| 00:00.08 | DsOft-ZzZ | can anyone remember me. In yaboot.conf, how ofboot option works for /dev/hda2 . something like ofboot=hd:2 ???? |
| 00:00.14 | nightmaster | what i\m confused |
| 00:00.18 | nightmaster | jsut give the install manual page p[lz |
| 00:00.31 | shingouz | wornaki: i think you need ohci or uhci there too. does your usb work properly with other devices? |
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| 00:00.50 | wornaki | I haven't tested it shingouz... |
| 00:00.54 | stew | nightmaster: read the /topic |
| 00:00.56 | wornaki | but it works ok on windows |
| 00:00.57 | openback | hi, I'm having problems with permissions while installing with multiple partitions (i.e. one for /home, one for /usr, etc) basically everything is root:root when I'm done, even other user's home dirs, any ideas what I might be doing wrong? |
| 00:01.02 | nightmaster | read the /topic |
| 00:01.08 | shingouz | wornaki: that is completely irrelevant |
| 00:01.12 | PerfDave | polluxx: No, but #debian-de can |
| 00:01.19 | wornaki | shingouz: the port is working |
| 00:01.23 | wornaki | there is no hardware problem |
| 00:01.34 | stew | nightmaster: do you see the part where it says GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian? |
| 00:01.35 | ke6isf | nightmaster: Go to http://www.debian.org and start following the links. There is one that points to documentation. It's not rocket science. |
| 00:01.35 | bob2 | openback: what filesystems? |
| 00:01.45 | shingouz | wornaki: i was not asking about the hardware. i was asking if you have the usb working on debian |
| 00:01.50 | polluxx | dave, it sais that i have the installation failed, package will be ignored and that i probably have to write something into the "sources.list" file |
| 00:01.52 | openback | bob2: I'm trying ext3 for all of them |
| 00:02.04 | wornaki | shingouz: I don't know how to verify that |
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| 00:02.16 | shingouz | wornaki: do you have any other usb thingie? |
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| 00:02.25 | PerfDave | polluxx: Did you follow the part of the instructions that referred to setting up non-free sources? /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 00:02.44 | shingouz | PerfDave: i think he does not know what m-a is... |
| 00:02.47 | PerfDave | polluxx: And can you *please* call me PerfDave instead of dave? It makes it far easier to follow what you're saying. |
| 00:02.50 | wornaki | shingouz: no, I do not, unfortunately |
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| 00:03.24 | gravity | polluxx: Your irc client should complete irc nicks when you hit tab |
| 00:03.27 | shingouz | wornaki: modprobe uhci-hcd (or ohci-hcd if it fails) |
| 00:03.28 | gravity | Like in your shell |
| 00:03.59 | lilldude | "/msg dpkg |
| 00:04.03 | openback | bob2: would that be the problem somehow? |
| 00:04.16 | nightmaster | umm can someone tell me if i should get hte bussiness card or if i should get the minal cd |
| 00:04.17 | wornaki | shingouz: I have it loaded now |
| 00:04.18 | polluxx | ill try debian-de. thanks guys |
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| 00:04.29 | PerfDave | nightmaster: Have you read the Installation Manual? |
| 00:04.30 | stew | nightmaster: minimal |
| 00:04.31 | wornaki | but PTAL still doesn't get the device |
| 00:04.46 | bob2 | openback: no |
| 00:04.48 | nightmaster | but the minimal will take long to downlaod |
| 00:04.49 | shingouz | wornaki: wtf is PTAL? |
| 00:04.57 | wornaki | sorry... |
| 00:05.04 | J1G | 'vening.. |
| 00:05.18 | ke6isf | nightmaster: What kind of connection are you on? Dialup? |
| 00:05.28 | nightmaster | umm no WAN |
| 00:05.34 | wornaki | according to the docs in http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php I should get the name of my printer and the serial following hp:/ |
| 00:05.37 | PerfDave | stew: Really, get nightmaster to read the Installation Manual. He's already said that he can't install from CD, so he needs to read the Installation Manual. |
| 00:05.39 | stew | nightmaster: one of the first things the businesscard does is download the rest of whats on the minimal that is not on the business card |
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| 00:06.03 | ke6isf | nightmaster: Get the netinst image or business card image. Burn to CD. Boot. Be enlightened. |
| 00:06.13 | nightmaster | but they take time |
| 00:06.14 | dieeasy | J1G: yo! |
| 00:06.35 | PerfDave | ke6isf: He's already said that he can't install from CD |
| 00:06.42 | polluxx | damned.. no one there at debian-de :( PerfDave , do you know how i can edit the sources.list? |
| 00:06.42 | wornaki | shingouz: thanks you very much for your help |
| 00:06.43 | nightmaster | i can install from Cd |
| 00:06.52 | nightmaster | i just dont want to |
| 00:06.55 | PerfDave | polluxx: With a text editor. |
| 00:06.59 | shingouz | wornaki: i have a weird feeling you are trying to do something weird.. do you have cups installed? |
| 00:07.02 | openback | hi, I'm having problems with permissions while installing with multiple partitions (i.e. one for /home, one for /usr, etc) basically everything is root:root when I'm done, even other user's home dirs, any ideas what I might be doing wrong? The same has happened with an ubuntu and debian install, but I don't know why :'/ |
| 00:07.04 | polluxx | yes, i know |
| 00:07.07 | wornaki | shingouz: yes |
| 00:07.09 | stew | PerfDave: its #debian.de iirc |
| 00:07.10 | ke6isf | nightmaster: Making coffee takes time. Sleeping takes time. Downloading takes time. Sex (or jerking off) takes time. Going to work takes time. netinst takes time be it from floppies or CD. EVERY THING TAKES TIME. |
| 00:07.12 | PerfDave | nightmaster: Well, if you READ THE INSTALLATION MANUAL it will tell you what your options are! |
| 00:07.13 | polluxx | but how can i use such editor as root? |
| 00:07.15 | polluxx | in kde |
| 00:07.19 | stew | error410: polluxx itrs #debian.de iirc |
| 00:07.19 | wornaki | but my debian is not very friendly |
| 00:07.25 | stew | my lord, i cann't type |
| 00:07.27 | shingouz | wornaki: point your browser to http://localhost:631 |
| 00:08.06 | ke6isf | nightmaster: The fastest way is businesscard or netinst to CD (burn), and have fun. That takes the *least* time. |
| 00:08.16 | PerfDave | polluxx: Load up a super user terminal from the System menu, type "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 00:08.25 | nightmaster | ill take the bussniess card |
| 00:08.26 | ke6isf | nightmaster: If you don't have the time, then you need to put this off for another time. |
| 00:08.28 | wornaki | shingouz: I'm doing it through KDEprint |
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| 00:08.44 | gravity | enjoy the journey :-) |
| 00:08.48 | shingouz | wornaki: just do it with your broswer |
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| 00:09.07 | ke6isf | nightmaster: Likewise, if you don't know what to do with the time that netinst will take, you need to find something to occupy it. Or, as we say in this world, "go get yourself a cup of coffee". |
| 00:09.10 | Orlino | the PSTN is it circuit switched? |
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| 00:09.13 | meri | good morning Orlino |
| 00:09.17 | wornaki | shingouz: ok |
| 00:09.22 | nightmaster | i odnt got a coffe maker |
| 00:09.31 | Orlino | meri: good morning to you to |
| 00:09.41 | ke6isf | nightmaster: Learn not to think literally, please. =^_^= |
| 00:09.46 | nightmaster | oh ok |
| 00:09.55 | shingouz | nightmaster: apt-get install sense-of-humor :p |
| 00:10.08 | dafen | for nvidia and ati cards, which is better? use internal agp support or AGPGART |
| 00:10.08 | lilldude | what are good debain oline like pdf one book |
| 00:10.11 | ke6isf | !shingouz++ |
| 00:10.16 | nightmaster | apt-get remove life |
| 00:10.19 | nightmaster | life not found |
| 00:10.25 | shingouz | yay! karma |
| 00:10.32 | ke6isf | nightmaster: Now you're getting somewhere. =^^= |
| 00:10.36 | nightmaster | lol |
| 00:10.41 | polluxx | ok, how can i save it? |
| 00:10.48 | gravity | lilldude: You're going to have to be more coherent than that... |
| 00:10.48 | polluxx | which shortcut? |
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| 00:10.52 | wornaki | shingouz: my test page doesn't print |
| 00:10.59 | wornaki | it is stuck in processing |
| 00:11.09 | PerfDave | polluxx: Read the help at the bottom of the screen? I think it's Ctrl-O |
| 00:11.16 | lilldude | ok iwant a online book for debian |
| 00:11.16 | polluxx | ok, yeah got it |
| 00:11.32 | polluxx | didnt know what ^ meant |
| 00:11.34 | eutopia | Gil_: symmetrical encryption seems secure enough! no need for a private key unless you want to keep the gov and nsa out :) |
| 00:11.36 | ke6isf | lilldude: Documentation as found on http://www.debian.org seems fine. If there's no PDF, maybe you can make it. =^^= |
| 00:11.58 | shingouz | wornaki: been sitting there a long time now? if yes, remove the test print and reconfigure the printer. i suspect you are pointing the output to the wrong port |
| 00:12.01 | eutopia | Gil_: in fact, I believe the nsa would have trouble breaking symmetrical encryption anyway |
| 00:12.03 | gravity | lilldude: There's no single book online. There's two you can buy. |
| 00:12.12 | gravity | lilldude: There's a lot of good docs both on your system and scattered about though |
| 00:12.12 | lilldude | ok ive beenn there at debian read it |
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| 00:12.18 | PerfDave | ke6isf, lilldude: Most of the documentation on http://www.debian.org/ can be downloaded as PDFs anyway, no? |
| 00:12.32 | mfrisch | gravity did google start offering book scan yet? |
| 00:12.39 | ke6isf | PerfDave: Not really explored, as I've never really had the need quite yet. |
| 00:12.43 | gravity | mfrisch: No idea |
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| 00:13.02 | lilldude | well i was thinking maybe the bible was online so i coud veiw before buy option |
| 00:13.15 | openback | can anyone help me with my botched installation? |
| 00:13.18 | gravity | lilldude: There may be a chapter online or something as a sample |
| 00:13.21 | openback | I'm having problems with permissions while installing with multiple partitions (i.e. one for /home, one for /usr, etc) basically everything is root:root when I'm done, even other user's home dirs, any ideas what I might be doing wrong? The same has happened with an ubuntu and debian install, but I don't know why :'/ |
| 00:13.33 | polluxx | oh PerfDave , this cant be real.......... |
| 00:13.37 | eutopia | openback: how did u back it up? |
| 00:13.38 | polluxx | nothing works at all |
| 00:13.39 | wornaki | shingouz: I get this at 3 different ports "open device failed; will retry in 30 seconds..." |
| 00:13.51 | openback | eutopia: It's a fresh install |
| 00:13.58 | Golfgeo | Question: Hot plug on etch doesn't seem to worl for PCMCIA, nic's don't get there ifup automagicly.. |
| 00:14.00 | ke6isf | openback: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 00:14.02 | shingouz | wornaki: in that case your printer is not where you think it is |
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| 00:14.21 | shingouz | caffeine. now. bbiab |
| 00:14.28 | PerfDave | polluxx: Please, try to be specific. What the hell do you mean, "nothing works at all"? |
| 00:14.28 | ke6isf | !coffee shingouz |
| 00:14.32 | openback | ke6isf: I just downloaded the 3.1a I believe it was? The latest netinst img |
| 00:14.32 | eutopia | openback: did u create a user account? |
| 00:14.32 | wornaki | shingouz: I don't know where my printer is |
| 00:14.44 | lilldude | linksyes router arnt good brand |
| 00:14.48 | openback | eutopia: yeah, even the user's home directory is root:root |
| 00:14.53 | lilldude | iaint happy with mine |
| 00:15.01 | PerfDave | Golfgeo: You wouldn't expect them to. Look at something like laptop-net if you want that. |
| 00:15.02 | ke6isf | !tell eutopia -about u |
| 00:15.34 | eutopia | ke6isf: thanks for the reminder of a bad habit of mine :) |
| 00:15.44 | eutopia | ke6isf: :) |
| 00:16.01 | ke6isf | openback: That's kind of weird. You can chown to what should be correct, right? |
| 00:16.05 | ke6isf | eutopia: Anytime. =^^= |
| 00:16.18 | eutopia | ke6isf: hehe |
| 00:16.21 | eutopia | :) |
| 00:16.55 | openback | ke6isf: well, yeah, I did that for my home directory, but I'm going to have a crapload of problems with all the little files that need to be changed |
| 00:17.00 | eutopia | ke6isf: I appreciate you taking time to remind me to use the proper word "you" ;) |
| 00:17.04 | ke6isf | openback: Yeah, likely. |
| 00:17.06 | openback | ke6isf: like I can't run x right now |
| 00:17.14 | wornaki | shingouz: all my hardware tests tell me that the printer is in USB #1 |
| 00:17.22 | ke6isf | openback: Ah, joy. Side effects. |
| 00:17.25 | Golfgeo | PerfDave thanks matwe |
| 00:17.27 | Golfgeo | *mate |
| 00:17.36 | Skyblaze | anyone that uses scite text editor here? |
| 00:17.37 | polluxx | i try to set it up for non-free sources, wait |
| 00:17.37 | eutopia | openback: can you chown the whole /home with a single command? |
| 00:18.12 | ke6isf | eutopia: you'd have to chown all of it to one user. Better to chown each dir to the users. |
| 00:18.15 | PerfDave | openback: BTW, what filesystems did you use for the partitions? |
| 00:18.20 | eutopia | openback: should every single file in /home be for user, or are some supposed to be root? |
| 00:18.26 | openback | eutopia: yeah, but like I said to ke6isf, I'm going to have problems with programs. I already have a problems with X |
| 00:18.29 | mfrisch | Skyblaze what is it |
| 00:18.30 | eutopia | ke6isf: ok makes sense |
| 00:18.38 | openback | PerfDave: ext3 |
| 00:18.52 | eutopia | openback: so in /home, are some files meant to be user and some root? |
| 00:18.59 | Skyblaze | mfrisch, i wrote what it is |
| 00:19.03 | PerfDave | openback: OK, that should work. |
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| 00:19.49 | eutopia | thats an interesting question actually! in /home are ALL the files set as user, or only some and others meant to be set to root? |
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| 00:19.58 | openback | eutopia: no, the only directory in home should be owned by the user, but this is a system-wide problem, not just in home, everything is root:root |
| 00:20.16 | ke6isf | eutopia: All files in /home should be owned by each user accordingly. So /home/foo would all be for foo, /home/bar would be bar, etc. There shouldn't be any files owned by root, as such. |
| 00:20.41 | ke6isf | eutopia: Since the problem is with other things (e,g., can't run X), there are bigger problems at hand. |
| 00:21.19 | eutopia | ke6isf: ah ok! so for example, im a single user on my computer! so 100% all of the files in my /home should be set to user permission and not even 1 file should be set as root? is that correct? |
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| 00:21.48 | ke6isf | eutopia: Correct, but just because root owns something in that tree doesn't mean catastrophe, it just means that root owns it and the user can't do anything with it. |
| 00:22.03 | ke6isf | eutopia: Unless, of course, root owns somebody's entire tree. |
| 00:22.12 | eutopia | ke6isf: i understand, thanks for explaining. I really was curious about that |
| 00:22.13 | openback | does anyone else here have separate partitions for /home or anything else with the latest debian? |
| 00:22.18 | PerfDave | Then again, root should "own" /home/. and /home/.. ;) |
| 00:22.19 | eutopia | ke6isf: ok ty |
| 00:22.27 | ke6isf | eutopia: No problem. |
| 00:22.33 | eutopia | :) |
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| 00:22.43 | ke6isf | openback: I have /home and /boot on separate partitions; everything else is on /. |
| 00:22.46 | polluxx | seems to work :)= |
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| 00:23.18 | ke6isf | openback: My server is a little different; I created a separate partition for a secondary volume that contains other things such as /var/log, /var/spool/mail, and much of the server stuff. |
| 00:23.20 | openback | ke6isf: and did you install the current debian or just upgrade? I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong in installation, but I don't see it |
| 00:23.31 | meri | good morning Lewoco |
| 00:23.36 | ke6isf | openback: I did netinst like two months ago. |
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| 00:23.58 | openback | ke6isf: yeah, I set up quite a few partitions for things for this install and no good |
| 00:24.03 | ke6isf | openback: I had one unexplained freeze, and a couple of scheduled downtimes, no other problems. |
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| 00:24.23 | PerfDave | openback: The Debian installer should Just Work with different partitioning schemes, just allocate the partitions, mountpoints and filesystems at installation time. |
| 00:24.37 | woodland | i am back |
| 00:24.49 | ke6isf | openback: If I were me, I'd follow the original scheme. /boot goes on its own, /home might go on its own. |
| 00:24.54 | eutopia | woodland: wb |
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| 00:25.01 | woodland | hi |
| 00:25.18 | openback | PerfDave: Yeah, I would think so, too, but I installed it twice, and ubuntu once, and the same problem |
| 00:25.32 | ke6isf | openback: I personally don't see a need to scatter it out over several vols unless you absolutely have to. |
| 00:25.45 | openback | ke6isf: yeah, that's what I was going for this time, I have wuite a few partitions now, but still this problem |
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| 00:25.59 | sdsds | where can i get install sid iso image |
| 00:25.59 | PerfDave | openback: No idea about Ubuntu. I can't see that a hardware problem would cause this. Did you try consulting the Installation Manual? |
| 00:26.04 | djperegrine | when I do iwconfig I see wlan0 but ping google doesn't work |
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| 00:26.07 | dafen | ipw2200 is such a headache.... |
| 00:26.15 | djperegrine | and it can't find dhcpcd |
| 00:26.18 | ke6isf | openback: You mean you had this problem on a single partition setup? What in tarnations are you doing? |
| 00:26.26 | openback | ke6isf: yeah, that's one of those preference things |
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| 00:26.28 | lindenl1 | !tell sdsds about /msg dpkg netinst |
| 00:26.35 | PerfDave | sdsds: /msg dpkg iyatays |
| 00:26.37 | dafen | upgraded to compiled with 2.6.12, the ipw2200 1.0.4 generates a redefine conflict |
| 00:26.47 | openback | ke6isf: no, no, only on multiple partitions, I never even tried on a single partition ( I might, just to see, though) |
| 00:26.54 | dafen | by upgrading to iwp2200 1.0.6 , one has to install iee80211...wtf |
| 00:26.57 | PerfDave | sdsds: rather, /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 00:26.59 | lindenl1 | !tell sdsds about netinst |
| 00:27.00 | ke6isf | openback: Do it with /boot on its own. |
| 00:27.04 | abrotman | dafen: ask #ipw2200 |
| 00:27.06 | dafen | it means if you have ipw2200, then dont use linux?! |
| 00:27.09 | PerfDave | dafen: You're not using the Debian ipw2200 packages? |
| 00:27.19 | dafen | it conflicts with kernel 2.6.12 |
| 00:27.21 | PerfDave | dafen: No, it means that if you use Linux, get a decent wireless card ;) |
| 00:27.21 | abrotman | !tell dafen about ipw2200 |
| 00:27.24 | dafen | a redefinition error |
| 00:27.28 | openback | PerfDave: well Ubuntu has the same installer, and yeah, I looked throuhg the manual, and found nothing |
| 00:27.37 | dafen | shxt,I know it, been using ipw2200-source for 1 year |
| 00:27.46 | dafen | it's a confilct with the newest kernel |
| 00:27.52 | abrotman | dafen: then don't use the newest? |
| 00:27.52 | dafen | the newest kernel changed it's header file |
| 00:27.57 | dafen | can't |
| 00:27.59 | ke6isf | dafen: So don't do that then. |
| 00:27.59 | dieeasy | #dafen i have ipw2200 on a 2.6.12.5 working |
| 00:28.01 | dafen | wanna make suspend to disk work |
| 00:28.05 | openback | ke6isf: yeah, I was thinking of trying to do it like that and then copy everything over afterwards as a workaround |
| 00:28.06 | dafen | dieeasy |
| 00:28.07 | dafen | how? |
| 00:28.17 | ke6isf | !enter |
| 00:28.17 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 00:28.24 | dafen | I compiled ipw2200-source, but it confilcts hell with kernel headers |
| 00:28.25 | dieeasy | dafen: I simply downloaded the tarballs |
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| 00:28.37 | dafen | but the tarball.. requires iee80211 subsystem |
| 00:28.44 | dafen | so I am afraid of the tarball 1.0.6 |
| 00:28.49 | dieeasy | dafen: at kernel compile time i just enable swireless extensions but nothing else |
| 00:28.59 | dafen | so you download 1.0.6 tarball? |
| 00:29.03 | dieeasy | dafen: then compiled ieee80211 |
| 00:29.17 | dafen | you did compile that problematic iee80211 subsysteM? |
| 00:29.17 | dieeasy | dafen: then ipw2200-1.0.6 |
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| 00:29.27 | dieeasy | dafen make -> make install |
| 00:29.29 | openback | thanks for the help, I guess :^/ , gonna go try some more |
| 00:29.35 | ke6isf | openback: Good luck. |
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| 00:29.49 | openback | ke6isf: thanks :P |
| 00:29.55 | dieeasy | dafen: or I am just lucky !?! |
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| 00:30.02 | dafen | dieeasy, you see the point , 1.0.6 tarball requires 80211 subsystem |
| 00:30.04 | dafen | I think you r |
| 00:30.14 | ke6isf | !tell dafen -about enter |
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| 00:30.32 | abrotman | !r |
| 00:30.33 | dpkg | i heard r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE", YOU MORONS! |
| 00:30.35 | lindenl1 | !tell lindenle about enter |
| 00:30.52 | Golfgeo | gtg |
| 00:30.55 | ke6isf | lindenl1: you can /msg the bot too. |
| 00:31.04 | eutopia | !cast5 |
| 00:31.11 | dafen | dieeasy, did you install iee80211 subsystem? |
| 00:31.17 | lindenl1 | ke6isf: thanks |
| 00:31.20 | dieeasy | dafen: simply followed the instructions in the "INSTALL" |
| 00:31.23 | dieeasy | dafen: yes |
| 00:31.26 | dafen | ok, good |
| 00:31.27 | dafen | thanx |
| 00:31.29 | eutopia | !cast-128 |
| 00:31.38 | dieeasy | dafen on my notebook with an integrated 2200 |
| 00:31.46 | ke6isf | eutopia: ...um, what are you trying to do? |
| 00:31.48 | dafen | you should save a few words just tell me that you have 80211, otherwise, you quite surprised me |
| 00:31.49 | djperegrine | I see wlan0 when I do iwconfig but still can't ping google |
| 00:31.52 | dieeasy | dafen: even the little button to activate it works |
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| 00:32.07 | dafen | coz I can't compile 1.0.6 without 80211 |
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| 00:32.44 | dieeasy | dafen: i compiled ieee80211 |
| 00:33.02 | dieeasy | dafen: i remember some problems... |
| 00:33.09 | eutopia | ke6isf: well, im using gpg for encryption of personal files. But im not going to use any secret keys, im using the feature that uses cast5 for encryption that doesnt need any secret or public keys! was wonderging if cast5 is any good? :) |
| 00:33.10 | golly | hey all.....I'm on Mepis....and can't get a response at #mepis or #mepislovers.......can anyone help? |
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| 00:33.20 | Gnea | golly: keep trying |
| 00:33.21 | dafen | o, what kinda problems yo've had? |
| 00:33.24 | eutopia | ke6isf: gpg: CAST5 encrypted data |
| 00:33.30 | dieeasy | dafen: paths, i had to specify paths differend than INSTALL told me |
| 00:33.35 | golly | Gnea: yeah...been a few hours.....it's a samba prob I think |
| 00:33.39 | dafen | ic, thanx |
| 00:33.41 | eutopia | golly: they wont help you in those channels |
| 00:33.53 | Gnea | golly: probably should ask in #samba then |
| 00:33.59 | dieeasy | dafen: i got my tarball in /opt, unpacked and ran "make |
| 00:34.01 | ke6isf | eutopia: Dunno. Most of the encryption I use is involving keypairs anyway. You might just gen your own pair and use it. |
| 00:34.04 | eutopia | golly: this is the best most helpful channel! but i usd to use mepis too, may I suggest you change to Debian |
| 00:34.09 | dafen | but however, the -mm patches have ipw2200 already patched, the andrew's patch for kernel-source |
| 00:34.10 | golly | Gnea: ah ha! |
| 00:34.17 | dafen | just too scared to use the -mm source |
| 00:34.18 | Gnea | :) |
| 00:34.22 | dieeasy | dafen: then i specified "/opt/ieee80211" comiling ipw2200 |
| 00:34.37 | ke6isf | golly: Mepis is not Debian. Sorry. |
| 00:34.42 | eutopia | ke6isf: yes tried that earlier for 2 hours, but couldnt work it out! kept giving me errors! so I thought i would use cast5 instead :) |
| 00:34.43 | Gnea | grrr, wlan-ng is broke with 2.6.12 |
| 00:34.54 | ke6isf | eutopia: What kind of errors? |
| 00:34.56 | dafen | thanx dieeasy, you r grate |
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| 00:35.14 | dieeasy | dafen: i simply am not that expert, i do as best as i can |
| 00:35.17 | jroes | anyone know of a good console based mp3 player that's in the default debian distribution? |
| 00:35.19 | dieeasy | dafen: but it works! |
| 00:35.21 | eutopia | !tell golly -about mepis |
| 00:35.24 | jroes | (like, something I could just apt-get install without mirrors?) |
| 00:35.32 | lindenl1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.37 | SimonRaven | moc |
| 00:35.59 | J1G | dieeasy: !back |
| 00:36.26 | abrotman | SimonRaven: ravenbird? |
| 00:36.28 | lindenl1 | ke6isf: how do i message boot for tell |
| 00:36.32 | eutopia | ke6isf: well I has sec and pub keys, but everytime I tried to encrupt something, it says :gpg: none: skipped: public key not found |
| 00:36.40 | golly | thnx eutopia |
| 00:36.41 | ke6isf | !tell lindenl1 -about msg the bot |
| 00:36.48 | dieeasy | J1G: always here! |
| 00:36.56 | eutopia | golly: you are welcome |
| 00:37.06 | ke6isf | eutopia: Ah, OK. |
| 00:37.25 | eutopia | ke6isf: i read the manual and a few ppl here tried to help me, but it seems its a bug |
| 00:37.26 | lindenl1 | ke6isf: go it ty |
| 00:37.32 | ke6isf | eutopia: I *think* you have to tell it explicitely which key to use. |
| 00:37.34 | dieeasy | dafen: can you tell me how you're doing it, I'd like to know.. and can i also ask a question about -mm pathes? |
| 00:37.37 | J1G | dieeasy: only need to reload... |
| 00:37.41 | golly | my linux box is a file server for a few WinXP machines.....I can ping my linux box from my Winmachines, but can't see it in Network Neighbourhood unless I use it's IP address..... |
| 00:37.57 | abrotman | golly: did you read at #samba ? |
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| 00:38.09 | dieeasy | J1G: ok! configure it or it pops up for everything.. |
| 00:38.11 | ke6isf | lindenl1: Gladly. |
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| 00:38.36 | golly | abrotman: just posted now. |
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| 00:38.53 | jroes | hmm |
| 00:38.59 | jroes | anything else besides mpg321? |
| 00:39.10 | silensius | is there a very best guide to learning Debian Gnu Linux for a very bad poor man ? |
| 00:39.12 | jroes | it's 3 years old, and I can't give it something like http://di.fm/mp3/trance.pls to play |
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| 00:39.32 | eutopia | ke6isf: it says I have: pub 1024D/22B7B6FA 2005-08-22 |
| 00:39.37 | abrotman | golly: what about samba.org ? |
| 00:39.50 | eutopia | ke6isf: but when I try to encrypt it says no publick key avaliable :P weird |
| 00:39.56 | dieeasy | dafen: what's wrong? |
| 00:39.58 | Gnea | ah ha, the package maintainer still thinks the latest wlan-ng is pre21 |
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| 00:40.04 | lindenl1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.05 | ke6isf | eutopia: Then in your command line, tell it ot use key 22B7B6FA. |
| 00:40.17 | lindenl1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:40.32 | jroes | does mplayer do console? |
| 00:40.34 | ke6isf | silensius: "a very bad poor man"? Eh? |
| 00:40.38 | woodland | is there any simple way to remove entire group like 'GAMES' in KDE using command like |
| 00:40.40 | woodland | line |
| 00:40.43 | lindenl1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.56 | eutopia | ke6isf: ok |
| 00:41.03 | mortalman | Problem: I can't run X programs as root while logged in as another user. Question: How can I allow this OR can I somehow use xdm to "switch users" like in XP ?? |
| 00:41.04 | gravity_ | silensius: There's a bunch of docs on www.debian.org. There's also great docs both in /usr/share/doc and in the manpages for various apps |
| 00:41.30 | bob2 | mortalman: use sudo |
| 00:41.55 | woodland | is there any simple way to remove entire group like 'GAMES' in KDE using command line |
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| 00:42.01 | gravity_ | mortalman: Check the faq in /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common for that |
| 00:42.12 | eutopia | ke6isf: manual doesnt explain how to tell it to use a key during encryption |
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| 00:42.24 | ke6isf | eutopia: Lemme look at something. |
| 00:42.24 | mortalman | bob2: Is there another option, because I really hate sudo and I would have to configure just about every program? |
| 00:42.28 | eutopia | ke6isf: so i just used "gpg --encrypt filename" |
| 00:42.32 | eutopia | ke6isf: ok ty |
| 00:42.38 | bob2 | mortalman: any other solution is more painful |
| 00:42.43 | bob2 | mortalman: e.g. xhost +localhosyt |
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| 00:43.12 | ke6isf | eutopia: Have you done 'info gpg' yet? There's a very comprehensive document on this. |
| 00:43.19 | mortalman | bob2: How is that painful? |
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| 00:43.34 | bob2 | mortalman: = allowing any user to use your X session |
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| 00:43.54 | deadcat | including me? |
| 00:43.58 | wishie | how can i setgid something ? |
| 00:44.03 | woodland | is there any simple way to remove entire group like 'GAMES' in KDE using command line |
| 00:44.04 | mortalman | bob2: No way to just allow root? |
| 00:44.06 | deadcat | wishie: man chmod |
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| 00:44.16 | bob2 | mortalman: perhaps, what does the man page say? |
| 00:44.26 | bob2 | sudo really is the right solution for this sort of thing, tho |
| 00:44.26 | wishie | i want to setgid root a program.. |
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| 00:44.39 | bob2 | woodland: do you mean the unix group games? or the games menu section? |
| 00:44.40 | abrotman | wishie: man chmod |
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| 00:44.44 | mortalman | bob2: heh, Checking with the man. |
| 00:44.51 | ankon | woodland, vi /etc/group, rmgroup/delgroup, or sed/grep. |
| 00:44.56 | bob2 | (I've not used xhost in years, so I dunno) |
| 00:44.56 | abrotman | !tell mortalman about run stuff as root |
| 00:45.06 | woodland | bob2, games menu |
| 00:45.10 | eutopia | ke6isf: yeah read it all this morning, 2 hours worth :) |
| 00:45.30 | ke6isf | eutopia: Oh, fun. =O.o= |
| 00:45.51 | eutopia | ke6isf: and I have creeated my keys! and all i wanted to do was encrypt something to my secret key, but no succes! keeps saying no public key available |
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| 00:46.02 | ke6isf | eutopia: Might check their mailing list then. |
| 00:46.10 | eutopia | ke6isf: yeah, thanks anyway :) |
| 00:46.11 | eutopia | brb |
| 00:46.16 | ke6isf | eutopia: Sorry I couldn't help. |
| 00:46.26 | eutopia | ke6isf: you are always helpful , thanks :) |
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| 00:46.29 | eutopia | brb in 10 |
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| 00:48.25 | jonaskoelker | question: why does cmash-demosong depend on csmash? It's just an .ogg (for crying out loud)... |
| 00:48.50 | woodland | hi ankon,man rmgroup says no manual entry |
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| 00:49.14 | nox | i have a problem: im using a keyboard layout other than english, and my keyboard shortcuts (such as CTRL+C to copy, CTRL+V to paste, etc...) are not working. in order to use these shortcuts i have to switch to english. is there a way to fix this problem? |
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| 00:50.07 | bob2 | jonaskoelker: you can file a bug asking for the dependency to be removed |
| 00:50.12 | bob2 | it does sound a little silly |
| 00:50.30 | epsilon | in /etc/rcx.d, K means kill ans S start? |
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| 00:50.42 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: yes |
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| 00:51.03 | somePriest | If I want to see the information (release date, version number, etc) on an installed package (foomatic-db) what would I use? dpkg I assume, what switch? I thouhgt -I, but maybe that only works on a local DEB file it seems. |
| 00:51.18 | jonaskoelker | bob2: thanks. I will |
| 00:51.21 | quiron33 | Sorry, one question: There are any GUI for ssh clients?? |
| 00:51.28 | epsilon | how are the links in rcx.d managed, only with update-rc.d? |
| 00:51.35 | bob2 | quiron33: what would you want ti to do? |
| 00:51.52 | frumious-0 | somePriest: dpkg -s packagename |
| 00:52.02 | bob2 | somePriest: /usr/share/doc/foomatic-db/changelog.Debian.gz has some of that |
| 00:52.36 | quiron33 | I want to acces to an other computer hd using a GUI, I can with kconsole |
| 00:52.50 | orchid | quiron33: putty |
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| 00:52.55 | quiron33 | ? |
| 00:52.55 | mortalman | abrotman: "sux" is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you very much. |
| 00:53.00 | Clau | hi |
| 00:53.07 | bob2 | oh yeah, forgot about sux |
| 00:53.07 | abrotman | mortalman: no problem |
| 00:53.13 | abrotman | bob2: you sux :) |
| 00:53.28 | bob2 | it's true |
| 00:53.32 | Clau | I has a problem with my graphic board |
| 00:53.34 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:53.59 | somePriest | frumious-0 bob2 : Fantastic, thank you. |
| 00:54.00 | Clau | when I run glxinfo |
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| 00:54.13 | Pryon | Clau: can you be more specific? |
| 00:54.23 | Clau | say libGL.so.1 not found |
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| 00:54.50 | Clau | Pryon, say libGL.so.1 not found |
| 00:54.59 | Pryon | libGL.sl.1 not found |
| 00:55.04 | nox | i have a problem: im using a keyboard layout other than english, and my keyboard shortcuts (such as CTRL+C to copy, CTRL+V to paste, etc...) are not working. in order to use these shortcuts i have to switch to english. is there a way to fix this problem? |
| 00:55.05 | Clau | Pryon, when I run glxinfo or glxgears |
| 00:55.21 | Pryon | Clau: do you have libGL.so.1 on your system? |
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| 00:55.43 | Clau | Pryon, nop |
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| 00:56.01 | c01100011 | are there any known conflicts with the nvidia-glx package and xmms ? |
| 00:56.29 | Pryon | Clau: then you probably need to install xlibmesa-gl |
| 00:56.31 | markybob | c01100011, check out the bts |
| 00:56.47 | c01100011 | markybob - bts ? sorry |
| 00:56.52 | Clau | Pryon, its installed |
| 00:57.02 | markybob | c01100011, bug tracking system. if it's known, it'll be there |
| 00:57.14 | bob2 | c01100011: yes |
| 00:57.15 | markybob | c01100011, /msg dpkg bts |
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| 00:57.25 | bob2 | nvidia breaks xmms |
| 00:57.29 | bob2 | film at 11 |
| 00:57.30 | mortalman | GoogleEarth is a no-go Houston. |
| 00:57.36 | bob2 | workaround is to install libmikmod2 |
| 00:57.37 | Pryon | Well, libGL.so.1 is part of xlibmesa-gl. If you've installed that package, then you should have that file. |
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| 00:58.06 | c01100011 | bob2 - i seems like nvidia is so much trouble i am begining to question why using the nvidia installer is so bd |
| 00:58.08 | c01100011 | bad* |
| 00:58.16 | Clau | Pryon, I think de same, that is the problem |
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| 00:58.45 | Pryon | I have no clue what's wrong, then. |
| 00:58.46 | tengulre | hi,all |
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| 00:59.35 | Clau | Pryon, any ideas? |
| 00:59.38 | dieeasy | can anyone tell me something about rtlimits? |
| 01:00.02 | Clau | Pryon, apt-get remove --purge xlibmesa-gl, then install? |
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| 01:00.22 | Pryon | Clau: That's something to try assuming it doesn't have too many inconvenient side-effects. |
| 01:00.35 | polluxx | hello! how can i have an overview anout the installed hard drives and partitions? |
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| 01:00.57 | Pryon | polluxx: fdisk /dev/<device of interest> |
| 01:01.07 | Clau | Pryon, but to many packages will be remove.. |
| 01:01.32 | frumious-0 | polluxx: fdisk -l |
| 01:01.53 | Pryon | Clau: Sorry, I have no ideas. |
| 01:01.56 | polluxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.24 | Pryon | Clau: Of course, if you're missing parts of xlibmesa-gl, then all the packages that depend on it are also broken and uninstalling them won't hurt. |
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| 01:02.28 | c01100011 | if i need glx and xmms to work with nvidia - do i have another option other than installing using the nvidia installer ? |
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| 01:03.02 | bob2 | c01100011: how would that help? |
| 01:03.04 | Clau | Pryon, ok, |
| 01:03.11 | bob2 | c01100011: I already told you how to fix it: 10:57:26 bob2 | workaround is to install libmikmod2 |
| 01:03.41 | polluxx | hm... fdsik -l doesnt do anything |
| 01:04.26 | c01100011 | bob2 - nvidia installer doesn't brake xmms on me like nvidia-glx does, and i didn't see the workaround, must of thought the message wasn't directed at me, thanks alot for you help |
| 01:05.02 | Clau | Pryon, then, that I do? |
| 01:05.17 | polluxx | does anyone konw how to automount a ntfs partition (from windows) |
| 01:05.20 | polluxx | ? |
| 01:05.44 | abrotman | !tell polluxx about ro-ntfs |
| 01:05.55 | abrotman | polluxx: and read man mount and man fstab |
| 01:06.06 | cafuego | polluxx: download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab |
| 01:06.12 | cafuego | polluxx: that does it all for you. |
| 01:06.56 | frumious-0 | polluxx: fdisk not fdsik. |
| 01:07.02 | polluxx | hm. i just want to automount ONE specific win-partition |
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| 01:07.21 | Pryon | Clau: After reinstalling xlibmesa-gl, verify that you have libGL.so.1 |
| 01:07.33 | cafuego | polluxx: Add it to /etc/fstab |
| 01:07.34 | Pryon | Then reinstall desired packages |
| 01:07.45 | Clau | Pryon, ok |
| 01:07.53 | polluxx | fdisk, thats what i meant. wrote it correct |
| 01:08.24 | polluxx | yesssssss...... add it in fstab, but how can i get the hda-number of the partition? |
| 01:08.31 | polluxx | how an i look that up? |
| 01:08.46 | Clau | Pryon, to many packages |
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| 01:09.01 | woodland | i dont find aptitude on KDE very cool, synaptic is much better, what do u think |
| 01:09.07 | dondelelcaro | polluxx: the device field will give it to you, assuming that partition is already in fstab |
| 01:09.16 | polluxx | no it snot |
| 01:09.18 | JimButton | what is "aptitude on KDE"? |
| 01:09.19 | polluxx | that it |
| 01:09.36 | dondelelcaro | polluxx: otherwise, you'll have to look at fdisk -l; or dmesg output to see what partition number is appropriate. |
| 01:09.38 | polluxx | i konow that its name is hda..... whatever...... 3,. 4 i dunno |
| 01:09.40 | woodland | aptitude is manager |
| 01:10.14 | woodland | is synantic better GUI manager than aptitude |
| 01:10.44 | dieeasy | does anybody know about the difference between realtime-lsm and rtlimits? |
| 01:10.55 | dondelelcaro | woodland: it's a personal preference question. |
| 01:11.03 | polluxx | hm fdsik -l does nothing. none happens when i type that |
| 01:11.04 | woodland | don, hi |
| 01:11.06 | _AgentSmith | is kde package still broken ??! |
| 01:11.15 | cafuego | polluxx: 'fdisk -l' and then you can probably guess from its size. |
| 01:11.16 | frumious-0 | polluxx: are you running "fdisk -l" as root? You need to. |
| 01:11.28 | woodland | i like synaptic, should i then remove 'aptitude' |
| 01:11.34 | polluxx | no, when i type fdisk -l nothing happens |
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| 01:11.38 | dondelelcaro | woodland: no real need to do so. |
| 01:11.47 | dondelelcaro | polluxx: fdisk -l /dev/hda; |
| 01:11.53 | cafuego | polluxx: You need to run it as root. if it still does nothing, run 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' |
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| 01:12.13 | eutopia | has anyone here got 5mins to test something with me using gpg? |
| 01:13.05 | meri | only 1 sec left - sorry |
| 01:13.07 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: just ask your question. |
| 01:13.20 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: i have no question |
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| 01:13.41 | woodland | if i delete 'aptitude' will that affect any other operation in KDE, i am planning to install synaptic |
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| 01:13.55 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: do you have 5mins to create a new key using gpg to see if you get same errors as me? |
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| 01:14.25 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: tell us the errors that you are getting; that is the question that you have. Alternatively, ask in #gnupg |
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| 01:14.40 | udo | hi |
| 01:14.46 | woodland | hi |
| 01:14.54 | polluxx | where do i have to add a mount point? |
| 01:15.03 | udo | :) |
| 01:15.04 | woodland | if i delete 'aptitude' will that affect any other operation in KDE, i am planning to install synaptic |
| 01:15.14 | polluxx | just wanna name it "winhd0" |
| 01:15.24 | polluxx | whre do i have tp put that in? |
| 01:15.25 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: i have created keys and have a secret and public key! But everytime I try to encrypt something, it says public key not found! any ideas? |
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| 01:15.34 | frumious-0 | woodland: no |
| 01:15.43 | woodland | frum, why |
| 01:15.51 | woodland | sorry |
| 01:15.52 | rob_lt | polluxx, /etc/fstab |
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| 01:16.19 | polluxx | i did so |
| 01:16.20 | woodland | frumious, so i can go ahead with deletion of 'aptitude' ? |
| 01:16.22 | rob_lt | woodland, and I wouldn't "delete" aptitude, I just wouldn't use it if you don't want to |
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| 01:16.39 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: give us the exact command you are using to encrypt the file; also, the contents of your ~/.gnupg/options will be useful |
| 01:16.48 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 01:16.59 | woodland | rob, what is the point of keeping aptitude if i can use synaptic instead ? |
| 01:17.11 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: how do I get a print out of gnupg/options to show you? |
| 01:17.12 | frumious-0 | woodland: if you want. |
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| 01:17.41 | polluxx | rob_lt: i named it winhd0 in the fstab and when i type mount /dev/hdb1 it sais "mount point /media/winhd0 does not exist" |
| 01:17.45 | woodland | frum,i just want to be assured that what i am doing is completely ok |
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| 01:18.01 | quiron33 | is it possible to run programs in remote computer usin ssh? |
| 01:18.09 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: when I type" gpg --list-public-keys" I get this" pub 1024D/2DCB1585 2005-08-22 |
| 01:18.15 | frumious-0 | woodland: part of Debian is to allow for removal of packages in an "ok" way. |
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| 01:18.17 | dondelelcaro | !tell eutopia -about paster |
| 01:18.34 | bob2 | quiron33: that's the point of ssh, yes |
| 01:18.36 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: and then to encrypt I type" gpg -e filename" |
| 01:18.51 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: and then it says: encryption failed: public key not found |
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| 01:19.22 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: is that all you need to see? |
| 01:19.31 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: and what about gpg -r 2dcb1585 -e filename; ? |
| 01:19.42 | xnet | I'm having trouble deleting a symbolic link, I can't get rm to do it. Any help? |
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| 01:19.59 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: it still says: encryption failed: public key not found |
| 01:20.22 | quiron33 | can I execute a X server i my computer, but with de server instaled in a remote computer? |
| 01:20.26 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: then you need to give me the contents of your ~/.gnupg/options file; because you're trying to encrypt to a key that you don't have the public key for. |
| 01:20.27 | frumious-0 | xnet: try using capitals: RM |
| 01:20.42 | frumious-0 | xnet: jk. Probably permissions are stopping you |
| 01:20.54 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: ok wait 2secs pls |
| 01:20.55 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: gpg -v -v -e filename; may also enlighten you. |
| 01:21.27 | xnet | frumious-0: i can't get it to show up when I type the beginning of it and press tab |
| 01:21.33 | rob_lt | polluxx, did you mkdir /media/winhd0? It won't actually create the mount point for you. |
| 01:21.35 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: I dont have an options file in ~/.gnupg/ |
| 01:21.44 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: do you have a gnupg.conf file? |
| 01:21.55 | frumious-0 | xnet: any reason not to just type it out? |
| 01:22.06 | dondelelcaro | s/gnupg/gpg/ |
| 01:22.10 | polluxx | sorry, rob_lt im new to linux |
| 01:22.15 | eutopia | i ahve a gpg.conf |
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| 01:22.26 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: it's the same thing. |
| 01:22.39 | xnet | frumious-0: shouldn't it show up? it's got spaces in it so when I type it out full it messes up. |
| 01:22.39 | eutopia | ok |
| 01:22.44 | eutopia | ill paste that on website |
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| 01:23.30 | TK-1 | anyone tell me which is the best and maby easyiest mail prog to install and setup thanks |
| 01:23.31 | frumious-0 | xnet: you can escape spaces with "\", ie file\ with\ spaces. Or you can surround the name with quotes 'file with spaces' |
| 01:23.59 | frumious-0 | TK-1: xemacs/gnus |
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| 01:24.15 | rob_lt | polluxx, no need to apologize, just create the directory as root and then add the entry in your /etc/fstab |
| 01:24.23 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 01:24.31 | ke6isf | TK-1: That's like asking "What's better, Windows or Linux?" in comp.os.*.advocacy. |
| 01:24.32 | TK-1 | is postfix hard to setup? |
| 01:24.33 | xnet | frumious-0: ohh, it mysteriously dissappeared |
| 01:24.47 | bob2 | TK-1: no |
| 01:24.47 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/532 |
| 01:24.48 | xnet | frumious-0: i must have done something write |
| 01:25.37 | polluxx | i did but it cant open it :( |
| 01:25.48 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: you don't have a default recipient set, so you'll always have to specify one on the commandline with -r; nor do you have a default-key set. |
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| 01:26.06 | rob_lt | polluxx, what do you get when you try "mount /media/winhd0"? |
| 01:26.10 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: so what command do I use? |
| 01:26.10 | polluxx | rob_lt: do i hev to reboot? |
| 01:26.16 | rob_lt | no |
| 01:26.24 | woodland | if i remove 'aptitude' will i be able to use 'apt-get' 'apt-cache'etc ? |
| 01:26.28 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: I tried before: gpg -r 2dcb1585 -e filename |
| 01:26.30 | eutopia | but same thing |
| 01:26.34 | woodland | i am installing synaptic |
| 01:26.35 | rob_lt | woodland, yes |
| 01:26.52 | paster | "a" at 80.58.6.235 pasted "sssssss" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/533 |
| 01:27.13 | woodland | rob, aptitude is similar to synaptic , right ? |
| 01:27.17 | polluxx | hm... i got a ntsf partition from windows xp that i wanna mount |
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| 01:27.52 | rob_lt | woodland, yes, in that they are both interfaces to install/remove software. Aptitude only runs in terminal, while synaptic is an actual GUI tool. |
| 01:28.18 | woodland | rob, that's why i find synaptic more cool |
| 01:28.19 | polluxx | i wrote the following into the fstab "/dev/hdb1 /media/winhd0 ntfs rw,user,auto 0 0" |
| 01:28.25 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: use the paster bot to provide the full output of gpg --list-keys 2DCB158 |
| 01:28.46 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: it said: gpg: error reading key: public key not found |
| 01:28.48 | uira | rob_lt: but, synaptic use apt... no aptitude... yes? |
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| 01:29.13 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: make that gpg --list-keys 2DCB1585; |
| 01:29.26 | frumious-0 | uira: neither. It uses libapt. |
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| 01:29.38 | uira | yeah! |
| 01:29.56 | rob_lt | uira, I think they use libapt. Synaptic is not just a GUI tool to use apt-get, afaik |
| 01:30.00 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/534 |
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| 01:30.26 | rob_lt | polluxx, what is the device of the windows partition? /dev/hd? |
| 01:30.40 | polluxx | rob_lt: i wrote "/dev/hdb1 /media/winhd0 ntfs rw,user,auto 0 0" into my fstab |
| 01:30.46 | polluxx | hdb1 |
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| 01:30.55 | abrotman | !ro-ntfs |
| 01:30.55 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
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| 01:31.37 | rob_lt | polluxx, do you want it mounted when you boot? Also, do you want users to have read permission or read & write permission? |
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| 01:31.51 | polluxx | as i write, yeah |
| 01:31.53 | kolian | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.53 | kolian | ke a silver flame The summit of beauty and love And |
| 01:31.53 | kolian | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.00 | edgarin | Hi I'm try to upgrade my system from sarge to unstable but exist a problem with the system try to install a package with name udev and the error says "Kernel 2.6.12 required" but not found this package |
| 01:32.09 | dondelelcaro | kolian: please do not paste stuff here. |
| 01:32.09 | deadcat | kolian: you want #80s |
| 01:32.19 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: u get my paste ok? |
| 01:32.19 | polluxx | sure otherwise i wouldnt have written it into the fstab. but my probnlem is that i cant access it |
| 01:32.21 | edgarin | someone source for add to sources.list and after install kernel 2.6.12 |
| 01:32.26 | ke6isf | wtf... |
| 01:32.28 | kolian | alright |
| 01:32.29 | woodland | i cant remove 'aptitude' using 'apt-get --purge remove aptitude' it says Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open |
| 01:32.31 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: and gpg -r 2DCB1585 -e somefile; still fails? try it with the -v option; because it should succeed. |
| 01:32.32 | polluxx | its mounted but i cant access its contents |
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| 01:32.41 | edgarin | ideas?? |
| 01:32.45 | woodland | Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 01:32.48 | ke6isf | !tell kolian -about paste |
| 01:32.50 | frumious-0 | woodland: are you root? |
| 01:32.52 | EasterSunshine | how did kolian send newlines to me client? |
| 01:32.52 | rob_lt | polluxx, try the entry as abrotman posted just above my last comment |
| 01:32.55 | deadcat | woodland: you tell us |
| 01:32.58 | woodland | i did su |
| 01:32.58 | uira | edgarin: this happen to me |
| 01:33.09 | ke6isf | EasterSunshine: Near as I can tell, a profuse number of spaces. |
| 01:33.19 | woodland | deadcat, i pasted what my terminal said |
| 01:33.22 | bob2 | woodland: close whatever else is using it then |
| 01:33.27 | bob2 | woodland: ie, synaptic, aptitude, apt-get |
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| 01:33.35 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: gpg -r 2DCB1585 -e filename says: encryption failed: public key not found |
| 01:33.45 | polluxx | you mean with "gid.." and all that stuff? |
| 01:33.49 | EasterSunshine | ke6isf: ahh i see |
| 01:34.07 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: so shall I try to type "gpg -v 2DCB1585 -e somefile" ? |
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| 01:34.15 | edgarin | uira: exist a solution or only compilate?? |
| 01:34.27 | deadcat | is there a expose(osx thing) for linux? (= |
| 01:34.32 | Nach | where can I find older Debian packages? |
| 01:34.35 | abrotman | deadcat: yes |
| 01:34.41 | deadcat | abrotman: whats it called? |
| 01:34.50 | deadcat | Nach: archives.debian.net |
| 01:34.53 | uira | edgarin: I dont know... |
| 01:34.53 | abrotman | deadcat: skippy |
| 01:34.59 | deadcat | abrotman: let me try it out |
| 01:34.59 | ke6isf | edgarin: Why are you trying to upgrade to unstable? iyhtays. |
| 01:35.00 | abrotman | deadcat: apt-cache search osx expose |
| 01:35.02 | paolob | Nach: http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 01:35.03 | woodland | i killed 'aptitude' but it still shows after i do 'ps -e' |
| 01:35.07 | deadcat | abrotman: roger that. |
| 01:35.23 | Seb | woodland: kill -9 ? |
| 01:35.25 | edgarin | ke6isf because I want try gnome 2.10 |
| 01:35.29 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: when I typed ""gpg -v 2DCB1585 -e somefile" it says: "usage: gpg [options] --encrypt [filename]" |
| 01:35.30 | edgarin | and my gambas not work |
| 01:35.35 | woodland | kill -9 aptitude ? |
| 01:35.59 | ke6isf | *shrug* |
| 01:36.03 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: -v in addition to -r |
| 01:36.06 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: any other ideas? :) |
| 01:36.23 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: ala: gpg -v -v -r 2DCB1585 -e somefile; |
| 01:36.31 | eutopia | ok ill try that |
| 01:36.45 | Nach | paolob, can you get debs from this? |
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| 01:36.54 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: it said: encryption failed: public key not found |
| 01:36.58 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: and? |
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| 01:37.03 | rob_lt | abrotman, is it necessary to set a uid/gid at all? I've never actually mounted an ntfs partition, and I'm just curious |
| 01:37.16 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: I typed "gpg -v -v -r 2DCB1585 -e test.txt" and it said same error |
| 01:37.22 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: it should have told you which key it was looking for |
| 01:37.25 | Jamsi | Loading conntrack FTp modules - how do you do this? Is it simply editing modules.conf or do I haev to recompile kernel? |
| 01:37.28 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: it didnt |
| 01:37.36 | abrotman | rob_lt: i've not done it in a while |
| 01:37.39 | paolob | Nach: the site is up! |
| 01:37.40 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: it just said: encryption failed: public key not found |
| 01:37.40 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: the only output was that line? |
| 01:37.46 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 01:37.51 | Nach | paolob, yes, but I only see source on this site |
| 01:37.52 | rob_lt | abrotman, ok, thanks. |
| 01:37.59 | deadcat | abrotman: is skippy working for you? |
| 01:38.01 | rob_lt | polluxx, is it working? |
| 01:38.02 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: it also said: gpg: none: skipped: public key not found |
| 01:38.03 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: it should have said something like gpg: 808d0fdF: skipped: public key not found |
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| 01:38.30 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: all it said was: gpg: none: skipped: public key not found and "encryption failed: public key not found" |
| 01:38.40 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: weird eh? |
| 01:38.42 | polluxx | no :( |
| 01:38.47 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: is this a gpg bug? |
| 01:38.51 | polluxx | like everyathing i try with linux |
| 01:38.58 | rob_lt | polluxx, oh come on now :) |
| 01:39.04 | rob_lt | polluxx, can I open a dialog window? |
| 01:39.04 | polluxx | i mean... at least my graphics crad now works |
| 01:39.07 | rob_lt | with you |
| 01:39.14 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: you've got something setting a default recipient of 'none' instead of a valid key. |
| 01:39.48 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: edit your ~/.gnupg/options to set the default-key to your key id, and the default-recipient to your key id. |
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| 01:39.59 | abrotman | deadcat: it has |
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| 01:40.04 | abrotman | deadcat: i don't actively use it |
| 01:40.13 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: where about do I do that? :P |
| 01:40.33 | abrotman | deadcat: let me try |
| 01:40.35 | deadcat | abrotman: its failing on me. |
| 01:40.39 | abrotman | deadcat: why? |
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| 01:40.50 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: in your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf |
| 01:40.58 | deadcat | abrotman: badaccess attempt to access private resource denited. |
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| 01:41.13 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: also, gpg --no-default-recipient -r 2DCB1585 -e foofile; will probably also work. |
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| 01:41.20 | woodland | when i use apt-get to install packages, does my laptop contact internet server,? |
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| 01:41.24 | abrotman | deadcat: you're on sid? |
| 01:41.33 | EasterSunshine | woodland: yes |
| 01:41.35 | bier_ | does anybody know how to delete a file safely? i found "shred" and "wipe", but i have a ext3 partition... so the changes to a file will be "logged"... |
| 01:41.37 | dondelelcaro | woodland: depends on your sources.list |
| 01:41.39 | deadcat | abrotman: yeep |
| 01:41.41 | woodland | ok |
| 01:41.43 | ke6isf | woodland: It should, if you are wired to the 'net. It won't if you're not. |
| 01:41.44 | bob2 | woodland: depends how apt is confirued |
| 01:41.55 | abrotman | deadcat: the man page mentions stuff about xorg |
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| 01:42.05 | deadcat | abrotman: xfree on ibook |
| 01:42.18 | EasterSunshine | woodland: if there is something in your sources.list that is not local, then it will contact that server when you install something from that repo |
| 01:42.19 | woodland | when i turn off my laptop, my screen flickers |
| 01:42.20 | fabsoft | hi, there is a program which can visualize video-output effects as winamp does ? |
| 01:42.25 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: what do I add to the file "~/.gnupg/gpg.conf" ? |
| 01:42.25 | abrotman | deadcat: hrm .. no idea .. it does work here |
| 01:42.34 | SimonRaven | *sigh* a configure script that pukes if you use one of its options... |
| 01:42.36 | ke6isf | woodland: Don't do... um... |
| 01:42.38 | deadcat | abrotman: doh. let me try the stable version |
| 01:42.39 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: it's already there. Set the default-key and default-recipient properly. |
| 01:42.54 | meri | bier_: burst your HDD and burn it out! |
| 01:42.55 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: any decent GPG howto explains these options; as does the manpage. |
| 01:43.03 | abrotman | deadcat: kind of |
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| 01:43.06 | abrotman | deadcat: it's iffy |
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| 01:43.11 | eutopia | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.14 | eutopia | encryption failed: public key not found |
| 01:43.14 | deadcat | abrotman: iffy? |
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| 01:43.38 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: i believe its a bug! for it should work |
| 01:43.39 | woodland | why does my screen flickers when i turn off laptop, i think i have installed correct video drivers |
| 01:43.57 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: try gpg --no-default-recipient --no-encrypt-to -r 2DCB1585 -e text.txt |
| 01:44.04 | eutopia | ok |
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| 01:44.13 | abrotman | deadcat: seems to only work in the viewport i start it in :) |
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| 01:44.26 | ke6isf | woodland: It might just be soemthing inherent to your hardware. |
| 01:44.33 | abrotman | deadcat: you're a gnome user ? |
| 01:44.39 | deadcat | abrotman: nope. |
| 01:44.40 | ke6isf | woodland: If the operations are otherwise unaffected, I wouldn't worry too much about it. |
| 01:44.44 | deadcat | abrotman: whats viewport? |
| 01:44.46 | woodland | ok |
| 01:44.50 | ke6isf | woodland: If you're really worried, back up your data and see your laptop dealer. |
| 01:45.06 | abrotman | deadcat: gnome has viewports .. like desktops .. which WM are you using? |
| 01:45.11 | deadcat | abrotman: ah. i am using xbindkeys )= |
| 01:45.11 | woodland | i dont know if i have correct nvidia driver, how do i check it |
| 01:45.17 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: that LAST command worked :) |
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| 01:45.31 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: gpg --no-default-recipient --no-encrypt-to -r 2DCB1585 -e text.txt <--- this worked |
| 01:45.33 | abrotman | deadcat: freshmeat might have more ? |
| 01:45.36 | xnet | I am trying to compile a module and it keeps telling me I have the wrong version. The fact is I uninstalled all gcc versions to troubleshoot the problem but it's still saying it has this wrong version. Is there any way for me check if there are still gccs installed? |
| 01:45.39 | bier_ | meri: great tip, thank you... |
| 01:45.47 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: how did you come to that command? :P |
| 01:45.49 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: then you have something in a configuration file setting an encrypt-to of 'none'; since that isn't in the configuration file that you pasted, you've got something strange going on. |
| 01:45.51 | deadcat | abrotman: damn its nice. not fancy but its what i need. |
| 01:45.52 | abrotman | deadcat: you also might have more in sid |
| 01:45.57 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: man gpg |
| 01:45.59 | woodland | i dont know if i have correct nvidia driver, how do i check it |
| 01:46.07 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: |
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| 01:46.09 | deadcat | abrotman: i search osx expose its the only match |
| 01:46.18 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: 'info gpg' has more info and is much more comprehensive. |
| 01:46.25 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: ill just use your command from now on! |
| 01:46.28 | deadcat | abrotman: you the man (= |
| 01:46.38 | ke6isf | eutopia: Copy that into a shell script. |
| 01:46.44 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: no, you shouldn't. Fix your configuration. |
| 01:46.44 | abrotman | deadcat: does it work ok or not ? |
| 01:46.55 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: yes, I'm quite familiar with the info documentation; |
| 01:47.02 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: in this case, howver, browsing the manpage is far faster. |
| 01:47.11 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Noted. |
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| 01:47.35 | woodland | i dont know if i have correct nvidia driver, how do i check it |
| 01:47.54 | deadcat | abrotman: ya. no fancy fade effect but its all good. i just needed something to show all the opened tabs so i can select. alt+tab in openbox suck (= but now i need xbindkeys too (= |
| 01:48.01 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: also, you have to have gnupg-doc installled, which I often don't. |
| 01:48.10 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: True enough. |
| 01:48.18 | ke6isf | Hmm... |
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| 01:48.23 | abrotman | deadcat: use blackbox/bbkeys |
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| 01:48.37 | woodland | hi abrot |
| 01:48.39 | nightserver | !list |
| 01:48.39 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 01:48.40 | ke6isf | How do I search only package names using apt-cache (e.g., I want to install foo-doc, ergo look for *-doc) |
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| 01:48.54 | deadcat | abrotman: i use xbindkeys because it wont depend on the manager.. |
| 01:48.55 | SimonRaven | dumbass |
| 01:48.56 | bob2 | ke6isf: man apt-cache; hint: --names-only\ |
| 01:49.00 | abrotman | deadcat: ok |
| 01:49.13 | abrotman | SimonRaven: ravenbird? |
| 01:49.28 | ke6isf | bob2: Thanks. |
| 01:49.33 | SimonRaven | er, it should've been here by now... |
| 01:49.47 | woodland | i dont know if i have correct nvidia driver, how do i check it |
| 01:49.51 | eutopia | ke6isf: yeah good idea :) |
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| 01:50.12 | TextBrowserAddic | Hey all~ |
| 01:50.13 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: yes but pls realise, im a newbie and I dont know how to fix that in configuration |
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| 01:50.27 | deadcat | abrotman: ah. start skippy then xbindkeys HAHAHAH |
| 01:50.31 | woodland | hi eutopia |
| 01:50.34 | abrotman | deadcat: all workie then? |
| 01:50.44 | deadcat | abrotman: yes sir |
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| 01:51.24 | dieeasy | i read a post (dpkg) about ro-ntfs, i noticed the fmask and dmask parameters, which i don't find in man mount, can anyone tell me more? |
| 01:51.50 | ke6isf | Wow, 679 packages ending in -doc. |
| 01:51.50 | abrotman | deadcat: it seems to have issues with gnome/nautilus |
| 01:51.55 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: just open up an editor and edit away; it's farily straightforward. |
| 01:52.07 | ke6isf | That's a helluva lot of documentation. =^_^= |
| 01:52.08 | deadcat | abrotman: luckily i aint using those junk (= |
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| 01:52.25 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: yes but I wouldnt know what to edit :P or what to add :P! |
| 01:52.29 | abrotman | deadcat: i suspect it has to do with drawing to the desktop when you hit F11 |
| 01:52.51 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: edit ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf and set your default-key to your keyid and default-recipient to your keyid. |
| 01:52.54 | deadcat | abrotman: i switched to F12 now. since f10 and f11 is used for 2nd and 3rd button mouse |
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| 01:53.03 | abrotman | deadcat: oh .. stupid mac :) |
| 01:53.06 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: i found this: #default-key 621CC013 |
| 01:53.14 | dondelelcaro | dieeasy: it really is in the mount manpage. |
| 01:53.15 | deadcat | abrotman: hahaha |
| 01:53.20 | deadcat | abrotman: s/mac/jobs/ |
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| 01:53.22 | abrotman | deadcat: why not use the openapple key ? |
| 01:53.26 | eutopia | so i change it to: #default-key 2DCB1585 ? |
| 01:53.38 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: change it to default-key 2DBCB1585 |
| 01:53.41 | TextBrowserAddic | I've spent about 10-15 hours with many forums, including linuxhelp, justlinux, linuxquestions, and even linuxiso, to no avail. T_T I'm having a problem with startx crashing out with a fatal error :can't initialize core components. It complains about my mouse, but I have psmouse in my /dev/modules... and I also have udev... and my refresh rates are what my laptop reccommends... but i just can't seemto get it to work. Anyone |
| 01:53.46 | deadcat | abrotman: oh? for the mouse? i am using pbbuttons as well |
| 01:53.47 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: done :) |
| 01:53.55 | TextBrowserAddic | *breaths* that was a rough type |
| 01:53.57 | dieeasy | dondelcaro: I'll look another time, thnx! |
| 01:54.00 | bob2 | "/dev/modules" doesn't exist anywhere |
| 01:54.06 | TextBrowserAddic | ... ? |
| 01:54.12 | bob2 | also, you'll need to put your X log somewhere |
| 01:54.15 | TextBrowserAddic | but when i typed in cat /dev/modules it has it |
| 01:54.16 | bob2 | and your X config file |
| 01:54.20 | abrotman | TextBrowserAddic: and mousedev ? |
| 01:54.20 | dondelelcaro | TextBrowserAddic: you're going to need to use the paster bot to paste the content of /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 01:54.23 | bob2 | do you mean /etc/modules? |
| 01:54.27 | dondelelcaro | !tell TextBrowserAddic -about paster |
| 01:54.29 | TextBrowserAddic | oh haha |
| 01:54.30 | TextBrowserAddic | yah thats it. |
| 01:54.44 | TextBrowserAddic | I didn't paste --; |
| 01:54.47 | abrotman | TextBrowserAddic: and mousedev ? |
| 01:54.51 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: what else I change? |
| 01:54.58 | fabsoft | hi, is there a program which can visualize video-output effects as winamp does ? |
| 01:55.03 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: edit ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf and set your default-key to your keyid and default-recipient to your keyid. |
| 01:55.05 | TextBrowserAddic | I'm not sure what mousedev is. I only had a few forum posts to go on. I'm rather new to this. |
| 01:55.08 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: I changed it to #default-key 2DCB1585 |
| 01:55.14 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: no # |
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| 01:55.26 | ke6isf | eutopia: Prefixing with a # comments out the line. |
| 01:55.46 | eutopia | ke6isf: thanks |
| 01:56.02 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: ok its done!. i changted default key |
| 01:56.15 | TextBrowserAddic | uhh~ How can I upload my x log and x config? |
| 01:56.19 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:56.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 01:56.31 | dondelelcaro | TextBrowserAddic: use the paster bot like dpkg has told you |
| 01:56.32 | ke6isf | eutopia: A little hint here, in config files you will find a specific character will comment a line. Usually it's #, sometimes it's a semicolon (;), common in BIND and related. |
| 01:56.33 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: and I change #default-recipient some-user-id ? |
| 01:56.36 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: yes. |
| 01:56.39 | abrotman | TextBrowserAddic: modprobe mousedev .. try to start X again |
| 01:56.44 | eutopia | ke6isf: ah ok ty |
| 01:56.49 | xnet | I'm trying to remove all gcc versions on my system because when trying to compiling a module it keeps telling me that there is a version of gcc that is installed which is not installed. And two empty files gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4 keep showing up. Does anyone know what is the cause of this? |
| 01:56.57 | TextBrowserAddic | okay thankyou abrotman |
| 01:57.01 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: do I add same thing there? or my username? |
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| 01:57.05 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: same thing. |
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| 01:57.15 | ke6isf | eutopia: Usage of C comment syntax (either a // before a single line or /* commenting as so for multiple lines */ will be found. |
| 01:57.16 | abrotman | !tell dimethyl about knoppix |
| 01:57.29 | eutopia | ke6isf: ok |
| 01:57.35 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: ok done :) |
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| 01:57.36 | Xenguy | SSH question: I apt-get'd the latest version in SID, and it installed some new packages (openssh-client and openssh-server). Everything seems to work alright AFAICT, but I didn't see any real mention of the change in /usr/share/docs. Can anyone confirm whether this upgrade is seamless, or should I be double-checking my configuration files, etc. ? |
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| 01:58.08 | ke6isf | eutopia: The C syntax however is exceedingly rare. |
| 01:58.12 | abrotman | ravenbird: yay |
| 01:58.13 | ravenbird | i heard yay is YAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:58.15 | eutopia | ke6isf: ok |
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| 01:58.50 | SimonRaven | @test2 |
| 01:58.50 | ravenbird | No I'm not online anymore |
| 01:58.54 | abrotman | TextBrowserAddic: DO NOT msg me |
| 01:58.58 | dondelelcaro | Xenguy: it should be seamless, but the changes would be documented in /usr/share/doc/openssh-client/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 01:59.05 | abrotman | TextBrowserAddic: talk in the channel |
| 01:59.12 | dondelelcaro | (and possibly News.Debian.gz) |
| 01:59.22 | TextBrowserAddic | Thankyou all~ |
| 01:59.23 | Xenguy | dondelelcaro: I'll check again, thanks |
| 01:59.28 | abrotman | TextBrowserAddic: stop msg'ing me |
| 01:59.45 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: i changed those 2 as you said! and now when I type "gpg -e filename" , it still says: "encryption failed: public key not found" |
| 01:59.47 | edgarin | howto compilate the kernel |
| 01:59.57 | abrotman | TextBrowserAddic: as a general rule .. don't /msg anyone on irc without permission |
| 01:59.58 | edgarin | make all && make clean bzImage modules modules_install ??? |
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| 02:00.02 | ke6isf | !iyhtays edgarin |
| 02:00.03 | dpkg | edgarin: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 02:00.06 | dvs | !tell edgarin about kp |
| 02:00.13 | Smoked1 | whats a good package to install for www stats |
| 02:00.14 | Smoked1 | ? |
| 02:00.28 | edgarin | ok |
| 02:00.32 | abrotman | webalizer |
| 02:00.39 | abrotman | TextBrowserAddic: DO NOT msg me |
| 02:00.43 | dieeasy | dondelcaro: sorry, i can't seem to find fmask and dmask, I did a search in the manpage but nothing.. do i need nomething special installed to be able to use these? |
| 02:00.51 | Xenguy | dondelelcaro: yeah, it is mentioned briefly, but not too much said. I guess no news is good news ;-) |
| 02:01.10 | abrotman | TextBrowserAddic: god damn it .. if i tell you to stop . don't msg me to apologize |
| 02:01.29 | TextBrowserAddic | oh |
| 02:01.31 | TextBrowserAddic | i havent... |
| 02:01.33 | TextBrowserAddic | been looking |
| 02:01.36 | TextBrowserAddic | in thischannel... |
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| 02:01.42 | ke6isf | !enter TextBrowserAddic |
| 02:01.45 | TextBrowserAddic | T_T sorry about that. |
| 02:01.51 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: so even after we fixed the config, it still claims no public key found :P! so it seems that earlier command you gave me is the only way to make it work |
| 02:01.53 | ke6isf | !tell TextBrowserAddic -about enter |
| 02:01.57 | ke6isf | OK, that works. |
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| 02:02.37 | deadcat | abrotman: oh. the problem was changin from f11 to f12 |
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| 02:02.44 | abrotman | deadcat: that's a problem? |
| 02:02.54 | deadcat | ya |
| 02:02.58 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:03.00 | TextBrowserAddic | Wow... I keep messing up. --; heh sorry. Okay Well I apprecaite all the help you guys ahve given me so far. I'm off to try to figgure out now why my mouse won't work properly and my resolution is only baout half the size it could be. |
| 02:03.21 | abrotman | !drxx TextBrowserAddic |
| 02:03.22 | dpkg | TextBrowserAddic: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:04.08 | TextBrowserAddic | I take it that's a common problem. ^_^ I have alot to learn. Thankyou. |
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| 02:04.22 | deadcat | abrotman: nope. xbindkeys was off.. hehe it was skippy && xbindkeys in order to work |
| 02:04.38 | abrotman | deadcat: so it works ? |
| 02:04.41 | xnet | i'm trying to compile a module and it keeps telling me I have gcc-3.4 and I don't have it installed. anyone know how I can get it pointing to the one I have installed? |
| 02:04.46 | deadcat | abrotman: ya. very nice. |
| 02:04.54 | deadcat | abrotman: trying to make the border smaller (= |
| 02:04.54 | xnet | if I echo $CC it says gcc-3.3 |
| 02:04.55 | abrotman | deadcat: good ... |
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| 02:05.59 | abrotman | xnet: dpkg -l | grep gcc |
| 02:06.21 | abrotman | or g++ |
| 02:06.25 | eutopia | ke6isf: see you next time :) ty for all your help |
| 02:06.34 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: see you next time, ty |
| 02:06.38 | ke6isf | eutopia: No problem. |
| 02:07.50 | xnet | abrotman: it says gcc-3.3, gcc-3.3-base and gcc-4.0-base |
| 02:08.08 | djperegrine | I have two questions, where do you unzip the kernel source and how do you unzip tar.bz2 files ? |
| 02:08.22 | abrotman | xnet: so you have 4 installed but 3.3 is your default ? |
| 02:08.24 | dvs | djace: tar -xjvf for the second question |
| 02:08.42 | xnet | based on what $CC says I assume so |
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| 02:09.09 | dvs | djperegrine: Some say unzip the kernel in /usr/src, some say your home directory. It's up to you. |
| 02:09.10 | abrotman | xnet: ls -l /usr/bin/gcc |
| 02:09.23 | djperegrine | ok |
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| 02:09.46 | xnet | abrotman: at some point I had gcc-3.4 installed, but now anymore. It says no file or directory |
| 02:10.03 | woodland | how do i update my video card card driver, i have nvidia card |
| 02:10.04 | abrotman | xnet: you should have /usr/bin/gcc |
| 02:10.14 | abrotman | xnet: do you have a gcc in your path ? |
| 02:10.27 | ke6isf | synaptic |
| 02:10.30 | ke6isf | oops, wrong window... |
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| 02:11.15 | litage | how can i install the verdana font without having to use a font server? |
| 02:11.47 | xnet | abrotman: well it's a automated file |
| 02:12.02 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 02:12.22 | abrotman | $ which gcc |
| 02:12.22 | abrotman | /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 02:12.40 | xnet | yeah it says that now |
| 02:13.01 | xnet | i just did, mv gcc-3.3 gcc |
| 02:13.04 | abrotman | xnet: so ls -l /usr/bin/gcc should do something |
| 02:13.11 | abrotman | xnet: don't do that |
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| 02:13.37 | dondelelcaro | ugh. You set which gcc you are using by the use of CC and/or HOSTCC, not by screwing with the default gcc. |
| 02:13.39 | ke6isf | Is there some advantage to a 686 kernel versus a 386 kernel? |
| 02:13.47 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: depends on the hardware |
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| 02:14.00 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Well, assuming I have a P4 under the hood.... |
| 02:14.06 | xnet | CC said it was gcc-3.3 |
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| 02:14.20 | xnet | I tried to apt-get install gcc , but it wouldn't let me |
| 02:14.27 | abrotman | why not? |
| 02:14.38 | abrotman | xnet: are you running debian or something based on it ? |
| 02:14.53 | xnet | debian |
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| 02:14.59 | TextBrowserAddic | Abrotman, thankyou for your help so far. The dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ran smothly, but now I have a new fatal error. It says could not mmap pci memory. Does this have something to do with my integrated video card? I wasn't sure of it's RAM so I entered 128... |
| 02:15.11 | Smoked1 | Webalizer is only using one file but I have a bunch of apache logs from the months before. How do I tell webalizer to build from all of the logs so that I can see what they were like for past months |
| 02:15.16 | abrotman | TextBrowserAddic: i've never seen that error |
| 02:16.02 | TextBrowserAddic | Oh ;; |
| 02:16.02 | xnet | hmm... it just let me install it now |
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| 02:16.17 | TextBrowserAddic | Well i apprecaite your patience with me anyhow. ^_^ |
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| 02:17.01 | Smerdyakov | I'm going to be using my hosting provider's FTP/sambda backup service. Any suggestions on good software to use to manage a backup regime? I see the 'backup-manager' package at the top of a Google search, and I thought I'd solicit some opinions here. |
| 02:17.35 | skel_home | Smerdyakov: I like rsync |
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| 02:18.11 | Smerdyakov | skel_home, that doesn't manage multiple different backups and easy retrieval of them. |
| 02:18.23 | frumious-0 | Smerdyakov: for a while I used rlbackup (based on rsync) and quite liked it |
| 02:18.32 | abrotman | TextBrowserAddic: wait a bit .. ask again .. or try the drxx thing again .. and leave that number blank |
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| 02:18.49 | TextBrowserAddic | oh ^_^ |
| 02:18.52 | Xenguy | Smerdyakov: there's rsnapshot |
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| 02:18.56 | frumious-0 | Smerdyakov: but, you'll need to install it from source - no Debian package |
| 02:19.00 | TextBrowserAddic | okay ":-) |
| 02:19.02 | Xenguy | Smerdyakov: bacula is another |
| 02:19.20 | Xenguy | Smerdyakov: (dunno if they're in Debian; check that) |
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| 02:20.12 | Smerdyakov | rlbackup looks interesting. This many-for-the-price-of-almost-one is appealing. |
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| 02:20.53 | Anji||Mariko | OK, I am running Debian testing, and I'm trying to install WINE. I followed the instructions on the wineHQ site (added their repository to sources.list, ran apt-get build-dep), but when I try to run `apt-get --build source wine` it fails when trying to build from the source |
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| 02:21.07 | Xenguy | Smerdyakov: the 2 I mentioned are in Debian after all |
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| 02:21.26 | TextBrowserAddic | Ahh, leaving the number blank fixed it. Now my screen is full size. I still don't have mouse functionality though~ |
| 02:21.34 | Xenguy | Anji||Mariko: don't compile, use apt-get |
| 02:21.44 | Smerdyakov | Xenguy, that's a definite competitive advantage over others. :) |
| 02:21.51 | Xenguy | Anji||Mariko: sorry, misread |
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| 02:22.01 | TextBrowserAddic | I feel bad asking for help without being able to contribute. Is there any way I can compensate? |
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| 02:22.17 | Anji||Mariko | I've looked at config.log like it told me to, and it appears that when it called gcc, gcc couldn't find two libs and didn't handle a .h file |
| 02:22.31 | Smerdyakov | TextBrowserAddic, run popcon! ;) |
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| 02:22.34 | Xenguy | TextBrowserAddic: relax :-) Just learn about debian, and later on you'll be able to help others |
| 02:22.41 | TextBrowserAddic | What's popcon? |
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| 02:22.45 | Anji||Mariko | I have limited C++ experience, by the by, if that helps |
| 02:22.47 | Smerdyakov | TextBrowserAddic, popularity contest for packages. |
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| 02:22.55 | TextBrowserAddic | oh ^_^ |
| 02:23.29 | kylixen | Does anybody have any experience booting the Debian netinstall from windows? I haven't any way to boot from floppy or cdrom. Been trying loadlin but it doesn't seem to work. |
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| 02:24.01 | Anji||Mariko | TextBrowserAddic, I felt the same way when I started learning linux/Debian, but even with the limited knowledge I've gained I've helped people out already, so Xenguy is right |
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| 02:24.36 | Anji||Mariko | kylixen, booting from Windows? you mean from a computer that has windows installed on it? |
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| 02:24.59 | jesus | Does not steam work in these moments with cedega? |
| 02:25.03 | sc123 | hi all - i'm trying to install synaptic but all dependencies are killing me, especially libpango...is there a command or app (I'm using Knoppix 3.9) that will auto-resolve the dependencies? |
| 02:25.11 | TextBrowserAddic | ^_^ cool. Thanks. I seem to only have one remaining milestone before I beleive I'll be able to take advantage of debian. My ps/2 touchpad mouse isn't responding at all. I probably set it up worng, but I'm not sure how to set it up right. Any ideas? |
| 02:25.11 | kylixen | Anji||Mariko: no. From windows. With something like loadlin or overwritting the windows boot loader with wingrub. |
| 02:25.12 | gravity | sc123: #knoppix |
| 02:26.08 | Anji||Mariko | does knoppix have apt-get? That'll handle dependencies |
| 02:26.08 | frumious-0 | kylixen: if not floppy/cd what about USB memory stick? |
| 02:26.16 | rob_lt | TextBrowserAddic, also, if you lurk in this channel, you will see that many people will ask the same questions, for example "how do I change my resolution". dpkg has canned answers for alot of these questions, so not only will you learn the solution, but how to give the solution to someone else |
| 02:26.18 | kylixen | I haven't got one. |
| 02:26.30 | rob_lt | such as the following: |
| 02:26.30 | sc123 | yes it does Anji, but what's the command to auto-resolve dependenices? |
| 02:26.38 | rob_lt | !tell TextBrowserAddic about drx |
| 02:26.38 | jesus | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.38 | jesus | Bay that to wait for an update? |
| 02:26.44 | TextBrowserAddic | ahh ^_^ That's cool. thankyou |
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| 02:26.53 | gravity | jesus: You probably want to ask in a cedega channel for that |
| 02:26.59 | frumious-0 | kylixen: do you have another Linux system on the local network? you could try a netboot based install |
| 02:27.01 | ke6isf | Anji||Mariko: #knoppix is thataway ---> |
| 02:27.05 | Anji||Mariko | apt-get always seemed to do fine with dependencies for me just by itself |
| 02:27.07 | jesus | thx |
| 02:27.44 | Xenguy | jesus: #winehq |
| 02:27.57 | Anji||Mariko | ke6isf, if you read near my comment I was helping sc123 |
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| 02:28.06 | jesus | Xenguy thx |
| 02:28.17 | Xenguy | yw |
| 02:28.18 | shingouz | Anji||Mariko: knoppix is not supported here at all... |
| 02:28.25 | Anji||Mariko | Xenguy, there's a winehq channel on freenode here? Is that probably a better place to ask about my issue? |
| 02:28.50 | ke6isf | Anji||Mariko: And this is #debian, not #knoppix. Don't answer Knoppix questions in here. |
| 02:29.00 | Xenguy | Anji||Mariko: dunno about your issue, but yes there is #winehq |
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| 02:30.10 | roberto_ | Can anyone tell me how to get mutt to HELO with a FQDN? I am experimenting with Postfix UCE controls, but it is breaking my ability to send mail from mutt. |
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| 02:30.41 | Xenguy | Anji||Mariko: have you tried just apt-get'ing wine and installing the regular way (instead of installing source) ? |
| 02:31.09 | sc123 | well to those you attempted to help me before being shitlisted, thanks |
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| 02:31.28 | _mignon_ | im dumb |
| 02:31.34 | _mignon_ | ? |
| 02:31.44 | De_Mon | _mignon_ there's a t-shirt, you want one? |
| 02:31.44 | ke6isf | _mignon_: Well, we can't help with that.... =^_^= |
| 02:31.51 | dvs | Here's your sign |
| 02:31.59 | De_Mon | (nametag) |
| 02:31.59 | ke6isf | !dvs++ |
| 02:32.01 | Anji||Mariko | Xenguy, for some reason the wine package isn't showing up in synaptic (I double and triple-checked that I had the right sources.list entry already), and apt-get doesn't see it either |
| 02:32.16 | De_Mon | Anji||Mariko did you update? |
| 02:32.19 | Xenguy | Anji||Mariko: which debian version? |
| 02:32.23 | Anji||Mariko | I think it's because I'm running x86_64 architecture |
| 02:32.28 | Anji||Mariko | De_Mon, of course |
| 02:32.44 | bob2 | how would you use wine with a 64-bit userland? |
| 02:32.49 | kylixen | Can someone help me boot the Sarge disk with loadlin? I can't seem to figure it out. |
| 02:33.01 | bob2 | loadlin doesn't work with modern Windows |
| 02:33.04 | Smerdyakov | OK, so so far I'm aware of the rnapshot and bacula packages that do network backup in Debian. Does anyone have any reasons way one might prefer one of these over the other? |
| 02:33.14 | Smerdyakov | s/way/why |
| 02:33.19 | Anji||Mariko | Xenguy, it was Sarge back when Sarge was testing, and I left it set to the testing repository, so I believe it's still testing |
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| 02:33.37 | kylixen | bob2: devastating. What would you suggest instead? |
| 02:33.55 | bob2 | kylixen: why do yo uwant to use loadlin? |
| 02:34.13 | De_Mon | Smerdyakov nope |
| 02:34.14 | Xenguy | Anji||Mariko: what bob2 said |
| 02:34.14 | kylixen | bob2: Shitty laptop with no way to configure a boot device other than the harddrive. |
| 02:34.18 | dvs | bob2: Can't boot from floppy or CD |
| 02:34.37 | bob2 | oh, you want to start the install with loadlin? hah. |
| 02:34.41 | bob2 | no PXE? |
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| 02:34.53 | _mignon_ | just buy bloody windows |
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| 02:35.31 | ke6isf | _mignon_: Jane, you ignorant slut. Everybody knows you don't buy windows, you warez it. |
| 02:35.42 | dondelelcaro | kylixen: so take out the harddrive and install Debian on it that way. |
| 02:35.51 | kylixen | Wingrub is ridiculously obtuse compared to it's *nix counterpart. |
| 02:35.57 | polluxx | again a question: where ca i find installed apps? for example, i installed firefox and vlc... where are they located? |
| 02:36.11 | dondelelcaro | polluxx: dpkg -L mozilla-firefox; FE |
| 02:36.12 | _mignon_ | whos jane ? |
| 02:36.12 | dvs | polluxx: dpkg -L <package-name> |
| 02:36.24 | ke6isf | _mignon_: how old are you? |
| 02:36.26 | Anji||Mariko | Well, I can use plenty of other 32-bit apps, so why would Wine be different? |
| 02:36.28 | kylixen | Any suggestions? |
| 02:36.32 | _mignon_ | 16 |
| 02:36.51 | kylixen | Wow, this router keeps losing state so everything will just stack on me. |
| 02:37.01 | dvs | _mignon_: Dammit! I'm twice your age. |
| 02:37.16 | _mignon_ | your old |
| 02:37.21 | bob2 | polluxx: each package is many files, if you mean the executables, you need to say that in your question |
| 02:37.28 | De_Mon | Smerdyakov after running aptitude show for both of the packages you mentioned, I'd like to revise my answer to "number of features, requirements and simplicity" |
| 02:37.32 | dvs | _mignon_: Sure... rub it in... see if I help you... ;-) |
| 02:37.34 | bob2 | _mignon_: do you have anything useful to contribute? |
| 02:37.44 | _mignon_ | yes |
| 02:37.48 | bob2 | awesome |
| 02:37.56 | bob2 | Anji||Mariko: it's not |
| 02:37.58 | kylixen | dondelelcaro: Take the harddive *out* of the laptop and install it that way... wtf? |
| 02:37.58 | Smerdyakov | De_Mon, OK... and do those criteria lead you to pick one? |
| 02:38.01 | De_Mon | bob2 hes's an idiot, that was useful |
| 02:38.02 | ke6isf | _mignon_: OK, it's older than you. Look up "Jane, you ignorant slut" on Urbandictionary. |
| 02:38.09 | polluxx | i didnt install mozilla-firefox with apt. took the installer from the firefox-website. was that a mistake? |
| 02:38.24 | _mignon_ | im busy |
| 02:38.25 | dondelelcaro | kylixen: yes; if your machine can't boot off of anything but the harddrive, that's the easiest method to use. |
| 02:38.27 | De_Mon | Smerdyakov I perfer the simpliest solution, so... rsnapshot is what I'd try first |
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| 02:38.41 | _mignon_ | your just fat and old |
| 02:38.41 | bob2 | polluxx: that's fine, as long as you put it in /usr/local/ or ~/ |
| 02:38.41 | ke6isf | _mignon_: ...then when you get time, do that. |
| 02:38.43 | dvs | polluxx: Unless there's a specific reason you needed the latest version |
| 02:38.49 | De_Mon | Smerdyakov but if I wanted cool features to play with and database integeration blablabla I'd pick the "advanced" one |
| 02:38.56 | _mignon_ | joking ? |
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| 02:39.16 | polluxx | i couldnt choose the folder... |
| 02:39.28 | kylixen | dondelelcaro: That doesn't sound like a feesible method at all. It's really as simple as overwritting the boot sector and using grub to boot it. It's just that I am frustrated at how non-affective grub for windows is. |
| 02:39.44 | De_Mon | _mignon_ I think he wants you to be quiet |
| 02:39.47 | ke6isf | !beer bob2 |
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| 02:40.01 | dondelelcaro | kylixen: how did you install Debian in the first place on this machine? |
| 02:40.27 | De_Mon | dondelelcaro how does he install ANYTHING? |
| 02:41.12 | kylixen | Oh wow, I love this router. It's so great for it to lose state for like 2 minutes and then just gain it again. Splendiferous |
| 02:41.15 | De_Mon | kylixen how would you reinstall windows? |
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| 02:41.22 | polluxx | well... i mean when i install an app on windows i can chosse the folder. in this case i couldnt. whats the default folder? (like program-files in windows) |
| 02:41.27 | Anji||Mariko | 'nother question: I installed rar and unrar, I was root when I did it, all that, but it still doesn't want to run. I noticed it installed to /usr/local/bin instead of /usr/bin; do I probably need to add /usr/local/bin to my search path or whatever to get it to work? |
| 02:41.31 | exobyte | on rs-232, is the ground potential HIGHER than, say, tx? On ttl, is it the normal ground is lower than tx and vcc? |
| 02:41.51 | De_Mon | polluxx depends on what you're installing. /usr/local/ if you're not sure |
| 02:41.54 | ke6isf | Anji||Mariko: Might be easier to just ln -s into /usr/bin. |
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| 02:42.01 | bob2 | polluxx: there isn't one |
| 02:42.12 | bob2 | polluxx: /usr/local/ is a common place |
| 02:42.14 | dondelelcaro | Anji||Mariko: the Debian packages would have installed them into /usr/bin |
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| 02:42.24 | kylixen | dondelelcaro: Windows has a way of autorunning the XP disk and setting that on it's bootloader to load it on the next reboot |
| 02:42.30 | dvs | bob2: *cough* it's called /opt now |
| 02:42.37 | polluxx | hm, theres nothin in there |
| 02:42.41 | kylixen | dondelelcaro: This is a new toy of mine. It doesn't have debian on it, that is my goal... |
| 02:42.52 | bob2 | dvs: /opt is not in the fhs at all anymore |
| 02:42.57 | frumious-0 | kylixen: PXE? |
| 02:43.04 | kylixen | PXE? |
| 02:43.06 | kylixen | Elaborate? |
| 02:43.06 | Xenguy | Smerdyakov: to muddy the waters further, I've also heard good things of 'dirvish' (I've used none of these packages myself BTW :-) |
| 02:43.17 | bob2 | kylixen: "can it do PXE (aka network) boot" |
| 02:43.17 | dvs | bob2: Really? It's back to /usr/local? |
| 02:43.25 | De_Mon | kylixen you sure know how to pick your toys :P |
| 02:43.30 | frumious-0 | kylixen: if it is new enough you can netboot. You need a dhcp server and tftp |
| 02:43.34 | dondelelcaro | kylixen: well, the easiest method, again, is to take out the harddrive if that's the only method of booting available; ideally, you'd be able to use a usb key, a cdrom, network boot, or a floppy. If you don't have it, then ripping out the harddrive is simpler than dealing with loadlin. |
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| 02:43.51 | Anji||Mariko | dondelelcaro, didn't have any debian packages for it, downloaded from the winRAR site |
| 02:44.09 | mfrisch | for rar |
| 02:44.21 | mfrisch | there is 2 |
| 02:44.23 | dondelelcaro | Anji||Mariko: those things are packaged in Debian; regardless, /usr/local/bin should be in your PATH; if not, add it. |
| 02:44.29 | djperegrine | after I compile a module(ivtv) that requires the kernel sources do I need to recompile the kernel? |
| 02:44.37 | djperegrine | or can I just run update modules ? |
| 02:44.38 | dondelelcaro | (well, in non-free, anyway) |
| 02:44.42 | dvs | djperegrine: No, |
| 02:44.48 | dondelelcaro | djperegrine: depends on the module. |
| 02:44.49 | kylixen | dondelelcaro: What the shit is up with you and pull out the hard drive? It's a laptop, that's the biggest and most painful way to do this. This would be gravy if friggen grub for windows worked. Ideally, the BIOS would be able to choose the boot device. |
| 02:44.57 | De_Mon | Anji||Mariko i rar - Archiver for .rar files |
| 02:45.06 | bob2 | dvs: the ipv6 "module" requires a kernel recompile, for instance |
| 02:45.09 | De_Mon | I've got rar installed and it works great |
| 02:45.14 | kylixen | dondelelcaro: As I found out a minute ago, loadlin isn't an option with more recent versions of windows. |
| 02:45.14 | dvs | Oh. ok |
| 02:45.20 | dad | greetings, all |
| 02:45.31 | kylixen | bob2: I'm pretty sure I can't netboot this thing |
| 02:45.33 | De_Mon | kylixen can you install an older version of windows? :P |
| 02:45.35 | dondelelcaro | kylixen: it's actually one of the more trivial methods if the bios on the device is crap; regardless, I've given you the options available to you. Choose one of them. |
| 02:45.48 | kylixen | De_Mon: Not without being about to boot a cdrom :P |
| 02:45.59 | dad | which cd image would be suitable for rescuing a system with a bad lilo config? |
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| 02:46.09 | De_Mon | kylixen I could have swore the win98 cd did the same sort of thing. |
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| 02:46.14 | dvs | dad: A Debian install CD? |
| 02:46.15 | dondelelcaro | dad: the same one you used to isntall initially. |
| 02:46.29 | Anji||Mariko | Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
| 02:46.33 | Anji||Mariko | E: Package rar has no installation candidate |
| 02:46.36 | De_Mon | kylixen or just copy it all to a fat32 drive and boot to a dos image |
| 02:46.37 | dondelelcaro | !info rar |
| 02:46.40 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 3.30-2 (sid), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 419 kB |
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| 02:46.48 | kylixen | dondelelcaro: I knew my options, I was wondering if anybody had any experience using the one I have to. |
| 02:46.50 | dondelelcaro | Anji||Mariko: see above; you don't have a non-free line in your sources.list |
| 02:46.57 | dad | don_inlab, the initial cd was debian woody, and the system has gone thru several majoe changes |
| 02:47.02 | kylixen | De_Mon: ? |
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| 02:47.09 | bob2 | kylixen: how did they put windows on it to begin with? |
| 02:47.23 | kylixen | bob2: It's probably a generic image at the gateway factory |
| 02:47.25 | dondelelcaro | bob2: they almost definetly put windows on the harddrive before installing it |
| 02:47.28 | De_Mon | you can tell windows to use a bootimage with cdrom support. |
| 02:47.29 | dad | oops that message was for dondelelcaro |
| 02:47.31 | kylixen | bob2: Probably smacked on before it's even put together. |
| 02:47.36 | bob2 | well, yeah |
| 02:47.37 | dondelelcaro | dad: you can use the woody installer, or any of the more recent versions of Debian. |
| 02:47.42 | bob2 | but presumably it's been reinstalled since then |
| 02:47.49 | De_Mon | IIRC partition magic does something like that. |
| 02:47.49 | kylixen | bob2: What makes you think that |
| 02:47.50 | kylixen | ? |
| 02:48.01 | Anji||Mariko | dondelelcaro, deb http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/debian-pure64/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 02:48.04 | dondelelcaro | kylixen: what laptop are we talking about here? |
| 02:48.21 | dondelelcaro | Anji||Mariko: the amd64 port doesn't build all of the non-free packages |
| 02:48.21 | bob2 | kylixen: because I've not met a single windows user who hasn't reinstalled their machine at least once |
| 02:48.24 | kylixen | Is that relevant? |
| 02:48.25 | dad | dondelelcaro, thanks. can i use the curent "minimal install cd? |
| 02:48.32 | kylixen | bob2: I just got this... |
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| 02:48.38 | kylixen | I'm not a windows user |
| 02:48.38 | dondelelcaro | dad: if it boots, sure. |
| 02:48.49 | kylixen | Thus my situation... |
| 02:48.53 | bob2 | kylixen: I know, but presumably there is a way for people using windows on it to reinstall |
| 02:49.00 | bob2 | kylixen: what sort of laptop is it? |
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| 02:49.28 | kylixen | bobo2: That's pressumptious. |
| 02:49.42 | bob2 | okiedokie |
| 02:49.44 | dondelelcaro | kylixen: please answer our questions; otherwise you're just wasting our time. |
| 02:50.17 | kylixen | dondelelcaro: I'm going to opt to not take your help. You are causing me more harm than good. Your methods are obtuse and needlessly strenuous. |
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| 02:50.27 | De_Mon | kylixen we want to try googling an answer too |
| 02:50.37 | bob2 | wtf |
| 02:50.50 | dad | dondelelcaro, thanks... |
| 02:51.02 | dondelelcaro | dad: all you need to be able to do is boot and mount the root device; almost any image should be able to do that. |
| 02:51.22 | woodland | hi |
| 02:51.23 | dondelelcaro | dad: np |
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| 02:51.57 | woodland | k |
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| 02:53.46 | deadcat | abrotman: i have skippy in my .xsession but when i start it gives : FATAL: WM not NETWM or GNOME WM Spec compliant. |
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| 02:54.06 | Vinland | I need my server to keep proper time. so to do this I just set my time and start the ntpd service? it uses server 0.pool.ntp.org. |
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| 02:54.25 | nightmaster | hey yall |
| 02:54.41 | ke6isf | Vinland: Yep. |
| 02:54.43 | abrotman | deadcat: really? |
| 02:54.46 | lilldude | cool how good is opera on debain |
| 02:54.47 | ke6isf | Hello again nightmaster |
| 02:54.52 | abrotman | deadcat: you need a new window manager? |
| 02:54.54 | lilldude | seems aok on my outer pc |
| 02:54.57 | nightmaster | can i install debian using vmware to my real HD |
| 02:55.09 | Anji||Mariko | ok, /usr/bin/local is most definately in my PATH, I can see rar and unrar sitting in the same directory (both by using ls and my graphical file manager), and both are set to executable permissions. However, when I type `rar` it says "/usr/local/bin/rar: No such file or directory" |
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| 02:55.15 | killfill | hello |
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| 02:55.27 | deadcat | abrotman: what the f. ob3 is not good enough for that? (= |
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| 02:55.41 | ke6isf | Anji||Mariko: Do you mean /usr/local/bin is in your path? |
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| 02:55.52 | dondelelcaro | nightmaster: if you can mount your real hardrive in vmware, yes. It may be non-trivial though. |
| 02:55.53 | Tuxguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.58 | abrotman | deadcat: no idea .. the only *box i used was the original and best :) |
| 02:56.04 | nightmaster | ok well i doing it right now |
| 02:56.15 | nightmaster | it seems to have worked ok |
| 02:56.22 | bob2 | Tuxguy: sure, limit the number of processes they can run |
| 02:56.24 | Anji||Mariko | ke6isf, yeah, sorry, I was typing a little quickly and didn't reread |
| 02:56.25 | dondelelcaro | Tuxguy: they can still excute them, but you should set up /etc/security/limits.conf so they don't take down the box |
| 02:56.26 | bob2 | Tuxguy: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 02:56.29 | SimonRaven | abrotman: doh! cron had crashed or stopped or something.... |
| 02:56.32 | ke6isf | Anji||Mariko: *noddle* |
| 02:56.42 | lilldude | auny one from mb can |
| 02:56.45 | abrotman | SimonRaven: for ravenbird ? |
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| 02:56.55 | deadcat | abrotman: haha |
| 02:57.04 | abrotman | deadcat: it's not funny@! |
| 02:57.10 | killfill | anyone has a wifi card and 5 min to test my proggy?... |
| 02:57.11 | ke6isf | Anji||Mariko: Did you by any chance add it after the fact and then not 'export PATH'? |
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| 02:57.14 | SimonRaven | abrotman: no, the daemon. oh, er, yeh it'd affect it |
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| 02:57.29 | shadow98 | anybody on that has setup ossim on debian? |
| 02:57.31 | abrotman | SimonRaven: that's not good |
| 02:57.38 | ke6isf | !polls |
| 02:57.38 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 02:57.43 | dondelelcaro | !tell shadow98 -about ask |
| 02:57.44 | Anji||Mariko | ke6isf, nope, haven't touched my PATH variable since installation |
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| 02:57.52 | ke6isf | Anji||Mariko: Ah, OK. |
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| 02:58.09 | TextBrowserLove | <3 yay, thanks everyone for helping me get my debian box going |
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| 02:58.43 | ke6isf | Anji||Mariko: It's kind of random, granted, but maybe if you put symlinks for [un]rar in /usr/bin or somesuch it might help. |
| 02:58.45 | PHP_ | BRAZIL! :D |
| 02:58.47 | shadow98 | i am having a problem when i got to the ossim main page http://10.30.10.4/ossim it is wanting me to setup phpgacl...i get this message You don't have permission to access /phpgacl/setup.php on this server. |
| 02:58.50 | lilldude | hey textbrowserlove is irc on it? that rocks |
| 02:58.58 | ke6isf | PHP_: You know, I haven't seen that movie yet. |
| 02:59.02 | TextBrowserLove | It's AYTTM ^_^ |
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| 02:59.18 | De_Mon | shadow98 ok... |
| 02:59.25 | nightmaster | are there any other debian channels |
| 02:59.26 | sussudio | !texugo DoppelGanger |
| 02:59.26 | dpkg | DoppelGanger: texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo cogumelo cogumelo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo serpeeente oooh serpeenteeeee! |
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| 02:59.48 | shadow98 | De_mon: any ideas? |
| 02:59.54 | nightmaster | wait debian has 2.4 kernel |
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| 02:59.58 | Anji||Mariko | ke6isf, well, I tried moving the scripts themselves into /usr/bin, and that gave me even stranger issues. I've even tried running them explicitly with no luck |
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| 03:00.04 | De_Mon | nightmaster no, this is the only one in english |
| 03:00.10 | lilldude | night 2.4 eeek |
| 03:00.12 | ke6isf | Anji||Mariko: =O.o= |
| 03:00.14 | punsad | is there any module I need to load to use the 'line in' jack on my soundblaster sound card? |
| 03:00.15 | bob2 | nightmaster: no, Debian has 2.4 and 2.6 kernels |
| 03:00.18 | ke6isf | Anji||Mariko: You're running sarge? |
| 03:00.23 | nightmaster | weird mine is install 2.4 |
| 03:00.27 | Anji||Mariko | ke6isf, yup |
| 03:00.32 | nightmaster | is there a spanish debian? |
| 03:00.38 | lilldude | hit f3 night |
| 03:00.40 | gravity | nightmaster: It will do that by default, but it's easily overridden and you can install 2.6 later without any trouble |
| 03:00.45 | dondelelcaro | nightmaster: #debian-es; |
| 03:00.46 | nightmaster | oh ook |
| 03:00.50 | nightmaster | cool |
| 03:00.52 | lilldude | and choose install 2.6 kernal |
| 03:00.56 | ke6isf | Anji||Mariko: And you installed from the site, or did 'apt-get [un]rar'? |
| 03:01.00 | tengulre | I m compling kernel 2.6 now... |
| 03:01.07 | punsad | anyone do much sound recording with linux? |
| 03:01.13 | nightmaster | why is debian nice? |
| 03:01.19 | dondelelcaro | punsad: some people do, but I suppose that's not your real question |
| 03:01.20 | nightmaster | is it better then ubuntu |
| 03:01.30 | TextBrowserLove | Anyone know why my debian messes up when I try to put it in a res higher than 800x600? it's almost like the 800x600 box stays... and my screen stretches... and theres a weird wrap zone... and it's hard to explain but it just doesn't work... |
| 03:01.32 | lilldude | yeah |
| 03:01.32 | Gnea | nightmaster: ubuntu is based on debian |
| 03:01.34 | Phoenix92x | hi, can anyone help me with an issue I'm having concerning the NVIDIA driver working with gnome? |
| 03:01.42 | Gnea | nightmaster: without debian there would be no ubuntu |
| 03:01.42 | nightmaster | yeah thasts why im cuirous is it better |
| 03:01.44 | gravity | nightmaster: Try them both and see for yourself |
| 03:01.48 | Anji||Mariko | ke6isf, [un]rar doesn't exist in my repository, so I installed from the site |
| 03:01.55 | Phoenix92x | I followed the directions on the site but now when I boot into gnome no icons are there and the mouse cant select anything |
| 03:01.55 | ke6isf | Anji||Mariko: Ah, OK. |
| 03:01.56 | nightmaster | i did had ubuntu and now im going with debian |
| 03:01.57 | rking | TextBrowserLove: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:02.04 | nightmaster | but what makes debian speica? |
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| 03:02.06 | nightmaster | special |
| 03:02.15 | shadow98 | nightmaster: ubuntu is not as customizable it loads everything by default.. |
| 03:02.15 | Gnea | it doesn't suck |
| 03:02.16 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:02.18 | dondelelcaro | TextBrowserLove: that almost sounds like you've got the wrong hres/vres set for your monitor |
| 03:02.21 | Anji||Mariko | ke6isf, then again, it was just recently I noticed that mozilla-firefox was finally in my repository, and I had been waiting for months for that to happen |
| 03:02.25 | punsad | dondlelcaro: yeah ... my original question went unanswered so I thuoght I'd frame it differently |
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| 03:02.41 | shadow98 | nightmaster: i like debian because i can install the base system easily and then decide what i want to put on... |
| 03:02.42 | nightmaster | but does it have nay nice utilty or something |
| 03:02.43 | TextBrowserLove | oh, T_T I wish I knew what my monitor ran on lol... I just took it out of a post someplace... |
| 03:02.45 | lilldude | had to pik auto pro simple install mouse and monitor for my gui |
| 03:02.51 | abrotman | wtf is T_T ? |
| 03:02.58 | dondelelcaro | punsad: sorry, didn't see your original question; yes, the alsa modules should enable the line in card on most of the soundblasters to work just fine |
| 03:03.01 | shadow98 | nightmaster: what do you mean nice utility |
| 03:03.04 | lilldude | oom helped me took awile but i got kde and gnome |
| 03:03.14 | rking | abrotman: a face like this: ^_^, i think |
| 03:03.18 | nightmaster | like i dont know like mandriva has utily for samba and stuff |
| 03:03.19 | dondelelcaro | punsad: or at least, they enable the ones that I have in my possession to work. |
| 03:03.20 | ke6isf | Anji||Mariko: 'apt-cache search unrar' turns up nothing? =O.o= |
| 03:03.20 | abrotman | that's dumb :) |
| 03:03.32 | abrotman | ke6isf: it's in nonfree |
| 03:03.33 | TextBrowserLove | lol yes T_T = tears and ^_^ = smiles |
| 03:03.33 | gravity | abrotman: Crying face |
| 03:03.35 | Phoenix92x | so can anyone help me with my NVIDIA/Gnome problem? |
| 03:03.35 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: he's using amd64, which doesn't have everything in non-free built |
| 03:03.48 | ke6isf | abrotman: Yeah, I see it. |
| 03:03.53 | lilldude | so thankfull i was here awhile learning that |
| 03:03.54 | shadow98 | nightmaster: ubuntu does not debian |
| 03:03.54 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: That's right, I remember. |
| 03:04.02 | lilldude | no i moved on to networking |
| 03:04.10 | rking | TextBrowserLove: you can play with xvidtune to find out your sync #'s. |
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| 03:04.13 | punsad | dondelelcaro: interesting... I'll check that out |
| 03:04.31 | lilldude | hey |
| 03:04.44 | TextBrowserLove | oh, thankyou rking. |
| 03:04.46 | Anji||Mariko | ke6isf, it didn't even come up with nothing, just went straight to a new line |
| 03:04.52 | dondelelcaro | punsad: you do have the levels on the sound input turned up and it selected, right? |
| 03:04.54 | nightmaster | is debian as bare as slackware |
| 03:04.57 | ke6isf | Anji||Mariko: That's normal, I think. |
| 03:05.01 | dondelelcaro | nightmaster: it can be if you want it to be |
| 03:05.02 | ke6isf | nightmaster: Um, no. |
| 03:05.06 | gravity | hahahahahahaha |
| 03:05.13 | nightmaster | as hard as slackware? |
| 03:05.17 | ke6isf | nightmaster: Um, no. |
| 03:05.24 | gravity | nightmaster: Different |
| 03:05.30 | nightmaster | different in what way? |
| 03:05.49 | ke6isf | nightmaster: Well, for one thing, you don't have to spend three weeks configuring every little gedankin thing. |
| 03:05.53 | punsad | dondelelcaro: I've got a very old system... it may be a 16bit card. THere's no knobs... just three jacks, mic, line in and headphone |
| 03:05.58 | Anji||Mariko | nightmaster, I've got both on this computer, and I much prefer Debian, and that's even with using the netinstall and having to configure X myself |
| 03:06.01 | shadow98 | nightmaster: i think you are really just going to have to try for yourself..i went through several different distro's before i found debian... |
| 03:06.01 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 03:06.04 | gravity | nightmaster: There's more an emphasis on doing certain things for you, but only by doing them technically well, so you are generally encouraged to learn how the system works |
| 03:06.11 | tengulre | how to complie a smallest kernel! |
| 03:06.12 | gravity | nightmaster: Although it's not as much a requirement as in slackwqare |
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| 03:06.20 | Anji||Mariko | nightmaster: slackware is just frustrating for me to maintain |
| 03:06.32 | nightmaster | yeah i know i ahve bene thru a lot of distros |
| 03:06.34 | dondelelcaro | punsad: right, but even without nobs, you'll have to determine (in software via alsa-mixer) which of the mic-in or line-in inputs will be recorded by default |
| 03:06.37 | Phoenix92x | okay, I did what it said on the txt on the NVIDIA website to get their driver running on my box running the 2.6.8 k7 kernel and now when I boot into gnome it will load into it but just enough so that I can see the desktop, the icons "computer" "home" "wastebasket" arent there and the mouse cant click on anything, can someone please help me? |
| 03:06.39 | ke6isf | Anji||Mariko: You know, I'm curious, what happens when you run the explicit path? Does it still fail to acknowledge existence? |
| 03:06.40 | punsad | dondelelcaro: till now, all I've done is plug in a line into the line in, and tried hitting "record" in audacity. it didn't work |
| 03:06.50 | gravity | nightmaster: I think you should definitely take shadow98's advice and try different distros. Really try them so you actually know the differences without having to ask us |
| 03:06.55 | nimak | if i want to upgrade my kernel, i have to download the kernel-image package, right? |
| 03:07.00 | gravity | nightmaster: Running them for a week does not qualify as "trying" |
| 03:07.02 | dondelelcaro | punsad: yeah, run alsamixer or aumix and make sure the input levels are up and you've selected line-in |
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| 03:07.07 | Anji||Mariko | ke6isf, no, it doesn't fail to acknowledge, it has another error, let me do it so I can show you |
| 03:07.17 | ke6isf | Anji||Mariko: Please. |
| 03:07.28 | punsad | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 03:07.31 | shadow98 | nightmaster: debian is easy to maintain...and easy to get software quickly...just use apt-get install softwarepackage name....most of the time it is just that easy |
| 03:07.42 | dondelelcaro | punsad: np |
| 03:07.46 | nightmaster | ok i have a little question about the isntall right now |
| 03:07.53 | ke6isf | nightmaster: Shoot. |
| 03:07.56 | Lewoco | I've inherited a box with all sorts of rubbish on it. How can I remove all the packages and install a 'default' set without manually (de)selecting every package? |
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| 03:08.15 | ke6isf | Lewoco: Erase the disk and start over. |
| 03:08.19 | nightmaster | it says that grub didnt detect windows and if i write to the mbr it will make my win unbootable |
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| 03:08.36 | Phoenix92x | so could anybody help me with the gnome/nvidia problem? |
| 03:08.39 | dondelelcaro | Lewoco: just use aptitude, and select everything as being automatically installed. [you could also just start over] |
| 03:09.04 | Anji||Mariko | ke6isf, 'k, tonight it is just ignoring it. The other day (when I actually installed it), it was yelling at me for another reason, and I'm trying to remember what I was doing differently |
| 03:09.07 | dondelelcaro | Lewoco: the "default" set is so minimal though, that you're probably going to want to modify the set of packages that are going to be removed. |
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| 03:09.16 | dondelelcaro | (default in this case meaning everything that is Essential: Yes) |
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| 03:09.45 | ke6isf | Anji||Mariko: I hate to say this, but I'm stumped. I gotta fold. Sorry. =( |
| 03:09.49 | TextBrowserLove | huh... I set my res to 1028x764 and ran xvidtune... and when I push buttons my screen moves a bit... but it doesn't seem to be doing much else... any place to read a tutorial on xvidtune? |
| 03:09.55 | nightmaster | can anone help me with that |
| 03:10.00 | bob2 | that's about all xvidtune does |
| 03:10.01 | Lewoco | dondelelcaro, Well nothing is *essential*. I just want a basic server setup. |
| 03:10.23 | Phoenix92x | am I on ignore or something? |
| 03:10.28 | TextBrowserLove | But it doesn't make since... like I push a button and it moves twice... then stops moving and then moves back to where it was even though I'm still pushing the same button. |
| 03:10.45 | dondelelcaro | Lewoco: you misunderstand me... Essential: Yes; is set for specific packages; removing them will leave you with a broken system |
| 03:10.49 | ke6isf | Phoenix92x: No, but you didn't state your actual problem, did you? |
| 03:10.59 | nimak | he did, scroll up |
| 03:11.02 | nightmaster | should i jsut write grub to my mbr even tho it didnt detect windows? |
| 03:11.03 | Phoenix92x | ke6isf: I thought I did |
| 03:11.07 | Anji||Mariko | ke6isf, no problem; thanks for trying. Odd thing is, it even auto-completes for me when I press tab, so it definately knows it exists |
| 03:11.14 | gravity | Phoenix92x: Issues with the binary nvidia driver are better suited to #nvidia really |
| 03:11.24 | Phoenix92x | oh? I didnt know there was a channel for that |
| 03:11.27 | gravity | Yes |
| 03:11.27 | ke6isf | my bad. |
| 03:11.30 | nimak | haha, nor did i |
| 03:11.30 | Phoenix92x | on this server? |
| 03:11.41 | nightmaster | can someone help me plz |
| 03:11.50 | Phoenix92x | thanks grav/ke6 |
| 03:11.54 | Smoked1 | I dont think #nvidis will know much about linux drivers though |
| 03:12.04 | nightmaster | plz someone? |
| 03:12.14 | gravity | Smoked1: They should |
| 03:12.15 | woodland | how do i update my video driver |
| 03:12.18 | ke6isf | nightmaster: Hang on, quit begging, we'll come up with an answer. |
| 03:12.18 | dondelelcaro | nightmaster: you can, but if you do that, you won't be able to boot to windows until you fix your menu.lst |
| 03:12.22 | gravity | woodland: uh...? Why do you need to? |
| 03:12.29 | nightmaster | so what should i do |
| 03:12.37 | dondelelcaro | nightmaster: assuming you know what partition windows is on, the change won't be that difficult. |
| 03:12.47 | woodland | gravity, because when i turn off, the screen flickers |
| 03:12.49 | nightmaster | were and when would i edit my grub tho |
| 03:12.56 | TextBrowserLove | HAHA this is so cool I move my mouse to the edge of the screen and it just... scrolls... like in a computer game. That's so weird. I wish my actuall screen was all there... but uhh... yah~ |
| 03:13.09 | gravity | woodland: What's your card and what version of Debian are you running? |
| 03:13.23 | nightmaster | TextBrowserAddic hwo did u do that |
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| 03:13.34 | TextBrowserLove | I... |
| 03:13.36 | TextBrowserLove | don't really... |
| 03:13.38 | TextBrowserLove | know... ^_^ |
| 03:13.44 | nightmaster | is it cool tho |
| 03:13.46 | ke6isf | !enter TextBrowserLove |
| 03:13.48 | Phoenix92x | allright, ke6isf would you mind helping me with the issue until someone on #nvidia responds? |
| 03:13.52 | woodland | gravity, i am using current version of debian and i have nvidia |
| 03:13.58 | dondelelcaro | nightmaster: if you set a larger virtual resolution than your real resolution, that will happen. |
| 03:14.00 | Phoenix92x | because Im not even sure where to begin |
| 03:14.09 | dondelelcaro | (it's actually relatively useful in some cases) |
| 03:14.10 | nightmaster | cool. il try that |
| 03:14.10 | gravity | woodland: Are you using the proprietary nvidia drivers? |
| 03:14.15 | ke6isf | Phoenix92x: Love to, except I don't know a thing about nvidia. You might /msg dpkg nvidia for starters. |
| 03:14.21 | nightmaster | so what should i do about grub? |
| 03:14.31 | woodland | i dont know, gravity, how do i check it |
| 03:14.33 | Phoenix92x | ke6isf, Id love to, um, what exactly does that do? |
| 03:14.43 | gravity | woodland: Ok... that's a no |
| 03:14.44 | TextBrowserLove | lol~ It's not really. I wish my computer was actually in 1024x768... its like... its a screen size of 1024zx768 with a viewing area of 800x600... so you just... scroll... to see the rest... and its annoying. |
| 03:14.49 | dondelelcaro | nightmaster: that's up to you. Install it to the mbr if you can live without windows until you fix the menu.lst; if you can't, wait until you can. |
| 03:14.58 | polluxx | can someone help me installing a m-audio sound card on debian? |
| 03:15.00 | ke6isf | Phoenix92x: dpkg (the user here) is a bot, so you'll get a canned response with information that you'll probably find useful. |
| 03:15.00 | gravity | woodland: You may want to try the Xorg backports for sarge |
| 03:15.05 | gravity | !tell woodland about xorg sarge |
| 03:15.09 | nightmaster | ok |
| 03:15.12 | Phoenix92x | ke6isf: ahh thanks |
| 03:15.37 | ke6isf | Phoenix92x: A word of warning, if you play with it, do so in privmsg; doing so on the channel profusely is frowned upon muchly. |
| 03:15.46 | lilldude | pollux install it does it play cd |
| 03:15.47 | suzzi_ | this might be a long shot but any one using OSX here and knows if theres some qtparted like app for osx? |
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| 03:15.55 | lilldude | pollux mine auto installed |
| 03:16.00 | polluxx | hm? |
| 03:16.06 | dondelelcaro | suzzi_: try #macosx |
| 03:16.24 | lilldude | poluxx once its in case and wired to cd drive |
| 03:16.29 | cafuego | suzzi_: There is iPartition (not free) |
| 03:16.34 | lilldude | poluxx it should play cd |
| 03:16.37 | cafuego | suzzi_: I'm not aware of any others. |
| 03:16.38 | suzzi_ | dondelelcaro: ahh thats the chan.. thanks |
| 03:16.39 | polluxx | i couldnt hear any soun d so im installing the alsa drivers |
| 03:16.48 | suzzi_ | cafuego: it's worth a try |
| 03:17.03 | polluxx | no, no.... i konw how to deal with cd-drives |
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| 03:17.20 | nightmaster | i think i will like debian |
| 03:17.20 | polluxx | the sound card has to work. right now, theres NO sound |
| 03:17.22 | astronut | if you get the numpad in the "control mouse" mode, how do you get it out? |
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| 03:17.26 | lilldude | poluxx install wire from drive to sound card? |
| 03:17.37 | stouset | Is there any way to dtell bash to do two things simultaneously, but only two? |
| 03:17.38 | polluxx | no. i got to get the sound card working |
| 03:17.39 | woodland | so what is xorg, |
| 03:17.40 | polluxx | ;) |
| 03:17.40 | Pumpkin_ | how little are you dude? |
| 03:17.44 | drp | is there somethign I need to configure to allow my dhcp server to pull the hostname for my computer because currently it shows that an ip has been leased to my debian machine but it doesn't display the hostname |
| 03:17.53 | lilldude | small enough |
| 03:18.01 | lilldude | pollux no wire no sound |
| 03:18.03 | nightmaster | how long does the boooting take |
| 03:18.03 | stouset | i.e., I'm trying to download parts of a site in parallell. Each download is limited in speed, but you can download two at once. |
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| 03:18.21 | polluxx | hey! thats not the problem |
| 03:18.33 | polluxx | the problem is that the cards not working |
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| 03:18.50 | dondelelcaro | stouset: why not just use two different wget --quiet? |
| 03:19.15 | lilldude | poluxx get one like cemedia that auto detect |
| 03:19.18 | woodland | hi |
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| 03:19.39 | Soman | Is anyone here familiar with Celeron boards with onboard LAN adapters? |
| 03:19.50 | polluxx | hey, i wont buy anotehr sound card |
| 03:19.55 | dondelelcaro | Soman: just ask your question |
| 03:19.56 | De_Mon | Soman ask a real question |
| 03:19.59 | tengulre | hi, how to install libtiff library? |
| 03:20.09 | lilldude | poluxx how old |
| 03:20.19 | lilldude | poluxx wire on card maybe in wrong spot |
| 03:20.38 | bob2 | tengulre: apt-cache search libtiff |
| 03:20.40 | Seb | i'd like to play simple melodies using only the terminal bell, anyone knows of something that does that ? |
| 03:20.52 | lilldude | poluxx sorce force have your drivers? |
| 03:20.54 | ke6isf | !tell soman -about polls |
| 03:21.01 | Seb | s/melodies/"beats"/ maybe :) |
| 03:21.36 | nightmaster | DOES debian not have startx? |
| 03:21.42 | lilldude | id like to turn my system bep into a bell |
| 03:21.43 | dondelelcaro | nightmaster: it does, it's in xbase-clients |
| 03:21.47 | lilldude | night yes |
| 03:21.53 | nightmaster | oh i need to apt-get that? |
| 03:22.01 | TextBrowserLove | debian has startx~ ^_^ I had to use it like 85 times before I got it working too~ |
| 03:22.01 | lilldude | nope |
| 03:22.05 | Seb | nightmaster: get x-window-system |
| 03:22.12 | Soman | How can i get the lan adapter installed i went to intel's site and got 2 drivers one a .sh script and the other is the src.. when i try to make it says it can't find the kernel source, and the other doesn't seem to do anything really |
| 03:22.12 | tengulre | bob2,thanks |
| 03:22.24 | dondelelcaro | Soman: which adapter is it? |
| 03:22.48 | nightmaster | is that the apt-get install x-window-system |
| 03:22.57 | lilldude | poluxx any like? |
| 03:23.03 | woodland | now, i have KDE, can i remove wmaker then |
| 03:23.06 | Soman | from what intel has told me it's the e100 there are a couple similiar ones in /lib/modules/ but they are not the ones i need :\ |
| 03:23.07 | Seb | nightmaster: yeah |
| 03:23.16 | nightmaster | it says there is no package for it |
| 03:23.28 | TextBrowserLove | Anyone have any ideas why I can't enter 1028x764? |
| 03:23.45 | TextBrowserLove | I mean... I can... it just messes up ~ Like... really... messes up~ |
| 03:23.45 | ke6isf | TextBrowserAddic: You mean 1024x768? |
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| 03:23.56 | TextBrowserLove | yes... I'm dislexic ^)^ |
| 03:23.57 | polluxx | lilldude either you wanna help me or not |
| 03:24.02 | bob2 | nightmaster: x-windows-system |
| 03:24.12 | woodland | x-window-system |
| 03:24.17 | polluxx | if you wanna help me, please dont ever writen that word WIRE again, ok? |
| 03:24.21 | astronut | if you get the numpad in the "control mouse" mode, how do you get it out? |
| 03:24.26 | ke6isf | !tell TextBrowserLove -about drxx |
| 03:24.27 | nightmaster | no packge |
| 03:24.30 | lilldude | text browser |
| 03:24.38 | woodland | now, i have KDE, can i remove wmaker then |
| 03:24.46 | TextBrowserLove | Nono... It's not that. I've done that like... 5 times now lol ^_^ |
| 03:24.54 | lilldude | do simple and auto probbe mouse and keybord that was mmy problem |
| 03:25.14 | lilldude | once you get it text broser do x86 configure |
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| 03:25.44 | TextBrowserLove | there is no simple~ just medium and advanced |
| 03:25.46 | MasterChief | Hi everyone! I have a question. I want to set up pureftpd with mysql so I did apt-get install proftpd-mysql. This did install proftpd right but I have a question, in which file can I find the part that gets the info from the database, I want to know if I have to add it. |
| 03:25.59 | lilldude | text mine had simple |
| 03:26.15 | lilldude | text mouse made my gui not install |
| 03:26.34 | lilldude | text i auto probed and i got kde and gnome |
| 03:26.52 | TextBrowserLove | Yah... my mouse gave me that problem too~ I'm using gnome right now |
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| 03:27.14 | lilldude | textbrowser use gnome for know |
| 03:27.23 | TextBrowserLove | I'm in gnome right now ^_^ |
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| 03:27.29 | lilldude | libale helped me |
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| 03:27.33 | TextBrowserLove | I just... can't get my res out of 800x600~ it's driving me insane |
| 03:27.44 | lilldude | cant rember waht we did i had same problem |
| 03:27.47 | rking | TextBrowserAddic: xorg or xfree? |
| 03:27.49 | nightmaster | i think i twants me to add more soures |
| 03:28.02 | ke6isf | TextBrowserAddic: You're in 800x600 with a desktop stuck in 1024x768? |
| 03:28.06 | lilldude | text what seize monitor |
| 03:28.13 | ke6isf | Jeez, autocomplete hoses that. |
| 03:28.22 | TextBrowserLove | 15in XGA TFT |
| 03:28.38 | TextBrowserLove | and no, I was in 1024x768 and stuck in 800x600 |
| 03:28.40 | TextBrowserLove | ^_^ |
| 03:28.44 | Soman | Is it neccesary to rebuild the kernel if adding drivers not in /lib/modules? |
| 03:28.45 | lilldude | that what text need a 17 inch for 768x 1028 |
| 03:29.16 | lilldude | < hands text 21 in crt if you can cary it you can have it |
| 03:29.30 | TextBrowserLove | I'm on a laptop ~ ^_^ |
| 03:29.50 | TextBrowserLove | It runs 1024x768 fine in windows... |
| 03:29.55 | lilldude | text there is linux la[p top sight |
| 03:30.07 | ke6isf | !tell TextBrowserLove -about laptop |
| 03:30.11 | lilldude | text i not kow lappy |
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| 03:30.19 | TextBrowserLove | oh ^_^ |
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| 03:31.15 | jeff_ | how scan my hard disk for errors |
| 03:31.25 | MasterChief | Can someone please help me? |
| 03:31.35 | ke6isf | TextBrowserLove: When you ran drxx, did you tell it that it was an LCD device? |
| 03:31.38 | lilldude | jeff xrax |
| 03:31.43 | ke6isf | MasterChief: Yeah, we can, but you gotta ask a question. |
| 03:31.55 | MasterChief | Scroll up |
| 03:32.00 | dondelelcaro | MasterChief: you might try #proftpd if no one here knows |
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| 03:32.09 | MasterChief | Hi everyone! I have a question. I want to set up pureftpd with mysql so I did apt-get install proftpd-mysql. This did install proftpd right but I have a question, in which file can I find the part that gets the info from the database, I want to know if I have to add it. |
| 03:32.20 | MasterChief | That is what I said before |
| 03:32.23 | ke6isf | MasterChief: Sorry, my bad. |
| 03:32.32 | MasterChief | I already checked #proftpd, no help there. |
| 03:32.40 | jeff_ | lilldude where can i find xrax |
| 03:33.00 | ke6isf | jeff_: Try fsck. |
| 03:33.07 | dondelelcaro | MasterChief: I'd check /usr/share/doc/proftpd-mysql/*; there should be some documentation there on setting it up |
| 03:33.23 | MasterChief | Thanks! Ill do that right now! |
| 03:33.28 | jeff_ | how can i run fsck witout my filesystem being mounted |
| 03:33.40 | ke6isf | jeff_: Um, never do that outside of maintenance mode. |
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| 03:33.47 | dondelelcaro | jeff_: fsck /dev/filesystem |
| 03:34.03 | ke6isf | Wait, misread that. |
| 03:34.18 | LinuxNIT-laptop | what display does the xserver run on? |
| 03:34.22 | dondelelcaro | if it's mounted, remount it ro and run fsck, if you change the filesystem, you may need to unmount it and mount it again. |
| 03:34.37 | dondelelcaro | LinuxNIT-laptop: depends on where you tell it to run |
| 03:34.44 | jeff_ | how do i boot into mantience mode |
| 03:34.46 | LinuxNIT-laptop | how do i find out wht display the xserver is running on |
| 03:35.23 | ke6isf | jeff_: 'init 1' |
| 03:35.40 | ke6isf | jeff_: YOu don't need to reboot to do that, just go root. |
| 03:35.45 | jeff_ | ooh |
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| 03:35.57 | ke6isf | jeff_: When you're done, do 'init 2' and you'll be live again. |
| 03:37.29 | jeff_ | i cant download files while im in init 1 can i |
| 03:37.44 | Soman | dondelelcaro - any idea on the network adapter? |
| 03:37.48 | nightmaster | how do i config grub for windows |
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| 03:38.17 | dondelelcaro | Soman: if it's an e100; the eepro or e100 drivers that are included in the kernel should work fine |
| 03:38.42 | ke6isf | jeff_: Nope. You'll pretty much be off the 'net in the meantime. It's a bad idea to try anyway, if you're partitions are in need of a fsck. |
| 03:39.10 | jeff_ | when i boot my comptuer i get a hard disk error and it tells me to backup and replace |
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| 03:39.17 | Soman | there are only and eepro100 eexpress and another none of them work... |
| 03:39.22 | jeff_ | but it seems to be functioning alright |
| 03:39.38 | dondelelcaro | Soman: which model nic is it? |
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| 03:40.25 | dondelelcaro | Soman: if you're unsure, give me the output of lspci -v; [use the paster bot to do so] |
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| 03:40.34 | Soman | when i looked the board up and i saw the 2 drivers they were called e100 |
| 03:40.41 | tobiax | *wave* |
| 03:40.50 | Soman | i'm at a friedns house i can't get on to the net with myu box :\ |
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| 03:41.12 | epsilon | I unpacked a binary deb with "ar x" and replaced one file. How can I pack it again and create deb? |
| 03:41.20 | nightmaster | can anyone hlep me? |
| 03:41.35 | tobiax | Hey, any debian devs in here per chance? Just a quick question.. |
| 03:41.36 | epsilon | ar manual is uncear about create option |
| 03:41.39 | dondelelcaro | Soman: well, the e100 driver is in the 2.6 kernel |
| 03:41.41 | dondelelcaro | tobiax: just ask your question |
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| 03:41.57 | dondelelcaro | Soman: so if you're using 2.6, you should be able to use modconf or similar to load it |
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| 03:42.10 | tobiax | dondelelcaro, It'll sound like random bitching to anyone except the devs, is why i asked. |
| 03:42.23 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: don't use ar and tar to do that, use dpkg-deb -x and dpkg-deb -b |
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| 03:43.00 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: while the .deb format looks like a ar archive with two tarballs, there are some subtle differences that need to be obeyed when they are packed. |
| 03:43.14 | bob2 | epsilon: ar won't assemble valid .deb files anymore |
| 03:43.42 | dondelelcaro | tobiax: well, there are developers here, just ask your question. |
| 03:44.24 | Phoenix92x | ke6isf: the nvidia channel wasnt particularly helpful, any other ideas? |
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| 03:44.44 | tobiax | I was just wondering how it is I was even able to have a netinstall of debian fail 3 times in a row simply because I accidentally picked dead mirrors. |
| 03:45.06 | bob2 | what would you expect to have happen? |
| 03:45.14 | tobiax | bob2, time-outs |
| 03:45.16 | dondelelcaro | tobiax: the list of mirrors in the installer has remained frozen since it was released; there's not much that can be done about dead mirrors. |
| 03:45.35 | meri | listen naglfar - a swarm of plagues - please use headfones ! |
| 03:45.36 | bob2 | tobiax: it does timeout eventyually, and offers to let you pick another one |
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| 03:46.13 | ke6isf | Phoenix92x: Talk to dpkg. Like I said, I know nothing of nvidia. |
| 03:46.14 | tobiax | bob2, Wouldn't you say 40 minutes was enough time for it to discover a 404? |
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| 03:46.22 | Sindrome | alguien que hable español??? |
| 03:46.26 | ke6isf | !es |
| 03:46.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:46.41 | Sindrome | jijiijjiji |
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| 03:46.53 | epsilon | dondelelcaro: "dpkg-deb -b" wants <package>/Debian/rules, doesn't it work with binary package? |
| 03:47.01 | dondelelcaro | tobiax: a 404 will get it to stop right away. In your case, you're dealing with a dead mirror which will take a much longer time. |
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| 03:47.09 | imka | hi. i'm using sarge and kde... root can't connect to x server everytime i try to start a gui app. can someone help me? |
| 03:47.15 | bob2 | tobiax: was it a 404? or was it an unrechable destination? |
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| 03:47.26 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: yes it does; assuming you've unpacked both the control and the data part of the .deb; it will repack it. |
| 03:47.27 | bob2 | imka: don't do that then |
| 03:47.27 | imka | i've found some workarounds with google but nothing seems to help |
| 03:47.32 | bob2 | imka: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
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| 03:48.25 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: man dpkg-deb; and read about the --build option for details of the DEBIAN subdirectory. |
| 03:48.31 | imka | bob2 yea but what if i want to? :) like kdes root konqueror is comfortable sometimes |
| 03:48.33 | Pumpkin_ | a /26 is 8 addresses |
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| 03:49.06 | bob2 | imka: read what the bot says |
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| 03:49.09 | stefanin | SignOff |
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| 03:49.22 | dondelelcaro | stefanin: you want /quit |
| 03:49.28 | stefanin | exit |
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| 03:49.49 | bob2 | Pumpkin_: isn't it 2 ^ (32 - 26) - 2? |
| 03:49.53 | stefanin | Thanks <stefanin> |
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| 03:51.02 | dondelelcaro | yeah, it should be 64 iirc; two of which no one ever uses |
| 03:51.11 | somePriest | Is there not a program that searches for the fastest apt mirror(s) to use? I think I recall one. |
| 03:51.11 | Phoenix92x | whats the newest stock kernel I could try to boot from? |
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| 03:51.19 | bob2 | somePriest: apt-spy |
| 03:51.36 | dondelelcaro | Phoenix92x: sid has 2.6.12; stable uses 2.6.8 with some fixes |
| 03:51.43 | somePriest | bob2 : Oh wonderful, I wasn't delusional. Thank you, I'll give it a try. |
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| 03:52.20 | woodland | hi |
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| 03:52.30 | Pumpkin_ | wha ? |
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| 03:53.16 | woodland | the command 'poweroff' doesnt work on my machine, it only works when i logged in as root in terminal |
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| 03:53.35 | dondelelcaro | woodland: yes, that's normal. |
| 03:53.40 | woodland | ok |
| 03:53.49 | rreck | can someone suggest how i might reconfigure X to use my new flatpanel correctly ? |
| 03:54.09 | woodland | dpkg-reconfigure x-server-xfree86 |
| 03:54.12 | dondelelcaro | woodland: you generally only want root to be able to turn off a machine; if not, you can install sudo and allow specific users to call 'sudo poweroff' |
| 03:54.15 | Phoenix92x | dondelelcaro: what is sid? |
| 03:54.25 | woodland | rreck |
| 03:54.26 | rreck | woodland: that didnt seem to take effect |
| 03:54.30 | woodland | use that command |
| 03:54.31 | dondelelcaro | Phoenix92x: it's the development version of Debian. |
| 03:54.31 | ke6isf | woodland: You might try 'xserver-xfree86' instead. |
| 03:54.33 | dondelelcaro | !tell Phoenix92x -about sid |
| 03:54.39 | woodland | log in as root |
| 03:54.41 | ke6isf | !tell rreck -about drxx |
| 03:54.52 | rreck | yes did |
| 03:55.13 | woodland | i think it xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:55.46 | woodland | rreck |
| 03:55.52 | woodland | does it work |
| 03:55.58 | ke6isf | !tell woodland -about enter |
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| 03:56.34 | deadcat | whats the factoid to reinstall grub using chroot? |
| 03:57.03 | xim | !tell me about !tell |
| 03:57.04 | rreck | i went through the configuration as root but nothing changed |
| 03:57.07 | xim | lol |
| 03:57.20 | rreck | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.23 | woodland | rreck, did that command work |
| 03:57.27 | mxparker | how to prevent kdm from starting up (and hanging)? |
| 03:57.47 | rreck | mxparker:change /etc/inittab to default to run state 3 |
| 03:58.14 | rreck | woodland: yes i tried it already before coming here |
| 03:58.38 | bob2 | wtf |
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| 03:58.41 | bob2 | this is not redhat |
| 03:58.49 | mxparker | OK, but kdm is kicking off on boot. How to stop this, so I can edit the above? |
| 03:58.53 | bob2 | mxparker: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S*kdm |
| 03:59.04 | bob2 | mxparker: do not touch inittab |
| 03:59.10 | bob2 | mxparker: ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work? |
| 03:59.20 | Phoenix92x | if anyone's interested I solved the problem |
| 03:59.24 | mxparker | nix |
| 03:59.25 | Phoenix92x | or at least determined its root |
| 03:59.26 | Guerin | rreck: please report to #123 for reeducation |
| 03:59.45 | mxparker | nor Ctrl-Alt-Del |
| 03:59.53 | ke6isf | rreck: Why runstate 3? |
| 03:59.57 | mxparker | nor Ctrl-Alt-BCK |
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| 04:00.00 | Phoenix92x | so if anyone wants to know why the nvidia driver with gnome was being idiotic and not showing my icons please ask |
| 04:00.03 | Phoenix92x | the story is a long and troubling one |
| 04:00.04 | bob2 | mxparker: then boot it with "Linux 1" |
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| 04:00.17 | deadcat | if my hdd1 is debian (just chroot into to fix grub), i want to install grub to hda1, what do i do? mount hda1 then grub-install or just grub-install? |
| 04:00.19 | bob2 | Phoenix92x: say it or not, no one cares enough to ask |
| 04:00.32 | mxparker | "Linux 1?" |
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| 04:00.37 | bob2 | deadcat: just chrooting to the disk and running it should be enough |
| 04:00.38 | Phoenix92x | bob2: fair, lol |
| 04:00.38 | Guerin | deadcat: doesn't need to be mounted for grub-install to work |
| 04:00.44 | Phoenix92x | with the 2.6.8 kernel it would fuck up |
| 04:00.46 | bob2 | mxparker: ... pass that to your bootloader |
| 04:00.47 | Phoenix92x | with 2.4.27 it wont |
| 04:00.59 | bob2 | why did RH ever run it out of inittab, anyway? |
| 04:01.01 | Phoenix92x | therefore, through the glory of the post hoc fallacy ,I determine the problem to be 2.6.8 |
| 04:01.01 | deadcat | bob2: grub-install /dev/hda1? or hda? |
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| 04:01.22 | ke6isf | bob2: Easier to deal with, I suppose. |
| 04:01.40 | bob2 | deadcat: I forget, sorry |
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| 04:02.07 | stouset | What's the easiset way to iterate over ALL of the arguments given a bash shell? i.e., I have a variable number of args. They're all of the form $1 $2 $3, so I can't access via an array, and I can't use Perl-like variable substitution to refer to $$num. |
| 04:02.18 | ke6isf | bob2: 2 was no-X/no-net multiuser, 3 was no-X multiuser, and 5 was multiuser with X. Don' tknow what 4 was. |
| 04:02.21 | bob2 | the easiest way is to use python or perl :) |
| 04:02.33 | stouset | bob2: Yeah. I was hoping to avoid that. |
| 04:02.33 | bob2 | ke6isf: yeah, I know, but why not run it out of /etc/rc5.d/ then? |
| 04:02.39 | udo | good night, it's always nice to be around |
| 04:03.02 | ke6isf | bob2: They do, I think. But then, they're insane anyway. |
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| 04:03.14 | Soman | How can you solve a code 65 with make? |
| 04:03.40 | bob2 | code 65 is not a useful error message |
| 04:03.45 | ke6isf | bob2: Mind you, this comes from my days with Mandreck. AMMV for RH proper. |
| 04:03.46 | bob2 | paste the last 20 line of output to #flood |
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| 04:03.54 | epsilon | downloaded source of a package, built with dpkg-buildpackage. But created binary deb has errors (missing/wrong file) and won't install. is that normal? |
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| 04:04.11 | dondelelcaro | stouset: for a in $@; .... |
| 04:04.21 | crn | i cannot get a remote xterm when i ssh -X. X11Forward is set to yes. has anyone any ideas? |
| 04:04.22 | bob2 | epsilon: didn't you manually take it apart somewhere in there? |
| 04:04.23 | epsilon | I have to replace some files in binary deb manualy to make it installable |
| 04:04.27 | Soman | 65 says can't find kernel source i'm not sure if it verbatum |
| 04:04.36 | nimak | will downgrading from 2.6 to 2.4 kernel break anything? |
| 04:04.36 | bob2 | Soman: we need the whole error |
| 04:04.39 | b0xy | how to login as root temporarily in console? |
| 04:04.41 | b0xy | sudo what? |
| 04:04.46 | bob2 | b0xy: -s |
| 04:05.01 | bob2 | Soman: try 'sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)' |
| 04:05.04 | Soman | bob2 that is about it it's when i try to make e100.c for a network adapter |
| 04:05.05 | b0xy | says command not found |
| 04:05.17 | Soman | i casn't get my lan adapter installed |
| 04:05.23 | deadcat | i am trying to fix my friend's grub. heres the setting. hda1 (windows), hdb1(data), hdd1(debian), we just boot in with live cd, mount /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1; chroot /mnt/hdd1 /bin/bash; how do we fix mbr? |
| 04:05.39 | Guerin | crn: xbase-clients installed on both machines? |
| 04:05.57 | bob2 | Soman: e100 is already part of debian kernels |
| 04:06.16 | crn | Guerin, is that a package? |
| 04:06.26 | sbk | deadcat: grub-install /dev/hda should (everything going well) put grub on the mbr |
| 04:06.26 | Phoenix92x | does anyone know how to make nautilus (I think thats the window browsing system in gnome) not open every new place Im looking in a new window? |
| 04:06.32 | Guerin | deadcat: grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub |
| 04:06.41 | Soman | i don't have an actual module in my distro called e100 i have an eepro100 |
| 04:06.42 | Phoenix92x | I want it to be where I can just keep clicking further in and then go back |
| 04:06.43 | Guerin | crn: 1 |
| 04:06.51 | bob2 | Soman: what kernel are you using? |
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| 04:07.10 | crn | Guerin, i'll check |
| 04:07.16 | deadcat | sbk: Guerin: ok. let me try that again. |
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| 04:07.30 | Soman | i tried bf-2.4 and 2.2 |
| 04:07.32 | Guerin | Phoenix92x: there is a way, but it's cleverly hidden by the GnomeTards to make life a misery for everyone who doesn't do things exactly like them |
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| 04:07.46 | Guerin | Phoenix92x: try asking #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 04:08.05 | Phoenix92x | Guerin: ahhh...thanky, perhaps I shall try KDE soon |
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| 04:08.18 | Guerin | Phoenix92x: kde's not much better, but at least it's customisable |
| 04:08.38 | Phoenix92x | how do I change which one is my default window manager? |
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| 04:09.41 | deadcat | Phoenix92x: using gdm? or .xsession |
| 04:09.43 | dondelelcaro | Phoenix92x: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 04:11.28 | crn | Guerin, xbase-clients is installed. xhosts returns: unable to open display "" when run as root |
| 04:11.58 | Agrajag- | is it possible to have 2 dhcp assigned addresses to the same nic? in my /etc/network/interfaces i have added a eth0:1, but when it tries to do dhcp for it, i just get no such device |
| 04:12.10 | Soman | bob2 the intel site gave had 2 drivers one was a .sh and the other was src i can't compile the src due to the "kernel src cannot be found" error and the only thing i could notice the .sh do was add an alias in /etc/modules.conf |
| 04:13.08 | bob2 | Soman: ignore the intel site |
| 04:13.08 | Phoenix92x | deadcat: gdm |
| 04:13.16 | bob2 | Soman: bf2.4 and 2.2 are obsolete |
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| 04:13.36 | bob2 | and have critical security holes, too |
| 04:13.42 | Soman | What can i do to get it online to update this ? |
| 04:13.53 | bob2 | what are you doing? installing? |
| 04:13.57 | Soman | yea |
| 04:14.05 | trym | Why is there no kernel source in apt for version 2.6.11 ? |
| 04:14.09 | bob2 | don't install woody |
| 04:14.12 | bob2 | trym: there is |
| 04:14.12 | Soman | i'm at a friend house now cause i can't get online |
| 04:14.35 | trym | bob: cant find it.. any ideas why not ? I just did an apt-get update |
| 04:14.53 | bob2 | there won't be in sid, since it's an obsolete kernel |
| 04:15.01 | bob2 | or maybe because it's linux-source now |
| 04:15.22 | trym | maybe my sources is wrong? |
| 04:15.24 | Soman | i have the driver for it though can't i figure out the compilation error and install it then start updating? |
| 04:15.39 | trym | im getting testing packages.. |
| 04:15.40 | bob2 | dude |
| 04:15.42 | bob2 | just install sarge |
| 04:15.45 | bob2 | woody is from 2002 |
| 04:15.50 | Phoenix92x | deadcat: Im running gdm, how do I switch it to try kdm? |
| 04:15.53 | bob2 | trym: then perhaps it's not in testing |
| 04:15.57 | bob2 | trym: packages.debian.org |
| 04:16.10 | trym | bob2: well the image is in testing.. but ok.. ill look at packages.* |
| 04:16.31 | Soman | if i download it on my friends comp it will take days/weeks and my tower is out of commission until i can get it online :\ |
| 04:16.37 | bob2 | wtf |
| 04:16.42 | bob2 | a sarge netinst is 50MB\ |
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| 04:16.57 | bob2 | even on dialup that only takes ~2 hours |
| 04:17.05 | Soman | ok maybe not days and weeks but a day for sure (friend iis on dial up) |
| 04:17.18 | bob2 | also, if you can't show us the error, there's little anyoen can do to guess what it might be |
| 04:17.26 | bob2 | and "make error 65" is not useful |
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| 04:18.19 | deadcat | Phoenix92x: apt-get install kdm |
| 04:18.27 | Soman | the error says that it cannot find the kernel source there really isn't much more then that |
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| 04:21.53 | Phoenix92x | deadcat: and that will set it as default? |
| 04:22.06 | deadcat | Phoenix92x: it will ask you |
| 04:22.26 | Phoenix92x | it didnt |
| 04:22.27 | deadcat | Phoenix92x: we talking about KDM, not KDE right? |
| 04:22.36 | Phoenix92x | deadcat: um....oops.. |
| 04:22.47 | Phoenix92x | deadcat: sorry, no, I want to run KDE |
| 04:22.53 | deadcat | Phoenix92x: if its kde, you can just select from session |
| 04:22.59 | deadcat | in the gdm login screen |
| 04:23.12 | Phoenix92x | how do I make kde the default though? |
| 04:23.32 | deadcat | 21:09 < dondelelcaro> Phoenix92x: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 04:24.08 | Phoenix92x | ahh...I typoed that |
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| 04:24.21 | deadcat | no clue then. |
| 04:24.35 | Phoenix92x | and Im guessing that kwin is kde? |
| 04:24.43 | deadcat | Phoenix92x: maybe. |
| 04:25.00 | Phoenix92x | I meant I typoed it I typed "alternative" instead of "alternatives" |
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| 04:25.24 | deadcat | Phoenix92x: maybe you should install kdm, i bet that would set kde as default |
| 04:25.30 | trym | Im trying to compile a kernel with suppot for my Plextor PX-712SA S-ATA DVDburner.. is enabling ATAPI support in include/linux/libata.h sufficient ? |
| 04:25.42 | zinx | uh |
| 04:25.48 | zinx | you shouldn't be touching include/linux/libata.h |
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| 04:26.03 | trym | zinx: hmm ok? What do I need to do to add support for my burner ? |
| 04:26.21 | zinx | if your burner is recognized at all it should be fine |
| 04:26.23 | aaronlin | I've set up apache. How can someone connect to my computer to access web files? |
| 04:26.30 | zinx | you'll need serial-ata support for that |
| 04:26.37 | trym | zinx: it is not recognized at all. My S-ATA HD is though and works great |
| 04:26.46 | trym | zinx: I would assume serial-ata support is enabled if my serial-ata disk works fine |
| 04:27.00 | zinx | you need cd/dvd drive support too :/ |
| 04:27.03 | hck427 | d |
| 04:27.15 | trym | zinx: ill have a look at menuconfig |
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| 04:28.07 | dondelelcaro | trym: yeah, it'll probably require scsi general and scsi cdrom support |
| 04:28.13 | Soman | bob2 - Do you know where to get the sarge downlaod? |
| 04:28.46 | somePriest | Hi all. I've just installed Debian fresh. I've installed cupsys and foomatic-db. I got to add a priner, and only 6 printer makers are listed. I installed Debian yesterday on another machine with cupsys/foomatic and there were lots of makers listed. What might I have done wrong? |
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| 04:30.35 | Soman | Orr anybody know wherer to get sarge? |
| 04:31.04 | dondelelcaro | Soman: http://www.debian.org/CD |
| 04:31.10 | trym | dondelelcaro/zinx: should I enable Support for SATA (depricated) ? |
| 04:31.23 | landslide | how do i determine what files a particular package has? |
| 04:31.30 | dondelelcaro | landslide: dpkg -L foopkg |
| 04:31.30 | landslide | i tried apt-cache showpkg ksvg |
| 04:31.33 | landslide | ah ;) thanks |
| 04:31.44 | dondelelcaro | trym: I don't think that's required, but I've never had a sata burner. |
| 04:31.55 | trym | it says it conflicts with libsata |
| 04:32.05 | dondelelcaro | trym: right, you probably won't need it then. |
| 04:32.11 | Soman | dondelelcaro - thanks |
| 04:32.19 | trym | dondelelcaro/zinx: the kernel image Im running already have SCSI CDROM support |
| 04:33.18 | trym | http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=2323 refers to chaning libsata.h |
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| 04:33.44 | somePriest | Also I installed xfree86, and ran it with the Blackbox wm. I've noticed on previous installs that Blackbox's menus have been auto-populated. This time, not only does the menu contain only two programs, but clicking on either doesn't result in that program opening. Nothing seems to happen. |
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| 04:34.28 | zinx | trym: you can try, but it sounds like a bad idea to me :/ |
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| 04:39.58 | meri | oh - |
| 04:41.11 | Phoenix92x | ok |
| 04:41.12 | Phoenix92x | new problem |
| 04:41.18 | Phoenix92x | lol given that the old one is solved |
| 04:41.56 | trym | zinx: can you have a look at my dmesg.. see if you see any reference to the burner? http://pastebot.nd.edu/145 |
| 04:42.32 | Phoenix92x | I get KDE running, and it says "sound server informational message. error while initializing the sound driver. Device /dev/dsp can't be opened (no such device). The sound server will continue, using the null output device" |
| 04:42.42 | Phoenix92x | Im using a SoundBlaster Live |
| 04:42.46 | Phoenix92x | never really attempted to configure it |
| 04:42.50 | Phoenix92x | don't exactly know how |
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| 04:44.03 | rob_lt | Phoenix92x, are you using alsa modules? Did you install alsa-oss? |
| 04:44.27 | rob_lt | afaik, /dev/dsp is a legacy OSS device, which alsa-oss can take care of |
| 04:45.42 | Phoenix92x | rob: I dont believe so |
| 04:45.48 | Phoenix92x | I dont even know what alsa modules are |
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| 04:46.45 | JasonF | Where is the example config.xml file for ices2 installed by default on debian? |
| 04:47.03 | deadcat | JasonF: dpkg -L ices2 |grep config |
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| 04:47.46 | JasonF | deadcat: gah, apparently it doesn't install it |
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| 04:47.58 | tengulre | hi,I want to building a qmail server under debian, about 4K users, anybody give some idea? |
| 04:48.11 | rob_lt | Phoenix92x, what kernel are you running? |
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| 04:50.00 | Phoenix92x | rob: 2.4.27, my nvidia drivers die otherwise |
| 04:50.13 | ke6isf | tengulre: If it's like postfix, it'll Just Work with some minor configuration. |
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| 04:51.33 | stew | ke6isf: qmail isn't in debian however |
| 04:51.45 | ke6isf | stew: I didn't know that. =^_= |
| 04:52.03 | ke6isf | tengulre: Any reason you prefer qmail over whatever? |
| 04:52.41 | ke6isf | stew: Ah, there it is - a source package in non-free. |
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| 04:53.13 | stew | yes |
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| 04:54.25 | Phoenix92x | rob: so what should I do? |
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| 04:55.18 | rob_lt | Phoenix92x, :) |
| 04:55.43 | rob_lt | Phoenix92x, I can tell you what I "think" you should do, but I'm not sure since this is not what I have to do on my system running a 2.6 kernel |
| 04:56.25 | rob_lt | apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-686 alsa-utils alsa-oss |
| 04:56.32 | rob_lt | alsaconf |
| 04:56.36 | rob_lt | alsamixer |
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| 04:57.50 | punsad | any good command line programs for recording from /dev/dsp? |
| 04:58.00 | rob_lt | of course, replace 686 with your architecture if it is not a 686 machine or you are not running the 686 kernel |
| 04:58.52 | punsad | JUST2~2~2~2~?q |
| 04:58.54 | punsad | ? |
| 04:58.56 | punsad | ?QUIT |
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| 05:01.09 | d03boy | anyone familiar with mplayer (marillat version) freezing when trying to play a dvd? |
| 05:02.06 | somePriest | What do I need installed so that WM's in Xfree86 will autopopulate their menus when programs are installed? I have Blackbox installed. When I install new packages, like mozilla-firefox, its not added to Blackbox's menu (even after shutdown/restart of XFree) |
| 05:03.12 | meri | sick - my videos never freeze |
| 05:03.19 | ke6isf | !tell somePriest -about blackbox |
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| 05:03.50 | ke6isf | somePriest: Perhaps there's some help in there. |
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| 05:05.23 | bier_ | somePriest: try "apt-get install menu && update-menus" |
| 05:06.03 | bier_ | somePriest: it works at least for xfce, don't know if it works for blackbox too... |
| 05:06.13 | Phoenix92x | rob: Im running a K7 architecture, so should I basically just do what you said and replace 686 with k7? |
| 05:06.54 | somePriest | bier_ : That's the ticket! Thank you very much. |
| 05:07.21 | rob_lt | Phoenix92x, again, I think so, but 1. I don't use a 2.4 kernel 2. I don't use KDE |
| 05:07.33 | Phoenix92x | allright, well Ill try it |
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| 05:07.34 | Phoenix92x | thanks rob |
| 05:07.43 | Phoenix92x | do I have to configure alsa? |
| 05:07.45 | rob_lt | np, let us know if it works |
| 05:07.52 | rob_lt | that's what the alsaconf will do |
| 05:08.34 | rob_lt | it should automagically find your sb live and ensure the appropriate modules are loaded. The alsa-oss is a wrapper so when an application tries to use the old oss devices, such as /dev/dsp, alsa still takes care of it |
| 05:08.36 | bier_ | somePriest: np ;) |
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| 05:10.43 | d03boy | gah! why doesnt my sound work in gnome but it worked fine in flux |
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| 05:14.02 | rob_lt | d03boy, what does "ps aux | grep esd" say? |
| 05:14.08 | meri | excuse me im seeking you for somebody else -hihi |
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| 05:15.10 | d03boy | oh srory, i'll check |
| 05:15.38 | d03boy | phillijw 6670 0.0 0.1 2308 856 ? S Aug21 0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps |
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| 05:16.19 | rob_lt | d03boy, well, it could be that your soundcard doesn't support hardware mixing, and because the gnome sound server (esd) is running, nothing else can use the card |
| 05:16.41 | meri | but i find a channel full of free thinking - amazing people - whow |
| 05:16.54 | d03boy | ah yes.. .that could be it |
| 05:16.58 | d03boy | xmms doesnt work either |
| 05:16.59 | rob_lt | try "kill 6670" and then run the ps command again to see if the daemon has stopped |
| 05:17.06 | d03boy | it all worked fine in flux though :P |
| 05:17.07 | rob_lt | then try playing something |
| 05:17.15 | rob_lt | flux doesn't use a sound server :) |
| 05:17.25 | meri | i use 2.6.12 kernel with a sid compilation - year |
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| 05:17.54 | d03boy | that must be the problem |
| 05:17.57 | d03boy | dvd works now.. |
| 05:18.00 | d03boy | not sure if i can hear it though |
| 05:18.01 | d03boy | let me check |
| 05:18.14 | rob_lt | ok, you can disable the sound server in applications -> sound I think |
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| 05:18.30 | rob_lt | ok, you can disable the sound server in applications -> desktop prefs -> sound I think |
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| 05:20.32 | d03boy | excellent |
| 05:20.36 | d03boy | thanks for the help :) |
| 05:20.48 | rob_lt | np |
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| 05:22.19 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
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| 05:23.25 | Daffy-PKF | can someone help me? i don't mange to print things with firefox, when trying i have this in the console wich launched firefox: "lpr: Epson: unknown printer", but i didi add a printer in cups wich is named "Epson" |
| 05:23.54 | shark_ | lpr is not cups |
| 05:24.02 | cahoot | huh? |
| 05:24.12 | Daffy-PKF | shark_> yes, but what to do so firefox uses cups? |
| 05:24.33 | jm_ | install cupsys BSD compatibility packge or fix printer configuration in firefox |
| 05:24.45 | Daffy-PKF | jm_> thanks i try |
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| 05:26.57 | meri | I love you!!! especialy abrotman - ;) |
| 05:28.45 | Daffy-PKF | jm_> thanks, it works :) |
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| 05:29.11 | Golani | hellow |
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| 05:30.42 | Golani | i'm trying to compile a program, instructions tell me to type ./configure to start wtih, i have compiled this before no problem....., but now after i type it it says, permission denied. any suggestions? |
| 05:31.06 | Golani | this happens for any program i need to compile not just this one. |
| 05:31.19 | ke6isf | Golani: Check the file permissions throughout the directory. Make sure you can write to it, and make sure you can run ./configure. |
| 05:32.05 | Golani | i hate to go into root, but even root account can not. it trhows the same message. =( |
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| 05:32.51 | ke6isf | Golani: OK, like I said, check the permissions. |
| 05:33.03 | Golani | k hold on. |
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| 05:35.52 | whiskers | hi, i need some help with some debian installer files i download |
| 05:36.06 | whiskers | i have 3 floppy disk images, how do i write them to floppy disks? |
| 05:36.15 | ke6isf | whiskers: Which operating system are you using? |
| 05:36.19 | jm_ | read istallation manual |
| 05:36.22 | whiskers | its a linux computer |
| 05:36.39 | ke6isf | whiskers: dd |
| 05:36.54 | whiskers | ? |
| 05:36.59 | ke6isf | jm_: There are further instructions on how to do this on the Debian webpage. |
| 05:37.01 | Golani | ke6isf, ahhh there we go =D. i just did the file name permissions, is there a way to do that for "Folder + all files inside" ? |
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| 05:37.25 | ke6isf | Golani: Yeah. -R option on chmod. |
| 05:37.38 | ke6isf | Golani: Also use the same options with chown as necessary. |
| 05:37.49 | Golani | cool thanks. this will help. |
| 05:38.15 | ke6isf | Golani: If after doing this it still behaves unpredictably, assuming you downloaded a .tar.gz or such with the source code, just delete the tree and reopen it. |
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| 05:39.24 | Golani | yea i was thinking about that too... as a 2nd option |
| 05:39.52 | jm_ | ke6isf: yes, installation manual is on the Debian web page |
| 05:40.23 | ke6isf | jm_: Indeed. I presume then that whiskers has located the information. =^^= |
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| 05:42.03 | Daffy-PKF | why are the colors so clear when printing from firefox and normal when printing from gimp? |
| 05:42.04 | ke6isf | Occasionally xchat drops out the little divider bar that is supposed to rest between the nick and what said nick is saying. Is this a known bug (v2.4.1)? |
| 05:42.16 | eonn | Guys is there an equivalent RDP system for Linux (e.g multiple windows users can run seperate RDP sessions on a linux server) |
| 05:42.16 | ke6isf | Addendum, if the window scrolls in that state, it self-restores. |
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| 05:43.05 | jm_ | eonn: xdmcp ... |
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| 05:43.49 | eonn | jm: is xdmcp able to be access via the native XP RDP client ? |
| 05:43.56 | jm_ | eonn: no |
| 05:44.11 | Golani | s |
| 05:44.34 | eonn | jm_: is there a linux equivalent that is capible of doing this? |
| 05:44.49 | rixth | Is it just me or has WikiPedia gone kaput/ |
| 05:44.52 | tarzeau | eonn: rdesktop ? |
| 05:44.56 | rabies | are there any openoffice 1.9.xxx beta debian packages available? |
| 05:44.58 | cartel_ | eonn: rdesktop.org |
| 05:44.59 | rixth | "The wikimedia web server didn't return any response to your request." |
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| 05:45.22 | Golani | weet it worked ke6isf. i wonder why this would of happened in the 1st place? my box has been off since april, and today was the 1st day i turned it on since then...ah well as long as it works |
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| 05:45.43 | eonn | rdesktop... many thanks |
| 05:45.45 | ke6isf | Golani: Weird. Glad to help. |
| 05:45.54 | jeff88 | i know this is a stupid question to ask in a room devoted to debian, but this is the only place where i trust the advice i get |
| 05:46.01 | NSAFreak | Need a little help installing Debian on an old world PPC. Just how do I create a swap partition using mac-fdisk? I use the C command but I can't seem to get the type corrrect |
| 05:46.16 | jm_ | eonn: I don't know, I haven't heard of an RFB server for Linux |
| 05:46.26 | jeff88 | im trying to fix a comp for a friend of mine, and was wondering if a copy of windows xp media edition i hvae loaded onto another machine would be loadable onto her machine |
| 05:46.37 | jeff88 | or will the registration key not work |
| 05:47.21 | eonn | rdesktop only looks as though it is a client applicaiton not a server application |
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| 05:48.09 | Fatal | got two debian unstable installs, on one aptitude uses less and on the other it uses more, PAGER is unset on both, anyone has an idea what differs? (less is installed on both systems) |
| 05:48.20 | ke6isf | jeff88: Install Debian on the box. |
| 05:48.31 | jm_ | Fatal: alternatives |
| 05:48.34 | jeff88 | i offered, but she doesnt know anything about it |
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| 05:49.03 | ke6isf | jeff88: And she didn't know anything about Windows when she started using it, did she? It's not rocket science, after all. |
| 05:49.05 | jeff88 | ke6isf: i offered, but she doesnt know anything about it |
| 05:49.48 | Fatal | jm_: /etc/alternatives/pager is symlinked to less on the machine that's using more. uhm, on both machines actually |
| 05:49.49 | jnc | jeff88: you're not going to get a straight answer about anything that contains a hint of using anything other than Debian around here |
| 05:49.56 | jeff88 | ke6isf: she said no. trust me, itd be a hell of alot easier for me |
| 05:49.58 | zdom | hi all, my boss want to buy adaptec 29320, I googled a lot but can't figure out it is supported by sarge or not, any idea or experience on this card? |
| 05:50.05 | jeff88 | jnc: haha but i trust the advice i get here |
| 05:50.08 | ke6isf | jeff88: Well, beyond that, what jnc said. |
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| 05:50.12 | jnc | zdom: should be, yes |
| 05:50.13 | jm_ | Fatal: then it's not executing /usr/bin/pager |
| 05:50.31 | zdom | jnc: u have tried it? |
| 05:51.14 | jeff88 | haha i thought the disclaimer i put out there before i asked the question would prevent me from feeling like a dumbass, but no such luck |
| 05:51.14 | Fatal | jm_: thanks, /usr/bin/pager was symlinked to /bin/more |
| 05:51.24 | jnc | zdom: i've tried many adaptec brand scsi cards. my experience is that they are overpriced, average function cards, and are mostly functional with a recent 2.6.x linux kernel |
| 05:51.25 | Fatal | wonder how that happened, oh well *fixes* |
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| 05:51.55 | ke6isf | jeff88: Asking in here for Windows advice is like asking a kosher deli for good pork sausage. |
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| 05:52.06 | jeff88 | ke6isf: haha i know i know |
| 05:52.08 | Coke | ke6isf: not true. |
| 05:52.15 | jeff88 | ke6isf: i really dont know why i asked it here |
| 05:52.17 | Coke | there's one advice always given here regarding windows |
| 05:52.18 | ke6isf | Coke: eh? |
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| 05:52.26 | ke6isf | Coke: What? "Don't use it"? |
| 05:52.28 | Coke | jeff88: upgrade your OS! |
| 05:52.31 | jeff88 | its just usually the room i go to when i have a computer related problem |
| 05:52.33 | Coke | ke6isf: oh, yeah, that one too. |
| 05:52.42 | jeff88 | Coke: not for me |
| 05:52.47 | Fatal | ah nice, now man is bareable again :) |
| 05:53.11 | zdom | jnc thx a lot for your experience. recently i got fucked by promise card hard, don't want to experience the same with adaptec |
| 05:53.26 | ke6isf | Coke: =^_^= |
| 05:53.33 | rabies | promise has promise |
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| 05:53.54 | jnc | zdom: i would suggest not doing anything sexual with computer hardware |
| 05:53.59 | jnc | it tends to hurt a lot |
| 05:54.03 | rabies | apt-get moo |
| 05:54.07 | Coke | hm, you would know. |
| 05:54.08 | jnc | but hey man, that's up to you |
| 05:54.09 | zdom | rabies I got 6 sx4100, tried debain sarge, etch, knoppix, centos, nothing is worked except RH9 |
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| 05:54.23 | rabies | zdom: uh huh |
| 05:54.24 | jnc | Coke: hells yea i would. computer chickys are kinky |
| 05:54.26 | zdom | jnc hoho, yes that hurst |
| 05:54.52 | zdom | I hate RH9, but I think I have to live with 6 RH9 server from now on |
| 05:55.11 | rabies | zdom: dude, its all the same kernel |
| 05:55.33 | rabies | zdom: it doesnt matter what distro you use as long as you can install the proper driver support |
| 05:55.50 | zdom | rabies that's true, but promise drivers got different versions |
| 05:55.58 | rabies | zdom: its probably just not supported in the kernel that sarge (if you are using woody, woody) comes with |
| 05:56.13 | zdom | rabies only the RH9 one worked |
| 05:56.34 | zdom | rabies what?? woody comes with promise driver? |
| 05:56.39 | rabies | zdom: no, it does not |
| 05:56.50 | rabies | zdom: try sarge yet? |
| 05:56.56 | zdom | rabies yes |
| 05:57.08 | rabies | well, whatever works for ya |
| 05:57.11 | zdom | rabies even ubuntu, 2.6.12-5 |
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| 05:57.30 | rabies | zdom: if i were you i'd find out _why_ it works and then use the distro of your choice |
| 05:57.36 | zdom | still not work, only RH9, it acts like a /dev/sda under it |
| 05:57.54 | ke6isf | !redhatsmite zdom |
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| 05:58.09 | rabies | zdom: i dont have to energy to explain about lsmod and modules, but google for it and you should find something |
| 05:58.14 | rabies | the* |
| 05:58.15 | zdom | rabies my linux technique is not that high enough to figure out why yet :( |
| 05:58.38 | rabies | zdom: nighjt |
| 05:58.39 | rabies | night |
| 05:58.40 | zdom | rabies ok, thx for direction |
| 05:59.23 | NSAFreak | anybody know how to create a swap partition using mac-fdisk? |
| 05:59.35 | jm_ | try #debian-ppc |
| 05:59.44 | NSAFreak | thanks |
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| 06:00.40 | stew | #debianppc |
| 06:01.09 | jm_ | doh |
| 06:02.08 | ke6isf | Sent a msg. |
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| 06:02.38 | albo | is there a way to have top show load on both of my cpu's |
| 06:03.15 | sanxiyn | albo: 1 |
| 06:03.28 | sanxiyn | (Well, it's on top help page) |
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| 06:03.37 | albo | sanxiyn: cool |
| 06:03.43 | xerophyte | any good svn client for linux ? |
| 06:03.51 | sanxiyn | xerophyte: apt-get install subversion |
| 06:03.59 | albo | sanxiyn: how's pypy |
| 06:04.07 | xerophyte | any good GUI svn client for linux ? |
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| 06:04.39 | sanxiyn | xerophyte: Emacs VC? :-) |
| 06:04.50 | foo | So is etch pretty stable? I really don't want to deal with a distro that has errors and/or problems ... but I have heard etch is pretty good. |
| 06:04.52 | sanxiyn | (qualifies good, not sure about GUI) |
| 06:05.02 | sanxiyn | foo: Use Sarge. |
| 06:05.10 | bob2 | if you want stable, use stable |
| 06:05.12 | ke6isf | foo: If you want to avoid trouble... what sanxiyn said. |
| 06:05.15 | stew | foo: etch is going through major changes right now |
| 06:05.25 | foo | stew: thanks |
| 06:05.26 | bob2 | etch will be interesting as x.org and the new libc6 filter down |
| 06:05.32 | rking | etch is teh brox0r right now |
| 06:05.47 | ke6isf | Maybe now is a Really Bad Time to dist-upgrade then. =^_^= |
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| 06:18.43 | foo | I am going to make a kernel. I am going to first start by just getting the 2.6.11.1 source, and then doing this: laptop:/usr/src/linux-2.6.11.1# make menuconfig && MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.3" make-kpkg --revision=linux.2.6.11.1 kernel_image --initrd - should this work? Anything else I need to do? |
| 06:19.30 | meri | hehe hes going to make a kernel - |
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| 06:21.35 | meri | make-kpkg works ever! |
| 06:21.55 | foo | ? |
| 06:22.30 | JimButton | meri: s/ever/always/ |
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| 06:26.25 | meri | foo: im not you kernel kreator - sorry |
| 06:27.18 | Daffy-PKF | can someone help? when printing my colors are too bright, i have an epson stylus c46 configured with cups |
| 06:28.01 | spdf | Is your printer running low on any inks? (ex. black) |
| 06:29.07 | Daffy-PKF | spdf> no, and the strange thing is that the test page is fine, only cups test page and images printed with gimp are ok |
| 06:29.39 | Daffy-PKF | when printing from firefox or openoffice or anything else than gimp there is the problem |
| 06:29.50 | meri | this dont work - ok! |
| 06:29.56 | samuel | sup all |
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| 06:30.40 | samuel | anyone here familiar with SElinux? whats the big deal there? i dont get why make linux safer than it is and loose 7% performance |
| 06:30.49 | samuel | seems like a bad deal to me |
| 06:31.09 | jnc | so uh |
| 06:31.11 | jnc | don't use it |
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| 06:31.34 | jm_ | it might make sense to someone, who doesn't care about losing 10% of performance |
| 06:31.52 | samuel | but why does fedora ship it by default? FC is not a server OS |
| 06:32.02 | samuel | more like desktop no? |
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| 06:32.22 | jm_ | are you saying security doesn't matter on desktops? |
| 06:32.38 | meri | so you be scared samuel - hehe |
| 06:32.42 | xsquared | hi, how do i start ALSA from the command line without alsa-utils package? |
| 06:33.25 | samuel | well... no, but i think that linux is so secure already i dont see why selinux is needed, im getting it now, to see if it really slows things down |
| 06:33.47 | samuel | plus there is that 10% no? |
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| 06:34.41 | jm_ | who cares about 10%, you can just buy 10% faster CPU for a bit more |
| 06:34.43 | meri | *no reply* whats going on here - |
| 06:35.02 | samuel | jm_, i guess |
| 06:35.26 | spdf | samuel, It won't make you any less secure, and without it you're still more secure than windows.. |
| 06:35.51 | jm_ | samuel: it adds a lot to standard Linux security |
| 06:35.53 | meri | is quiet vor 10 years - year |
| 06:36.38 | samuel | spdf, im not concerned about that, but it looks alot like well all have it turned on by default in a while, so might as well learn a little bit about it now |
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| 06:40.15 | meri | listen Jewel - Pieces of you - |
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| 06:40.57 | veleno | i have a pdf document which contains russian fonts: how could I convert it to .doc so that my editor can "edit" it ? |
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| 06:42.30 | jnc | meri: are you suggesting suicide? |
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| 06:43.49 | meri | jnc: i practice suicide for more than 10 jears - |
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| 06:44.13 | eeyore- | veleno: pdf files are not editable by typical word processors |
| 06:44.34 | veleno | eeyore-: i know i need something like Acrobat |
| 06:44.36 | eeyore- | veleno: you might consider buying Professional edition of Acrobat |
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| 06:44.53 | jnc | meri: something for everyone |
| 06:44.55 | alistair | how do i get my current version name of gtk? |
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| 06:45.03 | zimnyx | i got problem with my soundcard. I have ALSA compiled into kernel, and my sound driver as a module. When system start, ALSA says no soundcard detected, the module is loaded (/etc/modules), but sound doesn;t work. Next i do modprobe -r sound_module, and modprobe sound_module, and sound starts to work. what can be a reason? (btw gnome-alsamixer even when i got sound, shows me that no card was detected) |
| 06:45.16 | jnc | i've got over 1,000 albums of various artists for a wide range of music |
| 06:45.25 | jnc | and few albums make me want to die |
| 06:45.25 | eeyore- | zimnyx: have you "alsaconf"? |
| 06:45.31 | zimnyx | eeyore-: no |
| 06:45.35 | jnc | Jewel "pieces of you" is one of them |
| 06:45.38 | jnc | it's that bad IMO |
| 06:45.42 | doublehp | Gkrellm: is it possible, wihtout hving to create myself a new dedicated plugin, to view as digit (or bar), one number (counting something), or a word (last word of a log) ? |
| 06:45.52 | jm_ | alistair: consult packaging system for info |
| 06:45.56 | alistair | JNC: How do i display what my current version of gta |
| 06:45.57 | alistair | oh ok |
| 06:46.03 | pepperpot_ | my chair is really killing my back. Should I get an Aeron? |
| 06:46.16 | meri | we will all die - |
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| 06:47.06 | alistair | how do i view my version of gtk? |
| 06:47.08 | Mardus | Hiyo. |
| 06:47.34 | eeyore- | alistair: have you tried "ls"? |
| 06:47.37 | alistair | ls |
| 06:47.39 | alistair | lmao hold on |
| 06:47.45 | saboteur | alistair: man dpkg |
| 06:47.47 | Mardus | LOL |
| 06:48.02 | meri | so its in our hands to do it faster ;) |
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| 06:48.25 | saboteur | meri: a porsche can take care of that :) |
| 06:49.04 | Mardus | Question: Is it possible to make a screenshot in X by pressing the PrintScrnt button and then pasting? |
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| 06:49.15 | alistair | is GTK gnome? |
| 06:49.15 | Mardus | * PrintScrn |
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| 06:49.26 | saboteur | gnome toolkit |
| 06:49.26 | Mardus | alistair: GTK is the Gnome ToolKit, AFAIK |
| 06:49.27 | eeyore- | alistair: gnome = gtk + few other things |
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| 06:49.45 | anon2 | gtk is the Gimp Toolkit, iirc |
| 06:49.49 | fantomas | Hello. |
| 06:49.54 | Mardus | anon2: Yea, you're right. |
| 06:49.56 | eeyore- | alistair: gnome is built on gtk, but gtk is not gnome |
| 06:50.05 | saboteur | sounds about right |
| 06:50.26 | alistair | eeyore, would downloading a skin for GTK work then? |
| 06:50.33 | eeyore- | alistair: gnome adds consistency and other things to gtk, it's also got loads of API's for other functionalities. gtk is very basic UI toolkit |
| 06:50.43 | jm_ | they're called themes, not skins ;) |
| 06:50.44 | eeyore- | alistair: sure |
| 06:50.46 | meri | a porsche is a shit when you lost your love - right pal? |
| 06:51.00 | alistair | meri, yep |
| 06:51.01 | fantomas | I've installed 2.6.12.3 kernel and now my logs are full of a messages like: [kernel] ip_local_deliver: bad skb: PRE_ROUTING LOCAL_IN LOCAL_OUT POST_ROUTING ... etc. Whats that? |
| 06:51.02 | Mardus | alistair: gnome is a desktop environment, like KDE. |
| 06:51.21 | eeyore- | fantomas: if you figured it out, let me know :-) |
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| 06:51.27 | fantomas | eeyore-: same? :) |
| 06:51.27 | alistair | I know that mardus |
| 06:51.41 | eeyore- | fantomas: heck yeah |
| 06:52.23 | eeyore- | fantomas: doesn't seem to break anything, so i didn't bother finding the reason/explanation |
| 06:53.44 | saboteur | meri: a porsche isn't much |
| 06:54.03 | Mardus | How would it be possible to make a screenshot and have tooltips with it? I can make screengrabs with ImageMagick, but I need a more live screenshot... |
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| 06:54.08 | spdf | fantomas, I believe its just debugging code.. Removed in 2.6.13-rc |
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| 06:54.15 | black`d3vil | hello all |
| 06:54.22 | black`d3vil | can someone help me for one FreeBSD |
| 06:54.27 | black`d3vil | because i have s problem ;p |
| 06:54.33 | alistair | hey guys, just a quick question, how do i make my windows such as the konsole semi-transperent?B) |
| 06:54.35 | black`d3vil | btw, i have not used BSD bedore |
| 06:54.41 | black`d3vil | so that is my first installation |
| 06:54.54 | jm_ | Mardus: man import |
| 06:54.54 | meri | saboteur: so let me drive in this porsche in germany - hehhe |
| 06:55.15 | eeyore- | Mardus: gnome screenshot has "wait x seconds before taking screenshot" option |
| 06:55.19 | xsquared | how could i start ALSA from the command line without alsa-utils package? |
| 06:55.24 | anon2 | alistair: eterm is a transparent xterm |
| 06:55.26 | veleno | i'd like to copy some text from a russian site into OpenOffice: problem is that when i paste it into my document, fonts are unreadable. what is the problem ? in firefox, i can correctly read it |
| 06:55.45 | saboteur | meri: no point having the porsche unless you've got someone else to enjoy it |
| 06:56.06 | alistair | anon2, how can i make my windows like that? |
| 06:56.10 | spdf | fantomas, If you've compiled your own, do 'er again and disable CONFIG_NETFILTER_DEBUG |
| 06:56.17 | eeyore- | saboteur: (1) this is off-topic, (2) this is just plain stupid |
| 06:56.25 | Mardus | eeyore-: I need something that's not exactly a gnome screenshot, because I use an old computer. ImageMagick allows to wate X seconds, too, but the solution seems to elude me, becaue in order to make a screenshot with ImageMagick, I have to wait for the mouse cursor to become a cross and then click on a window... |
| 06:56.46 | saboteur | eeyore-: agreed |
| 06:57.04 | xsquared | Mardus: get scrot |
| 06:57.19 | anon2 | alistair: I'm not sure konsole supports transperecy, but eterm is well-known for that feature |
| 06:57.22 | fantomas | spdf: let me check whats in config... |
| 06:57.25 | TheStick | howdy |
| 06:57.28 | Mardus | veleno: Select the text with your main button, then in OpenOffice, click the middle mouse button and then enjoy the text. |
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| 06:57.46 | meri | this is boaring |
| 06:58.00 | eeyore- | meri: making a pig? |
| 06:58.01 | Mardus | veleno: If you happen to have a mouse with only two buttons, paste by clicking those two buttons simultaneously. |
| 06:58.03 | alistair | how can i run eterm anon2? |
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| 06:58.04 | jm_ | Mardus: no you don't, man import |
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| 06:58.10 | spdf | eeyore-, Or a hole in a pig. |
| 06:58.16 | saboteur | drilling for water? :) |
| 06:58.18 | fantomas | spdf: yes, its enabled :) Thanks. |
| 06:58.23 | Mardus | jm_: Are you referring to my supposed pasting solution? |
| 06:58.24 | spdf | fantomas, No problem |
| 06:58.35 | maj | i got newbie question : what is the minimum amount of cd's needed for install ?? |
| 06:58.40 | xsquared | does anyone use alsa on testing with udev? |
| 06:58.45 | alistair | depends on what size maj |
| 06:58.49 | bob2 | maj: zero |
| 06:58.50 | eeyore- | maj: zero |
| 06:58.51 | chealer | maj: 1, if you install from CD |
| 06:58.58 | jm_ | Mardus: no, to your questions about making a screenshot without using mouse |
| 06:59.01 | Mardus | xsquared: apt-get install scrot? |
| 06:59.06 | anon2 | alistair: eterm is just a terminal emu that has semi-transperecy |
| 06:59.06 | bob2 | maj: each cd just contains packages (and an installer) |
| 06:59.08 | xsquared | Mardus: yes |
| 06:59.08 | meri | i flash your "porsche" thru the limits - hihi |
| 06:59.10 | anon2 | just apt-get it |
| 06:59.11 | xsquared | Mardus: then man scrot |
| 06:59.12 | maj | i have 4 Mb connection to net and can use pt-get |
| 06:59.20 | maj | *apt-get |
| 06:59.26 | saboteur | maj: just grab the first disc then |
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| 06:59.28 | jm_ | maj: get netinst iso |
| 06:59.29 | maj | using dsl now |
| 06:59.32 | saboteur | or, a mini iso |
| 06:59.44 | alistair | get netinst and choose Http apt method and Desktop Environment. :) |
| 06:59.47 | maj | md5 corupt most of time me tried |
| 06:59.59 | bob2 | then your connection is fucked |
| 07:00.00 | bob2 | try again |
| 07:00.16 | jm_ | then it's either your connection, your downloader or your mirror site |
| 07:00.17 | alistair | anon2, how can i run this |
| 07:00.18 | fantomas | Are there free OpenGL small games for Linux? I want to test installed opengl drivers for my video card. |
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| 07:00.34 | alistair | Fantomas: Gnome Tetris i think.. |
| 07:00.38 | chealer | fantomas: neverball |
| 07:00.39 | xsquared | alsa is being a bitch. what are your solutions with the alsa-utils conflicting with udev? how can i start sound without alsa-utils? |
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| 07:00.45 | jm_ | fantomas: glxgears, GL screen savers, ... |
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| 07:01.21 | spdf | fantomas, neverball is fun.. |
| 07:01.31 | alistair | xD |
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| 07:02.58 | gaiaon | recently, my keyboard was down and this makes me wonder whether the PC can do without one. anyone ever used a PC with only a mouse or writing tablet and on-screen keyboard? |
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| 07:04.20 | agabus | what version of kde is in testing at the moment could someone tell me please? |
| 07:04.38 | spdf | agabus, www.debian.org, search the packages.. |
| 07:04.45 | maj | going to try a dif mirror |
| 07:04.51 | anon2 | alistair: i think you can just apt-get install eterm and then run eterm |
| 07:04.51 | agabus | spdf - k thanks |
| 07:05.22 | agabus | spdf - The Debian search engine has been disabled for now. We're working on it. |
| 07:05.25 | alistair | anon2, what is the command, i've apt-getted it |
| 07:05.42 | meri | hehe "porsche" is just a crying animal under my feet - |
| 07:05.44 | spdf | agabus, 3.3.2-2 |
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| 07:05.58 | gaiaon | what's the command to remove a package cleanly? |
| 07:06.01 | agabus | spdf - oh k, thanks |
| 07:06.18 | xsquared | gaiaon: apt-get remove blah --purge |
| 07:06.28 | maj | i like the feel of suse but debian a LOT easier to update and etc. i LOVE apt-get |
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| 07:06.49 | alistair | maj: Get Mandrake ;) :p |
| 07:06.50 | fantomas | Is there an option of apt-get which makes just print URLs of packages to download? (I need them to download packages with wget from remote machine (cheaper connection)) |
| 07:06.57 | gaiaon | xsquared, apt-get remove --purge? |
| 07:07.09 | alistair | apt-get remove packagename--purge |
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| 07:07.17 | xsquared | gaiaon: apt-get remove {package} --purge |
| 07:07.19 | xsquared | heh |
| 07:07.23 | bob2 | xsquared: what is alsa-utils supposed to do? |
| 07:07.24 | maj | mandrake good for newbies too |
| 07:07.25 | xsquared | beat me to it |
| 07:07.26 | gaiaon | ok, thks |
| 07:07.35 | bob2 | you can just load the modules without it, and alsamixer should unmute things for you |
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| 07:07.48 | xsquared | bob2: start, restart, stop, provide amixer and a few other thing |
| 07:08.02 | bob2 | but what does it *do*? |
| 07:08.03 | maj | debian good for medium expertese |
| 07:08.08 | alistair | Im having audio/teamspeak problems, i got in and my headset and microphone is auto muted and i cant unmute them. |
| 07:08.09 | bob2 | aside from loading modules and unmuting it? |
| 07:08.21 | gaiaon | what about my keyboard problem, any answer for that? |
| 07:08.24 | anon2 | alistair: the command should just be "eterm" |
| 07:08.26 | xsquared | bob2: i don't think it does much else |
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| 07:08.36 | ricochet | is there a way to dist-downgrade from unstable to testing? or do I just have to reinstall.. |
| 07:08.47 | bob2 | xsquared: ignore it then, let hotplug load the modules, and alsamixer restore the volumes |
| 07:08.50 | bob2 | ricochet: not really |
| 07:08.51 | alistair | ricohet: i had to reinstall :S |
| 07:08.53 | bob2 | !+downgrade |
| 07:08.53 | dpkg | i heard downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 07:09.00 | xsquared | bob2: it won't :'-( |
| 07:09.07 | bob2 | what won't what? |
| 07:09.18 | alistair | eterm isnt working >_> |
| 07:09.33 | xsquared | bob2: hotplug detects the sound card etc but it doesn't change the volumes back and when i turn on the speakers, no sound comes out |
| 07:10.09 | bob2 | ignore that |
| 07:10.18 | bob2 | if you unmute it manually, is it all good? |
| 07:10.22 | rixth | Why do I ger permission denied to /dev/cdrom? I'm in the cdrom group |
| 07:10.28 | xsquared | i did unmute it manually |
| 07:10.31 | xsquared | no go |
| 07:10.35 | xsquared | :'-( |
| 07:10.42 | bob2 | and it still doesn't work? |
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| 07:10.47 | xsquared | nope |
| 07:11.00 | bob2 | what else do you have to do to get it to work? |
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| 07:11.27 | xsquared | bob2: see.... i don't know what the package actually does at start up |
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| 07:11.45 | xsquared | /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: Use the alsa-utils initscript instead. |
| 07:11.53 | bob2 | I'd be suspecting that you're not unmuting everything |
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| 07:12.23 | rixth | Okay what the fuck. Even root is getting permission denied to /dev/cdrom.... |
| 07:12.24 | anon2 | alistair: my mistake, type Eterm, capital E |
| 07:12.40 | meri | i drove so exactely - that the hair of your bitch never be broken on a lap - *rofl* |
| 07:12.45 | comfrey | /dev/dsp is a mic device too yes |
| 07:12.49 | alistair | ah ok |
| 07:12.50 | alistair | thanks |
| 07:13.09 | nar | I want to use the BTS to see if there are resolved or unresolved problems with the sundance lan drivers in the 2.4 kernal but I am not sure where to look in BTS. Any pointers? |
| 07:13.28 | xsquared | bob2: nope |
| 07:13.35 | bob2 | bugs.debian.org/src:kernel-image-whjatever-your-version-is |
| 07:13.35 | xsquared | bob2: ive unmuted everything |
| 07:14.15 | chealer | nar: you can look at kernel-source-2.4.27, the kernel pseudo-package, or a kernel image page |
| 07:14.20 | chealer | s/page/package |
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| 07:14.43 | comfrey | i am trying to use sjphone and the fellow on the other end cant hear me |
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| 07:15.05 | comfrey | also... i can hear myself coming through the mic in my headphones... |
| 07:15.14 | comfrey | using i810 audio |
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| 07:15.22 | comfrey | 2.6 |
| 07:15.33 | xsquared | bob2: I FOUND IT |
| 07:15.36 | alistair | I have a mic that is built into my laptop.. now... 1 Of the mics i can hear the keys been pressed and the fan, the other one however is for output such as speaking on teamspeak, when i go into teamspeak i am automatically muted and my headset is muted, i cannot unmute myself, what can i do? Im REALTEK audio |
| 07:15.37 | comfrey | so, i am wondering if /dev/dsp is the mic... |
| 07:15.38 | eye69 | comfrey: What transport protocol are you using then? |
| 07:15.39 | xsquared | bob2: yay. |
| 07:15.50 | eye69 | comfrey: Are you sure it isn't a problem with firewalls etc? |
| 07:16.05 | comfrey | eye69: sip, yeah all ports open |
| 07:16.07 | bob2 | xsquared: what was it? |
| 07:16.11 | MrWeet | what flavor of debian should I use? I just want a debian distro that comes with all the standard stuff, like gcc, gimp, gaim, etc |
| 07:16.21 | ke6isf | MrWeet: Sarge. |
| 07:16.36 | xsquared | bob2: it was muted... but the amixer didn't show the scrollbar all the way |
| 07:17.11 | chealer | MrWeet: heh...this certainly isn't too much for sarge |
| 07:17.14 | bob2 | ignore amixer |
| 07:17.16 | comfrey | i have /dev/dsp, /dev/dsp0, /dev/dsp1 etc |
| 07:17.17 | xsquared | bob2: thanks |
| 07:17.19 | bob2 | MrWeet: sarge |
| 07:17.37 | MrWeet | what is "sarge"? im new to debian |
| 07:17.42 | ke6isf | !sarge |
| 07:17.43 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 07:18.05 | MrWeet | ah the latest stable debian release ;) |
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| 07:18.10 | ke6isf | MrWeet: Yes. |
| 07:18.30 | ke6isf | MrWeet: What kind of cnnection are you on? |
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| 07:18.43 | MrWeet | alright. i was looking at linux-iso.org and they have things like "vanilla boot" and stuff |
| 07:18.55 | anon2 | exit |
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| 07:18.58 | ke6isf | MrWeet: Go to http://www.debian.org |
| 07:19.04 | MrWeet | im on a 1.5mbs/384kbs dsl crap connection :( (getting 10mbs/2mbs soon :)!) |
| 07:19.15 | ke6isf | MrWeet: OK, get netinst. |
| 07:19.18 | bob2 | wtf |
| 07:19.19 | meri | do you reach on german roads 300 km/h? |
| 07:19.24 | bob2 | 1.5mbit/s is plenty |
| 07:19.27 | MrWeet | whats netinst? |
| 07:19.30 | bob2 | you can get a full iso in 45 minutes |
| 07:19.37 | ke6isf | MrWeet: Glad you asked! |
| 07:19.38 | ke6isf | !netinst |
| 07:19.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For sarge, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ For boot floppies see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ For etch see http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso for x86, or see dialup install. Also see d-i. |
| 07:19.46 | bob2 | MrWeet: a 50Mb or so install disk that downloads everything it needs from the interweb |
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| 07:19.56 | MrWeet | ah nice |
| 07:20.10 | alistair | Im having a problem with teamspeak, im auto muted and so is the microphone, i cant undo it, This is the same for recording, i think i might have to install Realtek or something, my card requires realtek i know but can somebody help me sort this microphone problem out |
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| 07:20.23 | bob2 | it's by far the most efficnent install method if you have a fast connection |
| 07:20.31 | maj | how longg on a 4Mb connection to install an AVERAGE desktop system ?? |
| 07:20.43 | MrWeet | problem is, im on usb wireless, and its not supported by linux :( |
| 07:20.48 | ke6isf | bob2: 1.5/384 ADSL is plenty fast enough. |
| 07:20.51 | bob2 | maj: it will be limited by your hard disk speed |
| 07:20.54 | alistair | maj: under 2 hours |
| 07:20.54 | bob2 | ke6isf: I agree |
| 07:20.55 | ke6isf | oh boy, USB wireless. |
| 07:21.01 | MrWeet | i know :( |
| 07:21.03 | alistair | I have a logitech mx 1000 wireless, works fine :) |
| 07:21.10 | bob2 | my netgear ma-111 worked fine |
| 07:21.32 | MrWeet | i have a linksys v4 and an atmel 505A |
| 07:21.32 | maj | then i can update stuff as needed |
| 07:21.34 | MrWeet | neither of which work |
| 07:21.48 | ke6isf | MrWeet: Are these provided by Verizon? |
| 07:22.14 | MrWeet | no, i see you know how to tracert ;), verizon didnt provide anything for me, just a crappy dsl modem/router |
| 07:22.30 | ke6isf | MrWeet: I actually did a /whois here on IRC. =^^= |
| 07:22.51 | MrWeet | lol, well, good things to know ;) |
| 07:23.28 | ke6isf | MrWeet: Well... try out netinst, see if you can get it to talk to the outside world. If you can, great - if not, try the DSL modem directly unless you have need for a wlan. |
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| 07:24.12 | MrWeet | parents wont let me have the modem in my room, so i'm basically cable-less, only reason im on wireless |
| 07:24.27 | bob2 | can you run ethernet while you install |
| 07:24.27 | ke6isf | MrWeet: Ah, you're a youngun then. =^^= |
| 07:24.29 | bob2 | ? |
| 07:24.40 | bob2 | it's less than < one hour of downloading |
| 07:25.12 | MrWeet | i could do that, but I would have to boot from windows to linux for your guy's help installing the usb so I could use internet with debian O_O |
| 07:25.21 | ircdevil | what options do i have to get a document gramma-checked? (written in lyx) |
| 07:25.42 | ke6isf | ircdevil: gramma-checked? You mean grammar checked? |
| 07:25.43 | ircdevil | btw hi all |
| 07:25.50 | ircdevil | ke6isf: oh yes :o) |
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| 07:26.24 | bob2 | I don't think lyx works with any grammar checkers |
| 07:26.31 | bob2 | and I don't know of any grammar checkers in Debian |
| 07:26.38 | ke6isf | MrWeet: I fold on the wireless bit, unless you can get it to Just Work. Alternatively, you might try getting a wired hub and see if you can talk your parental units into letting you run a CAT5 across the house. |
| 07:26.39 | bob2 | if I'm wrong, please file a bug so I can add a Suggests for it |
| 07:26.44 | ircdevil | bob2: it doesnt, but i can export to text ... |
| 07:27.02 | ircdevil | bob2: maybe online ones? |
| 07:27.08 | jm_ | ircdevil: you probably mean spell checker |
| 07:27.30 | MrWeet | KE6ISF: that would involve drilling a hole in my floor (from 2nd floor) to the router which is 12ft under me |
| 07:27.40 | ircdevil | jm_ well, that is handled ok from within lyx using aspell |
| 07:27.51 | jm_ | ircdevil: well good luck with grammar checkers |
| 07:28.12 | MrWeet | ke6isf: would a wireless bridge work (wireless adapter that hooks into your ethernet port) |
| 07:28.12 | jm_ | gramadoir - Irish language grammar checker |
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| 07:28.15 | jm_ | nice ;) |
| 07:28.28 | bob2 | haha |
| 07:28.35 | ircdevil | jm_ i saw that too |
| 07:29.21 | ircdevil | what about oo |
| 07:29.22 | SimonRaven | anyone else seeing mydoom.at crap showing up in their logs? |
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| 07:29.55 | SimonRaven | i've been getting it for the last few days |
| 07:29.56 | alistair | hm, my cd drive isnt opening, sometimes it opens and sometimes it doesn't.. |
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| 07:30.07 | SimonRaven | kick it |
| 07:30.10 | ke6isf | MrWeet: Can't say, not having any experience in it. |
| 07:30.23 | alistair | simon, its a laptop :) |
| 07:30.24 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: What should I look for? |
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| 07:31.01 | SimonRaven | ke6isf: well i'm using clamav and exim4, "...virus or other harmful content (Worm.Mydoom.AT)." |
| 07:31.19 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Ah, the virus scraper logs. |
| 07:31.23 | SimonRaven | alistair: you can still kick it, no? ;p |
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| 07:32.18 | ke6isf | Time to reboot and test the replacement kernel. |
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| 07:36.03 | nimak | how do i mount an ntfs partition so that my uid has read permission? |
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| 07:36.20 | jm_ | use appropriate mount options |
| 07:36.27 | tarzeau | nimak: www.linuks.mine.nu/mount/ |
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| 07:37.13 | alistair | lol |
| 07:37.27 | Coke | alistair overeem? |
| 07:37.45 | alistair | Im having microphone problems, when i go into teamspeak im auto muted and my headset is muted, also i can record, and yes i have checked my volume control >_> |
| 07:37.48 | nimak | thanks |
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| 07:38.04 | SimonRaven | alsamixer. mute by default |
| 07:38.33 | SimonRaven | not plugged in? |
| 07:38.50 | alistair | its built into my laptop |
| 07:39.19 | alistair | but i have always had a certain mic problem, if i unmute the first line-in i can hear my clicks and key presses, where as the other one should work |
| 07:39.23 | Lewoco | How do I force dselect to install libncurses5-dev? The only dependency of the package is libncurses5 which is installed but it still refuses to install the development libs. |
| 07:39.28 | alistair | so what can i do? |
| 07:39.39 | bob2 | Lewoco: "force"? |
| 07:39.44 | bob2 | sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
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| 07:39.55 | Lewoco | I'll try, one sec. |
| 07:40.10 | meri | iam drunk and you wanna test me - hahaha |
| 07:40.20 | SimonRaven | threaten to sit on it and fart into it |
| 07:40.24 | alistair | does anybody have any ideas for my problem? |
| 07:40.46 | SimonRaven | i'd say it was crap h/w, but that's me |
| 07:41.32 | SimonRaven | meri: well good for you. and no, i don't want to test you. |
| 07:41.46 | Lewoco | bob2, Ah, the problem is I have libncurses-5.4-9 installed, but libncurses5-dev requires libncurses-5.4-4 |
| 07:42.13 | SimonRaven | what did you do to your sources.list? |
| 07:42.50 | alistair | anybody? |
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| 07:45.08 | rixth | !info mozilla-firefox etch |
| 07:45.31 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
| 07:45.53 | rixth | Eugh, come on! Still 1.0.4. Thats quite unacceptable. |
| 07:46.10 | rixth | 1.0.6 has been out for over a month now... |
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| 07:47.21 | tainted_ | how do i list which packages are installed? |
| 07:47.25 | tainted_ | with apt |
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| 07:47.38 | jm_ | 1.0.6 is in sid ... |
| 07:47.40 | subgv | what is a good Visual Compiler package? I know one that looks like Visual C++ but I forgot the package. |
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| 07:47.53 | SimonRaven | alistair: keep playing with muting/unmuting, check google for your sound h/w and lappy |
| 07:48.20 | SimonRaven | yeh, been there for a while now |
| 07:48.26 | SimonRaven | (moz-ff) |
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| 07:50.38 | sleon|tuX | i have a system with hang processes i can not kill them and they prevent normal reboot procedure. is there a sort of hardreset for linux? |
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| 07:50.58 | alistair | hm ok |
| 07:51.05 | jm_ | sleon|tuX: no |
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| 07:52.11 | zOap | how can I use my osc program in deb? |
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| 07:52.23 | zOap | ^ osx |
| 07:53.04 | Mardus | Question: I know that /usr/sbin/mkboot makes a boot diskette. Does it just put a kernel on the diskette, so that the system could boot from the diskette? |
| 07:53.13 | bibe | rixth : all security updates that came with 1.0.5 and 1.0.6 have been backported into 1.0.4-2 |
| 07:53.37 | sleon|tuX | jm_, :(( |
| 07:53.41 | sleon|tuX | jm_, what should i do? |
| 07:53.43 | rixth | bibe, then why not release 1.0.6... |
| 07:54.26 | MrWeet | sleon|tuX: your pc's power button? |
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| 07:54.37 | sleon|tuX | MrWeet, no physical access |
| 07:54.37 | bibe | rixth : because of debian policy with stable releases. if you really want 1.0.6 with all enhancements (other than security updates) use the one from unsable |
| 07:54.48 | bibe | rixth : unstable |
| 07:54.55 | sleon|tuX | http://pastebin.com/342839 |
| 07:54.58 | sleon|tuX | this backtracde |
| 07:55.09 | sleon|tuX | after i firedup quotacheck on mounted fs with -f option |
| 07:55.32 | cat | ok |
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| 07:55.56 | newbi-dont-abuse | can I ask what sarge is, and what woody is? are they like just different software bundles? |
| 07:56.08 | cat | newbi-dont-abuse: yeah woody is really old, |
| 07:56.14 | jm_ | sleon|tuX: find out why this happens and fix it |
| 07:56.19 | sleon|tuX | jm_, rofl |
| 07:56.26 | sleon|tuX | jm_, reboot -fn solved it |
| 07:56.32 | sleon|tuX | jm_, it is possibleto force reboot :) |
| 07:56.34 | subgv | what is a good Visual Compiler package? I know one that looks like Visual C++ but I forgot the package. |
| 07:56.51 | jm_ | sleon|tuX: yes, but that's not the thing to do ... |
| 07:57.02 | cat | subgv: c++ |
| 07:57.03 | cat | ? |
| 07:57.06 | cat | or gcc |
| 07:57.09 | sleon|tuX | jm_, my half system crashed |
| 07:57.13 | newbi-dont-abuse | oh ok thanks cat. So for a newbie like me I want to get debian with the sarge package? or can I just get a debian iso and add what I want latter when I need it? |
| 07:57.15 | sleon|tuX | jm_, lot of zombie processes |
| 07:57.30 | sleon|tuX | jm_, you can't fix it in that state |
| 07:57.37 | cat | newbi-dont-abuse: yeah if you have an internet connection you can download the packages by internet, |
| 07:58.09 | jm_ | sleon|tuX: yes, but you can find out why they become zombies and fix that |
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| 07:58.11 | Mardus | newbi-dont-abuse: You want to get at least the first CD of Debian 3.1. This particular version of Debian is called Sarge (often the name is not capitalised. |
| 07:58.18 | sleon|tuX | jm_, i found out |
| 07:58.25 | newbi-dont-abuse | sweet, I might just install bare debian then and install what I need latter |
| 07:58.28 | sleon|tuX | jm_, i can't fix that it is a kernel bug in quota driver |
| 07:58.39 | cat | i finally got debian gnu linux bible 3.1 |
| 07:58.45 | newbi-dont-abuse | oh so sarge is just the release of debian 3.1? |
| 07:58.51 | cat | yeah |
| 07:58.51 | sleon|tuX | jm_, want me to become kernel hacker?? |
| 07:58.53 | jm_ | sleon|tuX: really? maybe you have hardware problems |
| 07:58.54 | alistair | Does anybody know a command to open the cd drive? |
| 07:58.57 | Mardus | newbi-dont-abuse: Yes, if you have a net connection. Also make sure that you have a system (or another computer) that you can rely on just in case something goes wrong. |
| 07:58.58 | sleon|tuX | jm_, nope |
| 07:59.01 | sleon|tuX | jm_, maybe |
| 07:59.03 | zdom | what is that bible? a new book? |
| 07:59.05 | Coke | alistair: eject |
| 07:59.05 | sleon|tuX | jm_, but i don't think so |
| 07:59.06 | Lewoco | How can I install a specific (old) version of a program? |
| 07:59.10 | cat | alistair: apt-cdrom |
| 07:59.10 | alistair | thanks coke |
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| 07:59.16 | sleon|tuX | jm_, sure there is posibility |
| 07:59.22 | alistair | muhaha, it worked, bingo ;) |
| 07:59.23 | sleon|tuX | jm_, but the rest of the system works stable and fine |
| 07:59.31 | sleon|tuX | jm_, as i switched quotas on |
| 07:59.31 | cat | Lewoco: man apt-get source packages.version |
| 07:59.33 | sleon|tuX | i got the shit |
| 07:59.36 | zdom | cat is that a new book? |
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| 07:59.38 | newbi-dont-abuse | ok thanks Mardus and cat for your help, I think I know where to start from now |
| 07:59.39 | jm_ | sleon|tuX: maybe it's worth checking if someone else had the same problem |
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| 07:59.41 | SerajewelKS | !tell Lewoco about downgrade |
| 07:59.41 | cat | zdom: yeah |
| 07:59.47 | sleon|tuX | jm_, thx |
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| 08:00.02 | zdom | cat where to get it? |
| 08:00.23 | cat | zdom: i got it on barnes and nobbles |
| 08:00.38 | meri_ | gkrellm - hi *lol* |
| 08:00.41 | Coke | What would be a good web application that works like a Wiki, but instead of people being able to alter the entire page they can only add comments? |
| 08:00.54 | gkrellm | hi everyone |
| 08:00.55 | cld | hello:) i need to pipe dcraw with qiv to view raw images. Is possible to view images from stdin in qiv ? |
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| 08:00.56 | Mardus | Lewoco: You can edit the /etc/apt/sources.list and replace stable and sarge with woody (or an older Debian release name). If you want a very specific version, you could google for its .deb package. You might then try to install it with dpkg and see if there are any unment dependencies and then search the debian repositories for these dependencies (I like to use synaptic for that). |
| 08:00.58 | zdom | cat how is the quality of it? |
| 08:01.03 | cat | really nice |
| 08:01.04 | Coke | Like commentable documentation web applications. |
| 08:01.26 | cat | i want to have a debian collection of books, |
| 08:01.27 | cat | and stuff |
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| 08:01.57 | alistair | Anybodu know any P2P Programs for Linux apart from LimeWire? |
| 08:02.08 | cat | alistair: giftcurs |
| 08:02.13 | cat | gtk-gnutella |
| 08:02.15 | alistair | Any good? |
| 08:02.17 | cat | amule |
| 08:02.27 | alistair | which do you recomend, amule sounds ok :) |
| 08:02.33 | zOap | noone knows how to use osx apps in linux? is it possible? |
| 08:02.37 | dvshadow | um |
| 08:02.39 | dvshadow | edonkey |
| 08:02.43 | dvshadow | emule |
| 08:02.50 | gkrellm | amule |
| 08:02.53 | dvshadow | yea |
| 08:02.57 | dvshadow | i use bt |
| 08:03.06 | dvshadow | im not that versed in p2p |
| 08:03.08 | alistair | yeah but im really after fast mp3 searching etc |
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| 08:03.19 | dvshadow | i sppose i should get a mix |
| 08:03.30 | dvshadow | but im using my pipeline for bt |
| 08:03.42 | dvshadow | i run off my neighbors oc-10 |
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| 08:04.03 | dvshadow | now heres a question |
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| 08:04.19 | dvshadow | what is a good bt auto tracker download |
| 08:04.45 | dvshadow | like off rss or whatever |
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| 08:05.05 | alistair | Im going brain-dead i think.. How do i install a .tar.gz package? |
| 08:05.09 | aliumalik | which is the most used frontend to mplayer in gnome? |
| 08:05.16 | Arafangion | How do I add a WM/DE to gdm? |
| 08:05.22 | sleon|tuX | jm_, when it happens again i will be concerned |
| 08:05.28 | sleon|tuX | jm_, i will monitor my system though |
| 08:05.35 | zdom | cat i got chinese one |
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| 08:05.46 | doublehp | alistair: tar -xvzf foo && cd foo && ./configure && make && sudo make install |
| 08:05.49 | tarzeau | Arafangion: it's automatic for wdm |
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| 08:05.59 | tarzeau | aliumalik: gmplayer ? |
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| 08:06.11 | doublehp | alistair: how many times did you search for your Foo in alternative non official debian reps ? |
| 08:06.16 | sleon|tuX | is there an easy way to set standart quota for all users on the system? |
| 08:06.24 | sleon|tuX | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.28 | Arafangion | tarzeau, It's apparently not automatic for gdm. |
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| 08:06.33 | tarzeau | Arafangion: yes it is. |
| 08:06.38 | doublehp | Gkrellm: is it possible, wihtout hving to create myself a new dedicated plugin, to view as digit (or bar), one number (counting something), or a word (last word of a log) ? |
| 08:06.40 | Arafangion | tarzeau, Well I can't see it. |
| 08:06.46 | tarzeau | Arafangion: i can. did you restart wdm? |
| 08:06.52 | Arafangion | Arafangion, I restarted gdm. |
| 08:06.57 | tarzeau | Arafangion: gdm is NOT wdm |
| 08:06.59 | tarzeau | gdm is SHIT |
| 08:07.04 | tarzeau | i told wdm does it |
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| 08:07.13 | Arafangion | Ok. |
| 08:08.04 | PerfDave | doublehp: I think you mean "./configure --prefix=/usr/local" up there, to be on the safe side - we don't want alasdair trashing his system ;) |
| 08:08.06 | Mardus | I think I borked the diskette that contained a bootable Linux kernel, from which I booted into the system. I wrote it over with mkboot, which apparently installed lilo on that diskette. I am not sure whether I can run Debian again... |
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| 08:08.59 | doublehp | PerfDave: the default target directories for ll my project is laway usr/local ... do any other project author use an other one ? |
| 08:09.51 | alistair | exit |
| 08:09.59 | doublehp | PerfDave: GCS say to do so ... but the MAKEFILES ought to expect an optional arg t ooverright this, for package maintainers .... but GCS are clear: default dir MUST BE usr/local |
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| 08:10.23 | PerfDave | doublehp: I have no idea what the "GCS" is. But it's always worth specifying it, to be on the safe side. |
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| 08:10.45 | Arafangion | wdm is quite functional |
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| 08:10.48 | Arafangion | Thanks :) |
| 08:11.14 | doublehp | PerfDave: GNU Coding Standards ... see gno.org |
| 08:11.19 | doublehp | PerfDave: GNU Coding Standards ... see gnU.org |
| 08:11.24 | bob2 | haha gnu |
| 08:11.31 | bob2 | which is a shame, because in theory I'm a big fan |
| 08:11.39 | bob2 | but have you actually read their coding standards? |
| 08:11.50 | bob2 | int main(int argc, cahr ** argv) |
| 08:11.53 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:12.01 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.07 | alistair | i did what you said about installin tar.gz, now juts loads of numbers are scrolling xD? |
| 08:12.10 | bob2 | C IS NOT LISP KTHXBYE |
| 08:12.22 | Mardus | Imma take the plunge with that borked diskette and see what happens... |
| 08:12.56 | alistair | bash ./configure no such file or directoru |
| 08:12.59 | PerfDave | doublehp: *shrug* Like I say, it's always worth checking. I wouldn't trust any particular bit of software to follow the GNU coding standards. |
| 08:13.23 | doublehp | bob2: there are two coding standards: the GCS from FSF, and emacs style from RMS .... |
| 08:13.59 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure theyre the same on the indentation topic |
| 08:14.01 | PerfDave | I'm a big fan of RMS, but I don't like his coding style. Or his text editor ;) |
| 08:14.10 | tarzeau | i like indent -kr |
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| 08:14.23 | alistair | natulis has stopped responding |
| 08:14.23 | alistair | >_> |
| 08:14.36 | tarzeau | where could i find libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 ? i couldn't find it on packages.d.o |
| 08:14.42 | doublehp | bob2: way NO. |
| 08:15.14 | bob2 | !+redhat crap |
| 08:15.14 | dpkg | it has been said that redhat crap is 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid), or ** NEW redhat crap! If you're missing libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3, it's in woody's libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package (get it from oldstable/woody archives since it's obsolete) |
| 08:15.23 | bob2 | go redhat, it's your birthday |
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| 08:15.48 | PerfDave | We're gonna spend fucking hours manually resolving half-arsed dependency issues, like it's your birthday |
| 08:15.55 | bob2 | haha |
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| 08:16.02 | alistair | I've extracted this tar.gz, now how do i install it?? |
| 08:16.13 | alistair | ./configure? |
| 08:16.14 | bob2 | you read the instructions |
| 08:16.15 | PerfDave | alistair: Look for a file called "INSTALL" in the extracted directory. |
| 08:16.19 | bob2 | it's utterly source-dependant |
| 08:16.19 | tarzeau | bob2: i installed all of those libstdc++ stuff no success |
| 08:16.21 | doublehp | alistair: try LSF forums ? |
| 08:16.22 | PerfDave | alistair: What *is* this .tar.gz? |
| 08:16.36 | alistair | ah i just ran ./configure, if i get.. |
| 08:16.40 | alistair | unable to tuse zlib |
| 08:16.40 | doublehp | alistair: enter the directory, and read the readme file !!! |
| 08:16.42 | alistair | apt-get zlib? |
| 08:16.48 | tarzeau | it's not for me. but can anyone run netscape 4.8 on sarge? |
| 08:17.02 | cat | don't forget the install alistair |
| 08:17.11 | bob2 | alistair: so, instead of saying useless things like "it doesn't work", tell us the actual error |
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| 08:17.22 | bob2 | alistair: then we can tell you to install the zlib1g-dev package |
| 08:17.27 | bob2 | alistair: what are you compiling, tho? |
| 08:17.28 | spdf | ls |
| 08:17.28 | Mardus | Way too cool: now that I overwrote the diskette with mkboot (got it a LILO boot menu), I don't have to wait 5 (five) minutes until the diskette loads the kernel. |
| 08:17.30 | PerfDave | alistair: You probably want a zlib -dev package - if you're running "./configure --prefix=/usr/local" it's looking for header files and source code to compile against, and those are contained in -dev packages |
| 08:18.02 | tarzeau | !netscape |
| 08:18.03 | PerfDave | alistair: It would *really* be helpful if you told us what this .tar.gz was |
| 08:18.03 | dpkg | methinks netscape is the company making Navigator (web browser) and Communicator (web, mail, news), or now owned by AOL, who are now owned by Time/Warner, or Navigator's MTBF is about 1 minute, what's your mileage?, or ask me about mozilla, or a *major* memory PIG!, or really shitty Always wait for the official Debian package. a bloated piece of shit, or netscape 3 is still the best version, or for masochists, or see netscape font problems, ... |
| 08:18.10 | sep | Mardus, why dont you use grub on the MBR of the harddrive like the rest of the world ? |
| 08:18.23 | alistair | sep: hes special |
| 08:18.32 | tarzeau | the openstep boot loader can also boot linux |
| 08:18.33 | Mardus | sep: Because I've had more than one experience of GRUB borking the whole hard drive MBR. |
| 08:18.45 | bob2 | openstep has a bootloader? |
| 08:18.46 | bob2 | wtf |
| 08:18.47 | tarzeau | Mardus: i wonder how you did that |
| 08:18.54 | tarzeau | bob2: yeah and it's very good, too |
| 08:19.02 | bob2 | you can't break the MBR |
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| 08:19.05 | zimnyx | my aumix works (can change sound volume), but gnome-alsalixer or other gnome alsa applications doesn't work (like there was no soundcard). what can be a reason? (i got my ALSA snd driver compiled into kernel) |
| 08:19.06 | alistair | anybody know what wxWidgets are? |
| 08:19.06 | bob2 | it's just a block of bytes |
| 08:19.12 | bob2 | if it's trashed, install it again |
| 08:19.13 | bob2 | all good |
| 08:19.16 | sep | Mardus, hmm i'v only had that happen when i did something stupid myself (tm) can't complain about grub if im beeing an idiot myself |
| 08:19.17 | tarzeau | alistair: nothing anyone would want |
| 08:19.26 | bob2 | alistair: what on earth are you compiling? |
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| 08:19.31 | PerfDave | alistair: wxWidgets is a cross-platform Linux/Windows graphical toolkit, like Qt, GTK or whatever. Used to be called wxWindows. |
| 08:19.34 | sep | Mardus, and for that i have a floppy with grub on to boot in emergencies |
| 08:19.36 | alistair | im compiling aMule, p2p program |
| 08:19.39 | Mardus | tarzeau: Well, back then it was a very shirty distro released in 1999/2000. |
| 08:19.46 | Mardus | tarzeau: shitty |
| 08:19.51 | bob2 | alistair: amule is in Debian already |
| 08:19.59 | alistair | EH |
| 08:19.59 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 08:20.01 | PerfDave | alistair: Why are you compiling it instead of using the Debian packages? |
| 08:20.07 | Kayte | I try and start firefox in terminal...and get this error...(firefox-bin:2689): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 08:20.08 | alistair | can alien do that? |
| 08:20.10 | poonj | is ubantu "better" than debian linux? |
| 08:20.18 | PerfDave | poonj: No |
| 08:20.20 | bob2 | alistair: no, stop wasting time |
| 08:20.22 | cat | poonj: same crap |
| 08:20.26 | bob2 | alistair: amule is in Debian. install it already. |
| 08:20.31 | bob2 | poonj: no, it's different |
| 08:20.35 | PerfDave | alistair: alien is used to convert rpms to .debs, and it works very badly. |
| 08:20.40 | sep | Kayte, have you su 'd to a different user ? |
| 08:20.43 | Mardus | Well, the thing is that I've evolved from waiting five minutes (I usually spent that time brushing my teeth) to just one minute or so. |
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| 08:20.51 | poonj | okay.. |
| 08:20.59 | Kayte | nope |
| 08:21.11 | alistair | well, how can i conver this .tar.gz to deb? |
| 08:21.28 | Mardus | Question: Why dmesg says this at the top: "Linux version 2.4.18-bf2.4 (root@zombie) -- I am incredulous as to why root@zombie is there and what does it mean... |
| 08:21.40 | PerfDave | alistair: You don't want to convert a .tar.gz to a .deb. You want to use the Debian-provided amule package. |
| 08:21.49 | sep | Kayte, then i dont know, that's the error you get when you try to start firefox as a user different from the one owning the display |
| 08:21.50 | alistair | i cant apt-get it |
| 08:21.57 | Kayte | if i run as root, or even as Katie, it still comes up with the same error |
| 08:21.58 | Mardus | I also forgot to end the quote. |
| 08:22.13 | sep | Kayte, you must run it as the person that started the X session |
| 08:22.23 | Kayte | yep |
| 08:22.24 | Kayte | i tried |
| 08:22.30 | PerfDave | alistair: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 08:22.32 | sep | Kayte, if you want to run it as someone else, you can install and run sux |
| 08:22.40 | bob2 | alistair: if you can't apt-get it, it's because apt is misconfigured. fix that. |
| 08:22.42 | alistair | how do i find out? |
| 08:22.50 | PerfDave | alistair: What did you install? |
| 08:22.58 | PerfDave | bob2: It's also because amule isn't in sarge or etch. |
| 08:23.09 | alistair | APt-get is normally fine, i dont know why it cant get aMule |
| 08:23.11 | bob2 | ah |
| 08:23.20 | lllllll1 | my memory usage is at 800Megs. I killed postgres and my memory usage is still at around 800 on a server without anything "big" running amok |
| 08:23.21 | Kayte | i tried to go "apt-get remove mozilla-firefox" |
| 08:23.28 | sep | alistair, you have non-free and contrib sources ? |
| 08:23.35 | Kayte | and then reinstall it, "apt-get install _" but nothing changed, I still got the same error |
| 08:23.36 | alistair | i have the default |
| 08:23.44 | lllllll1 | how do I find out what's eating up the memory and clean it up? I don't see much in op |
| 08:23.46 | lllllll1 | *Top |
| 08:23.46 | alistair | stable |
| 08:24.02 | PerfDave | sep: This is nothing to do with non-free or contrib. |
| 08:24.14 | Kayte | but before, I was getting an error like this ... Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 08:24.14 | Kayte | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 08:24.14 | Kayte | (firefox-bin:2654): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 08:24.14 | Kayte | , but now im just getting the cannot open display error |
| 08:24.15 | sep | Kayte, just for a test try to run xedit or xeyes or something |
| 08:24.15 | shingouz | Mardus: it means that your computers name is "zombie" and that use "root" is the one who asked for the uname. you really should upgrade your kernel from the installer kernel right now |
| 08:24.33 | PerfDave | alistair: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 08:24.42 | PerfDave | alistair: /msg dpkg backports |
| 08:24.45 | Kayte | nope, "cannot open display" |
| 08:24.47 | Mardus | shingouz: Heip. Well, I wrote a vanilla kernel there on the diskette, with mkboot. |
| 08:24.47 | Kayte | on xedit4 |
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| 08:25.15 | PerfDave | alistair: The easiest way to do what you're trying to achieve is to grab the Debian package from sid and compile it on stable, or check backports.org to see if someone's done it for you. |
| 08:25.17 | alistair | ah, i need to put some lines into sources |
| 08:25.28 | shingouz | Mardus: what diskette are you talking about? |
| 08:25.34 | sep | Kayte, then your firefox is obviously not the issue, what does echo $DISPLAY say ? |
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| 08:25.43 | sep | Kayte, xedit4 ? what version debian are you running ? |
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| 08:25.49 | Kayte | i didn't mean the 4 |
| 08:25.57 | PerfDave | Hmm, there's an *old* version of amule on backports.org for Woody ;0 |
| 08:26.28 | Kayte | erm, that doesnt do anything sep, just comes up with a blank line :\ |
| 08:26.46 | Mardus | shingouz: Well, it's the same diskette I waited five minutes for to load the kernel so that the system could start. Now I have to wait a minute or so... dmesg says "Linux version 2.4.18-bf2.4 (root@zombie) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease[--that concernes me] #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002" |
| 08:27.10 | Kayte | I mean firefox was working fine yesterday |
| 08:27.12 | Mardus | shingouz: I missed two parentheses. |
| 08:27.14 | shingouz | Mardus: what exactly are you trying to do? install Woody? |
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| 08:27.42 | Mardus | shingouz: I have Woody. Rather, a Woody-Sarge hybrid, as I changed sources from woody to stable and updated some software. |
| 08:28.08 | sep | Kayte, the DISPLAY variable should contain :0.0 (normaly) |
| 08:28.17 | PerfDave | Mardus: Why don't you just follow the instructions in the Sarge installation manual and dist-upgrade? |
| 08:28.26 | shingouz | Mardus: you are not getting a "hybrid" you are on sarge now if you did the dist-upgrade |
| 08:28.26 | doublehp | shingouz: why not potatoe ? |
| 08:28.43 | Mardus | PerfDave: On a Pentium 120MHz computer with 32Mb of RAM? I have X working there and I need graphical programs, too. |
| 08:28.55 | nkuttler | !potatoe |
| 08:28.55 | dpkg | IT'S POTATO DAMMIT!! P-O-T-A-T-O!!, or please learn to spell better than Dan Quayle |
| 08:28.58 | PerfDave | Mardus: What's wrong with running Sarge on a P120? I do,. |
| 08:29.09 | shingouz | Mardus: i have sid on a 486. with X. |
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| 08:29.11 | Kayte | Mistress:/# echo $DISPLAY |
| 08:29.12 | Kayte | Mistress:/# |
| 08:29.13 | Mardus | shingouz: I am not on sarge, I am on woody. |
| 08:29.29 | Kayte | am I doing something wrong? I only installed this about 15 hours ago, so you'll have to forgive my ignorance :( |
| 08:29.44 | shingouz | Mardus: you are on sarge now. you have the sources on stable and you upgraded the install. you are on sarge |
| 08:29.47 | Mardus | shingouz: I need gaim and Netscape 4.x and a few other things to work simultaneously. I'm afraid sarge stuff is a memory hog. |
| 08:29.52 | gentoothreefour | hi amd64 support for debian is there ibe |
| 08:30.04 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 08:30.09 | Inquisitor | my debian tells me it cannot load libperl.so.5.6 but I'm using perl 5.8, should make a link manually ? |
| 08:30.09 | meri_ | !foo |
| 08:30.10 | dpkg | foo is, like, like smurf |
| 08:30.28 | Mardus | shingouz: I didn't do a dist-upgrade and didn't update all packages that were upgradable from stable. |
| 08:30.32 | PerfDave | Inquisitor: Which version of Debian have you installed, what are you trying to do that gives you that error? |
| 08:30.35 | shingouz | Mardus: b/s. netscrape sucks in anycase. galeon or epiphany are pretty light, gaim is there too |
| 08:30.47 | shingouz | Mardus: you are on sarge now. period |
| 08:30.52 | alistair | whats the command to run ghextris |
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| 08:31.07 | Mardus | shingouz: Pentium 120, 32MHz is not good for galeon or epiphany. I have dillo instead and I use Netscape4 for some login services. |
| 08:31.10 | Inquisitor | I use sarge and am trying to start mcl (mud client) that is using a plugin called perl.so |
| 08:31.14 | meri_ | !smurf |
| 08:31.14 | dpkg | from memory, smurf is a little blue annoying thing. Especially when one has a hangover and they are singing. or an annoying network attack or check http://www.netscan.org for good smurf info, or a good weapon to use against the RIAA |
| 08:31.28 | Mardus | shingouz: How can I tell whether I'm on sarge or woody? |
| 08:31.31 | PerfDave | Inquisitor: Where did you get this "mcl" from? |
| 08:31.42 | nkuttler | Mardus: are there any reasons you can't install netscape on sarge? |
| 08:31.44 | Inquisitor | http://www.andreasen.org/mcl/ |
| 08:31.57 | Mardus | nkuttler: No, I'm afraid of sarge taking more RAM than woody. |
| 08:32.10 | Inquisitor | it's GPL but it isn't in deb |
| 08:32.15 | shingouz | Mardus: stop whining about how sarge is too bloated for a P1-120. i am probably the only one on the channel with 486 class computers runnning Sid. and if you have the sources.list on stable you are on sarge |
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| 08:32.42 | Mardus | shingouz: I have the sources list on stable, I updated synaptic and got 80Mb's worth of new packages with that. |
| 08:32.47 | nkuttler | Mardus: why? run a 2.4 kernel, X, lightweight windowmanager, done |
| 08:32.59 | nkuttler | Mardus: you can even turn off services you don't need |
| 08:33.01 | Mardus | nkuttler: I am running a 2.4 kernel, X and twm. |
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| 08:33.21 | Mardus | nkuttler: I haven't learned yet how to turn off services I don't need. |
| 08:33.30 | nkuttler | Mardus: just do the same thing in sarge |
| 08:33.31 | shingouz | Mardus: you are on sarge. and when it comes to kernels, 2.6 runs very nice on even smaller systems than you have |
| 08:33.50 | meri_ | !ctcp |
| 08:33.50 | dpkg | [ctcp] the Client To Client Protocol, part of IRC (version, ping, etc.) |
| 08:34.15 | Mardus | shingouz: Well, I the 2.4 i686 kernel loaded very slowly back then from a diskette. And I haven't performed dist-upgrade btw. |
| 08:34.22 | Mardus | shingouz: -I |
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| 08:34.36 | shingouz | Mardus: of course it loaded slowly. you have a 586, not a 686 there |
| 08:35.15 | Mardus | shingouz: Well, yea... Actually, I just specified that mkboot write a vanilla kernel. |
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| 08:35.29 | Mardus | shingouz: Not just, but just before logging into here and taking the plunge. |
| 08:35.39 | dimir | Morning. |
| 08:35.55 | zdom | morning |
| 08:36.04 | PerfDave | Inquisitor: I think your easiest option is to download the mcl source and compile it yourself against Sarge's libraries. |
| 08:36.06 | shingouz | Mardus: just trust me on this one. you are on sarge and a 2.6 is good for pentiums |
| 08:36.22 | Inquisitor | I'll try that PerfDave |
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| 08:36.36 | PerfDave | Inquisitor: While you're at it, /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 08:36.37 | Mardus | shingouz: Yes, but is there a comman that can tell whether I'm on sarge? |
| 08:36.43 | Mardus | shingouz: * command |
| 08:36.58 | PerfDave | Mardus: What do you mean by "on sarge"? |
| 08:37.06 | gentoothreefour | whats the difference between Xfree and Xorg |
| 08:37.11 | Mardus | PerfDave: If what I have is sarge or not. |
| 08:37.13 | shingouz | Mardus: look at your sources.list. if it says "stable" or "sarge" you are on sarge |
| 08:37.16 | gentoothreefour | which one is really free |
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| 08:37.54 | bob2 | gentoothreefour: xfree86 is the old version, which is now under a non-free license |
| 08:37.55 | meri_ | !sftp |
| 08:37.56 | dpkg | from memory, sftp is a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. "apt-get install ssh". |
| 08:38.02 | bob2 | x.org is the only one anyone useful uses |
| 08:38.06 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: XFree86 up to (but not including) 4.4 is Free Software according to the FSF. XOrg is also Free Software. |
| 08:38.15 | Mardus | shingouz: I had edited the sources.list by hand and thus this information is not reliable. First, it's the same woody system I installed last autumn. Now that when sarge was released, I edited the apt sources.list and set it to woody. Then later stable just to upgrade some packages. |
| 08:38.27 | gentoothreefour | sarge supports xorg? |
| 08:38.28 | shingouz | meri_: just /msg dpkg instead of what you are doing |
| 08:38.34 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: XOrg is a fork of the last Free version of XFree86. Debian's XFree86 is the last Free version of XFree86 plus lots of drivers backported from XOrg |
| 08:38.58 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: Sarge has XFree86, but it's still Free software (otherwise it couldn't be in Debian - "/msg dpkg dfsg") |
| 08:39.18 | Mardus | gentoothreefour: If you really want Xorg, get it from http://backports.org , for example. Sarge has XFree86 4.3. |
| 08:39.19 | shingouz | Mardus: ok, if i had the same logic than you have, this system would be running Slink. with dual P1-133 on a 2.6.11 |
| 08:39.19 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: There are XOrg packages for Sarge, but they're not official and don't have security support. |
| 08:39.28 | gentoothreefour | PerfDave: xorg on sarge is that possible |
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| 08:39.36 | Mardus | shingouz: I don't have slink at all. |
| 08:39.50 | imango | Hi everyone.....I tried to Install/Remove Packages but Synaptic Package Manager send an a message..."you have one brocken package on your system"...when I try to fix...it comes up with something like ...."no space on device...failed to apply all changes"..than I ckecked the disk space usage on my system...I found that the disk usage on my root '/' partition is %100, I don't know wich file to remove to free some space....by the way I am running debian 3.1...p |
| 08:39.51 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: It's possible, but it's undesirable unless you have a good reason. Sarge's XFree86 is perfectly good. |
| 08:40.04 | Mardus | shingouz: And demsg doesn't say whether there's woody or sarge written for the system. |
| 08:40.09 | gentoothreefour | PerfDave: what do you mean security support |
| 08:40.24 | fatal_ | imango: try apt-get clean to start with. |
| 08:40.27 | shingouz | Mardus: you are on sarge. sarge is stable. sarge. get it? _sarge_ |
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| 08:40.49 | gentoothreefour | PerfDave: can i compile stuff in debian |
| 08:40.52 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: I mean http://security.debian.org/ - the Debian Security Team provide support for all packages in the main Debian repositories. The XOrg packages for Sarge are third-party packages, not in the main Debian repositories, so they don't get support from the Debian Security Team. |
| 08:40.59 | gentoothreefour | is it hard to make apt-packages |
| 08:41.11 | Mardus | shingouz: I do get it, but I don't believe I have sarge. I need something inside the system (and not sources.list) to convince me of that. |
| 08:41.12 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: Yes you can. You can compile Debian packages from source, or you can compile from upstream sources in /usr/local |
| 08:41.18 | shingouz | Mardus: my sources.list point to unstable and that makes me run sid. ok, i installed this thing as slink way back when and i have never reinstalled |
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| 08:41.41 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: It's not hard to make a Debian package. It's harder to make one which complies with the Debian standards and can be included in the Debian repositories. |
| 08:42.03 | Mardus | shingouz: The fact that I only got things from stable, doesn't mean all things I have are from stable (what is now sarge). Most stuff I have is still woody stuff. |
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| 08:42.11 | shingouz | Mardus: if your sources.list is like it is now and you claim you are on woody when you ask for help, you will get misleading answers. you are on sarge |
| 08:42.35 | doublehp | Gkrellm: is it possible, wihtout hving to create myself a new dedicated plugin, to view as digit (or bar), one number (counting something), or a word (last word of a log) ? |
| 08:42.44 | Mardus | shingouz: My sources.list is on woody now. If I want it, I can set it to stable (but not sarge). |
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| 08:43.04 | PerfDave | Mardus: If you set it to "stable" you will get packages from the current stable releas, which is Sarge. |
| 08:43.06 | Mardus | shingouz: "but not sarge" -- because I don't want sarge, I just want stable. |
| 08:43.12 | gentoothreefour | PerfDave: where can i start doing it |
| 08:43.18 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: Start doing what, sorry? |
| 08:43.31 | Mardus | PerfDave: I know, but I don't upgrade all the packages that I have, which leaves most of them woody and not sarge. |
| 08:43.32 | gentoothreefour | PerfDave: read about compiling debian packages |
| 08:43.42 | gentoothreefour | PerfDave: read about compiling debian packages for personal use |
| 08:43.45 | PerfDave | Mardus: But Sarge is stable. |
| 08:43.46 | shingouz | Mardus: stable = sarge. and if you switch between those two you will have a broken system very soon. keep it on woody or keep it on sarge (=stable) but do not bounce back and forth |
| 08:43.46 | meri_ | !gentoo |
| 08:43.46 | dpkg | [gentoo] a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385, or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 08:44.00 | shingouz | Mardus: ffs, sarge is stable now |
| 08:44.05 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: If you want to read about compiling packages from Debian sources, look at the APT HOWTO, chapter 5 IIRC. |
| 08:44.12 | Mardus | PerfDave: I know sarge is stable. |
| 08:44.29 | alistair | hey can some people just go through some names of p2p clients for linux? |
| 08:44.43 | dimir | amule |
| 08:44.46 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: If you want to look at compiling upstream sources into new Debian packages, look at the Debian Developer's Reference, or the Debian New Maintainer's Guide |
| 08:44.53 | alistair | more ;) |
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| 08:45.06 | gentoothreefour | PerfDave: why name it sarge |
| 08:45.08 | Mardus | shingouz: I am not bouncing back and forth. First of all, I changed the sources.list to sarge and then made several updates, which then upgraded several packages. |
| 08:45.09 | gentoothreefour | its ugly name |
| 08:45.13 | alistair | hah |
| 08:45.21 | Mardus | gentoothreefour: sarge is after a toy character from "Toy Story" |
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| 08:45.24 | gentoothreefour | and woody like woody |
| 08:45.27 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: It comes from Toy Story. All Debian releases are named after Toy Story characters. |
| 08:45.30 | gentoothreefour | like freakin wiener |
| 08:45.38 | gentoothreefour | can i name it weiner? |
| 08:45.40 | alistair | perfdave, lmao |
| 08:45.44 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: However, it's very helpful to be familiar with Debian before attempting either of these things. Most of the time in Debian there's no need or advantage to compiling your own packages. |
| 08:46.18 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: I'm sure you can call it whatever you want. I wouldn't expect people to give you much assistance on #debian if you start asking for help with your weiner, however. |
| 08:46.19 | gentoothreefour | hmm i didnt get amd64 for not to compile anything |
| 08:46.28 | bob2 | good god |
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| 08:46.38 | bob2 | please tell me you're trolling |
| 08:46.45 | bob2 | I fear for humanity's survival if you're not |
| 08:46.53 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: There's no point compiling most things. Debian will provide you with amd64-optimised binary packages. |
| 08:47.00 | gentoothreefour | i just dont get why weird names for distro |
| 08:47.11 | gentoothreefour | ubuntu i get its cool name and unique |
| 08:47.19 | gentoothreefour | sarge woody ds |
| 08:47.25 | gentoothreefour | thats something else |
| 08:47.29 | Coke | Debian comes from Debbie and Ian. |
| 08:47.32 | mwilson | gentoothreefour: Uh, Ubuntu has odder names. |
| 08:47.36 | shingouz | gentoothreefour: i just dont get it why everything has to be compiled from source. now stop trolling please |
| 08:47.44 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: They're not names for distros, they're names for releases. Every release has a codename during development, and is given a version number on release. |
| 08:47.59 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: I don't think "Woody" and "Sarge" are any worse than "Hoary Hedgehog" or "Breezy Badger" :) |
| 08:48.14 | dimir | !greenhouse |
| 08:48.14 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 08:48.16 | dimir | :-P |
| 08:48.21 | MrWeet | Sarage is cooler then Chicago though ;) |
| 08:48.29 | PerfDave | Debian Vista! |
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| 08:48.37 | alistair | Anybody know a good site for GNome Themes? |
| 08:48.37 | gentoothreefour | sarge woody ds |
| 08:48.41 | gentoothreefour | sarge woody dicks |
| 08:48.43 | gentoothreefour | oops |
| 08:48.47 | gentoothreefour | sarge woody debian |
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| 08:48.56 | mwilson | alistair: There's a reason you don't look at gnome-look.org, right? |
| 08:49.08 | dimir | :-) |
| 08:49.09 | Mardus | gentoothreefour: In fact, "Hoary Hedgehog" is more difficult to pronounce and spell than "debian", "woody", "sarge" |
| 08:49.16 | Mardus | bob2: You banned gentoothreefour? |
| 08:49.16 | PerfDave | mwilson: Yeah, it's full of Gnome screenshots, it gives me the screaming heebie-jeebies ;) |
| 08:49.17 | dimir | make him shut up :-) |
| 08:49.34 | dimir | s/make/made |
| 08:49.40 | bob2 | I made him/her unable to speak in the channel |
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| 08:49.42 | mwilson | PerfDave: He's the one who thinks there's something called "Gnome themes", not you. :) |
| 08:49.47 | Mardus | bob2: mhmh |
| 08:49.48 | bob2 | since it appears to not be contributing anything useful |
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| 08:50.00 | Kayte | Everything I try and do, firefox, xedit |
| 08:50.09 | Kayte | "cannot open display" please help me someone |
| 08:50.21 | dimir | heyhey Mardus, tervist, kohe tuli tuttav mhmh |
| 08:50.25 | dimir | oops |
| 08:50.26 | alistair | what am i after, GTK1.x themes or 2.x |
| 08:50.27 | dimir | :-P |
| 08:50.29 | mwilson | Kayte: X *does* have to be running before you can use an X applications. |
| 08:50.36 | Mardus | dimir: heip-heip. Kes ise oled? |
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| 08:51.04 | Kayte | oh |
| 08:51.08 | Kayte | so, how do i start x |
| 08:51.12 | alistair | startx |
| 08:51.14 | bob2 | startx, surprisingly |
| 08:51.25 | dimir | Mardus: sorry, have to speak English. :-) I come from Tallinn, but now living in Riga for 3 month. |
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| 08:51.37 | alistair | how do i find out what GTK im running? |
| 08:51.43 | Kayte | *gets all confused* |
| 08:51.46 | dimir | Mardus: you from Tallinn? |
| 08:51.49 | PerfDave | Kayte: Do you know what X is? |
| 08:51.52 | Mardus | dimir: Mhmh |
| 08:51.58 | dimir | heh |
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| 08:52.00 | Kayte | Fatal server error: |
| 08:52.00 | Kayte | Server is already active for display 0 |
| 08:52.00 | Kayte | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.00 | Kayte | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:52.12 | dimir | Mardus: how is it going in Tallinn? |
| 08:52.16 | alistair | how do i find out what GTK im running? |
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| 08:52.24 | bob2 | alistair: you could be running both |
| 08:52.30 | Kayte | oh, oops |
| 08:52.33 | Mardus | dimir: Fine. It might start raining. |
| 08:52.34 | bob2 | alistair: what program are you trying to alter the appearance of? |
| 08:52.39 | alistair | GNome |
| 08:52.53 | dimir | alistair: dpkg -l 'libgtk*' |
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| 08:53.09 | sleon|tuX | i have set a groupqouta. when users do : qouta -g he does not see it, but sysadmin can see it with repqouta -guvsia why? |
| 08:53.12 | imango | fatal_: I did it , there was no output....I run apt-get to fix the brocken link but the error now is defferent "can not find ftp://.."...however I do not have a full access to the internet, is there a way to test it if it has worked.... |
| 08:53.25 | alistair | no packages found matching libgtk.. bob2 |
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| 08:53.32 | sleon|tuX | does it need some time to get updated? |
| 08:53.35 | dpblnt | which deb package provides pdf_new() for php? |
| 08:53.42 | dimir | Mardus: I see. The morning in Riga was pretty hot. Now the sun is kind of gone too. :-) |
| 08:53.45 | bob2 | alistair: I don't know what you're talking about |
| 08:53.49 | bob2 | alistair: what are you trying to do? |
| 08:53.59 | alistair | dpkg -l libtk |
| 08:54.00 | dpkg | No packages found matching libtk |
| 08:54.00 | bob2 | sleon|tuX: did they log out yet? |
| 08:54.06 | bob2 | alistair: a) typo, b) ignore that |
| 08:54.10 | dimir | alistair: dpkg -l 'libgtk*' |
| 08:54.10 | sleon|tuX | bob2, no |
| 08:54.12 | Mardus | dimir: The weather outlook promised warm weather throughout the four days... |
| 08:54.13 | dimir | damn |
| 08:54.14 | sleon|tuX | bob2, do i need to log out? |
| 08:54.25 | sleon|tuX | bob2, do i need to run checkquota too? |
| 08:54.35 | alistair | Bob2, it says. No packages found matching libgtk |
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| 08:54.49 | bob2 | sleon|tuX: I don't know, try it |
| 08:54.55 | bob2 | alistair: that's not a useful test of anything |
| 08:54.56 | DarkRaika | hello |
| 08:54.58 | bob2 | alistair: what are you trying to do? |
| 08:55.01 | sleon|tuX | bob2, loged in out no effect |
| 08:55.05 | alistair | find out which version of GTK i am running |
| 08:55.17 | sleon|tuX | bob2, it is not shown |
| 08:55.26 | sleon|tuX | bob2, but it is there .. |
| 08:55.29 | bob2 | alistair: you can't find that using dpkg |
| 08:55.34 | MrWeet | !sarge |
| 08:55.34 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 08:55.35 | sleon|tuX | bob2, and is triggered when user exceeds it ... |
| 08:55.37 | bob2 | alistair: what exactly are you trying to, originally? |
| 08:55.40 | bob2 | sleon|tuX: ok |
| 08:55.46 | bob2 | alistair: theme some application, I assume |
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| 08:55.58 | alistair | Im trying to install a GTK theme but there are GTK 1.x and 2.x so i need to find out my version |
| 08:56.26 | meri_ | so find out! |
| 08:56.34 | alistair | I don't know how |
| 08:57.24 | bob2 | alistair: no, you don't |
| 08:57.29 | bob2 | you need to answer my question |
| 08:57.36 | bob2 | what applications do you care about? |
| 08:57.40 | bob2 | what version of Debian are yo urunning? |
| 08:57.41 | bob2 | etc |
| 08:57.45 | mwilson | bob2: He claimed to want to theme Gnome. |
| 08:57.47 | bob2 | you almost certainly have both installed |
| 08:57.51 | bob2 | gnome what? |
| 08:57.55 | alistair | ah ok |
| 08:58.01 | mwilson | The whole environment, I think. |
| 08:58.02 | alistair | i have gnome and im planning on installing a theme on it |
| 08:58.04 | bob2 | 1? 2? |
| 08:58.29 | meri_ | foolish games |
| 08:58.30 | mwilson | No doubt it's Gnome 2.x... you don't expect a cluebie to be running Gnome 1.x |
| 08:59.02 | alistair | hm |
| 08:59.04 | bob2 | so, you want the gtk 2 theme |
| 08:59.14 | alistair | ah ok, thanks bob2 |
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| 08:59.25 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@c-24-6-53-95.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] by bob2 |
| 08:59.32 | bob2 | gentoothreefour: now stop whinging |
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| 09:00.54 | mwilson | And the channel becomes quiet... |
| 09:01.02 | alistair | damngit, i cant hear my music.. it works normally |
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| 09:01.52 | alistair | gr |
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| 09:01.59 | alistair | what are the main problems for not been able to hear audio |
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| 09:02.35 | meri_ | audio is the main problem of alistair |
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| 09:02.56 | meri_ | ah away |
| 09:03.05 | Mardus | äHow to set the locale? |
| 09:03.07 | Mardus | djf |
| 09:03.10 | Mardus | Sorry. |
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| 09:03.30 | fatal_ | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:03.35 | weefle | greetings |
| 09:03.37 | Mardus | fatal_: thanks |
| 09:03.38 | shingouz | Mardus: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 09:03.59 | Malith | so can Debian actually be installed, or just used as a live-cd? |
| 09:04.11 | *** mode/#debian [+l 737] by debhelper |
| 09:04.15 | initiate | yes it can be installed |
| 09:04.18 | weefle | Does anybody know how to get the sound to work on an ASUS a7v600-x mainboard? |
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| 09:04.26 | shingouz | Malith: there is no livecd for debian |
| 09:04.36 | mwilson | Malith: Debian does not have a live CD. |
| 09:04.39 | initiate | weefle, install alsaplayer ? |
| 09:04.42 | jethro | hello |
| 09:04.45 | mwilson | augh |
| 09:04.47 | weefle | initiate: i tried. |
| 09:04.49 | initiate | does debian recognize your sound card ? |
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| 09:04.53 | alistair | gah |
| 09:04.55 | weefle | initiate: yes |
| 09:04.57 | alistair | what are the main problems for no sound! |
| 09:04.58 | Malith | those liars! heh, everyone I've asked told me Debian was a Live-CD |
| 09:05.21 | shingouz | Malith: shows how much they know |
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| 09:05.30 | initiate | main problems for sound - codecs i suppose |
| 09:05.33 | alistair | this audio steaming normally works |
| 09:05.34 | Malith | i know :-/ |
| 09:05.39 | initiate | at least in windows,that's the main problem |
| 09:05.41 | alistair | cant be because yesterday it worked with the song im playing |
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| 09:05.58 | mwilson | initiate: Where do you get this stuff? |
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| 09:06.15 | initiate | i think the alsaplayer comes with codecs |
| 09:06.22 | meri_ | alistair: sound is not debian! |
| 09:06.44 | shingouz | meri_: what is it you are trying to do? |
| 09:06.46 | orion666 | hi, does anyone know any opensource project designed to manage client SSL certificates? aka ssl cetificate management system? |
| 09:06.57 | alistair | how can i get alsaplayer |
| 09:06.59 | mwilson | Gods... must... ignore... stupid... person... |
| 09:07.10 | alistair | meri_, me = music = relax :) k? |
| 09:07.18 | shingouz | mwilson: maybe you should put them on /ignore too ;) |
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| 09:08.20 | mwilson | shingouz: I'd love to have an epic script that, say, after they said two stupid things, it'd automagically do it. |
| 09:08.38 | gentoothreefour | lol sorry about sarge woody dick to debian lovers |
| 09:08.50 | weefle | I have tried alsa, but so far there is no sound (yes, i unmuted/raised volume on everything) |
| 09:08.57 | gentoothreefour | where does the inverted g logo originated from |
| 09:09.03 | gentoothreefour | where u guys get it |
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| 09:09.27 | Malith | anyone try linux from scratch? looks pretty cool, to make your own distro and all. |
| 09:09.29 | gentoothreefour | i really wanna use xfree instead of xorg fork them or whatever i think the devs are still the same |
| 09:09.33 | meri_ | alistair: me aussi - |
| 09:09.43 | gentoothreefour | but its got a better composite and opengl support |
| 09:09.50 | mwilson | Malith: I have better things to do, like sleep. |
| 09:10.18 | Malith | mrwilson: no interest in making your own distro? |
| 09:10.24 | alistair | what exactly is alsa? |
| 09:10.44 | mwilson | Malith: Gods, no. Why in the world would I want to waste my time doing that? |
| 09:10.50 | gentoothreefour | anyone |
| 09:10.56 | gentoothreefour | alistair: can you read me |
| 09:11.04 | alistair | yes |
| 09:11.10 | meri_ | advanced linux sound achitecture - |
| 09:11.20 | gentoothreefour | where does the debian logo cam from |
| 09:11.25 | jnc | Malith: been there, done that, heated my room with a pentium 60 overclocked to 153mhz for a winter |
| 09:11.30 | alistair | apt-get install says i have it |
| 09:11.43 | Malith | jnc: haha |
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| 09:12.07 | jnc | Malith: LFS is good for ya if you want intimate knowlege of how a GNU/Linux box functions |
| 09:12.19 | alistair | CD Player works, others give me bs. |
| 09:12.22 | jnc | otherwise i call it a time hole |
| 09:12.30 | alistair | ;D |
| 09:12.39 | Malith | jnc: i'm the kind of person that, unless I have someone helpng me, I have no interest in projects ;) |
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| 09:12.43 | meri_ | known as alsa - |
| 09:12.52 | PerfDave | Malith: #lfs may help you ;) |
| 09:12.58 | jnc | Malith: may god help you |
| 09:13.10 | Malith | jnc: lol |
| 09:13.14 | Malith | PerfDave: thanks |
| 09:13.16 | gentoothreefour | where does the debian logo cam from |
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| 09:13.20 | shingouz | mwilson: such a script would be awesome. especially if it would be able to +b everyone who shows up on the channel and goes "hi" or "hello" immediately. it should preform a kill when someone appends "anyone?" to hist question |
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| 09:13.54 | jnc | i vote that shingouz be eliminated on the basis of thinking |
| 09:14.10 | shingouz | jnc: cogito, ergo sum |
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| 09:14.11 | jnc | futher thoughts should result in torture with long pointy foam noodles |
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| 09:14.21 | gentoothreefour | debain rellay cam from debbie and ian? |
| 09:14.25 | meri_ | alistair: what others? |
| 09:14.27 | gentoothreefour | debian |
| 09:14.36 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 09:14.39 | jnc | shingouz: jupiter te servet. legere hoc! |
| 09:14.43 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html |
| 09:15.03 | alistair | i want to make mp3s open with CD Player so they will play.. how can i do that? i right clicked on an mp3 and clicked open with but it doesn't show CD Player and its not in the bin folder |
| 09:15.41 | Malith | i have a pentium 4 oc'd from 2.8Ghz to 3.4Ghz on a stock fan that runs at 10CFM. Not exactly the best option, especially for a prescott, but its stable, except for games, which I have to bring down the clock to 3.2 O_o |
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| 09:16.18 | jnc | Malith: i took off the stupid heatsink, it got in the way |
| 09:16.30 | jnc | was fun to hear snow sizzle on the proc |
| 09:16.32 | PerfDave | Fucking hell, is it really three years since Twente's NOC burned down? |
| 09:16.45 | meri_ | alistair: you lost the known of your fingers - yust try PLAY! |
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| 09:17.17 | alistair | gives me some bs, only CD Player app works |
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| 09:17.51 | imang1 | Hi...my root partition "/" if full how & what can I remove to free some space...Iam using debian 3.1 by the way...thanks |
| 09:17.51 | DarkRaika | I have a question about Debian |
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| 09:18.19 | PerfDave | DarkRaika: Then ask it :) |
| 09:18.27 | jnc | imang1: 'apt-get clean' |
| 09:18.33 | mwilson | DarkRaika: And will you be asking it at some point? |
| 09:18.36 | shingouz | DarkRaika: dobermann |
| 09:18.37 | DarkRaika | I thought Debian was just a Linux Distro, but I was told today that Debian is specifically a Linux Server OS |
| 09:18.40 | meri_ | no - try by yourselve - and kid your parents if you have some |
| 09:18.41 | DarkRaika | is this true? |
| 09:18.46 | jnc | DarkRaika: could be |
| 09:18.51 | jnc | not particularly though |
| 09:18.58 | jnc | it depends on how you set it up |
| 09:18.59 | shingouz | DarkRaika: debian is what you want it to be |
| 09:19.10 | mwilson | Define "linux server OS". |
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| 09:19.23 | DarkRaika | yeah thats what I thought |
| 09:19.31 | jnc | DarkRaika: Debian has traditionally been a pain in the ass to set up as a nice grandma-friendly Desktop OS |
| 09:19.35 | DarkRaika | when you instal it its just a Client |
| 09:19.38 | imang1 | jnc: I tried apt-get clean but the partition is still full..!! |
| 09:19.42 | jnc | so... i guess that's where the "server" ness came from |
| 09:19.43 | DarkRaika | but you can set it up to be a Server |
| 09:19.46 | jnc | sure |
| 09:19.52 | jnc | i run Debian on all my server boxes |
| 09:20.02 | jnc | i have tried many, and found Debian the simplest to administer |
| 09:20.07 | PerfDave | DarkRaika: Debian is a distribution. It contains software suitable for servers, software suitable for desktops, and software suitable for both. I run Debian on all my desktops and all my servers :) |
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| 09:20.47 | DarkRaika | Ok, so Debian is more suitable as a Server |
| 09:20.54 | PerfDave | DarkRaika: No, it does both tasks very well. |
| 09:21.10 | DarkRaika | ok |
| 09:21.13 | alistair | which is the actual file to put into your debian theme install, whats the extension? |
| 09:21.23 | shingouz | DarkRaika: no, debian is suitable for anything, just configure it correctly. it can run on a pda if you like |
| 09:21.41 | DarkRaika | ok I get it |
| 09:21.48 | DarkRaika | I didn't think it was a Server OS |
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| 09:21.51 | SerajewelKS | i use debian as a server and a desktop, on the same box |
| 09:22.00 | DarkRaika | I didn't think there was a Server Linux OS out there |
| 09:22.05 | DarkRaika | you just configure it the way you want |
| 09:22.08 | weefle | but ehh... still no sound here.. |
| 09:22.08 | DarkRaika | whatever distro it is |
| 09:22.27 | PerfDave | DarkRaika: What do you mean by a "server Linux OS"? Linux isn't an operating system, and I'm not aware of any distributions of the GNU/Linux OS which *only* contain server software. |
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| 09:22.42 | SerajewelKS | DarkRaika, that's the short of it... some distros are definately geared to serve one task though, e.g. LAMP |
| 09:22.52 | PerfDave | DarkRaika: And even if there were, you could always compile desktop-oriented software on it ;) |
| 09:23.11 | alistair | which is the actual file to put into your debian theme install, whats the extension? |
| 09:23.11 | meri_ | alistair: the extension is - hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 09:23.14 | gentoothreefour | Why not name the next release to be pixar? |
| 09:23.20 | gentoothreefour | or disney |
| 09:23.23 | DarkRaika | Let me put it this way, when I was told Debain is a Linux Server OS, I went "eh?" |
| 09:23.26 | alistair | ~_~.. |
| 09:23.27 | gentoothreefour | or stevey |
| 09:23.35 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: Because Pixar isn't a character in Toy Story, and is also a registered trademark. |
| 09:23.37 | jnc | DarkRaika: Redhat company makes their money with a linux distro, Redhat Advanced Server, that is pre-configured to be functional as a server only |
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| 09:23.49 | gentoothreefour | whaatabout stevey |
| 09:23.55 | SerajewelKS | DarkRaika, some people think linux is only a server, maybe that's why. maybe he thought that "server linux" is true for all cases of linux. |
| 09:23.59 | DarkRaika | ok cool jnc |
| 09:24.00 | jnc | is the next release going to be named StinkyPete? |
| 09:24.01 | SerajewelKS | DarkRaika, i've met people like that. they scare me. |
| 09:24.04 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: Stevey is also not a character in Toy Story. Why do you care about this so much? |
| 09:24.24 | gentoothreefour | SerajewelKS: cause there is windows 2000 |
| 09:24.31 | gentoothreefour | most people are scard of it |
| 09:24.32 | DarkRaika | SerajewelKS: yeah that was probably the case |
| 09:24.35 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS, DarkRaika: I've met people who told me that my computer couldn't be running Linux, because it has a GUI and Linux doesn't have a GUI. |
| 09:24.36 | gentoothreefour | as well as windows 2004 |
| 09:24.38 | gentoothreefour | as well as windows 2003 |
| 09:24.39 | jnc | DarkRaika: Redhat is probably the most recognized public brand for a linux distro on the whole planet; i'm not a fan of Redhat products |
| 09:24.44 | jnc | they have their place in the world though |
| 09:24.47 | alistair | PerfDave: hah |
| 09:24.54 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, that's not happened to me, but i'm not surprised =) |
| 09:24.55 | DarkRaika | this was a guy at a Computer Shop today that told me that, I was purchasing a 10metre monitor cable |
| 09:24.58 | gentoothreefour | PerfDave: why character in toy story |
| 09:25.04 | SerajewelKS | gentoothreefour, i have no idea what you're trying to tell me |
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| 09:25.16 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: Did you read the history of the Debian project link I gave you?# |
| 09:25.26 | gentoothreefour | all dead people |
| 09:25.29 | gentoothreefour | to long to read |
| 09:25.31 | sward | !why |
| 09:25.31 | dpkg | Because! |
| 09:25.42 | DarkRaika | Has anybody here tried to get Paltalk to work in Linux? |
| 09:25.45 | meri_ | !gentoo |
| 09:25.45 | dpkg | i guess gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385, or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 09:25.55 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: Well, the answer to your question is in there. It's not a long document. |
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| 09:26.16 | alistair | In skill level how would you judge gentoo? moderate? |
| 09:26.35 | gentoothreefour | who is sarge in toystory? |
| 09:26.49 | DarkRaika | I guess no one here has |
| 09:26.52 | gentoothreefour | i watched it but i cant remember the person sarge |
| 09:26.53 | PerfDave | alistair: You need to be missing the skill of realising that the distro you're using is a heap of shit, and using something better instead ;) |
| 09:26.54 | sep | alindeman, gentoo is not about what skille you have, more about how patient you can be. |
| 09:26.56 | shingouz | gentoothreefour: go watch ToyStory |
| 09:27.05 | meri_ | they are crazy - indeed! |
| 09:27.06 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: The Sarge of the green soldiers. |
| 09:27.16 | alistair | I have gentoo can take ages to configure? |
| 09:27.19 | gentoothreefour | ahh wow thats catchy |
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| 09:27.28 | sward | gentoothreefour: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Story |
| 09:27.35 | alistair | Wikipedia =) |
| 09:27.41 | PerfDave | alistair: Gentoo takes ages to do anythign with, and then doesn't work, and you get flamed if you ask for help :) |
| 09:27.47 | meri_ | !crazy |
| 09:27.47 | dpkg | you so cuhraaazy, meri_ |
| 09:28.00 | gentoothreefour | i might try debain after all despite the name and the logo |
| 09:28.08 | gentoothreefour | the sarge char is cool |
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| 09:28.10 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: It's "Debian", not "debain" |
| 09:28.20 | gentoothreefour | tell that to my finger |
| 09:28.24 | fair_scheduler | is there a channel about QoS/fair scheduling? |
| 09:28.28 | sward | !debain |
| 09:28.28 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 09:28.31 | alistair | PerfDave:haha |
| 09:28.32 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: And if the name and logo are your reasons for choosing a distribution, you worry me. |
| 09:28.33 | sep | #lartc |
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| 09:28.47 | alistair | hah! |
| 09:28.54 | gentoothreefour | huh |
| 09:29.02 | gentoothreefour | i choose gentoo for its color |
| 09:29.02 | sep | fair_scheduler, and there is also a #lartc on another ircnet.. the webpage have the info |
| 09:29.04 | sep | !lartc |
| 09:29.05 | dpkg | lartc is probably Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 09:29.06 | Malith | !sarge |
| 09:29.06 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 09:29.15 | gentoothreefour | i choose hp for its keyboard color |
| 09:29.17 | gentoothreefour | my laptop |
| 09:29.24 | gentoothreefour | u still worried |
| 09:29.32 | meri_ | !u |
| 09:29.33 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 09:29.55 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: Nah, I know there are silly people out there, I try not to let them bother me. |
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| 09:30.06 | baard | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:30.27 | gentoothreefour | i will try debian after i back up my gentoo |
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| 09:31.12 | kainer | can sombody please help |
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| 09:31.29 | kainer | i have just finished installing debian 3.1 from the net install |
| 09:31.43 | meri_ | please put them in a deep hole - |
| 09:31.43 | jnc | kainer: congrats |
| 09:31.45 | agabus | wat '/msg dpkg' command can i send to learn about how to add the unofficial 'restricted' repositories? |
| 09:31.50 | kainer | i have a asus p4c800 deluxe mobo |
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| 09:32.05 | fair_scheduler | deb: thank you. i already have a nice tutorial (http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Traffic-Control-HOWTO/), just wondering how to use traffic shaping for ADSL _down_stream... |
| 09:32.09 | kainer | after rebooting and trying to boot into debian for the first time |
| 09:32.39 | kainer | i get messages : Disabling IRQ#11 |
| 09:32.46 | shingouz | kainer: on one line please, easier to follow what you say |
| 09:33.09 | gentoothreefour | someone tell me what is a debian source package |
| 09:33.24 | jnc | gentoothreefour: are you familiar with Gentoo? |
| 09:33.24 | gentoothreefour | is it totally different from the source tarball |
| 09:33.27 | alistair | simple question here guys.. how do i install icon themes? |
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| 09:33.37 | kainer | and i just keep getting the message Disabling IRQ#11 |
| 09:33.43 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: It's a package containing the source and build instruction |
| 09:33.49 | jethro | gentoothreefour: yes, it includes patches, and a few files to build the binary package, located in debian/ |
| 09:34.04 | gentoothreefour | whats the difference then between deb source pkg and the actual tarball |
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| 09:34.22 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: The Debian source package contains the tarball, patches, and build instructions. |
| 09:34.22 | agabus | anyone help me out getting multimedia repositories please? |
| 09:34.24 | jnc | gentoothreefour: well, you know Gentoo's ebuild files? |
| 09:34.36 | PerfDave | agabus: What do you mean by "multimedia repositories"? |
| 09:34.44 | gentoothreefour | ok if i have deb source package can i get the same tarball from sourceforge and replace that source in deb pack with the one from source forge |
| 09:34.51 | gentoothreefour | jnc yes its awesome |
| 09:34.58 | bibe | agabus : deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main |
| 09:35.01 | kainer | has anyone managed to install debian on a p4c800 deluxe mobo, not SATA just normal IDE hard disk |
| 09:35.05 | meri_ | !gentoothreefour |
| 09:35.10 | jnc | gentoothreefour: debian does not use ebuilds, it has build information in the form of scripts inside the source directory structure |
| 09:35.14 | SerajewelKS | !tell agabus about matillat |
| 09:35.22 | jnc | gentoothreefour: usually in the 'debian' directory inside a source build tree |
| 09:35.25 | SerajewelKS | !tell agabus about marillat |
| 09:35.27 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: Often, but not always - the new version of the source pacakge may not compile with the build instructions for the old version, or the patches to the old version may not apply to the new one. |
| 09:35.34 | jnc | gentoothreefour: that's the difference, usually |
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| 09:35.57 | weefle | screw this, i`m rebuilding my kernel :P |
| 09:36.02 | weefle | bye folks |
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| 09:36.09 | alistair | later |
| 09:36.21 | kainer | whats irqpolling ? |
| 09:36.31 | jethro | gentoothreefour: the debian maintainer guide documents debian source packages |
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| 09:36.39 | jnc | gentoothreefour: if you see files on an archive server that have packagename.orig.tgz and packagename.dsc and packagename_diff.tgz; the orig is the original tarball, the dsc describes how to unpack and apply the diff (which contains usually that debian/ and related patch files) |
| 09:36.42 | gentoothreefour | PerfDave: replace the source in deb pkg with the same source version taken somewhere else |
| 09:36.43 | sam__ | firefox1.0.4-2sarge2 broken |
| 09:36.43 | jnc | i think i have that accruate |
| 09:36.57 | Mardus | shingouz: tty screens show Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 |
| 09:36.58 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: Why would you want to do that? It should be identical. |
| 09:37.22 | jethro | !tell gentoothreefour -about nm |
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| 09:37.25 | SerajewelKS | sam__, that's helpful. i think i'll fix it... |
| 09:37.40 | gentoothreefour | deb pkg checks gpg sigs or md5sum of the actual source package like gentoo? |
| 09:37.46 | alistair | simple question here guys.. how do i install icon themes? |
| 09:37.55 | jnc | gentoothreefour: don't know |
| 09:38.04 | jnc | portage is funky |
| 09:38.14 | gentoothreefour | its got some quirks |
| 09:38.22 | jnc | i'm a gentoo dev, and here i am without a gentoo box; my only boxes now run debian |
| 09:38.24 | gentoothreefour | anyone |
| 09:38.25 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: It checks the md5sum, it'll check the signatures if you ask it to. |
| 09:38.35 | jnc | actually |
| 09:38.40 | jnc | one of them runs openzaurus ;) |
| 09:38.47 | jnc | and another runs openwrt |
| 09:38.50 | SerajewelKS | !tell sam__ about asky |
| 09:38.51 | shingouz | Mardus: ok ok ok ok.. whatever. if you insist calling it woody, call it woody and then have to explain what you *really* run when you ask for help here. your sources point to sarge and you are on sarge now. it is that simple. call it bo if you like but in reality you are on sarge because your sources.list points to stable |
| 09:38.59 | sam__ | When I click on a URL pointing to a file, the What-do-you-want-to-do-with-this-file dialog opens during first session only. After that it doesnt work anymore |
| 09:38.59 | alistair | simple question here guys.. how do i install icon themes? |
| 09:39.08 | PerfDave | !tell alistair -about repeat |
| 09:39.19 | PerfDave | !tell alistair -about smart questions |
| 09:39.24 | Mardus | shingouz: That's because I edited it to stable and that's it. |
| 09:39.27 | SerajewelKS | !tell sam__ about bts |
| 09:39.33 | Mardus | shingouz: And it's not bo. |
| 09:39.33 | gentoothreefour | PerfDave: pls send me an example of debian package |
| 09:39.39 | shingouz | Mardus: *so you are on stable* |
| 09:39.45 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: http://packages.debian.org/ has an awful lot of them. |
| 09:39.51 | alistair | xD |
| 09:39.51 | gentoothreefour | source package |
| 09:39.57 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: http://packages.debian.org/ has an awful lot of those too |
| 09:39.59 | gentoothreefour | what is inside and all |
| 09:40.03 | shingouz | Mardus: and stable is called sarge these days! geez.. |
| 09:40.04 | jethro | gentoothreefour: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 09:40.21 | gentoothreefour | sorry about this but how do i extract source package for debian in gentoo |
| 09:40.29 | alistair | on screensavers i get an error, something about GLX and display :0:0 |
| 09:40.31 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: Why don't you try reading some of the documentation about Debian packaging to which you have, repeatedly, been referred? If you're too lazy to read the documentation, you're not going to get anywhere. |
| 09:40.35 | shingouz | gentoothreefour: how about asking in #gentoo? |
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| 09:40.37 | meri_ | are there some clowns? |
| 09:40.37 | alistair | on screensavers i get an error, something about GLX and display :0:0 |
| 09:40.42 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: If you read the documentation, you'll learn how to extract the source packages by hand. |
| 09:40.42 | jethro | gentoothreefour: when are you going to quit acting like this? |
| 09:41.08 | shingouz | meri_: and your point is? |
| 09:41.16 | Mardus | shingouz: Suppose I have woody and i edit the sources list to stable <now that the sarge has come out :> and not make any updates, what do you think the system then is? |
| 09:41.46 | shingouz | Mardus: for the umpteenth time. it is sarge. one more time and i will /ignore you |
| 09:41.51 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, in an inconsistent state |
| 09:41.51 | bob2 | gentoothreefour: can you stop it? |
| 09:41.53 | gentoothreefour | k thanks a lot guys |
| 09:41.53 | SerajewelKS | err |
| 09:41.57 | jnc | jethro: if you're not going to help, shhh shh shhh. |
| 09:42.00 | sleon|tuX | which debian package contains nslookup? |
| 09:42.01 | SerajewelKS | s/shingouz/Mardus/ |
| 09:42.03 | bob2 | you were +q'd for being annoying and obnoxious, and you're still doing it |
| 09:42.07 | bob2 | !+find nslookup |
| 09:42.08 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:42.18 | bob2 | sleon|tuX: dig pretty much replaces it, tho |
| 09:42.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nslookup' (6 of 11): (/usr/bin/nslookup) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/share/scrollz/help/nslookup) in net/scrollz ;; (/usr/share/kaptain/nslookup.kaptn) in utils/kaptain ;; (/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/rbot/plugins/nslookup.rb) in net/rbot ;; (/usr/lib/bitchx/help/1_General/nslookup.bz2) in net/bitchx ;; (/usr/share/kvirc/help/en/nslookup.kvihelp) in doc/kvirc-doc. |
| 09:42.29 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, what he's saying is that his apt.sources point to stable, but he hasn't done a dist-upgrade since sarge was released |
| 09:42.33 | sleon|tuX | thx |
| 09:42.36 | jethro | !moron jnc |
| 09:42.37 | dpkg | jnc: You are moron #63 |
| 09:42.41 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: yes i know |
| 09:42.46 | bob2 | wow |
| 09:42.48 | alistair | on screensavers i get an error, something about GLX and display :0:0 |
| 09:42.51 | bob2 | !+find bin/nslookup |
| 09:42.53 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:42.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/nslookup' (1): (/usr/bin/nslookup) in net/dnsutils. |
| 09:43.02 | bob2 | alistair: disable the GL sceensavers |
| 09:43.02 | agabus | i wish to upgrade my sarge install to testing. i believe that should be as simple as changing my repositories and updating apt-get? there is a program that sets up apt where i pick my local mirrors etc and can select which distro to use isn't there? |
| 09:43.04 | jm_ | !tell sleon|tuX -about search |
| 09:43.04 | bob2 | sleon|tuX: ^^ |
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| 09:43.17 | alistair | yeah but for futher use, wine with games using opengl.. it will be trouble |
| 09:43.23 | SerajewelKS | !tell alistair about glx |
| 09:43.24 | jnc | bob2: for what it's worth, 'dig' is part of bind9 utils |
| 09:43.25 | bob2 | agabus: just edit it manually, but be aware things may be broken at any time |
| 09:43.30 | sleon|tuX | i know i know |
| 09:43.32 | meri_ | I get angry a little bit - |
| 09:43.32 | PerfDave | agabus: Why do you wish to switch from stable to testing? You will lose security updates, and incur random breakages. |
| 09:43.36 | alistair | i prefer your help, not bot help |
| 09:43.59 | meri_ | pa - fools |
| 09:44.02 | shingouz | is meri_ a bot? begins to sound like an annoybot |
| 09:44.09 | sleon|tuX | !+find bin/dig |
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| 09:44.11 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:44.14 | agabus | PerfDave - i always have used testing, but the current net install cd for testing was not working with my network card, so i installed sarge and want to get into testing |
| 09:44.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dig' (6 of 7): (/usr/bin/digestp) in text/mp ;; (/usr/bin/dig) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/bin/digikam) in graphics/digikam ;; (/var/list/.bin/digest) in mail/smartlist ;; (/usr/share/tomcat4/bin/digest.sh) in contrib/web/tomcat4 ;; (/usr/bin/{digitemp_DS2490|digitemp_DS9097|digitemp_DS9097U}) in electronics/digitemp. |
| 09:44.28 | sleon|tuX | a ok |
| 09:44.31 | PerfDave | agabus: Really, if you want to run testing, you should know how to switch to it. |
| 09:44.47 | gentoothreefour | PerfDave: debian packages need spec file right |
| 09:44.49 | alistair | stick on stable, trust me, i've had problems, bad ones too.. |
| 09:44.52 | gentoothreefour | or control file |
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| 09:45.14 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: Read the documentation, it will tell you everything you need to know. |
| 09:45.39 | Cloudz | I just ran dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-xserver and reconfigured I wanted higher resolution but when I wanted to restart the computer it just frooze on me, I cna see the mouse but the screen is black (I am using rev30a and installed it today, this was the first thing I did) |
| 09:45.42 | agabus | PerfDave - is there a program for setting up my apt repositories rather than editing the sources.list file by hand or not? |
| 09:45.56 | meri_ | hehe - I have problems too - BUT NOT OVER STABLE -YOU HERE THAT!!! |
| 09:46.05 | gentoothreefour | the one u gave me has package manual link broken |
| 09:46.07 | jethro | !rtfm gentoothreefour |
| 09:46.17 | Cloudz | I am running stable... |
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| 09:46.29 | PerfDave | agabus: apt-setup |
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| 09:46.33 | jnc | jethro: privmsg? |
| 09:46.36 | agabus | PerfDave - thanks |
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| 09:46.38 | HelpGirl | Help to little Girl - www.helpgirl.lv/en - Help to little Girl |
| 09:46.41 | gentoothreefour | http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#packman no link |
| 09:46.42 | HelpGirl | Help to little Girl - www.helpgirl.lv/en - Help to little Girl |
| 09:46.44 | jethro | jnc: privmsg what? |
| 09:46.45 | HelpGirl | Help to little Girl - www.helpgirl.lv/en - Help to little Girl |
| 09:46.46 | HelpGirl | Help to little Girl - www.helpgirl.lv/en - Help to little Girl |
| 09:46.48 | Mardus | SarajewelKS: What I did do, though, was update synaptic, because version 0.16 was so unstable and I thought it would just be one program and a few packages... The result was that it downloaded a crapload of packages worth 80Mb or so... [I had updated gcc to something, too, after updating dillo from 0.7.9 to 0.8.2 (or 0.8.5)]. Now that took quite some time. |
| 09:46.52 | PerfDave | :ops HelpGirl |
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| 09:46.58 | meri_ | acid and thunder!! |
| 09:47.00 | PerfDave | !ops HelpGirl |
| 09:47.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: HelpGirl |
| 09:47.02 | HelpGirl | Help to little Girl - www.helpgirl.lv/en - Help to little Girl |
| 09:47.05 | HelpGirl | Help to little Girl - www.helpgirl.lv/en - Help to little Girl |
| 09:47.11 | Ronin | !ops helpgirl is a spammer |
| 09:47.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: helpgirl is a spammer |
| 09:47.13 | HelpGirl | Help to little Girl - www.helpgirl.lv/en - Help to little Girl |
| 09:47.17 | HelpGirl | Help to little Girl - www.helpgirl.lv/en - Help to little Girl |
| 09:47.19 | HelpGirl | Help to little Girl - www.helpgirl.lv/en - Help to little Girl |
| 09:47.19 | PerfDave | Ronin: Keep up at the back there |
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| 09:47.31 | alistair | eh helpgirl, spammer? .. |
| 09:47.33 | Ronin | cool, get computer back up and running and the morons havent changed i see :) |
| 09:47.49 | Ronin | alistair: couldnt think what else to call them |
| 09:47.50 | alistair | russian bot ;D |
| 09:47.59 | Mardus | alistair: No, a Latvian bot. |
| 09:48.01 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: http://www.debian.org/doc/ has all the documentation |
| 09:48.02 | alistair | ah i see |
| 09:48.06 | Ronin | other then fecking annoying |
| 09:48.06 | alistair | im not familer with spam methods |
| 09:48.23 | alistair | lmao, what a fake pic on that site |
| 09:48.28 | alistair | anything for money dude, its sick |
| 09:48.30 | jethro | PerfDave: I don't think gentoothreefour wants to read anyway.. |
| 09:48.32 | meri_ | !spam |
| 09:48.32 | dpkg | methinks spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) , razor or crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week) |
| 09:48.35 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@81.198.93.117] by bob2 |
| 09:49.46 | PerfDave | jethro: I'm pretty sure that gentoothreefour doesn't want to read either, he's already stated that he can't be bothered to read documentation. I'm just not going to spoonfeed him any more. |
| 09:50.01 | Mardus | helpgirl.lv stopped somehwere at theplanet.com, the bot was from latvia, though. |
| 09:50.04 | Ronin | what was the command again for dpkg to tell about nospam |
| 09:50.10 | jnc | man, you guys are mean |
| 09:50.14 | jethro | PerfDave: that's wise :) |
| 09:50.16 | alistair | many making schemes eh, real sick too |
| 09:50.19 | jnc | gentoothreefour has been pretty cordial about the whole business |
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| 09:51.02 | tengulre | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.11 | PerfDave | jnc: That's fair enough, I'm just not going to look things up for them and paste into IRC when they're presumably perfectly capable of reading themselves. |
| 09:51.16 | sward | jnc: Ask dpkg about lazy |
| 09:51.38 | Cloudz | where are there giood diocumentation on troubleshooting xfree86 under debian? |
| 09:51.46 | nkuttler | tengulre: explain |
| 09:51.51 | PerfDave | Cloudz: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
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| 09:52.07 | Mardus | SarajewelKS: I don't know if you could read what I wrote to you, as that spam bot came around. |
| 09:52.16 | meri_ | Cloudz: man xfree |
| 09:52.27 | gentoothreefour | PerfDave: it looks like gentoo but with more stuff |
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| 09:52.31 | nkuttler | meri_: you're not really saying anything useful, are you? |
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| 09:52.38 | gentoothreefour | useless moreorless |
| 09:52.45 | gentoothreefour | not in a bad way |
| 09:52.55 | jnc | gentoothreefour: it's functional for servers, IMO |
| 09:52.56 | gentoothreefour | pls stop being sensitivity this is linux |
| 09:52.59 | tengulre | nkuttler, I have a file int path /home like 'a.conf', I want copy it in all path /home/aaa,/home/bbb....? |
| 09:53.10 | bob2 | oh, stop it |
| 09:53.37 | nkuttler | tengulre: use a bash for loop |
| 09:54.02 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: Debian looks like Gentoo but with more stuff? :) |
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| 09:54.38 | jethro | that's a lie! debian has no emoticons (thank god) in the system commands output |
| 09:54.44 | alistair | :D |
| 09:54.44 | MikeW | Is it possible to somehow install RPMs from fedora into debian? |
| 09:54.48 | jethro | </troll> |
| 09:55.00 | PerfDave | MikeW: It may be possible, it's very rarely a good idea. What are you actually trying to do? |
| 09:55.02 | bob2 | MikeW: yes, using alien. but generally you don't want to. |
| 09:55.09 | sep | MikeW, alien, and it's not recomened, and will break you badly |
| 09:55.11 | jnc | praise bob. anywho, the QA on Gentoo is next to impossible. i think the difference really is how tight and neat (from what i have seen so far) Debian QA is |
| 09:55.15 | Mardus | gentoothreefour: Go to #gentoo instead. |
| 09:55.26 | bob2 | hah |
| 09:55.32 | bob2 | debian qa is a constant battle |
| 09:55.48 | Mardus | gentoothreefour: There are like 800 users in it, so you are likely to get lots of help. |
| 09:55.50 | PerfDave | Debian QA is a constant battle, but it's the reason I use Debian :) |
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| 09:55.59 | alistair | Mardus: there would be >_> |
| 09:56.03 | MikeW | damn. Just that my debian sarge dvd came with mysql 4.0 and not 4.1, but the other side of the dvd has fedora and mysql 4.1 |
| 09:56.11 | sep | qa on any system is a constant battle, if it wasn't you'd be looking at a stagnant system |
| 09:56.16 | bob2 | MikeW: mysql-server-4.1 |
| 09:56.17 | Mardus | alistarir: Would be? =? |
| 09:56.36 | MikeW | Hmm, msql-server-4.1 only seems to be 6mb, I'm sure I could download that in an hour from the debian site |
| 09:56.48 | PerfDave | MikeW: No, Debian 3.1 has MySQL 4.1, probably on your Sarge DVD. |
| 09:57.10 | gentoothreefour | i will try debian |
| 09:57.23 | gentoothreefour | but ive already tried fedora |
| 09:57.26 | MikeW | Hmm, the only mention of 4.1 I see is mysql-common-4.1 |
| 09:57.35 | PerfDave | MikeW: apt-cache search mysql 4.1 |
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| 09:57.49 | gentoothreefour | i know this is stupid to ask but arent they almost the same debian and fedora |
| 09:57.58 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: No, they're not almost the same. |
| 09:58.02 | bob2 | gentoothreefour: yes, it is stupid |
| 09:58.06 | jethro | !troll gentoothreefour |
| 09:58.12 | gentoothreefour | fedora has apt so as debian |
| 09:58.12 | bob2 | MikeW: the cd appears to be incomplete |
| 09:58.18 | gentoothreefour | im not trolling |
| 09:58.20 | bob2 | gentoothreefour: look, you're just being annoying. |
| 09:58.23 | jnc | gentoothreefour: functionally... maybe. Debian is based on the idea of freedom in software, while Redhat is commercially profit driven |
| 09:58.31 | bob2 | gentoothreefour: if you want to know what Debian is like, install it and give it ago. |
| 09:58.33 | gentoothreefour | it takes sometime to get acquiented to a distro really |
| 09:58.49 | gentoothreefour | jnc did i say redhat |
| 09:58.50 | MikeW | bob2: ah ha |
| 09:58.52 | meri_ | !gentoo |
| 09:58.52 | dpkg | gentoo is probably a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385, or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 09:58.58 | MikeW | bob2: I'll blame linuxformat then :) |
| 09:58.59 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: Fedora has a different apt to Debian. It just has the same name. |
| 09:59.06 | gentoothreefour | fedora and redhat are totally different |
| 09:59.12 | jnc | oh |
| 09:59.13 | Mardus | gentoothreefour: You could go to #gentoo or #linux and discuss these things there. |
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| 09:59.46 | PerfDave | gentoothreefour: Fedora and Redhat are much more similar than either of them are to Debian. |
| 10:00.04 | fatal_ | !start a distro war |
| 10:00.04 | dpkg | Gentoo 0wnz! |
| 10:00.10 | bob2 | MikeW: looks more like a 15MB or so download |
| 10:00.16 | MikeW | My debian machine doesn't have internet access. Would it be difficult to download the 4.1 package that synaptic or apt wants and put it on debian and get it to install? |
| 10:00.19 | MikeW | oh :( |
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| 10:00.30 | MikeW | I'll have to get it next week then |
| 10:00.39 | jnc | MikeW: i think what you'rer talking about has a nickname "sneakernet" |
| 10:00.48 | PerfDave | MikeW: Look at apt-zip |
| 10:01.03 | jnc | after (reportedly) the movie "Sneakers" which involved a similar transportation of data, i read |
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| 10:01.05 | MikeW | jnc: I wish. I don't know anyone around here who has a fast internet connection - that would let me use their machine |
| 10:01.05 | Mardus | MikeW: Having a connection to the net enables synaptic or apt to get all the dependencies to whatever package you need. |
| 10:01.19 | kainer | how do i disable irqpolling when trying to install |
| 10:01.22 | stupidLinxuz3r | im back |
| 10:01.24 | stupidLinxuz3r | im not flamming |
| 10:01.26 | alistair | synaptic, touchpad drivers? |
| 10:01.26 | stupidLinxuz3r | flaming |
| 10:01.41 | stupidLinxuz3r | PerfDave: i will test debian |
| 10:01.43 | stupidLinxuz3r | soon |
| 10:01.55 | stupidLinxuz3r | is it really hard to make deb packages |
| 10:02.01 | resiak | !tell stupidLinxuz3r -about enter |
| 10:02.08 | alistair | gj resiak |
| 10:02.10 | geek | my apt is blocked in a recent unstable upgrade due to udev, which i can't install due to unavailable kernel >=2.6.12 on amd64. meanwhile, i can't install anything else on my system .. how do i unblock such a situation ? |
| 10:02.11 | jnc | stupidLinxuz3r: libraries are difficult to package |
| 10:02.14 | MikeW | Mardus: yeah, setting up some sort of gateway though my laptop might be a good idea sometime. But I'm not expecting rockin' downloads on 56k ;) |
| 10:02.17 | jnc | the others aren't so bad once you get used to it |
| 10:02.19 | resiak | alistair: The first thing I've said in here in 2 weeks! |
| 10:02.23 | alistair | your apt is blocked? sounds nasty |
| 10:02.26 | alistair | hah! |
| 10:02.27 | kainer | how do i disable irqpolling when trying to install |
| 10:02.35 | stupidLinxuz3r | i mean here is just simple question can i replace source tarball in debian package with the same source tarball and version taken from other sites |
| 10:02.40 | Mardus | MikeW: You could download a few ISO's from some place fast and then burn them on a CD. |
| 10:02.41 | bob2 | geek: wait until a new kernel is available |
| 10:02.42 | jnc | kainer: i think you should be trying to get the kernel from the installer on your system |
| 10:02.43 | stupidLinxuz3r | final question and i give it a rest |
| 10:02.46 | jnc | it seems to work |
| 10:02.48 | resiak | geek: This is why you don't run Sid. :) |
| 10:02.52 | alistair | xD |
| 10:02.56 | bob2 | geek: udev will explode if it gets ahead of your kernel |
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| 10:03.15 | meri_ | they cant get enough - hm stupid |
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| 10:03.21 | Cloudz | does inforamtion get added to /var/log/XFree86.0.log when you exit the system? |
| 10:03.21 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: what is your aim in doing that? |
| 10:03.29 | geek | but can't i like tell apt to wait with udev, but let me install other packages meanwhile ? |
| 10:03.34 | stupidLinxuz3r | replace source tarball in debian package |
| 10:03.38 | alistair | How old are you guys? |
| 10:03.44 | sussudio | !polls |
| 10:03.44 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 10:03.48 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: why? |
| 10:03.54 | honschu | Hi, I'm trying to build a screensaver for my MAME-Arcade-Cabinet and need to check the mouse if it was moved and clicked in the last 10 minutes. |
| 10:03.58 | kainer | where would i get a install kernel for asus mobo p4c800 deluxe |
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| 10:04.06 | bob2 | geek: sure, that's what apt will do, unless other things Depend on the newer udev |
| 10:04.12 | stupidLinxuz3r | in gentoo you can get any source tarball you want and can amizingly compile other package version with almost the same ebuild |
| 10:04.15 | bob2 | geek: then they will be held back, too |
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| 10:04.23 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: as you can with Debian, but why? |
| 10:04.27 | bob2 | honschu: use xscreensaver |
| 10:04.29 | Cloudz | kainjer: why dont you configure your own kernel? |
| 10:04.39 | stupidLinxuz3r | why replace source tarball just because |
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| 10:04.42 | bob2 | honschu: seriously, you don't want to have to reimplement all it's nasty hacks |
| 10:04.47 | geek | bob2 no, i'm blocked blocked right now. every time i invoke apt, it tells me to -f install |
| 10:04.49 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: then do so... |
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| 10:04.52 | alistair | how old are you all? ;D |
| 10:04.52 | meri_ | this is a real problem ? |
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| 10:04.59 | geek | bob2 which installs udev, which i can't |
| 10:05.00 | jnc | bob2: that's a very bad answer, you know it ;) a simple X11 app could be written |
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| 10:05.04 | geek | bob2 but i just want stupid abook |
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| 10:05.18 | meri_ | hi streuner |
| 10:05.20 | honschu | bob2: But can xscreensaver kill the running xmame so that the frontend gets back? |
| 10:05.21 | bob2 | geek: then you've broken apt somehow, or sid is fucked (film at a 11) |
| 10:05.21 | streuner | argh |
| 10:05.26 | streuner | meri_: hi |
| 10:05.26 | Mardus | stupidLinxuz3r: Why do you need to replace a source tarball? You could just delete one source tarball and then download the one you want. |
| 10:05.27 | bob2 | geek: you'll have to wait, I guess |
| 10:05.36 | kainer | how do i configure my own kernel with a fresh system, booting straight from the debian 3.1 net install cd |
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| 10:05.48 | bob2 | jnc: the saving isn't too hard, aiui, but detecting mouse/keyboard is system-specific |
| 10:05.48 | alistair | is it me or since i have been using debian my system seems alot cooler, not as hot.. |
| 10:05.49 | kainer | expert26 ?? |
| 10:05.51 | bob2 | honschu: I think so |
| 10:05.52 | Gil | doh |
| 10:05.54 | streuner | <-- over 24 hours offline (i-net) - thats insane. |
| 10:06.03 | Gil | do I have to be in the channel to msg dpkg? |
| 10:06.05 | finn__ | alistair.. debian IS cool |
| 10:06.10 | alistair | :D |
| 10:06.11 | stupidLinxuz3r | Mardus: thanks for answering my question inderectly |
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| 10:06.13 | bob2 | kainer: no, you install then you sort out a kernel latter |
| 10:06.14 | alistair | no more blue screen of deaths :) |
| 10:06.25 | bob2 | Gil: in some channel with it, yeah |
| 10:06.30 | finn__ | bluescreen == hardware-error |
| 10:06.38 | Mardus | stupidLinxuz3r: Why would you need to replace a source tarball? |
| 10:06.38 | bibe | kainer : install with linux26 or expert26, it installs a "stock" kernel. Then reboot and compile your own kernel |
| 10:06.39 | kainer | but i cant seem to get my installed system to boot |
| 10:06.39 | jnc | heh. this sounds so hitchhikers. "why would ape man want replacement tarball in debian package?" |
| 10:06.44 | meri_ | streuner: can you disable this gentoo freaks? |
| 10:06.49 | stupidLinxuz3r | mardus network based fetching those source tarball is it passible? |
| 10:06.50 | Gil | gotta find me a quiet channel |
| 10:06.52 | bob2 | kainer: and the error is... |
| 10:06.59 | alistair | Gil: :> |
| 10:07.02 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: duh, apt did that years before gentoo existed |
| 10:07.04 | Gil | or find out how to scroll up |
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| 10:07.11 | finn__ | alistair, maybe the fans are running at a higher rate.. |
| 10:07.12 | bob2 | Gil: page up |
| 10:07.13 | finn__ | no idea |
| 10:07.21 | stupidLinxuz3r | bob2: source deb pkgs not source tarballs |
| 10:07.22 | kainer | [<f885d902>] (ide_intl+0x0x/0.15d [ide_core] |
| 10:07.23 | bean | Can I get squid to log POST requests? |
| 10:07.27 | Gil | I'bob2 I'm on ircii |
| 10:07.27 | alistair | I dont know, but im using a laptop |
| 10:07.29 | kainer | Disabling IRQ#11 |
| 10:07.33 | jm_ | bean: why? |
| 10:07.34 | streuner | meri_: "disable gentoo freaks"? |
| 10:07.43 | alistair | Windows just used to go way over the limit, i would scold myself lol |
| 10:07.44 | bean | jm_: for debugging a web app |
| 10:07.52 | stupidLinxuz3r | lol its already linux why u guys so arguing about other distro |
| 10:07.56 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: you seem confused about what the difference is |
| 10:08.05 | Mardus | stupidLinxuz3r: You want to download sources of debian packages? |
| 10:08.07 | jm_ | bean: there are other proxies for this, it's also trivial to convert POST requests to GET using bookmarklets |
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| 10:08.16 | bob2 | oh, right |
| 10:08.23 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r is the gentoo idiot from earlier |
| 10:08.25 | stupidLinxuz3r | i know whats the difference but i am just telling that |
| 10:08.26 | stupidLinxuz3r | bob2: source deb pkgs not source tarballs |
| 10:08.31 | Mardus | bob2: I know. |
| 10:08.33 | bean | jm_: thanks for the alternatives, I wondered if squid could also do it? |
| 10:08.36 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: yes, you seem very confused about the difference |
| 10:08.41 | stupidLinxuz3r | in debian you can specifically fetch the tarballs you want |
| 10:08.50 | stupidLinxuz3r | in gentoo |
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| 10:08.57 | stupidLinxuz3r | whcih is cool |
| 10:09.01 | alistair | In december i have a choice, PC or guitar, im goinng with the pc 8) |
| 10:09.01 | bob2 | so |
| 10:09.03 | jnc | uhm |
| 10:09.05 | bob2 | try using complete sentences |
| 10:09.07 | bob2 | on single lines |
| 10:09.09 | bob2 | that would |
| 10:09.09 | jnc | stupidLinxuz3r: i'm not sure i understand you there, man |
| 10:09.10 | bob2 | rock |
| 10:09.21 | jnc | stupidLinxuz3r: what's your objective here |
| 10:09.49 | Mardus | stupidLinxuz3r: So why is it cool for you to fetch tarballs you want in gentoo? |
| 10:09.49 | stupidLinxuz3r | fetch source tarball automagically from the developers site |
| 10:09.56 | bob2 | so, that would be dumb |
| 10:09.59 | stupidLinxuz3r | the actual author of the source |
| 10:10.01 | bob2 | but debian also supports that |
| 10:10.08 | jm_ | bean: not that I know |
| 10:10.14 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: how old are you? |
| 10:10.16 | stupidLinxuz3r | bob2: how |
| 10:10.22 | stupidLinxuz3r | 32 |
| 10:10.26 | stupidLinxuz3r | you? |
| 10:10.28 | Ethics | alistair, ensonique made a midi guitar with a linux embeded thingy i read on music world....could double up hehe |
| 10:10.38 | bob2 | wtf |
| 10:10.41 | bob2 | I hope you're kidding |
| 10:10.45 | stupidLinxuz3r | hard to teach old dogs new tricks |
| 10:10.48 | stupidLinxuz3r | as they say |
| 10:10.54 | Mardus | stupidLinxuz3r: You talk like a teen. |
| 10:10.54 | jnc | alistair: go with the guitar |
| 10:10.55 | stupidLinxuz3r | nope |
| 10:10.59 | bob2 | I'm more worried about your inability to ask a coherent question |
| 10:11.01 | jnc | sing songs for money, then buy guitar |
| 10:11.05 | jnc | :) |
| 10:11.10 | alistair | yeah i was thinking that jnc |
| 10:11.10 | stupidLinxuz3r | whats not incoherent? |
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| 10:11.15 | Ethics | 2005 - 32 = woodstock baby...affected by acid ....the brown stuff.. |
| 10:11.16 | bob2 | wtf |
| 10:11.19 | bob2 | you have to be trolling |
| 10:11.20 | alistair | going out there and getting the money =D |
| 10:11.25 | alistair | but jnc |
| 10:11.27 | alistair | im only young =) |
| 10:11.31 | stupidLinxuz3r | whats incoherent |
| 10:11.33 | honschu | bob2: I think I'll try to implement my own mouse and joystickchecker (no need for keyboard). What device do I need to check? |
| 10:11.33 | stupidLinxuz3r | lol |
| 10:11.34 | stupidLinxuz3r | wtf |
| 10:11.36 | crocd | has anybody here installed Xensource on stable as yet? |
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| 10:11.56 | Ethics | stupidLinxuz3r, lol the sentence alone leaves me baffled |
| 10:11.58 | bob2 | honschu: no idea |
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| 10:12.03 | Mardus | stupidLinxuz3r: Go to dictionary.com, type incorent, move your mouse cursor over the submit button, make ONE click. And then in a new page, scroll down. |
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| 10:12.21 | stupidLinxuz3r | lol |
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| 10:12.32 | stupidLinxuz3r | why u want to type all that stuff |
| 10:12.47 | bob2 | holy god |
| 10:12.48 | Ethics | mardus ...gig SP? |
| 10:12.49 | bob2 | just shut up |
| 10:12.54 | Mardus | Ethics: ??? |
| 10:12.58 | SerajewelKS | !tell stupidLinxuz3r about u |
| 10:13.03 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: if you really care about running random upstream versions of software, use gentoo |
| 10:13.09 | bob2 | be happy, and stay in #gentoo and not here |
| 10:13.24 | jnc | yikes, you guys are elitests :/ have some empathy |
| 10:13.27 | Mardus | bob2: I think he wants to apply his gentoo method in debian. |
| 10:13.30 | stupidLinxuz3r | ok to get to the point i just wanted to fetch automatically the source tarballs same version from the authors website and put it in an existing deb pkgs. is this possible in debian |
| 10:13.34 | bob2 | if you want to use a high-quality, highly-tested Free OS develoepd by some of the startest people around, use Debian |
| 10:13.37 | Lewoco | I'm trying to install debian using the business card cd, but lilo never succeeds. It just prints L 99 99 99 ... I know the .iso is ok (md5 matches), I know the burner is good, I know the cd is good (burned 2 already). Am I doing something wrong? |
| 10:13.38 | jnc | stupidLinxuz3r: man, there's different expectations here in #debian |
| 10:13.39 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: no, use gentoo |
| 10:13.47 | Ethics | mardus sorry mistabbed on a terminal |
| 10:13.58 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: it's possible but not trivial, and what you want is more or less gentoo, so just use that |
| 10:13.58 | Mardus | Ethics: Ok. |
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| 10:14.12 | jnc | stupidLinxuz3r: you're expected to come here not for help, but because you can help yourself |
| 10:14.16 | stupidLinxuz3r | bob2: its no binary support |
| 10:14.18 | jnc | something like that from what i can tell |
| 10:14.28 | bob2 | jnc: no |
| 10:14.43 | bob2 | jnc: it's for people who use Debian, and want help doing so |
| 10:14.43 | stupidLinxuz3r | it need some working but its really fun when u read ebuilds |
| 10:14.52 | bob2 | you'r expected to do some legwork yourself |
| 10:14.53 | rhalff | hi, what's the command to see all changes to one file, ever. |
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| 10:15.01 | bob2 | rhalff: there isn't one |
| 10:15.12 | bob2 | rhalff: are you talking about things in a rcs or cvs repository? |
| 10:15.16 | rhalff | bob2, why isn't there one ? |
| 10:15.33 | rhalff | oh, pff sorry I thought this was #svn :) |
| 10:15.36 | bob2 | rhalff: because unix filesystems don't version files? |
| 10:15.37 | bob2 | hah |
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| 10:15.38 | stupidLinxuz3r | cvs is unstable right |
| 10:15.42 | bob2 | svn log then |
| 10:15.43 | SerajewelKS | stupidLinxuz3r, wtf |
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| 10:15.48 | rhalff | ok thanks bob2 |
| 10:15.50 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: no, cvs is old and more or less deprecated |
| 10:15.58 | stupidLinxuz3r | lmao |
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| 10:16.07 | jnc | bob2: pfft whatever. cvs is still very active and in use |
| 10:16.17 | stupidLinxuz3r | well the cvs tarballs they are betas |
| 10:16.22 | bob2 | it's actuvely developed? |
| 10:16.39 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: no, that's refering to source that's being developed in cvs repositories, not the cvs software itself. |
| 10:16.40 | jnc | stupidLinxuz3r: for a look at the build scripts, search a debian archive's 'pool' directory for the .dsc and .orig.tgz and diff.gz files for your favorite package |
| 10:16.41 | honschu | bob2: I think I have a good idea (if you are interested), I just have to poll for mouse-interrupts |
| 10:16.51 | bob2 | jnc: afaik all the core cvs devs work on subversion now |
| 10:16.53 | SerajewelKS | bob2, something doesn't need to be actively developed to be useful |
| 10:16.58 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: sure |
| 10:16.59 | stupidLinxuz3r | seeoh ok |
| 10:17.01 | stupidLinxuz3r | ok |
| 10:17.02 | bob2 | I'm not saying cvs isn't useful |
| 10:17.13 | gimbal | hello; I just upgraded to x.org, on sid. now, when I try to startx, I get "giving up", then "xinit: Connection refused (erno 111): unable to connect to X server". is something supposed to be changed in the config, to make x.org work? |
| 10:17.17 | bob2 | just that it's "old and more or less deprecated"by all the shiney new tools :) |
| 10:17.19 | jnc | bob2: i did not mean actively developed. as you said, the devs went somewhere else. |
| 10:17.26 | gil | I'm sorry, http://people.debian.org/... etc - it's the backport for xorg, or only the site with info? |
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| 10:18.13 | SerajewelKS | gimbal, just wondering... why are you using sid? |
| 10:18.26 | gimbal | SerajewelKS: because; I don't care to go into it tonight, no offense meant |
| 10:18.35 | Mardus | stupidLinxuz3r: Why do you want a source tarball in Debian, if Debian repositories already have readymade binaries made? |
| 10:18.44 | zulkifar | Hi. I have ATI graphic card RV100 (Radeon 7000/VE), compiled kernel's default radeon DRI driver but fails when X loading: "drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999)". Where is the problem? |
| 10:18.46 | bob2 | because stupidLinxuz3r wants random upstream versions |
| 10:18.49 | SerajewelKS | gimbal, that's okay. i just kinda stare when people say "help, unstable doesn't work." |
| 10:19.01 | bob2 | which is easily doable, but a massive pain in the arse if you're clueless about how Debian works |
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| 10:19.12 | gimbal | SerajewelKS: it's been fine for me, but this matter of x.org is wankness |
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| 10:19.18 | jnc | bob2, i think that's all he wants to hear |
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| 10:19.36 | jnc | "yes, and it is complicated if you're new to it." |
| 10:19.40 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: uupdate and apt-get source are the tools to look at |
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| 10:19.42 | Mardus | bob2: I am not as clueless as stupidLinxuz3r. |
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| 10:19.44 | bob2 | but you will horribly break your system |
| 10:19.51 | Mardus | bob2: At least I like to think so. |
| 10:19.59 | bob2 | Mardus: eh? I wasn't referomg to you... |
| 10:20.06 | gimbal | reminds me how fscking much I don't get of how the heck this xf86 arch works, in all its great config files and all its great commands & c |
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| 10:20.12 | Mardus | bob2: Oh, ok. |
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| 10:20.45 | bibe | hi all. I think I made a stupid mistake, but I can't figure out what it is. I always used fetchmail to retrieve mail from a local POP3 server (freepops, which fetches mail from webmails and implements a POP3 server to retrieve the messages). I have a lot of 'fetchmail[<PID>]: couldn't find canonical DNS name of localhost (localhost)' errors in /var/log/mail.log, and obviously I can't get any mail. Do you have any idea? Possibly my /etc/hosts is misconfigured? |
| 10:20.47 | Mardus | bob2: Like, stupidLinxuz3r, would want Firefox 1.0.6 and not what's offered there in stable. |
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| 10:20.54 | stupidLinxuz3r | debian packages are compatible with most ~arch? |
| 10:21.02 | bob2 | bibe: that'd be my guess |
| 10:21.21 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: virtually all packages in Debian compile on all 11 architectures, yes |
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| 10:21.39 | stupidLinxuz3r | bob2: thats because of the patch right |
| 10:21.52 | stupidLinxuz3r | the control.gz |
| 10:21.55 | bob2 | no |
| 10:21.56 | bibe | bob2 : that was my guess too, but /etc/hosts says '127.0.0.1 localhost' |
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| 10:22.07 | SerajewelKS | bibe, what does 'dig localhost' say |
| 10:22.11 | bob2 | generally the Debian people send patches upstream so the authors can fix their unportable code |
| 10:22.17 | stupidLinxuz3r | ok so what makes it magically compile in all arch |
| 10:22.17 | jnc | stupidLinxuz3r: yeah. i mean, it's a little more in depth than "yes", but i think what you're getting at... |
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| 10:22.28 | SerajewelKS | bibe, nevermind, my DNS server doesn't resolve localhost either... |
| 10:22.36 | SerajewelKS | though i coulda sworn it did yesterday |
| 10:22.40 | Mardus | stupidLinxuz3r: Why do you want to compile something? |
| 10:22.42 | mkl1525 | Hi! How can I get the hard limit for hte MaxClient settings apache was compiled for the debian package? |
| 10:22.46 | jnc | there are patches and a control file that defines how each package gets built |
| 10:22.56 | fairway | which other programming language than java supports concurrency with semaphores signal/wait ? |
| 10:22.58 | Mortalman | Can someone reccomend a good samba configure program? |
| 10:23.02 | stupidLinxuz3r | well i dont have amd64 for nothing |
| 10:23.05 | finn__ | Mardus, for the speeeed |
| 10:23.06 | bibe | SerajewelKS : dig localhost returns 127.0.0.1 |
| 10:23.06 | SerajewelKS | stupidLinxuz3r, nothing 'magically' does anything. it's the result of smart people working on something until it works. |
| 10:23.16 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: so, don't get all overexicted about 64-bit-ness |
| 10:23.23 | yang | something is wrong with my CRON, it querys it every minute. Where can I disable it? crontab -l root doesnt show a thing |
| 10:23.29 | bob2 | Debian has been running on 64-bit architectures since 1997 |
| 10:23.35 | jm_ | Mortalman: tried swat? |
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| 10:23.45 | jnc | stupidLinxuz3r: amd64 is not "official" yet |
| 10:23.46 | Mortalman | jm_: No, but I will now. heh |
| 10:23.51 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: basically all the Free software in Debian will run on amd64 |
| 10:23.59 | jnc | stupidLinxuz3r: i've got athlon64 3000+ hardware here |
| 10:24.08 | bob2 | stupidLinxuz3r: if you care about binary-only junk like windows dlls or Flash, tho, you'll want to run the i386 port |
| 10:24.16 | stupidLinxuz3r | i just want 3d accell on my ati so i can play eti terrritory |
| 10:24.17 | Mardus | stupidLinxuz3r: Because AMD64 is 32-bit backwards-compatible. |
| 10:24.28 | stupidLinxuz3r | enemy territory |
| 10:24.30 | jnc | bob2: 32-bit chroot works fine FYI |
| 10:24.41 | bob2 | that too |
| 10:24.59 | bob2 | but explaining how to setup firefox to run out of a chroot to a newbie is painful |
| 10:25.05 | stupidLinxuz3r | nevermind |
| 10:25.14 | finn__ | I have 3d accelleration on my nvidia GeForce 4200, I can play Enemy Territory. but neither ut or ut2003 work |
| 10:25.30 | crocd | can you apt-get install multiple packages? |
| 10:25.34 | bob2 | crocd: sure |
| 10:25.43 | yang | I get also this thread root 11898 7.0 0.7 2668 1004 ? S 12:22 0:00 /USR/SBIN/CRON |
| 10:25.47 | jm_ | fairw;sempahores are defined in POSIX standard, then there are non-posix implementations too |
| 10:25.49 | Mardus | stupidLinxuz3r: So you have ATI and you seem to be missing a driver that could enable 3d acceleration on your video card? |
| 10:26.06 | jnc | stupidLinxuz3r: really man, you're not going to get many people willing to jump out of their seat to help you get a closed-source anything working |
| 10:26.08 | bob2 | yang: what's wrong with that? |
| 10:26.13 | alistair | hey |
| 10:26.17 | crocd | bob2: i wasnt sure of the format do you seperate with a space or a comma |
| 10:26.22 | alistair | can i get counter strike steam wined? |
| 10:26.34 | bob2 | crocd: sudo aptitude install foo bar baz |
| 10:26.35 | yaarg | alistair: yes |
| 10:26.39 | alistair | :O |
| 10:26.41 | jnc | alistair: lhl.linuxgames.com i think |
| 10:26.43 | yaarg | alistair: see cedega |
| 10:26.45 | jnc | maybe i got that URL wrong |
| 10:26.48 | crocd | bob2 thanks |
| 10:26.55 | alistair | I have steaminstall_cs.exe, i used wine, it updated steam and i got an error |
| 10:27.03 | gimbal | egh. "xinit: Connection refused (erno 111): unable to connect to X server". why is it not just starting whatever it is supposed to start? any advice could be of help |
| 10:27.11 | alistair | so im thinking of getting the non steam version of my friend (1.3) and just wine from the .exe |
| 10:27.15 | jnc | alistair: hit the goog for "linux half-life" you should find a site all about it, hasn't been updated in years ;) |
| 10:27.16 | Mardus | alistair: If you got a wine error, go to wine.org or smth |
| 10:27.31 | yaarg | alistair: http://www.transgaming.com/products_linux.php |
| 10:27.31 | yang | bob2: shouldnt that be in small letters, not /USR/SBIN/CRON ? |
| 10:27.38 | jm_ | gimbal: when starting X server? |
| 10:27.47 | bob2 | alistair: aiui you need to install cedega |
| 10:27.47 | bob2 | which costs money |
| 10:27.53 | jnc | no man |
| 10:27.59 | alistair | I know >_< |
| 10:28.03 | Mortalman | alistair: Non-steam? That's sounds awesome. Where the hell do you get that? |
| 10:28.05 | jnc | wine from cvs runs counterstrike for half-life |
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| 10:28.07 | gimbal | jm_: I dunno; I'm just running 'startx' then waiting then seeing that message from xinit, ultimatley, then startx exits |
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| 10:28.18 | jnc | unless you were referring to half-life II |
| 10:28.20 | alistair | Mortalman: My friend has the original disc, with 1.0 and a patch to 1.3, still non steam :) |
| 10:28.22 | meri_ | alistair: please leave!!! |
| 10:28.29 | alistair | eh, i aint no warez .. |
| 10:28.30 | bob2 | yang: I dunno, I've seen it caps on a few machines |
| 10:28.45 | Mortalman | alistair: awesome, I hate steam. |
| 10:28.58 | alistair | yeah i heard there was a WineX CVS or something but the server is down |
| 10:29.03 | gimbal | jm_: I'd guess that it's not starting an x server, but heck if I know why or how to make it do so; it worked before this upgrade to x.org. I'm surprised that there's even a problem, here |
| 10:29.04 | alistair | mortalman: got msn? |
| 10:29.05 | jnc | gimbal: try running through a configure, 'X -configure' as root |
| 10:29.05 | jm_ | gimbal: permissions are probably screwed up |
| 10:29.19 | gimbal | jnc: will do |
| 10:29.20 | yang | bob2: but it runs every minute, and i dont have the entry for it...could be hacked |
| 10:29.31 | jm_ | yang: it's always in caps |
| 10:29.52 | gimbal | jnc: 'X -configure' exits, doesn't even produce anything; will check an strace on it |
| 10:29.55 | jnc | gimbal: after it spits out a new config file, edit that file, fix the mouse (usually this is broken after a -configure), then follow the prompt to run X |
| 10:30.05 | bob2 | doesn't cron run every minute to check? |
| 10:30.11 | jnc | gimbal: did you read the output? it tells you about the new config file, man |
| 10:30.44 | jnc | get yer trigger finger off the strace, put it down! now. slide the IO over here. good. i will have my world domination, and X11 too! |
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| 10:31.07 | gimbal | jnc: no output comes from it |
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| 10:31.10 | yang | bob2: and i have like 8 threads with /USR/SBIB/CRON listed |
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| 10:31.18 | jnc | gimbal: oh. no file in /root ? |
| 10:31.27 | gimbal | jnc: didn't look |
| 10:31.51 | gimbal | jnc: nope none |
| 10:31.59 | gimbal | execve("/bin/true", ["X", "-configure"] ... I see in the strace. not sure why true is being called. |
| 10:32.26 | jnc | gimbal: you should try completely removing any X11 packages |
| 10:32.32 | jnc | then installing x-window-system-core |
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| 10:32.42 | jnc | i've heard similar stories |
| 10:32.51 | jnc | doing the full remove and then install fixed it right up |
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| 10:33.29 | meri_ | alistair: please leave! |
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| 10:34.50 | alistair | xchat |
| 10:35.07 | gil | 0.o |
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| 10:35.42 | gimbal | eh, xserver-xorg isnt't installed. go flipping figure. |
| 10:35.48 | jnc | ahh! |
| 10:35.58 | jnc | figured it was something simple, eh? |
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| 10:36.05 | t13b0 | hi all |
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| 10:38.18 | Mortalman | Anyone know how to use swat, because I can't figure out how to get it started. |
| 10:38.19 | Mortalman | ? |
| 10:38.40 | jnc | uhh. perhaps /etc/init.d/swat start |
| 10:38.44 | jnc | that's a guess |
| 10:38.46 | jnc | i don't know for a fact |
| 10:39.34 | Mortalman | doesn't exist. |
| 10:39.39 | gimbal | aptitude keeps unselecting xserver-xorg |
| 10:39.47 | shingouz | Mortalman: out of curiosity, did you install it the debian way? |
| 10:39.49 | gimbal | eh, or not. beg pardon. trying to pass the buck or what |
| 10:40.04 | Mortalman | shingouz: apt-get install swat.... yep |
| 10:40.17 | jnc | no no, he means did you sacrifice a rubber chicken |
| 10:40.25 | shingouz | Mortalman: what does man swat tell you? |
| 10:40.28 | jnc | and tap your left foot three times with a swirl of omnipotence |
| 10:40.30 | meri_ | !chicken |
| 10:40.31 | dpkg | well, chicken is what ody puts his dick into |
| 10:40.38 | Mortalman | jnc: Of course. That goes without saying. heh |
| 10:41.01 | bob2 | Mortalman: it runs out of inetd, presumably |
| 10:41.04 | shingouz | meri_: are you even human? you sound like an annoybot |
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| 10:42.54 | Mortalman | Therein lies the problem. #<off># swat stream...... |
| 10:43.08 | SerajewelKS | does debian have any plans to package winex? |
| 10:43.14 | bob2 | no |
| 10:43.22 | bob2 | because transgaming are whingers |
| 10:43.37 | bob2 | someone tried to, and transgaming said they would take the CVS tree away if it went into Debian |
| 10:43.44 | SerajewelKS | lol |
| 10:44.01 | Mortalman | weird |
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| 10:44.16 | SerajewelKS | if winex is GPLed, we can't just copy their repository? |
| 10:44.19 | bob2 | no |
| 10:44.19 | jnc | same thing happened to Gentoo, transgaming threw a hissy fit when we had ebuilds for it |
| 10:44.21 | bob2 | it's not GPL |
| 10:44.31 | gimbal | anyone know what's up with aptitude's messages about 'untrusted sources'? |
| 10:44.31 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 10:44.35 | bob2 | it's APSL |
| 10:44.41 | jnc | gimbal: *yawn* yeah. |
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| 10:44.43 | bob2 | same as the latest ghostscript |
| 10:44.57 | torc | what is the right way to specify additional sockets for syslogd? edit init.d script manually? |
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| 10:45.02 | gimbal | jnc: well, is there a dpkg keyword to get it explained, or what? |
| 10:45.03 | SerajewelKS | bob2, i take it that APSL is not GPL-compatible |
| 10:45.11 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: yeah |
| 10:45.14 | jm_ | torc: why would you do that? |
| 10:45.16 | Glanzmann | Has anybody experience with pci express nvidia cards using the nvidia driver? |
| 10:45.22 | torc | jm_: for a chrooted daemon. |
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| 10:45.28 | jnc | gimbal: you can look around, basically the later versions (0.6 + ) of apt depend on gnupg for key checking, some thing like that |
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| 10:45.38 | SerajewelKS | bob2, well that sucks... i guess if transgaming wants to be a bitch about it, let 'em |
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| 10:45.54 | jnc | gimbal: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-key BLAHBLAHBLAH12341234... |
| 10:45.59 | jm_ | torc: ahh OK, yes just edit the script |
| 10:46.04 | jnc | then you need to edit the key, change it to be ultimately trusted |
| 10:46.07 | torc | jm_: thanks :) |
| 10:46.12 | jnc | finally export it and import it into apt-key |
| 10:46.47 | Glanzmann | Does somebody know where I get X.org packages for Sarge? |
| 10:47.06 | jm_ | Glanzmann: yes, many people know |
| 10:47.09 | bob2 | people.debian.org/~nobse/ |
| 10:47.29 | gimbal | jnc: ok; isn't there some sort of debian-keyring pakcage? would not be enough to resolve this? |
| 10:47.40 | Ethics | Glanzmann, they are not in sarge and never will be but there are some in unstable if you wish to move to testing/etch |
| 10:48.02 | gimbal | eh, there is, and it's installed, but it isn't enough apparently |
| 10:48.11 | Ethics | Glanzmann, i dont think they are in testing yet but using pinning you should be able to pull them seperately enough |
| 10:48.13 | Glanzmann | Thanks, jm. |
| 10:48.21 | cbr | isn't openoffice.org2-kde in experimental yet? |
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| 10:48.33 | jm_ | Glanzmann: honestly, it's first hit on google |
| 10:48.37 | SerajewelKS | Ethics, that's bad advice. mixing unstable with testing is worse than using unstable. |
| 10:48.42 | jnc | gimbal: oh! yeah that should do it |
| 10:48.43 | bob2 | #debian-oo or #debian-kde might know more |
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| 10:48.50 | SerajewelKS | Ethics, especially when it comes to X.org |
| 10:48.53 | jnc | gimbal: 'apt-key update' |
| 10:48.54 | jnc | maybe |
| 10:49.05 | Dave-B | How should I install the TeX ntheorem package on Debian? |
| 10:49.11 | gimbal | jnc: aha, thank you |
| 10:49.40 | Glanzmann | jm_: I got the message. :-) |
| 10:49.49 | Ethics | SerajewelKS, dunno the maintainer uses it like that ....good enough for me...i did mention hes going to be leaving stable.. |
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| 10:50.06 | gimbal | eehehe. then it says "ERROR: Can't find the archive-keyring \n Is the debian-keyring package installed?" and it sure is |
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| 10:50.35 | bob2 | gpg --recv-key 0x1234 ; gpg --export 0x1234 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 10:51.27 | Ethics | SerajewelKS, having said that im on gnome 2.1 and xorg in etch and alls good. im surprised they didnt go to etch yet.. |
| 10:52.00 | gimbal | bob2: I appreciate the help, but I have zero idea what that would be doing. what is the 0X1234 about? |
| 10:52.05 | Glanzmann | .wg 2 |
| 10:52.13 | meri_ | !root |
| 10:52.14 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 10:52.37 | bob2 | gimbal: the keyid it's complaining about |
| 10:52.39 | yoo | hi all ! |
| 10:53.14 | gimbal | bob2: ok; something will have to be configured for a key-server for that to work, no? |
| 10:53.19 | gil | what group does X/Xorg belong to? |
| 10:53.19 | alistair | lmao, complaining about hi all |
| 10:53.19 | alistair | xD |
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| 10:53.44 | bob2 | gil: www.x.org |
| 10:53.47 | Glanzmann | jm_: What is the package name for apt? |
| 10:53.47 | Ethics | why would aptitude insist on removing a heap of applications after i apt-get install alsa-utils but before alsa-utils is installed and after removing it it seems fine..... |
| 10:53.50 | bob2 | aka mostly freedesktop.org |
| 10:53.53 | bob2 | Glanzmann: apt |
| 10:54.02 | bob2 | gimbal: gpg, yes |
| 10:54.06 | Glanzmann | Btw, is there already a way to check the signure using apt when downloading and installing new packages fully automated? |
| 10:54.22 | Glanzmann | bob2: I am talking about the name of the xorg package. |
| 10:54.23 | gimbal | bob2: Ok. I'm guessint that's what was mentioned in the debian-keyrings package README; thanks |
| 10:54.29 | jm_ | Glanzmann: did you go to the site and read? http://www.inittab.de/blog/2005/07/14#20050713_xorg-backport-updated |
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| 10:54.34 | Glanzmann | xserver-xorg |
| 10:54.39 | bob2 | Glanzmann: x-window-system is what you want |
| 10:54.41 | gil | bob2: I mean how can I adda user to be able to run x server |
| 10:54.44 | meri_ | hi alistair are u quiet friendly? |
| 10:54.46 | Glanzmann | jm_: Not uet. |
| 10:54.48 | bob2 | the sevrer itself is in xserver-xorg |
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| 10:54.53 | colter | It seems as though the debian installer can't find my SATA drive. Can somebody point my to the right direction? |
| 10:55.06 | rAz__ | i managed to solve my problem sound. thanks at all. |
| 10:55.11 | rAz__ | for unhelped :) |
| 10:55.21 | jm_ | colter: did you booting 2.6 kernel? |
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| 10:55.27 | colter | jm_: yes |
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| 10:56.03 | jm_ | colter: well is it supported by Linux kernel? |
| 10:56.06 | Ethics | what chipset sata? |
| 10:56.12 | colter | ich7 |
| 10:56.26 | jnc | colter: use a 2.6.12 kernel |
| 10:56.36 | jnc | also, optical sata drive is no-go |
| 10:56.37 | Ethics | modprobe ata-piix in the second console |
| 10:56.39 | jnc | i could not get mine working |
| 10:56.46 | gimbal | I'm not at an x console, will not even try to check with w3m. Just a question: is this gpg fun of debian possibly disucssed anywhere at debianplanet.org ? |
| 10:56.54 | jnc | (i know it's possible to support, as it works fine on an Ubuntu install) |
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| 10:57.15 | Ethics | piix are very quirky sometimes the ata-piix and piix drivers for ide/sata clash |
| 10:57.22 | bob2 | gimbal: unlikely |
| 10:57.27 | jnc | the Debian kernels i've tried for amd64 and 2.6.12 have some setting disabled for ATAPI and SATA |
| 10:57.32 | bob2 | just run the command I gave you |
| 10:57.35 | gimbal | bob2: hm. It might be in a debian manual? |
| 10:57.57 | gimbal | bob2: well, I figure it's a fine command, but y'know, I have qualms about running commands that I don't understand the goings of |
| 10:57.58 | BNE | i hate asking this, but google didn't help me: where do i set the PATH for all users (init-script...?) again? |
| 10:57.58 | bob2 | did the solutI presented not work? |
| 10:58.02 | bob2 | so |
| 10:58.04 | jm_ | colter: might need newer kernel |
| 10:58.05 | bob2 | run man gpg |
| 10:58.08 | jnc | BNE: possibly /etc/profile |
| 10:58.15 | bob2 | and note that the commands I gave you download and export a key |
| 10:58.16 | gimbal | big help. thanks. |
| 10:58.27 | bob2 | and the apt-key one, which tells you that apt-key add adds a key to the trusted DB |
| 10:58.38 | BNE | jnc: yes, there it is. thank you. |
| 10:58.39 | Gavrila | #programming |
| 10:58.45 | bob2 | you only need to trust your manpages, binaries and the output of the error |
| 10:58.52 | Ethics | colter, ata-piix can be very quirky....youl also need the new alsa drivers later on for it... |
| 10:59.05 | Gavrila | could anyone point me to a linux-programming channel? |
| 10:59.12 | gimbal | bob2: yeah; I was hoping for something official on the Debian side, enough to bookmark about this, enough to send the bookmark to anyone who might need to know about it also. Just wondering if it's in a manual, then. ALso, I'm hoping tolearn more about what's up with Debian's keyring/key-server setup |
| 10:59.18 | Ethics | colter, modprobe ata-piix on the second consle of the installer do anything? |
| 10:59.56 | jm_ | I thought sata modules are called sata_foo |
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| 11:01.08 | Ethics | jm_ not rule just tendency |
| 11:01.21 | bob2 | dpkg: add apt key is "gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys <keyid> ; gpg --export <keyid> | sudo apt-key add -", where <keyid> is the id apt is complaining about |
| 11:01.22 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, bob2 |
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| 11:01.42 | Ethics | jm_ piix is a combo chip does pata &sata |
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| 11:01.51 | jm_ | Ethics: yeah I see now ata_piix.c which is for ICH5 |
| 11:01.51 | spiekey | hello! |
| 11:02.14 | spiekey | is this bug fixed in the debian package now or not? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322591 |
| 11:02.17 | jm_ | Ethics: apparently newer ones are handled by AHCI module |
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| 11:02.39 | Ethics | jm_ i have a ich 6/7 too sucks sometimes but good after setup |
| 11:02.46 | mithro | what debian package has Compress/Zlib.pm in it? |
| 11:03.08 | Ethics | jm_ i think sound on the same bridge too now |
| 11:03.25 | bob2 | spiekey: no |
| 11:03.28 | bob2 | !+find Zlib.pm |
| 11:03.31 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 11:03.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Zlib.pm' (2): (/usr/share/perl5/IO/Zlib.pm) in perl/libio-zlib-perl ;; (/usr/lib/perl5/Compress/Zlib.pm) in perl/libcompress-zlib-perl. |
| 11:03.55 | jm_ | Ethics: doesn't bother me, I won't buy Intel based systems anytime soon ;) |
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| 11:04.11 | Ethics | jm_ im looking amd 64 next i thinmk |
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| 11:04.28 | bob2 | pity nvidia won't document their silly sata chipset |
| 11:04.34 | bob2 | no TCQ 4 u! |
| 11:06.21 | spiekey | bob2: any idea why? i mean its easy to patch, and quite a bad bug. |
| 11:07.15 | Ethics | spiekey, email the maintainer....they will chat 8) |
| 11:08.22 | bob2 | dunno |
| 11:08.35 | bob2 | I'd follow up to the bug and ask what was up |
| 11:09.09 | colter | Ethics, jm_ : Sorry for not replying, my boss called me away |
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| 11:09.53 | colter | Ethics, jm_: I disabled(?) SATA in the BIOS, installer works fine this way |
| 11:10.01 | colter | I'll compile a new kernel after install |
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| 11:10.52 | jm_ | colter: but does it detect your drive? |
| 11:10.53 | Genien | Is here anybody who speeks german? |
| 11:10.54 | jm_ | Ethics: same here |
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| 11:11.09 | colter | jm_: after disabling SATA, it works fine |
| 11:11.14 | spiekey | bob2: hehe, ok, thx |
| 11:11.15 | jm_ | bob2: only ultra version of their chipset have NCQ anyway |
| 11:11.19 | bassM | which apache module dynamically generates the directory listing I see by default? |
| 11:11.21 | jm_ | colter: that's strange |
| 11:11.38 | Ethics | colter, cool once its installed you can play...i had success in 2 ways...compiling the cdrom into the kernel with ata piix and hoping it loaded in the right order and randomly changing kernel images till one worked...its something in the "QUIRKS.c" file apparently |
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| 11:12.45 | streuner | !de |
| 11:12.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 11:29.38 | Mardus | gentoothreefour: When did you buy your AMD64 computer? |
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| 11:30.18 | jnc | Mardus: are you interested in purchasing one yourself? |
| 11:30.58 | FabParma | how can i print on a ms shared printer in the lan? |
| 11:31.02 | gentoothreefour | Mardus: why |
| 11:32.03 | ircdevil | !faq FabParma |
| 11:32.04 | dpkg | FabParma: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 11:37.17 | FlopsyPete | is it possible to go back to a prior question in the auto mode Debian Installer. the only way I've figured to do it is to cancel and revert to manual mode but then I don't know how to get back to auto mode |
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| 11:39.22 | jnc | FlopsyPete: i know what you're saying, and i don't know the answer |
| 11:40.22 | FlopsyPete | perhaps it can't be done |
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| 11:42.40 | Mardus | gentoothreefour: The question relates to new hardware to which there are no drivers developed yet. |
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| 11:43.21 | gentoothreefour | two months ago |
| 11:43.26 | gentoothreefour | yes |
| 11:43.30 | gentoothreefour | two months ago |
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| 11:45.54 | Mardus | gentoothreefour: Right. You don't have to repeat yourself. I am thinking that it probably takes four more months to develop a free software driver for that. Until then, you could enjoy buyer's remorse. |
| 11:46.26 | gentoothreefour | problem is the hardware has been released earlier |
| 11:46.27 | diod | Hi all .. how can we bind ports to reserved ones ? |
| 11:46.30 | nicknicknick | hi, I get a mysql "too many connections" error .. Debian sarge and mysql 4. How can I raise the max connections? |
| 11:46.48 | Noidster | when i try to login using kdm, instead of starting kde, i go back to the kdm greeting screen, i can't find any errors in the X log, where do i look? |
| 11:46.59 | eye69 | diod: By being root. |
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| 11:47.08 | Mardus | gentoothreefour: That's not the point. If you buy a brand new computer, the hardware for it is new, too. It's usual that you'd have to wait anyway until a free sofware driver appears for it. |
| 11:47.14 | diod | eye69, I'd like to do it as a normal user |
| 11:47.32 | gentoothreefour | there is on already |
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| 11:47.37 | gentoothreefour | but not xorg compatible |
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| 11:47.47 | Mardus | gentoothreefour: Well, that's the point. |
| 11:47.48 | gentoothreefour | its xfree86 compatible |
| 11:48.13 | Mardus | gentoothreefour: Alternatively, you could search from x.org related sites for this driver. |
| 11:48.16 | gentoothreefour | that means i have to install xfree86 myself |
| 11:48.17 | eye69 | diod: Then you need CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE |
| 11:48.27 | gentoothreefour | which might be hard |
| 11:48.28 | diod | eye69, where can I change it ? |
| 11:48.34 | eye69 | diod: I'm not sure. |
| 11:48.35 | Mardus | gentoothreefour: Which system you have, I assume, gentoo, right? |
| 11:48.44 | gentoothreefour | yes |
| 11:48.48 | gentoothreefour | no ebuild for that |
| 11:48.55 | eye69 | diod: Why do you have to bind as a user? Why do you need to bind below 1024? |
| 11:49.32 | diod | eye69, I want to listen to my firewall logs on udp/514 from time to time |
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| 11:49.51 | Guerin | diod: why that port specifically? |
| 11:49.56 | diod | eye69, so I just want to plug netcat when I need to |
| 11:50.04 | Guerin | diod: make it 5140 and be happy |
| 11:50.04 | eye69 | Guerin: syslog probably |
| 11:50.16 | diod | Guerin, coz this port is the one used by syslog |
| 11:50.21 | Guerin | i see |
| 11:50.43 | Guerin | use iptables to reroute it? A bit of a hassle |
| 11:50.43 | Mardus | gentoothreefour: Now, Debian 3.1 Sarge only has XFree86 4.3, but all that is stable. Testing does have X.org, but it's in heavy development and probably not very reliable. |
| 11:50.43 | Guerin | .. |
| 11:50.49 | spo0nman | how do i replace all occurances of x with a newline in vim? |
| 11:50.59 | eye69 | Or use sudo to launch netcat. |
| 11:51.01 | Guerin | Mardus: he uses gentoo, he doesn't care about stability. |
| 11:51.12 | Mardus | Guerin: I figured, too. |
| 11:51.19 | dimir | :-) |
| 11:51.28 | eye69 | spo0nman: :%s/x/\n/g |
| 11:51.29 | diod | eye69, I'd prefer to avoid it |
| 11:51.38 | egg|crash | h i a l l |
| 11:51.39 | Glanzmann | spo0nman: :%s/x/^V^M/g |
| 11:51.44 | eye69 | diod: It would be the easiest way. |
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| 11:52.18 | diod | eye69, I used to do it on Woody, no pb and with the current testing, the security setting went higher ! |
| 11:52.22 | eye69 | Either that, or as Guerin said, redirect with iptables. |
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| 11:52.58 | eye69 | diod: That doesn't sound right. That security thing has been in effect for literally _ages_. |
| 11:53.06 | Mardus | gentoothreefour: You can try a distro that has X.org and that supports your ATI card. You'll have to do research for that... Look into x.org site, check if any of its versions suppor your video card. Then look for distros that have that X.org version/build. |
| 11:53.26 | diod | eye69, but then, how could I do it on the laptop where I use Woody ? |
| 11:53.42 | eye69 | diod: Sounds very weird. |
| 11:53.49 | gentoothreefour | ok thanks Mardus ube been a good help |
| 11:53.53 | gentoothreefour | time to play |
| 11:53.54 | gentoothreefour | later |
| 11:54.17 | spo0nman | eye69, GlenneMannen: both do not work. |
| 11:54.21 | jnc | so uh, what to do if lots of packages are missing from my arch? |
| 11:54.28 | diod | eye69, one minute : I'm going to check the laptop again .. |
| 11:54.38 | dimir | anyhow, apt-build could be of a help too. |
| 11:54.38 | streuner | !xorg sarge |
| 11:54.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 11:54.48 | jnc | i see quite a few packages in unstable that are missing from amd64, but they exist for i386 and powerpc |
| 11:54.57 | Mardus | streuner: I know about that. |
| 11:54.58 | dimir | there you go with the backport |
| 11:55.13 | jnc | should i uh, build them and throw onto a server for others, or harass the package mantainers |
| 11:55.17 | jnc | :) |
| 11:55.23 | Mardus | dimir: I won't be using x.org on debian for a looooooong time. |
| 11:55.35 | streuner | Mardus: well, so respect the info next time |
| 11:55.52 | Mardus | streuner: I respect that info now anyway. |
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| 11:56.28 | spo0nman | GlenneMannen's version works. |
| 11:56.31 | dimir | Mardus: why is that? |
| 11:56.47 | Mardus | dimir: Why not using x.org? |
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| 11:57.07 | dimir | Mardus: yep |
| 11:57.30 | Mardus | dimir: Because I use an old computer. |
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| 11:58.12 | Mardus | dimir: And I'll be using stable stuff mostly, not testing. |
| 11:58.18 | dimir | Mardus: Oh, I see. |
| 11:58.45 | dimir | Mardus: yeah, not to mention unstable. :-P |
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| 11:59.47 | jethro | !annoy ice_1963 |
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| 12:00.39 | diod | eye69, you were right ! |
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| 12:01.12 | eye69 | imang1: 'apt-get clean' |
| 12:01.13 | diod | eye69, can't bind on 514 when not root on the laptop |
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| 12:01.37 | nevyn | diod: that's right |
| 12:01.43 | nevyn | diod: stupid restriction |
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| 12:02.01 | nevyn | diod: hangover from when most systems were multiuser |
| 12:02.14 | nevyn | you didn't want some user hijacking bind when it died. |
| 12:02.18 | nevyn | or sendmail |
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| 12:04.05 | Mardus | At least gentoothreefour thanked me for advice and indicated he'd be away from here. |
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| 12:04.31 | snorks | Hi. How do I add a package.deb so that I can install it? |
| 12:04.48 | snorks | It's kmuddy which I've downloaded from the internet. |
| 12:04.48 | Mardus | snorks: You mean, how do you download it? |
| 12:05.03 | snorks | Mardus: It was not in my repositories/soruce.lkust |
| 12:05.14 | ice_1963 | dpkg -i |
| 12:05.15 | Mardus | snorks: So I understand you've downloaded it? |
| 12:05.18 | snorks | Mardus: I'm using Ubuntu |
| 12:05.22 | snorks | Mardus: That's correct |
| 12:05.23 | eye69 | imang1: I'd prefer it if you didn't message me. |
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| 12:06.15 | Mardus | snorks: as superuser, in console, go to directory where you downloaded the package, then dpkg -i whateverpackagenameyouhavethere.deb |
| 12:06.17 | diod | nevyn, in fact, I prefer it being secure BUT then, I would like to be able to allow one noraml user to do just that |
| 12:06.29 | ice_1963 | uninstall ubuntu and install DEBIAN |
| 12:06.42 | snorks | Mardus: gotcha. but it was i386, im on amd64 |
| 12:06.43 | ice_1963 | :0) |
| 12:06.45 | diod | nevyn, without adding him/her to the root group |
| 12:06.46 | snorks | Mardus: :/ |
| 12:06.49 | HeavenWarrior | can someone tell me how to run fglrx support easier, because everytime trying to configure my xorg.conf i get error with loading xserver |
| 12:06.57 | HeavenWarrior | i'm using debian with xorg |
| 12:07.15 | jethro | diod: use sudo then |
| 12:07.32 | Mardus | snorks: amd64 is 32-bit backwards-compatible. Somone here said earlier that amd64 is i386 compat. |
| 12:07.52 | diod | jethro, maybe the CAP thing eye69 talked about can do the trick .. |
| 12:07.58 | snorks | Mardus: so i can run kmuddy without chrooting? anyway, do i just change the name of the package.deb? |
| 12:08.09 | snorks | Mardus: from i386 to amd64? |
| 12:08.10 | Mardus | snorks: Why change the package name? |
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| 12:08.16 | Mardus | snorks: You shouldn't need to. |
| 12:08.17 | snorks | Mardus: sec |
| 12:08.19 | jethro | diod: sudo would be easier imho |
| 12:08.22 | Mardus | snorks: I think... |
| 12:08.25 | snorks | Mardus: package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) |
| 12:08.43 | Mardus | snorks: Is the package there available in amd64 flavour? |
| 12:08.56 | flok420 | s/flavour/version/g |
| 12:08.57 | snorks | Mardus: I couldn't find it on their download section at least |
| 12:08.58 | diod | jethro, ok .. |
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| 12:10.04 | jethro | diod: CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE requires a LIDS ready kernel |
| 12:10.16 | Mardus | snorks: Well, if I knew how to do that, I'd get the source and compile it for amd64 myself, then make it an unofficial pakcage and then put it to some public server and let others download, install and test (and try to have a grab of it). |
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| 12:11.41 | diod | jethro, do you have a neat link about that ? |
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| 12:11.51 | jethro | diod: about what? |
| 12:12.12 | diod | jethro, about CAPs and so on |
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| 12:12.37 | spiekey | hi |
| 12:12.44 | jethro | diod: http://www.google.com/search?q=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE |
| 12:13.00 | diod | jethro: ok, :) |
| 12:13.11 | spiekey | whats the package for the Java virtual machine called? there is a lot of java in my search output ;) |
| 12:13.23 | FlopsyPete | how do I view a section of a man page, i.e. debconf(7)? |
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| 12:13.34 | eye69 | jethro: Or grsec, I gather. |
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| 12:14.30 | diod | jethro, modules forbidden for LIDS to work :( |
| 12:14.43 | diod | Ok, I'll stick to sudo for now |
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| 12:16.21 | diod | eye69, jethro, thanks for evrything :) |
| 12:16.22 | jethro | eye69: AFAICT, CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE in grsex is part of the RBAC stuff. it's not as complex in LIDS iirc. |
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| 12:20.48 | deepan | what is syndicate ? |
| 12:21.01 | greycat | an english word |
| 12:21.08 | amonk | :) |
| 12:21.17 | jethro | an old game! |
| 12:21.22 | amonk | the mob |
| 12:21.26 | jnc | whooooo. debian unstable amd64... it's coming together; qjackctl installed finally after some updates today |
| 12:21.31 | greycat | @dict syndicate |
| 12:21.32 | jnc | now i can get back to doing recording :) |
| 12:21.33 | jnc | yay |
| 12:21.35 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'syndicate' (1 of 12): Aktiengesellschaft, Black Hand, British Cabinet, Cosa Nostra, Mafia, Sanhedrin, US Cabinet, add, advisory body, affiliate, aktiebolag, ally, amalgamate, assembly, assimilate, associate, association, bench, black market, blend, bloc, board, body corporate, body of advisers, bootlegging, borough council, brain trust, business, ... |
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| 12:22.29 | amonk | deepan, you probably mean with regard to RSS, no? |
| 12:22.56 | ttj | I need a particular driver in order to get debian-installer to recognize my SATA-disks. The driver is called "ahci", but I can't find a bootCD/disk that supports it. Any tips? |
| 12:23.04 | dimir | wow, a dictionary! |
| 12:23.09 | jnc | hey uh, what's the debian way to build a kernel that has the exact same configuration as one from the archives, and change like one line of source code in the kernel |
| 12:23.15 | jnc | i mean, the change i have to make is so tiny |
| 12:23.23 | greycat | dimir: apt-get install dict |
| 12:23.25 | jm_ | ttj: newer 2.6 kernels support it |
| 12:23.39 | greycat | jnc: /msg dpkg kp |
| 12:23.40 | jnc | when i've tried "the debian way" before, i end up with some crazy versioning symbol mismatches |
| 12:23.43 | ttj | jm_: 2.6.8 obviously doesn't. |
| 12:23.44 | jnc | i don't know why |
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| 12:23.56 | jm_ | ttj: it's rather old |
| 12:24.00 | ttj | jm_: or it isn't compiled in the install-cds kernel... |
| 12:24.15 | ttj | jm_: thing is, fedora finds it fine (2.6.11), ubuntus breezy-kernel (2.6.12) doesn't. |
| 12:24.16 | jchaoul | slashdot is down |
| 12:24.24 | ttj | and I haven't found a more recent kernel for debian installers |
| 12:24.30 | ttj | how do I solve that? |
| 12:24.33 | jm_ | ttj: tried loading it manually? |
| 12:24.34 | greycat | jchaoul: yay! |
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| 12:24.38 | ttj | jm_: yeah |
| 12:24.40 | jm_ | ttj: and? |
| 12:24.43 | jchaoul | hehehe greycat |
| 12:24.48 | ttj | jm_: module not found :) |
| 12:24.52 | jnc | greycat: i guess i'm asking what y'all do to make the --append-to-name and such options roll better. i have trouble figuring out how to mimic an offical debian kernel's versioning info |
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| 12:25.02 | amonk | try using less "new" hardware with debian. that's a known. |
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| 12:25.12 | greycat | jnc: I've never used --append-to-name, nor do I know what it's for. |
| 12:25.19 | jnc | oh okay |
| 12:25.20 | jm_ | ttj: well then - you can't just replace the kernel, you also need its accompanied modules |
| 12:25.28 | jnc | greycat: maybe i'm doing it a different way then |
| 12:25.32 | jnc | i was using make-kpkg |
| 12:25.32 | ttj | jm_: well of course... |
| 12:25.38 | jnc | is that different? |
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| 12:25.50 | ttj | jm_: I was talking about ubuntus installer.. nevermind that, that was just to illustrate |
| 12:25.51 | jethro | ttj: you can build your own flavor of debian installer, with a newer kernel |
| 12:25.55 | ttj | hmm |
| 12:25.58 | ttj | jethro: how? |
| 12:26.09 | greycat | jnc: make-kpkg --version=jnc.1 --initrd --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image |
| 12:26.15 | jethro | ttj: /m dpkg custom d-i |
| 12:26.22 | deepan | amonk: what has syndicate got to do in a website.. |
| 12:26.26 | ttj | jethro: thanks :) |
| 12:26.35 | jnc | greycat: looks like about what i've been doing, minus a few funky things i found in the man page |
| 12:26.38 | jnc | thanks |
| 12:26.54 | Ethics | jnc : thats the right way...its a combination of append to and version numbers i think...i got close once but never cared enough to get it right...a name is a name as long as i know what it is |
| 12:27.01 | deepan | amonk: wrt to RSS ,, |
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| 12:27.05 | jethro | ttj: you're welcome |
| 12:27.09 | streuner | greycat: you ever was more than 24 hours offline (i-net)? |
| 12:27.11 | jnc | there's module-assistant, i thought perhaps that there would be kernel-assistant ;) |
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| 12:28.08 | san | How can i change the default runlevel of a debian system? |
| 12:28.08 | jm_ | ttj: ahh ok, so you just need to build a custom kernel like stated above |
| 12:28.10 | Ethics | jnc nah kpkg is da bomb |
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| 12:28.23 | ttj | jm_: I'd think so... well, actually, I only need that one module |
| 12:28.43 | ttj | seems like a bit clumsy to have to rebuild the entire kernel for just one module ;) |
| 12:28.44 | mortalman | Anyone having problems setting a static IP in sarge. I get crazy errors when I try anything but dhcp. |
| 12:28.45 | mortalman | ? |
| 12:28.45 | san | i dont want to boot in to GDM? |
| 12:28.46 | jnc | what's the functional difference between apt-get source kernel-image-somethingsomething and apt-get install kernel-source-somethingsomething |
| 12:28.48 | jm_ | ttj: much easier to just use entirely new kernel |
| 12:28.50 | bob2 | san: that won't help |
| 12:28.54 | streuner | san: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 12:29.01 | bob2 | san: just stop it running in one of the runlevels, and boot into that |
| 12:29.03 | ttj | jm_: Hmm, ok.. |
| 12:29.06 | sep | mortalman, man interfaces, and i'v never had issues that was not my typoes |
| 12:29.17 | ttj | jm_: thanks to you too :) |
| 12:29.38 | mortalman | sep: Me either. This is so weird. I've never had issues either. |
| 12:29.40 | jm_ | jnc: the first puts it in current dir, the second puts it where the maintainer decided it has to go |
| 12:29.43 | jm_ | ttj: no worries |
| 12:29.59 | jnc | jm_: would you suggest one over the other? are they both with debian patches? |
| 12:30.07 | jnc | i'm trying to get as close to the kernel i have installed |
| 12:30.13 | jnc | this hardware is super finicky |
| 12:30.31 | jm_ | jnc: go with source one |
| 12:30.36 | jnc | 'k |
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| 12:30.45 | jm_ | apt-get source that is ;) |
| 12:31.05 | Ethics | jnc: debian keeps the config for the kernel it uses in /boot you can use that to start a new kernel mod |
| 12:31.08 | OSuKaRu | hi everyone |
| 12:31.36 | Ethics | OMG its full of "source" |
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| 12:31.57 | amonk | jnc, buildkern ... http://pastebin.com/342954 ... I have not used it in a while, so beware, but it should be pretty instructional at least. :-) |
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| 12:32.56 | OSuKaRu | someone knows how config the ALSA driver? |
| 12:33.05 | jnc | give it to me... now DNS resolver... NOW I COMMAND YE RESOLVER. *kick wrt54g dnsmasq* |
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| 12:33.21 | streuner | OsRo: What does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 12:33.39 | streuner | OSuKaRu: What does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 12:33.43 | jnc | OSuKaRu: in recent 2.6.x kernels and Debian Sarge, it wants you to load the kernel module then autoconfigures the rest, more or less |
| 12:33.50 | amonk | deepna, just google "rss rdf syndicate" |
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| 12:34.11 | mortalman | sep: Yeah, weird. I get: SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable. \n Failed to bring up eth0. |
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| 12:34.17 | bob2 | heh, I ended up running a seperate internal cachine dns server |
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| 12:34.19 | jnc | OSuKaRu: also note that you could try modprobe'ing snd-pcm-oss and snd-seq-oss |
| 12:34.19 | OsRo | ? |
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| 12:34.33 | mortalman | wtf is a SIOCADDRT ? |
| 12:34.35 | OSuKaRu | Linux version 2.4.18-686 (herbert@gondolin) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)) #1 Sun Apr 14 11:32:47 EST 2002 |
| 12:34.36 | streuner | OsRo: wrong nick, sorry |
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| 12:34.47 | OsRo | ok |
| 12:34.50 | jnc | bob2: you know exactly what i'm jumping up and down in a wizard's robe about waving a stick, then |
| 12:34.52 | greycat | mortalman: a failure when you were trying to ADD a RouTe |
| 12:34.55 | streuner | OSuKaRu: upgrade to sarge |
| 12:34.59 | OSuKaRu | jnc Linux version 2.4.18-686 (herbert@gondolin) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)) #1 Sun Apr 14 11:32:47 EST 2002 |
| 12:35.09 | amonk | OSuKaRu, try "alsa-config" or "dpkg-reconfigure" the package. |
| 12:35.10 | jnc | OSuKaRu: try a 2.6.x kernel, trust me on that |
| 12:35.10 | bob2 | jnc: hah, the bigger problem for me is the conntrack table filling up |
| 12:35.12 | OSuKaRu | wha?! |
| 12:35.14 | streuner | OSuKaRu: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 12:35.19 | sep | mortalman, typo in the network line in interfaces perhaps ? |
| 12:35.20 | greycat | OSuKaRu: sounds like a woody kernel. |
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| 12:35.32 | mortalman | greycat: I get this when trying to specify a static I as I have always done. |
| 12:35.40 | mortalman | sep: No typos. |
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| 12:35.42 | greycat | mortalman: you have a misconfiguration. |
| 12:36.13 | OSuKaRu | yes, greycat . its woody |
| 12:36.17 | mortalman | If I could figure out how to past in bitchx I'd show you.... it's perfect. |
| 12:36.20 | streuner | OSuKaRu: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 12:36.49 | mortalman | although my spelling of paste isn't. |
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| 12:38.28 | HayArms | Guys , I've a problem with firefox in Sarge |
| 12:38.54 | HayArms | It doesn't download any file |
| 12:38.56 | mortalman | HayArms: That's awesome. |
| 12:39.18 | HayArms | Mmm, I don't think so :/ |
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| 12:39.42 | skinny | hi you'all! Installing the ner ATI driver on my debian testing everything is well. But kde freeze on splashimage... If I try to use just X - it's run good but if I start xscreensaver freeze too! anyone has any idea? |
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| 12:39.55 | HayArms | When I try to download a file with firefox it says or : "Complete" or "Transferring from ...." |
| 12:40.17 | mortalman | weird |
| 12:40.21 | HayArms | No dialog box appears asking me if I want to download the file and where |
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| 12:40.33 | amonk | use wget |
| 12:40.39 | jnc | HayArms: configuration option |
| 12:40.50 | madduck | i am having trouble getting Postscript fonts (.pfb/.afm) to work with gs. is there anyone here who can lend me a hand? |
| 12:40.52 | HayArms | I tried also to reset the configuration files |
| 12:40.53 | jnc | it defaults to the Gnome desktop, i suppose |
| 12:41.08 | jnc | you gotta tell it to ask you |
| 12:41.12 | HayArms | the first file I download works |
| 12:41.14 | jnc | in the preferences |
| 12:41.18 | OSuKaRu | amonk . What command do you say?! |
| 12:41.20 | HayArms | The second fails |
| 12:41.22 | madduck | i've put the files into a directory, run type1inst in that dir, then added it to $GS_LIB or $GS_FONTPATH |
| 12:41.28 | HayArms | I already tried |
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| 12:41.31 | HayArms | No use jnc :( |
| 12:41.33 | madduck | when i start prfont.ps in gs, DoFont can load the font |
| 12:41.35 | OSuKaRu | dosn't exist |
| 12:41.39 | mortalman | HayArms: 1) apt-get remove mozilla-firefox 2) dpkg --purge mozilla-firefox 3) apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 12:41.46 | madduck | but when i load a PS file using the font, it says it can't find it. |
| 12:42.10 | HayArms | I try mortalman |
| 12:42.12 | amonk | OSuKaRu, about what, alsa? |
| 12:42.12 | saloxin | mortalman: known bug? |
| 12:42.12 | OSuKaRu | jnc . What you said before? |
| 12:42.15 | mathieu_ | mortalman, what about the file in the home dir? |
| 12:42.40 | jnc | OSuKaRu: i don't remember. oh, are you on a 2.6.x linux kernel? |
| 12:42.44 | mortalman | beats me, That's just how I would fix it. |
| 12:43.15 | jnc | greycat: hey, would it kill me to disable devfs ? |
| 12:43.28 | mortalman | I used to be an AOL Tech. If I couldn't fix it, then rip it all out and put in a fresh copy... after that it's to the computer manufacturer with you. lol |
| 12:43.29 | amonk | no |
| 12:43.31 | SerajewelKS | mortalman, what does 'apt-get remove' do that 'dpkg --purge' doesn't? |
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| 12:43.56 | mortalman | SerajewelKS: --purge removes config files too. |
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| 12:44.02 | saloxin | heh |
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| 12:44.09 | SerajewelKS | mortalman, i know that. why do you need to 'apt-get remove' first? |
| 12:44.19 | HayArms | That doesn't work :( |
| 12:44.34 | lagoan | where do I find the source code of the program that put up the login screen? |
| 12:44.51 | amonk | put em together... apt-get --purge remove foo |
| 12:45.28 | OSuKaRu | jnc . no, im on a 1.4.X |
| 12:45.30 | amonk | deb-src line in sources.list |
| 12:45.34 | OSuKaRu | amonkyes. About something like dkpg._. |
| 12:45.39 | lagoan | amonk, i thought it should be apt-get remove foo --purge |
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| 12:46.13 | amonk | lagoan, i think if u want an error, sure. ;-) |
| 12:46.16 | OSuKaRu | ? |
| 12:46.20 | jnc | OSuKaRu: it would be possible to have sound working on your computer, however the easy thing to do is make sure you are using a box that has Debian Sarge and that it is updated |
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| 12:46.35 | jnc | especially to be sure that you are using a 2.6.x series linux kernel |
| 12:46.38 | amonk | OSuKaRu, I don't understand what u are asking me. sorry. try again. |
| 12:46.47 | bernouli | i install qmailadmin, but i get blank page if i clik any links. anyone has solution to this? |
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| 12:47.19 | bernouli | any else good solution? |
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| 12:47.35 | amonk | sure, use sendmail. :) |
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| 12:48.29 | SerajewelKS | Mortalman, what |
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| 12:48.43 | Mortalman | My /etc/network/interfaces DID, in fact, have a typo. |
| 12:48.54 | lagoan | amonk, both seems to work. |
| 12:48.56 | amonk | shit happens |
| 12:48.58 | zulkifar | Hi. I have an ATI graphic card Radeon 7000/VE and compiled kernel's default radeon DRI driver but when I run X drm doesn't load: "drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999)". Where is the problem? |
| 12:48.59 | nicknicknick | you suck |
| 12:49.14 | amonk | lagoan, okay, then u have taught me something. Thanks. :-) |
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| 12:49.33 | streuner | zulkifar: does it work with an official kernel? |
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| 12:49.54 | flexy | I'm trying to enable WEP on my WLAN... I got the wlan0 interface up just like without encryption, AP shows that connection is up, but nothing moves thru. No pings, nothing. What might be wrong, where to look for the problem? |
| 12:50.01 | streuner | zulkifar: misreaded you question... |
| 12:50.02 | lagoan | where do I find the source code of the program that put up the login screen? anyone? |
| 12:50.11 | Silensius | zulkifar are you Turkish ? |
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| 12:50.55 | amonk | lagoan, put a deb-src line in your /etc/apt/sources.list file and d/l the src package. |
| 12:51.02 | zulkifar | Silensius: why? :) |
| 12:51.28 | lagoan | amonk, what's d/l? |
| 12:51.32 | Silensius | my soons name's also Zulfikar :) |
| 12:51.34 | amonk | download |
| 12:52.02 | lagoan | amonk, but which source package? |
| 12:52.05 | amonk | maybe I should have said apt-get it. |
| 12:52.22 | mkl1525 | Hi! Are there any ulimits for the www-data user that apache runs under? Got a failure that seems to be caused by a limit setting that doesn't apply to the root user but to www-data |
| 12:52.25 | amonk | to whatever program u use to display that screen. |
| 12:52.29 | halmetti | what's wrong if installed freezes before installer have even started? freezes on "ramdisk: compressed image found at block 0" |
| 12:52.42 | halmetti | installed=installer |
| 12:52.45 | amonk | there are half a dozen for X, and half a dozen for text console. |
| 12:52.50 | amonk | what are u using? |
| 12:52.52 | streuner | halmetti: netinstall CD? |
| 12:53.02 | zulkifar | Silensius: fun :) Actually, there is cool musical band called 'Secret Chiefs 3'. Their music based/realted on Eastern melodies. On 2 their albums there are 2 or 3 songs called either "Zulkifar" or "Zulfiqar". |
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| 12:53.16 | halmetti | streuner yes sarge netinst cd |
| 12:53.26 | streuner | halmetti: What CPU do you have? |
| 12:53.31 | Silensius | how can i get it freely :) |
| 12:53.34 | zulkifar | Silensius: I like the band thats why my nick :) |
| 12:53.45 | lagoan | amonk, that's what I am asking for. this kde login screen. how to know the name of the program? |
| 12:53.46 | Silensius | send one track |
| 12:53.49 | halmetti | streuner: amd k6-2 450mhz |
| 12:54.07 | amonk | it is kdm for kde |
| 12:54.07 | streuner | halmetti: and which iso did you downloaded? |
| 12:54.23 | halmetti | debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:54.29 | lagoan | amonk, thks. |
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| 12:54.42 | amonk | but it may not have a package of it's own in bloatware like kde. |
| 12:54.51 | bob2 | haha bloatware |
| 12:54.53 | streuner | halmetti: should be fine then, have you verifyed the iso with mo5sum? |
| 12:55.04 | Master_5 | kdm is a seperate package i believe |
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| 12:55.10 | streuner | s/mo5sum/md5sum/ |
| 12:55.25 | lagoan | amonk, what's a bloatware? |
| 12:55.36 | amonk | you're kidding, right? |
| 12:55.59 | lagoan | amonk, no, i really don't have a clue. |
| 12:56.09 | greycat | @dict bloat |
| 12:56.13 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'bloat' (3 of 10): \Bloat\, v. t. To dry (herrings) in smoke. See {Blote}. [1913 Webster] ;; \Bloat\, v. i. To grow turgid as by effusion of liquid in the cellular tissue; to puff out; to swell. --Arbuthnot. [1913 Webster] ;; \Bloat\, a. Bloated. [R.] --Shak. [1913 Webster]. |
| 12:56.18 | amonk | it's a portmanteau(sp) of "bloated software" |
| 12:56.23 | halmetti | streuner: nope |
| 12:56.27 | rage_ | slashdot is down! ARGH! THE INTERNET IS COMING TO AN END |
| 12:56.31 | rage_ | ahem, |
| 12:56.32 | rage_ | nm |
| 12:56.43 | Master_5 | i think i broke it earlier |
| 12:56.44 | jnc | it's a generic term for software or hardware that has swelled in features so much that it becomes detrimental to productivity |
| 12:56.59 | jnc | and often no longer is stable enough to use reliably |
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| 12:57.15 | lagoan | so bloatware is worse than vaporware. |
| 12:57.20 | linoleum | hello |
| 12:57.24 | Master_5 | hi |
| 12:57.30 | jnc | lagoan: blueballs or no balls |
| 12:57.33 | amonk | and runs a healthy bit of hardware like a pig was sitting on it. |
| 12:57.53 | Master_5 | hehe amonk |
| 12:57.58 | linoleum | I have juste installed Sarge on a new computer ... but it seems that alsa is not installed automaticaly ... is it normal?? |
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| 12:58.05 | lagoan | jnc, catch no ball on that. |
| 12:58.06 | amonk | well, IMNSHO, it is better than vaporware since it at least exists. :) |
| 12:58.20 | streuner | linoleum: yes, if you using a 2.4.x kernel |
| 12:58.24 | jnc | linoleum: eh... are you running a 2.4.x or 2.6.x kernel, mate |
| 12:58.41 | streuner | linoleum: just use a 2.6.x kernel and run 'alsaconf' as root |
| 12:58.48 | streuner | linoleum: /msg dpkg alsa |
| 12:58.50 | linoleum | 2.6.8-2 |
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| 12:59.32 | lagoan | streuner, doesn't he need to config the kernel? |
| 12:59.37 | streuner | the installer uses OSS first, IIRC |
| 12:59.50 | streuner | lagoan: nope |
| 13:00.02 | linoleum | I mean : when I look in synaptic there is not the alsa-base and alsa-utils installed |
| 13:00.10 | linoleum | yes, but there is OSS |
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| 13:00.24 | streuner | linoleum: just install alsa-utils |
| 13:00.29 | streuner | (alsaconf) |
| 13:00.30 | linoleum | well, I just thaught Sarge would installed Alsa automaticaly |
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| 13:01.19 | polyfractal_ | Quick question. it doesnt appear ftp is working on my server anymore. I've gone into /etc/init.d/ and ./proftpd start, but it doesn't work (says "starting" but still can't connect). any ideas? Sorry, im a *nix newb |
| 13:01.22 | halmetti | streuner: yes md5checksum is same |
| 13:01.34 | jnc | linoleum: FYI real quick, alsa-tools is not in there for patent reasons |
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| 13:01.42 | jnc | you'd have to build it yourself |
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| 13:02.08 | streuner | halmetti: the iso is bad or in burning process something got wrong |
| 13:02.37 | FlopsyPete | anyone know what debconf priority the Debian Installer question about world-writable home directories has? I want to recommend to my users a question priority but don't want to have the default 'yes' chosen for this question |
| 13:02.50 | jnc | polyfractal_: for what reason would you run an FTP server? |
| 13:02.53 | jnc | just curious |
| 13:02.54 | bob2 | polyfractal_: sudo netstat -plnt | grep 21 |
| 13:02.59 | jnc | i don't know the answer to your first question |
| 13:03.48 | streuner | halmetti: s/got/went/ |
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| 13:04.05 | halmetti | streuner: well tried with 4 different cd-rw and all have been burned succefully |
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| 13:04.14 | polyfractal_ | Bob2: bash: sudo: command not found |
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| 13:04.37 | bob2 | polyfractal_: then just run it as root |
| 13:04.41 | amonk | just leave off the sudo part |
| 13:04.46 | streuner | halmetti: if the iso is bad, you burned a wrong CD anyways ;-) |
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| 13:04.57 | jnc | bob2: sudo is not installed on Debian Sarge netinstalls |
| 13:05.15 | polyfractal_ | Ahh, ok |
| 13:05.16 | jnc | even if you select all possible tasks |
| 13:05.16 | polyfractal_ | One sec |
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| 13:05.34 | bob2 | that is a shame |
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| 13:05.53 | polyfractal_ | Bob2: What am I looking for exactly? there are 6 or so lines that came up |
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| 13:06.03 | halmetti | streuner iso and cd's aren't bad |
| 13:06.09 | polyfractal_ | 'inetd' is on port 21 |
| 13:06.16 | polyfractal_ | Not ftp, is that bad? |
| 13:06.42 | amonk | that means ftp is on 21 via inetd |
| 13:06.48 | tralala | polyfractal_: man inetd |
| 13:07.05 | bob2 | that means you installed a ftp server that runs from inetd |
| 13:07.19 | jnc | inetd is all-encompassing service starter |
| 13:07.20 | streuner | halmetti: if its stopped in this phase of process, it should be able to load the second part of it too... |
| 13:07.24 | polyfractal_ | Hmm, why can't I connect it though? |
| 13:07.30 | amonk | superserver! |
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| 13:07.58 | polyfractal_ | Socket connected waiting for login sequence. |
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| 13:08.03 | tralala | !gentoosmite jnc |
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| 13:08.05 | jnc | even with a 2ghz 64-bit amd64 proc, this is going to take a while |
| 13:08.05 | xaser | hey |
| 13:08.07 | polyfractal_ | Thats what I get, then a "Cannot login waiting to retry" |
| 13:08.16 | xaser | anyone installed peerguardian on debian? |
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| 13:08.36 | jnc | tralala: i'm a Gentoo dev, you think i don't already know that? |
| 13:08.37 | bob2 | polyfractal_: disable all iptables ruels |
| 13:08.37 | jnc | haha |
| 13:08.46 | tralala | jnc: ;) |
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| 13:08.57 | jnc | tralala: i am trying to enable support for realtime-lsm, and also my SATA optical drive |
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| 13:09.00 | xaser | nonody installed peerguardian? :( |
| 13:09.04 | tracysun | i can't run "./install" |
| 13:09.24 | xaser | make install ^^ |
| 13:09.26 | tralala | jnc: can't they be compiled as modules with m-a? |
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| 13:10.04 | csmall | If I run make in a source dir and it tells me it can not find aclocal-1.6 what package do I need? |
| 13:10.07 | jnc | tralala: well, thing is on amd64 and the kernel i found to work with my sata hard disk, that the sucker (kernel) is with priviliges built-in and not as module; realtime-lsm won't function this way |
| 13:10.11 | tralala | !tell xaser -about ask |
| 13:10.12 | jnc | it wants priviliges as a module |
| 13:10.31 | mindfork | Is there an ebook reader that I can apt-get? Been googling for a while now and can't seem to find any. |
| 13:10.35 | jnc | so a recompile of the kernel is then necessary and change through menuconfig that option, such that priviliges is compiled as a module |
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| 13:11.10 | tralala | what a pity |
| 13:11.20 | bob2 | csmall: packages.debian.org |
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| 13:11.33 | jnc | while i'm at it, i changed a line in drivers/linux/libata.h so possibly the SATA optical drive (ATAPI interface over SATA) will function |
| 13:11.47 | jnc | i had it working before when this box ran Ubuntu |
| 13:11.50 | xaser | i dont know how i can install debian on debian :/ |
| 13:11.54 | jnc | so i'm sure it's possible |
| 13:11.55 | jnc | :) |
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| 13:12.04 | tracysun | i can't run the command "./install.sh",how can do |
| 13:12.08 | tralala | xaser: use debootstrap |
| 13:12.11 | sleon|tuX | !+find rndc |
| 13:12.13 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 13:12.14 | jnc | xaser: err... debootstrapp'in time |
| 13:12.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'rndc' (2): (/etc/picalib/DNS/rndc.conf) in admin/picalib ;; (/usr/sbin/{rndc|rndc-confgen}) in net/bind9. |
| 13:12.21 | mkl1525 | Is there a way to get the total number of open filess on a linux box? |
| 13:12.26 | xaser | what is debootstrapp? oO |
| 13:12.31 | jnc | xaser: you could poke your head around for a guide on 32-bit chroot, that should show you how to use debootstrap |
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| 13:12.47 | jnc | loosely speaking, anyhow |
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| 13:12.55 | tralala | mkl1525: lsof | wc -l (some tuning probably will be needed) |
| 13:12.56 | jnc | mkl1525: ulimit/ |
| 13:12.58 | jnc | maybe |
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| 13:14.34 | streuner | !debootstrap |
| 13:14.35 | dpkg | well, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>. Useful for installing in a chroot. Also ask me about <chroot install> |
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| 13:15.10 | tracysun | who can help me |
| 13:15.31 | yaarg | a psychogist? |
| 13:15.32 | abrotman | can you ask? |
| 13:15.37 | abrotman | yaarg: spelling! |
| 13:15.42 | yaarg | indeed! |
| 13:15.43 | yaarg | :/ |
| 13:16.00 | yaarg | phychlogist |
| 13:16.10 | petemc | close, but no cigar |
| 13:16.23 | yaarg | a head doctor |
| 13:16.36 | streuner | dpkg, debootstrap is also debootstrap is used to create a Debian base system from scratch, without requiring the availability of dpkg or apt. It does this by downloading .deb files from a mirror site, and carefully unpacking them into a directory which can eventually be chrooted into |
| 13:16.36 | dpkg | that's too long, streuner |
| 13:16.40 | streuner | bah |
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| 13:16.59 | mkl1525 | tralala, thanks that's it |
| 13:17.16 | abrotman | tracysun: you have to ask in order to get help |
| 13:17.18 | Gavrila | what's the command to have shown open message queues? |
| 13:17.35 | streuner | Gavrila: postfix? |
| 13:17.38 | abrotman | open message queues? |
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| 13:17.45 | Gavrila | IPC message queues |
| 13:17.46 | tarzeau | mailq ? |
| 13:17.56 | greycat | he probably means SysV IPC |
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| 13:18.12 | Gavrila | yes, greycat I wrote it :) |
| 13:18.36 | jm_ | Gavrila: man ipcs |
| 13:18.40 | polyfractal_ | Bob2: how would I change the ip rules table? |
| 13:18.43 | tracysun | i can't run the command "./install.sh" when i install a bsp |
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| 13:18.52 | Gavrila | jm_: tnx |
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| 13:18.57 | btwotch | how can I make it impossible, that the machine hangs, when a fool user, executes a fork() in while(1) ? |
| 13:19.08 | greycat | you want ipcs(8) |
| 13:19.16 | jm_ | btwotch: because admin didn't set any limits |
| 13:19.17 | greycat | !win jm_ |
| 13:19.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, jm_! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 13:19.24 | jm_ | hah nice |
| 13:19.40 | greycat | !lose FUCKING LINUX MAN PAGES that didn't have ipcs(8) in the SEE ALSOs. I had to use HP-UX man pages to find it. |
| 13:19.40 | dpkg | FUCKING LINUX MAN PAGES that didn't have ipcs(8) in the SEE ALSOs. I had to use HP-UX man pages to find it.: You Lose. |
| 13:19.56 | bob2 | polyfractal_: you have some firewall rules? |
| 13:20.09 | bob2 | greycat: submit a patch! |
| 13:20.26 | btwotch | jm_: and, how can I set this limits? |
| 13:20.39 | polyfractal_ | Bob2: my personal computer or the server? we cant connect to the server via ftp locally either (from same machine) |
| 13:20.45 | btwotch | f/this/these/g |
| 13:20.46 | jm_ | btwotch: the easiest thing is probably via /etc/security |
| 13:20.55 | bob2 | polyfractal_: then that machine |
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| 13:21.20 | polyfractal_ | Bob2: Im not sure. where would I find them? (sorry for being such a newb) |
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| 13:21.58 | Mortalman | Does ssh use a /etc/issue.* file ?? |
| 13:22.08 | btwotch | what does cpu-time mean? |
| 13:22.20 | bob2 | polyfractal_: sorry, hometime for me, good luck |
| 13:22.29 | Gathond | broken_chaos: in what respect? |
| 13:22.31 | polyfractal_ | Bob2: ok, thanks for the help :) |
| 13:22.45 | xsdg | Gathond: "oops" :o) |
| 13:22.52 | greycat | btwotch: total elapsed seconds |
| 13:22.57 | Gathond | xsdg: ? |
| 13:22.58 | greycat | btwotch: for any single process |
| 13:23.02 | xsdg | Gathond: wrong person |
| 13:23.02 | btwotch | jm_: thx |
| 13:23.06 | Gathond | xsdg: ahh :) |
| 13:23.24 | jm_ | btwotch: np |
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| 13:23.29 | linoleum | hi |
| 13:24.07 | linoleum | well, I have installed alsa-base and alsa-utils, and now I have the sound , tkx ! |
| 13:24.16 | jnc | sweet |
| 13:24.38 | oliver | does anyone knoe how to mount a hard drive via usb? |
| 13:24.38 | jnc | longest hostmask. evah. |
| 13:24.39 | btwotch | does there exist a solution, that allows to normal users only to use 95% of the cpu-ressources? |
| 13:24.49 | jnc | oliver: it shows up as a scsi emulated disk |
| 13:24.56 | jnc | 'modprobe usb-storage' |
| 13:25.03 | linoleum | but now I have another question : in the gnome panel , in the option , to choose the multimedia systeme that will works with gstreamer , I have only the choice between OSS and CUSTUM ... I can't choose Alsa . why ? |
| 13:25.08 | jnc | then uh, however you would handle a scsi hard disk, yeah |
| 13:25.16 | cblackburn | btwotch: I don't know of a way to implement that exactly |
| 13:25.26 | imang1 | Hi, i HAVE BEEN adviced TO RUN apt-get clean to free space on my root partition...I did not get anything when run the command and no space was freed...any suggestions please |
| 13:25.29 | cblackburn | but super users always start processes with negative priorities |
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| 13:25.37 | jnc | linoleum: you need to install gstreamer0.8-alsa |
| 13:25.38 | cblackburn | which get run first |
| 13:25.38 | jnc | :) |
| 13:25.45 | linoleum | lol :) |
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| 13:25.58 | jnc | while you're at it, install the rest of the gstreamer0.8- stuff |
| 13:26.01 | linoleum | jnc, and do you think it's better to use gstreamer with OSS or with Alsa ? |
| 13:26.10 | jnc | OSS is depreciated |
| 13:26.13 | tralala | oliver: a usb flash stick shows up as sda device in my case. I guess the hdd wont be much different |
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| 13:26.20 | Feyr-Wrk | has anyone experienced major slowdowns in PHP4 / mysql after upgrading to sarge? |
| 13:26.20 | xsdg | imang1: do you have anything installed that you don't need? Also, do you know how you ran out of space? |
| 13:26.22 | lilldude | linoilum hey are you the floor in my washroom that stunk |
| 13:26.25 | jnc | i.e. yes i think ALSA is hot and tasty, OSS is old and moldy |
| 13:26.36 | Lee__ | and jack is a delicacy |
| 13:26.39 | oliver | whats sda? |
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| 13:26.46 | jnc | /dev/sda he means |
| 13:26.47 | tralala | imang1: is /var mounted on your root partition? |
| 13:26.49 | lilldude | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.50 | mlopes | is there any way to update all the packages on one machine based on a file backup? for example, dpkg -l? |
| 13:26.52 | linoleum | ok tkx mate :) |
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| 13:27.01 | tralala | imang1: do you have anything in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 13:27.04 | Lee__ | dual boot is a good idea |
| 13:27.09 | ErikHK | can someone help me with IP-forwarding? |
| 13:27.15 | linoleum | lilldude, no I dont think so , maybe it's a friend of mine :) |
| 13:27.28 | tralala | ErikHK: what do you mean by ip-forwarding? |
| 13:27.29 | Lee__ | mlopes: apt-get update? |
| 13:27.30 | jnc | oliver: if you are not yet familiar with device names, i suggest you kiss some ass and either find a good google'd tutorial on how to mount partitions from a scsi hard disk, or find a nice person to walk you through the process ;) |
| 13:27.34 | saloxin | ErikHK: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 13:27.34 | ErikHK | I have enabled it in /etc/network/options, but it wont word =/ |
| 13:27.47 | ErikHK | saloxin? in a terminal? |
| 13:28.04 | lilldude | linoleum ok well some one left smelly floor and we put down new linoleum |
| 13:28.05 | saloxin | ErikHK: the network/options file does the same |
| 13:28.07 | oliver | sorry, im new to it |
| 13:28.11 | jnc | it's fine |
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| 13:28.16 | mlopes | I did dpkg -l > programs.bck |
| 13:28.22 | jnc | but this is one of those things noobs ask all the time |
| 13:28.25 | saloxin | ErikHK: what do you mean with ip forwarding? |
| 13:28.25 | tralala | ErikHK: if_forward=yes in /etc/network/options? |
| 13:28.27 | ErikHK | I have a cable from my router to my server (eth0), and a cable from eth1 to my workstation.... |
| 13:28.34 | mlopes | based on programs.bck, is there any automated way to install/remove packages? |
| 13:28.34 | jnc | so good huntin' |
| 13:28.34 | lilldude | of to do some shoping |
| 13:28.35 | jnc | :) |
| 13:28.44 | ErikHK | if_forward=yes?! |
| 13:28.48 | lilldude | il be back maybe sis mobo wil be here |
| 13:28.49 | oliver | jnc everyone starts sometime. guess, you did so, too |
| 13:28.53 | jnc | yea |
| 13:28.55 | jnc | it never ends |
| 13:28.57 | ErikHK | I wrote ip_forward=yes tralala :P |
| 13:28.58 | tralala | err ip_forward |
| 13:28.59 | jnc | oh god, make it stop |
| 13:29.06 | ErikHK | oh, ok :( |
| 13:29.10 | Lee__ | mlopes: if you can get the file into some kind of format that you can pass to apt, yeah. one package name per line would do it. |
| 13:29.16 | tralala | ErikHK: do you mean SNAT? |
| 13:29.18 | xsdg | jnc: o_O |
| 13:29.21 | lilldude | is sis better that nforce on debian? i no suposed use via only how hard is sis |
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| 13:29.38 | ErikHK | Dont know if it is called that tralala, but maybe :P My server is acting as a hub :P |
| 13:29.44 | tralala | ErikHK: check man iptables, SNAT (for static IP) and MASQUARADE (for dynamic IP) |
| 13:29.47 | imang1 | xsdg: I had trouble configuring alsa few times...I did not get any sound unless I was a superuser "root"...so I installed everything that had alsa in it"apt-get install alsa*...I found myself installing kernel thing, I think they are sources....not so sure....I an running debian with kernel2.6... |
| 13:29.47 | streuner | lildude: works like a charm here |
| 13:29.59 | takatumi | mlopes: /msg dpkg selections |
| 13:30.00 | greycat | how "hard" is it? like, Mohr hardness scale? |
| 13:30.00 | xsdg | imang1: O_O |
| 13:30.05 | ErikHK | router -> server -> workstation... like a gateway... thanks tralala |
| 13:30.11 | lilldude | great thanks il be back in few minites |
| 13:30.14 | streuner | lildude: SiS as NIC, videocard |
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| 13:30.27 | Lee__ | !tell imang1 about alsa |
| 13:30.31 | lilldude | sis ans mobo chipset |
| 13:30.32 | xsdg | imang1: what does `dpkg -l | grep -i '*alsa*' | grep ^ii | wc -l` say? |
| 13:30.35 | mlopes | takatumi: thanks, that's it :-) |
| 13:30.44 | Lee__ | he forgot what alsa is? |
| 13:30.45 | streuner | lildude: thats too |
| 13:30.45 | tralala | ErikHK: the quick answer is iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE -i eth1 -o eth0 (-i and -o may need swapping) |
| 13:30.46 | greycat | xsdg: the stars serve no purpose there. |
| 13:30.49 | Lee__ | !alsa |
| 13:31.04 | tralala | ErikHK: but to really understand how it works read the manuals |
| 13:31.06 | ErikHK | thank you veeery much tralala, gonna try that! |
| 13:31.10 | xsdg | greycat: oops; that's what too much apt-cache does to ya :o) |
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| 13:31.11 | ErikHK | ok ;) |
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| 13:31.30 | xsdg | imang1: that should be dpkg -l | grep -i alsa | grep ^ii | wc -l |
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| 13:31.48 | tralala | ErikHK: at the server (router), of course (and, of course, as root) |
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| 13:32.12 | ErikHK | thank you very much :) |
| 13:32.21 | tralala | you're welcome |
| 13:32.25 | a_l_e | hello, i'm new to managing a machine inherited from the collegue... what's the meaning of "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 304 not upgraded."? |
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| 13:32.51 | greycat | it probably means "you fucking ran apt-get upgrade on testing/unstable" |
| 13:32.52 | mlopes | apt-get upgrade has nothing left to do |
| 13:33.26 | Ethics | or a woody box asking to go to sarge?? |
| 13:34.01 | greycat | ah, yes, that would be bad. |
| 13:34.07 | greycat | dpkg woody->earge |
| 13:34.09 | greycat | dpkg woody->sarge |
| 13:34.09 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
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| 13:34.50 | a_l_e | thankyou greycat... i'll look for it! |
| 13:35.18 | a_l_e | # apt-get install aptitude |
| 13:35.22 | a_l_e | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 304 not upgraded. |
| 13:35.41 | greycat | !details |
| 13:35.41 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian version, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
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| 13:36.09 | a_l_e | so, now i have to use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 13:36.21 | greycat | JUST FOR THIS ONE UPGRADE. |
| 13:36.26 | tralala | a_l_e: it's up to you |
| 13:36.44 | tracysun | why i can't run"./install.sh" on debian |
| 13:36.51 | greycat | because you're a moron? |
| 13:36.56 | piernik | chmod +x ;-) |
| 13:36.58 | a_l_e | for the upgrade i have to use it, but then i can follow back to apt-get? |
| 13:37.00 | greycat | how do *WE* know? what error did you get? |
| 13:37.10 | Ethics | they are sorta interchangeable but on dist-upgrades everyone swears aptitude does better than apt-get .... |
| 13:37.16 | tralala | a_l_e: yes, you can |
| 13:37.41 | greycat | Can I use my crystal helm of newbie telepathy? |
| 13:37.45 | tralala | tracysun: what error do you get? |
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| 13:38.26 | greycat | *** Hmmmmmm *** ... You mounted a CD-ROM using an /etc/fstab line that has "user" in it. And you were too ignorant to fall back to "sh ./install.sh". And you didn't read the man page where it says that "user" implies "noexec". |
| 13:38.39 | a_l_e | "aptitude dist-upgrade" wants to install gcc4 ... that doesn't seem what i want... |
| 13:38.42 | Ethics | grr i hate dmix setups..i can never remember what config i needed on xmms etc hehe |
| 13:38.51 | joel | damn, I can't remember the name of my id3 tag editor |
| 13:38.54 | greycat | a_l_e: why not? lack of disk space to hold a second compiler? |
| 13:39.03 | joel | it has a pretty gui in gtk |
| 13:39.06 | greycat | a_l_e: and why are you tracking UNSTABLE?? |
| 13:39.12 | greycat | (or does testing have it now?) |
| 13:39.19 | a_l_e | i want it stable! |
| 13:39.20 | tralala | gcc4 is now default in etch |
| 13:39.26 | greycat | a_l_e: then make it stable! |
| 13:39.28 | Ethics | hmm thats a weird box...thats set to testing...but has woody...sounds like a booby trap |
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| 13:40.02 | Ethics | testing has gcc4 now it appears from my needing to fix that back to 3.3 |
| 13:40.34 | tralala | although it hasn't broke anything on my box (so far) |
| 13:40.46 | a_l_e | thankyou greycat, it's exactly what i'm trying to do :-) ... update this machine in stable! i wasn't the manager of it, and i haven't used debian for the last year. |
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| 13:40.53 | greycat | man sources.list |
| 13:40.55 | Ethics | a_l_m try nano /etc/sources/list and look for things like stable/sarge/testing/unstable |
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| 13:41.18 | Ethics | a_l_e, sources.list rather |
| 13:41.18 | xsdg | I'd go gcc4 all the way, except that I'm afraid of ABI changes :o) |
| 13:41.33 | greycat | ABI only affects C++, not C. |
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| 13:41.44 | greycat | C doesn't fucking change every 2 years. |
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| 13:42.15 | Ethics | hehe i compiled 2 things with gcc4 1 of them borked badly so i ran away and changed the symlink |
| 13:42.21 | linoleum | hi again guys, everything work almost perfect ... but I have just one problem : my keyboard is not set right , some keys dont work. how can I set again my keyboard??? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 13:42.33 | xsdg | Ethics: heh |
| 13:42.35 | streuner | !keymap |
| 13:42.35 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 13:42.38 | a_l_e | sources.list seems ok... but both stable and testing are mentioned in it. |
| 13:42.41 | xsdg | greycat: aah; true |
| 13:42.46 | Ethics | admitedly it was alsa and its sorta kernel and split etc |
| 13:42.47 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 13:42.55 | xsdg | a_l_e: "remove testing" |
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| 13:43.06 | xsdg | s#testing#mentions of testing# |
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| 13:43.41 | tracysun | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.44 | Ethics | a_l_e, if its a server and you didnt build it it be trying to put them all to stable |
| 13:43.45 | greycat | good. |
| 13:43.52 | xsdg | tracysun: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:43.57 | Ethics | a_l_e, or even comment the testing ones |
| 13:43.57 | streuner | greycat: haha |
| 13:44.05 | xsdg | tracysun: if it's not "alien", then you're not doing the right thing :o) |
| 13:44.10 | Ethics | dont really want to change what it has already |
| 13:44.11 | streuner | tracysun: What are you trying to do? |
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| 13:44.21 | tracysun | i install a linux bsp to my pc |
| 13:44.22 | a_l_e | Ethics: i'm trying to do this, yes!¨ i will try to comment the lines with testing in them! |
| 13:44.41 | tralala | tracysun: bsp? |
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| 13:44.43 | greycat | !try |
| 13:44.44 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 13:44.49 | greycat | !bsp |
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| 13:44.49 | dpkg | it has been said that bsp is bug squashing party, in #debian-bugs |
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| 13:44.50 | tracysun | yep |
| 13:44.52 | Ethics | tracysun debian tends to use their own binaries first then at worst rpm can be changed to deb via a proggy called alien. |
| 13:45.01 | greycat | I doubt (s)he's hosting a bug squashing party. |
| 13:45.12 | halmetti | what's wrong if installer freezes before installer have even started? freezes on "ramdisk: compressed image found at block 0" trying to install sarge 31r0a-i386-netinst. |
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| 13:45.28 | streuner | tracysun: so whats the full name? |
| 13:45.45 | streuner | halmetti: i told you before |
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| 13:45.49 | greycat | and what's a bsp in YOUR world? |
| 13:45.49 | tracysun | board support packges |
| 13:46.00 | a_l_e | outcommented all the lines with testing and now i get: "Need to get 34.7MB of archives. After unpacking 381kB will be used." ... |
| 13:46.02 | greycat | you mean.... a *driver*? |
| 13:46.07 | lilldude | wish i could get used socket a working mobo |
| 13:46.13 | a_l_e | ... seems correct to me and i will answer "yes" :-) |
| 13:46.16 | halmetti | streuner: you mean my installer is bad? |
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| 13:46.30 | Ethics | a_l_e : basically what i think has happened is that the guy was using woody and needed something from sarge (testing at the time) he pinholed it to get what he needed and keep it stable....Now sarge is stable its a version change soo everything he was using from testing is changiung again therefore your about to do a major server change in the near future |
| 13:46.33 | streuner | halmetti: i mean your fucking iso is bad |
| 13:46.46 | tracysun | i followed the readme doc to install,run "./install.sh" |
| 13:47.36 | streuner | halmetti: and how did you burn the CD? Nero? |
| 13:47.41 | a_l_e | Ethics: yeas i get 23 packages to upgrade... from the list i don't see anyone really critical. i hope i won't break anything :-) |
| 13:47.48 | a_l_e | thankyou all for your help!!!! |
| 13:47.53 | tracysun | then errors like that "./install.sh: line 1: rpm: command not found" |
| 13:47.54 | Ethics | a_l_e, the problem you have is you dont really know much aboout what he was pulling from where atm so id be looking at dpkg =L and pondering whats in use and whats excess.... |
| 13:48.03 | greycat | tracysun: WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO? |
| 13:48.10 | greycat | in ENGLISH, damn it! |
| 13:48.16 | Silensius | Zulfikar: |
| 13:48.27 | tralala | tracysun: the installer seem to wrongly assume red had/fedora/mandrake distribution |
| 13:48.33 | a_l_e | Ethics: "dpgk -L"? |
| 13:48.44 | Ethics | a_l_e: the old rule is if it aint broke dont change it....especially without a known good backup and a getaway car |
| 13:48.47 | tralala | tracysun: which means your are not going to do it *that* way |
| 13:49.04 | tracysun | install a bsp(board support package) to my computer |
| 13:49.09 | a_l_e | Ethics: yes, but i have to keep up with the security updates. |
| 13:49.10 | greycat | WHAT FUCKING "BOARD"?? |
| 13:49.11 | Ethics | a_l_e dpkg -l = list all whats installed please |
| 13:49.22 | streuner | tracysun: URL? |
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| 13:49.44 | streuner | where you downloaded the rpm |
| 13:49.46 | xsdg | !comfort greycat |
| 13:49.49 | dpkg | There, there, greycat. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:50.03 | streuner | or whatever |
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| 13:50.19 | tracysun | then how can i install it on my computer |
| 13:50.24 | greycat | and which bureaucratic nincompoop came up with "board support package" as a name for what I *think* means a device driver? |
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| 13:50.41 | tralala | tracysun: if you don't give us more details soon will lose interest in begging you |
| 13:50.43 | Ethics | a_l_e, yes...testing doesnt get security updates so it would be good to know what was previously testing...even just as a heads up on what was last in |
| 13:50.47 | streuner | tracysun: are you 'learnresistent'? |
| 13:50.52 | PerfDave | tracysun: Please try to give people the information they're asking for, like what board you've got and where you downloaded this RPM. They're trying to help you, and can't do so without more information. |
| 13:51.00 | streuner | tracysun: just answer our questions |
| 13:51.05 | a_l_e | Ethics: dpgk -l doesn't seem to tell me what was testing. |
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| 13:51.40 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:51.55 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.05 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.06 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.21 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.21 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.32 | Ethics | a_l_e ahh thats right...i think its a polocy thing...i remember it being harder then i hoped when i looked last time |
| 13:52.33 | PerfDave | /kick greycat flood |
| 13:52.43 | xsdg | PerfDave: exactly what I was thinking :o) |
| 13:53.05 | streuner | PerfDave: there is a difference between flood and info... |
| 13:53.05 | greycat | ain't it funny how none of them say "Debian"? |
| 13:53.11 | qq22 | list |
| 13:53.16 | yang | I applied to LPI training center. But they said to me, that they dont provide literature for the exams, and I found none on LPI website. So where could I get some information on exams? |
| 13:53.16 | a_l_e | Ethics: i think i'll do a "aptitude dist-upgrade", install the 23 packages listed, and pray that it doesn't break :-) |
| 13:53.22 | tracysun | i download a bsp for mpc5200,lite 5200 board and want to install it to my computer |
| 13:53.27 | tralala | streuner: there is difference between info and spam |
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| 13:53.49 | PerfDave | streuner: Not really, no. |
| 13:53.57 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.05 | greycat | that's some sort of PPC CPU? |
| 13:54.18 | Ethics | a_l_e, document all that is removed and added so you have some idea how to go backwards...theres snapshots etc |
| 13:54.22 | greycat | hmm, here's another google hit that mentions nvidia. |
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| 13:54.32 | ErikHK | hmm, tralala, iptables said that -i didn't work along with POSTROUTING... |
| 13:54.33 | greycat | but that's a company that apparently makes nvidia clones |
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| 13:54.40 | linoleum | hi again ^ |
| 13:54.45 | Mortalman | So SPAM does not contain information? wow |
| 13:54.50 | masoft | is there any application to defrag the Windows FAT32 disks in linux ? |
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| 13:54.56 | greycat | tracysun: is this "board" of yours an nvidia clone video card? |
| 13:55.02 | Mortalman | Then what's the pint of SPAM? |
| 13:55.09 | streuner | masoft: no, AFAIK |
| 13:55.15 | greycat | Mortalman: to get your money |
| 13:55.23 | tralala | ErikHK: skip it then, use only -o |
| 13:55.27 | qq22 | Programming Question?? output going to a named pipe; want 6 different programs to read it; 'tee's or 'cat's |
| 13:55.29 | greycat | or to sell you to someone else to get that other person's money |
| 13:55.30 | linoleum | ok , my mistake , the keybord was set to macintosh .. so I set it to pc105 and everything's perfect !!! but I have an other question :p : is it usefull to run the command : set-language-env ?? |
| 13:55.35 | Mortalman | greycat: They already have all my money. |
| 13:55.36 | Mortalman | heh |
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| 13:55.42 | ErikHK | tralala: ok, gonna try that :D |
| 13:55.48 | tralala | ErikHK: but keep in mind that this is the quick&dirty approach. You *really* need to read the manuals |
| 13:55.48 | tracysun | not a video card |
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| 13:56.08 | ErikHK | tralala: I am afraid of iptables =/ |
| 13:56.12 | ErikHK | seems so scary :| |
| 13:56.14 | greycat | tracysun: could you just tell us what it *is*, then? is it the PowerPC CPU thingy that I found in the first google hit? |
| 13:56.19 | ErikHK | and much to learn :P |
| 13:56.32 | tracysun | yep |
| 13:56.38 | greycat | !ppc |
| 13:56.39 | dpkg | i guess ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 13:56.53 | tralala | ErikHK: it's not that bad, believe me - a bit of experimenting and reading the man page will get you there in a couple of days |
| 13:56.54 | greycat | ask #debianppc. they might know. |
| 13:57.01 | Mardus | Sorry |
| 13:57.15 | ErikHK | tralala: ok ;) gonna read up a bit now :( |
| 13:57.15 | Ethics | ErikHK, firestarter, bastile etc are good at making the syntax easy...as long as you know what the words mean you can gui config most stuff |
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| 13:57.39 | ErikHK | thank you :) |
| 13:58.13 | tracysun | lite5200B Evaluation Board for MPC5200B,a freescale's product |
| 13:58.39 | abrotman | firestarter isn't the same as bastille |
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| 13:59.49 | Ethics | no but they are the same category of gui/guided firewalling 8).. |
| 14:00.55 | tracysun | now i want to develop on the board,i downloaded a board support packages for the board and wanted to install it to my computer,but can't do it |
| 14:00.58 | jethro | isn't bastille a hardening script? |
| 14:01.06 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:01.10 | abrotman | Ethics: no they aren't |
| 14:01.12 | abrotman | !bastille |
| 14:01.13 | dpkg | hmm... bastille is The Bastille Hardening System attempts to "harden" or "tighten" the Linux operating system. Available in Debian unstable. |
| 14:01.17 | abrotman | !firestarter |
| 14:01.18 | dpkg | I am the firestarter!, or http://firestarter.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:01.19 | emRick | How can I look at stereo output levels? I looked at the ``xmms'' "visualization but none seemed to let me see stereo output. |
| 14:01.20 | greycat | I think it's that prison where they put people before chopping their heads off. |
| 14:01.38 | greycat | dpkg, firestarter is also a stephen king book |
| 14:01.38 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 14:01.42 | jethro | greycat: that's no longer true :) |
| 14:01.55 | jethro | (the prison) |
| 14:01.57 | xsdg | abrotman: attempts to "harden" the ol' penguin, eh? |
| 14:01.59 | Ethics | abrotman, hmm ok ive got my names mixed up... |
| 14:02.05 | tracysun | now the question is on the debian can i run the comm "./install.sh" |
| 14:02.14 | streuner | "The suggested retail price of the Lite5200B evaluation board is $995 (USD). The suggested retail price of the Media5200 development platform is $7,500 (USD)." |
| 14:02.17 | greycat | tracysun: you cannot run Red Hat driver installers in Debian. |
| 14:02.18 | abrotman | xsdg: naked penguins everywhere! |
| 14:02.30 | greycat | tracysun: you'll have to find another approach. Ask #debianppc or the debian-user mailing list. Give FULL DETAILS. |
| 14:02.35 | mma | tracysun: so i guess the CD contains some rpms with e.g. a tool-chain, etc.. try converting them to .deb using alien and install them using dpkg -i |
| 14:02.53 | abrotman | Ethics: you certainly do :) |
| 14:03.33 | Ethics | abrotman shorewall i had in my head....its the big grey walls i picture hehe |
| 14:03.35 | emRick | !audio |
| 14:03.35 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 14:03.48 | abrotman | Ethics: uhm .. ok .. if you say so |
| 14:03.59 | emRick | !freescale |
| 14:03.59 | abrotman | !kiwismite Ethics |
| 14:04.08 | drac | audio factoid really needs to be upgraded.. |
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| 14:04.15 | abrotman | drac: why .. it's perfect! |
| 14:04.24 | drac | hah, ask me about idepci :) |
| 14:04.30 | PerfDave | drac: Well volunteered. |
| 14:04.42 | emRick | !idepci |
| 14:04.42 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Tux cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 14:04.51 | tralala | emRick: /msg the bot |
| 14:04.51 | tracysun | how can i convert them to .deb |
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| 14:04.53 | abrotman | emRick: /msg dpkg msg the bots |
| 14:05.16 | mikmu | Hi there, I just need a little shell help, I want to do the following: find . -name user_prefs -exec echo "whitelist_from *@mydomain.com" >> {} \; but it seems -exec doesn't like the redirection |
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| 14:05.28 | abrotman | #bash ? |
| 14:05.31 | greycat | mikmu: -exec sh -c 'my shell command' \; |
| 14:05.39 | Mardus | I'd rather have the woody factoid remain intact, but could be in the form of !audio-woody . The default !audio could be then updated. |
| 14:05.48 | mikmu | greycat: ah, ok |
| 14:06.08 | PerfDave | mikmu: Only weirdos still run Woody. |
| 14:06.15 | PerfDave | Mardus: Only weirdos still run Woody. |
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| 14:06.21 | xsdg | PerfDave: quotefiled :o) |
| 14:06.23 | halmetti | streuner: oops burned with alcoholclone120% |
| 14:07.10 | halmetti | oops meaning that i missed your words but... ;) |
| 14:07.25 | Ungy | is it possible to repartition a drive without losing the information? |
| 14:07.26 | streuner | halmetti: and it does verify the isos? |
| 14:07.47 | greycat | Ungy: sometimes. |
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| 14:08.01 | halmetti | streuner much better iso burning software that nero |
| 14:08.06 | Mardus | PerfDave: I admit that I am a weirdo in very many senses. |
| 14:08.10 | halmetti | and yes it does |
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| 14:08.53 | streuner | halmetti: check out 'google md5sum windows' and verify the iso itself |
| 14:10.24 | streuner | dpkg, md5sum |
| 14:10.25 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 14:10.33 | streuner | dpkg, forget md5sum |
| 14:10.33 | dpkg | streuner: i forgot md5sum |
| 14:10.37 | abrotman | !md5 |
| 14:10.39 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 14:10.44 | streuner | dpkg, forget md5 |
| 14:10.44 | abrotman | dpkg: i'm gonna smack you |
| 14:10.44 | RichiH | !md5 foo |
| 14:10.45 | dpkg | streuner: i forgot md5 |
| 14:10.45 | dpkg | acbd18db4cc2f85cedef654fccc4a4d8 |
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| 14:10.55 | RichiH | md5 is a command |
| 14:11.01 | streuner | oh |
| 14:11.02 | emurz | Does anyone use superkaramba here? |
| 14:11.03 | abrotman | !md5 smack |
| 14:11.04 | dpkg | 031700427b70a87b0203a7d78a85c0da |
| 14:11.17 | RichiH | hmm |
| 14:11.23 | abrotman | will he md5 a url if i give it to him .. or just the string ? |
| 14:11.26 | RichiH | we could use dpkg to verify our cd isos |
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| 14:11.37 | abrotman | dpkg: md5 RichiH |
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| 14:11.39 | dpkg | 5194912e43b301d6a4810056bc3ce927 |
| 14:11.43 | RichiH | abrotman: i strongly assume the string |
| 14:11.47 | abrotman | shit ... that doesn't match the RichiH on my system |
| 14:11.56 | PerfDave | abrotman: Your RichiH has been pwned! |
| 14:11.58 | RichiH | !md5 http://heise.de |
| 14:12.00 | dpkg | bbf9b0339a070080a3668c9cb6158ecf |
| 14:12.01 | abrotman | ops: richih doesn't match his md5!!! |
| 14:12.03 | streuner | dpkg, md5sum http://downloads.activestate.com/contrib/md5sum/Windows/ |
| 14:12.05 | dpkg | 029471d606f61fa26c8ef9ae5fcfef77 |
| 14:12.18 | streuner | dpkg, md5sum is <reply> http://downloads.activestate.com/contrib/md5sum/Windows/ |
| 14:12.19 | dpkg | 7865fc49bd0dba28bf48de7e003168cf |
| 14:12.23 | abrotman | haha |
| 14:12.29 | streuner | hehe |
| 14:12.32 | abrotman | dpkg: streuner is funny |
| 14:12.33 | dpkg | cannot alter locked factoids, abrotman |
| 14:12.35 | RichiH | streuner: why provide a md5 for windows in factoids? |
| 14:12.37 | abrotman | !streuner |
| 14:12.38 | dpkg | i love him |
| 14:12.44 | abrotman | streuner: that's not fair! |
| 14:12.56 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 14:12.57 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
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| 14:13.03 | halmetti | streuner aa3279af427fd0c6dcbdcf08d0115d90 |
| 14:13.09 | streuner | RichiH: most people who knows linux can handle md5sum, but NOT windows users |
| 14:13.15 | RichiH | streuner: still |
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| 14:13.23 | abrotman | why not call it win32 md5 ? |
| 14:13.30 | streuner | why not? |
| 14:13.36 | jethro | abrotman: use echo -n |
| 14:13.42 | abrotman | jethro: for RichiH? |
| 14:13.51 | abrotman | dpkg: echo -n RichiH |
| 14:13.52 | dpkg | -n RichiH |
| 14:13.57 | streuner | dpkg, win32 md5sum is <reply> http://downloads.activestate.com/contrib/md5sum/Windows/ |
| 14:13.58 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 14:13.59 | abrotman | that works |
| 14:14.03 | jethro | abrotman: :) |
| 14:14.32 | Om | Hey, has anyone else had problems with Anjuta recently? I'm running Debian testing. Pic of problem: http://om.herringprimarch.com:8888/Screenshot-3.png |
| 14:14.47 | PerfDave | Om: Have you checked the bTS? |
| 14:14.50 | abrotman | om: overlapping floating crap text everywhere? |
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| 14:14.58 | Om | abrotman, yes |
| 14:15.00 | abrotman | om: running sid? |
| 14:15.10 | tralala | abrotman: testing |
| 14:15.13 | Om | PerfDave, bTS = Bug tracking system |
| 14:15.15 | Om | abrotman, no |
| 14:15.17 | streuner | RichiH: true :-) |
| 14:15.20 | abrotman | tralala: not you . him |
| 14:15.22 | PerfDave | Om: /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:15.30 | tralala | abrotman: not me, him |
| 14:15.39 | tralala | abrotman: /lastlog om |
| 14:15.43 | abrotman | om: there was a version like .. 1.2.4-3 or some crap .. it was in the BTS |
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| 14:16.11 | abrotman | om: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322996 |
| 14:16.29 | streuner | halmetti: so compare the value with the value you downloaded (iso) from the site |
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| 14:16.42 | abrotman | tralala: not you: him |
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| 14:16.55 | abrotman | !crabpastesmite ricky_clarkson |
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| 14:17.09 | halmetti | streuner well done allready when i downloaded that iso... |
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| 14:17.32 | streuner | halmetti: so those values are identically? |
| 14:17.36 | halmetti | yep |
| 14:17.40 | Om | Ah, so it's fixed in a newer version which hasn't made it into the repository? :) |
| 14:17.55 | streuner | halmetti: ok, try another URL (iso) then |
| 14:17.58 | zond | there is one thing that i have never really understood: why do so many people need releases in debian? why not treat stable like testing is treated between releases, ie move one package there at a time instead of all of them in a big chunk? |
| 14:18.05 | halmetti | i have even tried 3different mirror isos |
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| 14:18.37 | abrotman | zond: that would defeat the purpose of debian/stable ... go read about progeny's componentized linux |
| 14:18.39 | streuner | halmetti: ok, try floppy-disk then |
| 14:18.46 | snoops | I'm going to be building a new system soon, which will consist of a sli board with two graphics cards, and 3 monitors(and maybe a 4th for other stuff).. can xorg 11 handle 3840x1024 resolution(and higher?)? And what would be the best window manager for a multi monitor layout? |
| 14:18.58 | PerfDave | zond: Because you don't want APIs etc. to change on your production servers. |
| 14:19.12 | catalinux | can somebody tell me why export LANG=ro_RO; gedit; doesn't work evwn if I added ro_RO support using dpk-reconfigure locales? |
| 14:19.25 | stew | catalinux: get rid of the ; |
| 14:19.28 | stew | oh |
| 14:19.29 | stew | nm |
| 14:19.33 | streuner | halmetti: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 14:19.38 | stew | i didn't see the export |
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| 14:19.47 | abrotman | snoops: the docs at the Xorg website should let you know .. i think otherwise .. try #freedesktop ? |
| 14:19.50 | xsdg | catalinux: you might not have the necessary fonts |
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| 14:20.00 | abrotman | snoops: they might also give you a recommendation for video cards |
| 14:20.02 | snoops | ah cheers abrotman |
| 14:20.15 | zond | PerfDave: so the release is sort of like a scheduled API-change? |
| 14:20.24 | catalinux | xsdg: fonts have nothing yo do with this issue. mc should work |
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| 14:20.42 | xsdg | catalinux: what's the failure mode? |
| 14:20.45 | SpermFlys | Hit ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/non-free Packages |
| 14:20.46 | SpermFlys | Hit ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/non-free Release |
| 14:20.46 | SpermFlys | Get:2 ftp://non-us.debian.org testing/non-US/main Release |
| 14:20.46 | SpermFlys | Ign ftp://non-us.debian.org testing/non-US/main Release |
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| 14:20.56 | PerfDave | zond: Yeah, among other things. It gives admins a chance to test things before upgrading between releases. |
| 14:21.02 | catalinux | xsdg: I get no error and nothing is translated |
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| 14:21.26 | PerfDave | ro_RO row your boat gently down the stream... |
| 14:21.38 | zond | thank you, my question is answered :) |
| 14:21.43 | zond | bye bye |
| 14:21.44 | catalinux | xsdg: msgunfmt /usr/share/locale/ro/LC_MESSAGES/gedit.mo; outputs that everything is ok |
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| 14:21.50 | streuner | SpermFlys: /topic |
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| 14:22.09 | SpermFlys | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.14 | catalinux | xsdg: locales-gen does something with /usr/share/i18n/locales/ |
| 14:22.28 | Om | What's the best way to install a version of a package which is only avaliable in unstable? (anjuta) When I'm running testing :) |
| 14:22.44 | catalinux | xsdg: what is that? I used slackware, fedora and many other distros and none of them had this huge problem |
| 14:22.45 | xsdg | catalinux: aah, so ls /doesntexist gives an error msg in english |
| 14:22.49 | abrotman | om: wait for it? |
| 14:22.52 | streuner | Om: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:22.53 | xsdg | ? |
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| 14:23.06 | abrotman | om: or try to download just anjuta and anjuta-common .. see if they will install |
| 14:23.07 | catalinux | xsdg: of course |
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| 14:23.12 | SpermFlys | well this is what im getting Failed to fetch ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/testing/non-US/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 14:23.17 | streuner | SpermFlys: /topic |
| 14:23.20 | abrotman | SpermFlys: read the damn topic |
| 14:23.26 | SpermFlys | NO |
| 14:23.29 | Om | abrotman, because then I'm stuck with a broken IDE until someone decides it's ready for testing? |
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| 14:23.36 | xsdg | quotefiled |
| 14:23.37 | abrotman | om: i just told oyu how to try ... |
| 14:23.51 | abrotman | SpermFlys: read the god damned topic |
| 14:23.59 | SpermFlys | Fine! |
| 14:24.03 | Om | abrotman, download the sid packages and dpk -i them? |
| 14:24.04 | abrotman | OK! |
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| 14:24.11 | abrotman | om: it's worth a try |
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| 14:24.19 | Om | Okay, thanks |
| 14:24.21 | abrotman | om: beats all the pinning crap |
| 14:24.48 | abrotman | i'd like to know how that bug even got in there .. kind of obvious :) |
| 14:24.59 | abrotman | !why is anjuta not in testing |
| 14:25.00 | dpkg | anjuta is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=anjuta |
| 14:25.09 | halmetti | streuner yeah but memtest86+ said ram is working, even tried to install win2k but it's installer said that i dont have got 32mb ram what's needed to it and i got 384mb ram. |
| 14:25.09 | Solet` | hey is there an easy way to set my eth0 back to the settings that it had when i installed the os? it worked then but it hasnt worked since i built the driver for my wlan0 |
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| 14:25.38 | PerfDave | Solet`: Restore /etc/network/interfaces from backup? |
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| 14:25.47 | petemc | or memory... |
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| 14:26.10 | PerfDave | Solet`: Could it be that building the driver for wlan0 has caused interfaces to change names? Check with "ifconfig -a" and use "ifrename" to force particular names to particular interaces. |
| 14:26.19 | Solet` | i dont have a backup :S and i cant go from memory cause i dont know what they were before all i know is something got fucked when i setup the wlan0 |
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| 14:26.56 | Solet` | my loopback is still lo my hard line is still eth0 and my wifi is still wlan0 |
| 14:27.12 | PerfDave | Solet`: Did you make any changes to /etc/network/interfaces? What changes were they?" |
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| 14:27.15 | stoni | hello I trying to correct problems with non-us sources list. Can anybody help me finding some correct sources.list for unstable? |
| 14:27.24 | PerfDave | !topicsmite stoni |
| 14:27.25 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon stoni. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 14:27.36 | streuner | stoni: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 14:27.56 | emurz | Can anyone recommend me a nice game? :-) |
| 14:28.13 | PerfDave | emurz: How about a nice game of chess? |
| 14:28.13 | san | how can i search for a pattern in a file , with the files supplied from the find /path command? |
| 14:28.15 | stoni | thx streuner |
| 14:28.20 | Solet` | i did not directly edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:28.25 | r3v | emurz: wesnoth? |
| 14:28.36 | PerfDave | san: Using grep? |
| 14:28.58 | emurz | PerfDave: I'm crazy about Chess and Go |
| 14:29.03 | PerfDave | Solet`: Well, what does /etc/network/interfaces say for eth0? Is it correct? Ask your network administrator. |
| 14:29.07 | san | but how can i supply the file's |
| 14:29.26 | petemc | san: -exec grep string {} \; -print |
| 14:29.43 | Solet` | lol i cant ask him... the school bans routers... and i'm on a router... i must stay far away from ITS assholes |
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| 14:30.22 | Virtual | after rebooting my desktop which acts as server my connection doesn`t work on laptop until I do : iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE, do I have to do this everytime I reboot ? |
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| 14:30.52 | abrotman | Solet`: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 14:31.13 | Solet` | no |
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| 14:31.44 | emRick | does any audio player show the volume output of each stereo channel? |
| 14:31.45 | photek | i just invoked the command `apt-get update` but it stops at one point stating `99% [Working]`, what should I do? |
| 14:31.58 | PerfDave | photek: Leave it? |
| 14:32.00 | emurz | I got a broken package here, how can I locate it? |
| 14:32.26 | CountZ | follow the pieces |
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| 14:33.17 | photek | PerfDave, the server isn't doing much, no harddrive activity, checked with top also, nothing going on |
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| 14:34.42 | PerfDave | photek: And? |
| 14:35.04 | PerfDave | Solet`: What did you do to set up these wireless drivers anyway? |
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| 14:35.22 | Solet` | craig's acx100 guide |
| 14:35.32 | Solet` | (its a dlink acx100 card) |
| 14:35.36 | photek | PerfDave, not much else, it just stays at `99% [Working]` |
| 14:35.45 | PerfDave | photek: So leave it. |
| 14:35.51 | photek | ok |
| 14:35.52 | mlopes | hi. is there any how to available on how to install postfix+mailman in sarge? |
| 14:36.04 | san | petemc: i cant get that command to work |
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| 14:36.08 | PerfDave | mlopes: There's lots of documentation on exim+mailman |
| 14:36.10 | streuner | mlopes: installing is easy... |
| 14:36.16 | Solet` | compiled a module and loaded it, firmware, and an 'up' script called start_net |
| 14:36.17 | mlopes | indeed |
| 14:36.18 | PerfDave | Solet`: Link? |
| 14:36.21 | mlopes | setting it up is hard |
| 14:36.28 | mlopes | and that's what I want to know |
| 14:36.30 | streuner | mlopes: just google for 'SMTP HOWTO' |
| 14:36.34 | mlopes | PerfDave: I have to use postfix |
| 14:36.41 | Solet` | http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php i think |
| 14:36.43 | petemc | san: find /foo -type f -exec grep stuff {} \; -print |
| 14:36.53 | Solet` | this was months ago... |
| 14:37.00 | mlopes | postfix is rejecting the mails because it can't check out for the aliases in mailman |
| 14:37.21 | san | ty petemc |
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| 14:38.03 | PerfDave | Solet`: Hmm, that seems a bit hardcore compared to "module-assistant auto-install acx100" :) |
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| 14:38.14 | TyreseJones | Is it possible to have a cron job that writes to a diffrent log file, one of my own choosing? |
| 14:38.25 | PerfDave | TyreseJones: yes |
| 14:38.39 | Solet` | perfdave i did that... but it didnt work quite right... (radio worked but didnt talk) |
| 14:38.43 | streuner | mlopes: #postfix might help |
| 14:38.49 | nemo_ | does anyone else have kernel-doc-2.6.8 installed? /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-2.6.8/Kconfig.collected.gz has errors on mine, and I'm wondering if it's just me, or a bug |
| 14:38.56 | PerfDave | Solet`: See, I'd've tried to fix that firs. |
| 14:39.15 | Solet` | and yeah his compile method is silly i used ma-ai acx100-bla-bla |
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| 14:39.30 | PerfDave | Solet`: Anyway, it's hard to say what's wrong with your system without more information, such as your network topology, contents of /etc/network/interfaces, output of "ifconfig -a" etc. |
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| 14:40.08 | PerfDave | Solet`: And actually what's "wrong" with your system in the first place ;) |
| 14:40.34 | Jelte | hi there, i've just installed (via apt) drupal. The instructions on drupal.org say to move everything in the drupal dir to /var/www/html is that the idea on debian too? why didnt apt install it there then? or should i point my apache to /usr/share/drupal or something? |
| 14:40.52 | nemo_ | hmmm don't worry. looks like it's a broken package install on mine. :< |
| 14:41.01 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/drupal ? |
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| 14:41.37 | Solet` | thanks for the help anyway, i'll prolly bounce in later when i have more time and have the contents of those up on a webpage somewhere.... i have shit to do :( (i never should have gone back to college) |
| 14:42.29 | TyreseJones | PerfDave- Umm... okay, how to i get my cron job to log to a a file of my choosing? |
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| 14:43.03 | PerfDave | TyreseJones: Redirect the output to a file of your choosing? |
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| 14:44.07 | emurz | How can I fix this problem? I'm not able to install the updated version. apt-get install debhelper kernel-package libqt3-mt-dev xlibs-dev libxtst-dev fakeroot rpm wget |
| 14:44.11 | emurz | ops |
| 14:44.25 | emurz | ou might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these. |
| 14:44.25 | emurz | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 14:44.25 | emurz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.25 | emurz | E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. |
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| 14:44.31 | ircdevil | how does one convert latex to txt (with bibtex) |
| 14:44.32 | ircdevil | ? |
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| 14:44.39 | emurz | =/ |
| 14:45.29 | pureone | syn |
| 14:45.40 | Morti | ack |
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| 14:47.40 | Freddy | /quit |
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| 14:49.15 | gnd | is there a repository of old debian unstable packages? |
| 14:50.08 | ircdevil | gnd: try apt-get.org |
| 14:50.55 | PerfDave | gnd: http://snapshot.debian.net/ may have what you want |
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| 14:51.17 | grepper | though they are not so *old* anymore :P |
| 14:51.47 | gnd | PerfDave: thanks, I just need to downgrade kdelibs-data |
| 14:51.52 | halmetti | hmm |
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| 14:52.36 | halmetti | "__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0)" and "Kernel Panic: Attempted to kill init!" |
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| 14:53.05 | halmetti | installer doesn't like me =) |
| 14:53.17 | Omster | In case this didn't get though (I got d/ced): Thanks abrotman and PerfDave, anjuta all working now :) |
| 14:53.26 | abrotman | Omster: all good ? |
| 14:53.38 | Omster | All seems fine :) |
| 14:53.44 | abrotman | yay |
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| 14:53.59 | sleon|tuX | hi |
| 14:54.15 | sleon|tuX | is there a tool for debian with which i can set hostname and domain name for a debian box? |
| 14:54.23 | Kerr | Wgat is the best/easiest way to stream music through a shoutcast server? LiveIce (for xmms) doesn'r seem to be working :-/ |
| 14:54.25 | sleon|tuX | i need grafikal tool for it :) |
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| 14:54.29 | Kerr | wha6^ |
| 14:54.31 | sleon|tuX | :D |
| 14:54.39 | sleon|tuX | or is it only possible under suse with yast? |
| 14:54.44 | sleon|tuX | *GG |
| 14:54.46 | sleon|tuX | joke |
| 14:54.51 | sleon|tuX | which file is reponsible for it? |
| 14:55.03 | Kerr | uh |
| 14:55.06 | sleon|tuX | should i enter hostname.domain at once? |
| 14:55.11 | sleon|tuX | or there are two places ? |
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| 14:55.21 | lestat | I'm having an issue trying to compile some docbook stuff: it requires /usr/share/sgml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets-1.66.1/fo/docbook.xsl, but I cannot find any match on Debian packages... |
| 14:55.32 | lestat | should I use /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/fo/docbook.xsl ? |
| 14:55.44 | [YAbbA] | Am i able to install mysql using apt-get? |
| 14:55.47 | cahoot | ircdevil: lyx is not an option? |
| 14:55.50 | [YAbbA] | as i just get a error msg. |
| 14:55.56 | [YAbbA] | Package mysql is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 14:55.56 | [YAbbA] | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 14:55.56 | [YAbbA] | is only available from another source |
| 14:55.56 | [YAbbA] | E: Package mysql has no installation candidate |
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| 14:56.05 | [YAbbA] | sorry. |
| 14:56.07 | PerfDave | [YAbbA]: I don't know whether you, personally, are able to do so, but it's technically possible. |
| 14:56.17 | Gathond | [YAbbA]: its called mysql-server or mysql-client not mysql |
| 14:56.26 | PerfDave | [YAbbA]: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:56.40 | [YAbbA] | ah .. thanks. |
| 14:57.13 | [YAbbA] | im used to use slackware .. debian is kinda new for me .. so . hehe .. :P |
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| 14:58.51 | PerfDave | [YAbbA]: Yeah, we have package management ;) |
| 14:59.05 | [YAbbA] | hah |
| 14:59.06 | lightboy | god morning for allzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 14:59.09 | [YAbbA] | slackware also have one. |
| 14:59.12 | [YAbbA] | swaret. :) |
| 14:59.29 | PerfDave | [YAbbA]: By the way, you might want to consider not using a nick that starts with punctuation, it makes it harder for people to tab-complete your nick and reply to you. |
| 14:59.30 | ix | debians package management is smooth. |
| 14:59.39 | PerfDave | [YAbbA]: No, Slack has several ;) |
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| 15:00.00 | [YAbbA] | Ok, i will think about my nick .. thanks for the help. |
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| 15:00.25 | ice_1963 | i know i can apt-get install kdegames in gnome but it do not show up in APPLICATIONS/game what file's do i need ??????? |
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| 15:01.22 | Gathond | ice_1963: they should show up in the debian menu, if gnome has that anyway |
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| 15:01.46 | abrotman | ice_1963: they will be in the debian menu .. not the gnome menu ... |
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| 15:02.27 | ice_1963 | thay do not |
| 15:02.27 | Gathond | ice_1963: you can probably add them to the gnome menu somehow, but since I dont use gnome I dont know how, I would assume its more trouble than its really worth though |
| 15:03.11 | san | is there any way to find out which running process use a particular application ( eg mailx)? |
| 15:03.37 | PerfDave | san: look at the parent process of mailx? Use pstree? |
| 15:03.59 | greycat | process accounting |
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| 15:04.02 | abrotman | ice_1963: do you have `menu` installed ? |
| 15:04.03 | photek | PerfDave, almost half an hour later and it's still stating `99% [Working]`, no network/harddisk activity, you think I should still leave it? |
| 15:04.09 | san | any other command? for HP-UX |
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| 15:04.15 | emurz | PerfDave: Do you know a good chess program for debian |
| 15:04.15 | greycat | !smite san |
| 15:04.17 | jethro | !lart san |
| 15:04.23 | emurz | PerfDave: I guess you love chess |
| 15:04.31 | halmetti | anyone could explain to me what does mean "ramdisk: compressed image found at block 0" and why sarge installer might freeze on it |
| 15:04.38 | san | lol |
| 15:04.45 | greycat | replace mailx with a wrapper script that logs $PPID and so on |
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| 15:05.01 | jethro | san: just in case you didn't notice, this is not a hp-ux support channel |
| 15:05.03 | PerfDave | emurz: I'm not aware of any chess programs for Debian. /msg dpkg search |
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| 15:05.26 | PerfDave | photek: Dunno. I had problems like that when I was using apt-proxy, and leaving them for some time sorted it out. |
| 15:05.38 | photek | ack |
| 15:05.54 | emurz | PerfDave: then what games do you play? |
| 15:06.05 | abrotman | enigma! |
| 15:06.11 | Kerr | What is the best/easiest way to stream music through a shoutcast server? LiveIce (for xmms) doesn'r seem to be working :-/ |
| 15:06.30 | abrotman | emurz: apt-cache search chess |
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| 15:06.43 | PerfDave | emurz: Unreal Tournament 2004? :) |
| 15:06.43 | sleon|tuX | Kerr, with mplayer? |
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| 15:07.56 | Phroziac | what's a good browser, that's in apt, for x11? |
| 15:07.57 | Kerr | sleon|tuX: ??? |
| 15:08.05 | sleon|tuX | Kerr, sorry no idea :) |
| 15:08.08 | Phroziac | besides mozilla, firefox, and konqueror. |
| 15:08.11 | emurz | Phroziac: I like forefix |
| 15:08.16 | emurz | *firefox |
| 15:08.23 | r3v | Phroziac: links2 |
| 15:08.28 | facet | Phroziac: depends what you are doing. dillo is v fast |
| 15:08.33 | Phroziac | emurz: firefox crashes CONSTANTLY for me. well, 3-10 times a day. |
| 15:08.36 | abrotman | v fast |
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| 15:08.53 | Kerr | !shoutcast |
| 15:08.58 | Kerr | !icecast |
| 15:08.58 | dpkg | it has been said that icecast is a GPL'd live mp3 streamer, http://www.icecast.org/ |
| 15:08.59 | abrotman | Phroziac: epiphany? konqueror? mozilla? |
| 15:09.00 | Kerr | ~.~ |
| 15:09.02 | Phroziac | i have to keep a konsole tab open to kill it when it dies |
| 15:09.05 | jethro | Kerr: /msg the bots |
| 15:09.18 | Phroziac | abrotman: i've never heard of epiphany, and hate the other two. |
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| 15:09.24 | abrotman | is there a KDE-ized gecko browser? |
| 15:09.30 | abrotman | !info epiphany-browser |
| 15:09.33 | dpkg | epiphany-browser: (Intuitive GNOME web browser), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.6.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3250 kB, Installed size: 8072 kB |
| 15:09.34 | Phroziac | does epiphany have tabbed browsing? |
| 15:09.56 | abrotman | Phroziac: it's a gnome app .. so maybe not a good plan for you ... Opera is nice .. but not officially in debian |
| 15:09.58 | sleon|tuX | Phroziac, testing |
| 15:10.17 | abrotman | Phroziac: do you have flash setup in firefox ? |
| 15:10.18 | sleon|tuX | abrotman, gnome rz kde sz |
| 15:10.21 | Phroziac | abrotman: i have gnome capabilities. |
| 15:10.27 | PerfDave | photek: Perhaps you should try to work out why Firefox is crashing for you :) |
| 15:10.28 | abrotman | sleon|tuX: english is good |
| 15:10.28 | sleon|tuX | Phroziac, yes |
| 15:10.30 | Phroziac | abrotman: no, but i have it setup in mozilla. |
| 15:10.33 | PerfDave | Phroziac: Perhaps you should try to work out why Firefox is crashing for you :) |
| 15:10.40 | sleon|tuX | there is tabbed support in epiphany |
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| 15:10.45 | sleon|tuX | abrotman, year year :) |
| 15:10.54 | abrotman | Phroziac: does firefox crash when there is flash on the page? |
| 15:10.59 | sleon|tuX | abrotman, kde is ugly :) and gnome is unusable and bugged |
| 15:11.04 | abrotman | sleon|tuX: are you always this retarded? |
| 15:11.05 | sleon|tuX | thats why i use gnome |
| 15:11.11 | Phroziac | abrotman: i never use anything with flash. usually when i'm on wikipedia |
| 15:11.11 | jethro | !troll sleon|tuX |
| 15:11.23 | sleon|tuX | abrotman, no after 5 hours of bind configuration :) |
| 15:11.25 | abrotman | !de |
| 15:11.25 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 15:12.05 | sleon|tuX | !troll ?? |
| 15:12.06 | dpkg | well, troll is a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html |
| 15:12.07 | junaidy | alo all, nite |
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| 15:12.13 | emurz | abrotman: when I tried installed some package it deleted so many packages for kde, how can I re-install them ? |
| 15:12.14 | Phroziac | PerfDave: i used mozilla for many months without crashing. then my profile screwed up. I think it makes a bad name for open source when something that simple can just screw the whole thing up. |
| 15:12.17 | abrotman | Phroziac: hrm .. epiphany is the same gecko engine that mozilla/firefox use .. i've been using opera for some time and quite like it |
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| 15:12.19 | FlopsyPete | what man page which teach me about skel / skeleton user account config pre-configuring? |
| 15:12.23 | abrotman | emurz: stop using sid? |
| 15:12.25 | sleon|tuX | ?? serious? |
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| 15:12.37 | emurz | abrotman: ok, now how can I fix it? |
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| 15:12.58 | abrotman | emurz: wait .. Sid is a wreck right now. Xorg and gcc at the same time .. eww |
| 15:12.58 | Phroziac | PerfDave: firefox has just always crashed no matter what i do, any suggestions to figure it out? |
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| 15:13.12 | PerfDave | Phroziac: It makes a bad name for open source when people don't bother trying to help the community fix problems they have and just bitch about them. |
| 15:13.22 | sleon|tuX | lol |
| 15:13.24 | sleon|tuX | i don't bitch |
| 15:13.28 | PerfDave | Phroziac: Did you try deleting your profile and starting again with a fresh one? |
| 15:13.28 | Phroziac | PerfDave: i'm no coder. |
| 15:13.28 | sleon|tuX | i accept and live with it |
| 15:13.37 | PerfDave | Phroziac: You don't have to be a coder to submit a bug report. |
| 15:13.38 | jethro | PerfDave: it's much easier to bitch, than to fix a problem |
| 15:13.39 | abrotman | Phroziac: neither am i |
| 15:13.43 | sleon|tuX | i accept that gnome is buggy and i use it |
| 15:13.47 | sleon|tuX | i am happy to be free |
| 15:13.47 | sleon|tuX | :D |
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| 15:13.50 | sleon|tuX | with buggy software |
| 15:13.52 | sleon|tuX | does not matter |
| 15:13.52 | abrotman | sleon|tuX: STOP |
| 15:14.03 | sleon|tuX | *freezed* |
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| 15:14.13 | Phroziac | PerfDave: first of all i'm on stable, so any bugs i have are probably already fixed ;p second, no |
| 15:14.21 | junaidy | how i want to block syn_recv in my www port? |
| 15:14.29 | abrotman | junaidy: iptables ? |
| 15:14.34 | sleon|tuX | and conary will kill dpkg |
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| 15:14.44 | PerfDave | Phroziac: Have you tried looking on the bug tracker for Debian's packages (or even the upstream ones) to find a fix or workaround? |
| 15:14.46 | emurz | abrotman: re-installing debian? |
| 15:14.47 | smagy2 | hello folks, how do i check how much of memory each process is using? i tried top, but it doesn't seem to fit all the process in the screen. |
| 15:14.54 | PerfDave | Bah, he ran away. |
| 15:15.01 | jethro | smagy2: ps, man ps |
| 15:15.08 | abrotman | emurz: if KDE in unstable is uninstallable at the moment .. reinstalling will do nothing |
| 15:15.26 | junaidy | yeap.. i already running it but the packet still coming |
| 15:15.32 | sleon|tuX | emurz, try kubuntu it is real ditro for desktop |
| 15:15.37 | abrotman | junaidy: ask #iptables .. they may have a hint |
| 15:15.41 | abrotman | sleon|tuX: shut the hell up |
| 15:15.48 | sleon|tuX | abrotman, why? |
| 15:16.04 | abrotman | sleon|tuX: why are you in #debian advocating kubuntu .. |
| 15:16.05 | sleon|tuX | abrotman, i use debian on my servers and i happy with it :) |
| 15:16.11 | sleon|tuX | abrotman, i am sysadmin :) |
| 15:16.13 | emurz | abrotman: in the installation process I choose desktop environment and I get screwed up both gnome and kde installed, how can I install kde only? |
| 15:16.15 | sleon|tuX | abrotman, i love debian for servers |
| 15:16.22 | abrotman | sleon|tuX: stop hitting enter ... |
| 15:16.26 | sleon|tuX | abrotman, ok |
| 15:16.28 | PerfDave | emurz: You're running unstable? There are bugs in KDE with unstable, you'll have to consult the BTS for how to fix them. |
| 15:16.29 | abrotman | !remove gnome |
| 15:16.30 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 15:16.35 | jethro | sleon|tuX: if you do'nt want to shut up, at least, please, don't hit enter every 3 4 words |
| 15:16.46 | sleon|tuX | jethro, ok |
| 15:16.55 | abrotman | can't i just get ability to +q? :) |
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| 15:16.58 | PerfDave | emurz: Personally, I don't use the task selection thing - I just use "apt-get install kdm kde-core x-window-system-core" and that does it. |
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| 15:17.32 | sleon|tuX | abrotman, what is mode +q? |
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| 15:17.47 | sleon|tuX | is there no metapackage for kde ? |
| 15:17.48 | jethro | sleon|tuX: what we need to have you a bit more quiet |
| 15:18.06 | emurz | ok, thanks all |
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| 15:18.14 | Om | sleon|tuX, silence. |
| 15:18.37 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 15:18.43 | PerfDave | sleon|tuX: There are several metapackages for KDE, depending on how much of KDE you wish to install. |
| 15:18.57 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 15:18.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 15:19.02 | sleon|tuX | how many debian package maintainers are out there? |
| 15:19.10 | Morti | 3. |
| 15:19.15 | Morti | And a half. |
| 15:19.18 | stew | !dstats |
| 15:19.29 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17242 packages, 1584 maintainers, 34380 MB installed size, 11048 MB compressed size. |
| 15:19.36 | stew | sleon|tuX: 1584 |
| 15:19.40 | sleon|tuX | AMAZING |
| 15:19.56 | zelezny | hello. i want to block an IP from accessing the debian server and the NAT on it. i added that ip to /etc/hosts.deny and did /etc/init.d/inetd restart but he was still able to access that server. can you help me pls? |
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| 15:20.27 | PerfDave | zelezny: NAT is not a service run out of inetd, so adding an IP to hosts.deny won't affect it. Use iptables? |
| 15:21.12 | stew | zelezny: iptables -A INPUT -s 1.2.3.4 -j DROP, replace 1.2.3.4 with the offending ip |
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| 15:21.24 | zelezny | thanks ... stew |
| 15:21.46 | PerfDave | Oh, no thanks for me? :( |
| 15:22.01 | stew | zelezny: that is NOT persistent it will be gone when you reboot |
| 15:22.12 | zelezny | oki.. thanks |
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| 15:23.38 | ubuntu | hello |
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| 15:24.35 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 15:24.35 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
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| 15:25.35 | lilldude | what fkey switches to gnome from kde rather than loging out on kde and re log in on gnome |
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| 15:26.05 | PerfDave | lilldude: There is no such key. Why do you want to jump between the two? |
| 15:26.18 | abrotman | if he had two X's running ... |
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| 15:26.19 | lilldude | so i can use gnome easy |
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| 15:26.35 | PerfDave | lilldude: Why not just run one and stick with it? |
| 15:26.48 | lilldude | could do that i use ke |
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| 15:27.09 | lilldude | i like gnome |
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| 15:27.45 | PerfDave | lilldude: You can run one on one VT, one on another and jump between them, but it'd be kind of pointless. You do know that you can run KDE apps in Gnome and vice-versa, right? |
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| 15:28.19 | Kerr | xmms-liveice refuses to work for me; yet gives no errors. How can i find out what is wrong? |
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| 15:28.34 | TyreseJones | How do i get grub to load a rom-o-matic disk image from my local HD? |
| 15:29.19 | greycat | memtest86 may have instructions for it |
| 15:29.20 | lilldude | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.27 | greycat | a lot of things depending on the context |
| 15:29.42 | greycat | "on one VT" means virtual terminal which probably means "Linux text console" in this context. |
| 15:29.55 | lilldude | cool |
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| 15:30.05 | lilldude | yeah at times id like gnome |
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| 15:30.15 | PerfDave | lilldude: In this context, the thing you get to by pressing "Ctrl-Alt-F[1-12]" from X consoles, or "Alt-F[1-12]" from text consoles. |
| 15:30.50 | lilldude | ok dave thanks |
| 15:30.59 | PerfDave | lilldude: Do you use kdm? |
| 15:31.05 | lilldude | yeah |
| 15:31.14 | gnat_x | i installed the debian firefox update as recommended by the security list, and now firefox has a segmentation fault when i try to launch it. |
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| 15:31.42 | lilldude | got to run |
| 15:31.53 | gnat_x | what would folks recommend to fix that? |
| 15:31.53 | lilldude | thankd for help bye |
| 15:32.19 | gnat_x | did this happen to anyone else? |
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| 15:33.32 | greycat | !details |
| 15:33.32 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian version, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
| 15:34.03 | gnat_x | *nod* sorry. |
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| 15:37.20 | gnat_x | running sarge with k7 2.6 stock kernel. used aptitude to install the most recent mozilla-firefox package. when i try to launch firefox from the command line i get Segmentation fault |
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| 15:39.11 | Gathond | gnat_x: try using strace to see where it fails |
| 15:39.18 | drac | gnat_x: BTS and use gdb/strace |
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| 15:41.41 | Ungy | if a drive I have remotely mounted via fstab goes down how to I get it back? |
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| 15:42.00 | osama | anyone knows what ls -ls on a directory does? thanks for the help |
| 15:42.04 | greycat | man ls |
| 15:42.20 | osama | greycat: i did but there is no info on ls -ls |
| 15:42.30 | RichiH | osama: there is info on -s and -l .. |
| 15:42.33 | Norbert | hi all; what's the easiest way to create a [Y/N]-user thing in bash? (doesn't matter what will happen when N or Y are pressed) |
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| 15:43.00 | greycat | Norbert: help read |
| 15:43.08 | osama | i was told when u do ls - ls on a directory u can see the "real" size of ur files, |
| 15:43.15 | greycat | jesus christ. |
| 15:43.36 | Ungy | osama drop it do what you were told to do |
| 15:44.02 | osama | Ungy: appreciate the help |
| 15:44.03 | flexy | Has anybody got BCM4306 wlan chip working with encryption? I'm using ndiswrapper, would like to know if I'm fighting the wind mills... |
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| 15:44.24 | RichiH | osama: no, matter of fact, you do _not_ appreciate the help |
| 15:44.36 | PerfDave | flexy: I suggest getting a card that's actually supported by Linux. |
| 15:44.44 | Ungy | osama appreciate the sarcasm you lazy prick |
| 15:44.49 | RichiH | osama: what you do is disregaed help in the vain hope that we will read docs for you just to make you shut up |
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| 15:45.36 | osama | well i wasn't able to find any docs on what i wanted |
| 15:45.45 | osama | this channel is really helpfull wow |
| 15:45.48 | Ungy | osama type "man ls" |
| 15:45.52 | Ungy | and hit enter |
| 15:45.56 | ^Duffy^ | hmm, is it possible to send a message to another user on the server through bash? both are online |
| 15:46.12 | Ungy | wow amazing sdocumentation on the ls command at hand so easily |
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| 15:46.31 | RichiH | osama: your asking implies you did not even bother to _run_ ls -ls |
| 15:46.43 | RichiH | else, you would see for yourself |
| 15:47.15 | bibe | ^Duffy^ : not through bash, but _from_ bash: try man write |
| 15:47.17 | RichiH | Ungy: tbh, the explanation of -l is a bit short, but if you try it, you can see what it does pretty fast... |
| 15:47.37 | drac | ls -laugh |
| 15:47.46 | Ungy | RichiH, umm I don;t need an explanation I know what it means thanks though |
| 15:48.09 | RichiH | Ungy: i assumed you did not. i was answering your line about the amazing docs |
| 15:48.20 | Ungy | On another note I have a remote mount I connect through via fstba the machine was rebooted can I recover this drive or do I need to remount it? |
| 15:48.25 | osama | RichiH: as a matter of fact i did run ls -ls, but wasn't sure what the numbers to the left represent |
| 15:49.40 | stew | osama: read the ls manpage and look up the -s and -l options |
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| 15:50.15 | Chloe | salut |
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| 15:50.20 | ^Duffy^ | bibe: thanks alot |
| 15:50.33 | bibe | ^Duffy^ : no problem |
| 15:50.53 | greycat | typical GNU docs. "print size of each file, in blocks" |
| 15:51.19 | greycat | and "--block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks". No mention of what the fucking DEFAULT BLOCK SIZE IS. |
| 15:51.32 | Ungy | ^Duffy^, I like to use talk |
| 15:51.34 | greycat | Not even a "your default block size is dependent upon your system". Nothing. |
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| 15:51.49 | Chloe | existe il des endroits réservés au 25-35 ans?? |
| 15:51.55 | greycat | !fr |
| 15:51.55 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 15:52.08 | RichiH | osama: try ls -l and ls -ls.. tada, you know |
| 15:52.11 | greycat | but your question sounds rather off-topic even there. |
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| 15:54.01 | sombra | How can I view the PGP sign for a file? |
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| 15:54.14 | jethro | why is it #debian-france and no longer #debian-fr ? #debian-fr has much more people in it |
| 15:54.15 | Ungy | RichiH, you bored? I mean if the guy can't figure out how ls works he really shouldn't be using linux no? |
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| 15:54.33 | emurz | Is there any specific package for the debian's menus? |
| 15:54.42 | sombra | How can I view the PGP signature for a file. like http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/httpd-2.0.54.tar.gz.asc? |
| 15:54.54 | sqbell | Can I use exim4 and .forward file to forward mail to spamassassin ? |
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| 15:54.59 | Ungy | emurz, let me guess yoru on unstable and you recently upgraded and your menu has disappeared? |
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| 15:55.07 | petemc | Ungy: i dont think anyone has the right to say who should or shouldnt be using linux, you can not give them support if you like... |
| 15:55.17 | emurz | Ungy: not really, I'm on stable |
| 15:55.17 | stew | emurz: its "menu" |
| 15:55.22 | greycat | "Free" means anyone can use it. |
| 15:55.39 | PerfDave | sqbell: That's one way of doing it, yes. |
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| 15:55.53 | greycat | jethro: if the factoid is wrong, please correct it |
| 15:55.55 | emurz | I simply don't have the menus of debian's. there is the debian tab between menus |
| 15:56.02 | gnat_x | which part of the strace is relevant for help? |
| 15:56.14 | sqbell | PerfDave: If I use .forward exim freezes my messages ("Mailing to remote domains not supported")... :-/ |
| 15:56.15 | petemc | usually ^open |
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| 15:56.22 | jethro | greycat: I recall reading #debian-fr in it, and I just checked, -france is much less crowded |
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| 15:56.44 | jethro | greycat: if not factinfo, which command can give me the last modification of the factoid? |
| 15:56.50 | PerfDave | sqbell: Then don't try forwarding to an unconfigured remote domain? :) |
| 15:57.25 | greycat | jethro: I think the french #debian channels are playing mind-fuck games with chanserv. I can't see #debian-france in /list *at all* now. |
| 15:57.32 | greycat | jethro: earlier, I recall not seeing -fr at all. |
| 15:57.43 | jethro | greycat: also, I've been away from #debian for more than a months, and it could have been changed for reasons |
| 15:57.44 | sombra | md5sum <file> is to check the MD5Sum, but how do I check the PGP signature? |
| 15:57.52 | jethro | aight I'll just change it, and if someone complains, he'll change it again :) |
| 15:57.57 | greycat | sombra: man pgp |
| 15:58.01 | greycat | man gpg, even. |
| 15:58.06 | greycat | after installing gnupg |
| 15:58.07 | Ungy | well I guess I will just reboot sincei don't want to screw anything up by remounting in case fstab automagically recovers remote filesystems |
| 15:58.17 | sqbell | PerfDave: I'm not.. I tried to: "|IFS=' ' && exec /usr/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 #sqbell" |
| 15:58.46 | sqbell | as it is written on spamassassin.apache.org |
| 15:58.57 | flexy | PerfDave: well, that is not an option right now... and the wlan works, just unencrypted. |
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| 16:00.28 | emurz | PerfDave: You know there is the debian's menu in the menubar. Is there a specific package for it? |
| 16:00.32 | PerfDave | flexy: I understand that doing WEP or WPA encryption on non-supported hardware is pretty much impossible, but don't hold me to that because I don't use it. |
| 16:00.38 | PerfDave | emurz: Sorry, I don't use Gnome. |
| 16:00.46 | emurz | in KDE I mean |
| 16:01.00 | PerfDave | emurz: Dunno, they're just there. |
| 16:01.04 | r3v | emurz: menu |
| 16:01.05 | emurz | PerfDave: Don't you have a menu called "Debian" in the menubar? |
| 16:01.08 | grendal_prime | hey when your setting up an fstab for a specific user do you have to use the uid number of the user..or can you use there textual name |
| 16:01.10 | grendal_prime | ? |
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| 16:01.17 | PerfDave | emurz: Yes |
| 16:01.31 | r3v | emurz: the program 'menu' does the debian menu in kde |
| 16:01.41 | emurz | existenz:/home/emurz# menu |
| 16:01.41 | emurz | bash: menu: command not found |
| 16:01.45 | grendal_prime | like in the options secion of the fstab entry...where it is set to "uid=" |
| 16:01.56 | xsdg | emurz: apt-get install menu |
| 16:02.20 | grendal_prime | could i do this is what im wondering.... rw,noauto,uid=mconner |
| 16:02.31 | grendal_prime | or do i need to look up the users uid and use that instead |
| 16:02.34 | PerfDave | grendal_prime: man fstab |
| 16:02.36 | PerfDave | grendal_prime: man mount |
| 16:02.43 | grendal_prime | k |
| 16:02.48 | emurz | ah, now it works :-) |
| 16:03.02 | gnat_x | is the section of an strace right before the actual Seg fault the part i should focus on? |
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| 16:06.18 | grendal_prime | ya that really doesnt help...it does not mention uid actually...kinda werid |
| 16:06.27 | grendal_prime | it mentions uuid..and user |
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| 16:08.35 | emurz | hello, what does this error mean: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 16:08.35 | emurz | Xlib: No protocol specified |
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| 16:09.24 | jcuk | How do i view my partition table via console? |
| 16:09.29 | emurz | fdisk |
| 16:09.33 | TextBrowserLove | cfdisk |
| 16:09.34 | emurz | then p |
| 16:09.36 | TextBrowserLove | yah or fdisk ^_^ |
| 16:09.38 | drac | emurz: Trying to run something as root in X? |
| 16:09.47 | emurz | emurz: yeppers, synaptic. |
| 16:09.47 | PerfDave | emurz: Usually that you're trying to run a graphical application as a different user to the user running the X session. |
| 16:09.49 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/hda etc |
| 16:09.54 | PerfDave | emurz: /msg dpkg sux |
| 16:10.35 | rr72 | somone told me a long time ago that sid was going to become stable soon. is that true? |
| 16:10.39 | abrotman | no |
| 16:11.05 | PerfDave | rr72: Sid will never become stable |
| 16:11.08 | abrotman | !sid |
| 16:11.08 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 16:11.51 | rr72 | will there be another stable release? |
| 16:11.56 | PerfDave | rr72: Yes |
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| 16:12.05 | rr72 | cool |
| 16:12.07 | rr72 | thanks |
| 16:12.12 | compgrokker | rr72 etch will be the next stable |
| 16:12.16 | PerfDave | rr72: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 16:12.35 | Lee__ | which toy story guy was Etch? |
| 16:12.47 | veleno | i was next to ask in debian-ru, but since it's empty, i'll do that here: i need to provide to a friend of mine a file containing russian fonts, readable from a mac os x operative system. any help ? |
| 16:12.49 | compgrokker | Lee__ etch-a-sketch |
| 16:12.54 | emRick | after Debian runs out of characters, will they fund the making of Toy Story 3? |
| 16:13.13 | Lee__ | ha! neato. toy story 3 will suck. no more Pixar. |
| 16:13.16 | rr72 | i just figured out that its all ToyStory |
| 16:13.24 | rr72 | i didnt realize |
| 16:13.37 | greycat | emRick: we haven't run out of toy story *one* chars yet. |
| 16:13.57 | greycat | let alone TS2, bug's life, nemo, incredibles, ... |
| 16:14.00 | emurz | PerfDave: do you have an online pic of your desktop that you can share? |
| 16:14.12 | jordan | Hi guys,i've installed some programs from synaptic, I use KDE, but I can't find this program in my KDE menù that I can open clicking on K in the application bar |
| 16:14.29 | emRick | greycat: I'm talking in 2237 after Debian has taken over the solar system. |
| 16:14.35 | compgrokker | i just hope when we run out of toy story 1 characters and go to 2, one of the releases is not called 'stinky' :P |
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| 16:14.38 | Lee__ | hell yeah. Debian 6.0 Mr. Incredible! |
| 16:14.46 | greycat | compgrokker: heh |
| 16:14.54 | PerfDave | emurz: I could take one, if you really want |
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| 16:15.10 | greycat | although "Dash" would be a hell of a good codename. |
| 16:15.16 | emurz | PerfDave: sure, I'd be pleased. |
| 16:15.24 | Lee__ | definitely |
| 16:15.35 | compgrokker | greycat: yeah |
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| 16:15.57 | Lee__ | but Elastigirl would confuse many more. |
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| 16:16.11 | greycat | Elastigirl *rocks*. |
| 16:16.24 | emRick | that's the erotica release |
| 16:16.28 | compgrokker | heh, my kid brother is in love with elastigirl |
| 16:16.31 | PerfDave | Elastigirl is so my girlfriend's daughter it's not true. |
| 16:16.51 | mathieu | hi is there an app in stable that shows you thumbnails of pictures ? |
| 16:16.56 | flexy | PerfDave: Right. Well, anyway, ndiswrapper logs claim that both WEP and WPA encryptions are supported, so I was hoping that perhaps they actually do work and it's just my glove error preventing to get them working... I'm new to WLAN, been using it for perhaps 3 days now :) |
| 16:17.19 | PerfDave | flexy: *shrug* I dunno. Anyway, I'm not going to try and support non-Linux-supported hardware. |
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| 16:17.38 | Lee__ | flexy: ndiswrapper is pure hell. I settled on spending more money for a card that has real drivers in the end. |
| 16:18.08 | xoz | mathieu: apt-cache search thumbnail |
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| 16:18.37 | emRick | mathieu: kuickview and gwenview are pretty good |
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| 16:19.11 | Apple | what card would you guys recommend for gigabit ethernet? a netgear, linksys, or dlink? for best support as it will be used in a VPN |
| 16:19.26 | Lee__ | Apple: Intel e1000 |
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| 16:19.31 | emRick | mathieu: there's also this one but I haven't tried it yet |
| 16:19.33 | emRick | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.34 | flexy | PerfDave: well, that was a mishap on my part... buying the wrong kind of HW... I think I'm fine with unencrypted connections, for now atleast. But asking does not hurt, if someone happens to know some trick to get it working... |
| 16:19.37 | jordan | how can I find programs that I have installed?I can't see them on my KDE... |
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| 16:19.59 | Lee__ | flexy: I know a trick to get ndiswrapper to segfault |
| 16:19.59 | tapas | hi, how bad will debian hickup when i simply delete one of its packages files? |
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| 16:20.04 | Apple | Lee__, thanks |
| 16:20.16 | PerfDave | tapas: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 16:20.18 | stew | tapas: what file? why do you want to delete it? |
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| 16:20.24 | PerfDave | flexy: You can ask, but I imagine that most people will advice that it's easier to get a card that's actually supported by Linux. |
| 16:20.30 | flexy | Lee__: yep, well, I'll play with this for now, atleast... |
| 16:20.30 | PerfDave | Gah, s/advice/advise/ |
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| 16:20.49 | tapas | i need to replace cmt.so [ladspa plugins, cause it's non functional]. jack-rack depends on it though, so i just plan to build it from source and see hwat happens :) |
| 16:20.50 | emRick | jordan: packages leave results at /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ... someone else might have a better lest |
| 16:20.55 | tapas | [cms.so from source that is] |
| 16:20.55 | emRick | /lest/list/ |
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| 16:21.03 | Lee__ | tapas: what's wrong with CMT plugs? |
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| 16:21.14 | tapas | Lee__: the freeverb don't work as described here: |
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| 16:21.30 | tapas | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=324529 |
| 16:21.42 | emRick | jordan: try "ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list" |
| 16:21.43 | flexy | PerfDave: anyway, I could send the wlan AP and pcmcia card back to the seller, if I knew what to buy instead |
| 16:21.44 | Lee__ | if you built your own package from source and don't want Debian to touch it, look into APT pinning in the APT howto. |
| 16:21.50 | stew | tapas: seems like maybe you want equivs: /msg dpkg equivs ; what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:22.10 | mathieu | xoz, emRick thanks |
| 16:22.12 | Lee__ | tapas: consider making your own custom package with the source. |
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| 16:22.25 | tapas | stew: i looked inhto that before and it's too complicated for this CS student of mine. i think i will simply throw down both packages, cmt and jack-rack and roll both from source into /usr/local/ |
| 16:22.57 | Lee__ | tapas: perhaps you can pull that package from sid if the bug has been fixed? |
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| 16:23.09 | tapas | Lee__: sorry, i run unstable already |
| 16:23.16 | stew | Lee__: same version of cmt is in woody/etch/sid |
| 16:23.23 | Lee__ | my bad. |
| 16:23.27 | stew | err s/woody/sarge/ |
| 16:23.28 | tapas | Lee__: you're not by chance lee revell? |
| 16:23.41 | Lee__ | nope. who's he? |
| 16:23.58 | tapas | Lee__: ah, a dud very active in linux audio development. would have been a nice coincidence |
| 16:24.05 | tapas | s/dud/dude/ |
| 16:24.07 | Lee__ | I do do a lot of audio work with Debian. |
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| 16:24.30 | tapas | Lee__: cool, what kind of stuff you doing? |
| 16:24.31 | Lee__ | mostly on the Internet radio tip ATM. |
| 16:24.50 | Lee__ | http://pandora.97montrose.org |
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| 16:24.57 | emurz | PerfDave: Did you upload your desktop's ss? |
| 16:25.06 | leOn | hey all |
| 16:25.11 | tapas | Lee__: cool |
| 16:25.24 | Dewi | PerfDave: so much for the sarge installer. install stops while probing my SATA controller |
| 16:25.44 | Lee__ | Dewi: you using the 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:25.45 | tapas | Lee__: you reading/writing on LAD/LAU by any chance? |
| 16:26.13 | leOn | i'm wondering if there have been any reports regarding windows clients not being able to join samba with ldap passdb backend.. |
| 16:26.20 | Lee__ | tapas: not in a while. need to get back into it now that Ardour is quite stable. I actually edited a 2:30" piece with it :) |
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| 16:26.23 | Dewi | Lee__: I was using sarge |
| 16:26.26 | leOn | samba domain, i mean |
| 16:26.27 | Dewi | Lee__: what's sarge on? |
| 16:26.46 | tapas | Lee__: hehe, ok. we'll probably run into each other there. real life name is florian schmidt. pleased to meet you |
| 16:26.50 | Lee__ | Dewi: 2.4 by default, you have to boot the installer with linux26 at the prompt. |
| 16:26.55 | Dewi | Lee__: I actually want to use testing, but its installer tells me I'm not connected to the internet and skips network setup |
| 16:27.06 | Dewi | (as in the installer on yesterday's daily) |
| 16:27.45 | leOn | anyone using samba with ldap backend? |
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| 16:28.20 | Dewi | Lee__: is 2.6 support in sarge... complete? |
| 16:28.32 | Lee__ | yes, very complete. |
| 16:28.42 | Lee__ | completely complete, I'd say. |
| 16:28.55 | Dewi | Lee__: yet not default. I guess some people don't like the change... |
| 16:29.11 | leOn | Lee__: udev has issues with sarge 2.6 kernel |
| 16:29.15 | xoz | full support |
| 16:29.18 | PerfDave | emurz: I'm working on it |
| 16:29.37 | Lee__ | or does udev have issues with the 2.6 kernel in general? |
| 16:29.46 | PerfDave | I think that udev has issues in general. |
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| 16:30.07 | woodland | good morning there |
| 16:30.12 | cbr | udev is good |
| 16:30.16 | leOn | sorry ... the issues are in unstable |
| 16:30.21 | masoft | anybody know a program to DEFRAG the VFAT filesystems in Linux ? |
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| 16:30.29 | Dewi | does anyone know why a recent installer would skip network setup, telling me I don't appear to be connected to the internet? |
| 16:30.32 | emurz | PerfDave: I'll brb for a moment, restarting my box |
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| 16:30.36 | Dewi | (and going straight to PPP prompting) |
| 16:30.37 | leOn | kernel version is < 2.6.12 needed by latest udev |
| 16:30.37 | JohnnyST | Dose someone know of any virus and or spam proxy filtering for pop3 and imap? |
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| 16:30.49 | Tye_ | JohnnyST: ClamAV? |
| 16:30.55 | Lee__ | spamassasin |
| 16:30.58 | woodland | how do i update my video driver |
| 16:31.03 | JohnnyST | ok |
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| 16:31.20 | leOn | i'm stuck ... =/ |
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| 16:31.41 | PerfDave | Dewi: Because you're using a non-stable version of the installer, which has random bugs because it's under heavy active development right now? |
| 16:31.45 | Lee__ | leOn: you can build your own kernel with kernel-package |
| 16:31.58 | leOn | Lee__: i use 2.6.12 already |
| 16:32.01 | gnat_x | can i send something to debian-user@lists.debian without signing up for the list? |
| 16:32.04 | PerfDave | leOn: You're using sid, by any chance? |
| 16:32.34 | leOn | PerfDave: i use unstable in desktop machines, yes |
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| 16:32.51 | PerfDave | leOn: Unstable has dependency bugs like that. If you can't fix them, you may be better off running stable. |
| 16:33.07 | Dewi | PerfDave: and yet stable's kernel is so old it doesn't support my old SATA controller. But I'll try forcing it onto 2.6. |
| 16:33.12 | leOn | PerfDave: i don't have any problems with my desktop machines =) |
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| 16:33.29 | Lee__ | Dewi: stable has *TWO* kernels. |
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| 16:33.32 | PerfDave | Dewi: There are many kernels in stable, including ones with SATA support. |
| 16:33.33 | zophyx | my raid is screwed up, can i mount the initrd that the kernel uses for booting as the root filesystem with the 'root=/dev/xxx' option ? |
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| 16:33.44 | PerfDave | leOn: Then what are you complaining about? |
| 16:33.44 | leOn | was just talking to someone here with those problems apparently |
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| 16:34.16 | leOn | PerfDave: my problem is with samba .. dunno if it's a samba problem or the issue is debian specific |
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| 16:34.53 | xoz | leOn: actually the problem was udev was updated but the kernel it dpend on did not enter sid with it. more of syncro problem than a real bug |
| 16:35.07 | leOn | not being able to join machines to the samba domain |
| 16:35.12 | aalex | Err http://ftp.debian.org unstable/main lsb-base 3.0-4 \n 404 Not Found -----)) I guess I could add repositories to my config in order to get this package. I get a 404 error !! Strange. Where can I find / understand the repositories list ? |
| 16:35.22 | Roadrunne | hi, how can I use 'ssh -R ...' without having a terminal? (just want to add a secure connection at boot) |
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| 16:35.37 | rob_lt | Is there a way to see what the post install scripts are for a particular .deb? For example, I just created a .deb using java-package, and I would like to see what it does besides just install a bunch of files. |
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| 16:35.57 | woodland | how do i install real player |
| 16:36.02 | leOn | rob_lt: check the rules files |
| 16:36.14 | xoz | leOn: possible that the password is plaintext or encrypted while the other machines use the opposite with what it is configured |
| 16:36.26 | rob_lt | leOn, thanks |
| 16:36.30 | leOn | xoz: it's not an authentication issue |
| 16:36.35 | berzerkerman | Hi, how can i make X start without a keyboard or mouse plugged in? |
| 16:36.44 | PerfDave | Roadrunne: Put it in a cron job? |
| 16:36.55 | woodland | does anybody know how do i install real player |
| 16:37.03 | PerfDave | !tell woodland -about repeat |
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| 16:37.10 | greycat | why the fuck would you *want* to? |
| 16:37.11 | PerfDave | woodland: Ask Real :) |
| 16:37.30 | greycat | if there's *anything* worse than Microsoft's Windows Media codecs, =it's Real's. |
| 16:37.31 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: the it's run more than once? just thought about adding it to /etc/init.d, but ssh want to have a terminal, isn't it? |
| 16:37.37 | leOn | my machine add script worlks as it successfully creates the machine entry with the posix attributes, but then samba has to ass the sambaSamAccount stuff and it's failing because it's trying to add the entry again instead of just altering it |
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| 16:37.53 | xoz | berzerkerman: in the X config, Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "boolean" |
| 16:37.54 | PerfDave | Roadrunne: You can use cron to run tasks at boot - man 5 crontab |
| 16:37.57 | woodland | hi, kama |
| 16:38.03 | kamaraju | woodland: Hi |
| 16:38.07 | berzerkerman | xoz: Thanks a lot |
| 16:38.14 | greycat | ssh doesn't have to have a terminal. |
| 16:38.16 | woodland | kama, how do iinstall real player |
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| 16:38.33 | greycat | woodland: ask real.com -- it's THEIR fucking atrocity, not ours. |
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| 16:38.37 | nvz | if and when this fucking ups man ever shows up I am robbing his ass. I dont know what I pay these people for they are slower than a moped in reverse |
| 16:38.38 | leOn | just wanted to know if anyone running samba 3.0.14a-3 from debian is able to do such operations |
| 16:38.38 | rob_lt | Roadrunne, or just make an /etc/init.d/local script and add it with update-rc.d local defaults (after making it executable) |
| 16:38.46 | Ungy | !beer greycat |
| 16:38.48 | greycat | make sure you pick up your free baby seal club too! |
| 16:38.49 | xoz | berzerkerman: but for keyboard, i don't know. try man xorg.conf |
| 16:38.52 | kamaraju | woodland: Which distribution? stable/testing/unstable? |
| 16:38.59 | woodland | greycat i didnt ask, so shut the FUCK UP |
| 16:39.05 | woodland | debian |
| 16:39.08 | leOn | if so it's my problem and not a software problem (which would be very bad) |
| 16:39.12 | greycat | seems to me he asked at least thrice. |
| 16:39.16 | woodland | stable |
| 16:39.21 | resiak | What is the "right" way to handle the fact that my laptop's screen can only handle 1024x768 but my TFT, to which it is sometimes connected, does 1280x1024? Is it possible to craft an /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 that checks which screen is available? If so, where should I read up on this? |
| 16:39.22 | greycat | oh well -- that's what /ignore is for. |
| 16:39.22 | usn | hi folx |
| 16:39.45 | woodland | kama, there must be apt-get command for that |
| 16:40.08 | PerfDave | resiak: What happens when you try to run 1280x1024 on the LCD? |
| 16:40.11 | kamaraju | woodland: on unstable, I can do apt-get install realplayer. Not sure about sarge though. |
| 16:40.18 | leOn | resiak: you can configure multiple resolutions |
| 16:40.20 | resiak | PerfDave: *tries it* |
| 16:40.20 | woodland | ok |
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| 16:40.22 | PerfDave | resiak: Don't forget, 1280x1024 doesn't exist! It's all driver hacks! ;) |
| 16:40.24 | jchaoul | I set df to show a 1024 blocksize.... so if i add up all the blocks it comes to 11607838 blocks. So thats 11607838 MB? |
| 16:40.29 | resiak | leOn: Yeah, I'm aware of that. |
| 16:40.34 | Apple | Lee__, http://tinyurl.com/bck4r <-- newegg, which one is really the e1000 ? |
| 16:40.36 | nvz | !+info realplayer |
| 16:40.37 | dpkg | Package 'realplayer' does not exist. |
| 16:40.44 | Roadrunne | PerfDave, rob_lt: starting it is not the prob, I get an error 'Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal.' when using 'nohup ssh -R 8184:localhost:8184 user@host &' |
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| 16:41.03 | PerfDave | Roadrunne: Don't use nohup, use "ssh -f -N" or similar. |
| 16:41.06 | woodland | kama, when i do 'apt-cache search real' on my system, i dont see any real player listed |
| 16:41.18 | leOn | woodland: just use mplayer |
| 16:41.21 | nvz | woodland: thats because its not in debian see above |
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| 16:41.50 | woodland | leon, can i play .rm files with mplayer |
| 16:41.54 | nvz | woodland: you can use any player in debian for viewing real media files |
| 16:42.05 | woodland | thanx nvz |
| 16:42.06 | nvz | woodland: you just need the w32codecs package from the marillat repo |
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| 16:42.18 | displague | is there a compose combo for "not equal"? I tried variations of /= to no evail... |
| 16:42.18 | kamaraju | woodland: I can play most .rm files with mplayer |
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| 16:42.32 | Lee__ | Apple: e1000 is a chipset driver. it's used in a lot of cards. You'll have to look at some specs. look here for what to avoid: http://leenooks.com/1 |
| 16:42.39 | woodland | nvz, so if i do 'apt-get install mplayer' will it also install all codecs |
| 16:42.56 | PerfDave | emurz: http://technomancer.homelinux.org/~grimoire/temp/2005-08-21-desktop.jpg |
| 16:42.57 | Roadrunne | PerfDave: sounds good, thanks! |
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| 16:43.00 | PeterB | displague: != ? |
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| 16:43.08 | leOn | woodland: use marillats sources |
| 16:43.11 | displague | ≠≠|
| 16:43.15 | Apple | thanks lee |
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| 16:43.20 | nvz | woodland: nope and neither is in debian |
| 16:43.31 | kamaraju | woodland: I forgot how I installed realplayer. I remember it to be apt-get install realplayer. But now it is not there.... |
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| 16:44.01 | displague | PeterB: if that shows up as unicode, that is what I am trying to compose - I tried "alt / =" , "= /" "! =" and "= !" and others |
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| 16:44.28 | nvz | realplayer was never there. and you can use xine, totem.. or whatever you like if you want to install unofficial packages for the codecs |
| 16:44.30 | PeterB | displague: I see it. Just no idea how to type it. |
| 16:44.38 | emurz | PerfDave: nice one, is that one with the article RSS reader? |
| 16:44.44 | Thunder000 | i typed useradd -d /home/oracle oracle .. but i didn't find the specified home dir "/home/oracle") .. why is that ?? |
| 16:44.56 | PerfDave | emurz: Yeah, that's Akregator |
| 16:44.58 | Dewi | could anyone tell me the difference between cdimage-testing/daily/ and cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/ ? |
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| 16:45.16 | PerfDave | !tell mijndert -about away |
| 16:45.30 | mijndert | hehe |
| 16:45.31 | emurz | PerfDave: is that program for IM called Rai, I wonder if it's better than Gaim |
| 16:45.48 | PerfDave | emurz: No, Psi. It's not a multi-protocol IM client, it's a pure Jabber client. |
| 16:45.52 | nvz | I hate it when I am looking for something that is on my person. its even worse when its in your hand |
| 16:46.07 | mijndert | PerfDave: sorry :) |
| 16:46.24 | leOn | Thunder000: if you have read the useradd man page you'd see that -m does "The user's home directory will be created if it does not exist." |
| 16:46.25 | emurz | PerfDave: does it support voice conversation? |
| 16:46.37 | displague | PeterB: do you know how to use compose keys? in gnome - system ->preferences->keyboard->layout options->compose key .. click that key then ' then a to see accented a, for example.. many unicode characters are available in this logical composing way .. I have never found a list of the available ones though - and I haven't checked the code |
| 16:46.53 | PerfDave | emurz: Not that I'm aware of, though I believe there is an extension to Jabber to support brokering SIP / H323 conversations. |
| 16:46.57 | displague | PeterB: if you are not using gnome, you just use your compose key however you define it - xset i think |
| 16:47.15 | Thunder000 | leOn: thanks |
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| 16:47.32 | displague | PeterB: it should also be available from the console without much work - just checking your LANG variable, i think |
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| 16:49.15 | leOn | 794 users and noone uses samba with ldap backend as a DC ? =P |
| 16:49.32 | PerfDave | leOn: /msg dpkg further help |
| 16:49.35 | xsdg | leOn: 8) |
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| 16:50.02 | ke6isf | leOn: We don't have *all* the answers. =^^= |
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| 16:50.36 | xoz | samba is just one of the 17000 packages in debian |
| 16:50.59 | kamaraju | There are 17000 packages? |
| 16:51.08 | PerfDave | Eww, some scary person on here is running Firefox on *Windows* |
| 16:51.13 | nvz | !dstats sid |
| 16:51.18 | Ungy | xoz I thought there was more then that |
| 16:51.22 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17242 packages, 1584 maintainers, 34380 MB installed size, 11048 MB compressed size. |
| 16:51.23 | ke6isf | PerfDave: *twitch* |
| 16:51.32 | ke6isf | Hmm... |
| 16:51.33 | xoz | oh, im close |
| 16:51.35 | ke6isf | !dstats sarge |
| 16:51.48 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
| 16:52.05 | kamaraju | cool |
| 16:52.05 | resiak | PerfDave: It doesn't appear to like switching to the TFT and back without restarting X. :( |
| 16:52.08 | Ungy | PerfDave at least he isn't using IE |
| 16:52.10 | displague | 801 users and noone uses compose keys for not equal ? |
| 16:52.27 | resiak | PerfDave: But as it happens, it does fall back to 1024x768 if it can't do $fakeres |
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| 16:52.39 | resiak | displague: 801 users and not all of them use the same charset ? |
| 16:52.43 | nvz | alright now, knock it off with the stupid there are ___ users and nobody uses foo crap |
| 16:52.57 | displague | resiak: unicode! who needs another |
| 16:53.08 | leOn | PerfDave: better firefox on windows than ie on windows |
| 16:53.09 | resiak | 801 users and no-one ever shuts up? |
| 16:53.13 | nvz | heh |
| 16:53.13 | displague | heh |
| 16:53.38 | resiak | displague: I agree, but not all the other 797 people here do. |
| 16:53.45 | leOn | resiak: people come here when they feel lonely |
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| 16:54.19 | leOn | i really don't have a samba problem ... that's just an excuse for talking to someone |
| 16:54.27 | greycat | !fuck xoz |
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| 16:55.09 | atrus | is there such a thing as a moderately successful n64 emulator for linux |
| 16:55.17 | displague | resiak: i'm just guessing, but i think that the charset is taken into consideration by the magic of X and the console.. I think if you do a compose key + " ? " + " ? " you will get an upside question mark as long as your charset has such a character -- i may very well be wrong here |
| 16:55.31 | resiak | displague: You are very wrong there. |
| 16:55.36 | greycat | !iso8859 |
| 16:55.36 | dpkg | If you want to type ISO8859-1 (or similar) characters on your US keyboard, put "export LANG=en_US.ISO8859-1" in your .bash_profile (or whatever) and restart X. Use the right Windows key (on pc104) as your Compose/Multi_key key. Press <Compose><e><'> to make é, etc. In xf4.2, you may have to run xmodmap -e 'keysym Super_R = Multi_key' also. |
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| 16:56.02 | emurz | PerfDave: what program do you use to display the temp of your cpu |
| 16:56.09 | leOn | oh well ... time to take my samba problem home ... maybe my 2 year old can help... |
| 16:56.09 | emurz | I noticed it's placed in the tray |
| 16:56.20 | leOn | later all =) |
| 16:56.24 | displague | resiak: that looks like what i said - that the compose key and the lang are in cahoots (sp) |
| 16:56.30 | xoz | leOn: #samba or #ldap |
| 16:56.43 | leOn | xoz: been there, done that ... ;) |
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| 16:56.54 | resiak | displague: If you send a UTF-8 upside-down question mark, the non-UTF-8 people in here will see garbage. |
| 16:56.59 | PerfDave | resiak: Is there any way to use something like read-edid to determine which device you're connected to? |
| 16:57.10 | resiak | PerfDave: Probably. Whatever, I'm not too bothered. :) |
| 16:57.24 | PerfDave | emurz: That's ksensors |
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| 16:57.49 | kamaraju | Is there any way to set up something like 'vacation' or 'away' message on IRC so that my screen wont be filled up with messages when I am away? |
| 16:57.58 | displague | resiak: but regardles sof my charset, i will see the character i composed... it's not going to autoconvert for them, i know, but i'm saying that each of them (regardless of charset) has a reason to know compose keys |
| 16:58.10 | PerfDave | kamaraju: /away |
| 16:58.36 | kamaraju | PerfDave: and how to come back? where do I read all these commands? |
| 16:58.42 | albo | how can i set my eth0 wired to full duplex |
| 16:58.46 | greycat | kamaraju: /help |
| 16:58.47 | PerfDave | kamaraju: Depends on your IRC client :) |
| 16:59.09 | resiak | displague: You will see the character, but what use is that if most of the other people in here can't read it? |
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| 16:59.39 | kamaraju | PerfDave: These commands depend on the client? I thought the IRC provides them. Anyway thanks. I will check up konversation's manual then. |
| 16:59.41 | displague | because i want to see it on my screen, for other purposes |
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| 17:00.10 | emurz | PerfDave: I got it installed here, but where is it located. |
| 17:00.33 | abrotman | displague: you wish |
| 17:00.34 | PerfDave | emurz: Where is what located? |
| 17:00.58 | emurz | I mean where can I run it from |
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| 17:01.29 | PerfDave | emurz: The "Utilities" menu in KDE should have a shortcut to ksensors once you've installed it with apt-get |
| 17:01.29 | qronik | does anyone know why i can not unset my setterm -powersave mode, it keeps putting my lcd into sleep mode while watching fullscreen dvds |
| 17:01.36 | displague | i know i can do the right ctrl+shift + numpad entry of the hex code, but that's too complicated.. not equal is a simple composition which should exist |
| 17:01.40 | resiak | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' |
| 17:01.41 | resiak | /bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
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| 17:01.44 | resiak | Argh! |
| 17:01.55 | abrotman | bad resiak! |
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| 17:02.10 | PerfDave | !spank resiak |
| 17:02.12 | resiak | displague: How do you know that the people who type != in here _don't_ use ≠] t U |
| 17:02.13 | displague | qronik : try xset s off |
| 17:02.24 | resiak | Oh DAMNIT. |
| 17:02.30 | abrotman | qronik: /msg dpkg dpms |
| 17:02.37 | albo | how can i set my eth0 wired to full duplex |
| 17:02.45 | displague | resiak: what method did you use? |
| 17:02.59 | displague | resiak: i can copy and paste and search the charmap with the best of them |
| 17:03.01 | AngelGabriel | albo, It should be automatic, are you using a hub, or a switch? |
| 17:03.08 | resiak | /alias uu /exec -out /home/will/bin/u8echo |
| 17:03.21 | albo | AngelGabriel: switch. but ifconfig says nothing about it |
| 17:03.37 | resiak | displague: Right. My dvorak keymap appears to be quite lame at dealing with composing and such. |
| 17:04.19 | displague | resiak : dvorak! what a loser! :-P |
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| 17:04.47 | albo | AngelGabriel: it looks like ethtool for me |
| 17:05.02 | emurz | PerfDave: Now when I get it run I notice that it doesn't display the temp in the tray area, but it displays the icon of the program. |
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| 17:06.20 | abrotman | lot of good that will do you |
| 17:06.24 | PerfDave | emurz: You will need to configure it. ksensors is a front-end to lm-sensors, which you should have installed along with ksensors. Run "sensors-detect" as root on the command line to set up lm-sensors |
| 17:06.46 | Virtual | from stable to unstable you can go with dist-upgrade right ? but back to stable can you go ? |
| 17:06.58 | PerfDave | Virtual: No, you have to reinstall |
| 17:06.59 | kamaraju | Virtual: No. |
| 17:07.00 | abrotman | you cannot downgrade |
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| 17:07.14 | displague | resiak : /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose !!! |
| 17:07.16 | Virtual | ok, thank you for the info |
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| 17:07.30 | qronik | thanks abrotman, this is exactly what i was searching for |
| 17:07.41 | displague | resiak: every locale has one of those files... I'm in composition heaven now |
| 17:07.51 | Anthro | Is there a way to retire a physical volume from an LVM volume group? |
| 17:08.07 | AngelGabriel | I have a network that runs DHCP, and has a DNS server, *as most of us do* when people plug thier laptops into our network, how can we get our DNS server, to automatically map thier laptops IP address, to the hostname that they already have on thier laptop? For example, my laptop is called iBookKilla, when i plug it in, i want it get a dynamic IP, but still be able to log into it from other machines on my network, instead o |
| 17:08.07 | AngelGabriel | f having to keep looking up it's IP address |
| 17:08.26 | Anthro | This assumes that there is room on the other PVs in the VG to store what is on the PV to be retired, of course.. |
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| 17:08.49 | abrotman | Eep .. Moog died |
| 17:08.57 | thingfish | yeah, sad. |
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| 17:09.20 | kamaraju | I am using thunderbird to 'pop' my gmail's emails. Sometimes in the Inbox folder it shows that there are unread emails. But actually there are no unread files. Is this a problem with gmail or mozilla-thunderbird? I am using Sid. |
| 17:09.20 | thingfish | I wish I still had my minimoog. |
| 17:09.23 | PerfDave | AngelGabriel: You want to assign constant IPs via DHCP based on hostname? |
| 17:09.40 | xoz | Anthro: dnsmasq? |
| 17:09.55 | abrotman | thingfish: you got castrated? |
| 17:09.59 | Anthro | xoz: Pardon? What does dnsmasq have to do with LVM? |
| 17:10.17 | thingfish | hehe abrotman, no sold it years ago when I was a dumb kid. |
| 17:10.19 | xoz | AngelGabriel: dnsmasq |
| 17:10.23 | abrotman | thingfish: bad thingfish! |
| 17:10.26 | thingfish | yes |
| 17:10.31 | xoz | Anthro: bad tab completion |
| 17:10.42 | Anthro | xoz: Ah, I see. |
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| 17:11.01 | timo | I have a file of e-mails, but they lack the Content-length -headers. how can I generate them in order to display the mails in mutt? |
| 17:13.15 | emurz | is swf-player the best package for mc flash support? |
| 17:13.34 | ke6isf | !polls |
| 17:13.34 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 17:13.46 | MrNaz | Mc Flash? is that like the Macdolalds version of flash player? |
| 17:13.54 | ke6isf | MrNaz: Yes, McFlash. |
| 17:13.56 | MrNaz | Macdonalds even |
| 17:13.59 | emurz | I like your humor, Macromedia |
| 17:14.09 | Anthro | emurz: There is also flashplugin-nonfree, which is from Macromedia. |
| 17:14.17 | scorphus | Hi! I'm designing a wallpaper to be used on Debian-powered desktops and would like you to help me switch among these: [1] http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotvegedebian9bu.jpg or [2] http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotjobdone8aq.jpg . Please tell me which you like most! |
| 17:14.36 | emurz | I see |
| 17:14.37 | AngelGabriel | PerfDave, No, i don't want to assign constant IP's, too many laptops to do that to |
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| 17:14.55 | PerfDave | AngelGabriel: Then what do you actually want to do? |
| 17:15.09 | PerfDave | AngelGabriel: I hear that 10.0.0.0/8 is a pretty big network, and there's always IPv6 ;) |
| 17:15.13 | cmatheson | hey guys, when i run apt or man (i think just anything w/ perl going on? i get this error: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct, perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
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| 17:15.23 | rob_lt | scorphus, I like 2 better, but I think I would prefer it without any catepillar at all |
| 17:15.23 | MrNaz | ke6isf asking for a recommendation is not really taking a poll.. its a reasonable technical question imho |
| 17:15.24 | PerfDave | cmatheson: /msg dpkg locales |
| 17:15.28 | emurz | I got my sound card driver installed correctly, and I have 5.1 stereo system here, is there any plugin for xmms to support 5.1 stereo system as there is a plugin for winamp? |
| 17:15.34 | ke6isf | MrNaz: Hmm.. |
| 17:15.49 | MrNaz | but thats my OPINION please dont yell at me |
| 17:15.52 | cooly | hi. if anyone used microsoft exchange before..i am migrating from it to linux. is it possible to migrate its address book (contacts) into linux too and that it would be accessible remote (like emails are via imap) |
| 17:15.56 | PerfDave | emurz: You can use alsamixer / kmixer to do this |
| 17:15.57 | AngelGabriel | PerfDave, I have about 10 seperate networks in this building |
| 17:16.05 | cmatheson | msg apt locales |
| 17:16.11 | cmatheson | oops sorry |
| 17:16.11 | PerfDave | AngelGabriel: Sounds like you need rsync ;) |
| 17:16.21 | xoz | !info dnsmasq |
| 17:16.24 | dpkg | dnsmasq: (A small caching DNS proxy and DHCP server.), section net, is optional. Version: 2.22-2 (sid), Packaged size: 109 kB, Installed size: 292 kB |
| 17:16.28 | cmatheson | PerfDave: thanks |
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| 17:16.43 | ke6isf | hmm... how do I run apt-watch? |
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| 17:16.52 | PerfDave | cooly: You could use an LDAP server to allow remote access to central address books. Not sure how you'd convert Exchange address books into a useful format though. |
| 17:17.06 | thingfish | scorphus: the leaf one is very nice. |
| 17:17.08 | AngelGabriel | PerfDave, And the laptop users, all us tech guys, drag our laptops all over the place - i don't really want to have to edit 10 config files, to make updates, *yes, we change our laptops more often that out underwear!* |
| 17:17.20 | PerfDave | AngelGabriel: That's why you need rsync! :) |
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| 17:17.24 | petemc | AngelGabriel: i have a script that does a lot fo what you need |
| 17:17.31 | petemc | AngelGabriel: http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/adddhcp.pl.txt |
| 17:17.32 | scorphus | rob_lt: thanks. Catepillar?? Do you mean the larvae? |
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| 17:17.51 | cooly | perfdave, and LDAP server can be used as private address book or only as shared? i need every user to have its own address book |
| 17:17.51 | mveers | hi |
| 17:18.05 | emurz | PerfDave: have you got realplayer installed there? |
| 17:18.16 | PerfDave | emurz: Nope |
| 17:18.24 | PerfDave | cooly: I believe that you can do both. |
| 17:18.30 | scorphus | thingfish: thanks! but, 'leaf'... both have a leaf, tell me [1] or [2] |
| 17:18.32 | cooly | perfdave, ok, thanx |
| 17:18.42 | DrDick | is proftpd's mod_tls broken? getting dir fails with tls error |
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| 17:18.55 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.56 | rob_lt | scorphus, whatever you want to call it, but yes, I don't think I like the bug |
| 17:19.07 | thingfish | scorphus: sorry, at first I could only get the second one. I'm looking at the first one now. |
| 17:19.29 | scorphus | rob_lt: got you |
| 17:19.37 | scorphus | green_earz: thanks |
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| 17:19.42 | scorphus | thingfish: nice |
| 17:19.44 | green_earz | np |
| 17:19.48 | thingfish | scorphus: I prefer the first one. |
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| 17:19.56 | scorphus | thingfish: thanks |
| 17:20.06 | thingfish | you're welcome. |
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| 17:20.38 | stew | DrDick: check the BTS |
| 17:21.08 | simmy | I'm running sarge. Booted my laptop with a battery in the optical bay. I removed the battery and plopped in a cd-rom. How can I get this thing to recognize the cd-rom without rebooting? |
| 17:21.14 | AngelGabriel | PerfDave, If i use rsync, that means, that the servers on each floor need to be identical, as in have the same flavour of linux running, right? |
| 17:21.45 | abrotman | simmy: hotplug might work |
| 17:21.58 | abrotman | simmy: also check linux-laptop.net for hints |
| 17:21.59 | PerfDave | AngelGabriel: Depends what you're rsyncing :) |
| 17:22.11 | simmy | I've got hotplug running. dmesg didn't show anything after I plopped the drive in. |
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| 17:22.30 | stew | simmy: do you ahve ide-cd loaded? |
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| 17:23.05 | simmy | stew : I do. |
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| 17:24.12 | AngTalunin | hey, is there an easy way to get cpu temparture etc? |
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| 17:24.49 | PerfDave | AngTalunin: There are several :) |
| 17:24.53 | mz_work | AngTalunin: mbmon? |
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| 17:25.02 | shingouz | AngTalunin: unless you have an IBM thinkpad 600, lmsensors should do the trick |
| 17:25.03 | cockroach | AngTalunin: apt-get install lm-sensors |
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| 17:26.15 | asd | hi ive just installed a new kernel to get my wlan working which causes my graphics card driver to need rebuilding with the kernel sources, i downloaded them however i cant find the equivilent to kernel.h would you know what debian would call this? |
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| 17:26.32 | scorphus | if you have any criticism or comment about those wallpapers it will be great to read it :) |
| 17:26.35 | AngTalunin | when running sensors i get the error: unable to find i2c-bus... ? |
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| 17:27.05 | mischko | PerfDave, did you get that script re-worked? |
| 17:27.08 | PerfDave | asd: You've installed a new kernel, or compiled a new kernel? What wlan and graphics card do you have? |
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| 17:27.18 | PerfDave | mischko: No, I've been busy. |
| 17:27.20 | valdyn_ | AngTalunin: that is not really an error i suppose. Do you use a custom kernel? |
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| 17:27.30 | cockroach | AngTalunin: do you have support for the i2c bus in your kernel? |
| 17:27.31 | asd | PerfDave it was an apt-get install kernel |
| 17:27.36 | asd | its an nvidia card |
| 17:27.42 | asd | im using the nvidia installer |
| 17:27.51 | PerfDave | asd: Don't use the nvidia installer. It will break your system. |
| 17:27.53 | PerfDave | asd: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 17:28.01 | AngTalunin | cockroach: don't know...how to find out? |
| 17:28.24 | PerfDave | AngTalunin: Are you using a Debian-provided kernel? |
| 17:28.45 | cockroach | AngTalunin: ls /sys/bus/i2c/ (on 2.6) |
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| 17:29.00 | anacaona | hello, i need help with networking and dialup. |
| 17:29.00 | asd | thx |
| 17:29.14 | SerajewelKS | anacaona, wvdial |
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| 17:29.18 | AngTalunin | perfDave: just did a netinstall |
| 17:29.28 | valdyn_ | !info wvdial sarge |
| 17:29.34 | dpkg | wvdial: (PPP dialer with built-in intelligence), section comm, is optional. Version: 1.54.0-1.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 284 kB |
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| 17:29.36 | PerfDave | AngTalunin: Just follow the defaults that sensors-detect suggests. |
| 17:30.09 | r3v | anacaona: Stupid Mode = 1 (might need that in wvdial config. I always have. |
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| 17:31.10 | geniux | _serhat_ selam a. |
| 17:31.12 | geniux | nasýlsýn |
| 17:31.14 | AngTalunin | PerfDave: sensors gives: no sensors found...could that be right? |
| 17:31.20 | anacaona | r3v: my issue is that the computer is networked but when I dial up refuses to use the ppp connection as gateway. |
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| 17:31.38 | valdyn_ | i havent tried lm-sensors with 2.4.x however i assume that you need to compile lm-sensors-source to use it then |
| 17:32.04 | r3v | anacaona: set the gateway with 'route'. remove the other first if necessary |
| 17:32.12 | technos | anacaona: Sounds like you need a "route default ppp0" |
| 17:32.23 | PerfDave | AngTalunin: It could be, if the sensors you have on your motherboard aren't supported by lm-sensors. What's the output of "uname -r" on your system? |
| 17:32.34 | anacaona | route default ppp0 |
| 17:32.42 | anacaona | i knew it was probably something that simple. |
| 17:32.47 | sombra | Is there anyone who use shorewall and prevent bogons with bogons-cidr-all.txt? |
| 17:32.49 | cahoot | AngTalunin: laptop or desktop? |
| 17:32.56 | anacaona | i'll try that and let you know what happens. you on here on the regular? |
| 17:33.05 | AngTalunin | perfdave: 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 17:33.25 | AngTalunin | cahoot: server, commandline only |
| 17:33.33 | PerfDave | AngTalunin: Ah, in that case you're probably just SOL - ask your laptop manufacturer to contribute support for their sensors to the lm-sensors project. |
| 17:34.05 | technos | anacaona: There's typically thirty awake peope that can answer any further questions about networking in here. :) |
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| 17:34.18 | AngTalunin | perfdave: i don't have a laptop.....just an old dell desktop pc |
| 17:34.37 | PerfDave | AngTalunin: Then ask Dell to contribute support for the sensors in your PC to the lm-sensors project ;) |
| 17:34.59 | AngTalunin | i'll mail them right away :-D |
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| 17:35.19 | black13 | is there a guide to building a 2.6 kernel for debian |
| 17:35.37 | Dewi | is there a guide to upgrading stable to testing somewhere? |
| 17:35.40 | Anthro | black13: apt-get install kernel-image-<whatever> |
| 17:35.47 | greycat | Dewi: man sources.list |
| 17:35.49 | emurz | PerfDave: I got lm-sensors and ksensors installed here, how can I let the temp of my cpu appear directly in the tray area |
| 17:35.56 | valdyn_ | AngTalunin: try 'modprobe acpi; modprobe thermal;', iirc that might give info too. |
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| 17:36.10 | AngTalunin | I was asking about the sensors because i want to have this old dell run as server 24/7, but it's standing in my (bed)room and i don't want it to crash into fire |
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| 17:36.45 | PerfDave | emurz: Did you configure lm-sensors? You should just need to configure ksensors by right-clicking it, find the sensor that reports your CPU temperature, click the "Dock" tab and select "visible" |
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| 17:36.53 | MontaHack | hello |
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| 17:37.38 | kayo | anyone know where I can get charts that show market share of Linux UNIX Netware and Windows on servers and clients (two different charts) |
| 17:38.00 | valdyn_ | kayo: on google |
| 17:38.26 | MontaHack | charts |
| 17:38.27 | emurz | PerfDave: didn't configure lm-sensors =/ |
| 17:38.33 | kayo | I tried, was wondering if one knew of a reliable statistics site with that data |
| 17:38.49 | Om3n | does anybody know what kinda chipset the 845g for the newer inter\l boards reconizes as for X? |
| 17:38.55 | abrotman | google might |
| 17:38.56 | valdyn_ | kayo: it cannot be done reliably, given the nature of linux |
| 17:38.57 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.21 | PerfDave | emurz: Run sensors-detect as root |
| 17:39.36 | emurz | PerfDave: But even when I configure it, I cannot get the numbers to appear directly in the tray area, but only the icon of ksensors appears. |
| 17:39.37 | kayo | I dont expect complete accuracy but need a reference for a paper I want to write |
| 17:40.11 | PerfDave | emurz: First, configure lm-sensors. Then restart ksensors. Then tell ksensors which sensor readings you wish to appear in the dock. |
| 17:40.17 | abrotman | kayo: ask google .. ask cnet? .. ask slashdot? |
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| 17:40.35 | kayo | Im searching, thanks |
| 17:40.49 | Om3n | Is anybody familiar with intel chipsets? |
| 17:41.04 | valdyn_ | !anyone |
| 17:41.05 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 17:41.13 | emurz | PerfDave: if I click visible it's supposed to put it in the tray? |
| 17:41.16 | abrotman | Om3n: i810 or i830 .. if neither of those work .. might need more research |
| 17:41.16 | black13 | Anthro does this install an image or the sources that i can then build? |
| 17:41.50 | Om3n | abrotman what might i choose in the X config for chipset? |
| 17:41.57 | MontaHack | i have a problem with samba : when i switch on my machine samba service don't start ... (script in runlevel is ok !) i musta to restart at hand |
| 17:42.10 | PerfDave | emurz: If you click the "Visible" checkbox in the "Dock" tab, and then hit "Apply", it should appear in the tray instead of the ksensors icon. |
| 17:42.11 | asd | im having problems with the apt nvidia installer its saying mabey you need to add contrib and non-free archives to /etc/apt/sources.list but i did that :/ |
| 17:42.21 | falco_toadfoot | how can I define which users are allowed to send mail to the internet? |
| 17:42.31 | PerfDave | asd: Did you run "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list? |
| 17:42.37 | asd | no thx |
| 17:42.41 | petemc | falco_toadfoot: you can use exim4s acls |
| 17:42.48 | emurz | PerfDave: and where is that Dock tab? |
| 17:43.18 | falco_toadfoot | petemc: thank you, but what use do the debian-exim and mail groups have? |
| 17:43.20 | PerfDave | emurz: In the Configure dialogue box. |
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| 17:43.57 | PerfDave | emurz: Find the sensor which reports your CPU temperature, click on it and you will have four tabs - "General", "Panel", "Dock", "Alarms" that refer to it. |
| 17:44.01 | ice_1963 | jest add contrib non-free |
| 17:44.03 | abrotman | Om3n: i810 maybe .. but i doubt it will work |
| 17:44.09 | Anthro | black13: It installs an image. And it was mostly tongue-in-cheek. On the other hand, one rarely has a need to compile a kernel. The stock Debian kernels are almost always sufficient. |
| 17:44.13 | petemc | falco_toadfoot: none, you can specify a list of allowed usrenames in a file and tell exim to look at that |
| 17:44.23 | PerfDave | black13: Why do you think you need to compile a kernel from source? |
| 17:44.34 | asd | in debian it the general picture doesnt look the same as distros such as suse fedora, is there different kind of fonts or method of putting the picture on the screen? |
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| 17:44.42 | asd | or some sort of rendering |
| 17:44.42 | Om3n | abrotman : What can i do to get X running properly then? is there anything you can suggest? |
| 17:45.05 | abrotman | Om3n: i have an i830 .. and i810 works for me ... |
| 17:45.08 | valdyn_ | asd: its the same only if you install the same fonts |
| 17:45.10 | PerfDave | asd: What do you mean, "the general picture doesn't look the same"? |
| 17:45.11 | abrotman | Om3n: it's a laptop ? |
| 17:45.22 | valdyn_ | !ttf |
| 17:45.23 | dpkg | i heard ttf is the extension of a True Type Font, checkout freetype or ask me about truetype for location of debian howto. for truetype font support with XF4 ask me about ttf xf4, or see <msttcorefonts>, or see <bobfont> |
| 17:45.27 | asd | it doesnt look as clear im not quite sure |
| 17:45.40 | falco_toadfoot | petemc: ah.. ok. thanks. you wouldn't know how to direct different From:-addresses to different smarthosts too, would you? |
| 17:45.44 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 17:45.44 | PerfDave | asd: For starters, are you running at the same resolution? |
| 17:45.51 | emurz | PerfDave: I fear I got some old version, because I can not see these. I got 0.7.3. |
| 17:45.54 | asd | no not atm |
| 17:46.00 | asd | that could be it i guess |
| 17:46.05 | PerfDave | emurz: That's the same as I have. |
| 17:46.06 | qronik | guiness isn't beer, it's decaffinated coffee |
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| 17:46.09 | qronik | =x |
| 17:46.18 | asd | any idea on setting up monitor |
| 17:46.24 | Virtual | which one is better ? mozilla browser or mozilla firefox? |
| 17:46.28 | petemc | falco_toadfoot: you could use something similar, in a manualroute router |
| 17:46.30 | asd | personally firefox |
| 17:46.36 | r3v | Virtual: i say firefox |
| 17:46.38 | valdyn_ | Virtual: your choice |
| 17:46.39 | jaker | as user in KDE i can't write on hda1, how do change that? |
| 17:46.48 | Om3n | abrotman : no it's a desktop the model num is d845ep and it said the chipset is a 845g |
| 17:46.48 | asd | your opinion at the end of the day |
| 17:46.52 | jaker | hda1 is mounted |
| 17:47.00 | asd | jaker r/w in fstab? |
| 17:47.01 | PerfDave | jaker: What are you actually trying to do? Which bit of hda1? What application are you trying to write with? |
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| 17:47.25 | jaker | i just want to save a file on hda1 |
| 17:47.35 | Virtual | jaker is it fat32 ? |
| 17:47.40 | jaker | `yep |
| 17:47.52 | valdyn_ | !vfatrw |
| 17:47.52 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 17:48.01 | PerfDave | emurz: http://technomancer.homelinux.org/~grimoire/temp/2005-08-22-ksensorsconfigure.png |
| 17:48.04 | Virtual | heh, you beat me to it valdyn_ :) |
| 17:48.07 | yang | I applied to LPI training center. But they said to me, that they dont provide literature for the exams, and I found none on LPI website. So where could I get some information on exams? |
| 17:48.21 | abrotman | Om3n: all i can say is that the i810 works for my 830 chipset |
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| 17:48.33 | rbd | hey guys, I have two debian/testing systems. I have an multithreaded app that runs on one, and the ps command shows a single PID for that entire app (i.e. not showing any of its children). If I copy that binary to the other box, a seperate PID is shown for each thread in the app. Now I'm aware these are both acceptable POSIX behaviors, but why is it doing this... I'm linking against pthread (which migth be different versions, it's in |
| 17:48.33 | rbd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:48.36 | PerfDave | yang: The LPI website has a list of places which run LPI training courses. |
| 17:48.38 | asd | the nvidia one liner failed to install :/ |
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| 17:49.06 | PerfDave | asd: In what way "fail"? Please provide specifics. |
| 17:49.09 | valdyn_ | rbd: do a uname -r on each |
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| 17:49.48 | asd | build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed how do you wish to proceed |
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| 17:49.55 | MrBallZ | hiya |
| 17:49.57 | asd | view continue stop |
| 17:50.00 | emurz | PerfDave: oh, I guess ksensors didn't recognize my board |
| 17:50.16 | emurz | or rather lm-sensors |
| 17:50.18 | asd | im using 2.6.8-2-686 if that makes any difference |
| 17:50.24 | rbd | valdyn_, woo I thought I was running 2.6.x on both machines...it's 2.4.x on this one box |
| 17:50.37 | rbd | that would explain it :)....doh |
| 17:50.44 | MrBallZ | question: I pluged a external usb hard drive wich is formated as NTFS, I can read it, but the thing is only root can mount it , and normal user cant access it, and i need to burn some stuff from the disk, what can i do ???? |
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| 17:51.07 | asd | add it to /etc/fstab |
| 17:51.08 | asd | ? |
| 17:51.12 | PerfDave | MrBallZ: Mount it with relevant options for a normal user to read from it? :) |
| 17:51.26 | MrBallZ | PerfDave: and those would be ? |
| 17:51.34 | EdibleText | MrBallZ, man mount |
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| 17:51.54 | stew | MrBallZ: /msg dpkg nftsrw |
| 17:51.54 | Om3n | what is the dpkg cmd to reconfigure Xfree to be able to change the video chipset |
| 17:52.07 | greycat | !drexx |
| 17:52.08 | greycat | !drxx |
| 17:52.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:52.13 | Gnea | Om3n: dkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:52.15 | valdyn_ | MrBallZ: to permit a user to mount something you need a 'user' entry in /etc/fstab in the appropriate line |
| 17:52.19 | Om3n | thanks |
| 17:52.24 | Gnea | Om3n: er, dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 17:53.35 | PerfDave | emurz: Did you follow any instructions given by sensors-detect? |
| 17:53.43 | emurz | not really :'P |
| 17:53.44 | PerfDave | emurz: You may have needed to load some modules etc. |
| 17:53.47 | emurz | yeah |
| 17:53.48 | MrBallZ | valdyn: this is my fstab line for usb: /dev/sda1 /media/usb auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:53.53 | emurz | it needs lots of efforts |
| 17:53.59 | emurz | there are things which I didn't understand |
| 17:54.13 | yang | PerfDave: on lpi there is just a sample list of commands, but no information on where to learn that... |
| 17:54.13 | PerfDave | emurz: Just take it slowly, read it. It's pretty simple. |
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| 17:54.17 | asd | anyone have any ideas why nvidia-kernel source build fails with the one liner, you think its because im using the 2.6.8-2-686 kernel if so , anything i can do? |
| 17:54.33 | PerfDave | asd: Why don't you tell us how it failed? |
| 17:54.37 | PerfDave | asd: And tell us what you did? |
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| 17:54.55 | asd | i used the one liner |
| 17:55.01 | emurz | PerfDave: I'm trying to let mplayer activate 5 channels but to no avail till this moment. |
| 17:55.10 | qronik | MrBallZ. why are you using "auto" for filesystem type when you know it is ntfs? |
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| 17:55.12 | asd | and module assistant said build failed |
| 17:55.12 | MrBallZ | valdyn_: that has always permited me to use a usb drive , even when im a user, or am i wrong in some part of the ine ? |
| 17:55.17 | asd | if i view the log |
| 17:55.20 | PerfDave | emurz: What has that got to do with your sensors? |
| 17:55.23 | asd | its complicated |
| 17:55.33 | valdyn_ | MrBallZ: nope |
| 17:55.35 | emurz | nothing :-) |
| 17:55.38 | MrBallZ | qronik: because usb enclosure can change types of drive, normal drive is fat32 , now its ntfs ... |
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| 17:55.46 | qronik | ah ok |
| 17:55.49 | qronik | just curious |
| 17:55.51 | MrBallZ | valdyn_: =( ^. |
| 17:55.55 | MrBallZ | valdyn_: =( ^.^ |
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| 17:55.59 | valdyn_ | MrBallZ: this line permits you to mount it, it says nothing about your being able to read or write to it |
| 17:55.59 | asd | warning:file debian.rules has modification ? |
| 17:56.08 | MrBallZ | ohhhh |
| 17:56.09 | PerfDave | asd: What command did you type that produced the error, and what error did it produce? |
| 17:56.15 | MrBallZ | valdyn_: how should i chang it ? |
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| 17:56.29 | asd | failed to determine patchlevel |
| 17:56.29 | xian | hi all |
| 17:56.39 | valdyn_ | !ntfsrw |
| 17:56.39 | dpkg | Write support for ntfs is not really available. Ask me about read-ntfs so you can read data on ntfs partitions. see <ro-ntfs> |
| 17:56.49 | TwistedEmotions | How do I contact memo mamo again? |
| 17:56.49 | faked | asd: you have the wrong kernel-headers installed |
| 17:56.58 | Yabden | you can try captive ntfs, it works pretty decently |
| 17:56.59 | valdyn_ | MrBallZ: chmod should work i guess |
| 17:56.59 | rbd | was 2.6.11 considered a pretty stable version (compared to something like 2.6.8?) |
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| 17:57.36 | black13 | Anthro unfortunaely i need squashfs |
| 17:57.43 | asd | faked thats the problem |
| 17:57.50 | asd | i downloaded the kernel headers |
| 17:57.55 | TwistedEmotions | Err... I mean memo server... How do I contact memo bot ;P? |
| 17:58.01 | asd | as i was trying to use the nvidia installer |
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| 17:58.12 | faked | asd: your kernel-headers should match to the kernel |
| 17:58.14 | asd | however it couldnt find kernel.h |
| 17:58.15 | MrBallZ | valdyn_: chmod what ? the mountpoint ? |
| 17:58.30 | asd | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686&version=testing&arch=i386&page=3&number=50 |
| 17:58.34 | qronik | MrBallZ. chmod the entire directory |
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| 17:58.46 | PerfDave | asd: module-assistant should install the headers it needs. |
| 17:58.58 | asd | apt-get install kernel-headers$(uname -r) returned that they had none |
| 17:59.00 | asd | in this case |
| 17:59.10 | asd | is it possible to revert to my old kernel |
| 17:59.17 | faked | asd: if your kernel-version 2.6.8-2-686, then you have to install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 17:59.21 | asd | as all i want to do is have a 16k stack size |
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| 17:59.38 | xian | i have a laptop with ati mob. radeon 9600. i installed fglrx driver for XFree 4.3. Dual-head works fine, but if i don't plug my external monitor X fails to start. is there any solution to autodetect if the second monitor is connected? |
| 17:59.44 | asd | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686&version=testing&arch=i386&page=3&number=50 |
| 18:00.00 | MrBallZ | qronik: chmod or chown ???? if chmod, to what ?? remember its NTFS ... |
| 18:00.01 | asd | those are the kernel headers i unpacked into /usr/src |
| 18:00.07 | asd | is that the correct thing to do? |
| 18:00.11 | black13 | fake what about buidling a new kernel sorry to keep asking but i haven found anything via googleing |
| 18:00.18 | qronik | MrBallZ. i would try chmod -R 775 /directory |
| 18:00.19 | faked | asd: you can install the headers with apt-get |
| 18:00.30 | black13 | asd about buidling a new kernel sorry to keep asking but i haven found anything via googleing |
| 18:00.35 | MrBallZ | qronik: ok, let me try :D |
| 18:00.45 | qronik | and chown -R username:users /directory |
| 18:00.56 | asd | black13 what u want a new kernel for? |
| 18:01.09 | faked | asd: you don't have to unpack anything |
| 18:01.13 | black13 | asd i need squashfs |
| 18:01.27 | asd | what the 2.6.8-2-686 headers? |
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| 18:01.56 | asd | the headers came in a .deb file |
| 18:01.59 | faked | asd: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 18:02.27 | faked | asd: that's it, then "module-assistant ai nvidia" |
| 18:02.31 | asd | it cant dinf them |
| 18:02.35 | asd | find * |
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| 18:03.00 | PerfDave | black13: apt-get install a kernel-source package, apply your patches, build it with make-kpkg |
| 18:03.07 | J_P | read_l10n_templates('pt_BR', '/etc/amavis'); |
| 18:03.07 | lilliput | hello all ;) |
| 18:03.20 | MrBallZ | qronik: im getting an error: Read only file system |
| 18:03.58 | Angel-SL | damn |
| 18:04.00 | qronik | MrBallZ. what exactly are you trying to do |
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| 18:04.09 | Angel-SL | the terminal wont start |
| 18:04.12 | Om3n | abrotman : Thank you i tried the i810 and i now have full function of the chipset ^^ |
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| 18:04.29 | Angel-SL | HELP |
| 18:04.35 | MrBallZ | qronik: as root I can mount and read the drive, but i want to be able to mount and read as my normal user ... |
| 18:04.36 | stew | qronik: he's trying to mount a ntfs filesystem rw with a driver that only supports ro |
| 18:04.39 | MrBallZ | that's it ... |
| 18:04.40 | lilliput | I'm searching a quick way through a shell command to do >> id: \n toto\n nick:\n totonick\n .. : \n ..\n -> id: toto \n nick: totonick\n .. : .. \n |
| 18:04.41 | asd | i dont think apt has those kernel headers, so i downloaded the kernel headers in a .deb file, i did dpkg-deb -x / which extracted them to /usr/src, is that correct |
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| 18:04.49 | asd | or do i need to do something else to the headers? |
| 18:05.01 | MrBallZ | stew: you are a little bit wrong with the " w " |
| 18:05.04 | MrBallZ | =P |
| 18:05.05 | qronik | MrBallZ. chown -R username:users /directory (replace "username" with your login) |
| 18:05.08 | madclicker | is there a webbased vacation interface for sarge that users could use? |
| 18:05.14 | qronik | ahh ok |
| 18:05.22 | greycat | asd: WHY did you not use apt-get to retrieve them? |
| 18:05.24 | qronik | sorry i have way too many windows open |
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| 18:05.38 | asd | greycat it doesnt have them |
| 18:05.39 | greycat | asd: having retrieved the .deb, WHY did you not simply install it with dpkg -i? |
| 18:05.42 | stew | MrBallZ: are you using captive? or did you enable the rw support in the kernel? |
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| 18:05.57 | asd | ill try that then |
| 18:05.58 | greycat | asd: WHY are you not tracking stable if you're clueless? |
| 18:06.03 | Angel-SL | BASH WONT START |
| 18:06.06 | asd | ??? |
| 18:06.08 | qronik | what kernel has ntfs write support? |
| 18:06.09 | Angel-SL | !!! |
| 18:06.09 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 18:06.10 | greycat | Angel-SL: TURN THE CRANK! |
| 18:06.18 | Angel-SL | crank? |
| 18:06.20 | asd | because it came in a tutorial |
| 18:06.25 | pucko | bash it |
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| 18:06.30 | PerfDave | qronik: Native Linux NTFS write support is pretty useless. |
| 18:06.31 | Gnea | rofl |
| 18:06.32 | Angel-SL | bah |
| 18:06.32 | stew | Angel-SL: you probably hosed one of yoru dot files |
| 18:06.36 | levander | There is a single command to umount all samba shares? |
| 18:06.36 | faked | asd: do you know how to use apt-get? |
| 18:06.38 | asd | http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/DebianNoCompiles |
| 18:06.39 | PerfDave | asd: Which version of Debian are you running, exactly? |
| 18:06.40 | qronik | that's what i heard |
| 18:06.50 | Gnea | Angel-SL: does the computer turn on? |
| 18:06.57 | MrBallZ | qronik: it still gives me the Read only file system error ... |
| 18:06.57 | Yabden | look up captive ntfs, it allows you to write to ntfs partitions |
| 18:07.01 | asd | apt-get install kernel-headers$(uname-r) |
| 18:07.03 | asd | ????? |
| 18:07.07 | Angel-SL | if it doesnt i'm ion trouble. |
| 18:07.12 | MrBallZ | stew: that " captive " I don't know ... |
| 18:07.18 | Angel-SL | i'm going to logout and in |
| 18:07.31 | Gnea | i would login on another tty |
| 18:07.36 | Gnea | oh well |
| 18:07.43 | greycat | !flw |
| 18:07.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, flw7 is <nickv111> I use unstable and have never run into problems |
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| 18:08.02 | stew | MrBallZ: there is currently no good solution for writing to NTFS from linux, the closesest is captiventfs which should be considered experimental and could likely cause data loss, /msg dpkg captiventfs |
| 18:08.09 | qronik | no idea then, i have no problems reading my ntfs partition as a normal user |
| 18:08.09 | Gnea | flw... heh |
| 18:08.11 | Gnea | good one |
| 18:08.15 | PerfDave | The best option for writing to NTFS is to not use NTFS ;) |
| 18:08.27 | stew | MrBallZ: what PerfDave said |
| 18:08.34 | greycat | dpkg, flw38 is <Angel-SL> BASH WONT START <stew> Angel-SL: you probably hosed one of yoru dot files <Angel-SL> i'm going to logout and in = Angel-SL [n=angelsl@cm162.sigma49.maxonline.com.sg] quit |
| 18:08.34 | dpkg | ...but flw38 is already something else... |
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| 18:08.46 | greycat | dpkg, flw39 is <Angel-SL> BASH WONT START <stew> Angel-SL: you probably hosed one of yoru dot files <Angel-SL> i'm going to logout and in = Angel-SL [n=angelsl@cm162.sigma49.maxonline.com.sg] quit |
| 18:08.47 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 18:08.47 | MrBallZ | mmm, ok , so then how i would make usb-storage to not claim the usb enclosure, so i can mount it inside vmware win xp .... |
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| 18:08.54 | greycat | dpkg, famous last words =~ s/37/37|38|39/ |
| 18:08.54 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 18:09.01 | Angel-SL | ohhh |
| 18:09.06 | Angel-SL | now i know |
| 18:09.10 | Angel-SL | i did hostname - |
| 18:09.16 | Gnea | lol |
| 18:09.16 | Angel-SL | time to remove THAT |
| 18:09.26 | MrBallZ | guys, im NOT trying to write to NTFS or use it, the only thing i want is to be able to mount it as a normal user, so i can copy files not write or use the drive ... |
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| 18:09.33 | greycat | changing your hostname tends to fuck up X. |
| 18:09.34 | Angel-SL | angelsl@-:~$ |
| 18:09.40 | Angel-SL | heh heh heh |
| 18:09.44 | greycat | bash doesn't care. |
| 18:09.46 | qronik | MrBallZ. what mount options are you using again? |
| 18:09.57 | MrBallZ | .. /media/usb |
| 18:10.07 | qronik | no. mount options. |
| 18:10.07 | MrBallZ | ahh, it seems dpkg game the the solution: |
| 18:10.08 | Gnea | MrBallZ: that's easy enough, just edit /etc/fstab to include user support in the options |
| 18:10.21 | MrBallZ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:10.28 | qronik | yeah that |
| 18:10.32 | qronik | (mount options) |
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| 18:10.40 | MrBallZ | qronik: mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/usb |
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| 18:10.55 | qronik | MrBallZ. you aren't even using a mount option |
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| 18:10.59 | Gnea | MrBallZ: actually all you need is user |
| 18:11.01 | eeyore- | MrBallZ: with proper mount options, you can mount the partition as any uid/gid you want |
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| 18:11.06 | qronik | you are only specifying filesystem type |
| 18:11.11 | MrBallZ | how would i use the options dpgk said ? |
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| 18:11.19 | Gnea | like ro,user,noauto |
| 18:11.20 | petemc | MrBallZ: all you need is -o umask=022 , nothing else |
| 18:11.22 | Angel-SL | bang fixed. |
| 18:11.22 | sombra | how can I make an alias "radio" to execute /radio.m3u |
| 18:11.23 | qronik | open /etc/fstab and add the options |
| 18:11.26 | MrBallZ | qronik: so , how would the complete mount command should be ? |
| 18:11.28 | eeyore- | MrBallZ: mount -o gid=.... /dev/sda1 /media/usb |
| 18:11.30 | greycat | sombra: help alias |
| 18:11.32 | qronik | then run mount -a |
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| 18:11.33 | MrBallZ | petemc , let me try |
| 18:11.35 | greycat | !wikifaq sombra DotFiles |
| 18:11.35 | dpkg | sombra: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:12.05 | asd | greycat i installed the kernel sources the way you said and still got the same error |
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| 18:12.11 | qronik | you don't even need a umask, i mounted my ntfs partition with just "users" |
| 18:12.13 | Angel-SL | 127.0.0.1localhost.localdomainlocalhostk9-net |
| 18:12.17 | qronik | err, "user" |
| 18:12.22 | Angel-SL | whats does that mean in /etc/hosts |
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| 18:12.35 | J_P | have meuch diference between gcc 3.3 and gcc 3.4 in debian sarge ? |
| 18:12.43 | J_P | what is recommended ? |
| 18:12.50 | Angel-SL | gcc 3 |
| 18:12.53 | stew | Angel-SL: it means that localhost.localdomain, localhost, and k9-net are all names for 127.0.0.1 |
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| 18:13.12 | greycat | Angel-SL: man hosts |
| 18:13.19 | J_P | Angel-SL: what ? 3.3 or 3.4 ? |
| 18:13.36 | stew | J_P: the difference is that gcc 3.3 is in sarge and 3.4 is not |
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| 18:14.13 | MrBallZ | wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 18:14.18 | Angel-SL | oops |
| 18:14.19 | Angel-SL | logged out for nothing |
| 18:14.20 | MrBallZ | I did it , thanks guys |
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| 18:14.29 | J_P | stew: yes, 3.4 are in sarge!! |
| 18:14.31 | jelly | Hi, is there some friendly documentation for the BTS? I want to know about the "found" stuff, since it seems there are some closed security bugs but there's still no package in stable. |
| 18:14.33 | emilioooo | hola |
| 18:14.47 | J_P | stew: see ? |
| 18:14.49 | eeyore- | MrBallZ: not sure where the discussion about writing to NTFS came in ... you dont need to write, do you? |
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| 18:15.19 | qronik | he's not writing anything to ntfs |
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| 18:15.35 | Gnea | eeyore-: he already stated that he just needs to reaed from it |
| 18:15.38 | Gnea | er, read |
| 18:15.45 | jelly | Re: BTS, for example, #316447 is closed by an upload to unstable, but the stable php4-pear package is still vulnerable. |
| 18:15.51 | PerfDave | jelly: Do these security bugs actually affect the versions of the package in stable? |
| 18:15.57 | jelly | PerfDave: yes |
| 18:15.59 | stew | !info gcc sarge |
| 18:16.02 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.5-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 18:16.04 | PerfDave | jelly: Check on http://security.debian.org/ |
| 18:16.09 | stew | J_P: ^^^ see? |
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| 18:17.02 | stew | !info gcc-3.4 sarge |
| 18:17.04 | dpkg | gcc-3.4: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 1457 kB, Installed size: 4188 kB |
| 18:17.06 | stew | ooops nm |
| 18:17.11 | jelly | PerfDave: no mention of CAN-2005-1921 in nonvulns-sarge |
| 18:17.49 | Yooo | Hola,soy nuevo aqui,¿Se habla español? |
| 18:17.53 | stew | !es |
| 18:17.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:18.01 | J_P | stew: daniela:/usr/src/linux# apt-cache search gcc-3.4 |
| 18:18.01 | J_P | g++-3.4 - The GNU C++ compiler |
| 18:18.01 | J_P | gcc-3.4 - The GNU C compiler |
| 18:18.02 | sombra | How can I do: alias radio=/radio.m3u (I want to open the file with XMMS) |
| 18:18.15 | PerfDave | jelly: Try contacting the DST, see what they say? |
| 18:18.17 | sombra | didn't find anything on the url you gave me |
| 18:18.17 | Yooo | Ok,Thanks |
| 18:18.18 | MrBallZ | eeyore-: no, i don't need to write |
| 18:18.34 | jelly | PerfDave: is that team -at- security.d.o? |
| 18:18.34 | greycat | sombra: alias radio='xmms $HOME/radio.m3u' |
| 18:18.38 | greycat | and MOVE THE GOD DAMNED FILE TO $HOME! |
| 18:18.46 | greycat | why the fuck would you have an .m3u file in the root directory? |
| 18:19.10 | eeyore- | greycat: l33tness |
| 18:19.24 | eeyore- | what, you don't have files in / like on solaris? :-) |
| 18:19.31 | PerfDave | jelly: It's the contact information given in the Debian Security FAQ linked to from http://security.debian.org/ :) |
| 18:20.09 | J_P | stew: see ? have 3.3 and 3.4! |
| 18:20.13 | stew | J_P: yes |
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| 18:20.30 | abrotman | gcc .. g++ |
| 18:20.36 | J_P | what you think is better use ? |
| 18:20.38 | J_P | 3.3 or 3.4 ? |
| 18:21.06 | greycat | who CARES? |
| 18:21.21 | greycat | if you're in sarge, you have 3.3 and it's the default, and you use that. if you're in sid, you have 4.0 and 3.3 and you get a REAL choice. |
| 18:21.39 | greycat | when would you EVER choose between 3.3 and 3.4 in a Debian system? |
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| 18:21.43 | stew | J_P: are you on hppa, m68k, mips, mipsel, or sparc? |
| 18:21.53 | stew | J_P: read /usr/share/doc/gcc-3.4/README.Debian |
| 18:22.06 | J_P | stew: not, i am in 686 only |
| 18:22.11 | J_P | ok |
| 18:23.10 | eeyore- | J_P: 3.4 is better for optimizations than 3.3, but it's minor |
| 18:23.39 | jelly | PerfDave: thanks, I never actually clicked on that FAQ link before. Contact information could perhaps be more exposed... |
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| 18:24.02 | PerfDave | jelly: I think they work pretty hard, it's to stop them getting hassled unnecessarily ;) |
| 18:24.06 | J_P | eeyore-: thanks! |
| 18:24.09 | emurz | PerfDave: it seems that sensors-detect couldn't detect my mobo =/ |
| 18:24.22 | emurz | oh, it did :) |
| 18:24.32 | greycat | and watchmen and soldiers |
| 18:24.35 | rm-r | is there a script that allow me to modify HTML links in several files? |
| 18:24.39 | emurz | PerfDave: when I restarted my box it worked |
| 18:25.02 | MrBallZ | l8terzzz |
| 18:25.05 | PerfDave | emurz: Probably you added the extra modules to the end of /etc/modules and didn't modprobe them. There wasn't any need to restart, but since it's sorted now who cares? ;) |
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| 18:25.14 | PerfDave | rm-r: sed? perl? |
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| 18:25.21 | jelly | PerfDave: I know they do, I just don't know if most of the job is still done by one man, or they have arranged some sort of parallelization. |
| 18:25.30 | rm-r | PerfDave, an automaitc, and XML aware one |
| 18:25.36 | PerfDave | rm-r: Perl |
| 18:25.37 | emurz | exactly :-) |
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| 18:25.53 | sombra | How can I add own shortcuts when I run Alt+F2 in GNOME, so that "radio" would go to /radio.m3u for example |
| 18:26.02 | jelly | PerfDave: For example, this buggy in php4 was fixed almost two months ago by Ubuntu. |
| 18:26.10 | rm-r | PerfDave, i would like a ready own... i would spend more time writing the script than doing it by hand |
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| 18:26.28 | PerfDave | rm-r: Pay someone to write it then. |
| 18:26.34 | nkuttler | rm-r: no, you would need more time writing it for the _first_ time |
| 18:26.34 | emurz | PerfDave: now I got to fix simply my surround system stuff :-) |
| 18:26.37 | PerfDave | jelly: I belive that the DST is now organised in a more parallel form, but I'm not entirely familiar with its workings. |
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| 18:27.05 | d7rt | can anyone point me to a resource that will tell me whether the sarge install supports a ServeRaid 6i + (scsi controller) |
| 18:27.20 | Lee__ | CIDR notation xx.xx.xx.41/29 would translate to "eight IPs starting at xx.xx.xx.41", right? |
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| 18:27.40 | greycat | d7rt: if you already have the card, you could just *try* it. |
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| 18:28.52 | AngTalunin | i've got problems starting mysql: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 18:28.54 | d7rt | haven't bought it yet greycat |
| 18:29.08 | AngTalunin | anybody knows how to restart mysq;? |
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| 18:29.32 | greycat | AngTalunin: /etc/init.d/whatever restart |
| 18:29.38 | Mage_ | anyone has an idea why my soundcard is always muted when I boot ? |
| 18:29.38 | emurz | PerfDave: how does hde differ from sda |
| 18:29.51 | Lee__ | Mage_: alsactl store as root |
| 18:30.21 | Mage_ | thanks |
| 18:30.41 | PerfDave | emurz: hdX devices are IDE, sdX devices are SCSI (or at least using IDE and SCSI drivers, respectively) |
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| 18:31.37 | AngTalunin | greycat: got errors saying that i should check that mysqld is running... |
| 18:32.05 | stew | AngTalunin: read the mysql logs when you try to restart it |
| 18:32.31 | jelly | emurz: and depending on the driver used (and/or the kernel version), your SATA drive might look as either IDE or SCSI. |
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| 18:32.59 | eka | hi all |
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| 18:33.14 | eka | how can i restrict ip based bandwidth |
| 18:33.21 | PerfDave | eka: /msg dpkg lartc |
| 18:34.01 | emurz | I see |
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| 18:34.04 | AngTalunin | stew: where can i find them? |
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| 18:34.27 | stew | AngTalunin: wherever you defined them in /etc/mysql/my.cnf with a log= directive |
| 18:34.31 | green_earz | eka: all so have a look at the script "wondershaper" apt-cache show wondershaper |
| 18:34.34 | Lee__ | AngTalunin: it sounds like you need to read the documentation on how to opperate MySQL before you start debugging it. |
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| 18:34.36 | emurz | PerfDave: if I got a network here, both linux and windows pcs, how can I link both linux and windows together? like sharing the same printer, moving files. |
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| 18:34.57 | eka | thx guys |
| 18:34.59 | Lee__ | !tell emurz about samba |
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| 18:35.26 | emurz | this is so r0x0rz |
| 18:35.30 | AngTalunin | Lee_ it workded fine, but after a reboot it just isn't working any more |
| 18:35.34 | PerfDave | emurz: Samba is probably what you want, but I don't have any Windows systems :0 |
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| 18:36.17 | Lee__ | emurz: beware of samba. it has claimed many brilliant minds. |
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| 18:36.35 | concept10 | Anyone here own a laptop with a p4 mobile proc? |
| 18:37.10 | green_earz | eka: and do a apt-cache search shaper for a couple more scripts |
| 18:37.44 | eka | green_earz: which is best |
| 18:37.55 | madclicker | is there a webbased vacation interface for sarge that users could use? |
| 18:37.59 | Virtual | Do you guys know of any instant messenger client for yahoo that supports webcam ? |
| 18:38.07 | Lee__ | !best |
| 18:38.07 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 18:38.21 | stew | Men at Work! |
| 18:38.26 | jelly | Anyone for Tennis? |
| 18:38.35 | eka | table tennis |
| 18:38.38 | abrotman | would'nt that be nice |
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| 18:40.05 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: I've had the runs for three days straight... any ideas? |
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| 18:40.31 | black13 | i was talking tosomeone early about building a custom kernel then the line got cut off |
| 18:40.36 | pureone | dont eat at that indian place any more ;) |
| 18:40.40 | jelly | TwistedEmotions: is that a common Debian problem? ;-) |
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| 18:40.56 | TwistedEmotions | jelly: heh... dont know.. maybe a survey is needed.. |
| 18:41.00 | jelly | should I woory? |
| 18:41.04 | Yabden | apt-get install fiber |
| 18:41.17 | madclicker | is there a webbased vacation interface for sarge that users could use? |
| 18:41.24 | abrotman | jelly: what .. i finished the song .. and you didn't notice? |
| 18:41.31 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman has missed me so I asked him a question so he wouldnt miss me as much. |
| 18:41.33 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: stop eating the same crap every day |
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| 18:41.45 | jelly | abrotman: Sorry, the reference was lost on me. |
| 18:41.45 | Lee__ | how does one interface to vacations via the web? I prefer to take mine in real life. |
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| 18:42.19 | green_earz | eka: have a look at > apt-cache show shapecfg |
| 18:42.23 | greycat | Lee__: Recall! Recall! Recall! |
| 18:42.29 | qronik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.30 | qronik | damn |
| 18:42.34 | Lee__ | arghaa!!!! |
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| 18:43.06 | Lee__ | Quatto Lives! |
| 18:43.12 | jelly | TwistedEmotions: If you're up for symptomatic "cures", try chocolate |
| 18:43.31 | eka | green_earz: thnx |
| 18:44.20 | TwistedEmotions | jelly: hahaha chocolate would kill me right now. |
| 18:44.40 | TwistedEmotions | jelly: but thanks for advice ;) |
| 18:44.54 | abrotman | jelly: you picked the song ... |
| 18:45.51 | green_earz | eka: check out the link for a genral info for package shaping > http://luxik.cdi.cz/~devik/qos/htb/manual/userg.htm |
| 18:46.23 | TwistedEmotions | If I was to switch from unstable --> testing... how long would it be before packages were to catch up with unstable version that I have currently? |
| 18:46.30 | jelly | abrotman: I'm aware of that now, but wasn't then. That last one was new for me, so my response was, like, "what's this one?" |
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| 18:46.46 | abrotman | jelly: you know the song? |
| 18:46.50 | TwistedEmotions | Err... I'm guessing each package is different huh? Damn.. |
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| 18:47.03 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: it may never fully catch up |
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| 18:47.11 | jelly | abrotman: no. dammit. that's why i didn't catch the reference. |
| 18:47.21 | jelly | s/why/how/ |
| 18:47.32 | abrotman | jelly: moment |
| 18:47.39 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: well... Unstable it is... Weeeeeee |
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| 18:48.38 | jelly | TwistedEmotions: then again, you could try to DOWNGRADE... <cue evil laughter> |
| 18:48.48 | TwistedEmotions | !downgrade |
| 18:48.49 | dpkg | somebody said downgrade was not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 18:48.54 | TwistedEmotions | weeeee |
| 18:49.02 | abrotman | jelly: http://www.lyrics007.com/Cream%20Lyrics/Anyone%20for%20Tennis%20Lyrics.html |
| 18:49.08 | puff | I need to set up an ssl-protected web proxy on my server. Is there any easy way to do this? |
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| 18:49.09 | Thanatermesis | I need to mirror a repository with using FTP, and if Im delete in my server any file, I need to are deleted in the another server, If I have new file, include this... how to posible to make this automatically ? |
| 18:49.22 | puff | E.g. a package designed for this purpose; I assume I could just set up squid and an ssl tunnel to squid. |
| 18:49.30 | abrotman | jelly: now? |
| 18:49.32 | dirwiz | Try looking into rsync for mirroring if possible.. |
| 18:49.35 | dirwiz | nice tool.. |
| 18:49.43 | puff | dirwiz: rsync will do deleting? |
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| 18:49.59 | TwistedEmotions | Why would one go from testing -> stable? |
| 18:49.59 | abrotman | yes .. read the man page |
| 18:50.04 | abrotman | wait .. for Thanatermesis |
| 18:50.07 | dirwiz | yea.. I rsync the debian distro (and all packages). It does a great job.. |
| 18:50.13 | dirwiz | But you need to setup an rsync server... |
| 18:50.16 | TwistedEmotions | testing has had almost all the bugs removed ;P |
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| 18:50.32 | TwistedEmotions | Ohh.. security updates? |
| 18:50.41 | abrotman | you can't |
| 18:50.47 | puff | abrotman: I keep meaning to, but I've never had an rsync-ish task sufficiently prioritized to explore rsync. |
| 18:51.00 | abrotman | puff: reading man pages is fun .. |
| 18:51.13 | puff | abrotman: Sure, I read a ton of stuff every day. |
| 18:51.13 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: you cant what? Er.. were you talking to me? |
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| 18:51.28 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: you can't go from testing to stable .. you'd have to reinstall |
| 18:51.32 | puff | abrotman: But I don't always have time to read everything. |
| 18:51.36 | PerfDave | puff: I always used tinyproxy, and tunneled HTTP over an SSH tunnel. |
| 18:51.38 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: Ahh.. kk. |
| 18:51.43 | abrotman | puff: make time damnit! |
| 18:51.57 | jelly | abrotman: no. maybe it's from before I knew any English, or it wasn't popular in Europe. |
| 18:52.18 | puff | abrotman: I'll add that to my to-do list. |
| 18:52.22 | abrotman | jelly: cream .. not popular in europe .. do you know who cream's guitarist was ... some moron named Eric Clapton |
| 18:52.44 | abrotman | jelly: i heard he was big in england :) |
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| 18:52.50 | greycat | abrotman: wasn't he god? |
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| 18:53.02 | abrotman | greycat: do you know how badly i want a shirt like that :) |
| 18:53.02 | puff | PerfDave: Danke. |
| 18:53.03 | jelly | abrotman: I thought that chap was in Yardbirds? |
| 18:53.11 | greycat | abrotman: make one :) |
| 18:53.30 | abrotman | jelly: yes .. and the Blues Explosion |
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| 18:53.35 | Thanatermesis_ | any idea ? |
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| 18:53.37 | abrotman | wait .. yardbirds .. no .. blind faith |
| 18:53.39 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 18:53.44 | greycat | heh |
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| 18:53.50 | consti | hi |
| 18:54.01 | abrotman | god damn it ... see what happens when you do lots of drugs .. people can't keep track of all the bands you were in |
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| 18:54.35 | jelly | abrotman: I seem to be missing a lot of stuff. The only Blues Explosion I know of is Jon Spencer's one. ;-) |
| 18:54.45 | consti | brauche Hilfe - wie kann ich nen selbst kompiliertes Prog wieder komplett entfernen ? |
| 18:54.49 | abrotman | yes .. yardbirds .. and no .. Bluesbreakers .. |
| 18:54.49 | lotus2010 | hi i just installed sarge, and this thing stops working "miscript > foo & " after I close the telnet session, I could swear I done this kinds of stuff many times but in this box it just doesnt work, the script dies when I close the session from it was launched |
| 18:54.49 | greycat | abrotman: "Doing drugs makes everyone else stupider!" |
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| 18:54.57 | abrotman | greycat: indeed it does |
| 18:55.16 | abrotman | jelly: he was also in Derek and the Dominos |
| 18:55.29 | lotus2010 | is that the expected behaviour? background process dies when closed parent process? |
| 18:55.32 | kamaraju | How can I find out what packages I have installed/upgraded in the past 5 days? Is there any log kept? I am using sid. |
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| 18:55.34 | r3v | lotus2010: look into 'screen' |
| 18:55.40 | greycat | kamaraju: dpkg 1.13 logs. |
| 18:55.48 | r3v | lotus2010: and ssh instead of telnet :) |
| 18:55.53 | greycat | kamaraju: we *almost* got to the 10th anniversary of that wishlist bug before they added that feature. |
| 18:55.56 | greycat | *so* close! |
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| 18:56.03 | lotus2010 | r3v, I think i done that many times without screen |
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| 18:56.20 | stew | greycat: oh did they actually close that one in time? |
| 18:56.25 | stew | !dbugs 957 |
| 18:56.26 | abrotman | jelly: greycat: http://www.stratcollector.com/images/news/clapton/god.gif |
| 18:56.28 | greycat | lotus2010: 1) nohup, 2) disown, or 3) screen. |
| 18:56.29 | jelly | lotus2010: it gets a HUP (hangup) signal, if it doesn't catch it, it usually dies. |
| 18:56.30 | dpkg | DONE:#957:W[dpkg] dpkg should automatically log everything |
| 18:56.45 | jelly | greycat: disown is zsh only, innit? |
| 18:56.46 | kamaraju | greycat: Thanks. I will read the man pages then. My laptop is hanging at random times for the past 3 days. I need to dig into that problem.... |
| 18:56.48 | greycat | jelly: bash |
| 18:57.22 | lotus2010 | greycat, could you elaborate a bit in item 1) or 2) ?? |
| 18:57.25 | greycat | I wouldn't advocate a zsh-only feature without labeling it as such |
| 18:57.30 | greycat | lotus2010: man nohup; help disown |
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| 18:57.58 | tarzeau | r3v: telnet is fine |
| 18:58.00 | jelly | lotus2010: run "nohup stuff &" and hope it works. Log off/close term, log in, and see if it's still running. |
| 18:58.06 | r3v | tarzeau: no it's not |
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| 18:58.13 | tarzeau | r3v: yes it is, i use both |
| 18:58.25 | lotus2010 | jelly, greycat many thx |
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| 18:58.40 | greycat | telnet is NEVER ok unless you use kerberos stuff which some people have told me makes telnet OK but I don't grok Kerberos myself. |
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| 18:58.48 | r3v | tarzeau: use what you want I guess, I'd never do that |
| 18:58.58 | puff | Anybody use rhythmbox? I ripped a CD that was a compilation of different artists, and now I can't seem to find a way to select & play that CD, I have to find each artist or each song to play it. |
| 18:59.00 | tarzeau | greycat: there's also telnet-ssl which is fine too |
| 18:59.12 | jelly | greycat: there's also this telnet-ssl thingy which is not ok too. ;-) |
| 18:59.14 | tarzeau | telnet is great for nethack.alt.org ;) |
| 18:59.18 | stew | telnet is good for testing pop/smtp/imap |
| 18:59.23 | Thanatermesis_ | I need to mirror a repository with using FTP, and if Im delete in my server any file, I need to are deleted in the another server, If I have new file, include this... how to posible to make this automatically ? |
| 18:59.25 | greycat | tarzeau: people could still sniff your NAO password |
| 18:59.47 | greycat | stew: yes; I mean "telnetd" in this context. |
| 18:59.48 | abrotman | stew: and http! |
| 18:59.54 | puff | greycat: kerberos is a zero-knowledge transfer authentication protocol, which is fundamentally the same sort of thing that SSH and SSL use to establish their connection (insert much math hand-waviing here). |
| 19:00.02 | ecobit | if i have .dsc .orig.tar.gz .diff.gz what command(s) do i need to turn that into a package source dir? |
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| 19:00.07 | greycat | the telnet(1) client program is very useful for probing things *other* than telnetd(8) |
| 19:00.10 | puff | greycat: I read up on it when MIT's athena project first came up with it, but that was... a while ago. |
| 19:00.11 | nooneelse | someone knows how to boot into cdrom in powerbook g4(mac-ppc) ? |
| 19:00.24 | PerfDave | nooneelse: ask #debianppc ? |
| 19:00.26 | puff | Er, zero-knowledge-transfer |
| 19:00.28 | tarzeau | nooneelse: press the c key? |
| 19:00.42 | PerfDave | puff: Zero knowledge transfer? Sounds like #debian ;) |
| 19:00.44 | rob_lt | How can I search the dpkg bot for keywords? |
| 19:00.49 | PerfDave | rob_lt: listkeys, listvals |
| 19:00.50 | puff | PerfDave: Sometimes. |
| 19:00.54 | rob_lt | PerfDave, thanks |
| 19:00.58 | Covener | What would be the most straightforward way to install to an array of dmraid/fakeraid disks -- livecd and debootstrap? |
| 19:01.07 | srineer|laptop | im trying to find out why i cant install a 2.6 kernel on any off my boxes (stock kernel) and have a working network card? if i install 2.4 everything works fine... can someone point me to some Docs on what i might be doing wrong? |
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| 19:01.15 | abrotman | which NIC? |
| 19:01.20 | srineer|laptop | anyone |
| 19:01.23 | fantik | what are good system/application monitoring tools? |
| 19:01.27 | srineer|laptop | err any nic |
| 19:01.28 | puff | PerfDave: Basically it's, like a public/private key setup, a way to verify that both participants are in possession of a bit of secret information, without sending that information. |
| 19:01.40 | fantik | for system load, network latency, disk usage, cpu usage, etc |
| 19:01.53 | PerfDave | puff: I was being silly ;) |
| 19:02.04 | srineer|laptop | fantik, nagios |
| 19:02.08 | PerfDave | puff: I believe that Kerberos is basically the same sort of thing as OpenID ;) |
| 19:02.14 | jelly | puff: but then it must have some central authority, doesn't it? |
| 19:02.55 | abrotman | srineer|laptop: any as in what kind? broadcom? old DEC? 3com? |
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| 19:03.55 | PerfDave | srineer|laptop: What makes you say that the network card isn't working under 2.6? It could be that the interface has a different name with the 2.6 kernel - check using "ifconfig -a" |
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| 19:04.23 | srineer|laptop | there is nothing in /etc/network/interface |
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| 19:04.47 | srineer|laptop | as for the Nic - have tried 6 different nics on 4 different systems |
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| 19:04.59 | srineer|laptop | if i do a 2.4 install everything works |
| 19:05.20 | srineer|laptop | i was not sure if it was just me... or if there is a know issue |
| 19:05.31 | PerfDave | srineer|laptop: Have you seen whether the interfaces appear with "ifconfig -a", as I asked? |
| 19:05.43 | abrotman | srineer|laptop: did you use a daily .. or the sarge netinst? |
| 19:05.49 | srineer|laptop | there is a eth0 |
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| 19:05.54 | srineer|laptop | no ip |
| 19:05.56 | PerfDave | srineer|laptop: Congratulations! |
| 19:06.00 | srineer|laptop | ? |
| 19:06.02 | Thanatermesis | I need to mirror a repository with using FTP, and if Im delete in my server any file, I need to are deleted in the another server, If I have new file, include this... how to posible to make this automatically ? |
| 19:06.03 | abrotman | srineer|laptop: did you use a daily .. or the sarge netinst? |
| 19:06.10 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: man rsync |
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| 19:06.20 | AngTalunin | how can i configure an mysql socket? |
| 19:06.29 | PerfDave | srineer|laptop: If the interface appears in "ifconfig -a", then it is recognised by the kernel. To configure it, you need to put a stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:06.36 | puff | Hm. |
| 19:06.46 | PerfDave | srineer|laptop: When you've done that, you can "ifup eth0" to bring the interface up with the configuration you've specified. |
| 19:06.52 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, sorry, Im don't have any access to this machine, not ssh... only FTP access |
| 19:07.13 | srineer|laptop | ok... why does the 2.4 do that for me and i have to manully do that in 2.6? |
| 19:07.23 | jelly | PerfDave: I think s/he hints at an installer problem, where the 2.4 install asks/configures the card, while the 2.6 does not do all/any of that |
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| 19:07.47 | kamaraju | Is anyone experiencing random hangups from 2 days or so in unstable. I looked at /var/log/messages and there is nothing suspicious. What could be wrong? |
| 19:07.47 | PerfDave | srineer|laptop: No idea. Works for me. Which installer are you using? |
| 19:07.56 | srineer|laptop | let me check |
| 19:07.57 | PerfDave | kamaraju: You're running unstable? ;) |
| 19:08.02 | kamaraju | PerfDave: |
| 19:08.05 | kamaraju | PerfDave: Yes |
| 19:08.08 | r3v | kamaraju: mine is fine |
| 19:08.13 | PerfDave | kamaraju: Well, that's probably what's wrong ;) |
| 19:08.24 | srineer|laptop | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ |
| 19:08.43 | kamaraju | PerfDave: I would like to figure out what the problem is. |
| 19:08.55 | jelly | Why is that a "minor" bug? |
| 19:09.04 | PerfDave | srineer|laptop: Why are you using a testing daily image? Use the stable installer, install stable. |
| 19:09.05 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: some uber-hack script? |
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| 19:09.17 | abrotman | srineer|laptop: what was the date on your ISO? |
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| 19:09.46 | kamaraju | r3v: Which X are you using? I am using 6.8.2.dfsg.1-5 |
| 19:10.03 | zinosat | what do I need to display CJK fonts in X? |
| 19:10.24 | nooneelse | someone knows how to boot into cdrom in powerbook g4(mac-ppc) ? |
| 19:10.42 | abrotman | srineer|laptop: what was the date on your ISO? |
| 19:10.44 | srineer|laptop | i just wanted21-Aug-2005 23:58 |
| 19:10.48 | nkuttler | nooneelse: command-c iirc, google it |
| 19:10.49 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, Im don't know... not exist a FTP client in console mode with have " --update --delete" modes or similar ? |
| 19:10.50 | srineer|laptop | 21-Aug-2005 23:58 |
| 19:10.51 | PerfDave | nooneelse: Did you try asking #debian-ppc? |
| 19:11.03 | Octalthorpe | I'm having a problem, and I'm not sure if it's a problem with GDM or with X.org; whenever I log out, it just hangs on the X root window (with mouse cursor, which I can move). If I Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, it drops to a terminal and gdm doesn't return. If I restart it, it hangs on the X cross-hatch root with the 'X'-shaped mouse cursor. |
| 19:11.10 | PerfDave | srineer|laptop: Use the stable installer, it's stable. |
| 19:11.18 | srineer|laptop | ok |
| 19:11.41 | srineer|laptop | i just wanted to know if it was me or not? (was betting on me) |
| 19:11.46 | Octalthorpe | Thanatermesis : What're you looking for? |
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| 19:11.55 | abrotman | srineer|laptop: there's been a KNOWN issue with the daily's ... the netconfig is messed up .. it might be fixed ... http://wiki.debian.net/DebianInstallerToday should mention it .. but if you want stable .. use the sarge installer |
| 19:12.09 | PerfDave | srineer|laptop: There appear to be lots of bugs with the d-i testing images currently, since it's now under heavy development after Sarge's release. |
| 19:12.15 | PerfDave | srineer|laptop: But really, use the stable installer, install stable. |
| 19:12.22 | viper | hi all |
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| 19:12.37 | viper | Has anyone installed xmmp or zinf? |
| 19:13.01 | srineer|laptop | thanks guys, im downloading the stable version now |
| 19:13.15 | srineer|laptop | happy to know im not going crazy |
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| 19:14.15 | Thanatermesis | Octalthorpe, Im need to mirror a repository in another machine, I have ONLY FTP access, its posible to make a similar to "sincronized mirror" or simple client of FTP with modes "--update --delete" ? (for example if Im include a new file or modify this, actualize, if Im delete a file in my machine, delete in the remote) |
| 19:14.28 | Octalthorpe | Thanatermesis : lftp can do that, probably. |
| 19:14.45 | viper | when i installed xmms, it installs, but when i try to play a mp3, it freezes |
| 19:14.47 | Octalthorpe | It has a 'mirror' function, anyway, which can do recursive transfers and whatnot. |
| 19:14.53 | Thanatermesis | :( lftp not works in this server :'( |
| 19:15.03 | Octalthorpe | Demand rsync? :) |
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| 19:15.27 | jelly | Thanatermesis: how does it "not work", did you try tinkering with ftp options? passive-ftp? |
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| 19:16.30 | jelly | Thanatermesis: run lftp, type eg. "debug 3", then try to connect and download and see where it breaks. Might help. Then again, it might not. ;-) |
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| 19:21.02 | green_earz | viper: on xmms go to options > preferences > audio i/o plugins and see if mpeg layer 1/2/3 is enabled all so see if the out put plugin is oss driver |
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| 19:21.41 | humbolto | how can I delete a raid superblock so I end up with a clean linux raid autodetect partition |
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| 19:21.56 | viper | green, will do now |
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| 19:22.03 | green_earz | ok |
| 19:22.34 | jelly | Can the bot show bug for a particular package (I know about http://bugs.debian.org)? |
| 19:22.54 | greycat | !dbugs 300000 |
| 19:22.57 | dpkg | #300000:M[libcrypt-ssleay-perl] package description typo(s) and the like |
| 19:23.12 | greycat | I don't think it can show all the bugs for a package, though |
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| 19:23.22 | Thanatermesis | jelly, from my memory are a problem of the server, have a "special" authentication in ssl, but I like to try this if you like... the message are "waiting data..." and not continue |
| 19:23.23 | viper | greeen: it is |
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| 19:23.28 | greycat | that list is quite long for some packages... |
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| 19:24.03 | kandalf | hi there. Does anybody managed to get the temperature of a SATA HD ? |
| 19:24.11 | mischko | anyone running sarge under vmware? |
| 19:24.19 | mischko | on windows? |
| 19:24.26 | asd | are there sensors on sata hdd's? |
| 19:24.26 | justin | kandalf: with a thermometer? |
| 19:24.32 | asd | lol |
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| 19:24.59 | kandalf | justin, nope |
| 19:25.00 | humbolto | how can I wipe of a raid superblock from my partition? |
| 19:25.01 | jelly | kandalf: not supported in kernel yet, I think |
| 19:25.09 | kandalf | using SMART features I think |
| 19:25.14 | justin | humbolto: dd can wipe anything from anything |
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| 19:25.22 | kandalf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.26 | noloK | hi |
| 19:25.29 | Neo_X_Saibot | with gpart , i can recover my partition table ? |
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| 19:25.40 | kamaraju | When I do apt-get --download dist-upgrade, it downloads some packages which are new in the repository. How can I get the list of these packages without downloading them? |
| 19:25.43 | kandalf | i will have to continue doing my hardware tests in window$ |
| 19:26.00 | asd | u/l |
| 19:26.02 | humbolto | justin: How many bytes to I have to fill with /dev/null? |
| 19:26.10 | jelly | kandalf: the SATA master guy has SMART in his kernel tree and won't give it to anyone. (not stable yet, might corrupt your precious bodily fluids or sometinhg) |
| 19:26.15 | justin | humbolto: 1k should do it |
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| 19:26.42 | asd | sema4 |
| 19:26.46 | asd | ops |
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| 19:27.05 | Neo_X_Saibot | how i recovery my partition table ? |
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| 19:27.07 | kandalf | ok, thanks jelly |
| 19:27.08 | noloK | what is the 4th number in the kernel? 2.6.12.5? patch version or...? i'm new in 2.6 |
| 19:27.15 | jelly | kandalf: if you're not worried about the data, I suppose you could take his tree and compile... |
| 19:27.37 | sean_micken|work | what automake version should i install? im just trying to compile dspam. |
| 19:27.46 | Octalthorpe | mischko : I'm running sarge under vmware on Linux.. |
| 19:27.47 | green_earz | viper: and xmms is locking up on mp3. i had the same problem but sorry i can not remember how i sorted it out. if you get no luck here with it , do a post on the debian-user@lists.debian.org mailing list. have a google to see what come back |
| 19:27.56 | humbolto | so: dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda2 count=1k? |
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| 19:28.21 | mischko | Octalthorpe, I'm going to try it under Windows. Figuring out how to do the download of an installer. |
| 19:28.33 | Neo_X_Saibot | any can help me to recover my partition table ? |
| 19:28.47 | Yabden | viper it could be your soundcard is not capable of mixing more than 1 channel, try killing any sound daemons running (esd or artsd for example) |
| 19:28.52 | AngTalunin | how can i configure a mysql socket? |
| 19:28.54 | humbolto | justin: is a block a byte?: dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda2 count=1k? |
| 19:29.05 | jelly | http://linux.yyz.us/sata/software-status.html#smart says "SMART support will be integrated very soon." ;-) |
| 19:29.12 | green_earz | viper: dose the system make any sound ? |
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| 19:29.34 | stew | AngTalunin: socket = /path/to/socket |
| 19:29.44 | Yabden | nvidia motherboards using the snd_intel8x0 alsa module for example can only mix 1 channel |
| 19:29.45 | noloK | what is the 4th number in the kernel? 2.6.12.5? patch version or...? i'm new in 2.6 |
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| 19:30.59 | mathieu_ | noloK, patches while they work on the next release |
| 19:30.59 | dumezil | how can i see the creation time of a file? |
| 19:31.13 | Octalthorpe | mischko : Download the ISO, have vmware load it as the optical drive? |
| 19:31.29 | Nolius_ | hello what is the cd debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso ? |
| 19:31.33 | Octalthorpe | humbolto : Block size with dd is configurable. |
| 19:31.34 | mischko | Octalthorpe, I'm downloading the minimal cd iso and try that. |
| 19:31.36 | AngTalunin | stew, but i don't have a socket... |
| 19:31.38 | Octalthorpe | humbolto : I think it's normally 1KB. |
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| 19:31.50 | Nolius_ | and debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 19:31.50 | jelly | Neo_X_Saibot: i vaguely remember something called guesspart... |
| 19:31.54 | Octalthorpe | Nolius_ : It's a very small net-install disc, sized to fit on a "business card" CD. |
| 19:32.00 | stew | AngTalunin: if you add a socket= line to the [mysqld] section of the config it will create one when it starts |
| 19:32.04 | Octalthorpe | Nolius_ : It's smaller but basically the same as the netinst images. |
| 19:32.16 | ranto | id there a way to tell apt to reinstall all packages? |
| 19:32.25 | Nolius_ | Octalthorpe, cool |
| 19:32.31 | stew | ranto: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 19:32.32 | Nolius_ | ;-) |
| 19:32.42 | green_earz | Nolius_: the businesscard.iso is about 50 meg and the netinst.iso is about 110 meg |
| 19:32.43 | AngTalunin | stew: there is one by default: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock.... |
| 19:32.45 | dumezil | with ls, is there a way to see what time a file was created? |
| 19:33.00 | AngTalunin | stew: but that isn't working.. |
| 19:33.07 | stew | AngTalunin: is the server starting? |
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| 19:33.29 | stew | AngTalunin: if you have that line there the socket will be created when the server starts |
| 19:33.34 | ranto | stew: thanks |
| 19:33.38 | James_Ward | Can anyone help me with a RAID problem here, or direct me to a more appropriate channel? |
| 19:33.47 | Octalthorpe | dumezil : ls -lc |
| 19:33.56 | jelly | !tell Neo_X_Saibot about info gpart |
| 19:33.58 | stew | James_Ward: until we know your problem we can't help |
| 19:33.58 | Nolius_ | another question, I want to Download the debian distribution, I really need module-assistant and ndiswrapper. How many cd I must download? |
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| 19:34.36 | James_Ward | Okay, for some reason, my formerly functionall system no longer creates /dev/md0 upon boot and I can't figure out why. |
| 19:34.55 | stew | James_Ward: did you recently install udev? |
| 19:34.55 | AngTalunin | stew: when i run mysqld i get the error : can't start server: bind on tcp/ip port: cannot assign requested address |
| 19:34.58 | Thanatermesis | not exist a simple client to FTP with have "update and delete(old files)" features? |
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| 19:35.15 | James_Ward | stew: I don't believe so, I think it's always had a 2.6 kernel. |
| 19:35.18 | stew | AngTalunin: is something already bound to that port? |
| 19:35.23 | green_earz | James_Ward: here a debian software raid1 link that may be of help to you > http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/ |
| 19:35.36 | noloK | mathieu thanks |
| 19:35.42 | AngTalunin | stew: not as far as i know...(how can i check) it's a clean install |
| 19:35.44 | jelly | Thanatermesis: is this ftp server of yours publically accessible? |
| 19:35.47 | stew | James_Ward: what happens when you do "dpkg -l udev"? |
| 19:35.51 | James_Ward | Chefcking it green_earz. |
| 19:35.54 | stew | AngTalunin: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 19:36.00 | green_earz | ok |
| 19:36.09 | terr | Is there a "quicktime" player for debian? I'd like to listen to Kip Thorn's lecture on physics from CNU and those dummies don't use an open format! |
| 19:36.23 | James_Ward | stew: udev 0.050-3ubuntu7 /dev/ management daemon |
| 19:36.26 | nkuttler | terr: afaik mplayer can do that |
| 19:36.34 | Octalthorpe | Yeah, MPlayer. |
| 19:36.37 | jelly | terr: mplayer? Not in Debian though |
| 19:36.37 | Thanatermesis | jelly, private upload and public download |
| 19:36.37 | stew | Nolius_: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 19:36.48 | lui_away | link very good =)) |
| 19:36.51 | lui_away | http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/ |
| 19:37.03 | terr | nkuttler: this is apparently a streaming format. check here: http://carnegieinstitution.org/capital_science_02_03.html |
| 19:37.04 | stew | James_Ward: then you did install udev. i don't know if you did recently, you should be asking in #ubuntu, not here |
| 19:37.09 | jelly | Thanatermesis: well you want to download, don't you? Or is it some sort of ratio thingy? |
| 19:37.15 | nkuttler | terr: so? |
| 19:37.16 | dumezil | Octalthorp: that just does time of last modification of the i-node... maybe im just dumb and don't really understand what that means, but it seems if the file is changed that would modify the inode |
| 19:37.17 | AngTalunin | stew: dpkg open ports: need an action option |
| 19:37.18 | stew | James_Ward: but you neeed to reconfigure udev for /dev/md0 |
| 19:37.28 | James_Ward | stew: Nobody seems to know RAID there, is there a generic RAID channel? |
| 19:37.34 | Octalthorpe | dumezil : That's the CTIME, which should be when the file was created. |
| 19:37.37 | stew | !tell AngTalunin about open ports |
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| 19:37.45 | stew | James_Ward: /msg chanserv list *raid* |
| 19:37.47 | James_Ward | stew: How do I do that? |
| 19:37.48 | green_earz | lui_away: its the best way to raid. nice howto link |
| 19:37.53 | Thanatermesis | hello NachE |
| 19:38.01 | terr | nkuttler: so I can bring up mplayer but I don't know how to access the stream from it. Clicking on the link in firefox results in "unknown plugin" |
| 19:38.04 | stew | James_Ward: type that into your irc client |
| 19:38.09 | NachE | hi Thanatermesis |
| 19:38.12 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:38.13 | dpkg | < FieldySnuts> someone who realizes this may get them severely larted do this: -!- sgeigerbot [n=user@h216-170-007-123.adsl.navix.net] has joined #debian |
| 19:38.15 | zophyx | i upgraded mdadm, how do i setup the existing raid0 so it will continue to work ? this raid0 is the root filwsystem |
| 19:38.19 | nkuttler | terr: try the mplayer mozilla plugin |
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| 19:38.26 | James_Ward | stew: Nothing looks RAID ish. |
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| 19:38.39 | stew | James_Ward: read the udev docs |
| 19:38.40 | dumezil | Octolthorp: apparently the wtmp file that last uses modifies the inode... |
| 19:38.43 | nkuttler | terr: and man mplayer and look if it handles urls |
| 19:38.48 | James_Ward | stew: Thanks. |
| 19:38.54 | stew | James_Ward: your problem has nothign to do with raid, its a udev problem |
| 19:38.56 | jelly | terr: if the stream is embedded, you could look at the source of the page and find the (presumably) .mov link. |
| 19:38.59 | Octalthorpe | dumezil : Brief experimentation shows that it's the last mod time, though, not the create time, so I dunno. *shrugs* |
| 19:39.00 | James_Ward | stew: I just don't understand why it would just stop woirking. |
| 19:39.25 | stew | James_Ward: if you just installed udev the /dev/ entry might have just gone away |
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| 19:39.29 | jelly | terr: then do mplayer http://wh/er/ever.mov |
| 19:39.55 | James_Ward | stew: That's just it, I think it's always had udev. Could aa udev upgrade have broken it? |
| 19:40.18 | stew | James_Ward: yes |
| 19:40.20 | Nolius_ | stew, thank you, but I dont found ndiswrapper do you know why? |
| 19:40.31 | James_Ward | stew: Okay, googling for the answer. |
| 19:40.33 | greycat | because you didn't look in the right place? |
| 19:40.44 | stew | Nolius_: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo/?name=*ndis*&whichtype=any |
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| 19:41.52 | Nolius_ | stew, thanks |
| 19:41.58 | thingfish | Using sarge...if I want say, .doc files to open with OO.o by default rather than Abiword, how do I set that? Gconf-editor doesn't seem to be the place. |
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| 19:42.31 | kamaraju | http://wiki.debian.net/ seems to be down. Is anyone able to access it or is it just me? |
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| 19:42.46 | AngTalunin | stew: do you know where the default mysql config file is located? |
| 19:43.02 | thingfish | or, in other words, how does one deal with file associations in sarge? |
| 19:43.17 | stew | AngTalunin: afaik, nowhere, but there are some slightly outdated examples in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server |
| 19:43.36 | Gathond | thingfish: that would probably be something in whatever filemanager you use |
| 19:43.41 | jelly | thingfish: maybe mailcap-order(5)? |
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| 19:44.09 | thingfish | Gathond: that would be nautilus. |
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| 19:44.25 | thingfish | I was thinking that's more of a gnome thing. |
| 19:44.30 | AngTalunin | stew: is it necessary to set the root password somewhere, cause i've changed it ... |
| 19:44.37 | thingfish | thanks jelly, will look at that. |
| 19:44.43 | TheMoebius | I have a secondary hard disk in my box, but when I ls /dev there are a ton of options for hdx. How to I know which one is my hard disk? |
| 19:44.56 | nkuttler | AngTalunin: apt-get install mysql-doc, read it |
| 19:44.57 | jelly | It probably is a gnome thing, and gnome might not care about mailcap. |
| 19:45.07 | Gathond | thingfish: nautilus is the gnome filemanager yes, I've never used it for more than 20 seconds though, so Im not much help there |
| 19:45.07 | stew | AngTalunin: no |
| 19:45.23 | outlaw84 | how do you report links that are broken that dpkg (channel-bot) gives you? |
| 19:45.24 | thingfish | hehe |
| 19:45.44 | terr | damn no noatun will not start. It has to be timing out trying to access the sound card. |
| 19:45.44 | LokeDK | is there a way to set permanent chmod on a directory? so if i files get created it'll automatically get chmod 755? |
| 19:46.01 | nkuttler | hm, mysql-doc doesn't exist any more... |
| 19:46.05 | Nolius_ | stew, just another question : if I download the first cd and the 14 (but not 2...13).it will work? |
| 19:46.06 | jelly | LokeDK: created by what? |
| 19:46.12 | stew | !wikifaq LokeDK Permissions |
| 19:46.13 | dpkg | LokeDK: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 19:46.17 | stew | LokeDK: look up umask |
| 19:46.35 | AngTalunin | stew: any idea how to get mysql running? |
| 19:46.38 | LokeDK | I've tried umask.. but I can't see a way to do it on a directory |
| 19:46.50 | LokeDK | jelly, by gui and cli.. different |
| 19:46.57 | stew | Nolius_: it will work |
| 19:47.00 | tarzeau | outlaw84: don't report them, fix them |
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| 19:47.03 | Nolius_ | oh good |
| 19:47.03 | b00v | lo |
| 19:47.08 | stew | AngTalunin: /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 19:47.10 | Nolius_ | thanks |
| 19:47.23 | stew | LokeDK: its an environment variable, you cannot set it on a directory |
| 19:47.55 | LokeDK | stew, isn't there other solutions? |
| 19:48.03 | AngTalunin | stew: /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 19:48.08 | jelly | LokeDK: don't know. |
| 19:48.11 | AngTalunin | stew: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 19:48.11 | AngTalunin | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
| 19:48.26 | jelly | AngTalunin: well is it running? |
| 19:48.29 | b00v | can I ask someone a favour: could you look into your usr/lib/xmms/Output/ and send me the ls -l from it ? |
| 19:48.30 | terr | totem says: rtsp://4.21.98.16/thorne_streaming.mov there is no plugin to handle ... |
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| 19:48.54 | greycat | the umask isn't actually an environment variable, but it is inherited like environment variables, from parent to child. |
| 19:49.07 | stew | (thats what i meant) |
| 19:49.14 | stew | AngTalunin: then it probably isnt' starting, look at the log |
| 19:49.19 | LokeDK | it's because apache will give me 403/Forbidden if I don't chmod everytime |
| 19:49.26 | jelly | b00v: got that? |
| 19:49.37 | AngTalunin | stew: ok and where can i find the log? |
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| 19:49.49 | b00v | jelly, yes |
| 19:49.50 | stew | 14:34 < stew> AngTalunin: wherever you defined them in /etc/mysql/my.cnf with a log= directive |
| 19:49.56 | nkuttler | AngTalunin: /var/log/somewhere |
| 19:50.00 | stew | we seem to be going in circles here |
| 19:50.22 | tarzeau | RichiH: i've retitled #308148 just right now |
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| 19:50.36 | tarzeau | RichiH: are you getting ahead? |
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| 19:50.56 | Nexus | Ok. To have multiple IP addresses on a server with one nic, I edit /etc/network/interfaces and use iface eth0:1, eth0:2, etc, right? |
| 19:51.00 | nkuttler | stew: do you have the impression he's somebody who changes logfile locations? |
| 19:51.12 | shimano55 | Question, Whats a good cd player??? Cause I can't seem to change the totem device path. |
| 19:51.16 | stew | nkuttler: no i get the impression that he is someone that never configured one in the first place |
| 19:51.36 | nkuttler | stew: the defaults are fine |
| 19:51.37 | green_earz | b00v: i have put in #flood |
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| 19:51.56 | stew | nkuttler: there is no log by default afaik |
| 19:51.56 | Ungy | what's a log file? |
| 19:52.03 | b00v | green_earz, thanks |
| 19:52.09 | Nexus | Is something you use to sharpen logs. |
| 19:52.14 | stew | Ungy: echo "log" > /tmp/log |
| 19:52.33 | green_earz | b00v: pop into #flood |
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| 19:52.40 | Nexus | Anyone confirm this? |
| 19:52.41 | Nexus | Ok. To have multiple IP addresses on a server with one nic, I edit /etc/network/interfaces and use iface eth0:1, eth0:2, etc, right? |
| 19:52.45 | Ungy | Nexus but I use logs to sharpen my teeth |
| 19:52.58 | Ungy | Nexus yes |
| 19:53.02 | jelly | mysql dumps init stuff in daemon.log (if syslog.conf is default) |
| 19:53.06 | ranto | does apt save hashes for binary files somewhere? |
| 19:53.09 | Nexus | Sharpen the log, then you'll get sharper teeth. :) |
| 19:53.38 | AngTalunin | stew: the log is empty :-S |
| 19:53.44 | JeffP | I have an intall question, is this an appropriate channel for these types of questions? |
| 19:53.59 | Octalthorpe | JeffP : Yes. Also, |
| 19:54.00 | Octalthorpe | ~ask |
| 19:54.00 | apt | it has been said that ask is Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 19:54.05 | nkuttler | AngTalunin: read what jelly said |
| 19:54.44 | stew | none of the 3 versions of mysql i'm running log to daemon.log |
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| 19:54.56 | stew | AngTalunin: start it by hand or configure and error log |
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| 19:55.51 | AngTalunin | stew: mine does, but it's almost the same as the terminal....:-S |
| 19:56.01 | terr | has anyone here used xmovie? what would you recommend? is xmovie any good? |
| 19:56.11 | stew | AngTalunin: does it give any errors? |
| 19:56.11 | Ungy | !poll |
| 19:56.12 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 19:56.42 | mwilson | grrr |
| 19:57.04 | JeffP | :D Thx. I am doing a fresh install of sarge on a Soyo KT600 (Dragon PE) with SIL3112 SATA with 1 WD HD attached, it stalls on mod_scsi loading... Are there directives that will assist in recognizing the scsi sata? |
| 19:57.15 | Ungy | mwilson? what is the matter with you? |
| 19:59.01 | jelly | stew: 4.0.something from sarge logs initialization stuff here there. ;-) |
| 19:59.15 | fantik | what are the alternatives to nagios? |
| 19:59.27 | fantik | or is it the best tool in town? |
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| 19:59.30 | jelly | fantik: mon? |
| 19:59.42 | mwilson | fantik: Surely you've heard of Google. |
| 19:59.48 | AngTalunin | stew: 0 processes alive and '/usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping' resulted in |
| 19:59.56 | AngTalunin | stew: ^G/usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 20:00.03 | AngTalunin | stew: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 20:00.09 | AngTalunin | stew: Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
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| 20:00.14 | nkuttler | AngTalunin: stop spamming |
| 20:00.30 | nkuttler | AngTalunin: of course you can't connect if it's not running |
| 20:00.38 | jelly | AngTalunin: ps -fe |grep mysql, and then you'll be sure it's not running. ;-) |
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| 20:01.27 | AngTalunin | nkuttler,jelly: i'm sure it's not runnig...how to start it! |
| 20:01.41 | Ungy | /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 20:01.58 | jelly | AngTalunin: /etc/init.d/mysql start ... like everything else? |
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| 20:03.27 | KeepItReal | how do i install an .deb file ? |
| 20:03.34 | nkuttler | KeepItReal: man dpkg |
| 20:03.38 | stew | AngTalunin: you didn't delete the debian-sys-maint user did you?: |
| 20:03.42 | KeepItReal | tkas |
| 20:03.44 | SimonRaven | man dpkg |
| 20:03.54 | stew | !faq KeepItReal |
| 20:03.54 | dpkg | KeepItReal: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:03.58 | mind | hi, there is a chance to get xcompmgr and transset packages in sid? |
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| 20:04.14 | mwilson | mind: If someone feels the need to upload them. |
| 20:04.16 | AngTalunin | nope, just made sure root had an password |
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| 20:04.56 | jelly | AngTalunin: what's wrong with root having a password. |
| 20:05.05 | stew | jelly: nothing |
| 20:05.11 | jelly | if you don't lose it |
| 20:05.17 | stew | AngTalunin: did you configure an error log? |
| 20:05.20 | mind | mwilson: oh, ok, i'll wait :) |
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| 20:05.30 | AngTalunin | jelly, nothing, but by default it hadn't had a password |
| 20:05.50 | SimonRaven | someone didn't run base-config |
| 20:05.50 | streuner | mind: ask 'gravity' |
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| 20:06.01 | jelly | AngTalunin: well yes, but you're supposed to set it. |
| 20:06.09 | stew | jelly: he did, that is what he is saying |
| 20:06.15 | AngTalunin | jelly: i know, and i did |
| 20:06.26 | jelly | So what's the problem |
| 20:06.30 | SimonRaven | (i.e., didn't make the full run) |
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| 20:07.05 | stew | AngTalunin: if there is an error starting mysql it should go in the error log, which you need to configure |
| 20:07.09 | jelly | stew: I think he's talking about the mysql-server root, not system root? |
| 20:07.13 | mind | streuner: tnx |
| 20:07.14 | stew | jelly: yes |
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| 20:07.25 | stew | jelly: he's been talking about mysql-server for about 1.5 hours now |
| 20:07.25 | SimonRaven | duh me |
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| 20:07.38 | AngTalunin | stew: the error logs are configured and i already copy pasted everything to you |
| 20:07.43 | Anthro | Is there a way to retire a physical volume from an LVM volume group? This assumes that there is room on the other PVs in the VG to store what is on the PV to be retired, of course. |
| 20:07.49 | jelly | stew: I should probably drink some coffee and step away from irc then. |
| 20:07.57 | Ungy | AngTalunin, how about you go to #mysql |
| 20:08.06 | nkuttler | AngTalunin: what's the problem anyhow? did you start mysql now? |
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| 20:08.49 | jelly | stew: Is this a PEBCAK then? |
| 20:08.53 | AngTalunin | nkuttler: I installed mysql, and it worked fine, but after a reboot it just isn't getting started |
| 20:09.21 | nkuttler | AngTalunin: why not? |
| 20:09.27 | Ungy | AngTalunin, if you want help with it I suggest the #mysql channel |
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| 20:09.41 | Ungy | nkuttler, I am betting it is INNODB logs |
| 20:09.57 | AngTalunin | nkuttler: same problem here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=352993 |
| 20:10.44 | kieran | Anyone know of an open-source solution along the lines of FileMaker? I've been looking, but all I can find is developer-focused stuff for low level DB work. Any thoughts ? |
| 20:10.50 | nkuttler | AngTalunin: and the suggested fix didn't fix it? |
| 20:10.57 | jelly | AngTalunin: you could just purge the database and the packages and reinstall, like it's Windows. |
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| 20:11.32 | AngTalunin | jelly, |
| 20:11.49 | AngTalunin | jelly: but will that still work after a reboot... |
| 20:11.53 | Ungy | kieran you want somethign like filemaker pro or somethign like access? |
| 20:12.12 | nkuttler | AngTalunin: hell, get it to work, worry about rebooting _later_ |
| 20:12.20 | jelly | AngTalunin: one way to find out... ;-) |
| 20:12.21 | Anthro | kieran: I believe a few such things exist as frontends to MySQL or PostgreSQL. I know of nothing that exists as a standalone. |
| 20:12.43 | kieran | Ungy: Not really familiar with Access. Just a simple, semi-customizable, friendly DB that I can drop people in front of and they can understand. :) |
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| 20:12.51 | terr | vlc works!! |
| 20:13.18 | SerajewelKS | kieran, openoffice.org base? |
| 20:13.24 | kieran | hmm |
| 20:13.40 | Ungy | kieran, umm you don't want to ever drop peopel in front of a db but if your looking ofr a form based db interface there are a few out there |
| 20:13.41 | SerajewelKS | kieran, it's still in beta, of course |
| 20:13.58 | dondelelcaro | kieran: you generally don't want people to make their own DBs if there's any way to avoid that. |
| 20:14.08 | kieran | Ungy: Yeah, that's what I'm looking for. :) Something simple. |
| 20:14.25 | Ungy | kieran, best bet is to build it via the web pretty simple |
| 20:14.52 | kieran | dondelelcaro: Well yeah, but I don't want to do any more work than I need to. I could build something, but I only want to do that if something doesn't already exist :) |
| 20:15.22 | Ungy | kieran phpmyadmin web based access like interface for mysql |
| 20:15.23 | nkuttler | kieran: what is the purpose? teaching? or just let them use a db? |
| 20:15.26 | kieran | Ungy: I may go that route. |
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| 20:15.37 | Timsen | hoi! |
| 20:15.56 | Ungy | kieran seriously though be careful with permissions |
| 20:15.57 | ciaron | i'm trying to setup exim to auth using courier's authdaemon, but all it gives me are "relay not permitted" errors, any ideas? |
| 20:16.01 | SerajewelKS | kieran, openoffice.org calc =) |
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| 20:16.05 | kieran | nkuttler: For a small business to track basic inventory information. |
| 20:16.38 | Ungy | kieran why not look for a brick and mortor inventory system |
| 20:16.42 | kieran | Nothing fancy, but they'd like to be able to query it, etc. |
| 20:17.02 | FarrisG | Can you have dhcpd running for multiple segments/subnets using the same conf file? |
| 20:17.08 | SerajewelKS | kieran, mysql command-line slient =D |
| 20:17.18 | SerajewelKS | s/slient/client/ |
| 20:17.31 | kieran | Ungy: Well, they have some specific non-standard needs that might not fit a cookie-cutter solution. |
| 20:17.34 | Ungy | SerajewelKS, your cruel |
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| 20:17.55 | nkuttler | FarrisG: did you read man 5 dhcpd.conf? |
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| 20:18.01 | setuid | If I'm ssh'd into a Debian machine, how can I tell which version is running? |
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| 20:18.05 | Ungy | kieran, who doesn't that is why you grab an open source version and you modify it |
| 20:18.08 | SerajewelKS | Ungy, just making jokes |
| 20:18.12 | setuid | i.e. the Debian equivalent of 'rpm -qa | grep -i release' |
| 20:18.15 | nkuttler | kieran: you may want to have a look at rails as well |
| 20:18.35 | jelly | setuid: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:18.54 | setuid | Ok, says 'testing/unstable' |
| 20:18.55 | setuid | Thanks |
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| 20:19.07 | kieran | Ungy: Yeah, I'm just trying to get away without doing anything. Since I'm not getting paid, and I have no time. :) |
| 20:19.12 | setuid | er, wait... so what version is it? 3.0? 3.1? |
| 20:19.28 | nkuttler | setuid: none of them |
| 20:19.32 | mwilson | fsck |
| 20:19.34 | Ungy | kieran and they are using linux machines or windows? |
| 20:19.34 | jelly | setuid: it's more than 3.1. It's testing or unstable. ;-) |
| 20:19.36 | nkuttler | setuid: it's testing or unstable |
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| 20:19.40 | kieran | nkuttler: I watched that rails demo on the website - pretty cool. I've not had a chance to play with it. Maybe now would be the time. Hmm ... |
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| 20:19.46 | Anthro | Can someone explain the 2.6 way to have an encrypted loopback? |
| 20:19.49 | mwilson | package isn't in incoming any more, and it's not in any mirror I've looked at yet. |
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| 20:19.54 | setuid | Anthro: dm-crypt |
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| 20:20.09 | kieran | Ungy: Both. Though it only has to run on one or the other. |
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| 20:20.19 | fantik | if a CDBI update executed successfully, but no rows were updated, how do I check $sth->execute for it? |
| 20:20.20 | woodland | hi, i have broadcom wireless card. they dont have linux driver, what do i do |
| 20:20.25 | kieran | kieran: Especially if its web based. |
| 20:20.29 | Ungy | kieran and what office software tehy using? |
| 20:20.43 | alex__ | is there a command to return the number of item inside a directory ? such as 4 files/directories |
| 20:20.56 | nkuttler | woodland: try /msg dpkg broadcom, buy a supported card |
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| 20:20.59 | maher | alex__: ls -l | grep wc -l |
| 20:21.02 | mwilson | alex__: You don't just count them because...? |
| 20:21.08 | maher | alex__: ls -l | wc -l |
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| 20:21.10 | kieran | Ungy: I know they have MS Office, but not sure if they're using anything else either. (Don't know a huge amount about their setup, I'm just doing this as a favour). |
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| 20:21.18 | alex__ | maher: thanks |
| 20:21.29 | alex__ | mwilson: yes just count them |
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| 20:21.44 | Anthro | Okay, can someone explain the dm-cryptway to have an encrypted loopback? I mean, cryptoloop is invoked with losetup -e, so how does one use dm-crypt? |
| 20:21.44 | kieran | Ungy: Thinking should go with Access? I've never used it. I fear it. :) |
| 20:21.45 | Ungy | kieran, it's best if you find out what they have if your doign it for free and all they shoudl oblige you with the info now shouldn't they |
| 20:22.14 | mz_work | how to add a new cursor theme to update-alternatives? |
| 20:22.16 | kieran | Ungy: Well, I asked a few qusetions, and I'm waiting to hear back. In the meantime, I thought I'd look around. |
| 20:22.19 | maher | kieran: the new openoffice beta is meant to have an access type point and click front end for a variety of dbs |
| 20:22.25 | Ungy | kieran, do nto fear access in fact ti si one of the nicest things MS ever mad I love it in fact I recomend using access a s a front end for a mysql repository |
| 20:22.48 | jelly | mz_work: x-cursor-theme |
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| 20:23.03 | Ungy | damn I need an auto spell chekc for x-chat as you can all tell is there one? |
| 20:23.12 | thingfish | jelly, thanks for steering me to /etc/mailcap. |
| 20:23.13 | pureone | Ungy yes :) |
| 20:23.19 | mz_work | jelly: yes but how to get the new cursor theme added to x-cursor-theme? it is not a .deb |
| 20:23.23 | Anthro | Ungy: xchat will let you do text replacement for commonly misspelled words. |
| 20:23.28 | jelly | thingfish: you mean that actually worked? :-) |
| 20:23.32 | kieran | Access still comes standard with Office? I'm leaving against it just because I'd prefer an open/free solution. Personal preference. But I guess if it does the job ... |
| 20:23.40 | Ungy | Anthro I mispell everything |
| 20:23.50 | Anthro | Ungy: Well, that leaves you SOL. |
| 20:23.58 | thingfish | well, it looks like it should...need to log out I think, but can't right now 'cause I'm in the middle of some downloads. |
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| 20:24.24 | Ungy | Anthro I will just type into it ;-) |
| 20:25.09 | jelly | mz_work: umm. so you have a directory in place? "--set name path" from TFM looks nice |
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| 20:25.31 | Ungy | kieran here is the thing you use mysql as the database the front end doesn;t matter access is avaiable you can use it you could use base if it comes out and is stable |
| 20:25.36 | Timsen | does somebody use vsftpd with ssl under debian? |
| 20:25.54 | kieran | Ungy: Good point. |
| 20:26.20 | jelly | mz_work: I guess update-alternatives --set x-cursor-theme /usr/share/themes/your-theme/cursor.theme |
| 20:27.05 | kieran | Well, that gives me some stuff to think about. I'm going to go google some more info. Thanks guys. :) |
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| 20:28.12 | mz_work | jelly: yeah tried that....the pah is good, even created a cursor.theme / error: update-alternatives: Cannot find alternative `/usr/share/themes/PolarCursors/cursor.theme |
| 20:28.19 | mz_work | s/pah/path |
| 20:28.29 | Feyr-Wrk | ok either something is seriously broken with xargs, or im crazy. someone tell me which? when doing "echo asd dsa | xargs -iXX -n1 echo XX" it SHOULD replace XX no? |
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| 20:28.58 | jelly | Feyr-Wrk: works with one "X" here. |
| 20:29.12 | Feyr-Wrk | doesnt work me |
| 20:29.22 | Feyr-Wrk | that's on sarge |
| 20:29.24 | jelly | echo a b c | xargs -iX -n1 echo X is what I usually do |
| 20:29.36 | Feyr-Wrk | X a |
| 20:29.36 | Feyr-Wrk | X b |
| 20:29.36 | Feyr-Wrk | X c |
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| 20:30.13 | rr72 | how do i change my system default charset? |
| 20:30.34 | Ungy | Anthro how many words can this replace thing take |
| 20:30.36 | Feyr-Wrk | what's your version of findutils? |
| 20:30.54 | Anthro | Ungy: Unlimited, though I expect it will get slow if you add too many. |
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| 20:31.03 | jelly | Feyr-Wrk: 4.2.24-1 (unstable) |
| 20:31.13 | jelly | echo 1 2 3 | xargs -iX -n1 echo X |
| 20:31.16 | jelly | 1 2 3 |
| 20:31.17 | jelly | strange |
| 20:31.17 | Ungy | Anthro I think I have already lagged it |
| 20:31.35 | Anthro | Ungy: Heh. But look at how much better you can communicate! |
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| 20:31.53 | Ungy | Anthro, bah spelling is for the birds |
| 20:31.54 | Manolit0 | Hi |
| 20:31.57 | jelly | Feyr-Wrk: I expected separate rows for each number. Somthing's fishy. |
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| 20:32.35 | jcuk | hey, Listen i setup my machine for dualboot win xp and debian. everything went well untill i tried to boot winxp, it displayed a file was missing... |
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| 20:33.00 | jcuk | i checked and the file was present in the system32 folder, so then i made sure that grub was setup properly to boot from the right partition. it was.. |
| 20:33.09 | greycat | jelly: on Sarge, I get X 1 on the first row, X 2 on the second, etc. |
| 20:33.21 | jcuk | so i tried some sort of recovery and ended up loosing the MBR to windows, dont know how to boot back into debian now.. |
| 20:33.27 | rr72 | !tell rr72 about charset |
| 20:33.48 | jelly | TFM says for -i : Also, unquoted blanks do not terminate input items; instead the separator is the newline character. |
| 20:33.50 | Ungy | jcuk hmm probably with a boot disk |
| 20:33.56 | rr72 | !tell rr72 about UTF-8 |
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| 20:34.10 | jcuk | well i was clever enough not to create a floppy boot disk.. |
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| 20:34.34 | Feyr-Wrk | great, sarge ignores -i, and sid ignores -n |
| 20:34.36 | jcuk | prolly cos i aint got any empty floppys lying around. but is there any other way i can boot in using my install disk? |
| 20:35.08 | rr72 | rescure cd? |
| 20:35.14 | rr72 | *rescue |
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| 20:35.40 | jelly | Feyr-Wrk: Ehh... the last time I used that was on a Solaris machine. |
| 20:35.47 | jcuk | bleh, isnt there anything i can type in at the boot: command line when i boot the install disk to boot to my root partition in hda |
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| 20:36.20 | Feyr-Wrk | well i use xargs all the time, but -i only once in a while |
| 20:36.25 | jelly | Feyr-Wrk: echo stuff other-stuff | sed 's/[ <TAB>]+/\n/' | xargs -iX ... ? |
| 20:36.31 | foo | Anyone know of a good debian howto on building a kernel in debian sarge? |
| 20:36.40 | orchid | jcuk: what cd do you have? |
| 20:37.04 | Blissex | foo: yes. |
| 20:37.08 | PeterB | foo: /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:37.16 | foo | Thanks |
| 20:37.21 | Feyr-Wrk | no actually i need the replace-str so i can put some arguments after the replacement |
| 20:37.32 | jcuk | orchid: sarge net install disk. |
| 20:37.46 | foo | PeterB: I need the source, need to patch orinoco drivers to get my card working in kismet |
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| 20:38.38 | stew | can orinoco use linux-wlan-ng? |
| 20:38.41 | Feyr-Wrk | guess i'll do it some other way |
| 20:39.11 | jelly | Feyr-Wrk: darn, sed doesn't have +. echo "foo bar baz" | sed 's/[ \t][ \t]*/\n/g' | xargs -iX -n1 echo |
| 20:39.13 | orchid | jcuk: you can boot it as if your installing, exacute a shell, chroot to your hda and redo grub |
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| 20:39.41 | jcuk | how do i 'execute a shell' ? :) |
| 20:39.45 | Feyr-Wrk | na, no luck |
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| 20:40.03 | yoo | Hi |
| 20:40.04 | peterS | jcuk: the electric chair is the usual method |
| 20:40.05 | orchid | jcuk: just dont do go to far into the fake install, ie partitioning is TOO far :) |
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| 20:40.09 | Feyr-Wrk | i'll just do it in an ugly loop :) |
| 20:40.14 | yoo | i can't mounte my nfs partition |
| 20:40.32 | yoo | mount: RPC: program doesn't register |
| 20:40.33 | jelly | Feyr-Wrk: works for me. ;-) Or you could for i in `cat stuff`; do do_each "$i"; done |
| 20:40.35 | jcuk | well, how do i boot into a shell? |
| 20:40.41 | yoo | What's the problem ? |
| 20:40.46 | dondelelcaro | jcuk: set init=/bin/sh; |
| 20:40.50 | Feyr-Wrk | that's what i do |
| 20:40.59 | jcuk | thank you |
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| 20:42.09 | jelly | Feyr-Wrk: hm. it really doesn't work in sarge. Go figure. |
| 20:42.28 | Feyr-Wrk | findutils' maintainer needs a beating :) |
| 20:42.45 | meri_ | dampf - |
| 20:43.14 | Shadowbird | I have a problem with routing - the IP and gateway settings work fine under Windows, but in Debian I get the response "Network unreachable" |
| 20:43.19 | Shadowbird | What could be the problem? |
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| 20:44.21 | jelly | Feyr-Wrk: thankfully I don't think any scripts that do real work use that construct here, just one-off stuff. And that anti-spam thingy which runs on Solaris anyway. ;-) |
| 20:44.30 | nagual | Shadowbird: windows. |
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| 20:45.03 | Shadowbird | nagual: Haven't heard about Windows bothering Linux network before.. |
| 20:45.35 | Shadowbird | That is, I don't think that uninstalling WIndows will solve the problem |
| 20:45.44 | scarynetworkguy | *sigh* |
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| 20:46.00 | mirak | hi |
| 20:46.22 | mirak | what is the name of the frame buffer for nvidia cards ? |
| 20:46.27 | FarrisG | Anyone know why my NIC will work if I allow it to get its IP from DHCP, but not if I specify it's interface parameters? |
| 20:46.40 | liran__ | thanks to stormerx101 from #postfix, the next link is (i think) a must on anyone's bookmark list http://www.projektfarm.com/en/support/debian_setup/ |
| 20:46.51 | scarynetworkguy | Shadowbird: Do a route print and ipconfig /all under windows and a netstat -rn and ifconfig under Debian and put the output in a paster or something. |
| 20:46.53 | jelly | FarrisG: bad parameters? ;-) |
| 20:47.04 | liran__ | it's a total setup for an isp/web hosting system server from scratch (installation) |
| 20:47.10 | liran__ | just wanted to share it with you guys :p |
| 20:47.22 | btwotch | tomorrow's the 23. |
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| 20:47.48 | Shadowbird | scarynetworkguy: sorry about being a n00b, but what is a paster? |
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| 20:48.25 | linoleum | hello guys. I have just updated from sarge to sid, and it seams that it's well broked for the gnome desktop :) |
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| 20:48.50 | linoleum | I got all the apps for KDE running in gnome .. |
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| 20:48.57 | nightmaster | hello |
| 20:49.09 | PerfDave | linoleum: Welcome to Sid |
| 20:49.32 | linoleum | PerfDave, yes, but usualy it's not like that.. it's because there is Sarge now they break everything ^ |
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| 20:49.47 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.49 | mith | linoleum: sid breaks all the time, nothing new, if you can't fix it don't run it. |
| 20:49.54 | PerfDave | linoleum: No, usually it is like that, it's just that it was quiet for a while before the Sarge release. |
| 20:49.55 | scarynetworkguy | !paster |
| 20:49.55 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 20:49.55 | jcuk | Okay, well i had no joy because it told me it couldent chroot to such and such |
| 20:50.02 | linoleum | I hope it will be fixed soon... for the moment : fluxbox 4tw |
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| 20:50.07 | jcuk | i executed the shell, dont know what to do next |
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| 20:51.07 | jelly | btwotch: what about the 23rd? |
| 20:51.14 | giojotoca | HELLO |
| 20:51.15 | jcuk | is there no way i can create a recovery cd? |
| 20:51.19 | stizoner | for a single p4 with hyperthreading i should use an smp kernel right? |
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| 20:51.28 | jelly | btwotch: (you wanted someone to ask that, didn't ya) |
| 20:51.33 | Blissex | stizoner: dont bother. |
| 20:52.11 | stizoner | well i allready did, i just wanted to double check |
| 20:52.13 | stizoner | lol |
| 20:53.00 | stizoner | this is blazing fast compaired to ubuntu |
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| 20:53.56 | PerfDave | stizoner: You can use an SMP kernel, but note that it exposes you to a security vulnerability if you do so. |
| 20:54.04 | Blissex | stizoner: it should be exactly the same, except that Ubuntu defaults to GNOME, which has some performance issues... |
| 20:54.14 | jelly | PerfDave: what security vuln? |
| 20:54.16 | orchid | jcuk: why did chroot fail? |
| 20:54.28 | nightmaster | cause it doesnt like u or ur machinge |
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| 20:54.53 | Sputn1k | configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check What package i need? |
| 20:54.53 | PerfDave | jelly: IIRC there's a vulnerability where one process executing on the CPU can manipulate the registers of another process on the same CPU, or something. Can't remember the details because I don't use HT :) |
| 20:55.04 | jelly | PerfDave: the HyperThreading i-can-deduce-your-cache thingy? |
| 20:55.16 | stizoner | its not exactly the same ive tried ubuntu/kubuntu both, and both with default kernel and i686, regular debian is WAY faster, something they do screws it up |
| 20:55.27 | agruman | heya, i read that to remove all kde3 apps and libs i should use "apt-get --purge remove kdelibs4 libarts1" but apt wont remove anything since i complains that a lot of apps depend on these which is why i want to remove them (and all that depends) however i cant find anyting on how to do this in the apt man page. :( |
| 20:55.41 | jelly | PerfDave: any keywords apart from HT? |
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| 20:56.02 | humbolto | what does the UUU UU_ stuff mean in /dev/mdstat? |
| 20:56.11 | PerfDave | jelly: Not that I can remember. |
| 20:56.18 | valdyn_ | !b-e Sputn1k |
| 20:56.19 | dpkg | Sputn1k: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 20:56.25 | Shadowbird | scarynetworkguy: I can only paste windows settings right now, I'll have to reboot in Debian and use a floppy or smth to get those |
| 20:56.35 | Shadowbird | Should I paste anyway? |
| 20:56.35 | PerfDave | stizoner: What are you trying to compile? |
| 20:56.43 | PerfDave | Whoops |
| 20:56.48 | PerfDave | Sputn1k: What are you trying to compile? |
| 20:56.52 | jcuk | How do i use the Debian Install Disk to boot into my Debian system as windows has overwritten my MBR? |
| 20:56.56 | Sputn1k | gdesklets |
| 20:57.03 | valdyn_ | agruman: uh? apt-get removes whatever depends on those. |
| 20:57.19 | valdyn_ | agruman: which is the whole point of 'removing kde' |
| 20:57.45 | mwilson | humbolto: There is no /dev/mdstat |
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| 20:59.24 | mind | bye |
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| 20:59.29 | meri_ | tja schon wieder nen girly begeiten - ich hasse das langsam!!!! |
| 20:59.50 | bucky | !de |
| 20:59.50 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 20:59.53 | meri_ | WHY SHE??? |
| 21:00.06 | meri_ | ach be quiet - |
| 21:00.08 | green_earz | jcuk: the debian testing netinstall as now a recue mode in it. if it works that an other thing > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ |
| 21:00.16 | orchid | jcuk: hold on,theres a howto for that |
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| 21:00.43 | woodland | hi |
| 21:00.49 | bucky | ih |
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| 21:01.28 | orchid | jcuk: http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianInstallerFAQ was the link but it appears to be down :-\ |
| 21:01.36 | woodland | do i need to upgrade my kernel |
| 21:02.03 | agruman | valdyn_ well it says "Unmet dependencies" when i try to remove those 2 |
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| 21:02.35 | incorrect | is there a black box ftp server |
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| 21:02.45 | bucky | jcuk, i made a grub floppy and booted up and gave it a mile long command to reinstall to the mbr with certain options |
| 21:02.46 | incorrect | ie no system accounts |
| 21:03.06 | maj | 1 semi-newbie question where are dns servers listed ?? |
| 21:03.14 | woodland | my current kernel is 2.4.27, do i need to upgrade this |
| 21:03.22 | stew | maj: man resolv.conf |
| 21:03.32 | bucky | maj, at your isp's website |
| 21:03.36 | stew | woodland: not necessarily |
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| 21:03.51 | maj | thought so it in /etc righ ?? |
| 21:04.04 | orchid | maj: yes |
| 21:04.04 | nightmaster | anyone hello? |
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| 21:04.13 | stew | incorrect: /msg dpkg l33t ftp ; vsftpd proftpd both can (and probably others) |
| 21:04.20 | bucky | !anyone |
| 21:04.20 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 21:04.22 | valdyn_ | agruman: you have a slightyl screwed system or found a bug in apt-get: try 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' before removal of kde or try a different tool, like aptitude |
| 21:04.23 | woodland | stew, the ndiswrapper packages have 2.6 in them, so does it mean it wont work on my system |
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| 21:05.01 | stew | woodland: yes, afaik you need 2.6 for ndiswrapper |
| 21:05.03 | agruman | valdyn_ ok, then i atleast know that i used the right cmd :P |
| 21:05.06 | maj | ok found it thanx |
| 21:05.11 | agruman | valdyn_ thanks for the info |
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| 21:05.12 | valdyn_ | agruman: maybe its telling your to run 'apt-get -f install', then you should do just that. |
| 21:05.20 | bufalo73 | hello |
| 21:05.21 | woodland | stew, so i need to upgrade my kernel |
| 21:05.26 | bufalo73 | a question (or a poll) |
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| 21:05.32 | bufalo73 | does anyone uses jabber? |
| 21:05.44 | valdyn_ | !polls |
| 21:05.44 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 21:05.45 | PerfDave | Many, many people use Jabber. |
| 21:06.06 | stew | woodland: yes which cpu do you have |
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| 21:06.15 | green_earz | woodland: aptitude search kernel-image |
| 21:06.28 | woodland | stew, i have compaq presario R 3000 lptop |
| 21:06.45 | bufalo73 | then why I can't find any jabber chat that has people? |
| 21:07.07 | stew | woodland: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 ; then reboot and follow the instructions in /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 21:07.22 | woodland | ok |
| 21:07.54 | PerfDave | bufalo73: You're not looking hard enough? :) |
| 21:08.01 | PerfDave | bufalo73: Many Jabber servers will have user directories. |
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| 21:08.39 | woodland | stew , |
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| 21:09.07 | bufalo73 | PerfDave, every chat I see has people... hours before I come in and almost everyone sais "hi" and leaves the channel |
| 21:09.20 | bufalo73 | maybe I have very bad luck... |
| 21:09.45 | PerfDave | bufalo73: I suppose that you do. To be fair, I think most people who use Jabber also use IRC, which is still more widely used for group chats. |
| 21:09.50 | woodland | hi stew |
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| 21:10.29 | bitshifty | hello! |
| 21:10.30 | bufalo73 | personally I prefer a jabber chat |
| 21:10.42 | PerfDave | bufalo73: Any particular reason? |
| 21:10.46 | bufalo73 | at least you see the last lines before you go in :) |
| 21:10.59 | bitshifty | is anyone here having trouble with centericq? i've heard that people can't connect, and i can't either! |
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| 21:11.23 | woodland | when i do 'apt-get search kernel-image' get many packages, which one should i install |
| 21:11.24 | stew | bitshifty: check the bts |
| 21:11.37 | bitshifty | stew: what is the "bts"? |
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| 21:11.42 | stew | 17:06 < stew> woodland: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
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| 21:11.57 | stew | bitshifty: /msg dpkg bts (as it says in the topic) |
| 21:11.58 | palmero | anyone here know something about shfs? |
| 21:12.06 | stew | !shfs |
| 21:12.07 | dpkg | methinks shfs is http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 21:12.27 | PerfDave | bufalo73: Ah, you're one of these weirdos who actually leaves IRC channels? ;) |
| 21:12.55 | bufalo73 | XD |
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| 21:14.39 | woodland | stew, can u please explain ndiswrappper one liner |
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| 21:14.58 | woodland | what packages exactly i need to install |
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| 21:15.09 | stew | woodland: you are on sarge? |
| 21:15.14 | woodland | yes |
| 21:15.55 | stew | woodland: in that case, forget the ndiswrapper one-liner, and just install ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 21:16.10 | woodland | ok, is that it? |
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| 21:16.41 | stew | woodland: (and you ahve to install kenrel-image-2.6-686) |
| 21:16.43 | stew | but yeah |
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| 21:17.21 | woodland | stew, and i reboot after installing kernel image , right ? |
| 21:17.51 | stew | woodland: you can install the kenrel image and the ndiswrapper-modules at the same time. you use grub, or lilo? |
| 21:17.58 | Anthro | Is there any advantage to using RAID10 over LVM on top of n RAID1 pairs? |
| 21:17.59 | woodland | grub |
| 21:18.09 | stew | woodland: then thats it, install the two and reboot |
| 21:18.11 | stew | uhh |
| 21:18.18 | stew | woodland: also module-init-tools |
| 21:18.29 | woodland | thanx |
| 21:18.30 | stew | (or does that get pulled in automatically by kernel-image?) |
| 21:18.33 | stew | probably does |
| 21:18.41 | woodland | i dnt know |
| 21:18.44 | Fanno | hi all i just installed debian without X ment to run as server. it is set to find ip automaticly. and i want to change it to use a ie 192.168.0.103 for the server |
| 21:19.02 | stew | it does |
| 21:19.30 | stew | Fanno: man interfaces |
| 21:19.32 | PerfDave | Fanno: Edit /etc/network/interfaces - "man interfaces" |
| 21:19.33 | Fanno | is it correct that the parameters are /etc/network/inerfaces and i can use ifconfig to set it up ? |
| 21:19.33 | bucky | Fanno, a static ip address? |
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| 21:19.42 | Fanno | yes static |
| 21:19.48 | stew | Fanno: just interfaces, not ifconfig |
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| 21:19.53 | Fanno | ok |
| 21:20.04 | woodland | stew, tried to install kenrel-image-2.6-686, it says couldnt find |
| 21:20.05 | Fanno | thanks =) atleast now i know what to look for on google =P |
| 21:20.17 | PerfDave | Fanno: You want /etc/network/interfaces and the commands "ifup" and "ifdown" |
| 21:20.19 | stew | woodland: try kernel-image-2.6-686 |
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| 21:20.25 | bucky | Fanno, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-high-static |
| 21:20.26 | PerfDave | Fanno: No need to look at google, just read "man interfaces" |
| 21:20.28 | hns | what modules to load for jostick Sidewinder Pro, gameport, joydev and sidewinder already loaded |
| 21:20.31 | green_earz | Fanno: or you can use etherconf to setup your ether config |
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| 21:21.22 | kanaldrache | Moin! |
| 21:21.47 | bucky | Fanno, and make sure you assign it an address that's not reserved by your dhcp server or router |
| 21:21.49 | kanaldrache | If i has set showmode in my exrc new nvi sessions does not use showmode |
| 21:22.03 | kanaldrache | neverless i can turn it on with set showmode in a running session? |
| 21:22.09 | kanaldrache | Anybody a idea why? |
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| 21:23.37 | stew | hmm it would be nice if there was a way to tell apt-get to only install the doc directory of a package. i have found that i'd like to read the README.Debian without installing the pacakge |
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| 21:24.26 | PerfDave | stew: In large packages, there's often a seperate -doc package. |
| 21:24.27 | bucky | stew, you can extract it with dpkg if you have it downloads |
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| 21:24.47 | kanaldrache | Is that problem reproducable with other nvi? |
| 21:24.50 | stew | bucky: yeah i know. i'd just like an easier way |
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| 21:25.44 | Evil_Devil | hi |
| 21:25.45 | Evil_Devil | do you know how i can limit the parallel connections on debian? |
| 21:25.53 | NLoRD | hello! |
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| 21:27.13 | Nexus | Ok. Is it possible to make it so that an ssh user can't see other user's home directories without putting them in an ssh chroot jail? |
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| 21:27.27 | mwilson | Ah, cool, mirror pulse done |
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| 21:27.59 | mwilson | Nexus: If you don't want them to be able to enter a directory, why aren't the permissions set appropriately to prevent it? |
| 21:28.11 | Nexus | It's not entering, it's seeing at all. |
| 21:28.34 | PerfDave | Mmm, security through obscurity. |
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| 21:28.48 | mwilson | Why in the world do you care if they can see them or not? |
| 21:29.03 | stew | Nexus: the answer is no |
| 21:29.03 | oldsparky | 'notte |
| 21:29.09 | nictuku | hmm wiki.debian.net is down |
| 21:29.11 | j0xter | what's the easiest way to get the latest debian kernel .config? should I download kernel-headers or linux-source? |
| 21:29.26 | valdyn_ | Nexus: they can just 'cat /etc/passwd' |
| 21:29.28 | mwilson | j0xter: What would either one do you? |
| 21:29.34 | Nexus | I know how to keep them from entering, but s my client wants to keep them from seeing it at all. |
| 21:29.39 | Nexus | Paranoid's... |
| 21:29.54 | stew | Nexus: get each user their own server |
| 21:29.58 | Nexus | But it makes sense cause they don't want customers to see if their competitor is using their server. |
| 21:30.02 | mwilson | Nexus: There are so many other ways to find out where their home dirs are that it's not at all practical. |
| 21:30.04 | Nexus | Or just chroot... |
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| 21:30.34 | green_earz | Nexus: dpkg-recofigure adduser set to not world raedable |
| 21:30.35 | Evil_Devil | hi |
| 21:30.36 | Evil_Devil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.44 | stew | Nexus: at that point you might as well set up virtual machines |
| 21:30.48 | SerajewelKS | Evil_Devil, unplug the cable? |
| 21:30.50 | stew | green_earz: you aren't following |
| 21:30.51 | j0xter | mwilson: don't know :P I'd just like the latest .config unless debian kernels are unmodified? |
| 21:30.55 | green_earz | ok |
| 21:31.45 | mwilson | j0xter: Define "unmodified". |
| 21:32.11 | mwilson | j0xter: If you want the configuration that went into building a particular image package, download that image package. |
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| 21:32.30 | j0xter | mwilson: as in downloaded from kernel.org, then .deb-ified without changing the default configuration |
| 21:32.43 | mwilson | j0xter: What use would that be? |
| 21:32.49 | stew | j0xter: get a kenrel-headers package and extract the .config |
| 21:33.04 | j0xter | ok thanks. All I wanted to know :) |
| 21:33.08 | mwilson | kernel-image, not kernel-headers |
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| 21:33.19 | j0xter | ok again :) |
| 21:33.21 | asd | anyone used the kernel on the ndiswrapper website? |
| 21:33.23 | PerfDave | j0xter: Debian kernel packages have their own patches and default configuration |
| 21:33.24 | mwilson | Or linux-kernel, or whatever stupidity they're using to name it now. |
| 21:33.29 | asd | and got it working with an nvidia card? |
| 21:33.31 | stew | mwilson: kenrel-headers contains .config |
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| 21:34.09 | mwilson | stew: Are you sure? That'd be pretty silly, wouldn't it? Don't kernel-headers package(s) correspond to multiple kernel-image package(s)? |
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| 21:34.24 | chealer | mwilson: not linux-kernel-headers |
| 21:34.30 | stew | mwilson: i'm sure |
| 21:34.48 | stew | mwilson: no, kernel-headers package correspont to one kernel-image packag |
| 21:35.32 | Fanno | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-high-static would be what i manualy type in to the interfaces file ? |
| 21:35.40 | mwilson | I understand that they may be getting better, though, now that the throw-darts-to-choose-patches method is no longer in use. |
| 21:36.58 | SerajewelKS | Evil_Devil, keep it in the channel |
| 21:37.13 | SerajewelKS | Evil_Devil, what do you mean by "parallel connections" |
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| 21:38.10 | aalex | Q: Do you guys know and use and love an editor similar to nedit, but with a nicer GUI ? |
| 21:38.11 | Edwin_Quijada | somebody has installed ntop |
| 21:38.12 | Edwin_Quijada | ? |
| 21:38.17 | asd | vim |
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| 21:38.28 | mwilson | Define "nicer GUI". |
| 21:38.29 | Evil_Devil | exmple 50 conections at the same time (parallel) i want to limit it to 20 |
| 21:38.30 | Edwin_Quijada | I have installed ntop but when I run I get this error |
| 21:38.32 | asd | anyone used kernel on ndiswrapper website with an nv card pretty please |
| 21:38.44 | Ungy | Evil_Devil, connecting to the server via what? |
| 21:38.46 | aalex | mwilson, well, I find the grey window ugly in nedit |
| 21:38.49 | mwilson | stew: Good to know, thank you. |
| 21:38.57 | mwilson | aalex: And you don't change it because...? |
| 21:38.59 | Edwin_Quijada | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.59 | Evil_Devil | HTTP |
| 21:39.06 | aalex | mwilson, how can I ? |
| 21:39.10 | Edwin_Quijada | I am a newbie using this :) |
| 21:39.16 | Ungy | Evil_Devil, what http server? |
| 21:39.27 | cmatheson | i'm trying to build the modules in the qla2x00-modules package... i want to use make-kpkg, which i understand makes me have a top-level kernel source directory (even for installing modules)... i'm just running a vanilla debian 2.4 kernel right now... should i just apt-get install the source for the 2.4 kernel i'm using or how does that work? |
| 21:39.28 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: what version fo debian? |
| 21:39.37 | aalex | but I find that nedit is a very nice editor. I just wish it was as beautiful as gedit |
| 21:39.40 | Evil_Devil | apache but cant i use iptables some how? |
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| 21:40.17 | Edwin_Quijada | I think that is 3.1 |
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| 21:40.23 | Edwin_Quijada | I downloaed |
| 21:40.29 | Edwin_Quijada | from the site |
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| 21:40.38 | foo | laptop:~# ifconfig eth1 up |
| 21:40.38 | foo | eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 21:40.39 | Ungy | Evil_Devil, I dunno I woudl use /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 21:40.41 | foo | Any ideas on that problem? |
| 21:40.48 | JeffP | I am doing a fresh install of sarge on a Soyo KT600 (Dragon PE) with SIL3112 SATA with 1 WD HD attached, it stalls on mod_scsi loading... Are there directives that will assist in recognizing the scsi sata? |
| 21:41.00 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: what does version does "dpkg -l ntop " report? |
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| 21:41.09 | aalex | mwilson, do you know how I can change the window appearance ? the rest of my apps are quite nicer |
| 21:41.10 | Evil_Devil | an if i want to limit the connections for the SSh? |
| 21:41.15 | stew | foo: it means you don't have a driver loaded for eth1 |
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| 21:41.32 | foo | stew: I just did modprobe orinoco and tried again, same problem. I have orinoco gold card |
| 21:41.34 | stew | JeffP: are you trying a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:41.35 | asd | JeffP i found i had to use the 26 kernel for sata |
| 21:41.40 | PerfDave | Evil_Devil: There's an article on http://www.debian-administration.org/ about rate-limiting connections to ports. |
| 21:41.41 | asd | it wouldnt find it with 24 |
| 21:41.59 | JeffP | Latest off debian.org... |
| 21:42.05 | stew | foo: any errors show up in the console or dmesg when you load the driver? |
| 21:42.20 | mwilson | aalex: nedit comes with documentation for a reason. |
| 21:42.27 | NLoRD | could you give me some repositories with the latest software (px gaim 1.5.0) for debian or ubuntu linux? |
| 21:42.29 | aalex | ok ok |
| 21:42.30 | foo | stew: nope, just see orinoco 0.13e (David Gibson <hermes@gibson.dropbear.id.au>, Pavel Roskin <proski@gnu.org>, et al) |
| 21:42.37 | Fanno | i manualy edit the interfaces now but there is a line over what i put "auto eth0" should i remove that line ? |
| 21:42.40 | stew | JeffP: if you don't know then you are using the 2.4 kernel and you should try the 2.6 kenrel, hit f3 at the boot prompt |
| 21:42.59 | asd | when it says boot type linux26 then enter |
| 21:43.02 | asd | instead of enter |
| 21:43.02 | stew | foo: what makes you think it is eth0 and not eth1? |
| 21:43.03 | mwilson | NLoRD: Gaim 1.5.0 is in unstable. |
| 21:43.12 | stew | foo: err eth1 and not eth0 |
| 21:43.20 | foo | stew: eth0 is wired connection, eth1 is wireless card .. I saw it when installing debian, it asks me what network resource to use |
| 21:43.25 | JeffP | Ok, Thanx! I will try thast... |
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| 21:43.39 | stew | foo: and the driver for eth0 is loaded? |
| 21:43.49 | foo | stew: Yes, eth0 is up and working .. we are working with eth1 |
| 21:43.49 | stew | foo: does iwconfig show any interfaces? |
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| 21:44.46 | stew | foo: are your sure that the firmware on your card compatible with your driver? |
| 21:45.00 | foo | stew: iwconfig shows lo, eth0, and sit0 |
| 21:45.05 | mwilson | hrm, to install later nvidia driver, or not to install later nvidia driver... |
| 21:45.10 | asd | if i get a linux compatable wifi card will it not need any effort to get it working |
| 21:45.27 | foo | stew: It works fine under the regular 2.4 kernel in debian sarge, but not in the one I just made. |
| 21:45.32 | asd | because finding a kernel that has a 16 k stack working with an nvidia card has taken too much time off my life already |
| 21:45.43 | PerfDave | asd: What's this 16k stack thing about? |
| 21:45.48 | stew | foo: and why did you compile your own kernel? |
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| 21:45.50 | TwistedEmotions | I am working on .xsession file and want to see if the changes worked out properly.. is there any way to get the whole series to run without freaking having to restart everytime? :P |
| 21:46.13 | asd | i have to use ndiswrapper to use a windows driver for my wireless card as the kernel does not support it on its own |
| 21:46.14 | mwilson | NLoRD: Did I ask you to /msg me, and I just don't remember it? |
| 21:46.17 | foo | stew: Need to patch orinoco drivers to get them working with kismet, but I didn't patch the drivers on this one |
| 21:46.19 | asd | debian has an 8 k stack |
| 21:46.24 | asd | the windows require 12 k |
| 21:46.29 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: To "restart" what? |
| 21:46.30 | NLoRD | sorry mwilson :( |
| 21:46.34 | valdyn_ | TwistedEmotions: via xnest or startx -- :1 |
| 21:46.37 | asd | so someone on the ndiswrapper made a 16 k stack |
| 21:46.38 | asd | kernel |
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| 21:46.58 | asd | but the source headers for the standard kernel wont build a graphics card driver for it |
| 21:46.59 | chealer | asd: which windows% |
| 21:47.01 | chealer | ? |
| 21:47.05 | asd | xp drivers |
| 21:47.10 | chealer | ok...Windows |
| 21:47.22 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: the gui |
| 21:47.23 | foo | stew: Any other ideas? Weird, eh? |
| 21:47.37 | TwistedEmotions | valdyn_: thanks ;) Works now. |
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| 21:48.02 | chealer | asd: did you already build a 16k stack kernel? |
| 21:48.13 | tony_ | hello |
| 21:49.17 | stew | foo: dunno. i'd try a debian compiled kernel to see if maybe it was a problem with the way you compiled the kernel |
| 21:49.23 | asd | chealer no |
| 21:49.32 | asd | someone on the ndiswrapper made one |
| 21:49.38 | foo | stew: It works fine in the 2.4 kernel that comes with sarge .. so it is something in my kernel, but what? |
| 21:49.51 | asd | website* |
| 21:49.53 | chealer | asd: so, you're using a non-debianized kernel on debian? |
| 21:49.59 | asd | its for debian |
| 21:50.11 | chealer | does it have headers available too? |
| 21:50.16 | stew | foo: the first thing i would blame is the patch then |
| 21:50.23 | Ungy | more importantly does it give head? |
| 21:50.29 | foo | stew: I didn't patch it ... |
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| 21:50.47 | asd | http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/DebianNoCompiles |
| 21:50.50 | stew | foo: so all you did is recompile a kernel that worked? |
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| 21:51.31 | asd | all i did was apt-get install thekernel |
| 21:51.41 | PerfDave | I think that asd's problem is that while Debian's kernel works with ndiswrapper, the particular XP drivers he's trying to use with ndiswrapper don't work with Debian-provided kernels and ndiswrapper due to some weird kernel configuration thing. |
| 21:51.43 | chealer | stew: about factoid "which version of debian", "apt-cache policy|awk '$1<2000{n=split($3,r,"/");if(n){print r[1];}}'|sort -u|tr "\n" ,;echo" returns me etch,sarge, but I'm running a sarge/etch mix. do you know how to order the releases using the default-release? |
| 21:51.59 | asd | my problem is the kernel doesnt build an nvidia driver |
| 21:52.02 | foo | stew: Yes, and I added pcmcia and yenta_socket as modules ... and that was all |
| 21:52.29 | emRick | Is there a way to get soundcard recording to stop once the end of the audiotape has been reached? I have been trying out ``sox'', ``gramofile'', ``arecord'', and ``ecasound'' but I haven't found a stop-when-done option yet. |
| 21:52.33 | PerfDave | asd: You can't build a nvidia kernel modules against a Debian-provided kernel-image? |
| 21:52.38 | stew | chealer: apt-cache policy ; man apt-prefereces to determine how to interpret the numbers |
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| 21:52.50 | stew | chealer: err man apt_preferences |
| 21:53.05 | tha_gamemaster | ok i upgraded my nvidia vidcard and changed nothing else and now X is all wacked out, i even did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:53.07 | tha_gamemaster | any ideas ? |
| 21:53.08 | stew | chealer: its the "990" / "500" / "100" number that are making the difference |
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| 21:53.53 | chealer | stew: ok...so currently the releases are order based on pin priority? |
| 21:53.57 | stew | yes |
| 21:53.58 | asd | could adding "1024x768" to the xfree config change things? |
| 21:53.59 | PerfDave | tha_gamemaster: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 21:54.11 | Jackel | hmm anyone tell me if it's possible to unzip/unrar .rar files? |
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| 21:54.18 | PerfDave | asd: You shouldn't hand-edit your X config file - /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 21:54.19 | chealer | stew: is it from least important or the most or the opposite? |
| 21:54.22 | tha_gamemaster | PerfDave: ubuntu actually but debian based, but without a gui it might as well be debian, i'm running the latest |
| 21:54.23 | asd | u cant build one>? |
| 21:54.26 | PerfDave | Jackel: It is, with unrar. |
| 21:54.26 | chealer | Jackel: yes |
| 21:54.30 | asd | how u supposed to get the card working then? |
| 21:54.30 | PerfDave | tha_gamemaster: #ubuntu |
| 21:54.37 | Jackel | i tryed unrar :P |
| 21:54.41 | Jackel | but ill give it another shot |
| 21:54.46 | tha_gamemaster | PerfDave: I'm in there, but debian guys have helped me before. |
| 21:55.05 | stew | chealer: higher numbers first in general, but you should read apt_preferences |
| 21:55.07 | sbk | Silly question. I just plugged in a USB floppy, and I see reports in dmesg, and lsusb that look like it is being recognized. What i can't figure out, is what device is it? :-) I basically want to mount the filesystem on the floppy |
| 21:55.07 | PerfDave | tha_gamemaster: That's nice, but #ubuntu is still the right place for your Ubuntu questions. |
| 21:55.11 | Jackel | unrar doesn't work :) |
| 21:55.12 | stew | chealer: or i'm misunderstanding you |
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| 21:55.21 | foo | stew: No more ideas? |
| 21:55.35 | nkuttler | !doesn't work |
| 21:55.35 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 21:55.38 | Ungy | tha_gamemaster if you might as well be running debian why not run it |
| 21:55.42 | TwistedEmotions | Ubuntu is l333t! Weeeee! |
| 21:55.44 | PerfDave | tha_gamemaster: Ubuntu may be Debian-based, but there are a lot of differences and there's no guarantee that any answer you get here will work, or not hose your system, so it's better not to waste people's time by asking here. |
| 21:55.46 | TwistedEmotions | !stab TwistedEmotions |
| 21:56.00 | Jackel | ~_~ |
| 21:56.00 | apt | hmm... _~ is sour face |
| 21:56.05 | stew | foo: yenta socket and pcmcia were already modules |
| 21:56.17 | foo | stew: No, they weren't. I had to select them. |
| 21:56.21 | tha_gamemaster | Ungy: Good question. Debian and I just don't get along. |
| 21:56.24 | Jackel | anymore ideas to unrar a .rar? :D |
| 21:56.25 | tha_gamemaster | PerfDave: Ok I won't waste your time. |
| 21:56.37 | Ungy | tha_gamemaster, then why coem to a #debian channel |
| 21:56.39 | nkuttler | Jackel: unrar |
| 21:56.46 | Jackel | i tryed that, doesn't seem to worjk |
| 21:56.49 | Jackel | work* |
| 21:56.49 | nkuttler | !tell Jackel about doesn't work |
| 21:56.52 | PerfDave | Jackel: Get the people providing the rar to use a sensible format? |
| 21:56.53 | tha_gamemaster | Ungy: because Debian users know linux. |
| 21:57.12 | Ungy | debian users know debian |
| 21:57.15 | yoo | Hi |
| 21:57.16 | Jackel | lol |
| 21:57.17 | TwistedEmotions | tha_gamemaster: next time dont tell people u use ubuntu... just ask your question... wait for answer and leave... now leave and go change name and come back. |
| 21:57.21 | Jackel | yea that would be alot better |
| 21:57.28 | Jackel | but unfortunatley |
| 21:57.32 | Jackel | all they provide is |
| 21:57.33 | Jackel | .rar |
| 21:57.38 | Ungy | if you want general linux help try #linux |
| 21:57.40 | TwistedEmotions | As soon as tha_gamemaster leaves lets ban him... hahahaha! |
| 21:57.44 | chealer | stew: ok. perhaps what you didn't understand is that I didn't try to parse how that one-liner worked yet, so man apt_preferences wouldn't help alone. is it normal that this command outputs the default release last considering that (I guess) it should have a higher pin priority? |
| 21:57.45 | tha_gamemaster | TwistedEmotions: they specifically asked what version of debian was using |
| 21:57.55 | nkuttler | Jackel: obviously you don't want help |
| 21:58.08 | TwistedEmotions | tha_gamemaster: tell them either stable testing or unstable ;) |
| 21:58.09 | yoo | i can't mount my nfs partition : mount: RPC:program doesn't register |
| 21:58.14 | yoo | What's this problem |
| 21:58.21 | tha_gamemaster | TwistedEmotions: too late ^_^ |
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| 21:58.33 | TwistedEmotions | tha_gamemaster: so leave and come back... |
| 21:58.39 | albo | is there a way to install debian on an already running redhat system |
| 21:58.40 | Ungy | what is so freaking hard abotu askign for help in #ubuntu? |
| 21:58.41 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: Will you shut the fuck up? |
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| 21:58.43 | stew | chealer: oh, yeah that nasty one liner in that factoid probably spits them out backwards |
| 21:58.46 | PerfDave | albo: debootstrap |
| 21:58.50 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: sorry. |
| 21:58.53 | tha_gamemaster | TwistedEmotions: na thanks I'll come back at a diff time with a diff crowd ^_^ |
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| 21:58.57 | cyberix | What was the command to choose default software for a purpose? |
| 21:59.01 | stew | foo: CONFIG_PCMCIA is definately compiled as a module in the debian kernels |
| 21:59.02 | albo | PerfDave: how hard is that |
| 21:59.10 | woodland | hi stew |
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| 21:59.17 | nkuttler | cyberix: update-alternatives? |
| 21:59.24 | PerfDave | albo: Not very. I've not used it from RedHat mind, only from Debian. Should be identical though. |
| 21:59.32 | Jackel | <nkuttler> Jackel: obviously you don't want help |
| 21:59.35 | Jackel | how so? |
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| 21:59.47 | stew | !hi woodland |
| 21:59.48 | dpkg | Many greetings, woodland, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 21:59.48 | albo | PerfDave: since the computer is far away would i be able to ssh in and finish the config |
| 21:59.51 | chealer | stew: ok...is this because default-release doesn't work the same as setting pin priorities manually? |
| 21:59.51 | woodland | i rebooted as u said, but now my wired net is not working |
| 21:59.53 | nkuttler | Jackel: read what the bot told you |
| 21:59.55 | PerfDave | albo: You should be able to |
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| 22:00.16 | cyberix | nkuttler: Yep. Thanks |
| 22:00.32 | stew | woodland: what card? |
| 22:00.39 | woodland | realtek |
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| 22:01.03 | stew | chealer: hmm, hang on, lemme read the manpage |
| 22:01.16 | woodland | also while booting along with new kernel, i also see the old kernel, stew |
| 22:01.17 | PerfDave | Oh, I forgot, it's #debian, we don't have ops. |
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| 22:01.30 | stew | woodland: the module name might have changed to 8139cp ? |
| 22:01.38 | humbolto | I have a huge problem with my raid! |
| 22:01.49 | stew | or 8139too? i'm not sure which is which |
| 22:01.51 | woodland | so what do i do |
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| 22:02.43 | stew | woodland: modprobe 8139too ; if that gets your ethernet back, echo "8139too" >> /etc/modules ; to make that happen every boot |
| 22:03.12 | stew | chealer: yes, it appears the Default-Release overrides and package priorites |
| 22:03.13 | humbolto | Every time I am creating a raid5 with the following command, I end und with a raid showing only two to the devices active and the last one as spare: mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md6 --level=raid5 --raid-devices=3 /dev/sd[a-c]6 |
| 22:03.19 | stew | err pin priorities |
| 22:03.28 | woodland | 'modprobe 8139too' is that a command ? |
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| 22:03.44 | stew | yes |
| 22:03.48 | woodland | ok |
| 22:03.49 | stew | woodland: man modprobe |
| 22:03.57 | chealer | stew: ok...perhaps I'll try to improve it when I have time to man a bit then. thanks |
| 22:03.58 | humbolto | mdadm --examine /dev/sdc6 shows a line: 2 2 0 0 2 faulty |
| 22:04.01 | foo | stew: It wasn't checked as a built in or module when I was in menuconfig |
| 22:04.17 | humbolto | and a line: 3 3 8 38 3 spare /dev/sdc6 |
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| 22:04.35 | humbolto | I am about to loose my mind! |
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| 22:04.45 | woodland | stew, typing the command gives no response |
| 22:04.48 | asd | tell me about it |
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| 22:05.39 | bucky | which version of debian are you using woodland? |
| 22:05.45 | woodland | sarge |
| 22:05.55 | stew | woodland: that means you had no errors loading the modlue, your ethernet should work now, try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:06.05 | woodland | ok |
| 22:06.05 | stew | foo: then you weren't starting with a debian .cofnig |
| 22:06.12 | stew | err .config |
| 22:06.25 | TwistedEmotions | Where is the file that logs xorg errors durring login/startup? |
| 22:06.47 | bucky | /var/log ? |
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| 22:08.48 | woodland | stew, typing that command, DHCPDISCOVer is listening to port 67 |
| 22:09.00 | foo | stew: No, got it from kernel.org |
| 22:09.00 | woodland | but still no connection |
| 22:09.03 | humbolto | any raid specialists here? |
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| 22:09.38 | chealer | asd: what source do you need to get that kernel? |
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| 22:12.19 | phretor_ | hi there |
| 22:12.28 | woodland | stew r u there |
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| 22:13.13 | phretor_ | I've an X11 session started from a certain user. Could I remotely (my laptop) connect to that session? |
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| 22:13.58 | nkuttler | phretor_: to do what? |
| 22:14.31 | mveers | bye |
| 22:14.33 | Shadowcat | !vnc |
| 22:14.33 | dpkg | methinks vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about x-not-vnc |
| 22:14.45 | woodland | i am not able to connect to net on my debian sarge, i just upgraded to kernel 2.6 |
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| 22:15.03 | Shadowcat | woodland: reboot |
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| 22:15.08 | Shadowcat | (duh) |
| 22:15.26 | woodland | shadow, i already rebooted |
| 22:15.31 | phretor_ | Shadowcat: I already use vncserver but it starts a new X11 session when I try to connect to. |
| 22:15.31 | nkuttler | woodland: downgrade to 2.4 |
| 22:15.49 | woodland | nk, but what's the problm with 2.6 |
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| 22:16.06 | Shadowcat | I've never run sarge with 2.4 |
| 22:16.20 | stizoner | is there a gui tool to edit fstab to auto mount partitions on startup? |
| 22:16.33 | nkuttler | hm, i use 2.4 on sid... i must be insane |
| 22:16.38 | Shadowcat | stizoner: nano /etc/fstab |
| 22:16.45 | Shadowcat | nkuttler: no shit |
| 22:16.46 | woodland | i did '/etc/init.d/networking restart' but i didnt connect |
| 22:16.51 | mwilson | woodland: *how* did you upgrade to a 2.6 kernel, and what does "not able to connect to net" actually mean? |
| 22:16.53 | stew | woodland: you use dhcp normally? that looks like your driver is loaded but the card didn't get a response from the dhcp server |
| 22:17.09 | stizoner | so i take that as a no |
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| 22:17.23 | mwilson | stizoner: Why would there need to be? |
| 22:17.33 | Fanno | grrrr i cant figure it out with out having x installed, can i install x and just tell debian to not start x by default and it will not use the "memory for it ect" ? |
| 22:17.38 | woodland | wilson, i first installed 2.6, then rebooted |
| 22:17.51 | woodland | stew, what should i do ? |
| 22:17.52 | mwilson | woodland: That's not what I asked you, now is it? |
| 22:18.06 | nkuttler | Fanno: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 22:18.12 | stew | woodland: do you use dhcp normally? |
| 22:18.14 | phretor_ | Shadowcat: I mean, I want to connect to a specific X11 session but without a vnc server |
| 22:18.16 | stizoner | so i dont have to read an figure out how do edit it, ive done it now like 10 times and i stil have to go look it up, not everyone likes commands |
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| 22:18.18 | woodland | ya |
| 22:18.33 | Shadowcat | phretor_: apt-cache search vnc |
| 22:18.37 | Shadowcat | go read the package descriptions |
| 22:19.06 | mwilson | stizoner: So someone should write for you some narrow little utility just to edit a single file for a single purpose. |
| 22:19.07 | woodland | i also installed ndiswrapper as stew suggested |
| 22:19.13 | mwilson | stizoner: That's silly. |
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| 22:19.31 | oax | is there a way to "clear" sleections made in aptitude or apt-get ? I am having major troubles with KDE / apt-get in testing, and I read on a forum that apt-get --reinstall install kdelibs will fix them, but when I rty this, it wants to remove over a hundred packages |
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| 22:19.40 | mwilson | woodland: We'll try again... how did you install 2.6? |
| 22:19.48 | woodland | when i boot my laptop, i see two kernels, 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 22:19.52 | mwilson | oax: apt-get doesn't not have the concept of "selections". |
| 22:19.58 | stew | mwilson: he did apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:20.02 | stizoner | nevermind i just found one |
| 22:20.06 | phretor_ | Shadowcat: with*out* vnc |
| 22:20.09 | stizoner | Qt Mount |
| 22:20.13 | phretor_ | Shadowcat: directly to the X11 session |
| 22:20.16 | oax | and if I go through the selections in aptitude, I get circular depndencies when i try to put kdelibs4 and libarts1 on hold -- also a suggestion I erad |
| 22:20.31 | woodland | wilson, 'apt-get install kernel-image.2.6there was some number here' |
| 22:20.41 | nkuttler | oax: why don't you run stable? |
| 22:20.46 | mwilson | Why do people with no clue insist on using testing? |
| 22:20.49 | oax | mwilson ok, well it has a bunch of stuff scheduled to be installed and a bunch removed, and I can't seem ot make it forget all of them |
| 22:21.07 | oax | mwilson i didn't have a problem with it until this last month |
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| 22:21.13 | stew | woodland: if dhclient eth0 says "DHCPDISCOVER" then the driver should be loaded correctly, its just not getting a response from the dhcp server, don't know why that would be if cabling hasn't changed |
| 22:21.14 | mwilson | oax: It has nothing "scheduled" to be installed, and nothing "scheduled" to be removed. |
| 22:21.18 | cbr | why isnt there a linux-image for k8-amd64 on i386 yet? |
| 22:21.32 | PerfDave | cbr: "for k8-amd64 on i386"? |
| 22:21.35 | woodland | ok |
| 22:21.39 | mwilson | cbr: Other than that would be a nonsense kernel? |
| 22:21.52 | PerfDave | cbr: Because it wouldn't run on i386? :) |
| 22:21.55 | stizoner | yeah that would be backasswards |
| 22:21.57 | mwilson | stew: Wireless, right? Otherwise, why is he using ndiswrapper? |
| 22:22.00 | oax | mwilson i'm sorry i'm having a hard time communicating to you what I mean. when I start aptitude, before doing anything, there are packaged marked to be updated, installed, deleted, etc. many are marked broken |
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| 22:22.30 | mwilson | oax: Oh, *aptitude*. I'm not speaking about aptitude. Aptitude is crap, I have no use for it. |
| 22:22.36 | cbr | PerfDave: well amd64 can do 32bit.. and there is kernel-image-2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 on i386 |
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| 22:22.38 | maher | oax: testing/unstable are having a gcc transtition - why don't you just try again next week |
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| 22:22.47 | stew | mwilson: i have no idea why he wants to install ndiswrapper, but upon installing 2.6 his rt8139 stopped working for some reason |
| 22:22.49 | woodland | stew, also i see two kernels at the boot up 2.4 and 2.6 , i choose 2.6 |
| 22:22.51 | alistair | hey, fluxboxx is saying Connection to :0.0 refused by server |
| 22:22.53 | mwilson | oax: I interpreted what you were saying as insisting that apt-get had some sort of "schedule". |
| 22:23.05 | alistair | XLib: No protocol specified, CAn not connection to X Server |
| 22:23.08 | alistair | im in gnome at the moment |
| 22:23.23 | cbr | mwilson: and it wouldnt be nonsense, it would be a kernel optimized for amd64, to run in 32bit mode |
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| 22:23.55 | PerfDave | cbr: Uhm, the -amd64 kernels in Sarge are *not* 32-bit |
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| 22:24.35 | alistair | im in gnome at the moment |
| 22:24.35 | oax | mwilson i see. well it dos want to do an enourmour amount of crap when I try to apt-get --reinstall install kdelibs |
| 22:24.40 | alistair | any help? :/ |
| 22:24.40 | P-K | I install vim on one of my sarge boxes and it wont read the vimrc files when I start it up. |
| 22:24.43 | PerfDave | cbr: Maybe they've decided to hand them over to the amd64 subproject ;) |
| 22:24.44 | stizoner | 2.6 is fine dude, debian folks are just retro, like everything old |
| 22:24.45 | oax | does ... enormous |
| 22:24.52 | P-K | Has anyone see this before? |
| 22:25.00 | mwilson | oax: Well... yeah. What do you expect, when you force installation of a meta-package? |
| 22:25.05 | alistair | XLib: No protocol specified, CAn not connection to X Server. Fluxbox is saying that, im in gnome at the moment |
| 22:25.07 | cbr | PerfDave: oh.. so the best package kernel for a k8 is the -k7 kernel? |
| 22:25.36 | PerfDave | cbr: Why would you run a -k7 kernel on a k8? |
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| 22:25.49 | cbr | PerfDave: what would i run on a k8 then? |
| 22:26.00 | mwilson | PerfDave: Indeed, why would you buy an AMD64 at all, only to run it in 32-bit mode? |
| 22:26.01 | oax | mwilson yes that is what I was afraid of. it pulls in the new *c2 requirements which conflict with everything i have on here now. maybe my best bet is to force it to reinstall the old version? |
| 22:26.08 | bucky | cbr, might be a good idea to run debian-amd64 |
| 22:26.10 | P-K | how does it know to look for the /etc/vim/vimrc file in the first place? |
| 22:26.11 | PerfDave | cbr: a k8 kernel? |
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| 22:26.25 | cbr | PerfDave: but as you said the k8 kernels are compiled for 64bit |
| 22:26.29 | PerfDave | cbr: So? |
| 22:26.35 | PerfDave | cbr: That's a *good* thing |
| 22:26.57 | bucky | cbr, which cpu do you have? |
| 22:26.58 | Xenguy | stizoner: seems to be a lot of 'ageism' in the air these days; ironic since we are all getting older =) |
| 22:26.59 | cbr | PerfDave: what if i'd want to run the i386 debian on an amd64 |
| 22:27.11 | PerfDave | cbr: You can run i386 Debian on amd64 with a -k8 kernel |
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| 22:27.22 | stizoner | just tell the guy what kernel to get instead of going on for 30min |
| 22:27.23 | mwilson | cbr: Then you install it, and you run it. Why do you need to play games with specific kernels? |
| 22:27.25 | PerfDave | cbr: The kernels are optimised for k8, but they can still run 32-bit code, that's that amd64 does. |
| 22:27.25 | stizoner | lol |
| 22:27.28 | alistair | XLib: No protocol specified, CAn not connection to X Server. Fluxbox is saying that, im in gnome at the moment |
| 22:27.28 | bucky | cbr, run i386 programs in a chroot |
| 22:27.55 | cbr | PerfDave: but they arent under the i386 repos anymore!? |
| 22:28.14 | PerfDave | cbr: There are still k8 kernels in Debian's i386 repositories, you said. |
| 22:28.18 | mwilson | cbr: You wouldn't just run a normal i386 kernel because...? |
| 22:28.18 | PerfDave | cbr: I used to run 32-bit Sarge on my quad Opteron with a Sarge -k8-smp kernel-image, and run a few 64-bit apps in a chroot |
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| 22:28.39 | PerfDave | mwilson: It's pretty wasteful to run a 32-bit kernel on amd64 even if you're only running 32-bit code on that kernel |
| 22:28.56 | cbr | PerfDave: the last k8 kernels in i386 are 2.6.11, 2.6.12(linux-image) i cant find anymore |
| 22:28.57 | mwilson | A quad-Opteron? What were you doing on that, sequencing DNA? |
| 22:29.09 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: hahahah |
| 22:29.14 | stizoner | downloading porn |
| 22:29.16 | PerfDave | mwilson: Multivariate statistical analysis over multi-million tuple datasets, since you ask :) |
| 22:29.41 | PerfDave | mwilson: "big number crunching" ;) |
| 22:29.54 | stew | PerfDave: you made that up didn't you :P |
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| 22:30.12 | PerfDave | mwilson: Although to be fair, we had to wait a couple of months for the stats software to arrive, during which I mostly used it to run xeyes over ssh. |
| 22:30.19 | mwilson | heh. |
| 22:30.22 | stew | PerfDave: ( i know you probably didn't it just sounded like generic "techno bable" ) |
| 22:30.28 | PerfDave | stew: Nope, I used to work for a bunch of epidemiologists :) |
| 22:30.34 | maher | PerfDave: like 1 billion xeyes? |
| 22:30.41 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: stats sucks ;P Believe me I took the class. |
| 22:30.46 | PerfDave | maher: Just the one, I was making sure I had X forwarding working. |
| 22:30.50 | alistair | XLib: No protocol specified, CAn not connection to X Server. Fluxbox is saying that, im in gnome at the moment, any help? |
| 22:31.02 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: Oh, I didn't do the stats, we had people with PhDs for that. I just got the server up and running ;) |
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| 22:31.28 | maher | alistair: if you are running gnome how are you going to run fluxbox? do you have another xserver? |
| 22:31.39 | mwilson | alistair: If Gnome is already running, why are you surprised that fluxcrap will not launch? |
| 22:31.40 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: hahaha.. you got the better end of that deal. |
| 22:32.09 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: I dunno, it took me *ages* to get the fucking server working. Had to RTB it twice. AMD64 kit was very new at the time. |
| 22:32.41 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: Couldn't get the BIOS to recognise all 8Gb of RAM for over a month |
| 22:32.44 | alistair | i want to run flubox |
| 22:32.56 | mwilson | I thought you would at least be doing something fun with it, like bzflag or something. |
| 22:33.00 | alistair | shall i exit gnome and run flewbox from the cli? |
| 22:33.00 | mwilson | alistair: Then do so. |
| 22:33.01 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: At least you had a nice machine to work on ;) |
| 22:33.03 | finn__ | I want a lot of stuff to work, but it doesn't :( |
| 22:33.24 | PerfDave | mwilson: Nah, it lived in the server room, was *far* too noisy to work near for any length of time. |
| 22:33.33 | nkuttler | alistair: chose fluxbox from your dm menu |
| 22:33.36 | maher | alistair: stop gnome - start fluxbox - if you are running gdm it probably even has some button to click for you to do this |
| 22:33.50 | mwilson | Does fluxcrap drop a gdm session file? |
| 22:33.57 | cbr | PerfDave: Package linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8 --- 2.6.12-5: amd64 |
| 22:34.01 | cbr | PerfDave: it's only on amd64 |
| 22:34.01 | alistair | oh ok |
| 22:34.08 | maher | mwilson: alistair will find out for us... |
| 22:34.11 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: bahhh @ fluxcrap.. what do you use? |
| 22:34.16 | PerfDave | cbr: Perhaps you can ask the amd64 guys about that. |
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| 22:34.21 | leschmuu | Gibts hier nen deutschen Hilfe Chat? |
| 22:34.25 | PerfDave | !de |
| 22:34.25 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 22:34.29 | nkuttler | mwilson: it did in woody |
| 22:34.32 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: Use for what? |
| 22:34.41 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: do you use a gui? |
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| 22:34.47 | streuner | PerfDave: since when you speak german? |
| 22:34.48 | PerfDave | cbr: Anyway, you should be able to use the kernel-image from amd64 on i386, if you're running i386 Sarge on a k8. But double check with #debian-amd64 |
| 22:34.49 | albo | is there somewhere in proc i can see all physical drives even if there is a software raid |
| 22:35.02 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: err I mean a wm? |
| 22:35.27 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: On some of my boxen, I use a GUI. On others, I do not. |
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| 22:35.50 | nkuttler | albo: /proc/partitions |
| 22:36.09 | PerfDave | streuner: Für neun Jahre ungefähr. Nicht sehr gut. |
| 22:36.37 | PerfDave | streuner: OK, that was Babelfish ;) |
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| 22:36.45 | streuner | haha |
| 22:37.02 | PerfDave | streuner: But I vaguely grokked "Is there any German help chat here?" |
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| 22:37.41 | streuner | PerfDave: yes |
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| 22:38.18 | alistair | hey |
| 22:38.26 | alistair | Fluxbox is saying it needs X Server to run |
| 22:38.31 | streuner | PerfDave: for babelfish that wasn't really bad |
| 22:38.36 | mwilson | alistair: It does. So? |
| 22:38.42 | mwilson | alistair: Any X application does. |
| 22:38.54 | alistair | I know but im running it now while in gnome and its still saying that |
| 22:39.21 | nkuttler | alistair: google "gnome change window manager" |
| 22:39.27 | mwilson | alistair: And how many times, in how many different ways, do people have to tell you that doesn't work? |
| 22:39.28 | chr_ | is someone willing to help me for a C related question? |
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| 22:39.48 | PerfDave | chr_: ##c |
| 22:39.56 | alistair | failed to load database failed to load groupfile, cant copy /etc/x11/fluxbox/init to /home/alistair/.fluxbox/ini an error occured while quering X Server another window manager already running on display :0.0 |
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| 22:40.14 | TiTAN_pi8 | hello can someone help me out with this problem: I did 'export AR=/some/path' but now I want to make AR point to the default path. how do I reset it? |
| 22:40.49 | mwilson | alistair: Yes, and if you actually *read* the last part of that... |
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| 22:41.07 | alistair | Mamake sure you dont have a window manager running... |
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| 22:42.02 | TiTAN_pi8 | anyone? :) |
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| 22:42.34 | alistair | Mamake sure you dont have a window manager running... what shall i do?.. |
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| 22:43.58 | alistair | Mamake sure you dont have a window manager running... what shall i do?.. |
| 22:44.01 | TiTAN_pi8 | has anybody have some experience on cross compiling samba? |
| 22:44.10 | mwilson | alistair: What you've been told to do several times now. |
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| 22:44.18 | alistair | How? |
| 22:44.24 | empop | TiTAN_pi8: try 'unset AR' in your shell |
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| 22:44.34 | Golfgeo | Hi all |
| 22:44.42 | empop | TiTAN_pi8: don't know about samba |
| 22:44.44 | mwilson | alistair: You don't know how to log off? |
| 22:44.44 | TiTAN_pi8 | empop, thank you I will try |
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| 22:44.57 | alistair | I've killed the x server and ran Fluxbox, it still didnt work :) |
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| 22:45.09 | alistair | so shall i log off and goto a tty? |
| 22:45.13 | mwilson | Amazingly enough, not a single person told you to kill the X server. |
| 22:45.24 | alistair | I know but it would be an idea |
| 22:45.33 | mwilson | In fact, you've been told quite plainly that fluxcrap requires an X server. |
| 22:45.48 | alistair | So when i run it now, why doesn't it work? |
| 22:45.50 | palmero | Hi, how do I unmount a volume that has accidentally been mounted twice (at the same mountpoint)? |
| 22:46.03 | mwilson | alistair: Is X running? |
| 22:46.17 | alistair | yes |
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| 22:47.09 | mwilson | alistair: Is Gnome running? |
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| 22:47.24 | stizoner | wheres the list of apt-get sources? the non-free ones arent listed in my sources file |
| 22:47.30 | alistair | mwilson: yes |
| 22:47.39 | nkuttler | stizoner: so? add them. |
| 22:47.42 | stew | stizoner: /msg dpkg non-free ; man sources.list |
| 22:47.47 | mwilson | alistair: Were you told that you couldn't run fluxcrap while Gnome was running? |
| 22:47.55 | Golfgeo | is there a way to find out what default languesh I installed for my Debian system (like five years ago)? |
| 22:48.03 | alistair | How can i close gnome? |
| 22:48.24 | mwilson | alistair: Log off. |
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| 22:48.29 | alistair | then .. |
| 22:48.32 | stizoner | did nothing |
| 22:48.37 | terr | has anyone here used camstream? |
| 22:48.44 | mwilson | Choose fluxcrap from the list of sessions in gdm. |
| 22:48.46 | orchid | stizoner: apt-get update |
| 22:48.55 | mwilson | Also as you were told. |
| 22:48.57 | stizoner | allready did |
| 22:49.01 | alistair | ah ok, simplier than i thought, sorry im taking a too serious approach on everything, thanks. |
| 22:49.11 | TiTAN_pi8 | alistair, if you want to go to your text console you can stop gdm. /etc/init.d/gdm stop (i think) |
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| 22:49.29 | mwilson | TiTAN_pi8: And what good would that do him, for the problem he's having? |
| 22:49.29 | alistair | yeah i have ran that and still told me it needed xserver i thin ki just need to log off |
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| 22:49.40 | orchid | mwilson: you mean fluxbox or are you trolling? |
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| 22:49.56 | TiTAN_pi8 | mwilson, I don't know I wasn't really following I just read he wanted to close gnome. |
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| 22:50.43 | TiTAN_pi8 | Is it possible to find out which features are compiled in to your running kernel? I mean without have your .config file |
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| 22:51.12 | nkuttler | TiTAN_pi8: /boot/config-foo |
| 22:51.13 | badcoder | in debian sarge apache 1.3.33 i get method post not found on this server anyone knows the cause? |
| 22:51.22 | empop | TiTAN_pi8: are you using a custom kernel or a stock one? |
| 22:51.24 | TiTAN_pi8 | nkuttler, thank you |
| 22:51.33 | empop | TiTAN_pi8: nvr mind |
| 22:51.36 | TiTAN_pi8 | empop, a custom one build by someone else |
| 22:51.53 | Golfgeo | TiTAN_pi8 use something like make -oldconfig |
| 22:52.31 | TiTAN_pi8 | Golfgeo, won't that compile the kernel with the old configuration? I just want to see which features are available |
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| 22:54.20 | Golfgeo | TiTAN_pi8 It will |
| 22:54.36 | terr | does anyone know of any real time video compression systems? |
| 22:54.41 | two|face | so this program I wrote that needs to run 24/7 keeps getting killed, and not by me, anyone know why? |
| 22:54.51 | Golfgeo | TiTAN_pi8 You could run make menu-config after that to change some options, but it is a good way to get the same parameters |
| 22:55.04 | terr | two|face: perhaps its crashing |
| 22:55.20 | two|face | terr: not likely I debugged it heavily |
| 22:55.25 | TiTAN_pi8 | Golfgeo, ah thank you I will try that if /boot/config- doesn't give me what I want |
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| 22:55.35 | terr | two|face: that doesn't necessarily mean anything. |
| 22:55.45 | two|face | it doesn't exit, but it says "Killed" and thats it, like the OS is killing it |
| 22:55.50 | nkuttler | two|face: does it use much ram? |
| 22:55.55 | Golfgeo | TiTAN_pi8 I recomend reading the kernel-package documentation |
| 22:55.58 | badcoder | two|face an making a shell script that looks for your programs in the pids and execute it again when is not in the process list? |
| 22:56.14 | two|face | badcoder: thats bad coding ;) |
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| 22:56.35 | two|face | I don't need to do that because its coded to run forever |
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| 22:57.16 | two|face | nkuttler: it uses about 3% of the ram |
| 22:57.56 | empop | two|face: are any other programs randomly crashing? |
| 22:58.12 | grendal_prime | ok this is stupid..i just cant remember this...i have an item in my fstab and i want the machine to mount the drive when it boots..how would i go about that ? |
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| 22:58.38 | two|face | ahh wait I just checked and the ram usage builds up |
| 22:58.54 | empop | lol :] |
| 22:58.54 | nkuttler | two|face: and you call that heavily debugged? |
| 22:59.26 | two|face | yeah ;) it runs stable, no seg faults, never crashes at least |
| 22:59.38 | empop | i crashed a whole lab full of terminals once by using too much memory |
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| 23:00.10 | empop | (well not the terminals themselves, just the server they were connected to) |
| 23:00.16 | two|face | but i'm not sure now, it fluctuates between 70% then back down to 50% |
| 23:00.24 | two|face | there isn't much ram on this system to begin with |
| 23:01.08 | nkuttler | two|face: fix the memory leak... and maybe go to #c or whatevery you are using |
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| 23:01.45 | two|face | I'm not sure its a memory leak |
| 23:01.58 | abrotman | empop: crappy admin |
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| 23:02.34 | alistair | fluxbox aint as good as i thought it was, any ideas of some nice gui desktops i can install? |
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| 23:02.51 | Ronin | alistair: not as good? course its all point of view |
| 23:02.57 | alistair | Yeah i guess |
| 23:02.59 | abrotman | alistair: xfce,gnome,kde |
| 23:03.00 | grendal_prime | xfce is nice...small...works good |
| 23:03.03 | empop | alistair: xfce is kinda nice if you like kinda minimal |
| 23:03.20 | abrotman | ion,ratpoison,twm,pwm |
| 23:03.22 | grendal_prime | i use it on p200's and it works nice |
| 23:03.25 | alistair | yea i find KDE abit too much |
| 23:03.50 | Ronin | alistair: what was the problem with fluxbox? but heck theres tons of wms etc out there |
| 23:03.51 | grendal_prime | im still looking for a way to just install firefox on those damn p200s |
| 23:03.53 | empop | WindowMaker maybe? |
| 23:04.08 | abrotman | grendal_prime: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 23:04.15 | nkuttler | grendal_prime: use dillo or netscape |
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| 23:04.48 | grendal_prime | what would be the best way two mount a remote user dir...via shfs...on boot...i keep running into a damn password request |
| 23:05.07 | abrotman | to mount ? |
| 23:05.07 | alistair | its just that small bar and i have to right click to navigate >_< |
| 23:05.17 | abrotman | grendal_prime: keys ? |
| 23:05.24 | Ronin | esss alistair the horror of it all ;) |
| 23:05.37 | abrotman | alistair: that's actually quite nice after a while .. takes a bit of getting used to |
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| 23:05.43 | alistair | yeah i guess |
| 23:05.55 | alistair | anybody know the name of that desktop with the big sphere icons at the bottem? |
| 23:06.01 | grendal_prime | abrotman, what i mean is that is it..just firefox..and x |
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| 23:06.08 | a_arcane | Ive installed a postfix server on a computer. Now i want another computer to use it as its mail server. Ive installed mutt and ssmtp to make the client relay its mail to the server. When trying to send a mail to the server via mutt i get "Error sending message, child exited 127 (Exec error.)" Help please. |
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| 23:06.17 | grendal_prime | keys is what im going to have to do i guess |
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| 23:06.33 | abrotman | grendal_prime: you mean just run firefox? |
| 23:06.36 | grendal_prime | but at what point of the boot...hmmm im just not good with |
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| 23:06.56 | grendal_prime | ya like a keosk |
| 23:07.02 | grendal_prime | ill figer that out later |
| 23:07.13 | abrotman | grendal_prime: you can set X to just run firefox |
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| 23:07.36 | grendal_prime | i have this user i need for the router to mount a remote dir for the user |
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| 23:08.19 | quittt | help me does anybody here knows how do I check for mp3s with problems? |
| 23:08.30 | abrotman | that's a question .. right? |
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| 23:10.44 | EasterSunshine | quittt: play them and listen for scratches or wait for your player to crash |
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| 23:11.17 | quittt | I have 4000 mp3s |
| 23:11.23 | quittt | does it helps? |
| 23:11.25 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 23:11.30 | abrotman | listen carefully |
| 23:11.41 | elephantman | How can i move all files like "file.php,v" to "file.php" ? |
| 23:11.42 | P-K | anyone know way vim wouldnt read the /etc/vim/vimrc file ? |
| 23:11.48 | P-K | er why |
| 23:11.53 | elephantman | I don't know why rsync put ",v" after all files |
| 23:12.10 | abrotman | !rename |
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| 23:12.11 | deadcat | elephantman: man rename |
| 23:12.20 | abrotman | stupid bot |
| 23:12.25 | quittt | EasterSunshine, it would take me 10 days |
| 23:12.30 | quittt | without stopping listening |
| 23:12.30 | abrotman | quittt: so get started |
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| 23:13.09 | EasterSunshine | quittt: you can't have a script check if every byte of an mp3 is correct... |
| 23:13.18 | abrotman | quittt: how would you like to do it .. compare your illegal mp3s to a centralized database where mp3 md5sums are stored ? |
| 23:13.33 | EasterSunshine | quittt: play ten seconds of each or even less, and if the player complains, its a bad mp3 |
| 23:13.51 | elephantman | rename doesn't handle recursivness ? |
| 23:13.54 | EasterSunshine | quittt: and check the playing time as well... |
| 23:13.54 | napnapnap | hi guys, my KDE 3.3.2 install got messed up. I really would like to upgrade to KDE 3.4, especially since I have to reinstall it anyway. DO you think that's smart? |
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| 23:14.00 | newbie | Hi all |
| 23:14.08 | abrotman | elephantman: why are you renaming your cvs repository? |
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| 23:14.30 | newbie | here someone is using mozilla-firefox on sarge? |
| 23:14.38 | elephantman | abrotman: well i need to retrieve just a part of the repository |
| 23:14.38 | abrotman | elephantman: find/xargs/rename ? |
| 23:14.41 | abrotman | newbie: yes |
| 23:14.50 | elephantman | abrotman: ok thanx a lot |
| 23:14.52 | newbie | version 1.0.4-sarge2? |
| 23:14.54 | abrotman | elephantman: check it out ? |
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| 23:15.05 | abrotman | newbie: if that's the version in sarge .. yes |
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| 23:15.17 | newbie | Ok, I've a great problem |
| 23:15.30 | newbie | I can't download files :( |
| 23:15.33 | abrotman | why not? |
| 23:15.35 | quittt | abrotman, seems that you buy all your music |
| 23:15.38 | newbie | I don't know |
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| 23:15.40 | abrotman | quittt: yes |
| 23:15.50 | newbie | The first time worked without problems |
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| 23:15.52 | quittt | abrotman, ... |
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| 23:16.01 | abrotman | quittt: i have friends who make thier living by music .. i try not to starve friends |
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| 23:16.04 | Ronin | ahh there thats better, 800x600 on an 17 " lcd sucks |
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| 23:16.09 | quittt | typical nerd |
| 23:16.10 | newbie | I fired up firefox and downloaded a kernel from www.kernel.org |
| 23:16.19 | abrotman | quittt: typical ass |
| 23:16.36 | abrotman | !hire quittt |
| 23:16.38 | newbie | then I closed firefox, reopened it and tried to download wxgtk 2.6.1 from www.wxwidgets.org |
| 23:16.53 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 23:17.01 | varllos | what installer java? |
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| 23:17.06 | newbie | After clicking on the file firefox just says "Done" |
| 23:17.16 | abrotman | !tell varllos about install java |
| 23:17.19 | maher | varllos: java-package |
| 23:17.23 | abrotman | newbie: it means it's already downloaded somewhere |
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| 23:17.31 | newbie | No windows asking me what to do with the file, no network transfer |
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| 23:17.34 | abrotman | newbie: more than likely anyways |
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| 23:17.40 | varllos | thanks :) |
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| 23:17.44 | newbie | I don't think so |
| 23:17.44 | abrotman | newbie: you could use wget :) |
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| 23:17.50 | abrotman | newbie: did you try another file somewhere? |
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| 23:18.03 | newbie | It's 7 MB and I've just installed |
| 23:18.12 | newbie | Yes, I tried other files |
| 23:18.17 | abrotman | and they work? |
| 23:18.20 | newbie | No |
| 23:18.28 | abrotman | so you can't download anything? |
| 23:18.34 | abrotman | newbie: have any bookmarks? |
| 23:18.38 | newbie | I don't want to use wget, because it's frustrating |
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| 23:18.42 | abrotman | gwget! |
| 23:18.45 | newbie | no, I haven't bookmarks |
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| 23:19.14 | newbie | I'd prefer to solve this problem and get firefox completely functional |
| 23:19.15 | abrotman | newbie: remove your ~/.mozilla/firefox/ folder? |
| 23:19.18 | quittt | abrotman, I hate Bush |
| 23:19.20 | newbie | I already tried |
| 23:19.34 | newbie | It downloads files again |
| 23:19.36 | abrotman | quittt: you need a helmet |
| 23:19.42 | newbie | Then wen I close firefox |
| 23:19.48 | newbie | *when |
| 23:19.56 | jeff_ | what would be the best way to remove KDE |
| 23:19.59 | newbie | and reopen it the problem happens again |
| 23:20.01 | abrotman | !remove kde |
| 23:20.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
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| 23:20.11 | abrotman | jeff_: and take libqt if you want that gone too |
| 23:20.21 | newbie | no one have my problem? |
| 23:20.32 | newbie | abrotman, do you use KDE? |
| 23:20.39 | abrotman | i've never had that problem .. unless i repeatedly try to download the same file |
| 23:20.49 | abrotman | newbie: hell no ... why would i use such garbage |
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| 23:21.01 | newbie | What do you use? |
| 23:21.23 | abrotman | gnome or blackbox mostly |
| 23:21.24 | jeff_ | Thanks abrotman? |
| 23:21.29 | jeff_ | I mean . |
| 23:21.40 | quittt | abrotman, really |
| 23:21.43 | abrotman | yes |
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| 23:21.45 | newbie | This problem is frustrating , I've the same problem on 2 machines |
| 23:21.50 | jeff_ | and that dpkg and that other dude how made dpkg |
| 23:21.55 | jeff_ | tell me |
| 23:21.56 | jeff_ | :) |
| 23:22.07 | abrotman | newbie: what if you remove the file you just downloaded? |
| 23:22.18 | newbie | Already tried |
| 23:22.20 | Bac9 | should one generaly be worried of external attempt to log into sshd with invalid credentials? |
| 23:22.21 | newbie | no use |
| 23:22.50 | abrotman | Bac9: i'd be more worried if they were trying an actual username |
| 23:22.59 | quittt | abrotman, don't jugbe what I do by the laws of USA |
| 23:23.03 | quittt | what I do here is legal |
| 23:23.10 | quittt | and if it isnt for you that's your problems |
| 23:23.18 | abrotman | quittt: then go fucking ask a channel taht pertains to your problem moron |
| 23:23.22 | Bac9 | abrotman: they are, looks like a dictionary attack of usernames, spans of about 1-2 hours continuous retries] |
| 23:23.45 | abrotman | Bac9: you mean they aren't repeatedly trying 'bac9' ? |
| 23:24.03 | nkuttler | Bac9: where are they from? |
| 23:24.04 | Bac9 | abrotman: exactly, looks like alphabetically sorted list of usernames |
| 23:24.04 | mwilson | Hm, xorg doesn't have any keymaps for a type6? |
| 23:24.09 | quittt | abrotman, dont cry |
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| 23:24.10 | mwilson | That's weird. |
| 23:24.12 | abrotman | Bac9: i wouldn't worry at all |
| 23:24.16 | quittt | the life will get better =D |
| 23:24.22 | Bac9 | nkuttler: I haven't a clue, just noticed it, but been in the logs ofr a few months |
| 23:24.33 | Bac9 | abrotman: and when would you worry? |
| 23:24.36 | abrotman | Bac9: anyone with an internet facing server with openssh running without the uhm .. pf stuff is having the same thing |
| 23:24.49 | abrotman | Bac9: i'd be freaked if they knew a username and were trying to get in |
| 23:24.57 | quittt | abrotman, bye nerdy |
| 23:25.05 | abrotman | what a fucking loser |
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| 23:25.23 | Bac9 | abrotman: oh ok, so these spurts of two hour continuous login attemps is normal? just checking |
| 23:25.29 | maher | Bac9: everyone gets this - ignore it or try http://blog.andrew.net.au/2005/02/17 |
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| 23:25.36 | abrotman | Bac9: would you like me to check a machine i run that listens to ssh ? |
| 23:26.05 | Bac9 | maher: tell you the truth first time I've noticed this to be that persistent |
| 23:26.10 | nkuttler | sshd: KNOWN in /etc/hosts.allow fixed it for me |
| 23:26.15 | Golfgeo | What does tasksell mean with Laptop? (Currently installing Etch on my latop, but wan't to know what "Laptop" entailes)... |
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| 23:26.21 | Bac9 | abrotman: naa, just checking when I should start getting worried |
| 23:26.35 | nkuttler | Golfgeo: just don't use tasksel |
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| 23:26.43 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: don't worry about it .. i'd rather like to see you get your voice back though :) |
| 23:26.54 | Golfgeo | nkuttler, thats what I normaly do :-) |
| 23:27.00 | abrotman | Bac9: FieldySnuts suggests you run it on a non-standard port if it's that much of a concern |
| 23:27.16 | a_arcane | How do i locate where a program has been installed? |
| 23:27.46 | nkuttler | a_arcane: locate, dpkg -S foo, dpkg -L package, ... find / -name foo |
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| 23:28.15 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i really don't mind at all ... |
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| 23:28.42 | black13 | abrotman i have been working with 2.4 now that i have moved to 2.6 i cant mout /dev/hdc (cdrom) any ideas? |
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| 23:28.44 | Bac9 | abrotman: not so much a concern as just something new/unexpected |
| 23:28.49 | dibblego | is the 3.1_r0a DVD ISO made up of 2xDVDs? |
| 23:28.50 | Bac9 | abrotman: trying to gage threat factor |
| 23:28.51 | abrotman | black13: intel chipset ? |
| 23:29.02 | abrotman | Bac9: it's most certainly not new .. started about a year ago |
| 23:29.23 | Bac9 | abrotman: oh really? maybe that's why I haven't noticed it before |
| 23:29.23 | black13 | abrotman yes do you mean the kernel is based on the intel chipset |
| 23:29.47 | black13 | abrotman personally i think its my lack of knowledge about 2.6 kernel |
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| 23:29.57 | abrotman | black13: i mean .. is your machine an intel chipset based thingie ? |
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| 23:30.10 | K9-Cop | Do I need MTD support enabled in the kernel in order to use USB sticks? |
| 23:30.26 | Bac9 | abrotman: so just basically the same "try random usernames in aphabetical order", I wonder why it only started a year ago and proved fruitfull enough to continue this long |
| 23:30.27 | eeyore- | black13: do you have support for ide cdrom compiled in (or modular?) |
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| 23:30.40 | black13 | abrotman yes |
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| 23:30.55 | black13 | eeyore- i was about to check that |
| 23:30.55 | dibblego | everywhere I look, the DVD ISO images seem to be too small |
| 23:31.13 | abrotman | black13: did you build your own? |
| 23:31.20 | black13 | abrotman yes ... |
| 23:31.32 | black13 | i get flamed like crazy about doing that |
| 23:31.39 | eeyore- | Bac9: you could try filtering SSH to only a few source IP's, or maybe try port knocking |
| 23:31.47 | abrotman | yes .. you will .. black13 try a debian 2.6 first .. see if it works |
| 23:32.11 | Bac9 | eeyore-: I'll probably do that idea of limiting number of connect( from the url) |
| 23:32.13 | black13 | abrotman i have used sarge works great |
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| 23:32.30 | black13 | abrotman what i need is slight mod ... i need squashfs |
| 23:32.55 | abrotman | black13: so get the debian source package .. patch it .. then start with the debian config |
| 23:34.12 | black13 | abrotman ihave heard two schools of thought ... there is a debian system i should use make-kpgk and the "raw" way download the kernel into usr/src do the symlink |
| 23:34.26 | abrotman | black13: i vote for make-kpkg |
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| 23:34.51 | black13 | why? not being argumentative but what advantage? |
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| 23:35.18 | abrotman | dpkg -i mykernel.deb;dpkg -P mykernel.deb .. and a pile of other things |
| 23:35.24 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 23:35.24 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 23:36.11 | black13 | is dpkg a bot or person? |
| 23:36.13 | Lightning | evening, any suggestions on a socks5 proxy? The socks.nec.com that i keep finding no longer has it for download |
| 23:36.15 | Lightning | a bot |
| 23:36.16 | alistair | bot i think |
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| 23:36.22 | black13 | turning machine |
| 23:36.30 | sward | black13: A good question, why don't you ask him? |
| 23:36.43 | black13 | maybe later |
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| 23:36.54 | sward | :) |
| 23:37.02 | black13 | after the meds cut in |
| 23:37.06 | sward | dpkg: who are you? |
| 23:37.06 | dpkg | I'm a chimp! |
| 23:37.12 | sward | dpkg: What are you? |
| 23:37.13 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 23:37.20 | alistair | bloodbot |
| 23:37.21 | alistair | xD |
| 23:37.33 | alistair | <blootbot> |
| 23:37.38 | black13 | does anyone remember of know of racter? |
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| 23:37.55 | Xenguy | dpkg: where are you? |
| 23:37.55 | dpkg | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
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| 23:38.09 | Xenguy | dpkg: why are you? |
| 23:38.10 | dpkg | not in testing yet is ($1): $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed on http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=$1 |
| 23:38.13 | abrotman | black13: turing |
| 23:38.19 | black13 | quote racter "i need electricty i need it for my dreams" |
| 23:38.46 | black13 | next question is sarge a 2.6 based kernel or something else? |
| 23:38.51 | LinuxNIT | is sarges kerenl compiled the same for a celeron as for a pentium III becuase i upgraded my prcessor? |
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| 23:39.05 | abrotman | black13: there are 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 23:39.13 | abrotman | LinuxNIT: should work fine |
| 23:39.13 | black13 | country and western |
| 23:39.14 | sward | black13: Sarge install defaults to 2.4, but can use a 2.6 kernel |
| 23:39.29 | LinuxNIT | thanks abrotman |
| 23:39.36 | Lewoco | Ok, the installation is prompting me for a kernel. What is the difference between "kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386" and "kernel-image-2.4-386"? |
| 23:39.51 | abrotman | Lewoco: the latter is better |
| 23:40.00 | Lewoco | Why? |
| 23:40.12 | Lewoco | It will automatically get upgraded? |
| 23:40.12 | abrotman | it is a metapackage .. the former is a specific package |
| 23:40.12 | black13 | is there a kernel config file that can be used to build with or this the wrong question? |
| 23:40.20 | abrotman | Lewoco: for security reasons ... yes |
| 23:40.27 | Lewoco | Ah ok. Thank you. |
| 23:40.30 | abrotman | black13: check /boot |
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| 23:40.50 | black13 | ok then there is ubuntu has the config in the /boot directory |
| 23:41.01 | abrotman | huh? |
| 23:41.15 | abrotman | i don't know anything about ubuntu |
| 23:41.34 | black13 | yes i use ubuntu i look ubuntu ... i am coming out of the ubuntu closet |
| 23:41.40 | bucky | !ubuntu |
| 23:41.40 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
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| 23:42.40 | black13 | black13's mood stablizer just cut in ... i feel placid |
| 23:43.01 | Foo443 | Does anyone know where I can find kernel-source-2.6.7 ? I found an archive of older packages at snapshot.debian.net, but it only stretches back to mars 2005 (at which 2.6.7 had been replaced by 2.6.8) :-( |
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| 23:43.09 | abrotman | Foo443: why would you want that ? |
| 23:43.41 | abrotman | Foo443: iirc .. it's insecure |
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| 23:44.29 | abrotman | Foo443: DO NOT msg me |
| 23:45.10 | Foo443 | abrotman: Sorry.. I've got custom kernel dependent modules for getting my crappy via and hauppauge HW to run and I would like not to go through that hell again |
| 23:45.16 | abrotman | Foo443: thank you |
| 23:45.32 | abrotman | Foo443: i see it if you search using the second box .. kind of .. they have the orig.tgz and diff etc |
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| 23:45.59 | abrotman | Foo443: oh i see .. |
| 23:46.02 | abrotman | part of the archive is gone |
| 23:46.02 | black13 | mika lika high jombee |
| 23:46.10 | kamaraju | Is there any graphical partitioning tool other than qtparted? qtparted cannot create ext3 partitions. |
| 23:46.25 | lkcore | I want to setup a sarge gateway + dhcp + maybe logserver. I'm thinking about partitioning my 850 mb hd. I've read the Debian Installation Guide and still am not sure howto divide the space into partitions. Could you give any examples? |
| 23:46.54 | thingfish | are there any handy, dandy cli or gui file association tools for gnome in sarge? |
| 23:47.27 | nite613 | kamaraju: Just make an ext2 and then tune2fs -j /dev/part |
| 23:47.36 | abrotman | Foo443: then i have no idea where to find it |
| 23:47.48 | abrotman | kamaraju: man tune2fs |
| 23:47.52 | dieeasy | Hi all! Does anyone have some time to tell me about rtlimist? |
| 23:47.58 | abrotman | thingfish: say what? |
| 23:48.50 | lkcore | Thought about separating /tmp - 50mb and /var - 300mb from / - 400mb and swap 75 mb. Aproximately. Any thoughts about this? Ah, the hardware is pentium 333 + 64 mb ram. |
| 23:48.51 | Foo443 | abrotman: Could you please explain that part about searching using the second box? I tried searching for kernel-source-2.6.7 but got nothing. when navigating the tree by hand I found a Sources.gz containing 2004/07/03/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-source-2.6.7 |
| 23:49.01 | Foo443 | Unfortunately 2004 isn't available on the server |
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| 23:49.03 | abrotman | Foo443: i see it's gone now |
| 23:49.10 | abrotman | Foo443: perhaps not restored yet? |
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| 23:49.35 | abrotman | Foo443: i think snapshot.d.n took a poo a few months ago |
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| 23:50.08 | Foo443 | abrotman: do you know if the debian patches are available at least? Then I could always download vanilla sources from kernel.org. |
| 23:50.26 | abrotman | Foo443: not that i know of .. you could email the debian-kernel list |
| 23:51.04 | Foo443 | Ok, thanks.. Odd though that debian doesn't have some kind of VCM to store all released bundles they've developed... |
| 23:51.28 | abrotman | Foo443: they might .. i don't know of it if they do |
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| 23:51.35 | maher | Foo443: archive.debian.org |
| 23:51.44 | black13 | another wierd question is there a wey to ultra small sarge install ... |
| 23:51.54 | maher | Foo443: oops - i mean snapshot.debian.org |
| 23:52.01 | dondelelcaro | black13: you can easily get the install down to 40M or smaller. |
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| 23:52.31 | black13 | is here script for such specialization or is this hand done |
| 23:52.37 | gentoothreefour | who is sid in toystory |
| 23:52.38 | jcole | i'm having problems with these virtual packages... how do i make apt ignore dependency checking? |
| 23:52.45 | black13 | like removing all the man pages info files an unned locales |
| 23:52.46 | mwilson | You don't. |
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| 23:53.00 | mwilson | That's all apt does, is check dependencies. |
| 23:53.01 | dondelelcaro | Foo443: a lot of them are stored, but there are so many that it eats unbelievable amounts of diskspace to do so |
| 23:53.02 | Foo443 | maher: As I said to abrotman, the files I'm looking for would be in the 2004 tree. snapshot only contains 2005 stuff :-( |
| 23:53.03 | jcole | gentoothreefour: the evil kid that burns and mutilates the dolls |
| 23:53.03 | mwilson | Nothing else. |
| 23:53.08 | maher | gentoothreefour: sid is the bad bot who breaks your toys |
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| 23:53.14 | maher | gentgeen__: s/bot/boy/ |
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| 23:53.23 | maher | gentoothreefour: : s/bot/boy/ |
| 23:53.24 | mwilson | If you think you need to break the dependency database, then don't use the tool that's intended to MAINTAIN that database. |
| 23:53.43 | maher | Foo443: sorry - snapshot is too recent for what you want then |
| 23:53.57 | mwilson | jcole: Simple enough, eh? |
| 23:53.59 | Foo443 | dondelelcaro: ok what about a VCM like ... i dunno, CVS / subversion. They are pretty good at storing stuff like source code :-p |
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| 23:54.16 | jcole | mwilson: the package is installed, but for some reason apt doesn't "see" it because it's a "virtual package |
| 23:54.19 | black13 | mwilson sill quest you apt as in apt-get or something beyound that? |
| 23:54.22 | dondelelcaro | Foo443: look at the diskspace useage graphs for snapshot.debian.net. |
| 23:54.31 | Foo443 | maher: np, the search continues .. |
| 23:54.34 | dondelelcaro | Foo443: then come back to me when you've found a VCS that can actually do that. |
| 23:54.35 | mwilson | jcole: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 23:54.43 | thingfish | abrotman: when I double-click on a .doc file, it opens with abiword. I would rather it open with OO.o. |
| 23:54.45 | jcole | mwilson: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/07/msg01261.html |
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| 23:54.59 | abrotman | thingfish: you want to change the mimetype? |
| 23:54.59 | black13 | i know that each deb package had meta information showing what depends on what |
| 23:55.07 | thingfish | abrotman: yes |
| 23:55.23 | Foo443 | dondelelcaro, disk is cheap.. I've got 2 TB on my file server alone :-) |
| 23:55.28 | abrotman | thingfish: if you right click .. can you choose OO? |
| 23:55.30 | mwilson | jcole: Yes, and? |
| 23:55.34 | abrotman | Foo443: donate some |
| 23:55.36 | thingfish | yes, abrotman. |
| 23:55.38 | karsten | Foo443: backup still sucks though. |
| 23:55.48 | thingfish | abrotman: should I just settle for that? |
| 23:55.58 | dondelelcaro | Foo443: double/tripply redundant? and the VCS that can handle that many files? |
| 23:56.00 | thingfish | I mean, it does work. |
| 23:56.01 | abrotman | thingfish: let me look |
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| 23:56.08 | black13 | sorry i have to ask again what is the debian method to build kernel |
| 23:56.15 | dondelelcaro | Foo443: you realize, right, that s.d.n had all of this setup and only lost that information because one of the raid devices failed? |
| 23:56.16 | jcole | mwilson: what is a "virtual package"? and, how do i make apt "see" them? http://packages.debian.org/stable/virtual/libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 |
| 23:56.25 | black13 | or is there a wiki |
| 23:56.35 | dondelelcaro | jcole: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 23:56.42 | EasterSunshine | Foo443: what do you mean disk is cheap? how much did your 2tb cost? |
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| 23:56.47 | Foo443 | karsten: Yeah it surely is. Right now I'm using a raid5 to mirror my file server (which is also a raid5). Just hoping that the lightning doesn't strike 8-/ |
| 23:57.06 | abrotman | thingfish: right click .. choose other .. find the writer binary |
| 23:57.07 | jcole | mwilson: apt-get install libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 says the package is already installed so i'm not sure what to do... i'm trying to apt-get install synaptic |
| 23:57.20 | grendal_prime | ok abrotman here is the problem...the mount sequence is run before the netork card fires up... i need to reverse those..so that the mount will be able to get out to the remote site |
| 23:57.21 | thingfish | abrotman: yes |
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| 23:57.43 | jcole | dondelelcaro: i'm trying to figure out how to install synaptic |
| 23:57.50 | Foo443 | EasterSunshine: about $1000 |
| 23:57.53 | dondelelcaro | jcole: welcome to unstable. synaptic will require a rebuild against that version of apt before it can be installed with apt. |
| 23:58.02 | mwilson | jcole: I don't see the problem. |
| 23:58.04 | thingfish | abrotman: but OO.o is already in the menu as an option. I'm talking default open-with. |
| 23:58.07 | jcole | dondelelcaro: but apt can't "see" that it's dependencies are already installed |
| 23:58.09 | lilylabyrinth | This is prolly an easy question, but how do I mount a device (cdrom) on a remote system as though it were local? |
| 23:58.13 | abrotman | thingfish: i know .. |
| 23:58.14 | mwilson | jcole: That package is superceeded. Welcome to unstable. |
| 23:58.17 | dondelelcaro | !depends synaptic |
| 23:58.18 | EasterSunshine | Foo443: hah...if only wish $1000 were cheap for me... |
| 23:58.23 | dpkg | synaptic: depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.10, libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.5.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.2), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.1), libvte4 (>= 1:0.11.11), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxft2 (>> ... |
| 23:58.25 | thingfish | abrotman: I thought so. |
| 23:58.25 | abrotman | thingfish: ah . found it ... |
| 23:58.31 | thingfish | oh neat! |
| 23:58.32 | abrotman | thingfish: right click .. go to properties |
| 23:58.33 | grendal_prime | seems i remember a package asking if i wante it to start after the network was initialized, i think nfs asks about that |
| 23:58.39 | dondelelcaro | !provides apt |
| 23:58.40 | dpkg | apt: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.10 |
| 23:58.42 | abrotman | thingfish: go to the open with .. pick the one you want |
| 23:58.48 | thingfish | ahh!!!! |
| 23:58.51 | *** join/#debian KAMENI (n=dfgewfe@Dial-BG-15.telekom.yu) |
| 23:58.51 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: I don't have any idea where he got the idea that synaptic wasn't installable in unstable. |
| 23:58.55 | jcole | crap |
| 23:59.05 | jcole | i need to downgrade apt then |
| 23:59.06 | thingfish | and gives him candy |
| 23:59.07 | abrotman | thingfish: i'm worried about kissing things .. and fish :_) |
| 23:59.09 | Foo443 | dondelelcaro: I'm using sw-raid, but I guess the promise controllers could fail just as well.. Yeah, raid isn't a substitute for backup. Though disk backup is the only affordable option for large amounts of data.. |
| 23:59.11 | mwilson | jcole: Why? |
| 23:59.25 | thingfish | ok, well at least take the candy, it's quality chocolate. |
| 23:59.28 | jcole | mwilson: i'm running hppa, maybe it's not ready for my arch yet |
| 23:59.33 | Foo443 | EasterSunshine: It's all relative I guess.. |
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| 23:59.39 | mwilson | jcole: synaptic (bleck) wants the -3.10 package, apt provides it, you're done. |
| 23:59.41 | dondelelcaro | Foo443: yes, s.d.n was using kernel software raid too; and it failed... the blog has more information on it. |
| 23:59.46 | abrotman | thingfish: it will go well with my salad :) |
