rizla | just type that? |
| 04:53.58 | destiny_ | Gnea, Einsten once said "I come to the wrong conclusion 90% of the time" |
| 04:54.02 | Mardus | rizla: Mhmh, and see what happens. Tell us, too. |
| 04:54.02 | destiny_ | Gnea, all humans do |
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| 04:54.21 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: arguments generally involve screaming, shouting and levels of hatred to arise. debates are intelligent conversations that seek to discover a calm end. |
| 04:54.43 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: oh, Im sorry, I use the two interchangably more in the sense of the debate |
| 04:54.44 | Gnea | destiny_: hehe |
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| 04:55.00 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: I try to avoid those types of "arguments" *shudders* never leads to anything good |
| 04:55.11 | kitsuneofnaim | SVGAlib mode on links2 messes up all my TTYs |
| 04:55.24 | destiny_ | question and challenge EVERYTHING you hear and read for accuracy! and even then, realise your conclusions could be based on limited, incomplete and innacurate data and information |
| 04:55.24 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: i took a debate class YEARS ago |
| 04:55.25 | rizla | i entered the info |
| 04:55.35 | rizla | nothing happened, just went to another line of namehere# |
| 04:55.49 | Mardus | rizla: This may mean either yes or no. |
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| 04:55.58 | Phoenix92x | gnea: fair enough, I think the crux of the misunderstanding was my extrapolating your argument to most mental disorders |
| 04:56.04 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: the field trip to a maximum security prison to interview inmates was the best. |
| 04:56.05 | Mardus | rizla: But you did not get a wrong path error? |
| 04:56.12 | rizla | suprisingly not |
| 04:56.23 | Phoenix92x | gnea: fun |
| 04:56.27 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:56.32 | Mardus | rizla: Ah well, that is new information. |
| 04:56.38 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: i'm sure you've heard of Attica Prison |
| 04:56.38 | destiny_ | Your "reference source" that you are comparing your information with could be wrong. Hence, you come to wrong conclusions that you think is truth. |
| 04:56.40 | rizla | shall i try config it? |
| 04:57.06 | kitsuneofnaim | SVGAlib mode on links2 messes up all my TTYs |
| 04:57.13 | destiny_ | Gnea, u follow? |
| 04:57.32 | Mardus | rizla: I don't know. I would ask nvz (or the whole room) what that means when I check the md5sum of XF86Config and it ends in a new line. |
| 04:57.41 | rizla | hm |
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| 04:57.42 | rizla | hold on |
| 04:57.45 | Mardus | * XF86Config-4 |
| 04:58.03 | kitsuneofnaim | SVGAlib mode on links2 messes up all my TTYs |
| 04:58.06 | Gnea | destiny_: no doubts there :) |
| 04:58.10 | killfill | anyone can show me a tipical output of "iwlist eth0 scan"? |
| 04:58.16 | Gnea | destiny_: althought i could doubt that ;) |
| 04:58.21 | Gnea | -t |
| 04:58.21 | destiny_ | Gnea, so what if your "belief system and reference source" that is in your mind that you have used all your life to compare new information for validity is WRONG? then you would conclude wrongly about many things, yet think you were right |
| 04:58.29 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: actually I havnt heard of of Attica Prison |
| 04:58.30 | Phoenix92x | where is it? |
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| 04:58.41 | Mardus | rizla: I'm at man md5sum |
| 04:58.44 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: you're how old? |
| 04:58.47 | Phoenix92x | destiny: this is true |
| 04:58.49 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: 18 |
| 04:59.07 | destiny_ | Gnea, its likened to checking information for accuracy using an OUT dated and wrongly written Encyclopedia |
| 04:59.13 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: I honestly dont know that much of famous prisons |
| 04:59.16 | destiny_ | Phoenix92x, thanks :) |
| 04:59.19 | rizla | hah |
| 04:59.21 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: ah ok, that explains it - do a google search, you might find something regarding one of the biggest prison riots in history there... |
| 04:59.23 | rizla | im back on gnome =D |
| 04:59.26 | mfrisch | Gnea he ain't no gangsta |
| 04:59.27 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: just did |
| 04:59.38 | destiny_ | Phoenix92x, the most famous prisons exist in our minds |
| 04:59.38 | Gnea | mfrisch: rofl |
| 04:59.39 | nvz | destiny_: its called cognative dissonance when two thoughts or belifs in your mind conflict happens all the time a healthy mind will work it out so that it can be accepted unhealthy mind will just endlessly dwell on the conflict |
| 04:59.55 | Phoenix92x | destiny_: well your argument makes sense, if all our experiences are based off a faulty set of assumptions than a great deal of our conculusions will be inaccurate |
| 04:59.56 | rizla | Ok thanks for the help guys |
| 05:00.05 | rizla | logout |
| 05:00.07 | rizla | exit |
| 05:00.13 | Gnea | destiny_: i won't dispute that for a nanosecond - it's been years since i went to school, i really do want to go back. |
| 05:00.13 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: and how old are you? |
| 05:00.16 | mfrisch | nvz are you playing with fortunes?? |
| 05:00.21 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: 30 |
| 05:00.24 | nvz | mfrisch: nope, why? |
| 05:00.38 | destiny_ | nvz, cognatice dissinence means a new thought conflicts with an old one. But what if that old thought is based on wrong data to begin with, and the new thought is truth. yet rejected |
| 05:00.42 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: do you think there are instances where MS occurs without what you discussed? |
| 05:00.52 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: of course |
| 05:00.52 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: that is sometimes really is just a degenerative disease? |
| 05:01.20 | destiny_ | Phoenix92x destiny_: well your argument makes sense, if all our experiences are based off a faulty set of assumptions than a great deal of our conculusions will be inaccurate <--- EXACTLY! well said |
| 05:01.25 | Mardus | Looks like rizla fixed his issues. |
| 05:01.26 | destiny_ | Phoenix92x, :) |
| 05:01.36 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: allright, what I really wonder about is the logic youre using to conclude that the nukes and pills etc are the cause of some of these diseases, couldnt it just be that we didnt have the expertise to diagnose these issues yet and that it is correlational but not causational? |
| 05:02.07 | nvz | destiny_: contradicting cognitions are what compel the mind to "acquire or invent new thoughts or beliefs, or to modify existing beliefs, so as to minimize the amount of dissonance (conflict) between cognitions." |
| 05:02.18 | Phoenix92x | nvz: well put |
| 05:02.18 | destiny_ | Phoenix92x: so i teach others to question and challenge everything you believe, for it may have been concluded using an UNTRUE source |
| 05:02.43 | destiny_ | nvz: I agree to an extend, but it transcends that |
| 05:02.56 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: please allow me to clarify - the fallout from nuclear detonations (aka nuclear radiation) has had a proven negative impact upon the environment, thus magnifying the situation. |
| 05:03.07 | destiny_ | nvz: you are on the right track, yet it transcends that |
| 05:03.13 | kitsuneofnaim | SVGAlib mode on links2 messes up all my TTYs |
| 05:03.29 | kitsuneofnaim | it only does it after the second use of the command |
| 05:03.42 | nvz | destiny_: like if I believe that all jews are tight with money, and one lends me $0.22 in the checkout line cause I am short.. I have to accept the fact that most jews are tight but some are also generous or else I fail to avoid the stress attached to the dissonance |
| 05:03.44 | Mardus | nvz: I did help Rizla, but I misunderstood what I helped him with. In the end, he did the reconfigure and got back to gnome. |
| 05:04.02 | kitsuneofnaim | does anyone know if there is a chatroom for SVGAlib? |
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| 05:04.22 | kitsuneofnaim | since SVGAlib is a debian package, I suppose someone may know here, but I don't think it's the best place |
| 05:04.48 | nvz | destiny_: our minds require us to keep thinking and inventing new thoughts and ideas.. too many people like to rest on their plateu of thoughts |
| 05:05.01 | destiny_ | nvz: how did you conclude they were all tight in the first place though? Have you met ecvery single Jew on Earth to come to that conclusion? |
| 05:05.13 | destiny_ | nvz: its an ASSUMPTION based on limited, incomplete data |
| 05:05.16 | Mardus | nvz: most jews I've had contact with were nice people and either my family or I have been helped my them in some way. For example, one guy helped me with mathemathics (for some probably symbolic charge, tho) and that resulted in my passing the maths exam. |
| 05:05.21 | nvz | destiny_: no, but it was something I believed reguardless |
| 05:05.43 | RabbitTheRat | someone help me with crontab, if i want something to happen every 3 minutes what is the starting format ? |
| 05:05.50 | RabbitTheRat | * 3 * * * * ? |
| 05:05.52 | Gnea | nvz: right, they 'bought into' the idea that things would always be nice and prestine, and that at whatever 'price' |
| 05:05.59 | nvz | Mardus: this has nothing to do with psycology of the human mind :P |
| 05:06.07 | destiny_ | nvz: yes but your belief was based and assumed on limited, incomplete data because you could not have concluded that accurately UNLESS you have personally met and spent time with every single Jew that has ever lived |
| 05:06.23 | Mardus | nvz: well, i decided to think so that not all jews are zionists and not all zionists are jews. |
| 05:06.45 | nvz | destiny_: where are you leading me? I see no relevance of this to cognitive dissonance |
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| 05:07.07 | nvz | destiny_: doesnt matter how the cognitions were aquired.. just matters how you resolve dissonance |
| 05:07.10 | destiny_ | how can anyone conclude anything about the Jews unless they have been with every single one of them since time began ? :) ponder that |
| 05:07.10 | Gnea | ok, time to give make-kpkg another whirl... |
| 05:07.18 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: Im interested in whether there is any demonstrable evidence showing causation between the fallouts and disorders such as ADHD and the rest |
| 05:07.23 | kitsuneofnaim | does anyone have any experience with SVGAlib? |
| 05:07.29 | Phoenix92x | I honestly think its just a coincidence |
| 05:07.54 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: but define 'coincidence'? |
| 05:07.55 | Mardus | destiny_: I've read some pdf recently (and not fully) that the whole mankind are jews... |
| 05:08.04 | destiny_ | nvz: its relevent to the cognitions because you reject a new idea that is clashing with an old idea that was originally concluded using incomplete and limited and untrue data |
| 05:08.08 | bucky | Phoenix92x, were you around in the '50's during the above ground testing? |
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| 05:08.23 | nvz | destiny_: I didnt reject it. I ammended it :P |
| 05:08.24 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: It just happens to be that we really started researching things like ADHD/OCD/MS etc during the years after the bomb dropped |
| 05:08.25 | destiny_ | Mardus: imho, we all came from the one God :) Adam and Eve was first :) |
| 05:08.27 | Mardus | destiny_: Because they are descendants of the ancient people or such. |
| 05:08.29 | Gnea | Mardus: is that to say that jews are not all human? :) |
| 05:08.32 | nvz | destiny_: later in life I may have to do it again. |
| 05:08.32 | Phoenix92x | I dont see a way to prove either way that the bombs caused it or didnt |
| 05:08.36 | kitsuneofnaim | I am Jewish, so watch what you say |
| 05:08.38 | nvz | destiny_: it was an example ffs |
| 05:08.40 | kitsuneofnaim | does anyone have any experience with SVGAlib? |
| 05:08.40 | destiny_ | nvz: how did you "ammend" it? using what source and reference point? |
| 05:08.42 | Mardus | Gnea: No, I didn't mean that. |
| 05:08.56 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: right, that's the products of capitalism |
| 05:09.06 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: Now Im really not following you |
| 05:09.08 | Gnea | Mardus: i know, i was being sarcastic ;) |
| 05:09.15 | destiny_ | nvz: what if your source and reference point that you USED to conclude with, is WRONG in the first place from limited and incomplete and untrue data? |
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| 05:09.24 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: what is your argument regrading capitalism and this? I find it unclear so far |
| 05:09.24 | nvz | destiny_: I changed my mind. I afterward believed that they were mostly still tight, but that they can also be generous thus not tight |
| 05:09.29 | destiny_ | nvz: then your conclusion would be untrue also |
| 05:09.40 | bucky | i'm in love with Justine Shapiro |
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| 05:09.48 | rizla | hey |
| 05:09.59 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: well, you said that it was all 'coincidence' without properly defining the word - 'coincidence' means different things to different people you know... |
| 05:10.00 | destiny_ | nvz: how did you conclude that they were all mostly tight? have you met every single jew on earth to conclude that MOST jews are tight? |
| 05:10.09 | destiny_ | nvz: you mean "most" as in above 50%? |
| 05:10.11 | Mardus | btw, nvz brought an example: "Like IF I believe all jews are tight on money..." |
| 05:10.15 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: well I mean that the two things happened to occur at the same time |
| 05:10.23 | nvz | destiny_: my whole philosophy this evenining is that there is no wrong, there are no reference points.. its just about dealing with problems in a healthy way. and one way is resolving cognitive disonance |
| 05:10.26 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: our continuing research into the mind and the bombs |
| 05:10.33 | killfill | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.35 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: could you explain what you meant by the capitalist comment? |
| 05:10.44 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: but trillions of things occur at the same time simultaneously. |
| 05:10.52 | destiny_ | nvz: you claim above 50% of Jews are right! So my question is: How do you know this? Have you met and asked money from ALL jews who have ever lived to come to that conclusion? |
| 05:10.54 | rizla | I wouldl say capitalism works better, who agrees and disagrees? |
| 05:11.02 | nvz | destiny_: how you reach your conclusions and if they measure up to someone else's is irrelevant as long as you can live with them without dissonance |
| 05:11.05 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: but often one can prove Causation with simple logic |
| 05:11.06 | destiny_ | anyway back to Debian topic |
| 05:11.09 | bucky | there is order in the chaos |
| 05:11.10 | destiny_ | before we get booted |
| 05:11.16 | nvz | heh |
| 05:11.20 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: please just define the capitalist comment |
| 05:11.45 | Mardus | rizla: Actually, capitalist is the least bad option right now, until a better way of life comes. Linux, and free software, are not this much into capitalism like Microsoft is. |
| 05:11.50 | destiny_ | nvz: yes, but realise they may be based on untrue and limited data to begin with, hence, your conclusions are WRONG :) so if you dont have an open mind for that, then good luck and have a nice life :) |
| 05:11.53 | destiny_ | brb :) |
| 05:11.58 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: the "thats the product of capitalism" |
| 05:12.13 | nvz | I've never asked any jews for anything. I just read something about jews in the paper the other day and used the fresh memory and well known stereotype as an example of cognitive dissonance |
| 05:12.21 | kitsuneofnaim | does anyone have any experience with SVGAlib? |
| 05:12.23 | CyzarX | noflex, u there? |
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| 05:12.33 | Phoenix92x | All: I think people are taking the jewish thing a bit too personally, it was a damn example |
| 05:12.33 | noflex | CyzarX: yes |
| 05:12.36 | CyzarX | heheheheh |
| 05:12.41 | nvz | Phoenix92x: seriously :P |
| 05:12.53 | CyzarX | noflex, u reading their conversation ? |
| 05:12.55 | Mardus | I second what Phoenix92x said. |
| 05:13.04 | bucky | that's almost as bad as being a capitalist |
| 05:13.10 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: but you've already defined that - they dropped nukes all those years ago, the economy spurred because of it, and new methods were developed because of it, and people 'bought into it' - IOW, they capitalized on the situation. |
| 05:13.48 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: how can you show that hte economy spurred because we dropped the nukes? |
| 05:13.53 | CyzarX | Hi, good afternoon, this is Martha, I can't print. |
| 05:13.54 | CyzarX | Every time I try it says 'Can't find printer'. |
| 05:13.54 | CyzarX | I've even lifted the printer and placed it in front of the |
| 05:13.54 | CyzarX | monitor, but the computer still says it can't find it... |
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| 05:14.12 | RabbitTheRat | whats the command to display the time in shell for debian |
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| 05:14.12 | RabbitTheRat | ?? |
| 05:14.14 | destiny_ | i already have firefox and want to update it! Do I type "apt-get install firefox" or "apt-get update firefox" ? |
| 05:14.14 | Mardus | CyzarX: See if your printer cables are connected correctly... |
| 05:14.19 | nvz | I could almost hang out in a channel designed for discussing philosophy or psycology or such.. though I am by no means a scholar. at least in #debian I have some real knowlage and experience to talk about :P |
| 05:14.23 | CyzarX | Mardus, that was a joke :P |
| 05:14.30 | bucky | Phoenix92x, your quantity and quality of life is much better than a lot of people in Dafur |
| 05:14.31 | CyzarX | jokes for everyoen to laugh |
| 05:14.35 | Teemu_K | destiny_: install |
| 05:14.42 | destiny_ | Teemu_K: ok ty |
| 05:14.53 | Teemu_K | destiny_: but! |
| 05:14.53 | bucky | computer science is a synthentic science |
| 05:14.54 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: the nukes were only the tip of the iceberg - take a look at today's reality - there's a war going on around the world right now, in many places, mostly in iraq, and the economy is surging like never before - oil has breeched the $60 per barrel limit |
| 05:14.57 | destiny_ | sop its not update? |
| 05:15.07 | Teemu_K | destiny_: at first you need to do apt-get update |
| 05:15.13 | RabbitTheRat | whats the command to display the time in shell for debian?? |
| 05:15.17 | Mardus | nvz: i recently read a serious discussion about real or perceived hate towards jews and the interconnection between this and free speech. One very strong (or even good, perhaps) point was that it's not good to hate one or another group of people, because they may then take advantage of it for their own purposes. |
| 05:15.18 | RabbitTheRat | whats the command to display the time in shell for debian?? please? |
| 05:15.19 | Teemu_K | it updates your apt-get cache or something |
| 05:15.22 | Phoenix92x | oil surging in price isnt neccessarily the sign of a good economy, its the sign of a limited resource being pushed |
| 05:15.31 | bucky | RabbitTheRat, date |
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| 05:15.43 | nvz | Mardus: or your daughter will marry one |
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| 05:16.01 | destiny_ | nvz: I like you, you seem very tuned into raising and increasing consciousness, yet I did notice at times your mind is closed to new ideas of how conclusions are derived! So keep open mind always and you will grow immensly |
| 05:16.07 | MustangMatt | For those of you that were on last night helpingi me troubleshoot my slow raid rebuild, I'm up to 98.5% complete! |
| 05:16.12 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: of course, many of us are just kicking back and waiting for a new fuel source to be developed, but whether that's occurring fast enough or not is up for debate. |
| 05:16.16 | Teemu_K | destiny_: and after doing that "apt-get update" you do "apt-get dist-upgrade", it updates all things that it can, but if you wanna update only firefox, then do that install it says that "will update" or something |
| 05:16.21 | rizla | hey, anybody know a recomeneded linux audio player? |
| 05:16.23 | Mardus | nvz: I am gay and that minimizes my chance of getting children. |
| 05:16.35 | Mardus | rizla: xmms Or X MultiMedia system. |
| 05:16.40 | MustangMatt | TMI |
| 05:16.42 | rizla | thanks |
| 05:16.46 | nvz | Mardus: the headline I read the other day was about the New Jersey state attorney general investigating this story where this guy took his date to a resturant and when the bill came, it said "Jew Couple" at the bottom the waitress had used as an identifier.. and it showed up on his credit statement |
| 05:16.54 | nvz | Mardus: heh. |
| 05:16.56 | Phoenix92x | gnea: Im for developing hydrogen or solar myself, I just read an article about a new method of harnessing solar energy that would take in about 30% of the sun's output by using infared instead of visible (6%) |
| 05:17.01 | Mardus | rizla: If you're looking for a device, then look for http://www.linuxdevices.com or .org |
| 05:17.06 | rizla | IM looking for players with audio enhancements etc |
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| 05:17.19 | destiny_ | Teemu_K: apt-get update firefox didnt work anyway |
| 05:17.28 | dan2 | ~test |
| 05:17.28 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 05:17.29 | MustangMatt | apt-get install firefox |
| 05:17.32 | dan2 | !test |
| 05:17.32 | dpkg | No, dan2, you're not online any more. |
| 05:17.33 | Teemu_K | destiny_: ... |
| 05:17.44 | Teemu_K | destiny_: did I say "apt-get update firefox"? |
| 05:17.46 | Mardus | nvz: "jew couple" as a footnote. I don't know what to say. |
| 05:17.48 | dan2 | ugh! |
| 05:17.55 | nvz | destiny_: Its not that really. I just dont choose to debate it here. I will compare my ideas and take in new ones as I see fit. I will not have anything forced on me. I cannot be forced, bought, or sold into anything. I have a mind of my own. |
| 05:17.55 | dan2 | attack of the + |
| 05:17.55 | Teemu_K | destiny_: NO I DIDN't!, without that firefox word |
| 05:17.56 | Mardus | Gnea: I think the oil prices are the same. |
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| 05:18.09 | bucky | nvz, it's because of all the evangelicals and their white god |
| 05:18.14 | rizla | be right back guys |
| 05:18.39 | destiny_ | i have done "apt-get update" and then I type "apt-get install firefox" it says: |
| 05:18.39 | destiny_ | E: Couldn't find package firefox |
| 05:18.40 | jasoncohen | this is extremely strange. i switched out my ati radeon 9700 pro for an nvidia fx5200 which has better tv-out (using this on a mythtv system). i had problems with mythtv that i thought might be related to the nvidia card so i put the ATI card back in and now X won't start. it says it can't find the fglrx module- however i can modprobe fglrx just fine and i even rebuilt fglrx... no go |
| 05:18.45 | nvz | destiny_: I just didnt see why you were changing the subject from how cognitions are derived from conflict and resolution |
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| 05:18.51 | Phoenix92x | mardus: oil prices are skyrocketing |
| 05:18.52 | MustangMatt | apt-cache search firefox |
| 05:18.53 | destiny_ | why does it give me that message? |
| 05:19.05 | Phoenix92x | mardus: the price for a barrel might break 80 by the end of the summer |
| 05:19.05 | nvz | s/from how/to how/ |
| 05:19.07 | Teemu_K | destiny_: because firefox isn't with that name |
| 05:19.07 | jasoncohen | why the hell would it say it can't load fglrx when it's already loaded? |
| 05:19.19 | destiny_ | Teemu_K: whats the name then? |
| 05:19.20 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: then you and i are in 100% agreement. i'm looking into getting a new car soon (i don't have one currently.. heh, oh the irony!!) but anything that gets real good mileage and doesn't utilize fossil fuels nearly as much is worth it in my book. |
| 05:19.25 | Teemu_K | destiny_: it's something like mozilla-firefox |
| 05:19.27 | kurumin | brasnet.org |
| 05:19.28 | Mardus | Gnea, Phoenix92x: I think oil prices are the same, mostly, because when oil prices were low, the dollar price was high. Now that the dollar price is low, oil prices are high. |
| 05:19.32 | destiny_ | apt-cache search firefox said its found |
| 05:19.42 | MustangMatt | Is it called firefox? |
| 05:19.42 | jasoncohen | fglrx 227708 0 |
| 05:19.44 | MustangMatt | Or something else? |
| 05:19.52 | Gnea | Mardus: then you are uneducated and don't pay attention to what really goes on. |
| 05:20.05 | MustangMatt | Perhaps: mozilla-firefox |
| 05:20.08 | Phoenix92x | Gnea: just a tad rough there Gnea... |
| 05:20.09 | MustangMatt | apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
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| 05:20.15 | Gnea | Phoenix92x: it's alright |
| 05:20.19 | Mardus | Gnea: That was a simplistic conclusion on my part. I know full well that oil prices are growing. |
| 05:20.23 | pax | the only thing that would get humans not to hate and fight each other is to discover some space creatures to label as 'the enemy'. |
| 05:20.24 | sagarp | what's a repository for xcompmgr |
| 05:20.26 | nvz | I am very apt to learning new things. I'd rather be reading a book that having a drunk orgy. this is why my friends often say I am boring.. because they rather sit around doing things to help them accept the way things are. I'd rather learn how to change them |
| 05:20.26 | destiny_ | Teemu_K: this is working now: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
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| 05:20.42 | alistair | back |
| 05:20.46 | Gnea | Mardus: the point i was making was that you don't know why. |
| 05:20.47 | Phoenix92x | nvz: I completely agree with your outlook on life |
| 05:20.48 | Teemu_K | :p |
| 05:20.50 | b0xy | woah. nvz just attempted proverbialness |
| 05:20.52 | b0xy | careful now |
| 05:20.58 | destiny_ | nvz: its better to read somethig that increasing your consciosness than getting drunk |
| 05:20.58 | Phoenix92x | nvz: drunken orgies are only good on the weekend after youve changed the world |
| 05:21.07 | nvz | haha |
| 05:21.12 | Phoenix92x | </partialSarcasm> |
| 05:21.25 | destiny_ | nvz: ever read anything by Emerson? |
| 05:21.25 | Mardus | Gnea: demand from China, trouble in the Middle-East and Iraq, in other oil-drilling countries, such as Equador. |
| 05:21.40 | destiny_ | Phoenix92x: oh behave ;) |
| 05:21.41 | alistair | Anybody good with gaming with linux? Wine etc... |
| 05:21.42 | Gnea | Mardus: demand from China for what? |
| 05:21.46 | MustangMatt | Fear not... I'm inventing a perpetual motion machine. |
| 05:21.57 | Gnea | alistair: cedega |
| 05:22.07 | alistair | yeah, i heard you have to pay |
| 05:22.12 | alistair | can you link me to a free version? ;> |
| 05:22.14 | Mardus | Gnea: Sorry, demand for oil, that demand comes from China. |
| 05:22.16 | Gnea | what's wrong with paying? |
| 05:22.25 | alistair | whats wrong with no paying |
| 05:22.30 | destiny_ | nvz: ever read anything by Ralph Waldo Emerson? |
| 05:22.36 | MustangMatt | What's wrong with not playing games? |
| 05:22.42 | alistair | Meh |
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| 05:22.47 | nvz | yeah well sex is a whole nother catagory. you could uncover a lot of my problems on that subject. The few relationships I had in my short life were not happy ones. there are conversations I've had with some girls that were better than sex with others |
| 05:23.03 | Gnea | alistair: hey i fixed your flat tire, are you just gonna drive off with barely a thank you? |
| 05:23.05 | MustangMatt | I read enough of Ralph Waldo Emerson to know that I never want to read anything else written by Ralph Waldo Emerson. |
| 05:23.30 | Mardus | nvz: I have had very little real sexual relationships with guys, despite lots of one-night-stands in my earlier life. |
| 05:23.38 | destiny_ | nvz: :P |
| 05:23.47 | MustangMatt | Debian |
| 05:23.51 | MustangMatt | Debian != sex |
| 05:24.10 | mfrisch | !=Debian |
| 05:25.35 | RabbitTheRat | thanks for all your help people |
| 05:25.37 | RabbitTheRat | appreciate it |
| 05:25.37 | RabbitTheRat | :) |
| 05:26.17 | Mardus | nvz: Now I value actual friendships more than that. |
| 05:26.17 | MustangMatt | In fact I'd go as far as to say Debian || sex |
| 05:26.17 | Mardus | MustangMatt: Debian = androgynous |
| 05:26.17 | destiny_ | nvz: u read books on relationship skills, eg, how to win friends and influcne people by Dale Carnegie? |
| 05:26.17 | nvz | my longest relationship was with a very troubled young lady who was often abusive and refused to let me go even when I would be turning blue :) |
| 05:26.17 | Gnea | Mardus: you are seriously detracting from any intelligent conversation here by concentrating upon your self-absorbedness. |
| 05:26.17 | Mardus | nvz: My longest relationship lasted only four months. |
| 05:26.17 | MustangMatt | Gnea: I agree. |
| 05:26.17 | Mardus | Gnea: Look what nvz talks about. |
| 05:26.18 | destiny_ | nvz: you attract people into your life that are congruent and in harmony to your dominant thoughts |
| 05:26.18 | Gnea | Mardus: you miss the point. |
| 05:26.18 | Mardus | Gnea: I understand you. We could still talk about oil prices... |
| 05:26.18 | MustangMatt | This is the debian channel. Talk about debian. |
| 05:26.18 | Gnea | Mardus: well you are right, you lack the ability to create... |
| 05:26.18 | Mardus | destiny_: I thought then that I was in harmony to nvz's dominant thoughts. |
| 05:26.18 | alistair | hey, how exactly do i run .rpm files etc?.. |
| 05:26.18 | nvz | oh my friendships are great I have friends of all kinds. they are all very strong healthy relationships. its just I never had any sexual relationships or inimate relationships that were any good. the fault of mine was getting involved in the first place. I believe now you need to be weary of the company you keep. Don't give it all away to someone until you know em |
| 05:26.20 | MustangMatt | apt-get install rpm |
| 05:26.23 | alistair | WHen i download them, not apt-get |
| 05:26.24 | Mardus | Gnea: I do have an ability to create. Well, not children out of wheat and water tho. |
| 05:26.26 | alistair | ah ok |
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| 05:26.42 | epsilon | does dpkg --get-selections list all instaled packages? |
| 05:26.49 | MustangMatt | You have to install the rpm package manager. |
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| 05:27.01 | Mardus | alistair: in debian, I think alien is needed to convert rpm's into .deb files. |
| 05:27.07 | MustangMatt | And then you rpm -i the file if I remember correctly. |
| 05:27.26 | MustangMatt | But I guess it leads back to the question of why you're trying to use rpms on debian to begin with. |
| 05:27.32 | Mardus | nvz: Mhmh |
| 05:27.36 | alistair | ok thanks |
| 05:28.01 | alistair | how exactly do i install tar.gz files? |
| 05:28.02 | Mardus | nvz: I often do this mistake that I give all away to people I hardly know even. Like an open book or something. Maybe like source code that can be viewed very easily. |
| 05:28.11 | Gnea | nvz: very nice conclusion |
| 05:28.12 | MustangMatt | tar xvzf [filename] will uncompress it. |
| 05:28.39 | MustangMatt | What the hell is wrong with this channel tonight. |
| 05:28.47 | MustangMatt | You guys should be PMing each other. |
| 05:28.50 | MustangMatt | I'm outta here. |
| 05:28.54 | MustangMatt | Seek help |
| 05:28.56 | Gnea | lol |
| 05:28.57 | Mardus | MustangMatt: Two insomniacs? |
| 05:28.57 | MustangMatt | Professional help. |
| 05:29.05 | mfrisch | :-) |
| 05:29.16 | destiny_ | nvz: am i on your ignore? :P |
| 05:29.26 | alistair | brb |
| 05:29.44 | Mardus | alistair: And then after the file is uncompressed, I assume make install (filename) is the next step... |
| 05:30.09 | Guerin | ah, fuck |
| 05:30.17 | Guerin | old computer parts causing me grief again |
| 05:30.25 | Mardus | nvz: hey we could do a private chat together just for the sake of keeping other saner. |
| 05:30.36 | nvz | Gnea: yeah. you really do have to be careful of the company you keep. like I have some younger friends who are like 19 or so and they want me to go to concerts with them all the time, and I wont. I like them and we party together in what I consider "safe-zones" but I am not going to go with them to concerts because I am 22, if they are drunk as piss and beating each other up at a concert thats fine.. but if I am there.. its my fault because I a |
| 05:30.40 | Mardus | nvz: * others. |
| 05:31.15 | Mardus | I think nvz is more adult than I am. |
| 05:31.17 | nvz | and thats usually what happens they get drunk and roudy.. and like I say thats fine.. as long as they are all minors and sitting in jail together at the end of the night. |
| 05:31.33 | destiny_ | nvz: ok np :) |
| 05:31.49 | destiny_ | Mardus: can u ask nvz why he ignoring me? :) |
| 05:32.15 | destiny_ | nvz: ever read anything by Ralph Waldo Emerson? |
| 05:32.19 | nvz | some say ignorance is bliss and to a degree in certain circumstances this is true |
| 05:32.23 | Mardus | destiny_: Ignoring you through chat mechanisms or ignoring you in not chatting to you? |
| 05:32.25 | Gnea | nvz: hehe |
| 05:32.32 | Gnea | yeah |
| 05:32.42 | nvz | I believe if you join a chat room together you dont ignore because you are only cutting yourself out of the conversation |
| 05:32.43 | destiny_ | Mardus: not sure |
| 05:32.47 | Mardus | destiny_: Who's Ralph Waldo Emerson? I've seen this name somewhere before... |
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| 05:32.54 | nvz | I could start blabing about things someone I ignored already addressed |
| 05:32.59 | nvz | destiny_: no I haven't |
| 05:33.01 | destiny_ | Mardus: he just doesnt want to answer me :) thats cool |
| 05:33.12 | eps | is there an easy way to install grub (only) from the debian netinstall disck? |
| 05:33.14 | eps | -k |
| 05:33.27 | destiny_ | Mardus: philosopher! I dont agree with all his stuff as Im a Christian! yet he had much insight |
| 05:33.47 | destiny_ | Mardus: read his Law of Compensation |
| 05:34.09 | nvz | destiny_: I was 17 last time I had a long-term relationship I was stupid and it was an accident at best. she had a troubled relationship I pretended to be interested to help her get rid of him.. then she never went away and believed the whole time I really did like her and I was 17 I dont argue beyound a certain degree with sexual pleasures |
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| 05:34.10 | Mardus | destiny_: Oh... Well, I am not a Christian, and I don't believe either what just every schmuck (no relation to anyone's nationality or race...) says... |
| 05:34.10 | Gnea | eps: from the menu? |
| 05:34.33 | eps | Gnea, will that detect my existing debian install? (I borked my grub with new hardware :P) |
| 05:34.36 | destiny_ | nvz: i understand |
| 05:34.41 | eps | and how does one get to that menu |
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| 05:34.45 | Mardus | nvz: You maybe stumbled upon a >>>simpel<<< girl. |
| 05:34.50 | destiny_ | Mardus: why dont you believe it? |
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| 05:35.13 | Gnea | eps: actually, you'd be better to boot the cd in rescue mode - see the f# keys, they should tell how |
| 05:35.19 | nvz | Mardus: easy, breasy, bootyful kind of girl |
| 05:35.21 | destiny_ | nvz: well, we attract people into your life that are congruent and in harmony to your dominant thoughts |
| 05:35.22 | Mardus | destiny_: Well, I actually want to point that I might believe some things, but not everything outright and blindly. |
| 05:35.38 | eps | Gnea, okay (using ubuntu livecd to talk here :P) |
| 05:35.44 | destiny_ | Mardus: ok, yet you admit it could be true? |
| 05:36.08 | Guerin | ok, if i have a mobo for a p3-866, how can i convince it to boot a p3-733? Dammn thing has no jumpers or anything on it. It'll poweron, and I get video blankscreen, but it won't POST. |
| 05:36.10 | Gnea | eps: just pass a root=/dev/hda1 (or whatever your root partition is) to the boot command |
| 05:36.17 | destiny_ | eps: youn can use a livecd to connect to internet? |
| 05:36.36 | Mardus | destiny_: I haven't even read in the first place what Ralph Waldo Emerson has written. Suppose I read whatever he has written, with an open mind, I might agree with some ideas, if I find them plausible and understandable and such. |
| 05:36.37 | mfrisch | eps mount root chroot root mount everything else grub-update |
| 05:36.38 | eps | destiny_, yeah dude... dhcp on my billion router and it is all done for me :) |
| 05:36.50 | Gnea | Guerin: you probably need to zap the bios - if there's no jumper to do that, just take out the battery for 10 seconds and replace |
| 05:36.56 | eps | thanks Gnea and mfrisch :) |
| 05:37.04 | Gnea | np |
| 05:37.04 | nvz | destiny_: that _may_ be so. and I can see some truth in that through my past. this is why now I try change myself. when I talked earlier about serenity. I realize through the wisdom part of that old prayer that the things you can change in life is yourself. |
| 05:37.10 | destiny_ | eps: :) |
| 05:37.12 | eps | (with the down side that I don't know what my root is :P ...but I'll find out) |
| 05:37.17 | Mardus | nvz: Well, either simpel girl or someone who is not yet very experienced in life or someone who likes to attach themselves to stronger personalities. |
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| 05:37.39 | Gnea | nvz: serenity is nothing more than a plateau of its own :) |
| 05:37.54 | nvz | destiny_: instead of hanging out getting wasted _all_ the time and going to concerts, I focus more on self improvment and going to library, trade shows.. doing things I am truely interested in.. so next time I meet someone they will more likely be more compatible |
| 05:38.02 | Mardus | destiny_: Of course a liveCD can be used to connect to the net. |
| 05:38.07 | eps | mfrisch, can you please give me more details on chroot, I am unfamiliar with it |
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| 05:38.20 | Gnea | nvz: but it is a very GOOD plateau if you can find the right person to enjoy it with... alas, i have not found that person either... |
| 05:38.22 | Guerin | Gnea: have done. |
| 05:38.29 | Gnea | i did find her, but things didn't work out right |
| 05:38.31 | nvz | Gnea: I am speaking of the serenity prayer which any version of it basically says that we should change what we can, accept that we cannot, and have the wisdom to know the difference |
| 05:38.40 | Gnea | well, thought i had anyway... anyway |
| 05:38.41 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:38.43 | eps | I have an ubuntu disk living next to my computer (on debian-sid) so I can be up and running again in minutes, destiny_ it is easy :) |
| 05:38.44 | Guerin | Gnea: is it likely that the mobo just won't support that chipspeed? |
| 05:38.51 | destiny_ | Mardus: when you read something new, realise you compare that with a "reference point and source" that has been created in your life, bit like an encyclopdedia! BUT what if the data in your "belief system and encyclopedia" is wrong? Then anything new that is TRUE would be rejected as untrue due to comparing to an untrue "source" :) something to ponder ;) |
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| 05:38.57 | Gnea | nvz: ok, i'm with ya there |
| 05:39.14 | Gnea | Guerin: either that or the mobo is broken |
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| 05:39.27 | Gnea | Guerin: but i'm already doubting that |
| 05:39.32 | Guerin | Gnea: identical results with two separate boards :( |
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| 05:39.44 | Guerin | fucking fuck |
| 05:39.49 | sciboy | Darn, hey, anyone here know if i can install the pwcx binary driver without recompiling my kernel? |
| 05:39.56 | destiny_ | nvz: you attract into your life that what you become :) so whatever features you want to find in a partner, FIRST begin to develop those traits in yourself FIRST, so then you will attaract a person similar :) |
| 05:39.57 | Gnea | probably the CPU is bad then |
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| 05:40.02 | Guerin | why not just have clock/rate jumperson on the damn board? |
| 05:40.06 | Guerin | Gnea: hrm, ok. |
| 05:40.10 | Guerin | i have another I can try |
| 05:40.16 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:40.25 | Mardus | destiny_: I agree with what you say. Have you ever seen "Fight Club", for example? |
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| 05:40.36 | destiny_ | eps: thats so cool :) |
| 05:41.01 | Gnea | destiny_: you just hit the nail on the head so well :) |
| 05:41.03 | destiny_ | Mardus: never seen it, any good? |
| 05:41.09 | nvz | destiny_: I realized that after I started travelling the country to get away from her and get myself a little oblivion. sometime somewhere while I was out there in the world trying to keep myself away from me I realized just that. |
| 05:41.14 | Mardus | destiny_: Oh yes, it's a great film. |
| 05:41.30 | destiny_ | Gnea: thanks :) |
| 05:41.38 | Mardus | destiny_: I don't know how you are able to see that film till the end, as you've publicly stated that you are a Christian. |
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| 05:42.06 | Gnea | nvz: it took me longer to arrive at that conclusion, i got stuck for awhile |
| 05:42.19 | Mardus | destiny_: Basically, "Fight Club" is a film that challenges very many ideas and beliefs. Or just some. |
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| 05:42.40 | destiny_ | nvz: im 41, and im REALLY inspired with people like you, who are young, yet tuned into the wonderful beauty and importance of growth and increasing our awarness and consciousness! I also rather read and learn than party and live an immoral life. |
| 05:42.43 | nvz | Gnea: oh I was way stuck myself for awhile. one problem after another poped up before I had the sense to physically relocate myself. |
| 05:42.46 | Mardus | destiny_: Part of what you said probably lies in the fact that some people accept some information, like it, and then start to believe it and are then out of convenience are convinced that this is how things should be. |
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| 05:43.00 | destiny_ | Mardus: ok |
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| 05:43.10 | nvz | destiny_: heh :) |
| 05:43.17 | Mardus | destiny_: You know, the word 'growth' almost sounds ditry, considering what spam e-mails offer all the time. |
| 05:43.21 | destiny_ | Mardus: is fight club anti christian movie? |
| 05:43.33 | Mardus | destiny_: No, I don't think so. |
| 05:43.35 | Gnea | destiny_: there's nothing wrong with partying now and then, depending upon what sort of partying is being referred to :) |
| 05:43.55 | Gnea | nvz: oh totally |
| 05:44.00 | destiny_ | nvz: offer me a great book for a night or a great girl for a night, and i would ALWAYS chose the book :) |
| 05:44.42 | destiny_ | Gnea: :) yeah |
| 05:44.57 | nvz | problem with me when I was young like I said was settling for whatever came along. now I realized who I am and I dont settle as easily |
| 05:44.58 | Mardus | destiny_: Well, we can tell people by how and what they write here... I wondered why, for some moments, were you schmoozing nvz so much .. |
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| 05:45.25 | Gnea | destiny_: if i had to choice between a walk in the park with a camera or a girl who wants sex and nothing else, i'll take the walk ;) |
| 05:45.35 | destiny_ | Mardus: we are drawn to people of similar vision |
| 05:45.36 | Mardus | Oh, welcome guy from Lietuva. |
| 05:45.46 | destiny_ | Gnea: good for you :) |
| 05:46.12 | Gnea | destiny_: but i didn't have to become a christian to realize that :) |
| 05:46.12 | destiny_ | the world has been conditioned with all this sex stuff as good and normal |
| 05:46.14 | Mardus | destiny_: I can accept that. "Fight Club" is a grea film, one that I think you should see. I don't think it exactly touches or religion, but more on how people perceive their world. |
| 05:46.19 | destiny_ | conditioning is likened to brainwashing |
| 05:46.31 | destiny_ | Gnea: well you should be a Christian ;) |
| 05:46.35 | nvz | Gnea: I'd like to take the girl for a walk with the camera myself.. they say a picture is worth 1,000 words. It would be one of them stories I could tell over and over again without saying a word |
| 05:46.43 | destiny_ | Mardus: ok ill get it |
| 05:46.46 | Mardus | destiny_: I don't think the world has been conditioned with sex or to sex stuff... |
| 05:46.52 | destiny_ | Mardus: thanks for the recommendation |
| 05:46.59 | destiny_ | Mardus: I do |
| 05:47.17 | destiny_ | and its targeted more and more to the youth |
| 05:47.27 | destiny_ | now they are 11 and having sex as "normal" |
| 05:47.28 | Mardus | destiny_: The world is what it is now thanks to procreation, which, in short, is sex. |
| 05:47.40 | destiny_ | conditioning |
| 05:47.47 | destiny_ | anyway |
| 05:47.52 | destiny_ | thats for another channel :) |
| 05:48.22 | Gnea | destiny_: i see nothing good of it - there are those that are good, and i tend to believe in those people, but there is a large population of those that use it as an excuse to continue their sinful ways because they know they can get away with it |
| 05:48.33 | Gnea | nvz: depending on the girl, yeah, i'd be down for that |
| 05:48.39 | valdyn_ | destiny_: you have that reversed, if there was no conditioning then kids would have sex as soon as they are capable. ( be that at 11 or whenever ) |
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| 05:49.17 | destiny_ | Gnea: yes true |
| 05:49.24 | Gnea | destiny_: but then the line becomes blurred at 'sinful' as the definition is too broad |
| 05:49.40 | destiny_ | valdyn_: i tend to disagree using a "source" of past |
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| 05:50.10 | destiny_ | valdyn_: in past they didnt talk or expose young kids to sex talk as they do today, and in past they didnt have sex so early |
| 05:50.19 | Gnea | valdyn_: then it boils down to various environments |
| 05:50.21 | b0xy | can you pause apt-gets and resume later? |
| 05:50.26 | destiny_ | valdyn_: your reasoning contradicts the past of humanity, but I respect your opinions |
| 05:50.29 | Mardus | destiny_: For example, I don't like it when girls as little as 11 dress up tastelessly (like lone and amoral ladies in heat or smth) and then think it's cool to wear such clothes. |
| 05:50.32 | nvz | since we are still on the off-subject I will add that another thing that kept me in that relationship as a teen so long was because I kept trying to help or change her into what I wanted her to be. thats how I finally realized what that old serenity saying really meant. the last part about having the Wisdom to know the difference is the key. you have to eventually realize what things you can change and those you cant. |
| 05:50.45 | destiny_ | Mardus: yeah thats pure evil :( |
| 05:50.51 | Gnea | destiny_: in the past it wasn't possible to see what really went on behind closed doors either |
| 05:50.51 | destiny_ | Mardus: i agree with you |
| 05:51.03 | valdyn_ | destiny_: nah, not really. puberty happens a little earlier now than say 100 years ago, due to our food. |
| 05:51.04 | nvz | what I needed to change was me, what I was trying to change was the people around me |
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| 05:51.42 | Mardus | destiny_: Its evilness may be disputed, but it's still bad taste. And conditioning from the media. And if not the media, then the peers. |
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| 05:52.01 | destiny_ | Gnea: we can get an indication through their disposition. so whatever they did behind closed doors would have become evident through disposition, and I can find no disturbing evidence that it was commited behind closed doors in the past as it is today |
| 05:52.15 | destiny_ | and im 41, so I have seen a drastic change in this over last 20 years |
| 05:52.24 | spanglesontoast | erm |
| 05:52.27 | destiny_ | Mardus: spot on |
| 05:52.51 | Gnea | nvz: yeah, that's something i learned growing up actually - i never tried to change someone, so when they thought that i was i would simply walk away from it if they threw into violence about it |
| 05:52.52 | spanglesontoast | is there a smaller version of debian cos I don't want to download all of the disks |
| 05:53.02 | stew | spanglesontoast: /msg dpkg netinst |
| 05:53.10 | destiny_ | when I was your age, most here :) there was no "open" sex like there is today |
| 05:53.17 | Gnea | destiny_: good point :) |
| 05:53.18 | destiny_ | its going downhill fast |
| 05:53.21 | spanglesontoast | oh theres a netinstall? |
| 05:53.22 | ubuntu_ | mfrisch, found it, update-grub :) |
| 05:53.23 | destiny_ | thank God I dont have a daughter |
| 05:53.24 | ubuntu_ | rebooting |
| 05:53.28 | destiny_ | :P |
| 05:53.41 | destiny_ | Gnea: :) |
| 05:53.42 | Mardus | But valdyn_ is actually right. And it wasn't unusual in the middle ages (the time of Romeo and Juliet) when people were married when they were early teens. |
| 05:53.55 | nvz | destiny_: heh, my father and I talked about that the other day. about how how slutty people are anymore :P |
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| 05:54.04 | Gnea | destiny_: but we also didn't have the internet back then - even 20 years ago it wasn't readily apparant what was going on to the younger generation |
| 05:54.14 | destiny_ | wow, never in ALL my years of IRC have I met so many "tuned in" people as i have in this channel |
| 05:54.22 | Mardus | spanglesontoast: The first CD is fine for a basic install. Then after you have the net working, apt-get install whatever package you need. |
| 05:54.46 | spanglesontoast | hmmm |
| 05:54.57 | Mardus | destiny_: When you were my age (I'm 24), in cities the sexual revolution was in full wing, I think... |
| 05:55.02 | nvz | of course my father and most of the rest of my family would fuck a snake if you'd hold its head down.. so their views tend to differ from mine on such topics. |
| 05:55.06 | spanglesontoast | but i could just get the netinstall iso and mount it on my usb pen drive and do it like that I guess |
| 05:55.09 | Gnea | destiny_: and to think, i'm an american ;) |
| 05:55.10 | destiny_ | you guys have impressed me here today! so many of you are so well tuned into how the brain works, conditioning, philosophy etc |
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| 05:55.35 | destiny_ | Mardus: when I was 24, it was very tame compared to today, believe me I KNOW :) |
| 05:55.42 | destiny_ | Gnea: hehe |
| 05:55.54 | stew | spanglesontoast: you can also install of a pendrive, there are instructions on http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 05:56.03 | destiny_ | nvz: yuck |
| 05:56.08 | foo | I am having a problem getting my pcmcia card to work. I have an original orinoco gold card, and I have the pcmcia module and orinoco module loaded. I do cardctl status, and I see Socket 1: 5V 16-bit PC Card , function 0: [ready] ... so it see's it, but it doesn't. I try iwconfig and I cannot get the wifi card working. I am on debian sarge. Any ideas? |
| 05:56.21 | Mardus | spanglesontoast: Yea, that might work. I haven't tried it, 'cause I don't have a USB stick. |
| 05:56.41 | Mardus | destiny_: Very tame where? |
| 05:56.42 | spanglesontoast | ah |
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| 05:57.21 | destiny_ | Gnea, Mardus, and nvz, you all have impressed me greatly with your level of awareness and consciousness :) nice to meet you all :) |
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| 05:57.47 | Mardus | Hm, I've heard/seen/read this kind of tone before. |
| 05:57.48 | destiny_ | are you all regular here? |
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| 05:58.01 | Mardus | destiny_: Is this your first time here? |
| 05:58.01 | nvz | destiny_: I've been here pretty steady for almost half a decade |
| 05:58.14 | linnuxxy | is debian 3.1 installer is the same of ubuntu 5.04? |
| 05:58.41 | Mardus | linnuxxy: Debian 3.1 installer is probably very different from that of Ubuntu's, but I think it's very understandable. |
| 05:58.49 | destiny_ | Mardus: no i been here 3 times before! Im new to linux |
| 05:58.50 | nvz | destiny_: and I am barely conscious tonight. I've been up nearly two days straight and I am drinking. |
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| 05:59.13 | Mardus | nvz: Oh, poor you... |
| 05:59.26 | destiny_ | nvz: that doesnt sound like you, to value so much your mind and reading etc, and then destroy brain matter by drinking :P |
| 05:59.30 | Mardus | linnuxxy: I think the Debian 3.1 installer has levels for those people who are not very experienced yet. |
| 05:59.36 | nvz | heh, no pity for me. I am just saying I am hardly at my sharpest point |
| 05:59.42 | stew | ubuntu uses the debian installer |
| 05:59.54 | Mardus | nvz: I wasn't pitying you like those old ladies... |
| 05:59.58 | destiny_ | nvz: if I may ask, why do you drink? |
| 06:00.06 | stew | beer is yummy |
| 06:00.14 | Mardus | stew: Only when it's cold. |
| 06:00.15 | nvz | destiny_: I've got more brain matter than I have things to do. |
| 06:00.17 | kanbeki | does anyone know of a repository that still has 2.4.x kernels on it? |
| 06:00.26 | nvz | destiny_: this dulls me to my current surrounding |
| 06:00.48 | destiny_ | nvz: why do you feel you need dulling to your surrounding? |
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| 06:01.10 | Mardus | destiny_: Probably because the surroundings are sharp as knife. |
| 06:01.11 | stew | Mardus: nah i don't like it all that cold |
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| 06:01.24 | destiny_ | Mardus: :P |
| 06:01.24 | linnuxxy | i could get ubuntu installed from the first... but i never could with debian 3.0.... had the things changed? |
| 06:01.28 | stew | sounds like M-x doctor |
| 06:01.40 | nvz | cause I dont have shit to do. If I had things to do, places to be, people to see I wouldn't be here |
| 06:01.48 | Mardus | stew: Well, I have consciously had only a handful beers in my whole life and when one of them wasn't cold anymore, I didn't like it anymore. |
| 06:02.07 | Mardus | nvz: You can see us... Though virtually... |
| 06:02.10 | stew | linnuxxy: the installer is much updated, and it includs a 2.6 kenrel now which gets some people going that wouldn't be able to otherwise |
| 06:02.40 | destiny_ | nvz: alcohol causes a "state change", and in my experience, people who need a state change are not very happy or satisfied wit h their life, and use it as a mental escape. |
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| 06:02.52 | Mardus | linnuxxy: You could try out Debian 3.1 on a fresh hard drive. I do think it will be way easier. |
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| 06:03.24 | stew | destiny_: not everyone who drinks drinks because the need a state change |
| 06:03.29 | Mardus | destiny_: It's not always like that. |
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| 06:03.46 | destiny_ | stew: why else would they drink it? |
| 06:03.52 | stew | beer is yummy |
| 06:03.58 | Mardus | stew: M-X doctor =? |
| 06:03.59 | destiny_ | stew: drinking causes the person to feel differently, agree? |
| 06:04.07 | stew | Mardus: something to type in emacs |
| 06:04.17 | stew | destiny_: yes |
| 06:04.35 | Gnea | beer is definately yummy |
| 06:04.42 | destiny_ | Mardus: tell me ;) when you drink beer or alcohol does it make you feel "different" to what you felt before you drank it? |
| 06:04.48 | liable | nectar of the gods! |
| 06:04.49 | destiny_ | stew: ok thats my point! a state change :) |
| 06:04.49 | Gnea | but it does have an affect on the brain, so i rarely drink it anymore |
| 06:05.16 | destiny_ | Gnea: it does more than that, it destoys and EATS away at your brain! every glass does |
| 06:05.16 | nvz | destiny_: hell no I am not happy, I lost my poor Volvo 760GLE at a young age of 14, I havent met anyone who inspires me in a long long time, I don't have a good job, for the most part I sit around bored letting my overly tuned mind pick away at itself. |
| 06:05.17 | Mardus | destiny_: Only that not everyone feels the same way when they drink alcohol. And it's also different with different alcohol. I think that for a deranged drunkard, booze is all the same all the time and everywhere. |
| 06:05.27 | stew | destiny_: yes, and i enjoy a state change from time to time, but to say that since i drink that i must need a state change and therefore must be depressed is not a well founded line of reasoning |
| 06:05.31 | destiny_ | and as you get older, you will notice evidence of this |
| 06:05.44 | destiny_ | nvz: im sorry to hear that |
| 06:06.13 | Gnea | destiny_: that's true, but if there's a possibility that life could end abruptly, what reason would there be to not do so if it's so enjoyable? :) |
| 06:06.21 | destiny_ | Mardus: yes but you agree that it makes them feel differenly when they start drinking and afterwards! thats called a "state change" :) |
| 06:06.22 | Mardus | nvz: I haven't ever had a card and I don't even have a job (just some piece haltura), so you are at a way better position than I am. |
| 06:06.50 | stew | destiny_: to be completely content with you "state" at all times isn't healthy either. |
| 06:06.51 | liable | dont they say beer in moderation, is like wine, and actually benefitial to your health? |
| 06:07.04 | destiny_ | stew: on a scale of 1 to 10, where are you on happiness in your life? 1 being worst and 10 being SO HAPPY you jumo out of bed every morning :) |
| 06:07.17 | JViz | what's a good replacement for qmail+vpopmail+qmailadmin? |
| 06:07.18 | stew | destiny_: not to say that not wanting to drink is unhealthy, but the desire to change states is not inherently unhealthy |
| 06:07.26 | destiny_ | Gnea: why not have an eternal life plan instead of just a short plan? :) |
| 06:07.34 | stew | destiny_: if you ever met me, you'd know i'm pretty damn content all the time |
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| 06:07.43 | nvz | Mardus: yeah. its all relative to experience how things effect us. I just need something to spend my time on. when all else failed I got in the fucking car and kept on driving. |
| 06:07.47 | Gnea | destiny_: because life ends at some point, that is unavoidable. |
| 06:07.57 | Mardus | destiny_: The less-than-handful of times that I've had alcohol in my life, I have experienced state change. I've experienced state changes less times than the times I've had alcohol. Maybe when I have had alcohol and not had the state change, then I hadn't had the right amount yet. |
| 06:07.58 | stew | destiny_: it actually bugs my wife that i'm always so content. and nothing seems to bother me |
| 06:08.10 | destiny_ | stew: there are other ways to change your state in a healthier way ;) |
| 06:08.33 | stew | destiny_: i agree. and do all the time, i exercise over an hour every day, blahblahblah, but beer is just yummy |
| 06:08.35 | destiny_ | liable: no thats a lie! alcohol is not beneficial at all! that data was derived and began with the companies that MAKE it |
| 06:08.36 | Mardus | liable: It is beneficial, because it keeps away the stones. |
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| 06:08.47 | nvz | Mardus: I live in a rundown 1.2sq mile town in a Commonpoverty state and I am footing it around with little to no money.. kind of reduces my options for occupying myself |
| 06:09.13 | destiny_ | Gnea: how do you know? what if there is a plan and chance for eternal life? Is that a possibility? |
| 06:09.22 | Gnea | destiny_: i agree that there are better ways to attain and to keep going, and so i prefer one once in awhile - that part is unavoidable due to having had an addictive personality nearly all of my life |
| 06:09.29 | liable | Mardus: stones? |
| 06:09.38 | Mardus | liable: stones in the stomach |
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| 06:09.49 | TwistedEmotions | If I dont ever edit any programs that I use and all that... should I just comment out the #source thing in my apt list? |
| 06:09.53 | liable | kidney? |
| 06:09.56 | destiny_ | stew: it seems you are a Phlegmatic then :) and your wife is not one . |
| 06:09.57 | myren | whats with all the -c2 packages? |
| 06:10.07 | myren | where have they all sprung from, why are they there, &c &C |
| 06:10.17 | myren | its playing havock on my system maintence |
| 06:10.23 | stew | destiny_: yes |
| 06:10.23 | Gnea | destiny_: well yeah there's a plan, it's being worked on every second of every minute of every hour of every... well you get the idea ;) |
| 06:10.28 | destiny_ | stew: there is alternatives that are alcohol free that taste exactly like beer :) |
| 06:10.33 | TwistedEmotions | becuase when I upgrade it always installs the source hraders and all that... and all I ever actually need extra except for the kernel itself is the headers.. |
| 06:10.34 | stew | destiny_: nope |
| 06:10.38 | nvz | and believe me the smarter you are the more dangerous it is for you to be bored >:0) |
| 06:10.49 | Mardus | nvz: I live in Estonia, in an older suburb and with little to no money, too. |
| 06:10.59 | nvz | idle hands are the devil's playground |
| 06:11.00 | destiny_ | stew: yes there is :) |
| 06:11.09 | stew | destiny_: there are some that taste like some beers, but none that taste like the beers i enjoy, and i see no proven harmful effects for the amount i drink |
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| 06:11.28 | nvz | and when there is a sharp mind behind them you can really give the devil a run for his money if you dont find something better to do. |
| 06:11.30 | stew | destiny_: please tell me where i find a non alcoholic beer that tastes like an over hopped IPA |
| 06:11.30 | TwistedEmotions | *it installs the source... and all I want it the kernel + headers... also applies to all the programs I download. |
| 06:11.31 | Mardus | liable: kidney and a few other organs (maybe one or two other...). |
| 06:11.42 | destiny_ | stew: ok, its a personal choice |
| 06:11.51 | destiny_ | and I cant lecture anyone for I drank heavily for 15 years |
| 06:11.56 | Gnea | destiny_: the point is that i quit smoking after many years and i would prefer to keep it that way - but once in awhile i'll have a bottle or can of beer, there is nothing wrong with that at all. |
| 06:11.56 | stew | destiny_: no seriously, tell me where to get it, and i'd be psyched |
| 06:11.59 | destiny_ | but 8 years ago I stopped |
| 06:12.04 | destiny_ | due ti ill health |
| 06:12.14 | liable | TwistedEmotions: it installs source packages, when you dont ask ffor them? |
| 06:12.20 | destiny_ | the alcohol I drank for 15 years has given me brain damage |
| 06:12.32 | TwistedEmotions | liable: during upgrade... |
| 06:12.34 | destiny_ | and at 41 I notice that more and more as each year passes |
| 06:12.55 | liable | TwistedEmotions: for packages you have previously installed source for? |
| 06:12.56 | myren | does anyone have any idea what i'm talking about with the -c2 packages? a lot of my unstable packages now have c2 at the end of them.... |
| 06:12.58 | TwistedEmotions | liable: it installs the source for any program I install automatically... |
| 06:13.12 | stew | myren: what's an example? |
| 06:13.30 | destiny_ | so i am in no position to tell anyone not to drink, for I did it for 15 years! but in hindisight i never would have because I have grown to see the effects of it in my life now :( |
| 06:13.35 | TwistedEmotions | liable: no... like lets say I go apt-get install <blah> it installs blah + blah-source |
| 06:13.36 | Gnea | destiny_: *hug* i smoked for 12 years. i quit nearly 7 months ago. |
| 06:13.49 | destiny_ | Gnea: cool well done |
| 06:13.54 | destiny_ | Gnea: :) |
| 06:14.00 | myren | libmdc2, kdelibs4c2, lam4c2, tons and tons of stuff |
| 06:14.06 | Gnea | destiny_: i was a serious drinker for 6 months somewhere during that time |
| 06:14.13 | Mardus | I haven't smoked at all, for example. But I have other vices. |
| 06:14.26 | TwistedEmotions | liable: so what I am asking is should I get rid of the source thinks.. |
| 06:14.28 | Mardus | And I've been forced to be a passive smoker. |
| 06:14.33 | destiny_ | so please dont be fooled, every glass of alchohol you drink now WILL affect you and become evident in your later years! I speak from personal experience |
| 06:14.53 | destiny_ | anyway back to Debian :) |
| 06:14.55 | liable | TwistedEmotions: oh. thats weird, I dont think it should do that.. |
| 06:14.57 | Gnea | destiny_: i know, and it's all good :) |
| 06:14.59 | Mardus | destiny_: I thought like this: "every glass of alcohol" like the "butterfly effect". |
| 06:15.05 | liable | destiny_: what kind of brain damage? |
| 06:15.10 | Mardus | It's all good in moderation. |
| 06:15.23 | Mardus | liable: LÖoss of brain cells. |
| 06:15.28 | Mardus | sorrry |
| 06:15.33 | Mardus | liable: Loss of brain cells. |
| 06:15.38 | liable | yes, but what sort of symptons.. |
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| 06:15.44 | TwistedEmotions | liable: is it safe to comment out the source links in the apt list file? |
| 06:15.51 | destiny_ | liable: memory problems, mood swings, focus probs, etc etc etc the list goes on my friend |
| 06:15.51 | myren | AA night + fucking weird -c2 packages and no one haaving annny idea at all makes me want a hard drink right now |
| 06:15.52 | liable | TwistedEmotions: yep |
| 06:15.55 | Mardus | liable: Bad memory, bad temper, slow thinking. |
| 06:15.59 | stew | destiny_: i don't believe your personal experience extends to every drink anyone ever has |
| 06:16.10 | Mardus | liable: "long cables", "long wires" |
| 06:16.12 | destiny_ | liable: realise that alcohol is a POISON |
| 06:16.18 | destiny_ | and as such, poison will kill your brain |
| 06:16.21 | liable | well, I like it.. |
| 06:16.26 | TwistedEmotions | liable: ty ;) |
| 06:16.30 | destiny_ | stew: could I be right? |
| 06:16.31 | Mardus | Poison can kill other organs and leave the brain intact. |
| 06:16.39 | liable | Mardus: wtf? long cables? |
| 06:16.54 | destiny_ | drinking alcohol also produces life long temper swings |
| 06:16.58 | Mardus | liable: slow thinging = long wires/cables |
| 06:17.02 | Mardus | liable: * thinking |
| 06:17.02 | destiny_ | its such a poision :( |
| 06:17.12 | nvz | myren: heh |
| 06:17.19 | stew | destiny_: anytime anyone ever talks in absolutes, they are always wrong, every single time |
| 06:17.22 | stew | :) |
| 06:17.24 | Mardus | I wish I could have Romulan Ale once in my life... |
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| 06:17.33 | destiny_ | stew: :P |
| 06:17.34 | Mardus | stew: :> |
| 06:17.59 | destiny_ | stew: do as you wish, just realise I meant well :) |
| 06:18.01 | TwistedEmotions | Err... getting this error durring attempt to install base-config 2.7... and I removed apt-bugs... I bet it's a bad package./var/lib/dpkg/info/base-config.postinst: line 59: syntax error near unexpected token `db_fset' |
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| 06:18.18 | Mardus | * at least once. Or that other blue-coloured Romulan drink that is told to open one's sinuses even when you sniff the drink... |
| 06:18.20 | liable | someone else had that, check bts |
| 06:18.28 | liable | TwistedEmotions: ^^ |
| 06:18.45 | TwistedEmotions | liable: bts? |
| 06:19.02 | liable | TwistedEmotions: eh, you dont know what that is? |
| 06:19.10 | liable | !btssmite TwistedEmotions |
| 06:19.11 | TwistedEmotions | liable: ohh.. bugs |
| 06:19.15 | Gnea | myren: which packages are causing you grief? |
| 06:19.21 | TwistedEmotions | liable: just kidding |
| 06:19.29 | liable | TwistedEmotions: sure :P |
| 06:19.32 | destiny_ | !beer stew |
| 06:19.36 | stew | woo |
| 06:19.44 | liable | hoo |
| 06:19.55 | destiny_ | and drink that knowing im against it :) |
| 06:20.05 | destiny_ | stew: :) |
| 06:20.07 | stew | i'll drink to that! |
| 06:20.14 | liable | could go a nice pint of guinness... |
| 06:20.14 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: greets. |
| 06:20.25 | nvz | myren: the package naming is due to the ABI transition would be my guess |
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| 06:20.34 | destiny_ | stew: when you get to my age you shall reflect to this day and understand what I was saying ;) |
| 06:20.41 | stew | doubt it |
| 06:20.47 | liable | heh |
| 06:20.57 | destiny_ | stew: :P |
| 06:21.19 | Mardus | I think in Korea, the age of reflection had to be 40 or smth |
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| 06:22.00 | liable | stew lets it ferment.. :) |
| 06:22.03 | stew | i'll enjoy it in a few months after the yeasties are done with ti |
| 06:22.17 | signius | Good Morning all |
| 06:22.22 | myren | Gnea: its really just general havock, not so much grief |
| 06:22.25 | destiny_ | Mardus: something happens at 40 to the mind and consciousness. it sees things all of a sudden that were previously in the dark and unknown |
| 06:22.26 | myren | what is the ABI transition? |
| 06:22.35 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: ;) Hey bud... what's going on? |
| 06:22.38 | nvz | myren: furthermore I would guess -c2 means that its been build with C number 2 or the new version of C being transitioned in. its a way of knowing what hs been updated and what has not at a glance |
| 06:22.43 | destiny_ | Mardus: the secret to your life is found in what you dont know that you dont know :) |
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| 06:23.08 | nvz | myren: I by no means know any of this for sure, I am not a DD. but its a fairly educated guess |
| 06:23.31 | stew | myren: c++ just went through a major revision change that breaks compatibility |
| 06:23.58 | stew | myren: email a maintainer, and ask the maintainer |
| 06:24.08 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Back at the old pad, long drive and tired from the week. |
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| 06:24.39 | Mardus | destiny_: Actually, I've had beer for less than a handful times in my life, but more generally, I've had alcohol for up to two handfuls, that includes beer and some wine. |
| 06:24.57 | Mardus | destiny_: Maybe up to three handfuls... |
| 06:25.03 | Gnea | Mardus: you've never gotten puke-drunk? |
| 06:25.09 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Las Vegas or Bay? |
| 06:25.09 | Mardus | Gnea: No. |
| 06:25.13 | Gnea | Mardus: nice |
| 06:25.20 | Mardus | ^_^ |
| 06:25.21 | myren | nvz: what, transition to 4.0? |
| 06:25.24 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ?? |
| 06:25.35 | Gnea | i try to avoid it whenever possible |
| 06:25.44 | thespiritoftal | how can i change the keyboard configuration? |
| 06:25.45 | Gnea | however this past weekend it hit me so hard |
| 06:25.52 | stew | thespiritoftal: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 06:25.59 | myren | i hate how my system currently needs full stock of gcc 3.3, 3.4, 4.0... plus all supports around them. very silly. |
| 06:26.00 | Gnea | i have a good excuse at least - it was my birthday ;) |
| 06:26.03 | shmloe | how to setup samba to scan for virus? |
| 06:26.05 | Mardus | Gnea: I know my first sister has several times and youngest sister has too, at least once (I think that was when she was 14 or 15). |
| 06:26.13 | nvz | myren: I guess. like I said I have no idea.. until you mentioned it I had never even heard or thought of it before. I just noticed you were getting annoyed and I took a shot at deciphering it |
| 06:26.27 | Gnea | plus i just moved to a completely new climate within the past month |
| 06:26.48 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: didnt you say you lived in Vegas? |
| 06:26.58 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Not recently |
| 06:27.03 | destiny_ | Mardus: ok |
| 06:27.10 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Napa. |
| 06:27.20 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Uhhh.. just kidding you sexy bitch. |
| 06:27.32 | xoz | myren: kdelibs has no -c thingy? |
| 06:27.37 | nvz | myren: I know debian is doing a GCC and C++ ABI transition so I figure -c2 packages you say you see poping up are newly compiled libs against the new stuff and the name changes are a means of the developers tracking them more easily during the transition to know what has been updated and what has not |
| 06:27.41 | shmloe | What is a good gui Xwindow package like Visual C++ Compiler? |
| 06:27.46 | Mardus | Gnea: Then my friends have for sure, only that I know of one who has admitted to having been drunk and to having puked. That one friend was saved by his mother, in fact, because he fell to the floor with his back on the floor while he puked. |
| 06:27.50 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Had me worried, thought you were getting senile on me. |
| 06:27.57 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: dude.. napa and vegas are like RIGHT there... i.e. only 700 miles apart. |
| 06:28.00 | karsten | shmloe: xemacs |
| 06:28.09 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Of course, how silly of me. |
| 06:28.12 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: ;) In that case... worry.. |
| 06:28.18 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ... and *all* the best shows come to Napa.... |
| 06:28.26 | myren | xoz: kdelibs has a -c2 |
| 06:28.29 | shmloe | karsten: really |
| 06:28.38 | Mardus | Gnea: I mean, every friend I know has admitted being drunk, only that one did say that he puked, too. |
| 06:29.00 | karsten | shmloe: You might also do 'apt-cache search ide' for some integrated development environments. KDE's got one, but emacs/xemacs is what most folks use. |
| 06:29.07 | karsten | shmloe: .. really. |
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| 06:29.17 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: hahaha... Sooo true... go wine tasting enough and the people around you look like their dancing.. wait.. maybe thats me when I go wine tasting for too long. |
| 06:29.44 | Mardus | Gnea: Well, not every friend, but almost every male person whom I've considered a friend (very few, less-than-a-handful). |
| 06:29.56 | myren | shmloe: Xwindow is bare metal. dont devel straight X. find a toolkit, and find a gui for hte toolkit. |
| 06:30.00 | eps | grr, silly grub :| |
| 06:30.14 | nvz | TwistedEmotions: thats called drinking other peoples wine. you dont have to drink wine to taste it you can spit |
| 06:31.40 | Mardus | 'peer' = 'fart' in Estonian. |
| 06:31.41 | liable | whats the fun in that.. |
| 06:31.41 | TwistedEmotions | nvz: only prudes spit... lust is when they swallow... love is when the gargle... |
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| 06:31.53 | myren | emacs is only what those animal slaughtering dogs use. vi is the true path! |
| 06:31.53 | TwistedEmotions | nvz: wait... we talking about wine? |
| 06:31.57 | nvz | heh |
| 06:32.06 | myren | wine stopped running moo. |
| 06:32.11 | myren | i want my master of orion back damnit |
| 06:32.44 | nvz | TwistedEmotions: I guess when they just slobber on it until its hard enough to get what they want you just call her a bitch then right? |
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| 06:32.56 | myren | gnight all! |
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| 06:33.41 | Gnea | Mardus: puking tends to be an entryway to alcoholism - it's not a good road to travel, but if you can find your way out, then you've become a stronger person because of it |
| 06:34.05 | foo | I am having a problem getting my pcmcia card to work. I have an original orinoco gold card, and I have the pcmcia module and orinoco module loaded. I do cardctl status, and I see Socket 1: 5V 16-bit PC Card , function 0: [ready] ... so it see's it, but it doesn't. I try iwconfig and I cannot get the wifi card working. I am on debian sarge. Any ideas? |
| 06:34.18 | TwistedEmotions | nvz: never give them what they want... they stop blowing. and in that case. Yes. |
| 06:34.18 | Gnea | sciboy: heh, license |
| 06:34.42 | sciboy | Gnea: There is nothing wrong with just packaging the binary, they just can't release any sourcecode. |
| 06:34.46 | Gnea | sciboy: could be done, just couldn't be distributed in the usual fashion |
| 06:34.58 | liable | foo: ifconfig -a show it? |
| 06:35.00 | nvz | TwistedEmotions: you sound like a friend of mine. Homeboy tells me that shit all the time. |
| 06:35.05 | sciboy | Gnea: Why not? At the moment it requires a kernel patch for installation. |
| 06:35.09 | Gnea | sciboy: no, they can package it, they just can't release it into the main trunk |
| 06:35.13 | Mardus | Gnea: Well, this friend who told me all that about his mother saving him, he didn't exactly admit it, not in that tone, but he said how things went without having to feel ashamed to me of what he did and experienced. In fact, I was there all the time when he drank himself drunk. |
| 06:35.18 | sciboy | Gnea: What about non-free? |
| 06:35.25 | Gnea | sciboy: sure |
| 06:35.31 | foo | liable: Nope. But cardctl status does, hmm |
| 06:35.32 | nvz | TwistedEmotions: gave me some speech about "the daddy" or something.. I didnt quite grok the lecture |
| 06:35.38 | Gnea | sciboy: might want to check the fine print on it tho, just to be sure |
| 06:36.04 | sciboy | Gnea: Not that i would understand the fine print. ;P |
| 06:36.06 | liable | foo: ifconfig wlan0 up? |
| 06:36.22 | sciboy | Gnea: But the binaries have already been packaged for Mandriva i think. |
| 06:36.27 | Mardus | Ask Scarrans "Who's the Daddy?" |
| 06:36.35 | foo | liable: iwconfig only shows lo sit0 and eth0 |
| 06:36.45 | Mardus | No, perhaps it was "the Uncle" that D'Argo had to shout. |
| 06:36.55 | liable | foo: eth0, is your ethernet, yes? |
| 06:36.57 | Gnea | sciboy: that's cool, but that's mandriva, not debian ;) |
| 06:36.58 | nvz | I am pretty sure thats not what he meant |
| 06:37.18 | TwistedEmotions | nvz: No speech needed... just common sense buddy ;) Remove motivation and someone will stop working. It's the way life works. |
| 06:37.20 | Mardus | I didn't put it as if he meant what I said. |
| 06:37.37 | foo | liable: eth0 is my wired in ethernet jack |
| 06:37.42 | sciboy | Gnea: Well anyway, if there is any licensing issues with packaging it, it would be simple enough to just package a download and installation script instead. |
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| 06:37.56 | bitshifty | hello |
| 06:38.06 | nvz | TwistedEmotions: yeah I understand it in simple terms. homeboy just explains it in metaphores. |
| 06:38.09 | bitshifty | can someone tell tell me how to setup exim4 for use with GMail? |
| 06:38.30 | TwistedEmotions | nvz: in his case metawhores? |
| 06:38.33 | nvz | heh |
| 06:38.38 | sciboy | Gnea: In similar fashion to the msttcorefonts package. |
| 06:38.50 | Gnea | bitshifty: fetchmail |
| 06:38.55 | TwistedEmotions | bitshifty: carefully. |
| 06:38.58 | liable | foo: how did you load the modules? |
| 06:39.10 | nvz | I'm sure you two would get along. |
| 06:39.15 | Mardus | TwistedEmotions: ½½^^ -- LOL |
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| 06:39.18 | bitshifty | exim4 is a program to view mail, correct? |
| 06:39.23 | Gnea | sciboy: hrm that might be doable... i'm no package maintainer though, not yet at any rate |
| 06:39.25 | Mardus | TwistedEmotions: "Carefully" -- LOL |
| 06:39.28 | eps | it is a mail transfer agent |
| 06:39.30 | foo | liable: modprobe |
| 06:39.33 | eps | mail is a program to view mail |
| 06:39.33 | sciboy | Gnea: But first i'm more concerned about figuring out how to install pwcx without kernel patching etc. |
| 06:39.42 | Gnea | bitshifty: no, it's an MTA |
| 06:39.46 | TwistedEmotions | Mardus: haha ;) Wasn't that funny.. but thank you. |
| 06:39.49 | liable | foo: ok, thought maybe you used insmod.. |
| 06:39.52 | bitshifty | what program can i use to connect to GMail and read my email? |
| 06:40.02 | TwistedEmotions | AOL? |
| 06:40.14 | Mardus | bitshifty: exim is a mail program, all right, but you then have to view mail with it in console. If you have a decent computer, use Mozilla Mail or Thunderbird instead. |
| 06:40.18 | foo | liable: nope, hmm |
| 06:40.24 | destiny_ | nvz: ever studied Quantum Mechanics? |
| 06:40.24 | sciboy | Gnea: Any ideas in regard to that? |
| 06:40.26 | Mardus | TwistedEmotions: I'm in a good mood. |
| 06:40.27 | nvz | I tried calling him a few hours ago.. but he's not home. I haven't heard from him since last friday. havent seen him since the night before that when we sat here disgussing digest algorithms |
| 06:40.46 | TwistedEmotions | Mardus: ;) Happy your happy. |
| 06:40.59 | nvz | he swears given enough time he can crack md5 I'll believe it when I see it |
| 06:41.00 | Mardus | mhmh |
| 06:41.17 | TwistedEmotions | nvz: Who? |
| 06:41.18 | Gnea | sciboy: you would have to utilize a base kernel source tree, generate the kernel .debs, apply the patch, generate the .deb after defining the rules and have it require the kernel .debs that you created |
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| 06:41.35 | Gnea | sciboy: there might be more than one way for that though |
| 06:41.43 | foo | liable: Any more ideas? Weird problem |
| 06:41.44 | Gnea | but i am unsure |
| 06:41.55 | nvz | destiny_: a friend of mine in highschool turned me on to it in like 9th grade and though I often didnt understand things I was still very interested |
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| 06:42.11 | nvz | TwistedEmotions: a life-long friend of mine |
| 06:42.35 | TwistedEmotions | nvz: rather study quantum mechanics then crack md5 :P At least quantum mechanics is relatively interesting... but it's that what it's really about relativity? |
| 06:42.46 | Scorpaen | i'm trying to download something with rsync but it's telling me i've selected no files -- rsync rsync://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/knoppix/ |
| 06:42.46 | sciboy | Gnea: So i'm taking it, i'll only be able to supply it as precompiled binaries? I was thinking more along the lines of removing the need of the patch from the installation full-stop. |
| 06:42.51 | liable | foo: if all the modules are loaded, I dunno why you cant see it. |
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| 06:43.19 | foo | liable: Yeah, really weird. Thanks for trying |
| 06:43.21 | liable | foo: i dont no anything about cardbus either, so arent much help, sorry.. |
| 06:43.28 | foo | liable: Thanks anyways |
| 06:43.34 | Mardus | Scorpaen: I think you're trying to download something like a directory. You can try this: rsync: <youraddressofdownload>knoppix/index.html |
| 06:43.36 | liable | np |
| 06:43.53 | Mardus | Scorpaen: Maybe it's more useful to pinpoint an exact file that you might want to download. |
| 06:44.05 | Scorpaen | but how do i get a list of files with rsync? |
| 06:44.16 | liable | foo: is 2.6 kernel? did you try booting with it in? |
| 06:44.20 | nvz | TwistedEmotions: well I am working on moving toward where I really want to be in life and FOSS and Linux are a big part of it. I am trying to start a not-for-profit organization to gather interest in the area and attract other minds that think like mine.. so I've been spending time going over various things with people close to me. |
| 06:44.29 | foo | liable: Booting with it in? What do you mean? |
| 06:44.41 | Mardus | Scorpaen: I don't know this. Look at man rsync or if you're using Debian and you have Lynx there, you could use that. |
| 06:44.45 | liable | foo: its pcmcia innit? |
| 06:45.05 | Gnea | sciboy: the linux-image .deb would contain the kernel and modules, while the pwcw .deb would contain only the the driver and necessary .diffs for /etc files |
| 06:45.08 | liable | foo: booting with it in the slot. |
| 06:45.08 | nvz | TwistedEmotions: one night we just got to talking about message digest, and I showed him the specs on md5 and he doesnt believe in it being a one-way digest. swears given the time he could work it backwards |
| 06:45.15 | foo | liable: ah, yes |
| 06:45.21 | Mardus | Scorpaen: Actually, assuming that you're using a normal Debian install... |
| 06:45.29 | Scorpaen | yes Mardus ? |
| 06:45.42 | Scorpaen | i'm using .. well i'm usind Debian Sarge with a 2.6.12 kernel |
| 06:45.44 | Gnea | sciboy: hrm, this discussion might be better in #debian-devel |
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| 06:45.56 | sciboy | Gnea: Okey doke. |
| 06:45.58 | Mardus | Scorpaen: -- Then you could apt-get install lynx and then use that. It's a character-based web browser. |
| 06:46.02 | stew | Gnea: #debian-mentors if anywhere |
| 06:46.13 | servus | elinks is far superior to lynx. Use it instead. |
| 06:46.19 | Scorpaen | Mardus, i can browse an rsync server with lynx? |
| 06:46.30 | liable | foo: the card actually works? tried on another os/box? |
| 06:46.37 | nvz | links2 is better than either. as long as you dont need elinks for ssl |
| 06:46.40 | foo | liable: Yes, something wrong with the kernel I mae |
| 06:46.41 | Mardus | Scorpaen: I didn't say that. I thought you wanted for a file from some server on HTTP. |
| 06:46.44 | foo | made |
| 06:46.54 | Scorpaen | Mardus, no i want a file taht is only avail via rsync |
| 06:46.57 | liable | foo: oh, right, try with debian one? |
| 06:47.00 | TwistedEmotions | nvz: tell him to meganet encryptions.. |
| 06:47.01 | Scorpaen | i'm just having trouble getting rsync to work |
| 06:47.14 | foo | liable: The debian kernel? yeah, works fine |
| 06:47.15 | Mardus | Scorpaen: Well, I can't help you other than man rsync. I don't use rsync or rsync servers. |
| 06:47.19 | TwistedEmotions | nvz: you never know.. if he does it well feel dumb ;) |
| 06:47.29 | nvz | TwistedEmotions: I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 06:47.32 | liable | foo: right, wish you said that to start with :) |
| 06:47.47 | foo | liable: hmm |
| 06:48.04 | TwistedEmotions | nvz: If you crack a 1 million bit code you get like either a farrari 360 or H2 hummer... shit like that.. |
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| 06:48.12 | Mardus | Scorpaen: You'd have to do some research on rsync, I think. |
| 06:48.26 | nvz | TwistedEmotions: if he does it I need to change my security and authentication policies |
| 06:48.35 | destiny_ | when I boot Debian my hdb1 is unmounted, but thats ok! So when I want to mount it and have FULL ACCESS to it to write and read, What command would I use? Is it "mount -o rw /dev/hdb1 /mnt/backup" ? |
| 06:48.46 | TwistedEmotions | nvz: meganet is the company that creates and puts 1 million but encryptions up.. |
| 06:48.57 | TwistedEmotions | nvz: you and the rest of the world... if he does it. |
| 06:49.36 | destiny_ | nvz: any ideas pls? |
| 06:49.39 | stew | destiny_: you don't need -o rw |
| 06:49.55 | onidan | quit |
| 06:49.57 | nvz | TwistedEmotions: he's smart but there are other things about him you just have to have grown up with him to understand. like how to read him when he's blowing smoke |
| 06:50.05 | liable | destiny_: is it linux or windows? |
| 06:50.09 | stew | destiny_: but you could need other options if its ntfs or vfat or something |
| 06:50.13 | destiny_ | stew: what command do I type to make the hdb1 fully writable? |
| 06:50.22 | liable | !vfatrw |
| 06:50.23 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 06:50.25 | destiny_ | liable: its reiserfs |
| 06:50.29 | TwistedEmotions | nvz: hahaha.. ohh well.. hope he has fun ;) |
| 06:50.30 | stew | destiny_: mount /dev/hdb /mnt/backup |
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| 06:50.39 | stew | err /dev/hdb1 whatever |
| 06:50.43 | liable | destiny_: oh, just mount it, should be writable. |
| 06:50.53 | destiny_ | stew: but does that allow me to have ability to write files to the HD? |
| 06:51.20 | destiny_ | liable: so i type "mount /dev/hdb /mnt/backup" ? and this will give me full avbil,ity to write files to it? |
| 06:51.24 | nvz | destiny_: sure, I have an idea but I'll need 50lbs of chicken fat, two naked cambodian teenagers, some spiral 8 penny nails and keep the FBI off my back for awhile. |
| 06:51.36 | stew | destiny_: that mounts the drive rw. permissions on the individual files are another matter |
| 06:51.38 | nvz | destiny_: wtf are you talking about? |
| 06:51.49 | liable | destiny_: yes should be. |
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| 06:52.07 | destiny_ | stew: whats the command to make every single file on the hdb1 writable for my username? |
| 06:52.15 | signius | exit |
| 06:52.20 | stew | destiny_: chmod /chown |
| 06:52.33 | stew | !wikifaq destiny_ Permissions |
| 06:52.33 | destiny_ | stew: so I just type "chmod /chown" |
| 06:52.34 | dpkg | destiny_: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 06:52.47 | stew | destiny_: no, you taype man chmod && man chown |
| 06:53.12 | destiny_ | i been using this: mount -t reiserfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/backup |
| 06:53.15 | Mardus | destiny_: You have to learn alot about file permissions before all that. |
| 06:53.15 | destiny_ | whats that do? |
| 06:53.36 | nvz | TwistedEmotions: I am not really sure if he's smarter than me or not we've always been in parallel and never realy crossed paths or gone at one another. But I do know he's quite practical in his knowlage. like I could think of a solution to something but I will need plutonium or something.. he will figure out how to do it with vegetable oil that we already have. |
| 06:54.03 | stew | destiny_: it mounts /dev/hdb1 to /mnt/backup |
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| 06:54.19 | destiny_ | stew: but whats -t mean? |
| 06:54.26 | stew | destiny_: filesystem type |
| 06:54.31 | Mardus | destiny_: man mount |
| 06:54.37 | stew | destiny_: but that can be autodetected you can leave that off too, most likely |
| 06:54.47 | destiny_ | stew: ok |
| 06:54.56 | destiny_ | stew: thanks for your help |
| 06:54.57 | destiny_ | :) |
| 06:55.20 | stew | destiny_: read the Permissions wiki page |
| 06:55.25 | destiny_ | ok |
| 06:55.29 | destiny_ | brb |
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| 06:56.46 | sjj | Hi, i'm having some trouble with packages being installed but missing files. I've installed 'mysql-server-5.0' and when it attempts to start I get a message regarding '/etc/mysql/my.cnf' not existing. That file is supposed to belong to the 'mysql-common' package which is installed. |
| 06:57.16 | sjj | I used to have that file, and I removed 'mysql-common' and the file remained, so I removed it manually and re-installed hoping it would put it back. |
| 06:57.34 | TraceGreen | Hello, when i run locale, error:locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 06:57.46 | nkuttler | sjj: remove --purge the package, reinstall |
| 06:57.53 | Mardus | sjj: If you want it up, you can just solve it by creating that file as root. Then you can run mysql and then change some settings and hope that mysql-server writes those settings into that file. |
| 06:57.58 | TraceGreen | can anybody helpme? i try to reinstall glibc but now some problem happen. |
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| 06:58.19 | liable | sjj: if all else fails, extract the .deb with dpkg -x and copy it over.. |
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| 06:59.13 | stew | sjj: you can get an example conf file in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/examples |
| 06:59.34 | nkuttler | TraceGreen: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 06:59.39 | stew | sjj: or you could try --reinstall with confmiss /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 06:59.40 | sjj | stew: sure, but other files are missing too, like 'debian-start' |
| 06:59.48 | nkuttler | sjj: do what i said |
| 06:59.58 | nkuttler | sjj: or the confmiss thingie |
| 07:00.08 | sjj | nkuttler: so purge the package, then dpkg -i it? |
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| 07:00.35 | nkuttler | sjj: that will re-create all files you deleted |
| 07:00.47 | sjj | ok, i'll give it a go. thanks. |
| 07:01.05 | TraceGreen | nkuttler, locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
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| 07:01.19 | nkuttler | TraceGreen: when do you get that? |
| 07:01.43 | TraceGreen | nkuttler, i try to reinstall libc6... |
| 07:02.12 | TraceGreen | nkuttler, when i run dpkg-reconfig locales, i can't start this program. show me that error. |
| 07:02.55 | nkuttler | TraceGreen: usually it's not fatal... how come you don't have the default locale |
| 07:03.13 | TraceGreen | nkuttler, I don't know~~ |
| 07:04.29 | nvz | heh :P obviously not a Counting Crows fan |
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| 07:04.58 | sjj | nkuttler: thanks, that appeared to work. |
| 07:05.00 | liable | dont mind em actually, but it was off key.. :P |
| 07:05.16 | sjj | nkuttler: howcome simply removing with apt and then reinstalling with apt won't do the same thing? |
| 07:05.20 | nvz | I am and I probably only heard that song once before now in my life. strange how you can miss things if you don't pay attention |
| 07:05.39 | stew | sjj: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 07:06.08 | sjj | ahh |
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| 07:06.47 | nvz | of course thats the way it is with the Counting Crows unless you record something you will never hear the same song again. they are very random and always live. |
| 07:06.56 | nkuttler | TraceGreen: can you paste the whole error in #flood? |
| 07:07.16 | Mardus | I decided to go for now. Bye. |
| 07:07.35 | TraceGreen | #flood |
| 07:07.47 | TraceGreen | nkuttler, what do you mean of #flood? i am sorry |
| 07:07.47 | liable | #boat |
| 07:08.09 | liable | the channel.. /j #flood |
| 07:08.55 | liable | TraceGreen: its a channel where you can paste stuff.. |
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| 07:13.28 | liable | !boring |
| 07:13.29 | dpkg | yes, you are liable |
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| 07:13.34 | liable | :) |
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| 07:20.10 | nvz | oh well I am going to bed. the rest of you can enjoy the part of the day where #debian is silent |
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| 07:20.42 | nvz | I havent got shit to do until monday at best so I may just go into hibernation |
| 07:22.01 | liable | heh |
| 07:22.12 | nvz | ;) |
| 07:23.24 | nvz | monday could be a good day.. if not I dont know what I will do. I was expecting today to be a good day but it turned out to be one of those days I pay for my mistakes earlier in the week |
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| 07:24.27 | nkuttler | nvz: you can still _make_ this into a good day |
| 07:24.57 | nvz | not really as the today I meant was actually yesturday its 3:21am now |
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| 07:25.42 | nkuttler | nvz: sleeping is always a good thing i guess |
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| 07:26.37 | nkuttler | isn't that great? every day ends and starts with something good! |
| 07:28.30 | destiny_ | nkuttler: yeah, a breath |
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| 07:29.02 | destiny_ | phaedrus_: hello,m still using XP? |
| 07:29.12 | nvz | hmm so many songs about sleep and breath I dont know which I'll play |
| 07:29.31 | cahoot | considered silence? |
| 07:29.35 | nvz | I think I'll just continue listening to "Amy Hit The Atmosphere" |
| 07:29.55 | liable | nvz: speak to me, breathe, pink floyd.. |
| 07:30.03 | fooz | damn. Palm Lifedrive won't boot from a CF card |
| 07:30.05 | destiny_ | is clamscan any good? |
| 07:30.55 | nvz | I'm not really much into Pink Floyd or Beatles or most bands like that. I cant identify with them much. they sing about such off the wall shit and I never did that many drugs |
| 07:31.20 | stew | SimonRaven: connection refused |
| 07:31.27 | cahoot | nvz: the Band's pretty down to earth |
| 07:31.29 | nemo | who needs drugs. Floyd just rocks :) |
| 07:31.33 | phaedrus_ | uh...no xp |
| 07:31.37 | liable | I very rarely actually listen/try to decipher song lirics.. |
| 07:31.39 | SimonRaven | oh, server got stopped. try in 5 minutes |
| 07:31.43 | liable | lyrics |
| 07:32.05 | nvz | I feel a personal connection with most of my fav bands |
| 07:32.13 | destiny_ | nvz: I like listening to maroon 5, christian music, selina, and josh groban |
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| 07:32.27 | nvz | never heard any of that |
| 07:32.39 | nemo | nvz: I find the music of Floyd connects with me. so, yeah, I can see that. |
| 07:32.44 | destiny_ | nvz: never heard of any ? |
| 07:32.51 | tommy | hi people :) |
| 07:32.51 | nvz | closest thing I heard to cristian music was Creed.. |
| 07:32.58 | nemo | nvz: listen to 'Wish you were here' (album, not just the song) for good Floyd intro. :) |
| 07:33.23 | destiny_ | nvz: I also like Jamiriquo |
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| 07:33.38 | nvz | I've listened to plenty of Floyed. went to see them and led zepplin at lazer show in the planetarium at the Carnegie Science Center |
| 07:33.45 | tommy | anyone wanna answer a couple stupid questions for me? |
| 07:33.54 | nemo | nvz: damnit. now I'm jealous :) |
| 07:33.59 | nvz | talk about trippy shit.. listen to them to the lazer show |
| 07:34.08 | destiny_ | nvz: they play that crap at the Dale Carnegie Center? |
| 07:34.15 | liable | !tell rabbitear about away |
| 07:34.24 | nvz | destiny_: is that what its called? |
| 07:34.33 | destiny_ | Dale would have rolled over in his grave if he was conscious |
| 07:34.43 | nemo | *shrugs* I've never thought of them as trippy... but then, I've never done drugs, so I have no personal experience with 'trippy'. I just know what related to me regardless :) |
| 07:34.57 | nvz | destiny_: are you talking about the Science Center on the Northside of Pittsburgh? |
| 07:35.02 | destiny_ | nemo: you ever drank coffee? |
| 07:35.07 | nvz | cause thats what I am talking about |
| 07:35.13 | destiny_ | nvz: im in Australia |
| 07:35.15 | nemo | destiny_: nope. the smell of the stuff makes me sick |
| 07:35.23 | nvz | heh |
| 07:35.28 | liable | destiny_: what crap? |
| 07:35.30 | nemo | destiny_: pick another example. ;) |
| 07:35.33 | destiny_ | nemo: ever drank coke? |
| 07:35.37 | nvz | I'm in the Commonpoverty of Pennsylvania |
| 07:35.42 | destiny_ | liable: floyd :P |
| 07:35.42 | fooz | hehe |
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| 07:35.48 | tommy | on a net install of debian, isnt X installed? startx doesnt work |
| 07:35.54 | fooz | Which one's Pink? |
| 07:35.55 | destiny_ | nemo: ever drank coka cola? |
| 07:35.59 | nkuttler | nemo: sugar? |
| 07:36.09 | nevyn | tommy: did you select task-desktop ? |
| 07:36.11 | nemo | destiny_: yes. I've drank coke. also taken peniccilin and other various drugs. let';s not be anally pedantic eh? |
| 07:36.19 | tommy | yep |
| 07:36.26 | liable | tommy: run tasksel, pick desktop |
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| 07:36.39 | SimonRaven | stew: ok, running now |
| 07:36.41 | destiny_ | nemo: seeing u have had coka cola, that means you have indeed had drugs |
| 07:36.50 | liable | tommy: what do you mean, by doesnt work? |
| 07:36.54 | nemo | destiny_: thankyou for showing just how anally pedantic you are. |
| 07:37.06 | tommy | starx gives invalid command |
| 07:37.11 | tommy | err startx |
| 07:37.20 | nemo | surely 'illegal' was a pretty obvious part of the preceeding converstion? |
| 07:37.23 | SimonRaven | there's no coca in that crap, it got taken out when cocaine was made 'illegal' |
| 07:37.25 | destiny_ | nemo: have you been found yet? |
| 07:37.34 | tommy | tasksel ended with a permissions denied, do i need to be on root? |
| 07:37.40 | nvz | !yinzersmite destiny_ |
| 07:37.40 | liable | tommy: yes |
| 07:37.44 | tommy | k |
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| 07:38.04 | tommy | ok, its done and at a prompt |
| 07:38.18 | nvz | Coca~Cola as in Cocain not Coka Cola |
| 07:38.24 | tommy | oh wait i see the problem |
| 07:38.30 | destiny_ | nemo: alcohol kills more people each year than cokaine or heroin! so who are they to tell us whats illegal or not? |
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| 07:38.36 | liable | tommy: what? how did you pick desktop? |
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| 07:38.42 | tommy | in the tasksel window, how do i change the choice? highlight and enter? |
| 07:38.45 | destiny_ | nemo: have you been found yet? |
| 07:38.48 | SimonRaven | it was coca. cocaine is derived from the processing of coca leaves |
| 07:38.51 | liable | tommy: spacebar |
| 07:38.58 | nemo | destiny_: thanks, don't get political with me, cos you don't have to preach with me, and in the context of #debian, I certainly don't care |
| 07:39.01 | liable | tommy: then tab to get to ok |
| 07:39.05 | destiny_ | SimonRaven: it also contains caffeine, and caffine is a drug |
| 07:39.07 | tommy | thats where i went wrong :) |
| 07:39.12 | nemo | have I been found yet? huh? |
| 07:39.16 | SimonRaven | ohnoz, a drug!! |
| 07:39.20 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 07:39.25 | destiny_ | nemo: yes, :"finding nemo" |
| 07:39.26 | nemo | SimonRaven: destiny_ is just trolling. ignore him |
| 07:39.30 | destiny_ | nemo: have you been found yet? :) |
| 07:39.33 | liable | lets not start about religion, if that is where this is going... |
| 07:39.33 | tommy | its doin its thing and installing the packages :) |
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| 07:39.36 | SimonRaven | air is drug. now please shtu the fuck up, 'k, thanks |
| 07:39.40 | SimonRaven | a* |
| 07:39.47 | tommy | ty liable |
| 07:39.53 | liable | tommy: yw |
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| 07:40.06 | destiny_ | nemo: you still living west of Sydney? |
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| 07:40.14 | nemo | destiny_: http://www.theporch.house.cx/cgi-bin/nemwiki.pl?FindingNemo |
| 07:40.37 | SimonRaven | warm is better than dry ;p |
| 07:40.48 | liable | drugs are ok. |
| 07:40.55 | liable | mmmk |
| 07:41.00 | SimonRaven | that's one thing i can't do much of, is drink alcohol |
| 07:41.03 | nvz | I drank chic beers tonight |
| 07:41.19 | shmloe | Can Sun Blide be able to install debian on them? |
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| 07:41.36 | destiny_ | nemo: you are a westy right? you still living west of Sydney? |
| 07:41.48 | nemo | destiny_: stop trolling. you're just embarrassing yourself |
| 07:42.11 | nvz | bought a few duces of smirnoff I had the Green Apple, then the Ice, now the Tripple Black |
| 07:42.17 | destiny_ | nemo: define trolling |
| 07:42.25 | valdyn | !troll |
| 07:42.26 | dpkg | somebody said troll was a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html |
| 07:42.28 | SimonRaven | @troll |
| 07:42.29 | ravenbird | hmm... troll is a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or ... |
| 07:42.41 | destiny_ | who wrote that defination and who said that defination is correct? |
| 07:43.05 | destiny_ | nemo: and what did I say to align with that defination for troll? |
| 07:43.08 | nvz | destiny_: its an irc term for baiting off-topic conversation usually leading to a heated debate |
| 07:43.10 | nkuttler | faking being clueless... check |
| 07:43.13 | valdyn | destiny_: you can figure that out yourself, /msg dpkg factinfo troll |
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| 07:43.14 | liable | destiny_: the point is, just be quiet. |
| 07:43.16 | destiny_ | nvz: ok |
| 07:43.18 | nvz | like Knoppix is debian!! |
| 07:43.24 | SimonRaven | destiny_: why bother talking when you can't make the point? stfu and learn a bit, white boy |
| 07:43.27 | destiny_ | nvz: ok |
| 07:43.27 | nemo | woah, unlag. crappy network |
| 07:43.49 | nvz | must be you |
| 07:43.52 | nvz | I am lag free |
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| 07:44.17 | nemo | destiny_: you're trying to provoke a response, and being stupid and anal (first about drugs, then about a pixar movie and my nick, and now apparently about my location). looks like trolling to me. |
| 07:44.39 | GuERo | the last week I see a program to save "network profiles". by console you selected " I'm where " and this programan ejected bash scripts to configure de network. Any body now the name of this program ? |
| 07:45.46 | valdyn | GuERo: sounds silly where you can just play with different versions of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:47.04 | PerfDave | valdyn: Sounds like a good way to generate scripts for use *with* /etc/network/interfaces to autoconfigure ;) |
| 07:47.08 | liable | etherconf?? |
| 07:47.20 | GuERo | yes, but I need change de interfaces file any times I change de network. I search more easy method - I change de network more times in one day - |
| 07:47.43 | nkuttler | GuERo: try apt-cache search laptop network and similar things |
| 07:47.44 | liable | GuERo: um, the word is 'the' :P |
| 07:48.02 | GuERo | I don't remeber the name of this progrman... run under ncurses |
| 07:48.22 | cahoot | Guerin: netenv? |
| 07:48.30 | nkuttler | GuERo: bother the sysadmins to set up dhcp correctly... |
| 07:48.40 | cahoot | GuERo: : netenv? |
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| 07:48.52 | GuERo | cahoot, this!!! thx ! :) |
| 07:48.59 | Gnea | w00t, got make-kpkg to behave |
| 07:49.26 | liable | !spank make-kpkg |
| 07:49.31 | GuERo | nkuttler, ya.. but in a sites I go, don't have dhcp servers.... |
| 07:49.33 | Gnea | heh |
| 07:49.37 | GuERo | is a long history :P |
| 07:50.01 | SimonRaven | etherconf. liable said it |
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| 07:50.51 | PerfDave | etherconf is manual and shit though. |
| 07:51.09 | PerfDave | GuERo: laptop-net is one way of doing what you want, but isnt' ncurses-based or easy (indeed, I never got the hang of it). |
| 07:51.15 | SimonRaven | yeh. destroyed my conf once. never used it again |
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| 07:51.41 | defcon8 | hello |
| 07:52.00 | kart_ | hello all |
| 07:52.15 | valdyn | GuERo: i use, uh, think it was 'netapplet' |
| 07:52.20 | liable | shit, its not like interfaces file is that hard too figure.. |
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| 07:52.50 | Poseiden | I cannot find non-US for either etch or sid. Is there a problem, or am I doing something wrong? |
| 07:52.52 | PerfDave | liable: No, but it's a PITA to fuck around with several times a day. |
| 07:52.58 | PerfDave | Poseiden: /topic |
| 07:53.36 | liable | PerfDave: why fuck with it that much? |
| 07:53.46 | liable | whats the need? |
| 07:53.48 | PerfDave | liable: Maybe because you need to? |
| 07:53.59 | PerfDave | liable: *rolleyes* |
| 07:54.16 | Poseiden | PerfDave: thanks |
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| 07:56.07 | liable | indeed.. |
| 07:56.15 | GuERo | PerfDave, ok thx. :) |
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| 07:56.59 | destiny_ | when installing Kaffeine I get an error: kaffeine: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.2-4.0.2) but 4:3.3.2-2 is to be installed |
| 07:57.03 | destiny_ | E: Broken packages |
| 07:57.11 | destiny_ | anyone know how I can fix this? |
| 07:57.51 | GuERo | wow... I see seven wireless networks... |
| 07:58.07 | GuERo | only tue have wap.. |
| 07:58.23 | SimonRaven | 'two' |
| 07:58.33 | GuERo | sorry two :P |
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| 07:59.19 | valdyn | destiny_: by not running sid? |
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| 08:02.22 | destiny_ | valdyn: how can I play streaming music from radio station wesbites? |
| 08:02.31 | PerfDave | GuERo: WAP, WEP or WPA? :) |
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| 08:03.14 | pulaski | hello all, |
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| 08:04.23 | shmloe | How do I 'dist-upgrade' and apply 'yes' when question is being ask? Is it 'apt-get install dist-upgrade -y' and I can goto sleep? |
| 08:04.32 | PerfDave | shmloe: man apt-get |
| 08:04.35 | soar | why do i have to run alsaconf to get sound card work after I reboot my sarge box? |
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| 08:04.49 | PerfDave | soar: Because you haven't used alsactl to save the settings? |
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| 08:05.15 | GuERo | WEP |
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| 08:05.18 | soar | just run alsactl? |
| 08:05.25 | PerfDave | soar: man alsactl :) |
| 08:05.39 | PerfDave | GuERo: WEP is useless, it's as good as having no encryption at all. |
| 08:05.55 | pulaski | I'm running sarge. I've developed a problem tonight loading gnome or kde from the X login window. |
| 08:05.56 | liable | I wouldnt quite say that... |
| 08:06.23 | PerfDave | pulaski: Why don't you tell us what problem you're having (and indeed what X login window you're using) |
| 08:06.24 | liable | pulaski: and that problem is? |
| 08:07.00 | PerfDave | GuERo: My wireless network doesn't have WEP because it has IPSec instead ;) |
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| 08:07.48 | GuERo | I only have WEP |
| 08:07.58 | GuERo | 128 |
| 08:08.06 | liable | wep *is* better than nothing. |
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| 08:08.22 | JViz | PerfDave: i have uninstalled webmin, as recommended. |
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| 08:08.43 | PerfDave | liable: In the same way that tissue paper is better than nothing if you don't have a bulletproof vest available, sure. |
| 08:09.38 | liable | PerfDave: well, if you think you can crack a wep key on a low usage home network in an hour, or three, then fine.. |
| 08:09.48 | PerfDave | liable: Been there, done that. |
| 08:10.04 | JViz | PerfDave: what is it that makes webmin bad? |
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| 08:10.13 | pulaski | with sarge upon boot after loading my default window manager, gdm, the (as far as I know) usual X login window appears where I can select a between ked, gnome, and a couple other lesser versions of each. I choose gnome, which is my usual default, the Debian sarge splash screen comes up but then my screen goes blank and the usual login window reappears. |
| 08:10.41 | PerfDave | JViz: I suspect it was neglected as a child. |
| 08:10.48 | JViz | heh |
| 08:11.22 | PerfDave | JViz: There's no inherent reason *why* webmin should suck (other than the fact that its permissions infrastructure is horrible), it just has a history of being monstrously insecure and fucking your config files hard. |
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| 08:11.56 | pulaski | hello I'm back. I seem to have dropped my connection for a minute. |
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| 08:12.01 | streuner | hm |
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| 08:12.19 | JViz | PerfDave: ah, i see... |
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| 08:13.11 | PerfDave | JViz: There are also those that say that using CGI scripts to edit system config files (thereby giving the Apache user root or near-root powers) is a fundementally bad idea, and they're probably right ;) |
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| 08:14.38 | sciboy | Hey guys, i am looking for some help into seeing whether the kernel patch in PWCX is completely necessary. http://www.smcc.demon.nl/webcam/pwcx-9.0.tar.gz |
| 08:14.40 | g00se | Does Apache have to run as root? |
| 08:14.44 | pulaski | Anyway I'm running sarge and after going through the boot process and successfully loading my default window manager gdm I get the usual X sign on screen. You know the one where I can choose the type of session, gnome, kde, limited gnome etc. I log in ok but the screen goes black just after the Debian splash screen appears and I'm thrown back to a new login window. |
| 08:14.55 | Guerin_ | g00se: it has to NOT run as root |
| 08:15.03 | g00se | Thought so |
| 08:15.14 | pulaski | gnome is my default ordinarily |
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| 08:16.25 | PerfDave | g00se: Debian's Apache packages should run as www-data |
| 08:16.32 | CoffeeBreaks | anyone knows a command line tool to reorder columns? sort doesn't do it |
| 08:16.41 | Guerin_ | CoffeeBreaks: awk |
| 08:16.49 | g00se | PerfDave: OK |
| 08:16.56 | pulaski | while using the find command tonight doing an unrelated searcj I noticed it returned this weird message before searching as usual: find: /home/mike/.gnome/gedit-metadata.xml: input/output error |
| 08:17.20 | g00se | !awk |
| 08:17.20 | dpkg | awk is, like, a pattern scanning and text processing language invented by Aho, Weinberger and Kernighan. or awk! awk! awk! I'm a bird, or help! I can't grep my awk!, or see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/awk/awk1line.txt for nifty oneliners |
| 08:17.31 | Guerin | i/o error == harddrive dead or dying |
| 08:17.43 | CoffeeBreaks | I know awk. Thought there might be something that I didn't have to program |
| 08:17.44 | CoffeeBreaks | :) |
| 08:18.06 | Guerin | CoffeeBreaks: heh. There might be, but why bother when awk is so much fun? |
| 08:18.09 | g00se | Program? ;-) |
| 08:18.16 | pulaski | I suspect such a message may be related to Debian's Sarge gnome not being able to load. Its just a hunch. |
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| 08:18.47 | liable | pulaski: if you choose gnome manually, does it work, or if you change to tty1 and stop gdm, does startx work? |
| 08:19.11 | SimonRaven | you know, startx -- :1 works... |
| 08:19.35 | pulaski | thanks liable I can try start x from the console. I haven't tried that. |
| 08:19.43 | pulaski | startx that is |
| 08:20.01 | pulaski | I'm unsure how to "stop gdm" |
| 08:20.10 | CoffeeBreaks | Guerin: thanks it was really easy thanks to FS |
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| 08:20.31 | omry | pucko, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 08:20.32 | omry | as root |
| 08:20.35 | CoffeeBreaks | for the curious cat file | awk 'BEGIN { FS = "#" } { print $2 $1 }' |
| 08:20.46 | omry | pucko, sorry. wrong target :) |
| 08:21.08 | Guerin | CoffeeBreaks: uuoc |
| 08:21.16 | deadcat | CoffeeBreaks: or -F "#" |
| 08:21.27 | pulaski | liable if I choose gnome or kde or even the abbreviated gnome reserved for repair the same blackout occurs and I'm back to the login screen. |
| 08:22.02 | pulaski | I'll try startx from the counsole though. That's a helpful suggestion. |
| 08:22.18 | pulaski | console |
| 08:22.28 | liable | pulaski: ok, I vaguely remember people having this problem with gdm a while ago, and changing dm fixed it, but never found out why.. |
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| 08:23.03 | alistair | hey |
| 08:23.05 | pulaski | ok, thanks liable. "dm"? |
| 08:23.10 | alistair | i need some help, graphics card installtion |
| 08:23.43 | liable | pulaski: gdm, kdm,xdm,wdm etc |
| 08:23.54 | alistair | Nvidia installtion help please |
| 08:23.55 | pulaski | do you mean changin gdm? |
| 08:23.56 | pulaski | ok |
| 08:24.07 | nkuttler | !tell alistair about set up x |
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| 08:24.35 | liable | !tell alistair about nvidia |
| 08:24.52 | pulaski | I'll try and find out how to do that in addition to the console startx routine. |
| 08:25.05 | pulaski | thanks you liable |
| 08:25.07 | pulaski | cya |
| 08:25.26 | liable | pulaski: easy, install another, remove gdm :) |
| 08:25.42 | pulaski | ok |
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| 08:25.50 | pulaski | that is easy |
| 08:25.56 | pulaski | thanks again |
| 08:25.58 | pulaski | cya |
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| 08:26.16 | powerd | !tell powerd about nvidia |
| 08:26.16 | X2 | hi, guys |
| 08:26.31 | powerd | !tell powerd about nvidia installer |
| 08:26.45 | liable | powerd: you can /msg dpkg |
| 08:26.48 | deadcat | powerd: use /msg dpkg please |
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| 08:27.03 | powerd | ok, srry not familar w/ the bot |
| 08:27.22 | liable | !tell powerd about /msg the bot |
| 08:27.28 | liable | bah |
| 08:27.31 | powerd | heh |
| 08:27.37 | fidget | does anyone know any other cmd line aim clients aside from centericq and naim? |
| 08:27.52 | deadcat | fidget: search theres hella |
| 08:28.11 | fidget | recommendations then? |
| 08:28.11 | shmloe | what is a good package to synchronzie the clock? |
| 08:28.11 | Cyis | evening deadcat |
| 08:28.17 | liable | !tell powerd about msg the bot |
| 08:28.29 | deadcat | Cyis: what up.. school just started on thur. )= |
| 08:28.33 | powerd | ~[ liable ]~ lmao |
| 08:28.34 | liable | hah, that ones not very helpfull. |
| 08:28.39 | powerd | opps |
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| 08:29.22 | g00se | Good cross-platform gui IM clients are..? |
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| 08:29.47 | PerfDave | g00se: Psi |
| 08:29.49 | Stimz | hello :) I need some help with configuring Debian Sarge |
| 08:29.56 | PerfDave | fidget: bitlbee |
| 08:29.57 | Cyis | deadcat: not much... just got done burning the AMD64 and i386 DVD images for Sarge... looking at starting to get BASE packaged in place of ACID |
| 08:30.02 | g00se | PerfDave: Ah ta |
| 08:30.19 | deadcat | Cyis: dvd eh? cool. |
| 08:30.30 | PerfDave | g00se: gaim is a cross-platform GUI IM clint, but I don't personally think it's very good ;) |
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| 08:31.01 | g00se | Ah OK. What about MSN (ugh) support? |
| 08:31.01 | Cyis | deadcat: yeah... Pick'd up a Plextor PX-712SA after the picnic last sunday |
| 08:31.16 | deadcat | Cyis: frys? |
| 08:31.19 | Cyis | yeah |
| 08:31.22 | deadcat | (= |
| 08:31.28 | Cyis | g00se: what's wrong with GAIM? |
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| 08:31.39 | deadcat | the "after picnic activity" eh? |
| 08:31.44 | g00se | Cyis: does it have MSN support? |
| 08:31.49 | PerfDave | g00se: Psi is a Jabber client, which lets you talk to MSN clients through Transports. Gaim, Kopete etc. have MSN support. |
| 08:31.52 | deadcat | g00se: it has everything |
| 08:31.54 | Cyis | deadcat: 79.99 with $20 rebate... if I'd waited till Monday it went on sale for 69.99 with the same rebate ;) |
| 08:32.04 | liable | ouch.. |
| 08:32.06 | Cyis | g00se: has for the past couple years I've used it |
| 08:32.06 | deadcat | Cyis: hahah. |
| 08:32.23 | g00se | Good folks - i'll look it up. Never really used IM before |
| 08:32.42 | Cyis | only thing with it was having to modify include/linux/libata.h to change the #undef to #define for the ATAPI support |
| 08:32.43 | Stimz | is there a IRC room for newbies?? |
| 08:33.01 | Cyis | #n00b ? :) |
| 08:33.04 | liable | #ubuntu? |
| 08:33.07 | Stimz | :) |
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| 08:33.16 | powerd | ubuntu, hehe |
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| 08:33.32 | rfm | newbies at what? |
| 08:33.34 | Stimz | ./join #n00b <--- v. funny |
| 08:33.48 | deadcat | no. #linux |
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| 08:34.10 | Stimz | at debian |
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| 08:34.36 | liable | Stimz: if you have a debian question, here is the place. but you may get told to rtfm if it applies.. :) |
| 08:34.37 | Stimz | I'm not exactly 100% green but I'm struggling in getting Sarge configured |
| 08:34.49 | Stimz | :) thanks |
| 08:35.07 | Stimz | My screen is stuck on 800-600 and I cannot change it |
| 08:35.09 | Stimz | how? |
| 08:35.44 | Pioto | what's a good tool for configuring the sysv runlevels in debian? |
| 08:35.44 | liable | Stimz: you set all the resolutions when you configured x? |
| 08:35.46 | coag_ | dpkg-reconfigure XFree86-4 |
| 08:35.48 | coag_ | i think |
| 08:35.50 | Stimz | I cannot connect to my HP officejet 4215 printer by USB apparently the printer utilities are missing |
| 08:35.57 | Stimz | ta |
| 08:36.01 | rfm | damn, sarge is still xfree86 |
| 08:36.06 | coag_ | yeah |
| 08:36.12 | coag_ | mine recently upgraded to xorg |
| 08:36.21 | coag_ | which tripped me out |
| 08:36.24 | liable | !drxx Stimz |
| 08:36.25 | dpkg | Stimz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:36.29 | Cyis | coag_: running unstable are we? |
| 08:36.36 | coag_ | yeah :> |
| 08:36.45 | rfm | real men run sid |
| 08:36.50 | Stimz | ok |
| 08:36.51 | liable | Stimz: what card? |
| 08:37.05 | rfm | real women too |
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| 08:37.29 | Stimz | rage mobility p/m AGP x2 |
| 08:37.30 | liable | no, not really... |
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| 08:38.21 | liable | Stimz: do what dpkg said then |
| 08:38.57 | deadcat | rfm: what. you're not familiar with experimental? |
| 08:39.07 | Cyis | I just run testing... can't afford to deal with serious breakage |
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| 08:39.46 | rfm | deadcat: nah, that's just weird |
| 08:39.59 | Stimz | here we go |
| 08:40.19 | Stimz | first window shows a list of desired x servers I have ATI selected |
| 08:40.57 | Stimz | is this the right one? |
| 08:41.05 | rfm | Cyis: in three years of running sid I've never had a broken system (wouldn't boot, couldn't login) mind you my mail server runs stable |
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| 08:42.02 | deadcat | rfm: you pussy. i run everything on sid (= |
| 08:42.09 | Cyis | rfm: more so packages not installing because of dependencies... with the number of servers I maintain I don't want to deal with that hassle... just easier to run stable |
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| 08:42.50 | soar | how to know card # or id ? |
| 08:42.57 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: When I want to find a file on my computer I dont seem to be able to do it... it gives me fuckered up results... looking for pdf files.. so I try... find / *.pdf |
| 08:43.13 | TwistedEmotions | find [-H] [-L] [-P] [path...] [expression] |
| 08:43.20 | TwistedEmotions | according to man.. |
| 08:43.25 | TwistedEmotions | HLP are useless.. |
| 08:43.31 | TwistedEmotions | path is everything so / |
| 08:43.39 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: find / -type f -iname "*.pdf" |
| 08:43.39 | soar | according man alsactl, i'd run alsactl store <card # or id> |
| 08:43.42 | rfm | cyis: hey, if you got real people trying to do real work on the systems, I think you're doing the right thing. My sid systems hurt nobody but me if they're broke for a day.. |
| 08:43.52 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: use quote... and 2> /dev/null |
| 08:44.12 | Cyis | rfm: yeah... my boss would tend to get a lil peev'd if I broke things :) |
| 08:44.15 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i have class tomorrow (= |
| 08:44.31 | Cyis | after spending the time to debate and move our systems from *BSD to Debian |
| 08:44.48 | Cyis | one of the key arguments end'd up being ease of maintainence |
| 08:44.50 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: go to sleep ;P |
| 08:44.57 | nkuttler | TwistedEmotions: read the examples section of the man page |
| 08:44.59 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: oh yeah gj on the girls... go hit on them |
| 08:45.02 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. at 2am hehe |
| 08:45.13 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: will do on monday (= |
| 08:45.13 | Coag | Cyis, servers? |
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| 08:45.55 | Stimz | *liable I have a screen asking me to enter the video card's bus identifier |
| 08:45.57 | Stimz | ?? |
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| 08:46.06 | Coag | just hit enter |
| 08:46.09 | Cyis | Coag: yes... everything from DNS, Web, MX, file servers, etc |
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| 08:46.22 | Coag | Cyis, now why would you do a silly thing like that? |
| 08:46.25 | jnc | ahhh.... hallo |
| 08:46.53 | wers | i added a share in smb.comf and restarted initd, but i cant see it on my lan. Any idéas? |
| 08:47.05 | Cyis | Coag: cause I got tired of doing 'make world' on multiple machines when I could run a simple script to run 'apt-get upgrade' |
| 08:47.11 | hume | is there a way to make nfs-mounted volumes follow symlinks to files outside the mounted directory? |
| 08:47.20 | deadcat | wers: initd? you mean /etc/init.d/samba ? |
| 08:47.27 | Coag | Cyis, yes and what about security issues? |
| 08:47.29 | nkuttler | wers: check the log files |
| 08:47.33 | wers | deadcat ..ye typo |
| 08:47.54 | deadcat | wers: then double check your config file. maybe typo (= |
| 08:48.05 | Cyis | Coag: that's why they pay me to keep track of security issues and determine if the vulnerablity affects us |
| 08:48.07 | jnc | i'm currently running a breezy Ubuntu install on this athlon64 box. it's been okay for office duties like word processing, supporting my printer, and such. now it has turned that i want to use it for music and that is going to be a problem. i'm thinking about blowing off Ubuntu and replacing it with Debian sarge (or possibly etch) |
| 08:48.11 | wers | deadcat ..mm ya thnx. |
| 08:48.21 | jnc | what are everyone's thoughts on that matter, if i may ask? |
| 08:48.25 | Cyis | jnc: prolly a good choice |
| 08:48.37 | soar | how to know sound card # or id? |
| 08:48.38 | nkuttler | jnc: you're asking on #debian, what do you expect? |
| 08:48.45 | jnc | well.. i'm a Gentoo dev |
| 08:48.53 | Coag | O.O |
| 08:48.57 | Coag | so why not gentoo? |
| 08:49.05 | Cyis | there's a 2 week install :) |
| 08:49.07 | jnc | so i'm also torn on whether i want to throw Gentoo on it. i really want to have the flexibility to package and install anything i want |
| 08:49.11 | jnc | nah |
| 08:49.24 | jnc | Gentoo isn't too bad, it's just the use of python for the build system that nags me |
| 08:49.28 | Coag | 3 days max on my 1.3 duron |
| 08:49.29 | deadcat | jnc: because you cant stand gentoo? HAHAH |
| 08:49.41 | wers | ..... fuck i must have been strung out when i did that change in smb.conf. lol |
| 08:49.58 | jnc | well? i mean, making a Gentoo package is super simple. the same operation on a Debian system seems to be a pain in the butt |
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| 08:50.05 | Cyis | Coag: wonder how long it'd take on my 2Ghz AMD64 then |
| 08:50.09 | jnc | what am i missing |
| 08:50.14 | nkuttler | jnc: are you trying to troll? |
| 08:50.17 | Coag | Cyis, not very long id bet |
| 08:50.20 | jnc | not at all, man |
| 08:50.25 | jnc | i'm asking, what am i missing |
| 08:50.27 | Cyis | Coag: with 1.5GB RAM :) |
| 08:50.28 | nkuttler | jnc: read the new maintainers guide |
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| 08:50.48 | jnc | nkuttler: i have, i've built several debian packages from scratch. it's like pulling teeth, no? |
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| 08:51.03 | jnc | actually |
| 08:51.05 | nkuttler | jnc: i only did once... i guess it wasn't too much fun, yes |
| 08:51.11 | jnc | it wasn't bad until i had to do a library |
| 08:51.12 | jnc | that was pain |
| 08:51.16 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: have you taken geography at dvc? |
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| 08:51.36 | jnc | i'm very pleased with Debian Sarge :) |
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| 08:51.51 | Coag | ive tried many-a-distro for a desktopmachien |
| 08:51.52 | jnc | it runs and behaves on just every box i've tried |
| 08:52.18 | jnc | for this particular box, i want to keep my developer senses tingling |
| 08:52.19 | jnc | :) |
| 08:52.23 | Coag | Fedora Core 3 Mandrake 10.1 gentoo ubuntu and SuSE but nothing has made me as happy as debian |
| 08:52.30 | Stimz | after I have reconfigured xserver do i need to restart? |
| 08:52.31 | Coag | gentoo was lightning fast and great |
| 08:52.34 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: no.. never have... hate those kinds of science... only respect physics, chem and bio. |
| 08:52.36 | Coag | jsut not good for desktop |
| 08:52.38 | soar | how to know sound card number or ID in sarge? |
| 08:52.39 | nkuttler | Stimz: yes |
| 08:52.45 | Stimz | :D ta |
| 08:52.46 | Cyis | I'm running Debian AMD64 here for my workstation... but then I'm running 3 servers under VMware as well on it |
| 08:52.48 | Stimz | adios |
| 08:52.55 | jnc | do i have to be a Debian developer to contribute changes |
| 08:53.03 | jnc | or um, should i be hassling upstream authors |
| 08:53.06 | nkuttler | jnc: no, /msg dpkg bts |
| 08:53.08 | Cyis | jnc: to upload to the mirror yes |
| 08:53.34 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what book you use for 2nd sem eng? |
| 08:53.39 | jnc | how does it work if i want to package the latest CVS release of say, some digital audio workstation software "Ardour" |
| 08:53.54 | jnc | on Gentoo i would go write an ebuild file for it and that would be that |
| 08:53.58 | deadcat | jnc: download, build. |
| 08:54.05 | jnc | hm |
| 08:54.17 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: uhh... dont know... 1) dont remember... 2) I think different for each book.. |
| 08:54.23 | jnc | so i guess maybe the inclusion of a 'debian' directory in the source is how to do it? |
| 08:54.28 | sciboy | Grrraaa, i want my logitech quickcam to work! |
| 08:54.29 | deadcat | jnc: i use checkinstall to build .deb files. but i bet real DDs use fancy stuff |
| 08:54.30 | jnc | with the build description |
| 08:54.31 | jnc | oh |
| 08:54.42 | jnc | interesting |
| 08:55.09 | destiny_ | valdyn: how can I play streaming music from radio station wesbites? |
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| 08:55.21 | jnc | can i mask out certain packages? |
| 08:55.22 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ovaici.homelinux.com/private/EBooks |
| 08:55.32 | Coag | hmm |
| 08:55.37 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ok |
| 08:55.37 | Coag | i second destinys question |
| 08:55.39 | nkuttler | destiny_: try xmms |
| 08:55.39 | jnc | something i really enjoyed for Gentoo was the ability to run testing packages for just a few programs |
| 08:55.48 | Coag | what plugin would i need for xmms for shoutcast to work on it |
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| 08:55.58 | jnc | Coag: it should just work, no? |
| 08:56.00 | Coag | because it doesnt readily work with them |
| 08:56.02 | jnc | oh |
| 08:56.05 | pingouin_ | gentoo ?! the file browser ? |
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| 08:56.11 | pingouin_ | :) |
| 08:56.19 | jnc | pingouin_: no no, Gentoo Linux distro |
| 08:56.21 | pingouin_ | !start distro war |
| 08:56.29 | jnc | bah quit trolling |
| 08:56.34 | sciboy | I still can't get my Logitech Quickcam for Notebooks to work. |
| 08:56.35 | jnc | i'm asking a serious question |
| 08:56.38 | pingouin_ | :) |
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| 08:57.28 | destiny_ | nkuttler: when I try to install kaffeine, I get this error: kdelibs4: Depends: kdelibs-bin (= 4:3.3.2-7) but 4:3.3.2-2 is to be installed |
| 08:57.29 | destiny_ | E: Broken packages |
| 08:57.31 | soar | how do i have sound card number or ID in sarge? |
| 08:57.37 | jnc | is it readily possible to add only one or two packages that are experimental, and how? |
| 08:57.38 | destiny_ | nkuttler: any idea of a fix? |
| 08:57.44 | soar | cannot get it with dmesg |
| 08:57.53 | ftsac | jnc, lspci |
| 08:58.01 | jnc | i.e. would i be able to run sarge and then pull in a program or two from etch? |
| 08:58.12 | nkuttler | destiny_: that's not sarge, is it? |
| 08:58.15 | jnc | ftsac: sure you got the wrong tab complete? |
| 08:58.33 | destiny_ | nkuttler: sarge yes |
| 08:58.44 | nkuttler | jnc: at the moment probably not |
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| 08:59.06 | jnc | is that due to a limitation, or inherent in providing binary packages |
| 08:59.09 | sciboy | Work darn you! |
| 09:00.18 | Coag | well icant finda plugin to play shoutcast streams |
| 09:00.23 | jnc | i sort of enjoyed being able to mask out certain packages on my old Gentoo Linux box, so that when something new being developed was broken, i could mask it out from being installed, and it would be uninstalled + corrected |
| 09:00.34 | sciboy | Coag: To play shoutcast streams? |
| 09:00.35 | rfm | jnc: it's easier if everybody builds off a particular baseline. See www.backports.org |
| 09:00.42 | sciboy | Coag: Since when do you need a plugin for that? |
| 09:00.45 | nkuttler | jnc: /msg dpkg hold, /msg dpkg pinning, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:00.54 | Coag | sciboy, since it doesnt work |
| 09:01.04 | sciboy | Coag: What are you doing then? |
| 09:01.13 | Coag | adding the urls |
| 09:01.13 | jnc | Coag: http://bugs.xmms.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1131 |
| 09:01.21 | jnc | rfm: thanks |
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| 09:01.31 | jnc | oooh |
| 09:01.46 | sciboy | Graaahhh!!! Logitech Quickcam for Notebooks |
| 09:01.54 | jnc | okay, so using that sort of arrangement, would i be able to downgrade from etch back to sarge? |
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| 09:02.02 | jnc | i was told by Ubuntu devs this is impossible |
| 09:02.07 | jnc | it was rather shocking to hear |
| 09:02.08 | usn | hi folx |
| 09:02.29 | peterS | jnc: 'impossible' is a harsh word. 'unsupported, error-prone, and must be done manually' is more accurate |
| 09:02.32 | nkuttler | jnc: easier to reinstall |
| 09:02.32 | rfm | jnc: downgrading is always a horror. |
| 09:02.45 | Coag | wow nice eractions |
| 09:02.48 | jnc | : |
| 09:02.50 | ServerList | kdewebdev-3.4.1 needs kdelibs-3.4.1 right? can i install kdelibs-3.4.2 so that kdewebdev-3.4.1 gets installed too |
| 09:02.50 | Coag | reactions rather |
| 09:02.51 | jnc | :/ even |
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| 09:03.18 | jnc | okay |
| 09:03.21 | crispynix-v6 | jnc: not impossible, just a horribly painful PITA process. you'd be better off reinstalling. |
| 09:03.24 | Coag | ServerList, if you go through apt it should do dep's for you |
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| 09:03.33 | jnc | crispynix-v6: hm |
| 09:03.35 | nkuttler | jnc: well, you're not supposed to run testing, so there's no need for downgrades :) |
| 09:03.46 | liable | downgading may or most probably wont work, whereas installing again takes 20 mins.. |
| 09:03.47 | N-GaG3 | I hate windows. I want to come back to Debian. I dont know how. Help me. |
| 09:03.51 | sciboy | Bus 001 Device 008: ID 046d:08ae Logitech, Inc. |
| 09:04.07 | N-GaG3 | Debian is installed but no boot record. |
| 09:04.08 | jnc | nkuttler: features are added so often that i want to ry |
| 09:04.14 | liable | N-GaG3: come back? if you have run it before... |
| 09:04.14 | jnc | s/ry$/try |
| 09:04.48 | liable | N-GaG3: boot the install cd, or a rescue cd, install grub.. |
| 09:05.01 | rfm | jnc: so spend the $400 and buy another system, or find somebody who's giving one away. |
| 09:05.08 | jnc | N-GaG3: you might try the debian install cd; use its kernel, specify your root |
| 09:05.09 | Coag | all my 160 gigs are devoted to linux |
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| 09:05.14 | Coag | i no need windows :) |
| 09:05.20 | N-GaG3 | liable: I got the install disc but it doesnt install grub without formatting my current install. |
| 09:05.26 | jnc | rfm: that is silly |
| 09:05.40 | jnc | isn't it? |
| 09:05.42 | liable | N-GaG3: no, you need to get a shell, then do it from there. |
| 09:05.56 | thespiritoftal | how can i read news groups? |
| 09:05.57 | N-GaG3 | how do i get to the shell? |
| 09:06.22 | jnc | N-GaG3: like i was saying, use a debian net-install cd to get a compatible kernel |
| 09:06.24 | liable | N-GaG3: scroll to the bottom, execute shell, or ctrl+alt+F2 |
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| 09:06.37 | jnc | when it prompts ya, try linux26 root=/dev/hda1 |
| 09:06.41 | jnc | or whatever your rootfs it |
| 09:06.45 | jnc | s/it$/is/ |
| 09:06.51 | jahor | thespiritoftal: try some webclients like gmame or googlegroups or some client like slrn or gui based (from mozilla.org for example) |
| 09:07.01 | jnc | then once you're on the debian system and it's booted, run grub and install it from there |
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| 09:07.07 | N-GaG3 | liable: Ok...let me try |
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| 09:07.35 | jnc | N-GaG3: i'm sorry if the guidance i give is not step-by-step; i have run into your situation as you describe it, many many times |
| 09:07.40 | rfm | jnc: I don't think so. I've got a Pentium 166 MHz (!) system here that I keep on debian stable just so there's always something running. |
| 09:07.43 | jnc | it is hard to remember the process step by step |
| 09:08.15 | jnc | rfm: i am looking at an Apple Macintosh Color Classic running debian slink |
| 09:08.15 | rfm | jnc: so I can do weird stuff on everything else w/o worrying about being cut off from the world |
| 09:08.18 | Coag | rfm, is it possible to have a 60mhz machine running debian |
| 09:08.23 | liable | N-GaG3: you got a fast connection? |
| 09:08.23 | N-GaG3 | jnc: Thanks, i'll try. |
| 09:08.28 | jnc | rfm: so na na na i stick my tounge out at you |
| 09:08.31 | jnc | :P |
| 09:08.42 | Coag | i tried using the floppy netinstall method for install, but when i put int he root floppy it goes into a kernel panic |
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| 09:08.52 | jnc | Coag: my colour classic runs at 16mhz |
| 09:08.57 | jnc | bwahahah doom |
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| 09:09.18 | rfm | Coag: i'd think you'd need 64mb memory, and you don't wanna be running X, but otherwise ya |
| 09:09.29 | Coag | oh |
| 09:09.33 | jnc | pfft |
| 09:09.33 | Coag | i ahd 8 megs of ram |
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| 09:09.39 | Coag | onboard |
| 09:09.49 | peterS | Coag: 8 MB of RAM isn't enough to run the installer, these days |
| 09:09.53 | peterS | Coag: you need like 24 MB |
| 09:09.55 | Coag | because i didnt have any uhh SIMMs laying around |
| 09:10.02 | Coag | or DIMMS |
| 09:10.06 | jnc | Coag: you should consider though the cost of electricity |
| 09:10.06 | Coag | cant remember which it was |
| 09:10.07 | jnc | :) |
| 09:10.11 | Coag | heh |
| 09:10.17 | Coag | i thrrrew the hunk of junk out |
| 09:10.26 | peterS | SIMMs. that system wouldn't use DIMMs |
| 09:10.29 | Coag | and saved the processor as a keepsake |
| 09:10.34 | Coag | alright SIMMs |
| 09:10.37 | jnc | i was considering to throw out the Color Classic, it's too damn cute |
| 09:10.46 | rfm | coag: remember in 1987 ucbvax ran the whole west coast's email with 1MHz and what 8Mb ram? |
| 09:10.47 | Coag | heh |
| 09:10.49 | peterS | possibly even 30-pin SIMMs |
| 09:10.54 | Coag | yeah... it was a Packard Hell |
| 09:11.18 | Coag | rfm, before i was born :) |
| 09:11.29 | Coag | peterS, they were 72pin |
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| 09:11.46 | jnc | so uhhh.... are there any projects that add onto sarge? |
| 09:12.08 | jnc | i.e. add xyz repository and boom your computer is running the latest sound apps |
| 09:12.10 | jnc | or something |
| 09:12.14 | Stimz | :( boo, well I'm still stuck on blobbly 800-600 can we try the process again? |
| 09:12.23 | jnc | oooh |
| 09:12.35 | jnc | i have to ask if any of you all compile packages for multiple archs |
| 09:12.38 | rfm | jnc: certainly was the case last year when I was chasing sound apps |
| 09:12.43 | jnc | :) |
| 09:12.48 | jnc | good to know |
| 09:12.50 | Stimz | how do i change the xserver again? |
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| 09:13.04 | rfm | jnc: google is your friend |
| 09:13.04 | Stimz | dpkg-reconfigure xserver? |
| 09:13.23 | jnc | rfm: i could not find an easy method to build packages for multiple archs in one step |
| 09:13.24 | liable | Stimz: have you hand edited or run anything other than dpkg-reconfigure on it? |
| 09:13.27 | Coag | !drxx Stimz |
| 09:13.28 | dpkg | Stimz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 09:13.34 | jnc | if it's any more difficult than that, i won't bother |
| 09:13.35 | larsQ | Hello when i try to install gnome in unstable /version 2.10/ it says: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:13.35 | larsQ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.35 | larsQ | ... But if i try to do apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment it just gives me more depends... How can i fix this? |
| 09:13.56 | rfm | jnc: yeah, all I wanted was binaries that ran on what I have (i386) |
| 09:14.02 | liable | larsQ: you wait untill its fixed.. |
| 09:14.09 | Stimz | nothing else, I went into terminal and shutdown the computer pritty quick but I dont think that got in the way |
| 09:14.30 | larsQ | liable: other ppl can run gnome2.10 in debian? |
| 09:14.33 | jnc | larsQ: try aptitude (console apt interface) or synaptic (X11 apt interface) |
| 09:14.39 | liable | larsQ: dunno |
| 09:14.48 | jnc | aptitude and synaptic give you more info about what's going on |
| 09:14.59 | rfm | jnc: I suspect that if you want build-from-latest-source on many strange architectures Gentoo is better |
| 09:15.03 | jnc | sometimes they can reduce the problems |
| 09:15.13 | larsQ | jnc: okay ill try synapic sec. |
| 09:15.13 | jnc | rfm: heh |
| 09:15.22 | jnc | they seriously (Gentoo) need to ditch the python |
| 09:15.44 | liable | Stimz: if you look in /etc/X11/Xf86Config-4 does it show your resolutions you picked? |
| 09:16.08 | jnc | has X.Org been picked up for sarge in a common form? |
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| 09:16.15 | liable | no |
| 09:16.18 | jnc | okay |
| 09:16.22 | liable | theres backports though |
| 09:16.30 | jnc | i'm enjoying the evdev layer |
| 09:16.32 | larsQ | jnc: ehm wtf, when i run synapic as normal user it says i need to run it a root but when i run it at root i cant start it because im not running X as root |
| 09:16.42 | rfm | jnc: x.org is in sid |
| 09:16.44 | jnc | larsQ: i've seen that before |
| 09:16.58 | jnc | larsQ: try 'sudo synaptic' |
| 09:17.00 | liable | larsQ: when you start it as user, it should ask for root password.. |
| 09:17.06 | somePriest | Hi all, for a single user machine with nothing overly sensitive, is it worth going stable over testing? I like the latest goodies, primarily in things like Firefox and Gaim, but I can install from source and use the latest version of either right (in stable)? |
| 09:17.06 | jnc | presuming sudo is set up |
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| 09:17.15 | larsQ | liable: it doesnt. |
| 09:17.21 | larsQ | jnc: ok sec. |
| 09:17.24 | jnc | liable: gksu is messed up on new installs |
| 09:17.27 | jnc | haven't you noticed? |
| 09:17.35 | liable | i dont use it.. |
| 09:17.42 | jnc | guess not then. |
| 09:17.50 | jnc | it just needs some menu tweaking |
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| 09:18.02 | rfm | jnc: for a desktop/single user system with a clueful user running sid is perfectly reasonable |
| 09:18.08 | larsQ | jnc: didnt work, ill just try aptitude sec. |
| 09:18.20 | b0xy | someone help me with getting X to work on debian PPC? |
| 09:18.24 | jnc | rfm: sid is.... with X.org ? |
| 09:18.31 | jnc | i'm missing the segue |
| 09:18.37 | b0xy | I installed using apt-get install KDE |
| 09:18.46 | b0xy | then apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:18.52 | b0xy | I still get an error when i try to startx |
| 09:18.58 | Stimz | father I would recommend stable and then getting your googies packaged |
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| 09:19.07 | liable | b0xy: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 09:19.11 | rfm | jnc: sarge (stable) is still XF86; sid (unstable) has xorg |
| 09:19.30 | jnc | i keep forgetting the toystory references |
| 09:19.37 | liable | sid still has xfree. |
| 09:19.39 | larsQ | jnc: hmmm i dont quite understand how aptitude works. |
| 09:19.49 | b0xy | liable: after that i should be able to run startx and have it work ok? |
| 09:19.56 | sciboy | Graaahhh!!! Logitech Quickcam for Notebooks |
| 09:19.57 | jnc | larsQ: took me 2 weeks to figure out |
| 09:20.02 | liable | larsQ: use it on command line, s/apt-get/aptitude |
| 09:20.05 | jnc | larsQ: there is a help command though |
| 09:20.13 | liable | b0xy: yeah |
| 09:20.15 | seemawn | does anyone know: if i update from sarge to etch, can I reverse this at some time? |
| 09:20.22 | peterS | seemawn: no you can't |
| 09:20.28 | b0xy | liable: thanks. I'll update ya in about 30mins |
| 09:20.31 | peterS | downgrades are not supported |
| 09:20.32 | jnc | larsQ: more or less, you might use + to mark it for install, - to uninstall, then 'G' to activate |
| 09:20.36 | jnc | i think |
| 09:20.37 | seemawn | peterS: thx |
| 09:20.47 | liable | b0xy: dial-up? |
| 09:20.48 | peterS | jnc: 'g' not 'G' |
| 09:20.50 | seemawn | is it recommendable to install etch? |
| 09:20.52 | jnc | larsQ: if you got X11 running, synaptic is a better haul |
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| 09:20.56 | larsQ | jnc: aptitude install gnome comes with the same problem that apt-get did |
| 09:21.00 | rfm | liable: yes, sid has *both* xfree and xorg; uninstall xserver-xfree86 and install xserver-xorg |
| 09:21.02 | peterS | seemawn: not too much point at the moment |
| 09:21.06 | jnc | larsQ: ah, as peterS says |
| 09:21.22 | seemawn | peterS: did not understand |
| 09:21.22 | liable | rfm: no, if you install xorg, it removes xfree for you. |
| 09:21.23 | b0xy | liable: 30kb/s broadband :\ |
| 09:21.27 | jnc | oooh |
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| 09:21.34 | larsQ | jnc: ? |
| 09:21.36 | jnc | so ... the age old question |
| 09:21.45 | peterS | seemawn: etch doesn't give you anything useful except what's in sarge. so there's not much reason |
| 09:21.56 | N-GaG3 | liable: Ok i got at the shell. What do i do there ? |
| 09:21.58 | jnc | how to nuke ubuntu |
| 09:22.04 | jnc | and install debian in-place |
| 09:22.05 | N-GaG3 | lol |
| 09:22.07 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.08 | peterS | / \ |
| 09:22.13 | liable | heh |
| 09:22.20 | jnc | kaboom |
| 09:22.25 | seemawn | hmmm k |
| 09:22.31 | liable | now I see why thats in debstats.. |
| 09:22.43 | N-GaG3 | loool |
| 09:22.45 | N-GaG3 | liable: Ok i got at the shell. What do i do there ? |
| 09:22.47 | peterS | liable: ha! yes, that's why |
| 09:22.58 | peterS | liable: it's an old habit of mine |
| 09:22.58 | larsQ | jnc: what to do? |
| 09:23.01 | jnc | peterS: at this point etch != sid ? |
| 09:23.01 | rfm | liable: ok; I had a glich where aptitude wouldn't bring down xorg w/o me removing xfree86 first. probably just the particular config I was upgrading to. |
| 09:23.03 | liable | peterS: hehe |
| 09:23.03 | jnc | larsQ: oh |
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| 09:23.14 | jnc | larsQ: i don't quite know |
| 09:23.19 | peterS | jnc: yes, etch != sid |
| 09:23.21 | seemawn | even not kde? i mean, i use kde 3.3.2, is the kde i etch the same version? |
| 09:23.47 | liable | N-GaG3: try just running grub-install /dev/hda, but I think you may need to mount the / partition.. |
| 09:23.49 | seemawn | in |
| 09:23.50 | jnc | peterS: how does that work.... they hack on stuff and then spit it into etch occasionally? |
| 09:24.05 | peterS | jnc: something like that. it's more automated and less haphazard than you surmise |
| 09:24.12 | seemawn | etch contains sid-packages which are successfully tested in sid |
| 09:24.23 | jnc | peterS: Ubuntu's development cycle is basically hacking a live branch, Breezy at this point |
| 09:24.28 | tarzeau | seemawn: that's not true |
| 09:24.35 | jnc | so if you run Breezy, it breaks sometimes when big updates come in |
| 09:24.35 | peterS | jnc: yes I know. debian doesn't work that way |
| 09:24.41 | tarzeau | seemawn: they still can have major fucking problems that nobody notices |
| 09:24.44 | jnc | i don't think there is a "sid" parallel |
| 09:24.45 | jnc | ah okay |
| 09:24.50 | N-GaG3 | liable: Ok i'll try that... |
| 09:24.52 | liable | N-GaG3: actually, yeah, you'll need to mount and chroot.. |
| 09:24.55 | tarzeau | and hardly ever sid == testing |
| 09:25.00 | jnc | module-assistant is awesome |
| 09:25.00 | seemawn | ok, sry, they write that at the homepage |
| 09:25.02 | peterS | jnc: breezy is the ubunts' equivalent to sid. but the release process is very different |
| 09:25.19 | tarzeau | besides sid has the experimental antenna which testing doesn't |
| 09:25.26 | Coag | hmm |
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| 09:25.28 | Coag | python |
| 09:25.31 | rfm | got to admit I haven't figured out why ubuntu is useful |
| 09:25.39 | jnc | hey guys, peterS, thanks for being receptive and letting me bounce ideas off you all |
| 09:25.45 | peterS | rfm: it siphons off some of the newbies so we don't have to support them |
| 09:25.53 | peterS | rfm: since it's so much cooler than debian these days |
| 09:25.56 | Coag | jnc, that was all me |
| 09:26.06 | Coag | jnc, im da debian masta herre |
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| 09:26.27 | jnc | masta debianator |
| 09:26.33 | peterS | !Coag-- |
| 09:26.33 | Coag | oh yeahhhh |
| 09:26.34 | peterS | take that |
| 09:26.35 | peterS | masta |
| 09:26.35 | jnc | where is tapedrive connor |
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| 09:26.47 | Coag | omg i dont need your ++ anyways |
| 09:27.01 | Coag | does that actually do anything at all? O.O |
| 09:27.06 | peterS | !karma Coag |
| 09:27.07 | dpkg | coag has neutral karma |
| 09:27.10 | jnc | !karma jnc |
| 09:27.11 | dpkg | jnc has neutral karma |
| 09:27.19 | streuner | so no, Coag |
| 09:27.20 | jnc | apparently the goggles do nothing |
| 09:27.20 | Coag | !Coag ++ |
| 09:27.34 | larsQ | Does anybody know how to install gnome 2.10 on debian im running unstable but when i do apt-get install gnome it popups with depends on gnome-desktop-environment but when i try to install that package it just keeps going on with more and more depends. |
| 09:27.35 | Coag | oops space |
| 09:27.35 | liable | N-GaG3: mkdir rescue; mount /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part? /rescue; chroot /rescue; grub-install /dev/hda |
| 09:27.54 | jnc | gaah |
| 09:27.55 | jnc | devfs |
| 09:27.58 | jnc | die devfs die |
| 09:27.59 | streuner | that won't work, Coag ;-) |
| 09:28.09 | Coag | :( |
| 09:28.15 | Coag | streuner, make it work? :( |
| 09:28.32 | streuner | Coag: somebody else have to do it |
| 09:28.42 | Coag | you know you love me |
| 09:28.43 | peterS | Coag: 1) quit whining 2) stupid bot tricks are only amusing for so long, say 15 or 20 seconds |
| 09:28.59 | Coag | peterS, wow, whining? |
| 09:29.09 | peterS | yes |
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| 09:29.13 | sciboy | GREAT! I bought myself a unsupported device which i desperately needed to finish a project. =| |
| 09:29.21 | Coag | show me where i whined please? |
| 09:29.32 | peterS | Coag: you're still doing it |
| 09:29.40 | jnc | sciboy: nuts to your unsupported device |
| 09:29.41 | jnc | what is it |
| 09:29.47 | sciboy | Whining is my job. |
| 09:29.51 | Coag | i got one |
| 09:29.53 | peterS | jnc: he's got a logitech camera of some sort |
| 09:29.54 | Coag | WMP54G |
| 09:30.00 | sciboy | jnc: Logitech Quickcam for Notebooks |
| 09:30.10 | jnc | sciboy: no qce-ga loving? |
| 09:30.16 | rfm | larsQ: so, like run aptitude dist-upgrade and get up to date generally |
| 09:30.22 | jnc | sciboy: qce-ga.sf.net |
| 09:30.41 | jnc | btw a disposable camera would do the trick |
| 09:30.44 | sciboy | jnc: No pwc loving either |
| 09:30.45 | larsQ | rfm: okay its running |
| 09:30.56 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:30.56 | dpkg | methinks qotd126 is <helios> sorry for my english: I was rushing on my prompt (silly me!) and just stopped in time an "rm -rf /etc"...but I deleted all /etc/init* files and dirs <asg> helios: restore from backups. <helios> asg, backups? |
| 09:31.01 | Coag | when will *nix like the linksys WMP54G? |
| 09:31.19 | sciboy | jnc: Even though pwc supports compatible devices. |
| 09:31.23 | peterS | Coag: soon as you get busy on the necessary hardware hacking |
| 09:31.24 | larsQ | rfm: should i just try to install gnome again when its done? |
| 09:31.32 | jnc | sciboy: nuts to your compatible devices as well |
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| 09:31.47 | Coag | right away capitan |
| 09:31.48 | jnc | walnuts. great gazeebo nuts :( |
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| 09:32.04 | peterS | walnuts are overrated |
| 09:32.07 | rfm | larsQ: if you had gnome before then dist-upgrade should get you to 2.10 |
| 09:32.17 | larsQ | rfm: i didnt. |
| 09:32.17 | sciboy | jnc: I'm sure with tweaking this device would work with pwc, but its going to take a while. |
| 09:32.27 | larsQ | rfm: / i dont have gnome atm |
| 09:32.35 | sciboy | jnc: And i majorly screwed windows. |
| 09:32.45 | jnc | sciboy: i would suggest returning it and purchasing in its place compatible hardware, non? |
| 09:32.47 | sciboy | jnc: It doesn't even boot up after what i did to it. |
| 09:32.50 | jnc | okay |
| 09:33.03 | jnc | at the point which 'windows' enters the conversation, i gracefully exit said conversation |
| 09:33.06 | jnc | thanks ;) |
| 09:33.15 | sciboy | Heh. |
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| 09:34.38 | rfm | larsq: yikes. been too long. yeah, just try to install the gnome packages. |
| 09:35.03 | liable | peterS: how bout this.. |
| 09:35.04 | larsQ | ehm? |
| 09:35.05 | liable | lol |
| 09:35.08 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:35.12 | liable | bah |
| 09:35.22 | liable | wont work... |
| 09:35.31 | larsQ | rfm: thats what ive been doing? |
| 09:35.43 | liable | but you may get the idea... |
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| 09:35.49 | liable | :) |
| 09:36.12 | rfm | larsq: yeah; just let it drag in all the dependent packages. it knows better than you or I.... |
| 09:36.24 | jnc | swapon -s |
| 09:36.24 | jnc | /dev/sda5 partition 2996080 17784 -1 |
| 09:36.29 | jnc | um |
| 09:36.31 | jnc | is it me |
| 09:36.37 | b0xy | uh... apt-get install x-window-system is frozen on xfonts-75dpi |
| 09:36.40 | jnc | or do i have a 2 *GiB* swap? |
| 09:36.42 | b0xy | is that normal |
| 09:36.54 | liable | um, no |
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| 09:37.01 | peterS | jnc: grep sda5 /proc/partitions |
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| 09:37.03 | peterS | jnc: to verify |
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| 09:37.15 | jnc | jnc@baker:~$ grep sda5 /proc/partitions 8 5 2996091 sda5 |
| 09:37.27 | mortalman | Does sarge have any good html WYSIWYGs ? |
| 09:37.31 | jnc | well geeze, i was wondering how i might blow off ubuntu |
| 09:37.32 | peterS | jnc: sounds like 3 GB to me |
| 09:37.39 | jnc | looks like i nuke the swap partition |
| 09:37.44 | jnc | install debian there |
| 09:37.44 | streuner | mortalman: composer |
| 09:37.51 | jnc | or something |
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| 09:37.55 | TK-1 | morning all |
| 09:37.56 | liable | mortalman: nvu is easy, but not in sarge, but you can get it .. |
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| 09:38.50 | peterS | jnc: ha |
| 09:39.03 | b0xy | how to unfreeze apt-get |
| 09:39.04 | b0xy | ? |
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| 09:39.22 | jnc | do i have to worry much about debian-installer overwriting files on an existing partition regardless of menu option chosen, or was that bug fixed? |
| 09:39.46 | peterS | hmmm, I found the perfect quote for #debian. from the song "Your Own Sweet Way" by Knopfler |
| 09:39.59 | _-^-_Colt_-^-_ | Hi, i have problem installing a debian with VIA VT8237 RAID Controller. Can anyone help me? |
| 09:40.00 | peterS | "It doesn't matter what I say or what I do or what I think / You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" |
| 09:40.22 | peterS | _-^-_Colt_-^-_: dude, fix your nick, that's atrocious |
| 09:40.29 | jnc | really |
| 09:40.31 | peterS | _-^-_Colt_-^-_: beyond that, make sure you boot the 2.6 kernel at the Boot: prompt |
| 09:40.35 | jnc | that nick is sort of ... bad jones |
| 09:40.48 | jnc | !nf1++ |
| 09:40.49 | nf1 | Hi, i have problem installing a debian with VIA VT8237 RAID Controller. Can anyone help me? |
| 09:40.49 | jnc | thanks |
| 09:41.00 | dsteuber | Hello. I'm trying to install the RFC docs on Sarge, but they do not show up in apt-cache search. How can I fix this? Is there a place where I can show you the contents of /etc/apt/sources.lst to make sure it is complete? |
| 09:41.01 | peterS | nf1: better. now at the Boot: prompt if you hit F3 you can see various alternative boot commands |
| 09:41.03 | jnc | nf1: which installer are ya using |
| 09:41.09 | peterS | nf1: one of these is 'linux26' to boot the installer with a 2.6 kernel |
| 09:41.15 | nf1 | Sarge |
| 09:41.24 | jnc | highly reccommend using the linux26 kernel from installer |
| 09:41.32 | nf1 | I use the linux26 netcfg/disable_dhcp=true command |
| 09:41.40 | jnc | hmm |
| 09:41.41 | peterS | nf1: the 2.6.8 kernel, I think, supports the VIA SATA controllers. this is sata you're talking about? the 2.4 kernels don't. |
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| 09:41.58 | nf1 | I can see the hdd in the partiotioning menu but after the setup |
| 09:41.59 | jnc | nf1: does knoppix support it? |
| 09:42.17 | nf1 | when I boot the debian it says "fsck.ext3: no such device or address" |
| 09:42.29 | jnc | ooh |
| 09:42.31 | jnc | hey i got a question |
| 09:42.36 | peterS | ehh. that's not good. this stuff should happen more or less automatically |
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| 09:42.47 | jnc | are SATA connected optical drives supported by debian installer for net install sarge? |
| 09:42.50 | jnc | heh heh |
| 09:42.56 | raboof | if apt knows about a package, is there a way to tell from which sources.list line it came? |
| 09:43.02 | peterS | jnc: oughta be. try it, I'm not sure if it actually works |
| 09:43.13 | peterS | jnc: but why would you connect an optical drive to a sata port? (: |
| 09:43.23 | jnc | peterS: it's a plextor 712SA |
| 09:43.28 | jnc | i.e. that's how it's built |
| 09:43.28 | jnc | ;) |
| 09:43.30 | rfm | I think 2.4.27 supports most SATA but not RAID modes, mostly the SATA "hardware" RAID is hopeless in Linux as far as I know. |
| 09:43.32 | nf1 | So anyone have an idea about my problem? |
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| 09:43.51 | Jussi | raboof: apt-cache policy might help you |
| 09:43.55 | dsteuber | Does Sarge have the RFCs? |
| 09:44.10 | jnc | peterS: it actually burns CDs and DVDs pretty nicely on the Ubuntu install i have |
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| 09:44.17 | peterS | dsteuber: the RFCs are published under a non-free license that doesn't let you copy and paste them into independent documents. so quite possibly sarge doesn't |
| 09:44.23 | jnc | i'm hoping that this will function once transitioned back to Debian |
| 09:44.50 | dsteuber | Even if I have the non-free in my sources.lst? |
| 09:45.11 | peterS | dsteuber: look for the 'doc-rfc*' series of packages. |
| 09:45.33 | dsteuber | apt-cache search comes up blank on doc-rfc |
| 09:45.38 | peterS | the RFC collection is split into quite a number of them |
| 09:45.57 | peterS | dsteuber: yeah, they're in non-free at this end |
| 09:46.06 | peterS | dsteuber: but I'm using unstable so shrug. check http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 09:46.16 | peterS | or specifically packages.debian.org/doc-rfc |
| 09:46.19 | jnc | peterS: how is unstable treating you |
| 09:46.22 | yang | Which is a good simple tool for measuring disk speed (for old disks) |
| 09:46.35 | jnc | yang: well, hdparm -t could do some simple tests |
| 09:46.35 | peterS | jnc: I know what I'm doing so unstable treats me well. I can fix anything it breaks too badly |
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| 09:47.06 | jnc | peterS: can i ask ya real quick, which version of evolution mail program is current? |
| 09:47.07 | peterS | dsteuber: yeah, looks like it's been readded to unstable - not in sarge |
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| 09:47.13 | peterS | jnc: no clue |
| 09:47.16 | jnc | that's the last thing on my todo list before i start the switch |
| 09:47.17 | jnc | hm |
| 09:47.21 | HyperStream | whats the easyest setup to play DVB-T cards? like its installed. just what application to view the stream? |
| 09:47.28 | jnc | thanks though |
| 09:47.30 | peterS | jnc: http://packages.debian.org/evolution would know |
| 09:47.40 | dsteuber | peterS: So how do I get them installed? |
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| 09:48.08 | peterS | dsteuber: you have to suck 'em down from unstable. simplest way might be to surf to packages.debian.org/doc-rfc, follow links, download *.deb files, install them with 'dpkg -i' |
| 09:48.21 | peterS | dsteuber: the other way is to add unstable to your sources.list and play around with installing crap and then putting it back |
| 09:48.29 | knj | How do I remove Apache2 and PHP5 completely from my system, so I can be sure to get a clean reinstall? I want to remove all packages which were installed with them. |
| 09:48.35 | N-GaG3 | liable: It sats cant * Now talking in #bss |
| 09:48.35 | N-GaG3 | * Topic is 'No Topic No Tension aHo' |
| 09:48.35 | N-GaG3 | * Set by Zamarakha on Fri Aug 19 18:01:51 |
| 09:48.37 | N-GaG3 | oops :S |
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| 09:48.40 | jnc | knj: look for the 'purge' option |
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| 09:48.44 | N-GaG3 | sorry |
| 09:48.49 | peterS | knj: aptitude remove --purge apache2 php5 |
| 09:49.06 | peterS | knj: assuming you used aptitude to install them, that ought to get rid of other stuff that came along for the ride |
| 09:49.11 | peterS | knj: if you didn't ... it won't |
| 09:49.18 | dsteuber | peterS: I see. Is there a Debian Policy reason why they would be in unstable but not in Sarge? |
| 09:49.50 | peterS | dsteuber: I'd assume they were removed from sarge before release because they were non-free. then not moved to the non-free section until too late to make the sarge release deadlines |
| 09:50.45 | dsteuber | Is it too late for Debian to move non-free stuff into non-free? |
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| 09:50.59 | peterS | dsteuber: it's been moved. I told you. it's in unstable. |
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| 09:51.08 | yang | hdparm Get/set hard disk parameters for Linux IDE drives. - I have scsi disk |
| 09:51.14 | dsteuber | I mean sarge's non-free. |
| 09:51.15 | N-GaG3 | jnc: It says it cant mount the root partition when i do "linux26 root=/dev/hda" at boot. tried hda1, 2, 3 |
| 09:51.17 | N-GaG3 | nothing :/ |
| 09:51.27 | peterS | dsteuber: it's too late to change *anything* about sarge, except very critical fixes like security patches |
| 09:51.30 | jnc | try 4 and 5 |
| 09:51.36 | peterS | dsteuber: you should have asked about this a year ago |
| 09:51.45 | jnc | N-GaG3: which one should it be? |
| 09:51.53 | jnc | primary slave partition 2? |
| 09:51.54 | jnc | or what |
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| 09:51.59 | AciD | is there a way to chroot to a lvm partition from a livecd boot ? I broke my mbr yesterday trying to replace the default debian mbr manager lilo to grub, but I can't find a way to mount my lvm volumes |
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| 09:52.07 | N-GaG3 | I tried them all. It doesnt mount it at any; hda, hda1, hda2, hda3 |
| 09:52.08 | dsteuber | Damn me for not thinking a year ahead. |
| 09:52.19 | jnc | AciD: yeaaah, you'll need a special initrd, or the lvm tools |
| 09:52.20 | aum | hi - how do i set bash so consecutive repeated commands aren't repeated in the up-arrow-recall? |
| 09:52.35 | peterS | dsteuber: btw, I was wrong about the timetable, which was of course only a guess anyway. it seems the doc-rfc series of packages was already in non-free for the past few years. it was removed from sarge for some other reason, which I do not know yet |
| 09:52.49 | rfm | knj: that's a really hard question. what you want is to remove everything that is used only by Apache2 and PHP but not anything else. To answer that question one would have to know everything else you want the system to have. |
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| 09:53.07 | jnc | AciD: hunt around for the "recovery is possible" rescue cd |
| 09:53.16 | peterS | dsteuber: ahhh, it's because they were considered too buggy. which is a bit weird considering what the bug was/is. http://bugs.debian.org/287224 |
| 09:53.20 | dsteuber | I seem to be having trouble with the web site also not finding them. |
| 09:53.24 | AciD | ok thx jnc |
| 09:53.40 | dsteuber | Text files with bugs? That's a new one to me. |
| 09:53.42 | jnc | aum: good question, it's a funky option hang on |
| 09:53.53 | dsteuber | Next thing you know, Microsoft will find a way to patent a text file. |
| 09:53.57 | yang | Which is a good simple tool for measuring disk speed (for old disks) SCSI |
| 09:54.01 | jnc | aum: export HISTCONTROL=ignoredups |
| 09:54.05 | dsteuber | Oh wait, they already have. |
| 09:54.05 | rfm | knj: your best bet is to scroll down the list of installed packages in aptitude and ask it to remove anything you think is suspcious. it will then tell you what else will have to go, and you can decide if that's ok. |
| 09:54.09 | jnc | aum: look at your ~/.bashrc, man |
| 09:54.17 | aum | jnc: you're a legend - thx |
| 09:54.28 | rfm | dsteuber: hey, IBM patented the text cursor |
| 09:54.30 | larsQ | jnc: lol apt-get install gnome-core fixed it all. |
| 09:54.35 | jnc | whoo! |
| 09:54.39 | jnc | congrats larsQ |
| 09:54.44 | peterS | dsteuber: read the URL I just gave you. the point is that the RFC collection was deemed too old to be particularly useful, since standards are superceded by new RFCs all the time |
| 09:54.54 | larsQ | jnc: thanks but damn wierd |
| 09:54.56 | thespiritoftal | how can i install tcl? |
| 09:55.22 | jnc | thespiritoftal: it's not called just tcl, there's like tcl8.3 or something |
| 09:55.30 | jnc | thespiritoftal: you could try apt-cache search ^tcl |
| 09:55.43 | peterS | dsteuber: also, jvw (who is on this channel, though inactive) expressed doubt that there's any point in having the RFCs in the debian archive at all. presumably because everyone who needs them can just read the 3000 web sites that mirror them |
| 09:55.53 | tarzeau | has someone got an ov511 based webcam? |
| 09:55.57 | dsteuber | I see. So not all the RFCs are even being kept up with. |
| 09:56.02 | b0xy | rebooted and finished apt-get install x-window-system |
| 09:56.03 | b0xy | works fine |
| 09:56.04 | jnc | tarzeau: not i |
| 09:56.07 | b0xy | thanks liable |
| 09:56.14 | peterS | dsteuber: the package was last updated over 2 years ago. a lot of RFCs have been written since then |
| 09:56.28 | dsteuber | Right, RFCs are added every year. |
| 09:56.38 | dsteuber | Especially in the month of April. |
| 09:56.47 | dsteuber | On or about the 1st of that month ;-) |
| 09:56.58 | peterS | dsteuber: yeah. RFC 4042 is the best ever |
| 09:57.15 | dsteuber | I liked the Avian protocol myself. |
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| 09:57.41 | peterS | dsteuber: that was good too, but it's wearing pretty thin since everyone always refers to it any time any odd network arrangements are ever discussed |
| 09:57.42 | dsteuber | Actually, what I want is old enough to be an STD. |
| 09:57.44 | slackd00d | anyone know of any howtos on getting svideo out working with sid and a sis vidcard |
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| 09:57.52 | peterS | dsteuber: wear a condom |
| 09:58.05 | dsteuber | Will shorewall do? |
| 09:58.09 | peterS | maybe |
| 09:58.23 | peterS | oh, you said old enough to *be* an STD, not old enough to *have* an STD |
| 09:59.06 | dsteuber | I want to implement a telnet daemon. Up to date RFCs along with the STDs would have the info I need to do that. |
| 09:59.35 | peterS | dsteuber: yeah, TELNET has not changed all that much in 20 years, I guess |
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| 09:59.47 | dsteuber | Being the lazy sort, I had hoped to just download the entire lot of them and see what I needed from that. |
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| 10:00.24 | xoz | especially that telnet is no longer popular with the introduction of ssh |
| 10:00.32 | peterS | dsteuber: in the time we've been discussing this you could have followed those links and downloaded all the doc-rfc-* packages and installed them and you'd be halfway through reading RFC 854 by now |
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| 10:00.38 | DsOft23 | hiya |
| 10:00.42 | dsteuber | I've been told that telnet is more complicated than I think it is though so I want to make sure I get all the related specs. |
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| 10:00.47 | peterS | xoz: who says? I use it frequently |
| 10:00.51 | DsOft23 | can anyone tell me how to fix a "clock screw" ? |
| 10:01.12 | rfm | DsOft23: got a screwdriver? |
| 10:01.15 | DsOft23 | it seems that my hardware clock is crazy |
| 10:01.16 | peterS | dsteuber: clock skew, you probably mean. install 'ntpdate' and, if you really want, 'ntp-simple' |
| 10:01.21 | xoz | peterS: you say a lot of things. i say one and you disagree? |
| 10:01.39 | peterS | xoz: life isn't fair, is it? |
| 10:01.41 | DsOft23 | in my ibook, all that i do say "is in the future" |
| 10:01.48 | xoz | peterS: hehe |
| 10:02.08 | peterS | !xoz++ # telnet considered harmful |
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| 10:02.28 | DsOft23 | but, if i dont have inet always, i cant use ntpdate always |
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| 10:02.32 | rfm | DsOft23: running debian on an ibook? tell us more |
| 10:02.56 | peterS | xoz: you always use STARTTLS for smtp? |
| 10:02.58 | DsOft23 | there are so much information about that. debian on ppc :) |
| 10:03.07 | DsOft23 | but i cant find anything about that |
| 10:03.09 | xoz | pgp |
| 10:03.12 | DsOft23 | the "clock screw" |
| 10:03.25 | dsteuber | Ugh. I was searching in the wrong form which is why I came up craps. |
| 10:03.50 | peterS | gee. RFC 854 is even cowritten by ... Postel. quel surprise. |
| 10:03.53 | jnc | uhhh |
| 10:03.56 | N-GaG3 | I cant boot into my debian installation :S |
| 10:03.58 | rfm | DsOft23: I think the clock screw is on the bottom side near the power connector. You may need a Torx driver for it. |
| 10:03.59 | nkuttler | peterS: i don't think !name++ comment works |
| 10:04.04 | jnc | is ia64 compiled to be optimized for Intel? I run AMD |
| 10:04.16 | peterS | nkuttler: it can be enabled and disabled. I don't know which bots have it enabled these days |
| 10:04.17 | jnc | i'm referring to the Debian Sarge release |
| 10:04.29 | peterS | jnc: AMD does not produce any ia64 chips |
| 10:04.39 | DsOft23 | what?? power conector? |
| 10:04.40 | jnc | okay, didn't think so |
| 10:04.49 | peterS | jnc: they ship i386 chips and amd64 chips |
| 10:04.52 | DsOft23 | its config problem |
| 10:05.05 | jnc | peterS: i'm not seeing the amd64 option for the Official netinst images |
| 10:05.10 | xoz | peterS: why use telnet instead of ssh? |
| 10:05.12 | jnc | peterS: a little help/advice? |
| 10:05.17 | peterS | jnc: it's not official. see http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64 |
| 10:05.20 | jnc | ah |
| 10:05.31 | peterS | jnc: the amd64 port will official Any Day Now. but it didn't make the sarge release |
| 10:05.32 | N-GaG3 | omg i installed windows after debian and now im pwnd, cant login :/ |
| 10:05.32 | jnc | thanks 1*10^6 |
| 10:05.57 | peterS | xoz: most mail servers I contact in order to verify addresses, for example, don't look kindly upon ssh clients talking to port 25 |
| 10:06.09 | peterS | np, jnc |
| 10:06.36 | peterS | xoz: same goes for web servers I talk to manually as a quick way to look at HTTP headers |
| 10:06.39 | xoz | peterS: well, that's a different story/context |
| 10:07.10 | peterS | xoz: indeed, pop3 servers don't usually speak ssh either |
| 10:07.27 | xoz | peterS: is that what telnet is all about? it main use? |
| 10:07.39 | peterS | xoz: it's what I use it for. testing network servers interactively |
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| 10:08.05 | liable | N-GaG3: whats up? |
| 10:08.07 | peterS | xoz: if I wanted to run something faster than ssh on my internal network I'd use rsh / rexec |
| 10:08.25 | peterS | as opposed to telnet, I mean |
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| 10:09.21 | DsOft23 | whats the diference betwen ntp and ntp-simple? |
| 10:09.28 | noux | hi all ! when I try to launch quake III arena I receive this error "X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 10:09.28 | noux | " |
| 10:09.50 | N-GaG3 | liable: The shell i get into is useless, wont recognize any command. doing "linux26 root=/dev/hda" says it cant mount the root fd and stuff. Tried hda, hda1, hda2, hda3 :/ |
| 10:09.52 | peterS | DsOft23: there are multiple NTP servers. you want the simple one, the one that doesn't have fancy options for interfacing with a local atomic clock and whatnot |
| 10:10.14 | liable | N-GaG3: did you do what I said? |
| 10:10.15 | peterS | N-GaG3: hda5 and hda6 are common. don't stop at 3 |
| 10:10.21 | Guerin | grrr, i have vsftpd set to allow precisely ONE local user, his shell is /bin/false - check_shells=NO, but i put /bin/false into /etc/shells anyway. When i log in with this user, i get Login failed: 500 OOPS: cannot change directory:/data3/ftp |
| 10:10.26 | peterS | N-GaG3: which, due credit, liable mentioned earlier |
| 10:10.29 | DsOft23 | oki, thx |
| 10:10.31 | N-GaG3 | ok :| |
| 10:10.38 | liable | N-GaG3: run fdisk -l from it, find what your / is on.. |
| 10:10.41 | Guerin | other local users with valid shells can log in fine |
| 10:11.02 | noux | hi all ! when I try to launch quake III arena I receive this error "X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)" |
| 10:11.02 | peterS | Guerin: so does /data3/ftp exist? |
| 10:11.05 | jnc | i think someone needs to take N-GaG3 to privmsg and do a walkthrough |
| 10:11.13 | peterS | Guerin: with read/execute permission for the user in question? |
| 10:11.22 | N-GaG3 | k |
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| 10:11.28 | peterS | jnc: did you just volunteer? I know I didn't (: |
| 10:11.37 | jnc | come on peterS, pick |
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| 10:12.07 | Guerin | peterS: bah, it's /data3/share/ftp |
| 10:12.08 | Gadicath | what's the package that's used to verify if the deb is trusted? |
| 10:12.08 | Guerin | my bad |
| 10:12.13 | peterS | (: |
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| 10:12.32 | peterS | Gadicath: the deb itself can't be verified at present - they aren't individually signed |
| 10:12.56 | peterS | Gadicath: the *source* can be authenticated - the archive itself, including all debs it contains at present. that's what apt version 0.6 and recent aptitude can do |
| 10:13.04 | jnc | Gadicath: apt- uh... i forgot |
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| 10:13.25 | jnc | Gadicath: apt-key maybe? |
| 10:13.51 | N-GaG3 | meh...fdisk: command not found |
| 10:14.11 | peterS | N-GaG3: the cool kids use cfdisk instead |
| 10:14.20 | N-GaG3 | k :/ |
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| 10:14.34 | liable | bah, for seeing table.. |
| 10:14.34 | jnc | r33t h4x0rz use sfdisk |
| 10:14.36 | jnc | ;) |
| 10:14.56 | Fabsmad | I've installed apache 1.3 on a debian sys. |
| 10:15.05 | noux | when I try to launch quake III arena I receive this error "X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)" can someone indicate me the right way to search in ? |
| 10:15.07 | Fabsmad | the doc root is, as usual, var/www |
| 10:15.11 | N-GaG3 | cfdisk: command not found :\ |
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| 10:15.15 | Lanix | lexmark 515 ... can it be configure to work under deb ? |
| 10:15.19 | Fabsmad | as a normal user I cannot save on that folder any data |
| 10:15.31 | Gadicath | jnc I'm just trying to get rid of the constant warnings when installing packages |
| 10:15.34 | Fabsmad | Is there a way to get permissions on writing there without using "chown user /var/www"? |
| 10:15.57 | peterS | Lanix: check linuxprinting.org |
| 10:16.13 | jnc | Gadicath: use the force (of a good steel toed boot to the hard drive) |
| 10:16.25 | jnc | "THESE ARE NOT THE GPG KEYS YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, MOVE ALONG" |
| 10:16.34 | Gadicath | jnc: nah, these are about untrusted sources |
| 10:16.38 | jnc | :) |
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| 10:17.07 | peterS | Gadicath: it's ok to install random debs linked from #debian or slashdot. no harm will ever come to you. trust the fungus. |
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| 10:17.16 | Sityu | hello |
| 10:17.28 | tarzeau | peterS: you don't trust my debs? |
| 10:17.35 | Gadicath | peterS: yeah, I just want to figure out which package is causing these warning mesasges so I can get rid of it. |
| 10:17.57 | noux | ok I stop floodinh |
| 10:18.01 | noux | *g |
| 10:18.09 | peterS | Gadicath: occasionally you'll get a false positive as aptitude downloads from a mirror whose Release.gpg file isn't up to date. then all the packages fail to verify |
| 10:18.25 | Gadicath | nah, that's not the problem |
| 10:18.26 | liable | N-GaG3: you have no idea what partition your / is on? |
| 10:18.34 | peterS | Gadicath: anyway, if you open aptitude and browse the packages, you can see a "U" signalling any package from an untrusted source |
| 10:18.56 | Gadicath | debsums is what it was |
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| 10:19.12 | TK-1 | whats the command to restart vsftpd any1? |
| 10:19.14 | Fabsmad | I cannot put files on my web server folder. Only root can do this. Is there a way to get w permissions without using "chown user /var/www"? |
| 10:19.14 | Gadicath | or not |
| 10:19.15 | N-GaG3 | tried all upto hda6, nothing :/ |
| 10:19.25 | TK-1 | service vsftpd restart ant workin |
| 10:19.25 | N-GaG3 | it just says unknown root device or something like that |
| 10:19.32 | Fabsmad | I'm using apache and debian |
| 10:19.36 | tarzeau | TK-1: /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart |
| 10:19.45 | TK-1 | cheers |
| 10:19.52 | tarzeau | Fabsmad: what says id and ls -lad /var/www ? |
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| 10:20.10 | tarzeau | Fabsmad: what about public_html in your home? |
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| 10:20.12 | flexy | I have got the wlan working, but how can I get it more automatic, without the need for command line commands? |
| 10:20.20 | Gadicath | "Install these packages without verification" is the crap I'm getting. Any suggestions which package might be tying in to apt to do that? |
| 10:20.44 | liable | flexy: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 10:20.45 | Fabsmad | drwxr-xr-- 2 fabio www-data 4096 2005-08-20 11:56 /var/www |
| 10:20.54 | Fabsmad | drwxrwxr-- 2 root www-data 4096 2005-08-20 11:56 /var/www |
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| 10:21.15 | tarzeau | Fabsmad: and "id" ? |
| 10:21.20 | N-GaG3 | liable: :A |
| 10:21.47 | liable | N-GaG3: thats not a partition. |
| 10:22.02 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:22.02 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 10:22.06 | megabit | Hi. Can you help me? I have got debian sarge and I want sid. How can I do it? |
| 10:22.08 | noux | please help me ... |
| 10:22.12 | noux | or tell me where to search |
| 10:22.14 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 10:22.14 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 10:22.16 | peterS | Fabsmad: you don't want r-- on a directory. it's nonsensical. you want either r-x or --- |
| 10:22.17 | tarzeau | megabit: read that first |
| 10:22.21 | jnc | noux: what do ya need |
| 10:22.29 | flexy | liable: OK, I'll look into that, thanks :) |
| 10:22.38 | noux | jnc X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) I've this error while I'm launching Q3 |
| 10:22.56 | liable | N-GaG3: how many partitions/os's you have on the drive? |
| 10:22.58 | jnc | noux: i'm asking you, what do you need |
| 10:23.03 | jnc | not what the error message is |
| 10:23.03 | Fabsmad | tarzeau: I solved the problem with chown...but I think is non secure... |
| 10:23.06 | N-GaG3 | liable: WinXP and Debian |
| 10:23.08 | noux | jnc, where to search to solve the problem |
| 10:23.23 | tarzeau | Fabsmad: do you have other users ? you should've done adduser fabsmad www-data |
| 10:23.32 | tarzeau | Fabsmad: undo the chown, and logoug login after the adduser |
| 10:23.38 | Fabsmad | no no other users |
| 10:23.38 | jnc | noux: err, .. |
| 10:23.46 | jnc | noux: you mentioned some kind of game |
| 10:23.53 | jnc | does the vendor have an idea of what the trouble is? |
| 10:23.56 | megabit | Thanks |
| 10:24.01 | liable | N-GaG3: when you put debian on, it went all on one partition? |
| 10:24.02 | noux | jnc, quake III |
| 10:24.04 | Fabsmad | how can I use adduser |
| 10:24.12 | tarzeau | Fabsmad: that adduser command will add you to the www-data group |
| 10:24.12 | peterS | Fabsmad: just type it |
| 10:24.18 | tarzeau | Fabsmad: you should've done adduser fabsmad www-data |
| 10:24.19 | N-GaG3 | liable: Yeah I made a seperate partition for it, 8GB |
| 10:24.21 | Fabsmad | I have root and fabio now |
| 10:24.22 | liable | N-GaG3: can you remember if it was a primary partition? |
| 10:24.32 | N-GaG3 | primary, yes i think |
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| 10:24.41 | tarzeau | Fabsmad: adduser fabio www-data |
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| 10:24.51 | jnc | noux: i'd imagine others ran into that problem and documented the solution on an ID forum |
| 10:24.54 | jnc | no? |
| 10:25.01 | james_ | Is there a way to get 'as' to use AT&T syntax? |
| 10:25.04 | tarzeau | Fabsmad: and don't forget apt-get install popularity-contest |
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| 10:25.15 | peterS | james_: it always uses AT&T syntax unless you tell it otherwise |
| 10:25.16 | Fabsmad | but fabio has www-data as group yet |
| 10:25.21 | liable | N-GaG3: ok, did you see that command I gave you before? |
| 10:25.26 | tarzeau | Fabsmad: since just right now or for days? |
| 10:25.28 | N-GaG3 | fdisk -l ? |
| 10:25.33 | tarzeau | Fabsmad: he needs to login that it takes effect |
| 10:25.33 | liable | no |
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| 10:25.35 | peterS | james_: and only semi-recent versions of binutils even *support* intel syntax |
| 10:25.42 | Fabsmad | what is popularity-contest |
| 10:25.46 | liable | N-GaG3: can I /msg? |
| 10:25.46 | MustangMatt | Okay what's wrong with this picture: http://pastebin.com/341516 |
| 10:25.47 | tarzeau | Fabsmad: spyware |
| 10:25.48 | Fabsmad | ? |
| 10:25.51 | N-GaG3 | anytime :) |
| 10:25.57 | peterS | Fabsmad: 'apt-cache show popularity-contest' or http://popcon.debian.org |
| 10:26.13 | MustangMatt | My md0 array should be 146.52 gb but the actual space available is 1.8 gb. Where did I go wrong? |
| 10:26.26 | peterS | MustangMatt: too much pr0n |
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| 10:26.33 | MustangMatt | peterS: Emptry drive |
| 10:26.41 | jnc | MustangMatt: not enough pr0n |
| 10:26.52 | MustangMatt | peterS: The total size available reported by df is 2.3 gb |
| 10:26.58 | jnc | seriously though, ... |
| 10:27.07 | peterS | MustangMatt: possibly something about use of lba48 on an old kernel that doesn't support it. this is unlikely though |
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| 10:27.18 | MustangMatt | peterS: This is a fresh sarge install. |
| 10:27.20 | jnc | MustangMatt: sure you got the right partitions? |
| 10:27.31 | peterS | MustangMatt: right so LBA48 shouldn't be a problem |
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| 10:27.51 | MustangMatt | jnc: Yes look at http://pastebin.com/341516 it shows the array size as 157.32 gb |
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| 10:28.11 | MustangMatt | The actual size linux has available is what df reports. I checked. |
| 10:28.17 | MustangMatt | So it's not just a display error. |
| 10:28.34 | flexy | liable: Am I correct in assuming that these work in the events of installing the pcmcia wlan card? If I wonder off the WLAN area and then come back to it, does these bring up the interface/connection automatically? I was thinking of some desktop applet that shows the connection information and perhaps does the configurations also? |
| 10:28.42 | peterS | MustangMatt: so, use cfdisk on the drives that your md0 is made from. use 'cat /proc/mdstat' to verify which partitions those are |
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| 10:29.28 | peterS | MustangMatt: cfdisk will tell you what the partition tables say. if they really do say the pr0n collection dimensions you think they should, it's a problem with the array metadata |
| 10:29.42 | Sityu | bye all |
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| 10:30.00 | james_ | peterS thanks, i was confused |
| 10:30.04 | Fabsmad | tarzeau: do I need to do "adduser fabio www-data"? On my debian there are the following users: root, fabio. fabio belong to the group www-data. |
| 10:30.06 | MustangMatt | cfdisk says there is a Pri/Log Free Space of 157316.71 mb |
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| 10:30.14 | MustangMatt | On both drives. |
| 10:30.26 | peterS | MustangMatt: so you really do have tiny partitions, comparitively speaking |
| 10:30.29 | tarzeau | Fabsmad: then check if group members of /var/www can write there |
| 10:30.31 | MustangMatt | I've added cat /proc/mdstat to the pastebin and it's as expected. |
| 10:30.42 | Fabsmad | I installed popularity-contest. What have I to do with this tool? |
| 10:30.48 | TK-1 | do u have to create a ftp users file for vsftpd |
| 10:30.53 | peterS | Fabsmad: apt-cache show popularity-contest |
| 10:30.54 | MustangMatt | peterS: 157316.71 mb = 1.5 gb right? Or am I having a brain fart |
| 10:30.57 | megabit | tarzeau, I change my source.list. and I write to console apt-get update. But he is not know security update - |
| 10:30.59 | MustangMatt | errr roughly 1.5 anyway |
| 10:31.00 | megabit | Ignhttp://security.debian.org unstable/updates/contrib Release |
| 10:31.00 | megabit | Errhttp://security.debian.org sid/updates/main Packages |
| 10:31.02 | liable | flexy: hmm, dunno if theres anything that does that.. |
| 10:31.06 | peterS | MustangMatt: no that's 157 GB |
| 10:31.19 | peterS | MustangMatt: there are only 1024 MB in a GB, not a million |
| 10:31.20 | liable | flexy: but theres a good chance I just dont know :) |
| 10:31.27 | tarzeau | Fabsmad: popularity-contest is very cool, check http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 10:31.32 | MustangMatt | peterS: So what am I missing. Everything seems in order. (Yes I know, but for approximations) |
| 10:31.45 | tarzeau | megabit: dunno, maybe your sources.list is wrong, can i see it, can you put it on your webserver? |
| 10:31.46 | MustangMatt | peterS: Oh sorry mistyped above I see yoru point. |
| 10:31.52 | peterS | MustangMatt: wait ... are the disks partitioned at all? |
| 10:32.12 | MustangMatt | peterS: Yes three partiions. /boot, swap and / |
| 10:32.17 | drac | megabit: security.. unstable? delete those lines. |
| 10:32.31 | Fabsmad | thanks for all your help |
| 10:32.47 | peterS | MustangMatt: md0 needs to be constructed of partitions. the partitions have to be created before the md device is. I'm confused about the state of your world and your disks |
| 10:32.53 | megabit | drac, Whi sid dont have security update? |
| 10:33.03 | MustangMatt | I've added fdisk info to pastebin. |
| 10:33.18 | drac | megabit: It doesn't. Why? Dunno. |
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| 10:33.28 | peterS | MustangMatt: very helpful, now tell us the url already |
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| 10:33.40 | MustangMatt | http://pastebin.com/341520 |
| 10:33.50 | Gadicath | megabit: the updates would go straight into sid, rather than having to go into security |
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| 10:34.25 | flexy | liable: right. I'm just experiencing with wlan the first time... hoping to get it smooth enough that my wife will be able to use it... :) |
| 10:34.42 | MustangMatt | wait a sec... |
| 10:34.45 | rosminet | hello |
| 10:34.46 | MustangMatt | something isn't right here. |
| 10:34.47 | peterS | MustangMatt: right, so everything is in order except the actual filesystem on /dev/md0 |
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| 10:35.20 | MustangMatt | peterS: I guess that's the case. I'm not entirely sure how to narrow this one down. |
| 10:35.20 | megabit | drac, dunno is unstable? |
| 10:35.25 | peterS | MustangMatt: back up those 476 MB of pr0n, unmount the drive, and recreate the filesystem with 'mke2fs -j' or whatever |
| 10:35.30 | liable | flexy: if you use kde or gnome, I believe they have wireless network helping things :) |
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| 10:35.43 | peterS | MustangMatt: how'd you create it the first time around? debian-installer, or something manual? |
| 10:35.43 | drac | megabit: Dunno is a word, "I don't know." |
| 10:35.44 | NeoTech | Anyone knows how the RAID-5 support for the AAA-130A adapter from Adaptec is under Linux?? The Debian Sarge install dont recon the RAID drive and handle the disks as single drives.. |
| 10:35.49 | MustangMatt | peterS: Everything is backed up already. |
| 10:35.54 | MustangMatt | peterS: Debian installer. |
| 10:36.14 | flexy | liable: enlightenment, but I have to look into kde/gnome things |
| 10:36.21 | rosminet | I have the message "ata1 failed to respond" when booting sarge amd64, anybody has an idea to solve this problem ? |
| 10:36.31 | peterS | MustangMatt: so hmm, it's your root filesystem. you can't unmount unless you can boot from rescue media like a knoppix disk |
| 10:36.46 | flexy | NeoTech: I would suggest that you use md raid and not hd raid... |
| 10:36.49 | peterS | MustangMatt: if you can ... then do that. then try 'resize2fs /dev/md0' after you get md0 detected |
| 10:36.54 | MustangMatt | peterS: Yes and unfortunately I'm not super familiar with the process. I do hae a knoppix disk. |
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| 10:37.16 | NeoTech | flexy: so i should remove the RAID config in the Adapter and run the disks as single drives? |
| 10:37.22 | peterS | MustangMatt: yeah, unfortunately I've no clear idea what tools knoppix includes. |
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| 10:37.42 | MustangMatt | peterS: I believe it includes everything I need. I just don't know how to use them. |
| 10:37.45 | liable | flexy: laptop-net, etherconf, and theres another... |
| 10:37.45 | DsOft23 | how can i configure the security updates on sources.list to get the testing one? sorry, im noob :P |
| 10:37.53 | flexy | NeoTech: yes, then use linux kernel md raid utility |
| 10:38.06 | thespiritoftal | The day before yesterday, I was 15. The next year I will be 18. What is the date of my birthday and what is the date of today? |
| 10:38.09 | megabit | drac oh sorry. |
| 10:38.14 | NeoTech | flexy: ok, that i'm familiar with .. thx. =) |
| 10:38.14 | thespiritoftal | a nice logic problem :p |
| 10:38.15 | peterS | MustangMatt: if you can reconstruct md0 (load the md modules and do some sort of mdadm invocation to rebuild md0), you should be able to do 'resize2fs /dev/md0' and it'll resize the filesystem to use its whole space |
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| 10:38.29 | N-GaG3 | liable: ok im going to the system now. I execute the shell after pressing enter and booting into the installation. Then i press ESC twice and i select the command "Execute a shell" |
| 10:38.29 | peterS | MustangMatt: that's assuming you do have ext2 or ext3 there. if you've got something else, you'll need different tools |
| 10:38.33 | N-GaG3 | thats the prompt, right ? |
| 10:38.35 | flexy | liable: thanks. I'll look into them also |
| 10:38.38 | MustangMatt | peterS: Okay I'll give it a try. I don't think that will be a problem. |
| 10:38.47 | peterS | !bless MustangMatt |
| 10:38.47 | MustangMatt | peterS: ext3 |
| 10:38.48 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child MustangMatt, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 10:39.03 | FlopsyPete | hi. I'm trying to setup a HP Photosmark 7762 printer. I've installed the hpijs package. where does it put the PPD files? |
| 10:39.12 | liable | N-GaG3: yep, or after it does hardware detection, then alt+ctrl+F2 |
| 10:39.28 | liable | err just alt+F2 |
| 10:39.29 | Gadicath | !tell DsOft23 about testing security |
| 10:39.33 | N-GaG3 | liable: but that shell is useless, it has a limited number of commands :/ |
| 10:39.34 | MustangMatt | peterS: Might it be easier to break the raid and resize the drive instead of md0? |
| 10:39.37 | peterS | FlopsyPete: dpkg -L hpijs..... |
| 10:39.41 | MustangMatt | peterS: and then rebuild. |
| 10:39.46 | flexy | NeoTech: it's possible to get the adaptec (I used different adaptec) working, but you (atleast I did not) don't get any warnings from failing drives, so using md is the safest bet and easiest, if it's already familiar to you |
| 10:39.48 | b0xy | how do I make KDE start automatically when I boot my Debian box? |
| 10:39.53 | liable | N-GaG3: well it does what you need, so do it.. |
| 10:39.53 | peterS | MustangMatt: the problem isn't the raid. it reports itself as taking up all that space |
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| 10:40.02 | N-GaG3 | ok :\ |
| 10:40.04 | N-GaG3 | brb |
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| 10:40.20 | Gadicath | b0xy: install kdm |
| 10:40.36 | b0xy | K desktop manager? |
| 10:40.41 | Gadicath | yeah |
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| 10:40.52 | Gadicath | it'll bring up a X login prompt |
| 10:40.55 | b0xy | if I installed apt-get install x-window-manager and apt-get install kde should that get it? |
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| 10:41.33 | Gadicath | b0xy: not sure. Try installing kdm |
| 10:41.41 | FlopsyPete | peterS: thanks |
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| 10:42.45 | liable | b0xy: no install kdm. |
| 10:42.58 | TK-1 | any1 help me asec ive setup vsftpd as correct as i can but the user i setup wont loging to the ftpd |
| 10:43.05 | b0xy | liable: installed. configured it to boot kdm |
| 10:43.10 | b0xy | so it should work if I reboot now? |
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| 10:43.15 | Gadicath | yeah |
| 10:43.16 | liable | yes |
| 10:43.26 | jnc | agh, er... that didn't work (amd64 netinst cd) |
| 10:43.29 | wers | TK-1.. login incorrect..? |
| 10:43.36 | TK-1 | yer wers |
| 10:43.37 | jnc | was not able to detect and load cdrom (SATA) |
| 10:43.45 | jnc | i think i'll need a recent kernel for it to work |
| 10:43.55 | jnc | is there such a thing as a 2.6.12 kernel on a netinst cd? |
| 10:44.23 | FlopsyPete | if hpijs linuxprinting.org recommanded installing hpijs, but hpijs installed no PPD file. should I install linuxprinting.org's foomatic-db for the PPD file, even tho linuxprinting.org didn't mention this? |
| 10:44.24 | N-GaG3 | liable: says "no such file or directory" when doing mount /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 /rescue |
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| 10:44.36 | peterS | jnc: check www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer and poke around for 'daily snapshots'. they don't use 2.6.12 kernels, I'm pretty sure, but possibly they will in the near future |
| 10:44.37 | wers | TK-1 never used vsftpd but had a simillar problem with proftpd, turned out it read the wrong cnf file,, try to specify in commandline what cfg file to use |
| 10:44.50 | flexy | anybody here, who have a nicely working wlan on a laptop? |
| 10:44.55 | jnc | peterS: okie |
| 10:45.00 | peterS | FlopsyPete: debian has a foomatic package too |
| 10:45.03 | wers | flexy : i do |
| 10:45.34 | FlopsyPete | peterS: yes I know, I'd use the debian package, I was just pointing out how the same people as made the driver actually point you to hpijs rather than foomatic |
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| 10:45.43 | peterS | FlopsyPete: in fact, I notice there exists a 'hplip-ppds' package - you might look into that too |
| 10:45.48 | megabit | Thanks. (: And bye ù lunch (: |
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| 10:46.13 | N-GaG3 | liable? |
| 10:46.20 | liable | N-GaG3: does /rescue exist? |
| 10:46.25 | N-GaG3 | yup |
| 10:46.26 | peterS | FlopsyPete: not to mention the debian package 'foomatic-db-hpijs' |
| 10:46.28 | b0xy | nice |
| 10:46.37 | N-GaG3 | did mkdir /rescue |
| 10:46.38 | liable | sec.... |
| 10:46.41 | N-GaG3 | k |
| 10:46.46 | FlopsyPete | peterS: yeah I'm just noticing that. thanks |
| 10:47.00 | peterS | FlopsyPete: btw I just did 'apt-cache search foomatic' to notice those two packages |
| 10:47.02 | flexy | wers: how does your wlan come up? Nicely by it self, even if you go outside of the wlan range and then back? Could you tell me more of your config? |
| 10:47.36 | FlopsyPete | peterS: my confusion lies in the fact the web docs at linuxprinting.org say to install hpijs and never mention foomatic |
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| 10:47.55 | peterS | FlopsyPete: external web docs are often incorrect in the details of how to do things on Debian |
| 10:48.02 | jnc | peterS: have you experience with running an "OS in a box" i.e. virtualized or emulated sessions with host and guest OSes? |
| 10:48.04 | peterS | FlopsyPete: so that doesn't particularly surprise me |
| 10:48.14 | liable | N-GaG3: well do ls /dev/ide... |
| 10:48.24 | N-GaG3 | k wait |
| 10:48.25 | peterS | jnc: no, but plenty of people around here do. xen, qemu, even vmware |
| 10:48.29 | jnc | ah |
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| 10:48.43 | liable | N-GaG3: all the way to /part and see whats there |
| 10:48.56 | wers | flexy .. i use the ipw2200 driver loaded as a module..... um works just like any other eth interface.. u aliased it wlan0 tho |
| 10:49.01 | N-GaG3 | no such file/dir :| |
| 10:49.08 | peterS | liable: you're telling him to /part? how rude (: |
| 10:49.20 | liable | peterS: :P |
| 10:49.26 | peterS | (yes, I know you're referring to devfs hierarchies here) |
| 10:49.27 | jnc | i wonder, what you have heard in passing on making USB devices work from a Microsoft Windows XP install in-a-box; my mobile phone is "hackable" and well documented procedures exist for doing the modifications using a Windows XP host |
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| 10:49.45 | liable | N-GaG3: it is a ide drive? |
| 10:49.52 | jnc | better chances with qemu, xen, i wonder which one |
| 10:49.53 | N-GaG3 | Yup |
| 10:49.56 | N-GaG3 | Seagate |
| 10:50.00 | liable | N-GaG3: and its on primary master? |
| 10:50.04 | peterS | jnc: I've not heard of passing through access to USB devices in a guest OS. I'm guessing this would be a bit non-trivial |
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| 10:50.08 | N-GaG3 | Dont know about that :S |
| 10:50.13 | jnc | aye |
| 10:50.33 | Guerin | jnc: they're readically, utterly different |
| 10:50.59 | flexy | wers: ndiswrapper here, but it's not enough, I had to tell the AP name with iwconfig and then use pump -i wlan0 to get the connection up and running... perhaps static would be better than dhcp.. |
| 10:50.59 | Guerin | they bear almost no relation to each other, except that they happen, to the casual observer, to be able to do a few similar things |
| 10:51.00 | liable | ls /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 |
| 10:51.04 | jnc | qemu is "xyz-in-a-box" while xen is "run multiple OSes side by side" yes? |
| 10:51.09 | crashbg | guys, is there any java i could apt with sarge, i need java runtime |
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| 10:51.12 | N-GaG3 | /dev/ide doesnt exist. |
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| 10:51.27 | Guerin | crashbg: /msg dpkg install java |
| 10:51.50 | liable | N-GaG3: then your hard drive is fucked or your mobo or something.... |
| 10:51.55 | N-GaG3 | :s |
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| 10:51.59 | N-GaG3 | OK Ill format |
| 10:51.59 | peterS | jnc: I think xen is similar in philosophy to qemu. but requires some sort of guest cooperation |
| 10:52.05 | N-GaG3 | to hell with all the installed software |
| 10:52.05 | N-GaG3 | hwh |
| 10:52.07 | N-GaG3 | heh* |
| 10:52.10 | liable | N-GaG3: windows works? |
| 10:52.12 | jnc | peterS: ahhh |
| 10:52.14 | peterS | "hwh" is welsh for "heh"? |
| 10:52.20 | N-GaG3 | liable: yup |
| 10:52.31 | N-GaG3 | But it isnt connecting me anymore after a lame reboot |
| 10:52.34 | N-GaG3 | what a pain |
| 10:52.37 | jnc | i suppose 'pwn' is welsh too |
| 10:52.47 | peterS | jnc: yeah. w is a vowel in welsh |
| 10:53.08 | N-GaG3 | liable: Can u give me quick instructions on how to setup a DSL connection? Like my PC is connected to a switch. |
| 10:53.08 | jnc | that's awwswmw. |
| 10:53.10 | liable | N-GaG3: how did this all start? |
| 10:53.14 | peterS | jnc: btw, I find it a little bit odd that the English word "Welsh" has a w in it whereas the Welsh name for the language, "Cymraeg", does not |
| 10:53.27 | Whisky_ | ;) |
| 10:53.34 | liable | hah |
| 10:53.36 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 10:53.43 | jnc | hey, Ubuntu adds a "Places" menu to Gnome |
| 10:53.51 | wers | flexy .. sometimes it changes name mysteriously from eth1 to eth2( think its my bluetooth, phucking) but try setting up auto eth1 dhcp AND auto eth2 dhcp, persuming u have another "cabled" eth0 |
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| 10:54.04 | Whisky_ | omg my kde 3.4.1 installation :S |
| 10:54.05 | peterS | jnc: that does explain why the ISO code for the language is 'cy' |
| 10:54.09 | jnc | it's got Applications, Places, System. is that just a recent Gnome thing, or Ubuntu specific |
| 10:54.14 | wers | flexy thats why i aliased it wlan0 |
| 10:54.16 | jnc | peterS: aye |
| 10:54.35 | jnc | wers: try nameif |
| 10:54.37 | MustangMatt | peterS: Okay I've got a knoppix command line up. How can I tell what knoppix sees the drives as? I've tried /dev/sda and /dev/hda with no luck. |
| 10:54.45 | wers | flexy and ohh.,imao pum is no good,, insall dhclient |
| 10:54.53 | Guerin | MustangMatt: fdisk -l |
| 10:54.55 | Whisky_ | liable: Any instructions for the connection ? |
| 10:55.07 | Whisky_ | my PC is connected to a switch. |
| 10:55.31 | peterS | MustangMatt: 'cat /proc/partitions' |
| 10:55.42 | peterS | MustangMatt: if the drives are there, that'll report them |
| 10:55.54 | crashbg | what about mtab? |
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| 10:56.57 | flexy | wers: ok |
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| 10:57.18 | liable | Whisky_: how is the network setup/ |
| 10:57.31 | MustangMatt | peterS: Darn, nothing under cat /proc/partitions |
| 10:57.33 | liable | ? |
| 10:57.34 | Guerin | hrm, /etc/services can sometimes be stupid |
| 10:57.54 | peterS | MustangMatt: then you'll need to load a kernel module or three. what sort of sata chip are we talking here? |
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| 10:58.26 | MustangMatt | Well it's some onboard adaptec controller but it's a software controller. |
| 10:58.39 | Guerin | well, after toying briefly with a firewall package, I decided it broke too many things, so I'm back to freeballing with ipmasq |
| 10:58.57 | Whisky_ | liable: Router > Switch > 2 PCs connected to Switch. In WinXP I had them to automatically assign the IP addresses. |
| 10:58.59 | liable | hehe, freeballing.. |
| 10:59.09 | peterS | MustangMatt: yeah, what does the relevant line from the 'lspci' command say about it? |
| 10:59.11 | liable | :) havent heard that for a while.. |
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| 10:59.26 | peterS | MustangMatt: I mean just the chip name, not the revision or address or crap |
| 10:59.41 | Whisky_ | :S |
| 10:59.54 | liable | Whisky_: well get them from dhcp too with linux.. |
| 11:00.05 | MustangMatt | peterS: 0000:00:1f.2 RAID bus controller: Intel Corp. 6300ESB SATA RAID Controller (rev 02) |
| 11:00.10 | Whisky_ | ermm, how? :S |
| 11:00.11 | MustangMatt | peterS: oops too late heh |
| 11:00.22 | peterS | MustangMatt: doesn't sound very adaptec to me (: |
| 11:00.52 | MustangMatt | peterS: Maybe adaptec wrote the windows software driver, not sure, on boot it has a little adaptec bios |
| 11:01.04 | liable | Whisky_: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
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| 11:01.31 | Whisky_ | k |
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| 11:02.27 | peterS | MustangMatt: so, the driver in question is called ata_piix |
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| 11:02.42 | peterS | MustangMatt: at least in 2.6 kernels it is. does your knoppix sport a recent 2.6 kernel? (uname -r will tell) |
| 11:02.44 | MustangMatt | peterS: Wait a sec... Take a look at the Start and End column for sdb2 and sdb5 again. http://pastebin.com/341520 |
| 11:03.36 | peterS | MustangMatt: perfectly normal. sda2/sdb2 you can basically ignore |
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| 11:03.56 | MustangMatt | peterS: They can share the same start and end? |
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| 11:04.13 | peterS | MustangMatt: an extended partition contains one or more "logical drives", which linux labels starting at number 5 |
| 11:04.16 | peterS | MustangMatt: so yeah |
| 11:04.25 | MustangMatt | peterS: Ah okay that makes sense. |
| 11:04.48 | MustangMatt | peterS: Actually let me reboot knoppix, I think I booted 2.4 but 2.6 is available now that you mention it. |
| 11:04.51 | peterS | MustangMatt: cfdisk won't even bother to show you sda2 / sdb2. it'll just let you create and manage "logical partitions" and will construct the extended partition to put them in all behind your back |
| 11:05.08 | peterS | MustangMatt: yeah I don't know if recent kernel 2.4 supports your chip. I rather suspect not. |
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| 11:05.28 | peterS | MustangMatt: I'm looking in kernel 2.6.12 and it does, but I didn't even check earlier 2.6es |
| 11:05.34 | Fox_1_ | can i put console font ttf? |
| 11:06.06 | peterS | Fox_1_: the console font is limited to a monochrome fixed-width bitmap of a particular range of dimensions |
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| 11:06.16 | Lanix | omg did avery one get thelist of new patches for debian ? |
| 11:06.18 | peterS | Fox_1_: truetype doesn't fit the bill, you'd have to convert it to something more rigid |
| 11:06.20 | Lanix | is alot |
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| 11:06.27 | Lanix | wow |
| 11:07.35 | Fox_1_ | peterS: i want put unicode font |
| 11:07.46 | MustangMatt | peterS: Well that's lovely when I choose 2.6 kernel knoppix gets far enough along but suddenly it forgets it was booted from the usb cdrom and can't find it's filesystem. |
| 11:07.52 | peterS | Fox_1_: then you'll have to switch to graphics mode and use graphics-mode terminal emulators such as xterm |
| 11:07.56 | MustangMatt | peterS: I guess I'll attach this drive to ide. |
| 11:08.11 | MustangMatt | peterS: The ata_piix driver did load though I noticed that. |
| 11:08.11 | peterS | MustangMatt: doh. can't help you there, you'll have to sort that part out yourself (: |
| 11:08.21 | Fox_1_ | does lynx use only console fonts |
| 11:08.23 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 11:08.23 | MustangMatt | peterS: I'll just hook it up to ide. Won't take long. |
| 11:08.35 | peterS | MustangMatt: good deal. you may have to run mdadm --assemble or something like that, I forget the details. so then you'll have /dev/md0 and you can resize2fs it |
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| 11:12.33 | wers | fox_1 ? what? |
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| 11:15.19 | Fox_1_ | which fonts lynx use? |
| 11:15.42 | peterS | Fox_1_: it doesn't, it just uses whatever your terminal is using |
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| 11:16.57 | max4ever | hi ppl, i'm using debian sarge stable, but i need to install latest alsa from unstable, how can i do that ? |
| 11:16.59 | Fox_1_ | ok |
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| 11:18.35 | wers | anyone know of a mp3-dj-mixxing software for linux lie Traktor fo win32? |
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| 11:19.45 | wers | max4ever edit yer /etc/apt/sources.list , change to unstable,, run apt-get update, and apt-get install... ull should switchto unstable first.. by apt-get upgrade |
| 11:20.36 | liable | no! |
| 11:20.45 | liable | !simple sid backport |
| 11:20.45 | dpkg | i heard simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 11:20.57 | liable | maja: or just get the source and compile it.. |
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| 11:21.34 | wers | liable ..bah. u shouldnt run it stable anyway..imao |
| 11:22.07 | max4ever | wers, but which source, they all complain after |
| 11:22.33 | shingouz | wers: you make someone go unstable, you get to support her/him |
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| 11:22.49 | max4ever | nevermind, thanks |
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| 11:23.07 | wers | shingouz .. ehhe.. : = |
| 11:23.14 | liable | max4ever: get the source from alsa project, and compile it. |
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| 11:24.16 | MustangMatt | peterS: I'm going to grab a newer version of knoppix. Probably better to use something that's more similar to sarge anyway. It's on a 1 hour pace so I'll let you know how it goes a bit later. Thanks for the help and advice! |
| 11:24.19 | joris | what's the difference between libqt3-mt and libqt3c102-mt? |
| 11:24.22 | shingouz | wers: you should know you are not doing a favor to a noob if you recommend going unstable. sid breaks and makes the noob hate linux because it is so "unstable" |
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| 11:24.46 | peterS | MustangMatt: see you later then. it's 6:24 local time and I need to wake up around 12:30 or 13:00. so I'm going to bed |
| 11:24.47 | wers | shingouz ..i stand corrected |
| 11:24.51 | peterS | MustangMatt: good luck, dude! |
| 11:24.59 | MustangMatt | peterS: Good night! |
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| 11:26.32 | jerome | sorry about this off-topic question, but am I some kind of marginal if I question the matrix trilogy, specially the gap between the first one and the rest ? |
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| 11:27.23 | wers | jerome i heard theres a animated part and a game u need to get the fuill storyline |
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| 11:28.03 | joris | wers, jerome: yep, you need to play the game to fill the gap :) |
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| 11:28.53 | BlackRat | Can you install a source package using dpkg? |
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| 11:29.07 | Fabsmad | my pc has no floppy disk. What can I do if I set in a bad way my grub loader and it doesn't start? Is there a way to create something similar to a boot floppy? |
| 11:29.08 | joris | BlackRat: you can't 'install' a source package |
| 11:29.12 | wers | BlackRat ..yes |
| 11:29.21 | peterS | BlackRat: no you have to compile it. you can download a source package with 'apt-get source', but only if you have deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:29.23 | wers | BlackRat ..if its in a .deb |
| 11:29.28 | joris | Fabsmad: bootable cd would be the easiest |
| 11:29.45 | Fabsmad | how can I make a bootable cd? |
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| 11:29.53 | BlackRat | I got the source code but it does not cope with dependencies |
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| 11:30.05 | wers | Fabsmad try knoppix.com |
| 11:30.06 | jerome | wers, joris, oki then, there is a gap :) |
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| 11:30.19 | wers | jerome : indeed |
| 11:31.13 | wers | Fabsmad os a simple netinst of debian with a rescuekernel |
| 11:31.20 | wers | or even. |
| 11:31.50 | Fabsmad | wers: no, I don't need a live distro. I'd like to make a cd from which I can load kernel from hd |
| 11:31.58 | MustangMatt | ha! I'm dumb. I have the knoppix 3.9 iso on my desktop. lol No sense in grabbing it again. |
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| 11:33.23 | BlackRat | If I want to build source, there is no simple tool to tell me if I have the right packages installed? |
| 11:33.26 | liable | Fabsmad: you can use the install cd.. |
| 11:33.33 | wers | Fabsmad . then u can u se a debian ..allmost any bootable cd, and on the prompt type : rescue root=/dev/hd? |
| 11:34.20 | peterS | BlackRat: apt-get build-dep packagename |
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| 11:35.14 | Fabsmad | so, I can start my pc with a install cd and, after, do "rescue root=/dev/hd?". In this way I start my installed kernel linux and I can modify the grub files, right? |
| 11:36.12 | wers | Fabsmad : allmost,, u start type Rescue root=/dev/hda1 if u have a linux partition there.,, it boots the rescuekernel,, from there u can modify gub or lilo... |
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| 11:36.53 | liable | Fabsmad: if you have knoppix just run grub-install from that, otherwise you can use the install cd, but its a little more involved.. |
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| 11:37.37 | Fabsmad | great! thanks a lot. This was a problem for me. I reinstalled oll my os a lot of times because I edit in a bad way my grub's conf files...! |
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| 11:38.19 | Fabsmad | how can I make a backup of my debian? |
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| 11:39.19 | Fabsmad | I mean a backup of my file system / and /home? |
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| 11:39.48 | wers | Fabsmad if they are mounted on the same device u could just burn it to a dvd.. |
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| 11:41.59 | Fabsmad | no, I have two devices: /dev/hda6 for / and /dev/hda7 for /home, /dev/hda8 for swap |
| 11:42.04 | Fabsmad | three dev |
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| 11:43.00 | wers | Fabsmad , all on the same phisical disk then.. u could use any backup software or just burn it. |
| 11:43.28 | MustangMatt | Fabsmad: if you have a second machine with more capacity you can always use a package like rsnapshot. |
| 11:43.40 | LesleyB | Fabsmad, you might want to look at tar to compress files and directories then burn the archives |
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| 11:45.02 | LesleyB | what about rsync MustangMatt ? |
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| 11:46.13 | Fabsmad | which kind of backup software do you suggest me to try? |
| 11:46.30 | LesleyB | what media can you back up on to Fabsmad ? |
| 11:46.46 | Fabsmad | dvd, cd... |
| 11:47.02 | wers | Fabsmad .. nero is easy enough. ;) |
| 11:47.12 | LesleyB | well take a look at cdrecord Fabsmad |
| 11:47.16 | wers | theres a 30day trial on their site. |
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| 11:47.32 | wers | k3b , maby |
| 11:47.38 | Fabsmad | what about bacula? |
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| 11:47.50 | LesleyB | have noclue about bacula |
| 11:47.51 | wers | ..never heard of |
| 11:47.53 | Fabsmad | I hope the name is right |
| 11:48.23 | LesleyB | it is |
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| 11:48.32 | quittt | !sydbarrett |
| 11:48.34 | LesleyB | apt-cache search bacula shows loads of stuff |
| 11:48.37 | The_ritz | can i specify an address in /etc/mail/access ... to drop mail if the From addres contains "?" |
| 11:48.39 | quittt | !syd barrett |
| 11:48.40 | dpkg | somebody said syd barrett was a lyrical/musical genius. |
| 11:48.44 | The_ritz | i mean how can it be done....on a relat-only mail server running sendmail |
| 11:48.47 | LesleyB | install it and look at the man pages that come with it |
| 11:48.56 | liable | or acid junkie.. :P |
| 11:49.07 | quittt | dpkg, tonite let's make love in london |
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| 11:50.10 | Fabsmad | ciao e grazie! |
| 11:50.19 | wers | ciao' |
| 11:50.45 | quittt | dpkg, tonite let's make love in london is a album from Pink Floyd for a movie that has live shows in 1966 to 1967(they made the show in Reveillon) |
| 11:50.46 | dpkg | okay, quittt |
| 11:51.10 | The_ritz | ?? |
| 11:51.38 | The_ritz | can i specify an address in /etc/mail/access ... to drop mail if the From addres contains "?" |
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| 11:51.54 | The_ritz | i mean can i use wildcards in /etc/mail/access |
| 11:53.42 | Whisky_ | damn i cant find vertical and horizontal sync rates for my Philips 105E :S |
| 11:54.19 | BlackRat | Philips monitor? |
| 11:54.26 | Whisky_ | yeah :s |
| 11:54.33 | wers | Whisky_ u realy need it? |
| 11:54.36 | BlackRat | I am using one of those |
| 11:54.42 | Whisky_ | yup, X wont start without them. |
| 11:55.44 | wers | Section "Monitor" Identifier "Generic Monitor" |
| 11:55.44 | wers | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.44 | wers | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.44 | wers | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:55.57 | wers | ..ops. |
| 11:55.59 | Whisky_ | wow thanks |
| 11:56.03 | Whisky_ | where did u find those? |
| 11:56.13 | shingouz | wers: and do you have the exact same monitor? |
| 11:56.28 | wers | shingouz i dont.. |
| 11:56.36 | shingouz | wers: then do not do that |
| 11:56.42 | wers | ..but it has worked on ALL my monitors i tried it on... |
| 11:56.47 | shingouz | Whisky_: those could break your monitor |
| 11:56.53 | Whisky_ | :/ |
| 11:57.12 | wers | shingouz : its not from the 18-century.. |
| 11:57.18 | BlackRat | I have 105S |
| 11:57.20 | shingouz | wers: yes. that is possible. think about the fact that the monitor in question could be somethign really old |
| 11:57.24 | shingouz | or odd for that matter |
| 11:57.24 | liable | well, not really, only if its an old fucker.. new ones just wont accept it.. |
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| 11:57.41 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 11:57.44 | liable | hmm, too slow... |
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| 11:57.55 | Whisky_ | the monitor sucks |
| 11:58.03 | shingouz | lest see what google has to say about this |
| 11:58.06 | Whisky_ | not old but Philips made a high priced shit monitor called 105E |
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| 11:58.44 | lorex | ÐÒÉ×?Ô ÕÓ?Í Ú õËÒÁ?ÎÉ |
| 11:58.49 | wers | Whiskey.. sometimes the synk rates are printed on the back of the monitor... |
| 11:58.55 | shingouz | Whisky_: http://www.google.com/linux?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=philips+105s&btnG=Search |
| 11:59.22 | Whisky_ | thats 105s :/ |
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| 11:59.33 | Nenillo | hola |
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| 11:59.38 | Whisky_ | m |
| 11:59.40 | Whisky_ | np* |
| 11:59.45 | shingouz | ah. true |
| 12:00.03 | shingouz | lets see the e then |
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| 12:00.10 | Whisky_ | all results are like "espanol" :\ |
| 12:00.28 | shingouz | Whisky_: who cares. you just need four numbers |
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| 12:01.39 | LesleyB | mmm one mor question ... I'm on an old Dell Latitude. Running a fresh install of debian. currently have gdm installed & running gnome but have changed that to xdm to run enlightenment(yet to reboot into that). However I'm have an issue with the laptop going into sleep mode. If I shut down the lid and leave the thing for a while I can't get the screen back up |
| 12:01.46 | LesleyB | how can I fix this? |
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| 12:02.11 | shingouz | Whisky_: Philips 105E HorizSync 30.0 - 54.0 VertRefresh 50.0 -120.0 |
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| 12:02.23 | Whisky_ | ok! |
| 12:02.25 | Whisky_ | thx |
| 12:02.33 | pulsa | makassar |
| 12:02.38 | shingouz | Whisky_: google is your friend |
| 12:02.42 | CrocoJet | Good morning everyone ! |
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| 12:02.50 | Whisky_ | np, my best mate :p |
| 12:03.03 | CrocoJet | is possible use gnome and kde 800x600 ? |
| 12:03.09 | FlopsyPete | can I use lpadmin to remove a print queue? I can't find any documentation on this |
| 12:03.14 | CrocoJet | with resize windows , of course |
| 12:03.17 | trevor_ | I was wondering if anybody could tell me how to import .emf and .wmf files into linux |
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| 12:03.25 | shingouz | CrocoJet: of course |
| 12:03.36 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 12:03.46 | CrocoJet | i am 800x600 ,, but 85Hz |
| 12:03.52 | shingouz | trevor_: what are those? |
| 12:03.53 | CrocoJet | I would like 100 Mhz |
| 12:04.11 | shingouz | CrocoJet: depends on your monitor. /msg dpkg drxx |
| 12:04.29 | trevor_ | shingouz they be windows graphic files ... Moving over to ubunto but want the images ... |
| 12:04.36 | CrocoJet | my monitor support 100 Mhz |
| 12:04.47 | CrocoJet | always use windows |
| 12:04.48 | |EN3RGY| | 100MHz¿? |
| 12:04.53 | CrocoJet | ops |
| 12:04.54 | CrocoJet | 100Hz |
| 12:04.58 | CrocoJet | heheheh |
| 12:04.59 | |EN3RGY| | ah XD |
| 12:05.03 | shingouz | trevor_: moving to ubuntu... geeee.... #ubuntu (try the gimp) |
| 12:05.04 | FlopsyPete | or, how do I remove a print queue I created in GNOME, from within GNOME? |
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| 12:05.28 | MustangMatt | peterS: You still up? |
| 12:05.28 | trevor_ | ok thatnk you ... |
| 12:05.31 | shingouz | !nickometer |EN3RGY| |
| 12:05.32 | dpkg | '|EN3RGY|' is 99.440% lame, shingouz |
| 12:05.37 | CrocoJet | one friend told me .. change to gnome 2.10 |
| 12:05.44 | CrocoJet | 2.8 full of bug |
| 12:05.46 | |EN3RGY| | ? |
| 12:05.48 | CrocoJet | bugs |
| 12:06.01 | BlackRat | shingouz: lol |
| 12:06.15 | CrocoJet | how to find one version compiled gnome 2.10 ... debian |
| 12:06.16 | shingouz | CrocoJet: you get a few more newer bugs in 2.10 |
| 12:06.21 | Whisky_ | !nickometer Whisky_ |
| 12:06.25 | MustangMatt | What does this sort of message mean? TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer 213.181.81.189:4854/80 shrinks window 4043906394:4043906395. Repaired. |
| 12:06.35 | Whisky_ | <dpkg> the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for Whisky_ is 0.000%, whisky_ |
| 12:06.36 | Whisky_ | =p |
| 12:06.43 | trevor_ | shingouz well Ive had enough of Windoz it has finally done my head in ............ and everything I need is under Linux ... |
| 12:07.04 | shingouz | trevor_: heh |
| 12:07.11 | CrocoJet | windows and linux ... full of bugs |
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| 12:07.21 | CrocoJet | and reboots also lol |
| 12:07.36 | shingouz | CrocoJet: your point is? |
| 12:07.36 | trevor_ | Now that a lot of the plug and play has been resolved ... and ubuntu is an excellent distro ... |
| 12:07.42 | MustangMatt | Well knoppix fixed my partition tables but sarge won't boot now. argh. |
| 12:07.50 | CrocoJet | mac !! |
| 12:07.51 | shingouz | trevor_: this is #debian not #ubuntu |
| 12:08.00 | |EN3RGY| | Gnome, Kde or XFCE, what is the best? |
| 12:08.15 | MustangMatt | I found the source of my sata slowness finally. Check out this chunk of dmesg: http://pastebin.com/341545 |
| 12:08.19 | CrocoJet | I think .. gnome .. but 2.10 |
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| 12:08.22 | shingouz | |EN3RGY|: cli. and your nick is annoying |
| 12:08.28 | MustangMatt | My drives are droppingi to PIO mode instead of dma. |
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| 12:08.38 | trevor_ | yep but I find as ubuntu is a debian release this is a nice place to see what other peoples problems are ... |
| 12:08.45 | MustangMatt | Does anyone have experience with turning dma on for SATA drives? |
| 12:08.51 | CrocoJet | shingouz, how to install gnome 2.10 in my debian 3.1 ? |
| 12:09.01 | CrocoJet | is possible ? |
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| 12:09.10 | |EN3RGY| | CrocoJet: put on your sources.list, unstable sources |
| 12:09.13 | shingouz | CrocoJet: yes it is. is it worth it: no |
| 12:09.23 | shingouz | |EN3RGY|: shut up |
| 12:09.25 | miz | Is there a way to restore /dev/snd/seq if I accidently deleted it? |
| 12:09.28 | shingouz | CrocoJet: dont! |
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| 12:09.33 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 12:09.39 | |EN3RGY| | XD |
| 12:09.51 | CrocoJet | I saw ubuntu live cd .. new version |
| 12:09.54 | shingouz | CrocoJet |EN3RGY| recommending unstable is like telling someone to shoot themselves in their head |
| 12:09.55 | Whisky_ | ok. Typing X on console turns out a grey checked screen with only an X shapes mouse pointer :/ |
| 12:09.58 | CrocoJet | is more nice .. and more fast also |
| 12:10.02 | BlackRat | Moving to unstable is something that needs careful thought |
| 12:10.04 | liable | miz: hahaha, wtf did you delete it for? |
| 12:10.13 | wers | ..what windowmanagers are u ppl running, excluding kde and gnome? |
| 12:10.19 | BlackRat | Debian does not really support downgrade |
| 12:10.21 | CrocoJet | but not possible install in HD |
| 12:10.24 | liable | !pol |
| 12:10.24 | dpkg | well, pol is please excuse PoL's shitty keyboard, i'm actually quite good at spelling and pronunciation... |
| 12:10.26 | miz | It was ... um... An accident... Thought I was deleting it on another hdd :X |
| 12:10.28 | CrocoJet | 2.10 is stable |
| 12:10.31 | shingouz | wers: cli. and please type the "you" properly |
| 12:10.37 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 12:10.37 | liable | dpkg: stupid bot. |
| 12:10.38 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
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| 12:10.49 | xst | Strange problem: The XFree86 log shows "Direct rendering: Enabled" but glxinfo shows "Direct Rendering: No". How can I enable direct rendering? (The XF86Config-4 file *has* a "Section 'DRI'\n Mode 0600\n End Section" part) |
| 12:10.50 | wers | shingouz . how bout fu? |
| 12:11.05 | liable | wanker.. |
| 12:11.08 | Whisky_ | !fu |
| 12:11.09 | dpkg | fu is probably _____ |
| 12:11.12 | Whisky_ | :O |
| 12:11.17 | Whisky_ | Typing X on console turns out a grey checked screen with only an X shapes mouse pointer :/ |
| 12:11.23 | CrocoJet | !co |
| 12:11.23 | dpkg | somebody said co was Colombia |
| 12:11.25 | liable | fuck you I think is what he meant... |
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| 12:11.33 | CrocoJet | pssssss |
| 12:11.38 | CrocoJet | dirty word |
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| 12:11.48 | CrocoJet | i dont wanna lost my virginity |
| 12:11.48 | shingouz | i got the point. not that i care about his opinion |
| 12:11.49 | CrocoJet | lol |
| 12:11.58 | tarzeau | it clearly must be weekend |
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| 12:12.08 | shingouz | tarzeau: and getting close to sunday |
| 12:12.22 | tarzeau | shingouz: who cares, the weather is bad like shit |
| 12:12.24 | Whisky_ | liableeeeeeeeee |
| 12:12.26 | Whisky_ | Typing X on console turns out a grey checked screen with only an X shapes mouse pointer :/ |
| 12:12.41 | CrocoJet | people !!! How to use gnome 2.10 in debian 3.1 ? any idea ? |
| 12:12.41 | tarzeau | Whisky_: try startx |
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| 12:12.52 | shingouz | tarzeau: the weather is decent here but i am getting hungry as hell |
| 12:12.56 | Whisky_ | k |
| 12:12.59 | liable | Whisky_: install gnome or whatever you want.. |
| 12:13.00 | tarzeau | Whisky_: and have a proper ~/.xsession |
| 12:13.03 | CrocoJet | i dont wanna move to ubuntu |
| 12:13.17 | tarzeau | shingouz: i'd go to the lake/river, take something to eat with you |
| 12:13.20 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 12:13.32 | shingouz | CrocoJet: what does your sources.list point to? stable or testing? |
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| 12:13.45 | liable | CrocoJet: bad luck.. its only available in sid.. |
| 12:13.55 | liable | CrocoJet: atm |
| 12:14.06 | |EN3RGY| | on testing sources gnome is 2.8.3 |
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| 12:14.16 | Whisky_ | I got KDE |
| 12:14.23 | CrocoJet | and why I can get sources 2.10 and compile here all |
| 12:14.32 | BlackRat | dpkg testing |
| 12:14.32 | dpkg | well, testing is a release phase between frozen and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 12:14.41 | shingouz | !tell CrocoJet about simple backport |
| 12:14.59 | BlackRat | !tell BlackRat about testing |
| 12:15.08 | liable | hmm, that would be funky for gnome.. |
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| 12:15.10 | CrocoJet | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.16 | CrocoJet | what is it ? |
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| 12:15.21 | trevor_ | shingouz: gimp wont recognise the file type ... is there a conversion tool ?... or shall I try the web and rtfm ?.. |
| 12:15.25 | shingouz | CrocoJet: mostly you get more blingbling with the newer version |
| 12:15.39 | Detox | >>>>> I cannot get my machine to boot after installing linux for a duel boot system. Have Win XP on it now. I believe I am messing up the partitions during install, Help??<<< |
| 12:15.39 | CrocoJet | when will be new release of debian ? |
| 12:15.43 | CrocoJet | any date ? |
| 12:15.48 | shingouz | CrocoJet: hmm.. i forgot the name of the factoid. sec |
| 12:16.11 | tarzeau | CrocoJet: next year |
| 12:16.19 | CrocoJet | oh ok |
| 12:16.19 | tarzeau | shingouz: rsn, wir? |
| 12:16.22 | CrocoJet | long time |
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| 12:16.34 | tarzeau | CrocoJet: anything wrong with sarge, the current release? |
| 12:16.43 | tarzeau | CrocoJet: it's not even 3 months old |
| 12:16.57 | CrocoJet | resolution 800x600 ... |
| 12:17.00 | CrocoJet | gnome |
| 12:17.09 | shingouz | !drxx |
| 12:17.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:17.09 | CrocoJet | no set refresh rate |
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| 12:17.14 | liable | tarzeau: hlp me pls !!!??!! why is debina so old!!! lol |
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| 12:17.31 | tarzeau | i so hate perl |
| 12:17.32 | shingouz | CrocoJet: just reconfigure the X. installing a newer version of gnome is not going to help that |
| 12:17.57 | CrocoJet | where I can set (manually) resfresh rate ? |
| 12:18.04 | CrocoJet | no option ... X |
| 12:18.04 | shingouz | !drxx |
| 12:18.05 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 12:18.19 | shingouz | CrocoJet: read what dpkg just said |
| 12:18.25 | CrocoJet | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 .. no option to force one refresh rate |
| 12:18.38 | liable | um, yes. |
| 12:18.43 | CrocoJet | defaults .. many resolutions |
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| 12:18.55 | shingouz | CrocoJet: if you can only get 800x600 you have a misconfig there |
| 12:18.56 | liable | go advanced for monitor.. |
| 12:19.18 | liable | CrocoJet: intel 855 chip by any chance? |
| 12:19.24 | shingouz | bah, someone else reconfigure the X, i need some food or i will rip heads off |
| 12:19.36 | CrocoJet | I put values there .. advance for monitor |
| 12:19.44 | CrocoJet | but always getting 85hz |
| 12:19.45 | FlopsyPete_ | does anyone know how to remove a print queue that was created from within Gnome? there's no GUI for it (and lpadmin at the CLI only removes printers from classes, but I didn't create a class I created a print queue) |
| 12:19.53 | CrocoJet | if windows works 100 hz .. |
| 12:20.01 | CrocoJet | linux ... must works also |
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| 12:20.22 | CrocoJet | sis chip here |
| 12:21.09 | CrocoJet | well .. |
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| 12:21.15 | |EN3RGY| | CrocoJet: 85Hz is a very good freq |
| 12:21.19 | CrocoJet | let me look altavista.com |
| 12:21.25 | CrocoJet | ok ... not for me |
| 12:21.43 | Whisky_ | How do i know what card I should select in the xserver configuration? My display is at 640*480 @ 86 Hz :S |
| 12:21.56 | |EN3RGY| | Whisky_: xX |
| 12:22.21 | drac | Whisky_: "lspci | grep VGA" |
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| 12:23.10 | liable | Whisky_: havent you already installed on this machine once? |
| 12:23.27 | Whisky_ | liable: Yeah I chose the one this time too but not working fine :/ |
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| 12:23.51 | joris | any way of resolving the current kde dependency problems in sid? |
| 12:24.00 | liable | wait? |
| 12:24.15 | Morti | Yeah, just wait until it's fixed. |
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| 12:24.52 | joris | let me rephrase that |
| 12:25.17 | joris | any way of reverting the system I screwed due to the kde dependencies within the day? |
| 12:25.32 | liable | joris: whats the problem/ |
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| 12:25.41 | liable | damn shift key.. |
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| 12:26.32 | joris | liable: dependencies on packages wich conflict which conflict with each other |
| 12:27.27 | Whisky_ | bloody display |
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| 12:27.47 | liable | joris: put them on hold, or really dont use sid, or try and work it out..\ |
| 12:28.11 | |EN3RGY| | bye all |
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| 12:28.39 | joris | liable: hehe, in that order: too late, no choice, and I tried working it out over the past 3 hours |
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| 12:30.37 | liable | joris: so you let apt remove stuff that had dependancy problems with something else? |
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| 12:31.21 | Ox12 | hello, anybody knows about an apt package called phpbb2? |
| 12:31.28 | joris | liable: well, yeah... but in my defence: my caffeine level was low when I did that :p |
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| 12:31.48 | liable | joris: well, tough! :P |
| 12:32.01 | knt | what's the function of libnsl*.so and libnss*.so libraries? |
| 12:32.22 | avrfreak | any tutorial for debian in pdf? |
| 12:32.23 | FlopsyPete_ | please can someone tell me how to get the 'Remove' option usable to remove a printer from Gnome's Applications -> Desktop preferences -> Advanced. its dimmed |
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| 12:32.52 | liable | FlopsyPete_: try the cups admin page? |
| 12:33.02 | yoo | i can't install k3b because libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) but doesn't instalableon my sid but libqt3-mt repace it |
| 12:33.09 | yoo | so i install libqt3-mt |
| 12:33.13 | tarzeau | avrfreak: www.debian.org/doc |
| 12:33.19 | yoo | but the problerm is the same |
| 12:33.21 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 12:33.21 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 12:33.48 | yoo | Dépend: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) mais il n'est pas installable |
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| 12:34.17 | joris | yoo: welcome abord ;) |
| 12:34.23 | yoo | How to say to k3b that it not depend on libqt3c102-mt but now libqt3-mt |
| 12:34.26 | yoo | welcome |
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| 12:34.30 | yoo | sorry :) |
| 12:34.32 | Roch | hello |
| 12:34.33 | tarzeau | yoo: apt-get source k3b |
| 12:34.39 | tarzeau | yoo: then edit debian/control |
| 12:34.43 | tarzeau | yoo: and debuild |
| 12:34.52 | tarzeau | yoo: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ see the debian packaging tutorial |
| 12:35.18 | yoo | ok |
| 12:35.34 | FlopsyPete_ | liable: its a remote printer. that would remove it from the print server. I want to remove the queue on this local machine |
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| 12:36.17 | avrfreak | tarzeau non pdf founded !!! |
| 12:36.19 | Roch | I'm running debian stable ppc and with gv I get lots of " **** Warning: File has a corrupted %%EOF marker, or garbage after %%EOF. " messages which I don't get with any other computer |
| 12:36.24 | avrfreak | only htnl |
| 12:36.41 | Roch | does anybody have an idea to solve this problem ? |
| 12:36.59 | Ox12 | I need help about phpbb2 package please, someone answer me! |
| 12:37.07 | FlopsyPete_ | liable: I see, the localhost:631. that explains it. thanks! |
| 12:37.25 | Roch | (it happens with many postscript files) |
| 12:37.35 | Roch | (and pdf files too) |
| 12:37.53 | tarzeau | avrfreak: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.pdf |
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| 12:38.03 | tarzeau | avrfreak: i see plenty of pdfs dunno what your problem is |
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| 12:38.45 | avrfreak | no problem... thenkz ... i want to read |
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| 12:38.58 | Whisky_ | meh no internet for me on Debian :\ |
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| 12:39.05 | Whisky_ | Display's fixed |
| 12:39.16 | BlackRat | Cool Whisky_ |
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| 12:39.38 | Whisky_ | /etc/network/interfaces has been configured to get eth0 up by dhcp |
| 12:39.42 | Whisky_ | but no internet -_- |
| 12:39.48 | the13th | good morning everyone :) |
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| 12:40.26 | darkhmet | the13th: hi, welcome |
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| 12:40.52 | fairway | what is the new testing called like? |
| 12:41.09 | Knorrie | !tell Knorrie about etch |
| 12:41.13 | Knorrie | euh |
| 12:41.15 | Knorrie | :) |
| 12:41.21 | Knorrie | !tell fairway about etch |
| 12:41.23 | BlackRat | Nice one Knorrie |
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| 12:41.31 | Whisky_ | omg someone help me get on the internetttttttttt |
| 12:41.35 | fairway | etch |
| 12:41.35 | fairway | ha |
| 12:42.00 | the13th | Whisky_: > where exactly is your problem? (except your typing style...) |
| 12:42.18 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 12:43.15 | Whisky_ | the13th: I have a 2 system network at my home. Router > Switch > Both systems connected to the switch. This system is running WinXP and has internet. I just installed Debian on the other system but no Internet there now. eth0 is configured to get ip via dhcp. |
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| 12:43.48 | the13th | the router is configured to start the dhcp server-thingie? |
| 12:43.48 | oxff | !dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:43.49 | dpkg | methinks simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 12:44.01 | Whisky_ | the13th: Dont know :/ |
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| 12:44.42 | the13th | then you really shoudl first check your router configuration :-/ |
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| 12:44.59 | Whisky_ | Ok the router web setup says |
| 12:44.59 | Whisky_ | Number of ethernet devices connected to the DHCP server: 2 |
| 12:45.12 | Whisky_ | 10.0.0.11 and .13 |
| 12:45.22 | Whisky_ | .11 is this system |
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| 12:45.30 | Whisky_ | and .13 must be the other then |
| 12:46.02 | Whisky_ | ok DHCP is enabled in the router. |
| 12:46.06 | liable | Whisky_: so the router can see it. what does ifconfig eth0 say? |
| 12:47.11 | Whisky_ | inetaddr: 10.0.0.13 |
| 12:47.28 | liable | up, running, gateway? |
| 12:47.58 | liable | can you ping the router? |
| 12:48.29 | Whisky_ | no gateway shown |
| 12:48.32 | Whisky_ | wait let me try |
| 12:49.09 | Whisky_ | yup, no packet loss |
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| 12:49.25 | MustangMatt | Sarge installer is puking on me. |
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| 12:49.44 | liable | ok, ping 69.93.107.106 |
| 12:49.53 | the13th | (just as sidenote: i don't get why people allways want to use dhcp...) |
| 12:50.11 | liable | its easy../lazy :P |
| 12:50.28 | the13th | lol |
| 12:50.44 | Whisky_ | 100% packet loss :| |
| 12:50.52 | the13th | and at least twice a day I need to answer questions bout dhcp-problems |
| 12:51.11 | liable | Whisky_: whats the output of route? |
| 12:51.19 | Whisky_ | let me go back to the room :| |
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| 12:52.10 | Whisky_ | default gateway is 10.0.0.2 |
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| 12:52.20 | Whisky_ | that's my router |
| 12:52.32 | Whisky_ | i dont care for dhcp, i just want to connect :S |
| 12:53.02 | the13th | then configure your network by hand |
| 12:53.28 | liable | i dont think that will help.. |
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| 12:53.53 | liable | Whisky_: you can ping the other box too? |
| 12:53.56 | Whisky_ | :( |
| 12:53.59 | Whisky_ | yup |
| 12:54.07 | Whisky_ | can ping the router and the box |
| 12:54.44 | liable | Whisky_: your router seems to be the problem, your debian box is up, gateway set, router wont let you past to net.. |
| 12:55.09 | Whisky_ | but why? :S |
| 12:55.19 | the13th | liable: > even if I dislike to disappoint you: |
| 12:55.25 | the13th | [14:47] <liable> up, running, gateway? |
| 12:55.26 | the13th | [14:47] <liable> can you ping the router? |
| 12:55.26 | the13th | [14:48] <Whisky_> no gateway shown |
| 12:55.39 | Whisky_ | no it shows the gateway in route |
| 12:55.43 | liable | the13th: well, it wont in ifconfig.. |
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| 12:55.50 | liable | it will in route.. |
| 12:56.06 | Whisky_ | How do i allow my router to let me past it? |
| 12:56.13 | Whisky_ | im at http://10.0.0.2 |
| 12:56.27 | Whisky_ | LAN configuration, wan, ppp |
| 12:56.54 | liable | Whisky_: dunno, if it gives a lease, it should work (TM) |
| 12:57.06 | Whisky_ | err? |
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| 12:57.42 | liable | dhcp lease.. try ifdown etho and up again.. |
| 12:57.51 | zenit | anyone here using hostap? |
| 12:57.54 | Whisky_ | ok :/ |
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| 12:58.17 | jaddie | i have bad blocks from 98324 to 98547..what can i do to fix them ? i can't install linux on them :( the partition is ext3 |
| 12:58.21 | Whisky_ | ermmm, do i need DHCP client enabled ? |
| 12:58.47 | the13th | liable: > sorry - then I've read wrong |
| 12:58.49 | drac | jaddie: What distro are you using? |
| 12:58.59 | jaddie | drac: does that matters ? |
| 12:59.01 | liable | Whisky_: what do you mean? you have it installed, it works.. |
| 12:59.19 | jaddie | my partition is ext3, it has nothing on it.. it's empty |
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| 13:00.02 | liable | Whisky_: when you do ifup eth0, you should see it trying for a dhcp lease. |
| 13:00.26 | yoo | tarzeau, you have the same documentation in french :) |
| 13:00.43 | tarzeau | yoo: yes just browse around on that url |
| 13:00.51 | yoo | oh cool |
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| 13:02.17 | BlackRat | Et voila |
| 13:02.26 | Whisky_ | liable: That was the DHCP server :\ |
| 13:02.38 | liable | Whisky_: on the router, yes :) |
| 13:03.05 | Whisky_ | And i also have the option for dhcp client, should i enable it now ? |
| 13:03.26 | liable | Whisky_: on the router? |
| 13:03.35 | Whisky_ | Yeah |
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| 13:04.27 | liable | hmm, that must be for getting an ip from your isp, shouldnt make any difference. |
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| 13:05.04 | liable | hehe, maybe not, turn that on :P |
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| 13:09.07 | iiiears | Good Morning. - looking for an IRC client that turns off private messages? - what client does that? |
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| 13:10.21 | liable | iiiears: umode +E (will stop anyone thats not registered) |
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| 13:10.27 | liable | meh |
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| 13:13.07 | jucaosa | how do i install debian from win partition? |
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| 13:14.09 | nkuttler | jucaosa: i doubt it's possible, why do you want to? |
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| 13:15.17 | jucaosa | i havent got cd-rw and net doesnt work into botting |
| 13:15.32 | nkuttler | jucaosa: botting? |
| 13:15.37 | jucaosa | lol |
| 13:15.39 | jucaosa | bot |
| 13:15.42 | jucaosa | system bot |
| 13:15.48 | nkuttler | you mean boot |
| 13:15.52 | jucaosa | yea |
| 13:16.03 | liable | floppy? |
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| 13:16.06 | nkuttler | jucaosa: install from floppies |
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| 13:16.27 | jucaosa | i know but... |
| 13:16.37 | jucaosa | i will boot thru floopies... |
| 13:16.53 | jucaosa | debian package is just placed on win partition |
| 13:17.06 | jucaosa | c:/debian/ |
| 13:17.16 | liable | you cant boot from that though.. |
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| 13:17.49 | jucaosa | theres no way? |
| 13:18.10 | jucaosa | im desperatly looking for it |
| 13:18.10 | MustangMatt | If you have multiple swap partitions (across multiple drives) will linux use both of them so long as they're in /etc/fstab? |
| 13:18.22 | nkuttler | jucaosa: boot from floppies, configure your nic, install from network |
| 13:18.40 | paxx | I have installed debian ppc on a mac mini and I'm haveing problem to type \ och @. How can I solve this? I'm using a pc-keyboard |
| 13:18.53 | jucaosa | MustangMatt |
| 13:18.55 | jucaosa | yes |
| 13:19.08 | nkuttler | paxx: try #debian-ppc |
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| 13:19.20 | nkuttler | paxx: it may be #debianppc though |
| 13:19.22 | liable | ifconfig -a |
| 13:19.27 | tracysun | hello |
| 13:19.27 | tracysun | anyone here |
| 13:19.31 | nkuttler | tracysun: no |
| 13:19.34 | the13th | nope |
| 13:19.39 | the13th | we are just bots |
| 13:19.40 | jucaosa | my ISP is bad...i cant log into him without software interface |
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| 13:19.56 | the13th | jucaosa: > then you are heaving a problem |
| 13:19.57 | liable | jucaosa: change isp.. |
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| 13:20.51 | nkuttler | jucaosa: what kind of software? |
| 13:21.10 | jucaosa | hmm... i think im supposed to burn .iso... |
| 13:21.19 | Fox_1_ | how to make ppp connection? |
| 13:21.20 | nkuttler | jucaosa: it's the easiest way |
| 13:21.21 | jucaosa | its a lame protocol |
| 13:21.26 | jucaosa | pppoe |
| 13:21.31 | the13th | loooool |
| 13:21.37 | the13th | sorry |
| 13:21.38 | nkuttler | jucaosa: afaik the installer can do pppoe |
| 13:21.44 | nkuttler | jucaosa: did you read the install guide? |
| 13:21.53 | the13th | pppoe isthe standard for dsl |
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| 13:22.29 | jucaosa | hm |
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| 13:22.49 | jucaosa | im reading it now |
| 13:22.49 | Fox_1_ | i mean how can i configure ppp and run it for connection like wvdial? |
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| 13:23.22 | liable | Fox_1_: what do you mean? just use wvdial, it uses pppd |
| 13:23.22 | nkuttler | jucaosa: read http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ as well |
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| 13:23.42 | liable | ifconfig eth0 |
| 13:23.49 | liable | ffs |
| 13:23.55 | jucaosa | k |
| 13:24.04 | liable | wrong fucking window again! |
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| 13:24.32 | possie | hi |
| 13:24.37 | Fox_1_ | liable: wont use wvdial |
| 13:24.45 | liable | Fox_1_: why? |
| 13:24.50 | kokkoo | hi how can i install mod_throttle in apache? (im running debian\sarge).. i get error : make: apxs: Command not found |
| 13:25.13 | liable | does it show anything? |
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| 13:25.32 | the13th | looks like a broken dependancy |
| 13:25.47 | nkuttler | kokkoo: looks like you need apxs |
| 13:25.52 | Fox_1_ | i don't know |
| 13:25.59 | nkuttler | kokkoo: apt-cache search apxs |
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| 13:26.11 | liable | Fox_1_: wvdial fails? |
| 13:26.16 | possie | is there away to print the irq mappings (e.g. /proc/interrupts) directly after the kernel is loaded? cause my machine hangs during boot, while probing my raid controller, and i guess it has something todo with IRQ's, so i would like to see the content of /proc/interrupts during boot |
| 13:26.19 | Sepho | hi! |
| 13:26.22 | kokkoo | nkuttler : aha the dev package for apache :P |
| 13:26.23 | Sepho | anyone uses pure-ftpd? |
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| 13:26.58 | the13th | makes sense kokkoo ;) |
| 13:27.24 | asg | kokkoo: fwiw, apache comes with mod_bandwidth which might do what you want. |
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| 13:28.22 | Sepho | anyone uses pure-ftpd? |
| 13:28.29 | asg | !tell Sepho about repeat |
| 13:28.33 | asg | !tell Sepho about polls |
| 13:28.43 | kokkoo | asg : its implemented internally ? |
| 13:29.01 | kokkoo | asg : i just want to limit its output to 20k\sek :P |
| 13:29.01 | asg | kokkoo: it's part of the standard suit of modules debian ships |
| 13:29.30 | kokkoo | asg : any howto? :) |
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| 13:29.47 | Fox_1_ | no |
| 13:29.49 | asg | kokkoo: apache-doc |
| 13:30.23 | kokkoo | asg : by looking at the modules.conf i cannot find mod_bandwith.. ? |
| 13:30.53 | asg | kokkoo: look in /usr/lib/apache/1.3/* |
| 13:31.09 | liable | Fox_1_: well give us some details please, i am not going to keep trying to guess |
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| 13:31.35 | kokkoo | asg : tnx alot :) |
| 13:32.15 | liable | !vague |
| 13:32.15 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
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| 13:32.57 | liable | actually... |
| 13:33.13 | the1ts | sepho: just ask the question, it may not be pure-ftp specific |
| 13:33.20 | kokkoo | whilst im here, is there any bandwith shaper \ qos available ? |
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| 13:33.39 | Fox_1_ | i have download just debian 2 CDs and in there isn't wvdial |
| 13:33.58 | Fox_1_ | and i want to use console diler |
| 13:34.02 | asg | kokkoo: check lartc.org |
| 13:34.03 | Fox_1_ | dialer |
| 13:34.10 | liable | Fox_1_: oh, ok fine, pppconfig |
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| 13:34.19 | asg | kokkoo: their howto provides all you'll need for such things on Linux |
| 13:34.33 | Sepho | ok, well... I try to install and configure pure-ftpd (I use gentoo) and when i try to add users, they can't connect to my ftp serevr,it says that the user password is wrong. |
| 13:34.49 | asg | Sepho: did you ask in #gentoo? |
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| 13:35.21 | Fox_1_ | liable: but pppconfig just configure ppp |
| 13:35.43 | liable | Fox_1_: than you use pon and poff |
| 13:35.49 | liable | then |
| 13:35.51 | Sepho | yep, but nobody answerme |
| 13:36.01 | shingouz | !they don't know |
| 13:36.04 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 13:36.23 | Fox_1_ | pon and it'll connect ? |
| 13:36.33 | liable | Fox_1_: should do. |
| 13:36.36 | asg | Sepho: well, since we can't guarantee Gentoo's package and ours are compatible, there isn't much we can do other than suggest that you check docs, howtos, and debugging logs or use something else (i.e. vsftpd) |
| 13:36.51 | the1ts | Speho: All I can say is check all your logfiles for what may be the real reason. Are they in the correct groups? Do they have the correct shell? etc |
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| 13:44.15 | ferry | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 13:47.28 | streuner | Why we renamed kernel-image to linux-image? |
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| 13:47.36 | shingouz | hurd |
| 13:47.47 | PaPyRene10 | what is the shell command to show the runlevel without using inittab and ps? |
| 13:47.51 | asg | shingouz: and kfreebsd possibly |
| 13:47.53 | asg | rumpl: runlevel |
| 13:47.55 | liable | streuner: apparently there will be other kernels to choose from soon.. |
| 13:47.58 | asg | bah |
| 13:48.01 | asg | PaPyRene10: runlevel |
| 13:48.06 | rumpl | :) |
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| 13:48.20 | PaPyRene10 | tnks |
| 13:49.27 | PaPyRene10 | stupid question : the answer was in the questino ;-) |
| 13:49.31 | MustangMatt | *gasp* I figured out the slow sata performance problem. |
| 13:49.52 | MustangMatt | The last rebuild took over 3 days this one is on a 50 minute total pace. |
| 13:50.01 | asg | PaPyRene10: it's okay, people often ask 'how do I cat a file?' |
| 13:50.19 | MustangMatt | There was an irqbalance package I ran and it made all the difference in the world. It's for hyperthreaded processors |
| 13:50.41 | streuner | thanks guys |
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| 13:53.00 | E-bola | Can somebody tell me when u need ot use the /sbin/fsck.reiserfs binary? |
| 13:53.09 | E-bola | when transactions are replayed at mount, anyway? |
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| 13:53.15 | MustangMatt | When your file system is hosed |
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| 13:53.34 | asg | E-bola: sometimes, the transaction log isn't fully written during a crash. |
| 13:53.44 | E-bola | asg: ok so when should i run it? |
| 13:53.50 | E-bola | ive been running it after every crash |
| 13:53.55 | E-bola | but i just read on a faq i dont need to |
| 13:54.06 | asg | E-bola: when it won't mount because it claims to be dirty. |
| 13:54.33 | E-bola | ok |
| 13:54.40 | E-bola | no need ot run it after every crash? |
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| 13:55.26 | asg | E-bola: that's up to you. My only experience with reiser was losing all of my data on two consecutive occassions. I won't use it now. |
| 13:56.07 | liable | !ricer |
| 13:56.08 | dpkg | ricer is, like, at gentoo |
| 13:56.12 | liable | !ricerfs |
| 13:56.13 | dpkg | i heard ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 13:56.25 | the13th | asg: > yeah - like me - I used reiserfs even tree times - and then I had enough and chose ext3 |
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| 13:56.49 | jucaosa | i cant find the pppoe section in install manual |
| 13:56.54 | asg | the13th: it may have stabilized by now but I'm still not convinced. |
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| 13:57.43 | PaPyRene10 | where let I start the samba daemon in the init rc5.d chain: after or before inetd? |
| 13:57.54 | E-bola | i had hell with ext3 so i went for reiserfs now |
| 13:58.01 | the13th | asg: > yeah - like me - I used reiserfs even tree times - and then I had enough and chose ext3 |
| 13:58.09 | E-bola | atleast it seems to have some recovery tools |
| 13:58.10 | asg | PaPyRene10: start it S99, there should be no problem there. |
| 13:58.11 | Ox12 | How to reconfigure php4-mysql please ;( |
| 13:58.16 | E-bola | ext3 is hell if not impossible to recover |
| 13:58.26 | asg | E-bola: what kind of crack are you smoking? |
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| 13:58.30 | the13th | Ox12: > dpkg-reconfigure php4-mysql maybe? |
| 13:58.41 | asg | Ox12: there isn't anything to configure |
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| 13:58.57 | asg | Ox12: other than making sure 'extension=mysql.so' is in /etc/php4/*/php.ini and restarting apache. |
| 13:59.03 | liable | PaPyRene10: um debian default is rc2 anyway.. |
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| 13:59.18 | Ox12 | asg: need to config the web server am using |
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| 13:59.39 | jsi | 0x12: What about your webserver do you need to configure? |
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| 13:59.51 | liable | can you enable remote on it for me? |
| 14:00.08 | PaPyRene10 | liable: I know but I use rc5.d and there I use the console terms |
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| 14:00.23 | liable | PaPyRene10: oh, ok. :) |
| 14:00.30 | asg | !beer paulswm |
| 14:00.45 | paulswm | asg: Hi, long time no see :) |
| 14:00.52 | asg | paulswm: yeah, you doing okay? |
| 14:01.51 | PaPyRene10 | liable: asg: I have already S99kdm, S99rmnologin, S99webmin; do just create S99sambe? |
| 14:02.02 | paulswm | asg: Yes now, had to have a stent put in left coronary artery, >90% blocked, narrowly escaped a major and probably fatal heart attack |
| 14:02.03 | asg | PaPyRene10: yes |
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| 14:02.09 | liable | yeah, it'll be ok |
| 14:02.17 | asg | paulswm: ouch, glad you're doing better. |
| 14:02.29 | PaPyRene10 | liable: asg: ok |
| 14:02.43 | liable | paulswm: glad you got it fixed :) |
| 14:02.47 | paulswm | asg: Thanks, you are well I hope. |
| 14:02.53 | asg | paulswm: doing fine thanks |
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| 14:03.20 | paulswm | liable: Still have another coronary blockage and at least one in my leg, but getting those fixed on Sep 1st, they aren't lethal |
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| 14:04.08 | liable | paulswm: bugger, sounds like a bit of time in hospital for you. Hope all goes well. |
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| 14:04.35 | takatumi | paulswm: wb. |
| 14:04.44 | paulswm | liable: No, overnight is all, all done by inserting catheters into a femoral artery |
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| 14:04.53 | paulswm | takatumi: Thanks :) |
| 14:05.12 | liable | paulswm: oh, sweet. |
| 14:05.57 | paulswm | I have to have my carotid arteries checked for blockages, but I think I'm OK as I am not displaying the main symptoms of brain oxygen deprivation (asking dumb questions in #debian) |
| 14:06.03 | paulswm | :P |
| 14:06.06 | liable | haha |
| 14:06.16 | MustangMatt | 43 mb/sec read and 31 mb/sec write... That's not bad software raid performance! |
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| 14:06.18 | liable | @annoy paulswm |
| 14:06.19 | ravenbird | paulswm: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 14:06.30 | liable | gah, thats a weak one.. |
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| 14:06.52 | Fox_1_ | listen in debian woody's mozilla utf-8 charset show the armenian letters, but in sarge it does not show them. |
| 14:06.59 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 14:07.20 | elephantman | Does scripts in /etc/cron.daily have to be scheduled with "crontab -e" ? |
| 14:07.33 | teun | no |
| 14:07.42 | elephantman | teun: me ? |
| 14:07.46 | teun | yeah |
| 14:08.08 | elephantman | so they happen every day at 0.00 ? |
| 14:08.11 | teun | no |
| 14:08.19 | asg | elephantman: look in /etc/crontab for when they are scheduled |
| 14:08.31 | teun | 6.25 typically |
| 14:08.32 | Fox_1_ | listen in debian woody's mozilla utf-8 charset show the armenian letters, but in sarge it does not show them. |
| 14:08.53 | liable | Fox_1_: please dont repeat. /msg dpkg repeat |
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| 14:09.14 | PaPyRene10 | BTW, creating S99samba in /etc/rc5.d, witch of these deamons or unecessary: klogd, kerneld, ppp, logoutd, makedev, atd, kdm, rmnologin? |
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| 14:09.24 | elephantman | asg: ok so they have to be setup in crontab otherwise how does the system know when to start them ? |
| 14:09.29 | Fox_1_ | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 14:09.51 | asg | elephantman: no, /etc/crontab is what cron uses to decided when /etc/cron.daily, etc., are run. |
| 14:09.56 | elephantman | teun: oh ok - but what if those scripts needs parameters ? |
| 14:10.16 | asg | elephantman: man cron, read the second paragraph |
| 14:10.33 | elephantman | asg: ok thanx a lot i understand know |
| 14:10.37 | teun | elephantman: then don't put them in cron.daily, or write a wrapper script, or whatever |
| 14:10.50 | elephantman | asg: i was confusing between "crontab" command & file |
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| 14:11.15 | elephantman | teun: ok i understand |
| 14:11.18 | elephantman | teun: thanx |
| 14:11.20 | teun | yw |
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| 14:11.52 | paulswm | Need to go rest, nice to see you all, stay safe |
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| 14:17.01 | REISTLIN | hi |
| 14:17.27 | the1ts | hey |
| 14:18.14 | REISTLIN | ÓÐÖйúµÄÅóÓÑÂ𣿠|
| 14:19.03 | drac | REISTLIN: Don't do that.. m'kay.. |
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| 14:20.54 | REISTLIN | where is chinese channel ? |
| 14:21.16 | drac | !cn |
| 14:21.16 | dpkg | [cn] China |
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| 14:21.24 | drac | meh.. |
| 14:21.46 | liable | dont think there is one on freenode.. |
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| 14:21.57 | kerpen | is there a debian chinese channel? i would be interested to know too. |
| 14:22.36 | Fox_1_ | hei anyone want to play kbattleship? |
| 14:22.38 | idnar | what is #debian-zh? |
| 14:23.48 | REISTLIN | oh...thank you |
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| 14:24.04 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 14:24.29 | jeffrin | is there any command to re-name all .c file to .txt |
| 14:24.31 | Fox_1_ | no one? |
| 14:24.38 | streuner | idnar: #debian-zh 26 Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2005/08/msg00089.html |
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| 14:25.14 | jeffrin | is there any command to re-name all .c file to .txt |
| 14:25.30 | streuner | jeffrin: rename? |
| 14:25.32 | bjb_ | bleah. apt-get dist-upgrade on a sparc machine fails with the silo package. "/etc/silo.conf appears to be valid\nErrors were encountered while processing:\n /var/cache/apt/archives/silo_1.4.9-1_sparc.deb |
| 14:25.42 | kerpen | idnar, thks for the info on the chinese channel. |
| 14:25.43 | streuner | jeffrin: mv? |
| 14:25.47 | jeffrin | streuner : yes |
| 14:25.49 | jeffrin | okay |
| 14:26.02 | drac | jeffrin: rename 's/.c/.txt/' (or something, not so good with regexps) |
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| 14:26.30 | liable | dpkg: cn is also for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh |
| 14:26.30 | dpkg | liable: okay |
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| 14:27.27 | liable | dpkg: cn is also for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 14:27.27 | dpkg | liable: okay |
| 14:27.27 | jeffrin | rename may work |
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| 14:28.34 | liable | ok. |
| 14:29.01 | coreyo | during a pvmove operation, the disk that I was copying TO went bad about 85% through the migration. Is there a way to restore the allocation table to before I added the new disk? |
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| 14:30.05 | PaPyRene10 | My samba daemon runs now, I pointed the WINS server in my firewall to the samba machine; how can I find my sons XP in my LAN? |
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| 14:30.30 | asg | PaPyRene10: try smbclient or ask #samba |
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| 14:30.58 | PaPyRene10 | asg: ok |
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| 14:31.44 | sombra | how can I replace: 1<new line>1 with: 2<new line>2? |
| 14:31.49 | sombra | with perl |
| 14:31.56 | asg | sombra: #perl |
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| 14:32.07 | sombra | asg, they aint helping there =) |
| 14:32.17 | asg | sombra: man perlre |
| 14:32.35 | sombra | asg, thanks =) |
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| 14:33.59 | bjb_ | ah... /boot was mounted ro. |
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| 14:35.20 | tchino | i have a java problem, when execute java_program.class, i get the message Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError |
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| 14:35.40 | asg | tchino: the fix your CLASSPATH or ask #java |
| 14:35.41 | thingfish | gosh, it seems so quiet in here this morning. |
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| 14:35.50 | smhar | where can I set the domainname? |
| 14:35.59 | asg | smhar: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 14:36.38 | asg | thingfish: we've found that if we are quiet, fewer tards show up. |
| 14:36.53 | thingfish | hehe asg |
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| 14:37.06 | thingfish | I have a feeling they'll show up anyway, sooner or later. |
| 14:37.11 | thingfish | they always do. |
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| 14:38.25 | smhar | I know about the hostname.. and it has my computer's hostname.. I am asking about the domain name like hostname.domainname |
| 14:38.39 | asg | smhar: set the fqdn in /etc/hosts as the factoid says |
| 14:38.49 | smhar | or hostname@domainname |
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| 14:39.44 | smhar | asg, what is fqdn and factoid |
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| 14:40.25 | asg | !fqdn |
| 14:40.25 | dpkg | it has been said that fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 14:40.32 | asg | !tell smhar about hostname |
| 14:40.55 | asg | smhar: if you want the real skinny, read host.conf(5_ |
| 14:41.00 | asg | s/_/)/ |
| 14:41.16 | tchino | asg: i have download it from sun, and unpack them, now i can execute java in that directory, how can set classpath |
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| 14:41.30 | smhar | thanks asg |
| 14:41.41 | asg | tchino: CLASSPATH=foo java |
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| 14:41.58 | asg | tchino: for anything less trivial, #java can help. |
| 14:42.30 | fab__ | hi |
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| 14:44.16 | fab__ | how is it possible that my dhcp service as client dont load at start up. i have to launch "dhcpclient" every time ( im working at init 2) |
| 14:44.30 | jetscreamer | will i experience any kind of performance hit or anything otherwise negative, running debian in a chrrot env on an rh es-3.0 server? |
| 14:44.34 | asg | fab__: you don't have 'auto <interface>' in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:44.43 | green_ears | hello all |
| 14:44.55 | jetscreamer | errr chroot env |
| 14:45.39 | jetscreamer | s/will/might/ |
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| 14:45.43 | liable | fab__: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 14:46.09 | asg | jetscreamer: the only issue you might have is problems with the kernel and any userland chrooted stuff that accesses the kernel (i.e. modutils) |
| 14:46.14 | tchino | asg: i can't join #java, i don't know why, can you try it |
| 14:46.21 | asg | tchino: try ##java |
| 14:46.23 | jetscreamer | thanks |
| 14:46.26 | fab__ | asg, i have set the /etc/network/interfaces correctly. if i try to launch "ifup -a" it says tha is misconfigured.... |
| 14:46.40 | tchino | asg: the same |
| 14:46.47 | asg | fab__: then it isn't setup correctly. |
| 14:46.56 | jetscreamer | you might need to be authorized |
| 14:46.58 | nanok | fab__, which means that...you havent set it up corectlly.. |
| 14:47.01 | jetscreamer | before /joining |
| 14:47.14 | asg | tchino: /msg nickserv help (identify yourself) |
| 14:47.15 | jetscreamer | authenticated rather |
| 14:47.19 | jetscreamer | that |
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| 14:47.50 | fab__ | asg, infact i have add the network card later. after the installation. have you idea what can i do to fix this problem? |
| 14:48.15 | asg | fab__: did you put the card's module in /etc/modules? |
| 14:48.29 | fab__ | asg, no |
| 14:48.42 | fab__ | asg, i dont knew it |
| 14:48.51 | asg | fab__: then you might need to or the kernel won't know about the card while bringing up interfaces. |
| 14:49.01 | jetscreamer | fab__: you need the module, aka driver, loaded. |
| 14:49.15 | jetscreamer | so put the module name in /etc/modules, or just use modconf |
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| 14:53.00 | plb | heh has anyone seen this http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/random/3ubuntu.jpg |
| 14:53.00 | fab__ | jetscreamer, there is a sort of windows, like base-config or dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 14:53.02 | tchino | i want to show a title by aterm in the title-line, but when i doit, it comes the title and overwrite it with the actual path in the title, what is the reason |
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| 14:53.43 | asg | tchino: check your ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc |
| 14:54.17 | jetscreamer | fab__: do you mean modconf? a blue background? yeah |
| 14:54.34 | gary | nick ice_1963 |
| 14:54.46 | jetscreamer | !pal gary |
| 14:55.06 | jetscreamer | fab__: aka ncurses |
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| 14:56.47 | mortalman | Is there a log kept of what packages are installed and when OR a way to create this log ?? |
| 14:57.17 | asg | mortalman: only if you use aptitude. Otherwise, look at the dates of files in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 14:57.55 | mortalman | asg: aptitude == apt-get ? |
| 14:57.58 | asg | mortalman: no |
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| 14:58.25 | jetscreamer | the way i understand it, aptitude is very different internally |
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| 14:58.48 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 14:58.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 14:59.01 | jetscreamer | a crappy clone of dselect |
| 14:59.23 | jetscreamer | there's also dpkg -l |
| 14:59.51 | mortalman | Yeah, but no times/dates. |
| 15:00.06 | jetscreamer | ppl love aptitude, i'm a minority |
| 15:00.07 | asg | mortalman: you'll have to look at the times of the files in /var/lib/dpkg/info then |
| 15:00.36 | asg | jetscreamer: it installs too much crap automagically for my taste. |
| 15:00.43 | mortalman | asg: Looking now. Looks like my best bet. |
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| 15:00.58 | tchino | asg: that is not problem, i had renamed it and login new on the prompt, but the same is happens |
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| 15:01.04 | asg | mortalman: yeah, I keep meaning to write a utility to do that. |
| 15:01.13 | asg | tchino: renamed what? |
| 15:01.14 | CoNaN_ | hello, some one can tell me how i install the xmms equalizer? plz |
| 15:01.35 | jdhutchin1 | CoNaN_, you just tell xmms to let you view the equalizer. It's already there |
| 15:01.46 | jetscreamer | click the button luke |
| 15:01.52 | CoNaN_ | but, all the band are on 0 |
| 15:01.55 | liable | CoNaN_: it is by default, you playing ogg? |
| 15:02.01 | jetscreamer | krank em up |
| 15:02.18 | ice_1963 | lol |
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| 15:02.25 | flexy | I've got wlan working with ndiswrapper, but I can't figure out how to get the wlan0 interface up at boot. After boot I have to give commands: iwconfig wlan0 essid mywlan ; ifup wlan0 |
| 15:02.29 | CoNaN_ | no, how i do to make some one? |
| 15:02.33 | liable | CoNaN_: I cant remember, but it doesnt work with something.. |
| 15:02.34 | asg | flexy: man 7 wireless |
| 15:02.43 | jdhutchin1 | flexy, man interfaces |
| 15:02.57 | tchino | asg : .bashrc in .bashrc_ and .bash_profile in .bash_profile_ |
| 15:03.24 | asg | tchino: that was stupid. Edit ~/.bashrc and comment out the title setting part. |
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| 15:03.30 | asg | tchino: otherwise, it's going to just use defaults. |
| 15:03.50 | flexy | jdhutchin1: I've tried with "normal" statements, with no luck... asg: I'll look into that |
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| 15:04.04 | Trille | could someone that knows something about raid5 take a look at this http://sial.org/pbot/12619 - Some drives lost power because of bad wiring, and now it's broken, how do i fix this ? |
| 15:04.18 | jdhutchin1 | flexy, yeah, debian has some stuff so that you can automatically set wireless-tools parameters in interfaces |
| 15:04.30 | liable | flexy: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/example/ |
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| 15:04.53 | liable | goddamn, I almost need an alias for that |
| 15:05.15 | liable | write it that many times.. |
| 15:05.21 | tchino | asg: there is nothing with title settings |
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| 15:05.46 | asg | tchino: something that sets PROMPT_COMMAND should be in there |
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| 15:06.36 | flexy | liable: I've got that already, but can't make those examples working with this ndiswrapper wlan pcmcia card... |
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| 15:07.07 | asg | flexy: the example of what stanzas you can add is in wireless(7) |
| 15:08.21 | liable | flexy: quite possible the pcmcia stuff isnt up when ifup gets called at boot, and therefore as asg says.. |
| 15:08.28 | tchino | asg: i can show in #flood |
| 15:08.31 | Trille | could someone that knows something about raid5 take a look at this http://sial.org/pbot/12619 - Some drives lost power because of bad wiring, and now it's broken, how do i fix this ? |
| 15:08.38 | asg | tchino: just use the paster bot |
| 15:08.40 | asg | !paster |
| 15:08.40 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 15:09.18 | tchino | !paster |
| 15:09.18 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 15:10.09 | gniretar | hello my debian crew!!!! |
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| 15:10.19 | liable | hola |
| 15:10.31 | mortalman | hmm, forgot to test quake3. |
| 15:10.32 | liable | jury.. |
| 15:10.46 | Trille | So nobody knows anything at all about raid ? :( cant fsck the partition, the disks are ok, they just need to get fsck'ed or what ever, i think. |
| 15:10.49 | flexy | asg: yes, I see it now... I used to have eth0 with pcmcia card, now my manual attempts to get the wlan working, the wlan adapter comes up as wlan0, not eth0. Is it OK just to add those wireless stanzas to the eth0 statements in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:10.56 | paster | "tchino" at 84.138.161.113 pasted "my .bashrc" (69 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/521 |
| 15:11.02 | liable | !tell PaPyRene10 about away |
| 15:11.19 | tchino | asg: do you that |
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| 15:12.06 | asg | tchino: and you are positive that ~/.bash_profile is sourcing ~/.bashrc (it doesn't by default.) |
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| 15:12.47 | liable | flexy: yes it is, it still may not work on boot, but try and see. |
| 15:12.48 | flexy | well, I'll just boot up and see if that worked or not... |
| 15:12.51 | asg | flexy: well, if eth0 is the wireless interfaces, yes. Otherwise, add them to a wlan0 setup. |
| 15:12.55 | flexy | ok |
| 15:13.02 | tchino | asg: in .bash_profile stands nothing |
| 15:13.18 | flexy | asg, yes, I'm using wireless right now, and it comes up with name wlan0 |
| 15:13.22 | asg | tchino: there is nothing in ~/.bash_profile? |
| 15:13.32 | PaPyRene10 | did I miss something ;-) |
| 15:13.44 | liable | PaPyRene10: please turn that off :) |
| 15:14.01 | tarzeau | !away |
| 15:14.01 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. |
| 15:14.09 | asg | PaPyRene10: if everyone in here did that, we'd never get any convo in. |
| 15:14.21 | PaPyRene10 | sorry |
| 15:14.24 | Trille | omg, please help, i dont want to lose all data on that 450 GB raid5 partition, http://sial.org/pbot/12619 |
| 15:14.32 | flexy | asg: ok, I'll leave the eth0 section intact in case I use the wired net sometimes and try to make the wlan0 section according to man wireless |
| 15:14.44 | asg | flexy: okay |
| 15:14.59 | liable | flexy: remove the auto line though for eth0 (or comment it) |
| 15:15.01 | gniretar | Trille: are u using SoftRAID? |
| 15:15.06 | Trille | yes |
| 15:15.10 | gniretar | ... |
| 15:15.16 | paster | "tchino" at 84.138.161.113 pasted ".bash_profile" (24 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/522 |
| 15:15.18 | gniretar | i hate to say it but that is STUPID |
| 15:15.34 | gniretar | SoftRAID is onlt good for RAID 1 |
| 15:15.51 | fab__ | i add network card.when i installed the system i done by dvd's. now i would like to install this card but when i reboot i have to start "dhclient", otherways i cant use any network. what have i to do? |
| 15:16.03 | flexy | liable: it does not have the auto line... it's pcmcia card and it has been brought up by some other system, perhaps pcmcia stuff... |
| 15:16.11 | asg | tchino: and you logged out and the logged back in? |
| 15:16.19 | Trille | Well it worked just fine for me, until those damn freaking power cables failed, so some drives kept turning off on, until it was fucked |
| 15:16.25 | JohnnyST | when will Quake 3 be in debian? :) |
| 15:16.35 | tarzeau | JohnnyST: go package it yourself |
| 15:16.39 | gniretar | Trille: i dont know how to fix it but i recommend that you get a hardware card if you wanna RAID 5 or RAID 0. |
| 15:16.39 | asg | JohnnyST: when someone packages it |
| 15:16.49 | idnar | JohnnyST: when someone creates a free media set for it |
| 15:16.58 | xoz | how can i have core file generated when i have segmentation fault |
| 15:17.03 | idnar | quake3 engine by itself isn't terribly useful |
| 15:17.06 | tarzeau | xoz: look at ulimit |
| 15:17.21 | asg | xoz: help ulimit |
| 15:17.27 | Trille | well i tryed to fsck /dev/hdc1 witch is the one with the problem, but im afraid to let it fix the errors, if it wont work in the raid afterwards because of it |
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| 15:17.44 | xoz | asg: i have ulimit set to unlimited but still got no core files |
| 15:18.00 | tarzeau | Trille: you sure have a backup, no? |
| 15:18.14 | gniretar | Trille: that really sucks. The beauty of RAID 5, however is that you can rebuild a disk. |
| 15:18.15 | asg | xoz: ulimit -c is set to unlimited? |
| 15:18.29 | Trille | haha, backup of 2 raid partions on 450 gb and 600 gb ? :) sure i have, NOT |
| 15:18.31 | gniretar | Trille: isnt that the reason ur using RAID 5 opposed to 0? |
| 15:18.47 | Trille | yes it is why :) |
| 15:18.52 | tarzeau | Trille: hehe, we also have that large workstations, and yes we do have backups, heh |
| 15:18.57 | gniretar | Trille: Then forget about fixing it and reguild the partition |
| 15:19.05 | fab__ | does exist something to set up the network card like "base-config" ? |
| 15:19.08 | gniretar | rebuild* |
| 15:19.14 | tarzeau | fab__: $EDITOR |
| 15:19.15 | asg | fab__: netconfig |
| 15:19.31 | Trille | ok, you know anything about how to do that ? |
| 15:19.33 | xoz | asg: ah, ok. it works now. thanks. |
| 15:19.50 | fab__ | does exist something to set up the network card at init 2 like "base-config" ? |
| 15:20.12 | asg | fab__: what debian version? |
| 15:20.15 | gniretar | Trille: Sorry, i have no idea. It shouldnt be too hard. can you still boot? |
| 15:20.27 | gniretar | Trille: at work we use all hardware RAID cards |
| 15:20.28 | Trille | yes it can boot |
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| 15:20.40 | gniretar | it should be in the RAID tools |
| 15:20.56 | asg | !info network-console-config |
| 15:21.01 | fab__ | asg, the latest stable with 2.6 kernel |
| 15:21.02 | dpkg | network-console-config: (Debian base system configurator - network console), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.13 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 15:21.08 | asg | fab__: ^^^ |
| 15:21.18 | Trille | ok, thanks, ill take a look :) (wiping the tears away) |
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| 15:21.32 | flexy | did not work |
| 15:22.00 | liable | flexy: can you ifup wlan0? |
| 15:22.06 | tchino | asg: yes! |
| 15:22.23 | fab__ | dpkg, i have not network-console-config |
| 15:22.24 | loukoum | I just installed sarge, x works well except the mice, how do I re-run the seting up of x ? |
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| 15:22.41 | liable | !drxx loukoum |
| 15:22.42 | dpkg | loukoum: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:22.42 | flexy | yes, that is the way I get it up after boot, I do iwconfig wlan0 essid myessid ; ifup wlan0 |
| 15:23.00 | streuner | loukoum: USB? |
| 15:23.05 | flexy | liable: and I'm using it right now, it just won't come up after boot without me raising it |
| 15:23.17 | liable | flexy: no, if your interfaces file is right, you should be able to do ifup wlan0 |
| 15:23.37 | liable | flexy: and thats it, no iwconfig stuff |
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| 15:23.42 | loukoum | thanks dpkg, it is the commad I ws looking for (but forgot ...) |
| 15:23.56 | flexy | liable: well, it does not work... |
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| 15:24.11 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 15:24.11 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 15:24.14 | liable | flexy: well, your interfaces file isnt right then.. :) |
| 15:24.16 | tchino | asg: do you have an other idea |
| 15:24.18 | flexy | liable: me so stupid, me get no righ magic in the file ;) |
| 15:24.42 | fab__ | if necessary, i can download some package. remember that i can work only at init2 (runlevel 2) |
| 15:24.47 | streuner | loukoum: again, are you using a USB mouse? |
| 15:24.58 | mortalman | doh!, no sound in quake3. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 15:25.02 | gniretar | dpkg, hows your momma? |
| 15:25.11 | paster | "tchino" at 84.138.161.113 pasted ".bash_profile" (24 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/523 |
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| 15:25.22 | liable | flexy: iirc, even if it is right ifup gets called before the pcmcia stuff is done, there must be a way around it, but I havent ever done it so.. |
| 15:25.24 | flexy | liable: well, here is my interfaces file (well, the part with wlan0 in it) and it's not too long to paste... iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 15:25.26 | gniretar | mortalman, got an error message for us |
| 15:25.27 | gniretar | ? |
| 15:25.28 | flexy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.31 | flexy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.35 | liable | no |
| 15:25.37 | streuner | !say gniretar, no your buisness ;-) |
| 15:25.38 | dpkg | gniretar, no your buisness ;-) |
| 15:25.46 | AciD | I have some problems with unresolved symbols in libGLcore.a. I tried to "apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg", but it doesn't change anything. here is all the info : http://rafb.net/paste/results/eJCgS632.html |
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| 15:26.00 | tachs | buenas |
| 15:26.01 | gniretar | msg dpkg fuck |
| 15:26.02 | tachs | tardes |
| 15:26.07 | mortalman | gniretar: Nope, just no sound. If I kill esd I get sound at the main menu, but not in-game. |
| 15:26.09 | tachs | alguno habeis probado el doom3 |
| 15:26.18 | streuner | !es |
| 15:26.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:26.23 | gniretar | tried starting it from a console |
| 15:26.27 | tachs | ok |
| 15:26.27 | gniretar | and looking at messages? |
| 15:26.37 | asg | tchino: you did move ~/.bashrc_ back to ~/.bashrc didn't you? |
| 15:26.40 | flexy | liable: perhaps it's that then... and cause I used pcmcia eth card before, the pcmcia stuff worked the thing up correctly... now because I'm using ndiswrapper wlan card, pcmcia stuff does not know about that wlan card, so it does not do it's magic... |
| 15:27.04 | tchino | asg: yes |
| 15:27.18 | loukoum | I have a lapop with the pad as mice, what mouse port should I chose ? |
| 15:27.25 | LokeDK | Hi. I'm trying to boot sarge install with floppys, since the computer i want to install it on doesn't support cd-boot.. i insert the boot disk and start up.. i get debian boot screen.. then I insert the root disk and push enter.. but it says it can't find linux kernel image |
| 15:27.28 | asg | tchino: then I don't know. Try setting PROMPT_COMMAND and exporting it with whatever you want in the title and see if that works. |
| 15:27.45 | liable | flexy: i dunno, I dont do pcmcia, but anyway, ifup should work after, and if not your interfaces file isnt right. |
| 15:27.56 | liable | after boot |
| 15:28.13 | asg | loukoum: usually /dev/psaux |
| 15:28.13 | dvs | LokeDK: redo the root disk |
| 15:28.27 | LokeDK | dvs, i've tried.. keeps on saying it |
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| 15:28.42 | flexy | liable: right... any comments where should I put ifup wlan0 to get it up automatically? (after I get the interfaces file right, ofcourse) |
| 15:28.47 | dvs | LokeDK: rewrite the root disk with another floppy |
| 15:29.01 | asg | flexy: did you add 'auto wlan0' in /etc/networking/interfaces also? |
| 15:29.02 | liable | flexy: try it with static ip and see if it makes a difference, just for ifup. |
| 15:29.05 | loukoum | asg: just tred that, does not seams to work ... |
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| 15:29.15 | LokeDK | dvs, Okay I'll try.. thanks |
| 15:29.21 | asg | loukoum: did you choose IMPS/2 as the protocol? |
| 15:29.24 | flexy | asg: oh, that I missed... :/ |
| 15:29.33 | flexy | liable: will try that too |
| 15:29.33 | Magnus-swe | GPL Quake 3 Arena Source Released, you can also get it here: http://pkgspider.dynalias.org/Quake_3_Arena_GPL_Source/quake3-1.32b-source.zip |
| 15:29.46 | mortalman | gniretar: Is says it can't find some sound files and it is using the defaults..... this is without esd running. With esd running, I get nothing. |
| 15:29.54 | liable | flexy: iface wlan0 inet static; add 192.blah; gateway blah etc.. |
| 15:30.23 | gniretar | mortalman: copy and paste errors in |
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| 15:30.29 | elephantman | What tool is used to reformat the hdd ? |
| 15:30.36 | flexy | liable: right. I'll boot up and see what happens |
| 15:30.40 | dvs | elephantman: mkfs |
| 15:30.41 | gniretar | mortalman: when you compiled did you tall it what sould system to use? |
| 15:30.42 | asg | elephantman: you just create a new filesystem over the top of an old one. |
| 15:30.52 | mortalman | gniretar: Hmm, didn't know I could copy and paste from quake3, but I'll try. |
| 15:30.57 | gniretar | mortalman: sound* Also, do you use OSS or ALSA? |
| 15:31.00 | elephantman | dvs: ok thanx |
| 15:31.07 | elephantman | asg: thanx |
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| 15:31.36 | mortalman | gniretar: Didn't compile. I just downloaded the latest point release. |
| 15:31.55 | jetscreamer | i never noticed mkfs erasing any data when i 'reformat' a partition |
| 15:32.09 | jetscreamer | which is weird |
| 15:32.17 | gniretar | moratlman well, i've never used quake3 for Linux. perhaps try custom compiling? |
| 15:33.21 | mortalman | gniretar: What's throwing me off is the fact that I have audio on the main menu, but not in the game. Really weird. |
| 15:33.59 | jetscreamer | mortalman: you get more error info if you start it in an xterm |
| 15:34.09 | gniretar | mortalman: Almost sounds like its an issue with your quake config. Not a soundsystem issue. |
| 15:34.20 | gniretar | already told him that' |
| 15:34.26 | mortalman | jetscreamer: That thought has 'just' crossed my mind. |
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| 15:35.13 | catlee | Hey - can anybody recommend a well-supported (and inexpensive!) 802.11g pcmcia card that I can get working in debian without too much pain? |
| 15:35.16 | Chung | hi |
| 15:35.34 | jetscreamer | quake3 runs just fine for me with oss. i haven't run it under alsa. (/me doesn't use oss anymore either) |
| 15:35.57 | tchino | how can i install java on debian sarge |
| 15:35.59 | gniretar | I always use ALSA with OSS emulation' |
| 15:36.03 | asg | tchino: /msg dpkg install java |
| 15:36.25 | dvs | !java-package |
| 15:36.25 | dpkg | [java-package] the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package).only in sarge and sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in woody. This packages lives in 'contrib', so make sure you have that in your sources.list. apt-get ... |
| 15:36.32 | CyzarX | hello everybody. anybody has a notebook hdd with a case and a usb interface? the purpose i want this is that, i can read write in both windows and linux. is that possible ? |
| 15:36.39 | jetscreamer | maybe that alsa oss compat module isn't loaded |
| 15:36.51 | gniretar | that could be |
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| 15:36.56 | tachs | hello |
| 15:37.00 | asg | CyzarX: ENOPARSE |
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| 15:37.11 | gniretar | i dont have issues like taht cuz i custom compile all my ekrnels and domt make modules out of ALSA |
| 15:37.12 | CyzarX | asg, enoparse? |
| 15:37.14 | tachs | somebody had prove doom3 |
| 15:37.19 | gniretar | just compile right in static |
| 15:37.29 | dvs | CyzarX: With NTFS it's not recommended |
| 15:37.42 | asg | CyzarX: it means what you said doesn't make a lot of sense. |
| 15:37.47 | tachs | hello |
| 15:37.54 | Chung | exit |
| 15:37.57 | idnar | what does being a -all package have to do with being safe to use in woody? *shakes head* |
| 15:38.04 | CyzarX | asg, huh ? |
| 15:38.14 | asg | *plonk* |
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| 15:38.17 | CyzarX | dvs, is that any solution for that ? |
| 15:38.26 | jetscreamer | interesting note, a major kernel module(not sure which) loads the genrtc module on_boot, BEFORE /etc/modules is read, which borks loading rtc, which borks snd-rtctimer |
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| 15:38.35 | dvs | CyzarX: What do you mean? |
| 15:38.44 | tachs | somebody play domm3 |
| 15:38.57 | jetscreamer | d3 runs on linux if that's what you want to know |
| 15:39.14 | CyzarX | dvs, nvm |
| 15:39.17 | tachs | yes i have a probleme |
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| 15:39.43 | tachs | i install correctly but to star want the cd key and i put it but dont run |
| 15:39.53 | jetscreamer | my workaround was to rename the genrtc.ko and make a symlink named genrtc.ko that points at rtc.ko |
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| 15:40.32 | tachs | jetscreamer |
| 15:40.36 | mortalman | gniretar: ^3WARNING: could not find sound/player/announce/UnnamedPlayer.wav - using default |
| 15:40.36 | mortalman | ^3WARNING: could not find sound/player/crash/taunt.wav - using default |
| 15:41.04 | jetscreamer | tachs: no idea, and this isn't the place for that specific problem dude... no idea where to send you either. |
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| 15:41.14 | jetscreamer | mortalman: that's usual iirc |
| 15:41.16 | gniretar | moratlman: it cant find the sound file |
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| 15:41.49 | gniretar | mortalman but unless your are getting a shitload of errors it prolly isnt the cause of the issue] |
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| 15:42.25 | flexy | YES, now it works... both dhcp and static way. The keys to get it working was "man wireless" and auto wlan0 to interfaces file |
| 15:42.49 | mortalman | Strange that it wouldn't be able to load those sounds... I mean. Aren't they in the pak files? |
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| 15:43.44 | tchino | asg: but how can to execute java with java-package |
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| 15:44.06 | asg | tchino: well, you build a deb from the sun jdk .bin file, dpkg -i it, and then run '/usr/bin/java' |
| 15:44.27 | roman | I am new to debian, how do I find out what a debian package is called? eg. I want to instal freetype, but using apt-get install freetype says that freetype is not found, so how do I find out what the debain package name is? |
| 15:44.38 | asg | roman: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:44.44 | tchino | asg: i have download it, how can i build a deb-file from them |
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| 15:45.08 | asg | tchino: man make-jpkg |
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| 15:46.20 | asg | tchino: if you want the breastfeeding instructions, /msg dpkg java-package howto |
| 15:46.28 | roman | thanks |
| 15:46.30 | jetscreamer | roman: packages.debian.org |
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| 15:46.48 | liable | !breastfeed me |
| 15:47.06 | eigenlambda | !breastfeed ChanServ |
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| 15:47.29 | smhar | uys go and fetch the quake3 arena source and start shootin |
| 15:47.58 | jetscreamer | it's open source now so why compile it, just install it |
| 15:48.03 | tchino | asg: when i do make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin, i get a message: fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin, which will allow no damage to be done to your system files and still permit the Java distribution to successfully extract. |
| 15:48.12 | gniretar | !breastfeed everyone |
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| 15:48.23 | asg | tchino: and then did you type 'fakeroot make-jpkg ...'? |
| 15:48.36 | dvs | tchino: so....? |
| 15:48.40 | jetscreamer | i heard tell fakeroot has a bug, but it may be sid |
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| 15:48.49 | tchino | the same message |
| 15:48.55 | dvs | *plonk* |
| 15:49.02 | CHaiS | hi |
| 15:49.03 | asg | jetscreamer: if he's running sid, I'm going to point and laugh |
| 15:49.09 | tchino | dvs: asg: the same message |
| 15:49.16 | jetscreamer | !dbugs fakeroot |
| 15:49.18 | dpkg | do_pkg not supported yet. |
| 15:49.26 | jetscreamer | woohoo! |
| 15:49.32 | gniretar | hey, sid rocks |
| 15:49.34 | gniretar | i'm running sid |
| 15:49.40 | tchino | !dbugs fakeroot |
| 15:49.41 | dpkg | do_pkg not supported yet. |
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| 15:49.54 | jetscreamer | bugs.debian.org |
| 15:50.21 | tchino | asg: but you can installed it by hand |
| 15:50.25 | gniretar | !dpkg fart asg |
| 15:50.31 | jetscreamer | also, apt-file doesn't seem to depend on curl in etch |
| 15:50.37 | childabuse | hi I just tried to install klineakconfig via synaptic and it somehow removed almost all packages on my knoppix system. i dont even have a file-browser (konquorer) no more. Is there any possibility to reinstall all this stuff with my knoppix cd or anything??? PLZ HELP ME! (btw im a bloody beginner |
| 15:50.39 | jetscreamer | even though it should |
| 15:50.40 | tchino | asg: and then you must set the claspath from hand |
| 15:50.49 | asg | tchino: yes, unpack it, install it in /usr/local, make symlinks, create a deb package from equivs to provide the required bits. |
| 15:50.58 | smhar | jetscreamer, cus no binary yet |
| 15:51.03 | jetscreamer | !knoppix |
| 15:51.03 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
| 15:51.31 | asg | gniretar: do you remember the glorious lg bug? |
| 15:51.33 | childabuse | hm k |
| 15:51.35 | tchino | asg: but i don't know the symlinks |
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| 15:51.52 | childabuse | but everyody say its based on debian n stuff? |
| 15:51.54 | gniretar | asg: no, when/what was it? |
| 15:51.58 | tchino | asg: what you mean with xreate a deb package from equivs |
| 15:52.08 | asg | gniretar: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=155873 |
| 15:52.09 | gniretar | childabuse: it isbut it is HEAVILY modified |
| 15:52.13 | dvs | !based on |
| 15:52.21 | childabuse | kk |
| 15:52.31 | asg | tchino: use make-jpkg. |
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| 15:53.02 | gniretar | asg: why are u telling me this? |
| 15:53.25 | jetscreamer | iirc i used the java.debs from tuxsomething.org |
| 15:53.31 | asg | gniretar: 'hey, sid rocks. i'm running sid' Many people like to run sid and then come in here pissing and moaning that their shit broke. |
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| 15:53.48 | dvs | asg: then I !pal them |
| 15:53.55 | asg | dvs: yes after the larting |
| 15:54.00 | smhar | were is grub config file located? |
| 15:54.06 | asg | smhar: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 15:54.47 | tchino | asg: i think we move us in a circle, you read my error messages befor, where i do fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin |
| 15:55.11 | asg | tchino: and you are running sarge |
| 15:55.17 | LokeDK | dvs, still won't work |
| 15:55.43 | asg | tchino: and you have installed 'fakeroot' and 'java-package' |
| 15:55.46 | smhar | asg, is it thesame as what gentoo referes to as /boot/grub/grub.conf? |
| 15:56.04 | asg | smhar: yes |
| 15:56.21 | tchino | asg: i installed debian testing |
| 15:56.22 | dvs | LokeDK: I thought you were suppose to boot off of the rescue disk first. |
| 15:56.32 | jetscreamer | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=fakeroot&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable |
| 15:56.34 | asg | tchino: you said you had sarge, sarge is stable. |
| 15:56.52 | tchino | oh, sorry a have sarge |
| 15:57.01 | LokeDK | dvs, i just have boot.img, cd-drivers.img, net-drivers.img, root.img ... I'm not performing a net-install since there's no net on that computer yet |
| 15:57.11 | asg | tchino: when was the last time you upgraded? |
| 15:57.31 | tchino | asg: since a day |
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| 15:57.50 | asg | tchino: and you have the words 'sarge' or 'stable' in /etc/apt/sources.list and not, say, 'testing'? |
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| 15:59.11 | tchino | deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main in sources.list |
| 15:59.33 | tchino | asg: is very difficult... |
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| 15:59.48 | tchino | asg: ...the java-problem |
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| 16:00.26 | knt | what's the function of /tmp/.ICE-unix |
| 16:00.28 | yacoob | kdelibs in unstable broken? |
| 16:00.41 | gniretar | yea it is |
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| 16:00.46 | gniretar | i just tried upgrading |
| 16:00.57 | gniretar | the rest of the packages havent cought up |
| 16:01.03 | gniretar | to 3.4 from 3.3 |
| 16:01.04 | yacoob | Blah. |
| 16:01.18 | yacoob | Not really using kde, just wanted to check out tellico... |
| 16:01.26 | gniretar | dont worry, u'l still get it before testing does |
| 16:01.32 | gniretar | i lvoe my KDE |
| 16:01.36 | gniretar | love* |
| 16:01.56 | parityflag | hello. could somebody recommend me a program to easily edit&store(encrypted!) passwords, names, email-adresses etc.? |
| 16:02.52 | tchino | on my client, there i have j2se 1.4 |
| 16:03.10 | parityflag | there is a lot such information lying around here on memos, I think that's not a good idea |
| 16:03.23 | flexy | is there a way to get the wlan interface up automatically, after I have wondered out of the wlan range and back again? |
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| 16:03.40 | LokeDK | dvs, oh and I used rawwritewin |
| 16:04.32 | jetscreamer | rawrite ? |
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| 16:04.55 | dvs | LokeDK: I never used rawwritewin |
| 16:05.00 | Donno459 | how can i set a http proxy address to apt-get ? |
| 16:05.42 | asg | flexy: waproamd (ymmv) |
| 16:06.05 | LokeDK | dvs, well it's on the cd.. so it should work |
| 16:06.13 | asg | Donno459: man 5 apt.conf |
| 16:06.49 | Donno459 | okay got a feeling i don't have man thou |
| 16:06.58 | dvs | LokeDK: I guess so. When I used floppied to do the install a long time ago, it was almost always the floppy itself that gave the most trouble |
| 16:07.00 | asg | Donno459: you'd better |
| 16:07.17 | flexy | asg: OK, I'll try waproamd, thanks |
| 16:07.33 | asg | Donno459: if not, apt-get install man-db |
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| 16:07.40 | Donno459 | okay |
| 16:07.53 | LokeDK | dvs, yeah.. but would be very weird if two different floppys are broken.. and i've formatted them.. without getting errors |
| 16:08.13 | dvs | LokeDK: I've gone through four of them until I found one that worked. |
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| 16:09.19 | LokeDK | dvs, damn.. well it's like the boot thing doesn't even check the floppy? because i don't hear or see it check.. it does says the error |
| 16:10.11 | LokeDK | and if I push enter while the boot.img disk is in.. it tells me to put in another disk.. and I do that.. it says the disk is not bootable.. but again.. i don't hear it check the disk |
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| 16:10.50 | Donno459 | well ever add it to the apt.conf or enivoment varible $http_proxy |
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| 16:11.40 | gniretar | i finally got my dual montor setup working |
| 16:11.46 | gniretar | it seriously kicks ass |
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| 16:11.54 | dvs | !beer gniretar |
| 16:12.18 | gniretar | !thank dvs |
| 16:12.41 | gniretar | crap, now do i trach dpkg to respond to 'thank'? |
| 16:13.11 | gniretar | teach* |
| 16:13.22 | eigenlambda | !beer dpkg |
| 16:13.34 | gniretar | !teach |
| 16:13.35 | dpkg | give a man a fish and he eats for a night. teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime. |
| 16:13.47 | eigenlambda | !teach |
| 16:13.49 | tarzeau | how would that |
| 16:14.01 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.04 | dpkg | give a man a fish and he eats for a night. teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime. |
| 16:14.04 | eigenlambda | !teach tarzeau |
| 16:14.07 | mihai_ | i need to make an .iso from a bunch of files in a folder (all of them) is there any short way to do this ? |
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| 16:14.15 | asg | !thank gniretar |
| 16:14.18 | tarzeau | mihai_: mkisofs |
| 16:14.23 | tarzeau | mihai_: www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ |
| 16:14.37 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: selam aleyküm |
| 16:14.39 | asg | gniretar: /msg dpkg help |
| 16:14.45 | mihai_ | isn't this possible with a plain unix command ? |
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| 16:14.52 | eigenlambda | !topicsmite dpkg |
| 16:14.52 | tarzeau | mihai_: yes, with mkisofs |
| 16:14.53 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon dpkg. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 16:15.05 | dvs | mihai_: mkisofs is a plain UNIX command |
| 16:15.07 | DeadLine | hi, anyone running a teamspeak2 server on linux? |
| 16:15.21 | Donno459 | how would i go about seeting enivorment varible $http_proxy/ftp_proxy?? set blah = blah or something else? |
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| 16:15.32 | tarzeau | !poll DeadLine |
| 16:15.33 | eigenlambda | blah=blah |
| 16:15.38 | eigenlambda | is bash syntax |
| 16:15.42 | pulaski | hello |
| 16:15.42 | tarzeau | Donno459: depends on the shell |
| 16:15.48 | Donno459 | okay |
| 16:15.50 | DeadLine | tarzeau: ? |
| 16:15.54 | eigenlambda | setenv blah blah |
| 16:15.54 | mihai_ | tarzeau, ok what would be the option to make an .iso from a folder with mkisofs ? |
| 16:15.56 | tarzeau | !poll |
| 16:15.56 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 16:15.57 | Donno459 | okay |
| 16:15.58 | eigenlambda | is csh syntax |
| 16:16.04 | tarzeau | mihai_: read the url i pasted |
| 16:16.04 | Donno459 | using bash |
| 16:16.16 | eigenlambda | yea everybody does |
| 16:16.35 | eigenlambda | !ask |
| 16:16.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask a question, or ask if people use something. Your question is being answered by a volunteer; make it easy for volunteers to give you an answer. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:16.48 | eigenlambda | !bad polls |
| 16:16.48 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! |
| 16:17.08 | DeadLine | pff, tarzeau i guess there aren't a lot of people running ts in here. ok: how can i make teamspeak listen on a specific address? |
| 16:17.10 | eigenlambda | aww |
| 16:17.23 | tarzeau | DeadLine: WTF is ts? |
| 16:17.26 | eigenlambda | i was hoping bad polls would list some spectacularly bad polls |
| 16:17.28 | Donno459 | team speak |
| 16:17.30 | tarzeau | DeadLine: is it free software? |
| 16:17.33 | pulaski | has anyone experienced any problems with their display manager after the most recent security updates? |
| 16:17.33 | eigenlambda | instead of why polls are bad |
| 16:17.36 | tarzeau | Donno459: WTF IS TEAM SPEAK? |
| 16:17.38 | DeadLine | tarzeau: teamspeak and yes its free |
| 16:17.50 | eigenlambda | like, anybody here use Gnome? |
| 16:17.54 | tarzeau | it's not apt-get install'able |
| 16:17.57 | tarzeau | so POST URL! |
| 16:17.58 | tarzeau | MORONS |
| 16:18.09 | Donno459 | talk to people (vocie over ip) - games mainly use it ( battlefield 2,and team games etc) |
| 16:18.09 | tarzeau | eigenlambda: who cares? |
| 16:18.10 | DeadLine | tarzeau: if you don't know it, why do you answer with a !poll ? |
| 16:18.22 | pulaski | yes eigenlambda I do but I'm experiencing problems |
| 16:18.28 | tarzeau | DeadLine: because clearly someone was polling and i meant !polls |
| 16:18.30 | asg | eigenlambda: /msg dpkg qotd133 |
| 16:18.31 | eigenlambda | heh |
| 16:18.42 | eigenlambda | i was giving an example of a potentially bad poll |
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| 16:18.53 | tarzeau | FUCKING DAMNED WEEKENDS .. and bad weather. i hate it so much |
| 16:19.04 | DeadLine | tarzeau: will that mean, that only packages from the apt resource are supported in here? |
| 16:19.07 | eigenlambda | whats wrong with a weekend? |
| 16:19.19 | asg | eigenlambda: /msg dpkg qotd129 |
| 16:19.22 | tarzeau | DeadLine: from main, it's fine if you ask one. but repeating is so damned fucking annoying |
| 16:19.32 | asg | eigenlambda: that's when the tards and stupids flock to #debian |
| 16:19.36 | DeadLine | tarzeau: have i been repeating? |
| 16:19.41 | tarzeau | DeadLine: accept no answer as , nobody knows/cares. dont REPEAT the question ever within the 8 hours |
| 16:19.44 | eigenlambda | lol |
| 16:19.49 | eigenlambda | wow |
| 16:20.00 | DeadLine | tarzeau: have i been fucking repeating? |
| 16:20.13 | eigenlambda | ill repeatedly fuck your mom |
| 16:20.15 | tarzeau | DeadLine: yes you fucking have |
| 16:20.28 | tarzeau | DeadLine: you've FUCKING REPEATED YOUR DAMNED QUESTION |
| 16:20.53 | DeadLine | tarzeau: no i didn't, scroll up or wake up |
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| 16:21.04 | tarzeau | DeadLine: i just did scroll up |
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| 16:21.21 | AciD | any idea why I can't create an initrd with the cmd "/sbin/lvmcreate_initrd 2.6.12.5" which output this : "No program "lvmcreate_initrd" found for your current version of LVM" ? |
| 16:21.25 | DeadLine | tarzeau: ok paste my double post on /msg then please |
| 16:21.50 | riot | how can i teach squid to look into /etc/hosts before asking some dns? it seems to ignore nsswitch.. |
| 16:22.08 | asg | riot: have you asked #squid? |
| 16:22.21 | eigenlambda | ill double-post your mom's pics on usenet |
| 16:22.28 | DeadLine | tarzeau: thats one, where is the second? |
| 16:22.39 | riot | asg: not yet, no. kk. i'm bugging them instead.. |
| 16:22.47 | tarzeau | DeadLine: that's two lines |
| 16:23.00 | DeadLine | tarzeau: these are 2 different questions. tho i corrected my question for your taste, because you !polled me |
| 16:23.13 | DeadLine | tarzeau: like i said, wake up kid |
| 16:23.42 | eigenlambda | ill use a poll to ! your mom |
| 16:23.44 | asg | !qotd88 |
| 16:23.44 | dpkg | < quadrata> debiant: well, I want to run aol on debian, but my cd only works in windows < quadrata> I'll brb, I gotta get some fruitcake. Hope you guys will help me with the aol soon. |
| 16:23.46 | asg | eigenlambda: ^^ |
| 16:23.54 | riot | ah, and why does my isdn-fritzcard work fine on stock 2.4.18 kernel but not on stock 2.6.11? |
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| 16:24.08 | eigenlambda | lol |
| 16:24.13 | eigenlambda | wow |
| 16:24.19 | eigenlambda | aolusers find debian |
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| 16:24.27 | drac | riot: amazing details.. congratulations :) |
| 16:24.34 | asg | eigenlambda: you can view the lot in handy fortune file source format at (http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc-qotd.fortune) |
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| 16:24.53 | sNuF | Hello |
| 16:25.21 | riot | drac: well, almost as much as isdnutils told me. Very communicative software. |
| 16:25.26 | hacim | has anyone gotten bzflag to work under xorg? When I try to start it I get a glx error |
| 16:25.57 | robertj | what's the status of the copyright of a non-attributed licence carrying no copyright notice? |
| 16:25.58 | tarzeau | DeadLine: where's the source to teamspeak? |
| 16:26.15 | tarzeau | DeadLine: THAT CRAP IS NOT FREE SOFTWARE, IDIOT |
| 16:26.30 | riot | drac: thing is, i didn't touch _any_ configuration, so i guess it has something to do with "obsolete" modules or alike |
| 16:26.39 | orchid | hacim: it builds for me. whats the error? |
| 16:26.46 | DeadLine | tarzeau: the source is not open you morron, and it IS free you lameass |
| 16:26.52 | hacim | orchid: its not that it doesn't build, it doesn't run |
| 16:27.02 | riot | DeadLine: no. it is non-free |
| 16:27.05 | shingouz | DeadLine: unless the source is available it is not free |
| 16:27.07 | tarzeau | DeadLine: Free Software always comes with source, moron! |
| 16:27.08 | DeadLine | tarzeau: and now stfu and +o yourself and kick me if you want |
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| 16:27.19 | DeadLine | tarzeau: lol! |
| 16:27.23 | tarzeau | DeadLine: i would have done on the 2nd sentence from you, if i was op |
| 16:27.25 | hacim | orchid: I get: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" |
| 16:27.29 | drac | riot: perhaps, or maybe driver name changed..? modconf is nice tool for browsing them. |
| 16:27.30 | eigenlambda | hey DeadLine, try reading http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html |
| 16:27.31 | hacim | orchid: Could not set Video Mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual. |
| 16:27.32 | DeadLine | tarzeau: thats why you install precompiled binaries right? |
| 16:27.33 | riot | DeadLine: inform yourself about terms like "free" and "non-free" - what you seem to know is bullshit. |
| 16:27.34 | DeadLine | hahaha |
| 16:27.48 | shingouz | *plonk* |
| 16:27.52 | DeadLine | riot: yes i know bullshit |
| 16:27.53 | tarzeau | DeadLine: i want to see you compile kernels on a sparc classic |
| 16:27.57 | DeadLine | im a noob |
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| 16:28.03 | tarzeau | DeadLine: no you're an idiot |
| 16:28.07 | riot | drac: yes, i have the card up and running - but isdnutils seem to have some weird problem.. |
| 16:28.11 | eigenlambda | DeadLine: most noobs are nice |
| 16:28.17 | DeadLine | tarzeau: i compile my kernel for breakfast |
| 16:28.25 | tarzeau | DeadLine: SHUT THE FUCK UP |
| 16:28.26 | eigenlambda | your a jackass who doesn't know what the free in freenode is about |
| 16:28.38 | DeadLine | tarzeau: yeh, kick me mr. binary |
| 16:28.40 | riot | tarzeau: please stop screaming around so unpolitely. |
| 16:28.47 | eigenlambda | and your mom is ESR's ho |
| 16:28.50 | dvs | eigenlambda: You mean I don't have to pay?!? ;-) |
| 16:29.10 | DeadLine | eigenlambda: you talking to me? |
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| 16:29.17 | eigenlambda | DeadLine: i guess |
| 16:29.19 | eigenlambda | kinda |
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| 16:29.27 | eigenlambda | i mean, probably |
| 16:29.28 | Fendor | So. Anyone having problems with KDE in unstable? |
| 16:29.28 | DeadLine | eigenlambda: kkkind |
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| 16:29.43 | riot | asg: #squid is sleeping. how wonderful. |
| 16:29.47 | shingouz | Fendor: yes. everyone does. check the bugs |
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| 16:30.12 | Zotnix | Hey, I know it isn't a supported option but I am trying to force install a package via dpkg. I used --force-depends and it installs. apt-get however doesn't allow any operation when the conflicting package is in. Anyway to make it be quiet about the package? |
| 16:30.48 | shingouz | Zotnix: i can see a borked system in your near ffuture |
| 16:30.51 | orchid | hacim: client version? |
| 16:30.59 | eigenlambda | Zotnix: forcing things can lead to borkage |
| 16:31.11 | Zotnix | shingouz: It's a non-critical package. It does work. It's a plugin for gaim. |
| 16:31.13 | Fendor | shingouz, Hm. kdelibs4, kdelibs-bin and kde show no meaningful bugs. |
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| 16:31.39 | eigenlambda | Zotnix: sure you couldn't have just put it in /usr/local/lib or something? |
| 16:31.41 | shingouz | Fendor: you run Sid. Sid borks systems |
| 16:31.56 | hacim | orchid: 2.0.2.20050318-0.1 |
| 16:32.00 | eigenlambda | sid hasn't borked my system |
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| 16:32.06 | eigenlambda | in over a year |
| 16:32.10 | dvs | eigenlambda: yet... |
| 16:32.17 | eigenlambda | in a year and a half |
| 16:32.18 | shingouz | eigenlambda: just wait |
| 16:32.24 | eigenlambda | hm |
| 16:32.32 | Fendor | shingouz, True. But that's not a viable technical explanation regarding the KDE problem. :) |
| 16:32.37 | dvs | we'll get you yet! ;-) |
| 16:32.57 | orchid | hacim: hmm and what video driver? |
| 16:32.59 | shingouz | Fendor: your question was not a viable question either. you just polled who uses KDE on unstable |
| 16:33.07 | LokeDK | dvs, the 4th floppy didn't work either.. and i've tried to redownload the image... It's a IBM PC Server 415 |
| 16:33.10 | LokeDK | 315* |
| 16:33.12 | eigenlambda | well, i install bleeding edge software in ~/program-root |
| 16:33.27 | eigenlambda | and don't ever force anything |
| 16:33.33 | Xenguy | eigenlambda: apt-listbugs can be a handy tool when running SID |
| 16:33.34 | hacim | orchid: nv |
| 16:33.35 | cn | where i set configuration of wifi card to have it at reboot up? |
| 16:33.45 | eigenlambda | Xenguy: oh yea, and use that |
| 16:33.48 | dvs | LokeDK: I dont know what it could be then. |
| 16:33.49 | shingouz | LokeDK: what happens with the floppy? |
| 16:33.57 | Xenguy | eigenlambda: I was very happy to discover that :-) |
| 16:33.59 | eigenlambda | apt-listbugs should be mandatory for sid |
| 16:34.07 | Fendor | shingouz, Specifically, I was asking whether anyone has encountered a problem with their KDE on Sid. |
| 16:34.11 | eigenlambda | or at least, you should have to manually turn it off |
| 16:34.12 | LokeDK | shingouz, nothing.. just root disk won't boot |
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| 16:34.20 | Xenguy | eigenlambda: nod |
| 16:34.21 | shingouz | Fendor: and i answered your question |
| 16:34.25 | LokeDK | it says that linux image is missing .. or something like that |
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| 16:34.46 | shingouz | LokeDK: the root disk does not boot. the rescue (or boot) disk boots |
| 16:34.48 | Fendor | shingouz, Smarty pants. |
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| 16:35.20 | shingouz | Fendor: thank you, i have worked on it for a long time. ask a meaningful question and you may get a meaningful answer |
| 16:35.25 | hacim | orchid: if I do glxinfo I get: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
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| 16:35.38 | orchid | hacim: have you tried the nvidia driver? |
| 16:35.54 | K9-Cop | I am installing debian 3.1 from the net-install CD. I manually edited my sources.list to include the http.us, non-us and security both stable and testing. However, it is giving me a 404 not found for the two non-us entries. Any ideas? |
| 16:36.35 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 16:36.35 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 16:36.36 | LokeDK | shingouz, don't have rescue.. it's not netinstall.. i have boot.img, root.img, cd-drivers.img, net-drivers.img .. i boot up the boot.img disk.. put the root disk in and boot.. but it says that it can't find kernel image thing |
| 16:36.36 | Xenguy | K9-Cop: AFAIK there are no 'non-us' anymore |
| 16:36.41 | shingouz | K9-Cop: first of all, read /topic. second, do not mix stable and testing. third, there is no security in etch (testing) |
| 16:36.43 | Fendor | shingouz, For fuck's sake. KDE dependencies in unstable seem broken. kdelibs depends on kdelibs-bin version 3.3, yet 3.4 is available. |
| 16:36.50 | eigenlambda | i get 94fps in glxgears |
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| 16:36.54 | shingouz | LokeDK: boot with boot.img |
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| 16:37.23 | shingouz | Fendor: if you have that problem, everyone else has the same problem. you run Sid ffs |
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| 16:38.20 | eigenlambda | yuo all wish u gys got as much fps in glxgears as i got |
| 16:38.23 | Fendor | shingouz, I'm not looking for symptahy from other users. I'm asking whether a solution has been made. |
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| 16:38.44 | LokeDK | shingouz, i do |
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| 16:38.57 | shingouz | Fendor: not that i have heard of it. either wait, do not use unstable or fix it yourself |
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| 16:39.09 | SaschaM23 | huhu |
| 16:39.13 | shingouz | LokeDK: you said you boot with "root.img" |
| 16:39.13 | SaschaM23 | kann jemand deutsch |
| 16:39.26 | LokeDK | shingouz, yes after the boot screen appears |
| 16:39.27 | shingouz | !de |
| 16:39.28 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 16:39.35 | SaschaM23 | danke |
| 16:39.36 | SaschaM23 | :) |
| 16:39.39 | SaschaM23 | thank you |
| 16:39.42 | jasoncohen | i have gnome set to login automatically with a certain user. For some reason, when i first start up it brings me to the gdm login page but "ctrl-alt-backspace" restarts X straight into KDE with gdm. gdmsetup shows the user set to auto-login. I'm using this for a mythtv frontend so i don't want to have to login on startup |
| 16:39.44 | K9-Cop | Xenguy: when wree the non-us sources removed and is their a replacement? |
| 16:40.07 | shingouz | LokeDK: huh? you put the boot floppy in there, boot onto it. the system will *prompt* you to insert the root diskette |
| 16:40.08 | dvs | LokeDK: What a minute. You don't wait until Debian tell you to switch disks? |
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| 16:40.25 | K9-Cop | shingouz: so if I want to have a debian testing, do I simply start out with only the one http.us testing entry in sources.list? |
| 16:40.30 | tarzeau | K9-Cop: what are you missing from old non-us? |
| 16:40.30 | Xenguy | K9-Cop: I'm not sure exactly; it happened somewhat recently AFAIK... |
| 16:40.33 | hacim | orchid: no, I was told that the xorg nv driver should work |
| 16:40.39 | shingouz | K9-Cop: what are you trying to do? |
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| 16:41.19 | LokeDK | I get the boot prompt yes, i push enter and it says "Error booting: blabla insert another disk" .. okay.. I insert root disk.. but it syas it's not bootable |
| 16:41.23 | orchid | hacim: no, you need GL acceleration |
| 16:41.30 | K9-Cop | lol, I had installed debian a year ago and stopped using it for the last 6 months. I am now installing it fresh on a different computer using net-install and it appears the sources have changed on me |
| 16:41.31 | LokeDK | brb got to eat |
| 16:41.43 | Fendor | shingouz, Thank you. You're very helpful. |
| 16:41.50 | eigenlambda | apt-source |
| 16:41.52 | eigenlambda | i guess |
| 16:41.54 | orchid | hacim: you can try to run it in software acceleration but it will truly suck |
| 16:41.55 | Xenguy | K9-Cop: I just have one line now in sources.list |
| 16:41.57 | dvs | LokeDK. So the problem is the boot disk |
| 16:42.04 | tarzeau | Xenguy: i've got two |
| 16:42.05 | zly | would one, like in LokeDK's case, not be able to use loadlin to start the installation from dos using the debian hd-media installation ? |
| 16:42.10 | tarzeau | Xenguy: you don't ever need source packages? |
| 16:42.15 | Xenguy | tarzeau: #2 = sources? |
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| 16:42.21 | Xenguy | tarzeau: ahh |
| 16:42.22 | shadow98 | anybody know where i can find a good installation guide on ossim/snort for debian? |
| 16:42.43 | Xenguy | tarzeau: commented out for now, but there in case I need it sometime |
| 16:42.43 | tarzeau | Xenguy: deb-src, and i have some own repositories. telnet linuks.mine.nu (and what about security updates, if you're on stable?) |
| 16:42.51 | hacim | orchid: my xorg.log has: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found) |
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| 16:43.08 | Xenguy | tarzeau: SID (yes I know it is not recommended practice :-) |
| 16:43.09 | K9-Cop | so if I want a testing debian 3.1 is the only line I need "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free"? |
| 16:43.24 | tarzeau | K9-Cop: no, you want stable |
| 16:43.37 | dvs | K9-Cop: If you have nothing installed, you want stable |
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| 16:43.56 | eigenlambda | i installed straight to sid |
| 16:43.58 | Xenguy | K9-Cop: if you want testing, then I believe that line should work for you |
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| 16:45.34 | orchid | hacim: /msg dpg nvidia you need their driver to play bzflag |
| 16:45.47 | orchid | s/dpg/dpkg |
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| 16:47.46 | K9-Cop | This is pretty much a completely blank computer, can I just have the one 'testing' line in sources.list, or do I fist have to add the 'stable' and 'security' lines first, apt-get, then delete them and add the 'testing' lines to sources.list and apt-get? |
| 16:47.49 | hacim | orchid: looks like dri isn't being loaded right: Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved! |
| 16:48.26 | dvs | K9-Cop: I'd install stable first, then worry about testing later |
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| 16:48.54 | orchid | hacim: I dunno, you need that driver set up properly |
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| 16:49.27 | AciD | any idea why I can't create an initrd with the cmd "/sbin/lvmcreate_initrd 2.6.12.5" which output this : "No program "lvmcreate_initrd" found for your current version of LVM" ? |
| 16:50.02 | Xenguy | K9-Cop: I'm not sure which method is more recommended, but in theory you should be able to install straight to testing. Try an experiment (since your workstation is a blank slate anyway :-) |
| 16:50.07 | Xenguy | oh well |
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| 16:52.30 | cahoot | inte baksidan |
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| 16:52.40 | honschu | How is the kde or qt devel channel named? |
| 16:52.57 | rob_lt | sed -i "s|stable|testing|g" /etc/apt/sources.list && \ |
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| 16:52.59 | rob_lt | > apt-get update && \ |
| 16:52.59 | rob_lt | > apt-get install apt && \ |
| 16:52.59 | rob_lt | > apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 16:53.11 | spanglesontoast | erm I'm stuck I cannot change my res it's like stuck on 800x600 |
| 16:53.18 | hacim | orchid: actually, what solved it was I did this: apt-get --purge remove nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-2-k7 nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-vs1.9.5 nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-settings |
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| 16:53.27 | dvs | !drxx spanglesontoast |
| 16:53.28 | dpkg | spanglesontoast: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 16:53.50 | spanglesontoast | so I should edit it by hand? |
| 16:53.52 | orchid | hacim: heh and it works now? |
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| 16:54.01 | spanglesontoast | or just run that command? |
| 16:54.26 | customer1 | ok this is probably stupid...but ummm ok im stupid, how do i send print jobs to a cups server from another linux machine? |
| 16:54.47 | customer1 | i have it up and running just fine on one machine |
| 16:55.29 | customer1 | i want to send print jobs from another machine...wich is also linux, everything i find on the subject keeps refering to windows machines |
| 16:56.33 | Xenguy | customer1: if the printer is connected to #1, then #1 has to grant permissions to #2 to print... |
| 16:57.07 | spanglesontoast | be back soon |
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| 16:57.44 | Xenguy | customer1: unfortunately my memory is hazy on the specifics, but I think it boils down to editing a config file on each workstation (#1 grants permission to number to; #2 looks to #1 when sending a print job) |
| 16:58.37 | customer1 | that part is done im pretty sure...how do i tell the machine on local to send it to the cups server on #1 though |
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| 16:59.08 | hacim | orchid: yeah, I get Mesa GLX Indirect and its slow, but it runs |
| 16:59.22 | BleSS | is there any packages search in web? |
| 16:59.34 | hacim | BleSS: packages.debian.org |
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| 16:59.38 | BleSS | thx |
| 16:59.40 | hacim | np |
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| 17:00.16 | LinuxNIT-laptop | how do i stop my laptop from freezing when it returns from suspend? |
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| 17:00.26 | Xenguy | customer1: I'll check my #2 for the config file (you need to install the CUPS client only IIRC) |
| 17:00.28 | orchid | hacim: cool, well try to get your 3d set up properly if you can, it will make the game much better for you (ask in #bzflag) |
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| 17:01.03 | hacim | orchid: if I'm using Mesa GLX indirect, does that mean my 3d is not setup correct? |
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| 17:01.40 | MrBallZ | hi |
| 17:01.57 | bibe | hi |
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| 17:02.04 | orchid | hacim: it means your in software rendering, when you had the glx packages installed, you needed to have "nvidia" in your xorg.conf as the driver, you had "nv" |
| 17:02.08 | [tomj] | hi |
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| 17:02.27 | Xenguy | customer1: on #2, see config file /etc/cups/client.conf ... |
| 17:02.27 | dvs | bye |
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| 17:03.20 | Xenguy | customer1: you need a line like this -> ServerName 192.168.x.x (where that is the IP of #1) |
| 17:03.36 | MrBallZ | question: I have azureus in /usr/lib/azureus/ the executable file name is azureus, how can I make it, to anyone that types in the command line, can invoke azureus ... this is what im trying to do: a file inside /usr/bin , called azureus, wich inside has: #!/bin/sh cd /usr/lib/azureus azureus ... what am i doing wrong ?? |
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| 17:04.16 | rob_lt | MrBallZ, ln -s /usr/lib/azureus /usr/bin/azureus |
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| 17:04.55 | rob_lt | MrBallZ, or using your shell script, the last command should be ./azureus |
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| 17:05.54 | Xenguy | customer1: once you have #2 configured with the client, then on #1 you need to grant permissions in the file /etc/cups/cupsd.conf... |
| 17:06.14 | annulus_ | re. i've got a little prob. tried to install amarok (unstable) but it depends on libtunepimp2 but it doesnt exists anymore on that name...its current name is libtunepimp2c2..is it possible to install amarok somehow? |
| 17:06.16 | Xenguy | customer1: look for a line in that file like this -> <Location /> |
| 17:06.18 | MrBallZ | rob_lt: the first one you are saying its a symbolic link to the directory right? |
| 17:06.31 | rob_lt | MrBallZ, a symbolic link to the file, yes |
| 17:07.09 | bibe | I just upgraded mozilla-firefox to version 1.0.4-2sarge2 (from sarge security updates). It seems that when I open multiple tabs and change tab, firefox crashes with a segmentation fault. does anyone have the same problem, or can it be related to something different than firefox? it's a fresh install of sarge with no packages from etch and/or sid |
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| 17:07.16 | Ni55e | Hi all. How do I disable the autoload of vesafb modules. I've tried both discover.conf and discover.conf-2.6 nut all these fb modules get loaded anyway. |
| 17:07.19 | Xenguy | customer1: you'll need to include a line in there similar to this -> Allow From 192.168.x.x (where IP is that of #2) |
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| 17:08.11 | customer1 | ya i definatly have that now |
| 17:08.21 | customer1 | i just told it to allow from all |
| 17:08.31 | rob_lt | MrBallZ, my mistake, I see that the executable is actually /usr/lib/azareus/azareus |
| 17:08.33 | customer1 | now...in the client line i need.... |
| 17:09.02 | rob_lt | MrBallZ, so the ln command should be "ln -s /usr/lib/azareus/azareus /usr/bin/azareus" |
| 17:09.11 | customer1 | ServerName 192.168.1.101 |
| 17:09.33 | rob_lt | MrBallZ, btw - /usr/lib is not the place to install whole applications |
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| 17:09.48 | customer1 | and thats it? do i need to restart the local cupsd for it to start looking in that direction |
| 17:09.50 | customer1 | ? |
| 17:09.54 | MrBallZ | rob_lt: where is to install whole applications then ? |
| 17:09.55 | rob_lt | MrBallZ, /usr/local would have been better |
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| 17:10.02 | rob_lt | for locally installed apps |
| 17:10.02 | Xenguy | customer1: can you prepend my nick if you are talking to me (I'm on multiple channels) -- thanks |
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| 17:10.04 | MrBallZ | rob_lt: oooooohhhh |
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| 17:10.11 | MrBallZ | rob_lt: ok... let me see |
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| 17:10.23 | rob_lt | MrBallZ, lib directories are for libraries, ie C libraries |
| 17:10.30 | customer1 | sotty thanks Xenguy |
| 17:10.37 | cahoot | Ni55e: try /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 17:10.58 | Xenguy | customer1: just experiment - if need be, try restarting the cups server |
| 17:11.01 | MrBallZ | rob_lt: under any other directories in /usr/local ??? |
| 17:11.11 | customer1 | thanks for th e info Xenguy |
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| 17:11.24 | Xenguy | customer1: yw (does it work tho? :-) |
| 17:11.30 | rob_lt | MrBallZ, I would have a /usr/local/azareus directory with everything in it |
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| 17:12.13 | Ni55e | I would like to use the matroxfb instead of vesafb, but vesafb loads automatically before my matroxfb_g450 pointed out in /etc/modules. |
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| 17:12.40 | MrBallZ | rob_lt: ok, and the /usr/bin for the link or shell scritp that points to the executable file, that is ok ? |
| 17:12.59 | cahoot | Ni55e: did you try /msg dpkg blacklist? |
| 17:13.02 | rob_lt | MrBallZ, yes, you want the link created in /usr/bin so that it is in everyone path |
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| 17:13.20 | blikar | I am seeking a good KDE panel applet for network activity (similiar to the M$ one) |
| 17:13.27 | blikar | anyone know of one? |
| 17:13.29 | blikar | :) |
| 17:13.29 | rob_lt | ie, there will be a file called /usr/bin/azareus that points to wherever the actual executable for azareus ends up |
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| 17:13.40 | thebug | I had a great idea for a d-i addition this morning -- for serial console installs, add an option very near the start to pick serial speed other than 9600/8/1/n, so for example it doesn't take 5 seconds to redraw each d-i menu ... even 19200 would be smashing |
| 17:13.46 | Ni55e | cahoot: yes i've read and tried the exclude options in discover.conf |
| 17:13.49 | MrBallZ | rob_lt: ok, let me try it , so what should be better, symlink or shell script ? |
| 17:13.56 | thebug | sounds like a good wishlist bug submission, no? |
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| 17:14.09 | cahoot | Ni55e: hotplug too? |
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| 17:14.20 | Ni55e | nope |
| 17:14.24 | Jesus-Christ | hey guys im using nautilus to connect to a windows share (it recognises the windows network) but it wont connect... its a straight out the box debian 3.1 install am i doing anything wrong? |
| 17:14.43 | TK-1 | Netsplit Detected irc.freenode.net from: calvino.freenode.net |
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| 17:14.53 | rob_lt | MrBallZ, your preference, they both end up doing basically the same thing. The symlink is quick and easy, and is likely what I would do. If you wanted to start doing fancy things like turning off the screensaver first, passing commandline arguments, etc.. then I would go for the shell script. |
| 17:14.57 | customer1 | Xenguy, no..it doesnt |
| 17:14.58 | customer1 | hmmm |
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| 17:15.23 | Ni55e | cahoot: discover.conf or discover.conf-2.6? (yeah obvious for the 2.6 kernels but does it read both of the .conf files?) |
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| 17:15.40 | rob_lt | Jesus-Christ, any error messages? Do you have some sort of autentication setup on the MS box? |
| 17:15.51 | rob_lt | *authentication |
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| 17:16.00 | Jesus-Christ | rob_lt, it usually asks for the username and password if ure doing it from windows |
| 17:16.06 | Jesus-Christ | on debian, it just times out with nautilus |
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| 17:16.50 | Xenguy | customer1: do you get any error messages? |
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| 17:17.32 | customer1 | none |
| 17:17.33 | rob_lt | Jesus-Christ, try entering this in the url field in nautilus smb://user:password@servername/sharename/ |
| 17:17.34 | customer1 | its werid |
| 17:18.15 | rob_lt | Jesus-Christ, but I think nautilus is supposed to prompt you if a username/password are required |
| 17:18.23 | Xenguy | customer1: if you want to paste your config lines into #flood, feel free |
| 17:18.29 | Jesus-Christ | yeah lemme try |
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| 17:19.40 | Jesus-Christ | looks like its gonna time out |
| 17:20.08 | rob_lt | Jesus-Christ, maybe try another samba client to see if it is an issue with nautilus, or something deeper |
| 17:20.09 | customer1 | there are access_log entries for mcahine1 but umm they never make it to the printer |
| 17:20.17 | Jesus-Christ | hmm, rob_lt thanks for answering, i need to run out, ill be back later to try and fix this |
| 17:20.21 | Jesus-Christ | thanks |
| 17:20.21 | Jesus-Christ | laters |
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| 17:20.36 | customer1 | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 17:20.58 | rob_lt | MrBallZ, any luck? |
| 17:21.19 | Magnus-swe | has anyone managed to compile quake 3 arena yet ? |
| 17:21.44 | MrBallZ | rob_lt: yes !!! , thank you very much !!! =) |
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| 17:22.13 | rob_lt | MrBallZ, np... just glad it worked :) |
| 17:22.33 | nvz | Magnus-swe: congrats on wording a question so it has absolutly nothing to do with #debian |
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| 17:23.08 | Magnus-swe | nvz: oh sorry there almighty :) |
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| 17:23.43 | nvz | Magnus-swe: its highly unlikely anything good comes out of asking a question like that in a support room for a 100% Free system |
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| 17:24.11 | Magnus-swe | nvz: Hush puppeh GPL Quake 3 Arena Source Released, you can also get it here: http://pkgspider.dynalias.org/Quake_3_Arena_GPL_Source/quake3-1.32b-source.zip |
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| 17:24.25 | nvz | Magnus-swe: you could have at least asked a specific question that related to debian somehow including your problem and left out the fact that you were compiling 3rd party software |
| 17:24.32 | Magnus-swe | go away |
| 17:24.35 | Magnus-swe | :) |
| 17:25.02 | nvz | as if I had said yes I compiled q3 it would have benefit you any |
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| 17:25.21 | nvz | the question is fishing or trolling. its not even getting you the information you seek |
| 17:25.33 | Magnus-swe | nvz: go about your biz, nothing to complain about here |
| 17:25.43 | Magnus-swe | Or dev ? |
| 17:26.44 | bibe | no one here is using stable w/ security updates? before filing a bug i wish to know if anyone using mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge2 is experiencing the same problem as i: switching between tabs crashes firefox |
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| 17:27.23 | nvz | bibe: this is actually exactly why debian has a public bug tracking system. so you would know if someone experienced the bug you find |
| 17:28.09 | fwtest | can i run bsd on user mode linux? |
| 17:28.28 | rob_lt | bibe, I would guess that alot of people here are using stable w/ security updates |
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| 17:28.40 | Magnus-swe | fwtest: yes, any source system can be run from a chroot |
| 17:28.42 | nvz | mozilla-firefox works for me but I have 1.0.4-2 not -2sarge2 |
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| 17:29.01 | Frem | Are the ms core fonts in the Debian package db? |
| 17:29.06 | rob_lt | bibe, I'm upgrading to the latest firefox, and I'll let you know if I get any crashes in a couple minutes |
| 17:29.13 | bibe | nvz : i am asking here because i did not find any similar bug in the BTS. I don't want to file a non-reproducible bug |
| 17:29.16 | rob_lt | Frem, msttcorefonts |
| 17:29.21 | bibe | rob_lt : thank you |
| 17:29.25 | Ni55e | I've added "skip fbcon/vesafb/vga16/fb" to discover.conf, discover.conf-2.6 and hotplug/blacklist but they still loads up during boot :( |
| 17:29.31 | Frem | rob_lt, Thanks. |
| 17:29.31 | rob_lt | Frem, I think you have to add contrib or non-free, not sure which one |
| 17:29.32 | fwtest | Magnus-swe, you have reference how to do it? |
| 17:29.54 | Magnus-swe | fwtest: ever built LFS ? |
| 17:29.58 | nvz | bibe: then maybe you should have said could anyone try to reproduce this bug or just filed it |
| 17:30.21 | rob_lt | bibe, crash and burn :( |
| 17:30.22 | fwtest | Magnus-swe, LFS? |
| 17:30.33 | rob_lt | bibe, I hit a ctrl-t and firefox disappeared |
| 17:30.39 | Magnus-swe | fwtest: Linux from scratch |
| 17:30.47 | nvz | personally if it is a bug I dont want to upgrade and break my firefox just to find out |
| 17:30.48 | bibe | rob_lt : the same as I |
| 17:30.56 | fwtest | Magnus-swe, no, never built it |
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| 17:31.05 | nvz | I like the working code I have |
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| 17:31.19 | rob_lt | I was on 1.0.4-2sarge1 just minutes ago, and everything was peachy, now with 1.0.4-2sarge2 the tabs crash |
| 17:31.26 | bibe | nvz : next time i'll say that ;) sorry but i'm relatively new |
| 17:31.52 | bibe | rob_lt : going back to 1.0.4-2sarge1 solves the problem |
| 17:31.52 | Magnus-swe | fwtest: if you had yould know most if not everything about linux source compiles and the escape from a mother system in order to create a shiny new dist |
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| 17:32.29 | nvz | bibe: its alright. This is a huge OS with lots of different stuff going on. We are all used to using the BTS for this stuff. If someone in here had seen this bug it would be on the BTS there's no need to ask. |
| 17:32.42 | rob_lt | bibe, ok... I'm sure this will get fixed asap, but I'm surprised it made it through in the first place |
| 17:32.50 | bibe | nvz: so should i file a bug indicating how to reproduce it? |
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| 17:33.42 | nvz | bibe: bug description something like "Crashes on new tab" or something should be fine I would include details. using a reportbug or such program will help fill in a lot of that |
| 17:33.58 | bibe | nvz: thanks |
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| 17:35.37 | customer1 | no dice Xenguy |
| 17:35.47 | tarzeau | fwtest: you can run debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 17:35.49 | nvz | bibe: make sure you make it the right severity level. I've seen too many important bugs slip through the cracks because they were filed improperly. this is hardly a grave bug because firefox still runs, but its definatly severe or important as it breaks a key feature causing it to crash |
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| 17:36.44 | bibe | nvz : perfect, i'm running through reportbug procedure |
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| 17:37.26 | Xenguy | customer1: it was straightforward for me when I did it; maybe you just have a small syntax error in one of the config files... |
| 17:37.48 | Xenguy | customer1: why don't you paste the relevant config lines into #flood ? |
| 17:37.51 | nvz | bibe: those kind of programs like reportbug or bugbuddy are nice they walk you through the process and produce clean uniform bug reports. you just choose the package and type in your information and it pulls in relevant info about your system, installed package and dependency versions..etc |
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| 17:40.01 | brx | now, bug #323060 is really irritating. |
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| 17:40.10 | nvz | heh |
| 17:40.54 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 17:41.11 | Shadowcat | I can't believe there isn't a way to type a | into an equation |
| 17:41.11 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: which version? |
| 17:41.26 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: i've removed gnome,kde and openoffice from a machine at work today, and saved more than 600 mb disk space |
| 17:41.30 | nvz | what would a | do in an equation |
| 17:41.37 | Karnaugh | explode? |
| 17:41.42 | Shadowcat | nvz: differentiation |
| 17:41.45 | loukoum | hi, I just install debian, evrything works well, xfree... but I do not know how to setup my soundcard (soudblaster) any help ? |
| 17:41.51 | Shadowcat | y'|x=x0 |
| 17:41.53 | Shadowcat | for example |
| 17:42.00 | Shadowcat | I can't type that out in Math |
| 17:42.08 | Karnaugh | loukoum: install alsautils and run alsaconf or something |
| 17:42.15 | drac | loukoum: Install alsa-base, with apt-get and run alsaconf. And 2.6 kernel image before doing that helps :) |
| 17:42.23 | brx | now, bug #323060 is really irritating, and people on irc should know about bug #323060. and tell their friends. |
| 17:42.37 | loukoum | Karnaugh I try that |
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| 17:43.19 | nvz | Shadowcat: sure it isnt || ? |
| 17:43.58 | Shadowcat | nvz: || produces || |
| 17:44.09 | Shadowcat | | produces an or sign |
| 17:44.32 | nvz | no idea I never used the program before, and I have no clue what its even used for |
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| 17:44.49 | nvz | I am looking at it and I cant for the life of me figure out what the hell I would even do with it |
| 17:44.51 | Shadowcat | it's used for writing mathematical equations in a text document |
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| 17:45.32 | Frem | Is there a package for OSS (The sound system) on Debian? All I've found are packages that emulate OSS for use with Alsa. |
| 17:45.51 | nvz | Frem: why would you need packages for OSS? |
| 17:46.04 | Frem | nvz: old sound card that does not work well with alsa. |
| 17:46.06 | nvz | and AFAIK there are no oss emulation packages either |
| 17:46.16 | nvz | Frem: these are kernel code, they are not packages |
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| 17:46.27 | Xenguy | Frem: alsa seems to be the future, and I think you want the 'OSS emulation' configuration in most cases |
| 17:46.37 | nvz | Frem: the sound subsystems are parts of the kernel |
| 17:46.54 | LokeDK | It says, at the boot screen when i push enter, that it could not load linux kernel image or something like that.. where is it supposed to be? it's floppy boot |
| 17:46.56 | nvz | Frem: soundcore module is OSS, snd is ALSA |
| 17:47.15 | Frem | Sorry, I mean oss wrappers for alsa. I can't use alsa with my obscure sound card. |
| 17:47.20 | tarzeau | does someone have gnome or kde and can try a packages .desktop out for me? |
| 17:47.52 | nvz | I have half a gnome |
| 17:48.32 | tarzeau | nvz: you'll need sid and install supertux supertux-data and check if #305334 is fixed, if yes close it or tell me |
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| 17:48.53 | nvz | tarzeau: heh thats not happening |
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| 17:49.13 | tarzeau | nvz: what's not happening? |
| 17:49.22 | nvz | I got things I need to do from time to time, and I dont feel confident etch or sid are ready to be used |
| 17:49.36 | tarzeau | nvz: ahh you know what i just noticed about the bug report? |
| 17:49.41 | tarzeau | something that makes me VERY ANGRY |
| 17:49.58 | tarzeau | nvz: check the versions of packages supertux depends on... ii libx11-6 6.8.1-1ubuntu16 and more ubuntu crap |
| 17:49.58 | aFlag | does anyone know of a program that will let me connect and run programs on windows from my linux box as i do using ssh -X connecting from one linux to another? |
| 17:50.07 | tarzeau | should non-debian people use debian bts? |
| 17:50.12 | nvz | tarzeau: heh |
| 17:50.24 | tarzeau | why does bts not have ignore tags? |
| 17:50.29 | PerfDave | aFlag: Cygwin's X server, mingwin, commercial stuff. |
| 17:50.31 | nvz | tarzeau: they should be killed for doing such things |
| 17:50.41 | Xenguy | aFlag: freenx might be worth a look |
| 17:51.20 | aFlag | thanks i'll take a look on those |
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| 17:51.25 | bibe | nvz, rob_lt : i filed a bug, thank you for all the help |
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| 17:53.33 | Ox12 | guys, no i have installed apache1, and php4. do i need any additional packages to install, or edit anything more, to make them working together?!!! |
| 17:53.47 | quittt | why amarok doesnt play mp3? |
| 17:53.49 | manu_ | does some one know how to change acces in the apache server for specific folders? with pico ? |
| 17:53.50 | quittt | !amarok |
| 17:53.51 | dpkg | [amarok] THE audio player for KDE |
| 17:53.52 | eng | pyuno help me |
| 17:54.09 | nvz | quittt: plays mp3s just fine |
| 17:54.27 | eng | I want pyuno example |
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| 17:54.49 | nvz | sounds to me like you want silenced |
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| 17:55.01 | tarzeau | quittt: wanna try another player? |
| 17:55.07 | nvz | you are making 0 sense to thinking english speakers |
| 17:55.38 | eng | xine fullscreen problem |
| 17:56.01 | nvz | eng: can you process complete thoughts and form complete sentances? |
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| 17:56.46 | ruben | Hi |
| 17:56.59 | ruben | What is the way to obtain colors on mapages? |
| 17:57.04 | ruben | manpages |
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| 17:57.27 | sophistes | Could some help me with the choise of debian distributive? |
| 17:57.29 | nvz | ruben: mped -m man |
| 17:57.36 | weilawei | whee this is fun.. trying to get a CVS version of enlightenment dr17 :) |
| 17:57.43 | nvz | sophistes: a what? |
| 17:58.01 | sophistes | Some distributive to install.. |
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| 17:58.07 | manu_ | does some one nows how to play 3gp files in Debian ? |
| 17:58.15 | manu_ | video works with xine |
| 17:58.19 | shingouz | !tell sophistes about d-i |
| 17:58.19 | manu_ | but no sound |
| 17:58.20 | LokeDK | Is there a floppy, to boot the cd? |
| 17:58.29 | nvz | sophistes: distributive hold no valid meaning in that context. |
| 17:58.44 | rob_lt | manu_, have you tried mplayer? |
| 17:58.49 | manu_ | yes |
| 17:58.51 | nvz | we are not speaking of the distributive property of mathematics or something are we? |
| 17:58.59 | weilawei | im flipping back and forth between testing and unstable to get all the dev libs >_< this is insanity.. my system will have e17 but be mortally broken for purposed of dist-upgrade in the future |
| 17:59.00 | manu_ | sound doesn t work |
| 17:59.05 | tarzeau | manu_: what says file the.3gp ? |
| 17:59.19 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 17:59.20 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 17:59.21 | quittt | I dont understand amarok |
| 17:59.22 | shingouz | nvz: version... s/he means version i guess ;) |
| 17:59.27 | manu_ | 3gp is the format of a file from nokia for exemple |
| 17:59.41 | tarzeau | manu_: i guess you should ask nokia about it then |
| 17:59.42 | manu_ | makes video in 3gp format |
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| 17:59.46 | manu_ | yes |
| 18:00.07 | manu_ | because i was looking for softeware to manage nokia phones on debian |
| 18:00.18 | tarzeau | manu_: oh tell me if you find one |
| 18:00.18 | manu_ | but i didn t found much |
| 18:00.18 | sophistes | nvz: about comlex of file to install.. |
| 18:00.23 | rob_lt | manu_, try mplayer? |
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| 18:00.34 | manu_ | ok i try |
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| 18:00.44 | sophistes | nvz: about complex of file to install.. |
| 18:00.46 | rob_lt | !tell manu_ about marillat |
| 18:00.55 | manu_ | ? |
| 18:00.57 | shingouz | manu_: afaik the fileformat is proprietary. if you call/mail nokia about it, be sure to tell them they suck anyways ;) |
| 18:01.08 | manu_ | hihihihihi |
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| 18:01.23 | rob_lt | manu_, wtf? Did you get dpkg's comments about marillat? |
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| 18:01.36 | manu_ | ? |
| 18:01.42 | nvz | shingouz: sarge * (woody + potato) = sid + (experimental * slink)? |
| 18:01.45 | rob_lt | !marillat |
| 18:01.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
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| 18:01.54 | shingouz | nvz: yea, something like that |
| 18:01.55 | rob_lt | manu_, read that ^^^ |
| 18:02.02 | manu_ | :) |
| 18:03.14 | nvz | I wish I could just skip the weekend this week |
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| 18:03.21 | tarzeau | nvz: me too |
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| 18:03.24 | nvz | I am bored out of my mind |
| 18:03.43 | tarzeau | nvz: i'd like to have a beer with some of here |
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| 18:03.50 | http | hi |
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| 18:04.10 | tarzeau | nvz: a wine would do, as well |
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| 18:04.44 | nvz | I got like a swig of Jagermiester left and about half of this Smirnoff Tripple Black 22oz |
| 18:05.00 | sombra | is apt-get dist-upgrade runing daliy by cron on stable sarge? |
| 18:05.00 | tarzeau | nvz: that sounds good, but isn't fun alone |
| 18:05.14 | tarzeau | nvz: maybe i should go meet my ex in the mountains tomorrow |
| 18:05.21 | nvz | heh |
| 18:05.25 | tarzeau | the weather is so like shit |
| 18:05.27 | rob_lt | manu_, I just downloaded an 3gp file and it played fine with mplayer |
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| 18:06.01 | nvz | I think I am gonna go to the office and run the fax machine, then take a late lunch. |
| 18:06.16 | rob_lt | sombra, no |
| 18:06.36 | manu_ | ok |
| 18:06.40 | manu_ | i got mplayer |
| 18:06.42 | nvz | then maybe I will get out of my pjs and wander aimlessly looking for something to get into |
| 18:06.43 | manu_ | now |
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| 18:06.51 | rob_lt | ok |
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| 18:07.14 | c01100011 | is there any known conflict between nvidia-glx and xmms ? xmms won't open when i have nvidia-glx installed |
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| 18:07.58 | nvz | I havent been to the library in a long time but I dont feel like walking there. especially since I havent ordered any good books. that library is way below my reading level for the most part. I usually have to have the city and college libraries send books in for me to pickup |
| 18:08.40 | nvz | though I can search the online catalog from here and see if there is anything worth reading |
| 18:08.48 | tarzeau | nvz: i'll be in the office on monday, so i won't go there for sure on weekends |
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| 18:09.00 | weilawei | nvz, not a bad idea.. I have to go into boston for a good library anyways |
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| 18:09.16 | weilawei | BPL is a great one :) |
| 18:09.21 | manu_ | video works |
| 18:09.28 | manu_ | but sound still not work |
| 18:09.44 | manu_ | and i always recieve this message when i open mplayer |
| 18:09.56 | manu_ | new face failed |
| 18:09.58 | nvz | tarzeau: when I say office and paperwork or fax machine or something I mean the bathroom and the toilet paper holder.. heh I dont have an office. most I have is a basement with a huge table and a bunch of computers only one of which works |
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| 18:11.10 | nvz | weilawei: well two towns over is my local library. we have Inter-library loan program in the county that Gov Ridge setup years ago. so I can go online and search over 70 libraries in the county and any book I want they will send to my local library for me to pickup. |
| 18:11.41 | weilawei | nvz, mine will do the same but I prefer getting out of this damn town |
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| 18:12.04 | K9-Cop | I'm configuring the 2.6.8 kernel. I don't think my computer has any SCSI devices (the cd burner is ATAPI/IDE). Do I still need generic SCSI support? |
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| 18:12.25 | nvz | weilawei: he also setup the PA POWER Access Library which gives me access to tons of invaluable resources with my library card. Ebsco, Sirs, AP Archives, AARC, NetLibrary..etc |
| 18:12.45 | sombra | is there command that can tell me wich contry I am in with initials? |
| 18:12.52 | weilawei | nvz, where's the gif library? a search in synaptic (including contrib and non-free) shows nothing gif related.. |
| 18:12.55 | sombra | like no for Norway |
| 18:12.56 | somePriest | Sometimes I like to use the latest apps, but generally I want a stable OS. If I install from source, programs that are in Unstable branch can be installed in Stable can they not (without having to install all the supporting librairies from unstable also)? |
| 18:13.23 | nvz | weilawei: you mean the programming library that reads Graphic Interchange Format files? |
| 18:13.24 | cahoot | K9-Cop: you'll want scsi disk if you plan to access usb storage devices |
| 18:13.26 | weilawei | yeah |
| 18:13.30 | tarzeau | streuner: da! da! |
| 18:13.38 | weilawei | nvz, i'm compiling enlightenment but I want it with gif support and can't seem to figure out which lib I need to grab |
| 18:13.49 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 18:13.50 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:13.56 | K9-Cop | cahoot: thx |
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| 18:14.18 | tarzeau | somePriest: sometimes people should read the sid faq |
| 18:14.25 | tarzeau | but generally they don't |
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| 18:14.49 | somePriest | tarzeau : So, somewhere buried within it answers my question clearly? |
| 18:15.13 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 18:15.13 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 18:15.19 | tarzeau | somePriest: yes |
| 18:15.25 | nvz | weilawei: no idea. there are many different libs that handle gifs first one I can find is libungif3g |
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| 18:16.00 | weilawei | looks good ill try that |
| 18:16.02 | weilawei | thx |
| 18:16.06 | cahoot | somePriest: this page might be of help: http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/?page=debcustomize |
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| 18:16.39 | nvz | weilawei: though if you look at apt-cache show enlightenment I think what you want for that is libimlib2 |
| 18:16.40 | sombra | tarzeau, somePriest weilawei is there command that can tell me wich contry I am in with initials? This would be great to use perl with to modify sources.list on installations |
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| 18:16.55 | tarzeau | sombra: that'd suck |
| 18:17.01 | nvz | weilawei: which depends on libungif4g |
| 18:17.04 | dwu | when i compile something how do i make it select lib in /usr/local/include and not in /usr/include? |
| 18:17.04 | weilawei | nvz, i'm not doing it through debians packaging |
| 18:17.09 | weilawei | I'm compiling straight from CVS |
| 18:17.11 | tarzeau | sombra: because not all countries have mirrors, and the naming of them is not consistent either |
| 18:17.19 | weilawei | imlib2 is what I'm compiling at the moment ;) |
| 18:17.22 | somePriest | cahoot : Ah, good, so the answer was yes. THrough reading I thought it was, I was just asking for verification on my understanding of what I had read. |
| 18:17.29 | nvz | weilawei: so, what the hell does that have to do with looking at the detailed info instead of searching aimlessly for it |
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| 18:17.48 | tarzeau | somePriest: no the answer is NO |
| 18:17.54 | tarzeau | somePriest: didn't you read the thing about bobbitt? |
| 18:18.00 | cahoot | somePriest: no the answer was intended as informative- not confirmative |
| 18:18.02 | weilawei | nvz, what? you lost me. But anyways, it works. Thanks. |
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| 18:18.10 | sombra | tarzeau, hmm, so there is no safe script solutions on this one? |
| 18:18.11 | somePriest | tarzeau : The page cahoot gaves talks about taking sources from Sid and installing in sarge. |
| 18:18.21 | tarzeau | sombra: definitely no |
| 18:18.31 | sombra | tarzeau, ok |
| 18:18.36 | nvz | weilawei: If I am compiling foo, and foo already exists in debian I can use the package info the maintainer has instead of aimlessly looking for stuff |
| 18:18.37 | tarzeau | somePriest: and the answer to you question above is NO |
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| 18:18.57 | nvz | weilawei: in other words I can look at the depends of foo and see what libs he built it against |
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| 18:19.25 | weilawei | nvz, ah but in debian, it's enlightenment 16. between 16 and 17 there have been MAJOR changes |
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| 18:19.50 | weilawei | they're doing rewrites of most of enlightenment |
| 18:20.03 | somePriest | tarzeau : sarge is stable right? |
| 18:20.09 | tarzeau | somePriest: yes |
| 18:20.17 | nvz | weilawei: so there are major differences in our dna, but if I kick you in the nuts its going to do the same thing it would if you kicked me in the nuts |
| 18:20.18 | weilawei | But good tip |
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| 18:20.31 | syn\ack | bye |
| 18:20.34 | somePriest | tarzeau : And cahoot's page talks about taking sources from Sid, customizing them, and installing them in Sarge. |
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| 18:20.51 | tarzeau | somePriest: yes, it depends on the sources from sid, is that libraries? |
| 18:21.08 | somePriest | tarzeau : I'm just wanting to install things, like Firefox and Gaim. |
| 18:21.08 | tarzeau | somePriest: in the long run and generally it'll not work |
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| 18:21.25 | tarzeau | somePriest: oh then go ahead, one day or another you'll run into troubles |
| 18:21.40 | manu_ | i have an othe problem . does some one know the driver for a MMC card reader |
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| 18:22.03 | manu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.07 | somePriest | tarzeau : Oh :( Cause sometimes Sarge is WAY out of date. |
| 18:22.15 | tarzeau | somePriest: when, sometimes? |
| 18:22.26 | tarzeau | manu_: 2.4 and 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:22.36 | tarzeau | manu_: is it supported by stock linux kernels? does 2.4.31 support it? |
| 18:23.19 | goo | hi... I am trying to install Debian on my Cobalt Qube2 following this document here: http://www.zinkwazi.com/tools/qube2/1.html . I get the installer and everything, but it can't find my disk. I installed Gentoo on it - and that worked (but I hate to compile stuff on a box with no L2 CPU cache, so hence Debian). Any ideas? |
| 18:23.31 | somePriest | tarzeau : Well, my last time on Sarge I was using Licq for example. I was asking for support on it, and they told me my version was a year old and asked me to upgrade in order to get support. |
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| 18:24.17 | tarzeau | somePriest: sarge isn't a year old yet |
| 18:24.48 | tarzeau | somePriest: the version of licq in sarge is of 10 jul 2004 |
| 18:25.03 | tarzeau | somePriest: what support were you looking for, did you ask the maintainer over bts? |
| 18:25.17 | somePriest | tarzeau : This was previous to the last freeze. But for example what version of firefox is currently stable (I think its up to 1.06), how about open office (its what now, 2.0)? |
| 18:25.39 | tarzeau | somePriest: so, woody? |
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| 18:26.01 | tarzeau | somePriest: 1.0.4 |
| 18:26.01 | somePriest | tarzeau : You'd recommend that for a home machine? I just don't like things breaking big is all. |
| 18:26.09 | tarzeau | somePriest: yes use sarge |
| 18:26.24 | tarzeau | somePriest: after 3-6 months you might consider using sid again |
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| 18:26.53 | tarzeau | somePriest: for openoffice, try packages.debian.org |
| 18:27.00 | somePriest | tarzeau : I haven't used Sid in years. I remember years ago Perl broke, and that screwed dpkg and apt-get :( That was a long time ago though. |
| 18:27.23 | tarzeau | somePriest: yes i remember that too, it happens |
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| 18:28.04 | zeier | my k-menu is empty, also no entries in control center. Running kmenuedit and adding items doesn't change anything. This is since I updated to kde 3.3. What may I do? |
| 18:28.10 | somePriest | tarzeau : Would that happen in testing? Not likely, prbable? You'd recommend stable? |
| 18:28.24 | bibe | somePriest : i'd recommend you sarge, and should you need a more recent package, use apt-pinning to get it from testing (or even unstable) |
| 18:28.37 | tarzeau | somePriest: i recommend stable or sid (with testing packages to fix up things in sid, and stuff from experimental) |
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| 18:28.53 | tarzeau | bibe: i wouldn't recommend apt-pinning to anyone |
| 18:29.11 | somePriest | tarzeau : You're not big on woody though (stable or sid)? |
| 18:29.37 | mathieu_ | $ sudo aptitude install mysql-server |
| 18:29.45 | mathieu_ | The following packages will be automatically REMOVED: |
| 18:29.45 | mathieu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.47 | mathieu_ | great :) |
| 18:29.49 | tarzeau | somePriest: ? stable is sarge now. and sid is always unstable |
| 18:30.17 | tarzeau | mathieu_: and if you add mysql-client to the aptitude install line? |
| 18:30.27 | somePriest | tarzeau : I know, that's what I said, you'd suggest stable or unstable, but not testing ("i recommend stable or sid") |
| 18:30.45 | tarzeau | somePriest: yes |
| 18:30.47 | bibe | tarzeau : sure? obviously i won't get libc or xfree from a different 'flavour', but for less crucial packages (as freepops, or kismet, as i do) i think you can get them from more recent repositories |
| 18:30.48 | cahoot | even sid + expereimental |
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| 18:31.01 | somePriest | tarzeau : I'm curious why you're recommend either stable or sid, but not woody? |
| 18:31.07 | tarzeau | bibe: you mean unofficial sources? |
| 18:31.14 | pusling | mm.m.. sid + experimantal - that is good |
| 18:31.19 | tarzeau | somePriest: woody is oldstable, i think you mean testing (etch) |
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| 18:31.23 | mathieu_ | tarzeau, it only wants to remove mysql-server then ;) |
| 18:31.33 | tarzeau | mathieu_: :) and with apt-get ? |
| 18:31.36 | somePriest | tarzeau : Oh, sorry, testing then yes. You'd not recommend testing? |
| 18:31.37 | bibe | tarzeau : not unofficial, but sarge as the base, and some packages from testing and/or unstable |
| 18:31.46 | tarzeau | somePriest: yes, don't use testing |
| 18:32.00 | pusling | somePriest: testing is not to be used. securityfixes takes ages to enter testing |
| 18:32.15 | somePriest | pusling : Oh, ok, understood. |
| 18:32.23 | mathieu_ | tarzeau, apt-get is smarter: The following packages have unmet dependencies: (...) |
| 18:32.33 | tarzeau | mathieu_: i never liked aptitude |
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| 18:32.47 | jelly | " testing is not to be used." kind of defeats its very purpose |
| 18:32.56 | nvz | mathieu_: why are you installing msql-server if its installed already? |
| 18:33.08 | tarzeau | nvz: he wants a newer version probably |
| 18:33.17 | nvz | apt-get upgrade? |
| 18:33.19 | somePriest | So I think I'll go Stable. I currently use FreeBSD, but things like my printer drivers are only distributed in DEBs and RPMs from the manufacturer, and Cups in FreeBSD doesn't list anywhere near as many manufacturers as does Linux (maybe its cause its only 5.4 FBSD). |
| 18:33.23 | tarzeau | nvz: but not of the other packages |
| 18:33.34 | mathieu_ | nvz, i have a whole lot of packages which are held with 'upgrade'. i can't 'dist-upgrade' because it will remove some packages i want to keep |
| 18:33.56 | nvz | bah |
| 18:34.03 | mathieu_ | so i clean the list by upgrade one by one |
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| 18:34.08 | mathieu_ | upgradING |
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| 18:34.51 | nvz | is it monday yet? |
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| 18:35.04 | tarzeau | nvz: 27 more hours |
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| 18:35.11 | nvz | :( |
| 18:35.17 | _slack | alguien ha hecho la integracion de clientes linux y un Active directory 2003? |
| 18:35.18 | bibe | tarzeau : depending on your timezone |
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| 18:35.26 | flexy | anyone know a nice combo of programs to get ndiswrapper pcmcia wlan working as smoothly as wired pcmcia nic adapter? As in replugging wlan card the interface would come up automatically and out from wlan area and back again would not need any intervention by user... also some monitoring applet for desktop would be nice. I've tried ifplugd, hotplugd, wpasupplicant, waproamd, but could not get them working... |
| 18:35.31 | nvz | tarzeau: think its more like 32 for me |
| 18:35.51 | Inflicted | Hi all! How can I make GRUB boot my system with VGA settings of 1024x768? What line should I add? (Debian 3.1 Sarge) |
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| 18:35.56 | somePriest | tarzeau : and I like Debian, I've used it for a little while. Just as a desktop user. |
| 18:36.00 | tarzeau | nvz: i wouldn't mind a longer weekend, i've got plenty music to listen to |
| 18:36.25 | tarzeau | streuner: was it like that, yesternight? |
| 18:36.44 | fusQuanto | anyone know if the free software foundation has a webpage? |
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| 18:36.46 | fusQuanto | err |
| 18:36.47 | fusQuanto | irc chan |
| 18:36.51 | tarzeau | fusQuanto: yes it does. www.fsf.org |
| 18:36.57 | nvz | tarzeau: yeah well I am bored out of my mind. I expected a package delivered UPS yesturday and it never came, so it wont be here until monday. and I cant really get anything else done on the weekend either |
| 18:36.58 | fusQuanto | >:0 |
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| 18:37.14 | tarzeau | nvz: friends? |
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| 18:37.30 | fusQuanto | whats the package nvz |
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| 18:37.42 | nvz | tarzeau: who knows. havent tried today. couldnt find anyone last night |
| 18:37.58 | tarzeau | nvz: do you make music? |
| 18:38.05 | somePriest | tarzeau : Thank you for your help. Now, as for pinning you don't suggest it. And as for compiling unstable sources in stable you say that even if it works, it can run into trouble in later times? |
| 18:38.13 | tarzeau | nvz: wanna try a new window manager? |
| 18:38.17 | nvz | tarzeau: no, not really. If'n I had my guitar I wouldnt be so bored |
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| 18:38.43 | tarzeau | somePriest: really depends on the kind of package |
| 18:38.52 | tarzeau | somePriest: some software will work well, others not at all |
| 18:38.57 | tarzeau | somePriest: try, and find out |
| 18:38.58 | Daveman | dondelelcaro, you here? |
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| 18:39.34 | Solak | Hello. |
| 18:39.36 | somePriest | tarzeau : So I likely won't break anything other then that one package? Like I won't install gaim from unstable and have it screw up something unrelated? |
| 18:39.37 | nvz | tarzeau: I need a new wm. but I dont think I will ever find one that is as easily flexible as old sawfish. I fire up that sawfish-ui and I can point-and-click my way to designing any interface I want. its just its outdated and has issues complying with modern standards which affect the way it runs some newer programs |
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| 18:39.53 | streuner | tarzeau: no, this troll act today otherwise ;-) |
| 18:39.57 | fusQuanto | what is the name of the legal group for the open source stuff? |
| 18:40.04 | tarzeau | somePriest: i don't use gaim, thus dunno. depends on its depends line |
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| 18:40.15 | tarzeau | streuner: funny :) |
| 18:40.23 | nvz | tarzeau: I like sawfish for the speed at which I can reconfigure it. I open sawfish-ui and click around and the settings are changed instantly. no editing files, no restarting programs.. |
| 18:40.30 | streuner | tarzeau: yeah, iam wondering too |
| 18:40.33 | tarzeau | nvz: i got something for ya |
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| 18:40.57 | tarzeau | nvz: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/amiwm/ looks like www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/amiwm.png |
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| 18:41.50 | manu_ | ok |
| 18:41.51 | LeechJoe | zeier: kde 3.3 worked 4 days ago, but after the update today also here the menus are empty (kmenu, kcontrol) - also the keyboard-shortcuts seem to be broken - any suggestions ? |
| 18:42.05 | tarzeau | LeechJoe: sid? |
| 18:42.06 | manu_ | i will try this tarzeau |
| 18:42.26 | honschu | How to catch the string between two spaces, first or last? Example: "one two three" ? |
| 18:42.41 | tarzeau | honschu: awk and $2 |
| 18:42.44 | LeechJoe | tarzeau: yes |
| 18:42.44 | sward | s/Amiga's/Amigas/ |
| 18:42.58 | tarzeau | sward: got some with MMU? |
| 18:43.07 | tarzeau | sward: i've seen an a1200 with linux.. |
| 18:43.34 | sward | tarzeau: No, only A1200 with a bit of extra RAM |
| 18:43.34 | Ox12 | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 18:43.35 | Xenguy | honschu: or 'cut' e.g. cut -f2 -d' ' |
| 18:43.35 | tarzeau | sward: do you start your xterm also with -bg gray70 -fg black ? |
| 18:43.43 | Ox12 | any tips about this? >> /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 18:43.50 | honschu | Xenguy: What about regexp? |
| 18:43.51 | Ox12 | when I tried starting mysql.. |
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| 18:43.57 | nirz | hello |
| 18:43.59 | honschu | I need to implement it with qt |
| 18:44.04 | sward | tarzeau: Heh, no, but it's an idea :) |
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| 18:44.25 | nirz | while i'm trying to compile some proggie i gets that err: hecking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 18:44.33 | nirz | what could cause it ? |
| 18:44.36 | Xenguy | honschu: you haven't really described what you are trying to do, in detail (yes regex's are most useful, depending on context) |
| 18:44.41 | honschu | echo "xmame asd asdf" | awk ' { print $1}' -> works, but how to do it with regexp |
| 18:44.46 | tarzeau | nirz: got xlibs-dev or libx11-dev ? |
| 18:45.11 | nirz | no |
| 18:45.11 | honschu | Xenguy: QString can handle with regexp |
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| 18:45.35 | nirz | should i install it ? |
| 18:45.54 | drac | nirz: those or whole x-window-system-dev |
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| 18:45.59 | nirz | okay |
| 18:46.01 | nirz | thanks |
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| 18:48.14 | SJr | Setting up a Linux Bridge + NAT + Firewall box, in Debian to replace my OpenBSD one. In Debian where should I put the commands to start the bridge, on boot? |
| 18:48.31 | SJr | Also in /etc/interfaces/network how do I specify more than one ip address for a statically assigned NIC. |
| 18:48.32 | tarzeau | SJr: either you want shorewall or use iptables |
| 18:48.34 | honschu | SJr: Why do you change? |
| 18:48.36 | tarzeau | SJr: or maybe ipmasq |
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| 18:48.56 | SJr | tarzeau I'm not at that part yet |
| 18:48.59 | honschu | SJr: I'm still in love with OpenBSD, why do you change to Linux? |
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| 18:49.24 | tarzeau | SJr: using eth0:1 for example |
| 18:49.33 | peterS | SJr: in /etc/network/interfaces I just do something like: 'up ip addr add 192.168.13.37/24 dev eth0' |
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| 18:49.37 | SJr | honschu because pf has very poor Layer 2 support, and the stuff I found on the message boards implied that the authors of pf didn't think layer 2 should be in pf. |
| 18:49.51 | peterS | SJr: where "up" means "execute this command after the interface comes up" |
| 18:50.03 | SJr | petemc whoa, that is so not how my interfaces file looks :) |
| 18:50.14 | SJr | tarzeau I'm using iptables |
| 18:50.15 | peterS | SJr: well that line comes after the 'iface eth0' line |
| 18:50.18 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ has an interfaces example |
| 18:50.26 | peterS | SJr: anyway, the 'ip' command I just quoted is in the 'iproute' package |
| 18:50.29 | tarzeau | wondershaper has also some examples how to run commands on interface up/down |
| 18:50.43 | tarzeau | SJr: yes i wasn't thinking of anything else but iptables |
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| 18:50.55 | peterS | SJr: so yeah, you can have 'up brctl...' lines in there too |
| 18:50.56 | tarzeau | SJr: shorewall also uses it, so does ipmasq (it's a package) |
| 18:50.56 | SJr | I actually am not using LART (??) ip, still using ifconfig |
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| 18:51.37 | peterS | SJr: with ifconfig you can't specify more than one IP address per interface. with ifconfig you have to create separate interfaces like tarzeau was saying - eth0:0, eth0:1 |
| 18:51.52 | SJr | oh |
| 18:51.54 | SJr | ic |
| 18:51.54 | peterS | SJr: whereas with iproute you can put multiple addresses on eth0, which I think is a little bit tidier |
| 18:52.10 | SJr | Well I'll do this for now, because I'm already learning iptables and ebtables :) |
| 18:52.24 | SJr | at the moment I want trusty old ifconfig for right now. |
| 18:53.20 | peterS | SJr: fine. note that there's nothing wrong with installing iproute as well, so you can play with it |
| 18:54.02 | LeechJoe | tarzeau: yes, sid |
| 18:54.24 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 18:54.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:54.37 | tarzeau | LeechJoe: really don't try kde or gnome in anything besides stable |
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| 18:54.55 | jelly | While at the topic of bridges, is there a way to have a bridge on an interface, and also to have some services listen on a particular IP on the same iface? |
| 18:55.10 | PerfDave | jelly: Yes |
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| 18:55.39 | PerfDave | If you install bridge-utils, you can do some neat stuff with bridging interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:55.50 | SJr | excellent |
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| 18:55.58 | SJr | PerfDave yeah thats what I'm doing |
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| 18:56.13 | SJr | jelly yes you just do ifconfig br0 (ip address) |
| 18:56.16 | jelly | PerfDave: I currently fake a bridge with proxyarp, have not found an easy way to make that config with ebtables. |
| 18:56.37 | nixuser | what graphics card would anyone recommend for pci-express slot? |
| 18:56.52 | netsurfer | hi ppl, i upgraded to apache2 from apache on my sarge box using apt-get install apache2 - but now I have removed apache2 and went back to apache ver 1.3 - nothing seems to work right, all the configs are screwed |
| 18:57.14 | somePriest | I've download a stable Debian ISO from http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian-cd/3.0_r1/. I noticed some of the other mirrors have newer release candidates (that's what the _r1 is?) with 3.0, is it better to choose the newest of these? If so, what is the latest? |
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| 18:57.52 | nixuser | anyone know whats the best pci-express card to use with debian? |
| 18:58.00 | SJr | somePriest 3.1r0a is the latest, 3.0 is old, doon't bother downloading it. |
| 18:58.01 | PerfDave | somePriest: 3.0 is not the stable release of Debian. |
| 18:58.13 | nvz | I'd recommend using a pci-express card with a pci-express slot ;) |
| 18:58.14 | peterS | nixuser: for what purpose? network? scsi? fibrechannel? |
| 18:58.16 | PerfDave | SJr: Did you look in /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils ? There's some exciting stuff. |
| 18:58.29 | SJr | PerfDave I just got it setup last night when I went to bed |
| 18:58.39 | SJr | You'll have to forgcive me, I'm new to tables and stuff |
| 18:58.46 | SJr | So what is this BROUTING chain for? I don't get it |
| 18:58.46 | nixuser | good advice peter, which one however |
| 18:58.54 | SJr | When I tried to apply rules to it, it didn't work for the bridge |
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| 18:58.59 | fantomas | Hi. In my XFree86.log I see "No symbols found" messages when X loads module libGLcore.a. I use sarge's version of xserver-xfree86, where is ther problem or its not a problem at all? |
| 18:59.05 | SJr | but if I applied the rules to the output chain of one of the enslaved nics, it worked. |
| 18:59.14 | peterS | nixuser: if in doubt, buy a network card. it might not work very well with your scsi disks but if you really don't care, the network card is probably more useful |
| 18:59.37 | nixuser | jibberish |
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| 19:00.07 | nvz | nixuser: its your fault you are reading what I say as what he said |
| 19:00.20 | nvz | nixuser: he asked you what TYPE of card you were looking for you didnt answer |
| 19:00.25 | ricochet | gonna get flamed... I know there is no apt-get dist-downgrade, but is there any way to go from sid to testing w/o reinstalling? |
| 19:00.26 | somePriest | SJr : I see that its 14 discs, I can get away with just the first disc (enough that I can boot debian and install the rest with apt-get later anyway)? |
| 19:00.30 | nixuser | ok i didnt see it nvz |
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| 19:00.44 | SJr | somePriest yeah I have no idea why anyone would download more than the first disc actually |
| 19:00.45 | loukoum | at boot, gdm start, how do I stop that. I want just the shell available ? |
| 19:00.48 | SJr | maybe the second one too |
| 19:00.50 | SJr | but after that |
| 19:00.50 | SJr | wow |
| 19:00.53 | nixuser | pci express is what ive stated |
| 19:01.07 | PerfDave | somePriest: You really want to read the Installation Manual on http://www.debian.org/ |
| 19:01.07 | nvz | peterS: he wants a video card even though he cant seem to say it |
| 19:01.14 | Ox12 | how to remove all the mysql packages completely?? |
| 19:01.16 | nixuser | lol |
| 19:01.18 | Ox12 | was something like apt-get remove mysql[] |
| 19:01.23 | nixuser | not a hardware person i guess |
| 19:01.37 | tarzeau | Ox12: apt-get remove 'mysql*' |
| 19:01.44 | nixuser | any links you can suggest for supported graphics cards would be appreciated |
| 19:01.46 | tarzeau | Ox12: you mean also the configs? add --purge |
| 19:01.53 | somePriest | PerfDave : Its been awhile, but I have read it. |
| 19:02.00 | nvz | nixuser: think about it. |
| 19:02.07 | nvz | nixuser: but dont hurt yourself |
| 19:02.17 | Ox12 | tarzeau: apt-get remove mysql* will also remove other packages.. |
| 19:02.33 | nixuser | my big 10 inch isnt in thinking mode today |
| 19:02.33 | gniretar | hey |
| 19:02.44 | nvz | nixuser: hardware support is one kernel dependant www.kernel.org and graphics is also X server dependant www.xfree86.org or www.xorg.org |
| 19:02.49 | honschu | what to include for "cout" ? |
| 19:02.50 | netsurfer | nevermind.. apache2 was still running, doh! |
| 19:03.02 | tarzeau | Ox12: like which? |
| 19:03.11 | nixuser | ive been to xfree86 |
| 19:03.15 | nvz | nixuser: I've never dealt with xorg, but xfree86 has a supported cards on their website |
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| 19:03.25 | somePriest | Ok, thanks all, take care. |
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| 19:03.37 | xim | nixuser: drm.sf.net |
| 19:03.42 | nixuser | coulda fooled me, i didnt see anything about graphics cards |
| 19:03.53 | nixuser | thanks |
| 19:04.03 | nvz | nixuser: http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/status.html I think |
| 19:04.05 | jelly | honschu: <iostream>? |
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| 19:05.01 | nvz | make that http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/Status.html |
| 19:05.03 | Randall64 | debian doesn't use 4.3.0 (which is dated 27 February 2003) |
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| 19:06.49 | nvz | Randall64: b.s. |
| 19:06.58 | fantomas | I got "libGL error: InitDriver failed" when trying to execute either glxinfo or glxgears. Where could be the problem? |
| 19:07.10 | nvz | Randall64: what the hell do you think is in sarge and woody? |
| 19:07.23 | nvz | !info xserver-xfree86 sarge |
| 19:07.29 | nvz | !info xserver-xfree86 woody |
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| 19:07.30 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 (sarge), Packaged size: 5607 kB, Installed size: 15616 kB |
| 19:07.30 | Randall64 | nvz: It uses 4.3.99 rc2 or somesuch (whee Xorg forked) |
| 19:07.33 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.1.0-16woody6 (woody), Packaged size: 4234 kB, Installed size: 11960 kB |
| 19:07.38 | jelly | nvz: well it's true that whatever's in sarge is not vintage '03. |
| 19:07.47 | nvz | Randall64: it uses 4.3.0 |
| 19:08.16 | nvz | jelly: yeah of course because of lisc issues its different |
| 19:08.17 | Randall64 | nvz: well, if the bot says so ... |
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| 19:08.40 | hyksos | hi, someone knows is there a flipper game in the debian apt-repo? |
| 19:08.55 | nvz | hyksos: flipper? |
| 19:09.03 | nvz | as in the tv show about the dolphin? |
| 19:09.08 | tarzeau | isn't flipper a dolphin, like lassie is a dog? |
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| 19:09.16 | tarzeau | nvz: yeah ;) i guess he means some sort of pinball |
| 19:09.17 | jelly | nvz: no, there are a lot of patches, and I think it supports a lot more hardware than upstream 4.3.0 did. |
| 19:09.29 | hyksos | nvz : no, where you must push a ball |
| 19:09.38 | tarzeau | hyksos: you german? |
| 19:09.44 | hyksos | tarzeau :yes |
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| 19:09.53 | tarzeau | you know football is not the same like soccer |
| 19:10.01 | Randall64 | debian would be even more obsolete were it using 4.3.0 |
| 19:10.06 | nvz | hyksos: neverball, pinball *shrug* |
| 19:10.07 | tarzeau | hyksos: try apt-cache search pinball |
| 19:10.37 | tarzeau | hyksos: i know a game where you must drag a ball, that works too? |
| 19:10.44 | hyksos | tarzeau :yes, pinball |
| 19:10.46 | nvz | Randall64: debian rarely uses any upstream code. most things in debian are heavily patched |
| 19:10.52 | hyksos | tarzeau :thanks |
| 19:10.57 | jelly | Randall64: well the number is 4.3.0, but Branden & co. worked wonders from there on. |
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| 19:11.02 | dontpanic | need help getting a modem to work with sarge. |
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| 19:11.21 | nvz | debian policy doesnt allow stable packages to upgrade so changes are backported and applied when needed |
| 19:11.22 | rking | dontpanic: we are /probably/ going to need more info. |
| 19:11.33 | somePriest | How, a find thing, is it wise to link /home to /usr/home so that I can allocate space for them together, separated from / ? |
| 19:11.46 | rking | somePriest: i do that all the time |
| 19:11.54 | nvz | somePriest: why would you link it? |
| 19:11.58 | somePriest | What the heck did I just say? I meant to say, "Oh, one last thing, is it wise..." |
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| 19:12.09 | dontpanic | rking: No worries I just type slow |
| 19:12.13 | nvz | somePriest: you are the admin, if you want homes in /usr/home put them there. no need to link |
| 19:12.31 | rking | nvz: bah - who wants to type /usr/ all the time? |
| 19:12.35 | Xenguy | somePriest: hehe |
| 19:12.41 | nvz | rking: you dont have to |
| 19:12.43 | somePriest | nvz : I just didn't want to break apps that would try to write to /home/... |
| 19:12.45 | nvz | rking: you can type ~ |
| 19:12.58 | nvz | somePriest: if apps do that then they are already broken |
| 19:12.59 | rking | nvz: not all apps take ~ |
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| 19:13.13 | dontpanic | every thing I have seen reference tty/modem, i am not seeing that in the dev file |
| 19:13.22 | dontpanic | do I need it? |
| 19:13.31 | nvz | somePriest: but yeah you could do it for compatibility if you wish I suppose. I dont |
| 19:13.40 | somePriest | nvz : So you're suggesting when I adduser I explicitly give the path for that user? Can I change the default so that /usr/home is where it creates home DIRs if not specified elsewhere? |
| 19:13.51 | nvz | somePriest: my local users are in /home/ but my remote users are in /srv/ somewhere |
| 19:13.55 | rking | dontpanic: do you have /dev/ttyS0 ? |
| 19:14.07 | rking | dontpanic: and can you cat /dev/ttyS0 ? |
| 19:14.34 | nvz | somePriest: like homedirs for my samba users are /srv/samba/ but those users dont even login or run applications so I never had a problem |
| 19:14.45 | jelly | somePriest: there's also /etc/adduser.conf |
| 19:14.52 | dontpanic | rking: I belive I do let me double check |
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| 19:15.18 | somePriest | jelly : That'll likely do the trick then. |
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| 19:15.45 | SJr | Hey guys to make sure with ebtables / iptables I should just create a script that has all the commands I want and put that in my run level directories right? |
| 19:16.06 | somePriest | If I make a partition to hold /usr and home, during install time is it possible to tell the installer that both of those DIRs should be mounted on the same partition? |
| 19:16.06 | tarzeau | SJr: yes |
| 19:16.09 | servus | SJr: Look at iptables-save and iptables-restore |
| 19:16.24 | SJr | servus what about ebtables :) |
| 19:16.50 | nvz | what about vegtables? |
| 19:16.54 | nvz | er |
| 19:16.58 | ke6isf | ebtables? |
| 19:16.58 | nvz | vegetables |
| 19:17.01 | SJr | also every boot I have to enable ip_forward in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 19:17.02 | servus | I don't use it; can't tell you. |
| 19:17.08 | dontpanic | rking: cat is just hanging |
| 19:17.17 | tarzeau | nvz: heh |
| 19:17.32 | nvz | :) |
| 19:17.34 | tarzeau | nvz: i've run ipchains until the last week on my nat box |
| 19:17.36 | dontpanic | rking: I went in under su |
| 19:17.42 | tarzeau | nvz: on a 2.2.17presomething or so |
| 19:17.52 | rata | hi, i have testing, and just upgrade mozilla-firefox (a security update from stable), and when i open a tab window, it crash (segmentation fault). I install the older version and it works properly. I have installed the tab-extension too... Any one knows about it ? |
| 19:17.53 | tarzeau | nvz: and now i got 2.4.31/iptables and wondershaper |
| 19:17.55 | nvz | yeah I remember 2.2.x |
| 19:18.18 | rking | dontpanic: ok, that's basically good - it didn't say "No such device", which is what we were after |
| 19:18.25 | rking | dontpanic: so there's your serial modem: /dev/ttyS0 |
| 19:18.33 | tarzeau | nvz: i also remember 2.0.x but that was really not so cool |
| 19:18.35 | nvz | I think 2.0.x was current when I first tried linux. by time I found debian 2.2.17 or something was current |
| 19:18.44 | tarzeau | nvz: same here |
| 19:18.44 | rking | dontpanic: if you have another serial port, it will be /dev/ttyS1 |
| 19:19.03 | tarzeau | nvz: what was the window manager you liked, back then? |
| 19:19.05 | nvz | I started using debian around 2001 when potato was out |
| 19:19.43 | nvz | tarzeau: I started with kde, but eventually found sawfish and fell in love and started using gnome with it.. then once gnome ditched sawfish in favor of megashitty I ditched gnome |
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| 19:19.55 | dontpanic | rking: ok I will give it a try |
| 19:20.36 | tarzeau | nvz: i also tried kde (pre 1, uncached menus) and gnome. it so was the horror, i never liked both. so i used wmaker which still rocks for me |
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| 19:21.03 | tarzeau | nvz: and i somehow hated all that were acting/looking like windows .. i started using linux because suddenly win98 didn't work anymore |
| 19:21.19 | nvz | tarzeau: there are wms that come close to the features of sawfish but none of them have anything like sawfish-ui to configure on the fly. I can bind any part of the configurator to a key combo and pop it up quickly and modify settings that take effect immediatly. when I am in the mood to actually use my mouse I like to be able to do alot of clicky-clicky |
| 19:21.30 | somePriest | Does a partition need a single "root" (upper-most) directory? |
| 19:21.38 | Randall64 | I started using linux because dos was just a game loader. |
| 19:22.14 | jkern | somePriest, a partition must be mounted somewhere, yes. |
| 19:22.22 | nvz | tarzeau: like WindowMaker I like its configurator and menu editor.. its really cool wm. but the keybidings are primative compared to sawfish's context based bindings |
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| 19:22.32 | ke6isf | Is there some way to tell Gnome to use a different wm? |
| 19:22.33 | nvz | tarzeau: and it cannot match windows |
| 19:22.48 | streuner | haha |
| 19:22.53 | nvz | ke6isf: yeah dont install megashitty is the easiest way then it doesnt have a choice |
| 19:22.55 | me_here | anyone knows how to get perl modules via cpan in debian proper ? |
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| 19:23.07 | asg | me_here: dh-make-perl |
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| 19:23.09 | nvz | ke6isf: though now adays megashitty is the only thing that will integrate themewise |
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| 19:23.21 | streuner | me_here: use dh_make_perl |
| 19:23.30 | streuner | me_here: use dh-make-perl |
| 19:23.33 | asg | me_here: unless apt-cache search Foo::Bar fails to produce and existing package. |
| 19:23.48 | me_here | ok thx all |
| 19:24.20 | Rickyx | asg: Does that type of search string work ? |
| 19:24.27 | foo8ar | How could I disble autoload of frambuffer modules? YES I have read the blacklist faq, YES i have entered fbcon/vesafb/vga16fb in the blacklist file AND discover.conf ?? |
| 19:24.30 | asg | Rickyx: sometimes |
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| 19:25.02 | myren | whats up with the ABI change? |
| 19:25.04 | nvz | foo8ar: there is probably a kernel param you can pass I would check the kernel fb docs |
| 19:25.05 | tarzeau | nvz: want a funny game? |
| 19:25.17 | nvz | foo8ar: like passing nofb or something to the kernel at boot |
| 19:25.18 | myren | all these -c2 packages are causing me serious havock |
| 19:25.31 | tarzeau | myren: what are you tryin' to do? |
| 19:25.34 | myren | i havent the foggiest idea what it is going on... |
| 19:25.38 | nvz | myren: could be worse they could be -c4 and highly explosive |
| 19:25.40 | foo8ar | nvz: ok I will try |
| 19:25.44 | asg | Rickyx: if the maintainer mentions the module in the Description. I can't remember offhand if they are supposed to by policy. |
| 19:26.05 | nvz | myren: whats up with it? we cant use GCC 3 forever |
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| 19:26.09 | rob_lt | How can I find an older version of a package. I want to downgrade firefox by one release, since it seems very broken right now on my up to date sarge machine. |
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| 19:26.19 | myren | nvz: its a switch to gcc4? i only guessed that.... |
| 19:26.21 | nvz | tarzeau: what game? |
| 19:26.36 | tarzeau | nvz: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/xrick/ a rick dangerous clone |
| 19:26.42 | myren | i'm just trying to do general package maintence + updating on sid |
| 19:26.50 | tarzeau | myren: which packages? |
| 19:26.53 | takatumi | rob_lt: nothing in /var/cache/apt/archives/? |
| 19:27.07 | myren | i'm having problems with ogre. libdevil is being problematic |
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| 19:27.30 | Rickyx | asg: The other way is like this, say perl modules for example, HTML::Something, will be packaged probably as libhtml-something-perl |
| 19:27.30 | myren | but its pretty generally sympotmiatc. i've put off installing all sorts of packages recently |
| 19:27.33 | nvz | tarzeau: I am incredibly unlikely to try packages with no description or screenshots. I am not that adventurous for all I know it may not even run on my system |
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| 19:27.41 | Rickyx | asg: Maybe that's mandated in the policy |
| 19:27.55 | tarzeau | nvz: freshmeat.net/projects/xrick/ |
| 19:27.58 | asg | Rickyx: yes. Also, apt-file search Module.pm works (I looked at the policy btw, it isn't required.) |
| 19:28.07 | myren | tarzeau: i wanted to try gobby but it was cuasing conflicts |
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| 19:28.31 | Rickyx | asg: IIRC apt-file downloads its own database. Right ? |
| 19:28.39 | myren | Q: is there any way to view wm docklets in MetaCity or gnome? |
| 19:28.49 | asg | Rickyx: right |
| 19:28.54 | myren | i'm looking for a program to act as dock |
| 19:29.04 | asg | Rickyx: apt-file update ; apt-file search Foo.pm |
| 19:29.33 | Rickyx | asg: That's what I (and may be others) don't like. One more download overhead. |
| 19:29.34 | myren | i'm trying to switch from openbox to metacity+perlpanel, but i want to keep my dockapps. metacity doesnt handle dockapps at all |
| 19:29.42 | rob_lt | takatumi, never thought to look :) Thanks, I'm sure that will be it. |
| 19:29.43 | Rickyx | asg: But that's a real powerful utility |
| 19:29.50 | nvz | tarzeau: hmm, never made it into debian yet? |
| 19:29.58 | asg | Rickyx: well, the overhead isn't *that* much. Not more than an 'apt-get update' |
| 19:30.03 | somePriest | Does it really matter what kernel version you use with which release version? Can any 3.1r0a use any 2.6 kernel, for example? |
| 19:30.09 | tarzeau | nvz: the problem is the graphics are from the original game .. go figure |
| 19:30.22 | nvz | tarzeau: ah. |
| 19:30.26 | asg | somePriest: it can; you'll have to compile it yourself though (/msg dpkg kp) |
| 19:30.38 | nvz | tarzeau: non-free data packages then is why its not in debian. |
| 19:30.42 | Rickyx | asg: But it counts as an add-on overhead still in countries like India and Nepal. |
| 19:30.54 | nvz | tarzeau: needs someone to write free gamedata package |
| 19:31.09 | tarzeau | nvz: you think anyone could do that in time? |
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| 19:31.16 | warz | bonsoir |
| 19:31.19 | asg | Rickyx: true. If you are running stable, it amounts to essentially a one-time download since no new packages go into stable. |
| 19:31.24 | asg | !fr |
| 19:31.24 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 19:31.25 | somePriest | asg : Ya, I've made kernels before. Is it wise to make DEBs from configs you make with menuconfig? |
| 19:31.26 | Rickyx | asg: But it's a utility worth to install and do a apt-file update once, say, every month. |
| 19:31.32 | nvz | tarzeau: they've done it for things like freecraft and such |
| 19:31.39 | asg | Rickyx: agreed |
| 19:31.41 | jkern | somePriest, not really but many experts here highly recommend using the debian kernel-image packages |
| 19:31.47 | tarzeau | nvz: you know i've got another game with free gamedata (but they think the level design is too much of a copy) it won't ever hit main |
| 19:31.47 | asg | somePriest: sure, it make package management easier. |
| 19:32.01 | nvz | tarzeau: I dont think debian policy even allows you to package the game and then package the data files in non-free because I think its against policy for a package to require non-free |
| 19:32.01 | asg | somePriest: make-kpkg can build debs from vanilla kernels easily. |
| 19:32.12 | tarzeau | nvz: http://groups.google.ch/group/linux.debian.devel/browse_thread/thread/631dd362b1cf92ef/7ab5852f2c39d9ee?lnk=st&q=itp+mazeofgalious&rnum=1&hl=de |
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| 19:32.24 | tarzeau | nvz: i know |
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| 19:32.40 | streuner | somePriest: its not a bad idea to just use official kernel-images either |
| 19:32.42 | tarzeau | nvz: but if someone would remake the graphics, and release it as free software.. |
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| 19:32.51 | asg | Rickyx: another option for the bandwidth limited is to /msg our bot (/msg dpkg find bin/foo) |
| 19:32.58 | tarzeau | streuner: sometimes that's not possible (hardware support) |
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| 19:33.15 | Rickyx | asg: He he . Cool! |
| 19:33.21 | fred_e | Hey guys..whenever i put wlan0 i can no longer ping localhost..anyone know why this could be? |
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| 19:33.45 | asg | fred_e: /sbin/ifconfig. does 'lo' show up as an interface? |
| 19:33.53 | fred_e | asg: yup |
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| 19:33.59 | warz | someone can help me to install driver for wg511t |
| 19:34.01 | Rickyx | asg: Because of bandwidth limitation and dial-up connections still in these countries , I wrote a small utility which helps in this regard. Still incomplete but works upto some extent. http://pypt-offline.sf.net |
| 19:34.05 | asg | fred_e: can you ping 127.0.0.1? |
| 19:34.08 | somePriest | streuner : Using a kernel image doesn't prevent me from configging it before its compiled does it? I've never used that method before. |
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| 19:34.18 | asg | Rickyx: cool |
| 19:34.26 | fred_e | nope..100% packet loss |
| 19:34.32 | dli | tarzeau, ipcheck works for dyndns.org, hope someone would package it to run as daemon in debian |
| 19:35.00 | streuner | somePriest: those kernel-images exist for a reason... |
| 19:35.02 | myren | i've been digging google a couple days |
| 19:35.04 | asg | fred_e: well, that's bizarre. |
| 19:35.05 | nvz | tarzeau: there is definatly a shortage of dedicated artists in free software. I tried getting my cousin interested enough to jump on some bandwagon.. he's a good artist, and went to two different schools Pittsburgh Technical Institute and International Academy of Art and Design. |
| 19:35.08 | fred_e | asg: I'd say |
| 19:35.17 | myren | anyone know an app which will show wm dockapps in other window managers |
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| 19:35.25 | asg | fred_e: out of curiosity, what IP does /sbin/ifconfig indicate 'lo' has? |
| 19:35.26 | streuner | somePriest: some people play with those and fucked their hardware... |
| 19:35.29 | jkern | somePriest, the convenience of the kernel-image package is that there are already compiled with all the modules ready to be installed. |
| 19:35.35 | tarzeau | dli: there's ez-ipupdate or so already |
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| 19:35.45 | fred_e | asg: doesnt list an ip for lo |
| 19:35.49 | nvz | tarzeau: I showed him like the supertux website which has good development section showing ideas for future artwork and how he could easily jump into a project and work at his own pace and become known world-wide |
| 19:36.04 | streuner | somePriest: some dude i know, compiled a kernel-image and fscked his SCSI-HD, wrong driver |
| 19:36.06 | somePriest | streuner : for example I would want usb support (usb-storage), and support for my printer, etc |
| 19:36.06 | dli | tarzeau, ez-ipupdate gets ip from an interface, then, it's 192.168 |
| 19:36.13 | asg | fred_e: that's the problem then. make sure 'lo' has an entry in /etc/network/interfaces and an 'auto lo' entry as well. |
| 19:36.13 | tarzeau | nvz: yeah new supertux worlds would be cool ;) |
| 19:36.18 | asg | fred_e: if one exists, try ifup lo |
| 19:36.18 | somePriest | jkern : Ya, but likely don't support my needs. Possibly anyway. |
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| 19:36.22 | tarzeau | nvz: the new bonus levels of 0.1.3 are way too hard |
| 19:36.23 | streuner | somePriest: as module avaiable in kernel-images |
| 19:36.26 | fred_e | asg: i just ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 - now i can seem to ping |
| 19:36.44 | somePriest | streuner : Do they come with EVERYTHING as a module? |
| 19:36.45 | fred_e | asg: yep, does have an entry..may not have been up |
| 19:36.53 | asg | fred_e: yeah probably not. |
| 19:36.57 | fred_e | asg: thanks ;) |
| 19:37.00 | jkern | somePriest, If the kernel-image is not for you then use the kernel-package utilities |
| 19:37.01 | asg | fred_e: you're welcome |
| 19:37.01 | foo8ar | nvz: still those fb modules :( |
| 19:37.06 | tarzeau | nvz: amiga had very much artists |
| 19:37.10 | EfaistOs | is the libc6 in unstable okay to install today ? |
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| 19:37.20 | streuner | somePriest: almost, we made them just to make sure it works for almost everybody |
| 19:37.29 | SJr | for ebtables can I specify a protocols like |
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| 19:37.35 | SJr | --proto tcp,udp or would that be illegal |
| 19:37.35 | somePriest | streuner : Reasonable enough. |
| 19:37.35 | foo8ar | ? |
| 19:37.47 | tarzeau | nvz: they've also had cool tools to make music and graphics. not the shit we have: gimp, audacit |
| 19:37.49 | asg | EfaistOs: it's been okay so far but I don't run Gnome/KDE so if you do, I can't comment on breakage. Check the bts first to be sure. |
| 19:37.51 | tarzeau | y |
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| 19:38.32 | EfaistOs | asg, ok for the informations |
| 19:38.33 | warz | someone can help me to install driver for wg511t |
| 19:38.46 | warz | plz |
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| 19:38.55 | tarzeau | warz: which kernel? |
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| 19:39.04 | warz | 2.4.27 |
| 19:39.07 | tarzeau | warz: where's the driver? |
| 19:39.26 | warz | the url? |
| 19:39.39 | tarzeau | warz: yes please |
| 19:39.45 | warz | wait plz |
| 19:40.15 | dwu | move * |
| 19:40.31 | dave1 | hi there. I can't get GAIM to allow alsa sounds. it only allows consolse beep or command. it installed libao and libaudiofile0 when I installed gaim. any way to diagnose or fix this? |
| 19:40.35 | shmloe | anyone got quake3 towork? |
| 19:40.38 | shmloe | to work |
| 19:40.45 | bismark | hello everyone, please someone can help me? with this error, mkisofs: Uh oh, I cant find the boot catalog directory 'isolinux'! |
| 19:40.50 | tarzeau | dave1: you do have alsa installed? |
| 19:41.02 | bismark | im trying to create a livecd |
| 19:41.06 | tarzeau | bismark: what's the full mkisofs command you try? |
| 19:41.06 | dave1 | tarzeau: yes. |
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| 19:41.17 | nvz | why the fuck are so many people comming in here asking about quake 3 today? |
| 19:41.21 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:41.21 | dpkg | <thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis |
| 19:41.23 | tarzeau | nvz: it was on /. |
| 19:41.25 | nvz | is this #id-software |
| 19:41.39 | bismark | tarzeau: tarzeaumkisofs -l -r -J -V "LiveCD" -hide-rr-moved -v -b ./isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o imagen.iso /mnt/master |
| 19:41.44 | nvz | the first line of the /topic should say we dont fucking care what /. says |
| 19:41.56 | asg | nvz: that's why greycat wrote the sid faq |
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| 19:42.16 | tarzeau | bismark: maybe you want -c ./isolin... ? |
| 19:42.24 | bismark | tarzeau: the file boot.cat dont exist |
| 19:42.27 | nvz | asg: why, because of /. ? |
| 19:42.30 | myren | fuck, no wonder these gnome people always seemed like troglodytes. they hvent discovered dockapps! |
| 19:42.39 | tarzeau | bismark: so you want to create it? |
| 19:42.54 | asg | nvz: yeah, there was some article that basically caused everyone to start running sid and then moaning in here. |
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| 19:42.55 | tarzeau | myren: which is your favourite dockapp? |
| 19:43.14 | kbs | I have a somewhat old desktop, I'd basically like to be able to get it into some sort of soft power down mode on shutdown -- what packages should I be looking at? ACPI? [rather uneducated about this -- please suggest links to find out more] |
| 19:43.21 | tarzeau | myren: mine are bubblefishymon, preferences and timemon.app, wmnd, wmhdplop, wmpinboard |
| 19:43.23 | nvz | myren: gnome uses panels and panel applets they dont do docklets that a completly different style interface |
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| 19:43.31 | dave1 | i use alsamixer etc and it works fine. |
| 19:43.39 | tarzeau | nvz: those panels are way too small for my eyes |
| 19:43.48 | nvz | asg: slashdot is a disgrace to geeks everywhere |
| 19:43.53 | myren | tarzeau: i run wmclockmon, wmcpuload, wmwifi, wmbatteries and sometimes wmhdplop or wmcube |
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| 19:43.58 | asg | nvz: but a boon for trolls |
| 19:43.58 | bismark | tarzeau: just i want to create my livecd |
| 19:44.04 | myren | i actually like gnomes' xpad as my fav pad |
| 19:44.16 | tarzeau | bismark: what is special about your live cd? |
| 19:44.18 | myren | nvz: its just insane there's no app to act like a dock |
| 19:44.20 | nvz | tarzeau: they are configurable you know. the properties let you make them as big as you like. |
| 19:44.31 | nvz | myren: there is its called a panel |
| 19:44.33 | myren | nvz: especially since dockapps do not work at all if you try to run them as a program: they dont refresh |
| 19:44.33 | bismark | tarzeau: look this Nodo:/mnt/master/isolinux# ls |
| 19:44.34 | bismark | bootlogo cdroot conf imagen.iso initrd isolinux.bin isolinux.cfg memtest message script.sh vmlinuz |
| 19:44.34 | bismark | Nodo:/mnt/master/isolinux# mkisofs -l -r -J -V "LiveCD" -hide-rr-moved -v -b isolinux.bin -c boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o imagen.iso /mnt/master |
| 19:44.34 | bismark | INFO: ISO-8859-1 character encoding detected by locale settings. |
| 19:44.34 | bismark | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:44.39 | tarzeau | myren: did you try the space shuttle in wmcube? i sent that in ;) |
| 19:44.49 | myren | tarzeau: too slow for this thing. :( |
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| 19:44.56 | nvz | myren: use wmaker with gnome then ffs :P |
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| 19:45.08 | myren | crusoe 800. the memory subsystem is just shite. :/ |
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| 19:45.16 | myren | nvz: ffs? what is that? |
| 19:45.17 | SJr | with ebtables or iptables do I have to specify each line for each non consecutive range of ports |
| 19:45.19 | gabo | hi |
| 19:45.20 | asg | !ffs |
| 19:45.20 | dpkg | hmm... ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 19:45.22 | SJr | ? |
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| 19:45.28 | nvz | myren: or make a custom xsession with what you want. wmaker, nautilus, gnome-settings-daemon |
| 19:45.40 | asg | SJr: #iptables or read the IPTables HOWTO at tldp.org |
| 19:45.44 | myren | wmhdplop is sooo awsome |
| 19:46.03 | SJr | asg I'm reading the ebtables right now |
| 19:46.13 | asg | wtf are ebtables |
| 19:46.17 | foo8ar | what process loads the vesafb module? |
| 19:46.21 | SJr | layer 2 iptables |
| 19:46.24 | SJr | for mac addresses and what not. |
| 19:46.28 | asg | ah, okay, *those* tables |
| 19:46.28 | myren | nvz: how will gnome render if wmaker is running? |
| 19:46.36 | myren | i pimped out my metacity theme yesterday |
| 19:46.49 | myren | maybe i should slink back to openbox |
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| 19:46.53 | nvz | myren: yeah it will break your theme support a bit |
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| 19:51.48 | dave1 | so I have alsa-base 1.0.5a-1 alsa-utils 1.0.5-3 no alsa-modules package installed though |
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| 19:51.59 | dave1 | i will check if I manually compiled it before |
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| 19:54.10 | dave1 | hmmm i have a custom compiled kernel. |
| 19:55.15 | DoppelGanger | i have a toothpick |
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| 19:56.38 | SJr | When I start my machine which run levels are started in what order? |
| 19:56.59 | dave1 | so it looks like ALSA is comiled in this kernel. so why would GAIM not notice it? |
| 19:57.22 | DoppelGanger | k now i have to read dave1 problem |
| 19:57.56 | tung | the command groups tung, tells me what groups im in |
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| 19:58.13 | tung | whats the command to tell me what members are in a certain group? |
| 19:58.21 | tung | like members www-data .. |
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| 19:58.50 | tarzeau | tung: for a certain user? |
| 19:58.56 | ezsquirt | i tried to install a pkg with dpkg, dpkg did copy some files but broke during installation, this package is reported when --yet-to-unpack, how could i remove this one ? |
| 19:59.05 | tarzeau | dave1: which kernel version exactly? |
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| 19:59.28 | tarzeau | dave1: i've got alsa 1.0.8/9 stuff here |
| 19:59.30 | tung | tarzeau: for the whole group |
| 19:59.33 | dave1 | tarzeau: 2.6.9 i looked with lsmod and I have many snd_* modules loaded. alsa was compiled as a module |
| 19:59.44 | tarzeau | tung: you're confusing |
| 19:59.48 | tung | nevermind, its just groups www-data, im outta it right now |
| 19:59.53 | tarzeau | tung: you can check id user what groups user is in |
| 20:00.14 | tung | tarzeau: yes, i am confusing |
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| 20:00.32 | tung | tarzeau: thanks |
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| 20:00.57 | chealer | tung: www-data is also a user. groups www-data just tells you that www-data user is in www-data group |
| 20:01.10 | tarzeau | takatumi! |
| 20:01.15 | chealer | not that there are no other members in www-data |
| 20:01.24 | sombra | which package(s) do I need to translate swedish-english and vice versa? |
| 20:01.37 | takatumi | tarzeau! |
| 20:01.48 | wog_ | hi people |
| 20:01.55 | sombra | anyone? |
| 20:02.01 | wog_ | i have a little question about security |
| 20:02.17 | wog_ | i have an account on a linux server.... |
| 20:02.26 | tarzeau | !anyone |
| 20:02.26 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 20:02.37 | wog_ | there i have installed an php application |
| 20:02.47 | wog_ | tikiwiki |
| 20:02.53 | tarzeau | wog_: twiki ? |
| 20:02.58 | wog_ | tiki has a config file |
| 20:03.00 | wog_ | yes |
| 20:03.03 | tung | chealer: so how do you do it the other way around? find out what users are part of the group www-data? |
| 20:03.05 | tarzeau | wog_: haha |
| 20:03.06 | dave1 | so I am wondering if the alsa packages are working correctly since I compiled the drivers manually. actually i did make-kpkg and installed it that way. |
| 20:03.13 | tarzeau | wog_: i woudln't trust that machine... |
| 20:03.14 | wog_ | where the db password is set |
| 20:03.17 | tarzeau | wog_: which kernel version? |
| 20:03.23 | wog_ | don't know |
| 20:03.27 | wog_ | but look |
| 20:03.28 | tarzeau | wog_: type uname -a |
| 20:03.34 | wog_ | my question is this |
| 20:03.46 | chealer | tung: I don't know |
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| 20:03.51 | wog_ | how can i protect the config file |
| 20:03.58 | wog_ | so that nobody else than me |
| 20:03.59 | tarzeau | wog_: from who? |
| 20:04.02 | tarzeau | wog_: you can't |
| 20:04.06 | wog_ | can look up the password |
| 20:04.13 | tarzeau | wog_: make hashes of the passwords |
| 20:04.13 | wog_ | i can't? |
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| 20:04.26 | jonkri | hey... quake3 arena is gpl'ed ;-) http://games.slashdot.org/games/05/08/20/1329236.shtml?tid=112&tid=156&tid=10 |
| 20:04.28 | tarzeau | wog_: not really |
| 20:04.30 | jonkri | when will there be deb files? :-) |
| 20:04.35 | E-bola | Is there anyway to better monitor a server? |
| 20:04.39 | tarzeau | jonkri: if you make one |
| 20:04.45 | E-bola | my server sometimes crashes without any at all in the logs |
| 20:04.46 | wog_ | but, i have to save that password in plain? |
| 20:04.58 | wog_ | err i mean a clear password |
| 20:05.00 | jonkri | tarzeau: i don't know how to do that |
| 20:05.00 | tarzeau | E-bola: look into it? hardware problems? heating? |
| 20:05.14 | tarzeau | jonkri: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ read the debian-packaging tutorial |
| 20:05.20 | tarzeau | wog_: why? |
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| 20:05.22 | wog_ | what about htaccess file |
| 20:05.31 | tarzeau | wog_: htaccess support password hashes |
| 20:05.36 | Zap-W | is it possible to downgrade from etch to sarge? |
| 20:05.37 | jonkri | thnx |
| 20:05.40 | tarzeau | Zap-W: No |
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| 20:05.55 | Zap-W | it hasnt been long since the release.. |
| 20:06.08 | tarzeau | Zap-W: so? |
| 20:06.21 | tarzeau | Zap-W: sarge never got the packages etch got |
| 20:06.22 | Zap-W | so most packages are the same no? |
| 20:06.30 | tarzeau | Zap-W: no |
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| 20:06.53 | catlee_ | Good afternoon |
| 20:07.13 | E-bola | tarzeau: well thats sorta a grey area |
| 20:07.15 | Zap-W | a bunch of stuff are starting to break |
| 20:07.19 | catlee_ | Are there any good packages for managing different network profiles on a laptop? Is /etc/network/interfaces sufficient? |
| 20:07.27 | E-bola | and i dont have it here locally, gotta drive a long way to get to it |
| 20:07.32 | tarzeau | Zap-W: yes it's not stable after all |
| 20:07.32 | Zap-W | i upgraded samba , and the on demand virus scaning on the share stopped working |
| 20:07.42 | tarzeau | Zap-W: that's normal |
| 20:07.45 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 20:07.45 | dpkg | hmm... sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 20:07.48 | E-bola | i just hoped linux was better at not crashing completely without a trace of what went wrong |
| 20:07.50 | Zap-W | a bunch of packages are missing too |
| 20:08.19 | tarzeau | E-bola: got nonfree software on the machine? |
| 20:08.32 | Zap-W | i dont run unstable |
| 20:08.34 | Zap-W | i run testing |
| 20:08.43 | tarzeau | catlee_: mabye laptop-net - Automatically adapt laptop ethernet |
| 20:08.52 | tarzeau | Zap-W: the same applies |
| 20:09.03 | tarzeau | catlee_: or whereami - Automatically reconfigure your (laptop) system for a new location |
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| 20:09.12 | Zap-W | anyway i still need to downgrade to sarge |
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| 20:09.31 | tarzeau | Zap-W: re-install |
| 20:09.41 | Zap-W | i need stability in my life |
| 20:09.54 | Zap-W | i read once about some nasty scripts that do the job |
| 20:10.01 | dli | Zap-W, testing is pretty stable to me |
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| 20:10.48 | Zap-W | dli: do you have samba working with clamav? |
| 20:11.03 | E-bola | tarzeau: ehh no? |
| 20:11.04 | E-bola | hehe |
| 20:11.14 | E-bola | standard debian install, only running a webserver |
| 20:11.15 | dli | Zap-W, no, I don't have windows here |
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| 20:11.45 | tarzeau | E-bola: could really be some broken hardware no? |
| 20:11.56 | sbk | I see a bunch of module errors on bootup coming (I think) from the hotplug init script. I assume these are benign; is there a recommended way to 'fine tune' what it does, so it (a) runs faster (b) generates less errors ? |
| 20:11.57 | tarzeau | E-bola: can you check if the system gets hot? disks? fans? |
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| 20:13.05 | dli | E-bola, if it crashes often, run memtest86 |
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| 20:13.31 | nautiazn85 | I'm trying to decide between a music player. I'm using fluxbox. My choices are: amarok, juk, and rhythmbox. What do you guys recommend? |
| 20:13.34 | pow3r | jordin se corto la energ?a, tengo instalado tambien el source |
| 20:13.44 | tarzeau | nautiazn85: i use ocp and madplay and xmms |
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| 20:13.51 | tarzeau | nautiazn85: for ocp, try gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/ |
| 20:13.56 | tarzeau | nautiazn85: cynthiune.app is nice too |
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| 20:15.28 | asg | nautiazn85: mpd + one of its many interfaces |
| 20:15.42 | E-bola | dlik: i did run memtest |
| 20:15.50 | E-bola | its not the ram, atleast multiple memtest showed no problems |
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| 20:16.09 | E-bola | Im gonna buy a new mobo, the one int he server is crap, and the onboard nic got issues in linux |
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| 20:16.20 | E-bola | Do anybody have any tips on how to find a stable athlon xp board for linux? |
| 20:16.44 | oskie | not asus a7v266c at least |
| 20:17.10 | E-bola | i was actualy planning on getting an asus, i have had great experfience with them |
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| 20:17.29 | dli | E-bola, I don't understand, if it's mb, how can it pass the memtest |
| 20:17.32 | oskie | during heavy PCI i/o, the system clock drifts. maybe it's due to asus "experiments" with clock |
| 20:17.54 | dli | E-bola, yes, I have a cluster of athlon-xp and athlon-mp |
| 20:18.04 | E-bola | dli |
| 20:18.14 | E-bola | memtest the memory |
| 20:18.18 | dli | E-bola, asus motherboard, very stable |
| 20:18.19 | E-bola | not the mobo as far as i know |
| 20:18.28 | E-bola | dli: what mobo's do u use? |
| 20:18.53 | dli | E-bola, cpu talks to RAM chips through the motherboard |
| 20:19.13 | E-bola | dli: sure but there are more parts on a mobo... |
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| 20:19.46 | E-bola | say ur onboard controller is buggy under windows, i doubt a memtest will show tyat |
| 20:19.54 | E-bola | windows=linux even :) |
| 20:20.13 | dli | E-bola, then, there should be some logs |
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| 20:20.26 | E-bola | dli: that was what i was hoping for but there arent :( |
| 20:20.27 | marcel_ | 6^5^r Wahl DEINER x |
| 20:20.27 | marcel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.28 | marcel_ | [22:12:09] <@pinguin> Crazy_K: (peng hi) Rettunr Wahl DEINER x |
| 20:20.28 | marcel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.28 | marcel_ | [22:12:09] <@pinguin> Crazy_K: (peng hi) Rettunr Wahl DEINER x |
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| 20:20.42 | dli | E-bola, boot your box through network |
| 20:20.44 | E-bola | my original question was if there was any way to turn up the verbosity of system logs |
| 20:20.55 | marcel_ | [22:12:09] <@pinguin> Crazy_K: (peng hi) Rettunr Wahl DEINER x |
| 20:20.55 | marcel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.01 | E-bola | dli: my controller isnt an issue, it was just an example |
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| 20:21.03 | tarzeau | marcel_: can you fucking stop that? |
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| 20:21.27 | E-bola | also this motherboard is utter crap |
| 20:21.30 | E-bola | asrock something |
| 20:21.40 | _UFO_ | hmz |
| 20:21.50 | _UFO_ | is this a debian support channel ? |
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| 20:21.55 | tarzeau | _UFO_: yes |
| 20:22.00 | _UFO_ | okej |
| 20:22.03 | dli | E-bola, what's your mobo? I knew asus is good, so I chose it |
| 20:22.04 | uoeh | How are you? |
| 20:22.07 | _UFO_ | my ftpd just stoppen "working" |
| 20:22.08 | marcel_ | s/quit |
| 20:22.17 | E-bola | dl: asrock something |
| 20:22.18 | tarzeau | _UFO_: did you upgrade glibc? |
| 20:22.22 | E-bola | im gonna buy an asus now |
| 20:22.25 | _UFO_ | hm |
| 20:22.28 | _UFO_ | i'll try now |
| 20:22.44 | dli | E-bola, did you test CPU temperature? |
| 20:23.02 | dli | E-bola, if there's no log, overheating is the usual cause |
| 20:23.22 | dli | E-bola, then, don't blame your mobo |
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| 20:25.41 | rfm | dli, E-bola: besides overheating, a marginal power supply can cause this |
| 20:26.40 | dli | rtm right, how to test psu? |
| 20:26.42 | E-bola | yep i already bought a new psu |
| 20:26.51 | E-bola | thats the other possibility |
| 20:27.12 | E-bola | i had a 500w crap cheap q-tec psu and recently it started acting up, shuttingn down at random and sometimes not wanting to boot |
| 20:27.27 | E-bola | after messing around, we pulled 4 drives out and put in a dell 250w psu, which is way too little |
| 20:27.35 | E-bola | but still it booted, and apeared to run fine |
| 20:27.48 | E-bola | or well it seems to run ok for 1-2 days at a time |
| 20:28.11 | E-bola | I have ordered a 550w antec psu, but i just thought i'd get a new mobo too since they are dirt cheap for technology this old |
| 20:28.30 | dli | E-bola, oh, since you have so many devices, sounds reasonable |
| 20:28.49 | dli | E-bola, no reason to waste your money, still |
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| 20:29.45 | E-bola | well as i said the onboard sis nic is buggy under windows |
| 20:29.53 | dennis_ | hello |
| 20:29.55 | E-bola | it times out and kills the connection sooner or later |
| 20:30.07 | E-bola | so thats another reason to change the mobo, not to mention the mobo is just bad |
| 20:30.12 | E-bola | asrock.... nuff said :) |
| 20:30.17 | dli | E-bola, asus is not so cheap, I think |
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| 20:30.39 | E-bola | dli: it is |
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| 20:30.42 | nvz | I |
| 20:30.45 | mischko | anyone here using cyrus sasl to authenticate against a database? I need some config help. |
| 20:30.46 | E-bola | remember athlon xp is farely old |
| 20:31.05 | E-bola | would u guys go with a via chipset or nforce2? |
| 20:31.09 | dli | E-bola, it makes sense to me, if it's the psu, because during memtest86, there's no activity for hdds, which may consume quite a lot |
| 20:31.13 | E-bola | mmm since this is debian chan im guessing via hehe |
| 20:31.23 | dennis_ | has anybody have expirience with Mepis |
| 20:31.27 | E-bola | dli: good point |
| 20:31.28 | tarzeau | dennis_: no |
| 20:31.29 | nvz | I've been setting here all day trying to figure out how to drink this bevrage. says contains sulfites refidgerate after opening.. does that mean I have to drink it in the refridgerator. or I have to try drink it without opening it :P |
| 20:31.47 | dennis_ | ok |
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| 20:32.09 | SJr | Whats wrong with this bash script: http://pastebin.com/341805 |
| 20:32.22 | MikeW | I'm installing debian sarge that came on a coverdisk. I can't believe how many questions It's asking me in the configuration. Was there an 'auto detect everything' option I missed somewhere? |
| 20:32.36 | tarzeau | SJr: tried runing it with #!/bin/bash -x ? |
| 20:32.45 | SJr | negatory |
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| 20:32.51 | dli | nvz: drink it, and put yourself in to a freezer |
| 20:33.01 | tarzeau | SJr: $FERMAT is wrong, must be FERMAT="12.3" no spaces |
| 20:33.04 | nvz | SJr: the $ signs arent suppose to be ther |
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| 20:33.12 | DaDave | hi all |
| 20:33.13 | nvz | SJr: or the spaces |
| 20:33.13 | tarzeau | nvz: on line 2 only |
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| 20:33.28 | DaDave | how can i remove a file from CVS, but leave it on my local space? |
| 20:33.33 | _UFO_ | tarzeau, apt tells me that libc6 is up to dater |
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| 20:33.48 | tarzeau | _UFO_: the question was did you update it, and not restart the service |
| 20:33.59 | tarzeau | _UFO_: not if you have the latest version that is available to you |
| 20:34.03 | nvz | dli: I dont know why shit is so complicated anymore. got to concentrate just to drink juice, and now you got to refridgerate yourself to drink some things too |
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| 20:34.26 | _UFO_ | eh |
| 20:34.44 | _UFO_ | sorry, tarzeau, i think i don't really understand |
| 20:34.44 | SJr | Excellent thats it |
| 20:34.44 | SJr | It will be a moment before my system comes back up tho |
| 20:34.44 | SJr | thank you |
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| 20:34.51 | _UFO_ | libc6 was updated during another install |
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| 20:35.19 | tarzeau | _UFO_: restart your ftpd, and check the daemon.log in /var/log |
| 20:35.43 | ejoy | help: I deleted /var/lib/dpkg/status and status-old, now I can not apt-get anything, how to fix? |
| 20:37.02 | tarzeau | !status |
| 20:37.02 | dpkg | Since Fri Aug 19 20:10:58 2005, there have been 8 modifications, 417 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 151 commands. I have been awake for 1d 25m 55s this session, and currently reference 26167 factoids. I'm using about 15200 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 183.49/8.73 child 209.18/16.32 |
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| 20:37.21 | tarzeau | ejoy: why did you delete them? |
| 20:37.33 | _UFO_ | tarzeau, what do i have to restart if there is no ftpd running ? ;) |
| 20:37.34 | nvz | thats obviously broken |
| 20:37.40 | tarzeau | _UFO_: the ftpd |
| 20:37.44 | _UFO_ | lol |
| 20:37.55 | ejoy | tarzeau: because I apt-get sth, but do not want to install them |
| 20:37.56 | nvz | when dpkg says 0 morons you know there is something wrong |
| 20:37.58 | SJr | What does dpkg define a moron as? |
| 20:38.18 | nvz | dpkg, how do I install foo? |
| 20:38.20 | dli | ejoy, there's apt-get -d |
| 20:38.26 | _UFO_ | tarzeau, it looks like the ftpd is started when a client connects |
| 20:38.32 | _UFO_ | end then shuts down |
| 20:38.35 | nvz | I dont think morons works anymore because they turned off replies of things he doesnt know about |
| 20:38.35 | tarzeau | _UFO_: oh inetd ? |
| 20:38.38 | _UFO_ | yes |
| 20:38.49 | Zap-W | 3 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 220 downgraded, 0 to remove and 10 not upgraded. |
| 20:38.50 | tarzeau | _UFO_: damn is that oldschool and crappy |
| 20:38.54 | Zap-W | prepering for takeoff |
| 20:38.57 | _UFO_ | hm |
| 20:39.00 | _UFO_ | reconfigure it? |
| 20:39.07 | tarzeau | nvz: heh, true |
| 20:39.09 | WWW | names |
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| 20:39.59 | _UFO_ | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: ftpd is broken or not fully installed |
| 20:40.00 | _UFO_ | :/ |
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| 20:40.17 | tarzeau | _UFO_: that sucks |
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| 20:40.24 | tarzeau | _UFO_: you want vsftpd |
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| 20:40.28 | _UFO_ | ah.. well.. it got removed by wu-ftpd |
| 20:40.29 | _UFO_ | ;P |
| 20:40.39 | tarzeau | _UFO_: NOOO |
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| 20:40.44 | tarzeau | wu-ftpd |
| 20:40.48 | tarzeau | !wu-ftpd |
| 20:40.49 | dpkg | wu-ftpd is probably the "standard" ftpd for major installations, like wuarchive.wustl.edu (of course), cdrom.com, and metalab.unc.edu. Very configurable and powerful, just be sure you're ready with the security updates in your sources.list. Putting the "WOO" in "WEMOTE WOOT". |
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| 20:41.09 | _UFO_ | eh |
| 20:41.11 | Zap-W | pure-ftpd |
| 20:41.23 | _UFO_ | just wanted to try something different |
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| 20:41.33 | Ox12 | hello, I am using debian woddy, is it possible to run a proxy server on my box? Like I can use my ip as a proxy? |
| 20:41.35 | tarzeau | _UFO_: try shfs |
| 20:41.39 | tarzeau | _UFO_: or nfs |
| 20:41.44 | tarzeau | !woddy |
| 20:41.44 | dpkg | woddy is probably HOLY COW it's WOODY not woddy |
| 20:41.53 | _UFO_ | neh |
| 20:41.55 | _UFO_ | i need ftp |
| 20:41.57 | tarzeau | Ox12: yes try squid. but really get sarge |
| 20:42.02 | tarzeau | !ftp |
| 20:42.02 | dpkg | [ftp] (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 20:42.05 | mith | woddy roxors |
| 20:42.07 | Ox12 | sorry, woody! |
| 20:42.19 | _UFO_ | tarzeau, reinstalling ftpd |
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| 20:43.18 | cn | fantaghiro |
| 20:43.45 | Ox12 | tarzeau: Now I installed squid, how to configure the connect port and pass? |
| 20:44.00 | tarzeau | Ox12: read /usr/share/doc/squid/ |
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| 20:44.18 | tarzeau | Ox12: there's billions of different kinds of proxies |
| 20:44.22 | Iwok | quit |
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| 20:44.28 | Ox12 | ok!! |
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| 20:48.19 | rosminet | hello |
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| 20:49.11 | KnuX | hi all |
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| 20:50.06 | KnuX | "root 5468 0.0 0.1 3340 780 pts/1 D 22:41 0:00 ifconfig -a" |
| 20:50.30 | KnuX | I can't kill this process using "kill -9 5468", what can I do ? :/ |
| 20:50.36 | KnuX | (instead of 'halt' x.x) |
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| 20:51.11 | _UFO_ | hm |
| 20:51.16 | tarzeau | KnuX: D Uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) |
| 20:51.23 | tarzeau | KnuX: you see the D up there? |
| 20:51.24 | _UFO_ | tarzeau, ftpd doesn't run in standalone mode? |
| 20:51.32 | Ox12 | tarzeau: how to restart squid? |
| 20:51.36 | KnuX | I don't know what it means :/ |
| 20:51.39 | s^3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.41 | tarzeau | i hate popcorn in my keyboard |
| 20:51.53 | tarzeau | Ox12: /etc/init.d/squid restart |
| 20:51.59 | tarzeau | KnuX: man ps |
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| 20:52.27 | tarzeau | _UFO_: no idea, is it not configurable? |
| 20:52.32 | tarzeau | _UFO_: dpkg-reconfigure ftpd ? |
| 20:52.32 | _UFO_ | nope |
| 20:52.36 | _UFO_ | no |
| 20:52.43 | tarzeau | _UFO_: i've only used proftpd and vsftpd |
| 20:52.53 | _UFO_ | and it doesn't reinstall itself in inetd after you remove it |
| 20:52.54 | tarzeau | _UFO_: too long time ago , i don't remember ftpd from inetd |
| 20:52.57 | _UFO_ | and also reinstall ftpd |
| 20:53.02 | _UFO_ | hm |
| 20:53.07 | tarzeau | _UFO_: dunno, don't run ftp from inetd |
| 20:53.13 | _UFO_ | can proftpd also use linux accounts? |
| 20:53.16 | tarzeau | s/from inetd// |
| 20:53.24 | tarzeau | _UFO_: of course, which ftpd can not? |
| 20:53.30 | _UFO_ | dunno |
| 20:53.40 | _UFO_ | only tried ftpd and wu-ftpd till now |
| 20:53.50 | _UFO_ | proftpd-->standalone.. |
| 20:53.53 | _UFO_ | installing.. |
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| 20:54.23 | ambrose | I finally dist-upgraded my servers. I'm checking the daemons. The outermost ntp daemon seems ok, the inside ntp daemon (stratum 4) syncs to my outermost daemon (stratum 3) but peers listing shows the right hostname (gw.my.domain) but the stratum 2 ip address. Do I need to fix anything, and if so, how? |
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| 20:54.50 | _UFO_ | great, webmin has proftpd support ;) |
| 20:54.56 | tarzeau | webmin sucks |
| 20:55.01 | _UFO_ | yeah |
| 20:55.02 | _UFO_ | whatever |
| 20:55.05 | rosminet | has anybody already got the message "ata1 failed to respond" with sarge amd64 ? |
| 20:55.20 | _UFO_ | tarzeau, it works.. that's what counts |
| 20:55.42 | tarzeau | _UFO_: i doubt you can configure every possible thing with it |
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| 20:55.50 | _UFO_ | maybe not |
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| 20:56.05 | _UFO_ | but do i want to config every possible thing? |
| 20:56.12 | tarzeau | _UFO_: i want to |
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| 20:56.24 | _UFO_ | sometimes i want to either |
| 20:56.28 | _UFO_ | but not this time |
| 20:56.34 | _UFO_ | i trust webmin |
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| 20:56.50 | tarzeau | i don't |
| 20:57.16 | tarzeau | _UFO_: ever seen bugs.debian.org/webmin ? |
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| 20:57.21 | tarzeau | _UFO_: and who maintains the package? |
| 20:57.27 | _UFO_ | nope |
| 20:57.32 | xnet | hello, I've been working on getting my sound working. I have an nforce4 mobo with integrated sound card. I've been told to use snd-intel8x0. But this doesn't seem to get it working. I've just updated to 2.6.11 kernel which someone said it could be that I had an old kernel. Any help out there? |
| 20:57.32 | KnuX | hm, is there a solution in order to terminate the ifconfig process ? :\ |
| 20:57.45 | tarzeau | KnuX: reboot |
| 20:57.49 | _UFO_ | but i know that i had to build my first webmin myself |
| 20:58.12 | KnuX | ok :( |
| 20:58.17 | tarzeau | xnet: wanna try a 2.4.31 kernel? |
| 20:58.29 | drac | Hey c2fbf075 is HEX, and it's a host and there is method to convert it back to human readable format.. but I forgot what it is, anyone care to remind me? |
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| 20:59.03 | tarzeau | drac: c=12*16+2 |
| 20:59.20 | drac | ah |
| 20:59.41 | tarzeau | drac: fb=16*16+(b=)11 |
| 20:59.42 | _UFO_ | tarzeau, still the same problem |
| 20:59.45 | _UFO_ | my client connects |
| 20:59.52 | tarzeau | drac: 16*16+0 |
| 20:59.56 | tarzeau | drac: 7*16+5 |
| 21:00.07 | _UFO_ | and when i try to transfer anything in active mode, it can't connect |
| 21:00.07 | E-bola | whats that util that will let u print out all the hardware infpo on ur system? |
| 21:00.13 | tarzeau | _UFO_: i don't know. |
| 21:00.17 | E-bola | im basically looking for a way to find out what mobo it is my system has |
| 21:00.19 | _UFO_ | when i try to transfer in passive mode the control connection closed |
| 21:00.21 | tarzeau | E-bola: hwinfo |
| 21:00.35 | E-bola | ahh right thanks |
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| 21:00.39 | xnet | tarzeau: hmm... I don't know what the ramifactions of that would be. I could try I guess. |
| 21:01.04 | tennin | f = 15 not 16 |
| 21:01.07 | tarzeau | xnet: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ |
| 21:01.09 | green_earz | E-bola: lspci -v |
| 21:01.14 | tarzeau | tennin: ah true ;) |
| 21:02.21 | tennin | i used to code 6502 in straight hex machine code |
| 21:02.25 | tennin | i was young and very stupid |
| 21:02.32 | Sepho | I try to install and configure pure-ftpd (I use gentoo) and when i try to add users, they can't connect to my ftp serevr,it says that the user password is wrong. |
| 21:02.34 | Mjelva | i'm a bit wary of fucking around with GRUB. can any of you tell me step-by-step how to change the order of OS' on the bootup menu? |
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| 21:03.21 | green_earz | E-bola: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 21:06.13 | mfrisch | mysql-server won't install because it does not create the initial db. so starting fails. installation of grant table failed. What do I do? |
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| 21:07.13 | Gnea | mfrisch: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian |
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| 21:07.42 | mfrisch | Gnea ohtah..let me look |
| 21:08.24 | Iwok | exit #debian |
| 21:08.56 | SimonRaven | mfrisch: run the .postinst again maybe. sh -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server.postinst configure |
| 21:10.58 | mfrisch | SimonRaven fails to start |
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| 21:11.20 | Mjelva | would i be correct in believing that the command "savedefault 3" will configure GRUB to use the third option on the list as the default OS, in this case being windows? |
| 21:11.23 | SimonRaven | so read the README.Debian |
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| 21:11.52 | mfrisch | SimonRaven did that allready.... |
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| 21:14.20 | SimonRaven | ...and do what it says... |
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| 21:15.38 | paulswm | Mjelva: read the grub info documentation, you need more than savedefault, you need 'default saved' as well. Or you can just say 'default 3' instead. Don't for get that the numbering starts from zero and includes any dummy entry which may be used as a divider. |
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| 21:16.53 | Mjelva | paulswm - i'm pretty concerned about screwing this up. i've gathered that i need to edit the menu.lst file. i've read up on it in the grub documentation, but it's still a bit sketchy to me. |
| 21:16.55 | _UFO_ | hm, tarzeau, it looks like it isn't my ftpd |
| 21:17.00 | orkid | just installed deb3.1r0a from netinst cd, on reboot, i can't ifconfig eth0. error fetching interface info... via-rhine is loaded. i'm using two dfe-530TX cards. both listed by lspci, both with IRQs (know from dmesg). any ideas? |
| 21:17.01 | Phoenix-Away | hi, I have a debian 2.4 kernel running on an Athlon 3200+ that the system recognizes as a sempron 3200+ (go figure...I bought it retail I blame the boards detection) would anybody be able to help me do a kernel update to 2.6 designed for um..I think Athlon 3200+ is a K8 but I'm not sure. Either way, I've never done this before, so I might need a bit of hand holding |
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| 21:18.03 | tarzeau | _UFO_: but the ftp client? |
| 21:18.28 | secher | Ok, this si the dumb question of the day.. how in bloody h3ll do I open ImageMagick? I man it, and I get the man page for convert, and how to convert to other formats, but no imagamagick... |
| 21:18.41 | tarzeau | Phoenix-Away: are you sure? |
| 21:18.43 | _UFO_ | no , tarzeau |
| 21:18.47 | _UFO_ | tried 2 clients |
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| 21:18.51 | _UFO_ | maybe a firewall |
| 21:18.54 | _UFO_ | or router |
| 21:18.54 | Phoenix-Away | tarzeau: about which part? |
| 21:19.07 | paulswm | Mjelva: Whatever you choose as the default, it's easy to test, becuase you still get a delay on boot when you can choose what to boot. |
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| 21:19.34 | tarzeau | Phoenix-Away: k8 would be what? also 32bit? |
| 21:19.42 | Phoenix-Away | ya the proc is 32bit |
| 21:19.48 | Phoenix-Away | Im honestly not sure if its k8 or k7 |
| 21:19.54 | Phoenix-Away | but its labled as an Athlon XP 3200+ |
| 21:20.08 | paulswm | Mjelva: there is also a channel #grub |
| 21:20.10 | Phoenix-Away | 32 bit version |
| 21:20.38 | Phoenix-Away | ok Im lookin around I really think its a k8 |
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| 21:20.40 | Mjelva | paulswm - thanks. on it. |
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| 21:20.47 | paulswm | Mjelva: You're welcome |
| 21:21.04 | paulswm | !irritate tarzeau |
| 21:21.04 | dpkg | tarzeau: HELP ME!!! who uses gnome kk |
| 21:21.07 | Phoenix92x | ok, now Im not so sure |
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| 21:21.51 | Phoenix92x | allright, anyone know if an AMD Athlon XP 3200+ is K7 or K8? |
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| 21:22.06 | H4wk | I have two sshd's running, on port 22 and 23, now, the one on port 22 isnt accepting new connections (old sessions are kept alive though) |
| 21:22.20 | H4wk | so I'm kinda wondering how to proceed to bring back the sshd on port 22 to a working status |
| 21:22.21 | _UFO_ | 36 days 22:36:28 |
| 21:22.21 | _UFO_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.21 | _UFO_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.41 | secher | k7 accdg to google |
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| 21:23.01 | mfrisch | SimonRaven ok it says it can't connect to the socket /var/run/mysql... |
| 21:23.02 | Phoenix92x | secher: thank you, for some reason I couldnt find it even WITH google... |
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| 21:23.17 | Phoenix92x | so would anyone be willing to help me with a kernel upgrade? |
| 21:23.26 | tarzeau | H4wk: did you upgrade glibc? |
| 21:23.32 | H4wk | Yes, tarzeau |
| 21:23.41 | Phoenix92x | ok I can do it later |
| 21:23.43 | tarzeau | H4wk: restart the network service (sshd)? |
| 21:23.45 | Phoenix92x | g2g right now |
| 21:23.58 | H4wk | I selected yes, but after that it wouldnt accept any new connections |
| 21:24.01 | orkid | just installed deb3.1r0a from netinst cd, on reboot, i can't ifconfig eth0. error fetching interface info... via-rhine is loaded. i'm using two dfe-530TX cards. both listed by lspci, both with IRQs (know from dmesg). any ideas? |
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| 21:24.11 | tarzeau | H4wk: did it restart? |
| 21:24.46 | H4wk | I can't recall |
| 21:24.50 | _UFO_ | brb |
| 21:25.08 | tarzeau | H4wk: try restarting it again |
| 21:25.27 | H4wk | command to do so? |
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| 21:26.46 | boga | is it the case that if I want my cdrom to be mounted/unmounted on the fly...then I must do a kernel re-compile? |
| 21:26.53 | MikeW | What desktops are included with sarge? I can only think of xfce. What others are there apart from gnome and kde? |
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| 21:27.25 | MikeW | or rather, what other lightweight desktop managers are there |
| 21:27.27 | cadu | hello! how can i know what version of a lib is installed on my debian system ? |
| 21:27.33 | tarzeau | H4wk: /etc/init.d/ssh restart ? |
| 21:27.36 | H4wk | thanks |
| 21:27.38 | tarzeau | cadu: which lib? |
| 21:27.45 | tarzeau | cadu: dpkg -l package |
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| 21:27.53 | tarzeau | MikeW: amiwm, wmaker |
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| 21:28.02 | tarzeau | MikeW: gnustep wmaker |
| 21:28.07 | iaido | if I've got debian with kernel 2.4.27 now and it's failing to compile can I grab the source for 2.4.30 and try that instead? |
| 21:28.21 | tarzeau | boga: supermount patch for a kernel is a possibility |
| 21:28.26 | iaido | (trying to patch ebtables with the 2.4.27 ebtables patch but it's failing for some reason.) |
| 21:28.51 | tarzeau | iaido: yes you can, but you could also just take my precompiled kernels? gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ |
| 21:28.54 | iaido | would like to try 2.4.30 patch with 2.4.30 kernel source if you can just upgrade a kernel like that |
| 21:29.03 | H4wk | didnt work |
| 21:29.09 | H4wk | killed it all together |
| 21:29.20 | iaido | do you have a precompiled kernel with ebtables? |
| 21:29.21 | H4wk | it lets me enter username and shuts down connection after that |
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| 21:29.26 | cadu | can i install firefox 1.0.6 .deb from unstable on "testing" ? ^^ |
| 21:29.27 | orkid | can anyone help with getting 2 via-rhine NICs up in deb3.1? |
| 21:29.30 | cadu | will it hose my system ? |
| 21:29.52 | cadu | dpkg: supermount |
| 21:29.52 | dpkg | i heard supermount is a nice patch to the kernel that the mandrake developers are working on currently. it allows to change a cd while it is mounted, which is VERY useful in wine. a patch that works for a 2.4.18 kernel can be found at http://espectro.hypermart.net/supermount.patch. README can be found at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/8144/supermount.README.txt, or see http://supermount-ng.sourceforge.net |
| 21:29.56 | |stealth| | tarzeau,iaido,H4wk,cadu,orkid,dpkg and myself has been talking for last 2 minutes |
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| 21:30.14 | cadu | |stealth|: ? |
| 21:30.19 | Zap-W | can anyone here with sarge verify if /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg exists? |
| 21:30.24 | tarzeau | H4wk: yeah i had that too. did you do kernel upgrade too? |
| 21:30.29 | tarzeau | H4wk: try a reboot yet? |
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| 21:30.36 | H4wk | Afraid to try a reboot |
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| 21:30.44 | H4wk | remote machine, wont be able to access it if it fails to start up |
| 21:30.53 | H4wk | fixed it |
| 21:30.58 | tarzeau | cadu: i woulnd't |
| 21:31.02 | H4wk | killed old process n restarted manually |
| 21:31.24 | tarzeau | orkid: what's the problem with that? |
| 21:32.00 | cadu | tarzeau: but firefox 1.0.6 corrects a bunch of problems and bla bla bla |
| 21:32.06 | cadu | tarzeau: are you on debian sarge ? |
| 21:32.10 | tarzeau | cadu: so does the latest dsa |
| 21:32.16 | cadu | dsa? |
| 21:32.18 | tarzeau | cadu: i've got all, sarge and sid |
| 21:32.21 | tarzeau | !dsa |
| 21:32.21 | dpkg | well, dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/. Debian Sysadmin, the people you pester to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
| 21:32.26 | |stealth| | tarzeau,H4wk,cadu,dpkg and myself has been talking for last 2 minutes |
| 21:32.36 | tarzeau | is |stealth| a bot? |
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| 21:32.41 | Zap-W | can anyone here with sarge verify if /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg exists? |
| 21:32.43 | cadu | tarzeau: have you mixed the sources ? |
| 21:32.55 | tarzeau | cadu: like testing+sid or stable+sid or so? |
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| 21:33.05 | tarzeau | cadu: no never, see !bobbitt, but i do lotsa own packages |
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| 21:33.18 | nichos | Is there a way to add a "load images" button in evolution? It's a pain to go through the menus |
| 21:33.25 | cadu | tarzeau: can i package my own firefox 1.0.6 ? i have that 'do-it-yourself' feeling :) |
| 21:33.26 | Starchild | I want debian to work. |
| 21:33.29 | Starchild | So far, it doesn't. |
| 21:33.32 | tarzeau | Starchild: why not? |
| 21:33.36 | cadu | tarzeau: is it hard ? :-) |
| 21:33.41 | tarzeau | cadu: go ahead. no it's not hard i guess |
| 21:33.46 | Starchild | Something about not having a keyboard attached. |
| 21:33.49 | tarzeau | cadu: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ see debian-packaging |
| 21:33.52 | Starchild | Appearantly, you need one for installation. |
| 21:33.56 | tarzeau | Starchild: no you don't |
| 21:34.03 | tarzeau | Starchild: but your computer might be crap. x86? |
| 21:34.04 | cadu | tarzeau: are you on 1.0.6 yet ? ^^ |
| 21:34.10 | tarzeau | cadu: i hate firefox |
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| 21:34.15 | Starchild | Pentium 4 |
| 21:34.16 | cadu | tarzeau: o_O sorry ! |
| 21:34.20 | cadu | tarzeau: what are you using ? |
| 21:34.20 | tarzeau | cadu: it's the worst browser i've seen |
| 21:34.40 | boga | just downloaded a kernel patch. How do I install/apply it? |
| 21:34.44 | tarzeau | cadu: OmniWeb on OPENSTEP and Safari on OSX and links2 -g/dillo on linux |
| 21:34.53 | tarzeau | boga: patch -p1 < patch |
| 21:34.58 | |stealth| | tarzeau,cadu,nichos,Starchild,boga and myself has been talking for last 2 minutes |
| 21:35.08 | cadu | but, Safari uses gecko iirc |
| 21:35.08 | tarzeau | can someone fucking KILL |stealth| |
| 21:35.15 | paulswm | Indeed. |
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| 21:35.20 | cadu | your order |
| 21:35.21 | Starchild | Indeed. |
| 21:35.22 | boga | thanx |
| 21:35.23 | cadu | !kill |stealth| |
| 21:35.24 | tarzeau | cadu: no it's using konquerer render engine |
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| 21:35.41 | cadu | i've just found a dpkg bot bug :) |
| 21:35.42 | cadu | !kill |stealth| |
| 21:35.45 | cadu | again :) |
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| 21:36.03 | boga | tarzeau: where the second "patch" is the name? |
| 21:36.14 | tarzeau | boga: of the patch yes |
| 21:36.24 | boga | thanx |
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| 21:37.43 | Zap-W | hey i just succesfuly downgraded from etch to sarge smoothly |
| 21:37.49 | Schiz0 | Is there a way I can build Deb packages out of source? I need to install some software but it's not in the debian apt repositories |
| 21:38.15 | tarzeau | Schiz0: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ see debian-packaging |
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| 21:38.54 | cadu | tarzeau: well for firefox i'll have to update libatk1.0-0 too :( |
| 21:39.01 | boga | tarzeau: done "patch -p1 < patch-name". Nothing happened. Now do I need to restart? |
| 21:39.02 | tarzeau | cadu: see :) |
| 21:39.07 | tarzeau | cadu: it sucks. believe me |
| 21:39.18 | tarzeau | cadu: go sid or stay stable (never mix) |
| 21:39.31 | cadu | tarzeau: sid scares me, things...break :) |
| 21:39.35 | tarzeau | boga: you were in the right directory? |
| 21:39.41 | tarzeau | cadu: then stay on stable ;) |
| 21:39.44 | boga | yes |
| 21:39.58 | boga | in the drirectory where the patch is |
| 21:40.00 | tarzeau | boga: what patch is that, source or debian package patch? |
| 21:40.05 | tarzeau | boga: that's wrong i think ;) |
| 21:40.06 | boga | source |
| 21:40.11 | boga | ohh |
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| 21:40.23 | tarzeau | boga: go to the linux dir and say patch -p1 < ../whereveryourpatchis |
| 21:40.39 | boga | OK |
| 21:40.40 | boga | thanx |
| 21:41.10 | SimonRaven | @lart fucking stupid infected winbloze machines |
| 21:41.24 | jdjarvis | Hey, does anyone know why Xine has been removed from testing? |
| 21:42.20 | boga | tarzeau: still, nothing happened. I used "patch -p1 < ./whereveryourpatchis" That is 1 dot instead of 2 as you typed. |
| 21:42.26 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: 2k? |
| 21:42.37 | tarzeau | boga: why one dot? |
| 21:42.53 | tarzeau | boga: which patch is that, and which kernel? |
| 21:43.19 | boga | with 2 dots, I got a msg saying no such file or dir! |
| 21:43.19 | streuner | jdjarvis: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xine-ui.html |
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| 21:43.28 | boga | it's the supermount patch |
| 21:43.43 | boga | from here "http://supermount-ng.sourceforge.net/" |
| 21:43.51 | tarzeau | boga: i was able to patch the 2.4.31 kernel source just fine |
| 21:44.06 | boga | how do I get the kernel ver? |
| 21:44.10 | tarzeau | good night |
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| 21:44.19 | MikeW | where is my x11 config file located in debian? |
| 21:44.25 | streuner | boga: man uname |
| 21:44.26 | tarzeau | MikeW: in /etc/X11 |
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| 21:45.24 | Tarcastil | hey, is there a way to search for packages based on the maintainer? |
| 21:45.44 | tarzeau | Tarcastil: sure www.linuks.mine.nu/dd/ |
| 21:45.50 | ccui | I can not get the manpage with man fopen,which package should i install? |
| 21:46.01 | tarzeau | Tarcastil: or www.debian.org/devel/people |
| 21:46.55 | tarzeau | Tarcastil: i meant www.linuks.mine.nu/pp/ of course |
| 21:47.06 | streuner | manpages-dev: /usr/share/man/man3/fopen.3.gz |
| 21:47.09 | Tarcastil | tarzeau: is there a dpkg or apt command that lets me find all packages installed on my system by a certain maintainer? |
| 21:47.27 | tarzeau | Tarcastil: yeah there's some stuff in /var somewhere |
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| 21:49.41 | ccui | Hello, Does anyone know about this? "man fopen" --> No manual entry for fopen,thanks! |
| 21:50.05 | streuner | manpages-dev: /usr/share/man/man3/fopen.3.gz |
| 21:50.18 | UFO | heh |
| 21:50.22 | streuner | ccui: apt-get install manpages-dev |
| 21:50.25 | shmloe | Hi, does any1 know what font is the debian logo? |
| 21:50.26 | UFO | tarzeau, restarted remote router |
| 21:50.29 | UFO | and ftp works |
| 21:50.30 | streuner | ccui: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:51.10 | sward | shmloe: that's in the mailing list archives somewhere, I forget which ones though |
| 21:51.18 | UFO | 47days non-stop on-line is maybe a bit much for a simple home router |
| 21:51.19 | tarzeau | !font |
| 21:51.19 | dpkg | 'fixed' is the one true font! |
| 21:51.32 | dontpanic | r |
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| 21:51.35 | tarzeau | shmloe: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-font/ |
| 21:51.36 | ccui | streuner, thanks.. |
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| 21:52.37 | r00tNinj4 | i am trying to install debian on a p1 133mhz ibm thinkpad. it has run linux fine in the past, and i have installed from floppies prior. i have gone to http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/floppy/ and retrieved the images. but thats with the old 2.4 kernel. can anyone tell me where i can get floppy images withthe 2.6 kernel. i tried compiling the new kernel on the installed system, but its just takes hours! on a 133mhz. t |
| 21:52.38 | r00tNinj4 | hanks! |
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| 21:53.04 | streuner | !d-i r00tNinj4 |
| 21:53.05 | dpkg | r00tNinj4, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:53.24 | r00tNinj4 | thx i think |
| 21:53.26 | streuner | !nickometer r00tNinj4 |
| 21:53.27 | dpkg | 'r00tNinj4' is 99.680% lame, streuner |
| 21:53.53 | streuner | r00tNinj4: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 21:53.54 | streuner | too |
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| 21:55.09 | streuner | change your nick and don't /msg me, thanks. |
| 21:55.20 | r00tNinj4 | lick me |
| 21:55.37 | streuner | !fuck r00tNinj4 |
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| 21:55.58 | r00tNinj4 | what a fun channel lol |
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| 21:56.01 | destiny_ | kbrooks: hey |
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| 21:56.13 | secher | !xine |
| 21:56.14 | dpkg | somebody said xine was a DVD,VCD,MPEG (divX also possible) player for Linux. http://xine.sourceforge.net or just apt-get install xine-ui xine-lib. Also at #xine.. You can get a "complete" version of xine with a DeCSS plugin at http://gape.ist.utl.pt/ment00/linuxdvd.html, or to get sound set the goto advanced settings and set the sound driver form null to what ever you use. see xine-ui KDE users, check out 'kaffeine', or but xine needs a ... |
| 21:56.15 | destiny_ | r00tNinj4: u like ninja's? |
| 21:56.20 | genioreal | W: GPG error: http://debian.ubiobio.cl unstable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B629A24C38C6029A |
| 21:56.27 | genioreal | what can i do to fix it? |
| 21:56.28 | Tarcastil | !mplayer |
| 21:56.28 | dpkg | [mplayer] not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 21:56.44 | destiny_ | genioreal: not much really |
| 21:56.47 | kbrooks | OK. I want to ignore a set of packages and have them not be downloaded -- ever. |
| 21:56.52 | Tarcastil | !xmms |
| 21:56.53 | dpkg | it has been said that xmms is X MultiMedia System. Obtain it from http://www.xmms.org/, or screwed up because it renices to -3 automatically on debian woody, and you can't de-automate it. |
| 21:56.54 | dishfish | lol Universidad del Biobio also uses debian! |
| 21:56.59 | dishfish | =D |
| 21:57.00 | kbrooks | How can i do this |
| 21:57.01 | kbrooks | ? |
| 21:57.08 | dishfish | i wouldn't have believed of them! |
| 21:57.08 | genioreal | destiny_: why? |
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| 21:57.21 | kbrooks | downloaded or installed that is. |
| 21:57.28 | z36ra | apt-update reports marillat.free.fr is offline... anyone know if it's permanent? |
| 21:57.37 | kbrooks | anyone? |
| 21:57.41 | streuner | dishfish: most developers use debian... |
| 21:57.58 | dishfish | genioreal, are you sure the site is up? are you sure that ubiobio really uses it? |
| 21:58.00 | destiny_ | genioreal: have u added the keys? |
| 21:58.08 | genioreal | yeah |
| 21:58.13 | streuner | z36ra: try it later or use a mirror |
| 21:58.18 | genioreal | no, how do i add the keys? |
| 21:58.21 | kbrooks | OK. I want to ignore a set of packages and have them not be downloaded and installed -- ever. |
| 21:58.32 | dishfish | streuner i don't think that ubiobio actually uses it the last time iwas there they were "considering redhat" |
| 21:58.42 | kbrooks | Does anyone know? |
| 21:58.57 | destiny_ | genioreal: try this; gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 |
| 21:59.04 | z36ra | streuner: thanx... |
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| 21:59.14 | destiny_ | kbrooks: dont think its possible |
| 21:59.27 | streuner | !listkeys marillat |
| 21:59.28 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'marillat' by key (5): marillat key ;; marillat-key ;; marillat #DEL# ;; marillat ;; marillat mirrors. |
| 21:59.37 | streuner | !marillat mirrors |
| 21:59.38 | dpkg | "deb http://mirrors.xmission.com/apt-proxy/marillat stable main" "deb http://debian.nsu.ru/mirrors/ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main" |
| 21:59.39 | kbrooks | destiny_: dang. |
| 21:59.45 | genioreal | destiny_: same error |
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| 21:59.59 | genioreal | do you know another mirror to put in sources.list for unstable? |
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| 22:00.07 | kbrooks | brb. |
| 22:00.07 | destiny_ | genioreal: that work? |
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| 22:00.17 | woodland | i need help hre with debian, after x window starts i log in and after i log in i just see screen and a cursor |
| 22:00.23 | genioreal | destiny_: no |
| 22:00.45 | secher | Ok, the page dpkg points to for a complete xine package is 404, any other ideas, or a howto to progress from the .deb to a fully functional xine that'll actually play DVDs? |
| 22:00.47 | streuner | woodland: install a window manager |
| 22:01.04 | woodland | how to do that, streuner |
| 22:01.07 | destiny_ | genioreal: try this; gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 22:01.16 | streuner | woodland: try apt-get install wmaker |
| 22:01.27 | woodland | ok, let me do that |
| 22:01.38 | genioreal | destiny_: same error |
| 22:01.49 | destiny_ | genioreal: good? |
| 22:01.50 | woodland | but should i alt-ctrl-backspace now |
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| 22:02.14 | streuner | woodland: it would be good to start X again, yes. |
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| 22:02.20 | tennin | you have a display manager but not a window manager? |
| 22:02.22 | woodland | ok |
| 22:02.27 | genioreal | destiny_: no |
| 22:02.43 | woodland | streuner, should i log in to recovry mode |
| 22:03.20 | streuner | woodland: /msg dpkg wm |
| 22:03.33 | streuner | just use startx to run X |
| 22:03.53 | destiny_ | genioreal: sorry i dont know then |
| 22:03.59 | boga | is it possible to remove a patch? |
| 22:04.10 | destiny_ | genioreal: did u try google? |
| 22:04.12 | streuner | boga: from what? |
| 22:04.13 | woodland | but right now, ii just see the screen and cursor, so i have to boot again. |
| 22:04.16 | destiny_ | genioreal: did you try debian forums? |
| 22:04.23 | boga | streuner: from the kernel |
| 22:04.33 | genioreal | destiny_: yes |
| 22:04.39 | streuner | boga: uhm, you have to compile the kernel again |
| 22:04.39 | destiny_ | boga: no reverse is possible, you have to compile orig source again |
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| 22:04.48 | boga | ohh |
| 22:04.56 | streuner | woodland: nope |
| 22:04.59 | destiny_ | boga: reverse pathching is impossible |
| 22:04.59 | genioreal | anyone got a good sources.list for debian sid? |
| 22:05.05 | xsquared | the new alsa package broken my sound :-( |
| 22:05.12 | streuner | genioreal: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 22:05.32 | destiny_ | xsquared: why did you have to install the new salsa anyway? |
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| 22:05.56 | woodland | streunr i dont see any command prompt, how do i type the commands u gave me |
| 22:05.58 | xsquared | because i just apt-get updated'd it |
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| 22:06.06 | flatline | allo |
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| 22:06.22 | woodland | if i do alt-ctrl- F1 i just see flickering screen |
| 22:06.23 | destiny_ | flatline: allo, you british? :) |
| 22:06.25 | santiago | hola |
| 22:06.28 | streuner | woodland: Press ALT-Ctrl - F2-F8 |
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| 22:06.38 | flatline | destiny_ no sir .. im a yank |
| 22:06.42 | flatline | ;) |
| 22:06.53 | destiny_ | woodland: whats your fstab set for in resolution? 791? |
| 22:06.57 | xsquared | whats that application where you configure alsa |
| 22:07.00 | xsquared | the sound card |
| 22:07.02 | destiny_ | flatline: :) |
| 22:07.09 | streuner | xsquared: alsaconf |
| 22:07.13 | xsquared | thnx |
| 22:07.24 | destiny_ | alsaconf |
| 22:07.25 | woodland | streuner, i just see flickering again, i set resolution as 1200x760 |
| 22:07.28 | flatline | anyone know if vorbis-tools 1.1.1 & libvorbis 1.1.1 deb packages will be on the way for sarge? |
| 22:07.30 | xsquared | bash: alsaconf: command not found |
| 22:07.34 | xsquared | wtf wtf wtf |
| 22:07.39 | destiny_ | woodland: thats too high dfor your monitor |
| 22:07.43 | destiny_ | woodland: OUT of Range |
| 22:07.53 | flatline | im still only seeing vorbis-tools 1.0.1 on debian.org |
| 22:07.54 | destiny_ | woodland: be careful you wil break your monitor |
| 22:07.55 | flatline | :( |
| 22:07.56 | streuner | xsquared: apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 22:07.57 | woodland | so i have laptop, |
| 22:08.27 | woodland | how much resolution be there for laptop |
| 22:08.41 | xsquared | The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome gnome-desktop-environment gnome-volume-manager hal udev The following NEW packages will be installed: alsa-utils |
| 22:08.43 | destiny_ | woodland: read the manual |
| 22:08.48 | xsquared | arraghghhah! |
| 22:09.01 | streuner | xsquared: well |
| 22:09.03 | streuner | :-) |
| 22:09.05 | flatline | xsquared klingon? |
| 22:09.11 | xsquared | wtf is that? |
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| 22:09.14 | LokeDK | is there a way to uninstall gnome and kde? with all it's packages.. because i don't think the server is fast enough for that |
| 22:09.14 | destiny_ | woodland: be careful, if you break monitor, your notebook as well to be thrown in bin |
| 22:09.28 | woodland | manual for my laptop says something like 1024x800 |
| 22:09.41 | streuner | !drxx woodland |
| 22:09.42 | dpkg | woodland: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 22:09.55 | woodland | ok\ |
| 22:10.01 | xsquared | streuner: what do i do? |
| 22:10.16 | streuner | xsquared: just do it! ;-) |
| 22:10.22 | flatline | anyone have any idea on the vorbis situation with sarge? |
| 22:10.25 | xsquared | streuner: no, seriously |
| 22:10.29 | streuner | yes |
| 22:10.36 | streuner | iam serious |
| 22:10.44 | flatline | hi im flatline |
| 22:10.47 | xsquared | streuner: why remove gnome them? |
| 22:11.01 | streuner | xsquared: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 22:11.27 | xsquared | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 22:11.43 | streuner | xsquared: show us your sources.list |
| 22:11.49 | streuner | !paster |
| 22:11.50 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 22:11.55 | xsquared | its all ftp.au.debian.org |
| 22:12.02 | xsquared | sarage |
| 22:12.11 | xsquared | sarge ** |
| 22:12.13 | bucky | que sarage |
| 22:12.54 | iaido | I just ran make-kpkg in /usr/src/linux-2.4.31 after configuring the kernel, it completed with no errors but I see no .deb file output |
| 22:13.02 | iaido | not sure where the kernel is I just compiled. |
| 22:13.39 | xsquared | streuner: anything else? |
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| 22:14.18 | xst | When I login to fvwm I have a english keyboard. How do I change keyboard layout to e.g. danish? |
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| 22:15.05 | streuner | xsquared: show us your sources.list |
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| 22:15.24 | alistair | hey guys i need some help |
| 22:15.33 | streuner | !ask |
| 22:15.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask a question, or ask if people use something. Your question is being answered by a volunteer; make it easy for volunteers to give you an answer. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:15.34 | alistair | How can i exit the xserver because i need to install some nvidia drivers |
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| 22:16.11 | streuner | alistair: there is no fricking shell at all there? |
| 22:16.23 | DaDave | how can i install 2.6 kernel automaticly when i install it from the sarge cd's? |
| 22:16.24 | alistair | I need to know how to exit the xserver |
| 22:16.30 | streuner | alistair: ALT-Ctrl F2 |
| 22:16.35 | alistair | thanks pro |
| 22:16.39 | PaPyRene10 | what is the best way to synchronise automagically the time (a time server daemon)? |
| 22:16.40 | alistair | ah wait |
| 22:16.41 | PaPyRene10 | woodland: which brand of laptop? |
| 22:16.42 | flatline | alistair ctrl-alt-backspace if you need to kill it |
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| 22:17.02 | alistair | streuner: still doesnt work, alt, cntrl and backspace either, it still says XServer is running, it just restarts itself onto the logon screen |
| 22:17.04 | flatline | alistair of course you can just logout |
| 22:17.14 | flatline | alistair disable gdm |
| 22:17.16 | streuner | DaDave: at the beginning type 'linux26' |
| 22:17.21 | xsquared | alistair: its called 'killall' |
| 22:17.23 | DaDave | streuner: thanks! |
| 22:17.26 | alistair | killall gdm? |
| 22:17.38 | fantomas | I have a problem with listing packages with dpkg -l. When I use just this syntax 'dpkg -l <mask>' - I get columns with proper width, having ENOUGH space for version numbers. But when I pipe this output somewhere - version column become narower and I see no version ends. How to change that? |
| 22:17.40 | streuner | alistair: are you using gdm? |
| 22:17.47 | alistair | Streuner: i am |
| 22:17.49 | flatline | alistair gdm is causing your xserver to relaunch |
| 22:17.49 | DaDave | cu all |
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| 22:17.58 | streuner | alistair: skill -c gdm |
| 22:18.01 | alistair | flatlin: how can i kill it |
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| 22:18.18 | alistair | ok done |
| 22:18.25 | alistair | thanks streuner |
| 22:18.37 | flatline | you can chmod 644 the gdm file in /etc/init.d if you want this disabled from starting up altogether |
| 22:18.47 | streuner | !nodm |
| 22:18.48 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 22:18.54 | flatline | or get rid of the entire package as i did as i hate the farking thing |
| 22:19.19 | alistair | what is the command to run a program once you have cd'd to it, Su? |
| 22:19.25 | alistair | for an .rm file |
| 22:19.30 | flatline | ? |
| 22:19.39 | flatline | ./program |
| 22:19.58 | alistair | i have it in the / directly |
| 22:20.03 | flatline | chmod 755 or u+X |
| 22:20.03 | alistair | so i have cd /, but how can i run the file name? |
| 22:20.04 | aFlag | :q |
| 22:20.09 | flatline | x |
| 22:20.11 | aFlag | ops |
| 22:20.13 | flatline | alistair ? |
| 22:20.23 | flatline | alistair you shouldnt have any files in / |
| 22:20.29 | flatline | do you mean ~ ? |
| 22:20.31 | alistair | it worked fine before |
| 22:20.35 | alistair | i need to run a file |
| 22:20.38 | alistair | what is the command? |
| 22:20.48 | flatline | ./command or command |
| 22:20.48 | alistair | cd <filepath> |
| 22:20.50 | alistair | but then what |
| 22:20.56 | alistair | its something like su? |
| 22:21.06 | flatline | i give up |
| 22:21.07 | flatline | gnite |
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| 22:21.30 | alistair | is it sh? |
| 22:21.54 | streuner | alistair: file foo.file and tell us the output |
| 22:22.13 | alistair | ok i have it running |
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| 22:22.17 | alistair | nevermind |
| 22:22.40 | alistair | i need one more thing |
| 22:22.44 | Virtual | how can I get my mouses scroll to work ? |
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| 22:22.49 | alistair | what is the name of the lastest kernel header? |
| 22:22.54 | streuner | Virtual: uhm |
| 22:22.57 | alistair | i know it has the characters k7 in it |
| 22:23.11 | alvanson | I'm using esmtp to send mail. The logs seem to indicate that the program is NOT sending any of the message body, but just the headers. Any ideas? |
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| 22:23.54 | alistair | struner, do you know the lastest kernel header file name so i can apt it? |
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| 22:24.37 | streuner | Virtual: set the protokol to ImPS/2 |
| 22:24.49 | alistair | streuner |
| 22:24.51 | Virtual | alistair try : apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 22:24.56 | alistair | thanks |
| 22:25.08 | streuner | Virtual: and "Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" |
| 22:25.27 | Virtual | streuner: it is set to PS/2, I change it to ImPS/2 ? |
| 22:25.33 | alistair | guys, this sounds like a simple question but how can i scroll up on the CLI to see the text above? |
| 22:25.33 | streuner | yes |
| 22:26.01 | PeterB | alistair: Shift+PgUp |
| 22:26.01 | streuner | alistair: PageUp |
| 22:26.03 | shingouz | alistair: shift-pgup/pgdown |
| 22:26.04 | alistair | thanks :) |
| 22:26.20 | alistair | hm, that isnt working |
| 22:26.30 | streuner | bitchx? |
| 22:26.42 | streuner | use X-Chat or irssi-text instead |
| 22:26.47 | alistair | hm, can somebody open up there web browser and find the kernel name for 2.6-k7, its called something like that |
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| 22:26.55 | iratsu | how can i get my mouse wheel to scroll in X? |
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| 22:27.21 | shingouz | alistair: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 | grep k7 |
| 22:27.25 | streuner | set the protocol to ImPS/2 |
| 22:27.26 | shingouz | geez.. |
| 22:27.44 | streuner | and "Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" |
| 22:27.47 | alistair | invalid operation cache |
| 22:28.04 | streuner | !listkeys scroll |
| 22:28.06 | shingouz | alistair: the literal command i typed there. literall |
| 22:28.06 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'scroll' by key (3): sidescroller ;; scrollback ;; scrollz. |
| 22:28.17 | shingouz | alistair: man apt-cache |
| 22:28.20 | streuner | !listkeys mouse |
| 22:28.21 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'mouse' by key (15 of 33): ! my mouse ;; 2.6 mouse ;; anonymouse ;; bus mouse ;; macmouse ;; microsoft mouse ;; mouse ;; mouse 2.6 ;; mouse emulation ;; mouse wheel ;; mousepad ;; optical mouse camera ;; usb mouse ;; usb mouse test ;; xf4mouse. |
| 22:28.39 | drac | !mouse wheel |
| 22:28.40 | dpkg | methinks mouse wheel is at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or http://www.horns.freeserve.co.uk/wheel_a.jpg |
| 22:28.40 | streuner | !mouse wheel |
| 22:28.45 | drac | sorry :) |
| 22:28.55 | alistair | can somebody just get me the lastest kernel header file name?? |
| 22:29.13 | shingouz | alistair: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:29.16 | streuner | alistair: kernel-headers have to 'fit' to your kernel |
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| 22:29.50 | shingouz | on seconds thoughts, i do not want to know what you are planning.. |
| 22:29.52 | alistair | im trying to upgrade my kernel headers so i can continue with my graphics installation |
| 22:30.25 | shingouz | alistair: use the kernel headers for the kernel you run (or are about to install) |
| 22:30.54 | alistair | i think i have it sorted.. |
| 22:30.59 | alistair | By the way |
| 22:31.08 | alistair | will my xserver boot up on the next reboot? |
| 22:31.14 | alistair | since i disabled it |
| 22:31.27 | shingouz | alistair: how did you "disable" it |
| 22:31.44 | woodland | streuner, hi |
| 22:31.53 | alistair | hm |
| 22:32.08 | alistair | skill -c gdm |
| 22:32.20 | woodland | i did install wmaker and i am able to see some screen with some icons on it |
| 22:32.34 | shingouz | alistair: i give up |
| 22:32.45 | alistair | why? |
| 22:33.08 | alistair | it should load up on my next boot right? |
| 22:33.20 | shingouz | alistair: because you do not seem to have a clue on what you do, you jsut hack away happily without stopping to think for one second |
| 22:33.33 | alistair | i asked ealier for that command. |
| 22:33.53 | alistair | if it doesn't load up i'll just startx? |
| 22:34.06 | shingouz | yes yes. |
| 22:34.16 | fantomas | I have a problem with listing packages with dpkg -l. When I use just this syntax 'dpkg -l <mask>' - I get columns with proper width, having ENOUGH space for version numbers. But when I pipe this output somewhere - version column become narower and I see no version ends. How to change that? |
| 22:34.17 | alistair | ok, thought so:) |
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| 22:34.30 | woodland | is wmaker better than KDE |
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| 22:34.42 | PeterB | !better |
| 22:34.42 | dpkg | better is probably a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 22:35.01 | woodland | hi dpkg, |
| 22:35.03 | fantomas | woodland: blackbox is better then wmaker :P |
| 22:35.14 | woodland | what is blackbox |
| 22:35.33 | fantomas | woodland: apt-cache show blackbox (i guess) |
| 22:35.36 | shingouz | alistair: i do have to mention that if you just keep on hacking like you have been doing now, you *will* bork that computer pretty soon. stop and think before you do |
| 22:35.52 | woodland | should i install GNONE instead of WMAKER |
| 22:35.55 | alistair | yeah, i'll pace myself, im just getting used to a few commands etc |
| 22:35.59 | alistair | Install KDE |
| 22:36.00 | alistair | :D |
| 22:36.04 | alistair | ok im going to eat, laters |
| 22:36.41 | fantomas | woodland: if you need really minimal manager - use fluxbox or blackbox. If you have enough patience and RAM - install KDE |
| 22:36.44 | woodland | if i install KDE, should i uninstall WMAKER |
| 22:36.50 | fantomas | woodland: no |
| 22:37.05 | woodland | FANTO, why |
| 22:37.20 | shingouz | !tell woodland about nicktab |
| 22:37.30 | shingouz | woodland: lose the caps too while you're at it |
| 22:37.32 | woodland | i am newbie. |
| 22:37.42 | shingouz | woodland: we can tell |
| 22:38.04 | fantomas | woodland: why? strange question. It would be reasonable to ask why if I said yes, you have to uninstall one manager in sake of another |
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| 22:38.43 | woodland | so why should i keep wmaker if i install kde, i mean wouldnt that will occupy space |
| 22:38.53 | fantomas | woodland: realy on apt/dpkg. They will tell you when packages are conflicting. |
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| 22:40.10 | woodland | so how do i install kde |
| 22:40.14 | fantomas | woodland: you are free to keep or kill wmaker |
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| 22:40.25 | genioreal | The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B629A24C38C6029A |
| 22:40.26 | fantomas | woodland: apt-get install kde probably |
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| 22:40.30 | woodland | ok |
| 22:40.36 | genioreal | how can i find a solution for this: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B629A24C38C6029A |
| 22:40.38 | fantomas | w/o probably at the end :) |
| 22:40.46 | crispynix-v6 | woodland: oddly enough, apt-get install kde |
| 22:41.00 | crispynix-v6 | whoops, was scrolled back a bit |
| 22:41.05 | woodland | fantomas, i think i should first install kde , and only then i should uninstall wmaker |
| 22:41.19 | genioreal | anyone? |
| 22:41.25 | fantomas | woodland: no SHOULDS! |
| 22:41.26 | shingouz | !anyone |
| 22:41.26 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 22:41.39 | LokeDK | the mouse, when i move it it jumps to the bottom left corner |
| 22:41.59 | genioreal | how can i find a solution for this: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B629A24C38C6029A |
| 22:42.03 | fantomas | fantomas: you can keep it, you can kill it now or you can kill it later.. doesn't matter |
| 22:42.08 | fantomas | ooopps :) |
| 22:42.13 | fantomas | <- woodland |
| 22:42.15 | woodland | fantomas, r u asking me to keep wmaker |
| 22:42.18 | shingouz | LokeDK: in X? /msg dpkg drxx; reconfigure the mouse |
| 22:42.20 | woodland | ok |
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| 22:42.55 | woodland | i think kde is better that gnome, what do u think, fantomas |
| 22:42.59 | liable | !tell genioreal about apt secure |
| 22:43.01 | LokeDK | shingouz, i did.. but it keeps on doing it |
| 22:43.23 | shingouz | LokeDK: k. lets see. what kind of a mouse you have |
| 22:43.35 | tommy | heya liable |
| 22:43.38 | LokeDK | a simple two-button ps/2 mouse |
| 22:43.43 | woodland | if i have wmaker and kde both installed, how does debian know where to go |
| 22:43.44 | fantomas | woodland: don't know, I use blackbox |
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| 22:44.10 | MikeW | Whats the name of some remote desktop server I can install on debian (that comes with it)? |
| 22:44.16 | lindenle | vncserver |
| 22:44.18 | shingouz | LokeDK: on a 2.4 it shoould be on /dev/psaux and PS/2 as the protocol. 2.6 /dev/input/mice |
| 22:44.33 | LokeDK | yeah I've set it to /dev/psaux |
| 22:44.36 | lindenle | or I think there is vnc4server too |
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| 22:45.20 | shingouz | LokeDK: and it still does not work? |
| 22:45.38 | fantomas | woodland: I guess there is a debian way for such operation, but I just added a line into ~/.xsession: blackbox. .xsession is just a script which is executed by X upon startup |
| 22:45.40 | tommy | anyone wanna tell me how to install a package? ive tried apt-get, but it says couldnt find package |
| 22:45.51 | LokeDK | nope shingouz |
| 22:46.01 | LokeDK | xfree couldn't even start with /dev/input/mice |
| 22:46.02 | {BUD}-AntX | tommy: first make sure the package you wanna install actually exists. |
| 22:46.11 | {BUD}-AntX | tommy: try apt-cache search "package" |
| 22:46.14 | shingouz | LokeDK: what kernel you use? |
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| 22:46.29 | woodland | so, fantomas, after i install kde, how should i let know debian to log in to kde ? |
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| 22:46.34 | LokeDK | debian:/home/loke# uname -a |
| 22:46.34 | LokeDK | Linux debian 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:46.37 | tommy | is it the file i downloaded that ends in i386.deb or the one ending in ,tar,bz2? |
| 22:46.55 | shingouz | LokeDK: do you have gpm installed? |
| 22:47.00 | LokeDK | nope |
| 22:47.06 | fantomas | Please tell someone to woodland about how to change destop manager in Debian? (I don't know) |
| 22:47.08 | {BUD}-AntX | tommy: if you wanna install a .deb directly, then dpkg --help | grep install |
| 22:47.09 | shingouz | LokeDK: you sure about gpm? |
| 22:47.23 | LokeDK | Package gpm is not installed, so not removed |
| 22:47.30 | LokeDK | it says |
| 22:48.15 | shingouz | LokeDK: hehe.. that is pretty sure then. ok, mouse device as /dev/psaux, protocol to PS/2. should work |
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| 22:48.33 | tommy | hehe that gave me lotsa text. command syntax? |
| 22:48.34 | shingouz | LokeDK: in other words, try it once more just to make sure |
| 22:48.36 | LokeDK | shingouz, yeah |
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| 22:49.09 | fantomas | Would anyone help me with dpkg output? I cant grep dpkg output by version number because when I pipe it - columns become narrower and versions dont fit there |
| 22:49.12 | LokeDK | shingouz, it's set to ImPS/2 in xfree config file |
| 22:49.30 | shingouz | LokeDK: PS/2, not ImPS/2 |
| 22:49.35 | {BUD}-AntX | tommy: dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb |
| 22:49.36 | LokeDK | sec i'll try |
| 22:49.55 | shingouz | LokeDK: that is of course if the mouse is a plain two button ps/2 with no wheels or nothing |
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| 22:50.16 | GeekZoid | Hi I am runnign a SUSE NIS server and imtrying to connect it to a debian NIS client box |
| 22:50.18 | LokeDK | shingouz, okay didn't knew |
| 22:50.26 | GeekZoid | and its using a shadows it hink ont he sue |
| 22:50.32 | tommy | ty bud |
| 22:50.34 | tommy | tryin that |
| 22:50.35 | GeekZoid | but I can not get the passwords to work witht he NIS client |
| 22:50.47 | GeekZoid | i can use yppcat passwd and the nis server is active |
| 22:51.02 | GeekZoid | what could be the problem with trying to logon with the passwords/ |
| 22:51.16 | johns^ | did you edit /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
| 22:51.19 | GeekZoid | yes. |
| 22:51.29 | GeekZoid | nsswitch.conf looks like this passwd: files nis |
| 22:51.33 | johns^ | wel that should work. |
| 22:51.38 | johns^ | ah no, nis files |
| 22:51.44 | johns^ | swap them |
| 22:51.51 | rob_lt | fantomas, what do you mean... try "COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l | grep 1.0.4" |
| 22:52.01 | GeekZoid | but its working onthe other boxes like that? |
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| 22:52.15 | tommy | cannot access archive, no such file or directory |
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| 22:52.21 | GeekZoid | ill give it a try brb |
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| 22:52.35 | johns^ | eh what's happening when you try to log on |
| 22:52.44 | fantomas | rob_lt: saviour! yes! |
| 22:52.52 | {BUD}-AntX | tommy, I would like to stay polite but... how much time have you spent in linux yet? lol |
| 22:53.02 | PaPyRene10 | what is the best way to synchronise automagically the time (a time server daemon)? |
| 22:53.04 | LokeDK | thanks that worked shingouz |
| 22:53.11 | tommy | very little on linux, 20 years with windows, dos, etc |
| 22:53.12 | shingouz | LokeDK: yw |
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| 22:53.22 | orkid | hi, can anyone help with a network card install? i have two DFE530TX cards, and via_rhine is loaded, but ifconfig eth0 give an error that no such device exists. it seems like the PCI devices don't get 'mapped' to eth devices. |
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| 22:53.26 | tommy | and its not impolite to ask that :) |
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| 22:53.53 | somePriest | Is it true that Debian is switching to using X over Xfree86? |
| 22:53.56 | shingouz | orkid: first of all try ifconfig -a |
| 22:54.08 | tommy | do i have the syntax for the location right? |
| 22:54.12 | shingouz | fluck... :( |
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| 22:54.16 | MikeW | Hmm, I can't seem to get vncserver working. I setup my password. It says its logging to a file, but I can't connect to it from tightvnc client on the network :/ |
| 22:54.21 | fantomas | somePriest: whats ther difference? |
| 22:54.33 | johns^ | MikeW: how are you trying to connect |
| 22:54.34 | rob_lt | somePriest, xorg over xfree86 |
| 22:54.35 | orkid | shingouz: only lo is listed... |
| 22:54.39 | rob_lt | somePriest, and yes |
| 22:54.40 | lindenle | is the 5901 port blocked |
| 22:54.51 | johns^ | vncviewer server:1 |
| 22:54.55 | johns^ | ? |
| 22:54.58 | tommy | is it /home/tom/folder filename or /home/tom/folder/filename |
| 22:55.07 | johns^ | some people forget the :1 :) |
| 22:55.10 | somePriest | rob_lt : Xorg is not currently in stable, if I'm correct? |
| 22:55.21 | orkid | shingouz: i tried to rmmod the via_rhine module, but it segfaults.. (fresh install of deb3.1 using expert2.6) |
| 22:55.27 | rob_lt | somePriest, correct, but it is in unstable, I'm not sure if it is in testing yet |
| 22:55.28 | fantomas | rob_lt: maybe you heard when this will happen approx? |
| 22:55.30 | jdhutchin1 | somePriest, xorg is not in stable- it never will be because stable's packages don't change |
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| 22:55.44 | {BUD}-AntX | tommy: /home/tom/folder/pack.deb |
| 22:55.45 | rob_lt | fantomas, I'm sure the next stable release will use xorg |
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| 22:55.59 | {BUD}-AntX | rob_lt: that is, in two years. |
| 22:56.02 | shingouz | orkid: first of all, modprobe -r module |
| 22:56.09 | rob_lt | !xorg |
| 22:56.09 | dpkg | it has been said that xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
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| 22:56.15 | MikeW | johns^: Oh, I did forget the :1 :) |
| 22:56.15 | tommy | i did it that way and it tells me file or dir doesnt exist |
| 22:56.17 | shingouz | orkid: you sure that is the correct module? |
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| 22:56.24 | somePriest | jdhutchin1 : "Never"? You mean never till it actually does change? |
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| 22:56.38 | MikeW | eek, it looks nothing like my current desktop |
| 22:56.44 | jdhutchin1 | somePriest, xorg will never be in sarge, that's what I meant |
| 22:56.50 | lindenle | .vncrc needs to be edited |
| 22:56.51 | BourneAgain | I am very happy to report that I finally am using the full capabilities of impi for Debian. |
| 22:57.00 | somePriest | jdhutchin1 : fair enough, but in a few years it'll be in what is then stable. |
| 22:57.05 | somePriest | jdhutchin1 : Possibly. |
| 22:57.13 | lindenle | mikew: that is where you picjk the desktop |
| 22:57.14 | {BUD}-AntX | tommy: make sure the file actually exists then. and don't forget, linux is case-sensitive. :D |
| 22:57.44 | tommy | hehe it does, im lookin at it, no capitals in path or file so im not missin it there |
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| 22:58.57 | {BUD}-AntX | ok then.. just cd to the actually directory, and type dpkg -i ./file.deb |
| 22:59.17 | tommy | k, tryin that |
| 22:59.27 | lindenle | tommy: could the file permissions be wrong? |
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| 22:59.34 | tommy | dunno |
| 22:59.43 | {BUD}-AntX | it would say "permission denied" then. |
| 22:59.47 | lindenle | just a thought, prolly wrong |
| 22:59.53 | lindenle | yeah I would guess |
| 22:59.58 | shingouz | lindenle, tommy: to actually install with dpkg you need to be root in the forst place |
| 23:00.01 | tommy | ok, that made progress bud |
| 23:00.07 | lindenle | that is very true |
| 23:00.08 | tommy | am root shin :) |
| 23:00.13 | shingouz | !nicktab |
| 23:00.13 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
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| 23:00.16 | lindenle | but 000 still blocks root |
| 23:00.21 | lindenle | until changed |
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| 23:00.33 | liable | tommy: just put in the first few letters then <tab> |
| 23:00.33 | tommy | dpkg tells me dependancies missing, aka packages i need, right? |
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| 23:00.39 | liable | yes |
| 23:00.56 | tommy | easy way to get packages, or go search online? |
| 23:01.11 | shingouz | tommy: what package are you trying to install? |
| 23:01.13 | lindenle | whya rent you just using apt-get? (soory late arrival) |
| 23:01.15 | {BUD}-AntX | apt-get all the way. That's why Debian is so wonderfull. |
| 23:01.28 | shingouz | tommy: apt-get install package |
| 23:01.39 | eutopia | tommy: hello |
| 23:01.39 | tommy | needs libgcc1, libpcap0, libstdc++6 |
| 23:02.02 | shingouz | tommy: what package are you trying to install in the first place? |
| 23:02.05 | MikeW | lindenle: I can't find the .vncrc file. Where is it usually located? |
| 23:02.09 | tommy | those 3 |
| 23:02.12 | tommy | oh |
| 23:02.25 | shingouz | tommy: with dpkg.. :) |
| 23:02.30 | tommy | showeq, tryin to test something |
| 23:02.31 | fantomas | misunderstanding:)) |
| 23:02.39 | shmloe | Hi, does any1 know what font is the debian logo uses? |
| 23:02.54 | orkid | shingouz: i'm going to look into that a bit more... i thought that using two identical cards might be causing problems. thanks. |
| 23:02.57 | shingouz | tommy: do not test yet. just tell me what the package is |
| 23:03.09 | shingouz | !irritate shmloe |
| 23:03.10 | dpkg | shmloe: Y iz debain so old? who uses dvd !!!1 |
| 23:03.22 | tommy | showeq5.0.0.25_i386.deb |
| 23:03.30 | shmloe | !stop shingouz |
| 23:03.49 | shingouz | tommy: you running sarge? |
| 23:03.57 | tommy | uh |
| 23:04.01 | tommy | i dunno? lol |
| 23:04.07 | lindenle | cat /etcdebian_bversion |
| 23:04.09 | shingouz | shmloe: any1.. geezz... |
| 23:04.11 | lindenle | with out the b |
| 23:04.34 | shingouz | !info showeq sarge |
| 23:04.38 | lindenle | /etc/debian_version |
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| 23:04.58 | tommy | cat /etcdebian_version > no such fike/dir |
| 23:05.12 | orkid | shingouz: yes, it's the right driver (lspci lists the cards with ... [Rhine] ... so i'm assuming DLink isn't lieing) |
| 23:05.13 | tommy | err file |
| 23:05.23 | orkid | shingouz: any ideas from there? |
| 23:05.25 | MikeW | lindenle: where is the .vncrc file? |
| 23:05.27 | lindenle | /etc/debian_version |
| 23:05.30 | shingouz | tommy: apparently does not exist. apt-get install the missing packages, then dpkg -i the showeq (whatever that is supposed to do) |
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| 23:05.35 | johns^ | MikeW: /etc/vnc.conf |
| 23:05.36 | johns^ | ? |
| 23:05.45 | lindenle | mikew: in your home directopry |
| 23:05.50 | shingouz | orkid: modprobe the module, do ifconfig -a |
| 23:05.51 | tommy | just apt-get <packagename> |
| 23:05.54 | lindenle | mikew: directory |
| 23:06.02 | shingouz | tommy: apt-get install packagename |
| 23:06.05 | lindenle | apt-get install packagename |
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| 23:06.14 | {BUD}-AntX | tommy: yep, for example, one would type "apt-get install samba" to install the latest stable samba package. |
| 23:06.28 | {BUD}-AntX | anb apt would take care of all dependencies. |
| 23:06.37 | {BUD}-AntX | s/anb/and |
| 23:07.00 | tommy | wierd |
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| 23:07.20 | {BUD}-AntX | how's that weird. it's the cleanest and fastest way to install and update a unix system. |
| 23:07.20 | {BUD}-AntX | :P |
| 23:07.31 | tommy | apt-get install libgcc1 > libgcc1 is already the newest vrsion |
| 23:07.32 | orkid | shingouz: same thing. only lo is listed. the module was already loaded, but it's not used. is there some way to force a device to use a specific module, or is that all done by the kernel? |
| 23:07.42 | xnet | I'm having a little problem mounting my NTFS drive. does the 2.6 kernel have ntfs mount support? |
| 23:07.54 | lindenle | read only |
| 23:08.13 | lindenle | it has experimental write |
| 23:08.14 | somePriest | What package contains extra manufacturer drivers for cups? Do the foomatic-db packages have drivers that cups uses? |
| 23:08.19 | shingouz | orkid: i am not too sure about how to proceed from there now. the nics should be seen and be useable |
| 23:08.19 | tommy | showeq depends: libgcc1 1:4.0.0.9 but 1:3.4.3-13 to be installed |
| 23:08.20 | orkid | xnet: if you compiled it in. try running: modprobe ntfs before mounting the drive. |
| 23:08.25 | alistair | I just did apt-get upgrade.. alot of the stuff is failing |
| 23:08.36 | orkid | shingouz: alright, thanks for your help. |
| 23:08.52 | bonez41 | print question: background: at my office I print web articles across a network from linux machine to networked laser jet on a windows box...the pages print out great...but at home, printing from linux box, directly to another laser jet....the page headers, url, and footer information gets truncated.....both print from the same version of firefox......to relatively same printer.... |
| 23:08.57 | shingouz | alistair: please tell me you did not change your sources.list |
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| 23:09.12 | alistair | i expanded it, added more url's, but i kept the originals |
| 23:09.13 | shingouz | orkid: sorry i could not help you more |
| 23:09.18 | bonez41 | the office printer now has 5 mb onboard memory..not sure how much memory is on my laserjet iii here at home |
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| 23:09.28 | alistair | so it should be fine |
| 23:09.30 | shingouz | alistair: what url's did you add? |
| 23:09.42 | alistair | Some extra sources for certain files |
| 23:09.47 | alistair | such as gfx drivers etc |
| 23:09.52 | alistair | its going fine now |
| 23:10.12 | shingouz | alistair: repositories for non-debian packages? |
| 23:10.34 | alistair | i think |
| 23:10.43 | MikeW | Hmm, so how do I get vncserver to use the current display? As in my full pretty kde desktop with all my windows? |
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| 23:11.04 | shingouz | alistair: excellent. most likely you will have a borked system very soon (and i am not going to be able to help) |
| 23:11.16 | alistair | i get errors about falling back (C), something like that:/ |
| 23:11.26 | alistair | well... we learn from mistakes |
| 23:11.41 | shingouz | alistair: stable, testing or unstable? |
| 23:11.46 | alistair | stable |
| 23:11.54 | xnet | I'm confused, 2.6 I have to compile it in or is it in by default? |
| 23:12.00 | shingouz | thank $deity_of_your_choice for that |
| 23:12.03 | lindenle | might be in as a module |
| 23:12.10 | xnet | ntfs mounting that is |
| 23:12.10 | lindenle | you need to insmod the module |
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| 23:12.20 | lindenle | modprobe ntfs |
| 23:12.20 | shingouz | xnet: fresh install? |
| 23:12.23 | alistair | but im getting |
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| 23:12.24 | lindenle | or use modconf |
| 23:12.30 | xnet | no, i've been using it for a while |
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| 23:12.55 | shingouz | !tell xnet about ntfs |
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| 23:13.06 | alistair | unable to installize frontend: gnome |
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| 23:13.32 | shingouz | bonez41: just ask |
| 23:13.34 | SimonRaven | alistair: now you know why you should leave the frontend as dialog |
| 23:13.46 | lindenle | shingouz: good info |
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| 23:13.47 | alistair | i didnt mess with it |
| 23:13.52 | alistair | probably because i disable gdm |
| 23:14.03 | two|face | hwy how do you install mysql on debian, do you ahve to download the soruce and compile? |
| 23:14.06 | bonez41 | shingouz, I did, a la print question: background: at my office I print web articles across a network from linux machine to networked laser jet on a windows box...the pages print out great...but at home, printing from linux box, directly to another laser jet....the page headers, url, and footer information gets truncated.....both print from the same version of firefox......to relatively same printer.... |
| 23:14.09 | shingouz | alistair: i think you did because it usually does not point to gnome |
| 23:14.18 | bonez41 | shingouz, the office printer now has 5 mb onboard memory..not sure how much memory is on my laserjet iii here at home |
| 23:14.19 | SimonRaven | no, default is dialog. you did mess with it. but that's not my point anyway |
| 23:14.22 | supaman | hi, I have firefox 1.0.4 and I just installed the adobe SVG plugin locally but when I try to view a page with a SVG object in it I just get up the EULA where it says I should press A to accept but it doesnt work ... any of you recognise this problem? |
| 23:14.36 | shingouz | bonez41: do not ask me! i have no clue on how the hell that is done |
| 23:15.13 | bonez41 | shingouz, ok....sorry....my questions are invisible today... |
| 23:15.20 | SimonRaven | bonez41: might need to adjust the margins or something (?) |
| 23:15.58 | lindenle | list |
| 23:16.10 | SimonRaven | @kill lindenle |
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| 23:16.48 | shingouz | damn painful day to dist-upgrade to sid. going package by package to keep the darn thing running. and yes, i know about the sid faq :p |
| 23:17.17 | petemc | thats good to know |
| 23:17.22 | SimonRaven | you should be |
| 23:17.32 | lindenle | sorry :( forgot the / |
| 23:17.41 | bucky | i'm glad they broke sid like it's supposed to be broken |
| 23:17.50 | shingouz | hehehe |
| 23:17.55 | petemc | thats daft |
| 23:18.00 | SimonRaven | oh, i thought you were some idiot warezer =) |
| 23:18.01 | nevyn | sid is actually somewhat unstable ;) |
| 23:18.08 | petemc | its transitory, not broken |
| 23:18.15 | shingouz | nevyn: geeee... :p |
| 23:18.17 | bucky | were's all the "I use sid all the time" newbies now? |
| 23:18.28 | lindenle | SimonRaven: no i was trying to see if there was a senmail channel |
| 23:18.32 | SimonRaven | it'll settle down when c++ and gcc and other stuff get sorted out |
| 23:18.41 | shingouz | bucky: no idea. maybe they have a borked computer somewhere now |
| 23:18.49 | sward | Someone replaced them with "I use sid all the time" oldies |
| 23:18.51 | SimonRaven | lindenle: ask chanserv for the list, it's easier |
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| 23:18.59 | SimonRaven | i think there is one |
| 23:19.02 | lindenle | better than "/list" |
| 23:19.24 | bucky | lindenle, there's a #sendmail channel with 31 people in it |
| 23:19.38 | lindenle | thanks all |
| 23:20.05 | tommy | this is really getting frustrationg heh |
| 23:20.22 | bucky | lindenle, there's also a sendmail-doc package available that's pretty good |
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| 23:20.38 | petemc | theres also exim... |
| 23:20.40 | alistair | after apt-get update, most of my icons are gone on the taskbar and menu, what can i do?? |
| 23:20.42 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.49 | tommy | synaptic package anager says i have the current versions of the libraries, but the program im tryin to install says i need higher versions |
| 23:21.16 | SimonRaven | alistair: dance? make love with your girl/boy/otherfriend? |
| 23:21.24 | alistair | i ran apt-get upgrade, now i cant see alot of items such as office.org |
| 23:21.28 | alistair | what can i do? :! |
| 23:21.38 | shingouz | alistair: you sure it was just an apt-get update? for some reason i have a feeling that you did a dist-upgrade |
| 23:21.50 | ohad | hi, i am trying to mount my digital hd. i am running sarge with kernel 2.6.11 i've tried to find it under /dev/sda1 sda2 nothing |
| 23:21.52 | alistair | i didnt |
| 23:21.55 | tommy | i have libpcap 0.8.3-5, it wants 0.9.3-1 or better |
| 23:21.55 | alistair | but it isnt showing up |
| 23:21.56 | alistair | what can i do?? |
| 23:22.09 | SimonRaven | @do alistair |
| 23:22.23 | shingouz | alistair: how about the most elementary thing. are the packages installed in the first place? |
| 23:22.26 | ohad | this shows me that the cam is recognized - cat /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 23:22.57 | tommy | shin: it shows installed |
| 23:22.58 | alistair | yea |
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| 23:23.31 | alistair | i just cant see any more stuff as i used too |
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| 23:24.01 | alistair | when i click home, it says, oen with |
| 23:24.03 | alistair | open with* |
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| 23:24.09 | SimonRaven | ohad: you need some other stuff, like scsi support for instance... the other folks here know more |
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| 23:24.32 | alistair | what the hell can i do |
| 23:25.23 | shingouz | alistair: how about giving us the information we ask for?. and lose the enter |
| 23:25.46 | dontpanic | has anyone had trouble rebuilding a kernel, then getting, "Cannot open root device "hda1" or inknown-block (0,0) |
| 23:25.46 | dontpanic | Please append a correct "root" boot option |
| 23:25.51 | alistair | what did you ask for |
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| 23:26.24 | shingouz | alistair: how about the most elementary thing. are the packages installed in the first place? |
| 23:26.25 | zOap | alistair, dunno if you can do anything in hell, but in linux you can do alot.. ok ok, I'll go |
| 23:26.42 | alistair | basically i think, KDE was half updated.. |
| 23:27.22 | Lanix | can java be install using apt ? |
| 23:27.23 | SimonRaven | ... you need to fix it then... |
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| 23:27.27 | alistair | how can i |
| 23:27.33 | SimonRaven | apt-get -f install |
| 23:28.11 | alistair | 352 not upgraded |
| 23:28.16 | alistair | you may want to run apt-get update |
| 23:28.20 | alistair | but that doesnt work either |
| 23:28.24 | dontpanic | slow night |
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| 23:28.37 | tommy | who wants to help me with packages lol |
| 23:29.14 | tommy | when i try and install one package it gives me 3 dependancy errors |
| 23:29.52 | alistair | i think on upgrade it missed some packages out, how can i get them installed now? |
| 23:30.12 | green_earz | Lanix: http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 |
| 23:30.21 | SimonRaven | tommy: more info please... we're not mind readers, we're not in front of the box |
| 23:30.31 | tommy | sorry :) |
| 23:30.42 | alistair | damn i need some help >_< |
| 23:31.07 | SimonRaven | alistair: run update and upgrade. and next time be more careful. in fact i suggest you run dselect or aptitude or synaptic to fix this. apt-get dep handling isn't as good as those |
| 23:31.08 | sward | alistair: Anything that a police officer and a couple of doctors could help you with? |
| 23:31.15 | tommy | it tells me like one is libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.9) but 1:3.4.3-13 is installed |
| 23:31.34 | tommy | i cant find a 1:4... anywhere |
| 23:31.48 | SimonRaven | tommy: same for you, run one of the other frontends |
| 23:32.05 | alistair | i cannot reach synaptic |
| 23:32.08 | alistair | i will launch it from konsole |
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| 23:32.36 | tommy | this is gonna sound really dumb but how simon, its a debian net install, and this is what it gave me hehehe |
| 23:32.44 | SimonRaven | alistair: then run aptitude |
| 23:32.55 | zOap | alistair, just a thought, did you by any chance add testing or unstable to your sources? |
| 23:33.05 | alistair | i dont think |
| 23:33.16 | SimonRaven | better check to make sure |
| 23:33.41 | alistair | i'll update in dselect in a minute |
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| 23:34.27 | shingouz | alistair: just check the soureces.list and be sure you do not have "testing" or "unstable" lurking anywhere in the file |
| 23:34.39 | SimonRaven | tommy: please don't /msg me unless it really is private. we're all new to something, or have been. no worries |
| 23:34.41 | shingouz | sources.list |
| 23:35.21 | alistair | ah ok |
| 23:35.22 | tommy | well, how do i run another frontend? is one installed or do i have to go download it? |
| 23:36.17 | alistair | sources.list doesn't know what to open with, what the heck? |
| 23:36.44 | dontpanic | has anyone had trouble rebuilding a kernel, then getting, "Cannot open root device "hda1" or inknown-block (0,0) |
| 23:36.49 | zOap | alistair, vim or vi? |
| 23:36.51 | SimonRaven | tommy: what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
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| 23:37.16 | two|face | hey is it possible to install mysql using apt-get ? |
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| 23:37.18 | SimonRaven | dontpanic: forgot your rootfs' or ide/scsi support built in. |
| 23:37.25 | zOap | two|face, yes |
| 23:37.31 | SimonRaven | two|face: yes |
| 23:37.34 | alistair | damn what can i do about this |
| 23:37.39 | two|face | groovy :) |
| 23:37.43 | tommy | simon: 3.1 |
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| 23:37.46 | two|face | I tried apt-get install msyql but it didn't find it |
| 23:37.50 | two|face | oh 3.1 forget it ;) |
| 23:38.05 | two|face | oh wait that was to simon |
| 23:38.07 | dontpanic | simonRaven: how do I fix that |
| 23:38.07 | alistair | i cannot reach volume control or anything |
| 23:38.09 | two|face | :-p |
| 23:38.12 | SimonRaven | tommy: tun aptitude |
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| 23:38.22 | alistair | i need to reinstall kde, will aptitude do the job? |
| 23:38.30 | zOap | two|face, apt-cache search mysql, libapache-mysql something |
| 23:38.32 | SimonRaven | dontpanic: re-configure it. or install a debian kernel |
| 23:38.33 | tommy | simon: its open |
| 23:38.41 | SimonRaven | er run* |
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| 23:38.52 | SimonRaven | tommy: then do g, then u |
| 23:39.01 | dontpanic | simonRaven: thank you |
| 23:39.04 | shmloe | !stop |
| 23:39.04 | dpkg | PLEASE STOP! |
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| 23:39.18 | two|face | hmm ok |
| 23:39.36 | two|face | if I get the binary package from mysql.com do you know if it has all the developer stuff? |
| 23:39.48 | SimonRaven | two|face: no need for that |
| 23:39.50 | tommy | simon: downloaded 38kb, total progress 100%, stalled |
| 23:39.59 | SimonRaven | just wait for it |
| 23:40.10 | SimonRaven | @tell two|face -about search |
| 23:40.17 | erockadus1 | 15" PB 1.5ghz superdrive. . . my video card doesn't seem to be supported . . ? If I try to go bigger than 600 X 800 it will not work any ideas .. . ?? Please e-mail to: michaelbmartinez@gmail.com |
| 23:40.18 | tommy | simon: its waiting on an ok prompt for me to hit enter, hit it? |
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| 23:40.49 | SimonRaven | tommy: eh, what *kind* of prompt? |
| 23:40.53 | zOap | two|face, dont install the binaries if you dont have a good reason for it, it will somewhere on the line fuck up your os |
| 23:41.06 | SimonRaven | erockadus1: new pb? |
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| 23:41.17 | SimonRaven | erockadus1: #debianppc |
| 23:41.23 | erockadus1 | yes |
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| 23:41.27 | two|face | ok |
| 23:41.29 | erockadus1 | new PB |
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| 23:41.36 | two|face | I guess I should just get source then |
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| 23:41.46 | punsad | is there anyway to find out my bios string without having to reboot and looking at the information that flashes by before OS loads? |
| 23:41.54 | SimonRaven | should be supported.. i think |
| 23:41.57 | tommy | simon: just a box in the middle, black text on grey downloaded kb in 3s, ok below it cursor blinkin on it |
| 23:41.58 | zOap | two|face, just install it with apt, it's not a big deal |
| 23:42.08 | SimonRaven | punsad: i don't know of any other way |
| 23:42.19 | alistair | unable to load gnome: is libgnome2 installed? |
| 23:42.20 | alistair | :/ |
| 23:42.22 | petemc | punsad: /proc/cmdline |
| 23:42.24 | SimonRaven | tommy: oh ok, yeh sure |
| 23:42.39 | SimonRaven | alistair: then install it... |
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| 23:42.51 | tommy | simon: it did a couple things too fast to see, now back at the main window of aptitude |
| 23:42.52 | petemc | punsad: actually, i dont knmow what you mean |
| 23:42.55 | alistair | dkpg failed |
| 23:42.55 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 23:43.15 | eutopia | is anyone using ABC (Another Bittorent Clinet) on Debian? |
| 23:43.19 | SimonRaven | people, you don't need handholding, you need to think for yourselves too |
| 23:43.23 | alistair | you must manually run dkpg to fix the problem, what shall i do? :/ |
| 23:43.24 | zOap | two|face, you have to know what php you're running though. |
| 23:43.33 | punsad | petemc: looks like that just shows the parameters for booting the kernel |
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| 23:43.50 | ny | hi |
| 23:43.51 | petemc | punsad: indeeed it does, what is it you want to see? |
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| 23:44.30 | zOap | !hi |
| 23:44.31 | dpkg | hello, zoap |
| 23:44.34 | jkasdn | is there a way to get the debian menu in gnome 2.10? |
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| 23:44.40 | punsad | My main problem is that I've got a crust old computer and it does not recognize my large hard drive.... from googling around - it seems that I need to upgrade my BIOS... so I need my BIOS string to specify which firmware to get |
| 23:44.51 | petemc | jkasdn: install the package "menu" |
| 23:44.56 | moshii | punsad: there might be a jumper on the drive |
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| 23:45.07 | punsad | petemc: I think i need to know my BIOS string... google around to find firmware upgrade on net |
| 23:45.25 | jkasdn | petemc: thanks, i'll try that |
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| 23:45.39 | punsad | moshii: what would that do for me? doesn't that just control slave/master? |
| 23:45.44 | moshii | punsad: for you BIOS string .. pause the machine while it's in post .. using the post key |
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| 23:45.46 | petemc | punsad: does linux not see the drive? look in dmesg, it should |
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| 23:45.57 | tommy | what category in aptitude is libraries? |
| 23:45.58 | Daffy-PKF | i have troubles with nat and ip_forwarding (maybe it's the same... ?), i activated nat on ppp0 with iptables, and wrote 1 in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, but using the connection from a box on the local network, it's extromly slow (like now), is it due to the fact my router only have 15Mb ram? or is it "something" else? |
| 23:46.13 | startxwhite | i am trying to burn an iso image using k3b and xcdroast using a USB HP cd-writer 8200 series BUT neither burning app can detect the device. can anyone help? |
| 23:46.14 | punsad | petemc: linux recognizes the drive... but thinks it's only 30GB instead of 40GB |
| 23:46.19 | zOap | tommy, what?? |
| 23:46.20 | moshii | punsad: you might have a limiting jumper, that'll make the drive show up smaller to the BIOS but you'll be able to boot from it and use the whole thing |
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| 23:46.55 | tommy | in aptitude, im looking at not installed packages, lookin thru it for libgcc etc, but theres tons of categories under not installed |
| 23:47.12 | jkasdn | petemc: it says i already have the newest version of menu installed. something else must be wrong i guess |
| 23:47.13 | tommy | admin/base/com/dev, etc |
| 23:47.30 | ny | i cannot set $sa_spam_report_header in /etc/amavisd/amavisd.conf it always tells me "Error in config file /etc/amavis/amavisd.conf: Global symbol "$sa_spam_report_header" requires explicit package name at /etc/amavis/amavisd.conf line foo i installed amavisd-new: 20030616p10-5 spamassassin: 3.0.3-2 |
| 23:47.35 | alistair | How would linux run with a wireless network + linksys router |
| 23:47.36 | ny | :) |
| 23:47.36 | tommy | libs, duh lol |
| 23:47.52 | punsad | startxwhite: did you pass hdx=ide-scsi during booting? what kernel are you using? |
| 23:47.52 | ny | oh, system is stable |
| 23:48.00 | petemc | alistair: i use a wrt54g, its great |
| 23:48.16 | moshii | alistair: the linksys router probably runs linux, mine does |
| 23:48.31 | zOap | tommy, don't /msg me. We solve problems in open. This is how we learn |
| 23:48.49 | tommy | that was way way earlier z0ap :) |
| 23:48.56 | startxwhite | punsad: i am using a 2.6 kernel |
| 23:49.00 | tommy | i think before i passed out last night |
| 23:49.06 | zOap | tommy, ok |
| 23:49.13 | alistair | cool |
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| 23:49.28 | zOap | still |
| 23:49.28 | alistair | i'll be using my linksys router soon, 4 ethernet slots + 1 wireless, so i will get a network card for my laptop, im excited :) |
| 23:49.39 | punsad | startxwhite: try installing sg-utils, then run sg_scan -i... my expereince is that if it doesnt show there... it will not work no matter what |
| 23:50.01 | j30 | greets |
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| 23:50.19 | j30 | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:50.20 | j30 | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 23:50.31 | j30 | what does this mean |
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| 23:50.37 | j30 | any help ? |
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| 23:50.39 | punsad | startxwhite: are you using the ide-scsi module? supposedly 2.6 doesn't need it... but I always had problems with it |
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| 23:50.45 | moshii | j30: the server refused your connection to it |
| 23:50.59 | zOap | tommy, gcc normally complaints about versions when you have switched the sources without doing the upgrade. This is a very nice way to slowly killing your system |
| 23:51.11 | epsilon | .oO (building deb package is stressing) |
| 23:51.13 | j30 | everytime i try to use tk in perl scripts i get this |
| 23:51.19 | j30 | what does it mean |
| 23:51.22 | Miles_Prower | Hello, upon compiling a 2.6.12.5 kernel following the following tutorial.. http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949.. I get several errors. They follow: | VFS: Cannot open root device "HDA1" or unknown-block(0,0) | Please append a correct "root=" boot option | Kernal Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block | |
| 23:51.28 | punsad | startxwhite: ... that is ... even with 2.6 - i stil needed the hdc=ide-scsi to get burner to be recognized |
| 23:51.29 | j30 | how can i fix it |
| 23:52.00 | ohad | i am trying to mount my digi cam |
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| 23:52.03 | ohad | any suggestions? |
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| 23:52.08 | jdhutchin1 | Miles_Prower, either make an initrd or compile all your ide stuff in (not as modules) |
| 23:52.15 | j30 | any hiint? |
| 23:52.16 | jdhutchin1 | ohad, mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/photo |
| 23:52.20 | Miles_Prower | ok. ^.^ |
| 23:52.28 | zOap | j30, patience |
| 23:52.33 | Miles_Prower | I will research making an initrd then. |
| 23:52.38 | Miles_Prower | thank you. |
| 23:52.43 | moshii | j30: are you running the script as the same user as X is logged in as ... phew |
| 23:52.49 | tommy | i want to thank you guys for this help tho, im learning :) |
| 23:52.56 | punsad | startxwhite: are you still there? i think its sg3-utils.. not sg-utils |
| 23:52.57 | jdhutchin1 | Miles_Prower, you should use the debian tools to build the kernel image- you can get it to automatically create an initrd |
| 23:53.09 | zOap | tommy, we all are, all the time:) |
| 23:53.18 | j30 | moshii: just a sec |
| 23:53.21 | Miles_Prower | I did use the debian tools. |
| 23:53.27 | punsad | startxwhite: are you still there? i think its sg3-utils.. not sg-utils |
| 23:53.30 | Miles_Prower | dpkg/such |
| 23:53.32 | green_earz | Miles_Prower: have a look at the kernel compile steps a this link > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
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| 23:53.37 | Miles_Prower | Thank you. |
| 23:53.39 | iratsu | X doesn't want to start and I don't have any errors in the log. I do, however see Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a:fbmmx.o": No symbols found. Could this have anything to do with it? |
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| 23:53.53 | moshii | j30: if you're su'ing to a different user, check out the sux package |
| 23:53.54 | Daffy-PKF | can someone explain me why my connections through nat are so slow? |
| 23:54.05 | jdhutchin1 | iratsu, if X doesn't start, there has to be an error in the log |
| 23:54.33 | jdhutchin1 | Daffy-PKF, you have a slow router? |
| 23:54.41 | tommy | what do i do if a lib i need isnt listed in aptitude? |
| 23:54.49 | iratsu | jdhutchin1: well I grep'ed for EE and there's nothing |
| 23:54.55 | zOap | iratsu, so you are telling us that X starts and stops without any error showing?? |
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| 23:55.04 | punsad | tommy: install from tar ball... just a thought. |
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| 23:55.22 | j30 | moshii: can i pm u? |
| 23:55.29 | tommy | anywhere in particular i should look for it? |
| 23:55.32 | iratsu | z0ap: there's a small dialog that pops up and tells me there's an error but when I ask to see the log, there's no (EE) |
| 23:55.44 | punsad | tommy: the tarball? or the deb package? |
| 23:55.57 | Daffy-PKF | jdhutchin1, well, i thought of, but it doesn't seem to have troubles when i access the net through it |
| 23:56.03 | tommy | punsad: deb would be easier for me wouldnt it? |
| 23:56.05 | punsad | tommy: what lib are you looking for? Have you tried sourceforge? google? |
| 23:56.09 | moshii | j30: any particular reason? |
| 23:56.10 | zOap | iratsu, is this a x dialog or a cli dialog? |
| 23:56.22 | punsad | tommy: yeah - but you said it's not in aptitude |
| 23:56.39 | punsad | tommy: you can try 'apt-cache search' for looking for it |
| 23:56.40 | Daffy-PKF | jdhutchin1, for example i'm now connected to irc through nat, and just the step of the connection was extremly slow, the chat is ok |
| 23:56.41 | tommy | aptitude has a section for local |
| 23:56.43 | iratsu | z0ap: cli |
| 23:56.44 | j30 | not really i just wanna ask few questions |
| 23:57.00 | zOap | iratsu, what x server? |
| 23:57.06 | moshii | iratsu: have you got xterm or something installed... it's probably saying "I have nothing to run" |
| 23:57.18 | moshii | j30: yeah go for it |
| 23:57.20 | iratsu | z0ap: xserver-xorg |
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| 23:57.31 | iratsu | moshii: hmm waht do you mean? |
| 23:57.38 | alistair | guys, i still cant see the rest, office and games etc |
| 23:57.54 | zOap | iratsu, do a dpkg-reconfigure and see if you misse something on install |
| 23:58.06 | punsad | tommy: btw - there's a good article on http://www.debian-administration.org/ for creating deb packages from tar balls |
| 23:58.13 | randall_ | when u update openofice how to remove the last version |
| 23:58.15 | moshii | iratsu: if you tap in startx .. it'll try and run a desktop or xterm, but if you don't have any of those it'll complain about having nothing to do and drop out |
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| 23:58.40 | alistair | what can fix my problem? |
| 23:58.44 | moshii | iratsu: in that case, there isn't a problem with the x server, thus no error message |
| 23:58.50 | tommy | punsad: well, its just i dunno what to do with a tar ball even heh |
| 23:59.03 | iratsu | moshii: oh, well X was working fine before i rebooted |
| 23:59.06 | zOap | tommy, again, when you install a package without the dependecies, you are on the long run asking for trouble |
| 23:59.17 | iratsu | moshii: and before i apt-get dist-upgrade'd |
| 23:59.21 | alistair | i did "apt-get upgrade", now in KDE, i cant see the desktop properly, on the menu only a few things are there |
| 23:59.27 | crn | msg dpkg ndiswrapper |
| 23:59.35 | tommy | z0ap: im trying to get the libraries to fix the dependancies so i can install it |
| 23:59.37 | jdhutchin1 | alistair, maybe you should restart kde? |
| 23:59.45 | moshii | iratsu: have you looked at the xsession-errors? |
| 23:59.55 | jdhutchin1 | tommy, are you installing a package from debian's repositories? |
