| 00:00.05 | alistair | i have rebooted jdhutchin1 |
| 00:00.09 | punsad | tommy: usuzally, you just just tar -xvzf filename.tgz, cd into the director, then ./configure, make , make install |
| 00:00.14 | zOap | tommy, I know, but installing it from tarball is seldom the solution |
| 00:00.17 | tommy | jdh: a package from sourceforge |
| 00:00.34 | jdhutchin1 | a .deb? or an rpm converted from alien? |
| 00:00.40 | punsad | tommy: ofcourse - you need to read the documents (README, INSTALL) to learn the options |
| 00:00.46 | tommy | z0ap: i was meaning if i found one of the libs in a tar ball i wouldnt know what to do with it |
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| 00:00.54 | green_earz | alistair: on the k bar go to settings and then menu updating tool |
| 00:00.57 | zOap | ok |
| 00:01.17 | alistair | settings isnt there |
| 00:01.21 | alistair | only a few things |
| 00:01.33 | alistair | i cant even open sources. , it ask me what to open it with |
| 00:02.00 | zOap | alistair, as I said before, vi or vim sources.list |
| 00:02.17 | zOap | alistair, or joe or whatever you use... |
| 00:02.19 | iratsu | moshii: no, how do i look at the xsession-errors? |
| 00:02.30 | alistair | etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:02.42 | alistair | green_earz |
| 00:02.43 | zOap | alistair, yes |
| 00:03.03 | alistair | i can only see logout, run session, bookmarks and a few others |
| 00:03.23 | zOap | alistair, what? |
| 00:03.28 | alistair | i can only see logout, run session, bookmarks and a few others |
| 00:03.32 | alistair | on the kbar |
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| 00:04.08 | iratsu | I get the following error in my command line when i run startx: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. |
| 00:04.09 | zOap | alistair, open an xterm: vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:04.16 | rahul | cls |
| 00:04.22 | zOap | alistair, if you're root... |
| 00:04.30 | alistair | im roto |
| 00:04.32 | alistair | root* |
| 00:04.47 | moshii | iratsu: how are you starting X? |
| 00:04.50 | alistair | im doing dist-upgrade now, imt ryimg everything |
| 00:04.53 | iratsu | moshii: startx |
| 00:04.54 | two|face | hey I need the mysql-dev package but I didn't see it on the apt-cache search list, any ideas? |
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| 00:05.13 | moshii | iratsu: more .xsession-errors |
| 00:05.18 | alistair | what can i do >_ |
| 00:05.30 | zOap | alistair, ok, just a pointer, never log in as root, log in as user and su into the apps you need as root... |
| 00:05.46 | alistair | yeah, im just using root to apt-get |
| 00:05.54 | zOap | ok |
| 00:05.57 | alistair | i can hardly use anything |
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| 00:05.58 | epsilon | Man! building own deb is really *pain* in the ass |
| 00:05.59 | alistair | on KDE now |
| 00:06.09 | alistair | i only see, bookmarks, logoff, start session and a few others¬ |
| 00:06.35 | zOap | alistair, ok, so you can't open an xterm? |
| 00:07.10 | iratsu | moshii: hmm are all those errors supposed to be from my last attempt starting X? |
| 00:07.28 | alistair | no |
| 00:07.41 | moshii | iratsu: I think so, delete it and try again.. or watch it on another VT |
| 00:07.43 | alistair | im currently in konsole, using apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 00:07.54 | zOap | alistair, hmm, you tried alt+f2 xterm? |
| 00:08.21 | alistair | also i only see, show desktop and k bar.. |
| 00:08.26 | iratsu | moshii: .xsession-errors: No such file or directory |
| 00:08.37 | alistair | apt + f2 = run command |
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| 00:08.47 | zOap | alistair, yes, and type xterm |
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| 00:09.30 | alistair | xterm |
| 00:09.31 | alistair | says |
| 00:09.35 | alistair | cannot run the command specified |
| 00:09.56 | eigenlambda | hehe my gfs named alista |
| 00:09.57 | alvanson | stupid question: is there the equivalent of an rc.local in debian where I can just dump some commands to run at boot? |
| 00:10.11 | graeme | i'm having trouble with mysqld, it' won't start and i can't figure out why. |
| 00:10.19 | alistair | eigenlambda: muhaha |
| 00:10.29 | graeme | the syslog tells me that /var.log/mysql/mysql.bin.1 isn't found |
| 00:10.36 | graeme | do i have to create such a file? |
| 00:10.37 | eutopia | alvanson: no such thing as a stupid question! The only "stupid" question is the unasked one :) |
| 00:10.43 | zOap | alistair, ok, ctrl alt backspace till you get the cli. then do the commands |
| 00:10.49 | alvanson | eigenlambda and alindeman: watch it you two :P |
| 00:10.54 | jdhutchin1 | eutopia, yes, there is such thing as a stupid question |
| 00:10.57 | alvanson | oops sorry alindeman, typo |
| 00:10.58 | alistair | ah, after this update.. |
| 00:11.05 | alistair | also c + a + backspace doesnt work |
| 00:11.05 | alvanson | eigenlambda and alistair: watch it you two :P |
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| 00:11.15 | alistair | i have to use a different command, i cant remember what it was |
| 00:11.18 | alistair | alvanson: ¬_¬ |
| 00:11.32 | alistair | z0ap, i'll speak to you once im on the CLI ok? |
| 00:11.36 | alvanson | jdhutchin1, like for example "where can I download the internets?" |
| 00:11.48 | zOap | alistair, um, I dunno what you done with your system, but it sounds really weird:) |
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| 00:12.07 | maher | jdhutchin1: does linux run on redhat? |
| 00:12.25 | zOap | alistair, well, I'm going to bed now, 4 am here, I'm drunk, need sleep:) maybe someone else can help you? |
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| 00:12.34 | alistair | ah z0ap |
| 00:12.34 | alvanson | jdhutchin1, all the other distros are using linux 10, why is debian only using linux 3? |
| 00:12.38 | alistair | what commands shall i run? |
| 00:12.59 | maher | alistair: my favourite command is cd ~ |
| 00:12.59 | alvanson | alistair, what's the difficulty, perhaps I can help you in z0ap's absence |
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| 00:13.11 | alistair | ok here it goes alvanson |
| 00:13.15 | alvanson | maher, but you can shorten that command to 'cd' |
| 00:13.17 | alistair | i ran apt-get upgrade in the CLI |
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| 00:13.28 | zOap | alistair, well, in cli, depending on what editor: vi or vim /etc/apt/sources.list. su offcourse.. |
| 00:13.29 | alvanson | alistair, sid or etch? |
| 00:13.38 | alistair | and now in KDE, i can only see the show desktop and k icon, also in the k menu |
| 00:13.44 | maher | alvanson: umm.... yes |
| 00:13.58 | alvanson | maher, :P just playing along... I'll stop now |
| 00:14.05 | alistair | also, i cannot open files, such as sources.list |
| 00:14.07 | zOap | alistair, but if you're doing an upgrade, if you have testing or unstable in sources you may be fucked allready |
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| 00:14.19 | alistair | well |
| 00:14.20 | iratsu | Can anyone help me fix my X problem that doesn't generate errors? =\ |
| 00:14.25 | alistair | im doing dist-upgrade now |
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| 00:14.29 | alistair | what happens if im "fucked" |
| 00:14.30 | alvanson | alistair, not open files as in using ANY program (be it emacs or vi) |
| 00:15.04 | zOap | alistair, ok, alvanson may help you. I'm waaaaay to influenced by alcohol. sorry:) |
| 00:15.17 | alistair | hah, enjoy yourself z0ap |
| 00:15.22 | alistair | ok go on alvanson |
| 00:15.30 | zOap | yeah, night all:) |
| 00:15.48 | alistair | night |
| 00:15.50 | alistair | ok alvanson |
| 00:15.50 | alvanson | alistair, you're running a dist-upgrade right now too? |
| 00:15.55 | alistair | i am right now |
| 00:15.58 | alistair | in an attempt to fix it |
| 00:16.02 | alvanson | okay |
| 00:16.06 | alistair | i ran apt-get -f install, i rebooted but that didn't work either |
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| 00:16.28 | alistair | about 2 minutes untill this is finished |
| 00:16.35 | deadcat | !tell alistair about enter |
| 00:16.40 | alistair | i cant reach volume control >_> |
| 00:16.44 | deadcat | alistair: unstable? |
| 00:17.02 | alvanson | alistair, okay, we'll wait for that to finish |
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| 00:17.08 | alistair | yes but i got it from a relible source, lets just wait for this to finish |
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| 00:17.19 | alistair | 120kbps, yey =) |
| 00:17.32 | alistair | alvanson, |
| 00:17.35 | deadcat | alistair: any reliable source is still unstable... that should teach you a lesson |
| 00:17.47 | alistair | i'll reboot after this installation, and get back to you if it still isn't sorted |
| 00:17.53 | alvanson | deadcat, shouldn't be that fubared though :S |
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| 00:18.24 | alistair | ok alvanson? |
| 00:18.27 | deadcat | alvanson: no. unstable is unpredictable.. you should know that (= |
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| 00:18.29 | alvanson | alistair, yeah |
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| 00:18.43 | SJr | I have a printer that is setup with CUPS, i can print to it fine but all my windows versions say Access Denied when I try and view the printer queue and stuff, how do I fix that? |
| 00:18.52 | alvanson | deadcat, true, I have had my share of breakages with unstable (which is why I'm on sarge now), but this sounds way beyond the realm of normal breakages |
| 00:18.54 | SJr | this is with samba |
| 00:19.06 | alvanson | SJr: can you still print to them? |
| 00:19.21 | SJr | yes |
| 00:19.32 | eutopia | SJr: hello |
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| 00:19.42 | SJr | hello eutopia do I know you? |
| 00:19.46 | iratsu | What should I do if I get the following error in my command line when i run startx: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.? |
| 00:19.54 | eutopia | SJr: no, just saying hi |
| 00:19.55 | alvanson | SJr: just curious, I have the same problem and no idea how to fix it either :@ (sorry) |
| 00:19.57 | graeme | http://hashmysql.org/paste/viewentry.php?id=616 this dude here had exactly my problem |
| 00:20.20 | graeme | iratsu: did you change anything recently? |
| 00:20.33 | iratsu | graeme: i dist-upgrade'd |
| 00:20.47 | graeme | yah.. |
| 00:21.11 | SimonRaven | alistair: why reboot? installed a kernel and want to boot to it? machine locked up? |
| 00:21.20 | graeme | so you're now running x.org for the first time? |
| 00:21.37 | iratsu | graeme: no, i was running xorg before too |
| 00:21.44 | iratsu | graeme: ...iirc |
| 00:21.44 | zOap | !reboot |
| 00:21.44 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 00:22.01 | SimonRaven | !qotd2 |
| 00:22.01 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 00:22.07 | alistair | meh |
| 00:22.11 | alistair | ok |
| 00:22.24 | graeme | iratsu: so you can't even start x? |
| 00:22.27 | alistair | its like, removing kfilename in the process :] |
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| 00:22.43 | iratsu | graeme: right |
| 00:22.58 | iratsu | graeme: when i run startx or gdm, i just get a black screen |
| 00:23.18 | iratsu | graeme: i have to do ctrl-alt-f1 to get back here |
| 00:23.35 | graeme | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:23.37 | iratsu | graeme: and when i run gdm, it get an error dialog after waiting for a while |
| 00:23.40 | alistair | its unpacking and replacing, i have a feeling it might work |
| 00:23.44 | j30 | what should i do so that everytime i insert a cd it's automounted |
| 00:23.45 | iratsu | graeme: yea i tried that |
| 00:23.47 | alistair | alvarm still here? |
| 00:23.49 | j30 | ? |
| 00:24.02 | alistair | alvalson |
| 00:24.03 | alvanson | alistair, I am, but spell my name correctly :P |
| 00:24.03 | alistair | :D |
| 00:24.08 | alistair | sorry :s |
| 00:24.24 | SimonRaven | automount, pmount.... and you don't mount audio cds anyway |
| 00:25.18 | graeme | iratsu: can you revert your config files? |
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| 00:27.03 | iratsu | graeme: hmm how would i do that? |
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| 00:28.21 | shay | how do I know with wich version of GCC was a kernel compiled? |
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| 00:28.24 | alvanson | alistair, how are things? |
| 00:28.27 | graeme | iratsu: in /etc/X11 |
| 00:28.30 | shay | or any binary, for example |
| 00:28.30 | deadcat | shay: cat /proc/version |
| 00:29.48 | shay | deadcat, ! |
| 00:29.48 | shay | man |
| 00:29.51 | shay | what's up? |
| 00:30.03 | deadcat | shay: nothing much man. school time (= |
| 00:30.16 | iratsu | graeme: i'll try the oldest i have |
| 00:30.41 | iratsu | graeme: i get the same result |
| 00:32.18 | graeme | iratsu: then you have reached the end of my usefulness |
| 00:32.30 | graeme | iratsu: whenever i break something it's usually that file. |
| 00:32.36 | iratsu | graeme: ah |
| 00:32.42 | alistair | \ok i installed |
| 00:32.43 | iratsu | graeme: ok, thanks for your help |
| 00:32.44 | alistair | no changes |
| 00:32.49 | alistair | alvanson |
| 00:32.54 | alistair | what shall i do? :) |
| 00:33.19 | graeme | iratsu: no prob, you know anything about mysql |
| 00:33.26 | graeme | ? |
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| 00:33.36 | alvanson | alistair, it's not letting you open any files to edit? |
| 00:33.41 | alistair | it isnt |
| 00:33.46 | iratsu | graeme: sorry, no |
| 00:33.48 | alistair | i tried to download a teamspeak linux client and i got an error |
| 00:34.22 | Daffy-PKF | what should i write in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0 if it is the one connected to my modem? the connection create a ppp0 interface |
| 00:34.36 | alistair | alvanson, do you have msn messenger? |
| 00:34.52 | alistair | well.. gaim with an msn account |
| 00:34.57 | alistair | yeah can we chat |
| 00:35.05 | alistair | so i can send a screenshot.. or wait, i dont have that button |
| 00:35.06 | alistair | thanks |
| 00:36.10 | alistair | cool |
| 00:36.16 | alistair | says my buddy list is full when its not |
| 00:36.17 | alistair | got aim? |
| 00:36.20 | iratsu | so does anyone know what I should do if I can't get X started and don't get any error in my log file? |
| 00:36.22 | deadcat | !enter |
| 00:36.22 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 00:36.51 | alistair | damn |
| 00:36.55 | alistair | what can i do to fix this? .. |
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| 00:37.37 | liable | Daffy-PKF: how do you connect? |
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| 00:38.00 | liable | Daffy-PKF: /usr/share/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 00:38.15 | alistair | dang >_> |
| 00:38.33 | Concord_Dawn | Hey everyone! I use Ubuntu, but no one can help me with a particular package, which is also available on debian, so I thought I might try here. I'm wondering if anyone can help me with the jailer package. |
| 00:38.41 | Daffy-PKF | liable, ppp, i used pppoeconf to setup the connection, asked it to connect at startup |
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| 00:38.59 | liable | Daffy-PKF: it didnt add something for you? |
| 00:39.07 | alistair | alvanson |
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| 00:39.08 | shingouz | Concord_Dawn: if ubuntu screws up, askn in #ubuntu or install debian and ask here |
| 00:39.08 | alistair | what can i do |
| 00:39.32 | Concord_Dawn | shingouz, Ubuntu didn't screw up, I'd like some help with that package. It's available on debian, so I thought someone here might be able to help. |
| 00:39.39 | alistair | i cant open tar.bz either |
| 00:39.47 | alistair | install again? |
| 00:39.51 | gimbal | anyone knows a way to keep postinst scripts from installing things in /etc/rc?.d/ directories? |
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| 00:40.01 | Daffy-PKF | liable, it did, but assigned it address 192.168.0.1, wich i want on eth1, so i removed it and put "iface eth0 inet ppp" |
| 00:40.02 | ofer0 | what is the difference between "stable" program and "unstable" program? |
| 00:40.14 | alvanson | alistair, no, redescribe the problem all in one shot |
| 00:40.20 | alistair | ah ok good good |
| 00:40.23 | alistair | i ran apt-get upgrade |
| 00:40.25 | gimbal | getting tired of having to manually rm the /etc/rc?.d/S* links for some pkgs, after upgrades. trying to keep some things around for testing, but not needing it to be started on each system-boot |
| 00:40.28 | shingouz | Concord_Dawn: ubuntu is not debian and we can only give you debian answers. if the answer is wrong and it screws up your ubuntu.. welll.. tough. if you want support here, isntall debian |
| 00:40.29 | alistair | it took about 30 minutes |
| 00:40.34 | b3nd3r | YAY |
| 00:40.39 | alistair | then when it rebooted, i can only see small bits of KDE |
| 00:40.44 | alistair | and i cant open files anymore.. |
| 00:40.53 | alvanson | what does it say when you try to open files? |
| 00:40.56 | shingouz | alistair: please stop hitting the fucking enter that often! |
| 00:41.01 | liable | gimbal: try sysvconfig, dunno if it stays set after a upgrade though |
| 00:41.05 | ofer0 | liable, heh :) |
| 00:41.11 | Concord_Dawn | shingouz, well, at least you were half decent about it. |
| 00:41.14 | Concord_Dawn | goodbye. |
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| 00:41.23 | ofer0 | what is the difference between "stable" program and "unstable" program? |
| 00:41.27 | shingouz | half decent? me? i am losing my touch |
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| 00:41.35 | ke6isf | ofer0: Exactly what it says on the tin. |
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| 00:41.43 | alistair | alvanson, it just says, choose what you want to open this program with |
| 00:41.46 | alvanson | shingouz, you made up for it with the enter comment |
| 00:41.49 | Daffy-PKF | liable, i don't have /usr/share/ifupdown/example... |
| 00:41.56 | shingouz | ofer0: if you have to ask, do not run unstable or your system will get screwed |
| 00:42.01 | alvanson | alistair, can you open files on the CLI? |
| 00:42.02 | ke6isf | !tell alistair -about enter |
| 00:42.05 | liable | Daffy-PKF: sorry /usr/share/doc... |
| 00:42.10 | shingouz | alvanson: thank you /me bows |
| 00:42.11 | ofer0 | ke6isf, but "unstable" program can be pretty stable in the real world.. i mean, what is this status means ? |
| 00:42.23 | ke6isf | !iyhtays ofer0 |
| 00:42.24 | dpkg | ofer0: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 00:42.30 | chealer | ofer0: why do you want to know? |
| 00:42.31 | Daffy-PKF | liable, ok |
| 00:42.35 | chealer | !tell ofer0 about releases |
| 00:42.46 | alistair | let me check |
| 00:42.54 | ke6isf | ofer0: "Unstable" means exactly that. It has not been put through the quality control systems, and will probably crash. |
| 00:42.58 | alistair | no i cant |
| 00:43.06 | shingouz | ofer0: it means: sid breaks systems. unless you know how to fix the breakage, do not install sid (=unstable) if you do install sid and it kills your system, you will be laughed at |
| 00:43.10 | alvanson | alistair, with what program and what does it tell you? |
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| 00:43.29 | two|face | hey I'm porting a program I wrote on fedora over to debian, I included openssl/md5.h - now if I install openssl from source will it come with development files? |
| 00:43.38 | alistair | you have to click a browse button and choose what to open it with |
| 00:43.45 | ofer0 | when installing from netinst, can i choose unstable programs? |
| 00:44.02 | ke6isf | !iyhtays ofer0 |
| 00:44.03 | dpkg | ofer0: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 00:44.17 | ofer0 | ke6isf, thats not funny, and not very helpful |
| 00:44.18 | shingouz | two|face: search for the -dev packages too, i am not sure which parts you will need but the -dev pagkages should have all that you need |
| 00:44.28 | alvanson | alistair, do you have any configurations you want to keep for KDE? |
| 00:44.30 | two|face | ok |
| 00:44.36 | ke6isf | ofer0: OK, then, tell me this, why do you want anything from unstable? |
| 00:44.38 | alistair | not as sutch |
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| 00:44.41 | alistair | such* |
| 00:44.47 | two|face | can I just install the -dev packages instead of the whole thing |
| 00:44.51 | shingouz | ofer0: that is the only help you will get. trying to support newbies on sid is not worth the effort really |
| 00:44.56 | alvanson | alistair, get out of KDE and into a CLI-only interface (like the console) |
| 00:44.56 | two|face | also I couldn't find mysql-dev using apt-search do you know anything about that? |
| 00:45.13 | alistair | ok |
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| 00:45.17 | alistair | whats the command to kill x server |
| 00:45.17 | ofer0 | ke6isf, i installed tools from that list in netinst, and i want to make sure that i wasnt installing unstable programs. |
| 00:45.19 | shingouz | two|face: you can try. apt will scream at you if it is not possible |
| 00:45.19 | two|face | I found the client server and common for 4.1 fine but not the -dev |
| 00:45.26 | alvanson | alistair, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace |
| 00:45.27 | acid-trip | can some one direct me on how to install a nameserv for my own box for my own host |
| 00:45.28 | alistair | its a command i ran a while ago |
| 00:45.31 | alvanson | I believe |
| 00:45.31 | alistair | no that one doesn't work |
| 00:45.33 | alistair | its a different command |
| 00:45.37 | two|face | ok so not all files make it into apt-cache? |
| 00:45.39 | alvanson | I always do C-A-Shift-BS |
| 00:45.39 | ke6isf | ofer0: Ah, OK, that makes sense. If you're running the Sarge netinst, then, you shouldn't be pulling in unstable packages,. |
| 00:45.41 | alistair | something -x something |
| 00:45.42 | gimbal | liable: thanks; heh, for what it's worth, I've heard that rhat has something about like sysvconfig - can't recall the name of it |
| 00:45.50 | acid-trip | alexscott isn't it killall xdm? |
| 00:45.54 | acid-trip | err |
| 00:45.54 | shingouz | two|face: do you have the src entries on sources.list? |
| 00:45.56 | acid-trip | alistair |
| 00:45.59 | ke6isf | ofer0: Unless, of course, somebody at mirror control mingled the packages - which is very unlikely. |
| 00:46.09 | alexscott | ;) |
| 00:46.11 | alistair | when i do that xserver just resarts itself |
| 00:46.17 | ofer0 | ke6isf, thank you :) |
| 00:46.21 | acid-trip | ctrl+alt backspace :D |
| 00:46.22 | shingouz | !tell alistair about nodem |
| 00:46.22 | alvanson | alistair, oh right, xdm or something |
| 00:46.24 | liable | gimbal: yeah, theres a few of them programs, apt-cache search sysv |
| 00:46.26 | shingouz | !tell alistair about nodm |
| 00:46.27 | alistair | that doesnt work :D |
| 00:46.39 | acid-trip | thats ok |
| 00:46.43 | acid-trip | i got my own probs right now |
| 00:46.45 | acid-trip | i have a host name |
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| 00:46.50 | alistair | alvanson |
| 00:46.53 | two|face | shingouz: not sure, I just made the switch to debian so I have to get oriented, do you mean like a mirrors list? or source code |
| 00:46.56 | alistair | i cant remember the command for it!! damnit |
| 00:46.58 | shingouz | alistair: trust me, it will work. remove the ?dm and you will not have an automagically starting X on the box |
| 00:47.05 | acid-trip | but the box thats hosting my ns's is down |
| 00:47.06 | alvanson | alistair, /etc/init.d/kdm stop maybe |
| 00:47.07 | ke6isf | acid-trip: host name? Sounds like a personal problem. =^^= |
| 00:47.08 | alistair | its not |
| 00:47.08 | acid-trip | and has been for a few |
| 00:47.11 | alvanson | (no maybe) |
| 00:47.15 | shingouz | two|face: man sources.list |
| 00:47.15 | alistair | it just goes to GUi login interface |
| 00:47.19 | liable | /etc/init.d/?dm stop... |
| 00:47.21 | two|face | ok |
| 00:47.30 | acid-trip | ke6isf i want to install and configure a ns to do my own dns hosting |
| 00:47.35 | shingouz | two|face: the file that tells apt where to look for the repositories |
| 00:47.45 | ke6isf | acid-trip: OK, install bind. |
| 00:47.52 | alistair | alvanson |
| 00:47.52 | alvanson | alistair, try each of the following "/etc/init.d/kdm stop" "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" "/etc/init.d/xdm stop" |
| 00:47.54 | Warp4 | acid-trip, install bind |
| 00:47.59 | alistair | add me to msn konami@dxalpha.com |
| 00:48.06 | alistair | we can talk better ok? |
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| 00:48.27 | gimbal | djbdns' dnscache might even suffice |
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| 00:48.34 | alistair | ah it says, kde.desktop is not installed on this machine on the logon |
| 00:48.36 | _shad | I have an old laptop that will not boot an isolinux cd. Is there a way I can boot from floppy, then make it read the CD? |
| 00:48.44 | Guerin | djbware bad |
| 00:48.50 | gimbal | Guerin: eh? |
| 00:48.53 | acid-trip | Warp4 now what |
| 00:48.54 | ke6isf | gimbal: for full service dns? A cache? =O.o= |
| 00:48.57 | alvanson | alistair, something sounds really fubared... I added you |
| 00:48.58 | acid-trip | it's installed and configured |
| 00:49.02 | Guerin | gimbal: you can read. |
| 00:49.11 | gimbal | Guerin: wow; good guess |
| 00:49.13 | shingouz | _shad: yes. look for the floppy images on the cd, dd them on floppies and use them |
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| 00:49.32 | MegaByte | Does anyone remember of playmidi? |
| 00:49.46 | ofer0 | how do i know if a program in stable or not? and how do i know when the program will become stable? |
| 00:49.51 | shingouz | MegaByte: do not poll, just ask your question |
| 00:49.58 | ofer0 | in=is |
| 00:50.02 | MegaByte | shingouz, that's not really a question |
| 00:50.04 | alistair | speak to me on msn, i cant because it says my contact list is full but it will work |
| 00:50.07 | _shad | shingouz: thx |
| 00:50.10 | alistair | alvanson ^^ |
| 00:50.11 | shingouz | ofer0: just let your sources.list point to stable and you are fine |
| 00:50.11 | MegaByte | shingouz, I'm here to say I brought it back to life |
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| 00:50.21 | ke6isf | ofer0: If you're running Sarge, if you apt-get install $aprogram, it's stable. If you build it by hand, it might work. |
| 00:50.23 | shingouz | MegaByte: nice |
| 00:50.27 | MegaByte | And I have slack, deb and fedora packages |
| 00:50.33 | Guerin | ofer0: if it's not in stable now, it won't be in stable until the next stable is released. |
| 00:50.38 | ke6isf | ofer0: If you pull from 'unstable' in your sources, it's not stable and you're likely to hose your install. |
| 00:50.50 | shingouz | ofer0: try not to build by hand, let apt take care of it at the moment |
| 00:50.50 | Guerin | ofer0: that's a while away - at least 6-12 months |
| 00:50.54 | MegaByte | shingouz, do you have a live! card? |
| 00:50.57 | alistair | alvanson, just open up a convo with me |
| 00:51.03 | shingouz | MegaByte: no. should i have |
| 00:51.04 | Guerin | more cynical folks would say at least 18-24 months |
| 00:51.05 | MegaByte | shingouz, or a creative, audigy, whatever |
| 00:51.12 | ofer0 | OK thank you all! |
| 00:51.14 | shingouz | MegaByte: no, none of those either |
| 00:51.16 | MegaByte | shingouz, too bad :( |
| 00:51.18 | iratsu | is it normal that each time i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, the defaults seem to reset to some predefined values instead of those I set before? |
| 00:51.20 | ke6isf | How stable is testing these days? |
| 00:51.26 | ofer0 | marillant is a stable source ? |
| 00:51.36 | shingouz | ke6isf: useable |
| 00:51.41 | shingouz | ofer0: yes |
| 00:51.53 | shingouz | !tell ofer0 about marillat |
| 00:51.56 | ofer0 | shingouz, ok :) |
| 00:52.04 | ke6isf | shingouz: How close to "production" quality? |
| 00:52.04 | acid-trip | !tell acid-trip about bind |
| 00:52.15 | alistair | everything is fine on gaim alvanson |
| 00:52.21 | shingouz | ke6isf: i would not use etch for production |
| 00:52.22 | alistair | not gaim.. gnome* |
| 00:52.36 | ke6isf | shingouz: Indeed. Insight appreciated. |
| 00:52.40 | ke6isf | !shingouz++ |
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| 00:52.49 | shingouz | yay, karma |
| 00:52.53 | iratsu | !tell iratsu about marillat |
| 00:52.58 | iaido | recompiled kernel & upon reboot it doesn't accept the new kernel |
| 00:53.03 | ke6isf | *sigh |
| 00:53.05 | iaido | just reboots again. had to have grub select the old kernel |
| 00:53.06 | ke6isf | !marillat |
| 00:53.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
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| 00:53.51 | alvanson | alistair, try this: 'mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.broken' |
| 00:53.57 | alvanson | alistair, then try KDE again |
| 00:54.10 | iaido | if you're running debian kernel 2.4.27 and you download 2.4.31 from kernel.org; should it work ? |
| 00:54.18 | alistair | where abouts?? |
| 00:54.20 | iaido | or do you have to upgrade userland etc too ? |
| 00:54.22 | alistair | in terminal? |
| 00:55.04 | alvanson | alistair, correct |
| 00:55.11 | johey | when i try to start cfdisk on two of my harddrives, it segfaults. the harddrives are 200 and 300 gig. |
| 00:55.18 | johey | why is that? |
| 00:55.30 | shingouz | iaido: just apt-get a kernel-image from debian and be done with it unless you have some really exotic hardware you need to have supported |
| 00:55.35 | ofer0 | i installed new kernel but when i write "uname -r" the kernel wont change, even after a restart. somebody told me to choose the new kernel in menu.lst but i dont know exactly what he means. can you help? |
| 00:56.00 | chealer | iaido: what do you mean by "accept the new kernel"? |
| 00:56.02 | iaido | shingouz not sure it's exotic hardware, it's a VIA cpu |
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| 00:56.03 | alistair | alvanson.. having keyboard trouble, getting ~ :/ |
| 00:56.08 | alistair | ok hold on |
| 00:56.16 | iaido | chealer, I need to recompile the kernel with bridge-nf support |
| 00:56.22 | alvanson | alistair, okay, then 'cd; mv .kde .kde.broken' |
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| 00:56.28 | iaido | tried it with 2.4.27 but the patch gives errors |
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| 00:56.44 | gimbal | does !<user>++ afffect anything in the service-end here? |
| 00:56.46 | iaido | tried apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.31 and it didn't find it |
| 00:56.47 | bufalo73 | hello |
| 00:56.54 | gimbal | hadn't been aware of that command-looking thing heh |
| 00:56.57 | chealer | iaido: where did you take that patch |
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| 00:57.01 | bufalo73 | I have a problem : "Inconsistency detected by ld.so" |
| 00:57.11 | iaido | downloaded 2.4.31 from kernel.org and applied ebtables (bridge packet filtering patch) for 2.4.31 and it applied without error |
| 00:57.11 | bufalo73 | does anybody know how to fix it? |
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| 00:57.17 | alistair | alvanson |
| 00:57.21 | chealer | iaido: the latest 2.4 kernel packaged for debian is 2.4.27 |
| 00:57.22 | iaido | make-kpkg kernel_image built successfully |
| 00:57.23 | alistair | give me the commands in order so i can write them down |
| 00:57.46 | iaido | It doesn't matter to me which kernel I use, it just needs to be reliable and have the bridging patch |
| 00:57.47 | alvanson | alistair, command #1: 'cd', command #2: 'mv .kde .kde.broken' |
| 00:57.54 | mrgenixus | exit |
| 00:58.06 | iaido | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=39571 |
| 00:58.20 | alistair | ok hold on |
| 00:59.15 | alistair | ok |
| 00:59.19 | alistair | alvanson, it went onto a new line |
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| 00:59.26 | iaido | apparently debian kernel 2.4.27 has a bug that causes it to fail when applying ebtables patch |
| 00:59.53 | shingouz | iaido: mostly it is very hard or impossible to patch the debian sources |
| 00:59.58 | alistair | ahh |
| 01:00.04 | alvanson | alistair, now restart KDE |
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| 01:00.10 | alistair | cannot stat no such file or directory |
| 01:00.20 | alvanson | alistair, where are you typing this? |
| 01:00.26 | alistair | terminal in gnome |
| 01:00.26 | iaido | shingouz, would it be possible to try 2.4.26 with the .26 patch instead? |
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| 01:00.38 | shingouz | iaido: why not |
| 01:00.38 | alistair | shall i type it in a ttyX? |
| 01:00.50 | gimbal | alistair: not sure if you'd have time for it, and not to distrct you, but this might be of help for getting familiar with the commands of the shell & furthermore : http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition (also referenced at http://www.governmentsecurity.org/archive/t843.html - that is funny) |
| 01:00.53 | iaido | I patched 2.4.31 from kernel.org and it patched just fine, grub installed it just fine, but it reboots instead of loading |
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| 01:01.03 | chealer | iaido: is there a reaon you don't want to run a 2.6 kernel? |
| 01:01.18 | iaido | no. nothing against 2.6, I don't see 2.6 patch for ebtables though |
| 01:01.21 | iaido | is bridge filtering built into 2.6 ? |
| 01:01.25 | alvanson | alistair, that's not going to make a difference... when does it say the 'cannot stat' bit? after 'cd' or after the 'mv' command? |
| 01:01.26 | shingouz | iaido: did you use initrd? |
| 01:01.32 | chealer | iaido: according to where you sent me |
| 01:01.39 | iaido | shingouz I used dpkg -i *.deb |
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| 01:01.52 | alistair | mv command |
| 01:01.58 | iaido | chealer I'm down for using 2.6 if it's reliable |
| 01:01.59 | alistair | for cd, i just type cd and enter |
| 01:02.12 | iaido | which 2.6 ver would you recommend for debian ? |
| 01:02.13 | shingouz | iaido: when you did the package, did you tell make-kpkg to make the initrd? |
| 01:02.20 | alistair | cannot stat .kde |
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| 01:02.41 | iaido | iaido I don't believe so. I did make-kpkg kernel_image, then I did dpk -i thefilename.deb |
| 01:02.49 | iaido | it auto inserted it into grub, copied to /boot etc |
| 01:02.55 | iaido | nothing about initrd as I recall |
| 01:03.29 | shingouz | iaido: and do you have all the necessary drivers to access your root fs statically in the kernel as you do not have initrd? |
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| 01:04.09 | iaido | shignouz as I look in /boot there's an initrd for 2.4.27-2-386 but there's no initrd.img for 2.4.31; should I have done that? |
| 01:04.23 | iaido | saw no mention of initrd in the kernel-package docs directing how to use make-kpkg/dpkg etc |
| 01:04.42 | alistair | ah! Alvan!!! |
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| 01:04.51 | alvanson | alistair, something's really screwy |
| 01:04.57 | alistair | i typed, apt-get install kde, im getting E: Broken Packages, above it the package names |
| 01:05.02 | shingouz | iaido: possibly. you either have to have an initrd or the static drivers (no modules) for everything you need to access your root filesystem or the thing will not boot |
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| 01:05.11 | two|face | so if I want to fetch source files, like the ones contained in mysql-dev do I need to add an entry to sources.list that retrieves 'unstable' packages? |
| 01:05.17 | alvanson | alistair, AHA, that's going to be your problem. remove ALL the KDE packages |
| 01:05.22 | shingouz | iaido: the easiest way is to just get a 2.6 off debian and run with it |
| 01:05.37 | alvanson | alistair, then reinstall them. that will unbreak those packages (easiest way I can think of) and unbreak your install |
| 01:05.41 | iaido | apt-get install kernel-2.6.something or other? |
| 01:05.41 | alistair | how can i do that? |
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| 01:05.48 | shingouz | two|face: NO! src, unstable is something totally different |
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| 01:05.59 | woodland | hi, i ust installed kde, but i dont like the games, how do i remove all kde games |
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| 01:06.28 | shingouz | woodland: just like you remove anything else on debian, apt-get remove pagkace |
| 01:06.36 | K9-Cop | Whats the best way to disable proccesses (like sendmail portmap) in kde 3.3? |
| 01:06.42 | shingouz | damn, i typo. package, that is |
| 01:06.47 | alistair | alvanson |
| 01:06.49 | gimbal | woodland: to find the packages to remove, one approach would be to look through aptitutde or dselect, in the window, under the games sections, then delete those packages that you don't want |
| 01:06.49 | alistair | how do i remove them? |
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| 01:07.03 | maher | K9-Cop: update-rc.d or remove them - you probably want an mta for local delivery tho |
| 01:07.06 | alvanson | alistair, give me the output to 'apt-get check' in #flood |
| 01:07.14 | alistair | wait |
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| 01:07.22 | woodland | is name of the game same as the name of the package |
| 01:07.32 | orkid | hi. i did a fresh deb3.1 install, and with a 2.4 kernel my nic works, with a 2.6 it doesn't. it's a sfe530tx card, using via-rhine. |
| 01:07.32 | Toad | for what package should I file a bug that syslog() isn't properly reentrant? |
| 01:07.34 | orkid | any idea? |
| 01:07.39 | K9-Cop | maher: an mta for local delivery of what? |
| 01:07.43 | maher | woodland: use dpkg -S path/to/game to find out |
| 01:07.50 | woodland | ok |
| 01:08.03 | maher | K9-Cop: email - you probably want to cron to email its errors to you |
| 01:08.17 | shingouz | orkid: is the module inserted when you run 2.6? |
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| 01:08.38 | gimbal | Toad: sounds like that would have to go to the upstream maintainers about it; I'm not sure if that would be a matter singularly of kernel-space, but it might be - maybe one of the linux kernel lists might be fit for it |
| 01:08.53 | gimbal | one of, or the - presuming there's one; it gets a *lot* of traffic, but it's around heh |
| 01:09.10 | Toad | hrmm |
| 01:09.13 | gimbal | Toad: finding wherever the big #kernelnewbies channel is, then bringing it up there, might be of any preliminary help |
| 01:09.35 | orkid | shingouz: it is. it seems like in 2.4 via-rhine uses mii and crc32 modules, but in 2.6 only mii, crc32 is not listed, and modprobe crc32 does not insert it (module ... not found) |
| 01:09.38 | Toad | yea, I'll try that tomorrow I guess |
| 01:09.47 | gimbal | iirc, #kernelnewbies was on pdpc freenode; then it wasn't; then I think they put some sort of connetor in or something |
| 01:09.47 | Toad | if anyone wants to confirm it's not just my system: http://cs.brown.edu/~tl/test.c |
| 01:09.48 | woodland | hi maher, i did use yur command to find about the game called KBounce, but it said no path found |
| 01:10.07 | shingouz | orkid: on 2.6, what does ifconfig -a tell you about the nic? |
| 01:10.08 | two|face | shingouz: ok so and I take it deb-src is a source file instead of sources.list? |
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| 01:10.17 | gimbal | #kernelnewbies the chautaqua about the kernel - been waiting to say that, heh |
| 01:10.20 | shingouz | two|face: correct |
| 01:10.38 | two|face | ok, so how can I specify to dl -dev packages :) |
| 01:11.06 | shingouz | two|face: man apt-get :p |
| 01:11.14 | two|face | heh ok |
| 01:11.26 | alvanson | alistair, lemme check give me a sec |
| 01:11.28 | two|face | well, by default shoudl it list -dev packages? |
| 01:11.36 | shingouz | two|face: of course "apt-cache search foo" helps too... |
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| 01:11.42 | two|face | I'll read man apt-get I promise :) |
| 01:11.51 | two|face | yeah I did that, it wasn't listed |
| 01:11.54 | SimonVallore | root@adsl-69-151-21-175:/usr/local/games # armyops |
| 01:11.54 | SimonVallore | Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual |
| 01:11.54 | SimonVallore | History: |
| 01:11.54 | SimonVallore | Exiting due to error |
| 01:11.54 | SimonVallore | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:11.58 | two|face | but the rest of the mysql packages wer, that I needed |
| 01:11.58 | shingouz | two|face: basically look for what you need with apt-cache and install with apt-get |
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| 01:12.17 | SimonVallore | Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual |
| 01:12.23 | SimonVallore | how do i fix that |
| 01:12.28 | two|face | yeah I couldn't find mysql-devel |
| 01:12.28 | woodland | anybody knows how do i manually remove kde games at the command prompt |
| 01:12.36 | orkid | shingouz: no, not at all. lspci does, but not ifconfig. i've been trying various things throughout the day, and 2.4 seems to work, but not a straight 2.6 install... is there a difference b/w the linux26 kernel (netinst cd) and the 2.6 kernel installed on the hard disk? |
| 01:12.49 | gimbal | Toad: I'm afraid I would not be able to make much of it; anyone in ##c might understand it more |
| 01:12.53 | SimonVallore | Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual |
| 01:12.55 | SimonVallore | how do i fix that |
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| 01:13.05 | chealer | !tell SimonVallore about repeat |
| 01:13.06 | alistair | gr |
| 01:13.22 | alvanson | alistair, try running 'apt-get -f install kde' |
| 01:13.28 | Toad | gimbal: perhaps, but I wanted to get someone on Debian testing to try it |
| 01:13.34 | gimbal | all of the theory of the software that we use, it would be great to learn about; I have not had the opportunity to, in much, however |
| 01:13.38 | shingouz | orkid: the 2.6... what is the version of it? if it is an install kernel, replace it with a real kernel |
| 01:13.42 | alistair | alvanson |
| 01:13.48 | alistair | KDE isnt on the session manager anymore, ok. |
| 01:13.52 | SimonVallore | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.08 | orkid | shingouz: 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 01:14.18 | alvanson | tell SimonVallore that there's no contract for us to help you |
| 01:14.24 | chealer | SimonVallore: do you have direct rendering working? |
| 01:14.29 | shingouz | orkid: it should be there... :/ |
| 01:14.30 | gimbal | Toad: ok; I can, though I'd been a might bit wary about it fuggling my system any - like, in whatever it would do after the -USR1 calls. I guess it wouldn't matter |
| 01:14.38 | alistair | ok |
| 01:14.43 | SimonVallore | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:14.45 | alistair | i tried -f install kde, it said broken packages |
| 01:14.51 | SimonVallore | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.52 | gimbal | Toad: getting it; will give it a go |
| 01:14.55 | Toad | thanks |
| 01:14.58 | alvanson | alistair, right, but you're still having trouble getting KDE to do stuff properly, but everything in gnome works properly? |
| 01:15.01 | chealer | !tell SimonVallore about noob |
| 01:15.01 | Toad | it just stops printing periods. doesn't hang the whole system, just that process |
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| 01:15.04 | gimbal | Toad: no problem |
| 01:15.23 | SimonVallore | Tell chealer to stfu |
| 01:15.32 | chealer | SimonVallore: does your video card support 3d acceleration in linux? |
| 01:15.40 | chealer | allright |
| 01:15.47 | alistair | yeah gnome is fine |
| 01:15.51 | SimonVallore | i dont know |
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| 01:15.58 | alistair | kde isn't even on the session manager anymore |
| 01:16.00 | SimonVallore | it was working until i came here for help |
| 01:16.02 | gimbal | Toad: yeah; after one -USR1 it stops, here |
| 01:16.13 | servus | chealer: How dare you try to help someone. |
| 01:16.23 | SimonVallore | then one of these fucking brain sergeons told me to do somthing and it didnt work again |
| 01:16.33 | gimbal | Toad: Using linux 2.6.11.8, gcc version somesuch (should be the most recent from sid) |
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| 01:16.51 | alistair | the following packages have unmet dependances <-- it says that |
| 01:16.51 | orkid | shingouz: well, i found crc32c (but it's the crypto module.. perhaps not what via-rhine needs... it's odd that via-rhine would be inserted at all without any prerequisite modules, so this somehow diminishes the plausability of my theory that i don't have enough modules loaded |
| 01:17.00 | Toad | thanks gimbal |
| 01:17.09 | gimbal | Toad: or two; last time, it stopped on one, I think; this time, it took too -USR1 |
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| 01:17.15 | gimbal | Toad: glad to be of help, heh |
| 01:17.16 | Toad | yea, depends if you catch it inside the call |
| 01:17.20 | Toad | on 2.4, it's fine forever |
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| 01:17.28 | shingouz | orkid: i am a bit out of my depth at the moment :( |
| 01:17.43 | SimonVallore | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.46 | iaido | shingouz, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386 ==> Couldn't find package |
| 01:17.52 | gimbal | Toad: curious; for what it's worth, I'd bring it up on the lkml, linux kernel mailing list, with no sweat heh |
| 01:17.57 | orkid | shingouz: alright, tx again. i'll go back at it. |
| 01:18.10 | alvanson | alistair, which packages? |
| 01:18.13 | iaido | man, shingouz should be getting $250/hour for all this debian support |
| 01:18.14 | alistair | hm |
| 01:18.21 | shingouz | iaido: first of all, what cpu do you have there? |
| 01:18.26 | alistair | kde-core |
| 01:18.27 | Xylron | Why cant my debian box refer to my windows boxen by hostname? (and vice versa). The windows boxen can refer to each other by hostname. The boxen are all on the same subnet, in fact are all on the same router, which is also the dhcp server? |
| 01:18.32 | alistair | kde-amusements |
| 01:18.35 | iaido | it's a VIA cpu, x86 compatible |
| 01:18.39 | alistair | kdeadmin |
| 01:18.40 | alistair | kdeaddons |
| 01:18.42 | alistair | quite a view |
| 01:18.44 | alistair | few* |
| 01:18.46 | shingouz | iaido: sure, you i accept visa, amex and a few others |
| 01:18.50 | alistair | kdegraphics |
| 01:18.51 | alistair | kdenetwork |
| 01:18.52 | alistair | :/ |
| 01:18.53 | alvanson | okay |
| 01:18.54 | Xylron | s/server?/server./ |
| 01:18.59 | alvanson | stop with the enter after everything! |
| 01:19.05 | alistair | sorry |
| 01:19.13 | iaido | haha, when I get this bridge filtering working perhaps I can afford it |
| 01:19.15 | Toad | gimbal: yea, I'll probably email them eventually |
| 01:19.16 | shingouz | iaido: i think it should be able to run 586, maybe 686 |
| 01:19.22 | Toad | I'm just afraid of the amnount of traffic on that list |
| 01:19.27 | iaido | okay |
| 01:19.40 | gimbal | Toad: alternately, the kernel has a bugzilla; I wasn't aware of this. http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/reporting-bugs.html [ list: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/ and yeah, it's a big-traffic list, heh ] |
| 01:19.48 | iaido | E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 01:19.51 | alvanson | alistair, have you used dselect or aptitude before? |
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| 01:19.58 | shingouz | iaido: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 | grep 586 |
| 01:20.00 | alistair | not alot, but i have seen it |
| 01:20.01 | Toad | interesting |
| 01:20.03 | alistair | installed packages, etc.. |
| 01:20.05 | Toad | not sure if its' a kernel bug or a libc bug though |
| 01:20.14 | Toad | or pthreads or what |
| 01:20.14 | iratsu | what's the difference between xserver-xfree86 and xserver-xorg? |
| 01:20.27 | gimbal | Toad: hm; I'd guess they'd know what to say of it. You could even mention that in the bug-report sort of thing |
| 01:20.36 | iaido | shingouz nothing comes up |
| 01:20.41 | Toad | hm ok i'll give it a whirl. thanks |
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| 01:21.09 | shingouz | iaido: try linux-image-2.6yadayadayada |
| 01:21.19 | gimbal | Toad: no problemo; honestly, it's good to see the free/open source q-a systems working, heh |
| 01:21.27 | iaido | still ntohing |
| 01:21.30 | Toad | yea. I do plenty of that, trust me :) |
| 01:21.36 | iaido | er nothing. |
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| 01:21.38 | alistair | i have an idea alvanson, i have opened sources.list in gnome, maybe you can give me some tips, like getting rid of the unstable lines? |
| 01:21.38 | alvanson | alistair, you are going to need to bring up one of those programs and try and get the dependancies straightened out. |
| 01:21.41 | Toad | I work for a CS dept, and we have like 320 boxes |
| 01:21.45 | Toad | so if there's any problems, we find them really quickly |
| 01:21.55 | alvanson | alistair, you've already at unstable right? |
| 01:22.01 | alistair | i dont know |
| 01:22.18 | shingouz | alvanson: did you tell him to move to unstable? |
| 01:22.19 | alvanson | alistair, you did an apt-get dist-upgrade after changing it? |
| 01:22.21 | gimbal | Toad: groove; I've honeslty only been on my own box, but debian's ole reportbug sure has been nice to have around, sometimes |
| 01:22.24 | alvanson | shingouz, no sir |
| 01:22.39 | shingouz | grep the sources.list |
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| 01:22.56 | alvanson | shingouz, I started helping about halfway through |
| 01:23.03 | SimonVallore | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.12 | shingouz | iaido: can you even find any kernel-images at 2.6? |
| 01:23.17 | ke6isf | SimonVallore: Define "worthless" |
| 01:23.18 | iaido | nope, none |
| 01:23.18 | alistair | the last major thing i did was apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:23.21 | iaido | it only shows 2.4 |
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| 01:23.37 | SimonVallore | assholes that dont wanna help you try to be polite they still dont |
| 01:23.38 | shingouz | iaido: strange. what version are you on? |
| 01:23.45 | iaido | sarge |
| 01:23.53 | iaido | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 01:23.57 | shingouz | SimonVallore: nice attitude from the beginning |
| 01:24.03 | iaido | downloaded the iso just yesterday. |
| 01:24.10 | iaido | 130m ISO version; net install |
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| 01:24.13 | sEcretx | hey i got a question. how can i see all the users in a box even if they are hidden.. i mean not showing in cd /home ; ls ......please help me |
| 01:24.15 | SimonVallore | i sit here for hours |
| 01:24.17 | alistair | ok, im in aptitude |
| 01:24.21 | ke6isf | SimonVallore: Well, since you asked like that... yeah, I'm feeling pretty fucking worthless today, thank you very much. |
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| 01:24.22 | SimonVallore | no o ne ever hjelps |
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| 01:24.30 | gimbal | SimonVallore: well, attitudes can rub, yeah |
| 01:24.45 | SimonVallore | i dont ever have an attitude this is the first time |
| 01:24.53 | chealer | iaido: would apt-setup help? |
| 01:24.55 | SimonVallore | because no one fucking helps |
| 01:24.59 | ke6isf | SimonVallore: First impressions and all that. |
| 01:25.04 | DoppelGanger | rubbing attitudes is not allowed now step away from the bunny he he |
| 01:25.05 | SimonVallore | 1 time i got help and it fucked my shit up worse |
| 01:25.17 | shingouz | iaido: or apt-get update, try looking for the image after the update |
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| 01:25.23 | iaido | chealer it's set to http |
| 01:25.30 | concept10 | is there a GUI for ghoto2? |
| 01:25.40 | deadcat | concept10: gtkam |
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| 01:25.55 | iaido | http, united stated, mirrors.kernel.org, no proxy |
| 01:25.58 | SimonVallore | fucking worthless |
| 01:25.58 | alistair | alvanson |
| 01:26.08 | chealer | iaido: I don't really care about that. what I meant is are you sure you have some debian repository? did you do a apt-get update? |
| 01:26.16 | SimonVallore | no o ne helps any one who does fucking makes it worse |
| 01:26.19 | iaido | trying an apt-get update. |
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| 01:26.22 | gimbal | SimonVallore: well, not to be paternal or what, but one of the deals with linux & such is that one might want to learn to work it out oneself, to understand what's going wrong, in order to resolve it |
| 01:26.37 | SimonVallore | ive read all i can find |
| 01:26.37 | sEcretx | how can i see all the users in a box even if they are hidden.. i mean not showing in cd /home ; ls ......please help me |
| 01:26.50 | ke6isf | SimonVallore: Well, look, since you showed up, all you've done is whine. Do you want help or are you going to spend the entire time here in the channel bitching and moaning? |
| 01:26.56 | gimbal | SimonVallore: well, whassup? I can't promise I'll know how to resolve it, but might know a word for it |
| 01:27.00 | SimonVallore | wikpedia bs is what got me fucked in the begining |
| 01:27.08 | gimbal | SimonVallore: hah |
| 01:27.15 | eutopia | hi |
| 01:27.17 | gimbal | humbly rofl |
| 01:27.23 | iratsu | when i dpkg-reconfigure something, is it supposed to remember the old values that i previously set? |
| 01:27.29 | alvanson | alistair, if you can't straighten out your dependancies, you may want to reinstall down to stable |
| 01:27.32 | shingouz | iratsu: yes |
| 01:27.41 | iratsu | shingouz: what does it mean if it doesn't? |
| 01:27.50 | alistair | which one is easier? |
| 01:27.51 | iaido | bingo. |
| 01:27.59 | SimonVallore | Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual |
| 01:28.04 | gimbal | I don't intend to try to make wikipedia sound bad, but I've made a policy of not relying upon it as a primary reference, for what it's worth; it's helpful for findign links, topically organized, aand some general overview - that much, with certainty |
| 01:28.04 | SimonVallore | how do i fix that |
| 01:28.12 | shingouz | iratsu: nothing usually, occasionally the packages do not show the previous values |
| 01:28.19 | chealer | iaido: what was it? |
| 01:28.22 | quittt | do you know a program that can find illegall mpeg headers in mp3 files? |
| 01:28.22 | gimbal | SimonVallore: "GLX visual" sounds like something like XFree86-speak |
| 01:28.23 | iratsu | shingouz: ah, ok |
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| 01:28.30 | chealer | iaido: oh, apt-get update... |
| 01:28.41 | SimonVallore | yeah but how do i fix it |
| 01:28.42 | gimbal | SimonVallore: I'd try making sure that you have your XFree86 & drivers & such set-up for GL support; Mesa might be something to look-up about |
| 01:28.51 | gimbal | GL = OpenGL, namely |
| 01:28.52 | sombra | how can I echo only the last two numbers in: 1945? |
| 01:28.58 | SimonVallore | how |
| 01:28.58 | iaido | needed to apt-get update |
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| 01:29.07 | SimonVallore | how do i set em up for that |
| 01:29.08 | iratsu | what's the difference between xserver-xfree86 and xserver-xorg? |
| 01:29.11 | bitshifty | is 8gb enough for a debian install + xwindow? |
| 01:29.13 | joe_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.13 | iaido | it found the 2.6 kernel, installing now. hopefully bridge filter works by default /w 2.6 |
| 01:29.21 | joe_ | bitshifty, yes |
| 01:29.21 | gimbal | gimbal: well, you could look around about Mesa, about OpenGL, and about what you think is emitting that error message |
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| 01:29.24 | eutopia | whats a good command to get clamav to check my hda1 ? |
| 01:29.28 | iaido | thanks for your help. |
| 01:29.29 | ke6isf | !tell iratsu -about xorg |
| 01:29.29 | shingouz | iaido: should work |
| 01:29.32 | bitshifty | and is 128mb ram good enough to handle xwindow relatively well? |
| 01:29.33 | gimbal | eh. SimonVallore: : well, you could look around about Mesa, about OpenGL, and about what you think is emitting that error message |
| 01:29.35 | ke6isf | !tell iratsu -about xfree86 |
| 01:29.40 | gimbal | heh, ehg |
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| 01:30.09 | priestess | Anyone know why kdelibs-bin is being "Kept back" even on "apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
| 01:30.10 | ke6isf | iratsu: xorg is, as I understand it, a fork of xfree. |
| 01:30.12 | gimbal | SimonVallore: ok. I saw in a log, it's a game that can't get the GL stuff set up, or somesuch |
| 01:30.15 | joe_ | bitshifty, not sure, what do you plan on running? |
| 01:30.24 | joe_ | bitshifty, for example. openoffice is pretty big |
| 01:30.31 | deadcat | priestess: because some packages doesnt meet the dependencies yet. |
| 01:30.38 | alistair | hold on |
| 01:30.42 | gimbal | SimonVallore: I'm guessing it's an SDL game. Maybe there are some docs around the web, about SDL and GLX, and/or SDL and OpenGL |
| 01:30.44 | alvanson | alistair, try the dependancies first, then reinstall |
| 01:30.56 | ke6isf | iratsu: I think it's supposed to have more features than xfree (or rather, has integrated those that otherwise exist as add-ons for xfree). I could be wrong though - see what I had dpkg tell you and use that for more information. |
| 01:30.56 | alvanson | alistair, unstable->stable means a total reinstall |
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| 01:31.02 | chealer | priestess: on which release? |
| 01:31.03 | bitshifty | joe_ firefox, xterm, thunderbird |
| 01:31.10 | bitshifty | maybe quake1 |
| 01:31.22 | priestess | Um. Latest, I guess. Not really sure, certainly unstable. |
| 01:31.23 | joe_ | bier, probably, i'm not familiar with quake |
| 01:31.25 | SimonVallore | again it worked before i installed some shit from here |
| 01:31.32 | crn | i can't get madwifi to work on 2.6.8 what is the diebian way of compiling the latest release? |
| 01:31.40 | crn | of madwifif |
| 01:31.54 | alvanson | alistair, actually preistess' question does provide some insight on the problem. If you just upgraded to unstable, you might be caught in a spot where not all of KDE's dependances CAN be satisfied |
| 01:32.05 | deadcat | priestess: if you're not sure. you SHOULDNT use unstable. at all |
| 01:32.07 | chealer | priestess: if you don't know which release you're running, you should figure it out |
| 01:32.10 | alvanson | alistair, because of the C++ lib upgrade going on in unstable. |
| 01:32.11 | alistair | what do you suggest i should do |
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| 01:32.18 | chealer | priestess: why do you guess unstable? |
| 01:32.24 | gimbal | SimonVallore: what-about did you install? |
| 01:32.26 | ke6isf | !tell crn -about madwifi-install |
| 01:32.28 | SimonVallore | SHOOOT ME |
| 01:32.34 | priestess | It was Sarge when I installed it, but I noticed it all went strange and renamed at the last release. |
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| 01:32.39 | ke6isf | !shoot SimonVallore |
| 01:32.40 | jkasdn | i am running a mix of testing and unstable. i just installed gnome 2.10, and the debian menu has disappeared from the applications menu. Is there a way to get it back, or is it just screwed up right now in gnome 2.10? |
| 01:32.40 | deadcat | !shoot SimonVallore |
| 01:32.42 | crn | ke6isf, i |
| 01:32.47 | alvanson | alistair, try the dependancies -- if that doesn't work, wait a few days and try another 'apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade', failing that reinstall back to stable |
| 01:32.49 | crn | ke6isf, i tnk |
| 01:32.56 | crn | ke6isf, i think i did that |
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| 01:33.00 | SimonVallore | apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx |
| 01:33.11 | SimonVallore | !shoot me |
| 01:33.30 | joe_ | so nobody is familiar with the intricacies of virtusertable? |
| 01:33.31 | alistair | how can i try the dependances |
| 01:33.31 | iaido | BAM! 2.6 babay. hurray |
| 01:33.34 | crn | ke6isf, it gives me a hal error although the card is detected |
| 01:33.38 | gimbal | SimonVallore: ahah; if it broke after that, then I'd guess: That may have replaced the drivers that you needed for your GL setup |
| 01:33.39 | EdLin | !shoot dpkg |
| 01:33.59 | priestess | So I guess kdelibs will just get upgraded when someone upgrades whatever it's dependent on then, yeah? |
| 01:34.00 | sward | ~shoot EdLin |
| 01:34.06 | chealer | priestess: how did you notice that? |
| 01:34.07 | sward | :( |
| 01:34.08 | ke6isf | crn: A hal error? |
| 01:34.10 | *** mode/#debian [+l 697] by debhelper |
| 01:34.20 | ke6isf | swales: wrong attn character. =^^= |
| 01:34.28 | alistair | instead of waiting a few more days, can i add a few more urls, i saw a website with urls for kde and people with that error |
| 01:34.29 | SimonVallore | i guess ill just format again |
| 01:34.33 | gimbal | SimonVallore: either that, or something more would need to be configured/reconfigured after you'd installed that package |
| 01:34.34 | SimonVallore | thats the only fix |
| 01:34.38 | chealer | priestess: depends on which release you're talking about. |
| 01:34.40 | priestess | Notice what, the name-changes or the kept-back packages? I noticed the kept-back thing coz I finally got around to doing the upgrade |
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| 01:34.56 | alvanson | alistair, no dice on the additional sources |
| 01:35.03 | chealer | priestess: you said "I noticed it all went strange and renamed at the last release" |
| 01:35.04 | crn | ke6isf, in dmesg it reports a an error from the hal function of madwifi. The error has the values 1. |
| 01:35.11 | crn | value |
| 01:35.18 | EdLin | priestess: if you don't understand how apt works you shouldn't be playing with sid now... |
| 01:35.21 | alvanson | alistair, this boils down to an 'if you have to ask, you shouldn't' argument now |
| 01:35.22 | priestess | Oh, packages.debian.org was giving different search-results was all. |
| 01:35.37 | concept10 | anyone ever hacked one of those disposable cameras ? I cant get the drivers to work |
| 01:35.47 | priestess | EdLin: On the other hand, how will I understand except for by playing with it? |
| 01:35.51 | SimonVallore | !shoot me |
| 01:35.52 | chealer | priestess: hum... packages.d.o doesn't know about what your system is running |
| 01:36.02 | ke6isf | concept10: Somebody has, yes. There was an article some time ago on slashdot about it. |
| 01:36.05 | SimonRaven | SimonVallore: stop please |
| 01:36.10 | shingouz | concept10: disposable camera? you pull the film out and have it developed in C-41 |
| 01:36.18 | SimonVallore | SImon HELP ME |
| 01:36.21 | SimonVallore | or |
| 01:36.25 | SimonVallore | !shoot me |
| 01:36.26 | ke6isf | shingouz: Disposable digital, I think. |
| 01:36.30 | Miles_Prower | they have disposable digitals. |
| 01:36.36 | shingouz | ke6isf: ooooo :p |
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| 01:36.48 | joe_ | !help me |
| 01:36.55 | SimonRaven | welcome to my /ignore list |
| 01:36.56 | EdLin | priestess: sid isn't for learning Linux, it's for debugging the next release - and since the current release was released recently it is *very* buggy. |
| 01:37.14 | alistair | what can i do >_> |
| 01:37.22 | SimonVallore | welcome to my /fuck you list |
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| 01:37.26 | jkasdn | is there any way to get the debian menu back in gnome 2.10 or is it just messed up right now? |
| 01:37.34 | ke6isf | !SimonRaven++ |
| 01:37.41 | joe_ | jkasdn, killall gnome-panel? |
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| 01:37.54 | SimonVallore | !shoot me |
| 01:38.01 | SimonVallore | !shoot me |
| 01:38.08 | ke6isf | SimonVallore: Please stop abusing the bot. |
| 01:38.10 | gimbal | SimonVallore: eh, dpkg is not your DOOM teammate |
| 01:38.12 | Miles_Prower | !blow me |
| 01:38.16 | Miles_Prower | woot! |
| 01:38.16 | shingouz | alistair: after all the goofing around with the sources and dependencies and whatnot, just get the debian netinstall and install sarge on the computer. and do not fuck with the sources.list this time |
| 01:38.17 | SimonVallore | !shoot me |
| 01:38.18 | concept10 | yes... I just soldered on a USB, and it shows up when i plug it in, but ghoto2 doesnt detect it, I guess I have to unlock the firmware |
| 01:38.32 | SimonVallore | !help me im not stable |
| 01:38.34 | EdLin | !ops SimonVallore is abusing the bot |
| 01:38.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: SimonVallore is abusing the bot |
| 01:38.43 | ke6isf | !EdLin++ |
| 01:38.48 | SimonVallore | !ops edlin is homosexual |
| 01:38.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: edlin is homosexual |
| 01:38.56 | sward | !gay |
| 01:38.56 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. sward is gay |
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| 01:39.06 | Rez | shit |
| 01:39.09 | *** part/#debian SimonVallore (n=simonval@adsl-69-149-243-172.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net) |
| 01:39.10 | priestess | But it's when you find the bugs that you learn how things work. I'd have no reason to ask about kdslibs not being updated if it all worked fine. |
| 01:39.13 | petemc | oops |
| 01:39.19 | alistair | al |
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| 01:39.23 | alistair | all i want is kde back |
| 01:39.24 | concept10 | I see that that guys is short on his Zoloft |
| 01:39.26 | EdLin | Rez: thanks |
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| 01:39.50 | jkasdn | joe_: tried that. it is still the same. do you have the debian menu in gnome 2.10? |
| 01:39.57 | chealer | Rez: hehehe |
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| 01:39.58 | ke6isf | concept10: Well, hey, he walks in and starts whining. |
| 01:40.07 | joe_ | jkasdn, actually, i'm using ubuntu |
| 01:40.10 | joe_ | y |
| 01:40.15 | ke6isf | !ubuntusmite joe_ |
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| 01:40.54 | gimbal | hm; in defense, Spain/Andalusia's Guadlinex is related to Ubuntu (is related to Debian) |
| 01:41.07 | EdLin | !based on Debian |
| 01:41.07 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 01:41.33 | gimbal | eyech, Lindows riffd on deb? |
| 01:41.36 | alistair | the following packages have unresolveable dependances.... |
| 01:41.36 | joe_ | y |
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| 01:42.14 | Warp4_ | ok having problems finding this -- the glib 2.0 devel headers. |
| 01:42.19 | fedsg | Hi everyone, I had a comcast connection 4 days ago, connecting internet throught cable. Their modem (Which seems to be in fact a modem router) got an IP address (I'm not sure if it's always the same) and is supposed to act as dhcp server. The problem is... With windows i got internet and the dhcp gives me an ip but debian won't get the ip... I get something like "No DHCPOFFERS received"... any idea please ? |
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| 01:42.23 | Warp4_ | anyone know what their package id is? |
| 01:42.37 | petemc | Warp4_: generally, a its whatever-dev |
| 01:43.03 | Warp4_ | petemc i know that but i don't see it on the debian packages website. |
| 01:43.08 | alistair | i get the same error on stable install but less feilds |
| 01:43.09 | alvanson | ke6isf, that is awesome |
| 01:43.14 | alistair | alvanson |
| 01:43.26 | ke6isf | alvanson: ...what, ubuntusmite? |
| 01:43.33 | alvanson | ke6isf, yes |
| 01:43.38 | EdLin | Warp4_: searching for it with "apt-cache search glib dev" gives you it as one of the results. |
| 01:43.40 | petemc | Warp4_: tried installing builed-essential |
| 01:43.44 | petemc | gah |
| 01:43.53 | ke6isf | alvanson: Hey, it's just another function. Lotsa stuff in there. Just watch the channel and learn. |
| 01:43.54 | petemc | build-essential |
| 01:43.55 | gimbal | fedsg: just to ask, you're sure that the packets are getting from your linux box to the modem/router? |
| 01:44.24 | alistair | [alvanson, what do you recomend i do? |
| 01:44.29 | fedsg | gimbal: Well, i had a look with etherreal |
| 01:44.40 | fedsg | gimbal: They seem to be send the right way |
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| 01:45.20 | fedsg | gimbal: Well, as far i know... I'm more programmer than network guy |
| 01:45.39 | gimbal | fedsg: hm. I could be getting over my head, here, but in what I know of it, that modem/router might have a specific ip address that it expects to get requests on -- could even be 192.168.0.1. It might even have a web-based interface on it, at that address (so long as your box isn't taking that address) |
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| 01:46.06 | gimbal | I suppose that kind of would serve to violate DHCP rules, but it's all I can think to say |
| 01:46.07 | eutopia | !drink gimbal |
| 01:46.29 | petemc | gimbal: thats not tooo common |
| 01:46.33 | gimbal | heh; #debian the restaurant at the end of Microsoft |
| 01:46.41 | eutopia | gimbal: :) |
| 01:46.43 | petemc | i hate this fucking keyboard |
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| 01:47.32 | fedsg | gimbal: How can i specify the DHCP server address on debian ? I thought DHCP requests were sent to broadcast so we didn't need to set this up... and anyways, it'd be problematic to set it up since i got no ip... since i am awaiting one.. |
| 01:47.55 | gimbal | fedsg: yeah, dhcp gets broadcast; there might be a way to get it all config'd without using dhcp though |
| 01:48.01 | petemc | fedsg: you understand it correctly, itas not that complicated |
| 01:48.15 | fedsg | gimbal: i hope so.... |
| 01:48.33 | fedsg | petemc: not complicated but still doesn't works ;) |
| 01:49.18 | fedsg | I'd like to check all this stuff... any tool out of ethereal ? |
| 01:49.38 | petemc | tcpdump, same shit tho |
| 01:49.52 | alistair | this is really annoying.. |
| 01:49.54 | gimbal | fedsg: maybe, if you'd have your linux box boot'd without eth0 being assigned 192.168.0.1 as an address -- e.g. set 192.168.0.2 for eth0 (iface eth0 inet static \n address 192.168.0.2 \n netmask 255.255.255.0 \n gateway 192.16.0.1), then try a request on 192.168.0.1, see if the modem/thing responds. If it needs a code for login, that code may be on the bottom of the modem-unit |
| 01:49.55 | petemc | i use a cable modem, its just a bridge |
| 01:50.14 | gimbal | the () was for /etc/network/interfaces, just an example known to work, here, heh |
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| 01:50.38 | jnc | err. and done. |
| 01:50.39 | alistair | gah |
| 01:50.40 | gimbal | fedsg: then, after that, there might be enough information for figuring out how to get it all to work without using dhcp |
| 01:50.50 | alistair | can anybody help me? |
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| 01:51.04 | gimbal | fedsg: essentially, just using the modem-unit as a gateway, then |
| 01:51.08 | alistair | i did apt-get install kde, and i get dependancy errors!! |
| 01:51.24 | jnc | peterS: so apparently the ATAPI layer for SATA is not turned on in the debian installer kernel, for the august 19th amd64 netinst snapshot |
| 01:51.34 | jnc | :( |
| 01:51.43 | chealer | alistair: ask #debian-kde |
| 01:51.48 | gimbal | fedsg: at the end of it, pardon if I would have happened to have put you on a wild goose chase |
| 01:51.55 | gimbal | 's all I'm wary of, heh |
| 01:52.09 | jnc | additionally, only the 2.6.12-1 kernel would boot and operate properly, i think |
| 01:52.11 | petemc | jnc: the installer uses 2.6.8, useless for sata, thems the brakes |
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| 01:52.26 | jnc | petemc: well, the snapshot used 2.6.11 i think |
| 01:52.32 | fedsg | Yes but the shit is>>> comcast gave me an ip address for the modem which is on a different network than the ip addresses it allows to windows stations. And the crap is i tried to set the linux box with a static IP on both of those networks, i can get to ping the modem at the address comcast told me but if i use it as a gateway, it won't work.... |
| 01:52.45 | petemc | d-i uses 2.6.8, or 2.4.27 |
| 01:53.00 | gimbal | fedsg: yeah, the ip addy on the modem is for the inet; the ip addy for the windows network is probably in one of the reserved blocks - like 192.168.0.X |
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| 01:53.29 | gimbal | fedsg: the modem would handle, like "masquerading" - whatever it's called |
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| 01:53.37 | petemc | no |
| 01:53.46 | petemc | it does bridging |
| 01:53.59 | gimbal | bridging, ok |
| 01:54.02 | fedsg | gimbal: I guess it has a small routing table for the ips it gives |
| 01:54.30 | gimbal | fedsg: heh, makes sense |
| 01:54.31 | jnc | petemc: well yes it installed 2.6.8, which meant i had to install manually the 2.6.12-1 kernel; the testing d-i netinst cd i used booted up some variety of 2.6.11 for the d-i system |
| 01:54.41 | LesleyB | fedsg, do you know an IP address for the router that you can use to telnet into it or load up a web based management system for it ? |
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| 01:55.14 | gimbal | presuming that a typical Cisco router would have space for a huge routing table; haven't been so far up on networking myself, but it's nice to learn something new of it |
| 01:55.15 | LesleyB | it can't be bridging if it's dhcp'ing to the internal network can it? |
| 01:55.16 | jnc | whoops |
| 01:55.22 | jnc | s/petemc/peterS/ |
| 01:55.34 | jnc | err |
| 01:55.39 | gimbal | for what it's worth, tangentially, i've heard quagga recommended as an interface for routing-config |
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| 01:55.51 | FabParma | im having trouble to install a ethernet card. it work only if i use dhclient. the interfaces config file its ok. the modulues are loaded. wath can i do? |
| 01:55.56 | jnc | gimbal: quagga being a fork of zebra |
| 01:55.59 | petemc | LesleyB: im not making this up... |
| 01:56.01 | gimbal | jnc: yes |
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| 01:56.39 | fedsg | So Well, it means i need it to give me an ip :/ |
| 01:56.43 | fedsg | I hate DHCP |
| 01:56.53 | petemc | dhcp rocks |
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| 01:57.11 | LesleyB | :) petemc |
| 01:57.42 | fedsg | petemc: it rocks when a stupid company don't set an obscure shit as modem |
| 01:57.42 | gimbal | fedsg: well, it might work without it having given your box an ip address; it can seem kind of silly, then, that they would suggest that you'd use dhcp for it, but I've seen that with a dsl modem/bridge/unit here |
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| 01:58.07 | fedsg | gimbal: sure, but i still don't get any dhcpoffer |
| 01:58.10 | LesleyB | fedsg, is this a modem with a single ethernet port? |
| 01:58.19 | ke6isf | Hmm... Saturday, and the aftermath of a full moon. What a combination. =^^= |
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| 01:58.26 | fedsg | LesleyB: it is |
| 01:58.31 | LesleyB | ahhh |
| 01:58.35 | LesleyB | they suck :) |
| 01:58.45 | fedsg | a black one from motorola |
| 01:58.52 | LesleyB | what you have to do is set the default route out from the debian box to the modem |
| 01:58.55 | fedsg | LesleyB: got it working ? |
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| 01:59.17 | fedsg | LesleyB: yes, it's called a gateway, i done this |
| 01:59.20 | FabParma | im having trouble to install a ethernet card. it work only if i use dhclient. the interfaces config file its ok. the modulues are loaded. wath can i do? |
| 01:59.33 | LesleyB | I had a DSL DLink 300T which is now disconnected because it was so unstable in so many ways |
| 01:59.33 | goonie | Does anybody know where libMesaGLw or libmesoGLwM are located in debian? |
| 01:59.42 | LesleyB | it was a half bridge |
| 01:59.47 | petemc | FabParma: if dhclient worksd, whats the problem? |
| 02:00.10 | petemc | i had a dlink, it ran linux, but sucked |
| 02:00.18 | gimbal | fedsg: just to try a thought, do you have 192.168.0.1 as the address that eth0 is bound to? or using a different address there? |
| 02:00.20 | LesleyB | the *only* way I got it to work consistently was to set both sides to DHCP and my default route to the management address of the modem |
| 02:00.24 | gimbal | ifconfig eth0 | grep inet | head -n1 # would show |
| 02:00.36 | LesleyB | then it would bridge thru my IP address from my ISP |
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| 02:00.44 | LesleyB | that was the only way it was reliable |
| 02:01.02 | LesleyB | apart from that totally useless |
| 02:01.05 | fedsg | gimbal: no, i removed my whole network configuration, i only try to get dhcp |
| 02:01.06 | LesleyB | I'm in the uk btw |
| 02:01.18 | LesleyB | and I have just bought a Zyxel router |
| 02:01.33 | LesleyB | had my whole LAN down because of that DSL300T this week |
| 02:01.36 | fedsg | LesleyB: Well, it's not the same shit, i am using the cable in the US |
| 02:01.48 | FabParma | petemec, problem is that every time i reboot i ha to launch dhclient. in more its not correct that a os its unable to bring up the network |
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| 02:01.54 | fedsg | LesleyB: Thank you thought |
| 02:01.58 | LesleyB | can't see if it makes any odds what the comms is to the Internet fedsg |
| 02:02.01 | gimbal | fedsg: hm; just for my own wondering, are you using /etc/network/interfaces to have the box configured to use dhcp? or running dhcp manually? |
| 02:02.14 | fedsg | gimbal: Interfaces |
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| 02:02.41 | rob_ | how do i reconfigure my x |
| 02:02.49 | ke6isf | !tell rob_ -about drxx |
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| 02:03.14 | rob_ | ty |
| 02:03.23 | ke6isf | =O.o= |
| 02:03.24 | ke6isf | !ty |
| 02:03.24 | dpkg | i heard ty is thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player |
| 02:03.28 | ke6isf | Ah. |
| 02:03.34 | ke6isf | rob_: you're welcome. |
| 02:03.40 | jnc | drxx? i've been using "X -configure" |
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| 02:04.16 | gimbal | fedsg: ok; I'd suggest setting up eth0 for static, with an address like 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.2 ; then try rebooting (just for certainty. I'm not sure, with certainty, aobut how to get the net config reset - routing tables and all - without a reboot). Then, with the modem connected to eth0, try to put yoru browser on http://192.168.0.1 ; if it shows a web-page, I'd say you're in business for dumping DHCP, just having the mo |
| 02:04.16 | gimbal | m act as a straight-through bridge |
| 02:04.20 | ke6isf | !tell jnc -about drxx |
| 02:04.36 | FabParma | !tel FabParma install ethernet card |
| 02:04.57 | rob_ | this is annoting lol |
| 02:04.59 | FabParma | !tell FabParma install ethernet card |
| 02:05.00 | jnc | !tell ke6isf -about robots |
| 02:05.02 | xtz | Hi there, i try to install an Samsung ML-1250 Printer (USB) on debian woody, could any one help me ? (Manufacturer's drivers will not install) |
| 02:05.26 | LesleyB | good luck fedsg :) |
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| 02:05.36 | rob_ | do i need x to run wmaker? |
| 02:05.41 | FabParma | !tell FabParma network |
| 02:05.53 | jnc | rob_: i think so |
| 02:05.59 | gimbal | fedsg: if http://192.168.0.1 does show a page, then there should be some ptions, there, for configuring the modem, if necessary - would hopefully be explanatory enough; you might not even need to reconfigure it, though - you could try pinging google.com or somesuch, to check if it goes through |
| 02:06.01 | fedsg | gimbal: ok but i got the ip of the modem |
| 02:06.08 | jnc | rob_: it is afterall an X11 windowmanager |
| 02:06.14 | rob_ | yeah i do |
| 02:06.14 | rob_ | :/ |
| 02:06.15 | sward | !tell FabParma about msg the bots |
| 02:06.16 | FabParma | !tell FabParma Ethernet card |
| 02:06.19 | rob_ | lol |
| 02:06.23 | rob_ | should of stuck with redhat |
| 02:06.29 | jnc | what's so bad with X? |
| 02:06.43 | rob_ | it wont fire up for me |
| 02:06.44 | rob_ | lol |
| 02:06.49 | xtz | Hi there, i try to install an Samsung ML-1250 Printer (USB) on debian woody, could any one help me ? (Manufacturer's drivers will not install) |
| 02:06.50 | lfs-livecd2 | can someone help me please? i can't undersatnd why my nat is so slow... |
| 02:07.01 | gimbal | fedsg: presumably, that would be the ip that the web would see, for your modem - not quite what your local lan would access it from. 'm not sure if the modem would allow http access, then, at that address, even if it would allow it for the local address (e.g. 192.168.0.1 - just a guess) |
| 02:07.01 | ke6isf | rob_: Well, what are the symptoms? |
| 02:07.25 | rob_ | ke6isf: no screens fo und |
| 02:07.30 | FabParma | at init 2 i want to install an Ethernet card. How to do? |
| 02:08.07 | fedsg | gimbal: i can ping the modem at the address they gave though |
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| 02:09.37 | gimbal | fedsg: ok; y'know, I've suggested as much as I can |
| 02:09.43 | FabParma | i have to install an Ethernet card on Debian that works only at init 2. How to do? |
| 02:10.52 | fedsg | gimbal: The submask is strange thought... it's 255.255.252.0 |
| 02:11.01 | fedsg | netmask i mean |
| 02:11.09 | fedsg | This escape from my knowledge |
| 02:11.21 | fedsg | Not class B or C... |
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| 02:11.44 | petemc | fedsg: read about cidr, thats a /30, i think |
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| 02:11.59 | gimbal | fedsg: I'd say it's a number hard to get a lot of meaning from unless you know how they have their netblocks partitioned |
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| 02:12.18 | gimbal | 's just how I'd look at it, myself; not sure what else to say heh |
| 02:12.23 | FabParma | i have to install an Ethernet card on a Debian that works only at init 2. How to do? |
| 02:12.23 | ferrisb | ok.... |
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| 02:12.47 | ferrisb | i need a pcmcia network card that will work flawlessly with debian |
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| 02:13.03 | fedsg | petemc: Not a /22 ? Class C beeing /24 right ? |
| 02:13.03 | ferrisb | any suggestions |
| 02:13.13 | joe_ | i'm getting a user Unkown error even though i'm using virtusertable catchall |
| 02:13.37 | drawagoat | ferrisb: look for an orinoco card on ebay |
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| 02:13.47 | ferrisb | i had to install M$ to get online... and i cannot standit any longer |
| 02:13.49 | ferrisb | thanks |
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| 02:14.45 | jnc | ferrisb: get a madwifi card |
| 02:14.45 | fedsg | I'll disconnect a bit to check how things are going... I'll try some stuff... |
| 02:15.00 | fedsg | Thanks guys, cya in a bit under windows or linux.... |
| 02:15.02 | jnc | ferrisb: the drivers are not 100% free as in speech, but they are much more functional |
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| 02:15.53 | jnc | ferrisb: i've got the linksys (cisco now) a/b/g 54mbs wifi card, and it makes use of madwifi drivers |
| 02:16.01 | sciron | would I be correct in assuming that if i'm setup for maildirs, I would desire $MAIL to = ~/Maildir ? |
| 02:16.19 | chealer | ferrisb: I'd try any ralink/realtek one |
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| 02:16.35 | petemc | sciron: using exim? nom.thats not sufficient |
| 02:16.37 | jnc | so uh, i notice some things are broken in unstable |
| 02:16.43 | jnc | how do i help to fix them? |
| 02:17.05 | petemc | redesign c++ |
| 02:17.05 | Toad | send patches to the maintainers |
| 02:17.16 | jnc | hm |
| 02:17.23 | Toad | or if you don't code, send good bug reports |
| 02:17.28 | sciron | petemc> the mta is already setup properly, but mutt is having serious issues accessing them, even with the mbox type set in /etc/Muttrc. The other thing I noticed is that no matter what I try with login.defs, I cannot get $MAIL to = ~/Maildir |
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| 02:17.55 | petemc | sciron: set spoolfile = $home/maildir, or sometyhing |
| 02:18.06 | ferrisb | thanks jnc.... i will try it |
| 02:18.09 | sciron | petemc> for mutt, right? |
| 02:18.14 | petemc | yeah |
| 02:18.33 | JoelR | hello, i compiled a kernel with "debian-way", and installed it with dpkg, but now i want to uninstall it because i have to make a modification to it, how do i know the name it has in the system if i know the name of the .deb file |
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| 02:18.51 | sciron | petemc> am I urinating up a rope trying to get $MAIL to = ~/Maildir ? even when setup with QMAIL_DIR in login.defs, it points to something in /var iirc |
| 02:19.01 | petemc | JoelR: dont remove it, just instakll your new kerenl |
| 02:19.29 | petemc | sciron: exim doesnt pay attention to variables.. |
| 02:19.33 | jnc | JoelR: you could do an apt-cache search and the name should be starting with kernel-image-blahblahblah |
| 02:19.43 | jnc | you'll see it in all likelihood |
| 02:20.08 | sciron | petemc> using courier, far easier to setup, and comes bundled with other things I need, though I do not know that it pays attention to $MAIL either.... I thought $MAIL was mostly for MUAs? |
| 02:20.16 | JoelR | but if i do apt-cache search it's going to search for the pattern i specify to it in the repositories i have in sources.list and not those installed on my system? |
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| 02:20.26 | petemc | sciron: couier has nothing to do with it |
| 02:20.38 | sciron | petemc> nor does exim in my case ;) |
| 02:20.50 | petemc | sciron: exim is a mda |
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| 02:21.01 | sciron | petemc> i thought exim/exim4 were mta's? |
| 02:21.09 | petemc | sciron: its trivial to get mutt to read maildirs |
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| 02:21.22 | sciron | petemc> I've done it easily before with slackware and qmail, never had this issue |
| 02:21.27 | JoelR | ok, if i do this: dpkg -l | grep kernel-image it shows me this: ii kernel-image-2 23032005 Linux kernel binary image for version 2.4.29 |
| 02:21.27 | JoelR | ii kernel-image-2 kernel2.6.11.v Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.11 |
| 02:21.35 | jnc | JoelR: it will also include custom packages; use the 'aptitude' tool and go to locally installed packages list |
| 02:21.38 | petemc | sciron: right, exim is a mat and a mda, it puts mail where ever you tell it |
| 02:21.43 | JoelR | i want to delete the second one, but how do i know the _complete_ name of it? |
| 02:21.49 | petemc | gah, mta |
| 02:22.22 | ke6isf | petemc: I suppose if configured wrong, exim can be an mda |
| 02:22.27 | ke6isf | petemc: (mail deletion agent) |
| 02:22.28 | jnc | JoelR: personally, i use synaptic or aptitude to do that dirty work |
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| 02:22.39 | petemc | JoelR: source /etc/bash_completion ; apt-get remnove kernel-image..<tab><tab> |
| 02:22.42 | sciron | petemc> gotcha, didn't realize the notinstalled exim doubled as an mda, ty. unfortunately I find the need for an imap server too, and since courier will also do mda work, I figured an all in one solution would be easier... until I found out how easy it is to setup |
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| 02:23.13 | petemc | sciron: courier, as an imapd, is not a mda |
| 02:23.35 | sciron | petemc> courier-maildrop |
| 02:23.58 | josh | has anyone got speedbooster liksys router |
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| 02:24.11 | Pumpkin_ | what is the "sys" account? it shows that it has a shell and a password etc? I never created that account |
| 02:24.30 | sciron | petemc> still, thanks, if I can get mutt working like I know it can, half of my troubles are over |
| 02:24.40 | josh | cause my speedbooset is junk |
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| 02:26.37 | sward | Pumpkin_: sys is one of several system accounts, you won't have created it; I don't think it should have a password though. |
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| 02:31.17 | jnc | Toad: what if a package is simply missing from my arch? |
| 02:31.20 | carcrashnights | I've been using 'xterm -fn fixed', and I want to add that to my .Xresources. How do I know which font is 'fixed'? Is that a default? |
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| 02:31.45 | jnc | Toad: i'm on amd64 hardware here, and there are packages that exist for i386 also for powerpc |
| 02:31.59 | jnc | yet they are not existing in a recent version for amd64 |
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| 02:34.31 | PerfDave | jnc: amd64 is not an official Debian architecture. |
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| 02:35.38 | aqua | does kde work in etch ? |
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| 02:36.32 | Justin420 | Hi yall, anybody be able to help me figure out why my pci nic doesnt automagically renew its hostname/ip address from a linksys router (befsr41)? |
| 02:36.49 | aqua | your not runnin a dhcp client ? |
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| 02:37.16 | rob_away | Anyone here done any pyglade programming on a debian machine? I'm getting a "No module named libglade" when I try the tutorial from this site: http://handhelds.org/~nelson/pyglade/pyglade-tutorial |
| 02:37.19 | Guerin | !your |
| 02:37.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 02:37.23 | Justin420 | as in a peice of software on debian??? sorry if that is a stupid answer for that aqua |
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| 02:37.58 | xsquared | hi |
| 02:38.01 | PerfDave | Justin420: How have you configured your PCI NIC's network configuration? |
| 02:38.23 | Justin420 | it i guess autoconfigures at startup |
| 02:38.26 | Justin420 | perfdave |
| 02:38.29 | sward | rob_away: That could be glade 1 while you have glade 2 libs |
| 02:38.51 | chealer | aqua: it should |
| 02:38.59 | PerfDave | Justin420: Did you tell it to do that? What does your /etc/network/interfaces say? |
| 02:39.10 | xsquared | do i have to use udev? it conflicts with alsa-utils |
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| 02:39.14 | Justin420 | ok... ill look brb.. |
| 02:39.18 | xsquared | what does udev actually do? |
| 02:39.29 | rob_away | sward, ok, I'm not sure what to do :) |
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| 02:40.12 | rob_away | I tried to import libglade2 but that didn't work either |
| 02:40.20 | Eradan | anyone know if there is a package for zlib-dev ? |
| 02:40.32 | Justin420 | # The loopback network interface |
| 02:40.32 | Justin420 | auto lo |
| 02:40.32 | Justin420 | iface lo inet loopback |
| 02:40.33 | chealer | xsquared: look at the package description |
| 02:40.41 | jnc | Eradan: it may be named libz1-dev |
| 02:40.43 | jnc | or something |
| 02:40.43 | Justin420 | sorry about the copy and pasting everyone... |
| 02:40.49 | PerfDave | Justin420: /msg dpkg paster |
| 02:40.57 | greg_work | is it possible to have one ethernet card and have a PPPoE modem on it (eth0), as well as a local network (eth0:1) ? |
| 02:41.04 | PerfDave | Justin420: You need to add a configuration for your ethernet card. |
| 02:41.05 | PerfDave | greg_work: Yes |
| 02:41.06 | xsquared | chealer: but do i need it? |
| 02:41.09 | Justin420 | ok, my bad |
| 02:41.12 | PerfDave | Justin420: man interfaces |
| 02:41.26 | chealer | xsquared: normally if you're running a 2.6 kernel |
| 02:41.26 | Justin420 | auto eth0 |
| 02:41.27 | Justin420 | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 02:41.30 | greg_work | PerfDave: so i can just plug the dsl modem into a switch along with the rest of my network and it'll work? |
| 02:41.32 | sward | rob_away: gtk.glade I think |
| 02:41.36 | jnc | PerfDave: my my you are full of helpful information |
| 02:41.46 | chealer | xsquared: udev conflicts wist alsa-utils? |
| 02:41.54 | xsquared | chealer: yes |
| 02:41.55 | Eradan | jnc: thanks! |
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| 02:42.02 | chealer | xsquared: under which release? |
| 02:42.04 | rob_away | sward, ok, I'll go with that |
| 02:42.06 | rob_away | thanks |
| 02:42.08 | xsquared | chealer: also in a bug report... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=324119 |
| 02:42.21 | Justin420 | does that answer you question perfdave?? thanks for being patient with a gnu/linux newbie |
| 02:42.23 | sward | rob_away: Try the tutorial on this site: http://primates.ximian.com/~sandino/python-glade/ |
| 02:42.28 | bucky | robaway are you using glade2 ? |
| 02:42.40 | PerfDave | Justin420: It's preferable to use the pastebot - /msg dpkg paster |
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| 02:42.45 | PerfDave | greg_work: Uhm, no idea. Depends on what you want, really, and how your DSL modem works. I suggest you read your DSL modem's documentation, and the IP HOWTOs at http://www.netfilter.org/ |
| 02:42.49 | hikenboot | anyone know debian mentors irc channel? Whats its # name? |
| 02:43.20 | jnc | hikenboot: i hear it moved off freenode |
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| 02:43.23 | jnc | just a rumor though |
| 02:43.41 | hikenboot | i am looking for someone who hangs out there |
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| 02:43.49 | PerfDave | Justin420: Your device eth0 is set up to configure via DHCP. If eth0 is the name of the device connected to the local network, then it should pick up its configuration from a local DHCP server, assuming that your linksys provides one. |
| 02:43.53 | hikenboot | his name is unixdruid |
| 02:44.08 | chealer | xsquared: alsa-utils only conflicts with udev << 0.060 |
| 02:44.10 | PerfDave | hikenboot: /whois unixdruid |
| 02:44.23 | Justin420 | yes sir perfdave, it is the nic that i use to connect to my lan |
| 02:44.51 | PerfDave | Justin420: In that case it should pick up configuration from your DHCP server, and update that configuration when the DHCP lease expires. |
| 02:44.52 | Justin420 | perfdave: i have the linksys setup to assign ip's automagically |
| 02:45.21 | PerfDave | Justin420: Exactly what problem are you having? |
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| 02:45.38 | hikenboot | he disappeared off the face of the earth |
| 02:45.40 | jnc_ | Need some help troubleshooting gpm |
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| 02:45.56 | jnc_ | Upgraded to kernel 2.6.8 a while ago; just tried plugging a PS2 mouse into this computer. |
| 02:46.04 | jnc | another jnc! |
| 02:46.14 | Justin420 | perfdave: when i go the linksys router config page, it shows the winblows pc, with its hostname and ip, but my pc the one with debian on it, it has nothing in there for my card right now?? |
| 02:46.15 | jnc | bwaaaaa |
| 02:46.21 | rob_away | sward, that was it... I got it working now. Thanks :) |
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| 02:46.54 | Justin420 | perfdave: when my pc is listed in the dhcp clients page, it has the ip, and the mac address but no hostname? |
| 02:46.59 | jnc_ | I finally found out I had to modprobe mousedev, which said "PS/2 mouse found" or something like that, and /dev/input/mice and /dev/psaux showed up |
| 02:47.26 | PerfDave | Justin420: Are you sure that eth0 is the name of the ethernet interface connected to the network? You can check with "ifconfig -a" to show all interfaces that your kernel recognises. |
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| 02:47.32 | sward | jnc: You didn't register that nick? Oh well |
| 02:47.43 | jnc_ | Now when I start gpm, it runs (shows up in the process list) but doesn't actually do anything - no cursor or anything. |
| 02:47.56 | jnc | sward: it's mine now :) |
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| 02:48.09 | jnc_ | I don't use IRC enough to be worth registering a nick. |
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| 02:48.15 | jnc_ | What's yours stand for? |
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| 02:48.26 | jnc | Joe No Castle, my Freematrix Radio pseudoname |
| 02:48.55 | jnc_ | Joe Not Charles |
| 02:49.00 | jnc | :) |
| 02:49.03 | PerfDave | Justin420: Anyway I'm off to bed, sorry. If that doesn't solve your problem, hopefully someone else can. |
| 02:49.04 | Justin420 | perfdave: im pretty sure, i have a 3com nic, and a tv tuner card, obviously i dont use the tv tuner card for networking? |
| 02:49.10 | lfs-livecd2 | what does the ipmasq package does? more that he iptables thing to activate nat and putting 1 into /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? |
| 02:49.18 | jnc | that's too funny, sorry to be "stealin'" your IRC nick |
| 02:49.25 | Justin420 | ok perfdave, thanks man i hope someone else will help |
| 02:49.25 | jnc | didn't know it was taken |
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| 02:49.36 | jnc_ | Oh, I always end up as jnc_ when I log on here |
| 02:49.46 | jnc_ | So it's probably taken by yet a third person. |
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| 02:53.43 | Justin420 | anyone else feel as if maybe they could help with the problem i have with the nic not updating its info from the router?? |
| 02:54.21 | jnc_ | Anyway, anybody have any idea where to look next with my mouse? |
| 02:54.23 | xsquared | chealer: which is what im using |
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| 02:54.37 | xsquared | chealer: udev hasn't dropped from unstable yet |
| 02:55.02 | chealer | xsquared: I know. glibc has do drop from it first |
| 02:55.22 | xsquared | chealer: it sucks. when will this "go down"? |
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| 02:56.03 | jnc_ | Justin420: Missed the first part. You're running a DHCP client and it's not working, or you're just looking at the router's client list? |
| 02:56.07 | gteppel | What is this networking syntax called--> 192.168.1.0/24?? |
| 02:56.19 | jnc | gteppel: uhh |
| 02:56.29 | chealer | xsquared: I don't know |
| 02:56.37 | chealer | !tell xsquared about why is glibc not in testing |
| 02:56.48 | jnc | technically that is specifying to use the first 24 bits of address 192.168.1.0 |
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| 02:56.55 | jnc | i don't know the shorthand name for it |
| 02:57.03 | gteppel | ok so the 192.168.1 subnet? |
| 02:57.09 | Justin420 | jnc_: i am looking at the routers client list, and it has the winblows pc with its hostname and ip and mac, but mine is currently not in there. |
| 02:57.19 | gteppel | jnc: what would 0/0 be? |
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| 02:58.15 | Justin420 | jnc_: once the debian machine starts up i get the ip and mac address, but no hostname? i brb, i gotta hook the the ps2 for my nephew really quick lick |
| 02:58.21 | jnc | gteppel: that would be using no bits of an address; i don't know, it's not defined AFAIK |
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| 02:59.42 | gteppel | jnc: ok thank you |
| 03:01.21 | Justin420 | jnc_:i am back now.... any ideas?? |
| 03:02.19 | JesusC | er hello... im using debian 3.1 and have just copied some ttf fonts across... how do i get X to recognise them? ive used fc-cache, but, well, that does not really achieve this |
| 03:03.05 | jnc_ | No hostname? I didn't think DHCP was supposed to give you a hostname. |
| 03:03.15 | jnc_ | Aren't you supposed to tell it your hostname? |
| 03:03.18 | xsquared | how would i go about using a package from unstable if im using testing (udev)? |
| 03:03.32 | miag | $ hostname |
| 03:03.34 | chealer | !tell xsquared about quick etch/sid mix |
| 03:03.50 | jnc_ | xsquared: I always build them from source. There's probably an easier way. |
| 03:04.03 | Justin420 | jnc_: honestly i dont know, i thought it would get it automagically but there is probably something very easy that my stupid @$$ isnt doing |
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| 03:04.31 | Justin420 | jnc_: i have only been using debian for like 2 weeks |
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| 03:05.32 | Justin420 | jnc_: just saying, with the winblows pc's, it just did its thing, but debian runs SOOOOOOOOOOOO much better than winblows98se, and i would really love to switch os's. |
| 03:05.43 | frumious-0 | hostname is set in /etc/hostname. Doing "hostname the-hostname" as root should do it. |
| 03:06.48 | Justin420 | jnc_: i have a hostname file in my /etc/ dir; saying the hostname what i want it to be |
| 03:07.20 | Justin420 | sorry, frumious-0 that was supposed to be directed at |
| 03:07.48 | xsquared | chealer: that pm was confusing. do i copy both my testing lines and change them to unstable? |
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| 03:10.23 | frumious-0 | Justin420: what doesn't seem right with the hostname then? (I just came around) |
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| 03:11.59 | Justin420 | frumious-0: i am looking at my linksys befsr41 router webpage, and within the clients for dhcp it has the winblows pc, and then should my computer also be there right now? especially since i am on irc, and gaim with 2 diff accounts?? |
| 03:12.13 | SpacemiND | hey folks |
| 03:12.19 | chealer | xsquared: what do you mean by "both my testing lines"? |
| 03:12.24 | SpacemiND | can any one help me with djbdns in debian ? |
| 03:12.37 | Justin420 | frumious-0: i am about 99.9% sure i have the linksys setup for automatic dhcp leasing |
| 03:12.40 | bosk | hello! |
| 03:13.17 | SpacemiND | i heaving some problems to running a intranet domain, i cannot ping the domain by any computer |
| 03:13.32 | jnc_ | Justin420: So you can get an IP fine and everything, it's just that the hostname doesn't show up on your linksys page? |
| 03:13.43 | sSsslang | hello,all |
| 03:13.49 | xsquared | chealer: there is deb and deb-src |
| 03:13.54 | jnc_ | Is that actually a problem? |
| 03:13.55 | jdhutchin1 | Justin420, set the hostname to send in /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 03:14.01 | xsquared | both those lines? |
| 03:14.30 | chealer | xsquared: you don't need to copy deb-src unless you intend to compile unstable packages |
| 03:14.42 | Justin420 | frumious-0: half way correct, when i freshly reboot the ip address is there along with the mac address, but no hostname?? after a couple days, the debian machine does not update itself?? if that makes sence??? |
| 03:14.44 | sSsslang | How to configure ssh in colinux(debian) |
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| 03:15.35 | jdhutchin1 | !tell sSsslang about based on debian |
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| 03:15.37 | frumious-0 | I have a linksys router (don't recal the version but it's just 10mbps/802.11b) and there is no mention of host name. |
| 03:15.43 | Justin420 | jdhutchin1: im lost?? open the /etc/hostname and link it to dhclient.conf?? if that is correct i have no idea on how to do so, i am a gnu/linux newbie, sorry yall |
| 03:15.45 | SpacemiND | sSsslang: apt-get install openssh ? |
| 03:15.55 | jdhutchin1 | Justin420, edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 03:16.09 | jdhutchin1 | there is an option in there like "send-hostname <whatever" |
| 03:16.14 | frumious-0 | Justin420: the hostname to use is up to the local Linux system. |
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| 03:16.28 | shimano55 | Question, What package do I download so that my file roller can open .rar files? |
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| 03:16.51 | Justin420 | frumious-0:its underneith the status page, i click on the dhcp clients table and it shows all the dhcp clients |
| 03:17.19 | jdhutchin1 | Justin420, you have to tell dhclient the hostname to send. It does not send the hostname of the computer |
| 03:17.36 | Justin420 | frumious-0: it then says client hostname, ip address, then finally mac address |
| 03:17.39 | xsquared | fucking hell. i bought new speakers and while i apt-get update'd and upgraded, it broke my sound |
| 03:17.39 | xsquared | i can't even test my speakers |
| 03:17.45 | frumious-0 | Justin420: yes, I have similar but all my "Client HOstnamesS" are empty. 'Course, all my DHCP systems are Debian... |
| 03:17.50 | jdhutchin1 | Justin420, there is a line ' send host-name "whatever-the-heck-you-want-it-to-be"; ' |
| 03:18.05 | gimbal | xsquared: mixer's alright? the upgrade might've tutzed the mixer settigns |
| 03:18.23 | aqua | wtf! |
| 03:18.29 | aqua | debian really is kind of worthless |
| 03:18.35 | xsquared | gimbal: ive changed the mixer settings aswell |
| 03:18.36 | aqua | i cant even run kde with x.org |
| 03:18.49 | jdhutchin1 | aqua, you're using unstable? you should know better then |
| 03:18.55 | shimano55 | Anyone know? |
| 03:18.57 | aqua | jdhutchin1; no i just install sarge |
| 03:19.02 | aqua | kkredent; and xbase-clients says 4. |
| 03:19.07 | jdhutchin1 | sarge doesn't have xorg |
| 03:19.12 | shimano55 | Can the file roller open .rar files? and if so, which package do I need to download? |
| 03:19.14 | aqua | yeah, thats pretty lame |
| 03:19.28 | jdhutchin1 | !tell aqua about xorg sarge |
| 03:19.37 | xsquared | shimano55: its in the non free section |
| 03:19.37 | Justin420 | jdhutchin1: i have this file, but it seems to look as if all the lines are commented out??? |
| 03:19.42 | gimbal | xsquared: hm; not sure how to debug on sound - can only think to suggest looking at the boot-up messages (should be logged in /var/log/syslog somewhere) to see if anything during the enit would be emitting a message about it |
| 03:19.47 | xsquared | shimano55: its like unrar or something |
| 03:19.51 | gimbal | enit = init |
| 03:19.52 | aqua | does kde+xorg work/exist in etch ? |
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| 03:19.57 | chealer | shimano55: if any, unrar or unrar-free |
| 03:20.02 | chealer | aqua: no |
| 03:20.04 | jdhutchin1 | Justin420, yes, all the lines are commented out so it uses defaults by default- you can uncomment the lines and sent them if you don't want defaults |
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| 03:20.09 | jdhutchin1 | aqua, no |
| 03:20.13 | aqua | wellw tf! |
| 03:20.20 | aqua | talk about behind the times :( |
| 03:20.27 | jdhutchin1 | aqua, you don't seem to understand how debian works, do you? |
| 03:20.30 | frumious-0 | aqua: yes, you are rigth, debian is worthless. You should find another dist! |
| 03:20.42 | aqua | jdhutchin1; yeah, give you everything 2 years after everyone else |
| 03:20.46 | shimano55 | thanks |
| 03:20.55 | aqua | jdhutchin1; i understand it completely |
| 03:20.59 | jdhutchin1 | aqua, here is not the place to debate debian's release philosophy |
| 03:21.05 | chealer | aqua: we like making useless software and getting users to rant |
| 03:21.05 | jdhutchin1 | if you don't like it, go somewhere else |
| 03:21.13 | aqua | heh |
| 03:21.24 | xsquared | gimbal: im gonna restart and see if it makes a difference |
| 03:21.26 | xsquared | brb |
| 03:21.27 | Justin420 | jdhutchin1, should i do this? i want to make this box as secure as possible, and i am a so much a linux newb and dont know all the fine details about debian yet... sorry man |
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| 03:21.36 | aqua | and the fact that kde just "doesnt work" in sid is retarded considering its the same exact version of kde as sarge |
| 03:21.36 | gimbal | xsquared: cool |
| 03:21.47 | jdhutchin1 | Justin420, yes, it won't make your machine insecure |
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| 03:21.57 | jdhutchin1 | aqua, you don't seem to understand unstable either then |
| 03:22.11 | paster | "justin420" at 72.24.63.91 pasted "/etc/dhclient.conf" (49 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/525 |
| 03:22.14 | aqua | jdhutchin1; yeah unstable generally means may not work |
| 03:22.16 | chealer | aqua: wrong |
| 03:22.20 | aqua | jdhutchin1; not "this shit doesnt work at all" |
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| 03:22.41 | aqua | "the shit is here cause we KNOW its busted.. so were going to tease your ass" |
| 03:22.49 | frumious-0 | aqua: go away. |
| 03:22.53 | jdhutchin1 | Justin420, yes, change the line "#send host-name "andare.fugue.com";"- remove the # to uncomment it and then change andare.fugue.com to whatever you want the hostname to be |
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| 03:22.55 | Justin420 | lol |
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| 03:23.09 | aqua | thats how i see it :/ |
| 03:23.14 | jdhutchin1 | aqua, if you don't like debian, go use ubuntu or gentoo or whatever |
| 03:23.20 | Gnea | aqua: well you see it wrong. |
| 03:23.21 | jdhutchin1 | don't tell us about things we already know about |
| 03:24.29 | Justin420 | jdhutchin1:ok thanks how should i go about trying to update my client dhcp lease then after i uncomment this line, also should i start with a completly empty file and add the lines as i go? i want to set this up as smart as possible, and dont mind doing extra typing, if that makes sence??? |
| 03:24.51 | jdhutchin1 | Justin420, just change the file that's already there, uncomment that one line and change it, leave the rest alone |
| 03:24.59 | Justin420 | ok thanks alot |
| 03:25.14 | jdhutchin1 | Justin420, then restart your dhcp client with "killall dhclient; dhclient <interface name>" (as root) |
| 03:25.21 | Justin420 | i also have problems printing from my winblows pc, to this debian machine |
| 03:25.22 | jdhutchin1 | beware though, your ip might change |
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| 03:26.27 | Justin420 | if you would be willing to help, i bought the book the offical samba 3 howto and refrence guide, and am sort of understanding it, but would like some help if at all possible. |
| 03:26.43 | Gnea | aqua: that was worthless |
| 03:26.55 | Gnea | aqua == script kiddie |
| 03:27.07 | jdhutchin1 | just ask, don't tell us you're going to ask |
| 03:27.14 | jdhutchin1 | and printing from windows to linux is finnicky at best |
| 03:27.18 | frumious-0 | Justin420: You might alternatively learn about CUPS. MSWindows systems can print to a CUPS URL. |
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| 03:27.41 | jdhutchin1 | !tell Justin420 about cups windows |
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| 03:27.58 | frumious-0 | !tell frumious-0 about cups windows |
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| 03:29.10 | frumious-0 | jdhutchin1: yah, that looks about right |
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| 03:30.23 | Justin420 | jdhutchin1: i know you told me to leave the rest alone, but should i change the send dhcp-client-identifier line to my nic's mac address or would that not be wise? |
| 03:30.50 | jdhutchin1 | Justin420, the rest is commented out, so dhclient uses its own intelligent defaults |
| 03:31.11 | jdhutchin1 | 'man dhclient.conf' can give you more details than I can recall off the top of my head |
| 03:31.14 | Justin420 | so that wont mess anything up, ok thats what i was looking for |
| 03:31.48 | frumious-0 | Justin420: fwiw, I have a totally empty (ignoring comments) /etc/dhclient.conf and a filled in /etc/hostname and all is well. |
| 03:32.23 | Justin420 | ok thanks sorry for being retarded, ill try what you suggested and thank you. all of you who were helping me out. :) great FREE support, better than pc manufacters sometime |
| 03:32.44 | jdhutchin1 | pc manufacturers give support? |
| 03:32.49 | Justin420 | exactly |
| 03:32.58 | Justin420 | they give you bullshit is more like it |
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| 03:33.06 | Justin420 | excuse my frence |
| 03:33.06 | Justin420 | err french |
| 03:33.21 | frumious-0 | Justin420: being a newbie is different than being retarded. |
| 03:33.37 | amnesia | seems likee sarge/sid ssh is broken |
| 03:33.43 | amnesia | anyone have similar experience? |
| 03:33.50 | Justin420 | lol, true that 2 |
| 03:33.52 | jdhutchin1 | sarge shouldn't have broken ssh.... |
| 03:33.58 | amnesia | it's broken for mine |
| 03:34.05 | frumious-0 | amnesia: describe "broken" |
| 03:34.06 | amnesia | dpkg -l | grep ssh |
| 03:34.06 | amnesia | ii ssh 3.8.1p1-8.sarg Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH) |
| 03:34.07 | dpkg | No packages found matching |
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| 03:34.21 | jdhutchin1 | what's not working with it? |
| 03:34.22 | PandaKun | hey |
| 03:34.26 | amnesia | wait. hold on. |
| 03:34.29 | PandaKun | -rw-r----- <-- how do i turn that in ls -l to -rw-rw---- |
| 03:34.30 | PandaKun | ? |
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| 03:34.39 | jdhutchin1 | PandaKun, chmod |
| 03:34.51 | PandaKun | chmod what exact permissions |
| 03:34.57 | PandaKun | mean numbers |
| 03:35.02 | jdhutchin1 | whatever -rw-rw-- is |
| 03:35.05 | frumious-0 | amnesia: I use the same version on a production system, and not seen any problems. |
| 03:35.05 | jdhutchin1 | man chmod tells all |
| 03:35.05 | PandaKun | 660 |
| 03:35.06 | amnesia | jdhutchin1: is sid's ssh broken? |
| 03:35.07 | PandaKun | probably |
| 03:35.15 | amnesia | frumious-0: hold on. just to double check. |
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| 03:35.30 | frumious-0 | amnesia: oops, soory, I use 3.8.1p1-8 (no .sarge) |
| 03:35.48 | PandaKun | alright im done thanks |
| 03:35.56 | amnesia | frumious-0: ok. a little confusion. i am looking at sid, not sarge. sarge is fine. |
| 03:36.13 | bucky | FieldySnuts is baaaack |
| 03:36.51 | PandaKun | hey are you guys any good with mysql? |
| 03:37.02 | PandaKun | im having problems opening ***.idb o.o |
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| 03:37.15 | aqua | pandakun; sure |
| 03:37.29 | PandaKun | aqua can you help me fix my "Cannot open: ***.idb (errno .1)" problem? |
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| 03:37.39 | aqua | umm |
| 03:37.46 | aqua | there is a mysql app to try and repair it |
| 03:37.51 | aqua | cant remmeber wheich |
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| 03:38.04 | PandaKun | i tried it |
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| 03:38.06 | PandaKun | i still get that error. |
| 03:38.13 | eutopia | whats apt-get upgrade do? |
| 03:38.22 | fusQuanto | upgrades |
| 03:38.22 | fusQuanto | duh |
| 03:38.23 | fusQuanto | heh |
| 03:38.24 | PandaKun | ERROR 1016: Can't open file: 'guild_skill.ibd' (errno: 1) |
| 03:38.25 | PandaKun | haha |
| 03:39.10 | aqua | have you tried searching the site to see what errno 1016 is |
| 03:39.17 | PandaKun | yes |
| 03:39.20 | eutopia | fusQuanto: upgrades what? everything? is that the same as apt-get distroupdate? |
| 03:39.24 | PandaKun | no fix to it |
| 03:39.35 | frumious-0 | eutopia: type "man apt-get". One page down. |
| 03:39.53 | iaido | trying to install the module ip_queue.. is there an easier way to do it than downloading 2.6.8 source, running config & building that module in? |
| 03:40.11 | frumious-0 | eutopia: dist-upgrade is two pages down. |
| 03:40.19 | aqua | is the db running ? |
| 03:40.22 | PandaKun | any other idea |
| 03:40.22 | PandaKun | yeah. |
| 03:40.24 | PandaKun | it's running |
| 03:40.29 | PandaKun | when i makea NEW |
| 03:40.29 | aqua | pandakun; mysqlcheck -u<login> -p -r <database> |
| 03:40.30 | PandaKun | database |
| 03:40.32 | PandaKun | it works |
| 03:40.35 | PandaKun | ? |
| 03:40.36 | PandaKun | im in it right now |
| 03:40.39 | aqua | run that |
| 03:40.43 | jdhutchin1 | eutopia, you don't want to run dist-upgrade unless you're actually doing a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch or etch to sid |
| 03:40.45 | aqua | or try restarting mysql |
| 03:40.46 | eutopia | frumious-0: thanks! so i apt-get upgrade safe? |
| 03:40.54 | PandaKun | veryone is OK |
| 03:40.55 | eutopia | jdhutchin1: ok |
| 03:40.57 | PandaKun | Can't open file: 'guild_storage.ibd' (errno: 1) |
| 03:40.59 | PandaKun | except that |
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| 03:41.06 | aqua | pandakun; and try: repair table <tablename> |
| 03:41.07 | aqua | ; |
| 03:41.10 | frumious-0 | eutopia: depends. If you go from stable to unstable, there may be dragons. |
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| 03:41.16 | eutopia | is there an update to ARK or something similar? ARK is very buggy for me. |
| 03:41.23 | frumious-0 | eutopia: if from woody to sarge, it should be okay. |
| 03:41.27 | PandaKun | ok sec |
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| 03:41.47 | PandaKun | Can't open file: 'guild.ibd' (errno: 1) didnt work |
| 03:42.02 | fusQuanto | jdhutchin1: what if you have unstable and you do dist-upgrade like once a week (like i do :) ) |
| 03:42.02 | PandaKun | is there just a way to like look in it o.o |
| 03:42.38 | jdhutchin1 | fusQuanto, then you're already at unstable. but if you're in testing or stable and have source lines for unstable, it can screw stuff up |
| 03:42.39 | frumious-0 | fusQuanto: living la vida loca, eh? |
| 03:42.42 | max | I'm trying to get my Netgear WG511T wireless card to work. I'm new to all of this, are there any idiot proof methods you know to get me up and running? |
| 03:43.00 | PandaKun | so aqua |
| 03:43.01 | PandaKun | anything? |
| 03:43.01 | astro | hey, if i create a tarball with "tar czf file.tar.gz .blah/".. the tar will unzip ./.blah/... right? |
| 03:43.08 | jdhutchin1 | max, no, you probably want to use madwifi |
| 03:43.08 | PandaKun | aqua may I PM/ |
| 03:43.08 | astro | any way to change the directory name? |
| 03:43.15 | PandaKun | *may I pm? |
| 03:43.33 | fusQuanto | frumious-0: livin on the edge |
| 03:43.35 | max | how do i use that? |
| 03:43.51 | jdhutchin1 | look up the various docs for madwifi, I think it's madwifi.sourceforge.net |
| 03:43.55 | eutopia | frumious-0: is there an update to ARK or something similar? ARK is very buggy for me. |
| 03:44.06 | jdhutchin1 | !tell max about madwifi |
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| 03:44.31 | frumious-0 | eutopia: sorry, ARK? |
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| 03:45.37 | frumious-0 | astro: first question: yes. |
| 03:45.48 | astro | meh |
| 03:45.51 | Justin420 | jdhutchin1: changing that one line in the /etc/dhclient.conf did the trick, thanks again man |
| 03:46.26 | Justin420 | now i am going to read up on the making windows use cups thingie you sent me... hopefully i can get my print jobs to work from that |
| 03:47.05 | frumious-0 | astro: second: I don't know. But don't think so short of doing it manually. |
| 03:47.10 | astro | ya |
| 03:47.15 | astro | i just copied it and then deleted |
| 03:48.07 | PandaKun | hmm |
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| 03:48.22 | Justin420 | jdhutchin1: is it possible that sharing my printers with a win98se client is not possible or should i just shutup and read? |
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| 03:48.34 | dob1 | hi |
| 03:48.49 | dob1 | I patched the kernel and iptables source with patch-o-matic, now how can i compile the extension that i need ? only these one i mean |
| 03:49.00 | dob1 | the iptables lib |
| 03:49.25 | jdhutchin1 | Justin420, I don't know, I've never worked a whole lot with windows printing on a linux server |
| 03:49.36 | jdhutchin1 | I tried it once, it didn't work, I didn't really care |
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| 03:49.51 | eutopia | frumious-0: ARK for compression |
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| 03:50.16 | eutopia | frumious-0: what do you use to compress and uncompress folders and files? |
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| 03:50.53 | Justin420 | jdhutchin1: ok thanks ill just shutup and read. it would be nice for me to have my printers available to the win98se computer, because that is which computer my mom uses and she cant even get win98 to the point where she feels comfortable using win98se, and if she cant use that she sure as the hell cant use debian gnu/linux |
| 03:51.03 | frumious-0 | eutopia: tar, gzip. unzip if .zip file. |
| 03:51.22 | nevyn | Justin420: you're wrong but whatever. |
| 03:51.23 | eutopia | frumious-0: no front end? |
| 03:51.24 | mfrisch | bzip2 |
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| 03:51.47 | Justin420 | nevyn: how am i wrong? |
| 03:51.52 | frumious-0 | eutopia: bash |
| 03:51.56 | jdhutchin1 | she can probably use gnome or kde |
| 03:52.01 | nevyn | Justin420: if you can use win98 you can use a preconfigured debian |
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| 03:52.10 | Justin420 | lol, dude yall dont even know |
| 03:52.10 | eutopia | frumious-0: LOL |
| 03:52.10 | jdhutchin1 | she won't be able to do administration tasks, but she can't do those under windows anyways |
| 03:52.29 | Justin420 | she can barely remember how to save files |
| 03:52.33 | eutopia | frumious-0: i use Konsole, is bash better? |
| 03:52.38 | kismet | i'm having trouble keeping WinXP bootable after installing Debian |
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| 03:52.44 | Justin420 | which isnt very nice to say but ma but anyway.... |
| 03:52.49 | mfrisch | frumious-0 :-) |
| 03:52.51 | nevyn | Justin420: I do.. I spent 3 years distributing linux computers to unemployed and disabled people. |
| 03:53.30 | astro | how much harder (if any) is it for someone to bruteforce a GPG encrypted message without the private key compared to with the private key without the password? |
| 03:53.35 | Justin420 | nevyn: that was very cool of you to do |
| 03:53.46 | frumious-0 | eutopia: Konsole and bash are orthoganol (Konsole gives a terminal emulator, bash a shell) |
| 03:53.47 | Justin420 | helping the unemployed and disabled people. |
| 03:53.54 | mikez0r | astro depends on strength? |
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| 03:54.01 | nevyn | Justin420: everyone can be taught to use linux |
| 03:54.05 | eutopia | frumious-0: how do I load Bash? |
| 03:54.14 | nevyn | Justin420: most people can even be taught somewhat how to administer it. |
| 03:54.14 | Justin420 | rephrase that: most modern people, |
| 03:54.18 | nevyn | (synaptic) |
| 03:54.21 | nevyn | no. most people. |
| 03:54.21 | Phated | When you start konsole, what you get IS bas. |
| 03:54.24 | Phated | bash. |
| 03:54.24 | greg_work | if i have a package that has a Replaces: oldpackage line, will the newpackage's preinst script be run before or after oldpackage is removed? |
| 03:54.29 | eutopia | nevyn: u work with the homeless? |
| 03:54.35 | frumious-0 | eutopia: bash is a shell. Likely the one you are using. Type "echo $SHELL" |
| 03:54.44 | nevyn | eutopia: used to. |
| 03:55.01 | eutopia | frumious-0: it said: /bin/bash |
| 03:55.08 | eutopia | nevyn: why did u stop? |
| 03:55.08 | nevyn | eutopia: homeless tend not to want computers.. they're kinda more concerned about eating. |
| 03:55.16 | Justin420 | lol |
| 03:55.22 | nevyn | eutopia: ABME |
| 03:55.30 | nevyn | eutopia: All babies must eat |
| 03:55.34 | Justin420 | or maybe the will sell their computer for a big phat crack rock |
| 03:55.35 | nevyn | including me. |
| 03:55.36 | Justin420 | 'hehe |
| 03:55.40 | eutopia | nevyn: the better thing to give a homeless person is not food, but a good book or education on personal development |
| 03:55.52 | Phated | Burn it for heat. |
| 03:56.00 | Phated | How about... a JOB? |
| 03:56.01 | Justin420 | hey there ya go, |
| 03:56.10 | Justin420 | whats a job??? |
| 03:56.10 | nevyn | eutopia: you're familiar with like. the needs pyramid right? |
| 03:56.15 | eutopia | nevyn: if you just keep giving food, they wont be inspired to grow and learn how to look after themselves |
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| 03:56.42 | eutopia | frumious-0: it said: /bin/bash! so does this mean im using bash in a Konsole? |
| 03:56.45 | nevyn | eutopia: if you can't satisfy survival needs.. (shelter) you're not in a position to worry or care about personal development |
| 03:56.49 | maher | eutopia: maybe they are homeless because they are mentally ill or drug addicts |
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| 03:57.01 | eutopia | nevyn: thats your opionion, doesnt mean its true |
| 03:57.08 | nevyn | eutopia: umm not my pyramid |
| 03:57.11 | eutopia | maher: maybe they arent |
| 03:57.18 | frumious-0 | eutopia: yes. |
| 03:57.20 | bucky | a guy started a company called AdverBum that pays bums to hold advertising signs |
| 03:57.33 | eutopia | there are many homless people that are more smarter than us |
| 03:57.44 | nevyn | who's the guy who developed the needs pyramid name starts with m |
| 03:57.45 | eutopia | bucky: good for him |
| 03:57.51 | mikez0r | eutopia: if you have no place to stay how will you ever be able to relax enough to help your other problems? |
| 03:58.07 | xtz | how do i update kernel 2.4.18 to 2.4.27-2 on Debian Woody ? |
| 03:58.08 | ambroseL | after dist-upgrade from sid to sid, the applications menu is empty. I run kde, but I don't see a /etc/menu-method for kde. What package do I have to (re-)install to get this working again? Or ... do you have another suggestion? |
| 03:58.08 | eutopia | Adverbum sounds like he is helping them deserve what they get |
| 03:58.17 | nevyn | eutopia: intelligence is not at all related to homelessness |
| 03:58.18 | mikez0r | xtz: use apt-cache search |
| 03:58.43 | xtz | yes mikez0r, but what should i install ? kernel-image... ? |
| 03:58.58 | nevyn | Maslow |
| 03:59.01 | eutopia | life doesnt reward the person who needs, it rewards the person who DESERVES! deserve comes from 2 latin words, duh, and servus! it means "from service"! it violates natural law to be given something without FIRST giving service for it |
| 03:59.05 | mikez0r | xtz, aren't there descriptions right next to each option? |
| 03:59.16 | eutopia | thats as silly as expecting the farm to grow without first planting seeds and watering etc |
| 03:59.23 | xtz | mikez0r: i tried to install one, but i had an error |
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| 03:59.29 | nevyn | \http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_of_human_needs |
| 03:59.39 | mikez0r | eutopia, deserving something? I hope you mean earning it |
| 03:59.50 | mikez0r | xtz elaborate |
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| 04:00.00 | eutopia | mikez0r: scxtoll back and look at the true meaning of deserve |
| 04:00.22 | eutopia | nevyn: i disagree with that! who said that report is accurate and truthful |
| 04:00.29 | Vladi_here | hi |
| 04:00.48 | mikez0r | man, why the hell is nobody in the #philosophy channel? |
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| 04:01.17 | eutopia | it does a LOT OF harm to condition a person to receive something without them first deserving it from giving service |
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| 04:01.22 | mikez0r | it seems like on a discussion server that would be a very popular channel |
| 04:01.34 | mikez0r | and yet |
| 04:01.37 | mikez0r | nobody to be found |
| 04:01.41 | nevyn | eutopia: it's well established human motivation theory |
| 04:01.41 | maher | eutopia: yeah - don't feed your kiddies either |
| 04:01.43 | frumious-0 | mikez0r: because most philosphers don't dig debian. |
| 04:01.45 | eutopia | nevyn: you damage and hurt people MORE by feeding them and looking after them without first training them to give service |
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| 04:01.53 | eutopia | nevyn: not everyone agrees |
| 04:02.05 | deadcat | anyone gonna maintain the new q3 source code? (= |
| 04:02.07 | eutopia | nevyn: thats your opinion and some other peoiples opinion, NOT every human agreess! |
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| 04:02.43 | eutopia | nevyn: who is to say you and they are right to come to that conclusion? dont forget, 6 billion people on earth and NOT all agree! so who said you are right? |
| 04:02.53 | nevyn | it's not an absolute.. but as a rough outline of how people are motivated it's not terrible |
| 04:03.02 | eutopia | nevyn: even many many "experts and professionals" disagree with that |
| 04:03.06 | frumious-0 | yawn. |
| 04:03.08 | mikez0r | frumious-0 but does that mean that we, the people who use this server, are so dead that we can't "dig" philosophy? It's kind of sad. |
| 04:03.22 | eutopia | nevyn: if you want the truth about this topic, read the Bible, it contains the truth on the matter |
| 04:03.34 | mikez0r | everybody should like or at least think philosophy is interesting |
| 04:03.56 | servus | Eutopia made my chat client highlight this channel with that little speech :o/ |
| 04:04.02 | frumious-0 | mikez0r: I just searched and failed to find a phylosophy group on this server, that's all. |
| 04:04.11 | nevyn | umm.. |
| 04:04.12 | PandaKun | hey |
| 04:04.15 | eutopia | nevyn: Abraham Maslow was only a human and was not perfect! He made many errors |
| 04:04.16 | PandaKun | how do i backup innodb files? |
| 04:04.25 | nevyn | mikez0r: what are we discussing here other than philosophy? |
| 04:04.32 | nevyn | what is truth etc. |
| 04:04.37 | eutopia | servus: :) |
| 04:04.38 | nevyn | what is it to be human. |
| 04:04.45 | servus | Whenever an ant crawls up my nostril, I get a nosebleed :( |
| 04:04.56 | eutopia | nevyn: read the Bible, it has truth. And Abraham Maslow didnt have all truth! simple as that |
| 04:05.06 | maher | servus: snort more raid |
| 04:05.12 | nevyn | eutopia: what specific truth does the bible have? |
| 04:05.16 | nevyn | which book of the bible? |
| 04:05.18 | frumious-0 | My Debian system broke. Debian sucks, how can I fix it? |
| 04:05.20 | eutopia | nevyn: wrong channel to talk |
| 04:05.22 | servus | Can I stop scraping out roach motels? |
| 04:05.25 | nevyn | cause some of them contradict each other? |
| 04:05.29 | eutopia | nevyn: come to #truth |
| 04:05.31 | maher | frumious-0: try #bible-truth |
| 04:05.34 | dondelelcaro | Daveman: ? |
| 04:05.49 | mikez0r | nevyn, so people like eutopia can dedicate themselves to rationalizing themselves in a channel where everybody is part of a collective thought |
| 04:06.04 | mikez0r | not to imply that eutopia is overly special |
| 04:06.06 | EdLin | !doesn't work |
| 04:06.06 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 04:06.43 | nevyn | eutopia: #philosophy ? |
| 04:06.46 | frumious-0 | maher: does not exist, at least on my server. Although I like the oxymoronic title! |
| 04:07.19 | frumious-0 | dpkg: I love you! |
| 04:07.20 | dpkg | I love you too, frumious-0. |
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| 04:10.39 | iaido | one of my apps complains libpcre.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 04:10.46 | iaido | I can find /usr/lib/libpcre.so.3 |
| 04:10.56 | iaido | is it a bad idea to ln -s libpcre.so.3 to libpcre.so.0 ? |
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| 04:11.30 | frumious-0 | iaido: not necessarily, but it is symptomatic that you are running a binary from another Linux dist. |
| 04:11.57 | iaido | just compiled snort source, no binary |
| 04:12.02 | Justin420 | anybody able to help with printing problems?? |
| 04:12.12 | paster | "justin420" at 72.24.63.91 pasted "Smb4k error" (2 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/526 |
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| 04:14.06 | frumious-0 | iaido: at a loss then. Usually I see that from users trying to install Fedora binaries on debian. Why not use snort packages from Debian? |
| 04:14.55 | fidget | In the irssi config file if y = yellow and g = green what is orange? |
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| 04:15.07 | deadcat | fidget: o ? |
| 04:15.11 | fidget | it's not =/ |
| 04:15.15 | deadcat | haha |
| 04:15.16 | fidget | I tried it .. lots of errors. |
| 04:15.23 | deadcat | try a-z |
| 04:15.26 | fidget | you'd think i'd be wouldn't you? I mean common ... |
| 04:15.37 | deadcat | fidget: they were smoking crack. |
| 04:15.55 | fidget | no lie ..... kinda pissing me off .. I can't find ANYONE who knows how to change the stupid colors to orange |
| 04:16.14 | deadcat | fidget: no lie. they were smoking crack |
| 04:16.24 | fidget | aight chief thanks for your help |
| 04:16.24 | deadcat | DjKritical shut up. |
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| 04:17.39 | bitshifty | hi, what is the command for formatting floppies? |
| 04:17.54 | bucky | fdformat |
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| 04:19.27 | Daveman | dondelelcaro, hey |
| 04:20.15 | bitshifty | how do i mount a floppy? |
| 04:20.54 | frumious-0 | bitshifty: Likely "mount /floppy" |
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| 04:21.20 | frumious-0 | bitshifty: Likely as root. |
| 04:22.19 | bitshifty | frumious-0, i wasn't sure, but i thought the floppy was mounted in /media |
| 04:22.42 | bucky | it is on mine |
| 04:23.05 | frumious-0 | bitshifty: I've never seen /media on debian systems. |
| 04:23.22 | bucky | amd64 ? |
| 04:23.37 | bitshifty | frumious-0, i'm looking at it right now. |
| 04:23.54 | bitshifty | listed is: cdrom cdrom0 floppy floppy0 |
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| 04:24.12 | Vladi_here | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:24.50 | pepe | how do I install a package from a downloaded .deb file? |
| 04:25.00 | frumious-0 | bitshifty: to be explicit: "mount /dev/fd0 /path/to/some/dir" Depending on the format of the floppy you might need a "-t msdos" option. |
| 04:25.07 | deadcat | pepe: dpkg -i |
| 04:25.11 | pepe | thanks |
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| 04:28.16 | TNKS | Does anybody here know how badly Mac's Fink hacks up the Debian policy to offer .deb package management? |
| 04:29.32 | frumious-0 | TNKS: it's been a while to use it but my main problem with Fink was that to install most recent versions meant using "fink" to compile stuff not "apt-get" to install binaries. |
| 04:30.04 | frumious-0 | TNKS: That was 6 months to a year ago. |
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| 04:30.31 | bitshifty | do i have to mount a floppy to format it? |
| 04:30.47 | deadcat | i think i am witnessing an internet crime. (= |
| 04:30.48 | freedom101 | i do i clear the cache of problem to download with apt-get |
| 04:31.00 | TNKS | frumious-0, that's insane. . . but you're right, that might not be the case anymore. |
| 04:31.13 | freedom101 | because apt-get update give me a error and tell me to do apt-get update |
| 04:31.51 | frumious-0 | bitshifty: no |
| 04:32.13 | TNKS | frumious-0, what really concerns me is that I have no idea whether the GUI Mac stuff conflicts with the Fink packages, but I imagine that Fink has some sort of policy to manage that. |
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| 04:32.23 | freedom101 | because i do apt-get install xmms in unstable and its giving me a error and i switch to testing but when i try apt-get unpdate i still have the error of xmms |
| 04:32.25 | xoz | TNKS: because the author has more time bitching around people who is trying to make money of his project |
| 04:32.28 | frumious-0 | deadcat: the subtly of your humor escapes me |
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| 04:32.53 | freedom101 | sorry if i have long message but i have difficulty to tell you the problem |
| 04:32.56 | deadcat | frumious-0: no. i think someone is using a server to commit crime. hes on the server. but so am i. (= |
| 04:33.05 | jair | hello debain guys :) |
| 04:33.59 | frumious-0 | deadcat: get 'em then! |
| 04:34.20 | cafuego | frumious-0: Yes, you should FIX the error, not go to a non-stable debian version. that's a dumb idea. |
| 04:34.25 | Vladi_here | bitshifty: no need to mount |
| 04:34.29 | jetscreamer | bitshifty: no |
| 04:34.36 | deadcat | fusQuanto: how? its NOT my machine either. |
| 04:34.47 | cafuego | freedom101: Pasting your error on pastebin.com would be a good start. |
| 04:34.47 | frumious-0 | TNKS: sorry I don't follow fink close enough to help. |
| 04:34.57 | Vladi_here | bitshifty: fdformat /dev/fd0 |
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| 04:35.20 | cafuego | bitshifty: See also 'sudo apt-get install mtools; mformat a:' |
| 04:35.45 | fusQuanto | deadcat: bueno? |
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| 04:38.25 | Gonzalo | I need a couple of pointers to set up Apache virtual hosts on Debian sarge. Anyone? |
| 04:38.51 | frumious-0 | Gonzalo: go for it! |
| 04:39.13 | Gonzalo | I have used linux for a while, but I am a bit new to Debian. |
| 04:39.27 | Gonzalo | Where do I set the virtual directories on Debian? |
| 04:39.45 | ifup | hello, can someone tell me how to change the default browser? Thanks |
| 04:40.00 | freedom101 | well i can't paste it because its in other computer but its the same error that you got when you install something with dpkg and the installation failed and its keep asking you to install its after when you thy to install something else? |
| 04:40.04 | frumious-0 | Gonzalo: /etc/apache/ |
| 04:40.55 | jair | I was looking for a linux application that can convert audio files example: midi to wav or mp3 to whatever,,, |
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| 04:41.55 | Gonzalo | frumious-0: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled? |
| 04:42.04 | Gonzalo | Is that where I want to add things? |
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| 04:42.21 | Xx_SINNER_xX | any slrn users in here have slrnface working? |
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| 04:42.44 | jair | I am so tired |
| 04:42.46 | jair | wow |
| 04:42.51 | bitshifty | what is the package name for xwindow? |
| 04:42.57 | bitshifty | (xwindow support) |
| 04:43.19 | jair | I will have to start reading more about ip tables and proxy server. |
| 04:43.49 | jair | I will be back |
| 04:43.52 | frumious-0 | Gonzalo: I don't use apache2 yet. I define mine in /etc/apache/http.conf (actually via a "ResourceConfig" line pointing to a second file) |
| 04:44.02 | Gonzalo | ok |
| 04:44.11 | Gonzalo | Thanks for trying to help. |
| 04:44.30 | EdLin | bitshifty: x-window-system or x-window-system-core (the latter requires that you add your window-manager and x terminal emulator) |
| 04:44.38 | Gonzalo | I am using apache2 and everything otherwise works great. I am very impressed with Debian. Just need to get a couple of virtual hosts going. |
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| 04:45.32 | bitshifty | EdLin, does x-window-system install GNOME and KDE? i don't want those, i'm going to install blackbox |
| 04:46.02 | EdLin | bitshifty: it installs twm and xterm. You probably don't want twm, so "apt-get install x-window-system-core blackbox xterm" |
| 04:46.13 | ifup | well I answered my own question "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" |
| 04:46.54 | bitshifty | EdLin, thankyou for being so helpful. |
| 04:47.00 | EdLin | bitshifty: np |
| 04:47.33 | bucky | Gonzalo, apache2 does that by setting up soft links from /etc/apache2/sites-enabled to /etc/apache2/sites-available/ |
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| 04:47.52 | Vladi_here | bitshifty: apt-get install blackbox |
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| 04:48.22 | EdLin | Vladi_here: that won't install several pieces of X11 that he needs. |
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| 04:49.44 | Gonzalo | bucky: Thanks. That's a useful pointer. |
| 04:49.54 | bucky | np |
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| 04:52.50 | cafuego | Gonzalo: You can do that by creating files in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and running 'sudo a2ensite' |
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| 04:53.51 | deadcat | jashon: what the hell was that? |
| 04:54.10 | jashon | what was what |
| 04:54.17 | bucky | jashon, you just private msg everyone and do that shit? |
| 04:54.19 | deadcat | jashon: dont play dumb with me |
| 04:54.29 | bucky | deadcat, he's not playing |
| 04:54.29 | frumious-0 | deadcat: get some kind of message about logging in and hitting /var/logs? Me to. |
| 04:54.38 | deadcat | bucky: oh my god.. |
| 04:54.49 | deadcat | jashon: reinstall that box now.. some moron is gonna use it to commit crime |
| 04:54.49 | jashon | oh yeah err |
| 04:54.55 | bucky | jashon, don't type ssh root@srv3.sytes.net in the channel |
| 04:55.07 | jashon | oh you mean that ssh root@srv3.sytes.net spearmint |
| 04:55.08 | jashon | stuff? |
| 04:55.12 | jashon | i get that alot |
| 04:55.16 | jashon | some reason it wont stop lol |
| 04:55.16 | dondelelcaro | jashon: please don't PRIVMSG people here. |
| 04:55.38 | deadcat | jashon: i thought you just want to get me in trouble.. bastard. (= |
| 04:55.40 | bucky | how did he PRIVMSG everyone in the channel? |
| 04:55.54 | deadcat | bucky: i think so. |
| 04:56.02 | jashon | trouble with what |
| 04:56.07 | bucky | at the same time.. how does that work |
| 04:56.17 | jashon | oh what the heck |
| 04:56.22 | jashon | theres a irc server on it now |
| 04:56.25 | deadcat | bucky: hes a cop |
| 04:56.25 | jashon | srv3.sytes.net |
| 04:56.39 | deadcat | jashon: thats your irc server? |
| 04:56.43 | jashon | no |
| 04:56.49 | jashon | some dude loaded it on wtf |
| 04:56.58 | deadcat | jashon: butthats your machine? |
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| 04:57.02 | jashon | yeah |
| 04:57.17 | jashon | my xchat got infected and it starts letting out my ssh history and stuff |
| 04:57.17 | deadcat | jashon: so do you want to get in trouble or you want to get people in trouble? |
| 04:57.42 | deadcat | jashon: then reinstall the damn thing |
| 04:57.45 | jashon | oh theres some credit card files on there |
| 04:57.46 | jashon | thats weird |
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| 04:57.55 | bucky | why did lilo drop dancer and start using hyperion ? |
| 04:58.01 | deadcat | jashon: if the cops ask. i say they are yours |
| 04:58.15 | jashon | thats really weird |
| 04:58.19 | frumious-0 | is jashon jashon? |
| 04:58.36 | deadcat | frumious-0: its a trap. |
| 04:59.39 | azg | hello. how do i determine hard disk read/write speeds? |
| 05:00.47 | jashon | does anyone here know about how to shut down botnets |
| 05:00.55 | jashon | theres one running on my server now |
| 05:01.05 | deadcat | jashon: killall -9 name |
| 05:01.09 | frumious-0 | azg: hdparm will tell/set IDE speeds. bonnie is a common benchmark. |
| 05:01.11 | longHair | azg: you can use hdparm |
| 05:01.12 | jashon | i tried that |
| 05:01.14 | deadcat | jashon: shut the fuck down and reinstall.. |
| 05:01.15 | jashon | and it comes back up |
| 05:01.20 | dondelelcaro | bucky: try asking in #freenode |
| 05:01.21 | maher | jashon: reinstall |
| 05:01.25 | deadcat | jashon: and dont use the same passwd. we all know its spearmint |
| 05:01.28 | bucky | okay |
| 05:01.58 | azg | frumious-0, longHair: ill try that, thanks |
| 05:02.25 | jashon | well i cant just shut it down lol |
| 05:02.36 | deadcat | jashon: yes. you can. shutdown -h now |
| 05:02.45 | jashon | but then i cant reinstall |
| 05:03.04 | deadcat | jashon: what the fuck... nevermind. just let that guy own your machine and use it like a whore then |
| 05:03.15 | maher | jashon: is this a remote box? |
| 05:03.19 | jashon | yes |
| 05:03.30 | maher | jashon: how did it get installed in the first place? |
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| 05:03.39 | jashon | some guy did it |
| 05:03.59 | maher | jashon: shutdown -h now, then ask the guy to reinstall it |
| 05:04.00 | deadcat | jashon: heres what you do.. NOTHING.. just let that guy fuck you. |
| 05:04.22 | frumious-0 | jashon: "some guy did it" Best (non) Answer Evar! |
| 05:04.22 | jashon | yeah i dont think hell do anything bad |
| 05:04.53 | jashon | i mean some guy at the dc did it |
| 05:04.59 | jashon | and theyre closed until next week heh |
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| 05:05.25 | jashon | so ill just leave it running until whenever |
| 05:05.53 | maher | jashon: if you don't shut it down your isp will eventually cut you off and/or the police will come round and chat |
| 05:06.10 | joeholmes | i have a newbie question ... in bash scripting what is the correct syntax for a replacable parameter (ie the same thing that %1 used to do in DOS batch files) |
| 05:06.16 | jashon | nah i dont think anyone bad has found it |
| 05:06.42 | jashon | i just want to get the irc server and botnet down lol |
| 05:06.50 | nevyn | joeholmes: $1 |
| 05:07.15 | bitshifty | i installed [00:42] <bitshifty> what is the package name for xwindow? |
| 05:07.15 | bitshifty | [00:42] <bitshifty> (xwindow support) |
| 05:07.19 | bitshifty | oops |
| 05:07.22 | bitshifty | haha sorry. |
| 05:07.26 | frumious-0 | joeholmes: DOS is too far gone in my memory but maybe you mean positional parameters? Then "$1" "$2" etc. |
| 05:07.32 | EdLin | !lol |
| 05:07.32 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
| 05:07.33 | bucky | jashon, i think it's a good idea to change your passwd now that you PRIVMSG'ed everyone with it |
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| 05:07.49 | jashon | i tryed but it doesnt work |
| 05:07.55 | deadcat | bucky: no need i changed it and added few users (= |
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| 05:08.01 | bitshifty | EdLin, i installed just as you said |
| 05:08.09 | bucky | deadcat, thank you deadcat |
| 05:08.12 | EdLin | bitshifty: and it works? |
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| 05:08.16 | bitshifty | but i can't change my desktop image or anything, there's hardly and commands in blackbox |
| 05:08.28 | deadcat | bucky: just kidding. i dont want to prevent other people from getting into his box. (= |
| 05:08.29 | bitshifty | *any |
| 05:08.41 | bucky | jashon, you probably can't change it because someone else did already |
| 05:08.51 | deadcat | bucky: his box is like a whore. we all get a change to get in there (= |
| 05:09.04 | rking | dear GNU screen users: echo altscreen on >> ~/.screenrc # altscreen off is a ridiculous default. |
| 05:09.10 | joeholmes | nevyn and frumious-0: thank you. that accomplished what I wanted. |
| 05:09.12 | jashon | oh ok |
| 05:09.16 | EdLin | bitshifty: I'm not that familiar with blackbox. For menu entries install the "menu" package which will add them automatically every time you run "update-menus" |
| 05:09.22 | deadcat | rking: whats taht do? |
| 05:09.36 | djenne1 | Er, have I stumbled into something other than a vaguely supportive group of Debian users? |
| 05:09.38 | jashon | what is a good password to change it to |
| 05:09.46 | deadcat | jashon: spearmint2 |
| 05:10.05 | rking | deadcat: you know how, in a naked (screenless) xterm, when you vim a file it restores the previous output? but in screen, it leaves the vim text on the screen? this fixes that, and i am so happy to have it so. |
| 05:10.07 | deadcat | someone kick/ban jashon, i think hes just fucking with us |
| 05:10.08 | jashon | ok |
| 05:10.13 | bitshifty | EdLin, will this give me access to change desktop and programs like firefox etc.? |
| 05:10.18 | EdLin | jashon: as long as your machine is 0wned no password is safe, it's safe to assume that a rootkit has been installed |
| 05:10.23 | jashon | hmm |
| 05:10.28 | jashon | ok ill reinstall it |
| 05:10.32 | jashon | when i can |
| 05:10.33 | EdLin | bitshifty: well, of course, you'll need to apt-get mozilla-firefox. |
| 05:10.47 | deadcat | rking: oh.. i dont have that problem |
| 05:10.50 | djenne1 | Yes, this does seem to be just a smidgeon other... |
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| 05:11.03 | bitshifty | EdLin, what does "menu" install, exactly? |
| 05:11.26 | deadcat | jashon: i am gonna put your private messing on my site as "dumb ass off the week", is that ok? |
| 05:11.30 | deadcat | i am not joking either. |
| 05:11.31 | EdLin | bitshifty: a small program that miraculously can update nearly every window manager in Debian with the programs you've installed as entries. |
| 05:11.42 | jashon | oh ok |
| 05:11.44 | jashon | whatever that is lol |
| 05:11.46 | deadcat | cool |
| 05:12.00 | jashon | is it on a web page or something |
| 05:12.32 | EdLin | !tell jashon -about lol |
| 05:12.46 | deadcat | jashon: it will be. |
| 05:13.02 | jashon | where will it be lol |
| 05:13.04 | deadcat | i took a screenshot with your /msg and the passwd. |
| 05:13.22 | bitshifty | EdLin, thanks again :D |
| 05:13.29 | EdLin | bitshifty: np |
| 05:13.38 | ardi | h |
| 05:13.40 | ardi | p |
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| 05:14.20 | jashon | whats the url to ur dumbass of the week heh |
| 05:14.28 | EdLin | !ur |
| 05:14.28 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 05:14.35 | ke6isf | For what it's worth, jashon did the same thing to me a few hours ago. |
| 05:14.51 | deadcat | jashon: i think you are too dumb to look at it. so i wont post till later. |
| 05:14.57 | jashon | ok |
| 05:15.08 | bitshifty | what runs faster on debian, mozilla or mozilla firefox? |
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| 05:15.19 | ke6isf | bitshifty: Yes. |
| 05:15.21 | dondelelcaro | jashon: do you actually have anything remotely #debian related to ask about? |
| 05:15.25 | deadcat | rking: dont deserve a hug. |
| 05:15.26 | jashon | oh well |
| 05:15.26 | dondelelcaro | jashon: if not, kindly go elsewhere. |
| 05:15.29 | jashon | yeah i do |
| 05:15.36 | bucky | ke6isf, jashon PRVMSG every user in the channel with his passwd thinking he was ssh'ing out of a shell |
| 05:15.37 | jashon | srv3.sytes.net runs debian i think |
| 05:15.44 | jashon | it has apt and stuff |
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| 05:15.46 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@pcp01039936pcs.mtdra01.fl.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:15.46 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:15.47 | EdLin | bitshifty: firefox is often said to be a bit faster, and it's a smaller download. |
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| 05:15.51 | dondelelcaro | wrong answer. |
| 05:15.52 | ke6isf | bucky: At about 19:00 PDT? |
| 05:15.53 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: no he doesnt. he gave us that stupid passwd to fuck with us |
| 05:16.11 | bucky | ke6isf, think so |
| 05:16.23 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.31 | bucky | spearmint |
| 05:16.33 | ke6isf | bucky: DO NOT PASTE IT. |
| 05:16.37 | ke6isf | too late. |
| 05:16.50 | bucky | someone already changed it |
| 05:16.52 | ke6isf | Not that it matters. |
| 05:17.26 | deadcat | why bother? we have our own machine to login to. |
| 05:17.58 | ke6isf | He said it's his, but somehow I doubt it. |
| 05:18.35 | bitshifty | is "defoma" worth getting? |
| 05:19.20 | ke6isf | I'll inform root@sytes.net of the breach. |
| 05:19.52 | deadcat | ke6isf: eh. thats no-ip.com.. i have a subdomain using sytes.net too. |
| 05:20.23 | ke6isf | deadcat: I'm on the phone with them, hoping to get a live one. |
| 05:20.34 | ke6isf | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 05:20.36 | deadcat | ke6isf: cool. |
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| 05:21.14 | ke6isf | deadcat: I'm having troubles actually. Do you know a way to get to the NOC for them? |
| 05:21.25 | deadcat | ke6isf: NOC? |
| 05:21.36 | ke6isf | deadcat: Network Operations Center, or whatever equivalent. |
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| 05:21.51 | deadcat | ke6isf: nope. i just signup for a free sub domain there. |
| 05:21.55 | ke6isf | deadcat: Damn. |
| 05:22.05 | deadcat | ke6isf: let me email them. |
| 05:22.11 | ke6isf | deadcat: Good luck. |
| 05:22.38 | ke6isf | I wonder if I kept the long. |
| 05:22.41 | ke6isf | s/long/log |
| 05:22.43 | deadcat | ke6isf: or you can email abuse@no-ip.com |
| 05:22.55 | ke6isf | deadcat: Have you emailed them yet? |
| 05:22.59 | deadcat | nope |
| 05:23.06 | deadcat | ke6isf: i wouldnt know what to say. (= |
| 05:23.09 | ke6isf | deadcat: *nod* They're completely dead right now. |
| 05:23.18 | dob1 | at the boot which option determinates if the file ppp_on_boot.dsl is launched or not? |
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| 05:23.35 | dob1 | or which script |
| 05:23.43 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: /etc/init.d/rc2.d/ |
| 05:24.02 | deadcat | dob1: ^^ |
| 05:24.05 | ke6isf | I'm not logging, fuck. Anybody have a log of the info with the password? |
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| 05:24.07 | dondelelcaro | yes, runlevel 2 is a beautiful runlevel |
| 05:24.20 | deadcat | ke6isf: ya. let me put the screenshot on my page. |
| 05:24.27 | ke6isf | deadcat: Thanks. |
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| 05:26.25 | ke6isf | deadcat: Email is prepared. Fire when ready. |
| 05:26.59 | deadcat | http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/misc/dumb.ass.png |
| 05:27.36 | ke6isf | deadcat: Can you copy the text and get it to me in an email? |
| 05:27.42 | deadcat | ke6isf: ok |
| 05:28.03 | ke6isf | deadcat: dennisthetiger@gmail.com please |
| 05:28.27 | deadcat | ke6isf: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/dumb.ass.jashon.txt this ok? |
| 05:28.54 | ke6isf | deadcat: That is beautiful, sir. You're CDT, I presume? |
| 05:28.58 | rking | what exactly is going on? |
| 05:29.02 | deadcat | ke6isf: CDT? |
| 05:29.12 | ke6isf | rking: jashon breached somebody's server and broadcast the password. |
| 05:29.19 | rking | oh. |
| 05:29.25 | ke6isf | deadcat: Central Daylight Time. |
| 05:29.36 | deadcat | ke6isf: oh. pacific |
| 05:29.43 | ke6isf | deadcat: Ah, so he got you later on then. |
| 05:29.53 | deadcat | ke6isf: ya.. |
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| 05:30.46 | cafuego | dob1: You can add ppp0 to /etc/network/interfaces actually |
| 05:31.35 | cafuego | dob1: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1033 |
| 05:31.49 | yonkeltron | is there an easy way to get an msn account (being on linux and all)? some friends from overseas use it...... |
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| 05:32.05 | cafuego | yonkeltron: yeah, sign up for hotmail, then use that account |
| 05:32.17 | deadcat | yonkeltron: with your browser |
| 05:32.42 | cafuego | yonkeltron: .. or get smarter friends ;-) |
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| 05:32.48 | deadcat | hahaah |
| 05:32.59 | deadcat | cafuego: thats not nice (= |
| 05:33.16 | yonkeltron | i agree tho |
| 05:33.23 | yonkeltron | but msn is the shit in israel! |
| 05:33.26 | cafuego | deadcat: I wasn't intended as such ;-) |
| 05:33.38 | yonkeltron | it makes me sad but there is a budding F/OSS community |
| 05:33.39 | longHair | yonkeltron: if your talking about IM, kopete supports msn |
| 05:33.52 | dob1 | cafuego: yes i read in the README.Debian.gz in ppp too |
| 05:33.54 | cafuego | yonkeltron: so is shooting arabs, but you don't see anyone else doing that (well, perhaps americans...) |
| 05:33.57 | yonkeltron | yeah! so does gaim but i need an account first |
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| 05:34.08 | yonkeltron | cafuego: HAHAHA |
| 05:34.11 | cafuego | dob1: Well, there you go, then. |
| 05:34.32 | KerPlunk | What package name do I need to dpkg-reconfigure in order for my XF86Config-4 file to be written? |
| 05:34.34 | kamaraju | I am trying to install madwifi drivers to get my wireless up and running. I found http://kanotix.com/files/debian/pool/m/madwifi/ where the .deb files are offered. Does anyone know if these packages are specific to some kernel versions. I am using 2.6.12, will the above packages work with this kernel? |
| 05:35.03 | cafuego | kamaraju: the madwifi drivers are packaged as source for debian |
| 05:35.09 | cafuego | !find madwifi |
| 05:35.21 | KerPlunk | cafuego: You know? |
| 05:35.23 | kamaraju | KerPlunk: Read the begining comments of /etc/X11/XF86Config4 |
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| 05:35.34 | kamaraju | !find madwifi |
| 05:35.35 | Gonzalo | Is there any reason why after adding a virtual host, apache accepts the domain name but redirects it to the default directory instead of the directory for that host? |
| 05:35.36 | Gnea | 84 |
| 05:35.42 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'madwifi' returned no results. |
| 05:35.50 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'madwifi' returned no results. |
| 05:35.57 | cafuego | Gonzalo: Forgot to enable the vhost or reload apache. |
| 05:36.05 | Gonzalo | No... |
| 05:36.17 | Gonzalo | I enabled the vhost by created a link to it. |
| 05:36.18 | cafuego | Gonzalo: yes |
| 05:36.21 | kamaraju | cafuego: there are no results from !find madwifi |
| 05:36.39 | Gonzalo | cafuego: And then I restarted it Apache. |
| 05:36.40 | cafuego | kamaraju: yeah, it would seem that way |
| 05:37.03 | cafuego | Gonzalo: did you check the vhost before restarting apache and then remmebr to restart it? |
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| 05:37.19 | dob1 | cafuego: this interface mode at boot is launched from networking script in /etc/init.d ? |
| 05:37.20 | Gonzalo | cafuego: yes. |
| 05:37.35 | dob1 | just to know the priority, i mean the Sxx |
| 05:37.36 | cafuego | Gonzalo: Delete the firefox cache, quit firefox, start firefox, now it works |
| 05:37.43 | cafuego | dob1: yep |
| 05:37.50 | Gonzalo | Let me try that... |
| 05:37.57 | cafuego | dob1: So anything that depends on the network is started later anyway |
| 05:38.28 | Gonzalo | cafuego: No dice... |
| 05:38.55 | cafuego | Gonzalo: telnet to the vhost, type in the actual http headers, see what it returns. |
| 05:38.58 | ke6isf | Abuse report sent. |
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| 05:40.13 | dob1 | cafuego: but the networking script is in rcS.d, why not in rc2.d ? |
| 05:40.17 | Gnea | 6 8 4 8 8. |
| 05:40.17 | cafuego | Gonzalo: What is the vhost in question? I'll check it from this end. |
| 05:40.30 | cafuego | dob1: So that it starts in ALL runlevels |
| 05:40.42 | cafuego | dob1: rc.S runs first, THEN rc.? |
| 05:41.00 | dob1 | first ? |
| 05:41.00 | deadcat | cafuego: teh S for single? |
| 05:41.21 | cafuego | dob1: Yes, first |
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| 05:41.30 | dob1 | cafuego: an S90 in rcS.d is launched before an S10 in rc2.s for example ? |
| 05:41.40 | cafuego | dob1: single user mode: S -> multi-user -> 2 (or 3, or 4, or 5) |
| 05:41.51 | deadcat | cool |
| 05:41.51 | cafuego | dob1: yes |
| 05:42.00 | cafuego | deadcat: Ah, no. |
| 05:42.04 | cafuego | S = start, single = 1 |
| 05:42.33 | deadcat | cafuego: S as in /etc/rcS.d |
| 05:42.39 | cafuego | deadcat: Yes. |
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| 05:44.15 | russ- | Gonzalo: is there a RedirectMach directive in the default Virtualhost? |
| 05:44.28 | carlin | hello, any people know above linux ubuntu |
| 05:44.36 | cafuego | carlin: #ubuntu |
| 05:44.58 | ke6isf | carlin: Not in here, no. |
| 05:45.10 | deadcat | carlin: ya. leave this room. walk left. 2 doors down the hall, make a right. |
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| 05:45.40 | carlin | ok... or any people above DNS ? |
| 05:45.58 | ke6isf | carlin: I know DNS, but I'm not going to help you unless you install Debian. |
| 05:46.03 | lindenle | ha ha |
| 05:46.07 | cafuego | Hmm, I can smell the stink of C++ |
| 05:46.11 | russ- | heh |
| 05:46.30 | cafuego | dan2: hi |
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| 05:48.39 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: it's a definetely pungent odor... |
| 05:48.57 | longHair | what is wrong with c++ |
| 05:49.05 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: yes, and unlike cat urine, it's not pleasant |
| 05:49.13 | deadcat | longHair: OOP (= |
| 05:49.14 | carlin | ke6isf, very sorry |
| 05:49.18 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: "unlike"? |
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| 05:49.25 | ke6isf | cafuego: Cat urine is pleasant? =O.o= |
| 05:49.25 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: *nod* |
| 05:49.27 | frumious-0 | dondelelcaro, cafuego: please explain the joke. |
| 05:49.31 | cafuego | ke6isf: compared to C++, sure |
| 05:49.37 | donno | chmod: ivalid mode: --refence=/etc/shells (any idea hwo to fix it |
| 05:50.02 | cafuego | frumious-0: Pick up any c++ book |
| 05:50.07 | donno | More info: Chrooted, upgrading bash, on damn small linux |
| 05:50.08 | ke6isf | carlin: Please note that we will not support Ubuntu. Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 05:50.09 | S | hola algen habla español |
| 05:50.14 | ke6isf | !es |
| 05:50.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:50.14 | dondelelcaro | donno: you're trying to give an invalid mode of --refence to some file; |
| 05:50.16 | cafuego | !es |
| 05:50.22 | frumious-0 | cafuego: I have picked up many. |
| 05:50.31 | donno | k |
| 05:50.32 | cafuego | frumious-0: Well, there you go, then. |
| 05:50.34 | carlin | ok.. tankyou ke6isf |
| 05:50.41 | donno | so got any idea how to stop it/fix it. |
| 05:50.46 | dondelelcaro | donno: and #damnsmalllinux is that way --> |
| 05:50.54 | carlin | but, any comands is equals ... |
| 05:51.04 | dondelelcaro | donno: try chmod MODE -- --stupidfile; |
| 05:51.04 | ke6isf | carlin: Ubuntu. Is. Not. Debian. |
| 05:51.06 | donno | already got it |
| 05:51.08 | donno | k |
| 05:51.29 | donno | already in damnsmalllinux but its a live cd so apt-getting isn't everyone strong point |
| 05:51.36 | ke6isf | Oy gevalt, fscking full moon... |
| 05:52.05 | donno | unelss there a way to confuire apt-get NOT to do it |
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| 05:52.25 | dondelelcaro | donno: this is #debian; you won't see that error here unless you're running chmod manually, since chmod doesn't have such an option; unless you're misspelling --reference or something. |
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| 05:52.28 | britt | could anybody help me with a problem with cyrus? |
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| 05:52.38 | deadcat | donno: ya. you need to download some files from dsl to get apt-get working. he removed some stuff to save space |
| 05:52.48 | lindenle | dpkg-restore |
| 05:52.49 | donno | LISTEN APT-get Works. |
| 05:52.52 | donno | already done that |
| 05:52.56 | lindenle | ok |
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| 05:53.10 | donno | i already install packages etc its with bash is the problem |
| 05:53.17 | Gnea | britt: the program or the package? |
| 05:53.27 | deadcat | donno: i am not listening..... * find my happy place * |
| 05:53.38 | deadcat | ahahhah |
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| 05:53.49 | cafuego | donno: telling us which command prints that error might help, too |
| 05:53.56 | britt | Gnea: the program...i think. package installed and working, but i cannot access my mail. i'm forgetting something simple |
| 05:54.18 | donno | apt-get install -f (problem first orrcured when apt-get install bash |
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| 05:54.23 | cafuego | britt: did you convert the mailboxes? |
| 05:54.24 | Gnea | britt: ah, i'm not a cyrus guru, maybe someone else is... or #cyrus |
| 05:54.30 | britt | ah |
| 05:54.34 | britt | bye people |
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| 05:54.42 | dondelelcaro | donno: yes, and it's because dpkg, apt-get, or the postinsts are using the --references option to chmod. |
| 05:54.45 | cafuego | britt: If not, purge cyrus and install courier. |
| 05:54.48 | Gnea | oh wow |
| 05:54.52 | dondelelcaro | donno: you'll need to get a real version of chmod that supports --reference. |
| 05:54.56 | ke6isf | cafuego: ...you missed. =^^= |
| 05:54.58 | donno | oh okay |
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| 05:55.26 | cafuego | ke6isf: well you know, it's sunday, there's no law... *mumblemumble* |
| 05:55.55 | ke6isf | cafuego: Hey, it's still Saturday here where I am. At least, for another hour. =^^= |
| 05:56.02 | cafuego | That and after printing artwork onto over 50 CDRs my brain is melting |
| 05:56.13 | ke6isf | !coffee cafuego |
| 05:56.17 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: blech |
| 05:56.34 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Hey, can I /msg you a second? |
| 05:56.39 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: yah |
| 05:56.51 | cafuego | only 10 or so to go |
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| 05:59.25 | daos | this may be a stupid questions, but I upgraded to sarge and I can't seem to do a /etc/init.d/iptables save? can anyone help? |
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| 06:00.37 | sonne | daos, ... save <name> |
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| 06:01.05 | curby | i want to act as a dns cache to my local network and am thinking of using dnsmasq. is there any reason for me to prefer djbdns or bind if i want to just do something simple? i have no interest in serving DHCP at this time |
| 06:01.24 | daos | sonne: yeah but theres not even an iptables comand in the directory? |
| 06:02.10 | cafuego | daos: it got removed from sarge. |
| 06:02.18 | lindenle | daos : there is an iptables channel |
| 06:02.20 | curby | daos: you can do iptables-save directly if the init script doesn't do it |
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| 06:02.55 | cafuego | daos: http://ftp.cc.com.au/pub/users/cafuego/ipt.tgz has the script in it. |
| 06:03.15 | daos | ok thanks, I will check out all those :) |
| 06:03.18 | curby | does anyone else out there use dnsmasq? |
| 06:03.33 | cafuego | !anyone |
| 06:03.33 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 06:03.54 | donno | got it fixed it :thanks to some. |
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| 06:04.42 | curby | i didn't ask if you do =) |
| 06:04.42 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: sure, I can't guarantee that I'll answer, though. |
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| 06:04.50 | |ryan| | is security.debian.org down? |
| 06:05.04 | cafuego | curby: bind seems to cache just fine |
| 06:05.27 | dondelelcaro | |ryan|: doesn't appear to be; I get 172ms round trip to it |
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| 06:05.39 | curby | cafuego: yeah, it just seems like a hassle to chroot a 10-ton truck to move a few pebbles around |
| 06:05.49 | xbmodder | qmail problem: mail is supposed to also be delivered to: /var/vpopmail/domains/xbmodder.us/xbmoddeer/.maildir but qmail is not doing so. Why not? |
| 06:06.05 | cafuego | xbmodder: sudo apt-get install postfix |
| 06:06.24 | cafuego | curby: then don't chroot it |
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| 06:06.32 | mick_home | what a "fix" you got there |
| 06:06.36 | curby | cafuego: for local caching, why would you prefer bind over dnsmasq? just familiarity? |
| 06:07.00 | cafuego | curby: That, and I also run dns resolution for the lan IP range (and for the vpn and wifi ranges) |
| 06:07.31 | xbmodder | cafuego, I did that earlier -- not fun :( |
| 06:07.52 | mick_home | xbmodder: check the logs... usually that will hint you in the right direction |
| 06:07.55 | curby | cafuego: oh, i wasn't aware that dnsmasq couldn't fake local dns. that's a bit of a pain |
| 06:07.59 | cafuego | xbmodder: postfix+courier+mysql makes for a very neat vmail system |
| 06:08.10 | cafuego | curby: i dunno if it can, never looked at it. :-) |
| 06:08.39 | curby | cafuego: running non-chroot bind isn't considered terribly unsafe anymore? |
| 06:08.41 | rking | every so often (maybe once an hour), my ssh connection to my work box freezes for about 10 seconds. it's annoying and i want to blame someone or something. how can i monitor this, when it is over too quick for me to "mtr", etc? |
| 06:08.55 | |ryan| | dondelelcaro: weird routing problem on my end. |
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| 06:08.59 | cafuego | curby: Not if it's bind9, no. Bind8 is a different matter altogether. |
| 06:09.20 | curby | ah.. i see. i would definitely be running bind9 |
| 06:09.24 | ke6isf | cafuego: I run bind9 as non-chroot; no problems apparent. |
| 06:09.33 | ke6isf | oops... s/cafuego/curby |
| 06:09.36 | cafuego | ke6isf: indeed. |
| 06:10.18 | cafuego | curby: I run bind9 on my primary dns for clients and locally on the lan; works fine in both cases. |
| 06:10.41 | curby | hmm ok. welp, if i can't get dnsmasq working, or feel like learning bind9, i'll give it a try =) |
| 06:10.54 | curby | or maybe i'll start with bind9 anyway heh |
| 06:11.37 | cafuego | cream whipping |
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| 06:13.20 | deadly | hi |
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| 06:16.18 | cafuego | sssshhh. |
| 06:16.46 | m3n0lly | why? |
| 06:17.27 | cafuego | ... they're asleep ... |
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| 06:18.10 | m3n0lly | ah, ok |
| 06:18.26 | EvanCarroll | anyone know how to reinstall grub to the mbr after windows has overwritten it? |
| 06:18.40 | EvanCarroll | I'm reading grub-install but it didn't seem to like it |
| 06:19.01 | rking | EvanCarroll: do you have a rescue disk? |
| 06:19.01 | cafuego | EvanCarroll: boot from the install cd, chroot to the installer, run /sbin/grub-install --no-floppy /dev/hda |
| 06:19.03 | paivakil | grub-install <device> |
| 06:19.19 | ke6isf | m3n0lly: What can we do for you? |
| 06:19.21 | EvanCarroll | rking: I have a live cd, I have already booted into it, and chrooted into the drive with menu.list |
| 06:19.43 | EvanCarroll | cafuego: I tried that, but it is /dev/sda, and no joy |
| 06:19.44 | m3n0lly | ke6isf: nothing, i just felt like poking people ;) |
| 06:19.54 | ke6isf | m3n0lly: Ah, I see. |
| 06:20.08 | cafuego | EvanCarroll: Any specific error or do you get 'bash: no joy' ? |
| 06:20.12 | paivakil | EvanCarroll: so what are errors? |
| 06:20.16 | rking | cafuego: nice. |
| 06:20.21 | daos | cafuego: thanks works a treat now :D |
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| 06:20.46 | cafuego | daos: *nod* they should've never removed it |
| 06:21.09 | urz | I need help with alsa, It seems to be setup, and aps pretend to play, but i hear nothing. |
| 06:21.12 | EvanCarroll | paivakil: auctually this time it said somethign completly different than last time =/ |
| 06:21.21 | cafuego | rking: try googling for 'msh' (marvin shell) |
| 06:21.33 | paivakil | urs is the power to the speakeron? |
| 06:21.34 | EvanCarroll | paivakil: I'm not 100% sure i ddi --no-floppy last time either, just that it didn't ask for it, and there isn't a floppy drive |
| 06:21.44 | EvanCarroll | let me reboot and get back to you. |
| 06:21.46 | paivakil | EvanCarroll: obviously. |
| 06:21.50 | urz | paivakil: it's a laptop, dell inspiron 1100 |
| 06:21.54 | lindenle | urz: does it work as root, might be permissions |
| 06:21.56 | cafuego | EvanCarroll: yeah, --no-floppy just makes it not try to probe, saves some time. |
| 06:22.03 | urz | lindenle: no, i've been trying as root |
| 06:22.07 | lindenle | urz: also did you check mixer |
| 06:22.09 | paivakil | EvanCarroll: do an update-grub too |
| 06:22.18 | urz | lindenle: yes i checked the mixer |
| 06:22.19 | lindenle | alsamixer |
| 06:22.24 | lindenle | ok |
| 06:22.27 | rking | cafuego: "Es wurden keine mit Ihrer Suchanfrage - msh marvin-shell - Ă¼bereinstimmenden Dokumente gefunden." =( |
| 06:22.37 | rking | cafuego: google said, "no joy" |
| 06:22.39 | paivakil | and check /boot/grub/menu.lst before you reboot |
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| 06:22.50 | cafuego | rking: Seit wenn kann Google Deutsch? |
| 06:23.26 | cafuego | OH NO! |
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| 06:23.49 | cafuego | That's funny, the removed vista shell IS actually called msh.exe |
| 06:24.10 | rking | cafuego: i donno - i just have my Firefox Bearbeiten > Einstellungen > Allgemein > Sprachen set to "de_DE" at the top of the list, and Google acts really smart: first, it's localized, second, it favors de results. |
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| 06:24.23 | cafuego | it's prolly from comp.os.sources.* or somesuch |
| 06:24.35 | cafuego | rking: Probably via GeoIP. |
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| 06:25.15 | bitshifty | could someone direct me to an exim4 configuration guide? |
| 06:25.32 | urz | base-config? |
| 06:25.38 | cafuego | /bin/msh |
| 06:25.39 | urz | dpkg-reconfigure base-config |
| 06:25.40 | urz | heh |
| 06:25.45 | cafuego | Marvin's SHell (MSH) version -3.14 |
| 06:25.53 | cafuego | I will not enjoy myself. |
| 06:25.57 | bitshifty | urz, i would like to configure exim4 with my GMail account. |
| 06:26.00 | cafuego | /home/cafuego% |
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| 06:26.05 | rking | cafuego: aaaaaahhhh! =) |
| 06:26.13 | paivakil | bitshifty: does not exim4-doc work? |
| 06:26.20 | paivakil | ask google |
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| 06:26.44 | bitshifty | paivakil, how do i view exim4-doc? |
| 06:26.51 | cafuego | !find marvin |
| 06:26.53 | dpkg | drupal-theme-marvinclassic: ("Marvin Classic" theme for Drupal), section web, is extra. Version: 4.5+20041123-1 (sid), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 06:27.12 | cafuego | no |
| 06:27.31 | KerPlunk | Anyone have an ati/xorg/sid guide? |
| 06:27.37 | paivakil | apt-get install exim4-doc willinstall documentation into /usr/share/doc/exim4-doc/ |
| 06:27.51 | cafuego | rking: Can't find it, must be too old. |
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| 06:27.56 | BibTeX | hello |
| 06:27.59 | paivakil | but asking google is easier, ifyou just want to send mail via gmail using exim4 |
| 06:28.07 | BibTeX | how to make a microphone work on Debian |
| 06:28.11 | urz | bitshifty you could use your isp's smtp server and just write your gmail address in the headers |
| 06:28.16 | BibTeX | what should I install |
| 06:28.21 | BibTeX | what should I install? |
| 06:28.47 | paivakil | BibTeX: plug it in. it ought to work |
| 06:28.47 | bier__ | try it with a soundcard ;) |
| 06:28.49 | rking | BibTeX: you just need the sound stuff working - can you play sounds? |
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| 06:29.02 | BibTeX | yes I can play sounds |
| 06:29.04 | cafuego | rking: I could dcc you a static libc5 version I suppose |
| 06:29.11 | BibTeX | but the microphone is not working |
| 06:29.35 | paivakil | BibTeX: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:29.36 | rking | BibTeX: do you use /dev/dsp? if so, try this: cat /dev/dsp > foo.au; (then hit ^C after saying some stuff); then cat foo.au > /dev/dsp |
| 06:30.01 | BibTeX | I will do ti |
| 06:30.07 | BibTeX | I am trying to use skype |
| 06:30.29 | paivakil | and?? |
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| 06:30.54 | paivakil | BibTeX: does it work with rawrec or other sound recording s/w? |
| 06:31.13 | laoba | I am using Alsa. How do I test mike and speakers of a headset? |
| 06:31.32 | rking | BibTeX: btw, be sure test by dialing Skype's "Echo123" user. |
| 06:31.32 | BibTeX | rking: I did exaclty ehat you have said and heard nothing correct |
| 06:31.35 | BibTeX | it was noise |
| 06:31.54 | rking | BibTeX: hrm... well, can you get this mic to work in any other O/S? |
| 06:32.02 | BibTeX | paivakil: rawrec |
| 06:32.08 | BibTeX | yes |
| 06:32.10 | BibTeX | windows |
| 06:32.11 | BibTeX | ;) |
| 06:32.30 | rking | i still haven't converted my brain to ALSA |
| 06:32.56 | rking | what's the device equivalent to /dev/dsp? |
| 06:33.04 | BibTeX | what di you think guys? |
| 06:33.23 | laoba | where to download the linux version of skype? |
| 06:33.34 | rking | laoba: skype.com |
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| 06:34.14 | laoba | rking, thks. Have you figure out the answer to my first q? |
| 06:34.31 | rking | laoba: gimme a few mins, plz |
| 06:34.51 | laoba | rking, okie dokie. |
| 06:35.22 | rking | BibTeX: well, when i do that foo.au and /dev/dsp stuff, it works (actually, i use dsp1, because i have a sound card on dsp, and my USB headset on dsp1) |
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| 06:36.53 | BibTeX | normaly what should I install? |
| 06:37.16 | rking | BibTeX: nothing more than what it takes to get your sound card working with output |
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| 06:38.05 | BibTeX | UUmm weird |
| 06:38.55 | EvanCarroll | hhahahah |
| 06:39.30 | EvanCarroll | I just started my raid5 server up first time in a few months, watching 'so you have a bad taste in music' |
| 06:39.31 | rking | laoba: well, i just don't know - part of the deal is that i use snd_pcm_oss to have OSS compatibility |
| 06:39.40 | BibTeX | Actually the microphone is not wroking at all |
| 06:40.28 | laoba | rking, its OK, thks for trying. |
| 06:41.01 | cahoot | laoba: got more than one sounddevice? |
| 06:41.01 | rking | laoba: what i mean to say is, you can still get /dev/dsp |
| 06:41.32 | cahoot | laoba: /proc/asound/pcm lists yout devices |
| 06:41.36 | laoba | cahoot, one only, if you don't count the onboard speaker. |
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| 06:42.02 | rking | cahoot: hrm, i don't have a /proc/asound |
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| 06:42.41 | cahoot | laoba: the question is if alsa 'knows' about the onboard - in that case the headset is probably card1 |
| 06:43.02 | cahoot | rking: no alsa then |
| 06:43.10 | rking | cahoot: that's unpossible! |
| 06:43.26 | rking | cahoot: i use alsamixer, aplay, etc... they all work. |
| 06:43.29 | Justin420 | hi, anybody know what i would be seeing "you are not allowed to access this module" in webmin, while trying to view the snort model server, i installed it from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/webmin-snort/webmin-snort_1.1.orig.tar.gz. I was also sure to allow all webmin users to access it?? |
| 06:44.11 | rking | cahoot: ok, i was being totally stupid (i was ssh'd into another box, looking at it's /proc) =) |
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| 06:45.32 | laoba | cahoot, using Intel GBF865, all sound and video on motherboard. There is always a standard speaker on board to beep on error. Besides that, I have a headset connected to the audio sockets. |
| 06:46.12 | cahoot | laoba: did you check /proc/asound/pcm yet? |
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| 06:47.02 | cahoot | laoba: or mabe easier /proc/asound/cards |
| 06:47.06 | cahoot | maybe |
| 06:47.19 | xbmodder | why is qmail trying to use /var/vpopmail/domains/xbmodder.us/xbmodder/Maildir/ and not /var/vpopmail/domains/xbmodder.us/xbmodder/.maildir/ |
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| 06:49.20 | laoba | cahoot, yeh, i did ls /proc/asound/pcm and .../card, no device displayed. |
| 06:50.04 | cahoot | laoba: so /proc/asound/pcm is empty? |
| 06:50.28 | cahoot | laoba: err - cat /proc/asound/pcm |
| 06:50.30 | laoba | cahoot, yeh. |
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| 06:51.39 | Justin420 | should i maybe be asking that question in another channel? |
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| 06:52.37 | dondelelcaro | Justin420: you can try #webmin; most people here don't use it. |
| 06:52.54 | dondelelcaro | Justin420: in fact, if anything, we'd strongly recommend that you stop using it as well. |
| 06:53.03 | dondelelcaro | (/msg dpkg webmin) if you want to see why. |
| 06:53.36 | laoba | cahoot, ok, lot of stuff with cat. Intel ICH5, ADC, IEC958 |
| 06:53.37 | Justin420 | ok sorry about that then. yeah sure ill take your advice, i just started using it. ill see what dpkg dudes gotta say... thanks. |
| 06:54.01 | EvanCarroll | webmin might be worth the risks if there weren't better alternatives to do almost everything |
| 06:54.04 | dondelelcaro | Justin420: yeah, you're far better off learning how to adminster your system using the shell and an editor. |
| 06:54.05 | EvanCarroll | like shorewall |
| 06:54.15 | cahoot | laoba: the headset a usb thingie? |
| 06:54.24 | EvanCarroll | webmin i'm told isn't to shabby with cups |
| 06:54.44 | laoba | cahoot, no, plut into the audio socket at the back panel. |
| 06:54.51 | dondelelcaro | cups has its own web based administration thingie |
| 06:55.07 | cahoot | laoba: so it's attached to the onboardsound device then? |
| 06:55.18 | laoba | cahoot, yep. |
| 06:56.07 | Justin420 | poof, webmin is gone. |
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| 06:56.49 | Justin420 | how should i go about configuring snort? |
| 06:56.52 | cahoot | laoba: if plugged inti the correct socket it really should be just a matter of mixer settings then |
| 06:57.37 | cahoot | laoba: if you want /dev/dsp (i e oss emulation) you need modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 06:57.37 | Justin420 | sending me daily emails is already established, but i was wondering if there was anything more verbose for a mail log to send to me when it finds things? |
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| 06:58.40 | rking | Justin420: like this? http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Snort-Statistics-HOWTO/ |
| 06:58.57 | laoba | cahoot, there's a misunderstanding here, the speakers work, I have sound. I want to know how to test them mike and the speakers, if there is a GUI to do it |
| 06:59.19 | cahoot | laoba: just use aplay |
| 06:59.32 | cahoot | laoba: just use aplay and arecord |
| 06:59.49 | laoba | cahoot, command=aplay? |
| 07:00.08 | Justin420 | thanks rking, ill read up, it seems thats all ive been doing since i got debian, which isnt a bad thing for one to read all the time... but god damn thats alot of reading!!! ive skimmed about 1200 pages within the last 2 weeks |
| 07:00.15 | cahoot | laoba: aplay --help |
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| 07:00.37 | rking | laoba: those come with alsa-utils, by the way. (there's a chacne you don't have that pkg installed) |
| 07:03.20 | laoba | rking, cahoot, I have aplay. --help comes up with a lot of options. is there a GUI such that when i speak into the mike, the ouput will appear as graphically? |
| 07:04.00 | Justin420 | i cant get my tv-tuner card to work for debian, i get a poopy picture, and all i get for sound is static... i have my sound going to my stereo receiver, im using a sb live! value 5.1, but i only have one line out going out to the reciever, instead of two?? or is this once again a question suited for a different channel? |
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| 07:05.03 | rage_ | Hey guys, I'm in a typical share house shared internet style place :-) does anyone know of any good traffic reporting packages? Mainly just after a graph of bytes per day per IP address |
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| 07:05.32 | SimonRaven | thanks LoRez ;p |
| 07:05.34 | rking | Justin420: no, this is the right place - sometimes it takes patience though |
| 07:05.45 | SimonRaven | tab complete more carefully next time ;) |
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| 07:05.55 | laoba | rage_, try Gkrellm. |
| 07:06.02 | Justin420 | oh thats cool, i wasnt trying to be rude or nothin, i was just wondering if it was the right chan |
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| 07:06.12 | Justin420 | i can wait all nite |
| 07:06.18 | SimonRaven | LoRez: no worries, i know why |
| 07:06.25 | rage_ | laoba: little too simple for me |
| 07:07.07 | rage_ | since our net is on a quota I would like to see who gets more than their fair share each month :-) |
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| 07:07.17 | laoba | rage_, in that case I would be interested in what you can get too. |
| 07:07.24 | rage_ | yeah :-) |
| 07:08.24 | rking | laoba: just do arecord foo.wav; then say some stuff, hit ^C, then try: aplay foo.wav |
| 07:08.36 | rage_ | I've been using EtherApe to see whos leeching all the upload bandwidth with their torrenting :-) EtherApe is a pretty, graphical little toy that I've put on my box sharing the net, gives me a nice idea of whos doing what |
| 07:08.46 | rage_ | doesnt help me see whos doing how much though :-) |
| 07:09.24 | rking | Justin420: the trick to this channel is just asking at the right time - and this is basically being lucky. |
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| 07:11.01 | rking | Justin420: and don't hesitate to try to answer other peoples' questions in between [re]asking your questions, a person can learn a lot that way |
| 07:11.17 | Justin420 | ive done sorta a little bit of that already... |
| 07:11.26 | Justin420 | and im a debian newbie |
| 07:11.56 | valdyn_ | Justin420: you want to debug your tv-tuner problem 1 by 1, so dont use your soundcard, plug a earphones or whatever directly into your tv tuner, try. |
| 07:11.59 | rking | so, about your TV card - have you googled to be sure that there's linux support for it? |
| 07:11.59 | Justin420 | i would be more than happy to contribute to helping others, if i could help myself figure out crap first! :) |
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| 07:12.37 | Justin420 | its a ati-tv wonder pro with remote control |
| 07:12.40 | SpinX | i keep getting an error during shorewall start; WEEOE: No policy defined for zone fw to zone net. |
| 07:12.51 | Justin420 | i was stupid and did not google that first no, sorry. |
| 07:12.51 | SpinX | ERROR^ even.. dang. |
| 07:13.22 | Justin420 | rking: i also have a ati-radeon ve |
| 07:13.57 | valdyn_ | SpinX: so define a policy for the zone 'fw' ? |
| 07:14.13 | SpinX | i have. |
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| 07:14.28 | paivakil | SpinX: if you are using a stand alone box, just use firehol |
| 07:14.40 | SpinX | why |
| 07:14.43 | rking | Justin420: i'd help you google for the right info, but i'm falling asleep |
| 07:14.46 | valdyn_ | SpinX: paste it here, the policy |
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| 07:14.54 | laoba | rking, arecord responded with "Recording WAVE ...", i spoke on the mike, CTrl-C, then aplay, which responded with "Playing WAVE..." but no sound. |
| 07:15.03 | SpinX | i've tried alot of stuff, right now I Got net net ACCEPT fw ? |
| 07:15.20 | valdyn_ | SpinX: thats not valid shorewall syntax.. |
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| 07:15.42 | SpinX | can you help |
| 07:15.52 | rking | laoba: use alsamixer to make sure things aren't muted (hit the "m" key to toggle mutedness) or that the volume isn't too low on anything (up/down arrows). one weird thing about alsamixer is that "q" doesn't quit, you have to hit escape |
| 07:15.57 | Justin420 | rking:thats cool ill be up another 4 hours aleast, ill have plenty of time to google it, and maybe i might figure it out.... i never did think about using headphones directly from the tv-tuner card, thats a good one. |
| 07:15.59 | valdyn_ | SpinX: 'fw net ACCEPT' |
| 07:16.17 | Justin420 | rking:thanks for helpin |
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| 07:17.28 | SpinX | now says no policy defined fo rzone net to zone fw.. ugh |
| 07:17.38 | curby | is the following a bug? while setting up debian, i enter www.example.com as my domain name. after installation, /etc/hostname correctly has www.example.com, but /etc/hosts has 192.168.0.10 www.example.com.example.com www.example.com, and the command dnsdomainname returns example.com.example.com |
| 07:17.47 | valdyn_ | SpinX: why did you remove the last policy line from the default config? |
| 07:17.51 | SpinX | there.. |
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| 07:18.15 | curby | if that isn't a bug, what am i supposed to do during install-time so that /etc/hosts correctly has 192.168.0.10 www.example.com www ? |
| 07:18.31 | jim | curby: what is a "host name"? |
| 07:18.39 | valdyn_ | SpinX: like: 'all all REJECT info' <- that covers everything, and you put stuff to allow above that. |
| 07:18.45 | jim | what is a "fully qualified domain name"? |
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| 07:18.55 | valdyn_ | jim: jim.domain.com |
| 07:19.25 | curby | ah so /etc/hostname should just have www, not www.example.com |
| 07:19.34 | curby | is that what you're saying? |
| 07:19.41 | SpinX | valdyn_.. that'll deny everything to the box? |
| 07:19.42 | jim | maybe you can show that it's a bug, but maybe at worst it's a UI or documentation problem |
| 07:20.03 | valdyn_ | SpinX: it will REJECT everything |
| 07:20.07 | jim | curby: maybe the explanation while doing the install needs fixing... what do you think? |
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| 07:20.41 | jim | it also depends on the developer's initial thoughts and intent |
| 07:20.47 | curby | jim: seems reasonable... i didn't see any place to put in my domain so i put the fqdn when prompted ... perhaps the prompt wanted a hostname only, without the domain |
| 07:20.48 | valdyn_ | curby: /etc/hostname only gets your hostname, that has nothing directly to do with DNS or fqdn |
| 07:21.14 | SpinX | valdyn_, then.. i'd add ACCEPT fw net tcp port? |
| 07:21.29 | laoba | rking, thks a lot, the arecord and aplay do work. Alsamixer showed that the MIC was not on. |
| 07:21.32 | jim | valdyn_, so you're saying that sometimes the hostname isn't resolvable? |
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| 07:21.48 | valdyn_ | SpinX: why do you keep reversing the syntax? |
| 07:22.00 | jim | taxyn? |
| 07:22.05 | valdyn_ | SpinX: policy isnt about ports. |
| 07:22.09 | SpinX | oh |
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| 07:22.25 | Uberman | i have a question |
| 07:22.27 | Uberman | can anyone help me out? |
| 07:22.36 | jim | is that your question? |
| 07:22.40 | Uberman | ummm no |
| 07:22.41 | dpower | you would have to state the question first |
| 07:22.51 | Uberman | ok, i want to install cheats for the kawaks emulation system |
| 07:22.53 | Uberman | but i am having trouble |
| 07:22.58 | Uberman | i know its not a debian question |
| 07:23.01 | valdyn_ | jim: you could set it up that way yes |
| 07:23.06 | Uberman | but i have always gotten the best help here before |
| 07:23.19 | valdyn_ | jim: im not saying that that makes sense however ;) |
| 07:23.33 | jim | valdyn_: could you elaborate on how and why they are separate concepts? |
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| 07:23.55 | valdyn_ | jim: im sure it has something to do with the history of unix but i dont know details. |
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| 07:23.58 | Uberman | anyone? |
| 07:24.22 | dpower | still no question :/ |
| 07:24.41 | Uberman | i want to know, how can i properly install the cheat files on kawaks emulator? and where can i find the proper cheat file |
| 07:24.43 | Uberman | ? |
| 07:24.48 | Uberman | again, i know its not about debian |
| 07:24.55 | titanium_platypu | this is OT but I'm desperate for an answer: |
| 07:25.15 | valdyn_ | jim: for starters, try ' man gethostbyname ' |
| 07:25.16 | SpinX | valdyn_, how do i block/allow the ports? |
| 07:25.30 | titanium_platypu | I need a piece of software that will download images from all pages linked from a page. I've found plenty of software that downloads images directly linked from a page, but I need it to download images contained within pages linked from a page. |
| 07:25.42 | Uberman | dpower anything? |
| 07:25.47 | jim | under normal circumstances, the machine would have a name... in this example www... and that name would normally be resolvable, if the resolv.conf had nameserver name.server.for.example.com \n search example.com \n |
| 07:25.51 | crime | anyone here ever tried to print to a custom paper size using cups? I can't seem to get it right. |
| 07:25.53 | valdyn_ | SpinX: in /etc/shorewall/rules your 'poke the holes' into what policy sets up |
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| 07:26.27 | valdyn_ | SpinX: now read the docs, the default config files are explaining all this.. |
| 07:26.37 | Uberman | anyone know where i can find emulation help? |
| 07:26.53 | valdyn_ | !kawaks |
| 07:27.02 | Uberman | is that a chatroom? |
| 07:27.03 | halifax | hello is it possible to install the openoffice on a debian sarge amd64 distribution with a deb link? |
| 07:27.07 | Uberman | on what server? |
| 07:27.43 | jim | Uberman: you can strace the emulator executable (warning: this will produce a LOT of output) and look for places it's searching dirs for cheat files |
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| 07:27.54 | halifax | i'd like to add the deb link to my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:28.00 | Uberman | jim how do i do th at? |
| 07:28.03 | valdyn_ | halifax: try #debian-amd64 |
| 07:28.15 | halifax | ok thanx |
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| 07:28.24 | Uberman | because the instructions ive read everywhere say to put the cheat files in the cheat drive |
| 07:28.26 | jim | you need strace, then you would run the command but put strace in the front |
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| 07:28.34 | Uberman | the cheat folder rather |
| 07:28.38 | Uberman | which ive done |
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| 07:28.53 | smoked1 | Could someone tell me what sasl2 is/ |
| 07:28.55 | jim | how do you know that's the cheat folder? |
| 07:29.02 | jim | !sasl |
| 07:29.03 | dpkg | i heard sasl is Simple Authentication and Security Layer, an extensible authentication method defined in RFC 2222. SASL allows for the use of various mechanisms for authentication, which are registered with the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA). a stupid, evil and poorly documented (but necessary) system for smtp auth. |
| 07:29.04 | Uberman | it comes installed with the program |
| 07:29.19 | Uberman | and its the file every instruction ive read says to put the cheat file in |
| 07:29.30 | Uberman | and then the cheat option should run, only it doesnt |
| 07:29.31 | smoked1 | nice |
| 07:29.36 | jim | do the docs say anything about what the cheat file has to be named? |
| 07:29.42 | Uberman | no |
| 07:29.55 | Uberman | i mean, i just DLed the files that were supposed to be cheat files |
| 07:30.00 | Uberman | put them in the proper place |
| 07:30.01 | Uberman | and nothing |
| 07:30.02 | jim | so they can probably be named anything? |
| 07:30.08 | Uberman | im assuming |
| 07:30.21 | Uberman | they are .dat files |
| 07:30.22 | Uberman | i believe |
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| 07:30.56 | jim | another warning... I don't really know anything specific about your situation |
| 07:31.04 | jim | all I can do is help you think about it |
| 07:31.08 | Uberman | ok |
| 07:31.10 | Uberman | i appreciate it |
| 07:31.40 | Uberman | so what do i do? |
| 07:31.50 | jim | ok, it would be nice to know how the program knows where the cheat dir is |
| 07:31.59 | FlopsyPete | I've just added a new server to an intranet. how do I get its hostname/IP into DNS so everyone else on the intranet can use the hostname? |
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| 07:32.24 | chocoIate | hi, even though this sounds more like a question you might ask on the java channel, nobody on there wants to reply lol --hopefully someone here might be able to help. i'm trying to obtain and install the Servlet and JSP Development Kits for the first time. Currently i'm looking at the following download page : http://java.sun.com/j2ee/1.4/download.html <-- it states that OS systems supported, and explicitly only mentions redhat w |
| 07:32.24 | chocoIate | hile i use debian sarge. is this irrelevant and should i go ahead and download it. Surely someone is running JSP on debian sarge |
| 07:32.25 | jim | is it written as text into a text configuration file for the emulator? |
| 07:32.33 | jim | (for example, that is) |
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| 07:33.07 | Uberman | oh |
| 07:33.08 | Uberman | i dont know |
| 07:33.27 | jim | what could you do to find out? |
| 07:33.42 | Uberman | ill look it up |
| 07:33.43 | Uberman | ill brb |
| 07:34.57 | jim | the user documentation will say "the dir is here" but (usually) nothing like "the dir is found by the code in farp.c line 456 - line 465 |
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| 07:35.39 | Uberman | where do i find the user documentation? |
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| 07:36.04 | Uberman | jim do you think you could do a search for kawaks and let me know what you think? |
| 07:36.15 | FlopsyPete | shouldn't the DNS automatically pick the hostname from its own /etc/hosts (which I've added this new hostname to)? |
| 07:36.15 | SpinX | ha reject all all all.. |
| 07:36.41 | valdyn_ | chocoIate: isnt libservlet2.4-java what you are looking for? |
| 07:37.18 | smoked1 | how long do you think till sid is stable? |
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| 07:37.51 | valdyn_ | smoked1: very long, sid never will ever be stable |
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| 07:38.30 | smoked1 | ? |
| 07:38.34 | chocoIate | Valandil, i need the JSP SDK |
| 07:38.38 | FlopsyPete | smoked1: some people hope a year or a year and a half |
| 07:38.43 | SpinX | ERROR: Invalid Action in rule "all all REJECT info " |
| 07:39.05 | smoked1 | kewl |
| 07:39.10 | smoked1 | Then I will too :) |
| 07:39.23 | smoked1 | sarge is the shit |
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| 07:39.34 | Valandil | chocoIate: You hate autocomplete, don't You ;-) |
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| 07:40.18 | FlopsyPete | I've just added a new server to an intranet. how do I get its hostname/IP into DNS so everyone else on the intranet can use the hostname? |
| 07:40.37 | valdyn_ | smoked1: im slightly confused on those java terms, but i used to write servlets on debian years ago, all you need to installed j2sdk and libservlet2.4-java |
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| 07:41.53 | valdyn_ | chocoIate: im slightly confused on those java terms, but i used to write servlets on debian years ago, all you need to installed j2sdk and libservlet2.4-java |
| 07:42.10 | smoked1 | Anyone here ever try openbsd |
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| 07:42.53 | deepan | i dont have a firefox running .. but when i start firefox .. a window comes up and ask me choose a profile.. when i choose one.. it says already in use.. though no firefox is running .. |
| 07:42.55 | valdyn_ | SpinX: you added a policy line to your rules file? |
| 07:43.49 | valdyn_ | deepan: that is leftover from a crashed instance of mozilla-firefox |
| 07:44.11 | chocoIate | Valandil, is the j2sdk a package in debian ? |
| 07:44.13 | SpinX | valdyn_, I got it. |
| 07:44.29 | SpinX | should i use all all REJECT info or DROP though. |
| 07:44.45 | valdyn_ | chocoIate: not directly, its from sun, its installed with the help of make-jpkg, which is in the debian package 'java-package' |
| 07:44.57 | valdyn_ | !java-package |
| 07:44.57 | dpkg | i guess java-package is the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package).only in sarge and sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in woody. This packages lives in 'contrib', so make sure you have that in your sources.list. ... |
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| 07:45.09 | liable | SpinX: have you seen the hotos on the shorewall website? thay are really quite good. |
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| 07:45.36 | liable | fuck me, two typos in 10 words.. |
| 07:45.37 | MJY | rc fglrx-driver 8.14.13-1 Video driver for the ATI graphics accelerators |
| 07:45.37 | MJY | rc fglrx-kernel-2.6.8-2-386 8.12.10-1+2.6.8-2 ATI binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 07:45.42 | MJY | How can I remove those packages with dpkg? |
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| 07:46.27 | valdyn_ | SpinX: its up to you. REJECT informs the 'attacker' that you have a firewall running and that your host exists, DROP does not, but is unfriendly to 'friendly' peers as it does not give them information. |
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| 07:47.10 | chocoIate | Valdyn_ : that definition states that it helps build a .deb file. I want to install the sdk however. I guess that download page is the right place. What confuses me is how they mention on redhat linux |
| 07:47.13 | valdyn_ | SpinX: however, if you have to ask stuff like that you should read general firewall information and probably use a simpler firewall tool |
| 07:47.24 | SpinX | oh. ok. |
| 07:47.26 | HyperStream | -lmp3lame ---> whats the correct name for this packagE? lame-dev? |
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| 07:47.49 | valdyn_ | chocoIate: yea, it creates a deb file that you then install via 'dpkg -i debfile.deb' |
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| 07:48.10 | chocoIate | now that i hit download and i'm taken to a more direct download page, it says "linux" only and does not explicitly state redhat, so possibly this is not specific to one distro but should build on all, or atleast i hope :P |
| 07:48.49 | valdyn_ | chocoIate: probably works on all, there's in any case good reasons to use make-jpkg on it. |
| 07:49.36 | HyperStream | hey can anyone tell me what the name of the lame devel package is? |
| 07:49.53 | smoked1 | After installing dovecot on debain and trying it on freebsd, I have to say that I really like it a bunch |
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| 07:50.11 | valdyn_ | HyperStream: apt-cache search lame -dev |
| 07:50.20 | HyperStream | returns nothing |
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| 07:50.41 | valdyn_ | HyperStream: ops apt-cache search lame "\-dev" |
| 07:50.46 | valdyn_ | !tell HyperStream about marillat |
| 07:50.52 | HyperStream | ive installed lame liblame0 |
| 07:50.58 | HyperStream | but mythtv still wants -lmp3lame |
| 07:51.02 | HyperStream | which is the dev tools |
| 07:51.17 | HyperStream | apt-cache doesnt return anything as im using 5 of the debian cd's |
| 07:51.31 | valdyn_ | HyperStream: its in the marillat repository |
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| 07:52.29 | HyperStream | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main there is no way to manually download this fine as im at a internet cafe atm that has a cd burner etc |
| 07:52.51 | valdyn_ | HyperStream: so download liblame-dev from there.. |
| 07:53.53 | chocoIate | ok, thanks valdyn_ :) |
| 07:53.57 | HyperStream | cant find it on the ftp ... |
| 07:53.58 | cn | how can i do a system backup? |
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| 07:54.04 | chocoIate | just noticed i had been calling you Valandil the whole time lol |
| 07:54.06 | chocoIate | :P |
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| 07:54.42 | Valandil | chocoIate: that was what I meant with: You hate autoreply ;-) |
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| 07:54.55 | chocoIate | :) |
| 07:54.58 | valdyn_ | HyperStream: for sarge? |
| 07:55.00 | Valandil | autocomplete |
| 07:55.02 | HyperStream | yes |
| 07:55.31 | HyperStream | i386 unstable |
| 07:55.44 | valdyn_ | HyperStream: unstable isnt sarge |
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| 07:56.12 | cat | unstable is sid |
| 07:56.14 | HyperStream | o well im running unstable apt sources , |
| 07:56.23 | HyperStream | ahh yep well thats what it is. sorry my bad |
| 07:56.29 | HyperStream | just in a huge rush is all :/ |
| 07:57.44 | valdyn_ | HyperStream: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/l/lame/liblame-dev_3.96.1-1_i386.deb |
| 07:58.22 | HyperStream | oo in pool |
| 07:58.32 | HyperStream | thank you sooo much valdyn_ you saved my life ! |
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| 08:00.21 | liable | make sure you get any deps if there are any.. |
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| 08:01.06 | digger3 | where can I access the partition tool used in the installation of debian sarge, AFTER the installation? :) |
| 08:01.19 | valdyn_ | digger3: i think you cannot |
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| 08:01.59 | liable | digger3: use cfdisk, its pretty easy. |
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| 08:03.13 | cn | i want to a backup of / and restore it on another hd how can i do? |
| 08:03.30 | digger3 | liable: yes it is, but it doesn't offer the nice raid options, tha installer partition tool offers :) |
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| 08:04.21 | Ni55e | morning, how could I stop loading of the std vesa fb modules? I have a G450 card which means that I rather would like to use the matroxfb module instead |
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| 08:06.41 | Ni55e | i've even tried to rename the hotpluc and discover "binaries" but still all modules load |
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| 08:07.38 | deepan | can some one visit this site and tell me if the "bookmark Wesite" icon in this site works.. http://users.kaski-net.net/~deepan/ |
| 08:08.09 | digger3 | deepan: it does |
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| 08:09.31 | ke6isf | deepan: Doesn't seem to at my end. Running Firefox latest for Sarge |
| 08:09.41 | deepan | digger3: what browser do you use.. it does work on firefox.. |
| 08:09.50 | deepan | sorry does not work on firefox |
| 08:09.54 | digger3 | deepan: firefox |
| 08:10.03 | ke6isf | digger3: What results did you get? |
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| 08:10.14 | jnc | ke6isf: latest != a version |
| 08:10.21 | jnc | !tell ke6isf about latest |
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| 08:10.33 | digger3 | deepan: ow wait, no it does show a website icon, but not in the bookmarks, sorry |
| 08:10.45 | SerajewelKS | i accidentally deleted a few files, and am planning on using e2undel to undelete them. the problem is that the files are on / -- is it generally safe to remount / as read-only while stuff is running, so this can be done? |
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| 08:10.47 | akhthar | I got error no# when I restarted mysql |
| 08:10.57 | akhthar | can anyone tell me what's the issue? |
| 08:10.58 | ke6isf | jnc: OK, Firefox 1.0.4-2sarge1. |
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| 08:11.20 | ke6isf | akhthar: Probably if we see the error it would help. |
| 08:11.21 | digger3 | firefox 1.0.6 here |
| 08:11.26 | akhthar | the problem's with tables_priv.MYI(under mysql database) |
| 08:11.29 | peterS | SerajewelKS: it'll either work or complain. if it works it's safe, though some software will have problems |
| 08:11.46 | SerajewelKS | peterS, what's the command to remount again? |
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| 08:11.53 | peterS | SerajewelKS: mount -o remount,ro / |
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| 08:11.58 | akhthar | ke6isf: Can't open file: 'tables_priv.MYI'. (errno: 138) |
| 08:12.04 | peterS | SerajewelKS: it'll probably complain that someone is reading+writing to a file there, though |
| 08:12.34 | ke6isf | akhthar: OK, that helps. Being unfamiliar with MySQL, couldn't tell you what it means, but that errno there is your answer. Check the documentation. |
| 08:12.37 | SerajewelKS | peterS, yeah.. is there a single-user runlevel? |
| 08:12.46 | cahoot | deepan: works in konq not in ff |
| 08:12.59 | Ni55e | do i do i need to roll a own kernel with matroxfb modules static to be sure of the module? |
| 08:13.03 | peterS | SerajewelKS: runlevel 1. but it might be easiest just to hit your power switch, then power back on and boot with the 'emergency' boot argument |
| 08:13.09 | SerajewelKS | and will it be easier/harder to recover on ext3 (as compared to ext2) |
| 08:13.17 | deepan | cahoot: thanks.. |
| 08:13.32 | akhthar | ke6isf:I checked it, but could not find the fix. I downgraded mysql from 4.1.x to 4.0.x just now that caused the issue |
| 08:13.36 | cahoot | deepan: as is the case with my personal favicon |
| 08:13.55 | Ni55e | deepan: deoesn'nt work in safari |
| 08:13.55 | peterS | SerajewelKS: ext2 is easier. I haven't tried e2undel on either for a long time though |
| 08:13.57 | ke6isf | akhthar: Don't do that then. |
| 08:14.02 | akhthar | ke6isf: MySQL error: 138 = Unsupported extension used for table |
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| 08:14.18 | SerajewelKS | peterS, okay thanks |
| 08:14.28 | akhthar | <ke6isf: Actually it was a fix for another problem |
| 08:14.43 | ke6isf | akhthar: My suspicion then is that there's something in that .MYI file that 4.0 doesn't like. |
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| 08:16.36 | Ni55e | now im almost crying, how could I stop the discover and hotplug process (or is it something elese that autoloads the modules) |
| 08:17.05 | valdyn_ | Ni55e: there's not 'hotplug' process constantly running, your kernel calls /sbin/hotplug |
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| 08:17.24 | sciboy | Hi, whats the command line way to upload a file to ftp? |
| 08:17.31 | akhthar | ke6isf: me too think so |
| 08:17.40 | sciboy | gFTP keeps dying on me every few moments... |
| 08:17.47 | ke6isf | sciboy: ftp, ncftp, or sftp. |
| 08:17.54 | sciboy | ke6isf: |
| 08:18.04 | peterS | sciboy: dying as in crashing, or just the upload is dying? |
| 08:18.05 | sciboy | ke6isf: I was asking about the command within those applications. |
| 08:18.11 | ke6isf | sciboy: Ah. |
| 08:18.14 | peterS | sciboy: 'put' |
| 08:18.16 | sciboy | peterS: As in crashing. |
| 08:18.22 | peterS | sciboy: or 'send' is usually a synonym |
| 08:18.33 | Ni55e | valdyn_: yeah, but I renamed /sbin/hotplug to /hotplug.disable but still all my modules loads at boot |
| 08:18.39 | ke6isf | sciboy: Universally, it's 'put $filename $filename2', where $filename2 is a new filename on the remote server (optional) |
| 08:18.41 | sciboy | So: put /home/sciboy/cityscape/cityscape-1.svgz ? |
| 08:18.55 | ke6isf | sciboy: If that's where the file resides, yes |
| 08:19.01 | peterS | sciboy: yeah, or 'lcd /home/sciboy/cityscape' then 'put cityscape-1.svgz' |
| 08:19.01 | sciboy | Cool... |
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| 08:19.03 | valdyn_ | Ni55e: that is not hotplug then, that is 'discover', gets started at /etc/init.d/discover |
| 08:19.07 | cahoot | Ni55e: 2.6 kernel - maybein /etc/modprobe.d |
| 08:19.13 | peterS | sciboy: lcd meaning change directory locally rather than on the ftp server |
| 08:19.25 | valdyn_ | Ni55e: both tools have a blacklist in /etc/ aswell. |
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| 08:19.41 | gimbal | quote: Debian: "I'm seeing far more Debian than any report gives it credit for," says one technologist working for a large vendor that has partnerships with Red Hat and SuSE. "Red Hat and SuSE may sell more, so they show up on surveys that follow sales. But in terms of actual implementation, Debian is pretty big. I'm sure there are more enterprise machines running Debian than FreeBSD." The same guy calls himself "a professiona |
| 08:19.41 | gimbal | open source thorn" and says his company "is moving in a positive direction, just not fast enough for me." - source: http://www.searls.com/feb04-lfs-diyit.html |
| 08:19.45 | ke6isf | sciboy: Most CLI ftp clients will also have a help option. Type 'help' for details. |
| 08:19.56 | gimbal | just ran on that; thought it was worth mentioning |
| 08:20.06 | sciboy | ke6isf: Thanks. =) |
| 08:20.14 | peterS | gimbal: not terribly surprising. I've had the same impression |
| 08:20.19 | cahoot | Ni55e: if all else fail - try grep for vesafb in /etc ? |
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| 08:20.46 | vrt | I upgraded my unstable server the other day and my services all died, library loading problems, anyone else experience this? |
| 08:20.55 | ke6isf | gimbal: I'd guess there's a slight possibility that the so-called Debian based distros are kind of padding our numbers. =^_^= |
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| 08:21.17 | gimbal | peterS: cool; I've not had any spot to really have a look, as still. I might grumble on this, but what the hey |
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| 08:21.22 | derflo | how can I tell apt-get to ignore missing packages? |
| 08:21.23 | gimbal | ke6isf: heh |
| 08:21.31 | peterS | ke6isf: as long as knoppix users come into #debian thinking they're running some slight variant that is essentially debian, they might be telling the pollsters the same thing, eh? |
| 08:21.34 | Ni55e | cahoot: vesafb only in discover.conf as skip vesafb |
| 08:21.37 | valdyn_ | derflo: you should not even think about this. |
| 08:22.07 | vrt | anyone running unstable? |
| 08:22.11 | derflo | valdyn_: he tells me that libjack0.80* is not installable, but I have livjack0.100* |
| 08:22.14 | Ni55e | valdyn_: I even renamed discover in init.d to discover.disable |
| 08:22.21 | Ni55e | :( |
| 08:22.25 | ke6isf | peterS: Indeed. =^^= |
| 08:22.27 | valdyn_ | derflo: so both packages are probably not compatible. |
| 08:22.30 | cahoot | Ni55e: as suggested yesterday - add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklidst |
| 08:22.47 | valdyn_ | derflo: no point fucking with dependencies really, if stuff depends on something then it needs just that. |
| 08:22.51 | gimbal | for what it's worth, I think Ubuntu is good at describing their relation to Debian. THey've a whole page about it : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view |
| 08:22.56 | derflo | but if libjack0.80 is not installable, i cann't install konqueror and mplayer and... |
| 08:22.58 | ke6isf | vrt: Nobody really "runs" unstable, near as I can tell. They just kind of debug it and try and make it work. |
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| 08:23.14 | SerajewelKS | well that sucks |
| 08:23.19 | valdyn_ | derflo: thats true. |
| 08:23.25 | valdyn_ | derflo: maybe you shouldnt be running unstable in the first place? |
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| 08:23.29 | gimbal | ke6isf: running it here; rarely a problem with it |
| 08:23.37 | Ni55e | cahoot: as recieved information yesterday donethat been there but still ...... |
| 08:23.38 | vrt | ke6isf: untill the new stable I am sure a lot of people were running it |
| 08:23.40 | SerajewelKS | not only were my files not found, but mysqld refuses to start, even though the pid-file is not there |
| 08:23.42 | derflo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:23.55 | derflo | valdyn_: so that's crap |
| 08:23.58 | ke6isf | gimbal: ...the smiley was invisible. Yeah, that's it. =^_^= |
| 08:24.13 | peterS | derflo: he's right though |
| 08:24.22 | gimbal | only "problem" I can recall with unstable is when someone has uploaded a package, for which not all dependencies are yet available; it doesn't stay a "problem" for long, heh |
| 08:24.28 | derflo | that was my fucking experiment with the jack soundserver |
| 08:24.29 | peterS | derflo: unstable is ... what's the word I'm looking for? oh yeah, unstable. |
| 08:24.30 | gimbal | ke6isf: cool |
| 08:24.45 | SerajewelKS | !unstable |
| 08:24.46 | dpkg | from memory, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid |
| 08:24.53 | Ni55e | cahoot: could i add matroxfb as a parameter to the kernel when booting? |
| 08:25.22 | SerajewelKS | peterS, how do i start mysqld now? |
| 08:25.23 | derflo | all went fine until my jack-excurse |
| 08:25.29 | valdyn_ | Ni55e: is vesafb in your /etc/modules ? |
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| 08:25.33 | peterS | derflo: the problems with C++ libraries, and collateral damage to JACK apps, are well known |
| 08:25.37 | cahoot | Ni55e: yse but I'd test it from commandline first |
| 08:25.43 | Ni55e | vildyn_: nope |
| 08:25.48 | peterS | SerajewelKS: I don't run mysql, so you're on your own |
| 08:25.49 | derflo | peterS: so I sould have asked someone before... |
| 08:26.01 | SerajewelKS | uh well |
| 08:26.05 | valdyn_ | Ni55e: try adding matroxfb there, if that doesnt 'fix' it then you probably have vesafb compiled into your kernel. |
| 08:26.06 | vrt | I would would rather use testing of unstable, the names say enough, but testing doesn't have security updates, which makes it useless |
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| 08:26.44 | vrt | * testing INSEAD OF unstable |
| 08:26.46 | valdyn_ | vrt: sid also does not have security updates. |
| 08:26.51 | peterS | derflo: unstable will slowly creep back to usability over the next month or so, I'm guessing. it already got as bad as it's likely to get. though one never has any guarantees |
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| 08:27.18 | peterS | derflo: ...I mean between the sarge and etch releases. the major breakage was intentionally planned for just after sarge was released (in early June). |
| 08:27.23 | Ni55e | valdyn_: nope std kernel vesa not compiled in but gets loaded as module at boot |
| 08:27.27 | SerajewelKS | is there something i need to rm when starting mysql after a system crash? |
| 08:27.40 | SerajewelKS | the pid-file and socket are gone, so those aren't the problem |
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| 08:27.55 | derflo | peterS: shit! ok, thanks for this info. this will save lot's of time... |
| 08:28.01 | gimbal | anyone know if there is any notable, maybe single, maybe largest commercial presence behind debian, e.g. suitable for considering i.r.t commercial-agency support? I know there's a list at debian.org of vendors, but I cannot figure what more to make of it |
| 08:28.01 | valdyn_ | Ni55e: so add matroxfb to /etc/modules, that gets loaded before anything else. |
| 08:28.25 | valdyn_ | gimbal: there isnt. |
| 08:28.31 | tarzeau | !consultants |
| 08:28.31 | dpkg | consultants is, like, http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 08:28.31 | gimbal | s/vendors/consultants-or-something/ |
| 08:28.32 | peterS | valdyn_: indeed - easier just to not give the problem module a chance to cause a problem (: |
| 08:28.33 | derflo | peterS: this is my firs major problem with unstable since...... 3 years! |
| 08:28.39 | tarzeau | gimbal: check that. where do you live? |
| 08:28.47 | peterS | valdyn_: but /etc/modules isn't *quite* first - the initrd happens first, and it can load modules |
| 08:28.47 | vrt | valdyn_, I read it did |
| 08:28.48 | gimbal | tarzeau: central california |
| 08:28.59 | tarzeau | gimbal: you need to deploy debian on 1000+ machines? |
| 08:29.00 | valdyn_ | peterS: ops, yea, true. |
| 08:29.02 | SerajewelKS | derflo, because it's taken that long for sarge to get released ;) |
| 08:29.16 | derflo | *g |
| 08:29.20 | Ni55e | valdyn_: did that and the modules get loaded but STILL all the vesa/vga get in there first |
| 08:29.27 | gimbal | tarzeau: not sure; it's a lark, but I"m hoping I might be able to propose it to one locally hq'd retail corp, with approx 89 stores around (probably mostly west-coast, yet) |
| 08:29.33 | derflo | is testing usable? |
| 08:29.46 | tarzeau | gimbal: that sounds interesting. |
| 08:29.50 | tarzeau | derflo: no |
| 08:29.54 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 08:29.54 | dpkg | [sid faq] http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 08:29.58 | gimbal | tarzeau: agreed, heh; makint it work would be another thing |
| 08:30.05 | tarzeau | gimbal: that'd be the easy thing |
| 08:30.10 | peterS | Ni55e: ok I'm guessing vesa is embedded in your initrd. check /etc/mkinitrd/* to see if there's a way to tell mkinitrd not to put it there |
| 08:30.15 | tarzeau | gimbal: sarge is so easy to install fully automatic |
| 08:30.17 | valdyn_ | derflo: its 'ok' but there's no guearantee that your favourite package is currently in it. |
| 08:30.22 | gimbal | tarzeau: maybe for someone with enough of a resume to prove hire-ability |
| 08:30.27 | derflo | so you're all using stable? these with these old packages? |
| 08:30.28 | tarzeau | gimbal: and it's so fantastic really, what would the installs need to do? |
| 08:30.36 | tarzeau | gimbal: pity i live in europe... |
| 08:30.37 | derflo | ah, ok |
| 08:30.42 | SerajewelKS | derflo, i use testing, and don't have many problems |
| 08:30.43 | gimbal | I know linux pretty damned well and have done nothing about it, such that I can mark, in much, on a resume |
| 08:30.47 | gimbal | tarzeau: heh, agreed again |
| 08:30.49 | tarzeau | derflo: they are not old, dude. and some use sid |
| 08:31.05 | derflo | I used stable just for a plenty of SuSE-feeling ;-) |
| 08:31.14 | valdyn_ | derflo: you should install stable, you can always 'upgrade' if you must. |
| 08:31.16 | tarzeau | gimbal: are you interested in learning how to automatically install debian on i386 with netbootable nics? |
| 08:31.29 | derflo | and now it sucks.... just like SuSE |
| 08:31.31 | vrt | valdyn_: debian.org does say there is no security updates for testing or unstable, though it does say that unstable gets fixes first and they have to propagate throught to testing after some time |
| 08:31.45 | gimbal | tarzeau: not immediately |
| 08:32.01 | valdyn_ | vrt: yea, it gets flaws and fixes first |
| 08:32.05 | derflo | but unstable has the right to suck |
| 08:32.20 | derflo | hmmm |
| 08:32.35 | valdyn_ | vrt: which probably doesnt make it any more secure than testing. |
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| 08:33.08 | tarzeau | gimbal: end of september? |
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| 08:33.25 | gimbal | tarzeau: hm? |
| 08:33.44 | tarzeau | gimbal: well ask when you need help, it's really very easy |
| 08:33.51 | vrt | valdyn_: I do remember reading this big thread on the debian security list that boiled down to the statements that unstable was better than testing in terms of security, if stable was not good enough |
| 08:34.29 | gimbal | tarzeau: ah; it's not the logistics I'm concerned with so much, but that I cannot even try to take it up, all on my own. I figure -- hypothetical while this all is, very much -- I have to expect that anyone I'd even encounter there would be clueless about linux |
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| 08:34.35 | vrt | valdy_: I would say having to wait several days for updates to propogate would make testing less secure |
| 08:34.41 | ke6isf | Hmm, an update on firefox is coming up in Sarge. |
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| 08:35.22 | derflo | ok this means I'll have to reinstall my debian? |
| 08:35.35 | tarzeau | gimbal: they've got some informatics guy(s)? |
| 08:35.43 | gimbal | "being hired to conver ther systems to linux" would not be the right way to look about it, either, but darn it can be tempting to try to look at it like so |
| 08:35.49 | gimbal | tarzeau: ayup |
| 08:35.59 | derflo | !ubuntu |
| 08:35.59 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
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| 08:36.10 | valdyn_ | vrt: yes, i know that thread, i just dont agree entirely to that conclusion, since sid not only gets fixes first, but it also gets bugs first. |
| 08:36.16 | tarzeau | gimbal: it'd require to teach them about it, and the users how they get their work done. i have no idea what they need to do with their computers... |
| 08:36.51 | gimbal | tarzeau: neither do I, heh -- in much, save EDI -- but I figure that it shouldn't be hard to figure |
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| 08:37.11 | gimbal | tarzeau: good to think about, teaching 'em about it |
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| 08:38.22 | valdyn_ | derflo: downgrading isnt supported, so reinstall, yes |
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| 08:38.54 | gimbal | have had a habit of getting pushy, about software; will have to let up, enough, if this would even be an option. THe trick is that while it seems darned viable, I can't even expect that they *would* hire me. I have nothing to prove myself by, save for myself - and who trusts who any more, especially in proximity to "business"? |
| 08:39.01 | derflo | valdyn_: thanks |
| 08:39.05 | gimbal | getting off topic, but this has been weighing on me, eh |
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| 08:44.57 | gimbal | well, fancy that a company might ever wind up with yay-many systems converted to Debian, at the servers, probably Ubuntu-based-on-debian at the desktops - for the currency, in the desktop systems, and the reliability, on the servers, as attendant with the more gradual (not every-six-months-release) distribution policy of Debian |
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| 08:45.46 | gimbal | could get to know the local LUG / FOSUG [free/open-source] more, heh |
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| 08:48.39 | gimbal | didn't mean to run on like this, just trying to work the thought through; gnight |
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| 08:52.11 | tarzeau | steve-o: have you tried sarge? grub? |
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| 08:52.26 | tarzeau | steve-o: how many disks do you have? |
| 08:52.42 | tarzeau | gimbal: yes visit some local lug |
| 08:52.45 | steve-o | tarzeau well i have this one hard disk with multiple partitions |
| 08:53.03 | tarzeau | steve-o: why don't you jumper it master and put it on the first ide controller, so it appears as hda? |
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| 08:53.08 | tarzeau | steve-o: it'll save you quite some trouble |
| 08:53.21 | tarzeau | steve-o: ibm pc computers suck. and their bioses suck even more. but the pc speakers suck most |
| 08:53.24 | steve-o | no i already have an hda with windows |
| 08:53.50 | tarzeau | steve-o: and you installed lilo to the windows hda one? |
| 08:53.59 | steve-o | no |
| 08:54.05 | steve-o | when i boot i choosein the bios the hdd drive |
| 08:54.31 | tarzeau | steve-o: oh that's even more worse |
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| 08:54.36 | steve-o | no it isnt |
| 08:54.40 | tarzeau | steve-o: yes it is |
| 08:54.49 | tarzeau | steve-o: not all bioses can do such thing |
| 08:54.58 | steve-o | im sure mine could i dont see why not |
| 08:55.00 | tarzeau | steve-o: so i suggest you install grub to mbr on hda |
| 08:55.08 | steve-o | i dont want that |
| 08:55.14 | tarzeau | steve-o: you'll need to configure lilo/grub right and it'll work |
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| 08:55.33 | steve-o | well what do i set boot and root to in debian (/dev/hdd7) |
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| 08:58.37 | Supaplex | !yawn |
| 08:58.38 | dpkg | *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. |
| 08:59.01 | TheStick | !hello |
| 08:59.02 | dpkg | Hi, thestick! |
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| 08:59.17 | TheStick | what's up, dpkg? :D |
| 08:59.45 | cat | !bot |
| 08:59.45 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 09:00.06 | codo|away | dpkg, is very neat :) |
| 09:00.12 | TheStick | !abuse |
| 09:00.12 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 09:00.15 | TheStick | :D |
| 09:00.19 | codo|away | hehe ;) |
| 09:00.25 | TheStick | i love dpkg |
| 09:00.35 | Supaplex | ~start a bot war |
| 09:00.36 | apt | Blootbot kicks every bot's ass |
| 09:00.43 | Supaplex | fro sho |
| 09:01.01 | Supaplex | ~say hi dpkg |
| 09:01.01 | apt | hi dpkg |
| 09:01.02 | codo|away | how many bots are lurking around here ? |
| 09:01.11 | Supaplex | couple few |
| 09:01.18 | Supaplex | anyway... |
| 09:01.18 | codo|away | hi dpkg |
| 09:01.53 | Flendor | !hello |
| 09:01.53 | dpkg | Hi, flendor! |
| 09:01.55 | Flendor | :D |
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| 09:02.22 | dpkg | Hi, codo|away! |
| 09:02.25 | codo|away | :) |
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| 09:07.41 | clavner | kde on sid possible? |
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| 09:08.44 | vb_coder | my laptop has a bad power jack where the power cord plugs in. it doesnt get power when the cord moves and sometimes when the computer is not moving the power will be lost to his computer. im trying to install gentoo from source and cant keep keep my computer on long enough to do it. what can i do? |
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| 09:09.12 | valdyn_ | vb_coder: wrong channel |
| 09:10.38 | liable | !tell clavner about sid faq |
| 09:11.39 | liable | vb_coder: wtf? try #hardware #gentoo why did you come here? |
| 09:12.31 | TheStick | sheesh, how could somebody be proud of coding VB? :D |
| 09:12.41 | TheStick | "yeah, i'm a vb coder" |
| 09:12.49 | Phated | When someone is also running Gentoo. |
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| 09:14.06 | cahoot | obvioulsy managed to trigger a sense of superiority with some |
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| 09:15.01 | Daffy-PKF | hi |
| 09:15.17 | liable | actually, I think it may have been a bad attempt at trolling.. |
| 09:15.25 | dutchfish | how to backup a remote /home dir through a non-root scp connection? |
| 09:15.37 | Phated | "When Trolls Go Wrong"? |
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| 09:15.44 | liable | hah :) |
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| 09:19.12 | gimbal | Phated: GrRR! |
| 09:19.21 | gimbal | j/k |
| 09:19.22 | Phated | Ehm, what? |
| 09:19.27 | Phated | Bah, humbug. |
| 09:19.36 | gimbal | heh |
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| 09:19.45 | davis | hello |
| 09:20.51 | gimbal | davis: y0 |
| 09:21.54 | davis | i have a problem. maybe someone is around who can help. |
| 09:22.06 | davis | i installed debian via cdrom |
| 09:22.34 | davis | but I tried to edit the apt-sources file to add a network src |
| 09:22.55 | davis | for whatever reason, apt-get update screwed up |
| 09:23.03 | Phated | How did it 'screw up'? |
| 09:23.04 | dutchfish | davis, run it again |
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| 09:23.10 | Daffy-PKF | can someone help? i'd like to find a way to know if my ethernet card is in full duplex or not, it uses the forcedeth module (nforce2 ethernet controller) |
| 09:23.20 | davis | i tried to uncomment out the cdrom entrys and re run apt-get update |
| 09:23.30 | davis | however, it screws up again |
| 09:23.38 | davis | im kinda stuck. |
| 09:23.42 | Phated | How did it 'screw up', davis? Be. More. Specific. |
| 09:24.11 | cahoot | davis: used the wrong syntax for the line? |
| 09:24.11 | davis | it says a whole slew of error messages. |
| 09:24.34 | liable | davis: use apt-setup, add a source, comment the rest.. |
| 09:24.39 | Phated | Did you, perhaps, not set up your connection to the net? Is, perhaps, the file you edited fucked? Or, maybe, the source you're trying to use is down? Come on, help us help you. |
| 09:24.48 | davis | unfortunately i can not rerun it right now since im using the computer in win mode so i can get access to chat. |
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| 09:25.23 | liable | davis: so you dont have internet on it? that will generally stop apt from working .. :P |
| 09:25.57 | Phated | Maybe he just doesn't have a IRC client. |
| 09:26.31 | davis | maye if I explain my environment better it will be more clear |
| 09:26.37 | Phated | My god. |
| 09:26.47 | davis | i am in a hotel with only wireless access to internet. |
| 09:27.11 | davis | i have installed the linux partitiion via cdrom. |
| 09:27.26 | Phated | Get your network connection on Linux up, and we'll talk. |
| 09:27.30 | davis | since my cdrom does not have a kernel source with drivers for my net card |
| 09:27.36 | Phated | Heh. |
| 09:27.50 | liable | hah, give up untill you can get on the net.. |
| 09:27.50 | davis | i had to download the 2.6.12-5 kernel via windows. |
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| 09:28.09 | Phated | Go install it, then. We'll wait. |
| 09:28.11 | davis | i used that kernel to build a 2.6 kernel |
| 09:28.11 | Daffy-PKF | does someone have an urld to a big file i can wget? in order to test my download speed (so need to be on a fast server...) |
| 09:28.34 | davis | then i installed wireless tools via cdromm again |
| 09:28.36 | liable | Daffy-PKF: try to get a debian iso.. |
| 09:28.45 | Daffy-PKF | liable, good idea |
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| 09:29.09 | davis | at that point, I thought netowrk would work since I had already used windows to authenticate with wireless router. |
| 09:29.16 | Phated | Ehm... |
| 09:29.18 | Phated | No? |
| 09:29.21 | steve-o | whats the newest version of debian thats avail. ? |
| 09:29.25 | liable | davis: so whats the actuall problem, no internet or fucked sources? |
| 09:29.32 | liable | steve-o: sarge 3.1 |
| 09:29.45 | davis | i was going to add network sources and comment out my cdrom sources. |
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| 09:29.48 | cahoot | 3.1a? |
| 09:29.56 | steve-o | ok i have 3.0 |
| 09:30.11 | davis | when I did a apt-get update, it failed because after a reboot my wireless connection reset. |
| 09:30.16 | davis | so I need authentication. |
| 09:30.21 | miten | on 2.6.12.4 my pcmcia is not functioning....I install mod_init_tools and got atleast lsmod to work ...not pcmcia_core seems to be not working....do I need to recompile or is it that I need to just get pcmcia source and compile it.... |
| 09:30.26 | Phated | So authenticate. |
| 09:30.40 | davis | i only have lynx installed, so I wanted to install ssl and mozilla-firefox |
| 09:30.58 | davis | i removed the comments from the cdrom sources in the apt sources list. |
| 09:30.58 | Phated | iwconfig? |
| 09:31.12 | liable | davis: um, dude, you seem to be confused how it all works, please go and read how to get your driver working first, then how to get wireless to connect, then we can talk about apt sources.. |
| 09:31.17 | davis | and when I did a apt-getupdate it screwed up. |
| 09:31.22 | Phated | Oh, FFS. |
| 09:31.27 | davis | no, i have network |
| 09:31.27 | Daffy-PKF | hmmmm, i'm not going more that 30K/s through nat... i should go 250... can someone help me find the problem? i'm suspecting my ethernet card is in half-duplex but don't know how to check |
| 09:31.34 | davis | i have iwconfig |
| 09:31.36 | miten | for Genuine Intel Pentium II Mendocino what processor type should I select while doing make......I choose pre-coppermine....I guess its correct? |
| 09:31.45 | cahoot | Daffy-PKF: mii-tool? |
| 09:32.00 | Daffy-PKF | cahoot, tried, it don't want to say anything |
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| 09:32.16 | davis | its just that the hotel wireless requiries ssl to enter login name and passwd to authenticate |
| 09:32.23 | davis | i dont have ssl installed |
| 09:32.26 | Phated | Ah, one of those fucked systems. |
| 09:32.51 | liable | miten: use debian images, or try google, we arent really into giving kernel help here, when there are perfectly good debian images. |
| 09:32.52 | davis | and i cant install it via cdrom because apt is confused for some reason |
| 09:33.00 | Phated | If you can't auth and get online, you do not "have network". |
| 09:33.14 | Phated | davis: Commented out your internet sources yet? |
| 09:33.19 | davis | yes |
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| 09:33.39 | dutchfish | davis, maybe man apt (look for clean) |
| 09:33.51 | Phated | So ensure you a) have cdrom sources uncommented b) have internet sources commented, c) the cdrom is in the drive, d) run apt-get update again. |
| 09:34.33 | CyzarX | hello all. how to mount an external hdd in debian?? (notebook hdd, 40GB with fat32 partition) |
| 09:34.50 | davis | do i uncomment all 7 cd entries or do I do themm one at a time as I insert the cdrom? |
| 09:34.50 | liable | davis: ffs, you started with one question, now after five minutes we are actually getting to the actual problem. please work out how to ask smart questions, so we dont get the shits with you and will actually want to help. |
| 09:34.51 | Phated | CyzarX: connect the hdd, man mount. USB connection? |
| 09:35.10 | CyzarX | phated, yes, usb connection |
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| 09:35.29 | Phated | CyzarX: connect it, and check dmesg, you should be able to find out what device it is. man mount. |
| 09:35.37 | Phated | liable: Good luck to you. |
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| 09:35.48 | CyzarX | phated, what should i put in my fstab ? |
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| 09:36.11 | liable | Phated: yeah, I have a desk handy to bang head on :P |
| 09:36.14 | dutchfish | how to backup a remote /home dir through a non-root scp connection? |
| 09:36.23 | Phated | CyzarX: Why bother? Just mount it once, and you should be able to fill in a new line in your fstab. mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /mount/externalharddrive |
| 09:36.28 | davis | so, i dont think i have been helped yet |
| 09:36.47 | CyzarX | ohhh...thanks phated |
| 09:36.53 | liable | !tell davis about smart questions |
| 09:37.10 | Phated | CyzarX: Yeah, you should be able to fill in your fstab columns afterwards, it's not a hard file to edit, eh. |
| 09:37.25 | davis | !tell liable about smarty pants |
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| 09:41.56 | liable | hah, I didnt even see that comment. phted, thanks for that, I will use it now :) |
| 09:42.05 | liable | phated* |
| 09:42.12 | Phated | Heh. |
| 09:42.19 | cahoot | dutchfish: not considered using rsync? |
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| 09:42.26 | cyberix | Has there been a discussion about enabling normal users to apt software into their own home directories? |
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| 09:42.54 | sussudio | !sgsmite liable |
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| 09:43.20 | Phated | Wewt. |
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| 09:44.20 | dutchfish | cahoot, yes but setting up rsync on al remote boxes for a 1 time copy is tedious |
| 09:44.39 | cahoot | dutchfish: agreed |
| 09:44.58 | dutchfish | cahoot, they all have ssh blocked for root (of coarse) |
| 09:46.11 | dutchfish | cahoot, up intil now i sudo and make a local copy to the backupuser wich i can access remotely but that works only if there is enough space |
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| 09:46.39 | _joey | which package should I install to be able to compile kernels and software ? |
| 09:46.53 | dutchfish | cahoot, there must be a better way |
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| 09:47.03 | _joey | which package should I install to be able to compile kernels and software ? |
| 09:47.12 | liable | !aussiesmite sussudio |
| 09:47.13 | dpkg | sussudio: few roos loose in your top paddock mate |
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| 09:47.25 | Daffy-PKF | how can i know if my ethernet card is in full duplex or not? mii-tool and ethtool don't help |
| 09:47.32 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 09:47.56 | sward | !tell _joey about multiple ask |
| 09:48.02 | sward | !tell _joey about kernel package |
| 09:48.09 | cyberix | So there is not an apt-webpage, not a team developing apt, not an apt-irc-channel. Am i correct. Everyone just hopes it doesn't break so no-one has to touch it? |
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| 09:51.10 | davis | ok i'll try again |
| 09:51.23 | davis | apt-get clean |
| 09:51.30 | davis | no error |
| 09:51.37 | Phated | Ehm, apt-get clean has nothing to do with your repositories. |
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| 09:52.16 | davis | i edit sources.list so that the only line without comment is binary1 cdrom entry |
| 09:52.37 | davis | i insert the cdrom labled binary 1 in the cdrom and mount it as /cdrom |
| 09:52.45 | davis | apt-get update |
| 09:52.52 | davis | i get the following error |
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| 09:54.04 | davis | W: couldn't stat source package list cdrom://...binary..1... - stat 2 no such file or directory you may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 09:54.18 | nkuttler | davis: use apt-cdrom |
| 09:54.32 | davis | apt-cdrom update? |
| 09:54.38 | nkuttler | davis: man apt-cdrom |
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| 09:55.05 | davis | ok will try again. i need to reboot to try though. |
| 09:55.17 | davis | is there any thing else I needto keep in mind? |
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| 09:55.47 | nkuttler | davis: you may have to apt-get update as well, i don't remember |
| 09:55.56 | steve-o | how do i update debian to any new packages that i need ? |
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| 09:56.00 | davis | ok thanks i'll try again. |
| 09:56.08 | Daffy-PKF | davis> why rebooting? |
| 09:56.09 | KristianM | can anywone help my with a problem in the debian tuturial? |
| 09:56.11 | nkuttler | steve-o: update? or install new stuff? |
| 09:56.21 | steve-o | oh wait |
| 09:56.29 | steve-o | my network card isnt recognized |
| 09:56.37 | steve-o | debian is a pain to get up and running |
| 09:56.40 | davis | i am in hotel with only one laptop. i can only access network while in win mode for now. |
| 09:57.01 | davis | im ssh'd to a server in order to irc. |
| 09:57.06 | Daffy-PKF | davis> ho ok |
| 09:57.15 | davis | brb |
| 09:57.20 | KristianM | has anyone got one second for me? |
| 09:57.48 | Daffy-PKF | KristianM> just ask... if someone have the answer, maybe you'll have it |
| 09:57.51 | sward | !tell KristianM about ask |
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| 09:58.23 | cahoot | to be honest he did ask |
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| 09:58.44 | KristianM | i can't get this function running myls() { |
| 09:58.45 | KristianM | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.45 | KristianM | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.51 | KristianM | myls() { |
| 09:58.51 | KristianM | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.51 | KristianM | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.55 | nkuttler | !tell KristianM about paste |
| 09:59.12 | Daffy-PKF | ^^ |
| 09:59.17 | steve-o | how do i config the network in debian ? |
| 09:59.21 | nkuttler | KristianM: try #whateverlanguage that is |
| 09:59.25 | nkuttler | steve-o: man interfaces |
| 09:59.33 | steve-o | in other words i want to config eth0 to use dhco |
| 09:59.43 | nkuttler | steve-o: dhclient, pump |
| 09:59.43 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, use mii-tool to check duplex modus |
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| 09:59.54 | KristianM | the tutrial calls it a shell function and wants me to type it and work with it |
| 10:00.08 | steve-o | awesome |
| 10:00.10 | nkuttler | KristianM: please, go to #bash |
| 10:00.11 | steve-o | ok i got it |
| 10:00.17 | steve-o | now do i just do apt-get update |
| 10:00.20 | KristianM | o.k. tanks |
| 10:00.27 | KristianM | thanks for ya help |
| 10:00.28 | KristianM | c ya |
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| 10:00.32 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> mii-tools doesn't word on my card ("SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported"), and ethtool doesn't give access to duplex mode |
| 10:00.34 | steve-o | ive got debian installed but ive got a basic system with out X |
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| 10:00.52 | kandalf | hi, does anybody know how to get the temperature of a seagate sata hd? I mean, if I have to add something to my kernel config |
| 10:00.56 | Daffy-PKF | s/word/work |
| 10:00.58 | cat | !tell steve-o about x |
| 10:01.22 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, can you use ifport? |
| 10:01.23 | pulsa | ‮hi |
| 10:01.26 | pulsa | hi |
| 10:01.27 | steve-o | ? |
| 10:01.28 | nkuttler | !tell steve-o about set up x |
| 10:01.36 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> ifport? what is it? i check |
| 10:01.56 | pulsa | someone can help me? |
| 10:01.59 | sward | cahoot: The intention is to get people to ask the real question they want to ask, and not just ask if we can help with x, maybe dpkg: ask to ask would have been better *shrugs* |
| 10:02.06 | nkuttler | pulsa: ask |
| 10:02.29 | pulsa | 911 |
| 10:02.35 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> i don't have any command named ifport... and apt-cache search doesn't give anything about it |
| 10:02.38 | steve-o | how do i upgrade packages ? i did apt-get upgrade and it didnt say anything after building package dependencies |
| 10:02.46 | pulsa | 911 |
| 10:02.51 | nkuttler | steve-o: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 10:02.55 | nkuttler | pulsa: stop that |
| 10:02.56 | pulsa | 911 |
| 10:03.15 | pulsa | i'm sorry |
| 10:03.35 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, weird, you could google on it to see what it does |
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| 10:03.52 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> yeah i do |
| 10:03.52 | RecoilUK | hi guys, is there a version of debian for amd x64? |
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| 10:04.13 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, it select the transceiver type for a network interface |
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| 10:04.19 | nkuttler | RecoilUK: /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 10:04.38 | KristianM | They send me back to you |
| 10:04.38 | pulsa | i have trouble with my connection. somebody can help me? |
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| 10:04.53 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> is it available on debian? strange apt-cache search doesn't give any result... |
| 10:05.23 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, i am not usre but think its part of mii-tools |
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| 10:05.41 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, just man ifport |
| 10:05.41 | RecoilUK | thanks nkuttler |
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| 10:06.47 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> no man for it... |
| 10:07.48 | Daffy-PKF | strange thing... |
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| 10:08.21 | manbox | guys i have a problem.. i want to unload bttv-driver, to be able to configure it, set the proper card, cause the autodetection desn't work.. but i dont think themodules is meant to be unloaded.. what do i do? |
| 10:08.58 | _joey | could someone recommend console based p2p client that support several protocols edk2, overnet, bittorrent |
| 10:09.13 | manbox | it's a module, but i can't configure it w/o unloading it.. i've tried but it doesnt work.. it doest read the proper configure-locations.. |
| 10:09.20 | manbox | _joey, |
| 10:09.21 | _joey | don't points to mldonkey :) |
| 10:09.22 | manbox | maybe |
| 10:09.31 | nkuttler | _joey: mldonkey |
| 10:09.53 | pulsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.54 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, you are right its not part of the dian packages, my mistake |
| 10:10.10 | nkuttler | pulsa: wtf? |
| 10:10.25 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> ok, no problem |
| 10:10.27 | _joey | since the author stopped contributing to mldonkey it's gone from bad to worse |
| 10:10.38 | manbox | _joey, the is some dc client that has a viking remincant name i cant recall though.. it's pretty good.. |
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| 10:11.20 | sward | _joey: I know one: screen+bittorrent+.. |
| 10:11.23 | manbox | pulsa, why repost? |
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| 10:11.31 | Daffy-PKF | anyway, is there still nobody to help me find why internet is so slow through nat? |
| 10:11.40 | nkuttler | manbox: he's trolling |
| 10:11.44 | manbox | trolling? |
| 10:11.47 | _joey | sward bittorrent doesn't support e2dk, doesn't it ? |
| 10:11.48 | pulsa | c u |
| 10:11.51 | manbox | what's that? nkuttler |
| 10:12.01 | sward | _joey: No, but you might find some other client that does |
| 10:12.04 | nkuttler | manbox: lsmod shows you which modules you need to remove |
| 10:12.12 | Guerin | ed2k is a woft |
| 10:12.15 | nkuttler | manbox: /msg dpkg troll |
| 10:12.27 | Guerin | bittorrent is king of all distribution systems |
| 10:12.51 | _joey | manbox could you recall the name of the client ? |
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| 10:13.06 | sward | _joey: The point was, on a single console, you can use screen to create several virtual consoles, each with their own p2p client in |
| 10:13.22 | drac | viking client? hrr, valknut? :) |
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| 10:14.16 | cahoot | vikings more konwon for robbing than distributing |
| 10:14.29 | cahoot | known |
| 10:14.39 | _joey | preferable one that runs as daemon on remote system, there's nice gui for it and daemon supports several protocols ;) |
| 10:14.45 | drac | well, they found america after indians.. :) |
| 10:15.07 | drac | so whole america should be owned by scandinavians :) |
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| 10:15.27 | Xik0 | is any file where i can sava my settings for rxvt? |
| 10:15.37 | Guerin | Xik0: .xresources |
| 10:15.56 | Guerin | man xresources for more details: sorry, it's not fun. |
| 10:16.08 | sward | Ick, self-daemonising programs, just daemonise it yourself |
| 10:17.13 | basix | my isp is blocking the gnutella network and i can't use bittorrent as well. is there a way to get around it?? |
| 10:18.00 | nkuttler | basix: change isp |
| 10:18.08 | steve-o | what isp do you have ? |
| 10:18.17 | DjKritical | or a special proxy |
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| 10:18.23 | DjKritical | which will go slow :D |
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| 10:18.43 | DjKritical | I doubt they can block bittorrent tho, change your ports |
| 10:19.33 | sward | _joey: I'd suggest mldonkey then.. or make your own |
| 10:19.38 | UziMonkey | I'm using debian sarge and Xinerama, and Opera is locking (refusing to respond to X events and not redrawing). Anyone know what the problem might be? |
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| 10:20.09 | sward | _joey: I have used torrentflux for bittorrent |
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| 10:20.50 | sward | _joey: I have also used phpbtque+btqueue, but that was a bit of a love-hate affair |
| 10:20.59 | gimbal | UziMonkey: I know that Opera is a beloved browser, but I might blame it on opera. I've seen it be pretty inclined to lock up |
| 10:21.06 | cat | !regex |
| 10:21.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, regex is tutorial at http://weblogtoolscollection.com/regex/regex.php |
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| 10:21.13 | cat | !weed |
| 10:21.25 | sward | !tell cat about msg the bots |
| 10:21.36 | DjKritical | azureus is a nice bittorrent client that runs off of the java runtime engine |
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| 10:21.52 | finn | that's the problem |
| 10:21.52 | kismet | anyone have trouble with a dual boot of WinXP followed by Debian screws up the WinXP install? |
| 10:21.54 | finn | java sucks.. |
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| 10:22.18 | DjKritical | well it'll run on almost any os :P |
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| 10:22.24 | UziMonkey | gimbal: I can't give up Opera :( It's very strange that this just started happening as well, I've Opera on this same machine in the same config before. |
| 10:22.28 | micka | gnome 2.11 2.12 package URL for debian unstable ? |
| 10:22.32 | kismet | yeah, azureus is actually okay |
| 10:22.45 | liable | kismet: how about saying what actually happens.. |
| 10:22.52 | finn | just use bittorrent |
| 10:23.10 | basix | steve-o, some local trash |
| 10:23.53 | DjKritical | azureus has a lot of features that most others dont... I personally like being able to set priority on specific files in a bittorrent package and run them before the torrent is completed :D |
| 10:24.01 | kismet | sorry, to be more specific, when trying to load into WinXP through the nice GRUB loader, it can't find the <window folder>\system32\hal.dll |
| 10:24.04 | liable | micka: how about trying to google? |
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| 10:24.21 | liable | kismet: thats the error? |
| 10:24.28 | kismet | yep |
| 10:24.32 | basix | nkuttler, i am in the process of changing the isp but it'll take about 2 months before my contract with the current one expires. till then i need some solution for my current isp |
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| 10:24.48 | kismet | of course, when i look, hal.dll is right there where it should be, so i dunno what it's talking about |
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| 10:25.00 | micka | apt-get install gnome fail with gnome-desktop-environnement unstable system |
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| 10:25.10 | liable | kismet: eww, I dont think grub could have caused that one, as it only rewrites the mbr. |
| 10:25.21 | sward | !test |
| 10:25.22 | dpkg | Sorry, sward, I didn't get your test. |
| 10:25.30 | DjKritical | basix: because the bittorrent network is decentralised... the way your ISP is blocking it would probably be to block the post it uses... which you can change!.. |
| 10:26.01 | DjKritical | basix: are you sure you're not behind a router which is blocking the port or something? |
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| 10:26.06 | liable | kismet: and grub passes off to the windows loader, so if it gets that far, its windows complaining about it, not grub. |
| 10:26.24 | kismet | no doubt, but i'll be damned if i know why |
| 10:26.36 | sward | micka: Breakage? In Sid!? Never! /msg dpkg unstable /msg dpkg sid |
| 10:27.06 | basix | DjKritical, i tried changing ports. doesn't work. |
| 10:27.08 | tarzeau | what would i do about: ".c:493: undefined reference to `dlsym'" ? |
| 10:27.11 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, what tells sudo dmesg | grep Media |
| 10:27.20 | liable | !tell micka about sid faq |
| 10:27.21 | kismet | hey, my last attempt at this, I couldn't get an nVidia driver going, even though I somehow pulled it off the time before |
| 10:27.31 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 10:27.31 | dpkg | <d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker? |
| 10:27.38 | liable | kismet: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 10:28.16 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, or dmesg | grep Media |
| 10:28.19 | basix | DjKritical, i am sure the router is not responsible. |
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| 10:28.58 | alistair | hey |
| 10:29.07 | Zedman | hello. how can I change the kdm theme in kde 3.3.2 on debian sarge? is this possible ? |
| 10:29.19 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> "dmesg|grep Media" -> nothing |
| 10:29.28 | alistair | i need help with WIne |
| 10:29.30 | alistair | Wine |
| 10:29.34 | tarzeau | !wine |
| 10:29.34 | dpkg | [wine] at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 10:29.40 | tarzeau | alistair: /msg dpkg ask |
| 10:29.42 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, or dmesg | grep <your device> |
| 10:29.56 | tarzeau | Zedman: #debian-kde |
| 10:30.04 | Zedman | thx |
| 10:30.07 | davis | hello |
| 10:30.13 | alistair | i need to run Steam with Wine |
| 10:30.25 | micka | just my question anonyme have gnome install in unstable debian system |
| 10:30.32 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> paste it on #flood ok? are you there? |
| 10:30.34 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 10:30.34 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 10:30.35 | tarzeau | !polls |
| 10:30.35 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 10:30.35 | kismet | what is the 686 identifier for? |
| 10:31.00 | tarzeau | kismet: pentium2 and compatible? |
| 10:31.21 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, no i am |
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| 10:31.56 | xet7 | Should I use debian woody, sarge or sid apt-get souces? Which has best stability/new software combo? |
| 10:32.05 | tarzeau | xet7: use sarge |
| 10:32.13 | xet7 | ok |
| 10:32.18 | xet7 | Thanks :) |
| 10:32.29 | micka | ok repair my gentoo system |
| 10:32.40 | micka | pfff |
| 10:32.43 | alistair | damn |
| 10:32.44 | alistair | wine |
| 10:32.48 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, thats means the adapter didnt get any statements for modus, so it defaults to hardware default |
| 10:33.13 | tarzeau | alistair: damn people who make their software not portable |
| 10:33.18 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> wich is? |
| 10:33.42 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, a sec i look up |
| 10:33.51 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> ok thanks |
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| 10:34.44 | davis | ok, i was able to readd my cdrom packages with apt-cdrom. I could even install mozilla and mozilla-psm. However when I try to authenticate for wireless access with hotel wireless web page, I get a web-page which says "error not able to read cookie. check browser". I have enabled all cookies in prefs/securtiy config in mozilla. Any idea? |
| 10:34.49 | xet7 | what are apt-get sources.list lines for Finnish mirrors? |
| 10:35.13 | tarzeau | xet7: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 10:35.44 | micka | no mplayer in debian why ? |
| 10:35.52 | tarzeau | !mplayer |
| 10:35.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mplayer is not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 10:35.59 | micka | !mplayer |
| 10:36.11 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 10:36.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 10:36.51 | dpkg | debstats -- created by Penix <jrac@ipv6-penix.tsps1.freenet6.net> at Wed Nov 13 13:35:18 2002 (1011 days); last modified at Sun Mar 30 12:48:40 2003 by troubled!foobar@d150-236-146.home.cgocable.net; it has been requested 223 times, last by tarzeau, 39s ago. |
| 10:37.03 | micka | xine not support wma |
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| 10:37.33 | steve-o | i installed the latest kernel available with apt-get (2.6.8) but i get a kernel panic error "VFS cannot open root device "1647" or unknown-block(22,71) Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount fs on unknown-block(22,71) any idea what i can do to fix this ? |
| 10:37.43 | xet7 | tarzeau: thanks :) |
| 10:37.49 | kismet | when i went looking for the nvidia-kernel-source last install, i could not find it at all |
| 10:37.56 | micka | debian is not a modern system no optimized and no all package |
| 10:37.57 | tarzeau | steve-o: compiled it yourself? |
| 10:37.59 | liable | kismet: non-free |
| 10:38.00 | steve-o | no |
| 10:38.07 | tarzeau | micka: that both not sentences |
| 10:38.09 | steve-o | tarzeau i got it from apt-get |
| 10:38.10 | micka | debian is just for admin ? |
| 10:38.15 | liable | steve-o: grub or lilo? |
| 10:38.20 | tarzeau | micka: no it's for everybody, universal |
| 10:38.22 | steve-o | lilo |
| 10:38.45 | liable | steve-o: then you didnt edit the file, or run /sbin/lilo.. |
| 10:38.49 | steve-o | i did |
| 10:38.53 | steve-o | im sure i did |
| 10:38.57 | micka | universal people use gnome 2.10 mplayer in other distribution |
| 10:39.02 | liable | try it again. |
| 10:39.06 | tarzeau | micka: bullshit |
| 10:39.08 | steve-o | it was working before i upgraded |
| 10:39.10 | micka | im french |
| 10:39.11 | tarzeau | micka: windows morons use gnome |
| 10:39.16 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, use ethtool ie apt-get install ethtool |
| 10:39.24 | paulswm | Sure xine supports wma. |
| 10:39.25 | tarzeau | micka: you can compile mplayer yourself or use binary packages from someone else |
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| 10:39.33 | tarzeau | micka: or use other distribution |
| 10:39.39 | steve-o | i saw a linux desktop that was a clone of windows xp |
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| 10:40.10 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> already tried athtools, seems the module forcedeth doesn't really support it, check #flood |
| 10:40.24 | micka | beacause my gentoo system have a bug with gtkstockicons.h when build gtk+ |
| 10:40.26 | davis | so any idea which my mozilla setup will not allow me to use hotel wireless? |
| 10:40.34 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, ok |
| 10:40.37 | steve-o | Daffy-PKF do u have an atheros network device ? |
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| 10:41.35 | tarzeau | steve-o: www.xpde.com ? it was very bad when i tried it |
| 10:41.48 | steve-o | yea |
| 10:41.58 | steve-o | most of the menu items didnt work |
| 10:42.11 | Daffy-PKF | steve-o> no, it's an nforce2 ethernet controlle (according to lspci, wich i trust, it's the card on my motherboard, wich have an nforce2 chipset) |
| 10:42.13 | steve-o | i havent been able to fix my problem |
| 10:42.27 | tarzeau | steve-o: most copies of the brillant stuff are of very low quality and cumbersome. windows is a cheap copy of different systems |
| 10:42.28 | steve-o | oh i dunno about that one |
| 10:42.54 | steve-o | liable sitll here ? |
| 10:43.02 | liable | steve-o: hmm.. |
| 10:43.12 | steve-o | i reran lilo again |
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| 10:43.41 | davis | man i wish it was daylight in east coast time so someone knowledgeable was around. |
| 10:43.44 | steve-o | same problem |
| 10:43.45 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, i am running out of options sorry, better check the forum of your driver maybe they have clues |
| 10:44.32 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> i did it all the night :) this channel is my last chance ^^ |
| 10:45.06 | liable | steve-o: can you paste lilo conf and fdisk -l to paster? |
| 10:45.18 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, what is your exact type of nic? |
| 10:45.26 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> nic? |
| 10:45.44 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, you network interface card |
| 10:46.07 | steve-o | liable well id hafta type it out |
| 10:46.18 | liable | steve-o: um, you are running a 2.6.8 on woody? |
| 10:46.26 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> ho, according to lspci: "0000:00:04.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 Ethernet Controller (rev a1)" |
| 10:46.30 | steve-o | whats woody ? |
| 10:46.38 | steve-o | im using debian 3.0 |
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| 10:46.46 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, there you go ;) |
| 10:46.46 | liable | steve-o: thats woody |
| 10:46.56 | steve-o | yes |
| 10:47.09 | liable | steve-o: and 2.6 kernels arent supported on woody as far as i know. |
| 10:47.10 | steve-o | i got the latest kernel from apt-get |
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| 10:47.16 | steve-o | they're not ? |
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| 10:47.25 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> does that mean ther is no solution? that i have to buy anothe card? |
| 10:47.29 | liable | steve-o: how did you apt-get it? |
| 10:47.57 | davis | besides mozilla and mozilla-psm is there any other packages which I should install in order to do https authentication with wireless router? |
| 10:47.58 | steve-o | i dont remember exactly but something like apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 10:48.03 | liable | steve-o: whats in your sources list? |
| 10:48.06 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, depends, i am not very familiar with this card you have to check the wlan sites |
| 10:48.12 | davis | lynx and links dont support https. |
| 10:48.21 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> ok |
| 10:48.35 | liable | steve-o: when did you install? |
| 10:48.47 | steve-o | just a little while ago |
| 10:49.02 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, i prefer prism chipsets, they do i nice job in dif laptops |
| 10:49.05 | liable | steve-o: why did you install woody? |
| 10:49.11 | drac | davis: links does. |
| 10:49.20 | steve-o | liable it was the cd that i had why ? |
| 10:49.24 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, never had any problems with them |
| 10:49.28 | steve-o | the newest one is 3.1 right? |
| 10:49.35 | drac | davis: as when I'm browsing my local bank with links/https now :) |
| 10:49.38 | liable | steve-o: because woody was released years ago.. |
| 10:50.03 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> well, i don't like nvidia ones, but didn't knew when i bought my motherboard :) |
| 10:50.08 | steve-o | is there a way to upgrade to the newest one ? |
| 10:50.08 | davis | drac hmm. |
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| 10:50.16 | steve-o | or would i have to do a complete reinstall |
| 10:50.31 | davis | drac: i installed links and when i tried to authenticate it said it was not supported |
| 10:50.47 | davis | drac: is there another package which I should install that is not done by default? |
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| 10:51.04 | drac | davis: links 2.1_pre17 actually, I think that is called "links2" in apt. |
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| 10:51.17 | davis | hmm. that maybe my problem. |
| 10:51.36 | davis | i am installing from cdrom feb2005 and I did not see a links2 |
| 10:51.39 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> i think i'll buy another ethernet card tomorrow, prism you say? i'll think about it |
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| 10:52.07 | davis | if I could authenticate, i could add networkk apt source and get a newer setup. |
| 10:52.19 | steve-o | liable you there ? |
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| 10:52.31 | liable | steve-o: yep |
| 10:52.40 | newbie | greetings, how can we determine if pppoeconf is connected or not ? |
| 10:52.50 | steve-o | is there a way to upgrade to the newest one ? |
| 10:53.00 | liable | !tell steve-o about woody->sarge |
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| 10:53.35 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, and delf into this : http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:53.58 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, gl |
| 10:53.59 | steve-o | dutchfish i think madwifi is much better |
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| 10:54.06 | xet7 | can I backup 3rd partition from one PC and install it to another PC 1st partition and somehow get it to work? |
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| 10:54.11 | liable | steve-o: but unless you have data you need to keep, it would prolly be easier to just re-install.. |
| 10:54.23 | liable | madwifi is good.. |
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| 10:54.57 | steve-o | liable well how big is it if i have to download the newest ? |
| 10:55.01 | Daffy-PKF | dutchfish> thanks a lot, you're helpfull :) |
| 10:55.13 | dutchfish | Daffy-PKF, yw |
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| 10:55.51 | liable | steve-o: you have a broadband connection? it wouldnt matter if you downloaded the net-installer or updated, you will use a couple hundred Mb |
| 10:55.58 | liable | !d-i steve-o |
| 10:55.59 | dpkg | steve-o, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:56.33 | liable | steve-o: you can get the net-install, hundred or so megs, then just download what you need from the net.. |
| 10:57.16 | liable | steve-o: also boot with the linux26 option.. |
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| 10:57.30 | steve-o | whoa |
| 10:57.35 | steve-o | too much info |
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| 11:01.47 | steve-o | liable im following the steps you mentioned in the private message that i got from you |
| 11:02.01 | liable | steve-o: whats does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say? |
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| 11:02.14 | steve-o | 3.0 |
| 11:02.29 | liable | steve-o: well, dont forget to read the release notes and the other stuff it says :) |
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| 11:05.13 | micka | gnome unbuntu package for debian is good idea ? |
| 11:05.53 | flexy | no |
| 11:06.09 | liable | micka: shit no. |
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| 11:06.22 | steve-o | liable ok it finished |
| 11:06.35 | steve-o | doing cat /etc/debian_version returns 3.1 |
| 11:07.04 | steve-o | do i need to reboot before continuing ? |
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| 11:07.26 | liable | steve-o: no, it upgraded without errors? |
| 11:07.42 | steve-o | yea |
| 11:08.02 | steve-o | lemme try the 2.6 kernel now |
| 11:08.28 | liable | ok, maybe run lilo again first.. or whatever.. |
| 11:08.45 | steve-o | well i have 2 entries for debian. 1 for 2.4 and another for 2.6 |
| 11:09.10 | liable | steve-o: well, try and see what happens |
| 11:09.15 | steve-o | ok |
| 11:09.18 | steve-o | i will |
| 11:09.27 | steve-o | same error |
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| 11:09.49 | flexy | my laptop hd is about to give up. what is the right tar command I can use to backup the whole partition to a remote nfs disk? I have nfs mounted share where there is enough space... I don't have to use nfs, if you have better suggestions? |
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| 11:11.06 | steve-o | liable im still getting the same error |
| 11:11.53 | liable | steve-o: and the kernel line is the same for both kernels..? |
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| 11:12.14 | steve-o | what do you mean ? |
| 11:12.17 | xbmodder | why is qmail trying to use /var/vpopmail/domains/xbmodder.us/xbmodder/Maildir/ and not /var/vpopmail/domains/xbmodder.us/xbmodder/.maildir/ |
| 11:12.26 | liable | steve-o: in lilo conf |
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| 11:12.43 | liable | steve-o: they point to same root bit.. |
| 11:12.43 | steve-o | it has hdd6 as the root device |
| 11:12.51 | steve-o | yes |
| 11:13.22 | liable | steve-o: try re-installing the kernel, then if it wont work, dunno, try grub.. |
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| 11:13.54 | steve-o | i had this similar problem with fedora |
| 11:13.56 | Tye_ | Does anyone else have the new Firefox in Sarge segfault when a tab is closed? |
| 11:14.18 | liable | steve-o: what 2.6 kernel fault? |
| 11:14.24 | nkuttler | Tye_: check the bts |
| 11:14.41 | steve-o | you mean the error message ? |
| 11:14.50 | Tye_ | Thanks nkuttler |
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| 11:15.23 | steve-o | liable: kernel panic error "VFS cannot open root device "1647" or unknown-block(22,71) Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount fs on unknown-block(22,71) |
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| 11:16.25 | liable | steve-o: that block (22,71) looks very wrong.. |
| 11:16.34 | steve-o | yea i know |
| 11:16.51 | DarthSith | hello people |
| 11:17.05 | liable | steve-o: old hardware or unusual setup or..? |
| 11:17.10 | steve-o | no |
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| 11:17.27 | steve-o | it doesnt have old hardware. its somewhat newer |
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| 11:18.16 | liable | steve-o: install grub, run grub-install /dev/hda |
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| 11:19.38 | liable | steve-o: if it indeed hda.. |
| 11:20.00 | steve-o | no |
| 11:20.08 | steve-o | i do not want to install anything to hda |
| 11:20.21 | liable | well whatever it is then.. sheesh |
| 11:20.24 | steve-o | i think i know what the problem may be |
| 11:20.45 | steve-o | but im not sure 100% that im right |
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| 11:21.45 | Tye_ | Uhm, did the Debian bug tracking system just stop responding? I don't get anything when searching. |
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| 11:24.14 | drasko | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:25.29 | sward | Tye_: Worksforme |
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| 11:25.53 | mattybats | i'm fighting with some bash scripting |
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| 11:26.20 | davis | whoot! i got it working. |
| 11:26.27 | steve-o | liable hey i made the kernel panic go away |
| 11:26.35 | mattybats | i keep ending up with this thing > |
| 11:26.43 | davis | i'mauthenticated now and I am doing apt-get upgrade now. |
| 11:26.44 | mattybats | i hate that thing |
| 11:26.45 | steve-o | but now ive got another kernel panic error |
| 11:26.53 | sward | mattybats: It can fight back, I'd watch it.. |
| 11:26.54 | Tye_ | mattybats: You haven't closed something, such as a ' |
| 11:26.56 | steve-o | liable still there ? |
| 11:27.03 | sward | mattybats: As a prompt? Un-balanced quoting |
| 11:27.09 | liable | steve-o: yep, whats going on now? |
| 11:27.12 | DarthSith | hi can i change my timezone from cets to utc? |
| 11:27.22 | mattybats | i think it's the filename |
| 11:27.29 | mattybats | has a ' in it |
| 11:27.30 | liable | DarthSith: tzconfig |
| 11:27.43 | mattybats | yes as a prompt |
| 11:27.47 | steve-o | pivot_root: no such file or directory /sbin/init: 432: cannot open /dev/console: no such file kernel panic: attempted to kill init! |
| 11:27.51 | Tye_ | mattybats: Try escaping it, such as \' |
| 11:28.01 | DarthSith | liable, i tries that but i can only change my local time |
| 11:28.03 | sward | mattybats: escape it with \ |
| 11:28.12 | mattybats | sorry it's allready escaped |
| 11:28.13 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 11:28.30 | mattybats | if [`file youssou_n\'dour_-_bamba.wav |awk -v pat=youssou_n\'dour_-_bamba.wav -f ../temp/test.awk` == 1 ]; then echo yes fi |
| 11:28.33 | liable | steve-o: hmm, google that one, have seen others with it, dunno how to fix it.. |
| 11:29.15 | mattybats | or is it this |
| 11:29.20 | mattybats | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.23 | drasko | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.34 | paulswm | mattybats: /j #bash |
| 11:29.41 | mattybats | k |
| 11:29.44 | davis | so i am reading the debian reference3 page, the iwconfig, and interfaces man page, but I dont see how to add essid for wireless automatcially. How do I do that? |
| 11:30.02 | sward | mattybats: Use more quotes, see #bash /topic |
| 11:30.03 | davis | i know you can edit /etc/network/interfaces so that it will dod it. |
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| 11:30.12 | davis | just dont know form of config |
| 11:30.35 | paulswm | mattybats: you also need a space after the '[' |
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| 11:31.46 | spiekey | hello! |
| 11:31.52 | davis | whoops i missspoke |
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| 11:32.10 | davis | the answer is int next section of debian ref page |
| 11:32.16 | spiekey | i am running sarge in vmware and i cant find the kernel module for the amd nic. what is it called again? |
| 11:32.32 | Rawplayer | typ modconf |
| 11:32.48 | Vladi_here | hello people |
| 11:32.50 | spiekey | Rawplayer: i have already tried the two amd nics in there |
| 11:32.57 | steve-o | liable i fixed it :) |
| 11:33.13 | liable | steve-o: good one :) |
| 11:33.29 | spiekey | Rawplayer: AMD 8111 and lance |
| 11:33.39 | steve-o | now how do i install X |
| 11:33.49 | steve-o | atm im using debian 3.1 with 2.6.8 |
| 11:34.17 | drac | steve-o: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 11:34.40 | spiekey | ah, got it |
| 11:35.41 | steve-o | thanks |
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| 11:37.13 | js_ | how can i check hdd temperatures? |
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| 11:37.28 | yoo | smarttools |
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| 11:38.01 | sam__ | anyone have problem downloading when clicking on a link with the new firefox 1.0.04-2sarge2 |
| 11:38.11 | yoo | js_, smartmontools - control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T. |
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| 11:38.49 | steve-o | drac will that command install xfree ? |
| 11:38.54 | mau | hi |
| 11:39.02 | drac | steve-o: in debian 3.1, yes |
| 11:39.10 | mau | i have problem with firefox/mozilla and cups |
| 11:39.12 | steve-o | oh |
| 11:39.14 | mau | can t print anything |
| 11:39.20 | steve-o | i was hoping i could use xorg |
| 11:39.24 | mau | i can print from any other location... |
| 11:39.27 | drac | !xorg sarge |
| 11:39.27 | dpkg | hmm... xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
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| 11:39.32 | drac | steve-o: ^^ |
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| 11:39.36 | mau | installed xprint same thing |
| 11:40.07 | steve-o | drac im configuring xfree now but at the mouse detection it doesnt recognize my usb mouse. what do i do ? |
| 11:40.37 | drac | steve-o: you use /dev/input/mice |
| 11:40.49 | steve-o | for a usb mouse ? |
| 11:41.04 | drac | like I said |
| 11:41.39 | steve-o | will that for a usb mouse ? |
| 11:41.42 | steve-o | *work |
| 11:41.51 | drac | no, I just said it for fun? |
| 11:42.06 | drac | *shrug* |
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| 11:42.29 | steve-o | :p |
| 11:43.17 | sward | !tell steve-o about devinputmice |
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| 11:44.03 | liable | mau: install cups-bsd |
| 11:44.17 | mau | i try.. |
| 11:44.21 | liable | or whatever it is.. |
| 11:44.43 | TraceGreen | Hello, when i tried to compile c program in Debian linux, i get this error : undefined reference to `errno', can anybody help me |
| 11:44.47 | liable | cupsys-bsd |
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| 11:44.55 | Daffy-PKF | re |
| 11:45.27 | steve-o | liable i installed x. im using a usb mouse. i loaded the usbmouse module. isnt there a program called gpm i think that i need to load ? |
| 11:45.36 | jnc | TraceGreen: hehe |
| 11:45.45 | liable | steve-o: no, gpm is for console |
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| 11:46.04 | liable | !usb mouse |
| 11:46.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 11:46.16 | liable | !usbmouse |
| 11:46.17 | dpkg | from memory, usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
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| 11:46.47 | TraceGreen | jnc, i can compile it before, because of some resion, i reinstall my libc |
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| 11:47.14 | {Seb} | i've got debian testing running on my server |
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| 11:47.29 | liable | congratulations.. :P |
| 11:47.30 | {Seb} | and i'm trying to get an svn checkout and i keep getting the same error |
| 11:47.39 | {Seb} | when i run svn chechout svn+ssh://anonymous@forgesvn1.novell.com/svn/hula/trunk, it says |
| 11:47.45 | {Seb} | it says svn: No such file or directory |
| 11:47.53 | {Seb} | running the command on my ubuntu desktop is fine though |
| 11:48.02 | Daffy-PKF | does someone has this problem? i'm in sid, and installed fluxbox from testing, the menu is not updated |
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| 11:49.02 | nkuttler | {Seb}: what has ubuntu to do with that? |
| 11:49.08 | nkuttler | !nickometer {Seb} |
| 11:49.08 | dpkg | '{Seb}' is 10.000% lame, nkuttler |
| 11:49.10 | steve-o | liable ok i fixed the problem |
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| 11:49.29 | steve-o | liable now i guess i have to install a windows manager |
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| 11:50.31 | liable | steve-o: well, then.. |
| 11:50.36 | steve-o | lol |
| 11:50.41 | steve-o | i figured that one out |
| 11:50.42 | {Seb} | anyone any ideas? |
| 11:50.47 | steve-o | apt-get install xfce4 |
| 11:50.52 | nkuttler | {Seb}: install svn |
| 11:51.01 | {Seb} | i have svn installed |
| 11:51.08 | finn_ | openbox |
| 11:51.15 | liable | steve-o: if thats what you want, then yeah.. |
| 11:51.25 | yang | I get bunch of /USR/SBIN/CRON threads on "ps wuxa", but when I list crontab I got only 2 entry, this thing slows my machine down and it querys cron every minute? |
| 11:51.32 | nkuttler | {Seb}: add the svn path to your $PATH |
| 11:51.40 | {Seb} | svn path? |
| 11:51.45 | {Seb} | when i run svn --help, it works fine |
| 11:51.52 | {Seb} | it seems to be the svn+ssh that is stumping it |
| 11:52.06 | steve-o | liable finally!! its set up |
| 11:52.17 | sward | {Seb}: Does your svn support ra_svn? svn --version |
| 11:52.42 | {Seb} | sward: yes |
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| 11:54.25 | sward | {Seb}: s/chechout/checkout/ |
| 11:54.29 | {Seb} | sward: what? |
| 11:54.53 | sward | {Seb}: In the command line you pasted, you wrote "chechout", use "checkout" instead |
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| 11:55.21 | {Seb} | sward: i'm on a different machine |
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| 11:59.15 | sward | {Seb}: I'm stuck, a good place to ask might be #svn, it works on both my sarge and sid boxen |
| 11:59.54 | moritz- | hello. i tried to configure xf86 with xf86setup with the same options i used to configure the machine for x.org on slackware, but when i call startx the xserver doesnt work. can you recommend another xf86 config tool? |
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| 12:00.17 | liable | !xmd5 |
| 12:00.17 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 12:00.27 | ehk | How i can remove gnome? |
| 12:00.29 | liable | !drxx |
| 12:00.30 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:00.40 | lfalvarez | hi. I have a dns running on mi machine. I can ping mail.mydomain.com. but I cant telnet mail.mydomain.com. any ideas. I'm using postfix. |
| 12:00.47 | liable | ehk: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 12:01.30 | ehk | dpkg hmm... remove debian is something i don't kno |
| 12:01.30 | dpkg | okay, ehk |
| 12:01.39 | ehk | know* |
| 12:01.40 | ehk | :| |
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| 12:02.13 | liable | dpkg: forget remove debian is something |
| 12:02.14 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'remove debian is something' to forget, liable |
| 12:02.26 | liable | dpkg: forget hmm... remove debian is something |
| 12:02.26 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'hmm... remove debian is something' to forget, liable |
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| 12:03.22 | Phated | dpkg forget hmm... remove debian |
| 12:03.22 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'hmm... remove debian' to forget, Phated |
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| 12:03.44 | Phated | Interesting. Ah well. |
| 12:03.56 | liable | Phated: finally worked it out, but did it in /msg :) |
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| 12:04.11 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 12:06.32 | skip_ | help please...what tools are available for simulating an attack against my network? I want to test snort. |
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| 12:07.33 | sward | skip_: You can start by scanning with nmap |
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| 12:08.21 | skip_ | sward: yep, got that. Are there any others? |
| 12:08.25 | libra102 | hello |
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| 12:08.54 | lfalvarez | hi. I have a dns running on mi machine. I can ping mail.mydomain.com. but I cant telnet mail.mydomain.com 25 Any ideas, I'm using postfix |
| 12:09.18 | sward | skip_: I don't know, Google it? Search freshmeat? Search the debian package archives? |
| 12:09.29 | skip_ | I am |
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| 12:11.36 | miten | I have ps2 mouse and its mouse wheel is not being recognized to scroll.... |
| 12:12.08 | newmanbe | Try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 12:12.22 | newmanbe | Then enable the scroll wheel when it asks you. |
| 12:12.26 | tirkal | is there a way to restore a user's crontab, deleted by crontab -r ? |
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| 12:12.37 | newmanbe | Not using a scroll wheel, I can't help you anymore. |
| 12:13.04 | miten | I guess I will back up by XF86Config file first in /etc/X11 |
| 12:13.14 | newmanbe | tirkal: I would check the man(/info) page for crontab. |
| 12:13.42 | tirkal | newmanbe: "The -r option causes the current crontab to be removed." |
| 12:13.44 | Shadowcat | does anyone know of a tabbed ssh client for Windows? |
| 12:14.02 | tirkal | newmanbe: ...and that's all it says. |
| 12:14.15 | tirkal | Shadowcat: only decent SSH client afaik is putty. |
| 12:14.22 | Eulex | shouldn't you get a tun0 network device if you modprobe tun? |
| 12:14.22 | tirkal | Shadowcat: and it's not tabbed. |
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| 12:14.46 | jnc | Penguinet was alright |
| 12:14.49 | AresGames | hi |
| 12:14.51 | jnc | but Penguinet != free |
| 12:14.59 | jnc | use PuTTY |
| 12:15.19 | Shadowcat | tirkal: I'm using secureCRT right now |
| 12:15.22 | Shadowcat | doens't render the colors |
| 12:15.23 | Shadowcat | :( |
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| 12:15.36 | tirkal | Shadowcat: putty does render colors. |
| 12:15.48 | miten | newmanbe: it says xserver-xfree86 in not installed |
| 12:15.57 | Shadowcat | tirkal: yes I know about putty |
| 12:15.59 | tirkal | Shadowcat: it's by far the best Win32 SSH client I've used. |
| 12:16.01 | miten | I must have source compiled xfree86 |
| 12:16.17 | airco | question: does anyone know a syntax for using grep in a way that only searches files with a given extension (e.g. *.txt), searches recursively in directories, and does not resort to bash shortcuts like combining two greps or using find? |
| 12:16.20 | Eulex | miten, are you on unstable? |
| 12:16.43 | miten | Eulex: on Deb 3.1 |
| 12:16.44 | {Seb} | got it sorted |
| 12:16.49 | {Seb} | didn't have ssh installed :-( |
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| 12:17.04 | miten | Eulex: sarge |
| 12:17.33 | Eulex | miten, if you have compiled xfree86 yourself, your only option is to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 manually |
| 12:17.35 | miten | scroll wheel actually never worked for me in linux...it works in winnt.. |
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| 12:17.42 | airco | i'm basically looking for an equivalent of grep -irs word $(find . -name "*txt") that doesn't use the find part :) |
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| 12:18.29 | miten | Eulex: I dont see such file....I only see XF86Config |
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| 12:18.47 | sward | airco: --include=PATTERN |
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| 12:19.05 | Eulex | miten, then your xfree86 != debian's xfree86 |
| 12:19.09 | Phated | Ehm, why not just apt-get install x-window-system? |
| 12:19.13 | _martin | Hiya |
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| 12:19.31 | airco | sward: ah, didn't know about that option, many thanks and a freshly-slaughtered lamb for you :) |
| 12:19.58 | sward | ooh, lamb |
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| 12:20.38 | Guerin | laaaamb |
| 12:20.41 | miten | Eulex: how can I find out what exactly it is then? |
| 12:21.06 | liable | Guerin: settle down cuz :P |
| 12:21.17 | Guerin | it's cooking as we speak |
| 12:21.43 | Guerin | if $DEITY made a more wonderful creature to roast, he sure as hell didn't tell me about it |
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| 12:23.35 | Eulex | miten, XFree86 -version |
| 12:24.01 | miten | 4.3.0 |
| 12:24.18 | Phated | Guerin: *shlurp* Yum. |
| 12:25.13 | miten | ntfs support for write mode did not work for me....I have 2.6.12.4 src compiled... |
| 12:25.23 | Guerin | miten: you're better off that way |
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| 12:25.40 | Eulex | miten, what's the full first line it prints? |
| 12:26.05 | miten | Eulex: XFree86 Version 4.3.0 |
| 12:26.23 | miten | how can I get mouse to do copy paste ..... |
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| 12:26.38 | Shadowcat | that's because NTFS write support never worked in the kernel in the first place |
| 12:26.41 | miten | that highlight and two button trick does not work |
| 12:26.42 | Shadowcat | and you'd be a fool to try it |
| 12:26.58 | Shadowcat | christ |
| 12:27.01 | Shadowcat | 2.6.12.5 |
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| 12:27.03 | miten | Shadowcat: did you go through menuconfig options... |
| 12:27.07 | Shadowcat | what next |
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| 12:27.26 | Shadowcat | miten: there IS NO NTFS WRITE SUPPORT in the kernel |
| 12:27.28 | Shadowcat | end of story |
| 12:27.41 | Shadowcat | unless of course you enjoy hosing NTFS volumes |
| 12:27.45 | Shadowcat | in which case, go right ahead |
| 12:27.47 | miten | Shadowcat: go read run menuconfig and see there is one option for it... |
| 12:27.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:27.59 | Guerin | miten: and it's known not to work, aiui |
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| 12:28.07 | Shadowcat | what Guerin said |
| 12:28.10 | Guerin | miten: a fact which you have now verified for us |
| 12:28.11 | drac | or development of ntfs write support in kernel has been stopped, cause it's now stable, but only supports modifying existing files and because of that is pretty useless. |
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| 12:28.28 | Guerin | solution: don't use ntfs |
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| 12:28.34 | Guerin | simple really |
| 12:28.35 | Eulex | miten, I've got more info on that first line, like when it was compiled and who it was compiled by, though I'm running an unofficial Xorg 6.8.2 so that might just be me... |
| 12:28.43 | Shadowcat | solution: don't use NTFS write support in the kernel |
| 12:28.47 | Shadowcat | next! |
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| 12:29.00 | miten | drac: I was unable to modify and save to even existing file... |
| 12:29.13 | Guerin | miten: if you change the size, that'd be right |
| 12:29.14 | miten | Eulex: there is more info... |
| 12:29.17 | Shadowcat | miten: and your point is? |
| 12:29.33 | Shadowcat | NTFS Write *Support* is broken in the kernel |
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| 12:29.40 | jnc_ | Where does "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" actually write its output to? It's not touching /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 12:29.51 | Shadowcat | Guerin: I have to write to NTFS at times when I'm in linux |
| 12:29.57 | Shadowcat | nidswrapper comes in handy |
| 12:30.01 | Guerin | Shadowcat: you poor bastard |
| 12:30.02 | Eulex | miten, modifying a file without changing the size of it is what is supported. you can't create, delete and change the length of files |
| 12:30.10 | Guerin | jnc_: /msg dpkg x md5 |
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| 12:30.30 | wers | i can reach my samba shares from my linux machines, but not from a windows xp, it wants a password..?? i tried a linux user but no succeess.. what have i missed? |
| 12:30.31 | jnc_ | Guerin: Uh, what? |
| 12:30.32 | Eulex | miten, and that additional info on that line is what I was interested in |
| 12:30.37 | micka | help |
| 12:30.38 | micka | Dépaquetage de gconf2 (à partir de .../gconf2_2.10.1-1_i386.deb) ... |
| 12:30.45 | micka | dpkg : erreur de traitement de /var/cache/apt/archives/gconf2_2.10.1-1_i386.deb (--unpack) : |
| 12:30.49 | Guerin | jnc_: type the following into your irc client: /msg dpkg x md5 |
| 12:30.53 | Shadowcat | what the hell |
| 12:30.54 | micka | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.56 | Guerin | jnc_: read output in message window |
| 12:31.00 | Eulex | !fr |
| 12:31.00 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 12:31.02 | Guerin | jnc_: follow instructions therein |
| 12:31.04 | micka | dpkg-deb: sous-processus paste tué par le signal (Relais brisé (pipe) |
| 12:31.08 | jnc_ | Ah, thanks |
| 12:31.13 | miten | Eulex: how can I exec command output to #flood |
| 12:31.15 | AresGames | how to test line by line into a text file? (mean analyse line by line until end of file) |
| 12:31.19 | Guerin | micka: please to be fucking off |
| 12:31.21 | micka | i'm speak english and french |
| 12:31.29 | Guerin | AresGames: #bash |
| 12:31.34 | Shadowcat | jashon: wtf are you doing? |
| 12:31.34 | Guerin | AresGames: ask for faq #1 |
| 12:31.35 | Shadowcat | don't msg me |
| 12:31.37 | AresGames | ok |
| 12:31.54 | Eulex | micka, this is an english channel. please change your $LANG to C and paste in flood or use paster |
| 12:33.05 | Eulex | miten, what? join #flood and paste it! btw, what I'm looking for is the equivalent to "X Window System Version 6.8.2 (Debian 6.8.2-7 20050329134343 root@codeman.linux-systeme.org)" |
| 12:33.28 | Shadowcat | is he running Xorg off unstable? |
| 12:34.05 | Guerin | and if so, why doesn't he know what he's doing? |
| 12:34.14 | miten | Eulex: cut and paste not working |
| 12:34.29 | Shadowcat | Guerin: we already established the fact that he doesn't know what he's doing |
| 12:34.33 | miten | it was build operating system 2.4.20 |
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| 12:34.45 | Shadowcat | considering that he attempted to use NTFS Write from the kernel |
| 12:34.46 | Eulex | miten, that's uninteresting |
| 12:35.07 | Guerin | Shadowcat: but we didn't establish WHY |
| 12:35.18 | Guerin | though it almost certainly needs no explanation |
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| 12:35.40 | Eulex | miten, does the first line output from XFree86 look similar to "X Window System Version 6.8.2 (Debian 6.8.2-7 20050329134343 root@codeman.linux-systeme.org)" or is it just "XFree86 Version 4.3.0"? |
| 12:36.14 | miten | Eulex: Just XFree86 Version 4.3.0 |
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| 12:38.46 | Eulex | miten, hmm, well, we know at least that you're not running the official debian xfree86, because you can't dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 -- that means that your build of xfree86 is unsupported by debian, and you should ask in an xfree86 channel |
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| 12:46.50 | beware | i have a problem with proftpd on sarge since a few days or a week or so, |
| 12:46.55 | xst | Can I somehow hide/remove the time-field in gdm so the time is not shown to the user? |
| 12:47.20 | beware | login fails half of the time, and getting a dir often gives an empty dir, and in the log it says proftpd terminates with signal 11 (SIGSEGV) |
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| 12:48.45 | XJih78 | hi guys |
| 12:48.53 | sSsslang | who configured ssh in colinux |
| 12:49.20 | XJih78 | where can i find the setting of the kernel with the native on expert26 debian installation |
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| 12:49.33 | XJih78 | ? |
| 12:49.56 | sward | XJih78: Do you mean you want to know the kernel configuration? Try /boot/config-<version> |
| 12:50.10 | Eulex | xst, should exist a theme setting for that |
| 12:50.39 | XJih78 | sward: i havn't installed my linux yet. i mean on the web information about it. |
| 12:50.59 | xst | Eulex: Thanx, I managed to edit the theme xml file. |
| 12:51.12 | XJih78 | i want to know is the LVM v1 or v2? |
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| 12:52.31 | XJih78 | in the installer there's no such thing as the version of LVM |
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| 12:52.57 | liable | heh, I would like to know what the bots ay to kurumin users.. |
| 12:53.13 | sward | XJih78: I know nothing of LVM in the debian-installer, but this suggests LVM2: http://edseek.com/archives/2005/02/08/recovering-lvm2-with-debian-installer-rc2/ |
| 12:53.36 | XJih78 | sward: thanks man |
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| 12:54.54 | redge- | hey, what would be the best way to find the console command of a tool i am normally running using gnome? |
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| 12:55.36 | micka | dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled :/ |
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| 12:57.34 | Eulex | micka, use of --force of dangerous and discouraged |
| 12:57.40 | Eulex | s/of/is |
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| 12:58.37 | emurz | Do you guys prefer gnome over kde? |
| 12:58.57 | tarzeau | emurz: no way |
| 12:59.08 | tarzeau | emurz: gnome is the worst, if you ask me |
| 12:59.24 | emurz | tarzeau: kde is quite heavy for the cpu |
| 12:59.34 | tarzeau | emurz: yeah, that's why i don't use kde either ;) |
| 12:59.44 | emurz | what do you use then? :-) |
| 12:59.54 | tarzeau | emurz: wmaker and gnustep or amiwm |
| 13:00.20 | tarzeau | emurz: http://gnu.ethz.ch/gnustep.jpg |
| 13:00.22 | PerfDave | emurz: It's a matter of opinion. Personally, I use KDE. |
| 13:01.21 | Guerin | evilwm! |
| 13:01.27 | sward | !start a wm war |
| 13:01.28 | dpkg | twm bites! |
| 13:01.29 | mysurfguide | same here, prefer KDE |
| 13:01.38 | sward | We know that dpkg |
| 13:01.44 | mysurfguide | lol |
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| 13:02.12 | Guerin | BUGS: The author’s idea of friendly may differ to that of many other people. # from 'man 1 evilwm' |
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| 13:02.44 | Ox12 | I am installing cPanel, and it took so long time, it has been installing for about 3 hours! is that okay? Or I should terminate the installation process? |
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| 13:03.21 | sward | fluxbox, although I use GNOME on an Ubuntu box, and may try wmii just to see if it works for me |
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| 13:03.58 | elirips | hello. if mplayer refuses to play a file saying it is an unknown video codec, how can i check if that codec is missing or if the file is broken? it is a .wmv-file. |
| 13:03.58 | Guerin | Ox12: you paid for cpanel, right? So why the fuck are you asking us about it? |
| 13:04.22 | Ox12 | Guerin: No I didnt pay for cpanel, Am installing it myself |
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| 13:04.37 | Guerin | elirips: if mplayer says there's no codec, there's no codec. ask dpkg about marillat and install w32codecs |
| 13:05.08 | elirips | Guerin: thanks. now it is working. |
| 13:05.12 | imango | hi every one, I solved the problem before with your help regarding my sould card using the alsaconf & alsamixer....however, I lost it every time I rebooted my laptop and it worked....but know I get an error message saying there is not sound device....help please...thank you |
| 13:05.13 | Guerin | Ox12: oh, the trial. |
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| 13:05.30 | Ox12 | Guerin: ?! |
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| 13:05.55 | Guerin | Ox12: the cpanel trial version, innit? |
| 13:06.01 | Guerin | i mean |
| 13:06.08 | Guerin | the real version is payware |
| 13:06.16 | Ox12 | yea |
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| 13:06.51 | Guerin | Ox12: so go ask for support from them, eh? |
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| 13:07.11 | PerfDave | Ewww, non-Free software ;) |
| 13:08.05 | zen-parse | Hey guys, just installed debian 3.1 and when it boots up it goes straight into graphical login manager, how do i make it boot to console so if i want to run X i just type startx... i tried changing the inittab levels from 2 to 5 that didnt work... ? |
| 13:08.07 | sward | Yeah, let's make a free clo.. actually, no, let's not, I don't like cPanel |
| 13:08.32 | zen-parse | the problem is it boots to a 640x480 screen res and i cant reconfigure it while X is runnin |
| 13:08.37 | PerfDave | zen-parse: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 13:08.47 | PerfDave | zen-parse: You can reconfigure X while it is running. /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 13:08.48 | zen-parse | thanks |
| 13:08.53 | zen-parse | oh |
| 13:08.55 | zen-parse | thanks |
| 13:09.04 | PerfDave | zen-parse: BTW, changing runlevels or anything to do with them in Debian is usually unnecessary. |
| 13:09.25 | zen-parse | ahh |
| 13:09.52 | zen-parse | im a long time bsd users.. and last time i used linux was a few years back and recall changing init levels stopped it from booting to dm |
| 13:09.58 | beware | hello |
| 13:10.12 | sward | Run-levels, mainly just additional complication |
| 13:10.24 | beware | i have a problem with proftpd |
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| 13:10.53 | Guerin | beware: before you do anything else, install proftpd-doc |
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| 13:11.11 | beware | when i login, some of the times the login fails, and in the log it says "ProFTPD terminating (signal 11)" |
| 13:11.19 | beware | signal 11, SIGSEGV. segmentation fault. |
| 13:11.25 | beware | i didnt do anything weird with it |
| 13:11.30 | Guerin | beware: /msg dpkg sig11 |
| 13:11.30 | beware | this happens since the last week or so |
| 13:11.38 | beware | i know what a sig11 is, thanks |
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| 13:11.57 | PerfDave | beware: Are you running Sid? |
| 13:12.00 | beware | sarge. |
| 13:12.13 | Guerin | beware: pure sarge, unadulterated? |
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| 13:12.23 | beware | yes. ill check again to be sure |
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| 13:12.28 | beware | and yes i just did an apt-get upgrade |
| 13:12.32 | PerfDave | beware: What's changed in the last couple of weeks, which may be responsible. |
| 13:12.40 | gnd | hi |
| 13:12.44 | beware | yes pure sarge |
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| 13:12.53 | beware | nothing on my side. |
| 13:13.05 | Guerin | beware: your sources.list says 'sarge' or 'stable', not 'testing'? |
| 13:13.18 | beware | sarge. |
| 13:13.21 | Guerin | goodgood |
| 13:13.24 | Guerin | just making sure |
| 13:13.25 | Guerin | ok |
| 13:13.28 | gnd | I'm using debian unstable, and I just noticed my K menu is totally empty |
| 13:13.44 | mysurfguide | strange, i couldnt get my hard working with freebsd once cause of sig 11, shut it down. said was either memory or hardware resource problem |
| 13:13.47 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 13:13.47 | dpkg | [sid faq] http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 13:13.54 | mysurfguide | harddrive* |
| 13:13.55 | tarzeau | gnd: that's normal, isn't it? |
| 13:14.00 | Guerin | beware: check bts, and security.d.o to see if there's anything there, failing that, check your ram. |
| 13:14.00 | zen-parse | PerfDave, apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm <-- i ran that like dpkg said but none of them where installed in the first place? |
| 13:14.22 | gnd | tarzeau: of course not |
| 13:14.23 | sward | gnd: Try update-menus, you may need to restart KDE for it to take effect (I don't know) |
| 13:14.33 | beware | hm. checking ram normally means memtest86 and system downtime |
| 13:14.36 | PerfDave | zen-parse: Then which "graphical login manager" are you using? |
| 13:14.41 | beware | i wonder if there are system/ram stress tests which i can just run from the shell |
| 13:14.43 | Guerin | beware: it does, that. |
| 13:14.52 | gnd | sward: wll try that, thanks |
| 13:14.52 | beware | (even if as root) |
| 13:14.55 | zen-parse | PerfDave, not sure lemme check ps ax |
| 13:15.11 | zen-parse | there is a gdmlogin in there |
| 13:15.15 | Guerin | beware: big image manipulations in gimp or similar? |
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| 13:15.26 | zen-parse | PerfDave, and gdm |
| 13:15.38 | Guerin | big == hundreds of megabytes, if you have any that big |
| 13:15.49 | PerfDave | zen-parse: How did you install gdm? |
| 13:16.07 | zen-parse | PerfDave, it must of installed it at installation |
| 13:16.11 | zen-parse | i did a net install |
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| 13:16.29 | hejux | hello |
| 13:16.29 | PerfDave | zen-parse: But "apt-get remove gdm" won't get rid of it? |
| 13:16.41 | hejux | hi |
| 13:16.49 | zen-parse | PerfDave, worked that time :) |
| 13:16.55 | Guerin | zen-parse: ... |
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| 13:17.01 | zen-parse | shall i remoe gdmlogin too? |
| 13:17.07 | sward | !nickometer 0x12 |
| 13:17.07 | dpkg | '0x12' is 99.150% lame, sward |
| 13:17.11 | sward | !nickometer O123456789 |
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| 13:17.20 | _joey | is there a robuts console based application that runs as daemon and nice interface that could be used on ms windows ? |
| 13:17.23 | PerfDave | zen-parse: I have no idea what gdmlogin is ;) |
| 13:17.25 | sward | getting better! |
| 13:17.26 | O123456789 | !nickometer sward |
| 13:17.26 | zen-parse | !nickometer zen-parse |
| 13:17.32 | _joey | console app == bittorrent app |
| 13:17.40 | PerfDave | _joey: How should we know about Windows? Ask #windows. |
| 13:17.52 | sward | oops, started a chain of bot abuse.. |
| 13:17.53 | gnd | update-menus and restarting kde didn't help |
| 13:17.54 | O123456789 | my nick isnt 0x12 |
| 13:17.54 | _joey | I am asking for console based linux app |
| 13:17.56 | O123456789 | its Ox12 |
| 13:17.58 | zen-parse | 1223 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/gdmlogin |
| 13:18.11 | _joey | and gui perhaps available on both platforms |
| 13:18.12 | O123456789 | !nickometer $ward |
| 13:18.17 | beware | hm. i could just code a stress test app for the purpose |
| 13:18.23 | _joey | so it could be accessed from various platforms |
| 13:18.27 | zen-parse | hrm |
| 13:18.47 | zen-parse | i removed it PerfDave but i get these odd errors... |
| 13:18.53 | zen-parse | lemme find a pastebot and show u |
| 13:18.56 | zen-parse | its about my locales |
| 13:19.09 | sward | O123456789: Getting worse then, I guess :( |
| 13:19.16 | PerfDave | zen-parse: /msg dpkg paste |
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| 13:20.03 | zen-parse | http://sial.org/pbot/12632 |
| 13:20.08 | zen-parse | check that out |
| 13:20.23 | zen-parse | its thoses errors about the locales,.. i noticed them on the boot up screen too. |
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| 13:20.51 | PerfDave | zen-parse: They're warnings, not errors, so they shouldn't be affecting apt-get's operation. |
| 13:20.54 | airco | :q |
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| 13:21.02 | PerfDave | zen-parse: However, you want to sort them out - /msg dpkg locales |
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| 13:21.10 | zen-parse | they arnt i want to sort it out tho |
| 13:21.12 | zen-parse | ok ;) |
| 13:21.14 | zen-parse | dud |
| 13:21.15 | zen-parse | dude |
| 13:21.22 | zen-parse | dpkg is THE guru :) |
| 13:21.27 | zen-parse | he knows everything |
| 13:21.29 | zen-parse | heh |
| 13:21.39 | PerfDave | zen-parse: /msg dpkg enter |
| 13:22.51 | zen-parse | which locale shall i select? |
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| 13:23.21 | gnd | where is the K menu of kde stored? |
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| 13:23.53 | SimonRaven | uh hunh... a bot or someone casing the chan |
| 13:25.49 | sward | SimonRaven: ? |
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| 13:28.49 | netman1 | I need to replace each '^Date: [string][space]' in 10000+files with '^Date: [that specific string],[space]'. How do I get that origninal string back in the sed replacement string? |
| 13:29.27 | mathieu_ | \1 |
| 13:29.38 | netman1 | mathieu_: thanks! |
| 13:29.56 | mathieu_ | netman1, use \( \) to define \1 |
| 13:30.34 | mathieu_ | s/\(.*\) \(.*\)/\2 \1/ |
| 13:30.41 | mathieu_ | that will swap two words for example |
| 13:31.22 | netman1 | mathieu_: was already trying. Thanks again ;-) |
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| 13:44.03 | pinks | How do I install the Java Runtime Environement? It doesn't appear to be packaged for sarge. |
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| 13:44.42 | drac | !tell pinks about java |
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| 13:45.19 | PerfDave | pinks: Which Java runtime environment? Most (especially Sun's) cannot be distributed by Debian because they have restrictive licensing agreemenrs. |
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| 13:45.21 | daveb | I am still trying to diagnose a sound issue with GAIM. My system is on debian unstable. The only sound options are command and consolse beep. I have ALSA installed and use that for other sound programs I think. |
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| 13:45.44 | pinks | PerfDave - thanks - just reading that now |
| 13:46.10 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 13:50.09 | mattys | Radiance, hello mate ;) ive just bought a new computer, a laptop.. amd 64bit cpu and ive got some trouble installing debian onto it.. any speciall dist/version i should use for 64 bit cpus? |
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| 13:51.44 | mattys | or anyone else may have an answer for me? |
| 13:51.49 | PerfDave | mattys: What type of 64-bit CPU? UltraSparc? |
| 13:52.04 | mattys | PerfDave, no amd 64.. |
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| 13:52.14 | PerfDave | mattys: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 13:52.19 | Radiance | mattys, cool :) |
| 13:52.31 | PerfDave | mattys: Though you should have no problem installing i386 Debian on an amd64 |
| 13:52.33 | mattys | Radiance, yeah its nice but i stil want linux on it ;) |
| 13:53.18 | daveb | so do I have a reasonable expectation that additional sound options should be available in GAIM besides console beep and command? |
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| 14:00.23 | mattys | so there isnt any iso file for deb-amd64 then? |
| 14:00.25 | mysurfguide | daveb, maybe try #gaim and ask them instead? |
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| 14:00.58 | gnd | was there something that got upgraded recently that broke the kde menu? |
| 14:01.03 | daveb | mysurfguide: makes sense. I was just wondering if there was some configuration in the debian version |
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| 14:01.24 | mysurfguide | oh, not too sure, im in #gaim, they like to help :) |
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| 14:02.33 | PerfDave | mattys: Did you read what dpkg told you about amd64? |
| 14:02.45 | mattys | PerfDave, yes i did.. |
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| 14:04.23 | mattys | found it, sarge-amd64 dvd ;) |
| 14:04.31 | PerfDave | mattys: /topic #debian-amd64 |
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| 14:05.15 | xim | why so many system accounts (sys,games,man,lp,mail,news,uucp,etc.) have /bin/sh as a shell. /bin/true should be fine with, no? |
| 14:05.21 | valdyn | daveb: what's wrong with using the 'command' ? |
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| 14:06.01 | daveb | valdyn: well, for one, when I have, say, some music playing, the GAIM sounds don't play until after the song is done. |
| 14:06.33 | valdyn | daveb: so you're not having a hardware or software mixer for multiple sounds at once |
| 14:06.55 | valdyn | daveb: thats got nothing to do with gaim. |
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| 14:08.46 | britt | can anybody tell me why i can't delete cyrus accounts when i could add them? |
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| 14:11.46 | tchino | somebody knows, how i can install java under debian sarge |
| 14:11.54 | valdyn | !java-package |
| 14:11.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, java-package is the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package).only in sarge and sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in woody. This packages lives in 'contrib', so make sure you have that in ... |
| 14:12.15 | jetscreamer | this packages |
| 14:12.28 | jetscreamer | engrish? spanglish? |
| 14:12.54 | jetscreamer | americangutter? |
| 14:13.26 | valdyn | !java-package |
| 14:13.26 | dpkg | methinks java-package is the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package).only in sarge and sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in woody. This package lives in 'contrib', so make sure you have that in your sources.list. ... |
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| 14:14.50 | zinosat | I'm having troubles running "apt-get upgrade" on my sid chroot: the cause seems to be fam. how can I fix that? |
| 14:14.55 | PerfDave | tchino: apt-get install free-java-sdk |
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| 14:15.52 | tchino | PerfDave: can you execute java-programms from the command-line |
| 14:16.33 | PerfDave | tchino: I believe so. |
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| 14:18.28 | tuxipuxi | hey, does anybody know in which package 'xv' is? |
| 14:18.40 | valdyn | !find bin/xv |
| 14:18.46 | tchino | PerfDave: i installed them now, i hope, that is going right |
| 14:18.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xv' (9 of 12): (/usr/bin/xvt) in x11/xvt ;; (/usr/bin/xvcg) in graphics/vcg ;; (/usr/bin/xvfb-run) in x11/xvfb ;; (/usr/bin/xvile) in editors/xvile ;; (/usr/X11R6/bin/xvkbd) in x11/xvkbd ;; (/usr/bin/xview) in graphics/xloadimage ;; (/usr/bin/xvnc4viewer) in net/xvnc4viewer ;; (/usr/bin/xvic) in contrib/otherosfs/vice ;; (/usr/bin/xvminitoppm) in graphics/netpbm. |
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| 14:19.12 | valdyn | tuxipuxi: xv itself is not in debian. |
| 14:19.17 | tuxipuxi | valdyn: damn :/ |
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| 14:19.37 | tuxipuxi | ah, it's non-free |
| 14:19.44 | narinux | how I install xorg, download which mirro xorg? |
| 14:20.01 | valdyn | narinux: in sarge? |
| 14:20.12 | narinux | yes |
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| 14:20.24 | valdyn | narinux: http://www.backports.org/ |
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| 14:20.47 | PerfDave | narinux: You have to use unofficial packages to install xorg in Sarge, is it really worth it? |
| 14:21.22 | jetscreamer | ah hey how do i get the colors when i boot, using the framebuffer? i can get the modes, but it's still b&w |
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| 14:22.28 | narinux | PerfDave, really not necessary of it, but I want to test xorg, and advantage usalo or continue xom xfree |
| 14:22.57 | jetscreamer | xorg is cool, least in sid.. i was gonna try a backport for etch maybe |
| 14:23.18 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Isn't it in etch by now |
| 14:23.19 | PerfDave | ? |
| 14:23.24 | jetscreamer | not yet |
| 14:23.48 | PerfDave | Cor, that's taking a while. |
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| 14:24.10 | jetscreamer | yeah well least it should function properly when it makes it |
| 14:24.44 | wishie[work] | im trying to get 'hotkeys' or 'lineak' to recognise keys on my keyboard. for the most part, they work, although some keys do not.. i ran 'evtest' to see what codes each key was producing, but this still doesnt help.. any other ideas i could try ? |
| 14:25.01 | tchino | PerfDave: i get the error: look at paste, my programm has the name: CalculateHoliday |
| 14:25.12 | PerfDave | tchino: What paste? |
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| 14:25.21 | PerfDave | tchino: I'm not a Java programmer. |
| 14:25.35 | Matej | good afternoon |
| 14:26.08 | paster | "tchino" at 84.138.144.140 pasted "java-free execute" (7 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/527 |
| 14:27.37 | tchino | why i can't enter the java-channel |
| 14:27.45 | stew | tchino: /msg nickserv help |
| 14:28.00 | stew | tchino: what is /own_scripts/CalculateHoliday? a java class? a .jar? |
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| 14:31.24 | tchino | stew: a java class |
| 14:31.27 | stew | wishie[work]: with evtest you don't see events being produced for these keys? (and you see events for others)? |
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| 14:32.51 | wishie[work] | stew: i see events for those keys.. but strangely, xev doesnt show events for those keys |
| 14:33.07 | stew | tchino: CalculateHoliday is a java class in the own_scripts pacakge? if so it should be "java own_scripts.CalculateHolidy" but you probably need to alter the CLASSPATH variable or use a -cp con the command line |
| 14:33.58 | tchino | no in the own_scripts-drectory |
| 14:34.01 | stew | wishie[work]: hrm. i am not familiar with evtest. but the general rule of thumb is that if you can see the events with xev you can't use the keys. are these multimedia keys or something? |
| 14:34.08 | stew | tchino: its a .class file or a .java file? |
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| 14:34.18 | wishie[work] | stew: yeah, multimedia keys. |
| 14:34.22 | tchino | no in the /own_scripts directory |
| 14:34.37 | wishie[work] | stew: some work, some dont. but, once upon a time, all worked in linux. |
| 14:34.38 | tchino | stew: i have both |
| 14:34.48 | wishie[work] | so perhaps something changed in the way linux kernel handles inputs ? |
| 14:35.03 | stew | tchino: is the CalculateHoliday class in a package? is there a "pacakage" statement in the .java file? |
| 14:35.32 | stew | wishie[work]: but you don't know how they were working before? |
| 14:35.35 | tchino | stew: yes |
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| 14:36.09 | wishie[work] | stew: with 'hotkeys' program. |
| 14:36.25 | stew | tchino: what package? |
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| 14:36.59 | E-bola | Do anybody here use nut (the ups software)? When my ups's go low battery mdoe after having pulled the plug, none of my systems shuts down, not evne the one diretly connected to the UPS. do anybody have any sugestions to what might be wrong? |
| 14:37.01 | tchino | stew: i have done apt-get install free-java-sdk |
| 14:37.21 | tchino | stew: what you mean with package |
| 14:37.49 | stew | tchino: in the .java file it says "package foo;" or something, what is foo? |
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| 14:38.20 | stew | wishie[work]: and when did it stop working? after an upgrade? |
| 14:38.45 | tchino | stew: can i copy my java.class to you |
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| 14:38.58 | wishie[work] | stew: ages ago, i think since the 2.4 to 2.6 kernel changes..ive only just been bothered to get them working again.. ive been using 2.6.x since they first came out |
| 14:39.05 | stew | tchino: all i need is the pacakge statement |
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| 14:42.41 | tapas | yo, debians lib6 dev package doesn't seem to suport pthread_mutexattr_settype |
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| 14:47.07 | twiny_ | Bonjour le chan debian :) |
| 14:47.26 | twiny_ | accepteriez vous d'aider un noob avec une sarge ? |
| 14:47.33 | sward | !fr |
| 14:47.33 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 14:47.43 | twiny_ | merci ;) |
| 14:47.46 | tchino | stew: now it goes, but don't ask me why |
| 14:47.52 | sward | twiny_: If you can speak english, it's okay to speak here |
| 14:48.10 | twiny_ | thanks for the chan fr name ;) |
| 14:48.35 | twiny_ | my english is not very good, and i hav a headhack cause of my sarge ;) |
| 14:48.42 | twiny_ | i think i prefer french help |
| 14:49.08 | sward | cool, good luck :) |
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| 14:51.30 | LinuxNIT | how do i check how much ram i have from the command line |
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| 14:51.47 | Mamo | Need help |
| 14:51.53 | Mamo | Hi @ all |
| 14:52.18 | Mamo | Brauche unterstützung |
| 14:52.35 | DarthSith | LinuxNIT with the command top |
| 14:52.41 | stew | !de |
| 14:52.41 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 14:52.52 | LinuxNIT | any special swithches |
| 14:53.04 | stew | LinuxNIT: free |
| 14:53.14 | stew | LinuxNIT: or cat /proc/meminfo |
| 14:53.31 | LinuxNIT | ok thanks guys i appreciate it |
| 14:53.40 | Mamo | #debian.de |
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| 14:53.48 | stew | Mamo: /join #debian.de |
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| 14:57.26 | metaperl | !mldonkey |
| 14:57.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mldonkey is a nice edonkey client, or at http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/mldonkey/ |
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| 15:00.35 | dos000 | anyone can explain why doing sed -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' -i '/tmp/test.c would still not replace all and doing cat /tmp/test.c | grep "\r\n" finds unreplaced lines ? |
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| 15:01.15 | yang | is there a tool to repair bad blocks on disk, to avoid them, or is it better to change disk? |
| 15:01.21 | timo- | how can i open .wmv (asf) files in linux |
| 15:01.48 | Rawplayer | mplayer? |
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| 15:01.54 | sward | dos000: You might be better off with dos2unix from sysutils |
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| 15:02.08 | sward | dos000: I don't know about the sed expression |
| 15:02.11 | finn_ | how do I found out wich version is used by debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 15:02.16 | valdyn | !dos2unix |
| 15:02.16 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 15:02.20 | dos000 | sward, i am just bafled tho |
| 15:02.54 | dos000 | valdyn, i tried tr and perl and they all seem to leave something behind |
| 15:03.21 | valdyn | dos000: maybe your file contains for whatever reason a '\r\r\n\n' |
| 15:03.32 | sward | funky |
| 15:03.37 | timo- | Rawplayer: it needs some "VDecoder" |
| 15:03.44 | dos000 | valdyn i tried multiple times ! |
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| 15:04.12 | dos000 | valdyn is there a way i can make these characters visible with vim ? |
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| 15:05.33 | greenpenguin | ? |
| 15:05.35 | greenpenguin | hello |
| 15:05.43 | UFO | hello |
| 15:05.50 | sward | dos000: I don't know about displaying them, but vim can also convert to unix format; :set fileformat=unix and :w |
| 15:05.55 | tchino | why i must a .fetchmailrc in my home-directory |
| 15:06.26 | valdyn | tchino: who's forcing you? |
| 15:06.30 | greenpenguin | anyone know whether a wireless router with a 200 foot range can get through 2 floors? |
| 15:06.33 | newmanbe | UFO: Hi. |
| 15:06.44 | sward | dos000: You could use xxd to display a hexdump also, but that might be difficult to follow |
| 15:06.44 | valdyn | greenpenguin: try |
| 15:06.58 | cmantito | anyone by chance using debian with SATA? |
| 15:07.07 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 15:07.07 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 15:07.31 | tchino | valdyn: i ask, because, an attacker can read your .fetchmailrc-file |
| 15:07.31 | Shadowcat | !anyone |
| 15:07.31 | PerfDave | cmantito: Not any more, I have done in the past. |
| 15:07.31 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 15:07.46 | PerfDave | greenpenguin: Depends on many, many, many factors. Impossible to say. |
| 15:07.50 | greenpenguin | anyone got any idea whether it's possible? |
| 15:08.24 | sward | greenpenguin: Test it? I have no idea |
| 15:08.28 | cmantito | I'm just having a major issue with my Sata card, the installer freezes when it tries to load the module sd_mod while detecting drives. |
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| 15:08.29 | asg | greenpenguin: it likely depends more on what the floors are made of and the directional sphere of the antenna. |
| 15:08.40 | cmantito | at least, I believe it's my sata card. |
| 15:08.44 | greenpenguin | it's two wooden floors and an omni directional antenna |
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| 15:08.50 | sward | *crash* |
| 15:09.00 | greenpenguin | lol |
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| 15:09.31 | asg | greenpenguin: then it might work, though the throughput will be reduced. |
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| 15:10.07 | greenpenguin | good - I'll give it a try thanx |
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| 15:11.26 | neuonyx | 'lo |
| 15:11.35 | neuonyx | anyone know why i cannot install dhcpd under 3.1? |
| 15:11.46 | neuonyx | it keeps telling me it needs libssl096 but i have 097 installed |
| 15:11.48 | neuonyx | :( |
| 15:11.50 | cmantito | is there any reason why some distros (slack, ubuntu) would work with my sata card (sil3112), and some wouldn't (debian, gentoo, arch)? |
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| 15:12.37 | asg | cmantito: kernel differences |
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| 15:13.17 | asg | neuonyx: you probably have some lingering woody sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list. Remove, apt-get update, try again. |
| 15:13.20 | cmantito | asg, they can all load the module for the sata card. arch complains about an IRQ problem, gentoo freezes, and debian's installer locks up, but dmesg says something about an unrecovered read error/IO error... |
| 15:14.00 | iaido | modprobe ip_queue works but upon reboot the module's gone again... insmod ip_queue says file not found. how do you get a module to auto-load on boot ? |
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| 15:14.24 | cmantito | it seems anything treating the card as part of the SCSI subsystem (/dev/sdX) will NOT work, but anything treating it as part of the IDE subsystem (/dev/hdX) works.. |
| 15:14.26 | valdyn | !info libssl096 sarge |
| 15:14.27 | asg | cmantito: no idea except that the kernels versions and patches are different between arch, gentoo, debian, slack, and ubuntu. |
| 15:14.45 | asg | valdyn: it would be libssl0.9.6 |
| 15:14.48 | neuonyx | asg: did that.. and it was a fresh install of sarge on a new box |
| 15:14.51 | UFO | iaido |
| 15:14.56 | UFO | /etc/modules |
| 15:14.59 | UFO | add it there |
| 15:15.14 | valdyn | !info libssl0.9.6 sarge |
| 15:15.18 | valdyn | !info libssl0.9.7 sarge |
| 15:15.18 | asg | neuonyx: apt-cache policy libssl0.9.7 |
| 15:15.25 | dpkg | libssl0.9.6: (SSL shared libraries (old version)), section oldlibs, is extra. Version: 0.9.6m-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1713 kB, Installed size: 3872 kB |
| 15:15.27 | dpkg | libssl0.9.7: (SSL shared libraries), section libs, is standard. Version: 0.9.7e-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2138 kB, Installed size: 4880 kB |
| 15:15.43 | iaido | UFO thanks; rebooting to see if it works. |
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| 15:16.16 | PerfDave | greenpenguin: It's worth noting that omnidirectional aerials are rarely truly omnidirectional. Usually they just radiate in an even manner around a horizontal plane. |
| 15:16.24 | neuonyx | asg: ? |
| 15:16.29 | neuonyx | asg: you want output? |
| 15:16.52 | asg | neuonyx: no, just verify the Installed version |
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| 15:17.14 | asg | neuonyx: it should be 0.9.7e-3 (for sarge) |
| 15:17.29 | UFO | is there a way to mount FTP filesystems in linux? |
| 15:17.43 | neuonyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.44 | neuonyx | yep |
| 15:18.00 | asg | neuonyx: what does apt-cache policy show for dhcpd then? |
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| 15:18.25 | neuonyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.39 | asg | neuonyx: which package is that? |
| 15:19.10 | neuonyx | dhcp |
| 15:19.15 | neuonyx | dhcpd selects dhcp instead |
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| 15:19.46 | tchino | i can not connect to the newsserver with a local user with slrn, but under root |
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| 15:20.11 | nyu | apt: oss? |
| 15:20.11 | apt | rumour has it, oss is a portable sound interface available in 11 different Un*x systems. The propietary package is available at http://www.opensound.com/. However, free systems like GNU/Linux or *BSD include free GPL/BSD re-implementations. an acronym that stands for "Open Source Software" |
| 15:20.12 | asg | neuonyx: do you have any non-standard sources? |
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| 15:20.41 | dafen | how to get suspend to ram and hibernate work on 2.6? |
| 15:20.51 | dafen | what steps do I have to do? |
| 15:21.03 | dafen | dpkg |
| 15:21.06 | dafen | !dpkg |
| 15:21.06 | dpkg | dpkg is probably the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack, or a smart infobot, or voltagex's friend |
| 15:21.16 | neuonyx | asg: its a standard installation and then using 'testing' branch |
| 15:21.20 | dafen | !dpkg suspend-to-memory |
| 15:21.25 | asg | neuonyx: then it isn't sarge |
| 15:21.35 | neuonyx | it says sarge |
| 15:21.41 | neuonyx | shrug |
| 15:21.46 | asg | neuonyx: if you have testing sources, it doesn't matter what it says. |
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| 15:22.07 | neuonyx | k... |
| 15:22.08 | neuonyx | ? |
| 15:22.17 | asg | neuonyx: or are you using an old pre-stable-sarge installer that considered testing to be sarge? |
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| 15:22.35 | neuonyx | i installed with sarch 3.1r0a |
| 15:22.40 | neuonyx | then |
| 15:22.43 | neuonyx | someone told me shit in there is old |
| 15:22.49 | neuonyx | so i modified my sources to say testing |
| 15:23.01 | asg | neuonyx: and did you do 'apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade'? |
| 15:23.05 | neuonyx | yep |
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| 15:23.19 | asg | !info libssl0.9.7 etch |
| 15:23.23 | dpkg | libssl0.9.7: (SSL shared libraries), section libs, is important. Version: 0.9.7e-3 (etch), Packaged size: 2138 kB, Installed size: 4880 kB |
| 15:23.25 | asg | !info dhcp etch |
| 15:23.27 | dpkg | dhcp: (DHCP server for automatic IP address assignment), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0pl5-19.1 (etch), Packaged size: 107 kB, Installed size: 304 kB |
| 15:23.41 | chealer | !tell dafen about msg the bot |
| 15:24.01 | tchino | i get as root the newsserver news.arcor.de but under the local user my servername as newsserver when i start slrn, what is the reason |
| 15:24.14 | jetscreamer | cool video=map:01 will map VC0 to FB0, VC1 to FB1, VC2 to FB0, VC3 to FB1.. |
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| 15:26.23 | |RABBIT| | greetings everyone |
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| 15:26.46 | lunatech | my cat /etc/debian_version shows 3.1 . what line do I add to the sources.list file to get non-us software |
| 15:26.47 | dafen | I did |
| 15:26.52 | dafen | but dpkg tells nothing |
| 15:26.53 | |RABBIT| | looking for a how-to on replacing the kernel of any debian installer (be it cd or fd set) |
| 15:26.54 | UFO | why doesn't my Soundblaster 16 work when i load it BEFORE i log on to my desktop? |
| 15:27.02 | dafen | !dpkg hibernate |
| 15:27.03 | |RABBIT| | any link appreciated (google doesn't help much) |
| 15:27.05 | UFO | it only works when i load the module when xmms is already started |
| 15:27.06 | asg | lunatech: non-us or non-free? |
| 15:27.14 | valdyn | !custum d-i |
| 15:27.15 | neuonyx | asg: so what do i do here then? |
| 15:27.17 | valdyn | !custom d-i |
| 15:27.17 | dpkg | i guess custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 15:27.23 | lunatech | non-us asg |
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| 15:27.27 | asg | lunatech: /topic |
| 15:27.45 | asg | neuonyx: figure out what broke. Ask someone who uses testing. Investigate the BTS. |
| 15:28.21 | lunatech | asg: nothing broke - was doing a apt-get update and kept getting 404 messages |
| 15:28.41 | lildude | hey guys media was auto found byy debain |
| 15:28.46 | neuonyx | asg: can i just install the older library ? |
| 15:28.49 | neuonyx | at the same time? |
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| 15:29.20 | asg | neuonyx: sure, something is still broken though |
| 15:29.22 | |RABBIT| | very well :) |
| 15:29.23 | |RABBIT| | 10x |
| 15:29.43 | neuonyx | how can i specify which version to install? |
| 15:29.48 | chealer | dafen: it's because there's no such factoid. you won't get better results annoying everyone |
| 15:29.51 | Shadow98 | hey guys i ran bastille and now i can't ssh into my box....how do i fix this |
| 15:30.04 | asg | lunatech: as the topic says, there is no non-us in debian post-woody. |
| 15:30.13 | UFO | why doesn't my Soundblaster 16 work when i load it BEFORE i log on to my desktop? it only works when i load the module when xmms is already started.. |
| 15:30.13 | asg | neuonyx: apt-get install libssl0.9.6 |
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| 15:30.45 | asg | Shadow98: read the instructions before installing software. |
| 15:30.52 | nvz | UFO: who knows. get it to where it doesnt work and go from there |
| 15:31.01 | neuonyx | E: Package libssl0.9.6 has no installation candidate |
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| 15:31.14 | dafen | coz you r a annoyer ,meathead chealer |
| 15:31.19 | lunatech | asg: so I don't have to worry about adding the non-us repo for getting ssh - corrext ? |
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| 15:31.26 | asg | lunatech: correct |
| 15:31.34 | asg | !Info libssl0.9.6 etch |
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| 15:31.39 | asg | !info libssl0.9.6 etch |
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| 15:31.48 | Shadow98 | asg: good idea |
| 15:31.52 | lunatech | asg: thanks. I am still new to debian, used redhat earlier |
| 15:32.04 | Shadow98 | asg: now that i havent read how do i fix it... |
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| 15:32.19 | asg | Shadow98: sounds like a firewall issue or AllowUsers being set in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. Check /var/log/auth.log |
| 15:32.58 | clavner | I was installing debian using the net installer but I need to go back to the initial setup options is there any way I can do that? |
| 15:33.06 | asg | clavner: base-config |
| 15:34.14 | tchino | when i do fetchmail, i get the message /etcfetchmailrc must be own by you, i do this normal by sudeor |
| 15:34.31 | clavner | before that the one where I get the dhcp options and the partitioning options etc |
| 15:34.31 | asg | neuonyx: well, on a sarge (stable) box, dhcp doesn't ask for libssl0.9.6, it isn't installed, so whatever you *are* running should not be asking for libssl0.9.6 while installing dhcp. |
| 15:35.04 | nvz | clavner: thats called reinstalling |
| 15:35.16 | nvz | clavner: if you repartition your data is gone |
| 15:35.32 | clavner | shoot :P thanks anyways |
| 15:35.43 | lildude | hey how do you hook up speakers to play music via tv? |
| 15:35.43 | asg | lunatech: this doesn't happen to be a sarge installer cd obtained by buying some magazine does it? |
| 15:35.46 | Shadow98 | asg: it is completely refusing the ssh connection from my pc |
| 15:35.55 | nvz | clavner: if you just want to chage network settings you can do that without the installer |
| 15:35.59 | Shadow98 | asg: says refused connection from 10.30.10.2 |
| 15:36.00 | asg | Shadow98: nothing in /var/log/auth.log (on the maching running sshd) |
| 15:36.10 | nvz | lildude: what? |
| 15:36.24 | asg | Shadow98: also, try iptables -vL (see if anything ssh related is listed.) |
| 15:36.25 | Shadow98 | asg: that is what it is saying in auth.log |
| 15:36.27 | lildude | i am trying to runs a medaia set up |
| 15:36.33 | lildude | sound from pc to tv |
| 15:37.05 | nvz | lildude: run a 1/8" Phono to RCA cable from the speaker out to the audio in |
| 15:37.19 | lunatech | asg: no |
| 15:37.27 | lildude | oh i ran two to tv |
| 15:37.41 | lildude | one out from pc two in to tv |
| 15:37.51 | lildude | a spliter from the store |
| 15:38.14 | nvz | lildude: I dont understand why you would need a splitter, but whatever |
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| 15:38.44 | nvz | they make cables that go from one stereo phono jack to two rca jacks |
| 15:39.09 | lildude | ok nvz thats what i got |
| 15:39.48 | nvz | I dont see how this would benefit anything.. you are essentially using an expensive tv as a $2 speaker |
| 15:39.54 | ooev | is is possible to shink the 3.1 CD1 to <600M |
| 15:40.17 | ooev | for 3.0, it's always the case. i can reuse the CDRW disc. |
| 15:40.27 | nvz | tv's usually got shitty sound compared to even junky speakers and they are made to do audio and video, you are now breaking the audio part |
| 15:41.06 | lildude | ok nz thanks il stick with pc speakers |
| 15:41.31 | nvz | most tvs if you plug in audio cables the tv's sound doesnt work anymore |
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| 15:42.01 | lildude | ok nvz |
| 15:42.04 | tarzeau | hi nvz |
| 15:42.16 | peterN | how dangerous is it to update etch right now? It seems that ABI changes hit it right now, libstdc5 and g++, cpp would like to get updated.... |
| 15:42.20 | asg | lunatech: then I'd find someone here who is running testing and see if they can replicate the problem. |
| 15:42.23 | tarzeau | peterN: very |
| 15:42.24 | nvz | tarzeau: not really. but I wouldnt complain if I was |
| 15:42.31 | lildude | thanks nvz |
| 15:42.35 | tarzeau | nvz: i just said "hi" ;) |
| 15:42.50 | UFO | nvz, it looks like the OSS Driver only works if the Soundblaster 16 module isn't loaded when my X desktop is starting |
| 15:43.07 | UFO | but the eSound output plugin works |
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| 15:43.40 | nvz | UFO: well this is because esd is running and using the OSS device that the OSS driver wants to use |
| 15:43.54 | nvz | UFO: would be my guess. |
| 15:44.01 | UFO | hm |
| 15:44.05 | harleyg | how do i encrpyt a word or something in linux with md5 |
| 15:44.11 | harleyg | uis there a command for it? |
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| 15:44.23 | UFO | but if i don't use esound, OSS driver still doesn't work |
| 15:44.23 | tarzeau | harleyg: openssl md5 |
| 15:44.31 | tarzeau | harleyg: or md5sum or mkpasswd |
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| 15:44.43 | UFO | only if i load the sb16 module after the desktop and oss driver is loaded |
| 15:44.43 | nvz | UFO: you either have to use esd, loose esd, or I heard there is a new option called dmix |
| 15:44.45 | PF | Would anyone know why after a new install of Debian (Sarge), that my IRC client (BitchX) session will time out after (lets say) 10 to 15 minutes? |
| 15:44.48 | peterN | tarzeau: that's too bad. :-< I am pretty experienced with debian and also able to handle a bunch of trouble but I am little afraid of this ABI change. |
| 15:44.51 | harleyg | i want to encypt user input into md5 |
| 15:45.10 | tarzeau | peterN: just keep using sarge for the next 3 months |
| 15:45.11 | dos000 | is there a way to know the pos (in terms of bytes) of the cursor in vim ? |
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| 15:45.23 | nvz | UFO: if esd is running its using the sound card this is why I told you get it to where it doesnt work and dont fuck with it |
| 15:45.42 | nvz | UFO: then we can see what the problem is by looking at what modules are loaded and what files are in use |
| 15:45.51 | UFO | hm |
| 15:45.54 | peterN | testing/unstable with some experience and there's a chance to use KDE/mozialland alike? |
| 15:46.21 | UFO | it is now at a point where OSS doesn't work anymore |
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| 15:46.56 | nvz | UFO: what modules are loaded? use paster, #flood, or a pastebin to show output of lsmod |
| 15:47.17 | peterN | tarzeau: no I wont go back to sarge. ;) I'd rather keep etch as it is right now, it's my laptop, so not that much security concerns. servers are on woody/sarge... |
| 15:47.34 | UFO | nvz, can't i just pm you? ;) |
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| 15:48.09 | nvz | UFO: there are no "PM" in IRC and no you can't |
| 15:48.14 | Xybernaut | hi, i m add httpd.conf line AddDefaultCharset ISO-8859-9 and restart apache web server but charset don't working why? |
| 15:48.31 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: browser problem? |
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| 15:48.39 | Xybernaut | tarzeau, no |
| 15:48.45 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: what url? |
| 15:48.54 | Xybernaut | tarzeau, www.malatyam.org |
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| 15:49.38 | peterN | tarzeau, thx for the advice |
| 15:49.42 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: Content-Type: gives me charset=iso-8859-1 ... |
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| 15:49.49 | Xybernaut | tarzeau, What is modules.conf charset modules line ? |
| 15:49.54 | dos000 | can anyone explain *why* doing grep "\r\n" shows some lines containing the characters while in vim it says cant find the pattern. stress again on why ! |
| 15:49.58 | UFO | nvz, http://pastebin.com/342316 |
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| 15:50.03 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: i have no idea, i've only edited httpd.conf |
| 15:50.14 | Xybernaut | tarzeau, ok thanks :) |
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| 15:51.07 | peterN | dos000, maybe because vim handles those lineend problems very smart? |
| 15:51.08 | nvz | UFO: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 15:51.14 | nvz | UFO: does that show anything? |
| 15:51.16 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: try set the charset in one html page? |
| 15:51.24 | UFO | nvz: i'll try |
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| 15:51.51 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: yuck, index.html -> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=windows-1254"> |
| 15:51.56 | Ox12 | hello, How to install qmail pls? |
| 15:52.03 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: sen malatyadanmiydin? |
| 15:52.08 | cn | how i do a tar of / ? |
| 15:52.09 | tarzeau | !qmail |
| 15:52.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or ... |
| 15:52.10 | dos000 | peterN, any editor that is not samrt as vim out there ? |
| 15:52.14 | tarzeau | !tar |
| 15:52.14 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 15:52.17 | Xybernaut | tarzeau, Evet moskovadayim suan. |
| 15:52.23 | tarzeau | dos000: mcedit |
| 15:52.29 | Ox12 | !lol |
| 15:52.29 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a lOler. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
| 15:52.30 | cmantito | hmm... if the debian installer froze while probing the sata card and I killed debconf from the second console, and debconf unfroze itself when I did that and is continuing install...is that a bad thing? |
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| 15:52.49 | tarzeau | cmantito: guess that's fine :) |
| 15:53.02 | cmantito | s'worth a shot in my book ^^ |
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| 15:53.26 | cmantito | shite. no HDs found to install to.. |
| 15:53.30 | PerfDave | cmantito: Well, it's probably not a *good* thing. |
| 15:53.32 | sward | dos000: To find the cursor position, g C-g -- an editor not as smart as vim, hmm, cat? |
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| 15:53.49 | cmantito | PerfDave, doesn't have to be good, needs to work. |
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| 15:55.06 | sombra | is: Official netinst images for the "stable" release ok if my goal is to install only the basics of the debian system (apt-get install packages can handle the rest)? |
| 15:55.22 | UFO | nvz, yes |
| 15:55.28 | nvz | ? |
| 15:55.35 | UFO | lsof /dev/dsp |
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| 15:56.07 | UFO | shows something |
| 15:56.12 | sombra | PerfDave, nvz do you use the full installation CD or just netinst images? |
| 15:56.13 | nvz | UFO: what? |
| 15:56.18 | UFO | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 15:56.18 | UFO | esd 679 ivo 5w CHR 14,3 1102197 /dev/dsp0 |
| 15:56.19 | UFO | esd |
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| 15:56.41 | tid-wave | hello ! how can I configure xdm to automatically login a user when booting ? |
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| 15:57.17 | nvz | UFO: yeah thats what I said earlier. you are using esd. its a sound mixing daemon your soundblaster has only one channel that is in use.. therefore you cannot use OSS output drivers that send sound to /dev/dsp you have yo send sounds using an Esound output plugin |
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| 15:57.17 | dos000 | i just did dos2unix on a file but grep still finds "\r\n" $%^&$%&^ thing |
| 15:57.22 | nvz | UFO: or stop using ESD |
| 15:57.34 | UFO | eh |
| 15:57.34 | UFO | wait |
| 15:57.41 | UFO | i'll try to reboot |
| 15:57.42 | PerfDave | sombra: You can use either. Read the Installation Manual. |
| 15:57.47 | UFO | and then do it the way it works |
| 15:57.49 | UFO | and look again |
| 15:57.52 | nvz | UFO: try killing it |
| 15:57.55 | nvz | then it will work |
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| 15:58.38 | sombra | PerfDave, I just wan't to make sure, I run a script after the installation that download each package that I really want, but is there some disadvantages about the netinst images when speaking of securty etc? |
| 15:58.51 | UFO | so.. esd doesn't start when there is no soundcard |
| 15:58.53 | PerfDave | sombra: What do you mean? |
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| 15:59.01 | UFO | but OSD does |
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| 15:59.23 | nvz | OSD is On Screen Display. you lost me |
| 15:59.25 | dob1 | hi |
| 15:59.29 | UFO | oh |
| 15:59.30 | UFO | eh |
| 15:59.35 | dos000 | sward i am bafled here cat,vim,dos2unix all seem to confirm that \r\n is not present excpet our friend grep |
| 15:59.56 | UFO | not OSD.. OSS |
| 16:00.13 | sally_ | Where do I set network options for a wireless card in debian? In mandrake I edit ifcfg-wlan0 and in slackware I edit the wlan0 entries in rc.inet1.conf, where do I set up the wireless card in debian? |
| 16:00.16 | sombra | PerfDave, the full cd is not needed if you only need to install Debian as a webserver if you use apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 apache php5 etc, right? |
| 16:00.20 | nvz | OSS is Open Sound System it is a kernel sound subsystem that the driver speaks to |
| 16:00.43 | sward | dos000: What's youre grep command line? |
| 16:00.47 | UFO | wich one would you recommend, nvz ? |
| 16:00.49 | sward | s/youre/your/ |
| 16:00.50 | nvz | its the module "soundcore" |
| 16:00.54 | PerfDave | sombra: If you just have the netinst image, you can install anything you like from the 'net. Personally, I find it easier to use the first full CD (or DVD), but it's not required. |
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| 16:01.06 | emurz | how can I display the temps of both my CPU and Mobo? |
| 16:01.11 | nvz | UFO: they are completly different pieces of code, and work together just fine |
| 16:01.13 | dos000 | sward grep "\r\n" file.c |
| 16:01.24 | UFO | nvz, i mean.. esd or OSS |
| 16:01.48 | nvz | UFO: OSS is a fucking kernel sound module esd is a fucking user-space program |
| 16:01.56 | sombra | PerfDave, right, so why is the full CD easier in your opinion? |
| 16:01.56 | nvz | how many times do I have to say that |
| 16:02.00 | UFO | yes |
| 16:02.17 | UFO | and they don't work together.. |
| 16:02.24 | sally_ | has anyone set up a wireless card in debian? |
| 16:02.25 | UFO | so wich one do you recommend? |
| 16:02.26 | nvz | UFO: yes they do work together |
| 16:02.28 | UFO | oh |
| 16:02.30 | UFO | hm |
| 16:02.31 | PerfDave | sombra: Because it reduces the time between booting the installer and having a fully-working system, at the expense of taking longer to download in the firs tplace. |
| 16:02.46 | nvz | UFO: you have to send ALL SOUNDS TO ESD when its running because the sound card is in use BY ESD |
| 16:02.50 | PerfDave | sally_: You set up wireless cards in /etc/network/interfaces same as any other network interface |
| 16:02.56 | sward | dos000: I didn't even manage to get grep to produce anything from a file with DOS line-endings with that command :/ |
| 16:03.05 | nvz | UFO: if you want to use the soundcard directly you have to kill esd |
| 16:03.06 | sally_ | PerfDave, thanks |
| 16:03.14 | sombra | PerfDave, ok =), thats a god answer |
| 16:03.38 | PerfDave | sally_: You may want to install the wireless-tools package, and read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools |
| 16:03.48 | UFO | nvz, yes.. ok... ehh.. |
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| 16:04.40 | dos000 | sward try grep "\r" |
| 16:04.57 | nvz | UFO: your card and OSS sound module in the kernel can only have one thing at a time using it. this is why ESD and artsd were invented. they use the sound card and anything that wants to play a sound sends it to them to be mixed. this allows you to play music through XMMS or such and still have other programs make sounds at the same time.. because the user-space program mixes the sounds and sends them to the sound driver through one channel |
| 16:05.05 | dos000 | sward i still dont get th why ! |
| 16:05.19 | sward | dos000: I did, that got results, maybe it converts \r ? |
| 16:05.36 | sombra | PerfDave, but if I install Debian without any extra packages, that should be the same as the netinst or is there more differenses? |
| 16:05.43 | UFO | ok, nvz, i think i understand |
| 16:05.54 | dos000 | sward even if you run dos2unix on the file grep will still find \r in it ! |
| 16:05.54 | sombra | PerfDave, install Debian from the full CD* |
| 16:06.09 | UFO | nvz, so i'll just keep ESD |
| 16:06.16 | UFO | and use the ESD output |
| 16:06.18 | PerfDave | sombra: It's the same as the netinst, you just have more packages on the CD so you don't need to download them. |
| 16:06.48 | nvz | UFO: thats fine.. you will eventually come across something that doesnt have ESD output and this will be where it becomes a problem again. |
| 16:07.06 | sward | dos000: Try viewing a hexdump of the file just to confirm that the \r's are really not there, the grep behaviour sounds silly |
| 16:07.21 | UFO | nvz: maybe |
| 16:07.32 | UFO | nvz: but i'll have to live with that |
| 16:07.36 | nvz | UFO: this is why they are working on a new project to adress sound daemon issues called dmix. I havent yet tried it or know anything more about it. all I know is its a lower-level approach at mixing then the others |
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| 16:07.48 | _joey | does samba work over wireless ? |
| 16:08.01 | sward | dos000: xxd file | grep 0d |
| 16:08.11 | UFO | _joey, yes |
| 16:08.12 | PerfDave | _joey: There's no reason why it shouldn't. |
| 16:08.29 | nvz | UFO: Gnome and enlightenment use Esound, and KDE uses Artsd. if you tried to run k3b for example which wants to write to artsd it would not work because ESD is already using the sound |
| 16:08.30 | UFO | as long as TCP connections are possible |
| 16:08.33 | UFO | samba should work |
| 16:08.38 | sombra | PerfDave, perfect, then the full CD is waste of time if you have internet and don't use tasksel and replace this with a script |
| 16:08.38 | _joey | fsck |
| 16:08.52 | sward | dos000: that may bring up some false lines, because of the address, I'm sure there's a better way somewhere (and yes, it still uses grep :) ) |
| 16:09.05 | UFO | nvz, and artsd can't send it's output to ESound ? |
| 16:09.05 | PerfDave | sombra: No, as I said, the full CD gets you from bootup to a running system more quickly. |
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| 16:09.18 | PerfDave | dmix is a software sound mixer like ESD or aRts, but built into ALSA (and the kernel). Avoiding user-space daemons like ESD and aRts wherever possible is a hugely good idea. |
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| 16:09.25 | dos000 | sward, yes line nbr are there |
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| 16:09.46 | adaran | can reading an sd card alter its state? |
| 16:09.50 | sombra | PerfDave, how many bootups is during a netinst? |
| 16:10.02 | _joey | <---- wanker |
| 16:10.18 | PerfDave | sombra: What do you mean? |
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| 16:10.38 | _joey | I restricted connection to a network in smb.conf and use old config file on another network |
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| 16:11.05 | sombra | PerfDave, Do you know how many times the system reboots during a netinst before the installation procedure is complete? |
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| 16:11.26 | PerfDave | sombra: You boot the machine once with the CD, and once to boot from your new installation. |
| 16:11.53 | dob1 | i am trying to create an initrd image, but mkinitrd -o initrd kernel_version doesn't do nothing and i don't get any error |
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| 16:12.21 | dos000 | sward i just xxd dumped the bytes at the location reported by grep .. no \r in there ! |
| 16:12.45 | sombra | PerfDave, ok |
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| 16:12.56 | nvz | UFO: not that I know of. artsd and esd both do the same thing, open /dev/dsp for writing and wait for something to send them sounds to be mixed. so they are mutually exlusive. unless as I understand you use dmix. which is suppose to be a more low-level sound mixer that plays nice with others. It was apperently created to address such problems |
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| 16:13.09 | halibut | Does anyone have any idea when this bug will be fixed? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318098 |
| 16:13.30 | PerfDave | nvz: aRts and ESD are not mutually exclusive. aRts can use ESD, ALSA, and many other things as a backend. |
| 16:13.31 | sward | dos000: Just a \n? That's what I thought, I had a file with only unix line-endings, I know because I created it, and grep "\r" printed all lines |
| 16:13.33 | jair | hello guys |
| 16:13.46 | jair | how is everything going today? |
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| 16:15.26 | nvz | PerfDave: I wasnt aware of that. |
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| 16:15.52 | PerfDave | nvz: I have no idea what ESD can do, mind ;) |
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| 16:16.01 | sward | arts->esd->alsa.. ewwwwwwww! |
| 16:16.20 | sward | (arts|esd)->alsa is bad enough |
| 16:16.32 | stew | PerfDave: can alsa not do software mixing easily now? |
| 16:16.53 | PerfDave | stew: No. |
| 16:16.53 | sward | AFAIK, it just worked |
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| 16:17.02 | nvz | PerfDave: all I know is I have had some nasty experiences with sounds in linux in the past. and people who are newbies just dont understand why they cant use XMMS(OSS), dopewars(esd), and k3b(artsd) all at the same time. and I usually dont know what to tell them |
| 16:17.27 | PerfDave | nvz: Tell them "Get an emu10k1-based card or somethign else that supports hardware mixing with ALSA" ;) |
| 16:17.31 | nvz | PerfDave: I will probably read up on this dmix thing today it seems like the best compromise from what I understand |
| 16:17.49 | nvz | PerfDave: yeah as I understand better cards allow such hardware mixing |
| 16:17.50 | sward | ah, that'll be why it "just works", I have an emu10k1 :D |
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| 16:17.59 | PerfDave | nvz: I've never gotten dmix to work, I just know that it's supposed to be ALSA's built-in software mixer. |
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| 16:18.18 | PerfDave | nvz: I gave up and bought a cheap SoundBlaster ;) |
| 16:19.29 | UFO | hm |
| 16:19.32 | nvz | PerfDave: yeah when I built my cousin a pc he wanted to use it for light sound production. he and his friends are wanna-be rap superstars so I had him buy a SB Live which at the time was about $60 it had lots of input/output jacks and was a decent low-end card |
| 16:20.06 | UFO | i have a SB Live 5.1 |
| 16:20.14 | UFO | now i have to get it to work |
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| 16:21.04 | nvz | UFO: yeah the SB Live! has an Emu10k1 its much better than that antique SB16 you are using |
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| 16:21.22 | UFO | i know |
| 16:21.23 | UFO | i know |
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| 16:21.34 | UFO | just set up a windows box for line-in streaming |
| 16:21.45 | UFO | first tried using SB16: too slow capturing |
| 16:21.52 | UFO | then two pci cards... |
| 16:22.08 | UFO | that works much better |
| 16:22.30 | nvz | I've done that before with a SB Live and Sox on linux worked pretty well |
| 16:22.34 | UFO | first i thought that its cpu wasn't fast enough |
| 16:22.44 | UFO | yes.. Linux would be better |
| 16:22.59 | UFO | but i didn't get my soundcard to work until today |
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| 16:23.12 | nvz | the thing that ammused me when I setup that pc for my cousin is that the drivers for the emu10k1 worked better in linux than the windows ones that shipped with the hardware |
| 16:23.22 | UFO | lol |
| 16:23.35 | PerfDave | nvz: It's not exactly unusual for hardware to work better in Linux than in Windows ;) |
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| 16:23.44 | UFO | is there also a linux app that makes it possible to use multiple recorders at the same time? |
| 16:23.45 | DaDave | hi all |
| 16:24.01 | nvz | like in linux I could individually control volume of the outputs and suh didnt let me do that in windows |
| 16:24.06 | DaDave | my fonts in all gtk-based programms are extremly small. how can i configure them? |
| 16:24.27 | UFO | yes.. linux is much better |
| 16:24.36 | nvz | this damn putty program is annyoing me. keeps like trying to scroll when I am using irssi in a screen session |
| 16:24.37 | UFO | but i can't live without some games |
| 16:24.44 | UFO | and vmware is too slow to run them |
| 16:24.49 | nvz | the bottome line I type in keeps dissapearing temp |
| 16:24.58 | PerfDave | UFO: Really? You'd actually die if you didn't play them? |
| 16:25.02 | halibut | UFO, some games run natively in linux :/ |
| 16:25.09 | UFO | no, PerfDave |
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| 16:25.13 | UFO | halibut, SOME games |
| 16:25.15 | halibut | UFO, what games are they? |
| 16:25.19 | UFO | likt Unreal Tournament.....? |
| 16:25.21 | halibut | yup |
| 16:25.22 | UFO | like |
| 16:25.24 | UFO | hm |
| 16:25.26 | UFO | yes |
| 16:25.28 | halibut | UT2004 runs linux |
| 16:25.29 | UFO | but not all games |
| 16:25.32 | halibut | descent 3 also :) |
| 16:25.38 | PerfDave | Doom 3 runs in Linux, UT2k4 runs in Linux, Alpha Centauri runs in Linux, Enemy Territory runs in Linux. That makes me happy :) |
| 16:25.38 | biteme | hi |
| 16:25.39 | halibut | no, but you do have some choice |
| 16:25.47 | UFO | maybe i'm gonna set up a multiboot system |
| 16:25.51 | halibut | crack attack runs in linux :D |
| 16:25.53 | halibut | best game ever |
| 16:26.00 | PerfDave | Supertux runs in Linux! |
| 16:26.04 | halibut | heheh |
| 16:26.06 | nvz | most anything that uses or can use OpenGL can run in linux |
| 16:26.08 | yoo | and quake3 ! |
| 16:26.08 | DaDave | any idea how to change the font setting for gtk-based apps? gnome-font-properties does not affect any gtk based apps no my machine. |
| 16:26.08 | giojotoca | i like learning inglish |
| 16:26.10 | halibut | penguin minesweeper! |
| 16:26.19 | nvz | and most anything DirectX will run with cedega |
| 16:26.22 | UFO | multiboot.. and when i boot windows i can boot linux in vmware |
| 16:26.25 | sombra | is Woody 3.0 or 3.1 in etc/debian_version? |
| 16:26.28 | PerfDave | nvz: Though once Vista arrives, even fewer games will use OpenGL. |
| 16:26.34 | PerfDave | sombra: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 16:26.44 | PerfDave | nvz: Cedega isn't the same as having a Linux version though. |
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| 16:26.47 | nvz | PerfDave: whats a vista? |
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| 16:26.54 | nvz | PerfDave: oh of course not |
| 16:26.59 | PerfDave | nvz: The next version of Windows, which cripples OpenGL. |
| 16:27.00 | sally_ | PerfDave, thanks, /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian was exactly what I needed |
| 16:27.01 | halibut | why do the debian repos not have latest version of amaroK? Is there a repo with latest version? |
| 16:27.03 | UFO | [18:25:55] <nvz> most anything that uses or can use OpenGL can run in linux |
| 16:27.04 | nvz | PerfDave: neither is trying to play a windows opengl with wine :P |
| 16:27.08 | UFO | if they would port their code |
| 16:27.09 | biteme | when the next stable release of debian |
| 16:27.21 | PerfDave | nvz: I don't do that either. |
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| 16:27.31 | PerfDave | nvz: All my Linux games have native Linux ports. |
| 16:27.36 | edolnx | Greetings. I have a system that I would like to upgrade libc6 on, but apt-get says it's being held back with a number of other packages. How do I correct this? |
| 16:27.42 | sombra | PerfDave, thanks again |
| 16:27.43 | UFO | GTA San Andreas? |
| 16:27.45 | nvz | PerfDave: I dont play games anymore cause of this |
| 16:27.45 | UFO | Worms ? |
| 16:27.46 | UFO | :P |
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| 16:27.53 | nvz | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. ProSavage KM133 (rev 03) |
| 16:27.53 | PerfDave | edolnx: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 16:28.04 | UFO | Worms could probably even run in VMWare |
| 16:28.07 | edolnx | PerfDave: amd64 |
| 16:28.12 | PerfDave | edolnx: Which branch? |
| 16:28.13 | giojotoca | how to use cedega |
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| 16:28.18 | edolnx | PerfDave: sarge, I think. |
| 16:28.19 | PerfDave | giojotoca: Go and buy it. |
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| 16:28.28 | filip_ | dont whant to to much in consoll. |
| 16:28.31 | UFO | apt-get install cedega ? |
| 16:28.33 | filip_ | opps |
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| 16:28.44 | filip_ | how can i setup an ftp server fo my friends easy ? i dont whant to to much in consoll. |
| 16:28.48 | edolnx | PerfDave: at least, sarge is what I'm trying to get to |
| 16:28.52 | PerfDave | edolnx: If you're trying to install a newer version of libc6 with apt-get then you're not running Sarge. |
| 16:28.59 | biteme | i am using vmware 5.0 and also using xen |
| 16:29.01 | PerfDave | edolnx: What are you trying to get to Sarge *from*? |
| 16:29.16 | edolnx | PerfDave: The old Pure64 tree |
| 16:29.31 | PerfDave | edolnx: Hmm. You probably want to ask #debian-amd64 about that. |
| 16:29.52 | edolnx | PerfDave: There doesn |
| 16:30.06 | edolnx | 't seem to be anyone there right now, but I'll keep trying. Thanks! |
| 16:30.30 | biteme | all how do i get unreal to run on debian |
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| 16:31.23 | mathieu_ | biteme, use the force! (i mean, google) |
| 16:31.25 | filip_ | is it noone that know how i can setup an ftp server? |
| 16:31.29 | PerfDave | biteme: Which Unreal? |
| 16:31.52 | biteme | (all) force |
| 16:32.12 | biteme | unreal tourment 2004 |
| 16:32.20 | mega | hello, is there an alternative to snapshots.debian.net? |
| 16:32.31 | mega | they lost the packages I'm interested in |
| 16:32.35 | PerfDave | biteme: There's a Linux install script on the install CD / DVD? |
| 16:32.46 | mega | namely xfree86 4.3.0-4 |
| 16:33.07 | biteme | perfdave i am ubuntu |
| 16:33.09 | nvz | either s.d.n isnt updated anymore or not enough to be useful |
| 16:33.19 | nvz | I used to be abe to go back like 8 months |
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| 16:33.28 | yang | could someone explain me, what this error means ? |
| 16:33.29 | yang | Selected kernel: /boot/vmlinux from partition 3 |
| 16:33.29 | yang | offset_read (2, 0x0006c7a4, 128, 1342193664) cant seek past 216743936 |
| 16:33.29 | yang | ext2_iget: read errorERROR: open /boot/vmlinux from partition 3 failed |
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| 16:33.40 | filip_ | i have heard that debian is good to have like server but that is noone that know how to do? |
| 16:33.41 | mega | nvz: they had some kind of data loss |
| 16:33.44 | PerfDave | biteme: Then go ask #ubuntu. |
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| 16:33.57 | PerfDave | biteme: #debian is for Debian support, not Ubuntu. |
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| 16:34.05 | halibut | why do the debian repos not have latest version of amaroK? Is there a repo with latest version? |
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| 16:34.14 | PerfDave | halibut: Which Debian repositories? |
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| 16:34.48 | halibut | PerfDave, ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 16:35.00 | PerfDave | halibut: That's not a repository. |
| 16:35.08 | filip_ | nehe |
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| 16:35.12 | biteme | dave i will be upgrading to debain 3.0 today, |
| 16:35.14 | halibut | PerfDave, ? 0o |
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| 16:35.28 | halibut | ok, how can I get latest version of amaroK with apt then? |
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| 16:35.35 | PerfDave | halibut: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 16:35.36 | surfdue | hello |
| 16:35.46 | biteme | dave 3.0 |
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| 16:35.50 | halibut | testing I think :S |
| 16:35.57 | surfdue | I have an error with my sound devices, It always errors, ALSA "defualt" has an error. |
| 16:35.59 | PerfDave | biteme: (a) It's Debian, not "debain". (b) 3.0 is an old release, you want 3.1 |
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| 16:36.07 | notsosad | hi guys,I'm trying to install the drivers of my video card on debian linux with 2.6 kernel..I searched on google but I find 2 different installation method,everyone said to me that is better if I download the two .tar file but the lastest of this was relased on december 2004..what do you think, do you think that is better for me to download the .run recent file or the .tar files?thank and sorry for my english |
| 16:36.08 | surfdue | My sound card is: 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
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| 16:36.43 | Dewi | I |
| 16:36.46 | PerfDave | halibut: The stable release of Debian has 1.2.3 and won't get a more up to date version. The testing and unstable releases have 1.2.4 and will get more recent versions when the Amarok maintainers package them. |
| 16:37.02 | PerfDave | notsosad: Why don't you tell us what video card you have? |
| 16:37.05 | biteme | i will apt-get upgrade to update 3.0 to 3.1 |
| 16:37.16 | PerfDave | biteme: Why not just install 3.1 directly? |
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| 16:37.21 | DaDave | the is |
| 16:37.25 | kamaraju | How can I know which gcc version was used to compile kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686? Is is gcc-3.3 or gcc-3.4 or gcc-4.0 or something else altogether? |
| 16:37.29 | notsosad | Sorry, I have a Nvidia video card |
| 16:37.31 | halibut | ok PerfDave, so I should be asking in #amarok? |
| 16:37.34 | PerfDave | notsosad: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 16:37.39 | biteme | i don't have the lasted released |
| 16:37.43 | drac | kamaraju: Are you running it now? If so, cat /proc/version |
| 16:37.44 | PerfDave | biteme: So download it |
| 16:37.45 | notsosad | thanks |
| 16:37.45 | Dewi | I'm trying to install debian via netinst but it gets right up to apt sources configuration without mentioning the network (except PPP, which I don't use). Should the installer configure my network? |
| 16:37.57 | MikeW | Using synaptic and the debian sarge dvd I got, I wanted to install a vncserver. Is the one that came with it different to RealVNC? |
| 16:37.59 | kamaraju | No I am running it now. |
| 16:38.00 | PerfDave | Dewi: The installer will autoconfigure your network if it can. |
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| 16:38.09 | biteme | how big is the download |
| 16:38.23 | PerfDave | biteme: Read the Debian Installation Manual. Anywhere from 110Mb to 8Gb |
| 16:38.24 | Dewi | PerfDave: it didn't try very hard - the iface is eth0 and if I give it an IP manually it just works |
| 16:38.36 | Dewi | PerfDave: but I don't know how to get the installer to pick it up |
| 16:38.54 | PerfDave | Dewi: The network configuration stage of the installer occurs before the sources configuration. |
| 16:39.05 | PerfDave | halibut: What will you be asking #amarok, sorry? |
| 16:39.18 | biteme | dave how do i protected my server from the outside world, |
| 16:39.20 | halibut | about packaging latest version PerfDave |
| 16:39.35 | PerfDave | halibut: You'll want to talk to whoever's responsible for maintaining Amarok in Debian |
| 16:39.50 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 16:39.50 | dpkg | i guess qotd59 is <ricky_clarkson> abrotman: My mum loves me when I've got surplus cash, like most women. |
| 16:40.10 | PerfDave | biteme: FFS, use my full nick, so I can actually spot what you're saying. |
| 16:40.17 | Dewi | PerfDave: that's what I thought... but it's skipping it. Is there somewhere I can find out exactly what point it's *supposed* to happen? (before first boot, after first boot, around PPP setup time?) |
| 16:40.20 | PerfDave | biteme: Firewall it? Don't connect it to the Internet? |
| 16:40.24 | biteme | pertdave i am running firewall and ipchains |
| 16:40.42 | PerfDave | !tell biteme -about nicktab |
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| 16:40.53 | biteme | perfdave will do |
| 16:40.59 | PerfDave | Dewi: If you hit escape at any point, you should get a list of the stages available and jump between them. |
| 16:41.07 | ogum | help. having problems installing device modules. kernel 2.6.x.x. what is my kernel path? kde control center gives error. lost here |
| 16:41.10 | sward | PerfDave: Very pert today, are you? :P |
| 16:41.19 | PerfDave | sward: I'm *always* very pert. |
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| 16:41.30 | Dewi | PerfDave: yeah, I couldn't see anything about the network in that list. I'll run through it again. |
| 16:41.33 | PerfDave | sward: Just ask my girlfriend? |
| 16:41.44 | sward | Bah |
| 16:41.47 | PerfDave | Dewi: You're using an official, proper Debian installer? |
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| 16:42.04 | biteme | perfdave who or whats nicktab |
| 16:42.13 | PerfDave | biteme: Read what dpkg said to you |
| 16:42.29 | biteme | perfdave ok |
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| 16:42.53 | sward | ogum: What modules are you trying to install, and for what? |
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| 16:45.18 | ranDom | hi all |
| 16:45.21 | ogum | sward: Hi. i've installed my laser printer module. minolta pagepro 1300w and it was fine. followed instructions. the install was ok, but can print. trying to install ipw2100 driver |
| 16:45.38 | PerfDave | ogum: use module-assistant to install ipw2100? |
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| 16:45.48 | ogum | sward: cups not accessible |
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| 16:46.08 | ogum | sward: module-assistant???? |
| 16:46.50 | UFO | but i have to do it once |
| 16:46.51 | PerfDave | ogum: /msg dpkg module-assistant |
| 16:46.56 | MastrYoda | http://pastebin.com/342344 .. What did I do wrong? |
| 16:47.00 | UFO | this time i'm NOT gonna forget module support |
| 16:47.06 | ogum | sward: thanks |
| 16:47.12 | sward | ogum: thank PerfDave |
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| 16:47.49 | sward | ogum: I suppose you could thank me too for getting you to give #debian a few more details of your problem :) |
| 16:48.31 | PerfDave | UFO: Why do you have to compile your own kernel? |
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| 16:48.32 | surfdue | with local test, in recording, my voice is very choppy using alsa drivers, but with skype using esd im not choppy atall, infact it seems that x-lite is the only program which is a sip phone that is doing this, does anyone know how to fix this problem with cracling in your voice? |
| 16:48.49 | UFO | PerfDave, have to do it once.. |
| 16:49.00 | sward | ogum: ipw2100 is a wireless driver? |
| 16:49.15 | PerfDave | !wayc MastrYoda |
| 16:49.16 | dpkg | MastrYoda: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 16:49.26 | surfdue | im not |
| 16:49.28 | surfdue | i stopped it |
| 16:49.29 | surfdue | :P |
| 16:49.31 | surfdue | i forgot |
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| 16:49.52 | surfdue | :P |
| 16:49.55 | surfdue | haha |
| 16:49.57 | surfdue | oh. |
| 16:50.01 | surfdue | who stol my old name |
| 16:50.02 | UFO | PerfDave, my server is still running 2.2.20 |
| 16:50.04 | drac | !tell surfdue about enter |
| 16:50.07 | PerfDave | !tell surfdue -about enter |
| 16:50.19 | PerfDave | UFO: And? |
| 16:50.23 | Ox12 | !lol |
| 16:50.23 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
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| 16:50.33 | surfdue | with local test, in recording, my voice is very choppy using alsa drivers, but with skype using esd im not choppy atall, infact it seems that x-lite is the only program which is a sip phone that is doing this, does anyone know how to fix this problem with cracling in your voice? |
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| 16:50.39 | UFO | PerfDave, 2.2.20 is old ;)_ |
| 16:50.48 | UFO | i want iptables support |
| 16:51.05 | stew | UFO: apt-get install kenrel-image-2.4 |
| 16:51.19 | UFO | yeh |
| 16:51.21 | UFO | did that once |
| 16:51.26 | PerfDave | UFO: So why do you need to compile? |
| 16:51.28 | UFO | and then fucked up my lilo config ;) |
| 16:51.31 | Psycho_Nux | hi |
| 16:51.43 | Psycho_Nux | someone as an ipw2200 ? |
| 16:51.46 | PerfDave | UFO: If you use apt-get to install kernels, you shouldn't need to reconfigure your bootloader. |
| 16:51.51 | PerfDave | Psycho_Nux: /msg dpkg module-assistant |
| 16:51.58 | UFO | it told me something like that |
| 16:52.04 | UFO | so i did it :| |
| 16:52.07 | stew | UFO: when it tells you about initrd you have to pay attention, or /msg dpkg lilo->grub |
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| 16:52.46 | Psycho_Nux | PerfDave, i just want if someone can use the mode monitor |
| 16:53.05 | biteme | hi iam back i have run to loo. |
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| 16:55.13 | biteme | Perfdave i am from a windows server background and switching to debian for my server as this is more stable an more secure |
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| 16:56.29 | biteme | Perfdave are there any sites for new users to debian |
| 16:57.38 | PerfDave | biteme: Debian is not necessarily more stable and secure, if you don't know what you're doing. There are many websites about Debian, one of the best is http://www.debian-administration.org/ but I advise that you start by downloading Debian 3.1 and reading the Installation Manual at http://www.debian.org/ |
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| 16:57.54 | UFO | is there a GUI audio volume control like Windows Volume Control? |
| 16:58.03 | UFO | for linux |
| 16:58.03 | drac | UFO: alsamixergui |
| 16:58.05 | UFO | ofcourse |
| 16:58.22 | biteme | Perfdave i have used many types of operating systems from sun microsystems to slackware 10.1 |
| 16:58.22 | UFO | drac, does that also work with esound? |
| 16:58.27 | tarzeau | UFO: volumecontrol.app |
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| 16:58.44 | Aquarina | can you please help me? I can get no events from my battery with acpi |
| 16:59.02 | drac | UFO: Well, if you drop volume in ALSA, and ESD uses ALSA, what do you think will happen? :) |
| 16:59.06 | UFO | tarzeau, isn't that a desktop applet? |
| 16:59.18 | UFO | ah |
| 16:59.19 | UFO | yes |
| 16:59.39 | biteme | aquarina how old and what make of laptop do you own |
| 16:59.40 | nvz | Ox12: cut it out |
| 17:00.10 | UFO | now i have to wait for apt to complete its upgrade |
| 17:00.13 | PerfDave | biteme: Fair enough. I still recommend the sites above. |
| 17:00.55 | UFO | ah |
| 17:01.01 | tarzeau | my home/end keys don't work in xterm,screen,less (they work in aterm,screen,less though) |
| 17:01.08 | UFO | i see alsa-base and utils are just removed |
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| 17:01.09 | UFO | eheh |
| 17:01.58 | biteme | aquarina tun off acpi and enable apm,also check in your bios if apm or acpi is turn on which means that linux contols the apm funstion |
| 17:02.12 | Aquarina | biteme: is 2 years old |
| 17:02.35 | technos | <slightly off channel norm but> where the hell can I beat xine with a coathanger to use a specific device? For the life of me, the damn thing only wants to use a particular card, which happens to be the wrong one. |
| 17:02.46 | biteme | it's acpi,apm is before 2001 |
| 17:03.09 | ogum | sward: module-assistant is now updated. what next? |
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| 17:03.29 | Aquarina | biteme: acpi can manage to send me events about lid button and power button |
| 17:03.36 | Aquarina | why not battery?! |
| 17:03.57 | filip_ | how can i setup an ftp-server easy in debian? |
| 17:04.03 | biteme | aquarina what make is your laptop |
| 17:04.06 | tarzeau | filip_: apt-get install vsftpd |
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| 17:04.30 | Aquarina | tsunami - you might no know it |
| 17:04.44 | biteme | aquarina no never heard of it |
| 17:04.46 | filip_ | tarrzeau: okey is that program easy to use ? |
| 17:05.02 | Aquarina | biteme: portuguese brand I think |
| 17:05.07 | PerfDave | filip_: Why do you want FTP? It's insecure and awkward. Use SFTP if you possibly can. |
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| 17:05.23 | tarzeau | filip_: yes |
| 17:05.34 | tarzeau | PerfDave: sftp don't work with anonymous, does it? |
| 17:05.35 | filip_ | perfdave: is ftp insecure? |
| 17:05.41 | Skaag | tarzeau: no |
| 17:05.42 | tarzeau | filip_: no it's not |
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| 17:05.49 | nvz | heh, this Not Another Teen Movie is so stupid |
| 17:05.51 | tarzeau | Skaag: it wasn't a question, i wanted an answer to |
| 17:05.56 | UFO | FTP is plain text control |
| 17:05.57 | filip_ | i will only share some file whit my friends |
| 17:05.59 | UFO | SFTP is encoded |
| 17:05.59 | biteme | aquarina check your bios restart your laptop and check what make of bios you have |
| 17:06.00 | Skaag | tarzeau ;-) |
| 17:06.03 | technos | Aquarina: There are only four or five real laptop manufacturers left. Everyone else contracts with them for their products. |
| 17:06.05 | PerfDave | filip_: Yes, everything is sent in plaintext. It's also bloody annoying with firewalls. |
| 17:06.09 | tarzeau | UFO: so? |
| 17:06.16 | tarzeau | filip_: that's fine |
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| 17:06.24 | UFO | so.. if you think someone is capturing your packets |
| 17:06.26 | filip_ | PerfDave: okey but i will do that anyway |
| 17:06.26 | UFO | USE SFTP! |
| 17:06.29 | tarzeau | nvz: the weekend is soon over |
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| 17:06.34 | tarzeau | UFO: STFU |
| 17:06.52 | UFO | i always use FTP |
| 17:06.59 | Aquarina | technos: u're right, but I can't know which one is mine |
| 17:07.01 | nvz | tarzeau: yeah getting there |
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| 17:07.07 | Aquarina | I'd like to... |
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| 17:07.25 | technos | Aquarina: Google should reveal the answer. |
| 17:07.30 | Aquarina | there are a few things I'd like to configure and I don't know where to start |
| 17:07.44 | UFO | start with the A |
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| 17:07.50 | surfdue | is there a download manager on debian |
| 17:07.52 | technos | Aquarina: Try <company name> OEM laptop or some such |
| 17:07.55 | biteme | Aquarina try using apm not acpi i had the same proble |
| 17:07.56 | surfdue | so i quikly download a big file |
| 17:08.00 | tarzeau | surfdue: sure: wget |
| 17:08.14 | surfdue | nono |
| 17:08.16 | UFO | surfdue, mozilla has its own sownload manager |
| 17:08.18 | UFO | i think |
| 17:08.20 | surfdue | i mean a download excelerator |
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| 17:08.22 | Aquarina | biteme: hum... k |
| 17:08.24 | tarzeau | surfdue: yes: wgewt |
| 17:08.27 | tarzeau | wget still |
| 17:08.32 | surfdue | ? |
| 17:08.38 | tarzeau | surfdue: wget is what you want |
| 17:08.39 | surfdue | wget dowsnt download the file from 15 sources |
| 17:08.42 | surfdue | does it? |
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| 17:08.53 | PerfDave | surfdue: If you want to download a file from multiple sources, use BitTorrent. |
| 17:08.57 | biteme | aquarina apm is more for older not so supported laptops |
| 17:09.00 | tarzeau | surfdue: no it doesn't. how are you sure the file is available from more than one place? |
| 17:09.03 | UFO | why would you need 15 sources |
| 17:09.07 | tarzeau | PerfDave: so do i |
| 17:09.09 | UFO | 1x150kbyte |
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| 17:09.11 | surfdue | no |
| 17:09.12 | UFO | or 3x50kbyte |
| 17:09.13 | tarzeau | UFO: because it's a moron |
| 17:09.14 | technos | surfdue: Download accelerators are crap. Most webservers ignore the sloppy behavior accelerators used to use. use wget, it will get your file in the fastest and lest complicated way. |
| 17:09.14 | surfdue | ok heres what i want |
| 17:09.17 | tarzeau | surfdue: NO |
| 17:09.20 | ogum | how do i run module-assistant? |
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| 17:09.23 | tarzeau | surfdue: the answer is no. use wget |
| 17:09.23 | surfdue | ok |
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| 17:09.28 | surfdue | dang. |
| 17:09.29 | PerfDave | ogum: Type "module-assistant"? |
| 17:09.34 | filip_ | is it someone in here that can help me to setup my ftpserver whit vsftpd ? |
| 17:09.47 | tarzeau | filip_: did you apt-get install vsftpd yet? |
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| 17:09.49 | biteme | have checked your bios settings |
| 17:09.53 | filip_ | yes |
| 17:09.57 | UFO | apt-get install webmin ? |
| 17:09.58 | PerfDave | "Download accelerators" tend to just open multiple connections to webservers to overcome ISP-imposed per-connection bandwidth limits. It's trivial and sensible to just block this behaviour at your webserver. |
| 17:09.58 | tarzeau | filip_: what's the ip? |
| 17:10.01 | ogum | PerfDave: where? (sorry i'm a nerd, lol) |
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| 17:10.14 | PerfDave | ogum: At the command line. Open up an xterm or something if you're in X. |
| 17:10.16 | filip_ | wait |
| 17:10.35 | UFO | ctrl-alt-F1 |
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| 17:10.41 | filip_ | can i write my ip in an PM ? |
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| 17:10.48 | tarzeau | filip_: no you can write it here |
| 17:10.55 | UFO | lol |
| 17:10.56 | filip_ | okey |
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| 17:11.14 | filip_ | 217.27.180.105 |
| 17:11.16 | UFO | you think your ip is still a secret? |
| 17:11.25 | ogum | PerfDave: did on root terminal. command not found |
| 17:11.46 | tarzeau | filip_: i don't see any files shared. read /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/ |
| 17:11.59 | PerfDave | ogum: You installed module-assistant first, with apt-get, synaptic or similar? |
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| 17:12.04 | PerfDave | ogum: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 17:12.06 | Dewi | PerfDave: I'm using a testing daily installer. It says to me, "This system does not seem to be currently connected to the internet." In the installation steps list, the network (apart from PPP) is not mentioned |
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| 17:12.18 | ogum | PerfDave: yes, with synaptic |
| 17:12.24 | filip_ | tarzeau:ok |
| 17:12.36 | PerfDave | ogum: On the same machine where you're running the root terminal? |
| 17:12.42 | PerfDave | ogum: You're definitely root? |
| 17:12.46 | Dewi | PerfDave: I guess I should go to the stable installer... but then I'll have to go to the trouble of changing it to testing |
| 17:12.49 | ogum | PerfDave: 3.0r5 i think |
| 17:12.50 | PerfDave | Dewi: Why are you using a testing daily installer? |
| 17:12.51 | tarzeau | filip_: try putting files into /home/ftp ? |
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| 17:13.12 | PerfDave | ogum: Oh, right. I don't think 3.0 has module-assistant. Why not run 3.1, the current stable release? |
| 17:13.18 | tarzeau | filip_: that's all |
| 17:13.20 | filip_ | okey so i only put some file there and you can then download them from me? |
| 17:13.25 | tarzeau | filip_: yes |
| 17:13.32 | PerfDave | Dewi: You know, if you're having installation problems, then I wonder how wise it is for you to run testing. |
| 17:13.40 | ogum | PerfDave: how can i check my version? |
| 17:13.43 | filip_ | okey but if i whant to make private? like users and pass and that stuff |
| 17:13.53 | tarzeau | filip_: don't tell your ip |
| 17:13.54 | PerfDave | ogum: cat /etc/debian_version is a good start |
| 17:13.59 | biteme | aquarisif you use award bios which is phonix bios company,try a bios upgrade go to www.driversguide.com create an account and search for your bios model download on a stifty or use nero cdburning software to create a bios flash when you reboot your machine. |
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| 17:14.14 | filip_ | so i can make users ? |
| 17:14.23 | tarzeau | filip_: yeah probably, read the documentation |
| 17:14.40 | Ungy_ | Hi guys I sent an e-mail to the mailing-list askign for advice on how and to where I should report a bug and noone has gotten back to me directly is ther e a way I can check to see if someone replied to the mailing list and I missed it? |
| 17:14.52 | tarzeau | !bts |
| 17:14.52 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:14.53 | Dewi | PerfDave: it's that or live in june 6 2005 for a couple of years... or try some other (usually more broken) distro |
| 17:14.53 | ogum | PerfDave: testing/unstable |
| 17:15.13 | filip_ | how can i stop the server? |
| 17:15.23 | tarzeau | filip_: /etc/init.d/vsftpd stop |
| 17:15.25 | PerfDave | Dewi: Well, if you're going to insist on running testing, I'm afraid I can't help you. |
| 17:15.26 | Aquarina | biteme: never tryed to upgrade my bios |
| 17:15.28 | Ungy_ | tarzeau I already checked the bts |
| 17:15.35 | Aquarina | isn't it dangerous? |
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| 17:15.53 | PerfDave | ogum: Argh, that's not helpful. What does "dpkg -l module-asssistant" say? |
| 17:15.59 | filip_ | and start is like this /etc/init.d/vsftpd start or? |
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| 17:16.07 | Ungy_ | Aquarina if you have a power failure int he middle of the flash process you lose yoru computer or if you unplug it but other then that it is pretty safe |
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| 17:17.02 | biteme | aquarina then don't |
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| 17:17.17 | codomanaic | hi dpkg |
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| 17:17.28 | ogum | PerfDave: no packets found related to module-assistant. don get it, just updated through synaptic |
| 17:17.29 | codomanaic | !hi dpkg |
| 17:17.30 | dpkg | Many greetings, dpkg, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 17:17.33 | Aquarina | Ungy: as i am using a laptop, i can be a little bit safe on pw falure because of the battery |
| 17:17.38 | Aquarina | can't I? |
| 17:17.55 | biteme | Aquarina have checked your bios setting and desktop you using gnome or kde |
| 17:17.55 | Ungy_ | Aquarina I woudl think so |
| 17:18.28 | nvz | hey, those idiots credited money back to my account. I wonder wtf I had $30 missing then after the end of the statement period it came back |
| 17:18.46 | nvz | credit cards piss me off |
| 17:18.46 | Aquarina | biteme: gnome - what has gnome to do with it?! |
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| 17:18.54 | stew | ogum: paste your sources.list into #flood or somewhere (not here) |
| 17:18.57 | Ungy_ | nvz it was a creditback most likely |
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| 17:19.12 | Ungy_ | nvz it shoudln't really effect anything |
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| 17:19.51 | ogum | stew: say what? |
| 17:20.00 | c01100011 | are there any known conflicts with the nvidia-glx package and xmms ? |
| 17:20.07 | alex__ | can someone give me the link debian to upgrade from woody to sarge please, I remember there was a sort of howto |
| 17:20.09 | biteme | Aquarina look by the clock an see if there's a icon for your power control |
| 17:20.27 | Aquarina | biteme: no |
| 17:20.34 | adaran | i have an image of a semi-broken sd card, 250M, taken with dd if=/dev/sdc of=img-sd - unfortunately, i copied sdc instead of sdc1 - how many bytes do i need to skip to get to sdc1 ? |
| 17:20.43 | adaran | i thought 512, but that didn't work out |
| 17:20.48 | Ungy_ | !woody-sarge |
| 17:20.50 | jdhutchin1 | !tell alex__ about woody->sarge |
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| 17:21.04 | Ungy_ | damn forgot the > |
| 17:21.06 | biteme | Aquarina are you using debian or ubunta |
| 17:21.06 | codomanaic | tejas use dpkg |
| 17:21.09 | nvz | Ungy_: wtf is a credit back.. and yeah it affected something.. for a week or two my available credit was lower than Total Credit Line - Current Balance |
| 17:21.15 | Aquarina | biteme: debian |
| 17:21.25 | stew | ogum: paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list into #flood or in http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 17:21.57 | Aquarina | biteme: anyway, this was supposed to run independently from the dektop i am using |
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| 17:22.19 | Ungy_ | nvz some people do a check to see if card is valid by doing a low charge to the card they then process a credit back to the card for the same amount hte credit back can take more then a week but the first chrage is instant |
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| 17:22.51 | Ungy_ | nvz if you have oneof those visa check cards or the mastercard debit cards it can screw you up by taking money straight out of your account |
| 17:22.57 | stew | Ungy_: who does that? that would be illegal. They can authorize a card without taking money from it |
| 17:23.03 | biteme | AQUARINA I AM CHECKING ON MY SYSTEMS I ALSO USE GNOME |
| 17:23.23 | Ungy_ | stew no it's not illegal they don't steal anythign |
| 17:23.44 | Aquarina | biteme: but... acpi should be independent from gnome |
| 17:23.53 | Aquarina | I don't see the point! |
| 17:23.59 | stew | Ungy_: its illegal for someone to charge my card without my autorization, and why would they when there is simple way to authorize the card |
| 17:24.13 | ogum | stew: ok, sent it to #flood |
| 17:24.13 | Ungy_ | They don;t randomly do this shit either you have to be making a purchase usually it can be a deposit or a returnable service fee |
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| 17:25.12 | Aquarina | biteme: i'll just go triple check my bios to see if there is a missconfig somewhere |
| 17:25.39 | Aquarina | (because I already double checked :-( ) |
| 17:25.48 | nvz | Ungy_: I've heard of that but I thought that was like for gas pumps or someting. |
| 17:25.53 | Ungy_ | ok can anyone take a look http://pastebin.com/342375 and possibly give me advice on who and what package I should be reporting the bug too I am a bit confused I tried the mailing list to no avail |
| 17:26.02 | stew | ogum: your sources look fine. you really should be able to apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant |
| 17:26.08 | Ungy_ | nvz gas pumps and for other things |
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| 17:26.18 | biteme | AQUARINA YES AN NO IN KDE DESKTOP YOU HAVE A GUI FRONT END TO CONTROL APM AND ACPI,IF YOU HAVE KDE INSTALLED SWITCH TO KDE AND BY CLOCK THERE'S ICON FOR POWER CONROL |
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| 17:26.23 | karim__ | is there a way to use distcc with dpkg-build ? |
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| 17:26.33 | Ungy_ | nvz like doing a rowboat rental or miniture golf rentals and shit like that |
| 17:26.48 | Aquarina | biteme: i don't have kde |
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| 17:26.53 | Skaag | anyone knows what Unix signal 11 means? |
| 17:26.55 | nvz | well I didnt do any rentals or anything. |
| 17:27.08 | Ungy_ | nvz you start a tab at a bar? |
| 17:27.10 | Aquarina | biteme: anyway thank you, and to Ungy also |
| 17:27.15 | nvz | nope |
| 17:27.33 | tarzeau | Skaag: SEGV 11 core |
| 17:27.34 | nvz | just normal store purchase and one online purchase |
| 17:27.46 | Ungy_ | nvz I dunno then maybe someone screwed up when entering a card number and the charge went on you then they realized the mistake and corrected it |
| 17:27.59 | tarzeau | Skaag: segmentation fault, can be caused by memory access to somewhere you're not allowed to |
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| 17:28.08 | biteme | Aquarina checked if the power function is controled by your linux system or it run inderpent form your system |
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| 17:28.25 | stew | Skaag: basically it means that you have some broken software |
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| 17:28.54 | Skaag | I get it from grsec |
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| 17:29.03 | Skaag | does it mean someone tried to hack? ;-) |
| 17:29.05 | nvz | Ungy_: yeah. well I never seen anything posted cause yesturday my online statement cleared and I doubt its going to show up on the one they mail me |
| 17:29.13 | yes | algum brasileiro na sala? |
| 17:29.17 | Ungy_ | nvz anyways you gotta watch it with those things they get corrected usually but I made a purchase for arline tickets once and they double billed me and it was from my checking account drained my account it was horrible took 3 weeks to get the money back thank Orbitz for that one |
| 17:29.18 | tarzeau | Skaag: your machine from which you connect? |
| 17:29.23 | tarzeau | Skaag: do you have local users? |
| 17:29.28 | thug8 | hey- whats the best way to get debian etch? |
| 17:29.31 | tarzeau | Skaag: what reason would someone try to hack YOU? |
| 17:29.35 | Skaag | tarzeau: No it's a debian box somewhere, i'm looking at the logs |
| 17:29.38 | tarzeau | thug8: not by asking here |
| 17:29.48 | tarzeau | Skaag: you're paranoid. don't you have good weather? |
| 17:29.50 | Skaag | tarzeau: well it hosts various websites, who knows... |
| 17:29.52 | nvz | Ungy_: you should be able to sue for this shit. they can cost you heafty fines doing this |
| 17:29.57 | Ungy_ | thug8 install sarge then change your /etc/apt/sources.list to etch |
| 17:29.57 | tarzeau | Skaag: like slashdot.org ? |
| 17:30.02 | Skaag | tarzeau: Actually I am in Cyprus and it's beautiful here :-) |
| 17:30.13 | tarzeau | Skaag: i think you are not very smart |
| 17:30.21 | tarzeau | Skaag: because you're not out, where it's beautiful |
| 17:30.36 | Ungy_ | nvz well technically you are suppossed to have an overflow and I did get a bunch of fines which I was reimbursed by orbitz for |
| 17:30.37 | Skaag | tarzeau: Well it IS evening, and I am about to go to friends for a BBQ |
| 17:30.39 | Skaag | :-) |
| 17:30.41 | biteme | AQUARINA I WILL ASK AT WORK IF ANY KNOWS ABOUT YOUR PROBLEM |
| 17:30.51 | Skaag | biteme: WOW MAN COOL |
| 17:30.59 | miz | The package `locales' is only responsible for localization of programs, it's not related to internationalized input and encodings in programs, right? |
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| 17:31.17 | Ungy_ | I woudln;t get pissed for like $30 or $40 bucks but when I got nailed for $2,683.14 twice it kinda hurt the ole account |
| 17:31.19 | biteme | SKAAG HA |
| 17:31.19 | tarzeau | miz: right, and it's not gonna work for all software |
| 17:31.27 | Skaag | biteme: HAHA |
| 17:31.35 | tarzeau | miz: gnustep comes to mind. and i hate non-english shells |
| 17:31.47 | Ungy_ | !caps |
| 17:31.47 | dpkg | Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put _* on both sides of them. _emphasize_ them. |
| 17:31.54 | miz | But, if I don't want interfaces in anything but english, I can safely delete it, right? |
| 17:32.10 | biteme | SKAAG IN WHICH COUNTRY ARE YOU FROM |
| 17:32.19 | Ungy_ | biteme lay off the caps please |
| 17:32.20 | nvz | Ungy_: yeah, I'd say so. aside from the loss of money, you also got the fines, and then you can miss bills and whatever else cause money you didnt budget for is gone |
| 17:32.24 | xoz | miz: use localepurge |
| 17:32.25 | miz | C won't suddenly stop compiling or anything like that |
| 17:32.36 | stew | biteme: turn off your CAPS |
| 17:32.36 | thug8 | wouldn't installing sarge then changing the sources be messy? couldnt i just install etch somehow? |
| 17:32.39 | pirre | biteme: bite me? |
| 17:32.43 | biteme | ungy finger slip |
| 17:33.09 | Ungy_ | nvz true I guess but you now know so make sure you ask |
| 17:33.17 | stew | !cd contents is also stew has created a searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo |
| 17:33.17 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 17:33.21 | Ungy_ | nvz also check reciepts for orrections |
| 17:33.22 | biteme | pirre bite me too |
| 17:33.26 | Skaag | biteme: Cyprus |
| 17:33.41 | biteme | skaag usa |
| 17:33.52 | Skaag | biteme: No way, are you really from the US of A? |
| 17:33.58 | Skaag | biteme: Could have fooled me! |
| 17:34.02 | biteme | u.s.a |
| 17:34.07 | Skaag | biteme: But surely you are not native american? |
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| 17:34.15 | biteme | no |
| 17:34.25 | Skaag | sounds to me like you ran away to the US from some remote location like Sibir? Thailand? |
| 17:34.26 | Ungy_ | biteme it's cool I just thought you woudl have caught it before your 5th post with it on |
| 17:34.44 | biteme | no england |
| 17:34.51 | Skaag | oh god |
| 17:35.00 | Skaag | are you a manc? or are you a wank? |
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| 17:35.07 | Ungy_ | manc? |
| 17:35.08 | Skaag | :-) |
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| 17:35.15 | Skaag | Yah, a Manchester United fan |
| 17:35.26 | biteme | yes |
| 17:35.29 | Ungy_ | what is a wank? |
| 17:35.30 | macudnals | chelsea rules |
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| 17:35.40 | Skaag | Ungy: A guy who wanks all day instead of coding opensource projects |
| 17:35.50 | Ungy_ | football(soccer) bores me ;-( |
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| 17:36.01 | Ungy_ | Skaag I am a wank |
| 17:36.03 | Skaag | Ungy: Me too, to be completely and utterly and brutally honest... it puts me to sleep. |
| 17:36.06 | karim__ | in the rule file, the command to make is $(MAKE) |
| 17:36.13 | karim__ | what is this command ? |
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| 17:36.16 | karim__ | I don't understand |
| 17:36.24 | biteme | skaag i travel alot |
| 17:36.34 | Skaag | biteme: me too |
| 17:36.35 | tarzeau | karim__: make |
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| 17:36.43 | Skaag | biteme: get a lot of girls? :-) |
| 17:36.51 | karim__ | tarzeau, what if I want to add more option ? |
| 17:36.53 | biteme | skaag lots |
| 17:37.02 | karim__ | tarzeau, why is it in upper case ? |
| 17:37.06 | tarzeau | karim__: add it at the end, or better yet $(OPTS) |
| 17:37.08 | biteme | skaag a and lots |
| 17:37.10 | Ungy_ | Skaag he is on irc with us so lots isn't really that many now is it |
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| 17:37.19 | tarzeau | karim__: because $(make) won't work |
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| 17:37.34 | karim__ | tarzeau, why not just "make" then ? |
| 17:37.44 | biteme | skaag i work for the c.i.a |
| 17:37.45 | tarzeau | karim__: because maybe someone wants to use gmake or something else |
| 17:37.48 | Skaag | Ungy: True, true |
| 17:37.52 | Skaag | biteme: bite me |
| 17:37.56 | tarzeau | karim__: and can just change it at one place, that way |
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| 17:38.09 | Ungy_ | biteme you pretend to be a little 15 year old girl and visit chat rooms? |
| 17:38.10 | Skaag | biteme: You mean, Coconuts In Action? |
| 17:38.14 | karim__ | tarzeau, I want to use distcc with dpkg-build |
| 17:38.18 | biteme | skaag i work in the i.t dept |
| 17:38.23 | karim__ | tarzeau, I now how to do it with make |
| 17:38.26 | tarzeau | karim__: i won't stop you.. but i don't know it |
| 17:38.30 | dafresh | hi all, i need to user php imap module but it seems to be net compiled, on testing with php4 4.3.10 |
| 17:38.35 | dafresh | s/user/use |
| 17:38.45 | karim__ | tarzeau, I just need to know where to add additional command |
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| 17:38.48 | tarzeau | karim__: why do you want to do that? for what packages? |
| 17:38.51 | dafresh | any idea ? |
| 17:38.52 | karim__ | I am not sure with the $(opt) |
| 17:38.57 | Ungy_ | Skaag's why does his statment of employment suddenly make me feel very unsafe ;-) |
| 17:39.03 | karim__ | tarzeau, to compile mplayer |
| 17:39.09 | tarzeau | karim__: just right after the build $(MAKE) here some options |
| 17:39.10 | karim__ | on a slow mac |
| 17:39.19 | biteme | (all) big brother is watching you |
| 17:39.23 | nvz | karim__: why are you comiling? |
| 17:39.38 | karim__ | because the ppc package is empty of binary |
| 17:39.42 | Ungy_ | nvz ther eis an mplayer pckage? |
| 17:39.42 | nvz | s/ili/pili/ |
| 17:39.42 | karim__ | it's weird |
| 17:39.44 | Skaag | Ungy: yah same here... ;-) |
| 17:39.49 | nvz | Ungy_: yep |
| 17:39.55 | gnd | is something in kde in debian unstable broken? |
| 17:39.58 | Ungy_ | nvz I can't find it? |
| 17:40.02 | Ungy_ | gnd yes |
| 17:40.13 | Ungy_ | gnd downgrade kde-libs-data |
| 17:40.16 | nvz | Ungy_: its unofficial. apt-get.org is to search for unofficial |
| 17:40.23 | nvz | Ungy_: its on marillat's repo |
| 17:40.23 | mwilson | gnd: Many things in unstable are broken. That's kind of the definition of unstable. |
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| 17:40.39 | mwilson | gnd: If this is a problem for you, you shouldn't be using unstable. |
| 17:40.51 | biteme | big brother has left |
| 17:40.53 | gnd | mwilson: I know that |
| 17:40.54 | Ungy_ | nvz I check marillat's repo not to long ago It was down is it back up? |
| 17:41.08 | gnd | mwilson: it's not a big problem |
| 17:41.09 | mwilson | gnd: Apparently not. |
| 17:41.10 | nvz | Ungy_: I didnt know it was down in the first place :P |
| 17:41.25 | Ungy_ | nvz ahh ok |
| 17:41.31 | gnd | mwilson: I could have messed something up, it's not alwatys the system that's broken |
| 17:41.34 | PerfDave | mwilson: No, that's not actually the definition of unstable. The definition of unstable is that it's a moving target with rapid version changes ;p |
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| 17:41.52 | Ungy_ | gnd you should install apt-listbugs or whatever it is called |
| 17:41.56 | karim__ | tarzeau, just after $(MAKE) |
| 17:42.10 | kurumin | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 17:42.20 | Ungy_ | gnd and apt-listchanges? |
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| 17:43.11 | gnd | Ungy: installing now, thank you :) |
| 17:43.22 | Ungy_ | speaking of unstable I am getting a bug but I cannot seem to figure out where or who to report it to I describe it here http://pastebin.com/342375 any ideas who to report it to or how to go further into figuring out exactly what is causing it |
| 17:43.32 | Matej | sep: hi, we talked on friday about an adaptec raid controller. I waited until it finishes the sync (which took around 4 hours) and since then I see the raid disk as /dev/sdc and it's working wonderfully. |
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| 17:44.40 | gnd | oh, where can I get previous versions of packages? |
| 17:45.01 | Ungy_ | check your chache repository /var/cache/apt/archives I believe |
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| 17:45.39 | thug8 | wouldn't installing sarge then changing the sources be messy? couldnt i just install etch somehow? |
| 17:45.39 | zirzlaff | I have some problem s related to the various gcc-version on an alpha testing with XFree and using a build kernel 2.6.12.4. When I use a kernel build with 4.0 it the system stuck during boot while accessing the portmaper and when I use the same configuration with 3.4 it does create sometimes disc corruptions on my SCSI disks. When using the configuration build with 3.5 everything is fine. Any idea what goes wrong here? |
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| 17:46.08 | zirzlaff | Soryy I meant 3.3 instead of 3.5. |
| 17:46.15 | Ungy_ | thug8 messy how? |
| 17:46.15 | myo | hello |
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| 17:46.19 | myo | how do i know my monitor's vsync and hsync ? |
| 17:46.22 | dafen | is it possibe to use kerenl-headers-2.6.11 for kernel 2.6.12? |
| 17:46.22 | thug8 | i dunno |
| 17:46.28 | mwilson | Ungy_: How is what you pasted there in any way similar to # 323874 ? |
| 17:46.29 | thug8 | there is no etch install cd? |
| 17:46.32 | jdhutchin1 | myo, check the manuals that came with it |
| 17:46.37 | mwilson | thug8: Of course not. |
| 17:46.38 | thingfish | dafen: no |
| 17:46.42 | jaker | myo: read the monitor manual |
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| 17:46.45 | jdhutchin1 | myo, and if you give the wrong ranges, the monitor is smart enough not to self-destruct |
| 17:46.47 | Ungy_ | thug8 once you have the base system on the installer you can then interupt the installation and change the sources.list |
| 17:46.51 | dafen | thingfish, y? |
| 17:46.55 | gnd | Ungy: :( I did apt-get clean recently |
| 17:46.58 | thug8 | why not? there was a sarge install cd when it was testing |
| 17:47.00 | dafen | I am about to make a 2.6.12 kernel |
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| 17:47.11 | ogum | stew: module-assistant is running fine. can i use it to install from tar files? |
| 17:47.13 | PerfDave | thug8: That was when it was about to release, and the installer needed testing. |
| 17:47.16 | thingfish | dafen: it just doesn't work that way. kernel headers must match the kernel. |
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| 17:47.28 | PerfDave | ogum: module-assistant installs modules from foo-source packages. |
| 17:47.34 | Ungy_ | mwilson same error it just crashes no log entry nothign it just happens at times other then disconnect |
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| 17:47.51 | ogum | PerfDave: foo???? |
| 17:47.54 | thug8 | when i use the sarge installer it download kernel 2.4 |
| 17:47.58 | thug8 | i want to use 2.6 |
| 17:48.04 | mwilson | thug8: Then use 2.6 |
| 17:48.09 | thug8 | how? |
| 17:48.30 | dafen | how about linux-kernel-headers? |
| 17:48.33 | gnd | Ungy: is there an online archive of recent packages? |
| 17:48.39 | mwilson | By actually reading the installation guide, where it tells you how? By actually reading the screen, where it tells you how? |
| 17:48.40 | Ungy_ | thug8 apt-get install kernel-imageXX whatever number you want |
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| 17:48.47 | fdv | Hi. I'm probably missing something essential, but can anybody tell me why there exists both packages kdelibs and kdelibs4? |
| 17:48.53 | mwilson | Nah, wouldn't want to do either of thoese. |
| 17:48.56 | thug8 | but i dont want to have 2.4 at all |
| 17:48.58 | dafen | I meant, kernel-headers-2.6-686 |
| 17:49.06 | Ungy_ | gnd you know I don;t know I don;t clean archive since I use sid it is dangerous I need to downgrade often |
| 17:49.08 | dafen | guess it should be compatible with all 2.6 sources right? |
| 17:49.12 | zeier | may someone have a look at http://pastebin.com/342397 ? I have no entries in k-menu, and no entries in control-center. (since I updated to KDE 3.3) |
| 17:49.21 | johns^ | thug8: you type linux26 when you boot the install cd |
| 17:49.40 | johns^ | and then enter :) |
| 17:49.47 | thingfish | dafen: sorry, I have no idea. I get my kernels fresh from the Debian ovens. |
| 17:49.49 | thug8 | oh! |
| 17:49.49 | mwilson | fdv: Geem what do the package descriptions say? |
| 17:49.50 | PerfDave | zeier: You're running unstable, right? Did you check the BTS? :) |
| 17:50.02 | thug8 | where can i get the best debian install cd? |
| 17:50.06 | Ungy_ | zeier it is a bug being that you have upgraded kde-libs-data to 3.4 version |
| 17:50.07 | PerfDave | !best |
| 17:50.07 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 17:50.10 | johns^ | thugwww.debian.org |
| 17:50.13 | mwilson | thug8: Define "best". |
| 17:50.25 | dafen | hmmm.. ok, I'll do the experiment |
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| 17:50.28 | zeier | I just ran apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:50.32 | thug8 | best performance |
| 17:50.43 | johns^ | I always use a net install |
| 17:50.50 | Ungy_ | Zeier and you know why they call it unstable right? |
| 17:50.50 | zeier | Ungy: How may I change this? |
| 17:50.52 | mwilson | thug8: You can't use the word to define itself. |
| 17:50.59 | zeier | Ungy: Yes |
| 17:51.00 | johns^ | enter the cd, boot from it and get the rest from the internet |
| 17:51.02 | fdv | mwilson: more or less the same, only kdelibs appear to be newer than kdelibs4, and they appear to be conflicting |
| 17:51.10 | devazion | thug8, performance isnt enough to define "best". |
| 17:51.21 | mwilson | fdv: So, what you're saying is that you didn't read the package descriptions. |
| 17:51.23 | PerfDave | thug8: "best performance" has little to do with installation process. |
| 17:51.24 | zeier | The thing is, I didn't know whether it was my fault or a bug. You telling me it's a bug, it is okay for me. |
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| 17:51.32 | Ungy_ | zeier well hopefully you have the 3.3 library available in /var/cache/apt/archives/ if you do you can dpkg -i it |
| 17:51.59 | zeier | Ungy: Why did apt-get install the wrong version? |
| 17:52.04 | Ungy_ | zeier install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges if yoru goign to run sid |
| 17:52.10 | zeier | okay |
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| 17:52.52 | Ungy_ | zeier cause there are a bunch of 3.4 kde packages up and i you got a couple of them then the other can break |
| 17:52.53 | mwilson | zeier: Your pastebin says nothing at all. |
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| 17:52.56 | yang | could someone explain me, what this error means ? Selected kernel: /boot/vmlinux from partition 3 offset_read (2, 0x0006c7a4, 128, 1342193664) cant seek past 216743936 ; ext2_iget: read errorERROR: open /boot/vmlinux from partition 3 failed |
| 17:53.36 | technos | yang: The /boot partition is corrupt. It claims to no longer exist at the offset the kernel is at. |
| 17:53.40 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 17:53.55 | Ungy_ | mwilson so where shoudl I post the bug shoudl I downgrade other packages to try to figure it out? |
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| 17:54.26 | zeier | mwilson: sorry, but this is all I have ;) |
| 17:54.29 | yang | technos: but i have freshly made partitions and installed debian? |
| 17:54.35 | mwilson | zeier: Unlikely. |
| 17:54.49 | mwilson | zeier: You've *said* more than you put in that useless pastebin. |
| 17:54.50 | ak | each time i boot to debian-testing i find the mixer levels reset to PCM=0, how do i have them restored automatically? |
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| 17:54.52 | nvz | sober sunday... I dont know who's bright Idea it was to close the alcohol stores on sunday.. but they need beat with a beer bottle |
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| 17:55.13 | fdv | mwilson: well, I read the _description_, but apparently not the rest of the information |
| 17:55.13 | mwilson | Ungy_: This is why the BTS exists. |
| 17:55.19 | asg | nvz: that's why you buy twice as much on Saturday. |
| 17:55.21 | fdv | (sufficiently) |
| 17:55.26 | micka | debian wiki ? & howto as gentoo howto ? |
| 17:55.33 | Ungy_ | mwilson but I am not sure what package to report to |
| 17:55.33 | voltisubito | does anyone know why gnome-control-center in testing doesn't include the configuration for xscreensaver?? |
| 17:55.40 | asg | micka: /topic ; www.debian.org |
| 17:55.49 | nvz | asg: yeah well it never seems to work that way. and all closing on sundays does is give bars a reason to charge way too much |
| 17:55.50 | tarzeau | voltisubito: why don't you use stable? |
| 17:55.57 | micka | me i don't say |
| 17:56.07 | myo | i got screen out of range message coz' i have changed use with another monitor |
| 17:56.07 | myo | which command is supported for that ? |
| 17:56.07 | myo | i'm now in another distro |
| 17:56.08 | ak | voltisubito: it doesn't include session properties neither |
| 17:56.10 | myo | i dont have monitor manual coz' it is not my monitor . it is my fri's. he is not near me :D |
| 17:56.16 | myo | is there any command to look at HorizSync and VertRefresh ? |
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| 17:56.24 | myo | cool :) |
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| 17:56.26 | zeier | mwilson: didn't know that useless pastebins are that bad. I just thought that someone could read out of it, that mny PATHs are set correctly, and that I have the files on the right place. |
| 17:56.26 | asg | nvz: actually, Sundays here tend to have rather good specials. |
| 17:56.27 | tarzeau | myo: xvidtune |
| 17:56.36 | nvz | myo: what is the monitor's make/model? |
| 17:56.43 | Ungy_ | mwilson it's not that big of a deal to me I just thoguh i woudl try to contribute by reporting shit when I find it but I am confused on whne to report and to what package |
| 17:56.44 | mwilson | zeier: That paste doesn't say anything of the kind. |
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| 17:56.50 | DaDave | hi all |
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| 17:57.09 | sigma957 | myo: you can do a google search on the monitor brand and model. that's how I found out mine |
| 17:57.18 | mwilson | Ungy_: Uh, your problem is with gftp... you wouldn't report it on gftp because...? |
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| 17:57.29 | nvz | asg: yeah well the local bar wants $3.75 for a 40oz .. the bars downtown in station square want $5.00 just for a shot. heh |
| 17:57.30 | ak | i know alsa-utils package used to manage mixer levels, but it conflicts with gnome now!! |
| 17:57.38 | ak | so how do i save my mixer levels? |
| 17:57.41 | DaDave | please please please help me. i'm about to get crazy: in all gtk (1.x i assume) apps like xmms or vlc the font is so small that i can not read anyhting. and i have no idea how to change that. |
| 17:57.46 | asg | nvz: it's a living :) |
| 17:57.47 | Ungy_ | mwilson because the previous gftp package that didn;t have the problem now has it when I downgraded and checked |
| 17:57.52 | DaDave | does anyone of you have an idea? |
| 17:57.53 | voltisubito | So umm... does anyone know how I can config xscreensaver in debian testing? |
| 17:58.00 | zeier | mwilson: In this case I was wrong and apologize to you for having pasted it. |
| 17:58.11 | tarzeau | DaDave: gtk-theme-switch ; switch |
| 17:58.12 | asg | voltisubito: xscreensaver-demo or something similar |
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| 17:58.35 | scarynetworkguy | voltisubito: man xscreensaver |
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| 17:58.38 | voltisubito | thanks |
| 17:58.40 | DaDave | tarzeau: i tried gtk-theme-switch. but that does not work. |
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| 17:58.50 | tarzeau | DaDave: yes xmms thinks it knows better |
| 17:58.50 | mwilson | DaDave: Except that it does, of course. |
| 17:59.01 | DaDave | but what can i do? |
| 17:59.03 | tarzeau | DaDave: it will work for normal gtk1 apps |
| 17:59.15 | tarzeau | DaDave: try Cynthiune.app |
| 17:59.24 | tarzeau | DaDave: or madplay or opencubicplayer or... |
| 17:59.25 | DaDave | tarzeau: what is vlc? is it gtk1 ? |
| 17:59.35 | tarzeau | DaDave: i don't know. i don't like gtk apps |
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| 18:00.01 | mwilson | DaDave: If you think the font your GTK1 apps are using is not acceptable, then you should change it. That's what you should do. gtk-theme-switch is one tool that allows you to do this. There are others, including simply editing ~/.gtkrc yourself. |
| 18:00.27 | DaDave | mwilson: i tried gtk-theme-switch with no effect. |
| 18:00.36 | tarzeau | DaDave: it will not affect xmms |
| 18:00.44 | mwilson | DaDave: Then use it again, and this time actually change the font. |
| 18:00.45 | tarzeau | DaDave: the xmms people have their own theming system |
| 18:00.45 | DaDave | mwilson: and i did not found any good documentation for the gtkrc file. |
| 18:00.47 | EvanCarroll | oh gothic |
| 18:00.49 | EvanCarroll | you are so l33t |
| 18:00.52 | EvanCarroll | (if you work) |
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| 18:00.56 | tarzeau | DaDave: maybe it doesn't exist |
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| 18:01.45 | ak | i know alsa-utils package used to manage mixer levels, but it conflicts with gnome now!! |
| 18:01.46 | ak | so how do i save my mixer levels? |
| 18:01.48 | DaDave | mwilson: how can i change the font with gtk-theme-switch? the only thing i can do there is switch the theme but not font selection... |
| 18:01.55 | Ungy_ | ok I am outa here I guess I won't report it until someone fromt eh lists gets back to me |
| 18:02.04 | tarzeau | ak: remove the conflicting software |
| 18:02.08 | Ungy_ | peace take care all |
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| 18:02.23 | tarzeau | DaDave: try harder |
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| 18:02.29 | mwilson | DaDave: <sigh> More Options >> Use Font >> Browse |
| 18:02.39 | DaDave | mwilson: there is no more options :-) |
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| 18:02.45 | tarzeau | DaDave: there is |
| 18:02.50 | DaDave | something is strange here :-) |
| 18:02.51 | ogum | PerfDave: foo-source?! does it means i have to put source on etc/apt/sources-list? |
| 18:02.53 | mwilson | DaDave: So now we've gone from "it doesn't work" to "I don't know how to use the application", right? |
| 18:02.54 | tarzeau | DaDave: but the interface of the software is just a nightmare |
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| 18:02.58 | ak | tarzeau: remove gnome, hal, udev, gnome-desktop-environment and gnome-volume-manager? |
| 18:03.02 | PerfDave | ogum: What are you talking about? |
| 18:03.03 | tarzeau | ak: yes |
| 18:03.05 | ak | tarzeau: are you serious? |
| 18:03.08 | tarzeau | ak: yes |
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| 18:03.14 | ak | tarzeau: then what? |
| 18:03.18 | DaDave | mwilson: no realy: there is no "more options"! |
| 18:03.18 | tarzeau | ak: you can be happy |
| 18:03.30 | mwilson | DaDave: Except that there is, of course. |
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| 18:03.43 | DaDave | mwilson: damn! sorry. |
| 18:03.43 | ak | tarzeau: but i need hal at least, which in turn needs udev ... etc. |
| 18:03.44 | tarzeau | DaDave: THERE IS |
| 18:03.50 | tarzeau | ak: then you must suffer |
| 18:04.04 | mwilson | ak: No, HAL does not need udev. |
| 18:04.08 | tarzeau | mwilson: we need the needle with poison |
| 18:04.20 | DaDave | mwilson: fuck this little plus button is the button for more options!??? why don't they just name it "more options". plus looks more like "adding a theme"! damn. |
| 18:04.32 | ak | tarzeau: there must an all-good solution, like doing manually what alsa-utils would do |
| 18:04.38 | simeon | i got some problems when i update&upgraded, cant start x -> Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'...tried and uninstall most package that belongs to xfonts xserver xfs and so on, but same error afterwards |
| 18:04.41 | ogum | PerfDave: i have some tar files that i want to instal ipw2100 from sorceforgenet on tar file. how do i install it? |
| 18:04.41 | tarzeau | DaDave: because they are bad interface designers |
| 18:04.50 | asg | simeon: /msg dpkg fixed |
| 18:04.53 | DaDave | tarzeau: yeah seems so :-( |
| 18:04.55 | tarzeau | ak: forget it. those who wrote that software were morons |
| 18:05.06 | PerfDave | ogum: No, you don't want to install ipw2100 from the tarballs on sourceforge. You want to install ipw2100 using module-assistant. |
| 18:05.10 | mwilson | tarzeau: You'll note that if he's seeing a little "plus", he's running gtk-theme-switch2, rather than what you told him to run. |
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| 18:05.36 | tarzeau | 23:12 < Deek> Good enough is the enemy of best. |
| 18:05.37 | DaDave | but it's still not working. neither in xmms nor in vlc |
| 18:05.40 | DaDave | damnit! |
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| 18:05.42 | PerfDave | ogum: That will download the ipw2100-source package, any kernel headers you need, compile everything together, make a .deb, install it and insert the module for you. Much easier. |
| 18:06.10 | mwilson | DaDave: You've been told at least three times that I've seen that neither xmms nor xine use GTK fonts. |
| 18:06.11 | tarzeau | mwilson: i really stopped using gtk/qt stuff since a few years, i so gave up on that crap... i didn't note |
| 18:06.11 | asg | simeon: 1) don't message people without asking. 2) type '/msg dpkg fixed' into you irc client and our bot will give you instructions that should solve your problem. |
| 18:06.13 | c01100011 | are there any known conflicts with the nvidia-glx package and xmms ? |
| 18:06.24 | tarzeau | DaDave: go buy windows xp |
| 18:06.26 | tarzeau | DaDave: or mac os x |
| 18:07.12 | mwilson | DaDave: You were told to run gtk-theme-switch, not gtk-theme-switch2, not that either one will change xmms's font presentation. As you were also told, xmms has its own theming system, as does xine. |
| 18:07.18 | DaDave | tarzeau: oh come on! do you realy thing you never had any problems with your linux!? don't be so arrogant! |
| 18:07.26 | ogum | PerfDave: my problem is how to do all that. first where to copy the tar file into? |
| 18:07.32 | tarzeau | DaDave: yes i had. i wasn't being arrogant |
| 18:07.42 | tarzeau | DaDave: but i didn't repeat asking the same shit 3 times within 8 hours |
| 18:08.13 | PerfDave | ogum: Forget about the tar files. You don't need them or want them. You can safely delete them. |
| 18:08.15 | chealer | c01100011: unlikely. what kind of conflicts? |
| 18:08.29 | PerfDave | ogum: Run module-assistant as root, tell it you want ipw2100, it will do the rest ;) |
| 18:08.29 | mwilson | DaDave: So...? |
| 18:08.32 | DaDave | tarzeau: okay, let's just forgett it. you are perfect and don'T make misthakes and all others are idiots. must been a happy world which you live in! |
| 18:08.45 | chealer | hey PerfDave |
| 18:09.07 | chealer | are you able to handle staying on this channel again? |
| 18:09.20 | PerfDave | chealer: I come and go, like a Karma Chameleon. |
| 18:09.22 | mwilson | tarzeau: Is there some particular reason he's going off on you for his not listening? |
| 18:09.26 | DaDave | mwilson: so what? the problem remains. i still don't know how to change the font setting in xmms. i did not see any option to set the font especialy for xmms. |
| 18:09.45 | tarzeau | mwilson: no idea, he's just frustrated i guess |
| 18:09.50 | chealer | PerfDave: good thing :) |
| 18:09.54 | mwilson | DaDave: For the FOURTH time, xmms has its own theming system. If you don't like the xmms skin, install a different one. |
| 18:10.06 | gasrp | hi all, I use debian 3 sarge and have a mp3 player, how can I mount it? thanks for help!! |
| 18:10.06 | ogum | chealer: it's a great channel for a complete nerd like me. so keep it up guys :) |
| 18:10.29 | chealer | ogum: nerds? but we're geeks! |
| 18:10.30 | tarzeau | DaDave: actually my world's not happy for the last month, and it's not gonna change for another 3 months |
| 18:10.31 | DaDave | mwilson: man, you make me sick! xmms has just skins for the main window. that has absolutely nothing to do with the fonts! |
| 18:10.58 | tarzeau | gasrp: plug it in, on the usb thing? check dmesg, probably mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 18:11.14 | DaDave | tarzeau: your world is not happy? that doesn't supprise me. arrogant ppl are often not happy. |
| 18:11.18 | tarzeau | DaDave: try ctrl-d in xmms, if the font is too small |
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| 18:11.29 | ogum | chealer: your geeks i a nerd, and need your good will to even start the machine, lol |
| 18:11.40 | tarzeau | DaDave: look i'm not arrogant. and i can be happy. it's just that i'm not now (has nothing to do with you) |
| 18:12.03 | prock | DaDave: there is no answer to your question here. xmms implemented things strangely and I don't think you'll have any luck changing the font. If there is a way to do it you'll be more likely to find out how in #xmms |
| 18:12.07 | mwilson | DaDave: Ok, let's see if we can actually localise what you're whining about. Are you whining about the presentation of xmms's main window, which does indeed use whatever fonts the skin provides, or are you whining about the fonts it uses in dialog boxes, which are in fact X core fonts, and are controlled by your GTK1 theme, which is set by gtk-theme-switch? |
| 18:12.09 | DaDave | tarzeau: am i talking to retards? it's fucking not the font in the main window! now you are the one who repeats already answered questions! |
| 18:12.18 | yang | is there a possibility to limit the size of directory like /home ? |
| 18:12.20 | voltisubito | DaDave, this may be silly, but have you tried the fonts tab in prerences (Crtl-P)? |
| 18:12.32 | dafen | a question, why now linux provides only patches for 2.6.9 or later? |
| 18:12.43 | dafen | so I can only patch to a previous 2.6.8? |
| 18:12.46 | chealer | dafen: what? |
| 18:12.51 | tarzeau | DaDave: you know you have to restart an application for the font size changes to take effect? |
| 18:12.55 | DaDave | voltisubito: i have tried. that was the first thing i did. no effect. |
| 18:13.04 | dafen | www.kernel.org |
| 18:13.10 | voltisubito | DaDave: just making sure... it works on mine |
| 18:13.14 | dafen | when I click the newest stable kernel link |
| 18:13.16 | chealer | dafen: what patches are you talking about? |
| 18:13.18 | DaDave | tarzeau: come on. don't speak to me like i'm an idiot! of course i have restarted it! |
| 18:13.21 | dafen | it shown a patch.... |
| 18:13.45 | mwilson | DaDave: So... which is it? |
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| 18:13.57 | dafen | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/patch-2.6.12.5.bz2 |
| 18:14.09 | dafen | it's been linked as newest kernel source.... |
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| 18:14.19 | DaDave | mwilson: which is what? |
| 18:14.27 | chealer | dafen: and how does this concern 2.6.9? |
| 18:14.29 | mwilson | DaDave: Which one are you whining about? |
| 18:14.29 | PerfDave | dafen: Non-Debian kernel sources and patches aren't really relevant on #debian :) |
| 18:14.34 | tarzeau | i hope gtk software dies and rots in hell |
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| 18:14.50 | dafen | look, I wanna download a source |
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| 18:14.56 | tarzeau | PerfDave: yes they are |
| 18:15.05 | dafen | looked through apt pool and it only has 2.6.8 |
| 18:15.06 | DaDave | mwilson: i'm not whining at all. |
| 18:15.12 | tarzeau | PerfDave: debian provides kernels that won't work on hardware that's out since half a year |
| 18:15.12 | PerfDave | tarzeau: We have kernel-source packages ;p |
| 18:15.13 | dafen | so I tried my luck at kernel.org |
| 18:15.17 | tarzeau | PerfDave: and they suck |
| 18:15.23 | dafen | but it 's so weird that they offer patches only |
| 18:15.24 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Whatever. |
| 18:15.30 | Miles_Prower | merfmerf! |
| 18:15.31 | mwilson | DaDave: Of course you are. So, which is it? |
| 18:15.34 | ogum | PerfDave: i did that, it gave an error, something about non-free |
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| 18:15.35 | tarzeau | PerfDave: you can't use "we", if i support non-debian kernels |
| 18:15.43 | DaDave | mwilson: i'm just asking for a solution for a problem. but seems you rather love to piss off ppl than beeing helpfull... |
| 18:15.45 | chealer | dafen: and you want the source of which kernel? |
| 18:15.46 | Miles_Prower | i have to recode parts of my site because Debian does not have php5 yet. |
| 18:15.51 | dafen | wanna 2.6.12 |
| 18:15.59 | chealer | Miles_Prower: debian does |
| 18:16.04 | Miles_Prower | Nope. |
| 18:16.09 | Miles_Prower | no packages for it with apt-get |
| 18:16.10 | PerfDave | tarzeau: So if someone supports Ubuntu on #debian, then #debian is an appropriate place for Ubuntu questions? |
| 18:16.13 | DaDave | mwilson: and the font i'm talking about is the font in the menu and the preferences window. |
| 18:16.20 | mwilson | Miles_Prower: If you're clueless enough to run a site on something other than stable. |
| 18:16.20 | Miles_Prower | only php4 |
| 18:16.21 | tarzeau | Miles_Prower: packages.debian.org/php5 |
| 18:16.28 | tarzeau | Miles_Prower: it's there. really |
| 18:16.29 | Miles_Prower | It's stable. |
| 18:16.37 | tarzeau | Miles_Prower: no it's sid |
| 18:16.40 | mwilson | Miles_Prower: Stable will *never* have PHP5. |
| 18:16.43 | tarzeau | and it's debian, officially |
| 18:16.44 | Miles_Prower | Ahh. |
| 18:16.46 | chealer | Miles_Prower: apt-get is only a frontend for APT. they all suggest the same packages |
| 18:16.50 | Miles_Prower | I am running stable. |
| 18:16.55 | tarzeau | Miles_Prower: your problem |
| 18:16.58 | Miles_Prower | but want php5. |
| 18:17.02 | tarzeau | i am running sid. |
| 18:17.09 | jdhutchin1 | Miles_Prower, check backports then |
| 18:17.11 | Miles_Prower | I don't know the difference between stable and sid. |
| 18:17.16 | Miles_Prower | therefore, wtf? |
| 18:17.16 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 18:17.16 | dpkg | hmm... sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:17.20 | vincent_ | mwilson: never ? |
| 18:17.25 | tarzeau | i know for sure, i will not want php |
| 18:17.53 | mwilson | DaDave: Which is a X core font, and controlled by your current GTK1 theme. *Also* for the fourth time, run gtk-theme-switch, select More Options > Use Font, and browse to the font you want to use. |
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| 18:18.02 | chealer | dafen: so, kernel.org and debian do have the 2.6.12 source. what's your question? |
| 18:18.07 | goccia | changing xmms playlist fonts its trivial : dont' care about skin |
| 18:18.08 | tarzeau | mwilson: it's just "switch" |
| 18:18.20 | dafen | no |
| 18:18.22 | dafen | they don't |
| 18:18.27 | dafen | apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 18:18.30 | dafen | look it yourself |
| 18:18.38 | nvz | asg: yeah either a sober living or a broke one |
| 18:18.42 | dafen | and at kernel.org, it has only a patch-2.6.12.5 |
| 18:18.44 | Miles_Prower | I am using 2.6.12.5 myself. |
| 18:18.55 | drac | dafen: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 18:18.57 | DaDave | mwilson: for the last time: i already tried gtk-switch-theme and i did changed the font with it, but it does not have any effect on xmms! |
| 18:19.00 | asg | nvz: of course |
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| 18:19.12 | tarzeau | DaDave: then file a bug report |
| 18:19.14 | dafen | oh... |
| 18:19.16 | tarzeau | DaDave: if you think it is a bug |
| 18:19.25 | micka | update gnome menu when apt-get install package ? |
| 18:19.30 | dafen | no |
| 18:19.32 | dafen | drac |
| 18:19.33 | dafen | nothing |
| 18:19.35 | tarzeau | micka: what? |
| 18:19.36 | DaDave | tarzeau: i don't know if it's a bug, since i don't know where xmms looks for the font settins. |
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| 18:19.53 | tarzeau | DaDave: xmms gtk part looks like any other gtk app in .gtkrc |
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| 18:19.55 | goccia | mainwindow too : it is ridicolous |
| 18:19.57 | mwilson | DaDave: No, you made it *quite* plain you were running gtk-theme-switch2, which alters the behavior of GTK2 applications. |
| 18:19.59 | micka | update items icons in gnome menu |
| 18:20.02 | tarzeau | DaDave: i guess it's a PEBKAC |
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| 18:20.17 | mwilson | DaDave: You've been told more times than I can count where xmms looks for that font setting. |
| 18:20.27 | DaDave | mwilson: i have never said that i use gtk-theme-switch2. |
| 18:20.27 | micka | apt-get install emacs21 vim now look my gnome menu and view only emacs icon no vim icons ? |
| 18:20.33 | drac | dafen: Well, debian has linux-image-2.6.12, and it's actually 2.6.12.5.. but only available in unstable. |
| 18:20.38 | mwilson | DaDave: You didn't have to say it. |
| 18:20.43 | dafen | I don't want image |
| 18:20.50 | dafen | I need source to compile |
| 18:20.53 | drac | dafen: and sources, and headers. |
| 18:20.57 | drac | dafen: everything is in unstable. |
| 18:21.02 | dafen | err..... |
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| 18:21.20 | goccia | DaDave: just click and go |
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| 18:21.26 | arnon | hello, what is the package name to play a movie ? |
| 18:21.37 | PerfDave | arnon: What kind of movie? |
| 18:21.41 | gravity | arnon: totem |
| 18:21.43 | dafen | whatever, how come there's no 2.6.12 available on kernel.org? |
| 18:21.50 | arnon | PerfDave, avi, mpeg, etc |
| 18:21.52 | dafen | I just want to directly download from there |
| 18:21.54 | mwilson | dafen: There is. |
| 18:21.55 | drac | dafen: yes, there is. |
| 18:21.57 | arnon | PerfDave, wmv |
| 18:22.04 | drac | dafen: debian has it, kernel.org has it. |
| 18:22.06 | PerfDave | arnon: There are many things that can play those sorts of files. xine, vlc, mplayer... |
| 18:22.14 | dafen | no |
| 18:22.16 | dafen | it's a patch! |
| 18:22.20 | drac | dafen: bullshit :) |
| 18:22.21 | DaDave | mwilson: don'T make stupid assumtions about what others are using or not. so now again for those who appear to not be able to read: i used the 1.x version of gtk-theme-switch not the 2.x version! |
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| 18:22.22 | dafen | I clicked the link |
| 18:22.23 | tarzeau | PerfDave: and mplayer is not even in main |
| 18:22.24 | arnon | PerfDave, what are you recommending? |
| 18:22.26 | dafen | and it shew a patch |
| 18:22.29 | tarzeau | arnon: i use mplayer |
| 18:22.31 | DaDave | goccia: click and go? |
| 18:22.34 | dafen | dude, do it there, and see |
| 18:22.40 | asg | dafen: click the 'F' link |
| 18:22.43 | tarzeau | xine and vlc have horrible interfaces |
| 18:22.45 | mwilson | dafen: Don't bother wasting anyone's time... I'm looking right at it. |
| 18:22.45 | PerfDave | arnon: I use vlc for preference |
| 18:22.50 | arnon | tarzeau, I tried apt-get install mplayer and it failed |
| 18:22.52 | dafen | oh , shxt |
| 18:22.58 | tarzeau | arnon: yeah, install it from source |
| 18:23.01 | goccia | DaDave: got your 1.x just now |
| 18:23.01 | dafen | why do they put f there?! |
| 18:23.03 | PerfDave | tarzeau: I'll agree with you on xine's interface, it's about as horrible as mplayer's. |
| 18:23.05 | asg | dafen: for full |
| 18:23.05 | mwilson | DaDave: Except that you didn't, as your description of the user interface made plain. |
| 18:23.14 | tarzeau | PerfDave: mplayer's is very good |
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| 18:23.19 | PerfDave | tarzeau: I disagree. |
| 18:23.20 | mwilson | dafen: There's no f anywhere. |
| 18:23.20 | drac | dafen: it's explained in that page, F = Full Source |
| 18:23.31 | mwilson | Oh, he's looking at the web interface. |
| 18:23.34 | dafen | I used to click the link, and never had a problem, did they change it this way? |
| 18:23.36 | asg | mwilson: of course |
| 18:23.42 | drac | dafen: It's been like this for years |
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| 18:24.01 | dafen | I remembered when I downloading a 2.4 source from there, I only need to click the link |
| 18:24.05 | tarzeau | does dpkg not see root users anymore? now they have n=, i= ? |
| 18:24.14 | PerfDave | arnon: mplayer (and many video codecs) can't be distributed with Debian for reasons of patents. If you're in a country where software patents don't apply, you can install them from Marillat's repository - type "/msg dpkg marillat" into your IRC program. If not, I believe you may be able to obtain a patent license by buying Linspire. |
| 18:24.14 | tarzeau | !owner |
| 18:24.15 | dpkg | dondelelcaro owns me |
| 18:24.17 | DaDave | mwilson: okay whatever. let's just say that you don't have any idea how to solve the problem. |
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| 18:24.26 | asg | tarzeau: it does, greycat fixed it iirc |
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| 18:24.44 | tarzeau | asg: ah, i miss the ROOOOOOOT has stranded |
| 18:24.51 | asg | tarzeau: dondelelcaro turned off the 'ROOO' because he was tired of seeing it |
| 18:25.07 | tarzeau | he could've used an /ignore |
| 18:25.22 | mwilson | And having it doesn't stop the stupids from IRC-ing as root. |
| 18:25.38 | tarzeau | they don't just exit and come back as user? |
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| 18:25.48 | asg | tarzeau: some do, some don't |
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| 18:26.00 | mwilson | DaDave: Except that I do, having given you three different ways to do it. The fact that you don't want to follow any of them is not my problem. |
| 18:26.05 | yang | is there a possibility to limit the size of directory like /home once the debian is installed? |
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| 18:26.19 | PerfDave | I still like the idea of +q'ing root users and having apt /msg them on join |
| 18:26.22 | www | hello there |
| 18:26.22 | asg | yang: create /home as a separate partition. |
| 18:26.31 | asg | PerfDave: I thought that was still happening. |
| 18:26.38 | www | is there a package to limit the bandwidth by process ? |
| 18:26.49 | yang | asg: but its allready installed |
| 18:26.50 | tarzeau | www: i don't think so |
| 18:26.53 | www | :( |
| 18:26.54 | asg | www: check lartc.org |
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| 18:27.11 | asg | yang: then resize your '/' or create a new one in freespace and move /home to it. |
| 18:27.17 | www | i would like sthg like netlimiter but command line |
| 18:27.28 | asg | yang: or backup your volatile data and reinstall with a more sane filesystem layout. |
| 18:27.35 | PerfDave | asg: Dunno, I haven't tried running IRC as root ;) |
| 18:27.48 | ogum | PerfDave: just added this line: "deb ftp: //ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/" to my sources list, but still got error on module-assistant |
| 18:27.48 | tarzeau | www: tell me if you find one |
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| 18:27.54 | asg | PerfDave: last time I did was in '91 or so and I was yelled at then (for the last time.) |
| 18:27.58 | www | you are interested too ? |
| 18:28.02 | frumious-0 | yang: you might also look in to disk quotas |
| 18:28.02 | myo | hey |
| 18:28.03 | tarzeau | www: sure |
| 18:28.06 | asg | yang: finally, you could just quota your users. |
| 18:28.17 | www | what i found is qos but only per ports or ip addresses |
| 18:28.23 | PerfDave | ogum: Uhm, that line won't work. /msg dpkg non-free sources |
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| 18:29.33 | BullWeivel | i have to replace one drive with another one. Whats the best method for making sure all files are copied over? I wish I had a version of Ghost from Norton... I imagine there is not such utility like it for linux to copy from one drive to another and have it still be bootable???? |
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| 18:29.55 | asg | BullWeivel: google for g4u, or use rsync, dump, tar, cpio, etc. |
| 18:30.09 | frumious-0 | BullWeivel: or "dd" |
| 18:30.15 | PerfDave | BullWeivel: partimage, g4u, dd, and many other tools exist. |
| 18:31.00 | DaDave | mwilson: 1. everything you said does simply not work. 2. changing the skin of winamp is useless bc it has nothing to do with the fonts in the menu and the preferences window. 3. switching to another app just bc you temporarly cannot change the font is a silly idea. |
| 18:31.07 | asg | PerfDave: porridge with sausages in? |
| 18:31.20 | PerfDave | asg: Nah, just sausages. |
| 18:31.21 | DaDave | mwilson: your tipps are the most useless tips a have seen for a long time. |
| 18:31.54 | myo | i got disconnected and i lost the command which someone said for monitor |
| 18:31.54 | myo | what is that ?? |
| 18:31.54 | myo | it looks like xidvtun |
| 18:31.54 | myo | dont know |
| 18:31.54 | goccia | DaDave: what desktop are you using ? |
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| 18:32.04 | DaDave | goccia: gnome |
| 18:32.20 | tarzeau | mwilson: your tips helped me back in time. it's weekend after all |
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| 18:32.42 | tarzeau | the hell is over after 3 hours |
| 18:32.44 | PerfDave | Wow, mwilson was ever helpful to anyone? ;) |
| 18:32.52 | tarzeau | PerfDave: yes of course |
| 18:32.52 | crn | how do i turn off the graphic login? |
| 18:32.55 | asg | PerfDave: you should read d-u more, he's very helpful. |
| 18:32.58 | tarzeau | !nodm |
| 18:32.58 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 18:32.58 | asg | crn: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 18:33.04 | PerfDave | asg: Had a BBQ yesterday, plenty of leftover meat. |
| 18:33.10 | asg | PerfDave: ah, nice. |
| 18:33.10 | PerfDave | asg: Oh, it's just on IRC that he's a tit then. |
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| 18:33.17 | crn | asg, thanks |
| 18:33.22 | www | bye |
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| 18:33.43 | asg | PerfDave: matter of perspective I suppose, he's always been friendly to me. |
| 18:34.05 | PerfDave | asg: I don't think I've ever actually seen him give any useful advice to anyone on IRC, just FUD, outright lies and insults. |
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| 18:34.39 | HayArms | Hi all |
| 18:34.47 | asg | PerfDave: we can't all be on 24/7 |
| 18:34.54 | PerfDave | asg: Some of us try ;) |
| 18:35.04 | PerfDave | Anyway, food, my girlfriend is getting hungry ;) |
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| 18:35.13 | asg | PerfDave: enjoy |
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| 18:35.19 | concept10 | Anyone familiar with cpufrequtils or processor scaling in general? |
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| 18:35.48 | DaDave | problem solved. it was simply a problem with the language set in my system. |
| 18:35.48 | nvz | I for one enjoy mwilson's antics |
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| 18:36.15 | concept10 | Im having trouble setting the maximum processor speed |
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| 18:36.21 | nvz | only thing better than watching mwilson work is watching it with that little animated user icon from debstats |
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| 18:37.03 | mwilson | DaDave: Did I tell you to change to another application? No? I didn't think I had. |
| 18:38.03 | nvz | you guys make it sound as though it's mwilson's fault idiots ask questions |
| 18:38.07 | DaDave | mwilson: oh sorry, i don't know maybe it was someone other who said that. but anyway. you did not helped rather you bitched around. |
| 18:38.12 | goccia | DaDave: maybe yours ~/.xmms/config is the problem : try to mv ~/.xmms ~/.xmms_old and restart xmms |
| 18:38.37 | nvz | after all, there are no stupid questions. Just stupid people. |
| 18:38.38 | mwilson | DaDave: Yes, I can see how an accurate description of how things work would not be acceptable to you. |
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| 18:38.50 | gravity | DaDave: I recommend /ignore |
| 18:39.09 | DaDave | goccia: you missed my line a couple of secounds ago :-) the problem is already solved. the problem was that the setted language of the system was not supported by the installed fonts. |
| 18:39.23 | mwilson | gravity: If he ignores everyone who calmly gives him the correct answer, soon he'll only be talking to the idiots. |
| 18:39.32 | DaDave | gravity: yeah might be a good idea. |
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| 18:39.52 | goccia | DaDave: nice to know : i was looking arounf for you :) |
| 18:39.58 | goccia | round* |
| 18:40.01 | micka | emerge --search <my package> = apt-cache <my package> ? result many <*my package*> |
| 18:40.02 | DaDave | hehe :-) |
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| 18:40.04 | DaDave | thanks |
| 18:40.20 | mwilson | micka: Does this look like #gentoo? |
| 18:40.45 | micka | best way for install package in debian apt-get deforma ? and add color schema ? |
| 18:41.06 | HayArms | maybe he is a gentoo user that want to try debian? |
| 18:41.08 | micka | mwilson: gentoo gtk+ is break |
| 18:41.16 | tarzeau | HayArms: that want to troll maybe |
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| 18:41.31 | mwilson | micka: So? |
| 18:41.32 | HayArms | I hope not :) |
| 18:41.39 | UFO | add an 'initrd=/initrd.img' to the image=/vmlinuz |
| 18:41.44 | UFO | how do i do that |
| 18:41.45 | UFO | ;) |
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| 18:41.57 | micka | HayArms: for maemo sdk a deb package in debian |
| 18:42.09 | nvz | oh dear god. I could sit here and watch Eliza Dushku dancing in a bikini all day |
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| 18:42.27 | HayArms | I don't know what maemo is , sorry |
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| 18:42.43 | cadu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.48 | cadu | sorry |
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| 18:44.38 | tarzeau | nvz: wait, wasn't she in that film called resident evil? |
| 18:44.42 | concept10 | Does anyone know how to set the maximum CPU scaling speed? |
| 18:44.50 | tarzeau | concept10: powerpc ? |
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| 18:45.01 | concept10 | tarzeau, p4 |
| 18:45.14 | nvz | tarzeau: I dont think so. |
| 18:45.17 | HayArms | guys, I've a problem in backporting libwxgtk2.6-0 from experimental to sarge |
| 18:45.19 | HayArms | It says |
| 18:45.30 | nvz | tarzeau: she was in that movie "Bring It On" |
| 18:45.30 | HayArms | Converting... |
| 18:45.30 | HayArms | Run Tex2RTF again to include contents page. |
| 18:45.30 | HayArms | make: *** [build-doc-stamp] Error 255 |
| 18:45.30 | HayArms | Comando di costruzione 'cd wxwidgets2.6-2.6.1.1 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' fallito. |
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| 18:45.41 | HayArms | You know how to solve this? |
| 18:45.46 | tarzeau | nvz: true, that was milla jovovich |
| 18:46.20 | concept10 | I keep getting this. concept10@localhost:/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq$ echo 2599960 > scaling_setspeed |
| 18:46.32 | concept10 | permission denied |
| 18:46.46 | asg | concept10: do it as root |
| 18:46.47 | tarzeau | concept10: try as root |
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| 18:47.22 | concept10 | same deal, should I chmod this? |
| 18:47.40 | asg | concept10: you can't chmod it, it doesn't exist until you read it. |
| 18:48.00 | DaDave | cu all and thanks for the most useless conversation i had in rc for ages... :-) (except you goccia who actually tried to help :-)) |
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| 18:48.02 | asg | concept10: if it doesn't work as root, then either your process doesn't support that scaling speed or the freq module your running. |
| 18:48.27 | asg | s/your/you're/ |
| 18:48.29 | nvz | tarzeau: I am not really sure what the hell I am watching now cant remember |
| 18:48.54 | nvz | tarzeau: oh, its that movie "The New Guy" |
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| 18:49.17 | floppyears | hi |
| 18:49.22 | concept10 | asg, I have p4-clockmod running along with powernowd, it scales down to 199mhz and up tp 1.59ghz, I want to change the min/max settings. I want min 1.0 ghz, max 2.6 ghz |
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| 18:49.26 | nvz | they only seem to play dumb movies on tv |
| 18:49.28 | floppyears | I'm having a problem with my kde menu's in debian |
| 18:49.35 | nvz | at least they got sexy actresses |
| 18:49.41 | tarzeau | floppyears: you're not the first |
| 18:49.49 | floppyears | when I click in kicker, it doesn't show any of the other entries :( |
| 18:49.49 | tarzeau | floppyears: why can't people just use sarge? |
| 18:49.58 | floppyears | tarzeau: can you expand on a solution? |
| 18:49.59 | tarzeau | floppyears: yes we've had that today already |
| 18:50.04 | tarzeau | floppyears: no, i don't use kde |
| 18:50.32 | concept10 | asg, Ive tried cpufrequtils and those other files in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq |
| 18:50.34 | floppyears | tarzeau: is there a link somewhere where I can learn more about this bug? |
| 18:50.37 | tarzeau | nvz: wanna try watching nethack, realtime stream? |
| 18:50.44 | asg | concept10: cat scaling_available_frequencies (those should be the frequencies you can set) |
| 18:50.44 | tarzeau | floppyears: no idea, bts maybe |
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| 18:51.13 | tarzeau | nvz: telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 |
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| 18:51.39 | concept10 | asg, this is what I get 199995 399990 599985 799980 999975 1199970 1399965 1599960 |
| 18:51.53 | concept10 | I want to change those |
| 18:52.10 | cadu | concept10: tried _writing_ to it ? |
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| 18:52.15 | asg | concept10: 2599960 isn't in that list so I expect it cannot be changed |
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| 18:52.37 | nvz | heh why the hell would I want to watch nethack. ASCII dungeon or 22 year old Eliza Dushku.. hmm |
| 18:52.38 | concept10 | asg, why not? this is a 2.66 ghz processor |
| 18:52.53 | asg | concept10: the freq driver doesn't think so |
| 18:53.08 | cadu | nvz: what? :) |
| 18:53.16 | nvz | she's 24 now. she'll be 25 in december.. but she was only like 22 in this movie |
| 18:53.25 | tarzeau | nvz: kill time? |
| 18:53.28 | asg | nvz: at that age, it doesn't really matter |
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| 18:53.45 | tarzeau | nvz: you know nethack can be very funny at some moments |
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| 18:53.54 | nichos | how can i turn on network testing for spamassassin? |
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| 18:53.54 | cadu | nethack rocks , indeed |
| 18:53.59 | cadu | tarzeau: managed to ascend ? |
| 18:54.06 | tarzeau | cadu: yes. |
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| 18:54.12 | cadu | <--- twice :) |
| 18:54.12 | concept10 | asg, have you written to any of those files? |
| 18:54.14 | asg | nichos: ask #spamassassin |
| 18:54.26 | nichos | asg its a debian config file |
| 18:54.28 | tarzeau | cadu: congrats! look now, telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 |
| 18:54.32 | nvz | asg: what doesnt matter? exactly how old she is? |
| 18:54.42 | nichos | asg sa to run local uses -local, but my process doesnt seem to be doing that |
| 18:54.50 | asg | concept10: yes, scaling_available_frequencies lists the frequencies I can enter into scaling_setspeed |
| 18:54.56 | UFO | hm.. my new kernel image needed /initrd.img in lilo config, but there is no /initrd.img |
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| 18:55.09 | cadu | tarzeau: ahhaah ! i know you ! i hate you :) |
| 18:55.18 | tarzeau | cadu: why? |
| 18:55.19 | asg | nichos: then see /etc/default/spamassassin (if it exists) or /etc/init.d/spamd (or whichever it is) |
| 18:55.19 | UFO | ah |
| 18:55.20 | UFO | well |
| 18:55.21 | cadu | tarzeau: (just remembered) :) |
| 18:55.23 | UFO | now there is |
| 18:55.33 | tarzeau | cadu: from #nethack ? |
| 18:55.34 | cadu | tarzeau: were you a #nethack regular ? :) |
| 18:55.38 | cadu | tarzeau: yeah ! |
| 18:55.42 | tarzeau | cadu: sure, still am ;) |
| 18:55.52 | nichos | thanks |
| 18:55.53 | cadu | tarzeau: ehhehehehe |
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| 18:56.08 | deadcat | can i run 2 or more gdm at the same time? |
| 18:56.28 | asg | deadcat: yes |
| 18:56.57 | deadcat | asg: got a link? |
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| 18:57.12 | deadcat | asg: i read that kdm can, but couldnt find anything on gdm |
| 18:57.28 | asg | deadcat: same way you run X. X -- :1 (edit the gdm config to start another I expect) |
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| 18:57.42 | deadcat | asg: oh... |
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| 18:57.58 | UFO | is it also possible to use gdm login screen for VNC sessions |
| 18:57.59 | UFO | ? |
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| 18:58.36 | deadcat | UFO: not vnc, but you can enable remote login with gdm |
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| 18:58.44 | UFO | eh |
| 18:58.49 | UFO | there is a X0 vnc server |
| 18:58.53 | UFO | ;) |
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| 19:01.26 | concept10 | this whole damned cpu scaling daemon and userspace utils SUCK |
| 19:01.35 | concept10 | im pissed |
| 19:01.36 | cadu | anyone knows a place where can i learn how to do remote x11 ? i have a slow box at home that i could use as a thin client to my fast/main one so more than one person could use it |
| 19:01.38 | woodland | hi, i installed debian, but i dont see any symbol for volume control, how do i set it up |
| 19:01.51 | UFO | Linux LinuxBak 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 19:01.52 | UFO | kewl |
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| 19:01.53 | concept10 | woodland, gnome? |
| 19:01.56 | woodland | ke |
| 19:01.58 | woodland | kde |
| 19:01.58 | tarzeau | woodland: volume as in storage or as in audio? |
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| 19:02.02 | UFO | my first successful kernel update |
| 19:02.06 | woodland | audio |
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| 19:02.15 | tarzeau | woodland: i use volumecontrol.app or aumix |
| 19:02.40 | woodland | how do i check if i have any driver for that, any command |
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| 19:04.11 | woodland | how do i check if i have audio volume control driver |
| 19:04.28 | floppyears | hi |
| 19:04.32 | myo | woodland: check wht ? |
| 19:04.38 | floppyears | is anybody here having problems with kde menus? |
| 19:05.23 | woodland | myo, volume control symbol dosnt appear on my desktop |
| 19:05.33 | green_earz | woodland: track down kmix on you kbar |
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| 19:05.40 | pink1 | hola - any one know how to get my sound back after my laptop has been on standby - I've restarted alsa. (Sarge on a toshiba laptop) |
| 19:06.06 | woodland | where can i find kbar |
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| 19:06.39 | green_earz | woodland: the k icon in the left hand corner |
| 19:06.41 | myo | alsamixer ? |
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| 19:07.40 | woodland | green, i found it |
| 19:08.21 | green_earz | woodland: and to update the menu go to on the k bar " settings > menu update tool " |
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| 19:09.23 | chealer | floppyears: #debian-kde ? |
| 19:09.36 | floppyears | chealer: thanks. I didn't know that they existed :) |
| 19:09.45 | GooZ | anybody knows when will be instalable libgnomeuimm-2.6-dev in unstable ? thank you : ) |
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| 19:11.05 | pink1 | myo: that for me? |
| 19:11.16 | theintern | hello, what would be the best way to get my internet ip address through the command line (im behinda routher so ifconfig eth0 gives my local network address) |
| 19:11.25 | theintern | routher = router |
| 19:11.37 | tarzeau | theintern: ifconfig eth1 ? |
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| 19:12.01 | BullWeivel | partimage, g4u, dd, ... hrmm... which one can i simple boot with the existing drive and copy everything over? (also I was going to checkout dd, but I don't see anything on apt for it?? am i looking for the wrong thing i wonder) |
| 19:12.03 | tarzeau | GooZ: you can try it everyday... |
| 19:12.05 | theintern | eth0 is connected to a router, which is connected to the internet, i want to know the router's adderss.. i guess |
| 19:12.15 | nvz | theintern: google -> what's my ip? |
| 19:12.24 | BullWeivel | www.whatsmyip.net |
| 19:12.27 | woodland | thanx green, i could do it |
| 19:12.30 | theintern | *through the command line* |
| 19:12.37 | nvz | theintern: in case you didnt know, google knows everything. even your IP |
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| 19:12.43 | tarzeau | theintern: there's browsers for the command line. but why doesn't it tell you with ifconfig ? |
| 19:12.46 | GooZ | tarzeau, lol I try I try ... |
| 19:12.48 | phanter | hello, is there a way to move the directory of evolution from the home folder to an other folder? |
| 19:12.55 | woodland | can anybody tell me how do i remove games in kde individually |
| 19:13.01 | theintern | tarzeau, ifconfig tells me 192.168.0.101 |
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| 19:13.15 | tarzeau | theintern: do you have another router? |
| 19:13.16 | theintern | i want to get my ip for a script im wriitng |
| 19:13.21 | frumious-0 | BullWeivel: dd is in util-linux package |
| 19:13.32 | mega | I need xfree 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 (or -5,6,7) pretty badly. Does anyone know where can I get them? |
| 19:13.40 | Gnea | theintern: script? |
| 19:13.46 | gravity | mega: snapshot.debian.net |
| 19:13.51 | BullWeivel | thanks intern |
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| 19:14.09 | UFO | theintern, lynx www.whatsmyip.net |
| 19:14.22 | mega | gravity: they lost the previous year's archive |
| 19:14.29 | gravity | hrm |
| 19:14.43 | gravity | mega: You could check it out from the Debian X repo I suppose |
| 19:14.44 | green_earz | woodland: here is a very usefull debian doc, bookmark it could come in use full > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
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| 19:14.51 | tarzeau | T:1870 and i've got a blessed magic lamp |
| 19:14.54 | gravity | mega: You'd have to build it yourself, which would take a long time, but it's do-able |
| 19:14.54 | woodland | ok |
| 19:15.07 | mega | gravity: thanks, I'll try |
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| 19:15.55 | Gnea | theintern: ip a s dev eth0 | grep "inet\ " | awk '{print $2}' | sed -e 's/\/[0-9][0-9]//g' |
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| 19:16.53 | woodland | what is the command to install firefox browser |
| 19:17.04 | green_earz | woodland: have a look on the kbar for kpackage or synaptic |
| 19:17.07 | gravity | woodland: aptitude install mozilla-firefox |
| 19:17.07 | UFO | apt-get install firefox |
| 19:17.07 | deadcat | alias whatsmyip="lynx -dump www.whatismyip.com | awk '/Your IP/ {print \$4}'" |
| 19:17.07 | UFO | ? |
| 19:17.11 | woodland | ok |
| 19:17.20 | Gnea | woodland: apt-cache search firefox, then apt-get install the packagename |
| 19:17.36 | cadu | firefox 1.0.6 in sarge, is it possible ? o_O |
| 19:17.39 | deadcat | UFO: mozilla-firefox |
| 19:17.44 | UFO | whatever |
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| 19:17.56 | deadcat | cadu: if not, download it from sid and installit with dpkg -i |
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| 19:19.00 | BullWeivel | dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb |
| 19:19.17 | nvz | damn homeboy called this morning and I just now realized it |
| 19:19.18 | chealer | cadu: no |
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| 19:19.20 | woodland | Gnea, when i did apt-cache search firefox, it says invalid operation code, i logged in as root after 'su' |
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| 19:19.22 | BullWeivel | that should work right.? to copy the entire hda to hdb... do i realy need to unmount it ?? dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb |
| 19:19.33 | phogg | BullWeivel: for identical disks, probably |
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| 19:19.49 | BullWeivel | blah.. meant unmount..and then remount as read-only. |
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| 19:20.17 | Gnea | woodland: that's weird, sounds like a possible hardware problem |
| 19:20.32 | woodland | should i 'su -' Gnea |
| 19:20.43 | nvz | fuck. we got to quit playing phone tag. |
| 19:21.02 | cadu | deadcat: can't |
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| 19:21.08 | cadu | deadcat: i'll have to update libatk and other |
| 19:21.10 | cadu | ;( |
| 19:21.16 | green_earz | woodland: if you do not have java enable for your brower, check out the link > http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 or you could use a java package from apt-get.org |
| 19:21.17 | phogg | woodland: Did it say "E: Invalid operation: search" ? |
| 19:21.18 | cadu | (trying to dpkg -i firefox from sid) |
| 19:21.19 | cadu | :( |
| 19:21.27 | Merl840 | grr. |
| 19:21.34 | Gnea | woodland: don't ask me, try it and see if it works |
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| 19:21.38 | Merl840 | XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" |
| 19:21.38 | Merl840 | after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. |
| 19:21.48 | woodland | i am sorry guys, i typed command wrongly, Gnea, sorry |
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| 19:22.06 | Gnea | woodland: that's what i figured:) |
| 19:22.08 | fdv | does anybody know how I can install kdelibs4 (not 3.4) on unstable? |
| 19:22.12 | woodland | lol |
| 19:22.20 | Merl840 | damn X server. |
| 19:22.28 | Daveman | indeed |
| 19:22.45 | fdv | kdelibs-bin is needed by kdelibs4, but needs kdelibs4c2 |
| 19:22.52 | chealer | fdv: ask #debian-kde |
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| 19:22.58 | fdv | chealer: thanks |
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| 19:23.10 | woodland | is mozilla brower different from firefox browser |
| 19:23.21 | jdhutchin1 | yes |
| 19:23.22 | chealer | woodland: yes, somewhat |
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| 19:23.36 | Merl840 | Xserver is retarded. |
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| 19:23.45 | green_earz | woodland: firefox is a cut down version |
| 19:23.48 | Merl840 | wont start. |
| 19:23.48 | Gnea | woodland: yeah, firefox is standalone |
| 19:24.04 | Gnea | Merl840: cuz you broke it |
| 19:24.08 | Merl840 | i didnt break it |
| 19:24.09 | phogg | woodland: they're both XUL and Gecko based browsers, but have differnt UIs (among other things) |
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| 19:24.15 | Merl840 | its a brand new install of debian... net install |
| 19:24.26 | Gnea | Merl840: someone else has access to it? |
| 19:24.29 | woodland | Gnea, when i use yur command, it shows packages in different langauges, and also some more packages |
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| 19:24.38 | Merl840 | it just got done installing like 10 minutes ago |
| 19:24.44 | Merl840 | no one has access to it. |
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| 19:24.56 | Gnea | woodland: of course it does, the idea is to read the content and figure out for yourself the proper packagename |
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| 19:24.56 | Merl840 | except me, and i havnt touched it other then trying to log in |
| 19:25.16 | woodland | ok |
| 19:25.23 | Merl840 | i dont wanna reinstall. |
| 19:25.34 | Gnea | Merl840: then yes, it's your own fault. actually, you just need to configure X properly |
| 19:26.00 | Merl840 | ok ur confusing me. |
| 19:26.02 | woodland | Gnea, but if i use command 'apt- get install mozilla' which language browser is installed? |
| 19:26.03 | green_earz | Merl840: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to config xserver |
| 19:26.09 | Gnea | you confused yourself |
| 19:26.18 | bhikhu | I'm trying to recompile the kernel and I've been getting an error on make menuconfig: scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration ... |
| 19:26.31 | bhikhu | Anyone know what this is about? Google hasn't been very helpful |
| 19:26.32 | phogg | !ur |
| 19:26.32 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
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| 19:27.13 | phanter | how can I make a symbolic link like: ln <home folder on ext3> <some folder on fat32> |
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| 19:27.26 | Gnea | phanter: you can't |
| 19:27.34 | phogg | phanter: ln -s source_file linkname |
| 19:27.46 | Gnea | phanter: the vfat/ntfs filesystems don't support symbolic linking |
| 19:27.57 | phanter | is there an other way to do this ? |
| 19:28.04 | Gnea | copy the files over |
| 19:28.09 | concept10 | I want to keep my Sarge server secure as a California prison, should I add any repos to my list besides the default three? |
| 19:28.14 | Gnea | or |
| 19:28.16 | Gnea | use samba |
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| 19:28.35 | sombra | how can I do OR?: if [ "$(echo "${DEBIAN_VERSION} != 3.1 OR 2.1" | bc)" = "1" ]; then echo "Unknown release"; fi |
| 19:28.43 | phanter | Gnea, how can i use samba for this? (I am not familiar with samba) |
| 19:28.44 | Merl840 | ok fuck it. |
| 19:28.52 | green_earz | bhikhu: did you install libncurses5-dev |
| 19:28.54 | frumious-0 | sombra: -o |
| 19:29.01 | lfalvarez | hi. Doues any of you know how to print several "250-" lines before the "250 " one ?? |
| 19:29.25 | lfalvarez | in my postfix |
| 19:29.26 | sombra | frumious-0, what, where? |
| 19:29.30 | bhikhu | green_earz yep. I've done this plenty of times, but this error started today. |
| 19:29.34 | K9-Cop | I'm installing the Adobe Reader plugin. I copied the nppdf.so file to the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins directory and it works fine for Konqueror. However, it doesn't appear as a plugin in Firefox 1.04, Any suggestions? |
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| 19:29.41 | phogg | sombra: man test |
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| 19:29.45 | fatal_ | concept10: having security.debian.org as a source never hurts to get the security updates as soon as possible (in case your mirror hasn't been updated)... but other then that do NOT add any third party sources.... |
| 19:30.03 | Gnea | phanter: well samba acts like a glue between networked filesystems, regardless if it's windows or linux, so you could set it to the partition then just create a desktop link or something like that |
| 19:30.08 | phogg | sombra: or man [ if you prefer |
| 19:30.18 | Gnea | phanter: but you can't do symbolic links, it's just not possible |
| 19:30.19 | woodland | what is the difference between browsers mozilla and firefox |
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| 19:30.34 | concept10 | fatal_, okay, that is in default |
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| 19:30.35 | Gnea | woodland: go visit http://www.mozilla.org |
| 19:30.37 | maffelu_ | I need new sources for woody, anyone have them? |
| 19:30.38 | moshii | does someone know of some skim packages for debian? |
| 19:30.38 | Kayte | im a n00b to debian |
| 19:30.41 | maffelu_ | for my apt-getting |
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| 19:30.42 | Kayte | but i have a problem |
| 19:30.42 | frumious-0 | sombra: "test" is also a bash builtin "help test" if you use bash. |
| 19:30.46 | woodland | ok |
| 19:30.50 | Kayte | I recently installed it, well about an hour ago |
| 19:30.58 | Kayte | and i have only 2 video modes, both are huge |
| 19:30.59 | moshii | Kayte: it's best to just get it out and say it |
| 19:31.00 | maffelu_ | http://ftp.du.se/debian-non-US/ <--doesn't work anymore for me |
| 19:31.08 | Kayte | bit rude. |
| 19:31.10 | Gnea | Kayte: you're not alone. |
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| 19:31.28 | green_earz | woodland : apt-cache show mozilla-firefox |
| 19:31.34 | c01100011 | are there any known conflicts with the nvidia-glx package and xmms ? |
| 19:31.36 | Gnea | Kayte: no, that's just how it works here - you say what the problem is in detail and someone will help then |
| 19:31.47 | moshii | Kayte: have you tried reconfiguring X? |
| 19:31.52 | phogg | maffelu_: man sources.list and look at the examples |
| 19:31.57 | concept10 | im so damned bored, maybe i should put up a pr0n site on my server |
| 19:32.04 | phanter | I am really starting to hate windows by now... Why does my Uni demand me to use win32 progs !#%&( |
| 19:32.11 | Kayte | i dont know how |
| 19:32.15 | woodland | thanx green |
| 19:32.31 | Gnea | Kayte: check out the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file |
| 19:32.31 | phanter | concept10, I can check out the girls for you if you like ;) |
| 19:32.38 | green_earz | c01100011: have install nvidia 3d drive and xmms as stop ? |
| 19:32.45 | moshii | phanter: and they're usually the really crap ones with bad protection schemes that wine can't handle aren't they .. |
| 19:32.54 | Gnea | Kayte: with vim or nano |
| 19:33.11 | frumious-0 | sombra: if [ "$DV" != "3.1" -a "$DV" != "2.1" ] ; then echo "unknown release" ; fi; |
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| 19:33.22 | concept10 | phanter, actually, im looking for a content manager that I can use for a porn site |
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| 19:33.23 | kurumin | eita laskera :D |
| 19:33.26 | Kayte | i dont have that file |
| 19:33.26 | phanter | moshii, of course. and with special networking needs because they are so damn special progs... |
| 19:33.27 | Kayte | Gnea |
| 19:33.28 | moshii | Kayte: dpkg-reconfigure .. don't edit the files by hand |
| 19:33.28 | c01100011 | green_earz - i installed nvidia-glx and xmms stopped working, remove it, xmms works but nvidia driver doesn't |
| 19:33.32 | frumious-0 | sombra: use $DEBIAN_VERSION, not "$DV" of course. |
| 19:33.46 | Kayte | thank you |
| 19:33.48 | phanter | concept10, hmm, that is a good start.I do not (yet) have any experiene |
| 19:33.52 | Kayte | i will tell you what happens when it is done |
| 19:33.53 | Gnea | :) |
| 19:33.55 | kurumin | jah to dentro? |
| 19:33.56 | Gnea | ok |
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| 19:34.09 | pink1 | Kayte: type "cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" to see the file without editing it |
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| 19:34.22 | woodland | there was a pole on linuxquestions.org, firefox was voted as the best browser , better than mozilla |
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| 19:34.28 | moshii | phanter: ah, I have to use really bad EDA suites that rely on weird floppy based protection |
| 19:34.38 | Gnea | woodland: a pole or a poll? |
| 19:34.42 | concept10 | phanter, I want a content manager that will allow people to post and manage pictures, so they come to the site and post naked pictures for others to view |
| 19:34.44 | Kayte | bash: cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4: No such file or directory |
| 19:34.46 | nvz | heh |
| 19:34.51 | moshii | woodland: shame firefox takes years to load |
| 19:34.52 | phanter | moshii, aaah let's not discuss the damn win32 crap anymore. it makes me feel bad |
| 19:34.52 | Gnea | :) |
| 19:35.01 | nvz | Gnea: I was about to comment on that too |
| 19:35.03 | woodland | poll |
| 19:35.07 | pink1 | Kayte: are you root? |
| 19:35.10 | Gnea | Kayte: hrm... you installed sarge, right? |
| 19:35.14 | green_earz | c01100011: start from the command line and look at its errors. you will see that its asking for a lib package . sorry forgot which one |
| 19:35.15 | Kayte | yep |
| 19:35.20 | Kayte | sarge? |
| 19:35.24 | Kayte | *feels stupid* |
| 19:35.24 | phanter | concept10, hey, get alive. There are to many of those sites already. You/we need to find something new! |
| 19:35.27 | Gnea | Kayte: the latest stable 3.1 |
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| 19:35.34 | Kayte | i guess so |
| 19:35.35 | c01100011 | green_earz - nope just segment faults |
| 19:35.36 | moshii | Kayte: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:35.37 | Kayte | i just went to debian.org |
| 19:35.39 | concept10 | phanter, get alive? |
| 19:35.43 | Kayte | got the latest installation |
| 19:35.44 | Gnea | Kayte: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:35.58 | julien | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.13 | Kayte | hold on |
| 19:36.13 | concept10 | phanter, the difference is that those sites cost |
| 19:36.14 | julien | oups :) |
| 19:36.27 | Kayte | enter video cards |
| 19:36.31 | Kayte | bus identifier |
| 19:36.31 | Kayte | :| |
| 19:36.35 | phanter | concept10, you look at the wrong places (if my gf would read this.... no good, no good) |
| 19:36.38 | Gnea | what? |
| 19:36.51 | moshii | Kayte: do you know what hardware is in your machine .. hint type: lspci |
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| 19:37.00 | julien | damn, KDE is almost broken in sid, no more menu ;) |
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| 19:37.13 | moshii | Kayte: or lspci | more ,if you have lots of hardware |
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| 19:37.26 | phogg | julien: that's why they call it unstable |
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| 19:37.42 | phanter | concept10, if you need a second sever look for me here somewhere. I have some space left on mine as well :) |
| 19:37.43 | concept10 | phanter, does she want to post pictures? |
| 19:37.54 | phanter | concept10, hmm... tel me think... no |
| 19:37.57 | concept10 | phanter, j/k |
| 19:38.00 | concept10 | :) |
| 19:38.11 | Gnea | Kayte: they're really throwing you for a loop - just cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:38.17 | phanter | concept10, ow and let me think again... I would not like it to find her pics on the inet |
| 19:38.21 | woodland | i am installing firefox, can i remove konqueror |
| 19:38.25 | concept10 | phanter, you running sarge? |
| 19:38.34 | moshii | woodland: if you don't use kde |
| 19:38.35 | phanter | concept10, of course what else? |
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| 19:38.51 | woodland | konqueror is just a browser, right ? |
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| 19:38.58 | nvz | woodland: if you don't use kde and only use konqueror for a web browser |
| 19:39.02 | nvz | woodland: no |
| 19:39.05 | moshii | woodland: kde uses it for a lot more |
| 19:39.05 | K9-Cop | I installed the adobe plugin (nppdf.so) to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. Konqueror/KDE found it, but Firefox has not. Any ideas? |
| 19:39.07 | pink1 | woodland - be careful about that - I tried and lost a lot of useful KDE stuff |
| 19:39.12 | fatfred | woodland: Its a filemanager too |
| 19:39.20 | woodland | ok |
| 19:39.32 | moshii | woodland: why use firefox if you have konq? |
| 19:39.35 | nvz | pink1: you used the word useful incorrectly |
| 19:39.37 | green_earz | woodland: file brower as well |
| 19:39.39 | crn__ | how do i turn off X server auth? |
| 19:39.48 | woodland | so konqueror is like explorer in windows, right ? |
| 19:39.55 | Kayte | 3.1 |
| 19:39.59 | concept10 | phanter, you may think the idea its old, but I know that, I just want to replace a aging site with something new allow people to post pictures and stream video for free, the adverts could pay for it. |
| 19:40.01 | nvz | pink1: you see the thesaurus says that Useful and KDE are antonyms |
| 19:40.09 | green_earz | woodland: yes |
| 19:40.09 | fatfred | woodland: Similar but way more sophisticated |
| 19:40.18 | pink1 | woodland - you can make gaim default to use firefox, but I haven;t worked out a way to get thunderbird to dot he same |
| 19:40.19 | nvz | you generally dont use them in the same sentance without the word "not" |
| 19:40.31 | woodland | ok, brb |
| 19:40.34 | moshii | Kayte: seriously, just find out what hardware you have and use the debian configuration tool |
| 19:40.43 | Kayte | i got the hardware |
| 19:40.47 | Kayte | and the config tool |
| 19:40.49 | deadcat | whats a good web analyzer? i heard some bad things about webalizer. |
| 19:40.53 | Kayte | argh |
| 19:41.09 | moshii | Kayte: so you know what chipset your graphics card is using? |
| 19:41.22 | pink1 | deadcat - what's wrong with webalizer? |
| 19:41.39 | deadcat | pink1: i dont know.. what about visitors and awstats? |
| 19:41.58 | Kayte | 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82810 GMCH [Graphics Memory Controller Hub] (rev 03) |
| 19:41.58 | Kayte | 0000:00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82810 CGC |
| 19:41.58 | Kayte | [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 03) |
| 19:41.59 | nvz | deadcat: this is a person who uses Useful and KDE in the same sentance. |
| 19:42.02 | pink1 | seems to work fine for me - but I suppose it depends on how detailed you want stuff |
| 19:42.08 | deadcat | oh |
| 19:42.11 | Kayte | 82810 |
| 19:42.11 | deadcat | let me try both then |
| 19:42.18 | deadcat | nvz: hahah. |
| 19:42.28 | moshii | Kayte: ok run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select the i810 driver |
| 19:42.35 | Kayte | i have |
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| 19:43.00 | moshii | Kayte: things like the bus id you can skip by just pressing return.. |
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| 19:43.18 | Kayte | memory too? |
| 19:43.25 | moshii | Kayte: yeah |
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| 19:43.54 | moshii | Kayte: although with a lot of intel shared memory chipsets you can set that, the defaults are fine though |
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| 19:44.23 | rAz__ | hello , jve got problm concern mudle probing here is the dmesg result vesafb: probe of vesafb0 failed with error -6 | VIA 82xx Audio: probe of 0000:00:07.5 failed with error -12 anyone have an idea ? |
| 19:44.30 | Kayte | should i enter the name of my monitor |
| 19:44.34 | Kayte | or is that of no concern? |
| 19:44.37 | rAz__ | mudle<>module |
| 19:44.49 | moshii | Kayte: you don't really need that |
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| 19:44.50 | nvz | my ferose house cat is hunting a small incect at the front window |
| 19:45.10 | Kayte | simple |
| 19:45.11 | Kayte | medium |
| 19:45.14 | Kayte | advanced? |
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| 19:45.18 | moshii | Kayte: simple for now |
| 19:45.23 | nvz | !enter |
| 19:45.23 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 19:45.54 | Kayte | review the video modes |
| 19:46.02 | Kayte | you would like x server to use? |
| 19:46.19 | phanter | concept10, if you work out the plan and you need another server. look for phanter here or in #ubuntu (i am there because of my laptop)... |
| 19:46.25 | moshii | Kayte: if you're running Sarge .. you want xfree |
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| 19:46.48 | phanter | concept10, now I think i am gonna give my gf some attention. makes me feel better :-) |
| 19:46.54 | nvz | I don't figure Kayte masturbates, cause (s)he can't seem to do anything without someones help |
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| 19:47.13 | nvz | debconf scripts are WIDHE compliant. that is When In Doubt Hit Enter |
| 19:47.17 | Kayte | "anything" |
| 19:47.18 | Kayte | sure. |
| 19:47.20 | Kayte | Slut. |
| 19:47.35 | nvz | I don't figure you got the memo about the enter key |
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| 19:47.59 | Gnea | nvz: y'know, she just installed this 2 hours ago |
| 19:48.02 | Kayte | I don't really figure you have a fucking clue, if you're not going to be helpful, just stfu. |
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| 19:48.17 | moshii | the debian installer should ask "are you stupid", and install mandrake instead if yes |
| 19:48.17 | abrotman | !phillysmite nvz |
| 19:48.17 | phogg | Kayte: being impolite isa great way not to get help |
| 19:48.19 | abrotman | :) |
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| 19:48.45 | nvz | no I haven't a clue. I've only been here nearly half a decade, and I'm only like one of the top 20 most active out of more thn 40,000 users every year |
| 19:48.46 | Kayte | oh, and being rude to complete strangers is polite is it? |
| 19:48.48 | abrotman | i had eggs for lunch today |
| 19:48.52 | Kayte | well, that's just sad. |
| 19:48.55 | abrotman | nvz: top 20? |
| 19:49.03 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I was 13 last year |
| 19:49.03 | abrotman | that's sad how? |
| 19:49.11 | abrotman | nvz: oh come on .. i've got you whipped :) |
| 19:49.14 | nvz | abrotman: out of 40,695 or so |
| 19:49.20 | Gnea | Kayte: ok look, what video card and monitor do you have? |
| 19:49.25 | dafen | fb_radeon_old & fb_radeon, which one is suitable for frame buffer on my thinkpad t42? |
| 19:49.34 | abrotman | i wonder if they will release a 3.1r1 netinst ... |
| 19:49.38 | phogg | Kayte: people helping you are under no special obligation to be nice |
| 19:49.39 | moshii | Gnea: I think she/he has it sorted .. |
| 19:49.46 | dafen | I remembered I used to get blank screen if enabling framebuffer by fb_radeon(the old one) |
| 19:49.52 | Gnea | moshii: i think you're wrong. |
| 19:50.19 | moshii | Gnea: well she/he should have just passed the card/monitor parts of the debconf script anyhow |
| 19:50.29 | Gnea | phogg: i already told her how it works here. and you're just continuing. |
| 19:50.34 | Kayte | nvz, wasn't helping in the slightest, why are you even getting involved? |
| 19:50.34 | phogg | Gnea: damn right he's wrong. It should install Ubuntu. Keep it in the family, as it were. |
| 19:50.39 | nvz | Kayte: we consider handholing help in a high-volume chat channel with the enter key being pressed after every word rude.. so ponder that. I've tried hinting at it.. now I am out right saying it. |
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| 19:51.08 | warhead | hello |
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| 19:51.27 | Gnea | ENOUGH |
| 19:51.33 | abrotman | of what? |
| 19:51.35 | Kayte | I'll just put it down to you being a pathetic, sad loser that's spent more than a decade sitting at a computer, and has a lot of sexual tension. |
| 19:51.45 | warhead | I have litle problem with usb wireless key, I try all from http://www.ubermeister.net/~reid/projects/zd1201/ but not work |
| 19:51.46 | Gnea | rofl |
| 19:51.47 | abrotman | Kayte: please stop insulting people |
| 19:51.48 | emRick | what is the best command-line program for recording off my soundcard? |
| 19:51.51 | nvz | heh :) |
| 19:51.58 | nvz | this person knows how to get help |
| 19:51.59 | Gnea | i like her already :) |
| 19:52.00 | gravity | Kayte: Calm down please |
| 19:52.05 | Kayte | I am calm. |
| 19:52.06 | bucky | uk girls ! |
| 19:52.13 | moshii | emRick: hmm I use this gramofile thing |
| 19:52.14 | cadu | emRick: cat :) |
| 19:52.15 | gravity | Kayte: Then please stop insulting people |
| 19:52.17 | cahoot | emRick: best? ecasound is versatile |
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| 19:52.20 | gravity | That goes for everyone |
| 19:52.25 | abrotman | emRick: apt-cache search sound record ? |
| 19:52.27 | Kayte | I don't appreciate people telling me I don't know how to mastrubate. Secondly, it's not people, it's nvz. |
| 19:52.31 | phogg | emRick: sox |
| 19:52.31 | Gnea | gravity: in case you hadn't noticed, she just stopped doing that. stop feeding the fire. |
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| 19:52.32 | moshii | emRick: it's meant for vinyl so does track spliting and cleaning |
| 19:52.36 | warhead | I download new firmware for usb wireless key (ZyDAS zd1201) http://linux-lc100020.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:52.36 | cadu | aahahahah |
| 19:52.37 | cahoot | emRick: arecord i simple (presumes alsa) |
| 19:52.42 | cadu | stop feeding the trolls |
| 19:52.43 | nvz | yeah I have to admit I asked for that one |
| 19:52.49 | cadu | stop feeding the trolls |
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| 19:52.54 | Gnea | Kayte: best not to take it too seriously - now, is X working or not? |
| 19:53.00 | Kayte | yep |
| 19:53.05 | Gnea | cool |
| 19:53.06 | phogg | Kayte: it'll be people in a minute. You're not making many friends. |
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| 19:53.08 | warhead | but how to load firmware in memory when I load module of kernel? |
| 19:53.17 | bucky | it's an intelligence test... if you can't figure out how to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 you shouldn't use debian |
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| 19:53.23 | Gnea | phogg: that's your problem. |
| 19:53.32 | nvz | but my point is there are 700 people here and this form of communication should be taken elsewhere its disturbng the flow |
| 19:53.34 | Kayte | Thank you for your help. |
| 19:53.42 | stew | warhead: put it in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, and you driver should take care of loading it |
| 19:53.48 | emRick | moshii + abrotman + phogg + cahoot: thanks for the tips |
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| 19:53.57 | Gnea | Kayte: you're welcome. |
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| 19:54.18 | abrotman | Gnea: my debian accidentally installed suse! |
| 19:54.19 | moshii | Gnea: didn't you suggest editing the config file by hand? you're the one that needs help |
| 19:54.22 | UFO | LUFS is great |
| 19:54.30 | warhead | stew: Ok, I work that......but hotplug do nohting.....when I plug usb key |
| 19:54.33 | Kayte | Thank you moshii too |
| 19:54.52 | nvz | I am going away now to laugh at myself and locate some people I've been playing phone tag with for over a week now |
| 19:54.54 | emRick | moshii: I'm recording audiotapes ... any opinion on whether gramofile works well with audiotapes? |
| 19:54.54 | moshii | oh what a mess that would have been |
| 19:54.56 | woodland | i have a slight problem with audio, here. i have plugged in my headphone, but whenever i open some new app, sound comes from both headphone and laptop, what's happening |
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| 19:55.21 | Gnea | moshii: if you weren't so pretentious perhaps we wouldn't have these problems. |
| 19:55.26 | phogg | Gnea: My problems is that I find people without thick skin annoying. I can't say I'm trying to improve myself in that area, |
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| 19:55.35 | moshii | emRick: mm it will split the tracks into seperate wav's for you, the pop/click filters might be useful too? |
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| 19:56.02 | stew | warhead: do you have the driver loaded? do you have hotplug installed and started? |
| 19:56.05 | Gnea | phogg: i find them annoying too, but you either help or hurt, and the more you hurt, the more thick skin that you erode |
| 19:56.08 | green_earz | Kayte: by the way there a #debian-women channel |
| 19:56.12 | emRick | moshii: sounds like should be good ... ok, will have a try and find out |
| 19:56.18 | Kayte | Why attempt to cause trouble? |
| 19:56.22 | moshii | Gnea: eh? pretentios? you realise there's a right way to do things, and a really stupid way don't you? |
| 19:56.40 | phogg | Gnea: my philosophy is that if you can't be helpful the least you can do is be unpleasant. |
| 19:56.42 | Gnea | moshii: i'm done with you. |
| 19:56.45 | woodland | i have a slight problem with audio, here. i have plugged in my headphone, but whenever i open some new app, sound comes from both headphone and laptop, what's happening |
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| 19:57.00 | cadu | irc logs could be used for steganography , eheheh :) |
| 19:57.24 | woodland | can anybody answer my question here please |
| 19:57.26 | Gnea | green_earz: sexist remarks such as yours will only get you banned. |
| 19:57.34 | freecraft | i have problems with running MIDI files, /dev/sequencer is not existing, help? |
| 19:57.38 | tarzeau | The altar is stained with human blood. |
| 19:57.40 | moshii | Gnea: I don't want any of what you're on.. |
| 19:57.43 | Gnea | green_earz: this isn't #debian-men, after all |
| 19:57.46 | warhead | stew: Yes, I use kernel 2.6.12 with driver zd1201 and I load driver when I boot system,I install firmware before from http://linux-lc100020.sourceforge.net/ , and I have hotplug instaled |
| 19:57.48 | cadu | tahahahaha |
| 19:57.49 | tarzeau | cadu: YOU WILL DIE! CANNIBALIST! |
| 19:57.50 | cahoot | woodland: tried using the mixer? |
| 19:57.54 | Gnea | moshii: good, because it would probably kill you. |
| 19:57.55 | freecraft | i have tried with installing some sound libs, but I have no experience with it so it didn't worked |
| 19:57.58 | cadu | tarzeau:oh yeah ? |
| 19:58.01 | woodland | i have a slight problem with audio, here. i have plugged in my headphone, but whenever i open some new app, sound comes from both headphone and laptop, what's happening |
| 19:58.01 | green_earz | Gnea: its not a sexist remark its infomation |
| 19:58.03 | cadu | this means i've eaten you ? |
| 19:58.04 | cadu | :_) |
| 19:58.19 | tarzeau | sacrifying me to the gods |
| 19:58.31 | woodland | hi cahoot |
| 19:58.33 | abrotman | wow .. apparently sunday is catching ... |
| 19:58.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: heh |
| 19:58.39 | moshii | woodland: you should have master and headphone controls if you're using alsa? |
| 19:58.44 | tarzeau | nvz: it's over soon |
| 19:58.46 | warhead | stew: when I reboot PC, and plug usb wireless key I check iwconfig I have "no wireless extensions." |
| 19:58.50 | nvz | tarzeau: yep |
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| 19:59.00 | moshii | woodland: if the laptop doesn't disable the speakers you could turn master down instead |
| 19:59.11 | woodland | moshii, i will try |
| 19:59.14 | nvz | abrotman: its all my fault I brought my bad-weekend vibe |
| 19:59.20 | InKSleep | hi i've just ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and for some reason it's not writing to my XF86Config-4 file, any ideas? I'm running unstable |
| 19:59.28 | nvz | for the first time in my life I can't wait for monday |
| 19:59.30 | cadu | InKSleep: have you modified it by hand ? |
| 19:59.35 | moshii | InKSleep: did you edit the config file by hand |
| 19:59.37 | InKSleep | cadu: nope :) |
| 19:59.41 | Gnea | green_earz: you implied that she should go to #debian-women because there are too many gays in this channel, or that women don't know what they're talking about, which i disagree with that. |
| 19:59.41 | cadu | InKSleep: hmmm |
| 19:59.42 | InKSleep | no not touched it |
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| 19:59.46 | abrotman | nvz: i was at a bachelor party :) |
| 19:59.47 | moshii | InKSleep: using xorg? |
| 19:59.59 | InKSleep | moshii: no idea what that is :) |
| 20:00.03 | cadu | Gnea: there are too many gays in this channel ? |
| 20:00.10 | abrotman | !lart green_earz |
| 20:00.14 | Gnea | cadu: i don't know, are there? :) |
| 20:00.15 | cadu | o_O i thought 95,5% of the geeks were man :) |
| 20:00.29 | cadu | s/man/real men/ |
| 20:00.30 | cadu | ahahaha |
| 20:00.32 | nvz | abrotman: yeah well I am sitting at home alone enjoying the silence and ability to work quietly on the laptop in the living room with little to no disturbance |
| 20:00.32 | green_earz | Gnea: read what is said "there is" " NOT "go to" |
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| 20:00.51 | abrotman | nvz: what's wrong with laptop |
| 20:00.58 | Gnea | green_earz: the implication was obvious |
| 20:01.08 | Gnea | green_earz: words are meant to be interpretted |
| 20:01.16 | InKSleep | when i run dpkg-reconfigure it seems to know the options i used last time, is it reading/saving the config to another location or are the values i've inputed stored seperately for something configured with dpkg? |
| 20:01.30 | green_earz | Gnea: as you it |
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| 20:01.48 | moshii | InKSleep: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:01.49 | cadu | jeez |
| 20:01.51 | green_earz | Gnea: sorry as you see it |
| 20:01.52 | moshii | InKSleep: maybe |
| 20:02.01 | Gnea | green_earz: don't be. |
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| 20:02.10 | InKSleep | gonna give it a go now thanks moshii |
| 20:02.16 | InKSleep | i'll have a read about xorg too |
| 20:02.20 | InKSleep | which isn't installed atm |
| 20:02.22 | warhead | stew: Please help.........My prloblem is how to tell hotplug to load firmwire for my zd1201 ? |
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| 20:02.34 | Kayte | firmware sucks. |
| 20:02.37 | ke6isf | InKSleep: Near as I can tell, it just reads from the current config file. |
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| 20:02.50 | InKSleep | hmm, that's interesting since it's 0 size! |
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| 20:02.59 | Gnea | Kayte: it can |
| 20:03.04 | InKSleep | i've done a locate too and can't find any other XF86Config |
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| 20:03.16 | ke6isf | InKSleep: Well, then, first you need to *install* xfree (or xorg, if you are on Sid)... |
| 20:03.18 | tarzeau | if an orphaned package is no more at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=wnpp but still in oldstable |
| 20:03.39 | tarzeau | i just file a new bug (ita) and close it with the new upload? |
| 20:03.40 | InKSleep | installing xorg now :) |
| 20:03.47 | InKSleep | it removed xserver-xfree86 for some reason |
| 20:03.53 | gravity | As it should |
| 20:03.56 | InKSleep | great |
| 20:04.15 | ke6isf | InKSleep: That's expected. It's a conflict - you can't feasibly have two X servers on your system, lest you form a black hole or something. |
| 20:04.25 | nvz | abrotman: other than the fact its running windows xp, nothing |
| 20:04.30 | kenboo | what's the name of wireless lan package? it used to be linux-wlan-ng but it seems obsolete |
| 20:04.38 | nvz | abrotman: but then that's why I am using putty |
| 20:04.38 | jdhutchin1 | kenboo, it depends what drivers you want to use |
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| 20:04.45 | ke6isf | InKSleep: If you have them both running on the same machine at the same time, it becomes legal for demons to fly out of your nose. |
| 20:04.47 | gravity | Not really true, but there's no point in having both xorg and xfree86 on the same system |
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| 20:04.58 | kenboo | jdhutchin1, intersil prism is what i need |
| 20:04.59 | InKSleep | ke6isf: there was no xorg on previously, just xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:05.07 | jdhutchin1 | kenboo, then you want various hostap stuff |
| 20:05.18 | stew | warhead: sorry i dunno; with all of the devices i use that require firmware, the driver loads it automatically |
| 20:05.20 | tarzeau | i can't retitle an archived bug? |
| 20:05.25 | tarzeau | i HATE archived bugs |
| 20:05.34 | abrotman | nvz: oh ok |
| 20:05.48 | tarzeau | it only was orphaned 200 days |
| 20:05.49 | gravity | It'd be nice to be able to un-archive a bug |
| 20:05.51 | ke6isf | gravity, Ah, indeed. |
| 20:05.54 | tarzeau | gravity: yes |
| 20:05.54 | kenboo | uh hostap. ok |
| 20:06.13 | gravity | Now's the time. Debbugs is gettin' lovin'. Get your hacks in now! |
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| 20:06.24 | abrotman | gravity: can you append a bug after it's been archived? |
| 20:06.45 | gravity | abrotman: I don't think so |
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| 20:07.10 | abrotman | gravity: that also might be useful :) |
| 20:07.17 | gravity | Sure |
| 20:07.21 | tarzeau | so i create a new bug? |
| 20:07.24 | InKSleep | that seems to have done the trick thanks alot all :) |
| 20:07.27 | warhead | stew: ok. If You know some users with usb wireless key with chipset by ZyDAS please send me message... |
| 20:07.29 | bucky | kenboo, wireless-tools |
| 20:07.46 | stew | warhead: try #wireless and google |
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| 20:09.16 | warhead | stew: ok, tnx. |
| 20:09.20 | SpinX | mysql-devel, mysql-dev, libmysql-devel i can't find these on debian |
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| 20:09.54 | ke6isf | SpinX: What version of Debian? |
| 20:10.04 | SpinX | sarge 3.1 |
| 20:10.27 | ke6isf | SpinX: Searching. |
| 20:10.29 | moshii | I have a package that depends twice on scim .. once for the version currently in debian, and once again for an old version, is there any way to force it into installing? |
| 20:10.40 | tarzeau | moshii: fix the depends |
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| 20:10.46 | SpinX | i found libmysqlclient14-dev I think, It might be what i need.. i'm not sure tho. |
| 20:10.55 | nvz | moshii: if a package depends on something twice like that you need to file a bug I would say |
| 20:10.57 | tarzeau | moshii: that'll require getting the source, fixing the stuff, and rebuilding it |
| 20:11.01 | ke6isf | SpinX: Do 'apt-cache search mysql | grep dev' and look at that list. |
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| 20:11.17 | SpinX | security.debian.org is going so slow for me. |
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| 20:11.43 | nvz | FunnyLookinHat: nice nick. |
| 20:12.00 | moshii | nvz: can't really file a bug, it's third party and I don't know enough Japanese to explain it to the guy that made the package :/ |
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| 20:12.29 | tarzeau | moshii: can you get the source package? |
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| 20:12.40 | nvz | moshii: heh |
| 20:12.58 | moshii | tarzeau: I can but I've just found another source for packages |
| 20:13.02 | nvz | damn windows making noises at me |
| 20:13.07 | nvz | I dont know what they mean |
| 20:13.09 | moshii | anynow know how http://apt.debian.org.tw/ is? |
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| 20:13.16 | moshii | who not how ;) |
| 20:13.17 | somePriest | Hi. When I boot Linux I'm dropped into a command prompt, I can log in, after which typing no longer sends anything to command prompt. I use a KVM and I can use scroll lock to go to this machine, where I can type fine, but again when I return when I type anything it does not appear at the prompt. Anyone seen this? |
| 20:13.18 | Kayte | nvz : male or female? |
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| 20:14.08 | emurz | Does anyone here use the superkaramba ? |
| 20:14.11 | SpinX | apt-get is failing. hosts down for libmysqlclient14-dev.. anyway to add another host for that? |
| 20:14.14 | tarzeau | !polls |
| 20:14.15 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 20:14.27 | ke6isf | SpinX: Yeah, apt-setup. |
| 20:14.32 | nvz | Kayte: I am 22, I am male, I am from Pennsylvania. I am sorry I got ignorant before addressing the real issue. If you must know |
| 20:14.33 | SpinX | i just found that, ha. |
| 20:14.43 | Kayte | Explains it |
| 20:14.54 | Kayte | I don't know why small children are allowed anywhere near a computer. |
| 20:14.59 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:15.22 | SpinX | hmm.. nones working, i dont think it would be my firewall. |
| 20:15.23 | emurz | erm |
| 20:15.27 | ke6isf | !asl |
| 20:15.27 | dpkg | ke6isf, American Sign Language isn't very useful on Internet Relay Chat Old enough, Yes please, My place. above sea level |
| 20:15.33 | moshii | if 22 is young .. that's it no more help for you |
| 20:15.52 | Kayte | he said he'd been sitting at his computer, more than a decade or so |
| 20:16.12 | SpinX | i use shorewall. . possible its my firewall? |
| 20:16.13 | nvz | I said I have been logged in here for about half a decade get your facts straight |
| 20:16.15 | emurz | =/ |
| 20:16.19 | rAz__ | hi, what's the correct emu10k1 module name please ? i only have snd-emu10k1-synth of avalaible is it snd-emu10k1 ? |
| 20:16.19 | moshii | Kayte: ah, thinking to far ahead again, sorry |
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| 20:16.32 | nvz | its actually only been about 4 years |
| 20:16.33 | jcuk | yehh finally got debian installed with no problems :) |
| 20:16.39 | Kayte | Gathered. |
| 20:16.41 | ke6isf | SpinX: Shorewall is a front end to firewall of sorts. |
| 20:16.49 | ke6isf | SpinX: Or rather, iptables/ipchains. |
| 20:16.51 | SpinX | hrmmm. |
| 20:17.00 | nvz | I've gone through probably 20 computers in that time |
| 20:17.00 | Kayte | Reckon I've probably only been properly using a computer the past 2/3 years |
| 20:17.02 | ke6isf | !beer jcuk |
| 20:17.15 | fatfred | the syntax for ipchains/iptables is ugly :/ |
| 20:17.16 | nvz | and been in more than 20 states |
| 20:17.20 | jcuk | heh :) |
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| 20:17.32 | tarzeau | fatfred: it doesn't do ipchains, does it? |
| 20:17.32 | Gnea | Kayte: yeah, it helps to get up and get some excercise now and then :) |
| 20:17.32 | SpinX | whats a host in apt you recommend? |
| 20:17.37 | bucky | and he's still a virgin |
| 20:17.40 | Kayte | lol |
| 20:17.43 | nvz | heh |
| 20:17.47 | tarzeau | SpinX: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 20:17.50 | Kayte | why kids are so fat these days, no offense to any fat people intended |
| 20:17.52 | Kayte | offence? |
| 20:17.53 | ke6isf | SpinX: Just pick one near you. If it doesn't work, try again. |
| 20:17.57 | nvz | alright now you have no reason to be cracking on me |
| 20:17.57 | jcuk | Kayte: what do you mean 'properly' using a computer? |
| 20:18.02 | SpinX | anal.gov worked. |
| 20:18.03 | SpinX | err anl* |
| 20:18.03 | Kayte | erm |
| 20:18.07 | tarzeau | Kayte: in what country? |
| 20:18.07 | Kayte | at home |
| 20:18.10 | bucky | Kayte, are you the Nanny? |
| 20:18.13 | moshii | Kayte: because of the world your generation created? |
| 20:18.15 | rAz__ | i meet problem with the sound someone could tryed to help me please ? |
| 20:18.19 | abrotman | Kayte: stop trolling nvz |
| 20:18.26 | fatfred | tarzeau: I dunno-its heresy but I normally use some flavour of BSD for firewalls..PF is nice:) |
| 20:18.27 | tarzeau | rAz__: /msg dpkg about ask |
| 20:18.29 | Kayte | know what i mean, at school, i used to just use it for school work |
| 20:18.31 | jcuk | Right now, im going to try learning more on Linux and networking |
| 20:18.41 | nvz | abrotman: hey I asked for that. bucky on the other hand is out of line :P |
| 20:18.42 | warhead | stew: In #wireless all nick is BOT'S, damn |
| 20:18.42 | Kayte | but now i use it more regularly than before |
| 20:18.43 | ke6isf | rAz__: We need symptoms. |
| 20:18.53 | moshii | jcuk: invest in a good book. :) |
| 20:18.55 | tarzeau | fatfred: i only need NAT, but if i had more ip addresses i could even stop using NAT |
| 20:18.56 | Kayte | my generation |
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| 20:18.58 | abrotman | nvz: would an IC make you feel better? |
| 20:18.59 | Kayte | how old do you think i am? |
| 20:19.01 | jcuk | Kayte, when i got my computer, it was for schoolwork and i used it for games and online surfing. |
| 20:19.02 | rAz__ | i already put symptoms i can repeat |
| 20:19.17 | jcuk | Now i use it for almost everything |
| 20:19.19 | nvz | abrotman: yeah maybe but I am not going to the bar.. they charge too much |
| 20:19.21 | Kayte | aye |
| 20:19.23 | tarzeau | fatfred: have you tried #gnu-kbsd and debian gnu/kfreebsd? |
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| 20:19.25 | gapi | alan_gapi@hotmail.com |
| 20:19.27 | fatfred | tarzeau: IIRC there was some web based ruleset generator |
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| 20:19.28 | jcuk | Kayte: id say, 18? |
| 20:19.37 | nvz | abrotman: I only have like $0.30 aside from credit anyhow |
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| 20:19.39 | Kayte | Maybe that's written somewhere |
| 20:19.42 | deadcat | awstats anyone? Error: Failed to open '/usr/local/awstats/wwwroot/cgi-bin/awstats.model.conf' for read. |
| 20:19.44 | abrotman | nvz: you need to get a job :) |
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| 20:19.53 | fatfred | tarzeau: Not really, they seem targeted at a none existant problem |
| 20:19.55 | abrotman | deadcat: is it there? |
| 20:19.56 | Kayte | School thing that gave it away :p |
| 20:19.57 | tarzeau | fatfred: i've setup shorewall once too, and it was nice (if you know raptor proxy firewall?) but now for just nat, i really use iptables |
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| 20:20.04 | jcuk | Kayte : am i right? |
| 20:20.04 | nvz | abrotman: its sunday. why the hell do you think I cant wait for monday |
| 20:20.07 | ke6isf | rAz__: All I've seen is that you were having problems, and lastlog turns up a blank screen, so yeah, a repeat couldn't hurt. |
| 20:20.09 | SpinX | hm k i did apt-setup got new apt sources..still tries to connect to security.debian.org, i guess it needs to.. but bleh. |
| 20:20.13 | Kayte | yep |
| 20:20.17 | tarzeau | fatfred: oh having freebsd as kernel instead of linux gives you some advantages |
| 20:20.18 | jcuk | what a guess :D |
| 20:20.21 | Kayte | 1987 |
| 20:20.21 | abrotman | nvz: because ... you don't like church? |
| 20:20.29 | jcuk | Kayte: how old do you think i am? |
| 20:20.32 | Kayte | Excellent guess |
| 20:20.37 | nvz | abrotman: the church closed. nobody ever showed up |
| 20:20.38 | tarzeau | fatfred: far performing/scaling filesystem and quite a bit better nfs |
| 20:20.38 | rAz__ | i have a emu10k1 sound card type i putted device_driver/sound/soundcard_support(*)/alsa/pci_devices/emu10k1(M) in the kernel configuration but i dont found the module in modconf or when i try to load with insmod |
| 20:20.41 | fatfred | tarzeau: But then you may as well use ports I guess |
| 20:20.43 | abrotman | nvz: duh |
| 20:20.48 | Kayte | er |
| 20:20.50 | tarzeau | fatfred: no, i hate cvs and ports ;) |
| 20:20.51 | Kayte | i really have no idea |
| 20:20.52 | Kayte | :p |
| 20:20.55 | jcuk | 16 :P |
| 20:21.09 | jcuk | got the internet when i was 14. |
| 20:21.11 | tarzeau | fatfred: i've got some really old computers where you don't want to build software |
| 20:21.14 | fatfred | tarzeau: Ahh-well ports are okay-just compiling is a bit..gentooish:P |
| 20:21.17 | moshii | tarzeau: I use pkgsrc on a 50mhz sparc, that's fun |
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| 20:21.23 | Kayte | aww |
| 20:21.26 | tarzeau | moshii: sparc classic? |
| 20:21.27 | Kayte | you're a baby! |
| 20:21.37 | ke6isf | !tell rAz__ -about audio |
| 20:21.39 | jcuk | Learned everything i know in 2 years with no help from those stupid computing teachers at school |
| 20:21.40 | tarzeau | moshii: i've got one too, but i've only compiled once a kernel on it (took me 5 hours) |
| 20:21.41 | hooded_shadow | has anyone been having trouble with the new gutenprint drivers? |
| 20:21.42 | nvz | abrotman: its directly across the street too. they used to ring them damn bells every sunday morning. I say good riddens god can live here if (s)he wants. as long as he doesnt ring any bells |
| 20:21.46 | moshii | tarzeau: SuperSparc II I think, sparcstation 20 |
| 20:21.58 | Kayte | Training to be an acocuntant |
| 20:21.59 | abrotman | riddance? |
| 20:22.01 | Kayte | so a computer's handy |
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| 20:22.03 | jcuk | Kayte : lol, im 17 next month and my DOB is 1988 :P |
| 20:22.11 | moshii | tarzeau: perl took about 3 days heh |
| 20:22.12 | filip | what should i do to have an ftp-server? which program ? |
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| 20:22.16 | abrotman | ok .. #dating is a bit farther up the alphabet |
| 20:22.21 | fatfred | tarzeau: Although OpenBSD uses ports just to produce the packages |
| 20:22.22 | abrotman | why bother... |
| 20:22.24 | rAz__ | i did it |
| 20:22.25 | ke6isf | jcuk: I've got you beat then. 31, on the 'net since I was 20 - via UUCP. |
| 20:22.27 | abrotman | it's sunday .. carry on |
| 20:22.37 | tarzeau | moshii: you know, your ss20 could maybe run OPENSTEP? |
| 20:22.40 | Kayte | april 14, aries |
| 20:22.42 | jcuk | ke6isf : what do you do for a living? |
| 20:22.48 | ke6isf | jcuk: I work for FedEx. |
| 20:22.50 | tarzeau | moshii: want the isos? |
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| 20:23.09 | jcuk | deliveries or actaully in the IT section? |
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| 20:23.16 | nvz | I've been online so long I can't fucking remember. there were still many active bbs and direct connection chat with telnet was still the most popular form of communication when I first got online |
| 20:23.17 | ke6isf | jcuk: Neither. At a counter. |
| 20:23.20 | moshii | tarzeau: hasn't got a monitor at the moment, actually I can't remember where it's running |
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| 20:23.26 | ke6isf | jcuk: I don't do IT for a living because I'd hate myself. =^^= |
| 20:23.30 | rAz__ | i know my sound card and the driver it use it is a audigy with snd-emu10k1 i dont thing you have really understood the problm |
| 20:23.32 | moshii | tarzeau: I only know it's here because it's making noise |
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| 20:23.36 | Kayte | how long does it take to transfer funds from your paypal account into your bank account? |
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| 20:23.40 | tarzeau | moshii: it's really cool, tell me if you want the isos: www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
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| 20:23.49 | ke6isf | Kayte: Per their webpage, 3-4 business days. |
| 20:23.56 | Kayte | that's shit. |
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| 20:24.07 | nvz | Kayte: Too long I am sure. its insane how long money transfers take in this age. |
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| 20:24.13 | moshii | tarzeau: hmm, got anything other than iso? no cdrom |
| 20:24.15 | rAz__ | snd-emu10k1 is in the kernel as M(odule) but if i dont found this module |
| 20:24.15 | ke6isf | Kayte: It uses the ACH system - any time you transfer money using that system, it takes 3-4 buisiness days. |
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| 20:24.20 | moshii | tarzeau: no floppy either |
| 20:24.22 | ke6isf | Kayte: If you don't like it, yell at the federal reserve. |
| 20:24.27 | jcuk | ke6isf : heh, we were scraping the edge of networking types in information systems class the other day, at the highest level in high school. and i dumbfounded my teacher before he got a word out lol |
| 20:24.40 | tarzeau | moshii: nope floppy is the crap for ibm pc |
| 20:24.42 | Kayte | it's so stupid |
| 20:24.44 | jcuk | cant wait for university |
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| 20:24.51 | tarzeau | moshii: maybe netboot, but i've never done that with OPENSTEP |
| 20:24.54 | Kayte | paypal let me open an account with my abbey bank account |
| 20:24.57 | moshii | jcuk: university in the uk is pretty poor |
| 20:24.58 | Kayte | but i can't take my money out |
| 20:25.00 | rAz__ | it isnt in modconf or no with insmod the only one found is snd-emu10k1-synth |
| 20:25.02 | tarzeau | moshii: a cd-rom can be easily gotten ,no? |
| 20:25.04 | moshii | jcuk: my btec was harder |
| 20:25.07 | tarzeau | moshii: ftp://ftp.sunwizard.net/pub/MiscOS/NeXT/OpenStep/ |
| 20:25.18 | Kayte | with some error "u cannto use this bank account, it is assigned to another paypal account" |
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| 20:25.21 | fatfred | moshii: I agree |
| 20:25.27 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:25.27 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:25.32 | moshii | tarzeau: mm it needs a scsi cdrom, even the floppy is scsi |
| 20:25.35 | ke6isf | jcuk: Unfortunately that's not hard to do. =( I know teachers who are uber sharp, but I've seen teachers who were a couple sandwiches short of a picknic. |
| 20:25.44 | tarzeau | moshii: i know it has scsi. i've got some of them also here |
| 20:25.49 | rAz__ | mh |
| 20:25.53 | moshii | fatfred: the uni life is better though isn't it ; |
| 20:26.05 | tarzeau | moshii: i've got plenty scsi cd-roms here, if you're in switzerland i can give you a bunch |
| 20:26.07 | fatfred | moshii: aye aye:) |
| 20:26.07 | Kayte | I can't wait for uni either |
| 20:26.11 | Kayte | i just have to finish college first |
| 20:26.12 | abrotman | ke6isf: picnic |
| 20:26.18 | nvz | maybe your bank already registered you for paypal |
| 20:26.22 | Kayte | then a year at uni, got my degree, happy bunny, off i go to earn loads of money |
| 20:26.28 | ke6isf | abrotman: What you said. =^_^= I need coffee... |
| 20:26.30 | moshii | Kayte: you won't like uni unless you like getting naked and drinking too much |
| 20:26.34 | nvz | that would be really weird |
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| 20:26.39 | abrotman | ke6isf: it's 430 |
| 20:26.42 | Kayte | moshii, i dont mind :D |
| 20:26.57 | ke6isf | abrotman: It's 13:30 here and I have yet to have any coffee. Even then, I work 2nd shift. |
| 20:27.05 | moshii | Kayte: yeah, if you're in plymouth and you see an aussie girl naked, that's my mate |
| 20:27.10 | abrotman | ke6isf: that's just lazy :) |
| 20:27.29 | ke6isf | abrotman: Bah! I work a second shift as well as those first shifters! =^_^= |
| 20:27.34 | nvz | I never had to go to a uni to get naked or drink too much. you often have to pay at a uni.. you can drink and get naked for free just about anywhere |
| 20:27.47 | ke6isf | Better check with my ride. |
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| 20:27.55 | abrotman | nvz: you're NEVER invited to my place :) |
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| 20:28.07 | moshii | nvz: you can get drunk for free? |
| 20:28.10 | Kayte | "mate" |
| 20:28.11 | Kayte | mhm |
| 20:28.11 | Kayte | lol |
| 20:28.13 | ke6isf | nvz: I can do that for the price of the booze here at home. =^^= |
| 20:28.14 | abrotman | moshii: yes .. it's possible |
| 20:28.16 | nvz | abrotman: hah. I've never been drunk and naked at the same time |
| 20:28.26 | nvz | moshii: yeah its called friends |
| 20:28.31 | moshii | abrotman: yeah, but homebrew made from rubbish tastes nasty |
| 20:28.35 | abrotman | nvz: you're doing something wrong .. i've woken up naked and said .. whoops .. had too much to drink |
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| 20:28.45 | cadu | hehehehe |
| 20:28.53 | moshii | nvz: the people that get drunk for free don't have friend for long .. |
| 20:28.58 | filip | how can i setup an ftp-server in debian ? |
| 20:28.59 | nvz | moshii: these "friend" things seem to have parties frequently.. and the more you have the more parties you have to choose from |
| 20:29.10 | tarzeau | filip: apt-get install vsftpd |
| 20:29.22 | filip | okej |
| 20:29.22 | abrotman | filip: FTP is insecure |
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| 20:29.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: no it's not |
| 20:29.31 | rAz__ | <M> Emu10k1 (SB Live!, Audigy, E-mu APS) you see this ? insmod snd-emu10k1 insmod: can't read 'snd-emu10k1': No such file or directory |
| 20:29.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes it is |
| 20:29.34 | cadu | vsftpd :) |
| 20:29.37 | ke6isf | filip: apt-get install proftpd |
| 20:29.38 | rAz__ | there is a problem ? |
| 20:29.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: no it's not insecure |
| 20:29.40 | cadu | verysecureftpd :) |
| 20:29.41 | rAz__ | im sure |
| 20:29.47 | moshii | nvz: you don't need friends for parties, I just have to walk into the student union to end up at a drugs den style party |
| 20:29.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: is your password encrypted? |
| 20:29.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't use a password for ftp |
| 20:29.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: then use http :) |
| 20:30.02 | ke6isf | filip: If you want security, your users should use sftp. |
| 20:30.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: i need uploads too |
| 20:30.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: then use http :) |
| 20:30.17 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I have this weird thing about not getting drunk with people I can't trust. So I never woke up naked with rubber cement in my navel and the pledge of allegance writted head to toe like my cousin. |
| 20:30.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: how? |
| 20:30.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: easily |
| 20:30.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: http doesn't allow uploads |
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| 20:30.38 | abrotman | nvz: no . i meant with girls .. |
| 20:30.40 | nvz | moshii: I don't party with strangers |
| 20:30.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes it does |
| 20:30.44 | rAz__ | dpkg cant help me there |
| 20:30.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: no it doesn't |
| 20:30.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: use a scripting language .. it allows uploads |
| 20:31.05 | rreck | i just changed to a fpw from a crt, how can i correctly reconfigure X ? |
| 20:31.06 | moshii | nvz: my mate used to say that.. then pulled his bank manager on the way home |
| 20:31.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: you're on crack |
| 20:31.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: no i'm not |
| 20:31.33 | rAz__ | # /dev/null ? |
| 20:31.35 | nvz | abrotman: coyote ugly? woke up next to someone so ugly you'd rather chew your arm off then wake them up |
| 20:31.43 | Kayte | ew |
| 20:31.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: i will use ftp |
| 20:31.50 | Kayte | no one is ugly |
| 20:31.55 | abrotman | nvz: no .. always with the right person .. but woke up naked and would be like "Hrm .. guess i got laid last night" :) |
| 20:32.01 | Kayte | nvz, everyone's beautiful in their own special way |
| 20:32.05 | filip | how can i edit my proftpd? |
| 20:32.07 | nvz | Kayte: you must have perminant beer goggles |
| 20:32.07 | rAz__ | please mates |
| 20:32.16 | moshii | Kayte: yeah and you're "special" too |
| 20:32.16 | tarzeau | filip: with an editor? |
| 20:32.21 | rreck | anyone ? |
| 20:32.23 | filip | whick file? |
| 20:32.30 | Gnea | okay. |
| 20:32.33 | tarzeau | filip: one in /etc |
| 20:32.34 | Kayte | lol |
| 20:32.40 | filip | ok |
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| 20:32.53 | nvz | and I thought I was developing an alcohol problem |
| 20:32.59 | abrotman | nvz: huh? |
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| 20:33.12 | nvz | abrotman: was talking about Kayte's beer goggles |
| 20:33.16 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:33.27 | JaneLame | bleh. |
| 20:33.37 | abrotman | oh no |
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| 20:33.41 | nvz | I've been sober for about 24... hours now... |
| 20:33.53 | abrotman | nvz: you're doing better than me .. |
| 20:33.54 | filip | tarzeau: does i allow annonymus connection now? |
| 20:33.59 | abrotman | nvz: about 12 :) |
| 20:34.01 | filip | by default |
| 20:34.04 | nvz | and thats because the damn state stores are closed |
| 20:34.08 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure proftpd |
| 20:34.16 | JaneLame | nvz, we have a word for that |
| 20:34.19 | JaneLame | in hebrew |
| 20:34.22 | JaneLame | "sachi" |
| 20:34.23 | Kayte | Just try and look at the positive side in people, unless they piss you off :) |
| 20:34.29 | tarzeau | filip: vsftpd does |
| 20:34.40 | abrotman | ftp is insecure |
| 20:34.43 | tarzeau | filip: that's what i suggested you. ask the other people for the other stuff |
| 20:34.49 | nvz | JaneLame: interesting. I dont speak hebrew. |
| 20:34.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: no it's just not encrypted by default |
| 20:34.59 | abrotman | that's insecure |
| 20:35.02 | filip | terzeau: aha, i see that now |
| 20:35.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: and if you don't allow for login shells (ftp only) it's perfectly fine |
| 20:35.09 | tarzeau | no, it's not insecure |
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| 20:35.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: you hope |
| 20:35.21 | tarzeau | i don't care |
| 20:35.21 | abrotman | it is inherently insecure |
| 20:35.25 | nvz | I almost forgot I was leaving.. just looked down and realized I put my shoes on |
| 20:35.29 | JaneLame | nvz - ok, so now you'll typw your first word in hebrew - sachi |
| 20:35.35 | abrotman | !dict saki |
| 20:35.38 | Gnea | Kayte: where have you been hiding? :) now if people in everyday society would practice that... but everyone just wants to 'be real' |
| 20:35.38 | dpkg | Dictionary 'saki' (1 of 2): Note: The black saki (Pithecia satanas), the white-headed (P. leucocephala), and the red-backed, or hand-drinking, saki (P. chiropotes), are among the best-known.. |
| 20:35.43 | nvz | JaneLame: yeah but I dont know what it eans |
| 20:36.09 | filip | tarzeau: how to edit vsftpd then ? |
| 20:36.19 | JaneLame | it means sober |
| 20:36.29 | tarzeau | filip: i use mcedit /etc/vsftpd.conf |
| 20:36.44 | abrotman | i thought it allowed anonymous by default ? |
| 20:36.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: it does |
| 20:36.56 | abrotman | then why are they editing anything ? |
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| 20:37.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: i have no idea. it's sunday. morons |
| 20:37.14 | abrotman | like the ones that think ftp is secure :) |
| 20:37.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: that guy was here 5 hours ago, and asked the same shit over and over |
| 20:37.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: bullshit :) |
| 20:37.30 | abrotman | cowpoop! |
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| 20:38.54 | GlingON | hey, I had my system working pretty good. But then I needed to update my gcc. What I thought was a intuivite command "apt-get upgrade gcc" ended up updating all my software. The problem with this is that I had recently added an unstabe (sid) source to my sources.list. When I rebooted my KDE was empty, and my system was crashing. Is there any way for me to revert back or recover from this? |
| 20:38.57 | ranDom | hi all |
| 20:39.04 | EtherNet | SFTP doesn't need a common FTPd running ? |
| 20:39.06 | filip | hmm.. can someone try my server now and see if it work? |
| 20:39.15 | tarzeau | GlingON: you wanted apt-get install gcc |
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| 20:39.26 | nvz | abrotman: ftp is real secure on a box that has no network interface and sits inside a faraday cage |
| 20:39.28 | tarzeau | GlingON: we know about kde menu are empty. use stable |
| 20:39.35 | abrotman | nvz: don't tell me .. tell tarzeau |
| 20:39.36 | tarzeau | GlingON: yes you can reinstall stable |
| 20:39.40 | Gnea | oh wow, i finally got the nvidia module to install 'the debian way' |
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| 20:39.50 | scarynetworkguy | EtherNet: http://www.openssh.org/ |
| 20:39.51 | pepe2 | hey, I'm trying to get Skype to work properly, but every time I make a call, I get this horrible noise... the rest of my sound system seems to work fine, and I don't think it's an arts issue because I tried it on gnome and got the same results... |
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| 20:40.01 | nvz | tarzeau: ftp is real secure on a box that has no network interface and sits inside a faraday cage |
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| 20:40.03 | tarzeau | EtherNet: sftpd doesn't do anonymous accounts |
| 20:40.05 | pepe2 | I'm on Sarge |
| 20:40.12 | GlingON | tarzeau: how would I go about that? |
| 20:40.14 | tarzeau | nvz: no, it's also fine on one with real internet |
| 20:40.15 | pepe2 | is it an OSS thing? maybe I need alsa? |
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| 20:40.29 | tarzeau | GlingON: just install it all oever. |
| 20:40.29 | nvz | tarzeau: notice you didnt say without the faraday cage ;) |
| 20:40.32 | EtherNet | tarzeau: so.. I could uninstall ProFTPd on the machine I use sftp |
| 20:40.38 | yc | how do I dump the basic specs on my hard drive, monitor, mouse, network, printer, and video? |
| 20:40.38 | tarzeau | bah |
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| 20:40.48 | Gnea | pepe2: well the desktop environment doesn't matter, because any sound daemon can be switched on/off |
| 20:40.51 | tarzeau | EtherNet: i wouldn't. but maybe you want vsftpd ? |
| 20:40.53 | filip | vsftpd look tha hard for me does it exist an grapichal ftp-server client ? |
| 20:40.54 | ranDom | yc lspci ? |
| 20:40.59 | tarzeau | EtherNet: depends on what you need and do |
| 20:41.03 | Gnea | pepe2: you might want to look into using ALSA instead |
| 20:41.03 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: There is no such thing as sftpd. So just stop emabarassing yourself. Hell you've already said ftp is secure. In public. On purpose. Just stop while you're behind. |
| 20:41.11 | tarzeau | filip: ftp server client? |
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| 20:41.14 | nvz | the faraday cage would prevent anyone from the internet getting through. |
| 20:41.18 | yc | ranDom k, I'll try that... |
| 20:41.24 | filip | yse..or what it is called |
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| 20:41.33 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: tell me what's not secure on ftp |
| 20:41.35 | nvz | maybe heavily sheilded cable could get a signal through one |
| 20:41.40 | abrotman | i think we've been over this :) |
| 20:41.41 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: i'm not embarassing myself. |
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| 20:41.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: put your pants back on! |
| 20:41.55 | tarzeau | just because you guys don't like ftp , that's not my problem |
| 20:42.05 | abrotman | it's easy .. it's lazy .. it's insecure |
| 20:42.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: and it's fast |
| 20:42.13 | kamaraju | Is anyone running a 2.6.11 kernel? I would like to know with which gcc version it was built? If you are running 2.6.11, you can see this info in /proc/version . Can someone post that info for me? OTOH If you can tell me how to check it myself (without installing the kernel itself) that would also be great. |
| 20:42.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: so is http |
| 20:42.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: way faster than sftp/scp |
| 20:42.20 | ranDom | hey abrotman |
| 20:42.20 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:42.25 | abrotman | ranDom: hi? |
| 20:42.27 | filip | abrotman: i tink you so go to bed. |
| 20:42.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: i can't do http uploads |
| 20:42.33 | filip | should |
| 20:42.39 | abrotman | !confuse filip |
| 20:42.40 | dpkg | Yes, those are your mushroom today, filip? wellies of the republic of belarus with extra herring |
| 20:42.53 | ranDom | abrotman, yep i was there a few days ago, talking about a serial console ( remember ? ) |
| 20:42.53 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: You are talking about daemons that don't exist and going on about how protocol that passes all of you login info in the clear and runs the daemon as root is "secure". Yes you are embarssing yourself. |
| 20:42.56 | abrotman | filip: you're totally unaware of what time it is where i am .. so shut the hell up |
| 20:43.02 | filip | i only think you should go to bed |
| 20:43.05 | abrotman | ranDom: were you the one who was drunk? |
| 20:43.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes you can |
| 20:43.18 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: who said i have a password? |
| 20:43.22 | ranDom | not that i remember |
| 20:43.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: i didn't say it's not possible. i just don't know how. show me |
| 20:43.31 | abrotman | ranDom: serial console for what? |
| 20:43.35 | nvz | this damn laptop speakers sound better than the ones on my desktop |
| 20:43.49 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: well, i disagree |
| 20:43.53 | ranDom | abrotman, for a screenless keyboard less server |
| 20:43.56 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: With what? |
| 20:43.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: many scripting languages will allow you to process uploads and store them on a filessystem |
| 20:44.02 | Gnea | i can't even get the sound on my laptop to work :/ |
| 20:44.12 | abrotman | ranDom: did you get the installer started and the ssh thing going ? |
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| 20:44.16 | halibut | in Kmix, it only takes a few steps to go from min to max volume, how can I make the volume bar less "sensitive"? |
| 20:44.17 | nvz | I think they put little JBL Pros in these Presario's though |
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| 20:44.45 | abrotman | it's Tattoo!!! |
| 20:44.54 | GlingON | tarzeau: can you elaborate a little on reinstalling a stable KDA? I'm still not proficient with aptitude. |
| 20:44.56 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: http://tinyurl.com/ch823 # Yeah. That is just the picture of security. |
| 20:44.57 | ranDom | abrotman, that wasnt for an install, just trying to use a null-modem |
| 20:45.08 | Kayte | hrm |
| 20:45.09 | abrotman | ranDom: oh .. no .. that i don't remember :) |
| 20:45.15 | nvz | only 7 hours left! |
| 20:45.15 | ranDom | abrotman, never mind |
| 20:45.17 | Kayte | why doesnt' ... apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla |
| 20:45.18 | Kayte | work/ |
| 20:45.33 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: you know there's 2.x of vsftpd ? |
| 20:45.35 | phogg | Kayte: that depends on what error you get |
| 20:45.37 | nvz | an-y-way I am leaving before I forget again |
| 20:45.51 | Kayte | Couldn't find pacakge |
| 20:45.51 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: So what are your reasons for thinking that ftp is secure? |
| 20:46.03 | ranDom | Kayte, thats non-free |
| 20:46.05 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: no, i asked first what your reasons are for it to be not secure |
| 20:46.06 | abrotman | ranDom: does it work ? |
| 20:46.09 | nvz | !info flashplayer-mozilla |
| 20:46.13 | phogg | Kayte: then the package does not reside on any of the sources listed in your sources.list |
| 20:46.16 | abrotman | !non-free |
| 20:46.16 | dpkg | [non-free] always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.htm |
| 20:46.22 | ranDom | abrotman, yep, except that i cant get boot messages on console |
| 20:46.25 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: i can run it in a change root or with user accounts that are only for ftp |
| 20:46.31 | Kayte | oh, can i just add random ones then? |
| 20:46.32 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: i don't see any problems with that |
| 20:46.37 | phogg | Kayte: hint: it's not an official debian package and you'd need a third parry repository |
| 20:46.37 | nvz | !+info flashplayer-mozilla |
| 20:46.39 | dpkg | Package 'flashplayer-mozilla' does not exist. |
| 20:46.45 | abrotman | ranDom: that might be a PC limitation ? |
| 20:46.46 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: Yeah. I'm sure you don't. *sigh*. |
| 20:46.48 | gravity | It's in marillat's repo |
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| 20:47.09 | nvz | the flashplugin-nonfree always worked for me |
| 20:47.10 | abrotman | ranDom: i've only ever done consoles with hrm .. "Real" hardware :) |
| 20:47.10 | gravity | !tell Kayte about marillat |
| 20:47.11 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: ok the passwords of those users can be sniffed. so? |
| 20:47.18 | ranDom | abrotman, i get the grub boot menu, can select what kernel i want and press enter, then nothing until login |
| 20:47.20 | nvz | and thats an official package |
| 20:47.25 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: so can ssh password logins (with a keylogger) |
| 20:47.36 | GlenneMannen | I'm trying to forward a port to another computer on my lan.. is this how to do it: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth1 --dport 4001 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.3:4001 |
| 20:47.36 | GlenneMannen | iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i eth0 -d 192.168.0.3 --dport 4001 -j ACCEPT |
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| 20:48.15 | green_earz | Kayte: a very use full debian doc handy to bookmaik > "Debian Reference" > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 20:48.17 | scarynetworkguy | God. |
| 20:48.26 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 20:48.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 20:48.30 | yc | is there a way to dump monitor specs, eg. model, manu, resolutions, h/v refresh, colour depth, screen size? |
| 20:48.34 | ranDom | green_earz, i second that |
| 20:48.36 | hmakholm | Wow, who gave dpkg that piece of hate speech about non-free? Item 5 in the social contract still existed last I checked. |
| 20:48.39 | tarzeau | yc: hwinfo |
| 20:48.41 | abrotman | ranDom: oh .. framebuffer ? |
| 20:48.52 | yc | tarzeau, k thx |
| 20:48.56 | ranDom | abrotman, nope i dont have this |
| 20:49.03 | GlingON | how do i check info on an installed package using aptitude? |
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| 20:49.14 | abrotman | ranDom: i don't know .. i'm just speculation .. you should read a console howto |
| 20:49.26 | Kayte | Tank you people |
| 20:49.34 | ranDom | abrotman, i did, and that didnot helps |
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| 20:49.41 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: Yeah. OK. Whatever. Hell I could implement the "guy with a baseball bat" attack also. That doesn't change the point which you seem far to dense to grok. |
| 20:49.53 | ranDom | but since its kinda working, its fine |
| 20:49.57 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: try harder to explain |
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| 20:50.22 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: it's not like i don't want to understand. but saying "it's not so. or it's so." without any reason won't cut it |
| 20:50.42 | kamaraju | GlingON: How about wajig show packagename? Granted it is not an aptitude command. But it does the job. |
| 20:50.42 | woodland | hi, i want to check whether i have stable, testing or unstable version ? |
| 20:50.46 | rreck | thanks! |
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| 20:50.57 | abrotman | woodland: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:51.05 | woodland | ok |
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| 20:51.13 | abrotman | woodland: stable=sarge , testing=etch , unstable=sid |
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| 20:51.23 | ranDom | woodland, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:51.25 | Tye_ | Is etch at this point quite similar to sid? |
| 20:51.32 | abrotman | Tye_: no |
| 20:51.33 | tarzeau | Tye_: no |
| 20:51.38 | abrotman | ranDom: that doesn't always work |
| 20:51.39 | biteme | scarynetworkguy how do hide my sever from the internet |
| 20:51.42 | tarzeau | Tye_: it never is |
| 20:51.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: sometimes they are |
| 20:51.55 | abrotman | similar |
| 20:51.57 | kamaraju | woodland: Q 15 in http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/debian_choosing_distribution.html |
| 20:52.07 | ranDom | abrotman, i dont care, i cant believe its possible not to know what version is installed ... |
| 20:52.09 | hmakholm | biteme: Pullling out the network cable works fairly well. |
| 20:52.20 | dli | biteme, "hide"? |
| 20:52.21 | biteme | goog |
| 20:52.27 | biteme | good |
| 20:52.30 | abrotman | ranDom: if you didn't install it ? |
| 20:52.32 | Tye_ | Oh. I thought it would be very similar to sid at the start, and then diverge as sid moves away from it. But I guess there will be a chorus of "not so!" soon ... |
| 20:52.38 | biteme | (all) ha |
| 20:52.38 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: It leaks info for no good reason. That entire class of daemons is known to fall over if you look at them crosseyed. 5 9s of them are configured out of the box so that you are pretty much running a 0 day warez/pr0n server when you turn them on. Do you *really* trust your chroot config that well? All the hacks to try to make them look secure just add complexity. |
| 20:52.43 | alex__ | I have just upgraded from woody to sarge and everthing seems to have gone smoothly excepted one or two things, however my apache is not working, when doing a /etc/init.d/apache restart, it echo "Restarting apache" and stays stuck, what should I do ? |
| 20:52.51 | ranDom | abrotman, i didnt think about this one ... |
| 20:53.01 | dli | bitme maybe, you mean a firewall |
| 20:53.03 | abrotman | ranDom: good reason eh? :) |
| 20:53.10 | ranDom | abrotman, well yep |
| 20:53.11 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: This all when there is a Simple, Functional. Secure. alternative. So the reason for using it is? |
| 20:53.28 | woodland | hi is /apt inside /etc? |
| 20:53.34 | biteme | (all) i have a firewall running iptables and proxy server |
| 20:54.09 | alex__ | Just to see I have done an apt-get upgrade and to my surprise it wants to install 67 packages ! I have followed the howto on debian.org to update and use aptitude. Is this normal then ? |
| 20:54.10 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: AND ANYTHING THAT PASSES LOGIN INFO OF ANY KIND OVER A NETWORK IS BY DEFINITION NOT SECURE. |
| 20:54.13 | abrotman | woodland: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:54.29 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: i never disagreed to the last statement |
| 20:54.32 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: passes in the clear |
| 20:54.32 | biteme | dli i know you can use iptables to prevent a ping or a network scan using tracenet |
| 20:54.34 | scarynetworkguy | UNENCRYPTED THAT IS. |
| 20:54.35 | woodland | abrot , thereis no /apt inside /etc |
| 20:54.36 | abrotman | #iptables |
| 20:54.37 | Gnea | biteme: you want to 'hide it' from the internet? |
| 20:54.42 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yeah. Bad typo there. |
| 20:54.47 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:54.52 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: i was just saying you can do ftp server with upload only account, and download only account |
| 20:54.58 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: No you said ftp was secure. |
| 20:54.59 | abrotman | biteme: #iptables or netfilter.org |
| 20:55.00 | dli | biteme, I suggest you to run bastille and psad |
| 20:55.00 | alex__ | do you guys read me at least ? :) |
| 20:55.04 | woodland | sorry, it is there |
| 20:55.04 | ranDom | woodland, you sure its a debian ??? |
| 20:55.05 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: yes i did |
| 20:55.09 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: And that has fuck all what to do with anything? |
| 20:55.12 | biteme | gnea yes so i can,t be hacked again |
| 20:55.18 | woodland | i found sources.list |
| 20:55.27 | abrotman | alex__: which version of debian are you running ? |
| 20:55.32 | Kayte | i dont understand how people can get hacked |
| 20:55.32 | Kayte | :\ |
| 20:55.32 | dli | biteme, bastille and psad can disable outside ping and port scanning |
| 20:55.39 | Gnea | biteme: best bet there is to google for some iptables firewalls - you might want to give shorewall a shot (it's in apt) |
| 20:55.41 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: ok i'm not in the mood of talking to angry people |
| 20:55.41 | kamaraju | alex__: I have read your question. But I dont know the answer. |
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| 20:55.44 | Kayte | and no, that's not an invitation |
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| 20:55.46 | abrotman | Kayte: it's easy |
| 20:55.50 | GlingON | anyone know where the ethernet configuration file is? |
| 20:55.51 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: Then you said that you never disagreed with the statement that anything that passes login info in the clear is by defination insecure. You gotta pick one. |
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| 20:56.04 | woodland | how do i spit my sources.list here |
| 20:56.06 | dli | biteme, so, they can not ping your server do nmap to your server |
| 20:56.06 | biteme | DLI & Gnea thanks |
| 20:56.08 | ranDom | GlingON, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:56.10 | abrotman | woodland: you don't |
| 20:56.11 | cadu | GlingON: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:56.12 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:56.12 | dpkg | [paste] Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 20:56.15 | GlingON | thanks |
| 20:56.16 | abrotman | woodland: ^^ |
| 20:56.18 | alex__ | abrotman: Linux dimitri 2.4.27 #3 Sun Oct 24 06:19:03 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:56.20 | Gnea | Kayte: usually someone says something somewhere and someone else gets all pissy about it then they go and and do portscans and whatnot |
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| 20:56.28 | alex__ | kamaraju: thanks |
| 20:56.32 | abrotman | alex__: are you running sarge or etch or sid ? |
| 20:56.34 | Kayte | i dont' really know why though |
| 20:56.45 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: have you ever run an ftp server ? |
| 20:56.46 | woodland | i think i have sarge stable, thats what sources.list says |
| 20:56.49 | alex__ | abrotman, I have just upgraded from woody to sarge |
| 20:56.52 | abrotman | Kayte: people write software .. people aren't perfect .. shit happens :) |
| 20:56.52 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: Yes indeed. |
| 20:56.56 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: no no, don't answer. i don't want to talk with you about this anymore |
| 20:56.58 | Gnea | Kayte: people think they are better than others. |
| 20:56.59 | Kayte | i mean, the point of it, it's stupid. You just piss osmeone off for a while, they format, and everything's back to normal |
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| 20:57.01 | abrotman | alex__: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 20:57.09 | alex__ | abrotman: ok |
| 20:57.10 | woodland | is sarge the latest version |
| 20:57.11 | Kayte | abrotman, don't be so patronising |
| 20:57.16 | cadu | tarzeau: still that chap about ftp security ? o_O jeeez |
| 20:57.17 | abrotman | woodland: latest stable |
| 20:57.24 | Gnea | woodland: sarge is the latest stable version, yes |
| 20:57.24 | tarzeau | cadu: yes |
| 20:57.30 | bitshifty | hello, i would like to know how to view documentation i download from aptitude (which was unpacked to /usr/share/doc)? |
| 20:57.36 | abrotman | Kayte: i'm not .. i'm telling you what happens .. you said you don't understand how .. i just told you |
| 20:57.45 | tarzeau | cadu: not my problem. i said i disagree and they went further discussing |
| 20:57.46 | ranDom | bitshifty, man less |
| 20:57.49 | woodland | newbies should use stable versions, right ? |
| 20:57.54 | Gnea | Kayte: everytime someone else points out the truth to you, you get upset at it - don't. |
| 20:57.55 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: Well for starters it would help if you picked a position and stuck with it. Either you think that passing login info in the clear is secure or that it isn't. Which is it? |
| 20:57.58 | tarzeau | cadu: they could've just thought "idiot" and stop discussing, no? |
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| 20:58.05 | Kayte | who said i was uset? |
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| 20:58.11 | abrotman | Kayte: with a combination of a remote hole in apache and a local root exploit .. you've just been fully hacked |
| 20:58.16 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: it's fine if the account is for ftp only. and i will monitor such system |
| 20:58.27 | Kayte | pointless |
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| 20:58.36 | alex__ | abrotman: should I type "/msg dpkg woody->sarge" or "dpkg woody->sarge" |
| 20:58.38 | Gnea | Kayte: by reacting that way, you ruffle feathers |
| 20:58.39 | abrotman | Kayte: what is? |
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| 20:58.48 | Kayte | being hacked is pointless |
| 20:58.53 | abrotman | why? |
| 20:59.00 | abrotman | !tell alex__ about woody->sarge |
| 20:59.00 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: it's not fine if the user/pass can do more than ftp (like login shells, that was my point, ever since) |
| 20:59.04 | abrotman | alex__: see what dpkg told you |
| 20:59.07 | Gnea | depends upon your definition of 'hacked' |
| 20:59.08 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: and always with the when and ifs above |
| 20:59.11 | woodland | should newbies use stable versions always |
| 20:59.12 | MaDsCiEnTiSt | im trying to use debian as a router, i have a static IP and a block of 8 IP's. eth1 has the modem and has the static IP assigned, eth0 is the local network i want to be able to use the IP block on, how do i set up 'full' rouinting between these interfaces ? |
| 20:59.25 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: why can't you just think "idiot" and stop the talk? then i will go to bed, and all is fine |
| 20:59.25 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: Be that as it may. It is not secure. You are talking about mitigating the inherent insecurity not making it secure. Or it being secure. |
| 20:59.38 | abrotman | MaDsCiEnTiSt: ipmasq .. NAT ? |
| 20:59.39 | Kayte | Gnea, it's the internet, I think people should remember that that's what it is, it's nothing of importance really, it just entertains you for a few hours if you're bored, but I guess for someone who works on computer's it's probably pretty important |
| 20:59.43 | kamaraju | woodland: Read the faq at http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/debian_choosing_distribution.html and decide on your own |
| 20:59.52 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: Because I care about this shit. Because I'm directly affected by people who do stupid things. |
| 20:59.52 | abrotman | Kayte: that's total bullshit |
| 20:59.52 | woodland | ok |
| 20:59.57 | Kayte | what is? |
| 21:00.01 | Gnea | MaDsCiEnTiSt: take the 8 ip's off of eth1, place some on eth0 and assign a route table from eth1 to eth0 |
| 21:00.04 | abrotman | Kayte: the internet is not just for fun |
| 21:00.09 | MaDsCiEnTiSt | «abrotman» i don't want to use NAT, i want a host on the same switch as the eth0 interface to have public IPs |
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| 21:00.15 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: don't throw me in a pot with other people. i'm not affecting you |
| 21:00.32 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: Do you have a computer that has a internet connection? |
| 21:00.34 | Kayte | What's it for? |
| 21:00.35 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: i'm free to run whatever shit you call unsecure |
| 21:00.45 | abrotman | Kayte: i'm just saying it's not just for entertainment |
| 21:00.49 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: several, don't move the topic |
| 21:00.50 | woodland | there r not many women in #debian-women |
| 21:00.50 | Laser | where can i find a list of supported by the kernel stuff? |
| 21:00.54 | Kayte | meh |
| 21:00.56 | alex__ | abrotman: I have done this and I have also followed the release note on debian |
| 21:01.01 | alex__ | abrotman: this is since then |
| 21:01.03 | abrotman | Kayte: otherwise .. ebay and amazon etc wouldn't be billion dollar companies |
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| 21:01.06 | dv__ | hi |
| 21:01.06 | MaDsCiEnTiSt | «Gnea» i've tried assinging the lowest usable IP from the block to eth1:1 but that didnt work either |
| 21:01.18 | green_earz | abrotman: its cracked or rooted not the word hacked. terminnolgy |
| 21:01.19 | dv__ | I forgot the command how to choose between automake versions.. |
| 21:01.27 | MaDsCiEnTiSt | «Gnea» the single static ip is a completly differnt subnet to the block of 8 |
| 21:01.42 | abrotman | green_earz: i know exactly what they mean .. hacked is quite acceptable |
| 21:01.47 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: Then you are running several machines that could be used as weapons against me. You are in a postion to directly affect me. I think that educating you is a good idea so that maybe you'll stop doing stupid things. |
| 21:01.50 | dv__ | right now automake points to the 1.4 version but I want to change it to 1.6 |
| 21:01.52 | Gnea | MaDsCiEnTiSt: right, that's why you need to route the block |
| 21:01.56 | abrotman | green_earz: nowhere did i imply the hacker did anything malicious |
| 21:01.56 | Kayte | abrotman, true |
| 21:02.07 | Kayte | I regularly buy items off the internet |
| 21:02.09 | dv__ | I can manually change the symlink, but I remember a program which changes that |
| 21:02.09 | MaDsCiEnTiSt | «Gnea» yeah how is that done ? |
| 21:02.13 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: hey i also have knives in my kitchen. omg they could be used against you |
| 21:02.20 | alex__ | abrotman: I see you are quite busy but can you just tell me what should I do ? |
| 21:02.21 | MaDsCiEnTiSt | «Gnea» i presume with route add something.. but i cant figure it out |
| 21:02.21 | abrotman | Kayte: yes .. credit cards are nice :) |
| 21:02.27 | Kayte | lol |
| 21:02.28 | kamaraju | dv__: Are you looking for update-alternatives? |
| 21:02.31 | Kayte | *looks at mummy* |
| 21:02.33 | abrotman | alex__: all your sources point at sarge? |
| 21:02.36 | somePriest | When I log into XFree as non-root, and try to run mozilla-thunderbird, why might I be getting 'Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server', followed by a GTK error saying it cannot open the display? |
| 21:02.39 | alex__ | abrotman: yes |
| 21:02.45 | abrotman | alex__: paste your sources at pastebin.ca and give me the url |
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| 21:03.04 | Tye_ | somePriest: I had the same problem, then it turned out I had copied a .Xauthority from another computer ... |
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| 21:03.16 | Gnea | MaDsCiEnTiSt: first of all, forget ifconfig and aliasing - you can add multiple ip's' directly to an interface using iproute (the ip command) |
| 21:03.17 | Kayte | anyway, I have to go and get ready for bed |
| 21:03.19 | Kayte | I shall return |
| 21:03.35 | Gnea | Kayte: later |
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| 21:03.54 | somePriest | Tye_ : Hmmm, I can remove .Xauthority and hope it regenerates, mine is the original though. |
| 21:04.13 | MaDsCiEnTiSt | «Gnea» hmm ok.. well the static IP is 84.12.139.182 and the block is 84.12.214.152/28 (153 being the first usable) |
| 21:04.14 | Tye_ | somePriest: It's probably not that problem you have. I did find some stuff when googling about it though. |
| 21:04.21 | kamaraju | somePriest: Dont remove it. mv it to another name. |
| 21:04.23 | ranDom | somePriest, maybe you should try with a newly created user first ... |
| 21:04.30 | dv__ | kamaraju, yeah, thats it. thanks. |
| 21:05.03 | kamaraju | dv__: what happens when you run xinit? |
| 21:05.14 | dv__ | why? |
| 21:05.21 | Gnea | MaDsCiEnTiSt: ok, then you want to do an ip r a 84.12.214.152/28 dev eth1 && ip a a 84.12.214.153/28 brd 84.12.214.159 dev eth0 |
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| 21:05.36 | somePriest | kamaraju : Ya, backups, a good thing. |
| 21:05.38 | dv__ | kamaraju, why the question? X starts, a terminal opens .. |
| 21:05.54 | kamaraju | dv__: Now do startx and see if it works |
| 21:05.56 | somePriest | ranDom : I'd only just installed fresh. This user is a new user :) |
| 21:06.11 | ranDom | okidoki |
| 21:07.21 | kamaraju | dv__: Forget it. I wanted to tell xinit etc., to somePriest who was having X problems and by mistake I typed you nick |
| 21:07.38 | dv__ | :) |
| 21:07.54 | amp | howdy y'all. trying to install debian. I'm on the 'Configuring xserver-xfree86' screens. I picked ati as my X server driver. Now for the video card's bus identifier, I don't know what to put. Safe to leave blank? |
| 21:07.58 | GlingON | can somebody elaborate how I would go about reverting my KDE from unstable back to stable? |
| 21:08.29 | kamaraju | amp: Leave it blank for now and see if it works. You can always reconfigure it later if that does not work. |
| 21:08.30 | abrotman | downgrade not possible |
| 21:08.44 | abrotman | well . not really |
| 21:08.50 | alex__ | abrotman: www.pastebin.com/342542 |
| 21:09.10 | amp | I think I've been down the 'leaving it blank' road before and it did not work. What sort of values is it looking for here? |
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| 21:09.22 | GlingON | abrotman, well I had just done and upgrade and now my KDE is empty, sombody said I had to reinstall the stable. |
| 21:09.27 | abrotman | alex__: if you just `apt-get update;apt-get upgrade` .. you should be fine .. |
| 21:09.34 | alex__ | ok |
| 21:09.37 | abrotman | GlingON: are you on sid or sarge ? |
| 21:09.45 | abrotman | alex__: and subscribe to the DSA list |
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| 21:09.59 | GlingON | originally I was on sarge, but I don't know now, is it based on your kernel version? |
| 21:10.13 | kamaraju | amp: Is ati the correct driver? |
| 21:10.17 | GlingON | I had to upgrade my kernel past a stable build. |
| 21:10.21 | liable | look in your sources list |
| 21:10.22 | abrotman | GlingON: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 21:10.24 | ranDom | GlingON, it is based on what you put in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:10.35 | amp | It is an ATI Radeon 7000 card. I figured ati would be the best option. |
| 21:10.36 | GlingON | there is a sid in my sources.list |
| 21:11.03 | kamaraju | amp: What do you mean it does not work? Could you explain more? |
| 21:11.09 | abrotman | GlingON: welcome to unstable |
| 21:11.35 | amp | When Debian booted and tried to switch to graphics mode to start the X server, it aborted and dumped me out to text mode. |
| 21:12.02 | pitator | salut, prob hardware, 2 disk raid ide, 0 disk ide, 0 disk scsi, 0 disk sata, et quand je veux installer un OS Debian ou windob ils me detecte aucun disk??? |
| 21:12.21 | GlingON | abrotman: well... I'm not sure I want to be here... because my system actually is unstable now. I cannot switch to command-line mode. My kde is empty and programs are crashing. |
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| 21:12.26 | kamaraju | Ok. First disable the window manager you are using. /etc/init.d/gdm stop. If you are using xdm replace gdm with xdm etc., |
| 21:12.26 | dv__ | amp, try "radeon" as the driver |
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| 21:12.45 | ranDom | pitator, mauvais chan, changer chan |
| 21:12.47 | abrotman | GlingON: you might want to ask #debian-kde about kde .. they might beable to stabilize it |
| 21:12.48 | Toad | anyone know how to execute a command from a shell script with a timeout? |
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| 21:12.52 | kamaraju | amp: Then try doing a startx and see what error you are getting. |
| 21:13.02 | GlingON | ok, thanks, i'll try that |
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| 21:13.04 | Toad | i.e. if it hasn't finished in 5 seconds, kill it? |
| 21:13.06 | MaDsCiEnTiSt_ | «Gnea» sorry, d/c.. hmmm why did you to different ip's for the /28.. 84.12.214.152/28 and 84.12.214.153/28 |
| 21:13.22 | Toad | is the best bet to do & and then sleep 5 or something? |
| 21:13.32 | amp | dv__: you mean typing 'radeon' where it prompts for the the video card's bus identifier? Is that the kind of thing it is asking for? |
| 21:13.32 | outlaw84 | I am patching the kernal "normally" you get a .diff file I got a .patch file now.. Do I still use "patch -p1 < file" ?? |
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| 21:13.44 | dv__ | no |
| 21:13.57 | dv__ | i meant radeon for the graphics driver |
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| 21:14.10 | E-bola | do i need to reomcpile my kernel to get rid of ipv6? |
| 21:14.14 | E-bola | in palces like netstat etc |
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| 21:14.39 | outlaw84 | E-bola: yea unless it is runnig like a module |
| 21:14.42 | amp | proceeding with leaving the bus identifier blank... <cross fingers> |
| 21:14.54 | gnat_x | i installed the recommended firefox update, and now it seg faults when i try to launch the browser. |
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| 21:15.47 | PeterB | Toad: Something like blah & sleep 5; kill $! might work. |
| 21:15.55 | gnat_x | is this something that has happened to other folks? |
| 21:16.01 | pitator | sry, i have a prob hardware, 2 disk raid ide, 0 disk ide, 0 disk scsi, 0 disk sata, and when i went instal an OS no detected my disk???? |
| 21:16.16 | woodland | if i have to post on debian mailing list can i do it without subsribing |
| 21:16.19 | Toad | Peter: problem is that always waits for 5 seconds, even if it finishes in 0.5 |
| 21:16.38 | kamaraju | Is there anyway to read this irc as 'threaded' messages? Right now all the new messages are coming at the bottom and I can't keep track of all the conversations..... |
| 21:16.59 | frumious-0 | Toad: sleep for shorter times, in a loop, break the loop if subprocess is finished. |
| 21:17.08 | kamaraju | woodland: Yes. You can post on debian-user without subscribing and read the archives online. |
| 21:17.12 | PeterB | Toad: So what? |
| 21:17.16 | woodland | ok kama, |
| 21:17.21 | woodland | brb |
| 21:17.25 | Toad | so that sucks |
| 21:17.38 | Kayte | aww |
| 21:17.39 | Toad | yuck |
| 21:17.42 | Kayte | my brother's names Peter B |
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| 21:17.44 | vincent_ | pitator: sounds like debian isnt recognizing your hardware, once in the installer hi alt f2 to get a command propt and look through 'dmesg | less' and look for anything relevant to your drives (should show up as hda hdb hdc etc. |
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| 21:18.05 | Miles_Prower | Q. I've tried several tutorials, perhaps you all know a better one... How does one install JAVA onto debian, so as to run a JAVA program, like Azureus. |
| 21:18.06 | Toad | I found one way, which is to sleep | (read nothing ; kill $cmd_pid) & |
| 21:18.08 | PeterB | Kayte: Hah. |
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| 21:18.13 | abrotman | !tell Miles_Prower about install java |
| 21:18.14 | Toad | then wait $cmd_pid ; kill $sleep_pid |
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| 21:18.45 | Kayte | Night |
| 21:19.03 | cy_ | hello, please dont shoot me cos of this question, but is there a config witch for /etc/apt/apt.conf to make apt-get colorfull ? like emerge from gentoo portage :-| |
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| 21:19.23 | green_earz | Miles_Prower: http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 |
| 21:19.28 | Miles_Prower | ok, now.. how do i ask dpkg about things? |
| 21:19.30 | PeterB | Whoa. "config witch" ? |
| 21:19.56 | frumious-0 | I could use one of those! |
| 21:20.07 | alex__ | abrotman: thanks apache seems to work fine now, however I still have a problem with Postfix, I can't send neither receive emails and in /var/log/mail.err, I have this:postfix/smtpd[7716]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanism |
| 21:20.09 | cy_ | switch* |
| 21:20.10 | cy_ | :/ |
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| 21:20.36 | kamaraju | cy_: Are there any screenshots available? I dont know how emerge works and am interested... |
| 21:20.40 | simonvallore | Is there a way i can install mpeg decoders on linux to watch mpg |
| 21:20.49 | stew | Miles_Prower: /msg dpkg things |
| 21:20.56 | abrotman | alex__: i don't use sasl |
| 21:21.04 | eutopia | im having trouble with Kgpg, it doesnt encrypt due to not finding my key, but the key is there! buggy! Any other encryption program besides kpgp? |
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| 21:21.08 | ranDom | kamaraju, they use escape sequences to colorize installation process output ... |
| 21:21.13 | alex__ | abrotman: neither do I :S |
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| 21:21.25 | stew | eutopia: gnupg |
| 21:21.29 | cy_ | kamaraju; uhm dunno.. ill have a quick look.. brb.. |
| 21:21.34 | simonvallore | Is there a way i can install mpeg decoders on linux to watch mpg |
| 21:21.44 | dafen | the new kernel 2.6.12.5 has a header file defined a function which has been redefined in ipw2200 cause trouble to compile |
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| 21:22.04 | dafen | ipw2200 1.0.4 |
| 21:22.04 | kamaraju | simonvallore: have you installed mplayer? |
| 21:22.08 | stew | simonvallore: /msg dpkg mplayer ; add marillat and get mplayer and w32codecs |
| 21:22.09 | simonvallore | nooo |
| 21:22.15 | bitshifty | hello. |
| 21:22.18 | simonvallore | yeah i did |
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| 21:22.36 | alex__ | abrotman: what can I do to disable SASL then ? |
| 21:22.39 | simonvallore | i installed mp player |
| 21:22.56 | kamaraju | simonvallore: what about w32codecs? |
| 21:22.58 | abrotman | alex__: no idea .. which postfix package do you have installed .. dpkg -l | grep postfix |
| 21:23.00 | simonvallore | nope |
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| 21:23.03 | simonvallore | dunno how |
| 21:23.07 | simonvallore | thats why im here |
| 21:23.10 | GlenneMannen | how do I untar .gz files+ |
| 21:23.15 | bitshifty | i tried formatting my floppy disk using "fdformat /dev/fd0"... it works, but when i try to mount the drive, it says it can't detect the file system, and that one wasn't specified. what's the problem? |
| 21:23.18 | eutopia | stew: but doesnt gnupg still use kgpg as its prime program? |
| 21:23.19 | kamaraju | simonvallore: apt-get install w32codecs |
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| 21:23.22 | stew | simonvallore: apt-get install w32codecs |
| 21:23.28 | stew | eutopia: no |
| 21:23.33 | ranDom | bitshifty, mek2fs /dev/fd0 |
| 21:23.38 | ranDom | mke2fs |
| 21:23.38 | frumious-0 | GlenneMannen: tar -xzf file.tar.gz |
| 21:23.40 | yc | thx, guys, bye |
| 21:23.57 | simonvallore | didnt work |
| 21:24.04 | alex__ | abrotman: 2.1.5.9 |
| 21:24.06 | GlenneMannen | frumious-0: it's just a .gz file not a .tar.gz |
| 21:24.10 | abrotman | alex__: package name |
| 21:24.11 | PeterB | GlenneMannen: gunzip |
| 21:24.22 | simonvallore | cant find em that doesnt work man |
| 21:24.27 | frumious-0 | GlenneMannen: then there is no way to "untar" it. |
| 21:24.30 | alex__ | abrotman: postfix 2.1.5-9 ? |
| 21:24.41 | eutopia | stew: ok ty |
| 21:24.42 | stew | eutopia: the other way around |
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| 21:24.53 | kamaraju | GlenneMannen: man gunzip |
| 21:24.59 | IsaacHaze | gunzip -c file.tar.gz | tar x -f- |
| 21:25.14 | eutopia | stew: is gnupg more stable and less buggy than Kgpg? |
| 21:25.15 | ranDom | alex__, there are some googd docs on postfix.org |
| 21:25.19 | abrotman | alex__: then i have no idea .. it shouldn't be doing that afaik |
| 21:25.28 | ranDom | alex__, you can also try a dpkg --reconfigure postfix |
| 21:25.33 | nvz | GlenneMannen: gunzip, zcat, zless |
| 21:25.37 | simonvallore | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.38 | alex__ | ranDom: ok |
| 21:25.42 | stew | eutopia: kgpg is just a frontend to gnupg, i don't know anything about kgpg. gnupg is not buggy. have you checked the bts? |
| 21:25.51 | UFO | ranDom, isn't it dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 21:25.54 | stew | simonvallore: apt-get install w32codecs |
| 21:26.08 | GlenneMannen | I did an apt-get install opendchub but there isn't any configfile |
| 21:26.21 | simonvallore | NOPE THAT DOESNT WORK STEW |
| 21:26.26 | nvz | GlenneMannen: tar means Tape ARchive not at all to be confused with Zip |
| 21:26.29 | abrotman | !caps |
| 21:26.30 | dpkg | Do not type whole lines/nicks in caps. It's bloody annoying and will make people not want to answer you. |
| 21:26.32 | nvz | GlenneMannen: which is compression |
| 21:26.35 | ranDom | UFO maybe, i am a tab-completion addict so i dont know the whole commands |
| 21:26.38 | stew | simonvallore: did you add marillat to your sources? |
| 21:26.48 | simonvallore | WHATS THAT |
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| 21:26.56 | simonvallore | IM ON UBUNTU |
| 21:26.56 | nvz | GlenneMannen: packages generally dont contain config files |
| 21:26.57 | stew | simonvallore: turn off caps lock. /msg dpkg marillat |
| 21:27.11 | stew | simonvallore: wrong channel then #ubuntu |
| 21:27.17 | nvz | stew: turn your caps lock off, and goto #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 21:27.24 | eutopia | stew: whats bts mean? |
| 21:27.25 | simonvallore | those fags dont know anything |
| 21:27.29 | simonvallore | thats why i come here |
| 21:27.35 | stew | eutopia: /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:27.36 | nvz | simonvallore: then dont use ubuntu. |
| 21:27.39 | GlenneMannen | nvz: but there should be a documentation on where to save the examplefile they sent with it |
| 21:27.46 | eutopia | !bts |
| 21:27.47 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 21:27.50 | UFO | what is ubuntu? :/ |
| 21:27.59 | stew | UFO: a google search term |
| 21:28.03 | UFO | ah |
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| 21:28.22 | simonvallore | !SHOOT ME |
| 21:28.37 | nvz | UFO: its a linux live on cd which is NOT debian |
| 21:28.45 | UFO | hmz |
| 21:28.45 | cadu | hey |
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| 21:28.52 | cadu | i've set up simple XDMCP here |
| 21:28.52 | ranDom | how is it possible to recreate pkg database when /var has been accidentaly deleted ??? |
| 21:28.57 | UFO | like knoppix, nvz? |
| 21:28.59 | Th3_Ghost | hi i`m running dctc on machine with 3 NIC`s |
| 21:29.01 | cadu | but from work i can't X to home, why ? |
| 21:29.10 | cadu | at home, using Xnest i can access and log in my box |
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| 21:29.17 | ranDom | cadu iptables ? |
| 21:29.20 | Th3_Ghost | using -a option to start client with different than first NIC ip |
| 21:29.21 | nvz | UFO: very much like knoppix in the respect that its NOT DEBIAN in any way, shape, or form |
| 21:29.24 | cadu | XDMCP Fatal : Host Unwilling Manager Unwilling |
| 21:29.31 | UFO | uhuh |
| 21:29.38 | cadu | (i've put "*" in Xaccess) |
| 21:29.47 | Th3_Ghost | but download from other users is going out from first NIC |
| 21:29.49 | UFO | router ? |
| 21:29.53 | UFO | cadu ? |
| 21:29.53 | cadu | no |
| 21:30.08 | ranDom | cadu : you are trying to do something quite insecure |
| 21:30.21 | UFO | who cares |
| 21:30.22 | paster | "Miles_Prower" at 68.202.58.80 pasted "Trying to install Java, first error message, using http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142" (5 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/530 |
| 21:30.25 | frumious-0 | nvz: Ubunto is a Debian derivative, no? |
| 21:30.27 | cadu | ranDom: yeah but it's just for _testing_ |
| 21:30.38 | cadu | !derived |
| 21:30.40 | Th3_Ghost | is there a way to fix it? |
| 21:30.42 | gravity | frumious-0: Yes |
| 21:30.46 | cadu | !debian |
| 21:30.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 21:30.57 | SimonVallore | Lol those nubuntu n00bs banned me |
| 21:30.59 | cadu | !notdebian |
| 21:30.59 | dpkg | Debian is all about policy. Policy guides everything. Knoppix does not have Debian policy, ergo it is not Debian. |
| 21:31.01 | ranDom | cadu then i suspect a firewall problem |
| 21:31.07 | stew | cadu: please /msg the bot |
| 21:31.18 | Miles_Prower | Someone, please respond to my paste. |
| 21:31.18 | nvz | frumious-0: it was built of what was once a debian system using the debian package bootcd. |
| 21:31.35 | eutopia | whats a good compressing front end gui ? |
| 21:31.40 | abrotman | !info java-packages sarge |
| 21:31.45 | abrotman | !info java-package sarge |
| 21:31.46 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 21:31.54 | UFO | auch |
| 21:31.55 | abrotman | !tell Miles_Prower about contrib |
| 21:32.15 | UFO | XMMS plays from LUFS FTP source |
| 21:32.22 | UFO | but afgter about a minute it just hangs :/ |
| 21:32.28 | eutopia | !gnupg |
| 21:32.29 | dpkg | somebody said gnupg was the gnu privacy guard, a free replacement for PGP. at http://www.gnupg.org/ |
| 21:32.31 | Miles_Prower | Ok, abrotman.. now please make that response make sense. |
| 21:32.43 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: which response ? about contrib ? |
| 21:32.48 | eutopia | !Ark |
| 21:32.48 | Miles_Prower | Yes. |
| 21:33.02 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: go into /etc/apt/sources.list .. and append " contrib" to the main source line |
| 21:33.03 | kamaraju | SimonVallore: We cannot really help you if you are not running Debian. Ubuntu is not debian. It is debian based. |
| 21:33.06 | Miles_Prower | ok |
| 21:33.11 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: then apt-get update;apt-get install java-package |
| 21:33.17 | stew | Miles_Prower: the dpkg but should have sent you a message |
| 21:33.34 | Miles_Prower | stew: it did. I didn't understand what it means. |
| 21:33.35 | abrotman | stew: he did :) |
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| 21:34.12 | eutopia | stew why does Sarge come on 14 CD's anyway? |
| 21:34.23 | woodland | i have unsubcribed from debian mailing list, how do i post messages now |
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| 21:34.30 | stew | eutopia: becuase it doesn't fit on 13? |
| 21:34.32 | nvz | eutopia: ark (KDE/QT), fileroller (Gnome/GTK) |
| 21:34.46 | cy_ | kamaraju; didnt find any so i made one "quickly" myself.. http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/6696/emergescreenshot7ku.jpg |
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| 21:34.58 | stew | eutopia: one generally only needs the first or a netinst if you are installing onto a machine with network access however |
| 21:35.00 | UFO | [23:32:04] <UFO> XMMS plays from LUFS FTP source |
| 21:35.00 | UFO | [23:32:10] <UFO> but afgter about a minute it just hangs :/ |
| 21:35.01 | kamaraju | woodland: There are so many debian mailing lists. Which one are you talking about? |
| 21:35.09 | UFO | and after 2 retries the network stops |
| 21:35.10 | Farris | How do I turn off scr lock inside a screen? |
| 21:35.23 | nvz | Farris: type the password |
| 21:35.24 | woodland | kama, i was on debian-user, i think u r there too |
| 21:35.31 | Miles_Prower | AHA! |
| 21:35.44 | Th3_Ghost | can anybody help me about dctc? |
| 21:35.52 | Miles_Prower | Thank you abrotman. perhaps they should have YOU write the message for that. XD |
| 21:36.10 | Miles_Prower | instead of something about 'rumour has it' and stuff. |
| 21:36.18 | Farris | nvz: password??? in bash CTRL-q does the trick |
| 21:36.21 | ranDom | farris ctrl + q |
| 21:36.25 | kamaraju | cy_: That's cool. I dont think apt-get has that functionality. May be you can write it for us. |
| 21:36.33 | woodland | i have unsubcribed from debian mailing list, how do i post messages now |
| 21:36.33 | cy_ | haha |
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| 21:36.50 | lamp_ | bootsplash |
| 21:36.52 | nvz | Farris: note that "screen" is the name of a GNU Application with a locking feature. |
| 21:36.53 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: maybe |
| 21:36.55 | eutopia | stew: ok, so whats on the other 13? |
| 21:37.05 | kamaraju | woodland: do you want to just post there or do you want to subscription instructions? |
| 21:37.20 | nvz | Farris: and I just came home 10 minutes ago and unlocked my GNU Screen by typing the password at the prompt |
| 21:37.24 | PeterB | eutopia: Packages. |
| 21:37.26 | Farris | nvz: thats the app I'm using |
| 21:37.32 | woodland | kama, i just want to post there, i dont want to subscribe |
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| 21:37.39 | PaPyRene10 | I love it: I want to block ports on my SnapGear firewall (a linux device) via crontab on my linux system after this firewall! But... how do I start this little project?? (I want to block my son playing net-games on his windows XP via our home-LAN after 23:00 while he normally has to be in bed!) |
| 21:37.47 | stew | eutopia: 14,000 or so other packages |
| 21:38.01 | abrotman | PaPyRene10: this channel is for debian |
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| 21:38.04 | kamaraju | woodland: send an email to debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 21:38.19 | woodland | ok |
| 21:38.19 | alex__ | ranDom: dpkg -reconfigure Postfix gives me: dpkg: conflicting actions --control and --remove |
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| 21:38.43 | ranDom | alex__, that's dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:38.45 | stew | eutopia: if you were installing onto a machine that didn't need network access you'd need to download whatever cd's contain whatever packages you wanted to install |
| 21:38.47 | ranDom | alex__, no space |
| 21:38.49 | stew | s/need/have/ |
| 21:39.03 | PaPyRene10 | abrotman: sorry thought debian was a windows distro ;-) |
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| 21:39.16 | Th3_Ghost | haha |
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| 21:39.38 | nvz | Farris: you lock it with C-a x, and you unlock it by typing the password at the "Screen is in use by ____ \n Password:" prompt by typing the password |
| 21:39.54 | abrotman | Th3_Ghost: don't msg me |
| 21:40.03 | abrotman | or anyone without permission |
| 21:40.10 | Th3_Ghost | k |
| 21:40.16 | eutopia | stew: ok |
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| 21:40.59 | Farris | nvz: it's not that lock. I by accident typed CTRL-s.. wich then froze my screen |
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| 21:41.16 | eutopia | what debian program exists that will make a perfect image copy of my hda1? I want to make an image of hda1 and copy it to my hdb1 |
| 21:41.23 | nvz | Farris: thats called scroll lock |
| 21:41.27 | ranDom | eutopia, man dd |
| 21:41.32 | stew | eutopia: are hda1 and hda2 the same size? |
| 21:41.33 | eutopia | !partimage |
| 21:41.45 | nvz | Farris: and you use C-q or C-a q |
| 21:41.45 | eutopia | stew: not same size |
| 21:42.14 | eutopia | ranDom: isnt there a better way than using dd? |
| 21:42.25 | stew | eutopia: you should not use dd if they aren't the same size |
| 21:42.36 | eutopia | ranDom: and does dd make a mirror copy of the whole hard drive, including boot info? |
| 21:42.39 | stew | eutopia: cpio or rsync or cp -a or tar... |
| 21:42.40 | Toad | hrmm |
| 21:42.47 | eutopia | stew: ok! so what can I use? |
| 21:42.54 | Toad | any idea how to make a shell script not complain when a sub job gets killed? |
| 21:42.58 | ranDom | eutopia dd wont work if not same size |
| 21:42.59 | eutopia | stew: does cp make an exact image? |
| 21:43.04 | Toad | e.g. i do: sleep 10 & ; kill !$ and it spits out "Killed" |
| 21:43.10 | stew | eutopia: what do you mean by image? |
| 21:43.18 | Toad | even if I do sleep 10 2>/dev/null >/dev/null ; kill $! 2>/dev/null |
| 21:43.25 | nvz | Toad: try dontcomplain=$(subcommand) |
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| 21:43.42 | eutopia | stew: I mean an image, so later I can restore this image to hda1 and have it up and running again! |
| 21:43.44 | Toad | hrmm |
| 21:43.56 | jaker | Farris: did you try typing 'reset'? |
| 21:44.00 | stew | eutopia: oh, in that case you can juse cp /dev/hda1 /path/to/some/imagefile |
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| 21:44.17 | Farris | jaker: nope |
| 21:44.20 | eutopia | stew: backup purposes in case my Debian breaks, so I can restore hda1 |
| 21:44.25 | jaker | give it a try |
| 21:44.28 | Toad | nvz: doesn't work, since I'm actually piping it |
| 21:44.41 | nvz | Toad: no idea |
| 21:44.46 | Toad | hm |
| 21:45.00 | ranDom | eutopia, use rsync |
| 21:45.01 | eutopia | stew: so I type "cp /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1/backup" ? |
| 21:45.22 | Farris | jaker: no luck |
| 21:45.25 | stew | eutopia: no, you would have to mount hdb1 somwhere first |
| 21:45.33 | jaker | :-( |
| 21:46.04 | eutopia | stew: ok, and how do I then resore it if system breaks? |
| 21:46.18 | stew | eutopia: cp /path/to/some/imagefile /dev/hda1 |
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| 21:46.35 | ranDom | i wouldnt trust that |
| 21:46.39 | Miles_Prower | I have followed http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 to the letter, yet when i type 'java' at the prompt, it says bash: java: command not found. I have to use that as the start of a command to begin installing azureus. Any ideas? |
| 21:47.07 | eutopia | stew: and then when I reboot, will it be running as normal? |
| 21:47.11 | stew | yes |
| 21:47.12 | Gnea | Miles_Prower: it's not in your $PATH |
| 21:47.25 | Miles_Prower | gnea Where in linux is this stored? |
| 21:47.39 | Gnea | Miles_Prower: linux is a kernel |
| 21:47.48 | Shadow98 | asg: r u still on? |
| 21:47.50 | Miles_Prower | ok, where in Debian is it stored? |
| 21:47.51 | Gnea | Miles_Prower: the kernel does not store it, the information is stored in userland |
| 21:47.52 | stew | Miles_Prower: which jre did you install? |
| 21:48.01 | Gnea | typically ~/.bashrc |
| 21:48.02 | eutopia | stew: thats great! to have a backup in case system breaks, so I can be up and running again instead of having to reinstall everything and cnfigure :) |
| 21:48.04 | Miles_Prower | current from java's site. |
| 21:48.09 | UFO | auch |
| 21:48.16 | UFO | network card isn't reliable |
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| 21:48.20 | bucky | !java |
| 21:48.20 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive, consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). |
| 21:48.24 | ranDom | eutopia, maybe you should try it before relying on it |
| 21:48.44 | Shadow98 | can anyone help me i ran bastille and now i cannot ssh into my box |
| 21:48.52 | Gnea | Miles_Prower: if you do an updatedb then a locate java | grep bin you'll likely find it that way |
| 21:48.57 | bucky | !tell Miles_Prower about install java |
| 21:49.02 | Gnea | Shadow98: remotely? |
| 21:49.12 | Shadow98 | no from a box on local lan |
| 21:49.15 | Miles_Prower | Gnea: Ok, how do i do those things you just said? |
| 21:49.21 | stew | Miles_Prower: whatt version does "dpkg -l | grep j2" list? |
| 21:49.26 | Miles_Prower | Moment |
| 21:49.27 | Gnea | Shadow98: hook a monitor and keyboard up to it |
| 21:49.31 | UFO | Shadow98, easiest way is reboot |
| 21:49.36 | Shadow98 | im on it right now |
| 21:49.41 | Gnea | !tell Miles_Prower about newbie-guide |
| 21:49.43 | eutopia | ranDom: and rsync does a beter job than cp? |
| 21:49.50 | bucky | Miles_Prower, you might have to unzip it first.. there was some issue with that |
| 21:49.51 | UFO | maybe you just turned off your network |
| 21:49.55 | UFO | maybe you changed your ip |
| 21:50.00 | UFO | maybe removed your routes |
| 21:50.03 | Shadow98 | no the ip is the same |
| 21:50.04 | ranDom | eutopia, it will preserver permissions, symlinks an so forth |
| 21:50.14 | UFO | difficult to restore if no-one helps you ;) |
| 21:50.16 | stew | ranDom: as would cp |
| 21:50.21 | eutopia | ranDom: ok ill try rsync then too |
| 21:50.28 | Shadow98 | it something to do with bastille |
| 21:50.32 | eutopia | !rsync |
| 21:50.32 | dpkg | rsync is probably a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 21:50.39 | ranDom | anyway, a real backup system cant be that simple |
| 21:50.45 | Gnea | Shadow98: i've never run bastille, you should check out their documentation and maybe see if there's a config file to edit |
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| 21:51.30 | bitshifty | has anyone here installed quake2 on debian? |
| 21:51.31 | eutopia | stew: cp preserves file permissions and does it even backup the boot sectors? |
| 21:51.35 | bitshifty | i can't find the package in aptitude |
| 21:51.39 | UFO | and now my network is dead |
| 21:51.40 | UFO | again |
| 21:51.49 | eutopia | bitshifty: quake2? hehe |
| 21:51.53 | servus | I have, actually. |
| 21:51.58 | bitshifty | although it is listen on the stable section of debian.org package list |
| 21:52.00 | UFO | down-up, still nothing |
| 21:52.01 | servus | I didn't use apt-get for it though. I just got the tarball. |
| 21:52.02 | bitshifty | *listed |
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| 21:52.11 | Miles_Prower | dpkg -l | grep j2 |
| 21:52.11 | Miles_Prower | ii sun-j2re1.5 1.5.0+update04 Java(TM) 2 RE, Standard Edition, Sun Microsy |
| 21:52.11 | Miles_Prower | WEBSTER:/home/miles# |
| 21:52.11 | dpkg | No packages found matching |
| 21:52.15 | servus | aptitude scares me. |
| 21:52.20 | servus | Why not just use apt-get? |
| 21:52.24 | stew | eutopia: if you cp from a block device it copies every single bit as is, so its always a perfect backup. using cp to copy from a mounted filesystem is a different story, in which case you'd be better off using rsync |
| 21:52.24 | kamaraju | bitshifty: It is there in sid. What are you using? |
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| 21:52.39 | eutopia | stew: so when I restore using cp, what about the boot section where grub is located? does cp back that up too? |
| 21:52.41 | stew | eutopia: and rsync would be faster to update an existing backup |
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| 21:53.09 | stew | eutopia: the boot sector isn't on /dev/hda1 its on /dev/hda |
| 21:53.17 | jcuk | How do i start the gnome screensaver application? |
| 21:53.28 | Miles_Prower | Stew, did you see that? |
| 21:53.35 | stew | eutopia: if you did the same with /dev/hda instead of /dev/hda1 it would get the boot sector (and also any other partitions on hda) |
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| 21:53.44 | eutopia | stew: I heard from someone an idea could be to use a LiveCD such as knoppix, and use the image backup program from that! What are your thoughts? |
| 21:53.57 | eutopia | stew: ok |
| 21:54.09 | bitshifty | servus: how did you install quake2? |
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| 21:54.18 | eutopia | stew: so I type "cp /dev/hda /path/to/some/imagefile" and this will also backup hda1? |
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| 21:54.29 | kamaraju | Miles_Prower: what does locate java | grep bin give you? |
| 21:54.40 | Miles_Prower | moment. |
| 21:54.48 | ranDom | eutopia, imho you should: 1 backup your files to other partitions, in case of failure, install a base system and cp | rsync data back |
| 21:54.57 | stew | Miles_Prower: you should then have a /usr/bin/java that links to /etc/alternatives/java that links to /usr/lib/j2re-something/java |
| 21:55.05 | stew | Miles_Prower: and /usr/bin/ should definately be in your path already |
| 21:55.21 | stew | eutopia: that will beckup every bit on the harddrive in every partition |
| 21:55.44 | stew | eutopia: but it won't be incremental, so that every time you backup you will backup every bit on the drive, even the freespace |
| 21:56.02 | paster | "Miles_prower" at 68.202.58.80 pasted "locate java | grep bin" (27 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/531 |
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| 21:56.14 | stew | eutopia: if you have a 20gig hard drive that would create a 20gig image regardless of how much space you are using, not the best backup plan |
| 21:56.30 | eutopia | ranDom: im newbie and what you said i didt fully understand, sorry |
| 21:56.32 | stew | Miles_Prower: did you run updatedb? if not then locate will have out of date information |
| 21:56.45 | abrotman | !ops [Baby20] spamming |
| 21:56.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: [Baby20] spamming |
| 21:56.51 | Miles_Prower | It's just 'updatedb' on the command line? |
| 21:56.55 | eutopia | ranDom: any way of saying that again in n00b terms? :) |
| 21:57.05 | ranDom | eutopia, install your system, once ready, back it up on an other partition with rsync |
| 21:57.06 | kamaraju | Miles_Prower: you do have /usr/bin/java |
| 21:57.09 | abrotman | thank you mystical staff :) |
| 21:57.21 | ranDom | eutopia, in case of failure, all you'll have to do is: |
| 21:57.27 | jcuk | What is the best Linux bit-torrent client? |
| 21:57.37 | Miles_Prower | Stew: It's just 'updatedb' on a commandline, right? |
| 21:57.38 | Amorphous | hi. i try to umount an filesystem and it complains it's busy. but i can't find anything that has something open on it with lsof|grep mountpoint . how do i find out what prevents the umount? |
| 21:57.40 | ranDom | eutopia, install a base debian, and restore your files from partitions |
| 21:57.41 | stew | Miles_Prower: yes |
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| 21:57.52 | gubbs | jcuk: depends on your resources. if they arent an issue, azureus. |
| 21:57.56 | eutopia | stew: ok, so what is the best plan? All I want to do is backup my 10gig hda1 in case it ever breaks so I can restore it and be up and running again! :) |
| 21:58.01 | jcuk | thanks |
| 21:58.04 | gubbs | jcuk: if they are think about bittornado or something command line based |
| 21:58.07 | ranDom | eutopia, i suggest rsync for backup, it is incremental |
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| 21:58.19 | jaker | Amorphous: go back to the root and umount then |
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| 21:58.25 | UFO | arp cache: 192.168.0.8-->(incomplete) eth0 |
| 21:58.35 | UFO | 192.168.0.8 was its OWN ip! |
| 21:58.36 | ranDom | eutopia, taht means it will backup only data that has changed after last backup |
| 21:58.38 | eutopia | ranDom: 1st step: use rsync to backup hda1 to hdb1, right? |
| 21:58.46 | UFO | till a minute ago |
| 21:58.49 | plhofmei | hi all....I know running unstable is "at your own risk"...but has anyone noticed a problem with KDE in unstable as of late? |
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| 21:59.01 | Amorphous | jaker: you mean cd / ? |
| 21:59.06 | eutopia | ranDom: can you please state my steps from 1 to whatever? |
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| 21:59.11 | jaker | yep cd / |
| 21:59.12 | gubbs | jcuk: I use tomato on osx as its pretty similar to bittornado .. low footprint, mac configurability. but if you plan to seed a lot of torrents or stop/resume frequently then you cant beat azureus. |
| 21:59.13 | UFO | plhofmei, who do they call it "unstable" ? |
| 21:59.27 | ranDom | eutopia, i did |
| 21:59.29 | eutopia | ranDom: All I want to do is backup my 10gig hda1 in case it ever breaks so I can restore it and be up and running again! :) |
| 21:59.43 | kamaraju | plhofmei: what problem are you seeing? |
| 21:59.43 | plhofmei | UFO: cuz you sometinmes can experience problems <G> |
| 21:59.47 | UFO | i backed up my hd with my linux pc |
| 21:59.54 | UFO | lol plhofmei |
| 21:59.57 | plhofmei | kamaraju: all the menus are gone |
| 21:59.58 | eutopia | ranDom: i missed it! all i saw was 1. use rsync to backup hda1 |
| 22:00.11 | eutopia | ranDom: whats my second 2, step? |
| 22:00.14 | woodland | hi, i was using the command 'apt-get --purge remove mouspedometa' to remove the 'toy' called 'meaure your dektop mileage. but i got the error saying 'can not find package mouspedometa' |
| 22:00.26 | Miles_Prower | Stew, should the window sit there for a while without any response when you do updatedb? |
| 22:00.32 | Amorphous | jaker: same thing. the mountpoint is /mnt/foo and i was in /root before :) |
| 22:00.33 | stew | eutopia: make a directory on another drive, rsync -avz --delete --exclude=/proc --exclude=/dev / /path/to/backup/dir |
| 22:00.37 | ranDom | eutopia, 2 use rsync regularly to update your backups ( ie as a cronjob ) |
| 22:00.37 | eutopia | woodland: cool, that means its already removed |
| 22:00.38 | kamaraju | plhofmei: No idea. It is working fine for me. I have not updated lately |
| 22:00.39 | stew | Miles_Prower: yes |
| 22:00.49 | jaker | :-( |
| 22:00.53 | plhofmei | kamaraju: you may wish to update with caution |
| 22:00.57 | eutopia | ranDom: ok! but how do I then restore if need be? |
| 22:01.03 | ranDom | eutopia, 3: in case of failure, reinstall a base debian system and recover from backup partition |
| 22:01.04 | plhofmei | kamaraju: then again....it could just be me |
| 22:01.11 | woodland | random, but when i open it TOYS-> it does open |
| 22:01.19 | servus | bitshifty: I downloaded the tarball of quake2 linux. No apt-ness involved |
| 22:01.24 | eutopia | ranDom: ok! but how do I recover from backup partition? |
| 22:01.29 | plhofmei | kamaraju: update-menus doesn't helop either |
| 22:01.42 | ranDom | eutopia, by using rsync the other way around |
| 22:01.42 | woodland | eutopia, but when i open it TOYS-> it does open |
| 22:01.52 | ranDom | eutopia, but first of all: man rsync |
| 22:01.53 | eutopia | ranDom: ok |
| 22:01.57 | jcuk | cant find java runtime enviroment on apt :( |
| 22:01.57 | eutopia | thanks |
| 22:02.07 | eutopia | stew: whats "rsync -avz --delete --exclude=/proc --exclude=/dev / /path/to/backup/dir" do exactly? |
| 22:02.28 | woodland | hi eutopia |
| 22:02.56 | ranDom | eutopia, it is explained in manpage |
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| 22:03.09 | woodland | can somebody help me |
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| 22:03.21 | dli | any feh users? |
| 22:03.25 | ranDom | dli me |
| 22:03.26 | Amorphous | jaker: outch i have an active swapfile lying around on that fs. lsof doesn't show that. thx anyway |
| 22:03.37 | Gnea | dli: of course |
| 22:03.49 | dli | ranDom, how to make feh resize the pictures when showing? |
| 22:03.49 | jaker | np |
| 22:03.55 | bitshifty | servus: where can i find the q2 tarball, and how do i install it? do i need any other packages to run it? |
| 22:03.58 | woodland | can somebody help me |
| 22:04.07 | Gnea | !tell woodland about ask |
| 22:04.07 | ranDom | dli feh --help | less |
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| 22:04.13 | erikdrvn | I am soooo frustrated.. can soneone please tell me what I'm doing wrong with installing a sound card? |
| 22:04.25 | dli | Gnea, now, it just displays pictures of the original size, boring for large pictures |
| 22:04.28 | Gnea | !tell erikdrvn about ask |
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| 22:04.43 | Gnea | dli: middle click on the image and move the mouse |
| 22:04.51 | woodland | hi, i was using the command 'apt-get --purge remove mouspedometa' to remove the 'toy' called 'meaure your dektop mileage. but i got the error saying 'can not find package mouspedometa' |
| 22:04.54 | dli | Gnea, I want it to auto fit the window |
| 22:04.54 | eutopia | stew: does gnupg work on KDE or only Gnome? |
| 22:05.09 | gravity | uh... |
| 22:05.11 | stew | eutopia: gnupg is a command line tool, it works without x even |
| 22:05.16 | woodland | but i have the TOY called mouspedometa |
| 22:05.22 | stew | gravity: we're you in nyc this weekend? |
| 22:05.27 | PeterB | woodland: Maybe you spelt it wrong. |
| 22:05.31 | gravity | stew: Yeah, only for two quick nights though |
| 22:05.35 | woodland | let me check |
| 22:05.38 | dli | Gnea also, feh generates many feh- list files, how to disable this feature |
| 22:05.38 | gravity | stew: Did you go to the triple-H thing? |
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| 22:05.46 | eutopia | stew: ok thanks |
| 22:05.48 | stew | gravity: i was going to try to make it out to meet you guys at some point but was way to busy |
| 22:05.51 | eutopia | brb |
| 22:05.51 | stew | gravity: nope |
| 22:05.58 | rob_away | woodland, dpkg -l | grep mous |
| 22:06.07 | gravity | stew: Ah. I couldn't stay long. I had to leave for Albany early Saturday, so I didn't have a ton of time. |
| 22:06.08 | rob_away | woodland, to see what is installed that containes the text mous |
| 22:06.13 | Gnea | dli: hrm |
| 22:06.32 | drasko | what does the useradd -M -s /sbin/nologin cvs mean exactly? what does -M option mean? |
| 22:06.47 | servus | bitshifty: ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake2/unix/ |
| 22:06.49 | ranDom | drasko, rtfm |
| 22:06.54 | ranDom | please |
| 22:06.56 | frumious-0 | dli: feh -FZ will give you full screen and autozoom |
| 22:07.00 | Gnea | dli: have you done a feh --help ? |
| 22:07.24 | kamaraju | woodland: What exactly are you trying to remove? |
| 22:07.28 | woodland | i got it, rob, actually name of mouspedometa is 'KODO' it appears when u open it |
| 22:07.37 | drasko | ranDom, did so, no mention of -M, only -m |
| 22:07.40 | woodland | hi kama |
| 22:07.45 | dli | Gnea, sure, couldn't figure out |
| 22:07.56 | kamaraju | woodland: Hi |
| 22:08.06 | dli | frumious-0, I will try that, in ~/.fehrc, I think |
| 22:08.25 | nvz | oh well I am off on a joyride.. enjoy the rest of sunday everyone :P |
| 22:08.27 | ranDom | drasko, you sure this swtich exists ? |
| 22:08.44 | dli | frumious-0, yes, it works |
| 22:09.00 | dli | frumious-0, how to disable generating feh- list files? |
| 22:09.14 | ranDom | nvz i am already on monday ... |
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| 22:09.32 | frumious-0 | dli: dunno |
| 22:09.41 | drasko | ranDom, yep, just did the command and linja did not complain |
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| 22:10.05 | dli | frumious-0, very boring feature, don't understand why somebody would make it as default |
| 22:10.10 | nvz | ranDom: lucky you ;) |
| 22:10.18 | GlingON | I'm trying to install a newer version of gcc but I'm not sure how to go about it. Using apt-get I seem to have the newest one. |
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| 22:10.42 | kamaraju | GlingON: Which distribution? Stable/testing/unstable? |
| 22:10.43 | servus | GlingON: Do a apt-cache search gcc- to see all available versions |
| 22:10.45 | woodland | hi, rob-away the command u sugested was great |
| 22:10.46 | nkuttler | GlingON: apt-cache search gcc | grep ^gcc |
| 22:10.51 | erikdrvn | I have a problem with installing either a intigrated sound card (an esssolo1) or a add in card (SB live); I'm running Debian version 3.1 when I try to play any sound it plays fine.. cept, no sound. |
| 22:11.08 | abrotman | raise the mixer levels |
| 22:11.12 | GlingON | I'm running on stable |
| 22:11.28 | rob_away | erikdrvn, also, try alsaconf |
| 22:11.41 | ranDom | drac, thats strange |
| 22:11.45 | rob_away | erikdrvn, and then as abrotman said, check alsamixer to make sure everything is unmuted and turned up |
| 22:11.46 | kamaraju | GlingON: What is the current version of gcc that you right now? |
| 22:11.55 | woodland | rob-away, that grep command is great man |
| 22:11.59 | erikdrvn | ok, thanks (I think I have already.. but I'm going to try again just to make sure) |
| 22:12.02 | GlingON | well, actually I don't know if I am, I as using a stable kernel but I had to put in a higher build. I have 3.3.6. |
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| 22:12.24 | Miles_Prower | Stew: updatedb finished, but java as a command does not work. |
| 22:12.31 | Miles_Prower | researching setting $path |
| 22:12.49 | stew | Miles_Prower: update-alternatives --config java |
| 22:12.58 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: did you use make-jpkg ? |
| 22:13.12 | rob_away | !tell Miles_Prower about java-package |
| 22:13.21 | stew | he has already packaged and installed a .deb |
| 22:13.29 | bgarcia | has anyone becides me been having problems with the new gutenprint drivers? |
| 22:13.40 | ranDom | well bye all |
| 22:13.44 | ranDom | good night |
| 22:13.45 | bgarcia | gimp-print was working fine until I upgraded |
| 22:13.45 | woodland | somebody sent me private message. how do i close that chat window, without closing this one |
| 22:13.46 | kamaraju | GlingON: stable has only gcc-3.4. That is the latest you can go with stable |
| 22:13.51 | erikdrvn | Apparently I didn't run that before.. it is seeing them now! THANKS!!!!!!!! |
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| 22:13.56 | Xylron | Just out of curiosity, when will amd64 get added to official sid/testing. |
| 22:14.03 | Xylron | s/./?/ |
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| 22:14.25 | kamaraju | GlingON: s/only/only upto |
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| 22:14.28 | nkuttler | woodland: what client? /help |
| 22:14.29 | bucky | the unofficial sid amd64 works pretty good |
| 22:15.17 | Gnea | bucky: it does? |
| 22:15.18 | halibut | in Kmix, it only takes a few steps to go from min to max volume, how can I make the volume bar less "sensitive"? |
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| 22:15.29 | Miles_Prower | Rob_away: I ALREADY DID THAT. |
| 22:15.34 | schnittn2005 | hello everybody |
| 22:15.39 | bucky | i haven't had one glitch with it |
| 22:15.52 | Gnea | bucky: what kind of system is it though? |
| 22:15.57 | drasko | anyway, can someone be more verbose and more kind about useradd -M -s /sbin/nologin anonymous, and explaing it to me, not saying rtfm? |
| 22:15.58 | kamaraju | halibut: How about aumix? |
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| 22:16.02 | GlingON | hmm... guess I'll get some unstables. |
| 22:16.10 | Xylron | bucky: I'm sure it does, but i see no reason for leaving it seperate right now. Unless we are waiting for the vancouver version of scc to be implemented, which was suposed to be on the day of sarge's release (based on the original message) |
| 22:16.11 | schnittn2005 | can someone help me with my debian 3.1? i have a problem with the graphics |
| 22:16.21 | bucky | Gnea, 939 pin winchester core |
| 22:16.21 | cartel_ | hey all |
| 22:16.27 | kamaraju | GlingON: Which gcc version do you want and why? |
| 22:16.31 | cartel_ | anyone know what is wrong with my nfs server |
| 22:16.39 | woodland | whois kamaraju |
| 22:16.45 | rob_away | Miles_Prower, ok, no need to yell, you'll wake my neighbors |
| 22:16.50 | cartel_ | i get the following error Exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon...172.20.20.3:/home: No such device |
| 22:17.47 | GlingON | kamaraju: i was trying to install something that needed something to be compiled with the same version of gcc that my kernel was compiled with |
| 22:18.21 | Miles_Prower | rob_away: I used the howto from debian.org's own page, one second for url... http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 |
| 22:18.39 | Miles_Prower | rob_away: Then, i did updatedb as instructed by stew, and it still does not work |
| 22:18.45 | cartel_ | could i be missing nfs device nodes? |
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| 22:18.53 | kamaraju | GlingON: I am having the exact problem in Sid. kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 seems to be compiled with older gcc and I need older gcc to compile modules for it. May be there is a better solution for this problem. |
| 22:19.16 | stew | Miles_Prower: updatedb should make your previous "locate java" actually find the java you just installed |
| 22:19.29 | stew | Miles_Prower: have you run update-alternatives yet? |
| 22:19.34 | Miles_Prower | Stew: No. |
| 22:19.39 | stew | ok i'll stop trying then |
| 22:19.41 | kamaraju | Miles_Prower: what do you get when you do /usr/bin/java? |
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| 22:20.41 | Miles_Prower | stew: I ran it, it has put out output that appears to be asking for commandline parameters. |
| 22:20.53 | rob_lt | Miles_Prower, or try this "locate java | grep bin" |
| 22:20.57 | kamaraju | Miles_Prower: or /usr/bin/java -version |
| 22:21.13 | Miles_Prower | rob_lt: I did that, paste is above. |
| 22:21.15 | kamaraju | rob_lt: He already did that. See archives |
| 22:21.21 | rob_lt | Miles_Prower, ok... looking |
| 22:21.23 | schnittn2005 | can someone help me with my debian 3.1? i have a problem with the graphics |
| 22:21.32 | stew | schnittn2005: you have to be more specific |
| 22:21.47 | schnittn2005 | oh.. sorry.. ill send you a pm, stew, ok? |
| 22:21.50 | stew | no |
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| 22:22.07 | schnittn2005 | its very confusing here in the room |
| 22:22.16 | kamaraju | schnittn2005: What is so secret about the problem :-)) |
| 22:22.37 | Gnea | schnittn2005: there's nothing confusing - just state the problem and someone who knows the answer will help |
| 22:22.51 | Gnea | Miles_Prower: already been done |
| 22:23.00 | Gnea | !rules |
| 22:23.00 | dpkg | i guess rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 22:23.01 | schnittn2005 | well... i installed debian today and i only have a resolution of 800x600. got a 17" display and a msi geforce fx 5200 |
| 22:23.04 | Miles_Prower | Gnea: schnittn2005 is complaining about the amount of things. |
| 22:23.05 | rob_lt | !tell schnittn2005 about drx |
| 22:23.15 | Miles_Prower | Gnea: schnittn2005 is complaining about the amount of chat, that is. |
| 22:23.37 | rob_lt | Miles_Prower, there are #debian-kde and some others |
| 22:23.46 | rob_lt | Miles_Prower, but most of the traffic is here |
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| 22:24.10 | rob_lt | fsck I hate doing laundry |
| 22:24.14 | Gnea | ok time to install the old cd burner |
| 22:24.24 | eutopia | stew: weird, I installed gnupg and it said installed! and when I type "gnupg", it says command not found! any ideas? |
| 22:24.37 | Miles_Prower | rob_lt i see now, there is a debian-java. I will go take this there then. |
| 22:24.42 | stew | eutopia: the binary is gpg |
| 22:24.56 | kamaraju | schnittn2005: which driver are you using? Which distribution are you using? |
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| 22:25.20 | schnittn2005 | oh.... |
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| 22:25.29 | schnittn2005 | debian 3.1, latest |
| 22:25.45 | schnittn2005 | nv driver, the one who came with the distr. |
| 22:25.49 | kamaraju | latest you mean sid or etch or sarge? |
| 22:25.55 | eutopia | stew: when I type it, all it says is gpg: Go ahead and type your message .. |
| 22:25.58 | schnittn2005 | sarge# |
| 22:26.02 | stew | eutopia: man gpg |
| 22:26.11 | eutopia | hehe ok |
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| 22:26.27 | kamaraju | do you have an nvidia card? |
| 22:26.32 | schnittn2005 | yeah |
| 22:26.43 | schnittn2005 | a msi geforce 5200, 128mb |
| 22:27.14 | kamaraju | sudo m-a prepare; sudo m-a update; sudo m-a a-i nvidia; and then use nvidia instead of nv for better graphics. nv driver is not that good. |
| 22:27.47 | schnittn2005 | i dont know what to do |
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| 22:28.38 | shingouz | schnittn2005: kamaraju just told you |
| 22:28.54 | stew | he shouldn't need a non-free driver just to get > svga resolution |
| 22:29.03 | shingouz | stew: true |
| 22:29.11 | shingouz | !tell schnittn2005 about drxx |
| 22:29.11 | comfrey | so i think hotplug is installing way too many modules on my laptop... |
| 22:29.19 | comfrey | is this a common problem? |
| 22:29.20 | abrotman | today is a long day |
| 22:29.37 | shingouz | abrotman: amen on that. caffeine for me. now |
| 22:29.39 | comfrey | do i just need to blacklist some of the ones that i dont want |
| 22:29.45 | abrotman | shingouz: you should sleep |
| 22:30.03 | nkuttler | comfrey: what modules? |
| 22:30.06 | shingouz | i did sleep abrotman |
| 22:30.06 | woodland | does 'dpkg' does the same function as 'apt-get' more or less |
| 22:30.16 | nkuttler | woodland: no |
| 22:30.17 | abrotman | apt-get is a frontend to dpkg |
| 22:30.18 | comfrey | all of these chipsets and such, ide stuffs |
| 22:30.20 | kamaraju | !tell kamaraju about drxx |
| 22:30.37 | amp | back from installing... when I type 'startx', I get an error that Cannot open device /dev/input/mice. However, a "file" by that name exists. Help? |
| 22:30.37 | shingouz | kamaraju: /msg dpkg foo ;) |
| 22:30.40 | woodland | abrot, what do u mean by frontend |
| 22:30.41 | comfrey | sis3313 via82cxxx serverworks |
| 22:30.45 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:30.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:30.47 | comfrey | and many more |
| 22:30.50 | abrotman | !apt-get |
| 22:30.50 | dpkg | [apt-get] the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me about ... |
| 22:31.20 | woodland | !apt-get |
| 22:31.20 | dpkg | methinks apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask ... |
| 22:31.32 | abrotman | !tell woodland about apt-get |
| 22:31.51 | nkuttler | !msg the bots |
| 22:31.51 | dpkg | Oi, nkuttler, message the bots, so you don't spam the channel. /msg apt foo. *snarl* Thankyou |
| 22:31.57 | comfrey | so that would be a hotplug thing no? |
| 22:32.56 | woodland | abrot i know abt apt-get, just didnt know the difference between it and dpkg |
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| 22:33.18 | comfrey | woodland: apt-get is a frontend to dpkg |
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| 22:33.29 | comfrey | gets and installs packages |
| 22:33.42 | comfrey | reads the package cache etc |
| 22:33.58 | patheticdude | hi, somebody with sarge have problems to install webmin? |
| 22:34.05 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 22:34.05 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 22:34.05 | nkuttler | comfrey: why don't you want these modules? |
| 22:34.21 | patheticdude | :o |
| 22:34.28 | comfrey | nkuttler: well all of those chipsets are not present in this here laptop |
| 22:34.39 | nixnatt | Is there a JRE for debian on SPARC ? I don't see one on the Sun site |
| 22:34.44 | comfrey | they are clogging up my kernelspace |
| 22:35.37 | amp | so how do I make X know about my mouse? It's a standard PS/2 wheel mouse. |
| 22:35.54 | nkuttler | comfrey: i don't think hotplug loads them if there is no need for them |
| 22:36.07 | nkuttler | comfrey: there should be entries in the logs |
| 22:36.11 | jnc | amp: probably by editing the config file for X, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (or possibly /etc/X11/xorg.conf) |
| 22:36.27 | nkuttler | amp: try mdetect |
| 22:36.43 | bucky | nixnatt, https://jsecom15k.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=1FF2DE74CB008C6CA0A3D67B1C2A3884 |
| 22:36.49 | jnc | nkuttler: is mdetect a mouse detection util? |
| 22:37.30 | amp | jnc: weird, mdetect says Timeout - AT keyboard not present? spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7 |
| 22:37.48 | outlaw84 | does anyone of you know what package you are suppose to get for kde 3.4.1? its all dead in #debian-kde so I am asking here |
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| 22:38.11 | jnc | amp: nothing to be alarmed about, i've seen that before |
| 22:38.12 | amp | the weird thing is... this was working on the same machine which previously had SUSE installed. |
| 22:38.25 | nkuttler | outlaw84: read /topic |
| 22:38.28 | drp | msg dpkg kde3.4 |
| 22:38.37 | nixnatt | bucky: i see linux-i586 or solaris-sparc but no linux-sparc |
| 22:38.43 | amp | jnc: so do you know what I should do? |
| 22:38.45 | jnc | amp: are you using a 2.4.x or 2.6.x linux kernel? |
| 22:39.09 | amp | Uhh... I _think_ 2.6. this is the latest stable debian net install |
| 22:39.13 | jnc | you'll get that info by doing 'uname -r' |
| 22:39.14 | bucky | nixnatt, wow.. i guess not, sorry |
| 22:39.40 | amp | well... I suppose it's 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 22:39.44 | jnc | heh |
| 22:39.47 | bucky | that would make sense tho.. sun wants solaris on sparc |
| 22:39.52 | jnc | try installing a 2.6.x kernel and rebooting |
| 22:39.57 | abrotman | !topicfsck outlaw84 |
| 22:40.05 | jnc | unless you have any objections to a newer kernel |
| 22:40.12 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 22:40.13 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 22:40.17 | abrotman | !topicsmite outlaw84 |
| 22:40.19 | amp | would that be like... apt-get install ??? |
| 22:40.20 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon outlaw84. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 22:40.20 | abrotman | wtf |
| 22:40.21 | drp | where do you set the hostname at in debian |
| 22:40.23 | bitshifty | is there an existing application for tty aim? |
| 22:40.29 | outlaw84 | nkuttler: thanks. althought the information was sad :/ |
| 22:40.40 | abrotman | bah .. someone fucking deleted it |
| 22:40.42 | deadcat | bitshifty: yes. hella. apt-cache search |
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| 22:40.55 | amp | no objection at all to new kernel... we like bleeding edge here. |
| 22:40.55 | jnc | amp: yep. i would suggest 'apt-cache search ^kernel-image-2.6' and then look at your options, then apt-get install the right one |
| 22:41.00 | nixnatt | bucky: please don't tell me i have to back to solaris :[ |
| 22:41.19 | deadcat | bitshifty: i use centericq, i assume your tty aim means console.. centericq is ncurse base |
| 22:41.23 | outlaw84 | I am using irssi and cant by default se the 1024 long topic okej! |
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| 22:41.39 | outlaw84 | so dont flame me for asking! |
| 22:41.53 | amp | yowza! many options |
| 22:41.55 | nkuttler | drp: man hostname, /etc/hostname |
| 22:42.00 | bucky | nixnatt, can you use gjc |
| 22:42.18 | drp | nkuttler: thanks |
| 22:43.02 | bitshifty | deadcat: so you use icq over aim? isn't icq much less secure of a chat system? |
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| 22:43.27 | amp | jnc: I found kernel-image-2.6-386... sounds like the right one to me. so I'm gonna do 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386'. does that sound right? |
| 22:43.31 | deadcat | bitshifty: centericq is the software name. it supports icq/aim/msn/yahoo/jabber/irc/shits |
| 22:43.50 | deadcat | bitshifty: and i dont chat about illegal shits so i have nothing to hide. |
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| 22:44.03 | bitshifty | deadcat: oh, i understand. |
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| 22:44.16 | abrotman | !tell outlaw84 about kde3.4 |
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| 22:45.12 | nixnatt | bucky: does gjc do all that suns jre does ? if so i will d/l and compile for sparc, thanks |
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| 22:45.16 | woodland | are dselect and apt-get both front ends for dpkg ? |
| 22:45.25 | deadcat | woodland: yes |
| 22:45.41 | bucky | nixnatt, i don't know.. you'll have to look into it for yourself |
| 22:45.55 | woodland | hi deadcat, what exactly is frontend |
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| 22:46.09 | deadcat | woodland: if you dont know why you ask? |
| 22:46.13 | bucky | woodland, a user interface |
| 22:46.27 | amp | kernel 2.6 installed... reboot in progress... |
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| 22:46.33 | woodland | deadcat, somebody told me that |
| 22:46.34 | deadcat | bucky: but dpkg IS user interface as well. (= |
| 22:46.39 | deadcat | woodland: ah. |
| 22:46.57 | bucky | deadcat, a user interface to what? :) |
| 22:47.01 | jabra | been working on a wireless tool I would like to get either some help with making a debian package or comments on would anyone be interested? |
| 22:47.06 | nixnatt | bucky: thanks i'm on it now |
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| 22:47.24 | woodland | deadcat, if apt-get is frontend, then why people use dpkg |
| 22:47.44 | nkuttler | woodland: because it's useful sometimes |
| 22:47.55 | meri | remember orchids away message - root is a woman or so - yaw |
| 22:47.55 | bucky | apt-get uses the network to retrieve packages |
| 22:47.58 | UFO | is there a command line mp3 player? |
| 22:48.07 | nkuttler | UFO: mpg123, mpg321, cplay |
| 22:48.10 | amp | saaaaay.... 2.6 is good!!!! mouse and X working now... jnc... you rock! |
| 22:48.12 | woodland | nkuttler, so dpkg, is superior to apt-get ? |
| 22:48.16 | UFO | thanx, nkuttler |
| 22:48.20 | nkuttler | woodland: man dpkg, man apt-get |
| 22:48.25 | jnc | amp: praise linus |
| 22:48.26 | woodland | lol |
| 22:48.33 | nkuttler | woodland: they are completely different |
| 22:48.37 | deadcat | woodland: try both any decide. |
| 22:48.50 | bucky | woodland, why is the sky blue? |
| 22:48.58 | deadcat | bucky: hes a gentoo user (= |
| 22:48.59 | amp | linux rocks too ... but he didn't help me here... thanks a kajillion |
| 22:49.18 | woodland | deadcat but we can install programs using both dpkg and apt-get |
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| 22:49.28 | amp | ... whoops... linus... did you ever notice there's only one letter difference? coincidence? |
| 22:49.39 | nkuttler | woodland: yes... somehow... now go rtfm, please :) |
| 22:49.43 | Gil_ | conspiracy! |
| 22:49.50 | deadcat | amp: what are you? stupid? |
| 22:49.51 | jnc | amp: he named it after himself, ja? |
| 22:49.58 | jnc | no surprise there |
| 22:49.59 | woodland | what is rtfm ,,,lol |
| 22:50.07 | nkuttler | !tell woodland about rtfm |
| 22:50.12 | amp | dc: sometimes... yes |
| 22:50.18 | amp | ;-) |
| 22:50.20 | deadcat | amp: cool. |
| 22:50.31 | Coag | i need some serious help |
| 22:50.41 | frumious-0 | jnc: actually someone else named it "Linux". Linus used the name "frexix" or similar initially. |
| 22:50.42 | Coag | why does my kernel keep disabling IRQ #11? |
| 22:50.43 | deadcat | Coag: good luck on sunday. (= |
| 22:50.46 | Coag | Message from syslogd@localhost at Sun Aug 21 15:07:08 2005 ... >> localhost kernel: Disabling IRQ #11 |
| 22:50.53 | Coag | that is my mous :/ |
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| 22:51.22 | jnc | frumious-0: oh. i could have sworn that he wrote that someone suggested linus' unix and he made that into linux |
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| 22:51.53 | bgarcia | quick question: anyone know a way to lock versions in apt-get like there is in synaptic? |
| 22:52.04 | nkuttler | Coag: look at dmesg output |
| 22:52.10 | nkuttler | bgarcia: /msg dpkg hold |
| 22:52.11 | deadcat | bgarcia: you mean hold? |
| 22:52.24 | bgarcia | oh that sounds like what I am looking for |
| 22:52.30 | frumious-0 | jnc: possible. I think the initial USENET announcment used "linux" so this is almost pre-history. |
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| 22:52.45 | drasko | I am trying to set u cvs server. I am just looking one article that says: create a file called "cvs" in "/etc/xinetd.d/". I cannot find that file in Debian... |
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| 22:53.03 | Gil_ | jnc: I think this was supposed to have occurred before he released Linux as 0.1 |
| 22:53.06 | jnc | frumious-0: back when they nailed embarassing kernel bugs up on the posts |
| 22:53.08 | Coag | nkuttler, :/ |
| 22:53.08 | bgarcia | nkuttler and deadcat: thanks |
| 22:53.11 | nkuttler | Coag: and lspci, try changing the irqs the offending device use |
| 22:53.21 | Coag | i see where it is but i dont understand it |
| 22:53.25 | deadcat | drasko: time to read the debian howto.. check /usr/share/doc/cvs |
| 22:53.25 | mrex | anybody use egroupware? having problems getting it to talk to mysql - it says it can't log in, although it manages to log in as root and create the account it's mean tto use. |
| 22:53.39 | jroes | how would I go about installing X after a minimal install? |
| 22:53.40 | nkuttler | Coag: could be two devices using the same interrupt |
| 22:53.46 | Coag | IRQ #11 is my USB mouse |
| 22:53.50 | nkuttler | jroes: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 22:53.55 | Coag | oh... |
| 22:53.56 | Gil_ | drasko: xinetd is an alternative to the more traditional inetd (which comes by default with Debian)... maybe you want to 'apt-get install xinetd' and then follow the instructions? |
| 22:54.00 | deadcat | jroes: apt-get install x-window-system-core xterm openbox |
| 22:54.01 | jnc | Coag: IRQ #11 is shared by like everything these days |
| 22:54.15 | Coag | well my mouse doesnt work again till i reboot |
| 22:54.20 | jroes | cool, thanks nklutter |
| 22:54.20 | cockroach | wihout the danger of being asked any further questions, just so that i can stop looking for a local configuration issue: is anyone else having trouble watching divx files with unstable's current vlc? |
| 22:54.23 | jroes | kuttler oops |
| 22:54.24 | Coag | and the video form my tv tuner is also out |
| 22:54.25 | jroes | :) |
| 22:54.41 | Gil_ | is anybody missing all their KDE menus with the latest unstable? :P |
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| 22:55.22 | kamaraju | Gil_: Someone reported that problem before. May be a transistion issue. |
| 22:55.41 | Gil_ | kamaraju: ya, I'm kinda just waiting until it's fixed.. I won't have a clue how to track down the problem :( |
| 22:55.49 | abrotman | woodland: don't do that |
| 22:55.49 | jnc | ctcp action? |
| 22:55.51 | jnc | wtf is that |
| 22:55.52 | deadcat | woodland: you motherfucker: 15:55 woodland [i=rahul@s28046213.temp.wsu.edu] requested unknown CTCP ACTION from #debian: |
| 22:55.55 | kamaraju | Gil_: They reported it on IRC. Dont know if there is bug filed. |
| 22:56.36 | jroes | doh |
| 22:56.41 | Gil_ | deadcat: my freakin' ears! |
| 22:56.50 | deadcat | Gil_: too freakin bad. |
| 22:56.54 | Gil_ | deadcat: wahhhh! |
| 22:56.57 | nkuttler | !fuck |
| 22:56.57 | dpkg | well, fuck is a wonderful, versatile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav |
| 22:57.02 | jnc | !this |
| 22:57.03 | dpkg | What? |
| 22:57.11 | jnc | dpkg: this is what you say after fuck |
| 22:57.11 | dpkg | jnc: what are you talking about? |
| 22:57.12 | jroes | nkuttler: can I redo what dpkg told me? it ran the video discovery process but I was sshed in (so it failed)... |
| 22:57.13 | jnc | bah |
| 22:57.24 | shingouz | !this |
| 22:57.24 | dpkg | What? |
| 22:57.46 | nkuttler | jroes: what's 'it'? |
| 22:57.54 | jroes | a long string of apt-get installs |
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| 22:58.33 | nkuttler | jroes: no need to... repeat the part that fails, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:58.33 | servus | What's the package name to upgrade libgl (as in OpenGL) development headers? |
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| 22:58.39 | jroes | oh ok |
| 22:58.47 | sombra | is there some file in debian that include only "Debian" or "Debian GNU/Linux"? |
| 22:59.22 | jcole | i upgraded one of my machines with a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 kernel that uses a prism2_usb (linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.27-2-686, /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/linux-wlan-ng/prism2_usb.o) module... i can't figure what the prism2_usb module equivalent is for 2.6... can someone point this out for me? all i can find is a prism54 module |
| 22:59.25 | nkuttler | sombra: hm? |
| 22:59.34 | mrex | servus: try apt-cache search libgl , look for -dev packages |
| 22:59.50 | eutopia | stew: i read the whole man, but how do you create a public key? i cant encrypt anything, it says missing public key |
| 23:00.10 | servus | Nothing relevant, mrew |
| 23:00.13 | servus | mrex* |
| 23:00.18 | deadcat | jcole: recompile the driver again for 2.6 |
| 23:00.20 | eutopia | stew: encryption failed: public key not found! But I created a secret key already |
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| 23:00.25 | sombra | nkuttler, I said. I want scripts to se if it's debian |
| 23:00.28 | deadcat | !tell jcole about compile wlan-ng |
| 23:00.32 | eutopia | stew: doesnt it encrypt to my secret key? |
| 23:00.35 | Gil_ | eutopia: you need *their* public key to encrypt |
| 23:00.46 | eutopia | Gil_: but I want to encrypt files to myself |
| 23:00.49 | sombra | nkuttler, if it's not the complain, smart huh =) |
| 23:00.55 | zinx | eutopia: then you need your public key |
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| 23:01.04 | nkuttler | sombra: hm, try /etc/debian_version, but it still can be knoppix |
| 23:01.08 | jcole | deadcat: no, i didn't compile it, i just apt-get installed linux-wlan-ng-modules and it worked in 2.4 |
| 23:01.08 | eutopia | jesus: can you please change your nick |
| 23:01.17 | zinx | eutopia: you encrypt with the public key, and decrypt with the secret key |
| 23:01.25 | deadcat | jcole: then search it for 2.6 |
| 23:01.26 | nkuttler | eutopia: why? |
| 23:01.26 | sombra | nkuttler, I've used /etc/debian_version all day |
| 23:01.29 | zinx | eutopia: you sign with the secret key, and verify the signature with the public key |
| 23:01.30 | deadcat | jcole: i doubt they have it. |
| 23:01.36 | sombra | nkuttler, but it only say 3.1 |
| 23:01.49 | eutopia | i want to encrypt some personal files! |
| 23:01.52 | sombra | nkuttler, and as you said, it can still be knoppix or something else |
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| 23:02.03 | Gil_ | eutopia: Jesus is a common name in Hispanic countries! |
| 23:02.14 | deadcat | jcole: i always compile the linux-wlan-ng driver myself. since that 2.4.27 is the only version that debian has |
| 23:02.16 | Teknoenie | is anyone aware of a program to convert .mdf(s) files to isos? |
| 23:02.22 | Phated | eutopia: So use gpg, it's not hard. |
| 23:02.24 | Teknoenie | or how to mount them loop |
| 23:02.29 | nkuttler | sombra: well, you can't really be sure, there are so many derived distros |
| 23:02.37 | deadcat | Teknoenie: man mount |
| 23:02.38 | eutopia | Gil_: I want to encrypt some personal files to myself! but it always says: encryption failed: public key not found! |
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| 23:02.48 | Gil_ | eutopia: are you using gpg? |
| 23:02.49 | eutopia | Gil_: I already created a sefret key |
| 23:02.58 | eutopia | Gil_: yes |
| 23:03.03 | Gil_ | eutopia: gpg --list-keys |
| 23:03.06 | Coag | ok si there a way to reenable a IRQ after its been disabled by the kernel? |
| 23:03.12 | Coag | without rebooting? |
| 23:03.14 | Teknoenie | deadcat: i know how to mount images loop.. but i didn't see anything about .mdf files |
| 23:03.15 | PerfDave | eutopia: You don't create secret keys or public keys, you create *pairs* of keys. |
| 23:03.20 | jnc | Coag: holy penguin pee |
| 23:03.23 | eutopia | Gil_: when I type "gpg --list-keys" it shows my key |
| 23:03.23 | deadcat | Teknoenie: oh |
| 23:03.28 | Gil_ | eutopia: ok, cool |
| 23:03.34 | jnc | Coag: no, not that i know of |
| 23:03.36 | jesus | algun español o k able esta lengua? |
| 23:03.37 | Coag | jnc, taste good? O.o |
| 23:03.44 | jnc | less filling |
| 23:03.45 | nkuttler | !fuck is also http://libsyn.com/media/thewordnerds/TWN-2005-05-28.mp3 |
| 23:03.45 | Teknoenie | i need something similar to nrg2iso but for mdf files |
| 23:03.47 | nkuttler | !es |
| 23:03.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:03.53 | Gil_ | eutopia: when you do gpg --encrypt, what does it say? |
| 23:03.55 | eutopia | Gil_: but if I type "gpg -e filename" it always says: encryption failed: public key not found! |
| 23:03.56 | nkuttler | hm... |
| 23:04.11 | jnc | nkuttler: !? |
| 23:04.16 | jesus | gracias |
| 23:04.20 | nkuttler | jnc: ?! |
| 23:04.22 | eutopia | Gil_: It says: encryption failed: public key not found |
| 23:04.28 | Teknoenie | found it http://freshmeat.net/redir/mdf2iso/54376/url_deb/mdf2iso_0.3.0-2_i386.deb |
| 23:04.30 | sombra | deadcat, do you know if there is some file in debian that include only "Debian" or "Debian GNU/Linux" so I can let's script identiy the OS before they be executed? |
| 23:04.39 | jesus | sabes donde conseguir el winex gratis? k no sea p2p? |
| 23:04.39 | Gil_ | eutopia: ok, try gpg -r "your@email.address" -e <filename> |
| 23:04.54 | Guerin | sombra: why on earth would you want to do that? |
| 23:05.02 | deadcat | sombra: /etc/debian_version |
| 23:05.06 | nkuttler | sombra: is it still debian if i have unofficial packages? why don't you just ask the user? |
| 23:05.09 | Coag | jesus, tu debes ir al #debian-es |
| 23:05.12 | Coag | :/ |
| 23:05.16 | Guerin | deadcat: every debian-based distro has that |
| 23:05.26 | deadcat | Guerin: then hes fucked. |
| 23:05.30 | bitshifty | deadcat: i setup centericq with my username and password, but for some reason it won't connect. have you had this error before? |
| 23:05.30 | eutopia | Gil_: I tried that and it still says" encryption failed: public key not found |
| 23:05.44 | PerfDave | Don't some non-Debian distributions have /etc/debian_version too? |
| 23:05.46 | bgarcia | deadcat: I tried the hold flag, but I'm still trying to upgrade the package. The problem, i think is that it has a new name |
| 23:05.49 | jnc | eutopia: is gpg installed? |
| 23:05.52 | deadcat | bitshifty: no but my friend has the same problem. i told him because aim dont like him |
| 23:05.52 | Guerin | PerfDave: 1 |
| 23:05.59 | eutopia | jnc: LOL! yes dude |
| 23:06.04 | bgarcia | deadcat: I want to keep gimp-print 4, but it wants to install gutenprint 5 |
| 23:06.08 | deadcat | bgarcia: hold works fine here. |
| 23:06.18 | Seb | deadcat, bitshifty: AIM doesn't wanna connect with centericq for me either, since recently |
| 23:06.25 | jesus | Please do you give me the winex? |
| 23:06.31 | sombra | nkuttler, well I was thinking of that but it would be cooler to if the script did this automatically |
| 23:06.39 | eutopia | Gil_: any ideas? |
| 23:06.40 | shingouz | jesus: no warez here |
| 23:06.42 | deadcat | Seb: what did you guys do to their services? (= |
| 23:06.49 | jesus | sorry |
| 23:06.50 | servus | Looks like Debian doesn't come with proper OpenGL dev, but only Mesa? |
| 23:06.52 | Gil_ | eutopia: no idea man, try google :( |
| 23:06.59 | Coag | jesus, tu necesitas ganar dinero por winex |
| 23:07.00 | Pryon | Hmmm. I tried moving my public keyring and gpg doesn't say anything like "public key not found" |
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| 23:07.01 | Seb | deadcat: heh |
| 23:07.06 | dob1 | hi |
| 23:07.06 | Coag | wow |
| 23:07.06 | deadcat | jesus: winex is not free. go steel them somewhere else |
| 23:07.12 | eutopia | Gil_: seems gpg is very very buggy |
| 23:07.12 | Coag | i speak spanish horrible |
| 23:07.14 | sombra | nkuttler, what are you meaning bu unoficcial packages? |
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| 23:07.20 | jesus | yes winex no free :( |
| 23:07.21 | sombra | by* |
| 23:07.22 | shingouz | Coag: better than i do |
| 23:07.24 | bitshifty | that is odd. |
| 23:07.26 | Coag | :P |
| 23:07.28 | dob1 | if i want to execute a script after ppp0 comes up i have to put it in /etc/ppp/if-up.d ? |
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| 23:07.35 | Coag | im going into spanish two |
| 23:07.37 | Coag | =P |
| 23:07.37 | deadcat | jesus: then dont complain. if you cant afford it. dont use it |
| 23:07.49 | nkuttler | sombra: manm you don't know what unofficial packages are? |
| 23:07.49 | Guerin | jesus: use cedega-cvs |
| 23:07.58 | Coag | jesus, no |
| 23:08.01 | sombra | nkuttler, sure I do |
| 23:08.12 | jesus | si pero very dificul |
| 23:08.29 | sombra | nkuttler, but you still have /etc/debian_version, right |
| 23:08.36 | Pryon | eutopia: Let me get this straight. When you attempt to encrypt a file to yourself, it doesn't ask you for a user ID? |
| 23:08.36 | deadcat | just like those lame bitches that makes their workspace look like a fucking Mac. i KNOW its not a fucking Mac.. |
| 23:08.37 | nkuttler | sombra: i have that on knoppix as well |
| 23:08.47 | Gil_ | dob1: look at the script /etc/ppp/ip-up, it gives a good explanation in the comments |
| 23:08.55 | sombra | nkuttler, /etc/debian_version? |
| 23:08.57 | Coag | jesus, ¿Porque tu necesitas winex? |
| 23:09.01 | jesus | I amateur linux :P |
| 23:09.02 | nkuttler | you can't make linux look like a mac |
| 23:09.14 | jnc | yea |
| 23:09.14 | jesus | para jugar a juegos |
| 23:09.22 | Coag | jesus, ah ok |
| 23:09.25 | jnc | but you can boot OS X on athlon64 hardware |
| 23:09.27 | jnc | ;) |
| 23:09.41 | jnc | i tried that out, was mildly amusing |
| 23:09.45 | jesus | yo me acabo de pasar de win y estoy perdido xD |
| 23:09.54 | sombra | nkuttler, then I follow your advise and stick with questiones |
| 23:09.57 | nkuttler | jesus: go to #debian-es |
| 23:10.03 | Coag | jesus, winex es muy mal para jugar a juegos |
| 23:10.05 | nkuttler | sombra: why does it even matter? |
| 23:10.05 | jroes | hmn |
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| 23:10.09 | PerfDave | You can make Linux look like MacOS, but why the hell would you want to? |
| 23:10.12 | jesus | si estoy en ello |
| 23:10.19 | jesus | si pero k es mejor? |
| 23:10.19 | Gil_ | PerfDave: here here! |
| 23:10.22 | shingouz | jesus: #debian-es |
| 23:10.23 | dob1 | Gil_: thanks |
| 23:10.24 | jesus | sedega? |
| 23:10.27 | nkuttler | PerfDave: um, no, you can't, really |
| 23:10.27 | eutopia | Gil_: what command did you use to create a secret and public key? |
| 23:10.28 | zentagious | lol |
| 23:10.28 | Coag | cedega |
| 23:10.33 | zentagious | fuck a mac |
| 23:10.33 | ix | is there any way of controlling bass/treble from within alsamixer? |
| 23:10.39 | sombra | nkuttler, just a detail |
| 23:10.39 | eutopia | Pryon: im starting again |
| 23:10.40 | jroes | I ran through what dpkg has for setting up x, but "startx" doesn't work |
| 23:10.41 | jesus | amh yeah ok |
| 23:10.44 | jnc | ix: depends on your hardware |
| 23:10.45 | jroes | did I miss something? |
| 23:10.48 | eutopia | Pryon: what command did you use to create a secret and public key? |
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| 23:10.51 | nightmaster | hello |
| 23:10.52 | ix | jnc: intel8x0-card |
| 23:10.53 | Coag | nkuttler, i disagree |
| 23:10.55 | jnc | ix: most sound devices, no |
| 23:11.00 | Gil_ | eutopia: gpg --gen-key |
| 23:11.00 | Pryon | eutopia: I thought you said you read the man page |
| 23:11.03 | Coag | nkuttler, if i can make windows look like osx i can make linux |
| 23:11.04 | jnc | ix: on audigy i know it's there, in example |
| 23:11.10 | PerfDave | nkuttler: Oh, I guess it must just have been a figment of my fucking imagination then, you tosser. |
| 23:11.15 | ix | hmmm... |
| 23:11.21 | black13 | and a deb file be arbitrarly unpackaged to a specific directory? |
| 23:11.23 | ix | looks like I have to go for jack :/ |
| 23:11.23 | zentagious | window blinds |
| 23:11.29 | eutopia | Pryon: I did, for last 1 hour |
| 23:11.31 | nightmaster | hello |
| 23:11.33 | Coag | zentagious, that doesnt count |
| 23:11.36 | zentagious | but windows sux |
| 23:11.38 | Coag | i mean full mac osx |
| 23:11.39 | zentagious | lol |
| 23:11.43 | eutopia | Pryon: I read the man, but it seems somerhing went wrong when I created keys |
| 23:11.49 | shingouz | !tell nightmaster about ask |
| 23:11.52 | PerfDave | jroes: You didn't install the package providing startx? |
| 23:11.58 | jroes | I'm not sure |
| 23:12.01 | nkuttler | PerfDave: ah, i'll just turn on my keyboard backlight, poser |
| 23:12.02 | jesus | Coag Thank you for your help :) |
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| 23:12.06 | jroes | xserver-xfree86 doesn't install it? |
| 23:12.09 | ix | thanks, jnc |
| 23:12.11 | Guerin | jroes: nope. |
| 23:12.15 | nightmaster | i just wanna say hi |
| 23:12.16 | jroes | doh |
| 23:12.19 | Mark62756 | hello :D |
| 23:12.20 | jroes | what else do I need besides apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:12.21 | Guerin | jroes: x-window-system-core |
| 23:12.28 | Coag | jesus, sure |
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| 23:12.39 | Mark62756 | can anyone tell me how to stop a service such as MTA or apache from launching at boot? |
| 23:12.42 | PerfDave | nkuttler: Heh, I have a nice old-school DIN keyboard which you can bludgeon people to death with ;) |
| 23:12.43 | Guerin | jroes: that line only works if you've already installed a bunch of other x stuff |
| 23:12.46 | eutopia | Gil_: and what type of key did you chose? RSA? |
| 23:12.54 | PerfDave | Mark62756: update-rc.d but your system may break if you have no MTA running. |
| 23:12.56 | jroes | are you serious? |
| 23:13.01 | nightmaster | im just thinking of switching to debian |
| 23:13.05 | Mark62756 | peet_: it will? |
| 23:13.08 | Mark62756 | oops |
| 23:13.10 | shingouz | Mark62756: man update-rc.d and you should not do that to an mta |
| 23:13.12 | Guerin | jroes: no, i'm trying out for stand-up comedy |
| 23:13.13 | Mark62756 | PerfDave: it will? |
| 23:13.17 | PerfDave | nightmaster: Dooo it :) |
| 23:13.17 | quiron33 | pleas, anyone can tell me how to mount a ext3 filesystem that normal users can read and write ? |
| 23:13.19 | zentagious | linux is far more customizable then windows so why would i want ti to look like anything other then what it is |
| 23:13.24 | nightmaster | why |
| 23:13.28 | Gil_ | eutopia: no, you can only use that to sign messages |
| 23:13.31 | jroes | I mean, I did a minimal install and decided just recently that I want to install X (ok, well, my beginner friend wants to check it out) |
| 23:13.39 | Gil_ | eutopia: you should choose DSA and Elgamal |
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| 23:13.44 | jnc | zentagious: s/linux/gnu\/linux/ |
| 23:13.50 | jnc | quit trolling |
| 23:13.50 | PerfDave | Mark62756: It may do. *nix systems need an MTA, but I don't necessarily think you need one running as a daemon if you have the sendmail-esque binary installed. |
| 23:13.55 | Guerin | x-window-system-core is the minimum you need to run a local x environment |
| 23:14.09 | jroes | but I never use X so I don't know what all is required. I install the packages dpkg had listed, ran the setup... so x-window-system-core should get it going from there? |
| 23:14.10 | *** mode/#debian [+l 723] by debhelper |
| 23:14.12 | zentagious | give your newbe friend a copy of simply mepis |
| 23:14.18 | zentagious | i gave it to a friend of mine |
| 23:14.22 | zentagious | and they love it |
| 23:14.31 | Guerin | zentagious: with friends like you, who needs enemies? |
| 23:14.32 | Mark62756 | PerfDave: hmm never had an MTA on oother distros :/ |
| 23:14.34 | zentagious | they can boot it from cd |
| 23:14.43 | Guerin | Mark62756: you did, you just didn't realise it. |
| 23:14.43 | PerfDave | Mark62756: I bet you did. |
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| 23:15.02 | djperegrine | how do you install .deb packages again? |
| 23:15.04 | zentagious | see if they like it |
| 23:15.07 | zentagious | lo |
| 23:15.08 | PerfDave | djperegrine: dpkg --install |
| 23:15.11 | djperegrine | thanks |
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| 23:15.14 | Guerin | djperegrine: aptitude install <packagename> |
| 23:15.28 | zentagious | cause i dont want to go to thier house after they fuck shit up to reinstall everything if they hate linux |
| 23:15.29 | Mark62756 | PerfDave: the reason i'm asking is cuz it takes forever to boot becuase when it looks for an MTA or something.. it like hangs for a long time saying MTA: then later it will say exim4 or whatever |
| 23:15.36 | zentagious | lol |
| 23:16.03 | PerfDave | Mark62756: That's because you don't have a network connection at boot. It's trivial to fix - just "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and pay attention to the DNS lookup question at the end. |
| 23:16.08 | eutopia | Gil_: i created keys again and this time it worked proper! seems first time something wenbt wrong |
| 23:16.15 | SimonRaven | fix your dns |
| 23:16.17 | eutopia | Pryon: i created keys again and this time it worked proper! seems first time something wenbt wrong |
| 23:16.19 | Mark62756 | PerfDave: ahh! right |
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| 23:16.22 | Gil_ | eutopia: probably you chose an RSA key the first time |
| 23:16.36 | Guerin | Mark62756: that's because your dns isn't up on boot. If you dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and choose 'dns lookups on demand' or somesuch, it won't pause there.. |
| 23:16.48 | Guerin | PerfDave: we are in choon |
| 23:16.48 | eutopia | Gil_: this time I chose DSA and Elgamal |
| 23:16.49 | Shamu | mwilson are you here? |
| 23:16.55 | Mark62756 | kk thanks Guerin and PerfDave :) |
| 23:17.06 | PerfDave | Guerin: Scary isn't it? |
| 23:17.13 | SimonRaven | there's something to be said for running your own functional authoritative NSes ;) |
| 23:17.18 | Gil_ | eutopia: yes, that is the only selection in GPG that allows you to both sign and encrypt with the same keypair |
| 23:17.45 | PerfDave | SimonRaven: There's something to be said for always-on Internet connectivity too ;) |
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| 23:18.21 | SimonRaven | oh for sure ;). the one pretty much depends on the other ;) |
| 23:18.24 | eutopia | Gil_: ok thanks |
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| 23:19.22 | eutopia | Gil_: :) |
| 23:19.53 | jroes | can I run the dpkg-reconfigure for xserver and overwrite defaults? |
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| 23:20.09 | jroes | I remember reading that it will use whatever I had in there before as default, but I want it to autodetect again |
| 23:20.10 | PerfDave | SimonRaven: To be honest, I always turn off boot-time DNS in exim anyway. |
| 23:20.11 | Rawplayer | y4e jroes |
| 23:20.15 | Rawplayer | yes jroes |
| 23:20.22 | PerfDave | jroes: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 23:20.22 | jroes | cool |
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| 23:20.36 | SimonRaven | i need it on |
| 23:20.58 | eutopia | Gil_: I give up, it still says encryption failed: public key not found! But it also says I have the keys! so its bugged out on me! Oh well, we tried :P |
| 23:20.59 | two|face | hey is there an issue in debian that prevents reading from files using streams? |
| 23:21.05 | traumator | I don't know what's happening. i can't change those icons on the gnome panel ? |
| 23:21.28 | jnc | btw, eutopia is a troll i think, judge for yourself a privmsg conversation between he and i: http://pastebin.com/342636 |
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| 23:22.03 | Guerin | two|face: no. |
| 23:22.05 | Gil_ | is anybody a LaTeX expert? #LaTeX is dead! :( |
| 23:22.06 | eutopia | Gil_: when I type "gpg --list-keys" it says: pub 1024D/FC8C868D 2005-08-22 |
| 23:22.17 | Guerin | (that was a guess based on what i think you think you mean) |
| 23:22.29 | eutopia | Gil_: notice I have a pub key, so why does it say: encryption failed: public key not found? |
| 23:22.39 | Gil_ | eutopia: use -r to specify the correct key |
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| 23:22.50 | rob_lt | Gil_, not an expert, but I've used it once or twice |
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| 23:23.14 | eutopia | Gil_: gpg --encrypt -r produces same result |
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| 23:23.24 | Gil_ | eutopia: man gpg for christ's sake :) |
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| 23:23.36 | rob_lt | Gil_, what are you trying to do in latex? |
| 23:23.56 | Gil_ | rob_lt: I want to draw a little "warning" box with a postscript figure inside it, to draw the reader's attention to important details |
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| 23:23.57 | eutopia | Gil_: I read it and followed it, but it seems its buggy |
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| 23:24.58 | nkuttler | Gil_: um, purchase the latex companion, it really is a great book |
| 23:25.16 | shingouz | jnc: heh |
| 23:25.22 | rob_lt | Leslie Lamport's book is also good |
| 23:26.05 | Gil_ | nkuttler: ok, will do |
| 23:26.29 | rob_lt | Gil_, well, you can \usepackage{graphicx} for graphics, and I'm not sure if you can put graphics inside an fbox, but it might be possible... let me try to hack something up |
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| 23:26.36 | jnc | shingouz: then again it might just be a young person |
| 23:26.39 | jnc | i don't know |
| 23:26.41 | scarynetworkguy | jnc: He may very well be a troll. But you do know that password recovery is dead easy, right? And not even needed to read data off of a HDD that you have physical control of? |
| 23:27.00 | jnc | scarynetworkguy: well, duh. i do that all the time |
| 23:27.16 | jnc | recovered 10,000+ photos off my dad's supposedly encrypted NTFS partition |
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| 23:27.23 | rob_lt | Gil_, do you want something like bullets? Where do you want the ps icon to appear? |
| 23:27.23 | alistair | howdy |
| 23:27.40 | Gil_ | rob_lt: perhaps in the margin next to a paragraph |
| 23:27.43 | jnc | stupid windows chkdisk copied the FAT all over the place, there were 192 copies of the table when i got to the hard disk |
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| 23:27.52 | jnc | he'd been running chkdisk to fix it over and over again |
| 23:27.54 | rob_lt | Gil_, ok, let me try... but no promises :) |
| 23:27.55 | jnc | each time made it worse |
| 23:27.55 | scarynetworkguy | jnc: From what you said in that paste it looks like you think password recovery is a hard thing... |
| 23:27.57 | linuxbomb | I haven't got X to run on debian yet I've tried on a nvidia card and an intel card, does anyone have any tips ..I thought that the vesa driver would work for either |
| 23:28.00 | Gil_ | rob_lt: thanks for this :) |
| 23:28.09 | jnc | scarynetworkguy: not hard, i just said it like it is man |
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| 23:28.30 | jnc | you'd need access to the crypt hash and then bruteforce or dictionary attack on it |
| 23:28.32 | nkuttler | linuxbomb: what's error do you get? |
| 23:28.33 | scarynetworkguy | # |
| 23:28.33 | scarynetworkguy | 8:16 <jnc> i doubt it, not without a decent crackerjack machine and a weak |
| 23:28.33 | scarynetworkguy | # |
| 23:28.35 | scarynetworkguy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:28.37 | polluxx | hello folks |
| 23:28.41 | alistair | jnc, cracker :) |
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| 23:28.47 | jnc | yeah |
| 23:28.49 | linuxbomb | ee no screens found |
| 23:28.49 | jnc | quit flooding |
| 23:28.54 | scarynetworkguy | Damn, thought that was one line. Sorry. |
| 23:28.58 | alistair | jnc |
| 23:29.03 | nkuttler | !tell linuxbomb about errors |
| 23:29.03 | shingouz | !tell linuxbomb about no screens found |
| 23:29.04 | scarynetworkguy | jnc: Anyway that is *wrong*. |
| 23:29.05 | alistair | got any copys of cs 1.0 or no steam versions? |
| 23:29.15 | PerfDave | linuxbomb: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 23:29.19 | jnc | i'm not saying you can't reset root's password or something |
| 23:29.29 | jnc | i am saying to get the actual password, you'd need to crack it |
| 23:29.42 | polluxx | can anyone help me? i try to install nvidia drivers and i have to exit x-server and kill all x-applications befor i can install it. does anyone know how that works? |
| 23:29.46 | jnc | which is not simple to do, even with powerful machines like we have today |
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| 23:29.54 | PerfDave | polluxx: How are you installing the nvidia drivers? |
| 23:30.00 | scarynetworkguy | *sigh* What a fucking moron. |
| 23:30.08 | polluxx | i have a script from the nvidia site |
| 23:30.22 | PerfDave | polluxx: Don't use that script, it will fuck your system |
| 23:30.23 | polluxx | it has the suffix .run |
| 23:30.25 | PerfDave | polluxx: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 23:30.40 | polluxx | hm? |
| 23:30.47 | polluxx | dave what do you mean?# |
| 23:30.55 | PerfDave | polluxx: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 23:31.02 | polluxx | what does that mean? |
| 23:31.03 | PerfDave | polluxx: Type it into your IRC client |
| 23:31.29 | jnc | scarynetworkguy: privmsg |
| 23:31.49 | alistair | Download nVdidia drivers from the site, open up terminal and type /etc/init/d/gdm, then login as root on the CLI and type sh graphicscarddriverfilename here (remember to CD to the directory first), make sure you havve 2.6 kernel headers before you continue |
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| 23:32.17 | PerfDave | alistair: No, don't use the nVidia drivers from nVidia's site, they break Debian (and other package-managed) systems |
| 23:32.48 | alistair | i have used them from the site on my machine and it is running fine |
| 23:32.52 | PerfDave | alistair: No, it's not. |
| 23:32.56 | polluxx | dave? |
| 23:33.01 | jnc | djperegrine: is 'dj' your name or a reference to music |
| 23:33.08 | PerfDave | alistair: It now has an internal discrepancy which will cause your system to break when certain packages are upgraded. |
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| 23:33.11 | PerfDave | polluxx? |
| 23:33.13 | scarynetworkguy | jnc: DO NOT FUCKING MSG ME EVER!! |
| 23:33.22 | jnc | ... |
| 23:33.25 | polluxx | may i pm you for some questions? |
| 23:33.28 | gravity | geez... calm down |
| 23:33.30 | jnc | yeah |
| 23:33.32 | PerfDave | polluxx: I'd rather you just asked in channel. |
| 23:33.38 | jnc | that's way over-reacting, IMO |
| 23:33.40 | Gil_ | note to self... do not msg scarynetworkguy |
| 23:33.51 | eutopia | Gil_: i worked it out! it works now |
| 23:33.53 | polluxx | ok.. so. at first id like to konow how to exit the x sever |
| 23:33.54 | polluxx | sever |
| 23:34.03 | Gil_ | eutopia: yay, congratulations |
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| 23:34.13 | PerfDave | polluxx: You don't need to exit the X server. You shouldn't use the script that you've downloaded from nVidia, it will break your system. |
| 23:34.21 | jnc | bug up his ass, i just wanted to ask him what example he had for retreival of a user account password without using /etc/shadow or a cracker |
| 23:34.21 | polluxx | when i choose logout, i get to the login-screen and there is no option to close x |
| 23:34.24 | eutopia | Gil_: all I had to do was to --edit-key and ADD subkey |
| 23:34.27 | alistair | polluxx, type /etc/init.d/gdm that will stop the x server |
| 23:34.38 | PerfDave | polluxx: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 23:34.39 | eutopia | Gil_: just letting you know for future reference |
| 23:34.42 | polluxx | i konw but id like to konw some basic acations |
| 23:34.51 | alistair | polluxx, i mentioned ealier |
| 23:34.51 | shingouz | alistair: you are telling pollux to break his system now |
| 23:34.56 | alistair | I am not! |
| 23:35.00 | nkuttler | jnc: _you_ sound like a troll |
| 23:35.01 | alistair | I use that command to exit my X-Server |
| 23:35.01 | shingouz | alistair: yes you are |
| 23:35.05 | alistair | no i am not. |
| 23:35.08 | polluxx | hm.. well |
| 23:35.22 | shingouz | alistair: using the script off the nvidia site will fsck debian up |
| 23:35.23 | Gil_ | are too x 10! |
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| 23:35.26 | polluxx | i tried to get the nvidia-kernel-source but it said that it cnt find it |
| 23:35.29 | alistair | not .dl, .d. |
| 23:35.30 | PerfDave | polluxx: Which display manager are you using? In kdm, you use "Console Login" from the kdm screen to get a console login. Or you can use Ctrl-Alt-F1 to reach a text terminal. |
| 23:35.36 | jnc | nkuttler: ex-troll |
| 23:35.40 | PerfDave | polluxx: Did you follow the instructions that dpkg gave you? |
| 23:35.42 | alistair | it is /etc/ini.d/gdm... |
| 23:35.47 | jnc | now i follow logic and all is well again |
| 23:35.49 | somePriest | What docs are recommend for install kernels the Debian-way (getting kernel-images from mirrors, what exactly needs to be done after said point, dealing with modules, etc)? |
| 23:36.00 | nkuttler | let's go troll at #gentoo :D |
| 23:36.04 | jnc | hah |
| 23:36.07 | shingouz | somePriest: /msg dpkg kp |
| 23:36.10 | jnc | you know Andy (trelane) ? |
| 23:36.10 | polluxx | hm |
| 23:36.10 | PerfDave | somePriest: "apt-cache search kernel-image", install one |
| 23:36.10 | abrotman | nkuttler: don't |
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| 23:36.17 | nkuttler | abrotman: heh, just kidding |
| 23:36.27 | polluxx | no i cant understand them yet |
| 23:36.29 | jnc | abrotman: relax, i'm a Gentoo dev |
| 23:36.33 | jnc | it's sort of a regular joke |
| 23:36.37 | somePriest | PerfDave : Does that update all the modules for that version, does it update grub, etc? |
| 23:36.55 | abrotman | jnc: i'm sure gentoo is a joke .. but could we not conspire to troll the gentoo channel? |
| 23:37.04 | nkuttler | once in #gentoo i saw them say let's troll at #debian... and they did |
| 23:37.04 | PerfDave | somePriest: that installs a kernel-image package, whcih contains the kernel and its modules. It updates your bootloader as well. |
| 23:37.11 | shingouz | abrotman: you need caffeine :) |
| 23:37.14 | abrotman | nkuttler: it's happened more than once |
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| 23:37.19 | abrotman | shingouz: i actually need food |
| 23:37.34 | shingouz | abrotman: apt-get install pizza? |
| 23:37.41 | gravity | A lot of gentoo trolls for some reason |
| 23:37.45 | abrotman | shingouz: not today .. i had it over the weekend |
| 23:37.51 | Gil_ | distribution envy |
| 23:37.54 | kainer | i'm having problems installing latest stable 3.1 with a p4c800deluxe mobo |
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| 23:38.01 | shingouz | abrotman: install non-pizza then? |
| 23:38.01 | abrotman | kainer: problem how? |
| 23:38.19 | somePriest | PerfDave : And the kernel-image I suppose is a compiled kernel (I would assume)? Or just sources? I think I've heard that its a compiled kernel where more or less everything is installed as a module in the kernel? |
| 23:38.20 | Withdraw | am i able to install knoppix on a loop-aes fs? |
| 23:38.20 | kainer | after the installation has finished and the system boots for the 1st time |
| 23:38.35 | nkuttler | Withdraw: ask #knoppix |
| 23:38.42 | PerfDave | somePriest: A kernel-image is a compiled kernel, plus modules. |
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| 23:38.49 | shingouz | somePriest: do you have some real exotic hardware there? if not, just use the debian kernels. easier and safer |
| 23:38.49 | Withdraw | no one is alive, but thanks |
| 23:38.54 | abrotman | shingouz: invalid sources .... |
| 23:39.00 | rob_lt | Gil_, something like this? http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3QEHF2ZJNAP0L0AFUKZF6W63YD |
| 23:39.03 | kainer | i keep recieving an error saying disabling irq |
| 23:39.04 | PerfDave | somePriest: Debian-provided kernels are highly modular, which means that they only load what your system requires, making them nice and lean. |
| 23:39.07 | shingouz | abrotman: hehe |
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| 23:39.16 | abrotman | shingouz: i badly need to go to the grocer |
| 23:39.33 | shingouz | abrotman: then go! :D |
| 23:39.36 | jnc | abrotman: that is tough to make time for, eh? |
| 23:39.44 | abrotman | shingouz: this was a bachelor party weekend .. i'm shot :) |
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| 23:39.49 | somePriest | shingouz : Nah, nothing strange and unusual. My non-postcript printer, but cups and foomatic has clobbered that problem. |
| 23:39.58 | jnc | it is only that my roommates are eating at resteraunts all the time, that our icebox has any food in it |
| 23:40.04 | abrotman | jnc: you have my weekend .. then complain .. |
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| 23:40.10 | shingouz | somePriest: in that case, just use a debian kernel |
| 23:40.22 | abrotman | !tell wils0n about root |
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| 23:40.28 | jnc | can never spell correctly the word "restaraunt" |
| 23:40.33 | abrotman | restaurant |
| 23:40.43 | shingouz | !beer abrotman |
| 23:40.45 | somePriest | PerfDave : Hmmm, I meant the compiled kernel in the kernel-image package was compiled with pretty module all options installed as modules, as opposed to wrote into the kernel itself. |
| 23:40.57 | jnc | res tau rant. hm |
| 23:41.09 | abrotman | shingouz: no .. i kept Yuenging in business for another six months |
| 23:41.14 | abrotman | err Yuengling |
| 23:41.15 | PerfDave | somePriest: That's what I said. |
| 23:41.43 | shingouz | abrotman: haha. i hope it was not your bachelor party |
| 23:41.46 | abrotman | shingouz: there's not a chance in hell i could count the number consumed since thursday |
| 23:41.50 | abrotman | shingouz: no ... |
| 23:42.10 | somePriest | PerfDave : I know. I was just clarifying that I was not asking if the Debian kernel was modular, or could be, as I knew it was. |
| 23:42.26 | polluxx | dave? how can i make things as a root in X? |
| 23:42.37 | polluxx | like use the browser etc |
| 23:42.42 | abrotman | !tell polluxx about run stuff as root |
| 23:42.43 | Gil_ | rob_lt: ya, that's cool |
| 23:43.03 | kainer | i think it maybe a problem due to me having xp installed on a sata harddisk and i'm attempting to install debian on a 2nd hard disk which is IDE |
| 23:43.05 | Gil_ | rob_lt: how did you do that? |
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| 23:43.48 | PerfDave | somePriest: It's worth reiterating. There's a common misconception that Debian kernels are "bloated" and that it's best to hand-compile "smaller" ones. |
| 23:43.53 | rob_lt | Gil_, I'll link you all the stuff.... you don't need the black box around the icon, that is what the fbox is for (the pic itself is not centered, that's why the box appears a bit off) |
| 23:44.06 | rob_lt | Gil_, let me fix it up quick, and I'll link you all the stuff |
| 23:44.06 | polluxx | i have to make a file called "sources.list" |
| 23:44.11 | Guerin | polluxx: no. |
| 23:44.15 | polluxx | im not logged as root |
| 23:44.19 | Guerin | polluxx: you have to run apt-setup |
| 23:44.23 | stew | as root |
| 23:44.28 | Guerin | polluxx: then you're fucked |
| 23:44.37 | Gil_ | rob_lt: thanks for that, it'll really help this document |
| 23:44.44 | polluxx | i did so |
| 23:44.46 | polluxx | and then? |
| 23:44.48 | somePriest | PerfDave : Perhaps they get that from the earliest non-modular [Linux] kernels? I think I read the original, pre-debian, kernels were not modular were they? |
| 23:45.10 | polluxx | choose ftp? |
| 23:45.20 | Guerin | polluxx: choose what you like |
| 23:45.37 | polluxx | but what for? whats the aim? |
| 23:45.45 | Guerin | polluxx: man apt-setup |
| 23:45.57 | eutopia | Gil_: I have a solution! Ill simply use gpg -c , this will encrypt with a symmetric cipher using a passphrase, so I can encrypt without any KEYS :) |
| 23:46.18 | rob_lt | Gil_, when you look at the code, the margin note is made on the same line as the line you enter it on, so you can put it wherever you want in the paragraph |
| 23:46.36 | Gil_ | eutopia: the magic of the man page! |
| 23:46.39 | PerfDave | somePriest: No, these are people's misconceptions of current Debian kernels. |
| 23:46.40 | Gil_ | rob_lt: cool |
| 23:46.40 | polluxx | ok, i did it |
| 23:46.43 | polluxx | and now? |
| 23:46.54 | polluxx | man apt-setup? |
| 23:46.56 | abrotman | you run your stuff? |
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| 23:47.04 | Guerin | polluxx: now aptitude update |
| 23:47.08 | PerfDave | polluxx: Wait a minute, why are you trying to change your sources.list? |
| 23:47.09 | polluxx | wit |
| 23:47.13 | polluxx | wait |
| 23:47.18 | abrotman | wait! |
| 23:47.23 | abrotman | hold it right there buddy! |
| 23:47.23 | Guerin | polluxx: and aptitude install whatever shit you want |
| 23:47.30 | PerfDave | polluxx: If you actually bothered to use my /nick, I'd notice when you were talking to me. |
| 23:47.33 | polluxx | i cancelled editing the sources.list |
| 23:47.36 | somePriest | PerfDave : I see. |
| 23:47.52 | shingouz | !tell polluxx about nicktab |
| 23:48.02 | eutopia | Gil_: because doesnt -c do just as good job as using a private key anyway? |
| 23:48.06 | polluxx | so im now in the apt setup |
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| 23:48.22 | PerfDave | eutopia: It does a different job. |
| 23:48.26 | eutopia | Gil_: symmetric cipher used is CAST5 |
| 23:48.28 | shingouz | PerfDave: sunday. definitely sunday somewhere |
| 23:48.37 | Gil_ | eutopia: who are you protecting this from? Your mum or the NSA? |
| 23:48.54 | rob_lt | Gil_, http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=124FO4B8CQULZ0JHP569WYXCY6 |
| 23:49.00 | wornaki | I need some help with CUPS and a multifunction HP... |
| 23:49.05 | Gil_ | rob_lt: thx :) |
| 23:49.13 | eutopia | PerfDave: but all I wanted to do was encrypt files for security for myself! Wont -c, symmetric cipher using CAST5 be good enough? that way I dont need any secret or public keys |
| 23:49.14 | wornaki | can someone lend me a hand? |
| 23:49.14 | polluxx | hm |
| 23:49.23 | eutopia | Gil_: the NSA and gov |
| 23:49.27 | shingouz | wornaki: /msg dpkg ask |
| 23:49.28 | PerfDave | eutopia: Only you can decide whether it's "good enough" for you. |
| 23:49.30 | polluxx | well i gotta download those nvidia-kernel-sources |
| 23:49.58 | eutopia | PerfDave: so tell me, whats the difference in security between a secrey key and me using CAST5 without a key? |
| 23:50.02 | wornaki | shingouz: what? |
| 23:50.12 | shingouz | !tell wornaki about ask |
| 23:50.13 | PerfDave | eutopia: http://www.gnupg.org/ |
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| 23:50.23 | shingouz | wornaki: read what dpkg told you |
| 23:50.26 | PerfDave | polluxx: Did you consult dpkg concerning "non-free sources"? |
| 23:50.28 | eutopia | PerfDave: in others words, you are not sure! ok np :) |
| 23:50.29 | wornaki | sure |
| 23:50.29 | abrotman | wornaki: just ask |
| 23:51.08 | polluxx | i use the debian thing |
| 23:51.10 | xim | how do i add a locale in debian. locale -a gives me only four, i need others |
| 23:51.18 | polluxx | not the nvidia drivers, dont worry |
| 23:51.22 | PerfDave | polluxx: "debian thing"? Please don't be so vague. |
| 23:51.25 | PerfDave | xim: /msg dpkg locales |
| 23:51.26 | shingouz | xim: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 23:51.40 | PerfDave | eutopia: In other words, it's better to read the damn documentation and try to find things out for your damn self! |
| 23:51.43 | Golfgeo | Hi all |
| 23:52.31 | abrotman | wornaki: are you going to ask? |
| 23:52.36 | Golfgeo | There doesn't seem to be a kernel image for the AMD K6 on etch (testing) for the 2.6 series, is this true? |
| 23:52.48 | wornaki | my CUPS and HP-PSC 1210 don't work together, because my printer is not found... as in not connected to the usb port |
| 23:52.54 | wornaki | does someone have an idea |
| 23:52.56 | wornaki | ? |
| 23:52.57 | bob2 | Golfgeo: use the 386 one then |
| 23:52.57 | polluxx | i looked it up on the website, theres an instrucion |
| 23:53.07 | polluxx | dpkg gave me a link |
| 23:53.08 | wornaki | I follow the step in the hlip docs |
| 23:53.17 | eutopia | PerfDave: in others words, you dont know so you pointed me to the website! ok ;) np |
| 23:53.34 | PerfDave | eutopia: Fuck you |
| 23:53.39 | Golfgeo | bob2, Thats the one I'm installing now, but a CPU specific would be great |
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| 23:53.44 | eutopia | PerfDave: im not gay so no thanks |
| 23:53.46 | PerfDave | polluxx: What link, what instruction, what website? |
| 23:53.54 | PerfDave | eutopia: *plonk* |
| 23:53.57 | eutopia | PerfDave: there are plenty of gay men for you elsewhere |
| 23:54.16 | wornaki | I'm supposed to get hp:/usb/[printer name, serial number], but instead I get hp:no_device_found |
| 23:54.17 | dieeasy | can someone tell me where to get info about how an irc channel works? |
| 23:54.25 | gravity | dieeasy: irc.org is a good start |
| 23:54.40 | dieeasy | i think i could have guessed... :-/ |
| 23:54.43 | shingouz | wornaki: what kernel? |
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| 23:55.08 | namu | wow, i remember when this place only had 80 odd users |
| 23:55.10 | wornaki | 2.6.12 |
| 23:55.15 | shingouz | wornaki: lsmod | grep usblp |
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| 23:55.48 | Golfgeo | wornaki, 2.6.12 is for me? |
| 23:55.50 | wornaki | usblp 13024 0 |
| 23:55.50 | wornaki | usbcore 122588 3 usblp,ehci_hcd |
| 23:55.58 | Golfgeo | ah, IC |
| 23:56.29 | shingouz | wornaki: do not paste here. looks like you should have the printer there. what does lsusb tell you? |
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| 23:56.45 | nightmaster | can i get debian to install without downloading an iso? |
| 23:56.53 | PerfDave | nightmaster: Yes, read the Installation Manual. |
| 23:56.56 | wornaki | shingouz: sorry |
| 23:56.59 | abrotman | nightmaster: yes .. use floppies :) |
| 23:56.59 | shingouz | nightmaster: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 23:57.02 | polluxx | hmmm...... oh this is unbelievable... im really fucked up. iim searching for a solution to get my graphics card to work for over 3h now :( |
| 23:57.04 | nightmaster | no floppies |
| 23:57.24 | shingouz | nightmaster: so what are you going to boot the system on then? |
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| 23:57.35 | nightmaster | using vmware or something |
| 23:57.36 | wornaki | shingouz: 1st bus |
| 23:57.37 | polluxx | i thought i must not post links in the room, dave |
| 23:57.43 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 23:57.44 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 23:57.45 | mfrisch | polluxx did you smoke your breakfast |
| 23:57.46 | stew | nightmaster: /msg dpkg debootstrap ; /msg dpkg chroot install ; /msg dpkg ig |
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| 23:58.28 | nightmaster | what is chroot |
| 23:58.35 | PerfDave | polluxx: It's really not difficult. You've been given the instructions on the website by dpkg, you just need to follow them. |
| 23:58.47 | ke6isf | !tell nightmaster -about chroot |
| 23:58.50 | shingouz | nightmaster: what are you trying to do really? install debian on a vmware running on windows? just install debian for real |
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| 23:59.01 | meri | -yes...use floppies :) *rofl* |
| 23:59.06 | PerfDave | nightmaster: The Installation Manual will tell you everything you want to know about installing Debian, strangely enough. That's what it's there for. |
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| 23:59.19 | wornaki | shingouz: my problem is that usb-ehci is there but the printer doesn't seem to get connected |
| 23:59.20 | nightmaster | i wanna install debian for real but with as little downaling as possilbe |
| 23:59.24 | nightmaster | like a net install or something |
| 23:59.32 | PerfDave | nightmaster: The Installation Manual will tell you everything you want to know about installing Debian, strangely enough. That's what it's there for. |
| 23:59.39 | polluxx | i did but when i reached the point where i have to type "m-a auto-install nvidia", i get an error |
| 23:59.46 | PerfDave | polluxx: What error do you get? |
| 23:59.46 | nightmaster | were do i get this manual |
| 23:59.48 | stew | nightmaster: /msg dpkg netinst |
| 23:59.53 | stew | nightmaster: /msg dpkg ig |
| 23:59.58 | polluxx | can you read german? |
