| 00:00.03 | jcole | Note, selecting apt instead of libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.10 |
| 00:00.03 | jcole | apt is already the newest version. |
| 00:00.17 | grendal_prime | is there a way to initialize the network card before the mount looks at the fsta? |
| 00:00.18 | jcole | wtf? |
| 00:00.20 | grendal_prime | fstab that is |
| 00:00.20 | thingfish | hehe good abrotman |
| 00:00.25 | Foo443 | abrotman: If I donate some, my raid array will fail :-( |
| 00:00.36 | mwilson | jcole: <sigh> On YOUR box, please look at what apt provides. |
| 00:00.39 | abrotman | grendal_prime: you could write a script and start it after the networking |
| 00:00.47 | abrotman | Foo443: ok |
| 00:01.13 | grendal_prime | ya...im not real good at that... |
| 00:01.28 | K9-Cop | Do I need MTD support enabled in the kernel in order to use USB sticks? |
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| 00:01.33 | BenBSD | hey all |
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| 00:01.44 | abrotman | grendal_prime: put the stuff you want in /etc/fstab .. but no 'auto' |
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| 00:01.58 | BenBSD | I was wondering where I can get a apt-get source list, im new to all this. |
| 00:02.04 | abrotman | grendal_prime: then after the networking starts .. execute your script that just calls `mount remotecrap` |
| 00:02.12 | abrotman | BenBSD: apt-setup |
| 00:02.21 | mwilson | BenBSD: What's wrong with the one you have? |
| 00:02.31 | black13 | are the instruction http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html still valid for a 2.6 based kernel |
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| 00:02.44 | abrotman | !tell black13 about kp |
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| 00:03.03 | Foo443 | dondelelcaro, couldn't find any info regarding what history was lost on the blog entry :-( If it was entire 2004 I'll morn.. |
| 00:03.10 | BenBSD | its for mepis, and none of their sources work, nor do the recomended ones |
| 00:03.10 | kamaraju | I am using cfdisk to partition a usb hard drive. What partition number should I choose to get an ext3 partition? |
| 00:03.13 | BenBSD | :( |
| 00:03.20 | abrotman | !mepis |
| 00:03.20 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 00:03.26 | Golfgeo | With what command can one see what kernel version one is running? |
| 00:03.39 | abrotman | Golfgeo: you drive a golf .. or a geo? |
| 00:03.42 | abrotman | Golfgeo: uname -a |
| 00:03.56 | mwilson | BenBSD: Except that MEPIS's sources do "work". |
| 00:04.04 | mwilson | BenBSD: For *MEPIS*. |
| 00:04.12 | Golfgeo | abrotman The game "Golf" on the 8 bit Nintendo :-) |
| 00:04.18 | mwilson | BenBSD: So... are you running MEPIS, or are you running Debian? |
| 00:04.22 | abrotman | Golfgeo: what a horrible game :) |
| 00:04.39 | Golfgeo | abrotman I know, but I was a crack at it :-) |
| 00:04.44 | abrotman | Golfgeo: and you can just call it NES! :) |
| 00:04.59 | rrt | how much different is testing than sarge now? |
| 00:05.01 | BenBSD | mepis,at the moment, for the simple fact that its a super simple install, and it picks up all my hardware without a hitch. |
| 00:05.05 | Golfgeo | abrotman but not a snes! ;-) |
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| 00:05.10 | abrotman | rrt: depends what part |
| 00:05.16 | abrotman | Golfgeo: of course not |
| 00:05.27 | Golfgeo | abrotman uname -a did it :-) Thanks mate |
| 00:05.28 | abrotman | BenBSD: yes .. but we do not support mepis here .. |
| 00:05.31 | abrotman | Golfgeo: np |
| 00:05.47 | rrt | i ran sarge quite a while before released. i am on a laptop, don't want to break it |
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| 00:05.51 | BenBSD | i know, but u fellas are very knowlegable |
| 00:05.53 | dondelelcaro | Foo443: why exactly are you looking for that source package, btw? |
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| 00:06.13 | mwilson | BenBSD: MEPIS also has support. |
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| 00:06.25 | mwilson | BenBSD: But there's no way Debian can support MEPIS. |
| 00:06.32 | abrotman | rrt: so stick with sarge .. is there a reason you need testing ? |
| 00:06.41 | BenBSD | yeah, but I couldnt get a working answer out of em |
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| 00:06.52 | abrotman | !d-i ben_d |
| 00:06.53 | dpkg | ben_d, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:06.54 | abrotman | !d-i BenBSD |
| 00:06.56 | K9-Cop | I think KDE 3.4 is in testing ;) |
| 00:07.01 | mwilson | BenBSD: How does that magically make Debian able to support MEPIS? |
| 00:07.06 | abrotman | !info kdebase etch |
| 00:07.06 | BenBSD | rofl |
| 00:07.10 | SerajewelKS | K9-Cop, not on the testing i'm using |
| 00:07.12 | dpkg | BenBSD, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:07.15 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 00:07.19 | black13 | abrotman thanks |
| 00:07.19 | abrotman | K9-Cop: nope |
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| 00:07.25 | rrt | nahh just seem to like to have the newest ... is running nicley with sarge. |
| 00:07.25 | K9-Cop | oh... take it back |
| 00:07.27 | grendal_prime | oo dude...i dont know what im smoking...i can just put that in the networking script |
| 00:07.31 | mwilson | BenBSD: Why is that amusing? |
| 00:07.32 | BenBSD | koolness thanks |
| 00:07.51 | BenBSD | ooh, its what dpkg is saying |
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| 00:08.13 | BenBSD | "for my own good, and everyone elses" quite funny |
| 00:08.17 | K9-Cop | ;) |
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| 00:08.50 | grendal_prime | that works..heheh...problem is. is there a way to send that with a password as well..hmm shfs man would probably tell |
| 00:08.51 | mwilson | BenBSD: That way you get something that's actually supportable, and we don't have to continually tell you we can't support what you're currently running. |
| 00:08.53 | grendal_prime | thanks abrotman |
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| 00:09.17 | Foo443 | dondelelcaro: have spent weeks to get crappy VIA HW, Hauppauge HW to run, plus my file server is running the same kernel and upgrading that kernel is a big no-no (booting from a custom built gentoo based image stored on flash memory). All disks are in the raid-5 array, so if anything happens I have a h*ll fixing it.. |
| 00:09.36 | micjack | holas |
| 00:09.39 | mwilson | I *so* wish Sun made an optical version of the type 6 mouse |
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| 00:09.43 | rrt | just wondering.... thought that sid was the next release, where did etch come in? |
| 00:09.48 | BenBSD | k thanks mwilson |
| 00:09.53 | micjack | holas |
| 00:09.55 | Foo443 | dondelelcaro: The main reason now is I need to get the nvidia nvnet driver compiled for the file server's A7N8X mobo. |
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| 00:10.06 | sofie | hi |
| 00:10.09 | abrotman | grendal_prime: keys |
| 00:10.19 | sofie | how much cds do i need to debian ? |
| 00:10.22 | abrotman | mwilson: get an old optical mouse :) |
| 00:10.26 | abrotman | sofie: have broadband ? |
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| 00:10.38 | sofie | yes |
| 00:10.39 | sofie | cable |
| 00:10.42 | tdonahue | hi all |
| 00:10.42 | abrotman | !d-i sofie |
| 00:10.43 | dpkg | sofie, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:10.52 | mwilson | abrotman: I *have* an optical mouse. I have several, in fact. But I really like the shape and feel of the type 6 in the hand |
| 00:10.54 | sofie | thanks |
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| 00:11.12 | K9-Cop | sofie: with broadband you'll want the 1 CD net-install image |
| 00:11.19 | abrotman | mwilson: i liked the old ones .. the ones ones feel so cheap compared to the older ones |
| 00:11.19 | mwilson | abrotman: I've also got a type 6 keyboard I'm trying to convince myself I want to use. |
| 00:11.33 | sofie | whats that ? |
| 00:11.44 | abrotman | !d-i sofie |
| 00:11.45 | dpkg | sofie, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:11.57 | mwilson | xorg doesn't have a keymap for the type 6 keyboard, which surprised me. |
| 00:11.57 | abrotman | mwilson: just for the extra keys :) |
| 00:11.59 | K9-Cop | sofie: lol, first one in the list dpkg has given you the link for |
| 00:12.09 | mwilson | abrotman: Yeah, that's my thought, too. |
| 00:12.12 | dondelelcaro | Foo443: if you're still actually running 2.6.7, you really want to upgrade to sarge's 2.6.8 because there are local roots for 2.6.8 out in the wild. |
| 00:12.25 | dondelelcaro | Foo443: so I'd just build an entirely new kernel if I were you. |
| 00:12.34 | sofie | its just 100 megas |
| 00:12.44 | abrotman | sofie: that's the power of broadband :) |
| 00:12.54 | sofie | uah ? |
| 00:12.59 | sofie | i'm confused |
| 00:13.05 | abrotman | sofie: it installs a base system .. and gets the rest from the internet |
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| 00:13.20 | sofie | cool |
| 00:13.26 | sofie | it gets all the cds ? |
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| 00:13.39 | abrotman | sofie: no .. it gets what you need |
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| 00:13.45 | sofie | well jsut a prob |
| 00:13.51 | sofie | i have traffic limits |
| 00:13.58 | abrotman | sofie: ie .. you want to run gnome .. after the install .. you would type apt-get install gnome x-window-system |
| 00:13.58 | rrt | bummer |
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| 00:14.06 | abrotman | sofie: yes .. but it will be less than all 14 CDs |
| 00:14.06 | Foo443 | dondelelcaro: this is the situation one gets to when one is stupidly cheap (I wanted to use all 10 disks for the array and my box only holds 10 drives).. I just knew I would get into a situation like this. I've not touched the linux boxes for ages and fiddling with the OS is something I try to avoid (got better things to do). |
| 00:14.28 | sofie | i only can download thing at 1 am |
| 00:14.38 | sofie | so i will be afk |
| 00:14.50 | abrotman | sofie: that's ok .. |
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| 00:14.54 | rrt | you only need disk1 |
| 00:14.55 | K9-Cop | Has anyone here actually enabled MTD support in their kernel?? I don't understand what its even for and google isn't helping. |
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| 00:15.02 | sofie | mmm |
| 00:15.04 | abrotman | sofie: you do the base install .. then when you can . install the rest |
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| 00:15.11 | sofie | good idea |
| 00:15.14 | sofie | thanks all |
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| 00:16.14 | Foo443 | dondelelcaro: exploits doesn't concern me. Both linux boxes are on an isolated network without access externally, so the I have no security concerns regarding those machines.. And, as I said, any modification to the file server risks screwing up the entire disk (since all drives are part of the array).. |
| 00:16.26 | amp | howdy friends. I just used apt-get to install ircii but I can't find where it installed it to. It's not on my PATH wherever it is. How can I tell where apt put it? |
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| 00:16.47 | maher | amp: dpkg -L packagename |
| 00:16.49 | K9-Cop | You know why you guys keep getting all these noob questions? Its because nobody has written a guide called "How to install/configure Debian for a single-user desktop." |
| 00:16.51 | abrotman | amp: dpkg -L ircii |
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| 00:16.54 | mwilson | amp: What you ACTUALLY mean is that you don't know the name of the binary, right? |
| 00:17.00 | abrotman | !faq |
| 00:17.00 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 00:17.01 | abrotman | !wiki |
| 00:17.05 | abrotman | bah |
| 00:17.52 | maher | K9-Cop: most questions asked here are answered in the faq, but the people who ask questions on irc are the sort of people who don't read the faq |
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| 00:18.15 | sofie | is gentoo better or what ? |
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| 00:18.50 | K9-Cop | maher: yah, thats true. Its a good sign that they know what IRC is though ;) |
| 00:18.52 | Foo443 | A (far fetched?) question: Does anyone have kernel-source-2.6.7_2.6.7-1.diff.gz on their local disk? |
| 00:19.07 | dieeasy | does someone know something about rtlimits? |
| 00:19.47 | amp | mwilson: I assumed it would be ircii. But you are right, I don't know. |
| 00:19.58 | abrotman | sofie: you're in #debian .. what do you think we will answer ? |
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| 00:20.07 | sofie | mm |
| 00:20.15 | grendal_prime | hmmm there is no way to fire up shfs with the password all in one command? |
| 00:20.16 | Quag7 | Is there anything I have to do special to get make-kpkg to use distcc? I set up according to a howto on the net, got my variables exported, but make-kpkg refuses to distribute work. |
| 00:20.23 | sofie | nice answer lol |
| 00:20.54 | dondelelcaro | Quag7: you'll need to MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=foodistccgarbage CC=foodistccgarbage" make-kpkg; etc. |
| 00:20.57 | amp | ahh.... it's ircII. thanks my friends! |
| 00:21.04 | grendal_prime | shfsmount user@server -pass hellow |
| 00:21.12 | K9-Cop | sofie: after the research I did, it looked to me like Debian would be the easiest for a linux noob to maintain. The apt-get stuff is truly cool. |
| 00:21.19 | dondelelcaro | Quag7: since exporting variables isn't going to do you any good because of the way the kernel Makefile sets CC and HOSTCC |
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| 00:21.25 | sofie | lol |
| 00:21.39 | sofie | u have swaret to others |
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| 00:21.59 | buu | !u |
| 00:22.00 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 00:22.08 | Quag7 | Thanks dondelelcaro...I'll have a go at that once this interminable compile is over. I have compiled a kernel 10 times now today, between 30-40 minutes at a clip, and I am getting snarky :) |
| 00:22.17 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 00:22.44 | HandsomeRob | is there a way to run kde unstead on gnome on debian and where can i find information on how |
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| 00:23.10 | abrotman | apt-get install kde kdm |
| 00:23.11 | Quag7 | This is on a P2-400 mobile :( |
| 00:23.18 | Quag7 | hence my desire for distcc :) |
| 00:23.56 | karsten | abrotman: See you next year ... |
| 00:24.06 | HandsomeRob | thanks i'll try that |
| 00:24.14 | abrotman | karsten: right .. |
| 00:24.25 | abrotman | karsten: maybe i should try it for fun :) |
| 00:24.33 | abrotman | !abrotman |
| 00:24.33 | dpkg | i heard abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 00:24.44 | linoleum | hey guys under sid, do you think it's a good idea to activate the composite extention in the xorg.conf ??? |
| 00:24.56 | ding | If you have multiple debian machines at home, how do you do dist-upgrades without all machines trying to hit the debian servers? Is there a howto for setting up a local mirror for this? |
| 00:25.00 | abrotman | i heard it will give you brain damage |
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| 00:25.07 | abrotman | !tell ding about apt-proxy |
| 00:25.20 | kamaraju | When I do 'mount /dev/sda7 /directoryname' -t ext3, I am getting an error saying that 'mount: special device /dev/sda7 does not exist' . What should I do? /dev/sda7 is there according to 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' |
| 00:25.25 | ding | thanks abrotman |
| 00:25.32 | abrotman | ding: np |
| 00:25.57 | peterS | kamaraju: but is it in /proc/partitions? |
| 00:26.16 | kamaraju | peterS: No. |
| 00:26.35 | peterS | kamaraju: /proc/partitions is what matters. for example, if you had a partition or two mounted from /dev/sda, then you ran fdisk on it, the new partitions will not be rescanned by the kernel, since that could change the kernel's arrangement of the partitions in use |
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| 00:26.59 | peterS | kamaraju: you'll need to unmount all the partitions on sda, then convince the kernel to rescan them (running cfdisk then doing 'write' and 'quit' will work) |
| 00:27.02 | peterS | kamaraju: or reboot |
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| 00:29.21 | kamaraju | peterS: I ran cfdisk and then wrote the partition table again. But again I am getting a different error. |
| 00:29.29 | peterS | kamaraju: like what? |
| 00:29.30 | kamaraju | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda7, |
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| 00:29.39 | kamaraju | missing codepage or other error |
| 00:29.39 | peterS | kamaraju: have you done 'mke2fs -j /dev/sda7' yet? |
| 00:29.49 | CanadaMan | hey people. here is a question. is it true or not true that a GPL'ed library (I mean GPL, not LGPL) can be used in a CLOSED-SOURCE application as long as the developers of this closed-source application pay the original owners of the codebase a certain set amount of money for the "right" to use the GPL'ed code in a close-source context? |
| 00:30.13 | peterS | CanadaMan: the GPL has nothing to do with your question |
| 00:30.31 | peterS | CanadaMan: you can always make other arrangements for use of someone's copyrighted code, in exchange for money or love or whatever |
| 00:30.53 | abrotman | i take love! |
| 00:30.57 | kamaraju | peterS: We need to do that? I thought ext2 or ext3 partition will be created automatically as we specify the partition type as 83. |
| 00:31.00 | black13 | abrotman i have squashfs patches fo linux 2.6.11 sources but i only have the linux. 2.6.10 source tree can the patch still be applied |
| 00:31.04 | peterS | CanadaMan: this becomes more difficult as a copyrighted work gets more coauthors. tracking them all down and getting them all to agree to the same terms can be a challenge |
| 00:31.12 | abrotman | black13: you can try |
| 00:31.18 | peterS | kamaraju: no, you still have to create the filesystem. mke2fs -j will do it |
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| 00:31.30 | black13 | abrotman into the void huh |
| 00:31.40 | abrotman | black13: sure .. why not |
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| 00:31.57 | PerfDave | CanadaMan: If I own the copyright on a piece of work, I can license it under the GPL to the world at large. I can *also* license it under whatever other terms I want to whomever else I want. |
| 00:32.10 | PerfDave | CanadaMan: There are lots of FAQs about this on http://www.gnu.org/ |
| 00:32.33 | abrotman | probably opensource.org too |
| 00:33.15 | PerfDave | abrotman: opensource.org isn't really about the GPL, they don't care about Freedom ;) |
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| 00:33.44 | chealer | gnu.org's GPL FAQ does cover the topic |
| 00:33.58 | kamaraju | peterS: Thanks. I am doing it now. |
| 00:34.10 | abrotman | PerfDave: that doesn't mean they won't have additional info |
| 00:34.51 | peterS | it's *more* likely that you'd find that sort of answer at OSI. it's the sort of arrangement they care more about than the FSF does |
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| 00:36.00 | peterS | abrotman: I don't even wear a pager |
| 00:36.11 | abrotman | peterS: why would you .. you never go anywhere :) |
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| 00:36.14 | kamaraju | peterS: Is there any way to know if a given partition has been mke2fsed or not? |
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| 00:36.16 | peterS | abrotman: exactly |
| 00:36.18 | black13 | abrotman what is the notice in README about initrd and cramfs about? |
| 00:36.32 | abrotman | black13: the cows ate all the initrd |
| 00:36.41 | abrotman | black13: which readme? |
| 00:36.44 | PerfDave | abrotman: *shrug* I'd consider gnu.org to be the canonical source of information about the GNU GPL ;) |
| 00:36.44 | peterS | kamaraju: you can try 'file -s /dev/sda7' |
| 00:36.55 | peterS | kamaraju: if that doesn't say, you can always just try mounting it |
| 00:36.57 | PerfDave | abrotman: And I happen to knoe that it's covered in the FAQs there ;) |
| 00:37.04 | abrotman | PerfDave: i doubt RMS would advocate licensing your software in a closed manner |
| 00:37.05 | black13 | /usr/shar/doc/kernel-package/README |
| 00:37.11 | black13 | /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README |
| 00:37.15 | abrotman | PerfDave: yes .. we already covered it's covered there |
| 00:37.29 | peterS | abrotman: the FSF in general seems quite happy with MySql AB |
| 00:37.55 | abrotman | peterS: only til they tweak thier crappy license again :) |
| 00:38.05 | abrotman | black13: which line? |
| 00:38.05 | kamaraju | peterS: mke2fs solution worked like a charm. Thank you very much. |
| 00:38.12 | chealer | probably more than Apache or PHP :/ |
| 00:38.14 | peterS | kamaraju: no problem |
| 00:38.27 | peterS | abrotman: I'm just sayin', that's what MySql does, and the FSF holds them up as a great example of how to make money from GPL software |
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| 00:38.37 | dieeasy | have I done something wrong or you just don't have time to answer me? (just to know if I can go on asking from time to time) |
| 00:38.42 | black13 | 62 |
| 00:38.47 | abrotman | peterS: release a crappy product? |
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| 00:38.48 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:38.52 | peterS | abrotman: yeah! |
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| 00:39.08 | abrotman | black13: your line 62 is different than mine |
| 00:39.14 | abrotman | peterS: sorry .. i don't care for mysql |
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| 00:39.29 | maher | dieeasy: maybe no one knows the answer to your question |
| 00:39.32 | abrotman | black13: section 4% ? |
| 00:39.33 | black13 | its at step 4% |
| 00:39.44 | [2D2D]Boneless | Hi, I think I screwed up today, forcing to install gcc-4.0, and now I get a lot of problems compiling kernel modules. How can I go back to 3.3? |
| 00:39.46 | zhulin | :-D |
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| 00:39.51 | peterS | abrotman: I don't either. I feel silly saying it since I rarely write any database-using software, so my experience is so limited, but everything I've ever heard about mysql makes me want to use postgres instead |
| 00:39.55 | black13 | abrotman yesir |
| 00:39.55 | abrotman | black13: should be prepatched fro you is what it is saying |
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| 00:40.16 | abrotman | peterS: and you should ... :) .. there's not a single reason to use mysql .. ever :) |
| 00:40.31 | dieeasy | maher: i like your point of view, I just didn't know what to do, thnx |
| 00:40.37 | peterS | [2D2D]Boneless: you can specify CC=gcc-3.3 in the toplevel kernel makefile, or similar places for external modules |
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| 00:40.57 | [2D2D]Boneless | peterS: ok, thanx |
| 00:41.03 | PerfDave | dieeasy: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 00:41.06 | PerfDave | dieeasy: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 00:41.09 | PerfDave | dieeasy: /msg dpkg further help |
| 00:41.12 | black13 | abrotman i am curious about what the initrd means i know what an intird is (its an intial ramdisk) but does this man ... you see i know what this means |
| 00:41.13 | mfrisch | anybody do contract work? I am to fix a cisco vpn. It is a ipv4 windows network and going to a ipv6. From what I understand the firewall is blocking the vpn. I know no more than that. HELP? |
| 00:41.13 | peterS | PerfDave: enough is enough |
| 00:41.24 | PerfDave | peterS: Sorry? |
| 00:41.33 | peterS | PerfDave: if you have to rate-limit your lines manually so debhelper doesn't kick you, you need to rethink the need to say them |
| 00:41.36 | abrotman | black13: you're missing too many letters for that statement to be coherent :) |
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| 00:41.59 | PerfDave | peterS: I'm not rate-limiting my lines, I'm trying to fucking help someone. I thought that's what #debian was about. |
| 00:41.59 | black13 | abrotman i am know to do that (not be coherrent) |
| 00:42.11 | peterS | PerfDave: you were botspamming |
| 00:42.24 | abrotman | black13: so try again :) |
| 00:42.31 | peterS | PerfDave: if a single factoid doesn't tell someone how to ask the right kinds of questions to get help in here, you should make one that does |
| 00:42.33 | PerfDave | peterS: No, I was responding to somebody's bloody questions, you muppet. |
| 00:42.43 | black13 | abrotman i want to use my own initial ramdisk |
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| 00:42.59 | PerfDave | peterS: Yeah, we should make factoids which contain every possible combination of factoids. Whatever. |
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| 00:43.21 | Xenguy | time to take 5 guys |
| 00:43.41 | peterS | PerfDave: the combination you sent the guy was hardly a unique situation |
| 00:43.46 | abrotman | black13: ok ... you want to use squashfs instead of cramfs ? |
| 00:43.55 | black13 | yes |
| 00:44.04 | peterS | it still didn't merit spamming the guy with third-party /msgs until he cried uncle |
| 00:44.06 | chealer | PerfDave: if it doesn't hold in one line, it's not Unix |
| 00:44.13 | PerfDave | peterS: Well, I don't recall giving somebody those three factoids at once before. If it happens to you a lot, perhaps you should make a factoid about it or something. |
| 00:44.20 | abrotman | black13: i think .. if i can find it .. a file in /etc/ will say which to use |
| 00:44.48 | PerfDave | peterS: There were three parts to what he was asking, I gave him a factoid to deal with each part. Are you finished yet? Because you're boring me. |
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| 00:45.18 | peterS | PerfDave: "are you finished yet? because you're boring me." what a self-referential thing to say. do you think that statement itself is not boring? get over yourself already |
| 00:45.31 | PerfDave | peterS: Oh, now you're just being fucking ludicrous *plonk* |
| 00:45.39 | peterS | thanks |
| 00:45.44 | black13 | abrotman the eventual goal is to talke the kernel i build and put it on boot cd ... the initial ramdisk and linuxrc will mount the /usr /lib from a squashfs image |
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| 00:46.24 | abrotman | black13: right .. but i'm looking for the file to specify ramfs type |
| 00:46.33 | Xenguy | peterS: honestly, I don't think I've ever seen PerfDave do anything besides try to be helpful -- why not say "point taken", and cut some slack at this point? |
| 00:46.34 | black13 | abrotman my congecture is that if i can make a kernel that can mount a squashfs image to an arbitray mount point ishould be ok |
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| 00:46.50 | black13 | abrotman cool cool no rush |
| 00:47.04 | peterS | Xenguy: I guess you missed where he started going wild telling someone all the dpkg factoids he ought to read |
| 00:47.11 | plugwash | i have apt-get configured with stable and unstable sources but configured to prefer stable |
| 00:47.21 | abrotman | black13: the /etc/mkinitrd might be useful |
| 00:47.31 | black13 | black13 finally got cable i was jonesing for adult swim |
| 00:47.49 | abrotman | black13: are you congratulating yourself on getting cable? |
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| 00:47.59 | black13 | yeah come over |
| 00:48.00 | plugwash | i have a self built version of the latest sid partimage/partimage-server installed (self built to get arround libc6 dependency) |
| 00:48.11 | black13 | lets watch bird man and get fried |
| 00:48.17 | abrotman | gah .. where's that stupid damn file |
| 00:48.22 | plugwash | yet apt still lists partimage and partimage-server as not upgraded |
| 00:48.43 | Xenguy | peterS: I saw 3, and I see your point, and hopefully it doesn't have to turn into a major issue :-) |
| 00:48.44 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Ask Jeeves! |
| 00:48.45 | peterS | plugwash: apparently you didn't install it as a package, you just did 'make install' or something |
| 00:49.02 | chealer | plugwash: which version is installed? |
| 00:49.06 | plugwash | no i built it with apt-get -b source and installed it with dpkg |
| 00:49.11 | peterS | Xenguy: fortunately he did the right thing and put me on ignore. I almost never put people on ignore, because it makes channel conversations look too disconnected |
| 00:49.20 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i should use dogpile |
| 00:49.28 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Lycos! |
| 00:49.28 | peterS | plugwash: and yet dpkg -l says it is the old version? |
| 00:49.32 | Lewoco | Why does the installer recommend running samba as a daemon instead of as an inet service? |
| 00:49.34 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: kartoo! |
| 00:49.44 | plugwash | dpkg says 0.6.4-12 is installed |
| 00:49.44 | peterS | Lewoco: because there's little reason to run it as an inetd service |
| 00:49.44 | dpkg | okay, plugwash |
| 00:49.46 | abrotman | Lewoco: depending on your needs .. it's a better setup |
| 00:49.50 | plugwash | which is the same as the version in sid |
| 00:49.50 | Xenguy | peterS: when I use /ignore, I usually do it for 30 minutes, and I include 'replies' -- seems to work most of the time |
| 00:49.53 | peterS | Lewoco: and for the nmbd component of it, it might even cause problems |
| 00:49.57 | abrotman | Lewoco: and most that use samba don't just use it occiasonally |
| 00:50.33 | chealer | plugwash: hum. how does apt "lists partimage and partimage-server as not upgraded"? |
| 00:50.39 | peterS | abrotman: I don't know how nmbd handles being run as an inetd process, but it has to keep a lot of persistent state - so you can't just have it run for a bit, then die, then start again. inetd makes no sense for nmbd. for smbd it could actually make sense |
| 00:50.59 | abrotman | peterS: IMO .. samba in inetd doesn't make sense at all :) |
| 00:51.05 | plugwash | chealer it puts them in the held back list and gives "2 not upgraded" in the figures |
| 00:51.12 | abrotman | peterS: but i use it in my office for heavy filesharing |
| 00:51.22 | peterS | abrotman: most things in inetd don't. but smbd at least should work without problems. nmbd, I don't know how it would. |
| 00:51.25 | black13 | abrotman pretty similar to what i do |
| 00:51.33 | black13 | the init scripts |
| 00:51.41 | chealer | plugwash: OK. I couldn't say whethere that's normal |
| 00:51.59 | abrotman | peterS: it may also depend on auth type .. i auth the users against the NT4 PDC .. which i'm sure generates more craptastic traffic :) |
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| 00:52.25 | abrotman | peterS: i just can't imagine running smbd out of inetd |
| 00:52.44 | TheMoebius | does resolvconf serve the same purpose as bind9? And also I have /etc/init.d/bind and /etc/init.d/bind9. Which one do I use for a nameserver? |
| 00:52.52 | peterS | abrotman: that's smbd. nmbd doesn't get into auth stuff at all. anyway, smbd shouldn't have much overhead for running from inetd, since it already rereads the config file like 2 or 3 times for every connection |
| 00:53.05 | peterS | it's insane |
| 00:53.06 | abrotman | peterS: i realize that .. but nmbd would suck badly :) |
| 00:53.09 | Xenguy | TheMoebius: bind9 is safer AFAIK |
| 00:53.22 | peterS | it doesn't even read smb.conf very efficiently. like, it has an O(n^2) algorithm for parsing it |
| 00:53.33 | abrotman | peterS: but i'm not sure how many smbd's get spawned say .. when you copy 300 files from the server to client or other share |
| 00:53.40 | black13 | is there any "easy" way to convert a cvs repository to subversion? |
| 00:53.40 | peterS | I guess this turns out never to be particularly significant, or something |
| 00:53.57 | peterS | abrotman: just one - the connection from client to server. copying the files all happens in the same TCP connection |
| 00:54.00 | abrotman | black13: the only file i can find it /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf |
| 00:54.10 | abrotman | peterS: in a sequential manner i suppose ? |
| 00:54.11 | Xenguy | black13: I thought I heard someone mention it is possible... |
| 00:54.28 | Xenguy | black13: but I don't remember details; google should know |
| 00:54.34 | peterS | abrotman: you can issue multiple commands at once, I think, but of course you're limited by your network speed in any case |
| 00:55.13 | abrotman | peterS: dunno . imagine 100 users .. all mounting shares .. moving files around etc ... writing/reading .. inetd makes little sense there |
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| 00:55.21 | black13 | abrotman baby steps on this it took me months to know how to use 2.4 ... i was a win32 programmer ... i dont care to go back |
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| 00:55.44 | abrotman | black13: eww .. VB6 sucks! |
| 00:55.45 | peterS | abrotman: right, if you have that many users, or even just one or two users, you'll have idle smb share connections alive pretty much all the time. that means smbd itself is alive the whole time |
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| 00:56.04 | peterS | ...which moots the main point of inetd |
| 00:56.09 | abrotman | peterS: yep |
| 00:56.20 | black13 | yes vb6 suck pretty much all of vb anything stank even the other win32 programmers think it stinks |
| 00:56.51 | black13 | i worked for a company that made voting machines based on vb6 it was a nightmare |
| 00:57.10 | abrotman | peterS: honestly . i'm really not sure why it's an option at all .. oh well |
| 00:57.17 | abrotman | black13: not for PA i hope |
| 00:57.23 | black13 | for texas |
| 00:57.32 | peterS | abrotman: RFC 1001, referring to the reliability of Windows networking clients: "An explicit name deletion function is specified, so that applications may remove a name. Implicit name deletion occurs when a station ceases operation. In the case of personal computers, implicit name deletion is a frequent occurrence." |
| 00:57.47 | black13 | well actually it was base in texas but for west virginia |
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| 00:58.22 | peterS | abrotman: I like how they put it. "implicit name deletion is a frequent occurrence." translation: PCs crash all the time without properly shutting down the network stack |
| 00:58.29 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:58.42 | abrotman | just wrong |
| 00:58.57 | black13 | what i am doing with debian/linux is i want ot make kiosks slotmachines or voting machines |
| 00:59.18 | peterS | well, fortunately RFC 1001 makes provisions for this, so you don't have phantom computers in your Network Neighborhood forever - they expire |
| 00:59.20 | chealer | I followed an optional class about computer science in college. when it started I learned it was a VB6 class |
| 00:59.40 | chealer | the strange thing is I'm going in computer science at university after that |
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| 01:00.04 | abrotman | peterS: yeah .. but i realized the other day .. computers with domain accounts .. *never* expire :) |
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| 01:00.15 | black13 | the best thing i ever did was take a class in assembly and digital logic |
| 01:00.24 | abrotman | peterS: i tried to scan the domain .. and it threw errors all over about computers not existing |
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| 01:00.53 | smagy2 | hello folks, by mistake i set a raiddisk to be faulty. by using raidsetfaulty. i am using software raid. how do i undo it ? |
| 01:00.53 | peterS | abrotman: right, the domain controller has a list of everyone joined to the domain. if you consult that list, it'll include all machines whether they're on the net right now or not |
| 01:00.56 | abrotman | black13: doesn't every compsci take those ? |
| 01:01.06 | peterS | abrotman: so it depends on how you get your list of machines |
| 01:01.08 | abrotman | peterS: yeah .. i need to clean up the list |
| 01:01.28 | linoleum | why the composite and transset package are not in sid?? because there is already xorg ... |
| 01:01.33 | tengulre | hi,all!! |
| 01:01.47 | peterS | abrotman: yeah. Server Manager lets you delete machines. or if you're using samba you delete the 'machine$' user from /etc/passwd or ldap or whatever |
| 01:01.48 | abrotman | linoleum: i think they're broken .. read gravity's blog |
| 01:01.57 | black13 | abrotman i have found it the most useful |
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| 01:02.17 | abrotman | peterS: our PDC is an NT4 box .. |
| 01:02.19 | peterS | umm, I mean, Server Manger in Windows NT 4. I forget where you have to go in Windows 2000 |
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| 01:02.41 | abrotman | Computer Management or some crap |
| 01:02.44 | foXgamer2 | hi all. Can anyone help with repositories? |
| 01:03.07 | abrotman | foXgamer2: they hurt .. i usually avoid the doctor when i know that's going to happen |
| 01:03.10 | apula | |
| 01:03.21 | foXgamer2 | lol |
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| 01:03.58 | shingouz | abrotman: you sure you do not need caffeine? |
| 01:04.10 | abrotman | linoleum: http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/17763.html |
| 01:04.14 | abrotman | shingouz: why? |
| 01:04.18 | laserite | hi all! do u need where's ssl apache2 module in debian?? |
| 01:04.20 | foXgamer2 | what I need is somewhere that lists stable repositories. The one's I have are rough |
| 01:04.21 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:04.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:04.30 | abrotman | laserite: it's already there |
| 01:04.34 | shingouz | abrotman: your sarcasm is showing :) |
| 01:04.38 | laserite | aaaah, ok abrotman |
| 01:04.39 | abrotman | foXgamer2: apt-setup |
| 01:04.48 | laserite | abrotman, and also php4 for worker prefork? |
| 01:05.06 | servus | If u is Dutch for 'you', what is dood? : o) |
| 01:05.09 | abrotman | laserite: afaik .. php4 only works with one worker model |
| 01:05.16 | abrotman | servus: we know .. shut up |
| 01:05.29 | laserite | abrotman, php4 module package in debian is for prefork |
| 01:05.35 | laserite | is there anytnig for worker? |
| 01:05.36 | abrotman | laserite: ok .. then what? |
| 01:05.37 | rob_lt | I'm about to setup a laptop to dual boot XP and debian. I'd like to have a big shared partition, but I'm not sure what I should format it as. What is the best filesystem for interoperability between linux and windows? |
| 01:05.48 | abrotman | servus: sorry .. misread .. carry on :) |
| 01:05.51 | foXgamer2 | what does that do abrotman? says command not found |
| 01:05.52 | servus | Golly. |
| 01:05.57 | laserite | abrotman, then if i have worker prefork i can't install php4 module |
| 01:06.00 | mfrisch | vfat |
| 01:06.01 | abrotman | foXgamer2: be root |
| 01:06.19 | foXgamer2 | still no |
| 01:06.20 | abrotman | laserite: install the one libapache2-mod-php4 works with |
| 01:06.26 | abrotman | servus: i said sorry :) |
| 01:06.39 | abrotman | foXgamer2: are you using ubuntu or mepis or knoppix ? |
| 01:06.40 | laserite | abrotman, is prefork better than worker? |
| 01:06.49 | abrotman | dunno .. i use php4 .. so i don't ahve a choice |
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| 01:06.55 | foXgamer2 | mepis abrotman |
| 01:06.59 | abrotman | !depends libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 01:07.01 | abrotman | !mepis |
| 01:07.01 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 01:07.03 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php4: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libkrb53 (>= 1.3.2), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.7, libzzip-0-12 (>= 0.12.83), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), mime-support (>= 2.03-1), apache2-mpm-prefork (>> 2.0.52), php4-common (= 4:4.4.0-1), libmagic1 |
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| 01:07.18 | abrotman | foXgamer2: ask #mepis |
| 01:07.25 | abrotman | foXgamer2: or install debian :) |
| 01:07.39 | foXgamer2 | okay. will do. thanks. I was thinking about installing that :) |
| 01:07.41 | mfrisch | abrotman mepis thats new |
| 01:07.51 | abrotman | !d-i foXgamer2 |
| 01:07.52 | dpkg | foXgamer2, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:07.54 | tengulre | when it runnig 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8' I interrupt it,so how to starting next time? |
| 01:07.55 | abrotman | mfrisch: huh? |
| 01:07.59 | rob_lt | would vfat be the appropriate filesystem type? |
| 01:08.05 | abrotman | tengulre: same way |
| 01:08.13 | mfrisch | abrotman haven't heard of it |
| 01:08.33 | abrotman | rob_lt: yes .. it is .. but if they are laptop restore disks .. you might not have a choice |
| 01:08.42 | abrotman | mfrisch: been around .. 3 years maybe |
| 01:09.01 | tengulre | abrotman, but it can't, it give me some message like '--fix-missing?...' |
| 01:09.02 | foXgamer2 | I will look into that. Thank you :) |
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| 01:09.24 | abrotman | tengulre: so do what it tells you :) |
| 01:09.34 | rob_lt | abrotman, nope, I have an XP Pro install CD. |
| 01:09.36 | dan2 | ~test |
| 01:09.36 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 01:09.38 | dan2 | !test |
| 01:09.38 | dpkg | Yes, dan2, you're still online. |
| 01:09.48 | dan2 | whats up with the bots |
| 01:09.51 | dan2 | abrotman: test! |
| 01:09.55 | abrotman | rob_lt: i'm still not sure you can |
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| 01:10.05 | tengulre | abrotman, monitor!!;) |
| 01:10.09 | abrotman | dan2: I'm sorry, your penis is my ear, I can't hear you... |
| 01:10.18 | abrotman | tengulre: ? |
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| 01:10.39 | abrotman | dan2: oddly enough .. that was how we told my little bro to get a girl pregnant |
| 01:10.43 | rob_lt | abrotman, can't windows mount a partition. I'm also confused as to fat32 vs vfat... which would be better. |
| 01:10.49 | dan2 | abrotman: hahaha |
| 01:11.04 | abrotman | rob_lt: linux has issues writing to ntfs .. keep it vfat/fat32 if you can |
| 01:11.06 | dan2 | abrotman: where's your govt friend |
| 01:11.19 | abrotman | dan2: oh wait .. he's online .. what am i asking him again? |
| 01:11.24 | dan2 | abrotman: ID |
| 01:11.29 | dan2 | abrotman: I need an ID! |
| 01:11.44 | abrotman | dan2: use your kindergarten ID! |
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| 01:12.51 | dan2 | abrotman: can he get me some sort of govt issued ID? |
| 01:13.07 | tengulre | I want to building a server, which os 's performance is best! Redhat,Debian,Gentoo,FreeBSD,OpenBSD....? |
| 01:13.23 | abrotman | dan2: i'm asking .. i think he might be napping |
| 01:13.24 | dan2 | tengulre: Gentoo, get a clue |
| 01:13.28 | dan2 | ;) |
| 01:13.34 | abrotman | dan2: gov't workers work hard .. all day |
| 01:13.47 | abrotman | tengulre: test them all |
| 01:13.48 | dan2 | abrotman: .& drinking |
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| 01:14.01 | abrotman | dan2: not him .. he's cleaner than a 5 year old |
| 01:14.04 | dondelelcaro | tengulre: depends on what your server is doing; regardless, you're probably going to find that the key metric isn't performance, but admin time. |
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| 01:14.13 | dan2 | abrotman: and he, uhh, gets to work at noon right |
| 01:14.13 | abrotman | tengulre: try them all .. and publish the results of course |
| 01:14.13 | dan2 | ;) |
| 01:14.21 | abrotman | dan2: video game junkie :) |
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| 01:15.33 | tengulre | abrotman,I argree u, but I 'm afraid I have not enough times! ;) |
| 01:15.36 | foXgamer2 | I think I will install debian, but quick question first. Am I right in guessing that as mepis is debian based, debian itself will be compatible with my wireless network? |
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| 01:15.56 | mwilson | foXgamer2: Define "compatible". |
| 01:16.03 | abrotman | tengulre: then use the one you are most familiar with |
| 01:16.13 | abrotman | foXgamer2: which wifi card? |
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| 01:16.30 | foXgamer2 | well, I have several versions of linux here, and mepis was the first to actually register that there was a wireless network and set it up |
| 01:16.32 | tengulre | abrotman, yeah! |
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| 01:17.11 | Lewoco | Which ftp server should I use? |
| 01:17.15 | abrotman | foXgamer2: which wifi card |
| 01:17.19 | abrotman | Lewoco: the one you want to |
| 01:17.21 | Quinn_Storm | hey guys, I'm currently trying to google on the subject as well (in links), but I was wondering if someone here had pointers to debian-specific docs or could help me out. I want to create a network bridge to replace functionality I used to use windows for, from my wireless card to my local ethernet. I have the wireless and ethernet card both set up properly by themselves. |
| 01:17.22 | mwilson | foXgamer2: So you don't mean "compatible", which any Linux distribution would be, you mean "automatically set it up for me." |
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| 01:17.31 | tengulre | abrotman, debian can not? |
| 01:17.47 | tengulre | abrotman, my mean for server! |
| 01:17.48 | abrotman | tengulre: cannot what? |
| 01:17.57 | abrotman | what is your primary language ? |
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| 01:18.08 | tengulre | CHINESE |
| 01:18.24 | foXgamer2 | bt voyager. and I don't mind having to set it up as long as it can be done if that makes sense. |
| 01:18.37 | abrotman | foXgamer2: broadcom ? |
| 01:18.42 | foXgamer2 | yeah |
| 01:18.52 | Quinn_Storm | installing bridge-utils now, trying to figure it out myself, but I'll ask if I run into trouble |
| 01:18.59 | abrotman | foXgamer2: you may have to use uhm .. that thing .. that uses windows drivers ... |
| 01:19.10 | Quinn_Storm | I'm just quite impressed by ndiswrapper....it is more stable and workable than the same drivers under windows |
| 01:19.11 | abrotman | shingouz: no .. no caffiene needed ... |
| 01:19.14 | foXgamer2 | diswrapper? |
| 01:19.17 | abrotman | yeah |
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| 01:19.48 | foXgamer2 | hmmm. definately sounds intriguing :) |
| 01:19.55 | shingouz | abrotman: <sips coke> you sure? caffeine is good for you |
| 01:20.04 | mwilson | I suppose someone should ask the obvious question... if you have something that does what you want, and what you need it to do, why in the world are you trying to replace it with something else? |
| 01:20.04 | jdhutchin1 | ndiswrapper doesn't work perfectly though, and can randomly crash like windows drivers to |
| 01:20.20 | jdhutchin1 | your best bet is to find a card that linux actually supports |
| 01:20.21 | Quinn_Storm | heh, well it wasn't random crashes but startup issues that bothered me in windows |
| 01:20.26 | Quinn_Storm | I had to reset the driver on each reboot |
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| 01:20.41 | abrotman | shingouz: i blame the women |
| 01:20.48 | jkaufman | shingouz: well actualy, about 10 grams of it will kill the averaged size human, so it depends how much caffeine your talking about :) |
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| 01:20.57 | abrotman | mwilson: because he's asking questinos here about mepis :) |
| 01:20.58 | mwilson | I've met more fools who replace (A), which works, with (B), which does not... and then whine hysterically about (B), rather than just using (A). |
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| 01:21.05 | jkaufman | err, why did i throw a d in there... *average |
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| 01:21.20 | shingouz | jkaufman: i am bigger than your average human, i do not think 10g is enough :) |
| 01:21.41 | abrotman | i can do it! |
| 01:21.50 | jkaufman | shingouz: well 10g is more than enugh to make you sick, and some perm damage |
| 01:22.01 | mfrisch | you can do it |
| 01:22.03 | buu | shingouz: Go try it and let us know how it works |
| 01:22.06 | jkaufman | but i still suggest taking less than 5g a day ;p |
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| 01:22.18 | buu | jkaufman: Join me! |
| 01:22.20 | abrotman | but they don't show how much on your soda! |
| 01:22.21 | jkaufman | oh and caffeine pills... bad idea |
| 01:22.34 | abrotman | join doing what? |
| 01:22.35 | buu | jkaufman: I'm petitioning #perl for more jews. |
| 01:22.44 | jkaufman | abrotman: in a coke theres about 250mg of it |
| 01:22.47 | Quinn_Storm | brb |
| 01:22.50 | abrotman | how do you know jkaufman is jewish ? |
| 01:22.52 | jkaufman | atleast thats what i remember |
| 01:22.57 | jkaufman | i'm Jewish lol |
| 01:23.01 | buu | abrotman: A) I'm all knowing B) He's already in #perl |
| 01:23.03 | foXgamer2 | caffiene: Can't live with it. Definately can't live without it. |
| 01:23.03 | mfrisch | jkaufman per/ml? |
| 01:23.03 | rking | abrotman: last name? |
| 01:23.04 | servus | mwilson: Like when people try to get mingw/msys working on Windows when they have a perfectly working VC7 installation already? |
| 01:23.05 | abrotman | how do we know buu is jewish ? |
| 01:23.08 | jkaufman | i'm not in #perl |
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| 01:23.14 | abrotman | rking: doesn't mean squat anymore |
| 01:23.15 | buu | jkaufman: Why not? |
| 01:23.23 | TheMoebius | I'm trying to reboot by debian box. It says its going down for reboot now, but it doesn't go down |
| 01:23.24 | jkaufman | fine now i'm in #perl |
| 01:23.46 | TheMoebius | most of the services have stopped, but I'm still logged in by ssh. How can I find out whats stopping it? |
| 01:23.47 | buu | Hurray. |
| 01:24.03 | jkaufman | and abrotman: Kaufman is fairly obvious that its a Jewish name :) |
| 01:24.06 | abrotman | and i don't understand why a channel about perl would require more any specific religon |
| 01:24.10 | abrotman | jkaufman: mine isn't |
| 01:24.19 | jkaufman | hehe yeah it is |
| 01:24.25 | abrotman | that said .. i had a barmitzvah and i was baptised |
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| 01:24.31 | jazzka | hi! |
| 01:24.35 | jkaufman | hi! |
| 01:24.35 | abrotman | jkaufman: i don't think it is |
| 01:24.39 | mwilson | servus: I wouldn't know. |
| 01:24.45 | abrotman | jkaufman: i know a few others with same name that aren't |
| 01:24.46 | buu | abrotman: It doesn't. |
| 01:24.47 | mwilson | servus: I don't have VC. |
| 01:24.57 | jazzka | where can I change the maximum frequency for a given resolution? which file? |
| 01:24.57 | jkaufman | abrotman: sounds like a Jewish name, infact i know a few people named Brotman who are Jewish |
| 01:25.04 | servus | Well, it's easier for a newbie to set up than mingw/msys :) |
| 01:25.12 | TheMoebius | ahh it was apache2. had to force kill it |
| 01:25.13 | abrotman | jkaufman: yes .. they are probably all my relatives from baltimore/jersey :) |
| 01:25.16 | jkaufman | mwilson: what do you think, does Brotman sound jewish? |
| 01:25.25 | mwilson | servus: Why in the world is a "newbie" doing either one? |
| 01:25.47 | jkaufman | abrotman: funny you should mension it, i beleive i know someone by the name of brotman in jersey |
| 01:25.49 | mwilson | jkaufman: No idea. |
| 01:25.49 | jkaufman | not sure though |
| 01:25.58 | jkaufman | mwilson: ok =) |
| 01:26.16 | mwilson | jkaufman: I really couldn't care less what religion someone professes, as long as they don't profess it at me. |
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| 01:26.26 | abrotman | jkaufman: it's not even my family name .. that side of my family was russian .. and the last name wasn't remotely similar |
| 01:26.29 | foXgamer2 | right guys, download nearly finished so I am going to go. Thanks for your help. May be back! |
| 01:26.35 | tengulre | I think debian only adapt to desk environment and that gentoo adapt to server environment! is it? |
| 01:26.44 | servus | mwilson: He's a glutton for punishment. |
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| 01:26.47 | azahid_ | how can i edit PDF file? |
| 01:26.49 | abrotman | kill kill kill |
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| 01:27.03 | jkaufman | abrotman: nop, not brotman, its Goodman that i know from jersey |
| 01:27.03 | servus | Just making a note of it. |
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| 01:27.27 | abrotman | jkaufman: yeah .. it wouldnt' matter anyways .. i don't talk to any of them anymore |
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| 01:27.37 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@52.133-pool-xdsl-mi.sccoast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:27.37 | nite613 | tengulre: It's not that simple. Really it's a matter of preference |
| 01:27.39 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:27.41 | twb | Hey, how can I list packages in order of installed size? |
| 01:27.44 | debian-san | I'm trying to resize /usr partition of a debian machine remotely (via ssh). I have the following problem : To resize /usr partition, I have to unmount it. To unmount it, I would apparently need to kill sshd... Obviously, if I do that, I cannot do anything else. Any ideas? |
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| 01:28.10 | dondelelcaro | twb: with grep-available+sort |
| 01:28.18 | abrotman | debian-san: resize via LVM ? |
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| 01:28.34 | nite613 | tengulre: I use debian exclusively for both my personal desktops and servers. I also run several commercial servers on Debian. It does both really well |
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| 01:28.43 | twb | dondelelcaro: I'm really only familiar with aptitude... could I have more detail please? |
| 01:28.49 | debian-san | dondelelcaro, LVM? |
| 01:29.02 | abrotman | debian-san: resize via LVM ? |
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| 01:29.52 | debian-san | I don't know LVM. I found a website on the subject. I will check that. Thanks. |
| 01:29.59 | abrotman | debian-san: wait |
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| 01:30.11 | chealer | twb: click "Size" in Installed packages state in synaptic |
| 01:30.22 | Kerr | Is there a script/app that can archive an entire site and it's contents? |
| 01:30.30 | abrotman | wget |
| 01:30.37 | twb | chealer: I'm on the console. I have no X. |
| 01:31.01 | abrotman | debian-san: are you trying to resize or move to a new partition ? |
| 01:31.59 | debian-san | abrotman, I want to make /usr larger. |
| 01:32.06 | exobyte | offhand, does anyone know the part number of a maxim 3.3v ttl rs-232 level converter? |
| 01:32.30 | Kerr | abrotman: -r only gets one page and it's contents |
| 01:32.33 | abrotman | debian-san: yes .. and how will you do that ? |
| 01:32.37 | abrotman | exobyte: 3 |
| 01:32.45 | abrotman | Kerr: read the whole man page |
| 01:32.47 | exobyte | abrotman: smartass |
| 01:33.07 | abrotman | exobyte: google ? |
| 01:33.19 | abrotman | Kerr: i know it does it .. i've used it .. but not in a long long time |
| 01:33.21 | debian-san | abrotman, I will have to reduce /var, move /home and then make /usr bigger. I wanted to do that using parted. |
| 01:33.30 | abrotman | since before those bastards at HFA shut down olga |
| 01:33.38 | Phated | exobyte: max232 |
| 01:33.39 | exobyte | abrotman: the part numbers all start was max |
| 01:33.47 | dondelelcaro | grep-status -FStatus -n -s Installed-Size,Package 'install ok installed'|perl -pe 'chomp; print $_ ne q()?q( ):qq(\n)'|sort -n -r|less |
| 01:33.48 | exobyte | Phated: 5v |
| 01:33.49 | mwilson | exobyte: You mean a MAX232? |
| 01:33.50 | dondelelcaro | twb: ^^^ |
| 01:33.51 | abrotman | debian-san: uhm .. i don't think you can do that remotely :) |
| 01:34.03 | debian-san | abrotman, That's what I thought. |
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| 01:34.09 | exobyte | mwilson: see right above your's, but yeah |
| 01:34.10 | abrotman | or rather debian-san .. i wouldn't want to attempt it |
| 01:34.16 | debian-san | abrotman, :-) |
| 01:34.31 | abrotman | debian-san: if you stick around a bit .. some daring soul might aid you |
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| 01:34.44 | debian-san | abrotman, It's ok, I will wait until I get physical access to the machine. |
| 01:34.58 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 01:35.10 | abrotman | debian-san: is /usr all one .. there's no /usr/lib etc? |
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| 01:35.28 | debian-san | abrotman, I have to wait one month. /usr all in one. |
| 01:35.39 | abrotman | debian-san: deborphan might help you clean up a bit |
| 01:35.46 | abrotman | !tell debian-san about deborphan |
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| 01:36.36 | dondelelcaro | twb: man grep-status; man sort; |
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| 01:36.48 | debian-san | abrotman, It's already clean. The partition is just too small now that I have upgraded to sarge. Its size is 464 MB. |
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| 01:37.16 | abrotman | debian-san: yeah .. that is kind of small |
| 01:37.17 | dondelelcaro | woodland: please don't run random CTCP commands against people. |
| 01:37.40 | abrotman | he did it the other day too |
| 01:37.43 | woodland | don, what did i do |
| 01:37.50 | dondelelcaro | woodland: woodland [i=rahul@s28046213.temp.wsu.edu] requested unknown CTCP ACTION from #debian: |
| 01:37.50 | debian-san | abrotman, 24 MB left... Pretty tight. |
| 01:38.04 | abrotman | debian-san: you could move/ln /usr/share/doc somewhere ? |
| 01:38.12 | dondelelcaro | woodland: in other words, your client has issues. |
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| 01:38.27 | abrotman | wasn't there a rahul here a long time ago ? |
| 01:38.28 | woodland | what client, what issues ? |
| 01:38.40 | debian-san | abrotman, du -h /usr/doc gives 4.0k |
| 01:38.43 | dvs | woodland: your chat client |
| 01:38.47 | abrotman | debian-san: /usr/share/doc |
| 01:38.53 | dondelelcaro | woodland: your IRC client. It shouldn't be doing that. Either fix it, or switch to a real IRC client. |
| 01:39.12 | woodland | i am new to linux, dont know much, if there r problems let me know |
| 01:39.18 | abrotman | !tell woodland about r |
| 01:39.22 | abrotman | woodland: what is your irc client ? |
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| 01:39.35 | debian-san | abrotman, this would give me 39 MB. Not bad. |
| 01:39.44 | abrotman | debian-san: 39 more? |
| 01:39.51 | deadcat | somebody kick/band woodland. this is NOT his first time |
| 01:39.52 | Anders | would it be recommended if i downloaded glibc, compiled it with lots of optimisations? |
| 01:39.54 | Anders | i mean |
| 01:39.58 | Anders | so most apps run faster |
| 01:40.00 | woodland | i have ksirc |
| 01:40.04 | debian-san | abrotman, yes. |
| 01:40.05 | deadcat | woodland: so. |
| 01:40.10 | abrotman | i've never seen ksirc do that |
| 01:40.13 | abrotman | wait .. i don't run that crap |
| 01:40.21 | abrotman | debian-san: ah ok .. sounds like something you could try |
| 01:40.26 | deadcat | woodland: i have mirc and you dont see me bitching about it |
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| 01:40.48 | debian-san | abrotman, Yeah, it will buy me some time until I get physical access to the machine, thanks. |
| 01:40.51 | abrotman | deadcat: why? |
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| 01:41.01 | woodland | i am not doing anything here, i am new, i am myself confused |
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| 01:41.33 | abrotman | right ... |
| 01:42.28 | foo | Ok, I made a custom kernel and for some reason I can't get the pcmcia card working. I try to bring up eth1 (wifi card) and get eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device. Weird, though, because cardctl shows the card in socket 1. Any ideas? |
| 01:42.42 | woodland | is there some problem with my IRC client |
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| 01:43.00 | fgsfds | ^^ |
| 01:43.07 | deadcat | abrotman: joke. |
| 01:43.09 | fgsfds | [B |
| 01:43.24 | abrotman | fgsfds: are you ok? |
| 01:43.24 | greyson | woodland: No... irc's a very different culture than other online chatting. |
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| 01:43.43 | Guerin | greyson: well ... irc on freenode is |
| 01:43.53 | deadcat | hes not new. i;ve seen him here for a long time. also in #gentoo when i go there for quick question |
| 01:44.31 | mfrisch | deadcat you use gentoo?!? |
| 01:45.00 | tengulre | how to install package '.deb'? |
| 01:45.11 | abrotman | tengulre: man dpkg |
| 01:45.17 | woodland | anyway, i have installed kernel 2.6 for me sarge, and when i boot in 2.6 i cant access net, right now i am boot in 2.4 |
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| 01:45.39 | Quinn_Storm | I've been rtfm-ing for a while and haven't been able to find an answer...trying to bridge wlan0 to eth0, and make wlan0 the default interface. Right now the bridge will come up but won't redirect traffic from the ethernet side to the wlan side |
| 01:45.54 | greyson | woodland: What's the ethernet card that you have? |
| 01:46.00 | deadcat | mfrisch: no. but sometimes no one here know the answer and its ppc stuff. |
| 01:46.02 | woodland | realtek |
| 01:46.15 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: i've seen those docs .. somewhere .. let me look |
| 01:46.26 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: thanks, I've looked through all the bridge-utils stuff to no avail |
| 01:46.30 | mfrisch | deadcat kidding ;-) |
| 01:46.36 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: you read the bridging howto? |
| 01:46.36 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: I know my card will bridge on windows so I know its possible |
| 01:46.40 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: yep |
| 01:46.47 | greyson | Quinn_Storm: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 01:46.50 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: oh .. that's what i was going to look for |
| 01:46.54 | Quinn_Storm | greyson: ok, I'll give that a shot |
| 01:46.55 | greyson | Quinn_Storm: might be it. |
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| 01:47.18 | alistair | hey guys :D |
| 01:47.19 | Quinn_Storm | hmm no change from that echo |
| 01:47.36 | Quinn_Storm | still can't get ahold of machines beyond this box from the eth0 side of the network |
| 01:47.40 | deadcat | mfrisch: i dont like spending time compiling when theres a perfectly fine binary to use (= |
| 01:47.49 | alistair | =] |
| 01:48.00 | Quinn_Storm | yet both sides of the network can reach -to- this box at the same ip address, so obviously the bridge is up |
| 01:48.24 | jdhutchin1 | what iptables rules do you have / do you need, Quinn_Storm? |
| 01:48.32 | alistair | say Which player has all the codecs and is great to use? :D |
| 01:48.38 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: but both nics respond to pings from thier respective sides ? |
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| 01:48.47 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: yes, they di |
| 01:48.50 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: do^ |
| 01:48.57 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: in fact I'm online with the wlan0 nic here now |
| 01:49.09 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: i'd go back .. double check . i suspect oyu missed some silly option somewhere |
| 01:49.17 | greyson | Quinn_Storm: that really does sound like a forwarding problem -- I had the same thing going on when I was installing OpenVPN... |
| 01:49.21 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: I've tried, triple-checked... |
| 01:49.29 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: http://openvpn.net/archive/openvpn-users/2003-06/msg00033.html ? |
| 01:49.35 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, looking now... |
| 01:49.40 | Quinn_Storm | waiting for gpm to install so I can c/p that |
| 01:49.42 | Quinn_Storm | in console mode |
| 01:49.47 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-bridge-fw.en.html |
| 01:50.16 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: if you google for "Debian Bridging" you'll get those results |
| 01:50.28 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: ah, I did debian "network bridge" heh |
| 01:50.38 | alistair | open up your router in your browser and do it there. |
| 01:50.44 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: yeah .. google will screw you that way :) |
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| 01:51.15 | alistair | Hmm, on certain audio discs i can here audio and on some i cant.. any recomendations? |
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| 01:51.46 | Quinn_Storm | ok, I don't know much about iptables...the second one looks like it has the info but I don't really know what I'd be doing... |
| 01:52.02 | rixth | Hi, could someone be so kind to ping me and tell me the result? |
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| 01:52.06 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: which? the debian manual one or the openvpn thingie ? |
| 01:52.10 | abrotman | !ping rixth |
| 01:52.10 | Quinn_Storm | the debian manual page |
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| 01:52.22 | abrotman | rixth: !ping |
| 01:52.26 | abrotman | themolester: turn that off |
| 01:52.34 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 01:52.43 | rixth | !ping |
| 01:52.43 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:52.52 | alistair | !ping |
| 01:52.58 | frest0n | i am having a problem with Debian package manager |
| 01:53.02 | alistair | >:D |
| 01:53.04 | frest0n | it dumps core on my 386/sx15 |
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| 01:53.12 | alistair | :D |
| 01:53.16 | alistair | Hmm, on certain audio discs i can here audio and on some i cant.. any recomendations? |
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| 01:53.20 | alistair | Hmm, on certain audio discs i can here audio and on some i cant.. any recomendations? |
| 01:53.23 | alistair | Hmm, on certain audio discs i can here audio and on some i cant.. any recomendations? |
| 01:53.23 | rixth | But I'm looking for a time in milliseconds (probably seconds, haha) |
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| 01:53.25 | alistair | Hmm, on certain audio discs i can here audio and on some i cant.. any recomendations? |
| 01:53.26 | abrotman | that was quick |
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| 01:53.39 | abrotman | !tell alistair about repeat |
| 01:53.44 | abrotman | whoops |
| 01:53.45 | dvs | too late |
| 01:53.51 | mfrisch | !ping |
| 01:53.51 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:53.53 | abrotman | maybe he got it anyways :) |
| 01:54.00 | azahid_ | how can i edit a pdf file? |
| 01:54.09 | dondelelcaro | azahid_: with a text editor if you want. |
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| 01:54.32 | mfrisch | azahid_ cut and paste into ooo |
| 01:54.33 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, time to look at the other page |
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| 01:54.50 | azahid_ | i don't think it will keep the format |
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| 01:55.15 | azahid_ | what if i want to save the changes as a pdf also |
| 01:55.17 | anthony_ | Hello, where can I download the debian ISO? |
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| 01:55.30 | abrotman | !d-i anthony_ |
| 01:55.31 | dpkg | anthony_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:55.54 | mfrisch | azahid_ kword supports pdf, but ooo does too |
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| 01:56.34 | azahid_ | i tried kword it does not work very well |
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| 01:57.01 | anthony_ | Okay |
| 01:57.07 | xerophyte | http://debian.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ why is there so many iso ? |
| 01:57.10 | anthony_ | Is this OS as hard as everyone says it is to install? |
| 01:57.12 | azahid_ | does not always keep the original format |
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| 01:57.21 | dvs | xerophyte: That's how big it is. |
| 01:57.24 | Quinn_Storm | argh ok, iptables doesn't appear to be the answer... |
| 01:57.26 | abrotman | xerophyte: the 14 are the full ISOs |
| 01:57.27 | mfrisch | azahid_ What was the pdf originaly? |
| 01:57.29 | Xenguy | anthony_: much better now |
| 01:57.34 | dvs | anthony_: Not anymore |
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| 01:57.47 | azahid_ | it was a pdf form |
| 01:57.50 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: lartc.org and netfilter.org also might have answers .. there was a guy here the other day who said he got it working in 10 minutes |
| 01:57.58 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: and of course not here now :) |
| 01:58.08 | azahid_ | i want to fill the form |
| 01:58.11 | Quinn_Storm | lol |
| 01:58.16 | azahid_ | and save it as a pdf |
| 01:58.31 | greyson | Quinn_Storm: you should be able to do it just with route add |
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| 01:58.45 | greyson | Quinn_Storm: if you're familiar with it... |
| 01:58.46 | mfrisch | azahid_ have you tried acroread? |
| 01:59.04 | Quinn_Storm | greyson: hmm? how do you use route add to do a bridge? I mean the bridge virtualizes the eth0 and wlan0, so all routes point to br0 |
| 01:59.09 | xerophyte | abrotman, what do i need for basic server install? |
| 01:59.17 | azahid_ | can it edit . i thought it is only for viewing |
| 01:59.38 | abrotman | !d-i xerophyte |
| 01:59.38 | anthony_ | for a basic install |
| 01:59.38 | greyson | Quinn_Storm: Ah... bridges in particular -- sorry.. I forgot that aspect. |
| 01:59.39 | dpkg | xerophyte, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:59.41 | anthony_ | what would I download? |
| 01:59.47 | mfrisch | azahid_ never had to try... |
| 02:00.02 | azahid_ | ok |
| 02:00.03 | dvs | anthony_: It depends if you want to keep a set of CDs |
| 02:00.06 | abrotman | anthony_: you have broadband ? |
| 02:00.13 | Quinn_Storm | greyson: yeah if it wasn't a bridge it wouldn't matter, but I need it to be a bridge because of how my network is set up |
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| 02:00.26 | anthony_ | yes |
| 02:00.29 | anthony_ | I got broadband |
| 02:00.33 | anthony_ | I just need to install it as a server |
| 02:00.34 | abrotman | anthony_: get the netinst image |
| 02:00.37 | anthony_ | so the basic cd would do |
| 02:00.47 | anthony_ | whats that do? |
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| 02:00.51 | greyson | Quinn_Storm: Ugh -- sorry, haven't bridged since '96 |
| 02:00.55 | dvs | anthony_: One CD is the minimum you need. |
| 02:01.03 | abrotman | anthony_: installs minimal .. then grags the rest from the internet |
| 02:01.13 | dvs | grags? |
| 02:01.17 | Quinn_Storm | heh |
| 02:01.20 | abrotman | my contacts are wonky damn you! |
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| 02:01.26 | abrotman | shingouz: i need more caffiene! |
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| 02:02.12 | mfrisch | I am trying to quit caffeine and AHAHAHAH |
| 02:02.25 | anthony_ | would i need i386? |
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| 02:02.37 | omen | Has anybody ever mounted a ntfs filesystem , been able to cd into the dir and view the cd's, but not been able to load up the mp3's? |
| 02:02.41 | abrotman | anthony_: what is your CPU ? |
| 02:02.44 | dvs | anthony_: I think a 486 is the minimum that you need. |
| 02:02.45 | anthony_ | celeron |
| 02:02.52 | abrotman | !ro-ntfs |
| 02:02.53 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
| 02:02.57 | mwilson | "load up"? |
| 02:03.38 | abrotman | "play" :) |
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| 02:03.53 | SerajewelKS | i think i'll just load up this here can of pop |
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| 02:03.59 | omen | yea i can't open them in any of the players it shows as an empty dir |
| 02:04.15 | mwilson | Haven't pirates figured out by now they should make their shared volumes all VFAT? |
| 02:04.44 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:06.51 | alistair | i need ALSA help |
| 02:07.06 | alistair | i get errors on startup saying ALSA Started(Not Loaded) |
| 02:07.13 | alistair | and i get errors on boot up when i logon to kDE |
| 02:07.14 | abrotman | alistair: dondelelcaro just banned you |
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| 02:07.24 | alistair | what? |
| 02:07.31 | Quinn_Storm | argh! |
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| 02:07.33 | abrotman | oh .. maybe not |
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| 02:07.48 | humbolto | how is that again with ssh rsa authentication? what about the passphrase, if I want to allow certain users on certain hosts to logon without password, so I can rsync from a cronscript for example? |
| 02:07.53 | awb4422 | I manually removed /etc/apache2 once i apt-get remove apache2, and when I reinstalled, the /etc/apace2 directory is no longer. is there a way to get this back? |
| 02:07.57 | dvs | abrotman: Get more coffee. |
| 02:07.58 | alistair | well if you could help me with ASLA i would be appreciative |
| 02:08.16 | abrotman | dvs: no shit .. i should really just quit for the night .. i'm not my usual 100% wrong self ... |
| 02:08.31 | dvs | abrotman: Well.... |
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| 02:08.46 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: nah, I just removed him |
| 02:09.04 | alistair | what have i done wrong, i've just got back from watching a movie |
| 02:09.08 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i realized that |
| 02:09.18 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: right. Carry on. ;-) |
| 02:09.21 | alistair | well if you could help me with ASLA i would be appreciative |
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| 02:09.39 | abrotman | GAME ON! |
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| 02:09.55 | jkaufman | BOO YA!!! |
| 02:10.15 | alistair | i have kernel 2.6xx |
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| 02:11.22 | Quinn_Storm | ok I don't have a clue what I should do with this...i've tried all the options I've found |
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| 02:11.29 | alistair | well if you could help me with ASLA i would be appreciative |
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| 02:11.57 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: is there an iptables solution ? |
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| 02:12.09 | abrotman | mentor will know! .. he's so smart .. and cute too! |
| 02:12.29 | abrotman | !bridge |
| 02:12.29 | dpkg | Bridges link two or more network segments that use the samenetwork technology. The network topologies do not have to be the same,i.e. you can bridge Ethernet and Token Ring. If the protocols are not thesame on segments, then you've got a router. Bridges are used to reducenetwork traffic, increase cable distance (by acting as a repeater), andalso to link dissimilar network topologies that run the same networkprotocol. |
| 02:12.39 | dvs | abrotman: Oh, now you REALLY need coffee |
| 02:12.56 | jaggi | I changed my "www-data" username to another name, and the update of apache failed .. I'd like to try again but the system thinks it's up to date. At the failure it says it "left it unconfigured" -- anyone know how to try again? |
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| 02:13.30 | abrotman | dvs: i don't even drink coffee :) |
| 02:13.36 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: iptables doesn't seem to be the answer |
| 02:13.37 | dvs | abrotman: start |
| 02:13.43 | abrotman | dvs: can't stand the smell |
| 02:13.48 | encrypt | i am suspecting my hard disk is becoming slow. is there any easy-and-fast benchmark-test-like that i can do? |
| 02:13.50 | dvs | abrotman: Me neither |
| 02:13.59 | dvs | abrotman: but I drink it anyways. |
| 02:14.00 | jaggi | smelling the wrong coffee maybe |
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| 02:14.07 | leminhteo | hi all |
| 02:14.08 | abrotman | jaggi: no . it all stinks |
| 02:14.13 | dvs | jaggi: Doesn't matter which one. |
| 02:14.17 | abrotman | and dont' recommend hazelnut .. stuff makes me throw up |
| 02:14.22 | dondelelcaro | good coffee smells good |
| 02:14.28 | abrotman | and yes .. that includes frangelica |
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| 02:14.33 | dondelelcaro | bad coffee can cause seizures |
| 02:14.44 | leminhteo | my kernel does not support alias ip, how does i update it? |
| 02:14.55 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro what is bad? |
| 02:14.57 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you're supposed to stop smoking when you go on the patch :) |
| 02:15.02 | jaggi | there was an amazing odor many miles south of here .. I used to smell it each time we'd visit our family (quite frequently).. it was from a coffee factory.. it wasn't the normal smells of coffee or roasted coffee beans, but something much more passive and pleasant.. very soothing |
| 02:15.11 | jaggi | could smell it soon after the offramp |
| 02:15.22 | jaggi | I don't like flavored coffees so much.. |
| 02:15.34 | leminhteo | my kernel does not support alias ip, how does i update it? |
| 02:15.38 | tdonahue | dondelelcaro: coffee doesn't generally cause sezures, it is usually an overdose on caffene |
| 02:15.40 | jaggi | but some coffee with a bit of creme and some brown sugar or honey.. yum. |
| 02:15.46 | leminhteo | pls help me |
| 02:15.48 | falls | how do u alias ip ? |
| 02:15.49 | jaggi | and about 4 cups of it |
| 02:15.55 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:15.55 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:16.02 | JimButton | i once worked in a coffee factory for a week, the smell is really nice |
| 02:16.11 | leminhteo | i want to setup two ip for a NIC |
| 02:16.16 | jaggi | lemin, are you sure??? almost all kernels will support it by default now.. maybe there's some module/configuration error... what distribution, if any, are you using? |
| 02:16.20 | dondelelcaro | tdonahue: you haven't smelled truly bad coffee. |
| 02:16.23 | mfrisch | I am trying to quit caffeine and AHAHAHAH please for the love of.. |
| 02:16.27 | falls | try: ifconfig eth0:1 xx.xx.xx.xx |
| 02:16.30 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: sanka? :) |
| 02:16.32 | jaggi | I usually drink tea.. almost never coffee though.. |
| 02:16.42 | leminhteo | i have SIOCSIFADDR: No such device error |
| 02:16.50 | leminhteo | how can i fix this? |
| 02:16.54 | abrotman | i don't like tea either |
| 02:17.03 | falls | execute "ifconfig" , show me the result |
| 02:17.05 | dondelelcaro | leminhteo: you're trying to configure a network device that doesn't exist. |
| 02:17.23 | jaggi | abrotman, you can learn to like tea.. find a good black earl grey tea or a "Sheherezad" (sp?) black tea.. very tasty. |
| 02:17.38 | abrotman | jaggi: no .. really .. don't like tea .. |
| 02:17.47 | abrotman | or lemonade |
| 02:17.56 | jaggi | tastes better than green tea, imo.. but it doesn't matter.. tea is such a healthy drink |
| 02:17.56 | JimButton | i always drink green or jasmine tea in chinese or japanese restaurants, but otherwise... |
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| 02:18.17 | JimButton | coffee is essential |
| 02:18.21 | jaggi | http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?pfriendly=1&tname=foodspice&dbid=146 |
| 02:18.30 | jkaufman | are we back on the caffeine discussion again? |
| 02:18.30 | leminhteo | i typed "ifconfig eth0:0 1.8.7.246 netmask 255.255.255.0" |
| 02:18.31 | jkaufman | :D |
| 02:18.38 | jaggi | and browse through that page.. read it if you can... |
| 02:18.41 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Warmdaddys? |
| 02:18.49 | leminhteo | eth0 is my NIC |
| 02:18.51 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: damn right! .. grease and beer! |
| 02:19.00 | lagoan | any gnome editor around? |
| 02:19.05 | Ether_Man | jaggi green tea just takes a bit of time to learn to like.. it's actually quite good when you've gotten to like it though ^_^ |
| 02:19.16 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i had eggs benedict off a bagel over the weekend .. odd compared to muffins |
| 02:19.32 | abrotman | jaggi: if you don't like the taste .. doesn't matter how healthy it is |
| 02:19.34 | jaggi | ether, yeah.. I condition myself to like things good for me too sometimes.. |
| 02:19.46 | jaggi | it's like learning to love someone :) |
| 02:19.57 | abrotman | jaggi: right .. except you hate that person :) |
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| 02:20.08 | jaggi | you can learn to appreciate the small bad things |
| 02:20.10 | Quinn_Storm | is there any other solution than bridging for this situation, since I can't seem to convince debian to actually forward the data? |
| 02:20.11 | abrotman | jaggi: there are no foods you don't like ? |
| 02:20.13 | jaggi | afk |
| 02:20.19 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: routing |
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| 02:21.27 | jaggi | okay, back.. |
| 02:21.33 | abrotman | jaggi: you like all foods? |
| 02:21.38 | lagoan | can someone recomment a good gnome editor? |
| 02:21.40 | jaggi | abrotman.. nooo.. haha.. I mean, consider arranged marriages.. people can form bonds over time |
| 02:21.50 | abrotman | lagoan: editor for what? |
| 02:21.57 | Clujo | whats wrong w/gedit |
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| 02:22.02 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: ok, so...how could I do that without disrupting the current network topology greatly? my gateway is fixed at 192.168.123.254...my network in general is 192.168.123.0/255.255.255.0, all the dynamic ip clients are at an ip of > 100, the stuff on the eth segment I'm trying to link in is 1, 2, 3, and 253 though the 253 is reconfigurable... |
| 02:22.08 | lagoan | abrotman, text editor. |
| 02:22.08 | tdonahue | anyway... can anyone recommend a good software raid package? is mdadm the only package in the base distribution? |
| 02:22.13 | abrotman | lagoan: gedit |
| 02:22.17 | jaggi | consider a class you were in, like a programming class where there were very few females (this is to males I guess).. and the females weren't very attractive to your normal tastes.. |
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| 02:22.38 | jaggi | as time progresses, your tastes change, and what's available to you will spread over more of the spectrum of your likes and dislikes |
| 02:22.57 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: ok .. maybe not .. did you try lartc.org ? |
| 02:23.11 | Quinn_Storm | I might be able to route it if I could figure out how... |
| 02:23.11 | jaggi | some of the others will become attractive, and because their looks and personalities might match, you begin to like their looks because of their personality was something you might also like |
| 02:23.14 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: or you could reconfigure the dhcp clients :) |
| 02:23.25 | jaggi | besides, your tastes in looks and other things are often very shallow |
| 02:23.29 | Quinn_Storm | well they don't matter, they will work as long as I don't collide with them |
| 02:23.40 | Quinn_Storm | its the .1, .2, .3, and .253 I need to worry about |
| 02:23.40 | abrotman | jaggi: tea/coffee still taste like ass |
| 02:23.47 | Fanno | hmm is there a terminal command to see stuff like free ram ect ? |
| 02:23.54 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: you could do multiple IPs on one side |
| 02:23.56 | Lewoco | How do I make samba join my active directory domain? When I try to join using "net ads join" I get the error: "[2005/08/23 02:16:02, 0] utils/net_ads.c:ads_startup(191) |
| 02:23.56 | Lewoco | " |
| 02:23.57 | lagoan | abrotman, i just had a look at it, quite a big package though, more than 2MB download. anything lighter? |
| 02:23.59 | jaggi | abrotman, do you eat much fruit? |
| 02:24.00 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: err subnets |
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| 02:24.08 | abrotman | lagoan: yeah ... nvi :) |
| 02:24.10 | tdonahue | fanno, you might want to try top |
| 02:24.15 | jaggi | anyhow, it's sunset, and time for me to go.. |
| 02:24.17 | Quinn_Storm | its [internet]-[router]-[dhcp clients], and [internet]-[router]-[wireless]-[bridge box]-[the net that needs help] |
| 02:24.25 | jaggi | oh.. I forgot to get an answer to my question.. |
| 02:24.25 | abrotman | jaggi: not a ton .. but lots of juice |
| 02:24.31 | jaggi | I changed my "www-data" username to another name, and the update of apache failed .. I'd like to try again but the system thinks it's up to date. At the failure it says it "left it unconfigured" -- anyone know how to try again? |
| 02:24.38 | abrotman | jaggi: apples/bananas mostly |
| 02:24.41 | Quinn_Storm | so as long as there is no collision...like maybe the subnet for the local stuff can be 192.168.123.1 to 192.168.123.7 or something |
| 02:24.43 | Fanno | :thanks |
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| 02:24.46 | jaggi | abrotman, juice is easier, but no fiber right? |
| 02:24.49 | Quinn_Storm | or to .15 |
| 02:24.49 | Fanno | that is a usefull tool =) |
| 02:24.55 | Lewoco | Uhm, the error was: "ads_connect: No such file or directory" |
| 02:24.57 | lagoan | abrotman, is nvi gnome-based? |
| 02:25.01 | abrotman | jaggi: wheat/potato bread not good enough ? |
| 02:25.04 | Fanno | tdonahue: thanks =) woop ! |
| 02:25.06 | abrotman | lagoan: no |
| 02:25.06 | jaggi | the fiber's probably good for us too.. scrapes the insides of you and keeps old cells from hanging around |
| 02:25.07 | Quinn_Storm | well I'll drop off of irc while I try... |
| 02:25.09 | Quinn_Storm | bbs |
| 02:25.34 | tdonahue | np, fanno |
| 02:25.42 | abrotman | jaggi: dpkg-reconfigure apache(orwhateveritscalled) |
| 02:25.56 | abrotman | jaggi: or .. apt-get -f install |
| 02:26.06 | jaggi | those old cells and, just like the outer surface of your body, can contribute to malformed skin whereas otherwise it might be smooth... supple... ;) |
| 02:26.27 | jaggi | getting rid of the inner lining is healthy and reduces on the risk of cancer as far as I've heard |
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| 02:26.29 | abrotman | jaggi: i hope to never see the word supple in #debian again |
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| 02:26.49 | jaggi | how about a list of packages which failed? |
| 02:26.57 | mfrisch | :) |
| 02:27.05 | sideone | how do i secure my system so that both ssh/telnet only allows 1 user name into the system.. btw please dont flame telnet, i hate it as well. |
| 02:27.09 | jaggi | abrotman, haha.. I thought it would be interesting to use :) |
| 02:27.18 | tdonahue | so, no one has any recommendations for software raid on debian? |
| 02:27.35 | lagoan | i want to mod the kde login screen, which source do i need? |
| 02:27.41 | jaggi | apt-get -f install is fixing it.. forgot about the command -- was looking for it a week ago too :) |
| 02:27.44 | sess | is it possible to forward traffic that arrives at my debian box to another PC on a specific port, eg I want to have a webcam server on my windows box on port 8080 and be able to connect through my debian box (which is not actually the gateway, but the dmz on my network) |
| 02:27.57 | maher | sideone: AllowUsers user in sshd |
| 02:28.05 | eeyore- | sess: yep |
| 02:28.12 | eeyore- | sess: "destination nat" (dnat) |
| 02:28.15 | sess | what daemon should I be looking up |
| 02:28.47 | eeyore- | sess: no daemon, just iptables configuration. if you'd rather not deal with raw iptables (it can be hairy), get any one of "firewall" set of scripts (shorewall is what i use) |
| 02:28.51 | sideone | what about telnet? |
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| 02:29.02 | lagoan | any chat group for kde development? |
| 02:29.16 | abrotman | #kde ? |
| 02:29.19 | abrotman | #debian-kde ? |
| 02:29.55 | jaggi | abrotman, but tea is good for you.. many people taste the oft-served persian tea of our household and say it's the best tea they've ever had |
| 02:30.02 | jaggi | it's a black tea |
| 02:30.21 | NetDC | hi, when I use "tc filter del dev eth1 parent 1:13 protocol ip prio 1 u32 match ip dst 172.16.3.125/32 flowid 1:13" to del this filter, but it delete all of my filters. now I had nothing to do with it. |
| 02:30.24 | abrotman | jaggi: i don't like it .. of all the teas i've tried . ick :) |
| 02:30.27 | jaggi | many persians in this community apparently mix earl grey with the sheherezad black to make it |
| 02:30.44 | jaggi | haha.. okay.. well it's time for me to go.. thanks again for the apt-get advice |
| 02:31.11 | eeyore- | with a passion |
| 02:31.13 | abrotman | jaggi: later |
| 02:31.21 | abrotman | eeyore-: and duke winchester? |
| 02:31.25 | jaggi | they do it because the other tea is way too strong or expensive to use plain :) |
| 02:31.30 | eeyore- | abrotman: :-p |
| 02:31.33 | jaggi | I think it balances the taste |
| 02:31.52 | mfrisch | typhoo rocks |
| 02:31.58 | jaggi | but read that page.. http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?pfriendly=1&tname=foodspice&dbid=146 it has good info for your healths |
| 02:32.08 | abrotman | jaggi: it's still up |
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| 02:32.17 | jaggi | that's the illiterate plural of "health", for those of you who don't know. |
| 02:32.18 | eeyore- | oolong for me. or jasmine tea. quite a few of the "republic of tea" blends (the lychee black tea, for example) are quite good, though some have a .. uh .. new-age feel :-p |
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| 02:32.52 | dob1 | hi, i want to create a little script that execute a command only if a determinated process is not running, i don't know how to create the condition of the process running |
| 02:32.55 | dob1 | maybe pidoff? |
| 02:32.56 | jaggi | yeah.. many people like the flavorings.. in particular westerners I think? |
| 02:33.02 | eeyore- | now that our jasmine trees are bearing flowers, we start making jasmine water again. (it's the asian jasmine, not arabic jasmine) |
| 02:33.08 | jaggi | ooh |
| 02:33.20 | jaggi | many make the flavoring much too strong, imo.. |
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| 02:33.55 | jaggi | I recently was going out to get some green tea (instead of the usual black here) and my mother in law prevented me from doing so, because she was going to go to the store... and when she went she brought back green jasmine tea |
| 02:33.56 | sideone | sorry back, did you answer how to allow a specific user to login? |
| 02:34.04 | jaggi | we use loose leaves (not in bags) because of the method of making it |
| 02:34.21 | EasterSunshine | hello, i am having a problem when i have a smbfs mounted and the smb server goes offline, the mount remains and stays busy--it cannot be unmounted and slows my system down when i am trying to view that directoy |
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| 02:34.25 | jaggi | damn, this is #debian.. I should go.. although I don't think linux and "healthy" are opposing topics |
| 02:34.28 | leminhteo | hi all |
| 02:34.31 | leminhteo | pls help me |
| 02:34.39 | eeyore- | jaggi: we get sidetracked every now and then |
| 02:34.45 | abrotman | EasterSunshine: i think that's a known problem |
| 02:34.46 | eeyore- | sideone: not possible for telnet |
| 02:34.56 | eeyore- | sideone: unless you set shell to /bin/false, but i guess you don't want that |
| 02:35.01 | EasterSunshine | abrotman: and no workaround yet? |
| 02:35.07 | abrotman | EasterSunshine: ask #samba .. |
| 02:35.13 | EasterSunshine | thx |
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| 02:35.28 | leminhteo | abrotman can u help me? |
| 02:35.39 | EasterSunshine | oh i see...this chan is debian-specific. in ubuntu, they let ask about whatever |
| 02:35.58 | Lewoco | Does the samba package support active directory? |
| 02:35.59 | eeyore- | EasterSunshine: so, how's your sex life? |
| 02:36.02 | abrotman | help you what? |
| 02:36.13 | abrotman | EasterSunshine: but do they answer you ? |
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| 02:36.31 | drawagoat | can debian do rpm packages? |
| 02:36.33 | EasterSunshine | abrotman: they usually refer me to #ubuntu-offtopic... |
| 02:36.39 | leminhteo | i get "SIOCSIFADDR: No such device" error when try to asign alias ip for NIC |
| 02:36.48 | leminhteo | how can i fix it |
| 02:36.51 | eeyore- | leminhteo: show me the exact command you used |
| 02:36.52 | jaggi | lewoco: "dpkg -L package_name" is handy |
| 02:36.53 | EasterSunshine | eeyore-: i am nine years old... |
| 02:37.06 | jaggi | lewoco, perhaps you're looking for /etc/samba/ though |
| 02:37.12 | jaggi | okay, I do have to go.. bye all :) |
| 02:37.13 | eeyore- | EasterSunshine: riiiiiight |
| 02:37.21 | jaggi | lemin, good luck.. might try searching the web too |
| 02:37.22 | leminhteo | ifconfig eth0:0 203.190.162.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 02:37.39 | abrotman | drawagoat: yes |
| 02:37.44 | eeyore- | leminhteo: this might sound stupid, but ... you already have eth0 already configured, right? |
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| 02:38.00 | leminhteo | yes |
| 02:38.13 | jaggi | and what about the kernel config option, is it on? |
| 02:38.17 | anthony_ | okay |
| 02:38.17 | jaggi | lemin |
| 02:38.22 | anthony_ | when I download the netinstall image |
| 02:38.28 | anthony_ | I burn it as an iso in nero right?? |
| 02:38.31 | jaggi | maybe you need a new kernel image or need to recompile your kernel |
| 02:38.35 | jaggi | okay, bye all :) |
| 02:39.01 | abrotman | dan2: what did you want the ID for ? |
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| 02:39.53 | leminhteo | how can i update my kernel |
| 02:40.32 | eeyore- | jaggi: i don't think there's a specific "ip aliasing" option in recent kernels any more, at least i don't see one |
| 02:40.39 | stew | leminhteo: what version of debian are you on? |
| 02:40.46 | stew | leminhteo: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 02:41.18 | leminhteo | 3.0 |
| 02:41.46 | leminhteo | ok |
| 02:41.47 | leminhteo | pls wait |
| 02:41.51 | abrotman | !Pls |
| 02:41.52 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 02:42.20 | Quinn_Storm | um...er...apparently I'm somehow still connected to IRC...anyhow...maybe it means something that on brctl showstp br0 I see flags: "CONFIG_PENDING" on each interface |
| 02:42.42 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: it's about to explode |
| 02:42.56 | Quinn_Storm | lol |
| 02:43.16 | Quinn_Storm | well those flags went away on an ifdown br0 / ifup br0 |
| 02:43.30 | sess | what does iptables v1.2.11: Couldn't load target `@121_policychain':/lib/iptables/libipt_@121_policychain.so: mean |
| 02:43.47 | sess | I mean, other than the litteral, is my iptables broken? |
| 02:43.52 | abrotman | it means it Couldn't load target `@121_policychain':/lib/iptables/libipt_@121_policychain.so: |
| 02:43.54 | sess | litteral |
| 02:43.58 | abrotman | literal |
| 02:44.01 | sess | thank you |
| 02:44.08 | sideone | damnit, someone got into my www account |
| 02:44.10 | Quinn_Storm | the thing is definately receiving and just dropping the packets...b/c if the bridge is ifdown'd I get "Destination Host Unreachable" on the pings across the bridge, but if its up they just time out |
| 02:44.22 | sideone | its not even being used |
| 02:44.35 | abrotman | sess: is that file there? |
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| 02:45.00 | sess | I would have to say no |
| 02:45.07 | abrotman | well ... look? |
| 02:45.08 | sess | just did a locate policychain and nothing... |
| 02:45.20 | sideone | i have looked at my passwd file, do all these users (games, proxy, etc..) need /bin/sh as their shell, or can i /bin/false em? |
| 02:45.45 | sideone | also is there a port knocking pkg for deb? |
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| 02:46.00 | sideone | doorman? |
| 02:46.06 | sideone | knockd? |
| 02:46.27 | leminhteo1 | hi |
| 02:46.31 | sess | its definately not, just listed /lib/iptables/libipt_* |
| 02:46.51 | leminhteo1 | hi all |
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| 02:47.22 | abrotman | well ... look?? |
| 02:47.24 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:47.33 | abrotman | sess: why is it trying to load that ? |
| 02:47.33 | leminhteo1 | i get "SIOCSIFADDR: No such device" error when assign alias ip, how does i fix it |
| 02:48.17 | leminhteo1 | my kernel is 2.2.20 -idepci |
| 02:48.18 | sess | I have no idea, I just installed shorewall and configured it using webmin, now when I tried to start it, bam |
| 02:48.29 | sess | to boot, google reveals nothing on that file either |
| 02:49.02 | abrotman | oh ffs .. you used webmin? |
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| 02:49.06 | SpermFlys | im having trouble geting my ati video card to work, well the drivers dont seem to wanna work im using a laptop. and when i installed the drivers it wouldnt let me log back into X |
| 02:49.07 | abrotman | no wonder it doesn't work |
| 02:49.14 | sideone | how do i attach to a users screen session if i am root? |
| 02:49.50 | Quinn_Storm | well I'm gonna try a reboot to see if that helps...just...because |
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| 02:50.03 | cartel_ | hmm |
| 02:50.12 | cartel_ | !tell cartel about tg3 |
| 02:50.21 | leminhteo1 | where is CONFIG_IP_ALIAS file? |
| 02:50.25 | cartel_ | hmm |
| 02:50.33 | stew | !idepci |
| 02:50.34 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Jebus cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 02:50.47 | cartel_ | can someone tell me what the hell is with tg3 in kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 02:50.51 | SpermFlys | Hit ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/non-free Release |
| 02:50.51 | SpermFlys | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 02:50.51 | SpermFlys | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.54 | stew | leminhteo1: apt-get install kenrel-image-2.4 ; pay attention when it talks about initrd |
| 02:50.54 | cartel_ | or can dpkg tell me |
| 02:50.58 | cartel_ | i need to get this driver |
| 02:51.03 | abrotman | SpermFlys: STOP PASTING |
| 02:51.23 | SpermFlys | abrotman Eat me |
| 02:51.48 | leminhteo1 | Back in version 2.2.20 IP aliasing was an configurable option,dependent on setting the variable CONFIG_IP_ALIAS to the valueY in the kernel configuration file |
| 02:51.50 | sess | abrotman: what should I use to configure shorewall |
| 02:51.58 | leminhteo1 | how can i do it |
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| 02:52.02 | SpermFlys | i pasted one damn thing |
| 02:52.03 | abrotman | SpermFlys: don't paste .. moron |
| 02:52.15 | abrotman | !tell SpermFlys about paste |
| 02:52.16 | abrotman | !tell SpermFlys about paster |
| 02:52.17 | dondelelcaro | SpermFlys: read /topic; and refrain from pasting. If you continue, you will be devoiced. |
| 02:52.20 | abrotman | !tell SpermFlys about guidelines |
| 02:52.32 | abrotman | sess: use vi to write iptables scripts? |
| 02:52.34 | cartel_ | !tell cartel_ about kernel-source-nonfree |
| 02:52.40 | dondelelcaro | cartel_: you can /msg the bot |
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| 02:52.56 | cartel_ | dpkg kernel-source-nonfree is http://www.acm.rpi.edu/~dilinger/kernel-source-nonfree-2.6.11/ |
| 02:52.56 | dpkg | cartel_: okay |
| 02:53.17 | cartel_ | grumble, mutter |
| 02:53.18 | SpermFlys | ! tell abrotman about cock suckers |
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| 02:53.39 | cartel_ | errrrrrrr |
| 02:53.46 | cartel_ | ah |
| 02:53.47 | cartel_ | hehehe |
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| 02:53.57 | Coag | why dont channel ops on freenode stay opped ever O.O |
| 02:54.01 | Coag | haha |
| 02:54.04 | Coag | that hadta be nice |
| 02:54.07 | Coag | oops |
| 02:54.07 | shadow98 | anybody here actually setup ossim on debian... |
| 02:54.10 | Coag | wrong window |
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| 02:54.45 | tnks | hi all. There seems to be quite a few available daemons to manage automatice updating of dyndns.org redirection. Is one of these very popular?? |
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| 02:55.18 | dondelelcaro | Coag: the freenode channel guidelines explains some of the reasoning behind it. In most cases it shouldn't matter who is an op and who isn't. |
| 02:55.42 | Coag | dondelelcaro, ahh so kinda you guys want people to not feel lower than others? |
| 02:55.50 | dondelelcaro | Coag: that's part of it |
| 02:55.57 | Coag | dondelelcaro, and the ops are just ops when a situation warants it? |
| 02:56.02 | abrotman | Coag: but most of us know who they are |
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| 02:56.26 | sess | that odd dependancy for the file occurrs during the rule processing |
| 02:56.33 | sess | policy processing, I mean |
| 02:56.38 | abrotman | sess: one of the rules is broken ? |
| 02:56.51 | sess | however, I only have 1 policy, all all accept |
| 02:56.54 | abrotman | Coag: you cannot .. you have no power over me! :) |
| 02:56.58 | mwilson | tnks: Why is a daemon required? |
| 02:57.01 | sess | I don't know how broken that could be |
| 02:57.10 | abrotman | sess: broken enough that it won't load :) |
| 02:57.45 | Coag | abrotman, maybe if you stand on my back |
| 02:58.08 | abrotman | Coag: i am the gatekeeper you are the keymaster! |
| 02:58.15 | abrotman | wait ... |
| 02:58.21 | abrotman | can we switch that around? |
| 02:58.27 | Coag | alright imf ien with that |
| 02:58.29 | Coag | wow |
| 02:58.33 | Coag | that was horrible |
| 02:58.36 | Coag | im sorry about that O.O |
| 02:58.40 | dondelelcaro | ugh. no more ghostbusters |
| 02:58.54 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:58.59 | tnks | mwilson, I suppose it could be crontab'd. it's just that it's annoying to have to reapply for the IP every month. |
| 02:59.00 | mwilson | There are worse films to fixate on. |
| 02:59.09 | sess | abrotman: well, I don't think its the file itself, when Its empty the same thing happens. When its gone, the same thing happens. It seems more or less that something else is broken. Do you know what that "lib" is? |
| 02:59.14 | mwilson | tnks: Why would you ever have to reapply for any IP? |
| 02:59.14 | sess | I can't find anythinga bout it in google |
| 02:59.18 | SerajewelKS | wtf... i leave #debian for a few hours and come back to #movies? |
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| 02:59.21 | jim__ | asd |
| 02:59.24 | abrotman | the "no power over me" isn't from ghostbusters .. it's from labyrinth |
| 02:59.28 | JimButton | dukes of hazzard must be one of the worst, from what i hear... |
| 02:59.35 | tnks | mwilson, because I'm cheap, and I'm taking the free domain name. |
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| 02:59.42 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you're bi-plallic? |
| 02:59.54 | mwilson | tnks: What does that have to do with applying for anything? |
| 03:00.12 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Heh. |
| 03:00.12 | Coag | abrotman, where did you pull that name out of? |
| 03:00.18 | abrotman | JimButton: there are way worse |
| 03:00.19 | Coag | oh |
| 03:00.21 | abrotman | Coag: pull what from? |
| 03:00.23 | Coag | i see where he said something |
| 03:00.26 | Coag | nevermind |
| 03:00.31 | tnks | mwilson, the domain name expires, and you need to go back to www.dyndns.org to reapply it. |
| 03:00.31 | JimButton | abrotman: i fear you are right... |
| 03:00.49 | abrotman | JimButton: even numbered star treks ? |
| 03:00.58 | JimButton | abrotman: they are not _that_ bad |
| 03:01.02 | JimButton | abrotman: yes, they are bad |
| 03:01.03 | abrotman | odd numbered? |
| 03:01.14 | JimButton | i mean the odd numbered, yes |
| 03:01.33 | mwilson | Only the even numbered ones are decent. |
| 03:01.51 | abrotman | i can't remember anymore .. i stopped watching them after .. 6 i think |
| 03:01.59 | JimButton | they all suck, but i still prefer star trek [1357] over dukes of hazzard, or something like that |
| 03:02.12 | abrotman | JimButton: Defcon 4 ? |
| 03:02.24 | SerajewelKS | must be OT night =) |
| 03:02.26 | JimButton | abrotman: what about defcon 4? |
| 03:02.28 | tnks | mwilson, we might be arguing a semantic issue with regards to my loose use of "reapply." What I do know is that I get E-mails that say, "DynDNS Hostname About to Expire... this is due to an automatic timeout." |
| 03:02.29 | Coag | is this some wierd nerd language here im not understanding |
| 03:02.33 | leminhteo1 | where is configuation kernel ? |
| 03:02.39 | abrotman | JimButton: go to amazon.com .. or imdb .. read the reviews :) |
| 03:02.43 | Coag | i have seen no star trek in my life |
| 03:02.55 | JimButton | Coag: you are missing out on something... |
| 03:03.14 | Coag | sounds like a space thing |
| 03:03.15 | JimButton | abrotman: but some films are so bad that they are actually good again |
| 03:03.23 | JimButton | abrotman: ever seen "reefer madness"? |
| 03:03.26 | abrotman | JimButton: this isn't one of them |
| 03:03.33 | SerajewelKS | Coag, if you've never seen Jean Luc Picard say "Engage" ... you're just ... deprived |
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| 03:03.39 | abrotman | JimButton: if you're into bad scifi .. this could be the cream of the crop |
| 03:03.55 | SerajewelKS | s/seen/heard/ ... ? |
| 03:04.00 | Coag | umm |
| 03:04.08 | abrotman | it's a movie/show ... seen is fine |
| 03:04.12 | Coag | well i have no clue who that is but ill take your word on it |
| 03:04.15 | mwilson | When did dyndns.org start offering free domains? Domains not in their list? |
| 03:04.35 | leminhteo1 | how can i config kernel? |
| 03:04.51 | JimButton | the first review starts with "Def-Con 4 (1985) was a surprisingly good low budget take on World World 3"... |
| 03:04.57 | shadow98 | anybody here actually setup ossim on debian... |
| 03:05.04 | SerajewelKS | !tell leminhteo1 about smart questions |
| 03:05.12 | saboteur | can someone help me with a postfix sasl problem? i keep getting the following error: postfix/smtpd[2841]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms |
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| 03:05.22 | mwilson | tnks: Ah, you've invented your own terminology. I see. Dyndns hasn't added any new services. |
| 03:05.25 | Gogga | hello. |
| 03:05.40 | abrotman | JimButton: "For many years, when I was asked what the worst movie of all time was, I would answer DefCon4. Without hesitation or a second lost trying to decide. DefCon4 was the easy answer." |
| 03:05.41 | Coag | wow |
| 03:05.46 | Coag | vmware is pissing me off so hard |
| 03:05.46 | tnks | mwilson, yeah. sorry. I wasn't accurate. |
| 03:05.48 | abrotman | JimButton: i agree with that :) |
| 03:06.03 | Coag | portage should not take upwards of three hours to untar |
| 03:06.15 | Gogga | i did a apt-get install mplayer, it installed it but it was not playing files correctly...., after doing a apt-get remove mplayer, i type mplayer in the shell window and it still runs, obviously theres an old version still ther (0.92-3.3.2) how can i remove it ? (since apt-get remove mplayer shows it is not installed) |
| 03:06.42 | abrotman | Gogga: dpkg -l | grep mplayer ... see what's left |
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| 03:06.54 | mwilson | tnks: apt-get install ddclient, you're done. |
| 03:06.59 | SerajewelKS | Coag, you know if there's some (legally) free version of vmware? |
| 03:07.02 | badcoder | two|face an making a shell script that looks for your programs in the pids and execute it again when is not in the process list? |
| 03:07.07 | badcoder | in debian sarge apache 1.3.33 i get method post not found on this server anyone knows the cause? |
| 03:07.11 | abrotman | JimButton: are you going to buy it ? |
| 03:07.17 | Gogga | abrothman it said: rc mplayer 1.0-pre7.cvs20050816-0.1 The Movie Player |
| 03:07.23 | Gogga | after i typed your command |
| 03:07.25 | abrotman | that's it ? |
| 03:07.25 | Coag | SerajewelKS, its free to isntall |
| 03:07.29 | Coag | you need a key to use it |
| 03:07.33 | sess | damn ti |
| 03:07.33 | Coag | and the key costs money |
| 03:07.37 | SerajewelKS | Coag, that's helpful lol |
| 03:07.44 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 03:07.45 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 03:07.48 | Coag | but there is qemu which is a free emulation software |
| 03:07.52 | JimButton | abrotman: one of the worst movies with good actors i ever saw was that bob dylan movie "masked and anonymous". it is total crap, even with jeff bridges, john goodman, penelope cruz, val kilmer, ed harris,... |
| 03:07.59 | SerajewelKS | Coag, how does qemu compare to bochs? |
| 03:08.01 | abrotman | hehehe |
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| 03:08.13 | JimButton | abrotman: i don't have a TV or DVD-player or anything like that... |
| 03:08.14 | Gogga | now what abrothman? |
| 03:08.15 | Coag | SerajewelKS, umm qemu has something to do with bochs i think |
| 03:08.25 | tnks | mwilson, cool. are you using that one? no issues with it? I just noticed that there's a few other options, like ez-ipupdate, and ddns3-client, among others. |
| 03:08.37 | mwilson | Man, 49 days... that's the most I've gotten out of this box before managing to kill it in a long time. :) |
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| 03:08.58 | mwilson | Not that I care about uptime... but 'w' shows it to you. |
| 03:08.59 | abrotman | JimButton: i bet you can buy it on VHS |
| 03:09.02 | mwilson | Weird. |
| 03:09.07 | abrotman | JimButton: oh .. maybe BetaMax! |
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| 03:09.13 | mwilson | I must not be using the machine for much lately. ^_^ |
| 03:09.22 | JimButton | abrotman: i said i don't have a TV... |
| 03:09.44 | JimButton | abrotman: do you think eating the video cassette will make me appreciate the movie? :) |
| 03:09.46 | abrotman | JimButton: hook it up to your uhm .. no idea |
| 03:09.54 | abrotman | JimButton: probably give you the shits :) |
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| 03:10.46 | SerajewelKS | leminhteo1, keep it in the channel please |
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| 03:11.38 | SerajewelKS | !tell leminhteo1 about in the channel |
| 03:12.19 | BourneAgain | I am looking for recommendations for a Quad Processor Mother Board for Debian. Been doing a little research but don't know where to go with it. |
| 03:12.29 | abrotman | which CPU? |
| 03:13.27 | guk | Hello ... im getting this error ... Error opening device: /dev/net/tun |
| 03:13.34 | guk | I modprobe tun |
| 03:13.38 | guk | but still getting the error |
| 03:13.41 | guk | am I missing somthing ? |
| 03:14.15 | BourneAgain | abrotman: That is yet to be determined but probably Intel Xeons. |
| 03:14.19 | sess | ok forget shorewall, can I use iptables to do DNAT? |
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| 03:14.58 | black13 | abrotman |
| 03:15.08 | [Cadet] | sess: Of course |
| 03:15.35 | [Cadet] | how do you think that shorewall is doing it |
| 03:15.38 | sess | I assume I have to create a new forward rule |
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| 03:17.15 | BourneAgain | abrotman: It will be used for MySQL. |
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| 03:18.45 | SerajewelKS | DANG |
| 03:18.48 | SerajewelKS | qemu is FAST |
| 03:19.20 | b3nw | anyone had problems installing mysql-server (4.0.24-10) ? |
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| 03:20.10 | p1astik | i have a small problem in which i only have Esound able to work, but not ALSA. ideas? |
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| 03:20.36 | SerajewelKS | holy cow |
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| 03:20.43 | SerajewelKS | if qemu is as stable as bochs.... geez |
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| 03:21.12 | Coag | O.O |
| 03:21.16 | Coag | by the way |
| 03:21.18 | Coag | if you can |
| 03:21.24 | Coag | do the whole thing with kqemu |
| 03:21.27 | Coag | didnt work for me |
| 03:21.29 | Coag | but yeah |
| 03:21.37 | Coag | ive heard its faster |
| 03:22.02 | SerajewelKS | !enter |
| 03:22.03 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 03:22.19 | SerajewelKS | KDE frontend? |
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| 03:24.00 | Foo443 | Has anyone here managed to get WOL (wake on lan) to work on Debian? |
| 03:24.50 | BourneAgain | abrotman: I will do some more investigation of this. Any recommendations for a fiber channel controller for Debian? |
| 03:25.09 | Foo443 | I assume that the key is to some how get the OS to put the nic to sleep instead of cutting the power to it during shutdown... |
| 03:25.22 | Gogga | abrothman, i think i added a source in /etc/apt/sources.list which caused two instancee of mplayer installed........ the new version works if i type it in manualy /usr/bin/mplayer FILEname. but if just type mplayer filename it loads the old version. |
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| 03:26.37 | ehaase | can someone please tell me what application is shown in the screenshot on the very right-side of this link: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Screenshot-6.png ? |
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| 03:28.01 | SerajewelKS | Coag, is kqemu available on debian? |
| 03:28.03 | Quinn_Storm | well I switched to trying routing instead...now on the wired net if I ping outside of it beyond the gateway router, I get "Redirect Host(New nextop: foo)" but I can ping the gateway router (the thing that connects me to the internet) |
| 03:28.11 | Coag | SerajewelKS, not through apt |
| 03:28.16 | Coag | you have to go from source |
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| 03:28.32 | SerajewelKS | Coag, that stinks.... i wonder why kqemu is closed-source |
| 03:28.47 | Coag | dont know |
| 03:28.54 | Quinn_Storm | however obviously I still can get online from the "bridge" box |
| 03:30.06 | lagoan | there is a gui to config xterm? i find the command line options confusing. |
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| 03:31.02 | SerajewelKS | anyway, qemu is already faster than bochs =) |
| 03:31.03 | alistair | my NVDriver module Kernel is not loaded.. what can i do about this? |
| 03:31.19 | SerajewelKS | given the "eyeball" test, the windows XP setup is going about as fast as on a real box |
| 03:31.54 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, got it I think with a weird iptables rule |
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| 03:32.57 | haja | Hi, I currently have Ubuntu installed, is regular Debian a lot different? |
| 03:33.04 | alistair | not really |
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| 03:33.33 | haja | anyone faster/slower? |
| 03:33.39 | lagoan | ok, let me make it simpler, how to set the fontsize of xterm? |
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| 03:34.15 | Quinn_Storm | hmm it doesn't fix incoming though...everything incoming will have to be handled with more iptables rules I would guess |
| 03:34.19 | SerajewelKS | haja, i doubt that the speed is that different |
| 03:34.30 | haja | ok |
| 03:34.44 | haja | I like the way it handles packages |
| 03:34.47 | BourneAgain | xterm -fn <font> |
| 03:34.48 | haja | makes everything pretty easy |
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| 03:36.27 | lagoan | BourneAgain, tried that but what are the font type available? i have tried Sans, not accepted. |
| 03:36.58 | RevSlowmo | What is a good backup program for debian, one that check for debian files that have changed and only backups ones that differ from the debian.md5 file |
| 03:37.10 | Quinn_Storm | now to figure out about configuring iptables' nat support to send packets to my various servers |
| 03:37.15 | Quinn_Storm | but I can do that from my desktop box I think |
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| 03:38.24 | SerajewelKS | Coag, have you been able to get kqemu to work? |
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| 03:38.31 | Coag | no i havent |
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| 03:38.54 | SerajewelKS | Coag, have you tried? |
| 03:38.58 | BourneAgain | Gotta log off lagoan, do a google for xfont commands. |
| 03:39.04 | InitX | how can i reinstall /etc/init.d/mysql |
| 03:39.11 | Coag | SerajewelKS, yup |
| 03:39.20 | SerajewelKS | InitX, apt-get --reinstall install mysql-server |
| 03:39.29 | rsosborn | Hello |
| 03:39.38 | SerajewelKS | Coag, maybe because the debian package isn't compiled for kqemu support? |
| 03:39.39 | rsosborn | I need some help with Azereus |
| 03:39.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell InitX -about confmiss |
| 03:39.51 | rsosborn | Some reason it will not connect |
| 03:39.57 | rsosborn | think it my be a port |
| 03:39.58 | rsosborn | but not sure |
| 03:39.59 | InitX | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/mysql not found. |
| 03:40.00 | rsosborn | I'm not using a router |
| 03:40.02 | Coag | SerajewelKS, yeah but i uninstalled that and dide qemu from source with kqemu support |
| 03:40.07 | Coag | and didnt work |
| 03:40.12 | SerajewelKS | Coag, weird |
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| 03:40.57 | InitX | SerajewelKS-> invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/mysql not found. |
| 03:41.13 | InitX | when i run apt-get --reinstall install mysql-server |
| 03:41.23 | SerajewelKS | InitX, see !confmiss |
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| 03:43.41 | InitX | SerajewelKS-> its seens doesnt work |
| 03:43.48 | ^Ocean^ | is there a ksmoothdock type equivilent i can run on gnome ? |
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| 03:44.45 | smacnay | Hello, where does the debian xine package put its codecs? |
| 03:45.27 | InitX | when i run command apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install mysql-server |
| 03:45.27 | InitX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:45.41 | dondelelcaro | InitX: what is the error? |
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| 03:45.57 | saboteur | initx: i'm sure i had that error, but it still works fine |
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| 03:46.16 | Gogga | wow its incredible, i've spent more time on linux than playing video games...i wonder if thats a good thing =D |
| 03:46.37 | Gogga | (over the past 2 days) |
| 03:46.38 | smacnay | Ah, I just looked in the /var/apt/libxine1 package and saw the file paths |
| 03:46.41 | tnks | Hi all. I know this channel restricts polling, but I'm wondering what's a solid recommendation for an IMAP server for a home computer. |
| 03:46.42 | InitX | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/mysql not found. |
| 03:46.55 | InitX | i can't start MySQL server |
| 03:47.17 | dondelelcaro | tnks: consider dovecot |
| 03:47.24 | ^Ocean^ | is there an OSX like application bar type clone were it xooms in on the icons when u move ur mouse over them in a pritty animated that i can run in Gnome ? |
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| 03:47.37 | tnks | dondelelcaro, thanks for the quick recommendation. Do you use it? |
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| 03:48.00 | dondelelcaro | tnks: yes. |
| 03:48.26 | dimm0k | is there a limit on the number of partitions a USB HD can have under kernel 2.6.12.4? |
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| 03:49.28 | InitX | did anybody help |
| 03:50.02 | dondelelcaro | InitX: mysql-server is just a transitional dummy package. install the real version of mysql that you are using (probably mysql-server-4.1) |
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| 03:51.23 | tnks | dondelelcaro, I really like the Debian summary for dovecot. . . "major goals are security and extreme reliability" |
| 03:51.41 | peterS | tnks: yeah, as opposed to all other daemons in the world |
| 03:51.53 | peterS | tnks: most of them shoot for fly-by-night security and mediocre reliability |
| 03:51.54 | jair | hello guys, anybody here remember the command on the alsa package that let me adjust the volume on the terminal console? |
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| 03:52.00 | jair | alsa something ??? |
| 03:52.05 | InitX | apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install mysql-server |
| 03:52.06 | jair | I do not remmeber it |
| 03:52.06 | InitX | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/mysql not found. |
| 03:52.21 | tnks | peterS, I know what you mean. |
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| 03:52.31 | pureone | !test |
| 03:52.31 | dpkg | Yes, pureone, you're still online. |
| 03:52.34 | InitX | mysql initscript can't find |
| 03:52.44 | tnks | well. It's good to know dovecot's out there. I'll play with it tomorrow. Good night all. |
| 03:52.46 | jair | the command to adjust the volume on the alsa package |
| 03:52.55 | jair | alsasound? |
| 03:53.16 | jair | I don't remmeber all I know that the program open in the console or terminal |
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| 03:54.17 | SerajewelKS | speaking of mysql, the power went out a while back and now mysql doesn't wany to start. the pid-file and socket are gone... why would it be refusing to start? |
| 03:54.25 | SerajewelKS | s/wany/want/ |
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| 03:54.52 | cat | damn i love debian alot, |
| 03:55.03 | Lanix | can some one tell me what's level 3 Postscript ? |
| 03:55.34 | InitX | SerajewelKS-> go on |
| 03:56.27 | SerajewelKS | InitX, go on? i'm done and waiting for an answer. |
| 03:56.52 | dieeasy | I am reading the debian reference to spot how to tune my sarge install. I experience slowdowns when I access my DVD-drives. Can someone point me to what most likely is the cause of the slowdowns? |
| 03:57.30 | SerajewelKS | dieeasy, maybe you don't have DMA enabled on the drives? |
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| 03:59.52 | InitX | anybody help to fix my MySQL-server problem |
| 04:00.10 | tracysun | how to set refresh rate in debian |
| 04:00.29 | jair | InitX, what is the problem with mysql? |
| 04:00.39 | SerajewelKS | /var/run/mysqld is freakin EMPTY. why won't mysql start?! |
| 04:00.41 | jair | InitX, what debian flavor are you running? |
| 04:01.33 | InitX | sarge |
| 04:01.35 | jair | anyone knows or remmember the command for the alsa sound configurator that opens on the terminal? |
| 04:01.47 | jair | InitX, do this please #uname -a |
| 04:01.55 | jair | and paste the result |
| 04:01.56 | SerajewelKS | jair, alsamixer? |
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| 04:02.10 | jair | SerajewelKS, i will check that out I think that one is |
| 04:02.15 | InitX | Linux HRWEB-2 2.6.8-2-686-smp #1 SMP Thu May 19 17:27:55 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 04:02.58 | InitX | jair-> then |
| 04:03.04 | jair | SerajewelKS, you got it |
| 04:03.09 | jair | InitX, paste the info |
| 04:03.23 | jair | InitX, so I can help you with the right info |
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| 04:03.35 | InitX | what info do u want toknow |
| 04:03.49 | jair | mine is:Linux caracas 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:03.58 | InitX | cat /proc/version |
| 04:03.58 | InitX | Linux version 2.6.8-2-686-smp (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12)) #1 SMP Thu May 19 17:27:55 JST 2005 |
| 04:04.01 | jair | InitX, so I can see exacly what do you have installed there |
| 04:04.28 | jair | InitX, are you running a pentium 4 ht? |
| 04:04.33 | InitX | yes |
| 04:04.36 | jair | ohh ok |
| 04:04.38 | jair | cool |
| 04:04.42 | ^Ocean^ | is there an OSX like application bar type clone were it xooms in on the icons when u move ur mouse over them in a pritty animated that i can run in Gnome ? |
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| 04:05.00 | jair | letls do this: apt-cahe policy mysql-server |
| 04:05.04 | jair | and tell me the result |
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| 04:05.23 | jair | SerajewelKS, thank you very much you got it :) |
| 04:05.27 | InitX | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.27 | InitX | mysql-server: |
| 04:05.27 | InitX | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.27 | InitX | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.27 | InitX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:05.30 | snoops | how's debians support for nforce 4 motherboards? |
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| 04:05.47 | xbm-x | http://www.freewebs.com/valinux/ |
| 04:06.01 | jair | InitX, you have to type the info here : pastebin.com |
| 04:06.03 | SerajewelKS | isn't there some command that needs to be run after mysql crashes? |
| 04:06.04 | xbm-x | oopa |
| 04:06.06 | dondelelcaro | snoops: if the kernel supports it, we support it. |
| 04:06.07 | xbm-x | oops |
| 04:06.17 | jair | InitX, you see that you do not have mysql server installed |
| 04:06.36 | InitX | i remove 1 min ago |
| 04:06.43 | jair | hmm ok do this please |
| 04:06.50 | cplx | how do I kill an SSH session? |
| 04:06.55 | jair | InitX, do not copy anymore all the results in the channe; |
| 04:06.55 | snoops | ok dondelelcaro, and does the kernel support it? |
| 04:06.58 | dondelelcaro | cplx: with kill |
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| 04:07.10 | dondelelcaro | snoops: google knows far better than we will. |
| 04:07.12 | jair | InitX, if you want to be kicked out again |
| 04:07.27 | snoops | what kernel does sarge use again? |
| 04:07.34 | cplx | root tty1 - Mon 6am 19:49m 0.01s 0.01s -bash |
| 04:07.44 | cplx | say I want to kill that login/session, how would I do it? |
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| 04:07.53 | black13 | dpkg build kernel |
| 04:08.01 | misadran | hey all!! |
| 04:08.08 | misadran | i have a big problem... |
| 04:08.10 | black13 | dpkg hey |
| 04:08.10 | dpkg | Hello |
| 04:08.18 | chealer | snoops: 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 04:08.24 | black13 | dpkg build kernel 2.6 |
| 04:08.24 | dondelelcaro | snoops: 2.6.8 or 2.4.27; but you can trivially build your own. |
| 04:08.28 | misadran | why my pppoe connection expires??? |
| 04:08.32 | InitX | jair-> ok |
| 04:08.33 | InitX | i c |
| 04:09.08 | cplx | say I want to kill the following login/session, how would I do it? :: root tty1 - Mon 6am 19:49m 0.01s 0.01s -bash |
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| 04:09.35 | dondelelcaro | cplx: ps axfu|less; find the appropriate pid; kill PID. |
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| 04:10.24 | misadran | somebody help me!!! |
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| 04:10.53 | dondelelcaro | misadran: stop with the excess punctuation please. Your pppoe connnection is probably dying because it isn't active, or your provider has it set up that way. |
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| 04:11.29 | misadran | mm... dondelelcaro, i'm already connected with my pppoe conection |
| 04:11.58 | misadran | the problem is that, some minutes past and it expires |
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| 04:12.51 | dondelelcaro | misadran: yes, so turn on the persist option |
| 04:13.09 | misadran | how? |
| 04:13.36 | dondelelcaro | misadran: edit your /etc/ppp/peers/* file as appropriate to add that option. |
| 04:13.47 | misadran | uhhh |
| 04:13.51 | misadran | thanks |
| 04:13.55 | misadran | ......... |
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| 04:15.00 | Quinn_Storm | well, I basically have my networking problem solved, just need to do one more thing and get samba set up on that box so I can smbmount shares & forward them to the "real" world of the local network |
| 04:15.14 | black13 | crap what is the debian commands to prepare to build the kernel |
| 04:16.23 | black13 | quiet err im transmitting rage |
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| 04:16.45 | b0xy | how do I find out what the apt-get package name is for a package? I'm looking for superkaramba and it won't install with just that name |
| 04:17.09 | cplx | Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 0.52 seconds =123.08 MB/sec |
| 04:17.14 | cplx | is that decent? |
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| 04:17.52 | sham|monk | What is the command to reconfigure X? I need to set the vesa driver instead of what it autodected. |
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| 04:19.26 | dieeasy | SerajewelKS: i followed your hint and you were right. I installed hdparm and tried to enable dma, I get "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" in response and i found something similar googling, but I wasn't able to reach the point..could it be some kernel compile-time mistake I've made? thnx! |
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| 04:20.11 | SerajewelKS | dieeasy, you're using a custom-built kernel?! |
| 04:20.49 | dieeasy | SerajewelKS: yes, I forgot to mention, sorry |
| 04:20.57 | SerajewelKS | dieeasy, why the heck would you want to do that |
| 04:21.17 | SerajewelKS | dieeasy, in general, if you're not using a stock debian kernel, we can't help you with any kernel problems |
| 04:21.39 | dieeasy | SerajewelKS: the only reason is I am trying to get a low-latency audio system and tried realtime-LSM (requires SELinux support if I remember well) |
| 04:21.53 | SerajewelKS | dieeasy, well, c |
| 04:21.55 | SerajewelKS | oops |
| 04:22.10 | SerajewelKS | dieeasy, make sure that DMA is enabled in the kernel. that's all i can say... |
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| 04:23.12 | Coag | !drxx |
| 04:23.12 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 04:23.30 | dan2_ | dpkg: test |
| 04:23.30 | dpkg | No, dan2_, you're not online any more. |
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| 04:24.34 | SerajewelKS | is mysql-server-5.0 stable or beta? if not, why is mysql-server-4.1 also in etch? |
| 04:24.45 | SerajewelKS | s/if not/if not stable/ |
| 04:25.28 | dieeasy | SerajewelKS: i remember enabling it in every compile i do (I think I did, at least). Anyway I'll try a stock kernel and see, any ideas as how to figure out the differences between stock and hand-compiled? thanks for all, now I know what's going wrong! |
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| 04:25.58 | SerajewelKS | dieeasy, your drive might also not support DMA |
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| 04:27.20 | Nurbs | eww. bugs.debian.org looks so post-2000 |
| 04:27.43 | SerajewelKS | 2005 |
| 04:27.45 | SerajewelKS | hmm... |
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| 04:28.14 | trym | I changed testing to unstable in my sources.list. after doing apt-get upgrade, my entire kde programs menu is gone.. any ideas on how to fix tihs? |
| 04:28.35 | dieeasy | SerajewelKS: hdparm -I [device] says: Capabilities: DMA: sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 *mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 and I tried hdparm -d1-X mdma2 [device], but I get the same error, it has to be a kernel compiling issue |
| 04:28.37 | Nurbs | looks like some CSS... well. |
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| 04:28.53 | c_olin | how can I change the time? |
| 04:29.30 | SerajewelKS | dieeasy, yeah, that sounds about right. been a while since i messed with DMA. (almost typed DNA there...) |
| 04:29.47 | dieeasy | SerajewelKS: thanks for your help, I'll go on tomorrow with this, it's 6.25am here... |
| 04:29.48 | dondelelcaro | !tell c_olin -about set the time |
| 04:30.25 | SerajewelKS | dieeasy, np, hope you get it working |
| 04:30.47 | SerajewelKS | !tell trym about unstable |
| 04:31.07 | dieeasy | bye bye to all |
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| 04:31.24 | SerajewelKS | trym, if you upgrade to unstable, the system becomes... unstable! imagine that! want a working system? use stable or testing. |
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| 04:32.04 | raya | moin |
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| 04:33.26 | SerajewelKS | i'm flabbergasted by the volume of people saying "help, i upgraded to unstable and now ___ doesn't work" |
| 04:33.48 | Nurbs | heh |
| 04:33.49 | Nurbs | yeah... |
| 04:33.59 | Nurbs | there's enough stuff that isn't working in stable either. |
| 04:34.02 | Nurbs | :-) |
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| 04:34.34 | SerajewelKS | oh if only i could shout to the world... if something is called "unstable" THERE IS A REASON |
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| 04:37.15 | Lewoco | Why can't I mount smbfs as an ordinary user? I've specified 'user' in the list of options.... |
| 04:37.37 | Lewoco | It always comes back with permission denied, but it works perfectly if I do it as root. |
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| 04:38.05 | jmob | Is there a debian command to dump a bunch of data as hex? |
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| 04:38.06 | PandaKun | hey |
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| 04:38.16 | PandaKun | you guys know how to fix this "Trinoo_Master" thing? |
| 04:38.17 | PandaKun | "ingreslock |
| 04:38.20 | PandaKun | and that thing? |
| 04:38.23 | jmob | s/debian/standard debian package/ |
| 04:38.39 | Lewoco | jmob: man od |
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| 04:38.45 | Nurbs | or hd :) |
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| 04:38.54 | SerajewelKS | Lewoco, because you need to be root to mount things... |
| 04:39.03 | Lewoco | Not if you specify user... |
| 04:39.11 | SerajewelKS | Lewoco, if you specify user in fstab |
| 04:39.30 | phil-debian | hello. i just installed the base debian sarge. when i try to compile drivers, i get errors that i do not get on my other laptop. what packages (other than buildessentials) do i need to compile properly? |
| 04:39.31 | jmob | Lewoco: thanks, I'd seen it before, just couldn't remember |
| 04:39.32 | SerajewelKS | Lewoco, are you doing 'mount so-and-so -o user' ? |
| 04:39.43 | Lewoco | No |
| 04:39.55 | Lewoco | The details of the mount are in fstab. |
| 04:40.03 | martian16 | Hi there -- has anyone had the experience of the installer detecting and loading kernel modules properly, but then upon reboot, discovering that it installed a kernel image (2.6...-686-smp) and modules that are incompatible with that kernel image? |
| 04:40.03 | SerajewelKS | Lewoco, ... smbfs is a FUSE-based filesystem, right? |
| 04:40.16 | xoz | Lewoco: check the phil-debian try auto-apt |
| 04:40.25 | Nurbs | SerajewelKS: nope |
| 04:40.29 | martian16 | Specifically, installing modules for 2.6...-386. |
| 04:40.35 | Lewoco | SerajewelKS: I don't know what fuse is. |
| 04:40.57 | SerajewelKS | Nurbs, right, i knew that... |
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| 04:41.10 | SerajewelKS | Lewoco, what is the fstab line |
| 04:41.15 | Nurbs | heh |
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| 04:41.48 | PandaKun | ah. |
| 04:41.50 | PandaKun | its just portsentry |
| 04:41.56 | PandaKun | jesus should i just turn portsentry off? |
| 04:41.58 | Lewoco | //hw-randd1/work/mnt/hw-randd1/worksmbfsdefaults,noauto,user,username=harold,password=harold0 0 |
| 04:42.00 | Nurbs | am I going to build 2.6.13-rc6 or wait even longer, bah :) |
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| 04:42.01 | SerajewelKS | Nurbs, smbfs /should/ be exported to user-space IMHO.. FUSE would be a good way to do that |
| 04:42.15 | Nurbs | SerajewelKS: why? |
| 04:42.24 | martian16- | ah, much better... graphical client. |
| 04:42.32 | SerajewelKS | Nurbs, why not? smbclient is in user-space... |
| 04:42.56 | Nurbs | SerajewelKS: hm. why not for NFS? why not for XFS, JFS, reiser, ext2, ext3? :) |
| 04:42.58 | SerajewelKS | Nurbs, it's not often that root needs to mount an SMB share, but users need to do it all the time |
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| 04:43.25 | Nurbs | SerajewelKS: well... that's another problem. one could easily provide a decent wrapper |
| 04:43.27 | SerajewelKS | Nurbs, NFS is being exported ... or rewritten. google FunFS |
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| 04:43.38 | Nurbs | SerajewelKS: you mean... to make it more inefficient? :) |
| 04:43.50 | SerajewelKS | Nurbs, and the others don't make sense to export, because you mount a device, which users shouldn't have access to. |
| 04:44.14 | martian16- | Hi there -- having a problem with the debian sarge stable installer. It installs modules and a kernel image that are incompatible/different. |
| 04:44.32 | SerajewelKS | Nurbs, IMHO any filesystem that creates it's tree from a non-physical source (e.g. network share (FunFS), local tree (encfs)) should be exported to user-space, unless there is a really good reason. |
| 04:44.46 | Nurbs | SerajewelKS: efficiency :) |
| 04:44.51 | Lewoco | SerajewelKS: Any idea what's wrong with my fstab line? |
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| 04:45.11 | SerajewelKS | Nurbs, it's more efficient for me to mount the darn thing when i want then have to su first |
| 04:45.13 | Nurbs | SerajewelKS: one can easily write a user-space mount wrapper for all of them, I don't think that's an argument for rewriting a NFS (like smbfs) in user-space |
| 04:45.36 | SerajewelKS | Lewoco, dunno, looks good from here |
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| 04:46.13 | SerajewelKS | Nurbs, FunFS looks pretty darn good... and better than NFS. whether it catches on in another deal. |
| 04:46.22 | SerajewelKS | s/in/is |
| 04:47.03 | SerajewelKS | either way, by "efficiency" we're talking about losing a few nanoseconds per read? if i'm saving a 4k file to an SMB share, that doesn't really bother me. |
| 04:47.27 | SerajewelKS | i'd rather be able to mount an SMB share on a box where i don't have root. |
| 04:47.45 | Nurbs | as I've said, one can easily provide a wrapper for that :) |
| 04:47.57 | dondelelcaro | that's what smbmount is for |
| 04:48.06 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, don't you need root to do that? |
| 04:48.10 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: no. |
| 04:48.38 | PandaKun | is portsentry a good idea? |
| 04:48.58 | SerajewelKS | !tell InitX about in the channel |
| 04:49.03 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, i'll be darned |
| 04:49.22 | SerajewelKS | Nurbs, forget what i said |
| 04:49.24 | Nurbs | PandaKun: probably not if you have to ask :) |
| 04:49.36 | InitX | SerajewelKS-> /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 04:49.39 | InitX | failed |
| 04:49.54 | SerajewelKS | InitX, what does 'ps ax | grep mysql' say |
| 04:49.57 | InitX | /usr/bin/mysqladmin connect to server at 'localhost'fiald |
| 04:50.15 | InitX | root 8898 0.0 0.0 1832 588 pts/1 S+ 13:12 0:00 grep sql |
| 04:50.23 | InitX | only this |
| 04:50.26 | SerajewelKS | InitX, which mysql-server package did you install |
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| 04:50.46 | PandaKun | lol |
| 04:50.48 | PandaKun | i installed it |
| 04:50.50 | PandaKun | i heard bad rumors abut it |
| 04:50.55 | PandaKun | i think its stupid opening ports |
| 04:50.57 | PandaKun | just to scan lmao |
| 04:51.00 | InitX | error cant't connect to local MYSQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqqld/mysql.sock' |
| 04:51.01 | InitX | 4.1 |
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| 04:51.11 | InitX | SerajewelKS-> mysql-server 4.1 |
| 04:51.44 | SerajewelKS | InitX, weird... i was having that problem /until/ i upgraded to 4.1 |
| 04:53.31 | SerajewelKS | InitX, mysql seems to like rebooting... maybe you could try that |
| 04:53.51 | InitX | SerajewelKS-> i had done it before |
| 04:54.01 | SerajewelKS | InitX, don't know what to tell ya then... |
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| 04:54.28 | InitX | same error message |
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| 04:55.57 | imaek | I have a problem and I don't know where to ask about it. |
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| 04:56.22 | imaek | I have two machines (one Debian, one Ubuntu) both running on the same network, and for some reason they are both under the same IP address? |
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| 04:59.15 | Karnaugh | imaek: so change the ip address? |
| 04:59.34 | imaek | ...erm...how? |
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| 05:10.08 | cspenc | hi, i just did an upgrade on an old woody system I have that upgraded mysql to 3.23.49, but now mysql won't properly start up. The mysql logs show nothing. any ideas? |
| 05:11.12 | cspenc | i went back to my old config and that works, but I am trying to figure out why the new version fails |
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| 05:13.31 | PandaKun | !smux |
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| 05:13.47 | SimonRaven | cspenc: see the docs at mysql.com. it has stuff for migrating. i suggest dist-upgrading to sarge (current stable) |
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| 05:15.10 | punsad | anyone use ecasound? |
| 05:15.13 | tanuki | Where is the proper place to discuss a pppd problem? |
| 05:15.25 | SimonRaven | tanuki: just ask |
| 05:15.33 | cspenc | SimonRaven: but sarge is so scary... I am going to do it, but only when I within 10 miles of this system. Currently I am 1000 miles :-) |
| 05:15.34 | punsad | I'm having problem running ecasound with cron |
| 05:15.54 | tanuki | SimonRaven: Even though I've specified 'persist' in my pppd peer config, pppd dies before it gets a chance to reconnect |
| 05:16.06 | punsad | for some reason... it just doesn't run. |
| 05:16.16 | SimonRaven | cspenc: of course you should be concerned, but this isn't redhat. it's made to be upgradable |
| 05:16.22 | tanuki | I get this in /var/logs/messages: Aug 23 04:55:05 localhost pppd[10458]: tcsetattr: Invalid argument (line 1010) |
| 05:16.26 | tanuki | and then pppd exist |
| 05:16.28 | tanuki | exits |
| 05:16.50 | SimonRaven | i can't give help since i'm leaving to tend to a sick server. sorry |
| 05:17.00 | cspenc | SimonRaven: yeah, but I figure I want to do a kernel upgrade as well |
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| 05:17.33 | SimonRaven | tanuki: check /etc/ppp/options? check the provider file too (or dsl-provider or whatever) |
| 05:17.41 | PandaKun | hm |
| 05:17.49 | PandaKun | you guys know why none of my emails by logwatch arent being emailed? |
| 05:17.51 | jab2 | How can I tell what is contributing to "load" as displayed by uptime? |
| 05:18.09 | tanuki | SimonRaven: The connection works when I initiate it... it only fails when it tries to auto-reconnect |
| 05:18.18 | martian16- | How do I clear an mbr without destroying data in the partitions on the disk? |
| 05:18.21 | SimonRaven | cspenc: well, you can install a kernel, fix the symlink so the old kernel is default (or edit grub), and do the kernel reboot when you're there |
| 05:18.21 | tanuki | SimonRaven: and persist is in the provider file |
| 05:18.44 | SimonRaven | well, see man pppd, and what you set to change it. see ya |
| 05:19.00 | PandaKun | hey simon |
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| 05:19.07 | PandaKun | what does /var/log/messages log? |
| 05:19.10 | PandaKun | hack attempts? |
| 05:19.24 | jab2 | martian16 - I think you can dd the first 512 bytes of the disk to zero |
| 05:19.42 | jab2 | martian16: also, mdadm has a routine for clearing the mbr, I think |
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| 05:19.54 | jab2 | martian16: make a backup first, though |
| 05:19.56 | martian16- | jab2: the first 512 bytes won't ruin a partition table |
| 05:20.01 | cspenc | SimonRaven: it ain't gentoo, so I can probably do the whole upgrade while I am sitting there |
| 05:20.01 | martian16- | err ? |
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| 05:20.30 | jab2 | martian16: as I said, make a backup and double check on that 512 bytes thing, I may be wrong |
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| 05:20.49 | swim2 | hey, has anyone installed mythtv succesfully on debian? |
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| 05:21.46 | jab2 | so.. now that I've kinda sorta answered someone's question... |
| 05:22.05 | martian16- | 8-) |
| 05:22.05 | jab2 | ... who know how to figure out what contributes to the load number seen in "top" and "uptime" ? |
| 05:22.48 | martian16- | jab2: I suspect it's a kernel routine that keeps accounting of process cpu times, and that top and uptime just browse the pid table. |
| 05:23.39 | SimonRaven | cspenc: sure. just have coffee or something while you wait ;) |
| 05:23.46 | jab2 | martian2: I'm pretty sure that a process sitting around waiting for I/O contributes 1 load unit |
| 05:23.48 | kadigibox | Hello I have a question. I own my own domain and I am am going to set up an ISP. How would I set it so that my hostmask would use the domain name? Is that a proxy? How would I set that up? |
| 05:24.04 | jab2 | martian2: but I don't know how to find out which processes they are |
| 05:24.26 | jab2 | Somebody has got to know this stuff... :) |
| 05:24.33 | saboteur | kadigibox: probably set the right ptr record in dns |
| 05:24.37 | tanuki | Meh, the problem is with pppd 2.4.3 |
| 05:24.42 | tanuki | http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=76205 |
| 05:25.01 | cspenc | SimonRaven: well thx for the info. going to bed. |
| 05:25.09 | kadigibox | saboteur, how would I do this. you have any websites that explain? |
| 05:25.10 | martian16- | jab2: for processes in a sleeping state, I imagine they don't really contribute load. the kernel wakes them when it sees their i/o complete. but the kernel waits for the i/o, not the processes. |
| 05:25.30 | saboteur | who provides your bandwidth? |
| 05:25.56 | tanuki | How can I install ppp version 2.4.1 on my Sarge box? |
| 05:26.01 | jab2 | jab2: well I have a computer with load 11 and top showing the processor mostly idle |
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| 05:26.18 | jab2 | martian2: oops, talking to myself |
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| 05:27.27 | kadigibox | saboteur, Quest does |
| 05:27.55 | jab2 | tanuki: what version comes with sarge? |
| 05:28.01 | tanuki | jab2: 2.4.3 |
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| 05:28.09 | tanuki | which has a bug with the persist option |
| 05:28.14 | saboteur | you need to tell them that you want your nameservers to be used for the reverse lookup of your ip range |
| 05:28.22 | martian16- | jab2: I've played with the minix kernel and process scheduling and load, but not the linux kernel -- I'd have to open the files to see what contributes to load or how it's calculated -- that or google =) |
| 05:28.39 | jab2 | tanuki: what version is in sid? |
| 05:28.44 | tanuki | jab2: no idea |
| 05:29.27 | tanuki | 2.4.3-20050321+2 |
| 05:29.38 | jab2 | tanuki: bummer |
| 05:29.58 | jab2 | tanuki: I see it has a stack of bugs, too |
| 05:30.08 | jab2 | tanuki: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/ppp.html |
| 05:30.12 | tanuki | Is there any alternative to the stock pppd? |
| 05:30.37 | jab2 | tanuki: well... depends on how painful pppd is. |
| 05:30.44 | jab2 | tanuki: You can apt-get source pppd |
| 05:30.54 | jab2 | tanuki: Then get the new tarball from upstream |
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| 05:31.18 | jab2 | tanuki: Then run uupdate from the sarges source directory with the new tarball as the argument |
| 05:31.39 | jab2 | tanuki: If that works, you have the ability to make a new package |
| 05:31.53 | jab2 | tanuki: Go to the new source directory and do "debuild -us -uc" |
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| 05:32.02 | jab2 | tanuki: Install the resulting .deb(s) |
| 05:32.17 | jab2 | tanuki: But if pppd doesn't cooperate you are hosed, |
| 05:32.21 | bonnie2 | Hello. I just did a fresh install, and I am experiencing some issues with firefox. I would like to downgrade firefox by one revision, but I'm not sure how to get older versions of packages |
| 05:32.23 | jab2 | hosed, and hosed. |
| 05:32.39 | jm_ | bonnie2: that'll teach you not to use sid |
| 05:32.41 | jab2 | martian16: not so easy to find on google |
| 05:33.03 | bonnie2 | jm_, this is a sarge machine, fresh install, and as I've talked to other, there are issues with tabs crashing firefox |
| 05:33.13 | bonnie2 | s/other/others |
| 05:33.14 | uira | I need help... my mathe has formated my Hard disk, and install debian (but she dont know that :P )... anyone knows a tool for recovery my archives? |
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| 05:33.18 | ke6isf | bonnie2: That's odd, I have no trouble here. |
| 05:33.19 | jm_ | bonnie2: and it worked in older version? |
| 05:33.29 | tanuki | jab2: the tarball hasn't been updated since 2.4.3 |
| 05:33.31 | jab2 | tanuki: backports.org *might* also be helpful, but I doubt it |
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| 05:33.50 | crime | when I run firefox on my sarge machine, i get this message: Segmentation fault |
| 05:34.00 | jab2 | tanuki: huh? You need to get the upstream tarball. |
| 05:34.05 | crime | sound familiar? |
| 05:34.14 | tanuki | jab2: that's what I meant |
| 05:34.22 | tanuki | jab2: the upstream tarball hasn't been updated since 2.4.3 |
| 05:34.25 | bonnie2 | ke6isf, jm_: It was working fine on my old machine, and I upgraded, and tabs kept crashing firefox. I was able to get the last version from the cache, but this is a new machine and I don't have access to that anymore |
| 05:34.32 | jm_ | maybe the security update fucks it uo |
| 05:34.33 | jab2 | tanuki: so has upstream made a release? |
| 05:34.39 | tanuki | jab2: no |
| 05:34.40 | jm_ | bonnie2: tried sdn? |
| 05:34.52 | ke6isf | jm_: Was there a security update on ff today? |
| 05:34.55 | mwilson | Ok, howinhell are you supposed to build against lua on Debian? |
| 05:34.59 | jab2 | tanuki: so you want to run an unrelease ppd. Ah... |
| 05:35.04 | mwilson | Nothing provides liblua |
| 05:35.10 | bonnie2 | jm_, I didn't know about it, but the dpkg bot was informative... thanks |
| 05:35.14 | jm_ | ke6isf: not today, a few days ago |
| 05:35.21 | mwilson | Just different soversions. |
| 05:35.27 | tanuki | jab2: No. |
| 05:35.27 | ke6isf | jm_: Yeah, that I got. No problems. |
| 05:35.33 | bonnie2 | btw - I'm not a chick, this is my wifes machine, if that matters :) |
| 05:35.33 | tanuki | jab2: I just want to find a version that works. |
| 05:35.48 | ke6isf | bonnie2: Are you running stock Sarge firefox, or do you have plugins? |
| 05:35.54 | jm_ | ke6isf: I haven't upgraded yet ;) |
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| 05:36.13 | jab2 | tanuki: well, running unreleased software is a little ambitious |
| 05:36.18 | ke6isf | jm_: Might be wise. I wonder then if this is a schroedinbug. |
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| 05:36.37 | tanuki | jab2: 1. I'm not a linux n00b.... just been away from Debian for a couple of years. |
| 05:36.41 | jab2 | tanuki: do you know how to get the upstream source code? |
| 05:36.50 | jab2 | tanuki: ok sorry. |
| 05:36.52 | tanuki | jab2: I don't want to run unreleased source. |
| 05:37.02 | jab2 | tanuki: what do you want to do? |
| 05:37.03 | tanuki | jab2: The latest upstream source is the same code that is in the 2.4.3 deb |
| 05:37.07 | tanuki | jab2: Downgrade. |
| 05:37.16 | tanuki | 2.4.1 works, according to reports. |
| 05:37.17 | pdiddles | does anybody knwo anything bout xdsl for xbox? |
| 05:37.29 | bonnie2 | ke6isf, no plugins, but I have the mediaplayerconnectivity extension installed so far |
| 05:37.40 | jab2 | tanuki: the concept never occured to me. :) |
| 05:37.42 | jm_ | mwilson: sure it does |
| 05:37.44 | ke6isf | bonnie2: Try uninistalling that and running stock? |
| 05:38.00 | tanuki | jab2: ppp-2.4.1 requires libpcap0 << 0.7.0 |
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| 05:38.08 | tanuki | and ppp-2.4.3 requires libpcap-0.7 |
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| 05:38.12 | ke6isf | pdiddles: And you, sir, get the "offtopic request of the year" award! |
| 05:38.30 | ke6isf | pdiddles: Or at least are nominated for it. |
| 05:38.47 | jab2 | tanuki: is upstream having trouble fixing the problem you are encountering? |
| 05:38.49 | bonnie2 | ke6isf, firefox was running _perfect_ for me, and then someone came in here asking if anyone else was experiencing crashes when manipulating tabs. I had no issues prior, but I upgraded to sarge2 or whatever it is now, and I get crashes about every 30 minutes |
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| 05:39.05 | bonnie2 | that was on the old machine |
| 05:39.06 | ke6isf | sarge2? =O.o= |
| 05:39.07 | tanuki | jab2: I don't know... but there hasn't been a source release since |
| 05:40.16 | bonnie2 | 1.0.4-2sarge2 |
| 05:40.26 | jab2 | tanuki: well... here's my best thoughts |
| 05:40.41 | jab2 | tanuki: 1) make sure there's a bug filed with debian on the topic |
| 05:40.46 | bonnie2 | I was running 1.0.4-2sarge1 without any issues, until buddy came in and asked if anyone else was experiencing problems with the latest upgrade, at which point I upgraded :) |
| 05:40.52 | jab2 | tanuki: 2) maybe yell at upstream as well |
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| 05:40.57 | ke6isf | Ah, *that* sarge2. |
| 05:41.29 | jab2 | tanuki: 3) if the version you want is in woody, apt-get source that and see if debuild -us -uc saves the day |
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| 05:41.54 | tanuki | and/or 4) just live with it until there's an update |
| 05:42.08 | jab2 | tanuki: 4) other than that I'm not sure what to suggest other than try to fix the problem directory in pppd |
| 05:42.16 | jab2 | I have to go |
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| 05:42.17 | tanuki | hmm, this is odd |
| 05:42.18 | tanuki | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/ppp/ppp_2.4.3-20050321+2/changelog |
| 05:42.25 | tanuki | ppp (2.4.3-20050321+1) unstable; urgency=high |
| 05:42.25 | tanuki | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.25 | tanuki | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:42.36 | tanuki | I'm running 2.4.3-20050321+2 |
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| 05:42.41 | pdiddles | dude ok |
| 05:42.45 | pdiddles | how am i off topic? |
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| 05:43.23 | dondelelcaro | pdiddles: this is #debian; we have nothing to do with xdsl or the xbox. |
| 05:43.40 | ke6isf | pdiddles: You asked about DSL for a video game console manufactured by Microsoft. Debian has absolutely nothing to do with that. |
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| 05:45.11 | concept10 | Im trying to mount a fat32 drive on my server and it says invalid filesystem, how do I verify that the partition is still intact? |
| 05:45.51 | bob2 | showing us the mount like you used would help |
| 05:46.00 | bob2 | if only to rule out you trying to mount the device instead of the partition |
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| 05:46.09 | bob2 | then showing us the fdisk -l output |
| 05:46.20 | concept10 | mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/jukebox -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000 |
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| 05:47.12 | dsf | .cl |
| 05:47.12 | concept10 | oh, I forgot to change the letter,, duh! |
| 05:47.43 | dondelelcaro | also, umask=000 is generally not the brightest thing to be setting |
| 05:48.10 | concept10 | I was trying to mount hdc, not hda.. I thought i screwed my mp3 collection |
| 05:48.26 | concept10 | I dont even know what umask means |
| 05:48.36 | ke6isf | !umask |
| 05:48.37 | dpkg | methinks umask is 'man 2 umask', or there is no manpage for umask |
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| 05:48.49 | ke6isf | Wow, that was helpful. |
| 05:48.55 | pdiddles | ummmm dsl is not a video game |
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| 05:48.59 | concept10 | I guess I still wont know, not tonight |
| 05:49.03 | bob2 | pdiddles: and it's not Debian, either |
| 05:49.08 | bob2 | pdiddles: #dsl or #xboxlinux |
| 05:49.12 | ke6isf | pdiddles: xbox is, and IT is not Debian. |
| 05:49.15 | ke6isf | !lart pdiddles |
| 05:49.16 | pdiddles | ummm ive been here before for dsl help and they helped me |
| 05:49.37 | ke6isf | pdiddles: Was it a Debian system? |
| 05:49.59 | pdiddles | well whatever dudes. dont help me then |
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| 05:50.19 | ke6isf | With pleasure. =^_^= |
| 05:50.30 | asb002 | doesn't he know that you don't come to #debian for help? |
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| 05:50.51 | ke6isf | asb002: Oh, we'll help him, alright. =^_^= |
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| 05:52.07 | jerry | Has anyone encountered a problem when copying music from a ntfs partition to an ext3 partition? |
| 05:52.15 | ke6isf | bob2: I get the feeling that such a ban at this point is superfluous, being that he tried to pull a guilt trip. |
| 05:52.27 | concept10 | I need a suggestion, my mp3 collection is in my server box, I want to be able to listen to those files using something like rhythmbox or quod libet, the problem is the server doesnt show up in my file dialog box |
| 05:52.28 | bob2 | meh |
| 05:52.40 | bob2 | I'm going home and don't want idiots bothering people while I'm gone |
| 05:52.41 | ke6isf | bob2: But then, you're an op - your call. =^_^= |
| 05:52.56 | mwilson | bloody hell... I altered configure.ac, whyinhell can't you find the library... |
| 05:52.58 | bob2 | concept10: mount it then |
| 05:53.08 | sep | concept10, mount it with nfs, |
| 05:53.10 | concept10 | bob2, its mounted already |
| 05:53.30 | concept10 | bob2, it doesnt show in the gnome file dialog box |
| 05:53.31 | mwilson | I *hate* autotools. |
| 05:53.36 | bob2 | mwilson: rerun aclocal && autoconf && automake? |
| 05:53.58 | sep | concept10, and te user you run plyers as, have read and access rights to the mount and files ? |
| 05:54.00 | bob2 | concept10: the mountpoint doesn't? |
| 05:54.01 | bob2 | that's a pretty bizarre bug |
| 05:54.17 | jerry | Anyone know what could cause mp3 files transfered from ntfs to ext3 to not play in any player? |
| 05:54.56 | asb002 | jerry: improper permissions on the files, perhaps |
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| 05:55.43 | mwilson | bob2: It's the weirdest thing... I modified the .ac file, I re-ran autoconf, it updated configure, I checked to make sure my changes were there (they are), but when I actually run configure, it does the old stuff. |
| 05:55.48 | concept10 | sep, yes. I do it all of the time. I use the mounting function in nautilus to mount my server over ssh. It shows in some apps and not in others. Im trying to find a way to be able to see my server in every application. |
| 05:56.08 | bob2 | mwilson: hm, dropped config.cache? |
| 05:56.14 | sep | concept10, mount it with nfs |
| 05:56.15 | jerry | asb002 : would only the read permisison being applied cause that? |
| 05:56.18 | bob2 | jerry: are they corrupt? |
| 05:56.26 | bob2 | concept10: nautilus doesn't mount anything |
| 05:56.28 | mwilson | bob2: Don't have one. |
| 05:56.33 | jerry | no i listened to them the day before on my xp installation |
| 05:56.39 | mwilson | bob2: That's another thing... one isn't getting created. |
| 05:56.51 | asb002 | jerry: or ownership problems |
| 05:56.53 | concept10 | bob2, you know what I mean |
| 05:56.56 | bob2 | jerry: no, that's not the right answer. did you see if they are byte-for-byte identical on the two systems? |
| 05:57.07 | concept10 | sep, how do I do that? |
| 05:57.09 | jerry | i had to mount the partition utf8 to be able to copy them to my home dir |
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| 05:57.28 | jerry | -r-------- 1 root staff 4663022 2005-08-22 23:58 You're Gonna Miss Me When I'm Gone.mp3 |
| 05:57.34 | sep | concept10, man exports |
| 05:57.51 | bob2 | jerry: did you check the contents or not? |
| 05:57.52 | sep | concept10, make sure you have portmapper installed and running on both computers, |
| 05:58.18 | jerry | bob2 : the sizes are the same and everything as far as that goes seems to be fine |
| 05:58.28 | sep | concept10, and ofcouse install nfs-[user|kernel]-server on the server |
| 05:58.43 | sep | concept10, and nfs-client on the client |
| 05:58.50 | bob2 | 15:57:40 bob2 | jerry: did you check the contents or not? |
| 05:58.52 | concept10 | I use this in nautilus:sftp://concept10@192.168.2.31:22/ |
| 05:58.58 | bob2 | if your answer is "I don't know how", then say so |
| 05:59.07 | bob2 | then I can say "use md5sum on them both", and we can move on |
| 05:59.13 | bob2 | <somesortofsmiley> |
| 05:59.17 | mwilson | fscking godsbedamned IDIOTIC upstream... |
| 05:59.22 | jerry | I guess i don't know sorry thought you might be talking about sizes :\ |
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| 05:59.54 | mwilson | whyinhell do you define LUA_LIBS if you don't fscking USE it!? |
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| 06:00.00 | mwilson | grr grr grr |
| 06:00.01 | bob2 | haha |
| 06:00.10 | bob2 | if it involves lua, you have already lost |
| 06:00.18 | bob2 | because all the documentation will be in japanese or welsh |
| 06:00.28 | concept10 | sep, I guess I will dig into NFS later, thats something I need to learn, I think i will just install slimserver |
| 06:00.39 | sep | concept10, if you'd mount your ftp, with lufs, instead of nautilus, you might have a more sane system |
| 06:00.50 | concept10 | lufs? |
| 06:00.56 | mwilson | I'd like to shoot the Debian maintainer, too... he maintains lua-config via alternatives, but doesn't establish a bloody symlink for the fscking library |
| 06:01.00 | sep | !lufs |
| 06:01.01 | dpkg | i guess lufs is a hybrid userspace file system framework, which allows you to mount into your file hierarchy a remote computer's file system, which is accessible by various means (ftp, ssh, etc.). See http://lufs.sourceforge.net/lufs/, or apt-cache show lufs-{source,utils} |
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| 06:01.22 | mwilson | So you have liblua40 and liblua50, but applications want liblua, and nothing to tell them which. |
| 06:02.37 | mwilson | Ok, now whereinhell is configure getting this... |
| 06:03.22 | concept10 | sep, when using lufs, will it show up in the gnome filesystem dialog boxes? |
| 06:04.06 | sep | concept10, my lufs+ssh mount does, so i can only guess your ftp will too |
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| 06:05.31 | jerry | well i think i found part of the problem... |
| 06:05.41 | mwilson | Grrr, it'd have been easier to just stuff the symlink into /usr/lib |
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| 06:08.45 | jkaufman | its ok, dont cry :) |
| 06:08.47 | jkaufman | hehe |
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| 06:10.28 | Tzi | Hi =) |
| 06:10.30 | Tzi | Does anyone have the file 'dvb-dibusb-5.0.0.11.fw', or 'dvb-dtt200u-1.fw'? I've just got myself a USB digital tv tuner, and it needs the firmware.... Good ol' linuxtv.org appears to be down, though, so I can't retrieve it.. |
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| 06:10.59 | Codeus | Hey, what is the name of that Photoshop clone for Linux? I saw it on some random blog once, it wasn't Gimp but it was more of a Photoshop clone for Linux |
| 06:11.09 | jkaufman | gimp? |
| 06:11.18 | jkaufman | (if my memory serves me right) |
| 06:11.27 | peterS | jkaufman: he specifically said "it wasn't Gimp" |
| 06:11.37 | concept10 | gimpshop |
| 06:11.38 | jkaufman | err, helps if i read |
| 06:11.39 | sep | Codeus, i know there is a 'skin/theme' for gimp that makes it look like photoshop (for those that can't cope with buttons in a different locations) |
| 06:11.51 | Codeus | nah, it was its own program |
| 06:11.54 | jkaufman | peterS: you gotta catch me before i make an ass out of myself :) |
| 06:12.08 | concept10 | maybe youre talking about inkscape |
| 06:12.42 | peterS | there's also cinepaint which is a fork of the gimp intended to meet the needs of retouching movie film |
| 06:12.57 | peterS | apparently they use insane color depths (48 bit), which the gimp didn't support |
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| 06:14.00 | peterS | ahh, cinepaint supports 96-bit color. crazy, crazy people. |
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| 06:15.05 | peterS | 640,000 colors ought to be enough for anybody! |
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| 06:15.39 | siris | I have created a raid1 with mdadm...and set my two drives to fd(linux autodetect)..and now I cannot mount my /dev/md3 |
| 06:15.46 | siris | any suggestions? |
| 06:16.28 | peterS | siris: what do you mean "set my two drives" - are they partitioned? |
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| 06:16.56 | siris | two 80gig drives, I did a cfdisk on both and set the type to "fd" |
| 06:17.14 | peterS | siris: so each disk just has one partition spanning the whole thing, type fd |
| 06:17.40 | peterS | siris: yeah, that's the right way to do it. some people try to just use the whole drive *without* partitioning. this works but causes problems in a few situations |
| 06:17.40 | siris | then a I did a mdadm --create.... in /proc/mdstat and I can see my /dev/md3 being sync-ed |
| 06:17.41 | siris | yes |
| 06:17.56 | siris | so now, when I try to do a mount -t..I have no filetype |
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| 06:18.07 | jm_ | well you need to mkfs it first ... |
| 06:18.10 | peterS | siris: ok, I think you just missed one thing: creating the filesystem on the device |
| 06:18.23 | peterS | siris: mke2fs -j /dev/md3 |
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| 06:18.29 | peterS | (for example - that's for ext3) |
| 06:18.33 | siris | oooh okay |
| 06:18.34 | siris | haha |
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| 06:18.40 | siris | lets see here |
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| 06:19.30 | siris | yeah, because I kept going into cfdisk/fdisk to try and create the fs |
| 06:19.46 | siris | but there were no ext3, or reiser |
| 06:19.57 | siris | thank you peterS |
| 06:20.07 | peterS | siris: heh, no problem. you are actually the second person tonight to ask that same question |
| 06:20.23 | peterS | siris: the first one wasn't using raid, but it was the same problem of creating a partition but not creating a filesystem on it |
| 06:20.25 | siris | haha, well I am setting up an ftp/web server with 8 drives |
| 06:20.33 | siris | ahhh |
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| 06:20.52 | peterS | yeah, creating a partition, and formatting it as a particular type of filesystem, are two separate steps |
| 06:20.52 | siris | and, during the sarge install it will setup the other devices for you, but I had to have 1 ide slot for my hdd |
| 06:21.10 | peterS | right, the installer can do both for you, so I guess it isn't obvious that it *is* two separate steps |
| 06:21.14 | siris | so now, I unhooked the drive but was in unknown territory |
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| 06:21.41 | siris | w00t |
| 06:21.45 | siris | excellent, it mounted |
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| 06:21.49 | peterS | good, good |
| 06:21.53 | siris | thank you very much |
| 06:21.56 | peterS | see if 'df' reports reasonable stats |
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| 06:22.01 | peterS | no problem |
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| 06:22.04 | siris | yup |
| 06:22.18 | poncha|work | hi |
| 06:22.56 | anton_ | hi |
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| 06:23.37 | anton_ | hi, poncha |
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| 06:26.10 | wers | ...gm' |
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| 06:27.37 | wers | !sv |
| 06:27.38 | dpkg | somebody said sv was ask me about subversion |
| 06:28.24 | wers | !tell me aout kismet |
| 06:28.45 | wers | !tell me about alsa |
| 06:28.52 | peterS | sv isn't subversion, SV is a Perl "scalar value" in C <-> Perl glue code. svn is subversion. |
| 06:28.55 | ke6isf | !tell wers -about msg the bot |
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| 06:29.15 | wers | ke6isf thnx. |
| 06:29.22 | ke6isf | wers: You're welcome. |
| 06:29.46 | wers | ke6isf ,,, ya, but i feel it moore now.. ;)' |
| 06:30.09 | ke6isf | wers: Glad to help. And it's more, btw - Moore is a surname. |
| 06:30.15 | ke6isf | =^^= |
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| 06:30.55 | wers | ke6isf ..where u come from (and dont tell me to spell out "U") |
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| 06:31.52 | smartbhai | how can i start X without a mouse |
| 06:32.06 | Karnaugh | 'startx' |
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| 06:32.16 | ke6isf | wers: southern Califoria. |
| 06:32.20 | jm_ | smarth;man XF86Config-4 |
| 06:32.26 | jm_ | smartbhai ^^^^ |
| 06:32.42 | ke6isf | wers: And honestly, people will tell you to spell it out around here. We're kinda picky like that. =^^= |
| 06:32.54 | sep | !u |
| 06:32.54 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:33.02 | ke6isf | See? |
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| 06:33.38 | sep | dpkg is the evil bot of grammar |
| 06:33.39 | vol | Hello! |
| 06:34.36 | ke6isf | Hello vol |
| 06:34.52 | vol | I have dificukty to configure language, can help me ? |
| 06:35.15 | wers | vol in the console? |
| 06:35.28 | vol | no, in X |
| 06:35.51 | vol | for movies subtitle need corect character sets |
| 06:36.01 | wers | hmm, there are usual tools in the windowmanager, no? |
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| 06:36.14 | wers | vol aha,.. kk., |
| 06:36.20 | ke6isf | I wonder if defoma is the answer to the question. |
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| 06:36.58 | streuner | vol: do you have in other apps. problems as well? |
| 06:37.03 | vol | i can not find a place to put default character sets |
| 06:37.18 | vol | no |
| 06:37.55 | streuner | vol: did you change the app. yet? |
| 06:37.58 | poncha|work | i dont believe it.. i hit HDD troubles again.. on same server , fourth time :// is it bad luck to have this shit coming fourth time in a row on a single machine during half a year? :( |
| 06:38.07 | streuner | vol: tried vlc or mplayer or xine or whatever? |
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| 06:39.04 | vol | no, I just open the subtitle file and characters not displayed corect |
| 06:39.07 | ke6isf | Funny, but I think I actually am having a problem with Firefox. Clicking middle button - which should open a new tab - doesn't behave the way I expect it to. |
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| 06:41.21 | vol | Hello Johny! |
| 06:41.47 | vol | You can help me to configure romanian language for X? |
| 06:45.12 | johny | hello vol |
| 06:45.27 | johny | vol i think so.. |
| 06:45.27 | johny | :) |
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| 06:50.12 | mischko | how do I tell apt-get to reinstall all packages? |
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| 06:51.50 | ke6isf | mischko: reinstall *all* packages?! Why?! |
| 06:52.17 | streuner | mischko: that works only if you running NO backports |
| 06:52.17 | cartel_ | mischko: it is doable.. |
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| 06:52.30 | streuner | dpkg, reinstall |
| 06:52.30 | dpkg | reinstall is, like, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 06:52.33 | mischko | I have a wierd situation where I am on a server with my old server as a mnt point. I cleaned out some of the old server and accidentally cleaned out some of the new one by mistake. Need it fixed up. |
| 06:52.47 | Gumby | anyone know of a decent gui wireless monitor for viewing/selecting wireless networks. Ive been using wlassistant but it is sort of flaky |
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| 06:55.15 | litage | how can you determine the dimensions of a postscript file? |
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| 06:56.04 | leminhteo1 | hi all |
| 06:56.42 | leminhteo1 | can anybody help me |
| 06:57.17 | pirre | leminhteo1: not really no. But if we knew what the problem was, then we might have a shot |
| 06:57.20 | ke6isf | !ask |
| 06:57.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask a question, or ask if people use something. Your question is being answered by a volunteer; make it easy for volunteers to give you an answer. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 07:00.01 | ke6isf | leminhteo1: As such, we can help you, but you gotta tell us what's wrong? |
| 07:00.32 | ke6isf | oh, ghod, I think I just made baby jeebus cry with that question mark.... =O.o= |
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| 07:01.57 | mischko | Can I tell apt-get or dpkg to go through and check that all files are in place from all packages and repair the ones that are not? |
| 07:02.34 | ke6isf | mischko: Basically, check integrity of the installation, and if it's fubar'ed, reinstall? |
| 07:02.45 | mischko | yes |
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| 07:03.06 | ke6isf | mischko: Lemme look at the man page. I want to say that there's a 'check' option. |
| 07:03.50 | leminhteo1 | i want to enable alias ip in my debian |
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| 07:04.46 | leminhteo1 | how can i edit kernel |
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| 07:04.56 | Res | Problem to install xfce4 on DeMudi installation, apt sourclist : i have entering the new sources from os-works.com/debian and it doesnt work to? anybody nows this problem and can help me? |
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| 07:05.16 | sep | leminhteo1, you want to have additional ip's on same interface? make new stancas in interfaes file with eth0:1 eth0:2 as device otherways it's like normal |
| 07:05.36 | mischko | ke6isf, it sounds like "apt-get check" checks for dependencies at the package level, not checking the files to make sure the same ones are installed that should be. |
| 07:06.00 | ke6isf | mischko: I just checked the man page. It just checks integrity of the sources cache. It's useless in this context. |
| 07:06.05 | poncha|work | leminhteo1, *edit* kernel??? |
| 07:06.26 | mischko | ke6isf, not good. Dear ol' RPM will do this. |
| 07:06.49 | ke6isf | mischko: Yeah, but urpmi wouldn't handle installing gtk2, because it already was when it wasn't. |
| 07:07.00 | ke6isf | mischko: Thus why I'm in Debian. |
| 07:07.13 | poncha|work | leminhteo1, if you just want to bring up extra ip on same ethernet adapter, see man ifconfig ... no need to edit kernel (neither sources nor the compiled kernel itself :)) |
| 07:07.15 | mischko | There has to be a way to repair a packaged installation.. :) |
| 07:07.34 | ke6isf | mischko: There's probably a way, and it's likely tucked down into the docs. You might check this as well (/usr/share/docs/apt*, or apt-get install apt-doc) |
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| 07:08.38 | mischko | ke6isf, dpkg has a 'audit' option. That might be helpful. |
| 07:08.52 | ke6isf | mischko: Checking man... |
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| 07:09.31 | ke6isf | mischko: That actually sounds useful. |
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| 07:22.29 | smartbhai | hi people |
| 07:22.45 | ke6isf | hello smartbhai |
| 07:23.00 | smartbhai | i managed to start X without the mouse .. i made the pointer invisible but how can i totally get rid of the pointer |
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| 07:23.12 | smartbhai | hello ke6isf |
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| 07:24.06 | SimonRaven | jm_: i've always seen it spawn a make for each dir and target. like make[X]: foo bar baz |
| 07:24.11 | smartbhai | can i skip the mouse configuration in X any way |
| 07:24.25 | Lewoco | If I know the filename of an executible, how can I find out which package it's in? (I haven't installed it yet) |
| 07:24.35 | SimonRaven | just run through it. it won't kill you to go through it |
| 07:24.57 | SimonRaven | @tell Lewoco -about search |
| 07:25.01 | SimonRaven | Lewoco: PDO |
| 07:25.11 | jm_ | SimonRaven: yes, it does spawn make, but say I call it with "make depend" in top-level dir, but it when it calls make for sub-dir, it calls it with default target (so it looks like it doesn't automatically pass it, lik efor some other options) |
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| 07:25.39 | SimonRaven | ur? |
| 07:25.42 | SimonRaven | weird |
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| 07:26.25 | Kiowas | hello |
| 07:26.47 | jm_ | I guess simple cd dir && $(MAKE) is not enough |
| 07:26.49 | Usiu | hippie, How do you patch Makefile.am in order to get additional sub programs placed in /usr/lib (not as default in /usr/bin) to be compliant with new package standard 3.6.2 ? Any ideas ? |
| 07:28.01 | Lewoco | SimonRaven: packages.debian.org was what I was looking for, cheers. |
| 07:28.20 | peterS | Usiu: normally you don't, you either pass variables into the 'make' invocation, or you move crap around after the 'make install' |
| 07:28.26 | SimonRaven | i guess |
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| 07:30.02 | Usiu | peterS, hmm right.. thx |
| 07:32.02 | Usiu | peterS, btw the path for subprogram is defined in makefile.am, when I dont change it the program will point by default to /usr/bin nor /usr/lib |
| 07:32.20 | Usiu | not |
| 07:32.57 | peterS | Usiu: well, note that if you change Makefile.am, you will have to regenerate Makefile.in either ahead of time, or Build-Depends: on the right version of automake. nice to avoid having to do either one |
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| 07:33.41 | gudi | hi |
| 07:33.48 | gudi | anyone use ldap for auth system users? |
| 07:34.43 | Gnea | gudi: sometimes |
| 07:35.09 | gudi | Gnea, what your expirence when the ldap server is gone ? |
| 07:35.25 | gudi | on myy site it take ages before the login prompt is shown |
| 07:36.11 | Gnea | people usually get pissed off :) |
| 07:36.50 | gudi | this is why i was wonder if its a good idea to set bind_timelimit to a lower value |
| 07:37.11 | Usiu | peterS, yes, the only thing I changed in source was I removed licensed graphic and dpatch is excluding it from makefile.am and .in. if I would regenerate I would have everything new.. and diff would be huge.. |
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| 07:37.19 | Gnea | why not provide a mechanism to wake it up on-demand? |
| 07:37.59 | gudi | Gnea, you mean me ? |
| 07:38.02 | peterS | Usiu: it'll get ugly if dpatch patches Makefile.in before patching Makefile.am. then you have to deal with 'make' wanting to rebuild Makefile.in because it is out of date |
| 07:38.11 | mischko | SimonRaven, I'm getting an error back: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle. |
| 07:38.13 | Gnea | gudi: yes. |
| 07:38.20 | peterS | Usiu: configure --disable-maintainer-mode just to be on the safe side |
| 07:38.43 | gudi | Gnea, what you mean with wake up on demand ? |
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| 07:39.25 | Gnea | gudi: you're trying to log into a web page or something in order to sync a ldap-stored user/password as an authentication scheme, yes? |
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| 07:39.51 | gudi | Gnea, i want to use it as user and group store on a server |
| 07:39.57 | gudi | systemuser auth |
| 07:40.00 | Usiu | peterS, dpatch patches both of them... it was simple to find out what to remove from them. Now patch works with official src and with the one with removed graphic.. |
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| 07:40.39 | Gnea | gudi: right, so ldap would be your authentication medium - but you're saying the problem is that when you go to login, the ldap server is not currently running, correct? |
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| 07:41.08 | gudi | Gnea, normally its running. But it can be crashed |
| 07:41.10 | mischko | SimonRaven, nm. Got past that. |
| 07:41.30 | Gnea | gudi: so for whatever reason, it crashed - can it be restarted the usual way? |
| 07:41.48 | gudi | Gnea, there can be a network problem or server defect |
| 07:41.57 | Gnea | gudi: right, that's irrelevent |
| 07:42.34 | Gnea | gudi: the question is: can you do a /etc/init.d/slapd restart and have it working again just fine? |
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| 07:42.54 | gudi | Gnea, no not in a server crash |
| 07:43.10 | Gnea | gudi: so something on the kernel-level is crashing? |
| 07:43.26 | gudi | Gnea, you don'T understand.. |
| 07:43.40 | Gnea | gudi: of course not, i'm asking you questions and you're not answering them. |
| 07:43.53 | Gnea | if you want help, then work with, not against, it's that simple |
| 07:44.05 | gudi | Gnea, i will told you again. |
| 07:44.32 | zulkifar | Hi. I can't get DRI working on my X with Radeon 7000 VE card. In XFree log there is a message which is probably related to this: drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999). Any ideas? |
| 07:44.47 | Gnea | gudi: you said 'the server crashes' okay, but what constitutes 'the server'? is that a separate daemon or the entire server itself? |
| 07:44.49 | zulkifar | Maybe I should get alternative drivers somewhere? |
| 07:45.01 | streuner | zulkifar: laptop? |
| 07:45.08 | zulkifar | streuner: no |
| 07:45.14 | Gnea | !tell zulkifar about radeon |
| 07:45.17 | streuner | zulkifar: what kernel do you use? |
| 07:45.18 | gudi | I use a ldapserver to auth my systemusers. Last night my ldapserver went down (Hardware problems). When i tried to login my other servers (which use the ldapserver for auth systemusers) i takes up to 1 minute beforte a command get executed |
| 07:45.22 | streuner | dpkg, radeon |
| 07:45.22 | dpkg | radeon is probably the name of some videocards by ATI. There are different types: R100 chipset (e.g radeon VE,SDR,DDR,LE,7000,7200), R200 (e.g. radeon 8500,8500LE,8800), R250 (e.g. radeon 9000) and R300 (e.g. radeon 9700,9700pro). Use the 'radeon' xfree86 driver, for 3d accel with a r200 use driver from dri.sf.net CVS or ATI own (closed-source) fireGL driver. r250/r300 not yet supported, or http://www.reades.com/radeon.html |
| 07:45.24 | zulkifar | streuner: 2.6.12 |
| 07:45.39 | streuner | zulkifar: cat /proc/version |
| 07:45.58 | Gnea | gudi: so what you need is a fsck and a backup power supply :) |
| 07:46.18 | gudi | Gnea, not the answer i was looking for |
| 07:46.34 | Gnea | gudi: well you're not paying me, so there you have it. |
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| 07:47.21 | Gnea | gudi: OTOH, it's possible that something simply got corrupted on the crashed server and it needs to have the syslog entries looked at |
| 07:47.40 | gudi | Gnea, i not want a help in debug why it crashed. |
| 07:47.48 | gudi | i know why it crashed. |
| 07:47.50 | zulkifar | Linux version 2.6.12ixd (root@deb05.chajjka) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)) #1 SMP Thu Jun 30 12:05:15 MSD 2005 |
| 07:47.55 | zulkifar | streuner: <- |
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| 07:48.25 | Gnea | gudi: i'm trying to help you but you're being impatient. i am now going to stop helping you and ignoring you. |
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| 07:48.37 | streuner | zulkifar: so a custom kernel, right? |
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| 07:48.42 | zulkifar | streuner: right |
| 07:48.50 | gudi | Gnea, do what you want.. i think i found what i searched bind_timelimit |
| 07:48.54 | zulkifar | streuner: with radeon dri |
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| 07:49.04 | dimir | Morning. |
| 07:49.13 | streuner | zulkifar: Did you try an official kernel-image yet? |
| 07:49.53 | zulkifar | streuner: no. |
| 07:50.14 | streuner | zulkifar: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 07:51.44 | Kupal[] | sasl killing me again.. |
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| 07:52.02 | TheStick | hey ya |
| 07:52.34 | Kupal[] | anyone have a sasl setup.. my auth.log is inconsistent wit my setup its killing me. |
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| 07:53.21 | chocoIate | hi |
| 07:53.35 | chocoIate | i'm trying to install Java System Application Server Platform Edition 8.1 on my debian sarge installation and i get this error as i try to execute the installer |
| 07:54.05 | chocoIate | i get the following error : sjsas_pe-8_1_02_2005Q2-linux.bin: error while loading shared librar ies: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or d irectory |
| 07:54.26 | jm_ | rather explicit error message |
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| 07:54.29 | chocoIate | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.35 | zulkifar | streuner: 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 07:54.45 | jm_ | that's not the right package name |
| 07:54.52 | chocoIate | oh |
| 07:55.28 | chocoIate | i dont seem to find a matching package, the one that matched losest was libstdc++6-dev |
| 07:55.50 | jm_ | "/msg dpkg search" -- and a hint, don't include .3 in when searching for it |
| 07:56.06 | chocoIate | thanks :) |
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| 07:57.49 | Kupal[] | !test |
| 07:57.49 | dpkg | Yes, kupal[], you're still online. |
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| 07:58.13 | TheStick | !sick |
| 07:58.14 | dpkg | i guess sick is cool |
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| 07:58.21 | TheStick | no it ain't :'( |
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| 07:59.00 | TheStick | !gentoo |
| 07:59.00 | dpkg | i heard gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385, or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 08:00.18 | zulkifar | "Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of" - haha :) |
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| 08:00.36 | migma | hey all, I'm running sarge on x86 and just recently updated from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel, the system boots fine but now the alsa seems to have failed. i tried looking up for alsa modules for 2.6.8 but have found nothing, any ideas? |
| 08:00.39 | TheStick | yeah, I like that one :D |
| 08:00.41 | ke6isf | 2 as far as I'm concerned is two too many for dealing with Gentoo. |
| 08:00.46 | tengulre | haha:) |
| 08:00.51 | TheStick | heh :) |
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| 08:01.51 | TheStick | migma: figure out which module your sound card uses and modprobe it |
| 08:01.52 | zulkifar | But Gentoo must be more efficient in the sense that every app is compiled for THE system |
| 08:02.22 | migma | TheStick, the onboard sound uses the i810 module |
| 08:02.24 | zulkifar | no generic things i mean... |
| 08:02.29 | TheStick | zulkifar: that's rather untrue, the performance gain is very small |
| 08:02.37 | TheStick | 5% faster isn't that cool :/ |
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| 08:02.48 | TheStick | migma: then type modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 08:03.18 | migma | FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 not found. |
| 08:03.20 | zulkifar | TheStick: never used it, thanks for information |
| 08:03.44 | migma | hmm |
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| 08:04.04 | TheStick | zulkifar: gentoo is cool because you control everything :) |
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| 08:04.14 | TheStick | migma: did you use a stock kernel? |
| 08:04.24 | TheStick | or did you compile it yourself? |
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| 08:05.02 | migma | TheStick, it seems i might have overlooked it when I compiled the kernel |
| 08:05.03 | streuner | !gentoosmite The Stick |
| 08:05.13 | TheStick | ? |
| 08:05.18 | ke6isf | !gentoosmite TheStick |
| 08:05.25 | TheStick | i don't really like gentoo, I prefer debian |
| 08:05.33 | TheStick | gentoo is a pain in the ass |
| 08:05.44 | ke6isf | !gentoosmite zulkifar |
| 08:07.01 | migma | TheStick, how do I use the default kernel package instead of compiling my own? |
| 08:07.10 | SimonRaven | the only windows i use are in my wm and my walls |
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| 08:07.53 | ke6isf | migma: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 08:08.22 | Kupal[] | i get the filling postfix in debian sarge is bugged. |
| 08:08.35 | ke6isf | Kupal[]: bugged in what way? |
| 08:08.44 | migma | ke6isf, sarge |
| 08:08.46 | Kupal[] | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.53 | migma | ke6isf, with the default 2.4.27 |
| 08:08.56 | Kupal[] | im not even loading auxprop |
| 08:09.03 | Kupal[] | lots of same errors on the web |
| 08:09.05 | ke6isf | migma: you're trying to load a 2.6 kernel? What proc are you on? |
| 08:09.07 | Kupal[] | http://www.google.com/search?q=%22_sasl_plugin_load+%22+debian&hl=en&lr=&start=10&sa=N |
| 08:09.20 | ke6isf | Kupal[]: Can't speak for that plugin. |
| 08:09.36 | Kupal[] | that's the thing |
| 08:09.44 | Kupal[] | im not even using it, or telling it to be used |
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| 08:09.59 | migma | ke6isf, yes, I'm trying to upgrade it to the default 2.6 kernel it comes with |
| 08:10.19 | ke6isf | migma: The stock 386? Or one compiled for (say) k7/athlon, or P2, or whatever? |
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| 08:10.46 | bucky | migma, which cpu do you have? |
| 08:10.59 | ke6isf | bucky: Thanks for the translation =^_^= |
| 08:11.03 | migma | ke6isf, the default install used the 386 |
| 08:11.23 | migma | bucky, Pentium 4 |
| 08:12.07 | ke6isf | migma: 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 08:12.27 | ke6isf | migma: When it's done, reboot, and pick the appropriate kernel in grub. If it loads, great. If not, reboot and go back to the old one. |
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| 08:13.00 | bucky | it will do the right thing |
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| 08:13.20 | migma | ke6isf, alright, will try that |
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| 08:14.03 | chocoIate | ufff |
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| 08:14.24 | chocoIate | jm_ , i am unable to find any package that matches libstdc++-libc6.2-2 |
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| 08:14.57 | migma | ke6isf, and any ideas on how do I purge my previously (and manually) recompiled kernels? |
| 08:15.13 | zulkifar | Hm. I do: 'apt-get upgrade' and it enumerates some packages then exits w/o upgrading |
| 08:15.28 | chocoIate | in effect the dpkg bot produces no results for this, nor do i find any results online : http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages for this package |
| 08:15.46 | chocoIate | jm_, got any other ideas ? |
| 08:16.59 | SimonRaven | !listvals libstdc |
| 08:17.02 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'libstdc' by value (9): zbrown: #DEL# ;; libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 ;; CMD: sidsmite (.*?) ;; iplanet ;; libstdc ;; hurd-compile ;; stupid redhat ;; red hat c++ ;; redhat crap. |
| 08:17.05 | jm_ | chocoIate: yes, /msg dpkg search |
| 08:17.10 | SimonRaven | !libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 08:17.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 is apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 (but this is only in woody! If you need this in sarge or sid, add a woody line to sources.list) |
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| 08:17.19 | Gumby | trying to compile something and I am getting the following errors... Checking for forbidden M4 macros... |
| 08:17.19 | Gumby | ***Error***: some autoconf macros required to build NetworkManager were not found in your aclocal path, or some forbidden macros were found. Perhaps you need to adjust your ACLOCAL_FLAGS? |
| 08:17.24 | SimonRaven | eh, that's old |
| 08:17.27 | jm_ | no he doesn't need that lib, he needs the 2.2 one |
| 08:17.29 | Gumby | how do I just my aclocal_flags? |
| 08:17.42 | ke6isf | migma: Did you manage to install it? |
| 08:17.50 | SimonRaven | ok |
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| 08:18.18 | ke6isf | migma: If you installed them, no idea. If you didn't, just delete the tree. |
| 08:18.32 | migma | ke6isf, i did |
| 08:18.47 | ircdevil | anyone know a tool for manipulating SAS files? (besides SAS) |
| 08:19.09 | chocoIate | i message dpkg search and i got no response |
| 08:19.14 | SimonRaven | ASA |
| 08:19.27 | SimonRaven | ;p |
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| 08:19.44 | ke6isf | migma: Can't help you htere, sorry. |
| 08:19.53 | ircdevil | SimonRaven: /m dpkg ASA ? |
| 08:20.04 | SimonRaven | no, i was kidding :) |
| 08:20.28 | jm_ | chocoIate: use apt-file |
| 08:20.35 | ircdevil | SimonRaven: well :o) SPSS has a opensource spin-off called PSPP (geeks!) |
| 08:21.12 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 08:21.17 | jkaufman | lol |
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| 08:21.54 | SimonRaven | grr, (Worm.Mydoom.AT) |
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| 08:21.59 | chocoIate | installing libstdc++2.10-dev resolved |
| 08:22.02 | chocoIate | thanks all :) |
| 08:22.17 | TheStick | in russia you don't emerge kde, kde emerges you! |
| 08:22.22 | TheStick | (was that funny?) |
| 08:22.33 | SimonRaven | no |
| 08:22.42 | TheStick | cool thanks :) |
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| 08:23.20 | ke6isf | TheStick: Your timing is so bad it's an anacronism. |
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| 08:24.08 | TheStick | ke6isf: let me ponder on that :D |
| 08:24.26 | SimonRaven | ke6isf: *groan* |
| 08:24.57 | ke6isf | Thank you all, try the meatloaf tonight. =^_^= |
| 08:25.19 | TheStick | I can't wait :d |
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| 08:25.39 | snaund | is there an (unstable) main package that will allow the execution of java applets withing firefox? |
| 08:25.42 | ke6isf | I do my best work after 02:00. Fortunately for you, I'm going to bed in a few minutes. =^_^= |
| 08:26.05 | TheStick | oh, it's 10:25 am over here :þ |
| 08:26.32 | TheStick | snaund: try blackdown java, it's got a debian repository |
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| 08:29.53 | bucky | so ke6isf where is the Sunset Grill? |
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| 08:35.22 | zulkifar | I'm upgrading system and a packages named 'mdadm' is configuring now. It asks me some scary questions... Would some1 help? What confuses me is will mdadm recognize all my raid and safely replace raidtools? |
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| 08:36.07 | noloK | hi there |
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| 08:36.54 | mkl1525 | Hi! Is there an option for rsync to sync only files that are newer than n days? |
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| 08:37.11 | noloK | How i can to remove the unnecessary modules in 2.6? |
| 08:37.42 | streuner | noloK: Don't run hotplug |
| 08:37.43 | peterS | zulkifar: the upgrade should continue to recognise your raid devices, yes. I cannot guarantee that this always works, because I haven't really tested it |
| 08:37.56 | streuner | noloK: and take a look into /etc/modules |
| 08:37.58 | tarzeau | noloK: rm ? |
| 08:38.02 | noloK | when i installed the kernel-image with apt-get it didn't edit the /etc/modules, but there are too many unnecessary modules booted at startup |
| 08:38.12 | tarzeau | noloK: modconf ? |
| 08:38.16 | peterS | zulkifar: you may run into trouble if you have raid devices made from whole disks which were never partitioned. (but you shouldn't have done that anyway.) |
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| 08:39.26 | Fry | hm, does someone know a tool that uses my CPU/HD/etc at a high capacity to test whether my laptop is having a problem there? |
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| 08:40.19 | noloK | tarzeau modconf with which file works? |
| 08:40.49 | Ox12 | Hello, I need to install an EASY SMTP server, which is easies QMAIL OR POSTFIX OR SENDMAIL?? |
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| 08:41.35 | fbsd64 | Ox12 - postfix |
| 08:41.39 | Ox12 | okay |
| 08:41.42 | mischko | postfix |
| 08:41.47 | Om | postfix |
| 08:41.51 | petemc | exim |
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| 08:42.10 | tarzeau | noloK: /etc/modules |
| 08:42.33 | peterS | nullmailer |
| 08:42.35 | tarzeau | Fry: wmhdplop hddtemp ? |
| 08:42.58 | zulkifar | peterS: I have two partitioned HDDs where all paritions are in raid-1 (mirror) except of first (boot) which is not in raid. |
| 08:43.01 | Fry | thanks, I'll take a look at them :) |
| 08:43.02 | tarzeau | peterS: nullmailer don't get mail |
| 08:43.04 | petemc | whats the debconf configuration for postfix like? |
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| 08:43.52 | peterS | zulkifar: that's very straightforward. I don't think mdadm will have any trouble with that. I still have to warn you that I haven't tried upgrading from raidtools2 -> mdadm in sarge |
| 08:43.57 | Om | If I have "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main" in sources.list, but I also have "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main", then will the second one effectively force my system to *be* stable/sarge rather than testing/etch? |
| 08:44.14 | zulkifar | peterS: ok, thanks |
| 08:44.20 | peterS | Om: no, sarge security updates will generally have lower version numbers than stuff in testing, so they'll be ignored |
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| 08:44.39 | Om | Great, thanks! :) |
| 08:44.52 | peterS | Om: if a package happens never to have been updated in testing, and comes out with a sarge security patch, then that one will be applied. |
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| 08:45.14 | Om | That shouldn't ever cause issues, should it? |
| 08:45.21 | peterS | Om: it really shouldn't. |
| 08:45.32 | E-work | IF i use standard kernel-images installed from apt-get |
| 08:45.33 | amal | hi all. my apt-proxy always ends with "error reading from server / remote end closed connection", never complete. while using apt-get directly to mirror is okay |
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| 08:45.38 | E-work | can i thne get rid of ipv6 in any way? |
| 08:45.44 | E-work | i dont have any need for it |
| 08:45.57 | Om | Okay, thanks again peterS :) |
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| 08:45.58 | peterS | Om: because it means the package you had was still the sarge version before. and the sarge security update shouldn't significantly change the original sarge package |
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| 08:46.13 | Om | Ah, I see :) |
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| 08:46.43 | peterS | E-work: you can edit /etc/modprobe.d/aliases or /etc/modutils/aliases (kernel 2.6, kernel 2.4) to change the net-pf-10 line to "alias net-pf-10 off" |
| 08:47.07 | peterS | E-work: then reboot, since you can't get rid of the ipv6 kernel module once it is loaded into the kerenl |
| 08:47.18 | E-work | ahh cool |
| 08:47.35 | E-work | so in standard kernel-images ipv6 IS loaded as a module? |
| 08:47.42 | peterS | E-work: when something wants ipv6 it triggers a kernel request for "net-pf-10", see. |
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| 08:48.01 | peterS | E-work: and yes, it's a module. a module which purposely refuses to let itself be unloaded |
| 08:48.19 | E-work | ok cool, ile experiment with it next time im at that client then |
| 08:48.25 | E-work | dont wanna try a remote reboot |
| 08:48.40 | E-work | thanks for the info |
| 08:48.50 | peterS | np |
| 08:49.45 | E-work | Would you consider it bad system administration to run with none-customized kernels? |
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| 08:49.54 | peterS | E-work: note - if you start up processes often which try to use ipv6, you might get better results by just letting the module load. otherwise the kernel will try to load it every time something runs, and those 'modprobe net-pf-10' commands can eat serious CPU time, even though they end up doing nothing |
| 08:50.15 | peterS | E-work: a friend of mine had this problem once - load average was really high for no good reason, just because he was doing a lot of name lookups in a scripts |
| 08:50.56 | peterS | E-work: as for non-customized kernels... I used to think I had to compile all my own kernels. but in the past year or so, the Debian kernel team has been really good at producing quality kernel images. I don't see the point of doing it myself anymore |
| 08:50.58 | E-work | hmmm ya i guess that could be a problem |
| 08:51.13 | E-work | I've been using debian for about 2 years |
| 08:51.30 | yang | can openoffice writer (word) be installed separatelly, or do i need the whole openoffice suite? |
| 08:51.34 | E-work | always used standard kernels, and was wondering if i should finally get around to compiling thme myself |
| 08:51.49 | SimonRaven | @mhallsmite windoze worms and viruses |
| 08:51.54 | SimonRaven | !mhallsmite windoze worms and viruses |
| 08:51.55 | dpkg | Fuck windoze worms and viruses. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 08:52.02 | peterS | E-work: my friend's system speed improved a lot after I had him do something like 'echo /bin/true > /proc/sys/kernel/modprobe' - since /bin/true doesn't have to parse all those /etc/modprobe.d files before exiting |
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| 08:52.26 | yang | Or what is the simplest reader for .sxw files? |
| 08:52.30 | SimonRaven | mine's built-in.. |
| 08:52.36 | E-work | peterS: what kind of apps would load ipv6? |
| 08:52.40 | tarzeau | anyone got pv-wave 8.0 running on sarge? |
| 08:52.44 | SimonRaven | yang: aren't those just gzipped xml files? |
| 08:52.44 | E-work | im mostly anoyed by netstat listing ipv6 stuff |
| 08:52.53 | peterS | E-work: lots of network client apps. I think he was using 'dig' or 'host' for name lookups |
| 08:52.54 | tarzeau | yang: openoffice. without graphics? |
| 08:52.54 | E-work | for processes that dont specify a specififc interface to listen on |
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| 08:53.12 | yang | tarzeau: so, which package should i choose? "oipenoffice.org" ? |
| 08:53.16 | peterS | E-work: and yes, network server apps too, but they only start up once, you don't do them in loops and scripts |
| 08:53.17 | SimonRaven | yang: oh, actually they're composite files (more than one file in it) |
| 08:53.21 | jethro | hello |
| 08:53.22 | tarzeau | yang: yes |
| 08:53.26 | tarzeau | hi jethro |
| 08:53.29 | jethro | hi tarzeau |
| 08:53.45 | E-work | peterS: indeed, also my servers have extreme light load, so i dont tihnk it will bre a problem to do what u first told me |
| 08:53.51 | E-work | i can always revert i guess :) |
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| 08:54.04 | zulkifar | peterS and all: among other questions 'dpkg-reconfigure mdadm' asks this one: "WARNING! If you are using hard disks which have a md superblock from an earlier installation in a different RAID array, you MUST zero the superblock before activating the autostart feature." Does this means I have to manually zero superblock of EVERY md-device? |
| 08:54.04 | peterS | E-work: right. I just wanted to mention the one problem I've seen with the approach of 'alias net-pf-10 off' |
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| 08:54.41 | peterS | zulkifar: it's talking about partitions which are not actively in use *now*, but which you've used in the past. mdadm will detect these and start them up, and lots of confusion may result |
| 08:55.02 | yang | tarzeau: ugh Need to get 53.0MB of archives., isnt there a smaller package with just openoffice reader? |
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| 08:55.21 | peterS | zulkifar: for example if you have a hard drive in your system which used to be in another system and had /dev/md1 in it. the raid partition will say "I'm part of md1" and if you have a different md1 now, mdadm is likely to do the wrong thing |
| 08:55.34 | SimonRaven | "openoffice.org" is a meta-package. get -writer or something |
| 08:55.44 | zulkifar | peterS: ok, i see now. |
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| 08:56.26 | Ox12 | what is the "Alias to" in postfix? |
| 08:56.37 | tarzeau | yang: no |
| 08:56.41 | peterS | Ox12: what? |
| 08:56.47 | tarzeau | yang: don't create .sxw anymore then. |
| 08:57.01 | peterS | Ox12: postfix in the default config is like the other MTAs in their default config - mail aliases are handled by editing /etc/aliases and then running the 'newaliases' program |
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| 08:57.09 | SimonRaven | o/~ CVS code, codey codey codey, why do you break my box every time i use you? o/~ |
| 08:57.50 | SimonRaven | not one of my best, sorry |
| 08:57.59 | Guerin | SimonRaven: better than mine |
| 08:58.40 | SimonRaven | what's worse is i had "breaky breaky heart" in my head when i was thinking of some lyrics =) |
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| 08:59.16 | Guerin | SimonRaven: aaargh |
| 08:59.21 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:59.35 | zcat[1] | aaargh? |
| 08:59.35 | Guerin | unofficial cvs mplayer doesn't conflict with marillat's mplayer packages |
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| 08:59.38 | Guerin | sillly |
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| 09:00.05 | Guerin | has a nice debconf 'what options do you want' thingamajig though |
| 09:00.29 | zcat[1] | aaargh!! Just did an apt-get dist-upgrade (unstable) and now every app on all the kde menus has gone away.. |
| 09:00.39 | zcat[1] | how do I get them bacK? |
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| 09:01.29 | TheStick | update-menus |
| 09:01.29 | peterS | zcat[1]: maybe don't run unstable? |
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| 09:01.36 | zcat[1] | well yeah.. |
| 09:01.45 | jethro | or don't use KDE |
| 09:01.50 | zcat[1] | apt-get dist-downgrade ?? |
| 09:01.54 | TheStick | hey! KDE is good! |
| 09:01.56 | tralala | or dont use computers |
| 09:02.00 | TheStick | zcat[1]: try update-menus :) |
| 09:02.14 | jethro | hi tralala |
| 09:02.15 | zcat[1] | trying.. |
| 09:02.22 | tralala | hey, jethro |
| 09:02.36 | zcat[1] | what's update-menus supposed to do? |
| 09:02.37 | tralala | 's up? |
| 09:02.42 | Guerin | zcat[1]: duh |
| 09:02.42 | sward | update menus? |
| 09:02.43 | peterS | zcat[1]: pretty much what it sounds like |
| 09:02.48 | SimonRaven | update the mneus.... |
| 09:02.54 | Guerin | !clue zcat[1] |
| 09:02.54 | E-work | lol |
| 09:02.56 | peterS | zcat[1]: that's what packages run when they install or uninstall themselves |
| 09:03.00 | SimonRaven | menus even |
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| 09:03.08 | tralala | zcat[1]: in case of doubt you could always fall back to the manual |
| 09:03.17 | jethro | heh |
| 09:03.28 | TheStick | !update-menus |
| 09:03.28 | dpkg | it has been said that update-menus is a utility used in the Debian Menu System. Originally inspired by the install-fvwm2-menu program from the old fvwm2 package; it tries to provide a somewhat more general inteface for menu building for the X Window System. |
| 09:03.30 | peterS | zcat[1]: I'd say it's unlikely to work in your present case, but it's certainly something worth trying |
| 09:03.31 | sward | It even has a manpage, they're bloody useful them things: update-menus - generate Debian menu system |
| 09:03.33 | TheStick | :o |
| 09:03.39 | RaisedFist | I get lots of " No buffer space available" on my log. what could be the problem? (newbie here) |
| 09:03.50 | peterS | RaisedFist: what log? |
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| 09:04.02 | jethro | tralala: I'm fine thanks, have to prepare a few things for a deployment of one of my projects next monday, so it's a busy week (yet another busy week, I should say) |
| 09:04.04 | maj | TRIED to do net instaall but dhcp didn't setup right me think |
| 09:04.07 | zcat[1] | shuddup.. I just checked the man page; sounds like exactly what I need but I have to log off to see if it worked |
| 09:04.07 | SimonRaven | his fireplace log |
| 09:04.08 | RaisedFist | peterS, /var/log/messages |
| 09:04.26 | peterS | RaisedFist: that doesn't sound good, that's the kernel itself complaining about not having enough memory |
| 09:04.48 | TheStick | no swap space? ram full? |
| 09:05.11 | RaisedFist | oops ... how can I check? |
| 09:05.18 | tralala | jethro: it's totatly oposite here - a veeery slow season. The office is under reconstructions however and it's the hell broken lose over here |
| 09:05.23 | peterS | RaisedFist: type 'free' and only look at the second line of numbers |
| 09:05.32 | peterS | (the first line of numbers is misleading) |
| 09:05.46 | TheStick | normally the kernel would start killing apps if it lacks memory |
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| 09:06.01 | maj | is there a waay of doing it from a working linux setup ?? |
| 09:06.22 | RaisedFist | peterS: Mem: free 25296 |
| 09:06.46 | RaisedFist | peterS: Swap: free 1037908 |
| 09:06.54 | peterS | RaisedFist: well, that's plenty |
| 09:06.56 | zcat[1] | hmm.. no menu-method for kde :( |
| 09:06.59 | peterS | maj: /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 09:07.08 | jethro | tralala: heh I wish it were less busy, but it's still better than doing nothing ;) |
| 09:07.12 | peterS | maj: alternatively, I think: /msg dpkg debtakeover |
| 09:07.24 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 09:07.32 | maj | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.47 | TheStick | zcat[1]: that's odd |
| 09:08.01 | zcat[1] | yeah |
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| 09:08.32 | TheStick | did you try running kde as another user? |
| 09:08.41 | TheStick | maybe your personal menu got screwed up in the process |
| 09:08.45 | zcat[1] | yep, same problem |
| 09:08.50 | maj | using DSL right now |
| 09:09.16 | TheStick | did you try restarting X? :D |
| 09:09.37 | peterS | TheStick: that won't make a difference |
| 09:09.37 | zcat[1] | logged out, didn't totally restart |
| 09:09.47 | peterS | TheStick: logging out / in might, but if he tried another user, he clearly tried that (: |
| 09:09.55 | TheStick | peterS: you never know :/ |
| 09:10.09 | yang | I have to wait for 30 more seconds, after i get asked for password on a machine to log in, what could be the problem? |
| 09:10.26 | peterS | TheStick: I can be reasonably certain. you'd have to work pretty hard to come up with a scenario where restarting the X server affects the window manager menus |
| 09:10.44 | tralala | jethro: well, I ain't doing nothing - chatting on #debian is a pretty serious task, isn't it?! |
| 09:10.51 | jethro | hah |
| 09:10.53 | zcat[1] | haha.. apt-get dist-upgrade now wants to install another 55M of packages.. perhaps one of those will fix the problem :) |
| 09:10.56 | TheStick | peterS: that's true :) |
| 09:11.17 | peterS | zcat[1]: when in doubt, install yet another round of updates |
| 09:11.28 | zcat[1] | It's worked in the past |
| 09:11.37 | jethro | zcat[1]: are you used to reading debian-devel and using apt-listchanges ? |
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| 09:12.11 | zcat[1] | Nah, I just blindly stumble along the bleeding edge.. |
| 09:12.17 | zcat[1] | seriously.. |
| 09:12.20 | cosmos | hi |
| 09:12.28 | cat | hi cosmos |
| 09:12.33 | zcat[1] | I should be running testing |
| 09:12.35 | peterS | zcat[1]: ah, the joshk philosophy: "if unstable breaks my machine, then I yell at whoever broke it" |
| 09:12.36 | cosmos | hi cat |
| 09:12.38 | sep | zcat[1], then expect getting cut a lot :) |
| 09:13.03 | TheStick | I prefer experimental :o |
| 09:13.09 | jmcaricand | Does anyone use SELinux with Debian Sarge ? |
| 09:13.10 | zcat[1] | if unstable breaks my machine, wait for someone else to fix it and release another package |
| 09:13.15 | peterS | zcat[1]: btw, does zcat[1] really mean Zcat, Jr.? |
| 09:13.22 | Ox12 | OK Now I finished installation for postfix, I need to install a package to make it easy to control postfix thru the web, any tips? |
| 09:13.24 | zcat[1] | zcat(1) |
| 09:13.34 | cosmos | i got a problem of display setup with 3.1 on my sony vgn-s36c/b notebook with an ATI 9700 chip |
| 09:14.02 | sep | Ox12, google for postfixadmin |
| 09:14.03 | cosmos | tried to configure it to 1280x800@60 but it wont work |
| 09:14.06 | zcat[1] | alias zcat='gzip -dc' |
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| 09:14.18 | peterS | zcat[1]: I normally use -cd but whatever |
| 09:14.29 | peterS | easier to type, I guess |
| 09:14.38 | cosmos | anybody any idea? |
| 09:14.43 | tralala | zcat[1]: sid has always had periods of working and breaking in the past and will always have them in the future - thus the name unstable |
| 09:14.59 | peterS | cosmos: that may not be considered a standard enough resolution to have a proper mode line built into the X server |
| 09:15.12 | cosmos | so what can I do? |
| 09:15.19 | drac | cosmos: Run 'gtf 1280 800 60', and it gives you Modeline to add in Section "Monitor" in XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf. Then change Modes from Section "Screen" to use "1280x800_60.00".. or you tried something like this allready? |
| 09:15.32 | cosmos | yeah I've done gtf... |
| 09:15.48 | cosmos | that was what I tried the first place |
| 09:15.49 | peterS | cosmos: you probably want to install 'xresprobe' |
| 09:15.51 | cat | !gtf |
| 09:15.58 | peterS | cosmos: then run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 09:16.06 | cosmos | um... |
| 09:16.12 | peterS | cosmos: xresprobe should pick up your actual screen resolution and feed a decent modeline into X |
| 09:16.14 | cosmos | let me write down |
| 09:16.22 | zcat[1] | if I roll my apt-sources back to testing, can I just wait for testing to catch up or will that break stuff (worse than it's broke now?) |
| 09:16.38 | zcat[1] | 'cos I don't really want to have to reinstall |
| 09:16.39 | peterS | zcat[1]: that ought to work fine. things that are broken now might stay broken for awhile, to be sure |
| 09:16.39 | cosmos | okie i'll try |
| 09:16.59 | peterS | cosmos: good luck. I've never tried xresprobe - it didn't exist when I installed this machine, I believe |
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| 09:17.18 | zcat[1] | yeah, I might wait and see if things come right, then try that.. worst case I have to use my backups.. |
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| 09:17.42 | cosmos | SUSE and mandrake detect 1280x800 without problem, kind of myth... |
| 09:17.52 | cosmos | Ok i'll try thanks guys |
| 09:18.16 | cosmos | right now i'm bakc in ubuntu... |
| 09:19.10 | peterS | cosmos: there are some really really old video cards that caused problems when you tried doing monitor plug'n'play detection, so that's probably why it hasn't been the default thing to do in the past. it will probably be the default thing in the future, I'm guessing |
| 09:19.15 | zcat[1] | I hope this comes right again, my wife's not going to like launching stuff from konsole.. |
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| 09:19.42 | peterS | zcat[1]: surely she can be konsoled. it's not *that* hard |
| 09:19.54 | petemc | heh |
| 09:21.22 | th0ger | Is there an easy way to manage /etc/rd*.d/ scripts in debian? (i've previously used ntsysv in mandrake) |
| 09:21.48 | jm_ | there are quite a few utils to manage that |
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| 09:22.08 | th0ger | jm_: eg |
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| 09:22.48 | jm_ | th0ger: update-rc.d is standard, apt-cache search sysv init |
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| 09:23.19 | E-work | yep |
| 09:23.31 | E-work | update-rc.d (which is an idiotic command name btw :) ) does the trick |
| 09:23.37 | E-work | the man page explaits it pretty well |
| 09:23.55 | th0ger | thx |
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| 09:25.43 | tralala | zcat[1]: your wife should really be using sarge or at most etch |
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| 09:26.40 | zcat[1] | _I_ should be using etch!! |
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| 09:27.10 | Guerin | !services |
| 09:27.10 | dpkg | [services] to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 09:27.16 | Guerin | th0ger: there's yer list |
| 09:27.39 | zcat[1] | I think I'll let it slide back.. the kids have their own ubuntu machine now, perhaps I should just give Sue a login on that :) |
| 09:28.42 | tralala | zcat[1]: well, get rid of the sid then |
| 09:29.11 | zcat[1] | Yeah.. I know :) |
| 09:30.07 | zcat[1] | but sid gets all the cool toys first! |
| 09:30.08 | mlopes | i've made a dpkg --get-selections and then --set-selections + dselect-upgrade |
| 09:30.16 | mlopes | but apt-get only removes 3 packages |
| 09:30.25 | mlopes | while it should remove ~ 50 and install 30 |
| 09:30.33 | mlopes | any ideas why? |
| 09:31.23 | tralala | zcat[1]: but not the menus to access them obviously |
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| 09:32.06 | zcat[1] | this is the first time it's ever done this to me.. usually the breakages are fairly minor.. |
| 09:32.17 | tralala | + it breaks the not-so-cool-but-working-and-needed programmes |
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| 09:32.29 | jethro | yeah, like the libpam0g ones, there's harmless |
| 09:32.38 | jethro | s/there's/they're/ |
| 09:32.52 | sep | zcat[1], that's why we have a computer we use (runnign sarge) and a computer we toy with that can run sid. |
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| 09:33.13 | jethro | or that's why we run sid because we won't bitch when the menus in kde are gone |
| 09:33.20 | tralala | it broke some libs on me not-so-long ago that resulted in the browsers stop working |
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| 09:36.00 | zcat[1] | worst case I can do everything I need to do from console... I'll get by.. |
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| 09:36.23 | zcat[1] | (or I could boot ubuntu live..) |
| 09:37.43 | zcat[1] | Hey, another question.. why does cdrecord (using dev=ata:) stop working with kernels past 2.6.8 |
| 09:38.16 | jm_ | I use 2.6.12.5 and dev=/dev/hdc works fine |
| 09:38.36 | zcat[1] | ahh... |
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| 09:39.19 | Bob_ | Does anybody have a clue why some packages have themselves in their "Conflicts" and/or "Replaces" depends ? |
| 09:39.33 | Eclipser | older versions? |
| 09:39.40 | zcat[1] | cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,1,0 is how I used to do it.. I guess they switched to /dev/hdc format.. |
| 09:39.56 | jm_ | to be honest, I haven't tried using ATAPI syntax for ages |
| 09:40.01 | Eclipser | :) |
| 09:40.09 | jm_ | I usually use growisofs these days anyway |
| 09:40.14 | Karnaugh | zcat[1]: the switched over to the "fuck Linux, solaris is better" format |
| 09:40.15 | cahoot | zcat[1]: the latter implies the former |
| 09:40.17 | Karnaugh | Eclipser: likewise |
| 09:40.24 | zcat[1] | I haven't had to think about it for ages, it just stopped working one day.. |
| 09:40.25 | Karnaugh | eventhough k3b is jsut a frontend to cdrecord |
| 09:40.38 | Eclipser | yep |
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| 09:42.21 | Bob_ | (Re packages: it's not older versions, conflicts and replaces are generally the exact same version as the package itself...) |
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| 09:43.21 | zcat[1] | jethro: there's hundreds of new packages all the time, and mostly they don't break stuff.. so I just wait until something breaks and then try to figure out why.. |
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| 09:44.13 | zcat[1] | but I do think I should stop running sid.. |
| 09:44.19 | jethro | so do I |
| 09:44.33 | cpop | hello. How can I prevent gcc-4.0 from being installed? Holding the previous version doesn't work, it's in a different (gcc-3.3) package |
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| 09:45.28 | sep | cpop, dont install it, and dont install anything that depends upon it |
| 09:45.30 | zcat[1] | install both, change the link to point to whichever you want at the time ? |
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| 09:46.24 | zcat[1] | lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7 Aug 13 20:53 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-3.3 |
| 09:46.56 | Mortalman | zcat[1]: Hell yeah, that's what I'm talking about. |
| 09:47.08 | cpop | sep: yeah but what about bulk upgrades? |
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| 09:48.23 | zcat[1] | (atah perhaps you should ignore my advice; I have no menus!) |
| 09:48.28 | zcat[1] | *otoh |
| 09:48.41 | cpop | zcat[1]: I guess... but I was hoping for it to be possible to actually prevent its install. Some kind of file where I can write "gcc-4.0" and all the package utils would look there and work out the dependencies around forbidding that. |
| 09:48.52 | daos | can soneone tell me where sarge puts the kernel-source after it doownloads it? |
| 09:49.05 | jethro | daos: in /usr/src |
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| 09:49.27 | jm_ | daos: list the contents of the package, as always, unless you use apt-get source in which case use ls -rt |
| 09:49.29 | daos | thanks jethro :DD |
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| 09:50.16 | zcat[1] | brb |
| 09:50.18 | LesleyB | question on installation-reports: should I include the contents of /var/log/debian-installer and it's sub dirs ? |
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| 09:51.02 | cpop | besides, if I install gcc-4.0 and tweak the symlinks, next time 4.1 pops out I'll have to do the trick again |
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| 09:52.46 | LesleyB | anyone knwo? |
| 09:52.52 | LesleyB | or know even? |
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| 09:53.10 | Mortalman | Can someone suggest a good alternative to xli ?? |
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| 09:53.52 | jm_ | Mortalman: yes |
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| 09:54.04 | Mortalman | s/Can/May |
| 09:54.10 | Mortalman | heh |
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| 09:54.20 | jm_ | apt-cache search image view |
| 09:54.38 | jm_ | or viewer maybe |
| 09:54.40 | maj | ok got it to boot AND dhcp right but getting an Id "1" respawning too fast error |
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| 09:54.47 | Malith_ | !sarge |
| 09:54.48 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 09:55.11 | Malith_ | !install debian |
| 09:55.12 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 09:55.32 | maj | it say something lik line 0 termwrap thing |
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| 09:55.47 | LesleyB | !installation-report |
| 09:55.47 | Mortalman | jm_: I'm looking for more then a viewer. I want to set a background image and am looking for the best tool. suggestions other than previously stated? |
| 09:56.04 | jm_ | Mortalman: display |
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| 09:56.08 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 09:56.14 | LesleyB | !bug-report |
| 09:56.45 | Bob_ | cpop: aptitude has an option to forbid a certain package version, at least, not sure if that's aptitude working or another layer, could that be of some use ? |
| 09:57.18 | tralala | LesleyB: msg the bot |
| 09:58.23 | E-work | is there no way to search for filenames inside aptitude? |
| 09:58.32 | LesleyB | I tried /msg dpkg installation-report and got nothing tralala |
| 09:58.33 | Guerin | E-work: use apt-file for that |
| 09:58.49 | E-work | Guerin: i know i CAN use that, i was just wodnering if u couldnt use it inside aptitude |
| 09:58.51 | E-work | would be much smarter |
| 09:58.53 | Guerin | E-work: aptitude doesn't store a database of what files are in which packages; that'd be unwieldy |
| 09:59.05 | Guerin | E-work: by all means, implement it :) |
| 09:59.15 | E-work | hehe cant be too hard to hack |
| 09:59.16 | Guerin | E-work: even just a hook into apt-file would be useful |
| 09:59.20 | E-work | yep |
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| 10:00.24 | cpop | well what do you know I figured it out |
| 10:00.26 | Bob_ | cpop: aptitude has an option to forbid a certain package version, at least, not sure if that's aptitude working or another layer, could that be of some use ? |
| 10:00.52 | LesleyB | and the bug reporting page on the site is more designed toward bug-reporting and not installtion-report delivery |
| 10:00.59 | cpop | bob_: yes, but it only works on installed packages, if you're talkinga about holding |
| 10:01.13 | cpop | Anyway, here's the trick: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin |
| 10:01.29 | cpop | I created /etc/apt/preferences |
| 10:01.34 | cpop | and I added: |
| 10:01.44 | cpop | Package: gcc-4.0 |
| 10:01.49 | cpop | Pin: version 1.0* |
| 10:01.53 | cpop | Pin-Priority: 1001 |
| 10:01.59 | Bob_ | cpop: hmm, no, don't think I was talking about holding, if you've got the console in front of you, in the help screen, there seems to exist an option 'f', but not sure if that too works only on installed packages... :/ |
| 10:01.59 | cpop | same for cpp-4.0 |
| 10:02.13 | cpop | oh, you mean F (forbid) |
| 10:02.32 | Bob_ | cpop: yes, indeed, but not sure if that'd work, anyway, you've got it solved already :) |
| 10:02.54 | cpop | again, it only applies to installed packages. this is a particular situation, since gcc-3.3 and gcc-4.0 are different packages |
| 10:03.20 | cpop | anyway, the /etc/apt/preferences trick seems to affect apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:03.25 | cpop | which is what I wanted |
| 10:03.33 | Logi | I'm seeing a funny font problem |
| 10:03.48 | Guerin | Logi: apt-get install xfonts-serious |
| 10:03.51 | cpop | I guess reading the documentation does pay off :D |
| 10:03.57 | Guerin | or maybe it's xfonts-unfunny |
| 10:04.01 | Bob_ | cpop: ahh, ok, sorry about that then ;) and thanks for the info ;) |
| 10:04.27 | Logi | I've got a truetype font that I've placed in /usr/Share/fonts/truetype and have restarted X a number of times. It appears in all the apropriate lists, but doesn't actually display properly |
| 10:04.55 | Logi | Guerin: that's actually a good joke, but I need this font to be working for a demo this afternoon so you'll excuse my lack of mirth |
| 10:04.58 | cpop | bye |
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| 10:07.29 | Guerin | hrm, what causes "Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt" |
| 10:07.39 | Guerin | when a box is otherwise running fine and idle |
| 10:07.49 | tralala | a hw problem? |
| 10:07.55 | Logi | sounds to me like a disk problem |
| 10:08.00 | tralala | Logi: maybe your font is broken |
| 10:08.14 | Guerin | Logi: harddisk? |
| 10:08.20 | Logi | tralala: good hypothesis, but it's running on one other debian box and a number of windows boxes |
| 10:08.31 | Logi | Guerin: yeah, or IDE controller |
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| 10:08.52 | Logi | Guerin: sounds like it was about to synch the file system but got an error and bailed |
| 10:08.55 | Guerin | hrm, the mobo is new, I just replaced it because of a similar error |
| 10:08.56 | tralala | Logi: so the other debian box has exactly the same software? |
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| 10:09.19 | Logi | tralala: not my box, an older debian installation |
| 10:09.20 | jm_ | Guerin: driver problem |
| 10:09.24 | Guerin | the cpu is also new ... that leaves ram, and the drive (and the software, I suppose, which is running perfectly on other machines) |
| 10:09.40 | Guerin | jm_: 2.6.11-1-686 and a via82c* |
| 10:09.45 | Guerin | pretty basic stuff |
| 10:09.47 | Logi | tralala: but both are using x.org from unstable |
| 10:09.50 | jm_ | Guerin: might also be hardware issue |
| 10:10.03 | Guerin | ide cable not fully connected? |
| 10:10.04 | tralala | Logi: ah, you should have started with this |
| 10:10.05 | jelly | Does adding Tags: to the bug report mail replace the old tags, or add to them? |
| 10:10.10 | jm_ | Guerin: try using ksymoops and see where it crashes |
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| 10:10.18 | Guerin | okeh |
| 10:10.40 | jm_ | might require lots of manual typing though :P |
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| 10:11.09 | reloaded | hi all |
| 10:12.01 | DrZoot | anyone here running linux on an ati mb chipset? thinking of buying a laptop with ati rs480m mb chipset and ati xpress 200 integrated graphics |
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| 10:12.32 | DrZoot | havent been able to find any good things siad about ati stuff |
| 10:12.44 | gentoothreefour | how do i force unmount something |
| 10:13.01 | Logi | maybe I should bypass xfs and the defoma mess that I don't understand |
| 10:13.02 | dimir | umount -f |
| 10:13.15 | gentoothreefour | it says device busy |
| 10:13.18 | gentoothreefour | anyother else |
| 10:13.45 | tralala | Logi: either that or maybe you should not use unstable |
| 10:13.52 | Logi | tralala: sure |
| 10:13.56 | dimir | gentoothreefour: you have to free it first |
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| 10:14.14 | dimir | gentoothreefour: like, stop stuff from using it |
| 10:14.37 | tralala | gentoothreefour: see what's using it with fuser -m /your/mount/point |
| 10:14.55 | TheStick | say, anybody got a good superkaramba 0.37 package for debian? |
| 10:15.02 | TheStick | with correct dependencies? |
| 10:16.06 | Logi | ok, xorg delegates font handling to xfs. xfs reads it's config from /etc/X11/fs/config and that file has a list of paths to look for fonts in, right? |
| 10:16.13 | tralala | !tell TheStick -about repeat |
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| 10:16.44 | Logi | and it has a bunch of /usr/lib/X11/fonts/... paths, none of which contain my font which is in /usr/share/fonts/truetype |
| 10:16.52 | gentoothreefour | tralala: /mnt/iso/: 9618c |
| 10:17.12 | tralala | gentoothreefour: ps 9618 |
| 10:17.16 | dimir | gentoothreefour: that is the process ID using it |
| 10:17.17 | TheStick | tralala: what did I repeat? o_O |
| 10:17.19 | dimir | gentoothreefour: without 'c' |
| 10:17.19 | Logi | but neither does it contain a number of other paths from there. Where should my font dir be listed? |
| 10:17.26 | jm_ | Logi: might also be fontconfig, depending on the app |
| 10:17.35 | tralala | TheStick: excuse me, I got confused |
| 10:17.50 | TheStick | yeah, I can see that :D |
| 10:18.02 | dimir | gentoothreefour: you probably are in the directory |
| 10:18.03 | TheStick | alcohol's bad, mmkay? :þ |
| 10:18.20 | dimir | gentoothreefour: if so, cd out of it and repeat |
| 10:18.23 | gentoothreefour | cool thanks |
| 10:19.00 | tralala | bad?! it's great! |
| 10:19.29 | dimir | yeah! |
| 10:20.02 | tralala | if applied apropriately it's good for the health |
| 10:20.13 | tralala | it's a medicine! |
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| 10:20.39 | Logi | jm_: I have an empty /usr/share/fontconfig folder, except for a local.conf.md5sum |
| 10:21.04 | dimir | tralala: seconded! |
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| 10:22.20 | notPoncha | the filenames i see in lost+found are inode numbers actually, right ? |
| 10:22.24 | jm_ | Logi: its config is in /etc/fonts and it most likely includes the dir in question - also see if fc-list finds the font (might want to tell it to include bitmapped fonts) |
| 10:23.02 | Logi | jm_: this is a truetype font, so that shouldn't be needed here, but I'll go see |
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| 10:24.03 | poncha|work | so actually if i'm looking for some files that were recently added , i would be looking for highest numbers right ? |
| 10:25.10 | poncha|work | if i'm right on that, i'd need a numeric-sort for them and not natural (alphabetical) ... can this be achieved ? |
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| 10:25.53 | poncha|work | i mean sort their list somehow (cause there are thousands there) |
| 10:26.12 | Logi | jm_: yeah, that has a reference to the parent of my truetype directory and seems to recurse. I've also re-run mkfontdir but that didn't seem to change much |
| 10:27.29 | Logi | ricky_clarkson: morning :) |
| 10:27.48 | Logi | ricky_clarkson: Iðm back in Italy so I'll be a bit disorient[ed|ing] |
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| 10:30.43 | jm_ | Logi: well what app is not finding the font? |
| 10:30.44 | yang | these are not valid sources? Failed to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/sid/non-US/non-free/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found |
| 10:31.29 | lilldude | were is news group reader on debain |
| 10:31.54 | tralala | lilldude: apt-cache search news reader |
| 10:32.00 | pngwn | lilldude, packages.debian.org |
| 10:32.35 | lilldude | ok ill have to find one |
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| 10:34.27 | th0ger | What makes Ubuntu better than Debian (or vice versa)? |
| 10:34.39 | sep | !why debian |
| 10:34.40 | dpkg | not in testing yet is ($1): $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed on http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=$1 |
| 10:34.44 | sep | !whydebian |
| 10:34.44 | dpkg | from memory, whydebian is because http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://ext2.org/99/02/imoore2.html or http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/WhyDebianRocks |
| 10:34.55 | sep | !better |
| 10:34.55 | dpkg | methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 10:35.03 | yang | which command add new sources.list? |
| 10:35.15 | Logi | jm_: no app... KDE, xfonsel, java |
| 10:35.15 | sep | th0ger, i prefer debian, becouse i havent tried ubuntu, and i want slow release cycles |
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| 10:35.20 | Logi | jm_: let me just try firefox |
| 10:35.35 | jm_ | Logi: how about simple things like xterm -fn foo? |
| 10:36.21 | Logi | xterm: unable to open font "GreekTimes", trying "fixed".... |
| 10:36.55 | Logi | that's why I'm all in a knot about this, it's not just a pretty font, it's *the* font with the ancient greek glyphs |
| 10:37.03 | Logi | and I'm demonig an editor for an ancient greek dictionary |
| 10:37.19 | Logi | it'll not go down well with Helvetica substituted |
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| 10:37.51 | Logi | jm_: hmm.. xterm doesn't find much, no Arial f.ex. |
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| 10:39.27 | jm_ | Logi: do you have an alias named GreekTimes? otherwise you'll need a full font specification |
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| 10:39.48 | tralala | Logi: do you have any TT fonts available? |
| 10:39.49 | jm_ | maybe try xterm -fa GreekTimes |
| 10:39.51 | Logi | jm_: for it to work in xterm? I don't believe I have an alias |
| 10:40.03 | jm_ | Logi: and it won't work unless fc-list shows it |
| 10:40.43 | crocd | i would appreciate some advice regarding boot configuration to boot into Xen on a proliant server please? |
| 10:40.54 | Logi | ok, fc-list doesn't have it |
| 10:40.56 | jm_ | hmm fc-list doesn't list it here but xterm starts fine with it |
| 10:41.07 | Logi | xterm starts but with a substitute font |
| 10:41.13 | jm_ | yeah it's weird, doesn't complain at all for me |
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| 10:41.19 | Logi | xterm actuall will accept anything you pass it and fall back silently |
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| 10:41.46 | jm_ | yes, pretty stupid - it should at least mention it |
| 10:41.53 | Logi | yeah, it does with -fa |
| 10:41.59 | jm_ | not for me |
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| 10:42.42 | Logi | jm_: sorry, it complains with a bad -fn |
| 10:42.49 | crocd | i get an error 13 relating to the kernel it is indicating that the /boot/vmlinuz-2.6-xen0 root=/dev/ida/c0d0p1 ro could be the problem |
| 10:42.53 | jm_ | Logi: yes, that's not fontconfig stuff |
| 10:43.45 | ceres | since a few days logcheck wont run and when i start it manually with debug it states: D: [1124793637] logoutput called with file: /var/log/syslog /usr/sbin/logcheck: line 1: /var/log/syslog: Permission denied |
| 10:44.15 | ceres | rights are 640 root:adm |
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| 10:45.02 | jm_ | ceres: start it as which user? |
| 10:45.16 | toad_ | i have two sets of sources in my /etc/apt/sources.list - testing and unstable. apt seems to be preferring testing. can i safely drop the unstable sources? |
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| 10:45.27 | ceres | jm_: logcheck i think |
| 10:45.45 | Logi | jm_: ok, I moved the font to the MS font folder and now it appears on fc-list |
| 10:45.52 | jm_ | ceres: is it in group adm? |
| 10:46.08 | ceres | jm: i just put it in |
| 10:46.17 | jm_ | ceres: well then fix it |
| 10:46.24 | jm_ | Logi: ahh might be a cache issue |
| 10:46.42 | ceres | jm: it is in group adm |
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| 10:46.59 | jm_ | ceres: did you add it to group adm after you logged in as thos user? |
| 10:47.02 | jm_ | this |
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| 10:47.23 | ceres | jm: ah ok |
| 10:47.36 | ceres | jm: will try this vice versa |
| 10:47.49 | jm_ | logout and login again if you did, or use newgrp command |
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| 10:50.32 | Logi | jm_: sigh, no, it still substitutes sans-serif for it |
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| 10:52.14 | nornagon | is there a 7zip archiver for Sarge? |
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| 10:52.40 | nornagon | or do I just use etch or unstable's package/compile it myself? |
| 10:52.51 | MDC | how can i do ctrl + alt + FXX from a remote location? |
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| 10:53.00 | Logi | -rw------- 1 root root 270K 2005-08-12 00:14 GreekTimes.ttf |
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| 10:54.07 | nornagon | (by etch or unstable's package, I mean etch or unstable's p7zip package) |
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| 10:55.18 | toad_ | i have two sets of sources in my /etc/apt/sources.list - testing and unstable. apt seems to be preferring testing. can i safely drop the unstable sources? |
| 10:55.33 | Logi | jm_: thanks a lot for your help |
| 10:55.43 | jm_ | Logi: uhm yes, why wasn't it like that? |
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| 10:55.53 | Logi | jm_: because I'm a git |
| 10:56.03 | jm_ | Logi: you can also stuff it in ~/.fonts for fontconfig to pick it up ;) |
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| 10:56.13 | Logi | jm_: orbecause I copied it in there at 3 in the morning after 16 hours of coding, take your pick |
| 10:56.27 | Logi | jm_: ok, thanks for that info as well |
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| 10:57.21 | jm_ | Logi: mistery solved ;) |
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| 10:57.28 | tapas | can someone tell me in what packahge the info files for libc are? |
| 10:57.46 | jm_ | tapas: yes, someone can |
| 10:58.02 | th0ger | So, i know debian well; Which new stuff should i learn, if i switch to ubuntu? Is the pkg-management and file structure the same, etc ? |
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| 10:58.56 | tapas | there's a certain level of childishness i will not put up with. consider yourself /ignore'd |
| 10:59.03 | hendry | Anyone know how I unfuck my base-config unstable? |
| 10:59.05 | jm_ | thanks for letting me know! |
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| 11:00.33 | nkuttler | tapas: apt-cache search libc doc |
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| 11:01.24 | tapas | nkuttler: ah ok, opposed to the usual debian style the doc package for libc6 is not libc6-doc. good to know. installing glibc-doc. thanks |
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| 11:02.32 | nkuttler | tapas: you may want manpages-dev too |
| 11:02.50 | tapas | nkuttler: got those already. thanks for the pointer tho.. |
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| 11:03.48 | crocd | can anyone here give me advice on grub config on a proliant server? |
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| 11:04.41 | timgoh0 | crocd: what kind of advice do you need? |
| 11:06.03 | crocd | grub entry is as follows /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.* root/dev/ida/c0d0p1 ro |
| 11:07.03 | crocd | i have xen installed copying the above entry and it errors on boot, i thought it might be because of a different kernel so added upgraded to 2.6 but it wont boot |
| 11:07.34 | crocd | what do i need to change to correct the grub entry? |
| 11:07.42 | jm_ | that's not a valid config line for grub |
| 11:07.51 | Guerin | tapas: itym there's a certain level of childishness up with which you will not pu |
| 11:07.52 | petemc | it is, for the kernel line |
| 11:07.52 | timgoh0 | the grub entry you mention does not look like it;s from grub.conf |
| 11:08.03 | Guerin | t |
| 11:08.11 | crocd | it is in the kernel line the error is highlighting |
| 11:08.14 | jm_ | it's missing a kernel keyword, then it also includes * |
| 11:08.18 | petemc | oh, the 2.4.* bit isnt right |
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| 11:08.38 | crocd | i missed out the kernel and after 2.4 to type less |
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| 11:08.49 | jm_ | crocd: don't do that, use paste sites instead |
| 11:09.25 | crocd | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6-xen0 root=/dev/ida/c0d0p1 ro is the fulle entry which is listing the error |
| 11:09.38 | jm_ | what error? |
| 11:09.41 | crocd | I am working on a different laptop |
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| 11:10.31 | crocd | it says error 13 and then prints out the kernel line. I thought it might be relating to a typo or incorrect entry pointing to the directory for boot but it is correct |
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| 11:11.00 | petemc | crocd: it would be hard to say what the problem is, with you ammending lines, and pasting lines that arent relevant |
| 11:11.15 | timgoh0 | check your kernel image |
| 11:11.44 | timgoh0 | if i am not mistaken, error 13 means that the image is an invalid executable |
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| 11:12.02 | crocd | xen as far as i know doesnt have one, i will check the notes again. |
| 11:12.06 | timgoh0 | how exactly did you build the kernel? |
| 11:13.08 | rixth | I get permission denied when I try and access my CD drive. I'm in the cdrom group, What can I do? |
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| 11:14.05 | crocd | guys i think i might have found something, i will check it and let you know. |
| 11:14.11 | crocd | thanks for the help |
| 11:14.13 | Paranoid^ | ncc1701e |
| 11:14.38 | jm_ | indeed, sounds like it can't recognize the kernel image -- ERR_EXEC_FORMAT |
| 11:15.41 | ceres | jm_: it somehow didn't work out, but i'll try more tomorrow - thanks so far :) |
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| 11:16.54 | tapas | Guerin: ;) |
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| 11:19.20 | rixth | I'm really in a bind here, can someone please off a suggestion? |
| 11:19.32 | Slippy | what's up? |
| 11:20.23 | timgoh0 | rixth: what is the permission set on your cdrom device? |
| 11:20.33 | th0ger | Anyone knows a debian->ubuntu switching howto? |
| 11:20.37 | timgoh0 | i am assuming it's /dev/cdrom |
| 11:21.32 | rixth | Geez, I'm drawing a _big_ blank. Refresh my memory how to check |
| 11:21.46 | rixth | th0ger, well, you wont find it here :) |
| 11:22.09 | timgoh0 | ls -al /dev | grep cdrom |
| 11:22.21 | notPonch[a] | are there any tools existing in this world that can help sort out things in lost+found and/or search for something there ? (like , i want to find files of specific type(format) for instance) |
| 11:22.30 | rixth | Thats the one, I couldn't remember the switches |
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| 11:22.49 | rixth | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2005-07-15 12:54 cdrom -> /dev/hdd |
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| 11:23.21 | jm_ | notp;tried using file? |
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| 11:23.30 | jm_ | poncha|work ^^^^^ |
| 11:23.33 | jhumo | hi |
| 11:23.53 | zcat[1] | ls -l /dev/hdd perhaps? |
| 11:24.12 | jhumo | hey what is this dak source .....I am not able to figure out.....can anybody tell me |
| 11:24.13 | rixth | brwxrwxrwx 1 root cdrom 22, 64 2005-02-26 19:38 |
| 11:24.15 | poncha|work | jm_, does it detect filetype based on extension or content ? |
| 11:24.15 | Guerin | th0ger: download an ubuntu cd, install it. Not quite rocket science |
| 11:24.28 | timgoh0 | how are you mounting the cdrom? |
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| 11:24.45 | tralala | me? |
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| 11:25.15 | crocd | i changed the kernel entry and added module entry which gets it to boot thanks for listening guys |
| 11:25.16 | jm_ | poncha|work: man file |
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| 11:25.47 | Thanatermesis | Im try to configure my rsync server of my packages for mirroring in a more big server... the port are redirected, daemon launched and the configuration are: http://pastebin.com/343846 |
| 11:25.52 | jhumo | I found one bug for ftp-master....they want it to be documented ....but how to see source of that |
| 11:25.57 | Thanatermesis | how to test if works or not ? |
| 11:26.05 | qronik | rixth. you can try changing ownership of /dev/hdd, but that's only a temporary fix, and you'll have to change ownership every time you boot |
| 11:26.22 | qronik | i don't know why you can't access it as a user when you are added to the cdrom group |
| 11:26.36 | zcat[1] | if it's not working as rwxrwxrwx, it's not going to work ever.. |
| 11:26.43 | poncha|work | jm_, reading.. |
| 11:26.54 | qronik | zcat[1]. if he changes ownership, it will work fine. |
| 11:27.08 | zcat[1] | how? it's already rwx for everyone.. |
| 11:27.11 | rixth | goobox, gnomebaker, grip... all still say permission denied. |
| 11:27.16 | qronik | read/write has nothing to do with his permissions issue. |
| 11:27.18 | jm_ | zcat[1]: that's because it's a symlink, doh |
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| 11:27.40 | qronik | rixth. i just told you, try changing ownership to username:cdrom |
| 11:27.42 | rixth | goobox as root will work, |
| 11:27.43 | qronik | username being your login |
| 11:27.45 | zcat[1] | /dev/hdd is rwx too (brwxrwxrwx is what he posted when I asked) |
| 11:27.49 | rixth | qronik, I did |
| 11:28.12 | jm_ | that's for hdd? he should fix that, it shouldn't be +rw for others |
| 11:28.28 | SimonRaven | root:cdrom, adduser username cdrom |
| 11:28.30 | rixth | jm_ what are default permissions for it? |
| 11:28.30 | qronik | i know that, i never told him to chmod anything |
| 11:28.31 | zcat[1] | of course not.. but if it is, everything should have access now.. |
| 11:28.32 | qronik | someone else did |
| 11:28.37 | jm_ | and permission for the device doesn't matter (it only matters for mounting, not for reading the contents) |
| 11:28.37 | SimonRaven | should be 660 |
| 11:28.50 | SimonRaven | and s/he needs to log out afterwards |
| 11:28.55 | jm_ | rixth: see what SimonRaven said |
| 11:29.09 | qronik | he already added himself to the cdrom group. |
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| 11:29.13 | zcat[1] | permission should be 660, owned by root:cdrom, yes |
| 11:29.19 | qronik | you guys are going around in circles |
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| 11:29.26 | jm_ | no, he is ;) |
| 11:29.34 | rixth | Paste, http://hashcss.org/paste/7 |
| 11:29.46 | zcat[1] | permission of /dev/hdd (where cdrom points) not /dev/cdrom which is only a link..) |
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| 11:30.25 | timgoh0 | rixth: what are the permissions of /dev/hdc ? |
| 11:30.25 | zcat[1] | btw; I think after you add yourself to the cdrom group you have to log out and in again for it to have any effect? |
| 11:30.37 | qronik | yes, you have to logout and back in |
| 11:30.39 | SimonRaven | of course |
| 11:30.40 | qronik | he never did that? |
| 11:30.41 | jm_ | zcat[1]: well newgrp helps |
| 11:31.04 | rixth | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 22, 0 2005-02-26 19:38 /dev/hdc |
| 11:31.11 | zcat[1] | qronik: don't know.. but lots of people don't realise they need to.. |
| 11:31.24 | timgoh0 | rixth, is this the cdrecorder you are attempting to write to? |
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| 11:31.36 | jm_ | so you don't really need to logout, as long as you run you command in a newly spawned shell |
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| 11:31.40 | Guerin | newgrp <groupname> works as well |
| 11:31.40 | rixth | timgoh0, Indeed, but noone other than root can read either |
| 11:31.43 | zcat[1] | hdc? Umm.. is the drive hdc or hdd?!! |
| 11:31.52 | qronik | yeah, you said hdd before |
| 11:31.54 | jm_ | bah typing sucks today |
| 11:31.54 | qronik | which is it |
| 11:32.09 | zcat[1] | dmesg!! |
| 11:32.11 | Anthro | I'm trying to figure something out about apt pinning. It seems that the Package: line allows a * or a specific package, but is not a regex. Is that the case? I want to pin all apache packages to stable; do I have to list them individually? |
| 11:32.28 | zcat[1] | or /proc/something.. where do drives show up? |
| 11:32.36 | SimonRaven | /dev |
| 11:32.56 | zcat[1] | no, I mean when the kernel probes them.. |
| 11:33.22 | timgoh0 | rixth: hdc seems to not have permissions for the group cdrom |
| 11:33.35 | Guerin | Anthro: the answer you seek is documented in man apt_preferences |
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| 11:33.44 | rixth | timgoh0, exactly, I chmodded to 777 and its fine but thats not a real solution |
| 11:33.46 | zcat[1] | If hdc isn't the cdrom drive is shouldn't! |
| 11:33.52 | zcat[1] | s/is/it |
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| 11:34.33 | zcat[1] | First thing I'd do is decide if the cdrom drive is hdc or hdd.. |
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| 11:34.47 | qronik | probably a good idea |
| 11:34.55 | jm_ | anthony_: nothing about it in the man page? |
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| 11:35.26 | jm_ | Anthro: nothing about it in the man page? |
| 11:35.41 | Anthro | jm_,Guerin: I read the apt_preferences man page and didn't find anything about regexes or not. The examples are all either specific packages or *. It appears that it isn't a regex, but it isn't at all specific about what it can be. |
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| 11:36.04 | Guerin | Anthro: that's pure bullshit |
| 11:37.31 | jm_ | Anthro: yup, no details about it |
| 11:37.33 | Anthro | Guerin: Are you talking about the "specific form" and "general form" distinction? |
| 11:37.55 | rixth | timgoh0, whatever you think is better, or how do I check the members of disk? |
| 11:38.34 | Guerin | Anthro: no, i'm talking about the specific exammple which allows you to pin perl 5.8* |
| 11:38.53 | sep | i'v been trying to get proftpd to work, but it seams it dosnt like my nsswitch/pam + mysql setup very much. anyone know of a ftpdserver that is compatible with pam+mysql/nsswitch+mysql setups, and that allow virtual chroot into users ~ dir. was hoping to hot have to try evry availeable ftp server.. |
| 11:38.58 | Anthro | Guerin: That isn't a regex on the package name, it's a regex on the version. I'm talking about the package name. |
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| 11:40.36 | fatal_ | sep: I've used vsftpd with pam/mysql myself... |
| 11:40.52 | sep | fatal_, ill try that next then thanks |
| 11:40.58 | fatal_ | !vsftpd |
| 11:40.58 | dpkg | it has been said that vsftpd is a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ... |
| 11:41.15 | fatal_ | http://vsftpd.beasts.org |
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| 11:42.23 | fatal_ | (Why is the official homepage url not in the bots info? :/) |
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| 11:43.41 | sep | dpkg, vsftpd is also homepage at http://vsftpd.beasts.org |
| 11:43.41 | dpkg | sep: that's too long |
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| 11:43.49 | sep | yes i guess it is |
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| 11:44.19 | qronik | haha what's "too long" about that? |
| 11:44.26 | cuqui | pls, i'm not able to configure ati mobility radeon 9700se |
| 11:44.36 | cuqui | pls, need help or i'll go crazy |
| 11:44.44 | fatal_ | qronik: the complete string is too long with extra info appended? |
| 11:44.53 | qronik | ah ok |
| 11:45.06 | qronik | i thought it was referring too the url being too long |
| 11:45.09 | E-work | but doesnt support multi string info i guess |
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| 11:45.47 | rixth | !ops please remove MeTaLLiCa as it is a porn spam on-join bot |
| 11:45.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please remove MeTaLLiCa as it is a porn spam on-join bot |
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| 11:47.27 | qronik | when did freenode start using ident flags anyway? |
| 11:47.30 | qronik | or did it always |
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| 11:49.09 | qronik | nice 1 |
| 11:49.14 | petemc | qronik: couple of weeks ago it seems |
| 11:49.49 | rixth | !ops please remove MeTaLLiCa as it _KEEPS_ spamming me |
| 11:49.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please remove MeTaLLiCa as it _KEEPS_ spamming me |
| 11:49.51 | petemc | qronik: at least, it stopped using the standard tildes a few weeks ago |
| 11:49.55 | Anthro | apt has 621 open bugs. Yeesh. |
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| 11:51.05 | Thanatermesis | thana@Onion5:~/rsynctest$ rsync -av rsync://thana.no-ip.org: . |
| 11:51.05 | Thanatermesis | ftp Elive repository |
| 11:51.05 | Thanatermesis | thana@Onion5:~/rsynctest$ |
| 11:51.08 | Thanatermesis | this is not good ? |
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| 11:51.24 | Thanatermesis | :/ |
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| 11:51.50 | drust_ | hellloo |
| 11:52.06 | drust_ | debhelper ? |
| 11:52.12 | drust_ | :( |
| 11:52.19 | drust_ | is there an operator ? |
| 11:52.31 | drust_ | MeTaLLiCa is a spambot |
| 11:52.45 | qronik | ignore it. |
| 11:52.45 | drust_ | <MeTaLLiCa> http://www.sexy**tux***.***.ms Free Porno Videos |
| 11:52.46 | jhumo | hey can anybody tell me what is dak source |
| 11:52.50 | tralala | drust_: use !ops |
| 11:52.52 | sep | !ops MeTaLLiCa is a spambot |
| 11:52.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: MeTaLLiCa is a spambot |
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| 11:54.43 | Thanatermesis | my rsync command not are launched good ? Im not understand... how to are mirror ? |
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| 11:55.33 | pirre | Thanatermesis: elaborate |
| 11:56.17 | ptlis | I'm gettting join spam from MeTaLLiCa. |
| 11:56.23 | Thanatermesis | elaborate ? |
| 11:56.43 | pirre | Thanatermesis: explain further |
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| 11:57.34 | tralala | ptlis: it was reported to the ops |
| 11:57.35 | frans-th | hi all |
| 11:57.39 | frans-th | i need your help |
| 11:57.45 | frans-th | anyone can help me to mirror debian repo? |
| 11:57.47 | ptlis | Thanks tralala. |
| 11:57.51 | frans-th | to my server of course |
| 11:58.08 | Thanatermesis | pirre, I have configured a rsync for have mirrors of my repository, but I try to "upload" from another machine my rsync server and not works, only show the "comment" line, its good, but don't show the contents for mirroring |
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| 11:58.16 | tralala | frans-th: did you try the rsync manual? |
| 11:58.22 | DrZoot | anyone know how i can figure out which process is using a port |
| 11:58.35 | rixth | Is there a way to find out what modes my cD writer supports? (dao, tao, sao etc) |
| 11:58.38 | Anthro | DrZoot: lsof |
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| 11:58.40 | tralala | DrZoot: man fuser |
| 11:59.06 | frans-th | i know rsync |
| 11:59.09 | Anthro | frans-th: I've had good success with debmirror. |
| 11:59.15 | frans-th | debmirror :) |
| 11:59.17 | frans-th | can help me |
| 11:59.21 | frans-th | i just hear that use rsync |
| 11:59.25 | frans-th | but still new in that tools |
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| 11:59.35 | frans-th | i yesterday, try to ftp |
| 11:59.36 | frans-th | is it ok? |
| 11:59.41 | Anthro | frans-th: It can use ftp or rsync. |
| 11:59.52 | tralala | rixth: the cd burners should be probing |
| 12:00.18 | rixth | tralala, yes but how do I find out what they are returning? |
| 12:00.20 | frans-th | i use ftp to ftp://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 12:00.35 | frans-th | but the internet always disc here, |
| 12:00.36 | sep | rixth, tried cdrecord -checkdrive ? |
| 12:00.38 | frans-th | so i need a resume way |
| 12:00.42 | tralala | rixth: I, personally, would read the manuals |
| 12:00.44 | frans-th | so can resume if broken |
| 12:00.53 | rixth | "Multiple segmentation faults occurred; can't display error dialogue" God. Thats _not_ good. |
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| 12:04.03 | veleno | everytime i open a new shell, i got a list of DECLARE and some environment variable..why ? |
| 12:04.28 | Coke | veleno: one of your startup scripts are printing it |
| 12:04.31 | veleno | i mean, i got a lot of lines like this: declare -x TERM="xterm" |
| 12:04.38 | tralala | veleno: check your .bashrc and .bash_profile |
| 12:04.55 | rixth | sep, that command didn't work |
| 12:05.00 | emurz | what is the name of the nonfree unrar package? |
| 12:05.15 | jethro | emurz: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:05.18 | Coke | emurz: have you tried apt-get install unrar? |
| 12:05.34 | veleno | emurz: apt-cache search unrar |
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| 12:05.42 | emurz | it's the free one here =/ |
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| 12:06.07 | Coke | emurz: I have never seen a free. |
| 12:06.13 | jethro | emurz: you need non-free in your sources.list, then apt-cache will find it |
| 12:06.16 | tralala | emurz: do you have the nonfree branch in your sources.list? |
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| 12:06.44 | ehaase | is software suspend still pretty buggy? last time i heard (a while back), it was pretty buggy and I was wondering if its pretty usable now... |
| 12:06.47 | emRick | When I play wave files in xmms, the playback is a garbled fast-forward version. But wave files play fine in xine or in ocp. What is wrong? Do I have the wrong input/output plugin? |
| 12:06.53 | veleno | tralala: what should I look for ? i can't see anything strange |
| 12:06.53 | emurz | nope |
| 12:06.54 | Coke | or perhaps emurz is misunderstanding what free and nonfree means. I don't think there's such a thing as a free unrar if you go by the Debian policies. |
| 12:07.06 | tralala | ehaase: it's still pretty buggy in 2.6.8-2 |
| 12:07.32 | emurz | tralala: what is its address? |
| 12:07.35 | Coke | emRick: what playback are you using for XMMS and xine respectively? |
| 12:07.50 | jethro | Coke: as a matter of fact, there is unrar, unrar-free, and unrar-nonfree in debian |
| 12:07.57 | mxn | Will gcc4 still/definitely break sid? |
| 12:08.05 | tralala | veleno: you should look for declare, if not there check .profile, /etc/profile, etc |
| 12:08.06 | Coke | jethro: I only have unrar. |
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| 12:08.16 | jethro | Coke: do you have non-free in your sources.list? |
| 12:08.17 | Coke | jethro: I use stable and testing. |
| 12:08.19 | tralala | emurz: I don't know |
| 12:08.27 | Coke | jethro: yes. |
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| 12:09.17 | jethro | Coke: maybe it's just in sid then. I would have sworn I used it in sarge as well, when it was still testing |
| 12:09.27 | vekpos | is there a method for not to load the opened applications of the last session? |
| 12:09.37 | Coke | jethro: I don't think so. Only the non-free unrar AFAIK. |
| 12:09.53 | tralala | vekpos: there are different methods for the different environments |
| 12:09.53 | Coke | jethro: but it would be nice to have a free one soon then, if it is already in sid. |
| 12:10.00 | vekpos | oh, sorry, in gnome |
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| 12:10.23 | jethro | Coke: it's been there for a while, so I'm kind of surprised sarge only has a non-free unrar |
| 12:10.33 | Coke | vekpos: the gnome session configuration utility can help you configure such things, although I do not know where to find it. |
| 12:10.52 | Coke | jethro: hm. how long? |
| 12:11.04 | vekpos | hm, im already there... ill search |
| 12:11.15 | jelly | why not use rar? |
| 12:11.28 | veleno | tralala: you mean "declare" as instruction ? i did a grep over .bashrc, .bash_profile, /etc/profile, and there's nothing |
| 12:11.38 | Coke | jethro: "This program is shareware and you must register it after 40 days of use." |
| 12:11.46 | jethro | Coke: I couldn't tell you, sorry. but it was way before the release of sarge |
| 12:11.59 | jelly | as long as you're using non-free, might as well go with the real thing |
| 12:12.14 | Coke | RAR is a damn joke anyway, there are better ways of splitting archive-files with checksums. |
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| 12:12.37 | jethro | Coke: indeed. where did you read the disclaimer? |
| 12:12.39 | Coke | jethro: no, the unrar package does not require me to register jack after 40 days |
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| 12:12.48 | Coke | jethro: in the package description. |
| 12:12.48 | tralala | veleno: check out what other possible startup files there could be (like .profile for example) and grep there as well. If nothing helps you might need to run bash under strace |
| 12:12.54 | jelly | rar is a damn fast joke, comparable to bzip2 in compression. It's nice. |
| 12:13.01 | emRick | Coke: in xmms, the "output plugin" is "OSS Driver 1.2.10 [libOSS.so]". I have several input plugins and I can't tell which is selected; maybe "libsndfile input plugin 1.2 [libxmms_sndfile.so]". How can I tell what playback I'm using in xine? |
| 12:13.21 | xerophyte | where can i find the grub configuration file for the debian ? |
| 12:13.23 | Coke | jethro: no, it is not faster than bz2 compared to it's compress ratio |
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| 12:13.29 | petemc | veleno: i once had a similar issue, i had put some files in /etc/bash_completion.d/ , strace helped me find that out |
| 12:13.37 | xerophyte | in my redhat box its /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 12:13.38 | rixth | Are there any dcent CD burners? (for audio) gnomebaker is crap. apt-cahc edidnt help |
| 12:13.48 | tapas | rixth: try k3b |
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| 12:14.14 | rixth | tapas, I don't want to get ldelibs eh. |
| 12:14.20 | rixth | eErm, kdelibs |
| 12:14.24 | pngwn | xerophyte, man grub ? |
| 12:14.26 | Coke | jethro: besides, people constantly keep RAR'ing already compressed data (like mpeg) making the compression somewhere between none and extremely little. |
| 12:14.28 | jethro | Coke: hmm? |
| 12:14.28 | tapas | rixth: well, k3b rox. if you don't want it, then don't use it |
| 12:14.42 | jethro | Coke: why are you saying this? :) |
| 12:14.53 | petemc | rixth: you mean apt-cache search cd burn showed nothing other than gnomebaker? |
| 12:15.02 | jelly | Coke: your nick completion's gone bad. ;-) |
| 12:15.03 | Coke | jethro: to demote the use of rar? :) |
| 12:15.04 | tralala | rar is a piece of propriarity shit. A fairly good piece, but still a shit. |
| 12:15.09 | jethro | Coke: the only reason I have unrar is because swome windows users friends of mine use it :) |
| 12:15.13 | Coke | crappy crappy IRSSI |
| 12:15.21 | rixth | petemc, nothing releveant, no. xcdroast but thats not audio. |
| 12:15.37 | Coke | It doesn't work like BASH (or any other) completion, it just takes the last, damn nick seen in the channel. |
| 12:15.45 | tapas | rixth: may i ask why you don't want to install kdelibs? |
| 12:15.47 | xerophyte | pngwn, so its default use [default=/boot/grub/menu.lst so if i want to custom compile i need to edit that file am i right |
| 12:15.53 | petemc | rixth: theres something wrong with your system then |
| 12:15.55 | Coke | Well, I'm off for tea anyway. |
| 12:15.57 | pngwn | yes |
| 12:16.02 | rixth | tapas, cause they're like 20mb. |
| 12:16.06 | jethro | Coke: cheers |
| 12:16.16 | rixth | Ttring mp3burn. |
| 12:16.17 | tapas | rixth: oh the horror :) |
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| 12:16.20 | rixth | Eh, trying. |
| 12:16.28 | rixth | tapas, on 256k, yes :) |
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| 12:16.53 | Dazgard | hi |
| 12:17.19 | greycat | rixth: why do you need a GUI front-end to burn audio? |
| 12:17.33 | greycat | isn't the stuff I added to the FAQ on Saturday good enough? |
| 12:17.40 | rixth | greycat, because thats how I like it. |
| 12:17.44 | rixth | `nuff said. |
| 12:17.55 | SerajewelKS | rixth, k3b? |
| 12:18.05 | rixth | SerajewelKS, not enough bandwidth :) |
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| 12:18.11 | emRick | Coke: in xmms, I am using "OSS Driver 1.2.10 [libOSS.so]" output plugin. In xine, the "audio driver to use" is "oss". I've changed to alsa in xmms (and xmms is still fast-forward garbled) and have changed to alsa in xine (and xine still plays fine). |
| 12:18.18 | SerajewelKS | rixth, then stop complaining |
| 12:18.47 | Thanatermesis | any person help me with rsync please ? I need to mirroring my repository with rsync, my server are configured OK, how to transfer ? |
| 12:18.53 | tapas | k3b rox and should run well in 256mb of memory [it depends on what other stuff you got loaded] |
| 12:18.54 | rixth | What the fuck did **insert operator name here** put up your asses today. Geez. |
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| 12:19.27 | qronik | wahhh! |
| 12:19.33 | greycat | !comfort qronik |
| 12:19.34 | dpkg | There, there, qronik. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:19.39 | qronik | aww, ty <3 |
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| 12:19.46 | qronik | i was crying on rixth's behalf. |
| 12:19.50 | SerajewelKS | okay i'm scared now... |
| 12:20.18 | Dazgard | i've a program to compile using autoconf but some of my librairies are on a non standard path, how can i make the configure script use those pathes please ? |
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| 12:20.38 | greycat | Dazgard: depends on how new it is. Does './configure --help' talk about CPPFLAGS at the end? |
| 12:20.45 | emRick | Can any of you play wave files in xmms? If so, what input/output drivers are you using? (My xmms does garbled, fast-forward playback.) |
| 12:20.59 | SerajewelKS | emRick, i can play wavs fine |
| 12:21.00 | qronik | i can play *.wav and *.ogg fine |
| 12:21.05 | qronik | you need the correct plugins |
| 12:21.11 | greycat | emRick: you probably have an i810 or VIA built-in chipset. |
| 12:21.16 | SerajewelKS | qronik, XMMS comes with a built-in WAV player |
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| 12:21.29 | Dazgard | greycat: yes |
| 12:21.38 | greycat | i810/VIA are notorious pieces of crap that can't resample |
| 12:21.49 | zimnyx | please take look on my problem http://pastebin.com/343901 |
| 12:21.52 | greycat | Dazgard: then use CPPFLAGS=-I/path/to/my/includes ./configure .... |
| 12:21.56 | Dazgard | i exported CPPFLAGS, but configure complain saying : |
| 12:21.58 | Dazgard | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 12:22.03 | emRick | greycat: that's right. |
| 12:22.05 | greycat | !FAQ Dazgard |
| 12:22.07 | dpkg | Dazgard: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 12:22.12 | Dazgard | greycat: cool thanks man |
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| 12:23.05 | greycat | emRick: you'll need to find software (either apps or drivers, I'm not sure which) that's intelligent enough to resample the 44.1kHz (or 22.05kHz) audio to the 48 kHz that the sound card requires |
| 12:23.27 | emRick | greycat: that is, I have VIA built-in chipset. Are you aware of work arounds, such as an alternate driver for xmms? In particular, why does xmms fail but xine work fine? |
| 12:23.41 | greycat | emRick: ask #xmms |
| 12:23.57 | emRick | ok |
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| 12:24.35 | xerophyte | wat is the sarge kernel version now just wondering |
| 12:24.49 | emRick | anyway, you've given me something good to search on. Hmm, if I do sound-recording to 48 kHz, then maybe playback will work. |
| 12:24.51 | greycat | the same as it was 2 months ago, of course. |
| 12:25.09 | tralala | xerophyte: packages.debian.org |
| 12:25.19 | greycat | "stable" means it doesn't change. |
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| 12:25.35 | tralala | unless... |
| 12:25.59 | tralala | a bug is discovered |
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| 12:26.13 | rixth | Okay, back, and I found waht I needed. |
| 12:26.21 | jethro | tralala: the kernel version would still remain the same, only the security fix would be backported afaict |
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| 12:26.24 | tralala | but even then the version doesn't change |
| 12:26.27 | jethro | ;) |
| 12:26.29 | vladkao | rixth: l33t hostname |
| 12:26.36 | rixth | Message from syslogd@bear at Wed Aug 24 12:26:23 2005 ...bear kernel: Assertion failure in __journal_unfile_buffer() at fs/jbd/transaction.c:1512: "jh->b_jlist < 9" |
| 12:26.39 | vladkao | tralala: zdrasti :D |
| 12:26.41 | rixth | I got a feeling thats not good. |
| 12:26.47 | tralala | vladkao: zdravo :) |
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| 12:26.54 | greycat | looks like a kernel or file system bug. |
| 12:27.18 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 12:28.14 | emurz | I had once a gui for unrar, so it shows me the files that are in the rared file, how can I enable this |
| 12:28.38 | xerophyte | greycat, but the stable kernel get patched for the security issues am i right |
| 12:28.47 | SimonRaven | um, i'd check for some sort of -l or --list option instead... |
| 12:28.48 | greycat | yes |
| 12:29.09 | Thanatermesis | please help with rsync, I have configured the server but Im not understand how to mirror from my server to a remote machine... no upload or show files for upload... |
| 12:29.20 | SimonRaven | tar has t, unzip has -l |
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| 12:29.42 | greycat | I've always used unzip -v to view. |
| 12:29.48 | jethro | Thanatermesis: man rsync /EXAM |
| 12:30.01 | zimnyx | i'm missing sound device files, do i need to run MAKEDEV.snd ? i use udev, why those devices are missing? (sound & aumix works fine). http://pastebin.com/343901 |
| 12:30.27 | SimonRaven | so why worry? |
| 12:30.33 | greycat | zimnyx: MAKEDEV is not useful with udev. it's only for the *normal* unix /dev tree, not the l33t uber-special Linux udev thing. |
| 12:30.48 | tralala | hehe :) |
| 12:30.55 | tralala | I can tell greycat doesn't like udev |
| 12:31.20 | Thanatermesis | jethro, mmmh, what are exactly a "module" ? I need to define this ? |
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| 12:32.27 | zimnyx | greycat: ok then, what should i do to make alsamixer work? it can't open some sound /dev/ files (no such file or dir). |
| 12:33.00 | greycat | udev creates nodes in /dev on the fly when drivers are inserted. |
| 12:33.19 | SimonRaven | run /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices... but the stupid thing should be creating the files when asked |
| 12:33.27 | zimnyx | greycat: yep, and i got my ALSA snd driver compiled in kernel. |
| 12:33.31 | greycat | so you're supposed to sit back and watch hotplug and/or discover magically discover your sound chipset and load the right driver, and voila! a /dev/* node should appear. |
| 12:33.37 | jethro | Thanatermesis: module? |
| 12:33.42 | jethro | Thanatermesis: what are you talking about? |
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| 12:33.56 | SerajewelKS | zimnyx, why the heck are you using a custom kernel |
| 12:34.07 | greycat | !debian kernel image |
| 12:34.08 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 12:34.26 | zimnyx | SerajewelKS: i use patches from outside. |
| 12:34.45 | greycat | if you made your sound NON-modular, you did more than just patch. |
| 12:34.49 | tralala | and then you wonder why things break? |
| 12:35.15 | jm_ | I suppose coldplug might help him |
| 12:35.33 | tralala | or even unplug... |
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| 12:35.39 | Thanatermesis | jethro, Im dont' know, rsync speak "module"... |
| 12:35.43 | zimnyx | greycat: you suggest compiling it as module will fix the thing? |
| 12:35.49 | greycat | hot, cold, can't anyone get the plug to a nice *warm* temperature? |
| 12:36.04 | greycat | zimnyx: duplicate your problem with a debian kernel image. |
| 12:36.22 | greycat | otherwise, we're going to assume it's some problem *you* caused with your custom configuration, and that we can't guess. |
| 12:36.35 | zimnyx | ok |
| 12:36.55 | greycat | (and remember: sid's udev wants 2.6.12 or higher) |
| 12:36.58 | zimnyx | i'll try tommorow - must get back to work now |
| 12:37.08 | zimnyx | greycat: i run 2.6.12.5 |
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| 12:37.41 | zimnyx | thanks guys |
| 12:37.48 | Yiroon | OK, how about this one: bash: /cdrom/install.sh: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 12:37.58 | cammoblammo | That's right <dpkg>. Trying to learn by having a go and asking questions is only for l33t hAxX0r5 who are superior to most mortals and know everything anyway. |
| 12:38.01 | greycat | Yiroon: sh /cdrom/install.sh |
| 12:38.27 | Yiroon | But the first line in install.sh says #!/bin/bash |
| 12:38.31 | Xteven | hello, does anyone know if there is a tool in apt for generating stubs for RPC::XML in perl ? |
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| 12:38.37 | greycat | Yiroon: but you don't have +x perms on it. |
| 12:38.47 | greycat | if you require bash features, use: bash /cdrom/install.sh |
| 12:38.57 | Yiroon | Strange, it worked in SuSe though. |
| 12:39.00 | Yiroon | Not in Debian. |
| 12:39.20 | greycat | suse probably mounted the ISO 9660 file system with a different umask, giving EVERY file therein +x perms. Or it has rock ridge extensions, etc. |
| 12:39.25 | tralala | So this is the first hint for you that Debian is *different* than Suse |
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| 12:39.30 | Yiroon | OK. |
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| 12:39.48 | Yiroon | Well, I'm not used to SuSe. Never used it, just tried on a SuSe at work. |
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| 12:40.01 | tralala | no, it's actually the second hint, the first is the different name |
| 12:40.25 | TiTAN_pi8 | hello, has anybody got samba to cross compile? I think the configure script is broken. I always get this error: cannot run test program while cross compiling |
| 12:40.33 | jethro | doesn't debian defaults to noexec,nodev,nosuid for the cdrom? |
| 12:40.42 | jethro | s/defaults/default/ |
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| 12:41.36 | greycat | jethro: mine's got ro,user,noauto. and since user implies noexec, you're close. |
| 12:42.21 | jethro | ah right, mine has that too :) |
| 12:42.29 | TiTAN_pi8 | anyone? |
| 12:42.35 | greycat | ask #samba |
| 12:42.43 | jethro | TiTAN_pi8: #samba will know better |
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| 12:43.00 | TiTAN_pi8 | i'm there too but they don't respond |
| 12:43.06 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 12:43.07 | TiTAN_pi8 | :-/ |
| 12:43.10 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 12:43.10 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 12:43.13 | alterego | Is there a meta-package to get a gnome desktop from a base install? |
| 12:43.22 | greycat | hmm... someone euphemised it. |
| 12:43.28 | greycat | !factinfo they don't know |
| 12:43.28 | dpkg | they don't know -- created by greycat <~wooledg@192.35.79.70> at Tue Mar 1 17:31:45 2005 (174 days); it has been requested 129 times, last by greycat, 18s ago. |
| 12:43.39 | asuffield | and 'no answer' is an answer to questions of the form "Has anybody done <weird obscure thing>?" |
| 12:43.44 | greycat | I could've sworn it was s/people/idiots/ before. |
| 12:43.46 | jethro | hah |
| 12:43.58 | tralala | indeed! |
| 12:43.59 | tralala | :) |
| 12:44.15 | jethro | greycat: confirmed, I was used to reading a more rude version of 'they don't know' |
| 12:44.23 | chealer | greycat: yes, you've already been sane before |
| 12:44.24 | SerajewelKS | asuffield, if the weird obscure thing isn't a debian-specific thing, then yes. this is #debian, not #linuxhelp. |
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| 12:44.47 | greycat | SerajewelKS: I doubt he's even on Linux at this point. |
| 12:44.53 | greycat | why would you cross-compile to a Linux target? |
| 12:44.53 | alterego | Yeah, so what about my debian specific question? |
| 12:45.04 | greycat | !depends gnome sarge |
| 12:45.10 | dpkg | gnome: depends on gnome-desktop-environment (= 64), gnome-office (= 64), bluefish, evolution (>= 2.0.3) | balsa, gnome-cups-manager (>= 0.25), gnome-nettool, gnome-system-tools (>= 1.0.0), gnome-themes-extras, rhythmbox, synaptic (>= 0.53.4) | gnome-apt, totem, vino (>= 2.8.1), xscreensaver |
| 12:45.17 | TiTAN_pi8 | greycat, because the target is a MIPSel router and that's very slow |
| 12:45.24 | greycat | that plus x-window-system-core ought to do. |
| 12:45.35 | greycat | see? not debian. |
| 12:45.37 | greycat | not even linux. |
| 12:45.50 | alterego | greycat: Thankyou |
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| 12:46.03 | TiTAN_pi8 | greycat, what do you mean not linux, not debian |
| 12:46.19 | greycat | "a MIPSel router" is not Linux or Debian. |
| 12:46.26 | greycat | it probably ain't even *unix*. |
| 12:46.26 | jethro | greycat: debian has a mips/mipsel port ;) |
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| 12:46.37 | TiTAN_pi8 | greycat: yes it is it is running linux |
| 12:46.40 | greycat | jethro: he didn't *say* it was a Debian MIPSel router. So I assume it isn't. |
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| 12:46.54 | jethro | greycat: point taken |
| 12:46.56 | avrfreak | how many MB is tha XFCE4 for debian 3,1 |
| 12:46.58 | asuffield | jethro: mips/mipsel only runs on a tiny fraction of the mips/mipsel hosts in the world |
| 12:47.01 | asuffield | basically just SGI desktops |
| 12:47.33 | greycat | in any case, no, none of us have cross-compiled samba. |
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| 12:47.48 | greycat | when you fix the problem, be sure to send a patch to the upstream developers. |
| 12:47.49 | TiTAN_pi8 | it is running linux and I am running debian on my desktop |
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| 12:48.31 | TiTAN_pi8 | k |
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| 12:49.31 | tralala | eXistenZ: anyway I don't know |
| 12:50.07 | eXistenZ | okay, thanks :) |
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| 12:50.30 | goron | !sshfs |
| 12:50.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, sshfs is sshfs-fuse, or not shfs |
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| 12:52.26 | Pumpkin_ | hshefh |
| 12:53.08 | tarzeau | asuffield: i've got two sgi desktops that it won't run on |
| 12:53.22 | Petaris | does anyone know what is wrong with imagemagick that it would wan't to downgrade the kernel to install? |
| 12:53.23 | asuffield | tarzeau: I didn't say it ran on *all* sgi desktops :P |
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| 12:53.28 | asuffield | it just won't run on anything else either |
| 12:53.39 | tarzeau | i knew, i just wanted to make clear it really only runs on two or three |
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| 12:54.17 | tarzeau | Petaris: you've used unofficial packages? |
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| 12:54.38 | Petaris | tarzeau: I'm using unstable |
| 12:54.48 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 12:54.48 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 12:54.52 | j0xter | should eth0 be listed in modules.conf? I seem to be having network issues. |
| 12:55.36 | IsaacHaze | !ruby |
| 12:55.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ruby is a pure object oriented script language with a simple and clean syntax. It's supposed to have the best characteristics of Perl and Smalltalk. Learn about it at http://www.ruby-lang.org . a language that seems like a messy (Perlish) Python, or at http://www.rubycentral.com, or http://www.poignantguide.net/ruby/ |
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| 12:57.00 | tralala | j0xter: not necessarilly |
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| 12:57.33 | doublehp | I have used succesively: fdisk mkfs.ext3 mount cp .... to copy 130MB .... after reboot, df -h reports 130MB used, but ls -a reports no file nor directory .... any clue where files could be ? |
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| 12:57.50 | fatal_ | doublehp: lost+found ? |
| 12:58.01 | doublehp | fatal_: empty folder |
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| 12:58.16 | fatal_ | doublehp: ok, then it's simply lost (and not found). |
| 12:58.43 | greycat | unmount whatever you mounted on top of the directory |
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| 12:59.44 | j0xter | tralala: Do you know if there's a package I could reconfigure to try and fix my problems? The module (tg3) is loaded correctly, but I don't receive an IP adress. |
| 13:00.09 | tralala | j0xter: you need to be more specific |
| 13:01.22 | bibe | j0xter : you'd probably have to take a look to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:01.46 | j0xter | wow. Suddenly worked.. Maybe my ISP is running out of IPs :P |
| 13:01.53 | tdela | why does apt-cache search something always returns something that isnt relevant to the package, a big list, is there a better way to search? |
| 13:02.30 | tralala | tdela: specify more keywords? |
| 13:02.32 | Danar | i can't seem to get tor working, though it was working fine yesterday. w/ irc it says 'Proxy traversal failed'. can anyone help? |
| 13:02.44 | bibe | tdela : apt-cache --names-only or something like that |
| 13:03.02 | tdela | tralala: apt-cache search opera should return anything for opera, it gave me a list a mile long. heh |
| 13:03.23 | Danar | tdela: searches descriptions and stuff too |
| 13:03.56 | tralala | tdela: which means that there are a lot of things related to the browser. Try apt-cache search opera web browser or aptitude search opera |
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| 13:04.48 | tdela | xvnc is related to opera, wl, wmnl, heh. not likely, but ill try that tralala |
| 13:05.19 | Danar | tor is running, but doesn't seem to be working, though it was working fine yesterday. can anyone help? |
| 13:05.45 | tdela | thats a little better, i always found apt-cache search in the past to be awesome, just lately these long lists. |
| 13:06.01 | bibe | tdela : apt-cache search opera returns all packages with words containing opera (such as operation) in the full description. apt-cache --names-only search opera returns nothing to me (i use no repositories containing opera packages) |
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| 13:07.08 | tdela | ahh -names-only is niceeee |
| 13:07.12 | tdela | thanks bibe. |
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| 13:07.21 | sep | i have a customer that want to recive emails from a user on a broken domain, receiver_try_verify = true, in exim denies the email. is it possible to turn reciver_try_verify into a whitelist, so i can override it for this partiqular domain ? (i have alredy notified the offending domain, but it seams fixing it can take quite some time) |
| 13:07.26 | tralala | aptitude search is names-only by default |
| 13:07.32 | Evil_Devil | Hi. |
| 13:07.37 | Evil_Devil | My torrent client is using too much connections at the same time and thats why i cant browse the net. |
| 13:07.37 | Evil_Devil | My question is how can i limit the number of connections? |
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| 13:08.37 | qronik | doesn't your client allow you to do that? |
| 13:08.56 | Danar | heh, looks like it doesn't let him use irc either :p |
| 13:09.02 | qronik | hah |
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| 13:09.04 | SimonRaven | seems like other issues ... ;) |
| 13:09.07 | Dantix | Hi, anyone wants to answer a KDE question? |
| 13:09.13 | SimonRaven | no |
| 13:09.28 | tralala | !tell Dantix -about ask |
| 13:10.08 | Danar | can anyone help me fix tor, or figure out what's wrong with it? |
| 13:10.19 | Dantix | I´ve added a new user (not root) but I can´t do that user shutdowns the PC, how can give him right to do that? |
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| 13:10.37 | SimonRaven | man shutdown.allow or such |
| 13:10.44 | Danar | it's running, but it's not working. in irc i get 'proxy traversal failed'. in firefox i get a privoxy error page, etc |
| 13:10.46 | qronik | what does that have to do with KDE? |
| 13:10.49 | SimonRaven | see shutdown |
| 13:11.07 | SimonRaven | qronik: nothing. which is puzzling |
| 13:11.16 | TraceGreen | Dantix, you may try to use sudo shutdown -h now |
| 13:11.49 | SimonRaven | shutdown.allow pukes to easily. sudo method works better |
| 13:11.53 | SimonRaven | too* |
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| 13:12.12 | jm_ | they're two different people, Danar has tor problem, Dantix has KDE problem ;) |
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| 13:12.27 | SimonRaven | well golly ;p |
| 13:12.43 | Dantix | well, thanks to all |
| 13:12.44 | Danar | o.O |
| 13:13.16 | SimonRaven | go see the torus, at tors 'r' us |
| 13:13.29 | Danar | heh |
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| 13:14.18 | Wanderer | not showing it in my box |
| 13:14.38 | SerajewelKS | just curious.. has anyone got kqemu working on debian? |
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| 13:16.25 | tarzeau | has someone got a package of this: http://www.g95.org/ |
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| 13:18.27 | cahoot | 2 polls in a row without comment - wow |
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| 13:18.39 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 13:19.11 | lgd_ | i have upgrade my distro but now don't work alt gt + symbol |
| 13:19.23 | lgd_ | can i resolve this? |
| 13:19.32 | SerajewelKS | ... what? |
| 13:19.36 | jelly | lgd_: what locale? |
| 13:19.43 | yaarg | tralala: fortran.....! |
| 13:20.07 | tralala | yaarg: if you say so |
| 13:20.13 | lgd_ | it |
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| 13:20.37 | yaarg | tralala: hrm wrong person |
| 13:20.39 | TraceGreen | Hello, i want to add bootsplash to knoppix LiveCD, can anybody give me some idea? |
| 13:20.46 | TraceGreen | just like gnoppix |
| 13:20.58 | SerajewelKS | !tell TraceGreen about based on debian |
| 13:21.08 | stew | TraceGreen: wrong channel, you should be asking in #knoppix |
| 13:21.13 | jelly | lgd_: X or console? |
| 13:21.17 | tralala | TraceGreen: #knoppix should know better |
| 13:21.36 | lgd_ | jelly: X |
| 13:21.39 | lgd_ | jelly: gnome |
| 13:22.06 | lgd_ | jelly: i have upgrade gnome-core and now don't work altgr |
| 13:22.11 | EasterSunshine | anyone knows where i can find a comprehensive guide to how to handle my /etc holder? eg which files don't need to be there, and how to use those that do? |
| 13:22.26 | ricky_clarkson | lgd_: xev |
| 13:22.46 | ricky_clarkson | !drxx lgd_ |
| 13:22.47 | SerajewelKS | EasterSunshine, short answer: stuff is there for a reason. don't touch it. |
| 13:22.47 | dpkg | lgd_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:22.58 | petemc | EasterSunshine: you edit the files as you discover you need to, and you certainly dont go deleting files you think you dont need |
| 13:23.02 | tralala | EasterSunshine: it's very simple - don't touch it, unless adviced by some manual and you really know what you're doing |
| 13:23.12 | EasterSunshine | SerajewelKS: i have configuration files for like openoffice, irssi, and other stuff i don't have installed |
| 13:23.23 | greycat | and if this were a *real* unix system, every file in /etc would have its very own man page. |
| 13:23.26 | EasterSunshine | its annoying when i am looking for a particular file |
| 13:23.27 | SerajewelKS | EasterSunshine, when you removed them, did you use --purge? |
| 13:23.41 | ricky_clarkson | EasterSunshine: Why? |
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| 13:23.53 | EasterSunshine | SerajewelKS: uninstalled them with synaptic pacakge manager |
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| 13:24.15 | SerajewelKS | EasterSunshine, if you didn't use "purge" when removing the package, the config files are left behind |
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| 13:24.26 | tralala | EasterSunshine: aptitude purge $(aptitude search ~C) |
| 13:24.30 | SerajewelKS | EasterSunshine, if you know what packages, you can purge them without reinstalling them |
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| 13:24.50 | EasterSunshine | let me try |
| 13:25.11 | Ryanakca | has anyone here used cwcp? |
| 13:25.24 | SerajewelKS | !anyone use |
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| 13:25.25 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 13:25.34 | eXistenZ | Does anyone know a guide to install the driver of ATI Radeon 9250 |
| 13:25.37 | tralala | EasterSunshine: actually it's ~c |
| 13:25.52 | Danar | can anyone help me with tor? |
| 13:26.00 | SerajewelKS | !anyone help |
| 13:26.01 | Danar | it doesn't seem to be allowing connections |
| 13:26.06 | SerajewelKS | hrm... |
| 13:26.10 | Danar | i find this in the log: [notice] No Tor server exists that allows exit to [scrubbed]:6667. Rejecting. |
| 13:26.13 | tralala | eXistenZ: what seems to be the problem? |
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| 13:26.36 | eXistenZ | I need to install the OpenGL |
| 13:26.42 | Danar | SerajewelKS: you might want to give a person a chance to finish the question before doing that |
| 13:26.43 | eXistenZ | I don't know if it's installed =/ |
| 13:27.05 | SerajewelKS | Danar, see !enter |
| 13:27.08 | Ryanakca | ok, as I was saying, had anyone here used cwcp, because I get |
| 13:27.14 | tralala | eXistenZ: how is this related to the radeon driver? |
| 13:27.14 | cahoot | Danar: especially in the light of an earlier question in the same vein |
| 13:27.16 | Danar | SerajewelKS: hrm? |
| 13:27.21 | SerajewelKS | !enter |
| 13:27.21 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 13:27.25 | Ryanakca | and error message saying: cw: sound AFMT_U8 not supported: Protocol error |
| 13:27.44 | Sonderblade | how do you get the version of a debian package? |
| 13:27.54 | eXistenZ | tralala: well, there are generic drivers which do not support opengl, and there is the original driver which supports opengl. |
| 13:27.54 | SerajewelKS | Sonderblade, dpkg -l packagename |
| 13:28.00 | DoppelGanger | rtm |
| 13:28.14 | greycat | !version |
| 13:28.14 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. |
| 13:28.24 | Danar | cahoot: i'm still asking for help with the same thing, only now i've found alog entry |
| 13:28.28 | Danar | * a log |
| 13:28.28 | eXistenZ | tralala: what I did is simply that in the x config file I added "radeon" as my display card and it works. |
| 13:28.44 | SerajewelKS | !tell Ryanakca about in the channel |
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| 13:28.47 | SerajewelKS | ... couldn't resist |
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| 13:28.49 | tralala | eXistenZ: so once again, what seems to be the problem? |
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| 13:29.12 | Sonderblade | SerajewelKS, that only lists versions of installed packages |
| 13:29.17 | DrZoot | anyone had experience with linux on ati mb chipsets ?? specifically the rs480m |
| 13:29.28 | SerajewelKS | Sonderblade, oh.. thought that's what you wanted. try 'apt-cache show packagename' |
| 13:29.40 | Sonderblade | thanks |
| 13:29.45 | tralala | !tell DrZoot -about ask |
| 13:30.33 | eXistenZ | tralala: How can I know whether opengl works fine here |
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| 13:30.56 | Ryanakca | has anyone had the same problem with cwcp? |
| 13:31.02 | DrZoot | tralala: im not telling im simply asking, i am considering purchasing a laptop with an rs480m chipset and xpress 200, i dont have any specific questions except the one i asked |
| 13:31.23 | Danar | hrm, apt-cache show mozilla-firefox lists 3 versions of firefox |
| 13:31.24 | DrZoot | ive heard that ati driver support pretty much sucks |
| 13:31.28 | Danar | o.O |
| 13:31.38 | pingouin | ati sucks |
| 13:31.43 | DrZoot | id like to get a bit of feed back on the oppinion |
| 13:31.44 | pingouin | !troll on |
| 13:31.45 | SerajewelKS | Danar, one of them is installed, and the other two are from different sources? |
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| 13:32.15 | tralala | eXistenZ: glxgears |
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| 13:32.30 | Danar | well, they all 3 have different 'installed' sizes |
| 13:32.42 | eXistenZ | tralala: what about these gears? :) |
| 13:32.44 | SerajewelKS | Danar, as they should |
| 13:32.50 | Danar | Version: 1.0.6-3, Version: 1.0.4-2sarge2, Version: 1.0.4-2 |
| 13:33.04 | SerajewelKS | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 13:33.09 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
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| 13:33.12 | SerajewelKS | !info mozilla-firefox sid |
| 13:33.17 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-3 (sid), Packaged size: 7442 kB, Installed size: 21012 kB |
| 13:33.18 | tralala | DrZoot: well, considering to buy a laptop is much more specific than asking if anyone has experience. Check out linux-on-laptops.com |
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| 13:33.44 | SerajewelKS | Danar, as i said... apt-cache show is listing the one you have installed, and two versions available from different sources in your sources.list |
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| 13:33.54 | Danar | oh, i misunderstood |
| 13:33.55 | Danar | thx |
| 13:33.57 | DrZoot | tralala: yeah i have, cant find anything about the specific one i want to buy ( compaq presario m2217ap ) |
| 13:34.00 | SerajewelKS | np |
| 13:34.00 | tralala | eXistenZ: it's a command that tests opengl. Run it and see it's output |
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| 13:34.04 | SerajewelKS | whoops, gotta leave for class |
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| 13:34.27 | Danar | bye |
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| 13:34.37 | eXistenZ | well, I saw these gears |
| 13:34.41 | tohil | Hi |
| 13:34.45 | eXistenZ | Does it mean that my opengl works properly? |
| 13:34.52 | tohil | someone here, who knows mondo/mindi? |
| 13:34.57 | eXistenZ | tralala: what about the fglrx mod, what does it do |
| 13:35.00 | tralala | eXistenZ: how much fps did it report? |
| 13:35.09 | Norbert | hi all; question: I trying to "talk" with a /dev/tty using a C program, but I'm unable to interact with it - writing "ls\n" is working, but the command is not being executed. Is there a FAQ or manual somewhere I can read? |
| 13:35.21 | eXistenZ | tralala: 3516 frames in 5.0 seconds = 703.200 FPS |
| 13:35.27 | tralala | it's the ati binary driver - supposed to give you better performance in exchange for a lot of bugs (closed source) |
| 13:35.29 | bibe | DrZoot : try tuxmobil.org too, there are many links already present on linux-on-laptops.com, but some more links |
| 13:35.30 | Gathond | eXistenZ: depends upon what you mean with properly, it works in the it shows stuff sence, but it might or might not be hardware accelerated at that point |
| 13:35.39 | tohil | someone here, who knows mondo/mindi? |
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| 13:35.42 | tralala | eXistenZ: your opengl works fine |
| 13:35.43 | saloxin | yo! whats the magic after dpkg --set-selections < inputfile ? |
| 13:36.05 | greycat | saloxin: dselect install |
| 13:36.06 | eXistenZ | tralala: or 4079 frames in 5.0 seconds = 815.800 FPS |
| 13:36.18 | Ryanakca | I'm guessing noone has had the same problem as I have, and nobody seems to have any ideas on what I should do, so I'm out of here! |
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| 13:36.32 | saloxin | greycat: thanks :) |
| 13:36.37 | eXistenZ | Gathond: so what is the fglrx mod about |
| 13:36.44 | tralala | eXistenZ: anything above 100 (or 200) means that you have hw acceleration (i.e. it works) |
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| 13:37.12 | eXistenZ | I see :) |
| 13:37.16 | tralala | eXistenZ: /lastlog tralala |
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| 13:38.00 | eXistenZ | tralala: how much does your card give you |
| 13:38.12 | drac | eXistenZ: "glxinfo | grep -i direct" actually tells more than glxgears. imho. and fglrx kernel module is direct rendering manager.. sends everything to hardware.. |
| 13:38.28 | tralala | eXistenZ: about the same because it's the same card |
| 13:38.39 | eXistenZ | =) nice |
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| 13:39.09 | eXistenZ | drac: direct rendering: Yes |
| 13:39.11 | tralala | drac: so is radeon for 9250 but not for newer cards |
| 13:40.47 | drac | tralala: I know, i'm using 9200 Pro ;) |
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| 13:41.33 | tralala | which is why I bought ati 9250 instead of nvidia |
| 13:41.55 | drac | with x.org 7.. hyperz enabled.. 8x agpmode.. s3tc enabled.. page flipping enabled.. and get 4000 FPS with glxgears *sigh* ;) |
| 13:42.27 | tralala | I guess this is what Pro stands for :) |
| 13:43.27 | tralala | but until EA releases linux native NFS I won't need high hp video |
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| 13:43.53 | drac | yeah, that would be great.. nice game |
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| 13:44.17 | drac | shame that driver "radeon" doesn't draw all textures in doom 3, almost, but things like flashlight light is borked |
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| 13:44.50 | nevyn | videocards suck |
| 13:44.55 | nevyn | well they don't |
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| 13:45.03 | cbr | why not use fglrx or smth |
| 13:45.06 | nevyn | but video cards and free os's suck |
| 13:45.13 | yaarg | wtf? |
| 13:45.16 | tralala | well they don't |
| 13:45.19 | yaarg | bollocks |
| 13:45.20 | tralala | but their drivers do |
| 13:45.28 | nevyn | cbr: because what's the point of using a free os if you're just going to load binary drivers. |
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| 13:45.40 | cbr | nevyn: higher fps? |
| 13:45.46 | cbr | and the drivers are free too |
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| 13:45.50 | yaarg | ffs we get some idiots around these parts |
| 13:45.51 | nevyn | no they're not |
| 13:46.12 | tralala | and higher amount of bugs, often resulting in complete crashes |
| 13:46.13 | cbr | nevyn: nobody asks you money for it |
| 13:46.17 | cbr | that's all i care about |
| 13:46.28 | boycer | wrong kind of free... |
| 13:46.36 | nevyn | cbr: then why not just warez windows? |
| 13:46.45 | nevyn | then you don't have to pay money for that either. |
| 13:46.52 | cbr | nevyn: omfg.. ATI GIVES you the drivers.. you dont steal them |
| 13:46.54 | yaarg | well that's illegal genius |
| 13:46.54 | nevyn | and you can run a whole bunc of software... |
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| 13:46.59 | greycat | 1) fglrx is NOT Free. 2) fglrx sucks rotten horse shit. |
| 13:47.07 | leOn | hello .. missed me? |
| 13:47.09 | tralala | hahah :) |
| 13:47.10 | drac | cbr: you get more FPS with 92x0 cards and open source driver than with fglrx |
| 13:47.12 | cbr | it's because ATI on Linux sucks, buy nVidia |
| 13:47.20 | tralala | !prize greycat |
| 13:47.21 | yaarg | indeed ^ |
| 13:47.22 | nevyn | greycat: nvidia is just as bad. |
| 13:47.35 | cbr | nvidia drivers rock |
| 13:47.48 | greycat | 1) nvidia is NOT free. 2) nvidia sucks rotten horses. |
| 13:47.54 | tralala | !cluebat cbr |
| 13:47.56 | nevyn | cbr: no buy ati. they at least give X people some documentation |
| 13:48.10 | pingouin | yeap but nvidia allow me to play great games ;) |
| 13:48.10 | greycat | X.Org has 3D acceleration for some of the Radeons |
| 13:48.11 | yaarg | wtf! |
| 13:48.12 | cbr | nevyn: who needs docs, when everything Just Works (tm) like nvidia |
| 13:48.12 | pingouin | under linux ;) |
| 13:48.15 | nevyn | nvidia are unco-operative bitches. |
| 13:48.16 | yaarg | nvidia drivers work great |
| 13:48.19 | pingouin | what ati...doesnt care |
| 13:48.19 | greycat | there's no need for fglrx for most people any more |
| 13:48.35 | sep | nvidia driver as a pice of cake and allways work. |
| 13:48.38 | nevyn | greycat: for the high end cards you still need it. :( |
| 13:48.41 | cbr | nevyn: WTF UNCOOPERATIVE? thats ati |
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| 13:48.49 | greycat | !start a GPU war |
| 13:48.52 | dpkg | Mummy! I spilled warm milk on my Parhelia! |
| 13:48.58 | nevyn | cbr: find me a single X hacker with a nvidia card. |
| 13:49.01 | pingouin | so..maybe nvidia'll understand one day that make his drivers free and work with communauty will be best for them let pray |
| 13:49.02 | drac | nevyn: not really, xorg 7 does 3d for all cards (experimental) |
| 13:49.13 | pingouin | while this -will never append- i'm happy to play |
| 13:49.14 | PerfDave | Hah, there are plenty of people for whom nVidia's drivers don't "allways work" :) |
| 13:49.17 | nevyn | drac: rv500? |
| 13:49.27 | pingouin | ut2K4 with my friends under windows |
| 13:49.33 | pingouin | or neverwinter nights |
| 13:49.40 | drac | nevyn: is that x800 or smthing? |
| 13:49.45 | nevyn | drac: yeah. |
| 13:49.47 | cbr | omg, people what are you on? the ati drivers suck but the nvidia ones kick ass and are as good as in windows |
| 13:49.50 | TraceGreen | Hello, can anyone tell me some tool just like bootsplash? |
| 13:49.51 | asuffield | I've never seen anything quite like the nvidia driver's ability to crash a box so hard that the fucking *power button* doesn't even work any more |
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| 13:49.54 | drac | nevyn: then, yes, 3d for that too |
| 13:49.55 | pingouin | and sorry for ati, or «free» drivers that doesnt work |
| 13:49.58 | nevyn | cbr: exactly. |
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| 13:50.08 | nevyn | cbr: they're exactly as good as they are on windows. |
| 13:50.10 | tralala | cbr: or as bad as under windows |
| 13:50.17 | leOn | hmm .. anyone recalls the maximum number of files ext3 allows in a single directory ? |
| 13:50.23 | cbr | nevyn: well ATI ones dont work for most ppl at all |
| 13:50.25 | nevyn | cbr: which is to say. if you're using smp forget it. |
| 13:50.38 | drac | nevyn: it's part of Mesa 6.3.1 (r300_dri.so).. bundled with xorg7.. can't wait it to be out :) |
| 13:50.40 | tralala | leOn: you could always brute-force it |
| 13:50.41 | greycat | cbr: we know fglrx sucks rotten horse shit. so don't use fglrx. use the X.Org drivers. |
| 13:50.42 | netman1 | Why does 'for host in a b c ; do ssh $host command ; done' stop after the first host and not with ssh -f, which continues without waiting for the ssh to finish? |
| 13:50.53 | stouset | cbr: Aye. I'm stuck with ATI right now on my laptop. Only with the latest xorg does it work, and even then not particularly well... |
| 13:51.03 | cbr | greycat: good luck getting 3d and new ati cards working with xorg drivers |
| 13:51.10 | tralala | greycat: even xfree supports 3D for some radeons |
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| 13:51.17 | greycat | netman1: is that the *actual* bash command? or did you "simplify" it? |
| 13:51.28 | cbr | tralala: SOME.. not all |
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| 13:51.38 | netman1 | greycat: yes I did simplify it. |
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| 13:51.56 | tralala | cbr: unlike nvidia where NONE are supported by the open drivers |
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| 13:52.02 | chris | Hi Guys |
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| 13:52.08 | greycat | cbr: yeah, but only a troll who's still in high school and has his mommy buy video cards so he can play first-person shooters would have such a new card. |
| 13:52.08 | chris | How stable is Debian Etch? |
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| 13:52.19 | stew | chris: currently not very stable |
| 13:52.19 | asuffield | so on the one hand we have the x.org driver that supports some of the radeons, and on the other we have the nvidia proprietary driver that crashes all of the geforces |
| 13:52.23 | nevyn | chris: not at all. |
| 13:52.24 | tarzeau | can't i set the debain default browser in thunderbird when i'm only a user? |
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| 13:52.25 | leOn | tralala: don't like to play much with defaults ... i'm pretty sure it's a very large number, but someone planning a huge mail system (with maildirs) wished to know if the value was reasonable for the system |
| 13:52.27 | Guerin | chris: |<-----this stable---->| |
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| 13:52.34 | chris | stew, thanks :P |
| 13:52.35 | pingouin | chris: dont play with that if you have to ask ;) |
| 13:52.39 | asuffield | and quite why you need a new card to play quake2 I don't know |
| 13:52.41 | cbr | greycat: so? that doesnt prove anything.. |
| 13:52.46 | chris | :P |
| 13:52.53 | Guerin | on a scale of |<-->| to |<------------------------...--------------------->| |
| 13:52.59 | asuffield | not like there's anything else in the archive that uses 3d and is worth installing |
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| 13:53.06 | nevyn | it depends what you're used to.. if you turn your machine off every day anyway. nvidia buggyness isn't likely to bother you. |
| 13:53.09 | leOn | one other thing i'm not sure of ... besides a maximum number of files in a dir .. is there a maximum number of files per filesystem ? |
| 13:53.14 | jcollins | hello everyone... I'm attempting to enable software RAID-1 on a system and everything seems fine except when the systems is rebooted the root partition is listed as degraded |
| 13:53.15 | greycat | asuffield: tuxracer? |
| 13:53.18 | tralala | leOn: no, what I mean is for brutefile in $(seq 1 10000000000); do touch brutefile.$brutefile; done |
| 13:53.24 | yaarg | i have a nvidia geforce 6800gt ultar under debian and all i can say is it works great, all my games run fast and smooth at full detail |
| 13:53.32 | leOn | tralala: gotcha |
| 13:53.33 | asuffield | greycat: I could go outside and run around the garden, it would be about as much fun |
| 13:53.37 | yaarg | and multiple monitor stuff is handled very nicely by the driver too |
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| 13:53.46 | honschu | How to check if /dev/js0 is used in the last 10 minutes? |
| 13:53.47 | jcollins | it syncs back up fine when I manually add the other drives partition back to the array though... |
| 13:53.48 | pingouin | asuffield: flightgear ? |
| 13:53.56 | qronik | outside? what's that |
| 13:53.58 | nevyn | yaarg: and that's fine. as long as you don't want to participate in the free sotware community. |
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| 13:54.09 | DeeJayTwo | hi! |
| 13:54.11 | asuffield | pingouin: who the hell plays that? it doesn't need a new video card, anyway |
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| 13:54.16 | DeeJayTwo | How do I reconfigure an already configured/installed package...? |
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| 13:54.17 | nevyn | sotware.. we just get pissed. |
| 13:54.24 | stew | DeeJayTwo: dpkg-reconfigure package |
| 13:54.26 | greycat | DeeJayTwo: depends on the package. |
| 13:54.28 | DeeJayTwo | ok thanks |
| 13:54.30 | zophyx | is there anything spectacular about sid ? |
| 13:54.33 | yaarg | nevyn: yeah my work on several projects counts for ntothing.. |
| 13:54.39 | yaarg | nevyn: what are youw orking on free software wise? |
| 13:54.40 | pingouin | asuffield: i play that ;) because there is no Microsoft Flight simulator under linux ;) |
| 13:54.47 | Tolimar | greycat: BTW: tuxracer ist dead, long life ppracer! |
| 13:54.50 | nevyn | yaarg: participation means more than just writing a single bit of code. |
| 13:54.50 | asuffield | I think all the 3d stuff in the archive works just fine with cards from the matrox G400 era |
| 13:54.51 | jcollins | all of the drive partitions involved are type FD |
| 13:54.57 | yaarg | nevyn: yeah it does |
| 13:54.58 | drust_ | a+ |
| 13:55.00 | stew | zophyx: its ability to fuck up |
| 13:55.00 | pingouin | asuffield: enemy territory |
| 13:55.05 | DeeJayTwo | greycat: it's exim |
| 13:55.10 | nevyn | yaarg: it means being able to report bugs meaningfully. |
| 13:55.11 | Guerin | whee, gcc4 throws lots of errors |
| 13:55.12 | greycat | DeeJayTwo: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 13:55.24 | sep | jcollins, your grub config uses root as /dev/hdxy instead of /dev/mdx ? |
| 13:55.34 | yaarg | nevyn: still answer my question please, what have you contributed? |
| 13:55.40 | nevyn | yaarg: without having the most critical layers of the system muddied by proprietary cruft. |
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| 13:55.45 | yaarg | i've wrote software... |
| 13:55.46 | Guerin | pingouin: i played the original rtcw in 2001 on my cel450 with 160MB and a tnt2 |
| 13:55.54 | Guerin | pingouin: no need for a new card for it now |
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| 13:55.55 | jcollins | sep, nope, root is md2 |
| 13:55.57 | pingouin | asuffield: or you can get demo of ut2K4 for linux, playable with 2 or 3 maps |
| 13:56.03 | honschu | How to check if /dev/js0 is used in the last 10 minutes? |
| 13:56.12 | stouset | honschu: I don't think you can. |
| 13:56.12 | DeeJayTwo | greycat: doesn't work |
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| 13:56.21 | asuffield | pingouin: that one works with radeons supported by xfree86 in sarge |
| 13:56.21 | DeeJayTwo | the package named exim4-config isn't installed ;) |
| 13:56.25 | honschu | stouset: maybe by a script? |
| 13:56.33 | pingouin | the same for Doom3 demo |
| 13:56.42 | stouset | honschu: What would a script do? |
| 13:56.45 | pingouin | asuffield: i throw away ati card |
| 13:56.49 | pingouin | trowed |
| 13:56.53 | nevyn | yaarg: I worked for 3 years in a organisation distributing free gnu/linux systems to underprivilaged individuals and organisations |
| 13:56.54 | asuffield | I don't think they've made any video cards powerful enough to run doom3 yet |
| 13:56.57 | stouset | honschu: I simply think the facilities don't exist to query the last time a device was used. |
| 13:57.03 | pingouin | too painfull for result under 0 |
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| 13:57.14 | yaarg | nevyn: sounds crappy |
| 13:57.14 | honschu | I can open /dev/js0 and look for bytes in the background? |
| 13:57.18 | nevyn | yaarg: I've co-developed a debian cache. |
| 13:57.18 | yaarg | not very interesting... |
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| 13:57.29 | greycat | DeeJayTwo: is this WOODY or SARGE? |
| 13:57.33 | pingouin | i switched nvidia ;) pleasure to install drivers that works and followed by dev |
| 13:57.40 | pingouin | even if it evil |
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| 13:57.51 | asuffield | I'd rather have drivers that don't crash all the time and have more than one developer |
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| 13:57.52 | pingouin | i also have a phillips webcam ;) |
| 13:57.54 | pingouin | ;D |
| 13:58.01 | pingouin | !shoot pingouin |
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| 13:58.14 | tralala | !win pingouin |
| 13:58.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, pingouin! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 13:58.21 | jcollins | sep: any other ideas? |
| 13:58.37 | paulproteus | Wow, module-assistant is nice. |
| 13:58.38 | pingouin | !lart me |
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| 13:59.00 | pingouin | computing is very complicated |
| 13:59.02 | pingouin | :/ |
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| 13:59.43 | tralala | paulproteus: oh, yeah - this is how I felt when I discovered it |
| 13:59.50 | sep | jcollins, your sure the superblock is right on the drive that you have to manually add. |
| 13:59.58 | sep | jcollins, not much that pop's to mind |
| 14:00.13 | sep | jcollins, it's not a drive that spins up too slow ? |
| 14:00.22 | paulproteus | It's so easy to just check all the boxes. I kinda want to, for completeness' sake. |
| 14:00.22 | jcollins | sep: not /entirely/ sure on the superblock |
| 14:00.27 | tralala | pingouin: you know that your philips webcam driver is about to be removed from the official kernel tree? |
| 14:00.33 | sep | jcollins, but i guess the grub boot menu should be delay enoughf |
| 14:00.40 | jcollins | sep: it's hda, the drive it's booting from |
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| 14:01.10 | pingouin | tralala: it's life |
| 14:01.12 | jcollins | the root array device is made up of hda7 and hdc7, after boot only hdc7 is part of it |
| 14:01.23 | pingouin | tralala: i'll buy a windows XP sp 2 with drm to use my webcam ;=) |
| 14:01.26 | pingouin | tralala: nice :D |
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| 14:02.05 | tralala | pingouin: better wait for the vista to come out. You'll have the chance to buy a new monitor with it as well. |
| 14:02.29 | pingouin | tralala: naaa i'll keep for ever my 2.4.x ;) |
| 14:02.35 | sep | jcollins, i have a separate raid1 for the /boot partition, but i dont know if that would make any difference or not |
| 14:02.39 | pingouin | tralala: that work with my cam ;) |
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| 14:02.40 | nevyn | yaarg: regardless of my contributions or yours my claim is that by running non-free drivers you compramise the integrity of your system both for you and for your participation in the wider community. The whole "the nvidia binary drivers are good enough" thing pisses me off where would we be today if rms thought that xerox's printer that printed straight lines was good enough. or if linux thought that minix was good enough or if ia |
| 14:02.58 | jcollins | sep: I do too, made of hda1 and hdc1 |
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| 14:03.03 | pingouin | tralala: or i'll stop computing one day , go back digging earth |
| 14:03.06 | jcollins | it's intact after the boot |
| 14:03.14 | pingouin | tralala: and plants flowers that's a better world ;) |
| 14:03.18 | jcollins | only the root array is degraded, the other 3 are fine |
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| 14:03.27 | sep | jcollins, wipe tha partition and set it up again with superblock and everything ? |
| 14:03.42 | nevyn | maybe it's just because two of my friends that I deal with IRL hack on X tho ;) |
| 14:03.44 | jcollins | sep: how do I ensure the superblock is good? |
| 14:03.51 | pingouin | tralala: making bread with wood oven and making kids also ;) |
| 14:03.54 | tralala | pingouin: oh yeah, just make sure to plant trees, not flowers |
| 14:04.09 | pingouin | tralala: i rather weed to be honest ;) |
| 14:04.18 | pingouin | tralala: jimson weed, as know datura ;) |
| 14:04.20 | yaarg | nevyn: as somebody that actually does stuff(tm), stuff actually working is more valuable than "moral issues" |
| 14:04.45 | sep | jcollins, i just wipe it with dd or cat, and add it to the array again |
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| 14:05.43 | tralala | yaarg: yeah, when the stuff *is* actually working which is not the case with closed source crap |
| 14:06.05 | nevyn | yaarg: then you're in the wrong channel using the wrong distro ;) |
| 14:06.07 | jcollins | sep: mdadm -E seems to indicate that the UUID is correct between the two |
| 14:06.36 | epilido | trying to get deb sarge to boot from usb. when i zcat the image the usb stick is limited to 128 due to the filesystem. cannot seem to get the full usb space tried the mkdosfs then syslinux and cannot get a bootable image. |
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| 14:06.41 | sep | jcollins, well as i said not much i can think of except the bootloader using hd instead of md, as you said it didn't |
| 14:06.52 | yaarg | tralala: hrm, my nvidia drivers let me play quake and use three monitors simultatenously for work/development - they do work |
| 14:07.15 | nevyn | yaarg: your nvidia drivers? you own them? |
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| 14:07.34 | xerophyte | i am trying to build customer kernel and getting error saying drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c:33:19: gamma.h: No such file or directory ??? |
| 14:07.37 | jcollins | sep: what do your grub entries look like? |
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| 14:08.02 | tralala | yaarg: playing quake and using a few monitors doesn't quite cover the whole functionality of a modern GPU |
| 14:08.04 | jcollins | mine, kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.11-1-386 root=/dev/md2 ro |
| 14:08.12 | sep | jcollins, in msg |
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| 14:08.35 | yaarg | tralala: erm you evaluate work based on your need... |
| 14:08.45 | jaimeandres | hello, well, i install debian in my computer, but i can't configure it because it don recognize the keyword. |
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| 14:08.55 | nevyn | yaarg: you've verified (by reading the source) that they do what youwant them to do.? and don't say for example send random screenshots to nvidia ? you can for example apply the gpu to solving large parallel problems when you're not in front of your machine? |
| 14:09.17 | qronik | keyword? |
| 14:10.27 | yaarg | nevyn: i verify my fridge works by how it cools things inside, i don't need to look at how it was made |
| 14:10.39 | yaarg | nevyn: it's not like you look at the source for every software package you use anyway |
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| 14:11.06 | nevyn | yaarg: but.. by examination.. you can determine that the fridge doesn't vent R12 into the atmosphere. |
| 14:11.13 | tralala | yaarg: when you declare the driver cool and working based on your own limited experience you're basically saying nothing |
| 14:11.28 | tarzeau | i can not believe. nobody has packaged g95.org for debian yet? |
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| 14:11.59 | Akbar | is there no kernel-source-2.6.12 in unstable? |
| 14:12.04 | tralala | tarzeau: now is the moment to put your name in the history |
| 14:12.05 | nevyn | yaarg: no but I have a reasonable level of trust in the maintainers developers and users of free software so I don't have to. |
| 14:12.14 | nevyn | I don't have that trust in Nvidia or ATI |
| 14:12.14 | jcollins | sep: I know this'll sound stupid, but I'm not sure how to access the msg under irssi |
| 14:12.41 | Phated | jcollins: alt+number, where number is the window your /msg is in. |
| 14:12.44 | petemc | jcollins: you can access other windows with alt + window number |
| 14:12.47 | nevyn | in particular I don't trust them not to cut corners to win benchmarks that may expose me to unnessicary risk |
| 14:12.53 | tarzeau | tralala: with Fortran? |
| 14:13.08 | jcollins | Phated: I thought so but that doesn't seem to work here |
| 14:13.12 | tralala | tarzeau: why not? |
| 14:13.19 | Phated | jcollins: Define doesn't work. |
| 14:13.23 | jcollins | it just gives ALT+1=± |
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| 14:13.28 | nevyn | yaarg: would you run a binary only storage driver?.. I've been bitten by these |
| 14:13.29 | tarzeau | tralala: i will test this stuff thouroughly first |
| 14:13.33 | Akbar | man I think I'm going to ubuntu |
| 14:13.37 | jcollins | ALT+3=³ |
| 14:13.42 | yaarg | nevyn: you're asking plenty of questions but not giving any solutions |
| 14:13.57 | yaarg | nevyn: what if i want to use 3d acceleration right now? |
| 14:14.01 | tralala | jcollins: /window goto 3 |
| 14:14.15 | tarzeau | jcollins: xterm or aterm? |
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| 14:14.23 | tarzeau | jcollins: try this www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/dotXresources |
| 14:14.24 | petemc | yaarg: i think your best bet would be to use what suits you best, and not get into arguments with ethically minded individuals :) |
| 14:14.33 | stew | Akbar: linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 14:14.35 | nevyn | petemc: heh ;) |
| 14:14.43 | yaarg | petemc: yeah sounds about right |
| 14:14.52 | jcollins | tarzeau: xterm, and thank you |
| 14:15.06 | nevyn | it's different once you've been burned by binary drivers on linux. |
| 14:15.13 | Akbar | aah |
| 14:15.17 | nevyn | it'll happen to all of you eventually |
| 14:15.21 | stew | Akbar: kernel-source / kernel-headers / kernel-image have been renamed to linux-* |
| 14:15.34 | Akbar | okay |
| 14:15.35 | Akbar | thanks |
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| 14:16.03 | nevyn | adaptec 1610 sata "raid" card |
| 14:16.06 | tarzeau | jcollins: does home/end work in less for you? |
| 14:16.07 | tralala | it's particullary stupid to use nvidia+their_binary_crap if you have the option of using ati+an_open_driver |
| 14:16.29 | greycat | netman1: if you're still here, perhaps you should join #bash... or at least pastebin the *actual* script, so we can advise. |
| 14:16.30 | stew | jeez we are still talking about video card drivers? |
| 14:16.31 | petemc | tralala: is performance comparable? |
| 14:16.35 | jcollins | tarzeau: yes |
| 14:16.39 | tarzeau | where would i find libbackend.a ? |
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| 14:16.46 | nevyn | tralala: if you make the choice that's great. but advising people to buy nvidia is just stupid |
| 14:16.47 | PerfDave | tralala: Though if you actually want to play 3D games, then you'd be using a closed driver no matter what card you had. |
| 14:16.52 | stouset | tralala: Why is that? The Nvidia binary driver is better than the ATI open driver, from my own personal use. |
| 14:17.18 | nevyn | it says. it's ok vendors you can shove whatever cock like object down our throats and we'll just swallow |
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| 14:17.55 | PerfDave | nevyn: Nah, that's ndiswrapper ;) |
| 14:17.56 | tralala | PerfDave: I'm playing torcs with xfree radeon |
| 14:18.06 | PerfDave | tralala: torcs? |
| 14:18.15 | tralala | a car racing |
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| 14:18.21 | PerfDave | Never heard of it. |
| 14:18.22 | drac | PerfDave: I'm playing UT2004 with X.org + radeon driver.. :) |
| 14:18.29 | PerfDave | drac: Creaky! |
| 14:18.38 | greycat | I'm playing ToME with X. |
| 14:19.02 | stew | i get 60 fps with an open source driver when i'm playing angband |
| 14:19.04 | nevyn | which everyone should go install and learn so that we can build a online tourney |
| 14:19.06 | stew | who friggen cares |
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| 14:19.31 | tralala | stouset: because you want to encourage the most open manifacturer for your own good when you have the option |
| 14:19.46 | PerfDave | I'd be interested to see something like glxgears info for the closest nVidia and ATI cards to $100 or whatever, with both closed and Free drivers. |
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| 14:20.11 | PerfDave | I'm guessing it'd be something like nVidia binary > ATI binary >> ATI open >> nVidia open |
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| 14:20.20 | nevyn | PerfDave: $100 US? |
| 14:20.34 | greycat | PerfDave: I'd be more interested in seeing "So you bought a 3D video card and you want to use it in Debian? Here's what you need to do." |
| 14:20.41 | PerfDave | nevyn: Pick a fiscal measuring point, any fiscal measurement point. |
| 14:20.44 | PerfDave | greycat: /msg dpkg nvidia ;) |
| 14:20.52 | greycat | PerfDave: every time I turn around there's *another* level of complexity I didn't know about. |
| 14:20.58 | nevyn | PerfDave: on the low end I think the radeon's gonna kick ass. |
| 14:21.06 | tralala | petemc: it doesn't have to be comparable in all the cases - in my particalar case it has to merely be enough (which it is) |
| 14:21.12 | Ungy | is ther eanother graphical ftp client other then gftp? |
| 14:21.28 | PerfDave | greycat: The nVidia installation routine has been pretty constant since module-assistant came out. |
| 14:21.28 | nevyn | say R9250 vs Geforce4mx or something |
| 14:21.37 | petemc | tralala: and mine too, but different people have different expectations, and i think you have to respect that |
| 14:21.47 | jcollins | greycat: and very simple, m-a a-i nvidia-kernel |
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| 14:21.59 | paulproteus | Okay, bye all. Just wanted to say how awesome module-assistant is. :) |
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| 14:22.10 | nevyn | PerfDave: including X benchmarks ;) |
| 14:22.15 | tralala | petemc: this is why I say "when you have the option" |
| 14:22.44 | stouset | tralala: ATI releases their drivers open? |
| 14:22.44 | Rawplayer | PerfDave: i still have 2mb sis pci cards |
| 14:22.45 | jcollins | PerfDave: GF4 MX should still play most everything |
| 14:22.46 | nevyn | PerfDave: gotta remember the mx is kinda crap. |
| 14:22.47 | tarzeau | tralala: i can't build it. configure: error: libbackend.a not found |
| 14:22.49 | Guerin | win32.c:3009:2: warning: #warning FIXME! # from compile output |
| 14:22.54 | Guerin | too late for that, I fear |
| 14:22.58 | stouset | tralala: I had always been under the impression that the drivers were done by a third party. |
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| 14:23.16 | PerfDave | nevyn: Yeah, it's kind of crap, but it's hardly low-end. Plays Doom 3 and UT2k4 tolerably well :) |
| 14:23.37 | nevyn | so does a radeon 9250 |
| 14:23.40 | Guerin | oh dear |
| 14:23.45 | Guerin | segfaults while building |
| 14:23.48 | Guerin | :( |
| 14:23.49 | tralala | stouset: no, but there *are* open drivers for their cards *with* 3D and xvideo support |
| 14:23.56 | eXistenZ | Does anyone know a good package for realplayer, the package for merillat is quite bugged here |
| 14:24.07 | PerfDave | nevyn: I didn't say that it didn't. I'm just saying that a card which plays Doom 3 and UT2k4 isn't really "low end" ;) |
| 14:24.19 | tralala | tarzeau: the first hint that there must be a reason for the missing package |
| 14:24.27 | jcollins | grrr, the superblock on hda7 clearly indicates it's part of the array, yet it's not added at boot |
| 14:24.32 | nevyn | PerfDave: a R9250 is $90ish australian |
| 14:24.33 | stouset | tralala: Well, that doesn't help me =P |
| 14:24.39 | nevyn | so about $50 US |
| 14:24.44 | tralala | stouset: that's a pity |
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| 14:25.10 | veleno | is the "slash attack" a known vulnerability of the Flash web server ? |
| 14:25.51 | tralala | PerfDave: I run your benchmarks on my 9250 (including under amd64 sarge) |
| 14:25.55 | tralala | I can |
| 14:26.29 | nevyn | tralala: need the same system.. just different cards |
| 14:26.39 | Techdeck | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/YYLXvg80.html |
| 14:26.44 | Techdeck | any thoughts anyone? |
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| 14:26.57 | stouset | tralala: Indeed. |
| 14:27.05 | tarzeau | tralala: it's created when you build gcc |
| 14:27.43 | Guerin | is it a good or a bad sign when a program segfaults sometimes but not other times? |
| 14:27.46 | rking | Techdeck: are you doing anything weird that you know of? |
| 14:27.48 | tralala | time to go now, take care! |
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| 14:27.57 | Techdeck | rking, a couple. |
| 14:28.10 | Techdeck | rking, first, its kde 3.4.0 and not 3.4.2 |
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| 14:28.21 | gourdin | hi there |
| 14:28.21 | jcollins | sep: I've zero'd the superblock and am readding the partition, we'll see |
| 14:28.28 | Techdeck | rking, also I use konstruct to build it because debian seems to unlike kde in a lot of ways |
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| 14:28.34 | noloK | hi |
| 14:28.41 | yaarg | tralala: there's a free nvidia driver too fyi, although for 3d acceleration like ATI you need the closed source driver |
| 14:28.41 | Techdeck | and on top of that, I use a package manager of my own to run konstruct |
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| 14:28.47 | gourdin | pcmciautils doesn't exist on debian ? |
| 14:28.48 | Techdeck | but except that it should work |
| 14:29.01 | noloK | it seems that i haven't QT and therefore i can't run xconfig on the kernel |
| 14:29.12 | noloK | which version of QT to install? there are 3 and 4 |
| 14:29.25 | Guerin | !make menuconfig |
| 14:29.25 | dpkg | If make menuconfig doesn't work because it says ncurses isn't installed, but ncurses is installed, you need to do 'apt-get install libncurses5-dev' |
| 14:29.30 | Guerin | don't use xconfig |
| 14:29.32 | Guerin | BAD |
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| 14:29.38 | gourdin | !pcmciautils |
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| 14:29.47 | rking | Techdeck: hrm... well, do you have a working compilation of kde on any version? |
| 14:29.48 | nevyn | Guerin: I think it's fixed now. |
| 14:30.01 | noloK | who is a bad? |
| 14:30.02 | Techdeck | rking, the exact same version works on another distro |
| 14:30.02 | Guerin | nevyn: minimal force principle |
| 14:30.05 | noloK | i ask for the QT |
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| 14:30.11 | Guerin | noloK: xconfig is a bad |
| 14:30.15 | rking | Techdeck: ok, do you have access to that other distro? |
| 14:30.16 | Techdeck | rking, a distro that is pretty close to LFS, so I'm kinda disappointed from deb |
| 14:30.19 | Techdeck | rking, nope. |
| 14:30.30 | noloK | Guerin why that? |
| 14:30.33 | nevyn | Guerin: configuring the kernel is complicated having a rich ui for doing this task is not entirely a bad thing |
| 14:30.33 | Guerin | noloK: install libncurses5-dev and use menuconfig |
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| 14:30.46 | greycat | nevyn: yes it is! it makes them think they have a clue, when they DON'T! |
| 14:30.54 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 14:30.55 | Guerin | xconfig is commonly broken |
| 14:31.01 | bibe | hi lgd_ |
| 14:31.05 | nevyn | greycat: and how does menuconfig fix this? |
| 14:31.06 | lgd_ | i have got resolv my problem |
| 14:31.06 | Guerin | and for a while at least was known to Fuck Shit Up |
| 14:31.20 | nevyn | Guerin: like I said it's fixed now I'm pretty sure |
| 14:31.21 | greycat | nevyn: at least they get to suffer half as much as they make me suffer when they come here and whine |
| 14:31.25 | stew | noloK: apt-cache show kernel-source-2.6.11 or whichever, it should be in the Suggests: line |
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| 14:31.34 | yaarg | vi .config |
| 14:31.47 | lgd_ | with upgrade of gnome-core, gnome has change the configuration of keyboard |
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| 14:31.53 | greycat | nevyn: anyway, did I say "you should use menuconfig"? No. I didn't say anything at all, not even "Make the pain stop... please... make it stop." Or "!debian kernel image". |
| 14:31.56 | bibe | nevyn : make menuconfig is _much_ more stable, and essentially provides the very identical thing |
| 14:31.58 | lgd_ | from 105 at 102 |
| 14:31.59 | lgd_ | =) |
| 14:32.12 | noloK | stew thanks |
| 14:32.13 | lgd_ | with dpkg-reconfigure i have resolt |
| 14:32.24 | lgd_ | thank all by |
| 14:32.25 | nevyn | bibe: sure. I just don't think xconfig is the evil that everyone makes it out to be. |
| 14:32.27 | lgd_ | bay |
| 14:33.06 | Guerin | nevyn: doesn't mean it won't break again soon |
| 14:33.08 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 14:33.08 | dpkg | < RichiH> stable is for masochist fetishists with serverphobia ;) |
| 14:33.12 | nevyn | (admittedly when I last ran into keith owens he sitll recommended menuconfig) |
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| 14:33.22 | nevyn | but that was 6+months ago |
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| 14:33.26 | Guerin | ah hurrah |
| 14:33.42 | Guerin | mplayer from marillat won't build against svn x264 |
| 14:33.51 | bibe | nevyn : i think this _evil_ is only reinventing the wheel: there's no urgent need to make the same thing in a more goodlooking manner |
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| 14:34.03 | Guerin | let's play the "try to blindly match the APIs" game! |
| 14:34.29 | gourdin | anyone knows if I need pcmciautils ? |
| 14:34.29 | rking | Techdeck: apt-get install exuberant-ctags; then from the top of your kde dir, do: ctags -R .; vim -t SmcGetIceConnection; I'm trying to figure out where that stuff is defined.. it doesn't look like it's linking against many other lib's |
| 14:34.41 | nevyn | bibe: people underestimate pretty imo |
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| 14:35.05 | Guerin | nevyn: who's people? |
| 14:35.07 | nevyn | bibe: look at macos. it's completly unfreaking usable. but it's very pretty. |
| 14:35.22 | nevyn | and some people find that tradeoff acceptable. |
| 14:35.27 | Techdeck | rking, one sec |
| 14:35.33 | petemc | nevyn: your really swinging at the fences today, arent you |
| 14:35.39 | nevyn | Guerin: free software people mostly |
| 14:35.49 | nevyn | petemc: shhhh |
| 14:35.51 | rking | nevyn: can you give an example(s) of macos being unusable? i have people that swear by it that i constantly have to convince that i'm /not/ going to be buying a mac any time soon |
| 14:35.55 | Guerin | nevyn: ah, people who Actually Get Things Done? |
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| 14:36.01 | petemc | gah, s/your/you're/ |
| 14:36.14 | PerfDave | To be fair, MacOS classic was nice and usable, it's just OS X that's a steaming pile of shit. |
| 14:36.23 | nevyn | PerfDave: agreed |
| 14:36.30 | petemc | ... |
| 14:36.35 | Techdeck | rking, E426: tag not found: SmcGetIceConnection |
| 14:36.41 | greycat | bibe: other problems with xconfig: 1) <newbie> Help me I run the xconfig and it no QT!!!! 2) Most people still config their kernels as root, and you don't want to run X clients as root. |
| 14:37.00 | nevyn | greycat: hrm do people still do that. |
| 14:37.03 | xoz | PerfDave: have you ever used MacOS before you make that judgement? |
| 14:37.07 | bibe | nevyn : i think pretty is well for a task one uses very often, such as... a computer (and not a kernel configuration). I think macos users use macos much more often than you and I configure a kernel. And i think mac os is very usable |
| 14:37.11 | PerfDave | xoz: Yes |
| 14:37.19 | nevyn | hrm. I did that when I was new.. I suppose it's understandable |
| 14:37.22 | rking | Techdeck: ok, then it /is/ expecting that to come from one of the lib's... just for fun, try the vim -t with IceFlush and SmcRequestSaveYourself |
| 14:37.22 | xoz | PerfDave: OS X? how long? |
| 14:37.23 | bibe | greycat : sure |
| 14:37.35 | Techdeck | one sec |
| 14:37.38 | PerfDave | xoz: I supported Macs in a previous job, both OS X and Classic, for about two years. |
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| 14:37.51 | nevyn | bibe: there are things about the ui which really suck in OS X |
| 14:37.53 | Guerin | let's see how mplayer cvs builds against x264 svn ... |
| 14:37.55 | xoz | PerfDave: what's really bad with OS X? |
| 14:38.13 | Techdeck | got one rking |
| 14:38.15 | Techdeck | rking, #define IceFlush KDE_IceFlush |
| 14:38.16 | nevyn | bibe: there are some good things (expose`) |
| 14:38.22 | r3v | xoz: I hate OS X. I used it for a year in labs. It crashed all the time. |
| 14:38.32 | PerfDave | xoz: Mostly, the way it's completely counterintuitive, throws every half-decent metaphor that Classic had out of the Windows, and just takes too long to get anything done. |
| 14:38.50 | rking | Techdeck: ok, well, look above that line, and see if there are any #IFDEF's that look like they would explain why that #define is not getting called. |
| 14:38.54 | xoz | PerfDave: well, i disagree. is it strange to disagree? |
| 14:38.59 | Techdeck | one sec |
| 14:39.02 | Guerin | yes |
| 14:39.04 | DoppelGanger | yes |
| 14:39.05 | bibe | nevyn : i once owned an iMac, mac os x was different from kde or gnome but, imho, very usable |
| 14:39.07 | PerfDave | xoz: On #debian, it happens all the time :) |
| 14:39.08 | Guerin | disagreement will not be tolerated |
| 14:39.13 | nevyn | PerfDave: you learn to hate that spinning collored disk? |
| 14:39.14 | xoz | PerfDave: heh |
| 14:39.19 | PerfDave | xoz: I reserve the right to think you're a loony ;p |
| 14:39.23 | nevyn | bibe: modal dialogs. |
| 14:39.26 | Techdeck | nope, its not inside an if statement, rking |
| 14:39.29 | xoz | PerfDave: the feeling is mutual |
| 14:39.30 | Guerin | xoz: i was in tokyo the other week... man, is it ever expensive there |
| 14:39.43 | nevyn | bibe: try using it without an internet connection |
| 14:40.04 | nevyn | bibe: system modal dialogs |
| 14:40.08 | xoz | Guerin: you should know the place where to shop. have you visited akihabara? |
| 14:40.17 | Guerin | xoz: but it was the right place to be if I wanted to spend $1000 on a scale model ice runner thingy from episode 3 |
| 14:40.21 | rking | Techdeck: what version of libsm-dev do you have? |
| 14:40.37 | Guerin | xoz: didn't have time, was travelling with others who had Needs. |
| 14:40.41 | PerfDave | xoz: And even if I *did* like OS X, I'd still not use it, because Apple are a bunch of cunts and I don't want to give them my money. Plus it still wouldn't be as intuitive and easy to use as KDE :) |
| 14:40.44 | nevyn | bibe: how long did you use it for. |
| 14:40.48 | Techdeck | rking, 6.8.2.dfsg.1-5 |
| 14:40.59 | xoz | Guerin: there are pirated underground shops if you know where to locate them :) |
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| 14:41.16 | eXistenZ | I got samba installed here, but I cannot see it in the control panel, what might be the problem here? |
| 14:41.19 | Guerin | xoz: heh. Is hardware cheap there? I heard it was expensive... |
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| 14:41.48 | xoz | PerfDave: i think you are just biased by the fact that it is not really free. |
| 14:41.48 | rking | Techdeck: i wonder if you should use an older version, if you're building an older version of KDE? |
| 14:42.15 | PerfDave | xoz: If that were the case, I'd be slagging off MacOS Classic too, and I don't. |
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| 14:42.38 | xoz | Guerin: hardware change fast such that if you are not looking for the top end scale, you can have a very good price. |
| 14:42.57 | bibe | nevyn : using it without an internet connection, for my point of view, was programming in PHP. I did it on the iMac for six months, then I moved to another city for working on Linux systems only and I sold the iMac |
| 14:43.02 | Guerin | xoz: ah, interesting... similar to some things in korea. |
| 14:43.05 | xoz | PerfDave: i have os 9 and i like os x much better. |
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| 14:43.14 | PerfDave | xoz: Yes, you've already said that you disagree with me. Well done. |
| 14:43.25 | nevyn | bibe: I got jack of it after about 6 weeks. |
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| 14:43.40 | cmihai | God damn GNAA. |
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| 14:43.54 | nevyn | cmihai: what have they done now? |
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| 14:44.07 | cmihai | I just got the latest episode of Naruto (146) |
| 14:44.11 | cmihai | Intro was fine. |
| 14:44.13 | Fuhrer | What it iz, fried chicken? |
| 14:44.24 | cmihai | The rest was "Gay Niggers From Outer Space" - the movie. |
| 14:44.33 | xoz | Guerin: 28" lcd screen are half price now because the standard is getting bigger (37") |
| 14:44.33 | Guerin | cmihai: class |
| 14:44.34 | cmihai | God damn it. I feel so... raped. |
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| 14:44.43 | Fuhrer | cmihai: Yeah, about that... |
| 14:44.54 | Fuhrer | I was in a strange mood that night. |
| 14:44.57 | nevyn | bibe: you didn't need to read any help during your 6 monthswit a macosX box and no internet? |
| 14:44.57 | Guerin | xoz: half of mega shitloads being - shitloads :) |
| 14:44.59 | Fuhrer | Sorry. |
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| 14:45.29 | nevyn | cmihai: it's a great movie. funny as. |
| 14:45.34 | gniretar | anyone know of a public NTP server that supplies Eastern Standard Time? |
| 14:45.45 | petemc | gniretar: what does it matter what time they supply? |
| 14:45.53 | r3v | gniretar: yeah, there is a purdue.edu one |
| 14:45.55 | nevyn | gniretar: no. they all supply GMT |
| 14:46.03 | Guerin | gniretar: none of them do, they only supply UTC |
| 14:46.05 | greycat | gniretar: pool.ntp.org, and it's UTC |
| 14:46.07 | Guerin | not GMT |
| 14:46.10 | cmihai | nevyn, I just spent 2 days downloading Naruto from a .jp server. |
| 14:46.17 | gniretar | petemc: OK, what is the UTC offset for EST? |
| 14:46.21 | nevyn | bleh UTC |
| 14:46.24 | r3v | gniretar: -5 hours |
| 14:46.25 | cmihai | And it's a gay nigger film. Not funny. |
| 14:46.25 | nevyn | gniretar: tzconfig |
| 14:46.27 | Fuhrer | Dunt dunt daaa!! |
| 14:46.28 | Guerin | gniretar: man tzconfig |
| 14:46.31 | greycat | cmihai: try buying it. |
| 14:46.35 | nevyn | cmihai: it is funny. |
| 14:46.37 | petemc | gniretar: you set your timezone correctly, then you dont worry about it |
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| 14:46.43 | greycat | !tell gniretar about set the time |
| 14:46.48 | nevyn | cmihai: like rofl funny |
| 14:46.51 | gniretar | petemc:OK |
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| 14:47.07 | rosco | hi |
| 14:47.11 | Rawplayer | hi |
| 14:47.20 | lakcaj | Hi. I'm having trouble with a dual boot machine. I used cfdisk to create 4 partitions, selecting each to be primary. The first was for Windows XP, the second a 10 gig fat partition to share, the 3rd swap, and the forth for debian. |
| 14:47.30 | cmihai | greycat, where the hell do you buy japonese anime? Sheesh :). It's a free anime anyway. |
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| 14:47.39 | nevyn | the bit where they like zap all the women on earth for subjucating men... maybe it's just cause I'm married ;) |
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| 14:47.47 | Guerin | ... |
| 14:47.55 | greycat | cmihai: so give feedback on that .torrent file and say it's a fake. |
| 14:48.04 | rosco | I have a little problem with my fr_CH keyboard: the pipe (alt gr + 1) as shown on the keyboard doesn't work, but all other "special keys" (acutes) works. someone knows what's wrong ? |
| 14:48.05 | Guerin | see, only mactards get bullied by their wives |
| 14:48.09 | lakcaj | I installed XP first on the first partition, which forced me to delete the partition before it would install to it. I installed NTFS. When I installed debian, it did not autodetect windows. |
| 14:48.15 | Guerin | :) |
| 14:48.16 | gniretar | OK, that is cool i can use tzconfig. How do iget get NTP to automatically start on boot though? |
| 14:48.24 | greycat | !tell gniretar about set the time |
| 14:48.28 | Guerin | gniretar: apt-get install ntpdate |
| 14:48.48 | Guerin | fuckinghell |
| 14:48.52 | nevyn | Guerin: ;) |
| 14:48.54 | gniretar | that sill do it at boot? |
| 14:48.58 | Guerin | STUPID mplayer cvs won't build |
| 14:49.01 | gniretar | will still* |
| 14:49.06 | greycat | Guerin: #mplayer |
| 14:49.10 | lakcaj | I added an entry to menu.lst using the example in the same file, using (hd0,0) but I"m getting a "filesystem type unknown" when I try to boot into XP. |
| 14:49.27 | Guerin | yeh yeh |
| 14:49.31 | petemc | lakcaj: did you set it to chainload? |
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| 14:50.16 | lakcaj | petemc, yes |
| 14:50.42 | petemc | lakcaj: and its definately the first partition? this stuff is usually pretty simple |
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| 14:51.19 | lakcaj | petemc, unless windows did something funny. Maybe I'll cfdisk the drive from linux and make sure windows didn't add any other partitions. |
| 14:51.37 | Ries | [OT] why is the /etc directory called /etc? What is the history of the name? |
| 14:51.55 | greycat | from "et cetera" |
| 14:51.57 | lakcaj | I've dual booted before, but not on this machine, but in the past the linux netinstall CD had picked up the windows partition and automagically made a grub entry |
| 14:52.09 | petemc | Ries: wikipedia is a great resource for useless trivia |
| 14:52.38 | RichiH | tarzeau: i am reading heaps of docs |
| 14:52.39 | Ries | greycat: thank's for the quick answer... |
| 14:52.46 | RichiH | tarzeau: but i will get there, eventually |
| 14:52.54 | jcollins | anyone here have software raid on their root partition working? I'd like to compare configurations |
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| 14:54.42 | lakcaj | petemc, I think that is it. wtf is windows doing, it completely fscked up the partion I left for it. |
| 14:54.53 | lakcaj | petemc, thanks, I'll try changing some grub options, brb |
| 14:54.58 | nevyn | I should sleep.. |
| 14:55.44 | Guerin | lakcaj: give it an inch, it'll take a mile |
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| 14:55.55 | Guerin | give it a foot and it'll think it's a bloody ruler |
| 14:56.31 | qronik | that was extremely witty, Guerin |
| 14:56.35 | qronik | well done. |
| 14:56.40 | Guerin | give it a foot and it'll think it's a bloody ruler |
| 14:56.41 | Techdeck | lol |
| 14:56.42 | Guerin | bah |
| 14:56.46 | Guerin | stupid upkey |
| 14:57.11 | Guerin | yeah, i was trying to remember whether they still make foot rulers nowadays |
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| 14:57.51 | lakcaj | Well, unfortunately I'm still getting the same error. cfdisk displayed windows as having 3 logical partitions, two of which were about a meg in size which surrounded the XP partition. cfdisk showed it as hda5, so I used (hd0,4) in menu.lst |
| 14:57.59 | qronik | not sure, been quite a while since i last purchased rulers in bulk. |
| 14:58.16 | qronik | rulers are the types of things that you never actually buy, they just kind of appear in your desk drawer |
| 14:58.44 | PerfDave | I have a tape measure for clothesmaking purposes, and use DVD cases if I need to draw straight lines ;) |
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| 14:59.49 | omega2005 | hi friends of debian channel, could anyone know a channel to talk about smart cards? |
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| 15:00.34 | jethro | omega2005: /list ? |
| 15:00.43 | lakcaj | Is there a max/min size partition that I can install XP onto? |
| 15:00.51 | PerfDave | lakcaj: Ask #windows? :) |
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| 15:01.01 | omega2005 | jethro list? what do you mean? |
| 15:01.10 | lakcaj | PerfDave, I really don't want to go in there :) |
| 15:01.18 | raiden_ | lakcaj, yes the max space is 0mb |
| 15:01.23 | PerfDave | lakcaj: Well, I don't run Windows ;) |
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| 15:01.33 | nevyn | lakcaj: depends on apps but ~1gb |
| 15:01.37 | lakcaj | This isn't even for me, I never use windows, but my g/f needs it for her accounting course |
| 15:01.59 | lakcaj | what a pita |
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| 15:02.25 | Ungy | lakcaj, if you want xp useable you probably want at least 2Gigs |
| 15:02.29 | jethro | omega2005: type /list in your IRC client, then look at the output |
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| 15:02.56 | omega2005 | ok but there is a lot of information, is there a command like grep? |
| 15:03.07 | petemc | omega2005: /lastlog foo |
| 15:03.09 | greycat | omega2005: /msg chanserv list *mask* |
| 15:03.10 | Techdeck | /list whatever |
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| 15:03.42 | greycat | e.g. /msg chanserv list #debian* |
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| 15:04.15 | lakcaj | I gave XP 14 Gigs, then a 10 Gig vfat share, then a Gig swap, then 15 Gigs for debian |
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| 15:04.25 | ryushe | Hi, I'm looking for a tool which can test the maximum throughput of a network interface, any suggestions? |
| 15:04.27 | petemc | thats a lot of accounting software |
| 15:04.34 | Ungy | lakcaj that is way more then enough |
| 15:04.51 | lakcaj | I figured... I just gave them both about 15 gigs with the 10 gig share |
| 15:05.04 | Ungy | lakcaj did you try to get the software working in linux first ;-) |
| 15:05.05 | qronik | Ungy. that's probably barely a minimum if you plan on doing something like ripping dvdsa |
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| 15:05.24 | lakcaj | Ungy, one thing at a time :) |
| 15:05.27 | Ungy | qronik, he is only using it for accoutnign software |
| 15:05.31 | bob2_sucks | Anyone here use Debian? |
| 15:05.39 | lakcaj | bob2, no |
| 15:05.39 | ryushe | no, we all use freebsd |
| 15:05.40 | jethro | bob2_sucks: no |
| 15:05.40 | qronik | no, we all run redhat and mandrake |
| 15:05.47 | qronik | go to the #freebsd channel for debian help |
| 15:05.47 | jethro | !lart bob2_sucks |
| 15:05.57 | Ungy | bob2_sucks, I run slackware |
| 15:05.57 | sward | I thought everyone used Windows? :o |
| 15:06.13 | gniretar | GTFO |
| 15:06.19 | lakcaj | maybe I'll try to re-install shitblows, and then re-install grub |
| 15:06.23 | gniretar | !GTFO |
| 15:06.24 | dpkg | well, gtfo is get the fsck out |
| 15:06.31 | gniretar | !GTFO |
| 15:06.35 | qronik | haha that's golden |
| 15:06.39 | gniretar | hehe |
| 15:06.41 | PerfDave | lakcaj: Run your accounting software inside Windows inside qemu! :) |
| 15:06.49 | Ungy | lakcaj that is the order you want but I suggest making a boot disk before reinstalling shitblows |
| 15:06.55 | lakcaj | the lappy is way too slow, with only 256 megs ram |
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| 15:07.52 | wers | the install Cd:s (often) include a rescuekernel that u can boot of if windows installer rewrites your MBR during install.. |
| 15:07.57 | lakcaj | Ungy, I have a knoppix cd handy |
| 15:08.10 | Ungy | ah ok then have fun |
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| 15:08.20 | lakcaj | I don't call this fun, but thanks ;) |
| 15:08.24 | jan_ | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 15:08.24 | jan_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:08.26 | jan_ | hm, that's not funny :( |
| 15:08.38 | Ungy | lakcaj, make a game of it try to get it to work right first try |
| 15:08.42 | jethro | jan_: sid? |
| 15:08.45 | jan_ | yea |
| 15:08.49 | jan_ | testing/unstable stuff |
| 15:08.53 | jethro | !pal jan_ |
| 15:09.02 | jan_ | sure |
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| 15:09.17 | Ungy | jan_ why is it tryign to remove that? |
| 15:09.31 | jan_ | Ungy: wish i knew :) |
| 15:09.45 | lord_rob | aptitude displays a line like this one : "u U eclipse-jdt -15,3MB 2.1.3-4 3.1-7". What does the big "U" mean ? Untrusted source ? Downloading this package from an unofficial repository |
| 15:09.50 | jan_ | php4-imagick probably because of php5 |
| 15:10.27 | lakcaj | Ungy, or I could time myself, see how long it takes to get everything working, and then reformat and see if I can break my record. |
| 15:10.52 | Ungy | lakcaj now your talking |
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| 15:11.19 | jan_ | Ungy: and mysql-client-4.1 is going to be installed as NEW, but what happens to my server then :) |
| 15:11.26 | Ungy | wow a lot of realeases to kde made since yesterday on sid |
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| 15:12.53 | Ungy | jan_ your data files shoudl remain there shouldn't be a problem really but you never know if your running sid you really shoudln't be hosting yoru databse on it at least that is my personal experience |
| 15:13.18 | qronik | dude, what's with all the nick changes |
| 15:13.29 | Ungy | is this _sucks guy trying to troll or what? |
| 15:13.37 | greycat | clearly. |
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| 15:14.00 | jan_ | Ungy: well, some packages in stable dont have the things I want |
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| 15:14.09 | circe | Good. |
| 15:14.11 | Ungy | jan_ which are? |
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| 15:14.38 | jan_ | recent packages ;) |
| 15:14.40 | PerfDave | jan_: You can always backport, it's less risky than running sid. But it's your funeral, so I'm not going to lecture ;) |
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| 15:15.03 | PerfDave | jan_: Though if it's "recent packages" you want, have you considered running Gentoo? :) |
| 15:15.04 | Ungy | jan_ yeah backporting is proabbly better |
| 15:15.06 | gniretar | Are ther any open source apps that will let me run Windows on Linux? I want a virtual machine, not just somthing like WINE. |
| 15:15.13 | petemc | gniretar: qemu |
| 15:15.15 | PerfDave | gniretar: qemu, bochs |
| 15:15.30 | jan_ | i'm hosting a student server, and if i use stable, i get complaints, hey, i want to script in php5, and I want this new thing,and this and this .. |
| 15:15.37 | wers | gniretar find vmware |
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| 15:15.48 | jan_ | PerfDave: no way i'm going to use gentoo |
| 15:15.51 | PerfDave | jan_: I'll bet you get complaints when your system hoses itself ;) |
| 15:16.00 | Ungy | jan_ try Ubuntu |
| 15:16.39 | jan_ | isn't ubuntu for desktops? :) |
| 15:16.39 | gniretar | wers: I know about VMware, i wanted somthing free |
| 15:16.39 | qronik | jan_. why don't you like gentoo, you don't want to compile _everything_ from source? |
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| 15:16.40 | PerfDave | jan_: There's no reason why you can't run PHP5 on stable. |
| 15:16.40 | qronik | i mean come on, it's very efficient |
| 15:16.43 | jan_ | qronik: i dont have that time .. |
| 15:16.45 | aalex | Q: How can I install an experimental package on my stable Debian ? |
| 15:16.47 | qronik | nor do i |
| 15:16.56 | r3v | gniretar: qemu? |
| 15:16.59 | qronik | gentoo took two days to do a stage 1 install on my other desktop |
| 15:17.01 | Ungy | aalex backport? |
| 15:17.06 | jan_ | qronik: why should i switch to something else? |
| 15:17.07 | qronik | and even then it was a barebones system |
| 15:17.07 | wers | gniretar ,, theres a 30 day trial on their site and you COULD find a cracked version on isohunt.com for example. |
| 15:17.18 | PerfDave | wers: Let's not encourage piracy, eh? |
| 15:17.23 | aalex | Ungy, hmm, looking what that is... |
| 15:17.35 | wers | PerfDave Im not.. im just saying what COUKLD be done |
| 15:17.36 | qronik | i ran gentoo for about 24 hours, then installed sarge again |
| 15:17.38 | wers | Could even. |
| 15:17.39 | jethro | qronik: yes, but you could see emoticons while it was installing, and that's the whole point in using gentard^H^H^Hoo |
| 15:17.45 | qronik | haha |
| 15:17.53 | PerfDave | wers: Riiiiight. |
| 15:18.10 | wers | PerfDave .. im realy just trying to help.. sry .. |
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| 15:19.09 | PerfDave | !ops PolarWolf_sucks nickchange spamming |
| 15:19.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: PolarWolf_sucks nickchange spamming |
| 15:19.19 | jethro | qronik: I'm not kidding, most system commands will display emoticons! imagine : "bash: command not found :'(" (ok that's not true for bash, you can get "device is busy :(") |
| 15:19.21 | PerfDave | wers: I don't think that advocating piracy is very helpful. |
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| 15:19.36 | qronik | i know jethro, it's cute, isn't it? |
| 15:19.43 | Supaplex | maybe in cuba ;) |
| 15:19.50 | aalex | Ungy, thanks, but its not there |
| 15:19.52 | wallace | hi, I'd like to substitute a sting with another sting in many files: is there an easy way to do it by shell? |
| 15:19.56 | qronik | i like the ;-) thing that you see 140 times, every time you compile one app |
| 15:20.04 | PerfDave | wallace: Assuming you mean "string", sed or perl. |
| 15:20.22 | wers | PerfDave ,well I wasnt "advocating" anything. But ok..I get your point. |
| 15:20.44 | jethro | qronik: I'd say it's childish, not cute. anyway, I offered a patch to get rid of most emoticons, but even the idea was not tolerated by gentoo developpers |
| 15:21.04 | qronik | hah |
| 15:21.07 | qronik | does not surprise me |
| 15:21.13 | jethro | qronik: that's why I ended up no longer giving gentoo a try |
| 15:21.19 | wallace | PerfDave: I mean string for python scripts |
| 15:21.23 | qronik | the users in the #gentoo channel on this very network were another reason why i came back to debian |
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| 15:21.46 | jethro | qronik: that's also true. when I complained about the emoticons, they told me to use a real OS, aka windows |
| 15:22.08 | qronik | hah <- ! |
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| 15:26.11 | _joey | how do I check when was last login on a host ? |
| 15:26.22 | RichiH | greycat: 23 Aug 17:25:53 ntpdate[4913]: step time server 62.3.200.116 offset -120670.575298 sec |
| 15:26.25 | petemc | _joey: last |
| 15:26.27 | Slippy | _joey: last bla |
| 15:26.32 | RichiH | greycat: i hate mny laptop's clock.. |
| 15:26.41 | greycat | RichiH: yay! go go motherboard! |
| 15:26.48 | RichiH | indeed :p |
| 15:26.51 | Quag7 | My clock keeps skewing like that all of a sudden too but on my desktop. |
| 15:26.54 | RichiH | the rest is fine, thogh |
| 15:27.02 | Quag7 | I cannot figure out the issue...Never did that before. |
| 15:27.07 | RichiH | it's just that my clock is crapalicious |
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| 15:27.53 | qronik | try setting your clock to "local" ? |
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| 15:27.53 | _joey | that's funny |
| 15:27.54 | Quag7 | Thought I did that... |
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| 15:28.07 | cahoot | Quag7: apic enabled? |
| 15:28.11 | redguy | can anyone tell me when do I need CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y in the kernel? |
| 15:28.16 | greycat | Quag7: install ntp and pray. |
| 15:28.16 | Quag7 | cahoot, yes |
| 15:28.19 | Quag7 | I did. |
| 15:28.25 | Quag7 | I have ntp working, it is just working very hard. |
| 15:28.28 | _joey | a linux host is on my wireless network shows that I am login from access point |
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| 15:28.33 | greycat | redguy: press ? on the option and read the help. |
| 15:28.34 | P8ntKid | Whats the comand for taking a screenshot? |
| 15:28.36 | _joey | but I am not :) |
| 15:28.39 | greycat | !screen shot |
| 15:28.39 | dpkg | screenshot is probably 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 15:28.44 | Quag7 | redguy, do you have more than 4 gigs of RAM/ |
| 15:29.00 | Quag7 | How do I set clock to localtime anyway? |
| 15:29.09 | Quag7 | I remember doing that at some point in the install |
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| 15:29.17 | fatal_ | !date |
| 15:29.17 | dpkg | The current date is Tue Aug 23 15:29:17 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 15:29.51 | fatal_ | Quag7: /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 15:29.54 | fatal_ | Quag7: date -s |
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| 15:30.12 | Quag7 | Thanks...yeah it's set now. |
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| 15:30.31 | fatal_ | err... /etc/default/rcS |
| 15:30.42 | redguy | Quag7: more than 4 Gigs or 1 Gig? I've read http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450/7217 and I got really confused :/ |
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| 15:30.59 | P8ntKid | !screenshot |
| 15:30.59 | dpkg | screenshot is, like, 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
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| 15:31.52 | calyth | is ther a way to make dpkg tell me where the configuration files are store for a particular package? strangely dpkg -L samba and dpkg -L samba-common will not show stuff like smb.conf |
| 15:32.06 | Quag7 | I think I found the problem. The system is setting the system clock to the hardware clock every time I boot up. |
| 15:32.07 | abrotman | calyth: they are in /etc/samba/ |
| 15:32.17 | Quag7 | and the hardware clock is like, extremely wrong. |
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| 15:33.36 | calyth | abrotman: no I know that, I am just curious it didn't, e.g., list /etc/samba/smb.conf in that list. Or is it because when installing samba, smb.conf doesn't exists in /etc/samba? I need to know cause I'll have to find out all the config files for a couple of packages and I want to be sure |
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| 15:33.50 | abrotman | calyth: could be generated by debconf |
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| 15:34.20 | abrotman | calyth: all config files should be in /etc/(though i imagine some web based stuff doesn't adhere to that) |
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| 15:34.48 | calyth | abrotman: oh ok. I see. thanks. I'll look up debconf and see if debconf could tell me configs generated by it. |
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| 15:35.24 | calyth | abrotman: well hylafax seems to copy the config to /var/spool/hylafax/etc/, that's why I have to look them up, or else I'd just tar cjf /etc |
| 15:35.53 | abrotman | calyth: yes .. it copies them from /etc/ |
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| 15:35.57 | gniretar | !kiss |
| 15:35.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
| 15:36.11 | abrotman | calyth: the bastard had actually moved them from /etc/ to /var/ .. a bug was quickly filed :) |
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| 15:36.24 | calyth | heh ;) |
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| 15:37.04 | jan_ | Restarting Courier IMAP-SSL server: /usr/sbin/couriertcpd: error while loading shared libraries: libgdbm.so.3: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied |
| 15:37.09 | jan_ | ?! |
| 15:37.29 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 15:37.52 | abrotman | jan_: sid? |
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| 15:38.14 | jan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.22 | abrotman | on sid? |
| 15:38.32 | jan_ | testing/unstable |
| 15:38.36 | jan_ | so, yes i guess |
| 15:38.40 | abrotman | did you check the bts? |
| 15:38.45 | jan_ | not yet |
| 15:38.49 | jan_ | i'm freaking out :) |
| 15:38.58 | abrotman | good place to start |
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| 15:39.12 | douglas | are there any similar anonymous remailers like the back in the day anon penit.fi? |
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| 15:39.20 | jan_ | i think i blame grsec |
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| 15:39.54 | abrotman | jan_: like this ? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321723 |
| 15:39.57 | greycat | douglas: google for "mixnet", "Tor", etc. |
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| 15:40.07 | douglas | thanks |
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| 15:41.30 | doublehp | without using dpkg-recofigure, which file to alter in /etc to change the keymap of console ? |
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| 15:42.48 | Vibes | hi all! just a question about kernel favour for a athlon 64 (mobil version)... doesn't work with 2.6-amd64-k8 (do not support long mode) Would it work with 2.6-amd64-generic or only with 32bits flavours? |
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| 15:43.14 | micka | how automount usb-stick whit dbus pmount ? |
| 15:43.14 | micka | when plug mystick i have no /dev/sda1 |
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| 15:46.28 | douglas | i am running gallery2 with its nightly builds, but i just did an apt update/upgrade and it tried to install an older version. I don't want apt doing anything with gallery, just want to untar it in myself. How can i do this other than switching to unstable (which still doesn't have builds beyond the beta last released? |
| 15:46.49 | douglas | .. and i didn't use apt to install it in the first place |
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| 15:47.16 | douglas | this meaning apt upgradse |
| 15:48.34 | itchy | Hi there |
| 15:48.51 | douglas | hey there itchy |
| 15:49.10 | CountZ | how does an oper regain op on a channel? |
| 15:49.26 | petemc | CountZ: /msg chanserv op user #channel |
| 15:49.31 | petemc | oh, regain |
| 15:49.36 | douglas | you gotta be homies with the chanserv thing |
| 15:49.38 | CountZ | ah with chanserv... |
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| 15:50.14 | itchy | I have a problem with locales... Do u know if there is any Debian locales channel? |
| 15:50.20 | itchy | :) |
| 15:50.22 | cahoot | douglas: putting it on hold isn't an option? |
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| 15:50.37 | douglas | how'd i do that |
| 15:50.42 | Karnaugh | god damnit |
| 15:50.44 | Karnaugh | ~java |
| 15:50.45 | apt | hmm... java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com, or see the "mpkg-j2se" ... |
| 15:50.52 | bibe | itchy : no, but I had a problem with locales. Tell us what's your problem |
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| 15:51.20 | douglas | you mean telling apt not to worry about gallery2 |
| 15:51.35 | itchy | well, I'm spaniard... but my system must be in english (work stuff) |
| 15:52.07 | itchy | I've selected the en_US.UTF-8 locale |
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| 15:52.19 | Almindor | is there a nice GUI .deb editor? |
| 15:52.27 | bibe | itchy : and no tilde and/or accents |
| 15:52.34 | granden | :P |
| 15:52.38 | Almindor | or text one but something which can simply edit .debs without manual repackaging |
| 15:52.44 | itchy | no tilde, no accents and no euro support, yep |
| 15:52.45 | itchy | :) |
| 15:52.48 | Almindor | (dependencies etc.) |
| 15:52.56 | bibe | itchy : try en_US.ISO-8859-1 |
| 15:53.40 | dimir | en_US.ISO-8859-15 has euro symbol |
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| 15:54.30 | bibe | itchy : dimir is right |
| 15:54.43 | wers | £ |
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| 15:54.48 | wers | ? |
| 15:54.53 | dimir | excuse me, what is it you guys said UTF-8 didn't have? |
| 15:55.04 | greycat | portability to older unix systems? |
| 15:55.21 | dimir | greycat: ah |
| 15:55.24 | dimir | sure |
| 15:55.43 | dimir | accents, what's that? |
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| 15:56.03 | Ox12 | hello, how to make sure LOGIN is enabled? |
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| 15:56.22 | dimir | what login_ |
| 15:56.25 | dimir | ? |
| 15:56.29 | dimir | local? |
| 15:56.32 | bibe | dimir: I had to stick with ISO-8859-15 because of little problems with web applications (interoperability with other non-UTF8 system) |
| 15:56.35 | UnWorldly | how do I reformat my home partition to ext3 |
| 15:56.43 | UnWorldly | I decided reiserfs isnt for me |
| 15:56.54 | dimir | Ox12: do you mean "account is enabled"? |
| 15:57.00 | zinx | UnWorldly: there's some crazy program that'll do that |
| 15:57.07 | itchy | thanks all of you, guys |
| 15:57.07 | dimir | bibe: oh, OK. |
| 15:57.09 | itchy | :) |
| 15:57.17 | zinx | UnWorldly: convertfs |
| 15:57.22 | UnWorldly | thaqnk you |
| 15:57.39 | dimir | itchy: no problemo ;-) |
| 15:57.44 | zinx | UnWorldly: remember, no warrantee ;) also be sure to have a rescue disk around, and remember to change /etc/fstab to reflect the new fs |
| 15:58.00 | UnWorldly | ok |
| 15:58.02 | zinx | UnWorldly: it case it's not obvious, you *SHOULD* back up important data before running it if at all possible. |
| 15:58.11 | zinx | erh, in case rather |
| 15:58.17 | dimir | €uro symbol should work. |
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| 15:58.22 | dimir | :-) |
| 15:58.33 | bibe | UnWorldly : go to single user mode, then cp -a /home /backup_home; umount /home; mke2fs -j /dev/<home_partition>; mount /home; cp -a /backup_home/* /home/; init 3 |
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| 15:58.47 | itchy | one more thing: it is true that Ubuntu works with utf-8 native support? |
| 15:58.53 | jan_ | is there a place where update-logs are saved? |
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| 16:00.16 | UnWorldly | so mke3fs is the command to make an ext3 partition? |
| 16:00.25 | UnWorldly | errr, i meant mke2fs |
| 16:00.46 | dimir | itchy: define "utf-8 native support" |
| 16:01.01 | itchy | it supposes that Ubuntu is a debian system... how it could be? There is another locales package? |
| 16:01.06 | bibe | UnWorldly : and be _sure_ to not run out of / space when backing up your home data. mke2fs is/was for ext2, the -j (journaling) options makes it ext3 |
| 16:01.14 | r3v | UnWorldly: mkfs.ext3 is what I use |
| 16:01.19 | dimir | UnWorldly: ext2 +journaling (-j) == ext3 |
| 16:01.22 | dimir | so yes |
| 16:01.29 | UnWorldly | fun stuff |
| 16:01.41 | dan2_ | ~test |
| 16:01.42 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 16:01.43 | dan2_ | dpkg: test |
| 16:01.43 | dpkg | Sorry, dan2_, I didn't get your test. |
| 16:01.52 | dimir | or just use the command as r3v proposed. |
| 16:02.00 | UnWorldly | well, going to single user |
| 16:02.00 | dimir | I use that too. |
| 16:02.03 | UnWorldly | thanks for the help |
| 16:02.08 | UnWorldly | see you on the other side |
| 16:02.10 | bibe | UnWorldly : no problem |
| 16:02.11 | itchy | well. "utf-8 native support" means that by default, the locales system choosed is in UTF-8, not in ISO-whatever |
| 16:02.11 | Ox12 | how to restart inetd? |
| 16:02.12 | dimir | Good luck! |
| 16:02.14 | dimir | :-) |
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| 16:02.38 | bibe | Ox12 : /etc/init.d/inetd restart? |
| 16:02.38 | dimir | itchy: I think you choose the default locale in the Installer. |
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| 16:03.20 | bibe | itchy : applications too must have been "ported" to UTF-8, and remember interoperability |
| 16:04.16 | itchy | I've installed Debian by netinstall way with ... let me think..... |
| 16:04.19 | dimir | yeah, it's more like the question if the applications (or their versions) included in the distro support it. |
| 16:04.35 | itchy | C : |
| 16:04.38 | itchy | :-P |
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| 16:04.59 | dimir | you can always run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and add ones and set the default one. |
| 16:05.26 | dimir | list current locales with 'cat /etc/locale.gen' |
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| 16:06.19 | dimir | the 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' does not offer all the possible locales, i. e. I had to edit /etc/locales.gen manually to add ru_RU.CP1251 locale. |
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| 16:06.58 | itchy | it's curious, because evolution, GNOME in general, works perfectly with spanish characters, euro.... |
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| 16:07.01 | _wrykyn | I'm not able to find the javamode plugin for nedit in debian. Anyone know of a source that I can add to my sources.list file to get this ? |
| 16:07.03 | dimir | s/the/however the/ |
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| 16:07.57 | itchy | but when I send an e-mail... all characters non-english (spanish), seems to vanish in a maze of weird simbols :-D |
| 16:08.08 | dimir | itchy: it's the matter what locale is set in GNOME. Or, actually, your default system locale. |
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| 16:08.57 | griott | buenas |
| 16:09.00 | dimir | itchy: the correct 'character encoding' has to be set in the MUA and in the Evolution settings too, I presume. |
| 16:09.03 | bibe | itchy: try sending them from echo "niño" |mail yourself |
| 16:09.11 | dimir | ehlo griott |
| 16:09.20 | itchy | my default system locale I think.... GNOME works perfectly.... |
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| 16:09.57 | itchy | well... I'll try to send an e-mail 2 myself |
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| 16:10.13 | dimir | it's that when GNOME starts it reads the locale setting from your shell, that's where the default system locale matters. |
| 16:10.23 | itchy | wow! Maybe the Internet servers of my friends.. such like yahoo! doesn't support utf-8 yet? |
| 16:10.29 | dimir | AFAIK |
| 16:10.39 | dimir | Could be too. |
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| 16:11.03 | itchy | damn it :-P |
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| 16:11.06 | KatieB | I installed Azureus and got this Testing port 6888 ... Unable to test error. I then found a way to solve it...The issue was caused because of ipv6. So just disable it by adding this line to your /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 16:11.06 | KatieB | alias net-pf-10 off, but I don't have this file in my /etc but i do have modprobe.d help? ty. |
| 16:11.12 | dimir | But, unlikely. |
| 16:11.15 | greycat | the HEADERS of an e-mail must be in 7-bit ASCII. |
| 16:11.26 | poncha|work | damn :) someone remind me pls how to watch currently open sockets on my system? :) i feel dumb but somehow it slipped out of my head :) |
| 16:11.30 | greycat | you can put UTF-8 (or quoted printable, etc.) in the body thoguh. |
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| 16:15.03 | dave_mwi | would anyone know why downloading the kdebase-devel libraries for my current installed version of kdebase through synaptic would cause any kdeapps to be unsinstalled? seems that since I'm not installing a new version of kde, and thise libraries are for the version I have, I could keep all my current kde apps...? |
| 16:15.14 | dimir | greycat: But some, maybe most, MTAs support quoted-printable headers? |
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| 16:15.33 | dimir | like, I remember I used it to send a Subject in UTF-8. |
| 16:15.53 | r3v | dave_mwi: which version of debian you running? |
| 16:15.53 | dererk | Hi everyone, does apt-get modify lilo's configuration when I install a new kernel? |
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| 16:16.08 | dererk | As It does in Grub?¿ |
| 16:16.10 | greycat | dimir: they're still in violation of the RFCs. Even if they're supported by 95% of the MUAs in the world. |
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| 16:16.47 | dave_mwi | r3v: I'm actually running Mepis 3.3 (Debian)...as far as the specific 'Debian' version goes, is there a quick way to determine that? |
| 16:16.49 | dererk | Does anyone knows??? |
| 16:16.53 | itchy | .... it's so funny.... I have problems with english and spanish locales.... what will happen if I was a NZ maori? :-D |
| 16:16.56 | EmleyMoor | I'm getting "C compiler cannot create executables" when trying to compile the openobex apps on my woody system |
| 16:17.05 | poonj | hey guys...all of a sudden, I can't print anymore on my machine! is there a way to test my parallel port to make sure its still working or if its my printer? |
| 16:17.06 | EmleyMoor | Can anyone advise why that would be? |
| 16:17.11 | linuxfreck | EmleyMoor: apt-get install build-essential |
| 16:17.11 | greycat | !faq EmleyMoor |
| 16:17.12 | dpkg | EmleyMoor: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:17.36 | KatieB | Right, now I'm stuck, I have disabled ipv6, but still get the same error, have i got to like refresh it or something? |
| 16:17.37 | dimir | gray: I see. |
| 16:17.42 | dimir | greycat: I see |
| 16:18.03 | r3v | dave_mwi: mepis? so not debian? |
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| 16:18.25 | dererk | Nobody knowns??? |
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| 16:18.27 | r3v | dave_mwi: i know of an issue in debian sid with kdelibs, but no ideas on mepis |
| 16:18.28 | itchy | dererk : you should re-run lilo with --> lilo -v before reboot your system |
| 16:18.28 | dave_mwi | r3v: mepis is debian based. .deb packaged etc |
| 16:18.49 | r3v | where is someone with the factoid of debian based != debian?? :) |
| 16:18.50 | dave_mwi | r3v: and I'm using synaptic for package management |
| 16:18.56 | dererk | itchy, After installing the new kernel??? |
| 16:18.57 | drac | !based on debian |
| 16:18.57 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 16:19.00 | thingfish | mandrake is rpm-based, but it's not red hat. |
| 16:19.06 | r3v | drac: good job :) |
| 16:19.12 | itchy | dererk : yep |
| 16:19.13 | dave_mwi | heh - you all are very right... |
| 16:19.14 | EmleyMoor | I'm still getting the same error |
| 16:19.19 | dererk | itchy, Thanks |
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| 16:19.41 | dave_mwi | I guess I figured that this was not necessarily mepis related, but kde-synapitc-deb related. |
| 16:19.41 | itchy | dererk : as other fellas said: No problemo ;-) |
| 16:19.44 | r3v | dave_mwi: there are tons of diffs between debian and ones based on it. perhaps they screwed something up |
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| 16:19.51 | KatieB | oh |
| 16:19.51 | KatieB | YAY |
| 16:19.53 | KatieB | i got it working |
| 16:19.56 | dave_mwi | r3v: quite possible |
| 16:19.58 | KatieB | im so smart *jumps around* |
| 16:20.02 | atom-z | does debian have x86-64 bit support? |
| 16:20.08 | poncha|work | *slaps himself* netstat!! |
| 16:20.10 | EmleyMoor | I'm getting "C compiler cannot create executables" when trying to compile the openobex apps on my woody system - build-essential is installed |
| 16:20.15 | dererk | itchy, ?=) |
| 16:20.19 | r3v | dave_mwi: I know the issue with debian sid right now, but I'd hope no one would base a distro on debian sid |
| 16:20.20 | EmleyMoor | Er- sarge system |
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| 16:20.45 | dererk | Bye now |
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| 16:21.16 | dave_mwi | r3v: what does sid stand for? |
| 16:21.29 | EmleyMoor | It doesn't stand for, it's a name |
| 16:21.36 | KatieB | sidney |
| 16:21.39 | EmleyMoor | (the boy next door who breaks toys) |
| 16:21.46 | greycat | !sid |
| 16:21.46 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 16:21.56 | dave_mwi | ah, ok. |
| 16:21.59 | dave_mwi | heh. |
| 16:22.15 | KatieB | makes it an antique |
| 16:22.29 | EmleyMoor | I'm getting "C compiler cannot create executables" when trying to compile the openobex apps on my sarge system - build-essential is installed - what else do I need to do?> |
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| 16:23.22 | suks | I installed windows XP and debian on this laptop (in that order). I then proceeded to a make a fat32 partition in windows from the remaining space. this seemed to a) destroy boot loader (fixed) b) do nasty things to the partition table |
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| 16:24.04 | suks | nasty things: on bootup, grub has been set to boot from (hd0,2) (hda3) - it does not boot before you edit the info on-fly and change it to hd0,1 and hda2 |
| 16:24.22 | suks | however, in Linux, fdisk -l (+ mount etc) show the linux partition as hda3 |
| 16:24.34 | suks | and fdisk -l complains "Partition # does not end on cylinder boundary" |
| 16:24.46 | suks | any good ideas how to fix this? :> |
| 16:25.34 | atom-z | what is the status of debian's amd64 support? |
| 16:25.37 | r3v | suks: you can try parted (or qtparted for gui). I fixed partitions not ending on cylinder boundary that way |
| 16:25.45 | EmleyMoor | Why would a C complier be unable to create executables? |
| 16:25.52 | stew | !faq EmleyMoor |
| 16:25.52 | vahvarh | atom-z: What do you mean? |
| 16:25.53 | dpkg | EmleyMoor: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:25.55 | r3v | EmleyMoor: missing a linker? |
| 16:25.57 | vahvarh | atom-z: Exactly? |
| 16:26.08 | vahvarh | atom-z: I use debian-amd64 right now. |
| 16:26.09 | atom-z | vahvarh, is it stable? where can I get it? |
| 16:26.12 | Kvant | EmleyMoor, is binutils installed? |
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| 16:26.23 | vahvarh | atom-z: amd64.debian.net |
| 16:26.23 | suks | r3v: do you reckon that the problem of grub seeing hte linux partition as hda2 (hd0,1) instead of hda3 (hd0,2) could be related to the partitions not ending on the cylinder boundary? |
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| 16:26.28 | EmleyMoor | Kvant: Yes |
| 16:26.31 | suks | r3v: sounds about right, I think? |
| 16:26.32 | ricky_clarkson | EmleyMoor: Install build-essential |
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| 16:26.51 | noloK | hi again |
| 16:26.52 | stew | its the very first question answered in the FAQ |
| 16:26.53 | vahvarh | atom-z: There is a channel #debian-amd64 |
| 16:26.56 | atom-z | vahvarh, ah |
| 16:26.58 | EmleyMoor | ricky_clarkson: Already installed |
| 16:27.04 | mbuf | can i set sources in /etc/apt/sources.list to point to both cdrom and a debian mirror? which mirror entry should i point it to? and what syntax ? |
| 16:27.08 | ricky_clarkson | EmleyMoor: Check the FAQ stew pointed you at. |
| 16:27.10 | r3v | suks: it wasn't that way for me. all the partitions were numbered right and they saw as right number, just not on boundrys. but I guess anything could happen when misaligned |
| 16:27.13 | atom-z | vahvarh, thanks |
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| 16:27.51 | noloK | how i can separate a 4GB .iso file into 700MB files? |
| 16:27.53 | EmleyMoor | stew: Very first question? |
| 16:28.08 | drac | noloK: man split |
| 16:28.22 | EmleyMoor | Ah, first in 3. |
| 16:28.22 | stew | EmleyMoor: oh it might not be until the third section iirc |
| 16:28.24 | noloK | drac thanks |
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| 16:28.31 | EmleyMoor | I have already done that - but it STILL fails |
| 16:28.40 | HayArms | Hi all :) |
| 16:28.48 | stew | drac: will split create coherent iso filesystems? |
| 16:29.06 | HayArms | Guys , I've a problem with software raid |
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| 16:29.07 | stew | EmleyMoor: what are you trying to compile? what version of debian are you using? |
| 16:29.13 | stouset | stew: no |
| 16:29.24 | EmleyMoor | openobex with USB patches, sarge |
| 16:29.31 | HayArms | I've just installed the system on software raid devices |
| 16:29.50 | stew | noloK: i don't think drac's suggestion would work |
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| 16:29.54 | suks | r3v: hrm, parted shows partition number 2 to be ext3 (i.e. the linux partition), however "check 2" suggests running e2fsck becaues of unclean unmount |
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| 16:30.08 | HayArms | My root filesystem is /dev/md1 and another data filesystem is /dev/md0 . During reboot I get these messages : |
| 16:30.09 | stouset | stew: Probably not. But depending on what type of ISO it is, nothing really will. |
| 16:30.12 | drac | noloK: you would have to put them back in 4gb file for that .iso to work again |
| 16:30.15 | HayArms | md: stopping all md devices |
| 16:30.17 | trc | how do you add a theme systemwide to gnome? |
| 16:30.19 | drac | noloK: so.. find another solution then :) |
| 16:30.22 | HayArms | md: md1 still in use ... |
| 16:30.23 | suks | r3v: now, check 3 says "Partition /dev/hda3 is being used." and mount(1) shows hda3 being my root :) |
| 16:30.23 | P8ntKid | hmmm, for some reason i cant get .mov files to play, they load in firefox with mplayer, and get to 100% but they dont play. |
| 16:30.28 | r3v | suks: definitly, do NOT resize a not cleanly umounted partition :) |
| 16:30.33 | stew | noloK: mount the 4gb on loopback, then move files by hand into separate directory trees, then man mkisofs |
| 16:30.36 | EmleyMoor | Is there something I have to do after installing build-essential? |
| 16:30.36 | stouset | stew: i.e., if it's an installer of some sort, it wouldn't know to look on various CDs. If any one file is greater than 700MB it's just out of the question to begin with...etc |
| 16:30.36 | HayArms | md: md0 read-only |
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| 16:30.41 | HayArms | Is this normal? |
| 16:30.46 | close_to_debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.52 | close_to_debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.58 | close_to_debian | What might be the reason |
| 16:31.04 | r3v | r3v: if you get a CD/floppies with (qt)parted, it makes it easier (cause nothing is mounted) |
| 16:31.07 | justin | !wayttd close_to_debian |
| 16:31.08 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, close_to_debian? |
| 16:31.22 | nkuttler | HayArms: is it really mounted ro? |
| 16:31.28 | r3v | HayArms: does it switch to rw later in boot? or stay read only forever? |
| 16:31.28 | close_to_debian | My server is not using swap space |
| 16:31.29 | stew | EmleyMoor: build-essential should really be enough |
| 16:31.38 | suks | I'm afraid of touching these partitions before my system can make up its mind about what partition is the linux partition and what is not :) |
| 16:31.43 | justin | close_to_debian: so? |
| 16:31.43 | close_to_debian | Even after switching kernel |
| 16:31.52 | close_to_debian | What can be done |
| 16:32.04 | stew | close_to_debian: increase swappiness |
| 16:32.14 | EmleyMoor | It compiled OK on another system |
| 16:32.15 | nkuttler | close_to_debian: man mkswap? |
| 16:32.17 | HayArms | r3v: sorry , I've forgotten to say that this happens during the reboot phase |
| 16:32.24 | EmleyMoor | (another sarge system, no less!) |
| 16:32.25 | close_to_debian | Swap: 2040212 0 2040212 |
| 16:32.31 | stew | !swappiness |
| 16:32.31 | dpkg | somebody said swappiness was A number of Linux kernel developers debated "swapiness" - exploring when an application should or should not be swapped out, versus reclaiming memory from the cache. http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3000 http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3202 http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3660 |
| 16:33.19 | r3v | HayArms: that's fine, but it should start out as read only when first mounted on (re)boot, then switch to rw later |
| 16:33.43 | close_to_debian | would it work on 2.4 kernel |
| 16:33.46 | HayArms | The root device do so at boot time |
| 16:33.47 | close_to_debian | swappiness |
| 16:33.52 | cahoot | antgel: you ok with exposing personal info on irc? |
| 16:34.34 | stouset | cahoot: Yeah. He didn't mind when I passed out his phone number, address, and place of employment last week. ;) |
| 16:34.41 | HayArms | but during reboo I get those messages, I'd like to know if I should find a way to get rid of those messages or if they are harmless |
| 16:34.46 | HayArms | *reboot |
| 16:35.07 | stouset | HayArms: Harmless. |
| 16:35.30 | HayArms | Ok, thanks |
| 16:35.47 | HayArms | I have another question. |
| 16:36.03 | HayArms | I use mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge2 that is the lastest version for sarge |
| 16:36.13 | HayArms | I can't download any files |
| 16:36.34 | HayArms | Worked the first time I loaded firefox and stopped working from the second time |
| 16:36.37 | nkuttler | HayArms: visit security.debian.org and packages.debian.org |
| 16:36.42 | abrotman | HayArms: again? |
| 16:36.53 | HayArms | yes , again :P |
| 16:37.05 | HayArms | I can't solve this problem :/ |
| 16:37.52 | EmleyMoor | Copied the stow over from the other machine for now but will have to work out what was breaking the compile sometime |
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| 16:38.32 | HayArms | maybe a security fix broke firefox? |
| 16:38.33 | close_to_debian | swappiness would it work on 2.4 kernel |
| 16:38.45 | HayArms | Or it's just me that have this problem? |
| 16:39.30 | HayArms | I've tried to download the etch version of firefox and works |
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| 16:40.01 | ricky_clarkson | You downloaded works? |
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| 16:41.20 | HayArms | I mean: I've downloaded the version for debian etch and download works in this version of firefox |
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| 16:43.41 | Morti | update-alternatives: -slave only allowed with --install |
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| 16:43.46 | Morti | That happens when I try to remove sawfish |
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| 16:43.59 | Morti | (apt-get remove sawfish or dpkg --remove sawfish) |
| 16:44.01 | Morti | How do I fix it? |
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| 16:44.55 | greycat | I'd check /var/lib/dpkg/info/sawfish.prerm |
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| 16:45.56 | unvs | I've got 1 IDE-disk which is just for storage, and 2 S-ATA disks, S-ATA #1 has got xp on it, and I'm currently installing debian on S-ATA #2. My question is, should i point the grub installer to /dev/sda to enable multibooting xp&debian, or /dev/sdb? |
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| 16:46.36 | kurtak | Quick question- I have my username in /etc/shutdown.allow, but when i try to use shutdown as me, the user, i still get the message "you must be root to do that" what do i need to do to allow me, as user, to shutdown?? |
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| 16:47.39 | Prodegy | Hello How Is Everyone? |
| 16:47.46 | greycat | No manual entry for shutdown.allow |
| 16:47.59 | Morti | Ah, that looks like the culprit. Thanks greycat. :D |
| 16:48.01 | xoz | kurtak: i don't see any /etc/shutdown.allow? where the hello you got it? |
| 16:48.12 | greycat | shutdown(8) says "-a Use /etc/shutdown.allow." Did you use that? |
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| 16:48.34 | Prodegy | No Offense to anyone here |
| 16:48.41 | Prodegy | But ya need some New IRC Tech's |
| 16:48.53 | Prodegy | What are you trying to go greycat |
| 16:48.54 | greycat | No Offense to any trolls here... but you aren't it. |
| 16:49.06 | Morti | IRC techs? Too expensive, we'll use ops. |
| 16:49.16 | Prodegy | Yea I Code my Own IRC |
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| 16:49.24 | Prodegy | Just got Linux |
| 16:49.29 | kurtak | greycat: OH, i didn't use -a. if i leave this room than it works! |
| 16:49.53 | kurtak | greycat: i'm still here |
| 16:50.00 | kurtak | heh, so it didn't work |
| 16:50.02 | greycat | file a bug report then. |
| 16:50.14 | Prodegy | Whats not Working? |
| 16:50.44 | Prodegy | Will BRB |
| 16:51.02 | greycat | kurtak: are you sure you read the entire shutdown(8) man page? |
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| 16:51.57 | antgel | cahoot: couldn't give a fuck at the moment. it's all come crashing down. |
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| 16:53.13 | Prodegy | Back |
| 16:53.17 | xoz | kurtak: read the man. it says shutdown.allow is not designed to run setuid to the user listed in /etc/shutdown.allow. you need sudo or root to shutdown |
| 16:53.19 | paster | "kawfee" at 69.13.252.10 pasted "MWILSON IS A F4GGOT WHO LIKES THE GEENAA. ARE YOU G-Y? ARE YOU A N-GGER? ARE YOU A G@Y N1GGER? THEN THE GEENAA WANTS YOU!! HTTP://www.geenaa.us/ sed 's/eena/'" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/536 |
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| 16:53.51 | greycat | wonderful. |
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| 16:54.15 | zinx | they're baaaaaaaaaaack |
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| 16:54.44 | greycat | his sed command's broken, too. |
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| 16:55.03 | Prodegy | You guys taking about IRC Commands or Linux commands? |
| 16:55.13 | kurtak | xoz: thanks much. i'm not totally sure what "run setuid" really means, so i'll go read some more. |
| 16:55.46 | E-bola | I have 1 3com905B and 1 3com905C, i will install in a server tomorrow. Should i use the 3c90x.c or the 3c59x.c driver? |
| 16:55.51 | paster | "lorez" at 69.13.252.10 pasted "MWILSON IS 4 F4GGOT WHO LIKES THE GEENAA. ARE YOU GA-Y? ARE YOU A NI-GGER? ARE YOU A G4Y N1GGER? THEN THE GEENAA WANTS YOU!!" (3 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/538 |
| 16:56.05 | LoRez | nice. |
| 16:56.13 | jethro | nasty lorez |
| 16:56.15 | Prodegy | aMP:15) Lotus Song |
| 16:56.22 | greycat | Prodegy: go away or shut up. |
| 16:56.25 | zinx | time to +q paster again |
| 16:56.26 | asg | Prodegy: turn that off |
| 16:56.28 | suks | "Partition 1: head 240 greater than maximum 16" - anyone have any idea what does this mean in practice? |
| 16:56.46 | Prodegy | Sorry, I was asking greycat so maybe I could help |
| 16:56.51 | Prodegy | and sorry for the msg asg |
| 16:56.57 | paster | "helix" at 69.13.252.10 pasted "MWILSON IS 4 F4GGOT WHO LIKES THE GEENAA. ARE YOU GA-Y? ARE YOU A NI-GGER? ARE YOU A G4Y N1GGER? THEN THE GEENAA WANTS YOU!!" (3 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/539 |
| 16:57.03 | Ox12 | what port does postfixadmin use? |
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| 16:57.50 | Xenguy | paster: fuck off |
| 16:57.58 | greycat | Xenguy: it's, like, a bot. |
| 16:58.01 | zinx | poor paster |
| 16:58.06 | zinx | taking all the flak |
| 16:58.08 | Xenguy | greycat: oh |
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| 16:58.37 | Xenguy | greycat: and can anyone /kickban that bot? ;-) |
| 16:58.49 | LoRez | Xenguy: are you blind? |
| 16:58.53 | Morphje_ | help: i've finished installing debian using the expert26 at initrd. I chose to install grub, but it won't boot. Is there an "help" guide for this kind of situation ? |
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| 16:59.08 | suks | Morphje_: "it won't boot"? |
| 16:59.08 | greycat | yeah, looks dynamic. |
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| 16:59.15 | greycat | 10.252.13.69.IN-ADDR.ARPA is a nickname for 10.252.13.69.in-addr.cerebraltech.com |
| 16:59.17 | Xenguy | LoRez: no, but I'm not paying that much attention either |
| 16:59.18 | Morphje_ | suks: no grub, nothing |
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| 16:59.43 | Morphje_ | just skips my hd and boots from cd (which isn't in my system :)) |
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| 17:00.12 | suks | take the cd out |
| 17:00.14 | suks | and reboot :) |
| 17:00.20 | Morphje_ | suks: it is out |
| 17:00.29 | suks | oh duh |
| 17:00.30 | KatieB | ow toothache |
| 17:00.37 | Morphje_ | as i said "which isn't in my system |
| 17:00.40 | suks | yeah |
| 17:00.43 | Morphje_ | resulting in a boot error |
| 17:00.46 | suks | I said "oh duh" :p |
| 17:00.55 | Morphje_ | ow missed that part :) |
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| 17:01.04 | r3v | KatieB: toothache? |
| 17:01.13 | suks | is your system configured to even try booting from hd tho? |
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| 17:01.20 | KatieB | yeah, got my wisdom teeth coming and they bloody hurt |
| 17:01.29 | suks | maybe you have specified a boot order that doesn't even include your hd |
| 17:01.29 | Morphje_ | suks: as far as i know it is |
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| 17:01.41 | suks | you should probably check it as the very first thing you do |
| 17:01.44 | Morphje_ | first: hdd0, second cdrom, third: none |
| 17:01.44 | suks | (from bios) |
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| 17:01.48 | suks | ok |
| 17:01.57 | Morphje_ | but i'm pretty sure that's ok |
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| 17:02.27 | r3v | KatieB: get them cut out |
| 17:02.51 | KatieB | im going to have to *sobs* |
| 17:02.51 | Morphje_ | my bios takes a rather long time to check my first boot device (the hd) and then skips to cdrom |
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| 17:03.22 | Morphje_ | basicly, how can i reinstall grub into the mbr without reinstalling |
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| 17:03.58 | greycat | Morphje_: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README* |
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| 17:04.07 | Morphje_ | greycat: thanks |
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| 17:04.21 | Morphje_ | that's what i needed |
| 17:04.27 | greycat | boot from install CD, alt-f2 to a shell, mount your root FS, chroot into it, then see above. |
| 17:04.47 | r3v | KatieB: it isn't that bad if they give you drugs |
| 17:04.47 | Morphje_ | greycat: was planning to :) |
| 17:05.00 | greycat | r3v: oh, they will. |
| 17:05.03 | KatieB | I hate the dentist, he's so evil |
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| 17:05.15 | r3v | greycat: I didn't get any |
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| 17:06.07 | bitshifty | hello! |
| 17:06.18 | r3v | hi! |
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| 17:07.44 | flipmcf | hi. Trying to install my 3.0 cd onto a touchy, old p133. Got the infamous 'loading spec packet failed trying to wing it.... |
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| 17:07.54 | smacnay | has anyone here used crip fot rip an audio cd? Does it do all that abcde can do? |
| 17:07.59 | jeanpijon | hello, when I start up my debian core says there is an error with initializing of ACPI, can I get some support here? |
| 17:08.03 | greycat | crip? |
| 17:08.10 | flipmcf | nm.. I'll be back with more info in a bit... |
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| 17:08.14 | TiTAN_pi8 | hello, anyone that can help me out with a lil' problem I have with chroot? I'm trying to debootstrap a mipsel installation from an i686 |
| 17:08.19 | greycat | is that the gansta ripper? |
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| 17:08.33 | smacnay | greycat: seems to be in the Debian repository (testing at least). |
| 17:08.55 | smacnay | greycat: yes, a google finds the crip gangs of LA before the page for crip (program). |
| 17:08.59 | TiTAN_pi8 | the problem: when I do chroot /mnt/debinst i get: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error |
| 17:09.10 | cahoot | smacnay: seriously considering to ditch abcde? |
| 17:09.16 | sh02 | The highest version of nethack-qt in debian unstable (3.4.3-8) currently depends on libqt3-mt, while the newest version of konqueror (4:3.3.2-1) depends on libqt3c102-mt, which conflicts with libqt3-mt. Is this situation intended? |
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| 17:09.30 | Gathond | TiTAN_pi8: and does that file exist (seen from the chroot?) |
| 17:09.36 | smacnay | cahoot: no, not seriously, just interested in knowing what else is out there. |
| 17:09.38 | greycat | TiTAN_pi8: well, ... you can't expect to run a mipsel /bin/bash on an i386 box. |
| 17:09.41 | manbox | TiTAN_pi8, why not? juicer? |
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| 17:10.01 | Gathond | TiTAN_pi8: ahh, its failing in making the chroot, sorry |
| 17:10.05 | mischko | how do I get a list of files ina given package? |
| 17:10.11 | greycat | mischko: dpkg -L pkgname |
| 17:10.16 | Gathond | mischko: dpkg -L package |
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| 17:10.19 | mischko | thanks! |
| 17:10.21 | TiTAN_pi8 | well, I thought because it said /bin/bash it would not be the mipsel's /bin/bash but my local i686's bash if you can follow |
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| 17:10.31 | greycat | TiTAN_pi8: it's the chroot's. |
| 17:10.36 | TiTAN_pi8 | isn't it possible to do what i want? |
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| 17:10.50 | TiTAN_pi8 | which is to just open a shell with its root at /mnt/devinst |
| 17:10.52 | greycat | TiTAN_pi8: not in that way. |
| 17:10.59 | sh02 | mischko: apt-file can do the same for packages you don't have installed. |
| 17:11.09 | mischko | sh02, thanks for the info. |
| 17:11.14 | TiTAN_pi8 | how can I do that then? :) |
| 17:11.27 | Angel-SL | !sumtin |
| 17:11.36 | greycat | TiTAN_pi8: you could copy a statically linked i386 shell into the chroot, and then chroot /wherever /path/to/the/i386-sh |
| 17:11.49 | greycat | but first you'd need a statically linked i386 shell... |
| 17:11.55 | TiTAN_pi8 | mmh |
| 17:12.06 | greycat | and you wouldn't be able to use any of the mipsel utilities (cp, ln, mv, rm, etc.) |
| 17:12.14 | ricky_clarkson | Can you get those from the Shell shop? |
| 17:12.20 | LuPuZ | Heya... Would need some help here :P ... I just changed os from windows 2003 to Debian sarge on an rented server... but when it got reloaded i noticed they mounted my second hdd to /backup on debian... but it's not formatted :S i only have terminal and can't fix it out :S |
| 17:12.22 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: shell shack |
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| 17:12.45 | TiTAN_pi8 | greycat, mmh so is there another way to bootstrap this system? |
| 17:12.50 | ricky_clarkson | or she who sells C shells on the sea shore. |
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| 17:13.19 | TiTAN_pi8 | because base-config problably wouldn't work either right, supposing that the chroot command worked |
| 17:13.30 | bobnAtWork | I have a question avbout /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:13.50 | bobnAtWork | Is there a place other than security.debian.org to get updates? |
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| 17:14.07 | r3v | TiTAN_pi8: what is currently on the mips machine? Is there no way you can boot it somehow to do the bootstrap? |
| 17:14.12 | Frankablu | LuPuZ: Just use mkfs? |
| 17:14.12 | bobnAtWork | thius would be for v 3.1 |
| 17:14.27 | ricky_clarkson | bobnAtWork: Yes, the stable sources. |
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| 17:15.05 | bobnAtWork | how owuld that entry look? |
| 17:15.15 | TiTAN_pi8 | r3v, i have just done a debootstrap, so there isn't much. I don't even have a shell. there are no scripts in etc/rc?.d/ |
| 17:15.25 | LuPuZ | Frankablu: thx... reading the manual on mkfs' |
| 17:15.32 | TiTAN_pi8 | so is there a way to get a shell |
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| 17:15.34 | TiTAN_pi8 | on it |
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| 17:15.54 | cbr | OK!!! WTH is this!? this isnt a bug!!! who in hell ever thought of disabling this feature!? it's the best feature in firefox ever!! http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321823 |
| 17:15.55 | justin | LuPuZ: what do you mean by "they mounted my second hdd to /backup" and "it's not formatted" ? |
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| 17:16.33 | LuPuZ | justin: they have mounted it to /backup ... but it's still all the windows files on it... and when i try to delete it says read only |
| 17:16.43 | bobnAtWork | like the security.debian.org entry but a doifferent host? I've looked at several major mirrors (keremel.org, ibiblio.org) and not found updates directories. |
| 17:17.15 | r3v | TiTAN_pi8: it's been awhile since i've needed to do a crazy bootstrap install, but I thought it came up with enough to use after doing it? |
| 17:17.41 | ricky_clarkson | bobnAtWork: The normal Debian stable sources that you install from also give you updates, though for stable, not very many. |
| 17:17.57 | cbr | is there some #debian-* channel that deals with web apps? |
| 17:17.58 | ricky_clarkson | s/many/often/ |
| 17:18.01 | justin | LuPuZ: so then it is formatted... |
| 17:18.16 | ricky_clarkson | cbr: Too general. What technology? |
| 17:18.25 | cbr | ricky_clarkson: web browsers |
| 17:18.42 | TiTAN_pi8 | r3v, whell there is a shell installed but it is not being executed. when booting the MIPSel machine I get asked which runlevel I want to enter |
| 17:18.46 | ricky_clarkson | cbr: Too general. |
| 17:18.47 | bobnAtWork | ricky_clarkson: only got the one - and that comented out. |
| 17:18.47 | LuPuZ | justin: it can't been formatted cause the windows files is still there... i want an empty and not read only drive in /backup |
| 17:18.53 | cbr | ricky_clarkson: mozilla firefox |
| 17:19.03 | ricky_clarkson | cbr: #firefox ? |
| 17:19.15 | r3v | TiTAN_pi8: did you try 1 or 2? |
| 17:19.16 | cbr | ricky_clarkson: no.. firefox under debian, not firefox in general |
| 17:19.29 | ricky_clarkson | cbr: Some of those users will also use Debian. |
| 17:19.32 | ricky_clarkson | !firefox |
| 17:19.32 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox is probably the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 17:19.35 | TiTAN_pi8 | r3v, yes, they don't do anything |
| 17:19.37 | justin | LuPuZ: then unmount it, format it, and remount it |
| 17:19.52 | LuPuZ | how? |
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| 17:20.29 | cbr | oh, and one more thing.. debian should like seriously use a Bugzilla.. this mail system is so clumsy |
| 17:20.35 | r3v | TiTAN_pi8: hmm. I havn't done it recently enough. Last time I did one from serial dumb terminal on an old sparc, and I know the process was a big headache. Perhaps someone else can help |
| 17:20.41 | pingouin | LuPuZ: i think you have to read a little bit before doing so |
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| 17:21.07 | pingouin | LuPuZ: mount umount and cfdisk |
| 17:21.08 | LuPuZ | pingouin: that's why iäm here... to get help to direction on where to read :P |
| 17:21.14 | TiTAN_pi8 | this is what I get when entering runlevel 1: Enter runlevel: 1 |
| 17:21.14 | TiTAN_pi8 | INIT: Entering runlevel: 1 |
| 17:21.14 | TiTAN_pi8 | INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel |
| 17:21.27 | pingouin | LuPuZ: you understand french ? or english only ? |
| 17:21.34 | LuPuZ | english only |
| 17:21.48 | pingouin | LuPuZ: my enlish not very good execpt to litening ice t crude records ;) |
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| 17:21.59 | LuPuZ | hehe |
| 17:22.10 | pingouin | LuPuZ: mount to mount /what_you_need_too |
| 17:22.10 | TiTAN_pi8 | so erm, anyone that can tell me how to get a shell on this installation? :-| |
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| 17:22.29 | r3v | TiTAN_pi8: perhaps put an S01sh that runs sh into rc1.d? |
| 17:22.30 | pingouin | LuPuZ: man mount |
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| 17:22.45 | mlalkaka | hi everyone |
| 17:23.00 | pingouin | LuPuZ: cfdisk is pretty easy |
| 17:23.02 | TiTAN_pi8 | r3v, can I just copy S01sh from my i686 debian box? or do I have to create this script? |
| 17:23.21 | LuPuZ | pingouin: i got it... but when trying to umount it says device is busy :S |
| 17:23.22 | r3v | TiTAN_pi8: I just made it up, so you shouldn't have that on your box :) |
| 17:23.27 | r3v | TiTAN_pi8: just make one |
| 17:23.49 | r3v | TiTAN_pi8: which version of deb did you bootstrap on there? |
| 17:23.51 | TiTAN_pi8 | r3v, ah :) |
| 17:24.05 | LuPuZ | pingouin: tested cfdisk on hda... seems very easy.. .and i should handle it :P |
| 17:24.13 | TiTAN_pi8 | r3v, currently sarge but a couple of hours ago i did woody. exactly the same results |
| 17:24.14 | Ries | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.44 | r3v | TiTAN_pi8: I know alot of my probs were fixed by using sarge instead of woody |
| 17:24.44 | Ries | or.... how can I check by other tools that the CPU is/isn't used? |
| 17:24.51 | masoft | is NON-FREE available for SID ? |
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| 17:24.56 | A64 | Hi guys. "mail: command not found" - what shall I install (reinstall) to make this primitive :) command work ? I reinstalled exim4, sendmail, postfix etc but none of them works. Ideas ? :/ |
| 17:25.04 | sh02 | LuPuZ: use 'lsof -n | grep /backup' as root to figure out which process is using it. |
| 17:25.12 | TiTAN_pi8 | r3v, so what do you think i should put into this S01sh script? just /bin/sh ? |
| 17:26.03 | r3v | TiTAN_pi8: you'll need to format it like an init script with start and stop and such (look at another to see layout) |
| 17:26.06 | justin | TiTAN_pi8: just boot with init=/bin/sh |
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| 17:26.24 | sh02 | A64: 'apt-file search mail | grep bin/mail$' tells me: mailutils,mailx,op-mail2-fb. |
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| 17:26.31 | sh02 | A64: choose one. |
| 17:26.34 | r3v | TiTAN_pi8: yeah... try init=/bin/sh first |
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| 17:26.38 | r3v | justin: good call |
| 17:26.46 | penny | hi all |
| 17:26.47 | TiTAN_pi8 | justin, I can't specify an init parameter, the device I am working on is a router and I would have to flash the firmware to do that. I think |
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| 17:27.00 | justin | TiTAN_pi8: can you use a different kernel? |
| 17:27.06 | A64 | sh02: thanks. :) |
| 17:27.19 | r3v | TiTAN_pi8: ok... well then go back to trying to make init script that works |
| 17:27.20 | mlalkaka | how do i activate the vesa framebuffer support if it has been compiled into my kernel? prior to restarting my computer, vesa was working (i think, because on all my virtual terminals the fonts were nice and small). but now, i don't think it is working |
| 17:27.22 | TiTAN_pi8 | justin, it would require a different firmware |
| 17:27.29 | TiTAN_pi8 | r3v, k i will |
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| 17:28.12 | mlalkaka | now the fonts on my vt's are large again. how do i get them back to their small size. i believe it was vesafb support that did this am i correct? |
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| 17:28.15 | nkuttler_ | mlalkaka: pass a vga=... (eg ask) as boot parameter |
| 17:28.26 | masoft | mlalkaka: if you enabled it in kernel, must change initrd ! |
| 17:28.41 | nkuttler_ | mlalkaka: setfont iirc |
| 17:28.57 | justin | TiTAN_pi8: if you can modify the filesystem, just put /bin/sh as /sbin/init or /linuxrc or whatever for now |
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| 17:29.11 | masoft | mlalkaka: right, as nkuttler_ said, you can use vga Kernel parameter, too ;) |
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| 17:29.27 | TiTAN_pi8 | justin, K i can try that |
| 17:29.48 | LuPuZ | gaaaah... how do i change the drive from ntfs? cfdisk can't read it... and i guess from reading the manual that it's the ntfs |
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| 17:29.49 | mlalkaka | masoft, nkuttler_, which way is more better/more conventional |
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| 17:32.06 | abrotman | LuPuZ: from ntfs to what? |
| 17:32.10 | sh02 | LuPuZ: huh? cfdisk doesn't care about filesystems. |
| 17:32.12 | LuPuZ | to ext3 |
| 17:32.18 | abrotman | without losing data?> |
| 17:32.26 | LuPuZ | but i only get errors when doing cfdisk /dev/hdb |
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| 17:32.34 | LuPuZ | no i don't need the data on it :P |
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| 17:32.48 | TiTAN_pi8 | cool it works!! |
| 17:32.50 | nkuttler | LuPuZ: errors? |
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| 17:33.18 | sh02 | LuPuZ: what exactly did you mount to /backup? '/dev/hdb' itself? It's somewhat unusual to directly put an fs on a disk. |
| 17:33.32 | jcole | LuPuZ: you need to chnage the parttion type to 83 (linux) using cfdisk/fdisk, then use mkfs.ext3 to format the partition |
| 17:33.39 | sh02 | And if there's a partition structure below, cfdisk should be able to read it. |
| 17:33.44 | LuPuZ | thx... will try that |
| 17:33.53 | defcon8 | any origami enthusiasts please join #origami |
| 17:34.09 | TiTAN_pi8 | what does segmentation fault mean? |
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| 17:34.25 | zinx | defcon8: wrong place/way to announce.. tell the staffers about it if you want it announced |
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| 17:34.53 | defcon8 | zinx, thought i might have a chance |
| 17:34.55 | TiTAN_pi8 | it get 'segmentation fault' when running tar |
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| 17:35.09 | zinx | defcon8: you have a chance of getting banned, if that's what you were looking for ;) |
| 17:35.17 | nkuttler | TiTAN_pi8: tar is broken |
| 17:35.19 | defcon8 | why would i have a chance for being banned |
| 17:35.24 | defcon8 | its not for an immoral cause or anything |
| 17:35.27 | zinx | defcon8: because you just spammed a channel in here. |
| 17:35.32 | abrotman | defcon8: don't god damn spam the channel |
| 17:35.33 | nkuttler | defcon8: it's spamming |
| 17:35.35 | defcon8 | ahh come on dont call it spamming |
| 17:35.41 | zinx | defcon8: that's what it is :/ |
| 17:35.50 | defcon8 | you know that my intention wasnt that |
| 17:35.54 | defcon8 | ahh crap it wont do it again anyway |
| 17:35.56 | TiTAN_pi8 | nkuttler, that sucks because without tar i can't do dkpg -i right? |
| 17:35.58 | abrotman | defcon8: would you like to see if the ops agree? |
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| 17:36.00 | zinx | defcon8: the proper method is to notify the staffers that you've created a new channel |
| 17:36.09 | defcon8 | what like lilo or something? |
| 17:36.13 | zinx | defcon8: yes |
| 17:36.16 | defcon8 | ok thanks |
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| 17:36.20 | defcon8 | sorry for the mishap |
| 17:36.21 | nkuttler | TiTAN_pi8: probably depends on the package |
| 17:36.29 | nkuttler | TiTAN_pi8: where did you get a broken tar from? |
| 17:36.43 | TiTAN_pi8 | nkuttler, so do you have a suggestion on how to fix it. I got it from debian |
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| 17:36.48 | TiTAN_pi8 | i did a debootstrap |
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| 17:36.59 | TiTAN_pi8 | for a MIPSel router |
| 17:37.34 | nkuttler | TiTAN_pi8: no idea, is there no channel? probably better to ask the mailing list |
| 17:37.47 | mfrisch | you can't proxy a vpn...right? |
| 17:38.01 | mischko | Is there any way to get a list of all files on the file system that are not provided by some package? |
| 17:38.04 | TiTAN_pi8 | mmh |
| 17:38.06 | sh02 | TiTAN_pi8: you may also be dealing with a hardware problem...corrupted memory, for instance. |
| 17:38.30 | TiTAN_pi8 | sh02, i doubt that. the router seems to be working fine |
| 17:39.08 | penny | ... |
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| 17:39.28 | mischko | like rpm --verify? |
| 17:39.28 | penny | Is it a problem? |
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| 17:39.57 | nkuttler | mischko: not really, because scripts can generate files as well |
| 17:40.16 | mischko | ok |
| 17:40.16 | nkuttler | mischko: dpkg -L to list files for one package |
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| 17:40.36 | nkuttler | mischko: but that's only the included files, not anything generated later |
| 17:40.45 | mischko | I'll make a script that'll use dpkg -L's output from all packages, etc. |
| 17:40.45 | UFO | debian needs quite some time to look up my Windows PC's MAC addr |
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| 17:40.51 | mischko | nkuttler, right. |
| 17:41.02 | UFO | but it detects my router in a few seconds |
| 17:41.04 | mfrisch | mischko aide tripwire at install could have tracked the files |
| 17:41.20 | codex | KDE was upgraded to 44 and since then it stopped working properly. Any ideas? |
| 17:41.21 | mischko | sure. wasn't an option here. |
| 17:41.34 | nkuttler | woah, kde 44? |
| 17:41.44 | nagytalp | hmmm |
| 17:41.53 | mfrisch | mischko no you need to install it |
| 17:42.06 | mischko | yup. |
| 17:42.24 | codex | nkuttler: ii kde 44 the K Desktop Environment official modules |
| 17:42.30 | abrotman | !info kde sid |
| 17:42.34 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:44 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 17:42.37 | abrotman | it's a metapackage |
| 17:42.49 | abrotman | and ask #debian-kde |
| 17:42.51 | nagytalp | what command can listing my installed programs? |
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| 17:42.58 | abrotman | nagytalp: man dpkg |
| 17:42.59 | mlalkaka | nkuttler, what should the vga parameter be set to? |
| 17:43.06 | nagytalp | wow :))) |
| 17:43.07 | psychonate | Whenever I try to watch a stream with mozilla-mplayer, it won't play if the URL of the actual stream begins with rtsp://. If I copy the URL and change the rtsp:// portion to mms:// and leave the rest the same, the stream will play fine in mplayer. I suppose there is no way to get mozilla-mplayer to work around this "rtsp://" issue? |
| 17:43.13 | nkuttler | mlalkaka: dunno, google it |
| 17:43.24 | requiem_ | does anyone knows how do I install a file that it isn't in repo |
| 17:43.43 | nkuttler | mlalkaka: mine is 791, but i set it, like, five years ago and it may depend on your card |
| 17:43.44 | greycat | requiem_: cp(1) comes to mind. |
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| 17:43.52 | requiem_ | greenfly, ? |
| 17:44.06 | requiem_ | just install by cp ? |
| 17:44.07 | greycat | a single file? you just copy it. or download it. |
| 17:44.16 | masoft | :q |
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| 17:44.37 | requiem_ | I've got a the deb file |
| 17:44.43 | requiem_ | I just want to install it |
| 17:44.46 | greycat | requiem_: dpkg -i |
| 17:45.01 | UFO | lol |
| 17:45.06 | requiem_ | oh |
| 17:45.07 | requiem_ | :) |
| 17:45.09 | requiem_ | thanks |
| 17:45.10 | UFO | Windows firewall blocked Linux ARP requests |
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| 17:45.38 | Xylron | Probably a silly question, but why might a user be unable to chown a file that the user is the owner of? |
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| 17:45.54 | greycat | Xylron: because that user isn't root? |
| 17:45.55 | LSorensen | Xylron: if they don't have write permission to the directory containing the file |
| 17:46.00 | PerfDave | psychonate: There may be a greasemonkey script to do it. |
| 17:46.07 | greycat | LSorensen: that doesn't matter |
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| 17:46.34 | greycat | each different unix system either _does_ or _doesn't_ permit end users to chown their own files to "give them away". Linux _doesn't_. |
| 17:46.52 | LSorensen | oh chown. I read chmod. Silly me. |
| 17:47.06 | greycat | dir perms won't matter for chmod either |
| 17:47.12 | Xylron | why? That sims strange |
| 17:47.25 | Xylron | s/sims/seems/ |
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| 17:47.29 | greycat | Xylron: chown xylron /var/tmp/gay_midget_pr0n.jpg |
| 17:47.30 | LSorensen | Xylron: it means you can't take up other people's quota, and you can't make files and blame them on someone else |
| 17:47.50 | LSorensen | Xylron: unless you are root than you can fake anything |
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| 17:48.12 | LSorensen | Xylron: you can make the file readable by all and then the other user can copy it and own the copy. |
| 17:48.17 | Xylron | Do you actrually need to be root, or just any superuser? |
| 17:48.26 | greycat | when we say "root" we mean EUID=0 |
| 17:48.26 | LSorensen | Xylron: there is only one superuser and that is root |
| 17:48.40 | greycat | the letters "r", "o" and "t" aren't special |
| 17:48.42 | LSorensen | Xylron: you are either user 0 or you are not. there is no other options |
| 17:48.42 | deepa1 | my nick is deepan.. some bug has got in .. it is displayed as deepa1 ... can some one help me to change it.. |
| 17:48.53 | greycat | deepa1: /nick deepan |
| 17:48.54 | PerfDave | deepa1: "/nick deepan" |
| 17:49.14 | LSorensen | Xylron: permissions can be seup to seriously restrict what users can do, and some may have sudo access, but they are still just normal users. |
| 17:50.16 | deepan | thanks |
| 17:50.17 | Xylron | Normally that is true, however it is possible on a few unix style systems to grant superuser like perms to other users. Some systems did this via the wheel group, which iirc, granted most special rights of root, except the ability to 100% ignore file perms. |
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| 17:50.56 | greycat | Xylron: that would only work if the wheel group had special permissions on various files. |
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| 17:50.59 | r3v | greycat: actually "root" is special... have you ever switched root's username... lots of stuff doesn't work anymore :) |
| 17:51.15 | PerfDave | r3v: That's because "lots of stuff" is badly written ;) |
| 17:51.20 | greycat | r3v: I've worked in places where alternate root accounts were set up all the time. |
| 17:51.20 | mfrisch | Charlie Root |
| 17:51.28 | btwotch | hi, is here anybody, who wants to test my little cpufreq-throttling-program? You need to have cpufreq_userspace installed and I think you should have a 2.6.x kernel. |
| 17:51.28 | Xylron | Any program that soes not let you rename root is buggy |
| 17:51.33 | r3v | greycat: that's alot of script fixing |
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| 17:51.54 | r3v | PerfDave: yeah I know. I just thought it would be fun to change root's username |
| 17:52.03 | greycat | r3v: the key being "alternate" meaning "the line after root:---:0:0 will be kroot:---:0:0 with shell /bin/ksh" |
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| 17:52.41 | r3v | greycat: oh no... I just made there be no root, just another name with 0 ID ;-) |
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| 17:52.53 | me_here | %BanList( debian ); |
| 17:52.56 | greycat | r3v: if you find bugs when you do that, please file bug reports |
| 17:53.01 | me_here | %BanList( "debian" ); |
| 17:53.05 | greycat | me_here: stop it. |
| 17:53.15 | me_here | greycat: sorry |
| 17:53.18 | r3v | greycat: oh, I just figured I was being stupid. lots of init's don't work |
| 17:53.20 | wers | whats an easy way to make a iso image of a dvd? |
| 17:53.20 | tech13 | so how much breaks if you replace 'root' with 'john_doe' in /etc/{passwd,shadow,groups} ? |
| 17:53.23 | me_here | greycat: i'll stop |
| 17:53.24 | sursar | Hi - where can I find woody netinst CD image for sparc ? |
| 17:53.26 | ke6isf | !lart Pat Robertson |
| 17:53.44 | r3v | tech13: it'll work, just lots of stuff won't work right without fixing init stuff |
| 17:53.44 | me_here | greycat: i was just testing the scriptin engine :) |
| 17:53.49 | thingfish | !fuck Pat Robertson |
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| 17:54.30 | nkuttler | sursar: aren't there still some at debian.org? |
| 17:54.32 | ke6isf | thingfish: Dunno, I think a LART is plenty - but that's just me. |
| 17:54.55 | sursar | nkuttler: couldn't find any - give you _please_ give me a URL, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place or something |
| 17:55.00 | greycat | there are some things too disgusting to fuck. I believe pat robertson qualifies. |
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| 17:55.06 | thingfish | I take things to extremes, I guess. |
| 17:55.13 | sursar | s/give/ you/can you |
| 17:55.17 | me_here | i don't get it! is debian bsd based or what ? |
| 17:55.22 | greycat | me_here: no. |
| 17:55.25 | mfrisch | no |
| 17:55.40 | mlalkaka | nkuttler, what bootloader do you use? |
| 17:55.43 | wers | whats an easy way to make a iso image of a dvd? |
| 17:55.43 | btwotch | nobody? |
| 17:55.45 | mfrisch | but its ported |
| 17:55.46 | mlalkaka | nkuttler, grub or lilo? |
| 17:55.47 | greycat | although Linux in general does borrow a bit from BSD, it's more closely aligned with POSIX |
| 17:55.48 | nkuttler | sursar: i guess google is your friend here |
| 17:55.48 | PerfDave | me_here: Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is BSD-based. Debian GNU/Linux is Linux-based ;) |
| 17:56.12 | nkuttler | mlalkaka: how is that relevant? |
| 17:56.15 | asg | PerfDave: does kFreeBSD use SysV init? |
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| 17:56.37 | me_here | PerfDave: oh thx , i must have been looking some documents not intended for me :) |
| 17:56.37 | ke6isf | btwotch: Evidently not. |
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| 17:56.43 | PerfDave | asg: Not sure. I know it uses GNU libc, but I don't know what init system it has. |
| 17:56.45 | sursar | nkuttler: yeah, that didn't work out either - can't seem to find it anywhere... |
| 17:56.52 | mlalkaka | nkuttler, i wanted to know whether your suggestion of vga=ask will work on my bootloader. i use grub |
| 17:57.01 | asg | PerfDave: so it might be a BSD based System V then? :) |
| 17:57.11 | PerfDave | asg: :) |
| 17:57.22 | nkuttler | mlalkaka: it is passed to the kernel, the bootloader does nothing with it |
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| 17:57.59 | nkuttler | sursar: #debian-sparc |
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| 17:58.24 | Xylron | Ideally root would be just be an account that ignores file perms. All other special rights of root (such as chroot [Dangerous, obviously], chown, etc) should be able to be delagated to users. This is actually just for more safty. Less things that absoluely need root access, which is dangerous mainly because root ignore perms. Those users should be trusr=ted enough for root acces though. Sudo... |
| 17:58.25 | Xylron | ...does not do this right, as 'sudo rm /' can be deadly, whereas 'su nearlyroot -c rm /' would not be. |
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| 17:58.51 | onlinebacon | hello |
| 17:59.12 | onlinebacon | anyone know where i can download the full XFree86.deb file from please? |
| 17:59.13 | me_here | PerfDave: are there any constraints on installing rpm packs on debian ? |
| 17:59.14 | sh02 | Xylron: Well, there are linux capabilities. Mostly missing fs support. |
| 17:59.26 | nkuttler | onlinebacon: /msg dpkg faq, /msg dpkg set up x |
| 17:59.30 | greycat | rm / isn't going to hurt. not without the -rf in it. |
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| 17:59.36 | me_here | PerfDave: do i have to use equivs and alien and first convert ? |
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| 17:59.44 | sursar | nkuttler: no one is replying there :-) |
| 17:59.45 | onlinebacon | thanks |
| 18:00.00 | Xylron | greycat: yes, but you get the idea. |
| 18:00.00 | nkuttler | sursar: you need more patience :) |
| 18:00.06 | sursar | nkuttler: it is (or should it be) this difficult to find an older netinst version ? |
| 18:00.13 | onlinebacon | its just my debian machine doesnt have internet, i just need a file |
| 18:00.31 | nkuttler | sursar: i don't have any sparc hardware and wouldn't install woody any more |
| 18:00.35 | lord_nox | hello |
| 18:00.38 | PerfDave | me_here: It's rarely a good idea to use RPMs on Debian. Even if they do work (and they're not guaranteed) they can cause hassle in the long run. What are you actually trying to do? |
| 18:00.38 | Gathond | onlinebacon: no, you need alot of files :) |
| 18:00.48 | greycat | !depends x-window-system-core sarge |
| 18:00.49 | onlinebacon | ah ok, thanks dude :) |
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| 18:00.58 | greycat | onlinebacon: see packages.debian.org for starters. |
| 18:00.59 | onlinebacon | have to work on getting it on the net then ;) |
| 18:01.02 | onlinebacon | thanks |
| 18:01.04 | Gathond | onlinebacon: most are probably on CD1 though |
| 18:01.06 | dpkg | x-window-system-core: depends on xserver-xfree86, xlibmesa-dri, xlibmesa-gl, xlibmesa-glu, xfonts-base (>> 4.0), xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi, xfonts-scalable, xbase-clients, xutils |
| 18:01.23 | greycat | that's just the *first* level of dependence. |
| 18:01.33 | onlinebacon | what else would i need? |
| 18:01.35 | sursar | nkuttler: there is a serious issue with sarge and sparc - lots of people are getting 'Kernel panic: VFS: Unbale to mount root fs on 00:00' - the only recommendation I've heard id to go back to woody - thus the question |
| 18:01.45 | greycat | onlinebacon: either an internet connection or the full ISO image #1. |
| 18:01.50 | lord_nox | can someone tell me how i install a .deb file? |
| 18:01.51 | penny | welcome to hell |
| 18:01.52 | onlinebacon | thanks dude :D |
| 18:01.53 | greycat | onlinebacon: don't screw around. |
| 18:01.58 | psychonate | Can someone recommend an easy guide to compiling source debs? |
| 18:02.02 | Gathond | lord_nox: dpkg -i |
| 18:02.03 | greycat | psychonate: /msg dpkg source |
| 18:02.04 | sursar | but I can't find a netinst woody for sparc anywhere.... |
| 18:02.20 | onlinebacon | sorry? |
| 18:02.25 | Xylron | what i want to know is how i got a subdirectory of /usr to be owned by a normal user. /usr is wraitable only by root. Perhaps long ago i chowned it. |
| 18:02.28 | Gathond | psychonate: www.debian.org (the link to maintainers corner, then new maintainer guide) |
| 18:02.29 | greycat | sursar: #debian-sparc might know |
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| 18:02.40 | lord_nox | greycat, thanks |
| 18:02.53 | sursar | greycat: as noted - no reply thus far :-/ |
| 18:02.54 | me_here | PerfDave: i once installed mupad and scilab successfully from SuSE rpm's on debian, but wanted now to assure myself if it is ok generally |
| 18:03.00 | psychonate | the info greycat sent me to sounds fairly simple |
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| 18:03.18 | greycat | me_here: applications are usually OK. drivers, system utilities, etc. are generally *not*. |
| 18:03.27 | nkuttler | psychonate: you ask for an easy guide, do you want something harder? |
| 18:03.28 | me_here | greycat: thx |
| 18:03.32 | greycat | scilab sounds awfully like an application to me... |
| 18:03.39 | greycat | no clue what a mupad is. |
| 18:04.14 | me_here | greycat: algebra, math application |
| 18:04.26 | psychonate | no, I'm saying that I think the small howto offered by dpkg (courtesy of greycat) will suffice :) |
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| 18:04.35 | OneSeventeen | I have a debian webserver and want to setup sftp, any tips? |
| 18:04.35 | r3v | me_here: scilab is on debian... why'd u use the rpm anyways? |
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| 18:05.02 | ZeroEnna | Hi @ all |
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| 18:05.46 | n | Could somebody please tell me where I can download the source deb for plptools-kde? |
| 18:05.50 | ZeroEnna | Question: On the Debian Server are 14 ISO-Files. Which one should I download? |
| 18:05.57 | jethro | 4 |
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| 18:06.22 | ZeroEnna | what does the others consist of? |
| 18:06.25 | penny | debootstrap |
| 18:06.41 | nkuttler | ZeroEnna: get the netinst image |
| 18:06.43 | nagytalp | bye |
| 18:06.50 | stew | ZeroEnna: if you are installing on a machine with network access you only need a first or a 110mb netinst |
| 18:06.54 | OneSeventeen | meaning, I have just installed debian and selected webserver, SQL, graphical desktop, and now I want to be able to sftp into that webserver to modify the site, but have no idea how to start the sftp service/manage sftp users |
| 18:07.01 | n | debian source archive link anyone? |
| 18:07.10 | ZeroEnna | the Netinst |
| 18:07.18 | ZeroEnna | allright, thanks for the helü |
| 18:07.21 | ZeroEnna | ü=p |
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| 18:07.31 | n | I need the source to the debian package plptools-kde |
| 18:07.37 | ke6isf | !repeat |
| 18:07.37 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:07.42 | PerfDave | me_here: It's a crapshoot. It may work, it may not, it may work but cause other problems later. |
| 18:07.43 | greycat | n: packages.debian.org/ |
| 18:07.44 | me_here | r3v: it was at a time i had no internet connection and only an rpm version of scilab |
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| 18:08.36 | stew | n: there is no such debian package |
| 18:08.38 | PerfDave | ZeroEnna: You wan tto read the installation manual, it tells you what your installation options are. |
| 18:09.58 | SargeSurge | i just installed sarge..I have an Asus mb with nForce video. even after doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choosing reasonable settings, my X does not work..the screen just goes blank and the pc 'hangs'. ANy ideas what I am doing wrong? |
| 18:10.35 | PerfDave | SargeSurge: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 18:10.42 | n | stew: your right! There is such a package for SUSE 9.3, guess I'll just have to get that source instead |
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| 18:10.49 | PerfDave | SargeSurge: When it "hangs", try pressing Ctrl-Alt-backspace to kill any X that's running. |
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| 18:11.02 | psychonate | How can I see what repository a package is from? |
| 18:11.07 | SargeSurge | PerfDave it does not get to the point of starting the X server.. |
| 18:11.09 | psychonate | an installed package |
| 18:11.15 | SargeSurge | PerfDave could this be an nvidia issue? |
| 18:11.19 | JoshH | SargeSurge: what do you mean by "reasonable settings", and also, are you using the nv driver or the nvidia driver? |
| 18:11.25 | JoshH | SargeSurge: it probably is |
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| 18:11.41 | PerfDave | SargeSurge: If the screen's going blank, it's probably trying to start the x server. It's very hard to say without more information. |
| 18:11.44 | SargeSurge | JoshH I did nto specifically download/configure any nv driver |
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| 18:11.48 | greycat | psychonate: there's generally no such datum stored anywhere. |
| 18:11.52 | PerfDave | SargeSurge: How are you trying to start X after reconfiguring it? |
| 18:11.52 | blaster999 | hi all |
| 18:11.56 | JoshH | SargeSurge: when you configured x, what driver did you choose? |
| 18:11.58 | me_here | greycat: what cvs repositorys are there on debian.org ? |
| 18:12.05 | SargeSurge | PerfDave by just typing X |
| 18:12.10 | greycat | me_here: probably damned few. |
| 18:12.10 | SargeSurge | JoshH vesa |
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| 18:12.14 | PerfDave | SargeSurge: Not "startx" or using a login manager? |
| 18:12.17 | JoshH | choose nv |
| 18:12.33 | JoshH | and make sure you get the settings for the monitor correct, google for your model to get the frequencies |
| 18:12.34 | SargeSurge | JoshH okay..i'll give it a try |
| 18:12.37 | blaster999 | Who the F**K is MoniTor? Some kind of a spam bot? |
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| 18:12.50 | JoshH | also make sure you get the right mouse device |
| 18:12.53 | SargeSurge | JoshH well, I basically shose the same settings that worked for me when I was using potato |
| 18:12.58 | Eugen | hello. how can i block from NAT one host? i added the yesterday here advised iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.64 -j DROP to my firewll script but in iftop i see that he can still access the net through the nat |
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| 18:13.13 | SargeSurge | JoshH I formatted and reinstalled with Sarge and they stopped working |
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| 18:13.20 | asg | Eugen: did you ask #iptables? |
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| 18:13.29 | Eugen | ehm... not yet |
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| 18:13.34 | JoshH | lol you had potato on your desktop pc until now? |
| 18:13.43 | SargeSurge | JoshH umm...yes |
| 18:13.50 | me_here | greycat: where can i get a listing of'em (cvs repositorys on debian) ? |
| 18:13.54 | blaster999 | is there a way to install kde 3.4.x on Debian? |
| 18:13.55 | JoshH | heh |
| 18:13.57 | SargeSurge | JoshH it worked great, until I began to itch for 'something new' :) |
| 18:14.09 | greycat | me_here: I *really* doubt you'll find whatever it is you seek in CVS. |
| 18:14.13 | Ungy | crap I forgot how to get a channel list from IRC |
| 18:14.15 | greycat | me_here: ask the debian-devel mailing list. |
| 18:14.25 | asg | Ungy: /msg chanserv help |
| 18:14.26 | drac | blaster999: KDE 3.4.2 is in Unstable.. |
| 18:14.45 | blaster999 | drac: thanks. I'll check it out |
| 18:14.49 | mlalkaka | nkuttler, thanks |
| 18:14.53 | valdyn_ | Eugen: then also add a iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.10.64 -j DROP |
| 18:14.55 | abrotman | drac: are you going to fix his system? |
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| 18:15.05 | Eugen | valdyn: i tried that too .... |
| 18:15.08 | nkuttler | blaster999: /topic |
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| 18:15.11 | drac | blaster999: I said it's on Unstable, so you better just wait. |
| 18:15.13 | Ungy | LIST net |
| 18:15.15 | N-0-X | hello |
| 18:15.17 | drac | abrotman: Sorry, didn't mean it like that ;) |
| 18:15.18 | valdyn_ | Eugen: from the manpage: ... INPUT (for packets destined to local sockets) |
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| 18:15.39 | abrotman | drac: don't tell people to use unstable unless you know it's at least installable .. and they know how to migrate to unstable |
| 18:15.55 | abrotman | !tell knoppix_ about knoppix |
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| 18:16.00 | drac | abrotman: Unstable is pretty self explanatory.. |
| 18:16.02 | trc | something weird happened to me: started afterstep in vt8, clicked the icon for www, and the browser opened in vt7, where i have gnome running |
| 18:16.10 | abrotman | drac: right .. because a newb knows that .. |
| 18:16.12 | greycat | drac: you'd be surprised. |
| 18:16.26 | LinuxHungry | !tell knoppix_ about knoppix |
| 18:16.36 | abrotman | i think i did that |
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| 18:16.44 | valdyn_ | Eugen: you cannot just add a rule with -A and expect it to do anything, since the first fitting rule is used, if your packet was routed before then just adding a rule might not do anything at all. |
| 18:16.45 | greycat | and it helps if they didn't just quit. |
| 18:16.57 | coreyo | if I use xev, most of my laptop hotkeys are mapped to keycodes that already exist as common keys on the keyboard. Is there any way to differentiate them? |
| 18:17.07 | EmleyMoor | Why might a program say "no such file or directory" for one of its shared libraries? |
| 18:17.17 | valdyn_ | Eugen: insert it on top ( -I iirc ) |
| 18:17.26 | greycat | EmleyMoor: ldconfig |
| 18:17.26 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: oh i know .. cause it's not there! |
| 18:17.32 | Gathond | EmleyMoor: probably because it cant find that file |
| 18:17.32 | Ungy | envisions blaster reinstalling later |
| 18:17.37 | EmleyMoor | greycat: Done that - still failing |
| 18:17.43 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: It is there |
| 18:17.45 | greycat | EmleyMoor: more details, then. |
| 18:17.48 | EmleyMoor | Gathond: Why not? |
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| 18:17.59 | Ungy | EmleyMoor, rights? |
| 18:18.05 | Angel-SL | is there a mms:// protocol surported protocol? |
| 18:18.05 | Eugen | valdyn: aha, on top? i added in on bottom |
| 18:18.11 | SargeSurge1 | JoshH aww..it froze even after choosing nv.. |
| 18:18.13 | EmleyMoor | greycat: The library (libobexftp.0) is in /usr/local/lib |
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| 18:18.24 | greycat | EmleyMoor: and is /usr/local/lib in your ld.so.conf? |
| 18:18.26 | Angel-SL | is there a mms:// protocol surported protocol? |
| 18:18.36 | asg | !tell Angel-SL about repeat |
| 18:18.36 | Angel-SL | !mms |
| 18:18.37 | dpkg | mms is probably console mpg123 frontend, with nice ncurses interface which can be found in debian source format at http://yacoob.dnsalias.net/debian/, or the protocol used by Windows Media Player (probably stands for Mostly Microsoft Stuff), or mplayer -dumpstream mms://blah |
| 18:18.46 | EmleyMoor | greycat: Yes |
| 18:18.50 | Angel-SL | w000t |
| 18:18.59 | greycat | EmleyMoor: then it's probably linked for a different OS/version/etc. |
| 18:19.01 | valdyn_ | Eugen: so that rule is probably never used. |
| 18:19.05 | greycat | maybe even a different arch. |
| 18:19.08 | SargeSurge1 | JoshH the screen does not even 'blink' when i type X, the way it should when switching to X..it freezes before that...and ctrl+alt+bkspace does not work either..the keyboard stops working and i have to power off |
| 18:19.15 | EmleyMoor | greycat: I just compiled it on the very machine I want to use it on |
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| 18:19.26 | greycat | EmleyMoor: you can use ldd(1) on shard libs, too. |
| 18:19.28 | greycat | shared* |
| 18:19.42 | Ungy | SargeSurge, my guess is you configured it wrong |
| 18:19.49 | JoshH | SargeSurge: you probably either have some flaky hardware, weird hardware, or an extremely messed up XF86Config |
| 18:19.56 | quitte | is there a debian/kfreebsd channel somewhere? |
| 18:20.03 | greycat | #debian-bsd |
| 18:20.05 | SargeSurge1 | JoshH i see. thanks |
| 18:20.12 | EmleyMoor | greycat: OK - but how will that help? |
| 18:20.19 | greycat | ooooooh, a whole 1 person! |
| 18:20.35 | greycat | EmleyMoor: what did it say? |
| 18:20.40 | JoshH | lol |
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| 18:21.06 | EmleyMoor | libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6 |
| 18:21.26 | greycat | does that exist? |
| 18:21.27 | EmleyMoor | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
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| 18:22.00 | EmleyMoor | Yes to both |
| 18:22.15 | valdyn_ | EmleyMoor: you ran ldconfig ? |
| 18:22.23 | EmleyMoor | valdyn_: Twice! |
| 18:22.26 | greycat | EmleyMoor: what does ldd say on your application program, then? |
| 18:23.14 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... three "not found"! |
| 18:23.36 | Eugen | valdyn_ thanks, it seems it somehow works |
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| 18:24.05 | SargeSurge1 | bah...dpkg told me a webpage with nvidia-howto, but that page requires flash 7.0 ..I am using lynx. how the hell am i supposed to view a page about installing X drivers through a gui browser? |
| 18:24.21 | asg | SargeSurge1: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 18:24.22 | greycat | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:24.22 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 18:24.23 | EmleyMoor | Somehow need to rework it to persuade it that /usr/local/lib is the right place to look |
| 18:24.47 | greycat | EmleyMoor: I suspect you have more fundamental concerns. |
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| 18:25.04 | EmleyMoor | greycat: I suspect not, looking at another machine on which the self-same works |
| 18:25.40 | Lee__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.06 | EmleyMoor | Lee__: It's already there |
| 18:26.10 | SargeSurge1 | Hmm...i installed sarge through 3 cdroms..my sources.list does not have any http:// reposistories...is there aa standard list somewhere that I can append to sources.list and then apt-get update? |
| 18:26.15 | stew | greycat: i would agree |
| 18:26.23 | valdyn_ | SargeSurge1: run apt-setup |
| 18:26.29 | SargeSurge1 | valdyn_ ok |
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| 18:26.42 | greycat | dpkg, nvidia one-liner =~ s#echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia#modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules# |
| 18:26.42 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 18:27.02 | greycat | SargeSurge1: are you still on potato, or is this a fresh reinstall? |
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| 18:27.34 | SargeSurge1 | greycat this is a fresh reinstall |
| 18:27.43 | greycat | ok. |
| 18:27.58 | SargeSurge1 | greycat i backed up my stuff on a spare partition and reinstalled. right now am in text mode and bitchx and lynx |
| 18:28.11 | greycat | use the one-liner. |
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| 18:28.25 | SargeSurge1 | greycat yeah...just updating my sources.list first |
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| 18:28.56 | bitshifty | woo i figured out how to use screen. |
| 18:29.07 | jethro | !win bitshifty |
| 18:29.08 | dpkg | Congratulations, bitshifty! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 18:29.16 | bitshifty | hooray! |
| 18:29.31 | bitshifty | !beer jethro |
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| 18:29.53 | ex | Has anyone else experienced a graphical glitch when they set their background image and it corrupts their display in gnome 2.10 (I'm running from debian sid) http://coldiso.org/~jinx/glitchy.jpg |
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| 18:33.22 | bonnie | Hi. I've get a mounted vfat partition, which I can add and remove files from as a normal user. However, when I try to delete a file from the partition using nautilus, I won't do it... any suggestions? |
| 18:33.36 | greycat | what's the error? |
| 18:33.52 | SargeSurge1 | i did apt-setup and it added the stable branch from the India mirror..now, do i just replicate the lines replacing stable with unstable and testing to pull in the other two? |
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| 18:34.14 | stew | SargeSurge1: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 18:34.19 | greycat | SargeSurge1: don't run unstable. |
| 18:34.28 | bonnie | greycat, when I look at the permission of the file in nautilus, it doesn't think I have any read, write, or execute permissions |
| 18:34.56 | greycat | bonnie: do you? |
| 18:34.59 | SargeSurge1 | stew :) |
| 18:35.16 | SargeSurge1 | greycat ok..no unstable..but in order to run testing, do I just replace stable with testing ? |
| 18:35.27 | greycat | SargeSurge1: if you're sure that's what you want, yes. |
| 18:35.53 | bonnie | greycat, sorry, I think nautilus might think I have rw permissions, since they are all "checked" but greyed out. |
| 18:36.02 | bonnie | greycat, I can add/remove files from the CLI, no problem |
| 18:36.03 | stew | SargeSurge1: though its not a good idea to mix the two distributions, go entirely with one or the other, and know that once you move from stable to testing there is no going back |
| 18:36.15 | greycat | bonnie: if ls(1) says you have read perms and nautilus says you don't, file a bug report. |
| 18:36.19 | bonnie | but nautilus doesn't even give me the option to delete, and when I drag a file to the trash it just stays ther |
| 18:36.28 | SargeSurge1 | greycat well, my logic is this...I ran Ubuntu live before installing Sarge, and it seemed it was using debina unstable...so i thought it was perhaps not all that bad |
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| 18:36.47 | bonnie | greycat, thanks, I'll try #gnome too |
| 18:36.52 | greycat | that's some fucked-up logic. |
| 18:37.00 | SargeSurge1 | stew well, won't testing give me the latest versions of most software? |
| 18:37.08 | SargeSurge1 | greycat i think so too :) |
| 18:37.32 | stew | SargeSurge1: since sarge was just released, both unstable and testing are both fast moving targets with many bugs |
| 18:37.37 | SargeSurge1 | greycat but if the ubuntu guys get away with using unstable..for a useable desktop... |
| 18:37.52 | greycat | SargeSurge1: I believe they used a *snapshot* of unstable. |
| 18:38.00 | stew | SargeSurge1: and no testing wont necessarily get you the latest versions, and you'll never get security patches |
| 18:38.05 | greycat | but ask #ubuntu to be sure. |
| 18:38.15 | dondelelcaro | stew: actually, that's changing... |
| 18:38.17 | greycat | stew: never say never... |
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| 18:38.29 | stew | dondelelcaro: security is going to start supporting testing? |
| 18:38.40 | greycat | stew: it's been planned for a while now |
| 18:38.42 | dondelelcaro | stew: testing security is comming along; I don't know when it's going to be totally ready, but there are about 15 people working on it |
| 18:38.49 | stew | oh, neato |
| 18:38.58 | SargeSurge1 | stew and greycat on the whole, after talking to you guys, i think I should stick to stable :) |
| 18:39.03 | greycat | it was supposed to happen when sarge released |
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| 18:39.12 | sgeigerbot | Is there a command to output the name of a file without its extension? |
| 18:39.13 | EmleyMoor | Bizarrely, the version of obexftp I compiled on my other machine works fine on this one too... no idea why a local compile won't work |
| 18:39.22 | r3v | sgeigerbot: basename |
| 18:39.27 | greycat | sgeigerbot: echo ${variable%.*} |
| 18:39.31 | stew | SargeSurge1: if there are a few packages that you need newer versions of look for a backport or backport it yoruself, /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:39.31 | sgeigerbot | r3v: no, that's the name of th efile without the path. |
| 18:39.43 | greycat | sgeigerbot: basename *can* do it, with options. |
| 18:39.48 | r3v | sgeigerbot: you can make it do it without the extension :-P |
| 18:39.55 | sgeigerbot | cool...I didn't know that. |
| 18:39.56 | greycat | but the parameter expansion is more efficient if you don't require bourne shell compat. |
| 18:39.56 | r3v | sgeigerbot: man it |
| 18:40.18 | greycat | r3v: and you, man bash, search for "Parameter Expansion" ;-) |
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| 18:40.55 | r3v | greycat: no |
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| 18:41.26 | r3v | greycat: I'm not manning stuff for other people... my way works fine for me :) |
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| 18:41.39 | euth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.55 | greycat | eventually you will learn the ${foo%.*} stuff. |
| 18:41.55 | Slippy | !greenhouse |
| 18:41.55 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
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| 18:41.59 | SargeSurge1 | stew my sources.list reads deb http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian stable main contrib non-free .. does that sound okay? even though it does not mention 'sarge' anywhere |
| 18:42.14 | greycat | SargeSurge1: stable == sarge right now. |
| 18:42.26 | SargeSurge1 | greycat oh |
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| 18:42.44 | ryker | !greenhouse |
| 18:42.44 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
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| 18:42.53 | neoXite | Hi, where would be a good place to ask for assistance with compiling a special hardware driver for sarge? |
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| 18:43.25 | greycat | neoXite: install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) and make sure your cc command uses them |
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| 18:44.03 | greycat | hmm.... a registered tor user. |
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| 18:45.04 | SargeSurge1 | Hmm...i notice that sarge is using kernel 2.4.27...is there a way to upgrade to 2.6 without doing a manual recompile? |
| 18:45.08 | neoXite | greycat: i got that far, its probably just some noob mistake.. |
| 18:45.15 | greycat | SargeSurge1: yes. |
| 18:45.30 | stew | SargeSurge1: yes, that is fine. currently stable is just a symlink to sarge on the servers, it will only make a difference when etch is released as the new stable which probably wont happen for a while |
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| 18:45.50 | greycat | SargeSurge1: apt-cache search kernel image 2.6 |
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| 18:45.58 | stew | SargeSurge1: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-arch where arch is 386/686/k7/etc |
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| 18:46.12 | SargeSurge1 | greycat and stew thanks |
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| 18:47.13 | giojotoca | hello |
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| 18:47.27 | giojotoca | what do you doing |
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| 18:48.13 | jason^ | does testing get security updates? |
| 18:48.22 | stew | jason^: not currently |
| 18:48.45 | jason^ | so what should i use for a laptop then? |
| 18:48.55 | jason^ | just a personal machine |
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| 18:50.05 | greycat | stable, unless you have a specific reason not to |
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| 18:54.46 | StarFire | I have a problem with the lintian errors: no-shlibs-control-file |
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| 18:55.47 | StarFire | That package provides a binary that uses some shared libraries and these libraries comes with the package... |
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| 18:57.00 | abrotman | greycat: still around? |
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| 18:57.34 | greycat | yes |
| 18:57.38 | EvilSporkMan | at the bottom of the mail i got from /etc/cron.daily/chkrootkit was the line INFECTED (PORTS: 1008)...I checked to see what was running on that port, and it turned out to be famd. is this a legitimate problem? |
| 18:57.44 | abrotman | greycat: Zeynep-[23f] is spamming |
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| 18:58.09 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: only if you don't run gnome :) |
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| 18:58.19 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: I don't run gnome :X |
| 18:58.26 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: have you ever run gnome? |
| 18:58.37 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: is fam or famd installed on your box ? |
| 18:58.37 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: not as such, no |
| 18:58.43 | ecobit | i'm installing from a d-i testing netinst, and tty1 is all blue with off-centered text saying "grep: menu/.mnu: No such file or directory INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" |
| 18:58.44 | EvilSporkMan | fam is installed |
| 18:58.50 | abrotman | then that's why ... |
| 18:58.50 | abrotman | !fam |
| 18:58.51 | dpkg | i guess fam is a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source |
| 18:58.58 | greycat | that's two in a row from 81.212.112.* |
| 18:59.11 | *** mode/#debian [-bb *!*@81.212.112.243 *!*@81.212.112.238] by greycat |
| 18:59.14 | EvilSporkMan | then why does chkrootkit flag it as a problem? |
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| 18:59.48 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... all fine now except obextool - it says can't read "msg" - no such variable |
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| 18:59.57 | ecobit | then after 5 min it flashes repeatedly "Configuring base system" |
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| 19:00.17 | xbm-x | ok guys this is really mess up |
| 19:00.20 | xbm-x | http://sean.chittenden.org/humor/iToilet/ |
| 19:00.45 | ecobit | what is the name of the program it first runs when you remove the CD and reboot from the installer? |
| 19:00.58 | EmleyMoor | Ah, I can see the problem |
| 19:01.02 | stew | ecobit: are you trying to install sarge or etch? |
| 19:01.07 | ecobit | etch |
| 19:01.09 | EvilSporkMan | ecobit: base-config |
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| 19:01.59 | stew | ecobit: check the bts for debian-installer, but the etch installer has been reported to be very buggy recently, you might want to just insatll sarge and dist-upgrade |
| 19:01.59 | ecobit | okay. guess i will try another version of it |
| 19:02.11 | xbm-x | hate this site http://sean.chittenden.org/humor/iToilet/ |
| 19:02.13 | ecobit | stew: yeah i might do that |
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| 19:02.30 | ecliptik_ | for some reason whenever I try to do an apt-get update or even just an update-menus I get segmentation faults, any ideas on what could be wrong? |
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| 19:02.49 | Lee__ | are you running sid? |
| 19:03.38 | StarFire | I have a problem with the lintian errors: no-shlibs-control-file |
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| 19:03.42 | StarFire | That package provides a binary that uses some shared libraries and these libraries comes with the package... |
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| 19:04.05 | cbr | hasn't anybody ever thought of making the output of dpkg and apt-get colourful for easier tracking? |
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| 19:04.15 | abrotman | cbr: submit a patch |
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| 19:04.29 | greycat | make it flash too! |
| 19:04.33 | stew | sweet |
| 19:04.33 | cbr | i'm not competent enough to make on abrotman :p |
| 19:04.38 | cbr | greycat: dont go extreme |
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| 19:04.45 | Lee__ | I think flash only would be the best |
| 19:04.57 | abrotman | cbr: you could learn :) |
| 19:04.58 | stew | yeah and debconf needs a falsh option |
| 19:04.59 | greycat | and make them require X! with 3D! |
| 19:05.03 | jazzmanss | how do I get lame working under sarge with grip? |
| 19:05.04 | EvilSporkMan | i think we should change the name of apt-get to emerge @_@ |
| 19:05.07 | Lee__ | word! |
| 19:05.24 | Lee__ | jazzmanss: install it from the marillat repo |
| 19:05.27 | drac | apt-get using composite extension.. mmm.. |
| 19:05.31 | cbr | greycat: those arent arguments, i hope you know that ;) a colourful output needs no extra deps, it just makes it more easy to use |
| 19:05.34 | greycat | cbr: which part of the output did you have trouble finding? |
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| 19:05.44 | EvilSporkMan | doesn't less choke on color? |
| 19:05.46 | Lee__ | !tell jazzmanss about marillat |
| 19:05.48 | cbr | greycat: i didnt have trouble, it would just simplify things |
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| 19:06.00 | greycat | EvilSporkMan: sometimes. |
| 19:06.05 | EvilSporkMan | cbr: it would burn the eyes |
| 19:06.10 | greycat | cbr: so it's a personal preference. |
| 19:06.19 | greycat | cbr: you could add a --color flag, then. |
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| 19:06.27 | takatumi | EvilSporkMan: -R usually works. |
| 19:06.38 | SargeSurge | i am going through the nvidia one-liner..with i do m-a a-i nvidia, i get a message saying that installation of nvidia-kernel-source failed and i might be missing contrib non-free in my sources.list. however, my sources.list is correct, and when i manually do apt-get isntall nvidia-kernel-source, it says that the package has no installation candidate. what should i do? |
| 19:06.46 | evilbulgarian | debian rocks!!! :) just wanted to get that off my chest! |
| 19:06.48 | jazzmanss | Lee_, does the marillat repo also have debian 64? |
| 19:06.48 | greycat | takatumi: at the cost of no longer being able to track the actual width of each line :/ |
| 19:06.49 | cbr | greycat: yes.. the output of gentoo's emerge is just so much nicer to look at, i'm just trying to help and express my ideas, not make debian less debian or smth |
| 19:07.00 | greycat | !advocacy troll |
| 19:07.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, advocacy troll is a term that greycat made up to describe a troll who demands action (typically unreasonable or unachievable) "for the good of Debian". Example: "Debian needs to have a graphical installer to make it easier for end users to increase its market share!" Example: "The BTS should have a web interface for submitting bugs so we can have vague, misspelled, irreproducible PEBKAC errors and no way to contact the ... |
| 19:07.01 | Lee__ | color is nice. fileutils are the bomb. |
| 19:07.15 | takatumi | greycat: yeah, it ain't perfect. :( |
| 19:07.18 | greycat | damned truncating bot! |
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| 19:07.42 | EvilSporkMan | cbr: i find emerge difficult to follow because everything just scrolls, so all you can tell is that there _was_ something important, thanks to the color =P |
| 19:07.48 | Lee__ | jazzmanss: check it out. I'm not sure. |
| 19:08.14 | cbr | EvilSporkMan: you are talking about the compiler output? |
| 19:08.18 | jazzmanss | thanks Lee_ |
| 19:08.23 | ecobit | PEBKAC? |
| 19:08.24 | Lee__ | color is good. I think cbr should submit a patch and give us the option of using color. |
| 19:08.30 | greycat | !PEBKAC |
| 19:08.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 19:08.47 | ecobit | lol |
| 19:08.48 | Bac9 | what's on ports 1026/1027/1028 udp that keep hitting my fierwall? |
| 19:08.54 | EvilSporkMan | apt-get's in perl? |
| 19:09.00 | greycat | no, C++ |
| 19:09.06 | StarFire | In which channel I get help on packaging? |
| 19:09.08 | r3v | greycat: no 'id 10 t' errors? |
| 19:09.11 | zinx | Bac9: what makes you think there's anything on them? |
| 19:09.12 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.13 | Lee__ | there are some Perl deps, no? |
| 19:09.14 | cbr | does debian's fileutils only depend on coreutils, and nothing more? |
| 19:09.22 | greycat | Lee__: debconf is perl |
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| 19:09.29 | SargeSurge | hey, even nvidia-glx has no installation candidate...and i just did apt-get update...does it mean that the bot's one-liner screwed up? |
| 19:09.36 | Lee__ | ah, that's it |
| 19:09.39 | greycat | cbr: apt-cache show pkgname | grep -i depend |
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| 19:10.07 | greycat | SargeSurge: did you add non-free and contrib? |
| 19:10.10 | btwotch | !rtfm |
| 19:10.10 | dpkg | i heard rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 19:10.12 | tombs | is there any place(website) that contains a port lists? |
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| 19:10.21 | SargeSurge | greycat yes..and it did apt-get update after that |
| 19:10.25 | greycat | tombs: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 19:11.09 | Bac9 | zinx: as I said they're hitting my firewall, so I was wondering what could be causing them |
| 19:11.11 | Lee__ | tombs: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 19:11.25 | tombs | wow, thanx |
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| 19:11.32 | greycat | !find nvidia-glx sarge |
| 19:11.34 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'nvidia-glx' (2): nvidia-glx ;; nvidia-glx-dev. |
| 19:11.43 | greycat | tombs: they're just *suggested* ports. |
| 19:11.50 | greycat | SargeSurge: double-check your source.list enry |
| 19:11.51 | greycat | entry* |
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| 19:12.03 | Lee__ | port 31337 is my favorite |
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| 19:12.14 | gpm | hi. what library(ies) do i need to play m4a files? i can't install mplayer for some reason (marillat's screwed up), so i just want to be able to play them in xine |
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| 19:12.22 | SargeSurge | greycat perhaps i should try the USA mirror |
| 19:12.29 | tombs | greycat, but what you gave me is about the open ports...I would like to see all ports existing |
| 19:12.30 | btwotch | vago: guckst du |
| 19:12.32 | btwotch | !fam |
| 19:12.32 | dpkg | i guess fam is a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source |
| 19:12.32 | gpm | or if anyone knows of a non-mplayer tool to convert m4a to mp3? |
| 19:12.39 | greycat | tombs: man services |
| 19:12.49 | greycat | tombs: THEY ARE JUST SUGGESTED NUMBERS! Nothing more! |
| 19:12.53 | Lee__ | fam also makes it hard to eject removable media. |
| 19:13.02 | greycat | tombs: you can run your HTTP service on port 700 if you like. |
| 19:13.27 | EvilSporkMan | ugh...someone's trying to brute-force my ssh server at work |
| 19:13.37 | stew | EvilSporkMan: welcome to the internet |
| 19:13.39 | tombs | greycat, ok....thanx |
| 19:13.44 | Lee__ | everyone is trying to brute force everyone else's ssh server |
| 19:13.46 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: i'd run it on port 1 or 65535 |
| 19:14.04 | Lee__ | EvilSporkMan: make an IP white list and block everything else. |
| 19:14.45 | greycat | Lee__: depends on his needs. |
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| 19:15.37 | tarzeau | streuner: da? |
| 19:15.40 | Lee__ | run sshd on port 31337 |
| 19:15.52 | greycat | be aware that some ISPs may block port 31337 |
| 19:16.15 | Lee__ | sorry. I'm only half serious. |
| 19:16.25 | greycat | even better, run it on 137 :) |
| 19:16.26 | SerajewelKS | greycat, are you serious? |
| 19:16.29 | greycat | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 19:16.33 | greycat | not about the 137 part... |
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| 19:16.40 | Lee__ | hell, optonline blocks port 80 inbound! |
| 19:16.41 | SerajewelKS | that's hilarious |
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| 19:17.02 | EvilSporkMan | i have challengeresponseauthentication off...will reporting the guy to his ISP help any? |
| 19:17.14 | Ronin | EvilSporkMan: not likely |
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| 19:17.36 | nkuttler | SerajewelKS: google port 31337 to learn why |
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| 19:17.43 | gpm | anyone knows of a non-mplayer tool to convert m4a to mp3? |
| 19:17.57 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler, worm? |
| 19:18.04 | nkuttler | gpm: just encode your cds to something useful |
| 19:18.17 | greycat | and never, ever, EVER download proprietary-codec sound files. |
| 19:18.19 | Lee__ | gpm: seriously, just use vorbis. |
| 19:18.28 | Lee__ | and stay away from the ITMS. |
| 19:18.30 | gpm | i downloaded these files as m4as |
| 19:18.39 | gpm | i had no choice |
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| 19:18.39 | greycat | number one EVIL in the audio universe is Real Inc. #2 is Microsoft. #3 is Apple. |
| 19:18.48 | greycat | you had a choice. |
| 19:18.50 | SargeSurge | greycat isn't a mirror supppposed to be an exact replica? i added the netherlands server in addition to my indian mirror, and now it's pulling in nvidia-glx |
| 19:18.51 | Lee__ | no choice! |
| 19:18.56 | gpm | I DIDN'T ENCODE THEM |
| 19:18.58 | r3v | greycat: I'd rate apple higher |
| 19:19.03 | Lee__ | download or die, you have no choice! |
| 19:19.05 | greycat | SargeSurge: maybe your original mirror doesn't mirror non-free |
| 19:19.13 | greycat | gpm: you had a choice -- don't download. |
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| 19:19.18 | gpm | oh whatever |
| 19:19.20 | gpm | screw this |
| 19:19.21 | Lee__ | Apple goes above Real for real. |
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| 19:19.38 | greycat | Lee__: I give Real precedence for being the first evil kid on the block. |
| 19:19.38 | nkuttler | greycat: isn't m4a an open standard? are there patented parts? |
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| 19:19.47 | zuralin | Real isn't as bad as they used to be (unless there something new with them) |
| 19:19.49 | Lee__ | good point, but they cleaned up a little. |
| 19:19.50 | greycat | nkuttler: show me the reference implementation |
| 19:19.58 | manuelude | holassssssssss |
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| 19:20.15 | Lee__ | nkuttler: encoders are patented AFAIK. |
| 19:20.16 | dhp_saturn_v4 | apt problem : ''libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.5-4) but 2.3.5-5 is to be installed'' how to solve ? sorry for this lame question, it s about 4 months I did not apt, and many things seems to have change .... |
| 19:20.22 | apt | dhp_saturn_v4: that's too long |
| 19:20.22 | greycat | zuralin: can xmms play .ra files yet? |
| 19:20.28 | greycat | zuralin: or do you still need a closed-source binary only player? |
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| 19:20.38 | dhp_saturn_v4 | apt: ??? |
| 19:20.49 | greycat | dhp_saturn_v4: the bot thought you were addressing her. |
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| 19:21.55 | Lee__ | I kind of like the "I didn't have a choice, I downloaded it this way" excuse. it's sort of endearing. |
| 19:22.06 | greycat | notice how he stormed out, too? |
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| 19:22.21 | manuelude | hay algun irc debian en español ???? |
| 19:22.23 | greycat | !es |
| 19:22.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:22.28 | Lee__ | oh yeah. now he's going to tell all his friends how much Debian sucks. |
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| 19:22.39 | alala | ups , me cai y todavia estoy conectado |
| 19:22.39 | alala | ajajaa |
| 19:22.39 | zuralin | greycat, was that a rhetorical question? not sure if xmms supports real, i am guessing no. however there open sourced helix player does play them (i think) |
| 19:22.47 | Lee__ | "cause it doesn't play his music" |
| 19:22.55 | abrotman | zuralin: no it does not |
| 19:22.56 | EvilSporkMan | when I email logs of brute force attempts to ISPs, does full logs mean all the logs for the day or full logs of the brute force attempt? |
| 19:22.59 | abrotman | zuralin: read the faq that real provides |
| 19:23.03 | Lee__ | zuralin: helix player doesn't play .ra |
| 19:23.06 | greycat | Lee__: "'cause marillat is broken... no I won't say how or why or what error I got..." |
| 19:23.14 | dhp_saturn_v4 | other apt problem: ''WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!'' I did intall gnupg, could this be due to the use of weird sources.list ? is there a workaround ? |
| 19:23.18 | newz | listop :> |
| 19:23.20 | eXistenZ | I got samba installed here, but I cannot see it in the control panel, what might be the problem here? |
| 19:23.24 | Lee__ | zuralin: the closed source real player for linux plays .ra |
| 19:23.25 | zuralin | wow thats gay then.. like i said, i wasnt sure if helix played them |
| 19:23.31 | greycat | !gay |
| 19:23.32 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. greycat is gay |
| 19:23.33 | dondelelcaro | EvilSporkMan: I don't send them things that they won't use or shouldn't have. |
| 19:23.34 | Lee__ | helix plays non-patented media |
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| 19:23.37 | greycat | !factinfo gay |
| 19:23.38 | dpkg | gay -- last modified at Wed Aug 10 06:19:50 2005 by pureone!n=pureone@host86-136-59-116.range86-136.btcentralplus.com; it has been requested 10 times, last by greycat, 7s ago. |
| 19:23.44 | greycat | !pureone |
| 19:23.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, pureone is my master |
| 19:23.57 | EvilSporkMan | dondelelcaro: sounds good to me...these are really obvious hack attempts so they shouldn't need much |
| 19:24.06 | greycat | dpkg, pureone is also (except when he's mine.... ooooh, yes!) |
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| 19:24.07 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 19:24.16 | greycat | dpkg, gay =~ s/ greycat is gay// |
| 19:24.16 | dpkg | that doesn't contain ' greycat is gay', greycat |
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| 19:24.39 | greycat | dpkg, gay =~ s/ $who is gay// |
| 19:24.39 | dpkg | greycat: that doesn't contain ' $who is gay' |
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| 19:24.44 | greycat | yes it does! |
| 19:24.46 | greycat | you just said so! |
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| 19:24.49 | ecliptik_ | why would apt-get update seg fault? Do I have the wrong repositories or something? |
| 19:25.00 | stew | i've fixed that factoid twice now as well |
| 19:25.01 | greycat | dpkg, gay =~ s/$who is gay// |
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| 19:25.01 | dpkg | that doesn't contain '$who is gay', greycat |
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| 19:25.08 | tech9iner | thingfish heylo palomine ;] |
| 19:25.09 | Lee__ | ecliptik_: are you running sid? |
| 19:25.09 | doublehp | any one could check http://saturn.doublehp.org/tmp/sources.list if it is not too old conf ? |
| 19:25.11 | dondelelcaro | greycat: heh. I already fixed it |
| 19:25.13 | abrotman | greycat: or it really says you're gay |
| 19:25.16 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 19:25.19 | ecliptik_ | Lee__, no sarge |
| 19:25.22 | deego | Since yesterday's debian security update, sarge's firefox's middle click has stopped working for me... is it just me? or, does anyone else see that too? |
| 19:25.31 | Gathond | ecliptik: something is probably seriously wrong with either apt or some library it uses if it segmentation faults |
| 19:25.31 | thingfish | hey tech9iner, whassup. |
| 19:25.43 | Lee__ | ecliptik_: then how did you break your system? |
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| 19:26.09 | giojotoca | hello |
| 19:26.26 | doublehp | giojotoca: Holle |
| 19:26.26 | dhp_saturn_v4 | giojotoca: Holle |
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| 19:26.50 | ecliptik_ | Lee__, I don't know, I just tried to do a normal apt-get update; apt-get install and it just seg faults |
| 19:27.02 | Lee__ | you might have bad hardware. how long have you been using this computer? |
| 19:27.13 | EvilSporkMan | Lee__: were you serious about putting ssh on those crazy ports? |
| 19:27.20 | Gathond | ecliptik_: did it happen to upgrade libc6? |
| 19:27.22 | ecliptik_ | Lee__, umm, about 3 years |
| 19:27.26 | greycat | EvilSporkMan: many people do that. |
| 19:27.33 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik_: rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin; and try running apt-get update; again. |
| 19:27.34 | giojotoca | doublehp, how are you??? |
| 19:27.34 | Lee__ | EvilSporkMan: it's either that or whitelist IPs and block everything else on port 22 |
| 19:27.39 | greycat | EvilSporkMan: the brute force probes only look on the standard port |
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| 19:27.46 | giojotoca | dhp_saturn_v4, epale |
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| 19:28.04 | dhp_saturn_v4 | giojotoca: hy my friend :) |
| 19:28.04 | doublehp | giojotoca: not so well .... |
| 19:28.10 | Lee__ | ecliptik_: totally weird. you sure you didn't delete libc6 or something? |
| 19:28.34 | giojotoca | i am from venezuela |
| 19:28.36 | ecliptik_ | Lee__, no, everything else on the system works just fine, just not apt, although update-menus segs as well |
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| 19:28.43 | giojotoca | where are you from |
| 19:28.54 | ecliptik_ | I have an strace of it if you'd like to see, what's the pasterbot address again? |
| 19:29.01 | dhp_saturn_v4 | giojotoca: or me ? |
| 19:29.01 | doublehp | giojotoca: me ? |
| 19:29.03 | dondelelcaro | !tell ecliptik_ -about paster |
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| 19:29.05 | greycat | ecliptik_: rafb.net/paste |
| 19:29.08 | greycat | ecliptik_: and a dozen more |
| 19:29.13 | giojotoca | yes |
| 19:29.27 | SargeSurge | greycat cheers! I got X working now :) (albeit with an irritating nVidia logo at startup ) |
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| 19:29.41 | greycat | SargeSurge: you get what you paid for ;-) |
| 19:29.42 | doublehp | giojotoca: from close to Mantes, but tonight I am in Paris ... both in FRANCE |
| 19:29.45 | Lee__ | SargeSurge: that logo is a feature. |
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| 19:29.55 | TiTAN_pi8 | can anybody tell me how to mount my rootfs read/write. i get this at boot: VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. |
| 19:29.57 | SargeSurge | hehe...i can live with it |
| 19:29.57 | Lee__ | it shows you the sign of quality |
| 19:29.59 | dhp_saturn_v4 | giojotoca: I come from same places ... |
| 19:30.12 | jazzmans | thanks for the help guys. lame works! |
| 19:30.20 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how I can access computers that are behind firewalls by allowing for them to access my tech support site? I am looking for them to connect to my ip therefore allowing for me to take over through port 80.. ;P I just dont know of any software out there that allows that and is free |
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| 19:30.33 | Lee__ | jazzmans: but you really should be using ogg/vorbis to rip your cds |
| 19:30.53 | dhp_saturn_v4 | Lee__: can WMP read ogg ? |
| 19:30.59 | greycat | TwistedEmotions: windows boxes? |
| 19:31.08 | greycat | dhp_saturn_v4: not that I know of |
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| 19:31.11 | greycat | dhp_saturn_v4: but Winamp does. |
| 19:31.12 | Lee__ | sure, install the directshow plugin. but why are you using WMP? |
| 19:31.22 | dhp_saturn_v4 | greycat: so ogg is not portable ^^ |
| 19:31.24 | EvilSporkMan | is there any sort of guide to writing abuse reports? |
| 19:31.33 | greycat | dhp_saturn_v4: it's more portable than windows media :-P |
| 19:31.34 | Lee__ | google for oggds or something like that. there's a big list at www.vorbis.com |
| 19:31.43 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: yeah ;P |
| 19:31.48 | greycat | TwistedEmotions: can't help with that. |
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| 19:31.51 | dhp_saturn_v4 | greycat: did you consider my real problem mentioned 5mn ago ? |
| 19:31.52 | Lee__ | dhp_saturn_v4: it's the most portable audio format in existance right now. |
| 19:32.06 | greycat | dhp_saturn_v4: nope |
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| 19:32.14 | TwistedEmotions | I am looking for something like a free version of GoToMyPc |
| 19:32.20 | paster | "ecliptik_" at 132.239.79.130 pasted "strace of a seg fault while running apt-get update" (406 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/540 |
| 19:32.27 | doublehp | greycat: any one could check http://saturn.doublehp.org/tmp/sources.list if it is not too old conf ? |
| 19:32.27 | dhp_saturn_v4 | greycat: apt problem : ''libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.5-4) but 2.3.5-5 is to be installed'' how to solve ? sorry for this lame question, it s about 4 months I did not apt, and many things seems to have change .... |
| 19:32.31 | greycat | 406 lines?? |
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| 19:32.36 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: believe me I dont blame you.. ;P It's my job and I still hate it. |
| 19:32.39 | dhp_saturn_v4 | greycat: other apt problem: ''WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!'' I did intall gnupg, could this be due to the use of weird sources.list ? is there a workaround ? |
| 19:32.43 | Lee__ | EvilSporkMan: try port 80 of the offending IP. sometimes you can find an email address on a web page. contact the owner before their ISP. odds are they don't even know. |
| 19:32.43 | greycat | how the hell can apt-get update produce 406 lines? |
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| 19:33.24 | Lee__ | that's awesome! |
| 19:33.25 | r3v | greycat: 400 packages installed? |
| 19:33.29 | stew | ecliptik_: strace is often not helpful for a segfault |
| 19:33.30 | nkuttler | greycat: many sources? |
| 19:33.35 | r3v | greycat: oh wait... 400 sources? |
| 19:33.54 | r3v | greycat: I knew someone with 30 once |
| 19:34.00 | btwotch | !fuck Bill Gates |
| 19:34.09 | greycat | r3v: ah, it's an strace apt-get update |
| 19:34.13 | gniretar | !fuck everyone |
| 19:34.42 | sgeigerbot | paster: You should clean out /etc/apt/sources.list Use apt-setup to set it up from scratch. |
| 19:34.47 | btwotch | !figlet hello |
| 19:34.47 | EmleyMoor | Er, less !fucking and more attention please :-) |
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| 19:34.48 | Bobby_G | Hello there. I'm quite new to Linux. I want a standard Debian installation ( no web server, mail server etc.) with KDE. Do I need only the first ISO image ? |
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| 19:34.49 | ecobit | i have a question: on the sarge 3a installer, for the apt config, its asking "please choose which version of debian you wish to use" and gives choice of stable, testing, unstable. i thought that it installs sarge. wouldn't there be a problem if i pick unstable at this point and have it in sources.list? because is should first select "stable" and dist-upgrade 2 times? or is that unnecessary? |
| 19:35.01 | sgeigerbot | !caress EmleyMoor |
| 19:35.02 | Lee__ | Bobby_G: yes |
| 19:35.03 | greycat | Bobby_G: probably. |
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| 19:35.12 | nkuttler | 400 lines because it's an strace... |
| 19:35.17 | gniretar | hump btwotch |
| 19:35.19 | gniretar | !hump btwotch |
| 19:35.26 | Bobby_G | ok thanks |
| 19:35.32 | halibut | How can I get an older version of jackd? (current version in repositries does not work (is that right?)) |
| 19:35.38 | greycat | halibut: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 19:35.40 | Lee__ | Bobby_G: do you have a broadband connection? |
| 19:35.53 | Lee__ | halibut: jackd in sarge is working |
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| 19:36.09 | sgeigerbot | halibut: snaphot.debian.org |
| 19:36.27 | Lee__ | halibut: install realtime-lsm-source |
| 19:36.29 | dhp_saturn_v4 | ): nobody wanna help me ? /me sad |
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| 19:36.43 | halibut | Lee__, when I go to install it, it wants to remove loads of packages |
| 19:36.43 | jazzmanss | Lee_ none of the car stereos I use can read ogg yet... so I'm stuck with mp3 for that. once alpine has an ogg reading deck, I'm ogg all the way. |
| 19:36.46 | nkuttler | sgeigerbot: it's .net |
| 19:36.51 | btwotch | dpkg: hello |
| 19:36.52 | dpkg | Hi, btwotch! |
| 19:37.03 | btwotch | this is a very cool bot, dpkg |
| 19:37.05 | sgeigerbot | nkuttler: tell him...not me. :-) (but thanks) |
| 19:37.05 | EmleyMoor | I don't think my mobile phone can do ogg either |
| 19:37.14 | Lee__ | halibut: you must have some conflicting apt repo? |
| 19:37.16 | nkuttler | btwotch: /msg the bot |
| 19:37.27 | Cyis | anyone got any ideas on how to recover the data on a CD-R media that didn't get closed properly... having trouble reading it now |
| 19:37.27 | zuralin | my iaudio x5 plays ogg/flac |
| 19:37.30 | Lee__ | EmleyMoor: sucks for your mobile phone. you could get one that can. |
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| 19:37.45 | EmleyMoor | Only just got this one as it happens - can't do stereo |
| 19:37.51 | tech9iner | now if dpkg was as informative as it is '''cool''' ?.. be even better for the evangelism of debian huh.. ;] |
| 19:37.54 | Lee__ | nice feature |
| 19:37.58 | EvilSporkMan | where can i read about all the default users and groups (i.e. adm, staff) that debian has and how to use them appropriately? |
| 19:38.19 | Lee__ | that's in the policy manual, no? |
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| 19:38.24 | ecliptik_ | stew, then what you recommend? |
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| 19:38.29 | greycat | !faq tech9iner |
| 19:38.30 | dpkg | tech9iner: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:38.31 | halibut | Lee__, I have the same problem as here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318098 |
| 19:38.32 | EvilSporkMan | Lee__: I don't know, that's why i'm asking |
| 19:38.46 | stew | ecliptik_: rebuild it with debug symbols and get a stack trace from gdb |
| 19:38.54 | tech9iner | rofl |
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| 19:38.57 | stew | dhp_saturn_v4: you aren't running debian |
| 19:39.07 | dhp_saturn_v4 | stew: I am |
| 19:39.09 | tech9iner | miss all of you 'yutes' to i did rofl |
| 19:39.18 | stew | dhp_saturn_v4: we cannot help you if you are using non-official repositories |
| 19:39.24 | Zorbid | Hi |
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| 19:39.48 | dhp_saturn_v4 | stew: thats why I am asking fol ppl to comment about my list ... |
| 19:39.51 | Zorbid | Linux Brand n00b here. |
| 19:39.55 | EvilSporkMan | Lee__: I'm looking under Users and Groups in the policy manual and only seeing much more general information |
| 19:40.06 | stew | dhp_saturn_v4: "but 2.3.5-5 is to be installed", 2.3.5-5 isn't in sid yet |
| 19:40.12 | greycat | !info libc6 sid |
| 19:40.14 | dhp_saturn_v4 | stew: that list is about 2 years ... maybe some stuff have been at last merged with sid |
| 19:40.17 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.5-4 (sid), Packaged size: 4811 kB, Installed size: 16336 kB |
| 19:40.23 | greycat | that would indeed explain it. |
| 19:40.27 | greycat | welcome to unstable! |
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| 19:40.33 | stew | dhp_saturn_v4: what list are you talking about? |
| 19:40.40 | dhp_saturn_v4 | stew: how to know which mirror is offering me 2.3.5-5 ? |
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| 19:40.50 | stew | dhp_saturn_v4: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 19:40.52 | greycat | dhp_saturn_v4: you should only have ONE mirror. |
| 19:41.00 | Zorbid | I'm trying to locate .bash_profile in the Debian disk image provided by colinux. I'm logged as root. |
| 19:41.01 | doublehp | stew: (21:25:25) doublehp: any one could check http://saturn.doublehp.org/tmp/sources.list if it is not too old conf ? |
| 19:41.12 | Zorbid | could someone help me, please? |
| 19:41.22 | nkuttler | !tell Zorbid about ask |
| 19:41.32 | Lee__ | halibut: you sure you aren't using any sid repos? |
| 19:41.40 | Lee__ | !help me |
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| 19:41.47 | greycat | Zorbid: what makes you think there is one? |
| 19:41.56 | greycat | and why are you logged in as root? |
| 19:41.59 | btwotch | !kick gniretar |
| 19:42.07 | dhp_saturn_v4 | stew: *** 2.3.5-5 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 19:42.21 | halibut | Lee__, yes, I have stable, unstable and testing |
| 19:42.26 | halibut | is that my problem? |
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| 19:42.36 | halibut | other packages are too new for that version of jackd? |
| 19:42.38 | Lee__ | halibut: WTF!?! |
| 19:42.41 | dhp_saturn_v4 | greycat: how can one mirror offer both: full sid, e17 packages, xorg packages, mplayer, and opera ? |
| 19:42.41 | greycat | halibut: in other words you have unstable and two lines that just suck up extra bandwidth and disk space |
| 19:42.45 | gniretar | !slap btwotch |
| 19:42.49 | Lee__ | and you wonder why your shit is broken? |
| 19:42.52 | greycat | dhp_saturn_v4: only one DEBIAN mirror. |
| 19:42.55 | dhp_saturn_v4 | greycat: +ipv6 .... |
| 19:43.02 | halibut | greycat, hmm ok |
| 19:43.03 | mirak | hi |
| 19:43.03 | greycat | dhp_saturn_v4: we don't care how many fucking e17 mirrors you have. |
| 19:43.03 | stew | dhp_saturn_v4: that is saying you have already installed libc6 from some non-debian mirror |
| 19:43.12 | micka | gcc-3.4: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus what package cc1plus ? |
| 19:43.20 | mirak | are most of the recent ethernet card self detecting if the cable is crossed or flat ? |
| 19:43.25 | halibut | Lee__, what can I do, reinstal? |
| 19:43.29 | greycat | and why do you need a separate xorg source if you're running unstable? |
| 19:43.30 | dhp_saturn_v4 | greycat: thats why I ask you (irc chatters) to proof read my list ! |
| 19:43.39 | greycat | dhp_saturn_v4: comment it all out! |
| 19:43.40 | stew | doublehp: == dhp_saturn_v4 ? |
| 19:43.41 | greycat | fuck! |
| 19:43.43 | stouset | mirak: More often MDI/MDI-X detection is on switches. |
| 19:43.48 | stew | that is a fucked up souces.list |
| 19:43.51 | Lee__ | halibut: that's the simplest way. |
| 19:43.52 | cougar` | There's a person in here named enTer spamming users that join this channel |
| 19:43.54 | greycat | mirak: g++ |
| 19:43.54 | micka | unstable system |
| 19:43.57 | greycat | oops. |
| 19:44.00 | greycat | micka: g++ |
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| 19:44.03 | mirak | stouset: not on cards ? |
| 19:44.11 | mirak | greycat: heey, how are you ? |
| 19:44.16 | cougar` | ATTENTION : There's a person in here named enTer spamming users that join this channel |
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| 19:44.26 | doublehp | stew: no ... i am runing X on gentoo, to catch back URLs n proer browser,cause doublehp may crash any time, and can brows nor past URLs |
| 19:44.31 | jimm | !ops enTer onjoin spam |
| 19:44.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: enTer onjoin spam |
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| 19:44.48 | dhp_saturn_v4 | greycat: which one shall I keep ? |
| 19:44.49 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 19:44.50 | rob_ | ok i got a quetion |
| 19:44.53 | rob_ | err |
| 19:44.59 | greycat | dhp_saturn_v4: http://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 19:45.04 | rob_ | *question |
| 19:45.04 | dhp_saturn_v4 | rob_: dont ask to ask ; ASK ! |
| 19:45.10 | jimm | whatcha gonna do with that question of yours??! |
| 19:45.15 | cougar` | Good job Jinn |
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| 19:45.24 | stouset | dhp_saturn_v4: He didn't ask. |
| 19:45.30 | jimm | oh yeah, forgot about that part |
| 19:45.35 | nkuttler | Zorbid: so when will you ask your question? |
| 19:45.38 | tech9iner | cougar` ATTENTION : There's a person in here named enTer spamming users that join this channel * greycat has kicked enTer from #debian (greycat) |
| 19:45.38 | rob_ | i have a seperate hard drive and right now i have it automounted in /data but as a user i can't access it |
| 19:45.45 | tech9iner | dammit |
| 19:45.49 | rob_ | how do i make it so as a normal user i can access it |
| 19:45.50 | Lee__ | rob_: man mount |
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| 19:45.55 | Lee__ | man fstab |
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| 19:45.57 | greycat | rob_: what file system? |
| 19:46.05 | rob_ | ext3 |
| 19:46.07 | greycat | if it's a WINDOWS file system, /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 19:46.08 | tech9iner | Mea Culpa! greycat cougar` missed the /msg bit to priv |
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| 19:46.13 | greycat | if it's a UNIX file system, man chown; man chmod |
| 19:46.30 | cougar` | Hey all, how do I upgrade my packages using apt-get ? |
| 19:46.35 | dhp_saturn_v4 | greycat: I do not have any active us line ... and I have been said on this chan last year that ftp2 are more up to date than ftp lines .... |
| 19:46.35 | stouset | cougar`: man apt-get |
| 19:46.37 | greycat | man apt-get |
| 19:46.40 | greycat | !win stouset |
| 19:46.41 | rob_ | cougar`: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:46.42 | rob_ | lol |
| 19:46.42 | dpkg | Congratulations, stouset! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 19:46.44 | gniretar | hey, can someone write me a grep regular expression that will search for all '{' that are NOT preceeded by a '$'? |
| 19:46.45 | cougar` | Is there a command I can use to upgrade all the packages currently installed? |
| 19:47.05 | stew | !wikifaq cougar` PackageManagement |
| 19:47.06 | dpkg | cougar`: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:47.09 | greycat | gniretar: egrep '^{|[^$]{' I think. |
| 19:47.11 | stouset | cougar`: man apt-get |
| 19:47.17 | greycat | gniretar: try #bash or #sed |
| 19:47.19 | Lee__ | gniretar: sure, perldoc perlretut |
| 19:47.30 | jim | cougar: if you're running stable, then packages will never be upgraded, only maintained... this is on purpose to provide a -stable- system |
| 19:47.36 | Zorbid | nkuttler: It's already asked.. |
| 19:47.51 | PeterGriffin | is it possible to look up the md5sum of all files in a package? not just the checksum of the package. |
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| 19:48.05 | nkuttler | Zorbid: my /lastlog shows no relevant question |
| 19:48.06 | greycat | PeterGriffin: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/*md5* |
| 19:48.09 | Zorbid | nkuttler: Where can I find .bash_profile? in a standard debian install? |
| 19:48.11 | TiTAN_pi8 | can anybody tell me how to mount my rootfs read/write? i get this on boot :VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. |
| 19:48.16 | gniretar | thanks |
| 19:48.18 | gniretar | that worked |
| 19:48.30 | greycat | TiTAN_pi8: that's normal. |
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| 19:48.38 | PandaKun | s |
| 19:48.40 | PandaKun | hey guys |
| 19:48.42 | stew | Zorbid: /etc/skel |
| 19:48.42 | rob_ | n e ways |
| 19:48.44 | nkuttler | Zorbid: in ~/ ? locate bash_profile |
| 19:48.44 | PandaKun | does anyone here get "message frozen" errors? |
| 19:48.44 | greycat | TiTAN_pi8: your init scripts fsck it (-p usually) and then remount it rw if there are no fsck errors. |
| 19:48.49 | greycat | !frozen mail |
| 19:48.49 | dpkg | [frozen mail] <damf> FeliX-D: exim -M message-id will immediately attempt to remail a frozen mail. <Zygo> greycat: needs to know about exim -qff (all frozen mail) and the 'auto_thaw' parameter (send frozen mail every N seconds) |
| 19:48.50 | rob_ | i'm off to wipe out my system |
| 19:48.53 | Lee__ | TiTAN_pi8: can you write to it from a shell after it's booted? |
| 19:48.53 | rob_ | my apache is toasted |
| 19:48.54 | rob_ | lol |
| 19:49.06 | PandaKun | thanks |
| 19:49.12 | stouset | rob_: why wipe the system if apache is toasted? wipe apache |
| 19:49.18 | rob_ | it wont let php4 wont work |
| 19:49.20 | jim | gniretar: man grep, look for REGULAR EXPRESSIONS, look for [...], what ^ means after [ |
| 19:49.25 | TiTAN_pi8 | greycat, i have no init script. so i have to make it check and remount rw myself |
| 19:49.28 | PandaKun | wait |
| 19:49.28 | PeterGriffin | greycat: great. but they could have been tampered with. something on the web? |
| 19:49.30 | PandaKun | is exim4 better then exim? |
| 19:49.37 | rob_ | stouset: i tried |
| 19:49.38 | TiTAN_pi8 | Lee__, no it is not remounted |
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| 19:49.42 | greycat | TiTAN_pi8: if you have no init scripts, you are in the wrong channel. this is not #linuxfromlessthanscratch |
| 19:49.44 | gniretar | jim: yea, i used to know that. I got ! and ^ mixed up |
| 19:49.46 | PandaKun | greycat what's better |
| 19:49.46 | rob_ | but it wont delete all the dep and let me start from scratch |
| 19:49.47 | PandaKun | exim4 or exim |
| 19:49.50 | greycat | #linuxfromquarks |
| 19:49.56 | stew | heh |
| 19:50.01 | TiTAN_pi8 | okw? |
| 19:50.01 | btwotch | !ignore gniretar |
| 19:50.03 | Lee__ | rob_: apt-get --purge remove apache |
| 19:50.12 | greycat | TiTAN_pi8: we speak english here. |
| 19:50.15 | PandaKun | ah. |
| 19:50.16 | stouset | PeterGriffin: They could be tampered with, yes. Likely? No, but still very possible. If you want something secure to monitor when files are changed, look for samhaine, aide, tripwire... |
| 19:50.21 | ralf | what apt will do if a file is available both in remote repo and cdrom? |
| 19:50.24 | TiTAN_pi8 | ok |
| 19:50.39 | nkuttler | btwotch: iirc there is #bots for you to play with the bots |
| 19:50.43 | stew | ralf: man apt_preferences |
| 19:50.45 | jim | ralf: take latest version available in both of those places |
| 19:50.46 | Zorbid | locate doesn't help. "No such file or directory". |
| 19:50.49 | rob_ | Lee__: will this allow me to start an apache install from scratch? |
| 19:50.51 | stew | jim: not necessarily |
| 19:50.55 | jim | (by default anyway) |
| 19:50.57 | gniretar | !fart btwotch |
| 19:51.09 | ralf | jim i mean same version |
| 19:51.10 | stouset | rob_: assuming you installed apache from apt in the first place. |
| 19:51.15 | PeterGriffin | stouset: i got afick in place. and it seems i configured it wrong. so i want to check one thing manually. |
| 19:51.16 | stouset | rob_: That's the point of package management. |
| 19:51.16 | Lee__ | rob_: yes. it will install apache from scratch. if one of the deps is broken, you do the same with that package. |
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| 19:51.20 | jim | first listed source |
| 19:51.25 | nkuttler | Zorbid: /etc/skel |
| 19:51.27 | rob_ | stouset: yes i did |
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| 19:51.41 | stouset | PeterGriffin: If the security of your box isn't relying on it, just use the md5sums in /var/lib/dpkg/info. |
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| 19:52.08 | dhp_saturn_v4 | greycat: what about non-us lines ? |
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| 19:52.12 | greycat | dhp_saturn_v4: /topic |
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| 19:52.55 | rob_ | lol |
| 19:53.08 | gniretar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.14 | jim | I want to find out about external HD enclosures that do usb or maybe firewire... for one thing, what are good ones that work well with 2.6.7+? |
| 19:53.30 | abrotman | the ones that comply with the spec? |
| 19:53.31 | OneSeventeen | when I added a static IP, I can no longer browse the web, but I can still view the site hosted on it via that static IP... am I missing something? |
| 19:53.48 | Zorbid | nkuttler: Thanks a lot (both for the answer and for the locate tip :) |
| 19:53.50 | nkuttler | OneSeventeen: a nameserver |
| 19:53.50 | Gathond | OneSeventeen: probably setting any dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:53.52 | greycat | probably a route. |
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| 19:53.57 | r3v | OneSeventeen: route? |
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| 19:54.12 | stouset | jim: AFAIK it's all the same driver. |
| 19:54.17 | rob_ | screw it |
| 19:54.19 | OneSeventeen | route? |
| 19:54.21 | rob_ | going to start over again |
| 19:54.26 | greycat | OneSeventeen: your default gateway |
| 19:54.32 | brian___ | can someone tell me the latest kernel version available through apt-get.... The latest i can find is 2.6.11.x |
| 19:54.33 | PandaKun | hey how do you reconfigure a package again? |
| 19:54.34 | jim | but are there enclosures that don't work (yet)? |
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| 19:54.39 | OneSeventeen | ah, default gateway is correct |
| 19:54.44 | brian___ | but on kernel.org i see 2.6.12.x |
| 19:54.44 | stouset | brian___: linux-image-2.6.12 |
| 19:54.47 | Bobby_G | Is it hard to configure a Wi-Fi card in Debian ? have the Intel Pro 2200 card |
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| 19:54.53 | stouset | brian___: So? |
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| 19:54.55 | OneSeventeen | so are dns, |
| 19:55.00 | greycat | welcome to the gratuitous renaming of the kernel images! |
| 19:55.00 | r3v | Bobby_G: not really. I have that card |
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| 19:55.03 | drac | brian___: stable? testing? unstable? |
| 19:55.03 | _wrykyn | I get the following error when I try to install mplayer, I think I have all the major sources in my list. Any ideas ? mplayer-386: Depends: libdirectfb-0.9-20 but it is not installable |
| 19:55.03 | _wrykyn | E: Broken packages |
| 19:55.04 | jim | OneSeventeen: is your IP you're using inside the net the default gateway is in? |
| 19:55.12 | greycat | for free, you get a gratuitously renamed kernel-headers too! |
| 19:55.12 | btwotch | !gniretar is always in a sex club for gay-ones |
| 19:55.12 | dpkg | btwotch: i already had it that way |
| 19:55.14 | drac | _wrykyn: unstable? |
| 19:55.17 | btwotch | !gniretard |
| 19:55.18 | btwotch | !gniretar |
| 19:55.19 | dpkg | it has been said that gniretar is always in a sex club for gay-ones |
| 19:55.20 | PandaKun | i wanna configure exim4 |
| 19:55.22 | brian___ | drac unstable |
| 19:55.29 | drac | brian___: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 19:55.29 | nkuttler | greycat: btwotch and gniretar are abusing the bot |
| 19:55.29 | PandaKun | !exim |
| 19:55.29 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 19:55.34 | OneSeventeen | I can type in the server's URL and view the website just fine, and I can ping the server, |
| 19:55.40 | brian___ | drac: thanks |
| 19:55.42 | PandaKun | !frozen mail |
| 19:55.43 | dpkg | hmm... frozen mail is <damf> FeliX-D: exim -M message-id will immediately attempt to remail a frozen mail. <Zygo> greycat: needs to know about exim -qff (all frozen mail) and the 'auto_thaw' parameter (send frozen mail every N seconds) |
| 19:55.47 | abrotman | i need to use the debian trademark! |
| 19:55.54 | OneSeventeen | yes, the IP and subnet were both given to me at the same time |
| 19:55.56 | jim | OneSeventeen: so what's the problem? |
| 19:56.11 | OneSeventeen | when I'm physically on the server, I cannot browse the web (which includes using apt-get) |
| 19:56.14 | gniretar | btwotch: that is bot abuse!!! |
| 19:56.20 | Athon_Solo|2 | "apt-select dselect-upgrade" (after importing a package list from another machine I'm cloning) was interrupted by an error which I've now corrected. How do I resume what it was doing? |
| 19:56.23 | gniretar | btwotch: i never defined new terms |
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| 19:56.42 | greycat | OneSeventeen: what error? |
| 19:56.45 | btwotch | gniretar: how can I delete these terms? |
| 19:56.51 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 19:56.51 | dpkg | VAGUENESS CAUSES ACNE! |
| 19:57.00 | dondelelcaro | Athon_Solo|2: just run it again. |
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| 19:57.02 | Bobby_G | r3v: are there drivers included in the distro, or do I have to find myself ? I have the intel_ipw2200 drivers for linus |
| 19:57.03 | nkuttler | btwotch: dpkg forget foo |
| 19:57.06 | gniretar | dunno |
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| 19:57.19 | OneSeventeen | nothing, it just times out anytime I try to ping anything, apt-get anything, or go to a website... |
| 19:57.21 | stouset | Bobby_G: The ipw2200 module comes as a source package |
| 19:57.33 | r3v | Bobby_G: you can m-a a-i ipw2200 |
| 19:57.33 | Bobby_G | stouset: and that means ? |
| 19:57.36 | greycat | OneSeventeen: does it time out on the name lookups, or on the actual ping of a foreign IP?> |
| 19:57.57 | OneSeventeen | anytime I type something, it says host not found |
| 19:57.59 | jim | so let's split the difference and say you're both abusing the bot... so you should stop doing that and take squabble outside (that way more on-topic conversations can take place) |
| 19:58.04 | btwotch | ok, gniretar |
| 19:58.06 | greycat | OneSeventeen: sounds like resolv.conf is broken. |
| 19:58.13 | OneSeventeen | (sorry, I'm trying to think of how to make this specific and not so vague) |
| 19:58.17 | PandaKun | exim4 -qff |
| 19:58.19 | PandaKun | its frozen o.o |
| 19:58.22 | PandaKun | nothing is being executed |
| 19:58.31 | blackisha | I am trying to install rubyOnRails, and one article reckons I need to install a heap of extra packages, but apt-get is complaining that alot of them are virtual packages provided by the ruby package, is there a way to ignoge packages that turn out to be vitrual, or just choose ruby as the candidate? |
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| 19:58.46 | OneSeventeen | so should I just look at resolv.conf and try to correct anything that looks wrong? |
| 19:58.48 | stouset | Bobby_G: apt-get install linux-headers-<version>-<arch> ipw2200-source; tar -xvzf /usr/src/ipw2200-source.tar.gz; cd /usr/src/modules/ipw2200; debian/rules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-<version>-<arch> KVERS=<version>-<arch> binary-modules; dpkg -i ../ipw2200*.deb |
| 19:58.48 | jim | OneSeventeen: can you ping by number but not by name? |
| 19:58.55 | OneSeventeen | haven't tried that yet... |
| 19:59.03 | stouset | Bobby_G: * not guaranteed to work as advertised =P |
| 19:59.07 | greycat | ping 216.109.118.77 |
| 19:59.13 | greycat | that's one of yahoo's web servers |
| 19:59.14 | nkuttler | blackisha: are you using official sources? |
| 19:59.38 | OneSeventeen | I can only ping stuff in my network (I'm at a university and our network admins disabled ping other than local servers) |
| 19:59.44 | blackisha | 1 sec |
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| 19:59.45 | r3v | stouset: wouldn't module-assistant be easier? |
| 19:59.51 | OneSeventeen | but to clarify, I cannot ping with the server, just with other PCs |
| 20:00.02 | greycat | OneSeventeen: you need to talk to your local network admins, then. |
| 20:00.08 | greycat | I doubt we can help. |
| 20:00.09 | stouset | Bobby_G: Basically, you just have to download the sources for the module (in ipw2200-source), compile it against the headers for your current kernel, fetch the nonfree firmware from the ipw2200 website, and install the package. |
| 20:00.12 | jim | OneSeventeen: howbout this... look in your resolv.conf, try pinging nameservers (by number), then try things like "dig @serveryoufound yahoo.com" |
| 20:00.19 | stouset | r3v: Probably. Last time I used it it was broken as hell. |
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| 20:00.27 | OneSeventeen | thanks, I'll try it. |
| 20:00.33 | jim | do that from the server |
| 20:00.42 | jim | all parts of that |
| 20:00.52 | r3v | stouset: worked fine for me last time. so I guess have 50/50 of m-a working :) |
| 20:01.06 | OneSeventeen | I do have a static IP on the PC I'm on now, and I can browse the web/ping/etc. just fine, so I'm thinking it has less to do with the nameserver/network and more to do with my debian newbie skills |
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| 20:01.15 | btwotch | !dpkg hello |
| 20:01.20 | PandaKun | !dpkg reconfigure |
| 20:01.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, reconfigure is really dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> |
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| 20:01.33 | blackisha | some extra lines in there for php5 stuff, i will try to uncomment them |
| 20:01.37 | greycat | btwotch: PandaKun: you can /msg the botb |
| 20:01.40 | greycat | bot* |
| 20:01.43 | PandaKun | im confused lol |
| 20:01.45 | jim | OneSeventeen: ok, now I'm not sure I understand anymore... |
| 20:01.53 | PandaKun | exim4 doesnt send me emails |
| 20:01.54 | jim | you said something about a server |
| 20:01.55 | OneSeventeen | I'll go look at resolv.conf and also ping by number not name then I'll come back... |
| 20:01.55 | btwotch | greycat: he doesn't answer any more |
| 20:02.00 | dondelelcaro | btwotch: because you were abusing it. |
| 20:02.14 | OneSeventeen | I'm sure I'm confusing things.... lemme try again... |
| 20:02.15 | dondelelcaro | if you abuse the bot, the bot will ignore you. |
| 20:02.20 | jim | OneSeventeen: before you go... |
| 20:02.22 | btwotch_ | pretty good |
| 20:02.29 | jim | let's name these things |
| 20:02.30 | PandaKun | anyway to foward all root mail to my email? |
| 20:02.33 | OneSeventeen | with DHCP, I can browse the web just fine using gnome's default web browser |
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| 20:02.37 | jim | did you say you have a server? |
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| 20:02.43 | OneSeventeen | Yes |
| 20:02.54 | jim | ok, what's its name? |
| 20:02.56 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: drop in a .forward file in /root/; or set up an alias pointing to you. |
| 20:03.07 | OneSeventeen | dual Xeon, SCSI Raid, 3 LAN ports, all that good stuff, |
| 20:03.08 | PandaKun | mail domain "" is syntactically invalid |
| 20:03.13 | OneSeventeen | we'll call the server "HR" |
| 20:03.19 | PandaKun | yeah i have .foward set |
| 20:03.21 | jim | ok |
| 20:03.32 | jim | you have other boxes? |
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| 20:03.39 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: then, unless your MTA is braindead, it should be forwarding mail to you. |
| 20:03.46 | OneSeventeen | yes, 2 others |
| 20:03.54 | stouset | r3v: Probably higher. I used it I believe when it was first released into unstable. |
| 20:03.58 | OneSeventeen | "pan" and "george" |
| 20:03.59 | stouset | r3v: Have heard many good things about it. |
| 20:04.00 | jim | ok, and what kind of thing is your gateway? |
| 20:04.02 | PandaKun | lol |
| 20:04.07 | PandaKun | look at my error. |
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| 20:04.15 | PandaKun | mail domain "" is syntactically invalid |
| 20:04.24 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: so fix your configuration. |
| 20:04.30 | PandaKun | which file. |
| 20:04.37 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: which MTA? |
| 20:04.40 | *** part/#debian battersea (n=ardour@unaffiliated/battersea) |
| 20:04.48 | PandaKun | Exim4 |
| 20:05.01 | jim | OneSeventeen, ok, and what kind of thing is your gateway? |
| 20:05.02 | OneSeventeen | what do you mean by what kind of thing? (sorry, our school's network is maintained by a central group, not by each department... so I don't know what goes on behind the scenes) |
| 20:05.23 | OneSeventeen | okay, we've got a group called CRT.. CRT does all the network stuff, |
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| 20:05.32 | jim | ok, so you don't run your own gateway |
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| 20:05.39 | PandaKun | hmm? |
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| 20:05.58 | OneSeventeen | I called them, got a static IP, default gateway, primary and secondary dns, and a hostname tacked on to the universitie's domain. |
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| 20:06.10 | neoXite | i have a kernelmodule i need to compile in sarge, i have the module sources and the kernel-sources and kernel-headers, but now im stuck..anyone know a good howto on how to compile extra modules? |
| 20:06.21 | OneSeventeen | (so no, we only run our server, we don't have so much as a switch or router under our control) |
| 20:06.23 | TiTAN_pi8 | is there a way to get /sbin/init back if it has been deleted? |
| 20:06.29 | PandaKun | well dondele? |
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| 20:06.44 | jim | you have -one- IP and -many- machines? |
| 20:06.45 | btwotch | lol, gniretar |
| 20:07.05 | OneSeventeen | everything is DHCP except for a few desktops and our servers. |
| 20:07.12 | me_here_ | why is telnet installed by default in debian stead of the ssh version of it ? |
| 20:07.24 | jim | oic, so you have one box that is on a static IP |
| 20:07.28 | *** part/#debian flipmcf (n=flipmcf@ip68-230-205-65.rd.hr.cox.net) |
| 20:07.38 | jim | and the rest are dhcp? |
| 20:07.41 | PandaKun | o.o |
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| 20:07.59 | _wrykyn | drac: yes (the mplayer question) on unstable |
| 20:08.05 | PandaKun | =o |
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| 20:08.11 | jim | so the things that are not on dhcp... they each have their own static IP? |
| 20:08.11 | stew | me_here_: are you talking about the telnet client or the telnet server? |
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| 20:08.26 | me_here_ | stew: prolly both |
| 20:08.27 | btwotch | ravenbird: rtfm |
| 20:08.27 | ravenbird | [rtfm] Read the Fucking Manual. Please note that this is an expression born more of exasperation than of personal malice. Usually the person delivering the response is a bit burnt out and should be answering newbie questions a bit less. Feel free to ask, "Which manual?" in response. |
| 20:08.30 | OneSeventeen | sorry, I'm back, yes, that is correct |
| 20:08.39 | abrotman | me_here_: telnet server is not installed by default |
| 20:08.40 | me_here_ | ste: more client than server |
| 20:08.49 | me_here_ | abrotman: yes |
| 20:08.50 | abrotman | me_here_: the client is useful for testing |
| 20:08.51 | OneSeventeen | pan, another linux box, has a static IP on the same subnet/gateway/dns/etc. and it works fine |
| 20:08.52 | bjason_ | What is the package to install xorg? |
| 20:08.53 | gniretar | btwotch: lol yourself |
| 20:08.57 | abrotman | me_here_: no . it's not |
| 20:08.57 | bjason_ | throug hapt |
| 20:08.58 | bjason_ | apt |
| 20:09.12 | stew | me_here_: the server isnt' installed by default. the client probably is becuase people expect it to be available, ssh as or sarge contains both client and server, server shoudln't be installed without someone asking |
| 20:09.13 | btwotch | ravenbird: wantnick gniretar |
| 20:09.13 | jetx | hey i desperately need the brand name of a well supported under linux add-in ide controller card |
| 20:09.13 | ravenbird | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 20:09.33 | stew | me_here_: now ssh is split into client and server packages so maybe in the future the ssh client will be installed by default |
| 20:09.38 | OneSeventeen | something to note: when I set up pan, the distro I used allowed me to choose static IP during install, debian automatically used DHCP |
| 20:09.44 | jim | ok, next questions... how are each of your boxes physically connected to the uni net? |
| 20:09.48 | gniretar | bjason_:apt-cache search xorg |
| 20:09.51 | OneSeventeen | I changed it from DHCP to Static IP through gnome |
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| 20:10.02 | PandaKun | dodododod. |
| 20:10.02 | greycat | dear god. |
| 20:10.06 | PandaKun | anyone know how to reconfigure exim4 |
| 20:10.13 | greycat | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 20:10.14 | me_here_ | stew: ok, i ask cause i read that telnet is not very reliable and ssh shall be better |
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| 20:10.17 | OneSeventeen | all of the boxes are plugged into the same switch |
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| 20:10.23 | alephant | I need help, I just installed with root in md and I can't boot an updated kernel package |
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| 20:10.30 | gniretar | PandaKun: Exim stinks. Use Postfix or Qmail |
| 20:10.37 | jim | OneSeventeen: and who owns this switch? |
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| 20:10.40 | greycat | !start an MTA war |
| 20:10.40 | dpkg | smail has shitty documentation |
| 20:10.44 | alephant | I'm getting a kernel panic, it appears that the initrd doesn't contain te required modules |
| 20:10.47 | OneSeventeen | CRT, our uni admins |
| 20:10.52 | stew | me_here_: telnet is very useful for lots of things |
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| 20:11.09 | greycat | me_here_: logging in through telnetd is bad. |
| 20:11.19 | alephant | I can hand-roll the new 2.6 kernel myself, but I'd rather do it the Debian Way... |
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| 20:11.27 | gniretar | !help |
| 20:11.36 | alephant | ...can anybody help me troubleshoot this initrd + md problem? |
| 20:11.37 | jetx | ahhh sorry bout that |
| 20:11.41 | gniretar | crap, no more bot previlages |
| 20:11.42 | stew | gniretar: /msg the bot please or play in #debian-bots |
| 20:11.50 | OneSeventeen | no, wait, HR is plugged into the wall port, as is Juan (another server I run), but pan and george are plugged into the switch |
| 20:11.59 | me_here_ | stew: i just ask myself it telnet client itself has any security drawbacks, that's why i ask, i know the server or telnetd can be harmful |
| 20:12.01 | drac | _wrykyn: yeah, same goes for package "links2", it's because.. it's Unstable.. thing break, and they should |
| 20:12.05 | OneSeventeen | and so far, HR is the only one not working. |
| 20:12.07 | greycat | me_here_: the client, no. |
| 20:12.10 | PandaKun | local delivery only |
| 20:12.11 | PandaKun | do i put that? |
| 20:12.15 | OneSeventeen | I do have 3 network ports, should I be using more than one? |
| 20:12.21 | stew | me_here_: no the telnet client does not have security drawbacks until you use it to connect to a telnetd |
| 20:12.25 | greycat | me_here_: just remember that anything you type in the telnet client is most likely sniffable |
| 20:12.27 | OneSeventeen | (I don't want security holes all over, but I do want to be able to apt-get) |
| 20:12.37 | zuralin | why would you use telnet when ssh is available? |
| 20:12.37 | me_here_ | greycat: ok |
| 20:12.38 | greycat | stew: or pop3d or imapd or ... |
| 20:12.40 | PandaKun | or do i put not on a network |
| 20:12.48 | greycat | zuralin: to test an MTA, web server, etc. |
| 20:12.54 | zuralin | netcat |
| 20:13.05 | greycat | sometimes the interactivity is nice |
| 20:13.10 | jim | OneSeventeen: ok, so you are plugged into a switch... what is the switch plugged into? |
| 20:13.28 | btwotch | lol |
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| 20:13.32 | greycat | *especially* with some modern MTAs that will mark you as a spammer if you send data before the banner |
| 20:13.35 | OneSeventeen | sorry, I was wrong, HR is plugged into a wall port, as are a few other servers, |
| 20:13.36 | jim | (it's nice to just gather all the info first) |
| 20:13.44 | Evil_Devil | Hi. |
| 20:13.44 | Evil_Devil | My torrent client is using too much connections at the same time and thats why i cant browse the net. |
| 20:13.44 | Evil_Devil | My question is how can i limit the number of connections? |
| 20:13.54 | greycat | read your torrent client's docs |
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| 20:14.02 | OneSeventeen | the switch powers a few of my linux servers and about 5 novell file servers |
| 20:14.06 | _wrykyn | darc: you can get mplayer on unstable though. I've done it before. I forgot the source. I think it was a ubuntu one (as far as I remember) but that's not working anymore. Sob sob |
| 20:14.14 | greycat | _wrykyn: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:14.15 | jetx | !marillat |
| 20:14.15 | dpkg | i heard marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 20:14.19 | alephant | Anybody get my question about my root-in-md setup that won't boot with my updated kernel package? |
| 20:14.24 | jim | ok... |
| 20:14.32 | jim | I think I got a basic picture |
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| 20:15.19 | Evil_Devil | i mean using the iptables or other stuff |
| 20:15.19 | _wrykyn | greycat: I had marillat in my sources list. That didn't do it |
| 20:15.40 | greycat | _wrykyn: funny, it works for everyone else... |
| 20:15.56 | OneSeventeen | I'm wondering if by switching from DHCP to Static IP via network config in Gnome, I missed a setting somewhere... |
| 20:15.58 | greycat | Evil_Devil: lartc.net or #iptables |
| 20:16.09 | Evil_Devil | 10x |
| 20:16.12 | greycat | or was it lartc.org |
| 20:16.25 | OneSeventeen | do I need to update a config file that may have gotten overlooked by gnome's network administration tools? |
| 20:16.27 | jim | OneSeventeen: first I need to see HR's /etc/network/interfaces; could you paste it on something like http://rafb.net/paste |
| 20:16.50 | paster | "sbk" at 156.153.255.243 pasted "extremely slow rsyncs -- server end ethereal dump" (18 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/541 |
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| 20:17.10 | sbk | folks -- have a strange problem, unable to dig in the right places for this. The symptom is an extremely slow rsync operation from client to server. A tethereal analysis indicates a lot of rexmits and zero window advertisements |
| 20:17.13 | travisat | OneSeventeen: you probably ought to learn to set your network by hand, then you wouldn't have to worry about gnome missing a setting |
| 20:17.19 | jim | I don't use gnome for any of that stuff; I just bite the bullet and hand-edit the config files directly |
| 20:17.49 | OneSeventeen | okay, I'm going to run down to the basement and get a bunch of stuff off of the server, it may take a little bit... any other files/output I should paste? |
| 20:18.10 | OneSeventeen | And, yes, I definitely want to do the network stuff by hand, but I haven't found a good tutorial for it just yet. |
| 20:18.13 | jim | can you telnet or ssh into this server? is is a linux? |
| 20:18.23 | sbk | The machines are connected via a cisco fasthub 400, if this makes any difference |
| 20:18.26 | jim | HR I guess |
| 20:18.51 | OneSeventeen | well, actually, is there a way to enable ssh? |
| 20:18.52 | xorname | ! |
| 20:18.54 | OneSeventeen | it is a fresh debian install |
| 20:18.59 | greycat | apt-get install ssh |
| 20:19.22 | jim | OneSeventeen: when you're downstairs, just do that and come back and try to connect to it |
| 20:19.23 | OneSeventeen | ssh should be on there already, it recognizes ssh as a command, but I haven't been able to ssh into it from a remote location. |
| 20:19.31 | nvz | mmmm . .. |
| 20:19.38 | jim | as whom? |
| 20:19.47 | alephant | Anybody able to help me get this new kernel to boot in my root-in-RAID system? |
| 20:19.53 | alephant | need help, please |
| 20:20.01 | mathieu_ | any advice on which font packages to install for debian stable ?L |
| 20:20.02 | OneSeventeen | (and I can't apt-get because I can't do anything that involves browsing the web... wget, apt-get, ping, all think there is no network connection) |
| 20:20.15 | OneSeventeen | I've tried to ssh in as the user I set up for myself. |
| 20:20.19 | alephant | installed new kernel package but initrd seems to be wrong, no longer can mount md device |
| 20:20.22 | alephant | anybody? |
| 20:20.24 | jim | ok, and it says? |
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| 20:20.52 | OneSeventeen | just a sec... lemme try it from this machine... |
| 20:21.32 | PandaKun | hey |
| 20:21.34 | PandaKun | what ports are exim |
| 20:21.35 | PandaKun | !exim ports |
| 20:21.39 | PandaKun | !dpkg exim4 ports |
| 20:21.41 | Bobby__G | OneSeventeen: sounds like a port problem |
| 20:21.48 | nvz | PandaKun: cut it out |
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| 20:21.52 | alephant | hello? is anybody out there? |
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| 20:21.55 | greycat | alephant: no. |
| 20:21.57 | PandaKun | ? |
| 20:22.00 | alephant | thanks, greycat. |
| 20:22.00 | greycat | PandaKun: SMTP is on port 25. |
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| 20:22.05 | PandaKun | ah thanks grey |
| 20:22.06 | jim | btw... hopefully you're writing all this stuff I'm asking you down; the answers -and- questions |
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| 20:22.22 | PandaKun | mx4.hotmail.com [65.54.190.179]: Connection time out |
| 20:22.26 | PandaKun | you know how to fix that |
| 20:22.27 | btwotch | dpkg, forgive |
| 20:22.32 | OneSeventeen | server responded "No further authentication methods available." But I think that's a message from the ssh client, not the server |
| 20:22.39 | jim | PandaKun: stop time! |
| 20:22.44 | PandaKun | ? |
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| 20:22.54 | PandaKun | i didnt get that joke |
| 20:23.00 | nvz | you cant go around fixing other peoples problems |
| 20:23.18 | lilldude | what size cpu is debian on |
| 20:23.19 | jim | OneSeventeen: I'm pretty sure you're reaching the server |
| 20:23.28 | lilldude | < here its on p3 550 |
| 20:23.40 | jim | lilldude: any one that will run linux |
| 20:23.51 | lilldude | p350 was slow |
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| 20:24.28 | OneSeventeen | when I set it to keyboard response, I get a popup asking for my password, I type it in, |
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| 20:24.45 | lilldude | who you talking abought grey cat? |
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| 20:24.48 | OneSeventeen | then it says "Enter your authentication response." then "OK" or "Cancel" (no text box) |
| 20:25.01 | abrotman | greycat: yes .. always |
| 20:25.06 | OneSeventeen | oh wait.. it just let me in... |
| 20:25.08 | xorname | ping OneSeventeen |
| 20:25.11 | OneSeventeen | weird, never happened before |
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| 20:25.22 | abrotman | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 20:25.24 | nvz | I am on some good eats right now.. had be fruit and veggies for lunch :) |
| 20:25.31 | OneSeventeen | okay, I am now "SSH"ed in, what should I do? |
| 20:25.35 | abrotman | nvz: Primanti! |
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| 20:25.52 | nvz | bah, you act like Primanti Bros is good or something |
| 20:25.53 | t0ffel | if you build a package with fakeroot, are CFLAGS used? |
| 20:25.55 | jim | women sometimes tatoo mascara on... permanent makeup... therefore he could be permanently intoxicated... |
| 20:26.02 | nvz | have you even been to the Primadonna before? |
| 20:26.02 | vectradailha | tem alguem que fala portugues |
| 20:26.05 | vectradailha | braisl |
| 20:26.07 | lilldude | dog eats grey cat yeah haw |
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| 20:26.07 | greycat | !br |
| 20:26.08 | abrotman | !br |
| 20:26.08 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:26.08 | vectradailha | braisl |
| 20:26.09 | Woland | ÐÓÑÑÊÈÅ ÅÑÒÜ? |
| 20:26.10 | jim | !br |
| 20:26.11 | stew | i used to like Primanti Brows |
| 20:26.12 | vectradailha | brasil |
| 20:26.17 | vectradailha | Brasil |
| 20:26.23 | stew | i don't think i'd like them anymore though |
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| 20:26.29 | alephant | wtf - is this #deb-pgh or something? |
| 20:26.34 | abrotman | stew: at least once .. it's .. an experience |
| 20:26.36 | OneSeventeen | okay, in interfaces, I notice that "broadcast" is different than my address, is this correct? |
| 20:26.39 | Rickyx | I forgot to enable one single module while building the kernel. What is the proper way of building the module without the whole kernel ? |
| 20:26.51 | abrotman | Rickyx: rebuild the whole kernel |
| 20:26.52 | greycat | Rickyx: that's improper. period. |
| 20:26.54 | stew | abrotman: i went to school there so i had them many more times than once |
| 20:26.57 | abrotman | it teaches humility :) |
| 20:27.04 | abrotman | stew: yeah .. i had it once :) |
| 20:27.08 | Rickyx | abrotman: How ? |
| 20:27.20 | vectradailha | alquem e do brasil |
| 20:27.20 | Rickyx | How is it improper ? |
| 20:27.21 | stew | !yinzersmote alephant |
| 20:27.31 | vectradailha | alquem e do brasil |
| 20:27.32 | abrotman | vectradailha: /j #debian-br |
| 20:27.33 | vectradailha | alquem e do brasil |
| 20:27.35 | vectradailha | alquem e do brasil |
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| 20:27.40 | Rickyx | What if someone wants to support debian kernels with updated device drivers ? |
| 20:27.43 | *** mode/#debian [+b %vectradailha!*@*] by greycat |
| 20:27.43 | Gathond | Rickyx: rebuild the whole thing, unless you run make clean then make should take care of only compiling stuff that is actually required to recompile |
| 20:27.48 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 20:27.57 | Rickyx | That doesn't make sense. |
| 20:27.57 | jim | what's %? |
| 20:28.02 | nvz | greycat: was that a +q? |
| 20:28.06 | streuner | yes |
| 20:28.13 | greycat | nvz: yes. |
| 20:28.20 | nvz | this new server is weird |
| 20:28.23 | greycat | jim: it's the way +q has always looked internally |
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| 20:28.32 | OneSeventeen | jim:http://rafb.net/paste/results/V83Xck54.html |
| 20:28.32 | greycat | jim: the new code just makes it more consistent externally |
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| 20:28.43 | Rickyx | I have my kernel, I have my build environment under which the kernel was built. I shouldn't be made to rebuild the whole kernel. |
| 20:28.45 | jim | OneSeventeen: thank you... |
| 20:29.04 | greycat | Rickyx: external device drivers would be in their own separate modules-images packages. |
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| 20:29.07 | ravenbird | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of btwotch) |
| 20:29.08 | greycat | err, modules_images |
| 20:29.22 | OneSeventeen | okay, the gateway is not the gateway I need... I think this is probably the file that is overlooked. |
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| 20:29.39 | OneSeventeen | how do I modify the contents of this file? (meaning, if I pico it, do I need to run another command, like ifdown and ifup?) |
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| 20:29.46 | Rickyx | But say if I need updated OpenIPMI drivers which are shipped by vendors. Then what ? |
| 20:29.47 | jim | yes. |
| 20:29.58 | jetx | i'm gonna be pissed if i buy one that doesn't work dudes... be warned. |
| 20:30.00 | greycat | OneSeventeen: modify it and then reboot to be sure you got it right. |
| 20:30.01 | jetx | muhahahaha |
| 20:30.02 | Rickyx | I think I'll find the solution and then think of talking back. |
| 20:30.20 | jim | you modify using a text editor... then you can ifdown/ifup to test and establish. |
| 20:30.25 | BusMaster | doesn;t sarge have mplayer or xine available via apt-get, if using stable ? |
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| 20:30.28 | OneSeventeen | okay, any generic terms for the items in that file? like gateway, is that the "default gateway"? |
| 20:30.35 | jim | yes |
| 20:30.40 | OneSeventeen | and what is "network" |
| 20:30.44 | greycat | OneSeventeen: man interfaces |
| 20:30.49 | nvz | note to jetx: its better to be pissed off then pissed on. |
| 20:30.52 | stew | OneSeventeen: you can leave out network and broadcast |
| 20:31.34 | jim | OneSeventeen, the explanation of these terms requires that you understand bitwise logic arithmetic... |
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| 20:31.48 | nvz | moral to that story. It could be worse, quit while you are ahead. |
| 20:32.31 | abrotman | nvz: amen to that! |
| 20:32.52 | _wrykyn | greycat: I got it working (mplayer). I had "unstable main" as the option in my marillat line inplace of "sid main". Thank you. |
| 20:32.54 | OneSeventeen | jim I guess I'd like to know what each item means, because I have been given the following: IP Address, 2 DNS servers, subnet mask, and a gateway |
| 20:32.55 | greycat | unless you've got a golden shower fetish |
| 20:33.07 | btwotch | ravenbird: hex 9999999999999999999999999 |
| 20:33.07 | ravenbird | 9999999999999999999999999 is 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 |
| 20:33.17 | btwotch | ravenbird: say hello |
| 20:33.17 | ravenbird | hello |
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| 20:33.21 | greycat | btwotch: stop. |
| 20:33.26 | dondelelcaro | btwotch: you were warned to stop doing that. |
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| 20:33.38 | streuner | what a moron |
| 20:33.40 | OneSeventeen | so if there is a place to put those IP's in that file, I'd like to. |
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| 20:34.07 | nvz | its kind of like that song by incubus "Blood On The Ground" bite your tongue because blood in your mouth it better than blood on the ground. |
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| 20:34.18 | stew | OneSeventeen: netmask == subnet mask; "man resolv.conf" for the nameservers |
| 20:34.24 | stew | err DNS servers |
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| 20:34.32 | greycat | !tell OneSeventeen about man interfaces |
| 20:34.48 | concept10 | any french speakers here |
| 20:34.49 | sts | hello folks |
| 20:35.02 | alephant | hi |
| 20:35.03 | _wrykyn | concept10: I speak french |
| 20:35.08 | nvz | dpkg: test |
| 20:35.08 | abrotman | SimonRaven: is that your bot? |
| 20:35.09 | dpkg | Sorry, nvz, I didn't get your test. |
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| 20:35.16 | sts | how do i best remove all the gnome stuff from my system? |
| 20:35.21 | stew | @owner |
| 20:35.21 | greycat | !remove gnome |
| 20:35.22 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 20:35.22 | ravenbird | simonrvn |
| 20:35.27 | concept10 | _wrykyn, what is accueil |
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| 20:35.45 | streuner | greycat: damn, you are fast today |
| 20:35.46 | nvz | abrotman: its wearing his cloak |
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| 20:35.58 | OneSeventeen | okay, I'm updating the file now, saving, and I'll reboot the server. |
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| 20:36.07 | abrotman | just ban the bot til SimonRaven returns |
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| 20:36.12 | stew | OneSeventeen: don't reboot, just /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 20:36.32 | Quinn_Storm | I'm trying to get some computers set up to share files among one another, all three are linux boxen two of which are running debian. NFS has proven itself to suck as bad as all the horror stories suggest, and I'm looking for a better alternative (other than samba of course). Any suggestions? |
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| 20:36.49 | stew | there's one now |
| 20:36.53 | nvz | heh |
| 20:36.53 | _wrykyn | concept10: welcome |
| 20:37.01 | streuner | How did he do that at all? |
| 20:37.04 | dondelelcaro | greycat: anyway, it should be ok now... I banned that person from botpark too |
| 20:37.11 | julien | coda Quinn_Storm |
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| 20:37.17 | dondelelcaro | streuner: he was in another channel that ravenbird was in, namely #botpark |
| 20:37.20 | Quinn_Storm | coda? ok, lemme check that out |
| 20:37.21 | concept10 | _wrykyn, thanks. I need a french to english dictionary |
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| 20:37.31 | *** mode/#debian [-b %ravenbird!*@*] by greycat |
| 20:37.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 20:37.36 | OneSeventeen | okay, I'm SSH'd in, just modified that file, ran networking restart, and then ping -c 3 local.server.edu |
| 20:37.40 | streuner | dondelelcaro: and he can still /msg to here? |
| 20:37.45 | OneSeventeen | then I get "unkown host local.server.edu" |
| 20:37.49 | greycat | streuner: /msg goes to users not channels |
| 20:37.57 | streuner | argh |
| 20:37.59 | jim | try by number |
| 20:38.05 | _wrykyn | concept10: http://humanities.uchicago.edu/orgs/ARTFL/forms_unrest/FR-ENG.html |
| 20:38.09 | abrotman | jim: murder by number? |
| 20:38.19 | greycat | abrotman: 65! |
| 20:38.23 | OneSeventeen | ha, yes, the thing you asked me to do earlier... |
| 20:38.26 | OneSeventeen | that worked jim |
| 20:38.27 | nvz | greycat: what he's getting at is how they got the bot to say something here, from another channel |
| 20:38.27 | Quinn_Storm | hmm...maybe I need to go to apt-get.org for coda? or is it something thats built-in? |
| 20:38.33 | concept10 | _wrykyn, thaks alot for that resource |
| 20:38.33 | dondelelcaro | streuner: it's some thing where you can /msg bot tell #debian about bar; because he was still in #debian but devoiced, he was able to get the bot to spam the channel |
| 20:38.35 | _wrykyn | concept10: If you want a book Larousse is pretty good |
| 20:38.36 | OneSeventeen | 0% loss, all is well with numbers. |
| 20:38.41 | sts | how do i best remove all the gnome stuff from my system? |
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| 20:38.51 | greycat | sts: you were already told |
| 20:38.53 | jim | ok, so: your network is up, your dns is yet to be made to work. |
| 20:38.53 | alephant | Anybody able to help me troubleshoot my initrd? |
| 20:38.56 | OneSeventeen | jim, possibly something wrong with dns settings? |
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| 20:39.12 | alephant | root in md works with 2.4.x kernel, not in apt-gotten 2.6.x kernel |
| 20:39.24 | jim | OneSeventeen: can you ping out from the server (again, by number)? |
| 20:39.26 | ecobit | "The following packages could not be authenticated" <-- how to authenticate them? |
| 20:39.27 | concept10 | _wrykyn, im just trying to convert this french language in this theme I have for my website |
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| 20:39.34 | stew | ecobit: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 20:39.39 | greycat | !works in 2.4 |
| 20:39.39 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 20:39.48 | sts | greycat: sorry, i must have overlooked it... someone was flooding the channel |
| 20:40.00 | abrotman | sts: they were? |
| 20:40.04 | greycat | sts: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 20:40.06 | _wrykyn | concept10: That could be rough if you have to look up every word |
| 20:40.20 | OneSeventeen | jim yes, I can ping other numbers in my network.. |
| 20:40.23 | alephant | thanks, greycat - it's tremendously helpful to have my poor choice of words pointed out to me |
| 20:40.30 | jim | OneSeventeen: one sec |
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| 20:41.09 | sts | abrotman, greycat: got it ;) |
| 20:41.15 | bjason | I am having trouble going about figuring out x.org |
| 20:41.26 | jim | OneSeventeen: from the server... ping 216.109.112.135 |
| 20:41.31 | OneSeventeen | (pinging external IP's gives me 100% packet loss because CRT disabled it) |
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| 20:41.33 | concept10 | _wrykyn, just a couple.. look here: http://tenthconcept.ath.cx/home |
| 20:41.45 | bjason | apt xorg |
| 20:41.48 | apt | rumour has it, xorg is The X.Org Foundation, the worldwide consortium empowered with the stewardship and collaborative development of the X Window System technology and standards. http://X.org/ |
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| 20:41.51 | t0ffel | where does debian or fakeroot get cflags from? I saw some weird stuff like -march=i486 -mcpu=i686 -O4 ? My CFLAGS say '-march=pentium4' and '-O2' etc. (but no -mcpu) |
| 20:42.05 | OneSeventeen | jim, yup, same thing, it tries, but has 100% packet loss |
| 20:42.07 | dondelelcaro | t0ffel: from the rules file typically. |
| 20:42.21 | OneSeventeen | (trying domain names gives no results other than unkown host) |
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| 20:42.24 | jim | OneSeventeen: so pings are not getting out or in |
| 20:42.33 | _wrykyn | concept10: Ok, that's not so bad |
| 20:42.43 | cougar` | brb |
| 20:42.45 | stew | t0ffel: what are you compiling? |
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| 20:42.56 | OneSeventeen | jim: correct. I can ping it from within the network, but cannot ping anything out of the universitie's network. |
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| 20:43.08 | OneSeventeen | jim: you can try pinging it (you've got the IP in that paste, and the url is hr.unm.edu ) |
| 20:43.09 | t0ffel | stew: mplayer |
| 20:43.27 | stew | t0ffel: is there a reason you aren't just apt-getting it from marillat? |
| 20:43.28 | nvz | well looks like the weatherman was wrong again. called for nice sunny days until the weekend here it is tuesday and looks like rain |
| 20:43.32 | Quinn_Storm | ahhh coda is in experimental |
| 20:43.33 | Quinn_Storm | no wonder |
| 20:43.48 | Quinn_Storm | hmm any suggestions that are more...stable? I mean I know experimental might be okay but... |
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| 20:44.07 | OneSeventeen | jim: Oh and when I restarted the network, I got about 4 lines of responses, this one bothers me: "Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCDELRT: No such process" |
| 20:44.19 | t0ffel | stew: I tried, something wasn't right. And since I've come this far.. |
| 20:44.32 | bjason | does the package x-window-system now include xorg? |
| 20:44.33 | stew | t0ffel: what wasn't right? |
| 20:44.37 | jim | OneSeventeen: it's because you changed your gw |
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| 20:44.41 | whosurddy | ok... i've done the google and man page and all that stuff but i'm having a real tough time grasping automount map files... :-( You know what they say, a picture is worth a thousand words... maybe I need a link to a site with a couple dozen pics of the relationships between these things.. |
| 20:44.47 | greycat | bjason: in sid. |
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| 20:45.01 | jim | howbout this... try rebooting the server and see if it still does the same things |
| 20:45.08 | bjason | is sid "unstable" ?? |
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| 20:45.11 | concept10 | _wrykyn, i still cant find aujourd'hui |
| 20:45.11 | OneSeventeen | okay, brb |
| 20:45.12 | greycat | yes |
| 20:45.19 | bjason | koo, that's what i'm using |
| 20:45.20 | nvz | bjason: always |
| 20:45.21 | bjason | thanks |
| 20:45.30 | t0ffel | stew: don't remember exactly, but a package was missing somehow and left mplayer only partly configured (?) |
| 20:45.31 | sizban_ | how can i find which version of debian i'm running? is there an equivalent of redhat's /etc/redhat-release ? |
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| 20:45.38 | jim | You are being CTCP flooded from genitals, ignoring *!*@210.22.80.74 |
| 20:45.40 | nvz | sizban_: /etc/debian_version |
| 20:45.42 | PeterB | sizban_: /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:45.47 | greycat | jim: you too? tell beu |
| 20:45.47 | nvz | sizban_: if you could imagine such a thing :P |
| 20:45.56 | _wrykyn | concept10: It means 'today' |
| 20:45.57 | t0ffel | anyway, stew, got an idea how I can change the cflags? |
| 20:46.02 | jim | beu: I are being CTCP flooded from genitals, ignoring *!*@210.22.80.74 |
| 20:46.05 | ticktoc | ok... i've done the google and man page and all that stuff but i'm having a real tough time grasping automount map files... :-( You know what they say, a picture is worth a thousand words... maybe I need a link to a site with a couple dozen pics of the relationships between these things.. |
| 20:46.12 | greycat | jim: he's not in #debian.. |
| 20:46.15 | stew | t0ffel: are you building for upstream sources or rebuilding a debian package? |
| 20:46.21 | concept10 | _wrykyn, thanks |
| 20:46.23 | greycat | jim: but he's the "on duty staffer" in /stats p |
| 20:46.38 | t0ffel | stew: everything's straight from mplayerhq |
| 20:46.48 | jim | sent |
| 20:46.52 | stew | t0ffel: then it must be coming from the MAKEFILE |
| 20:47.17 | t0ffel | stew: thanks. I'll try not to break anything |
| 20:47.20 | sizban_ | alright, so my debian 3.1 system has sendmail 8.13.4-3 installed (`apt-get install sendmail`), and the /etc/mail/sendmail.cf file changes EVERY time the system boots. i modify it, md5sum it to see, reboot the system, and an md5sum shows that it was in fact changed back at reboot ... any ideas what's causing it to change? |
| 20:47.58 | jim | sizban_: it probably generates the .cf using the m4 config |
| 20:48.02 | greycat | sendmail is not extremely popular here. |
| 20:48.04 | greycat | just so y'know. |
| 20:48.09 | dondelelcaro | jim: heh. I think I've banned that IP too |
| 20:48.38 | sizban_ | jim; i grepped the /etc/init.d/ directory for sendmail.cf and there's nothing that replaces it at boot ... and stopping and starting the service with /etc/init.d/ scripts doesn't modify the config ... only a reboot will |
| 20:48.49 | abrotman | i feel so left out .. no spam ... |
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| 20:48.56 | stew | t0ffel: the version from mplayerhq is the same version that is currently available from marillat |
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| 20:49.08 | greycat | sizban_: maybe you could "immutable" the file and then see who complains |
| 20:49.10 | jim | abrotman: apparantly hawaiians love spam |
| 20:49.18 | dondelelcaro | sizban_: I don't think I've ever seen that before; check for some sort of dhcp hook rebuilding the .cf file to match your hostname |
| 20:49.26 | ticktoc | my thoughts exactly greycat.. |
| 20:49.26 | abrotman | jim: they do huh .. with pineapple i suppose |
| 20:49.45 | stew | t0ffel: the chances of you making things better and not worse by compiling it yourself are probably small |
| 20:49.46 | jim | different ways, yeah... my cousin has hawaiian blood |
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| 20:50.16 | dondelelcaro | sizban_: and note that all that it takes to rebuild the .cf file is someone modifying one of the mc files and running make in /etc/mail; |
| 20:50.21 | bjason | I want to setup fluxbox with xorg... with xfree i'd exec it using .xinitrc .... how do i do it now with xorg? |
| 20:50.21 | greycat | jim: you're talking about the food product from Hormel? comes in cans? |
| 20:50.25 | ariston | i'm trying to mount a NFS share on my sarge machine with nfsv3 and its giving me an error |
| 20:50.26 | t0ffel | stew: ok. Nothing in Makefile, but looks like configure may have something to do with it. |
| 20:50.26 | ariston | unknown nfs mount option: nfsv3 |
| 20:50.27 | jim | yes |
| 20:50.37 | dondelelcaro | fried spam on rice is excellent. |
| 20:50.39 | greycat | jim: well, I guess *someone* must be buying it... |
| 20:50.43 | stew | t0ffel: configure is what makes the Makefile |
| 20:50.45 | ariston | the NFS server i know is nfsv3 compatible |
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| 20:51.55 | lixar | hi, i'm trying to do a apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; and i get a "The following package have been kept back ....." with a whole load of packages. what does this mean? |
| 20:52.03 | greycat | !kept back |
| 20:52.03 | dpkg | somebody said kept back was when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for you.. |
| 20:52.28 | lixar | oooh |
| 20:52.30 | lixar | thanks! |
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| 20:53.31 | jim | OneSeventeen: I can reach your machine over ssh, postgres, tcp port 865, auth, http |
| 20:53.35 | Nilbus | Anyone familiar with the coldplug package? http://blog.bofh.it/id_100 ; http://www.bofh.it/~md/debian/ |
| 20:53.46 | dondelelcaro | jim: yeah, that ip you were having problems with is banned here |
| 20:53.49 | cbr | it's included in hotplug in debian afaik |
| 20:54.09 | greycat | what's up with these plugs again!? Can't anyone get them *warm*? |
| 20:54.10 | jim | GNAA maybe? |
| 20:54.17 | Nilbus | cbr, included how? |
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| 20:54.46 | jim | the guy I'm helping is at 129.24.210.32 |
| 20:54.47 | IveGotADD | what version of gnome does the newest release come w/ ? 2.10 / 2.8 ? |
| 20:54.48 | Nilbus | cbr, as a dep? |
| 20:54.51 | cbr | Nilbus: well hotplug was divided to hotplug and coldplug |
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| 20:54.57 | cbr | in gentoo for example |
| 20:54.57 | greycat | IveGotADD: see packages.debian.org |
| 20:54.58 | Nilbus | ah |
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| 20:55.31 | jim | one_seventeen: I can reach your web site now |
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| 20:55.55 | jim | also... |
| 20:55.55 | IveGotADD | 2.8 ? |
| 20:55.56 | one_seventeen | jim: I'm on the server now, just apt-get xchat to get what I'm using to chat here now! |
| 20:56.04 | jim | OneSeventeen: I can reach your machine over ssh, postgres, tcp port 865, auth, http |
| 20:56.10 | one_seventeen | I can also easily ping domain names and all that stuff |
| 20:56.16 | jim | good, good |
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| 20:56.29 | one_seventeen | okay, now the *real* questions begin! |
| 20:56.47 | jim | what real questions??! |
| 20:56.52 | sts | hrhr |
| 20:56.58 | sts | keep it real! |
| 20:57.02 | one_seventeen | I want this to be a webserver with php5, mysql, postgresql, and a few custom php5 addons. |
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| 20:57.14 | stew | !php5 |
| 20:57.14 | dpkg | php5 is currently only available in unstable. if you require php5 for sarge, first check your head, then ask me about <dotdeb>, however, if you use dotdeb packages you are on your own. |
| 20:57.20 | greycat | mysql *and* postgresql? |
| 20:57.25 | greycat | .... why? |
| 20:57.28 | one_seventeen | I also want there to be a remote login (it can be just one) to upload/download websites. |
| 20:57.29 | jim | yeah, why both? |
| 20:57.43 | one_seventeen | actually, scratch postgres, I'll put that on a dev machine |
| 20:57.47 | jim | one_seventeen: scp ok for that |
| 20:57.48 | jim | ? |
| 20:57.55 | one_seventeen | scp? |
| 20:58.01 | jim | you seem to already have postgres running |
| 20:58.14 | one_seventeen | yeah, I think it was in the default "webserver" package... |
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| 20:58.34 | jim | so you're looking for a web development platform? |
| 20:58.34 | PerfDave | Mmm, postgres |
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| 20:59.03 | stew | postgres for the dev environment and mysql for the production environment? abrotman must be sleeping |
| 20:59.08 | one_seventeen | yes, this is going to be a production webserver for my department. |
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| 20:59.13 | Ungy | PerfDave you like postgres? |
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| 20:59.15 | abrotman | stew: mysql is crap! |
| 20:59.25 | abrotman | !mysql gotchas |
| 20:59.25 | dpkg | mysql gotchas is, like, http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html |
| 20:59.27 | jim | !start a kernel panic |
| 20:59.27 | dpkg | omg! OMG! this arch is soooo SCARY! |
| 20:59.33 | one_seventeen | I want to learn postgres because of stored procedures and triggers and whatnot, |
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| 20:59.45 | abrotman | so use it on production too |
| 20:59.54 | abrotman | stop using Access^WMySQL |
| 21:00.00 | Ungy | one_seventeen, what about 3 months and mysql has those ;-) |
| 21:00.00 | jim | one_seventeen: you might look into openacs |
| 21:00.10 | one_seventeen | but I don't want to learn on a production machine |
| 21:00.12 | abrotman | Ungy: that's still alpha/beta |
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| 21:00.24 | one_seventeen | yeah, I'm looking forward to MySQL 5, but don't want to mess with betas |
| 21:00.26 | abrotman | Ungy: and will be in debian .. when? .. 2k7? |
| 21:00.28 | jim | alphabeta... there used to be a store called that |
| 21:00.31 | Ungy | abrotman beta and yes it shoudl be out in roughly 3 months |
| 21:00.32 | one_seventeen | (but still want to be bleeding edge on the php5 thing) |
| 21:00.42 | PerfDave | Ungy: I love postgres, it gives me the raging hard-on |
| 21:00.42 | abrotman | Ungy: and still crap? :) |
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| 21:00.57 | one_seventeen | I loves me some proper OOP, and PHP 4 just doesn't have it. |
| 21:00.58 | Ungy | abrotman I am using 4.1 in Debian and that was released recently |
| 21:01.10 | Ungy | PerfDave scary |
| 21:01.12 | jim | one_seventeen: you should look into openacs :) |
| 21:01.18 | PerfDave | Postgres is up there with Oracle in the "proper database" category |
| 21:01.26 | jim | it's got a learning curve... |
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| 21:01.33 | abrotman | what does? |
| 21:01.38 | jim | openacs |
| 21:01.40 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:01.44 | sts | jim: whats openacs? |
| 21:02.01 | one_seventeen | ?? MySQL is free, I'm not redestributing it in any closed source products |
| 21:02.07 | abrotman | mysql stinks ... |
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| 21:02.10 | abrotman | sucks ... |
| 21:02.13 | abrotman | blows.... |
| 21:02.31 | abrotman | it's the only thing i like less than kde .. and that's saying a lot |
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| 21:02.39 | abrotman | !ops ravenbird |
| 21:02.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: ravenbird |
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| 21:02.43 | jim | it's a web development platform that has pluggable application packages and a site map where you create URL mount points and mount applications on them |
| 21:02.58 | Clad | Hi there |
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| 21:03.01 | sts | omg! wtf is with this guy? |
| 21:03.03 | abrotman | i thought that were fixed? |
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| 21:03.11 | abrotman | sts: he's got brain damage |
| 21:03.29 | Ungy | PerfDave Oracle is absolute crap if that is waht your definition of a good database I am scared |
| 21:03.29 | sts | hm..i c |
| 21:03.29 | one_seventeen | MySQL actually isn't that horrible, kind of like windows notepad.. yeah it adds weird newline characters and doesn't do color coding, but sometimes you just need a quick text editor. |
| 21:03.41 | abrotman | Ungy: crap for what? .. all 1,000 of your rows? |
| 21:03.45 | bahamat | so, what combination of bulls, goats and chickens do I need to sacrifice (and to whom) in order to get tftpd working? |
| 21:04.00 | abrotman | bahamat: you need a sheep ... you forgot the sheep! |
| 21:04.05 | jim | sts: in answer to your question that is :) |
| 21:04.11 | bahamat | abrotman: shit |
| 21:04.11 | one_seventeen | I'm pretty anti Oracle myself. I just hate the fact that after uninstalling Oracle, I still had 2 oracle processes running and 4 gig of hard drive space taken up by it. |
| 21:04.20 | Ungy | abrotman Oracle is a pin in the ass sure it does what you want after about 20 freaking hours of configuration hat shoulsd be deafult behavior |
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| 21:04.41 | abrotman | Ungy: it's not a chevy |
| 21:04.41 | flipmcf | any exp here with 3c509 driver - an ISA etherlink III card .... |
| 21:04.43 | bahamat | abrotman: I've got two boxes, and I can't get anything out of either of them |
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| 21:04.57 | abrotman | bahamat: i've tried numerous times .. always fall back to floppies to install |
| 21:04.59 | PerfDave | Ungy: What, and MySQL is better than Oracle? |
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| 21:05.10 | abrotman | PerfDave: you didn't really need that data :) |
| 21:05.14 | bahamat | abrotman: need to upgrade the flash on a cisco switch |
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| 21:05.19 | Ungy | abrotman being a former dba trust me on this one Oracle is an overpriced bloated piece of crap |
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| 21:05.25 | abrotman | !tftp |
| 21:05.25 | dpkg | [tftp] the trivial file transfer protocol. an insecure file transfer protocol without authentification designed to transfer trivial files to diskless clients. |
| 21:05.28 | abrotman | nice |
| 21:05.30 | sts | flipmcf: meta question? |
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| 21:05.40 | AudiAt3r | hi all |
| 21:05.40 | abrotman | Ungy: i've used it .. i've adminned it .. mysql is a pile of shit compared to oracle |
| 21:05.42 | flipmcf | sts yeah :) |
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| 21:05.55 | Ungy | PerfDave no Mysql isn't better it is different it is good for most things I wouldn't pout a transaction database on it but for most things it is more then enough and damn speedy |
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| 21:06.16 | abrotman | Ungy: i prefer my data to still be there in the morning .. no matter how long the setup is .. because if you do the setup right .. how many times do you have to do it? |
| 21:06.18 | bahamat | abrotman: it'd be nice if there was actually somewhere a tftpd I could install that actually worked |
| 21:06.19 | PerfDave | Ungy: Oracle is *massively* powerful. It's true that you need a dedicated Oracle DBA or two to get the best use out of it, but in terms of its scale, it's awesome. The only bit of Free software that comes close that I've seen is Postgres. Postgres is orders of magnitude better than MySQL in terms of reliability, capability and elegance. |
| 21:06.20 | flipmcf | sts got a box here with unknown irq's on isa ports. Can get 3c509 driver to load, and ifconfig eth0 up will show a connectivity light. |
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| 21:06.34 | flipmcf | sts: but can't ping (except loopback and my own ip) nor arp |
| 21:06.38 | abrotman | bahamat: you've tried that section of the debian manual? |
| 21:06.39 | dbernar1 | is there a way to make apt-get update not ign certain repos? |
| 21:07.07 | bahamat | abrotman: which section? |
| 21:07.17 | abrotman | bahamat: the section about tftp installs :) |
| 21:07.18 | flipmcf | sts: tried all my irq's wondering if I should now mess with base address also - I figure if eth0 up actually brings up the card, then my base address is probably correct - am I right? |
| 21:07.19 | jim | also oracle and PG are both acid-compliant, and both have outer joins |
| 21:07.31 | abrotman | where's paul when you need him :) |
| 21:07.34 | Ungy | abrotman depends on how good your developers are now isn't it if your always changing shit it becomes a pain in the butt |
| 21:07.37 | one_seventeen | I like mysql because it's what I know, but I want to learn PG since I'm an open source fanatic |
| 21:07.44 | abrotman | Ungy: which is true with ANY database |
| 21:07.45 | one_seventeen | (and the features look nice) |
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| 21:07.53 | flipmcf | maybe, tho, there is some neat utility I'm missing for brainless folks like me who forget to check IRQ's before wipeing windows off a machine. |
| 21:07.56 | dondelelcaro | Ungy: not any more so than any other database |
| 21:07.58 | jim | one_seventeen: take a look at greenpeace.org |
| 21:07.59 | sts | flipmcf: i don't know...i don't even know anything about the isa bus .... before my time ;) |
| 21:08.04 | bahamat | abrotman: I didn't even know there was a section |
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| 21:08.10 | sts | flipmcf: at least not a lot ;) |
| 21:08.12 | flipmcf | sts: I must be getting old then |
| 21:08.17 | Ungy | abrotman in some ways yes in others no Changes made in other databses I have found to be much easier |
| 21:08.19 | one_seventeen | jim: bah! I hate greenpeace more than abrotman hates kde! |
| 21:08.20 | abrotman | bahamat: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en |
| 21:08.26 | flipmcf | sts: 3 words "plug and pray" |
| 21:08.27 | sts | flipmcf: at least older than me :) |
| 21:08.28 | sts | :P |
| 21:08.29 | PerfDave | I went from SQL Server 6.5 (which was pretty nice) and 7.0beta to Oracle, then to MySQL where I always felt that something was lacking, and thence to Postgres where I finally wound up happy. |
| 21:08.33 | abrotman | Ungy: it still sucks .. no matter what ... stupid damn developers :) |
| 21:08.38 | jim | one_seventeen: the website? |
| 21:08.40 | Clad | Sorry for being that noob but i've just setup a debian (3.1) and seems like it does not accept incoming connection... how can I accept all incomings ? or at least certain ports (21, 80, 6667...) ? |
| 21:08.59 | abrotman | bahamat: and that's all i know about it |
| 21:08.59 | bahamat | abrotman: maybe that'll help... |
| 21:09.09 | one_seventeen | jim: oh, no just the organization... |
| 21:09.11 | abrotman | bahamat: black magic indeed |
| 21:09.15 | PerfDave | Clad: Uhm, if you want to accept incoming connections on ports, you need to run services that listen on those ports. |
| 21:09.25 | mirak | is there a way to write an iso of a cd raw on a cd |
| 21:09.25 | Ungy | In any sense you couldn;t pay me to work with Oracle again I will work with db2 firebird mysql mssql and postgres but no Oracle for me |
| 21:09.25 | mirak | ? |
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| 21:09.31 | jim | one_seventeen: oh, ok... well take a look at their site... it's an openacs |
| 21:09.51 | one_seventeen | can you throw in complicated PHP apps easily? |
| 21:09.55 | sts | Clad: what are you planning to do? provide services? a firewall? ... |
| 21:09.55 | Ungy | Shadowcat, pull the trigger |
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| 21:10.01 | jim | and photo.net, an original acs using oracle |
| 21:10.03 | Shadowcat | BANG! |
| 21:10.05 | flipmcf | isa bus, that is. |
| 21:10.09 | Shadowcat | Ungy is now officially dead |
| 21:10.11 | abrotman | !isapnp |
| 21:10.11 | dpkg | somebody said isapnp was a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump, or http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/ |
| 21:10.25 | one_seventeen | jim (we have great need for custom PHP scripts, which is the whole reason for us housing our own webserver) |
| 21:10.27 | flipmcf | abrotman ty :) |
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| 21:10.34 | jim | why php? |
| 21:10.38 | abrotman | flipmcf: is the card PnP or jumpered? |
| 21:10.43 | TwistedEmotions | Hey guys. I setup apache2 w/php and mysql with the help of mambo. Wondering does anyone know if there is some module or pre-existing script that will allow people to logon to my website, load a applet/module kinda thing... then I can take over their computer? I am looking for a way to get around the firewalls of all the people that I need to help without subscribing to GoToMypc or whatever... I see no reason to pay th |
| 21:10.43 | TwistedEmotions | em if something like that already exists. |
| 21:10.47 | jim | prewritten? |
| 21:10.48 | Clad | PerfDave > of course i'm doing so, i've setup unrealircD, I can connect to the ircd in my local network via 192.168.0.x but not via my public IP (my router is redirecting the public IP to that computer IP of course) |
| 21:10.49 | flipmcf | abrotman, I wish it was jumpered |
| 21:10.52 | one_seventeen | jim because it's what I'm used to, and I'm fairly closeminded =) |
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| 21:11.00 | abrotman | flipmcf: i'm sorry .. your life will be very complicated for a bit |
| 21:11.02 | flipmcf | I'll go look REALLY HARD for jumpers... but I doubt it. |
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| 21:11.19 | jshriver | anyone here use mencoder? how do you specify so you can record the audio from line in? |
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| 21:11.20 | flipmcf | abrotman, figured. Still as complicated as it always was, I guess. |
| 21:11.21 | goron | What is the most advanced and most stable bookkeeping software and is not proprietary? |
| 21:11.28 | one_seventeen | I do have tons of PHP scripts in use already, and we are trying to consolidate them all to one server |
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| 21:11.41 | abrotman | goron: sql-ledger,gnucash .. the only ones i know .. check freshmeat |
| 21:11.50 | goron | abrotman: already done that. |
| 21:11.53 | flipmcf | abrotman: good card in it's day. 3-com Etherlink III |
| 21:11.56 | jim | goron: there might be sql-ledger which is a perl web thingy |
| 21:11.58 | one_seventeen | I've only used gnucash and I like it... |
| 21:12.01 | PerfDave | Clad: You're running a firewall on the machine? You can see external connections coming in with tcpdump? |
| 21:12.02 | abrotman | flipmcf: oohh .. all three connectors? |
| 21:12.09 | sts | PerfDave: maybe unrealircD restricts services to some nets by default? (not that i ever used it...) |
| 21:12.14 | goron | It's for a 35+ company. |
| 21:12.23 | flipmcf | abrortman not sure what you mean.... |
| 21:12.25 | goron | Would GnuCash still apply then? |
| 21:12.27 | abrotman | 35+ what? |
| 21:12.31 | bahamat | abrotman: the thing that really pisses me off is that in ethereal I can see the full file transfer back (two bytes), but the client still says transfer timed out |
| 21:12.33 | Clad | i'm not running a firewall, i thought maybe debian did automatically during the install... i'm gonna try tcpdump |
| 21:12.33 | sts | s/PerfDave/Clad/ |
| 21:12.36 | abrotman | flipmcf: AUI,BNC,RJ45 .. all three |
| 21:12.38 | goron | employees. |
| 21:12.41 | jim | one_seventeen: so the "great need" is not because you have a whole programming staff that knows php? |
| 21:12.49 | abrotman | goron: those are the only two i know of |
| 21:12.53 | one_seventeen | so anyone know how to set up a secure method for uploading files to my website? |
| 21:12.56 | flipmcf | abrotman oh, no. That would rock. Just RJ45 |
| 21:13.00 | abrotman | one_seventeen: scp,https |
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| 21:13.11 | jim | one_seventeen: look into scp, sftp |
| 21:13.13 | sts | Clad: debian doesn't |
| 21:13.18 | abrotman | flipmcf: many still exist .. but AUI and BNC are hard networks to find these days :) |
| 21:13.19 | one_seventeen | jim: ha! staff... that would be me (everyone else quit!) |
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| 21:13.35 | jim | why? |
| 21:13.42 | sts | Clad: have you tried to telnet to 6667? |
| 21:13.45 | Clad | tcpdump : command not found (even as root) |
| 21:13.46 | Ungy | jim why ask why? |
| 21:13.56 | jim | cause! |
| 21:13.56 | PerfDave | Clad: Install it? |
| 21:14.00 | one_seventeen | why what? |
| 21:14.01 | sts | Clad: then you'll need to install it? |
| 21:14.08 | jim | I always ask why... |
| 21:14.18 | one_seventeen | (jumping between chats, hard to keep up) |
| 21:14.19 | abrotman | PerfDave: but do you have the cables? |
| 21:14.22 | flipmcf | abrotman I don't remember AUI. BNC I do. |
| 21:14.27 | jim | "my debian doesn't work" "why?" |
| 21:14.29 | abrotman | flipmcf: find an old SPARC box |
| 21:14.30 | Mask | I am using Debian Testing with ALSA. Do I have to do anything special besides installing the "aRts" package to install aRts? |
| 21:14.30 | g00se | May be being a bit thick but why would one run rsync(d) as a daemon? |
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| 21:14.40 | flipmcf | abrotman is that like token ring connector? a serial-type? |
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| 21:15.04 | jshriver | I'm trying to use my WinTV Go Hauppauge card under linux |
| 21:15.12 | jim | why did they all quit? |
| 21:15.13 | jshriver | I can see and hear it fine.. but when I try to record I get no sound |
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| 21:15.32 | Clad | How do i use MS Telnet PerfDave ? i don't know the syntax |
| 21:15.38 | one_seventeen | jim: what would you reccomend for a dynamic site? (including custom apps, such as reports, surveys, and other in-house tools) |
| 21:15.40 | jshriver | I trtied loading both btaudio for OSS, and snd-bt87x for ALSA.. niether work |
| 21:15.45 | one_seventeen | they quit because HR doesn't pay worth crap. |
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| 21:15.46 | abrotman | flipmcf: it's wider .. |
| 21:15.52 | jim | ms telnet doesn't have a very good terminal emu |
| 21:15.53 | goron | sql-ledger sure looks somewhat polished/trustworthy. Thanks abroman and jim(a.o.). |
| 21:15.55 | PerfDave | Clad: No idea, I don't use Windows. |
| 21:15.58 | Ungy | HR pays them? |
| 21:16.14 | jshriver | when I check dmesg it shows ALSA found: 0 bttv audio blah blah |
| 21:16.17 | jim | one_seventeen: the only one I really know well... openacs |
| 21:16.20 | one_seventeen | (and I stayed because I don't have a degree, so I don't qualify for the higher paying positions) |
| 21:16.36 | one_seventeen | so would I be able to write custom apps for the site? if so, what language would I have to use? |
| 21:16.39 | abrotman | bahamat: i said .. black magic :) |
| 21:16.42 | TiTAN_pi8 | anybody know why i receive this error when running dpkg -i? subprocess dpkg-split returned error exit status 64 |
| 21:16.49 | greenman | hi folks |
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| 21:17.17 | jim | yes, tcl, sql, ((oracle and pl/sql) or (postgres and plpgsql)) |
| 21:17.18 | abrotman | flipmcf: http://www.calgraphinc.com/Support/sqe.html .. thewide .. not the round |
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| 21:17.50 | one_seventeen | jim: is openacs a language in itself, or would I use python or perl or something to access those data sources? |
| 21:17.57 | jim | tcl |
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| 21:18.42 | jim | oh, also openacs has an extensive data model that has been well-tested since ACS days, 1998 or so |
| 21:19.11 | jim | and equally extensive stored-proc and tcl apis |
| 21:19.22 | sts | Clad: just open an command prompt and type : telnet <host.domain.tld> <port> |
| 21:19.36 | PerfDave | abrotman: I think I've still got AUI cables around from when I used AUI to connect various hubs, no idea where though |
| 21:19.50 | abrotman | i used to have a transciever for my SPARC box |
| 21:20.06 | sts | s/an/a/ |
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| 21:20.32 | jim | so in the sense that openacs has these apis, yes, it's very like a language |
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| 21:20.58 | one_seventeen | I might throw that on our development server to consider |
| 21:21.04 | g00se | (Answers his own question) rsyncd is run on a box *to* which you're rsyncing |
| 21:21.07 | one_seventeen | I was thinking of plone earlier, but I want to stick with 100% open soruce |
| 21:21.09 | one_seventeen | (source) |
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| 21:22.23 | Debird | I want to add etherconf to a working Debian Sarge system. I am using Aptitude. It wants to remove mysql-common-4.1 and install mysql-common which shows 5.0.11beta. Should I trust Aptitude or is this going to hose my system or is there something else I should do? Thanks. |
| 21:22.23 | batlogg|flood | is executing update-rc.d service_name start 99 2 3 4 5 . stop 0 1 6 . the only way to add services to runlevels? or is there an easier way? |
| 21:22.27 | jim | as far as rendering html, it has a wide-ranging templating system... so you can have a graphic designer come in (that knows html), teach him/her a handful of tags (for accessing tabular/listwise/scalar data sources), and then said graphic designer has full control over the look of the site |
| 21:23.05 | Baltazar | hello guys!!! |
| 21:23.14 | Baltazar | may i ask a question?? |
| 21:23.22 | jim | you just did |
| 21:23.32 | Baltazar | and again? |
| 21:23.35 | jim | you just did |
| 21:23.36 | nvz | sorry you only get two |
| 21:23.37 | g00se | !tell Baltazar about ask |
| 21:23.39 | nvz | you wasted them |
| 21:23.42 | sts | Baltazar: no pelease dont! |
| 21:23.58 | sts | ; |
| 21:23.59 | sts | ;) |
| 21:24.12 | Baltazar | i am running demudi |
| 21:24.26 | nvz | Baltazar: which is _not_ debian ;) |
| 21:24.30 | Baltazar | having problems when using flac samples |
| 21:24.31 | sts | Clad: so..? |
| 21:24.33 | Baltazar | in hydrogen |
| 21:24.37 | jim | hmm, maybe we can't help |
| 21:24.40 | PerfDave | Baltazar: #demudi - Demudi is not Debian. |
| 21:24.51 | Baltazar | demudi is debian |
| 21:24.54 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 21:24.58 | abrotman | trust us on this |
| 21:24.59 | nvz | Baltazar: no actually its not |
| 21:25.06 | one_seventeen | jim: does scp come with the base debian install? |
| 21:25.11 | Baltazar | debian multimedia distribution |
| 21:25.11 | abrotman | we're in #debian all the time .. Demudi isn't debian :) |
| 21:25.12 | jim | it comes with ssh |
| 21:25.20 | Baltazar | it does |
| 21:25.24 | PerfDave | Baltazar: It's not Debian, it's Debian-based, but not Debian. |
| 21:25.36 | Baltazar | however .... |
| 21:25.43 | sts | well... |
| 21:25.43 | Baltazar | install is the same |
| 21:25.44 | sts | :D |
| 21:25.49 | PerfDave | Baltazar: We don't support Debian-based distros here. Go talk to #demudi. |
| 21:25.49 | nvz | nope |
| 21:25.57 | PerfDave | Demudi *used* to be a rather sensible package repository for Debian systems, but they had to go and fuck it up. |
| 21:26.02 | jim | Baltazar: if someone here answers your question, better check the answer before trying to apply it |
| 21:26.05 | one_seventeen | it looks like ssh is already installed, any tips on how to set it up so I can remote in from an ftp client or the like? |
| 21:26.21 | abrotman | use filezilla via windows .. and connect |
| 21:26.21 | PerfDave | one_seventeen: Why would you try to use an FTP client to connect to an SSH server? |
| 21:26.23 | nvz | Baltazar: install is not the same. debian and its users know debian is a 100% free policy based software distribution |
| 21:26.26 | halibut | gustavsen |
| 21:26.29 | jim | one_seventeen: try remoting in using sftp |
| 21:26.31 | halibut | oops |
| 21:26.32 | halibut | what is the console command for "start new session"? |
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| 21:26.47 | jim | BDSM session?? |
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| 21:26.54 | Baltazar | i am changing my question |
| 21:26.58 | nvz | nowhere in the policy does debian outline random distributions of software made with the bootcd package |
| 21:26.59 | karrot-x | whats the propper way to state 10.10.10.0-255 is it 10.10.10/24 or 10.10.10.0/24? |
| 21:27.06 | halibut | jim, kde session |
| 21:27.06 | Baltazar | i am running debian sarge as well |
| 21:27.16 | Baltazar | the same problem with hydrogen |
| 21:27.19 | jim | karrot-x: latter |
| 21:27.22 | nvz | Baltazar: try changing where you ask the question. |
| 21:27.25 | Baltazar | can not play flac samples |
| 21:27.27 | PerfDave | Baltazar: Suuuure you are. Now go ask #demudi about your Demudi problem. |
| 21:27.34 | jim | Baltazar: what's flac |
| 21:27.45 | nvz | Free Loss-less Audio Codec |
| 21:27.51 | stouset | jim: Free Lossless Audo Codec |
| 21:27.52 | Baltazar | am i missing some flac tools installed?? |
| 21:27.53 | stouset | !win nvz |
| 21:27.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, nvz! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 21:28.02 | PerfDave | Baltazar: Dunno, why don't you go ask #demudi? |
| 21:28.10 | nvz | I _am_ one sexy bitch |
| 21:28.22 | one_seventeen | I can sftp in, but authentication method is "keyboard interactive", not "password" |
| 21:28.25 | abrotman | nvz: you better stop drinking .. you're getting beer goggles |
| 21:28.28 | karrot-x | jim: thanks a lot |
| 21:28.34 | one_seventeen | I'd rather use password, so more clients would work with it. |
| 21:28.38 | Baltazar | Dave dude ia m running both sarge and demudi and having the same problem |
| 21:28.42 | PerfDave | one_seventeen: keyboard interactive means typing in your password interactively on your keyboard. |
| 21:28.46 | nvz | bah, adds alcohol to the drink he just poured |
| 21:28.50 | PerfDave | Baltazar: I don't believe you. #demudi |
| 21:28.51 | nkuttler | Baltazar: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 21:29.00 | halibut | what is the console command to start a new KDE session? |
| 21:29.00 | nvz | Baltazar: check the BTS, talk to the developers |
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| 21:29.11 | nvz | halibut: startkde |
| 21:29.11 | sts | startx? |
| 21:29.14 | qronik | why would you be drinking a non-alcoholic drink to begin with |
| 21:29.16 | Baltazar | why is that dave?? |
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| 21:29.17 | jim | Baltazar: where does the package come from |
| 21:29.21 | one_seventeen | PerfDave: so if an ftp client asks my username and password, will it work? because I have to change my ftp client from password to keyboard interactive to get it to work |
| 21:29.34 | PerfDave | one_seventeen: You can't use an FTP client to talk to an SSH server! |
| 21:29.37 | grendal_prime | ok next project...freeswan or openswan any preferences in the mix here? |
| 21:29.39 | nvz | qronik: you mean lager? |
| 21:29.50 | qronik | yes, but i pronouce it lagah |
| 21:29.50 | alistair | Can someone help? when i play sounds i get cannot find /dev/dsp, i can play certain cd's but i cant play most.. can somebody help me? |
| 21:29.50 | PerfDave | grendal_prime: Aren't they both obviated by native 2.6 IPSec? |
| 21:29.52 | nvz | !yinzersmite qronik |
| 21:30.04 | jim | one_seventeen: ftp is a totally different thing, and it's not recommended because auth is carried out in plain text |
| 21:30.06 | dvshadow | Could someone tell me how to enable a smartcard reader? |
| 21:30.12 | qronik | :( |
| 21:30.22 | Debird | I want to add etherconf to a working Debian Sarge system. I am using Aptitude. It wants to remove mysql-common-4.1 and install mysql-common which shows 5.0.11beta. Should I trust Aptitude or is this going to hose my system or is there something else I should do? Thanks. |
| 21:30.37 | grendal_prime | PerfDave, howdo you mean...like wrapping my own with like iptables and secure tunnels? |
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| 21:31.06 | one_seventeen | okay, here's my question: How do I securly send files to and from my debian box with Dreamweaver? |
| 21:31.20 | PerfDave | one_seventeen: Ask Dreamweaver for support with their commercial product? :) |
| 21:31.21 | PandaKun | hey |
| 21:31.21 | nkuttler | Debird: you're not running sarge |
| 21:31.22 | one_seventeen | (preferably with an apt-get able package) |
| 21:31.23 | PandaKun | oops |
| 21:31.27 | nvz | one_seventeen: your question is off-topic |
| 21:31.27 | jim | Debird: you -might- want to just learn how to config your networking using a text editor |
| 21:31.29 | PerfDave | grendal_prime: I thought that the presence of IPSec in mainline 2.6 kernels made the freeswan and openswan projects redundant, but I could be wrong on that. |
| 21:31.37 | dvshadow | one_seventeen, ftp? |
| 21:31.45 | jim | one_seventeen: dreamweaver, I dunno |
| 21:31.45 | goron | Is there any way to migrate away from Exact to some other platform? I found one exporter already, but a real migrate application would be great. |
| 21:31.55 | one_seventeen | bah... I have a server, it is a webserver, I want to set it up so I can put files on it and get files from it so I can modify the website other than on the server itself. |
| 21:32.08 | stouset | Debird: apt should not be telling you to get mysql-common 5 |
| 21:32.10 | Baltazar | Dave dudes on #demudi are dead |
| 21:32.15 | stouset | Debird: That is not even in Sarge. At all. |
| 21:32.16 | sts | one_seventeen: man scp |
| 21:32.35 | nvz | Baltazar: hydrogen is a beat maker anyhow. its not designed to use flac files. |
| 21:32.38 | dvshadow | one_seventeen, why dont you use ftp? its secure enough..i mean how secure do you need it? |
| 21:32.39 | cn | why with kernel 2.6.8 pc doesnt shutdown totally ? it arrives at power-down |
| 21:32.42 | PerfDave | Baltazar: Failure of #demudi to support Demudi doesn't make it #debian's problem to support Demudi. |
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| 21:32.55 | levi_ | How can I get aterm start with my settings on it by default? |
| 21:33.02 | nvz | Baltazar: unless you mean short 5 seconds ones for beat sounds |
| 21:33.10 | Baltazar | hydrogen does work with flac files |
| 21:33.29 | grendal_prime | well as an example im have a test situation where i have one user created on two diff routers. i use shfs and fuse to connect the user from one lan to the home folder on the second lan but on a user to user basis..thats alot of individual encriptioin going on |
| 21:33.29 | Baltazar | as long as the sample lasts |
| 21:33.33 | abrotman | dude .. wrong channel |
| 21:33.44 | Baltazar | i it usualy shorter that a second |
| 21:33.45 | alistair | Can someone help? when i play sounds i get cannot find /dev/dsp, i can play certain cd's but i cant play most.. can somebody help me? |
| 21:33.46 | jim | Baltazar boings belatedly bringing borgeios broke bop bots about Dave dudes on #demudi are dead |
| 21:33.50 | abrotman | Baltazar: wrong channel |
| 21:33.54 | one_seventeen | dvshadow tbh, I don't know how secure I need it, but this is a production server that connects to some oracle databases with sensitive information, |
| 21:33.57 | nvz | Baltazar: directly from the debian package description "* Import of samples in wave, au, aiff format." |
| 21:34.00 | one_seventeen | so I'm being paranoid for the heck of it. |
| 21:34.07 | abrotman | !d-i Baltazar |
| 21:34.08 | dpkg | Baltazar, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:34.08 | nkuttler | Baltazar: #hydrogen even |
| 21:34.29 | PerfDave | nvz: Baltazar isn't using Debian, he's using Demudi, a Debian-based distribution with customised audio packages. |
| 21:34.31 | jim | does alsa support firewire sound devices yet/ |
| 21:34.32 | jim | ? |
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| 21:34.42 | Baltazar | this what they call the elite?? |
| 21:34.45 | nvz | PerfDave: I realize this.. I am trying to make him realize it |
| 21:34.56 | theDark | has somebody checkt out the cgiirc packet yet? |
| 21:35.00 | nkuttler | Baltazar: stop trolling |
| 21:35.09 | nvz | Baltazar: trolling #debian |
| 21:35.10 | Baltazar | i am running BOTH !!!!! |
| 21:35.18 | jim | how so? |
| 21:35.38 | grendal_prime | PerfDave, if i had openswan or freeswan handle for or five connections, all through one encription tunnel...i would think it would be cleaner..easyer. but thats just how it "Looks" to me..i could be totally wrong |
| 21:35.39 | PerfDave | Baltazar: Yes, of course you are. That's why you came and asked questions about Demudi, and then claimed to be running Debian when we told you that Demudi wasn't supported on #debian. |
| 21:35.42 | nkuttler | Baltazar: #hydrogen, www.google.com |
| 21:35.46 | levi_ | How can I get aterm start with my settings on it by default? |
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| 21:35.55 | PerfDave | grendal_prime: Dunno, the only thing I've played with IPSec is OpenVPN |
| 21:35.57 | Roots | Baltazar...... a guy on my development team is named Balthazar :) |
| 21:35.59 | nvz | hydrogen.sf.net |
| 21:36.04 | one_seventeen | So man scp didn't really help out much, I've seen that before, but it doesn't tell me anything about how to set up a user account that can transfer files to and from the server... |
| 21:36.22 | stouset | one_seventeen: ...just create a user account. |
| 21:36.23 | jim | one_seventeen: just make a plain unix acct |
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| 21:36.32 | dvshadow | exactly |
| 21:36.36 | dvshadow | god |
| 21:36.37 | dvshadow | damn |
| 21:36.38 | nkuttler | levi_: read man aterm, it probably has some default config file or --configfile option |
| 21:36.41 | jim | adduser... or useradd, if you swing that way |
| 21:36.47 | grendal_prime | one_seventeen, when did you get this box? |
| 21:36.49 | stouset | jim: I swing both ways! |
| 21:36.54 | Baltazar | WHY ARE YOU FOLKS STUCK UP INTO THIS WHOLE DEBIAN THEME? |
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| 21:37.01 | sts | one_seventeen: man useradd |
| 21:37.03 | levi_ | nkuttler: hm, isnt there anything I need to fix in .Xresources or .Xdefault ? |
| 21:37.03 | Jisao | Do you have any recommendation on what to read to configure the xserver properly? |
| 21:37.09 | jim | Baltazar: just asking :P |
| 21:37.19 | one_seventeen | grendal_prime today |
| 21:37.21 | levi_ | nkuttler: I'm using KDE as wm |
| 21:37.24 | grendal_prime | heehhe |
| 21:37.33 | nkuttler | levi_: did you read the man page? |
| 21:37.37 | PerfDave | Baltazar: We're #debian, we're here to support Debian. You're not running Debian, so we're not here for you. There's an IRC channel for Demudi users, it's not our fault if there's nobody helping you there. |
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| 21:37.50 | TNKS | hi all. is there a command to trace symlinks recursively to the non-link file? |
| 21:37.54 | halibut | What is the equivalent console command for the KDE menu entry "start new session"? |
| 21:38.03 | grendal_prime | adduser newby <hit enter> follow directions |
| 21:38.10 | zimnyx | what application to create/modify movies can you advise me? |
| 21:38.15 | Baltazar | ok |
| 21:38.20 | jim | not all of us agree with this, but those who agree less (myself included) still see that in order to -really- support another dist would require them to -learn- and -keep up with- the dist |
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| 21:38.34 | Baltazar | but you should all know one thing!!!! |
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| 21:38.41 | PerfDave | halibut: There isn't really one, since "start new session" does some cleverness to work out which ttys are available for X servers. |
| 21:38.43 | jim | but it's not one thing |
| 21:38.47 | TNKS | instead of a painstaking series of 'ls -l' to trace the links. |
| 21:38.47 | Baltazar | Baltazar will be back .... |
| 21:38.48 | abrotman | noone called ops on him? |
| 21:38.52 | jim | they do soemthings different |
| 21:39.01 | Baltazar | with some more questions |
| 21:39.03 | nkuttler | TNKS: apt-cache search symlink |
| 21:39.03 | jim | no, it's not necessary |
| 21:39.04 | alistair | Can someone help? when i play sounds i get cannot find /dev/dsp, i can play certain cd's but i cant play most.. can somebody help me? |
| 21:39.09 | halibut | PerfDave, can't I type the name of the program it is running in to the console though? |
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| 21:39.16 | tempDIR | where can i find some good documentation on autofs (automount)? man and google just don't seem to be helping out much .. :-( |
| 21:39.22 | sts | alistair: scratched? |
| 21:39.23 | PerfDave | halibut: I don't know, I thought it was something built into kdm. |
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| 21:39.39 | one_seventeen | I'd rather not bring up everything I've done in the past, but I have set up linux servers before and added users, set their home folders to the web root, set the appropriate permissions/groups, and all was well, |
| 21:39.51 | jim | he's temporarily upset because he thinks they should be the same (reasonable but incorrect) |
| 21:39.53 | PerfDave | !ops Baltazar is a Demudi user who can't get the hint that #debian isn't a relevant place for his questions |
| 21:39.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Baltazar is a Demudi user who can't get the hint that #debian isn't a relevant place for his questions |
| 21:40.07 | grendal_prime | one_seventeen, what is it you want to do |
| 21:40.07 | one_seventeen | but that seemed kind of a backwards way of doing it, I didn't know if there was a more appropriate way of setting this up. |
| 21:40.11 | helix | um baltazar left |
| 21:40.16 | dhp_saturn_v4 | '' Need to get 639MB/656MB of archives. After unpacking 1902MB of additional disk space will be used.'' lets go to sleep by the mean time :) do you think I can put a -y in front ? this is my first install on this box, so that -y SHOULD NOT break any old conf ... since there is NO old conf ... |
| 21:40.22 | PerfDave | helix: Yeah, but he'll be back... ;) |
| 21:40.34 | PerfDave | helix: It'd be quite nice if he wasn't. |
| 21:40.36 | levi_ | nkuttler: I've read through it, and it doesnt say anything about making my settings default.. I want it to start with transparancy, yellow fg and such, and I want it to work with only typing "aterm". Not "aterm -fg yellow ++" |
| 21:40.39 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: he's already left |
| 21:40.56 | jim | PerfDave/helix: he wasn't being inappropriate |
| 21:40.56 | stouset | dhp_saturn_v4: If there's no old conf then -y is pointless anyways. |
| 21:40.56 | nkuttler | levi_: alias aterm="foo" |
| 21:41.20 | one_seventeen | grendal_prime In Debian, I set up a user, and when I try to sftp in using that username, it doesn't work. |
| 21:41.20 | dondelelcaro | dhp_saturn_v4: -y won't do that anyways |
| 21:41.20 | jim | (not abusive, not flooding, ok, so he all-capsed -once-) |
| 21:41.22 | Jisao | Sticking to Debian, how do I fix my xserver I just screwed up. using dpkg-reconfigure x-server xfre86 doest not do the job |
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| 21:41.28 | alistair | Can someone help? when i play sounds i get cannot find /dev/dsp, i can play certain cd's but i cant play most.. can somebody help me? |
| 21:41.32 | stouset | !drxx |
| 21:41.33 | dpkg | somebody said drxx was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:41.41 | PerfDave | jim: Yes, he was. He was a Demudi user, who refused to take the hint that #debian wasn't a relevant place for Demudi questions. |
| 21:41.42 | stouset | !xmd5 |
| 21:41.43 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 21:41.44 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: He hadn't when I typed that. |
| 21:41.45 | grendal_prime | you need an ftp server for that...are you doing this from another linux box or from a windows box? |
| 21:41.49 | levi_ | nkuttler: thanks! :) Just what I was looking for ;) |
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| 21:41.55 | jim | you're just complaining because you don't want to support him |
| 21:41.57 | one_seventeen | grendal_prime When I use a more flexibile sftp client, I am able to use "keyboard interactive" as a method of authentication and it works. |
| 21:41.58 | sts | one_seventeen: what are you actually typing when you try to scp soemthing? |
| 21:42.00 | PerfDave | jim: And then started getting abusive about it. |
| 21:42.00 | nkuttler | alistair: how can you play some cds if there is no /dev/dsp? |
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| 21:42.05 | PerfDave | jim: Yes, because he's not running bloody Debian! |
| 21:42.14 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: yeah... bu the was when you pressed return; in any case... |
| 21:42.18 | jim | no, he started getting upset, not abusive |
| 21:42.18 | Jisao | !xmd5 |
| 21:42.19 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 21:42.20 | alistair | nkuttler: exactly |
| 21:42.28 | PerfDave | jim: That's a matter of opinion. |
| 21:42.35 | jim | yes it is |
| 21:42.36 | sts | s/scp/sftp/ |
| 21:42.37 | one_seventeen | sts I've got a linux server, but all the desktops are windows (unfortunately) |
| 21:42.42 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Well, I hadn't seen him do so when I hit return. Maybe things looked different from your end. |
| 21:42.46 | Jisao | tx stouset |
| 21:42.50 | dhp_saturn_v4 | dondelelcaro: stouset: still, when switching to SID from sarge CD, it asks about rleplacing sarge default install CD stuff, and ask stupid questions about default options to use (do you want shadow ? start sshd at boot ... ) .... so that y would help having compleet install tomorrow ... |
| 21:42.53 | sts | ewwww |
| 21:42.53 | TwistedEmotions | Can anyone tell me how come everytime I run update-grub it sets all the images in menu.lst root to (hd3,0) instead of (hd2,0) which is correct? or how to fix it? |
| 21:42.59 | alistair | nkuttler : i can play my pearl jam cd on the client "CD Player" but nothing else.. |
| 21:43.02 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: things had gone on far more than long enough by that stage. |
| 21:43.12 | jim | you're suggesting a permanent ban of someone who wasn't really misbehaving. |
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| 21:43.15 | nkuttler | alistair: define nothing |
| 21:43.19 | one_seventeen | and all my users are running Dreamweaver MX 2004, which supports ftp/sftp/local/and webDAV |
| 21:43.20 | TwistedEmotions | wow.. my english sucks.. |
| 21:43.22 | TwistedEmotions | ;P |
| 21:43.28 | alistair | nkuttler: I have checked my directorys and i done have it, KMIX picks up nothing |
| 21:43.31 | TwistedEmotions | I can barely read my own question... |
| 21:43.35 | stouset | dhp_saturn_v4: Because you were switching to sid. |
| 21:43.41 | grendal_prime | one_seventeen, are they fixed users...meaning an office type situation or, are you looking more at like an isp whith alot of varrious types of roving connections? |
| 21:43.44 | PerfDave | jim: No, I'm suggesting dealing with someone who was not taking the hint that he was on the wrong channel, and has threatened to come back and abuse the channel further. |
| 21:43.46 | tempDIR | yup.. good ole automount SUCKS ... unless someone can give a little advice on how those darn map files are related.. :-( |
| 21:43.50 | jim | TwistedEmotions: sounds like a bug to me |
| 21:43.51 | qronik | don't panic TwistedEmotions, no one else read it either |
| 21:43.53 | nkuttler | alistair: wait... if you can play _one_ cd the device is not your problem |
| 21:43.54 | qronik | =x |
| 21:43.58 | grendal_prime | ahhh one_seventeen i know your problem |
| 21:43.59 | one_seventeen | grendal_prime: office situation |
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| 21:44.03 | nkuttler | alistair: you need to provide more information in your question |
| 21:44.10 | grendal_prime | was there myself not to long ago |
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| 21:44.20 | TwistedEmotions | jim: cant you set what update-root considers the "root" drive? |
| 21:44.26 | alistair | nkutler : volume control is saying Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found, im listening to this cd right now! But i cant play other audio |
| 21:44.32 | dondelelcaro | dhp_saturn_v4: yes, that's why you use dpkg-preconfigure or similar to answer all of those questions. |
| 21:44.33 | alistair | nkutler : i have a laptop with realtek |
| 21:44.39 | jim | TwistedEmotions: it should detect the correct root |
| 21:44.43 | one_seventeen | if it weren't for so many people being in love with MS Access, I'd run linux, but that's not a choice for me just yet. |
| 21:44.44 | grendal_prime | you got a couple of options...most of wich are not all that much fun..but ...your windows users will be able to understand them.. |
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| 21:45.01 | jim | well the grub root command is a convenience anyways... |
| 21:45.10 | grendal_prime | one_seventeen, postgres has odbc |
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| 21:45.25 | grendal_prime | you can connect directly to it with a access front end |
| 21:45.25 | sagarp | how can i get the gaim windwo to flash in the taskbar in gnome? |
| 21:45.28 | nkuttler | alistair: please use my correct name. |
| 21:45.29 | freakman | is Debian hard to use? |
| 21:45.33 | TwistedEmotions | ;P |
| 21:45.35 | nkuttler | alistair: are you using alsa? |
| 21:45.36 | g00se | one_seventeen - Putty |
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| 21:45.47 | alistair | nkuttler: I have apt-getted it |
| 21:45.49 | Vader | hello |
| 21:45.52 | zaudragon | freakman: depends ;) |
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| 21:46.00 | PerfDave | freakman: I don't find it hard to use. It's the easiest distro to use that I've come across. |
| 21:46.01 | one_seventeen | grendal_prime I do a bit of the user support, so when they use that odbc connection and access craps out (as usual) I have to troubleshoot, so I have to have access on my desktop as well :( |
| 21:46.05 | jim | freakman: to -use-, debian is pretty much the same as any other dist, and also very similar to any other unix-alike |
| 21:46.06 | alistair | nkuttler: On startup i get an error about loading /dev/mixer.failed |
| 21:46.10 | dhp_saturn_v4 | dondelelcaro: cant I group those question for later ? or just get the assumptions it did by email ? |
| 21:46.11 | Vader | I need one help |
| 21:46.18 | one_seventeen | I'm in the process of switching everything to web based, but that won't work until I get sftp working easily on this server |
| 21:46.20 | freakman | hm |
| 21:46.22 | freakman | sounds good :-) |
| 21:46.24 | jim | sory, I only have a half a help |
| 21:46.26 | zaudragon | jim: except Mac OS X :D |
| 21:46.27 | Vader | I don't speek english very well.. but... |
| 21:46.29 | zaudragon | if it counts |
| 21:46.32 | alistair | nkuttler: Also ALSA Setting .. Done (Not Loaded) on startup |
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| 21:46.46 | jim | zaudragon: you can still fire up the terminal :) |
| 21:46.49 | grendal_prime | as far as your uses of dreamweaver go...that is one crappy app for connection remotely here are a few options i worked out.. |
| 21:46.51 | jim | oh, gone |
| 21:46.52 | zimnyx | do you know an application that can edit movies? |
| 21:46.52 | TwistedEmotions | Also with grub I try and boot my windows drive which I believe is setup correctly.. but I ned the error.. "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7" |
| 21:46.53 | Vader | I want change the permission of one folder |
| 21:46.59 | TwistedEmotions | *get |
| 21:47.02 | PerfDave | zimnyx: kino? |
| 21:47.04 | subgv | how to change a hostname? |
| 21:47.12 | Vader | How I do this in the text mode?! |
| 21:47.19 | jim | how do I go about booting a drive from its mbr in grub? |
| 21:47.22 | lakcaj | Vader, man chmod |
| 21:47.23 | nkuttler | subgv: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 21:47.29 | Vader | its |
| 21:47.31 | dhp_saturn_v4 | 1169kB/s ... is that good ? ^^ |
| 21:47.33 | Vader | thanks |
| 21:47.35 | tempDIR | good luch Vader, i haven't had an answer from this channel in over a MONTH now... i might as well walk out into my back yard and ask one of the damn trees.. |
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| 21:47.47 | qronik | Vader. man chown, not chmod |
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| 21:47.53 | grendal_prime | One get a real ftp client that uses ssh its very easy to set that up compaired to an actual "SAFE" FTP server. then they do dev on their hd and upload to the http dir of your choosing |
| 21:47.53 | zimnyx | PerfDave: thanks! |
| 21:48.04 | alistair | Also i tried dpkg-reconfigure alsa, says its not installed when i have apt-getted it and restarted :D |
| 21:48.08 | sbk | TwistedEmotions: what does your windows boot stanza look like? are you using root() instead of rootnoverify perhaps? |
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| 21:48.17 | lakcaj | qronik, wrong, chown changes the owner, chmod 755 for example would change permissions |
| 21:48.18 | nkuttler | alistair: is artsd running? |
| 21:48.31 | alistair | how can i check |
| 21:48.32 | Vader | good bye |
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| 21:48.47 | nkuttler | alistair: ps auxw | grep arts |
| 21:48.53 | alistair | i typed artsd as root, Error while initializing the sound driver, /dev/dsp cant be found |
| 21:48.54 | jim | one_seventeen: if you'd like to look into openacs, you can look at openacs.org to start with |
| 21:49.01 | grendal_prime | two mount the dir's with samba and set up user level access to each resource..(not fun but it does work well and is reliable) map them as folders on their desktops |
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| 21:49.05 | torusr_ | . |
| 21:49.09 | TwistedEmotions | sbk: I am using root(hd0,0).. and as for the rest of your question... I dont know what the hell you said ;( Boot stanza? Err.. Rootnoverify? |
| 21:49.20 | one_seventeen | okay, here's a scenario: in Dreamweaver I am connected to a sftp server, I modify 5 files that are in different tabs, when I feel comfortable, I hit ctrl+shift+u to upload each one |
| 21:49.34 | alistair | ps auxw | grep arts gave me, alistair 4422 0.0 0.8 12640 6868? |
| 21:49.38 | one_seventeen | unfortunately, using any ftp/ssh client, I have to navigate to each file, then navigate to the folder they should go in, then upload. |
| 21:49.39 | sbk | TwistedEmotions: put up your menu.lst somewhere on the web |
| 21:49.52 | one_seventeen | I have (as have the rest of our users) gotten very lazy... =P |
| 21:50.05 | mischko | What's the right way to add a new nic inteface to my debian (sarge) box? edit /etc/network/interfaces? Is there a program I should run? |
| 21:50.07 | one_seventeen | jim: got that up in my browser already actually ! =) |
| 21:50.14 | alistair | I've been stuck on this problem for days |
| 21:50.16 | sbk | TwistedEmotions: also the output of fdisk -l on your hard drive, as well as fstab -- just to be safe |
| 21:50.16 | jim | a "boot stanza" is the specifying of one boot... like, a boot for windows... or a boot for a linux system whose root is /dev/hda2 and want to boot kernel 2.4.25... |
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| 21:50.40 | jim | or a boot for a linux system whose root is /dev/hda2 and want to boot kernel 2.6.11... |
| 21:50.51 | PerfDave | mischko: Editing /etc/network/interfaces is probably best. There's "etherconf" but personally I find it easier to just hand-edit the file. |
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| 21:51.07 | TwistedEmotions | sbk: http://ovaici.homelinux.com/grub.txt |
| 21:51.23 | jim | so if you want a choice of two kernels to boot, you'd use two boot stanzas in either the grub config or lilo config |
| 21:51.25 | sagarp | i can't get gaim to flash the taskbar entry in gnome |
| 21:51.26 | mischko | PerfDave, Ok. How do I tell it what hardware device to use? |
| 21:51.39 | slisk | i've installed debian-arm on my pda (zaurus 5500), and i'm having trouble x.org. i'm using the fbdev driver, but when i try to start X the display shuts off. the log says segmentation fault. |
| 21:51.41 | alistair | nkuttler , what do you think? =^^= |
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| 21:51.44 | slisk | how do i address this? |
| 21:51.50 | PerfDave | mischko: Uhm, "ifconfig -a" will show you all interfaces recognised by your kernel. |
| 21:51.53 | kerokid | hi everybody I`ve a trouble with my new sarge 3.1r I just finished the base systrem install but this did`nt recognice my usb keyboard |
| 21:52.00 | grendal_prime | I just went two using quanta and ssh..i can connect to any of the websites i maint with fish://user@remotehost_ip/dirofwebpages right in the browse dialog. if its a server that supports ssh(most do) im done..save saves the file directly to the server |
| 21:52.06 | PerfDave | mischko: Then just put a stanza for the relevant device in your system. |
| 21:52.14 | jim | slisk: not enuf ram? |
| 21:52.21 | one_seventeen | apt-get ftpd (ftp works now) |
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| 21:52.28 | sbk | TwistedEmotions: change the root (hd0,0) to rootnoverify (hd0,0). The difference between these two commands is that if you use root (), grub will try to find a file-system on that partition that it knows about |
| 21:52.28 | TwistedEmotions | sbk: I added the output of fdisk -l to the bottom... reload it.. |
| 21:52.28 | slisk | jim: i got 64, how much do i need? |
| 21:52.32 | mischko | PerfDave, ok. Thanks. |
| 21:52.40 | jim | that seems like it should work |
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| 21:52.55 | grendal_prime | one_seventeen, ooooold protocol, secure that bastard |
| 21:53.07 | rac | hi, I have a problem in configuring a laser printer samsung ML-1610 |
| 21:53.16 | jim | so if that's the case you would ahve to figure out why it is segfaulting |
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| 21:53.36 | zbiw | hi eo |
| 21:53.44 | zbiw | i need some help on kde |
| 21:53.45 | TwistedEmotions | sbk: kk done... everything else look good? |
| 21:53.50 | sbk | TwistedEmotions: ok -- good. Try the rootnoverify instead of root, then reboot. There's one possible hiccup, if grub gets confused between your hda and hdb, but can cross that bridge if you get to it |
| 21:53.53 | one_seventeen | grendal_prime: it is pretty common that I don't finish a project in one sitting, so I'll want to save a file halfway through... (not trying to argue or anything, I bring this up so if other people have a better way of doing things they tell me) |
| 21:53.58 | slisk | jim: that's why i'm here |
| 21:54.02 | PerfDave | slisk: You probably want to ask #debian-arm ? |
| 21:54.05 | zbiw | i've done a dist-upgrade on debian unstable |
| 21:54.10 | TwistedEmotions | sbk: kk thanks. Gonna try it ;) |
| 21:54.10 | zbiw | and after a reboot |
| 21:54.15 | one_seventeen | I just removed windows xp from my laptop and installed ubuntu, so I'm trying to figure out how to do web development (in gnome though... so no quanta) :( |
| 21:54.15 | sbk | TwistedEmotions: the root versus rootnoverify is the most obvious one -- there might be more that might come up, dunno |
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| 21:54.31 | zbiw | i've lost all applications |
| 21:54.39 | zbiw | what can i do ? |
| 21:54.45 | zbiw | wait O:OO |
| 21:54.46 | nkuttler | alistair: what does ls -l /dev/dsp say? |
| 21:54.52 | grendal_prime | hmmm...you want a good wysiwyg editor?? |
| 21:54.56 | zbiw | and try angain dist-upgrade ? |
| 21:55.00 | grendal_prime | windows migrants always do |
| 21:55.01 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 21:55.04 | sbk | TwistedEmotions: how did you install grub onto the mbr? did you flip/add/change any drives after you installed grub? |
| 21:55.37 | alistair | it says -rw r-- r-- l root 0 2005 - 08 -24 22:54 /dev/dsp |
| 21:55.46 | nkuttler | alistair: stop that cd program |
| 21:56.07 | grendal_prime | you might want to try kde it seems to be a little closer to the windows way of thinking...and much more apps for it i feel |
| 21:56.08 | TwistedEmotions | sbk: I had to replace the MBR once.. then to install it... just install-grub /dev/hda1 |
| 21:56.19 | one_seventeen | grendal_prime I haven't found a better code editor/ftp combo than dreamweaver mx 2004 just yet, that's what I'm looking for. |
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| 21:56.33 | nkuttler | alistair: then start arts |
| 21:56.40 | grendal_prime | I was you 4 years about one_seventeen |
| 21:56.40 | sbk | TwistedEmotions: did you do install-grub /dev/hda1, or install-grub /dev/hda ? |
| 21:56.48 | one_seventeen | grendal_prime: I actually forgot dreamweaver had a wysiwyg editor in it |
| 21:57.06 | alistair | i've stopped it, same message |
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| 21:57.15 | TwistedEmotions | sbk: Errr... I dont remember... but one of those two commands wont work.. |
| 21:57.20 | nkuttler | alistair: what is the exact error? |
| 21:57.21 | Morti | Is Dillo any good? |
| 21:57.24 | PerfDave | one_seventeen: If you want help with Ubuntu, you'll have to ask #ubuntu :) |
| 21:57.28 | Morti | As a web browser. |
| 21:57.29 | grendal_prime | well if you dont need it quanta+ is very good and very....portable..i can connect to any webserver anywere with it..any protocol anytime |
| 21:57.30 | nkuttler | Morti: it's lightweight |
| 21:57.35 | TwistedEmotions | sbk: I think I tried both.. and one of them worked |
| 21:57.43 | alistair | -rw-r-- r-- 1 root root 0 2005-08-24 22:56 /dev/dsp |
| 21:57.43 | TwistedEmotions | sbk: so figured I was good to go.. |
| 21:57.45 | flipmcf | Morti crashy |
| 21:57.51 | Morti | I have a Pentium 100 which I want to use for web browsing and I may have to grudgingly install X on it. |
| 21:57.54 | PerfDave | Morti: Depends what you want to do with it. For basic web browsing with graphics, it's fine. For complicated DHTML stuff, it's not. |
| 21:57.57 | sbk | TwistedEmotions: well -- might be best to see what happens now first I guess :) 'luck |
| 21:57.58 | nkuttler | alistair: the arts error |
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| 21:58.01 | grendal_prime | its the swiss army knife of editors.. |
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| 21:58.09 | flipmcf | Morti can't use lynx? |
| 21:58.14 | one_seventeen | I installed ftpd-ssh, should that allow me to use sftp from other clients? (because it doesn't just yet) |
| 21:58.16 | grendal_prime | and has a preview feature that is handy enough for most work |
| 21:58.18 | karsten | When did gcc/g++ 4.0 hit sid, and did one or the other just hit testing/ |
| 21:58.19 | alistair | error while initiallizing the sound driver: |
| 21:58.22 | Morti | I could do with graphics. |
| 21:58.23 | karsten | s,/,?, |
| 21:58.23 | alistair | device /dev/dsp cant be opened |
| 21:58.24 | TwistedEmotions | sbk: ;) rebooting now. |
| 21:58.25 | alistair | let me try as root |
| 21:58.27 | greg_work | mount /dev/hdd1 /backup ... mount: /dev/hdd1 already mounted or /backup busy ... lsof /dev/hdd1 is empty, and lsof /backup is empty.. what is going on? |
| 21:58.28 | Morti | Unless anyone has any experience with links2? |
| 21:58.31 | nkuttler | Morti: maybe netscape 3 :) |
| 21:58.38 | karsten | Morti: mwilson |
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| 21:58.42 | Morti | But I gather the Debian package of links2 isn't compiled with fb support. |
| 21:58.44 | flipmcf | mosaic? |
| 21:58.54 | Morti | Lightweight and usable. ;) |
| 21:59.21 | one_seventeen | so does anyone know how to install a sftp server in debian? |
| 21:59.22 | alistair | Unix_connect: cant connect to server (unix:/tmp/mcop-root/localhost/localdomain-1446-430ceb38 ) |
| 21:59.23 | sbk | jim: what exactly did you want to do? You have grub on the MBR in drive1, and you want it to launch the MBR on drive2? |
| 21:59.28 | alistair | error while initializing the sound driver: |
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| 21:59.37 | one_seventeen | (looking at the options, it looks like this is probably the way to go) |
| 21:59.41 | alistair | SNDCTL_DSP_SETFMT failed - inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 21:59.41 | jim | sbk: exactly |
| 21:59.45 | Morti | I'd quite like to give qtopia a go but I can't imagine it'd be simple and this isn't exactly what it's for. ;) |
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| 21:59.51 | alistair | SNDCTL_DSP_SETFMT failed - inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 22:00.02 | nkuttler | alistair: go to #flood, type the command, paste the error _there_ |
| 22:00.04 | alistair | cant connect to server (unux blah |
| 22:00.05 | alistair | ok |
| 22:00.08 | flipmcf | one_seventeen, I think you need the ssl stuff set up first... sftp should need them. |
| 22:00.12 | sbk | jim: I think chainload ought to do it, what happens when you try that? |
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| 22:00.35 | jim | chainload assumes a particular situation, doesn't it? |
| 22:00.38 | one_seventeen | so do I need to install my ssl certificate first then? |
| 22:00.44 | jim | I mean, I could try that |
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| 22:01.05 | jim | but it would be nice to be able to just boot the mbr |
| 22:01.09 | flipmcf | one_seventeen, if you have ssh working, then (I think) SSL is a moot point - it's there :) |
| 22:01.36 | ecobit | why doesn't this work? find ./ -uid 1001 -gid 1001 -exec chown bob.bob {} \; ??? |
| 22:01.42 | PerfDave | SFTP is not the same thing as FTP over SSL :) |
| 22:01.43 | jim | I know lilo can do this; I'd rather not go to that |
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| 22:01.50 | one_seventeen | flipmcf oops, mixing up my appreviations, |
| 22:01.56 | flipmcf | one_seventeen, do an apt-cache search for an sftp server (or search online) then apt-get install it :) might do %100 of your work. |
| 22:02.07 | PerfDave | flipmcf: OpenSSH is a good SFTP server :) |
| 22:02.07 | grendal_prime | one_seventeen, another nice editor is this http://www.nvu.com/ |
| 22:02.16 | jim | flipmcf: sftp server is sshd |
| 22:02.16 | sbk | jim: I don't think it's very much different than the way lilo does it, as far as the functionality/mechanism goes |
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| 22:02.26 | jim | let me check |
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| 22:02.46 | flipmcf | jim, PerfDave - direct comments to one_seventeen :) |
| 22:02.56 | grendal_prime | very much like what you are familiar with...probably is gnome based looks like...very hand, nice for layout work and php work as well |
| 22:02.57 | one_seventeen | flipmcf: I have ssh and ssl installed, but couldn't get sftp to connect to it. |
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| 22:03.59 | jim | flipmcf: was directing them towards you because I thought you could use the (new) info |
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| 22:04.39 | sbk | jim: should be pretty much something along the lines of chainload (hdn)+1 and if you want to be safe, you can makeactive any interesting partitions that you know the mbr on the second drive cares about |
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| 22:04.49 | coreyo | what does the shpchp modules do? I keep getting error messages regarding it on bootup. |
| 22:05.23 | nvz | dpkg, shpchp? |
| 22:05.39 | Morti | So what would anyone recommend as a graphical web browsing solution on a Pentium 100? |
| 22:05.52 | stew | Morti: links2 -g |
| 22:05.54 | gravity | Morti: Maybe dillo |
| 22:06.03 | stew | Morti: w3m-img |
| 22:06.08 | sbk | jim: depending on what the mbr on drive #2 boots, you might also need to switch bios drive names and all that, but anyhoo... best to add those as necessary, I don't know what mbr you have on the second drive or what it is trying to boot either... |
| 22:06.10 | nvz | Morti: dillo is fast and lightweight. though it doesnt support anything fancy. links2 is another option |
| 22:06.16 | Morti | stew: Are there debs for links2 anywhere or will I have to compile it? |
| 22:06.25 | stew | !info links2 sarge |
| 22:06.25 | nvz | Morti: its in stable |
| 22:06.29 | dpkg | links2: (Web browser running in both graphics and text mode), section net, is optional. Version: 2.1pre16-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1960 kB, Installed size: 3136 kB |
| 22:06.41 | Morti | nvz: It's in stable but afaik without framebuffer support. |
| 22:06.53 | dhp_saturn_v4 | Iam installign e17 on deban SID, using soulmachine; apt wants to install 0.16.7.2 instead of 0.16.999; any clue why ? |
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| 22:06.59 | flipmcf | w00t! Irq 9 is the winner! ISA card working. |
| 22:07.00 | Morti | (as in, I installed it and couldn't figure out how to make it use the framebuffer and it didn't recognise the -g switch) |
| 22:07.05 | jim | sbk: hda is a linux drive split into a few partitions (none at all are windows)... hdb is windows only |
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| 22:07.16 | nvz | Morti: not sure.. has svgalib and I only use in in X anyhow |
| 22:07.28 | nvz | Morti: when you said graphical I asuumed you would be using it in X |
| 22:07.36 | greg_work | #mount /dev/hdd1 /backup ... mount: /dev/hdd1 already mounted or /backup busy ... lsof /dev/hdd1 is empty, and lsof /backup is empty.. what is going on? |
| 22:07.40 | Morti | Oh my, no. |
| 22:07.43 | theDark | i've installed cgiirc, but it only shows the blank format, no text or something else, can somebody help me? |
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| 22:07.45 | flipmcf | might be my bad syntax, but it seems that I can't set a 255.255.255.0 subnet to a 10.x.x.x network. Was the kernel yelling at me that 'I'm not RFC compliant' or is it just my paranoia. |
| 22:07.46 | sbk | jim: ah, ok. So then you'll probably indeed have to makeactive and swap the bios drives, or the windows bootloader chain won't do the right thing, most likely |
| 22:07.48 | Morti | I could install X but I'd prefer not. |
| 22:07.54 | stew | dhp_saturn_v4: apt-cache policy soulmachine ; man apt_preferences |
| 22:08.05 | one_seventeen | well, I've got to run, I'll probably be back later with more questions. |
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| 22:08.14 | Morti | Does w3m-img have mouse support? |
| 22:08.15 | nvz | Morti: *nod* well links2 graphical works with svgalib but has to be suid to work |
| 22:08.19 | jim | sbk: but the chainloader+1 is the right thing to use? |
| 22:08.20 | stew | Morti: yes |
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| 22:08.37 | sbk | jim: yep |
| 22:08.58 | stew | Morti: i dunno about whether or not w3m-img works with svgalib |
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| 22:09.48 | coreyo | does debian, with one of the distro kernels, always attempt to load shpchp, regardless of the type of hotplug drive that your system uses? |
| 22:09.51 | stew | Morti: actually now i know it does |
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| 22:10.11 | sbk | jim: you'll probably need to first map the drives around -- so a stanza something like map (hd0) (hd1) // map (hd1) map (hd0) // chainloader (hd1)+1 |
| 22:10.12 | Morti | Oh, okay. Is it any good, do you think? |
| 22:10.57 | sbk | jim: now that will do what you wanted, ie boot the mbr on (hd1). You can simply choose to directly get to the real bootloader, in which case the last one becomes chainloader (hd1,0)+1 |
| 22:11.27 | stew | Morti: yes it is good |
| 22:11.33 | eXistenZ | how can I take a screenshot of my screen |
| 22:11.37 | stew | Morti: does't do javascript though |
| 22:11.49 | Navop | question re intalling debian, but instead of doing raid 1, i di the followin 2gb=root, 1gb=swap, 16gb=usr, 4gb=var and 138gb=home but i still have 160gb left on 2 hdd what can i call it, it is use to hold all the backup files for the other 5 comps i have |
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| 22:11.59 | sbk | jim: if you have some funky stuff going on in your drive #2 (dynamic overlays, etc etc) you might need to get to the actual mbr -- otherwise you might save yourself one tiny boot step by getting to the real bootloader on the partition. anyways ;-) more info than you probably wanted |
| 22:12.02 | Morti | Does links2 have decent javascript support? |
| 22:12.08 | PerfDave | Navop: /mnt/backup ? :) |
| 22:12.14 | stew | Navop: /var/backups ? |
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| 22:12.41 | angrybacon | what program do I use to put music on my Rio s30s? |
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| 22:12.51 | greg_work | good god, zoneminder is taking 85GB to store one week of events.. |
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| 22:13.51 | nvz | fuck! I was blessed with a guitar a few days ago and I just managed to break a string. |
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| 22:14.06 | nvz | now I got to go buy strings |
| 22:14.10 | jim | what's map do? |
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| 22:14.15 | angrybacon | nvz dont worry, there cheap and easy to reaplace |
| 22:14.25 | staniel | nvz: your guitar is trying to say something then |
| 22:14.27 | nvz | let this be a lesson. do not tune a guitar when you are drunk |
| 22:14.29 | thingfish | oh nice! what kind of guitar - acoustic, or electric? |
| 22:14.30 | staniel | like "StOP PLAYING ME! |
| 22:14.32 | angrybacon | lol |
| 22:14.33 | jim | nvz: where did the string break |
| 22:14.38 | sbk | jim: it changes the BIOS's notion of what is C: and D:, in essense |
| 22:14.48 | TheStick | nvz: bwahaha now you got to tune it :D |
| 22:14.50 | angrybacon | what program do I use to put music on my Rio s30s? |
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| 22:14.55 | nvz | jim: above the nut. I was trying to tune to Wholetone and broke the G string |
| 22:14.57 | TheStick | that's the most annoying part, actually |
| 22:14.58 | yer | hey hey, anyone else running 3.1r0, and having crazy problems with firefox displaying little squares with numbers in them instead of some charecters? |
| 22:14.59 | angrybacon | in KDE |
| 22:14.59 | Navop | stew, PerfDave: i'm in the partition screen, i just select "Enter partition manually" |
| 22:15.09 | jim | wholetone?? :) |
| 22:15.14 | jim | what are the notes |
| 22:15.26 | nvz | jim: too drunk to realize I had it at an A already and only needed to go to G# |
| 22:15.28 | angrybacon | EADGBE |
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| 22:15.36 | nvz | thats Standarf E |
| 22:15.36 | yer | ??? <like this |
| 22:15.49 | sbk | jim: I believe the 'doze oses are particular about finding certain things in C: -- just simpler to set it that way and avoid issues has been my experience, when booting windows |
| 22:15.50 | nvz | E wholtone is EBEG#BE |
| 22:15.53 | Debird | In reference to my question earlier: I want to add etherconf to a working Debian Sarge system. I am using Aptitude. It wants to remove mysql-common-4.1 and install mysql-common which shows 5.0.11beta. Should I trust Aptitude or is this going to hose my system or is there something else I should do? .... I was told I am not running Sarge. The installer I downloaded is named debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso. This page says that is sarge: http://www.debian.o |
| 22:16.13 | jim | nvz: wouldn't you need Bb? |
| 22:16.22 | nvz | not that I know of |
| 22:16.26 | thingfish | my buddy collects vintage guitars. he has some real honeys. |
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| 22:16.36 | jim | B is not in E wholetone, that's why I'm asking |
| 22:16.59 | nvz | jim: was playing the only song I can remember entirely. which is a black crowes song and its EBEG#BE afaik |
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| 22:17.06 | angrybacon | what does ur guitar have to do with debian? |
| 22:17.10 | Navop | stew, PerfDave: i'm in the partition screen, i just select "Enter manually" and enter /mnt/whatever name i want |
| 22:17.11 | yer | ???? does anyone else see little funky squares instead of letters when i paste what is at the bigining of this line |
| 22:17.23 | angrybacon | try a unicode font |
| 22:17.31 | jim | oh, we were talking about that demudi guy:) |
| 22:17.39 | thingfish | yer: no, just ? |
| 22:17.55 | yer | thingfish, i see little squares with numbers in them |
| 22:17.58 | nvz | jim: you can play natual harmonics real good like that so I figured it was E wholetone if its not hell if I know |
| 22:18.01 | yer | thingfish, mostly in firefox |
| 22:18.18 | yer | lemmie take a screenshot |
| 22:18.20 | stew | Navop: yes, i think, i don't remember, since its not important for install you can always do it later |
| 22:18.22 | thingfish | right on. |
| 22:18.27 | angrybacon | what program do I use to put music on my Rio s30s in KDE? |
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| 22:18.33 | thingfish | I know what you're talking about. |
| 22:18.39 | angrybacon | me? |
| 22:18.45 | angrybacon | what program do I use to put music on my Rio s30s in KDE? |
| 22:18.52 | cdtcpl | I just installed alsa, did alsaconf and it detected my soundcard and looks like it is running right. When I enter an audio CD my cd drive goes nuts and spins at full speed. How can I get it just to play the cd> |
| 22:18.54 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.55 | nvz | angrybacon: I'd say konqueror but if you are using sarge thats really not a good idea |
| 22:19.16 | nvz | angrybacon: I would use amarok maybe in any case doesnt have that bug konqueror in sarge does afaik |
| 22:19.18 | angrybacon | im on mepis, and i think its based on testing |
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| 22:19.36 | nvz | angrybacon: oh then in that case plz stfu k thx :P |
| 22:19.52 | angrybacon | its debian based and no one is on the mepis channel |
| 22:19.52 | gravity | angrybacon: #mepis please |
| 22:20.00 | jim | nvz: there are two holetone scales in all of equal-tempered, 12-tone chromatic... one is C D E F# G# Bb C the other is Db Eb F G A B Db |
| 22:20.06 | angrybacon | and it uses debian repositorys |
| 22:20.11 | nvz | angrybacon: yeah its a general linux question bar the kde part of it |
| 22:20.12 | mfrisch | nvz :-) |
| 22:20.17 | gravity | angrybacon: It's not debian. If it were, it'd be called Debian, not mepis. |
| 22:20.44 | angrybacon | noticie how i put the word BASED after the word debian |
| 22:20.49 | yer | thingfish, can you help? |
| 22:20.54 | thingfish | angrybacon: usually when no one answers, it's because no one knows. |
| 22:21.08 | thingfish | yer: as in how? |
| 22:21.09 | jim | angrybacon: yeah, that part's bottom line |
| 22:21.11 | nvz | jim: well I know when I strum open EADGBE it sounds like shit and if you tune EBEG#BE you can strum it open and sounds good or play natuaral harmonics easily just about anywhere on the neck |
| 22:21.20 | yer | thingfish, like by telling me how to fix it :D |
| 22:21.37 | nvz | jim: and when I play that song it sounds dead on.. so its definatly right for the song even if its not really E wholetone |
| 22:21.55 | jim | nvz: ohh, it's because you have it tuned to an E major triad (E G# B) |
| 22:22.01 | stew | angrybacon: /msg dpkg search |
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| 22:22.04 | cdtcpl | I just installed alsa, did alsaconf and it detected my soundcard and looks like it is running right. When I enter an audio CD my cd drive goes nuts and spins at full speed. How can I get it just to play the cd? |
| 22:22.07 | Debird | is Debian latest stable release, 3.1, also known as sarge? If not, what is sarge? |
| 22:22.16 | thingfish | yer: sorry, wish I could. It sounds like you need some additional language pack. |
| 22:22.19 | jim | Debird: yes. |
| 22:22.32 | micka | /usr/bin/gtk-query-immodules-2.0: error while loading shared libraries: libXfixes.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:22.32 | yer | thingfish, it happens on english language fonts |
| 22:22.36 | SerajewelKS | i'm having problems compiling qemu with the kqemu kernel module. the module compiles fine, but fails to insert (invalid module format). when linking the kernel module after compilation, the linker says '*** Warning: "init_module" [/tmp/qemu-0.7.1/kqemu/kqemu.ko] undefined!' and another warning for cleanup_module. both of these functions exist in the .c for the module. what could be wrong? |
| 22:22.41 | micka | dpkg : erreur de traitement de libgtk2.0-bin (--configure) : |
| 22:23.01 | nvz | jim: yeah I am trying to get my fingers strong again and that song is pretty easy and has some sliding and stuff that tears em up nice and gets em hurtin good |
| 22:23.01 | dondelelcaro | !+find libXfixes.so.0 |
| 22:23.02 | Debird | jim: thanks. do you know anything about aptitude? |
| 22:23.03 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:23.05 | yer | thingfish, the screenshot im posting is i copied and pasted those funny symbols into google to demonstrate what they look like |
| 22:23.13 | gravity | It's in xdamage's deb |
| 22:23.18 | micka | not found libXfixes.so.0 in packages.debian.org help me please |
| 22:23.19 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libXfixes.so.0' returned no results. |
| 22:23.25 | jim | you mean... do I have aptitude aptitude? |
| 22:23.29 | gravity | Er... never mind |
| 22:23.34 | gravity | Too many damn packages |
| 22:23.47 | gravity | Those actually could go together... |
| 22:23.51 | yer | http://turbocorp.servebeer.com/~yer/Screenshot.png] |
| 22:23.55 | yer | err |
| 22:23.56 | yer | http://turbocorp.servebeer.com/~yer/Screenshot.png |
| 22:23.58 | yer | there we go |
| 22:24.03 | stew | micka: what are you trying to do when you get that error? |
| 22:24.09 | dondelelcaro | micka: what package are you actually trying to install? It sure seems to require something that isn't actually in Debian. |
| 22:24.12 | yer | mabe someone has seen that before |
| 22:24.16 | yer | and can help |
| 22:24.30 | micka | stew: apt-get -u dist upgrade |
| 22:24.32 | yer | it hapens in other apps too sometimes |
| 22:24.37 | stew | micka: what version of debian? |
| 22:24.43 | micka | unstable |
| 22:24.50 | micka | stew: unstable |
| 22:24.50 | Debird | jim: yeah (clever) :) |
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| 22:25.07 | nvz | jim: my friend lent me his newest acoustic Alvarez RD8. told me to keep her company and break her in. said she doesnt like being neglected. Mine's still in Texas :( I have a pretty red Takamine G-Series RS-430 I think it is Acoustic-Electric. |
| 22:25.16 | stew | micka: checked the bts? |
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| 22:25.41 | micka | stew: bts ? |
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| 22:26.06 | stew | micka: /msg dpkg bts (its in the /topic you should know about this if you are running unstable) |
| 22:26.07 | gravity | micka: You want libxfixes3 |
| 22:26.12 | halibut | what is the best non-adobe pdf reader to use? |
| 22:26.15 | jim | Debird: one thing I know... is you can use aptitude like this: aptitude update ; aptitude install foo-package |
| 22:26.17 | dondelelcaro | halibut: xpdf |
| 22:26.33 | nvz | a pdf reader is a pdf reader pretty much |
| 22:26.54 | halibut | nvz, I want to be able to save some pages from a pdf as another pdf file (ie: export pages 10-20) |
| 22:26.59 | halibut | but adobe wants me to pay to do this |
| 22:27.02 | jim | when is a pdf reader ever not a pdf reader/ |
| 22:27.03 | jim | ? |
| 22:27.04 | nvz | heh |
| 22:27.10 | stew | halibut: ghostscript maybe |
| 22:27.16 | micka | stew: before You don't have immodules directory for version 2.6.0. |
| 22:27.47 | stew | micka: i didn't understand that |
| 22:28.00 | Debird | jim: all I want to do is configure an additional ethernet adapter (eth1) and I read that the best way to do it and keep debconf happy is to install etherconf. When I used the aptitude interface to do that it wanted to uninstall mysql-common-4.1 and install mysql-common (5.something-beta) that did not seem right to me. tryin to figure what is wrong. |
| 22:28.05 | nvz | this sucks I need to get some guitar strings now and I dont want to go anywhere cause the judge wouldnt be happy if I ended up in his office today drunk |
| 22:28.06 | mfrisch | halibut pdf2ps |
| 22:28.23 | halibut | mfrisch, "ps" ? |
| 22:28.27 | stew | Debird: man interfaces |
| 22:28.36 | mfrisch | halibut postscript |
| 22:28.46 | Debird | thanks stew... going to it |
| 22:28.47 | nvz | could always order a whole fucking box of strings from musician's friend or something and wait |
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| 22:28.51 | thingfish | nvz, you sound like a real character. :) |
| 22:29.04 | stew | Debird: and /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 22:29.20 | jim | Debird: oh, right... you can safely edit the file... but you should take down an interface before changing it, and bring it back up after |
| 22:29.30 | nvz | thingfish: heh. well last time I seen the judge I was drunk.. but we were celebrating our victory. |
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| 22:29.43 | nvz | thingfish: I dont think he wants to see me drunk in his office. |
| 22:29.53 | micka | stew: apt-get install libxfixes3 You don't have immodules directory for version 2.6.0. |
| 22:29.58 | nvz | thingfish: with the police trying to stick a DUI on me |
| 22:30.04 | Debird | thanks jim |
| 22:30.05 | thingfish | nvz: I kinda think not. |
| 22:30.05 | jim | wonder if musicians friend has GHS Progressives |
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| 22:30.14 | thingfish | no, you don't need that at all. |
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| 22:30.25 | SerajewelKS | did everyone miss my question about kqemu |
| 22:30.38 | jim | I dunno what is a kqemu |
| 22:30.55 | cmatheson | hey, i just want to build some add on modules that i apt-got... i tried using make-kpkg but it didn't produce a version corresponding to the vanilla debian kernel i'm running right now. how do i make it just build modules for the kernel i'm currently using? |
| 22:30.56 | stew | micka: checked the bts? maybe gravity knows? |
| 22:30.57 | mfrisch | for qemu |
| 22:31.04 | unixfool_ | Does anyone know a site with an activeX popup that asks to install Gator or some other annoying software? (I want to test something) |
| 22:31.05 | jim | I dunno what is a qemu |
| 22:31.25 | mfrisch | emulator |
| 22:31.29 | SerajewelKS | jim, kqemu is a virtualization module for qemu |
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| 22:31.37 | mfrisch | what the userland one? |
| 22:31.37 | cmatheson | i should say, i read the make-kpkg man page but in the modules_image section i didn't see anything to useful other than that by default it will install modules in /lib/modules or $MODULES_LOC (which doesn't help so much for versioning? |
| 22:31.41 | SerajewelKS | this is what i said earlier: i'm having problems compiling qemu with the kqemu kernel module. the module compiles fine, but fails to insert (invalid module format). when linking the kernel module after compilation, the linker says '*** Warning: "init_module" [/tmp/qemu-0.7.1/kqemu/kqemu.ko] undefined!' and another warning for cleanup_module. both of these functions exist in the .c for the module. what could be wrong? |
| 22:31.47 | woodland | hi |
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| 22:31.53 | jkern | cmatheson, make-kpkg modules_image |
| 22:32.59 | cmatheson | jkern: that's what i did... but i ended up w/ a foobar-2.4.27_xxxx+10.Custom_i386.deb... i think i don't want the custom crap because modprobe can't find the modules it installed (now their is a lib 2.4.27 (bad) directory, and the default 2.4.27-2-686 dir |
| 22:33.03 | nvz | thingfish: that party was funny too. my dad was drunk and gave a funny speech about most of us not ever getting to see the judge in his robe and pulled out the council president' ladies bathrobe and put it on him. |
| 22:33.50 | jim | why are the .s in the hostnames replaced with /s |
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| 22:34.29 | dondelelcaro | jim: I think that's only for the cloaks |
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| 22:34.47 | jkern | cmatheson, sorry, I don't seem to understand the problem |
| 22:34.56 | jim | hey! another jlynch |
| 22:35.04 | nvz | oh well I guess I will play her 5 strings I usually get forced to make up new things to play when this happens |
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| 22:35.20 | cmatheson | jkern: it's not building the modules for the kernel i'm running right now... i'm not able to insert the modules i just built because they aren't for the right version |
| 22:36.03 | jkern | cmatheson, where is the source code for the modules -- by default it is in /usr/src/modules |
| 22:36.24 | cmatheson | jkern: yeah that's where it is |
| 22:36.31 | Jimethn | jim: I have heard that lynch is the most common irish name in america. |
| 22:36.31 | jim | well, for debianized module source |
| 22:36.42 | cmatheson | jkern: and the modules build fine, but it gives me a kernel package for a custom-built kernel instead of the standard vanilla kernel |
| 22:36.47 | gravity | stew: I don't really understand his problem... |
| 22:37.14 | stew | blame the maintainer |
| 22:37.34 | gravity | heh |
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| 22:37.53 | micka | what is immodules ? |
| 22:37.58 | SerajewelKS | okay, let me broaden my question a bit... any kernel hackers here? =P |
| 22:37.58 | jkern | cmatheson, well, you seem to be saying that you are using a debian kernel-image and just want to add some modules to it |
| 22:38.03 | micka | You don't have immodules directory for version 2.6.0. |
| 22:38.09 | nvz | maybe that weatherman was right its definatly not going to rain out there.. sure looked like it for a while |
| 22:38.41 | cmatheson | jkern: yes sorry, that is what i'm saying |
| 22:38.54 | cmatheson | jkern: and the modules i want to get came in a debian package (the source for the modules did) |
| 22:39.08 | jkern | cmatheson, perhaps you could pse the problem in that way and see if anyone knows what to do |
| 22:39.13 | stew | micka: that is some kind of gtk error, have you checked the bts for whichever gtk package you are installing? |
| 22:39.37 | jkern | ^pse^pose |
| 22:39.45 | cmatheson | jkern: ok thanks |
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| 22:39.52 | micka | stew: humm who check bts ? |
| 22:40.00 | micka | URL ? |
| 22:40.09 | micka | google.com is a URL |
| 22:40.13 | cmatheson | hey i'm trying to add some modules to my existing kernel (it's just the vanilla debian 2.4.27 kernel) w/ make-kpkg... how do i do that? |
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| 22:40.23 | nkuttler | !tell micka about bts |
| 22:40.44 | thingfish | bts=Bible Translation Society. |
| 22:41.02 | thingfish | debian evangelism. |
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| 22:41.10 | thingfish | sorry, too many gin and tonics. |
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| 22:41.34 | SerajewelKS | or let me try a different approach... has anyone got kqemu to successfully compile with a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 22:42.22 | bighead | how do I upgrade to Qt4 on a sarge install? |
| 22:42.32 | bighead | is Qt4 in testing or unstable? |
| 22:42.46 | nvz | !info libqt4 |
| 22:42.48 | jkern | cmatheson, you can try again later -- google might help too |
| 22:42.54 | thingfish | the idea with sarge is, you kind of stay with what it offers. |
| 22:43.16 | nvz | is there even a libqt4? |
| 22:43.30 | thingfish | well, maybe others would know how to get themselves out of trouble; I wouldn't. |
| 22:43.35 | nvz | !info libqt3 |
| 22:43.40 | dpkg | libqt3: (Qt GUI Library, Version 3), section libs, is optional. Version: 3:3.3.4-7 (sid), Packaged size: 2744 kB, Installed size: 6891 kB |
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| 22:43.57 | stew | !info libqt4-dev |
| 22:44.01 | dpkg | libqt4-dev: (Qt 4 development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 4.0.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 3041 kB, Installed size: 19172 kB |
| 22:44.15 | nvz | I was going to try that first.. honest ;) |
| 22:44.19 | stew | bighead: its only available in unstable at the moment |
| 22:44.24 | SerajewelKS | does it matter which version of gcc a kernel is compiled with, for the purpose of compiling modules? do i need to use the same version of gcc? |
| 22:44.45 | bighead | stew: thx |
| 22:44.56 | nvz | SerajewelKS: umm, yes of course it matters |
| 22:45.02 | cmatheson | jkern: ok thanks a lot |
| 22:45.04 | stew | bighead: (you realize it will never ever be in sarge, right?) |
| 22:45.14 | SerajewelKS | nvz, okay... how do i find out which version of gcc was used on the kernel? |
| 22:45.22 | jkern | cmatheson, sometimes there are module packages to match kernel-images -- apt-cache search module-name |
| 22:45.24 | bighead | stew: lol y? takes too long to go from unstable to stable? |
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| 22:45.38 | nvz | SerajewelKS: /var/log/dmesg |
| 22:45.41 | stew | bighead: once a release is stable it never gets new versions, only security patches |
| 22:45.47 | nvz | SerajewelKS: would probably say at the top of the log |
| 22:45.51 | SerajewelKS | nvz, ... nothing in /proc? |
| 22:45.52 | stew | bighead: it will be in etch when etch releases |
| 22:46.08 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I am drunk dont be difficult ;) |
| 22:46.09 | zuralin | in 5yrs from now |
| 22:46.13 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 22:46.23 | SerajewelKS | nvz, haha |
| 22:46.27 | thingfish | what have you been drinking, nvz? |
| 22:46.56 | SerajewelKS | nvz, don't see anything in /var/log/dmesg |
| 22:47.08 | nvz | thingfish: My buddy Jagermiester and I, we drink alone. |
| 22:47.16 | thingfish | ah, the jager. |
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| 22:47.32 | thingfish | there's a lot of herbs in that stuff. |
| 22:47.42 | SerajewelKS | nvz, /proc/version |
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| 22:48.01 | thingfish | I like tanqueray. |
| 22:48.04 | SerajewelKS | "gcc version 3.3.6" so i assume i need to "./configure -cc=gcc-3.3" to get kqemu to insert |
| 22:48.08 | thingfish | well, in the summer at least. |
| 22:48.11 | jkern | SerajewelKS, dmesg |
| 22:48.16 | thingfish | in the winter, I drink bourbon. |
| 22:48.18 | nvz | SerajewelKS: Linux version 2.6.8-2-k7 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12)) #1 Th |
| 22:48.21 | nvz | u May 19 18:03:29 JST 200 |
| 22:48.25 | nvz | SerajewelKS: thats the first line of mine |
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| 22:48.52 | SerajewelKS | mmm... kernel was "gcc version 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-6)" but `gcc-3.3 -v` is "gcc version 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-7)" -- hope that doesn't matter |
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| 22:49.30 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I dont think you need *exactly* the same version as long as you didnt compile with GCC3.2 and trying to build modules with 4.0 |
| 22:50.22 | close_to_debian | running mkswap -c <dev> is it safe? |
| 22:50.32 | nvz | I dont really upgrade gcc or compile modules separte too often |
| 22:50.48 | t0ffel | is 'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main' correct? I don't think it's working properly. |
| 22:51.00 | SerajewelKS | nvz, yeah i was compiling with 3.4 |
| 22:51.13 | close_to_debian | running mkswap -c <dev> is it safe? |
| 22:51.19 | SerajewelKS | just out of curiosity, why does it even matter? |
| 22:51.22 | nvz | t0ffel: visit the website. if its up it tells you what to put. if its not up then it wont work |
| 22:51.34 | nvz | t0ffel: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 22:51.35 | SerajewelKS | close_to_debian, if <dev> isn't mounted or being used as swap space, yes |
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| 22:51.54 | t0ffel | ok thanks |
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| 22:52.01 | close_to_debian | SerajewelKS: The server is not using swap at all |
| 22:52.26 | close_to_debian | Swap: 2040212 0 2040212 |
| 22:53.03 | SerajewelKS | close_to_debian, but if the swap partition is currently active, whether or not it's being used, then you shouldn't do mkswap on it |
| 22:53.32 | nvz | SerajewelKS: it matters because things change. you cant link libraries compiled with one compiler against code being compiled with another |
| 22:53.43 | bighead | how do I remove qt3-dev-tools pkg? |
| 22:53.46 | Toad | mrj? |
| 22:54.00 | close_to_debian | SerajewelKS: swappiness would it work on 2.4 kernel |
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| 22:54.04 | nvz | bighead: apt-get remove qt3-dev-tools |
| 22:54.18 | bighead | nvz: i get dependency errors libqt3-mt. |
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| 22:54.35 | SerajewelKS | close_to_debian, just use swapoff to disable the device |
| 22:54.39 | SerajewelKS | then mkswap, then swapon |
| 22:55.08 | woodland | hi, i just installed 'xpdf' using apt-get but after installation i dont see it under 'GRAPHICS' |
| 22:55.25 | nvz | bighead: well paste them in a pastebin or pref in #flood |
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| 22:55.32 | mfrisch | woodland >viewers |
| 22:55.40 | stew | woodland: in the debian menu? |
| 22:55.44 | nvz | actually I stil lhave firefox open |
| 22:55.46 | stew | woodland: try viewers |
| 22:55.47 | nvz | so I dont care either way |
| 22:55.49 | bighead | nvz: is there a way i can tell apt-get remove to remove a package and all packages that depend on it? |
| 22:55.52 | woodland | STEW, ya |
| 22:56.05 | stew | bighead: apt-get remove package |
| 22:56.06 | nvz | bighead: ETOODRUNK, RTFM |
| 22:56.15 | jim | look into deborphan or debfoster? |
| 22:56.51 | bighead | stew: but if i do apt-get remove libqt3 it complains about packages depending on it. doesn't remove them =/ |
| 22:56.56 | woodland | stew, i can't find viewers, is there any way i can find this using command line |
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| 22:57.08 | stew | woodland: just type "xpdf" on a command line |
| 22:57.43 | woodland | ok, but stew, can i find where on menu xpdf is listed ? |
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| 22:57.57 | stew | woodland: if its not in viewers, run update-menus |
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| 22:58.08 | stew | bighead: it should give you a prompt to also remove those pacakges |
| 22:58.14 | bighead | stew: any idea what packages has qmake for Qt4? |
| 22:58.24 | stew | bighead: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:58.32 | stew | bighead: but there will be no qt4 packages in sarge |
| 22:58.41 | bighead | stew: hmm somehow I managed to remove all qt3 packages individually |
| 22:58.48 | bighead | stew: i got qt4 from unstable |
| 22:58.54 | stew | bighead: bad idea |
| 22:59.05 | stew | we need a better bobbitt |
| 22:59.18 | stew | i don't remember what the new one is but its not good anyway |
| 22:59.54 | stew | !flamethrower |
| 22:59.55 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
| 22:59.57 | stew | weak |
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| 23:00.50 | stew | bighead: in any case, you cannot safely mix sarge and testing / unstable packages |
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| 23:01.22 | SerajewelKS | nvz, i still get an invalid module format error |
| 23:01.38 | SerajewelKS | nvz, the linker says "*** Warning: "init_module" [/tmp/qemu-0.7.1/kqemu/kqemu.ko] undefined!" |
| 23:01.42 | bighead | stew: hmm. ok i've installed all qt4 packages (atleast the ones apt-cache searh qt4 showed) but qmake doesn't show up ='( |
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| 23:01.47 | SerajewelKS | nvz, but it looks defined in the .c |
| 23:02.20 | stew | !find qmake sarge |
| 23:02.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'qmake' (2 of 4): (/usr/share/qt3/.qmake.cache) in libdevel/libqt3-dev,libdevel/libqt3-mt-dev ;; (/usr/bin/qmake, /usr/share/qt3/bin/qmake, /usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/sco-cc/qmake.conf) in devel/qt3-dev-tools. |
| 23:02.52 | bighead | hmm, dpkg -l qt4-dev-tools |grep qmake doesn't show anything?!?!? |
| 23:03.24 | stew | bighead: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:03.43 | bighead | stew, it told me about apt-file. apt-file update; apt-file search qmake doesn't show anything =/ |
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| 23:04.35 | stew | it should have showed you qt3-dev-tools |
| 23:04.47 | t0ffel | I don't get any errors when updating, but it doesn't look like the marillat packages are added to the db |
| 23:04.49 | bighead | nope doesn't show even that! |
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| 23:04.56 | stew | bighead: you probably messed up your sources.list |
| 23:05.03 | cbr | !find qmake sid |
| 23:05.11 | bighead | stew: nope. |
| 23:05.39 | bighead | stew: last bet. i think i forgot ot install libqt4-dev. installing it right now (and dependencies) |
| 23:05.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'qmake' (3 of 6): (/usr/bin/qmake-qt4, /usr/share/qt4/bin/qmake) in libdevel/libqt4-dev ;; (/usr/share/qt3/.qmake.cache) in libdevel/libqt3-dev,libdevel/libqt3-mt-dev ;; (/usr/bin/qmake, /usr/share/qt3/bin/qmake, /usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/sco-cc/qmake.conf) in devel/qt3-dev-tools. |
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| 23:06.05 | stew | t0ffel: what makes you say that |
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| 23:06.24 | stew | bighead: your really shouldn't be using qt4 on sarge without backporting it |
| 23:06.49 | bighead | stew: backporting? |
| 23:06.59 | stew | bighead: /msg dpkg backports |
| 23:07.09 | jose | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.12 | bighead | stew, aren't unstable packages not guaranteed to work. but they still work. just no complete guarantee |
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| 23:07.49 | t0ffel | stew: or maybe it's just etch. I switched to sid, and now both mplayer and acroread shows up |
| 23:07.56 | AdEmA | hello |
| 23:08.10 | PerfDave | bighead: Mixing binary packages between sid and sarge is not going to work (at least for C++ code) because of C++ ABI changes. |
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| 23:08.18 | t0ffel | but should I be using marillat sid packages? |
| 23:08.20 | stew | bighead: what PerfDave siad |
| 23:08.29 | bighead | PerfDave: hmm. |
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| 23:08.42 | stew | t0ffel: if you are on etch you should be using marillat's "testing" |
| 23:08.45 | AdEmA | i have a problem |
| 23:08.54 | AdEmA | i installed xorg on my debian testing |
| 23:09.09 | AdEmA | but now i have a keyboard problem |
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| 23:09.18 | thingfis1 | AdEmA: use sarge. |
| 23:09.25 | gravity | AdEmA: What kind of keyboard problem? |
| 23:09.30 | AdEmA | the touch shift, alt, ctrl, atlgr don't work |
| 23:09.35 | bighead | stew: but if i'm compiling my program with qt4, i shouldn't have that problem. I'm not using any programs which have been pre-compiled with qt4 |
| 23:09.41 | gravity | hrm |
| 23:09.47 | AdEmA | so i can't have slash etc.. |
| 23:10.06 | gravity | AdEmA: What's your language set for? |
| 23:10.12 | thingfish | 99% of all problems in life can be traced to not using sarge. |
| 23:10.15 | tax0n | deb newbie here: where do I find 'official' deb repositories and what must I specify to add them to my repo list? |
| 23:10.17 | t0ffel | stew: the web page says "etch", not "testing"... but "testing" worked. |
| 23:10.21 | t0ffel | heh |
| 23:10.32 | stew | t0ffel: email him |
| 23:10.32 | AdEmA | thingfish, per aps |
| 23:10.33 | gravity | tax0n: packages.debian.org has a list of mirrors for official repos |
| 23:10.38 | AdEmA | but i'm in testing |
| 23:10.47 | stew | bighead: if qt4 was compiled with g++ you will have problems |
| 23:10.51 | thingfish | well see, and you're suffering, aren't you. |
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| 23:11.08 | tax0n | gravity: thanks, will try that. |
| 23:11.30 | AdEmA | i'm a french boy so i didn't understand english expression |
| 23:11.36 | AdEmA | don't |
| 23:11.39 | gravity | tax0n: To add them, check out your /etc/apt/sources.list. There's also a manpage for sources.list that explains the format for the file |
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| 23:11.45 | thingfish | yay! for the French. |
| 23:11.57 | PerfDave | tax0n: Most easily, use "apt-setup" to set up your sources.list with official Debian repositories. |
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| 23:12.06 | gravity | AdEmA: Ok... so your keyboard should be set for french... |
| 23:12.11 | AdEmA | yes |
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| 23:12.46 | gravity | Man... I really need to learn how the keyboard stuff works, but it's still new to me |
| 23:12.46 | AdEmA | ok |
| 23:12.46 | AdEmA | ... |
| 23:12.47 | thingfish | did you know Paris has one of the highest rates of depression in the world? |
| 23:12.50 | dondelelcaro | can't be higher than alaska |
| 23:12.56 | TheStick | thingfish: it's easily understandable |
| 23:13.02 | thingfish | it is. actually Oregon leads the world. |
| 23:13.05 | gravity | AdEmA: Check /etc/xorg.conf for a line that says "Driver "kbd"" |
| 23:13.16 | gravity | AdEmA: Sorry, that's /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:13.19 | TheStick | life in paris is mostly subway, work, and sleep |
| 23:13.27 | TheStick | (métro boulot dodo) |
| 23:13.27 | AdEmA | y already modified that |
| 23:13.28 | PerfDave | And if you've ever been on the Paris subway... ;) |
| 23:13.35 | slisk | amazing how those with the least cause for depression are those who suffer the most |
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| 23:13.53 | thingfish | see An Atlas of Depression, Baldwin and Birtwistle. |
| 23:13.55 | PerfDave | The Lyon metro, on the other hand, is *awesome* |
| 23:13.56 | slisk | why isn't it iraw or ethiopia, or some place with....problems |
| 23:13.56 | gravity | AdEmA: Actually, could you just put your xorg.conf on a pastebin so I can have a look at it? |
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| 23:14.09 | slisk | s/iraw/iraq |
| 23:14.17 | AdEmA | Section "InputDevice" |
| 23:14.17 | AdEmA | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.17 | AdEmA | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.17 | AdEmA | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.17 | AdEmA | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:14.19 | TheStick | PerfDave: paris' subway is depressing, a dark place where you spend at least an hour a day |
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| 23:14.28 | gravity | AdEmA: In a pastebin please |
| 23:14.28 | AdEmA | EndSection |
| 23:14.30 | AdEmA | sorry |
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| 23:14.45 | slisk | boo-hoo, an hour in the dark with a full stomach and no gun fire |
| 23:14.56 | PerfDave | TheStick: Yes, that's my point. I have unfortunate memories of being pressed into a noxious armpit most of the way from the central arondissiments to the outskirts ;) |
| 23:15.08 | Gexter | hey guys if i want to run a irc server on my debian box wheres a good place to start? |
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| 23:15.16 | AdEmA | http://pastebin.com/344516 |
| 23:15.29 | AmbroseW | Hello everyone, does anyone have a moment to answer some really babyish questions? |
| 23:15.43 | TheStick | PerfDave: exactly, hopefully i'm leaving paris soon :) |
| 23:15.47 | gravity | hrm... that looks right |
| 23:15.47 | PerfDave | AmbroseW: /msg dpkg ask |
| 23:15.48 | stew | AmbroseW: don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 23:15.56 | TheStick | 2 years is already too much |
| 23:16.00 | AdEmA | gravity, yes |
| 23:16.01 | AdEmA | :'( |
| 23:16.06 | Gexter | hey guys if i want to run a irc server on my debian box wheres a good place to start? |
| 23:16.14 | AdEmA | i don't understand what is wroong |
| 23:16.15 | thingfish | TheStick: so is the Paris experience, for you, less than optimal? |
| 23:16.44 | TheStick | thingfish: yup...it's a fine city to visit, but living here really sucks |
| 23:16.47 | AmbroseW | okay, first, will the adobe's linux version of Acrobat work on debian---it doesn't mention it. Will I have to do anything clever? |
| 23:16.52 | LesleyB | Gexter, apt-cache search ircd ? |
| 23:16.53 | PerfDave | TheStick: Then again, at least you don't get randomly shot. It's better than the London Underground ;) |
| 23:16.57 | thingfish | TheStick: where would you prefer to live? |
| 23:17.11 | PerfDave | AmbroseW: There are many other PDF readers available. I believe that Adobe's will work, however. |
| 23:17.20 | TheStick | i used to live in turkey, it's a pretty fine place :) |
| 23:17.28 | thingfish | ah, nice :) |
| 23:17.29 | gravity | AdEmA: You should probably file a bug report. We've got an xkb expert on the list who takes a look at such things. I believe he's French as well, so he could probably help you better than I can |
| 23:17.38 | thingfish | exquisite place, I'm sure. |
| 23:17.47 | TheStick | grass everywhere, nice people, nice food, an excellent bus system |
| 23:17.49 | AmbroseW | Yeah, any recommended [pdf readers]? Debian's default one couldn't read my british pound sign |
| 23:17.50 | thingfish | I would love to visit Turkey. |
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| 23:18.12 | thingfish | nice food is a *real* good thing hehe. |
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| 23:18.15 | AdEmA | where can i do a bug report , |
| 23:18.17 | PerfDave | AmbroseW: What do you mean by "Debian's default one"? I use kghostview or xpdf. |
| 23:18.24 | gravity | AdEmA: The reportbug program will do it |
| 23:18.28 | thingfish | I mean, I'll be fucking communist, if you got good food. |
| 23:18.30 | TheStick | thingfish: yeah, especially when it's cheap hehe |
| 23:18.45 | thingfish | hehe yeah |
| 23:18.45 | PerfDave | TheStick: I was about to say, Paris doesn't have much public transport other than the Metro, does it? At least London has buses. |
| 23:18.57 | AmbroseW | Oooh, I'm not sure. I'll give acrobat a go and then if it doesn't work I'll look elsewhere. |
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| 23:19.50 | AmbroseW | The next thing, basically I installed Debian today on my lovely new PC and it went like a dream but.... |
| 23:20.08 | TheStick | PerfDave: there's a bus system, but it's really slow...an hour in the bus is like 15 minutes in the subway |
| 23:20.10 | PerfDave | AmbroseW: Well, Adobe's reader won't be in the Debian repositories, because it's not DFSG-Free software. You'll have to get it from Adobe directly. |
| 23:20.12 | TheStick | too much traffic :/ |
| 23:20.13 | PerfDave | TheStick: Fair enough |
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| 23:21.06 | AmbroseW | it asked about my my monitor and graphics card. to the question what's the max resolution and refresh rate I guessed 1024x768 (which is true) and 75hz (which is a guess) |
| 23:21.32 | AmbroseW | and to the choice of video cards I guessed VESA |
| 23:21.38 | gravity | AmbroseW: If your X config isn't working for you, you may want to install xdebconfigurator |
| 23:21.44 | gravity | AmbroseW: And discover |
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| 23:21.55 | PerfDave | AmbroseW: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
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| 23:22.17 | gravity | And read-edid |
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| 23:23.02 | bryan | Hi, I'm an experienced Debian user having some trouble *removing* apache2 and its friends. Several packages, in order to be removed, try to stop Apache2, but it's not there, so they can't be removed. How can I signal to other packages that they should not try to stop apache2? |
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| 23:23.41 | harleyg | syn |
| 23:23.43 | AmbroseW | Anyway, it's running at 800x600 and I can't get it to go higher, which I know my monitor can handle |
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| 23:23.51 | gravity | bryan: Ouch... that sounds like bugs in the packages. You'll want to hack their removal scripts (prerm scripts are the ones you want) |
| 23:24.11 | harleyg | syn god damn it |
| 23:24.16 | bryan | gravity: thanks for the tip. Where are those scripts usually stored? |
| 23:24.47 | gravity | bryan: I'd patch them to check for apache2 being run or whatever before doing their stop thingy. Then send the patch as a bug report so that can get fixed |
| 23:24.50 | gravity | bryan: Hrm... one sec |
| 23:24.56 | PerfDave | AmbroseW: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 23:25.17 | AmbroseW | Oh hey PerfDave I typed that---what was supposed to happen? |
| 23:25.18 | harleyg | just to make sure of this |
| 23:25.22 | harleyg | i say syn, you say ack |
| 23:25.22 | AmbroseW | thanks btw |
| 23:25.24 | harleyg | "syn" |
| 23:25.27 | torusr_ | . |
| 23:25.39 | LesleyB | look for a tab with dpkg on it AmbroseW |
| 23:25.47 | stew | rst |
| 23:26.02 | PerfDave | AmbroseW: Where did you type it? |
| 23:26.14 | bumblefsck | if I want to mount a vfat system on a debian box, do I have to recompile the kernel? can i just recompile the modules? |
| 23:26.20 | TheStick | sweet dreams, everybody :) |
| 23:26.23 | AmbroseW | kinda right here |
| 23:26.28 | thingfish | you too, TheStick |
| 23:26.28 | LesleyB | nite TheStick |
| 23:26.32 | PerfDave | bumblefsck: Why do you think you need to recompile anything? |
| 23:26.37 | TheStick | :) |
| 23:26.43 | stew | bumblefsck: if you are using a debian kernel you can just mount it |
| 23:26.46 | gravity | bryan: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 23:27.03 | bumblefsck | vfat not recognized by kernel... |
| 23:27.09 | bryan | gravity: thank you! i will hack them up and submit a bug against them. |
| 23:27.10 | jason^ | so i open up evolution and it says it died already and it wants to restart or close, am i missing a package or something? |
| 23:27.22 | gravity | bryan: Coolness |
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| 23:27.54 | thingfish | jason^: exact error messages are beneficial. |
| 23:28.30 | PerfDave | bumblefsck: How are you getting that error message? |
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| 23:29.07 | AmbroseW | thanks everyone, goodnight... |
| 23:29.12 | jason^ | thingfish: The Application "evolution" has quit unexpectedly. |
| 23:29.12 | bumblefsck | this debian system is ancient, kernel 2.4. I thought filesystems were all done as modules? |
| 23:29.17 | thingfish | jason^: and you can strace evolution too. |
| 23:29.34 | stew | bumblefsck: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 23:29.46 | thingfish | jason^: from terminal, as the user |
| 23:29.46 | stew | my money is on bf24 |
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| 23:29.58 | PerfDave | bumblefsck: If you're using a Debian-provided kernel, be it 2.4 or 2.6, it should have vfat support |
| 23:30.01 | gpm | hey...why is grip's status "Uninterruptable" in gnome-system-monitor? |
| 23:30.04 | thingfish | jason^: when did this start? |
| 23:30.05 | gpm | and how do i kill it? |
| 23:30.06 | jason^ | thingfish: there is no error on the terminal |
| 23:30.07 | PerfDave | stew: I thought that even bf24 had vfat support ;) |
| 23:30.07 | bumblefsck | PerfDave:mnt# mount /dev/sda2 -t go /mnt/ipod/ |
| 23:30.07 | bumblefsck | mount: fs type go not supported by kernel |
| 23:30.15 | jason^ | thingfish: it has always done this. |
| 23:30.21 | WiFiTux_ | Anyone knows which is the package that looks for new hardware and mounts it automatically under /media? |
| 23:30.25 | stew | bumblefsck: what is go? |
| 23:30.33 | bumblefsck | stew: 2.4.25 |
| 23:30.33 | thingfish | ah. have you tried purging it, and reinstalling? |
| 23:30.33 | PerfDave | bumblefsck: Yes, you will note that that error is "fs type go not supported by kernel", not "fs type vfat not supported by kernel" |
| 23:30.41 | WiFiTux_ | bumblefsck: I'm mounting my ipod too. :) |
| 23:30.54 | PerfDave | WiFiTux_: autofs will do what you want. |
| 23:31.05 | stew | bumblefsck: that't not a debian kernel, so its quite possible that it doesn't have vfat support |
| 23:31.05 | jason^ | last line before it dies is "poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=8, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=10, events=POLLIN}, {fd=12, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=20, events=POLLIN}, {fd=22, events=POLLIN}, {fd=24, events=POLLIN}], 8, 0) = 0 |
| 23:31.07 | WiFiTux_ | PerfDave: :) |
| 23:31.08 | bumblefsck | oops sorry, I just typed that to see if I put in gibberish if I would get the same error |
| 23:31.11 | PerfDave | Heh, more fools falling for Apple hype |
| 23:31.14 | bumblefsck | s/go/vfat |
| 23:31.24 | gpm | hey...why is grip's status "Uninterruptable" in gnome-system-monitor? |
| 23:31.26 | gpm | and how do i kill it? |
| 23:31.55 | stew | bumblefsck: you might wanna upgrade to the lastest debian kernel, apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-arch where arch is 386/686/k7/etc |
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| 23:32.05 | PerfDave | bumblefsck: As stew asked, what's the output of "uname -r"? Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 23:32.19 | stew | PerfDave: he said "2.4.25" |
| 23:32.24 | bumblefsck | PerfDave: ephod |
| 23:32.36 | Annirak | Could anyone shed any light on what TCP type 2 is, and whi it's in everyone's iptables firewall scripts? |
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| 23:32.39 | WiFiTux_ | Any idea why limewire is not anymore in the Sid repo? |
| 23:33.01 | PerfDave | bumblefsck: "ephod"? |
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| 23:33.41 | bumblefsck | stew: figured as much. Thanks for your help all. I'm just reluctant, as my hardrive currently sounds like a box of bbs. I'm trying to copy files off before it finally croaks. |
| 23:33.48 | PerfDave | stew: Yeah, that sounds liek woody-era kernel. |
| 23:34.06 | nvz | Annirak: what I am wondering is how you seen everyone's iptables |
| 23:34.06 | PerfDave | stew: plus, that's not the output of "uname -r" for any Debian kernel. |
| 23:34.07 | bumblefsck | PerfDave: ephod lets you get your songs off your ipod. |
| 23:34.14 | jason^ | thingfish: anything else i can do to figure this out? |
| 23:34.27 | PerfDave | bumblefsck: What version of Debian did you install, and what's the output of "uname -r"? |
| 23:34.30 | WiFiTux_ | PerfDave: hmm, no, Is not mounting automatically. |
| 23:34.39 | Annirak | nvz: gross generalization. I--obviously--meant most published ones. |
| 23:34.46 | bumblefsck | PerfDave: woody, and 2.4.25 |
| 23:34.50 | thingfish | jason^: is this sarge? sid? |
| 23:34.52 | me_here_ | Anirak: i don'tknow anyting about TCP 2 but maybe it has to do with ipv6 ? |
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| 23:35.09 | stew | WiFiTux_: limewire is not free |
| 23:35.22 | PerfDave | bumblefsck: OK, what's the output from "uname -a"? |
| 23:35.31 | Annirak | thanks me_here_ |
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| 23:35.45 | stew | WiFiTux_: oh wait maybe they opened the source to limewire |
| 23:35.47 | torusr_ | . |
| 23:35.48 | WiFiTux_ | stew: it is. Or, did it change? Java is a dependencie but limewire was there. |
| 23:36.03 | PerfDave | WiFiTux_: Is it in contrib? |
| 23:36.11 | jason^ | thingfish: testing |
| 23:36.14 | WiFiTux_ | stew: ??? limewire was original from Linux. |
| 23:36.15 | kadigibox | WiFiTux_, use gtk-gnutella. it connects to limewire and limewire pro nodes |
| 23:36.25 | WiFiTux_ | kadigibox: cool thanks. |
| 23:36.36 | kadigibox | as well as bearshare |
| 23:36.41 | WiFiTux_ | :) |
| 23:36.44 | thingfish | jason^: sorry, can't help. purge and reinstall evolution. |
| 23:36.44 | nvz | WiFiTux_: gift is better uses network protocol plugins |
| 23:36.51 | jason^ | man apt-get |
| 23:36.54 | jason^ | whoops |
| 23:36.55 | stew | WiFiTux_: what license is the source code released under? |
| 23:37.03 | nvz | WiFiTux_: you can connect to limewire, kazaa..etc all at once |
| 23:37.10 | WiFiTux_ | my stupid ipod shuffle won't mount. |
| 23:37.33 | bumblefsck | uname -a: sonia 2.4.25 #5 Wed May 12 04:52:55 PDT 2004 i686 unknown |
| 23:37.56 | jason^ | thingfish: just remove the package and delete the dot files from it? |
| 23:38.20 | WiFiTux_ | G |
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| 23:38.34 | thingfish | jason^: to make it easy on yourself, open synaptic and do it that way. You'll see a "completely remove" option. |
| 23:38.34 | adjacent | hmm... i just installed the netinst disc from stable with no errors or problems, but when i boot after installing the machine will begin loading modules, then hang after saying "PCI: Sharing IRQ 9 with 00:0#.#" whre should i look to resolve this? |
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| 23:38.59 | WiFiTux_ | nvz: will check it out. |
| 23:39.21 | thingfish | jason^: if it wants to remove too many things, try simply reinstalling it. |
| 23:40.04 | stew | adjacent: you may need to pass some option to your kernel, you might wanna try "pci=biosirq" |
| 23:40.12 | thingfish | but I don't use etch, so really I'd better stop giving you advice. |
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| 23:40.25 | deepz | hey guys |
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| 23:40.36 | stew | adjacent: other ones to try would be acpi=off and pci=noacpi |
| 23:40.39 | deepz | got a problem while my gnome or kde starts |
| 23:40.51 | deepz | it says xscreensaver |
| 23:40.54 | deepz | problem |
| 23:41.00 | deepz | could not be initiated |
| 23:41.12 | nvz | WiFiTux_: it also works as a client/server model. you have many clients to choose from, even windows ones |
| 23:41.18 | jason^ | thingfish: ok tried to completely remove and reinstall, still same error |
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| 23:42.05 | thingfish | jason^: have you checked BTS? |
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| 23:43.31 | PerfDave | bumblefsck: Have you compiled your own kernel? |
| 23:43.34 | WiFiTux_ | nvz: dude, the thing even has to be configured? |
| 23:43.44 | nvz | WiFiTux_: of course. |
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| 23:44.01 | jason^ | thingfish: checked before, didn't see anything specific in there |
| 23:44.05 | nvz | WiFiTux_: everytime you add a plugin you run gift-setup |
| 23:44.22 | WiFiTux_ | nvz: dude, no thanks. I just want one file. |
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| 23:44.47 | nvz | WiFiTux_: whatever :P I use it on OpenFT, Gnutella, and FastTrack. |
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| 23:45.11 | WiFiTux_ | nvz: hehe I just want one mp3, that's all. But looks a broad app... |
| 23:45.34 | Orphis | is it a suitable place to ask things about programming problems under debian ? |
| 23:45.48 | Annirak | What does this do? $iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-option ! 2 -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset |
| 23:45.49 | Coag | gtk-gnutella is easy to get one mp3 WiFiTux_ |
| 23:45.53 | Coag | and no configuring |
| 23:45.55 | thingfish | Orphis: you never know until you ask and get ignored. |
| 23:46.04 | gravity | Orphis: Depends on what you're programming really |
| 23:46.06 | WiFiTux_ | nvz: that gtk-gnutella is cool and fast! :) |
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| 23:46.15 | Orphis | well it's a problem with libusb and the driver i'm programming |
| 23:46.16 | WiFiTux_ | Coag: yeah! :) |
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| 23:46.31 | deepz | guys |
| 23:46.36 | deepz | any body |
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| 23:46.46 | deepz | i have a problem in gnome or kde |
| 23:46.51 | deepz | starrtup |
| 23:46.53 | bumblefsck | ok... I just apt-got a new kernel. It can't be this simple. something must break. |
| 23:47.03 | nvz | WiFiTux_: and gives you access to about 10,000 users with about 20TB of files when you could have access to around 3,000,000 with 60TB+ files |
| 23:47.05 | Orphis | i get a "No route to host" error when i try to send things to my device... and i don't understand why because i've done all the classic steps that are written in every source |
| 23:47.07 | stew | bumblefsck: do you run lilo or grub? |
| 23:47.11 | bumblefsck | rebooting |
| 23:47.14 | bumblefsck | lilo on this box. |
| 23:47.17 | WiFiTux_ | nvz: :| |
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| 23:47.19 | deepz | it has problem in inititaing xscreensaver child process |
| 23:47.21 | stew | bumblefsck: did you add an initrd line? |
| 23:47.27 | stew | bumblefsck: or did you have one already? |
| 23:47.27 | thingfish | man, greg pappanastos is the best progressive dj in the world, next to digweed. |
| 23:47.33 | nvz | WiFiTux_: on three different networks instead of one |
| 23:47.34 | Orphis | do anyone know why i get such an error ? |
| 23:47.37 | stew | bumblefsck: becuase that should be the only way you break stuff |
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| 23:47.57 | bumblefsck | yeah, I duplicated the single user stanza just in case. I have 1 with initrd line, and 1 without |
| 23:48.09 | stew | bumblefsck: there you go, it should be that easy |
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| 23:48.28 | Orphis | oh and btw, i have no more classic console using Ctrl+Alt+Fx when i've upgraded my kernel |
| 23:48.32 | nvz | WiFiTux_: I d/l mostly music with it myself. its easier for me than digging out cds. not to mention cds get old and break ..etc |
| 23:48.33 | startxwhite | i am new to debian. i have a laptop which has an orinoco wireless pcmcia and a network port on the back. I also have a desktop P400 with one network pci card. i have neither a have nor a swictch. the laptop is running fedora4 has a working wireless internet connection and the desktop is running a just installed sarge. i want to have internet on the sarge box. how can i do it? |
| 23:48.35 | Orphis | do anyone know why ? :) |
| 23:48.36 | Guerin | classic console? |
| 23:48.42 | Orphis | yes the basic one |
| 23:48.47 | Guerin | ... |
| 23:48.58 | Orphis | the one you see when the computer boots |
| 23:49.04 | WiFiTux_ | nvz: :| I will have it present and will configure it. I can't imagine the amount of pr0n. ;/ hehe |
| 23:49.15 | Orphis | as soon as X is launched, I only have a black screen |
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| 23:49.22 | Orphis | (in the alternate consoles) |
| 23:49.27 | Orphis | but X is running fine |
| 23:49.56 | nvz | WiFiTux_: heh. |
| 23:50.01 | adjacent | stew: hmm. ok, i played with those options |
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| 23:50.05 | deepz | in gnome in the flash screen its giving me an error of initiatting xscreensaver |
| 23:50.21 | adjacent | stew: now im hanging on "starting hotplug system: pci" |
| 23:50.25 | adjacent | its weird |
| 23:50.34 | adjacent | and i hope this machine isnt dying on me =/ |
| 23:50.37 | bumblefsck | knew it was too good to be true... uname -r still has me at 2.4.25 |
| 23:50.42 | WiFiTux_ | nvz: I wonder if there are any of these downloaders for screen. :) |
| 23:50.55 | nvz | WiFiTux_: shared/user on gnutella is usually in the MB rage.. on FastTrack usually in the GB range.. but on OpenFT the native gift plugin its in the TB range |
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| 23:51.09 | nvz | WiFiTux_: eh? |
| 23:51.15 | startxwhite | i do not have a switch nor a hub |
| 23:51.25 | nvz | WiFiTux_: you mean giFTcurs for curses frontend? |
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| 23:51.51 | PerfDave | startxwhite: Connect the laptop to the desktop with a crossover network cable. Set up IP forwarding and possibly SNAT on the FC4 box. |
| 23:51.57 | stew | adjacent: well thats progress i guess, you may wanna go over your other options in Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt in the kernel source |
| 23:52.00 | Guerin | people still use gift/fasttrack/etc? |
| 23:52.06 | doleyb | Is there a debian package which can view *.lit files? (like from etext.lib.virginia.edu/ebooks ) |
| 23:52.15 | nvz | Guerin: yep |
| 23:52.16 | bumblefsck | I'm getting all kinds of weird dependencies with the kernel |
| 23:52.16 | Guerin | huuuuge waste of fucking time since about 2001 |
| 23:52.21 | adjacent | stew: will do, thanks |
| 23:52.26 | nvz | Guerin: still works too |
| 23:52.36 | Guerin | fsvo works |
| 23:52.43 | jcurry | isn't kde 3.4 in sid? shouldn't dpkg's message be updated? |
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| 23:52.57 | nvz | I only have one cd I actually ripped and I ended up d/l most the tracks anyhow |
| 23:53.01 | adjacent | actually... cool, acpi=off has it working if i put it on the right line ;) |
| 23:53.22 | nvz | ripping/encoding takes longer than d/l |
| 23:53.25 | mrgenixus | hey, how's everybody? I just discovered that My user can no longer write cd's with nautilus cd-burner can anyone help me understand why? |
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| 23:54.08 | doleyb | jcurry: i have sid and only kde 3.3.2 so far. |
| 23:54.17 | nvz | mrgenixus: no error dialogs given? |
| 23:54.29 | mrgenixus | none, simply no option to write to a cd |
| 23:54.34 | mrgenixus | no output in terminal either |
| 23:54.43 | mrgenixus | I percieve that I no-longer have permission |
| 23:54.44 | nvz | mrgenixus: did you upgrade or something? |
| 23:55.17 | nvz | maybe even change the kernel or upgrade gnome or nautilus, possible remove componants? |
| 23:55.28 | mrgenixus | nvz: yes, a couple of dys ago |
| 23:55.32 | mrgenixus | all of those things |
| 23:55.48 | nvz | mrgenixus: maybe it broke or accidentally remove the cdburner package for nautilus |
| 23:55.54 | cbr | kde 3.4.2 is fairly slowly being added to sid |
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| 23:56.05 | mrgenixus | nvz: definitely have nautilus-cd-burner installed |
| 23:56.06 | nvz | mrgenixus: I would first verify what related componants are installed then check the BTS on them. |
| 23:56.10 | mrgenixus | possibly not cdrecord |
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| 23:56.41 | YaleR | what do you guys say to people who come for help and use different distros? |
| 23:56.46 | jcurry | doleyb, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/kdelibs |
| 23:56.48 | YaleR | somebody mind showing me? |
| 23:56.56 | nvz | YaleR: fuck off :) |
| 23:57.02 | nvz | YaleR: heh |
| 23:57.11 | gravity | stick around... |
| 23:57.21 | nvz | YaleR: whats up? what are you using and what do you need help with? |
| 23:57.32 | SerajewelKS | i cannot get insmod to insert kqemu after compiling it. i have the correct kernel headers, and am using gcc-3.3 (same version kernel was compiled on). the module linker complains after complication that "init_module" and "cleanup_module" are undefined, even though they are in the source file. any thoughts? |
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| 23:57.48 | YaleR | nvz: I just want to see the message dpkg spews, I'm fine :) |
| 23:57.49 | YaleR | thanks |
| 23:58.02 | YaleR | it's something like... |
| 23:58.04 | YaleR | !they don't know |
| 23:58.05 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 23:58.06 | gravity | I usually just tell them to go to their distro's channel |
| 23:58.07 | mrgenixus | cdrecord is suid root |
| 23:58.08 | YaleR | wow |
| 23:58.15 | YaleR | I'm just that good |
| 23:58.20 | nvz | YaleR: heh |
| 23:58.21 | doleyb | jcurry: that's not kde 3.4 |
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| 23:58.40 | mrgenixus | YaleR: I'd say go to the gentoo channel regardless of the distro you use, including debian |
| 23:58.43 | frumious-0 | YaleR: no, dpkg is that good. |
| 23:58.50 | mrgenixus | becuase everybody in debian is either a jerk or a smart-ass |
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| 23:58.56 | Gexter | debian is leet |
| 23:59.09 | nvz | B.S. |
| 23:59.14 | YaleR | ahaha |
| 23:59.31 | frumious-0 | Hey, I'm not a smart ass! |
| 23:59.31 | nvz | I am Leet, I know cause I live here. |
| 23:59.42 | nvz | thats how I know debian is not leet |
| 23:59.48 | PerfDave | Debian is truly elite, I used it to pull off a righteous hack on a Gibson. |
| 23:59.49 | nvz | else I would have known about it sooner |
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