| 00:00.19 | gravity | PerfDave: :-) |
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| 00:01.07 | bumblefsck | hmm... my lilo.conf just changed back to a previous version.... any ideas why that might happen? is that part of the kernal update script? |
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| 00:01.30 | nvz | YaleR: there you go |
| 00:02.00 | nvz | ah too late |
| 00:02.04 | YaleR | any chance I could steal dpkg? |
| 00:02.13 | YaleR | it should be open source... |
| 00:02.18 | nvz | YaleR: its a blootbot |
| 00:02.35 | YaleR | modified I'm sure :/ |
| 00:02.40 | nvz | YaleR: if you need its database you would have to d/l an archive from dondelelcaro |
| 00:02.40 | frumious-0 | bumblefsck: do an upgrade and answer "y" when it asked if dpkg could replace it? |
| 00:02.55 | nvz | YaleR: not really configuration mostly |
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| 00:03.10 | YaleR | nvz: thanks |
| 00:03.27 | bumblefsck | frumious-0: it never asked. |
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| 00:04.33 | nvz | YaleR: there are many bots around here. the blootbots are the most popular as they are the friendly ones or well sometimes not so friendly |
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| 00:04.58 | nvz | YaleR: they really only do what they are told so its a matter of how they are used really |
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| 00:05.24 | cp | hi |
| 00:05.31 | cp | is there any way to install xorg in etch ? |
| 00:05.34 | YaleR | nvz: I just love how easy dpkg is, I've been fooling around with quite a few bots and it just seems to work the best |
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| 00:06.05 | nvz | YaleR: its a blootbot. they are designed to be overloaded with helpful features. |
| 00:06.25 | bumblefsck | hey I think I found a minor bug in one of the kernel upgrade scripts |
| 00:06.31 | PF | To change from the initial ethernet configuration (DHCP), is there a script to run to make changes to the network configuration or do I need to manually edit the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 00:06.40 | me_here_ | is everyone allowed to set up his own bot in a channel ? |
| 00:06.49 | nvz | YaleR: its not really going to do the sorts of things our channel services, eggdrop or other bots do.. but its just as much helpful at times |
| 00:07.09 | me_here_ | or only channel ops ? |
| 00:07.31 | nvz | me_here_: you should have permission to run a bot on this server. |
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| 00:08.47 | nvz | me_here_: there are more than enough bots in #debian. we got 4 blootbots, freenode service bots, and an eggdrop bot that assist this channel |
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| 00:08.53 | bumblefsck | what's the easiest way to find out who maintains a package? |
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| 00:09.08 | matteo | bumblefsck: packages.debian.org/PACKAGE |
| 00:09.08 | PerfDave | bumblefsck: http://packages.debian.org/ or apt-cache show |
| 00:09.09 | nvz | not to mention piggy which is sort-of a bot |
| 00:09.29 | nvz | I guess you could call pisg a bot |
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| 00:09.53 | me_here_ | nvz: how do i refer to the bots respectively, or is dpkg the one main bot also managing the others ? |
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| 00:11.34 | WiFiTux_ | nvz: giftcurses? that works on a tty? |
| 00:11.44 | jcurry | doley..umm, i'm confused..."kdelibs (4:3.4.2-1)" it says 3.4.2 right there |
| 00:11.51 | nvz | me_here_: the blootbots are apt, badgers, dpkg, and ravenbird. badgers is a clone of dpkg for when he isnt able to be here, apt's trigger is ~ and ravenbird's is @, debhelper is an eggdrop bot and can only be controlled by the operator. and same with piggy which is a pisg statistics generator |
| 00:11.53 | jcurry | doleyb..umm, i'm confused..."kdelibs (4:3.4.2-1)" it says 3.4.2 right there |
| 00:12.14 | nvz | WiFiTux_: yeah but only if you stop calling it giftcurses |
| 00:12.37 | nvz | WiFiTux_: the command is giFTcurs, but I guess the package is called giftcurses |
| 00:12.45 | WiFiTux_ | nvz: giftcurs. OK :) |
| 00:12.54 | nvz | WiFiTux_: no giFTcurs |
| 00:12.59 | WiFiTux_ | yeah yeah! |
| 00:13.01 | nvz | heh |
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| 00:13.09 | WiFiTux_ | hehe |
| 00:13.18 | nvz | I am serious damn it! |
| 00:13.28 | WiFiTux_ | nvz: what music do you "study"? |
| 00:13.37 | nvz | umm? duh.. |
| 00:13.41 | kurumin | j/ campos |
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| 00:13.57 | frst | como se llama el programa para quemar cds de gnome? |
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| 00:14.09 | WiFiTux_ | hhmm |
| 00:14.13 | PerfDave | !hispanic |
| 00:14.13 | dpkg | i guess hispanic is por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues; Para los usuarios debian de habla hispaņa que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es |
| 00:14.14 | nvz | frst: grip |
| 00:14.16 | WiFiTux_ | frst: use k3b. |
| 00:14.25 | WiFiTux_ | nvz: Burn not Rip. |
| 00:14.40 | nvz | WiFiTux_: excuse me I am drunk and that istn in yinzer |
| 00:14.50 | WiFiTux_ | heh |
| 00:15.08 | WiFiTux_ | Is there one for gnome? I have always used k3b anyway. |
| 00:15.24 | nvz | there are.. I used gcombust before k3b came out |
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| 00:15.45 | nvz | gcombust works but the interface hurts compared to the relative ease of k3b |
| 00:16.02 | nvz | there are others I havent tried or havent used in a long time. |
| 00:16.05 | WiFiTux_ | oh |
| 00:16.15 | WiFiTux_ | By the way, that !hispanic is pretty lame/ |
| 00:16.40 | bumblefsck | do I have to do anything else after installing a newer kernel via apt? |
| 00:16.52 | WiFiTux_ | bumblefsck: reboot. |
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| 00:16.56 | nvz | bumblefsck: dance a jig. |
| 00:17.02 | WiFiTux_ | lol |
| 00:17.05 | nvz | :) |
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| 00:17.18 | nvz | I am in the mood for a good show |
| 00:17.21 | bumblefsck | It keeps coming up with the same old kernel as before |
| 00:17.25 | bumblefsck | 2.4.25 |
| 00:17.30 | WiFiTux_ | bumblefsck: actually, check that it was put up fine in the bootmanager. |
| 00:17.42 | WiFiTux_ | bumblefsck: lilo -v ? |
| 00:17.51 | bumblefsck | i just checked lilo.conf, and all seems good. |
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| 00:18.03 | frumious-0 | bumblefsck: still gotta re-run lilo. |
| 00:18.08 | bumblefsck | WiFiTux_: rebooting... |
| 00:18.14 | bumblefsck | ahhh... |
| 00:18.23 | nvz | surely thats not _Rahul_ rahul.. |
| 00:18.30 | WiFiTux_ | bumblefsck: lilo writes crap to the mbr, this is why is no longer used. |
| 00:18.37 | nvz | !rahul |
| 00:18.38 | dpkg | Rahul's ass site is at http://linux.rice.edu/~rahul/ You can find XF86Configs for XFree4 using DRI on voodoo3 as well as Xinerama there. rah0000 |
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| 00:18.47 | frumious-0 | WiFiTux_: but he *is* using it. |
| 00:18.57 | nvz | I guess I should have said rah00 |
| 00:19.02 | WiFiTux_ | frumious-0: that's why I'm telling him to run it again. |
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| 00:19.06 | startxwhite | i bumped into my power cable and powered off the laptop. sorry |
| 00:19.09 | frumious-0 | WiFiTux_: heh, me too. |
| 00:19.15 | nvz | its been like a year since rah00 was here |
| 00:19.27 | WiFiTux_ | nvz: miss him ;( |
| 00:19.29 | frumious-0 | Sometimes nvz sounds like a bot. |
| 00:19.30 | WiFiTux_ | lol |
| 00:19.37 | Johnrob2 | Hay alguien aqui que puede hablar en espanol? |
| 00:19.41 | frumious-0 | Eliza maybe. |
| 00:19.41 | nvz | !nvz |
| 00:19.42 | dpkg | i heard nvz is the village idiot, or a Natural Verified Zonq'er. |
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| 00:19.45 | WiFiTux_ | Johnrob2: si. |
| 00:19.49 | frumious-0 | heh |
| 00:20.02 | Johnrob2 | en serio? |
| 00:20.12 | WiFiTux_ | No idiota, claro. En #debian-es |
| 00:20.16 | Lanix | how is a .deb pkg install ? with dpkg install ? |
| 00:20.18 | WiFiTux_ | geez |
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| 00:20.29 | WiFiTux_ | Lanix: dpkg -i package.deb |
| 00:20.34 | frumious-0 | Johnrob2: not me. |
| 00:20.39 | Johnrob2 | ha ha! Que bueno! |
| 00:20.43 | WiFiTux_ | :) |
| 00:20.45 | Lanix | thank you |
| 00:20.52 | WiFiTux_ | np |
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| 00:22.49 | nvz | dpkg, nvz is also Never Visits Zoos, or Non Volatile Zone |
| 00:22.49 | dpkg | okay, nvz |
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| 00:23.07 | nvz | I havent changed that in a long time... |
| 00:23.12 | frumious-0 | dpkg, nvz is No ViZine. |
| 00:23.12 | dpkg | ...but nvz is already something else... |
| 00:23.19 | frumious-0 | darn! |
| 00:23.22 | bumblefsck | lilo is giving me a boot sector error |
| 00:23.26 | WiFiTux_ | nvz is also NoVio Zopetas |
| 00:23.27 | nvz | frumious-0: forgot to say is also |
| 00:23.28 | WiFiTux_ | lol |
| 00:23.35 | WiFiTux_ | ah, latin joke. |
| 00:23.44 | startxwhite | PerfDave: i connected the crossover cable. my fedora laptop which has internet via wireless is 192.168.2.12. can i give the sarge PC 192.168.2.14? what shall i specify as gateway on the sarge PC? and dns? |
| 00:23.46 | bumblefsck | apt wants me to upgrade about 345 packages... should I say yes? |
| 00:24.04 | Johnrob2 | Que significas? |
| 00:24.22 | WiFiTux_ | Johnrob2: nada. |
| 00:24.49 | Johnrob2 | Ya se las palabras pero no entienda. |
| 00:25.02 | Johnrob2 | locosea |
| 00:25.04 | amphi | startxwhite: the ip of the laptop |
| 00:25.25 | startxwhite | i do not undertand amphi |
| 00:25.57 | WiFiTux_ | startxwhite: what do you want to do? Internet sharing? |
| 00:26.02 | startxwhite | yes |
| 00:26.06 | WiFiTux_ | jaja |
| 00:26.08 | Johnrob2 | oh! ha ha! Si, lo entiendo. |
| 00:26.12 | WiFiTux_ | startxwhite: is not that easy. |
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| 00:26.18 | WiFiTux_ | Johnrob2: :| |
| 00:26.52 | sgn | Having some issues running bind9... It does not read the "listen-on"-directive when it starts up, I have to log in and restart it... Anyone? |
| 00:26.58 | Johnrob2 | oh, veo. |
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| 00:28.03 | thingfish | si voces vao falar espanhol, eu vou falar portugues. |
| 00:28.22 | WiFiTux_ | thingfish: no falho portugues. |
| 00:28.35 | thingfish | vejo. |
| 00:28.42 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:28.49 | startxwhite | amphi: still there? |
| 00:28.58 | WiFiTux_ | thingfish: but I'm good at it, :) |
| 00:29.04 | thingfish | ;) |
| 00:29.12 | Johnrob2 | Pienso que voy a quitar....y hacer algo mas. Adios. |
| 00:29.18 | cdtcpl | I keep adding sites to nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:29.18 | cdtcpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.18 | WiFiTux_ | adios |
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| 00:29.25 | thingfish | ate logo |
| 00:29.47 | WiFiTux_ | thingfish: ate logo, hasta luego? |
| 00:29.58 | thingfish | exatamente :) |
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| 00:30.10 | WiFiTux_ | thingfish: I need to improve it. |
| 00:30.24 | thingfish | I don't know if I spelled that right... |
| 00:30.36 | thingfish | it's bothering me, looking at it. |
| 00:30.40 | WiFiTux_ | I don't think so, you BR? |
| 00:30.45 | WiFiTux_ | PT? |
| 00:30.58 | thingfish | no, usa |
| 00:31.01 | PerfDave | startxwhite: You probably need to talk to your network administrator to get an IP address, if you just want to do IP forwarding, and give the Debian box the same DNS and gateway settings as your FC4 laptop. If you want to do NAT, you use a seperate network for your laptop and desktop, and give the desktop the IP of the laptop as a gateway. |
| 00:31.03 | WiFiTux_ | haha |
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| 00:31.11 | foo | How can I stop xdm from starting at startup? |
| 00:31.26 | gravity | !tell foo about nodm |
| 00:31.42 | Xenguy | Wanderer: try breathing thru you nose, and asking a question :-) |
| 00:31.44 | Xenguy | ww |
| 00:31.52 | startxwhite | PerfDave: sounds way too complicated for a newbie |
| 00:31.55 | WiFiTux_ | foo: update-rc.d -f xdm remove? (just esporadic) |
| 00:32.08 | WiFiTux_ | startxwhite: Oh yes. |
| 00:32.15 | foo | gravity: Hmm, if I get rid of kdm can I still startx and what not? |
| 00:32.19 | WiFiTux_ | PerfDave: don't he also need iptables? |
| 00:32.25 | gravity | foo: Of course |
| 00:32.29 | PerfDave | WiFiTux_: Not necessarily. |
| 00:32.38 | WiFiTux_ | PerfDave: oh, add routes? |
| 00:32.40 | PerfDave | startxwhite: It's hard to say what you need to do without more information on your network. I suggest you talk to your network administrator. |
| 00:32.44 | PerfDave | WiFiTux_: Not necessarily. |
| 00:32.45 | gravity | foo: startx is in the xbase-clients package, so if you've got that and the xserver you should be fine |
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| 00:32.51 | foo | gravity: thanks |
| 00:32.53 | startxwhite | who is my network admin? i have root on both the laptop and the desktop |
| 00:32.59 | WiFiTux_ | lol |
| 00:33.03 | startxwhite | i am |
| 00:33.06 | PerfDave | startxwhite: I don't know who your network admin is :) |
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| 00:33.10 | startxwhite | i am |
| 00:33.14 | PerfDave | startxwhite: Who provides you with your Internet connection? |
| 00:33.17 | frumious-0 | startxwhite: then ask yourself! |
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| 00:33.41 | WiFiTux_ | startxwhite: I can be your daddy. |
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| 00:33.44 | foo | gravity: Thanks |
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| 00:33.48 | gravity | fox__: No problem |
| 00:33.51 | gravity | Er... damn |
| 00:34.06 | startxwhite | a friend is giving access to his wireless via dhcp but he is a clueless as i am |
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| 00:34.29 | WiFiTux_ | startxwhite: you gotta explain us everything that you have. Everything. |
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| 00:34.34 | startxwhite | ok |
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| 00:34.42 | black_rain | welcome |
| 00:34.44 | black_rain | ;) |
| 00:34.47 | black_rain | hi |
| 00:34.52 | WiFiTux_ | ? |
| 00:35.08 | PerfDave | startxwhite: Well, then, you need to get a clue between you. I suggest reading the documentation on http://www.netfilter.org/ |
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| 00:35.45 | PerfDave | startxwhite: I reckon that your easiest option is to use your laptop to share the connection using SNAT. |
| 00:36.43 | startxwhite | how? |
| 00:36.56 | black_rain | Q: ibm thinkpad 600e & debian + nokia3200.How to connect them by irda? |
| 00:37.08 | startxwhite | i have a crossover cable |
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| 00:37.31 | frumious-0 | startxwhite: xover cable is just like two cables + a hub |
| 00:37.32 | quitte | black_rain: enable the irda port with the ps2 util in dos. |
| 00:37.41 | PerfDave | startxwhite: Connect the machines with a crossover cable, set up a network between them (not using an IP range that overlaps the wireless), set up the laptop to use SNAT. |
| 00:37.50 | quitte | black_rain: and as you dont use fir anyways - just use sir |
| 00:37.56 | startxwhite | do i have to install a dhcp server on my fedora laptop? |
| 00:38.00 | PerfDave | startxwhite: No |
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| 00:38.10 | black_rain | quitte: so I need a floppy drive? |
| 00:38.17 | PerfDave | startxwhite: You can use a static IP network for the two machines. |
| 00:38.32 | quitte | black_rain: yes. os you find another way to extract the dosutils |
| 00:38.43 | quitte | black_rain: is irda enabled already maybe? |
| 00:39.20 | black_rain | quitte: i don't think so...i read some FAQ and download everything... |
| 00:39.26 | quitte | black_rain: on my 600x i got it enabled by doing random stuff in the bios. but the dostools are great. hibernation and redisafe works like a charm |
| 00:39.29 | startxwhite | if the fedora laptop is 192.168.2.12 what ip can i give to the sarge desktop? |
| 00:39.45 | tracysun | hello,everyone |
| 00:39.45 | gravity | uh |
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| 00:39.50 | ericw | hello |
| 00:40.00 | black_rain | quitte: irda-utils obexserver openobex and so on... |
| 00:40.00 | PerfDave | startxwhite: No, you need to set up a seperate network between your laptop and desktop. |
| 00:40.11 | PerfDave | startxwhite: One that doesn't overlap with whatever network your laptop's wireless card is using. |
| 00:40.26 | ericw | if I have a machine running "stable" and it hasn't seen an "apt-get upgrade" for a year and half... |
| 00:40.34 | quitte | black_rain: enabling works with the linuxtools,too but it looses its state over reboot. so you need serial drivers as modules if you want to go that way of configuring serial ports |
| 00:40.37 | startxwhite | 192.168.2.12 was given to my fedora laptop by my friends wireless adsl router dhcp server |
| 00:40.40 | PerfDave | ericw: Then you've got massive security holes? ;) |
| 00:40.41 | ericw | any problems I might see by attempting that now ? :P |
| 00:40.49 | PerfDave | startxwhite: Forget about that IP address for now. |
| 00:40.57 | quitte | black_rain: how many ttyS where listed in dmesg? |
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| 00:41.16 | foo | CP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ for information. (Details - 1: IOR file '/tmp/gconfd-notix/lock/ior' not opened successfully, no gconfd located: Permission denied 2: IOR file '/tmp/gconfd-notix/lock/ior' not opened successfully, no gconfd located: Permission denied) |
| 00:41.21 | ericw | PerfDave, heh. Seriously, though, can I safely upgrade it? I know there were some problems with woody->sarge |
| 00:41.24 | foo | Any ideas? Weird problem |
| 00:41.34 | amphi | startxwhite: so make the laptop's wired iface 10.0.0.1 and the other box 10.0.0.2 |
| 00:41.36 | PerfDave | ericw: Read the Sarge release notes about upgrading from Woody to Sarge. |
| 00:41.43 | ericw | PerfDave, so it is safe now? |
| 00:41.50 | ericw | PerfDave, because I heard it really messed up a lot of people's systems |
| 00:41.59 | black_rain | quitte: and if I enable irda with PS2.exe it wont loose it again after reboot??? |
| 00:42.02 | PerfDave | ericw: AIUI the only reason that people had problems was because they didn't read the bloody release notes. |
| 00:42.08 | quitte | black_rain: exactly |
| 00:42.25 | PerfDave | ericw: Certainly I didn't experience any problems by following the instructions in the release notes :) |
| 00:42.26 | black_rain | quitte: i think i'll try if it'll work in dosbox :) |
| 00:42.29 | ericw | PerfDave, these are machines which haven't been rebooted in over 450 days -- they're fairly hardcore on stability. |
| 00:42.30 | quitte | and it allows you to create a hibernation file on a windows partition |
| 00:42.37 | quitte | black_rain: no, doesnt |
| 00:42.42 | PerfDave | ericw: Well, you will want to do a backup first anyway ;0 |
| 00:43.06 | PerfDave | ericw: But really, if you haven't done an apt-get update in 450 days... you've got big, kernel-level, probably remote, security holes all over those systems. |
| 00:43.34 | black_rain | quitte: after doing everything EXACTLY like it was in some FAQ I have : irattach: Stopping device /dev/ttyS1 |
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| 00:43.53 | quitte | black_rain: try ttyS0. |
| 00:44.01 | quitte | black_rain: irda is ttyS0 here |
| 00:44.09 | ericw | PerfDave, the kernel, I'm sure has some issues, but I've seen worse :) at least it is using grsec. |
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| 00:44.17 | black_rain | quitte: irattach: ioctl(SIOCGIFFLAGS): No such device (!!!!????) |
| 00:44.22 | quitte | but as you got both one of them most likely is irda |
| 00:44.25 | quitte | ?? |
| 00:44.27 | black_rain | quitte: irattach: exiting.... |
| 00:44.27 | quitte | hmm |
| 00:44.29 | PerfDave | ericw: Ah, so you can't even update your kernels from security.debian.org ;) |
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| 00:45.00 | nvz | does anyone know if I can run dosbox in a xterminal or on a console? it opens a new "dosbox" terminal normally. |
| 00:45.01 | ericw | PerfDave, hehe. I'm not concerned about the kernel, really. I'm more concerned about libc. |
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| 00:45.14 | black_rain | this is form /var/log/messages |
| 00:45.42 | ericw | as pretty much anything else is easily worked around / fixed. Remotely fixing a broken libc gets tricky :-) |
| 00:45.55 | Mxyzpltk | nvz: iirc dosbox is not a terminal, but a window that renders dos' shell using sdl... |
| 00:45.55 | PerfDave | ericw: You mean you don't have remote serial, or sash? ;p |
| 00:46.18 | nvz | Mxyzpltk: exactly |
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| 00:46.26 | ericw | sash ? |
| 00:46.32 | nvz | Mxyzpltk: I guess it cannot be used just on a terminal then |
| 00:46.35 | ericw | no remote serial, sadly. |
| 00:46.48 | black_rain | quitte: i've insmod irda,ircomm,irtty |
| 00:46.50 | PerfDave | ericw: apt-cache show sash |
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| 00:47.00 | Mxyzpltk | so, afaik, no you can't, nvz, I guess that if it's posible it'll be somewhere in it's man |
| 00:47.02 | PerfDave | ericw: You could always have a statically-compiled sshd and sash around ;) |
| 00:47.16 | black_rain | quitte: but still the same |
| 00:47.23 | ericw | PerfDave, oh.. statically linked shell |
| 00:47.28 | PerfDave | sash is very useful as root's shell, in case of serious fuckups. IIRC it's the default on FreeBSD. |
| 00:47.28 | quitte | black_rain: irtty-sir? |
| 00:47.39 | ericw | PerfDave, I have a statically linked busybox installed. |
| 00:47.47 | theintern | If i changed my monitor, what would be the easiest way to re-probe for it to change my settings (like it was done when configuring X & gnome) ? |
| 00:47.48 | black_rain | quitte: i think so |
| 00:47.53 | PerfDave | ericw: Now that seems redundant :) |
| 00:48.01 | startxwhite | when i tried to configure eth0 on the sarge desktop i got "resource temporarily unavailable" , what gives? do i have to replace the nic? |
| 00:48.13 | gravity | theintern: Install xresprobe and then do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:48.16 | PerfDave | startxwhite: How are you trying to configure it? What NIC is it? |
| 00:48.20 | gravity | theintern: Or xserver-xorg if you're running that |
| 00:48.32 | black_rain | quitte: and my floppy drive...is gooooone :) |
| 00:48.33 | ericw | PerfDave, thats right, busybox doesn't link to anything, does it ? :P |
| 00:48.43 | quitte | black_rain: i got it working by just dpkg-reconfigure irda-utils and changing the device. then checked if it works with irdadump |
| 00:49.02 | theintern | ah thanks gravity =) |
| 00:49.06 | quitte | black_rain: and doing random stuff in the bios |
| 00:49.08 | YaleR | nvz: hey can you give me a hand? do you have experience with blootbot? |
| 00:49.49 | black_rain | quitte: do you remember your irda-utils settings? |
| 00:50.03 | quitte | yes /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 00:50.11 | black_rain | quitte: in 600e i can't do much about irda in bios :( |
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| 00:50.29 | black_rain | quitte: enable IRDA on system startup??? |
| 00:50.31 | quitte | black_rain: same here. they have the same bios. i have a 600,too. |
| 00:50.37 | quitte | black_rain: yes |
| 00:50.55 | black_rain | i can only turn off quickboot |
| 00:51.00 | startxwhite | i did ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.2 up |
| 00:51.11 | quitte | black_rain: do the system check |
| 00:51.20 | ericw | PerfDave, makes me wish that Xen was more stable back when I setup these boxes... I would've coupled it with LVS and NAS and had some real redundancy. |
| 00:51.25 | black_rain | quitte: i made it already :D |
| 00:51.26 | PerfDave | startxwhite: What NIC is it? Is it recognised by the kernel? Does it show up in "ifconfig -a"? |
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| 00:51.27 | startxwhite | the nic is an intel pro 100 |
| 00:51.29 | sgn | Im having a problem here... I have to manually restart bind to get it to comply to the listen-on directive in named.conf-options... |
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| 00:51.54 | MegaByte | Hey guys |
| 00:51.56 | black_rain | quitte: discovery behavior? |
| 00:52.00 | quitte | black_rain: ok. i guess it is enabled then. at least you have two ttyS` |
| 00:52.06 | TwistedEmotions | anyone here played python2.3-poker2d before? |
| 00:52.13 | quitte | black_rain: scan for new devices |
| 00:52.23 | MegaByte | I want to build debian packages into slackware and I need debhelper |
| 00:52.26 | Cope | how do I change from editor-based debconf front end to the dialogue-based one? |
| 00:52.29 | black_rain | quitte: ???? |
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| 00:52.32 | startxwhite | ifconfig -a does show the nic's ip |
| 00:52.35 | MegaByte | (So I can convert them from a slackpack) |
| 00:52.39 | PerfDave | Cope: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 00:52.44 | MegaByte | How can I build debhelper into a slackpack? |
| 00:52.45 | PerfDave | startxwhite: Then it seems to be working... |
| 00:52.47 | startxwhite | lspci shows it too |
| 00:52.47 | quitte | black_rain: auto or whatever it is called |
| 00:52.55 | Cope | PerfDave: thanks |
| 00:52.57 | black_rain | quitte: ...ahhhh... |
| 00:53.03 | PerfDave | startxwhite: BTW, you shouldn't use ifconfig to set up interfaces - use /etc/network/interfaces and ifup / ifdown |
| 00:53.12 | frumious-0 | MegaByte: alien |
| 00:53.17 | PerfDave | startxwhite: lspci doesn't show whether the kernel recognises hardware. |
| 00:53.17 | black_rain | quitte: still about that weird "discovery behavior" ? |
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| 00:53.32 | quitte | black_rain: yes |
| 00:53.41 | harfooz | hi all. My firefox has stopped opening .pdf files with acroread. When I browse to a .pdf, I just get a blank "done" page. |
| 00:53.47 | MegaByte | frumious-0, alien complains exactly it doesn't have one of debhelper parts |
| 00:53.48 | black_rain | quitte: that one is good ;) ...serial or native ? |
| 00:53.53 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone? Python poker? |
| 00:53.55 | quitte | black_rain: erial |
| 00:53.59 | harfooz | What can I do to get acroread to open .pdf files when I'm in firefox? |
| 00:54.17 | black_rain | quitte: and whitch ttyS??? |
| 00:54.23 | black_rain | quitte: 0 or 1 |
| 00:54.25 | PerfDave | harfooz: Tell firefox to open PDFs in acroread? |
| 00:54.27 | quitte | 0. if that didnt work 1 |
| 00:54.29 | MegaByte | frumious-0, make: dh_testdir: Comando não encontrado |
| 00:54.40 | frumious-0 | MegaByte: so install what's missing. |
| 00:54.43 | harfooz | PerfDave, right. how do I do that? |
| 00:54.57 | black_rain | quitte: and last one.....dongle type... |
| 00:55.01 | PerfDave | harfooz: Uhm, you can do it when you try to open a PDF. Just tell it what application you want to use. |
| 00:55.09 | black_rain | quitte: i have no idea now.... |
| 00:55.12 | quitte | black_rain: none |
| 00:55.20 | quitte | or something like that tty-sir |
| 00:55.22 | harfooz | hmmm...let me try. brb |
| 00:55.36 | black_rain | quitte: hehe |
| 00:55.47 | MegaByte | frumious-0, debhelper is missing, and I want to know how do I build it into a slackpack |
| 00:55.50 | black_rain | now i have to do everything all over again |
| 00:55.53 | frumious-0 | MegaByte: wait, you are trying to build source debian packages on slackware? |
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| 00:56.01 | WiFiTux_ | lol |
| 00:56.03 | harfooz | PerfDave, not working. |
| 00:56.04 | quitte | black_rain: why? chose cancel? |
| 00:56.12 | black_rain | quitte: any idea how to check it now? |
| 00:56.14 | PerfDave | harfooz: What do you mean, "not working"? |
| 00:56.22 | black_rain | quitte: irdadump? |
| 00:56.23 | startxwhite | i did ifup eth0 and got the same error |
| 00:56.26 | harfooz | when I click on a .pdf while in firefox, nothing happens. |
| 00:56.29 | quitte | black_rain: irdadumpif it outputs stuff its good |
| 00:56.32 | quitte | black_rain: yes |
| 00:56.51 | PerfDave | startxwhite: It's not an error, it's a warning - the interface is still going up and still using the IP you assigned. |
| 00:57.11 | quitte | black_rain: you should see your own host now. and if you get the cellphone close maybe even that ;) |
| 00:57.24 | harfooz | no options to select. If I right-click and try opening it on another tab, I get a blank untitled page with "Done" in the status. but the file does not open. |
| 00:57.35 | harfooz | acroread does however work on locally stored .pdf files. |
| 00:57.50 | MegaByte | frumious-0, exactly |
| 00:57.57 | MegaByte | frumious-0, well |
| 00:57.57 | black_rain | quitte: 0 packets received by filter :( |
| 00:58.01 | startxwhite | shall i reboot? |
| 00:58.01 | MegaByte | not debian SOURCE |
| 00:58.07 | MegaByte | frumious-0, debian binaries |
| 00:58.12 | PerfDave | startxwhite: Why do you think that would help? |
| 00:58.20 | quitte | black_rain: try ttyS1 then |
| 00:58.23 | PerfDave | harfooz: What does it say in the "Downloads" tab in Preferences for PDF files? |
| 00:58.28 | black_rain | quitte: ok |
| 00:58.37 | frumious-0 | MegaByte: just unpack the .deb with "ar" then un tar things. That's the slackware way, right? |
| 00:58.44 | startxwhite | so what i can i do? |
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| 00:58.58 | keegan3747 | hi, I am trying to get my linux machine on a home wireless netowork. I have already done the ndiswrapper thing, my device is configured, but kwifi can't find any networks to connect to |
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| 00:59.04 | keegan3747 | it returns: Error : unrecognised wireless request "Mb/s" |
| 00:59.04 | keegan3747 | Determining IP information for wlan0... failed; no link present. Check cable? |
| 00:59.20 | PerfDave | startxwhite: Uhm, you've got your interface up on Debian, with the IP you specified. What's the problem? |
| 00:59.29 | MegaByte | frumious-0, no dude. I have a source tree, built the binaries, created a slackpack and I want to create a debian package from it. |
| 00:59.39 | MegaByte | frumious-0, So you debian users can enjoy it as well |
| 00:59.55 | harfooz | PerfDave, under File Types I have lines for Torrent and MPGA. I would have expected to see pdf's there too, though. |
| 00:59.59 | PerfDave | keegan3747: I understand that non-Linux supported cards which have to use Windows drivers and ndiswrapper can't do the "monitor" mode that you need to scan for networks. |
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| 01:00.16 | PerfDave | keegan3747: I suggest buying Linux-supported wifi hardware. |
| 01:00.43 | black_rain | quitte: wow! |
| 01:00.47 | PerfDave | harfooz: Can you give me a URL for a PDF you're having problems with? |
| 01:00.54 | black_rain | quitte: looks like it works.... |
| 01:00.55 | quitte | yay! |
| 01:00.58 | keegan3747 | perfdave, I can't it is in a notebook machine |
| 01:01.07 | harfooz | http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05806.pdf |
| 01:01.08 | PerfDave | keegan3747: Then buy a PCMCIA card ;) |
| 01:01.12 | hawkaloogie | i just read the FAQ, but didn't see the answer: Will just the first disk of the testing CD ISOs work like the first disk of Stable? (allow me to install Debian?) |
| 01:01.23 | black_rain | quitte: but on some REALY STRANGE dongle type...actl2000????? |
| 01:01.24 | quitte | black_rain: does your cellphone show the irda connected icon? |
| 01:01.38 | black_rain | quitte: not yet |
| 01:01.39 | quitte | black_rain: uhm thats weird. |
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| 01:02.00 | black_rain | quitte: i just have my irda0 interface in ifconfig |
| 01:02.01 | hawkaloogie | additional question: does that first disk include utilities for wireless PCI cards? |
| 01:02.02 | quitte | black_rain: try using minicom on /dev/ircomm0 |
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| 01:02.06 | PerfDave | harfooz: It's a pretty big PDF, it's not still downloading in the download manager? |
| 01:02.14 | MegaByte | frumious-0, though I can't convert the debhelper packages into a slackpack so I can keep track of them |
| 01:02.24 | frumious-0 | MegaByte: Ah. Unusual way to go about things. Maybe you need dpkg-dev packages built as well. |
| 01:02.26 | harfooz | PerfDave, no, the download manager did not even open. |
| 01:02.32 | black_rain | quitte: well it wont be so easy....i'm newbie ;) |
| 01:02.37 | PerfDave | harfooz: You wouldn't expect it to. Open it yourself. |
| 01:02.38 | quitte | black_rain: that dongletype _is_ wrong |
| 01:02.43 | frumious-0 | MegaByte: or install Debian in a chroot so you have the native environment. |
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| 01:03.19 | keegan3747 | perfdave, and wat would be a good one to use then? |
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| 01:03.23 | harfooz | PerfDave, but it was previously automatically opening acroread to display the file. |
| 01:03.29 | CHRiSNEW | hi |
| 01:03.34 | quitte | black_rain: if it doesnt show anythingin irdadump the way i told you you most likely need ps2.exe |
| 01:03.43 | PerfDave | keegan3747: One that's actually supported by Linux? |
| 01:03.49 | CHRiSNEW | i've got a problem with (i think) alsa on debian 3.1 |
| 01:03.51 | black_rain | quitte: but it WORKS!!!! |
| 01:03.55 | keegan3747 | perfdave, yes |
| 01:03.56 | emRick | How do I get "tex" working in Debian? (I did do a "apt-cache search tex" but I still can't figure out what package contains the tex executable.) |
| 01:04.01 | quitte | black_rain: ok |
| 01:04.10 | black_rain | quitte: it even recognize my phone type corectly! |
| 01:04.10 | jez | Does anyone have recommendations for an easy-to-install Linux HTTP proxy I can configure to surf anonymously with, and require authentication? |
| 01:04.17 | quitte | black_rain: great |
| 01:04.30 | PerfDave | jez: If you want to surf anonymously, you want to look at tor - http://tor.eff.rog/ |
| 01:04.34 | PerfDave | org even |
| 01:04.41 | black_rain | quitte: now...Debian IS weird |
| 01:04.53 | black_rain | quitte: but i still love apt-get ;) |
| 01:04.55 | quitte | black_rain: still the dongle type is wrong. keep that in mind in case it doesnt work after reboot |
| 01:04.55 | CHRiSNEW | debian is cool^_^ |
| 01:04.58 | PerfDave | harfooz: Hmm. Dunno then. I suggest asking Adobe about their commercial product :) |
| 01:05.08 | CHRiSNEW | it failed with the installation on a 130mb hdd :D |
| 01:05.10 | PerfDave | harfooz: You might try deleting your Firefox profile. |
| 01:05.44 | SerajewelKS | !tell me about test |
| 01:05.45 | harfooz | PerfDave, ok. Makes sense. i'll give it a try. Heck I'd switch the preferred application to evince if I could just get a dialog to make that choice. |
| 01:05.51 | keegan3747 | perfdave, are certain brands or chipsets supported moreso than others? |
| 01:05.57 | PerfDave | keegan3747: Yes. |
| 01:06.00 | harfooz | emRick, what is your question about .tex? i can help. |
| 01:06.03 | black_rain | quitte: maybe you'll have an idea how to accept files from the phone? |
| 01:06.18 | keegan3747 | perfdave, like what? |
| 01:06.20 | black_rain | quitte: photos exactly...jpg |
| 01:06.20 | SerajewelKS | anyone know if it's possible to get a /msg to trigger a new tab in xchat? it used to, but this "improvement" is getting a little annoying. |
| 01:06.32 | PerfDave | keegan3747: Dunno, I don't use wireless. http://www.tuxmobil.org/ may have some information. |
| 01:06.45 | quitte | black_rain: it was easy with the gnome bluetooth stuff |
| 01:06.46 | startxwhite | PerfDave: the sarge box is 10.0.0.2 and the fedora laptop is 10.0.0.1 but what should be the default gateway ip on the fedora laptop? |
| 01:07.08 | harfooz | emRick, apt-get install tetex-base tetex-bin tetex-extra tetex-doc |
| 01:07.18 | black_rain | quitte: no bluetooth in N3200 :( |
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| 01:07.22 | PerfDave | startxwhite: Uhm, I presume you've already got your default gateway set up for your wireless card. |
| 01:07.32 | startxwhite | yes |
| 01:07.34 | quitte | black_rain: try gnokii |
| 01:07.37 | black_rain | quitte: hmmmm....gnokii? |
| 01:07.48 | black_rain | quitte: or obex-ftp |
| 01:07.57 | PerfDave | startxwhite: You don't know what a default gateway is, do you? Did you try reading the documentation at http://www.netfilter.org/ like I suggested? |
| 01:07.58 | startxwhite | it is 192.168.2.1 |
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| 01:08.24 | black_rain | hehehehe....127.0.0.1 best WAREZ in web :) |
| 01:08.26 | quitte | black_rain: try gnokii.obexftp isnte xactly for newbies |
| 01:08.37 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 01:08.38 | PerfDave | obexftp from the command line is a piece of piss. |
| 01:08.43 | Coag | Illustrated? |
| 01:08.57 | WiFiTux_ | I want it in ASCII |
| 01:08.58 | TwistedEmotions | Swimsuite eddition? |
| 01:09.02 | TwistedEmotions | *edition? |
| 01:09.14 | SerajewelKS | !tell me about test |
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| 01:09.22 | SerajewelKS | nvm, got it |
| 01:09.23 | TwistedEmotions | !test |
| 01:09.24 | dpkg | Sorry, twistedemotions, I didn't get your test. |
| 01:09.26 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 01:09.33 | SerajewelKS | you'd think it would be in "options"... it's not |
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| 01:10.07 | Mxyzpltk | PerfDave: very good book, and yes, some should read it, it might be way too much for others, but if they don't even read the begginers doc at netfilter you can't expect much |
| 01:10.09 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know of a way to play freaking poker? |
| 01:10.15 | Coag | SerajewelKS, howd your qemu go? |
| 01:10.55 | PerfDave | Mxyzpltk: Yeah, well, it's still a useful book, and can teach you a lot. |
| 01:11.00 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: sit down with some people and a deck of cards and start shuffling |
| 01:11.19 | Coag | TwistedEmotions, im up for a game |
| 01:11.24 | TwistedEmotions | Gnea: Weeeee ;) I mean online.. |
| 01:11.25 | Coag | :p |
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| 01:11.34 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: hrm good question.. yahoo games? :) |
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| 01:11.38 | TwistedEmotions | Dammit... I miss pokerstars ;P |
| 01:11.52 | TwistedEmotions | yahoo doesnt have no limit ;P |
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| 01:12.02 | Mxyzpltk | PerfDave: yes, for anyone interested in netdamin or sysadmin, all three volumes are a must read |
| 01:12.03 | Gnea | limit? |
| 01:12.18 | TwistedEmotions | Gnea: limit sucks ;P |
| 01:12.27 | emRick | TwistedEmotions: what is pokerstars? |
| 01:12.36 | PerfDave | Mxyzpltk: I always thought that volume 3 was a bit redundant myself ;) |
| 01:12.44 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: sorry, i've nver played the yahoo games version, nor any other online version for that matter :) |
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| 01:13.02 | TwistedEmotions | emRick: gambling site.. www.pokerstars.com |
| 01:13.05 | DjKritical | Does anyone know an easier way to setup x windows other than xf86setup? |
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| 01:13.16 | PerfDave | DjKritical: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 01:13.17 | TwistedEmotions | emRick: good site.. ;P but windows program. |
| 01:13.29 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
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| 01:13.48 | black_rain | DjKritical: run Knoppix and copy /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 01:13.59 | TwistedEmotions | someone ban dondelelcaro ;P |
| 01:14.07 | Coag | if i could op myself i would |
| 01:14.10 | Coag | sorry =( |
| 01:14.11 | Gnea | go ban yourself:) |
| 01:14.11 | Mxyzpltk | PerfDave: yes and no, it makes one hell of a handbook to have next to you, even more if you develope any app that uses any tcp/ip networking |
| 01:14.14 | TwistedEmotions | hahah |
| 01:14.14 | jim | dondelelcaro: is that creep still using ravenbird to harrass graycat? |
| 01:14.16 | CHRiSNEW | how do i start my microphone? |
| 01:14.19 | dondelelcaro | jim: hopefully not |
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| 01:14.30 | PerfDave | Mxyzpltk: I dunno, we have APIs for that sort of thing ;) |
| 01:14.35 | Mahdi | is nvidia-glx working with x.org yet? |
| 01:14.41 | dondelelcaro | jim: but we'll find out; SimonRaven is around now, so he can figure out what is going on if it starts up again |
| 01:14.50 | Gnea | Mahdi: yes. |
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| 01:15.29 | Gnea | Mahdi: i got it working perfectly on my new laptop a couple days ago |
| 01:15.32 | Mxyzpltk | PerfDave: sure, but it's like giving a iptable's frontend to someone who doesn't know how it works, it'll get it working, but no clue on what they did... IMHO |
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| 01:16.02 | Mahdi | Gnea, good =D what is running over it? Gnome? |
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| 01:16.20 | PerfDave | Mxyzpltk: I personally feel that vol. 1 is all you need for a fundemental understanding of the majority of IP networking. Most of the stuff that's not in there is stuff like routing protocols and IPv6 which postdates the entire trilogy. |
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| 01:16.35 | Mxyzpltk | PerfDave: yes, that is true |
| 01:16.47 | Gnea | Mahdi: enlightenment |
| 01:17.05 | PerfDave | Mxyzpltk: Actually, I'd like to find a book as good as vol. 1 but covering more recent routing protocols and IPv6 :) |
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| 01:17.11 | Gnea | Mahdi: gnome and kde have their place - not on any of my desktops :) |
| 01:17.21 | emRick | harfooz: tnx |
| 01:17.21 | Mahdi | Gnea, lol =D |
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| 01:17.26 | Gathond | Gnea: hehe |
| 01:17.40 | bluefox83 | where the heck does a usb device get mounted in /dev/ ? |
| 01:17.43 | Mahdi | Gnea, is it running gcc4.0? |
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| 01:17.51 | Gnea | bluefox83: depends on the device |
| 01:18.01 | bluefox83 | lets say..a flash card |
| 01:18.02 | YaleR | can anyone tell me which blootbot.chans to edit? I have quite a few |
| 01:18.05 | resiak | bluefox83: It doesn't get _mounted_ in /dev/. Run dmesg to see what device name it gets. |
| 01:18.07 | Mxyzpltk | PerfDave: cisco press have some good ones, and no, they are not cisco specific, they cover theory in a good way, I'm sure there are others just as good |
| 01:18.10 | Gnea | Mahdi: i'm sticking with 3.4 for now until i get a dev box setup |
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| 01:18.26 | Mahdi | Gnea, k. Tkz :) |
| 01:18.32 | Gnea | np |
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| 01:21.17 | startxwhite | PerfDave: there is a lot of docs so many a newbie like does not knw which is the relavant one for the task i want to achieve |
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| 01:21.54 | Mxyzpltk | startxwhite: that's why netfilter.org has a begginers doc, and more others once you understand that |
| 01:22.07 | amphi | startxwhite: you want to look at masquerading |
| 01:22.12 | PerfDave | startxwhite: I'd start with http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//networking-concepts-HOWTO.html :) |
| 01:22.35 | PerfDave | startxwhite: That should tell you everything you need to know to realise what gateway you need to set on your infra-machine, two-node LAN |
| 01:22.40 | Mxyzpltk | that's the one |
| 01:22.45 | startxwhite | that i read already! |
| 01:23.04 | pipeline | startxwhite: http://cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk648/tsd_technology_support_category_home.html |
| 01:23.04 | PerfDave | startxwhite: So you should know what gateway you need, right? |
| 01:23.07 | amphi | infra-machine? |
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| 01:24.13 | startxwhite | i do not need a gateway for the 2 boxes |
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| 01:24.58 | Mxyzpltk | one of them must be the gateway for the other, if one already has connection to the internet |
| 01:25.00 | PerfDave | startxwhite: Well done, have bonus points. |
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| 01:25.33 | startxwhite | ok. so what can i do now? |
| 01:25.36 | PerfDave | startxwhite: Not until you set up SNAT anyway - then the gateway for the Debian box is the FC4 laptop. But the FC4 laptop's wired interface doesn't need a gateway, since it's using the wired interface for its Internet connection. |
| 01:25.39 | mischko | I deleted my ppp and related packages (apt-get remove) but dpkg --get-selections shows "install" next to them, not "deinstall". Why is that? |
| 01:25.42 | PerfDave | startxwhite: Can you ping one from the other? |
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| 01:25.52 | SimonRaven | @wb |
| 01:25.52 | ravenbird | thanks, simonraven. It's good to be back. |
| 01:26.11 | dvs | @go away |
| 01:26.40 | mischko | never mind. it worked. Now how do I get those to actually go away or do I need to worry about that? |
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| 01:29.16 | jim | mischko: it wants to install them but hasn't as yet been told to? |
| 01:29.20 | ravenbird | I was here first, you go away, dvs |
| 01:29.39 | mischko | jim, they were installed and I did apt-get remove on 'em. |
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| 01:29.43 | jim | ravenbird: were not :P |
| 01:29.44 | ravenbird | jim: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 01:30.02 | epsilon | what's first rotated file of logrotate called, always .0 or can be .1? |
| 01:30.08 | frumious-0 | ravenbird sounds like nvz |
| 01:30.09 | ravenbird | frumious-0: I give up, what is it? |
| 01:30.43 | startxwhite | no |
| 01:30.45 | startxwhite | i can not ping sarge from fedora and viceversa, what gives? |
| 01:30.57 | startxwhite | i can not ping sarge from fedora and viceversa, what gives? |
| 01:31.03 | PerfDave | startxwhite: You've got both interfaces set up with the right IPs and netmasks, and the cable between them? |
| 01:31.10 | SimonRaven | @tell startxwhite -about repeat |
| 01:31.13 | frumious-0 | I take it back, nvz is slightly more coherent. |
| 01:31.43 | Quinn_Storm | hey, if anyone was following my earlier trials & tribulations I figure I'll let you know...I eventually went with SAMBA b/c all the other networked-filesystem solutions I tried either didn't work at all, or in the case of NFS, barely worked and managed to crash my ethernet card somehow o_O |
| 01:31.51 | mischko | jim, how do I tell them to actually go away? |
| 01:32.19 | emRick | is there a way to find out if (and where) app XYZ is on my KDE menus? |
| 01:32.36 | sward | epsilon: It depends how it's configured |
| 01:33.02 | jim | mischko: you dont' want to keep the config files? |
| 01:33.07 | mischko | no |
| 01:33.12 | startxwhite | PerfDave: the sarge box is 10.0.0.2 and the fedora laptop is 10.0.0.1 and both have the netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 01:33.21 | jim | ok, dpkg --help and see how to purge. |
| 01:33.28 | mischko | ok |
| 01:33.34 | mischko | thanks! |
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| 01:33.43 | jim | also, notice the other cool things dpkg can do |
| 01:33.59 | vladuz976 | anybody know how to change the default applictions like for mail? |
| 01:34.07 | mischko | jim, I've been learning as I go. I 'grew up' on redhat. |
| 01:34.28 | Mxyzpltk | startxwhite: go to pastebin.com and paste the output of "ifconfig -a" and "route -n" of both machines |
| 01:35.22 | black_rain | quitte: I've made it!!!!!!!! |
| 01:35.29 | dvs | !beer black_rain |
| 01:35.48 | black_rain | :)))))))))) |
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| 01:36.03 | black_rain | apt-get did it again ;) |
| 01:36.07 | quitte | couldnt have said it better |
| 01:36.09 | Quinn_Storm | however now cvs is complaining b/c it can't change the mode on files...maybe there's a way to turn that off |
| 01:36.31 | black_rain | quitte: many thanks for help! |
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| 01:36.36 | PerfDave | Mxyzpltk, startxwhite: or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ :) |
| 01:37.05 | quitte | black_rain: np. |
| 01:37.13 | black_rain | quitte: it's 3:34 am in Poland and I wanted to do it _really_BAD |
| 01:37.40 | black_rain | quitte: ircp - little proggy for receiving and sending files ;) |
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| 01:38.09 | epsilon | sward: configured where? |
| 01:38.45 | black_rain | Funny Fact: Do you know that SanDisk Cruiser (MMC/SD card reader) is supported by OpenOBEX protocol via USB ??? |
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| 01:38.50 | quitte | black_rain: same here in .de |
| 01:39.01 | sward | epsilon: /etc/logrotate.conf man logrotate |
| 01:39.38 | sward | epsilon: I'm not sure, but I think it defaults to name.log -> name.log.1 |
| 01:39.45 | quitte | black_rain: no.that sucks. |
| 01:39.57 | black_rain | quitte: why? |
| 01:39.58 | YaleR | n/dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 01:40.02 | YaleR | er |
| 01:40.04 | YaleR | oops. |
| 01:40.07 | black_rain | quitte: i use it a lot ;) |
| 01:40.08 | quitte | black_rain: disks should be mountable |
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| 01:40.28 | black_rain | quitte: and it IS mountable! |
| 01:40.34 | quitte | ok then |
| 01:40.36 | PerfDave | startxwhite: You might also want to look into mii-tool (in the net-tools package) to see what it tells you about the physical connection between the two machines. |
| 01:41.16 | dondelelcaro | Downloaded 91.1MB in 30s (2994kB/s). gotta love calren2 |
| 01:41.41 | black_rain | quitte: when i apt-get remove obextools dmesg told me that it can't use USB device ;) |
| 01:42.13 | black_rain | Debian is a mystery ;) |
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| 01:42.41 | GentooHel | hi |
| 01:42.47 | servus | That's nothing. I did an apt-get install kdevelop and it uninstalled Apache. |
| 01:42.58 | black_rain | lol |
| 01:43.01 | black_rain | :) |
| 01:43.09 | black_rain | nice one brother ;P |
| 01:43.13 | GentooHel | i need help with kppp i got all my ISP info set and when i go to connect it says intiziling modem and does nothing |
| 01:43.50 | black_rain | GentooHel is it ISDN USB modem? |
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| 01:44.02 | GentooHel | no its a 56k modem no usb either |
| 01:44.28 | streuner | internal? |
| 01:44.32 | GentooHel | yes it is |
| 01:44.34 | Mxyzpltk | do you have the right serial port? and if it's a winmodem, do you have the correct drivers loaded? |
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| 01:44.59 | GentooHel | no thats probley the problem the drivers i dont have one it came with the computer and it was windws 98 |
| 01:45.11 | GentooHel | i dont know where i would get them either |
| 01:45.19 | streuner | GentooHel: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 01:45.23 | GentooHel | i fgured it would set something itself |
| 01:45.57 | GentooHel | i cant check right now since im on a windows xp comp the other comp is at a friends |
| 01:46.05 | buu | I'm trying to convince plucker to install itself on my palm pilot (zire21). I do basically: PILOTPORT=/dev/tty/USB0, hit hotsync on the pilot and then run plucker-setup. It says "connecting to /dev/ttyUSB0, please hit hotsync now". But I've already hit hotsync and nothing happens after that. |
| 01:46.22 | ericw | GentooHel, http://www.freecycle.org/ -- find an external modem |
| 01:46.25 | black_rain | goodnite kids...be nice for yourself! :) and GOD! brush you teeth in the morning before you'll meet someone ;) |
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| 01:46.59 | black_rain | ;) |
| 01:47.01 | black_rain | nice |
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| 01:47.03 | buu | Also note I've also tried /dev/ttyUSB1 with no change. |
| 01:47.05 | ericw | GentooHel, what country are you in? |
| 01:47.06 | Mxyzpltk | buu: your PILOTPORT var has an extra / |
| 01:47.07 | foo | Hmm, where is the grub list file at where I can change the partitions and what not? |
| 01:47.11 | black_rain | bye |
| 01:47.17 | GentooHel | i would need a external modem then im guessing? |
| 01:47.30 | buu | Mxyzpltk: Er, typo. |
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| 01:47.42 | streuner | !winmodem |
| 01:47.42 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org, or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html. See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
| 01:47.47 | ericw | GentooHel, some internals work, some don't. safest and easiest bet is external |
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| 01:48.13 | GentooHel | hmm alright thanks |
| 01:48.13 | dieeasy | I just recompiled my kernel (2.6.13-rc6) and found a module for TPM... can someone tell me what's going on? (ref. http://www.prosec.rub.de/tpm/) Sems like the dance of DRM has started? |
| 01:48.21 | ericw | for those that don't work, I mean winmodems.. I wouldn't dare try a linux driver for one .. but some do exist |
| 01:48.34 | buu | Er, it almost worked |
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| 01:49.14 | streuner | GentooHel: laptop? |
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| 01:50.57 | alistair | why do i get OSS Device "dev/dsp" is already in use by other progrma when it clearly isnt. |
| 01:51.09 | zinx | because it clearly is |
| 01:51.13 | dvs | alistair: your desktop sound system |
| 01:51.21 | alistair | non in my taskbar |
| 01:51.24 | PerfDave | alistair: use "lsof /dev/dsp" |
| 01:51.33 | zinx | your taskbar doesn't show all programs, or even nearly all programs |
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| 01:51.41 | SimonRaven | www.vinganza.org - "flying spaghetti monsterism" |
| 01:51.43 | alistair | yeah truw |
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| 01:52.07 | Mxyzpltk | alindeman: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 01:52.18 | buu | hahahaha |
| 01:52.21 | Mxyzpltk | he, beat me on that |
| 01:52.26 | acid-trip | ok i have an extra hard drive installed but when i did my base conf i didnt' tell the installer to use it or not |
| 01:52.27 | buu | sussudio is spamming #perl with stupid shit about #debian |
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| 01:52.46 | acid-trip | does debian have a disk editort? |
| 01:52.48 | acid-trip | er |
| 01:52.52 | acid-trip | *editpr |
| 01:52.57 | mfrisch | lde |
| 01:52.59 | alistair | gentoothreefour, whats gentoo like, im thinking about it =^^= |
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| 01:53.16 | stew | sippeter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster |
| 01:53.16 | zinx | acid-trip: if your typing skills are any indication, i don't think you want to be using a disk editor ;) |
| 01:53.22 | stew | err SimonRaven ^^^ |
| 01:53.31 | acid-trip | zinx thats what you get for being hyper lol |
| 01:53.55 | gentoothreefour | its good |
| 01:53.57 | gentoothreefour | i have it on my laptop |
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| 01:53.59 | gentoothreefour | and its 64bit |
| 01:54.01 | gentoothreefour | ;p |
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| 01:54.54 | alistair | OSS Device "/dev/dsp is already in use by another program, oh god this is hilarious |
| 01:54.55 | quitte | your ip is 0.0.198.211 |
| 01:55.01 | quitte | sorry wrong chan |
| 01:55.06 | Supaplex | pffft |
| 01:55.06 | SimonRaven | what's with the gentoobie trolls? |
| 01:55.28 | dvs | SimonRaven: entertainment |
| 01:55.36 | startxwhite | http://channels.debian.net/paste/542 |
| 01:55.38 | Mxyzpltk | alindeman: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 01:55.44 | SimonRaven | for us, or them? ;) |
| 01:55.45 | Mxyzpltk | I mean, alistair |
| 01:55.50 | dvs | us |
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| 01:55.59 | zinx | alistair: do you actually want help, or are you just going to keep telling us stuff sucks because you don't understand some basic thing? |
| 01:56.06 | alistair | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev |
| 01:56.06 | alistair | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.06 | alistair | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 01:56.06 | alistair | esd 30227 alistair 5w CHR 14,3 14233 /dev/dsp0 |
| 01:56.06 | alistair | alistair@debian:~$ |
| 01:56.07 | *** kick/#debian [alistair!n=debhelp@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood) |
| 01:56.19 | SimonRaven | to show how dumb some of them are? |
| 01:56.20 | acid-trip | ok who can help me |
| 01:56.42 | SimonRaven | ok, can you ask a real question? |
| 01:56.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell acid-trip -about ask |
| 01:56.57 | mfrisch | acid-trip vim kate gedit openoffice |
| 01:57.01 | startxwhite | on the sarge box i ran mii-tool and got No MII transreceiver present |
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| 01:57.14 | TraceGreen | Hello, i want to add a boot splash to my system, apt-cache search bootspalsh, but don't find any. |
| 01:57.14 | PerfDave | startxwhite: OK, it looks like you have no entry for lo in /etc/network/interfaces which is seriously wrong. There should be one at boot. |
| 01:57.17 | Mxyzpltk | startxwhite: your ethernet card is down in your sarge box |
| 01:57.34 | acid-trip | i want to know about debians disk editor so my second hard drive shows up on my df -h |
| 01:57.34 | resiak | TraceGreen: bootsplash.de, have a nice day. |
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| 01:58.02 | dvs | acid-trip: I think you want "fdisk -l" |
| 01:58.15 | SimonRaven | acid-trip: that has nothing to do with a disk editor, but /etc/fstab |
| 01:58.27 | paster | "PerfDave" at 82.69.130.94 pasted "Loopback interface config for /etc/network/interfaces for startxwhite" (3 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/543 |
| 01:58.28 | startxwhite | PerfDave: there IS one but i did not include it as i can hardly type. it is 3 in the morning in the uk |
| 01:58.30 | acid-trip | SimonRaven i have /dev/hdd in my fstab |
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| 01:58.33 | TraceGreen | resiak, thx!! let me check it first, shall i compile my kernel in order to get splash work? or i just use debian kernel? |
| 01:58.38 | PerfDave | startxwhite: I know it's 3 in the morning in the UK. |
| 01:58.38 | acid-trip | but it wont show up on my df -h |
| 01:58.41 | dvs | acid-trip: /dev/hdd is not a partition |
| 01:58.42 | emRick | SimonRaven: I can't find www.vinganza.org |
| 01:58.51 | SerajewelKS | WTF? kqemu compiles, and the compile process warns me that "init_module" doesn't exist. but nm on the .ko file says it does?! |
| 01:58.54 | resiak | TraceGreen: You'll need to build your own. There are instructions on bootsplash.de. |
| 01:58.59 | PerfDave | startxwhite: Look, if you're that tired, go to bed and get some sleep. Otherwise, you'll just make mistakes. |
| 01:59.09 | TraceGreen | resiak, thx!! |
| 01:59.12 | SimonRaven | emRick: venganza.org |
| 01:59.21 | resiak | TraceGreen: OMG 0 PORBLM!!!!1 |
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| 01:59.51 | startxwhite | PerfDave: i have to have the 2 pcs sharin internet before noon |
| 01:59.58 | acid-trip | ok how do i format the partition |
| 02:00.07 | dvs | acid-trip: which partition? |
| 02:00.11 | zoid | how can i block an ip from accessing my box? someone keeps trying to ssh into my box as a ton of different/random users. |
| 02:00.15 | aaronlin | I would like to start a web server, but I have really have no clue where to begin. Right now, I am connected onto a network, but I never set it up; I have cable. I also know that I have a firewall enabled, but I can't find how to allow others to connect to the web server. I installed apache, but I don't know where to begin, and a graphical frontend would be really helpful. |
| 02:00.20 | SimonRaven | acid-trip: you don't format things. stop thinking windows |
| 02:00.25 | Mxyzpltk | startxwhite: your eth0 in sarge is down!} |
| 02:00.35 | acid-trip | dvs well the whole drive hdd so it reads as a proper ext3 |
| 02:00.47 | tracysun | i connect my pc to lite5200 board via serial port, how to operate the serial port on debian |
| 02:00.48 | PerfDave | startxwhite: Why do you "have" to? |
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| 02:01.09 | dvs | acid-trip: Try "fdisk -l /dev/hdd" |
| 02:01.13 | startxwhite | because the laptop is going to be somewhere else |
| 02:01.20 | PerfDave | startxwhite: The point is that if you can't provide people with the information they need to help you troubleshoot, then we can't help you fix your problems. |
| 02:01.20 | *** part/#debian CabEspiral (i=fabian@200-70-126-190.mrse.com.ar) |
| 02:01.24 | SimonRaven | acid-trip: doesn't work that way. you create parttions, then create an fs on the partitions (or swap space) |
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| 02:01.37 | jim | aaronlin: first, you can install your choice of web servers.... aolserver, apache, boa, cern httpd, etc... latter two are quite old tho' |
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| 02:01.45 | PerfDave | startxwhite: So? If the laptop is somewhere else then you won't have Internet access from the desktop anyway. |
| 02:01.46 | startxwhite | PerfDave: what extra info do you need? |
| 02:01.47 | TraceGreen | resiak, what do you mean of "OMG 0 PORBLM!!!!1"? |
| 02:01.52 | resiak | SimonRaven: Well, you _could_ mkfs on /dev/hdd ;) |
| 02:01.55 | acid-trip | dvs that just listed it |
| 02:01.59 | streuner | hm |
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| 02:02.04 | resiak | TraceGreen: No problem, but in ironic 1337 style. |
| 02:02.18 | TraceGreen | resiak, :-) |
| 02:02.22 | dvs | acid-trip: What did it say exactly? |
| 02:02.24 | SimonRaven | sure, but not usually. and not on hard drives |
| 02:02.29 | PerfDave | startxwhite: The full output of "ifconfig -a" on the Sarge box |
| 02:02.33 | acid-trip | Disk /dev/hdd: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes |
| 02:02.40 | mfrisch | TraceGreen there are sources for boot on apt-get.org |
| 02:02.41 | aaronlin | jim: I installed apache, and it is up and running. If I view http://127.0.0.1, I see my own webpage. However, others cannot get in, almost certainly because of a firewall I enabled when I first installed Debian.. |
| 02:02.53 | TraceGreen | resiak, i just find many patch on that site, but no instructions |
| 02:02.58 | acid-trip | and it lists my hda1 and hda2 |
| 02:03.03 | acid-trip | my home and my swap |
| 02:03.13 | TraceGreen | resiak, i have added them to soure.lst and update it now |
| 02:03.18 | __Rob | is there any reason why other channels are getting spam about #debian and its users? |
| 02:03.18 | servus | aaronlin: Make sure to check your router's NAT settings, of course :) |
| 02:03.21 | Mxyzpltk | PerfDave: can you please tell him that his eth0 is down, he seems to be only listening to you... I had enough for the day, will finish my beer in peace and go home... |
| 02:03.29 | Mxyzpltk | read you all later |
| 02:03.32 | dvs | acid-trip: Are you sure it's hda1, hda2? |
| 02:03.41 | jim | well normally web servers are sensitive to the name of the site... you can defeat this if you do not have a domain name... so... got a domain name? |
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| 02:03.57 | resiak | TraceGreen: 16-June-2004 has the kernel options you need. Are you comfortable with rolling your own kernel? |
| 02:03.59 | acid-trip | for my native and swap yeah |
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| 02:04.09 | acid-trip | my other drive is listed as /dev/hdd |
| 02:04.12 | aaronlin | servus: how would I do this? |
| 02:04.17 | LesleyB | nite nite |
| 02:04.33 | servus | aaronlin: Depends on your router. Most all consumer routers can be logged in to from a web browser, and configured from there. Go investigate :) |
| 02:04.34 | TraceGreen | resiak, i am using kernel 2.6.11, i don't know exactly how shall i do. |
| 02:04.34 | aaronlin | The whole purpose of starting this webserver was basically to learn more about how the internet works. |
| 02:04.39 | dvs | acid-trip: I don't think there are any partitions on /dev/hdd |
| 02:04.56 | aaronlin | jim: can't others simply type in my IP address? |
| 02:05.01 | acid-trip | dvs how do i make the partition then? |
| 02:05.09 | dvs | acid-trip: fdisk /dev/hdd |
| 02:05.16 | TraceGreen | resiak, So, i just need install bootsplash first through apt-get install and then compile my kernel with patch you told me? right? |
| 02:05.17 | *** part/#debian WiFiTux_ (n=abonilla@200.91.94.134) |
| 02:05.28 | servus | aaronlin: If you have a home router, you almost certainly have NAT enabled, which acts as a firewall. |
| 02:05.36 | jim | if you do it that way, you will have to defeat apache's sensitivity to its domain name... |
| 02:05.40 | aaronlin | I see. |
| 02:06.04 | aaronlin | jim: Domain names need to be registered, right? I was just doing this for fun (i.e., for free :o) ) |
| 02:06.21 | mikew- | i'm having trouble installing some things via apt-get. I've tracked it down to the fact that the package I'm installing requires lib<whatever> but I dont have a lib<whatever> in my cache. (even after a apt-get update) I have a lib<whatever>c2 anyone have this problem? |
| 02:06.21 | resiak | TraceGreen: You need to install the bootsplash packages, patch your kernel, configure it correctly, build it, install a bootsplash package, add the bootsplash images to your initrd (this is/should be automagic, and can be accomplished through dpkg-reconfigure bootsplash), then boot. |
| 02:06.22 | servus | So you have to set up what most routers call port forwarding, to route external requests to port 80 (or whatever) to port 80 on the internal address of your server. Also, your ISP may block port 80 as well. Lots of fun variables. |
| 02:06.25 | acid-trip | this should be intersting |
| 02:06.25 | acid-trip | lol |
| 02:06.30 | jim | yes, you'd have to buy a name |
| 02:06.30 | servus | aaronlin: You do not need a domain name. |
| 02:06.39 | resiak | mikew-: You're using unstable, and haven't been reading d-d-a. |
| 02:06.50 | jim | but you can say ServerName 12.34.55.66 |
| 02:07.10 | mikew- | resiak: d-d-a debian-dist-announce or soemthing? |
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| 02:07.12 | jim | which would force apache to use that domain |
| 02:07.14 | acid-trip | dvs do i want it as a linux extended? |
| 02:07.19 | resiak | !tell mikew- -about dda |
| 02:07.21 | PerfDave | startxwhite: Anyway, as you say, it's 3am here in the UK, and I need to go to bed. Hopefully someone else can help you with your problem. |
| 02:07.21 | jim | "domain name" |
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| 02:07.23 | dvs | acid-trip: Yes |
| 02:07.31 | resiak | !tell mikew- -about dda |
| 02:07.35 | resiak | Grrrrr |
| 02:07.42 | resiak | !tell mikew- -about d-d-a |
| 02:07.51 | *** part/#debian roger (n=roger@Ha5e9.h.pppool.de) |
| 02:07.59 | aaronlin | jim: I guess my domain name is just my IP address? |
| 02:08.38 | aaronlin | 69.169.39.118 |
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| 02:08.50 | mikew- | resiak: thanks - i'm on debian-mentor (which is very loud) - I'll start reading d-d-a thanks - the answer should be archived I imagine |
| 02:09.08 | jim | aaronlin: yeah |
| 02:09.09 | acid-trip | brb |
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| 02:09.13 | paster | "startxwhite" at 82.43.171.125 pasted "SARGE request" (29 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/544 |
| 02:09.23 | net-ops | I have to limit internet connectivity on a per user basis, not per computer. The user accounts are on a win2k PDC. I would love to use a debian server as a means of solving this problem, if possible. The problem is that I'm not sure where or how to start looking for the solution to this problem. In general, I would like some advice on what method I might try to implement a solution. |
| 02:09.31 | aaronlin | can you connect to it? |
| 02:09.33 | aaronlin | I sure can't. |
| 02:09.43 | resiak | mikew-: The answer is that a C++ ABI change is in progress, and deps are missing as a result, and the solution is to wait or to help out. You are a Sid user, and so should be expecting breakage, and be willing to help fix it. |
| 02:10.11 | aaronlin | is there a way I can look for my router? |
| 02:10.23 | jim | mikew-: debian-mentors is for if you want to learn to make debian packages out of arbitrary sources |
| 02:10.34 | mfrisch | aaronlin traceroute |
| 02:10.55 | jim | ok, I'm quiznoing! |
| 02:11.01 | mikew- | jim: I do - I would love to help the conversion with C++ ABI - but not sure of the details, is there a place I can go to get caught up and contribute? |
| 02:11.14 | paster | "ChrisWhite" at 68.98.18.98 pasted ">>>> Hello. My name is sussudio from #debian. I like to suck cocks, and compile my gentoo system with -O9999 . I am such a fucking ricer! Please join #debian a" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/545 |
| 02:11.19 | startxwhite | PerfDave: is that ok? |
| 02:12.00 | paster | "ChrisWhite" at 68.98.18.98 pasted "NIGGERS ARE COOL NIGGERS ARE COOL THAT IS WHY I WANT TO BE LIKE ABROTMAN LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/547 |
| 02:12.07 | streuner | !ops |
| 02:12.08 | dpkg | Please invoke '! ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 02:12.13 | Mxyzpltk | startxwhite: your eth0 is down!! |
| 02:12.20 | streuner | !ops we getting spam... |
| 02:12.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: we getting spam... |
| 02:12.27 | *** join/#debian belracu (n=getram@61-31-22-29.static.tfn.net.tw) |
| 02:12.44 | startxwhite | Mxyzpltk: so how can overcome that problem? |
| 02:12.45 | paster | "lilo" at 68.98.18.98 pasted "LOREZ LIKES COCKS AND NIGGERS NIGGERS ARE COOL NIGGERS ARE COOL THAT IS WHY I WANT TO BE LIKE ABROTMAN LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/548 |
| 02:12.50 | aaronlin | mfrisch: I typed traceroute 69.169.39.118 |
| 02:12.52 | aaronlin | it timed out |
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| 02:13.00 | sippeter | Hah |
| 02:13.02 | sippeter | He said |
| 02:13.04 | sippeter | "Niggers" |
| 02:13.05 | sippeter | Hehe |
| 02:13.07 | sippeter | :X |
| 02:13.08 | streuner | mentor: can you hel? |
| 02:13.13 | streuner | mentor: can you help? |
| 02:13.13 | Mxyzpltk | startxwhite: I thought you read the howto's, anyway "ifconfig eth0 up" will bring it up and keep the config |
| 02:13.14 | mfrisch | aaronlin traceroute to google. |
| 02:13.17 | aaronlin | ok |
| 02:13.31 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 02:13.32 | paster | "mwilson" at 68.98.18.98 pasted "mentor and LOREZ LIKES COCKS AND NIGGERS NIGGERS ARE COOL NIGGERS ARE COOL THAT IS WHY I WANT TO BE LIKE ABROTMAN LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/549 |
| 02:13.45 | streuner | mentor: +q paster |
| 02:13.45 | *** mode/#debian [+o gravity] by ChanServ |
| 02:13.46 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@rzlab.ucr.edu] by gravity |
| 02:13.46 | *** mode/#debian [-o gravity] by gravity |
| 02:13.47 | Mxyzpltk | startxwhite: that should enable you to ping from one to another... |
| 02:13.48 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@rzlab.ucr.edu] by debhelper |
| 02:13.52 | mentor | bah. |
| 02:13.54 | aaronlin | mfrisch: I think it is timing out again. It stops after 192.168.0.1 |
| 02:13.56 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 02:13.56 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
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| 02:13.59 | gravity | Yay, my first one |
| 02:14.01 | paster | "mwilson" at 68.98.18.98 pasted "mentor and LOREZ LIKES COCKS AND NIGGERS NIGGERS ARE COOL NIGGERS ARE COOL THAT IS WHY I WANT TO BE LIKE ABROTMAN LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/550 |
| 02:14.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 768] by debhelper |
| 02:14.02 | mentor | up. |
| 02:14.04 | mentor | hmmm. |
| 02:14.08 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@68.98.18.98] by bob2 |
| 02:14.09 | streuner | mentor: +q paster |
| 02:14.11 | SimonRaven | whoah, you an op gravity ? neat |
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| 02:14.38 | mentor | no. we need to set paster to ignore that IP. |
| 02:14.41 | mentor | I forget how. |
| 02:14.42 | paster | "bob2_sucks" at 68.98.18.98 pasted "phated and LOREZ LIKES COCKS AND NIGGERS NIGGERS ARE COOL NIGGERS ARE COOL THAT IS WHY I WANT TO BE LIKE ABROTMAN LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/551 |
| 02:14.43 | aaronlin | Is 192.168.0.1 my router? |
| 02:14.47 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 02:14.48 | mentor | dondelelcaro: |
| 02:14.56 | *** mode/#debian [+b %paster!*@*] by bob2 |
| 02:15.00 | *** part/#debian __Rob (n=rob@cpc4-farn2-5-0-cust139.glfd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 02:15.03 | SimonRaven | aaronlin: depends |
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| 02:15.16 | Mxyzpltk | looks like somebody needs to read it's spam about penis enlargements and pray they work... |
| 02:15.36 | startxwhite | ifconfig eth0 up gives me the error : SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 02:15.40 | SimonRaven | looks like the kind of person that *sends* out spam... |
| 02:15.53 | startxwhite | Mxyzpltk: so how can overcome that now? |
| 02:16.08 | Mxyzpltk | there's something very wrong with your nic or your nic's driver |
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| 02:16.24 | streuner | SimonRaven: someone said not only here... |
| 02:16.36 | SimonRaven | yes, in #perl |
| 02:16.40 | sippeter | eth0 sucks |
| 02:16.41 | Mxyzpltk | irq conflict or buggy driver or bad nic, startxwhite |
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| 02:16.56 | *** part/#debian belracu (n=getram@61-31-22-29.static.tfn.net.tw) |
| 02:17.06 | streuner | <__Rob> is there any reason why other channels are getting spam about #debian and its users? |
| 02:18.14 | Mxyzpltk | startxwhite: must go now, good luck with your problems |
| 02:18.19 | SimonRaven | ah another one. *sigh* |
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| 02:18.53 | net-ops | anyone willing to point me in the right direction? |
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| 02:19.19 | startxwhite | Mxyzpltk, PerfDave: during the installation of sarge setting up networking failed |
| 02:19.23 | SimonRaven | because there's an idiot that doesn't like the channel for some probably stupid reason... like got told to rtfm or wanted a handholding and people refused to after telling them all the info they could think of... |
| 02:19.27 | aaronlin | yeah, something's happening at 192.168.0.1 |
| 02:19.28 | maher | net-ops: i don't know how you do that - if you make an ip connection from a machine it doesn't have the user info |
| 02:19.33 | SimonRaven | net-ops: up is ^ |
| 02:19.36 | startxwhite | i think the nic is duff |
| 02:19.40 | aaronlin | is there another way I can do webhosting outside of my own computer |
| 02:19.52 | maher | net-ops: you will have to do monitoring at the local machine os level |
| 02:20.05 | SimonRaven | aaronlin: do ti on a box next to yours? =) |
| 02:20.09 | aaronlin | but still get practice with apache? |
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| 02:20.33 | startxwhite | what do you think PerfDave? |
| 02:20.41 | maher | aaronlin: do you want to make a website? there are lots of people who will rent you webspace - your isp probably gave yousome for free |
| 02:21.04 | SerajewelKS | is there a more-or-less standard "Debian Way" to build a kernel module that's not in a debian source package? |
| 02:21.11 | maher | aaronlin: you can also rent a uml / xen virtual server for not much |
| 02:21.27 | dvs | !tell SerajewelKS -about kp |
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| 02:21.43 | dieeasy | perÃē se lancioil pang mi va |
| 02:21.46 | SerajewelKS | dvs, kernel MODULE |
| 02:21.56 | stew | SerajewelKS: /msg dpkg m-a |
| 02:21.59 | dieeasy | sorry, posted in the wrong place |
| 02:22.16 | aaronlin | what is dhcp? |
| 02:22.26 | stew | aaronlin: /msg dpkg dhcp |
| 02:22.27 | aaronlin | Is that dynamic or static or neither? |
| 02:22.52 | Pryon | 3 guesses as to what the d in dhcp stands for |
| 02:22.52 | aaronlin | hmm...confusing |
| 02:23.01 | dvs | duh? |
| 02:23.05 | aaronlin | So I have cable...but my internet address is constantly changing? |
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| 02:23.21 | aaronlin | do people give out free linux accounts online? |
| 02:23.31 | bob2 | www.freeshell.org does |
| 02:23.36 | bob2 | assuming you're doing something useful |
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| 02:23.40 | Pryon | aaronlin: your IP address changes when your current lease expires and the server offers a new address. |
| 02:23.42 | SerajewelKS | stew, does module-assistant work with modules built from non-debian source packages? |
| 02:23.46 | aaronlin | I don't want to do something like geocities... |
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| 02:23.59 | evilbulgarian | hi, im trying to patch kernel with reiser4 and there are 2 patches under reiser4-for-2.6/2.6.12/ one is reiser-4-for-2.6.12-3.patch.gz one is reiser4-for-2.6.12-realtime-preempt-2.6.12-final-V0.7.51-29.patch.gz which one should i use? |
| 02:23.59 | Pryon | Generally, a DHCP client will ask for the old addr. The server is not obligated to comply. |
| 02:23.59 | aaronlin | Pryon: I see. |
| 02:24.02 | stew | SerajewelKS: no |
| 02:24.15 | SerajewelKS | stew, then read my question again |
| 02:24.19 | net-ops | aaronlin: if you just want to be able to set up web space for others, you can use this awesome account I use. Check it out at http://imhosted.com/gold_plans.shtml ... Starting at US $30 a month, you can host unlimited domains until you run out of drive space (7 GB) and 200 GB xfer a month. |
| 02:24.33 | startxwhite | Mxyzpltk, PerfDave: i am going to be now. i am too tired. thanks |
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| 02:24.49 | startxwhite | goin to bed. bye |
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| 02:25.32 | aaronlin | what is a shell account? |
| 02:25.40 | stew | SerajewelKS: the answer is no |
| 02:26.05 | Gnea | aaronlin: see google.com |
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| 02:26.23 | stew | SerajewelKS: or the answer is either patch and /msg dpkg kp, or debianize the module source and use m-a |
| 02:26.25 | hawkaloogie | does netinstall work with wireless PCI cards? |
| 02:26.36 | stew | hawkaloogie: depends on the chipset |
| 02:26.45 | hawkaloogie | Netgear WG311T |
| 02:27.21 | stew | hawkaloogie: you will need to build a custom kenrel for support for that card |
| 02:27.24 | stew | hawkaloogie: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 02:27.44 | SerajewelKS | stew, okay well.. i have this module that's compiling fine.. but during compilation it warns that "init_module" isn't present. however, using 'nm' on the .ko file says that it IS present. but the kernel still gives me "invalid module format" when i try to insmod. |
| 02:27.46 | hawkaloogie | thanks |
| 02:28.29 | Pryon | SerajewelKS: doesn nm say that the (unresolved) name is present, or that the code is present? |
| 02:28.54 | net-ops | can someone point me to a windows chat area that is good like this one is for debian? |
| 02:28.58 | SerajewelKS | Pryon, 000004b0 T init_module |
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| 02:29.48 | ibic | hola |
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| 02:30.18 | SerajewelKS | net-ops, that would further the advance of Windows, and we can't have that... |
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| 02:31.11 | net-ops | SerajewelKS> good point... but i need to find a solution to my problem somehow... the computer lab that I manage was donated by microsoft, so i'm stuck with it. :( |
| 02:31.45 | SerajewelKS | net-ops, #win32 might be able to help |
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| 02:31.54 | stew | net-ops: /msg chanserv list *win* |
| 02:32.20 | SerajewelKS | wtf |
| 02:32.25 | maher | [OT] anyone have a sharp mm10/20 - what sort of battery life do you get? |
| 02:32.27 | SerajewelKS | Pryon, all of a sudden it works! |
| 02:32.28 | GentooHel | does anyone know if wine works for window drivers? |
| 02:32.38 | SerajewelKS | chalk one up for /dev/urandom |
| 02:32.54 | net-ops | I work at a large homeless shelter... the director has instructed the IT peeps to disconnect the computers from the internet, except for a few computers. I don't want to do this, so I would like to come up with a solution somehow. |
| 02:33.38 | maher | net-ops: why can't homeless people use the net? |
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| 02:34.06 | Pryon | heisenbug |
| 02:34.16 | net-ops | uuhhh |
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| 02:34.32 | SerajewelKS | maher, because they can't afford wifi cards |
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| 02:35.23 | net-ops | because we have rules limiting use because specific people were looking at porn sites and sending emails back and forth to eachother (meaning men and women) and they aren't supposed to |
| 02:35.28 | net-ops | NO FRATERNIZING |
| 02:36.00 | SerajewelKS | okay, i think i've found a serious bug with the kernel-source packages |
| 02:36.06 | SerajewelKS | but i want to confirm it |
| 02:36.30 | SerajewelKS | the 'new method' for building modules involves calling a makefile from the source packages |
| 02:36.35 | SerajewelKS | excuse me... kernel-headers |
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| 02:36.50 | SerajewelKS | these files assume that the compiler is 'gcc' |
| 02:37.04 | SerajewelKS | but since the gcc versions need to match, shouldn't they have, say, 'gcc-3.3'? |
| 02:37.05 | Guerin | how is that a bad assumption? |
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| 02:37.16 | SerajewelKS | for example, my /usr/bin/gcc points to gcc-4.0 |
| 02:37.20 | mischko | hmmm. 'su - user' doesn't work. I'm root so I should be able to su to anyone. It fails silently. Brand new sarge install. |
| 02:37.24 | net-ops | you can check out the shelter at http://www.dallaslife.org |
| 02:37.25 | SerajewelKS | i had to alter the symlink just to build a module |
| 02:37.43 | Guerin | you can set an environment variable to use a different compiler |
| 02:37.52 | Pryon | mischko: are you sure the user you're suing to has a shell other than, say, /bin/false? |
| 02:37.57 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, i can't see anywhere that the makefile uses that |
| 02:37.58 | Guerin | mischko: which user? |
| 02:38.07 | SerajewelKS | "that" meaning an environment variable |
| 02:38.14 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.3 |
| 02:38.17 | Guerin | for instance |
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| 02:38.26 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, isn't CC set from inside the makefile though? |
| 02:38.27 | mischko | Pryon, you're right. |
| 02:38.34 | mischko | duh. |
| 02:38.38 | maher | net-ops: you could try and install some general porn filter - stopping sending email is hard, and seems unreasonable |
| 02:38.46 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, (not trying to fight.. trying to understand) |
| 02:39.32 | net-ops | well... i was thinking about using a white list of sites... maybe... we are using filterlogix on windows 2003 ISA server for filtering |
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| 02:39.48 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: I'm not sure about the makefiles you're on about - i just use make-kpkg |
| 02:39.49 | Gnea | net-ops: #windows perhaps? |
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| 02:40.07 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, does make-kpkg make module packages? |
| 02:40.36 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, the makefile that this module uses is '/lib/modules/2.6.11-1-686/build/Makefile' |
| 02:40.37 | Gnea | net-ops: www.tldp.org has a list of howtos as well |
| 02:40.42 | net-ops | gnea: i'm trying to find a good excuse to put a debian server on the net |
| 02:40.42 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, which appears to hardcode CC=gcc |
| 02:41.15 | Gnea | net-ops: oh that's easy: because it's faster, more stable and can do more than any puny microsoft |
| 02:41.41 | SerajewelKS | net-ops, Gnea speaks the truth =) |
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| 02:42.11 | Gnea | we wouldn't be phasing out a windows 2003 server for debian if it wasn't ;) |
| 02:42.20 | net-ops | yeah... i'm a hardcore debian fan... but no one else at my work knows what linux is. |
| 02:42.31 | Gnea | gotta show 'em |
| 02:42.35 | mlalkaka | about how long does it take for packages in the unstable distribution to migrate to the testing distribution? how long does the package have to exist without bugs? |
| 02:42.39 | Gnea | i'm in the process of teaching now too |
| 02:42.40 | Gnea | it's fun |
| 02:42.48 | SerajewelKS | net-ops, say "WE'RE GOING TO USE DEBIAN" and they'll like you after you get more uptime out of the server |
| 02:42.59 | SerajewelKS | mlalkaka, 10 days |
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| 02:43.13 | SerajewelKS | mlalkaka, but a package won't be migrated until all of its dependencies are migrated as well |
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| 02:43.52 | SerajewelKS | mlalkaka, which means that if A, B, and C depend on Z, and Z has an outstanding bug, neither A, B, nor C will make it until Z's bug is cleared and 10 days elapse |
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| 02:44.12 | SerajewelKS | brb poop |
| 02:44.23 | net-ops | lol |
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| 02:44.45 | stew | mlalkaka: 10 days for a new package 5 days for an update iirc |
| 02:45.10 | Guerin | mlalkaka: all that barring serious bugs, which will block it |
| 02:45.15 | mlalkaka | SerajewelKS, ok. i noticed that a lot of packages (mostly the devhelp-book-* packages) have become obsolete on my testing distro. but according to debian.org website those packages exist in both the stable and unstable branch. |
| 02:45.16 | stew | mlalkaka: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl |
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| 02:45.53 | unixfool_ | Does anyone know a site with an activeX popup that asks to install Gator or some other annoying software? (I want to test something) |
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| 02:47.45 | Guerin | unixfool_: just try smurfing around sleazy porn sites for a while |
| 02:47.45 | f1shhead | heh |
| 02:47.50 | f1shhead | I always hated debian |
| 02:47.52 | f1shhead | and kinda still do |
| 02:47.53 | mischko | anyone familiar with getting postgresql going on debian? I have a brand new install and I can't run createuser or createdb. |
| 02:47.58 | f1shhead | but since it's th eonly thing that will run on this laptop |
| 02:48.06 | unixfool_ | Guerin, I tried! Its hard!! ;) |
| 02:48.27 | Guerin | unixfool_: heh, maybe the web has changed a bit in the past 10 years |
| 02:48.30 | maher | mischko: read the stuff in /usr/share/doc/postgresql |
| 02:48.34 | mischko | k |
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| 02:48.44 | Guerin | unixfool_: oh, i have one. http://kbstar.com -> interner banking |
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| 02:48.58 | nvz | f1shhead: 486 laptop? |
| 02:49.06 | Guerin | unixfool_: needs a client-side evilware app before you even get a login prompt |
| 02:49.09 | SimonRaven | intarweb "banking" |
| 02:49.13 | f1shhead | p133 16mb ram |
| 02:49.22 | f1shhead | using damn small linux which is based off debian |
| 02:49.31 | nvz | f1shhead: I see. |
| 02:49.38 | Guerin | because debian is so hateable |
| 02:49.39 | SimonRaven | yes, and? |
| 02:49.45 | nvz | f1shhead: looked to see if you can upgrade the ram? |
| 02:49.54 | f1shhead | haven't decided if it's worth it yet |
| 02:49.58 | f1shhead | the laptop has "issues" |
| 02:50.07 | nvz | f1shhead: what sort of issues? |
| 02:50.15 | SimonRaven | this is a lappy? |
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| 02:50.23 | Guerin | f1shhead: why not run gentoo? with all the optimisations it should have you playing tuxracer in no time |
| 02:50.25 | f1shhead | if it wasn't a laptop |
| 02:50.27 | f1shhead | i would toss the pos |
| 02:50.37 | nvz | I got one here I got to somehow fix the power adapter. I am thinking of soldering the coord perminatly into it or something |
| 02:50.40 | SimonRaven | hahaha |
| 02:50.52 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, it's ppracer now IIRC |
| 02:50.57 | f1shhead | nvz |
| 02:50.58 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 02:50.59 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: oh, my bad |
| 02:51.04 | f1shhead | tell me what the problem is exactely |
| 02:51.10 | f1shhead | I do some electronics work |
| 02:51.29 | SerajewelKS | why are toothbrush packages so fscking hard to open |
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| 02:51.54 | nvz | SimonRaven: your bot was being used to troll greycat and #debian earlier. |
| 02:52.02 | SimonRaven | because they want you to be desperate when you finally get it open ;p |
| 02:52.08 | sentinel | hmm |
| 02:52.08 | SimonRaven | i know :( |
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| 02:52.38 | nvz | is greyson like a spawn of greycat? wouldnt that be greykitten? |
| 02:52.51 | torusr_ | . |
| 02:52.56 | net-ops | I have an 800 MHz Pentium III 1U rackmount server with 1 GB PC133 and (2) 18 GB ultra160 drives that I want to use for something cool on the network. All the other machines are windows XP or win2k, etc. with a win2k PDC. Any suggestions? |
| 02:52.57 | SerajewelKS | O_o |
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| 02:53.23 | SerajewelKS | brb brush teeth (finally got the package open...) |
| 02:53.48 | Gnea | net-ops: install debian - samba will play nicely on that |
| 02:54.42 | nvz | net-ops: is this for home or what? are there other people on the network? |
| 02:55.27 | net-ops | nvz: yes, it's at work (homeless shelter) the residents use the network and the staff. 500+ users |
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| 02:56.17 | nvz | no idea |
| 02:56.32 | nvz | wtf do homeless people need a server for? |
| 02:56.34 | Gnea | nvz: he's gonna need at LEAST the firewall as a debian box otherwise it's gonna get owned in a heartbeat |
| 02:56.43 | sentinel | hmm, for some reason apt-get is throwing up errors when trying to do apt-get install webmin.. all sorts of garble like /etc/webmin/webmin.acl: No such file or directory.. eventually exiting with E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 02:56.48 | sentinel | anyone know how I could sort that out? |
| 02:57.01 | eidolon | aieeeee! anyone updated 'sarge', and noted that Firefox is now segfaulting? |
| 02:57.05 | Guerin | a p3-800 with a gig of ram and scsi drives is not something you should use as a firewall |
| 02:57.11 | eidolon | open a few tabs, hit ^W, and BOOM. no more firefox. |
| 02:57.12 | f1shhead | check your messages |
| 02:57.15 | SimonRaven | @lart nvz |
| 02:57.21 | Gnea | nvz: apparantly, there are people out there that want to pull themselves out of the gutters of life |
| 02:57.35 | SimonRaven | yeh, really. |
| 02:57.35 | Guerin | nvz: spoken like a true yinzer |
| 02:57.48 | SimonRaven | FFS, that was fucking insensitive |
| 02:57.50 | sentinel | hmm, for some reason apt-get is throwing up errors when trying to do apt-get install |
| 02:57.54 | sentinel | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.57 | sentinel | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.00 | sentinel | anyone know how I could sort that out? |
| 02:58.05 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: consider yourself blessed |
| 02:58.09 | Guerin | sentinel: ^^^ |
| 02:58.23 | nvz | its like my uncle once told his son. dont worry about buying electric guitar petals and shit pay the electric bill and the rent, that electric guitar dont work to well out in the cold |
| 02:58.24 | Gnea | SimonRaven: not really, i pulled myself out of the gutters at one point - not everyone's been there, and good for them |
| 02:58.36 | maher | SimonRaven: what did you use your server for while you were homeless? :) |
| 02:58.48 | SimonRaven | i didn't have one, duh |
| 02:58.58 | Gnea | !troll f1shhead |
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| 02:59.10 | f1shhead | gnea no you idoit I am trying to find out where he lives |
| 02:59.16 | f1shhead | we apprentely live in the same place |
| 02:59.18 | eidolon | okay, nothing in FAQ, nothign elsewher.e anyone else seen this problem in the latest security updates for firefox 1.0.4? |
| 02:59.20 | f1shhead | it's nice to meet local linux users |
| 02:59.20 | nvz | yeah well half the people in this city are homeless what do they need a server for? |
| 02:59.21 | Gnea | oh |
| 02:59.26 | f1shhead | YOU STUPID CANUCK |
| 02:59.28 | Gnea | ok, that's cool :) |
| 02:59.30 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 02:59.37 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:59.38 | Gnea | i'm an american you clueless wank :) |
| 02:59.47 | f1shhead | I know |
| 02:59.49 | f1shhead | I was insulting you |
| 02:59.50 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 02:59.54 | f1shhead | :P |
| 02:59.56 | Guerin | that's not an insult |
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| 02:59.58 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:00.00 | f1shhead | yes it is |
| 03:00.04 | Gnea | no it's not |
| 03:00.04 | f1shhead | haven't you heard william shatner sing |
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| 03:00.11 | f1shhead | that was the worst canadian act of terrorism ever |
| 03:00.14 | Guerin | no. USians think it is, but it ain't |
| 03:00.16 | Gnea | i used to live on the canadian border |
| 03:00.39 | GoatRoby | I'm reading debian installation manual, it says i need to know my monitor horizontal and vertical refresh rates, do this still apply to an lcd monitor? |
| 03:00.40 | secher | Is there something I'm missing? Are there indeed no kernel headers for the 2.6.9 k7 kernel? |
| 03:00.43 | Gnea | william shatner made his time with star trek, that time is over |
| 03:00.56 | f1shhead | so guys |
| 03:01.00 | f1shhead | when using dpkg |
| 03:01.06 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 03:01.08 | Gnea | unless they do more star trek, but they killed him off |
| 03:01.16 | f1shhead | Iit tried to upgrade a package and it didn't like something was already installed |
| 03:01.18 | maher | GoatRoby: no |
| 03:01.21 | f1shhead | damn I been away from linux too many yrs |
| 03:01.23 | f1shhead | I am senile |
| 03:01.23 | *** mode/#debian [-b %paster!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:01.30 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:01.34 | Gnea | f1shhead: what's it complaining about? |
| 03:01.44 | f1shhead | conflict of a binary from existing package |
| 03:01.51 | f1shhead | I think it's a cpio |
| 03:01.59 | f1shhead | lemme check hang on |
| 03:02.04 | streuner | dondelelcaro: debhelper removed the ban earlier |
| 03:02.12 | Pryon | sentinel: I'm having no problems opening tabs with wild abandon and hitting ^w at will. |
| 03:02.18 | streuner | dondelelcaro: +b |
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| 03:02.41 | streuner | dondelelcaro: Is that a new feature of debhelper? ;-) |
| 03:02.46 | bob2 | I set a +q on it |
| 03:02.55 | bob2 | debhelper randomly goes nuts and removes +bs, yes |
| 03:02.57 | sentinel | Pryon: is that message supposed to be for someone else? |
| 03:03.02 | dondelelcaro | streuner: it won't let a ban stand against itself |
| 03:03.04 | Pryon | eep! |
| 03:03.17 | dondelelcaro | (since that would be bad) |
| 03:03.21 | streuner | dondelelcaro: haha - clever |
| 03:03.22 | Pryon | eidolon: Read my last message misdirected to sentinel :/ |
| 03:03.36 | foo | Anyone got a debian .config around for a 2.6.11.1 kernel by any chance? |
| 03:03.39 | foo | Anyone got a debian .config around for a 2.6.11.1 kernel by any chance? |
| 03:03.43 | foo | oops, sorry for repeat |
| 03:03.47 | jim | foofoo! |
| 03:03.48 | hacim | foo: you are going to need to make your own kernel |
| 03:03.57 | foo | jim: hello |
| 03:03.58 | hacim | foo: based on the hardware that you have on your system |
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| 03:04.06 | Gnea | foo: it comes with the image package |
| 03:04.07 | jim | get the one for 2.6.11 |
| 03:04.10 | eidolon | pryon: i'm crashing like crazy. extension update just crashed too. reports on #firefox of crashes as well. |
| 03:04.33 | nvz | eidolon: just curious what version? |
| 03:04.33 | foo | I don't have sid, I have sarge, and I don't think there is 2.6.11.1 for that .. |
| 03:04.34 | jim | then you can build one for that or later ones |
| 03:04.39 | foo | Gnea: Hello, you look familiar |
| 03:04.46 | Guerin | foo: install the package from etch |
| 03:04.49 | eidolon | 'mozilla-firefox' under sarge. which is 1.0.4-debian2 i believe is the full signature. |
| 03:04.52 | Gnea | foo: that's what she said |
| 03:04.52 | secher | Is there something I'm missing? Are there indeed no kernel headers for the 2.6.9 k7 kernel? |
| 03:05.01 | jim | you could just install the package (I did, and it worked mostly) |
| 03:05.11 | Guerin | secher: not any more, since 2.6.9 is no longer distributed by debian |
| 03:05.16 | Guerin | jim: mostly? |
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| 03:05.21 | richardk | hello |
| 03:05.22 | nvz | eidolon: oh? its crashing for you? on i386? |
| 03:05.23 | SpinX | this question I have.. no one can answer, not even steam. I'm running debian and the half life server for 1.6. It seems to freeze and doesn't want to load. Everythings set up fine, Even works on a slackware box.. but not my debian. |
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| 03:05.29 | streuner | secher: apt-cache search wouldn't tell you anything? |
| 03:05.30 | jim | I think usb wasn' |
| 03:05.32 | GoatRoby | maher: thanks, if any configuration of X asks for refresh rate values, what should I enter? |
| 03:05.35 | eidolon | nvz: vigorously. |
| 03:05.35 | f1shhead | weird |
| 03:05.36 | eidolon | segfaulting. |
| 03:05.36 | foo | Guerin: Hmm, yeah, just add etch sources .. how can I find out what those sources are? |
| 03:05.41 | jim | t supported right or something little like that |
| 03:05.42 | f1shhead | now it seems to be working |
| 03:05.43 | eidolon | dbs@hunter:~$ firefox |
| 03:05.44 | eidolon | *** loading the extensions datasource |
| 03:05.44 | eidolon | Segmentation fault |
| 03:05.46 | eidolon | that's on a ^W on a tab. |
| 03:05.47 | *** kick/#debian [eidolon!n=debhelp@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood) |
| 03:05.50 | jim | I rebooted into soemthing earlier and it worked |
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| 03:05.54 | nvz | eidolon: the update for it I have heard crashes.. but I am using that version and it works well for me. |
| 03:05.55 | maher | GoatRoby: when you get to the monitor config bit select simple and it won't ask you |
| 03:06.09 | eidolon | nvz: i'm running nothing that is non-debian-package based. |
| 03:06.13 | Guerin | foo: don't add etch sources unless you really want to go to etch. Just grab the image off p.d.o and install it manually |
| 03:06.16 | GoatRoby | maher: thanks |
| 03:06.23 | richardk | would anybody know what the repositories for multiverse stuff on synaptic for kubuntu is |
| 03:06.24 | foo | Guerin: Oh, ok. p.d.o. ? |
| 03:06.26 | drusscol | is there a shell/CLI command to wait until the user presses enter or otherwise seek input before continuing? |
| 03:06.30 | nvz | eidolon: tried moving your settings dir or whatever? may be an extension you installed crashing it. |
| 03:06.39 | eidolon | possibly i suppose. |
| 03:06.49 | bob2 | richardk: you appear to be in the wrong channel |
| 03:06.59 | richardk | ubuntu kicked me out |
| 03:07.04 | richardk | of that channel |
| 03:07.05 | f1shhead | bah I give up |
| 03:07.05 | bob2 | yes, for being a moron |
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| 03:07.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 03:07.09 | f1shhead | it's too damn slow to fight with |
| 03:07.12 | gravity | Ha! |
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| 03:07.21 | f1shhead | I will just build a custom system on another machine and tar it over |
| 03:07.23 | f1shhead | thx anyways |
| 03:07.24 | nvz | eidolon: there is reported to be a newer update for sarge firefox it is said to crash on new tab I heard. |
| 03:08.00 | nvz | eidolon: but that version 1.4.0-2 is what I have and I use several extensions daily with lots of tabs and it works fine. |
| 03:08.04 | eidolon | yah, i just restarted firefox (using -p) and selected an 'empty' profile. (no extensions or nothing), and it is NOT crashing. |
| 03:08.12 | eidolon | i'm beginning to suspect a problem in one of my extensions. |
| 03:08.43 | eidolon | ii mozilla-firefo 1.0.4-2sarge2 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla |
| 03:08.45 | Guerin | eidolon: shock, horror |
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| 03:08.59 | streuner | bob2: as long as they pay - morons are ok? |
| 03:08.59 | Guerin | eidolon: move your .mozilla/firefox dir |
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| 03:09.01 | eidolon | Guerin: yeah, as a matter of fact, it is shock and horror. t his is 'debian stable'. it's not supposed to crash regularly. |
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| 03:09.18 | Guerin | eidolon: it's firefox. |
| 03:09.18 | nvz | eidolon: PEBKAC |
| 03:09.22 | maher | eidolon: maybe some random binary extension you downloaded off the internet is crashing |
| 03:09.34 | Guerin | eidolon: are you using debian-packaged extensions? |
| 03:09.41 | eidolon | Guerin: are you going to actually provide useful information, or are you just going to be snarky? |
| 03:09.41 | bob2 | streuner: yes, that's what I said |
| 03:09.48 | Guerin | eidolon: i did already. |
| 03:10.07 | jlmb | Is there a tool for multiple unattended tape backups? |
| 03:10.08 | eidolon | no, extensions afaik have all come from the mozilla blessed download sites.. |
| 03:10.16 | eidolon | (update.mozilla.org I believe) |
| 03:10.29 | Guerin | eidolon: right, so that would be debian's fault, right? |
| 03:10.33 | Guerin | right? |
| 03:10.44 | maher | eidolon: well maybe they are broken anyway - strace it and see what's actually breaking |
| 03:10.46 | nvz | jlmb: you mean to regularly backup via multiple tape drives? |
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| 03:10.52 | eidolon | yes, in fact it would. because this was fine before my update. |
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| 03:10.59 | ambrose | jlmb, not sure if bacula does that |
| 03:11.18 | eidolon | maybe not totally, but answering "It's firefox" as a catchall for why it's crashing is really unhelpful. |
| 03:11.24 | SerajewelKS | eidolon, well it is |
| 03:11.36 | SerajewelKS | eidolon, the extension might not like the newer version of firefox. it's not our fault. |
| 03:11.49 | Guerin | eidolon: debian's firefox packages in stable are tested and supposed to work with firefox extensions packaged by debian - which a number are - but not random shit you download off the internet |
| 03:11.58 | Guerin | come on, this isn't rocket science |
| 03:11.59 | jlmb | nvz: I mean, i have to backup up 40gig, i have 20gig tapes. |
| 03:12.09 | jlmb | ambrose, checking bacula... |
| 03:12.12 | nvz | I do believe I narrowed it down to the problem not being with the program 6 minutes ago ... |
| 03:12.27 | eidolon | i don't download 'random shit'. i download signed mozilla packages from the official mozilla distribution site. |
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| 03:12.41 | SerajewelKS | eidolon, then it's mozilla's fault |
| 03:12.56 | SerajewelKS | eidolon, or the extension author's.. which is the most probable |
| 03:13.08 | maher | eidolon: instead of arguing why don't you use strace to identify what's breaking |
| 03:13.09 | Guerin | eidolon: they're all contributed packages. I don't believe they recieve a great deal of testing beyond "api works" |
| 03:13.32 | eidolon | stracing. |
| 03:13.43 | Guerin | i find nothing but trouble with most firefox extension packages, official and otherwise - i just keep the two I really need and hope. |
| 03:14.22 | SerajewelKS | firefox extension packages are like windows programs. they look nifty, but cause windows to crash. |
| 03:14.31 | eidolon | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 03:14.31 | eidolon | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.56 | SerajewelKS | eidolon, try uninstalling the extension and reinstalling it |
| 03:15.10 | eidolon | i need to figure out which extension it is, alas. |
| 03:15.14 | eidolon | i have several. |
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| 03:15.49 | maher | eidolon: if you can't tell from strace what's going on compile debug enabled builds and run valgrind / gdb / whatever on them |
| 03:15.49 | Guerin | eidolon: that should leave no more than three :) |
| 03:15.49 | richardk | i was asking a question to you bob |
| 03:15.51 | eidolon | Guerin: probably :) |
| 03:15.56 | richardk | and you kicked me off |
| 03:16.03 | eidolon | one moment. uninstalling. |
| 03:16.06 | Guerin | richardk: his name is bob2 |
| 03:16.17 | lakcaj | eidolon, I know myself and at least one other person are experiences crashes with the latest version of firefox in sarge |
| 03:16.17 | richardk | oh excuse me |
| 03:16.21 | richardk | bob2 |
| 03:16.28 | Guerin | his name is bob2 bobson .... his name is bob2 bobson ... |
| 03:16.37 | richardk | do what |
| 03:16.43 | lakcaj | eidolon, I downgraded to mozilla-firefox_1.0.4-2sarge1_i386.deb and haven't had any issues since |
| 03:16.47 | SerajewelKS | richardk, this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 03:16.48 | eidolon | lakcaj: *nod* |
| 03:16.54 | richardk | i know |
| 03:17.07 | richardk | #ubuntu kicked me out |
| 03:17.10 | streuner | !based on debian |
| 03:17.10 | eidolon | GAHHH. segfault uninstalling extensions. |
| 03:17.10 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 03:17.12 | Gnea | heh |
| 03:17.14 | richardk | for some reason |
| 03:17.16 | SerajewelKS | richardk, so don't get kicked out next time |
| 03:17.20 | eidolon | this doesn't look good. |
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| 03:17.29 | richardk | they wont let me back in |
| 03:17.40 | SerajewelKS | richardk, again... if you don't upset people you won't get banned |
| 03:17.52 | richardk | i didnt upset anyone |
| 03:17.59 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 03:18.04 | richardk | i had a copy of mac osx for x86 |
| 03:18.15 | richardk | and someone said im a bad person for having it |
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| 03:18.27 | Gnea | seriously |
| 03:18.29 | Gnea | that's offtopic |
| 03:18.31 | richardk | and all i said was "what are u gonna do about it then" |
| 03:18.38 | richardk | that person doesnt know me |
| 03:18.43 | Gnea | richardk: and you found out. |
| 03:18.47 | Gnea | doesn't matter |
| 03:18.49 | maher | richardk: well they banned you - that's what they did |
| 03:18.51 | jim | richardk: that's not the issue tho |
| 03:18.56 | Gnea | you disrespected basic channel protocol. |
| 03:18.56 | SerajewelKS | richardk, you talk smak, you're off-topic, and you wonder why you got banned? |
| 03:19.10 | richardk | so |
| 03:19.20 | Gnea | richardk: that's right - no one knows you and no one really wants to. |
| 03:19.24 | richardk | they shouldnt talk to people like that |
| 03:19.26 | streuner | richardk: ask a debian related question or leave |
| 03:19.41 | SerajewelKS | streuner, that was effective =) |
| 03:19.43 | Gnea | nice |
| 03:19.48 | Gnea | !beer streuner |
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| 03:20.04 | concept10 | may I have one? |
| 03:20.14 | Gnea | !beer concept10 |
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| 03:21.26 | nvz | heh |
| 03:21.33 | nvz | high life makes me sick |
| 03:21.37 | Gnea | beggers can't be choosers :) |
| 03:21.39 | concept10 | LOL |
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| 03:22.05 | concept10 | matter of fact, I think i will ride down to the beer store now |
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| 03:22.18 | Gnea | hehe |
| 03:22.19 | jim | miller is -horrible-... sheesh, it might be why I stopped drinking beer |
| 03:22.42 | Gnea | i'm a milwaukees best fan |
| 03:22.52 | SerajewelKS | i like water... |
| 03:22.53 | Gnea | and miller makes/cans it |
| 03:22.53 | jim | I liked becks |
| 03:22.54 | nvz | sussudio: you mean the one directed at greycat/#debian through ravenbird from #botpark? |
| 03:22.57 | concept10 | jim, it is I just can spell heineken |
| 03:23.03 | Gnea | water is good too, especially when it's filtered |
| 03:23.08 | jim | yeah I like water too |
| 03:23.31 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, nah, i like my water swimming with algea |
| 03:23.35 | sussudio | nvz: probably. freenode should stop giving out usercloaks to people that have been on the network for less than a month, for starters. |
| 03:23.37 | yonkel-lappy | anyone have experience using centrino and debian? |
| 03:23.38 | SerajewelKS | extra protein |
| 03:23.38 | jim | and oj and welches grape juice |
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| 03:23.49 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: *chuckle* |
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| 03:24.16 | nvz | sussudio: yeah you should have to have been around for like at least 6 months and have like 20 registered users that will sign a petition for you :P |
| 03:24.29 | jim | yonkel-lappy: mainly it's the kernel that supports hardware |
| 03:24.29 | sussudio | nvz: works for me |
| 03:24.47 | SerajewelKS | i should apply for a cloak... |
| 03:25.11 | nvz | I've been here almost 5 years and I'd like to think I know at least 20 people |
| 03:25.12 | yonkel-lappy | jim: yep. got that much. just wondering about the debian kernel in the apt repos.....should have been more clear. i usually roll my own kernels to begin with but i was wondering for the install phase. |
| 03:25.14 | jim | yeah, if you had a cloak, you'd see that it's 8:25 PM! |
| 03:25.31 | nvz | else some of you are bots. |
| 03:25.37 | SerajewelKS | 10:26 PM actually |
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| 03:26.13 | Piggy | =:8 |
| 03:26.22 | nvz | heh |
| 03:26.29 | jim | well, I've never succeeded in building a different kernel with debian-installer, but the process moreorless succeeded as far as I took it |
| 03:27.39 | SerajewelKS | wtf |
| 03:27.43 | nvz | in other words you succeded in failing to compile a kernel package :) |
| 03:27.45 | SerajewelKS | qemu segfaulted |
| 03:27.48 | nvz | exit 0 |
| 03:28.03 | yonkel-lappy | jim: so will d-i detect the centrino bits? |
| 03:28.35 | jim | well, that part I'm not sure... but shouldn't i386 work fine with a centrino? |
| 03:28.50 | jim | you could try that |
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| 03:29.56 | yonkel-lappy | 686 should as well! p4m should have the celeron instruction set |
| 03:30.17 | sussudio | there's no such thing as a celeron instruction set |
| 03:30.31 | yonkel-lappy | blah...i mean it's the same |
| 03:30.48 | yonkel-lappy | i read on tom's hardware.....there was some messup with them |
| 03:31.01 | jim | you should try i386 for the install... if it even boots and can access just enough devices on your machine so it could install, |
| 03:31.17 | jim | then you're in... from there, you can build whatever kernel you want |
| 03:31.26 | yonkel-lappy | good point.... |
| 03:31.56 | jim | I'm not sure what you have on the machine now, if you're going to try wipe-and-install or what... |
| 03:32.27 | jim | you should consider a backup plan for if you have stuff on the machine you want to keep, like your own files you made |
| 03:32.46 | rac | hi, have anyone used a samsung printer ML-1610 |
| 03:32.46 | yonkel-lappy | it's going to be virgin metal |
| 03:33.06 | sussudio | !fist rac |
| 03:33.16 | Nurbs | hm... wonder why syslogd is borked. every now and then log files will just stay empty... mhm |
| 03:33.58 | nvz | Nurbs: you're 0wned? |
| 03:34.17 | nvz | 80) |
| 03:34.20 | yonkel-lappy | sussudio: ok i can't find the story...but what i remember is that it turns out that the p4 isn't actually as fast as it's meant to be and that "somehow accounts" for the p4m being a celeron |
| 03:34.39 | yonkel-lappy | sussudio: dunno if that makes sense....i'll keep looking for the exact article |
| 03:34.44 | sussudio | "Sony and Toshiba Give Up On Unified DVD Format" |
| 03:34.56 | sussudio | oh good. i can't wait for HDVD+RQ-RW+P's |
| 03:34.57 | nvz | yonkel-lappy: dont hurt yourself. I fear you are thinking too hard. |
| 03:35.05 | Nurbs | nvz: could be :) |
| 03:35.10 | Nurbs | *scratches head* gotta investigate |
| 03:35.22 | yonkel-lappy | nvz: now i am curious! :-) |
| 03:35.31 | nvz | celeron, centrino.. you know they almost sound the same when said by a dyslexic person |
| 03:35.35 | jim | don't scratch the top of your head too hard... if you get to your neck, you've gone too far!! |
| 03:35.42 | john | when i switch "sarge" to "etch" or "testing" I get a bunch of 404 errors when i apt-get update.. where can i find the proper etch sources list? |
| 03:35.54 | jim | you have to update first |
| 03:35.56 | sussudio | nvz: or as kawfee would say "TIMMEH WANTS A DELL" |
| 03:36.03 | nvz | jim: yeah.. like use that thing on your neck for something other than a hatrack... heh |
| 03:36.15 | SerajewelKS | jim, that's what john is doing? |
| 03:36.27 | john | wait |
| 03:36.28 | nvz | sussudio: my brother said dell got a laptop with $500 off now |
| 03:36.29 | jim | nono |
| 03:36.29 | john | dist-upgrade? |
| 03:36.30 | john | you mean? |
| 03:36.33 | jim | apt-get update |
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| 03:36.37 | jim | that first |
| 03:36.44 | sussudio | nvz: and probably $500 shipping cost |
| 03:36.46 | SerajewelKS | jim, yes, that's what he said he's doing |
| 03:36.47 | john | i did |
| 03:36.48 | jim | that -should- resolve the 404s |
| 03:36.48 | john | got errors |
| 03:36.53 | SerajewelKS | jim, <john> when i switch "sarge" to "etch" or "testing" I get a bunch of 404 errors when i apt-get update.. where can i find the proper etch sources list? |
| 03:37.01 | eidolon | here's an update. running with NO extensions loaded at all - (firefox -p, new profile), and things are NOT working properly. Downloads are not working, and launching xmms from a m3u link fails silently. |
| 03:37.01 | jim | ok, pick a different mirror? |
| 03:37.04 | yonkel-lappy | nvz: this is going to bug me now |
| 03:37.18 | nvz | sussudio: yeah he was just saying it to my father as a joke. my dad buys a new one any time its on sale or windows crashes |
| 03:37.32 | Guerin | john: you made a mistake |
| 03:37.38 | Guerin | john: run apt-setup |
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| 03:37.40 | sussudio | nvz: do you get the old ones? |
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| 03:38.04 | bjason | hey, is there a config program for xorg? |
| 03:38.19 | lilldude | dell is like undies always broken some were |
| 03:38.20 | SerajewelKS | bjason, X -configure ? |
| 03:38.21 | stew | !drxx bjason |
| 03:38.22 | dpkg | bjason: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:38.24 | nsx | when making a deb package, what are you supposed to put for the architecture if you're making an architecture-neutral package? |
| 03:38.24 | nvz | sussudio: well I can have this one.. but it has no power connector.. got to fix it.. the other he is still kind of using.. too lazy/stupid to get all the saved passwords and stuff out of it |
| 03:38.26 | stew | SerajewelKS: no |
| 03:38.26 | drusscol | how can I scroll the screen back in screen? I read the man page, and don't see it |
| 03:38.26 | bjason | aite thanks |
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| 03:38.36 | lilldude | windows is like socks always full o holes |
| 03:38.38 | stew | drusscol: ctrl-a esc |
| 03:38.56 | sussudio | nvz: no power connector? |
| 03:38.56 | fedenet | hellow |
| 03:39.04 | sussudio | !br |
| 03:39.04 | nvz | I dont really like em other than the lcd and the lower power consumption and noise. just about everything else about them sucks |
| 03:39.04 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:39.19 | fedenet | alguien habla en espaÃąol? |
| 03:39.20 | jim | !ar |
| 03:39.20 | dpkg | it has been said that ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils |
| 03:39.21 | nvz | sussudio: yeah the dc in connector on the motherboard is broken |
| 03:39.22 | drusscol | stew: that works. thanks. |
| 03:40.00 | bjason | might it be necessary to install my video drivers before trying to get xorg up and running? or will generic drivers work fine? |
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| 03:40.10 | stew | !es |
| 03:40.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:40.13 | fedenet | hi? |
| 03:40.17 | sussudio | nvz: how did you manage that? |
| 03:40.19 | nvz | sussudio: the powersupply is external. takes like 19vdc in or something |
| 03:40.20 | stew | bjason: generic drivers work fine unless you need 3d performance |
| 03:40.21 | SerajewelKS | bjason, if you don't need acceleration, generic ones are fine |
| 03:40.42 | nvz | sussudio: shit happens. I dont know. the cord hangs out they broke it |
| 03:40.53 | sussudio | nvz: sounds like quality craftmanship |
| 03:41.07 | nvz | sussudio: oh of course its compaq |
| 03:41.09 | Guerin | drusscol: C-a ESC |
| 03:41.14 | sussudio | COMPAQQQQQQQQ |
| 03:41.17 | Guerin | drusscol: go into copy mode |
| 03:41.21 | bjason | SerajewlKS: well, when i try to start up the Xorg (which i downloaded through x-window-system (sid) ) I just get a blank screen |
| 03:41.27 | fedenet | hi... can somebody tell me about a cpanel 10 crack? |
| 03:41.35 | SerajewelKS | !tell bjason about tab |
| 03:41.38 | sussudio | !compaqsmite nvz |
| 03:41.42 | sussudio | :-| |
| 03:41.42 | SerajewelKS | oops |
| 03:41.45 | SerajewelKS | wrong one |
| 03:41.48 | sussudio | !listkeys compaq |
| 03:41.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'compaq' by key (2): compaq ;; be compaq barbie. |
| 03:42.07 | gravity | bjason: Did you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any errors? |
| 03:42.16 | stew | fedenet: go away |
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| 03:42.27 | bjason | I tried tab and it didn't work |
| 03:42.32 | fedenet | stew: why? |
| 03:42.37 | Guerin | fedenet: sure. cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda1 |
| 03:42.46 | Guerin | fedenet: you need to be root |
| 03:42.46 | nvz | sussudio: I am trying to figure out if I can score some iBooks off these high school students. the school is digital and all the kids get an iBook. I heard upon graduation they can buy it for like $100 or something.. and I know not all kids would want them. I need to find out if they are actually replacing them or not as they get old. |
| 03:43.04 | bjason | i'm running bitchx... |
| 03:43.05 | SerajewelKS | bjason, blank as in black, or blank as in empty? |
| 03:43.13 | bjason | black |
| 03:43.15 | gravity | bjason: Did you check the log? |
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| 03:43.34 | bjason | well i'm not familiar with xorg... so I haven't |
| 03:43.41 | gravity | bjason: Go look. I just told you where. |
| 03:43.42 | stew | fedenet: becuase questions like yours are not welcome on this irc network |
| 03:43.59 | bjason | gravity, can you tell me where that log is again? |
| 03:44.00 | fedenet | stew: ok sorry |
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| 03:44.05 | gravity | bjason: /var/log |
| 03:44.11 | bjason | ok brb |
| 03:44.23 | the13th | bjason: >do you use any extra-driver like the nvidia-one? |
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| 03:45.09 | PandaKun | anyone here use snort? |
| 03:45.21 | bjason | gravity: "missing output drivers. Configuration failed" |
| 03:45.41 | gravity | bjason: Can you put your xorg.conf in a pastebin? It's in /etc/X11 |
| 03:46.05 | bjason | gravity: pastebin? |
| 03:46.10 | gravity | bjason: google it |
| 03:46.13 | bjason | you mean output it to bitchx? |
| 03:46.16 | gravity | NO |
| 03:46.19 | bjason | oh |
| 03:46.19 | stew | PandaKun: there is #snort |
| 03:46.22 | gravity | The opposite |
| 03:46.31 | fedenet | stew: hey do you known about VHCS? |
| 03:47.04 | fedenet | stew: look... i am searching for a control panel for my hosting server |
| 03:47.19 | Guerin | fedenet: i recommend /bin/bash |
| 03:47.22 | stew | i heard of it but know little about it |
| 03:47.26 | PandaKun | stew |
| 03:47.29 | PandaKun | that channel is dead. |
| 03:47.29 | PandaKun | lol |
| 03:47.30 | PandaKun | no one talks |
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| 03:47.32 | eidolon | so guerin - this has nothing to do with extensions. |
| 03:47.38 | SerajewelKS | !enter |
| 03:47.39 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 03:47.39 | the13th | fedenet: > try webmin |
| 03:47.40 | Guerin | eidolon: oh, it doesn't? |
| 03:47.41 | fedenet | yes.. for me all ok... but for my stupid clients???? |
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| 03:48.07 | eidolon | bugs.debian.org has 4 grave problems opened on firefox, one of which is the crwash on ^W, another is on opening the history window. even in an empty profile, hitting ^H crashes firefox with a segfault. |
| 03:48.11 | Guerin | fedenet: if they're that stupid, what are they doing administering a webserver? |
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| 03:48.30 | Guerin | eidolon: wow, funky. Is this a build from security.d.o or volatile? |
| 03:48.37 | fedenet | jaja you have all the reason! but i have to do something! |
| 03:48.38 | nvz | eidolon: yeah but not the version you are using. |
| 03:48.41 | eidolon | apt-get upgrade of iexisting mozilla-firefox |
| 03:48.52 | eidolon | nvz: it isn't |
| 03:48.53 | eidolon | ? |
| 03:48.59 | Guerin | eidolon: that doesn't answer my question |
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| 03:49.01 | eidolon | ii mozilla-firefo 1.0.4-2sarge2 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla |
| 03:49.14 | eidolon | thyat's what i have installed, and bug #324617 addresses that directly. |
| 03:49.23 | nvz | eidolon: I havent read them, but I heard such bugs and they were on the next security update.. I use that version and mine is fine |
| 03:49.28 | Guerin | eidolon: apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox |
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| 03:49.38 | Guerin | eidolon: see what source that comes from |
| 03:49.54 | eidolon | which line do you need, guerin? |
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| 03:50.04 | eidolon | (i'm not an expert in apt, sorry) |
| 03:50.29 | eidolon | nvz: no, this is the current one, as released into debian-stable 3 days ago. |
| 03:50.30 | foo | Does anyone know of a good CLI jabber client? |
| 03:50.40 | bob2 | bitlbee |
| 03:50.47 | nvz | !info mozilla-firefox |
| 03:50.52 | nvz | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 03:50.52 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-3 (sid), Packaged size: 7442 kB, Installed size: 21012 kB |
| 03:50.53 | streuner | eidolon: apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox |
| 03:50.54 | nvz | even |
| 03:50.56 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
| 03:51.08 | eidolon | guys, i've done the policy command. of the 10 lines it outputted, which one do you want? |
| 03:51.16 | Guerin | eidolon: a line under Version Table: which shows the url that version comes from |
| 03:51.22 | Guerin | eidolon: getting there, sorrt |
| 03:51.25 | eidolon | *** 1.0.4-2sarge2 0 |
| 03:51.39 | eidolon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:51.45 | eidolon | more? |
| 03:51.50 | Guerin | eidolon: ok, so that answers my question |
| 03:51.52 | foo | ybothanks |
| 03:51.56 | Guerin | it's a s.d.o build |
| 03:52.06 | eidolon | sorry, i dont know what that means :( |
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| 03:52.32 | Guerin | eidolon: the only official way sarge will change is for security updates from security.debian.org |
| 03:53.01 | eidolon | *nod8 which makes sense. that's why i trust the stable release and security updates. having this crashing like this is why i'm so edgy :) |
| 03:53.15 | nvz | hmm. |
| 03:53.19 | Guerin | now, i seem to recall the security people mentioning that mozilla-* would be a nightmare to maintain (i believe the word "impossible" may have been uttered) because they're such huge codebases, and under such heavy development. |
| 03:54.08 | Guerin | eidolon: what I'm driving at is that backporting security fixes which were made in later versions of firefox to 1.04 is a tricky business. |
| 03:54.21 | streuner | eidolon: do you use binaries from mozilla.org ? (They have 1.0.6, IIRC) |
| 03:54.31 | eidolon | sure. i can totally understand that. but also putting out a version that is unstable into a stable release is a real problem. |
| 03:54.51 | Guerin | eidolon: agreed, and that's why bugs are filed against it |
| 03:55.10 | stew | eidolon: an unstable an non-vulnerable release is possibly better than a stable but vulnerable one |
| 03:55.12 | eidolon | i suppose one big fix for this would be simply to upgrade to etch, which i'm planning to do soon anyway, but i have stable systems out there now that had this gone into any of my production machiens, it would have been a disaster. |
| 03:55.24 | aedwards_ | Folks..is it possible to specify a kernel to only boot on the next restart or only for a specific date/time range? Thinking of remotely trying the newly compiled kernel so I only have the option of killing the power if the kernel and network stack fail to come up. |
| 03:55.26 | concept10 | Guerin, I have a question about that myself, I havent seen any security updates since I installed sarge two weeks ago but I have seen some advisories. |
| 03:55.26 | eidolon | stew: that's a fine hair to split. |
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| 03:55.43 | nvz | yeah I always put mozilla-firefox on production machines. |
| 03:55.44 | eidolon | concept10: a big KDE security update just happened. |
| 03:56.02 | subgv | Is it possible to limit only group users to access ssh? |
| 03:56.08 | concept10 | eidolon, I dont have x on sarge. |
| 03:56.15 | Guerin | Now, there's another, semi-official way for sarge to get updates - that's via volatile.debian.net, which provides new versions built from source which, presumably at least, won't have the same backport problems. This branch was designed for things like spamassassin and clamav - things which need to change rapidly. I don't know if they do firefox, but it seems like that'd be a sensible candidate. |
| 03:56.16 | stew | eidolon: but knowing that these kinks will be worked out and you'll eventually end up with one that is neither vulnerabl nor unstable, this is the better route |
| 03:56.26 | subgv | Is it possible to limit only group users to login ssh server? |
| 03:56.34 | concept10 | Does sarge have a cronjob that automatically updates? |
| 03:56.45 | bob2 | subgv: sure, read the ssh daemon man page |
| 03:56.46 | Guerin | concept10: updates what? |
| 03:56.50 | eidolon | stew: but that's the whole purpose of testing. i dont' keep updateing my 'stable' release hoping that the next version.. or the next... or the next might work. |
| 03:56.52 | streuner | concept10: that's a bad idea |
| 03:56.58 | bob2 | concept10: that runs upgrade? no, it's a bad idea. |
| 03:57.04 | concept10 | streuner, I would think so. |
| 03:57.24 | eidolon | Guerin: interesting. |
| 03:57.32 | nvz | eidolon: there is apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges for this reason |
| 03:57.43 | Guerin | eidolon: in any case, some things you're just better using static builds from upstream. |
| 03:57.45 | eidolon | i'm running SA and clamav on a debian sarge box, and in fact, SA is seriously NOT working properly. i wonder if there's an issue :) |
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| 03:57.53 | concept10 | maybe I should subscribe to the list, I was just curious about the latest upgrades. |
| 03:57.53 | stew | Guerin: currently volitile appears to be ONLY clamav: ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/sarge/volatile/main/binary-i386/Packages |
| 03:58.00 | eidolon | nvz: i'm not familiar with those tools |
| 03:58.03 | Guerin | stew: it's very new :) |
| 03:58.04 | drusscol | I'm trying to burn a DVD+R on an Optorite DVD burner in a USB enclosure. When using growisofs, I get an error: Failed to change write speed: 0->11080. (The second number changes depending on what speed I try, but it always fails.) I just found that setting the "ignore speed" option in k3b works, but is slow as molasses. Anyone got any ideas for workarounds? |
| 03:58.08 | stew | Guerin: yeah, i know |
| 03:58.23 | stew | eidolon: no, you are misunderstanding the purpose of testing |
| 03:58.45 | nvz | eidolon: they list bugs and changelog notes before new packages are installed and let you have time to read full changelogs or bug reports on the bts before you proceed |
| 03:58.46 | eidolon | er. no, i don't think i am. i'm not talking about the Debian Testing release. i'm talking about the concept of testing something before releasing it :) |
| 03:59.14 | Guerin | anyway |
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| 03:59.27 | eidolon | nvz: sure, but if i see 10 pages of updates / changes to mozilla-firefox (and it is a big list of changes - i looked at the changelog), _AND_ the update is recommended from security.dewbian.org, am i really going to go "No, dont' install that." ? |
| 03:59.34 | eidolon | -and- its' aprt of the debian stable release? |
| 03:59.35 | Guerin | i'm off to perform surgery on this machine: namely, to rip the cpu out so I can frankenstein it into my homne box |
| 03:59.42 | eidolon | good luck :) |
| 03:59.53 | Guerin | if I can find a screwdriver ... |
| 03:59.57 | Guerin | cheers, you too |
| 04:00.06 | streuner | haha |
| 04:00.20 | eidolon | anyway, i posted this into my blog. hopefully it'll get picked up so otehr folks running stable will NOT update. |
| 04:00.26 | eidolon | (http://planet-geek.com/) |
| 04:00.42 | stew | eidolon: you don't want them to update becuase you don't want the package to be tested? |
| 04:00.43 | nvz | I think trust at high doses causes stupidity |
| 04:00.56 | eidolon | stew: what? |
| 04:01.16 | eidolon | nvz: agreed. but if you can't trust the security updates to the stable release of your favorite OS, who do you trust? |
| 04:01.28 | nvz | GWB of course ;) |
| 04:01.58 | eidolon | so. okay. can i back-date my update here? go back to the previous package? |
| 04:02.02 | eidolon | cuz this is unusable now. |
| 04:02.20 | nvz | eidolon: snapshot.debian.net |
| 04:02.22 | stew | eidolon: you would recommend to your loyal readers that they should run vulnerable software instead of helping test, and having to maybe put up with some instability? |
| 04:02.41 | eidolon | stew: 'stable' releases are not for testing. |
| 04:02.42 | stew | no need for snapshot the old version should still be in main |
| 04:02.55 | nvz | stew: oh? |
| 04:03.07 | nvz | stew: ah thats a security update :) |
| 04:03.10 | stew | yeah |
| 04:03.27 | eidolon | but in this case, yes, i'd recommend not upgrading - i assume the debian maintainers are aware of the problem and will fix it pronto, but the option right now is a) no work at all possible. or b) working with a potentially vulnerable environment. |
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| 04:04.00 | zcat[1] | woowoo |
| 04:04.04 | streuner | argh |
| 04:04.23 | nvz | the bugs do exist in mine and I have been using it everyday and didnt know it until I tried to crash it |
| 04:04.29 | stew | eidolon: do you have a suggestion as to how the security team could have done better in this case? |
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| 04:04.33 | nvz | I use several extensions multiple tabs ..etc |
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| 04:06.09 | eidolon | stew: does the ^H thing crash it? |
| 04:06.12 | eidolon | right now i can't use it at all. |
| 04:06.14 | zcat[1] | stoopid broken ac97 sound.. |
| 04:06.41 | dolfo | augun brasileiro |
| 04:06.56 | nvz | dolfo: #debian-br |
| 04:07.00 | ASCIIGirl | dolfo, check debian-br |
| 04:07.03 | streuner | Use the damn binaries of mozilla.org then |
| 04:07.35 | stew | eidolon: dunno, i don't run x on any of my sarge boxes |
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| 04:08.06 | ASCIIGirl | :) |
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| 04:08.18 | eidolon | stew: *nod* yah, i use it on my development box here (my laptop), and it's normally screamingly solid. ran sarge as testing forever. i also use it on an LTSP cluster i maintain - THATS the one that scares me right nwo with this update. if i update that server, all the users will break. |
| 04:08.33 | jdrake | Can anyone tell me what kernel version etch has? (distrowatch does not have that info) |
| 04:09.17 | eidolon | oh yippee. i can't even download with this version. |
| 04:09.20 | streuner | jdrake: you can use any kernel you want, no matter its sarge, etch or sid |
| 04:10.03 | nvz | ASCIIGirl: you're the only girl I know with 255 characters and not schizo |
| 04:10.14 | streuner | jdrake: if you want which kernel-image are avaiable as precompiled debs go to pdo (packages.debian.org) |
| 04:10.30 | jdrake | streuner, I require a kernel of at least 2.6.11 to be able to boot on my hardware |
| 04:10.54 | streuner | jdrake: to install debian? |
| 04:11.08 | zcat[1] | nvz: ASCIIGIRL would only be 127 characters.. you're thinking of ANSIGIRL |
| 04:11.17 | nvz | heh |
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| 04:11.27 | jdrake | streuner, yes |
| 04:11.35 | WiFiTux_ | hey, has anyone tried google talk? :) |
| 04:11.36 | jdrake | It has something to do with the SATA controller |
| 04:11.57 | eidolon | i thought google talk was restricted? |
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| 04:12.11 | zcat[1] | google talk ? |
| 04:12.19 | eidolon | google's IM system. |
| 04:12.25 | streuner | jdrake: /msg dpkg di |
| 04:12.25 | zcat[1] | ahh.. |
| 04:12.26 | eidolon | jabber-based from what i understand. |
| 04:12.31 | eidolon | (which IMHO is a good thing :) |
| 04:12.33 | zcat[1] | good move! |
| 04:12.34 | streuner | jdrake: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 04:12.35 | WiFiTux_ | Is new. |
| 04:12.46 | WiFiTux_ | read slashdot.org |
| 04:12.50 | eidolon | http://www.google.com/talk/ |
| 04:12.51 | zcat[1] | google needs to do a podcast thing.. |
| 04:13.18 | jdrake | thank you |
| 04:13.30 | nvz | fuck slashdot's dot with its slash right between its h t t p : // and its / |
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| 04:14.27 | WiFiTux_ | nvz: hey slashdot is OK. |
| 04:14.51 | nvz | If I played a drinking game right now where I took a drink everytime I read a dumb article on slashdot I would die |
| 04:14.55 | zcat[1] | this is sooo much like that April1 joke where Google was indexing chat text... I'm afraid to use it now :) |
| 04:15.15 | WiFiTux_ | nvz: slashdot is good. I like it. |
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| 04:16.07 | nvz | that counts against your geek credibility |
| 04:16.21 | PandaKun | hey |
| 04:16.23 | PandaKun | who here uses snort? |
| 04:16.28 | PandaKun | anyone know how to disable a certain port? |
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| 04:16.54 | streuner | PandaKun: just close the app which started it |
| 04:17.22 | nvz | PandaKun: that sounds like something that would be in a file called /usr/share/doc/snort/FAQ.gz or something </guess> |
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| 04:17.33 | zcat[1] | netstat or fuser can tell you what opened a port.. |
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| 04:18.53 | zcat[1] | best to uninstall the app or configure it to only listen where you want it listening rather than firewall stuff (and then firewall to be double-safe..) |
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| 04:20.31 | nvz | I just realized tor users show up the same format as normal usercloaks |
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| 04:20.45 | sleon|tuX | !+find init.d/iptables |
| 04:20.47 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:20.56 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'init.d/iptables' returned no results. |
| 04:21.04 | sleon|tuX | !+find iptables |
| 04:21.06 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'iptables' (3): iptables ;; iptables-dev ;; libiptables-ipv4-ipqueue-perl. |
| 04:21.20 | jim | !msg the bot |
| 04:21.21 | dpkg | talk to the bot in msg or our trained attack dogs will bite your genitalia off |
| 04:21.30 | concept10 | talk.google.com why? Yet another chat client and everyone is praising this as the next Ma Bell. |
| 04:21.34 | TraceGreen | Hello, if my vga set to 640x480, can i have bootsplash when booting? |
| 04:21.41 | jim | ok, so that was unnecessarily harsh and uncalled for... |
| 04:21.57 | jim | dpkg, forget msg the bot |
| 04:21.57 | dpkg | jim: i forgot msg the bot |
| 04:22.04 | foo | Hmm, shouldn't I be able to take a .config and do make oldconfig? During that I got this: make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/mconf.o] Error 1 make: *** [oldconfig] Error 2 - any ideas? |
| 04:22.20 | SerajewelKS | why doesn't the sarge iptables have an initscript? |
| 04:22.37 | nvz | foo: not if you say have a .config from 2.0.4 and trying to build 2.6.12 |
| 04:22.53 | jim | dpkg, msg the bot is <reply> please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood |
| 04:22.54 | dpkg | okay, jim |
| 04:23.06 | zcat[1] | make defaultconfig, usually it's pretty sane :) |
| 04:23.09 | nvz | foo: they would pretty much have to be the same version or at least same major/minor version |
| 04:24.24 | sleon|tuX | i am on debian unstable |
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| 04:24.30 | sleon|tuX | there is no /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 04:24.37 | sleon|tuX | iptables is installed |
| 04:24.38 | sleon|tuX | why |
| 04:24.40 | jim | foo: back up the .config you're trying to use, then type make mrproper |
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| 04:24.47 | cafuego | sleon|tuX: It was removed from sarge. |
| 04:24.52 | jim | then restore the .config and run make oldconfig |
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| 04:24.56 | sleon|tuX | cafuego, waht should be used instead? |
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| 04:25.04 | cafuego | sleon|tuX: ftp://ftp.cc.com.au/pub/users/cafuego/ipt.tgz contains it if you want it back. |
| 04:25.29 | cafuego | sleon|tuX: You can run 'iptables-save' and 'iptables-restore' from interfaces directly. |
| 04:25.54 | sleon|tuX | cafuego, a ok as usual |
| 04:26.01 | sleon|tuX | cafuego, i better use my script |
| 04:26.10 | sleon|tuX | it is then better structured |
| 04:26.28 | jkasdn | can i use "apt-build source" with xorg? i need to try a patch relevant to my video card. i tried "apt-build source xserver-xorg" but it gives an error. |
| 04:26.39 | gravity | jkasdn: What's the patch? |
| 04:26.39 | PandaKun | no no |
| 04:26.43 | PandaKun | i want to TURN off a port |
| 04:26.46 | PandaKun | so snort wont scan it |
| 04:27.26 | jkasdn | gravity: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2005/06/msg00454.html |
| 04:27.34 | foo | nvz: I have a config from 2.6.8.2 and am trying it on 2.6.8.2 |
| 04:27.38 | foo | i mean, no 2.6.8 |
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| 04:27.47 | jazzmanss | will scp overwrite files without warning or asking if I want to? |
| 04:27.57 | gravity | jkasdn: That patch is in -5 |
| 04:28.22 | SerajewelKS | jazzmanss, scp overwrites without warning by default |
| 04:28.34 | jazzmans | shit. ok thanks SerajewelKS |
| 04:28.41 | gravity | jkasdn: So there's no need to build it yourself. |
| 04:28.46 | SerajewelKS | jazzmans, i take it that's not a good thing |
| 04:29.36 | jazzmanss | yeah, that'd be a good guess, I buggered up and overwrote a bunch of stuff, luckily it was my backup data SerajewelKS (both jazzmans are me, different machines) |
| 04:30.10 | SerajewelKS | jazzmans(s?), i figured ;) |
| 04:30.12 | PandaKun | j, |
| 04:30.15 | jkasdn | gravity: ok. i tried using xorg earlier today, but it did not work (as in the past). perhaps i have the xorg -4 version |
| 04:30.31 | SerajewelKS | jkasdn, or maybe xorg is in unstable and is therefore... unstable |
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| 04:31.35 | nvz | SerajewelKS: maybe he is talking to the xorg maintainer and therefore doesnt need your two cents :P |
| 04:32.02 | SerajewelKS | nvz, yeah probably, but i'm bored so i may as well cause trouble |
| 04:32.12 | gnumby | anyone know what i can do about a printing problem? It's like off the page and huge fonts. I'm using cups and kde, and it's my first attempt at printing |
| 04:32.19 | gravity | jkasdn: What version of the packages do you have? |
| 04:32.39 | nvz | probably? |
| 04:32.54 | nvz | gravity: is there a probability you maintain xorg? |
| 04:33.19 | SerajewelKS | nvz, i was referring to my two cents |
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| 04:33.26 | nvz | heh |
| 04:33.33 | gravity | It's fairly probable, depending I suppose |
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| 04:33.38 | gravity | Not like I'm the only one doing it |
| 04:33.40 | jkasdn | gravity: actually, it looks like i do have -5. i tested xorg earlier today, used the standard dpkg-reconfigure to configure it, but it still didn't work (same as earlier xorg versions) |
| 04:33.47 | nvz | yeah |
| 04:33.51 | gravity | jkasdn: How did it not work? |
| 04:33.53 | black13 | after make-kpkg what next |
| 04:33.59 | black13 | ?? |
| 04:34.06 | SerajewelKS | gravity, btw, kudos for maintaining it... can't wait 'till it enters testing |
| 04:34.07 | gravity | black13: dpkg -i? |
| 04:34.18 | gravity | SerajewelKS: Thank you. Me neither, but it's a long road... |
| 04:34.27 | jkasdn | gravity: the screen was a complete mess of colors |
| 04:34.28 | gravity | -6 will have to happen first |
| 04:34.32 | PandaKun | what is better |
| 04:34.35 | PandaKun | SNORT or PORTSENTRY |
| 04:34.36 | PandaKun | ? |
| 04:34.39 | gravity | jkasdn: Did you check the log? It's in /var/log/ |
| 04:34.41 | SerajewelKS | gravity, it was a long road to sarge, but we got here ;) |
| 04:34.46 | gravity | True enough |
| 04:34.47 | SerajewelKS | barely |
| 04:34.51 | gravity | Nah |
| 04:34.55 | gravity | We made it fine |
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| 04:35.18 | gravity | I know the rm's are working to keep things moving so etch gets out in better time |
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| 04:35.54 | SpinX | 86% [Connecting to security.debian.org (194.109.137.218)] apt-get is halting at that. |
| 04:36.08 | SerajewelKS | is there a timetable for xorg packaging? |
| 04:36.12 | jkasdn | gravity: i don't think it gave any error, so xorg thought everything was ok |
| 04:36.18 | gravity | SerajewelKS: For what aspect? |
| 04:36.26 | SerajewelKS | gravity, stability ;) |
| 04:36.31 | gravity | Heh |
| 04:36.42 | gravity | jkasdn: Ok... so no error in the log? What driver are you using? |
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| 04:36.59 | SpinX | anyone know whats up with apt-get? |
| 04:37.03 | SerajewelKS | i know it's difficult to project any kind of date |
| 04:37.06 | c4_ | how it was that?: apt-get install -sources cplay |
| 04:37.12 | gravity | SerajewelKS: It's up to upstream |
| 04:37.14 | jkasdn | gravity: my card is an s3 trio64v2/dx |
| 04:37.15 | SerajewelKS | SpinX, apt-get works fine |
| 04:37.25 | SpinX | for you, maybe. |
| 04:37.33 | gravity | jkasdn: Could you try it with the vesa driver and see how that goes? |
| 04:37.48 | nvz | jkasdn: I feel your pain |
| 04:37.53 | SerajewelKS | gravity, ah... speaking of upstream, what's the xorg website? www.x.org seems more of an X protocol group, not the X.org server dev team. |
| 04:38.01 | nvz | I just cant reach |
| 04:38.23 | gravity | SerajewelKS: X.org is a steering group for the project. The development is separate in a way. It's mainly a political thing... |
| 04:38.26 | jkasdn | gravity: last time i tried the vesa driver it worked. but it is too slow, so i use the old xfree86 3.3.6 server |
| 04:38.28 | gravity | Hard to explain because I don't know really |
| 04:38.32 | SpinX | Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.tomstroubleshooting.com/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz PASS Ķ |
| 04:38.32 | SpinX | Ķ failed, server said: Login incorrect. Failed to fetch |
| 04:38.42 | yonkel-lappy | can 32bit apps run on a 64bit chip like an amdturion? |
| 04:39.00 | SerajewelKS | gravity, okay, but is there a website for the X.org server project? |
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| 04:39.12 | gravity | jkasdn: Wait... xfree86 3.* works for you but not 4.*? |
| 04:39.21 | gravity | SerajewelKS: www.freedesktop.org |
| 04:39.31 | dondelelcaro | or... DUN DUN DUH! X.org |
| 04:39.33 | jkasdn | gravity: 3.3.6 has better s3 drivers. |
| 04:39.37 | SerajewelKS | gravity, thx |
| 04:39.43 | mo1991 | what is the advantage of vnc4server over vncserver? What VNC server do you think is best? I would like to log onto existing desktops if possible |
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| 04:39.49 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, see my previous comment about www.x.org |
| 04:39.53 | gravity | geez |
| 04:39.57 | Daeron_Ringeri | somewhere knows mov? |
| 04:40.16 | gravity | jkasdn: Ok... well... I don't know what to tell you... |
| 04:40.20 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: "X.Org Repository" <-- looks useful, no? |
| 04:40.21 | gravity | jkasdn: You can send a bug report about it |
| 04:40.52 | gravity | jkasdn: You can also wait for the 6.9 packages I'm working on in a week or two, but since it's only been regression for you, I doubt they'll help much |
| 04:41.04 | SpinX | ive been trying to do apt-get update |
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| 04:41.49 | Belboz99 | Hey, I've got a problem |
| 04:42.04 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, i was looking for more of a "x.org server project status" page |
| 04:42.16 | SerajewelKS | aside from the general consensus of "broken right now" |
| 04:42.22 | Daeron_Ringeri | somewhere knows mov? |
| 04:42.25 | Belboz99 | I just installed Debian, but when I was adding the user it kept on asking me what user to add over and over, so I cancled. Now I only have root :( |
| 04:42.33 | gravity | SerajewelKS: Uh... it's not "broken right now" by general consensus |
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| 04:42.37 | Daeron_Ringeri | somebody knows mov? |
| 04:42.40 | gravity | SerajewelKS: It works and works well for a lot of people |
| 04:42.40 | Daeron_Ringeri | somebody from Brazil? |
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| 04:43.11 | SerajewelKS | gravity, oh? i heard that not too long ago... how things change... |
| 04:43.28 | SerajewelKS | i must be out of the loop |
| 04:43.36 | gravity | SerajewelKS: You do know that it's a fork of xfree86, so it's essentially the same thing, but worked on more |
| 04:43.51 | gravity | It's not like some brand new piece of code |
| 04:44.05 | SerajewelKS | gravity, yeah, but i thought that the development involved reworking a bunch of it |
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| 04:44.16 | gravity | SerajewelKS: This is true |
| 04:44.24 | gravity | SerajewelKS: And also a lot of it was new drivers and bug fixes |
| 04:44.35 | SpinX | does apt-get update pause for anyone else. |
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| 04:44.47 | SerajewelKS | i heard somewhere that x.org will add real layered windows (alpha-blending) |
| 04:44.51 | gravity | Yes |
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| 04:45.06 | gravity | It's coming in the very early stages in the next stable release, but not for all drivers |
| 04:45.19 | SerajewelKS | nvidia? |
| 04:46.03 | Belboz99 | Hey, when I try to add a user with adduser, I get: chown 1000:1000 /home/dan: Operation not permitted |
| 04:46.38 | SerajewelKS | i've been looking for some page that give a summary of what's planned to be added to x.org (stuff xfree86 doesn't have) but haven't been able to find anything |
| 04:46.43 | SerajewelKS | gives* |
| 04:48.01 | gravity | No such thing |
| 04:48.07 | SpinX | how can i get back to debians set up menu, w/o CD? |
| 04:48.19 | SerajewelKS | SpinX, download the CD again |
| 04:48.23 | gravity | It's not so nicely organized. People just follow it and learn what's going on |
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| 04:48.36 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 04:48.46 | SpinX | well i've been trying to update the machine for a while now. dedicated cs server won't work, no idea why. freezes, works on another machine. so i guess i'll install freebsd soon. |
| 04:49.06 | SerajewelKS | SpinX, just fyi, the "debian set up menu" only exists on the CD |
| 04:49.35 | SerajewelKS | i mean i'm sure you can get the binaries, but they won't do much good unless you're booting from something |
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| 04:49.52 | gravity | SpinX: What do you mean "set up menu"? |
| 04:49.56 | SpinX | apt get stops at security.debian.org |
| 04:50.14 | SpinX | i figured theres a command to get back to the menu, like on freebsd /stand/sysinstall |
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| 04:50.25 | SerajewelKS | hasn't security.d.o been moved or something... i remember hearing something like that |
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| 04:50.36 | gravity | SpinX: I don't know what "the menu" is |
| 04:50.43 | gravity | SpinX: You'll have to clarify... |
| 04:50.49 | SpinX | install menu, setup menu. |
| 04:50.54 | SerajewelKS | SpinX, you can remove the security.d.o repository by editing your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:51.06 | gravity | SpinX: dpkg-reconfigure base-config ; apt-setup |
| 04:51.09 | gravity | SpinX: As root |
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| 04:51.40 | erikm_ | is unstable no longer available on non-us.debian.org? |
| 04:52.00 | Belboz99 | does anyone here know why I'm getting this error message: chown 1000:1000 /home/dan: Operation not permitted |
| 04:52.01 | SerajewelKS | gravity, well thanks for setting me straight on X.org... time for bed |
| 04:52.19 | SpinX | guess mine doesnt need updating |
| 04:52.19 | SerajewelKS | !topicsmite erikm_ |
| 04:52.20 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon erikm_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 04:54.32 | EasterSunshine | what is the correct umask to pass to mount to allow rwxrwxrwx ? |
| 04:54.34 | erikm_ | ok, so I'll just ignore non-us; thanks |
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| 04:55.16 | SerajewelKS | EasterSunshine, 000? |
| 04:55.18 | Coag | EasterSunshine, 777? |
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| 04:55.24 | Belboz99 | hey, I'm feeling invisible, does anyone have any idea why I'm getting this error message? |
| 04:55.26 | EasterSunshine | thats beautiful... |
| 04:55.29 | SerajewelKS | Coag, umask, not mask |
| 04:55.31 | Coag | haha |
| 04:55.36 | Coag | SerajewelKS, ah ok |
| 04:55.41 | EasterSunshine | i hope one of you are being sarcastic |
| 04:55.44 | EasterSunshine | so its 0777? |
| 04:55.50 | SerajewelKS | EasterSunshine, it's 000 |
| 04:56.10 | cat | hey does someone here uses mutt? |
| 04:56.15 | SerajewelKS | cat, i do |
| 04:56.28 | SerajewelKS | shoot, i was going to go to bed... |
| 04:56.31 | zcat[1] | mode would be 0777, mask would be 0000 |
| 04:56.32 | LinuxHungry | hello! I need a little help tonight I was going to try out another distro but grub is fouled up how do I repair or remove it? |
| 04:56.48 | SerajewelKS | !tell cat about in the channel |
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| 04:57.26 | cat | well when i do fetchmail it says i have mail but when i do mutt there's no mail on the mailbox |
| 04:57.40 | SerajewelKS | LinuxHungry, you don't need to remove grub to install another distro |
| 04:58.27 | Belboz99 | hey, I'm stuck as root. I need to login as a different user, but all attempts have failed, ideas? |
| 04:58.30 | cat | what can i do SerajewelKS |
| 04:58.35 | SerajewelKS | cat, fetchmail may be using ~/mail while mutt may be using ~/Mail (or the other way around) |
| 04:58.49 | cat | SerajewelKS: so what do i do? |
| 04:58.49 | SerajewelKS | i know i've had problems with Mail/mail before |
| 04:58.52 | LinuxHungry | thats what I thought to but it gives a error 15 and locks up |
| 04:59.21 | SerajewelKS | LinuxHungry, boot from the other distro's CD, format and install, and have it install its own bootloader |
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| 04:59.40 | SerajewelKS | LinuxHungry, if grub won't boot the CD (don't think it /can/ boot CDs) boot using the BIOS |
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| 04:59.58 | cat | SerajewelKS: so what do i do? |
| 05:00.04 | Debird | can anyone tell me benefits of using etherconf to configure network interfaces as opposed to just editing /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 05:00.17 | SerajewelKS | !repeat |
| 05:00.17 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:00.39 | SerajewelKS | cat, i'm not sure. do you know where fetchmail puts the mail? |
| 05:00.40 | LinuxHungry | chuckle they must not have a boot loader on the cd I installed the operating system and when it reboots it locks at grub |
| 05:00.52 | cat | nope |
| 05:00.55 | SerajewelKS | LinuxHungry, what distro |
| 05:01.02 | LinuxHungry | alinux |
| 05:01.02 | SerajewelKS | cat, i don't either ;) |
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| 05:01.16 | SerajewelKS | LinuxHungry, never heard of that.. couldn't help you there |
| 05:01.18 | cat | so what do i do to know where it's putting the mail |
| 05:01.33 | Debird | dpkg: would it be reasonable for someone to reply which one of those or all are the problem? |
| 05:01.34 | SerajewelKS | cat, dunno. i need to go to bed anyway.. maybe someone else will know |
| 05:01.34 | dpkg | Debird: that's too long |
| 05:01.39 | LinuxHungry | used to be peanut linux |
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| 05:02.06 | pmg | hello. this is my first time on linux, so dont laugh :) i have 2 harddrives. i need to access the other one (its ntfs). I cant seem to see it in my file browser |
| 05:02.40 | cat | ---Mutt: /var/mail/cat [Msgs:0]---(threads/date)------------------------(all)--- |
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| 05:02.58 | Debird | i really do want to participate correctly as well as promote good channel etiquette. are there any clues as to if it is bad information being given to the channel. |
| 05:03.00 | doleyb | pmg: type "mount" and look for the drive you want. |
| 05:03.10 | Debird | ? |
| 05:03.22 | kamaraju | Debird: I dont think there is any. Editing /etc/network/interfaces directly gives more flexibility. |
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| 05:03.45 | trym | I try to compile the nvidia module, but appearently my pre-built kernel was compiled with gcc 3.3, but I am currently using 4.0. What would be the best way of solving this? Downgrading to 3.3, or recompiling my kernel using gcc 4.0 ? |
| 05:03.52 | c4_ | q |
| 05:04.00 | cat | hey anyone here is good with fetchmail? |
| 05:04.04 | Debird | i read that using etherconf allows debconf to know what is going on. any truth in that? |
| 05:04.04 | doleyb | trym: set CC to gcc-3.3 before you compile |
| 05:04.06 | cat | that can give me a hand? |
| 05:04.18 | trym | doleyb: even better ;) |
| 05:04.24 | jkasdn | gravity: are you sure the patch was applied? it does not seem to be in http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/xorg-x11_6.8.2.dfsg.1-5/changelog |
| 05:04.26 | zcat[1] | trym: move the link /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.0 to gcc-3.3 |
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| 05:04.38 | kamaraju | Debird: No idea about that. |
| 05:05.00 | Debird | kamaraju: ok. thanks for the response |
| 05:05.14 | trym | ok.. need to shutdown x, in order to try it |
| 05:05.17 | trym | thanks so far |
| 05:05.24 | kamaraju | Debird: np |
| 05:05.29 | Debird | it probably wrong. i used text edit approach and it seems to work. |
| 05:05.34 | EasterSunshine | r=4,w=2,x=1, correct? |
| 05:05.45 | kamaraju | EasterSunshine: yes. |
| 05:05.46 | jkern | cat, mutt is very well documented on your system and on the web. It is perhaps not the best choice for anyone who is not going to be doing a lot of RTFM. |
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| 05:06.38 | jkasdn | gravity: i did notice a related patch for 4.2.1-6, but it is different |
| 05:06.44 | jkasdn | http://bugs.debian.org/178600 |
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| 05:08.02 | c4_ | when i run zgv and quit, the characters of the console in midnight commander change. how can i solve this? is the vgalib? |
| 05:08.14 | pmg | deleyb: in the terminal |
| 05:08.34 | bjason | gravity: still there? |
| 05:08.39 | pmg | doleyb, sorry |
| 05:09.06 | jkasdn | bjason: gravity seems to have left |
| 05:09.08 | bjason | Hopefully someone can answer an xorg question for me |
| 05:10.06 | bjason | I looked in xorg.conf and noticed my "device" was "3dfx Interactive, inc. Voodoo 3" |
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| 05:10.19 | bjason | the problem is I have an ati AIW |
| 05:10.22 | emergo | when I mount samba(linux-server, debian), from mac I only get 11.5gb though the disk has 45gb free. WHY ? |
| 05:10.32 | bjason | 9800 pro |
| 05:10.50 | kamaraju | In konversation (irc client), if I want to filter messages from a particular user, can I do that? If konversation cannot provide such functionality are there any other irc clients which have that functionality? |
| 05:10.51 | bjason | should this cause conflicts while trying to startx |
| 05:11.02 | bjason | ? |
| 05:11.32 | stew | kamaraju: by filter, you mean ignore? |
| 05:11.50 | c4_ | bjason: Xorg is better for ati |
| 05:11.53 | kamaraju | stew: No, I just want them in a different window. |
| 05:11.55 | doleyb | bjason: the long string "Device" is just a name used in that file. It's the "Driver" entry that really matters. |
| 05:12.07 | bjason | "tdfx" |
| 05:12.20 | bjason | I just get an error when i try to start x |
| 05:12.34 | doleyb | bjason: you shouldn't have tdfx there if you don't have a 3dfx Voodoo card. Those are old, nobody has them anymore. |
| 05:12.45 | stew | hey i have 2 of them |
| 05:12.56 | stew | (in the closet, not being used) |
| 05:13.04 | doleyb | i have one also actually, it was given me in 1998 and i've never ever got it to work. |
| 05:13.27 | Debird | thanks for the help everyone |
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| 05:13.41 | bjason | doleyb, okay..so how do i go about choosing the right one for my video card? |
| 05:13.41 | c4_ | xserver-xorg <- cool, now there is an xorg package! |
| 05:13.43 | jkasdn | does anyone know how to use "apt-build source" with xorg? "apt-build source xserver-xorg" gives me an odd error: "Missing package name for source_by_package()." |
| 05:13.44 | stew | bjason: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ; and choose radeon |
| 05:14.16 | bjason | stew, okay thanks i'll try that |
| 05:14.47 | jkasdn | do i need to "apt-build source" for all xorg packages? that would be rather monstrous. |
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| 05:14.59 | stew | jkasdn: the name of the source package is x11-xorg |
| 05:15.09 | stew | jkasdn: no make that xorg-x11 |
| 05:15.49 | jkasdn | stew: tried that, it replies: "Missing package name for source_by_package()." as with xserver-xorg |
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| 05:16.50 | jkasdn | i don't even know what that error means |
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| 05:18.32 | stew | jkasdn: checked the bts? |
| 05:19.00 | jkasdn | stew: actually, it seems to be telling me that for any package |
| 05:19.10 | jkasdn | stew: what is the bts? |
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| 05:20.12 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:24.23 | slisk | how do i get xorg to work using fbdev? i tried setting the video driver to "fbdev" and used the "UseFBDev" option, but the screen just go blank and i get a segmentation fault |
| 05:24.28 | slisk | how do i get this to work? |
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| 05:24.40 | bjason | Is there an easy way to determine which BUS ID my video card is on? |
| 05:24.59 | doleyb | bjason: unless you like have multiple cards, you can genearlly leave that stuff out. |
| 05:25.00 | stew | bjason: unless you have two cards or are on a mac you can leave that blank |
| 05:25.01 | peterS | bjason: ignore it |
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| 05:25.13 | bjason | but it's causing an error |
| 05:25.15 | peterS | bjason: if you *must* know, use 'lspci -X | grep VGA' |
| 05:25.19 | prodegy | How to take a screen shot on Linux? |
| 05:25.33 | peterS | it'll say something like PCI:1:0:0 |
| 05:25.34 | bjason | ok thx |
| 05:25.43 | prodegy | peter5 can you help me please |
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| 05:25.47 | prodegy | I am a new user to linux |
| 05:25.49 | doleyb | prodegy: i suggest gimp for screenshots. |
| 05:25.57 | prodegy | How to take them though? |
| 05:26.12 | peterS | prodegy: I believe there's a screenshot button on the default gnome toolbar. other desktop environments may or may not have similar buttons |
| 05:26.18 | bjason | yeah it says "no matching device section for that instance (BusId PCI:3:0:1) |
| 05:26.26 | jm_ | prodegy: /msg dpkg screenshot |
| 05:26.34 | ke6isf | prodegy: If you're running gnome, you can use the Screenshot applet |
| 05:26.49 | prodegy | Ok |
| 05:26.51 | prodegy | Also |
| 05:26.58 | prodegy | can you tell me how to change screen resolution? |
| 05:27.11 | peterS | bjason: it ends with :1? this card has multiple functions on it? |
| 05:27.26 | peterS | prodegy: gnome has a menu for that too, under system settings or something. I forget the label, it's been awhile |
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| 05:27.53 | bjason | peterS: well it had to one ended with a 1 and one with a 0 |
| 05:28.07 | prodegy | Ok Thank You |
| 05:28.11 | peterS | bjason: does your video card have two outputs? i.e., dual-head? |
| 05:28.28 | bjason | well, yeah you can say that.. It's an all in wonder |
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| 05:28.44 | bjason | technically, it doesn't have 2 vga outputs |
| 05:28.54 | bjason | but it has a vga and an svideo |
| 05:29.23 | peterS | bjason: I guess try both, but one would think the radeon driver would be smart enough to pick the vga output automatically |
| 05:29.34 | trym | What could be the reason for windows lagging etc when Im running with an accellerated nvidia graphics module? Im using xinerama. |
| 05:30.07 | SimonRaven | system load, bloated x shared mem... |
| 05:30.13 | SimonRaven | many |
| 05:30.21 | peterS | trym: memory use by your applications. it might be the applications themselves which are sluggish when you suddenly call upon them after a long absence - not the display portion specifically |
| 05:30.23 | bjason | lspci -X | grep vga said there are devices on 1:7:0 and 1:8:0 |
| 05:30.40 | bjason | would my best bet be 1:7:0? |
| 05:30.45 | SimonRaven | uh hunh. like coming out of swap or such |
| 05:30.53 | peterS | bjason: oh that's a bit weird, that would be two separate PCI devices, as opposed to two chips on one card |
| 05:31.07 | bjason | omg |
| 05:31.08 | trym | peterS: this happens just when I have started XFree. Minimal memory usage |
| 05:31.10 | bjason | i'm stupid |
| 05:31.12 | peterS | bjason: lspci would have also said what the devices are. are the descriptions helpful? |
| 05:31.16 | bjason | i do have multiple cards |
| 05:31.22 | bjason | I totally forgot...LOL |
| 05:31.23 | peterS | hahaha |
| 05:31.27 | doleyb | trym: what wm, what app? |
| 05:31.48 | bjason | well that's ONE retard point for bjason |
| 05:31.50 | trym | doleyb: happens in both gnome and kde. firefox, gnome terminal.. you choose. |
| 05:31.56 | SimonRaven | @moron bjason |
| 05:31.57 | ravenbird | bjason: You are moron #62 |
| 05:32.17 | bjason | so i just have to try the other ones to figure out which one is the radeon? |
| 05:32.33 | bjason | btw..the other ones are voodoo cards |
| 05:32.34 | SimonRaven | well, it should tell you... |
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| 05:32.41 | doleyb | bjason: don't the lspci text have enough so you can tell it apart? |
| 05:32.43 | bjason | hrmm |
| 05:32.51 | peterS | bjason: lspci will say what a given card is. voodoo vs. radeon should be easy to spot |
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| 05:33.34 | SimonRaven | and if you built old-style /proc/pci support, you can cat that... |
| 05:33.36 | trym | doleyb/peterS: It should be mentioned Im using two different graphic adapters. One nvidia Geforce 6600GT, dual DVI and an ATI card for my third monitor |
| 05:33.55 | trym | doleyb/peters: another thing.. seems to lag less if Im using vesa heh |
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| 05:34.15 | prodegy | Hey |
| 05:34.18 | jesus | Someone to installed the steam with cedega? |
| 05:34.21 | prodegy | My computer wont let me switch to Gnome for some reason |
| 05:34.22 | peterS | trym: yeah, I have no idea in that case. I don't run multihead, I have no experience |
| 05:35.09 | prodegy | Peter5 I am running college Linux I downloaded it from www.linuxiso.org, however I cannot get my login to let me change to Gnome Theme is there any other way? |
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| 05:35.33 | peterS | prodegy: never heard of college linux, ask someone else |
| 05:35.48 | prodegy | Anyone in here ever used College Linux? |
| 05:36.10 | prodegy | Wait you've never used college linux yet your using there server? |
| 05:36.26 | deadcat | how do i show line number in OO.org? (= |
| 05:36.26 | prodegy | go to http://collegelinux.org |
| 05:36.39 | jesus | Someone to installed the steam with cedega in debian? |
| 05:36.54 | bjason | What if RADEON isn't an option as a driver? I'm assuming you guys meant ati? |
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| 05:37.06 | peterS | prodegy: huh? whose server? |
| 05:37.14 | prodegy | NeverMind |
| 05:37.45 | prodegy | I am going for a smoke I will be back in about ten minutes. |
| 05:38.00 | peterS | bjason: yeah, the driver you pick from the list is called 'ati', it internally loads another driver called 'radeon' |
| 05:38.13 | peterS | bjason: so when I said radeon I meant the one that's actually driving the hardware, not the one you pick from the list (: |
| 05:38.14 | bjason | got it |
| 05:38.33 | bjason | i'm a noob..i'm learning these things |
| 05:38.46 | peterS | no, that's a legitimate question |
| 05:39.39 | peterS | no reason you should have known that ati is just sort of a wrapper driver for 'radeon' and 'r128' (for the old Rage 128 series of cards) |
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| 05:40.24 | bjason | BINGO' |
| 05:40.27 | peterS | actually I guess 'ati' also directly drives the even older Mach 64 cards |
| 05:40.28 | bjason | i got it working |
| 05:40.31 | peterS | cool |
| 05:40.34 | bjason | thanks |
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| 05:41.52 | bjason | now, i have fluxbox installed and i wrote exec /etc/X11/fluxbox to an /.xinitrc file |
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| 05:42.02 | bjason | but it doesn't seem to boot up |
| 05:42.06 | bjason | with x |
| 05:42.14 | bjason | is there something i'm missing |
| 05:42.19 | jm_ | don't use .xinitrc |
| 05:42.21 | bjason | oh |
| 05:42.24 | peterS | bjason: most likely you want to exec 'fluxbox' by itself, not in /etc/X11 |
| 05:42.27 | jm_ | and your path is wrong |
| 05:42.31 | jm_ | use just fluxbox |
| 05:42.35 | bjason | oh ok |
| 05:43.03 | bjason | and i dont want to use .xinitrc? how do i boot it then? |
| 05:43.27 | peterS | .xsession is the preferred file for, effectively, the same purpose |
| 05:43.48 | bjason | do i need to create that file? |
| 05:43.52 | peterS | they're technically used for different purposes, but in this day and age you can think of them as the same thing |
| 05:44.22 | peterS | you can just 'mv .xinitrc .xsession' and go from there |
| 05:45.22 | bjason | peterS, it seems to keep giving me the wrong wm |
| 05:45.34 | prodegy | peter5 When I try and Run GAIM on my linux it says I need ssl Support any ideas? |
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| 05:45.47 | jetx | greetings earthlings |
| 05:45.51 | peterS | bjason: should also be an executable file. so like 'chmod +x .xsession' and make sure the first line of the file is "#!/bin/sh" |
| 05:46.06 | doleyb | prodegy: install debian, then "apt-get install gaim", and it should be fine. |
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| 05:46.22 | prodegy | Where do I get debian? |
| 05:46.35 | bjason | peterS: yeah, duh..okay makes sense |
| 05:46.59 | jetx | at debian.org, strangely enough |
| 05:47.04 | prodegy | Im Sorry |
| 05:47.07 | jetx | np |
| 05:47.10 | prodegy | Didnt reallize that was a Link :$ |
| 05:47.11 | jetx | i'm an asshole |
| 05:47.14 | doleyb | prodegy: i am joking, don't install debian unless you want to. |
| 05:47.18 | prodegy | I feel like an idiot now |
| 05:47.20 | prodegy | Whats Debian |
| 05:47.25 | prodegy | I dont know what it is |
| 05:47.27 | jetx | ok |
| 05:47.30 | prodegy | I just came in here for help |
| 05:47.34 | jetx | help with what |
| 05:47.37 | doleyb | prodegy: I'm just saying, you have collegelinux which is a slackware distrib. So #debian won't know about how it work. |
| 05:47.45 | jetx | ah |
| 05:48.00 | prodegy | What Linux are you guys using? |
| 05:48.02 | jetx | try #slackware |
| 05:48.05 | jetx | debian |
| 05:48.08 | jetx | !doh |
| 05:48.08 | dpkg | it has been said that doh is what homer simpson says when sid crashes |
| 05:48.23 | jetx | !debian |
| 05:48.23 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 05:49.17 | doleyb | prodegy: unless you had a special reason for "collegelinux", try debian or knoppix or ubuntu. ubuntu is pretty nice for newbie. |
| 05:50.01 | bjason | peterS: seems as though it doesn't like fluxbox |
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| 05:50.28 | peterS | bjason: I don't even have fluxbox installed, so I can't help you there |
| 05:50.39 | bjason | okay |
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| 05:50.47 | bjason | what do you use? |
| 05:51.00 | peterS | at the moment, ion3. but also a lot of vga text mode |
| 05:51.10 | bjason | aite.. |
| 05:51.20 | peterS | text mode is easier on my eyes. but ion3 lets me see more things on the screen at a time |
| 05:51.22 | jetx | ok. i have a glitchbug i found with the rtc.ko vs genrtc.ko (generic real time clock / high precision rtc iirc). something that loads in the kernel calls genrtc, before /etc/modules is parsed... however, snd-rtctimer depends on rtc. and if genrtc is loaded, snd-rtctimer won't load. i have a workaround for it, but what i wanna know is what do i file a bug report on, or how do i find out what it is that loads genrtc before the other stuf |
| 05:51.24 | peterS | so I switch back and forth |
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| 05:51.46 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone here own a Mac mini or a mini mac or whatever? |
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| 05:52.53 | foo | I am in debian sarge, trying to make this kernel. I have a working .config file, but when I try to make oldconfig I get this: scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration ... scripts/kconfig/lkc.h:63: error: previous declaration of 'current_menu' was here ... make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/mconf.o] Error 1 ... make: *** [oldconfig] Error 2 - any ideas? |
| 05:53.06 | tarzeau | foo: which kernel? |
| 05:53.17 | foo | tarzeau: 2.6.8 |
| 05:53.48 | tarzeau | foo: if you wanted 2.4.31 i've got a nice .config, gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ |
| 05:54.00 | jetx | don't make oldconfig, put the .config in the dir and do make menuconfig... old is a pita |
| 05:54.19 | jetx | oh and it's not listed with lsmod |
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| 05:54.25 | jetx | so wtf |
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| 05:54.48 | eeyore- | what's wrong with oldconfig? |
| 05:55.00 | foo | jetx: hmm, does make menuconfig take the config options of .config ? |
| 05:55.07 | foo | (i want to use this .config) |
| 05:55.11 | eeyore- | foo: it does, but you won't know what's new/changed |
| 05:55.20 | jetx | yes and integrates the new ones nicely... but there is that^^ |
| 05:55.33 | foo | eeyore-: hmm, thanks. |
| 05:55.40 | jetx | old config asks you questions but finding the answers is a pian |
| 05:55.43 | jetx | pain |
| 05:55.47 | jetx | when there's new ones |
| 05:56.13 | eeyore- | foo: if you don't "make oldconfig", you might miss some new features you might want. |
| 05:56.23 | jetx | do it eeyore- 's way |
| 05:56.30 | jetx | more doubleplusgood |
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| 05:57.16 | jetx | i go through the sonofa everytime |
| 05:57.27 | eeyore- | foo: if you're on, say, gentoo :-) and you're going from -r<n> to -r<n+1> then there's no real reason to do "oldconfig" |
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| 05:57.48 | foo | eeyore-: :P |
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| 05:58.11 | foo | jetx: heh, make menuconfig gives me the same thing |
| 05:58.24 | jm_ | are you using gcc 3.3? |
| 05:58.26 | bjason | My system insists on running TWM instead of fluxbox..any ideas? |
| 05:58.29 | jm_ | well 3.x anyway |
| 05:58.37 | jm_ | bjason: how are you starting X? |
| 05:58.40 | foo | MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.3" make menuconfig && MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.3" make-kpkg --revision=linux.2.6.8 kernel_image --initrd |
| 05:58.43 | foo | jm_: ^^ - yes |
| 05:58.44 | bjason | "startx" |
| 05:58.46 | tarzeau | bjason: see /etc/alternatives for x-window-manager |
| 05:58.55 | tarzeau | bjason: or use .xsession in your home, as in www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ |
| 05:58.58 | jm_ | startx honours ~/.xsession |
| 05:59.09 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 05:59.09 | dpkg | <florian> how can i make sound faster and more stable? <greycat> sound? *faster*? <greycat> you want to hear chipmunks? |
| 05:59.18 | bjason | jm_: i tried that, didn't work |
| 05:59.26 | jm_ | bjason: it works just fine |
| 05:59.27 | foo | jm_: Any ideas? |
| 05:59.35 | Bac9 | what's on ports 1026/1027/1028 udp that keep hitting my fierwall? |
| 05:59.43 | jetx | bjason: is this with startx, or a dm? |
| 05:59.48 | bjason | startx |
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| 05:59.57 | |ryan| | Bac9: windows messaging service |
| 05:59.58 | jm_ | foo: not really, it works fine for me with gcc 3.3 and 2.6.12.5 |
| 06:00.02 | bjason | i prefer not to use a dm |
| 06:00.06 | tarzeau | Bac9: run ngrep port 1026 and find out |
| 06:00.16 | tarzeau | bjason: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 06:00.17 | Bac9 | |ryan|: on all three? |
| 06:00.17 | jetx | and update-alternatives did nothing for you |
| 06:00.18 | jm_ | what did you put in ~/.xsession? |
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| 06:00.24 | jetx | he has no dm |
| 06:00.26 | |ryan| | Bac9: drop it early, it's just mornons trying to send you winpopup spam. |
| 06:00.41 | bjason | jm_: first line is #!/bin/sh |
| 06:00.46 | jetx | ahh |
| 06:00.47 | Bac9 | tarzeau: you expect me to run an app on my box and find out what other boxes on the net are running? |
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| 06:00.53 | bjason | jm_: second line is exec fluxbox |
| 06:01.05 | jetx | i never jacked with my .xsession, it justworked(tm)\ |
| 06:01.07 | tarzeau | Bac9: sure |
| 06:01.07 | jm_ | bjason: and what's in ~/.xsession-errors when it exits? |
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| 06:01.20 | Bac9 | |ryan|: yeah that's what I am thinking to do, but just wanted to know which ports, can you point me at some docs for those ports? |
| 06:01.25 | bjason | let me look |
| 06:01.35 | jm_ | Bac9: look at Seifried's page |
| 06:06.26 | tarzeau | |ryan|: it's possible in some cases |
| 06:06.26 | bjason | jm_: that file doesn't exist |
| 06:06.27 | Bac9 | tarzeau: don't even have ngrep |
| 06:06.27 | tarzeau | Bac9: install it |
| 06:06.27 | Bac9 | jm_: url please |
| 06:06.27 | jm_ | bjason: uhm, startx &> foo, then paste file foo (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 06:06.27 | jm_ | Bac9: bah, google it |
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| 06:06.27 | |ryan| | Bac9: I know that's what 1026 is, donno about 1027/1028, windows uses a portmapper for some stuff, and the common ports it uses get spammed |
| 06:06.27 | Bac9 | |ryan|: my syslog is filling up with those three ports quite fast |
| 06:06.27 | |ryan| | portmappers are stupid..... |
| 06:06.28 | Bac9 | jm_: what am I looking for on his page? |
| 06:06.28 | bjason | i do get an error saying "cant find xkb keymap...." |
| 06:06.28 | jm_ | Bac9: TCP-IP ports, TCP-UDP ports and ICMP codes |
| 06:06.28 | jm_ | ignore that error |
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| 06:06.28 | peterS | |ryan|: how are portmappers stupid? |
| 06:06.28 | bjason | i saw that earlier, but couldn't figure out what to do with it |
| 06:06.28 | peterS | |ryan|: how would you solve the same problem? |
| 06:06.28 | kadigibox | Question: I am planning on makeing a duplicator but I dont want to pay for SCSI. with the new IDE cables can you master/slave drives that are burning simaltaniously or should you just run them individualy all as master. If running all as master is there a way to avoid the whole thing of skiping letters like hda, hdc, hde, ect.... |
| 06:06.28 | Bac9 | jm_: ah found that |
| 06:06.28 | Bac9 | jm_: oh, I've seen this page before, nothing helpfull |
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| 06:06.29 | MaxPower | hey does anyone have a good mirror for the debian full dvd iso? |
| 06:06.29 | jm_ | yes, there's nothing useful on his pages ... |
| 06:06.29 | |ryan| | Bac9: just drop the packets instead of logging them. random worms, spammers and script kiddies looking commonly abusable services tend to put a lot of junk in firewall logs |
| 06:06.29 | Bac9 | jm_: it doesn't say anything about udp ports |
| 06:06.29 | sep | MaxPower, look at therse http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 06:06.29 | MaxPower | cheers |
| 06:06.29 | Bac9 | |ryan|: yeah that's what I intend to do, just want to get some solid info of what it is I'll be dropping, hence coming here to find out what runs on those ports |
| 06:06.29 | sep | MaxPower, cant garantee the dvd's available on everyone, but it's a start |
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| 06:06.36 | jm_ | Bac9: actually it does |
| 06:06.42 | |ryan| | peterS: I'd put services on assigned ports. makes firewalling the stuff a sane task without having to block port ranges |
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| 06:06.55 | Bac9 | jm_: just tcp |
| 06:07.10 | jm_ | Bac9: no, it lists IANA assigned ports |
| 06:07.16 | |ryan| | Bac9: You'll probably want to google. there's some databases of that stuff to, one is run by a guy named kurt |
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| 06:07.43 | Bac9 | jm_: yes, and it shows what uses them, and those ports only have tcp listings |
| 06:07.55 | |ryan| | http://www.seifried.org/security/ports/ |
| 06:08.06 | jm_ | Bac9: blah, at least read the page |
| 06:08.07 | Bac9 | |ryan|: I tried googling, just got references to IANA lists |
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| 06:08.48 | |ryan| | http://www.linklogger.com/UDP1026.htm |
| 06:08.58 | |ryan| | Bac9: check that page |
| 06:09.26 | jm_ | that's exactly what Seifried's page lists but he says it doesn't |
| 06:09.33 | jm_ | that's because he didn't bother reading it |
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| 06:11.50 | pmallapp | anyway i can find ia32 cross tool chain for amd64 host |
| 06:12.22 | muaddib | In the 2.6 kernerl has anyone had problem mounting usb based storage devices. I am trying to connect a usb drive. And from proc it seems that it recoginizes the device it sets it to /dev/sda but when I try to view the partition table with cfdisk it says cannot open disk drive but PROC sees it |
| 06:12.30 | muaddib | any thoughts |
| 06:12.35 | Bac9 | |ryan|: thanx |
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| 06:13.34 | alistair | i've just started up my computer and i got the error OSS Device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program.. it normally works and it clearly isnt |
| 06:13.47 | peterS | muaddib: you may need the sd_mod kernel module in addition to the usb-storage module |
| 06:13.52 | peterS | muaddib: sd_mod means scsi disks |
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| 06:14.16 | peterS | muaddib: the test is whether the device shows up in /proc/partitions - if it does, you've got sd_mod loaded |
| 06:15.06 | muaddib | peterS: I have it compiled into the kernel the sd_mod well actually all my scsi modules our compiled in not modules is that wrong |
| 06:15.11 | sparr_ | if i restart kdm will it kill X? |
| 06:15.24 | peterS | muaddib: it does make it harder to pinpoint the problem when you get issues like this |
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| 06:15.28 | muaddib | peterS: all my usb drivers our compuled as modules |
| 06:15.38 | k-man | is there any game pads that work under linux? |
| 06:15.44 | k-man | usb ones preferably? |
| 06:15.49 | sparr_ | k-man: all of them? |
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| 06:15.54 | jm_ | k-man: sure |
| 06:15.55 | peterS | muaddib: what kernel version? 2.6.8 and 2.6.11 are quite different in regard to what I'll say next |
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| 06:16.00 | sparr_ | the last two no-name pads ive gotten from wal-mart work fine |
| 06:16.11 | k-man | sparr_, oh really? |
| 06:16.12 | k-man | ok |
| 06:16.12 | k-man | cook |
| 06:16.14 | k-man | cool |
| 06:16.24 | muaddib | peterS: I take it you recommend that I compile the sd_mod as a module |
| 06:16.25 | k-man | are they all usb these days? I haven't looked at such things for about 10 years |
| 06:16.33 | muaddib | peterS: I am running 2.6.12 |
| 06:16.59 | jm_ | k-man: pretty much yes |
| 06:17.06 | k-man | ah, ok |
| 06:17.08 | k-man | cool |
| 06:17.17 | k-man | anything I should look out for on them? |
| 06:17.28 | k-man | anything special so it works with zsnes? |
| 06:17.28 | peterS | muaddib: hmm, seems debian kernels don't include the 'ub' module. but I guess your kernel is self-compiled? |
| 06:17.34 | pmg | if i mount a drive with mount -a, will it mount automatically on startup |
| 06:17.49 | muaddib | peterS: yes it is |
| 06:17.50 | jm_ | dunno, I bought Speedlink Bullfrog gamepad |
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| 06:18.02 | peterS | muaddib: if so, you could try loading the 'ub' module after unloading 'usb-storage'. ub is an alternative driver for the same hardware, which doesn't rely on the SCSI layer. ub is much simpler than usb-storage, but also much slower |
| 06:18.19 | jm_ | pmg: not necessarily |
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| 06:18.44 | pmg | how can i assure for that. ive edited the /dev/fstab |
| 06:18.48 | jm_ | pmg: actually it seems like it will work yes |
| 06:18.52 | pmg | is that enough |
| 06:18.59 | pmg | good. ill give it a try |
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| 06:19.36 | xerophyte | Does anybody know any good svn GUI for linux .. i have rapidsvn its acting wierd ??? |
| 06:20.22 | muaddib | peterS: what is the ub module. I mean what option enables the ub module when configuiring the kernel |
| 06:20.22 | doleyb | k-man: btw you can use x-box controllers as gamepads too. |
| 06:20.40 | peterS | muaddib: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB - hold on, let me tell you where to find it |
| 06:20.41 | jm_ | ub is low-performance USB storage stuff |
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| 06:21.41 | jm_ | not sure why people use it - possibly because it doesn't require SCSI? |
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| 06:21.44 | peterS | muaddib: "Device drivers" -> "Block devices" -> "Low Performance USB Block driver" |
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| 06:22.04 | peterS | jm_: doesn't require scsi, and I've seen USB flash drives or whatever that usb-storage didn't work correctly with |
| 06:22.18 | k-man | doleyb, oh... cool... i don't have any though |
| 06:22.18 | peterS | jm_: usb-storage is a bit fragile, sometimes ub works better |
| 06:22.20 | jm_ | peterS: must be top quality products ;) |
| 06:22.26 | peterS | yeah |
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| 06:22.51 | jm_ | I noticed Pete Zaitcev is commenting a lot about UB on his blog |
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| 06:23.28 | peterS | muaddib: when you've compiled and loaded ub, you will probably need to 'cd /dev; MAKEDEV ub' so you have /dev/uba and friends |
| 06:23.40 | muaddib | peterS: I recompiling now wish me luck will let you know what happens |
| 06:23.43 | jm_ | so that's it's probably not sda for him |
| 06:23.45 | peterS | muaddib: unless you're running udev, which I guess will probably do that for you |
| 06:23.53 | jm_ | that's why even |
| 06:24.24 | peterS | jm_: /dev/uba had an unfortunate history where in kernel 2.6.8 or 2.6.9 they used a temporary major number, then changed it to a permanent one in the next kernel release |
| 06:24.58 | peterS | (it's now major number 180) |
| 06:25.05 | jm_ | peterS: heh I remember when folks started asking about ub* devices in #debian, I guess it's when they started using udev |
| 06:25.14 | emergo | when I mount samba(linux-server, debian), from mac I only get 11.5gb though the disk has 45gb free. WHY ? |
| 06:25.20 | muaddib | peterS: I did install udev but I was not able to get proc to display the partition table of /dev/sda just the actual disk itsef |
| 06:25.45 | peterS | jm_: well, debian makedev did not support /dev/uba* for a long time, precisely because the major number was known to be temporary. now it does so we're all happy |
| 06:26.15 | peterS | muaddib: some USB storage devices do not have partition tables. just like floppy disks don't. you might have one of those. if you want, you can partition it, but you don't have to. |
| 06:27.18 | jm_ | I remember wanting to have extended partition with logical drive on my USB flash drive, worked fine in Linux, but stupid Windows didn't recognize it |
| 06:27.20 | peterS | muaddib: in fact, that might be your only problem - the device didn't come with a partition table, but otherwise works fine. perhaps you can just mount /dev/sda as some filesystem |
| 06:28.20 | peterS | jm_: heh |
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| 06:28.32 | muaddib | peterS: Well on a fedora box (not my box) I was able to get it to work using the 2.4 kernel, but now I was trying to get it to under my system |
| 06:28.55 | peterS | muaddib: like I said - most of these things are given a partition table before you buy them, but some are not |
| 06:30.12 | sep | jm_, you seriously expected it to ? did the same for a large usbstick that way i had a 'private' area that my coworkers didnt have to mess up, they often just wiped the drive when needint to move that critical data. all om them imagined i had a wrongly labeled usb stick since it only had half the storage... |
| 06:30.23 | muaddib | peterS: the partition table was not defined I created it on the fedora system in question |
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| 06:31.09 | peterS | muaddib: oh ok. so it should be there. I wonder why it finds sda but not the partition table, then |
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| 06:31.31 | peterS | sep: haha |
| 06:32.03 | jm_ | sep: sure I did |
| 06:32.04 | peterS | sep: I suppose an ext2 formatted partition would have a similar effect, even if windows could see it |
| 06:32.12 | sep | they still make fun of me for not getting what i paied for... |
| 06:32.27 | jm_ | hehe |
| 06:32.49 | muaddib | peterS: I agree that's why I debating if this is an issue with 2.6 kernel vs 2.4 since I configured this under 2.4 |
| 06:32.59 | sep | peterS, yes :) |
| 06:33.20 | peterS | muaddib: well, this is one reason it's nice to have both usb-storage and ub |
| 06:33.32 | sep | 3 usb sticks in raid5.. you think anyone could get anything sensible out of it on a windows ? |
| 06:33.32 | peterS | muaddib: if it's a kernel 2.4 vs 2.6 driver issue, I expect ub will work |
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| 06:35.13 | jm_ | isn't UB much slower or has it picked up on speed lately? |
| 06:35.20 | muaddib | peterS: well I more than willing to try I just wish I had a faster processor to compile the kernel, but trying it know it should take about 15 minutes |
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| 06:38.10 | Raiden | hello |
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| 06:38.24 | Raiden | i have a problem with my apt-get and freeswan |
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| 06:38.31 | Raiden | it keeps blocking my apt-get |
| 06:38.42 | Raiden | it seems not good removed last time |
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| 06:38.57 | Raiden | and now it keeps complaining i need to reinstall it |
| 06:39.13 | Raiden | but i don't need it and just wanna move on |
| 06:39.35 | Raiden | i would paste the error here but its in dutch |
| 06:40.48 | pwned | if I need to customize a package's configure options, is there an automated way of doing that in debian? apt-src can download, build, install but I don't see an option to configure during build |
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| 06:42.46 | tracysun | hi |
| 06:42.46 | tracysun | anyone here |
| 06:43.06 | sep | tracysun, your joking right ? |
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| 06:45.27 | tracysun | i want to know how to operate a serial port on debian |
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| 06:46.06 | doleyb | tracysun: echo stuff > /dev/ttyS0 |
| 06:46.22 | jm_ | tracysun: operate it in what way? |
| 06:46.36 | sep | tracysun, a bit more detail might get you a long way |
| 06:48.04 | sep | tracysun, do you want to dial a modem on a serial port, user the serial port as a console for your computer, use the serialport to network to another computer directly, use a serial port to interface 'odd hardware with console port', we can only begin to guess. |
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| 06:49.46 | tracysun | i connect a lite5200 board to my pc via a serial port ,i want to know what's contain in the board |
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| 06:50.02 | Raiden | tracysun, use minicom |
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| 06:51.43 | tracysun | how to use |
| 06:51.43 | tracysun | do i need some any software to operate |
| 06:51.43 | tracysun | what's minicom |
| 06:52.06 | cmihai | whatis minicom :) |
| 06:52.17 | cmihai | better, man minicom |
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| 06:54.06 | tracysun | Raiden,how to |
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| 06:55.04 | sep | tracysun, minicom is a terminal program (like hyperterminal but sane), install it like any other program apt-get install .... |
| 06:55.22 | Raiden | and type minicom -s to start a new setup |
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| 06:56.03 | ircdevil | good morning |
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| 06:58.08 | tracysun | when i install it,i can operate the serial port,right? |
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| 06:58.20 | cmihai | that's the idea. |
| 06:58.21 | Kupal[]_ | I rm(ed) mail.* in /var/log, then touched mail.log mail.err mail.war .. perms and ownerships the same but no logs.. anyone? |
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| 06:58.32 | tracysun | good afternoon |
| 06:58.33 | cmihai | You still need to google some data about that lite5200 board though. |
| 06:58.42 | jm_ | Kupal[]_: restart whatever had those files opened |
| 06:59.10 | bob2 | ie sysklogd |
| 06:59.37 | Kupal[]_ | doing a reboot. |
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| 07:00.17 | jm_ | heh |
| 07:00.24 | bob2 | that's excessive and a bad habit |
| 07:00.35 | jm_ | just like removing files like that is |
| 07:02.40 | TheStick | howdy |
| 07:03.18 | mwilson | ooooh, pysol is finally upgradeable |
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| 07:11.01 | launch | Hi how to detect all wifi network my card are able to reach? which tools allow me to scan please |
| 07:11.09 | launch | the easiest |
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| 07:11.48 | bob2 | kismet |
| 07:11.48 | jethro | launch: iwlist <iface> scan |
| 07:11.52 | launch | jethro THANKS ! |
| 07:12.21 | launch | jethro the scan stop when he got an answer or ? |
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| 07:12.40 | jethro | launch: the scan stops when all channels have been cycled |
| 07:13.33 | launch | jethro so if the 11 channel is a common channel i need to change it to got the chance to find another one with this channel? |
| 07:14.02 | hid3 | Morning everyone.. I own a router which serves internet connection for about 800 users on the lan.. I need to monitor each user's traffic (in and out) individually. How this can be done? (using iptables the interrupt hits nearly 100% of cpu) |
| 07:14.28 | jethro | launch: man iwlist /scan |
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| 07:19.10 | ____p765 | hey guys ! i installed ssh with debian and i cant login from my other pc, is there anything else i should do to get it started and/or working ? |
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| 07:22.08 | Fleck | linuxnewb sure - try apt-get install ssh :) |
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| 07:23.14 | phyrster | how do you call those users in irc with a @ in from of their names? |
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| 07:23.34 | phyrster | like here: @debhelper |
| 07:23.36 | Fleck | ops |
| 07:23.37 | phyrster | channel operator or what? |
| 07:23.44 | Fleck | yep |
| 07:23.44 | phyrster | Fleck: ops stands for? |
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| 07:23.50 | Fleck | Operator |
| 07:23.53 | Fleck | OP |
| 07:23.57 | Fleck | @ = OP |
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| 07:24.14 | Fleck | when you give it to some1 - you type /op nickname :) |
| 07:24.14 | phyrster | Fleck: I see. thanks. Last year there are about 5-6 ops in this channel. |
| 07:24.16 | phillipsjk | hid3: does each user consistently use the same ip address? If users can move from work station to work station it may be dificult. As far sa I know, most routers have no concept of "users". |
| 07:24.28 | phyrster | where are they now? |
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| 07:25.17 | Fleck | phyrster they are here ... but without OP, because of spammers, they sometimes don't spam to OPs |
| 07:25.51 | trym | Im trying to get my plextor dvd burner working.. can anyone have a look at http://pastebin.com/344785 |
| 07:26.02 | Fleck | so they stays in here without, and spamer dosn't know which one is OP :) |
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| 07:26.21 | phyrster | Fleck: you mean to avoid spams they un-op themselves? |
| 07:26.46 | Fleck | not avoid but to detect and ban them ... |
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| 07:27.11 | Fleck | to fight agaisnt them ... |
| 07:28.02 | SimonRaven | that's not why. read FAQ at www.freenode.net |
| 07:28.26 | Fleck | also ... |
| 07:28.29 | SimonRaven | it ends up as a side-effect however |
| 07:28.56 | Fleck | :) |
| 07:30.09 | phyrster | Fleck: last years there were huge amount of bans and kicks in #debian. |
| 07:30.20 | phyrster | when did the situation look up? |
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| 07:30.54 | SimonRaven | ok, ask a question and the client quits. convenient ;) |
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| 07:31.00 | Fleck | :)) |
| 07:31.04 | launch | lol |
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| 07:31.14 | phyrster | Fleck: sorry. wrong shortcut key |
| 07:31.18 | Fleck | ;p |
| 07:31.20 | phyrster | Fleck: did I get your answer? |
| 07:31.28 | Fleck | nope |
| 07:31.38 | phyrster | Fleck: will I ? |
| 07:31.47 | SimonRaven | ok, ask a question and the client quits. convenient ;) |
| 07:31.48 | phillipsjk | phyrster: we were just talking about you.. |
| 07:32.21 | Fleck | well freenode is working on that... bot detectors, proxys etc... |
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| 07:32.48 | phyrster | SimonRaven: convenient? |
| 07:32.52 | launch | what is the wifi channel |
| 07:33.02 | Xybernaut | hi, i install new apache, php4 and mysql version.. but i run http://localhost/phpmyadmin i see this error message for browser: cannot load mysql extension; "please check PHP configuration" why? |
| 07:33.13 | phyrster | SimonRaven: I meant to do /windows close but I typed /quit |
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| 07:35.46 | zcat_ | nick zcat[1] |
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| 07:36.13 | zcat[1] | ahh stuff it |
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| 07:36.19 | zcat[1] | hi all. |
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| 07:39.38 | SimonRaven | experimenting? |
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| 07:40.56 | SimonRaven | experiment result: failed |
| 07:41.08 | Fr0Gs | hey all wheres this floopy disk i can download for the installation |
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| 07:41.52 | TheStick | Fr0Gs: probably on your desk :D |
| 07:42.02 | TheStick | did you take a look on debian.org? |
| 07:42.13 | SimonRaven | start at www.debian.org. try looking for floppy, and not floopy, and you'll have better luck finding them ;) |
| 07:42.42 | Fr0Gs | Download a minimal bootable CD image (or a couple of floppy disk images). Are you sure you really need the full CDs? You can just get the basic installation system - it will download the rest of the distribution if and when needed during the installation. |
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| 07:42.52 | Fr0Gs | i clicked on a couple of floppy disks |
| 07:43.29 | SimonRaven | what do you mean by "i clicked on a couple of floppy disks" ? |
| 07:44.35 | linuxnewb | Fleck: thats exactly what i did |
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| 07:45.16 | Fleck | linuxnewb does sshd works ? |
| 07:45.22 | linuxnewb | Fleck: when i try to log i get some error: remote system refused the connection .. |
| 07:45.23 | Fleck | (telnet localhost 22) |
| 07:45.34 | phillipsjk | Fr0Gs: you need to use a special utility to write the image to a disk. I believe there is a directory with "rawrite" in it. |
| 07:45.48 | linuxnewb | yes it works |
| 07:46.50 | SimonRaven | the dir is utils/ or tools/ IIRC |
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| 07:47.01 | linuxnewb | well it says connect to localhost ssh 2.0-openssh_4... and it seems freezed |
| 07:47.19 | linuxnewb | anything i type from there gets me a protocal mismatch msg |
| 07:47.33 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.01 | SimonRaven | wel yeh. but it works... you're using telnet which doesn't have the required stuffs to "go all the way" |
| 07:48.48 | linuxnewb | how come i cant log from my other box then ? |
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| 07:49.09 | SimonRaven | ssh -v |
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| 07:51.22 | nimak | is there a linux command for printing the amount of ram? |
| 07:51.41 | SimonRaven | free |
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| 07:52.15 | linuxnewb | ok i did ssh -v localhost and i get Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). |
| 07:52.18 | nimak | thanks |
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| 07:53.20 | SimonRaven | won't let you login - check your sshd_config |
| 07:53.54 | eXistenZ | what is the best dictionary for linux? |
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| 07:54.10 | SimonRaven | !best |
| 07:54.10 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 07:54.23 | eXistenZ | erm |
| 07:54.41 | eXistenZ | English dictionary which includes lots of idioms, expressions, etc. |
| 07:54.59 | phillipsjk | heh |
| 07:55.04 | SimonRaven | i use dict client, dictd and some dictionaries |
| 07:55.37 | SimonRaven | there's gnome applets, and other stuff to do lookups to various public servers |
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| 08:00.21 | linuxnewb | SimonRaven: where can i get a sshd_config working template ? |
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| 08:01.04 | linuxnewb | i mean i dunno whats *wrong* with the ssh_config file im a noob.. looks oke to me :P |
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| 08:01.50 | phillipsjk | linuxnewb: It may be set up to *not* work out of the box. you may need to uncomment something. |
| 08:02.11 | SimonRaven | well, you'll need to allow pam auth, since i don't see it listed. try adding 'UsePAM yes' to the file. and i said sshd_config |
| 08:02.27 | SimonRaven | also, disable root logins |
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| 08:03.44 | Cope | ...mightier than MaxSidedSword? |
| 08:04.00 | MaxSizedPenis | hehe u betcha ;) |
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| 08:07.28 | Wilf | i get the errors "no symbols found" and "fatal server error: no screens found" errors when i try to start x |
| 08:07.32 | Wilf | any ideas? |
| 08:07.38 | Internat | any bluez users in here? |
| 08:07.54 | wers_ | wilf, are u sure its using the right xf86config? |
| 08:08.05 | Wilf | it's a brand new fresh install |
| 08:08.10 | wers_ | Internat yes,. |
| 08:08.20 | wers_ | wilf sarge? |
| 08:08.23 | ircdevil | say, what versions of mysql is shippeded with sarge? both 3 and 4? |
| 08:08.26 | Internat | wers, ever had the problem that it is always tryhing to pair with the device before it can send anything? |
| 08:08.32 | Wilf | noob it down a bit for me please? |
| 08:08.45 | Coke | Wilf: what version of Debian? |
| 08:08.46 | wers_ | Internat ; no sorry mine works |
| 08:08.49 | Wilf | oh |
| 08:08.52 | Wilf | yeah, sarge |
| 08:08.53 | Internat | am trying to do an obexfile transfer and its always trying to pair.. and it shouldnt.. atleast im pretty sure it shouldnt |
| 08:09.51 | eXistenZ | how can I take a screenshot of my desktop ? |
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| 08:09.58 | Coke | Wilf: there's probably some errors before the "no symbols found" error, can you see any? |
| 08:10.08 | wers_ | wilf. when u run xXF86config i writes to a file xf86config or xf86config-4 probably its writing to the first and X tries to read the second,... u can try renaming your xf86config to xf86config-4, backup the old first, |
| 08:10.27 | Wilf | ok |
| 08:10.31 | Wilf | coke, let me see |
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| 08:10.48 | ircdevil | hmmmmm - where did mysql go? init script is in place, but mysqld is not running and cannot be restarted. prolly leftovers from upgrade |
| 08:10.53 | Coke | Wilf: cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 08:11.00 | CAiRO | hi |
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| 08:11.11 | ircdevil | yup. server not installed :oP |
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| 08:11.46 | Wilf | thanks coke, i was abotu to say |
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| 08:12.24 | CAiRO | i usually keep my computer running all day.. but the last two days, when i tried to log in in the morning, the computer was crashed and didn't react anymore. i assume it's some kind of hardware problem but how can i find out where it is? there aren't any messages in syslog etc. to see where the crash comes from |
| 08:12.31 | Kupal[]_ | anyone running sasl with postfix im dying here. |
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| 08:13.16 | Vibes | Hi there! I installed testing with 2.6.11-k7 kernel but I need kernel source for module building... But kernel-source-2.6.11.deb seems not to exist... I'm sure there's a good reason but could someone tell me how should I do? |
| 08:13.17 | phillipsjk | CAiRO: do you have physical access to the computer? |
| 08:13.30 | Kupal[]_ | im no longer getting errors, still nothing in auth.log on attempts, testsaslauthd works, smtpd running in verbose, i see nothing about auth there, and trying to auth through telnet returns error. |
| 08:13.32 | CAiRO | phillipsjk: yes, i'm sitting in front of it |
| 08:13.39 | nkuttler | #fire |
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| 08:14.20 | ke6isf | ...ghod, I hate the allergy season. |
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| 08:15.03 | solars | hi, if I have a line "194.208.132.118 - - [24/Aug/2005:10:12:58 +0200]..." how can I extract only that IP adress with sed? |
| 08:15.14 | phillipsjk | CAiRO: I would suspect either a worm or failing moving part such as a fan. Was the temperature warmer than normal the last couple days? |
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| 08:15.27 | Wilf | EE: Screens found, but none with a useable configuration |
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| 08:15.52 | Wilf | EE: Vesa(0) - No matching modes |
| 08:16.04 | Coke | Wilf: there you have your problem. |
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| 08:16.16 | Coke | Wilf: fix it by adding modes supported by your driver. |
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| 08:16.20 | Wilf | same thing is S3 too |
| 08:16.22 | Wilf | with* |
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| 08:16.35 | Wilf | it's an S3 Trio 64V+ |
| 08:17.19 | CAiRO | phillipsjk: hmm, actually, i have like 4 or 5 fans + the cpu fan, the cpu temperature is normal (between 55-60C as always) are there any recent linux worms? could such a worm be able to crash the whole computer? |
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| 08:17.29 | toonx | why do i get this error when trying to run some x apps from console as root ? Error: unable to open display :0 |
| 08:17.40 | toonx | as other user it works |
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| 08:18.10 | servus | tools-lt: If you do a su -, you log into root's profile, and it clobbers the environment variables that let programs know that X is running :) |
| 08:18.27 | CAiRO | phillipsjk: well, i'm using debian, that's why i'm asking here :) |
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| 08:19.46 | SimonRaven | phillipsjk: yeh, Worm.Mydoom.AT |
| 08:20.01 | phillipsjk | CAiRO: Since I have no idea, I am looking for things that may have changed. |
| 08:20.32 | CAiRO | phillipsjk: yes, the thing is the computer runs with this configuration without any change since like 2 years |
| 08:20.37 | SimonRaven | there hasn't been any linux worms |
| 08:20.42 | phillipsjk | does anybody know how to check SMART (harddisk) information under linux? |
| 08:21.08 | CAiRO | phillipsjk: smartd |
| 08:21.21 | bob2 | there's been one in my time |
| 08:21.21 | servus | $ apt-cache search smartd |
| 08:21.21 | servus | smartmontools - control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T. |
| 08:21.27 | SimonRaven | only 2 viruses. and they're useless now. the more dangerous stuff are rootkits... but any unix are vulnerable to that, besides the usual bugs in s/w, kernel, etc. |
| 08:21.32 | servus | Use apt-cache yourself next time ;-) |
| 08:23.11 | phillipsjk | I just bring it up because the hard-disk is mechanical. |
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| 08:24.28 | eXistenZ | is it recommended to install the unstable libc6? |
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| 08:24.43 | pr0g | does UML (user-mode-linux) runs on AMD64 Debian ? |
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| 08:27.06 | jkasdn | eXistenZ: i did a few days ago, i haven't had any problems so far. |
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| 08:28.00 | ivoks | hi |
| 08:28.28 | dhp_saturn_v4 | I got a fresh install; how do I send an email ? |
| 08:28.50 | edison | Help i want to burn an .wav mono file but i have to convert it to use cdrecord but i try to convert it with sox but sox stop in the midle of the song, does it exist another way to burn that mono file ? |
| 08:29.04 | eXistenZ | jkasdn: what program would you use for kde |
| 08:29.04 | itom | there is a reason because Gnome 2.10 don't came in testing repository? |
| 08:29.35 | SimonRaven | itom: probably the C++ abi transition, and gcc 4 coming into sid/unstable |
| 08:30.13 | ke6isf | dhp_saturn_v4: probably with an email client. |
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| 08:30.33 | jkasdn | eXistenZ: i don't have kde, or any kde programs. i have a few qt programs and there seems to be some transition going in related to qt/kde libs, so i'm holding them back |
| 08:31.09 | ivoks | anyone here familliar with packaging and postrm/prerm/postinst/preinst scripts? |
| 08:31.18 | Kupal[]_ | FYI: Pix will F*up smtp auth |
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| 08:31.31 | SimonRaven | ivoks: just ask the channel |
| 08:31.50 | ivoks | ok :) |
| 08:32.19 | ivoks | i have a problem with package i builded - every time i upgrade it (dpkg -i) it overwrites configuration files |
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| 08:32.32 | ac3 | Hi |
| 08:32.40 | ivoks | that's why cause i have 'rm' in prerm script |
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| 08:32.42 | jethro | moin |
| 08:32.57 | tralala | heya |
| 08:33.23 | ac3 | I have a 2,4TB raid5 volume. Is it possible to access this from debian as 1 big partition? Wasnīt there some 2TB volume limit? |
| 08:33.46 | ivoks | how to setup scripts so postinst would create configuration file, and that file wouldn't be overwriten on upgrade? |
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| 08:34.01 | ivoks | ac3: msdos partition table can't have more than 2TB partition |
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| 08:34.28 | cat | !tb |
| 08:34.29 | dpkg | tb is, like, TeraByte! |
| 08:34.36 | ac3 | ivoks: is there a way around it? |
| 08:34.42 | SimonRaven | ivoks: it shouldn't be doing that. mark the conffiles as such. |
| 08:34.42 | tralala | ac3: it doesn't seem much like a debian question, more like linux question and even more like something that google could answer |
| 08:34.57 | tralala | ivoks: you certainly mean 2GB |
| 08:35.00 | ivoks | ac3: sure... you are creating that big partition or? |
| 08:35.00 | eye69 | ac3: There's a kernel option for big block devices. |
| 08:35.05 | ivoks | tralala: 2TB |
| 08:35.15 | Dewi | I would like to install testing from a netinst, but both the latest daily and the d-i for etch seem to be broken. Could anyone help me locate a working installer, or otherwise recommend a way to get an etch system up and running? |
| 08:35.15 | fatal_ | otoh, you can't partition software (MD) raid volumes. |
| 08:35.28 | ac3 | but the i have to compile my own kernel? |
| 08:35.35 | ivoks | SimonRaven: ok... that could be an option... |
| 08:35.41 | ivoks | ac3: yes :) |
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| 08:35.49 | ivoks | ac3: and that partition should be EFI |
| 08:35.51 | adrinux | anyone else had a problem with the mysql security update that just came out? on sarge? |
| 08:35.52 | ivoks | ac3: not msdos |
| 08:35.55 | fatal_ | ac3: I can't swear that the patches are integrated, but there have been patches to support gigantic amount of diskspace available for linux for quite som time. |
| 08:36.02 | SimonRaven | Dewi: why etch? |
| 08:36.25 | Dewi | SimonRaven: stable gets too stale, and I'm not ready for unstable. I've always run testing. |
| 08:37.02 | SimonRaven | Dewi: no, i mean why use the etch image? why not just use the sarge one, and select testing during the installation? |
| 08:37.14 | SimonRaven | it'll do etch then |
| 08:37.26 | ac3 | Iīm gonna try:) |
| 08:37.34 | ivoks | ac3: there is tutorial on net... |
| 08:37.39 | tralala | ivoks: that would be fat32 (or vfat), where msdos stands for vat16 |
| 08:37.44 | ac3 | ivoks: whatīs EFI? |
| 08:37.59 | ac3 | You have the link? |
| 08:38.35 | ivoks | tralala: msdos partition table, not partition |
| 08:38.42 | tralala | nkuttler: when one has some spare time and an extra machine that one doesn't mind scrapping |
| 08:38.49 | ivoks | ac3: i had it, but lost it... sec... |
| 08:38.57 | tralala | ivoks: ah, okay |
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| 08:39.36 | nkuttler | tralala: well, i wouldn't go as far as scrapping, but a lot of time is definitely good |
| 08:39.37 | edison | Help i want to burn an .wav mono file but i have to convert it to use cdrecord but i try to convert it with sox but sox stop in the midle of the song, does it exist another way to burn that mono file ? |
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| 08:40.04 | Dewi | SimonRaven: well, the "daily" directory only has testing images |
| 08:40.40 | tralala | nkuttler: scrapping in terms of software, of course |
| 08:41.01 | nkuttler | Dewi: but they have probably a testing installer as well, which is not a good idea, dist-upgrading a basic system is easy |
| 08:41.17 | ivoks | ac3: eh, can't find it... |
| 08:41.32 | Dewi | SimonRaven: and the etch_d-i (broken) is older than the sarge_d-i |
| 08:41.37 | ivoks | ac3: trick is to boot kernel that supports EFI and large block devices |
| 08:41.37 | nkuttler | tralala: i think i disagree, somebody ready for sid should be able to fix broken stuff :) |
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| 08:41.50 | Dewi | SimonRaven: so I didn't think a newer image would be any less broken |
| 08:41.51 | ivoks | ac3: then with parted create new efi partition table |
| 08:41.59 | ivoks | ac3: and then mount it... |
| 08:42.25 | ivoks | ac3: grub/lilo can't install on efi, so you will need another medium to boot from (cd, floppy, usb, another disk) |
| 08:42.43 | Dewi | nkuttler: you think it's worth installing stable and then doing a dist-upgrade straight away? |
| 08:42.49 | ac3 | ok |
| 08:43.08 | nkuttler | Dewi: just don't install anything on the stable system, yes |
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| 08:43.16 | ac3 | I donīt need to boot from it |
| 08:43.17 | ivoks | ac3: not an easy job |
| 08:43.37 | SimonRaven | Dewi: faulty logic, unless the sarge one is "broken" ... |
| 08:43.40 | Guerin | Dewi: that's the traditional way |
| 08:43.42 | ivoks | ac3: and... you have to use parted, fdisk is useless here |
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| 08:43.57 | nkuttler | Dewi: but honestly, i don't think there's a big difference between testing and unstable |
| 08:44.18 | wers_ | nkuttler ? |
| 08:44.27 | Guerin | nkuttler: that wins you the "utterly clueless" award for today |
| 08:44.29 | nkuttler | wers_: things break |
| 08:44.41 | Dewi | Guerin: I am getting people telling me that a lot |
| 08:44.42 | nkuttler | ah, whatever |
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| 08:44.49 | Guerin | congratulations, that's the stupidest thing I've heard anyone say in the last 24 hours! |
| 08:44.54 | wers_ | nkuttler , true but... |
| 08:44.56 | tralala | nkuttler: not necessarily, merely able to use bugreport |
| 08:45.00 | Guerin | Dewi: telling you what? |
| 08:45.00 | nkuttler | ok, you may not have a broken pam in testing, but... |
| 08:45.04 | Dewi | I've had few problems with running testing over the years, but man, the installers give me grief |
| 08:45.20 | Dewi | Guerin: that I might as well go to unstable if I'm going to risk life and limb by running testing |
| 08:45.54 | Guerin | Dewi: clearly by people who are too clueless to fix minor breakage in testing |
| 08:45.59 | wers_ | the sarge netinstall cd:s or "buissniscard" -isos has always worked for me. |
| 08:46.00 | Guerin | really |
| 08:46.01 | Guerin | that's just dumb |
| 08:46.13 | Guerin | sarge installer has worked flawlessly for me on dozens of installs |
| 08:46.21 | Guerin | plenty of different hardware, too |
| 08:46.45 | Dewi | one thing I don't really understand |
| 08:46.49 | wers_ | Discover is good stuff. |
| 08:46.58 | Guerin | only once has it failed me, and in that case, NOTHING would install except windows due to a combination if bad cd and mobo |
| 08:47.06 | Dewi | is that there's a directory there called "daily" |
| 08:47.13 | Dewi | and another one called "etch_d-i" |
| 08:47.19 | Dewi | and another one called "sarge_d-i" |
| 08:47.33 | Dewi | what's the... difference between each of these meant to be? |
| 08:47.54 | Guerin | one's a daily build, one's a d-i for etch, one's a d-i for sarge (now completed) |
| 08:47.59 | Guerin | simple, i reckon |
| 08:48.12 | Dewi | the "daily" just totally skips network config for me, it's just not there |
| 08:48.16 | Guerin | that one or more of these may not be in use at any time is hardly surprising |
| 08:48.29 | Dewi | the "etch_d-i" gets up to a point and fails because it can't find some script called "etch" |
| 08:48.32 | Guerin | Dewi: it's a daily build. It's not supposed to work. |
| 08:48.36 | dondelelcaro | the daily builds may not work at all or they may be excellent or they could delete your entire system |
| 08:48.38 | Dewi | (there are scripts in the dir for sid and sarge and I think woody) |
| 08:48.46 | Guerin | Dewi: etch hasn't been released yet. |
| 08:48.54 | Guerin | Dewi: oh, there's a sid script? |
| 08:48.58 | Guerin | wow, that IS stupid. |
| 08:49.00 | Dewi | I think so |
| 08:49.01 | dondelelcaro | unless you're working on d-i or testing d-i, you should use the sarge installer. |
| 08:49.17 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: you can install sid directly using the sarge d-i in expert mode, iirc. |
| 08:49.41 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah, i recall that was in the rcs, but was it not removed from the release version? |
| 08:50.22 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: I don't remember |
| 08:50.27 | Guerin | mind you, etch d-i is still years from release |
| 08:51.02 | SimonRaven | or rescue floppy ;) |
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| 08:52.07 | Dewi | SimonRaven, Guerin: I just totally managed to misread what both of you said. I must be even tireder than I thought. Sorry for seeming a little... dense there |
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| 08:52.32 | SimonRaven | np |
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| 08:53.28 | Dewi | (I read "sid" when you wrote "sarge" - god I wish I knew why I associate "sarge" with "unstable") |
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| 08:53.46 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 08:53.57 | Dewi | because somebody here was saying sarge has never been classed "unstable" |
| 08:54.15 | Dewi | but for some reason in my memory, years ago, unstable was sarge |
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| 08:54.33 | Dewi | :P |
| 08:54.39 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 08:55.07 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: no, sarge has never been unstable... potato was the last release to be done like that. |
| 08:55.08 | Dewi | (yeah, now I sound even crazier. I'm going to shut up now) |
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| 08:55.49 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: so I am told. |
| 08:56.37 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: the CIA wants me to believe "sarge" was never unstable, but I know the truth. |
| 08:56.46 | penny | hi body |
| 08:56.51 | Dewi | ... *that* one was a joke. |
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| 08:57.02 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: time to pull out the tinfoil hats |
| 08:57.05 | dhp_saturn_v4 | any one can help plz ? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XVMquV88.html : can not run preinstall |
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| 08:57.25 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: oh, I never remove mine. it only takes a moment of letting one's guard down. |
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| 08:57.50 | SimonRaven | mine's soldered onto my skull :P |
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| 08:58.01 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: you guys probably all take off your tinfoil hats to bathe, which is why the CIA have convinced you that sarge was never unstable. You see? yeah. |
| 08:58.13 | nkuttler | dhp_saturn_v4: man dpkg or wait for fixed packages |
| 08:58.15 | SimonRaven | hahaha |
| 08:58.55 | dhp_saturn_v4 | nkuttler: I intalled it on an other box 12h ago .... I mostly think my local tree is broken ... rather than the package itself ... |
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| 08:59.14 | nkuttler | dhp_saturn_v4: do you understand the error? |
| 08:59.24 | tds99 | c'č qualcuno che parla italiano? |
| 08:59.46 | phillipsjk | How may of you wear the tin-foil hats, but leave the case on the computer open? |
| 08:59.47 | nkuttler | !it |
| 08:59.47 | dpkg | methinks italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 09:00.01 | tds99 | thanks |
| 09:00.20 | SimonRaven | phillipsjk: *puts hand up* |
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| 09:01.19 | dhp_saturn_v4 | nkuttler: not exactly, but fact is that I installed that package on that box, but I had to delete /var/lib/dpkg ... so that files ARE installed, but dpkg is not really aware of it .... |
| 09:01.36 | nkuttler | dhp_saturn_v4: _what_ did you do? |
| 09:01.47 | dhp_saturn_v4 | nkuttler: rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg |
| 09:01.49 | SimonRaven | WHAT? |
| 09:01.53 | nkuttler | dhp_saturn_v4: reinstall |
| 09:01.59 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 09:02.01 | dhp_saturn_v4 | nkuttler: oups : mv /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/dpkg_ |
| 09:02.21 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 09:02.30 | elephantman | How can i simply get files at : http://cvs.horde.org/cvs.php/swoosh/ |
| 09:02.32 | elephantman | ? |
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| 09:02.40 | nkuttler | elephantman: wget? |
| 09:02.53 | elephantman | nkuttler: good idea - gonna try that |
| 09:03.02 | dhp_saturn_v4 | nkuttler: man, I have been installing more than 800 packages after that ... the kernel one is the only which causse trouble, because it is the only one I had install before 'mv /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/dpkg_' , and then I restaured an old archive of this dir |
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| 09:03.21 | nkuttler | elephantman: wait, that's a cvs tree, use cs |
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| 09:03.29 | nkuttler | elephantman: cvs even, read the doc on the website |
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| 09:03.51 | nkuttler | dhp_saturn_v4: i can't help you |
| 09:03.54 | dhp_saturn_v4 | nkuttler: I kept an archive of /var/lib/dpkg 2d ago, so that I could easily revert to an older conf ... one with 'fewer' packages |
| 09:04.13 | micka | what package libXfixes.so.0 ? |
| 09:04.21 | nkuttler | dhp_saturn_v4: man dpkg, search force, goodbye |
| 09:04.32 | SimonRaven | @tell micka -about search |
| 09:04.33 | nkuttler | micka: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:04.33 | elephantman | nkuttler: yes its cvs - ok well i was wondering if someone had a quick command - It could avoid me reading doc for 2 hours |
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| 09:05.09 | nkuttler | elephantman: it's rather like 5 minutes, but... |
| 09:05.31 | nkuttler | elephantman: why do you want cvs sources? |
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| 09:05.48 | penny | why not |
| 09:05.50 | elephantman | nkuttler: because its the only way this horde module is available |
| 09:05.52 | dondelelcaro | elephantman: see http://www.horde.org/source/; there is instruction there |
| 09:06.06 | dimir | Morning. |
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| 09:07.06 | bitlogic | can you give me an url explaining how to build deb packages and build an repository with those? |
| 09:07.18 | micka | nkuttler: i'm search a librarie not a package |
| 09:07.34 | micka | Updating the IM modules list for GTK+-2.6.0.../usr/bin/gtk-query-immodules-2.0: error while loading shared libraries: libXfixes.so.0 |
| 09:07.35 | nkuttler | micka: read the factoid again |
| 09:07.38 | bitlogic | for what I read I think I can do it using dpkg-buildpackage and apt-buld |
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| 09:07.48 | elephantman | dondelelcaro: i have read that but its too complicated, but thanx |
| 09:08.02 | micka | nkuttler: i have read |
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| 09:08.51 | micka | bugs.debian.org is out |
| 09:08.56 | nkuttler | micka: you need a file but don't know what packages it is in? |
| 09:09.02 | dondelelcaro | elephantman: eh? http://www.horde.org/source/using.php <-- it's as simple as it can be |
| 09:09.07 | eva_aja | ghhghgg |
| 09:09.19 | elephantman | dondelelcaro: ok thanx a lot |
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| 09:10.36 | micka | nkuttler: yes i think this lib in libxdamage1 or libXfixes but when update same errors |
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| 09:10.38 | michi_ | moin moin |
| 09:11.29 | nkuttler | micka: /msg dpkg search again, the apt-file or bugs.debian.org thingie |
| 09:12.16 | nkuttler | micka: erm, packages.debian.org |
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| 09:14.53 | dhp_saturn_v4 | nkuttler: good news: after some mv $i $i_ to move out all 'dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting not allowed', install IS SUCCESSFULL |
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| 09:17.49 | dhp_saturn_v4 | nkuttler: cu |
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| 09:21.20 | michi_ | someone knows why => mkinitrd -o <blabla.img> <kernelversion> makes a image with size 0K ?? |
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| 09:23.00 | michi_ | no idea?? |
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| 09:23.39 | tralala | !debian kernel image |
| 09:23.39 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
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| 09:24.09 | micka | i have livXfixes.so.3 i'm suppose no libXfixes.so.0 |
| 09:24.17 | micka | ParamÃĐtrage de libgtk2.0-bin (2.6.4-1.osso7 |
| 09:24.33 | micka | Updating the IM modules list for GTK+-2.6.0.../usr/bin/gtk-query-immodules-2.0: error while loading shared libraries: libXfixes.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:24.34 | michi_ | lol i install openssi and need now de image to boot the second node .... |
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| 09:26.37 | micka | pfff debian kernel is slow my compile kernel is better most optimized for me |
| 09:27.21 | tralala | *cough*bull*cough*shit*cough* |
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| 09:29.12 | michi_ | someone knows why => mkinitrd -o <blabla.img> <kernelversion> makes a image with size 0K ?? |
| 09:29.13 | agenteo | debian sarge, Xfree86, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 isn't supposed to create an XF86... config file in /etc/X11 ??? |
| 09:29.14 | michi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.23 | ssm | micka: of course you measured the performance thoroughly before and after your optimizations? Do you have some numbers for us? |
| 09:29.44 | nkuttler | agenteo: if it doesn't /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 09:30.43 | tralala | ssm: no, he'll directly teach the kernel maintainer how to create better kernel images |
| 09:30.43 | itz | sorry to treat you all as an helpdesk :) but is there any simple CLI way of displaying the bugs open on a particular debian package? |
| 09:31.03 | agenteo | nkuttler: thanks |
| 09:31.51 | tralala | !tell itz -about bts |
| 09:32.26 | micka | ssm: yes love-sources patch kernel memory usage down at 50M than 80M from linux kernel i have read this in the wired |
| 09:32.42 | jm_ | itz: reportbug lists them for example |
| 09:33.47 | ssm | micka: so you have not measured anything, then. |
| 09:34.43 | ssm | tralala: that's good, if they're not using all the latest patches from everywhere, they're obviously not doing a good job at it... :P |
| 09:34.58 | ssm | tralala: </sarcasm> |
| 09:35.43 | tralala | ssm: of course, not. They are so stupid that I have to wonder how did they became kernel maintainers in the first place. |
| 09:36.19 | micka | have you this lib dpkg-query --search libXfixes.so.0 ? |
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| 09:36.55 | mdew | whats ndb? I'm getting lots of errors "ndb3: Request when not-ready" on booting -rc6 and -rc7 |
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| 09:38.45 | jm_ | ndb or nbd? |
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| 09:39.58 | mdew | sorry, nbd |
| 09:40.03 | jm_ | read nbd.txt |
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| 09:40.44 | micka | any have libXfixes.so.O ? |
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| 09:41.06 | streuner | !tell micka about search |
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| 09:43.13 | micka | <dpkg> ache search <search terms i have no this command ache in my system |
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| 09:43.41 | streuner | What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 09:43.46 | micka | i have already search i have no this lib in my system |
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| 09:44.17 | micka | $libc6 2.3.5-4 |
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| 09:44.30 | nkuttler | micka: maybe it's not in debian? |
| 09:44.38 | micka | is debian unstable |
| 09:44.39 | streuner | !info libc6 sarge |
| 09:44.43 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 09:44.57 | micka | run unstable in laptop |
| 09:44.58 | streuner | micka: read /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 09:45.03 | micka | streuner: no |
| 09:45.08 | micka | pfff |
| 09:45.17 | Shadowcat | sid is not supported here |
| 09:45.21 | micka | pfff |
| 09:45.22 | Shadowcat | if you have to ask about sid |
| 09:45.25 | SimonRaven | @lart micka |
| 09:45.26 | nkuttler | !find libXfixes.so.0 |
| 09:45.29 | Shadowcat | you're probably not skilled enough to run it |
| 09:45.39 | micka | !find libXfixes.so.0 |
| 09:45.43 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libXfixes.so.0' returned no results. |
| 09:45.54 | micka | !find libXfixes.so.3 |
| 09:46.01 | streuner | dpkg, find libXfixes.so.O |
| 09:46.02 | nkuttler | micka: /msg the bot |
| 09:46.02 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libXfixes.so.3' (2): (/usr/X11R6/lib/{libXfixes.so.3|libXfixes.so.3.0}) in libs/libxfixes3 ;; (/usr/X11R6/lib/debug/{libXfixes.so.3|libXfixes.so.3.0}) in libdevel/libxfixes3-dbg. |
| 09:46.03 | tralala | micka: /msg the bot |
| 09:46.08 | Shadowcat | for crying out loud |
| 09:46.11 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libXfixes.so.O' returned no results. |
| 09:46.15 | Shadowcat | packages.debian.org exists for a reason |
| 09:46.17 | Shadowcat | use it |
| 09:46.21 | Shadowcat | stop abusing the bots |
| 09:46.34 | streuner | shut up |
| 09:46.36 | CAiRO | what's the point in chkrootkit showing the stuff it hasn't found instead of those it has found? (i might very easily miss a worm it has found because it prints 200 lines with 'not found' on each invokation) |
| 09:46.37 | jm_ | both of them suck anyway |
| 09:46.58 | jm_ | CAiRO: man grep |
| 09:47.02 | micka | all problem is not resolves whit packages.debian.org |
| 09:47.09 | SimonRaven | CAiRO: uh ever heard of sh-pgup? |
| 09:47.14 | nkuttler | micka: face it, it's not in debian |
| 09:47.20 | micka | i'm ask at channel because my proble is not resolves whit packages.debian.org |
| 09:47.22 | streuner | micka: why do you think you need this? |
| 09:47.34 | SimonRaven | ... or a fucking page for that matter, or grep, or ffs... |
| 09:47.37 | SimonRaven | pager* |
| 09:47.43 | streuner | micka: or in other words what was the error you got? |
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| 09:48.05 | SimonRaven | IOW he's clueless, and shouldn't be running sid in the first place |
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| 09:48.20 | rob_w | how can i bring ibot into a new channel ? |
| 09:48.22 | michi_ | someone knows why => mkinitrd -o <blabla.img> <kernelversion> makes a image with size 0K ?? |
| 09:48.33 | CAiRO | jm_: what has the man page of grep to do with chkrootkit? i know i can filter the output.. but that doesn't make chkrootkit any better, does it? |
| 09:48.38 | CAiRO | SimonRaven: no, what's that? |
| 09:48.47 | jm_ | CAiRO: no it makes your question stupid |
| 09:48.49 | Shadowcat | michi_: why are you using an initrd? |
| 09:48.54 | michi_ | need the image to boot my second node of openssi |
| 09:48.58 | SimonRaven | CAiRO: simple scroll up in your terminal... |
| 09:48.58 | nkuttler | CAiRO: write a patch to chkrootkit and submit it... |
| 09:49.28 | micka | libgtk2.0-bin (2.6.4-1.osso7) |
| 09:49.40 | micka | Updating the IM modules list for GTK+-2.6.0.../usr/bin/gtk-query-immodules-2.0: error while loading shared libraries |
| 09:49.50 | ricky_clarkson | CAiRO: What they're saying is that outputting lots of lines with 'not found' in is not a bug, as you can easily filter the output to remove those. |
| 09:49.51 | micka | libXfixes.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:50.05 | micka | dpkg : erreur de traitement de libgtk2.0-bin (--configure) |
| 09:50.15 | tralala | CAiRO: did you read the chkrootkit manuals to see if there are any options to alter the output? |
| 09:50.16 | micka | where is libXfixes.so.0 |
| 09:50.23 | Shadowcat | for crying out loud |
| 09:50.24 | ricky_clarkson | !x fr en traitement |
| 09:50.31 | SimonRaven | micka: SCROLL THE FUCK UP PLEASE |
| 09:50.32 | micka | i have libXfixes.so.3 in libt-2.0-bin |
| 09:50.36 | nkuttler | micka: sounds like you are not using official packages |
| 09:50.36 | streuner | micka: just search on BTS then, but again, you shouldn't run unstable |
| 09:50.36 | Shadowcat | !tell micka about apt-listbugs |
| 09:50.40 | CAiRO | i just thought it should be the intention of every program to work in the most reasonable way be default |
| 09:50.47 | SimonRaven | 05:46 dpkg : Debian Search of 'libXfixes.so.3' (2): (/usr/X11R6/lib/{libXfixes.so.3|libXfixes.so.3.0}) in libs/libxfixes3 ;; (/usr/X11R6/lib/debug/{libXfixes.so.3|libXfixes.so.3.0}) in libdevel/libxfixes3-dbg. |
| 09:50.53 | Shadowcat | streuner: agreed |
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| 09:50.57 | jm_ | CAiRO: your idea of default doesn't mean everyone else has the same idea |
| 09:51.03 | Shadowcat | micka: what you have is a BROKEN package |
| 09:51.08 | Shadowcat | these things happen in sid |
| 09:51.15 | SimonRaven | micka: WRONG PACKAGE |
| 09:51.18 | Shadowcat | if you can't sort out broken packages (or better, avoid installing them) |
| 09:51.24 | Shadowcat | you're not skilled enough to run sid |
| 09:51.28 | SimonRaven | libs/libxfixes3 |
| 09:51.29 | tralala | CAiRO: if you think there is something wrong with the programme you should file a bug report or submit a patch to the authors |
| 09:51.32 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: Why is the babelfish feature in dpkg not enabled/working? |
| 09:51.39 | CAiRO | jm_: yeah, that's why i'm asking, does that make my question stupid? i'm using from other scanners (virus, adware, file syste) to show me bad results, not all those which are good |
| 09:51.43 | SimonRaven | install that fricking thing and please stop whining |
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| 09:51.54 | CAiRO | s/i'm using/i'm used to/ |
| 09:52.09 | jm_ | CAiRO: did you check if it has a switch to enable such mode? |
| 09:52.14 | SimonRaven | it should already be INSTALLED ALREADY |
| 09:52.28 | Shadowcat | grep is part of debian base |
| 09:52.32 | ricky_clarkson | CAiRO: People who are administering Linux should know about grep. |
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| 09:52.45 | Shadowcat | heh ricky_clarkson |
| 09:53.30 | streuner | micka: just run etch/testing, there are new software too, due to the ABI change in C++ you will get serious headaches running unstable, even for experienced users it could be a headache... |
| 09:53.59 | Shadowcat | half the stuff in Sid's broken at the moment |
| 09:53.59 | nkuttler | micka is not running debian |
| 09:54.10 | nkuttler | libgtk2.0-bin (2.6.4-1.osso7) |
| 09:54.11 | Shadowcat | he's not? |
| 09:54.14 | SimonRaven | no kidding. got really bad for a while... |
| 09:54.15 | streuner | nkuttler: how do you know? |
| 09:54.21 | CAiRO | tralala: well, i wasn't too sure if it is a bug, that's why i was asking what the intention is in showing all 'good' results instead of only showing the bad ones.. that might have been a reason, but as it seems nobody in here knows it |
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| 09:54.33 | nkuttler | 11:49 < micka> libgtk2.0-bin (2.6.4-1.osso7) |
| 09:54.45 | streuner | ubuntu? |
| 09:54.45 | ricky_clarkson | CAiRO: The intention is probably to show everything. |
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| 09:54.53 | laurens_ | *wow*. |
| 09:55.01 | nkuttler | maemo.org i think |
| 09:55.03 | dhp_saturn_v4 | I have just switched from Gentoo to SID; both now use Xorg; I copied /etc/X11/xorg.conf from Gentoo to Debian, and it says: saturn.doubleh.org -> Xorg.8.log and xorg.conf ... any clue ? |
| 09:55.34 | laurens_ | The person that invented module-assistant should get a statue |
| 09:55.42 | tralala | !tell dhp_saturn_v4 -about sid faq |
| 09:55.43 | laurens_ | dhp_saturn_v4: where does it say that? |
| 09:55.46 | ricky_clarkson | dhp_saturn_v4: Copying a config file from Gentoo to Sid would probably be a bad idea. |
| 09:55.51 | SimonRaven | dhp_saturn_v4: sid is not an acronym. and WTH are you talking about? |
| 09:56.04 | micka | libXfixes3 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXfixes.so.3.0 |
| 09:56.10 | Shadowcat | SimonRaven: he thinks that because he can use emerge |
| 09:56.16 | Shadowcat | he's skilled enough to troublesort debian sid |
| 09:56.16 | streuner | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/1.0/arm/Maemo_Dev_Platform_RS_arm_relnotes.txt |
| 09:56.18 | micka | do you have libXfixes :) |
| 09:56.21 | SimonRaven | micka: yes, like the bot said earlier |
| 09:56.29 | SimonRaven | sheesh |
| 09:56.31 | dhp_saturn_v4 | laurens_: hmmm what do you mean ? |
| 09:56.31 | ricky_clarkson | dhp_saturn_v4: I think you should replace the original xorg.conf and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:56.52 | laurens_ | dhp_saturn_v4: first of all, I reccomend you use dpkg-reconfigure anyway |
| 09:57.04 | SimonRaven | Shadowcat: riiiight, i also have a bridge in the everglades he might like |
| 09:57.08 | laurens_ | why it fails is beyond me since none of the patches used by debian or gentoo should alter the way the config file looks |
| 09:57.26 | dhp_saturn_v4 | ricky_clarkson: I am sorry, but when two distribution use the same daemon, I expect them to expect the same conf file, unless Debian people patch Xorg to let it parse its own conf file differently ? |
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| 09:57.41 | Shadowcat | debian DOES patch XOrg |
| 09:57.43 | streuner | nkuttler: good work |
| 09:57.45 | ricky_clarkson | dhp_saturn_v4: I don't know what Debian does. Do you? If not, do it the Debian way. |
| 09:57.48 | Shadowcat | among other things |
| 09:58.04 | dhp_saturn_v4 | SimonRaven: I am not telling about sid, but SID: Still In Development !!!! |
| 09:58.12 | Shadowcat | debian's XOrg is a CUSTOMIZED version which is NOT supported by XOrg |
| 09:58.18 | SimonRaven | dhp_saturn_v4: it's not an acronym |
| 09:58.21 | Shadowcat | dhp_saturn_v4: that's not what it stands for |
| 09:58.22 | Shadowcat | !sid |
| 09:58.23 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 09:58.25 | dhp_saturn_v4 | ricky_clarkson: originally, DEbian xorg.conf was an empty file ! |
| 09:58.34 | laurens_ | Shadowcat: I didn't say they didn't, I'm saying that the patches they use shouldn't change the xorg.conf file parsing part so dramatically |
| 09:58.38 | ricky_clarkson | dhp_saturn_v4: sid is the name of a Toy Story character, that's all. |
| 09:58.42 | SimonRaven | dhp_saturn_v4: and no, it isn't called SID, it's called sid, as in the toy story character |
| 09:58.44 | laurens_ | dhp_saturn_v4: thats because you should run dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:58.57 | Shadowcat | laurens_: he's probably just loading an xorg module that's br0kered |
| 09:59.06 | laurens_ | perhaps. |
| 09:59.15 | Shadowcat | god knows which one though |
| 09:59.21 | SimonRaven | too clueless to actually parse the log file properly |
| 09:59.27 | laurens_ | dhp_saturn_v4: I do strongly reccomend that we get the entire config file or the log file |
| 09:59.29 | Shadowcat | that too |
| 09:59.30 | laurens_ | preferably both |
| 09:59.31 | laurens_ | at a paste site |
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| 09:59.38 | Shadowcat | www.pastebin.com |
| 09:59.41 | Shadowcat | otherwise we can |
| 09:59.46 | Shadowcat | can't help you |
| 09:59.47 | streuner | micka: 1.4. Is there an IRC channel or other chat related to maemo.org? There is an unofficial IRC chat at freenode.net, with the channel name #maemo |
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| 10:01.20 | micka | my gnome desktop is broken |
| 10:01.32 | Shadowcat | micka: listen |
| 10:01.37 | Shadowcat | we don't support what you're running |
| 10:01.49 | Shadowcat | so I suggest you find someone who does |
| 10:01.56 | Shadowcat | just because it's based on debian |
| 10:01.59 | Shadowcat | doesn't mean we support it |
| 10:02.01 | micka | why not creat a channel debiansid ? |
| 10:02.06 | ricky_clarkson | Why? |
| 10:02.16 | Shadowcat | because if you're running debian sid |
| 10:02.23 | Shadowcat | YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING |
| 10:02.24 | laurens_ | heh, I don't think I can even install gnome |
| 10:02.34 | Shadowcat | if you don't, DON'T RUN IT |
| 10:02.34 | micka | debian not support yes thius help me :/ |
| 10:02.39 | laurens_ | Shadowcat: woo! I know what I'm doing? Yay! |
| 10:02.51 | ricky_clarkson | !not supporting maemo |
| 10:02.51 | laurens_ | debian not support yes thus? |
| 10:02.52 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support maemo too. Try #maemo or donating money to charity. |
| 10:03.10 | laurens_ | maemo? what the fook is maemo |
| 10:03.13 | Shadowcat | laurens_: well you're supposed to expect broken packages |
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| 10:03.20 | laurens_ | is that yet another debian fork? |
| 10:03.23 | micka | a sdk for nokia 770 |
| 10:03.29 | dhp_saturn_v4 | ricky_clarkson: after dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, /var/log/Xorg.8.log reports the same error |
| 10:03.38 | dhp_saturn_v4 | laurens_: after dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, /var/log/Xorg.8.log reports the same error |
| 10:03.40 | micka | for gnome in 770 terminal |
| 10:03.42 | ricky_clarkson | dhp_saturn_v4: Did the file get changed? |
| 10:04.01 | Shadowcat | I don't think he kept a copy of the original file |
| 10:04.05 | laurens_ | dhp_saturn_v4: are you sure that it got saved in the correct spot and not in /root somewhere |
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| 10:04.10 | Shadowcat | you know dhp_saturn_v4 |
| 10:04.17 | Shadowcat | you STILL haven't given us the log file |
| 10:04.19 | Shadowcat | if you want us to help you |
| 10:04.23 | Shadowcat | give us the darn log file |
| 10:04.36 | dhp_saturn_v4 | laurens_: I just gave both of them ! |
| 10:04.36 | Shadowcat | preferably your xorg.conf too |
| 10:04.48 | tralala | Shadowcat: you have to be more polite and beg him for the log file or you won't get anything |
| 10:04.48 | streuner | dpkg, maemo is <reply> Maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices. |
| 10:04.48 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 10:05.08 | Shadowcat | tralala: I'm not the one with a broken xorg |
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| 10:05.23 | laurens_ | dhp_saturn_v4: put the log on pastebin.com |
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| 10:05.39 | tralala | so why the hell bother? |
| 10:05.41 | dhp_saturn_v4 | laurens_: see saturn URL: xorg.conf_new_debian |
| 10:06.16 | laurens_ | saturn url? where's that |
| 10:06.22 | streuner | dpkg, maemo is also http://maemo.org/ |
| 10:06.23 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 10:06.29 | oes | have some resolution trouble, think its the x server, can anyone help ? |
| 10:06.45 | dhp_saturn_v4 | laurens_: 11:55 < dhp_saturn_v4> I have just switched from Gentoo to SID; both now use Xorg; I copied /etc/X11/xorg.conf from Gentoo to Debian, and it says: saturn.doubleh.org -> Xorg.8.log and xorg.conf ... any clue ? |
| 10:06.53 | streuner | oes: just ask |
| 10:06.55 | dhp_saturn_v4 | laurens_: what was my very first question about X |
| 10:07.05 | Shadowcat | dhp_saturn_v4: you still haven't given us the log |
| 10:07.09 | streuner | oes: what videocard do you have? |
| 10:07.13 | laurens_ | oes: what driver are you using, many drivers do not support certain resolutions |
| 10:07.17 | Shadowcat | by us I mean ALL OF US in the channel |
| 10:07.20 | Shadowcat | not just one person |
| 10:07.23 | ircdevil | hrm, is it true that the cool mp3 players (hardware) doenst do ogg - and those that do ogg are old crappy ones - and expensive too? |
| 10:07.28 | laurens_ | dhp_saturn_v4: while that may seem obvious to you, it isn't very obvious to all of us |
| 10:07.30 | dhp_saturn_v4 | Shadowcat: isnt Xorg.8.log a log file ???????????? |
| 10:07.42 | laurens_ | Shadowcat: he means, go to saturn.doubleh.org |
| 10:07.58 | Shadowcat | dhp_saturn_v4: do yourself and us a favor |
| 10:07.59 | Shadowcat | don't run sid |
| 10:08.05 | Shadowcat | you obviously don't know WTF you're doing |
| 10:08.11 | streuner | oes: keep the convo in channel, please. |
| 10:08.15 | laurens_ | dhp_saturn_v4: saturn.doubleh.org doesn't work :( |
| 10:08.30 | Shadowcat | christ |
| 10:08.38 | Shadowcat | if you can't paste two files on www.pastebin.com |
| 10:08.42 | Shadowcat | how the HELL can you run sid? |
| 10:08.44 | dhp_saturn_v4 | laurens_: try saturn.doublehp.org |
| 10:09.01 | laurens_ | uu-3-2260.buydomains.com? :D |
| 10:09.23 | laurens_ | dhp_saturn_v4: saturn.doubleh.com responds to ping but cant get any http out of it |
| 10:09.28 | streuner | oes: what videocard do you have? |
| 10:09.28 | dhp_saturn_v4 | Shadowcat: how can you past in any past bin using lynx and then getting the URL ??? lynx never shown current url !!! |
| 10:09.38 | laurens_ | waita sec |
| 10:09.48 | laurens_ | now it gives me this crap about sponsored links |
| 10:09.54 | *** part/#debian Tincho_21 (n=Martin@200.115.198.72) |
| 10:09.54 | laurens_ | shoparound.com |
| 10:09.57 | Shadowcat | dhp_saturn_v4: you're telling me you don't have a single machine you can ftp those files to? |
| 10:10.06 | oes | My monitor supports 1400x1050 resolution. I have a fresh debian install. but everytime I try to set the resolution higher than 800x600 the screen is f**** up |
| 10:10.09 | Shadowcat | transfer the files onto a secondary machine |
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| 10:10.15 | timo | dhp_saturn_v4, lynx shows the url with 'G' |
| 10:10.23 | pet | Hi, have some problems upgrading my Debian system ... |
| 10:10.29 | laurens_ | is it .org or .com |
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| 10:10.34 | Shadowcat | pet: what are you upgrading to? |
| 10:10.36 | dhp_saturn_v4 | Shadowcat: I have been using SID for 4 years, and it just switched to xorg ... none of my old xfree conf file work any more |
| 10:10.45 | Shadowcat | dhp_saturn_v4: first of all |
| 10:10.47 | Shadowcat | it's called sid |
| 10:10.49 | Shadowcat | not SID |
| 10:10.54 | Shadowcat | it's NOT an acronym |
| 10:11.01 | streuner | oes: are you able to answer a simple question? |
| 10:11.04 | dhp_saturn_v4 | Shadowcat: any one still use ftp here ? sorry, but I prefer scp+http |
| 10:11.08 | pet | I want to upgrade from potato to the new stable (sid?) |
| 10:11.10 | oes | yes |
| 10:11.14 | streuner | oes: what videocard do you have? |
| 10:11.19 | Shadowcat | pet: sarge |
| 10:11.24 | Shadowcat | !sid |
| 10:11.24 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 10:11.25 | streuner | (thats the 3 time) |
| 10:11.30 | laurens_ | pet: the new stable is sarge |
| 10:11.37 | Shadowcat | I say we just ban the sidsmites |
| 10:11.40 | pet | yes - sarge O:-) |
| 10:11.44 | oes | streuner: ati radeon 9700 mob |
| 10:11.46 | laurens_ | Shadowcat: hey! I'm friendly |
| 10:11.58 | laurens_ | Shadowcat: sid breaks all the time but most of the breakage is fairly trivial |
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| 10:12.02 | streuner | oes: laptop? |
| 10:12.13 | Shadowcat | laurens_: unless someone breaks pam again |
| 10:12.16 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 10:12.22 | laurens_ | Shadowcat: meh, I fixed that too |
| 10:12.34 | Shadowcat | yes but you need a knoppix cd to fix it |
| 10:12.35 | oes | streuner: yup. In XP it runs 1400x1050 smoothly, so it has something to do with the xserver I think |
| 10:12.39 | laurens_ | Shadowcat: if you cant fix a system from a livecd you shouldn't use sid |
| 10:12.47 | bitlogic | where is identd started by default on debian instalation? |
| 10:12.57 | streuner | oes: which driver did you use? |
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| 10:13.02 | pet | I am getting some strange "internal" errors ... |
| 10:13.11 | Shadowcat | oes: so edit the XF86config-4 file |
| 10:13.17 | dhp_saturn_v4 | laurens_: Shadowcat so: whats wrong with saturn.doublehp.org ? |
| 10:13.30 | streuner | oes: /msg dpkg ati |
| 10:13.31 | Shadowcat | dhp_saturn_v4: except that it shows absolutely nothing? |
| 10:13.41 | oes | streuner: ATI. I didn\t get any driver choice, just gc manufacturer |
| 10:13.51 | laurens_ | oes: you're screwed, mainly |
| 10:14.08 | Shadowcat | ati doesn't like linux |
| 10:14.10 | laurens_ | im very happy that once in a blue moon i can modprobe fglrx and radeonfb doesnt crash |
| 10:14.19 | streuner | oes: did you try those free drivers or those from ATI? |
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| 10:14.37 | dhp_saturn_v4 | Shadowcat: laurens_ saturn.doublehp.org/tmp/ better ? sorry, but all those url are default in firefox which I cant start atm ... since I cant startx ... |
| 10:14.43 | laurens_ | ati has already been ripped out of my workstation but my laptop, unfortunately, has a mobility m10 soldered on |
| 10:15.03 | laurens_ | dhp_saturn_v4: apt-get install links && links www.pastebin.cm |
| 10:15.05 | laurens_ | *com |
| 10:15.16 | oes | dhp_saturn_v4: I chose the ones that came with the distro |
| 10:15.18 | streuner | oes: what model (laptop) is it, tell us the exact name? |
| 10:15.30 | dhp_saturn_v4 | laurens_: already got lynx-ssl which allows me to read emails .... |
| 10:15.31 | oes | streuner: Elitegroup G556e |
| 10:15.44 | tralala | laurens_: lower ati models work just fine with radeon |
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| 10:16.28 | Shadowcat | tralala: this is XFree86 not XOrg |
| 10:16.33 | Shadowcat | the ati driver in xfree isn't that new |
| 10:16.37 | laurens_ | tralala: on xorg, perhaps |
| 10:16.44 | laurens_ | anyway restarting x server |
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| 10:17.31 | hurax | hi, ist there someone who has installed sarge on an alpha? |
| 10:18.07 | bitlogic | ok, I found it on /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 10:18.21 | trym | what could be the reason for my s-ata dvdburner not being recognized by linux? the device appears in dmesg, but is not assigned a device name |
| 10:18.23 | tralala | hurax: without any doubt, there is |
| 10:18.35 | Shadowcat | trym: is it an MSI? |
| 10:18.42 | trym | Shadowcat: plextor |
| 10:18.50 | Gathond | trym: that libata (the s-ata driver) does not have working ATAPI support yet |
| 10:18.55 | Shadowcat | it IS probably assigned a drive name |
| 10:19.01 | Shadowcat | but it's scsi |
| 10:19.03 | jm_ | trym: ATAPI support is on TODO list |
| 10:19.06 | trym | Gathond: I enabled atapi over ata in libata.h |
| 10:19.08 | hurax | i'm trying to boot the cd from milo |
| 10:19.19 | Shadowcat | trym: look |
| 10:19.21 | Shadowcat | sata == scsi |
| 10:19.27 | Gathond | trym: so did I try and that did exactly nothing for my plextor 716SA |
| 10:19.36 | dhp_saturn_v4 | laurens_: Shadowcat http://rafb.net/paste/results/mVI8wt46.html http://rafb.net/paste/results/YkLCmi69.nln.html ; hope I did not skip any page ... |
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| 10:19.39 | Shadowcat | try looking in there |
| 10:19.43 | laurens_ | Holy shit! It JUST WORKS! |
| 10:19.45 | hurax | boot/bootlx does not boot, and boot/linux crashes |
| 10:19.47 | trym | gathond: oh almost the same as mine. PX-712SA |
| 10:19.57 | jm_ | trym: read SATA status page |
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| 10:20.23 | tralala | laurens_: radeon works fine with xfree. I have 9250 and I'm using radeon. No complaints at all. |
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| 10:20.25 | Gathond | trym: I have read people claiming they got yours to work as a DVD reader in 2.6.10 by enabling ATAPI in libata.h, but that did nothing for mine |
| 10:20.26 | trym | jm_: do you have an url in handy ? |
| 10:20.33 | trym | Gathond: same here |
| 10:20.37 | _axel | hi, is there any way i can use telnet in a pipe to send raw text to a host? i want to send data to an http server and im trying cat foo.txt | telnet host 80 but it doesnt seem to work? |
| 10:20.38 | Gathond | trym: google is, libata status |
| 10:20.42 | Shadowcat | funny |
| 10:20.47 | laurens_ | tralala: every radeon < 9600 is ok |
| 10:20.47 | jm_ | trym: first hit on google for "linux sata" |
| 10:20.49 | streuner | oes: well, /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 10:20.52 | Shadowcat | dhp_saturn_v4: Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices |
| 10:20.54 | trym | jm: sweet thanks |
| 10:20.58 | dhp_saturn_v4 | oes: hmmm sorry, I dont get you : apt-cache search lynx-sll exists in SID since before 2002 |
| 10:21.02 | Shadowcat | fix your xorg.conf file |
| 10:21.06 | tralala | laurens_: which is almost exactly what I said |
| 10:21.17 | CAiRO | lol, even if i use grep to filter the output of chkrootkit, it has at least 4 different 'nothing found' messages (like not found, nothing found, nothing deleted, not infected) |
| 10:21.18 | Shadowcat | dhp_saturn_v4: for the last fucking time |
| 10:21.20 | Shadowcat | it's sid |
| 10:21.21 | jm_ | trym: anyway, it won't help you get it working, it will jsut confirm it's not there yet, maybe it's in development tree |
| 10:21.27 | Shadowcat | NO capital letters |
| 10:21.28 | dhp_saturn_v4 | Shadowcat: thats what I pasted on doublehp.org 20 ago ... seems like nobody even tried to view those logs |
| 10:21.32 | Shadowcat | it's NOT an acronym |
| 10:21.42 | Shadowcat | dhp_saturn_v4: more like we couldn't get to them |
| 10:21.52 | Shadowcat | and get the damn release name right |
| 10:21.53 | Shadowcat | it's sid |
| 10:21.59 | Shadowcat | lowercase |
| 10:22.21 | laurens_ | tralala: like i said, my laptop has a mobility m10 soldered onto the board |
| 10:22.27 | trym | jm_: well now I regret buying a sata burner ;) |
| 10:22.34 | laurens_ | it is otherwise a truly excellent laptop |
| 10:22.37 | Shadowcat | laurens_: try upgrading to xorg |
| 10:22.45 | laurens_ | Shadowcat: I AM running xorg |
| 10:22.47 | jm_ | trym: yeah they're still rather new and rare |
| 10:22.48 | Shadowcat | that is, if you know how to keep a hybrid system |
| 10:22.48 | laurens_ | I AM running sid |
| 10:22.54 | laurens_ | it breaks constantly |
| 10:22.58 | laurens_ | yet trivially |
| 10:23.04 | laurens_ | i always manage to fix it |
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| 10:23.09 | Shadowcat | bah not you |
| 10:23.11 | laurens_ | which is both great for my skill and my ego :P :P |
| 10:23.12 | Shadowcat | who was the other guy |
| 10:23.18 | laurens_ | saturn something |
| 10:23.21 | laurens_ | dhp_saturn_v4: |
| 10:23.28 | trym | jm_: I guess there is no way of getting it to work through vmware either huh ? |
| 10:23.29 | Shadowcat | no there was another guy with a radeon chip |
| 10:23.33 | laurens_ | oh |
| 10:23.33 | laurens_ | oes |
| 10:23.34 | trym | since linux does not recognize it at all |
| 10:23.43 | Shadowcat | oes: try upgrading to xorg |
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| 10:23.50 | laurens_ | trym: what isn't recognized |
| 10:23.51 | jm_ | trym: hmm maybe if you run it in legacy mode as IDE device |
| 10:24.10 | trym | laurens_: my dvd burner |
| 10:24.12 | Shadowcat | just for the hell of it |
| 10:24.13 | Shadowcat | >:) |
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| 10:24.20 | trym | jm_: how would I do that? |
| 10:24.27 | laurens_ | trym: how is it connected to your computer |
| 10:24.32 | trym | laurens_: sata |
| 10:24.35 | dhp_saturn_v4 | tralala: I have been reading this page about 4 years ago ... |
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| 10:24.49 | tralala | which page? |
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| 10:25.09 | jm_ | trym: is there an option to enable it in BIOS? |
| 10:25.45 | trym | jm_: might be.. ill try checking it out. but "legacy" and "ide" are the words I should be looking for? |
| 10:25.51 | RainbowW | blah. the upgrade from sarge to etch takes forever (on my little laptop ...) |
| 10:26.04 | dhp_saturn_v4 | laurens_: Shadowcat and by the way, I can not install Sarge from CD nor network since I have no floppy nor CD drive : I can only rely on my old (6 months) local preinstalled HDD ... |
| 10:26.09 | Shadowcat | RainbowW: why are you upgrading? |
| 10:26.17 | RainbowW | Shadowcat, to play. |
| 10:26.25 | Shadowcat | dhp_saturn_v4: does PXE server say something to you? |
| 10:26.36 | jm_ | trym: yup, I believe so |
| 10:26.41 | Shadowcat | RainbowW: well at least you're not upgrading to sid |
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| 10:26.54 | Shadowcat | three sidsmites in the space of one hour |
| 10:26.59 | RainbowW | Shadowcat, i ran sid before the sarge freeze. i'll wait on that for a while. :) |
| 10:27.01 | trym | ok.. ill have a look |
| 10:27.02 | trym | brb |
| 10:27.04 | Shadowcat | none of them knowing wtf they were doing |
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| 10:27.05 | dhp_saturn_v4 | Shadowcat: yes: 3c905B do have ROM socket, but I never found the rom chips; I dont have any 3c905C |
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| 10:27.20 | Gumby | is the 2.6.11.1 debian kernel patched? And if it is, is the matching kernel-source also patched? |
| 10:27.22 | Shadowcat | dhp_saturn_v4: sucks to be you |
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| 10:29.52 | Xybernaut | how i change mysql password ? |
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| 10:30.19 | dhp_saturn_v4 | Shadowcat: in short: I ll go to hell, suck the Devil, and cut out my heard with a spoon. Seems liki it s gonna be less paninfull than trying to install any Linux distro. Since I hate Windows, and BSD may be even worse than Linux for my poor brain, I think I just sthop cgomputing; any one want two bi-P3 plus two AMD1.4G for free ? plus 2 17'' screen- and a 20'' sun + VGA adapters ? |
| 10:30.44 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 10:30.47 | Shadowcat | poor fool |
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| 10:31.27 | oes | If I want to install ATI drivers, do i have so start recompiling / configuring my kernel ? |
| 10:31.36 | Shadowcat | possibly |
| 10:32.28 | oes | I am totally new to Linux, didnt plan on experimenting with my kernel yet. I just want to be able to use higher resolution than 800x600 |
| 10:32.44 | ricky_clarkson | !drxx oes |
| 10:32.45 | dpkg | oes: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:33.15 | pirre | !tell pirre about xmd5 |
| 10:33.37 | Shadowcat | oes: well go install ubuntu |
| 10:33.42 | Shadowcat | it probably has the driver you need |
| 10:33.43 | Shadowcat | on the cd |
| 10:34.42 | tralala | pirre: the same is achievable with /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 10:35.02 | oes | dpkg: I get the message "dpkg: conflicting actions --control and --remove" |
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| 10:35.44 | tralala | dpkg, bot |
| 10:35.45 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 10:36.29 | zumbi | !hi |
| 10:36.30 | dpkg | hello, zumbi |
| 10:36.39 | tralala | oes: is this the output of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
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| 10:37.58 | oes | tralala: yes |
| 10:38.10 | jtan325 | hi, if i have a question about packaging (making my own package) |
| 10:38.13 | jtan325 | is this the place to ask? |
| 10:38.22 | oes | tralala: no. xfree86 |
| 10:38.50 | oes | tralala: but Xorg gives me the same emssage |
| 10:39.20 | tralala | oes, well your packge system seems broken |
| 10:40.28 | oes | tralala: but it's a fresh and clean install. How can the package system already be broken ? |
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| 10:41.11 | tralala | sid, isn't it? |
| 10:41.39 | oes | yup |
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| 10:41.57 | gnube | If netstat -na shows an established connection on port 22 (ssh) does that mean some one has logged in or could it mean that they are trying to? |
| 10:42.25 | jm_ | jtan325: /msg dpkg ask |
| 10:42.36 | jm_ | gnube: both |
| 10:42.37 | rac | hi, somebody has experienced a samsung ML-1610 printer |
| 10:42.37 | tralala | oes: that explains everything |
| 10:42.43 | gnube | I am wondering how paranoid I should be |
| 10:42.49 | oes | tralala: oh? |
| 10:42.59 | Gathond | gnube: I believe the established bit refers to the TCP connection, and as such would be in that state from the initial connection attempt to port 22 has been set up and until the connection closes |
| 10:43.01 | tralala | oes: install stable or testing and try again |
| 10:43.13 | oes | ok |
| 10:43.16 | TraceGreen | Hello, if i boot linux with bootsplash, then, i will find /proc/splash, is it right? |
| 10:43.39 | jm_ | gnube: well why do you allow them to connect? |
| 10:43.49 | gnube | Gathond, So if there is an 'ESTABLISHED' connection they have logged in? |
| 10:44.05 | jm_ | gnube: no |
| 10:44.25 | Gathond | gnube: you cant say that |
| 10:44.25 | gnube | jm_, I am not allowing them to connect, I want to know if they are trying to connect. |
| 10:44.39 | jm_ | gnube: yes you are, otherwise it wouldn't be in state established |
| 10:44.57 | Gathond | gnube: they have contacted your machine and set up a network connection, this would be the very first thing to do, before any ssh authentication is attempted |
| 10:45.40 | gnube | AH - so they have connected to port 22, but not necessarily authenticated |
| 10:45.46 | jm_ | yes |
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| 10:45.53 | Gathond | gnube: yes |
| 10:45.55 | jm_ | but you should be careful about that |
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| 10:46.09 | gnube | jm_ your telling me |
| 10:46.20 | jez | Is there a way to get the 'squid' web proxy to proxy anonymously by NOT adding giveaway proxy headers like 'HTTP_VIA' and 'HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR'? |
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| 10:46.41 | jm_ | that's configurable in squid.conf |
| 10:46.43 | gnube | jm_ What are the dangers specifically? |
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| 10:47.24 | jm_ | gnube: say if ssh has some bug they can exploit |
| 10:47.52 | gnube | jm_ Ah, well that is a danger with ssh in general. I try to stay up to date. |
| 10:48.10 | jm_ | gnube: the problem is when you don't know you're not up to date |
| 10:48.33 | gnube | jm_ I run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade via cron daily |
| 10:48.41 | gnube | So I am usually up to date |
| 10:49.01 | toresbe | What deb package is su in? |
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| 10:49.36 | Typecast | excuse me, can someone tell me if there is anything special I have to do to burn the dvd iso images from jigdo |
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| 10:49.49 | timo | toresbe, login |
| 10:49.53 | toresbe | timo: cheers |
| 10:50.06 | Typecast | all attempts thus far with nero have crashed program and ruined blank dvd |
| 10:50.07 | jm_ | gnube: like I said, no-one can gurantee that's enough |
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| 10:50.43 | trym | hmm.. no legacy mode |
| 10:50.50 | pet | hi, does somebody know what to do when apt-get says "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration" ? |
| 10:50.52 | trym | I guess I'm screwed |
| 10:51.14 | ricky_clarkson | pet: panic. |
| 10:51.24 | sts | hello folks |
| 10:51.29 | pet | really? |
| 10:51.36 | ricky_clarkson | I don't know, never seen it. |
| 10:51.43 | ricky_clarkson | pet: google for that error message, perhaps. |
| 10:51.54 | ricky_clarkson | pet: Try doing the same thing again. |
| 10:51.59 | ricky_clarkson | pet: Check that /var is not full. |
| 10:52.18 | sts | when i've got two nics on the same subnet, what decides which nic is actually used? |
| 10:52.28 | gnube | jm_ Computers are stochastic, that is just a fact we have to live with. |
| 10:52.45 | ricky_clarkson | pet: Try installing a different package or doing a different operation. Try aptitude. Try synaptic. |
| 10:53.04 | trym | sts: check the routes |
| 10:53.17 | jm_ | gnube: well you could still protect it a bit more |
| 10:53.29 | pet | ricky_clarkson: /var is not full and to do the same thing again does not help :-( |
| 10:53.30 | gnube | jm_ What is your suggestion? |
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| 10:54.15 | pet | ricky_clarkson: I'm trying to upgrade machine having potato installed ... |
| 10:54.19 | jm_ | gnube: firewall? |
| 10:54.32 | gnube | iptables you mean? |
| 10:54.41 | jm_ | well yes, or some of the front-ends for it |
| 10:54.54 | gnube | jm_ Which front end do you recommend? |
| 10:55.08 | gnube | I am running sid |
| 10:55.11 | Gathond | pet: in that case your apt might be to old to recognize the current formats, iirc I had that problem with a potato once |
| 10:55.16 | jm_ | gnube: I don't use any, but firehol, shorewall or ferm look simple |
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| 10:55.49 | sts | trym: thats just a theoretical question. but how would the routes look like? DEST 1: 172.20.0.0/16 IF 1: ETH0, DEST 2: 172.20.0.0/16 IF 2: ETH1. if i send a ping to a host on that subnet, what interface will it use? |
| 10:55.50 | gnube | jm_, Thanks - that is something I have been neglecting. I will go out and look at those. |
| 10:55.52 | ricky_clarkson | Gathond: You may need to upgrade apt-get. |
| 10:55.56 | ricky_clarkson | Oops. |
| 10:55.58 | ricky_clarkson | pet: ^^ |
| 10:56.07 | pet | Gathond: therefore I tried to upgrade to woody first ... |
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| 10:56.16 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 10:56.16 | dpkg | methinks qotd95 is <WiFiTux> Is there a way I could make Doom 3 run faster? I mean, can I run it in a tty, or somewhere else? |
| 10:56.37 | ricky_clarkson | I always knew wifi was a bad idea. |
| 10:56.45 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 10:56.57 | pet | ricky_clarkson: the error message was issued when I tried to upgrade apt and dselect |
| 10:57.04 | Gathond | pet, yes, but I seem to remember the apt comming with potato (the one on its CD's) not being capable of understanding the woody format back then, |
| 10:57.23 | ricky_clarkson | pet: Maybe you could grab the apt deb and install it with dpkg -i. |
| 10:57.51 | sts | trym: any idea? |
| 10:58.01 | pet | ricky_clarkson: I have install CDs of woody at hand |
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| 10:58.26 | trym | sts: I would assume the interface last being configured |
| 10:58.34 | ricky_clarkson | pet: Can you find the apt deb on there? |
| 10:58.35 | trym | or the other way around.. it can easily be checked |
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| 10:58.52 | Capkirk | trying to send mail from apache on a system with postfix and apache installed i get Sender rejected in the mail.log with reason 450 <www-data@joakim>: Sender address rejected ofcause the systems hostname should be www-data@joaim.domain here and ofcause ive checked that the hostname and domainname i set correctly i have entry in /etc/hosts in /etc/hostname and ive set the fqdn with hostname joakim.domain.com what coul |
| 10:58.54 | pet | ricky_clarkson: OK, I'll try to upgrade - thanks |
| 10:59.18 | pet | ricky_clarkson: I did mean manually with dpkg |
| 10:59.22 | ricky_clarkson | pet: Bear in mind that I've never even seen a potato box and hence don't know what I'm talking about. ;) |
| 10:59.35 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: I take it you havent heard of ttyquake then (not that it will be much faster) |
| 10:59.44 | sts | Capkirk: there should be more than that in the logs |
| 10:59.49 | gnube | Capkirk, This could be a bunch of things. |
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| 10:59.59 | sts | Capkirk: paste the whole error message |
| 11:00.06 | Capkirk | sts: #flood? |
| 11:00.11 | trym | sts: you will get them if you just check your routes |
| 11:00.17 | cbr | is there no TeamSpeak .deb? |
| 11:00.20 | trym | I assume eth1 is setup after eth0 |
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| 11:00.29 | trym | so if the routes point to eth1 |
| 11:00.32 | trym | then you have your answer |
| 11:00.39 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: Right. |
| 11:00.40 | sts | Capkirk: not the whole logfile ;) |
| 11:00.51 | Capkirk | sts: ok here goes |
| 11:00.52 | jahi | Hi, anyone knows a easy-to-use html-photo-album-generator? |
| 11:01.05 | Capkirk | Aug 24 12:56:51 localhost postfix/smtp[16866]: 50A812DDD0: to=<thomas@arkena.dk>, relay=avmail.dir.dk[193.201.39.18], delay=1, status=deferred (host avmail.dir.dk[193.201.39.18] said: 450 <www-data@joakim>: Sender address rejected: Domain not found (in reply to RCPT TO command)) |
| 11:01.15 | Capkirk | Domain not found |
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| 11:01.18 | sts | trym: aren't u talking about the default route in case the net is unknown? |
| 11:01.33 | Capkirk | ofcause the relay wont accept mail comming from www-data@joakim |
| 11:01.40 | toresbe | Is there a way to purge all uninstalled packages? |
| 11:01.56 | trym | sts: yes hehe I am. In your case just use tcpdump |
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| 11:03.01 | Capkirk | sts: but as i said earlier ive allready checked that the hostname and domainname is set |
| 11:03.14 | sts | Capkirk: PTR records? |
| 11:03.24 | zOap | does renameutils have a ui? |
| 11:03.36 | Capkirk | sts: maybe |
| 11:03.51 | ricky_clarkson | toresbe: You can only purge while uninstalling, because after uninstallation, Debian doesn't know how to purge a package. I think. |
| 11:03.56 | jm_ | toresbe: /msg dpkg purge them all |
| 11:04.06 | Capkirk | sts: PTR is ok too |
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| 11:04.17 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: EEK. |
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| 11:05.31 | toresbe | jm_: that's nasty... |
| 11:05.37 | TraceGreen | Hello, what's the relationship between bootsplash and grub/lilo? |
| 11:05.50 | cis | how can I check there is a Times new roman font in my system? |
| 11:05.50 | toresbe | but thanks :) |
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| 11:06.03 | pawan | hey |
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| 11:06.21 | jm_ | !purge toresbe |
| 11:06.46 | Capkirk | sts: i guess the question is why dosnt apache see that my hostname domain name is set correctly? |
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| 11:08.13 | sward | cis: find it with fc-list, xlsfont, or even find |
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| 11:08.30 | sward | s/xlsfont/xlsfonts/ |
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| 11:08.50 | sward | cis: fc-list | grep Times |
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| 11:09.26 | pawan | where do i post to update locale |
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| 11:12.09 | nkuttler | pawan: dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 11:12.09 | toresbe | hmm |
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| 11:12.26 | toresbe | okay, thanks, I think things are going nicely (famous last words) |
| 11:12.53 | alistair | Hey, i can hear audio and sounds in Gnome but it isnt working in KDE, by the way i dont use ALSA thing, i use Audio_i860 or something.. |
| 11:12.54 | nkuttler | alistair: you again? |
| 11:12.54 | alistair | i cant hear sounds in kdE But i can in gnome |
| 11:12.54 | alistair | yes >_> |
| 11:13.14 | nkuttler | alistair: are you in kde now? if not, start kde, open a shell |
| 11:13.23 | alistair | done |
| 11:13.40 | nkuttler | alistair: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp... hm, i already did that yesterday... |
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| 11:14.04 | liable | lsof /dev/dsp |
| 11:14.05 | alistair | Device or resource busy |
| 11:14.25 | nkuttler | alistair: find out who is using it |
| 11:14.33 | alistair | hmm... |
| 11:14.37 | alistair | i just logged on.. |
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| 11:16.02 | alistair | how can i?:/ |
| 11:16.14 | nkuttler | alistair: do what liable said |
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| 11:17.30 | alistair | cant stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev |
| 11:18.02 | nkuttler | alistair: what are you doing? |
| 11:18.48 | alistair | i cant that command.. |
| 11:18.56 | alistair | Ok i have to go.. |
| 11:18.59 | alistair | i'll have a go at it later.. |
| 11:19.30 | nkuttler | hm... i wonder if he's trolling or just stupid |
| 11:19.49 | nkuttler | cls |
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| 11:21.43 | streuner | hm |
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| 11:24.48 | liable | stupid troll? :P |
| 11:25.43 | penny | me? |
| 11:26.01 | Vincent25 | which file is used to make things run ie modprobe automatically @ boot, is it rc.local somewhere |
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| 11:26.10 | Vincent25 | now i have debian |
| 11:26.13 | streuner | /etc/modules |
| 11:26.23 | streuner | dpkg, rc.local |
| 11:26.24 | dpkg | i guess rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 11:27.21 | penny | SysV lol |
| 11:27.44 | liable | Vincent25: as you can see, depends if your talking modules, or start up scripts.. |
| 11:27.52 | Vincent25 | a module |
| 11:28.00 | Vincent25 | for the snd card |
| 11:28.26 | liable | /etc/modules then.. |
| 11:28.39 | streuner | Vincent25: what kernel do you use? |
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| 11:28.52 | bibe | Vincent25 : the module shows up in 'modprobe -l |grep <module_name>', but not in 'lsmod |grep <module_name>'? |
| 11:29.25 | liable | !ignore tralala |
| 11:29.36 | Vincent25 | it was 2.4, its now 2.6.8-2 |
| 11:29.47 | Vincent25 | on debian sarge |
| 11:29.58 | liable | tralala: sorry, just had the urge, that cmd works to well, with your nick :) |
| 11:30.07 | streuner | Vincent25: just apt-get install alsa-utils and run 'alsaconf' as root |
| 11:30.17 | tralala | liable: :) |
| 11:30.26 | penny | 2.6.13 now |
| 11:30.29 | Gumby | I am trying to compile a 2.6.11.1 kernel and I have created a debian kernel package and have installed it. However /lib/modules/2.6.11.1 seems to be missing all of the modules, have I missed something? |
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| 11:31.27 | bibe | Gumby : try 'dpkg -L <kernel_image_name>', does this command show the modules that are missing? |
| 11:32.10 | liable | Gumby: you built more than one 2.6.11 kernel?? |
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| 11:32.25 | Gumby | liable: thats possible, its someone elses box. |
| 11:32.40 | Gumby | bibe: doesnt seem like it. I might have to recheck the .config |
| 11:32.50 | liable | Gumby: well, easy to find out, and if so , add a revision.. |
| 11:33.19 | bibe | Gumby : or a --append-to-version "-gumby01" parameter |
| 11:33.34 | Vincent25 | rebooting |
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| 11:35.07 | lars____ | Is there any program to test if the mouse works... A program that works from the command line. |
| 11:35.34 | bibe | lars____ : cat /dev/<mouse_device>, then move the mouse |
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| 11:35.35 | liable | cat /dev/input/mice, move it around.. |
| 11:36.14 | lars____ | liable: no such unit.. Can it be mounted on another device? |
| 11:36.39 | liable | yeah, what kind of mouse? |
| 11:36.57 | lars____ | liable: just a simpel PS2 mouse from Rekker. |
| 11:37.00 | bibe | lars____ : try /dev/psaux |
| 11:37.02 | lars____ | sorry Trekker* |
| 11:37.26 | lars____ | bibe: that worked. But why cant X start with the mouse then? |
| 11:38.19 | bibe | lars____ : what mouse device is listed in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 11:38.20 | liable | lars____: whats the error? |
| 11:38.51 | SimonRaven | @kernel |
| 11:38.59 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.12.5, prepatch: 2.6.13-rc7, snapshot: 2.6.12-git10, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-pre3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.13-rc6-mm2 |
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| 11:39.31 | PaPyRene10 | root can play streaming sound with xmms; hosts.allow => ALL: 127.0.0.1 / hosts.deny => nothing; ordinary users get "couldn't connect to host localhost"; what now? |
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| 11:40.25 | bibe | PaPyRene10 : what are the owner/group/permissions of /etc/hosts? |
| 11:40.33 | row | Hi there I was wondering how would I go about restoring files found in lost+found it was after some messy partion altering and restoring and moving to and from ext2-3, I googled for ages but could not find out anything on howto restore them on ext3 system? |
| 11:41.10 | penny | row, ... |
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| 11:41.24 | roods | what does this mean cp: NDF.failed: Disc quota exceeded |
| 11:41.29 | roods | how do i check what my quota is |
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| 11:42.58 | PaPyRene10 | bibe: -rw-r--r-- root root /etc/hosts |
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| 11:44.36 | bibe | PaPyRene10 : try 'ls -l /dev/dsp /dev/mixer' |
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| 11:45.27 | PaPyRene10 | bibe: crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 3 2001-04-15 02:44 /dev/dsp |
| 11:45.37 | PaPyRene10 | bibe: crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 0 2001-04-15 02:44 /dev/mixer |
| 11:46.23 | bibe | PaPyRene10 : sorry, no more ideas... :-S |
| 11:47.10 | cinix | PaPyRene10, what's the problem? |
| 11:47.13 | PaPyRene10 | bibe: ok thnx |
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| 11:47.47 | Caelum | PaPyRene10: are your users in group audio? see /etc/group |
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| 11:48.42 | cinix | anyone know why my icewm icons would be all fuzzy, and my title bars transparent and unclickable? |
| 11:48.45 | PaPyRene10 | Caelum: yes my users are in group audio |
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| 11:50.40 | Caelum | PaPyRene10: running any firewalls? do you have a localhost entry in /etc/hosts? |
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| 11:51.44 | umbop | hey guys, how do i get a list of all the installed packages? |
| 11:51.55 | streuner | umbop: dpkg -l |
| 11:51.57 | asg | umbop: dpkg -l |
| 11:51.58 | Althaser | umbop dpkg -l |
| 11:52.03 | umbop | thanks |
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| 11:52.26 | streuner | dpkg, win streuner |
| 11:52.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, streuner! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 11:52.41 | Althaser | loL |
| 11:52.48 | tralala | !lol |
| 11:52.48 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
| 11:53.16 | umbop | is there a way to remove all packages related to a particular package i.e. sometimes when you download say package x, it needs libx, liby and you also install those? what if i want to remove everything it required including itself? |
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| 11:53.44 | PaPyRene10 | Caelum: yes I have a firewall (SnapGear LITE with linux stripped); but as root I can play streaming sound via xmms, but not as ordinary user; thus I suppose it has nothing to do with the firewall because the firewall can not see if the service asked comes from a root or an ordinary user... |
| 11:53.54 | streuner | umbop: well, if you remove a lib, everythin which depends on it would removed too... |
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| 11:54.15 | tralala | umbop: take a look at deborphan |
| 11:54.21 | umbop | thanks |
| 11:54.29 | streuner | umbop: /msg dpkg deborphan |
| 11:54.32 | streuner | would help too |
| 11:54.37 | Caelum | PaPyRene10: what are you using to stream sound? on what port? |
| 11:54.53 | PaPyRene10 | Caelum: /etc/hosts => 127.000.000.001localhost |
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| 11:55.56 | rm-r | I have problem running jvm 5.0 as a Firefox 1.0.4 plugin, I think it is an incompatibility problem, does anyone have the same problem? |
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| 11:56.37 | rm-r | s/jvm/jre/ |
| 11:56.51 | PerfDave | rm-r: Nope, I don't touch Sun's Java with a bargepole and I'm much happier for it ;) |
| 11:57.05 | CasaNova_ | Oh drats I just saw topic. It appears 4.0 gcc is in testing but My kerenl was compiled with 3.3.6 (Stock 2.6.11) and now I cant build vmware kernel modules... or is 2.6.8 built with 3.3.6 GCC? |
| 11:57.10 | penny | haha |
| 11:57.30 | PaPyRene10 | Caelum: www.shoutcast.com; fe: http://212.97.207.90:8001 |
| 11:57.53 | streuner | CasaNova_: you need kernel-headers for your kernel |
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| 11:58.19 | penny | PaPyRene10, ? |
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| 11:58.28 | umbop | hmm if i do dpkg -l | grep package, i am getting back rc package , but if i do apt-get -y remove --purge package, it is saying it isn't installed |
| 11:58.30 | CasaNova_ | streuner: The errors are due to having a kernel compiled with 3 GCC and 4.0 GCC installed. it doesn't like that... |
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| 11:58.40 | PaPyRene10 | penny: yes? |
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| 11:58.50 | penny | PaPyRene10, what's that? |
| 11:59.01 | streuner | CasaNova_: so the kernel-headers are installed? |
| 11:59.14 | CasaNova_ | I believe so let me double check... |
| 11:59.19 | PaPyRene10 | penny: what is what, what do you mean? |
| 11:59.28 | penny | PaPyRene10, stream? |
| 11:59.32 | streuner | CasaNova_: what does 'uname -a' say? |
| 11:59.57 | PaPyRene10 | penny: listing to streaming sound fe radio via internet |
| 12:00.03 | penny | PaPyRene10, oh,I see. |
| 12:00.07 | CasaNova_ | Linux elrey 2.6.11-1-686 #1 Mon Jun 20 22:00:38 MDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:00.59 | Caelum | PaPyRene10: umm... try using telnet to the shoutcast port as a user, try both localhost:port and realip:port and see if you get a connection refused |
| 12:01.06 | umbop | dpkg -l | grep evolution => rc evolution 2.2.2-4 The groupware suite ; apt-get -y remove --purge evolution => Package evolution is not installed, so not removed |
| 12:01.07 | dpkg | ii |
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| 12:01.09 | streuner | CasaNova_: apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.6.11 |
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| 12:01.23 | micka | i have no /dev/sda* ? when plug mu usbstick why |
| 12:01.24 | CasaNova_ | Sine upgradign (testing) I have gcc 4.0 as the default ( I can link to 3.3.5) but the kernel was built with 3.3.6 and vmware doesn't like the gcc version mathing the compiled kernel's exactly ( kerenel-headers are installed. |
| 12:01.32 | PaPyRene10 | Caelum: telnet: could not resolve 8001/telnet: Name or service not known |
| 12:01.39 | tralala | umbop: aptitude purge package |
| 12:01.42 | PaPyRene10 | Caelum: what is normal |
| 12:01.45 | CasaNova_ | id kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686 |
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| 12:01.49 | Selekta | in synaptic, when you choose a program, and it needs dependancies, it says some of these dependancies are not installable...what does this mean? |
| 12:01.52 | Selekta | can i not install them? |
| 12:02.03 | streuner | CasaNova_: well, ask vmware about then |
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| 12:02.08 | umbop | tralala, why would it not be removed through the other method? |
| 12:02.16 | PaPyRene10 | Caelum: telnet 127.0.0.1 => telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 12:02.29 | Caelum | PaPyRene10: err, are you just trying to listen to internet radio or to stream stuff? |
| 12:02.30 | tralala | umbop: to purge all uninstalled and unpurged packages: aptitude purge $(aptitude search ~c) |
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| 12:02.41 | CasaNova_ | streuner: my question was is - is there a way to downgrade to 3.3.6 or can I find a stock debian lerenl compiled with 4.0 GCC? |
| 12:02.42 | PaPyRene10 | Caelum: listen |
| 12:02.52 | PaPyRene10 | Caelum: maybe stream later ;-) |
| 12:03.05 | micka | sd_mod: can't be loaded (for disk) |
| 12:03.19 | Caelum | PaPyRene10: ahh ok. So the problem must be with your local sound server. Are you using esd or alsa? |
| 12:03.24 | tralala | umbop: also check /msg dpkg purge |
| 12:03.30 | umbop | thanks |
| 12:03.31 | streuner | CasaNova_: /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink - you could change that whenever you want... |
| 12:03.58 | PaPyRene10 | Caelum: it works for root!! |
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| 12:04.07 | Caelum | PaPyRene10: try using different sound output methods in xmms |
| 12:04.10 | CasaNova_ | streuner: I tried that and pointed it to gcc-3.3 but that was 3.3.5 and the 2.6.11-1 kernel was compiled wiht 3.3.6! weird.. |
| 12:04.21 | jethro | PaPyRene10: is your user memeber of the audio group? |
| 12:04.29 | resiak | What's the correct fix for "dircolors doesn't believe that rxvt-unicode does colour"? Debian's package just switched to identifying as that from identifying as rxvt. I could just set TERM=xterm but that would be evil, bad and wrong. |
| 12:04.36 | PaPyRene10 | jethro: yes |
| 12:04.44 | streuner | CasaNova_: cat /proc/version |
| 12:05.02 | CasaNova_ | Linux version 2.6.11-1-686 (dannf@firetheft) (gcc version 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-6)) #1 Mon Jun 20 22:00:38 MDT 2005 |
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| 12:05.49 | micka | ldd /usr/bin/gtk-query-immodules-2.0 |
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| 12:05.58 | onlinebacon | hello |
| 12:06.00 | micka | libXfixes.so.0 => not found |
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| 12:06.41 | Caelum | PaPyRene10: what sound output plugin have you selected in xmms? |
| 12:06.46 | PaPyRene10 | only as root I can listen to streaming sound with xmms; hosts.allow => ALL: 127.0.0.1 / hosts.deny => nothing; ordinary users in /etc/group audio get "couldn't connect to host localhost"... |
| 12:07.00 | micka | /usr/X11R6/lib/libXfixes.so.0 |
| 12:07.35 | Angel-SL | !purge |
| 12:07.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, purge is to complete wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package]..or if you allready removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge $(aptitude search ~c) |
| 12:07.37 | micka | who tell at gtk-query-immodules-2.0 link /usr/X11R6/lib/libXfixes.so.0 ? |
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| 12:07.55 | tralala | PaPyRene10: do you have localhost in your /etc/hosts? Do you have packet filtering enabled? |
| 12:08.09 | micka | !purge |
| 12:08.09 | dpkg | somebody said purge was to complete wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package]..or if you allready removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge $(aptitude search ~c) |
| 12:08.12 | streuner | micka: we told you that we don't support your distro |
| 12:08.45 | jtan325 | hi does anyone in here know a bit about debian packaging? |
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| 12:08.59 | micka | streuner: help me name tools debian for link /usr/X11R6/lib/libXfixes.so.0 |
| 12:09.00 | cmihai | jtan325, what's debian? |
| 12:09.17 | penny | jtan325, yep, his name is google |
| 12:09.22 | jtan325 | haha |
| 12:09.23 | jtan325 | no |
| 12:09.23 | micka | one minute |
| 12:09.29 | jtan325 | i am trying to debug this lintian error |
| 12:09.45 | jtan325 | and google doesn't help on manpage-in-wrong-directory |
| 12:09.52 | jtan325 | i mean, i've double-checked my man page |
| 12:10.01 | penny | jtan325, sorry, her name is dpkg |
| 12:10.04 | jtan325 | and i am pretty sure i've got the right section number |
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| 12:10.22 | jtan325 | ok |
| 12:10.32 | penny | ^_^ |
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| 12:12.24 | Caelum | jtan325: how are you installing the man page? to what section, and is it a binary package or a lib? |
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| 12:12.51 | Vincent25 | alsa sorted, now working automatically at boot up ty |
| 12:13.05 | Vincent25 | i forgot that debian was different to others |
| 12:13.08 | jtan325 | Caelum, one second |
| 12:13.33 | jtan325 | E: conky: manpage-in-wrong-directory usr/share/man/mang/conky.1.gz |
| 12:13.33 | jtan325 | E: conky: manpage-in-wrong-directory usr/share/man/manh/docs.html.gz |
| 12:13.54 | jtan325 | Caelum, in the source folder, there is a "doc" subdirectory |
| 12:13.55 | tralala | !tell jtan325 -about paste |
| 12:13.56 | eleknader | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:14.18 | jtan325 | sorry for the pasting, i thought two lines might be ok |
| 12:14.22 | jtan325 | anway |
| 12:14.29 | jethro | !lart jtan325 |
| 12:14.50 | jtan325 | *anyway, there is conky.1 file in the doc subdirectory |
| 12:14.53 | Caelum | jtan325: there's no mang or manh... check the rules file or write your own |
| 12:15.03 | jtan325 | yeah |
| 12:15.04 | PaPyRene10 | only as root I can listen to streaming sound with xmms; /etc/hosts => localhost / hosts.allow => ALL: 127.0.0.1 / hosts.deny => nothing; ordinary users in /etc/group audio get "couldn't connect to host localhost" (cannot telnet too, even as root)... |
| 12:15.10 | jtan325 | so the rules file |
| 12:15.11 | jtan325 | i do |
| 12:15.17 | jtan325 | "dh_installman doc/conky.1" |
| 12:15.21 | jtan325 | isn't that right? |
| 12:15.29 | jethro | !wayttd PaPyRene10 ? |
| 12:15.35 | jtan325 | and it should install to /us/share/man/man1/conky/ |
| 12:15.38 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, PaPyRene10? |
| 12:15.53 | jtan325 | i have no idea where this manh and mang are coming from |
| 12:16.20 | Caelum | jtan325: it means your .TH is wrong |
| 12:16.20 | PaPyRene10 | Caelum: output plugin used in xmms while listening to streaming : 'Crossfade Plugin' |
| 12:16.33 | jtan325 | and the first line of conky.1, i have ".TH conky 1 2005\-08\-18" |
| 12:16.42 | jtan325 | is that wrong? |
| 12:17.23 | jethro | PaPyRene10: if you want to listen to an audio stream served off some public server on the internet, there's no reasons to alter /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} |
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| 12:17.42 | jtan325 | Caelum, i even tried taking out "dh_installman" from the rules all together |
| 12:17.43 | jethro | PaPyRene10: nor is there a reason to telnet localhost ... |
| 12:17.49 | jtan325 | but i get the same lintian error.... |
| 12:17.50 | PaPyRene10 | tralala: yes localhost is in /etc/hosts and packet filtering is not enabled |
| 12:18.10 | PaPyRene10 | jethro: I think you are right |
| 12:18.14 | kamaraju | Is anyone able to access google's talk feature through gaim? I tried following http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24073 to the word. But it does not connect to the server. So I dont know whether the server is down or I am doing something stupid. Can someone help me? |
| 12:18.26 | jethro | PaPyRene10: yeah I know I am right. |
| 12:18.37 | cmihai | kamaraju, yes, it warks. Google talk works with gaim. |
| 12:18.44 | *** part/#debian eleknader (n=tapio@prv-gw-245.phkk.fi) |
| 12:18.44 | cmihai | Just that you type instead of talking. |
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| 12:18.50 | cmihai | As in, no mic support. |
| 12:18.57 | Caelum | jtan325: no clue then, sorry |
| 12:19.03 | cmihai | Gaim-vv might have that, but who cares. |
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| 12:19.11 | kamaraju | cmihai: Are you able to connect now? |
| 12:19.20 | cmihai | Yes |
| 12:19.25 | Caelum | PaPyRene10: I mean, are you using oss, alsa, esd, etc? |
| 12:19.34 | PaPyRene10 | jethro: something must be wrong somewher with permissions so root can listen to streaming but not ordinary users; but which device? |
| 12:19.42 | cmihai | http://gmail.google.com/talk/otherclients.html |
| 12:20.08 | PaPyRene10 | Caelum: I think alsa, but how can I check that? |
| 12:20.23 | tralala | grep snd /proc/modules |
| 12:20.28 | jethro | PaPyRene10: can you play mp3s as non root ? |
| 12:20.33 | kamaraju | For me it says Signon: kamaraju@gmail.com/Gaim Connecting and just hangs there. Any idea? |
| 12:20.44 | Caelum | PaPyRene10: there's an option in xmms settings somehwere |
| 12:20.57 | elirips | hello. anyone got me a hint how i can play a .aif -file in linux? should be some audio-format i never heard off before.. |
| 12:21.32 | tralala | elirips: apt-cache search aif player |
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| 12:22.14 | sward | PerfDave: They don't have it setup to talk to other Jabber (i.e. non-Google) users yet either |
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| 12:22.18 | elirips | tralala: do you know about a plugin for xmms? |
| 12:22.24 | kamaraju | cmihai: Can you tell me What your gaim version is? |
| 12:22.24 | tralala | no |
| 12:22.25 | PerfDave | sward: Oh, don't they? That's really shit. |
| 12:22.53 | adrinux | can anyone help a noob update mysql in sarge? |
| 12:23.01 | PaPyRene10 | tralala: in /proc/modules no snd module (but I can play as root !!) |
| 12:23.07 | PerfDave | sward: So they're taking a protocol which is by design very cleverly set up to be decentralised and not under any one person's control, and breaking it to be as flawed as any other centralised IM protocol? |
| 12:23.14 | sward | PerfDave: Nope, I had to try it :) Yet another way for Google to spy on my comms |
| 12:23.17 | toresbe | elirips: It's very close to .wav |
| 12:23.20 | sep | adrinux, from woody to sarge, or from sarge's 4.0 to sarge. 4.1 ? |
| 12:23.21 | adrinux | I'm getting an error: Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) |
| 12:23.22 | tralala | PaPyRene10: so you're probably using oss. uname -a? |
| 12:23.37 | sward | PerfDave: quite, I think they plan to change that for release though |
| 12:23.41 | toresbe | elirips: xmms might play it, mplayer almost surely will |
| 12:23.48 | cmihai | kamaraju, latest. |
| 12:23.52 | adrinux | when upgrading to the latest security release mysql-server-4.1 4.1.11a-4 |
| 12:23.57 | PaPyRene10 | jethro: as ordinary user I can play anything (mp3 ogg wav ...) except streaming from the internet... |
| 12:24.05 | PerfDave | sward: Frankly, I'll believe it when I see it. I mean, it's not like making it externally compatiable is *more* work - they've had to try hard to break it this much. |
| 12:24.06 | cmihai | I don't even think it matters much. Just do like in the tutorial |
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| 12:24.18 | sward | PerfDave: I had trouble getting Psi to work with it too, I'm now running Psi for my normal Jabber account, and Gaim for gmail |
| 12:24.20 | elirips | toresbe: thanks. i'll give mplayer a try. |
| 12:24.27 | kamaraju | Damn! I wonder why gaim is not able to access gmail.com |
| 12:24.27 | jethro | PaPyRene10: I suspect a pebcak |
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| 12:24.34 | PerfDave | sward: Well, you can always use Jabber's OpenPGP support to do end-to-end encryption of Jabber conversations between Gmail Jabber users ;) |
| 12:24.37 | adrinux | so just applying hte security update is a problem sep |
| 12:24.47 | PerfDave | sward: I haven't bothered trying it. I already have a Jabber account ;) |
| 12:25.13 | cmihai | kamaraju, set it right, and it works. |
| 12:25.16 | sward | PerfDave: That requires the client to support it.. guess which one doesn't work, but does support the OpenPGP encryption |
| 12:25.19 | PaPyRene10 | tralala: linux 2.2.20-xfs |
| 12:25.22 | PerfDave | sward: I did note that Psi is on their list of supported clients. |
| 12:25.31 | PerfDave | sward: I heard that gaim supported OpenPGP now... |
| 12:25.44 | sward | PerfDave: Errr.. *looks* |
| 12:25.54 | kamaraju | cmihai: I dont know what else I can do. I followed the link exactly and it is not working. |
| 12:26.01 | PaPyRene10 | jethro: what is a pebcak? |
| 12:26.07 | asg | !pebcak |
| 12:26.07 | dpkg | pebcak is probably Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 12:26.31 | cmihai | kamaraju, http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24073 This? |
| 12:26.55 | cmihai | See the advanced options also |
| 12:27.00 | tralala | PaPyRene10: 2.2.20! Would you like to try a kernel from the current millenium? |
| 12:27.06 | cmihai | Connect server: talk.google.com - that also. |
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| 12:27.29 | sward | PerfDave: I see the FAQ says it does: "Short answer: Yes, use the SILC protocol." |
| 12:27.35 | cmihai | It's just jabber, it should work. Works fine here with gaim. |
| 12:27.58 | PerfDave | sward: SILC protocol? Isn't that the gaim-specific horribleness? |
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| 12:28.07 | Virtual | When I try to load the volume manager I get the following error : "The applet encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet". |
| 12:28.10 | Virtual | any ideas how to fix it? |
| 12:28.16 | sward | PerfDave: No idea, I don't really like Gaim, as you know |
| 12:28.25 | PaPyRene10 | tralala: sorry Linux version 2.4.20-xfs |
| 12:28.28 | PerfDave | sward: Fair enough. I know gaim has some gaim-specific encryption nastiness. |
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| 12:28.42 | jp_newserver | lulu |
| 12:28.44 | jp_newserver | hello |
| 12:28.45 | jp_newserver | :-) |
| 12:28.55 | asg | !fr |
| 12:28.55 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 12:29.21 | PaPyRene10 | tralala: BTW if I can listen to streaming as root and not as an ordinary user what has that to do with the kernel... |
| 12:29.25 | tralala | PaPyRene10: anyway, what was again that you are trying to accomplish? |
| 12:29.29 | asg | PaPyRene10: /msg dpkg audio |
| 12:29.37 | elirips | hello. i'm trying to compile kernel 2.6.12.5, but i get 'fs/jffs2/background.c: In function `jffs2_garbage_collect_thread':; fs/jffs2/background.c:95: error: too many arguments to function `try_to_freeze''. i thought this is because of JFS filesystem support, so i did not set any of the JFS_FS option - but i still get the error. anyone knows how to correct it? |
| 12:29.37 | sep | adrinux and your upgrading with aptitude update && aptitude upgrade ? |
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| 12:29.52 | sep | adrinux, and you have no non official sources ? |
| 12:29.52 | kamaraju | cmihai: with talk.google.com it is different. I am getting disconnected immediately. |
| 12:30.00 | asg | elirips: no, but are you running sid by chance? |
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| 12:30.12 | adrinux | no, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade |
| 12:30.13 | tralala | PaPyRene10: the kernel has to do with the sound system you're using |
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| 12:30.17 | PaPyRene10 | asg: what i /msg? |
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| 12:30.24 | asg | !tell PaPyRene10 about audio |
| 12:30.31 | elirips | asg: no, i am running debian sarge. |
| 12:30.32 | asg | PaPyRene10: see the bit about adding your user to the 'audio' group |
| 12:30.41 | asg | elirips: okay, nevermind then. |
| 12:30.59 | asg | elirips: try #kernel perhaps |
| 12:31.12 | sep | adrinux, i can't tell you why the mysql security upgrade dont work, but you could -stop mysql- backup mysql databases, remove mysql, install new from security mysql, and start it again |
| 12:31.13 | adrinux | sep: i do have volatile source enabled, but I'm not sure anthing's been installed from it, possibly clamav |
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| 12:31.18 | cmihai | kamaraju, look, just do _everything_ on that page, and it _should_ work great. Works here.Just in case, see that you have the latest gaim around. |
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| 12:31.24 | elirips | asg: i'm afraid of sid :P. already tried there, seems like everyone is sleeping... |
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| 12:31.52 | cmihai | Compiled it myself, the sid package of gaim is b0rked. |
| 12:31.56 | kamaraju | cmihai: By latest gaim you mean latest from sid right? |
| 12:31.58 | adrinux | sep: thanks. some hard work there :/ Oh well :) |
| 12:31.59 | cmihai | So it's the latest. |
| 12:32.02 | sep | adrinux, shoudn't conflict |
| 12:32.03 | asg | elirips: maybe #kernelnewbies then |
| 12:32.05 | sward | PerfDave: However you do it with Gaim, I can't seem to find it (in the package provided by the unspeakable Debian knock-off I'm currently running) |
| 12:32.10 | cmihai | Don't know, the sid package seems b0rked here. |
| 12:32.15 | cmihai | It wants to remove gnome ;) |
| 12:32.19 | sward | PerfDave: Psi is soooo much nicer :) |
| 12:32.23 | sep | adrinux, but if it's a problem in the security package, you should find it in bugtracker |
| 12:32.25 | elirips | asg: thanks, going to try there. |
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| 12:32.34 | asg | elirips: it's ##kernelnewbies, btw, sorry. |
| 12:32.48 | adrinux | sep: yeah, I've searched bug tracker, and googled |
| 12:32.51 | Rawplayer | CarlCox: nicklamer |
| 12:32.54 | elirips | asg: i got forwarded there automatically. |
| 12:32.57 | Rawplayer | its not cool to abuse it |
| 12:33.00 | asg | elirips: ah |
| 12:34.05 | ralf | Rawplayer: what? |
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| 12:34.35 | Capkirk | howcome apache send mails with the sender : <www-data@hostname> when hostname -f returns the FQDN ? |
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| 12:34.55 | asg | Capkirk: your mta isn't rewriting addresses |
| 12:35.44 | rokee | æäļå―äššåïž |
| 12:35.47 | Capkirk | asg: it shouldn't? apache should send mails with the sender : <www-data@hostname.domainname.com> |
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| 12:36.06 | kamaraju | cmihai: I am using 1.5.0 What is your gaim's version number? |
| 12:36.24 | rac | please can you test my server at http://84.101.80.6 |
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| 12:37.17 | Virtual | When I try to load the volume manager I get the following error : "The applet encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet". |
| 12:37.19 | Virtual | any ideas how to fix it? |
| 12:37.33 | skate | rac. nothing loads |
| 12:37.41 | rac | thanks |
| 12:37.54 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 12:37.55 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of rutabagas, a little vegemite, and a handful of sex-crazed ostriches. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 12:38.03 | skate | was that supposed to load a page? |
| 12:38.19 | aglet | I'd like to back up some files to ISO9660 images in order (ie don't care about wasted space); is there anything in Debian that might do the job? |
| 12:38.26 | rac | yes |
| 12:38.44 | cmihai | You mean like mkisofs or what? |
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| 12:39.01 | aglet | will that split into multiple images if the FS is too big for a single CD? |
| 12:39.14 | TraceGreen | Hello, i have install my bootsplash and compile my kernel, but it just black screen when booting. |
| 12:39.14 | cmihai | You can split it before. |
| 12:39.22 | skate | well i never even got a 404, it never even left the page it was on already |
| 12:39.23 | aglet | OK, that's what I'm looking for something to help with |
| 12:39.36 | cmihai | Depends on what you want. |
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| 12:39.43 | aglet | "copy files from here to image dirs until they are a bit under 640Mb" |
| 12:39.49 | cmihai | If it's backup, just tar and split sutff. |
| 12:39.50 | aglet | "then mkisofs them" |
| 12:39.58 | cmihai | Then mkisofs them... |
| 12:40.03 | cmihai | In tar we trust. |
| 12:40.07 | aglet | well, I could do that, but I'd prefer to be able to see the files directly on the CD-ROMs |
| 12:40.09 | cmihai | Safer that way. |
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| 12:40.27 | Caelum | cmihai: my lungs are well coated with it :) |
| 12:40.35 | aglet | then if I lose one CD out of the sequence I'm not hosed |
| 12:40.35 | cmihai | Same here ;) |
| 12:41.05 | cmihai | So just do 650MB dirs that you mkisofs...what's the problem there? |
| 12:41.24 | aglet | how to split a big list of files into a binch of 650Mb dirs? |
| 12:41.29 | cmihai | No more splitting files :) |
| 12:41.36 | aglet | split was a bad choice of words |
| 12:41.36 | aglet | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.47 | double_c | by hand, if it's a one-off job |
| 12:41.54 | cmihai | You mean, scripting it? |
| 12:42.04 | cmihai | du -s -h / sort / magic / ...fuck it, do it by hand :) |
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| 12:42.09 | TraceGreen | and when start X, cat /proc/splash, "Splash screen v3.1.6-2004/03/31 (0xf0, 640x480): off" |
| 12:42.09 | aglet | it's kind of like a hybrid of cpio -p with a media size of 650Mb and mkisofs, but it seems like someone must have (yeah, scripted it?) done this |
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| 12:43.12 | aglet | it struck me that something that would do this would also be handy for filling my MP3 player |
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| 12:43.29 | double_c | aglet: there are one or two backup packages that use mkisofs and cdrecord. don't know their names though, but you might find something on google, perhaps they would show you how to do it |
| 12:43.37 | EruditeHermit | hey, can anyone help me to get my touchpad working properly? |
| 12:43.50 | asg | EruditeHermit: /msg dpkg touchpad |
| 12:44.17 | cmihai | aglet, just do it by hand. You'll still burn the cd's by hand (at least change the cd) so you'll waste no time anyway. |
| 12:44.53 | EruditeHermit | asg: its already set up like that |
| 12:44.55 | rac | can you retry please http://84.101.80.6 |
| 12:45.05 | EruditeHermit | asg: its a kernel upgrade problem |
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| 12:45.48 | asg | EruditeHermit: 2.4 -> 2.6? |
| 12:45.52 | aglet | cmihai: I suppose that's one answer :?) |
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| 12:46.28 | EruditeHermit | asg: 2.6.10-->2.6.12 |
| 12:46.43 | EruditeHermit | asg: they changed something and now tapping doesn't work properly |
| 12:47.27 | spoopin | asg: hi |
| 12:47.31 | aglet | double_c: I had looked, but on looking again, found this: http://scdbackup.webframe.org/README |
| 12:47.32 | asg | spoopin: morning |
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| 12:47.40 | spoopin | asg: everyting alright? |
| 12:47.42 | asg | EruditeHermit: ah, okay. I don't know then. |
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| 12:47.59 | asg | spoopin: yeah, just feeling shitty and need to work on some stuff in quiet. |
| 12:48.12 | spoopin | asg: understandable :) |
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| 12:48.34 | rac | please can you retest my server at http://84.101.80.6 |
| 12:48.34 | asg | spoopin: trying to get my documentation going but it's tough to do in the office. |
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| 12:48.40 | spoopin | asg: got the house to yourself? |
| 12:48.44 | double_c | aglet: cool, and since the dependencies indicate it is a shell script, you can see how they did the split if you want to roll your own |
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| 12:48.46 | asg | spoopin: me and the cats |
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| 12:49.00 | PaPyRene10 | tralala: indeed, the the kernel has to do with the sound system, but I can listen to streaming as root thus the sound system is ok |
| 12:49.02 | spoopin | asg: quite. |
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| 12:49.30 | SimonRaven | @hug asg |
| 12:49.34 | asg | awwww |
| 12:49.43 | kamaraju | wohoo! Finally at last the server responded. I am able to connectto the gmail.com server through gaim. |
| 12:49.48 | aglet | double_c: not convinced it's a shell script, it's a 725k download |
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| 12:50.04 | spoopin | asg: I've got monitor updates to make today.... catch you later? |
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| 12:50.07 | SimonRaven | that's a big script ;) |
| 12:50.12 | asg | spoopin: yeah, I'll be around |
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| 12:50.15 | aglet | SimonRaven: quite |
| 12:50.19 | spoopin | asg: see you then... |
| 12:50.21 | PaPyRene10 | asg: my ordinary users are all in the /etc/audio group except root but I can listen to streaming as root not as ordinary user |
| 12:50.22 | asg | spoopin: later |
| 12:50.23 | rasputnik | kamaraju: you can play hunt the wumpus now, according to wikipedia |
| 12:50.34 | cmihai | aglet, shell scrips can contain tar.gz binary data in them |
| 12:50.41 | cmihai | So you can have a 4GB script. |
| 12:50.48 | asg | PaPyRene10: /etc/audio group? |
| 12:50.52 | cmihai | That's actually a few lines of script in front of a tgz file. |
| 12:50.52 | double_c | aglet: just from the webpage: Software requirements : |
| 12:50.52 | double_c | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.54 | double_c | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.58 | kamaraju | rasputnik: :-) |
| 12:51.05 | double_c | oops, crappy paste, sorry all |
| 12:51.07 | SimonRaven | root doesn't need to be a member of anything |
| 12:51.14 | rasputnik | kamaraju: see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Talk#Easter_egg |
| 12:51.20 | SimonRaven | has its primary group and that's it |
| 12:51.38 | rasputnik | haven't got it working yet, I don't know what the hell I'm doing with gaim |
| 12:51.44 | aglet | cmihai: yeah, I know, I've used shar before |
| 12:52.11 | SimonRaven | ohnoz, shar!!111!! |
| 12:52.18 | double_c | aglet: the archive includes statically compiled binaries for cdrecord and mkisofs, that will explain the size |
| 12:52.19 | kamaraju | rasputnik: are you trying for the google talk with gaim? |
| 12:52.30 | aglet | cheers all, off to go & try scdbackup for size |
| 12:52.53 | double_c | aglet: also, beware of using its automatic installation script, might end up with different cdrecord and mkisofs on your path |
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| 12:53.00 | PaPyRene10 | asg: /etc/audio doesn't exist |
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| 12:53.16 | rasputnik | kamaraju: yeah - I can log in but I don't know how to even add a buddy. If only there was somekind of website I could paste questions int.... hey, wait a minute |
| 12:53.20 | SimonRaven | no kidding |
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| 12:53.23 | asg | PaPyRene10: yes, I was wondering wth you meant by /etc/audio |
| 12:53.35 | kamaraju | rasputnik: Even I am unable to add a buddy. |
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| 12:54.15 | rasputnik | kamaraju: Even you ? :) Sadly most of my real life buddies have yet to be assimilated into the Googletron |
| 12:54.46 | SimonRaven | you need more geek friends ;p |
| 12:54.48 | |Trev_| | I want to find out how much space is assigned to a current swap drive /dev/hda2 .. |
| 12:55.00 | jm_ | |Trev_|: man swapon |
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| 12:55.04 | |Trev_| | thanks |
| 12:55.21 | drasko | tell me the diference between foo=$(($foo+1)), foo=$($foo+1), and foo=($foo+1), in shell script. In other words, why use foo=$(($foo+1)), when it sounds logic to me that foo=($foo+1) shoul work? |
| 12:55.23 | SimonRaven | that's a partition, not a drive. the drive would be /dev/hda |
| 12:55.30 | kamaraju | rasputnik: the window is just plain white no matter how many buddies I add. |
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| 12:55.51 | SimonRaven | drasko: $() == `` |
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| 12:56.12 | rasputnik | kamaraju: tick 'show offline buddies' under the buddies menu. I'm going to try gajim |
| 12:56.15 | SimonRaven | drasko: $() is more posix (though some would argue `` is too) |
| 12:56.15 | PaPyRene10 | asg: in /etc/group the audio group contains all the ordinary users, not root; but I can only listen to streaming sound via xmms as root not as an ordinary user ??? |
| 12:56.17 | asg | drasko: $(( )) == expr |
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| 12:56.27 | |Trev_| | jm_ worked great thanks ! swapon -s |
| 12:56.34 | jm_ | |Trev_|: indeed |
| 12:56.37 | linoleum | hello guys, I got a question : before , I was in sarge and I had no probleme with my locale setting. but now, when I do an apt-get install "something", I almost always got that : perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 12:56.37 | linoleum | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
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| 12:56.45 | SimonRaven | PaPyRene10: what does getent group audio show? |
| 12:56.48 | kamaraju | rasputnik: hehe. That was stupid of me. It works now. thanks. |
| 12:56.50 | linoleum | and I am in sid now |
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| 12:57.04 | SimonRaven | PaPyRene10: then what does id say? (do that as your user) |
| 12:57.04 | asg | PaPyRene10: did you just add the user(s) to the audio group or have they always been members? If the latter, does cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp work as a normal user or show permission denied? |
| 12:57.13 | lilldude | what shel to auto run cd test image |
| 12:57.35 | rasputnik | does gajim only talk to jabber.org or something ? weak |
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| 12:58.21 | rasputnik | kamaraju: did you add a full email address, or just username? |
| 12:58.22 | PaPyRene10 | SimonRaven: getent group audio => audio:x:29:rd,test,jd (rd is my ordinary user who can not listen to streaming) |
| 12:58.37 | SimonRaven | PaPyRene10: what about id? |
| 12:58.38 | kamaraju | rasputnik: Just the username |
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| 12:59.03 | drasko | SimonRaven, ok, but whaen I startet for example with foo=1, why use foo=$(($foo+1)), and not foo=($foo+1), when I wnt to say foo=2? |
| 12:59.07 | rasputnik | ahh, ok. I'll try that (they all show 'Not Authorised' (on etch) |
| 12:59.20 | SimonRaven | drasko: different things there |
| 12:59.43 | xerophyte | how can i get tree kind of output with ls ? |
| 12:59.47 | SimonRaven | man bash |
| 13:00.05 | SimonRaven | man ls :) |
| 13:00.16 | adrinux | sep: I think it's sorted, I just did 'aptitude -f install' twice and then 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude upgrade', seems to be running and up to date now |
| 13:00.28 | kamaraju | rasputnik: They probably have to accept the invitation right? Even I am having 'not authorized' captions. using sid. |
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| 13:00.30 | SimonRaven | i don't think ls does tree layout though... |
| 13:00.35 | drasko | SimonRaven, ok, thanks. I just wanted to ask about this difference anyway |
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| 13:01.01 | SimonRaven | columnar, 1-list, spand default, across the screen, but i've never seen tree |
| 13:01.25 | PaPyRene10 | SimonRaven: id as ordinary user => uid=1001(rd) gid=1001(aago) groups=1001(aago),7(lp),8(mail),10(uucp),20(dialout),21(fax),22(voice),24(cdrom),25(floppy),26(tape),29(audio),30(dip),32(postgres),33(www-data),34(backup),39(irc),44(video),50(staff),100(users),1002(rd), etc... |
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| 13:01.49 | linoleum | how can I set my locale setting?? |
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| 13:01.56 | asg | linoleum: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 13:02.14 | SimonRaven | drasko: well you get variable assignment foo=2, then you get $(foo) execuate foo, etc. the other stuff is like paren wrapping stuff etc. |
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| 13:02.31 | SimonRaven | PaPyRene10: er, you shouldn't be a member of some of those groups BTW |
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| 13:03.03 | prower | Are there any stable packages for Gnome 2.10 or KDE 3.4 available, or would those have to wait until the next major release? |
| 13:03.04 | skate | asg. just curious, what does it mean when you get "bash: /dev/urandom: Permission denied" as user? |
| 13:03.07 | SimonRaven | PaPyRene10: basically, does id show audio listed? |
| 13:03.13 | skate | my xmms plays streams perfectly |
| 13:03.48 | PaPyRene10 | asg: my user who are "refused to connect to localhost" and so cannot listen to streaming radio are since many years in /etc/group audio, it is now the first time I try streaming; only root can access it |
| 13:04.59 | PerfDave | prower: No stable packages, no. There may be third-party backports, but they're not tested, not supported and don't get security updates. |
| 13:05.16 | asg | skate: look at the perms on /dev/urandom |
| 13:05.37 | skate | cr--r--r-- 1 root root 1, 9 2005-08-24 12:35 urandom |
| 13:05.39 | prower | PerfDave: Ahh, I see...that's too bad :/ |
| 13:05.47 | asg | skate: does it work as root? |
| 13:05.48 | PaPyRene10 | asg: as ordinary user $ cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp works perfect (it only gives noise, what is the goal I suppose ;-) |
| 13:05.52 | skate | dunno, one sec |
| 13:06.08 | skate | haha nope |
| 13:06.12 | skate | what's up with that? |
| 13:06.14 | asg | PaPyRene10: yes, the issue is that whatever 'streaming' function is being blocked, it doesn't have to do with access to the audio device(s) |
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| 13:06.42 | eXistenZ | does anyone know a good torrent client |
| 13:06.45 | asg | skate: well, /dev/urandom is just a file that provides access to a kernel driver. Perhaps you have no kernel support for it? |
| 13:07.03 | skate | no idea |
| 13:07.05 | SimonRaven | PaPyRene10: then it has noting to do with the sound audio membership or other relatedshit. it's higher up the food chain so to speak, like some borked app, or the server is fucked... |
| 13:07.06 | koollman | eXistenZ: bittornado ? |
| 13:07.21 | eXistenZ | koollman: what about azureus? is it better than bittornado? |
| 13:07.30 | PaPyRene10 | SimonRaven: from which groups shouldn't I be a member? (I stand always open to learn ;-) |
| 13:07.50 | koollman | eXistenZ: I don't know |
| 13:08.02 | asg | skate: try /dev/random instead (not as random but you should be able to access it) |
| 13:08.07 | SimonRaven | PaPyRene10: like www-data, for instance, and disk |
| 13:08.28 | SimonRaven | fucking M$hit worms... |
| 13:08.30 | PaPyRene10 | SimonRaven: id as ordinary user show audio in the groups thus that is ok |
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| 13:08.38 | SimonRaven | yup |
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| 13:09.16 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: Azureus is a GUI client, and requires Sun's Java which is evil and wrong. The "bittorrent" and "bittornado" packages provide command-line clients which are easier to automate and script. |
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| 13:09.39 | skate | still get permission denied, as user and as root |
| 13:09.46 | SimonRaven | and less overhead ;) |
| 13:09.48 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: There are also non-Java GUIs for both bittorrent and bittornado, in the relevant -gui packages, but I've not used them. |
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| 13:10.13 | asg | skate: are you using udev? |
| 13:10.19 | PaPyRene10 | SimonRaven: ok i Will remove them in /etc/grooups |
| 13:10.21 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: There's also rtorrent, which isn't packaged for Debian stable, but which seems to be a very good ncurses-based client. |
| 13:10.25 | SimonRaven | woohoo |
| 13:10.26 | skate | i don't even think i need to be worrying about it, everything works fine |
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| 13:10.31 | eXistenZ | I see |
| 13:10.34 | skate | i was just curious why |
| 13:10.43 | skate | and yes i am using udev |
| 13:11.21 | asg | skate: well some security critical programs rely on having a good source or randomness. If it isn't working, they might not be as secure as you are led to believe. |
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| 13:12.46 | skate | well, i have no idea why it is happening |
| 13:12.57 | skate | i am on a fresh sarge net install with the 2.6 kernel |
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| 13:13.10 | asg | skate: probably something to do with udev but I don't know, static /dev is just fine for me. |
| 13:13.22 | PerfDave | I should find a couple of hours to play with rtorrent now I've got it compiled actually. |
| 13:13.38 | aglet | CD backup verdict: scdbackup is seriously weird, but it appears to do the job |
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| 13:13.45 | Angel-SL | is there a aptgetable infobot |
| 13:13.46 | PaPyRene10 | accessing streaming sound only as root not as ordinary user is a problem, I gonna give that user root access and try it again... |
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| 13:13.52 | PerfDave | If I can get rtorrent to do what I'm using btlaunchmanycurses.bittornado for, without the memory leaks, I'll be happy. |
| 13:13.52 | asg | Angel-SL: blootbot |
| 13:14.07 | PaPyRene10 | accessing streaming sound only as root not as ordinary user is a problem, I gonna give that user root PERMISSIONS and try it again... |
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| 13:14.09 | double_c | aglet: done a test already? |
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| 13:14.15 | chrysopa | Hi I installed the usbmount, put my pendrive in USB port, a can see my files, but I cant remove the files because the system is readonly. |
| 13:14.21 | Beeesd | should dmsg' not list the version of Debian? |
| 13:14.22 | chrysopa | Any idea? |
| 13:14.35 | asg | Beeesd: no, /etc/debian_version does |
| 13:14.37 | Angel-SL | E: Couldn't find package blootbot |
| 13:14.38 | ssm | chrysopa: the memory stick may be write protected... |
| 13:14.46 | aglet | double_c: no time like the present |
| 13:14.56 | asg | Angel-SL: what debian version are you running? |
| 13:14.57 | Beeesd | ah ok |
| 13:14.59 | Beeesd | tkx |
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| 13:15.03 | Angel-SL | sarge |
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| 13:15.17 | aglet | double_c: not surprised no-one's stepped up to the plate to package it, mind, it's very odd |
| 13:15.21 | asg | !info blootbot sarge |
| 13:15.29 | chrysopa | ssm, in the card, or in usbmount software? How to change this? |
| 13:15.32 | double_c | aglet: did it try to install static versions of cdrtools, or are they just there in case you need them? |
| 13:15.32 | Angel-SL | lol as |
| 13:15.34 | Angel-SL | h |
| 13:15.36 | Angel-SL | g |
| 13:15.48 | Angel-SL | !info blootbot sarge |
| 13:15.48 | aglet | double_c: just in case, the setup script gives you the choice |
| 13:15.49 | ssm | chrysopa: on the pendrive, there's normally a small switch. |
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| 13:16.05 | ssm | chrysopa: or you could try mount -o remount,rw /path/to/pendrive |
| 13:16.06 | asg | Angel-SL: interesting, it was in woody and is in sid. |
| 13:16.12 | jtan325 | what's a unix command to replace the first line in a file with another line as input? sed? or is there something easier |
| 13:16.21 | chrysopa | ssm, I looking for but my pen drive dont have any switch. |
| 13:16.27 | Angel-SL | and not in sarge. wierd |
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| 13:16.31 | Angel-SL | !info blootbot sid |
| 13:16.31 | aglet | double_c: one nice touch is it bungs some shell bits onto the CD so that each part of the archive knows about what cd the other bits can be found on |
| 13:16.34 | asg | jtan325: sed or a perl oneliner |
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| 13:16.43 | dpkg | blootbot: (a severely modified infobot for IRC), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 242 kB, Installed size: 872 kB |
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| 13:17.04 | asg | Angel-SL: you could probably do a simple backport (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 13:17.08 | greycat | jtan325: echo "$thenewline"; sed 1d < oldfile |
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| 13:17.21 | greycat | Arafangion: what broke? |
| 13:17.26 | chrysopa | /dev/sdb1 1 1009 246165+ b W95 FAT32 |
| 13:17.26 | SimonRaven | Arafangion: works ok |
| 13:17.29 | Arafangion | greycat: Can't compile any libc's. |
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| 13:17.34 | double_c | aglet: that sounds useful, I assumed it just split the files without recording their contects. Do you reckon it could survive a missing disk from the set? |
| 13:17.39 | chrysopa | This is my pendrive in fdisk -l |
| 13:17.41 | jethro | wth would you compile a libc? |
| 13:17.42 | greycat | Arafangion: you *compile* libc yourself? |
| 13:17.59 | chrysopa | MOUNTPOINTS="/media/usb0 /media/usb1 /media/usb2 /media/usb3" |
| 13:18.05 | chrysopa | FILESYSTEMS="ext2 ext3 vfat" |
| 13:18.08 | jtan325 | ok thanks guys, will try that |
| 13:18.15 | chrysopa | MOUNTOPTIONS="sync,noexec,nodev,noatime,rw,users" |
| 13:18.18 | Arafangion | greycat: Yup, I've been doing lfs as well. |
| 13:18.23 | chrysopa | FS_MOUNTOPTIONS="-fstype=vfat,gid=floppy,dmask=0007,fmask=0117" |
| 13:18.26 | Danar | i'm having a problem logging in via gdm. there' seems to be a problem with my disk or something. it says it can |
| 13:18.26 | greycat | !pal Arafangion |
| 13:18.29 | jethro | chrysopa: enough |
| 13:18.33 | chrysopa | What is wrong? |
| 13:18.35 | Danar | 't write to my authority file |
| 13:18.36 | Arafangion | greycat: Which makes installing the latest sid libc's even more stupid :( |
| 13:18.39 | jethro | chrysopa: /msg dpkg paster |
| 13:18.46 | Danar | i'm getting things saying i'm out of disk space, though i'm not |
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| 13:18.56 | Danar | fsck says everything's clean |
| 13:19.11 | Danar | but i'm still getting 'out of disk space' errors |
| 13:19.14 | Arafangion | greycat: Getting errors such as: /lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__libc_enable_secure@GLIBC_PRIVATE' |
| 13:19.14 | chrysopa | jethro, what do you mean? |
| 13:19.29 | Arafangion | greycat: Lots of those, all ending in @GLIBC_PRIVATE, as per bug report. |
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| 13:19.33 | jethro | chrysopa: I mean #debian is not the appropriate place to paste things |
| 13:19.34 | tralala | !tell chrysopa -about paster |
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| 13:20.01 | eye69 | Danar: Paste your 'df -h' output in /msg to me |
| 13:20.05 | SimonRaven | Arafangion: restart the daemons. might even need to reboot the machine. also you might have some left over files from previous glibc |
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| 13:20.10 | greycat | in /query not /msg |
| 13:20.19 | greycat | otherwise we'll get everything after line 1. |
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| 13:20.27 | jethro | :) |
| 13:20.28 | Arafangion | SimonRaven: Daemons were restarted automatically. |
| 13:20.29 | eye69 | Furry muff |
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| 13:20.37 | Danar | eye69, i can't right now, i'm on a livecd. i booted to a livecd to fsck the drive |
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| 13:20.51 | yrz | hi |
| 13:20.51 | Danar | eye69, is there anything i can try before rebooting? |
| 13:21.00 | greycat | Danar: mount it, df -h |
| 13:21.05 | Danar | k |
| 13:21.08 | SimonRaven | Arafangion: then it's one of the other 2 |
| 13:21.13 | Arafangion | SimonRaven: I'm thinking of somehow downgrading to testing, I certainly can't get _less_ reliable as it is with a broken libc (For my purposes) |
| 13:21.27 | yrz | is there somewhere a repository with md5 of all binaries and .so of debian releases? |
| 13:21.36 | Arafangion | SimonRaven: Or hopefully finding an Experimental libc and upgrading to that... |
| 13:21.44 | Danar | /dev/hdb2 20G 19G 0 100% /mnt/hdb2 |
| 13:21.47 | SimonRaven | Arafangion: i had the same problem not so long ago. i cleared out some left over crap and everything's fine. has to do with ld.so |
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| 13:22.09 | greycat | yrz: get a sarge CD and a clean box (or hard disk). Do a fresh sarge install, and install the packages you want md5s of. md5 them. store it. |
| 13:22.13 | miguelzinho | some help with syslog-ng, please |
| 13:22.17 | PerfDave | Danar: Your hard drive is full ;) |
| 13:22.19 | SimonRaven | ld.so and another lib... checking |
| 13:22.21 | miguelzinho | destination d_fetchmail { file("/var/log/fetchmail.log"); }; |
| 13:22.21 | miguelzinho | filter f_fetchmail { match("fetchmail"); }; |
| 13:22.21 | miguelzinho | log { source(s_all); filter(f_fetchmail); destination(d_fetchmail); }; |
| 13:22.24 | greycat | miguelzinho: /usr/share/doc/_PKGNAME_ |
| 13:22.32 | Danar | PerfDave, but it's not... or at least, it shouldn't be |
| 13:22.37 | js_ | what does "eth0: memory shortage" generally mean? is it something that can be solved by getting another nic? or do i need more memory? i get this error on a box with quite high traffic |
| 13:22.44 | greycat | Danar: df(1) disagrees with you. |
| 13:22.48 | Arafangion | SimonRaven: "Last time", was it mentioned in bts? |
| 13:22.51 | Danar | i even tried deleting stuff from all my partitions to make sure they all had space |
| 13:22.54 | yrz | greycat: i need different version of packages etc... nobody keep an archive of that somewhere? |
| 13:22.54 | PerfDave | Danar: Look at the output of df. Your hard drive is full. |
| 13:23.13 | Danar | PerfDave, i just deleted ~100Mb from that partition, so it's not |
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| 13:23.14 | miguelzinho | greycat but it not works, syslog do not say any error, but it does not log |
| 13:23.22 | PerfDave | Danar: See that 100%? |
| 13:23.25 | PerfDave | Danar: That means it's full. |
| 13:23.27 | minimec | Hi. I would like to copy some files from my Ipaq Hendheld to my computer. I installed synce-serial and I have a running connection to my Ipaq via ppp0. With the synce software I should have some commands like pcp or pstatus (synce-pcp for debian), but I don't have them. They are not part of the synce-serial package. Where do I find them? |
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| 13:23.32 | SimonRaven | Arafangion: you should have a ld-2.3.5.so there |
| 13:23.39 | SimonRaven | Arafangion: yes |
| 13:23.39 | yrz | greycat: (i'm supposed to check this for more or less 20 different machines) |
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| 13:23.48 | PaPyRene10 | running xmms as ordinary user works great but streaming radio (URL) gives me "Couldn't connect to host localhost"; as root everything works perfectly!!! |
| 13:23.48 | greycat | deleting 100 MB if you're already 150 MB over the minfree won't help you get below the minfree. |
| 13:23.58 | Danar | PerfDave, since when does deleting non-empty files not free up space? |
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| 13:24.02 | SimonRaven | no kidding |
| 13:24.04 | greycat | yrz: so? once you've got the values you need, the rest is easy. right? |
| 13:24.10 | PerfDave | Danar: When there are reserved blocks on your filesystem :) |
| 13:24.12 | Arafangion | SimonRaven: I've got that in there. |
| 13:24.18 | Danar | PerfDave, explain |
| 13:24.25 | asg | PaPyRene10: then find out why it's trying to connect to localhost and why a regular user can't. |
| 13:24.27 | SimonRaven | Arafangion: symlink for it ok? |
| 13:24.44 | yrz | greycat: yes... but... supposed i need to install 20 different version of the same package, some for sarge, some for woody, some for potato... |
| 13:24.50 | SimonRaven | you'll know when everything starts to segfault if it isn't ;) |
| 13:24.52 | rasputnik | Danar: if a process has a filehandle open, removing the file from the OS won't free up space |
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| 13:24.58 | drac | File, with byte 0, e.g. touch blah.. does that blah still take 4kb? Hrm, on ext3/reiserfs/xfs? |
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| 13:25.27 | Arafangion | SimonRaven: Hmm, it's not a symlink. |
| 13:25.28 | Danar | rasputnik, considering i've rebooted since i deleted the files, that shouldn't be a factor |
| 13:25.29 | Gathond | Danar: 2 options, either because you are over the 5% reserved space (default ext2/3) or because the files you deleted were opened by some process |
| 13:25.36 | PerfDave | Danar: A certain percentage of your filesystem, which you specify when you create it, is reserved and only root can write to it. When your hard drive is near to full, only root can add extra stuff. If you start deleting stuff, it won't let a user write to the drive until you get back to having that reserved space free. |
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| 13:25.47 | Danar | Gathond, they weren't being used by anything |
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| 13:26.03 | Danar | PerfDave, thanks :) |
| 13:26.12 | Arafangion | SimonRaven: The issue appears to be when I compile it, not when I actually just use it. |
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| 13:26.19 | SimonRaven | Arafangion: ld.so.1 -> ld-2.3.5.so, ld-lsb-ppc32.so.1 -> ld.so.1, ld-lsb-ppc32.so.2 -> ld.so.1, ld.so.1 -> ld-2.3.5.so |
| 13:26.19 | greycat | Gathond: since he rebooted, the open file theory is shot. |
| 13:26.22 | Danar | how do i find out what the limit is and how much i need to free up? |
| 13:26.27 | Gathond | greycat: true |
| 13:26.34 | PerfDave | Danar: You can retune your filesystem to reduce that limit, but it's a bad idea because it can make it harder to recover. |
| 13:26.34 | Danar | i'd also like to know what took up all the space |
| 13:26.35 | greycat | Danar: keep going until df(1) shows it's not 100% full |
| 13:26.39 | SimonRaven | Arafangion: doesn't matter. is cron running ok? |
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| 13:26.50 | greycat | Arafangion: should be ld-linux* |
| 13:26.56 | PerfDave | Danar: "du -s" is a useful trick for finding used disk space. |
| 13:27.00 | Arafangion | SimonRaven: I'm still using gnome, but haven't restarted it. |
| 13:27.01 | Danar | thx |
| 13:27.03 | greycat | Arafangion: and /lib/ld-X.Y.Z.so |
| 13:27.04 | PaPyRene10 | asg: ok, good idea; that will be my next $1000 question ;-) |
| 13:27.06 | wrfsf | where's the best place to get hard drive info? |
| 13:27.16 | Arafangion | SimonRaven: Experience tells me that if gnome has a problem, gnome-panel would've died by now. |
| 13:27.19 | PerfDave | Danar: as for the filesystem reserved size, it's probably 5%, and I suspect that some tunefs variant will tell you. |
| 13:27.23 | Arafangion | greycat: I have got those. |
| 13:27.25 | SimonRaven | greycat: ld-linux* is gone |
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| 13:27.40 | Arafangion | SimonRaven: ld-linux* has gone? |
| 13:27.53 | Arafangion | wrfsf: What kind of info? |
| 13:27.56 | SimonRaven | i don't see it in my /lib |
| 13:28.07 | PaPyRene10 | I get "connection refused by host localhost" as ordinary user playing streaming with xmms, not as root |
| 13:28.12 | Arafangion | SimonRaven: What replaced it? |
| 13:28.18 | minimec | oh lord it's a miracle: I found them librapi2-tools. I would say this is a deb dependency problem! |
| 13:28.20 | SimonRaven | i'll have to check the x86 when it's back up, but i don't have one on this thing |
| 13:28.27 | wrfsf | Arafangion drive size. |
| 13:28.37 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2005-08-21 13:46 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 -> ld-2.3.5.so* |
| 13:28.40 | SimonRaven | wrfsf: hehe |
| 13:28.44 | greycat | ii libc6 2.3.5-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 13:28.55 | Danar | PerfDave, uh, this could take a while... :/ |
| 13:29.17 | Arafangion | greycat: I suspect it's libc6-dev I have a problem with. |
| 13:29.38 | aglet | double_c: re missing disk, yeah, no probs, the files are just bunged on there in a readable ISO9660 filesystem, which is exactly what I wanted |
| 13:29.40 | SimonRaven | ii libc6 2.3.5-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 13:29.50 | jtan325 | greycat, can you help me witht that sed trick? |
| 13:29.53 | PerfDave | Danar: If you've got a slow disk, sure. |
| 13:29.54 | jtan325 | i am having problems |
| 13:30.04 | greycat | jtan325: sed 1d just deletes the first line from the input stream. |
| 13:30.05 | Danar | PerfDave, no. shouldn't be |
| 13:30.17 | RvGaTe | Does anyone know if Damn Small Lunix has a IRC channel? |
| 13:30.17 | greycat | not much of a trick. |
| 13:30.26 | jtan325 | greycat, that how do you replace that first line? |
| 13:30.38 | greycat | jtan325: { echo blah; sed 1d < oldfile; } > newfile |
| 13:30.39 | Danar | /mnt/hdb2 # du -s |
| 13:30.39 | Danar | 19348640 . |
| 13:30.59 | greycat | Danar: irrelevant. delete until df says you're below 100%. |
| 13:31.03 | jtan325 | with the curly braces? |
| 13:31.07 | jtan325 | or ` ` |
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| 13:31.21 | PerfDave | Danar: That's not a very sensible use of du, it's not telling you anything you didn't already know :) |
| 13:31.23 | Danar | greycat, hard to choose what to delete :/ |
| 13:31.40 | Danar | PerfDave, you said it's a useful trick, so i tried it :p |
| 13:32.07 | Arafangion | I'll look at it again tomorrow. |
| 13:32.11 | Arafangion | Thanks. |
| 13:32.23 | Danar | well, thanks for your help guys |
| 13:32.26 | greycat | jtan325: did I fucking TYPE backticks? No. I didn't. |
| 13:32.39 | greycat | jtan325: so WHY would you get the notion to replace my braces with backticks? |
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| 13:33.02 | ricky_clarkson2 | !seen RichiH |
| 13:33.07 | dpkg | richih is currently on #debian (15h 24m 44s) #debian-ops (15h 24m 44s). Has said a total of 10403 messages. Is idling for 3h 34s |
| 13:33.08 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson2: just now |
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| 13:33.13 | SimonRaven | `dpkg' ... version 1.13.11 (powerpc). # might be why ;) |
| 13:33.30 | ricky_clarkson2 | RichiH, I have ricky_clarkson2 and ricky_clarkson online, both registered. How can I see the IP address of ricky_clarkson? |
| 13:33.32 | wrfsf | Arafangion drive size. |
| 13:33.52 | ricky_clarkson2 | RichiH, it's on a machine of which I think the IP address has recently changed (so I can't remotely connect to it). |
| 13:33.54 | Arafangion | wrfsf: Drive or partition size? Why do you care about _Drive_ size? |
| 13:34.08 | SimonRaven | ricky_clarkson2: tried /whois? |
| 13:34.16 | wrfsf | The size of the whole drive, regardless of what partitions are on it |
| 13:34.17 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson2: hmm, tough one, i will have to try some magic |
| 13:34.21 | Arafangion | wrfsf: Sorry if people are pedantic here in #debian, but it's the nature of the industry. |
| 13:34.25 | RichiH | SimonRaven: cloak |
| 13:34.31 | ricky_clarkson2 | SimonRaven, n=ricky@unaffiliated/rickyclarkson |
| 13:34.35 | SimonRaven | oh :| |
| 13:35.01 | Arafangion | wrfsf: If you want to know the drive size, I assume that you wish to setup partitions... Right? |
| 13:35.02 | ricky_clarkson2 | RichiH, oh, and ricky_clarkson and ricky_clarkson2 are linked nicks, so you shouldn't be contravening the cloak if you tell me my own IP. ;) |
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| 13:35.24 | maxime | (Out of subjet) Anyone know what the E means when it's next "33cl E" of coca-cola ? |
| 13:35.29 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson2: yep |
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| 13:35.41 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson2: i just need to find someone who can poke through your cloak :) |
| 13:35.43 | Arafangion | maxime: "Enlightenment" |
| 13:35.45 | wrfsf | Arafangion I just want to know the size of this hard drive, without taking it out |
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| 13:35.56 | DjKritical | Does anyone know a good php/html editor which allows you to edit files directory on an ftp server? |
| 13:35.58 | SimonRaven | maxime: Ediot |
| 13:36.04 | Randall64 | Is there a usable backport of firefox for sarge? The current offering crashes left and right. |
| 13:36.05 | ricky_clarkson2 | maxime: epproximately |
| 13:36.11 | Arafangion | wrfsf: cfdisk /dev/<hard drive> (as root), or look around in /proc |
| 13:36.13 | Caelum | wrfsf: cfdisk |
| 13:36.20 | SimonRaven | maxime: Equals |
| 13:36.24 | maxime | thx ricky_clarkson2 |
| 13:36.28 | wrfsf | tkx |
| 13:36.44 | ricky_clarkson2 | maxime: it was a joke. |
| 13:36.52 | Arafangion | wrfsf: Hmm, /proc/diskstats should do it, but it's quite... raw. |
| 13:36.57 | maxime | k forget it .... |
| 13:37.05 | Arafangion | wrfsf: But at least you don't need to be root for that. |
| 13:37.05 | maxime | ;) |
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| 13:37.57 | double_c | ricky_clarkson2: maxime: in europe, lower case 'e' does mean somehting like that. EU approved average measurement or something |
| 13:38.24 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson2: what i can do is to turn off the cloak temporarily |
| 13:38.26 | Arafangion | double_c: I'd hate to confuse that with "123e32", for sci notation. |
| 13:38.31 | maxime | double_c, it's a E |
| 13:38.34 | ricky_clarkson2 | RichiH, sounds good. |
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| 13:38.42 | wrfsf | Arafangion /proc/diskstats no such file |
| 13:38.52 | double_c | maxime: no idea then |
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| 13:38.59 | b3nj | hello, what is the file which specifies the smtp server that I use ? |
| 13:39.05 | maxime | double_c, thx anyway :) |
| 13:39.06 | Arafangion | ricky_clarkson: I believe #hyperion has soemthing about that. |
| 13:39.22 | double_c | Arafangion: it is placed as a suffix, so you get a label saying somehting like " 2.0 litres e" |
| 13:39.28 | greycat | b3nj: non sequitur. |
| 13:39.30 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson2: k |
| 13:39.41 | coreyo | can anyone successfully run gok from the testing tree? |
| 13:39.43 | *** part/#debian maxime (n=maxime@LSt-Amand-152-32-31-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 13:39.53 | PerfDave | !anyone |
| 13:39.53 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 13:40.04 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson2: ah, i found out |
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| 13:40.13 | SimonRaven | it's /var/lib/dumbquestion/non_sequitur to be exact |
| 13:40.19 | greycat | gok? isn't that the klingon food that's best served live? |
| 13:40.20 | Arafangion | wrfsf: proc does not contain programs (Although some entries are a symbolic link) |
| 13:40.32 | SimonRaven | gohk |
| 13:40.44 | coreyo | if you like eating onscreen keyboards |
| 13:40.48 | greycat | although I suspect it'd be spelled "gakh" in english |
| 13:41.06 | SimonRaven | *nods* i think that's it |
| 13:41.16 | Caelum | don't people eat live oysters? |
| 13:41.23 | afaict | How can I know what SID mirror is more updated? |
| 13:41.36 | greycat | afaict: trial and error |
| 13:41.40 | SimonRaven | !sid |
| 13:41.40 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 13:42.17 | afaict | greycat, what SID mirror is the best to download ? I mean sync with debian sid |
| 13:42.28 | afaict | nao sei |
| 13:42.28 | sep | afaict, the one closest to you |
| 13:42.29 | jethro | afaict: the one the closer to you |
| 13:42.31 | greycat | http://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 13:42.48 | sep | !mirror |
| 13:42.49 | dpkg | mirror is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list | <reply> see mirrors |
| 13:42.54 | greycat | although "nao sei" points toward a different answer, whatever the fuck it means. |
| 13:42.57 | afaict | sep, all is synced ? |
| 13:43.05 | afaict | greycat, sorry :D |
| 13:43.07 | greycat | afaict: OF COURSE THEY'RE ALL FUCKING SYNCED! |
| 13:43.12 | thingfish | it mean, "I dont' know." |
| 13:43.18 | greycat | (in theory) |
| 13:43.19 | thingfish | *means |
| 13:43.20 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Thanks a lot, that works perfectly (and the ricky_clarkson2 is waiting to timeout). |
| 13:43.21 | sep | afaict, otherways they woudnt be mirrirs now would they |
| 13:43.23 | greycat | thingfish: I suspected it might. |
| 13:43.40 | afaict | greycat, I know that but can be possible to be one day without sync ? |
| 13:43.40 | greycat | "no sé" in spanish. |
| 13:43.41 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: :) |
| 13:43.47 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: In case dyndns doesn't sort me out, is there a way I can see the IP myself? |
| 13:43.54 | jethro | !lart afaict |
| 13:43.55 | ricky_clarkson | In case the same thing happens again. |
| 13:43.58 | afaict | greycat, I mean one mirror is one day late... |
| 13:44.00 | greycat | !jethro++ |
| 13:44.06 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: not at this point, not sure about the future |
| 13:44.09 | greycat | NO. I won't bother. |
| 13:44.11 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 13:44.24 | greycat | there, one less idiot contributing to hypertension. |
| 13:44.27 | SimonRaven | @plonk |
| 13:44.28 | ravenbird | plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or killfile |
| 13:44.28 | jethro | heh |
| 13:44.30 | tralala | afaict: it's impossible - all of them are perfectly synced |
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| 13:44.41 | afaict | tralala, ok. |
| 13:44.44 | afaict | thanks all |
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| 13:45.53 | SimonRaven | time for breakfast |
| 13:46.22 | PerfDave | I still reckon sid's too easy. There should be some package which breaks on dist-upgrade and hoses your system, to seperate the men from the boys. |
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| 13:49.05 | greycat | PerfDave: some fool would call it a bug and fix it. |
| 13:49.10 | lord_rob | My pc speaker makes beeps and in tty1 I see some strange messages : "Message from syslogd@lightning : lightning -- Mark --". What could be wrong here ? |
| 13:49.24 | greycat | probably your syslog.conf |
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| 13:49.34 | bartden | someone here who knows a free sms gateway ? |
| 13:49.41 | streuner | dpkg, mark |
| 13:49.42 | dpkg | hmm... mark is Basically --MARK-- is syslogd telling you it hasn't crashed. Or give Mark a root shell and he'll stop spamming your logs. To disable the --MARK-- messages, edit /etc/init.d/sysklogd and change the SYSLOGD="" line to read SYSLOGD="-m 0" then run /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
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| 13:49.59 | SimonRaven | lord_rob: there's nothing wrong there. it's telling you it's still alive |
| 13:50.16 | greycat | SimonRaven: if it's writing that to tty1, his syslog.conf is hosed. or something died. |
| 13:50.25 | lord_rob | hmmm, is this something new with 2.6.12 ? |
| 13:50.28 | ricky_clarkson | How do I get ddclient to tell dyndns my IP address right now? |
| 13:50.30 | SimonRaven | oh tty1? ick |
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| 13:50.45 | greycat | !factinfo mark |
| 13:50.46 | dpkg | mark -- last modified at Wed Sep 29 13:27:19 2004 by cafuego!~cafuego@macchiato.cc.com.au; it has been requested 16 times, last by streuner, 1m 4s ago. |
| 13:50.57 | greycat | no. --MARK-- is not new. |
| 13:51.08 | SimonRaven | ricky_clarkson: command line option. in the man page |
| 13:51.09 | streuner | dpkg, seen cafuego |
| 13:51.13 | dpkg | cafuego is currently on #debian (7h 43m 52s). Has said a total of 55122 messages. Is idling for 9h 25m 43s |
| 13:51.31 | tralala | ricky_clarkson: ddclient doesn't do that |
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| 13:51.50 | Randall64 | Is anyone else getting frequent crashes from firefox in sarge? |
| 13:52.08 | ricky_clarkson | tralala: a) what does it do? b) what does do that? |
| 13:52.11 | tralala | no |
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| 13:52.53 | SimonRaven | -[no]static |
| 13:52.53 | SimonRaven | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.01 | Deep6 | apt dpkg --set-selections |
| 13:53.04 | ricky_clarkson | SimonRaven: It's a dynamic one. |
| 13:53.07 | SimonRaven | force an update even if the update may be unnecessary (default: noforce). |
| 13:53.14 | SimonRaven | -[no]force |
| 13:53.27 | SimonRaven | hmm, methinks it does do it |
| 13:53.34 | ricky_clarkson | SimonRaven: I can read the manpage, thanks, just wondering what tralala's on about. |
| 13:53.45 | SimonRaven | *shrug* |
| 13:53.51 | asg | ricky_clarkson: he babbles a bit |
| 13:53.55 | SimonRaven | np ricky_clarkson |
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| 13:54.00 | ricky_clarkson | *shrug* also. |
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| 13:54.22 | asg | !group shrug |
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| 13:54.30 | lord_rob | hmmm actually the message is displayed on tty1 every 20 minutes precisely |
| 13:54.34 | SimonRaven | fuck bagle is still running around? .... |
| 13:54.50 | asg | SimonRaven: of course |
| 13:55.00 | SimonRaven | i will be *SO* glad when winbloze is finally dead and buried |
| 13:55.15 | Randall64 | You mean when cheap machines running OS X become available? |
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| 13:55.25 | asg | SimonRaven: then the viruses will just hit unpatched and insecure OS/X and Linux/BSD boxes |
| 13:55.30 | jethro | indeed |
| 13:55.49 | lord_rob | Randall64: mac os x can be installed on any pc :) |
| 13:55.51 | SimonRaven | good point |
| 13:55.52 | jethro | so lets all use the HURD |
| 13:56.05 | asg | I'd rather not |
| 13:56.09 | ricky_clarkson | SimonRaven: It returns immediately, and doesn't seem to do anything. |
| 13:56.12 | jethro | asg: :) |
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| 13:56.24 | SimonRaven | ricky_clarkson: with force on too? |
| 13:56.37 | Deep6 | guys how do I install a dpkg --set-selections list/ |
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| 13:56.39 | SimonRaven | ricky_clarkson: see the site, maybe it updated already |
| 13:56.39 | Blahj | hi |
| 13:56.39 | ricky_clarkson | SimonRaven: Yep. |
| 13:56.41 | Blahj | i need help |
| 13:56.52 | jethro | Deep6: echo list | dpkg --get-selections |
| 13:56.52 | Blahj | dont start postgresql |
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| 13:56.56 | jethro | damn |
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| 13:57.02 | jethro | nevermind what I said Deep6 |
| 13:57.10 | asg | Deep6: dpkg --set-selections <list.file |
| 13:57.14 | Blahj | FATAL: database files are incompatible with server |
| 13:57.18 | Deep6 | jethro, I need to get the newly "set list" installed |
| 13:57.23 | Blahj | DETAIL: The database cluster was initialized with CATALOG_VERSION_NO 200211021, but the server was compiled with CATALOG_VERSION_NO 200310211. |
| 13:57.25 | Deep6 | asg how do I invoke the install afterward? |
| 13:57.30 | asg | Deep6: apt-get install |
| 13:57.38 | Deep6 | asg what do I apt-get ? |
| 13:57.41 | ricky_clarkson | SimonRaven: It didn't. |
| 13:57.41 | Deep6 | anything on the list |
| 13:57.46 | Deep6 | and it pulls in the rest? |
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| 13:57.57 | jethro | Deep6: you usually dpkg --get-selections > list then dpkg --set-selections < list |
| 13:57.58 | asg | Deep6: just type 'apt-get install' |
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| 13:58.11 | ricky_clarkson | SimonRyan: sudo /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ddclient -login rickyclarkson -password SEKRET -ip 146.87.64.138 -host rickyclarkson.mine.nu -debug -verbose -force |
| 13:58.19 | jethro | Deep6: then apt-get install, as asg said |
| 13:58.21 | Deep6 | asg nothing |
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| 13:58.26 | Deep6 | 0,0,0 |
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| 13:58.31 | Deep6 | well 4 0's |
| 13:58.35 | SimonRaven | fucked |
| 13:58.46 | Deep6 | 0 upgraded 0 newly installed 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded |
| 13:58.48 | t3 | debian unstable is really messed up with relation to KDE, does anybody have any suggestions? Please dont tell me I shouldnt have unstable if I cant fix it. I know that... |
| 13:58.58 | asg | t3: don't use sid |
| 13:59.06 | asg | t3: or check #debian-kde |
| 13:59.09 | SimonRaven | Deep6: i run dselect/aptitude after i do that |
| 13:59.12 | tralala | t3: I suggest you switch to testing |
| 13:59.18 | ricky_clarkson | SimonRaven: Any more to add? |
| 13:59.24 | t3 | I think I will have to do that... |
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| 13:59.47 | SimonRaven | ricky_clarkson: "fucked" strange that it hasn't... update manually? *ducks* |
| 13:59.48 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
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| 14:00.16 | ricky_clarkson | SimonRaven: Updating manually is fine, but there will be times (after cron runs pump) that I want to update automatically. |
| 14:00.36 | SimonRaven | sure. as it should. normally it does work well |
| 14:00.37 | PerfDave | t3: Did you check the BTS? |
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| 14:00.51 | t3 | tralala: does testing have xorg? |
| 14:00.58 | streuner | nah |
| 14:00.58 | ricky_clarkson | SimonRaven: Maybe it's dumping errors somewhere other than stdout/stderr. |
| 14:01.02 | streuner | oh |
| 14:01.05 | streuner | sorry |
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| 14:01.07 | SimonRaven | though ddclient here hasn't had to make a change in like 2 years =) |
| 14:01.19 | streuner | !info xserver-xorg etch |
| 14:01.21 | PerfDave | t3: Check packages.debian.org and answer that question for yourself. |
| 14:01.31 | cadu | hello! i'm trying to use Psi (jabber client) of debian's apt repository but it doesn't has SSL/TLS ...anything more i have to install together with the 'psi' package ? |
| 14:01.34 | t3 | PerfDave: No, too many packages broken for that... |
| 14:01.35 | xnet | why does my 'local time zone' keep going back to uct? |
| 14:02.10 | tralala | t3: not yet (perhaps for a reason) |
| 14:02.16 | SimonRaven | because that's normal time. set TZ in ~/.bashrc, silly |
| 14:02.22 | streuner | <dpkg> Package 'xserver-xorg' does not exist. |
| 14:02.33 | greycat | or use the tzconfig program |
| 14:02.39 | ricky_clarkson | SimonRaven: Is it supposed to be run from /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ddclient? |
| 14:02.44 | xnet | dig it. |
| 14:02.45 | SimonRaven | but that's cheating ;p |
| 14:02.47 | asg | cadu: apt-cache search psi ssl |
| 14:02.47 | ricky_clarkson | SimonRaven: Even -help and --help do nothing. |
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| 14:03.29 | SimonRaven | /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ddclient |
| 14:03.30 | cadu | asg: qca-tls solved :) |
| 14:03.44 | PerfDave | t3: In other words, you're lazy. |
| 14:03.49 | SimonRaven | it's in the dpkg -L listing, so yes |
| 14:03.54 | jethro | !btssmite t3 |
| 14:04.25 | asg | you are number 6 </quote> |
| 14:04.33 | rutski89 | Do I need to install a special driver to hook up my Canon S2 IS to debian? |
| 14:04.39 | jethro | hah |
| 14:04.44 | t3 | PerfDave: Lazy? 40 broken packages with about 10 libraries that are all broken |
| 14:04.58 | PerfDave | t3: Welcome to sid ;) |
| 14:05.23 | SimonRaven | start hitting '=' ;) |
| 14:05.25 | PerfDave | t3: You have two options - fix it, or don't run sid. If you want to fix it, checking the BTS is more productive than whining on IRC :) |
| 14:05.31 | streuner | t3: you know 'Sid'? ... ;-) |
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| 14:05.45 | jethro | t3: if you use sid, one expects you to read the bts, and fix most of the problems by yourself. saying that you won't bother reading the BTS won't help much preventing people flaming you |
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| 14:05.56 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 14:05.56 | SimonRaven | "Sid, meet t3, t3, meet Sid" |
| 14:05.56 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 14:06.14 | ricky_clarkson | But I hear that was written by a Solaris user. |
| 14:06.23 | asg | ricky_clarkson: HP-UX |
| 14:06.27 | ricky_clarkson | Oh yeah. |
| 14:06.35 | ricky_clarkson | Something that hasn't got a Tux anyway. |
| 14:06.53 | jethro | tux is a piece of rotten meat |
| 14:06.53 | asg | ricky_clarkson: and a Puffy. abrotman is the Solaris-head. |
| 14:07.02 | ricky_clarkson | Puffy? |
| 14:07.07 | yang | I formated with cfdisk partition do linux, but when I try to mount it , I get error - FAT: bogus logical sector size 1814, VFS: cant find a valid FAT filesystem on dev 08:21 |
| 14:07.08 | asg | ricky_clarkson: openbsd.org |
| 14:07.11 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman is a something else-head. |
| 14:07.12 | jethro | puffy the blowfish |
| 14:07.23 | ricky_clarkson | !do the abrotman |
| 14:07.28 | greycat | that's Puff to you. |
| 14:07.30 | SimonRaven | abrotman solaris-head? heh |
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| 14:08.08 | yang | How do I specify which ext2 or ext3, after i make the partition? |
| 14:08.10 | jahi | Hi, does someone use 'album' (for generating HMTL-albums of photos)? |
| 14:08.15 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 14:08.16 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:08.28 | jahi | sry |
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| 14:08.59 | streuner | jahi: just ask, don't ask to ask |
| 14:09.21 | skate | yang. i use mkfs.ext3 |
| 14:09.33 | tralala | jahi: I use igal |
| 14:09.52 | jahi | I just installed it but i cant use the -theme option, because the themedir is not found |
| 14:09.52 | yrz | i heard not even the guy that coded it is using it. |
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| 14:10.28 | jahi | yrz the album-guy? |
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| 14:10.37 | Deep6 | apt-get dselect-upgrade is how you do it guys |
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| 14:11.01 | SimonRaven | sure. i think i mentioned a similar tactic... |
| 14:11.17 | streuner | !info gallery |
| 14:11.21 | dpkg | gallery: (a web-based photo album written in php), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6416 kB, Installed size: 22212 kB |
| 14:11.23 | yrz | jahi: yep, but i was joking. |
| 14:11.37 | rm-r | I have alsa and two sound cards, and sound stopped working (probably for my fault), how can i reconfigure sound? |
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| 14:11.42 | jahi | tralala does igal support themes? (and are these good looking?) |
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| 14:11.52 | yrz | 16:08 < dpkg> gallery: (a web-based photo album written in php), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6416 kB, Installed size: 22212 kB |
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| 14:11.57 | lord_rob | rm-r: alsaconf |
| 14:12.02 | rm-r | thnx |
| 14:12.03 | yrz | 22M for a webgallery??? |
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| 14:12.05 | PerfDave | There are no good web galleries, write your own ;) |
| 14:12.20 | jahi | :) so i got igal, gallery, album,... which to choose? |
| 14:12.24 | yaarg | pfft |
| 14:12.26 | yaarg | use curator |
| 14:12.29 | yaarg | generates static html |
| 14:12.34 | yrz | jahi: look on freashmeat ;) |
| 14:12.38 | jahi | lool |
| 14:12.40 | yaarg | run it when you add new pictures |
| 14:12.46 | jahi | i'll write my own |
| 14:12.55 | tralala | jahi: I don't know. I use it like that: igal |
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| 14:13.32 | rAz_ | hi , i'd like to know if someone has ever use cacti and create ucd/net snmp host and graphs without much problem, coz i dontr manage to obtain results with it. thx before |
| 14:13.41 | gniretar | hey, whats a command to gzip all times in a directory that start with 'fax' into one big archive? |
| 14:13.47 | SimonRaven | cacti is a PITA |
| 14:13.57 | greycat | gniretar: man tar |
| 14:14.00 | SimonRaven | mrtg+rrdtool |
| 14:14.23 | eye69 | rAz_: Sure |
| 14:15.11 | yang | skate: HEY thanks, it worked! |
| 14:15.19 | rAz_ | is any host not a ucd/net snmp host ? |
| 14:15.47 | s_i_m | a question: is there a way to create a pinning rule for a selection of packages in apt_preferences? It seems that I can do it only for "*" or a given package, but I would like to set a rule for all packages in "base" for ex. |
| 14:15.59 | eye69 | rAz_: No. It's a host that uses ucd-snmp or net-snmp |
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| 14:16.14 | Deep6 | how do you purge the list of selected packages if you don't want to install the ones "set" for installation? |
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| 14:16.18 | eye69 | rAz_: For instance a Unix box with either of those. |
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| 14:16.45 | rAz_ | ok .. i'll test it on my own server brb |
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| 14:22.49 | SimonRaven | heh, "Ex-Chat" |
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| 14:23.48 | asg | SimonRaven: irc.divorced.org |
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| 14:24.19 | SimonRaven | hehe |
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| 14:25.45 | sarge12 | hi, could anyone explain why the samba password file stored in /var, but /etc? |
| 14:25.52 | rAz_ | well, i just come back from a mib browser on my debian linux server where cacti rules, it is a 2.4.18 kernel version patched with i2c and lmsensor, net-snmp is set and the mib table doesnt show me all the items i suppose found here. |
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| 14:27.03 | awormus | are there any scripts available which create the config/direcotry structure for virtual hosts in apache2 or do you need to manually do it an dthen pull it over with a2ensite |
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| 14:27.51 | asg | awormus: you could write one. Usually, using the default site as a template is all you need to get started. |
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| 14:28.12 | antgel | what is the practical purpose of debian ports to other kernels e.g. debian/netbsd? why not just install netbsd? surely 99% of the same applications are available? it just seems like one big wank to me. |
| 14:28.21 | awormus | asg: thanks, I'm new to debian, so don't want to reinvent any wheels :) |
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| 14:29.20 | asg | antgel: the Debian system layout is well thought out and easy to work with (not that the BSDs aren't of course.) |
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| 14:29.40 | antgel | asg: what do you mean by "system layout"? |
| 14:29.41 | greycat | antgel: the theoretical win is not having to use the Linux kernel. |
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| 14:29.57 | drusscol | I'm trying to burn a DVD+R on an Optorite DVD burner in a USB enclosure. When using growisofs, I get an error: Failed to change write speed: 0->11080. (The second number changes depending on what speed I try, but it always fails.) I just found that setting the "ignore speed" option in k3b works, but is slow as molasses. Anyone got any ideas for workarounds? |
| 14:29.59 | Mahdi | hi, how do i configure x.org for true transparency and drop shadows? |
| 14:30.12 | asg | antgel: all docs in /usr/share/doc/package, system support files, etc, are in known places. |
| 14:30.15 | jarjar26 | What happening with mysql-server in sid ? |
| 14:30.16 | greycat | ask #xorg |
| 14:30.21 | rAz_ | :) |
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| 14:30.43 | rAz_ | they will respond : read docs |
| 14:30.45 | skate | Mahdi. you need two tools, transset and xcompmgr |
| 14:30.58 | antgel | asg, greycat: seems like an _awful_ lot of effort for not much benefit. |
| 14:31.00 | rAz_ | and 256 ram free |
| 14:31.03 | skate | you also need to add some sections to your xorg.conf file |
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| 14:31.15 | Mahdi | skate, r they on sid yet? |
| 14:31.20 | greycat | antgel: probably. |
| 14:31.34 | skate | no, but you can find sources for them and add them to sources.list, then update it |
| 14:31.37 | antgel | greycat: that win can also be achieved by not using the linux kernel by installing *bsd or whatever |
| 14:31.57 | masoft | I want make a package, and now want to save all the md5sums of CONTENT folder ! how can I do it ? I must use md5sums but couldn't find any parameter to check all files of a folder :( |
| 14:31.58 | greycat | antgel: *nod* |
| 14:32.20 | greycat | masoft: um. |
| 14:32.23 | greycat | is this a trick question? |
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| 14:32.53 | PerfDave | antgel: The point is to allow the Debian userspace tools like apt on non-Linux kernels, making it easier to maintain heterogenous systems. |
| 14:33.02 | masoft | greycat, trick ?! I just want to write all the md5sums of files in folder to a file ! |
| 14:33.12 | antgel | it would be nice if those involved redirected their efforts to security support, e.g. mozilla :P |
| 14:33.17 | resiak | masoft: md5sum * > md5sums |
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| 14:33.19 | greycat | masoft: you can't figure out how to use a WILD CARD? |
| 14:33.26 | greycat | and you think you are making a PACKAGE? |
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| 14:34.19 | PerfDave | antgel: Yes, because obviously people involved in non-Linux ports of Debian are both interested and skilled in security infrastructure matters. |
| 14:34.32 | masoft | resiak, it doesn't work for files in other folders ! |
| 14:34.38 | resiak | masoft: :O |
| 14:34.42 | resiak | masoft: man find |
| 14:34.45 | asg | masoft: then use find + xargs |
| 14:35.11 | tarzeau | is there an easier way to do what i want than this: |
| 14:35.12 | tarzeau | update-alternatives --list x-www-browser | nl | grep firefox | awk '{print $1}' | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 14:35.16 | antgel | PerfDave: they could learn how to fish etc. so it's not possible to download and build the apt source on a bsd box? |
| 14:35.25 | tarzeau | or this: update-alternatives --list x-terminal-emulator | nl | grep /uxterm | awk '{print $1}' | update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator |
| 14:35.36 | masoft | oops, yes, it's what I want :P thx resiak, asg ! greycat never helped me in this channel !!! |
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| 14:35.51 | PerfDave | antgel: apt is Free Software, you can download and build it on just about anything. |
| 14:35.53 | resiak | masoft: You need to learn to use the console before you make a package. |
| 14:36.18 | masoft | resiak, I know, but not all of them ! |
| 14:36.33 | resiak | masoft: I'm aware of that, but using find and xargs is pretty rudimentary. |
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| 14:38.06 | masoft | resiak, I think it's important that I can do what I want :P |
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| 14:38.54 | torc | is it fine to renice a running process? |
| 14:39.01 | resiak | masoft: Right. Go and read a howto on this stuff. |
| 14:39.04 | PerfDave | torc: That's what renice is for :) |
| 14:39.21 | torc | PerfDave: and what about using `top` for that? :) |
| 14:39.59 | PerfDave | torc: I didn't think you could use top to renice processes. |
| 14:40.28 | greycat | masoft: if I never helped you, it's because you never asked a question capable of getting an answer, unless you did it while I was away. |
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| 14:40.44 | greycat | but seriously... come *on*... md5sum foo/* |
| 14:40.51 | greycat | how fucking hard is that? |
| 14:41.31 | RichiH | greycat: you need to find both / and * ;) |
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| 14:41.45 | Deep6 | hey greycat how's the god of all things debian this morning? |
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| 14:41.52 | greycat | Deep6: Branden? I dunno. |
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| 14:42.02 | greycat | haven't spoken to him laely |
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| 14:42.33 | Deep6 | hhahah I wasn't speaking of him...you my friend....Overfiend is not a friend of mine |
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| 14:43.27 | Deep6 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:44.16 | asg | cat herding |
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| 14:44.37 | greycat | At Group L, Stoffel oversees six first-rate programmers, a managerial |
| 14:44.38 | greycat | challenge roughly comparable to herding cats. |
| 14:44.38 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.55 | greycat | now imagine hundreds of them. |
| 14:45.00 | asg | right |
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| 14:45.07 | row | erk |
| 14:45.12 | manbox | can i hear a "Debian Rules!" ??? |
| 14:45.17 | greycat | debian/rules! |
| 14:45.18 | asg | !debian/rules |
| 14:45.18 | dpkg | methinks debian/rules is the makefile that's used by dpkg-buildpackage when building a .deb from source. Edit debian/rules before you run "fakeroot debian/rules binary" (or "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot") to create a custom .deb package. For more info, ask me about "source". |
| 14:45.19 | asg | bah |
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| 14:45.53 | Feyr-Wrk | you'd think a greycat would have the most clues about how to herd cats :P |
| 14:46.04 | Ungy | one woudl think so |
| 14:46.18 | row | I was wondering how would I go about restoring files found in lost+found it was after some messy partion altering and restoring and moving to and from ext2-3, I googled for ages but could not find out anything on howto restore them on ext3 system, was in here before but missed the reply I think :/ |
| 14:46.23 | asg | greycat: are doctors easier to herd than cats? |
| 14:46.28 | greycat | either that, or they greycat would be smart enough not to try |
| 14:46.37 | tracysun | i downed Metromerks Platform Creation Suite and wanted to install it to my pc,but the packages include .rpm packages, i can't install it ,how to do |
| 14:46.44 | tracysun | how can i install it on debian |
| 14:46.48 | greycat | asg: I don't have to herd the doctors. I just have to fend them off one at a time. |
| 14:46.53 | asg | greycat: ah |
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| 14:47.13 | asg | tracysun: you can try alien but be careful (and you get no guarantees) |
| 14:47.21 | asg | tracysun: also, /msg dpkg redhat crap may help |
| 14:47.29 | romulo | hi, my script is already in /etc/init.d/ and it does have a symlink on /etc/rcS.d/ but it doesnt start on the boot time, i need to do something other than the script?? |
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| 14:47.45 | greycat | romulo: does the symlink begin with a capital S? |
| 14:47.53 | romulo | greycat, no |
| 14:47.57 | greycat | romulo: chmod +x? #!/bin/sh on the first line? |
| 14:48.00 | asg | romulo: there you go then |
| 14:48.32 | romulo | greycat, thanks =) |
| 14:48.33 | manbox | greycat, asg!!! great debian rules!!! |
| 14:48.36 | romulo | chmod is already |
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| 14:49.44 | OneSeventeen | anyone have experience setting up vsftpd? |
| 14:49.49 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 14:49.49 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:50.10 | skate | haha |
| 14:50.17 | asg | OneSeventeen: there are plenty of examples in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd |
| 14:50.20 | OneSeventeen | I am trying to set up vsftpd and cannot log in via sftp, but ftp works now that it is installed. |
| 14:50.22 | skate | i had to read that twice =x |
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| 14:50.38 | greycat | vsftpd is not an sftp server. it is an ftp server. |
| 14:50.41 | asg | OneSeventeen: vsftpd has nothing to do with sftp |
| 14:50.47 | fatal_ | OneSeventeen: sftp isn't using the ftp protocol... you probably want ftp-ssl. |
| 14:50.56 | morbius`wk | is there a 'quick' way to remove kde/gnome/x11 and all graphical apps? trying to switch box fromd desktop to 'server' |
| 14:50.58 | greycat | sftp has NOTHING in common with ftp except some letters in its name and pieces of the user interface. |
| 14:51.03 | greycat | !remove x |
| 14:51.04 | dpkg | it has been said that remove xf4 is apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common (or ask me about "install xf4") |
| 14:51.25 | asg | morbius`wk: then use deborphan to remove unused libs that are left behind. |
| 14:51.26 | morbius`wk | ty greycat |
| 14:51.31 | greycat | hmm, that may not work in sid any more |
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| 14:51.42 | row | anyone know where I can find docs on restoring files from lost+found on a ext3 filesystem? found random no helpful stuff from google which is odd :/ |
| 14:51.50 | OneSeventeen | okay, that's what I needed to know. Thanks. |
| 14:52.04 | asg | row: you look at the files in lost+found and, once you recognize them, copy them back to their rightful place. |
| 14:52.14 | row | they are all odd names tho |
| 14:52.22 | row | like #47504543 |
| 14:52.23 | asg | row: yes, that's why you look at their contents |
| 14:52.24 | nkuttler | row: man file |
| 14:52.34 | row | k |
| 14:52.44 | row | they where parts of multi rars tho |
| 14:52.50 | greycat | dpkg, no, remove x is <reply> In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 14:52.51 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 14:52.53 | row | this could be rather long process. :/ |
| 14:53.00 | asg | row: yes, that's why we make backups |
| 14:53.16 | row | asg: this was data too cheap to backup if you get me |
| 14:53.23 | asg | !qotd126 |
| 14:53.23 | dpkg | hmm... qotd126 is <helios> sorry for my english: I was rushing on my prompt (silly me!) and just stopped in time an "rm -rf /etc"...but I deleted all /etc/init* files and dirs <asg> helios: restore from backups. <helios> asg, backups? |
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| 14:53.25 | row | was not worth it but I would like to restore it if I can |
| 14:53.29 | micka_ | firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: osso_g_scanner_cache_open have idea ? |
| 14:53.49 | skate | haha |
| 14:53.54 | skate | no way that is real |
| 14:53.57 | greycat | row: it's already restored. you just need to move them to the right names. |
| 14:54.02 | asg | row: then grab a six-pack and start putting the pieces together manually. |
| 14:54.03 | nkuttler | micka_: did you install debian? |
| 14:54.12 | row | i see |
| 14:54.21 | row | this is going to be fun fun fun! |
| 14:54.27 | micka_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.32 | micka_ | 18:54 < nkuttler debian sid |
| 14:54.33 | asg | that's the reason we have beer on hand also |
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| 14:54.49 | nkuttler | micka_: hm, i don't believe you. you weren't a few hours ago |
| 14:55.33 | asg | skate: the quote was real, I promise |
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| 14:55.44 | skate | that's golden |
| 14:56.04 | streuner | nkuttler: he asked the same question serveral hours ago... |
| 14:56.05 | micka_ | < nkuttler debian maintener is not easy ? |
| 14:56.19 | greycat | micka_: why do you keep attempting to redirect stdin from nkuttler? |
| 14:56.21 | asg | skate: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc-qotd.fortune (for the full list in easy to compile fortune(6) format) |
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| 14:56.39 | micka_ | the problem is where package for find variable from sdk maemo osso_g_scanner_cache_open |
| 14:56.42 | skate | sweet |
| 14:56.52 | streuner | !maemo |
| 14:56.52 | dpkg | Maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices. http://maemo.org/ |
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| 14:57.17 | micka_ | reycat> sorry |
| 14:57.58 | Ungy | is there like a color pallet application out there I don't want to spawn gimp just for colors |
| 14:58.09 | streuner | nkuttler: he wasn't able to run the same lib about 2 hours ago... |
| 14:58.09 | row | ooo they are music files mainly it seems and they play! |
| 14:58.10 | row | :) |
| 14:58.30 | asg | row: if they are crappy ones, it might be better just to delete them |
| 14:58.33 | row | cheers guys did not know it was as simple as working out where it belongs and runing mv |
| 14:58.38 | row | asg :D |
| 14:58.50 | mrbigcz | while using apt-install some_package, I got a waring message: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
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| 14:58.52 | row | this is Bob Dylan it anit crap :P |
| 14:59.03 | asg | row: ah, I agree, keep Bob |
| 14:59.16 | asg | mrbigcz: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 14:59.31 | greycat | !start a music war |
| 14:59.31 | dpkg | A Perfect Circle 0wnz! |
| 14:59.38 | resiak | Yay! |
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| 15:00.14 | PerfDave | A Perfect Circle are toss! :) |
| 15:00.22 | row | hmm some R.E.M as well :) |
| 15:00.31 | asg | then again, I like the new celtic running-in-the-woods-with-the-blond-chick-who's-name-escapes-me Richie Blackmoor stuff so who am I to say. |
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| 15:00.58 | petemc | bloc party are the best new band ive heard in a long time |
| 15:01.02 | asg | s/or/re/ |
| 15:02.18 | SerajewelKS | effective* |
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| 15:02.35 | resiak | PerfDave: I _have_ Rico album! |
| 15:02.42 | linforcer | hey you guys where does debian put it's shared libraries? |
| 15:02.49 | SerajewelKS | linforcer, /usr/lib |
| 15:02.59 | linforcer | SerajewelKS: thanks |
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| 15:03.03 | SerajewelKS | linforcer, probably /lib too |
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| 15:03.56 | linforcer | thanks (gentoo user really.. just using a deb package for something :P) |
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| 15:04.20 | dbrock | I'm trying to compile a module for the linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 kernel; do I install linux-source-2.6.12 and do make-kpkg --append-to-version -1-686 modules-image? |
| 15:04.20 | PerfDave | resiak: Both of them? And all the singles? Even the limited edition ones? ;) |
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| 15:04.34 | resiak | PerfDave: No. Hence album singular. |
| 15:05.05 | boguh | when i read a mapage some words are underlined. how can i follow these links? |
| 15:05.25 | asg | boguh: that's just for emphasis, they aren't links per se. |
| 15:05.33 | TraceGreen | Hello, can anybody get captive? apt-cache search captive? i cann't get it. |
| 15:05.39 | PerfDave | resiak: You suck! :) |
| 15:05.43 | boguh | asg and where can i look these things up? |
| 15:05.47 | resiak | PerfDave: :( |
| 15:05.47 | dbrock | because that's giving me trouble; for example, it says Debian's kernel patch cannot be applied to the kernel, because it does not exist for 2.6.12-1-686 (it does exist for 2.6.12) |
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| 15:06.07 | asg | boguh: open another terminal, 'apropos <term>' to find a manpage that is relevant to that <term> |
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| 15:06.41 | boguh | asg could it be a reference in the mapage itself too? |
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| 15:06.50 | asg | boguh: if you mean find something underlined in the *same* manpage, type '/term' and hit enter |
| 15:07.00 | boguh | ok thx |
| 15:07.09 | asg | boguh: man pager (for other keys you can use) |
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| 15:07.58 | Virtual | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:07.58 | Virtual | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.59 | Virtual | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 15:08.00 | skate | <Azar> jm, I do not have irc, how could I get in another way? |
| 15:08.08 | skate | this page is better than bash.org |
| 15:08.13 | PerfDave | Virtual: You're running sid, aren't you? :) |
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| 15:08.19 | Virtual | but if I use apt-get -f install I get another error tha udev requires kernel >= 2.6.12 |
| 15:08.25 | Virtual | PerfDave: yes |
| 15:08.26 | asg | skate: we've had some winners over the years, that's for sure. |
| 15:08.33 | PerfDave | Virtual: Did you check the BTS? :) |
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| 15:08.40 | loren | anyone here just jabber? |
| 15:08.43 | Virtual | PerfDave: no |
| 15:08.50 | PerfDave | !btssmite Virtual |
| 15:08.52 | loren | (I'm trying to test out Gmail's new Gmail Talk) |
| 15:09.10 | petemc | loren: gaim works fine |
| 15:09.12 | PerfDave | loren: For a few years, but Google Talk won't talk to non-Google Talk Jabber users, apparently. They've gone and borken Jabber. |
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| 15:09.25 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 15:09.31 | loren | PerfDave: really, that sounds a bit strange hmmh |
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| 15:10.06 | loren | petemc: gaim is fine yes, but to me it seems to crash and have too many bugs (for me that is) |
| 15:10.50 | asg | skate: http://bash.org/?241729 (another good one that never made it to our qotd since we didn't have it at the time.) |
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| 15:11.45 | Virtual | PerfDave: so I will find the error in BTS ? |
| 15:11.50 | morbius`wk | asg: w/deborphan how would i remove the results? |
| 15:12.00 | asg | morbius`wk: deborphan | xargs dpkg -P |
| 15:12.05 | morbius`wk | thanks |
| 15:12.26 | skate | <concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password |
| 15:12.29 | beardy | When doing a dist-upgrade from woody to sarge, does aptitude handle things much better than apt-get? Since that is what suggested in the woody->sarge factoid? |
| 15:12.38 | skate | no fucking way he came in here and gave that out for real |
| 15:12.53 | PerfDave | Virtual: If you're running Sid, your *first* point of call when you have a problem should be the BTS. |
| 15:12.55 | asg | skate: did, we are suspect that it wasn't made up though. Then again ... |
| 15:13.13 | petemc | why would you need a rootkit |
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| 15:13.58 | skate | ugh i can't start looking at bash.org now |
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| 15:14.06 | skate | boss is going to get fried |
| 15:14.09 | RichiH | perhaps he does not use md5 passwords.. how long could the old passwords be? |
| 15:14.20 | asg | RichiH: 8 characters iirc |
| 15:14.29 | RichiH | asg: that was my guess, too |
| 15:14.41 | RichiH | so concac11 should work, but not concac |
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| 15:14.49 | asg | RichiH: or rather, the password could be very long but only the first 8 characters would be considered. |
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| 15:15.18 | RichiH | asg: that's what i meant, yes :) |
| 15:15.22 | asg | :) |
| 15:16.00 | RichiH | asg: how's you? |
| 15:16.00 | asg | RichiH: pretty good, you? |
| 15:16.01 | RichiH | quite good i think y |
| 15:16.01 | RichiH | es |
| 15:16.01 | jahi | igal is cool :D thx |
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| 15:16.04 | asg | jahi: igal? Is it self-inflating? |
| 15:16.26 | pmg | hello, i am using the synaptic package manager to install wine (or any progs). Once it downloads and installs, i dont seem to be able to use it, there is no shortcuts added. Do i have to add them myself? How? |
| 15:16.27 | jahi | ? it generates html-fotoalbums |
| 15:16.40 | jahi | asg i apt-get ist |
| 15:16.43 | takatumi | foot massage? |
| 15:16.47 | jahi | asg i apt-get it |
| 15:16.48 | asg | jahi: oh, thought Jobs had finally started marketing a blow-up fuck doll. Nevermind. |
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| 15:17.15 | skate | <www> when i apt-get upgrade, my system wants to update a lot of packages <www> how to avoid that ? |
| 15:17.15 | skate | bwah |
| 15:18.02 | me_here | pmg: the shortcuts wil get loaded once you run a setup.exe through wine, after you setup wine through winetools or winesetup-tk |
| 15:18.05 | asg | jahi: a purile attempt to bring levity to the channel. |
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| 15:18.20 | pmg | ok... were do i get to those |
| 15:18.57 | me_here | pmg: winesetup-tk you should already have if you installed wine through synaptic |
| 15:19.03 | jahi | :D anyway, I finally got my htmlalbum |
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| 15:19.58 | me_here | pmg: if you have console-completion type the first letters and press <tab> to see if you already have somethin like winesetup-tk |
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| 15:20.14 | skate | <cOLDrIPPA> ok, i had logged into Debian correct and typed the user and pass now it is in like dos mode for windows anyone help |
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| 15:21.47 | skate | <punchik> i dont want people to know that i use to look for shemales |
| 15:21.48 | skate | wtf! |
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| 15:22.10 | pmg | the problem is i cant download the winetools, 404. But ill check there site. (i dont think i have that, it would be under system tools i guess) |
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| 15:22.51 | nkuttler | ah, yes, putting the apt cache on the same drive as the apt-proxy cache was a good idea |
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| 15:23.35 | tech9iner | egon_spengler good morning sarge ;];].. thanks again for your help other nite guv.. ;] Ciao 4 now ;] |
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| 15:23.50 | skate | jesus |
| 15:23.52 | skate | <bobesponja> I'm running sid, not debian |
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| 15:24.15 | skate | there really should be a mandatory i.q. test given before you can download any debian isos |
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| 15:24.47 | double_c | skate: there used to be, then they updated the installer ;-) |
| 15:24.55 | jahi | skate but is this a guarantie? |
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| 15:25.34 | pmg | what is console-completion? |
| 15:26.20 | beardy | Will things break if I would use 'apt-get dist-upgrade' instead of 'aptitude dist-upgrade' when upgrading from woody to sarge? If so, what doesn't apt-get do, that aptitude does? Is aptitude preferred in this case because it will purge the depending packages of the ones that will be replaced by newer ones? |
| 15:26.20 | lord_rob | the best is <concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password :):):):) |
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| 15:26.47 | PerfDave | beardy: If you want to upgrade from Woody to Sarge, *read* the Sarge release notes and *follow* the instructions or you run the risk of hosing your system. |
| 15:27.17 | skate | <jarjar26> how can i start gnome automatically when gnome start ? |
| 15:27.19 | skate | wtf!!!!!! |
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| 15:27.44 | skate | how do these even get debian installed in the first place? |
| 15:27.58 | skate | they must be buying machines with debian already installed |
| 15:27.59 | skate | =x |
| 15:28.05 | pmg | when i type wine in my terminal, it sets it up, but "extension XFree86-DRI missing on display 0:0 |
| 15:28.07 | PerfDave | skate: Personally, I like my plan - include the text of the Installation Manual on the installer CD, at install time say "what's the third word of the fourth paragraph of section 12.2 of the Installation Manual" or something at random. There'll be an option to skip it, but only documented in the Installation Manual :) |
| 15:28.10 | double_c | skate: they probably don't, they get bonus points for coming in here when they run a different OS |
| 15:28.15 | pmg | the rest works fine |
| 15:28.17 | cahoot | skate: sense of suÃĨeriority afflicting you? |
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| 15:29.13 | skate | not at all, i am just amazed that some of these people could actually get debian installed, judging by some of these questions that have been asked in here |
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| 15:29.25 | defcon8 | yeah skate |
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| 15:31.36 | rm-r | what is the way of managing kernel modules in Debian? I edited modules.conf and it says it is generated by update-modules, but update-modules man says it is obsolete |
| 15:31.37 | hacim | arg |
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| 15:31.51 | hacim | my usb mouse is listed in lsusb, but X doesn't find it on start |
| 15:31.56 | king | hell |
| 15:32.05 | pmg | Hello, i try to install wine. everything seems to work fine except XFree86-DRI missing on display. I have had problems with Xorg since ive installed linux, yesterday |
| 15:32.07 | king | ä― åĨ―ïž |
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| 15:32.29 | nvz | I wonder if I can use this Microsoft XBoX Broadband Networking Wireless 802.11G Adapter on a pc :) |
| 15:32.44 | king | æäļå―äššåïž |
| 15:32.47 | asg | hacim: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
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| 15:32.56 | lord_rob | That makes me wonder if it would be a good idea to install debian on my grandfather's pc. He is completely clueless about computers. I just thought of installing debian as a safe way for him to access the internet. Is it a good idea ? NOt so sure after having read debian-ircd-qotd.fortune ... |
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| 15:33.23 | king | chinese |
| 15:33.30 | green_earz | rm-r: you could use modconf to manage modules |
| 15:33.40 | rm-r | green_earz, oki thnx |
| 15:33.41 | nvz | lord_rob: in my experiences with people who know nothing about PC's Debian was preferred over windows |
| 15:33.42 | asg | lord_rob: well, if he's clueless, then he probably has not pre-conceived notions that computers == Windows. |
| 15:33.50 | green_earz | np |
| 15:34.01 | asg | lord_rob: the real question is whether you want to support Debian on his box or Windows on his box. |
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| 15:34.09 | king | beijing |
| 15:34.43 | beardy | lord_rob: If you set it up in a way so he can login to X, and have an icon with the name "Web-browser" and another icon called "Shutdown computer", it would work fine wouldn't it? (and tell him to call you if something isn't working) |
| 15:34.45 | lord_rob | asg: in fact he's been a windows user for 3 or 4 years, and everything was (more or less) fine, until he wanted to go to the internet |
| 15:35.12 | asg | lord_rob: ah, well, you can try it and see. Use a live-cd to see if he has issues. |
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| 15:35.45 | rm-r | lord_rob, yes knoppix is gr8 i think |
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| 15:36.10 | LesleyB | lord_rob, I've just installed Debian on my laptop via a netinst iso |
| 15:36.18 | hacim | asg: the usbmouse instructions are slightly wrong, they say "...modprobe hid by hand" that should be "...modprobe usbhid by hand" |
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| 15:36.26 | lord_rob | rm-r: unless you have a connexant winmodem that need proprietary drivers (he has) |
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| 15:36.40 | green_earz | rm-r: bookmark this debian doc its a very handy reference > "Debian Reference " > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 15:36.46 | xico13 | alguna xica |
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| 15:36.57 | LesleyB | if you have all the right info from the isp and a reasonable ethernet modem I don't see why it shouldn't be possible to install debian directly onto his system |
| 15:37.03 | lord_rob | rm-r: my fault ... never thought I could consider installing something else than windows |
| 15:37.04 | LesleyB | don't know about multiboot tho |
| 15:37.18 | asg | hacim: okay, it's fixed. |
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| 15:37.39 | lord_rob | LesleyB: multiboot ? you want to be ablse to use different flavors of debian ? |
| 15:38.03 | LesleyB | a zyxel ethernet routerdoesn't cos much lord_rob about Ģ40 all told from broadbandbuyer.co.uk |
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| 15:38.13 | rm-r | lord_rob, you could buy a new modem... |
| 15:38.16 | nvz | seems like it will work to me.. all I need now is 6VDC 1A Positive Center |
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| 15:38.29 | LesleyB | well I have multiboot on another box but it's multiboot doze and suse and I coudl take the doze off |
| 15:38.31 | rasputnik | LesleyB: don't you need broadband too? |
| 15:38.37 | LesleyB | yep |
| 15:38.39 | rm-r | lord_rob, btw can you use conexxant modem on linux? i would bet not |
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| 15:38.54 | LesleyB | yes rasputnik broadband is necessary for a net install |
| 15:38.56 | lord_rob | rm-r: there are (propriatary) drivers for this modem on linmodems.org |
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| 15:39.33 | LesleyB | ermm the diamond external serial modem is what I ended up going for when I was on dial up lord_rob |
| 15:39.45 | rm-r | green_earz, i know it, not sure about its freshness, nayway |
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| 15:39.59 | LesleyB | tried to get my winmodem with a Lucent chip set working and it wouldn't have it |
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| 15:40.02 | green_earz | ok |
| 15:40.07 | LesleyB | mind you that ws not debian :) |
| 15:40.08 | rm-r | lord_rob, oki didn't know |
| 15:40.09 | lord_rob | rm-r: http://www.linuxant.com/ |
| 15:40.18 | lord_rob | rm-r: I was wrong |
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| 15:41.09 | lord_rob | and this is another source of problem. I'm gonna lend him my zoom external 56k modem (serial) |
| 15:41.13 | mo1991 | can someone tell me how to change the apache default page? I normally just more my files to /var/www/ and web comes up. Not sure if this changed in apache2 or what |
| 15:41.27 | rm-r | green_earz, i need to set some parameters for a moduel, i think that moconf can't do it |
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| 15:41.37 | asg | mo1991: look at /etc/apache2/sites-enabled (the default uses a redirect you need to remove) |
| 15:41.42 | LesleyB | what's the zoom like lord_rob ? |
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| 15:42.13 | green_earz | rm-r: modconf dose let you set parameters for the mod |
| 15:42.18 | |EN3RGY| | buenas |
| 15:42.25 | rm-r | green_earz, oki |
| 15:42.28 | asg | !es |
| 15:42.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:43.13 | mo1991 | asg - sites enable has nothing in it? |
| 15:43.23 | pmg | Hello, i try to install wine. everything seems to work fine except XFree86-DRI missing on display. I have had problems with Xorg since ive installed linux, yesterday |
| 15:43.39 | lord_rob | LesleyB: looks like a standard modem |
| 15:43.45 | SerajewelKS | how can i tell the sarge netinstall disc to install a 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:43.47 | pmg | I have download the DRIs with synaptec... |
| 15:44.07 | stew | SerajewelKS: read the boot screen which tells you to hit f3 for more options |
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| 15:44.10 | asg | mo1991: odd, RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ is what you are looking for (grep /etc/apache/*) |
| 15:44.21 | asg | mo1991: /etc/apache2/* rather |
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| 15:44.29 | SerajewelKS | stew i did... i can't see anything there about 2.6 |
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| 15:44.47 | SerajewelKS | stew, nevermind i'm an idiot |
| 15:44.55 | double_c | pmg: /msg dpkg get xorg , might explain the trouble |
| 15:45.06 | mo1991 | asg - apache2- default is in the /var/www/ directory but even when I delete it that is still the page that comes up |
| 15:45.26 | greycat | !pal apache2 |
| 15:45.27 | mo1991 | asg - isn't this the proper directory where I can just add new pages and there they are? |
| 15:45.35 | mo1991 | !pal apache2 |
| 15:45.53 | asg | mo1991: yes, check the configuration to find out where it is redirecting things to (or if the DocumentRoot has changed) |
| 15:45.59 | nvz | oh well easiest way for me to test this is on my existing connection.. so here goes.. :P |
| 15:46.02 | lord_rob | apt-get remove apache2* && apt-get install apache :) |
| 15:46.07 | greycat | is it still called "DocumentRoot" in apache2? |
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| 15:46.22 | mo1991 | asg - I just install apache2 a minute ago - I haven't changed any config? |
| 15:46.27 | asg | greycat: yes |
| 15:46.50 | asg | mo1991: then if it's a debian one, it will be in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled. |
| 15:46.59 | rm-r | green_earz, sorry i didn't find how can i set parameters with modconf (i have stable installed). |
| 15:47.16 | pmg | double_c: I have an nvidia card. it seems to have problems. what else can i use instead of xorg |
| 15:47.47 | mo1991 | asg - I don't really want to have to mess with the config - I can find my website if i add page.html to the browser |
| 15:47.52 | pmg | double_c: i dont even know where to find the packages to uninstall them (synaptec) |
| 15:48.11 | asg | mo1991: then grep for the RedirectMatch line i mentioned above, comment it out, and restart apache. |
| 15:48.25 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.28 | greycat | "I don't want to understand how it works, I just want it to work" and "I installed apache2" are mutually exclusive. |
| 15:48.35 | mo1991 | asg- what is the default page in /var/www/ that apache keeps loading - the one that says |
| 15:48.40 | greycat | if you just want it to *work*, use apache! |
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| 15:49.12 | rm-r | green_earz, i am reading... :) |
| 15:49.13 | mo1991 | greycat - apache2 has some not so easy changes huh |
| 15:49.13 | asg | mo1991: in every apache2 I've ever installed on sarge, it redirects '/' to /apache2-default/. Fix it or install apache 1.3 |
| 15:49.14 | double_c | pmg: not sure what you can do, I'm still using xfree. Try installing the latest stable, that won't use xorg (which is currently broken with nvidia drivers) |
| 15:49.23 | Belboz99 | Hey all, I've got a major problem |
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| 15:49.31 | mo1991 | asg - ok thanks |
| 15:49.34 | double_c | pmg: what I meant was, reinstall Debian, but choose stable, not sid |
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| 15:49.38 | jethro | !tell Belboz99 -about smart questions |
| 15:49.46 | mo1991 | asg - couldn't I also just put my website in apache2-default |
| 15:49.56 | asg | mo1991: that is crufty |
| 15:50.13 | Belboz99 | I installed debian last night and now Windows can't see two of the partitions that are on the hard drive I installed Debian to |
| 15:50.17 | pmg | double_c: do you mind answering a simple question. whats the difference between xorg, xfree86, kde, gnome ??? im lost and newbi |
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| 15:50.25 | bartden | hi,my kde crashed and when i rebooted and trying to start up kde, it freezes after a while with the error Error setting up inter-process , could not read network connection list , /home/bart/.DCOPSERVER_laptop__0 Please check if dcopserver is running , how can this be fixed ? |
| 15:50.28 | asg | yjgiovdh: don't /msg me (especially in a foreign language.) |
| 15:50.53 | dan2_ | asg: ahoy |
| 15:50.58 | asg | dan2_: hiya |
| 15:51.10 | pmg | double_c:im using agnula, stable im sure. everything i got is stable. i try to get everything in stable |
| 15:51.40 | mo1991 | asg - when I try to edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled with gedit or vi it won't open the file? What do I need to edit this file?? |
| 15:51.51 | dan2_ | asg: on my laptop, I've completely switched to (k)ubuntu |
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| 15:51.52 | double_c | pmg: according to the docs, xorg is in debian unstable only. agnula might be based on debian, but it is different, and we can't help you with it. sorry |
| 15:51.54 | asg | mo1991: it's a directory, not a file. The files are in it. |
| 15:51.57 | Belboz99 | anyone know why my ntfs file systems are reading as SFS in fdisk? |
| 15:52.01 | asg | dan2_: ewwww |
| 15:52.09 | asg | mo1991: default-000 or similar. |
| 15:52.32 | mo1991 | k - now I feel dumb |
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| 15:52.43 | double_c | pmg: if you only recently installed, and you are a newb, I recommend wiping the machine and installing Debian *stable*, it won't break and you can get used to the system |
| 15:53.06 | skate | pmg. if you are running stable, then you aren't running xorg unless you installed it on top of xfree86 along with a newer version of xserver-common |
| 15:53.14 | dan2_ | asg: much better laptop support |
| 15:53.15 | skate | which i doubt you did |
| 15:53.25 | double_c | skate: he is running one of those 'based on debian' distros, I think |
| 15:53.29 | skate | ahh |
| 15:53.33 | skate | enough said |
| 15:53.46 | asg | dan2_: whatever works for you :) |
| 15:53.55 | pmg | double_c: ok. so the step by step would be to get the xfree86 packages... and then what. how do i install it |
| 15:54.11 | Belboz99 | guys, I really need to get my data back, can someone help me? |
| 15:54.24 | mo1991 | asg - got it - found the file and filed like you said - thx |
| 15:54.29 | jahi | !dpkg xv |
| 15:54.29 | dpkg | it has been said that xv is at http://www.trilon.com/xv/index.html or http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=xv%24 - very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails. Also, the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed), ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick |
| 15:54.30 | asg | mo1991: you're welcome |
| 15:54.31 | pmg | double_c: in the terminal... write xfree86 |
| 15:54.34 | pmg | ??? |
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| 15:54.56 | omry|work | I am trying to upgrade my kernel to 2.6 using apt-get. first attempt gave me kernel panic (something about synch problems), can anyone help? |
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| 15:55.17 | pmg | double_c: and to remove xorg, what section is it in the synaptec |
| 15:55.32 | double_c | pmg: you are using a different system, so I can't help you |
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| 15:55.40 | double_c | it is not debian |
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| 15:56.06 | SerajewelKS | my university uses groupwise for everything. i hear that evolution can act as a groupwise client. is this true, and is evolution freely-available for debian? |
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| 15:56.19 | pmg | double_c: well i use the debian site for my other packages. but ill go check somewhere else |
| 15:56.36 | Chass | hey, is there a way to get a listing of all debian packages installed which do not have anything depending on it? |
| 15:56.42 | Chass | i.e., top-level packages? |
| 15:56.48 | greycat | deborphan, debfoster |
| 15:56.51 | double_c | pmg: then you are probably running some horrid hybrid system, and no-one will be able to help with that |
| 15:57.26 | HCTC | Would someone be so kind as to give me some advice. I am downloading cd iso's to install debian for the first time. I can see 14 iso files, I take it these are not all required, can I just get the first cd iso? Someone has mentioned that I will probly beed the first 3. |
| 15:57.43 | pmg | double_c: just curious, why? i mean, its debian based, the main apps are the same. installing xfree is probably the same, no? |
| 15:57.44 | greycat | HCTC: just #1 for now. |
| 15:57.55 | HCTC | thankyou greycat |
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| 15:58.00 | greycat | !tell pmg about based on debian |
| 15:58.11 | cahoot | pmg: you're into music making? |
| 15:58.16 | pmg | yes |
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| 15:58.24 | pmg | studio recordin |
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| 15:58.42 | double_c | pmg: because we don't know exactly what packages are installed, what the dependencies are, we can't look up bugs in the packages and no-one else is running the exact same set of packages |
| 15:59.23 | Gumby | can anyone tell me why I'd be getting the following message when running make-kpkg --revision=gumby kernel_image --initrd .... |
| 15:59.43 | Gumby | I note that you are using the --revision flag with the value gumby.However, the ./debian/changelog file exists, and has a different value 10.00.Custom. |
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| 16:00.01 | Caelum | Gumby: run make-kpkg clean |
| 16:00.07 | lord_rob | Gumby: make-kpkg clean |
| 16:00.15 | asg | Gumby: or edit the changelog to match your new revision number |
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| 16:00.28 | pmg | double_c: thanx. im just kinda lost, ill go check at agnula. but is my software on agnula available also with debian. cause if i make a list of all the beautiful pogs i got for recording. i could just downloads the packages with debian |
| 16:00.48 | Gumby | Caelum: if I run make-kpkg clean are all the modules going to be rebuilt when I rerun it? |
| 16:00.56 | pmg | double_c: could that be possible |
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| 16:01.33 | Caelum | Gumby: they might, I don't know the exact conditions, but they're not perfect |
| 16:01.44 | asg | Chass: deborphan |
| 16:01.48 | double_c | pmg: absolutely. in the same way that you have included debian packages into your system, you can use foreign packages in debian. It might make it hard for people to help with problems, but you'll get more help here if you are running debian itself |
| 16:02.11 | Cope | How do I get a list of packages installed by apt in the past X days? |
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| 16:02.28 | asg | Cope: look for file times in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 16:02.45 | Cope | well not by 'apt' - but you know what I mean - is there a dpkg incantation |
| 16:02.47 | Cope | asg: ok |
| 16:02.52 | greycat | Cope: dpkg in sid logs now. |
| 16:02.57 | Chass | asg thanks |
| 16:03.00 | greycat | in sarge, no, there's just /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 16:03.04 | Cope | ok |
| 16:03.21 | PerfDave | pmg: FWIW, the Demudi part of Agnula *used* to be a seperate package repository for Debian - you installed Debian, added the Demudi repository and assigned it a high priority, and bob was your uncle. But they stupidly decided to split Demudi into a seperate distro and now life is awkward for everybody. |
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| 16:03.58 | PerfDave | pmg, double_c: A lot of the software in Demudi is also available in Debian, but the Demudi versions are better integrated, so you might have more hassle getting things set up with Debian. |
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| 16:04.18 | cahoot | double_c: thatwould probably defeat the purpose he has for his system |
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| 16:04.39 | pmg | yes. stupid. i thought agnula was a bit more... stable? that xorg news is bad |
| 16:04.55 | mo1991 | can someone explain how I can make my own apt-get repository - I have the necessary pacages on my website in a directory but apt looks for a packages.gz file - is there any easy way to create this package list file? |
| 16:05.01 | pmg | cahoot: why. debian is pretty low latency i think? |
| 16:05.05 | PerfDave | mo1991: apt-move |
| 16:05.07 | greycat | mo1991: dpkg-scanpackages, I think |
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| 16:05.35 | mo1991 | PerfDave apt-move and then the directory I want it to creat a package list for? |
| 16:05.49 | PerfDave | mo1991: Read the documentation. |
| 16:05.59 | lord_rob | mo1991: I don't remember where I got the info. New maintainer's guide, possible ? |
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| 16:06.07 | cahoot | pmg: I'm not sure how much og the rt patches are used in demudi kernels |
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| 16:07.12 | pmg | I think ill just wait till i have more experience. setting a debian to act as demudi is just a mountain right know. i use agnula because everything is out of the box, made for recording on the go woohoo |
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| 16:07.43 | pmg | im not up to it yet |
| 16:08.01 | lord_rob | pmg: can't you upgrade your demudi to straight debian ? |
| 16:08.20 | paryl_ | how can i remove all packages related to X? (X as in the window system, not a wildcard) :) |
| 16:08.23 | resiak | lord_rob: Don't suggest that. It does not work. |
| 16:08.25 | resiak | !remove x |
| 16:08.26 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 16:08.39 | paryl_ | awesome, thanks |
| 16:08.48 | greycat | !kill power outages |
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| 16:09.05 | greycat | ping: wrote griffon.local 64 chars, ret=-1 |
| 16:09.05 | greycat | ping: sendto: Host is down |
| 16:09.07 | lord_rob | resiak: hmmm, I must admit I have never tried |
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| 16:09.10 | cahoot | lord_rob: and I doubt 'straight debian' is useable for real sound work |
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| 16:09.28 | greycat | !kill ATX software power buttons |
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| 16:09.33 | lord_rob | cahoot: hence the idea of upgrading from demudi to straight debian |
| 16:09.46 | cahoot | huh |
| 16:09.48 | pmg | lord_rob: uh... hehe. well.... kinda goes like... hmmm. ill like cahoot on this one :))) |
| 16:09.51 | drac | Is there an way to null password, like no password at all, so user can't login anymore (just like e.g. www-data account) with passwd/something else? Hrr, for 50 users. |
| 16:10.18 | greycat | drac: vi /etc/shadow |
| 16:10.22 | asg | drac: usermod -L <user> |
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| 16:10.57 | drac | asg: perfect, thank you. |
| 16:11.05 | greycat | by the way, "null password" usually means "the user types their name and presses enter and they're in", in other words, a password whose length is zero, the very OPPOSITE of www-data. |
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| 16:11.36 | drac | i'm just dealing with possibly compromised box, and i've been reinstalling/resetting about everything.. |
| 16:12.12 | asg | drac: of course, that will not help if you have users who use ssh pki |
| 16:12.30 | drac | asg: pki? |
| 16:12.33 | asg | !pki |
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| 16:12.46 | asg | drac: public keys and wotnot |
| 16:12.53 | drac | asg: ahh okay |
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| 16:13.44 | asg | drac: if that's the case, use the AllowUsers option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config to restrict access to only the ones you want. |
| 16:14.06 | asg | drac: then again, if you suspect a compromise, it should be taken off the network pronto. |
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| 16:14.37 | Randall64 | Anyone using a stable firefox in sarge (and where did you get it)? |
| 16:14.42 | drac | asg: everything is closed (like behind firewall) and i've taken precausions like that long time ago. i'm just preparing it to be opened again. |
| 16:14.44 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 16:14.44 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 16:14.50 | asg | drac: ah, okay |
| 16:14.58 | asg | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 16:15.08 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
| 16:15.12 | asg | Randall64: ^^^^ |
| 16:15.19 | skate | <quadrata> I'll brb, I gotta get some fruitcake. Hope you guys will help me with the aol soon. |
| 16:15.36 | Xenguy | drac: touch /etc/nologin ? |
| 16:15.39 | Randall64 | asg: I'm looking for a third-party package or backport that doesn't crash all the time, but thanks. |
| 16:15.44 | fatal_ | Randall64: if you're running on amd64, try #debian-amd64.... I remember seing discussions about firefox stability in there. |
| 16:15.55 | asg | Randall64: firefox is synonymous with 'crash all the time' |
| 16:16.02 | LesleyB | lol asg |
| 16:16.11 | asg | Randall64: at least when visiting exciting(tm) websites |
| 16:16.17 | LesleyB | what's the 'recommended' browser then? |
| 16:16.39 | greycat | !start a browser war |
| 16:16.40 | dpkg | Opera is more useful than Amaya! |
| 16:16.40 | Randall64 | asg: It's pretty stable on other platforms. |
| 16:16.41 | asg | LesleyB: lynx, unless you have to visit the aformentioned exciting(tm) websites. |
| 16:16.50 | LesleyB | uh huh asg :) |
| 16:16.57 | pmg | double_c: suppositely xfree is outdated. |
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| 16:17.07 | LesleyB | what's exciting about the exciting(tm)websites then? |
| 16:17.10 | asg | Randall64: it's very stable for me; hasn't crashed once in months. If you add plugins and other crap to it, then it might not be as stable. |
| 16:17.12 | greycat | dillo's not bad for some sites |
| 16:17.24 | pmg | double_c: so i was told on #agnula. is kde and gnome the same thing? |
| 16:17.25 | r3v | links2 -g |
| 16:17.36 | skate | pmg. xorg is replacing xfree86, but it still hasn't moved from unstable |
| 16:17.37 | asg | LesleyB: lots of dhtml + flash, lots of crash |
| 16:17.45 | LesleyB | ahhhh |
| 16:17.47 | pmg | double_c: ah! now i get it |
| 16:17.50 | LesleyB | flash |
| 16:17.51 | LesleyB | mmmm |
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| 16:17.55 | double_c | pmg: no, kde and gnome are equivalent to each other, they provide a desktop application environment |
| 16:17.57 | asg | LesleyB: the Smoke Theme is the one I use, since it's nice and light. |
| 16:18.22 | pmg | double_c: so x runs along with either kde or gnome... right? |
| 16:18.37 | LesleyB | where did you get it from asg? I tried downloading and installing them using the firefox browser but it crashed on each theme I downloaded |
| 16:19.04 | asg | LesleyB: from the author's website. Just follow the links from themes.mozilla.org to it (speuler something or other.) |
| 16:19.09 | double_c | pmg: yes, X provides the graphical services to the likes of KDE and Gnome, it makes the graphics actually get drawn on your screen |
| 16:19.51 | asg | LesleyB: http://www.spuler.us/themes/smoke/index.html |
| 16:19.53 | LesleyB | I suspect it's a prob when trying to move theme up to current theme, because the themes are dwnloaded and all that but firefox disappears if I try to load one |
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| 16:20.03 | LesleyB | crashes pretty quick to |
| 16:20.10 | LesleyB | ty asg :) |
| 16:20.23 | asg | LesleyB: you're welcome. |
| 16:20.28 | pmg | double_c: then, to make things alot more easyier. is there another windows emulator that works on debian (because wine is supposetily not very fond of debian, or so it is written on their site) that can use Jack (an audio server) |
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| 16:21.16 | pmg | double_c: can you direct me to a channel that could help me with windows emulators |
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| 16:21.30 | pmg | double_c: or just help me at all : ) |
| 16:21.37 | double_c | pmg: nothing better than wine. if you are doing audio work and need windows apps, I think you will have to run them natively on windows. I expect they need maximum performance and minimum latency, an extra layer won't help with that |
| 16:22.04 | Hanji | Does anyone know what package has man pages for things like strstr and such? Or better yet, is there a general way of finding which package contains a specific file? |
| 16:22.44 | pmg | double_c: ok. ill start working on getting wine to work. But not f*** around with windows anymore. my nightmare is finished (even though ive been having a couple of problems, hehe) |
| 16:22.48 | LesleyB | nope |
| 16:22.53 | LesleyB | another crash :) |
| 16:22.55 | LesleyB | oh well |
| 16:23.42 | double_c | pmg: There might be equivalent apps for Linux, but I know nothing about audio production with Linux. |
| 16:23.51 | LesleyB | if I want to go to 1.06 firefox should I remove the installed firefox pacakge first or is there a package with 1.0.6 in it? |
| 16:24.07 | double_c | pmg: I suspect that running complex apps under wine will just cause you grief |
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| 16:24.23 | LesleyB | !info firefox |
| 16:24.46 | ricky_clarkson | !pal mozilla |
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| 16:25.13 | double_c | LesleyB: unstable has 1.0.6-2 |
| 16:25.18 | double_c | so yes |
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| 16:25.50 | asg | LesleyB: there maybe a backport at backports.org or apt-get.org. You could always just download mozilla.org binary and stick it in /usr/local |
| 16:25.53 | alex__ | I have recently upgraded and I try now to clean my package, I have the mysql-server 4.0 package and there is the mysql-server-4.q available, I was wondering, should I apt-get remove mysqlserver before apt-get install mysql-server-4.1, if I do this, will it erase my databases ? |
| 16:26.05 | pmg | double_c: thats alright. im going to ask on the wine channel. actually, i need wine for only 1 app. alot of people who use that prog on linux say it works with a good load of tweaking and setting up. once i get wine to work (and understand it), i should be able to find help for the specific program i need. |
| 16:26.13 | cahoot | pmg: for more specific linux audio matters - try #lad |
| 16:26.26 | LesleyB | yep arg |
| 16:26.37 | LesleyB | oops arg* I meant to type :) |
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| 16:26.56 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:27.08 | double_c | pmg: Good luck, I expect you will be able to get it working then, but im my experience it can be a real pain getting things to work under wine. stick with the people who have got it working already :) |
| 16:27.21 | asg | nvz: /msg dpkg i forgot my router's password |
| 16:27.27 | LesleyB | lol |
| 16:27.31 | nvz | asg: heh as if dpkg would know |
| 16:27.49 | asg | nvz: ;) |
| 16:27.57 | nvz | I dont think I have MAC filtering on but I cant get this XBOX wireless adapter to get on the network |
| 16:28.18 | pmg | double_c: thank you, that will help for sure. thanx for everything, you really sorted things out. its really nice of you guys to help out |
| 16:28.26 | nvz | if I can get this thing to work I can setup another box.. I just dont have a hub or any other wireless adapters |
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| 16:28.43 | mo1991 | what package contains dpkg-scanpackages? Is there an easy way to search for .deb packages - debians site search doesn't work |
| 16:28.51 | asg | mo1991: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:28.51 | double_c | pmg: no problem, but be aware that you can get flamed for asking questions in here when you aren't running debian. Good luck anyway. |
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| 16:28.59 | baroni | Hi all. Does anybody remembers the command to add the number of the pages in a .ps file ? |
| 16:29.04 | pmg | double_c: ill remember |
| 16:29.06 | pmg | : ) |
| 16:29.09 | double_c | :) |
| 16:29.11 | ricky_clarkson | pmg: retard |
| 16:29.22 | ricky_clarkson | Sorry, I mean... wear your flame RETARDant suit in here. |
| 16:29.34 | double_c | I thought that was just a quick example :) |
| 16:29.40 | pmg | ooohh, thats mean! man you hurt my feelings |
| 16:29.44 | pmg | really |
| 16:29.44 | kuru | I would like to get a GA-8191000-G motherboard.. any reason why I could possibly have problems with video/sound/etc. ? |
| 16:29.45 | nvz | aha! I remembered |
| 16:29.58 | ricky_clarkson | pmg: I was also speaking French, and were telling you that you're late. |
| 16:30.05 | ricky_clarkson | s/were/was/ |
| 16:30.22 | mo1991 | dpkg -S /bin/foo |
| 16:30.23 | dpkg | Dingos ate my /bin/foo! |
| 16:30.31 | mo1991 | dpkg -S /bin/dpkg-scanpackages |
| 16:30.31 | dpkg | There is no record of a /bin/dpkg-scanpackages package |
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| 16:30.36 | double_c | nvz: did you just go through your list of usual passwords? :-p |
| 16:30.45 | asg | mo1991: only if you have the relevant package installed. Otherwise, install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file dpkg-scanpackages. |
| 16:31.03 | mo1991 | ah, thanks |
| 16:31.10 | pmg | im sure i speak better french than you. anyways, thanx for the compliment. you can just forget about giving your opinion next time |
| 16:31.16 | nvz | double_c: I dont have "usual passwords" |
| 16:31.27 | asg | mo1991: apt-file search dpkg-scanpackages (rather) |
| 16:31.27 | double_c | nvz: hence the ' :p ' |
| 16:32.00 | nvz | if I still used passwords like kitkat, litrite, juicebox and shit I wouldnt forget them |
| 16:32.13 | asg | nvz: you used 'shit' as a password? |
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| 16:32.24 | nvz | but I havent used passwords like that in like a decade |
| 16:32.38 | nvz | asg: heh |
| 16:33.18 | nvz | I dont know why this isnt working got the right essid, security key, and MAC filtering is off |
| 16:33.34 | nvz | I wonder if this stupid thing just doesnt work without essid broadcast or something |
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| 16:34.27 | double_c | nvz: never set up wireless, but could ettercap allow you to see what's happening? |
| 16:35.03 | nvz | double_c: I dont know what an ettercap is but I highly doubt its of any use |
| 16:35.22 | double_c | nvz: lets you see layer-2 communications, I think |
| 16:35.25 | nvz | double_c: this box is wired, and I am configuring an xbox wifi adapter on an xbox console. |
| 16:35.41 | double_c | ah, right, I assumed you were on debian |
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| 16:35.45 | nvz | once I get the fucker configured and on the network I should be able to use it on the pc |
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| 16:36.08 | nvz | its just the only way I know it can be configured is on the xbox |
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| 16:36.31 | cy_ | hello... what means "*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0xb6ec7b3e *** |
| 16:36.31 | cy_ | " |
| 16:36.33 | cy_ | ? |
| 16:36.56 | greycat | sounds like an application bug. |
| 16:37.11 | nvz | oh well fuck this i entered what i am sure the right settings are.. I am plugging this box back into it. for all I know the xbox is just stupid |
| 16:37.47 | cy_ | mh okay greycat |
| 16:37.56 | cahoot | kanske bÃĪttre fÃķr humÃķret att prata med mamma |
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| 16:38.25 | greycat | cahoot: english, please. |
| 16:38.41 | cahoot | asg: (mean for daughter in another window - sorry) |
| 16:38.43 | drac | humour speak mother? |
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| 16:39.26 | sward | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:39.34 | asg | #cvs |
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| 16:40.26 | cahoot | asg: but impressed by your general language knowhow |
| 16:40.54 | asg | cahoot: my only knowledge of that was that it wasn't English though 'mamma' was revealing. |
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| 16:41.45 | asg | cahoot: sto eta? |
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| 16:42.49 | Lanix | how do i unconpres a rar file ? |
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| 16:42.56 | asg | Lanix: /msg dpkg rar |
| 16:43.05 | double_c | I wonder if the BBC have shares in Google. yet another story about them launching a new service, this time it's that new chat app they are launching |
| 16:44.16 | KamiVIP | hi, i wonder which packages i need for working apache2 + php + mysql. i installed apache2-common, apache2-utils, apache2-mpm-pr, php4, php4-mysql, php4-common, mysql-server, libmysqlclient. It work's but not fully' some things don't work any i don't have idea why. i googled, read manuals/how tos and it should work. my apache2.conf is also ok |
| 16:44.24 | nvz | well I sure hit that nail on the head... this xbox wireless adapter wont work without ESSID Broadcasting even though its got the ESSID programmed in |
| 16:44.29 | KamiVIP | hm |
| 16:44.33 | KamiVIP | too long i guess:) |
| 16:44.41 | asg | nvz: idiot hardware |
| 16:44.47 | nvz | this thing definatly wasnt designed with security in mind |
| 16:45.02 | KamiVIP | anybody here got working apache + php + mysql |
| 16:45.17 | asg | KamiVIP: quite a lot I imagine |
| 16:45.21 | nvz | oh well now to try it on the pc.. |
| 16:45.31 | KamiVIP | my point is that i can't get it work. well actually it does work but not everything |
| 16:45.39 | KamiVIP | it's strange you can register on php, sessions don't end etc |
| 16:45.53 | asg | KamiVIP: 1) install apache. 2) install php4 libapache-mod-php4, 3) install php4-mysql |
| 16:45.59 | KamiVIP | i tried everything... googled, how tos, mysql |
| 16:46.01 | KamiVIP | yep got that |
| 16:46.13 | KamiVIP | tried to reinstall it 4 times |
| 16:46.24 | KamiVIP | i have almost same packages on ubuntu and everything works well |
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| 16:46.40 | KamiVIP | only package i have on ubuntu and i dont have on debian is php4-universe |
| 16:46.46 | asg | KamiVIP: you're getting ahead of yourself. Explain what doesn't work. |
| 16:46.50 | KamiVIP | whoch is for ubuntu |
| 16:46.52 | me_here | KamiVIP: it would be more straight to the point if you would tell explicitly us what is not working |
| 16:46.53 | double_c | KamiVIP: have you run phpinfo() to see what exactly is working? |
| 16:46.53 | KamiVIP | which* |
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| 16:47.03 | KamiVIP | yes |
| 16:47.04 | KamiVIP | second |
| 16:47.43 | KamiVIP | http://213.161.23.208:8000/test.php |
| 16:47.47 | eugenesan | hi all, is there zend-optimizer packages out there? |
| 16:47.47 | KamiVIP | php info |
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| 16:47.50 | KamiVIP | looks ok i thing |
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| 16:48.02 | alex__ | how can I do to see the dependency of a package ? |
| 16:48.08 | greycat | alex__: apt-cache show |
| 16:48.09 | KamiVIP | but problem is, i googled, read how tos, forums etc and i can't find it what could be wrong |
| 16:48.15 | alex__ | thanks |
| 16:48.16 | nvz | well it works, highspeed wireless, strong signal. seems to act as a transparent bridge. cause I got my same IP address. and if it had seen the different mac I should have gotten a different IP. I am not sure if using this is worth the security risk of leaving ESSID Broadcasting on.. I may reenable MAC Filtering to help compensate |
| 16:48.23 | Deep6 | greycat, you know much about iostat and vmstat type stuffs? |
| 16:48.39 | alex__ | greycat: and that of a package already installed ? |
| 16:48.46 | PerfDave | nvz: You do realise that MAC filtering is completely hopeless, right? :) |
| 16:48.47 | double_c | KamiVIP: never used apache2, sorry |
| 16:48.52 | KamiVIP | k |
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| 16:49.07 | StR | Hi all |
| 16:49.17 | StR | in aptitude? how do I do a remove --purge? |
| 16:49.20 | greycat | alex__: apt-cache show |
| 16:49.25 | asg | nvz: turning broadcasting on will not impact your security. ESSIDs can be easily snarfed iirc. |
| 16:49.28 | Deep6 | PerfDave, can you explain? |
| 16:49.29 | alex__ | greycat: thaks |
| 16:50.02 | StR | anyoen? |
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| 16:50.27 | greycat | it's not in the man page? |
| 16:50.31 | asg | StR: does aptitude remove --purge <pkg> not work? |
| 16:50.54 | nite613 | Deep6: It's not TOTALLY useless, it's a small barrier though. One can easily change their mac address. Then it's just a question of finding one that passes your filter by sniffing for it |
| 16:50.54 | StR | asg: selecting the files ? |
| 16:51.13 | asg | StR: oh, the curses interface? Not a clue there. |
| 16:51.19 | PerfDave | Deep6: Can I explain what? |
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| 16:52.29 | Deep6 | nite613, how do you obtain the ones that do pass though? (I'm pretty clueless on 802.11b/q/n) is it at the beacon level that you obtain the mac? |
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| 16:52.32 | slak- | sup guys |
| 16:52.39 | slak- | someone suggest a network backup solution |
| 16:52.41 | slak- | hardware |
| 16:52.45 | PerfDave | slak-: AMANDA |
| 16:52.47 | Deep6 | PerfDave, it's ok...I think I figured out what you mean |
| 16:52.50 | PerfDave | slak-: And a tape drive |
| 16:53.12 | Deep6 | Amanda is good....but difficult for first timers |
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| 16:53.35 | asg | slak-: how much data do you intend to backup? |
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| 16:54.23 | nvz | PerfDave: asg you have to realize the closest thing I have to frontline security is the disabled ESSID broadcast, WEP and MAC Filtering.. this is a shitty Modem/Gateway/Router/Access-Point |
| 16:54.28 | slak- | well |
| 16:54.33 | slak- | lets see here |
| 16:54.36 | asg | greycat: haha |
| 16:54.48 | nvz | regaurdless of how secure it is.. its my best hope for keeping the whole school district out of my network |
| 16:54.51 | slak- | im still trying to debate if i want to do full filesystem backups or just user files |
| 16:54.56 | slak- | whats the standart practice |
| 16:55.09 | asg | nvz: yes but even with all that enabled, it is crackable by anyone who cares to crack it. |
| 16:55.18 | PerfDave | There is no "standard practice" |
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| 16:55.24 | PerfDave | nvz: Just use VPN already ;) |
| 16:55.24 | asg | nvz: the only real way to be safe on wireless is to vpn all data traffic over it. |
| 16:55.30 | greycat | slak-: the standard #debian newbie practice is embodied in one of our qotd's |
| 16:55.31 | nvz | this is a digital school district every kid enrolled in school has an iBook with wifi. this at least makes it so they dont "see" my network and able to walk right in |
| 16:55.34 | PerfDave | nvz: Or IPSec if you're truly hardcore like me ;) |
| 16:55.40 | slak- | openvpn :D |
| 16:55.45 | greycat | !qotd126 |
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| 16:55.45 | dpkg | hmm... qotd126 is <helios> sorry for my english: I was rushing on my prompt (silly me!) and just stopped in time an "rm -rf /etc"...but I deleted all /etc/init* files and dirs <asg> helios: restore from backups. <helios> asg, backups? |
| 16:55.48 | r3v | nvz only WEP?... why not WPA2? |
| 16:55.59 | asg | nvz: the ones that care will walk in anyway. Those that don't might stumble but not having the wep key won't be able to do anything. |
| 16:56.02 | nvz | r3v: cause the damn thing only has WEP ffs :P |
| 16:56.44 | cbr | !file cyrus_sasl sid |
| 16:56.50 | asg | nvz: you can buy a gadget at CompUSA for $9 that will show directional proximity to access points with or w/o essid broadcasting. |
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| 16:56.53 | cbr | !file cyrus sid |
| 16:57.00 | cbr | !file sasl sid |
| 16:57.05 | cbr | !search sasl sid |
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| 16:57.19 | PerfDave | cbr: Stop that. Talk to dpkg in /msg if you have to. |
| 16:57.22 | asg | cbr: avoid cyrus, just use something sane like courier, dovecot, or binc |
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| 16:57.55 | Mortalman | This may sound strange, but how would I go about starting a program as a certain user on boot? |
| 16:58.05 | asg | nvz: or set your ESSID to 'Hello Kitty' or some shit. |
| 16:58.11 | PerfDave | Mortalman: Put it in an @reboot cronjob run as that user |
| 16:58.13 | nvz | asg: well disabling ESSID broadcasting, adding a wep key, and MAC filtering keeps out most of the kids I am sure. afterall when you are in a digital school district and at any given point within my access range (which doesnt extend far beyond my fence) there are 4 or more other completly insecure access points.. its not likely to happen |
| 16:58.32 | nvz | asg: its HelloMotoSurfer from the factory "Motorola" thank you very much :) |
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| 16:58.51 | Mortalman | PerfDave: Sound good, I'm gonna go look up how to do that. Thanks |
| 16:58.54 | PerfDave | nvz: See, I'd say that your access point is "completely insecure" :) |
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| 16:59.58 | nvz | PerfDave: I've seen the iBooks these kids have.. most AP's in the town you can walk right by and the chooser shows you the network and you click on it and you are on.. at least with those 3 things they have to first figure out that I even have a AP, then they have to also spoof a mac address and sniff a wep key |
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| 17:00.08 | nvz | PerfDave: by then I am going to be shooting at them |
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| 17:00.46 | PerfDave | nvz: Your network is trivial to break in little time with no manual intervention using freely-available software. That's my definition of "trivial" :) |
| 17:00.52 | c4_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.57 | c4_ | patching file Makefile |
| 17:00.57 | c4_ | Hunk #1 FAILED at 1. |
| 17:01.19 | Mortalman | PerfDave: Won't @reboot make it only do it once? I want it at every boot. |
| 17:01.26 | PerfDave | Mortalman: man 5 crontab |
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| 17:02.06 | nvz | PerfDave: yeah well its the best security my hardware allows. and its better than nothing. Like I said the probability of kids digging around for hidden networks when there are 4 or more available from any corner of my property that arent secured at all isnt likely |
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| 17:02.12 | c4_ | how do i apply that pathc?, i've olready patched with patch-2.6.12.1.bz2 |
| 17:02.44 | PerfDave | nvz: Well, it's your network that's at risk, but I wouldn't be happy with your setup. |
| 17:02.49 | asg | nvz: you could always line the perimeter of your property with punji sticks to keep the little buggers out. |
| 17:03.06 | nvz | asg: I can turn my fence into a faraday cage :) |
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| 17:03.30 | asg | nvz: there you go, close proximity directional EMP |
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| 17:04.50 | drac | c4_: I think 2.6.12.2 patch goes top of 2.6.12, not 2.6.12.1. In fact, any 2.6.12.x goes top of 2.6.12. Someone correct me with better information if available. |
| 17:04.57 | nvz | afaik faraday cage stops any and all wireless transmissions or anything else |
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| 17:05.08 | KamiVIP | so no ideas about webserver?:) |
| 17:05.33 | nvz | IIRC they have ways of viewing monitors and such remotely just by examining the electromagnetic fields |
| 17:05.38 | cahoot | drac: correct unless he uses incremental patches |
| 17:05.59 | nvz | wouldnt be surprised if they could do it via satalite by now |
| 17:06.30 | PerfDave | nvz: I would, the ionosphere has some interesting EM properties :) |
| 17:06.34 | McCabe | hello. Im tired of having to reboot my server everytime i get new harddrive space added. Would it work to use USB drives together with lvm to add more space while running and add that space to an existing lvm partition (speed is not an issue and i cant afford a real hot-swappable ide or scsi interface) |
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| 17:06.52 | nvz | PerfDave: yeah I didnt think of that. |
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| 17:07.10 | nvz | PerfDave: all I know is they got some next-level shit that I've seen in action I can only imagine what I dont know about |
| 17:07.10 | coreyo | what are some good imaps and pop3s servers to use in conjunction with postfix? |
| 17:07.20 | PerfDave | Anyway, on the subject of wireless, does anybody have any good documentation on the difference between ad-hoc networks and ones with APs, and how one would go about running a Linux box as an AP? |
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| 17:07.30 | streuner | coreyo: popa3d ;-) |
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| 17:07.46 | r3v | PerfDave: OpenAP |
| 17:07.49 | pmg | hello. what is the apt-get adress (http) for stable debian packages |
| 17:07.56 | streuner | !info popa3d |
| 17:08.02 | dpkg | popa3d: (A tiny POP3 daemon, designed with security as the primary goal), section mail, is extra. Version: 1.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 17:08.03 | greycat | pmg: apt-setup |
| 17:08.05 | stew | pmg: http://packages.debian.org |
| 17:08.07 | nvz | PerfDave: there are devices that use some kind of laser to read vibrations off surfaces such as windows.. and can translate them into sounds. you can eavsdrop from anywhere in line of sight |
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| 17:08.19 | hiway | I'm getting bombarded with requests from the reverse.theplanet.com spammer... 1) is this indicative of me being somehow 0wn3d, 2) what's the best way to block them? |
| 17:08.22 | ke6isf | pmg: ...you *are* running Sarge,aren't you? |
| 17:08.35 | pmg | yeah |
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| 17:08.42 | streuner | hiway: procmail |
| 17:08.47 | PerfDave | nvz: Yeah, laser inferometers are *old* ;p |
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| 17:09.12 | asg | hiway: instruct your mta to immediately drop all connections from said machine |
| 17:09.13 | greycat | hiway: if they're still bombarding, you're probably not 0wned yet. |
| 17:09.18 | lamp_ | hi i want to backup my debian partition with tar.bz but how must i do this with options for tar |
| 17:09.25 | nvz | PerfDave: see what I mean.. and I know people that make and buy these kinds of things and the shit I seen is way old.. imagine what is out there that I dont know about |
| 17:09.26 | streuner | hiway: first of all, ask if you /msg people first ;-) |
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| 17:09.30 | greycat | lamp_: man tar |
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| 17:09.49 | hiway | alright. they're hitting me from several different IPs. according to sites I've seen about them, they tend to jump around the second you block one. |
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| 17:09.55 | streuner | !tell hiway about guidelines |
| 17:09.56 | skate | pmg. you are not running sarge, ten minutes ago you were asking about problems with xorg. |
| 17:10.00 | Hali_303 | Hi! I'm new to debian. I'd like to install a tipical LAMP (linux+apache+mysql+php) setup, should I download 3.1_r0 or 3.0_r2, and how many of the 12 CDs do I need to download for that? |
| 17:10.08 | stew | hiway: what is the reverse.theplanet.com spammer? |
| 17:10.09 | hiway | gotcha... sorry |
| 17:10.18 | nvz | well now that I have another network interface I wonder which of these shitty pcs I will use. |
| 17:10.25 | lamp_ | greycat: i know but i want to be sure that i have all the options zo i can use this backup when i need it |
| 17:10.25 | PerfDave | Hali_303: 3.1r0a is the current stable release. You want to read the Installation Manual for your installation options. |
| 17:10.28 | skate | you are probably running some debian variant, like ubuntu that comes with xorg |
| 17:10.39 | pmg | ok ok. i am not. but i need the debian repositories to download wine |
| 17:10.42 | skate | although i have no idea why you don't even know what you are running |
| 17:10.54 | nvz | I got an HP VectraVL and an IBM Aptiva.. they are probably both less than 200mhz and dont have much ram |
| 17:10.59 | ke6isf | !tell Hali_303 -about netinst |
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| 17:11.14 | streuner | hiway: are you running you own mail-server? |
| 17:11.15 | pmg | I use Agnula. i know i am not supposed to ask here. but i think this question is asked at the right place |
| 17:11.21 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
| 17:11.32 | PerfDave | pmg: No, it's not asked at the right place. Ask Agnula support how to install WINE on Agnula. |
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| 17:11.46 | Hali_303 | PerfDave: thx |
| 17:11.56 | coreyo | what about imap servers? Cyrus seems to be the big name that comes up, is that one recommended? |
| 17:11.58 | ke6isf | !agnula |
| 17:11.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, agnula is The AGNULA project is developing DeMuDi, a Debian based distribution especially for audio work (http://www.agnula.org), and also providing a download server for Free Music (http://muzik.agnula.org). |
| 17:12.03 | hiway | according to various sites I've found, the "reverse.theplanet.com" attacker is associated with "compromised linux machines", and is involved in "referrer spam". for whatever that's worth. I just don't like seeing constant network activity from them. |
| 17:12.08 | hiway | I am not running my own mail server |
| 17:12.20 | Hali_303 | ke6isf: yes I've looked at netinst, however I'd need the CD's because I'm doing offline install, that's why i'd like to know how many CDs are needed for a LAMP install |
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| 17:12.29 | hiway | and I'm sadly way too noobish to figure out 1) whether I'm compromised, 2) how to get un-compromised, if so |
| 17:12.31 | ke6isf | Hali_303: Ah, good reason. |
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| 17:12.32 | nvz | PerfDave: seriously though I wonder how much it would cost time and money wise to at least secure myself a section of this network.. and if I absolutly have to loose that Wireless Modem/Gateway/Router to do it |
| 17:12.52 | PerfDave | nvz: I'd just use an IPCop box :) |
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| 17:12.57 | Deep6 | anyone any good with performance tools? I'm trying to understand where my bottlenecks are |
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| 17:13.43 | streuner | hiway: well, you could use 'sylpheed' - it has some nice filter-functions to redirect those mails to /dev/null ;-) |
| 17:13.43 | afaict | My mouse crashes when I connect into the motherboard with customized kernel 2.6.11. The optical mouse turn the light on and when I move the light is gone. |
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| 17:14.05 | nvz | PerfDave: I am worried mostly about the school kids as there are large numbers of kids enrolled in the school district that I know have wifi capable laptops provided by the school. I dont want them having access to my fileserver which has been off ever since the last network issues. |
| 17:14.13 | LSorensen | Deep6: which performance of what? |
| 17:14.41 | takatumi | StR: "_ |
| 17:14.46 | sbk | Folks -- have a problem network issue. The symptom is a very slow rsync download, and tethereal shows (at the server) advertisements for tcp zero-window packets. How can I debug this further? |
| 17:14.51 | asg | nvz: then you need to build your own AP and provide better security than what OTS wireless units provide. |
| 17:14.52 | nvz | PerfDave: everyone here but me is wireless.. so we need wireless I just dont want unautorized people having access to LAN services any easier than you do right now via remote IP |
| 17:15.41 | streuner | hiway: best way would be, your mail-provider would have some features already (SPAM-Filter etc. etc) |
| 17:16.04 | PerfDave | nvz: It's hard to say without knowing what your existing gateway thing is ;) |
| 17:16.06 | nvz | asg: I could instead of setting up a 2nd shitty box use this Xbox wireless adapter hooked to a 2nd nic in my pc and wire myself directly to the modem shutting off the wireless and nat features making it just a modem, and use my box as the router and wireless AP |
| 17:16.20 | nvz | PerfDave: Motorola SBG900 piece of crap |
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| 17:16.27 | PerfDave | nvz: I have no idea what that is ;) |
| 17:16.40 | nvz | PerfDave: its a Motorola Cable modem with build in AP and gateway |
| 17:16.48 | asg | nvz: yes. Just make sure to route all non authenticated traffic to a local webserver with a picture of goatse.cx or tubgirl. They should get the message. |
| 17:16.55 | nvz | asg: haha |
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| 17:17.17 | Mxyzpltk | nvz: can your ap talk to a radius server? that will give you at least the chance to tell the AP what mac addys to allow and to ban the rest, (wich helps to keep the dumb ones out, but easy to fake a mac once you know a valid one), and if you want more security, a login of some kind, pppoe for example, and vpn tunnels, openvpn for example |
| 17:17.26 | ke6isf | asg: That is just downright evil. I like that! =^_^= |
| 17:17.34 | hiway | streuner: I think I'm misexplaining myself. what's going on is that I'm seeing constant network activity, and when I run tcpdump (just because it's the only thing I know about), I see it's all coming from various places with names of the form *-*-*.reverse.theplanet.com |
| 17:17.36 | asg | nvz: I'm considering a large blowup of the former hooked to a rollup mechanism in my car's back window to prevent people tailgaiting me |
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| 17:17.51 | hiway | streuner: and if I block one of them, they just jump to another. |
| 17:17.53 | nvz | Mxyzpltk: right now disabling ESSID Broadcast, MAC Filtering and WEP are my best options on the existing AP |
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| 17:18.27 | ke6isf | !asg++ |
| 17:18.35 | Caelum | asg: the cops would find a reason to pull you over, but it'd be funny as hell :) |
| 17:18.36 | nvz | Mxyzpltk: its still weak security I am told.. but thats my philosophy that people wouldnt bother when the school provides nearly every house in the area with an AP that usually isnt secured _at_ _all_ |
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| 17:18.44 | asg | ke6isf: :) |
| 17:18.48 | LSorensen | nvz: enable encryption, enable mac address filtering (both on AP) and that should at least prevent most people from connecting (and use WPA not WEP) |
| 17:19.05 | asg | Caelum: yes, that's why I'm considering the legal implications of such an action. |
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| 17:19.13 | Mxyzpltk | well, out of the three, mac filtering is the only one usefull, add every mac you want to allow, you can use the others if you want but do very little good, you can leave the "air" wide open, and not connect the internet to the AP but to a linux bux that only gives lan or internet to valid openvpn users |
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| 17:19.56 | LSorensen | nvz: WEP is useless, WPA is not entirely useless as far as I understand it |
| 17:20.06 | ThinkLinux | Hello geeks, can anyone tell me how to get xfree86, or xorg to work with Debian, without using a complete install of Kde or Gnome..? Simply, I just want the core, with a Xserver that I could run Fluxbox on.. |
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| 17:20.19 | eeyore- | asg: "Seymour Bunz"? |
| 17:20.21 | nvz | LSorensen: I currently do not have WPA on the modem, and its not upgradable. I am thinking about disabling the modem as a gateway and AP and using this Xbox wireless thingy as the new AP and my debian box as the gateway... if I can do that. |
| 17:20.25 | asg | ThinkLinux: install x-windows-core and the window manager of your choice |
| 17:20.27 | LSorensen | ThinkLinux: apt-get install x-window-system or x-window-system-core |
| 17:20.34 | Mxyzpltk | nvz: you think nobody will try to get into your room because of that, but then the fbi pays you a visit because they used your link for something criminal and you have very little to tell them to fsck off... specially if you're in campus where all the dumb kiddies live |
| 17:20.34 | asg | eeyore-: something like that :) |
| 17:20.35 | ernegro | hola |
| 17:20.49 | LSorensen | nvz: very few wireless clients can be turned into an AP. |
| 17:21.13 | Caelum | WEP is fine for due-dilligence security, it takes millions of sniffed packets to crack a 64bit key |
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| 17:21.23 | c4_ | drac: do you mean that i have to apply patch 2.6.12.5 to .12 instead of .12.1 .12.2 ... .12.5? |
| 17:21.27 | ThinkLinux | LSorensen so, after that its just to get fluxbox, and then woalla? |
| 17:21.28 | LSorensen | Caelum: but not very much work to generate those million packets |
| 17:21.35 | asg | ThinkLinux: yep |
| 17:21.38 | LSorensen | ThinkLinux: normally yes. gnome and kde have nothing to do with it |
| 17:21.43 | drac | c4_: yes |
| 17:21.49 | ThinkLinux | asg thx men |
| 17:21.57 | ThinkLinux | Lsorensen thx |
| 17:21.57 | nvz | LSorensen: this Xbox adapter has two modes "Infastructure" and "Adhoc" and it connects via ethernet.. I was thinking it would work and the configuration on linux would be easy because it would seem like just two wired nics from the linux box |
| 17:21.59 | capnez | Hello! I use Debian testing on a Sony Vaio notebook and have both the standard Debian Kernel (2.6.8) as well as a self-compiled 2.6.12.1 Kernel. When I boot with my own Kernel, and a harddisk has reached its maximum mount count, it only displays a warning that running e2fsck is recommended - it does not run e2fsck. However, the standard Kernel does run e2fsck in such a case. I do not think it is a problem in the Kernel config, and user Blissex o |
| 17:21.59 | capnez | #linuxhelp has told me that he has "looked briefly at the relevant init scripts and there is nothing there that should matter as to that." |
| 17:22.02 | Caelum | LSorensen: hmm, I thought the packets had to be from other boxes |
| 17:22.02 | Mxyzpltk | wep, essid broadcast off, and mac filter will only keep the honest ppl out, is as easy to brake as your room door... so if someone wants to get in, they will |
| 17:22.04 | eeyore- | Caelum: statistical analysis reduces that number of captured packets by quite a significant percentage |
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| 17:22.24 | nvz | LSorensen: its 802.11b/g too just like the one on the modem. |
| 17:22.25 | LSorensen | nvz: infastructure means connect to an AP, adhoc means there is no AP, everyone talks to each other |
| 17:22.26 | c4_ | mmhh... drac: patch 2.6.12.5 has all that predecesors has? |
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| 17:22.49 | LSorensen | nvz: some wireless adapters can be used as AP, but not very many |
| 17:22.52 | asg | Caelum: also, wep keys are 40bit and 104bit really. |
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| 17:22.59 | ke6isf | capnez: OK, is there more? |
| 17:23.03 | nvz | LSorensen: would I use Ad Hoc for using it as an AP? |
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| 17:23.08 | eeyore- | Caelum: "aircrack" |
| 17:23.13 | LSorensen | nvz: no adhoc means there is no AP. |
| 17:23.18 | adjacent | blah. i forgot what a pain sound servers were... |
| 17:23.20 | wfq | somebody know any sources which I can to intall kdebase, kde and kdm? I have debian sid with sources of finlandia but I obtanin problems: kdebase:Depends |
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| 17:23.31 | Blissex | nvz: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxWiFi.html for an intro... |
| 17:23.32 | LSorensen | nvz: just a bunch of clients talking to each other (not sure there is even any encryption possible in that mode) |
| 17:23.37 | eeyore- | asg: some day i gotta see how quick it takes to crack my own net, for a change :-) |
| 17:23.47 | nvz | LSorensen: oh. I dont see why I couldn't I just hook it to another NIC in my pc and run a dhcp server |
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| 17:24.03 | c4_ | drac: the README in the kernel source say: (repeat xx for all versions bigger than the version of your current |
| 17:24.04 | c4_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.13 | asg | eeyore-: :) |
| 17:24.14 | LSorensen | nvz: well how would you control who can conenct then? mac filtering? your current AP can probably already do that |
| 17:24.19 | Blissex | wfq: if you are using Sid, you are a very advanced guru and we cannot be so presumptuous to tell you things you can easily figure out yourself. |
| 17:24.21 | c4_ | i'm confused, sorry |
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| 17:24.30 | nvz | Blissex: I dont really have wifi on my box.. all I got is this external Xbox MN-740 adapter that hooks up via ethernet |
| 17:24.40 | Caelum | eeyore-: if it takes like, a few minutes to crack it might be an issue, but to just keep the neighbors away from a home network with little sensitive information it should be ok... |
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| 17:25.01 | nvz | I was going to use this to hook up one of these old pcs to my existing AP../ but if I can use it to make a new AP might be a better use for it |
| 17:25.02 | LSorensen | nvz: oh a wifi to ethernet bridge |
| 17:25.11 | LSorensen | nvz: still just a client, not an AP. |
| 17:25.23 | nvz | LSorensen: yeah. cant be used as one? |
| 17:25.32 | capnez | ke6isf: Well, I want it to check the filesystems if they reached their max mount count, even with my own Kernel. I am puzzled that it does not do that and would love if someone could point me to some ressource where I can find out more about this or help me solve the problem. (Yes, I have not used Linux for too long...) |
| 17:25.33 | LSorensen | nvz: not unless it has firmware that allows it to be an AP |
| 17:26.00 | ke6isf | capnez: Do 'fsck /dev/foo', where 'foo' is the partition in question. |
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| 17:26.15 | eeyore- | Caelum: i'm locking down the mac, use wep, change keys once a week, lock down ssh access to internal network (only ssh to firewall), and only enable ssh to from one IP. otherwise, outbound traffic is allowed. figured if a neighbour does get on my net, they can enjoy the internet courtsey of me, but can't get back into my internal net |
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| 17:26.23 | nvz | LSorensen: hmm. like something that broadcasts an ESSID and such? |
| 17:26.25 | LSorensen | nvz: the interface on the AP does different things than the interface in a client does. |
| 17:26.32 | LSorensen | nvz: yeah among other things. |
| 17:26.40 | LSorensen | nvz: control what encryption to use, etc |
| 17:26.48 | ke6isf | capnez: If it's just recommending running fsck, it's not critical, but it is a Good Idea to follow that instruction just to be safe. |
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| 17:27.04 | capnez | ke6isf: I do not want to check it manually, but want to have it checked at boot, just like it works with the standard Kernel. |
| 17:27.13 | Caelum | eeyore-: that sounds good |
| 17:27.20 | LSorensen | nvz: in adhoc mode it is more like the old coax ethernet where everyone just sends their message and everyone else receives it and decides if it was meant for them. |
| 17:27.21 | eeyore- | nvz: usually the older prism2-based cards. or, not-old-but-not-new-either prism chipsets supported by prism54 project |
| 17:27.31 | capnez | ke6isf: Behaviour with the standard Kernel is: IF max mount count reached THEN run e2fsck for affected partition |
| 17:27.32 | nvz | LSorensen: probably wont work then. I was thinking from my box it would work just like a normal nat gateway cause it was just a bridge |
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| 17:27.49 | nvz | LSorensen: but I guess if the clients cant talk to it, it wont work |
| 17:27.51 | ke6isf | capnez: ...interesting. |
| 17:27.52 | LSorensen | nvz: well you can but only in adhoc mode then and then you still have to solve security issues |
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| 17:27.54 | eeyore- | nvz: usually hostapd-supported cards are your best bet. but there are others, like atheros, that enjoy good support now. oh, yeah, ralink too. |
| 17:27.59 | adjacent | where is the doc for configuring sound cards in debian? |
| 17:27.59 | capnez | ke6isf: Behaviour with my own Kernel is: IF max mount count reached THEN warn user about it and recommend running e2fsck |
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| 17:28.21 | ke6isf | capnez:I wonder then if fsck has anything where it'll do that for you. |
| 17:28.22 | LSorensen | eeyore-: ralink has AP support in linux? I know they do on Asus boards in windows, but that's not linux so... |
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| 17:28.30 | nvz | LSorensen: not really.. I mean _I_ am more secure that way.. just leaves the wireless clients insecured :) |
| 17:28.32 | eeyore- | nvz: i don't know about you, but i wouldn't want to bridge my wlan with my ethernet lan |
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| 17:28.35 | LSorensen | adjacent: load alsa driver for card, use. what else is there? |
| 17:29.07 | adjacent | LSorensen: i need to look at my logs then, thats what i was doing =) |
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| 17:29.16 | eeyore- | LSorensen: sorry, should clarify :-) ralink has good support in linux, not sure about AP (yet), but they were working on it last i looked |
| 17:29.22 | Caelum | adjacent: http://alsa.opensrc.org/ |
| 17:29.25 | capnez | ke6isf: Hey, I never actually looked into that. You mean it could be a setting with fsck? |
| 17:29.27 | LSorensen | nvz: no more secure than the same setup on your linux system connected to the current AP (assuming it is ONLY an AP, not an internet router). I use a USR 8054 router switched into AP mode only. It just connects ethernet switch to wireless. the WAN port is disabled. |
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| 17:29.36 | weilawei | I compiled a new kernel (2.6.12.5) according to the instructions for debian and it works fine excepting 1 thing. If I boot with any vga= option, like vga=791 that I used for my other kernels, it appears to be booting.. but the screen stays black, no text, nothing. |
| 17:29.41 | ke6isf | capnez: Could be, I'm looking at the man page now. |
| 17:29.48 | LSorensen | adjacent: turn up volume with alsamixer, unmute, etc |
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| 17:29.52 | LSorensen | adjacent: add user to group audio |
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| 17:30.02 | capnez | ke6isf: Will do so too... |
| 17:30.03 | eeyore- | nvz: i really like to keep wlans separate, just on principle :-) |
| 17:30.10 | nvz | oh well I guess I will just hook up one of these old boxes for now. I dont feel like putting any time or money into changing stuff |
| 17:30.15 | adjacent | LSorensen: something else is broken, esd shows no cards working |
| 17:30.23 | Demosthenes | so I echo "package deinstall" | dpkg --set-selections, and then apt-get dselect-upgrade, and it shows 0 items to remove. what gives? |
| 17:30.25 | LSorensen | adjacent: who cares about esd |
| 17:30.32 | LSorensen | adjacent: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:30.35 | nvz | eeyore-: well right now we have a Surfboard Wireless Gateway/Modem thing |
| 17:30.36 | LSorensen | adjacent: which sound chip? |
| 17:30.48 | Caelum | WRT54Gs with sveasoft are really cool |
| 17:30.50 | adjacent | LSorensen: creative sb 5.1 |
| 17:30.54 | adjacent | emu10k |
| 17:31.08 | LSorensen | adjacent: so add snd-emu10k1 to /etc/modules, and it should load on next boot before discover/hotplug can cause any trouble |
| 17:31.11 | LSorensen | adjacent: which kernel? |
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| 17:31.18 | adjacent | 2.4.27 |
| 17:31.26 | LSorensen | adjacent: did you compile modules from alsa-source? |
| 17:31.27 | greycat | alsa on 2.4? good luck! |
| 17:31.32 | LSorensen | greycat: rather easy |
| 17:31.48 | greycat | I don't see why he's want it with an emu10k1 on a 2.4 kernel though. |
| 17:32.04 | LSorensen | greycat: same drivers (minus the 2.6.8 kernel driver bug on the emu10k1) |
| 17:32.10 | adjacent | heh. i havent run a linux desktop since kernel 2.2 =) 2.4 has lots of things im liking |
| 17:32.18 | LSorensen | adjacent: 2.6 has even more |
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| 17:32.26 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 17:32.26 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 17:32.32 | LSorensen | adjacent: is alsa-modules-`uname -r` installed? |
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| 17:33.02 | adjacent | maybe i should go to 2.6 before even messing with this... |
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| 17:33.31 | nvz | well the aptiva currently has 16mb ram.. lets see how much the VectraVL has |
| 17:33.33 | weilawei | adjacent, good idea. compile a nice 2.6.12.5 or 2.6.13 kernel. |
| 17:33.39 | LSorensen | adjacent: well there is a small bug in 2.6.8 kernel in sarge for emu10k1 users |
| 17:33.40 | nvz | I'd rather use it, since its smaller |
| 17:33.43 | LSorensen | adjacent: a bit annoying |
| 17:33.59 | tuxit | Hi, I'm running kde and since my last upgrade, my K menu is empty, I can't configure anything in kcontrol... Any idea ? |
| 17:34.05 | adjacent | im running unstable though |
| 17:34.06 | LSorensen | adjacent: installing alsa-modules for 2.4.27 is simple and works the same |
| 17:34.21 | LSorensen | adjacent: hmm, well unstable is talking about dropping support for 2.4 kernels |
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| 17:34.34 | LSorensen | adjacent: 2.6.12 works fine on my emu10k1 with alsa though |
| 17:34.36 | adjacent | then ill be updating soon anyway ;) |
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| 17:35.02 | nvz | yeah the vectra vl has 64mb |
| 17:35.04 | LSorensen | adjacent: only real problem I have ever had with 2.4 -> 2.6 transition is sata disks changing from ide to scsi interface |
| 17:35.13 | capnez | ke6isf; Possibly relevant: As recommended, all partitions have a value of 1 at <pass> in /etc/fstab, except for /, which has a value of 1, and except the Windows partitions and optical drives, etc. |
| 17:35.26 | nvz | and a 233mhz from what it looks like the Aptiva only has like a 133 |
| 17:35.32 | LSorensen | ke6isf: that made no sense |
| 17:35.34 | adjacent | k |
| 17:35.42 | LSorensen | er capnez |
| 17:35.46 | nvz | looks like i am setting up the Vectra VL.. I think I will install debian :) |
| 17:35.58 | ke6isf | capnez: You mean 2 for that first 1? |
| 17:36.04 | nvz | going to need to put in a bigger HD and a cdrom to install from |
| 17:36.10 | capnez | LSorensen, ke6isf: Exactly. Sorry for the mistake. |
| 17:36.11 | LSorensen | nvz: how big is the hd? |
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| 17:36.44 | ke6isf | capnez: I'm thinking along the same lines. Change everything that isn't /, optical, or a Windows partition to 2. |
| 17:37.02 | LSorensen | ke6isf: well given / is checked seperately already, why bother? |
| 17:37.19 | nvz | LSorensen: not sure but since its an HP Vectra VL I would guess its less than 2gb. and since it was given to me from a business that thew it out the hd may be bad |
| 17:37.24 | LSorensen | ke6isf: only thing that makes sense to seperate is having all devices on a single controller take turns |
| 17:37.38 | LSorensen | nvz: probably just too slow to run windows and office. 2G is plenty |
| 17:37.40 | capnez | ke6isf: That is the case right now. |
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| 17:37.43 | ke6isf | LSorensen: I think that's what -S is for. |
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| 17:37.53 | LSorensen | ke6isf: what -S? |
| 17:38.12 | PerfDave | tuxit: You're running unstable? |
| 17:38.13 | ke6isf | LSorensen: I think it's the flag to explicitely instruct fsck to check in series. |
| 17:38.15 | capnez | LSorensen, ke6isf: The weird thing is that it works just fine with the 2.6.8 Kernel provided with the Debian installation |
| 17:38.19 | tuxit | PerfDave : yes |
| 17:38.20 | nvz | I need to take lunch and clean off my desk, then I will take it apart and figure out what I will do with it.. I like it its a low-profile desktop-style case.. you just dont see those anymore.. closest things are the mini itx towers |
| 17:38.26 | adjacent | LSorensen: i keep catching errors when i try to load the modules |
| 17:38.32 | adjacent | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/updates/alsa/snd-pdaudiocf.o |
| 17:38.37 | ke6isf | capnez: Well, is there a reason you need the newer kernel? |
| 17:38.38 | Demosthenes | i guess there's no one around familiar with --set-selections? |
| 17:38.39 | LSorensen | kde: fsck always does partitions on one disk in series, but it doesn't know that hda and hdb share a bus and that it would likely be faster to do hda* and hdb* in series too |
| 17:38.41 | nvz | right now I got my monitor I am using now on top of it.. I need to clear of room for it. |
| 17:38.43 | tuxit | PerfDave : it seems kdebase has been uninstalled lately from my system :) |
| 17:38.44 | PerfDave | tuxit: Well, there's your answer :) |
| 17:38.51 | greycat | Demosthenes: dpkg --set-selections < file; dselect install |
| 17:39.01 | LSorensen | adjacent: many of those or just one? |
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| 17:39.14 | capnez | ke6isf: Basically not, but it boots faster (to some concern for me), and I just like having newer stuf... :-) |
| 17:39.18 | adjacent | 4 of them |
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| 17:39.27 | sevillano | era una broma mi amor |
| 17:39.28 | LSorensen | adjacent: maybe that build doesn't match your running version. using module-assistant to build alsa-source against the kernel-headers is not hard. upgrading to 2.6 is simpler though |
| 17:39.30 | sevillano | de |
| 17:39.32 | PerfDave | tuxit: Did you check the BTS? |
| 17:39.33 | PerfDave | !es |
| 17:39.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:39.40 | adjacent | yeh. im going to 2.6 |
| 17:39.42 | adjacent | thanks |
| 17:39.43 | ke6isf | capnez: Then since there's no real advantage other than faster boot times, perhaps the best course of action is to just stick with the 2.6.8 kernel, yesno? |
| 17:39.43 | nvz | LSorensen: yeah I was thinking about putting Win98 on it just to have something to play with from time to time and remember how good I got it with debian |
| 17:39.44 | sevillano | eso de el sujetador |
| 17:39.46 | Demosthenes | greycat: echo "mypackage deinstall" | dpkg --set-selections ; apt-get dselect-upgrade ; mypackage is still present. |
| 17:39.54 | ke6isf | !es |
| 17:39.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:39.54 | LSorensen | capnez: how often do you reboot? how often does your disks need fsck? |
| 17:39.54 | fken | hello can someone help me to find whats the problem with my kernel compilation ? |
| 17:40.05 | fatal_ | !tell tia -about msg |
| 17:40.06 | ke6isf | LSorensen: It's a laptop. |
| 17:40.10 | capnez | ke6isf: What I did up until now is just boot into the older Kernel every now and then... |
| 17:40.12 | nvz | LSorensen: but I havent used windows in nearly 5 years and if I remember correctly it hurts on 64MB ram |
| 17:40.16 | LSorensen | ke6isf: so only one disk? |
| 17:40.23 | ke6isf | LSorensen: Presumably. |
| 17:40.28 | LSorensen | kde: then fsck will do the right think even if all the drives have the same number. |
| 17:40.30 | ke6isf | LSorensen: I'm guessing multiple partitions though. |
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| 17:40.38 | LSorensen | ke6isf: |
| 17:40.40 | capnez | LSorensen: Often. I am on a notebook, with only one hard disk, but several partitions. |
| 17:40.49 | ke6isf | LSorensen: Ah, didn't realize that. |
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| 17:40.52 | fken | first of all ive a sata disk where i just installed debian 64bits and i need to recompile |
| 17:40.58 | nvz | LSorensen: not to mention I would have to dig around for drivers and whatnot. I can get a working graphical desktop system in notime with debian |
| 17:41.05 | LSorensen | capnez: well linux fsck auto serializes all partitions on one device since doing otherwise is idiotic |
| 17:41.14 | PerfDave | fken: Why are you compiling? |
| 17:41.19 | LSorensen | fken: you need to recompile? |
| 17:41.23 | fken | I just wanna see my old kernel configuration with the make menucofig |
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| 17:41.33 | LSorensen | nvz: and security updates are a single command with debian |
| 17:41.36 | greycat | fken: ls /boot/config* |
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| 17:41.39 | fken | i need to recompile because of the nvidia driver |
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| 17:41.42 | PerfDave | fken: Why are you compiling? Debian provides pre-packaged, modular, security-supported kernels. |
| 17:41.46 | PerfDave | fken: No, you don't. |
| 17:41.46 | greycat | fken: WRONG! |
| 17:41.48 | PerfDave | fken: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 17:41.51 | LSorensen | fken: nvidia driver works perfectly with the shipping kernel in debian |
| 17:41.56 | capnez | LSorensen: I know, yes. Also, it runs e2fsck, nut just fsck, but in both cases it does not realy matter. |
| 17:42.01 | fken | really ? |
| 17:42.06 | LSorensen | fken: of course. |
| 17:42.08 | ke6isf | !tell fken -about nvidia |
| 17:42.12 | jcuk | Lol, kewl i was just coming on to ask about nvidia stuff :) |
| 17:42.23 | LSorensen | fken: www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/ has my howto on installing nvidia drivers the proper way |
| 17:42.23 | chrisben | Hi everyone, I have a problem on a machine with two interfeces. I want to set it up so that traffic coming in on eth1 goes out on eth1 and eth0 traffic goes out on eth0, any ideas? I'm stumped |
| 17:42.24 | ke6isf | !tell jcuk -about nvidia |
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| 17:42.37 | jcuk | thanks man |
| 17:42.39 | nvz | LSorensen: I think its pretty obvious security updates are the least of my security problems. I live in a digital school district with a poorly secured wireless network |
| 17:42.50 | LSorensen | nvz: well don't want windows near that |
| 17:42.54 | chrisben | both eth0 and eth1 are publie internet interfaces (via 2 difft providers |
| 17:43.05 | fken | ok but ive another problem that could require the recompilation |
| 17:43.13 | fken | the snd driver dont work |
| 17:43.14 | stew | chrisben: lartc.org |
| 17:43.17 | LSorensen | chrisben: there is not solution to that in general. |
| 17:43.22 | fken | for the live 7.1 24bits |
| 17:43.24 | LSorensen | chrisben: multiple routes is not simple |
| 17:43.25 | Caelum | how do you tell apt to automatically upgrade packages that need to download other packages, instead of having them be held back? |
| 17:43.38 | PerfDave | Caelum: man apt-get |
| 17:43.38 | fken | and alsa said its compatible but require the snd core |
| 17:43.40 | Demosthenes | greycat: the idea is i need to use set-selections to remove an already installed package |
| 17:43.43 | stew | LSorensen: sure there is a solution. maybe not an easy one though |
| 17:43.46 | sep | !held back |
| 17:43.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for you.. |
| 17:43.47 | LSorensen | fken: alsa drivers are included in 2.6 kernel. alsa-source compiles against the headers of the existing kernel |
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| 17:44.03 | fken | alsa-source ? |
| 17:44.11 | chrisben | stew: I'll take a read-thru thanks |
| 17:44.13 | LSorensen | stew: it takes special setup of all services, potentially complex ip and iptables rules, and lots of pain |
| 17:44.16 | nvz | LSorensen: I've had my samba off for over a month now cause though I want to share with my family and let them use my LVM array to store stuff. I dont want the whole neighborhood helping themselves to my magnetic storage |
| 17:44.18 | LSorensen | fken: apt-cache show alsa-source |
| 17:44.23 | greycat | Demosthenes: you could just dpkg --remove it. |
| 17:44.31 | LSorensen | fken: debian package for making alsa modules for any debian kernel |
| 17:44.31 | Demosthenes | greycat: nope, i can't. |
| 17:44.31 | fken | can someone gimme a recipe : how to install my live 24bits? |
| 17:44.32 | chrisben | LSorensen: I know, I've been beating my head up against the wall for about 3 weeks now |
| 17:44.35 | greycat | Demosthenes: otherwuse, echo foobar uninstall | ... |
| 17:44.43 | Demosthenes | greycat: i must only use get/set to add/remove software. |
| 17:44.44 | LSorensen | fken: if you run 2.6 kernel, add snd-emu10k1 to /etc/modules |
| 17:44.46 | nvz | in fact I've had all my services off for over a month. I started SSH the other day so I could use my pc from the living room |
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| 17:44.54 | greycat | err, deinstall. sorry. |
| 17:44.55 | Demosthenes | greycat: is the proper keyword uninstall? |
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| 17:44.59 | fken | its not emu10k in fact |
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| 17:45.04 | fken | its another name |
| 17:45.05 | nvz | its sad I cant even run services on my private network without worring |
| 17:45.05 | stew | chrisben: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 17:45.08 | fken | wait |
| 17:45.11 | slak- | hey anyone know what port AIM uses for direct connect? |
| 17:45.14 | Demosthenes | greycat: i'm already using deinstall, but its not removing the software when i run apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 17:45.14 | chrisben | Well, the real issue, isnt' all traffic |
| 17:45.16 | stew | LSorensen: doesn't require anything special from services or iptables |
| 17:45.17 | slak- | for file transfers in AIM |
| 17:45.21 | LSorensen | chrisben: you somehow have to tag packets so ip route can explictly control their default gateway based on the ip they want to use. It is not trivial to setup |
| 17:45.22 | greycat | Demosthenes: *shrug* |
| 17:45.26 | fken | its snd-ca0106 |
| 17:45.28 | greycat | xserver-xfree86 deinstall |
| 17:45.28 | greycat | xserver-xorg install |
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| 17:45.31 | sep | chrisben, you want to route eth1 to eth0 and also rute eth0 back to eth0 ? |
| 17:45.34 | Demosthenes | greycat: thanks anyawy ;] |
| 17:45.37 | slak- | i want to get AIM direct connect working with ip tables firewall |
| 17:45.40 | chrisben | I jsut want openswan to use the eth1 interface exclusivly (and it's correct route) |
| 17:45.44 | LSorensen | fken: no snd-emu10k1 is the driver |
| 17:45.52 | fken | ah |
| 17:46.04 | chrisben | all internet traffic happens on eth0, i want all the vpn stuff going over eth1 |
| 17:46.09 | greycat | are we allowed to ask *why* you must use --set-selections only? |
| 17:46.10 | fken | but why debian cant install it automatically ? |
| 17:46.11 | Caelum | sep: yeah, I usually do that, but if I don't upgrade for a few months I get a page of stuff :) |
| 17:46.13 | LSorensen | chrisben: well you can configure openswan's nexthop explictly to the gateway of the interface |
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| 17:46.23 | LSorensen | chrisben: that should work |
| 17:46.26 | tarzeau | but why, but why |
| 17:46.36 | greycat | !why |
| 17:46.36 | dpkg | Because! |
| 17:46.38 | capnez | LSorensen, ke6isf: Well, I think I will just stay with this...It is not that bothering, just a minor annoyance. Thank you for your great help! |
| 17:46.41 | LSorensen | fken: if you run 2.6 kernel then hotplug/discover usually actually does auto load it |
| 17:46.45 | tarzeau | why do i eat stuff when i'm not hungry at all? |
| 17:46.52 | chrisben | I've done that, but it doesn't seem to work right w/o a static route rireecting the traffic to use that interface |
| 17:46.54 | fken | oh ok |
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| 17:47.04 | sep | tarzeau, becouse it tastes good |
| 17:47.16 | fken | so what should i install because my apt doesnt find any snd module |
| 17:47.17 | sep | tarzeau, we are all slaved of desire |
| 17:47.22 | Caelum | tarzeau: because your brain needs glucose to write code |
| 17:47.25 | tarzeau | sep: no i'm not. it's not tasty |
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| 17:47.35 | tarzeau | Caelum: i don't write code either |
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| 17:47.46 | Caelum | well, for whatever :) |
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| 17:48.12 | univx | hi all |
| 17:48.29 | fken | !why |
| 17:48.29 | dpkg | Because! |
| 17:48.32 | fken | lol |
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| 17:48.37 | grzywacz | hello |
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| 17:48.42 | fken | hello |
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| 17:48.56 | fken | so ill first try to install my nvidia |
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| 17:49.14 | adjacent | LSorensen: what repository are you using for kernel-source-2.6.12, or did you build from source? |
| 17:49.14 | fken | hoping pci express support is correctly installed |
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| 17:49.31 | sep | fken, /msg dpkg nvidia one liner, then /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 17:49.52 | lobz | how do i place a package on hold? aptitude hold packagename doesn't work, tried /etc/apt/preferences, dowsn't work either |
| 17:49.56 | slak- | anyone have AIM working with NAT |
| 17:50.00 | slak- | file transfers |
| 17:50.09 | slak- | i want my nekked pix now!!! |
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| 17:50.13 | LSorensen | AjLavJo: linux-kernel-2.6.12-whatever |
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| 17:50.20 | LSorensen | er adjacent |
| 17:50.26 | PerfDave | lobz: /msg dpkg hold |
| 17:50.30 | LSorensen | adjacent: 2.6.12 they changed kernel- to linux- |
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| 17:50.36 | fken | sep : ? |
| 17:50.48 | adjacent | LSorensen: heh. that explains it ;) |
| 17:50.48 | sep | !tell fken about msgdpkg |
| 17:50.59 | LSorensen | adjacent: yeah. the d-i developers were not impresed |
| 17:51.01 | tarzeau | someone's gonna play some #trivia with me? that's gonna make you forget you are depressed |
| 17:51.03 | chrisben | slak-: you just forward a random port thru to that client, and tell aim to use that port ? <-- it works for fshare stuff at least ) |
| 17:52.07 | lobz | PerfDave: thx |
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| 17:52.35 | ke6isf | What's with all the nick changing? =O.o= |
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| 17:52.41 | fken | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:52.52 | ke6isf | fken: ...um, take out that leading space. |
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| 17:53.32 | fken | i saw sorry |
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| 17:53.50 | greycat | gata: pick a nick! |
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| 17:54.19 | OneSeventeen | I have been using my personal user account on our debian server for ftp access, and just added a new user to use instead, but the new account does not work. (I set the appropriate file permissions, default folder, group, and have rebooted the server even) |
| 17:54.27 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I enjoy a good roadside picnic. |
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| 17:54.35 | ricky_clarkson | The bigger the road, the more fun it is. |
| 17:54.42 | fken | hum ill show you my apt sources list file if you can advice me it would be the first interesting thing (NB : people from debian-fr are as nice and experimented than you all) |
| 17:54.44 | eeyore- | gata: change nick again and i'll ban your ass |
| 17:54.50 | ke6isf | OneSeventeen: Did you set a password? |
| 17:54.50 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: and you get free food, too! only slightly squashed. |
| 17:54.54 | OneSeventeen | Is there a step I am missing other than adding a new user? |
| 17:54.58 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: And cigarettes. |
| 17:54.59 | OneSeventeen | ke6ifs: yes, I did |
| 17:55.01 | eeyore- | that works, too |
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| 17:55.09 | greycat | OneSeventeen: make sure they have a valid password and login shell |
| 17:55.10 | Caelum | OneSeventeen: is the user in group ftp? |
| 17:55.14 | ke6isf | OneSeventeen: OK, what are the symptoms? |
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| 17:55.21 | interbird | How can I change the boot-messages appearing on the console while booting Debian to look like Knoppix & Ubuntu ??? -- Googled by to no result. |
| 17:55.26 | OneSeventeen | I am able to ssh into the server using the new username and password. |
| 17:55.34 | fken | is that enough : deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 17:55.34 | fken | deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 17:55.36 | ke6isf | eeyore-: Ban away, dude. |
| 17:55.36 | Demosthenes | greycat: like DUH... get this. |
| 17:55.36 | Caelum | err nm, there's no ftp group in debian... |
| 17:55.36 | sep | !tell fken about paste |
| 17:55.37 | greycat | OneSeventeen: which ftpd, which shell? |
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| 17:55.39 | OneSeventeen | I am sure they are not in the ftp group, thanks for pointing that out. |
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| 17:55.44 | OneSeventeen | I am using vsftpd |
| 17:55.46 | ricky_clarkson | Ok, ban gata/huevos!!! |
| 17:55.47 | dbrock | is it possible to make it so that packets sent to 255.255.255.255 go to, say, 10.255.255.255 instead? |
| 17:55.48 | asg | greycat: '...The dog peed on the sandwiches' |
| 17:55.49 | concept10 | I get this message on boot: ndiswrapper (wrapper_init:1494): loadndiswrapper failed (1536); check system log for messages from 'loadndisdriver' How do I get rid of this? |
| 17:55.52 | Demosthenes | greycat: it wouldn't remove it because two other packages depend on it. |
| 17:55.57 | fken | sep : for 2 line no nopaste required lol |
| 17:56.00 | dbrock | essentially, I want to control which network device is the ``standard broadcast target'' |
| 17:56.05 | Demosthenes | greycat: it just failed silently |
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| 17:56.14 | wfq | somebody know any sources which I can to intall kdebase, kde and kdm? I have debian sarge with sources of spain (rediris) but I obtanin problems: kdebase:Depends |
| 17:56.20 | PerfDave | concept10: Did you check your system log for message from loadndiswrapper? :) |
| 17:56.27 | Demosthenes | greycat: i just had a flurry of other packages deinstall properly, except the one i was working on |
| 17:56.31 | ricky_clarkson | !ops gata/huevos is causing more channel noise than a noisy channel noise-making thing |
| 17:56.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: gata/huevos is causing more channel noise than a noisy channel noise-making thing |
| 17:56.35 | greycat | Demosthenes: *nod* |
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| 17:56.43 | sep | dbrock, if your interfaces is 10.x.x.x/8 it already do, since broadcasts dont cross routeres |
| 17:56.44 | fken | is it enough or do i need other lines ? |
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| 17:56.54 | sep | fken, enoughf |
| 17:56.55 | ke6isf | ricky_clarkson: Very humorous. |
| 17:56.56 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 17:56.57 | Demosthenes | greycat: i'm only trying to remove netkid-inetd ;] you wouldn't think its that important *wink* |
| 17:56.58 | concept10 | I compiled ndiswrapper on the stock 386 kernel, now using 686 kernel and I get that error, how do I remove the 'old' ndis wrapper? |
| 17:57.00 | fken | ok thanks |
| 17:57.02 | dbrock | sep: I'm sorry, what do you mean? |
| 17:57.10 | greycat | Demosthenes: I still don't see why you can't just dpkg --purge it. |
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| 17:57.16 | ricky_clarkson | ke6isf: I'm British. We put the 'u' in humour, and the 'ugh' in doughnut. |
| 17:57.19 | ke6isf | !greycat++ |
| 17:57.27 | asg | ricky_clarkson: and keep the dead bodies in the boot |
| 17:57.28 | ke6isf | ricky_clarkson: OK, then, very humourous. =^^= |
| 17:57.33 | OneSeventeen | As root, when I type "groups" all I get is root and developers (developers is our temporary web developer group) |
| 17:57.33 | concept10 | PerfDave, that comes from dmesg |
| 17:57.44 | Demosthenes | greycat: because i'm writing a package manager that must only use the --get/set-selections functionality. |
| 17:57.45 | dbrock | sep: I've got two interfaces, eth0 and eth1, and I want to have broadcasts go to eth1 instead of eth0 |
| 17:57.49 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Yes, keeping them in the trunk is so faux pas. |
| 17:57.50 | Demosthenes | greycat: integrated with CFEngine |
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| 17:57.58 | sep | dbrock, a package sent to the broadcast address is broadcasted (naturally), and broadcasts dont cross routers, so if you have interface in say 10.1.2.3/8 your broadcast address is 10.255.255.255 |
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| 17:58.07 | greycat | sounds like an evil professor's homework assignment |
| 17:58.11 | asg | ricky_clarkson: well, trunks have wheels nowadays |
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| 17:58.32 | greycat | OneSeventeen: uh, why would you *care* what groups root is in? |
| 17:58.41 | asg | ricky_clarkson: except the wooly ones worn when bathing in the North Sea |
| 17:58.49 | sep | dbrock, then broadcast to 10.255.255.255 ? instead of the broadcast if of your other interface |
| 17:58.51 | dbrock | sep: I'm talking about the "top" broadcast address, 255.255.255.255 |
| 17:58.55 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Speedo Thermos. |
| 17:59.02 | Demosthenes | greycat: thanks again |
| 17:59.03 | OneSeventeen | because I'm a newbie, I wasn't thinking (I was trying to see what all groups are available, not what groups root belongs to) |
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| 17:59.08 | asg | ricky_clarkson: ah, new-fangled technology |
| 17:59.10 | fken | thanks for your help with alsa : it seems having found the correct ca0106 driver ! |
| 17:59.20 | asg | OneSeventeen: cat /etc/groups |
| 17:59.28 | asg | OneSeventeen: cat /etc/group |
| 17:59.33 | evilbulgarian | hi, im trying to tar and gzip every . file/dir in my home dir for backup can somone help me? |
| 17:59.36 | concept10 | PerfDave, I have ndiswrapper commented out in /etc/modules why does it still try to load it on boot? |
| 17:59.37 | cy_ | mh.. |
| 17:59.40 | sep | dbrock, humm.. i can only think of denying it in the output que of the interface you dont want the broadcast on |
| 17:59.46 | PerfDave | concept10: Did you check your system log for message from loadndiswrapper? :) |
| 17:59.55 | ke6isf | evilbulgarian: 'tar -zcvf /path/to/archivename.tar.gz /home/username |
| 17:59.57 | dbrock | sep: I don't care if the broadcasts go to both networks |
| 17:59.58 | asg | evilbulgarian: man tar |
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| 17:59.58 | fken | hum but |
| 18:00.09 | sep | dbrock, or perhaps a spesific route to that interface in the routetebale... but i cant say if that would work wwithout testing it first |
| 18:00.10 | dbrock | sep: currently it seems to only go to eth0 |
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| 18:00.16 | OneSeventeen | asg: thanks |
| 18:00.24 | ricky_clarkson | "Linux admins do it in chroots". |
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| 18:00.28 | fken | Architecture-specific modutils configuration not found, using defaults AND /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found... |
| 18:00.29 | ke6isf | evilbulgarian: it's not rocket science. |
| 18:00.30 | sep | dbrock, that's first in the routetable probably |
| 18:00.32 | OneSeventeen | I don't see any groups that have anything to do with ftp though |
| 18:00.34 | asg | ricky_clarkson: BSD admins do it in jails |
| 18:00.36 | evilbulgarian | ke6isf: well i only want to do the hidden files / dirs stuff that starts with . |
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| 18:00.46 | sep | dbrock, what aplication broadcasts on 255.255.255.255 ? |
| 18:00.49 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Nice. |
| 18:00.50 | ke6isf | evilbulgarian: 'tar -zcvf /path/to/archivename.tar.gz /home/username/.*' |
| 18:01.06 | asg | ricky_clarkson: Windows admins just get tagged in the can |
| 18:01.20 | dbrock | sep: yeah, I've been messing around with iptables, but I'm not proficient in using it |
| 18:01.31 | dbrock | sep: I've tried doing iptables -t nat -A PREROUTE -d 255.255.255.255 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.255.255.255 |
| 18:01.37 | ke6isf | evilbulgarian: that, as well, should pick up all the .dirs as well. |
| 18:01.38 | dbrock | but that didn't work |
| 18:01.38 | ricky_clarkson | asg: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/que.html |
| 18:01.40 | concept10 | PerfDave, which log? I see the error message in dmesh, syslog says nothing about it |
| 18:01.53 | dbrock | sep: a multiplayer game |
| 18:01.55 | fken | and your help with the nvidia driver does not work too : "Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed." |
| 18:01.57 | PerfDave | concept10: Nothing in /var/log/messages? |
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| 18:02.12 | asg | ricky_clarkson: tagged in the can == a colloquialism for 'sodomized irrespective of location' |
| 18:02.12 | sep | dbrock, and you can't configure what interface to bind to in the game config ? |
| 18:02.16 | valdyn_ | dbrock: -d == --to-destionation ? |
| 18:02.17 | ricky_clarkson | Ah. |
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| 18:02.33 | PerfDave | fken: What command are you running that gives you that error, and what other errors does it give you? |
| 18:02.35 | dbrock | sep: no, that's the problem. It's hardcoded to broadcast to 255.255.255.255 |
| 18:02.45 | evilbulgarian | ke6isf: thx |
| 18:02.49 | fken | posseidon:/home/fken# apt-cache search nvidia-kernel-source no files like that in my source |
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| 18:02.55 | dbrock | valdyn_: hmmm, did I get that wrong? |
| 18:02.58 | greycat | fken: add contrib sources |
| 18:03.03 | ricky_clarkson | dbrock: You can set that with ifconfig, I believe. |
| 18:03.07 | fken | already done |
| 18:03.13 | ricky_clarkson | apt-get update |
| 18:03.16 | ricky_clarkson | fken: ^^ |
| 18:03.17 | dbrock | ricky_clarkson: ooh, that would be awesome |
| 18:03.20 | fken | im using a amd64bits |
| 18:03.50 | fken | "deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ testing main non-free contrib" |
| 18:03.51 | OneSeventeen | are there any default groups that all users should be a member of? |
| 18:03.51 | cy_ | anyone how to fix a broken dependency of the package "konsole" ? ... http://sial.org/pbot/12716 is the output, the only thing ive got in my sources.list is "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free" |
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| 18:04.04 | valdyn_ | dbrock: no idea, --to-destination is not even in the manpage |
| 18:04.08 | cy_ | checked bugs.debian.org already.. |
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| 18:04.16 | ricky_clarkson | OneSeventeen: I put mine in cdrom and audio. |
| 18:04.18 | eeyore- | OneSeventeen: that is really up to you |
| 18:04.21 | ricky_clarkson | Or rather Debian does. |
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| 18:04.44 | valdyn_ | dbrock: ops, nm, i mistyped too |
| 18:04.44 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: no floppy? |
| 18:05.04 | eeyore- | haven't used floppy in years |
| 18:05.06 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: There's been a floppy disk stuck in the drive for approximately 1 year. |
| 18:05.07 | OneSeventeen | Are there any groups that vsftpd requires a user to be in? (such as "users" ?) |
| 18:05.29 | greycat | OneSeventeen: doubtful. did the logs tell you anything? |
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| 18:05.46 | ricky_clarkson | "Yes, they said "file not found."" |
| 18:05.52 | dbrock | ricky_clarkson: any idea how you would set the default broadcast address using ifconfig? |
| 18:06.04 | OneSeventeen | the vsftpd logs simply state that that user "george" tried to login and it failed. |
| 18:06.04 | greycat | most ftpds should only care that a) you have a valid shell, listed in shells(5); and b) that they can encrypt your password to match the encryption that's used in the system password database |
| 18:06.06 | dbrock | default broadcast interface, I mean |
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| 18:06.24 | valdyn_ | cy_: unstale always has some broken depends, atm its konsole, bad luck. |
| 18:06.25 | concept10 | ahhh...screw it...! |
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| 18:06.26 | fken | what should i do ? |
| 18:06.27 | ricky_clarkson | dbrock: -broadcast ip.address.goes.here |
| 18:06.33 | asg | OneSeventeen: are you using the virtual users mechainism? |
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| 18:06.43 | OneSeventeen | No, I am not using virtual users |
| 18:07.04 | ricky_clarkson | dbrock: How do you configure your network, in general? ifconfig/pump/dh_client/interfaces(5) ? |
| 18:07.06 | launch | linux is a puzzle |
| 18:07.08 | cy_ | valdyn_; dhnx.. heh |
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| 18:07.14 | dbrock | ricky_clarkson: won't that just set the broadcast address for a single interface? |
| 18:07.22 | greycat | windows is a puzzle wrapped up in a thick blanket |
| 18:07.32 | greycat | "just put all the pieces together! it's easy!" |
| 18:07.37 | rss | Hi, sorry for this off-topic question but which is the channel for speaking to staff of freenode... I have forgotten the passwd of my LUG's irc channel |
| 18:07.39 | dbrock | ricky_clarkson: i.e., let me use 10.255.255.123 as the broadcast address instead of 10.255.255.255, or something |
| 18:07.42 | concept10 | PerfDave, could I just delete the kernel module package (for 386) and recompile for 686? |
| 18:07.43 | ricky_clarkson | launch: Windows is a puzzle you're not allowed to look at. |
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| 18:07.46 | sepski | rss, #freenode |
| 18:07.48 | OneSeventeen | I can ftp in using my personal "oneseventeen" account, and I can ssh in using both oneseventeen and "george", but I cannot ftp in using "george" |
| 18:07.59 | ricky_clarkson | rss: #freenode - and read the topic for #freenode when you're there (or before). |
| 18:08.00 | greycat | "but if you open the blanket, you've violated the DMCA, and off to jail with you!" |
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| 18:08.05 | rss | it says can't send to that channel |
| 18:08.05 | dbrock | ricky_clarkson: mostly ifconfig and interfaces(5) |
| 18:08.08 | sepski | OneSeventeen, have you modified george's shell ? |
| 18:08.17 | sepski | rss, you ahve to wait in there a while to be voiced |
| 18:08.18 | ricky_clarkson | dbrock: I guess interfaces(5) can do it too, but I don't know. |
| 18:08.33 | OneSeventeen | sepski: all I have done is added the user and put him in the developers group (then restarted the server) |
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| 18:08.39 | ricky_clarkson | rss: /stats p - choose a staffer and /msg him. |
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| 18:08.45 | greycat | OneSeventeen: grep george /etc/passwd |
| 18:08.49 | asg | dbrock: broadcast <foo> in the /etc/network/interfaces stanza for your interfaces |
| 18:09.12 | tuxit | kde in unstable seems broken, any pointer about how I can fix it ? |
| 18:09.29 | dbrock | ricky_clarkson: just to make sure you understand what I'm talking about, I want to make it so that when I say `ping 255.255.255.255', the ping goes out on eth1 instead of eth0 --- essentially, I want to make 255.255.255.255 equivalent to 10.255.255.255 |
| 18:09.31 | OneSeventeen | greycat: george:x:1001:1001::/var/www/: |
| 18:09.37 | ricky_clarkson | tuxit: /msg dpkg kde3.4 (as says the topic). |
| 18:09.51 | greycat | OneSeventeen: ok. did the vsftpd logs reveal anything useful? |
| 18:09.55 | r3v | tuxit: dpkg -i old version of libkde-data from archive |
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| 18:09.58 | tuxit | ricky_clarkson : I did it, but actually I didn't try to change my kde |
| 18:10.06 | tuxit | r3v : cheers |
| 18:10.10 | ricky_clarkson | dbrock: You could swap eth0 and eth1. |
| 18:10.13 | sepski | dbrock, have you considered trying to swap the ip's of eth0 and eth1, (and the cables naturaly) to have the other first in the routingtable. |
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| 18:10.18 | PerfDave | concept10: I don't think that would help. |
| 18:10.24 | sepski | !beer ricky_clarkson |
| 18:10.29 | ricky_clarkson | sepski: Actually you can do it without changing hardware around. |
| 18:10.32 | dbrock | asg: again, that that only sets the broadcast address for a single interface; it does not change where packets addressed to 255.255.255.255 end up |
| 18:10.44 | asg | ricky_clarkson: he could also use nameif instead of flipping the nics |
| 18:10.45 | sepski | ricky_clarkson, aye, but this is a lot easier if you happen to have access |
| 18:10.47 | concept10 | PerfDave, what tell the module to load upon start? |
| 18:10.50 | ricky_clarkson | sepski: modprobe -a ne io=0x240,0x300 will make the 240 card eth0 and the 300 card eth1. |
| 18:10.50 | OneSeventeen | greycat nope, just [george] FAIL LOGIN: Client "my.ip.address." |
| 18:10.52 | asg | dbrock: ah, my misunderstanding |
| 18:10.52 | concept10 | *tells |
| 18:11.09 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Don't know nameif. |
| 18:11.13 | fken | hum... everybody seems to be lost with my issues : is there someone here with amd64 arch ? if yes could you gimme your source list (particulary if you succes in the install of nvidia drivers) |
| 18:11.18 | dbrock | ricky_clarkson: except in my case eth1 is really tap0, which I can't make the `first' interface |
| 18:11.24 | drac | I just tried to upgrade kde3.4 factoid but it didn't allow me to, it's old.. with "kde3.4 is in unstable, but you shouldn't be using unstable unless you know what you are doing. or see http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34" |
| 18:11.30 | asg | ricky_clarkson: nameif (8) - name network interfaces based on MAC addresses |
| 18:11.32 | greycat | OneSeventeen: does vsftpd use PAM or does it have its own builtin hashing? |
| 18:11.53 | tuxit | r3v : it seems that libkde-data doesn't exist ;) |
| 18:12.12 | fken | hey ! I cant "make menuconfig" of my actual sources ... there is an error |
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| 18:12.22 | asg | fken: libncurses5-dev and build-essential |
| 18:12.28 | dbrock | asg: oh, nameif... that sounds interesting |
| 18:12.29 | greycat | fken: is it on the front page of the FAQ? |
| 18:12.37 | greycat | !faq |
| 18:12.37 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:12.41 | r3v | tuxit: kdelib-data then? it's something like that :) |
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| 18:13.06 | OneSeventeen | greycat: I see "pam_service_name=vsftpd" at the bottom of the config file... does that help? |
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| 18:13.22 | fken | uh? asg you are right its not installed but it worked with the 2.6.12 kernel compilation... |
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| 18:13.31 | PerfDave | concept10: I don't think your problem has anything to do with modules. |
| 18:13.48 | PerfDave | concept10: But since you won't actually give me the information I ask for, I can't help you. |
| 18:13.59 | PerfDave | fken: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 18:14.08 | asg | fken: libncurses5-dev is required for 'make menuconfig' not for actually compiling the kernel. |
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| 18:14.31 | jesus | hi all |
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| 18:14.36 | jasoncohen | my debian system seems to be acting very strangely. I use ntp to set the clock and yet it was 3 minutes off last night. I restarted ntpdate to reset the clock and this morning it's again 3 minutes off |
| 18:14.38 | PerfDave | fken: If you compile your own kernel from non-Debian sources, you probably won't be able to use module-assistant to install the nVidia drivers. |
| 18:14.42 | fken | i used make menuconfig for the configuration of the 2.6.12 and it still refuse to work |
| 18:14.48 | jasoncohen | however after running ntpdate it shows the correct time |
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| 18:14.57 | jasoncohen | what would cause such a huge time shift? |
| 18:15.11 | PerfDave | jasoncohen: Dodgy CMOS battery? |
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| 18:15.14 | tuxit | r3v : actually, I got the oldest version (3.3.2.6-1, from May). Any other idea ? |
| 18:15.18 | sepski | jasoncohen, you run ntpd in addition to ntpdate ? |
| 18:15.22 | asg | jasoncohen: it's working so hard, it can't keep up? |
| 18:15.39 | jasoncohen | and i need the correct time- this is a mythtv backend |
| 18:15.44 | jasoncohen | SpeS, just ntpdate |
| 18:15.51 | asg | jasoncohen: so, run ntpdate every 15 minutes or so |
| 18:15.55 | r3v | tuxit: that's the only broke kde thing I know of in sid (that it wants you to upgrade to 3.4.x even though you don't really want to) |
| 18:15.56 | cahoot | jasoncohen: apic + dodgy bios? |
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| 18:16.01 | sepski | jasoncohen, ntpdate only sets time on boot, run ntpd in addition to keep it in sync |
| 18:16.03 | jasoncohen | sepski, just ntpdate |
| 18:16.10 | rbd | hey guys, what's the name of the debian placeholder package that depends on any MTA being there (e.g. exim4, sendmail, etc)...it's something like mail-daemon ? |
| 18:16.11 | btsdev | any of you guys ever have trouble with REALLY slow dns lookups? lynx google.com takes like 20 seconds to load (19 sec for dns, 1 sec for page) but i can ping google.com and get immediate responses and then if i try to lynx google's ip, i get the page instantly... i'm really confused -- any ideas? |
| 18:16.16 | sepski | jasoncohen, install ntp-simple |
| 18:16.31 | jasoncohen | ok, thanks sepski |
| 18:16.41 | jasoncohen | should i buy a new battery? |
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| 18:16.51 | sepski | btsdev, one of your nameserver in resolv.conf dont function, check each one in turn with host, or nslookup |
| 18:16.53 | asg | btsdev: some apps cache dns lookups, some use the local resolver, some use their own resolver routines. Is /etc/resolv.conf correct? |
| 18:16.57 | jasoncohen | i don't use any power management since it needs to be running 24/7 to record |
| 18:17.13 | tuxit | r3v: thanks. I don't mind the version, I just want to fix my kde ;) |
| 18:17.17 | greycat | rbd: use equivs. |
| 18:17.19 | sepski | jasoncohen, i woudnt bother, if the computer is on all the time anyway |
| 18:17.23 | PerfDave | rbd: mail-transport-agent |
| 18:17.35 | PerfDave | rbd: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 18:17.36 | btsdev | sepski: my /etc/resolv.conf points to an address within my subnet... 192.168.1.254 but i don't know if that's correct or not |
| 18:17.39 | greycat | mail-transport-agent is the name of the virtual package that exim et al. provide: |
| 18:17.42 | r3v | tuxit: well the version will break it cause it half does 3.4 and 1/2 3.3 (which broke mine last week) |
| 18:17.48 | asg | btsdev: does 192.168.1.254 run a DNS server? |
| 18:17.49 | jasoncohen | sepski, how often will ntpd run to keep the time in sync? |
| 18:17.50 | sepski | btsdev, test it with host or nslookup |
| 18:18.02 | sepski | jasoncohen, ntpd runs as a daemon (continuusly) |
| 18:18.05 | btsdev | asg, sepski: one sec let me check |
| 18:18.13 | r3v | tuxit: you can try #debian-kde |
| 18:18.15 | rbd | PerfDave, building a deb that I requires any MTA to be there (just so that I can send mail out from localhost) |
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| 18:18.25 | nvz | I have some of these little 9pin serial to 8pin CAT5 thingies.. I guess they are for setting up dumb serial terminals. Don't know what the hell I would ever need em for |
| 18:18.34 | PerfDave | rbd: A Debian system will have an MTA there, unless it's broken. |
| 18:18.43 | asg | nvz: serial consoles |
| 18:18.43 | tuxit | r3v : thanks again, bye |
| 18:18.49 | jasoncohen | sepski, so my time shouldn't go out of sync anymore? |
| 18:19.00 | rbd | PerfDave, okay sounds good. thanks guys for the input |
| 18:19.02 | sepski | rbd, are you talking about equivs ? something you can use if you run a non debian MTA |
| 18:19.05 | mith | nvz: how exactly did you come to be in possession of them if you don't know what they're for? |
| 18:19.09 | nvz | asg: yeah but I dont have a serial terminal |
| 18:19.14 | sepski | jasoncohen, if you configure ntpd correctly |
| 18:19.15 | fken | PerfDave : the fact Im using the debian kernel doent help me ? |
| 18:19.19 | asg | nvz: you have a machine with a serial port don't you? |
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| 18:19.22 | asg | nvz: use minicom |
| 18:19.34 | btsdev | asg, sepski: 'host 192.168.1.254' returns: 'Host 254.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)' |
| 18:19.34 | nvz | mith: I got a ton of shit I dont know what it is.. businesses give me stuff when they dont need it anymore |
| 18:19.36 | rbd | sepski, nah I just needed some mail daemon to be on the system. but if debian requires a MTA to be installed, there's nothing to worry about |
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| 18:20.04 | fken | PerfDave : I mean the fact i tried to compile another kernel destruct my configuration ? |
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| 18:20.10 | sepski | rbd, all unix/linux systems requires a mta of some sort unless you have a cripled system, use exim-light or soemthing |
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| 18:20.13 | asg | btsdev: well, use netcat to see if something is listening on port 53/udp (and possibly 53/tcp) |
| 18:20.15 | nvz | hmm this vectra vl doesnt have a hdd in it at all. I guess I will have to put one in. |
| 18:20.23 | mith | nvz: that in paticular is just a weird item to have and not know what it's for, because you can't just go pick them up in most computer stores (unfortunately, ugg, I spent an entire weekend looking for one once) |
| 18:20.26 | asg | btsdev: or nmap if you have it |
| 18:20.40 | mith | nvz: and most people use them until they get cut up/etc and don't give them away :P |
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| 18:21.17 | derFlo | how can I put multiple Debian Installer CDs on one multi boot DVD? I know hot to use isolinux, my problem is, that all CDs use a "pool"-directory. How can I tell the installer to use another subdirectory? |
| 18:21.29 | jasoncohen | where can i get a replacement CMOS battery? |
| 18:21.37 | PerfDave | fken: I have no idea what you're talking about. If you're not using a Debian-provided kernel-image (or a kernel compiled from a Debian kernel-source), you probably can't use module-assistant to install the nVidia modules. |
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| 18:21.45 | derFlo | is this possible via an append= entry? |
| 18:21.48 | r3v | derFlo: couldn't you just download the DVD images? |
| 18:21.49 | btsdev | asg: 'nc 192.168.1.254 53' says connection refused |
| 18:21.53 | nvz | mith: I got cables here for things I have no clue what they go to.. you know those PC card modem/nics.. I got like 50 little cables that plug into those so you can plug a phone or cat5 jack into them |
| 18:22.07 | sepski | jasoncohen, depends on motherboard, the most common battery could be bougt in any tv/radio store |
| 18:22.10 | jasoncohen | sepski, what do i have to do to configure ntpd?" |
| 18:22.21 | fken | PerfDave but i am using the debian 2.6.11-7 kernel |
| 18:22.26 | mith | nvz: you can sell those on ebay |
| 18:22.27 | mith | heh |
| 18:22.38 | sepski | jasoncohen, install it, it defautls to some public ntp servers, if that's ok for you just stick with it |
| 18:22.44 | derFlo | i want to put knoppix, netinst, ubuntu live and install, winxp, bartpe on one CD |
| 18:22.45 | jasoncohen | that's fine |
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| 18:22.45 | NoGodNoMaster | hi all, when printing an eps image with dashed lines in it, only solid ones a in the printout ... kghostview/gv/whatever renders them correctly .. any directions where the error could be? |
| 18:23.00 | sepski | jasoncohen, usualy i reconfigure it to my isp's time server |
| 18:23.07 | sepski | jasoncohen, but that's not requiered |
| 18:23.10 | PerfDave | fken: Then it should work. |
| 18:23.11 | mith | NoGodNoMaster: sounds like your printer's postscript support sucks, to me |
| 18:23.24 | derFlo | I know how to do that despite the fact that some CDs (ubuntu and debian) have the same pool-directories (ans some others too) |
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| 18:23.30 | asg | btsdev: since this is a 192.168.x.y network, is it yours and, if so, wth is 192.168.1.254? Is it a SOHO router/firewall thingy? |
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| 18:23.37 | nvz | mith: I got several removable cdroms and floppy drives for IBM Thinkpads.. I even got a few broken thinkpads |
| 18:23.43 | bartden | hi , is there a program that can make screenshots of my kde desktop |
| 18:23.49 | greycat | !screen shot |
| 18:23.49 | weilawei | NoGodNoMaster, a printer resolution of 1 blot per inch, meaning it can't handle dashed lines? =P |
| 18:23.49 | dpkg | somebody said screenshot was 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 18:23.58 | fken | it doesnt... |
| 18:24.00 | fken | pffff |
| 18:24.10 | PerfDave | fken: I know it doesn't, you already said. |
| 18:24.12 | mith | nvz: ebay! |
| 18:24.14 | sepski | jasoncohen, just verify it workes with ntpq - type peer, and the line with an ip should have a st value of less then 13 (the local clock) |
| 18:24.15 | r3v | bartden: kscreenshot? |
| 18:24.19 | fken | i think ill try to reinstall |
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| 18:24.38 | nvz | man my desk is a mess. I'd like to just push it all off into a trash bag but I know theres got to be something important on hjere somewhere |
| 18:24.43 | fken | maybe ive done too many mistake |
| 18:24.44 | NoGodNoMaster | hm, but shouldn't cups be able to handle it? with the correct driver? |
| 18:24.52 | fken | i could see whats the problem is |
| 18:24.57 | btsdev | asg: i live in a house with like 30 people but i can get access to network stuff if i really need it--- guess 254 is a router because http://192.168.1.254 brings me to a router configuration login page |
| 18:25.13 | PerfDave | fken: You know, if you actually listened to what people told you, and gave people the information you were asked for, you'd probably have it cracked by now. |
| 18:25.36 | dbrock | okay, I tried renaming my old eth0 to eth2 and tap0 to eth0; now when I ping 255.255.255.255, I still get replies from the network eth2 that is connected to |
| 18:25.44 | btsdev | asg: specifically a netopia 3000 if it matters |
| 18:25.46 | asg | btsdev: then the problem is likely that the upstream ISP has crap nameservers and you benefit from their ineptitude. Other than getting them to fix things, you could just install your own local dns cache and give them the finger |
| 18:26.00 | fken | wht information i didnt give you ? |
| 18:26.06 | dbrock | I wonder what determines where packets destined for 255.255.255.255 go |
| 18:26.07 | sepski | btsdev, does nsslookup www.cnn.com 192.168.1.254 resolve to ip's ? |
| 18:26.18 | mith | NoGodNoMaster: if it rasterizes it first, yes, but if you're using a printer that understands postscript and are trying to print a postscript files it's probably just pushing the raw postscript to the printer and praying that it works |
| 18:26.24 | asg | btsdev: lifewithdjbdns.org or #dns |
| 18:26.27 | dbrock | based on what I'm observing now, it would seem that it doesn't just get sent to eth0 |
| 18:26.34 | sepski | dbrock, i did imagine that it should be broadcasted on all regular interfaces. let me test it on my work computer |
| 18:26.35 | mith | NoGodNoMaster: and obviously, it's not working :P |
| 18:26.56 | dbrock | sepski: thank you |
| 18:27.14 | NoGodNoMaster | mith: looks like ... |
| 18:27.23 | beardy | How come there isn't a kernel-image-2.6-586 package? |
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| 18:27.51 | btsdev | asg: sec |
| 18:28.01 | dbrock | it would be useful to be able to get it to broadcast to all regular interfaces; but what I really would like to do is make it broadcast to a special interface too (specifically, tap0) |
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| 18:28.13 | nvz | mith: I am so good at comming by not only free stuff but cheap things too that if I was good at ebay I could probably make a living going around to offices and businesses when the close or upgrade and getting stuff off them |
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| 18:28.24 | asg | dbrock: you might need to check the howtos at lartc.org |
| 18:28.28 | Mortalman | Anyone have problems with firefox not downloading anything on sarge? |
| 18:29.04 | btsdev | sepski: yes it resolves |
| 18:29.10 | fken | PerfDave > there is no nvidia package on my source maybe ive a rogue one is it possible ? |
| 18:29.12 | dbrock | asg: thank you, I will look through that |
| 18:29.15 | sepski | dbrock, the broadcast only exits on eth0 and not on eth1, bu the local ip configured on eth1 does reply |
| 18:29.28 | sepski | btsdev, then your dns server at 192.168.1.254 does function. |
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| 18:29.29 | NoGodNoMaster | mith: i just changed the cups-driver for the printer .. now it works :-) |
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| 18:29.35 | dbrock | sepski: wait what are you saying? |
| 18:30.10 | sepski | dbrock, that you have to swap ip's wither with loading module with arguments of physicaly |
| 18:30.42 | sepski | dbrock, ohh right tap0 cant do that |
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| 18:30.47 | btsdev | sepski: crap then i don't understand why i can instantly lookup google.com with the cmd you gave me but lynx google.com takes _forever_ |
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| 18:31.28 | dubbaluga | i have serious troubles regarding my isc dhcpd3 server - the dhcpd.leases file grows to several Megabytes and even more - does anybody know what i can do? |
| 18:31.29 | sepski | btsdev, try nslookup google.com then |
| 18:31.30 | mith | NoGodNoMaster: good |
| 18:31.32 | OneSeventeen | my new user cannot ftp into the server, but it can ssh in. I am using vsftpd which does use pam. Do I need to tell pam george can access ftp? |
| 18:31.43 | Xylron | Is it possible to write a depends line to represent: (A && B)||C ? |
| 18:31.50 | sepski | dubbaluga, are your lease time very short ? |
| 18:32.11 | jasoncohen | sepski, "*webly.coleman.e 164.67.62.194 2 u 21 64 377 96.333 -2302.4 351.622" |
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| 18:32.22 | btsdev | sepski: that's just as fast as 'nslookup google.com 192.168.1.254'; in fact it's telling me with just 'nslookup google.com' that it's using the dns server at 192.168.1.254 |
| 18:32.25 | sepski | jasoncohen, looks good |
| 18:32.31 | dbrock | sepski: yeah... I find it weird that broadcasts only go out on the first interface |
| 18:32.35 | dubbaluga | sepski, max lease time 7200 and min lease time is 600 |
| 18:32.50 | nvz | Xylron: seems to me if you needed A & B or just C.. A or B should depend on each other |
| 18:32.54 | sepski | dbrock, actualy you should broadcast to the spesific interface.. but .. |
| 18:33.19 | dubbaluga | sepski, i found entries for the same mac addresses thousands of times |
| 18:33.53 | jasoncohen | sepski, is "when" the last time it was update? |
| 18:33.55 | jasoncohen | *updated |
| 18:33.56 | sepski | dubbaluga, obviously that is very wrong |
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| 18:34.16 | Xylron | nvz: no and and b have nothing to do with each other. It is that the package in question can use utility C to do a certtian task, or the combination of utilities A and B. |
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| 18:34.25 | jasoncohen | sepski, it appears to be updating every 60 seconds |
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| 18:34.47 | sepski | dubbaluga, i'd try tcpdump to look at what the dhcp server and client is talking about. perhaps a w2k with broken dynamic dns update functinality |
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| 18:35.07 | dubbaluga | sepski, no, it happens to my linux box (dhclient) too |
| 18:35.12 | Xylron | s/no and/no. a and/ |
| 18:35.13 | nvz | Xylron: I dont know if policy allows that. try asking in a channel like #debian-mentors or somewhere with more developers around. doesnt seem to be any looking right now |
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| 18:35.23 | jedi_riff | Does anyone know any good free NTFS resizers? |
| 18:35.24 | Xylron | k |
| 18:35.33 | dubbaluga | sepski, the dhcpd.leases file grows with approximately 100kB / Second (just one client!) |
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| 18:35.56 | sepski | dubbaluga, look at the tcpdump on the dhcp server |
| 18:35.56 | ex | jedi_riff, qtparted works pretty well but you can't resize past the ntfs index |
| 18:36.06 | dubbaluga | sepski, okay |
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| 18:36.09 | valdyn_ | Xylron: that combination is possible, but prone to problems ( as is the case with ganim and fam ) |
| 18:36.09 | jedi_riff | What does that mean? |
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| 18:36.20 | jedi_riff | What is the NTFS index? |
| 18:36.54 | ricky_clarkson | Is it like the FTSE? |
| 18:36.56 | sepski | dbrock, you could try posting to the lartc mailinglist, (the channel is usuualy not very alive) |
| 18:36.58 | fken | so i just copy each advices you gave me and now ill try to reinstall more properly : could a amd64user who was able to install nvidia driver give me his sourcelist ? |
| 18:37.02 | ex | jedi_riff, it is an index of the files on your filesystem. IT is physically immovable, a lot of timse it is placed in the middle of the drive, but sometimes it exists at the end of the drive and you can't resize much |
| 18:37.12 | greycat | fken: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 18:37.18 | btsdev | sepski: my search line is empty in /etc/resolv.conf... should that matter? |
| 18:37.23 | jedi_riff | And i Downloaded QTparted but couldnt figure out how to work it |
| 18:37.31 | fken | already done but no answer |
| 18:37.35 | greycat | btsdev: only if you planned to look up "fred" and have the resolver turn it into "fred.your.domain" |
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| 18:37.46 | ex | jedi_riff, qtparted is on the knoppix disk, try running it after a disk defrag and you should be able to see how far you can resize...it wont let you resize past the drive index. |
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| 18:37.48 | dbrock | sepski: okay, yeah, I'll do that |
| 18:37.51 | btsdev | greycat: oh. ok |
| 18:37.52 | sepski | btsdev, you have a empthy source line (bad) or no source line at all |
| 18:37.59 | jedi_riff | I need to run the partitioner within XP |
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| 18:38.09 | jedi_riff | I dont yet have Linux, is QTParted for Linux only? |
| 18:38.23 | greycat | 14:37 ex> jedi_riff, qtparted is on the knoppix disk, try running it after a |
| 18:38.26 | lixar | how does one install modules with cpan, without the root access? |
| 18:38.31 | bimmerd00d | hey guys, quick question, SSH'd into a machine at a remote location with no current access. Need to know how to open multiple terminals in VNC or SSH. |
| 18:38.33 | greycat | lixar: one doesn't, or one asks #perl |
| 18:38.44 | lixar | ooops |
| 18:38.47 | asg | bimmerd00d: screen is your friend |
| 18:38.47 | dondelelcaro | lixar: install them into the local directory and set your @INC properly |
| 18:38.48 | lixar | thanks |
| 18:38.57 | btsdev | sepski: on this machine i have 'search' alone and on another machine i have no search line.. both have slow lynx fetches (b/c of slow dns lookups) but fast nslookup lookups |
| 18:39.00 | sepski | bimmerd00d, screen |
| 18:39.04 | jedi_riff | Ok, ill try running it in Knoppix |
| 18:39.06 | jedi_riff | Thanks |
| 18:39.06 | vorsprung | lixar, see you in #perl |
| 18:39.09 | bimmerd00d | how do i use screen? i'm new to this |
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| 18:39.20 | PerfDave | lixar: You can't install modules with CPAN.pm without root, you can with CPANPLUS IIRC. Note that if you're installing modules globally on a Debian machine, you should be using dh-make-perl |
| 18:39.24 | jedi_riff | Oh and, once in Knoppix, how can i find QTParted? |
| 18:39.25 | btsdev | sepski: could it be an ipv6 problem in the kernel or something? |
| 18:39.27 | sepski | bimmerd00d, man screen |
| 18:39.37 | ex | jedi_riff, open a terminal and type qtparted |
| 18:39.39 | sepski | btsdev, my 2 interfaces was both ipv4 |
| 18:39.41 | jedi_riff | ok thanks |
| 18:39.43 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: you can install them even using CPAN without being root; you just have to set the DESTDIR properly |
| 18:39.46 | Xylron | valdyn_: ganim does not seem to be a package. |
| 18:39.56 | sepski | btsdev, ohh nevermind mixed you up |
| 18:40.02 | valdyn_ | Xylron: gamin ( or whatever ) |
| 18:40.03 | btsdev | sepski: heh |
| 18:40.05 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Really? I was always told that it was impossible. |
| 18:40.11 | dondelelcaro | well, someone lied |
| 18:40.30 | bimmerd00d | another question, how do i enable VNC in X, it's Redhat enterprise linux, but they are not helpful over in teh redhat room |
| 18:40.34 | sepski | btsdev, any name cacher installed ? like nscd or similar ? |
| 18:40.37 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 18:40.37 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 18:40.41 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Yeah, the entire London Perl Mongers.. |
| 18:40.49 | bimmerd00d | only have access to the box currently thru ssh |
| 18:40.50 | dondelelcaro | it's definetly not as easy as the whole perl -MCPAN -e 'install foo'; meme, but then, it's not that difficult |
| 18:40.55 | fken | is there a non-US sourcelist ? |
| 18:40.59 | greycat | fken: /topic |
| 18:41.00 | asg | fken: /topic |
| 18:41.03 | PerfDave | !topicsmite fken |
| 18:41.04 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon fken. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:41.17 | btsdev | sepski: don't think so. and i just did nslookup test.com, which i haven't tried before and that was instant too -- so i don't think i have a cacher installed |
| 18:41.32 | sepski | btsdev, is there a difference in lynx google.com compared to ping google.com ? |
| 18:41.41 | greycat | btsdev: cachers would speed things up, but only if they're already cached... |
| 18:41.48 | btsdev | sepski: yes. ping is instant. nslookup is instant. lynx is slow as crap |
| 18:42.02 | greycat | btsdev: using an HTTP proxy? |
| 18:42.05 | fken | oh ok thanks |
| 18:42.12 | sepski | btsdev, hmm do you use ipv6 ? |
| 18:42.14 | btsdev | greycat: yeah i know but i'd rather try to get this fixed thoroughly than install a cache on all my machines |
| 18:42.15 | sepski | disable it |
| 18:42.23 | btsdev | sepski: any easy way to check? |
| 18:42.32 | sepski | btsdev, you'd know if you needed it |
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| 18:42.39 | sepski | btsdev, dont load the ipv6 module on boot |
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| 18:43.04 | sepski | btsdev, i dont know what loads it, but adding it to blacklist in discover and hotplug is a good start |
| 18:43.04 | bimmerd00d | another question, how do i enable VNC in X, only currently have access via SSH |
| 18:43.26 | asg | bimmerd00d: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 18:43.28 | greycat | he thinks we forgot in the last 4 minutes. |
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| 18:43.29 | sepski | bimmerd00d, you want vnc to display a different or same session as your monitor ? |
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| 18:43.36 | btsdev | sepski: ok i'll try that and i'll reboot; i'll be back in a few. thanks. |
| 18:43.49 | greycat | sepski: 14:40 bimmerd00d> another question, how do i enable VNC in X, it's Redhat enterprise linux, but they are not helpful over in teh redhat room |
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| 18:44.04 | asg | btsdev: this is Unix, we don't reboot unless hardware or kernel has changed. |
| 18:44.06 | sepski | greycat, lol |
| 18:44.17 | greycat | asg: or to test a configuration change |
| 18:44.22 | sepski | bimmerd00d, you pay redhat for support, can't you call them ? |
| 18:44.30 | asg | greycat: of course |
| 18:44.35 | bimmerd00d | sepski: need to view exactly what's on the current desktop on the server that i can't physically gain access to at the moment |
| 18:44.53 | sepski | asg, or when the new kernel 2.6 with it's module protection prevents you from rmmod a module |
| 18:45.11 | greycat | ALL YOUR MODULE ARE BELONG TO US !! |
| 18:45.12 | bimmerd00d | sepski: i dont know, i know a tad about linux, not enough to do anythign |
| 18:45.33 | sepski | bimmerd00d, well since im in a good mood, you can use x11vnc for that. (it's the only vnc server that can do exactly that) and install debian the next time. |
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| 18:45.42 | asg | sepski: *nod* |
| 18:45.42 | vorsprung | bimmerd00d, get a source package for vnc from the vnc website, read all the docs, compile it and install it |
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| 18:46.02 | bimmerd00d | sepski: i learned a bit on VNC, this is for work, i didn't put together the box that redhat is on unfortunately |
| 18:46.11 | stew | vorsprung: uhh vnc is apt-gettable |
| 18:46.15 | bimmerd00d | DOH, on debian, not vnc |
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| 18:46.28 | vorsprung | stew, yeah but that's what I'd do for redhat |
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| 18:46.36 | vorsprung | stew, that was the question :) |
| 18:46.43 | stew | vorsprung: huh? |
| 18:46.58 | stew | bimmerd00d: the rfb server will also connect to :0 |
| 18:46.59 | bimmerd00d | vorsprung: i am unfortunately stuck on a redhat box, can't use apt-get on it |
| 18:47.01 | oes | Hello people. I need some help with two issues.. I have Kernel version 2.4.27-2-386 and need the source files. I need ipw2200 drivers. What is the quickest way to obtain these ? |
| 18:47.05 | stew | oh |
| 18:47.12 | stew | bimmerd00d: what are you doing in here? |
| 18:47.16 | greycat | oes: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 18:47.20 | greycat | YOU DO NOT WANT KERNEL SOURCE! |
| 18:47.22 | vorsprung | stew, there are some crazy people about :) |
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| 18:47.33 | weilawei | greycat, we ALL want kernel source. |
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| 18:47.43 | oes | greycat: if you say so. I was told I needed the kernel source to use the ipw2200 drivers |
| 18:47.44 | bimmerd00d | stew: redhat guys are useless, and i've had great luck when using debian in here, figured i'd ask for some help since this was a general question |
| 18:47.48 | greycat | !ipw2200 |
| 18:47.49 | dpkg | hmm... ipw2200 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2200-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net. |
| 18:47.53 | sepski | oes, on other distroes yes, not on debian |
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| 18:48.00 | stew | bimmerd00d: they are useless? then why do you pay them so much money? |
| 18:48.17 | bimmerd00d | stew: wasn't my call, the server was built before i started here. |
| 18:48.18 | _dubbaluga_ | sepski, i saw many "arp who has" requests - i have one bridge on two linux boxes each and no stp enabled - may that cause the troubles? |
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| 18:48.32 | sepski | bimmerd00d, what server runs X anyway |
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| 18:48.51 | oes | I have e clean install of the latest stable release, Do I have module assistant ? |
| 18:48.59 | greycat | sepski: a server for diskless X stations |
| 18:49.08 | asg | oes: apt-cache policy module-assistant (check for yourself) |
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| 18:49.10 | bimmerd00d | sepski: the one that i didn't put together. haha, it's dumb, they are starting X, then opening multiple terminals. |
| 18:49.16 | sepski | _dubbaluga_, was the mac/ip in any way related to the ip in the lease file |
| 18:49.19 | greycat | or it least it runs xdm, even if it may lack a local display |
| 18:49.33 | fken | So everyone thank for eveything good day/afternoon/night |
| 18:49.35 | greycat | bimmerd00d: that's how everyone uses X. |
| 18:49.38 | bimmerd00d | sepski: i'm trying to figure out how to bypass X and run multiple terminals outside of X, remotely. Easy as hell when im there |
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| 18:49.50 | sepski | bimmerd00d, just ssh into it multiple times |
| 18:49.53 | sepski | or run screen |
| 18:49.55 | asg | bimmerd00d: or use screen |
| 18:50.00 | _dubbaluga_ | sepski, yes, it was |
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| 18:50.22 | bimmerd00d | sepski: that's not a problem, however the apps that run in the terminal have to be running all the time, and when i close the ssh session the apps are killed |
| 18:50.31 | greycat | bimmerd00d: screen!!!! |
| 18:50.35 | greycat | !screen++ |
| 18:50.37 | greycat | !praise screen |
| 18:50.42 | asg | !hug screen |
| 18:50.46 | bimmerd00d | greycat: that's what everyone said, i dont know how to use screen! |
| 18:50.49 | bimmerd00d | <---n00b |
| 18:50.51 | oes | asg: nope, I do not have module assistant installed. how can I get it ? |
| 18:50.51 | sepski | bimmerd00d, definitifly screen |
| 18:50.54 | asg | bimmerd00d: then read the manpage |
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| 18:50.57 | sepski | bimmerd00d, man screen |
| 18:51.00 | bimmerd00d | man time. |
| 18:51.01 | asg | oes: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 18:51.06 | oes | thanks a lot |
| 18:51.07 | greycat | bimmerd00d: type "screen". Then run your application. Then kill the network connection. Then ssh back in. Then run "screen -x". |
| 18:51.12 | sepski | oes if youd read the factoid it wqould tell you |
| 18:51.13 | asg | bimmerd00d: man date is probably what you are after |
| 18:51.26 | greycat | asg: I only date women |
| 18:51.33 | sepski | oes okay perhaps not, install with apt-get install module-assistant |
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| 18:51.39 | asg | greycat: hehe |
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| 18:51.54 | epilido_ | all of the kde aps are broken konqueror works but I can do no configuration and all of the kde menus are gone. any suggestions |
| 18:52.02 | EdibleText | greycat, does mrs. greycat know about this? |
| 18:52.08 | greycat | she's the woman. |
| 18:52.13 | sepski | oes, and you usualy dont need to install the source manualy, m-a prepate, m-a a-i modulename is usualy enoughf |
| 18:52.34 | weilawei | epilido, run enlightenment |
| 18:52.34 | r3v | epilido_: which version of kdelibs-data do you have? |
| 18:52.55 | greycat | sepski: if the #ipw2200 factoid is confusing or misleading, fix it please |
| 18:53.01 | greycat | sepski: I have no experience with wireless |
| 18:53.18 | epilido_ | how do I fide out version info? |
| 18:53.22 | greycat | !version |
| 18:53.22 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. |
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| 18:54.31 | bimmerd00d | i ran screen, and now i can't type anything, it's just frozen so it seems |
| 18:54.36 | oes | This brings me to question numero 3: how do I use module assistant to build the ipw2200 package ? |
| 18:54.43 | greycat | !ipw2200 |
| 18:54.43 | dpkg | i guess ipw2200 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2200-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net. |
| 18:54.45 | epilido_ | kdelibs-data 3.4.2-1 |
| 18:55.01 | r3v | oes: module-assistant auto-install ipw2200 |
| 18:55.26 | r3v | epilido_: dpkg -i older version of that from cache |
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| 18:55.36 | epilido_ | this occurd on afresh install after apt get upgrade |
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| 18:55.58 | r3v | epilido_: preferably the same as your kdelib-bin |
| 18:56.00 | greycat | you used apt-get upgrade on *SID*?? |
| 18:56.10 | w3asel | alguien habla espaņol? |
| 18:56.19 | r3v | epilido_: a "fresh" install on sid. of course it's broke :) |
| 18:56.19 | stew | dpkg: ipw2200 =~ s#ipw2200-source', build with module-assistant.#ipw2200-source module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw2200'# |
| 18:56.20 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 18:56.23 | greycat | !es |
| 18:56.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:56.46 | epilido_ | hmm I thought that the disk installed sarge.... |
| 18:56.55 | epilido_ | then i did upgrade |
| 18:57.00 | w3asel | thanks!!!!! dpkg |
| 18:57.00 | greycat | stew: thanks |
| 18:57.21 | r3v | epilido_: there's no way you have 3.4.x kde stuff on anything but sid |
| 18:57.37 | greycat | and there's no way apt-get upgrade sans the "dist-" part would give him a functional sid box. |
| 18:57.37 | epilido_ | right i did an upgrade |
| 18:57.37 | oes | When I try 'apt-get install ipw2200-source' I get this error message: E: Couldn't find package ipw2200-source |
| 18:57.44 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 18:57.44 | dpkg | methinks sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:57.53 | greycat | oes: add non-free and contrib probably. |
| 18:58.07 | stew | !info ipw2200-source |
| 18:58.09 | dpkg | ipw2200-source: (Source for the ipw2200 driver), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 112 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 18:58.09 | oes | greycat: where should I add that ? |
| 18:58.22 | asg | !non-free |
| 18:58.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.htm |
| 18:58.27 | greycat | change "main" to "main contrib" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:58.34 | sepski | greycat, i only added to the factoid, dont want to erase things |
| 18:58.38 | stew | dpkg: ipw2200 =~ s#install.#install. you will need contrib sources ask me about <contrib># |
| 18:58.38 | dpkg | stew: that's too long |
| 18:58.47 | sepski | greycat, that line worked for me atlest (sarge) |
| 18:58.57 | stew | i'm going to fix up the factoid in /msg |
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| 19:00.30 | defcon8 | where is pan on debian? |
| 19:00.38 | asg | defcon8: dpkg -L pan |
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| 19:00.44 | defcon8 | dpkg -L pan |
| 19:00.45 | dpkg | No packages found matching pan |
| 19:00.49 | defcon8 | no package found |
| 19:00.53 | defcon8 | i tried it on apt-cache aswell |
| 19:00.53 | asg | !info pan |
| 19:00.57 | defcon8 | how can pan not be found? |
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| 19:01.00 | defcon8 | !info pan |
| 19:01.01 | epilido_ | h |
| 19:01.02 | dpkg | pan: (A Newsreader based on GTK2, which looks like Forte Agent), section news, is optional. Version: 0.14.2.91-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1188 kB, Installed size: 3728 kB |
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| 19:01.26 | sepski | stew, when you m-a a-i, m-a automaticaly downloads the source for you, you shoudnt need to install the source manualy first. |
| 19:01.30 | defcon8 | debian:/home/defcon8/knzb/knzb# apt-get install pan |
| 19:01.31 | defcon8 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 19:01.31 | defcon8 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 19:01.31 | defcon8 | Package pan is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:01.31 | defcon8 | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 19:01.31 | defcon8 | is only available from another source |
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| 19:01.32 | asg | defcon8: maybe your parents have Debian-Net Nanny and don't want you using Usenet for Warez and Pr0n. |
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| 19:01.41 | defcon8 | sorry |
| 19:01.48 | defcon8 | can anyone help then_? |
| 19:01.50 | asg | defcon8: what debian version |
| 19:01.54 | defcon8 | etch |
| 19:01.58 | weilawei | asg defcon8: maybe your parents have Debian-Net Nanny and don't want you using Usenet for Warez and Pr0n. |
| 19:01.58 | weilawei | * defcon8 (i=defcon8@unaffiliated/defcon8) has joined #debian |
| 19:02.09 | defcon8 | no. my parents do not have net nanny |
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| 19:02.22 | asg | defcon8: then wait for etch un-screw itself |
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| 19:02.27 | defcon8 | damn :| |
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| 19:02.28 | weilawei | etch is screwed? |
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| 19:02.44 | asg | defcon8: if you haven't recently, apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
| 19:02.49 | defcon8 | ok asg |
| 19:03.01 | defcon8 | doing so now |
| 19:03.34 | asg | weilawei: who knows, it has the potential to be screwed from time to time. This is likely PEBCAK |
| 19:03.37 | sepski | defcon8, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=pan |
| 19:03.51 | oes | Am trying to use module assistant to install the ipw2200 drivers. I get this error message: 'Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use' What should I do ? |
| 19:04.16 | sepski | oes from m-a prepare ? |
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| 19:04.23 | oes | m-a prepare ? |
| 19:04.25 | weilawei | asg, actually my system is screwed at the moment because i mixed and matched :) someday everything will be far enough updated to unscrew it, but for now, i rely on a mix of tarballed sources, deb packages from etch, and deb packages from sid |
| 19:04.32 | asg | !bobbitt |
| 19:04.33 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 19:04.34 | weilawei | im sure theres something from experimental as well |
| 19:04.39 | weilawei | asg, i know that. |
| 19:04.43 | weilawei | no need to say it every time |
| 19:04.50 | sepski | oes when you type m-a prepare to prepare for using module-assistant, is that when you get the error |
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| 19:04.56 | asg | weilawei: we can't help it, it's a brainstem function. |
| 19:05.06 | weilawei | asg, yes but I made it clear i knew what was going on. |
| 19:05.07 | Form | are the libperl5.8 dependencies in sarge broken or something? |
| 19:05.19 | weilawei | asg, think before you blab is a good thing to keep in mind. |
| 19:05.23 | oes | sepski: no. Its when I try module-assistant auto install ipw2200 |
| 19:05.39 | sepski | oes, so you havent actualy prepared m-a yet ? |
| 19:05.42 | asg | weilawei: it was already in the keyboard queue before I read it. |
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| 19:05.55 | oes | sepski: It seems I dont have :( |
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| 19:06.12 | sepski | oes m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw2200 && less /usr/share/doc/ipw2200-modules-$(uname -r)/README.firmware |
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| 19:06.23 | albo_ | can fastCGI just work if i install libfcgi0 ? |
| 19:06.30 | kbrooks | a-i? |
| 19:06.33 | greycat | kbrooks: man a-i |
| 19:06.42 | greycat | err, man m-a |
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| 19:06.43 | kbrooks | where a-i stands for? |
| 19:06.47 | sepski | kbrooks, a-i is m-a built in short for auto install |
| 19:06.48 | defcon8 | how fucking stupid not to have pan |
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| 19:06.54 | kbrooks | ah |
| 19:06.58 | defcon8 | i want my pan |
| 19:07.11 | sepski | defcon8, be assured nothing in debian gets removed without vaild resons |
| 19:07.13 | greycat | defcon8: so install it and shut up! |
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| 19:07.23 | asg | greycat: it isn't in etch |
| 19:07.27 | sepski | defcon8, install from source and quit wussing |
| 19:07.28 | greycat | backport it from sid |
| 19:07.30 | greycat | !simple sid backport |
| 19:07.30 | dpkg | methinks simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 19:07.38 | defcon8 | green_earz, you hurt me :'( |
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| 19:07.54 | kbrooks | greycat, is m-i debian specific |
| 19:07.59 | greycat | what the fuck... it's in SARGE! |
| 19:08.03 | sepski | kbrooks, what is m-i ? |
| 19:08.04 | greycat | instal the stable version you wuss! |
| 19:08.12 | kbrooks | m-a* |
| 19:08.14 | greycat | sepski: man m-a |
| 19:08.17 | sepski | kbrooks, think so |
| 19:08.17 | defcon8 | i mean greycat |
| 19:08.32 | greycat | defcon8: it's in SARGE! install the stable version you wuss! |
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| 19:08.43 | defcon8 | naah i like etch |
| 19:09.05 | sepski | defcon8, the pan package from sarge... for crying out load |
| 19:09.12 | kbrooks | loud* |
| 19:09.13 | epilido_ | thanks bbltr |
| 19:09.27 | sepski | kbrooks, correct |
| 19:09.40 | defcon8 | sepski, i heard it is naughty to install pacakges from other versions of debian |
| 19:10.06 | greycat | defcon8: you're allowed to install stable packages on unstable or testing. you're NOT allowed to install testing or unstbale packages on stable, or unstable on anything but unstable. |
| 19:10.27 | defcon8 | ok how do i install stable pan on etch? |
| 19:10.44 | skate | rtfm |
| 19:10.44 | kbrooks | greycat, why are you allowed to install stable packages on unstable or testing? |
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| 19:10.58 | skate | add stable to sources.list and install it |
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| 19:10.58 | defcon8 | just give me something to message dpkg at least? |
| 19:11.02 | asg | kbrooks: because if it breaks, that's what you get for using testing or unstable. |
| 19:11.04 | defcon8 | ahh ok |
| 19:11.04 | oes | greycat: after the prepare command, should I then try to use the Auto Install againg ? |
| 19:11.05 | lord_rob | is etch much different from sarge already ? |
| 19:11.09 | defcon8 | never mind. ill get it myself |
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| 19:11.17 | stew | !ipw2200 |
| 19:11.17 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-source-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200 |
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| 19:11.55 | FlopsyPete | on any system I setup with Sarge or Testing, if I, as a GNOME desktop user, cancel a print job, the print queue dialog hangs. does everyone else see this |
| 19:12.03 | FlopsyPete | ? |
| 19:12.19 | weilawei | FlopsyPete, Mine don't cancel so I have to clear the print queue by hand |
| 19:12.22 | weilawei | But it doesn't hang |
| 19:12.40 | brian__ | sepski: just told /etc/modutils/aliases to stop supporting ipv6 and i took ipv6 info out of /etc/hosts (and rebooted) but i'm still having the same problems.. :/ |
| 19:12.41 | FlopsyPete | ok |
| 19:12.52 | btsdev | sepski: that was me |
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| 19:13.09 | sepski | btsdev, lsmod (ipv6 still there) ? |
| 19:13.49 | rutski89 | Only half of my pics have previews when viewed in Knoq, how do i fix this? |
| 19:13.53 | FlopsyPete | weilawei: is there a log file that might have info about this? I've looked in cups/error_log and there's nothing (admittedly I haven't checked DBTS recently but there wasnt' a bug on it before Sarge released) |
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| 19:14.01 | btsdev | sepski: nope. |
| 19:14.10 | sepski | FlopsyPete, how abotu the cups webpage ? |
| 19:14.43 | weilawei | FlopsyPete, Not a clue.. I don't know much about cups. I just knew it wouldn't cancel so I cleared the spooler dir |
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| 19:14.48 | FlopsyPete | sepski: sepski: for what? |
| 19:15.01 | sepski | FlopsyPete, looking at the print que |
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| 19:15.10 | sepski | FlopsyPete, errors on your printers |
| 19:15.15 | sepski | FlopsyPete, that sort of things |
| 19:16.00 | FlopsyPete | sepski: I have it on any system I setup, whether the printer is on or off or broken - on this system in front of me the printers off |
| 19:16.14 | weilawei | something's funky.. i definitely deselected OSS in my kernel config and yet it sits there building all the OSS modules |
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| 19:16.38 | stew | weilawei: are you seeing alsa's oss emulation maybe? |
| 19:17.03 | sepski | FlopsyPete, if you try cancelig the print from the webpage, you would atlest learn if it was the gnome print panel or cups's fault |
| 19:17.24 | weilawei | stew, it says sound/core/oss/blah.o |
| 19:17.28 | FlopsyPete | sepski: oh yeah, most definately its GNOME as it always works from the CUPS web page |
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| 19:18.10 | sepski | FlopsyPete, haven't tried that then im afraid |
| 19:18.19 | FlopsyPete | sepski: ok, thanks anyway |
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| 19:18.58 | usn | hi all |
| 19:20.08 | sepski | evening |
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| 19:20.08 | btsdev | sepski: i don't get it -- all windows machines in my house get super-fast dns lookups :/ |
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| 19:20.31 | nvz | I just pulled out an old cdrom to use to install debian and it had a Windows 95 Companion cd in it.. whatever the hell that is |
| 19:21.05 | asg | nvz: bonus extras you find out you need to buy after all. |
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| 19:22.16 | nvz | oh boy. I bet my debian system will be comlete now :P |
| 19:22.16 | bobbyg | !ipw2200 |
| 19:22.16 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-source-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200 |
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| 19:22.31 | jcuk | god i need a new mouse :( |
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| 19:22.44 | asg | nvz: think of all the neat backgrounds you will be able to decorate you desktop with! |
| 19:22.51 | asg | s/you d/your d/ |
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| 19:23.11 | asg | jcuk: eschew the mouse; use ion3 as your window manager. |
| 19:24.47 | gusbee | aptnewbie question: I just installed phppgadmin but have no idea where it put itself.. I have my web root in a non-default place |
| 19:24.56 | asg | gusbee: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 19:25.10 | stew | gusbee: and read /usr/share/doc/pkgname/* |
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| 19:25.50 | lord_rob | are proprietary radeon drivers from ati better than those integrated in xorg ? I mean for display speed and/or 3d acceleration ? |
| 19:25.55 | gusbee | k thanks! Just what I was looking for |
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| 19:26.23 | weilawei | lord_rob, proprietary drivers (sadly) tend to run faster |
| 19:26.34 | weilawei | i dont know about ati, but the official nvidia drivers are much betetr |
| 19:26.49 | lord_rob | weilawei: I know (nvidia owner) |
| 19:26.51 | stew | the free ati drivers are much faster than the free nvidia drivers from what i understand |
| 19:27.01 | jcuk | er, how do i rename and delete files using the shell ? :) lol |
| 19:27.09 | asg | lord_rob: it's a tradeoff. They might be faster for some things but are not stable in many cases. |
| 19:27.15 | weilawei | jc-hppa_awy, man mv, man rm |
| 19:27.20 | asg | jcuk: man mv, man rm |
| 19:27.28 | weilawei | wh00ps |
| 19:27.28 | lord_rob | asg: you mean the proprietary drivers ? |
| 19:27.30 | jcuk | thought it was them 2, cheers :) |
| 19:27.39 | asg | lord_rob: yes, they tend to be less stable |
| 19:27.46 | lord_rob | hmmm |
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| 19:28.15 | asg | lord_rob: generally, they have some kernel integration that provides performance but can crash your machine if they fail. |
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| 19:29.22 | lord_rob | so to summarize, free ati drivers are much better than free nvidia drivers but for proprietary drivers it's sort of the contrary ... |
| 19:29.52 | asg | lord_rob: or, use the free drivers unless there is a reason you need something the non-free ones provide. |
| 19:30.06 | Souza10 | How could I get the user login into php when my user login running ncsa_auth from apache? |
| 19:30.22 | asg | Souza10: #apache |
| 19:30.28 | asg | Souza10: and #php |
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| 19:31.43 | lord_rob | asg: maybe the reason will be that free drivers won't support my video adapter (ATI Mobility Radeon X300) on a thinkpad r52 |
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| 19:33.19 | Mortalman | Is there an easy way to change text files from MS format to *n?x format ?? |
| 19:33.59 | Souza10 | Mortalman: try dos2unix program |
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| 19:34.14 | jcuk | if im in the UK will my ISO 3166 country code be UK or GB? |
| 19:34.29 | jcuk | 'keyboard layour' |
| 19:34.31 | jcuk | layout* |
| 19:34.39 | Mortalman | Souza10: What package is that a part of? |
| 19:34.59 | streuner | dpkg, dos2unix |
| 19:34.59 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 19:35.15 | Souza10 | Mortalman: I used to run it into UNIX |
| 19:35.37 | jcuk | if im in the UK what will my keyboard ISO3166 country code be? uk or gb? |
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| 19:36.13 | Souza10 | Mortalman: but easiest way is to run sed with comand indicated by dpkg |
| 19:36.25 | bobbyg | dpkg tells me I need to have Kernel Source packages installed to use the ipw2200 driver, but some of you said I dont need that when I am using Debian. who is right ? |
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| 19:37.21 | Mortalman | Souza10: Thanks, but how is that easier then dos2unix ? heh |
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| 19:37.59 | bobbyg | !ipw2200 |
| 19:38.00 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-source-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200 |
| 19:38.06 | jcuk | er, i have a 2 button PS/2 Ballmouse. what is my mouse port, /dev/psaux right? |
| 19:38.34 | Mortalman | bobbyg: If you need to compile a module for use in your kernel you will need the sources and headers.... period. |
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| 19:38.42 | foo | I am trying to get my orinoco gold card working, and I noticed that there is orinoco_cs, orinoco, hermes, ds, and pcmcia_core running in modules. How can I get orinoco_cs running ? I made my own kernel but couldn't get orinoco_cs .. only orinoco |
| 19:38.54 | Mortalman | jcuk: That's what I use. /dev/psaux |
| 19:39.01 | jcuk | thanks |
| 19:39.03 | fatal_ | jcuk: /dev/input/mice is a generic interface (ImPS/2) to all types of mice under 2.6-kernels. |
| 19:39.09 | bobbyg | Mortalman: some ppl said I dont need to compile the ipw2200 drivers. just install them |
| 19:39.21 | Souza10 | Mortalman: cat filename | sed 's/\r\n/\n/g' > file.output |
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| 19:40.27 | punsad_ | anyone use ecasound? I run it from cron, and specify the -t option to tell it how long to run.... the audio file is the desired length, but ecasound is still running in the background. How to make it automatically stop? |
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| 19:40.40 | Mortalman | bobbyg: "Some" modules can be installed to work with "some" kernels. This rarely works. You most likely will have to compile the module unless it was made specificly for you kernel. |
| 19:40.45 | albo_ | anyone do ruby on rails in debian |
| 19:40.50 | bobbyg | ok |
| 19:41.04 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 19:41.05 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 19:41.38 | Mortalman | albo_: I have no idea what that is. heh |
| 19:41.59 | punsad_ | albo_: what's the deal with ruby? why is it getting so much press these days? (e.g. slashdot) Do we really need it? |
| 19:42.25 | jcuk | grr, okay can someone help me here. Im getting a Fatal server error when trying to start the xserver saying 'no screens found' |
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| 19:42.32 | skate | ruby ruby rooooo! |
| 19:42.33 | mngrif | punsad_, did linus really need linux? |
| 19:42.47 | nvz | my friends intenet was shut off and ever since it came back on your DHCP lease doesnt renew automatically and you are offline until you renew it manually. I am not sure what to tell them. dhclient eth0 usually gets them back online |
| 19:42.48 | jcuk | (EE) Problem pasrding the config file and Error from xf86HandleConfigFile() |
| 19:42.50 | skate | jcuk. immediately after that, it tells you the filepath to the error log |
| 19:42.52 | skate | read it |
| 19:42.59 | jcuk | kk |
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| 19:43.02 | stew | punsad_: its a really nice little language that is very lacking in library support |
| 19:43.03 | punsad_ | good points, all |
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| 19:43.35 | foo | If I want to delete a kernel - how could I get rid of it? Remove /usr/src and /lib/modules .. and remove the entry from grub - what else? On debian sarge, hmm |
| 19:43.40 | stew | punsad_: i'm sticking to python for my personal projects becuase it has better library support and they've added some of the nice functions of ruby |
| 19:43.48 | skate | you fucked up your x config, and judging by what you were just asking, you need to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:43.54 | greycat | foo: dpkg --purge the_package_name |
| 19:44.22 | foo | greycat: ahhh, ok. I tried apt-get remove --purge, heh, thanks bash man ;) |
| 19:44.27 | albo_ | punsad_: im trying to see if we do ;-) |
| 19:44.46 | greycat | foo: that would also work |
| 19:44.59 | foo | greycat: hmm, that didn't. /me tries |
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| 19:45.48 | jcuk | i dont understand, it says the logfile located at /var/log/Xfree86.0.log is where ill find the error messages. But its empty |
| 19:46.00 | greycat | jcuk: is /var full? |
| 19:46.12 | jcuk | nope |
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| 19:46.20 | mngrif | jc-hppa_awy, startx &2> xerror.log |
| 19:46.21 | greycat | did you recently switch to xserver-xorg? |
| 19:46.34 | jcuk | no greycat |
| 19:47.10 | punsad_ | albo_: oddly.. I just asked a question about ecasound, which I think actually uses ruby. At least it includes some ruby stuff in the deb package |
| 19:47.20 | streuner | jcuk: what videocard do you have? |
| 19:47.44 | jcuk | Nvidia geforce 2 MX/MX 400 64Mb |
| 19:47.51 | albo_ | punsad_: python runs on cellphones. sucks that the rails trolls didnt find that language |
| 19:47.54 | mngrif | my gtk theme is causing xchat's text input box to be a standard box with grey background and xchat is coloring the text grey too.. hwo can I change this without changing xchat's colors? |
| 19:48.10 | mngrif | as in, i'd like this box to be blacka |
| 19:48.18 | punsad_ | albo_: cool |
| 19:48.25 | jcuk | Should i just reinstall Xfree86? |
| 19:48.28 | julien | Hello |
| 19:48.34 | mngrif | god you make a lot of mistakes when you can't see what you type.. |
| 19:48.41 | skate | jcuk. i told you, reconfigure it |
| 19:48.45 | julien | Anyone knows something about KDE loosing his menus in SID ? |
| 19:48.55 | greycat | let slip the menus of war!!! |
| 19:49.01 | jcuk | skate, ive tried reconfigureing it many times trying different things. get the same error each time |
| 19:49.02 | greycat | oh wait, you meant "losing" |
| 19:49.07 | streuner | julien: let me guess, unstable? |
| 19:49.28 | julien | yep :) |
| 19:49.29 | greycat | streuner: he did say "SID" |
| 19:49.35 | skate | jcuk. you can't "try different things" with xfree86, you need exact information about all of your hardware |
| 19:49.36 | streuner | oh |
| 19:49.39 | r3v | julien: yup |
| 19:49.47 | Mortalman | Anyone know why firefox won't download anything unless I right-click on it and "save target as" ?? This is a pain in the ass. |
| 19:49.48 | greycat | jethro: but your ports have flavors. |
| 19:49.51 | r3v | julien: you have the wrong version of kdelibs-data |
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| 19:50.02 | jethro | greycat: you lost me on that one |
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| 19:50.44 | greycat | pegasus:/usr/ports/editors/vim$ grep FLAVOR Makefile |
| 19:50.49 | greycat | FLAVORS= huge gtk gtk2 athena motif no_x11 perl python ruby |
| 19:50.51 | mngrif | isn't there some way i can force the colors of a specific app's widget with .gtkrc or such like? |
| 19:50.53 | julien | thanks r3v, do you know if there is a fix somewhere ? My apt-cache shows only one version of kdelibs-data I can use |
| 19:51.23 | jcuk | skate, ive tried reconfigureing it many times trying different things. get the same error each time |
| 19:51.27 | jethro | greycat: I know what FLAVORS are but I don't get you :) |
| 19:51.34 | r3v | julien: dpkg -i your old version from /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 19:51.55 | greycat | jethro: not important. just some lame humor going from "flavor of portage" to "ports with flavors" |
| 19:51.56 | maj | does anyone know how to "convert" an existing setup to debian ?? |
| 19:51.57 | ex | does anyone else have issues with firefox (from sid or even the downloadable version from mozilla.org) on debian unstable? Mine is crashing quite frequently in sid |
| 19:52.05 | jethro | greycat: aight, sorry then :p |
| 19:52.10 | skate | yay thunder |
| 19:52.13 | jcuk | how do i reconfigure xfree86 from the beginning so that i can get it to auto detect my devices? |
| 19:52.18 | Morti | I'm having issues booting into Windows Server 2003 from grub. I get "Error 12: Invalid device requested". Anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:52.18 | greycat | !drxx |
| 19:52.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:52.27 | mops | does openssl dhparam -rand /dev/urandom -text 4096 generates public and private key pair please? |
| 19:52.40 | greycat | jcuk: you don't need it to autodetect if you already know what your video card is |
| 19:52.56 | r3v | ex: mine works fine in sid |
| 19:53.01 | greycat | mops: we don't know. did it? |
| 19:53.04 | jcuk | its asking for pci bus identifiers though |
| 19:53.10 | greycat | jcuk: hit enter |
| 19:53.19 | mops | greycat: it's running now :) |
| 19:53.31 | maj | does anyone know how to "convert" an existing setup to debian ?? |
| 19:53.40 | ex | r3v, hm... I can't figure out what the issue is. It works for seemingly random amounts of time and then just closes on me and sends a crash report. |
| 19:53.40 | jcuk | i usually do, lemme give it another go. i replaced the xfree86config-4 with the original configuration file.. |
| 19:53.43 | julien | r3v: just done it [kdelibs-data (3.4.2-1)], but it's probably not the old version (I see 3.4), is it? |
| 19:53.45 | maj | if so please mesg me |
| 19:53.47 | streuner | maj: not debian? |
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| 19:54.08 | r3v | julien: you need 3.3.? |
| 19:54.08 | skate | xfree86config-4? |
| 19:54.16 | maj | using DSL now deb BASED |
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| 19:54.26 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 19:54.27 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 19:54.32 | jcuk | sorry, XF86Config-4 |
| 19:54.39 | streuner | dpkg, d-i maj |
| 19:54.40 | dpkg | maj, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:54.51 | greycat | back up your /home and install. |
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| 19:55.05 | r3v | ex: plugins extensions themes... could be anything you have done |
| 19:55.12 | maj | tried net-inst disk no good :( |
| 19:55.24 | ex | r3v, I've created a new user with a blank home, blank install and it still crashes |
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| 19:55.52 | streuner | maj: /msg dpkg di |
| 19:55.57 | greycat | ex: remove your flash plugin, then if it still crashes, remove your java plugin |
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| 19:56.20 | greycat | ex: have fun reading about C++ ABI |
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| 19:56.26 | ex | green_earz, I already have. |
| 19:56.29 | greycat | !tell ex about msg |
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| 19:56.46 | [Elad] | hello all |
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| 19:56.50 | [Elad] | http://pastebin.com/345333 someone know what is the problem here please? |
| 19:56.51 | r3v | ex: you have mplayer plugin or flash plugin? |
| 19:56.55 | ex | greycat, sorry dude habit from a different messenger |
| 19:57.04 | foo | Hmm, Unless you used the optional flag in lilo, |
| 19:57.04 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.05 | ex | r3v, no, neither of those plugins. |
| 19:57.07 | maj | have a seperate 49 gb partition i can use |
| 19:57.08 | foo | I was removing a kernel and got that. |
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| 19:57.12 | jcuk | greycat, i just reconfigured. getting the same error, no screens found. Also, Problem parsing the config file and Error from xf86HandleConfigFile() |
| 19:57.12 | ex | r3v, totally blank install |
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| 19:57.15 | foo | debian has grub .. what can I do in grub to fix that? |
| 19:57.19 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 19:57.23 | greycat | foo: nothing required. |
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| 19:57.28 | ArchitectSinan | i need to install PHP-CLI on my Debian system. And i didn't install it from src. i installed from a .deb package. And now i need to install PHP-CLI thing. And php.net documentations says i need to run "./configure" with --enable-cli option. and i stucked :( |
| 19:57.29 | foo | greycat: oh, ok. Thanks |
| 19:57.30 | r3v | ex: no idea... mine works :-P |
| 19:57.30 | roo9 | f~ArchitectSinan: hi |
| 19:57.33 | greycat | foo: as long as grub can find your existing kernel, it's ok |
| 19:57.36 | ex | thanks anyway |
| 19:57.41 | ArchitectSinan | roo9:hi |
| 19:57.42 | foo | greycat: ok |
| 19:58.01 | [Elad] | how can I ask the bot? |
| 19:58.02 | [Elad] | !help |
| 19:58.03 | ArchitectSinan | i heard there's a package name called "php4-cli" but i have php5 |
| 19:58.07 | drag8472 | hi .. i am trying to install debian remote on a server using debootstrap .. i did this often before and never had problems but this time when i chroot into the new setup and try to run base-config i always get a terminated only .. whats wrong ? |
| 19:58.14 | greycat | !pal ArchitectSinan |
| 19:58.36 | streuner | maj: /msg dpkg debootstrap workaround |
| 19:58.44 | [Elad] | !help "packages have been kept back" |
| 19:58.53 | greycat | !kept back |
| 19:58.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for you.. |
| 19:59.00 | [Elad] | !dpkg packages have been kept back |
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| 19:59.05 | ArchitectSinan | greycat: i know "dotteb" packages, i installed PHP5 from their sources. |
| 19:59.09 | [Elad] | :S |
| 19:59.10 | Caelum | ArchitectSinan: do apt-get source whatever and change the rules file to have the option you want |
| 19:59.13 | [Elad] | someone please? |
| 19:59.17 | greycat | ArchitectSinan: and you expect us to clean up the mess you made? hah! |
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| 19:59.19 | ArchitectSinan | greycat: but now i need an "addon" package for php5 |
| 19:59.29 | foo | greycat: ok. I have kernel source for 2.6.8 and 2.6.11 ... they both have orinoco_cs.c , but I can't get the orinoco_cs module in the kernel after it's already been built. Any tips on how to do this? |
| 19:59.33 | ArchitectSinan | greycat: mess ? |
| 19:59.35 | greycat | !find php5 sid |
| 19:59.37 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'php5' (15 of 21): libapache-mod-php5 ;; libapache2-mod-php5 ;; php5 ;; php5-cgi ;; php5-cli ;; php5-common ;; php5-curl ;; php5-dev ;; php5-gd ;; php5-imap ;; php5-ldap ;; php5-mhash ;; php5-mysql ;; php5-odbc ;; php5-pgsql. |
| 19:59.37 | ArchitectSinan | greycat: did i ? |
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| 19:59.53 | greycat | ArchitectSinan: see above. |
| 19:59.54 | jcuk | er, okay i need an original copy of the XF86Config for debian, i think i accidently replaced it with the original for xf86 |
| 20:00.05 | jcuk | the debian one is modified :P |
| 20:00.07 | greycat | jcuk: there is no "original". it's generated by debconf post-installation. |
| 20:00.14 | roo9 | f~ArchitectSinan: there does seem to be a php5-cli |
| 20:00.19 | skate | dude, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and that file gets created |
| 20:00.21 | ArchitectSinan | greycat: thx mate |
| 20:00.30 | greycat | roo9: but only if he used Debian packages. he didn't. he used unofficial ones. |
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| 20:00.40 | nvz | My friend uses debian sarge on cable connection directly to modem. they are having issues where they loose their connection frequently doesnt work. doing dhclient eth0 or resetting the modem fixes it. seems as though its not automatically renewing the lease anymore |
| 20:00.53 | ArchitectSinan | greycat: i think i should check my /etc/apt/sources.list again |
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| 20:00.57 | brrrt | hello, please dont shout at me but by accident i deleted my /etc/ !! :(.... |
| 20:01.04 | greycat | brrrt: restore it from backups |
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| 20:01.16 | jcuk | skate, oh right :) |
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| 20:01.21 | streuner | he wouldn't ask then :-) |
| 20:01.25 | roo9 | f~ArchitectSinan: remove any forigen entries from your sources.list, apt-get update && apt-get install php5-cli |
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| 20:01.36 | greycat | roo9: he'd have to be on sid, too. |
| 20:01.42 | greycat | !find php5 etch |
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| 20:01.56 | ArchitectSinan | roo9: i only got my CDs in my sources.list |
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| 20:02.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'php5' (2 of 3): (/usr/share/doc/libphp-adodb/examples/test-php5.php) in web/libphp-adodb ;; (/usr/share/doc/yada-doc/examples/{php5-mysqli.packages.gz|php5.packages.gz|php5.php5-module.packages.gz|...}) in devel/yada-doc. |
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| 20:02.10 | greycat | etch doesn't even have php5 yet. |
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| 20:02.15 | spiekey | hello! |
| 20:02.19 | brrrt | greycat: i already restored passwd and shadow from /var/backup but i am not sure what to do with the other files :( |
| 20:02.22 | black13 | i am interested in talking to anyone who has made a bootable cd |
| 20:02.24 | foo | greycat: Any ideas? |
| 20:02.27 | greycat | brrrt: from the backups you made. |
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| 20:02.31 | brrrt | oh |
| 20:02.32 | brrrt | k |
| 20:02.33 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 20:02.34 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 rabid badgers. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 20:02.41 | brrrt | there are no backups |
| 20:02.43 | skate | haha |
| 20:02.47 | streuner | brrrt: if you haven't just reinstall |
| 20:02.53 | spiekey | is it possible to set a password on a apt server? Because i dont want other ppl to use it due to my small bandwith |
| 20:02.53 | roo9 | f~ArchitectSinan: the only other option is to use backports.org and then backport the few needed packages to build php5 on woody. you can then build php5+cli |
| 20:02.54 | brrrt | okay |
| 20:02.56 | black13 | !any ideas |
| 20:02.56 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of rutabagas, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of starving platypuses. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 20:02.57 | greycat | now would be a good time to back up /home. |
| 20:02.58 | streuner | there is no other way |
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| 20:03.19 | foo | greycat: ok. I have kernel source for 2.6.8 and 2.6.11 ... they both have orinoco_cs.c , but I can't get the orinoco_cs module in the kernel after it's already been built. Any ideas on how to do this? |
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| 20:03.29 | maj | trying something now me update on progress |
| 20:03.29 | akusarujin | quick question, is there anything i can do about my manpages being slightly jumbled? i.e. seeing random characters around stuff like: "ÃĒ-maxdepth 0ÃĒ" |
| 20:03.34 | ArchitectSinan | roo9: thx so much :) |
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| 20:03.47 | black13 | foo are you trying to get wireless working? |
| 20:03.48 | ArchitectSinan | roo0: i give it a try on dotdeb alternatives |
| 20:03.51 | foo | black13: yes |
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| 20:04.04 | greycat | that's what I meant the first time. |
| 20:04.05 | black13 | foo look up the linuxant driver loader |
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| 20:04.15 | roo9 | foo: so, what shows up in, say, dmesg, or what happens that it "doesn't go in the kernel" |
| 20:04.16 | black13 | foo its not free but it works im using it now |
| 20:04.19 | foo | black13: it's a class orinoco gold card.. uses hermes |
| 20:04.19 | foo | hmm |
| 20:04.29 | werw | How can I allow to connect from other hosts to my X server? I just made xhost + but doesn?t works |
| 20:04.30 | foo | roo9: I mean, I can't modprobe i |
| 20:04.34 | greycat | werw: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 20:04.35 | black13 | foo linuxant uses the native win32 drivers |
| 20:04.49 | jcuk | grrr |
| 20:04.53 | foo | black13: You get kismet work? |
| 20:04.55 | roo9 | foo: what happens that makes you think it isn't mod'probing properly |
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| 20:05.05 | foo | roo9: Cannot find modules |
| 20:05.08 | dweazle | lo :) |
| 20:05.10 | maj | definately GOOD thing i'm on 4 Mb connection :) |
| 20:05.16 | jcuk | Unable to Locate config file (this is the error straight after doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86) |
| 20:05.21 | roo9 | foo: it can't find orinoco_cs or another module? |
| 20:05.27 | drag8472 | hi .. i am trying to install debian remote on a server using debootstrap .. i did this often before and never had problems but this time when i chroot into the new setup and try to run base-config i always get a terminated only .. whats wrong ? |
| 20:05.32 | drac | jcuk: You removed XF86Config-4? |
| 20:05.34 | greycat | jcuk: did it create a new /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file? |
| 20:05.44 | foo | roo9: Yeah, cannot find orinoco_cs |
| 20:05.45 | dweazle | does anyone know when debian will ship gnome 2.11.90/2.12 ? i can't find a roadmap anywhere |
| 20:05.45 | black13 | foo i tried all kind of things to work spent hours then i when an bought a cheepee off the shelf belkin and got the 20 dollar driver loader software bang it worked |
| 20:05.51 | drac | jcuk: touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, and /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 20:05.52 | greycat | jcuk: did you read the xmd5 stuff? |
| 20:05.58 | foo | black13: I've got a good card. I don't need that |
| 20:05.59 | jcuk | nope |
| 20:06.11 | jcuk | and no it didnt create the XF86Config-4 file |
| 20:06.15 | roo9 | foo: verify that your .config has orinoco_cs set to build as a module |
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| 20:06.24 | black13 | foo does it have windows drivers? |
| 20:06.26 | roo9 | foo: dmesg|grep -i orinoco |
| 20:06.31 | foo | roo9: I'm going to remake the kernel with unloading module support ... |
| 20:06.40 | foo | black13: Did you get your card working with kismet? |
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| 20:06.53 | foo | roo9: I am going to rebuild the kernel. Where is orinoco_cs ? |
| 20:07.08 | greycat | Am I officially getting old when I don't recognize (or see the need for) half the hardware shit you people are using? |
| 20:07.11 | brrrt | streuner: to reinstall can i run baseconfig? (i have remote shell still open) |
| 20:07.19 | black13 | foo i tried that crap |
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| 20:07.23 | roo9 | foo: why remove module support? you really should leave it in |
| 20:07.31 | roo9 | foo: just make sure that it's a module |
| 20:07.32 | streuner | brrrt: nope, from scratch |
| 20:07.34 | greycat | roo9: I suspect he means "support for rmmod" |
| 20:07.36 | jcuk | !xmd5 |
| 20:07.36 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 20:07.44 | greycat | roo9: believe it or not, 2.6 can't unload a loaded module by default. |
| 20:07.44 | black13 | foo sorry sometimes you have to pay for solutions |
| 20:07.57 | xerophyte | when i so ls -A /folders i get fodler names but it has slash / in the end how can i avoid that |
| 20:07.59 | roo9 | greycat: another of the many reasons I refuse to use 2.6 |
| 20:08.00 | foo | roo9: No, I want to include it. The default menu when I first made the kernel didn't have that support |
| 20:08.06 | jcuk | nice |
| 20:08.06 | greycat | xerophyte: #bash wasn't good enough? |
| 20:08.08 | jcuk | lol |
| 20:08.16 | greycat | xerophyte: use find or use parameter expansion |
| 20:08.18 | roo9 | foo: your sure you did make modules and make modules_install? |
| 20:08.18 | drac | jcuk: you can msg dpkg privately too.. |
| 20:08.19 | foo | black13: Don't be sorry, but I just don't need that for this card. I have gotten it working and other distros and what not |
| 20:08.33 | greycat | and what was wrong with */ anyway? why did you degrade back to ls -A? |
| 20:08.36 | madclicker | ahoy, is there a way to prevent "cd .." from home directory in proftpd? |
| 20:08.45 | foo | roo9: I am actually using make-kpkg ... should I do that? make modules and make modules_install? I could go either way, have done both |
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| 20:08.46 | black13 | foo sure sure ... for me it was nightmare finally i said phuck it |
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| 20:08.55 | greycat | madclicker: #proftpd didn't know? |
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| 20:09.05 | black13 | this has worked 95 percent ever since |
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| 20:09.21 | bryan | Hi, I'm having a bit of trouble with a dist-upgrade on sid. The new version of udev requires kernel >= 2.6.12, but I can't manipulate other packages using apt because of unmet dependencies against the new version of udev. Is there a way to ignore that dependency so I can try to get the new kernel in place? |
| 20:09.23 | greycat | black13: "My car only bursts into flames 5% of the time!" |
| 20:09.49 | madclicker | greycat: no one there |
| 20:09.56 | greycat | bryan: use an older udev or install a 2.6.12+ kernel |
| 20:10.04 | black13 | greycat its no my computer that has the problems its the lame ass wireless presance |
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| 20:10.16 | greycat | madclicker: www.proftpd.org then? /usr/share/doc/proftpd/ ? |
| 20:10.33 | black13 | greycat smartass :) |
| 20:10.42 | madclicker | grecat: roger |
| 20:10.53 | dasunt | Is there a way to run an application on the desktop (almost like wallpaper?) |
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| 20:11.02 | bryan | greycat: sure... but I'm having trouble using apt because it barfs on the old rev of udev... what's the best way of backing out the udev upgrade? |
| 20:11.04 | black13 | where was i oh bootable cd roms and 2.6 kernel |
| 20:11.09 | ice_1963 | is sid running kde 3.4 ???? |
| 20:11.10 | dasunt | Perhaps this is a WM-specific question. |
| 20:11.19 | greycat | and his SELF-BACKGROUNDING DAEMONS MUST DIE rant. |
| 20:11.19 | streuner | ice_1963: nope |
| 20:11.22 | r3v | ice_1963: not fully |
| 20:11.24 | dasunt | greycat: I'd like to ready your FTP must die rant. |
| 20:11.30 | r3v | ice_1963: some of the packages are there |
| 20:11.32 | ArchitectSinan | !find php5-cli |
| 20:11.33 | streuner | ice_1963: /list #debian-kde |
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| 20:11.37 | dpkg | php5-cli: (command-line interpreter for the php5 scripting language), section web, is optional. Version: 5.0.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1828 kB, Installed size: 3832 kB |
| 20:11.44 | greycat | ArchitectSinan: in sid. |
| 20:11.45 | ricky_clarkson | !br |
| 20:11.45 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:11.58 | ArchitectSinan | greycat: ok got it :) |
| 20:13.18 | geemark | i have a serious problem with my debian box - after an apt-get upgrade (unstable) vi/vim does not work anymore, and kdeinit fails to start - error: "vim: error while loading shared libraries: libkio.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 20:13.23 | stew | bryan: why not just install the 2.6.12 kernel? |
| 20:13.31 | greycat | !find libkio.so.4 sarge |
| 20:13.36 | cbr | is there some guide somewhere how to make a .dev file? |
| 20:13.39 | cbr | .deb* |
| 20:13.42 | greycat | cbr: /msg dpkg mg |
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| 20:13.52 | stew | bryan: if the older version of udev is not still on the mirrors you can get it from sdn: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 20:14.05 | greycat | !find libkio.so.4 sid |
| 20:14.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libkio.so.4' (2): (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libkio.so.4.2.0) in libdevel/kdelibs4c2-dbg ;; (/usr/lib/{libkio.so.4|libkio.so.4.2.0}) in libs/kdelibs4,libs/kdelibs4c2. |
| 20:14.26 | cy_ | oh |
| 20:14.31 | greycat | why would vim be using kde libs? |
| 20:14.38 | geemark | no idea |
| 20:14.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libkio.so.4' (1): (/usr/lib/{libkio.so.4|libkio.so.4.2.0}) in libs/kdelibs4. |
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| 20:14.58 | cy_ | is this "!find" function also availeable for local use somehow ? |
| 20:15.05 | greycat | cy_: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:15.08 | cy_ | local use* |
| 20:15.12 | stew | maybe the bots need to trigger a "check the bts" message on /i have.*problem.*(sid|unstable)/ :) |
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| 20:15.47 | greycat | stew: [io]n.*(sid|unstable) ;-) |
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| 20:15.56 | stew | geemark: have you checked the bts? |
| 20:15.58 | greycat | oh wait, that won't catching using. |
| 20:16.03 | geemark | how does the dpkg do that search? i have tried with apt-cache search and dpkg -S |
| 20:16.07 | geemark | stew: bts? |
| 20:16.12 | greycat | geemark: apt-file |
| 20:16.25 | stew | greycat: see then he would have gotten the bts response from the bot |
| 20:16.27 | jcuk | erm, okay i done md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum - and then pressed enter, now its just sitting with the cursor flashing as though its doing something.. |
| 20:16.29 | Caelum | greycat: that must smell kind of like sweaty goat nads |
| 20:16.35 | stew | geemark: /msg dpkg btssmite me |
| 20:17.09 | greycat | Caelum: just the *concept* of vim using *anything* that touches the C++ ABI is nauseating. |
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| 20:17.39 | jcuk | what does that md5sum cmd do? |
| 20:17.49 | greycat | griffon:~$ ldd $(which vim) | awk '{print $1}' | tr '\n' ' ' |
| 20:17.50 | greycat | libncurses.so.5 libgpm.so.1 libdl.so.2 libc.so.6 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 20:18.07 | greycat | jcuk: man md5sum |
| 20:18.23 | jcuk | i cant just now it seems to be doing something after that last command |
| 20:18.34 | greycat | open another tty |
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| 20:18.42 | Secret | Hi all... I know im new to this but how would i make a .tar.gz out of a folder? what is the command |
| 20:18.46 | greycat | !tar |
| 20:18.47 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 20:18.58 | jcuk | oh, how u do that? |
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| 20:19.39 | jcuk | how long does this md5sum process take? |
| 20:19.46 | Secret | thx greycat :) |
| 20:20.02 | greycat | jcuk: if you just typed "md5sum" by itself, forever. |
| 20:20.05 | streuner | jcuk: depends how fast your CPU is and how big the file itself |
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| 20:20.15 | maj | TRYING debboostrap thingy now |
| 20:20.28 | streuner | good luck |
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| 20:20.34 | maj | *debbootstrap |
| 20:20.41 | geemark | if I try a "apt-get install kde", i get a long list of packages that have "unmet dependencies"... e.g. "kde-core but it is not going to be installed" |
| 20:21.04 | Qiang_ | hi, is there a tools that let me run a command on multiple machines at the same time ? |
| 20:21.06 | greycat | welcome to sid! |
| 20:21.09 | jcuk | greycat: i did md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Xonfig-4.md5sum - |
| 20:21.25 | drac | jcuk: what's that - in end? |
| 20:21.32 | greycat | jcuk: the - means "open standard input too". it's waiting for you to type in the next file. |
| 20:21.32 | drac | jcuk: it takes millisecond |
| 20:21.50 | jcuk | so.. |
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| 20:22.05 | mischko | I need a program that will watch vsftpd.log and email sysadmin every time it is added to, say at 5 minute intervals. Any ideas? |
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| 20:22.24 | jcuk | i just put it in because it was in the quotation marks of the command that dpkg bot gave me |
| 20:22.28 | streuner | mischko: sounds like a cron job |
| 20:22.34 | mischko | yup |
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| 20:22.47 | jcuk | do i just put /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 here then? |
| 20:22.51 | skate | jcuk. you're telling me that reconfiguring xserver-xfree86 did not create a new XF68Config-4? |
| 20:22.55 | greycat | jcuk: you misread it. |
| 20:22.59 | skate | and why are you in /etc deleting files anyway |
| 20:22.59 | jcuk | yes skate |
| 20:23.22 | jcuk | im not, it just didnt change it. I hand edited it :P |
| 20:23.35 | skate | then where did your original file go? |
| 20:23.41 | maj | skate maybe he bored ?? |
| 20:23.50 | geemark | what does the "unmet dependencies" / "but it is not going to be installed" mean? |
| 20:24.06 | geemark | usually, it automatically selects all dependent packages!? |
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| 20:24.29 | jcuk | well when you said dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 would create a new one. i deleted it then ran the dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:24.45 | stew | geemark: in sid, sometimes the packages that they depend on don't yet exist |
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| 20:25.02 | stew | geemark: which might be the case here becuase of the abi change |
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| 20:25.39 | jcuk | hold on, lemme reboot |
| 20:25.52 | skate | jcuk. wait |
| 20:25.56 | skate | you have one other option |
| 20:26.02 | skate | run xf86config, as root |
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| 20:26.19 | skate | at the end, make _sure_ you save the file to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 20:26.24 | skate | then try and startx again |
| 20:27.38 | geemark | stew: "abi change"? - basically you're telling me, that the entire kde is not available from apt at the moment? ? |
| 20:27.50 | unixfool_ | Guerin, I tried! Its hard!! ;) |
| 20:27.54 | unixfool_ | Does anyone know a site with an activeX popup that asks to install Gator or some other annoying software? (I want to test something) |
| 20:28.09 | PerfDave | geemark: Welcome to Sid. |
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| 20:29.14 | ralf | unixfool_: test what? |
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| 20:29.36 | geemark | PerfDave: is there nothing i can do? |
| 20:30.00 | unixfool_ | ralf, that I block those popups correctly |
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| 20:30.31 | ralf | activex doesn't works under linux |
| 20:30.59 | stew | geemark: you can put the old version on hold |
| 20:31.00 | jcuk | shit how the hell am i supposed to know the hsync and refresh rates heh |
| 20:31.08 | unixfool_ | ralf, I can test it on windows |
| 20:31.09 | greycat | they're in the manual |
| 20:31.10 | jcuk | oh nvm |
| 20:31.17 | PerfDave | geemark: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:31.18 | greycat | or you can use read-edid but it's not always reliable |
| 20:31.29 | PerfDave | geemark: You can wait until it's fixed, consult the BTS, or not run Sid. |
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| 20:32.08 | r3v | geemark: I'd recommend not running Sid if you care that packages are not installable |
| 20:32.27 | greycat | I'd not recommend sid to anyone who relies on either kde or gnome |
| 20:32.29 | mikehammad | how do i turn off interactive prompts in dpkg? |
| 20:32.33 | greycat | they're too big and too frequently broken |
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| 20:32.43 | cbr | greycat: i got this: Source file is a bz2 but bzip2 or gzip not available at /usr/bin/dh_make line 409, <STDIN> line 2. |
| 20:32.54 | greycat | cbr: apt-get install bzip2 |
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| 20:33.09 | PerfDave | greycat: To be fair, I only had one KDE breakage in ~3 years of running it. |
| 20:33.19 | cbr | greycat: it's the latest version ofcourse.. |
| 20:33.19 | offray | I'm trying to Install Progeny Debian on a Hewlett-Packard dc7600 and it says that it doesnt recognize the hard disk. It is a serial data. Anybody has a pointer about where can I get a clue on that problem? |
| 20:33.31 | Bob332 | can someone tell me what to use as a terminal emulator, i need to connect to my access points serial interface |
| 20:33.34 | r3v | PerfDave: really? this is my 2nd breakage in 1 year |
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| 20:33.49 | greycat | Bob332: minicom |
| 20:34.03 | Bob332 | greycat, thanks, i knew it began with a m |
| 20:34.14 | aquarius | I'm just about to upgrade a woody box to sarge. However, apt-get dist-upgrade says that it's going to remove mysql-client and mysql-server. Why might that be? |
| 20:34.31 | PeterB | offray: #progeny ? |
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| 20:34.47 | cbr | anybody experienced with dh_make? |
| 20:35.00 | offray | PeterB, Nobody is there |
| 20:35.04 | r3v | aquarius: dist-upgrade woody to sarge didn't go well for me |
| 20:35.09 | PeterB | offray: Nevermind then. |
| 20:35.23 | aquarius | r3w: what do you suggest as an alternative? :( |
| 20:35.39 | stew | aquarius: don't use apt-get /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 20:35.44 | r3v | aquarius: ended up apt-get upgrade, then apt-get installing a few that were left out, then upgrading again, etc |
| 20:35.50 | geemark | i guess there is no turning back from sid to something that actually works ? |
| 20:36.46 | rAz__ | anyone knows what does the E. mean in "33cl E." ? |
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| 20:36.55 | rAz__ | seen on a bottle |
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| 20:37.10 | aquarius | rAz__, it means "net amount". |
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| 20:37.13 | Schiz0 | Does anyone know of a good FTPd that supports Implicit SSL? |
| 20:37.25 | btsdev | what's the best dns cache program that you guys like? |
| 20:37.26 | rAz__ | a simple E means Net amount ? |
| 20:37.34 | rAz__ | exactly ? |
| 20:37.43 | aquarius | r3w: woody->sarge text just suggests that it may well not work! Is that all there is? :( |
| 20:37.48 | r3v | rAz__: i'd guess estimated |
| 20:37.59 | aquarius | rAz__, is it a lower-case stylised e? |
| 20:38.15 | rAz__ | i seen the both |
| 20:38.19 | rAz__ | e and E. |
| 20:38.44 | aquarius | yes, then, it means "net amount". Normally it applies to weight and means that it doesn't include the packaging. |
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| 20:38.56 | r3v | aquarius: i got it by doing apt-get upgrade (and it leaving lots behind), then apt-get installing something that seemed important, then upgrade again, ... (repeated like 20 times) |
| 20:39.04 | rAz__ | ah ok thank you all |
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| 20:41.17 | swbrown | I've set up a pretty standard apt preferences setup (stable=900, testing=400, unstable=300), and it works except for apt-get source or builddep. It always fetches from unstable regardless of if apt-get install would have taken from stable. Anyone have a clue what's happening? |
| 20:41.25 | r3v | aquarius: and i didn't loose anything |
| 20:41.41 | _tobias | hello, i have a usb printer wich is automaticalliy mounted on /dev/usb/lp0 when i turn it on. i cant pritn unless i chang the rights of this device to 777. the next time i turn it on i hav again no rights to print on this device. any chance to change this pemanently? |
| 20:42.10 | jcuk | FFS :( |
| 20:42.32 | aquarius | r3w: ok. cheers fo th epointers. Is a bit suboptimal that dist-upgrade doesn't work! :( |
| 20:42.46 | jcuk | now im getting Driver cant support depth 24, so i do reconfigure.. and it still shows the same error (after changing to 16) it says driver cant support depth 24 |
| 20:42.48 | b00v | hey, how do I put a space (' ') character in html ? |
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| 20:42.57 | skate | _tobias. what mount options are you using in /etc/fstab ? |
| 20:43.05 | Schiz0 | b00v- I believe it's %20 |
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| 20:43.30 | b00v | Schiz0, let me try |
| 20:43.34 | _tobias | skate: it is mounted by the hotplugging ability |
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| 20:43.50 | _tobias | skate: there are no entrys for the printer in the fstab |
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| 20:44.06 | skate | i'm not even sure if there is supposed to be |
| 20:44.10 | r3v | _tobias: can you add yourself to like a printing group or something that already has permissions on it? |
| 20:44.12 | skate | i don't even have a printer anymore =x |
| 20:44.26 | flipmcf | Solet`, with a 3.0 install, sshd is configured "PasswordAuthentication no" ootb :) Was an extra step to figure out why I couldn't remote ssh, but I do appreciate the secure install :) |
| 20:44.38 | _tobias | the printer is in the group lp. iadded myself already to the group |
| 20:44.39 | flipmcf | s/Solet/so ... / |
| 20:44.41 | swbrown | Btw, this is my actual preferences file: http://wiisard.org/~swbrown/new_html/preferences . If I do 'apt-get source gaim' it pulls it from unstable. apt-cache policy gaim shows the candidate being stable's, though, and apt-get install installs that one. |
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| 20:45.09 | _tobias | skate: but that is not the problem, the printer has no executive rights when it is mounted... |
| 20:45.37 | b00v | Schiz0, err, nope, doesnt look like |
| 20:45.47 | ex | 15 |
| 20:45.51 | Schiz0 | I don't know then..sorry |
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| 20:46.44 | jcuk | YESSS |
| 20:46.45 | r3v | b00v: you want ? |
| 20:46.47 | jcuk | FINALLY !!!! |
| 20:46.50 | jcuk | GODLIKE |
| 20:46.53 | b00v |   |
| 20:46.54 | jcuk | YEH :D |
| 20:46.58 | b00v | this seems to work |
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| 20:47.03 | b00v | r3v,   |
| 20:47.07 | ricky_clarkson | Can someone ban that deity? |
| 20:47.12 | _tobias | skate: i would think i have to change some rules in the hotplugging subsystem, but i dont know where to start |
| 20:47.18 | Schiz0 | Anyone know of a good FTPd that supports vitural users and whatnot, that also supports Implicit SSL? |
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| 20:47.30 | streuner | ricky_clarkson: you know !ops? :-P |
| 20:47.33 | skate | no idea mate, i have zero experience with usb printers |
| 20:47.34 | b00v | r3v, which is   |
| 20:47.42 | b00v | Schiz0, r3v thanks |
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| 20:47.49 | ricky_clarkson | streuner: I was joking, but yeah. |
| 20:47.50 | fatal_ | !vsftpd |
| 20:47.52 | dpkg | methinks vsftpd is a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ... |
| 20:48.11 | streuner | ricky_clarkson: that's even funny then :-)) |
| 20:48.17 | Bob332 | greycat, ever use minicom....im just trying to connect to serial port but cant seem to find the option or config in the man pages |
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| 20:48.44 | streuner | Bob332: greycat is gone. |
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| 20:48.58 | Schiz0 | fatal_- Thanks |
| 20:49.19 | flipmcf | ahhh... ty :) |
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| 20:49.29 | maj | ok one "problem" chrooted to the "install" dir for debbootstrap but no networking |
| 20:49.42 | drag8472 | i am trying to run base-config but it does terminate .. when i run strace on it i get write(2, "openpty failed\n", 15) = 15 any idea what i can do here ? |
| 20:49.54 | tuxit_ | Hi, after all my broken kde problems in sid, I uninstalled all kde. Now, I want to install it properly, but there are conflicts for kde-core, kdeadmin, ... Any idea how to install it properly ? Or should I move to gnome ? ;) |
| 20:50.35 | r3v | tuxit_: kde isn't really installable atm in sid |
| 20:50.51 | lord_rob | tuxit_: apt-get install kde-base/testing (...) |
| 20:50.53 | ice_1963 | use gnome |
| 20:50.57 | r3v | tuxit_: if you want you can try 3.4 kde from experimental :) |
| 20:51.00 | streuner | tuxit: have you asked #debian-kde yet? |
| 20:51.15 | maj | ok one "problem" chrooted to the "install" dir for debbootstrap but no networking any help ?? |
| 20:51.18 | drac | r3v: kde 3.4.2 is in unstable (no, i'm not saying anyone should use unstable) |
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| 20:51.29 | r3v | drac: no it's not |
| 20:51.34 | r3v | drac: it's only 1/2 there |
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| 20:51.45 | tuxit_ | streuner: yep, but not for this very question, and they kept answering about #323747 which is not directly linked with installing kde again |
| 20:51.48 | drac | r3v: ok |
| 20:52.05 | julien | and that's maybe why nothing works anymore :( |
| 20:52.11 | tuxit_ | r3v : actually, I would prefer a kde that works ;) |
| 20:52.15 | dgc | hey, has anyone had trouble with KDE losing all it's menus and kcontrol not working after a recent apt-get upgrade on sid? |
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| 20:52.16 | r3v | drac: it's still incoming. no idea when will get there |
| 20:52.25 | jcuk | weird |
| 20:52.36 | jcuk | wonder where all my gnome themese n stuff went heh |
| 20:52.37 | streuner | tuxit: unstable is a bitch nowadays, welcome to unstable ;-) |
| 20:52.50 | r3v | dgc: yup. install matching version of kdelibs-data and kdelibs-bin (i'd get old kdelibs-data) |
| 20:53.09 | tuxit_ | streuner : you're right, it hasn't been so messy for a while ! |
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| 20:53.33 | floppyears | hi |
| 20:53.39 | jcuk | !nvidia |
| 20:53.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 20:53.51 | floppyears | is there something like a script that I can use to turn .sxw files into .doc files? |
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| 20:54.24 | tuxit_ | lord_rob : there is no package kde-base. Does that format works ? |
| 20:54.25 | montoya | salve |
| 20:54.31 | jcuk | !nvidia-howto |
| 20:54.31 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia-howto was http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Etch. Warning : follow the instructions with some care. in particular, if you don't know better, set NVDIST=stable instead of testing or unstable |
| 20:54.42 | drac | jcuk: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 20:54.44 | r3v | floppyears: abiword used to have console document import/export |
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| 20:54.57 | floppyears | r3v: thanks |
| 20:55.02 | montoya | I am a italian user |
| 20:55.04 | foo | Why does debian not show who is connected with "who" when someone is connected via ssh |
| 20:55.05 | jcuk | ty |
| 20:55.07 | r3v | floppyears: no idea if it still does though |
| 20:55.11 | streuner | !it |
| 20:55.11 | dpkg | [italian] per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 20:55.27 | tuxit_ | I will move back to ctwn then. See you |
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| 20:55.59 | jcuk | this is so unusual. i had a lot more in the menu along with a lot more themes etc. when i installed it on my other computer |
| 20:56.08 | mo1991 | can someone help me with dpkg-scanpackages. I have some files that are named w32codecs_1%3a20050412-0.0_i386.deb but when synaptic looks for it the % part is left out??? |
| 20:56.18 | lord_rob | tuxit_: apt-get install kde-core/testing sorry |
| 20:56.27 | dgc | r3v: thanks, your a life saver =+D |
| 20:56.47 | streuner | mo1991: add 'marillat' source to your sources.list and just get it |
| 20:56.54 | r3v | dgc: no prob. I broke mine last week ;-) |
| 20:56.54 | maj | fixed it |
| 20:57.08 | tuxit_ | lord_rob : seems still broken :(( |
| 20:57.16 | skate | jcuk. apt-get install all the gnome-related packages if you want themes, etc. |
| 20:57.22 | mo1991 | streuner - I'm trying to set up my own repository that contains some of the files from there and other places- doing installs on several machines |
| 20:57.31 | lord_rob | tuxit_: do you have testing sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 20:57.31 | tuxit_ | lord_rob: depends on arts, kdebase, kdelibs and none of them will be installed |
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| 20:57.52 | mo1991 | the %'s in the filename seem to mess up downloading from my repository tho - any idea why |
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| 20:58.04 | lord_rob | tuxit_: install everything simultaneously (dont forget the /testing) |
| 20:58.04 | tuxit_ | lord_rob : yes indeed |
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| 20:58.50 | jcuk | gotcha skate |
| 20:59.11 | mo1991 | streuner - why do the filenames have this % anyway - ever the marillat package list does not show the % in the filenames? |
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| 20:59.36 | tuxit_ | lord_rob: arts can't be installed because of 1 pkg, kdebase because of 24 pkg, kdelibs because of 1 pkg |
| 20:59.41 | streuner | mo1991: just a wild guess, you downloaded them via windows? |
| 20:59.47 | meff | guys, how do i redirect STDERR to null also in crontab? i'm using "2>&1 >/dev/null" but i still get crontab email from the program outputting to STDERR.. |
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| 20:59.49 | ghais | hello guys, who can I change the font size in my tty? |
| 20:59.49 | peterS | mo1991: the ":" character is illegal on some braindamaged systems |
| 20:59.53 | jcuk | im just curious to know why they didnt auto install before |
| 21:00.04 | asuffield | peterS: like http |
| 21:00.48 | mo1991 | streuner - nope - copied from my /var/cache/apt directory - do not use winblows on this machine |
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| 21:01.04 | lord_rob | tuxit_: do you use aptitude ? you should, very handy in this kind of situation :) |
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| 21:01.16 | ghais | is there a setting i can add to grup to decrease the font size, or is it a configuration file that i have to change? |
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| 21:02.19 | tuxit_ | lord_rob: I use apt, but should I try this command with aptitude ? |
| 21:02.34 | jcuk | wow, i cant do 2 apt-get install's at the same time? |
| 21:02.37 | r3v | ghais: if you have framebuffer, you can change the resolution in grub which will make the font smaller/bigger |
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| 21:02.55 | tuxit_ | lord_rob: with aptitude install all_given_parameters, I have the same output as for apt |
| 21:03.02 | stew | tuxit_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:03.11 | tuxit_ | stew : sid |
| 21:03.37 | mo1991 | failed to fetch http://civildefense.bounceme.net/binary-i386/libxvidcore4_20x1.6ad04086cc97cp-8891.1.0-beta2-0.0_i386.deb |
| 21:03.49 | mo1991 | streuner - above |
| 21:04.03 | ghais | r3v: how can i change the resolution in grup? |
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| 21:04.14 | stew | tuxit_: i think kde 3.4 is finally starting to transision in after the abi change |
| 21:04.19 | lord_rob | tuxit_: sure but aptitude's text interface shows you what's broken and manages to keep the system in a stable state by putting the needed packages on hold (sometimes you need to "help" it tho) |
| 21:04.22 | r3v | ghais: grup or grub? |
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| 21:04.42 | montoya | grub |
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| 21:05.08 | montoya | Per installare jdk-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin come posso fare? |
| 21:05.13 | ghais | r3v: the boot loader I think it is grup |
| 21:05.13 | r3v | ghais: there should be a vga=<a number> somewheres in there... change the number to the res you want from the table in Docs for framebuffer you use |
| 21:05.15 | mo1991 | streuner - actual file name is libxvidcore4_2%3a1.1.0-beta2-0.0_i386.deb |
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| 21:05.40 | peterS | mo1991: the %3a is a stand-in for ":" |
| 21:05.41 | stew | ghais: append vga=0x??? to the #kopt line in menu.lst; you can get a list of possible modes from hwinfo --framebuffer |
| 21:05.48 | montoya | boot loader is GRUB |
| 21:06.21 | streuner | mo1991: and that's NOT part of every debian package |
| 21:06.33 | mo1991 | peterS - what do I do to fix this - have the files on my website and made a package.gz - |
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| 21:06.44 | peterS | mo1991: I don't understand what you want to fix |
| 21:06.47 | mo1991 | streuner - I know - the ones withoutit work fine |
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| 21:07.20 | mo1991 | peterS - my repository does work - only files with the %3 in it down't work |
| 21:07.40 | mo1991 | but the same files do work in marrillat - so there must be a way to fix this |
| 21:07.40 | ghais | stew: r3v: thanks guys for the help i will try that |
| 21:07.44 | OneSeventeen | Where does pam fit in ftp user permissions? |
| 21:08.03 | peterS | mo1991: how did you create the Packages file? |
| 21:08.14 | tuxit_ | lord_rob: I don't use aptitude because, for instance, I don't know how to install kde ! In the New packages, there is kde/main and 3 useless packages inside ! nothing like kde-core, or useful stuff to install it |
| 21:08.24 | mo1991 | PeterS I noticed that in Marrillot's list the package file does not refer to the files with the %3 |
| 21:08.27 | maj | on "net install" what does it install ,xdm,gdm or kdm ?? |
| 21:08.32 | mo1991 | my package list does |
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| 21:09.01 | stew | maj: it doesn't install any until you request one |
| 21:09.02 | mo1991 | peterS - I used dpkg-scanpackages - dpkg-scanpackages binary-i386 /dev/null | gzip -9c > binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 21:09.04 | r3v | maj: whatever you told it to? |
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| 21:09.30 | maj | me said desktop it installing BOTH kde and gnome |
| 21:09.35 | peterS | mo1991: oh, yeah, it appears the filenames on other archives don't have the epoch in them |
| 21:09.38 | mo1991 | is there something I can add to have it make the package list like the one in marriot - I'm new to this repository thing |
| 21:09.40 | lord_rob | tuxit_: maybe (pure guesssing here) aptitude -t testing could solve your problems |
| 21:09.42 | jaker | j/ #windows95 |
| 21:09.43 | peterS | mo1991: so I guess rename yours not to have an epoch either |
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| 21:10.14 | mo1991 | peterS - the filenames in the package list don't have the epoch, but the actual files do I believe? |
| 21:10.36 | peterS | mo1991: the filenames in the Packages file had better match the filenames on the disk, or nobody will be able to download them |
| 21:10.39 | OneSeventeen | I added a user to my debian box and they cannot access the server via ftp (but my other user can), do I need to do something to enable their ftp access? |
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| 21:10.52 | OneSeventeen | (ftp is done by vsftpd and is based on users, not a separate database) |
| 21:10.54 | andre_m | how to show unloaded kernel modules? |
| 21:10.55 | mo1991 | peterS - right, that what's messing me up for these couple of files |
| 21:11.07 | mo1991 | let me take a look at marriot |
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| 21:11.24 | peterS | mo1991: best to avoid epochs altogether in your future packages |
| 21:11.31 | peterS | mo1991: makes the whole mess a lot simpler |
| 21:11.39 | tuxit_ | lord_rob : I wasn't looking in the proper category (there are the useful stuff in "not installed"). However, same problem for testing or unstable: when I press on kde, I have all the unsatisfied dependencies in red :( |
| 21:12.00 | diesel | I am getting GPG errors after apt-get update. I tried apt-config to try a different source and the GPG error returned. Any suggestions? |
| 21:12.14 | stew | diesel: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 21:12.23 | r3v | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:12.34 | r3v | whoops |
| 21:12.39 | diesel | okay. I will do that. |
| 21:12.46 | mo1991 | peterS - I'm really not sure hwo the % got there anyway??? |
| 21:12.57 | peterS | mo1991: they're epochs. avoid them in the future. |
| 21:13.33 | maj | i LOVE this bootstrap thingy |
| 21:13.39 | mo1991 | peterS - I got these packages from marriot's repos |
| 21:13.52 | mo1991 | I am not aware of another source |
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| 21:14.06 | mo1991 | for mplayer, avidemux, etc |
| 21:14.11 | peterS | mo1991: and you're wanting to redistribute them, *in the US*? careful, dude |
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| 21:14.35 | maj | mplayer you need to do search on apt-get.org |
| 21:14.53 | peterS | mo1991: anyway if these aren't your own packages, that would explain why you didn't know what epochs were. hmm |
| 21:15.00 | andre_m | how to show unloaded kernel modules? |
| 21:15.16 | peterS | mo1991: you could try this: rename 's/\d+%3a//' *.deb |
| 21:15.33 | lord_rob | tuxit_: hmmm strange. Best thing to do is maybe to wait a few days till kde 3.4 enbters sid |
| 21:15.43 | peterS | andre_m: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -type f |
| 21:15.49 | tuxit_ | lord_rob : you're probably right |
| 21:15.50 | SimonRaven | andre_m: 2.6 kernels, modprobe -l | grep foo , or | less |
| 21:15.52 | lord_rob | tuxit_: use gnome meanwhile |
| 21:15.59 | SimonRaven | 2.4 use peterS thingy |
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| 21:16.12 | peterS | oh yeah, forgot about modprobe -l |
| 21:16.19 | maj | this will be first time i'll have a FULL debian install |
| 21:16.34 | peterS | that is, /sbin/modprobe -l, since /sbin isn't normally in your path, unless you're root |
| 21:16.36 | mo1991 | peterS - how about a way to get dpkg-scanpackages to ignore them - I believe this would also solve the problem? |
| 21:16.46 | maj | knoppix,morphix,and DSL i have done |
| 21:16.47 | tuxit_ | lord_rob : With aptitude -t testing, I did a + on kde, then g and it seems it installed stuffs. But when entering again in aptitude, the packet is still in the p state. Any idea ? |
| 21:16.49 | lord_rob | tuxit_: but if you prefer not to have that experience again, you'd better to use aptitude. I never got a crash when I upgraded from xfree to xorg for instance |
| 21:16.58 | peterS | mo1991: you want dpkg-scanpackages to ignore files with epoch numbers? why not just delete all those files then |
| 21:17.18 | lord_rob | tuxit_: hmmm strange |
| 21:17.24 | lord_rob | tuxit_: not really |
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| 21:17.35 | tuxit_ | lord_rob : I will use it from now then, it seems good stuff. Previously, I didn't want to touch stuffs like dselect... |
| 21:17.55 | mo1991 | peterS - never mind - |
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| 21:18.13 | mo1991 | peterS - now that I am looking - I don't know how the files got the epochs |
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| 21:18.36 | maj | what is default X server in debian ?>? |
| 21:18.37 | mo1991 | peterS - in the repository they don't have them - I dn'ed these with apt-get???? |
| 21:18.37 | peterS | mo1991: if you used 'apt-get' to download them, apt-get helpfully gives the filenames their proper version numbers |
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| 21:18.56 | mo1991 | peterS - so that's why they have the epoch?? |
| 21:18.57 | peterS | mo1991: if you just use 'wget', wget doesn't care what a file contains, it just pulls it down |
| 21:19.06 | eutopia | whats a good compression app for Debian? Similar to Winzip for the Windows? |
| 21:19.13 | jdhutchin1 | eutopia, tar? |
| 21:19.26 | mo1991 | peterS - thanks very much for the explanation - makes sense now and I will fix these files |
| 21:19.37 | SimonRaven | tar does not compress |
| 21:19.41 | stew | mo1991: do you understand what an epoch is? |
| 21:19.43 | SimonRaven | it archives. |
| 21:19.46 | mo1991 | that is the problem is that apt added tham |
| 21:19.57 | Mr-R | eutopia: try "zip"... |
| 21:20.00 | mo1991 | stew - not really? what is it? |
| 21:20.03 | SimonRaven | apt doesn't add epochs, the maintainer desD[Do |
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| 21:20.08 | SimonRaven | does* |
| 21:20.08 | peterS | mo1991: here's the deal. a package gcc version 4:4.0.1-3 will be named gcc_4.0.1-3_i386.deb because that makes things simpler to download. apt-get stores it locally as gcc_4%3a4.0.1-3_i386.deb |
| 21:20.11 | stew | !epoch |
| 21:20.11 | dpkg | hmm... epoch is the end of an era. For example y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. The unix epoch on 32 bit hardware isn't until Jan 18 2038, by which time we will probably have all migrated to 64 bit architectures. It's also a very ugly concept used by the debian packaging software. For example: 2:0.0.0 is a higher version than 9.9.9 by itself. |
| 21:20.12 | eutopia | jdhutchin1: yes but Tar is only Alpha and very buggy for me! anytingelse? |
| 21:20.16 | MegaByte | Is anyone familar with midi? |
| 21:20.17 | peterS | mo1991: since apt-get knows the version is not 4.0.1-3 but 4:4.0.1-3 |
| 21:20.18 | jcuk | !nvidia |
| 21:20.18 | maj | me think he want the gui |
| 21:20.18 | dpkg | nvidia is probably DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
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| 21:20.31 | MegaByte | I got a soundfont that insists into saying it belongs to preset 1 |
| 21:20.32 | jdhutchin1 | eutopia, tar is an old program, it's not buggy. what tar are you using? |
| 21:20.35 | SimonRaven | tar isn't alpha. wtf are you on? |
| 21:20.38 | jdhutchin1 | eutopia, maybe file roller? |
| 21:20.42 | MegaByte | but I want to force it to get loaded in the right place |
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| 21:20.53 | flipmcf | eutopia, SumonRaven tar doesn't compress either gzip does (tar -z) |
| 21:21.11 | SimonRaven | flipmcf: 17:19 SimonRaven : tar does not compress 17:19 SimonRaven : it archives. |
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| 21:21.16 | SimonRaven | i know |
| 21:21.26 | eutopia | jdhutchin1: I meant Tar |
| 21:21.41 | jcuk | !msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 21:21.42 | eutopia | jdhutchin1: I meant Ark |
| 21:21.46 | mo1991 | peterS, I see - and that is because the : is an illegal character correct? |
| 21:21.49 | flipmcf | eutopia: gzip and zip are probably the best options - unless there is better stuff out there that I don't know about yet. |
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| 21:21.53 | eutopia | jdhutchin1: tar is not a gui based |
| 21:21.57 | jcuk | !nvidia-howto |
| 21:21.57 | jdhutchin1 | eutopia, so? |
| 21:21.57 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia-howto was http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Etch. Warning : follow the instructions with some care. in particular, if you don't know better, set NVDIST=stable instead of testing or unstable |
| 21:21.59 | peterS | mo1991: : cannot be represented on CD-ROM filesystems, FAT filesystems, or over HTTP |
| 21:22.02 | maj | i usually use mc it got good interface to tar and etc |
| 21:22.07 | SimonRaven | ark is a frontend, like file-roller |
| 21:22.10 | eutopia | flipmcf: im seeking a gui based compression util |
| 21:22.12 | stew | mo1991: basically when the upstream changes versioning schemes, debian changes epochs, epoch is the part before the colon. so for instance if some upstream source used to name things 20060824 or something then switches to naming things 1.2 1.3 1.4, etc, debian would start calling them 1:1.2 1:1.3 1:1.4 |
| 21:22.13 | mo1991 | peters - cool makes sense - thx |
| 21:22.15 | peterS | mo1991: it's perfectly legal on unix filesystems, but you might want to burn the files to a CD or something |
| 21:22.18 | SimonRaven | jcuk: please use /msg |
| 21:22.24 | jcuk | i tried man, didnt work |
| 21:22.26 | jcuk | nvm sorry |
| 21:22.58 | maj | what is the command for dpkg toppics ?? |
| 21:23.00 | lord_rob | aptitude really rules :) |
| 21:23.10 | mo1991 | peterS - thx, I'll get it worked out now that I know what's going on |
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| 21:23.14 | eutopia | whats a good GUI based compression app for Debian similar to Ark? |
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| 21:23.25 | ArtistAgent | eutopia try guitar |
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| 21:23.27 | peterS | mo1991: like I said: rename 's/\d+%3a//' *.deb should do it |
| 21:23.34 | peterS | mo1991: rename is a beautiful little perl program |
| 21:23.36 | eutopia | ArtistAgent: guitar ? |
| 21:23.39 | eutopia | !guitar |
| 21:23.46 | mo1991 | peterS - one more question - does stable ever change? other than woody to sarge, etc |
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| 21:24.03 | orfeu | hy i install apache2 and my mistake i delete /etc/apache2 now i whant it back ! how i do that pls thank you |
| 21:24.07 | mo1991 | there will be no updates to stable until the next version of stable is out - correct |
| 21:24.08 | mo1991 | ? |
| 21:24.12 | ArtistAgent | eutopia guitar |
| 21:24.13 | PaPyRene10 | I couldn't listen to streaming audio with root, not with an ordinary user. The problem is resolved: a wrong proxy xmms-setting to localhost. I found this by renaming the .xmms settings profile, starting xmms and compare the new settings with the old ;-) |
| 21:24.22 | eutopia | mo1991: correct |
| 21:24.26 | orfeu | hy i install apache2 and my mistake i delete /etc/apache2 now i whant it back ! how i do that pls thank you |
| 21:24.33 | peterS | mo1991: it is updated from time to time to roll in some security updates. thus sarge is debian 3.1r0, it was redone as 3.1r0a to fix a tiny CD image bug. eventually sarge 3.1r1 will come out with some accumulated security updates in it |
| 21:24.53 | peterS | mo1991: then 3.1r2, 3.1r3, etc., until etch is released as 3.2 or 4.0 |
| 21:24.59 | ArtistAgent | yep its in the debian apt database good prog |
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| 21:25.14 | peterS | mo1991: each r number is very small changes - you get pretty much the same changes by pulling security updates from security.debian.org |
| 21:25.32 | mo1991 | peterS - how do I pull just the security updates? |
| 21:25.34 | Shadowcat | peterS: heh until etch is released |
| 21:25.35 | jcuk | erm, im running sarge so do i do NVDIST=testing ? |
| 21:25.36 | mo1991 | apt-get install update? |
| 21:25.45 | mo1991 | with just stable in sources.list |
| 21:25.47 | Shadowcat | it's gonna be a good three years until then |
| 21:25.49 | orfeu | hy i install apache2 and my mistake i delete /etc/apache2 now i whant it back ! how i do that pls thank you |
| 21:25.51 | peterS | mo1991: you probably already have the security.debian.org line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:25.58 | mo1991 | yuup |
| 21:26.05 | peterS | mo1991: so then just 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade' |
| 21:26.08 | mo1991 | so does apt-get install update do it then |
| 21:26.11 | andre_m | /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/acpi# insmod * |
| 21:26.11 | andre_m | insmod: error inserting 'ac.ko': -1 No such device |
| 21:26.24 | andre_m | does this mean my hardware doesn't do acpi? |
| 21:26.28 | mo1991 | peterS - right, just had the wrong apt command |
| 21:26.30 | mo1991 | thanks |
| 21:26.32 | peterS | np |
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| 21:27.27 | andre_m | orfeu: apt-get remove apache2;apt-get install apache2 ? |
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| 21:28.52 | orfeu | andre_m don't work i try it but .... the config files are not there after I reinstall |
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| 21:29.38 | OneSeventeen | How do I add a new ftp user in debian? |
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| 21:29.59 | eguzkia | hi |
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| 21:34.15 | eguzkia | streuner: because doesen't works with other version |
| 21:34.19 | OneSeventeen | OxxeN: I've actually physically restarted the server, hoping that would work... |
| 21:34.29 | stew | underdog: oh, someone messed up the factoid, hold on |
| 21:34.50 | underdog | no problem |
| 21:34.52 | underdog | take your time |
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| 21:35.18 | epilido | i jus built it with out complications on a sid box 3 hours ago.... |
| 21:35.26 | stew | dpkg: no why debian is http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 21:35.26 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, stew |
| 21:35.30 | [sr] | hi pppl |
| 21:35.40 | stew | dpkg: forget why debian |
| 21:35.53 | stew | dpkg: no, why debian is http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 21:35.53 | dpkg | stew: what are you talking about? |
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| 21:35.55 | abrotman | !literal why debian |
| 21:35.56 | dpkg | not in testing yet is ($1): $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed on http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=$1 |
| 21:36.02 | abrotman | what the fuck |
| 21:36.04 | stew | yeah |
| 21:36.16 | abrotman | !tell me about literal why debian |
| 21:36.39 | stew | dpkg: why debian =~ s#<reply> see not in testing#http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/# |
| 21:36.39 | dpkg | stew: that doesn't contain '<reply> see not in testing' |
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| 21:37.03 | abrotman | !factinfo why debian |
| 21:37.03 | dpkg | why debian -- last modified at Wed Aug 6 17:29:37 2003 by asg!~asg@clt57-145-039.carolina.rr.com; it has been requested 636 times, last by dabaR at Sat Aug 13 19:48:21 2005. |
| 21:37.16 | stew | asg: jerk |
| 21:37.16 | abrotman | what the hell |
| 21:37.25 | stew | err no it was asg |
| 21:37.29 | maj | is there a ! command list ?? |
| 21:37.34 | maj | !help |
| 21:37.35 | abrotman | maj: yes |
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| 21:37.40 | jshriver | Anyone here use a dual monitor setup? Have any info on how to set it up? Do you have to have a special dual-head video card or can you just use 2 video cards ? |
| 21:37.42 | abrotman | !tell maj about help |
| 21:37.44 | stew | maj: listkeys foo and listvalues foo |
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| 21:38.00 | peterS | jshriver: depends on the video cards. some are happy to *not* be the first head, others less so |
| 21:38.18 | abrotman | !why does stew suck stew |
| 21:38.19 | dpkg | Because RMS's pet gnu hates stew. |
| 21:38.23 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 21:38.31 | abrotman | at least it rhymes |
| 21:38.33 | jshriver | I have a couple video cards... |
| 21:39.16 | peterS | jshriver: the main test is whether the machine boots at all. if both cards try to be the ISA VGA card, there will be a row |
| 21:39.29 | epilido | stew would you look at the make ouput if I post in #flood |
| 21:39.32 | PerfDave | I keep meaning to find a spare PCI graphics card and setting up dual head |
| 21:39.35 | eutopia | ArtistAgent: couldnt find guitar anywhere for Debian! any ideas? |
| 21:39.38 | maj | !why am i crazy |
| 21:39.39 | dpkg | not in testing yet is ($1): $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed on http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=$1 |
| 21:39.40 | jshriver | I've been able to get it to boot w/ 2 cards.. but the second doesnt display anything... tried with Knoppix |
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| 21:40.16 | peterS | jshriver: the X driver needs to be able to initialise the second card without the benefit of its VGA BIOS. some drivers can do that, others can't |
| 21:40.16 | stew | !literal why |
| 21:40.17 | dpkg | why is <reply> Because! |
| 21:40.22 | maj | if video card it prob needs to be changed in bios |
| 21:40.23 | abrotman | stew: someone made a stupid factoid :) |
| 21:40.31 | peterS | !stupid bot tricks |
| 21:40.31 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. /join #debian-bots and play there |
| 21:40.39 | peterS | thank you |
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| 21:40.47 | abrotman | peterS: dpkg is messed up |
| 21:40.51 | berzerka | using wlan driver ipw2200, configured interface (eth1) via iwconfig and ifconfig, card works (iwlist eth1 scan finds aps). when trying to set the routes, i get SIOCADDRT: No such device. dhclient on the other hand is able to set a route with eth1 as device. wheres my fault? |
| 21:40.54 | abrotman | peterS: not tricks |
| 21:41.01 | peterS | abrotman: that's still a good reason to live in #debian-bots, isn't it? |
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| 21:41.10 | streuner | peterS: no |
| 21:41.12 | cusco | hi... |
| 21:41.13 | abrotman | peterS: i can't live there .. they don't like me |
| 21:41.14 | cusco | Portatil:/home/cusco# rssowl |
| 21:41.14 | cusco | /usr/bin/rssowl: line 3: /bin/java: No such file or directory |
| 21:41.28 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 21:41.32 | peterS | abrotman: <movie bot quote> Well, I don't like you either </movie bot quote> |
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| 21:41.42 | abrotman | well .. either dpkg has me on ignore now .. or he's dying |
| 21:41.55 | peterS | death of dpkg predicted! film at eleven! |
| 21:42.07 | djperegrine | whenever I do su it says setgid: Operation not permitted |
| 21:42.15 | cusco | what java do I need? |
| 21:42.29 | cusco | cusco@Portatil:/opt/rssowl_linux_1_1_3_bin$ ./run.sh |
| 21:42.29 | cusco | ./run.sh: line 2: java: command not found |
| 21:42.30 | peterS | djperegrine: sounds like you're using selinux or grsec or something like that |
| 21:42.36 | stew | epilido: sure i'll look |
| 21:42.38 | djperegrine | knoppmyth |
| 21:42.39 | abrotman | debian doesn't have a /opt |
| 21:42.41 | stew | cusco: /msg dpkg install java |
| 21:42.47 | cusco | lol :| |
| 21:42.52 | abrotman | !tell cusco about install java |
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| 21:42.52 | cusco | stew: I did |
| 21:42.56 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 21:43.01 | stew | cusco: which java did you install? |
| 21:43.02 | abrotman | stew: he's dying |
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| 21:43.05 | stew | yeah |
| 21:43.10 | peterS | @ping |
| 21:43.11 | stew | epilido: i'll look |
| 21:43.12 | ravenbird | pong |
| 21:43.13 | cusco | stew: java-package |
| 21:43.16 | peterS | we still have teh raven |
| 21:43.27 | streuner | apt, say hi |
| 21:43.29 | apt | hi |
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| 21:43.31 | djperegrine | also, /var/log/auth.log says bad group ID '0' for user 'root' |
| 21:43.37 | stew | cusco: which version of java did you install from sun / blackdown / ibm / whatever? |
| 21:43.41 | abrotman | ~install java |
| 21:43.44 | abrotman | bah |
| 21:43.58 | epilido | stew its up |
| 21:44.00 | abrotman | peterS: ravenbird hasn't been synced to dpkg in a while |
| 21:44.05 | cusco | stew: from sun, none |
| 21:44.10 | abrotman | cusco: use java-package |
| 21:44.21 | cusco | abrotman: I did... not working still... |
| 21:44.24 | peterS | dondelelcaro: death of dpkg predicted. film at eleven. people are complaining that it's malfuncitoning - check on it some time? |
| 21:44.36 | cusco | /usr/bin/rssowl: line 3: /bin/java: No such file or directory |
| 21:44.36 | streuner | abrotman: well, there is one bot which is always uptodate |
| 21:44.40 | abrotman | why wait til 11 .. it can still make the 6pm news! |
| 21:44.50 | peterS | yeah! I forgot that |
| 21:44.55 | abrotman | streuner: it's the one that isn't working :) |
| 21:45.12 | stew | cusco: it shouldn't be /bin/java you should have /usr/bin/java |
| 21:45.24 | abrotman | i don't think he used java-package :) |
| 21:45.30 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, it deadlocked |
| 21:45.31 | ArtistAgent | eutopia http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/guitar |
| 21:45.32 | cusco | stew: ok hold |
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| 21:45.40 | OneSeventeen | how can I tell what a user's shell is (as defined by -s in usermod or useradd?) |
| 21:45.41 | peterS | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 21:45.45 | stew | abrotman: /bin/java is wrong regardless |
| 21:45.53 | peterS | !wb |
| 21:45.53 | dpkg | thanks, peters. It's good to be back. |
| 21:45.58 | abrotman | stew: i know |
| 21:45.58 | ArtistAgent | eutopia there also is a stable version out i believe |
| 21:46.10 | abrotman | now .. should i try to fix the factoid that is broken ? |
| 21:46.18 | ArtistAgent | also it should be in your apt database |
| 21:46.19 | streuner | dpkg, why debian |
| 21:46.24 | dpkg | not in testing yet is ($1): $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed on http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=$1 |
| 21:46.37 | abrotman | stew: i foudn it |
| 21:46.43 | abrotman | !literal cmd: why (.*?) |
| 21:46.43 | dpkg | CMD: why (.*?) is not in testing yet is ($1): $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed on http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=$1 |
| 21:46.59 | abrotman | dpkg: forget cmd: why (.*?) |
| 21:46.59 | dpkg | abrotman: i forgot CMD: why (.*?) |
| 21:47.04 | cusco | stew: |
| 21:47.05 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 21:47.05 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 21:47.07 | cusco | /usr/bin/rssowl: line 3: /usr/bin/java: No such file or directory |
| 21:47.09 | abrotman | yay! :) |
| 21:47.18 | stew | cusco: /msg dpkg install java |
| 21:47.18 | abrotman | !tell cusco about install java |
| 21:47.22 | eutopia | ArtistAgent: thanks :) |
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| 21:47.34 | eutopia | ArtistAgent: but I dont use gnome. i only use KDE |
| 21:47.49 | ArtistAgent | hmmm let me look real quick |
| 21:47.53 | eutopia | ArtistAgent: is there somrthing similar to guitar for KDE? |
| 21:48.13 | abrotman | ark ? |
| 21:48.21 | abrotman | apt-cache search kde archive |
| 21:48.22 | eutopia | ArtistAgent: ty |
| 21:48.43 | eutopia | abrotman: ark is alpha and very buggy |
| 21:48.49 | abrotman | krusader ? |
| 21:48.49 | blacksky | I'm sure this is an FAQ today, but I can't install KDE from unstable. "libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3) but it is not installable" etc etc. Is there a fix or work-around for this? |
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| 21:49.05 | PerfDave | blacksky: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 21:49.21 | peterS | blacksky: time. give it time. |
| 21:49.23 | stew | and /topic #debian-kde |
| 21:49.32 | abrotman | and don't use unstable |
| 21:49.35 | eutopia | abrotman: you must be new :) |
| 21:49.37 | peterS | yeah, that too |
| 21:49.41 | blacksky | PerfDave: BTS? |
| 21:49.50 | PerfDave | !btssmite blacksky |
| 21:49.51 | OneSeventeen | Solution to my Problem! - when adding a user, set their shell as /bin/bash and they will have ftp access when using vsftpd |
| 21:49.56 | andre_m | /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/acpi# modprobe processor |
| 21:49.57 | andre_m | FATAL: Error inserting processor (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/acpi/processor.ko): No such device |
| 21:49.58 | abrotman | eutopia: to what? |
| 21:50.00 | andre_m | wtf? |
| 21:50.06 | maj | bot went bye bye me thinks |
| 21:50.11 | peterS | eutopia: I've never seen you before today. you think abrotman is new? |
| 21:50.17 | OneSeventeen | if a user is already added, simply type chsh [username] and if the default Login Shell is blank, type /bin/bash and all will be well. |
| 21:50.19 | abrotman | !seen eutopia |
| 21:50.20 | dpkg | eutopia is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 263 messages. Is idling for 44s |
| 21:50.23 | abrotman | right .. i'm new .. ok |
| 21:50.27 | peterS | 263 messages. |
| 21:50.32 | streuner | !seen abrotman |
| 21:50.33 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 125943 messages. Is idling for 10s |
| 21:50.33 | abrotman | !seen abrotman |
| 21:50.34 | peterS | I can do that on one good day |
| 21:50.39 | peterS | hehe |
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| 21:50.45 | abrotman | peterS: slacker .. one day ... jeez |
| 21:50.46 | streuner | oh well, 125k messages, pretty new ;-) |
| 21:50.50 | eutopia | abrotman: dont you realise Ark is alpha? |
| 21:50.54 | abrotman | streuner: been a busy day for me |
| 21:50.58 | ArtistAgent | eutopia here you go this gives ya options ----- http://datacompression.info/NonCommercialProgs.shtml |
| 21:51.06 | abrotman | eutopia: i don't use KDE shit .. but i do know how to apt-cache search kde archive |
| 21:51.16 | blacksky | PerfDave: harsh - been running unstable for literally years - just never heard it called BTS ;) |
| 21:51.20 | nvz | !seen nvz |
| 21:51.20 | dpkg | nvz is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 37490 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 21:51.21 | peterS | abrotman: that's roughly half of #debian output for one day |
| 21:51.24 | eutopia | abrotman: why is kde sh*T? |
| 21:51.33 | peterS | wait, for one month I mean |
| 21:51.34 | nvz | I dont talk much anymore |
| 21:51.37 | abrotman | eutopia: because you don't have a simple archive tool? :) |
| 21:51.45 | abrotman | nvz: and when you do .. it doesn't make sense |
| 21:51.50 | lord_rob | abrotman: ark |
| 21:51.50 | abrotman | peterS: what .. 125k ? |
| 21:51.51 | nvz | but I will admit to being an accessory to the why (.*?) |
| 21:51.52 | eutopia | abrotman: are you a professional developer and expert in quality appls for you to make that comment? Can you write something better than KDE? |
| 21:51.59 | abrotman | lord_rob: tell eutopia ... not me .. he's new here |
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| 21:52.11 | eutopia | abrotman: are you qualified to claim KDE is Sh*&? |
| 21:52.13 | abrotman | eutopia: if i could .. i wouldn't .. i'd rather see kde die a death |
| 21:52.18 | peterS | abrotman: I count 196297 lines in all of 2005-07 |
| 21:52.21 | abrotman | eutopia: shut the fuck up and go away |
| 21:52.22 | nvz | some idiot was trying to edit the bot and i fixed it but didnt realize the "is" was still trying to be part of the factoid name |
| 21:52.22 | blueillusion | how do i tell what version of see my cpu has? |
| 21:52.23 | abrotman | god .. |
| 21:52.27 | peterS | abrotman: so I guess about 2/3 of a month |
| 21:52.27 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: just use /ignore |
| 21:52.27 | abrotman | why is KDE good? |
| 21:52.37 | lord_rob | abrotman: he's already trying to believe in his religion privately :) |
| 21:52.56 | abrotman | peterS: 125k for 2/3 of a month ? |
| 21:52.56 | eutopia | abrotman: you claim KSE is sh*&, so where is your one you have written that is so much better than KDE? surely you can develop something better then? |
| 21:53.05 | lord_rob | abrotman: to make me believe i meant |
| 21:53.15 | peterS | abrotman: something like that, 196297 lines total in July 2005. |
| 21:53.22 | PerfDave | Look, abrotman's got a right to be wrong about KDE ;) |
| 21:53.24 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: baiting people is bad form; if you disagree with their opinion, you can discuss it rationally with them instead of resorting to personal attacks. |
| 21:53.34 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: take it elsewhere, please. |
| 21:53.40 | peterS | abrotman: then again I may have been away for a week or so of July, I can't recall when I was here and when not |
| 21:53.48 | abrotman | he can't address me .. ladeeda! :) |
| 21:53.53 | peterS | abrotman: so total output is probably significantly higher |
| 21:53.59 | abrotman | peterS: you're never really here :) |
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| 21:54.13 | nvz | soon I will have my other head setup ;) its comming along very slowly. and I accidentally installed etch so hopefully everything goes well |
| 21:54.23 | peterS | abrotman: that's also true. but my irc client was actually shut down at times, when I was out of the house for a week |
| 21:54.25 | eutopia | i made no personal attack, I simply stated if someone calls somethging sh*&, then they should provide an alternative that they have personally developed! |
| 21:54.25 | abrotman | nvz: surgery going well ? |
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| 21:54.39 | abrotman | peterS: that makes sense .. no reason to waste power |
| 21:54.45 | Caelum | what's a simple way to check in a .zshrc whether it's the very first time after a boot the user is starting that shell |
| 21:54.52 | nvz | I was using a sarge pre-release installer that installs "testing" instead of "sarge" |
| 21:54.58 | peterS | abrotman: I actually left my computer turned on so I could ssh to it. I just shut down irc, no need for all that pointless traffic |
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| 21:55.07 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: there's no sure fire way |
| 21:55.24 | abrotman | nvz: that's not good |
| 21:55.24 | nvz | abrotman: the fastest mirror I could get was techweb.. its only now going at mak 85kb/s something is wrong. |
| 21:55.30 | lilldude | the auto md5sum checker how do you start it? |
| 21:55.33 | abrotman | nvz: not pair ? |
| 21:55.36 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: if you want something run on reboot, I'd suggest instead to use a @reboot line in your crontab |
| 21:55.37 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: I guess I can grep who, or make a lockfile that's deleted in init on shutdown |
| 21:55.39 | abrotman | i thought pair was mirroring debian |
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| 21:55.51 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: ahh cool, thanks :) |
| 21:56.00 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: if you had taken notice, it was not I, it was abrotman who started attacking me because I use KDE! not other way around |
| 21:56.02 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: man 5 crontab; for details |
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| 21:56.11 | stew | eutopia: just drop it and move on |
| 21:56.13 | peterS | eutopia: you could, I dunno, drop it already |
| 21:56.19 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: I don't care; it's OT here. please, take it elsewhere. |
| 21:56.22 | abrotman | and i did not |
| 21:56.24 | eutopia | stew: np |
| 21:56.34 | eutopia | ok np |
| 21:56.35 | nvz | abrotman: i dont know I tried kernel.org, secsup, and berkeley they were all slower techweb at least goes between 65 and 85 |
| 21:56.42 | sphinxios | does anyone know where to get the old 2.0 dist of debian as isos |
| 21:56.44 | abrotman | nvz: really? |
| 21:56.47 | abrotman | !archive |
| 21:56.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive, or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
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| 21:57.00 | dondelelcaro | sphinxios: the isos aren't available, AFAIK, but you can get the packages themselves. |
| 21:57.02 | abrotman | sphinxios: not sure it comes in isos though :) |
| 21:57.02 | peterS | sphinxios: as isos? good luck |
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| 21:57.39 | Masterkong | hello |
| 21:57.52 | stew | dondelelcaro: where can you even get the packages? |
| 21:57.56 | Masterkong | is it possible to run a 2.6 kernel under stable? |
| 21:58.00 | PerfDave | Masterkong: yes |
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| 21:58.03 | peterS | stew: google for mirrors of archive.debian.org |
| 21:58.06 | PerfDave | Masterkong: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 21:58.15 | streuner | !pal Masterkong |
| 21:58.16 | dondelelcaro | stew: from an archives mirror |
| 21:58.18 | peterS | stew: teh original archive.debian.org isn't still up, last I checked, but mirrors are easy to find |
| 21:58.26 | ArtistAgent | ah |
| 21:58.33 | stew | ahh yeah i see some |
| 21:58.38 | nvz | abrotman: this is an old HP VectraVL 233 I made a last minute decision to add two 8mb simms making it like 80mb total and took out the ISA SMC card and put in the PCI 3com 3c900 I think it is. its also going through a Microsoft XboX MN-740 Wireless Adapter. but I had this box on it earlier and it seemed to work fine. though I dont recall if I tried d/l anything large |
| 21:58.46 | dondelelcaro | stew: if you can't find one, I've got a few working ones (it's the same mirror that dpkg uses to know what is in hamm and bo et al.) |
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| 21:59.11 | Mickell | holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 21:59.16 | abrotman | nvz: you're sick .. just sick |
| 21:59.24 | peterS | dondelelcaro: does dpkg know not to bother ever redownloading Packages for anything older than sarge? |
| 21:59.31 | Mickell | alguien que habla espaņol |
| 21:59.36 | streuner | !es |
| 21:59.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:59.41 | dondelelcaro | peterS: I don't remember; that code needs to be totally rewritten |
| 21:59.50 | peterS | dondelelcaro: heh |
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| 21:59.57 | dondelelcaro | peterS: and actually, the woody packages files can still be modified |
| 22:00.00 | jlj_ | is there any way to release the mouse pointer from inside an opengl/game window? it seems like the only way to get access to the desktop again is to quit the application |
| 22:00.01 | Mickell | holaaaa |
| 22:00.08 | abrotman | Mickell: /j #debian-es |
| 22:00.15 | peterS | dondelelcaro: sort of. I heard the archive software isn't too keen on letting that happen |
| 22:00.16 | Mickell | alguin que desee platicarrrrrrr |
| 22:00.19 | buu | jlj_: Keyboard shortcuts? |
| 22:00.27 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, it's basically just the security updates only... |
| 22:00.36 | streuner | well, dondelelcaro - your job... |
| 22:00.59 | jlj_ | buu: I tried, but they seemed to be disabled in opengl-mode |
| 22:01.00 | OneSeventeen | I want to install PHP5 on my debian box, what lines should I add to my /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
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| 22:01.16 | stew | OneSeventeen: /msg dpkg php5 |
| 22:01.16 | abrotman | OneSeventeen: are you running sid/unstable? |
| 22:01.18 | streuner | OneSeventeen: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 22:01.59 | berzerka | resolved my problem, for everyone who cares, remember: an interface must have an ip address assigned to be used by route! |
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| 22:02.32 | OneSeventeen | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 22:02.34 | Ungy | strange man I just upgraded my sid desktop and restarted and my kde loading screen was still up and I was at my desktop when my apps were already loading it was kinda spiffy |
| 22:02.39 | buu | jlj_: Works for me. |
| 22:02.42 | *** part/#debian Mickell (n=rogerman@201.230.74.49) |
| 22:02.45 | buu | jlj_: Get a better window manager? |
| 22:02.50 | eutopia | Ungy: you like KDE? |
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| 22:03.02 | Ungy | eutopia, it is bloated but it works |
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| 22:03.16 | abrotman | hhaha |
| 22:03.27 | eutopia | Ungy: :) |
| 22:03.31 | jlj_ | buu: ok, i'll try it some more..thanks |
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| 22:03.47 | Ungy | eutopia, I am a windows convert I need the bloat to feel at home |
| 22:03.48 | maj | is there a program to make installing lilo EASIER ?? |
| 22:03.49 | Boter | hello |
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| 22:03.57 | eutopia | i would never say anything negative about kde, because I cant write or develop anything better |
| 22:03.57 | Boter | i set apt sources to unstable |
| 22:04.06 | Boter | now i updated sistem and plesk dont work anymore |
| 22:04.07 | eutopia | Ungy: heh ok |
| 22:04.10 | streuner | OneSeventeen: just run php4 |
| 22:04.14 | stew | maj: have you considered moving to grub? |
| 22:04.15 | Boter | i get this weird error |
| 22:04.15 | Boter | Forbidden |
| 22:04.16 | Boter | You don't have permission to access / on this server. |
| 22:04.38 | maj | nm it got liloconfigure thingy |
| 22:04.38 | abrotman | check the bts |
| 22:04.43 | stew | Boter: sounds like maybe you messed up your sources.list or you are using a bad mirror |
| 22:04.45 | OneSeventeen | streuner: I've been using PHP5 since it came out and depend too much on the new features |
| 22:04.46 | mo1991 | is there something like gdmflexiserver for sarge ??? Or any other program that allows more than one graphical X server for more than one user - flexiserver lets you use ctl alt f8 or F7 or whatever to switch between |
| 22:04.46 | Ungy | eutopia I am perfectly happy in gnome but when I use it my coworkers start freaking out cause i threatened to put linux on all there workstations |
| 22:04.49 | OneSeventeen | stew: thanks, that helped! |
| 22:04.55 | maj | no like grub |
| 22:04.56 | Boter | stew |
| 22:04.57 | eutopia | if anyone wants to say anything negative about any app or desktop, they better be able to provide something better that they have developed themselves! |
| 22:05.01 | Boter | update was succesful |
| 22:05.09 | eutopia | Ungy: hehe ;) |
| 22:05.10 | peterS | mo1991: you can configure gdm / xdm / whatever to run multiple local X servers |
| 22:05.13 | mo1991 | is there a gtmflexiserver for sarge or something similar??? |
| 22:05.16 | Boter | just if i open IP:8443 which schould be plesk |
| 22:05.18 | Boter | it dont work |
| 22:05.30 | eutopia | Ungy: how many staff you have working for you? |
| 22:05.34 | karnov | maj : with grub you have the power of one shell at the startup to move or adjust boot parameters... |
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| 22:05.44 | mo1991 | peterS - how do I do that - used to just run gdmflexiserver and it would add a gdm on a different terminal? |
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| 22:05.58 | mo1991 | is there no gdmflexiserver for sarge? |
| 22:06.00 | predius | Hey, guys, any of you is getting any DNS problems? |
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| 22:06.05 | Ungy | eutopia, I am not the boss just the tech I support 14 people here and 22 in Bulgaria |
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| 22:06.08 | maj | it easier for me to goof up linux stable ME NOT |
| 22:06.08 | abrotman | predius: define problems |
| 22:06.13 | peterS | mo1991: just configure gdm or xdm or kdm or wdm or whatever you wish. they've got text files for configuration, like /etc/gdm/gdm.conf or whatever |
| 22:06.29 | predius | not resolving. |
| 22:06.36 | predius | tried fifi.org, not resolving either. |
| 22:06.49 | Ungy | eutopia I am the only one with a linux desktop |
| 22:06.50 | abrotman | predius: do any work ? |
| 22:06.57 | predius | some work, some do not. |
| 22:07.05 | abrotman | so .. this is a debian problem ? |
| 22:07.11 | maj | ok me going to try new install |
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| 22:07.19 | lilldude | i cant find how to md5sumcheck debian get auto to shell do it |
| 22:07.23 | lilldude | truied google |
| 22:07.27 | eutopia | Ungy: ok! |
| 22:07.28 | karnov | maj : !!! |
| 22:07.39 | eutopia | Ungy: ppl are scared of something new |
| 22:07.50 | abrotman | wow ... |
| 22:08.05 | Ungy | eutopia I really hate my job so I figured if I am goign to do it I might as well learn somethign while I am at it so I said screw the dual boot and went linux only and went unstable for the extra fun |
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| 22:08.27 | stew | Boter: plesk is some commercial domain management thingy? |
| 22:08.36 | Boter | stew yes |
| 22:08.40 | stew | Boter: running unstable on a production box is a bad idea you know |
| 22:08.50 | stew | Boter: don't you get support when you buy plesk? |
| 22:08.56 | predius | abrotman: also, wiki.debian.org does not resolve either |
| 22:09.06 | OneSeventeen | Ungy: nice, I can only dual boot, but my new laptop runs nothing but linux. I still can't seem to get the new viruses to install though... may have to switch back to windows for that |
| 22:09.19 | predius | I tried pinging from fifi.org |
| 22:09.19 | abrotman | predius: wiki.debian.net ? |
| 22:09.23 | predius | net, yes. |
| 22:09.31 | Ungy | OneSeventeen, new viruses? |
| 22:09.36 | abrotman | predius: apparently not just you |
| 22:09.40 | stew | Boter: so did you already upgrade to unstable? |
| 22:09.46 | Boter | yes |
| 22:09.54 | mo1991 | PeterS - I use the default XDM from sarge - I can't seem to find a config file?? |
| 22:10.07 | Boter | stew can i make downgrade? |
| 22:10.09 | peterS | mo1991: there's one in /etc/xdm/ IIRC |
| 22:10.09 | abrotman | predius: it's not just you |
| 22:10.13 | abrotman | whoops |
| 22:10.15 | Boter | back to stable? |
| 22:10.15 | stew | Boter: with the abi change plesk might need to be recompiled |
| 22:10.17 | stew | Boter: no |
| 22:10.17 | abrotman | !tell me about repeat |
| 22:10.18 | newz | hello im am , speak spanish helpme plz The file wimpy.swf is of type application/x-sockware-flash (Shockwave Flash file), and Mozzilla does not know how to handle this file type . This file located at url |
| 22:10.23 | stew | Boter: there is no way to downgrade |
| 22:10.24 | abrotman | !es |
| 22:10.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:10.55 | Boter | abi? |
| 22:11.06 | abrotman | abiword is nice |
| 22:11.10 | newz | not! |
| 22:11.17 | mo1991 | peterS - I don't have a /etc/xdm/ directory?/ |
| 22:11.27 | newz | "wimpy.swf" |
| 22:11.32 | peterS | mo1991: but you have xdm installed? maybe I'm misremembering, look in /etc/X11 too |
| 22:11.41 | stew | Boter: if its written in c++, c++ just went through a major non backwards compatible change |
| 22:11.52 | abrotman | newz: /j #debian-es |
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| 22:12.02 | newz | okay! |
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| 22:12.08 | mo1991 | peterS - it's in /etc/X11 thx |
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| 22:13.14 | stew | Boter: but i dunno really, we can't really know since its not opensource, you'll have to contact them |
| 22:13.24 | peterS | brtmn: that wasn't nice |
| 22:13.29 | Boter | ok |
| 22:13.46 | esk | how can I find a good rsync mirror to use if I want to make a local debian mirror? is there a list of rsync mirrors somewhere, or do I just look for mirrors with port 873 open? |
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| 22:13.50 | abrotman | peterS: srry |
| 22:13.54 | nvz | well I found a faster mirror, tried 3 others and I get like 120kbs or so from carroll.aset.psu.edu |
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| 22:14.19 | abrotman | nvz: yeah .. but the admin for carroll is a moron or something .. he can't figure out how to completely mirror anything :) |
| 22:14.19 | Gnea | esk: http://www.debian.org/CD/mirroring/rsync-mirrors |
| 22:14.33 | abrotman | nvz: i've talked to a friend who works there many times about it |
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| 22:16.33 | buu | Hrm. I just did an apt-get upgrade and didn't pay attention to the modules list. It puttered along and eventually installed a kernel-image and gave me that nice message about 'you must reboot as soon as this is finished'. The thing is, I don't want to reboot, for various reasons. CAn I just ctrl-c the install without destroying my system? |
| 22:16.37 | esk | Gnea: do those sites usually have the whole debian archive as well as CD images? |
| 22:16.45 | abrotman | f1shhead: would you like a f1shbody ? |
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| 22:16.59 | abrotman | esk: they don't all have the CD images .. |
| 22:17.03 | f1shhead | no actually i would like to KILL the one I already own |
| 22:17.05 | f1shhead | it's worthless |
| 22:17.22 | lilldude | f1shhed what the matter |
| 22:17.34 | peterS | buu: the only reason it says that is because your kernel image replaced all the modules from the old one |
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| 22:17.45 | peterS | buu: you don't want to be loading new modules into an old kernel |
| 22:17.55 | peterS | buu: as long as you avoid doing things that load kernel modules, you'll be perfectly fine |
| 22:18.06 | f1shhead | lill i'll live unfortunitely |
| 22:18.11 | chrisben | anyone know if woody's stock ppp includes mppe support? (for pptpd) |
| 22:18.13 | buu | peterS: Er, ok? |
| 22:18.16 | f1shhead | digestive system has been a mess for yrs |
| 22:18.23 | lilldude | yikes |
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| 22:19.03 | peterS | buu: the warning is loaded harshly because if you *do* load modules you do run the risk of crashes or interesting malfunctions |
| 22:19.16 | peterS | buu: s/loaded/worded/ |
| 22:19.23 | buu | peterS: Well. I doubt I'll be loading modules, unless something does it for me. |
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| 22:19.30 | peterS | buu: *nod* |
| 22:19.31 | buu | Oh well, I get 3 free reboots a month! |
| 22:19.39 | peterS | buu: just don't forget to reboot *sometime* |
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| 22:19.49 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 22:19.49 | buu | Heh. "After three reboots, you will be charged at $90/hr" |
| 22:19.51 | Boter | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:19.51 | Boter | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.51 | Boter | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 22:19.56 | buu | I wonder how many hours it takes them to reboot a box. |
| 22:19.57 | Boter | apt-get -f install |
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| 22:20.03 | Boter | does the same message |
| 22:20.03 | Led_Zeppelin | if I use 100DPI fonts over 75DPI, will I get a better quality font? |
| 22:20.18 | buu | peterS: Hrm. It's a remote server that I lack physical access to, but theoretically can't I just reboot it anyways? |
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| 22:20.28 | buu | peterS: Shouldn't it come back up with sshd and such? |
| 22:20.41 | peterS | buu: sure. it should. if it's an issue you can look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ to see if the old kernel-image package is still there. if so you can 'dpkg -i' that and then forget about rebooting for awhile |
| 22:20.59 | buu | peterS: I might lose my irssi uptime! |
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| 22:21.13 | heyyou | hello everyone |
| 22:21.19 | peterS | buu: true! do you know about /upgrade btw? |
| 22:21.38 | heyyou | i am having some trouble configure xfree86 on debain |
| 22:21.41 | peterS | buu: irssi has a cute feature where it passes the open TCP connection and some state into a re-execed copy of itself, so you can upgrade without the server seeing it |
| 22:21.47 | buu | peterS: haha, nice |
| 22:21.48 | abrotman | heyyou: trouble how? |
| 22:22.11 | peterS | buu: the new irssi instance does re-query for channel member lists and stuff, so the server can see *something* happened, but other users will never see this |
| 22:22.21 | buu | peterS: Does it keep your uptime? |
| 22:22.37 | heyyou | abrotman: i have a micro innovations optical mouse and can't not find the right configuration to get it to work |
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| 22:22.49 | peterS | buu: irssi's internal stats are probably reset, but your externally visible uptime stays |
| 22:22.55 | buu | peterS: Shux. |
| 22:22.55 | abrotman | heyyou: 2.6 usb ? |
| 22:23.00 | peterS | yeah, oh well. |
| 22:23.09 | buu | peterS: Anyways. Is there anyway I can tell if a reboot will bring it back in to a usable state? |
| 22:23.24 | abrotman | !aussiesmite Phated |
| 22:23.25 | dpkg | Phated: fair dinkum mate |
| 22:23.36 | peterS | buu: well, if you have a typical install there's no reason it shouldn't. but one never can be sure of these things without trying |
| 22:24.00 | buu | peterS: ... The point is to not be unsure =/ |
| 22:24.10 | buu | peterS: Can't I check which services are set to autostart and stuff? |
| 22:24.20 | jlj_ | boo: just a note, ctrl-g seemed to release the cursor for ut2k4, not sure if this is a general combination though |
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| 22:24.46 | buu | jlj_: Er, weird. Is that a WM setting? |
| 22:24.48 | peterS | buu: yeah, I hear ya. you can look in /etc/rc2.d/ to make sure services are in there, but the main problems one gets at boot time are things like the initrd not bringing up the root filesystem correctly, or one of the filesystems failing to fsck |
| 22:24.49 | Boter | [Wed Aug 24 22:57:30 2005] [error] System: Connection reset by peer (errno: 104) |
| 22:24.49 | Boter | [Wed Aug 24 23:49:52 2005] [error] [client 193.95.206.26] Directory index forbidden by rule: /opt/psa/admin/htdocs/ |
| 22:24.52 | Boter | this is error |
| 22:25.13 | heyyou | anyone able to help? |
| 22:25.13 | buu | peterS: =[ |
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| 22:25.28 | buu | Boter: We care! |
| 22:25.38 | jlj_ | buu: nothing I have configured at least ;), I think it might be part of the game code. |
| 22:25.42 | peterS | buu: this is why network-controlled power switches and serial consoles are so cool. expensive, but cool. |
| 22:25.44 | buu | jlj_: That would be.. weird. |
| 22:25.45 | abrotman | heyyou: i asked you a question |
| 22:25.49 | buu | peterS: Yeah =/ |
| 22:25.56 | buu | peterS: Maybe I'll submit a trouble ticket dealy |
| 22:25.57 | heyyou | abrotman: i answered |
| 22:26.10 | abrotman | heyyou: no you didn't |
| 22:26.18 | peterS | buu: yeah, make sure ahead of time that you know how to call the hosting provider, or submit a trouble ticket, or whatever |
| 22:26.26 | abrotman | heyyou: it's a 2.6 kernel and a usb mouse ? |
| 22:26.41 | heyyou | abrontman: its 2.6 kernel but not usb |
| 22:26.50 | abrotman | !2.6mouse |
| 22:26.50 | stew | heyyou: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 22:26.53 | abrotman | bah . |
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| 22:27.29 | stew | !2.6 mouse is also see also <devinputmice> |
| 22:27.29 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 22:29.06 | heyyou | abrotman: any hints? |
| 22:29.10 | buu | peterS: Yeah, I just investigated that |
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| 22:29.24 | abrotman | !2.6 mouse |
| 22:29.25 | dpkg | i heard 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)), or see also <devinputmice> |
| 22:29.27 | abrotman | heyyou: ^^ |
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| 22:31.13 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: ping! |
| 22:31.22 | heyyou | abrotman: i tried the paux ps/2 mouse setting and that didn't work either |
| 22:31.31 | abrotman | heyyou: /dev/input/mice |
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| 22:31.57 | heyyou | abrotman: when i select that setting if doesn't give me any option on what type of mouse to select |
| 22:31.59 | abrotman | !phillysmite peterS |
| 22:32.07 | peterS | ouch |
| 22:32.10 | abrotman | heyyou: that's ok |
| 22:32.22 | stew | !devinputmice |
| 22:32.22 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. Sometimes you need to `modprobe mousedev`. It doesn't always take care of itself. ;-) |
| 22:32.27 | heyyou | abrotman: k thanx but that setting doesn't work |
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| 22:32.38 | abrotman | heyyou: then you need to check your X logs .. and your kernel logs |
| 22:32.41 | peterS | stew: dude? /dev/input/mice with a PS/2 mouse in kernel 2.4 is not going to work |
| 22:32.55 | abrotman | heyyou: i can't read your logs .. but you can tell me if say .. your kernel sees the mouse .. or look for EE lines in your X logs |
| 22:32.57 | stew | dpkg: i didn't write the factoid |
| 22:32.59 | stew | err |
| 22:33.03 | peterS | stew: nor with a serial mouse, nor with a bus mouse |
| 22:33.07 | abrotman | !factinfo devinputmice |
| 22:33.07 | dpkg | devinputmice -- last modified at Sat Jul 16 15:56:14 2005 by resiak!~will@resiak.user; it has been requested 14 times, last by stew, 46s ago. |
| 22:33.10 | abrotman | resiak: ! |
| 22:33.11 | heyyou | abrotman: i have there is an error on no input pointer dectected and or no mouse |
| 22:33.17 | abrotman | heyyou: where? |
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| 22:34.02 | heyyou | abrotman: i do remember seeing something about EE lines and its not detecting the mouse however the mouse works cuz i'm using it right now |
| 22:34.19 | abrotman | because ? |
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| 22:34.30 | stew | peterS: please fix it if its incorrect |
| 22:34.31 | abrotman | heyyou: you mean you have gpm running ? |
| 22:34.43 | heyyou | i'm on windows right now |
| 22:34.46 | heyyou | works fine |
| 22:35.24 | ralf | hi |
| 22:35.51 | stew | chrisben: its probably not worth it |
| 22:36.12 | ralf | i need a program that says the cpu usage, it must written in C, and use only libc6, without glib |
| 22:36.17 | abrotman | heyyou: you have to reboot to try these suggestions .. and there are many text based irc clients for debian |
| 22:36.26 | peterS | stew: best just to get rid of the factoid and whatever references it. it gives no new information AFAICT |
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| 22:36.33 | peterS | stew: I mean, no new *correct* information |
| 22:37.17 | buu | ralf: So go hire someone to write it! |
| 22:37.34 | ralf | don't joke, it's important |
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| 22:37.48 | ralf | i have to do with some embedded linux systems |
| 22:38.22 | heyyou | abrotman: i used one before but forget what it was called |
| 22:38.33 | Mxyzpltk | ralf: what kind of cpu usage? like load average? |
| 22:38.39 | ralf | Mxyzpltk: yes |
| 22:38.44 | abrotman | heyyou: irssi-text |
| 22:38.55 | ralf | busybox's top doesn't works |
| 22:38.56 | Mxyzpltk | ralf: like "cat /proc/loadavg" ? |
| 22:38.58 | maj | where put initial init run level in initab ?? |
| 22:39.00 | ralf | i'll try |
| 22:39.16 | ralf | 0.00 0.00 0.00 1/18 1352 |
| 22:39.22 | stew | dpkg: forget devinputmice |
| 22:39.22 | heyyou | k |
| 22:39.22 | dpkg | i forgot devinputmice, stew |
| 22:39.24 | ralf | how this reads? |
| 22:39.52 | stew | dpkg: 2.6 mouse is s#or see also <devinputmice>## |
| 22:39.52 | dpkg | ...but 2.6 mouse is already something else... |
| 22:40.00 | stew | dpkg: 2.6 mouse =~ s#or see also <devinputmice>## |
| 22:40.00 | dpkg | stew: that doesn't contain 'or see also <devinputmice>' |
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| 22:40.05 | stew | dpkg: 2.6 mouse =~ s#see also <devinputmice>## |
| 22:40.05 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'see also <devinputmice>', stew |
| 22:40.20 | chrisben | does anyone know much about pptpd? I'm trying to set it up and I'm thinking I'm having problems with patch versions, my pppd has support for it I'm sure, and I patched my kernel, but am thinking maybe I used the wrong patch ... Should the new kernel patch have the BSD liscence, or the openssl liscense in it ? |
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| 22:41.10 | fwtest | i use iptables 1.3.1, using masquerade rule, if i send tcp packet with all flags sets, i see iptables wont masquerade it, is that a bug or what is happening? |
| 22:41.24 | abrotman | #iptables |
| 22:41.38 | peterS | stew: I think I beat you to it, in /msg with dpkg |
| 22:41.42 | fwtest | abrotman, iptables dead |
| 22:41.44 | stew | yeah :) |
| 22:41.56 | epsilon | yea use ipchains |
| 22:42.09 | abrotman | fwtest: they know more than us |
| 22:42.13 | abrotman | don't fucking use ipchains |
| 22:42.21 | fwtest | abrotman, noone answers |
| 22:42.21 | epsilon | :P |
| 22:42.26 | orfeu | by all |
| 22:42.32 | abrotman | fwtest: they will .. they are all eating |
| 22:42.34 | SimonRaven | dude, your question was cryptic |
| 22:42.34 | Mxyzpltk | ralf: man proc and search for loadavg |
| 22:42.51 | SimonRaven | "fwtest : i use masquerading, i try to send tcp packet with all flag set, i see iptables wont masquerade it, what is wrong?" |
| 22:43.00 | fwtest | well, then i'll wait another half hour |
| 22:43.02 | SimonRaven | a number of things |
| 22:43.04 | abrotman | SimonRaven: let me translate |
| 22:43.10 | SimonRaven | could be anything |
| 22:43.20 | abrotman | SimonRaven: I'm trying to do something iptables isn't designed to do .. help me :) |
| 22:43.35 | epsilon | .oO (is the WLAN cable plugged in?) |
| 22:43.38 | fwtest | SimonRaven, what could be? |
| 22:44.32 | SimonRaven | i can't know what's wrong until you provide more info |
| 22:44.53 | SimonRaven | we're not going to read your mind |
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| 22:45.19 | osama | hi, what is the simliar command for pico ~./cshrc but for the bash shell |
| 22:45.41 | SimonRaven | bashrc ... |
| 22:45.41 | nvz | osama: .bashrc |
| 22:45.46 | beardy | osama: nano ~.bashrc |
| 22:45.59 | underdog | beardy it's ~/.bashrc |
| 22:46.05 | SimonRaven | ~/.foo fyi |
| 22:46.08 | beardy | yes I know.. |
| 22:46.22 | underdog | oh :) |
| 22:46.27 | beardy | to light on the finger :) |
| 22:46.45 | nvz | I think mped should be installed instead of nano, on the grounds that nano sucks and mped sucks less |
| 22:46.56 | werw | Is dpkg off? |
| 22:47.10 | SimonRaven | off what? |
| 22:47.18 | underdog | tdr: the bottleneck was on the buffer... that's why it was taking so long. now without fb it's lightning fast |
| 22:47.20 | nvz | dpkg, off? |
| 22:47.22 | newmanbe | It said something not too long ago. |
| 22:47.32 | SimonRaven | off its rocker? off on a drinking binge? |
| 22:47.34 | fwtest | SimonRaven, http://pastebin.com/345485 |
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| 22:47.39 | fwtest | iptables-restore |
| 22:47.47 | fwtest | ermm, save i mean |
| 22:47.50 | abrotman | nvz: sex! |
| 22:47.53 | abrotman | err joe ? |
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| 22:48.11 | werw | The bot |
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| 22:48.22 | beardy | nvz: nano is the first thing that comes to my mind when someone says pico, but you're probably right |
| 22:48.40 | dpkg | i guess off is the opposite of on |
| 22:48.47 | nvz | I think nano is in base |
| 22:48.56 | beardy | That too. |
| 22:49.07 | nvz | nothing like a shitty unwanted package in base |
| 22:49.21 | beardy | :) |
| 22:49.27 | SimonRaven | fwtest: WTf are you doing that? what do you think that does? |
| 22:49.40 | abrotman | SimonRaven: do you need more translations ? |
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| 22:50.15 | nvz | mped at least has syntax highlighting and a yank command and doesnt have like 9 lines taken up by bs |
| 22:50.17 | beardy | nvz: To each his own though. |
| 22:50.38 | abrotman | joe! |
| 22:50.41 | SimonRaven | abrotman: no, i'm ok |
| 22:50.42 | fwtest | SimonRaven, line 21: dnat, line 23-24 masquerade |
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| 22:51.03 | SimonRaven | fwtest: i know that, i'm asking the questions right now, please reply |
| 22:51.04 | abrotman | SimonRaven: sorry .. i was joking :) |
| 22:51.07 | CrocoJet | I have 3 videos board in my computer .. how to setup hotplug to load only one (load modules). I have others systems that use others ones. |
| 22:51.09 | NeoFax | Anyone know where I can get a cdemu deb file for a 2.6.11 kernel? |
| 22:51.11 | SimonRaven | abrotman: :) |
| 22:51.14 | nvz | hey joe, where you goin with that gun in your hand |
| 22:51.15 | hiway | if this is a wildly inappropriate place to ask network security questions, just yell at me and I'll gladly bugger off :) anyway, My debian box is getting a staggering (though not so staggering as to work as much of a syn flood) number of tcp syn packets from a few different domains. 1) is this something I need to worry about, 2) what would be the easiest way to stop it? |
| 22:51.25 | abrotman | CrocoJet: blacklist the modules |
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| 22:51.35 | fwtest | SimonRaven, wasnt that your question? |
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| 22:51.46 | CrocoJet | abrotman, how to do that ? where ? |
| 22:51.51 | SimonRaven | fwtest: no. read again |
| 22:52.04 | resiak | peterS: I didn't write that factoid, merely added to it. |
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| 22:52.12 | abrotman | !tell CrocoJet about blacklist |
| 22:52.16 | eXistenZ | Why the removed packages are not removed completely from my system? |
| 22:52.25 | peterS | resiak: oh ok. whoever did write it has some very odd ideas |
| 22:52.29 | abrotman | eXistenZ: man dpkg .. look for purge information |
| 22:52.32 | pipeline | eXistenZ: Key word: purge |
| 22:52.41 | fwtest | SimonRaven, you are asking what those rules do? |
| 22:52.52 | resiak | peterS: It's always worked for me, but then I've always used 2.6 with Debian. |
| 22:52.52 | abrotman | !hire pipeline |
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| 22:52.54 | bsims | hey I need help I upgraded my kernel to 2.6 now mplayer can't find /dev/dvd or /cdrom, I have /dev/dvd and /etc/cdrom pointing to the correct places as eject works as expected... sg_scan shows them as sg0 and sg1 though |
| 22:52.58 | SimonRaven | fwtest: no, i'm asking what you think those rules do |
| 22:53.09 | peterS | resiak: that makes all the difference in the world, as it happens |
| 22:53.19 | resiak | peterS: I'm aware of that ;) |
| 22:53.31 | fwtest | SimonRaven, i answered that, those rule do dnat and masquerading |
| 22:53.34 | bsims | hey I need help I upgraded my kernel to 2.6 now mplayer can't find /dev/dvd or /cdrom, I have /dev/dvd and /etc/cdrom pointing to the correct places as eject works as expected... sg_scan shows them as sg0 and sg1 though |
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| 22:54.53 | nvz | they are called cakes not pucks |
| 22:54.55 | abrotman | ok .. don't stick around .. we won't help |
| 22:54.56 | SimonRaven | fwtest: the MASQ rules don't make sense to me. this is why i'm asking you what you're trying to do there |
| 22:55.04 | abrotman | nvz: you should probably not admit you know that again |
| 22:55.34 | dan2_ | abrotman: ahoy |
| 22:55.39 | dan2_ | abrotman: so how do I get my ID? |
| 22:55.39 | dan2_ | ;) |
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| 22:55.57 | fwtest | SimonRaven, the masq rules arenot relevant, i asked about dnat |
| 22:55.58 | abrotman | dan2_: he said dmv .. |
| 22:56.11 | abrotman | dan2_: i swear to some mystical dude .. |
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| 22:56.27 | dan2_ | abrotman: didn't you tell him the dmv doesn't issue ids under 16 |
| 22:56.34 | abrotman | dan2_: he said they do |
| 22:56.40 | dan2_ | abrotman: thats bullshit |
| 22:56.43 | dan2_ | abrotman: I called them up |
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| 22:57.00 | abrotman | dan2_: he also said that you might have to hassle them because at 15 you're not legally allowed to pee without permission |
| 22:57.13 | dan2_ | abrotman: I should sue the DMV of Pennsylvania |
| 22:57.21 | abrotman | dan2_: call another dmv |
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| 22:57.24 | dan2_ | abrotman: dude, they wouldn't do it |
| 22:57.26 | SimonRaven | fwtest: uh, you said masq at first, but anyway... you trying to forward packets on port 22 from foo to bar |
| 22:57.29 | dan2_ | abrotman: I called 'PennDOT' |
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| 22:57.35 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 22:57.38 | abrotman | dan2_: not your local dmv office? |
| 22:57.57 | dan2_ | the local dmv office doesn't even have an answering machine |
| 22:58.05 | abrotman | dan2_: they have working hours :) |
| 22:58.06 | dan2_ | abrotman: yes, I called local dmv too |
| 22:58.19 | dan2_ | abrotman: you mean 2:00pm - 2:02pm |
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| 22:58.20 | dan2_ | ;) |
| 22:58.29 | fwtest | SimonRaven, ahh right, i said about masq at first, i get a little bit confused, because i have either masq and dnat problem |
| 22:58.40 | abrotman | dan2_: they're supposed to do it ... that's all he said .. besides that he thinks kids should be in school year round or something |
| 22:58.54 | abrotman | SimonRaven: *plonked* right ? |
| 22:58.54 | Boter | hmm |
| 22:59.02 | Boter | why system sees only 900MB of ram? |
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| 22:59.06 | Boter | i have 2 gig |
| 22:59.08 | abrotman | oh .. guess not |
| 22:59.08 | fwtest | SimonRaven, ok, let us talk about masq problem first |
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| 22:59.14 | abrotman | Boter: uname -r |
| 22:59.27 | abrotman | fwtest: ask #iptables .. read lartc.org .. read netfilter.org |
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| 22:59.32 | dan2_ | abrotman: do I get to talk to him? |
| 22:59.34 | SimonRaven | abrotman: yeh, dan2_ |
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| 22:59.44 | abrotman | dan2_: talk to who? |
| 22:59.50 | dan2_ | abrotman: your govt friend |
| 22:59.51 | nvz | Boter: computers dont see ram, they feel it.. heh |
| 22:59.52 | Boter | 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 22:59.56 | abrotman | dan2_: oh .. he doesn't do freenode |
| 22:59.59 | nvz | you actually have to put it all in there first |
| 23:00.05 | dan2_ | abrotman: I do everything, pass me his IM |
| 23:00.07 | abrotman | Boter: why are you running woody |
| 23:00.11 | SimonRaven | fwtest: see abrotman's comments, seems like a common thing you're doing, it's covered there |
| 23:00.12 | ArchitectSinan | i've got a DVD of Sarge (3.1r0a). I downloaded it from a "torrent". But when i checked it inside the debian installer it says the DVD is not valid (it uses the MD5 checksums). Now i decided to obtain the DVD image from the .jigdo files. Now jigdo asks me if i have old CDs/DVDs. Should i answer "yes" and give jigdo the packages from the old corrupt DVDrom or not ? |
| 23:00.12 | fwtest | abrotman, i asked there, no one answer, i read lartc.or and netfilter.org and some other craps |
| 23:00.20 | SimonRaven | 2.4.18-bf2.4 ? ick |
| 23:00.21 | abrotman | dan2_: uhm .. no .. he's also big into privacy .. he'd kill me :) |
| 23:00.21 | Boter | abrotman, why not? |
| 23:00.30 | Boter | SimonRaven, i'm in the way to recompile |
| 23:00.31 | Boter | :) |
| 23:00.32 | abrotman | Boter: because it's old .. and old ? |
| 23:00.34 | Boter | but i collect info |
| 23:00.35 | Boter | :) |
| 23:00.45 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 23:00.47 | abrotman | !d-i Boter |
| 23:00.48 | dpkg | Boter, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 23:01.32 | fwtest | SimonRaven, do you see any weird masq rule there? sending tcp packet with all flags set from foo to bar through fw, i see on bar ip from foo |
| 23:01.41 | abrotman | fwtest: ask #iptables .. read lartc.org .. read netfilter.org |
| 23:02.03 | fwtest | abrotman, i asked there, no one answer, i read lartc.or and netfilter.org and some other craps |
| 23:02.09 | abrotman | just god damn wait |
| 23:02.10 | abrotman | !piav |
| 23:02.11 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 23:02.11 | Boter | so 2.4.18-bf2.4 is too old to see that much ram, or i need to enable something when recompiling? |
| 23:02.21 | abrotman | Boter: it's also totally insecure |
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| 23:02.27 | drac | and only a boot floppy |
| 23:02.33 | Boter | abrotman, i know |
| 23:02.42 | Boter | system is dedicted and admins just installed |
| 23:02.43 | Boter | :) |
| 23:02.43 | abrotman | !d-i Boter |
| 23:02.44 | dpkg | Boter, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:02.45 | Boter | now i recompile |
| 23:03.01 | abrotman | !tell Boter about woody->sarge |
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| 23:03.16 | beardy | Boter: If you just installed, do what dpkg told you. |
| 23:03.22 | djperegrine | whenever I do su it says setgid: Operation not permitted :( |
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| 23:04.15 | Boter | abrotman, but plesk works on sarge? |
| 23:04.25 | abrotman | Boter: i don't know .. i didn't buy it. . you did |
| 23:04.31 | Arafangi1n | Boter: How much ram is it? |
| 23:04.37 | abrotman | Boter: but woody will only be supported for about 9 more months |
| 23:04.42 | Boter | 2048 |
| 23:04.43 | abrotman | !highmem |
| 23:04.44 | dpkg | i heard highmem is what you should enable if you have a Gig of RAM and Linux claims you only have 900MB. See http://lists.kernelnotes.de/linux-kernel/Week-of-Mon-20010514/004675.html |
| 23:04.52 | SimonRaven | !listvals iptables |
| 23:04.54 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'iptables' by value (15 of 34): agt ;; basic firewall ;; dnat ;; ecn ;; freeswan ;; gshield ;; ipac-ng ;; ipmasquerade ;; iproute ;; iptables help ;; iptables howto ;; masquerading ;; newuserdocs ;; start a firewall war ;; transparent proxy. |
| 23:04.59 | abrotman | Boter: i'm telling you to install sarge |
| 23:05.05 | SimonRaven | !iptables howto |
| 23:05.06 | dpkg | methinks iptables howto is at http://www.linuxguruz.org/iptables/howto/iptables-HOWTO.html |
| 23:05.09 | abrotman | Boter: using woody is a waste of your time |
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| 23:05.34 | SimonRaven | !iptables help |
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| 23:05.35 | dpkg | from memory, iptables help is /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/* |
| 23:05.36 | ArchitectSinan | shall i repeat my question or nobody nows the answer really ;( |
| 23:05.48 | SimonRaven | grr, where is that thing? |
| 23:05.49 | Boter | well i have license for plesk |
| 23:05.57 | Boter | so if it dont work in sarge i wont install it |
| 23:06.03 | adjacent | is there a debian way to build the nvidia module for 2.6? |
| 23:06.14 | abrotman | !tell adajacent about nvidia one liner |
| 23:06.20 | abrotman | !tell adjacent about nvidia one liner |
| 23:06.20 | Arafangi1n | Boter: You won't get security updates, though. |
| 23:06.46 | adjacent | abrotman: thats hot. thanks =) |
| 23:06.53 | abrotman | hot? |
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| 23:07.10 | adjacent | eeh. cool? |
| 23:07.13 | SimonRaven | ArchitectSinan: no. why would you give it crap data? |
| 23:07.17 | Epilog | hi there |
| 23:07.23 | maj | ok sorry need bootstrap urls again :( |
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| 23:07.31 | abrotman | adjacent: oh .. like icy hot! ... oxymoron ! :) |
| 23:07.33 | Epilog | I'm having some file corruptions every time I get a power failure |
| 23:07.39 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 23:07.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>. Useful for installing in a chroot. Also ask me about <chroot install> |
| 23:07.40 | Epilog | i did a xfs_info and found out that my XFS log is version=1 |
| 23:07.41 | PerfDave | Epilog: Get a UPS :) |
| 23:07.47 | Epilog | could this be the problem? |
| 23:07.53 | Epilog | how do I change or upgrade it to version 2? |
| 23:08.05 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 23:08.05 | dpkg | i heard filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 23:08.24 | abrotman | Epilog: read the reiser one .. it applies to xfs also |
| 23:08.30 | abrotman | from the second link i mean |
| 23:08.31 | adjacent | btw, thats not quite a "one-liner" imho =) |
| 23:08.41 | abrotman | adjacent: sure it is |
| 23:08.56 | adjacent | hehe |
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| 23:09.23 | Arafangi1n | How do I find out what pkg's I've pinned, and how to (individually) unpin them? |
| 23:09.25 | bsims | Arrggh udev has decided to map my dvd and cdplayer to /dev/sg0 and 1 how would I fix this? |
| 23:09.53 | abrotman | not use udev ? |
| 23:10.15 | Arafangi1n | bsims: What's wrong with /dev/sg{0,1} ? |
| 23:10.16 | bsims | abrotman: heh I /like/ the speed of 2.6 but this is asinine |
| 23:10.28 | bsims | Arafangi1n: no mplayer for one |
| 23:10.34 | bsims | no xine |
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| 23:10.43 | abrotman | bsims: change your /dev/dvd symlinks ? |
| 23:10.55 | bsims | I have my fstab setup correctly as eject works but neither will play |
| 23:10.58 | SimonRaven | Arafangi1n: if you put them on hold, it's different than having them pinned |
| 23:11.06 | Arafangi1n | bsims: You configure exactly how you want udev to operate, and you don't _have_ to use udev just because you're using 2.6 |
| 23:11.08 | Boter | hmm |
| 23:11.17 | Boter | why hotplug doesent output anything? |
| 23:11.24 | ArchitectSinan | SimonRaven: thank you |
| 23:11.25 | bsims | Arafangi1n: where would I do that? |
| 23:11.36 | Arafangi1n | SimonRaven: I installed some packages after installing apt-listbugs, and have pinned some packages. |
| 23:11.44 | Arafangi1n | bsims: Where? |
| 23:11.52 | Arafangi1n | bsims: Several places ;) |
| 23:12.21 | adjacent | ack, xserver-xfree86 is broken or not fully installed... hmm |
| 23:13.38 | bsims | heh are they sure this is an improvement? |
| 23:14.42 | Arafangi1n | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:14.52 | Boter | where can i see processor i have in serv? |
| 23:15.02 | Arafangi1n | How might I fix that :( I've checked bts, but nothing explicitly states that it can't be installed. |
| 23:15.28 | Arafangi1n | Boter: "in serv"? |
| 23:15.37 | Boter | server |
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| 23:15.48 | Arafangi1n | Boter: cat /proc/cpuinfo or something. |
| 23:15.53 | alterego | Where does debian keep the grub stage1 and stage2 files? |
| 23:16.04 | Virtual | can I install more fonts than the default ones? like arial or times new roman or fixedys etc ? |
| 23:16.06 | Epilog | how can I do a disk scan to check for bad blocks? |
| 23:16.13 | Boter | oh ufcorse |
| 23:16.29 | zinx | alterego: depends.. the package's files, or the ones that are actually being used when you boot? |
| 23:16.53 | alterego | zinx: The packages files. |
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| 23:17.15 | sahwy | Hi |
| 23:17.17 | sahwy | It's possible to use colors on less pager? |
| 23:17.21 | alterego | zinx: I'm using grub on a different partition at the moment. |
| 23:17.22 | aero | anyone ever use innovation3d, and know of a channel or something for it? |
| 23:17.22 | maj | me trying AGAIN :) |
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| 23:17.55 | Boter | where can i find highmem in menuconfig? |
| 23:18.16 | alterego | Boter: It's in the processor configuration part I believe. |
| 23:18.20 | zinx | alterego: /boot/grub |
| 23:18.22 | Boter | ok |
| 23:18.25 | alterego | One of the first three anyhow. |
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| 23:18.31 | alterego | zinx: Wrong answer. |
| 23:18.41 | zinx | alterego: That is the debian answer for what you asked. |
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| 23:18.47 | zinx | alterego: perhaps you're in the wrong channel |
| 23:18.50 | Boter | is there saved .conf for kernel installed by default? |
| 23:18.54 | Boter | .config |
| 23:18.57 | alterego | zinx: No. |
| 23:19.09 | alterego | Boter: /proc/config.gz |
| 23:19.21 | zinx | alterego: try /lib/grub/i386-pc then |
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| 23:19.42 | alterego | zinx: Correct answer ;) |
| 23:19.47 | alterego | zinx: Thank you :) |
| 23:20.19 | maj | rm -f /* ?? |
| 23:20.26 | Boter | alterego, there is no such file |
| 23:20.33 | abrotman | Boter: /boot/config-* |
| 23:20.39 | abrotman | maj: no |
| 23:20.47 | Jeaton | ok, debian has 14 image cds, would I need them all to do a full install? |
| 23:20.47 | flipmcf | if I do `sudo emacs /etc/conffile` am I running emacs as root? |
| 23:21.04 | abrotman | Jeaton: have broadband ? |
| 23:21.09 | bsims | ok I got my damned dvd to work now for cdrom |
| 23:21.10 | alterego | Jeaton: To do a full install yes, though the very thought of that makes me feel kind of sick. |
| 23:21.12 | maj | if right it VERRY similar to format c:\ in dos/windblows |
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| 23:21.23 | abrotman | maj: what are you talking about? |
| 23:21.28 | osama | is there anyway to make csh recognize a csh script automatically? |
| 23:21.31 | maj | rm -f /* ?? |
| 23:21.39 | Jeaton | yeah, I have broadband but that's to much downloading even on my end |
| 23:21.40 | abrotman | maj: STOP |
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| 23:21.50 | abrotman | !d-i Jeaton |
| 23:21.51 | dpkg | Jeaton, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:21.58 | maj | <<< nuts AND bored |
| 23:22.03 | Boter | so |
| 23:22.04 | abrotman | maj: stop saying that |
| 23:22.14 | maj | nuts and bored ?? |
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| 23:22.23 | Boter | i can use config-2.4.18-bf2.4 for menuconfig? i mv file in .config and than recompile with it? |
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| 23:22.25 | SimonRaven | Jeaton: um, no you don't need to d/l all 14... |
| 23:22.27 | beardy | Jeaton: You can't install everything, some packages conflict with others. Install the things you need and want. |
| 23:22.35 | abrotman | !d-i boter |
| 23:22.36 | dpkg | boter, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:23.02 | abrotman | Boter: i'm really telling you .. you're wasting a lot of time |
| 23:23.12 | SimonRaven | Boter: GO. INSTALL. SARGE. OR. DIST-UPGRADE TO IT. |
| 23:23.21 | Jeaton | yeah, i dont think ill be planning to do a full installation anyway |
| 23:23.23 | Boter | ok ok |
| 23:23.26 | abrotman | Boter: and you're wasting our time also |
| 23:23.27 | Boter | i'm just recompiling :) |
| 23:23.32 | abrotman | Boter: NO NO NO |
| 23:23.36 | abrotman | NONONONONO |
| 23:23.37 | Boter | i can upgrade later |
| 23:23.43 | amp | hello my spanish galleons... if I go Applications / Desktop Preferences / Theme and then use the Install Theme... button to install one I've downloaded from art.gnome.org, nothing happens... WTF? |
| 23:23.43 | abrotman | god . fucking listen to us |
| 23:23.44 | flipmcf | jeez |
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| 23:23.54 | abrotman | we do this all god damn day .. FUCKING INSTALL SARGE |
| 23:24.04 | Jeaton | lol |
| 23:24.06 | flipmcf | eeek |
| 23:24.29 | abrotman | anyone who installs woody without good reason deserves to be hacked/cracked/owned/whatever |
| 23:24.36 | maj | trying a chroot install now |
| 23:24.37 | Boter | abrotman, i dont want ok? |
| 23:24.40 | eutopia | abrotman: lol |
| 23:24.42 | Boter | i have good reason |
| 23:24.43 | Jeaton | what the hell is woody |
| 23:24.46 | abrotman | Boter: like what? |
| 23:24.50 | Boter | you just tell if it will work what i said |
| 23:24.53 | roo9 | ls -lh |
| 23:24.58 | beardy | !woody |
| 23:24.58 | abrotman | Jeaton: an old soon to be unsupported version of debian |
| 23:24.58 | dpkg | methinks woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" |
| 23:25.02 | maj | sid is the experimental stuff right ?? |
| 23:25.03 | Jeaton | ah |
| 23:25.05 | Boter | it's my problem ... plesk runs only with woody so... i use woody |
| 23:25.08 | flipmcf | !potato |
| 23:25.08 | dpkg | somebody said potato was Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 23:25.25 | beardy | Boter: plesk? |
| 23:25.31 | abrotman | !woody is also Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release(July/2006) |
| 23:25.32 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 23:25.35 | Boter | smthing like cpanel |
| 23:25.37 | abrotman | eutopia: don't do that .. |
| 23:25.39 | maj | sid is the experimental stuff right ?? |
| 23:25.53 | gravity | maj: No, that's what experimental is for |
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| 23:25.59 | eutopia | Boter: you should use whatever you want to. pls dont worry about people who abuse you because of it. |
| 23:26.03 | abrotman | eutopia: if you can't address me in the channel ... then don't |
| 23:26.09 | eutopia | abrotman: what? |
| 23:26.16 | Boter | ok |
| 23:26.17 | PerfDave | maj: No, sid is the unstable stuff. |
| 23:26.23 | abrotman | -eutopia- why do you have so much hatred and biterness for people to wish upon them bad things? |
| 23:26.28 | maj | thought woody/potatoe OLD stuff ,sarge stable and sid "unstable" |
| 23:26.29 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:26.33 | Boter | once again |
| 23:26.35 | Boter | i can use config-2.4.18-bf2.4 for menuconfig? i mv file in .config and than recompile with it? |
| 23:26.36 | abrotman | if you can't address me in the channel .. don't address me |
| 23:26.38 | eutopia | abrotman: i dont have hatred and biterness, why do you claim I do? |
| 23:26.48 | abrotman | eutopia: you wrote that to me you damn moron |
| 23:26.49 | maj | so then unstable and experimental different ,ok |
| 23:26.53 | flipmcf | boater - it's your old config file? |
| 23:26.57 | flipmcf | Boter ^^^ |
| 23:27.04 | abrotman | Boter: really .. please please use sarge .. using woody will get you nothing good |
| 23:27.05 | maj | THAT clears alot up |
| 23:27.07 | eutopia | abrotman: no, you wrote it to me, and everyone just saw it as proof |
| 23:27.09 | Boter | it was installed on from cd |
| 23:27.12 | abrotman | eutopia: you're an ass |
| 23:27.21 | eutopia | abrotman: please stop sending me nasty messages |
| 23:27.23 | drac | Boter: use bootfloppy config, to.. config real kernel? umm, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 23:27.27 | abrotman | whatever .. fucking loser |
| 23:27.27 | Boter | abrotman, ok but when i recompile that kernel :) |
| 23:27.34 | flipmcf | Boter: I think you may want to check makeold config. I'm not a pro.. but read a man on it... see if it helps you. you might need it. |
| 23:27.37 | amp | ahem... 'nuff of the woody.... why can't I use the "Install Theme..." button to install a new theme? hep me! |
| 23:27.39 | abrotman | Boter: you won't have to! |
| 23:27.43 | flipmcf | Boter: makeoldconfig |
| 23:27.44 | abrotman | that's what we keep telling you |
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| 23:27.46 | gravity | Boter: Why don't you install sarge and use a woody chroot? |
| 23:28.00 | maj | some one told me that unstable in linux means ONLY 10 times more stable then windoze |
| 23:28.05 | gravity | Boter: That way you can have a decent system and only run plesk in woody |
| 23:28.07 | Boter | why schould i anyway use sarge? |
| 23:28.22 | green_earz | Boter: have a look at using make oldconfig option > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 23:28.22 | flipmcf | Boter, and satisfy all the hax0rs by simply disconnecting the machine from the 'net :) |
| 23:28.30 | flipmcf | until you upgrade to sarge |
| 23:28.41 | gravity | Boter: A lot of improvements have happened since woody. Woody is over 3 years old. |
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| 23:28.48 | flipmcf | Boter: sarge rocks. |
| 23:28.58 | flipmcf | Boter: lots of cool & better stuff ootb |
| 23:28.59 | maj | maybe run woody in bochs or vmware |
| 23:29.04 | abrotman | Boter: we wouldn't tell you to use sarge without a good reason |
| 23:29.34 | flipmcf | Boter: plus, all the default server & service installs come pre-locked down for your security pleasure. |
| 23:29.52 | abrotman | eutopia: please don't do that again |
| 23:29.58 | eutopia | abrotman: do what? |
| 23:30.00 | SimonRaven | yummay secure gnu/linux boxen |
| 23:30.05 | gravity | abrotman: /ignore |
| 23:30.06 | abrotman | haha .. stupid troll |
| 23:30.19 | flipmcf | use that word lightly, abrotman |
| 23:30.26 | flipmcf | :) |
| 23:30.30 | abrotman | flipmcf: why? .. it's true |
| 23:30.37 | eutopia | gravity: believe me, im not doing anything bad as he claims, he is just trying to get me banned |
| 23:30.39 | flipmcf | I love #debian :) |
| 23:30.44 | gravity | eutopia: /ignore |
| 23:30.55 | eutopia | gravity: great idea :) ty |
| 23:30.58 | maj | at least they awake in here |
| 23:30.58 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:31.11 | SimonRaven | oh come on... he wouldn't say that for kicks |
| 23:31.26 | abrotman | oh look .. stupid troll |
| 23:31.45 | amp | amp: look in ~/themes and see if there is a directory with the same name as the theme, e.g. Clearlooks |
| 23:31.45 | SimonRaven | /ig -replies eutopia |
| 23:31.51 | gravity | The newest plesk seems to run on sarge |
| 23:31.52 | SimonRaven | and be happy |
| 23:32.02 | abrotman | SimonRaven: she keeps notifying me .. and then claims she's not doing anything |
| 23:32.12 | abrotman | and yes .. now on ignore |
| 23:32.12 | gravity | abrotman: /ignore |
| 23:32.17 | gravity | Good |
| 23:32.19 | abrotman | gravity: i beat you! :) |
| 23:32.20 | flipmcf | hey, take it to #flood |
| 23:32.23 | amp | amp: well yes there is. so why wouldn't it show up in the Themes list when I go to Desktop Preferences -> Theme? |
| 23:32.23 | gravity | heh |
| 23:32.27 | SimonRaven | suggestion, /ig -replies eutopia |
| 23:32.47 | amp | amp: hmmm.. I don't know. maybe someone else here could help you. |
| 23:32.48 | Boter | how to unpack .patch.gz? |
| 23:32.54 | abrotman | eutopia won't addresss me directly because she's a troll from mepisland afaict |
| 23:32.56 | gravity | uh... |
| 23:33.01 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 23:33.07 | abrotman | Boter: what are you doing |
| 23:33.12 | Boter | ok i found it :) |
| 23:33.16 | abrotman | Boter: install sarge .. please please please install sarge |
| 23:33.18 | flipmcf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.20 | gravity | Boter: Dude... you're administering servers and you don't know this? |
| 23:33.22 | Boter | patching kernel with grsecurity |
| 23:33.26 | abrotman | Boter: you're doing really bad stuff now |
| 23:33.29 | Boter | i remembered :D |
| 23:33.30 | eutopia | i use Debian Sarge |
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| 23:33.44 | abrotman | Boter: you're doing REALLY DUMB STUFF |
| 23:33.56 | flipmcf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.59 | amp | amp: are you using Sarge? |
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| 23:34.11 | Boter | abrotman, why? |
| 23:34.11 | samuel | dpkg tell me about anacron |
| 23:34.11 | Virtual | how do I install the flash plugin for mozilla firefox? |
| 23:34.11 | amp | why yes. I'd use nothing but sarge! |
| 23:34.19 | abrotman | Boter: install sarge .. there is NO REASON YOU CAN"T INSTALL SARGE |
| 23:34.34 | gravity | abrotman: Just let him hurt himself |
| 23:34.34 | drac | Boter: you'd have sarge up and running by now.. but you chose to waste our, and your own time? :/ |
| 23:34.37 | Boter | it is |
| 23:34.39 | Boter | i dont want :D |
| 23:34.39 | abrotman | or upgrade to it |
| 23:34.46 | abrotman | fucking sunday |
| 23:34.48 | PerfDave | Boter: You're applying grsec to a kernel that has known vulnerabilities. |
| 23:34.48 | abrotman | *plonk |
| 23:34.56 | beardy | samuel: You can do '/msg dpkg anacron' too. |
| 23:35.00 | PerfDave | Boter: You will end up with an insecure system. |
| 23:35.05 | Gavrila | sunday? O_o |
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| 23:35.12 | Boter | PerfDave, i'm patching 2.4.31 |
| 23:35.13 | samuel | beardy, thanks i know, it just slipped my mind |
| 23:35.14 | abrotman | and probably pretty unstable too |
| 23:35.16 | samuel | sorry |
| 23:35.20 | Boter | ;) |
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| 23:35.33 | abrotman | Gavrila: /msg dpkg sunday |
| 23:35.35 | PerfDave | Boter: Oh, not 2.4.18-bf2.4 as you previously stated? |
| 23:35.45 | Boter | i just used config from it |
| 23:35.53 | flipmcf | that's his old config file from old make. |
| 23:35.58 | SimonRaven | Boter: grow a clue before you go fucking with things. PLEASE, for your sake, and everyone else's |
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| 23:36.09 | flipmcf | makeoldconfig && make menuconfig (or something to that effect) |
| 23:36.11 | SimonRaven | flipmcf: go link yourself |
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| 23:36.22 | abrotman | or at least get Boter help in his own language |
| 23:36.46 | gravity | Just let him do this to himself |
| 23:36.54 | gravity | If he wants to do stupid things and waste his time, that's his right |
| 23:37.15 | SimonRaven | and we gave him plenty of warnings, it,s his own foot-bullet |
| 23:37.55 | SimonRaven | def.: foot-bullt: when someone decides to shoot themselves in the foot by an acion or course of action |
| 23:38.00 | SimonRaven | bullet* |
| 23:38.05 | amp | (try this again) if I go Applications / Desktop Preferences / Theme and then use the Install Theme... button to install one I've downloaded from art.gnome.org, nothing happens... it gets extracted to ~/.themes but doesn't show up in the Themes list. Why? |
| 23:38.11 | SimonRaven | bah, i can't spell tonight |
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| 23:39.20 | abrotman | amp: is it possible it doesn't read that dir ? |
| 23:39.41 | amp | abrotman: don't know. how would I be able to tell? |
| 23:39.53 | abrotman | strace ? |
| 23:39.55 | SimonRaven | stupid useless non-working awstats exploits annoy me. go waste someone else's resources, you fucking skript kiddie moron |
| 23:41.17 | green_earz | Virtual: install flashplugin-nonfree you will need to add non-free to your apt souce list. "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" pick the low option, then apt-setup and pick the non-free option allso |
| 23:41.43 | adjacent | blah. 2.6 is killing me. upgrade and lose eth0 and my xserver is broken. what gives? |
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| 23:41.58 | adjacent | the eth card shows up in lspci |
| 23:42.01 | SimonRaven | @shoot adjacent |
| 23:42.10 | adjacent | =) |
| 23:42.12 | SimonRaven | thre, you're really dead now |
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| 23:42.37 | abrotman | adjacent: you have nvidia .. and broadcom ? |
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| 23:42.47 | adjacent | nah. davicom. using tulip drivers |
| 23:42.53 | abrotman | tulip bad |
| 23:42.56 | abrotman | used to be great .. |
| 23:43.01 | adjacent | i know, but i dont have another card here right now |
| 23:43.07 | gravity | Not anymore? That's a shame. |
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| 23:43.13 | SimonRaven | tulip good. well, dpeends on the card but mine don't suck =) |
| 23:43.20 | gravity | That was always the most solid one that I recall |
| 23:43.23 | abrotman | gravity: from what i've seen .. a lot of the cards that claim to be tulip .. no longer work |
| 23:43.24 | samuel | is there any package that i can use to check if services are running on a server from the web? |
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| 23:43.28 | gravity | Ah |
| 23:43.30 | adjacent | 21x4x dec-tulip |
| 23:43.36 | gravity | samuel: nmap? |
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| 23:44.19 | samuel | gravity, not like that :) i mean i run another service to check my running services that has a page in the web sort of thing |
| 23:44.22 | abrotman | adjacent: yeah .. i've seen it with many |
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| 23:44.39 | abrotman | adjacent: i wish they'd fix it .. maybe try old_tulip ? |
| 23:44.43 | abrotman | or whatever it's called |
| 23:44.44 | samuel | gravity, something that only requires a web browser to view? |
| 23:44.50 | adjacent | abrotman: you think its not going to work with this kernel? |
| 23:45.05 | adjacent | blah. lemme get ready for another recompile ;) |
| 23:45.07 | gravity | samuel: Ah, that I don't know. Sorry. |
| 23:45.12 | TeHHerzog | dose any one know the link to a good irc bot that is easy to use? |
| 23:45.14 | samuel | gravity, :) |
| 23:45.15 | abrotman | samuel: php (system("netstat -an")) :) |
| 23:45.24 | SimonRaven | eew |
| 23:45.30 | abrotman | adjacent: i've seen many that don't .. or at least i'm too stupid to get them working |
| 23:45.36 | SimonRaven | ripe for a r00t hole that one |
| 23:45.57 | adjacent | damn. what a tradeoff, ethernet card or sound card... |
| 23:46.07 | abrotman | adjacent: why doesn't sound work in 2.4? |
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| 23:46.43 | adjacent | it could, but it looked easier to config in 2.6, and im running unstable, so i need to get 2.6 working anyway |
| 23:46.45 | samuel | abrotman, thanks didnt think of that! |
| 23:46.50 | samuel | ill get on it |
| 23:46.53 | abrotman | samuel: you know enough PHP to do it ? |
| 23:47.09 | SimonRaven | s/do it/do it securely/ |
| 23:47.30 | samuel | abrotman, yes :) |
| 23:47.32 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you're just echoing text .. it's really no different than letting your system be nmapped |
| 23:47.48 | samuel | abrotman, you dont really need to know that much :) |
| 23:47.53 | Epix | hello, im trying to install quake3 point release on Debian. I get this error:No UI drivers available. ./setup.sh: line 213: 31788 Segmentation fault "$setup" "$@" 2>/dev/null \n The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1 |
| 23:48.02 | SimonRaven | uh, not quite. system() is potentially dangerous in any language |
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| 23:48.22 | abrotman | SimonRaven: oh .. that yes .. but hopefully he won't let people feed it a command |
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| 23:49.06 | SimonRaven | Epix: sh -x ./setup.sh and see where it pukes. see the relevant channel otherwise |
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| 23:51.17 | cafuego | eh, what? |
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| 23:52.58 | Epix | SimonRaven: no such file |
| 23:53.16 | werw | How can I save XCHAT's channels, to not having to open them on restart? |
| 23:53.40 | SimonRaven | Epix: what? |
| 23:53.53 | Epix | SimonRaven: its a .run file taht extracts itself |
| 23:53.54 | adjacent | werw: add them to default channels in the server list for any given server |
| 23:53.57 | Nwallins | hello, just rebooted to hd after sarge netinst and computer hangs during boot sequence after 'agpgart: Maximum memory to use 816M' (or similar) |
| 23:54.08 | abrotman | werw: use a text file |
| 23:54.16 | epsilon | what can cause that error? -> dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `identd' in statusoverride file |
| 23:54.18 | SimonRaven | Epix: so do that with the relevant file name... |
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| 23:55.03 | SimonRaven | i wouldn't get so many headaches if people used theirs more often |
| 23:55.55 | Nwallins | any idea how to troubleshoot a boottime lockup? |
| 23:55.58 | werw | Yes, thanks |
| 23:56.30 | epsilon | Nwallins: read the output on monitor? |
| 23:56.37 | Nwallins | yes, i pasted above |
| 23:56.41 | Nwallins | well, not pasted |
| 23:57.01 | Nwallins | copied it to the clipboard in my mind |
| 23:57.48 | Nwallins | i would guess that agpgart is hosed.. not sure |
| 23:58.01 | abrotman | Nwallins: pass a parameter to the kernel ? |
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| 23:58.42 | werw | editing /etc/modules.conf and remove agpgart? |
| 23:58.58 | Nwallins | werw: i can't boot.. editing is tough |
| 23:59.16 | werw | In extreme cases, replace videocard for PCI card |
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| 23:59.32 | werw | To not load agp modles |
| 23:59.36 | stew | werw: what does it say at the very top of modules.conf? |
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| 23:59.56 | drac | werw: agpgart is support for agp bus.. i don't see how removing card would do anything |
