| 00:00.24 | Nwallins | vga is built into mobo.. it's a 1u server Penguin Computing |
| 00:01.36 | werw | touching Bios settings? maybe AGP aperture size |
| 00:02.48 | werw | Reduce the amount of memory your card uses per default |
| 00:03.53 | kyle__ | I've used debian-installer to install another linux system in a directory of my server, and now I'm trying to boot up a diskless box using that system. Everything seems to work with the boot until it is about to start gettys and then it hangs. I think it's because right before that there are very few enteries in /dev (like no /dev/tty1,2,etc). Why aren't the device entries being created? |
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| 00:04.15 | Nwallins | yeah.. i guess i'll muck about with the bios settings.. thanks all |
| 00:04.23 | adjacent | damn, looks like this eth card wont work with 2.6.12 |
| 00:04.47 | cafuego | security.d.o broken again? |
| 00:04.56 | Epix | SimonRaven: sorry for stupidity. I get this a lot: + echo -n .\n.+ read a |
| 00:05.02 | Epix | then it crashes |
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| 00:06.49 | Gnea | ack! |
| 00:06.50 | Gnea | :/# /usr/sbin/base-config |
| 00:06.51 | Gnea | Terminated |
| 00:07.14 | Gnea | perhaps that's a good sign.... |
| 00:07.32 | PerfDave | kyle__: You've used debian-installer to install in a directory of your server? Isn't that what debootstrap is for? |
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| 00:10.22 | adjacent | hmm. www.debian.org is down |
| 00:11.00 | dondelelcaro | adjacent: so use www.nl.debian.org |
| 00:11.14 | dvs | netherlands? |
| 00:11.15 | adjacent | or .us.debian.org. just commenting |
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| 00:11.28 | kyle__ | PerfDave: hm, wasn't aware of that... |
| 00:11.37 | dondelelcaro | (or perhaps, www.us.debian.org) |
| 00:11.40 | PerfDave | kyle__: Or is this "directory" on a seperate partition? |
| 00:11.46 | dondelelcaro | since it appears that www.nl.debian.org is www.debian.org now |
| 00:11.59 | kyle__ | PerfDave: er, ack. yes I used debootstrap, sorry. been staring at debian-installer docs, so I called it the wrong thing |
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| 00:12.39 | Virtual | I just installed arts and I set gaim to use arts for sound but it still doesn`t return any sound, do I have to configure arts? |
| 00:13.06 | DoppelGanger | oh no |
| 00:13.22 | DoppelGanger | someone disabled my annoying as hell gaim/aim sounds the world will end hellppppp |
| 00:13.47 | maj | vesa basically "generic" graphics right ? |
| 00:14.04 | Virtual | DoppelGanger: yeah, very funny |
| 00:14.22 | drac | maj: right.. |
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| 00:16.21 | werw | what does eggdrop mainly? (ircbot) |
| 00:16.53 | kyle__ | PerfDave: well, I played some games with chroot and ran /dev/MAKEDEV update and I've got a bootable system now |
| 00:17.09 | dvs | Virtual: Did you ever have sound? |
| 00:17.11 | yoo | Hi ! |
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| 00:17.31 | cartel_ | security is down again? |
| 00:17.36 | NnEo0 | ??? |
| 00:17.45 | Ketter | werw: depends how it has been abused (scripts and so forth). |
| 00:17.56 | drac | NnEo0: english. |
| 00:18.21 | werw | what usable application does it have? |
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| 00:18.33 | yoo | i want to use the options --remove-destination and -p with command cp |
| 00:18.39 | PerfDave | !br |
| 00:18.39 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:18.40 | Ketter | werw: none |
| 00:18.41 | yoo | which is the good syntax ? |
| 00:18.41 | adjacent | NnEo0: www.us.debian.org |
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| 00:19.07 | Ketter | werw: although a lot of people find it usefull for "channel security" if irc-service are lacking on the irc-network in use |
| 00:19.07 | yoo | cp -a --remove-dsstination ? |
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| 00:19.25 | nvz | NnEo0: #debian-es is for spanish speakers |
| 00:19.25 | yoo | or cp -a--remove-destination |
| 00:19.27 | Supaplex | !es |
| 00:19.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:19.34 | NnEo0 | ok thanks |
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| 00:20.36 | NnEo0 | hey gente hola alguien sabe q pasa con pla pagina de debian no puedo ingresar a www.debian.org |
| 00:20.55 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:20.55 | amp | abortman: strace is VERY verbose and that was a learning experience. However, too verbose for my to quickly determine why the Theme would not install according to the instructions. |
| 00:20.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:20.59 | yoo | Somebody undrestand my question ? |
| 00:21.07 | abrotman | amp: got a URL .. i can try it |
| 00:21.07 | werw | NnEo0: debes ir al otro canal(#debian-es) |
| 00:21.08 | NnEo0 | o sorry i wrong way |
| 00:21.17 | cartel_ | can someone check on klecker? |
| 00:21.17 | amp | abortman: I tried copying the theme to /usr/share/themes w/o success |
| 00:21.27 | abrotman | amp: which theme .. and sarge? |
| 00:21.57 | amp | abrotman: sarge and http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/1009 |
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| 00:22.10 | abrotman | amp: ack .. i don't run metacity .. but that's why it doesn't show up there |
| 00:22.33 | abrotman | amp: i think that themes thing is for gtk themes |
| 00:22.49 | amp | hmm... I don't really understand how metacity and gnome work together (or don't) |
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| 00:23.34 | abrotman | amp: metacity handles the windows .. and some of the widgets . but you have to figure out how to change the metacity theme . |
| 00:24.21 | tech13 | i've got two machines, both debian sarge, one can play flash just fine, but on the other the flash player freezes, any suggestions on what to check? |
| 00:24.23 | abrotman | ack .. what a horrible theme! |
| 00:24.36 | Nosf3ratu | within a chroot, can you access serv[ers|ices] outside of the chroot? |
| 00:24.48 | Nosf3ratu | meaning, the main machine? |
| 00:24.51 | Nwallins | do i need to enable or set anything at install time to utilize smp (dual p3)? |
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| 00:25.36 | abrotman | amp: let me see |
| 00:25.44 | philip | Hey all. |
| 00:25.57 | PerfDave | Nwallins: You'll need to install a -smp kernel-image package |
| 00:26.04 | abrotman | amp: ok .. i think i have metacity going |
| 00:26.05 | philip | exit |
| 00:26.07 | Nwallins | PerfDave: ok, thanks |
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| 00:26.27 | Daffy-PKF | does the security update works for you? i get a timeout whet 'apt-get update' |
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| 00:26.42 | abrotman | amp: and fyi gtk2-engines-clearlooks exists as a package |
| 00:26.45 | Nwallins | i still can't boot, however, after messing with AGP bios settings. i guess i'll just repartion and reinstall |
| 00:26.45 | dvs | time to change the topic |
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| 00:26.59 | adjacent | Daffy-PKF: i think everyone does |
| 00:27.20 | xnet | hello everybody, any tips for getting flashplayer? |
| 00:27.24 | Daffy-PKF | adjacent> ok so it's not something i did wrong... |
| 00:27.40 | xhypno | Hey all. |
| 00:27.42 | adjacent | actually. you borke it for all of us. thanks |
| 00:27.46 | xhypno | I need some help |
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| 00:28.02 | werw | xnet: doenload from macromedia, untar/gz and copy to $HOME/.mozilla |
| 00:28.16 | werw | copy the .so files |
| 00:28.17 | tech13 | xnet: add 'non-free' to your apt/sources.list, aptitude update, aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree (might have name off a bit) |
| 00:28.47 | xnet | thanks |
| 00:28.51 | Daffy-PKF | adjacent> woooops! sorry lol |
| 00:28.57 | abrotman | amp: you there? |
| 00:29.20 | xhypno | anyone having problems hitting security.debian.org???? |
| 00:29.37 | Nwallins | i have trouble hitting the broad side of a barn |
| 00:29.39 | tech13 | xhypno, yeap |
| 00:29.42 | dvs | topic time |
| 00:29.44 | xhypno | lol |
| 00:29.44 | Daffy-PKF | xhypno> lol that's the question i just asked ^^ |
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| 00:30.01 | xhypno | Yeah, an update died at 57% |
| 00:30.16 | amp | abrotman: I'm back... sorry |
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| 00:31.04 | amp | abrotman: I don't really know that I'm running metacity myself. I've got whatever the install did for me. How can I tell/change? |
| 00:31.06 | abrotman | amp: ok .. i think i found it |
| 00:31.16 | SimonRaven | Epix: trying to read some var called a i think |
| 00:31.18 | abrotman | amp: og back into that theme thingie ... |
| 00:31.33 | xhypno | So, how upto date is Unstable package wise? |
| 00:31.42 | abrotman | amp: them click on theme details .. then click Window Border .. see clearlooks ? |
| 00:31.43 | amp | abrotman: I'm there. |
| 00:31.52 | zog-vsl | i am having hassles with security.debian.org, from seceral locations |
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| 00:32.14 | abrotman | amp: i have clearlooks in mine |
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| 00:32.33 | cartel_ | zog-vsl: subnet is down. probable link faliure at xs4all |
| 00:32.34 | Daffy-PKF | someone should put in the topic that security updates are down... |
| 00:32.36 | jerome | good evening all |
| 00:32.51 | amp | abrotman: doh! it only shows up in the window border tab under details. Thanks a kajillion! |
| 00:32.53 | xhypno | it would be helpful |
| 00:33.01 | abrotman | amp: i think you want the gtk+ theme also |
| 00:33.04 | nvz | two heads are better than one :P even though I can only get the 2nd to do 800x600 and I had to use 16 color depth for that |
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| 00:33.19 | amp | abrotman: the gtk+ theme is for the icons, etc? |
| 00:33.21 | cartel_ | ops in #d are rare |
| 00:33.34 | cartel_ | debhelper: set topic plz |
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| 00:33.39 | nvz | cartel_: ops are here |
| 00:33.40 | xhypno | lol, the workstation I am on right now has 2 19ins at 1280x1024 |
| 00:33.53 | nvz | cartel_: debhelper is an eggdrop bot |
| 00:34.16 | yoo | i do a backup with this command : cp -fra /etc /sauvegarde/etc |
| 00:34.28 | abrotman | amp: no idea .. i thought there were some themese that were a whole package |
| 00:34.31 | nvz | cartel_: read the freenode channel guidelines http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml |
| 00:34.32 | yoo | but my files on /sauvegarde/etc/ are always the same |
| 00:34.40 | yoo | somebody can help me ! |
| 00:34.44 | amp | abrotman: thanks for the help. |
| 00:34.59 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: pong! |
| 00:35.03 | abrotman | amp: the only reason i never switched to metacity was that it didn't do edge flipping |
| 00:35.17 | jerome | sometimes, I'd like to know who is using sftp on my home server (some friends have an account) if I'm about to update some things or lagging too much. Unfortunatly, using sftp doesn't make the user appear in w or who. Is there any way to know who is connected somehow (except by parsing manually /var/log/auth.log or ps output) ? |
| 00:35.22 | Daffy-PKF | is it possible to install only the ssh server via packages? or will it always install a client as well |
| 00:35.25 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: can you fix the hostmask for oper in -ot for one person that is not you or me |
| 00:35.25 | amp | abrotman: so how DO you change to/from metacity and whatever other option you could use? what is edge flipping? |
| 00:35.28 | xhypno | Man, I can't wait for newer packages in unstable. I want x.org already. |
| 00:35.45 | cartel_ | xhypno: use ubuntu |
| 00:35.49 | abrotman | amp: you have ot have another installed .. then .. `killall metacity && newwindowmanager &` |
| 00:35.49 | nvz | amp: switches workspaces by going off the edge of the screen |
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| 00:36.02 | abrotman | xhypno: it's in sid/unstable now |
| 00:36.04 | SimonRaven | xhypno: you're full of it, x.org is in sid already since weeks |
| 00:36.32 | xhypno | site isn't updated yet, still ass xfree 4.3.0 listed in unstable packages |
| 00:36.37 | xhypno | *hass |
| 00:36.42 | xhypno | *has |
| 00:36.43 | PerfDave | xhypno: unstable has xfree *and* xorg :) |
| 00:36.52 | xhypno | That I did not know. |
| 00:37.04 | abrotman | xhypno: get a new mirror |
| 00:37.08 | Nwallins | topicsmite |
| 00:37.15 | xhypno | Which ones do you guys suggest |
| 00:37.21 | tech13 | yoo, try /bin/cp -fa /etc /sauvegarde/etc (bypass any alias you might have set, -a already includes -R according to the manual) |
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| 00:37.31 | SimonRaven | get some more RAM for your brain, and maybe a new drive, seems it'S failing you |
| 00:37.34 | Guerin | xhypno: the one which works |
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| 00:37.43 | xhypno | real funny |
| 00:37.50 | nvz | cartel_: Point 2 in the guidelines " Don't keep channel operator privileges. " |
| 00:37.56 | yoo | tech13> thanks |
| 00:38.06 | nvz | this is really cool that the copy/paste works between synergy stations |
| 00:38.34 | abrotman | SimonRaven: iptables will do that :) |
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| 00:39.09 | nvz | speaking of iptables I think I may have to firewall just to avoid this annoying message |
| 00:39.11 | SimonRaven | other shite too. was wanting to go drumming, but some other stuff came up, so i couldn't go :( |
| 00:39.23 | axscode | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer |
| 00:39.25 | SimonRaven | phpgroupware is horribly borked |
| 00:39.29 | axscode | what happend to the site? |
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| 00:39.46 | dondelelcaro | axscode: use www.us.debian.org |
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| 00:39.53 | abrotman | axscode: www.nl.debian.org |
| 00:39.55 | tech13 | yoo, did it work? |
| 00:40.05 | yoo | i try |
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| 00:40.14 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> klecker (www.d.o) down, use www.us.debian.org | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | BTS: /msg dpkg bts | gcc/g++ 4.0 with new ABI in sid; beware breakage! | X.org is in sid | sid's libssl0.9.7 broken: /msg dpkg broken ssl | USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main |
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| 00:40.28 | dondelelcaro | diff: klecker down |
| 00:40.53 | yoo | i answer you in two minutess |
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| 00:41.03 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Would you mind me making you a 30-level op on #debian-offtopic, so that you can change stuff (without contravening Freenode's rules for staff)? |
| 00:41.07 | Daffy-PKF | what would be the minimum hardware requirement to do routing, firewall and dns? |
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| 00:41.19 | nvz | this Microsoft XboX MN-740 Wireless adapter i have on my new etch box keeps generating an error complaining that 10,0.0.17 (the xbox wireless brige) is sending invalid ICMP type 3, code 3 to broadcast 10.0.0.255 |
| 00:41.25 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: do me! |
| 00:41.27 | ricky_clarkson | Daffy-PKF: Depends what a firewall is. |
| 00:41.31 | ricky_clarkson | !pal abrotman |
| 00:41.37 | adjacent | Daffy-PKF: i have a badass little route/snort/firewall box on a 166MHz machine with 128megs ram |
| 00:41.40 | nvz | flooding my logs :P |
| 00:41.41 | abrotman | oh right .. because i'd .. do what with it ? |
| 00:41.45 | dondelelcaro | Daffy-PKF: depends how big the pipe is; probably anything bigger than a P100 will do it no problem. |
| 00:41.49 | ricky_clarkson | pwn? |
| 00:41.49 | Daffy-PKF | ricky_clarkson> just some simple rules with iptables |
| 00:41.50 | werw | Daffy-PKF: 486 16Mb RAM floppy? |
| 00:42.01 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: and why? .. what would i gain? |
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| 00:42.18 | pipeline | Daffy-PKF: As long as you're using PCI, you can get by with anything that will run Linux. Routing and NAT requires almost no CPU power or memory. If you avoid ISA cards, you're fine. |
| 00:42.25 | Daffy-PKF | i actually have a pentium 133, with only 15 M ram |
| 00:42.28 | adjacent | Daffy-PKF: doesnt handle much more than 12megs internal routing between wireless/100mbit lan and 8 megs to the wan |
| 00:42.32 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: I don't know, I just think you're a bit odd. Let's put it to the vote in -ot. |
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| 00:42.37 | nvz | the message only comes up on the box connected to the bridge |
| 00:42.50 | pipeline | Daffy-PKF: Yeah, that should be more than enough. If you need more RAM, paypal me shipping costs and you're golden :P |
| 00:43.08 | Daffy-PKF | pipeline> you sell ram? |
| 00:43.19 | dfc_ | is packages.d.o down as well? |
| 00:43.24 | adjacent | Daffy-PKF: get a recent kernel for good QoS |
| 00:43.28 | pipeline | Daffy-PKF: No, I'm just a nerd. Like most nerds, I have a gigantic bag of RAM from the 90s that's no longer useful :P |
| 00:43.31 | nvz | this thing works as a wireless bridge but it sure is annoying |
| 00:43.55 | nvz | I've found two "bugs" in it already and I've only been using it a few hours |
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| 00:44.04 | tech13 | my sshd only logs successful logins and invalid usernames, how do i get it to log valid usernames with bad public keys? (password auth disabled, public key only) |
| 00:44.05 | Daffy-PKF | pipeline> great, a friend will maybe find some for me, but if he don't i may need your help |
| 00:44.15 | dondelelcaro | dfc_: no, that machine is working |
| 00:44.32 | adjacent | Daffy-PKF: go to a junkyard and grab a few old boxes |
| 00:44.45 | dfc_ | dondelelcaro: the search just came across. it is awfully slow today |
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| 00:44.50 | ak | libgtk2-dev won't install on debian-testing |
| 00:45.11 | yoo | tech13 : no the same |
| 00:45.15 | Daffy-PKF | adjacent> hmmm, the problem is i don't know a lot about ram, and maybe i'll take something that won't be good for my box |
| 00:45.21 | ak | libgtk2.0-dev: |
| 00:45.21 | ak | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.22 | ak | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.22 | ak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:45.26 | dfc_ | dondelelcaro: it may be that firefox was waiting for the logo to load from w.d.o |
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| 00:45.32 | dondelelcaro | dfc_: probably |
| 00:45.34 | gentgeen__ | Daffy-PKF, have you looked at IPCop? I have one running on a 133MHz with 32MB RAM |
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| 00:45.46 | dfc_ | but it seems that firefox would timeout on the images early than it did |
| 00:45.50 | adjacent | anyone else see a slow down on mirrors.kernel.org since the main debian site went down? i cant seem to pull more than 300k down |
| 00:45.51 | tech13 | yoo, your files in /etc/ and /s/etc are different, right? (-a will match timestamps) |
| 00:45.52 | Hanji | Is there a way to make apt-get install prompt to automayically install recommended packages as well? |
| 00:45.55 | matteo | what happens to w.d.o? |
| 00:46.01 | dondelelcaro | matteo: /topic |
| 00:46.07 | ak | any body has any idea why is that happening? |
| 00:46.20 | adjacent | Daffy-PKF: gentgeen__: IPCop is nice, but take a look at SmoothWall |
| 00:46.23 | matteo | a moment |
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| 00:46.36 | dondelelcaro | matteo: just type /topic into your client |
| 00:46.37 | Daffy-PKF | gentgeen__> what's that? a distrib? |
| 00:46.49 | gentgeen__ | yes, a firewall, routing distro |
| 00:46.53 | matteo | dondelelcaro: doing so will erase it |
| 00:47.00 | dondelelcaro | matteo: no, it won't. |
| 00:47.03 | nvz | ak: broken package with unsatisfied dependancies is what it looks like to me |
| 00:47.06 | Daffy-PKF | gentgeen__> i'm in love with debian... and it's already installed |
| 00:47.12 | matteo | it don't because it is +t |
| 00:47.21 | matteo | kvirc erases topics with /topic |
| 00:47.21 | dondelelcaro | matteo: no, it won't, because you haven't given it an argument. |
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| 00:47.27 | matteo | sure |
| 00:47.33 | matteo | but kvirc has a bug |
| 00:47.35 | eutopia | whats the latest KDE out? 3.4? |
| 00:47.40 | gentgeen__ | adjacent, wasn't IPCop spun off of Smoothwall when Smoothwall starting getting a bit crazy with the licenceing stuff |
| 00:47.47 | abrotman | matteo: you can't change the topic here |
| 00:47.49 | dondelelcaro | if kvirc is doing that on /topic; it's totally broken. /quote TOPIC; should avoid the bug. |
| 00:47.50 | nvz | eutopia: #kde |
| 00:47.53 | gentgeen__ | Daffy-PKF, that is the only Non-Debian box in the house |
| 00:48.02 | eutopia | nvz: ty |
| 00:48.04 | gentgeen__ | it was just too easy to setup and maintain |
| 00:48.09 | Daffy-PKF | gentgeen__> i'll think about it... |
| 00:48.17 | adjacent | gentgeen__: i dunno. i dont use either very often. but my customers seem to like smoothwall over ipcop. (porobably because its prettier) |
| 00:48.17 | nvz | eutopia: my client lets me /topic #kde without joining |
| 00:48.29 | ak | nvz: but this is a standard debian package (libgtk2-dev).. how come it has unsatisfied dependencies |
| 00:48.29 | gentgeen__ | That is prob. it |
| 00:48.43 | dondelelcaro | !+depends libgtk2-dev etch |
| 00:48.45 | dpkg | Package 'libgtk2-dev' does not exist. |
| 00:48.55 | dondelelcaro | !+depends libgtk2.0-dev etch |
| 00:48.58 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-dev: depends on libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.6.8-1), libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.4.1-2), libpango1.0-dev (>= 1.5.1), libatk1.0-dev (>= 1.6.1-2), libx11-dev | xlibs-dev, libxext-dev | xlibs-dev, pkg-config |
| 00:49.08 | dondelelcaro | !+info libpango1.0-dev etch |
| 00:49.13 | dpkg | libpango1.0-dev: (Development files for the Pango), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.8.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 275 kB, Installed size: 1060 kB |
| 00:49.20 | gentgeen__ | IIRC smoothwall:IPCop::Redhat:Fedora |
| 00:49.21 | yoo | cp -fa --back /etc /sauvegarde/etc idem |
| 00:49.24 | yoo | Somebody know how say to cp to crush files ? |
| 00:49.36 | yoo | HELP ! |
| 00:49.39 | eutopia | nvz: ok |
| 00:49.44 | ak | i'm sorry.. it is libgtk2.0-dev |
| 00:49.45 | dondelelcaro | ak: so either you haven't run apt-get update; recently, or you've got a munged mirror. apt-get install libpango1.0-dev; should work no problem. |
| 00:49.46 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.53 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: question about access levels .. how do you make someone else a 30 ? |
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| 00:50.17 | Daffy-PKF | http://support.ap.dell.com/docs/systems/dzer/Specs.htm , that's my box, is it sufficent for a router/firewall ? |
| 00:50.18 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: you have to authenticate with chanserv |
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| 00:50.27 | Daffy-PKF | with 15M ram |
| 00:50.27 | curby | how often does cron look for updates in /etc/cron.d? I'm absolutely loving running sarge-ppc on a few mac minis of mine, but new files in /etc/cron.d seem to be consistently not picked up |
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| 00:50.38 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: authenticate .. the user? |
| 00:50.50 | gentgeen__ | yoo, what are you trying to do? |
| 00:50.50 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: oh .. i see |
| 00:50.58 | yoo | tech13 : yes my files in /etc/ and /sauvegarde/etc/ are different |
| 00:50.58 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: authenticate with the channel password in order to modify the access lists; /msg chanserv help identify |
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| 00:51.06 | curby | all the manpages say is changes to /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d are picked up automagically. last time i had this problem someone suggested reinstalling cron... that fixed it but is kinda dumb |
| 00:51.09 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i see now .. thanks |
| 00:51.12 | yoo | gentgeen__, a backup |
| 00:51.39 | dondelelcaro | curby: yes, they are picked up automatically assuming /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d are on a sane filesystem and you're running Debian's cron. |
| 00:51.58 | acidbeat311 | I am in need of linux programming resources. Does anyone know some good books on the kernel, device drivers, and the boot sequence? |
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| 00:52.17 | curby | dondelelcaro: all true. also owner and perms are all correct. how long should i have to wait before changes are noticed? |
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| 00:52.34 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: How do you authenticate with chanserv rather than nickserv? |
| 00:52.41 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, nm. |
| 00:52.53 | dondelelcaro | curby: it should happen every minute |
| 00:53.07 | gentgeen__ | yoo, looking at the man page --backup looks like it might need an arguement but -b does not |
| 00:53.18 | curby | dondelelcaro: hmm something's definitely wrong then heh |
| 00:53.24 | dondelelcaro | curby: if it's not, stop and restart cron and make sure the filesystem is recording the modification times properly. |
| 00:54.17 | ak | dondelelcaro: libpango1.0-dev has unmet dependencies. i just apt-get update'd from mirrors.kernel.org and ftp.debian.org |
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| 00:55.13 | curby | dondelelcaro: a-ha, perhaps i'm a fool. i know i set some partitions to not track modtimes |
| 00:55.21 | ak | dondelelcaro: libx11-dev or xlibs-dev, libxrender-dev... etc. are causing libpango1.0-dev's problem |
| 00:55.21 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: I know you were answering abrotman, but it was me who needed to know - so thanks for the chanserv help. |
| 00:55.28 | curby | dondelelcaro: or rather, those are access times ... hmm |
| 00:55.30 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: ah, no problem |
| 00:56.08 | curby | dondelelcaro: noatime is only on /var, not /etc |
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| 00:56.13 | dondelelcaro | curby: atimes are different; regardless, attach an strace to cron, and you should see what it is doing to those files; also, stat the crontab to make sure it's modification time/date looks sane |
| 00:57.00 | curby | dondelelcaro: changes to crontab used to work. it's files newly placed into /etc/cron.d that are ignored |
| 00:57.09 | dondelelcaro | ak: and why can't you install libx11-dev? |
| 00:57.21 | dondelelcaro | curby: what are the names of these files in /etc/cron.d? |
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| 00:58.34 | curby | dondelelcaro: strace shows it statting crontab and every file in /etc/cron.d except for the new one |
| 00:58.44 | dondelelcaro | curby: what is the name of this new file? |
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| 00:59.09 | curby | dondelelcaro: /etc/cron.d/loadmon.cron |
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| 00:59.18 | abrotman | runparts won't do files with a . |
| 00:59.18 | dondelelcaro | curby: you need to read man cron; more carefully |
| 00:59.29 | abrotman | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 00:59.29 | curby | a-ha |
| 00:59.38 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 00:59.38 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd60 is <felix_187> abrotman: presuming everything worked correctly, how could i get my wireless working? |
| 00:59.39 | dondelelcaro | curby: "they must consist solely of upper- and lower-case letters, digits, underscores, and hyphens." |
| 00:59.40 | underdog | hmmm |
| 00:59.47 | Lewoco | Ok, I could really use some help with this m4 question. I'm not sure where else to ask... Why does the following command not strip off the trailing ' $'? |
| 00:59.48 | Lewoco | patsubst(`patsubst(`$Revision: 0.1.0 $', `^\$\w+: ')', ` \$$') |
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| 00:59.52 | underdog | !beer me |
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| 00:59.57 | underdog | sweet |
| 00:59.59 | abrotman | i think man run-parts spells that out better |
| 01:00.06 | ricky_clarkson | underdog: Boddingtons sucks. |
| 01:00.11 | curby | i wonder if that was the problem last time... |
| 01:00.13 | maj | i'm getting time out error on debian website |
| 01:00.13 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: there are worse things |
| 01:00.20 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Always. |
| 01:00.21 | abrotman | maj: see the topic |
| 01:00.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah; run-parts just has really wierd options |
| 01:00.22 | underdog | ricky_clarkson: i had no idea |
| 01:00.31 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 01:00.39 | maj | okaaaaaaaaay |
| 01:00.54 | ricky_clarkson | I drink bitter, and I'd rather drink laaaager than boddingtons. |
| 01:00.59 | dondelelcaro | (since half the trick with runparts is figuring out which of the run-parts modes is being run) |
| 01:01.23 | ak | dondelelcaro: i think i found out the source of the problem, but don't know how to fix it. libx11-dev depends on xlibs-static-dev which in turn depends on zlib1g-dev which depends on zlib1g. I have zlib1g version 1:1.2.2-4.sarge.2 and zlib1g requires version 1:1.2.2-4 only |
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| 01:01.31 | maj | how long before back up ?? |
| 01:01.57 | abrotman | maj: it can take anywhere from 12 minutes to 12 weeks |
| 01:02.04 | ak | dondelelcaro: uninstalling zlib1g uninstalls half of the system |
| 01:02.13 | dondelelcaro | ak: this is what you get for having a sarge security line in your sources.list |
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| 01:02.32 | dondelelcaro | ak: apt-get install zlib1g=1:1.2.2-4 |
| 01:02.42 | ak | dondelelcaro: it is a testing security not sarge |
| 01:02.42 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever the proper version is) |
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| 01:03.13 | vinson | d |
| 01:03.24 | abrotman | e |
| 01:03.31 | vinson | sorry |
| 01:03.32 | vinson | :D |
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| 01:03.42 | jim | Hello... |
| 01:03.44 | vinson | man... my mouse isn't reconized :( |
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| 01:04.01 | abrotman | should it be? |
| 01:04.01 | ak | dondelelcaro: shouldn't i use security.debian.org testing?? |
| 01:04.10 | abrotman | ak: testing doesn't get security updates |
| 01:04.15 | maj | vesa is generic driver right ? |
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| 01:04.23 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:04.29 | abrotman | jim! |
| 01:04.35 | vinson | abrotman: it's been reconized when i do a "desktop config" at install |
| 01:04.36 | jim | I'm running gnome (which may or may not matter... but, sarge) and I'm looking for a postit app... what's the name and package name for one you like? |
| 01:04.40 | jim | eee! |
| 01:04.49 | vinson | this time i didn't do any "auto-config" this time |
| 01:04.49 | jim | heya abrotman |
| 01:04.55 | ak | dondelelcaro: thanks man.. that did the trick |
| 01:05.03 | vinson | tried to install just what i need, and now no mouse :( |
| 01:05.16 | abrotman | jim: right click on panel .. add to panel .. pick the one for the postits |
| 01:05.20 | ak | abortman: well where does security.debian.org testing get me then? |
| 01:05.26 | abrotman | ak: it doesn't |
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| 01:05.39 | jim | you mean that's a basic gnome app? |
| 01:05.41 | jim | heya rob |
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| 01:05.48 | abrotman | jim: it's a gnome applet |
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| 01:06.37 | abrotman | jim: find it? |
| 01:07.03 | jim | sure did. thank you |
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| 01:07.13 | nvz | hot shit there are two roaches in my pocket. the good kind of roaches :P |
| 01:07.30 | jim | nvz: the better roaches run faster! |
| 01:07.32 | adjacent | nvz: nice find =) i just found a bud under my desk ;) |
| 01:07.43 | abrotman | nvz: eww .. full of laundry detergent |
| 01:07.44 | adjacent | haha |
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| 01:07.50 | curby | dondelelcaro and abrotman: thanks! i don't remember whether or not the first problem i had along these lines had the dot in the filename. that time, reinstalling cron worked. anyway, gonna go home now. thanks again +) |
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| 01:07.58 | vinson | is there some module i need to have loaded for ps/2 mouse (non-usb) |
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| 01:08.02 | pipeline | Wyzard: encrypted ROOT? Isn't that fuckoff slow? |
| 01:08.08 | nvz | abrotman: na they were sitting on the floor they are dirty :P |
| 01:08.23 | Wyzard | pipeline: It's a little slower, but not hugely |
| 01:08.34 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: only when you need to do disk io, which for many uses isn't that often |
| 01:08.35 | Wyzard | pipeline: At least, not in my experience |
| 01:08.35 | abrotman | nvz: eww .. dirty roaches |
| 01:08.51 | Wyzard | pipeline: use a fast cipher, like Blowfish |
| 01:08.55 | gentgeen__ | anyone know what is wrong with w.d.o ? |
| 01:08.56 | nvz | I got irssi and screen runnin on the AthlonXP 1700+ w/ 512MB and got Firefox running on the IntelMMX 233 w/ 80mb |
| 01:08.57 | ricky_clarkson | !eminem |
| 01:08.57 | dpkg | eminem is, like, < za> I just got back from the eminem gig at Milton Keynes... it rained... constantly.. and he sucked ass. a debian user ("try 'cid [sid] and get fucked up worse than my life is" - My Name Is) |
| 01:08.59 | dondelelcaro | gentgeen__: /topic |
| 01:09.04 | pipeline | Wyzard: Why encrypted root rather than, say, encrypted /home at most? |
| 01:09.09 | nvz | I got to use this station right if I want it to be productive |
| 01:09.10 | abrotman | nvz: those are priorities :) |
| 01:09.32 | gentgeen__ | dondelelcaro, thanks, I know there was a way to see that without logging out, but could not remember :-} |
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| 01:09.59 | Wyzard | pipeline: No particular reason... actually, I'm trying to work around a different bug and I've noticed it doesn't occur on another encrypted-root system I have |
| 01:10.08 | PerfDave | You probably want to encrypt /home, /tmp and /var if you're going to be serious about it :) |
| 01:10.20 | nvz | I think I need more swap.. when I was setting up etch, I made a 2.0GB / and the rest swap. I havent seen a drive like the size 2.1gb in so long I somehow thought .1gb was more memory than it was. |
| 01:10.36 | Wyzard | PerfDave: It's a laptop... with a relatively small hard drive... everything's on a single partition |
| 01:10.44 | Wyzard | Single LVM logical volume, actually |
| 01:10.45 | jeye | hello |
| 01:10.49 | nvz | I _am_ running X on it and synergy with only 80mb ram |
| 01:11.11 | PerfDave | nvz: OMG, you've got 5% of your drive as swap, that's huge! ;) |
| 01:11.15 | nvz | the vectra is my crash test dummy |
| 01:11.34 | nvz | if'n I could find more hd's I would setup sid on the Aptiva or something |
| 01:11.55 | gentgeen__ | If I want to use sudo to allow a regular user to install/upgrade with aptitude, do I need to allow anything other then /usr/bin/aptitude? |
| 01:12.06 | nvz | well actually I took its whole two 8mb simms out and put them in the vectra so I guess its trash now :P |
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| 01:12.26 | gentgeen__ | ie do I need to allow dpkg and apt-get for example |
| 01:12.27 | abrotman | gentgeen__: you might as well give them root |
| 01:12.53 | dondelelcaro | yeah, going from running aptitude to having root is fairly trivial |
| 01:12.54 | nvz | I stole the little setup they had for the speakers too and wired it up to my Athlon system. that old ibm had a nice little set of desk speakers that were powered by the case. |
| 01:13.10 | abrotman | can aptitude install a single package like dpkg ? |
| 01:13.15 | gentgeen__ | Why open it all up when I only need the update/upgrade ability? isn't that rule #1 of security -- only open what you need |
| 01:13.21 | Wyzard | grr... the unofficial cryptsetup-luks repository went down just as I was about to use it |
| 01:13.27 | Falkon | Has anyone used the latest etch net install? Mine is not working with the ethernet interface at all, and I previously installed with an etch netinstall |
| 01:13.30 | nvz | though the 12v on my motherboard for the fan didnt seem to power them I had to use a berg connector |
| 01:13.41 | nite613 | gentgeen__: The point is that you're actually openning a lot more than update/upgrade if the user wants it |
| 01:13.48 | nite613 | so why not just give it all |
| 01:14.03 | abrotman | gentgeen__: if you can isntall a single package .. ( i don't know .. i don't use aptitude) .. then the person could install any package they want |
| 01:14.30 | abrotman | gentgeen__: and if you're required to give them dpkg access .. then you might as well give root .. becuase you could install any binary on the system you wanted |
| 01:14.50 | gentgeen__ | I see the point -- makes sense |
| 01:14.53 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: doesn't matter, you can trivially go aptitude -o DPkg::Pre-Invoke=/bin/sh install foo; or similar |
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| 01:15.11 | gentgeen__ | btw abrotman -- you use debian, but you don't use aptitude -- do you just use apt? |
| 01:15.14 | abrotman | gentgeen__: see .. dondelelcaro knows all the box cracking goodness :) |
| 01:15.20 | abrotman | gentgeen__: yes .. or dpkg .. |
| 01:15.27 | maj | security.debian.org down too ?? |
| 01:15.35 | Falkon | Etch is not asking me to configure my network interfaces, and my attempts to post configure them have failed. I cannot get the computer on the net |
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| 01:15.51 | abrotman | maj: apparently |
| 01:15.59 | jim | box cracking... well, ok... drop a box on an egg... crack! |
| 01:16.01 | PerfDave | Falkon: You're using a testing daily CD image? Known bug. Deal :) |
| 01:16.03 | abrotman | !tell Falkon about interfaces |
| 01:16.09 | abrotman | oh .. that |
| 01:16.13 | maj | trying to do chroot install :( |
| 01:16.28 | jim | maj: debootstrap? |
| 01:16.34 | maj | yup |
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| 01:16.48 | maj | doing base-config now |
| 01:16.50 | nvz | I wonder if I should start irssi over on the vectra and /quit here or just start ssh here and reattach my screen there. that way I will not be hurting the feeble old pc's brain with anything |
| 01:16.51 | Falkon | PerfDave: yes that's it! How do I configure the network interfaces? I can't "deal" because I can't use apt, aptitude, etc. |
| 01:16.53 | dondelelcaro | maj: host $(dig +short security.debian.org); and be enlightened |
| 01:17.00 | dondelelcaro | maj: it's ok, it will time out eventually |
| 01:17.03 | jim | ok, so base is unpacked? |
| 01:17.03 | PerfDave | Falkon: Don't use a testing daily installer :) |
| 01:17.07 | maj | ok |
| 01:17.11 | jim | good... so you're well on your way |
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| 01:17.14 | itp560 | does debian cron read the /etc/cron.d/ dir entries ? |
| 01:17.18 | PerfDave | Falkon: There may be a workaround on the d-i wiki, I dunno. |
| 01:17.19 | maj | dondel where ?? |
| 01:17.20 | dondelelcaro | itp560: man cron; |
| 01:17.34 | Jason | Hi, good evening, Where can i download Debian in dvd? |
| 01:17.36 | Falkon | PerfDave: what should I use then? Is there another ISO on the debian site for etch? |
| 01:17.43 | dondelelcaro | maj: well, assuming you have a working Debian install somewhere. security.debian.org is on klecker which is down. |
| 01:17.48 | Falkon | I found plenty for sarge, none for etch |
| 01:17.49 | strobedream | hey has anyone had any experience with tomcat? |
| 01:17.52 | PerfDave | Falkon: Install Sarge |
| 01:18.06 | ricky_clarkson | strobedream: #tomcat, #debian-java, ##java |
| 01:18.07 | Gnea | strobedream: the java thingamajig? |
| 01:18.09 | jim | strobedream: yeah, but curiousity killed it |
| 01:18.13 | nvz | strobedream: yeah mine just caught a jerrymouse upstairs and killed it |
| 01:18.14 | maj | ok |
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| 01:18.19 | dondelelcaro | Falkon: there's no point to ISOs for testing (and even less point for unstable) |
| 01:18.24 | strobedream | lol thanks |
| 01:18.27 | Falkon | PerfDave: so etch is basically "broken" |
| 01:18.38 | PerfDave | Falkon: Currently, yes. It's testing, things break. |
| 01:18.39 | linoleum | what the command to set up again exim4 ? |
| 01:18.43 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Well, there is, if you want to test new versions of d-i ;) |
| 01:18.49 | maj | in damnsmall linux now |
| 01:18.50 | Gnea | goooooooooood rsync |
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| 01:18.51 | ricky_clarkson | linoleum: guess: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 01:18.52 | Falkon | PerfDave: thanks then |
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| 01:18.57 | nvz | linoleum: in sarge? |
| 01:18.59 | PerfDave | linoleum: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 01:19.02 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: if you're resting d-i, you probalby shouldn't be burning isos... |
| 01:19.05 | dondelelcaro | s/rest/test/ |
| 01:19.11 | linoleum | PerfDave, tkx :) |
| 01:19.14 | Jason | Hi, where can i download Debian In dvd? |
| 01:19.19 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Well, I believe that's what the Etch d-i ISOs are provided for... |
| 01:19.20 | dondelelcaro | Jason: debian.org/CD |
| 01:19.21 | PerfDave | Jason: Use Jigdo |
| 01:19.25 | ricky_clarkson | Jason: Wow, someone else just asked that. |
| 01:19.27 | nvz | Jason: jigdo |
| 01:19.27 | Gnea | Jason: from the website |
| 01:19.38 | Jason | i just arrived ricky_clarkson |
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| 01:19.55 | abrotman | PerfDave: bittorrent? |
| 01:20.11 | Jason | im at debian.org/CD |
| 01:20.13 | Jason | but |
| 01:20.17 | PerfDave | abrotman: Are there torrents of the DVD images? I thought that jigdo was the only way to download them. I believe it's still the most efficient. |
| 01:20.21 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: well, part of that is just because people ask for them; if you're actually doing serious work with d-i you're far better off testing without using the isos |
| 01:20.23 | abrotman | PerfDave: yes |
| 01:20.23 | Jason | the ftps or http that i found does not have the dvd |
| 01:20.31 | Jason | there is some of them but 300mgbs |
| 01:20.32 | Jason | :S |
| 01:20.36 | Jason | is not that one |
| 01:20.40 | PerfDave | Jason: Use jigdo or bittorrent |
| 01:20.42 | jim | maj: you're probably safe... you can install sarge base without security updates for now, and update from security.d.o later... if you're really worried, you could look at what would get fixed from the BTS and/or remove net connection while you run it... |
| 01:20.46 | Gnea | !tell jason about jigdo |
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| 01:21.02 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Fair enough. I don't do serious work with d-i, I have just noticed people having breakages with the current etch installer builds. |
| 01:21.14 | Jason | what is Jidgo? |
| 01:21.21 | maj | i CAN update that later :) |
| 01:21.23 | Gnea | go read the webpage |
| 01:21.24 | nvz | networking in linux is just too much fun. I almost forgot what it was like to have a clan of old hardware |
| 01:21.36 | Gnea | jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. |
| 01:21.42 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: yeah, they're automatically built, so they often break. |
| 01:21.43 | jim | but note also that most other dists don't have a fast-responding security patch upgrade site anyways... |
| 01:21.44 | Jason | ojj |
| 01:21.44 | itp560 | dondelelcaro, It should all the LSB complient .. But it is not .. Can you just tell me the mistake that I'm doing ? |
| 01:21.46 | Jason | I See |
| 01:21.48 | jim | for example... |
| 01:21.48 | PerfDave | Jason: It's a way of downloading Debian packages and turning them into ISOs. It's the most bandwidth-efficient way of building Debian CD and DVD images. |
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| 01:22.01 | PerfDave | nvz: distcc! ;) |
| 01:22.06 | Jason | so if i download the iso .. jidgo |
| 01:22.07 | dondelelcaro | itp560: no, it's not LSB compliant. Read the first to paragraphs of the cron manpage and be enlightened. |
| 01:22.14 | Jason | is the normal that the other isos orwhat |
| 01:22.28 | miag | hi |
| 01:22.35 | dondelelcaro | (well, unless you're running cron with -l, which you probably aren't.) |
| 01:22.40 | Gnea | PerfDave: yeah but that's such an inefficient way of doing it - it's truely easier to wget an iso (assuming it doesn't get continued, that'll muck it up) and throw it into k3b or something |
| 01:22.44 | PerfDave | Jason: If you use jigdo, you download the packages to your machine, and make an ISO out of it. |
| 01:22.48 | nvz | PerfDave: yeah that would never get used here |
| 01:22.55 | PerfDave | Gnea: Inefficient? |
| 01:23.00 | Gnea | PerfDave: either way uses the same amount of bandwidth, realistically |
| 01:23.00 | jim | Jason: jigdo is a way to download an image by downloading its pieces and composing the image on your hd... then you can later upgrade your image |
| 01:23.17 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: the advantage with jigdo is that the mirrors don't have to store the same file twice |
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| 01:23.34 | shimano55 | Question, Whats a good program for editing mp3s?? Preferably with a GUi. |
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| 01:23.43 | Jason | jim yes thanks , but it will take a while like that jim_ |
| 01:23.46 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: for common archs, it's not a big deal, but storing the files multiple times for uncommon ones is a problem. |
| 01:23.48 | jim | a package mirror doesn't also have to be a cd image mirror |
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| 01:23.58 | nvz | PerfDave: all I compile is kernel source and not often enough I need to have a 1466Mhz handing off to a 233mhz with less that 1/5 the ram and slower hd ..etc |
| 01:24.00 | mfrisch | I hate contract work! |
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| 01:24.01 | jim | Jason: will it take a different amount of time? |
| 01:24.06 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: so why not setup mirrors for the mirrors that use jigdo in a cronjob every so often and do automatic builds so people can just wget those isos? |
| 01:24.11 | PerfDave | Gnea: Apparently not, ISTR reading on d-d-a (or somewhere) that building an ISO with jigdo involves transferring less bytes than downloading an ISO directly, because of the way ISOs represent data. |
| 01:24.17 | jim | mfrisch: then sell your sniper rifle! |
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| 01:24.32 | Jason | thanks jim |
| 01:24.38 | mfrisch | jim ;-) |
| 01:24.38 | Jason | Im downloading for bitorrent |
| 01:24.40 | PerfDave | shimano55: Do you want to edit mp3s, or do you want to decompress mp3s, edit the raw data and re-encode them (thus losing quality)? |
| 01:24.44 | jim | Jason: you see my point? |
| 01:24.49 | Jason | 130kbs not too bad |
| 01:25.03 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: some mirrors have the official images; there's no problem with distributing them. It just uses less disk space on the mirrors which care about it |
| 01:25.07 | Gnea | the way things are going, i could setup some test servers for that within the next week or 2 |
| 01:25.07 | PerfDave | Now I use jigdo to make CD images from the DVD-Rs ;) |
| 01:25.28 | dondelelcaro | !tell edwards -about away |
| 01:25.32 | jim | Jason: if you start by using jigdo, you would have to get everything for an image... follow that so far? |
| 01:25.34 | shimano55 | PerfDave, Basically, here's the story. When I ripped and encoded some of my cds, some of the tracks came out with lower volume. I want to be able to edit then and make them louder. |
| 01:26.00 | PerfDave | shimano55: You probably don't. You probably want to add metainfo to the mp3 which tells the player to amplify them. |
| 01:26.01 | dondelelcaro | shimano55: rerip them and run the tracks through a normalizer (or run them through a compressor) |
| 01:26.08 | Jason | jim but jidgo is p2p or somelikethat? |
| 01:26.15 | abrotman | no |
| 01:26.18 | Gnea | Jason: it's like putting together a jigsaw puzzle then disassembling it only to put it back together again |
| 01:26.22 | shimano55 | PerfDave, how would I do that? |
| 01:26.23 | abrotman | afaik .. jigdo gets all from one server |
| 01:26.26 | jim | Jason: no, it's not p2p |
| 01:26.27 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: BLASPHEMY. |
| 01:26.37 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: ? |
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| 01:27.14 | pipeline | shimano55, dondelelcaro: Normalizing an mp3 your way involves re-encoding. This means a MASSIVE quality loss. |
| 01:27.19 | pipeline | shimano55: The key word here is "replaygain" |
| 01:27.22 | jim | Jason: but so far, what we're talking about is the same for all types... the point where jigdo becomes different is when you -upgrade- your images |
| 01:27.31 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: you missed the critical point there: "RERIP" |
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| 01:27.54 | PerfDave | shimano55: Actually, you probably want to look at "mp3gain", which is a lossless MP3 volume normalizer |
| 01:27.56 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: The brute force solution is still the wrong one :P |
| 01:28.07 | Arafangi1n | What's normalization? |
| 01:28.09 | maj | now after me get this done need to figure out kernel install :) |
| 01:28.10 | pipeline | shimano55: replaygain is a very common way to store volume information in mp3 metadata |
| 01:28.11 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: not really. |
| 01:28.21 | jim | if you don't know, you might not be normal! |
| 01:28.28 | nvz | maj: the process of becomming normal |
| 01:28.29 | Gnea | jim: so what you're saying is that jigdo does a fresh update? |
| 01:28.38 | jim | the first time, yes |
| 01:28.38 | Gnea | being normal sucks :) |
| 01:28.42 | PerfDave | Arafangi1n: Altering volume levels so on average they're they same across a bunch of songs. |
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| 01:28.56 | PerfDave | shimano55: Of course, what you really want to do is re-rip all your CDs to Ogg Vorbis ;) |
| 01:29.05 | ArtistAgent | Anyone have suggestions on proxy server software? |
| 01:29.07 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 01:29.07 | nvz | maj: makes sure all the volume levels stay the same regaurdless of the sample rate or whatever |
| 01:29.08 | dondelelcaro | Arafangi1n: it puts the loudest transient at the maxium volume level |
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| 01:29.13 | shimano55 | PerfDave, too move time :p |
| 01:29.13 | maj | first time trying this |
| 01:29.17 | Gnea | PerfDave: now that's the best suggestion i've heard all day ;) |
| 01:29.21 | dondelelcaro | (and shifts everything else accordingly) |
| 01:29.25 | Arafangi1n | PerfDave: Cool, but wouldn't it be better to have that as a feature of the player, and maintain an index of song to volume to play at? |
| 01:29.30 | abrotman | ArtistAgent: apt-cache search ? |
| 01:29.35 | PerfDave | Arafangi1n: That's one way of doing it. |
| 01:29.36 | maj | good thing me got DSL to fall back on |
| 01:29.41 | Nwallins | for all those who were clearly interested: i 'fixed' my boot lockup by installing 2.4 instead of 2.6 |
| 01:29.42 | shimano55 | muhc* |
| 01:29.44 | shimano55 | much** |
| 01:29.47 | jim | but the second and subsequent times (theoretically, you understand... never seen this part work yet), what it does is figure out what it has to download to become the newer version, and that's not going to be the whole image |
| 01:29.53 | Arafangi1n | PerfDave: Means that the originals are maintained. |
| 01:30.02 | dondelelcaro | Arafangi1n: the type of normalization I'm talking about is track dependent, not playlist dependent. |
| 01:30.16 | PerfDave | Arafangi1n: *shrug* Depends on whether the "originals" are "correct" or not. There are also lossless ways to normalise. |
| 01:30.27 | Jason | thats ok |
| 01:30.34 | Jason | im downlading from torrent 300kbs now:) |
| 01:30.37 | dondelelcaro | (and it has nothing to do with the volume level "experienced") |
| 01:30.39 | kyle__ | ~/quit |
| 01:30.43 | apt | ACTION has signed off IRC (NULL), or <action> /quit #kde... hmm doesn't work... |
| 01:30.55 | PerfDave | But volume perception and the science behind it is a very complicated thing. |
| 01:31.03 | Wyzard | hehe... yaird fixed the bug I was trying to work around, and I haven't even encrypted my root filesystem yet :-) |
| 01:31.16 | jim | Nwallins: mixed reaction. glad it wokred out... but hoping you'll get 2.6 working for you in the future |
| 01:31.29 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: sure; I'm just explaining the difference between the type of normalization you were talking about, and the type of normalization I'm talking about. |
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| 01:31.49 | SimonRaven | hey i thought emacs had an entry in /etc/X11/app-defaults |
| 01:31.50 | itp560 | dondelelcaro, I'm enlighted .. thanks for the help ... |
| 01:31.56 | dondelelcaro | itp560: np |
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| 01:32.28 | jim | what's the difference between those two and the kind everyone else is talking about? :) |
| 01:32.28 | Nwallins | jim: thx.. i will be installing an smp kernel later anyways |
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| 01:32.28 | dondelelcaro | itp560: man run-parts; also has a slightly more detailed discussion of it |
| 01:32.28 | SimonRaven | jim: they're different |
| 01:33.08 | jso | i found files 'debian.bmp' and 'sarge.bmp' in the /boot dir but they never appear during boot-up. any opinion? |
| 01:33.32 | Gnea | jso: that sucks |
| 01:33.34 | maj | the .deb's downloading now |
| 01:33.36 | jim | not using framebuffer on boot? |
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| 01:34.23 | jso | Gnea, agree but are they supposed to be used? |
| 01:34.26 | dondelelcaro | jim: the "normalization plugin" thingie that xmms and friends have changes the volume of the track in order to keep the perceived volume constant across tracks recorded at different average levels; the normalization I'm talking about maximizes the volume for a single track without compression. |
| 01:34.58 | jim | would it have to read the whole track to determine peak vol? |
| 01:35.03 | dondelelcaro | jim: yes |
| 01:35.08 | Gnea | jso: i believe lilo incorporates them somehow.. i could be wrong, it's been a long time since i used that |
| 01:35.12 | SimonRaven | ah it does read it however, cool |
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| 01:35.28 | SimonRaven | (my ~/.Xresources) |
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| 01:35.51 | jim | any musicians in here ever tried ninjam networked jamming? |
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| 01:36.28 | SimonRaven | i'm old-style musician/singer... instrument in front of me, tangible |
| 01:36.47 | jso | anyone else know what those files 'debian'bmp' and 'sarge.bmp' are used for? |
| 01:36.56 | Nwallins | oh no.. the security.debian.org disconnectivity issue will prevent netinst from completing? |
| 01:36.58 | jim | to bump? |
| 01:37.01 | nvz | ninjam network jamming? heh |
| 01:37.01 | maj | i'll just do the basic desktop until i get this to work tthen "update" it |
| 01:37.27 | jim | nvz: I forget the site... google ninjam I think |
| 01:37.41 | nvz | sounds like network being jammed by teenage mutant ninja kawfees |
| 01:37.55 | jim | NINJAM - Novel Intervallic Network Jamming Architecture for Music |
| 01:37.57 | SimonRaven | hehehe |
| 01:37.58 | Gnea | wtf |
| 01:38.02 | Nwallins | i thought it was trent-flavored bread topping |
| 01:38.10 | Gnea | heh |
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| 01:38.53 | jim | it seems like it could be cool... |
| 01:38.58 | Gnea | ack, when did s.d.o go down? |
| 01:39.03 | SimonRaven | potentially |
| 01:39.12 | Arafangi1n | How do I force installation of a particular package? |
| 01:39.27 | maj | hammer ?? |
| 01:39.29 | dondelelcaro | Arafangi1n: in what way? |
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| 01:39.32 | jim | why is it not installing?\ |
| 01:39.39 | SimonRaven | jackhammer, silly |
| 01:39.42 | jim | dpkg --help |
| 01:39.42 | dpkg | Dpkg: Package Manager for Debian. Synopis: dpkg [options] action |
| 01:39.51 | jso | i want to add an on-screen-keyboard to the login screen. what would be the easiest way to do it? |
| 01:39.59 | Arafangi1n | (ie, I want to tell it "Yes, yes, I know, your dependencies aren't installed, but I want you to just INSTALL! (I have installed dependencies, but either the names are slightly different, or they're outside of apt) |
| 01:40.09 | Arafangi1n | --force-yes doesn't help. |
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| 01:40.27 | dondelelcaro | Arafangi1n: use equivs instead. |
| 01:40.28 | SimonRaven | you have to tell it they are satisfied, use equivs |
| 01:40.36 | PerfDave | Arafangi1n: What are you actually trying to achieve? |
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| 01:40.56 | Arafangi1n | PerfDave: Trying to install evince, but it's dependencies could not be installed. |
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| 01:41.25 | Arafangi1n | PerfDave: So apt broke out of that, however installing the dependencies individually state that package X replaces it, so I installed that instead |
| 01:41.27 | jim | Arafangi1n: for each thing that you installed that debian doesn't know about... use equivs to make the statement "this thing X is installed" |
| 01:41.35 | Arafangi1n | jim: Thanks. |
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| 01:41.49 | eleusis | g'day |
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| 01:42.18 | jim | Arafangi1n: but NOTE CAREFULLY... helpers here will not want to support your setup in this area... |
| 01:43.03 | Arafangi1n | jim: They rarely support sid anyway. |
| 01:43.17 | Tracer | Does anyone know of this Buffalo Wireless card is compatable with Debian? http://www.buffalotech.com/products/product-detail.php?productid=110&categoryid=7 |
| 01:43.40 | jim | exactly... and you've gone beyond sid, beyond experimental to totallyunknown :) |
| 01:43.43 | nite613 | how do you set these equivs? |
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| 01:44.07 | Arafangi1n | jim: I fear I've gone beyond experimental. |
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| 01:44.15 | jim | not sure, check the docs for equivs (which will be in the usual place after all) |
| 01:44.17 | Wyzard | Arafangi1n: Evince's dependencies are unmet? I have it installed on my (sid) system and I didn't need any external stuff. |
| 01:44.18 | Arafangi1n | (Linux From Scratch) |
| 01:44.24 | eleusis | anyone know where i can find some reference regarding the unified diff format, in particular file ranges? |
| 01:44.38 | Arafangi1n | Wyzard: I suspect that going too long between apt-get update's borked my setup. |
| 01:44.47 | jim | Arafangi1n: even just what you described before is beyond experimental |
| 01:44.56 | lilldude | tracy sorceforage maybe have linux drivers |
| 01:45.03 | lilldude | for bufalo |
| 01:45.09 | linoleum | hey please, how can I install fetchmail , and set it up to run as a daemon ?? |
| 01:45.11 | nite613 | Ahhhh, equivs is a package! :) |
| 01:45.28 | jim | Arafangi1n: but having said all that stuff, I hope you do cool stuff and have fun/ |
| 01:45.31 | Arafangi1n | Hmm, I can't just use "equivs", I have to use equivs-build and equivs-control, that's too much. |
| 01:45.50 | Arafangi1n | All I want to say is that "Y IS X" |
| 01:45.58 | maj | GOOGLE :):) |
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| 01:46.03 | PerfDave | linoleum: apt-get install fetchmail; man fetchmail |
| 01:46.04 | jim | GOGGLE! |
| 01:46.30 | jim | stop all capsing, you'll bring out the B1FF in me |
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| 01:47.04 | Arafangi1n | jim: At least I didn't resort to leet speak :( |
| 01:47.10 | fanopnaic | How can I get a spiffy "List of packages $x depends upon", like reportbug does ? |
| 01:47.11 | jim | oops, going to observe a RACES drill |
| 01:47.19 | jim | starts in 15 mins |
| 01:47.30 | jaaro | Hi there. Having problems with KB-16M, multimedia keyboard from genius and don't know how to sort things out. |
| 01:47.46 | Danar | is /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max system-wide? |
| 01:47.56 | Arafangi1n | Danar: I think so. |
| 01:47.57 | maj | me just dooed the google one |
| 01:49.01 | maj | what is a good generic type kernel to START with ?? |
| 01:49.25 | linoleum | PerfDave, actualy, I ask that because I remember that few years ago, on woody , dpkg asked if we wanted to have fetchmail running as a daemon. but now I dont have this question ... |
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| 01:50.11 | Arafangi1n | Still, why can't I --force-yes it? That should work by definition! |
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| 01:50.46 | Danar | is it safe to change it? |
| 01:50.55 | jaaro | How can I load xkb_symbols "genius" to work correctly? Don't know why, but some strange symbol definitions are probably loaded, because my keyboard behaves strange - keys are not recognised correctly. |
| 01:50.57 | PerfDave | Arafangi1n: No, that's not what --force-yes does :) |
| 01:51.02 | Arafangi1n | Danar: What kind of system do you have? |
| 01:51.04 | Danar | and what's the max safe # i can set it to with 512MB ram? |
| 01:51.08 | Danar | 3Ghz |
| 01:51.12 | daft | I updated my sid system and now Kde forgot all the links extentions => application ? some one knows hoe to solve this? |
| 01:51.18 | Arafangi1n | Danar: Itanium 64? |
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| 01:51.24 | Danar | xeon |
| 01:51.25 | brrr | i |
| 01:51.27 | brrr | hi |
| 01:51.28 | brrr | :) |
| 01:51.33 | Danar | 32 bit |
| 01:51.33 | Daffy-PKF | is security back? |
| 01:51.35 | PerfDave | daft: Welcome to sid. Check the BTS? |
| 01:51.47 | linoleum | daft, yes, everything is broken at the moment :) |
| 01:51.50 | Arafangi1n | Danar: Well I think your stack space will limit the number of threads anyway. |
| 01:51.53 | daft | PerfDave: im a happy sid user for more then 1 year |
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| 01:52.08 | Arafangi1n | daft: And I'm a happy sid user for more than 3 years :) |
| 01:52.11 | linoleum | daft, you should way a moment 'till it's fixed then aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 01:52.21 | PerfDave | daft: Then you should know how to deal with breakages like this. |
| 01:52.22 | Danar | i'm having trouble running an app in a java vm. i keep getting java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: unable to create new native thread |
| 01:52.36 | Virtual | do I have to configure arts after installing or it will work right after installing it ? |
| 01:52.37 | PerfDave | Danar: ##java |
| 01:52.48 | Danar | PerfDave: it's not a java problem i belief |
| 01:52.51 | Danar | *believe |
| 01:52.55 | daft | PerfDave: well you never know if you fucked up or the package |
| 01:52.57 | Arafangi1n | PerfDave: Funnily, this is the first time that apt's broke on me, must've timed my updates perfectly. |
| 01:53.04 | Wyzard | Danar: How did you install Java? |
| 01:53.11 | Danar | it's done it across java versions, application versions, and with a clean install of java |
| 01:53.20 | Danar | with the self extracting bin |
| 01:53.47 | Wyzard | Danar: Better to use java-package to get a Debianized version |
| 01:53.49 | Danar | using latest ATM. 1.5.0_04 |
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| 01:54.01 | Danar | i'll try that |
| 01:54.03 | Wyzard | Danar: though I don't know whether it'd help with that problem, I'd recommend doing it anyway |
| 01:54.07 | Danar | though i had it before |
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| 01:54.14 | Danar | ok, thx |
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| 01:55.17 | Wyzard | Danar: Aside from that, I'd look up java.lang.Thread.create() or whatever it's called to see whether the OutOfMemoryException means it actually ran out of memory, or if it's just using that exception when the real failure was something else in the thread-creation process |
| 01:55.22 | Erpo | Is non-us.debian.org down? I can't ping it. |
| 01:55.35 | PerfDave | daft: If you run sid, you should know that things are liable to break, and that your first port of call should be the BTS |
| 01:55.35 | Wyzard | Erpo: See /topic |
| 01:55.45 | daft | BTS? |
| 01:55.49 | PerfDave | Erpo: I think one or more of the Debian machines is having issues |
| 01:55.52 | PerfDave | !btssmite daft |
| 01:55.55 | Danar | Wyzard: hrm, don't suppose you could help with that? |
| 01:55.59 | daft | A |
| 01:56.01 | nick125 | im having trouble getting security.debian.org to work, whats the us address for security.debian.org? |
| 01:56.06 | Erpo | Is there a non-us.us.debian.org? |
| 01:56.14 | cougar` | Wyzard!!!!!!!! |
| 01:56.16 | PerfDave | Erpo: Maybe, give it a go? ;) |
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| 01:56.19 | Wyzard | yeah, security.debian.org has been returning 503 Connect Error for me |
| 01:56.25 | Wyzard | Erpo: Non-US doesn't exist anymore |
| 01:56.27 | cougar` | Wyzard!!!! |
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| 01:56.30 | cougar` | Hey bro!!!!! |
| 01:56.39 | Erpo | Well, that host isn't known, but I hoped there might be. |
| 01:56.53 | Wyzard | cougar`: hello |
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| 01:57.01 | nick125 | i tried to use security.us.debian.org, but, it isnt working (im sorry for the noobish questions, im new to this) :/ |
| 01:57.03 | PerfDave | Wyzard: Uhm, it still exists for oldstable, no? |
| 01:57.05 | Erpo | Wyzard: Does that mean than I only need http.us.debian.org in my sources.list for everything? |
| 01:57.07 | Wyzard | PerfDave: true |
| 01:57.10 | linoleum | su |
| 01:57.18 | Wyzard | Erpo: Correct... the packages that were in non-us are now in main |
| 01:57.31 | PerfDave | Wyzard: It's not used for Sarge, Etch or Sid, but AFAIk the host is still supposed to be up for the pre-Sarge installations out there. |
| 01:57.47 | Erpo | Wyzard: So, can crypto freely come and go from the US now? What happened? |
| 01:57.47 | PerfDave | I'm guessing that security. and non-us.debian.org are hosted on the same box ;) |
| 01:57.49 | PerfDave | Erpo: Read the /topic :) |
| 01:57.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell Erpo -about crypto in maian |
| 01:57.56 | dondelelcaro | !tell Erpo -about crypto in main |
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| 01:58.06 | Daffy-PKF | good night |
| 01:58.06 | beabeanca | hai all |
| 01:58.08 | cougar` | Wyzard : Followin' up on my log issue, 2 things. First, the firehol.sh script that was packaged with the debian package is *old*, and the Costa, the guy who develops FireHOL told me to use the new version instead. If you need it, let me know. Second, 'client all accept'' was for some reason, not including 'client dhcp accept' |
| 01:58.15 | Wyzard | Erpo: Not quite "freely", but in ways that Debian can comply with, at least |
| 01:58.17 | Erpo | Sweet! Thanks. :) |
| 01:58.21 | beabeanca | i need some help here |
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| 01:58.30 | beabeanca | anoody can helpme |
| 01:58.31 | nvz | I think the real issue is that there was like nothing actually in there that really needed to be |
| 01:58.40 | Wyzard | Erpo: I think the current law is just that you have to notify some government organization that your site is distributing crypto software, or something like that |
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| 01:59.06 | Erpo | Why not just assume that the terrorists have crypto and be done with it? It's just information. |
| 01:59.30 | stew | Wyzard: anytime a package is added to debian, the nsa is notified |
| 01:59.30 | PerfDave | Erpo: This is the US government, you expect them to be sensible? :) |
| 01:59.33 | beabeanca | i need some help here |
| 01:59.42 | beabeanca | sombody can help me |
| 01:59.45 | PerfDave | !tell beabeanca -about ask |
| 01:59.47 | PerfDave | !tell beabeanca -about repeat |
| 01:59.49 | cougar` | Wyzard : Hey hey hey! |
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| 02:00.13 | cougar` | Wyzard : Is it hard to compile fireHOL from source? |
| 02:00.13 | PerfDave | This means of course that all those RSA T-shirts people used to wear on transatlantic flights to be cool and edgy are kind of outdated now ;) |
| 02:00.28 | Wyzard | cougar`: It's a shell script... it doesn't get compiled |
| 02:00.30 | SimonRaven | cougar`: it's a script |
| 02:00.34 | stew | Erpo: by extending your logic, you could also say, we know they have guns, why not give them more guns |
| 02:00.36 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: that assumes that you file the appropriate notification with the BXE |
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| 02:00.59 | Wyzard | cougar`: What are you trying to do now? |
| 02:01.06 | beabeanca | im newbie in ubuntu linux my ques. how to run some program in ubuntu like mirc |
| 02:01.17 | PerfDave | beabeanca: Ask #ubuntu, #debian is the channel for Debian. |
| 02:01.18 | dondelelcaro | beabeanca: ask in #ubuntu, please. |
| 02:01.27 | Wyzard | beabeanca: a) mIRC is a Windows program; it doesn't run in Linux. b) Ask in #ubuntu |
| 02:01.27 | beabeanca | ok thanks |
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| 02:01.44 | Erpo | stew: Guns are physical objects and crypto is information. Information and physical objects don't work the same way. |
| 02:01.44 | Wyzard | beabeanca: If you want a graphical IRC program, try xchat |
| 02:01.48 | tengulre | which IRC tools that runing under console? |
| 02:01.58 | dondelelcaro | tengulre: irssi-text |
| 02:01.58 | Danar | where does java-package install java to? |
| 02:02.02 | zinx | beabeanca: in Debian, you can install a different IRC client (mIRC is not packaged for Debian), and use the menus to run it, assuming you've installed a desktop environment |
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| 02:02.18 | Erpo | beabeanca: Make sure you check out the Window menu in xchat. A lot of things are hiding in there. |
| 02:02.22 | PerfDave | I believe that you can run mIRC in Wine. Personally, I use Konversation if I need a GUI client, it's the best one I've found. |
| 02:02.30 | cougar` | Wyzard : Seeing what else might be old in the version that is offered by apt-get :P |
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| 02:02.45 | stew | Erpo: in US law there used to be no such distinction (i'm not trying to say i don't agree with you btw) |
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| 02:03.35 | Danar | anyone? |
| 02:03.38 | PerfDave | "Guns don't kill people, mathematical transformations on streams of bytes do" ;) |
| 02:03.53 | PerfDave | Danar: No idea, wouldn't touch Sun's Java with a bargepole ;) |
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| 02:04.03 | dondelelcaro | Danar: iirc, it makes a .deb, which it then installs. dpkg -L foopkg; should tell you what it is doing |
| 02:04.20 | pipeline | Danar: IKVM.net is your friend. |
| 02:04.25 | Erpo | Danar: Just follow the directions. It worked for me. |
| 02:04.46 | Danar | Erpo: which directions are those? |
| 02:05.04 | miag | Danar: gcj |
| 02:05.15 | Danar | miag: ? |
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| 02:05.47 | Erpo | Danar: gcj doesn't work as a replacement for Sun's java yet. It also doesn't come with a nifty browser plugin. |
| 02:05.52 | Damm | anyone used qca on debian? |
| 02:06.07 | Erpo | Danar: man make-jpkg |
| 02:06.10 | Danar | i installed it with synaptic, and dpkg -L shows the files, but they're just scripts |
| 02:06.45 | miag | Erpo: native eclipse(gcj4) for debian available, http://planet.classpath.org |
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| 02:07.21 | dan2_ | Erpo: it probably never will be able to replace java |
| 02:07.50 | pipeline | Danar, dan2_ : I'm beating the IKVM drum again. Seriously. |
| 02:07.54 | PerfDave | dan2_: s/java/Sun java/ :) |
| 02:07.56 | c_olin | i get a perl warning saying to check my locale settings, where can i find my locale settings? |
| 02:08.04 | PerfDave | c_olin: /msg dpkg locales |
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| 02:08.21 | dan2_ | PerfDave: no, it can't be java unless it has an official license from sun, your correction is not correct |
| 02:08.25 | nick125 | it seems im having trouble connecting to http.us.debian.org |
| 02:08.26 | Arafangi1n | Erpo: You mean in terms of the java environment, or the api? |
| 02:09.03 | dan2_ | Arafangi1n: all counts |
| 02:09.07 | foo | I am setting up the Debian mirror for installations - you have any recommendations? |
| 02:09.08 | Erpo | Arafangi1n: I don't know if I'd put it that way. I meant in terms of the end user experience. |
| 02:09.10 | Danar | i don't have mono. does that matter? |
| 02:09.19 | Danar | (glancing at ikvm.net) |
| 02:09.20 | nick125 | when i try to apt-get something, it seems to just sit there and do nothing when trying to connect to the server :/ |
| 02:09.42 | PerfDave | dan2_: GNU Java is not Java? |
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| 02:10.10 | dan2_ | PerfDave: nope |
| 02:10.19 | Arafangi1n | Erpo: Well, in terms of the end-user experience, only java on mac os x counts :( |
| 02:10.27 | PerfDave | dan2_: Ah well, I'll still take it over Sun's crap any day :) |
| 02:10.40 | dan2_ | PerfDave: not if you try to do real life java development work |
| 02:10.50 | Arafangi1n | PerfDave: You might like to read the Kaffe website for an explaination as to why they're not "Java" |
| 02:10.58 | PerfDave | dan2_: *shrug* I can run Eclipse, that's all I care about :) |
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| 02:12.05 | PerfDave | Arafangi1n: I'm not entirely sure whether I care about what's Java(tm) and what's just Java, to be honest ;) |
| 02:12.35 | Danar | the scripts installed by java-package aren't executable... shouldn't they be? |
| 02:12.40 | travolta | startup scripts are in /etc/rc2.d/ ? and i stop a something from starting up by removing the link in that dir ? |
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| 02:13.03 | travolta | irc'ing as root :) |
| 02:13.12 | travolta | ^ |
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| 02:13.23 | epsilon | travolta: if you are in runlevel 2, yes |
| 02:13.55 | epsilon | ever read man update-rc.d? |
| 02:14.12 | travolta | i am use to the startup scripts in slackware |
| 02:14.14 | travolta | no |
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| 02:14.20 | Danar | PerfDave: what's wrong with sun's java/ |
| 02:14.22 | Arafangi1n | PerfDave: The incomplete java.* and especially javax.* are a _pain_. |
| 02:14.36 | drew | is debian a self guided installation process like ubuntu? or is it bloody complicated like gentoo? |
| 02:14.47 | Arafangi1n | drew: Somewhere in between. |
| 02:15.00 | daft | drew: press enter all the time and you get a linux system |
| 02:15.02 | Nwallins | drew: the new installer is a breeze. it doesn't have eye candy |
| 02:15.13 | foo | Do you guys think it's better to do local resolvers or remote resolvers? Think the latency would be enoug hto make it not worth it to use remote, or would it be a good idea to have the local resolver first, and have remote backups? |
| 02:15.13 | drew | okay, where can I find the newest version? |
| 02:15.19 | miag | using sun java is java trap |
| 02:15.30 | PerfDave | Danar: The license restricting my freedom to code, and Sun's shitty attitude over it all. |
| 02:15.33 | penny | hello |
| 02:15.35 | epsilon | drew: debian.org |
| 02:15.40 | Wyzard | drew: It's much like Ubuntu's installation... it just doesn't go and automatically install a whole desktop by default like Ubuntu does |
| 02:15.47 | Danar | miag: what i need is something that works. without crippling errors. :/ |
| 02:15.53 | drew | oh ok |
| 02:15.54 | Nwallins | drew: sarge (stable) has it, etch and sid are newer and (hoefully) better |
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| 02:15.57 | drew | is it only one install cd? |
| 02:15.59 | PerfDave | Wyzard: Unless you select the "install a desktop" option in the installer ;) |
| 02:16.05 | epsilon | sid? new? |
| 02:16.11 | Nwallins | drew: do netinst unless you have a wireless connection |
| 02:16.19 | Nwallins | one cd, 180MB or so |
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| 02:16.24 | drew | ok thanks |
| 02:16.25 | Wyzard | PerfDave: That's why I said "by default"... Ubuntu can be told *not* to install a desktop, too |
| 02:16.27 | PerfDave | drew: You can install it with as little as two floppies, or as much as two DVDs. Read the Installation Manual ;) |
| 02:16.40 | Danar | gcj is a java alternative? |
| 02:16.46 | dondelelcaro | Danar: yes |
| 02:16.52 | epsilon | Danar: you use blackdown? |
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| 02:17.05 | PerfDave | Wyzard: *shrug* I don't consider things which are presented as options in the installer as being "not default"; stuff you have to install by hand with apt-get or synaptic is, IMHO, "not default" :) |
| 02:17.16 | Arafangi1n | Danar: gcj has a nice feature in which you can mix C++ and java (almost) arbituarily, and actually compile it. |
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| 02:17.30 | drew | is there KDE compatibility with debian? |
| 02:17.32 | Danar | epsilon: no, i have sun's java ATM |
| 02:17.32 | miag | Danar: i heard someone said gcj is weak like g++, but i wonder why it doesn't compare to gcc. java is not after c++ rather objc |
| 02:17.42 | Wyzard | drew: Yes, you can install KDE in Debian |
| 02:17.49 | PerfDave | drew: Debian has KDE |
| 02:18.02 | Danar | Arafangi1n: sounds good though i'm not worried about development at the moment. just trying to get my app running properly |
| 02:18.03 | penny | java is a joke |
| 02:18.03 | TraceGreen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.04 | drew | what is the package name |
| 02:18.05 | drew | ? |
| 02:18.29 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 02:18.29 | dpkg | hmm... install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 02:18.54 | drew | does debian installation automatically ask you to install GRUB? |
| 02:18.56 | Arafangi1n | penny: I'd qualify that a tad more. |
| 02:18.59 | Nwallins | drew: yes |
| 02:19.01 | dondelelcaro | drew: on i386, yes. |
| 02:19.03 | PerfDave | drew: It'll be installed as part of the isntallation process if you select the "Desktop Environment" task, which installs all of X, all of KDE, all of Gnome |
| 02:19.15 | Arafangi1n | penny: Sun Java performs poorly on Sun's OWN Solaris OS! |
| 02:19.17 | PerfDave | drew: It installs grub for you, if you want it to. |
| 02:19.20 | fishhead | * osama (n=osama@CPE000f668d446f-CM000a73a963d5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #debian |
| 02:19.23 | fishhead | isn't that ironic |
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| 02:19.31 | fishhead | after all CANUCKS are all terrorists |
| 02:19.33 | maj | trying to install the kernel :( |
| 02:19.43 | Danar | can i use gcj for a java vm? |
| 02:19.50 | fishhead | commiting such terrorist actions as william shatner singing! |
| 02:19.51 | Wyzard | dan2_: GCJ is a compiler, not a VM |
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| 02:19.59 | epsilon | if you want to install Sarge KDE, use aptitude. it has extra menu for KDE |
| 02:20.01 | penny | Arafangi1n, java uses OOP, but OOP is not everything. |
| 02:20.05 | dan2_ | Wyzard: right, its NOT java |
| 02:20.08 | Arafangi1n | Wyzard: Wrong. |
| 02:20.10 | PerfDave | Danar: Look at the free-java-sdk package |
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| 02:20.13 | Danar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.15 | dpkg | ii gcj doesn't give me an idea where to point stuff 1.7-12 danar's private gamp collection |
| 02:20.20 | Arafangi1n | Wyzard: It is a compiler, but it can _also_ be a VM. |
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| 02:20.30 | Danar | PerfDave: sdk? not doing dev... |
| 02:20.32 | Wyzard | Arafangi1n: It can compile Java code to native code so you don't need a VM... not the same thing though |
| 02:20.45 | maj | can anyone give me any pointers on chrot installing kernel ? |
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| 02:20.53 | Arafangi1n | Wyzard: It can also compile to bytecode, and I'm fairly certain it can also execute said bytecode. |
| 02:21.01 | PerfDave | Danar: No, but it installs a whole bunch of Free Java utilities, look at the package description. |
| 02:21.29 | Danar | so i don't need gcj then? |
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| 02:21.36 | Arafangi1n | Danar: Probably not. |
| 02:21.44 | PerfDave | Danar: I believe that free-java-sdk installs gcj among other things |
| 02:21.51 | Danar | heh |
| 02:21.53 | penny | gcj lol |
| 02:21.57 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:21.57 | dpkg | hmm... ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 02:22.15 | Danar | penny: ? |
| 02:22.46 | penny | gcj is a joke terminator |
| 02:22.54 | Danar | doesn't seem to instal gcj. what's jikes? |
| 02:23.06 | Arafangi1n | penny: Why? |
| 02:23.18 | penny | java = joke |
| 02:23.26 | PerfDave | Danar: apt-cache show jikes |
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| 02:23.52 | maj | having trouble installing the kernerl |
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| 02:23.54 | Arafangi1n | penny: Care to qualify that? |
| 02:24.00 | maj | *kernel |
| 02:24.08 | penny | ... |
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| 02:25.01 | Danar | i think all i need is sablevm |
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| 02:25.50 | Arafangi1n | Danar: Why sablevm? |
| 02:26.02 | Danar | Arafangi1n: that's what free-java-sdk uses |
| 02:26.12 | Danar | which was recommended. that's the only part of it i need |
| 02:26.16 | dondelelcaro | 'course, I've been wearing contacts for so long now that I can't really say exactly what it was like the first time I wore them |
| 02:26.22 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
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| 02:26.39 | Danar | Arafangi1n: any reason not to use it? |
| 02:27.03 | Danar | running low on space, so i don't want to install anything i don't need |
| 02:27.06 | epsilon | security.debian.org is also on klecker and down, too? |
| 02:27.09 | foo | I am installing debian and security.debian.com is timing out - any ideas? I just skipped it, hmm |
| 02:27.29 | Arafangi1n | Danar: What are you attempting to run? |
| 02:27.38 | Danar | azureus |
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| 02:27.52 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> klecker (www.d.o,security.d.o) down, use www.us.debian.org | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | BTS: /msg dpkg bts | gcc/g++ 4.0 with new ABI in sid; beware breakage! | X.org is in sid | sid's libssl0.9.7 broken: /msg dpkg broken ssl | USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto |
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| 02:28.00 | dondelelcaro | not like it's going to help much, but whatever. |
| 02:28.59 | maj | ok going to TRY it |
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| 02:29.21 | maj | to get lilo to work right just type lilo right ?? |
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| 02:30.43 | Arafangi1n | Danar: If you're not a developer, you would probably find sun's java the easiest. |
| 02:30.49 | Danar | installed sablevm. dpkg -L sablevm shows a bunch of stuff. not sure which to point to |
| 02:30.57 | Danar | Arafangi1n: but it's broken on debian |
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| 02:31.10 | Arafangi1n | Danar: How so? |
| 02:31.11 | Danar | or seems to be anyway |
| 02:31.31 | Danar | i keep getting java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: unable to create new native thread |
| 02:31.49 | Danar | i have 512MB RAM, so it shouldn't be that |
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| 02:33.04 | Arafangi1n | Danar: How many threads are you running? |
| 02:33.14 | Danar | dunno |
| 02:33.30 | Arafangi1n | Danar: Well if sablevm works, good for you. |
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| 02:34.00 | lilgg | hello, where should i paste?:D |
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| 02:34.04 | Danar | Arafangi1n: dunno yet, i'm confused as to where to point it |
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| 02:34.20 | Danar | dpkg -L sablevm shows several possibilities |
| 02:34.21 | dpkg | ii sablevm shows several possibilities 3.3-14.2 danar's private gamp collection |
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| 02:35.34 | majnoon | it LOOKS like i got everything setup except lilo |
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| 02:36.02 | Danar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.05 | Danar | uh... :/ |
| 02:36.17 | epsilon | usually bootmanager is something configured *first* |
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| 02:37.20 | tracysun | how to download debian3.0 via apt-get command |
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| 02:37.39 | epsilon | tracysun: old-stable as apt source in sources.list |
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| 02:37.53 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:37.53 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
| 02:38.09 | epsilon | (or just woody) |
| 02:38.16 | epsilon | !sex |
| 02:38.16 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 02:38.39 | lilgg | i try to apt-get install but i get an error. for example You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: The following packages have unmet dependencies: tk8.4: Depends: libx11-6 but it is not going to be installed or ...etc. |
| 02:38.44 | foo | Whenever I login in x I see the Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY .... how do I remove this? |
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| 02:38.57 | excessluggage | Can someone explain what this means - Starting ADSL Connection Group: grep: /etc/modules.conf: No such file or directory |
| 02:39.14 | excessluggage | please |
| 02:39.17 | tracysun | epsilon,what's mean |
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| 02:39.41 | majnoon | any good url for help with lilo ?? |
| 02:39.44 | apprentice | how do i get X using apt-get on debian bare install |
| 02:39.47 | epsilon | foo: /etc/motd you're looking for? |
| 02:39.48 | apprentice | net install |
| 02:40.24 | epsilon | apprentice: aptitude, install stuff in X section you need |
| 02:40.26 | foo | epsilon: Yes, thank you. Can I delete the file? Or should I just remove it's contents? |
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| 02:40.56 | epsilon | foo: write 'this box is pwned by foo *MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA*' in /etc/motd and see what happens |
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| 02:40.59 | tracysun | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 02:41.15 | lilgg | any1 can help me? |
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| 02:41.17 | apprentice | do i need more reposteriaes? |
| 02:41.21 | epsilon | tracysun: testing is etch right now |
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| 02:41.44 | foo | epsilon: I know what happens :P Can I delete the file; or should I just erase it's contents? |
| 02:41.49 | vladuz976 | does debian have any advantages over ubuntu? |
| 02:42.04 | epsilon | tracysun: you better write woody/sarge/etch/sid insteadd old-stable/stable/testing/unstable |
| 02:42.08 | lilgg | vladuz976 ubunt is debian based |
| 02:42.18 | lilgg | its more user friendly |
| 02:42.20 | apprentice | aptitude only has xfree |
| 02:42.21 | vladuz976 | lilgg, that is why i am asking |
| 02:42.54 | vladuz976 | is there a big difference |
| 02:42.54 | epsilon | foo: dunno if someone complains if you delete it. make it empty or write something like "hostname hello" |
| 02:43.20 | Wyzard | vladuz976: Fundamentally Debian and Ubuntu are pretty similar, but they differ in details in various things |
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| 02:43.30 | lilgg | vladuz976 dunno never used ubuntu..i just know its for begginers mostly |
| 02:43.36 | Wyzard | lilgg: Not really |
| 02:43.38 | tracysun | what's differece between woody/sarge/etch |
| 02:43.48 | apprentice | why does it only have xfree |
| 02:44.01 | lilgg | Wyzard erm ok |
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| 02:44.03 | Wyzard | tracysun: woody is the previous stable release, sarge is the current stable release, and etch is the testing branch which will eventually be the next stable release |
| 02:44.09 | lilgg | any1 can help me with the problem i have?:s |
| 02:44.13 | vladuz976 | how can a distro be for beginners |
| 02:44.15 | Danar | java.lang.ClassNotFoundException |
| 02:44.18 | Danar | :/ |
| 02:44.20 | Wyzard | apprentice: sarge (the current release of Debian) doesn't have xorg |
| 02:44.24 | epsilon | tracysun: search debian.org for version description |
| 02:44.28 | apprentice | why not? |
| 02:44.49 | Danar | how do i get things working with sablevm? |
| 02:44.54 | epsilon | why "eventually be the next stable"? |
| 02:44.57 | Wyzard | apprentice: The next release will, but putting it into sarge would've been too big a change too late in the release cycle |
| 02:45.00 | lilgg | vladuz976 its just more friendly and not that hardcore as other distros:P |
| 02:45.25 | vladuz976 | lilgg, yeah but if i wanna learn the system then i shouldn't get a user friendly one |
| 02:45.30 | Wyzard | apprentice: Debian stable released put a very high priority on stability and well-testedness, so big changes don't get made near release time |
| 02:45.45 | Wyzard | epsilon: Are you asking why Debian will release more versions in the future? |
| 02:45.46 | tracysun | oh |
| 02:45.48 | tracysun | haha |
| 02:46.09 | apprentice | dang. im so confused with aptitude |
| 02:46.18 | epsilon | apprentice: search for 3rd party x.org deb packages on your own risk |
| 02:46.25 | apprentice | ok |
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| 02:46.31 | apprentice | well ill work with xfree |
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| 02:46.47 | epsilon | Wyzard: no, why eth will be "eventually" next stable. if no eth, what else? |
| 02:46.49 | lilgg | vladuz976 try crux then..i heard its good and minimilised or so |
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| 02:47.28 | apprentice | can someone help me get x plz |
| 02:47.32 | apprentice | aptitude is confusing |
| 02:47.34 | vladuz976 | so debian wouldn't do it you think? |
| 02:47.42 | apprentice | also i think i got xfree commons |
| 02:47.43 | apprentice | now what |
| 02:47.46 | apprentice | xorgconfig? |
| 02:47.46 | tracysun | where to download debian3.0 |
| 02:47.46 | tracysun | i want to install it via disk |
| 02:47.50 | epsilon | apprentice: you don't know dselect |
| 02:48.03 | apprentice | ? |
| 02:48.04 | apprentice | what |
| 02:48.06 | entheon | anyone know whether the Ti4200 is faster than the FX5200 ? |
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| 02:48.14 | SimonRaven | tracysun: you don't want 3.0, you want 3.1a |
| 02:48.22 | epsilon | 3.1a0 |
| 02:48.23 | lilgg | can any1 tell me why i cant install any packages? |
| 02:48.26 | Wyzard | epsilon: I don't understand your question... etch is currently not a release, but eventually, when it's ready, it will be released |
| 02:48.36 | SimonRaven | yeh that |
| 02:48.36 | epsilon | nm |
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| 02:49.06 | rbd | I'm creating a binary debian package. How would I cause an error in my DEBIAN/preinst file to cause the installation of the package to be aborted? |
| 02:49.18 | lilgg | tk8.4: Depends: libx11-6 but it is not going to be installed or |
| 02:49.18 | lilgg | xlibs (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 02:49.19 | lilgg | :s |
| 02:49.29 | tracysun | why 3.1a |
| 02:49.29 | Wyzard | rbd: I think returning a non-zero exit status will cause dpkg to abort |
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| 02:49.38 | tracysun | i want 3.0 |
| 02:49.46 | Wyzard | tracysun: Why do you want the old release? |
| 02:49.54 | apprentice | can someone be ncie and help ye |
| 02:50.13 | rbd | Wyzard, that's it. thanks |
| 02:50.20 | epsilon | tracysun: 3.0 is old, in MS-language like Windows 98 |
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| 02:50.37 | Wyzard | epsilon: Not quite that old... it's more recent than Windows XP, actually :-) |
| 02:50.46 | kairi | debian.org is down? |
| 02:51.03 | epsilon | rbd: write like exit <numer over 0> in script |
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| 02:51.16 | majnoon | ok i'm having trouble seting up lilo :( |
| 02:51.19 | lilgg | instead of chattin about woody:P and winbl0wz can some1 tell me why cant i install packages?:p |
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| 02:51.58 | epsilon | guk: maybe. must be proven |
| 02:52.07 | epsilon | s/guk/lilgg |
| 02:52.12 | Wyzard | lilgg: When apt says a package "is not going to be installed", apt-get install that package explicitly and it'll tell you why it can't |
| 02:52.16 | tracysun | what's kernel in 3.0 |
| 02:52.16 | tracysun | 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 02:52.16 | tracysun | one software only can run in 3.0 |
| 02:52.30 | Wyzard | tracysun: 2.4.x; I don't remember the x |
| 02:52.31 | epsilon | tracysun: 2.4 |
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| 02:53.06 | epsilon | tracysun: for 2.6 you need some backports from sarge for woody |
| 02:53.23 | lilgg | Wyzard it says i should use apt-get -f install..but nothin happends |
| 02:53.30 | lilgg | happens* |
| 02:53.47 | epsilon | tracysun: you run one whole box for only that program? |
| 02:53.55 | Wyzard | lilgg: Try "apt-get install libx11-6" |
| 02:54.09 | Wyzard | tracysun: IMO it'd be better to solve whatever problem prevents you from running the program in 3.1 |
| 02:54.21 | lilgg | Wyzard can i paste u what i get? |
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| 02:54.50 | Wyzard | lilgg: #flood |
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| 02:55.33 | Wyzard | lilgg: You have another instance of dpkg running already... can't install two packages at the same time |
| 02:55.41 | Wyzard | lilgg: Wait for the other installation to finish |
| 02:55.43 | epsilon | "debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process" <--- something else is running dpkg/apt |
| 02:55.51 | lilgg | but nothin is runnin |
| 02:55.57 | epsilon | ps aux |
| 02:56.07 | epsilon | something should be there |
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| 02:56.29 | lilgg | sth like? |
| 02:56.31 | epsilon | search for hanging installation process or something |
| 02:56.34 | Danar | make-jpkg keeps giving me "No matching plugin was found." |
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| 02:57.18 | lithium | How do you conf debian to startup in console? |
| 02:57.22 | Wyzard | Danar: Running unstable? |
| 02:57.26 | mfrisch | Danar use older version |
| 02:57.27 | epsilon | if unsure and no idea what's blocking, reboot :P |
| 02:57.30 | Danar | Wyzard: testing/unstable |
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| 02:57.34 | theblue | Hi all. |
| 02:57.56 | apprentice | were can i get more reposteries? |
| 02:57.57 | tracysun | i can't run some rpm packages |
| 02:57.59 | Danar | mfrisch: of what? |
| 02:58.05 | lilgg | oh darn |
| 02:58.05 | lilgg | thx |
| 02:58.06 | lilgg | :D |
| 02:58.09 | mfrisch | Danar use older version of java |
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| 02:58.22 | Wyzard | mfrisch: Shouldn't need to... I have that version installed and working on my system |
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| 02:58.25 | epsilon | tracysun: cause redhat sux |
| 02:58.25 | theblue | I'm trying to netinst sarge through a wired network, ran through a gateway, and onto a wireless network. Netinst says it can't find a default route, does anyone know how to help me with this? |
| 02:58.33 | mfrisch | apprentice at the Rx |
| 02:58.36 | Danar | mfrisch: uh, i'm trying to get it installed |
| 02:58.37 | abrotman | is it sarge or a daily? |
| 02:58.39 | Danar | oh |
| 02:58.40 | theblue | tracysun: Debian can't use rpm. |
| 02:58.53 | epsilon | theblue: route |
| 02:58.56 | Wyzard | Danar: The unstable version of java-package used to be broken due to a change in dpkg, but I think that's been fixed... have you upgraded recently? |
| 02:58.57 | abrotman | !alien |
| 02:58.57 | dpkg | from memory, alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 02:58.59 | theblue | epsilon: how? |
| 02:59.01 | abrotman | debian can use RPM |
| 02:59.03 | majnoon | lilo |
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| 02:59.09 | theblue | epsilon: How do I set a route? |
| 02:59.09 | majnoon | !lilo |
| 02:59.09 | dpkg | methinks lilo is the LInux LOader, and the head of staff of irc.freenode.net (who isn't named after the LInux LOader) |
| 02:59.13 | SimonRaven | alien... |
| 02:59.14 | falkon | msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 02:59.15 | Danar | Wyzard: yeah, almost daily |
| 02:59.16 | theblue | !grub |
| 02:59.16 | dpkg | hmm... grub is [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. |
| 02:59.19 | epsilon | theblue: use your keyboard and type this in root shell: "man route" |
| 02:59.19 | falkon | fuck |
| 02:59.24 | SimonRaven | not directly |
| 02:59.34 | abrotman | SimonRaven: it can directly also |
| 02:59.35 | theblue | Ok... |
| 02:59.47 | theblue | epsilon: On the gateway box? |
| 02:59.47 | abrotman | SimonRaven: with a lot of bullshit .. you can install RPMs directly |
| 03:00.20 | epsilon | theblue: on the which has no/broken route |
| 03:01.06 | Danar | mfrisch: there's bugs in older versions |
| 03:01.55 | SimonRaven | hm. what's the point anyway, rpm format sucks balls |
| 03:02.03 | mfrisch | Danar I just know I did not use the latest..like 1.5.1* |
| 03:02.03 | theblue | epsilon: Its the Debian netinst. |
| 03:02.05 | apprentice | can someone plz give me some more reposteries |
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| 03:02.22 | Danar | latest is 1.5.0_04 |
| 03:02.27 | epsilon | theblue: and? |
| 03:02.28 | SimonRaven | you can't even use separate tools to decompress them... |
| 03:02.29 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 03:02.29 | mfrisch | apprentice goto the Rx |
| 03:02.42 | theblue | epsilon: How do I get a root shell if I haven't even installed Debian yet? |
| 03:02.44 | SimonRaven | apprentice: apt-setup |
| 03:02.45 | abrotman | apprentice: apt-setup |
| 03:02.54 | apprentice | ? |
| 03:02.56 | abrotman | SimonRaven: just .. cause? :) |
| 03:02.56 | Danar | last available version before that is 1.4.2 |
| 03:02.57 | majnoon | lilo :P |
| 03:03.01 | abrotman | apprentice: it's a command .. run it |
| 03:03.08 | falkon | having a problem with the nvidia one-liner. The nvidia kernel source is not being built properly, but it is not telling me what is wrong |
| 03:03.21 | falkon | anyone ran into this? |
| 03:03.26 | SimonRaven | with a deb, you do ar por ar x and you can pipe that through tar zx or something |
| 03:03.29 | mfrisch | Danar you can use 1.5 just not the latest one |
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| 03:03.40 | SimonRaven | s/por/or/ |
| 03:03.45 | abrotman | ar x |
| 03:03.48 | Wyzard | abrotman: You can install RPMs directly, but good luck with correct dependiencies, integration with Debian infrastructure, and all the other things a Debian package normally does besides being in the .deb file format |
| 03:03.49 | Danar | mfrisch: and where do you propose i get one that's not the latest one/ |
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| 03:04.15 | SimonRaven | i usually do ar p when i do: ar p data.tar.gz file.deb | tar zx |
| 03:04.17 | abrotman | Wyzard: RPM has a way to force them ... just like dpkg .. i didn't say it would run .. just install :) |
| 03:04.19 | mischko | I have packages removed by apt-get but I can't figure out how to purge them without reinstalling them. ? |
| 03:04.24 | mfrisch | Danar at sun |
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| 03:04.33 | litage | i'm poking around an old machine that i just obtained, and when it boots, it says it's entering runlevel 7. how can that be? i thought the only runlevels were 0-6 |
| 03:04.44 | SimonRaven | no, got the order wrong, file.deb data.tar.gz |
| 03:04.47 | mwilson | grrr |
| 03:04.49 | Danar | mfrisch: as i said, last available version before that is 1.4.2 |
| 03:05.05 | abrotman | litage: is it linux? |
| 03:05.06 | epsilon | runlevel 7? sure it's debian? |
| 03:05.17 | mwilson | Sure it's Linux at all? |
| 03:05.27 | SimonRaven | rc 7? WTF |
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| 03:05.39 | epsilon | 7-9 are custom iirc, not used by deabian in default |
| 03:05.41 | abrotman | and you can always define more in inittab i think |
| 03:05.53 | mfrisch | Danar I recently downloaded 1.5rev01 |
| 03:05.55 | abrotman | epsilon: NO linux i've seen has ever had more than 6 by default |
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| 03:06.07 | abrotman | epsilon: and debian doesn't define them at all |
| 03:06.11 | SimonRaven | uh, bzzt. no such runlevels in linux |
| 03:06.24 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you can define them in inittab afaik |
| 03:06.55 | SimonRaven | i'm going to read the man page instead of speculate |
| 03:06.57 | epsilon | sure you can create custom runlevel... but in debian even 2-5 are afaik same |
| 03:07.03 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you dirty reader! |
| 03:07.15 | abrotman | epsilon: yes .. but that doesn't explain why you think debian has a 7-9 |
| 03:07.25 | abrotman | noone waves to me ... |
| 03:07.34 | SimonRaven | Valid runlevels are 0-6 plus A, B, and C for ondemand entries |
| 03:08.01 | mwilson | abrotman: What would you like me to wave? :) |
| 03:08.04 | SimonRaven | first fucking paragraph |
| 03:08.08 | abrotman | mwilson: your ear! |
| 03:08.21 | abrotman | SimonRaven: i've never tried to add more |
| 03:08.41 | bunnzy_ | is here any hope? |
| 03:08.52 | abrotman | for you .. no |
| 03:09.09 | abrotman | SimonRaven: i just thought you could add more |
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| 03:09.17 | epsilon | ah right, level 4 was custom one (or should be) |
| 03:09.24 | abrotman | !tell XefseeE about root |
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| 03:10.27 | Danar | make-jpkg keeps giving me "No matching plugin was found." anyone have a solution to this? |
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| 03:10.54 | falkon | anyone install nvidia drivers have problems with nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 03:11.11 | SimonRaven | wow, that was so *HARD!* |
| 03:11.22 | falkon | when I do the one-liner it doesn't work... doesn't say why, just failed |
| 03:11.22 | abrotman | SimonRaven: to do what? |
| 03:11.28 | abrotman | SimonRaven: to read the man page? |
| 03:11.30 | SimonRaven | read |
| 03:11.43 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you seemed far more interested than i did .. :) |
| 03:11.47 | SimonRaven | note i have sarcasm levels turned to high |
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| 03:11.55 | abrotman | !phillysmite SimonRaven |
| 03:13.16 | dob2 | there is a combination of keys to press when an ssh session hangs on exit. i don't remember which is, someone remember? |
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| 03:14.15 | dob2 | ok found, i wrote it on a note :) |
| 03:14.24 | Wyzard | dob2: <enter> <tilde> <period> |
| 03:14.33 | dob2 | yes thanks |
| 03:15.16 | SimonRaven | that one i didn't know. cool |
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| 03:15.41 | dondelelcaro | interesting; I always just murder them off |
| 03:15.59 | Wyzard | SimonRaven: There are some other useful escapes... search for the tilde character in the ssh manpage |
| 03:16.07 | falkon | Nvidia's own driver setup won't build |
| 03:16.22 | Wyzard | falkon: Don't use nvidia's installer |
| 03:16.23 | falkon | this is really fucked up. I've installed the nvidia drivers twice now with no issues |
| 03:16.34 | SimonRaven | Wyzard: coolness, thanks dude |
| 03:16.37 | falkon | Wyzard: I used the one-liner... I've used it 3 times now |
| 03:16.44 | falkon | and it worked |
| 03:16.50 | falkon | now it doesn't for no fucking reason |
| 03:17.02 | SimonRaven | i blame the crappy driver |
| 03:17.21 | falkon | the driver hasn't changed, and if it has, well I'm fucked |
| 03:17.30 | falkon | I might as well go dig up the pirated XP cd |
| 03:17.55 | Danar | sablevm gives java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: Azureus2.jar not found in java.lang.ClassLoader |
| 03:18.01 | SimonRaven | which version? the one after 7174 doesn't support older cards (i read they have plans to include them again later - supposedly) |
| 03:18.23 | falkon | SimonRaven: how do I tell which one I have? |
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| 03:18.35 | SimonRaven | dpkg -l packagename |
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| 03:18.36 | dpkg | ii packagename 2.7-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 03:18.38 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 03:19.00 | falkon | SimonRaven: I guess do that on nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 03:19.05 | SimonRaven | dpkg: ;p |
| 03:19.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton |
| 03:19.23 | SimonRaven | yes.. =) |
| 03:19.41 | Wyzard | SimonRaven: That wouldn't cause a compile error though |
| 03:19.55 | falkon | SimonRaven: returns 7174-4 |
| 03:20.18 | SimonRaven | no, just "YOUR CARD IS UNSUPPORTED YOU FUCKER!!!!!1111" |
| 03:20.24 | falkon | if it means anything my card is the geforce 2 [GO] |
| 03:20.44 | Wyzard | falkon: Then your card won't be supported by a newer driver... but even then it would still compile, and just fail to start X |
| 03:20.53 | SimonRaven | yup |
| 03:21.00 | falkon | well within this same year |
| 03:21.13 | falkon | I've used the one-liner three times with no issues |
| 03:21.34 | falkon | if it's a problem with the nvidia-kernel, where do I get an older one |
| 03:22.05 | Gumby | is security.debian.org down right now? |
| 03:22.37 | Wyzard | Gumby: Yes, it seems to be |
| 03:22.46 | falkon | Wyzard: any clue? |
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| 03:23.18 | Wyzard | falkon: Not from the very limited information that it "won't build" |
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| 03:23.37 | mischko | is debian.org down?? |
| 03:23.49 | Gumby | seems like it might be |
| 03:23.50 | alistair | nope |
| 03:23.57 | Gumby | at least security.debian.org |
| 03:24.01 | falkon | Wyzard: I wish I could give you a specific error message, but the truth is that there is no error message. It just says Nvidia kernel failed to build |
| 03:24.14 | Wyzard | falkon: Look farther up in the output |
| 03:24.18 | Gumby | falkon: the nvidia kernel creates a log file |
| 03:24.22 | alistair | linux rules |
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| 03:24.28 | litage | epsilon, mwilson: sorry for the delay. yes, it's linux, but it's SME Server (formerly e-smith), not debian |
| 03:24.28 | mischko | packages.debian.org is not answering to me or www.debian.org. |
| 03:24.39 | falkon | Gumby: the log file is cryptic |
| 03:24.40 | alistair | who likes linux |
| 03:24.41 | yoda | I installed mepis today. I was working fine until I tried to update using the synaptic package mgr |
| 03:24.58 | Gumby | falkon: hasnt been when I have read it in the past. its been in plain english. |
| 03:25.05 | yoda | Now I don't have sound when I logon |
| 03:25.11 | Gumby | falkon: google is your friend. so is the nvidia howto |
| 03:25.12 | alistair | try downloading spintp package |
| 03:25.40 | alistair | go to registARy settings |
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| 03:26.00 | mischko | Anyone have a copy of libapache2-mod-python2.4 I can get at. debian is not answering from 3 different geographically seperated servers. |
| 03:26.00 | penny | google is your friend, but not for me |
| 03:26.10 | yoda | I don't know what went wrong |
| 03:26.23 | SimonRaven | Cyis: brian may accepted the sub-tree search patch you did up for heimdal 0.6.3. i sent it in, figuring more people should be able to enjoy it :) |
| 03:26.27 | Wyzard | mischko: debian.lcs.mit.edu seems to be working |
| 03:26.28 | jonesy | Does anyone actually know what's going on with www. and security. ? |
| 03:26.40 | mischko | and packages |
| 03:26.51 | falkon | Gumby: found it |
| 03:27.04 | falkon | Gumby: that damn rivafb crap |
| 03:27.08 | SimonRaven | @topicsmite dumb questions |
| 03:27.09 | ravenbird | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon dumb questions. And all the people marvelled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 03:27.27 | yoda | can I fix this from the command line? |
| 03:27.28 | Gumby | falkon: the rivadb message can usually safely be ignored |
| 03:27.50 | mfrisch | jonesy yeah we're reading your p0rn right now |
| 03:27.52 | falkon | Gumby: it seems to have failed on the rivafb sanity check |
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| 03:28.49 | SimonRaven | Wyzard: you doing file -s /dev/hd46 or whatever? |
| 03:28.51 | Gumby | falkon: as it always does, and as I just said.... that part can be ignored |
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| 03:29.10 | falkon | Gumby: that's the only part that returned an error. |
| 03:29.12 | Wyzard | SimonRaven: yep |
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| 03:29.36 | Gumby | falkon: paste your log to a pastebin somewhere and then paste the resulting URL here for people to have a look at |
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| 03:29.49 | falkon | Gumby: errr how do I do that from console? |
| 03:29.55 | falkon | irssi :) |
| 03:29.58 | SimonRaven | Wyzard: strange. add the magic to it? |
| 03:30.00 | Wyzard | SimonRaven: I know I'm using it correctly, and it recognizes other filesystem types (such as ext3 and XFS) correctly... just not reiser |
| 03:30.21 | SimonRaven | heh. no big loss ;p |
| 03:30.50 | Gumby | falkon: you do not have a pc with a gui browser on it? |
| 03:31.02 | Gumby | or a server of some sort to post a file to? |
| 03:31.21 | pietro_spina | hey, Does anyone here know how to do an apt-cache search or something with apt-get to list packages that are upgradable? |
| 03:31.22 | falkon | Gumby: sorry, I'm being stupid, let me stick it on a samba share |
| 03:31.48 | mischko | libapache2-mod-python2.4 is not in stable, testing, or unstable. Might it be anywhere else? |
| 03:32.23 | mischko | If I can't find it, I'll have to install compiled python. |
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| 03:33.08 | Nwallins | is there anything better than http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/perfect_setup_debian_sarge/index.php for a generic webserver setup? or comparable, even |
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| 03:34.06 | mischko | Or can someone tell me how to make a package that will work from source code? |
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| 03:34.20 | Wyzard | mischko: It's probably not packaged yet |
| 03:34.44 | mischko | Wyzard, do you know how to upgrade an existing debian package to a new version? Seems the hard work's already done.... |
| 03:34.47 | majnoon | still having trouble with lilo :( |
| 03:34.58 | pietro_spina | yes I know Synaptic... would show them... I just want to know the CL way also.. |
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| 03:35.02 | wardes | What don't have anything on my /mnt ???? |
| 03:35.03 | d0ugie | like ssh, is there an ftp server that is somehow secure enough to let me connect in with root? |
| 03:35.11 | dondelelcaro | mischko: generally you can use uscan or similar to update the tarball and apply the diff; but it's often far more complex than that. |
| 03:35.20 | Nwallins | d0ugie: they invented su for a reason |
| 03:35.30 | Mortalman | My user crontab = "@reboot vncserver", but it doesn't run and I get no errors/mail. Anyone have any idea why this might be? |
| 03:35.31 | Nwallins | well, for ssh |
| 03:35.38 | d0ugie | Nwallins: not to mention sudo |
| 03:35.51 | dondelelcaro | Mortalman: vncserver isn't in the user's path, or that user can't execute vncserver |
| 03:36.02 | d0ugie | but I kinda want the login ability, at least inside my network .. |
| 03:36.07 | mischko | dondelelcaro, where do I get the tarball and diff? |
| 03:36.10 | dondelelcaro | Mortalman: check out the cron logs (/var/log/daemon.log or whatever you have syslog set to) |
| 03:36.16 | dondelelcaro | mischko: apt-get source foopkg; |
| 03:37.01 | d0ugie | c'mon nwallins |
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| 03:37.19 | falkon | Gumby: http://pastebin.com/345650 |
| 03:37.22 | Nwallins | d0ugie: i am opposed to your entire line of reasoning and have no answers |
| 03:37.23 | d0ugie | Penix. my man. |
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| 03:37.51 | Mortalman | dondelelcaro: I can run it from command prompt so I don't think it's a path issue and I get no errors in /var/log/* |
| 03:37.55 | d0ugie | Nwallins: my reasoning being that sshds allow root logins, how about a secure encrypted ftp server doing the same? |
| 03:37.58 | pietro_spina | dondelelcaro: do you know how to do an apt-cache search or something with apt-get to list packages that are upgradable? |
| 03:38.00 | d0ugie | that reasoning? |
| 03:38.09 | Nwallins | d0ugie: yes, i turn root login off on sshd |
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| 03:38.37 | Wyzard | d0ugie: SFTP maybe? |
| 03:38.41 | Gumby | falkon: did you miss the 20 or so errors saying "./conftest.sh: line 9: gcc-3.3: command not found" |
| 03:38.46 | d0ugie | bravo .. man, can't ever get a question about root in without someone going stuffy about security |
| 03:38.56 | Wyzard | d0ugie: though I agree with Nwallins that it's a good idea to turn off root SSH logins |
| 03:38.59 | wireddd | has anyone gotten google talk to work with wine? |
| 03:39.03 | Nwallins | d0ugie: keep pushing and i've got more for ya |
| 03:39.13 | d0ugie | Wyzard: not seeing it on apt |
| 03:39.29 | Wyzard | d0ugie: It's part of SSH |
| 03:39.45 | falkon | Gumby: oh... right |
| 03:40.01 | d0ugie | i see .. well i'll go ahead and man ssh so as not to troll about root |
| 03:40.09 | falkon | Gumby: do you see where it says "hey your gcc is mismatched" then it says it's going to go ahead |
| 03:40.24 | Gumby | falkon: I sure do |
| 03:40.32 | falkon | falkon: how do I fix that? I used a kernel image |
| 03:41.01 | Gumby | I suggest google and the nvidia howto |
| 03:41.22 | falkon | Gumby: it seems to be more an issue of mismatched compilers |
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| 03:41.44 | Gumby | great, so you know what it is. fix it |
| 03:41.46 | Danar | sablevm gives java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: Azureus2.jar not found in java.lang.ClassLoader |
| 03:41.49 | Danar | can anyone help? |
| 03:41.51 | falkon | If I reinstall the kernel now that I've upgraded to gcc 4, will it fix it? |
| 03:42.30 | falkon | Gumby: thanks for your help. I'm going to try this out |
| 03:42.31 | Gumby | which kernel-source do you have installed? |
| 03:42.44 | falkon | Gumby: Kernel-image-2.6.8 |
| 03:42.46 | Gumby | I assume it matches your kernel |
| 03:42.56 | Gumby | falkon: thats not a kernel source, thats a kernel-image |
| 03:43.03 | falkon | ohhhh |
| 03:43.04 | falkon | okay |
| 03:43.13 | Mortalman | lol |
| 03:43.49 | cafuego | if you see where it says "hey your gcc is mismatched" and it then stops, you're using the wrong package. |
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| 03:44.15 | falkon | cafuego: what package should be used, and which is wrong? |
| 03:44.25 | falkon | I'm following the one-liner |
| 03:44.31 | cafuego | the nvidia-kernel-source package automatically ignores it. |
| 03:44.41 | cafuego | ... and works fine with make-kpkg. |
| 03:44.56 | cafuego | if you're using a downlaod from nvidia... |
| 03:44.57 | majnoon | trying to install grub in the chroot |
| 03:45.04 | cafuego | then you're in the wrong support channel. |
| 03:45.21 | falkon | cafuego: no, I'm using the one-liner |
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| 03:45.32 | falkon | !tell cafuego nvidia one-liner |
| 03:45.32 | weirdcreep | are all debian sites down?? |
| 03:45.33 | Danar | what's the best javavm alternative? |
| 03:45.33 | weirdcreep | ?? |
| 03:45.35 | majnoon | any grub experts ?? |
| 03:45.42 | Danar | i'm trying to use sablevm, but it's not working |
| 03:45.54 | falkon | weirdcreep: just die. look at the damn topic |
| 03:45.55 | mischko | How do I add hoary ubunto to my apt-get sources? |
| 03:46.05 | dondelelcaro | mischko: ask in #ubuntu |
| 03:46.05 | cafuego | falkon 'export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1' and rerun make-kpkg |
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| 03:46.11 | mischko | k |
| 03:46.22 | cafuego | mischko: Don't mix ubuntu apckages into Debian. it WILL break. |
| 03:46.39 | ray | hey guys im having problems making a file........anybody good at compiling? |
| 03:46.42 | mischko | cafuego, that bad, huh? |
| 03:46.43 | penny | strange... www.debian.org is down |
| 03:46.44 | falkon | cafuego: do you know the one-liner I'm referring to? |
| 03:46.52 | cafuego | penny: /topic |
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| 03:47.00 | cafuego | mischko: libc6 issues |
| 03:47.05 | majnoon | penny try www.us.debian.org |
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| 03:47.13 | weirdcreep | what about apt-get? |
| 03:47.20 | EasterSunshine | ray: i bet the guys ##c are good at compiling, although they might refer you to a channel for your specific compiler |
| 03:47.23 | falkon | cafuego: hey thanks for your help. Ima have to get back to this |
| 03:47.30 | penny | oh I see. www.xxx.debian.org ? |
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| 03:47.40 | mischko | cafuego, what about using the source file to help with the update of the one I want for Debian? |
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| 03:48.00 | ray | well im getting an error on the make command trying to install alsa-utils |
| 03:48.01 | cafuego | mischko: You can indeed custom compile the ubuntu source deb on debian, yes. |
| 03:48.03 | BrianAnthony | I have an NTFS formatted hardrive on /dev/hdb, but it's not mounting, or showing up on /etc/fstab. But it shows the information on the hardrive in the startup messages |
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| 03:48.29 | mischko | cafuego, can you explain how that's done for mod_python? |
| 03:48.34 | cafuego | deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe |
| 03:48.39 | SerajewelKS | is there a quick way to use mplayer or xine to transcode a WMV to... anything else? |
| 03:48.48 | cafuego | mischko: apt-get -b source mod_python |
| 03:49.19 | mischko | cafuego, meaning to get it from Ubuntu? |
| 03:49.39 | cafuego | mischko: That wuill do it, provided you add that line I pasted to sources.list and did an apt-get update |
| 03:50.00 | mischko | ubuntu seems to know of the package as this: libapache2-mod-python2.4_3.1.3-2.2ubuntu4_i386.deb |
| 03:51.18 | ray | well im getting an error on the make command trying to install alsa-utils |
| 03:51.49 | Wyzard | ray: Why are you compiling alsa-utils from source? |
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| 03:52.06 | mischko | cafuego, libapache2-mod-python2.4, actually. |
| 03:52.12 | cafuego | mischko: Yes. |
| 03:52.14 | mischko | cafuego, once I get the source, what do I do? |
| 03:52.15 | ray | Wyzard, cuz i need the very newest version for my sound card to work |
| 03:52.19 | EasterSunshine | ray: use the prcompiled deb |
| 03:52.28 | cafuego | mischko: Fetch the deb-src, build it with dpkg-buildpackage; install it. |
| 03:52.32 | Wyzard | ray: alsa-utils doesn't contain the drivers |
| 03:52.33 | Danar | sablevm gives java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: Azureus2.jar not found in java.lang.ClassLoader |
| 03:52.35 | Danar | can anyone help? |
| 03:52.41 | ray | Wyzard, yes i know |
| 03:52.44 | mischko | cafuego, that won't carry the libc6 strangeness to my box then? |
| 03:52.58 | cafuego | mischko: No, because it'll depend on YOUR libc6, not the Ubuntu one. |
| 03:53.09 | mischko | ok |
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| 03:53.31 | cafuego | mischko: You may need to tweak debian/control for depends etc in the source archive. |
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| 03:53.42 | cafuego | mischko: That's farly self-explanatory though. |
| 03:53.49 | ray | mv: cannot stat `t-ja.gmo': No such file or directory? |
| 03:53.55 | mischko | cafuego, I hope so. I'm very new to this stuff. |
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| 03:54.20 | majnoon | running lilo i get this Warning: Partition 1 on /dev/hda is not marked Active. |
| 03:54.22 | jason^ | so if i'm using debian testing, should i be using kernel 2.6.8 or 2.6.11? |
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| 03:55.02 | ray | ok my sound works but i cant open amixer or alsamixer? |
| 03:55.07 | majnoon | how do i get activate hda1 ?? |
| 03:55.33 | Gnea | majnoon: set it to bootable |
| 03:56.03 | majnoon | ok |
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| 03:56.31 | Mortalman | debian(sarge) cron == vixie-cron ?? |
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| 03:56.56 | d0ugie | so about how many bytes can gzip crank a .5gig access.log down to, give or take? |
| 03:57.37 | Gnea | d0ugie: not as down as bzip2 can |
| 03:57.50 | majnoon | lilo SHOULD work now |
| 03:57.59 | Gnea | try it and see |
| 03:58.02 | Wyzard | d0ugie: rzip might be better for that |
| 03:58.18 | mischko | cafuego, it's giving me problems in downloading the source. Says some things are missing.... |
| 03:58.20 | mischko | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 4.2.28) python python2.3-dev python2.4-dev apache2-threaded-dev (>= 2.0.50-10) |
| 03:58.20 | mischko | dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. |
| 03:58.20 | mischko | dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.) |
| 03:58.21 | mischko | Build command 'cd libapache2-mod-python-3.1.3 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed. |
| 03:58.50 | d0ugie | Gnea: i'm sure you're right.. could you ballpark an estimate for those two? i mean three compression things dealing with my half a gig access.log |
| 03:58.54 | lithium | How do you conf debian to startup in console? |
| 03:59.04 | d0ugie | i'm running out of space on account of my access.logs |
| 03:59.14 | Mortalman | lithium: You mean... keep X from starting? |
| 03:59.26 | d0ugie | but i never ever want to forget any single line on those damn logs, damnit |
| 03:59.35 | mischko | Gnea, why the odd look? |
| 03:59.38 | Gnea | d0ugie: well let me put it this way: i can compress a 3gig binary image down to around 800meg with bzip2 |
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| 03:59.47 | d0ugie | No s-word |
| 03:59.48 | lithium | mortalman: yesir |
| 03:59.48 | Gnea | !tell mischko about paste |
| 03:59.50 | d0ugie | that's good |
| 03:59.51 | BrianAnthony | does the 2.6.8-2-k7 kernel support mounting NTFS drives? |
| 03:59.59 | d0ugie | what about a text file, ya think |
| 04:00.09 | Gnea | even better |
| 04:00.13 | mischko | !thank you. |
| 04:00.14 | d0ugie | how better :) |
| 04:00.25 | Gnea | text *always* compresses better than binary :) |
| 04:00.30 | Gnea | it's a rule of thumb |
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| 04:00.38 | d0ugie | like, 5 times better, or eleventy times? what |
| 04:00.45 | Gnea | it scales, really |
| 04:00.48 | dondelelcaro | depends on the text and it depends on the binary |
| 04:00.51 | Gnea | rzip might work good fofr it |
| 04:00.57 | TraceGreen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:01.07 | Gnea | it seems to utilize bzip2 functions |
| 04:01.11 | Mortalman | lithium: Easiest way would be to uninstall X, but you can always remove /etc/rc2.d/S99xdm |
| 04:01.13 | d0ugie | Gnea: please don't feel afraid to give me a wildly inaccurate ballpark |
| 04:01.18 | dondelelcaro | since most text really only uses ~80 characters out of 256 possibilities, there's a lot of space for compressing. |
| 04:01.23 | StereoSkit | dudes, a dumb question: www.debian.org is offline? |
| 04:01.29 | dondelelcaro | StereoSkit: /topic |
| 04:01.38 | StereoSkit | k |
| 04:01.41 | lithium | mortalman: your kidding? |
| 04:01.54 | Gnea | d0ugie: ok - gzip a 500meg textfile might bring it down to around 100meg, with bzip2, around 50meg? |
| 04:01.59 | lithium | mortalman: no changing of runlevel on startup or something like that? |
| 04:02.06 | StereoSkit | ah k! tnx dondelelcaro |
| 04:02.13 | d0ugie | wow bitchx never tells me about the titles on its own ... well it does, but real fast-like so i get the #debian doodz pissed |
| 04:02.18 | Gnea | d0ugie: it's been a long time since i gzipped a 500meg textfile tho :) |
| 04:02.19 | lithium | martalman: there has to be some simple configuration change that would allow the runlevel to be not (start in x) |
| 04:02.26 | ray | does anybody have alsamixer working? |
| 04:02.34 | Gnea | heh |
| 04:02.38 | Gnea | ray: yes |
| 04:02.39 | Mortalman | lithium: You could do it that way, but I think XDM is in runlevels 2-5. So it won't harm to remove it from one. |
| 04:02.50 | epsilon | is there any mirror of security.debian.org? |
| 04:02.54 | ray | Gnea, did you have to do anything special? |
| 04:03.04 | d0ugie | Gnea: damn that's good .. not too hard to pico apache's conf to use bzip? |
| 04:03.09 | Gnea | ray: i think i ran alsaconf |
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| 04:03.18 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: there are a few, but they're not that great. klecker should be back up in a while,. |
| 04:03.29 | ray | Gnea, yeah i ran it still no alsamixer : ( |
| 04:03.30 | Gnea | d0ugie: that's a much smaller scale :) |
| 04:03.39 | Gnea | ray: what's the error? |
| 04:03.42 | Mortalman | lithium: If you remove it from /etc/rc2.d you still have it in the others and can always copy it back from the others if you want it back. IT's only a symlink anyway. |
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| 04:03.44 | d0ugie | if only apache could save logs automatically using gmail somehow |
| 04:03.48 | Gnea | ray: if you gotta paste, use the pastebot |
| 04:03.54 | ray | Gnea, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 04:03.58 | Gnea | hrm |
| 04:04.05 | epsilon | dondelelcaro: is there any special reason why s.d.o is not widely mirrored? |
| 04:04.06 | ray | sorry didnt know about pastebot |
| 04:04.07 | Gnea | ray: you know, i'm having the same problem on a laptop |
| 04:04.15 | Gnea | it's cool, it was only 1 line :) |
| 04:04.32 | Gnea | when you hit 4 lines that's when it becomes borderlined |
| 04:05.16 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: what happened to s.d.o anyway? dns failure? |
| 04:05.17 | ray | brb |
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| 04:05.37 | d0ugie | if you wrote a .deb that would tweak apache to invite itself a gmail account from some slashdotter or whatever and use each account to split up and email in the access.log files automagically.. man if you pulled that off... umm... i dont know where i'm going with this, i don't have anything to offer |
| 04:06.08 | d0ugie | of course you'd have to follow up with a webalizer module to process those |
| 04:06.17 | Gnea | d0ugie: put the bong down and step away from it, slowwwwwwwwwwwwwly... |
| 04:06.23 | d0ugie | heh |
| 04:06.30 | Mortalman | lol |
| 04:06.32 | Gnea | or is that a crackpipe? |
| 04:06.35 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:06.37 | Mortalman | That's awesome. |
| 04:06.41 | d0ugie | Dude crack is so underrated |
| 04:06.45 | d0ugie | demonized by The Man |
| 04:06.48 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: because using the mirrors of it is problematic |
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| 04:06.57 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: the box has gone poof apparently |
| 04:06.59 | d0ugie | while we're on the subject |
| 04:07.15 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: that sucks, any updates yet? |
| 04:07.15 | Mortalman | lithium: You got that? You got kinda quiet. heh |
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| 04:07.28 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: nah, I don't even know exactly what happened to the box |
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| 04:07.52 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: hrm |
| 04:07.56 | ray | ok can somebody try and help me with alsamixer |
| 04:08.03 | rking | ray: shoot. |
| 04:08.04 | dondelelcaro | ray: just ask your question |
| 04:08.11 | Gnea | ray: i can try, i've been trying to figure this out |
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| 04:08.24 | ray | rking, i get this error....alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 04:08.35 | dafen | for the latest kernel 2.6.12, does ipw2200 require ieee80211 subsystem? |
| 04:08.43 | majnoon | ok trying it again |
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| 04:09.10 | rking | ray: are you sure alsa support is working, etc? |
| 04:09.29 | ray | rking, im pretty sure....how would i check? |
| 04:09.43 | ray | rking, i get the same error when i try amixer |
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| 04:10.16 | Gnea | those are always fun |
| 04:10.29 | majnoon | <<getting CLOSE |
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| 04:11.07 | mogorman_ | hi all yall |
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| 04:11.48 | mogorman_ | can someone point me to the right direction on how i can create my own sig. for dpkg files? |
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| 04:11.59 | Mortalman | How do I go about allowing users other then root halt/reboot privs ?? |
| 04:12.06 | majnoon | <---that away ---> ??? |
| 04:12.12 | dondelelcaro | Mortalman: with sudo or using /etc/shutdown.allow |
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| 04:12.24 | dondelelcaro | (various DMs can do it too) |
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| 04:12.35 | Mortalman | dondelelcaro: I like that second one. heh Thanks. |
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| 04:13.39 | adjacent | should my system load both emu10k and snd-emu10k? |
| 04:13.44 | mogorman_ | anybody sign there own debian packages? |
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| 04:14.00 | Mortalman | dondelelcaro: What if /etc/shutdown.allow does not exist? Should I just create it? |
| 04:14.03 | dondelelcaro | mogorman_: yes, you sign the .changes file or the .dsc file. |
| 04:14.06 | mogorman_ | i guess i can just leave it unsigned for now, but would like to know how to do it properly |
| 04:14.18 | mogorman_ | i know dondele |
| 04:14.22 | mogorman_ | but you have to create a sig |
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| 04:14.28 | mogorman_ | that it matches against |
| 04:14.39 | mogorman_ | i remeber there was some easy way to do it |
| 04:14.47 | Debird | anyone worked with Phoogle? I am getting a Fatal error: Call to undefined function xml_parser_create() in blah blah blah on line 1234 |
| 04:14.49 | dondelelcaro | Mortalman: man shutdown; |
| 04:14.49 | mogorman_ | like deb-make-sig |
| 04:14.51 | rking | ray: sorry, i got distracted |
| 04:14.52 | mogorman_ | but i cant find it |
| 04:15.02 | ray | rking, thats ok |
| 04:15.05 | Zenethian | How do I get apt to shut up about "unverifyable packages" |
| 04:15.06 | dondelelcaro | mogorman_: eh? no, you sign the .dsc and .changes files with a gpg key |
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| 04:15.20 | rking | ray: apt-get install alsa-utils; if you haven't already, and try: aplay foo.wav |
| 04:15.23 | Mortalman | dondelelcaro: hehe, ok |
| 04:15.33 | mogorman_ | right but the key matches everything etc i cant remeber |
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| 04:15.38 | ray | rking, sound works.......just no alsamixer |
| 04:15.42 | rking | ray: if that doesn't work, do you have anything at all in /proc/asound |
| 04:15.58 | dondelelcaro | mogorman_: eh? no, it doesn't. The GPG key is your own key, it shouldn't match anything at all. |
| 04:16.03 | rking | ray: at this point, i'd probably bring out my dear buddy strace. try strace -e open alsamixer |
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| 04:16.26 | ray | rking, ok |
| 04:16.39 | rking | does anyone want to debug iaxcomm with me? i'm trying to set up the ability to do one-on-one calls, as well as conference calls via asterisk, but it's kind of hard to do solo |
| 04:16.55 | ray | rking, didnt work |
| 04:17.13 | ray | rking, this si what i have in /proc/asound |
| 04:17.14 | rking | ray: strace didn't work? apt-get install strace |
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| 04:17.43 | ray | rking, card0 cards devices Intel modules oss pcm seq timers version |
| 04:17.45 | Supaplex | awwwe p.d.o is down ;/ well atleast it's not just me. |
| 04:17.56 | rking | ray: yeah, that's much like what i have |
| 04:18.14 | ray | rking, strace already the newest version |
| 04:18.35 | Debird | how do I get xml support in php? i already installed libxml2 |
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| 04:18.56 | rking | ray: well, i mean, you say strace failed... what do you mean? it's not supposed to fix anything, btw, it's just going to show you what file it's trying to open when it says, "can't open file" |
| 04:18.58 | itp560 | I want to resize my partitions ( ext3 ) I used resize2fs but when I do a cfdisk the size hasn't changed ? |
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| 04:19.16 | ray | rking, im gonna have to paste |
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| 04:19.35 | rking | ray: rafb.net/nopaste |
| 04:19.35 | Supaplex | dpkg: what $%*@$( package is pslatex in? |
| 04:19.37 | dpkg | Supaplex: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 04:19.51 | rking | ray: urr.. rafb.net/paste |
| 04:20.03 | ray | ok |
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| 04:21.11 | ray | rking, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/99R9Dq69.html |
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| 04:22.06 | rking | ray: hrmm... ok, mine succeeds on the open of /dev/snd/controlC0 ... |
| 04:22.30 | rking | ray: can you rafb.net/paste your ls -l /dev/snd |
| 04:22.33 | Supaplex | apt: fight dpkg |
| 04:22.35 | apt | ACTION laughs as dpkg reboots shell.aros.net sending supaplex into the aether |
| 04:22.39 | ray | rking, yup |
| 04:22.45 | Zenethian | haha |
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| 04:23.23 | ray | rking, i dont even have that directory! |
| 04:23.26 | Debird | would libxml2 need to be installed before php for php to see it? |
| 04:23.55 | rking | ray: well, that's definitely odd, i'm thinking |
| 04:24.13 | rking | ray: is your alsa compiled as a kernel module or as a static clinger? |
| 04:24.15 | TraceGreen | Hello, can anyone help me with bootsplash? |
| 04:24.25 | ray | rking, i have no idea... |
| 04:24.34 | rking | TraceGreen: love the nick, but i got to say, you just ask questions here, no asking to ask. |
| 04:24.38 | Supaplex | Debird: apt-cache search php4 | grep xml |
| 04:24.51 | rking | ray: what about rafb.net/paste'ing your lsmod output? |
| 04:24.57 | ray | ok |
| 04:25.10 | rking | ray: i'm kind of learning with you here - i don't really know that much about sound stuff. i generally hack at it until it works then stop. =) |
| 04:25.18 | Debird | thanks Supaplex |
| 04:25.27 | TraceGreen | rking, ok, when i boot, screen just black, either splash=silent/verbose |
| 04:25.41 | ray | rking, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/xnpVDr84.html |
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| 04:26.02 | rking | TraceGreen: where is your config coming from? did you copy an example? modify what the debian package gave you? etc |
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| 04:26.27 | TraceGreen | rking, sorry, but what config? |
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| 04:26.54 | Penix | there is no debian package |
| 04:26.59 | TraceGreen | rking, i am using Debian kernel 2.6.11 and patch certain diff for bootsplash |
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| 04:27.26 | rking | ray: uname -a ? |
| 04:27.47 | ray | rking, Linux ray 2.6.11-1-686-smp #1 SMP Mon Jun 20 20:18:45 MDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:27.51 | Yuusou | I just installed debian a few minutes ago on my comp, however, whenever I boot it, it always says: Cannot Display This Video Mode. Anybody know the problem? |
| 04:28.27 | rking | TraceGreen: ahh, shoooey, yeah, you're way beyond my experience with this stuff here... i've never been one for boot splashy things, because... i don't reboot that much =) are you sure that bootsplash is stable and known to work on 2.6.11, etc? |
| 04:28.29 | penny | Yuusou, menu.lst |
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| 04:28.43 | Yuusou | I can't access anything right now cause I'm in windows btw |
| 04:28.53 | penny | #@$%%^&&* |
| 04:29.04 | penny | live cd |
| 04:29.12 | Yuusou | Knoppix? |
| 04:29.20 | penny | whatever |
| 04:29.31 | ray | rking, i dont get it the modules are there |
| 04:29.34 | Yuusou | ok, so boot onto live cd then come back? |
| 04:29.37 | StereoSkit | dudes whois using this ip 64.246.46.45? |
| 04:29.51 | Gnea | StereoSkit: why? |
| 04:29.51 | Supaplex | surfs up |
| 04:30.06 | rking | ray: 1 min - i'm parsing up our lsmod outputii so i can tell you what i have that you don't. |
| 04:30.08 | TraceGreen | rking, maybe, i don't know, anyway, thanks!! i ask this question several days but no answer. |
| 04:30.17 | StereoSkit | Gnea: i just want to know |
| 04:30.20 | ray | rking, sweet |
| 04:30.25 | Yuusou | penny, you want me to boot onto live cd then come back? |
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| 04:30.31 | Gnea | StereoSkit: if you can't say why then don't ask. this isn't the proper forum for that anyhow. |
| 04:30.44 | penny | Yuusou, yep |
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| 04:30.48 | Yuusou | ok brb |
| 04:30.56 | aero | Yuusou, you have to configure x. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or xorg, try turning off framebuffer, thats a common problem |
| 04:31.16 | StereoSkit | Gnea: someone is accesing my webserver i just wanted to know who |
| 04:31.20 | xbm-x | wow i got windows vista its rocks! |
| 04:31.29 | Penix | TraceGreen: take a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41709, as long as you're capable of ignoring the ubuntuisms |
| 04:31.34 | aero | xbm-x, what is that? |
| 04:31.35 | spdf | xbm-x, Oooo. Them is fightin' words. |
| 04:31.37 | Supaplex | xbm-x: flame/troll bait |
| 04:31.38 | Gnea | StereoSkit: webservers are meant to be accessed. |
| 04:32.05 | xbm-x | who is fighting |
| 04:32.11 | aero | xbm-x, Have you tried enlightenment, I am sure you would love it |
| 04:32.20 | StereoSkit | k, eof |
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| 04:32.33 | majnoon | trying chroot install and it locking up for security.debian.org :( |
| 04:32.34 | xbm-x | uh please dont hate me |
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| 04:32.48 | xbm-x | peace |
| 04:32.49 | Gnea | majnoon: yeah, it's been down all day |
| 04:33.03 | Gnea | known problem, not sure when it's gonna get fixed |
| 04:33.32 | maebmij | with sarge, Gnome pops up a 'download photos?' message when a camera is plugged in. what's supposed to happen next? what program gets launched? |
| 04:33.37 | fnord | This is slightly, or perhaps way OT, depending on your perspective, but I've installed freeciv, and I've got some chariots outside an enemy city, and they won't attack.. any idea why, or how do I attack? I can't figure it out. |
| 04:33.43 | rking | ray: shoo... it doesn't look like i have any significant differences from you. the only diffs are: a) i have snd_seq stuff (just for MIDI afaik), b) i use a different card, c) i have an extra virtual card coming from my USB headset, d) i have OSS compatibility... i think that's it though |
| 04:34.10 | xbm-x | windows vista its the best windows in the planet futuro is comming soon with microsoft |
| 04:34.25 | rking | ray: your problem is definitely that /dev/snd doesn't exist, but i can't imagine why it wouldn't. maybe you could /dev/MAKEDEV your way to success - but i don't know why you would have to |
| 04:34.36 | aedwards1 | I just upgraded the kernel to 2.6.12.5 and the screen dims as soon as the login prompt appears after boot. Any ideas? |
| 04:34.46 | ray | rking, hmm....... |
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| 04:35.34 | Mortalman | /dev/snd ? not /dev/dsp ? |
| 04:35.41 | aedwards1 | Also can anyone recommend a cheap xserver for windows? |
| 04:35.49 | rking | Morph: /dev/dsp is older OSS stuff |
| 04:36.00 | majnoon | biggest prob (wasn't chrooted ) :) |
| 04:36.10 | Mortalman | aedwards1: Cygwin, heh |
| 04:36.40 | jason^ | so if i'm using debian testing, should i be using kernel 2.6.8 or 2.6.11? |
| 04:36.45 | rking | ray: take a look at http://rafb.net/paste/results/nUX1JM79.txt maybe as root you should mkdir /dev/sound; chown root:audio /dev/sound; ...then let me figure out the right mknod or /dev/MAKEDEV to get that controlC0 |
| 04:36.48 | penny | what matter? |
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| 04:37.24 | penny | oooooooooh, a long long story... |
| 04:37.31 | aero | how do you configure the scroll mouse button? |
| 04:37.40 | ray | rking, not tonight but thank you so much for your help! |
| 04:37.42 | chealer | jason^: the one you want |
| 04:38.00 | penny | you needs a friend, her name is gooole |
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| 04:38.23 | rking | ray: hehe, we're fairly close. maybe later just try googling for your missing /dev/snd problem. i suspect mknod holds the key. |
| 04:38.34 | shimano55 | Question, Whats a good program to increase the volume of certain mp3s?? I passed the file through mp3gain, but it didn't make it any loader. |
| 04:38.58 | aedwards1 | Mortalman, correct me if I am wrong, I just checked the site...is it free? |
| 04:39.21 | penny | mp3 = trick |
| 04:39.27 | penny | try ogg |
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| 04:39.50 | jim | !ops could one of you /msg jim please... I'm talking to a guy about a channel issue |
| 04:39.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: could one of you /msg jim please... I'm talking to a guy about a channel issue |
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| 04:40.00 | shimano55 | penny, I'd have to re-rip all my cds... |
| 04:40.03 | majnoon | ok it working now |
| 04:40.13 | jim | thanks in advance |
| 04:40.13 | penny | sweet ^_^ |
| 04:40.16 | majnoon | forgot to chroot :) |
| 04:40.16 | Mortalman | aedwards1: Yep, but it's way more than an xserver. I would suggest reading more about it before you install. |
| 04:40.26 | jtan325 | is there a way to dpkg-buildpackage without the -k option, i.e. it looks up your id in a file or env. variable? |
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| 04:41.07 | shimano55 | penny, there's gotta be another way.. |
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| 04:41.27 | penny | shimano55, how? |
| 04:41.35 | majnoon | it hard to do chroot install when you forgot to chroot |
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| 04:42.06 | Mortalman | I have a prgram run on boot from a cronjob, but it fails and I get mail saying it couldn't find the path to another prog. How do I go about setting the PATH for a cron job? |
| 04:42.21 | shimano55 | penny, I dunno...thats why I'm asking |
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| 04:42.39 | penny | ... |
| 04:42.45 | black13 | hello all you happy people |
| 04:43.16 | black13 | does the 2.6 kernel treat device differently |
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| 04:43.26 | paawelek | hi there |
| 04:43.58 | interbird | Mortalman: Running the job from a shell script; flushing-out-errors- and then submit it to cron ? |
| 04:44.07 | black13 | is possible to dynamic discover the devices on a pc |
| 04:44.40 | Wyzard | black13: The "discover" package does that |
| 04:45.02 | paawelek | ever used adBlock? |
| 04:45.21 | black13 | Wyzard i am build a live cd and i cant mount the iso image |
| 04:45.21 | penny | Yuusou, god bless you |
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| 04:45.33 | black13 | because i cant mount anything i can run anything |
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| 04:45.50 | majnoon | black maybe call it nutnix ?? |
| 04:46.12 | black13 | i was using 2.4 kernel things worked correctly |
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| 04:47.34 | dasunt | Heta again. |
| 04:47.40 | jim | how can I find out more about the difference between wine and xwine? and also instructions for installing either |
| 04:47.42 | Mortalman | interbird: I did, still complains. I don't get it. |
| 04:47.46 | dasunt | Quick question -- is woody still getting security updates? |
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| 04:48.23 | chealer | dasunt: yes, until 20060606 in theory |
| 04:48.51 | dasunt | Oooh, there is a predicted EOL now for debian releases? |
| 04:48.59 | interbird | Mortalman: Kee, let's see... |
| 04:49.11 | chealer | dasunt: since a while |
| 04:49.20 | jim | predicted may be a weak word if there is an actual announced date :) |
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| 04:49.40 | dasunt | Last update I went through was ->woody, and I was already running testing at the time, so I didn't notice. |
| 04:49.54 | interbird | Mortalman: You hve more prob-detail ? |
| 04:50.01 | nvz | country music is just so funny sometimes. these people have no rational filter in their head that stops them from showing off how stupid or unsophisticated they are. its kind of like modern rappers in a way. |
| 04:50.11 | dasunt | I just resurrected this woody server and I was curious to long updates are valid for. |
| 04:50.18 | jetscreamer | anybody have a direct ftp link to a netinst image, since www.debian.org is down? |
| 04:50.21 | jim | there are no channel operators present? |
| 04:50.31 | concept10 | nvz, you do what sells |
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| 04:50.59 | nvz | jim: there are |
| 04:50.59 | Debird | nvz: do you know about the perfect country western song? |
| 04:51.10 | jetscreamer | lies... there are no ops |
| 04:51.11 | jim | nvz: I would guess they wear what you describe as a badge of honor... "we'z replukans dammit!" |
| 04:51.11 | nvz | Debird: what? |
| 04:51.15 | jetscreamer | (shhh) |
| 04:51.56 | Debird | nvz: there is a song that is referred to as the perfect country western song. do you know about it? |
| 04:52.12 | nvz | Debird: thats ridiculous |
| 04:52.19 | jetscreamer | skinny puppy did it.... wynonna something |
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| 04:52.40 | jetscreamer | wyonna's beaver |
| 04:52.42 | Debird | nvz: its actually hilarious |
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| 04:52.55 | concept10 | nvz, modern rap is the biggest hustle out there. one of the only business that you can put out product that doesnt make sense and become rich instantly |
| 04:53.00 | nvz | Debird: there is a shit I just took on its way downstream under the streets I regaurd as Ol' smelly. do you know about it? |
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| 04:53.30 | jim | nvz: you mean there are ops... ok, I really need to talk to one... I need to do work type stuff and I need to pass off the auth part of my conversation with this guy to an op |
| 04:53.58 | jim | also, the same guy needs wine help |
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| 04:54.12 | nvz | um ok?! |
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| 04:54.57 | Debird | nvz: sorry to hear you don't really feel like laughing |
| 04:55.01 | jetscreamer | ftpl link dame lo orita! |
| 04:55.04 | nvz | I need to go get some good root window decoration |
| 04:55.16 | jetscreamer | just gimme teh linkzor |
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| 04:55.42 | Bac9 | nvz: xmountains |
| 04:56.08 | nvz | I was thinking about someone in particular's mountains not randomly generated |
| 04:56.08 | jetscreamer | xmountains is fugly (no offense) |
| 04:56.37 | jetscreamer | i'd rather see the wireframe one |
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| 04:56.53 | jetscreamer | st00pid www.debian.org |
| 04:56.56 | jetscreamer | bah |
| 04:57.03 | jetscreamer | !lart www.debian.org |
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| 04:57.19 | bsims | I solved my udev problem I was loading ide-scsi |
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| 04:57.32 | jetscreamer | i solved my udev problem via --purge |
| 04:57.47 | jtan325 | hi, are there are debian sponsors here? |
| 04:57.47 | bsims | jetscreamer: yeah it's a bitch |
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| 04:57.56 | jair | !seen sergino |
| 04:57.57 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'sergino', jair |
| 04:57.57 | bsims | WTF did they do that <g> |
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| 04:58.05 | jair | !seen serjino |
| 04:58.05 | dpkg | jair: i haven't seen 'serjino' |
| 04:58.06 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 04:58.16 | jair | !seen jair |
| 04:58.16 | jetscreamer | !seen www.debian.org |
| 04:58.16 | dpkg | jair is currently on #debian (56s). Has said a total of 1809 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 04:58.16 | dpkg | jetscreamer: i haven't seen 'www.debian.org' |
| 04:58.18 | penny | Yuusou, so what? |
| 04:58.24 | jetscreamer | me neither, at least atm |
| 04:58.25 | wardes | agney, c o n s e g u i ! ! ! |
| 04:58.34 | jair | !seen guruji |
| 04:58.34 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'guruji', jair |
| 04:58.38 | agney | wardes, what you did ? |
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| 04:58.58 | jetscreamer | ftp works fine, just the www don't |
| 04:59.00 | majnoon | !seen majnoon |
| 04:59.01 | dpkg | majnoon is currently on #debian (55m 48s). Has said a total of 39 messages. Is idling for 0s |
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| 04:59.11 | jetscreamer | even cdimage.debian.org functions |
| 04:59.14 | penny | Yuusou, keep you away from me ... please |
| 04:59.15 | jetscreamer | just the www |
| 04:59.24 | shimano55 | Question, How or where can I download 'libmp3lame.so'??????? |
| 04:59.25 | *** part/#debian eleusis (n=eleusis@l3-202-89-186-142.arach.net.au) |
| 04:59.26 | jetscreamer | but i want the netinst |
| 04:59.28 | penny | Yuusou, beg you |
| 04:59.35 | majnoon | security down |
| 04:59.38 | jetscreamer | shimano55: pdo |
| 04:59.39 | bsims | jetscreamer: udev had decided that my Dvd / cdrome drives really wanted to be scanners) I upgraded udev but was loading ide-scsi removed that and it works now |
| 04:59.40 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 04:59.41 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 05:00.07 | majnoon | apt-cache works too |
| 05:00.09 | penny | Yuusou, @_@ Is it? |
| 05:00.15 | jetscreamer | yeah and apt-file |
| 05:00.43 | jetscreamer | !tell shimano55 -about search |
| 05:01.12 | shimano55 | jetscreamer, majnoon: I run 'apt-cache search libmp3lame', but it doesn't get any results |
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| 05:01.26 | jetscreamer | shimano55: got marillat? |
| 05:01.26 | theblue | Hi all. |
| 05:01.36 | theblue | Where's the Xfree86.conf file for sarge located? |
| 05:01.42 | jetscreamer | !tell shimano55 -about marillat |
| 05:01.43 | shimano55 | jetscreamer, based on the fact I have no idea what that it, no |
| 05:01.50 | majnoon | try apt-get.org |
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| 05:01.57 | jetscreamer | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 05:02.02 | theblue | Thanks. |
| 05:02.03 | jetscreamer | !xmd5 |
| 05:02.04 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 05:02.45 | majnoon | i'll try it tommorow |
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| 05:03.13 | shimano55 | jetscreamer, How exactly do I add this source to my apt??? I never quite understood that. |
| 05:03.14 | Yuusou | penny, I'm sorry, XChat on the livecd wouldn't let me send to the channel |
| 05:03.38 | jedi_riff | Can anyone here help me find a NTFS Partition re-sizer that is good and free? (Not QTParted) |
| 05:03.43 | jetscreamer | shimano55: nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list , as root |
| 05:03.50 | jetscreamer | !comfort penny |
| 05:03.51 | dpkg | There, there, penny. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:04.04 | maher | jedi_riff: ntfsresize |
| 05:04.26 | jim | penny: stop eating that stuff you're eating! or stop having a cold or flu! |
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| 05:04.49 | penny | ... thanks |
| 05:04.56 | jedi_riff | Google it? |
| 05:05.01 | jim | could have been my best advice all night :) |
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| 05:05.09 | Yuusou | penny, what do I do? You mentioned something about a make file? |
| 05:05.10 | jetscreamer | !find ntfsresize |
| 05:05.19 | jetscreamer | try apt-cache search too |
| 05:05.28 | mwilson | You know, dpkg always says that, but the last thing *I* want is Debian's scripts able to mess with *my* X configuration. |
| 05:05.28 | jetscreamer | or maybe apt-file search |
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| 05:05.33 | jedi_riff | Im in Windows |
| 05:05.38 | jim | Yuusou: you can learn how to create makefiles... info make |
| 05:05.39 | maher | jedi_riff: its in ntfsprogs/ntfstools |
| 05:05.59 | jetscreamer | mwilson: that's why i have a blah.conf.bckup and a blah.conf.original |
| 05:06.00 | Debird | jedi_riff: try www.sysrescd.org - it has a partition manager that may do it - its free |
| 05:06.03 | jedi_riff | Im running XP, i need to resize it to get linux |
| 05:06.18 | jedi_riff | Thanks |
| 05:06.19 | mwilson | jetscreamer: That's why I used chattr on mine. :) |
| 05:06.29 | jedi_riff | Anyone know if Fedora Core 3 is a good starting Linux distro? |
| 05:06.32 | maher | jedi_riff: use a boot disc / live cd / whatever |
| 05:06.41 | theblue | jedi_riff: I'd recommend against Fedora entirely. |
| 05:06.42 | jetscreamer | jedi_riff: if i was you, me i would find a way to back it up and repartition from scratch... but that's me |
| 05:06.48 | Marko01 | Hey guys sorry to bug but I'm able to putty to my debian box from one machine however from my ubuntu machine to my debian machine I get this error: Please contact your system administrator. |
| 05:06.48 | Marko01 | Add correct host key in /home/admin/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message.Offending key in /home/admin/.ssh/known_hosts:1 |
| 05:06.56 | mwilson | jedi_riff: Even assuming Fedora was worth bothering with, why would you use FC3 instead of FC4? |
| 05:07.00 | jetscreamer | jedi_riff: yes this is a debian channel, so of course we recommend fedora |
| 05:07.19 | Marko01 | I don't have a .ssh directory. |
| 05:07.25 | jedi_riff | Because i have Fedora 3 availble right now |
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| 05:07.27 | theblue | jedi_riff: Debian is the polar opposite of Fedora. Or something near it. |
| 05:07.32 | jedi_riff | And i could always upgrade later |
| 05:07.41 | jedi_riff | Well what should i use, Debian or Fedora? |
| 05:07.43 | mwilson | Marko01: And creating one would never occur to you? |
| 05:07.48 | majnoon | ray charles got a post office named after him :) |
| 05:07.53 | theblue | jedi_riff: Debian. |
| 05:07.55 | jetscreamer | gee this is debian, of course we think you should use fedora |
| 05:07.57 | Debird | learn debian.... its totally free |
| 05:08.03 | jetscreamer | !pal jedi_riff |
| 05:08.04 | dasunt | Hmmm, asking #debian if you should use debian or fedora. |
| 05:08.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ntfsresize' (1): (/usr/sbin/ntfsresize) in otherosfs/ntfsprogs. |
| 05:08.21 | jedi_riff | Well i assume that people here could give me answers |
| 05:08.24 | Debird | red-hat is the run around |
| 05:08.24 | jedi_riff | No matter what linux |
| 05:08.28 | jetscreamer | !LAAAAAAAG |
| 05:08.29 | dasunt | If you want debian-done-easy, there is always #ubuntu or another debian-derived distro. |
| 05:08.30 | Yuusou | does anyone know how to fix this problem: I boot into debian, but then it only says: Cannot Display This Video Mode. Does anyone know what is wrong? |
| 05:08.31 | Marko01 | I say use debian but that's just me |
| 05:08.44 | drp | jedi_riff: seriously though ... debian |
| 05:08.49 | dasunt | But I can't really recommend a distro unless you tell us what you want from it. |
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| 05:08.56 | dob2 | hi |
| 05:09.07 | theblue | I use a combo of Debian and Ubuntu, I like both of them and would recommend either. |
| 05:09.08 | jetscreamer | Yuusou: you probably need to drxx and set your settings with the correct values |
| 05:09.09 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 05:09.10 | dpkg | methinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:09.12 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 05:09.13 | Gnea | jedi_riff: fedora uses that broken rpm crap |
| 05:09.13 | dpkg | well, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 05:09.17 | theblue | Although to a newbie to Linux, I'd recommend Ubuntu. |
| 05:09.27 | Debird | rpm HELL |
| 05:09.30 | jetscreamer | in #debian? |
| 05:09.36 | Marko01 | So can anyone help me with this ssh question I have? |
| 05:09.38 | jetscreamer | !lart theblue |
| 05:09.42 | theblue | OUCH. |
| 05:09.50 | Gnea | !tell Marko01 about ask |
| 05:09.51 | jetscreamer | now you're the blue |
| 05:09.55 | Yuusou | jetscreamer, I can't even log in, how am I supposed to do that? |
| 05:09.56 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 05:10.06 | jetscreamer | Yuusou: console |
| 05:10.06 | jim | you have to say ouch again... for the other half of you ;) |
| 05:10.08 | dob2 | it is possible to configure ntpd to bind only on some address, ad example the private ip of the pc? |
| 05:10.09 | mwilson | Marko01: Exactly what help do you think you want? Is there some reason you think you can't just create the non-existent .ssh directory? |
| 05:10.10 | maher | Yuusou: ctrl-alt-f2 for a console |
| 05:10.14 | Yuusou | oh ok |
| 05:10.16 | Debird | Marko01: never ask to ask... just ask |
| 05:10.17 | jetscreamer | Yuusou: ctrl+alt+F2 |
| 05:10.22 | jetscreamer | then log in |
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| 05:10.31 | Marko01 | Cool sorry my bad |
| 05:10.33 | jetscreamer | or what maher said |
| 05:10.40 | jtan325 | are there any debian sponsors in here? |
| 05:10.50 | mwilson | "sponsors"? |
| 05:10.56 | dob2 | i don't find a man for the configuration file |
| 05:10.57 | Gnea | jtan325: define 'sponsors'? |
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| 05:11.02 | blue | Look what you did now! |
| 05:11.02 | jetscreamer | anybody have a direct ftp link to a netinst image, since www.debian.org is down? |
| 05:11.02 | Marko01 | I'm just learning about irc manners just making sure I don't offend anyone. |
| 05:11.06 | Debird | how would you define "debian sponsor"? |
| 05:11.06 | the | I'm split in half! |
| 05:11.10 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 05:11.18 | Debird | Its ok Marko |
| 05:11.19 | blue | Someone help me! |
| 05:11.20 | jtan325 | someone who could vouch a package i'd like to submit? |
| 05:11.21 | Debird | just ask |
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| 05:11.31 | the | And I'll never touch Ubuntu again. |
| 05:11.42 | Gnea | jtan325: #debian-devel |
| 05:11.42 | mwilson | jtan325: That's not even close to how things work. |
| 05:11.42 | jetscreamer | !fix theblue |
| 05:11.42 | Debird | appreciate your manners |
| 05:11.43 | blue | Because getting chopped into quarters is no fun either. |
| 05:11.54 | maher | jtan325: #debian-mentors |
| 05:12.07 | shimano55 | jetscreamer, can't find it there either |
| 05:12.14 | jtan325 | i'll try those places, thanks |
| 05:12.20 | jtan325 | mwilson, how do things work? sorry |
| 05:12.33 | mwilson | AUGH! |
| 05:12.35 | Gnea | mwilson: wanna sign my key, bitch? :) |
| 05:12.40 | litage | if the first character from `ls -l someFile` is a "p" (rather than a "d" or "-"), what does the p mean? |
| 05:12.41 | mwilson | inkscape (0.42.2-1) unstable; urgency=low |
| 05:12.46 | jedi_riff | So... does anyone have a WINDOWS NTFS partition resizer that is free? |
| 05:12.47 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.48 | Marko01 | I'm wondering why debian is saying Add correct host key in /home/admin/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message.Offending key in /home/admin/.ssh/known_hosts:1 |
| 05:13.07 | mwilson | Marko01: Yes, and...? |
| 05:13.26 | Marko01 | I am able to login using putty on one machine with no problem. |
| 05:13.39 | Marko01 | However from my ubuntu box I get this error. |
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| 05:14.12 | theblue | Much better. |
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| 05:15.16 | rooti | hi! does anyone know what might cause KDE to loose all it's menus? |
| 05:15.42 | rooti | it happened when i upgraded to xorg |
| 05:15.49 | Area-51 | i plugged in a JAHT b/g wifi card and it is coming up as eth2, but when i do "ifconfig eth2" it says "eth2 NOT READY! ESSID:off/any" not ready? how do i make it ready? (debian testing) |
| 05:15.51 | jetscreamer | shimano55: http://www.google.com/linux?num=100&hl=en&lr=lang_en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=libmp3lame+debian&btnG=Search |
| 05:15.58 | jetscreamer | all i can suggest |
| 05:16.59 | rooti | Area-51: maybe you need some firmware? |
| 05:17.11 | rooti | Area-51: what driver do you use? |
| 05:17.43 | Wyzard | hmm... I'm using the unofficial cryptsetup-luks package, and while I can use the LUKS features just fine manually, the /etc/init.d/cryptdisks doesn't seem to have any support for setting up LUKS devices at boot time |
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| 05:18.03 | Area-51 | rooti: need some firmware, shouldnt it have it already? ^.^ and im using prism54 v1.2 |
| 05:18.25 | rooti | Area-51: sorry, never used prism54 |
| 05:18.46 | Area-51 | thats just what loaded up when i plugged the card in *shrugs* |
| 05:18.49 | Wyzard | Area-51: If the module loaded at all, you probably already have the firmware -- I assume you downloaded it from prism54.org |
| 05:19.05 | Wyzard | Area-51: "not ready" may just mean the card isn't associated to an access point |
| 05:19.46 | rooti | Area-51: ifconfig eth2 up |
| 05:20.02 | Marko01 | Ahh the .ssh directory key isn't on the debian machine it's on the ubuntu machine. |
| 05:20.04 | rooti | Area-51: then check iwconfig again |
| 05:20.18 | rooti | Area-51: http://prism54.org/pipermail/prism54-users/2005-February/001908.html |
| 05:20.23 | Area-51 | Wyzard: yes the module loaded w/o a hitch, no i didnt download the driver, it was in with my kernel, iirc, and when i run kismet it says "eth2: no such file or directory" |
| 05:20.45 | jetscreamer | is it 3.1_r0a that i want ? |
| 05:20.51 | Area-51 | root:/home/spock# ifconfig eth2 up |
| 05:20.53 | Area-51 | SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 05:20.56 | Wyzard | Area-51: The driver is part of the kernel, but the firmware is not |
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| 05:21.15 | Area-51 | Wyzard: so i prolly need to update my firmware for the module? |
| 05:21.31 | punsad | Area-51: have you installed wireless-tools? |
| 05:21.40 | jetscreamer | STUPID TOPIC MAGIC |
| 05:21.56 | Area-51 | punsad: yes, ive got a cisco lcm-350 working with no problems :) |
| 05:22.02 | dondelelcaro | jim: did whatever you needed get taken care of/ |
| 05:22.17 | Wyzard | Area-51: Do you have a file called "isl3890" in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware ? |
| 05:22.31 | rooti | Area-51: yeah, you need the firmware file |
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| 05:23.21 | Area-51 | Wyzard: no files in that dir |
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| 05:23.37 | drew | does anyone know what driver a GeForce FX 5200 Graphics Card needs to run in order to display properly? |
| 05:23.39 | Wyzard | Area-51: Then go to prism54.org and download it |
| 05:23.49 | Area-51 | Wyzard: ok :) |
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| 05:23.52 | mwilson | drew: Gee, probably the documented one. |
| 05:24.00 | jim | dondelelcaro: sorta... but... you might as well see what this was... |
| 05:24.01 | drew | mwilson, which one is that? |
| 05:24.33 | drew | mwilson, like, what's the one I pick when configuring xserver-xfree86? |
| 05:25.15 | aedwards1 | Anyone running AMD Athalon64 (single core or dual) with debian? If so, what has been your experience? |
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| 05:25.24 | mwilson | <sigh> Now Debian is having to do conflicts/replaces for Ubuntu packages? <sigh> |
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| 05:25.40 | jetscreamer | drew: nv |
| 05:25.55 | drew | jetscreamer, the driver is called nv? |
| 05:25.57 | jetscreamer | drew: that one has no 3d support though, you need nvidia |
| 05:25.58 | jetscreamer | ya |
| 05:26.01 | jetscreamer | !nvidia |
| 05:26.02 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 05:26.07 | jetscreamer | after you get nv working do nvidia |
| 05:26.12 | Debird | aedwards: runs great |
| 05:26.31 | aeronadix | I have a little experience using Linux but I can't get my mouse middle button to work. I have a Microsoft wheel mouse |
| 05:26.40 | drew | where do I find the howto? |
| 05:26.42 | dondelelcaro | jim: sure, /msg me or whatever |
| 05:26.44 | jetscreamer | aeronadix: imps2 not ps2 |
| 05:26.55 | jetscreamer | not to be confused with psaux |
| 05:27.05 | jetscreamer | which is maybe just 2.6 kernels i dunno |
| 05:27.10 | drew | jetscreamer, where do I find the howto? |
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| 05:27.21 | aeronadix | jetscreamer, Oh my God you are an awesome dude |
| 05:27.25 | aedwards1 | Debird, do you have to recompile apps to run? Does apt get you 64bit binaries? |
| 05:27.32 | aeronadix | brt to see if that works |
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| 05:27.36 | rooti | can someone help me with my KDE problem? all the menus disappeared... |
| 05:27.44 | jetscreamer | drew: /msg dpkg nvidia, then /msg dpkg the other stuff he tells you |
| 05:27.48 | streuner | rooti: unstable? |
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| 05:28.17 | Area-51 | Wyzard, rooti, i copied the firmware file from prism54.org and moved it, renamed it, removed the card and put it back in but iwconfig eth2 still says not ready :S |
| 05:28.23 | jetscreamer | drew: i just use the nvidia-installer dpkg told you not to use :o |
| 05:28.25 | Debird | aedwards: don't go that route. run debian for x86. it has many 64 bit stuff in it already |
| 05:28.30 | rooti | streuner: yep |
| 05:28.35 | Wyzard | Area-51: Unload and reload the prism54 module |
| 05:28.40 | jso | hi wiseguys, in kde, can i change session from within a session? |
| 05:28.40 | theblue | When in doubt, use x86. |
| 05:28.47 | streuner | rooti: /msg apt sid faq |
| 05:28.50 | theblue | jso: in some cases, yes. |
| 05:28.51 | sep | drew, i use the nvidia one lines, it installes everything you need in just a few commands |
| 05:28.56 | Debird | if you go over 1gb ram, just install the kernel for the amd64 |
| 05:28.56 | sep | !nvidia one liner |
| 05:28.56 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 05:29.02 | theblue | jso: I'm only sure of how to start kde from another session, though. |
| 05:29.08 | jetscreamer | do it the debian way ^^^ |
| 05:29.18 | jso | theblue, how? |
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| 05:29.31 | theblue | jso: crack open a terminal and type "startkde" |
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| 05:29.35 | theblue | That is all,. |
| 05:29.45 | aedwards1 | Debird...so you don't need the 64bit version of debian and kernel to run 64bit apps? |
| 05:30.15 | jso | theblue, thks, will that ask for a login? |
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| 05:30.48 | Debird | aedwards: what 64 bit apps are you running? |
| 05:30.51 | theblue | jso: Nope. |
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| 05:30.51 | Area-51 | and while trying to run kismet on eth2, my system locked up for about 5 sec and kismet said "eth2: Timer expired" |
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| 05:31.08 | Area-51 | well that didnt work out so well |
| 05:31.17 | aero | jetscreamer, You did my man, You are the Don, Thanks a million |
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| 05:31.55 | drew | jetscreamer, how do I know if I have a stock or custom kernel? |
| 05:31.55 | Area-51 | i downloaded the firmware, copied it, renamed it, reinserted the card and it still says not ready, and trying to launch kismet on eth2 caused my system to lock up and my other wifi card to stop working :S |
| 05:32.28 | aedwards1 | Debird, I am not running 64bit...anything but I am trying to research for a new system and I was thinking of going with the amd athalon64 dual core. |
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| 05:32.28 | aeronadix | drew, did you put in a custom kernel? |
| 05:32.54 | Area-51 | Wyzard: did i miss somethin? |
| 05:33.04 | Debird | aedwards: if you go with the amd64 it will run 32bit and 64bit apps at the same time but that is down the road on the 64 bit apps. athlon64 runs everything pretty fast |
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| 05:33.05 | jso | theblue, tried your method, it kills the current session and re-start a new one. |
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| 05:33.55 | jso | which is the script or program that brings up the login screen? |
| 05:35.05 | Debird | aedwards: i can say i have been pleased with running debian on athlon64. its a great platform and a very good value for the price. debian runs great on mine. do you already know debian? |
| 05:35.16 | sep | jso, kdm,gdm,xdm or sdm |
| 05:35.23 | Area-51 | how to i unload modules again? i forgot :S |
| 05:35.30 | Wyzard | Area-51: rmmod |
| 05:35.33 | Area-51 | ty |
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| 05:36.29 | aedwards1 | Debird, if I install debian and wish to upgrade to the 2.6 kernel should I use the compile option for Athalon64? Yes I know debian, above the basics. What kernel are you running? |
| 05:36.30 | theblue | jso: Sorry, I have no other idea how to do it. |
| 05:36.48 | Smoked1 | is debian.org down for anyone else here? |
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| 05:37.04 | Area-51 | hmm, i keep getting timeout errors on eth2... and iwconfig still says eth2 is not ready... did i somehow botch up the prism54 firmware or something? :( |
| 05:37.08 | streuner | Smoked1: no |
| 05:37.12 | Smoked1 | k |
| 05:37.18 | mwilson | Why do cluebies always think web sites can be "down" for certain people, but not others? |
| 05:38.14 | mwilson | And, just supposing it WAS working for me, but not him, indicating a breakdown in routing somewhere... exactly what does he plan on doing about $RANDOM_BROKEN_ROUTER? |
| 05:38.21 | WiFiTux | could someone explain me the simple difference between gnome and enlightenment? I mean, one is a Window manager and the other is what? Also, if I start GDM I can use fluxbox and gnome, but not Enlightenment, but fluxbox is also a WM?! :/ |
| 05:38.22 | Area-51 | because people make up cool words like 'cluebies'? |
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| 05:39.04 | aedwards1 | ? |
| 05:39.11 | mwilson | WiFiTux: Where did you get the idea that you couldn't use E along with GDM as a display manager? |
| 05:39.12 | Debird | aedwards: just a sec |
| 05:39.23 | sep | mwilson, if the routing on the net had issues, cousing a facture, and placing you two in different subparts of a broken net, should he even be able to talk to you ? :) |
| 05:39.32 | mwilson | WiFiTux: Just because E is old-school and doesn't drop a session file? |
| 05:39.43 | Area-51 | WiFiTux: with a desktop environment (gnome, kde, cde, etc) they all use a window manager... kde uses metacity (iirc) but can be changed to enlightenment or fluxbox... GDM is not gnome or a wm or a environment |
| 05:40.04 | Smoked1 | mwilson: the reason that I asked is because apt-get update is failing on security.debian.org |
| 05:40.07 | Area-51 | i personally just use fluxbox, dont mess around with botchy desktop icons and clutter ^.^ |
| 05:40.23 | mwilson | Area-51: Actually, KDE uses kwin, and E and fluxcrap are certainly not possibilities as drop-in replacements. |
| 05:40.23 | WiFiTux | mwilson: YES. :| |
| 05:40.27 | theblue | Smoked1: All of the mirrors at debian.org are down, if I recall. |
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| 05:40.34 | Debird | aedwards: 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 |
| 05:40.42 | mwilson | theblue: You mean all none of them? |
| 05:40.43 | Area-51 | mwilson: when did kde switch from metacity? i thought they always used it *shrugs* |
| 05:40.45 | aeronadix | I used fluxbox or rather blackbox, but enlightenment runs just as fast and is much faster |
| 05:40.50 | streuner | Smoked1: what error? |
| 05:40.58 | aeronadix | also has a little more functionality |
| 05:41.00 | theblue | mwilson: Quite possibly. |
| 05:41.03 | Smoked1 | 57% [Connecting to security.debian.org (194.109.137.218)] |
| 05:41.10 | WiFiTux | mwilson: can I add enlight to the session list? |
| 05:41.11 | Smoked1 | gets that far and then just times out |
| 05:41.12 | mwilson | Area-51: KDE has never used metashitty. Gnome does. Metashitty was invented for Gnome. |
| 05:41.14 | litage | i removed root's password from /etc/shadow on an old box and booted up, but when i try to login as root, why would giving an empty password fail to login? |
| 05:41.20 | Area-51 | ooh |
| 05:41.21 | Area-51 | hmm |
| 05:41.25 | Area-51 | i could have sworn... |
| 05:41.31 | Area-51 | oh well, had em backwards then :P |
| 05:41.41 | Area-51 | and older versions of kde allowed you to switch WMs on the fly |
| 05:41.46 | Area-51 | that i know for sure |
| 05:41.55 | sep | litage, why didn't you juse set a password ? |
| 05:42.00 | aedwards1 | Debird, did you build the system yourself from parts...or did you buy it as is? |
| 05:42.08 | WiFiTux | litage: maybe the no password needs a shadow too? |
| 05:42.20 | Debird | aedwards: but its gonna say 2.6.8-?-386 after you are done with basic 3.1 install |
| 05:42.31 | jso | can i change user from withing a session, anyone? |
| 05:42.31 | Debird | self |
| 05:42.33 | litage | WiFiTux: hrmm |
| 05:42.45 | WiFiTux | mwilson: What other way can i login with enlight then, where does one tell which session to login into? It changed it for me... |
| 05:42.48 | aeronadix | litage, thats a tough one |
| 05:42.55 | Area-51 | litage: and thats why most people dont edit the passwd file manually instead of using passwd or without knowing what one is doing :) |
| 05:42.55 | litage | aeronadix: why's that? |
| 05:43.00 | aeronadix | litage, try your old password |
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| 05:43.25 | mwilson | WiFiTux: GDM suppors session files. Write one, or choose the session file that launches ~/.xsession, and start E there. |
| 05:43.41 | litage | aeronadix: i inherited this computer, and the password's not known anymore |
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| 05:43.53 | Area-51 | litage: your most likely ganna have to boot up with a live distro, and edit the file you edited on your fs and change it back... then do it the right way |
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| 05:44.21 | aeronadix | litage, I don't really know how to fix it though, I wish I could help |
| 05:44.24 | Smoked1 | is anyone else having a problem with security.debian.org? |
| 05:44.29 | Debird | yep |
| 05:44.36 | Debird | its down |
| 05:44.36 | WiFiTux | mwilson: hhmm, not even Enligh 17 is in APt.. :/ |
| 05:44.47 | Smoked1 | i thought you guys were messing with me |
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| 05:44.55 | Debird | or slooooooooow |
| 05:44.56 | songpenguin | hello |
| 05:44.59 | sep | litage, boot with livecd/bootloader with init=/bin/sh, mount your harddrive, chroot to it, and passwd the root account. |
| 05:45.09 | Gnea | woo, got sound working |
| 05:45.11 | litage | sep: thanks |
| 05:45.14 | songpenguin | Gnea: sweet |
| 05:45.21 | sep | the / is mean as 'or' |
| 05:45.21 | Gnea | this laptop CRANKS |
| 05:45.21 | streuner | Smoked1: did you traceroute to it? |
| 05:45.31 | sep | litage, if the box have grub you can skip the livecd part |
| 05:45.34 | Area-51 | Gnea: 486? :P |
| 05:45.40 | Gnea | opengl spectrum analyzer is smooooooooooooth |
| 05:45.42 | mwilson | WiFiTux: Nothing can be said to be "in apt"... "in apt" is a nonsense statement. Besides, enlightenment 0.17 would have to exist, first. |
| 05:45.46 | Area-51 | lol |
| 05:45.49 | Gnea | Area-51: lol naw, my new laptop ;) |
| 05:45.57 | jm__ | Smoked1: you failed to read the topic |
| 05:46.23 | aedwards1 | Debird you are running slow after the new kernel compile? You can send me the stuff whenever you get a chance. |
| 05:46.32 | mwilson | WiFiTux: You have to understand... the day E 0.17 is finally scheduled to be released, the day before, rasterman will pull some amazingly new idea out of his a**, and it'll be delayed again indefinately. |
| 05:46.42 | Gnea | Area-51: p4 1.7ghz 512meg ram GF4 440 Go |
| 05:46.46 | mwilson | WiFiTux: E 0.17 will *never* be released. |
| 05:46.47 | Area-51 | not too shabby |
| 05:46.58 | Gnea | Area-51: harman/kardon speakers built-in. |
| 05:47.06 | Area-51 | Gnea: nice |
| 05:47.07 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:47.12 | Smoked1 | so what would the domain for the security server be for us.debian.org? |
| 05:47.19 | Smoked1 | security.us/debian.org? |
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| 05:47.26 | streuner | Smoked1: nah |
| 05:47.27 | songpenguin | back |
| 05:47.27 | Smoked1 | . |
| 05:47.40 | Area-51 | my lappy is just a 1ghz pIIIm, 512mb pc133, 40gb, thinkpad lappy speakers, and ati mobility 8mb w/ dvd/mped accelerator :P |
| 05:47.40 | WiFiTux | mwilson: hehe, I reead some in slashdot that it would come out, and looked like MacOSX... |
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| 05:47.45 | mwilson | Is unstable's libssl still busted? That's been in /topic for a long time. |
| 05:47.49 | Gnea | seriuosly, the opengl visual plugin is rotating once per second |
| 05:47.55 | Area-51 | lol |
| 05:47.56 | sn00p | Which debian do I get to install woody or sarge which one is the latest? |
| 05:47.58 | mwilson | WiFiTux: It won't, and it doesn't. |
| 05:48.01 | songpenguin | I have a question about CPU frequency scaling, how do I know if I have it, what flag in /proc/cpuinfo do I need? |
| 05:48.05 | streuner | Smoked1: we have this _one_ security server, there was another german security server in the past, IIRC |
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| 05:48.09 | Area-51 | sn00p: sarge is 3.1, woody is 3.0 |
| 05:48.18 | Gnea | it's almost done |
| 05:48.20 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 321721 |
| 05:48.24 | dpkg | #321721:M[libssl0.9.7] cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14 |
| 05:48.35 | Smoked1 | streuner: thank man. So we just wait then |
| 05:48.37 | WiFiTux | mwilson: now, if I go into gdm normally, I can login to any sessions, but if I do startx, which file tells which session to use by default? |
| 05:48.43 | dondelelcaro | !factinfo broken ssl |
| 05:48.44 | dpkg | broken ssl -- last modified at Tue Aug 16 14:32:20 2005 by abrotman!n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman; it has been requested 76 times, last by dondelelcaro, 38s ago. |
| 05:49.03 | Smoked1 | sn00p: go with srage |
| 05:49.07 | Smoked1 | sarge |
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| 05:49.15 | theblue | Or etch if you're daring. |
| 05:49.24 | Debird | aedwards: i wish you the best of luck with your project. |
| 05:49.25 | Area-51 | anyone have any ideas why my prism54 card isnt working? driver prism54 v1.2 loads find, got the firmware, but iwconfig eth2 still shows it as "eth2 NOT READY!" (debian sarge, prism54 v1.2, firmware 1.0.4.3) |
| 05:49.29 | Smoked1 | i tried etch and it does have some issues |
| 05:49.32 | MaxPower | Hi does anyone use pureftpd? |
| 05:49.40 | theblue | smoked1: Such as? |
| 05:49.44 | Smoked1 | MaxPower: I do |
| 05:49.47 | Gnea | Area-51: what's the actual card? linksys? |
| 05:49.50 | MaxPower | oh sweet |
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| 05:50.05 | Wyzard | Area-51: As I said earlier, that could just mean it isn't associated to an access point |
| 05:50.06 | MaxPower | would u please be able to help me set access permissions on virtual users? |
| 05:50.13 | Area-51 | Gnea: the actual card is a JAHT card using the prism duette chipset |
| 05:50.15 | deadcat | E17 is cpu hog. |
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| 05:50.26 | Gnea | deadcat: so's your mom. :) |
| 05:50.40 | deadcat | Gnea: oh bitch... you're a dead man.. (= |
| 05:50.46 | theblue | smoked1: What issues does etch have? |
| 05:50.46 | Smoked1 | MaxPower: I never used virtual users but did some reading on it today. I belive you have to create a seperate conf file for them |
| 05:50.49 | Area-51 | Wyzard: i tried configuring it and it wont go |
| 05:50.58 | Smoked1 | Thats all I remember. Sorry I could not help more |
| 05:50.59 | Gnea | deadcat: haha, actually, it can be tweaked to be not-so-cpu intensive |
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| 05:51.05 | Wyzard | Area-51: dunno then |
| 05:51.16 | Area-51 | bollocks :( |
| 05:51.23 | Gnea | deadcat: that's something i've been working on figuring out ;) |
| 05:51.25 | Wyzard | Area-51: I use the Windows driver under ndiswrapper because prism54 doesn't support WPA |
| 05:51.34 | deadcat | Gnea: the dude at the sun station in LWCE was doing a demo on E and his cpu was 87% constantly |
| 05:51.37 | Gnea | deadcat: but seriously, your mom is cool :) |
| 05:51.45 | MaxPower | Smoked1: Cool thanks, i dont suppose u know where i could find out how to do that? |
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| 05:52.12 | Gnea | deadcat: really?? i missed most of what sun was doing - i tried walking around there but no one would approach me, they were all busy |
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| 05:52.19 | Area-51 | wpa sucks anyway, so who cares, and im not concerned with encryption, no one can hit my signal from outside the basement anyway :P |
| 05:52.25 | Area-51 | :) |
| 05:52.27 | apardo | hi |
| 05:52.29 | deadcat | Gnea: ya. busy talking to each other. |
| 05:52.30 | deadcat | hahah |
| 05:52.34 | Gnea | deadcat: he must've had some shit running in the background to make it do that |
| 05:52.37 | Gnea | lol |
| 05:52.59 | deadcat | Gnea: he was enabling all those fancy eye-candies.. |
| 05:53.06 | Gnea | deadcat: well there ya go |
| 05:53.09 | sn00p | Where do I d/l the minimal install iso for debian sarge? |
| 05:53.12 | Gnea | eye candy is designed to do that |
| 05:53.15 | sn00p | I cant find it on ftp.debian.org |
| 05:53.17 | Coke | mmmm.... eye candy. ggaaargglgh! |
| 05:53.17 | deadcat | sn00p: debian.org |
| 05:53.19 | Gnea | it's a system stress-tester |
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| 05:53.24 | jm__ | sn00p: debian.org mirrors not good enough for you? |
| 05:53.42 | Gnea | deadcat: that's why e17 rocks ;) |
| 05:53.47 | sn00p | It has nothing on them |
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| 05:53.53 | jm__ | yes, nothing ... |
| 05:54.10 | deadcat | Gnea: hahaha.. the dfault theme looks crappy to me.. |
| 05:54.29 | sep | sn00p, so you say that all the debian mirrors all over the world have nothing on them ? strange, that's where i get my netinst images all the time |
| 05:54.32 | Gnea | deadcat: it's functional at least, there's always www.get-e.org :) |
| 05:54.48 | Area-51 | Wyzard: umm, whenever something tried to use that card the system seems to lock and the audio goes into a split second loop... dodgy card or dodgy firmware? |
| 05:54.56 | Gnea | deadcat: themes install so fast and easy now - you just drop it into the themes dir and voila, it's in the menu instantly |
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| 05:55.06 | Gnea | don't have to restart a single thing. |
| 05:55.15 | Gnea | just click the mouse and it's *there* |
| 05:55.31 | deadcat | Gnea: ya. sometimes E17 looks nice though.. i wish openbox can have some cool stuff like that. |
| 05:55.48 | nomad_cz | Hi. Just wondering - is security.debian.org accessible ? |
| 05:55.51 | Gnea | deadcat: e17 is ahead of everything, always has been, always will be |
| 05:55.58 | mwilson | deadcat: "cool stuff" like what? Openbox is a window manager. E is... something else. |
| 05:55.59 | nomad_cz | Err http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/main Packages |
| 05:55.59 | nomad_cz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.04 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: /topic |
| 05:56.07 | Gnea | nomad_cz: naw it's still down |
| 05:56.35 | Area-51 | Gnea: someone trip over the power cable? ^.^ |
| 05:56.35 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: Gnea : Thanks ;) |
| 05:56.36 | deadcat | mwilson: like the alt+tab.. currently it SUCKS.. i want it to display the list like what wmaker has right now. thats pretty fancy.. |
| 05:56.40 | Gnea | deadcat: every week it becomes more and more functional |
| 05:56.46 | Gnea | Area-51: hehe probably |
| 05:56.48 | sn00p | there are no net images on the ftp |
| 05:56.54 | sn00p | what directory are they in |
| 05:57.00 | deadcat | Gnea: didnt know you are a E user (= |
| 05:57.14 | Area-51 | fluxbox > * |
| 05:57.14 | Gnea | deadcat: have been since 0.13.3 |
| 05:57.15 | Area-51 | ;) |
| 05:57.16 | mwilson | deadcat: Pop-ups are evil. |
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| 05:57.34 | deadcat | Gnea: damn. (= |
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| 05:57.37 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:57.49 | Area-51 | Gnea: so why E and not F? |
| 05:57.53 | sn00p | I cant find any isos on debian |
| 05:58.00 | Area-51 | inquiring minds wanna know ^.^ |
| 05:58.04 | deadcat | mwilson: evil maybe.. less confusing. currently you have to guess which window is the selected one going through the alt+tab list. |
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| 05:58.13 | Gnea | Area-51: Fluxbox got to it ;) |
| 05:58.14 | Area-51 | sn00p: then look harder, theyre right in front of you |
| 05:58.20 | dondelelcaro | sn00p: look at www.us.debian.org/CD; there are whole host of mirrors that archive them. |
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| 05:58.26 | Area-51 | Gnea: i dont quite follow |
| 05:58.32 | desktop | hey is debian down? |
| 05:58.44 | Gnea | Area-51: it was a rhetorical question, it got a rhetorical answer :) |
| 05:58.44 | deadcat | Area-51: fluxbox wont let you shade a window with the mouse. therefore i ditched the bitch (= |
| 05:58.51 | dondelelcaro | desktop: /topic |
| 05:58.52 | drew | jetstreamer, thank you, I got my graphic card working and am now in Debian |
| 05:59.15 | Area-51 | deadcat: you can shade windows with a mouse click ;) |
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| 05:59.20 | drew | does anyone know how I install kde? |
| 05:59.27 | drew | is it apt-get install kde? |
| 05:59.29 | Area-51 | Gnea: ah, dont mind me, im kinda retarded that way ;) |
| 05:59.32 | desktop | dondelelcaro: is there any other mirrors i can use? |
| 05:59.39 | deadcat | Area-51: too lazy to click.. i've done that (= |
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| 05:59.46 | Area-51 | deadcat: lol |
| 05:59.49 | Gnea | Area-51: it's all good :) |
| 05:59.54 | Area-51 | :) |
| 06:00.16 | desktop | anyone know the address to berkley's debian mirrors? |
| 06:00.17 | deadcat | Area-51: 2 clicks vs. moving my finger up|down |
| 06:00.21 | Gnea | !tell desktop about kde |
| 06:00.24 | deadcat | desktop: apt-setup |
| 06:00.24 | Gnea | !tell desktop about install kde |
| 06:00.40 | Area-51 | deadcat: and i thought i was lazy ;P |
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| 06:00.46 | deadcat | desktop: the berkeley one sucks now.. if you are around the bay area, use the ucsc one |
| 06:01.02 | Area-51 | but i got a sexy pic of me on one of my AS/400 Advanced mainframes so i think im cooler :P |
| 06:01.02 | deadcat | Area-51: nah man.. i am definately lazier... tahts why i use debian |
| 06:01.17 | Area-51 | lol @ deadcat |
| 06:01.22 | Gnea | Area-51: when I first got into linux, fvwm2 was attractive to me ;) |
| 06:01.22 | deadcat | Area-51: its better be you in a goddamn bikini (= |
| 06:01.34 | deadcat | Area-51: else it aint sexy |
| 06:01.41 | Area-51 | deadcat: oh trust me, you dont want to see what i got in a bikini :P |
| 06:01.52 | Gnea | there was an editable menu, virtual desktops... |
| 06:02.21 | deadcat | Area-51: i'll wait till you get your boob job (= |
| 06:02.26 | Area-51 | i was never into virtual desktops |
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| 06:02.38 | Area-51 | deadcat: ill need more than a boob job, trust me ;P |
| 06:02.41 | Gnea | then one day while trying to get the gimp to work i found this thing called enlightenment, it had some very nice screenshots.. when i discovered that it was for linux and (at the time) linux-only, i made it my quest to get it compiled :) |
| 06:02.42 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 06:03.15 | yonkeltron | i am plugging in an external usb drive by usb and dmesg isn't even showing that it's getting recognised by the system....is there something i am missing here? |
| 06:03.28 | Area-51 | Gnea: i moved from kde to fluxbox after trying E and other wm's and de's, im happy here :) |
| 06:03.52 | Area-51 | yonkeltron: tail /var/log/messages and see if it can find a module for it |
| 06:04.06 | Gnea | Area-51: i needed something that was evolving fast and at its own pace :) |
| 06:04.09 | deadcat | Gnea: the blue eye theme is nice, ice-2005 is nice, winter is not bad, clean ok, the rest sucks.. |
| 06:04.28 | Area-51 | Gnea: i like simplicity and control, i dont need evolving or full of features :) |
| 06:04.33 | Gnea | deadcat: i like gant |
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| 06:04.41 | yonkeltron | Area-51: ok...i was looking at usbmount, usbmgr, usbutils, etc. do i need those? |
| 06:04.52 | Gnea | i'm currently using detour |
| 06:04.54 | deadcat | Gnea: its the icons on the right thats ugly.. the stupid gimp icon |
| 06:05.04 | Gnea | deadcat: well the nice thing is |
| 06:05.13 | Area-51 | yonkeltron: imho, no, ive never used them, my usb drive shows up as a scsi device (/dev/sda1 to be exact) |
| 06:05.30 | Gnea | deadcat: if you read closely, you'll notice that the icons *don't* come with the base theme, the icons are their own iconset, so you can install a theme without those icons :) |
| 06:05.45 | Gnea | deadcat: i use my own icons ;) |
| 06:05.46 | deadcat | Gnea: hahaha.. |
| 06:05.49 | deadcat | nice |
| 06:05.53 | Gnea | very. |
| 06:06.07 | Agrajag- | has anyone tried enlightenment dr17? |
| 06:06.19 | Gnea | Agrajag-: you know that's what we're talking about, right? |
| 06:06.25 | Agrajag- | oh |
| 06:06.28 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:06.30 | Agrajag- | i just started reading then |
| 06:06.33 | Agrajag- | didn't read up enough :) |
| 06:06.36 | yonkeltron | Area-51: well nothing is coming up from dmesg or from /var/log/messages. i prob don't have something installed that i need to have installed. it should at least notice that the drive is in there right? |
| 06:06.39 | Gnea | haha |
| 06:06.47 | Gnea | i run e17 on my main desktop |
| 06:07.11 | Gnea | debian runs it quite well |
| 06:07.23 | Agrajag- | is it as lightweight and fast and stuff as they claim it is? |
| 06:07.31 | deadcat | Gnea: when can i expect to apt-get e17? (= want to test out some themes |
| 06:07.40 | Gnea | as long as you don't turn on every piece of eye candy, yes |
| 06:07.43 | Area-51 | yonkeltron: you should notice something coorilating with usb if you plug it in, whether it can load a module for it or not |
| 06:07.47 | mwilson | My gods, did slashcrap run another meaningless E posting or something? |
| 06:07.52 | Area-51 | you sure your usb is working? :P |
| 06:07.58 | mwilson | That's about the only thing that prompts this much attention on E. |
| 06:07.59 | deadcat | mwilson: ya |
| 06:08.21 | deadcat | mwilson: hmm. maybe i should register slashcrap.org (= |
| 06:08.32 | Gnea | deadcat: it's already apt-get'able, actually. someone is maintaining a repo, but i'm not sure how well they stand up, plus it's a hokey thing, because the package is easy to be overridden by the main E package (blame ljlane) ;) |
| 06:08.54 | deadcat | ah |
| 06:08.58 | Agrajag- | Gnea: so you installed like tihs? http://enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/Get_Enlightenment/Build_Notes.html |
| 06:08.59 | Gnea | !dr17 |
| 06:09.00 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 06:09.06 | Gnea | there :) |
| 06:09.27 | Gnea | Agrajag-: actually i install using atmos's update_e.pl script |
| 06:09.36 | desktop | anyone know a mirror for the security.debian. repository? |
| 06:09.50 | deadcat | desktop: apt-setup |
| 06:09.54 | deadcat | i told you already |
| 06:09.59 | yonkeltron | Area-51: i don't see a thing |
| 06:10.03 | JoshH | i have the tomcat5-admin and tomcat5-webapps packages installed but when i go to http://server:8180/admin i get 404: The requested resource (/admin) is not available. same thing on the jsp-examples. can anyone tell me what i need to do to get those working? |
| 06:10.17 | Gnea | Agrajag-: i'm currently working on a completely new script that utilizes that script and makes sure all of the dep's are installed - basically to help the transition along |
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| 06:10.47 | Agrajag- | righto |
| 06:10.49 | Area-51 | yonkeltron: u sure ur usb is working? |
| 06:10.53 | Gnea | JoshH: what happened to #tomcat? |
| 06:10.56 | torc | does base system depend on `at` package somehow? |
| 06:10.56 | mwilson | !u |
| 06:10.57 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:11.03 | deadcat | anyone using skippy? that thing is SLOW.. and not compatible |
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| 06:11.20 | mwilson | What exactly is it "not compatible" with? |
| 06:11.20 | yonkeltron | Area-51: let me double check something...... |
| 06:11.30 | JoshH | Gnea: i think it might be something debian specific, on a tomcat setup on a windows server those things work out of the box |
| 06:11.31 | deadcat | torc: ya at,mutt,exim4 |
| 06:11.50 | mwilson | And yes, without DAMAGE and COMPOSITE, it's not the fastest thing in the world. |
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| 06:12.04 | torc | deadcat: but if i remove exim4 it removes at, any system scripts depend on it? |
| 06:12.21 | torc | deadcat: i dont use it myself, so i want to remove at, is it fine? |
| 06:12.25 | Gnea | JoshH: are you following some sort of online documentation for setting it up? |
| 06:12.36 | deadcat | torc: sure. maybe you can apt-get it back later or something |
| 06:12.40 | mwilson | torc: The system requires the *MTA*, not at. |
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| 06:13.21 | torc | mwilson: sure, i install nullmailer instead. |
| 06:13.33 | torc | is it fine to disable inetd if i'm not using it? |
| 06:13.44 | torc | like... remove it with update-rc.d |
| 06:13.45 | JoshH | Gnea: yes, ive been following some guides. ive got tomcat itself working, its just that none of the webapps or the admin/manager links work. do you have any actual suggestions? |
| 06:13.54 | mwilson | torc: Why're you trying so hard to break the box? |
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| 06:14.06 | Gnea | JoshH: double check your apache configs... |
| 06:14.22 | torc | mwilson: they say, that one should disable everything unneeded, its 'security' ;) |
| 06:14.31 | Gnea | JoshH: and dir permissions |
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| 06:14.56 | JoshH | the apache config is fine, i can send stuff to tomcat with mod_jk and that works. the 404 on those links is from tomcat, not apache, but i dont know what im missing. |
| 06:15.07 | dsteuber | Hello. I'm trying to make an unusual shorewall configuration and I'm having trouble figuring it out. |
| 06:15.24 | dsteuber | Can anyone help me? |
| 06:15.36 | mwilson | Hm, who's the actress that played Susan Ivanova? |
| 06:15.39 | Gnea | !tell dsteuber about ask |
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| 06:15.53 | Gnea | mwilson: ooo forgot her name but she's unf unf hot |
| 06:15.53 | deadcat | mwilson: who the hell is susan ivanova? |
| 06:15.57 | fat | ! |
| 06:16.01 | mwilson | hrh |
| 06:16.03 | Gnea | deadcat: B5 |
| 06:16.04 | dsteuber | mwilson: Claudia Christian |
| 06:16.04 | theblue | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.10 | deadcat | Gnea: b5? |
| 06:16.10 | mwilson | dsteuber: Ah, thank you. |
| 06:16.15 | peterS | hmmmm. while we're on topic, how do I pronounce the Italian word 'poi'? |
| 06:16.16 | Gnea | babylon 5 |
| 06:16.19 | deadcat | o |
| 06:16.24 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:16.24 | mwilson | poi is Hawaiian. |
| 06:16.30 | dsteuber | That may be spelled wrong... |
| 06:16.35 | peterS | Mozart thought it was Italian |
| 06:16.36 | yonkeltron | Area-51: usb is working...it detects my joystick and i have a usb mouse |
| 06:16.39 | peterS | but he was Austrian, so. |
| 06:16.41 | Gnea | JoshH: i believe tomcat has some sort of logging system of its own.. |
| 06:16.44 | aeronadix | I like Amanda Peet |
| 06:16.45 | Area-51 | hmm |
| 06:16.58 | JoshH | the logs dont mention anything about it |
| 06:17.03 | Area-51 | yonkeltron: sorry mate, not sure offhand |
| 06:17.09 | aeronadix | she has devil eyes |
| 06:17.22 | peterS | "...che per me poi non ha?" |
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| 06:17.24 | peterS | from Figaro |
| 06:17.24 | yonkeltron | Area-51: wait...i think i got it |
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| 06:17.38 | deadcat | Gnea: my lastname is wong and the dude after me's lastname is wright and the instructor was joking about it today HAHAHAHA. |
| 06:18.05 | drew | is Debian's KDE supposed to look A LOT like Knoppix? |
| 06:18.18 | deadcat | drew: you can make it to look like that. |
| 06:18.28 | deadcat | drew: its just a background image |
| 06:18.42 | Vladi_here | drew: make KDE look your own |
| 06:18.48 | peterS | deadcat: may as well put your full name in irc whois now |
| 06:18.48 | drew | deadcat, the panel and everything looks the same as knoppix though XD |
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| 06:19.13 | peterS | bah, nobody can pronounce 'poi' in Italian? you are all useless. Useless, I say. what kind of channel is this anyway? |
| 06:19.17 | dsteuber | I want to setup shorewall to do NAT port forwarding connections to 127.0.0.1:9119 to news.myisp.net:119. I'm running Debian/Sarge with a 2.6 kernel and using iptables. |
| 06:19.25 | deadcat | peterS: no matter, what they gonna do? come kick my ass? (= |
| 06:19.27 | aeronadix | why are ppl always talkin about knoppix, I better google it once and for all |
| 06:20.10 | Gnea | deadcat: heh |
| 06:20.13 | desktop | debian is back up |
| 06:20.23 | peterS | debian is always up |
| 06:20.28 | peterS | we cover all timezones |
| 06:20.52 | desktop | i just deleted the security.debian resporitory and i for the what it was anyone know? |
| 06:20.52 | Vladi_here | true |
| 06:20.53 | deadcat | empty: i think debian ment something else to him.. (= |
| 06:21.13 | peterS | true |
| 06:21.21 | dsteuber | in /etc/shorewall/rules this line doesn't work (when uncommented): #DNAT lo net:pa.news.verio.net tcp 119 |
| 06:21.52 | desktop | anyone know the full resporitory addy of security.debian.org or something |
| 06:22.06 | deadcat | desktop: apt-setup it will ask you dont it? |
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| 06:22.13 | dsteuber | Error: Rule "DNAT lo net:pa.news.verio.net tcp 119" requires NAT which is disabled |
| 06:22.24 | peterS | deadcat: it's apparently down at the moment |
| 06:22.36 | deadcat | i am guessing he /ignore'ed me. this is the freakin 3rd time i am telling him |
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| 06:22.54 | peterS | desktop: I guess I meant that line for you |
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| 06:23.14 | dsteuber | So first question: How do I enable NAT in shorewall? Is that the best way to do port forwarding? I'm planning on using an SSH -L tunnel to connect to 127.0.0.1:9119. |
| 06:23.22 | desktop | deadcat: i just don't want a mirror i want the addy to the actual security.debian resporitory |
| 06:23.37 | peterS | desktop: security.debian.org is down right now, it seems |
| 06:23.45 | desktop | k |
| 06:24.18 | peterS | desktop: when the machine is up, the address is not that hard to find via http://security.debian.org/, IIRC |
| 06:24.46 | bibe | desktop , peterS : the first message from the topic says it's down at the moment, it suggests to use www.us.debian.org |
| 06:24.54 | spo0nman | does anyone has hosting experience with www.nearlyfreespeech.net ? |
| 06:25.11 | peterS | bibe: that's good for www.debian.org but does that have a security.debian.org mirror? guess I should check |
| 06:25.18 | Gnea | ugh, this is still plaguing me... |
| 06:25.19 | Gnea | :/# /usr/sbin/base-config --help |
| 06:25.19 | drew | do I have to add extra repositories for debian? or is that just ubuntu junk? |
| 06:25.19 | Gnea | Terminated |
| 06:25.37 | Gnea | has anyone seen that before during a chrooted installation? |
| 06:26.05 | spo0nman | drew: if you mean multiverse and universe ... thats just ubuntu copying debian unstable. |
| 06:26.08 | bibe | anyway, i simply replaced security.debian.org with www.us.debian.org and no index can be downloaded. does anyone know the correct line to add to sources.list? |
| 06:26.15 | yonkeltron | for a usb device entry in my fstab (i.e. an mp3 player) what would i put down as the type? vfat? |
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| 06:26.26 | peterS | bibe: wait until security.debian.org comes back up |
| 06:26.37 | peterS | bibe: I don't see a mirror of it on www.us.debian.org |
| 06:26.37 | drew | spo0nman, so I should be able to download any packages I want at any time? |
| 06:27.04 | Gnea | apparantly, someone else has seen this and was told to run strace, but same problem: there's no strace! |
| 06:27.25 | desktop | peters: well apparently i can't install xfld desktop without it |
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| 06:27.48 | peterS | desktop: never heard of xfld |
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| 06:28.06 | desktop | its a preconfigured package of xfce |
| 06:28.09 | peterS | desktop: you could always just comment out the security line from sources.list, temporarily, and 'aptitude update' |
| 06:28.16 | Gnea | oh, HEHE open("/dev/ptmx", O_RDWR) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 06:28.18 | Gnea | open("/dev/ptyp0", O_RDWR) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 06:28.23 | bibe | peterS : thanks. I just guessed I could get updates from there (firefox's tab navigation is broken) |
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| 06:28.26 | peterS | Gnea: sounds like you need the /dev/pts filesystem |
| 06:28.34 | Gnea | bingo :) |
| 06:28.50 | Gnea | that wasn't included in the online howto |
| 06:28.58 | peterS | Gnea: though I don't know why /dev/ptmx would be missing.... |
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| 06:29.13 | peterS | Gnea: it's *related* to /dev/pts but it shouldn't have given you that particular error |
| 06:29.19 | peterS | Gnea: it should have said 'device not found' or some such |
| 06:29.38 | Gnea | well that's why i got strace onto it |
| 06:29.46 | Gnea | hrm |
| 06:30.13 | Gnea | well i can create those... |
| 06:30.32 | drew | what's the command to act as root in a shell? |
| 06:30.47 | streuner | drew: su |
| 06:30.55 | drew | it's su and not sudo? |
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| 06:31.52 | streuner | drew: read man su and man sudo |
| 06:32.52 | drew | oh ok, I get it now |
| 06:32.52 | drew | thanks |
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| 06:33.31 | Gnea | for i in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do mknod -m 660 ptyp$i c 2 $i; done |
| 06:33.36 | Gnea | ah, quite nice |
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| 06:34.08 | hui | hi |
| 06:34.09 | Gnea | chgrp dialout ptyp* |
| 06:34.12 | Gnea | all done. |
| 06:34.28 | hui | howru |
| 06:34.47 | hui | fine thanx and you? |
| 06:34.58 | hui | exit |
| 06:35.00 | hui | quit |
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| 06:35.26 | peterS | Gnea: dude. you don't want /dev/ptyp0, you want /dev/pts and /dev/ptmx |
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| 06:35.48 | davidw | is it just me or did firefox get broken in the recent security upgrade? |
| 06:35.56 | peterS | Gnea: so, cd /dev; MAKEDEV ptmx |
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| 06:36.22 | peterS | Gnea: and if /dev/pts isn't already mounted: mkdir pts; mount -t devpts none /dev/pts |
| 06:36.25 | Gnea | peterS: the strace mentioned them, i created them, then i created /dev/ttyp* and now it's working |
| 06:36.26 | jm_ | davidw: quite a few people complained about it |
| 06:36.36 | Gnea | peterS: hrm, k i'll back out and try that |
| 06:36.56 | peterS | Gnea: the /dev/ttyp* are not needed, that's what /dev/pts replaces. it's a tidier system. I still wonder how you managed to *not* have it available |
| 06:37.04 | davidw | jm_: I can imagine - is there a known fix or page or ....? |
| 06:37.16 | jm_ | peterS: someone had exactly the same problem two weeks, was pretty weird |
| 06:37.23 | peterS | jm_: I wonder if it's a udev thing |
| 06:37.25 | jm_ | davidw: no idea, I am still using the old one ;) |
| 06:37.25 | Gnea | peterS: proably because i'm using debootstrap from sid and a lot of mirrors are down today *shrug* |
| 06:37.32 | jm_ | peterS: I was wondering that too |
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| 06:37.43 | Gnea | from sid, to install a sarge system |
| 06:37.46 | sankar | hi all, what is the utility used to change the monitor and graphics card settings |
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| 06:37.58 | jm_ | !drxx sankar |
| 06:37.58 | Gnea | sankar: vi |
| 06:37.59 | dpkg | sankar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:38.12 | peterS | Gnea: anyway. /dev/ptmx talks to /dev/pts/* which is in the devpts filesystem. under the old system, you had /dev/ttypN talking to /dev/ptypN, but programs had to figure out which N was unused and use it |
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| 06:38.54 | peterS | Gnea: your strace shows both because the program is trying both systems - when ptmx failed it tried to fall back on the BSD pty system |
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| 06:39.01 | sbk | Is there a debian package to "watch" a process, so that when it dies, it restarts, but if it dies too quickly, doesn't restart it? |
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| 06:39.43 | peterS | sbk: apt-cache show runit |
| 06:39.49 | Gnea | peterS: kick some arse, i'm gonna mod this howto right now. |
| 06:39.52 | sbk | peterS: ah, thanks |
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| 06:41.10 | sbk | peterS: hm, I see that init could be used, and that runit seems like a replacement for init |
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| 06:41.37 | peterS | sbk: I haven't used runit, but I understand you *can* just use it for individual services |
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| 06:41.51 | sbk | peterS: ah, I see. thanks, will look into it a bit more |
| 06:42.19 | peterS | sbk: yeah, like I said I haven't tried it. maybe it won't do what you need |
| 06:42.34 | sbk | peterS: gotcha -- thanks for the pointer |
| 06:42.53 | peterS | sbk: an alternative is 'daemontools', which has a non-free license but at least is available without money. debian contrib includes a 'daemontools-installer' to install daemontools on a debian system |
| 06:43.06 | peterS | sbk: daemontools is another thing I haven't tried, but I've heard it does the sorts of things you're asking about |
| 06:43.20 | streuner | apt, info daemon |
| 06:43.22 | sbk | peterS: interesting -- thanks again, one more thing to add to the list of things to look at |
| 06:43.26 | peterS | no problem |
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| 06:44.48 | imaek | Does anyone know of a way I can reformat an unmounted harddrive that does not require X? |
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| 06:45.15 | streuner | Description: turns other processes into daemons |
| 06:45.15 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.15 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.30 | Chron | Kind of scared. when I use df/ls I get.. |
| 06:45.32 | Chron | chron@debian:/$ dir |
| 06:45.32 | Chron | Segmentation fault |
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| 06:46.01 | Chron | Anyone got a clue what I can do? |
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| 06:46.20 | sbk | streuner: interesting... i'm looking more for a restarter I guess, rather than something that disconnects from the tty, etc |
| 06:46.30 | travolta | chron: try different shell ? |
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| 06:46.46 | drew | is my firefix browser already equipped with flash plugins and such? |
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| 06:47.05 | davidw | drew: no |
| 06:47.07 | Chron | throw me a bone please, travolta |
| 06:47.08 | streuner | sbk: well, daemon restarts the process too |
| 06:47.18 | davidw | flash isn't free software, so Debian doesn't/can't distribute it |
| 06:47.21 | sbk | streuner: ah, didn't realize that -- great |
| 06:47.37 | Chron | Want me to open another session or switch to a shell other than bash? |
| 06:48.03 | Chron | thing is, it worked no problem last night, have been transferring files to it overnight into an encfs encrypted dir, and now its just dead all together. |
| 06:48.13 | TraceGreen | Hello, i am now have bootsplash, but no progress bar, how can i set it out? |
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| 06:48.47 | travolta | sorry, i have no experience with encrypted directories |
| 06:48.55 | Chron | Cant even ssh to it. |
| 06:49.01 | sbk | streuner: thanks -- I think that fits the bill perfectly |
| 06:49.05 | Chron | Probably a good time for a reboot. |
| 06:49.37 | Chron | hell, this is probably pretty bad, getting segmentation fault even when I do ps |
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| 06:52.23 | Gnea | also of note, mirrors.kernel.org works just fine |
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| 06:52.47 | StR | anyone could help me with svn? |
| 06:52.58 | StR | no one there knows the answer |
| 06:53.04 | Gnea | !tell Str about ask |
| 06:53.24 | bjason | i'm trying to configure a source and i get an error telling me i need ***zlib |
| 06:53.38 | Gnea | bjason: install the dev |
| 06:53.44 | Gnea | apt-cache search zlib dev |
| 06:53.44 | streuner | bjason: apt-cache search zlib dev |
| 06:53.46 | Smoked1 | anyone know of a guide on setting up a secure pop3/imap server using dovecot? |
| 06:53.49 | StR | I need to ignore the changes in my local copy for a configuration.php file... |
| 06:53.50 | Smoked1 | With ssl? |
| 06:53.50 | bjason | alright, thanks! |
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| 06:53.51 | Gnea | !beer streuner |
| 06:53.57 | StR | but I don't undestand how... |
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| 06:54.00 | streuner | apt, win Gnea |
| 06:54.03 | apt | Congratulations, Gnea! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 06:54.08 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 06:54.09 | sn00p | dpkg vmare |
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| 06:54.10 | imaek | Does anyone know of a way I can reformat an unmounted harddrive that does not require X? |
| 06:54.36 | Gnea | Smoked1: uhm, dovecot.org? |
| 06:54.54 | Area-51 | imaek: mkfs? |
| 06:55.01 | peterS | StR: dude, you got help in #svn |
| 06:55.04 | Gnea | imaek: formatting requires X? |
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| 06:55.10 | lunatech | imaek: fsck ? |
| 06:55.14 | iobound | hi, is xmms in sid broken? i get this when i try to start it: *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0xb6a8fb3e ** |
| 06:55.17 | imaek | No, I just mean a program that will format, Gnea. |
| 06:55.18 | davidw | Gnea: yeah, and emacs too |
| 06:55.26 | Gnea | davidw: bastards. |
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| 06:55.33 | Area-51 | Gnea: http://larryhaller.com/fluxbox-2005.png <-- fluxbox is cooler than E 0:) |
| 06:55.35 | StR | peterS: like I saind "no one there knows the answer" |
| 06:55.35 | streuner | iobound: /msg apt sid faq |
| 06:55.39 | Smoked1 | anyone know when the security mirror will be back up? |
| 06:55.45 | alistair | Hey whats the app for KDE about your system display on your dekstop |
| 06:55.58 | Area-51 | Gnea: my desktop... simple, flexable, and oh so customizable |
| 06:55.59 | Area-51 | :D |
| 06:56.10 | iobound | streuner that page didn't say anything about xmms. :( and bugs.debian.og is down |
| 06:56.16 | iobound | i'd love to hear about a workaround or something |
| 06:56.34 | Gnea | Area-51: nice 404's ;) |
| 06:56.43 | streuner | iobound: -5 is buggy, so.... |
| 06:56.49 | Area-51 | Gnea: i thought they fit with the rest of the onsamble ;) |
| 06:57.09 | Area-51 | iobound: workaround for what? |
| 06:57.16 | iobound | area for the xmms won't start up bug :) |
| 06:57.18 | streuner | iobound: the whole thing started with new libc6.... |
| 06:57.21 | iobound | streuner -5 what? of libc6 ? |
| 06:57.24 | Gnea | Area-51: 'ensemble'? :) |
| 06:57.33 | iobound | i have 2.3.5-4, not -5 |
| 06:57.35 | streuner | iobound: in unstable |
| 06:57.46 | streuner | iobound: no, refering to xmms |
| 06:57.48 | alistair | Hey whats the app for KDE about your system display on your dekstop, k something? |
| 06:57.57 | Area-51 | Gnea: spelling, pfft, spelling is for the weak |
| 06:58.06 | Area-51 | hehe |
| 06:58.10 | iobound | streuner i don't have a "-5" of xmms either, it's 1.2.10+cvs20050209-2 |
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| 06:58.26 | Area-51 | iobound: using etch? |
| 06:58.29 | iobound | sid |
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| 06:58.39 | streuner | iobound: uhm, sorry, had torsmo in mind... |
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| 06:58.52 | Area-51 | iobound: if it makes you feel better, im still using sid and xmms works for me 0;) |
| 06:58.56 | iobound | dammit! |
| 06:58.58 | iobound | :) |
| 06:59.11 | streuner | iobound: but the statement is ok for xmms... |
| 06:59.36 | streuner | iobound: as i told you before, since libc6 changed problems begun with xmms |
| 07:00.02 | streuner | Welcome to unstable |
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| 07:00.07 | iobound | ah, it was xmms-flac that caused the problem (used gdb to bt on the abort and found lots of xmms-flac in stacktrace) |
| 07:00.11 | iobound | dpkg --purge xmms-flac solved it |
| 07:00.28 | Area-51 | Gnea: oh yea, and the text on the right actually gets updated every reboot directly from dmesg... i really need a life and a better way to waste cpu cycles ;P |
| 07:00.31 | iobound | ok, thanks for the help |
| 07:00.33 | bjason | is there a way to get xmms to play video? |
| 07:00.36 | Area-51 | on the right of the wallpaper* |
| 07:00.39 | Area-51 | erm |
| 07:00.40 | Area-51 | left |
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| 07:00.47 | Area-51 | i cant tell my directions tonight :P |
| 07:00.51 | alistair | Hey whats the app for KDE about your system display on your dekstop, k something? |
| 07:01.01 | Area-51 | alistair: gkrellm? |
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| 07:01.08 | univx | hi all |
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| 07:02.21 | jm_ | nja;yes, with appropriate plugin |
| 07:02.32 | Area-51 | does anyone know where i could dig up some n00b as/400 information? i have aquired 3 as/400 advanced mainframes and like, my knowledge is very little about the basics of it, configuration ive been learning on, but how to set it up and stuff (like how to plug it in, which voltages, and other hardware specs) |
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| 07:02.47 | jm_ | bjason: yes, with appropriate plugin |
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| 07:03.03 | Gnea | Area-51: http://gnea.net/img/ss-51.jpg :) |
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| 07:03.15 | bjason | jm_: is there one that comes to mind? |
| 07:03.45 | jm_ | bjason: apt-cache search xmms play video |
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| 07:04.02 | Gnea | oops |
| 07:04.19 | Area-51 | Gnea: not too shabby |
| 07:04.21 | Area-51 | :) |
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| 07:04.44 | Area-51 | looks cool though, but i prefer more crude and more difficult practices ;) |
| 07:04.54 | Area-51 | ...and meant in a non-sexual way... |
| 07:05.09 | Area-51 | or was it... |
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| 07:05.14 | Gnea | heh |
| 07:05.33 | Area-51 | ok, im kidding, and its like 2am and im freakin tired after working overtime today, erm, yesterday |
| 07:05.36 | Area-51 | :P |
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| 07:05.43 | jm_ | litage: it depends on what kind of RAID setup you have/want |
| 07:05.54 | Gnea | ok |
| 07:06.04 | Gnea | http://gnea.net/img/ss-51.jpg |
| 07:06.05 | Gnea | that works again |
| 07:06.27 | Area-51 | :) |
| 07:06.33 | Area-51 | well, im off to bed |
| 07:06.43 | Smoked1 | sheesh im wasted |
| 07:06.52 | Gnea | heh, later |
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| 07:07.07 | Area-51 | i need a life :P |
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| 07:07.24 | Area-51 | but first, i sleep on it |
| 07:07.27 | Gnea | get out of there while you still can ;) |
| 07:07.32 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 07:07.32 | Area-51 | lol |
| 07:07.35 | Shadowcat | umount Area-51 |
| 07:07.48 | Shadowcat | dd if=/dev/awake of=Area-51 |
| 07:07.54 | Area-51 | lol |
| 07:07.55 | sep | i know im not awake yet... i keep trying to TAB compleate my passwords :( |
| 07:07.55 | Area-51 | nice |
| 07:07.55 | litage | jm_: plain ol' mirroring |
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| 07:09.40 | univx | are there any problems activating apm and acpi? |
| 07:09.57 | Gnea | sometimes |
| 07:09.59 | peterS | !qotd52 |
| 07:09.59 | dpkg | <orangey_> has *nobody* here tried to dock a KDE icon into gnome? <orangey_> man. This is totally a karma thing. I didn't help somebody the other day when I knew the answer just because I wanted to watch a simpsons episode instead. <orangey_> I thought buddha would understand. |
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| 07:10.26 | jm_ | litage: read installation manual, it explains this |
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| 07:11.03 | univx | my notebook don't go in standby when i type Fn+F4? |
| 07:11.16 | litage | jm_: as in the debian installation manual? |
| 07:11.47 | univx | but this problem was born with kernel 2.6 |
| 07:11.56 | jm_ | litage: yes, what else? |
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| 07:12.15 | univx | in the kernel 2.4 it's ok |
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| 07:13.04 | univx | some people say me to recompile th ekernel activating apm |
| 07:13.41 | univx | but i don't know what option activate |
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| 07:14.55 | Bobby_G | !kernel |
| 07:14.58 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.12.5, prepatch: 2.6.13-rc7, snapshot: 2.6.12-git10, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-pre3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.13-rc6-mm2 |
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| 07:15.50 | Bobby_G | downloaded the latest debian release ( or so I thought). The kernel version as 2.4 .Is this right, or have I downloaded an older release ? |
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| 07:17.05 | alistair | whats the program for your system status on your desktop? |
| 07:17.18 | Bobby_G | not quite sure |
| 07:18.02 | alistair | =// |
| 07:18.12 | Bobby_G | but I am sure my kernel version is 2.4-something-386 |
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| 07:18.37 | Bobby_G | dont remeber. Working on XP now, because I cant set res higher than 800x600 in deb |
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| 07:19.56 | jm_ | Debian has both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels |
| 07:20.26 | Bobby_G | I downloaded the net installer. came with 2.4 |
| 07:20.53 | tralala | it should have 2.6 as well |
| 07:20.53 | sep | Bobby_G, your using the wrong gfx driver then ? |
| 07:21.13 | roby | hai? |
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| 07:21.37 | sep | Bobby_G, you can easily upgrade to 2.6 kernel with apt-cache search kernel-image, then apt-get install kernel-image-version you want |
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| 07:22.01 | Bobby_G | thats all I need to do ? |
| 07:22.14 | sep | Bobby_G, basicaly yes, |
| 07:22.16 | tralala | + reboot |
| 07:22.24 | sep | yes reboot on new kernel ofcouse |
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| 07:23.15 | Bobby_G | I guess I have to configure the bootloader to do that ? |
| 07:23.32 | sep | Bobby_G, the kernel-image automagicaly configures your bootloader |
| 07:23.41 | Bobby_G | ok |
| 07:25.17 | Bobby_G | so, when I "apt-get install kernel-image-version" . The Kernel is installed, and when I reboot, i boot into the new kernel ? |
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| 07:25.29 | sep | Bobby_G, aye, |
| 07:25.35 | Bobby_G | aye |
| 07:25.45 | Bobby_G | seemed nice and easy |
| 07:25.53 | sep | Bobby_G, you must ofcouse replace version with the version you want from the list you see from the apt-cache search output |
| 07:26.24 | Bobby_G | ok. I'm a newbie. nothing is "of course" to me :) |
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| 07:27.21 | sep | Bobby_G, or if your lazy you can use the kernel-image-2.6-arch (where arch is 586 or 386 or amd64 or whatever cpu you use) |
| 07:27.39 | Bobby_G | 686 :) |
| 07:28.14 | sep | 686 then |
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| 07:28.43 | Bobby_G | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-i686 ??????? |
| 07:29.22 | sep | Bobby_G, why dont you just apt-cache search kerne-image you'd see the exact rigth spelling |
| 07:29.26 | sep | kernel-image |
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| 07:29.31 | dimir | 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 07:29.51 | mud | im trying to install k3b but libqt3c102-mt is not available?? |
| 07:29.54 | sep | Bobby_G, kernel-image-2.6 to get a shorter list. use -smp kernel, if you have hyperthreading enabled, |
| 07:30.24 | Bobby_G | ok |
| 07:30.25 | va | as faar as i know kernel-image-2.6-arch is deprecated in favour of linux-image-2.6-arch |
| 07:30.38 | sep | va, this is sarge (afaik) |
| 07:30.43 | va | oh |
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| 07:34.33 | fat | Hi, having problem with ALSA/KDE. alsa modules all in kernel and alsa-base+alsa-utils installed. can find all my soundcards but alsaconf only detects the pci one (usb card not detected, but somehow it loads at boot and works). to the problem: KDE can't initialize the sound driver.. anyone have a clue what to do/check? |
| 07:34.37 | kuru | anyone have any idea how to exit a full-screen gnome-remotedesktop window? |
| 07:34.45 | kuru | without logging out of the machine they are connected to? |
| 07:35.06 | bibe | fat: try 'ls -l /dev/dsp /dev/mixer' |
| 07:35.33 | bibe | fat: and, does your user belong to 'audio' group? |
| 07:35.36 | fat | they point to /dev/dsp0 and /dev/mixer0 |
| 07:35.37 | fat | yes |
| 07:35.52 | fat | bibe, i can play audio through the console |
| 07:36.32 | fat | but..uh, kde doesnt want to use alsa *shrugs* |
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| 07:36.40 | bibe | fat: kde uses arts daemon, is it running? |
| 07:36.49 | fat | bibe, how do i check that? |
| 07:36.54 | meneg | can someone dcc me the init bin from current unstable? thank you |
| 07:37.12 | bibe | fat: 'ps -C artsd' |
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| 07:37.29 | fat | bibe, 13248 ? 00:00:00 artsd |
| 07:37.38 | Smoked1 | I am used to freebsd. How do I tell debian that it is name.mydomain.com? |
| 07:37.51 | fat | is the output |
| 07:38.00 | kevin06 | I just installed Visual Boy Advance, but I can't figure out the command to run it. Anyone know it? |
| 07:38.01 | bibe | fat: so it's up and running (with PID 13248) |
| 07:38.04 | Smoked1 | where is the config? |
| 07:38.27 | TheStick_ | kevin06: something like VisualBoyAdvance |
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| 07:38.30 | bibe | fat: what application do you use to play sound from kde? |
| 07:38.34 | meneg | can someone dcc me the bin/init binary from current i386 unstable? thanks |
| 07:38.42 | fat | bibe, xmms |
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| 07:38.54 | spdf | kevin06, dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin |
| 07:39.05 | fat | bibe, i have had it working before, but i decided to reinstall the alsa-base in order to get my usb card to work |
| 07:39.15 | fat | bibe, but after that all failed |
| 07:39.27 | fat | guess it was a bad idea |
| 07:39.33 | Smoked1 | anyone? |
| 07:39.36 | meneg | .. |
| 07:39.54 | tralala | fat: be sure to configure arts to use alsa (from the control center) |
| 07:40.02 | tralala | and then I think xmms has arts plugin |
| 07:40.07 | tralala | or disable arts completely |
| 07:40.07 | fat | yeah |
| 07:40.09 | kevin06 | TheStick_, Thanks, that's useful... |
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| 07:40.48 | bibe | fat: tralala is right, try disabling arts |
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| 07:40.53 | fat | tralala, done that.. |
| 07:40.55 | TheStick_ | kevin06: was that ironic? |
| 07:40.57 | fat | not disabling arts though |
| 07:40.59 | Bobby_G | if I download the 2.6 kernel, are there different gfx drivers than the 2.4 kernel ? |
| 07:41.00 | fat | i'll try to disable it! |
| 07:41.05 | TheStick_ | kevin06: cause it really is the right command |
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| 07:42.03 | kevin06 | TheStick_, Yes, I am so used to using lowercase myself, I never CONSIDERED VBA... |
| 07:42.17 | kevin06 | spdf, Thanks you for that, it will come in handy. |
| 07:42.17 | tralala | fat: you have two options - either configure xmms to use arts or disable arts. I'm personaly not using arts, but a lot of kde programs use it, so you may lose some sounds. |
| 07:42.17 | fat | bibe, xmms still won't play through alsa.. |
| 07:42.18 | TheStick_ | yeah, I did the same mistake |
| 07:42.32 | tralala | fat: do you still have arts running? |
| 07:42.37 | fat | tralala, nope |
| 07:42.40 | fat | tralala, disabled it |
| 07:42.51 | fat | hm |
| 07:42.55 | tralala | yeah, but is the running process killed? |
| 07:43.05 | fat | yes |
| 07:43.08 | bibe | fat: do you have libarts-alsa installed? |
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| 07:43.38 | fat | bibe, i'll have a look |
| 07:43.49 | bibe | fat: just to be sure that arts can "talk" to alsa |
| 07:44.03 | fat | uh oh |
| 07:44.07 | Bobby_G | !gfx |
| 07:44.20 | fat | bibe, when i do a 'apt-get install libarts-alsa' i get like 236 packages to be removed |
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| 07:44.49 | tralala | are you using sid? |
| 07:44.53 | fat | no |
| 07:44.54 | fat | sarge |
| 07:45.24 | dbi | not that klecker is down, what should I put in sources.list for security support? |
| 07:45.48 | tralala | so, arts is disabled, no arts process running and xmms is still unable to use alsa? |
| 07:45.49 | bibe | fat: don't do that... ;) do you have mplayer installed? |
| 07:46.11 | fat | bibe, hehe.. no |
| 07:46.13 | fat | bibe, vlc though |
| 07:46.25 | bibe | fat: can vlc play any sound? |
| 07:46.26 | fat | tralala, correct |
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| 07:46.54 | tralala | fat: can you launch alsamixer? |
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| 07:47.06 | fat | bibe, trying |
| 07:47.38 | fat | tralala, hm, not now. i could launch it a while ago though |
| 07:47.50 | liable | use lsof to see whats got the card tied up.. |
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| 07:48.21 | tralala | fat: you don't have properly configured alsa then |
| 07:48.22 | fat | tralala, ok. alsamixer running now |
| 07:48.37 | tralala | try again the xmms |
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| 07:49.01 | fat | ok vlc playing audio now |
| 07:49.02 | fat | excellent |
| 07:49.09 | Bobby_G | if I download the 2.6 kernel, are there different gfx drivers than the 2.4 kernel ? |
| 07:49.16 | fat | and xmms! |
| 07:49.33 | fat | thanks alot guys, very appreciated |
| 07:49.37 | bibe | fat: glad to hear it! |
| 07:49.43 | fat | still, i have this one big problem left :) |
| 07:50.02 | fat | alsaconf won't find my usb headset. though it's found and loaded at boot |
| 07:50.13 | tralala | Bobby_G: the video drivers are usually part of X not the kernel, unless you're running the nvidia or ati binary crap |
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| 07:50.29 | sep | Bobby_G, depends on what card you have, some drivers are in xfree, except for the propritary nvidia ati drivers |
| 07:50.33 | Bobby_G | ok |
| 07:50.50 | tralala | fat: the usb headset should have nothing to do with alsa |
| 07:50.52 | Bobby_G | have ati radeon mobility 9700 |
| 07:51.10 | fat | tralala, hmm..ok. good to know |
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| 07:51.38 | fat | tralala, but in what file is it that i should put the options snd-whatevercard index=0 (1, 2 and so on)? |
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| 07:52.07 | tralala | fat: man modprobe |
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| 07:52.21 | fat | tralala, read it.. :( |
| 07:52.38 | fat | tralala, kinda fought this problem like a week now |
| 07:53.08 | tralala | fat: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa or something |
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| 07:53.45 | tralala | Bobby_G: have you installed the ati binary driver? |
| 07:54.03 | Bobby_G | I have the one that came with the distro |
| 07:54.23 | sep | Bobby_G, read /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 07:54.31 | SimonRaven | debian doesn't support nor carry it in the mirrors |
| 07:54.35 | Bobby_G | I did. Will try that |
| 07:55.11 | sn00p | Has anybody got vmware3 to work on on debian? |
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| 07:55.16 | omp342 | hi guys |
| 07:55.49 | tralala | Bobby_G: if you use the default debian drivers then means you won't need to do anything when you upgrade your kernel |
| 07:56.08 | tralala | s/means// |
| 07:56.27 | sn00p | SO vmware is only for 2.6 kernels? |
| 07:56.34 | fat | tralala and bibi, a mil thanks to you and your help! |
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| 07:56.46 | Bobby_G | tralala: ok. sorry if I ask many stupid questions. But I have just started using linux =) |
| 07:57.14 | Cvbge | I can use www.us.debian.org for security updates? (instead of s.d.o) |
| 07:57.41 | dondelelcaro | Cvbge: no. |
| 07:57.55 | jm_ | Cvbge: only instead of www.d.o |
| 07:58.29 | tralala | !tell Bobby_G -about user guide |
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| 07:58.40 | dbi | dondelelcaro: is there a replacement for s.d.o then? |
| 07:58.58 | dondelelcaro | dbi: there are a few other mirrors, like http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian-security/ |
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| 07:59.35 | tralala | isn't a security mirror defeating its purpose? |
| 07:59.45 | dbi | dondelelcaro: i.e., nothing official. thanks. |
| 08:00.02 | dondelelcaro | nope. |
| 08:00.14 | dondelelcaro | this is a FAQ... |
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| 08:01.11 | dbi | dondelelcaro: I was wondering if the security archive has been moved to some other debian machine |
| 08:02.09 | sn00p | Which kernel version does Sarge 3.1 come with? |
| 08:02.10 | dbi | tralala: apt 0.6 and its signature verification shall make security mirrors thrustworthy, right? |
| 08:02.24 | streuner | sn00p: why do you care? |
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| 08:02.56 | tralala | dbi: I don't know, but I'm reading the faq right now so in a while I'll be able to answer |
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| 08:03.03 | sn00p | because |
| 08:03.03 | sn00p | I wanna use vmware with it |
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| 08:03.20 | tralala | sn00p: 2.6.8 |
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| 08:03.27 | sn00p | ok |
| 08:03.32 | streuner | or 2.4.27 |
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| 08:04.06 | sn00p | ? |
| 08:04.07 | streuner | You can use any kernel you want (sarge) |
| 08:04.38 | dondelelcaro | dbi: no, it hasn't. |
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| 08:04.43 | sn00p | Well does it come with 2.6.8? |
| 08:04.48 | streuner | d-i (debian-installer) just use 2.4.27 and 2.6.8... |
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| 08:05.14 | streuner | sn00p: sarge has precompiled kernel up to 2.6.8 |
| 08:05.21 | streuner | s/kernel/kernels/ |
| 08:05.28 | sn00p | you can choose? |
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| 08:05.36 | tralala | yes, you can |
| 08:06.01 | sn00p | Was that option available with woody? |
| 08:06.10 | streuner | nope |
| 08:06.13 | sn00p | ok |
| 08:06.34 | sn00p | I've only used woody i'm d/l'ing sarge atm |
| 08:06.56 | streuner | so woody is still on your box? |
| 08:07.29 | sn00p | no FreeBSD right now since I cant get firefox or vmware working on freebsd i'm switching to debian |
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| 08:07.46 | streuner | ah, ok. |
| 08:08.07 | sn00p | no one fixes shit for freebsd since licenses and shit |
| 08:08.24 | sn00p | and linux emulation on freebsd is a bitch |
| 08:08.52 | sn00p | I'll still run freebsd as my server |
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| 08:08.55 | sn00p | though |
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| 08:09.59 | tralala | feel free |
| 08:10.00 | streuner | sn00p: do you use d-i? |
| 08:10.07 | streuner | apt, d-i |
| 08:10.11 | apt | methinks d-i is Debian-Installer The Debian-Installer is the replacement for the aging "boot-floppies" installation system used in all previous versions of debian. The Debian Installer will be the installer for future versions of Debian, beginning with sarge. It has been designed to be more modular, easier to use, and more extensible than the old installation ... |
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| 08:10.25 | sn00p | i'm downloading netinstall image |
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| 08:10.35 | hyperstream | does gnome havew a vnc client? |
| 08:10.53 | tralala | hyperstream: apt-cache search gnome vnc |
| 08:10.53 | sn00p | Is that smaller than the net image? |
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| 08:11.03 | torc | is it possible to check some process statistics for some period? like memory usage... is there any util for that? |
| 08:11.16 | streuner | sn00p: if we are talking about d-i we mean netinstall |
| 08:11.41 | sn00p | The one thats 108mbs |
| 08:11.48 | streuner | yes |
| 08:12.10 | sn00p | yep |
| 08:12.48 | sn00p | i have to get up at 6:30 and is now 3:10am |
| 08:12.49 | sn00p | :( |
| 08:12.56 | sn00p | I hate that |
| 08:13.04 | fireworks075 | im tired |
| 08:13.30 | fireworks075 | oookay bye |
| 08:13.31 | sn00p | Might as well stay up all night |
| 08:14.02 | omp342 | is it my connection or is the debian website down? |
| 08:14.05 | pygrammer | 4:15 here :( |
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| 08:14.07 | pygrammer | too late |
| 08:14.19 | streuner | omp342: /topic |
| 08:14.27 | omp342 | never mind, it works now :) |
| 08:14.32 | sn00p | debian.org is down |
| 08:14.43 | omp342 | no |
| 08:14.47 | omp342 | it just opened for me |
| 08:15.08 | omp342 | i guess it's not down anymore :) |
| 08:15.12 | sn00p | fuck kde |
| 08:15.14 | streuner | http://www.us.debian.org/ |
| 08:15.25 | sn00p | kde is crappy window mnager |
| 08:15.42 | tralala | sn00p: kde is not a window manager |
| 08:15.59 | sn00p | ok, what is it ithen |
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| 08:16.32 | streuner | sn00p: desktop environment (DM) |
| 08:16.37 | blacke | anyone know what to do when getting this error: dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success |
| 08:16.38 | blacke | esk: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 08:16.38 | blacke | trying to downgrade my system from testing to stable and it gives me that error on the cpp-3.3 package. |
| 08:16.39 | tralala | Why would you care? You don't like it anyway. |
| 08:16.42 | streuner | sn00p: like GNOME |
| 08:17.12 | omp342 | i hate kde |
| 08:17.13 | sn00p | I've never used gnome or kde |
| 08:17.16 | omp342 | i like gnome |
| 08:17.20 | omp342 | i've never used debian =o |
| 08:17.21 | sn00p | and dont want to |
| 08:17.27 | omp342 | i'm using gentoo right now =/ |
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| 08:17.34 | onlyforangel | qualcuno che parla italian? |
| 08:17.35 | omp342 | i'm thinking of getting debian |
| 08:17.38 | tralala | !it |
| 08:17.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 08:17.57 | streuner | apt, gentoosmite omp342 |
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| 08:18.23 | bibe | blacke : downgrade is a painful process |
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| 08:18.51 | ssm | sn00p: then why blurt out that kde is a crappy window manager when it is neither a window manager, nor crappy at what it attempts to do, when you have never used it? |
| 08:19.09 | Mortalman | How would one go about running a program on a linux box and have it display on an xserver on Windows? |
| 08:19.31 | blacke | bibe: somewhat, but i cant get it back to testing since i keep getting that error |
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| 08:20.24 | bobslaede | hello people. i've got a problem with a debian home router i'm currently setting up. I anybody knows more than me, i would be happy to explain my problem :) |
| 08:20.35 | bibe | blacke : you probably already have a messed-up system, tried 'apt-get -f install'? |
| 08:20.41 | bobslaede | s/I/if |
| 08:20.47 | blacke | yeap |
| 08:20.52 | streuner | bobslaede: apt-get install ipmasq, done. |
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| 08:21.05 | bobslaede | streuner, i got dnsmasq |
| 08:21.17 | bobslaede | and iptables and what not |
| 08:21.30 | blacke | bibe: even a manual install of cpp-3.3 with --force-all gives me that error |
| 08:21.52 | bobslaede | all set up, but eth0 (lan) wants to use its own dhcp server, and gets and ip from it self |
| 08:22.15 | tralala | Mortalman: the easy way - cygwin + ssh X11 forwarding |
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| 08:23.05 | bobslaede | streuner, should i uninstall dnsmasq? |
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| 08:23.24 | streuner | !ops s.d.o works again |
| 08:23.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: s.d.o works again |
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| 08:23.30 | Mortalman | tralala: Ok, so I login to my linux box from my windows using cygwin's ssh, then what? Just start a program and it will show up? |
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| 08:24.02 | hyperstream | tralala, hmm |
| 08:24.10 | hyperstream | it doesnt allow the vnc protocol? |
| 08:24.42 | bibe | blacke : were you using a complete testing system, then trying to downgrade it to stable? did you already downgrade many packages? |
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| 08:25.04 | tralala | Mortalman: you start X under cygwin, then you ssh into your remote box (linux or whatever) and you start your programme. |
| 08:25.21 | tralala | man ssh (X11 forwarding) |
| 08:25.33 | Mortalman | tralala: That simple? sweet. thanks |
| 08:25.39 | blacke | bibe: no, went for all in one go. set pin-priority 1001 for stable release |
| 08:26.10 | Mortalman | tralala: Does this work better or worse then vnc? |
| 08:26.36 | hcy | can someone recommend a programming language for me to learn? something current, nice and powerful, yet quick and easy to learn... I'm experienced in programming with MS Visual Basic, but now I want something more 'adult', and linux-friendly of course. But something who's programming language is similar would be helpful. Also, should be something free/opensource and well-documented. |
| 08:26.42 | tralala | I haven't measured it, but it's not directly comparable to vnc anyway. |
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| 08:27.12 | hyperstream | hmm |
| 08:27.16 | vett | hcy: python |
| 08:27.19 | hyperstream | i need to connect to a friends pc who is using vnc |
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| 08:27.20 | bibe | blacke : I recall downgrading is not recommended, probably it's not supported |
| 08:27.29 | ricky_clarkson | hcy: Pick one of Java, C, C++. |
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| 08:27.40 | Mortalman | hyperstream: What's the problem? |
| 08:27.41 | ricky_clarkson | hcy: Forget these dynamically-typed languages. |
| 08:27.43 | kenboo | Mortalman, i use vnc all the time. it's faster than X11. and programs continue to run even when the connection is lost |
| 08:28.15 | ricky_clarkson | kenboo: I use VNC because Cygwin's Xorg doesn't work with IBM Eclipse. |
| 08:28.16 | Mortalman | kenboo: I'm doing vnc now and it's fast, but have never messed with remote X apps soI thought I'd give it a shot. |
| 08:28.27 | blacke | bibe: maybe, but howcome i get the same error when using the cpp-3.3 from both stable and testing branch when trying to manully install with dpkg |
| 08:28.29 | hcy | ricky_clarkson: are C and C++ different languages? |
| 08:28.29 | hyperstream | i need a client that supports vnc |
| 08:28.35 | POVaddct | in /proc/ide/hdX/model, i get the model for a ide device. how would i find this information in sysfs? |
| 08:28.36 | ricky_clarkson | Is VNC faster than Windows' remote desktop? |
| 08:28.39 | ricky_clarkson | hyperstream: tightvnc |
| 08:28.46 | ricky_clarkson | hcy: Yes. |
| 08:28.49 | tralala | I'm running the win+cygwin+ssh+remote_x_apps setup. It's fine |
| 08:29.02 | hcy | ricky_clarkson: what's the diff? |
| 08:29.15 | Mortalman | hyperstream: Client for windows or linux? |
| 08:29.18 | ricky_clarkson | hcy: C++ is somewhat based on C, but with a hellovalot added for object orientation and other bumf. |
| 08:29.21 | tralala | + you don't need to bother configuring and running X on the remote box |
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| 08:29.47 | hcy | ricky_clarkson: can either of those make gui's with relative ease? |
| 08:29.52 | ricky_clarkson | hcy: Most people seem to want to use C or Java (or .NET), because C++ is too middle-of-the-road. |
| 08:30.00 | ricky_clarkson | hcy: Java is the easiest to make GUIs, of those. |
| 08:30.09 | hcy | ricky_clarkson: isn't java MS? |
| 08:30.13 | ricky_clarkson | Sun. |
| 08:30.15 | Mortalman | tralala: I didn't have to configure X on the remote host. vncserver starts up a virtual X. Graphics hardware isn't even initialized. |
| 08:30.59 | tralala | oh, right - I have forgotten that. It's been a while after I used vnc. |
| 08:31.40 | hyperstream | client for linux |
| 08:31.48 | ricky_clarkson | hyperstream: tightvnc |
| 08:31.48 | hyperstream | my friend is running a vnc server for me |
| 08:31.55 | hyperstream | thanks |
| 08:32.18 | ricky_clarkson | hcy: Java is gratis, but not libre. There are no complete libre versions of Java, but there are some pretty strong efforts - find out about kaffe, gcj and Apache Harmony. |
| 08:32.23 | Mortalman | I reccomend ultravnc |
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| 08:34.22 | Mortalman | I get -vnc4server: couldn't find "xauth" on your PATH.- when I do this --> |
| 08:34.22 | Mortalman | #!/bin/sh |
| 08:34.22 | Mortalman | PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/games; export PATH |
| 08:34.22 | Mortalman | vnc4server -geometry 1280x1024 |
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| 08:34.39 | Mortalman | That was supposed to be one line. heh |
| 08:34.58 | vett | i've trouble building libgtk from source, i mean, i create the .deb but when installed every gtk application segfault at start... i accept any suggestion |
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| 08:35.08 | Mortalman | Anyway. xauth IS in my path so I have no idea why this doesn't work. |
| 08:35.46 | Mortalman | vett: Why are you building it from source? |
| 08:35.46 | tralala | Mortalman: strace it |
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| 08:36.28 | tralala | vett: a suggestion - dont build |
| 08:37.03 | vett | tralala: it's so troublesome? |
| 08:37.18 | tralala | + pointless |
| 08:37.24 | kenboo | Mortalman, vnc4server is a perl script. the script try to find xauth at line 700 |
| 08:37.33 | tralala | at the end you are not going to do it better than the package maintainers |
| 08:37.36 | vett | tralala: i'm trying to pinpoint a bug |
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| 08:37.49 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | BTS: /msg dpkg bts | gcc/g++ 4.0 with new ABI in sid; beware breakage! | X.org is in sid | sid's libssl0.9.7 broken: /msg dpkg broken ssl | USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in |
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| 08:37.57 | Mortalman | kenboo: How would that help? |
| 08:38.03 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 08:38.05 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | BTS: /msg dpkg bts | gcc/g++ 4.0 with new ABI in sid; beware breakage! | X.org is in sid | sid's libssl0.9.7 broken: /msg dpkg broken ssl | USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main |
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| 08:38.13 | kenboo | well strace isn't right to debug a Perl script. |
| 08:38.18 | dondelelcaro | diff: klecker back, readded the missing main. |
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| 08:39.14 | Mortalman | kenboo: I'm not stracing a perl script. I'm stracing a shell script. lol |
| 08:39.20 | jm_ | kenboo: perl has similar mode as sh -x, then there's perl debugger |
| 08:41.05 | ricky_clarkson | !wayttd Mortalman |
| 08:41.06 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Mortalman? |
| 08:41.35 | umbop | hmm i've just downloaded, cupsys-bsd, cupsys, footmatic-db and cupsomatic-ppd, and i'm not able to connect to localhost on 631 |
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| 08:42.00 | jm_ | is anything listening there? |
| 08:42.06 | umbop | no |
| 08:42.10 | jm_ | make sure you don't use any proxies |
| 08:42.13 | umbop | i dont |
| 08:42.14 | Mortalman | ricky_clarkson: I have a shell script wich CRON runs to startup my vncserver, but it bitches about xauth not being in the path. |
| 08:42.14 | jm_ | so make it listen |
| 08:42.24 | douglas | i had problems with apting apache so i got the tar gz, now i want to uninstall that and start over .. how can i make this install disappear? help i'm scared |
| 08:42.24 | umbop | well i would but i dont know what daemon i need to start |
| 08:42.37 | ricky_clarkson | Mortalman: Have it echo $PATH early in the script. |
| 08:43.03 | jm_ | invoke-rc.d cupsys start |
| 08:43.07 | ricky_clarkson | Mortalman: Cronjobs tend to have a different PATH. |
| 08:43.14 | Mortalman | ricky_clarkson: I have it set that way now. It displays the same PATH I have in the shell. |
| 08:43.15 | vett | douglas: installed apache from source? you shuld probably "make uninstall" |
| 08:43.28 | ricky_clarkson | Mortalman: And is xauth in that PATH? |
| 08:43.33 | Mortalman | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 08:43.34 | umbop | thanks |
| 08:43.56 | jm_ | umbop: it should be started when you installed it, maybe there was some problem |
| 08:44.08 | umbop | yeh.. weird it's started now |
| 08:44.18 | douglas | vett: in the original untarred dir or the dir the executable is in? |
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| 08:44.40 | douglas | nevermind i'll try the first first |
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| 08:45.03 | vett | douglas: i think the untarred dir |
| 08:45.32 | Mortalman | ricky_clarkson: It's insane. vncserver works if I run it directly, but if called from the script it doesn't. |
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| 08:48.05 | umbop | hmm i'm unsure what device to select, but the printer is attached to our network, and i can ping it as it has an internal ip, however, i've no idea what method i would use to print to it under devices? |
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| 08:48.14 | umbop | internet printing protocol ? |
| 08:48.18 | douglas | vett: still there? |
| 08:48.19 | jm_ | umbop: what kind of printer is it? |
| 08:48.25 | umbop | hp laserjet |
| 08:48.29 | vett | douglas: yes |
| 08:48.31 | jm_ | please prefix lines for me with jm_ |
| 08:48.43 | umbop | jm_, ok |
| 08:48.49 | jm_ | umbop: with jetdirect? use socket |
| 08:49.26 | startxwhite | what is the pastebin for this chanel? |
| 08:49.35 | jm_ | umbop: socket://hostname:9100 |
| 08:49.39 | jm_ | startxwhite: /msg dpkg paste |
| 08:49.40 | tralala | !tell startxwhite -about paster |
| 08:49.52 | douglas | vett: i go in the original install dir, ./apache_1.3.33/, and i do make uninstall, then i get make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop. |
| 08:49.53 | jm_ | startxwhite: like the topic says |
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| 08:50.08 | umbop | jm_, thanks, let me try |
| 08:50.17 | ricky_clarkson | Mortalman: Is that tightvncserver, or some other vncserver? |
| 08:50.42 | Mortalman | ricky_clarkson: This one --> apt-get install vnc4server |
| 08:51.06 | douglas | vett: any suggestions? |
| 08:51.08 | ricky_clarkson | You could try tightvncserver, I suppose. ;) |
| 08:51.08 | vett | douglas: look in the Makefile if there's a rule about unininstall, other than that i don't know |
| 08:51.14 | douglas | ok |
| 08:51.55 | startxwhite | ok. but how do i search the paster archives for postings? |
| 08:52.09 | Mortalman | ricky_clarkson: I could hack the perl script too, but was hoping to figure out why this doesn't work. IT's annoying. |
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| 08:52.20 | douglas | damn, nothing.. oh well guess i'll have to work with this thing |
| 08:52.23 | ricky_clarkson | Mortalman: IT is annoying in general, yes. |
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| 08:52.38 | tralala | startxwhite: it's not meant to be search but rather to be used for pasting to the channel |
| 08:52.47 | tralala | searched |
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| 08:53.09 | vett | douglas: if you have used a prefix like "/usr/local/your_dir" for your install you can wipe it without problem, but if you installed with root in your filesystem is more tricky... |
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| 08:53.47 | startxwhite | i pasted somethin there a couple of days ago and now i want to retrieve it! |
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| 08:54.22 | douglas | well being a dumbass i did it as root so it's got itself embedded in my system, this doesn't look like an rm job |
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| 08:54.54 | Mortalman_ | That was weird. |
| 08:55.13 | ArtVandalae | Hello. I have a network with two or three people listening to the same Internet radio station at one time. Is there a way I can cache at a gateway, and then have those 3 people listen to the one broadcast from the gateway PC? |
| 08:56.43 | tralala | ArtVandalae: netcat? |
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| 08:57.51 | fatal_ | ArtVandalae: multicasting was supposed to solve problems like that... but it's not usable in the real world.... |
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| 09:00.10 | Mortalman | mirc really needs to keep logs in the window like gaim does. |
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| 09:01.03 | ArtVandalae | Mortalman, give hydraIRC a shot, it's an opensource IRC client for Windows, it's still in development but it works nicely |
| 09:01.13 | Mortalman | hmm |
| 09:01.21 | Mortalman | I'll look into it. |
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| 09:03.52 | concept10 | I am trying to get NFS working, im trying to mount a directory on my sarge server, but I think my client isnt setup right. I used this: sudo mount 192.168.2.31:/mnt/jukebox /media/nfs/ and got this: mount: RPC: Program not registered |
| 09:04.12 | concept10 | how do I properly start the rpc client or service |
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| 09:04.46 | jethro | hello |
| 09:05.25 | Mortalman | kenboo: vncserver is a perl script wich runs Xvnc. Any idea how I might find out what options it is passing to Xvnc? |
| 09:05.52 | jethro | utsl |
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| 09:06.12 | tralala | concept10: check if you have portmap running |
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| 09:06.40 | Mortalman | kenboo: nevermind |
| 09:07.07 | concept10 | tralala, yep its running. |
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| 09:08.11 | umbop | jm_, hmm ok i've got it working now, and it printed the test page. However, if i use software, and go to print, it is wanting to print to /usr/bin/lp, what is the printer daemon i would send to? |
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| 09:09.04 | nomad_cz | Hi. Anyone using firehol ? |
| 09:09.09 | jm_ | umbop: /usr/bin/lp is OK for CUPS |
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| 09:09.35 | umbop | hmm well i printed to there, and i went to jobs, and there was nothing there |
| 09:09.49 | umbop | jm_, and i went to prevoius jobs, and there was only the test page listed |
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| 09:10.48 | tralala | concept10: dunno then |
| 09:10.50 | jm_ | umbop: use it from command line, see if it works |
| 09:11.03 | vett | umbop: or look in /var/log/cups for hints |
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| 09:11.59 | umbop | the only thing in there was the test page that i printed from the web interface |
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| 09:14.16 | umbop | lp: error - scheduler not responding! |
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| 09:14.28 | jm_ | something's majorly fucked up ;) |
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| 09:14.42 | jm_ | did you check error_log? |
| 09:14.52 | umbop | jm_, eh, how crap! i've only just configured / installed |
| 09:15.26 | jm_ | umbop: it's working great for me for years with HP printers, and now with Samsung |
| 09:15.29 | umbop | jm_, well in /var/log/cups/error_log there's nothing in there but jobs.cgi requests |
| 09:15.54 | jm_ | umbop: are you using Sarge? |
| 09:16.00 | umbop | jm_, yes |
| 09:16.06 | jm_ | umbop: same here |
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| 09:16.49 | umbop | jm_, it's weird, because i can print the test page out |
| 09:16.50 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'm gonna get a new laptop (thinkpad), and I wanted to know if some people here managed to get a refund of windoze, which of course comes preinstalled, and which will of course be wiped directly. |
| 09:17.16 | jm_ | umbop: indeed, try playing with some lp options |
| 09:17.31 | umbop | jm_, do you have a simple example |
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| 09:17.47 | jm_ | umbop: well -d and -h options look handy, then there's strace |
| 09:18.21 | kenboo | lord_rob, i searched for the same topic the other day. some people managed to get refund. that was not thinkpad tho. it seems about $100 |
| 09:19.02 | lord_rob | kenboo: interesting |
| 09:19.15 | kenboo | they all went thru hassle :( |
| 09:20.20 | lord_rob | I imagine, what a shame to have to pay $100 tax for a new laptop |
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| 09:29.18 | yang | are there any infos how to enable wheel mouse in mozilla ? |
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| 09:30.27 | vett | yang: if you add it in your X conf, should works out of the box |
| 09:30.54 | yang | vett: which section have you added? |
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| 09:31.22 | Koji-sama | would it be a good idea to include contrib and non-us into my sources.list |
| 09:31.39 | liable | !topicsmite Koji-sama |
| 09:31.40 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Koji-sama. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 09:31.44 | skate | yang. you need to add one or two lines under your mouse section, depending on what kind of mouse it is |
| 09:31.59 | vett | yang: in your InputDevice, Identifier "Configured Mouse", your should have somethin like: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 09:32.01 | douglas | un/reinstalled apache, now everything in /var/www gives Forbidden errors ... chmods are fine, did i miss something in the conf? |
| 09:32.11 | skate | Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" or something to that effect |
| 09:32.14 | skate | google it |
| 09:32.16 | douglas | vett: used apt this time |
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| 09:32.46 | yang | vett: go to #flood please, i ll paste my mouse lines |
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| 09:33.13 | lord_rob | yang: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg if using sid) |
| 09:33.31 | yang | skate: i have that option enabled... |
| 09:33.37 | liable | and if you are using sid, and cant work that out.. |
| 09:33.40 | skate | he doesn't need to reconfigure xfree86 just to add two lines to XF86Config-4 |
| 09:33.52 | skate | yang what kind of mouse is it for one |
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| 09:34.02 | lord_rob | skate: there's a menu for that |
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| 09:34.09 | liable | which camn be donr with dpkg.. |
| 09:34.23 | skate | a menu for what? |
| 09:34.35 | lord_rob | configure x properly |
| 09:34.40 | skate | you don't need to reconfigure the entire package when you can open the file with an editor and add two lines. |
| 09:34.46 | skate | uh, i know that |
| 09:34.50 | jethro | wenas! who stole my kde menus in sid kthx?!! |
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| 09:34.59 | yang | skate: /dev/psaux PS/2 |
| 09:35.03 | liable | wow, 6 words, two typo's.. |
| 09:35.03 | vett | douglas: to me seems a permission problem, look in /var/log/apache for errors |
| 09:35.13 | douglas | ok |
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| 09:35.35 | skate | yang. you need to add two options to enable scroll, although i don't know why that didn't get picked up when you first configured X |
| 09:35.37 | vett | yang: mmh. PS/2 don't think is the correct one |
| 09:35.49 | skate | Option "Buttons" "5" |
| 09:36.01 | skate | Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
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| 09:36.35 | douglas | vett: here's one line... [Thu Aug 25 05:31:26 2005] [error] [client 213.42.2.22] (13)Permission denied: access to /gallery2/ failed because search permissions are missing on a component of the path |
| 09:36.35 | yang | but what else should i choose if i have ps2 mouse? |
| 09:36.35 | vett | yang: should try with "ImPS/2" or "intellimouse" |
| 09:36.41 | yang | ok |
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| 09:37.18 | vett | douglas: look the permission of the gallery2 dir |
| 09:37.28 | vett | douglas: x permission |
| 09:38.06 | hyperstream | where can i get java2-runtime |
| 09:38.11 | jonaskoelker | question: in synaptic, evolution shows up as pinned; I want to unpin it; all google/manual searches point to /etc/apt/preferences, but it's empty. |
| 09:38.25 | liable | um, yes, ps2 is right.. |
| 09:38.28 | vett | douglas: i mean, you should have something like "drwxr-xr-x" |
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| 09:38.35 | jonaskoelker | .. when I deselect `Lock version' in synaptic, close it, then reopen it, it's still pinned |
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| 09:38.45 | yang | skate: then i get the option "emulate 3 button mouse", but i only have 2 buttons and wheel |
| 09:38.45 | vett | hyperstream: topic |
| 09:38.47 | jonaskoelker | how do I unpin it? (note: it's not installed, if that matters) |
| 09:39.06 | vett | yang: it's ok, answer no to that question |
| 09:39.06 | sciboy | How do i set the ownership of a folder to all normal users? |
| 09:39.06 | douglas | vett: -rw-r--r-- 1 douglas douglas 14662 2005-08-22 23:48 main.php ... should i uoga+rwx ?? |
| 09:39.09 | skate | yang. the whole point of emulating 3 buttons is for people who only have two. |
| 09:39.11 | sciboy | Is there a group for that? |
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| 09:39.17 | sep | using sarge, is is possible to store postfix+mysql virtual users's passwords encrypted in the database, using auxprop method, eveything i can find in google talks about needing patches. and the doc's in /usr/share/doc don't mention the password_type: crypt |
| 09:39.19 | vett | douglas: a+x |
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| 09:39.23 | liable | !permissions |
| 09:39.23 | dpkg | it has been said that permissions is multiple acts of permitting |
| 09:39.23 | skate | vett. you want "yes" |
| 09:39.29 | liable | meh |
| 09:39.35 | vett | skate: nope |
| 09:39.40 | skate | unless you don't like copying and pasting with your mouse |
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| 09:39.44 | skate | heh whatever, dude |
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| 09:39.47 | hyperstream | vett, which part? |
| 09:39.51 | yang | ah now i got this Enable scroll events from mouse wheel? , hope it works |
| 09:39.53 | hyperstream | FAQ? |
| 09:39.56 | skate | yang. you want to emulate 3 buttons, trust me |
| 09:40.01 | vett | skate: the whell is the 3rd button |
| 09:40.27 | douglas | vett: no improvement |
| 09:40.30 | skate | vett. the third button is either pressing the scroll in, or pressing both right and left mouse button at same time |
| 09:40.36 | skate | hence the term "emulate" 3 buttons. |
| 09:40.39 | hyperstream | never mind |
| 09:40.39 | igge | anyone who knows of a reliable source to find the current market share of linux vs. windows and other oses? |
| 09:40.40 | yang | so, now X needs to bne restarted? |
| 09:40.56 | douglas | vett: some things are owned/grouped by root, www-data and a non root shell, but they should be visible |
| 09:41.06 | liable | and in future it wont work either... |
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| 09:41.17 | igge | like http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp but I would want more sources.. |
| 09:41.22 | vett | skate: i prefer pressing the whell |
| 09:41.24 | douglas | i didn't change this stuff since i uninstalled apache with apt to put one in and remove it with the source and now back to apt install |
| 09:41.27 | jonaskoelker | ... could anyone at least provide me with some diagnostics to run to see what I broke? |
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| 09:41.49 | tralala | vett: it's *wheel* |
| 09:41.59 | liable | jonaskoelker: however you did it, in the menu's, undo it.. |
| 09:41.59 | skate | well whatever, you don't need to answer no to that question, and telling people to answer "no" is limiting how they can use their input device. |
| 09:42.04 | Atula | when I do an update, the following packages have been kept back: alsa-base, also-utils, console-common cpp g++ gcc zsnes.... what's the deal with that? |
| 09:42.06 | vett | douglas: the dir missed the "x" |
| 09:42.10 | vett | tralala: thanks |
| 09:42.20 | jonaskoelker | liable: err... it's been ages since I pinned it. |
| 09:42.35 | jonaskoelker | liable: i.e. it's not in synaptic's undo history (afaik) |
| 09:42.47 | douglas | vett: just did chmod -R a+x * in /var/www |
| 09:42.53 | liable | jonaskoelker: err, well, theres gotta be an option in there somewhere.., man synaptic. :) |
| 09:42.55 | yang | well, I restarted X and I still get no scrolling in mozilla :( |
| 09:42.58 | douglas | no change |
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| 09:43.14 | douglas | apache's acting the fool |
| 09:43.20 | jonaskoelker | liable: .. it keeps an undo history of all actions since I installed it??? |
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| 09:43.49 | vett | douglas: a little extreme, only the dir needed the x permission |
| 09:43.52 | hyperstream | azureus: Depends: sun-j2sdk1.5 but it is not installable or java2-runtime but it is not installable |
| 09:43.53 | jonaskoelker | liable: like I said, just deselecting `lock version' doesn't work... |
| 09:43.54 | Atula | why are packages being kept back when I update? |
| 09:43.56 | liable | jonaskoelker: no idea, but if you can do it, then you must be able to undo it, sorry, I dont use it. |
| 09:43.56 | hyperstream | hmm |
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| 09:44.03 | umbop | hmm i really don't understand how i am suppose to print using say adobe reader, i tried printing to lp but it didn't do anything, |
| 09:44.09 | douglas | vett: i'm going insane ... seriously, too much serotonin coming in |
| 09:44.12 | hyperstream | vett: i installed the java-package |
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| 09:44.15 | douglas | got to try something :) |
| 09:44.19 | jonaskoelker | liable: alright--thanks for trying :-) |
| 09:44.20 | hyperstream | but no result |
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| 09:45.02 | jonaskoelker | liable: besides, I've done *tons* of stuff since pinning it, so it'd take forever--even stipulating that it keeps an undo log of what I did the previous 6326 times I ran it.. |
| 09:45.06 | douglas | i can't believe this, i get gallery2 working perfectly after a small snafu, then i somehow screwed up apache five hours ago... argh. |
| 09:45.08 | liable | hyperstream: /msg dpkg java, then all the other factoids it tells you it has about java.. |
| 09:45.30 | cbr | does a debian package need a Makefile? |
| 09:45.41 | cbr | or can the files in debian/ be tuned? |
| 09:45.49 | vett | !tell hyperstream about java-package |
| 09:45.51 | jethro | !nmg |
| 09:45.55 | dpkg | methinks nmg is see dnm |
| 09:46.03 | Atula | when I do an update, the following packages have been kept back: alsa-base, also-utils, console-common cpp g++ gcc zsnes.... is that okay, or is something going wrong with my system? |
| 09:46.06 | jethro | !tell cbr -about dnm |
| 09:46.09 | douglas | vett: could this have something to do with debian being confused from the old source installed apache? |
| 09:46.17 | liable | jonaskoelker: wow, you must have googled hard for this one... http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=synaptic+pinning&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
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| 09:46.38 | liable | jonaskoelker: note, the first hit... |
| 09:46.41 | vett | douglas: did you have removed your install from source? |
| 09:47.17 | hyperstream | vett, i have java-package as dpkg sez to apt-get install |
| 09:47.22 | douglas | vett: could not come up with anything insofar as making, went into #apache, they said rm the dir and relax |
| 09:47.42 | liable | hyperstream: well, read the other factoids it says it has.. |
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| 09:48.20 | hyperstream | ahh free-java-sdk |
| 09:48.22 | hyperstream | :P thanks |
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| 09:48.34 | douglas | vett: in the mood for a look-see? :) |
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| 09:48.56 | douglas | i'm about to reinstall debian .. just need a case of eyedrops :) |
| 09:49.22 | vett | douglas: because apache seems not working? |
| 09:49.40 | douglas | i'm just being histrionic, not downloading the iso's yet |
| 09:49.41 | jonaskoelker | liable: I see him asking the same question as me, but there's no follow-up. |
| 09:49.48 | jonaskoelker | liable: but thanks for googling for me :) |
| 09:49.49 | jonaskoelker | !beer liable |
| 09:50.23 | douglas | man it is depressing to see the error log just going crazy with disappointed IPs |
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| 09:50.36 | jethro | disappointed IPs ? |
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| 09:50.42 | jonaskoelker | liable: (no follow-up, or I'm too stupid to find it) |
| 09:50.48 | douglas | people trying to get into my site but can't because i F'ed up apache |
| 09:50.53 | douglas | they need their skin fix |
| 09:51.05 | vett | hyperstream: you can use java-package to install the non free SDK/JRE |
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| 09:51.24 | cbr | jethro: what if the package is already a binary and only has an installscript? |
| 09:51.45 | yang | Do I have to exit WindowManager or is it enough to restart X in it, to take effect of scroll mouse? |
| 09:51.55 | douglas | vett: a reboot, perhaps? |
| 09:52.23 | liable | jonaskoelker: well, apart from reading the man page, I would delve into its configs, (prolly in /var/lib/synaptic, and see what you can see, also check bts. |
| 09:52.24 | douglas | it would kill my uptime ego but i feel like i'm running out of options |
| 09:52.28 | hyperstream | i can |
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| 09:52.32 | jethro | cbr: did you read the dnm factoid? |
| 09:52.33 | vett | douglas: nah, restart apache and look at the logs |
| 09:52.37 | yaarg | yang: restart x server |
| 09:52.51 | jonaskoelker | !wtf bts |
| 09:52.52 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 09:53.01 | liable | !bts |
| 09:53.01 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 09:53.25 | jethro | dpkg -i bsdgames |
| 09:53.30 | yang | yaarg: there is option "restart" in my window manager, it closes windows and opens them again... |
| 09:53.35 | cbr | jethro: i'm on it but it has quite a lot of info :p |
| 09:53.36 | jethro | dpkg: YOU need the bsdgames package, not me |
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| 09:53.51 | jonaskoelker | liable: ahhh /var/lib/synaptic/preferences .. there it is; thanks, man :-) |
| 09:53.54 | jonaskoelker | !beer liable |
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| 09:54.07 | yaarg | !beer yaarg |
| 09:54.12 | jethro | cbr: it's always good to read, and not bother people with questions you can answer by yourself |
| 09:54.25 | jonaskoelker | !beer dpkg |
| 09:54.30 | jethro | jonaskoelker: enough |
| 09:54.31 | yaarg | oh your shouldn't have |
| 09:54.36 | jonaskoelker | okay |
| 09:54.42 | systray` | lol |
| 09:54.45 | vett | yang: restarting WM != restarting X |
| 09:55.01 | yang | vett: well my scroll mouse isnt working... |
| 09:55.20 | yang | vett: the only thing is, i can paste things when i press on wheel |
| 09:55.37 | douglas | hey vett, might be getting warmer |
| 09:55.39 | vett | yang: mouse model? |
| 09:55.39 | douglas | [Thu Aug 25 05:54:58 2005] [crit] (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to port 80 |
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| 09:55.51 | douglas | got that both on stop and start |
| 09:55.55 | systray` | douglas: another apache runnings ? |
| 09:55.56 | yang | vett: cordless mouse wheel from logitech |
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| 09:56.09 | wombachi | If I ssh from a utf-8 xterm, I got a latin-1 xterm on remote srv. How can I get an utf-8 term on remote box? |
| 09:56.10 | douglas | systray`: well that must be the case |
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| 09:56.24 | douglas | thought i killalled rambo style |
| 09:56.28 | vett | douglas: you probably have two instances of apache running |
| 09:56.38 | yaarg | yang: have you edited your XF86Config-4? |
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| 09:56.53 | yang | yaarg: yes, dpkg-reconfigure and choosed different settings |
| 09:57.10 | yaarg | yang: okay... so restart X |
| 09:57.10 | vett | yang: ok, but the change is in the config? |
| 09:57.28 | yang | vett: join #flood i ll paste my mouse lines |
| 09:57.49 | douglas | killed everything httpd or apache, port 80 is definitely closed, going to restart |
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| 09:57.58 | vett | yang: paste |
| 09:58.01 | douglas | still tailing the error log |
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| 09:58.23 | sep | douglas, netstat -plont |
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| 09:58.43 | dozen | hi |
| 09:58.44 | vett | yang: are you sure about "NetMousePS/2" protocol? |
| 09:58.53 | yang | no |
| 09:59.06 | dozen | in sarge is there any rescue start boot? |
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| 09:59.33 | wombachi | dozen there are, on install cds |
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| 09:59.52 | dozen | wombachi ive tried with cd 1 |
| 09:59.52 | ralf | dozen: use a live cd, like knoppix |
| 09:59.59 | dozen | really? |
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| 10:00.24 | sep | dozen, you have to do the rescuing manualy, there is no 'redhatish' rescue boot, that mount your harddrive for you, it's left as a excerise |
| 10:00.27 | wombachi | dozen live cd's are really great for that kind of task |
| 10:00.35 | yang | vett: skate said before i should choose something else than PS/2 |
| 10:00.41 | douglas | vett: on restart, got this: [Thu Aug 25 05:58:21 2005] [notice] Accept mutex: sysvsem (Default: sysvsem) |
| 10:00.41 | douglas | [Thu Aug 25 05:58:23 2005] [error] [client 68.186.93.9] (13)Permission denied: access to /albums/album05/aaf.jpg failed because search permissions are missing on a component of the path |
| 10:00.47 | vett | yang: i should try with "ImPS/2" or "intellimouse" |
| 10:00.49 | dozen | ralf but in woody there was |
| 10:01.09 | yang | vett: i had IMPS/2 but still didnt work, and there is no intellimouse setting |
| 10:01.12 | ralf | dozen: use knoppix and don't bother |
| 10:01.17 | douglas | but still can't access / either |
| 10:01.39 | vett | douglas: same as before, check the path, the dir need "x" permission (access) |
| 10:01.42 | douglas | vett: you're juggling quite a lot at the same time, much appreciated |
| 10:01.42 | monster | <yang>: please repeat the problem I wasnt on the channel |
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| 10:03.11 | vett | yang: sorry, there's a "microsoft" protocol in the options? |
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| 10:03.32 | hound | How can I read emails exim4 has frozen if I know the message id |
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| 10:05.09 | kombi | or better: why does mail append .dat to the names of attached files? |
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| 10:05.46 | yang | monster: which problem? |
| 10:05.54 | monster | with mouse |
| 10:06.11 | yang | monster: i cant get mouse wheel to work |
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| 10:07.16 | douglas | vett: every dir straight back to the bottom is a+x, everything is pretty much the same as before in the doc root when it worked |
| 10:07.29 | douglas | i'm smelling a reboot becoming in order |
| 10:07.46 | liable | !reboot |
| 10:07.47 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 10:08.02 | liable | !qotd2 |
| 10:08.03 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 10:08.12 | douglas | sigh you're right |
| 10:08.19 | monster | yang : Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" doesnt' work? |
| 10:08.25 | yang | monster: no |
| 10:08.43 | vett | monster: he need to choose the right protocol |
| 10:08.50 | skate | monster. he has the correct options for the input device, he is most likely choosing the wrong protocol |
| 10:09.03 | skate | douglas why are you rebooting? |
| 10:09.09 | skate | sorry, i just got back |
| 10:09.16 | douglas | i'm not! be cool everybody nobody's rebooting nothin |
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| 10:09.23 | kombi | how do you send attachments from command line? |
| 10:09.25 | skate | calm down, little one |
| 10:09.28 | skate | just asking a question |
| 10:09.47 | yang | vett: did you read #flod |
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| 10:09.54 | douglas | skate ... i really need .. a shoulder to lean on and give root to to fix this for me :) |
| 10:10.05 | jm_ | kombi: mutt or use other tools (i.e. mpack) |
| 10:10.05 | jethro | !lart douglas |
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| 10:10.14 | skate | yang. (1) what kind of mouse are you using (2) what are you choosing for mouse protocol |
| 10:10.21 | fatal_ | kombi: use mutt with -x and -a .... |
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| 10:10.44 | monster | yang : try http://www.linuxnetmag.com/en/issue5/m5mouse1.html |
| 10:10.47 | douglas | vett: btw, i appreciate you holding out this long in helping me |
| 10:11.02 | yang | skate: I am using logitech cordless wheel mouse; I was choosing ImPS/2 |
| 10:11.34 | liable | douglas: um, is gallery a dir? |
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| 10:11.49 | skate | yang. and your mouse is definitely ps/2 and not usb, correct? |
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| 10:11.53 | yang | skate: its the same mouse as here on the pic. http://www.linuxnetmag.com/en/issue5/m5mouse1.html |
| 10:12.02 | douglas | gallery/gallery2 is a big web gallery management setup |
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| 10:12.29 | yang | skate: no, my mouse is USB, but i have a plug to plug it into PS/2 |
| 10:12.48 | skate | (that's ps/2) |
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| 10:15.39 | skate | yang. that url you pasted tells you exactly what add for Options under your mouse section |
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| 10:16.04 | skate | except for /dev/mouse, you might want to change that to /dev/psaux |
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| 10:17.25 | yang | skate: argh, i just noticed into XFconfig-4 that i have 2 mouse sections....how come dpkg-reconfigure wrote that wrongly |
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| 10:18.09 | skate | are both sections uncommented? |
| 10:18.26 | skate | it they are, there is your problem |
| 10:18.28 | zimnyx | i'm looking for dd that will skip I/O errors, there is such, but forgot the name |
| 10:19.09 | douglas | hey vett, i got it working, almost |
| 10:19.24 | douglas | just installed it without adding any modules |
| 10:19.24 | resiak | zimnyx: ddrescue or something like that? |
| 10:19.25 | zimnyx | conv=noerror ? |
| 10:19.32 | zimnyx | resiak: yep, thanks! |
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| 10:19.49 | systray` | its possible to add hard disc drivers on hddtemp ? |
| 10:19.55 | resiak | zimnyx: But also conv=noerror :) |
| 10:19.58 | douglas | except now browsers don't know how to handle an index.php file, suggesting to download it .. |
| 10:20.16 | douglas | *so* close here |
| 10:20.27 | systray` | douglas: browsers? php? |
| 10:20.31 | yang | skate: I wrote just what it says on that website and restarted, and doesnt work. I give up! |
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| 10:20.44 | douglas | systray`: can i pls msg you the url |
| 10:20.52 | systray` | yea |
| 10:21.05 | systray` | but, nothing of all browsers supports php, php is serverside |
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| 10:21.25 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 10:21.29 | yang | skate: what if i have to do something inside mozilla, to get that effect? |
| 10:21.29 | amorphix | what is unstable called now? |
| 10:21.39 | systray` | yes, douglas: your php does not works |
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| 10:21.45 | tralala | amorphix: unstable is always sid |
| 10:21.47 | liable | same as it always has, and will be.. |
| 10:21.52 | antgel | amorphix: www.debian.org/releases |
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| 10:22.11 | amorphix | okay thanks |
| 10:22.25 | amorphix | so where/when are new names assigned, only on stable? |
| 10:22.32 | douglas | systray`: i'll try to figure this out .. but could you point me in the right direction? the php was working earlier this evening before i snafued apache, so it's gotta be .. OH the 16MB ram thing?? |
| 10:22.46 | liable | !tell amorphix about releases |
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| 10:23.05 | douglas | some php connection in an apache module or conf file? |
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| 10:23.23 | systray` | mod_libphp4 ? |
| 10:23.43 | systray` | over aptitude |
| 10:24.15 | oes | How can I find out witch version of xfree I have ??? |
| 10:24.16 | systray` | douglas: what u means with 16mb of ram? |
| 10:24.30 | douglas | libapache-mod-php4? |
| 10:24.35 | systray` | yea |
| 10:24.35 | liable | oes: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:24.36 | systray` | sry |
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| 10:25.11 | douglas | i'm removing it first (it's here) then put it back, hoping it will make friends with the new apache, right |
| 10:25.27 | zimnyx | are there others GUI than default for mplayer? |
| 10:25.39 | liable | skins? |
| 10:25.43 | liable | yes.. |
| 10:25.44 | zimnyx | no |
| 10:25.47 | zimnyx | GUIs |
| 10:25.59 | systray` | GUIs ? |
| 10:26.01 | liable | erm.. |
| 10:26.08 | systray` | what u means about that? |
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| 10:27.41 | Paranoid^ | any one here there have tryede to sync an windows smartphone on debian... |
| 10:27.43 | skate | weeee |
| 10:28.00 | jethro | !sing sunday |
| 10:28.01 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 10:28.03 | sep | using sarge, is is possible to store postfix+mysql virtual users's passwords encrypted in the database, using auxprop method, eveything i can find in google talks about needing patches. and the doc's in /usr/share/doc don't mention the password_type: crypt |
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| 10:28.24 | systray` | !sing all to blame |
| 10:28.27 | systray` | lol |
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| 10:30.20 | tralala | !lol |
| 10:30.21 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
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| 10:34.16 | Morti | What is the Jesus lol thing about anyway? |
| 10:34.29 | douglas | systray`: the libphp4.so's in with the other .so's, added the loadmodule line in modules.conf, restarted, .. nothing |
| 10:34.29 | yang | My dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesnt write new settings into /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 10:34.41 | sep | !xmd5 |
| 10:34.41 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 10:34.53 | yang | shit |
| 10:35.29 | sep | yang, and it also say the same in the head of the config file you manualy edited |
| 10:36.12 | douglas | systray`: firefox on loading the / says you have chosen to open [blank] which is a PHTML file .. open with/save/yada? ... |
| 10:36.38 | lilgg | hello. i installed tcl and tk (i guess) but when i ./configure the eggdrop. i get an error that there is no tcl.. |
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| 10:37.01 | yaboo | anyone running horde via packages under debian |
| 10:37.09 | yang | lilgg: then you need a tcl package |
| 10:37.18 | lilgg | yang i installed it.. |
| 10:37.29 | vett | douglas: "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml" in your httpd.conf |
| 10:37.37 | douglas | ok |
| 10:37.43 | lilgg | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 10:37.43 | lilgg | tcl8.4 is already the newest version. |
| 10:37.52 | yang | lilgg: tcl libs too, install also tcllib-dev |
| 10:38.08 | vett | douglas: probably you should find the line commented, if not add |
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| 10:38.31 | vett | douglas: and reload apache |
| 10:38.39 | sn00p_ | Has anybody ever used vmware on debian? |
| 10:39.03 | Paranoid^ | sn00p_ i am using it right now... |
| 10:39.03 | vett | sn00p_: better if you ask your problem |
| 10:39.13 | skate | yang. there is another method of reconfiguring xfree86 that you can try, and it _should_ write to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 10:39.57 | borco | hi |
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| 10:40.40 | lilgg | thx yang |
| 10:40.53 | maelcum | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.11 | borco | in my gnome menu, may programs from the Applications/Debian are doubled (they appear twice). any idea how this happened and what should I do? |
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| 10:41.19 | maelcum | oops wrong window, hi all anyways :) |
| 10:41.23 | tezra | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:42.24 | penny | tezra, you must have a rs/6000 at first |
| 10:42.32 | secher | Umm.. slightly OT. I've never played freeciv before, and I can't seem to be able to figure out how to attack a city with my military units.. I hit the key to move them onto the enemy city square, and the unit remains stationary. I can move it away from the city, and I understand about zones of control, but I don't know what I'm doing wrong. |
| 10:42.38 | douglas | YAY BOO yah it WORKS |
| 10:42.45 | sep | sn00p_, ofcouse someone have used vmware on debian |
| 10:42.52 | sep | !anyone |
| 10:42.52 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 10:42.53 | douglas | oh man |
| 10:43.08 | douglas | vett:, systray`: ... anyone else.. oh man i am so happy |
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| 10:43.12 | secher | s/can't/don't/ |
| 10:43.13 | tezra | penny, I do |
| 10:43.28 | tezra | penny, now.. anyone has been able to? |
| 10:43.36 | douglas | thank you so so much |
| 10:43.43 | douglas | oh beautiful |
| 10:43.47 | penny | tezra, I can not image that how to put it in my room |
| 10:43.52 | sep | !ask |
| 10:43.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask a question, or ask if people use something. Your question is being answered by a volunteer; make it easy for volunteers to give you an answer. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 10:44.15 | sep | note especialy the the bit about dont ask if anyone use x |
| 10:44.15 | yang | skate: vett , The whole point was, that when I did restart in my WM it didnt really restart the settings, then i exited to console and startx , now mouse works:) |
| 10:44.42 | skate | yang. you have to restart the x server whenever you make a change in that file |
| 10:44.44 | tezra | penny, Im asking a serious question.. answer if you know or dont annoy me with your smart butt comments, thank you |
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| 10:45.06 | penny | tezra, sorry ^_^ |
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| 10:45.47 | sep | !poll |
| 10:45.47 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 10:46.01 | tezra | penny, no problem man, just that i need this machine installed and Im having headaches with it |
| 10:46.07 | pngwn | lastlog tezra |
| 10:46.07 | lord_rob | hmmm, ooo2 in debian/experimental looks very great at first glance |
| 10:46.08 | Dewi | !bad polls |
| 10:46.08 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! |
| 10:46.10 | yang | skate: mybe it didnt take any effect, becouse i am logged into as user, and i didnt have permission to restart X from WM |
| 10:46.10 | tezra | good old x86 platform |
| 10:46.30 | tezra | pngwn, excuse me? |
| 10:46.31 | penny | tezra, ooh that's bad |
| 10:46.54 | penny | tezra, (you are fired! hehe) |
| 10:47.06 | tezra | lol |
| 10:47.09 | tezra | no im not |
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| 10:47.14 | Dewi | !lol |
| 10:47.14 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a knoppix user. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
| 10:47.17 | pngwn | tezra, I was doing a /lastlog to see your question...but for got the / |
| 10:47.18 | tezra | noone has been able to around either |
| 10:47.33 | pngwn | s/got/forgot |
| 10:47.39 | tezra | pngwn,ahh :) |
| 10:47.46 | Dewi | dpkg: I love you. |
| 10:47.47 | dpkg | I love you too, dewi. |
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| 10:47.55 | skate | whoa |
| 10:48.09 | Dewi | skate: I am so in |
| 10:48.14 | skate | looks like it |
| 10:48.29 | penny | ? |
| 10:48.44 | oes | need help on updating kernel |
| 10:48.51 | penny | love is cheap |
| 10:49.09 | oes | I need to upgrade to 2.6, but the APG site cant find any kernel images |
| 10:49.12 | skate | <penny> love is cheap <- that's pretty ironic, coming from someone named "penny" |
| 10:49.29 | penny | comon |
| 10:49.44 | PerfDave | oes: "APG site"? Are you running Debian? |
| 10:50.18 | Dewi | PerfDave: oh, hello. finally got testing up and running. all good so far - the desktop experience is smoother than I expected |
| 10:50.25 | Dewi | PerfDave: so thanks for all your help |
| 10:50.25 | oes | PerfDave: sorry, I meant APT. |
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| 10:50.38 | sep | tezra, you know if you actualy stated your problem, instead of asking if anyone happen to have success with your exact model computer, you might just run into someone that could help you. |
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| 10:50.50 | penny | it's ridiculous,is it? |
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| 10:51.59 | PerfDave | oes: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 10:52.02 | oes | with apt-cache search kernel-image I only find this one : kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 10:52.25 | oes | PerfDave: cant find 2.6 |
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| 10:52.38 | Dewi | oes: what version of debian are you running? |
| 10:52.38 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 10:52.41 | sep | oes, do rm /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-setup && apt-get update && apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 10:52.53 | amorphix | im getting mysql_connect function error (no such) in Debian Sarge |
| 10:53.03 | tezra | well.. I am trying to install Debian 3.1 (powerpc) on a RS/6000 machine.. anyone has installed on such kind of box? |
| 10:53.04 | amorphix | anyone know why? |
| 10:53.14 | vett | oes: and if you search linux-image? |
| 10:53.16 | amorphix | (in phpmysqladmin) |
| 10:53.18 | liable | tezra: try #debian-ppc |
| 10:53.19 | tezra | the debian cd wont boot and the os is not possible to install |
| 10:53.20 | sep | amorphix, when you try to do what ? |
| 10:53.23 | penny | I usually don't care what version is |
| 10:53.30 | SimonRaven | s/-// |
| 10:53.41 | liable | oh.. |
| 10:53.52 | skate | i believe the 2.6 kernels have been named "kernel-image" |
| 10:54.03 | tezra | great |
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| 10:54.04 | tezra | thx |
| 10:54.06 | liable | no, only 2.6.11+ |
| 10:54.08 | tezra | didnt know that channel existed |
| 10:54.11 | RichiH | not any more |
| 10:54.13 | skate | ah |
| 10:54.16 | RichiH | now, they are linux-kernel |
| 10:54.19 | penny | 2.6.13 now |
| 10:54.22 | liable | all? |
| 10:54.28 | RichiH | liable: only the new ones |
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| 10:54.44 | minra_wr0k | how do i see which installed packages are largest? |
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| 10:55.07 | RichiH | liable: not sure if that has propagated into testing, yet |
| 10:55.12 | RichiH | liable: but i think so |
| 10:55.23 | RichiH | skate: i think that has a vuln |
| 10:55.39 | liable | RichiH: yeah, just thought it was only more then 2.6.11, or there abouts. |
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| 10:56.02 | skate | oh yeah? |
| 10:56.09 | liable | s/then/than.. |
| 10:56.11 | RichiH | oh, /me got it wrong |
| 10:56.13 | RichiH | linux-image |
| 10:56.16 | RichiH | that's the new name |
| 10:56.16 | skate | and it hasn't been patched? |
| 10:56.22 | liable | yes |
| 10:56.25 | jethro | skate: you don't patch the iso |
| 10:56.30 | liable | it has, still debian. |
| 10:56.32 | PerfDave | sep: I really wouldn't advise sep to issue a command that starts with "rm /etc/apt/sources.list" if he might be running a version of Debian which doesn't have apt-setup ;) |
| 10:56.36 | skate | err? |
| 10:56.36 | RichiH | skate: if you have security upgrades, you should be ok |
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| 10:56.42 | skate | that's what i meant ;p |
| 10:56.49 | oes | PerfDave: I have apt setup, luckily =) |
| 10:56.49 | sep | PerfDave, then he shoudnt be asking in here ? :) |
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| 10:57.00 | PerfDave | oes: What does "cat /etc/debian_version" say on your system? |
| 10:57.00 | RichiH | skate: my brain just parsed sarge as testing |
| 10:57.05 | RichiH | still takes getting used to ;) |
| 10:57.07 | vinsci | is there a way to do a BTS free-text search (like "kde menus")? |
| 10:57.08 | PerfDave | sep: Uhm, why not? |
| 10:57.18 | sep | PerfDave, or is apt-setup missing from etch/sid ? |
| 10:57.29 | PerfDave | sep: Dunno about etch or sid, but it's not in Woody. |
| 10:58.08 | liable | its in both etch and sid. |
| 10:58.10 | sep | PerfDave, optional ? i can vividly imagine using it.. .tho i might be wrong |
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| 10:58.35 | sep | PerfDave, but you are ofcouse right, one should rather mv the file to a .backup or similar |
| 10:58.40 | PerfDave | sep: It's not installed by default, certainly :) |
| 10:58.46 | amorphix | is it normal for dhcp to assign a hostname to a box if none exists already? |
| 10:58.51 | liable | i believe it is. |
| 10:58.58 | PerfDave | amorphix: Depends how the DHCP server is configured. |
| 10:59.04 | amorphix | if you set a hostname one will not be assigned? |
| 10:59.07 | amorphix | oh |
| 10:59.07 | PerfDave | amorphix: And the DHCP client, for that matter. |
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| 10:59.17 | amorphix | sounds complicated |
| 10:59.19 | jethro | PerfDave: what is not installed by default? apt-setup? |
| 10:59.23 | sep | PerfDave, this way he dont have to do parachuting or mountain climbing to get the daily 'risk' dosage :) |
| 10:59.34 | amorphix | im trying to help a mate out who gets a hostname assigned by dhcp |
| 10:59.44 | PerfDave | jethro: I don't think it's installed by default on Woody systems. |
| 10:59.57 | jethro | PerfDave: it's part of base-config, at least in sid |
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| 11:00.10 | jethro | PerfDave: so I assume it is in the default install :) |
| 11:00.20 | amorphix | what happens when they run out of Toy Story character names |
| 11:00.23 | PerfDave | jethro: That's nice. I *know* it's installed by default on Sarge and later. But we're talking about Woody. |
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| 11:00.26 | jethro | amorphix: debian stops |
| 11:00.27 | Dewi | if oes has no kernel images > 2.4 it seems unlikely they would have a recent debian |
| 11:00.29 | amorphix | hehe |
| 11:00.31 | Dewi | so assuming apt-setup seems bad |
| 11:00.56 | jethro | PerfDave: you don't have to be a wanker anyway |
| 11:01.02 | PerfDave | Dewi: Yes, that was my line of reasoning. No 2.6 kernel-images *suggests* to me that someone's running Woody. |
| 11:01.08 | PerfDave | jethro: Who's being a wanker? |
| 11:01.20 | wanker | me |
| 11:01.23 | jethro | *plonk* |
| 11:01.34 | PerfDave | *boggle* |
| 11:01.34 | amorphix | what do u need to do to update system after a hostname change? |
| 11:01.43 | amorphix | restart networking or reboot? |
| 11:01.50 | sep | PerfDave, my minimaly installed woody do have apt-setup, |
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| 11:02.26 | amorphix | or simply login again? |
| 11:02.27 | PerfDave | sep: Fair enough, I don't have a Woody system handy to check ;))) |
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| 11:02.38 | jethro | moron .. |
| 11:02.38 | amorphix | hi |
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| 11:02.56 | sep | PerfDave, there is no apt-setup package, so it must come from some other package. |
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| 11:03.13 | sep | PerfDave, but still i recognice the safer route of doing a mv instead of a rm |
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| 11:04.19 | sep | did oes actualy find any kernel-images ? :) |
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| 11:04.50 | mjp | hellol |
| 11:05.27 | mjp | i am having a problem with gcc - i am trying to compile php5 and apache-2.0.54, and i receive the error that "C compiler cannot generate executables" |
| 11:05.35 | skate | haha @ aol getting sued for making it "unduly difficult" to cancel their service |
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| 11:06.37 | vett | mjp: you need a -dev package, IIRC libc6-dev |
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| 11:06.52 | vett | mjp: but i could be way wrong |
| 11:07.15 | mjp | vett: thanks very much |
| 11:07.22 | PerfDave | !b-e mjp |
| 11:07.23 | dpkg | mjp: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 11:07.39 | mjp | dpkg: thanks, i'll give it a go |
| 11:07.44 | PerfDave | mjp: If it makes life easier, I believe that there are third-party PHP5 packages on apt-get.org |
| 11:07.44 | Dewi | dpkg: you have a directive for everything! |
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| 11:07.53 | PerfDave | mjp: If you're compiling things by hand though, /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 11:09.01 | liable | dpkg: smart bot |
| 11:09.24 | hyperstream | !bittorrent |
| 11:09.25 | dpkg | from memory, bittorrent is a tool for distributing files. It's extremely easy to use - downloads are started by clicking on hyperlinks. Whenever more than one person is downloading at once they send pieces of the file(s) to each other, thus relieving the central server's bandwidth burden. Even with many simultaneous downloads, the upload burden on the central server remains quite small, since each new downloader introduces new upload ... |
| 11:09.26 | liable | hmm, surprising.. |
| 11:09.44 | hyperstream | whats a good bittorrent client that runs in gnome |
| 11:10.13 | penny | !showstoper |
| 11:10.25 | jethro | dpkg: apt-setup is part of base-config since potato, and is installed by default, even if mr highly trained support wanker^Wmachine doesn't think so |
| 11:10.25 | dpkg | ...but apt-setup is already something else... |
| 11:10.28 | jethro | ah right |
| 11:10.31 | jethro | nm then |
| 11:10.32 | cinix | hyperstream, I prefer bittornado |
| 11:10.44 | liable | @annoy jethro |
| 11:10.44 | ravenbird | jethro: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 11:11.02 | cbr | why do i get things like this when running dpkg-buildpackage? dpkg-source: cannot represent change to setup.data/image/libborqt-6.9-qt2.3.so: binary file contents changed |
| 11:11.17 | Dewi | hyperstream: since azureus is java based it will probably work although I have not tried it |
| 11:11.24 | Dewi | (outside windows) |
| 11:11.37 | Dewi | owait |
| 11:12.22 | mjp | thanks people, i think it's working now. |
| 11:12.45 | mjp | apt-get install libc6-dev produced results |
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| 11:13.18 | hyperstream | Devi i got massive errors with azureus |
| 11:13.19 | mjp | (apologies i am somewhat of a debian novice) |
| 11:13.19 | hyperstream | such as |
| 11:13.32 | PerfDave | hyperstream: Personally, I'm using rtorrent currently. |
| 11:13.32 | hyperstream | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.35 | Dewi | cbr: to me that sounds like it wants to diff something, but can't because it's binary |
| 11:13.43 | hyperstream | oo is rtorrent gota nice gui |
| 11:13.57 | Dewi | hyperstream: sounds like you're not using sun JVM |
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| 11:14.00 | Dewi | hyperstream: or yours is too old |
| 11:14.14 | hyperstream | its the latest following dpkg 's instructions |
| 11:14.16 | Dewi | ? |
| 11:14.19 | PerfDave | hyperstream: rtorrent is a nice ncurses-based console-mode client. |
| 11:14.20 | hyperstream | so its correct i believe |
| 11:14.26 | hyperstream | ahh ok |
| 11:14.26 | PerfDave | hyperstream: It runs on my server which has no X :) |
| 11:14.43 | mjp | hmm, now i get an error: make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 |
| 11:14.46 | Dewi | hyperstream: aah, well, that's a shame. I am planning to try installing azureus on my debian box soon so I hope it works. |
| 11:14.49 | PerfDave | I've not used any GUI clients except the original bittorent. I wouldn't touch Azureus with a bargepole. |
| 11:14.58 | mjp | and "libtool: link 'strings/*.lo' is not a valid libtool object. |
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| 11:15.04 | hyperstream | yeah please do now :P let me know how you get on |
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| 11:16.50 | minra_wr0k | <minra_wr0k> how do i see which installed packages are largest? <<- aha synaptic shows it - but it was offsacreen |
| 11:16.57 | Dewi | see you guys later. it's idle time. |
| 11:16.57 | PerfDave | mjp: Look for a file called "INSTALL" in the top of your source directory. |
| 11:17.12 | mjp | PerfDave: i fixed it, stupidly i forgot to 'make' before 'make install' :P |
| 11:17.22 | jim | <jim> why is minra_wr0k toking to himself?? |
| 11:17.40 | minra_wr0k | i answered my own questino of 5 minutes ago |
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| 11:18.01 | Dewi | I wish I could do that. |
| 11:18.01 | minra_wr0k | so y'all wouldn't feel bad about ignoring it |
| 11:18.02 | jim | right, I realized that shortly after hitting enter... |
| 11:18.09 | minra_wr0k | :) |
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| 11:18.36 | PerfDave | mjp: You did "/msg dpkg usrlocal", right? |
| 11:18.39 | yahya | qui parle frensh here? |
| 11:18.45 | jim | !fr |
| 11:18.45 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:19.00 | jim | dpkg does :P |
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| 11:19.39 | jim | other than that, you might be more comfortable on #debian-fr asking your questions there... but it's your choice |
| 11:19.49 | minra_wr0k | yahya je parle un peut, votre question s'il vous plait? |
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| 11:20.10 | PerfDave | Zut alors! |
| 11:20.15 | btwotch | minra_wr0k: vous pouvez parlez anglais aussi? |
| 11:20.29 | btwotch | PerfDave: Vous pouvez parler anglais aussi? |
| 11:20.29 | minra_wr0k | oh i just saw debian-fr, nm... |
| 11:20.30 | mjp | PerfDave: yes, i did ./configure --prefix=/usr/local |
| 11:20.49 | PerfDave | mjp: Good good |
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| 11:21.02 | btwotch | !de |
| 11:21.02 | PerfDave | btwotch: Je parle un peu d'anglais. |
| 11:21.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 11:21.06 | mjp | just compiling now - taking a long time, slow box |
| 11:21.18 | jim | --prefix=/usr/local is -normally- the default... but it doesn't hurt to specify it |
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| 11:21.29 | btwotch | PerfDave: Alors, parle anglais, parce on doit parler anglais ici. |
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| 11:21.39 | jethro | !aolify btwotch |
| 11:22.30 | Dewi | dpkg: now that's a universal language |
| 11:22.43 | btwotch | jethro: what's up? |
| 11:23.02 | yahya | qui m'aide à trouver un bon cours sur linux? |
| 11:23.26 | liable | um, speak engrish! |
| 11:23.32 | skate | freedom fries! |
| 11:23.40 | btwotch | yahya: patate, ici, on parle anglais |
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| 11:24.10 | PerfDave | jim: More importantly, auto-generated autoconf documentation in INSTALL *says* that /usr/local is the default, but that often doesn't match up with the Makefile ;) |
| 11:24.12 | yahya | ok patate |
| 11:24.15 | btwotch | jim: shut the fuck up, i don't use aol, i do use compuserve |
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| 11:24.29 | twentyone | I'm using the Auditor release which ordinarily uses a start-netconfig shell script to configure network interfaces - now that I've installed it to a hard disk I was wondering if someone would be able to explain where I can configure this install to expect a particular interface configuration defaultly from boot-up... |
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| 11:24.34 | skate | uh, your host still says "aol" regardless |
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| 11:24.38 | skate | You've got mail! |
| 11:24.58 | PerfDave | twentyone: "Auditor release"? |
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| 11:25.18 | jim | actually not a bad life... |
| 11:25.23 | twentyone | Yeah Perf Dave - remote-exploit.org's distribution |
| 11:25.33 | btwotch | skate: then check my dial-number 019160, so dial 04919160, okay? |
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| 11:25.39 | PerfDave | twentyone: Hmm, so not Debian then ;) |
| 11:25.40 | skate | no thanks |
| 11:25.47 | skate | i could care less |
| 11:25.48 | btwotch | jim: then check my dial-number 019160, so dial 04919160, okay? |
| 11:25.58 | penny | what and what @_@ ? |
| 11:26.01 | Dewi | btwotch: it says aol from here too. perhaps you are mistaken. |
| 11:26.07 | twentyone | PerfDave: It's debian based. |
| 11:26.18 | liable | here we go.. |
| 11:26.23 | jim | penny: what's those?? |
| 11:26.23 | PerfDave | twentyone: Debian-based distributions are not supported on #debian. |
| 11:26.23 | vett | =) |
| 11:26.27 | twentyone | a live version |
| 11:26.32 | sep | !debian based |
| 11:26.32 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
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| 11:26.45 | twentyone | it's Knoppix |
| 11:26.52 | PerfDave | twentyone: No, it's Knoppix-based. |
| 11:26.55 | liable | well ask there.. |
| 11:26.58 | penny | I can not catch up what are you talking about |
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| 11:27.01 | minra_wr0k | twentyone: #knoppix |
| 11:27.07 | skate | penny. welcome to my world |
| 11:27.08 | btwotch | Dewi: errare humanum est, but you are human, I am root.l |
| 11:27.12 | liable | penny: shut up then.. |
| 11:27.13 | skate | try reading this channel after a spliff |
| 11:27.14 | twentyone | well thanks very much for the direction |
| 11:27.25 | PerfDave | twentyone: http://new.remote-exploit.org/index.php/Auditor_main - "For getting support you can go to our [[our forum (http://forum.remote-exploit.org/)], our FAQ site or meet on the IRC on server irc.freenode.org in channel #auditor" |
| 11:28.01 | twentyone | someone idle and myself are the only people in #auditor |
| 11:28.20 | PerfDave | !they don't know |
| 11:28.20 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 11:28.37 | jim | btwotch: note that being logged in as root habitually could cause you problems |
| 11:28.44 | PerfDave | twentyone: Failure of #auditor to support Auditor doesn't make it #debian's job to do so :) |
| 11:28.45 | liable | twentyone: install sarge, come back, and then we will help, otherwise, deal.. |
| 11:28.51 | sep | twentyone, when you use a distribution, based on a distributin, based on debian. you dont get that many users |
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| 11:29.25 | btwotch | jim: to admin a computer, you have to be logged in as root, but I don't chat as root. |
| 11:29.59 | jim | yes. very true... and, good. |
| 11:30.13 | Dewi | PerfDave: when you copied that, the URL in the hyperlink came through in your paste. How's that work? (is it your browser or ircclient?) |
| 11:30.27 | PerfDave | Dewi: Uhm, I presume it's up to my browser. |
| 11:30.42 | twentyone | dpkg: I wasn't trying to exercise any right here - I was asking if anyone would be kind enough to help me with a problem - I hope something more serious than my enquiring here has gotten your knickers in a knott because if this is the biggest problem in your life - really - you're not doing too badly. |
| 11:30.42 | dpkg | twentyone: what are you talking about? |
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| 11:31.04 | PerfDave | Dewi: No, it's the website - there's an "external link" icon, and the alt-text of the icon has the URL of the hyperlink. |
| 11:31.06 | liable | dpkg: what are you |
| 11:31.06 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 11:31.15 | jim | dpkg: what are you talking about? |
| 11:31.16 | twentyone | drats |
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| 11:31.19 | skate | dpkg. wanna have sex? |
| 11:31.23 | skate | :( |
| 11:31.25 | hyperstream | !sex |
| 11:31.25 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 11:31.29 | Dewi | skate: sorry man |
| 11:31.32 | skate | hahaaaaaaaaaa |
| 11:31.38 | PerfDave | twentyone: We can't help you with your problem here. I doubt #knoppix can either. Try the Auditor forum if the IRC channel is dead. |
| 11:31.39 | sep | twentyone, i did tell you to look at /etc/network/interfaces (where this is done in debian) if that dont match your case im sorry |
| 11:32.17 | blahdeblah | hyperstream: Don't much like those apt-get additions to the usual Unix sex script |
| 11:32.29 | twentyone | okay that's what I'll do - thanks for all the attention to my query |
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| 11:32.59 | skate | why not? |
| 11:33.05 | skate | apt-get remove --purge |
| 11:33.06 | sep | blahdeblah, yeah it makes it less portable between the sexes |
| 11:33.07 | skate | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:33.11 | skate | that's golden |
| 11:33.26 | PerfDave | Fried gold! |
| 11:33.38 | Dewi | come on, it's important to install condom before you fsck |
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| 11:33.46 | Dewi | if you distro doesn't make it as easy as apt does |
| 11:33.47 | Dewi | then sorry |
| 11:33.53 | BriajWrk | hi all |
| 11:33.55 | mjp | does one know the default mysql installation path on debian? |
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| 11:34.13 | jim | does your debian sleep(1) around? |
| 11:34.20 | minra_wr0k | /var/lib/mysql |
| 11:34.26 | mjp | thx |
| 11:34.30 | PerfDave | mjp: dpkg -L does :) |
| 11:34.39 | mjp | i should learn that ;) |
| 11:34.40 | Dewi | jim: it claims not but I don't believe it |
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| 11:34.48 | Dewi | jim: I noticed a lot of contrib packages |
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| 11:35.05 | blahdeblah | Dewi: hate the things! If you don't sleep(1) around, and you get the chop, you don't need them! :-) |
| 11:35.18 | jim | just waiting to get installed |
| 11:36.02 | btwotch | so, for the guys who don't know the differences. Check google '019160 compuserve' , and you'll find 238 sites, but '019160 aol' 106 |
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| 11:36.17 | jethro | !lart btwotch |
| 11:36.18 | PerfDave | Googlefight! |
| 11:36.19 | skate | btwotch. no one cares |
| 11:36.29 | mjp | hmm, i'm compiling php-4.4.0 and it's saying it cannot find the mySQL header files in /var/lib/mysql - running configure with ./configure --with-apxs2 --with-mysql=/var/lib/mysql |
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| 11:36.35 | Dewi | blahdeblah: is there a package that can assist me in getting the chop? I tried to do it manually but it was pretty technical |
| 11:36.41 | jim | what's 01960 thingy tho? |
| 11:36.44 | btwotch | skate: so, you haven't spoken about that shit? |
| 11:36.51 | PerfDave | mjp: That's not where the MySQL *header* files are. You'll need to install a MySQL -dev package or two |
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| 11:36.55 | btwotch | jethro: shut up |
| 11:36.56 | skate | jesus, drop it already |
| 11:37.01 | PerfDave | btwotch: Look, just deal with the fact that you're an AOLer and get on with your life :) |
| 11:37.11 | blahdeblah | Dewi: :-) maybe 'perldoc -f chomp' will give you something similar? |
| 11:37.11 | Dewi | btwotch: what the hell are you talking about? your reverse lookup says aol, and spouting aol phone numbers or whatever they are isn't helping you |
| 11:37.11 | skate | or is this what you do, join random channels and begin arguing about aol? |
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| 11:37.12 | mjp | PerfDave: i'm rubbish aren't i? |
| 11:37.16 | hyperstream | i get an error when running azureus , i followed dpkg 's java setup instructions --->http://pastebin.com/345815 |
| 11:37.29 | PerfDave | mjp: You generally need -dev files when compiling things. |
| 11:37.45 | PerfDave | mjp: OTOH, I tend not to compile anything these days ;) |
| 11:37.47 | streuner | apt, lart btwotch |
| 11:37.55 | btwotch | PerfDave: Look, just deal with the fact that I am root, and you don't know anything about anything. |
| 11:37.58 | Dewi | blahdeblah: oh that's so handy, I didn't know about perldoc :P |
| 11:38.03 | jim | yesterday's rubbish is today's landfill is tomorrow's flower garden |
| 11:38.09 | PerfDave | btwotch: OMG! You're root! I'm so *scared* |
| 11:38.27 | PerfDave | perldoc is the win. |
| 11:38.39 | skate | btwotch. you seem cool, can i hang out with you sometime? |
| 11:38.42 | penny | root? |
| 11:38.46 | btwotch | Dewi: If you can't understand, don't read. Dewi tell your stories the barber of your mother. |
| 11:39.06 | skate | that didn't even make sense, bwotch |
| 11:39.12 | skate | or whatever your nick is |
| 11:39.16 | Dewi | btwotch: if you can't construct a sentence, don't speak |
| 11:39.18 | btwotch | penny: ubuntu users, don't know root |
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| 11:39.29 | btwotch | Dewi: but that's english. |
| 11:39.36 | btwotch | Dewi: spoken english. |
| 11:39.38 | skate | Dewi tell your stories the barber of your mother. |
| 11:39.40 | jim | btwotch: barely :P |
| 11:39.41 | btwotch | Dewi: ok, my english's bad. |
| 11:39.45 | skate | that's english, with a few missing words |
| 11:39.51 | penny | root = toor ? |
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| 11:40.00 | streuner | apt, tell btwotch about enter |
| 11:40.01 | PerfDave | skate: biotch ;) |
| 11:40.06 | skate | heeee! |
| 11:40.23 | jim | biotech? |
| 11:40.29 | Dewi | btwotch: not as bad as your isp |
| 11:40.33 | skate | :( |
| 11:40.40 | blahdeblah | Don't you just love how there's so much debian going on in #debian? :-) Night all... |
| 11:40.47 | skate | i do not like green eggs and spam |
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| 11:40.54 | penny | ... |
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| 11:41.02 | Dewi | blahdeblah: hey - our OT convo taught me perldoc |
| 11:41.02 | fsancho | hi all |
| 11:41.06 | Dewi | blahdeblah: OT wins! |
| 11:41.12 | fsancho | hi all |
| 11:41.21 | skate | fsancho. we heard you the first time |
| 11:41.26 | jim | perldoc -f <perlFuncName> |
| 11:41.31 | streuner | jethro: is today sunday? ;-) |
| 11:41.33 | jim | perldoc -f splice |
| 11:41.51 | jethro | streuner: every day is like sunday :) |
| 11:41.54 | tralala | !sunday |
| 11:41.54 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 11:42.03 | jethro | !sing sunday |
| 11:42.03 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 11:42.10 | Dewi | arse. I have so much code to write. |
| 11:42.13 | Dewi | I'm really gone this time |
| 11:42.14 | tralala | bah... |
| 11:42.14 | Dewi | bye |
| 11:42.20 | jethro | :) |
| 11:42.22 | jim | at least the song is grammatically correct... |
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| 11:42.50 | skate | btwotch. shut up already? |
| 11:43.04 | PerfDave | btwotch: Why are you telling me this? Am I supposed to care? :) |
| 11:43.15 | Dewi | PerfDave: I think he *likes* you |
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| 11:43.23 | fsancho | i would like to know if is it possible to sniff the commands that are sent to the printer by a program like openoffice or gtklp |
| 11:43.27 | PerfDave | Dewi: I've made a friend! Huzzah! After all these years! :) |
| 11:43.33 | jim | Feeeeelinggggs.... wo wo wo feeeeellllinggggsss.... |
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| 11:43.48 | PerfDave | fsancho: Can you print to Postscript in OpenOffice? |
| 11:43.54 | jm_ | fsancho: they probably just send it to spooler |
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| 11:44.11 | btwotch | PerfDave: me=root, and me sais you: use the tabulator-key |
| 11:44.30 | PerfDave | !confuse btwotch |
| 11:44.31 | dpkg | No, them was my mushroom tomorrow, btwotch? trousers of the people's republic of liechtenstein with extra herring |
| 11:44.37 | jim | tabulationist :P |
| 11:44.58 | btwotch | dpkg: I hate mushrooms |
| 11:45.10 | liable | wtf |
| 11:45.12 | skate | do you like badgers? |
| 11:45.15 | fsancho | PerfDave: yes, i can print postcript, but i don't know if special settings like wich paper tray i want to use, are dumped to postcript file |
| 11:45.23 | jim | dpkg: btwotch is a mushroom hater |
| 11:45.23 | dpkg | jim: okay |
| 11:45.36 | tralala | dpkg, what is btwotch |
| 11:45.37 | dpkg | tralala: I think you lost me on that one |
| 11:45.37 | btwotch | !btwotch |
| 11:45.37 | dpkg | well, btwotch is a mushroom hater |
| 11:45.43 | tralala | hehe :) |
| 11:45.55 | skate | dpkg. skate is a sexy bitch |
| 11:45.56 | minra_wr0k | fsancho: i don't think so - that's part of your printer driver settings |
| 11:45.57 | tralala | dpkg: you stupid bot |
| 11:45.57 | skate | :( |
| 11:46.06 | skate | dpgk hates meh |
| 11:46.09 | skate | dpkg too |
| 11:46.43 | vett | skate: you missed a ":" |
| 11:46.44 | resiak | dpkg: bite skate |
| 11:46.50 | resiak | dpkg bite vett |
| 11:46.51 | skate | yeah, i just noticed that |
| 11:46.53 | resiak | vett: you don't need it. |
| 11:47.00 | fsancho | minra_wr0k: yes, i think that too |
| 11:47.01 | skate | the cyp script has it's own stupid nick complete built in |
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| 11:47.11 | skate | even if you have the bitchx nick complete disabled |
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| 11:47.31 | umbop | hmm i've setup cups, and i am able to print the test page from the admin site, and i can see the printername.ppd that i've setup etc, but yet, if i go to print a doc from acrobat reader, using /usr/bin/lp it processes the page but nothing prints |
| 11:47.47 | vett | resiak: mmh, you are right... |
| 11:48.00 | bibe | umbop : what does 'lpq' say? |
| 11:48.09 | umbop | TECHPRINT is ready |
| 11:48.19 | umbop | which is the name of the printer i have added |
| 11:48.20 | vett | umbop: you are in the lp group? |
| 11:48.32 | flub | umbop: and lpstat -t? |
| 11:48.40 | bibe | no queued prints? and vett is right, are you in the lp group? |
| 11:48.50 | umbop | hmm i didn't realise i had to be |
| 11:48.57 | vett | umbop: and you can look in the /var/log/cups for hints |
| 11:49.04 | umbop | i'll add myself to the group |
| 11:49.09 | flub | shouldn't need to be in lp group afaik |
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| 11:49.26 | jim | the daemon would have to be in that group |
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| 11:49.46 | vett | flub: dunno, i've configured it years ago |
| 11:50.01 | umbop | which daemon? |
| 11:50.08 | vett | flub: probably before using CUPS =) |
| 11:50.09 | hyperstream | i get an error when running azureus , i followed dpkg 's java setup instructions --->http://pastebin.com/345815 |
| 11:50.10 | jim | if you want to do things like echo hello > /dev/lp1 |
| 11:50.10 | bibe | cupsys daemon |
| 11:50.19 | jim | THEN you have to be in lp |
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| 11:50.49 | umbop | well i'm using adobe reader, and it says printer: Command: /usr/bin/lp presumably i need to pass it more parameters? |
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| 11:51.08 | oliva | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.12 | oliva | u use wget |
| 11:51.27 | PerfDave | oliva: It could be that the web server is misreporting the size of the file. |
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| 11:52.20 | oliva | PerfDave so if I start download , could a finish it like it is 4 GB |
| 11:52.39 | PerfDave | oliva: Hopefully ;) |
| 11:53.12 | oliva | PerfDave look this : |
| 11:53.14 | jim | so the hope is that when it misreports the size, the reportee ignores it? |
| 11:53.15 | oliva | linux:/windows/E # wget -c From: ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/pub/linux/Mirror/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 11:53.15 | oliva | From:: Unsupported scheme. |
| 11:53.15 | oliva | --13:26:58-- ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/pub/linux/Mirror/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 11:53.16 | oliva | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.16 | *** kick/#debian [oliva!n=debhelp@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood) |
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| 11:53.21 | oliva | Resolving ftp.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de... 141.2.16.66 |
| 11:53.23 | oliva | Connecting to ftp.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de|141.2.16.66|:21... connected. |
| 11:53.25 | oliva | Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! |
| 11:53.27 | oliva | ==> SYST ... done. ==> PWD ... done. |
| 11:53.33 | oliva | ==> TYPE I ... done. ==> CWD /pub/linux/Mirror/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd ... done. |
| 11:53.34 | jethro | !lart oliva |
| 11:53.35 | oliva | ==> SIZE debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso ... 0 bytes ... done. |
| 11:53.37 | oliva | ==> PASV ... done. ==> REST 31,148,172 ... done. |
| 11:53.38 | skate | uh |
| 11:53.39 | oliva | ==> RETR debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso ... done. |
| 11:53.39 | jim | umm... please don't flood |
| 11:53.41 | oliva | Length: 360,591,220 [329,443,048 to go] (unauthoritative) |
| 11:53.45 | oliva | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.48 | oliva | sorry for flood |
| 11:53.56 | oliva | can somebody explane me |
| 11:54.00 | oliva | please |
| 11:54.04 | jethro | oliva: use a paster, #flood whatever, but don't flood #debian for the love of god |
| 11:54.10 | oliva | ok ok |
| 11:54.11 | oliva | :)) |
| 11:54.24 | jim | oliva: didn't you get the hint when you were kicked for flooding? (no, you flooded more slowly to defeat the kicking) |
| 11:54.25 | oliva | look now what is problem step by step |
| 11:55.01 | oliva | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.03 | jim | well, ok, so you therefore -did- get the hint |
| 11:55.03 | penny | oliva, use the #flood >_< |
| 11:55.19 | oliva | From:: Unsupported scheme. |
| 11:55.23 | jim | or a pastebot |
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| 11:55.30 | deb4mom | oliva, there is a special channel to paste stuff |
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| 11:55.38 | PerfDave | !tell oliva -about paste |
| 11:55.42 | oliva | ok ok |
| 11:55.42 | jethro | oliva: are you kidding us? of course From: is not a supported scheme |
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| 11:55.45 | deb4mom | oliva it's time to get it. |
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| 11:55.54 | oliva | whait a second |
| 11:55.56 | oliva | please |
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| 11:56.11 | jethro | !tell oliva -about enter |
| 11:56.18 | oliva | Length: 360,591,220 [329,443,048 to go] (unauthoritative) |
| 11:56.21 | oliva | this ! |
| 11:56.31 | oliva | but length is 4 GB |
| 11:56.33 | ircdevil | how can adjust privoxy to block a certain flash ad on a homepage? |
| 11:56.48 | Trewas | oliva: wget is broken with large (>2gb) files, use something else to get dvd images |
| 11:56.54 | penny | oliva, check the md5? |
| 11:56.59 | jim | ircdevil: the ad coming from the same site? |
| 11:57.05 | oliva | Trewas what to use ? |
| 11:57.06 | jim | as the page |
| 11:57.12 | PerfDave | Trewas: It is? |
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| 11:57.41 | PerfDave | oliva: Use jigdo to download DVD images? It's more efficient than downloading ISOs over http. |
| 11:57.47 | ircdevil | jim: hmmm i think so |
| 11:57.55 | PerfDave | oliva: I believe that you can also obtain the DVD images using bittorrent. |
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| 11:58.18 | gabry | I try to start wmaker but i have this for answer : "fatal error unable to open display" |
| 11:58.19 | Trewas | PerfDave: yes, or actually it used to be since wget 1.10-1 has large file support |
| 11:58.21 | penny | haha, bt & jigdo lol |
| 11:58.31 | gabry | How can I do ???? |
| 11:58.34 | jim | then I guess you'd have to filter on simultaneous connections |
| 11:58.37 | Trewas | oliva: lftp might do the trick |
| 11:58.47 | PerfDave | gabry: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 11:58.49 | oliva | I will try |
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| 11:58.56 | ircdevil | jim: yes, it does |
| 11:59.04 | sep | oliva, the way to go is to get the 50MB netinstall image, and install from that, then you dont have to download stuff you dont need |
| 11:59.08 | PerfDave | Trewas: Hmm, that rings a bell actually. |
| 11:59.25 | sep | also in #debian you get 800 different opinions |
| 11:59.28 | jim | you could filter only flashes coming from the site |
| 11:59.30 | penny | sep,yeah!!! |
| 11:59.37 | PerfDave | sep: Assuming that oliva is installing on a machine with good Internet connectivity. And the 50Mb image is *not* the netinstall image, it's the business card image :) |
| 11:59.49 | oliva | hehe |
| 11:59.51 | deb4mom | oliva: maybe try netinstall, i am writing from a machine that i just installed using this small image. it works with most machines. |
| 11:59.58 | jim | opinions are like buttholes... everyone's got one... |
| 12:00.11 | ircdevil | jim: how? (tell me if its easy - or ill just go for the docs at some time) |
| 12:00.11 | penny | I prefer debootstrap |
| 12:00.14 | deb4mom | jim: at least one |
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| 12:00.22 | jim | well I'm guessing |
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| 12:00.35 | sep | PerfDave, i installed the 50Mb on a box with 64kbit isdn, took some 30 houers to get gnome but..... |
| 12:00.58 | PerfDave | sep: What's your point? It's not the "netinstall image", it's the "business card image". You can install with it, but that's not the right name for it :) |
| 12:01.07 | jim | I dunno what's easy or not, but I would think that it might be given all these problems/cases must have come up |
| 12:01.56 | sep | PerfDave, that's just me not knowing the right names. |
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| 12:02.04 | jim | debootstrap is a special kind of net install |
| 12:02.16 | PerfDave | sep: The difference is, if the business card install doesn't work, you don't have a working system. |
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| 12:03.00 | penny | install gentoo --> get debootstrap --> hehe |
| 12:03.03 | ircdevil | ahahahaha die! DIE! |
| 12:03.06 | ircdevil | jim: got it :o) |
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| 12:03.26 | penny | s/gentoo/lfs/ |
| 12:03.26 | sep | PerfDave, seriously ? i think i have done that install without a net conencted. have to test it when i have the time. |
| 12:03.28 | jim | how? |
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| 12:03.49 | jim | penny: but you repeat yourself... :) |
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| 12:04.26 | miag | s/lfs/ http://www.diy-linux.org / |
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| 12:04.34 | jim | gentoo is figuratively and literally a linux from scratch |
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| 12:04.51 | PerfDave | jim: But LFS is much easier, more stable and better supported than Gentoo ;) |
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| 12:05.04 | PerfDave | What we need is a tomsrtbt floppy with debootstrap on ;) |
| 12:05.07 | Shadur | ARGH. Does anyone here have any experience making tomcat4 work with apache2 in sarge? |
| 12:05.10 | jim | LFS... -supported-?? |
| 12:05.16 | nschasse | is it possible to let a java jar-file run without mozilla? (eg: http://www.math.uni-bielfeld.de/~nschasse/sudo/sudoku_binary_R1_20.jar) $:java -jar sudoku_binary_R1_20.jar does not work for me. |
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| 12:05.28 | penny | install xp at first -> install lfs -> install gentoo -> install debootstrap |
| 12:05.31 | flub | what's wrong when cdebootstrap tells E: Couldn't install root? |
| 12:05.38 | jim | you must be thinking "linux for sale" :) |
| 12:05.38 | umbop | hmm how can i mount just the root of a share i did mount -t smbfs -o username=username/domain \\\\hostname\\ /mnt/share but it's saying that ther'es no such share, i can mount directories within the root of the share, but not the root itself |
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| 12:05.57 | flub | it left me a quite unuable chroot, that will need lots of manual tweaking to get it working |
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| 12:06.25 | flub | s/unuable/unusable/ |
| 12:06.46 | PerfDave | flub: Is that the only error you got? Could be that it had trouble downloading some packages, try running the command again. |
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| 12:07.30 | jim | umbop: that would be more than one device mounted on a single mount point |
| 12:07.41 | flub | PerfDave: the only error, i'll try running it again tho |
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| 12:07.46 | greycat | dpkg, ftp must die is <reply> FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 12:07.47 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 12:08.03 | umbop | well it should be the root of the mount, mounted on a single mount point |
| 12:08.08 | RichiH | greycat: active or passive? |
| 12:08.09 | umbop | why would that be more than one device? |
| 12:08.11 | greycat | RichiH: yes. |
| 12:08.14 | Thu12331 | i've been screwing around with linux for a while now and know how to handle myself most of the times...but now i want to know more about the workings of linux/debian....i feel i need documentation/book to get me further....does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 12:08.24 | RichiH | greycat: heh, k |
| 12:08.39 | petemc | Thu12331: madduck has just done a debian book |
| 12:08.40 | oes | if I want to download kernel sources, is it as easily done as typing "apt-get install kernel-source-MYCURRENTKERNEL" ? |
| 12:08.49 | PerfDave | oes: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 12:08.50 | petemc | Thu12331: martin kraft, i think his real name is |
| 12:08.57 | oes | PerfDave: done that |
| 12:08.59 | greycat | oes: there's very little reason for most users to have kernel sources on their system |
| 12:09.02 | Thu12331 | petemc, cool |
| 12:09.09 | PerfDave | oes: Why do you want to download kernel sources? |
| 12:09.28 | penny | miag, diy-linux is just a link of my bookmarks |
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| 12:09.34 | Thu12331 | petemc, what is the book called...or where can i find it? |
| 12:09.39 | greycat | this isn't like bsd, where you patch the source code and issue a "make build" to upgrade to -stable. |
| 12:09.56 | oes | PerfDave: I am trying to install the ipw2200 drivers for wireless cards. I was told that I needed the Kernel sources |
| 12:10.01 | greycat | !ipw2200 |
| 12:10.01 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-source-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200 |
| 12:10.03 | petemc | Thu12331: its got debian in the title, the rest you can figur edout for yourself |
| 12:10.04 | PerfDave | oes: use module-assistant |
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| 12:10.14 | PerfDave | oes: You're using a Debian-provided kernel-image? |
| 12:10.19 | Thu12331 | ok fair enough |
| 12:10.20 | Thu12331 | :) |
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| 12:11.06 | oes | PerfDave: yes, 2.8.8-2-686 |
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| 12:11.13 | oes | PerfDave: yes, 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 12:11.41 | PerfDave | oes: Then module-assistant should do everything you need. |
| 12:11.49 | oes | ok |
| 12:11.52 | gentoothreefour | hey |
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| 12:12.05 | gentoothreefour | xfce support for xfce and gdm do you know how to enable |
| 12:12.06 | oes | !ipw2200 |
| 12:12.06 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-source-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200 |
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| 12:12.28 | oes | PerfDave: how do I use module-assistant to install them ? |
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| 12:12.47 | PerfDave | oes: Follow the instructions that dpkg just gave you! |
| 12:12.53 | oes | ok |
| 12:13.28 | flub | same problem, after "P: Configureing helper cdebootstrap-helper-diverts" i get "E: Couldn't install root!" no other errors :( |
| 12:13.38 | Thu12331 | ow the debian book is not yet release |
| 12:13.39 | Thu12331 | d |
| 12:13.48 | flub | why isn't cdebootstrap more verbose? |
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| 12:14.05 | PerfDave | flub: Does it have a -v option? :) |
| 12:14.26 | flub | PerfDave: yes, just figured that one out after i typed it here... ;) |
| 12:14.34 | Jel | anyone know how I can set the login path for a single user over ssh? It seems to ignore .bashrc,.bash_profile, etc. |
| 12:15.02 | greycat | !wikifaq Jel DotFiles |
| 12:15.04 | dpkg | Jel: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 12:17.10 | oes | PerfDave: When issuing the command dpkg told me, I was told I needed the firmware. After downloading the firmware and placing it where it should be, Do I need to run that command again ? or should everything be ok ? Did't recieve any other error messages |
| 12:17.49 | PerfDave | oes: Hard to say without knowing exactly what it said. I suspect running the command again won't hurt though. |
| 12:17.58 | flub | ah, problem narrowed: cdebootstrap-helper-diverst tries diverting /sbin/start-stop-daemon and dpkg-divert would have to overwrite an existing file for that :( |
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| 12:18.25 | oes | ok |
| 12:18.41 | twentyone | does debian use tcp wrappers? |
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| 12:19.28 | flub | twentyone: yes, check /etc/hosts.* |
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| 12:20.29 | twentyone | marvelous |
| 12:20.45 | PerfDave | twentyone: Some applications use tcpwrappers, some don't. |
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| 12:22.04 | douglas | trying to get cron to get webalizer to crunch IPs into hosts at a non-peak time (hostname lookups off of course).. in the webmin webalizer config thing i see a box for DNS lookup processes and later the webalizer dns cache file field.. is the former asking me for the path to nslookup? what i gotta do? |
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| 12:22.45 | blacke | how do i get rid of the "nv_sata" spam in console? im using an nforce3 board with 1 sata HDD and 1 pata CD-RW |
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| 12:24.29 | streuner | blacke: try /msg apt syslog console |
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| 12:27.06 | possie | i'm having troubles with ssh tunneling, i'm doing ssh -L 3389:root@mymachine:3389 root@mymachine but when i connect to port 3389 at my localhost i'm getting the error "channel 3: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed" in my tunnel ssh session, what could this be? |
| 12:27.32 | kenboo | 3389 sounds like rdesktop |
| 12:28.21 | tralala | !wayttd possie |
| 12:28.22 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, possie? |
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| 12:28.31 | kenboo | the windows box is not listening the rdp port |
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| 12:28.52 | possie | kenboo: yes, but i'm the problem lies with ssh, i when i do 4000:root@mymachine:25 (e.g. i want to connect on port 4000 on my localhost host and i want ssh to tunnel it over ssh to port 25 on the other side) i get the same message |
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| 12:29.21 | Thu12331 | maybe it doesnt allow to tunnel as root? |
| 12:29.30 | PerfDave | Sounds like a problem in the sshd on the Windows box |
| 12:29.34 | nerdy2 | possie: does the other side have the ssh login as root disabled? |
| 12:29.37 | Morti | Most things are. |
| 12:29.47 | nerdy2 | (the other side == mymachine) |
| 12:29.52 | tralala | possie: 1) sshd has port forwarding disabled; 2) you're using the wrong arguments |
| 12:30.03 | SaneEnglishMonk | possie: what happens if you do 4000:mymachine:20 (ie no root@ in -L) ? |
| 12:30.04 | Morti | 3) You have Norton Internet Security |
| 12:30.31 | possie | nerdy2: no because the tunnel is setup correctly |
| 12:30.33 | jethro | possie: you don't need root@ in the argument to -L |
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| 12:30.56 | possie | SaneEnglishMonk: let me try that |
| 12:31.17 | possie | SaneEnglishMonk: nope same thing |
| 12:31.18 | RichiH | !listfacts qotd |
| 12:31.20 | tralala | what's the point to ssh host1 and to forward the port to host1 again?! |
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| 12:31.36 | greycat | tralala: man ssh, look at -L and -R |
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| 12:31.48 | jethro | tralala: tunnel the cleartext smtp in the ssh stream? |
| 12:32.08 | tralala | jethro: seconded |
| 12:32.16 | oes | !ipw2200 |
| 12:32.16 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-source-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200 |
| 12:32.23 | greycat | write it down or something! |
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| 12:32.25 | nerdy2 | or even get past firewalls when stupid network admins filter irc ports or nonsense like that :) |
| 12:32.25 | kenboo | i have so many localforward lines in my config.. |
| 12:32.41 | kenboo | nerdy2, heh ya that's why |
| 12:33.03 | PerfDave | Oh god, I misread what possie was saying. |
| 12:33.16 | nerdy2 | i was actually at a church, and they filtered everything but http, it was so annoying |
| 12:33.23 | PerfDave | possie: You want to forward port 3389 on your local machine, to port 3389 on mymachine? |
| 12:33.31 | possie | PerfDave: yes |
| 12:33.31 | nerdy2 | i was trying to ssh tunnel out after they were filtering useful things, and even that didn't work :) |
| 12:33.41 | PerfDave | possie: -L 3389:localhost:3389 |
| 12:33.44 | kenboo | nerdy2, in my case i don't want to get logged by company's http proxy :P |
| 12:33.48 | greycat | nerdy2: run your sshd on port 80 |
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| 12:34.02 | possie | PerfDave: thats what i do , but i get the message channel 3: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed |
| 12:34.10 | nerdy2 | or port 53 :) |
| 12:34.11 | tralala | nerdy2: or even better 443 |
| 12:34.16 | PerfDave | possie: Is that what you do? That's not what you said you do. |
| 12:34.29 | blacke | streuner: suggestions there didnt help. even removed any logging to console |
| 12:34.36 | tralala | this will fool proxies that try to be too smart and analyse http traffic |
| 12:34.48 | nerdy2 | tralala: ya |
| 12:34.53 | greycat | possie: sounds like the service to which you were forwarding the port is not accepting connections |
| 12:35.02 | nerdy2 | nice ideas but i would've had to think of this before i ran into the draconian church firewall :) |
| 12:35.03 | possie | greycat: it is |
| 12:35.20 | jethro | tralala: you don't fool that much.. since you CONNECT through the http proxy, and anyone can see it's ssh |
| 12:35.20 | possie | greycat: when i ssh to mymachine, and do a telnet localhost 3389 it opens a connection |
| 12:35.21 | greycat | nerdy2: NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH FIREWALL@! |
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| 12:35.53 | greycat | possie: so you used ssh -L 3389:localhost:3389 me@mymachine ? |
| 12:36.00 | tralala | jethro: which is just like an ordinary https connection |
| 12:36.09 | flub | followup to my previous problems: it seems it's impossible to debootsrap sid curretly, need to bootstrap sarge frist, then upgrade |
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| 12:36.15 | jethro | tralala: not really. the ssh handshake is not an ssl handshake |
| 12:36.17 | PerfDave | possie: BTW, have you tried sticking a -v or two in that ssh call? |
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| 12:37.00 | PerfDave | flub: sid in "broken" shocker ;) |
| 12:37.21 | tralala | jethro: anyway so far proxies that wouldn't allow CONNECT to port 80 have always allowed it to 443 for me |
| 12:37.26 | possie | PerfDave: yes i just get the message "debug1: channel 3: new [direct-tcpip]" |
| 12:37.48 | PerfDave | possie: Try -v -v :) |
| 12:38.00 | jethro | tralala: indeed :) I was not questionning the fact that it works, but I just wanted you to know that one can notice you're ssh'ing through the proxy :p |
| 12:38.14 | tralala | I always thought it's because it's needed for https, but who cares |
| 12:39.27 | tralala | jethro: well, that's good to know :) |
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| 12:41.32 | jso | what's the proper name for these characters? !, @, #, ^ |
| 12:42.04 | tralala | a character seems proper to me |
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| 12:42.23 | nvz | jso: exclamation, at, hash, caret. I guess |
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| 12:42.40 | skate | isn't @ called ampersand or something |
| 12:42.47 | skate | and i think it's carat |
| 12:42.49 | skate | =x |
| 12:42.56 | jso | & is ampersand. |
| 12:42.59 | skate | google will know. |
| 12:42.59 | nvz | goto hell :P |
| 12:43.09 | skate | i am already there, my friend. |
| 12:43.17 | chriswk | # is hash |
| 12:43.34 | skate | chriswk: some people call that a "pound sign" |
| 12:43.39 | skate | or a hash |
| 12:43.40 | resiak | skate: Those people are wrong. |
| 12:43.52 | skate | i didn't say they were correct ;p |
| 12:44.00 | nvz | those people are yankees |
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| 12:44.00 | IsaacHaze | # octathorpe? |
| 12:44.09 | nvz | !yinzersmite skate |
| 12:44.10 | skate | in the states it's called a pound sign when referred to on a telephone |
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| 12:44.16 | skate | yay |
| 12:44.20 | resiak | IsaacHaze: That's what I heard. |
| 12:44.54 | IsaacHaze | and its the only side-of-the-atlantic neutral that i know of |
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| 12:47.12 | nvz | those damn mofos are still over there working on that damn roof. thats a 1day roof job they've been there 3 weeks it seems |
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| 12:47.42 | jso | let me summarise: ! is exclamation, @ is at, # is octathorpe, ^ is carat. we have consensus here? |
| 12:47.54 | tralala | nvz: same here, but it's not the roof it's the freakin' office. And it's more that a month now! |
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| 12:48.27 | FunFusion | www.FunFusion.Net New Place 4 Fun (daily updates) |
| 12:48.28 | chriswk | sounds good jso |
| 12:48.40 | resiak | !ops Hooray! A spambot! It's FunFusion! |
| 12:48.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Hooray! A spambot! It's FunFusion! |
| 12:48.42 | skate | nvz: it's the cops, they are watching you |
| 12:48.55 | jso | thks.guys. |
| 12:48.56 | tralala | resiak: got me! |
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| 12:49.02 | Ronin | cant be too good if it has to spam irc FunFusion |
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| 12:50.44 | tralala | adios FunFusion, we'll miss ya (well we won't) |
| 12:50.53 | resiak | Hooray for greycat! |
| 12:51.07 | tralala | !prize greycat |
| 12:51.26 | asg | stew: sorry? |
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| 12:51.46 | Thu12331 | i had a discussion lately with a dude that chose ubuntu over debian because of politics (updates of packages etc)...what are your opinions about this? |
| 12:52.01 | tralala | I don't give a shit. |
| 12:52.13 | greycat | how is "updates of packages" political? |
| 12:52.46 | tralala | I wouldn't give a shit even if he had choosen wInXp over debian |
| 12:53.01 | Thu12331 | tralala, thanks for that usefull opinion |
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| 12:53.08 | penny | Thu12331, ? |
| 12:53.21 | tralala | Thu12331: my pleasure |
| 12:53.32 | nvz | skate: the cops are always watching me, its their job. and they are not that creative or willing to work that hard. all they want is drugs and they arent afraid to come and get em |
| 12:53.42 | Thu12331 | he said debian was too conservative with releases updates for packages etc |
| 12:53.55 | PerfDave | Thu12331: What's release policies got to do with politics? |
| 12:54.12 | greycat | and why are you trolling us? |
| 12:54.25 | PerfDave | Thu12331: One of the reasons I use Debian is that it seems to be the distro most concerned with not getting its users sued. But that's secondary to the fact that it's the best distro I've used on a technical level too. |
| 12:54.26 | penny | nvz, why the cops are always watching you? |
| 12:54.34 | skate | nice |
| 12:54.36 | Thu12331 | geez, just wanted some debian opinions about the subject |
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| 12:54.40 | fatal_ | Thu12331: basically, all you'll get from people in here is "I might not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend your right to say it with my life".... noone's interested in a distro war. |
| 12:54.45 | fatal_ | !start a distro war |
| 12:54.45 | dpkg | SuSE rocks! |
| 12:54.46 | boycer | Thu12331: Aha - I think he's using the abstract concept of 'choice' there... |
| 12:54.52 | greycat | well, except dpkg. |
| 12:54.53 | skate | ask the cops why my speakers always pop when i mix digital music files at the lowest latency setting |
| 12:55.27 | skate | shit is annoying |
| 12:55.39 | umbop | has anyone here setup cups-pdf ? |
| 12:55.47 | fatal_ | !anyone use |
| 12:55.47 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 12:56.04 | Thu12331 | i did not want to instigate a distro war, just wondering if that critique was valid |
| 12:56.04 | umbop | ok can anyone help wiht cups-pdf, and getting it to work |
| 12:56.19 | nvz | penny: small town. I'm heavily involved in politics.. they like to _try_ to fuck with me whenever they can. Though there's really nothing they can do. My friend donald lives 2 blocks away he's the constable and by friend bob lives 3 blocks away and he's the judge. My father and I gave him his job. We fuckin gift wrapped that campaign for him. |
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| 12:56.26 | fatal_ | Thu12331: yeah, we all think debian sucks. happy now? :) |
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| 12:56.40 | boycer | Thu12331: it's a personal choice isn't it? So it must be. It's valid for him, and that's all that matters. |
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| 12:56.52 | greycat | Thu12331: it might help if you'd give something more concrete. Like, "I follow sid and I was very upset that it took N weeks for KDE version 3.4 to make it into sid." |
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| 12:57.53 | Thu12331 | my myself dont have a real opinion on whether the one is better than the other...i was just hearing this guy tell me why he stepped off debian... |
| 12:57.56 | Thu12331 | but nm |
| 12:58.28 | penny | nvz, I can say nothing |
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| 12:59.21 | fatal_ | Thu12331: If you're looking for reasons to not use debian try #redhat, #gentoo, #whatever.... :P |
| 12:59.33 | asg | Thu12331: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 13:00.32 | tralala | I bet if you google for "why choose debian" and "why not choose debian" you'll get pretty much all pros and cons |
| 13:01.08 | Thu12331 | walking on eggshells is tiresome |
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| 13:01.13 | PerfDave | greycat: OOI, do you have any problems with rtorrent ignoring bandwidth caps, or at least not working "properly" with them? Mine seems to cap uploads at about half of what I set as the cap, and downloads at double. |
| 13:01.35 | Caelum | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.39 | greycat | PerfDave: mine goes a bit over, but not excessively. I haven't used it *that* much. |
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| 13:02.14 | PerfDave | greycat: Fair enough. I was trying to download assloads of stuff, set the cap to 40KiB/sec and it was maxing out my connection at 60. |
| 13:02.33 | PerfDave | greycat: Then again, I've got it to report >100 which is faster than the theoretical maximum capacity of my line, so I think something odd is up ;) |
| 13:03.29 | greycat | PerfDave: I don't bother with *download* caps... I only care about upload. |
| 13:03.50 | nvz | penny: police don't like politicians. around here anyhow police are the geeks and loosers that got picked on their whole life and then become cops. The only people who can spoil their fun are the politicians |
| 13:03.57 | PerfDave | greycat: I like to do other things with my connection ;) |
| 13:04.12 | greycat | I just don't download very much, really. |
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| 13:04.44 | tralala | I love to download debain dvd images |
| 13:05.21 | PerfDave | !debain |
| 13:05.21 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 13:05.44 | Ulcus | I want to send utf-8 characters but the reciever only sees a question mark. Similarily when I am supposed to recieve utf-8 characters all I get is a question mark. So... is this a hidden server option that must be set or just normal user stupidity? |
| 13:05.48 | tralala | but since I'm heavily firewalled I use jidgo |
| 13:05.59 | tralala | hah :) |
| 13:06.09 | PerfDave | greycat: Well, I've set my upload cap to 10KiB/sec and am seeing ~15 being used currently. |
| 13:06.13 | tralala | I meant debina, really :) |
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| 13:06.40 | miag | !debina |
| 13:06.40 | dpkg | hmm... debina is debian when you're typing too fast, or see "debain" |
| 13:06.46 | greycat | PerfDave: yeah, it tends to go over. I haven't seen it go over by 50% like that, but I've certainly seen 20%. |
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| 13:07.16 | tralala | !irritate miag |
| 13:07.17 | dpkg | miag: wenas who uses dvd thx |
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| 13:07.42 | miag | dpkg: i see ;P |
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| 13:07.58 | J_P | people, sarge for amd64 is ready ? |
| 13:08.07 | PerfDave | J_P: Define "ready"? |
| 13:08.08 | penny | nvz, you are wrong |
| 13:08.13 | PerfDave | J_P: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 13:08.21 | J_P | PerfDave: ok |
| 13:08.25 | tralala | J_P: yes, but it's unofficial |
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| 13:08.34 | tralala | the first official amd64 will be etch |
| 13:08.37 | penny | nvz, the cops like that |
| 13:08.39 | J_P | PerfDave: i like change my server of intell to amd64 |
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| 13:09.30 | PerfDave | J_P: You do realise that you'll need to buy new hardware for that, right? You can't just install amd64 on a 32-bit Intel processor ;) |
| 13:09.49 | eps | the downloads page where floppy images for the net install are ment to be links to the manual |
| 13:09.50 | kenboo | i'm inclined to get a Turion laptop.. |
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| 13:10.18 | J_P | PerfDave: why ? |
| 13:10.33 | PerfDave | J_P: Because it won't work? |
| 13:10.36 | rikva | Hi folks, my server says /dev/null is access denied. I think this is the reason that sshd doesn't start anymore. Any suggestions? |
| 13:10.55 | asg | rikva: check that /dev/null exists and has the correct permissions |
| 13:11.17 | kenboo | mine is crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Aug 13 00:53 /dev/null |
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| 13:11.24 | rikva | asg: brb (i need to run to my server, cos ssh doesn't work) |
| 13:11.29 | tralala | J_P: if you have 32bit intel processor don't bother looking at amd64 until you upgrade |
| 13:11.50 | J_P | tralala: but i can use amd as 32 bits |
| 13:11.58 | J_P | is x86_84 |
| 13:12.00 | J_P | 64 |
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| 13:12.14 | PerfDave | J_P: Yes, but the Debian amd64 distribution is compiled for 64-bit operation, and won't run on 32-bit processors. |
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| 13:12.42 | tralala | J_P: yes, but you cant use p4 as 64 bits |
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| 13:13.18 | J_P | tralala: I now but i use debian for 32 bits then PerfDave |
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| 13:13.37 | PerfDave | J_P: Yes, you can run 32-bit Debian, but not amd64 Debian, on your 32-bit CPU. |
| 13:13.44 | J_P | yes |
| 13:13.53 | tralala | J_P: again what processor do you have? |
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| 13:14.04 | J_P | 32 and 64 |
| 13:14.13 | tralala | brand and model, please |
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| 13:14.30 | J_P | Proc. Athlon 64 3200+ |
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| 13:14.37 | J_P | Proc. P4 775 3.2 GHz 800 HT Prescott BOX |
| 13:15.03 | poncho | Hello. |
| 13:15.04 | rikva | asg: what permissions should /dev/null have? |
| 13:15.10 | tralala | ok, so you will be able to rum amd64 sarge (unoffical release) on your Athlon |
| 13:15.17 | asg | rikva: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Mar 29 07:15 /dev/null |
| 13:15.25 | rikva | asg: thanks |
| 13:15.28 | J_P | tralala: you have amd64 ? |
| 13:15.34 | tralala | yes |
| 13:16.05 | J_P | tralala: amd64, amd64 x2 or amd64 opteron ? |
| 13:16.27 | tralala | athlon 64 3000+ |
| 13:16.45 | tralala | 1,8GHz |
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| 13:18.50 | DrZoot | anyone own a sony vaio VGNB77GP with linux on it?? |
| 13:19.13 | PerfDave | !anyone use |
| 13:19.13 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 13:20.25 | pepsi_ | I connected my usb-mp3-player, now I want to mount it and I bet its one of /dev/sd*. How do I figure out which one?! |
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| 13:20.31 | DrZoot | PerfDave: was that directed at my question? |
| 13:20.37 | tosh | what version should I install of nagios? is 2.x stable yet? |
| 13:20.53 | nkuttler | pepsi_: dmesg |
| 13:21.09 | jso | guys, info for the character # and ^ is not correct. octathorpe is not in the dict. |
| 13:21.11 | J_P | tralala: how many cache ? |
| 13:21.11 | tralala | !tell DrZoot -about linux laptop |
| 13:21.15 | Morphje_ | okay ... i feel a need to do some apologies... I recently installed sarge and grub wouldn't start. Started swearing at grub for a while. But the only problem was a jumper on that damn WD disc of mine, set to single it boots just fine, set to master (without a slave in this case) the bios detects the disc and sarge installs (including grub) but the bios will fail to boot from the disc |
| 13:21.43 | tralala | J_P: 512 iirc but what does it have to do with debian? |
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| 13:21.58 | jso | what about the name for '|'? |
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| 13:22.08 | Teufel | how do you tell how much space you are using on a drive again? |
| 13:22.12 | Guerin | jso: pipe |
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| 13:22.13 | pepsi_ | nkuttler: thx |
| 13:22.14 | PerfDave | J_P: octothorpe may not be in *your* dictionary... |
| 13:22.17 | PerfDave | Teufel: df |
| 13:22.20 | Morphje_ | Teufel: df |
| 13:22.21 | jso | Guerin, thks. |
| 13:22.27 | Teufel | thanks guys |
| 13:22.31 | Morphje_ | :) |
| 13:23.05 | Teufel | is there a way to have df tell you in like certain types? like GB? or just figure it out? |
| 13:23.13 | PerfDave | Teufel: man df |
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| 13:23.16 | fas3r | hi all |
| 13:23.29 | saloxin | J_P: dict octothorpe |
| 13:23.31 | Morphje_ | Teufel: there are lots of options in the manual |
| 13:23.38 | Teufel | heh ok I forget that I can read about stuff ;) sorry and thanks PerfDave |
| 13:23.38 | fas3r | anybody use atitvout ? |
| 13:23.39 | Morphje_ | and yes it is in there |
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| 13:24.03 | DrZoot | tralala: dont know wether your responsible for what that bot says but of the 3 sites it lists 1 is down (utexas) one has been litigated (mobilix) and the other one ..... works :) |
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| 13:24.24 | Mortalman | I just installed a dialup modem on sarge and I havn't used a modem in years. Anyone know how I would go about testing it to see if it's responding ?? |
| 13:24.47 | tralala | DrZoot: well, the info could be a bit out of date |
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| 13:24.56 | tralala | still you have at least one working |
| 13:25.01 | stew | asg: somene messed up a factoid and i at frist mistakenly thought it was you, nm |
| 13:25.01 | saloxin | Mortalman: wvdial used to rock |
| 13:25.10 | fas3r | do u know if it's necesary to add a section in the XFconfig84 files for the tv out .. ??? |
| 13:25.17 | green_earz | Morphje_: try the cdrom on ide 1 master and the hd on ide 2 master may help ?? |
| 13:25.26 | Morphje_ | green_earz: it works now |
| 13:25.27 | asg | stew: ah okay |
| 13:25.33 | Mortalman | saloxin: Yeah, but I don't want to dial anything. I just want to issue it a couple of AT commands. |
| 13:25.45 | saloxin | Mortalman: minicom? |
| 13:25.59 | Morphje_ | single setting on the disc (jumperless) and the cdrom on the ide1 |
| 13:26.05 | drac | fas3r: All drivers I know, just use TV settings in Section "Device".. |
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| 13:26.15 | Morphje_ | but it all works |
| 13:26.19 | Mortalman | saloxin: Tried that. Either I was doing it wrong or it just wasn't giving me an error. |
| 13:26.30 | Morphje_ | it was my own fault that i didn't check the correct jumper setting |
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| 13:26.42 | tralala | dpkg, linux laptop ~= s/mobilix.org/tuxmobil.org/ |
| 13:26.45 | saloxin | Mortalman: serial modem? setserial ok? |
| 13:26.48 | chadder | question: is there a way to evade isatty (to fake a terminal)? |
| 13:26.53 | tralala | dpkg, linux laptop is ~= s/mobilix.org/tuxmobil.org/ |
| 13:26.53 | dpkg | ...but linux laptop is already something else... |
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| 13:27.04 | jm_ | chadder: nohup |
| 13:27.52 | tralala | geez, I'm always forgetting the syntax |
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| 13:27.52 | stew | tralala: =~ not ~= |
| 13:28.01 | Mortalman | saloxin: Well, it's a PCI modem. Not sure what setserial is, but I'll look into it. |
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| 13:28.15 | jso | Guerin, pipe for '|' does not work. i'll tell you what i am doing. i am creating on-screen keyboard based on Gnome-Onscreen-Keyboard, GOK. To make characters appear on the screen, I have to creat an XML file with proper names for them. |
| 13:28.19 | saloxin | Mortalman: well, it's for serial port configuration :-/ |
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| 13:29.00 | jso | Right now, i can't get #, ^ and | to work. |
| 13:29.04 | Mortalman | hmm |
| 13:29.08 | nornagon | Package that tests a bunch of apt servers and tells you the fastest ones... not netselect |
| 13:29.15 | nornagon | Anyone know of such a package? |
| 13:29.19 | saloxin | Mortalman: i have not seen a pci modem that works. i hear they do exist, although most of these are winmodems and a world of pain |
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| 13:29.23 | stew | nornagon: apt-spy |
| 13:29.24 | chadder | jm_: thx, I'll give that a try |
| 13:29.28 | nornagon | stew: danke danke |
| 13:29.34 | stew | nornagon: nedakinde |
| 13:29.48 | jm_ | apt-spy - writes a sources.list file based on bandwidth tests |
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| 13:30.16 | Sleep33 | hello |
| 13:30.22 | Mortalman | saloxin: I used to have quite a few pci modems that worked. I just can't remember what I did to get them working. lol |
| 13:30.37 | Sleep33 | I'm wondering what command I can use to see what module my kerenel is currently using for my NIC |
| 13:30.58 | abrotman | lsmod ? |
| 13:31.03 | tralala | dpkg, linux laptop is =~ s/mobilix.org/tuxmobil.org/ |
| 13:31.03 | dpkg | tralala: i didn't have anything called 'linux laptop is' to modify |
| 13:31.11 | tralala | dpkg, linux laptop =~ s/mobilix.org/tuxmobil.org/ |
| 13:31.12 | dpkg | tralala: OK |
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| 13:31.19 | Sleep33 | abrotman: thanks |
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| 13:32.03 | cronic | I need some help mounting a network share on a win2k3 system. |
| 13:32.04 | xerophyte | if i add following to the host.deny file ALL: .com.br .net.br will that block all that ips |
| 13:32.05 | antgel | what is the point of remaining copyright holder for source licensed under gpl? as anyone can fork it etc. |
| 13:32.08 | cronic | Mount doesn't seem to work. |
| 13:32.42 | petemc | antgel: so no one else claims it, probably |
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| 13:33.00 | mjp | does anyone have any experience with using smarty? |
| 13:33.01 | antgel | petemc: so? |
| 13:33.05 | bibe | cronic : is it an "anonymous" share? |
| 13:33.14 | cronic | bibe: No and I am logging in as admin |
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| 13:33.34 | incorrect | does anyone know if a command line tool to check html for errors? |
| 13:33.47 | cronic | incorrect: VIM kind of does. |
| 13:33.55 | antgel | incorrect: not command line, but the validator at w3.org? |
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| 13:34.15 | incorrect | i need a command line tool |
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| 13:34.20 | incorrect | its for a script |
| 13:34.36 | cronic | I guess you could make some money if you can code one. :) |
| 13:34.36 | antgel | cronic: would it not help to paste the command and errors? |
| 13:34.47 | cronic | antgel: I wasn't sure if I could paste in here. :( |
| 13:34.56 | asg | incorrect: tidy |
| 13:34.59 | antgel | !topicsmite cronic |
| 13:35.00 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon cronic. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 13:35.10 | bibe | cronic : do you use 'mount -t smbfs -o username=admin,password=<admin_password> //<win2k3_ip>/<share_name> /mnt/<target>' ? |
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| 13:35.50 | Sleep33 | crap, it must not be built as a module. |
| 13:35.50 | cronic | Yes, Bibe. |
| 13:35.50 | abrotman | Sleep33: or not loaded |
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| 13:35.51 | Sleep33 | can anyone tell me how to view the hardware deteced on my system? |
| 13:35.52 | abrotman | Sleep33: lspci |
| 13:35.55 | abrotman | lsusb |
| 13:35.57 | Sleep33 | sweet, thanks |
| 13:35.57 | asg | Sleep33: dmesg, lspci, lsusb, etc. |
| 13:36.02 | bibe | cronic : you can paste errors to #paste |
| 13:36.06 | abrotman | asg: where have you been hiding? |
| 13:36.07 | stew | bibe: if you get some error about encryption use cifs, not smbfs |
| 13:36.13 | Sleep33 | it's on board, so it should show up on lspci |
| 13:36.13 | Kvant | Sleep33, and hwinfo |
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| 13:36.14 | asg | abrotman: I was on all day yesterday |
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| 13:36.21 | Sleep33 | hwinfo? that sounds handy |
| 13:36.23 | Sleep33 | thanks |
| 13:36.25 | abrotman | asg: i was at a client |
| 13:36.25 | bibe | cronic : sorry, #flood |
| 13:36.31 | asg | abrotman: other than that, I've been doing my Systems documentation |
| 13:36.35 | asg | abrotman: ah |
| 13:36.39 | abrotman | asg: i thought you had a lackey for they |
| 13:36.42 | abrotman | err for that |
| 13:36.49 | Sleep33 | sweet, lspci spat it right out |
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| 13:36.52 | abrotman | :cruch abrotman's fingers |
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| 13:36.58 | abrotman | :crush abrotman's fingers |
| 13:37.02 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 13:37.18 | abrotman | Sleep33: and what is it? |
| 13:37.18 | asg | abrotman: I have a lackey for some things but this involves systems that only I know so I'm doing full documentation so the lackeys can start doing more admin work. |
| 13:37.29 | asg | abrotman: more fun with LaTeX |
| 13:37.33 | Sleep33 | 0000:02:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| 13:37.34 | zulu42 | is there a xcompmgr package somewhere? (to play with true transparency?) |
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| 13:37.57 | green_earz | incorrect: have a look at aptitude show tidy may do the job ? |
| 13:38.06 | abrotman | asg: you're a sick sick man |
| 13:38.15 | asg | abrotman: actually, I'm rather enjoying it. |
| 13:38.17 | abrotman | zulu42: read the gravityboy blog .. no |
| 13:38.22 | abrotman | !xorg |
| 13:38.22 | dpkg | from memory, xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
| 13:38.26 | cronic | So what do you think bibe? |
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| 13:38.58 | abrotman | asg: last time i really messed with TeX .. i was at my internship writing PHP to generate C to generate TeX or some crap .. it was a nightmare :) |
| 13:39.15 | asg | abrotman: plus, since my Boss kept getting pissed that I sent him all my reports in POA, he now gets them as PDFs generated from TeX and is happy. |
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| 13:39.51 | zulu42 | thx abrotman |
| 13:39.51 | possie | with the cp command how can i only copy files that are changed ? e.g. i do a cp -a /foo /bar and later i do the same command i only want it to copy the new and changed files |
| 13:39.52 | abrotman | asg: you please your boss? .. what is wrong with you! |
| 13:40.12 | kenboo | possie, i'd use tar |
| 13:40.17 | asg | abrotman: if I don't, he'll try to make me use Word, and I can't have that. |
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| 13:40.24 | mjp | how do i create a 'fake' SSL certificate for apache 2.0.54? |
| 13:40.29 | kenboo | or find with cp |
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| 13:40.39 | stew | possie: have you looked at rsync? |
| 13:40.43 | abrotman | asg: take away his email .. he will cry |
| 13:40.45 | Rawplayer | :> |
| 13:40.59 | abrotman | possie: rsync |
| 13:41.04 | fatal_ | mjp: try googling for openssl self signed cert.... will probably give you some good hints... maybe throw apache into the mix too. |
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| 13:41.17 | abrotman | or cvs/svn/arch/darcs |
| 13:41.26 | positrix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:41.40 | asg | abrotman: he would fire me for that. He's a good guy but doesn't put up with bullshit. Fortunately, my machinations rarely involve him in any meaningful way. |
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| 13:42.04 | abrotman | asg: not even as a joke .. jeez .. what a pisser |
| 13:42.24 | asg | abrotman: his sense of humor exists but there isn't a light to tell you when it is on or off. |
| 13:42.41 | abrotman | asg: you should start spiking his coffree |
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| 13:42.48 | abrotman | !crush abrotman's fingers |
| 13:42.52 | newmanbe | 9/win 30 |
| 13:42.55 | newmanbe | Oops. |
| 13:43.00 | possie | stew: but it's possible with cp as well right? |
| 13:43.01 | asg | abrotman: nah, I'd rather spike my own |
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| 13:43.38 | Teufel | omg omg omg |
| 13:43.41 | abrotman | possie: rsync/VCS |
| 13:43.44 | stew | possie: i believe so, -u maybe? but rsync is better |
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| 13:43.48 | abrotman | Teufel: you're potty trained? |
| 13:44.24 | cronic | ef if I know. |
| 13:44.31 | Teufel | abrotman: adult diapers are teh pwn |
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| 13:45.28 | somePriest | Why doesn't install MCPAN not depend on the package ptknettools? It seems to depend on it to build anything, valid.t references it. |
| 13:46.02 | somePriest | Or I guess perhaps its module dependant. |
| 13:46.32 | vett | someone recall the name of the package that show an image on X (like the TV signal test) to help adjust the position and geometry of the monitor? |
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| 13:55.59 | cronic | bibe: Still getting that same error. I have no idea what's wrong. |
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| 13:58.01 | antgel | asking again as there might be different views this hour :) what is the point of remaining copyright holder for source licensed under gpl? as anyone can fork it etc. |
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| 13:59.56 | bibe | cronic : can you share an anonymous, no-spaces folder on that server and try to mount that? |
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| 14:01.16 | bibe | cronic : of course you have, at least, samba-common, smbclient and smbfs packages installed, sure? |
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| 14:01.18 | cronic | Sure, if there is a remote desktop program for linux. lol. |
| 14:01.22 | cronic | Yes I do. |
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| 14:01.41 | tralala | !lol |
| 14:01.41 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a kitten. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
| 14:01.44 | bibe | cronic : rdesktop |
| 14:01.47 | stew | antgel: you mean as opposed to assigning the copyright to someone else? |
| 14:01.56 | cronic | sweet |
| 14:01.57 | cronic | brb |
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| 14:02.53 | scenestar | hmmm |
| 14:03.00 | scenestar | good day |
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| 14:03.25 | scenestar | im sorry for this incredibally noob question, but does anyone know how i can startup gnome? |
| 14:03.39 | abrotman | apt-get install gnome gdm |
| 14:03.41 | cronic | Bibe: Now it says... "cli_negprot: SMB signing is mandatory and we have disabled it. |
| 14:03.42 | cronic | 28405: protocol negotiation failed |
| 14:03.42 | cronic | " |
| 14:03.42 | abrotman | err |
| 14:03.45 | abrotman | apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system |
| 14:03.53 | scenestar | ah thank you |
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| 14:04.02 | scenestar | i did apt-get install gnome |
| 14:04.14 | OneSeventeen | that will install gnome, if you already have it, did you install gdm? |
| 14:04.18 | bibe | cronic : no idea about that, try googling a bit |
| 14:04.25 | OneSeventeen | if so, I use /etc/init.d/gdm start |
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| 14:04.50 | abrotman | OneSeventeen: he didn't install X |
| 14:04.54 | scenestar | i though that would have been intalled during the base install |
| 14:04.57 | abrotman | OneSeventeen: he basically installed enough to run X remotely |
| 14:04.58 | scenestar | but sorry for that |
| 14:05.06 | abrotman | err X apps remotely |
| 14:05.20 | OneSeventeen | abrotman: ahh.. okay nvm |
| 14:05.37 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.44 | scenestar | thank you |
| 14:06.03 | scenestar | i just switched from ubuntu to debian |
| 14:06.11 | abrotman | scenestar: you get a cookie! |
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| 14:06.31 | scenestar | i'd rather apt-get a beer ;) |
| 14:06.31 | abrotman | i bet i thought that was funnier than the rest of you |
| 14:06.35 | abrotman | !beer scenestar |
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| 14:07.30 | awormus | what package is mod_auth_mysql |
| 14:07.41 | abrotman | what? |
| 14:07.43 | scenestar | isnt that in php? |
| 14:07.47 | abrotman | what package is it in? |
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| 14:07.51 | abrotman | !tell awormus about search |
| 14:07.58 | honschu | _/-=- ( May I serve you ? ) - =-_ |
| 14:08.01 | abrotman | scenestar: apache module |
| 14:08.06 | abrotman | honschu: i want eggs |
| 14:08.11 | resiak | !eggs abrotman |
| 14:08.28 | abrotman | why not? |
| 14:08.51 | abrotman | see .. an Immortal man wouldn't cry |
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| 14:09.12 | skate | an Immortal man wouldn't use dial up |
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| 14:09.24 | abrotman | why not .. he has forever to wait |
| 14:09.25 | Mortalman | lol |
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| 14:09.36 | skate | good point |
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| 14:09.48 | Mortalman | I don't use dialup. I want to make a voice/fax server. |
| 14:09.49 | sobersabre | hi.. |
| 14:09.57 | abrotman | Mortalman: have ISA slots? |
| 14:09.58 | alistair | hey, i have forgot the name of the app for KDE, it like shows how much space you have, ram, system info etc in GUI, anyone help me out? |
| 14:09.58 | sobersabre | i have selinux q... |
| 14:10.20 | Mortalman | abrotman: Not on any of my 12 PCs. lol |
| 14:10.21 | abrotman | where's PerfDave when you have silly questions about kde |
| 14:10.28 | sobersabre | is it possible via no coding, but configuting selinux to disable syscalls on per user basis ? |
| 14:10.30 | abrotman | Mortalman: well .. then you're in luck |
| 14:10.35 | scenestar | oh |
| 14:10.36 | scenestar | btw |
| 14:10.54 | sobersabre | skate, at least put the gerbil into a nylon bag before smacking me... |
| 14:10.57 | scenestar | does anyone of you have any past expeireince with the debian based black rhino linux? |
| 14:11.00 | Mortalman | abrotman: In luck? Don't you mean "shit out of luck"? |
| 14:11.03 | abrotman | Mortalman: http://www.usr.com/products/home/home-product.asp?sku=USR5610B |
| 14:11.11 | alistair | hey, i have forgot the name of the app for KDE, it like shows how much space you have, ram, system info etc in GUI, anyone help me out?, K tt or something.. :/ |
| 14:11.11 | abrotman | scenestar: the PS2 one? |
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| 14:11.32 | scenestar | abrotman: that is correct |
| 14:11.38 | eLeK | is there any download manager for gnome?? |
| 14:11.50 | abrotman | scenestar: never used it :) |
| 14:11.55 | abrotman | eLeK: gwget |
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| 14:12.02 | eLeK | ok thnx |
| 14:12.03 | Mortalman | abrotman: How will that help? I don't have a USR modem. |
| 14:12.06 | abrotman | alistair: ask #kde |
| 14:12.10 | abrotman | Mortalman: you can get one! :) |
| 14:12.27 | abrotman | Mortalman: it's a true hardware PCI modem |
| 14:12.37 | scenestar | shame, i was wondering if o could turn my ps2 in a media streamer |
| 14:12.42 | alistair | hey what is the name of the GUI program that gives you System stats on your desktop? |
| 14:12.44 | sobersabre | selinux... anybody .. ? |
| 14:12.44 | Harlock | hi. Someone can say me if by default in 3.1r0a in /etc/inputrc, the line with "# set bell-style none" has a final blank space, so if you uncomment it the bell keeps ringing? |
| 14:13.00 | Mortalman | abrotman: Well, I know I can get one. The point is that I don't have one now. lol |
| 14:13.01 | abrotman | scenestar: they might have thier own channel |
| 14:13.11 | abrotman | Mortalman: are you getting a fax in the next 10 minutes? |
| 14:13.19 | scenestar | hmmm |
| 14:13.31 | skate | sobresabre: there is an #selinux channel on this network |
| 14:13.33 | scenestar | i fucked up while configuring xwindow |
| 14:13.34 | scenestar | brb |
| 14:13.57 | scenestar | erhm |
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| 14:14.11 | Mortalman | abrotman: Not without a modem. lol |
| 14:14.11 | scenestar | is there a graphical uitlity to configure gdm? |
| 14:14.21 | scenestar | or can i just manually edit the conf files |
| 14:14.23 | Mortalman | abrotman: No, I'm just fscking around with stuff. |
| 14:14.23 | abrotman | Mortalman: then i guess you have time to get a nice hardware pci modem |
| 14:14.39 | abrotman | Mortalman: unless you're serious about it .. hylafax is too much trouble to be a fun adventure |
| 14:14.48 | somePriest | How do I add auth before SMTP when using a smarthost to update-exim4.conf? I've checked the man file, it doesn't seem to mention it. Looking through google didn't help me. |
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| 14:15.26 | petemc | somePriest: the man page wouldnt be much help, look in /usr/share/doc/exim4* |
| 14:15.36 | abrotman | or ask #exim ? |
| 14:15.43 | antgel | stew: well not really. i just wonder what the point is in having copyright, when anyone can fork the project. i need to find an idiot's guide to gpl, i reckon. |
| 14:15.45 | greycat | dpkg, qotd141 is <scenestar> is there a graphical uitlity to configure gdm? |
| 14:15.47 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 14:15.57 | petemc | the package maintainer is in #exim, so thats not a bad idea |
| 14:15.58 | flub | what's the danger of running exim in a chroot? |
| 14:16.07 | scenestar | fuck |
| 14:16.08 | Mortalman | abrotman: damn, All I really want is a kickass answering machine..... that I can do text to speech and have the messages IMed/emailed to me. Is that so much to ask? Wow, I need sleep. |
| 14:16.32 | abrotman | Mortalman: asterisk ? |
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| 14:16.49 | petemc | asterisk is *hard* |
| 14:16.58 | Mortalman | abrotman: Isn't that ISDN only? I find a lot of ISDN stuff. |
| 14:17.03 | abrotman | hylafax is *notsoft* |
| 14:17.05 | jethro | let's go shopping |
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| 14:17.09 | abrotman | !asterisk |
| 14:17.09 | dpkg | it has been said that asterisk is a VoIP phone system for linux. Very powerful very cool, or #asterisk-stable |
| 14:17.13 | Mortalman | btw: Who the fuck uses ISDN anymore. lol |
| 14:17.18 | greycat | flub: it's really damned hard to deliver mail to mailboxes that are outside the chroot. |
| 14:17.19 | petemc | lots of people |
| 14:17.34 | abrotman | Mortalman: i went to a client last year who had a 56k-ish leased line .. to a mainframe |
| 14:17.40 | jethro | hah |
| 14:17.48 | Mortalman | wow |
| 14:17.52 | abrotman | granted .. they only had .. maybe 10 terminals |
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| 14:18.02 | abrotman | let's hear it for SNA gateway crap |
| 14:18.11 | flub | greycat: i don't really want to deliver mail. just want the chroot and svn-buildpackage pulls in exim on it |
| 14:18.13 | abrotman | and screenscraping! |
| 14:18.18 | Feyr-Wrk | is it just me or is sarge possibly the most unstable of the stable releases so far? |
| 14:19.00 | greycat | flub: so install the MTA you *do* want, even if that's just equivs's mta-local package. |
| 14:19.03 | greycat | jesus. |
| 14:19.17 | abrotman | call me by my first name |
| 14:19.21 | scenestar | well, since ive been on windows for the past 12 years |
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| 14:19.23 | Morphje_ | there is always something that questions me .... why does ispell need to be installed per default ? i've never used it on a server |
| 14:19.28 | alistair | hey what is the name of the GUI program that gives you System stats on your desktop? |
| 14:19.32 | scenestar | sarge is one of the most stable things ive seen in a lifetyme |
| 14:19.46 | asg | alistair: gkrellm |
| 14:19.53 | alistair | thanks! |
| 14:20.02 | Feyr-Wrk | lets see, ppp is bugged, apache 1.3 is bugged, proftpd is bugged, xargs (findutils) is bugged, and i've even had a kernel crash. doesn't look very "stable" to me :) |
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| 14:20.28 | Ronin | Feyr-Wrk: sure its not your machine? rock solid on my machines |
| 14:20.43 | Feyr-Wrk | on 3 different machines? i seriously doubt it |
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| 14:20.55 | abrotman | Feyr-Wrk: are you running a -686 kernel on your athlons? |
| 14:20.56 | Feyr-Wrk | two of them which are brand new, and working fine with woody |
| 14:20.59 | Feyr-Wrk | no |
| 14:21.16 | flub | greycat: but i don't want an MTA on the chroot, how will it interfere with my real MTA outside the chroot? thats more of the question i think |
| 14:21.21 | Mortalman | Feyr-Wrk: Same hardware on each pc? |
| 14:21.23 | abrotman | dunno .. i've got sarge in many places .. pretty damn stable for me |
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| 14:21.24 | Feyr-Wrk | no |
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| 14:21.55 | abrotman | and many different kinds of hardware .. from laptop to Quad CPU servers |
| 14:22.14 | somePriest | I notice that /usr/sbin/sendmail doesn't point to exim4 when exim4 is installed on Debian. Is this usual? |
| 14:22.21 | WodanTJ | Hi, just wondering; Does Firefox act weird to you too in latest sarge latest security update? I can't install extensions at all from a fresh install. |
| 14:22.54 | abrotman | extensions? |
| 14:23.01 | alistair | what is the program called to open up a transperant konsole.. i forgot it./ |
| 14:23.14 | abrotman | dude .. ask #kde |
| 14:23.16 | petemc | alistair: any console that supports transparency |
| 14:23.25 | petemc | oh, konsole |
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| 14:23.31 | nkuttler | alistair: aterm, eterm, maybe more |
| 14:23.34 | Feyr-Wrk | still, hardware doesn't explain the bugs in the packages. the xargs bug was even checked by some people here |
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| 14:23.35 | alistair | that is it |
| 14:23.39 | skate | alistair: konsole has built in transparency |
| 14:23.43 | skate | it's in the menu |
| 14:23.43 | zakame | where do I ask for arch-buildpackage questions? |
| 14:23.49 | abrotman | Feyr-Wrk: and it's in the BTS ? |
| 14:24.04 | petemc | Feyr-Wrk: what are you driving at? wouldnt you time be better spent helping fix bugs than in here discussing them? |
| 14:24.07 | Feyr-Wrk | haven't checked |
| 14:24.19 | abrotman | you haven't checked .. you just come here and bitch? |
| 14:24.26 | WodanTJ | abrotman: Like webdeveloper tools (go to your Tools-menu and check out extensions |
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| 14:24.41 | abrotman | WodanTJ: uhm .. you mean the javascript console? |
| 14:24.47 | Feyr-Wrk | no, i just happen to be here when i get bit by one |
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| 14:25.09 | petemc | Feyr-Wrk: is it reproducable? report it |
| 14:25.09 | WodanTJ | abrotman: no "Tools" comes after "Bookmarks". |
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| 14:25.18 | WodanTJ | abrotman: And then Extensions |
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| 14:25.21 | abrotman | dunno .. i use proftpd .. xargs ... ppp ... kernels .. all seem fine to me |
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| 14:25.26 | Gul3 | hello. i try to unrar a 2GB rar file, but unrar leavs me a CRC failed message.. what does that mean, and what do i do? |
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| 14:25.40 | abrotman | WodanTJ: oh .. i don't use those .. |
| 14:25.42 | WodanTJ | Gul3: your rar-file is corrupt perhaps? |
| 14:25.49 | WodanTJ | abrotman: i do, alot =) |
| 14:26.01 | abrotman | or you have a crappy filesystem that can't support more than 2GB .. or your mom is trying to delete your porn |
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| 14:26.16 | Gul3 | WodanTJ: any way i can figure that out |
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| 14:26.49 | Gul3 | abrotman: ext3 should do? |
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| 14:27.33 | s0n1 | hi |
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| 14:27.51 | s0n1 | what command i use for install bootslaph in my debian ? |
| 14:27.53 | s0n1 | i use grub |
| 14:28.30 | abrotman | Gul3: afaik .. yes |
| 14:28.33 | HCTC | I just burnt my debian DVD iso's without a problem with alcohol 120%. Does anyone know why I couldent do it with nero? |
| 14:29.01 | mbc | No idea |
| 14:29.13 | Anthro | I'm VNC'd into my X server at home (since I'm on Windows at work), but my wife just sat down at my computer and started using it. What's a good way to pop up a chat window of some sort so I can tell her what's going on (and so she can talk back)? I can use my ssh terminal on my end. |
| 14:29.27 | Gul3 | abrotman: the file is just junk you mean? |
| 14:29.48 | abrotman | Gul3: it's nto my file .. i don't use RAR |
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| 14:30.51 | philiKON | question for /usr/bin/make gurus: how do i repeat a certain command for each file in a wildcard? |
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| 14:33.13 | abrotman | pseubodot!!! |
| 14:33.22 | Anthro | philiKON: If you are willing to use GNU make extensions you can use $(foreach $(wildcard ...)) |
| 14:33.35 | philiKON | yeah, i know about $(foreach ...) |
| 14:33.40 | Anthro | philiKON: I recommend looking at the GNU make info pages. |
| 14:33.52 | philiKON | but isn't $(foreach ...) only useful when constructing variables? |
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| 14:34.13 | philiKON | e.g. $(FILES) = $(foreach $(wildcard *xml)) or something |
| 14:34.44 | Anthro | philiKON: What are you trying to do? You want a command doing something in a rule? |
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| 14:35.08 | philiKON | i have a spellcheck: rule |
| 14:35.20 | philiKON | inside that rule i need aspell to be executed for every file in a wildcard |
| 14:35.41 | stew | philiKON: then you could: xargs -n1 dosomething $(FILES) |
| 14:35.47 | philiKON | d'h |
| 14:35.48 | philiKON | xargs |
| 14:35.51 | philiKON | of course |
| 14:35.59 | philiKON | thanks stew :) |
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| 14:36.16 | Kerr | what are the blue fish for in tuxkart? |
| 14:36.47 | Anthro | philiKON: You're going about it wrong. You are better off making spellcheck depend on some manipulation of the files (e.g. a unique prefix) and making a rule that matches the unique prefix, strips it off, and runs aspell on it. |
| 14:37.05 | stew | i agree with Anthro |
| 14:37.24 | philiKON | Anthro, well, what good does that do? |
| 14:37.35 | philiKON | how would it remember the manipulation of the files? |
| 14:37.51 | philiKON | i wouldn't want those prefix files to be created |
| 14:38.11 | Anthro | philiKON: It lets make do the work for you, instead of circumventing it. And the prefix files wouldn't be created, just referenced. |
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| 14:38.33 | deepz | i have a 3com wireles usb nic |
| 14:38.38 | deepz | how do i install it |
| 14:38.58 | stew | deepz: depends on the chipset |
| 14:38.59 | deepz | i am not able to understand if i plug that has the OS found it or not |
| 14:39.19 | deepz | i am using sarge 2.4 kernel |
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| 14:39.40 | philiKON | Anthro, right, so they are referenced. but the actual checking whether the original files have been maniuplated or not won't happen. because there are no files to check against. the rules would always be executed for every file |
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| 14:39.45 | philiKON | so, i can just as well use xargs |
| 14:40.01 | Anthro | philiKON: spellcheck: $(prefix spellcheckbitch_,$(VAR)) |
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| 14:40.03 | deepz | Stew:which chipset |
| 14:41.02 | philiKON | Anthro, i know. but now i need a spellcheckbitch_% rule. doesn't make things easier |
| 14:41.05 | Anthro | philiKON: spellcheckbitch_*: % \n aspell % |
| 14:41.21 | deepz | Stew:???? |
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| 14:41.22 | Anthro | philiKON: It doesn't make things easier, but it makes things cleaner in make terms. |
| 14:41.34 | Anthro | philiKON: Sorry about the syntax, it's been a while. |
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| 14:42.00 | philiKON | i'm not a make fetishist |
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| 14:42.14 | philiKON | i need to go back in 6 months and still be able to understandt his |
| 14:42.16 | philiKON | :) |
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| 14:42.38 | umbop | hey guys, i'm trying to print using cups, but through acrobat reader, and it says printer command: /usr/bin/lp now i've put -dPRINTERNAME where printername is the name of hte printer i setup through the cups admin front end, however when i print nothign happens, i've tested lp -dPrintername file and that works fine, however, i'm not sure how i am suppose to get it to print? I installed cups-pdf, but the docs say i should be able to choose (pdf) printer when |
| 14:42.38 | umbop | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.04 | Anthro | philiKON: Ah, but you should be. When you start learning the more advanced aspects of any system, you should immerse yourself and learn how to use it well. If you understand it deeply, you won't lose the concepts when you haven't seen it for a while, just the syntax. |
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| 14:44.01 | scenestar | hmmm |
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| 14:44.40 | scenestar | does anyone know what the driver i should use for the nvidea geforce go 5100 for gdm? |
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| 14:45.13 | moya | why fails creating a hard link to a directory, even as root? is that configurable ? |
| 14:45.31 | Gathond | moya: iirc you cant hardlink anything but files |
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| 14:45.56 | Gathond | moya: if you need directories several places use mount -o bind |
| 14:46.10 | moya | Gathond: ok |
| 14:46.20 | vett | umbop: IIRC, cups-pdf is to create pdf files from documents |
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| 14:46.34 | u__ | yo, i have a question. i'm interested in installing debian, i'm not sure which dist to use. what would everybody recommend to an advanced user, keep in mind i don't want to be constantly dealing with problems with the packages. |
| 14:46.39 | u__ | is testing a good choice? |
| 14:46.59 | vett | u__: not right now |
| 14:47.11 | u__ | you would recommend stable then? |
| 14:47.29 | umbop | hmm |
| 14:47.37 | umbop | vett, how do i print a pdf then? |
| 14:47.51 | u__ | will i be stuck with an older kernel if i run stable, or can i manually integrate a newer kernel into the os package system easily |
| 14:47.54 | Ronin | definatly, its a mere 2ish months old u__, stable relatively up to date |
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| 14:48.04 | u__ | ronin: thanks |
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| 14:48.21 | streuner | u__: you can use every kernel you want in stable |
| 14:48.23 | skate | u__: the sarge net install image gives you the option to install with the 2.6 kernel |
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| 14:48.37 | thebug | any NIS + PAM gurus? I need to get /etc/pam.d/passwd set up so that users can change their NIS passwords from the linux machines, and I'm not having any luck with it |
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| 14:48.56 | vett | umbop: have you tried to use "lp %s" as command to print? |
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| 14:49.10 | umbop | vett, nope let me try |
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| 14:49.54 | otel | Question: I want to set up a chroot-ed environment (e.g. for apache). Any idea how can I e.g. "apt-get -t stable install apache" in a chroot |
| 14:50.05 | otel | . |
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| 14:50.42 | otel | Question: |
| 14:50.48 | otel | Question: I want to set up a chroot-ed environment (e.g. for apache). Any idea how can I e.g. "apt-get -t stable install apache" in a chroot env ? |
| 14:50.58 | otel | w/o the need of smth like debootstrap |
| 14:51.16 | otel | In a way I want all dependecies resolved against a chrooted pkg database |
| 14:51.46 | otel | TIA for any help |
| 14:52.26 | otel | Anyone ? |
| 14:52.28 | vett | otel: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-apache-env.en.html&ei=GdsNQ-m0LrSgQeuu5asF |
| 14:52.50 | vett | otel: first hit from google |
| 14:52.56 | otel | hmm |
| 14:53.10 | otel | lemme check, I've already done a bit of googling on that .. |
| 14:53.54 | vett | otel: this is what i've searched: "debian configuring apache chroot" |
| 14:54.11 | otel | well, that is for apach |
| 14:54.13 | otel | +e |
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| 14:54.28 | otel | I am intrested as a _general_ solution |
| 14:54.31 | otel | not only apache |
| 14:54.36 | otel | e.g. for emacs, or whatever. |
| 14:54.52 | vett | otel: ah, ok |
| 14:54.55 | otel | sort of a "common prefix" for all programs |
| 14:54.55 | bibe | otel : apt-get install harden-doc |
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| 14:55.30 | streuner | vett: what version of debian are you running actually? |
| 14:55.55 | otel | bibe: That's just the debian pkg for the above google link, not helping. |
| 14:56.06 | vett | streuner: Sid, why? |
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| 14:56.15 | streuner | vett: only sid? |
| 14:56.26 | otel | So far I considered using debootstrap and remove all un-essential packages |
| 14:56.28 | bibe | otel: yes, but it suggests how to get a program to run inside a chrooted environment |
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| 14:57.31 | morbius`wk | should i be using bind9 for DNS? |
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| 14:57.46 | otel | bibe: It sure does, but it does not address my question |
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| 14:58.18 | otel | which is: convincing apt-get to install (and resolve all dependencies) against a common prefix /prefixed pkg database |
| 14:58.30 | otel | diff kettle of soup |
| 14:58.33 | vett | streuner: i've another with Sarge, i think |
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| 14:58.46 | bibe | otel: of course you can make it much simpler installing debootstrap in a chrooted environment, then apt-get'ing all the packages you need |
| 14:58.49 | streuner | vett: you think? |
| 14:58.57 | Guilo | hi all |
| 14:59.27 | otel | bibe: The problem with that is that you have to first chroot, and _then_ run apt-get from the chroot-ed environment |
| 14:59.56 | otel | Problem is I don't want to install dpkg / apt-get & co in that environment. |
| 14:59.58 | vett | streuner: it's a pc i don't use, probably it's running Sarge now |
| 15:00.19 | streuner | vett: hm, why do think testing is no good to use at all atm? |
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| 15:00.41 | bibe | otel: sorry, did not catch that from your previous messages. probably i missed something |
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| 15:00.46 | otel | but apparently that's the only solution I can think of... |
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| 15:01.10 | otel | hm |
| 15:01.12 | otel | anyway |
| 15:01.21 | vett | streuner: should i suggest to people here to run testing? |
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| 15:01.25 | otel | thanks for all help |
| 15:01.26 | otel | later |
| 15:02.10 | cahoot | vett: that's a matter on which opinions here differ a lot |
| 15:02.18 | streuner | vett: well, if you don't even run testing and tell people its no good, what do you think its better then? |
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| 15:04.29 | wireddd | how stable is sid? |
| 15:04.47 | zinx | as far as packages go? they break all the time. they're broken right now. |
| 15:04.53 | streuner | wireddd: its called unstable ;-) |
| 15:04.58 | wireddd | yeah I know |
| 15:05.08 | streuner | ok, what's the question then? |
| 15:05.11 | jsn | My question: I want to convert html to .abi format, saving as much of the (mostly tables) layout as possible. dpkg -l *2abi* yields nothing. |
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| 15:06.00 | Gathond | jsn: try apt-cache search instead, dpkg -l only lists information about packages that have already been instaled |
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| 15:06.49 | streuner | wireddd: /msg apt sid faq |
| 15:07.05 | jsn | apt-cache search "2abi" yields nothing, also. |
| 15:07.07 | philiKON | Anthro, btw, i ended up doing it like you suggested because it does have one advantage: do spellcheck an individual file, i can now simply do "make spellcheck_foobar.txt" |
| 15:07.55 | streuner | wireddd: /topic |
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| 15:09.49 | wireddd | streuner, what? |
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| 15:10.28 | streuner | wireddd: If you have to ask, just stay away from unstable. |
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| 15:11.50 | abrotman | wireddd: it breaks .. right now .. uhm .. i think KDE can't be easily installed .. GCC4 is breaking shit left and right .. and Xorg is still working kinks out .. sound like fun to you? |
| 15:12.12 | wireddd | only if you enjoy debugging |
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| 15:12.43 | streuner | it is |
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| 15:15.22 | wireddd | i really want to upgrade kde to unstable, but now doesn't sound like a good time.... |
| 15:15.41 | scenestar | ok |
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| 15:15.54 | scenestar | i fscked up the initial setup of gdm |
| 15:16.00 | scenestar | is there any way i can fix it now ? |
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| 15:16.42 | jsn | I was surprised, by x.org update worked OK for me, and I'm on powerpc |
| 15:17.09 | wireddd | you could always reinstall it scenestar |
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| 15:17.48 | scenestar | wireddd: offcourse i could, but i wanna learn from it |
| 15:18.19 | scenestar | so far switching to debian on my laptop has been like installing windows 3.11 back in 1994 |
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| 15:18.49 | wireddd | so whats the problem? |
| 15:18.50 | mjp | does apache come with mod_ssl installed by default or do i need to explicitly set it? |
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| 15:19.19 | scenestar | well, i have no drivers, it crashes on startup, and my touch pad isnt recognized |
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| 15:19.44 | wireddd | ok so x is crashing |
| 15:19.46 | streuner | apt, info apache-ssl |
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| 15:20.08 | streuner | mjp: apt-get install apache-ssl? |
| 15:20.14 | wireddd | do you know what video chipset your laptop has? |
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| 15:20.37 | scenestar | wireddd: its a nvidea geforce fx go 5100 |
| 15:20.48 | scenestar | and i have a syanaptics touchpad |
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| 15:21.24 | wireddd | well you can use the 'nv' driver |
| 15:21.45 | scenestar | let me google that |
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| 15:22.00 | wireddd | the file you need to go through is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 15:22.21 | scenestar | well, im not sure if that will work |
| 15:22.31 | scenestar | the fx go is a mobile gpu |
| 15:22.38 | scenestar | its allready a bitch to find drivers for windows |
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| 15:23.26 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 15:24.03 | Sleep33 | hello |
| 15:24.56 | wireddd | scenestar yeah I just google around a bit and your not the only one having problems with it |
| 15:25.17 | Sleep33 | the package selction under dselect on this machine is all screwed up (it wants to basically remove about 200 packages currently installed). Is there any way to clear out the selections on dselect> |
| 15:25.19 | Sleep33 | ? |
| 15:26.01 | Sleep33 | at the moment there should be no changes in the selected packages, no additions or subtractions |
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| 15:26.44 | RvGaTe | Question, kinda non debian related... Does anyone know if there is a Sega Saturn emulator with Sonic on it ? (or at least allot of known sega games) for windows ?? :) |
| 15:27.10 | Sleep33 | well, you use an emulator to play the roms |
| 15:27.18 | Sleep33 | you would have to obtain an emulator, and then obtain the rom |
| 15:27.24 | mjp | is apache-ssl completely independent from apache? |
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| 15:27.44 | Sleep33 | apache-ssl is apache built with ssl if I am not mistaken, one or the other |
| 15:27.57 | Sleep33 | if you want ssl go with apache-ssl |
| 15:28.18 | mjp | is it exclusively ssl or will it work with clear as well? |
| 15:28.18 | RvGaTe | Sleep33: do you know any good sites for roms then? |
| 15:28.37 | Sleep33 | RvGaTe: no, don't ask those kinds of questions, especialy not here |
| 15:28.50 | RvGaTe | well, i already did :( :P |
| 15:28.51 | Sleep33 | mjp: will work with clear |
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| 15:29.14 | mjp | Sleep33: thanks. |
| 15:29.21 | Sleep33 | it's just built with the extras, you don't necessarily have to use them |
| 15:29.30 | Sleep33 | but be warned, it may have extra configuration you need to deal with |
| 15:30.06 | Sleep33 | ssl is known to be bitchy, and apache configuration is fucked as well |
| 15:30.22 | Sleep33 | if this is your first time working with apache it may be best to just go for the normal packages |
| 15:30.36 | Sleep33 | unless of course you see an immediate need for ssl |
| 15:30.51 | mjp | i do |
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| 15:30.57 | Sleep33 | then go for it |
| 15:31.04 | mjp | i'm installing a dev version of a corporate ecommerce site |
| 15:31.12 | mjp | which uses ssl as the payment gateway |
| 15:31.31 | Sleep33 | careful, just because you have ssl installed doesn't mean your apache config is clean and secure |
| 15:31.43 | FlopsyPete | I'm investigating setting up a LTSP server. the Debian package for it has zero documentation and the program for setting it up (ltspcfg) says I need to be root, despite me being root |
| 15:31.59 | mjp | yeah - it doesn't need to be secure as much on the dev machine, it's just for testing. the live environment has been penetration tested |
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| 15:32.22 | Sleep33 | mjp: that's good |
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| 15:32.44 | Sleep33 | FlopsyPete: that sounds like an awsome setup program there |
| 15:32.52 | bibe | mjp : try http://www.ianmiller.net/article.php?id=13 |
| 15:33.07 | Sleep33 | FlopsyPete: wait, are you doing sudo ltspcfg? |
| 15:33.11 | mjp | bibe: thanks, will do. |
| 15:33.20 | FlopsyPete | Sleep33: no, su |
| 15:33.30 | Sleep33 | FlopsyPete: ok, got me |
| 15:33.38 | scenestar | actually, mod_ssl is a huge security hole on windows |
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| 15:33.43 | scenestar | its rather easy to exploit |
| 15:33.46 | FlopsyPete | Sleep33: its orphaned too |
| 15:34.29 | wireddd | if your going to use apache why run windows? |
| 15:34.30 | Sleep33 | ok, I'll ask my question one more time: anybody know how I can clear out the current selections on dselect? the selections got all fucked up and I want to restor them to normal (IE currently no additions or removals, what is installed stays that way) |
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| 15:34.54 | scenestar | wireddd: a friend of mine runs an"adult entertainment" site |
| 15:35.01 | scenestar | he NEEDs windows for his live streams |
| 15:35.05 | Sleep33 | FlopsyPete: what is ltsp by the way? |
| 15:35.19 | FlopsyPete | Sleep33: Linux Terminal Server Project |
| 15:35.27 | skate | scenestar: give me a password to that site |
| 15:35.37 | Sleep33 | scenestar: and you can't feed the stream through a secondary server running linux/apache? |
| 15:35.51 | Sleep33 | FlopsyPete: Dumb terminals? |
| 15:36.02 | abrotman | !eat FlopsyPete |
| 15:36.08 | scenestar | tried that, but he has been traumatised by linux back in 1996 |
| 15:36.19 | OneSeventeen | What is a good apt-get line I could use to install Apache, MySQL, and PHP5 using the dotdeb servers? |
| 15:36.23 | abrotman | Sleep33: man dpkg |
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| 15:36.29 | FlopsyPete | Sleep33: yeah |
| 15:36.31 | abrotman | !tell OneSeventeen about php4 |
| 15:36.32 | abrotman | !tell OneSeventeen about php5 |
| 15:36.37 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: why? |
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| 15:36.45 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: you're flopsy? |
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| 15:37.11 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: thats not a proper question. what do you mean? |
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| 15:37.24 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: bugger all, dunno |
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| 15:37.45 | OneSeventeen | abrotman: that's why I mentioned dotdeb. PHP5 has been out over a year, and has been used in many production sites, I'm willing to switch distros to use it. |
| 15:37.47 | KatieB | I attempt to play a .rmvb file with realplayer and i get this error *unsupported document type* |
| 15:37.50 | KatieB | what am i doing wrong? |
| 15:37.51 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: then what are you being weird for? |
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| 15:38.11 | quoth | im running testing, how do I update to thunderbird 1.0.6? the maximum version in the apt tree is 1.0.2? |
| 15:38.12 | abrotman | OneSeventeen: i've heard mixed results using it .. it's in sid now and in dotdeb |
| 15:38.16 | abrotman | !info php5 etch |
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| 15:38.21 | mjp | is it wise to remove apache using apt-get remove apache and then install apache-ssl? |
| 15:38.26 | abrotman | !info mozilla-thunderbird etch |
| 15:38.28 | Daffy-PKF | if i installe ipmasq, and if i create a script to setup iptables in "/etc/ppp/ip-up.d", can i use "iptables -F" without risk? |
| 15:38.29 | Sleep33 | abrotman: I see no options for clearing or rebuilding the selections, just clearing or rebuilding the list of available packages |
| 15:38.31 | dpkg | mozilla-thunderbird: (Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.0.2-3 (etch), Packaged size: 11316 kB, Installed size: 33047 kB |
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| 15:38.37 | abrotman | quoth: wait ... |
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| 15:38.57 | abrotman | Sleep33: i thought i had seen one in there .. why .. what did you do to dpkg ? |
| 15:39.03 | quoth | abrotman wait for what exactly? :) |
| 15:39.07 | _joey | how do I mount windows share from linux ? |
| 15:39.13 | abrotman | !info mozilla-thunderbird sid |
| 15:39.14 | quoth | _joey man smbmount |
| 15:39.18 | dpkg | mozilla-thunderbird: (Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-3 (sid), Packaged size: 10387 kB, Installed size: 30800 kB |
| 15:39.19 | abrotman | _joey: samba .. #samba |
| 15:39.21 | OneSeventeen | abrotman: I've had great results in other distros, and the only thing I'm confused about is what packages to install so it talks with apache (aparently the libapache2-php5 stuff is still unstable, but libapache-php5 is available through dotdeb) |
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| 15:39.24 | abrotman | quoth: wait for that |
| 15:39.40 | quoth | abrotman so its optional... now what? |
| 15:39.40 | skel | if I have an xserve raid accessible from multiple blades, it it possible to mount the same partition from two different machines? |
| 15:39.43 | abrotman | OneSeventeen: libapache-php5 would be for apache1 |
| 15:39.47 | abrotman | quoth: wait |
| 15:39.57 | quoth | abrotman k |
| 15:39.59 | abrotman | OneSeventeen: are you running unstable? |
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| 15:40.05 | _joey | I am using smbmount -o username=user,password=pas //ip/share ./mnt and it fails on syntax |
| 15:40.08 | OneSeventeen | yeah, so I'm wondering if I should just uninstall apache2, and install apache1, I just don't want to miss any packages when using apt-get |
| 15:40.19 | abrotman | quoth: if all goes well .. it will be in testing in 2-10 days |
| 15:40.25 | KatieB | anyone? |
| 15:40.31 | quoth | abrotman ic |
| 15:41.01 | Daffy-PKF | can i use "iptables -F" without risk in a script i put in "/etc/ppp/ip-up.d" if i installed ipmasq package? |
| 15:41.18 | abrotman | #iptables .. much better place |
| 15:41.32 | abrotman | OneSeventeen: you could just apt-get install php5 .. and see what happens |
| 15:41.34 | Daffy-PKF | abrotman> thanks |
| 15:41.37 | zophyx | is sarge the current stable ? |
| 15:41.38 | Sleep33 | abrotman: changed the sources list, grabbed a package from an odd place, and forgot to update again before going back to package selection. Then when I exited package selection the next time and went to install I realized all the package selections were fucked up |
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| 15:41.59 | Sleep33 | abrotman: so I want to put it back to having whatever is installed as staying that way |
| 15:42.00 | abrotman | Daffy-PKF: at least about the iptables stuff .. the ppp stuff would be us :) |
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| 15:42.27 | abrotman | Sleep33: you can try putting the old status file back in place |
| 15:42.31 | _joey | tram tam tam |
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| 15:42.36 | _joey | I am using smbmount -o username=user,password=pas //ip/share ./mnt and it fails on syntax |
| 15:42.43 | _joey | how do I mount window share from linux ;) |
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| 15:43.23 | Sleep33 | abrotman: and where is this status file? |
| 15:43.33 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg probably |
| 15:43.35 | skel | _joey: try /mnt instead of ./mnt or the full path |
| 15:43.41 | abrotman | Sleep33: make sure you make a backup of your current one |
| 15:43.42 | OneSeventeen | abrotman: yeah, but the server doesn't execute php5 scripts, it still uses php4, and I've added AddType application/x-httpd-php5 .php5 to apache2.conf and the server doesn't execute .php5 scripts... |
| 15:43.58 | _joey | skel the same thing |
| 15:44.00 | skate | _joey: if you can start a gnome-session, nautilus has a built in samba client |
| 15:44.06 | sts | hey! |
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| 15:44.23 | sts | I'm trying to get tftp-hp up and running. |
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| 15:44.30 | _joey | params.c:Parameter() - Ignoring badly formed line in configuration file: ~ |
| 15:44.36 | skel | _joey: how about mount -t smbfs -o username=blah,pass=blah //whatever/share /mnt |
| 15:44.42 | _joey | skate I don't have gui install on this linux server |
| 15:44.48 | abrotman | OneSeventeen: i don't know why you'd do that .. you're loading the wrong .so probably |
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| 15:44.53 | skate | ugh never mind then |
| 15:44.56 | sts | when i try to connect to localhost 69 i get: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 15:44.57 | _joey | skel and that I tried too |
| 15:45.00 | sts | any ideas? |
| 15:45.13 | sts | i'm running it in daemon mode |
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| 15:45.19 | tnks | Hi all. I just installed Dovecot, but now I'm realizing that an IMAP server doesn't manage the actual receipt of E-mails. What package/daemon should I look into? Sorry about the newbieness. |
| 15:45.19 | skel | _joey: not sure, sounds like your samba support on the box is b0rked |
| 15:46.12 | OneSeventeen | abrotman: I used to do that on a different server to run PHP4 and PHP5 side by side, but I just remembered I was using a custom .so |
| 15:46.12 | _joey | it's not |
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| 15:47.25 | abrotman | OneSeventeen: ok |
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| 15:47.50 | Sleep33 | abrotman: no good, the status-old file is screwed up too |
| 15:49.06 | _joey | skel I just mounted in root but it still gives out an warning message |
| 15:49.14 | _joey | params.c:Parameter() - Ignoring badly formed line in configuration file: ~ |
| 15:49.19 | _joey | st00pid st00pid samba |
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| 15:54.25 | abrotman | stupid admin |
| 15:54.39 | KatieB | do none of u have an idea to my quesiton? |
| 15:54.40 | abrotman | Sleep33: let me double check |
| 15:55.15 | abrotman | Sleep33: maybe try moving the available file .. and then apt-get update? |
| 15:55.24 | mjp | KatieB: what's your error? |
| 15:55.25 | petemc | KatieB: mplayer or vlc can play those with the right codecs |
| 15:55.25 | abrotman | Sleep33: now you see why we tell people not to mix sources |
| 15:55.27 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:55.27 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:55.37 | KatieB | do you know where i can get the codecs from |
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| 15:55.45 | abrotman | !tell KatieB about marillat |
| 15:55.47 | KatieB | i searched for them on google, but only for totem movie playetr |
| 15:55.50 | petemc | there^ |
| 15:56.06 | KatieB | okay, thank you |
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| 15:57.49 | yuacht | how can i record both what i say and what i hear? |
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| 15:58.15 | abrotman | yuacht: with a tape recorder? |
| 15:58.25 | OneSeventeen | how do I configure apps such as php4 that I would normally configure during compiling, while still using apt-get? |
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| 15:58.33 | ernie_ | Stupid quick question... I have VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video. Is it possible to get hardware acceleration with this chipset? |
| 15:58.41 | tnks | Can someone quickly explain what /etc/mtab is all about. I'm confused about how it differs from fstab. |
| 15:58.42 | ernie_ | OneSeventeen, dpkg-reconfigure |
| 15:58.43 | ailas | maria: stop abuse me!! |
| 15:58.50 | ailas | sosi: stop abuse me!! |
| 15:58.51 | Ether_Man | yuacht: record the "what-u-hear" stream and have it to actually play the mic sound too.. |
| 15:58.54 | OneSeventeen | ernie_: thanks! |
| 15:58.55 | yuacht | abrotman, right, but I kinda ment on debian, that's why I didn't ask in #taperecorders |
| 15:59.11 | yuacht | will do that Ether_Man |
| 15:59.12 | yuacht | thx |
| 15:59.17 | greycat | ernie_: ask #xorg or #xfree86 |
| 15:59.19 | abrotman | yuacht: audacity is one way .. but i think you need to be more specific |
| 15:59.23 | ernie_ | greycat, thanks |
| 15:59.26 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 15:59.26 | dpkg | [unichrome] the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. |
| 16:00.06 | skel | is it possible to have multiple machines mount the same partition on something like an xserve raid via fiber channel? |
| 16:00.18 | OneSeventeen | are there reputable companies in the united states that offer reasonably priced debian support? |
| 16:00.19 | ernie_ | abrotman, thanks |
| 16:00.25 | abrotman | OneSeventeen: me |
| 16:00.27 | abrotman | :) |
| 16:00.27 | veleno | is there a service like pastebin but for images ? |
| 16:00.36 | skel | OneSeventeen: progeny does pretty well |
| 16:00.40 | abrotman | OneSeventeen: there's a list at debian.org |
| 16:00.43 | OneSeventeen | abrotman: even if I use php5? =P |
| 16:00.46 | petemc | veleno: flickr, or any other photo hosting site |
| 16:00.56 | stew | tnks: mtab is currently mounted files, fstab is instructions on how to mount them |
| 16:01.10 | OneSeventeen | abrotman: yeah, I was more looking for personal experience with any of these companies. |
| 16:01.15 | abrotman | ok .. there used to bed |
| 16:01.20 | abrotman | err to be |
| 16:01.42 | tnks | stew, that's weird. . . then what's the difference between /etc/mtab and /proc/mounts? |
| 16:01.43 | abrotman | OneSeventeen: you'd probably have more luck emailing debian-user list |
| 16:01.46 | OneSeventeen | it's hard getting linux in a production envornment because my boss wants support, but not many people have experience getting linux support because once it's up... it's usually up. |
| 16:01.57 | tnks | and why could "status" information be in /etc? |
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| 16:02.07 | petemc | OneSeventeen: you can get support, where are you located? |
| 16:02.08 | greycat | tnks: legacy |
| 16:02.18 | OneSeventeen | abrotman: No! I must have immediate gratification while making myself look a goof! damd be googling for myself and usign the mailing list! |
| 16:02.27 | wireddd | i'll support it :) |
| 16:02.33 | OneSeventeen | petemc: in New Mexico |
| 16:02.48 | abrotman | OneSeventeen: if you move me to new mexico .. i'll do it :) |
| 16:02.53 | OneSeventeen | I was just curious, becuase I know canonical supports Ubuntu, but that's more a desktop version |
| 16:03.06 | abrotman | OneSeventeen: progeny |
| 16:03.16 | umbop | hmm how is an rsa fingerprint created? |
| 16:03.43 | OneSeventeen | cool, I'll look that up. (just as a backup for my boss, although I also intend on having a few old computers set up with debian as well, so we can swap out if our server dies.) |
| 16:03.45 | abrotman | chop off your finger |
| 16:03.57 | jsn | with rsa ink and an rsa inkpad |
| 16:04.03 | jsn | and rsa paper |
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| 16:04.18 | greycat | jsn: lemon juice? |
| 16:04.25 | tnks | I was wondering about the ettiquette for using dpkg. Should I not /msg dpkg with !queries? |
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| 16:04.39 | greycat | tnks: /msg'ing the bots is highly encouraged. |
| 16:04.53 | abrotman | !tell root_ about root |
| 16:05.08 | umbop | hmm what is an rsa fingerprint exactly |
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| 16:05.36 | tnks | greycat, what's "please don't use the the addressCharacter when private messaging" about? |
| 16:05.49 | umbop | i know what rsa is, but what is the fingerprint? |
| 16:05.51 | abrotman | tnks: don't do /msg dpkg !tell me about crap |
| 16:06.18 | abrotman | tnks: or if you're directly talking to dpkg .. don't use the ! .. |
| 16:06.59 | tnks | abrotman, okay. I've got it now. |
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| 16:07.31 | _daniel | hello all |
| 16:07.42 | _daniel | i'm having problems with the ibook touchpad |
| 16:07.44 | _daniel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:12.50 | abrotman | ok .. fine .. don't wait |
| 16:13.06 | abrotman | _daniel: oh .. he is here |
| 16:13.13 | abrotman | _daniel: #debianppc |
| 16:13.14 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 16:13.15 | dpkg | it has been said that ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
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| 16:16.10 | lobz | how can i forbid a package version without aptitude? |
| 16:16.38 | stew | lobz: you mean put a package on hold? |
| 16:16.44 | stew | lobz: /msg dpkg hold |
| 16:17.03 | lobz | no, i have problems with the latest mozilla-firefox package and i want an earlyer version |
| 16:17.27 | stew | lobz: apt-get install mozilla-firefox=version |
| 16:17.45 | lobz | stew: oh, ok, thx :) |
| 16:17.49 | stew | lobz: then put it on hold |
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| 16:18.10 | lobz | and why is that apt doesnt care about /etc/apt/prefereces? |
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| 16:18.26 | lobz | i gave priority -500 to that package version |
| 16:18.31 | stew | lobz: it does care |
| 16:18.50 | lobz | hm, than i did something wrong :) |
| 16:18.50 | abrotman | snapshot.debian.net |
| 16:19.09 | stew | lobz: did you apt-get update after changeing preferences? |
| 16:19.31 | stew | abrotman: the version he wants is still in main |
| 16:19.39 | abrotman | in main? |
| 16:19.41 | abrotman | vs what? |
| 16:19.45 | stew | s.d.o |
| 16:19.57 | abrotman | you mean it's still on the mirrors |
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| 16:20.11 | stew | the current security update to firefix is extremely buggy |
| 16:20.12 | lobz | stew: yes, but never mind, solved the problem with =version |
| 16:20.21 | _linuxAS_ | hi |
| 16:20.22 | stew | firefox rather |
| 16:20.38 | abrotman | and they wonder why i use opera :) |
| 16:20.49 | abrotman | at least i'm independent of mozilla-fuckery |
| 16:20.53 | TraceGreen | Hello, does anyone here use captive sucessfully? |
| 16:21.42 | lobz | mozilla-firefox_1.0.4-2sarge2 is very buggy, yes :) |
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| 16:21.56 | stew | <insert non-free tirade here> |
| 16:21.57 | lobz | downgraded to mozilla-firefox_1.0.4-2 and everything works just fine |
| 16:22.13 | stew | lobz: just don't go to any malicious sites :) |
| 16:22.17 | madclicker | is there a way to "less" an .gz file ? |
| 16:22.21 | stew | madclicker: zless |
| 16:22.25 | lobz | stew: i wont :) |
| 16:22.30 | madclicker | stew |
| 16:22.34 | madclicker | thanks |
| 16:22.42 | eXistenZ | Can anyone take a look at this debug and help figure out the problem http://pastebin.com/345960 ? |
| 16:22.47 | PlasmaHH | is there any option to apt-get to let it ignore conflicts when just downloading with -d install ? |
| 16:22.48 | stew | madclicker: there is also zmore zgrep zcat... |
| 16:22.48 | aglet | madclicker: eval $(lesspipe) |
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| 16:22.52 | sgeigerbot | There appears to be a bug in at: the "-c" doesn't seem to be an option anymore, according to "at --help" but the man page says it's an option. If "-c" isn't available how can I list the job commands to stdout? |
| 16:23.17 | lobz | by |
| 16:23.32 | madclicker | stew: roger |
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| 16:26.09 | osama | hi, how do u copy a file from one directory to another |
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| 16:26.29 | Anthro | osama: man cp |
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| 16:26.44 | abrotman | !tell osama about u |
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| 16:27.10 | greycat | osama: man -k copy |
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| 16:28.08 | OneSeventeen | how do I set default permissions for files uploaded via ftp? |
| 16:28.29 | greycat | change your ftpd's ulimit |
| 16:28.30 | Anthro | OneSeventeen: Depends on the ftp server, I believe. |
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| 16:28.50 | Anthro | greycat: ulimit? You mean umask? |
| 16:28.53 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:29.06 | OneSeventeen | Anthro: vsftpd |
| 16:29.09 | abrotman | greycat: did you forget your wheaties this morning? |
| 16:29.20 | greycat | !lose greycat |
| 16:29.21 | dpkg | greycat: You Lose. |
| 16:29.32 | Anthro | OneSeventeen: Sorry, don't use it. |
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| 16:29.47 | Anthro | !google vsftpd umask |
| 16:29.56 | dpkg | Google says vsftpd umask is at http://vsftpd.beasts.org/vsftpd_conf.html or http://www.linuxforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2841 or http://www.vsftpdrocks.org/rpm/ or http://www.vsftpdrocks.org/package/ or http://www.vsftpdrocks.org/source/ |
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| 16:31.28 | xange | how do i list all ips that eth0 has bound to it? i believe i added an additional ip to eth0 awhile back but i forget :) |
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| 16:32.09 | GuiloKnight | can anyone help me with kppp |
| 16:32.11 | GuiloKnight | ? |
| 16:32.17 | stew | xange: ip addr list dev eth0 |
| 16:32.17 | iaido | need to set up NAT and port forwarding for a publicly routable bridge - http://66.73.234.174/network.jpg |
| 16:32.25 | TwistedEmotions | !tell GuiloKnight about ask |
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| 16:33.05 | Guilo | my 56k can't get connect (NO CARRIER) |
| 16:33.20 | TwistedEmotions | Guilo: cause your on a 56k? |
| 16:33.42 | xange | ty stew |
| 16:34.05 | shadfc | im having trouble getting apt-proxy to work correctly. If i point a client to my apt-proxy and do an update, it gets the package lists (i can do an apt-cache search) but they seem to be old. An apt-get upgrade shows nothing needing to be upgraded, but if i set the client to go directly to the debian mirrors, there are plenty of things to upgrade |
| 16:35.17 | xange | stew: i dont have 'ip' |
| 16:35.53 | Guilo | does anyone have a winmodem ;-) |
| 16:35.55 | Guilo | ? |
| 16:36.03 | stew | xange: ifconfig -a ; or install the iproute package |
| 16:36.42 | iaido | bonus points for whoever can answer the hardest ? of the month for this channel: http://66.73.234.174/network.jpg |
| 16:36.44 | xange | i tried ifconfig -a; that only shows the primary |
| 16:36.51 | iaido | whenever I try to set up the NAT the bridge stops working |
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| 16:36.59 | iaido | I know it's possible but I must be doing it wrong. |
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| 16:37.59 | stew | xange: install iproute, and ip list addr eth0 |
| 16:38.05 | rm-r | how can i change menu fonts in open office? |
| 16:38.09 | stew | err ip addr list dev eth0 |
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| 16:38.26 | stew | rm-r: ask #openoffice.org or #debian-oo |
| 16:38.33 | rm-r | oki |
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| 16:41.26 | Guilo | allo |
| 16:41.42 | Guilo | what's the command to configure alsa ? |
| 16:41.54 | Evil_Homer | apt-get install alsa-base |
| 16:41.55 | WodanTJ | i guess dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base ? |
| 16:42.04 | greycat | !alsa |
| 16:42.17 | scenestar | errr |
| 16:42.19 | scenestar | one thing |
| 16:42.20 | Guilo | i'll try dpkg-reconfigure cause i can't connect |
| 16:42.22 | Guilo | thanksx |
| 16:42.25 | greycat | jesus, not again. |
| 16:42.33 | xange | ok so i didn't bind the address to eth0, how can i? |
| 16:42.36 | scenestar | what kernel does the debian sarge dvd have? |
| 16:42.39 | scenestar | 2.40? |
| 16:42.49 | greycat | dpkg, no, alsa is <reply> Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 16:42.50 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 16:42.53 | WodanTJ | oh a futuristic kernel =) |
| 16:43.08 | Evil_Homer | anyone havind problems with the security.debian.org mirror on Debian/Etch? |
| 16:43.10 | Evil_Homer | having* |
| 16:43.49 | K1 | hi, i've developed an opengl program under rhel and debian sarge - with sid i get: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a(glxcmds.o): In function `glXGetMscRateOML': |
| 16:43.49 | K1 | : undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion' |
| 16:43.55 | scenestar | i had some problems lsat night, just edit your sources list |
| 16:44.03 | K1 | what shall i do? |
| 16:44.13 | scenestar | debug your code? |
| 16:44.42 | Evil_Homer | thnx scenestar, i made security.debian.org/debian-security out of it, wasn't sure that was the right one |
| 16:44.54 | stew | xange: the normal way would be to configure a eth0:1 or something, man interfaces, if you really want it on eth0, ip addr add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0 |
| 16:45.02 | akhayyat | when compiling a file, I got the error: <<invalid lvalue in unary '&'>> for the line: "time_struc = gmtime(&(time_t)CurrentGMTTime);" where time_struc's type is struct tm * |
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| 16:45.13 | K1 | well isn't xlibmesa-gl-dev somehow broken? If i do -lGL i expect it to work ... |
| 16:45.25 | akhayyat | what could the problem be..?? |
| 16:45.28 | Guilo | are there french people ? |
| 16:45.51 | akhayyat | using debian-testing.. gcc version 4.0.1, libc6 |
| 16:46.06 | Guilo | does anyone connect to Wanadoo ? |
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| 16:47.27 | Evil_Homer | akhayyat, try compiling it with gcc3, maybe that code doesn't work to good with gcc4 |
| 16:47.27 | xange | ty stew |
| 16:47.34 | samuel | anyone know of a good usenet client? |
| 16:48.01 | Quag7 | I really have no problems with Pan. |
| 16:48.10 | Quag7 | I've not really wanted any features Pan doesn't have. |
| 16:48.28 | Quag7 | in terms of usenet clients. |
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| 16:49.33 | samuel | Quag7, thanks, ill try it |
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| 16:50.20 | pingpong | Gnome in Sarge, if you put in CD or USB drive then it is auto mounted with user access allowed but the question is how does the user then remove the media (that is umount it). Seems only root can do this. |
| 16:50.24 | nerdy2 | akhayyat: have you tried &((time_t)CurrentGMTTime) instead of &(time_t)CurrentGMTTime |
| 16:51.07 | FlimFlamMan | on sarge, to use php with apache2, i have to use apache2-mpm-prefork ? |
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| 16:51.56 | Gumby | libapache2-mod-php4 - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2.0 module) |
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| 16:52.58 | mjp | i'm struggling with vhosts used in conjunction with ssl, anyone care to offer any assistance? :) |
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| 16:53.26 | FlimFlamMan | installing PHP removes apache2-mpm-worker and installs apache2-mpm-prefork instead; any idea if that will cause side-effects? |
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| 16:54.57 | stew | mjp: you can't use vhosts and ssl |
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| 16:55.07 | mjp | why not? |
| 16:55.31 | nerdy2 | FlimFlamMan: php is not threadsafe i believe, use prefork |
| 16:55.46 | stew | mjp: well that depends on what you are trying to do. you cannot use two different certs on one ip if that is what you are after |
| 16:56.09 | FlimFlamMan | nerdy2, thanks - is it a 100% drop-in replacement? |
| 16:56.31 | stew | mjp: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 16:56.43 | Chass | what does everyone use for their java? |
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| 16:57.05 | Chass | i have j2se-common 1.1 installed.. |
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| 16:57.10 | fatal_ | mjp: the ssl connection is established before the HTTP header is sent... |
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| 16:57.30 | Chass | but its tagged as obsolete because i have no apt-source for it |
| 16:57.36 | fatal_ | mjp: thus you cannot use name based hosting (which requires you to send hostname in the HTTP header) with SSL (HTTPS). |
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| 16:57.43 | stew | Chass: /msg dpkg java ; /msg dpkg install java |
| 16:57.51 | Chass | stew thanks |
| 16:58.15 | nerdy2 | FlimFlamMan: according to http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/prefork.html , that MPM behaves like apache 1.3 |
| 16:58.18 | tell | hi, i want do make all pict*.htm files in a folder be PICT*.htm. how do i do this? |
| 16:58.41 | stew | tell: rename 's/pict/PICT/' pict*.htm |
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| 16:58.52 | fatal_ | mjp: there's always port based... but you probably want to run your service on standard ports or otherwise people with strict (port-based) firewall rules will not be able to reach you. |
| 16:59.02 | fatal_ | mjp: so, left is ip-based..... |
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| 17:00.15 | nerdy2 | FlimFlamMan: and yea, it really shouldn't be that different [the MPM just controls the behavior of the server, e.g. running threads versus different servers, how many, etc.... so it's possible you tweaked the other one, and those configurations won't carry over ... it's also possible to tweak this one as well] |
| 17:01.06 | tool3 | hey, i want to unpack a tar file over the net with ssh. i've seen lots of examples which pack first, and unpack then. the thing is, i already have the packed tar so this: tar cf - mydir/ | ssh gate 'cd /tmp && tar xpvf -' is not what i need. any ideas? |
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| 17:01.30 | nerdy2 | FlimFlamMan: [and in that sense they aren't exactly the same, but the MPM performance/behavior tweaks shouldn't affect you, and you probably haven't even done that, unless you are running a high load server, in which case there's a lot to consider] |
| 17:01.54 | greycat | tool3: do you want to extract the tar file locally or remotely? |
| 17:01.57 | nerdy2 | FlimFlamMan: i should've just said yes, drop-in replacement [me remembers for next time] |
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| 17:02.40 | tool3 | greycat: remotely for sure. i need to send it somehow through ssh to the other machine while it unpacks at the same time there |
| 17:02.57 | greycat | tool3: ssh me@remotebox 'cd /somewhere && tar xvf -' < my.tar |
| 17:03.15 | tool3 | greycat: the thing is, the remote machine doesn't have enough space to hold packed and unpacked, so i need to unpack "on the fly" while my local machine sends the data |
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| 17:03.28 | tool3 | greycat: thanks that much! i'll try immediately |
| 17:03.37 | tell | :q |
| 17:03.55 | pipeline | tool3: Use semicolon instead of && |
| 17:04.15 | tool3 | ok thanks pipeline |
| 17:04.16 | pipeline | tool3: tar -cf - foo | ssh bar "cd baz; tar -xvf -" |
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| 17:04.45 | tool3 | i'll come back later.. thanks so long |
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| 17:08.58 | samuel | im trying to find a usenet server but they are all for like 30 gb transfer/mo, while its no bother paying 10 usd a month im only going to be sending messages, so anyone know of a good one abit cheaper? |
| 17:09.12 | Ronin | samuel: doesnt your isp have one? |
| 17:09.26 | Ronin | heck if its only msgs why not just use googles? |
| 17:09.46 | liran__ | in which package can i find pine? |
| 17:09.47 | akhayyat | Evil_Homer: thanks.. gcc-3.3 did work |
| 17:09.56 | Evil_Homer | no problem :) |
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| 17:11.03 | yuacht | hey, how do i use sudo in a bash script? |
| 17:11.15 | PerfDave | yuacht: The same as you use sudo at the command prompt? |
| 17:11.20 | samuel | Ronin, i guess i could use google, no big deal, no my isp does not have one - and its the best one in mexico - yes, i know my country sucks |
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| 17:11.42 | PerfDave | samuel: You're a spammer? :) |
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| 17:12.37 | yuacht | PerfDave, just gives me permission denied |
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| 17:12.45 | samuel | PerfDave, no! why? |
| 17:12.54 | TheStick_ | !kick samuel |
| 17:13.07 | PerfDave | samuel: Most people who want usenet services want to read messages and partake in conversation. |
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| 17:13.20 | PerfDave | yuacht: Then there's something up with your sudo config, if it works from the command prompt :) |
| 17:13.45 | yuacht | it does ;) |
| 17:13.47 | samuel | PerfDave, i want to ask questions on C and C++ that i cant find in docs or books |
| 17:14.02 | samuel | PerfDave, but still how is that spamming? |
| 17:14.04 | PerfDave | samuel: But you don't want answers to them? |
| 17:14.11 | greycat | samuel: so /join ##c or ##c++ or whatever lilo made them call themselves this month |
| 17:14.25 | PerfDave | greycat: ####c### |
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| 17:14.58 | samuel | greycat, yes... but they are even more eletist ahem ahem... |
| 17:15.01 | samuel | kiddin |
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| 17:15.48 | samuel | PerfDave, no, i obviously just want to ask questions and never get an answer to them... why would i want an answer... thats just silly! |
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| 17:16.10 | PerfDave | samuel: So you're a spammer then? |
| 17:16.25 | samuel | PerfDave, hahaha, no. |
| 17:16.46 | PerfDave | samuel: Well, I can't see any other reason why you'd want to send messages to Usenet and not get replies. |
| 17:17.01 | samuel | smart a·$ |
| 17:17.09 | samuel | :) |
| 17:17.33 | Ronin | think you misread samuels question PerfDave that or i did, and the way todays going its likely me |
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| 17:18.06 | PerfDave | Ronin: "im only going to be sending messages, so anyone know of a good one abit cheaper?" |
| 17:18.18 | samuel | i meant i only want to send some messages, i dont need 30 gb a month! thats ridiculous |
| 17:18.44 | Ronin | ya i took that as not wanting to get downloads of porn and stuff |
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| 17:19.08 | samuel | i want just like enough for i dont know... 500k is probably more messages than i could ever send in a entire month |
| 17:19.23 | t0ffel | is checkinstall being dropped or replaced, since it's not in etch? |
| 17:19.27 | samuel | Ronin, i dont want downloads |
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| 17:20.24 | TwistedEmotions | samuel: you need to discover mail porn! |
| 17:20.39 | TwistedEmotions | on that subject.. anyone know why I get so much spam? |
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| 17:20.55 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: Because samuel has your e-mail address? :) |
| 17:20.58 | samuel | TwistedEmotions, ummm... thanks |
| 17:21.05 | ulitz | how can I get apt not to try installing something.. it keeps trying to configure mythtv but doesnt work |
| 17:21.13 | samuel | PerfDave, whats your email address? |
| 17:21.17 | TwistedEmotions | samuel: you whore. Stop spamming me.. |
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| 17:21.25 | onlinebacon | hi |
| 17:21.28 | PerfDave | samuel: none@ofyourfuckingbusiness.com ;) |
| 17:21.55 | onlinebacon | hehe |
| 17:22.14 | onlinebacon | Im downloading the net install CD :) |
| 17:22.27 | Fluxxdog | You too? |
| 17:22.37 | stew | ulitz: have you tried apt-get remove? |
| 17:22.45 | lilldude | what is tx buffer error |
| 17:22.51 | TwistedEmotions | onlinebacon: Dont you already have it installed? |
| 17:23.00 | onlinebacon | nah, my net went down :( |
| 17:23.06 | ulitz | stew: well its installed and works but it still keeps trying.. don't wan to remove it |
| 17:23.10 | onlinebacon | wheni was d/l ing it |
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| 17:24.24 | cadu | hello! |
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| 17:24.28 | Fluxxdog | Out of curiosity, is that net installer .iso supposed to be burned to a CD-RW or can a CD-R be used? |
| 17:24.38 | lilldude | trying to rid my tx buffer error |
| 17:24.41 | Ungy | anyone know of a channel for bluefish? |
| 17:24.41 | onlinebacon | dont think it makes a difference |
| 17:24.42 | Bac9 | Fluxxdog: does it matter? |
| 17:24.47 | Seb | hi fellows, anyone has that problem upgrading locales on sid: *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x088bcf78 *** |
| 17:24.49 | onlinebacon | if ur pc can read it |
| 17:24.51 | Seb | and then it segfautls |
| 17:24.54 | onlinebacon | cd* |
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| 17:25.00 | cadu | the xmms headers aren't being able to find glib.h but it's installed.... on /usr/include/glib-1.2/ ...isn't this a packaging/file positioning bug in those debian packages ? o_O |
| 17:25.01 | Seb | i can't find anything similar in the BTS |
| 17:25.23 | Ronin | Fluxxdog: i used rw last time |
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| 17:25.45 | Fluxxdog | Don't know. Trying to install on my comp, but every time it says it's "Booting the Kernel" it just reboots everything and sarts over. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. Looked all over the net for an answer... |
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| 17:26.01 | werw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.04 | ulitz | stew: works now |
| 17:26.12 | onlinebacon | maybe the ISO is bad |
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| 17:26.26 | yuacht | where's the boot-up script located? |
| 17:26.34 | madclicker | can some one explain why php4 in sarge has php4-domxml package after install domxml is still not working? |
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| 17:26.52 | douglas__ | about how many feet can I run POTS analog phone extentions before the signal wears significantly? |
| 17:27.22 | Fluxxdog | yuacht: I'm not sure. :\ |
| 17:27.37 | douglas__ | 150 feet safe? |
| 17:27.50 | eidolon | hey folks - working on some USB setups. i'm using udev, and i have a SanDisk cruzer. if i put a rule in /etc/udev/udev.rules like this: BUS="usb", SYSFS_manufacturer="SanDisk*", NAME="sandisk%n" --- when I insert the pendrive, I'm seeing "configured rule in '/etc/udev/rules.d/z_hal-plugdev.rules[2]' applied, 'sdb1' becomes '%k'" - where is plugdev coming from? i'd prefer to put a specific manufacturer rule in, so my pendrive goes |
| 17:27.50 | eidolon | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.53 | douglas__ | feat |
| 17:27.57 | stew | douglas__: well its generally a few miles long before it gets to your house |
| 17:27.58 | Seb | hmm ok I found it: bug #304604. This is a nasty nasty one... |
| 17:28.17 | stew | douglas__: so an extra couple hundred feet in your house should be no problem |
| 17:28.18 | douglas__ | +1, insightful, stew |
| 17:28.39 | travisat | douglas__: this isn/t slashdot |
| 17:28.53 | douglas__ | i cant even meta mod? |
| 17:28.56 | travisat | no |
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| 17:29.29 | yuacht | anyone know where the boot-script it located? |
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| 17:30.02 | eidolon | 'boot script'? |
| 17:30.07 | Schiz0 | Anyone know the package to install the Berkeley DB software? I already have libdb installed, but I still don't have the commands I need to set up vsftpd |
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| 17:30.41 | tech13 | yuacht, are you looking for /etc/rcS.d/ ? |
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| 17:30.43 | TwistedEmotions | bootscript = kernel? |
| 17:30.45 | gert | does anyone know how to recover data from .ISD and .ISM data files (mysql) now that mysql does not seem to supoort them anymore? |
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| 17:31.23 | tech13 | debian sarge linux 2.6, smbfs 3.0.14a-3, getting frequant errors while editing remote files " kernel: smb_lookup: find htdocs/#breakfastnetwork2.cfm# failed, error=-512" how do i fix it? |
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| 17:32.06 | eidolon | smb_lookup is a problem in samba. |
| 17:32.15 | eidolon | (as is smbfs :) |
| 17:32.30 | fatal_ | !cifs |
| 17:32.30 | dpkg | hmm... cifs is Common Internet File System or see SMB, or it is basically SMB without NBT |
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| 17:33.41 | stew | gert: ask #mysql |
| 17:33.56 | cadu | cifs is better than smb |
| 17:33.58 | stew | yuacht: the boot-script for what? |
| 17:33.59 | cadu | by leaps and bounds |
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| 17:34.05 | loke- | y0y0y0, sup all |
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| 17:34.43 | eidolon | loke-: hint: there's 840 people on this channel. and it's called #debian. |
| 17:34.46 | gert | stew: silence there.... |
| 17:34.53 | loke- | eidolon your point?! |
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| 17:35.06 | eidolon | q: the 'hal' group in the udev handlers... what does it designate? |
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| 17:36.39 | eidolon | oh. hardware abstraction layer. hmm. okay... :-/ |
| 17:36.45 | yuacht | stew, to add stuff that should auto-run at boot. echo stuff to proc for example |
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| 17:37.51 | gert | yuacht: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh this what your looking for? |
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| 17:38.50 | yuacht | gert, right, thanks! |
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| 17:39.07 | coreyo | is anyone here using f-prot from the f-prot installer in testing by any chance? If so, is it hanging on you? |
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| 17:39.51 | Hungarus | coreyo: known bug afaik |
| 17:39.53 | r3v | coreyo: I'm using it in sid and it doesn't hang. that proally doesn't help you though |
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| 17:40.24 | coreyo | r3v: what are the latest code names for stable, testing, and unstable? |
| 17:40.44 | r3v | coreyo: sarge, etch, sid |
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| 17:40.58 | cadu | !etch |
| 17:40.58 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 17:41.13 | cadu | etch comes from what ? |
| 17:41.19 | cadu | sarge comes from toy story right ? |
| 17:41.28 | coreyo | r3v: I'll try getting an older package and see if tha towrks |
| 17:41.33 | coreyo | cadu: they're ALL from toy story |
| 17:41.42 | cadu | i can't remember etch |
| 17:41.50 | coreyo | cadu: the etchasketch |
| 17:41.54 | cadu | maybe i've been watching too much translated toystory lately |
| 17:41.55 | coreyo | cadu: DRAW! |
| 17:42.10 | cadu | coreyo: thanks for refreshing my mind ! |
| 17:42.22 | cadu | that was translated in portuguese as 'magic board' |
| 17:42.24 | cadu | ahahahahh |
| 17:42.44 | cadu | DRAW! <draws a pistol> :) |
| 17:43.10 | greycat | etch-a-sketch is the brand name of the toy in the US |
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| 17:43.21 | cadu | nice |
| 17:43.34 | cadu | greycat: that thing with two rotating buttons |
| 17:43.49 | greycat | yes |
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| 17:43.58 | cadu | loved that when i was a child : |
| 17:44.13 | travolta | etch a sketch: usa patent no. 3 760 505 |
| 17:44.14 | cadu | not many years ago ^^ |
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| 17:44.24 | cadu | travolta: whoa ! |
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| 17:44.50 | travolta | says it on the back, i have one in front of me |
| 17:44.52 | travolta | :) |
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| 17:44.57 | cadu | ah ! |
| 17:45.17 | cadu | thought you were one of those autist guys with super memory |
| 17:45.22 | cadu | ;) |
| 17:45.30 | coreyo | travolta: is that how you scribble your code before you type it? |
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| 17:45.48 | travolta | its my portable pc |
| 17:45.50 | travolta | :) |
| 17:46.12 | travolta | just gotta shake it to reboot |
| 17:46.19 | coreyo | so if I use the stable f-prot-installer from sarge, is there a way to mark it so that apt-get upgrade won't upgrade it? |
| 17:46.34 | cadu | what'll happen when all useable characters in toystory are gone for release naming ? |
| 17:46.40 | cadu | they'll have to use another pixar release ? ^^ |
| 17:47.04 | coreyo | d00d, monsters inc sucked... the incredibles was all over it |
| 17:47.11 | cadu | incredibles? hah |
| 17:47.16 | cadu | the best was Finding Nemo :) |
| 17:47.34 | coreyo | you like the heartwarming little kiddy ones don't you? |
| 17:47.45 | cadu | hahAHAHAHAHahahaha |
| 17:47.47 | cadu | nah |
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| 17:47.50 | greycat | 10:59 greycat> grurf: if [[ $foo = *[^A-Z]* ]]; then echo "$foo has a non-capital-letter in it"; fi |
| 17:47.53 | cadu | just a preference :-) |
| 17:47.53 | greycat | bah, ECHAN |
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| 17:48.21 | cadu | greycat: bash has regexp matching too ? o_O |
| 17:48.45 | greycat | cadu: that's pattern matching, not regex. bash 3.0 has regex with =~ inside [[ ]] |
| 17:49.19 | eidolon | ahhh. i got it to mount and set up as a user-mountable filesystem on /media/sandisk. yay! now, what's the 'appropriate' way to have it automount when i plug it in? |
| 17:49.35 | coreyo | r3v: the one that the stable f-prot-installer grabs appears to be broken as well |
| 17:49.51 | aigarius | we can always go for some nice anime ... like, Cat Soup or Evangelion, or Elven Lied :) |
| 17:50.04 | r3v | coreyo: i only use the sid one. I don't think i'd recommend sid to anyone though :) |
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| 17:50.25 | Isumi | aigarius : the only nice anime is Hikaru No Go.... |
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| 17:51.11 | deepan | i want to cut first five pages of a pdf which has 100 pages.. how do i do it ? |
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| 17:51.33 | aigarius | Isumi, I liked that too, but you should watch those I named. just for cultural reference. not when kids are around, though. (but this is getting OT) |
| 17:51.36 | cadu | how can i solve that problem of plugin a usb disk and having it as /dev/sdb...but if my scsi disk is offline it'll get /dev/sda...fscking all mount options etc... |
| 17:51.40 | cadu | ??? |
| 17:52.01 | cahoot | deepan: look at pdftk |
| 17:52.46 | OneSeventeen | PHP comes with all sorts of configure configure-commands, such as --without-pgsql, but I want --with-pgsql, how do I change this? |
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| 17:52.52 | aigarius | deepan, open it in xpdf and print those pages to a file. this file will be in Postscript format wich you can convert back with ps2pdf |
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| 17:53.52 | coreyo | r3v: that works. There are no other dependencies for that package. Thanks |
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| 17:54.20 | aigarius | cadu, the best solution would be to have a script that is adding lines to fstab as your drives come and go and that would detect the type of disk plugged in and write a corresponding line for it |
| 17:54.24 | EvilSporkMan | what package should I use for a quick dorm room firewall in which I will be needing to forward ports to specific internal IPs? the firewall will be on a box doubling as a file server. I installed ipmasq but upon inspection it seems not to be what I need. Shorewall also looks fairly complicated? |
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| 17:54.36 | greycat | EvilSporkMan: iptables |
| 17:54.49 | aigarius | cadu, see the scripts that handle usb keys for example |
| 17:54.51 | EvilSporkMan | greycat: typing the commands every time gets old fast |
| 17:55.02 | greycat | EvilSporkMan: that's why you write a script that has them. |
| 17:55.18 | greycat | that way you only type each command once. |
| 17:55.22 | rno | Hello, I have 2 drives and soft raid , one failed (hdb), I've put a new drive inside I like to rebuild hdb.. I'm not sure and I don't want to loose all my data |
| 17:55.27 | deepan | aigarius: can i not open the ps file directly ?.. with some thing.. say gimp and give print.. directly after that |
| 17:55.28 | TwistedEmotions | EvilSporkMan: it's hella easy once you setup.. ;P But there *is* shorewall. try that. |
| 17:55.32 | aigarius | EvilSporkMan, write a small script, put it in /etc/init.d and make a simlink from /etc/rc2.d |
| 17:55.37 | jethro | or you load a ruleset, and you /etc/init.d/iptables save it |
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| 17:55.48 | greycat | aigarius: it might be better to invoke the script from interfaces(5) |
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| 17:56.01 | aigarius | deepan, you can just do "lpr file.ps" |
| 17:56.14 | EvilSporkMan | shorewall seems to have approximately 20 configuration files...you call that simple? |
| 17:56.19 | rno | any body can help with soft raid.... ? |
| 17:56.22 | pink1 | Hi - I am running stable/sarge but I would like to have the latest and greatest version of gaim which is available in unstable. How can I apt-get that alone - without messing up my comfortable stable? |
| 17:56.35 | TwistedEmotions | EvilSporkMan: just a suggestion ;P |
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| 17:56.42 | abrotman | pink1: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:56.57 | deepan | i have to print it using windows .. no commercial printer shop has linux.. can i open that ps file .. in windows using photoshop ? ailas |
| 17:56.58 | TwistedEmotions | EvilSporkMan: fwbuilder ? |
| 17:57.11 | deepan | aigarius: ^ |
| 17:57.23 | aigarius | deepan, just convert it to pdf then, it will also be smaller |
| 17:57.23 | pink1 | abrotman: nothing happened :-/ |
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| 17:57.35 | abrotman | !tell dpkg about simple sid backport |
| 17:57.39 | abrotman | wtf |
| 17:57.44 | abrotman | who the fuck changed that |
| 17:57.49 | ailas | deepan: what/ |
| 17:57.50 | ailas | ? |
| 17:57.52 | abrotman | !simple sid backport |
| 17:57.52 | dpkg | simple sid backport is, like, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 17:57.55 | EvilSporkMan | TwistedEmotions: have you tried the webmin-firewall stuff? |
| 17:58.05 | abrotman | !tell pink1 about simple sid backport |
| 17:58.12 | pink1 | got it now ta |
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| 17:58.14 | PGuardian | Hi, is there any way to detect how someone entered the system beside chkrootkit ? i have to either find and block the hole i have in my system or erase my system |
| 17:58.19 | TwistedEmotions | EvilSporkMan: no... but *should* be easy... I just dont trust webmin ;P |
| 17:58.44 | EvilSporkMan | I kinda move in to college tomorrow and I need to have the firewall box ready to go so rescomp doesn't notice I have it (firewalls and routers are forbidden) |
| 17:58.44 | TwistedEmotions | EvilSporkMan: perfer iptables... it's easier |
| 17:59.17 | EvilSporkMan | TwistedEmotions: iptables seems like voodoo to me, though I guess I already have a rudimentary port-forwarding script |
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| 17:59.33 | antgel | PGuardian: if you've been compromised, you're looking at a reinstall anyway |
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| 17:59.54 | aigarius | PGuardian, the rootkit checker only detects what they have installed after entering the system. you'll have to check all the logs and all possible points of entery to detect the fault |
| 18:00.01 | TwistedEmotions | EvilSporkMan: dude... ill show you my script.. it's freaking funny how easy it is... |
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| 18:00.45 | PGuardian | antgel: the problem i see is the following: what did i do wrong.. so to not do it again, i searched the auth log and could not find any other successful login than mine and chkrootkit does not find anything |
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| 18:00.48 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: netfilter.org and lartc.org |
| 18:00.57 | TwistedEmotions | EvilSporkMan: can I /msg you? |
| 18:01.03 | EvilSporkMan | TwistedEmotions: sure, why not |
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| 18:01.18 | mko | is anyone met some problems with the wifi? |
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| 18:01.51 | vedder | is there a way to install a package with dpkg without running the preinst script?? |
| 18:02.01 | sktrdie | hello |
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| 18:02.06 | abrotman | vedder: why would you want to? |
| 18:02.13 | rno | Hello, I have soft raid, hda and hdb.. hdb failed I've put a new drive inside but now I like to rebuild hdb... how can I do |
| 18:02.20 | sktrdie | I need mono, but it's only in testing in apt-get |
| 18:02.21 | antgel | !tell mko about ask |
| 18:02.26 | sktrdie | what should I do? |
| 18:02.30 | helix | what's the gtk2 theme switch thing called? |
| 18:02.35 | TwistedEmotions | WAN=eth0 |
| 18:02.36 | TwistedEmotions | echo "Activating $0 ..." |
| 18:02.36 | TwistedEmotions | iptables -Z |
| 18:02.36 | TwistedEmotions | iptables -F |
| 18:02.36 | TwistedEmotions | iptables -t nat -F PREROUTING |
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| 18:02.37 | vedder | abrotman, because the preist script is buggy |
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| 18:02.51 | mko | i install ndiswrapper's driver |
| 18:02.53 | TwistedEmotions | iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT |
| 18:02.55 | TwistedEmotions | iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT |
| 18:02.57 | TwistedEmotions | iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT |
| 18:02.57 | vedder | abrotman, there is a syntax error, i took it out and fixed it |
| 18:02.59 | TwistedEmotions | # Limit incoming connection rates, especially SSH Brute Force Attacks |
| 18:03.00 | sktrdie | can anyone help me install mono? |
| 18:03.01 | TwistedEmotions | # No more than 15 ssh attemps in 5 minute. |
| 18:03.03 | TwistedEmotions | # |
| 18:03.03 | OneSeventeen | How do I configure PHP to use --with-pgsql when installing via apt-get? |
| 18:03.05 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: fucking stop |
| 18:03.07 | TwistedEmotions | iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -i $WAN -m state --state NEW \ |
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| 18:03.09 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:03.10 | abrotman | oh god |
| 18:03.18 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: he meant to /msg it to me |
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| 18:03.20 | antgel | what a cock |
| 18:03.22 | abrotman | vedder: so .. you want to what? |
| 18:03.25 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: i know .. |
| 18:03.26 | helix | now what's the gtk2 theme switch thing called? |
| 18:03.38 | abrotman | gtk-theme-switch2 or gtk2-theme-switch |
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| 18:03.46 | cbr | gtk-theme-switch in debian |
| 18:03.53 | abrotman | cbr: that's for gtk1 iirc |
| 18:04.02 | cbr | no, it includes the version 2 one |
| 18:04.07 | Angel-SL | Hi |
| 18:04.09 | vedder | abrotman, run the fixed script and the install the package without running the broken one, dpkg stops if there is a problem wih the preinst |
| 18:04.11 | helix | cbr: it does? none of the themes show up for me |
| 18:04.11 | cbr | tryed it yesterday |
| 18:04.13 | abrotman | cbr: i think helix wanted the program name .. not the package name |
| 18:04.19 | cbr | oh |
| 18:04.32 | abrotman | helix: gtk2-theme-switch or gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 18:04.33 | Angel-SL | Does Sarge support Canon MPC 190 Printer? |
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| 18:04.49 | abrotman | vedder: oh .. put it in place of the broken one |
| 18:04.54 | Angel-SL | Does Sarge support Canon MPC 190 Printer? |
| 18:05.09 | greycat | why don't you ask 37 times? |
| 18:05.15 | helix | abrotman: got it, thanks |
| 18:05.20 | PGuardian | antgel: what would you suggest to do to find the hole before reinstalling, so it does not show up again ? |
| 18:05.34 | vedder | abrotman, how do i put a file inside de .deb, i dont have the debsrc for that package, its unnoficial |
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| 18:05.40 | abrotman | greycat: he's only up to two .. let me at least get to 25 before you suggest 37 :) |
| 18:05.50 | greycat | awwww, 37's such a fun number. |
| 18:05.53 | abrotman | vedder: look in /var/lib/dpkg/info .. i think it is |
| 18:05.55 | TwistedEmotions | Im sorry guys ;( |
| 18:06.04 | abrotman | vedder: see if you can find the pre-inst for that package |
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| 18:06.06 | Angel-SL | Helooooooooo |
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| 18:06.14 | Angel-SL | :/ |
| 18:06.16 | abrotman | Does Sarge support Canon MPC 190 Printer? |
| 18:06.20 | greycat | three! |
| 18:06.25 | green_earz | PGuardian: if you do reinstall have a look at using tripwire |
| 18:06.25 | abrotman | that was me! |
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| 18:06.33 | greycat | close enough. |
| 18:06.33 | abrotman | Angel-SL: linux-printing.org |
| 18:06.33 | cadu | hehehehe |
| 18:06.38 | scenestar | meh |
| 18:07.03 | scenestar | can i update the kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 by apt-get |
| 18:07.15 | scenestar | or do i have to compile it myself |
| 18:07.17 | antgel | PGuardian: i wouldn't waste my time if it wasn't obvious. i find that running stable, keeping up to date with security announcements, purging services i don't need, disabling password login over ssh, and not doing anything stupid works okay. but sometimes it's just one of those things. |
| 18:07.24 | PerfDave | scenestar: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 18:07.25 | PGuardian | green_earz: is tripware free or commercial ? |
| 18:07.30 | antgel | scenestar: you can |
| 18:07.47 | green_earz | PGuardian: apt-cache show tripwire |
| 18:07.59 | abrotman | scenestar: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 .. pick the one for your CPU |
| 18:07.59 | vedder | abrotman, will dpkg use that one instead of the one in the package? |
| 18:08.04 | r3v | PGuardian: software if free, but that name isn't |
| 18:08.08 | abrotman | vedder: *i thnk* ? :) |
| 18:08.16 | scenestar | abrotman: it did that, but after a reboot its still the smae |
| 18:08.24 | Angel-SL | that linux-pritning is notginhg |
| 18:08.24 | abrotman | scenestar: and you of course updated your bootloadeR? |
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| 18:08.29 | scenestar | ahhh |
| 18:08.39 | abrotman | Angel-SL: sorry .... no - .. |
| 18:08.55 | PGuardian | green_earz & r3v: thank you for the info |
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| 18:09.02 | green_earz | PGuardian: np |
| 18:09.29 | vedder | abrotman, it did not :\ |
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| 18:09.41 | PGuardian | antgel: Thank you, so i'll save the data and reinstall the box this weekend |
| 18:09.57 | abrotman | vedder: you could extract the package .. replace it's preinst with yours .. then put it back together .. |
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| 18:10.24 | douglas__ | do those full duplex phones need to be in a conference room to work without feeding back or could it be used on a desk as well with a big screen and other crap reflecting back sound? |
| 18:10.27 | vedder | abrotman, how do i build a deb package without the source? |
| 18:10.36 | abrotman | vedder: ar x <pkg> |
| 18:10.44 | douglas__ | (speakerphones) |
| 18:10.47 | Angel-SL | :( |
| 18:10.48 | OneSeventeen | how do I view the contents of .gz files? |
| 18:10.52 | Angel-SL | MPC190 is not supported. |
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| 18:10.59 | abrotman | vedder: then you should be able to extract the tar.gz files inside .. then replace with yours .. then glue back togther .. i think |
| 18:11.03 | greycat | OneSeventeen: zless, gunzip, etc. |
| 18:11.08 | scenestar | OneSeventeen: teyre just liek zip files |
| 18:11.10 | vedder | abrotman, nice |
| 18:11.12 | cadu | zcat |
| 18:11.18 | abrotman | vedder: i've never done that .. so it's just a guess |
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| 18:11.54 | OneSeventeen | thanks cadu! that worked great (just discovered /usr/share/doc/ !) |
| 18:11.57 | fken | is the kernel 2.6.8 able to recognize pci-e 16x card and snd-core ? |
| 18:12.02 | scenestar | hahahahaha |
| 18:12.11 | cadu | OneSeventeen: you're welcome ;P |
| 18:12.32 | scenestar | ugh |
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| 18:13.07 | Eno_ | how can i have a screen session open more than once in different xterms? |
| 18:13.11 | Eno_ | the same one.. |
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| 18:13.19 | antgel | OneSeventeen: you could also use most, and zgrep is useful too |
| 18:13.19 | Angel-SL | damn |
| 18:13.22 | greycat | Eno_: screen -x |
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| 18:13.32 | Angel-SL | now i cant print a script...:( |
| 18:13.40 | Eno_ | greycat: aha, thanks |
| 18:13.49 | OneSeventeen | When I see things in the PHP manual, such as pgsql, it says to install I need to add --with-pgsql when I compile PHP, but how do do that if I'm using apt-get instead of compiling from source? |
| 18:13.53 | OneSeventeen | Or do I need to compile from source? |
| 18:13.57 | abrotman | Angel-SL: just becuase it's not at that site doesn't mean it won't work .. try google |
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| 18:14.02 | greycat | OneSeventeen: apt-cache search php4 postgres |
| 18:14.07 | abrotman | OneSeventeen: apt-get install php pgsql |
| 18:14.15 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.16 | antgel | OneSeventeen: you hope that the debian package maintainer compiled with the options you want |
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| 18:14.31 | greycat | antgel: incorrect. |
| 18:14.43 | steve__ | hey- how i set up an atheros card |
| 18:14.50 | steve__ | !atheros |
| 18:14.53 | steve__ | !madwifi |
| 18:14.53 | dpkg | it has been said that madwifi is http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (sarge/sid only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
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| 18:14.58 | antgel | greycat, OneSeventeen: retracted |
| 18:14.59 | greycat | steve__: /msg the bot, please |
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| 18:15.52 | abrotman | OneSeventeen: i meant .. apt-cache search php pgsql |
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| 18:15.56 | sktrdie | do you guys think its safe to switch to testing? |
| 18:15.59 | sktrdie | in debian? |
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| 18:16.11 | sktrdie | I once switched to unstable and it messed up pretty much |
| 18:16.14 | greycat | safe is a relative concept |
| 18:16.15 | sktrdie | I wanna be sure this time |
| 18:16.15 | douglas__ | sktrdie: you could test it out and see |
| 18:16.16 | OneSeventeen | greycat: thanks! that worked great, found the package and installed it! |
| 18:16.20 | abrotman | sktrdie: that's up to you .. it has no security updates .. and is probably about to go through the same pain that unstable is going through now |
| 18:16.36 | douglas__ | What?? no security updates? |
| 18:16.41 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: pain? on the horizon? i thought we didn't have to know about this in testing! @_@ |
| 18:16.42 | vedder | abrotman, it worked, i did not know .deb files were simple archives |
| 18:16.46 | cadu | greycat: your job is similar to helping oldies cross the street, you're going to heaven ^^ |
| 18:16.48 | sktrdie | abrotman: But if I test it I cant go back... |
| 18:16.52 | cadu | ehhehehehe |
| 18:16.55 | OneSeventeen | is installing software/server apps and services/documentation supposed to be this easy? I thought linux was supposed to be harder than windows? |
| 18:17.02 | green_earz | PGuardian: "Intrusion Detection with Tripwire LG #106" > http://linuxgazette.net/106/odonovan.html |
| 18:17.07 | abrotman | sktrdie: pretty much |
| 18:17.13 | cadu | OneSeventeen: you're on debian, not any linux distro |
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| 18:17.19 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: you don't have to .. you can use stable :) |
| 18:17.24 | sktrdie | abrotman: cuz I need the mono package in apt... but its only in testing |
| 18:17.25 | cadu | after you go debian, you don't come back |
| 18:17.25 | EvilSporkMan | OneSeventeen: apt-get install server; configure server; now the server will work magically when you turn on the computer |
| 18:17.26 | abrotman | vedder: very simple ..y es |
| 18:17.26 | OneSeventeen | cadu: that must be it. |
| 18:17.34 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: yes but then i will die of obsolete software |
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| 18:17.42 | abrotman | sktrdie: mono doesn't depend on much .. grab the packages one by one .. that's what i did .. or learn about pinning |
| 18:17.45 | cadu | OneSeventeen: the HUGE apt repository simplifies our lives pretty much |
| 18:17.46 | abrotman | !tell sktrdie about pinning |
| 18:17.53 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: besides...i'm on amd64 so it's all relative |
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| 18:17.56 | sktrdie | pinning? |
| 18:17.56 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: would you rather die of broken hardware |
| 18:18.00 | abrotman | err broken software |
| 18:18.05 | abrotman | sktrdie: see what dpkg told you |
| 18:18.14 | OneSeventeen | cadu: yeah, but I still wish a stable PHP5 was available other than dotdeb... |
| 18:18.30 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: nothing's broken yet... |
| 18:18.38 | mugur | anibody using gnome and debian sid around here? |
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| 18:18.41 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: do you have GCC4 yet .. or xorg ? |
| 18:18.45 | scenestar | oi |
| 18:18.46 | sepski | OneSeventeen, debian is about making the tedious easy, and the challenging fun, not to mess around with spyware and viruses the whole day. nowonder windows admin's are so stressed out |
| 18:18.47 | scenestar | errr |
| 18:18.48 | cadu | oi |
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| 18:18.51 | stew | hrm, does changelogs.debian.net not work for contrib? |
| 18:18.51 | mugur | the mime thingi seems to be kind of broken... |
| 18:19.02 | cadu | sepski: ack. |
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| 18:19.04 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: gcc4, yes; xorg no |
| 18:19.14 | skate | mugur: you are running unstable, shit breaks. |
| 18:19.14 | cadu | sepski : windows admin , hell :) |
| 18:19.16 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: and all your binaries have been recompiled with 4? |
| 18:19.20 | OneSeventeen | sepski: yeah, I have to support windows boxes right now... I wish we could just install debian or ubuntu or something... |
| 18:19.27 | sktrdie | abrotman: Im confused |
| 18:19.27 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: i have to recompile stuff? |
| 18:19.28 | mugur | hmm, it's too unstable lately |
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| 18:19.29 | mugur | :) |
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| 18:19.34 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: no ... |
| 18:19.37 | abrotman | sktrdie: why? |
| 18:19.39 | cadu | mugur: go 'testing' ...safer :) |
| 18:19.39 | sktrdie | abrotman: is like apt-pinning mono? |
| 18:19.42 | antgel | OneSeventeen: no, it's easier, more enjoyable, and powerful as fuck. i laugh at windows, when you want to check a log file and you have to fuck about with the gay gui |
| 18:19.52 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: stuff may break .. it happens .. it's testing |
| 18:19.52 | greycat | !gay |
| 18:19.52 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 18:19.53 | mugur | i will consider this, thank you :) |
| 18:19.56 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: i have gcc-3.3, gcc-3.4, and gcc-4.0 installed |
| 18:20.01 | cadu | antgel: windows log files ? what's that ? |
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| 18:20.07 | ciga | hi |
| 18:20.09 | cadu | antgel: never heard of such heresy |
| 18:20.12 | cadu | antgel: ^^ :) |
| 18:20.13 | stew | sktrdie: installing packges from testing/unstable on stable isn't a good idea, and its becoming an increasingle bad idea as the releases diverge |
| 18:20.17 | abrotman | sktrdie: you can either learn about pinning .. or grab the packages one by one(which is how i did it.. only about 10 packages iirc) |
| 18:20.20 | mugur | sid wend from broken stuff to broken stuff, i'm kind of tired of this |
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| 18:20.27 | stew | sktrdie: a better solution is /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:20.28 | antgel | cadu: it's the "Bill Gates Event Viewer" |
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| 18:20.29 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: ok |
| 18:20.33 | scenestar | dude |
| 18:20.36 | cadu | antgel: bwabwabwabwa |
| 18:20.37 | abrotman | stew: it's for mono |
| 18:20.39 | cadu | antgel: spooky |
| 18:20.45 | stew | abrotman: i don't know what that means |
| 18:20.45 | OneSeventeen | antgel: yup... so far, the only thing I miss (now that I've removed windows from my laptop) is adobe products... there's no equal, but I reserve opinions about gimp until I try it for a few months straight. |
| 18:20.45 | abrotman | stew: relatively self contained .. |
| 18:20.45 | scenestar | im getting sick of this constant kernel warfare |
| 18:20.46 | sepski | OneSeventeen, we have some network equipment that you have to detect with some 'scanner software' that only run on windows. and you usualy have to swap ip's 2-3 times on every box. even that simple task is atleast 12-15 mouse clicks insteaed of one short command |
| 18:20.52 | antgel | apologies all, s/gay/fluffy |
| 18:20.57 | ciga | I'd like to create a new user with an uid that is bigger then 2000. can it be done automatically? I mean the uid inc. |
| 18:20.57 | sktrdie | abrotman: can u explain what pinning is, dpkg didnt say much |
| 18:20.58 | cadu | scenestar: kernel warfare? |
| 18:21.02 | abrotman | stew: i have mono on sarge. . took like 10 packages manually downloaded |
| 18:21.04 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:21.04 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:21.05 | sepski | it is sheer hell |
| 18:21.37 | sepski | i guess hiding the ip settings might make sense for my grandmother, but comeone have a commandline optin !! |
| 18:21.43 | abrotman | sktrdie: see the url in the factoid |
| 18:21.52 | abrotman | sktrdie: the last url |
| 18:22.04 | abrotman | sktrdie: it explains what you have to do very well |
| 18:22.17 | antgel | we wrote a script for ipsec on windows. but there's no way to alter the default dns server from a script. can you believe it? |
| 18:22.18 | scenestar | OI |
| 18:22.25 | cadu | scenestar: OI ? |
| 18:22.28 | PGuardian | green_earz: thank you for all the info, i guess i got a lot to read now, and i appreciate not hearing: "learn better about linux before you use it" like on the linux channel on undernet :-) |
| 18:22.31 | scenestar | after i installed the new kernel imagae |
| 18:22.35 | scenestar | i did a uname -a |
| 18:22.36 | stew | antgel: sure there is |
| 18:22.41 | scenestar | its still the same 2.4 |
| 18:22.43 | OneSeventeen | well, I'm off to work, got to actually start developing a site since the webserver is up and running so quickly.. |
| 18:22.45 | scenestar | do i reboot now? |
| 18:22.48 | sepski | antgel, when it comes to that os i belive anything |
| 18:22.52 | cadu | scenestar: and kernel.2.6.11-ernestocheguevara ? |
| 18:22.58 | green_earz | PGuardian: have you got the two link i posted ? |
| 18:22.59 | cadu | you said kernel warfare :) |
| 18:23.01 | antgel | stew: then it's ironic that someone knew the answer in here, and what, pray, is it? |
| 18:23.10 | stew | antgel: oh wait |
| 18:23.11 | scenestar | hahah |
| 18:23.11 | scenestar | anyways |
| 18:23.16 | stew | antgel: heh, i missed the windows part :) |
| 18:23.19 | scenestar | after i did the ap-get intsll |
| 18:23.19 | sktrdie | abrotman: ok im reading |
| 18:23.24 | scenestar | what do i do |
| 18:23.26 | abrotman | sktrdie: good .. |
| 18:23.29 | antgel | !beer stew |
| 18:23.30 | scenestar | reboot the machine? |
| 18:23.34 | cadu | scenestar: pass #1 : check /etc/lilo.conf to make sure everything is right |
| 18:23.40 | abrotman | stew: yuengling is good! |
| 18:23.41 | Angel-SL | .. |
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| 18:23.46 | scenestar | errr, do i cat it? |
| 18:23.54 | Angel-SL | Google gave no result for my printer |
| 18:23.54 | stew | abrotman: i don't like lagers |
| 18:23.57 | cadu | scenestar: pass #2 : reboot and duck |
| 18:23.59 | ciga | is there a way to add a new user setting the minimum of the uid? |
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| 18:24.02 | PGuardian | green_earz: yes, i got both, and when the woody machine is reinstalled with sarge i'll try that package |
| 18:24.06 | abrotman | stew: porter/stouts? |
| 18:24.28 | stew | abrotman: yes. but yeunling's porter is a lager, which is an abomination in itself |
| 18:24.30 | PGuardian | green_earz: it was the first break in that i ever had, and so it is kinda shocking |
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| 18:24.31 | antgel | ciga: yes. /etc/adduser.conf |
| 18:24.46 | abrotman | stew: i've heard their black&tan is ok .. and the porter not as much |
| 18:24.58 | scenestar | errr |
| 18:25.01 | scenestar | it works |
| 18:25.04 | scenestar | thanks man |
| 18:25.10 | abrotman | could be a girl .. |
| 18:25.14 | stew | abrotman: their porter used to win awayrs, but their black and tan is also all lager which again, is an abomination |
| 18:25.18 | stew | awards* |
| 18:25.23 | jason^ | so i built a new kernel with make-kpkg and used the old kernel (2.6.11) .config with my 2.6.12.5 kernel, i didn't change any options, but now it just shows a black screen when i try to startup with it... any clues why that would happen? |
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| 18:25.32 | abrotman | stew: sly fox! |
| 18:25.37 | green_earz | PGuardian: just i case you do not have the doc > a very handy debian doc "Debian Reference" > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
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| 18:25.49 | stew | abrotman: some day... |
| 18:25.55 | green_earz | PGuardian: and all the best |
| 18:25.56 | abrotman | stew: tomorrow! |
| 18:25.56 | ciga | antgel: so I need to export FIRST_UID and then useradd, right? |
| 18:26.02 | stew | abrotman: i'm actually going to be in and around PA all of labor day weekend |
| 18:26.12 | Hmmhesays | bind is not hunting for me. I included multiple addresses for one name but it doesn't want to work |
| 18:26.16 | abrotman | stew: and we'll get dan2 to go .. and he can drool while we drink beer :) |
| 18:26.18 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone that is running unstable... can you tell me why the hell k3b is removed when I try to install kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data? This is BS :P |
| 18:26.22 | abrotman | stew: any Wyzard too! |
| 18:26.24 | abrotman | err and |
| 18:26.26 | Hmmhesays | do I have to include something in named.conf? |
| 18:26.39 | abrotman | !punish abrotman's fingers for being inaccurate |
| 18:26.40 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: Have you checked the BTS? :) |
| 18:26.50 | antgel | ciga: no, just alter the value in the file and use adduser, not useradd. adduser is a perl script to make useradd fruity. |
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| 18:26.53 | abrotman | arctic_: why did you msg me? |
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| 18:27.05 | PGuardian | green_earz: no i did not have that, i always used the debian.org website, but their search feature is offline lately, is there maybe also a book you can recommend ? |
| 18:27.13 | abrotman | !de |
| 18:27.13 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 18:27.15 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: it's a dependency thing... you think it would be in BTS? |
| 18:27.16 | abrotman | arctic_: ^^ |
| 18:27.23 | abrotman | arctic_: DO NOT msg people |
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| 18:27.32 | antgel | PGuardian: you can still search it with google, just add site:www.debian.org |
| 18:28.08 | daft | what can be wrong in a masqurating script that it isnt masqing https pages? |
| 18:28.13 | PGuardian | antgel: ahh, i didn't know that, thank you |
| 18:28.19 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: It's a bug, isn't it? :) |
| 18:28.21 | cadu | !punish arctic_ for messaging people |
| 18:28.27 | cadu | whoa :) |
| 18:28.28 | joel | arafat: you can msg me if you want |
| 18:28.28 | antgel | eww |
| 18:28.33 | cadu | who wrote the !punish messages ? |
| 18:28.34 | abrotman | arctic_: #debian.de ... |
| 18:28.35 | cadu | :-O |
| 18:28.40 | cadu | !de |
| 18:28.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 18:29.05 | abrotman | arctic_: /j #debian.de |
| 18:29.14 | abrotman | and STOP msg'ing me |
| 18:29.18 | sktrdie | abrotman: omg pinning is what I always wanted... |
| 18:29.22 | abrotman | well .. he can't now |
| 18:29.24 | skate | haha |
| 18:29.32 | abrotman | sktrdie: always? .. like .. more than transformers? |
| 18:29.42 | abrotman | more than the GI Joe HQ? or aircraft carrier? |
| 18:30.02 | abrotman | i want a Rattler |
| 18:30.14 | abrotman | none of that trouble bubble crap |
| 18:30.16 | abrotman | a rattler |
| 18:30.17 | sktrdie | abrotman: lol |
| 18:30.18 | ciga | antgel: I would not like to alter the file, but --firstuid seem to be okay for me. |
| 18:30.18 | douglas__ | man, /msging in here, especially abrotman or caphuso, is a lesson like planting your face down on a red hot electric gril |
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| 18:30.39 | abrotman | douglas__: in general .. it's frowned on in a public channel like this .. |
| 18:30.57 | douglas__ | abrotman: of course, i'm reaffirming what you advised to this gentleman |
| 18:31.02 | abrotman | douglas__: imagine if i spent an hour helping you in /msg .. then i got drunk and passed out .. you'd have to come back and explain it all over again :) |
| 18:31.04 | fken | whats the /msg for the installation of the creative sb live ? |
| 18:31.05 | douglas__ | as i am oldschool |
| 18:31.17 | abrotman | !sblive |
| 18:31.17 | dpkg | somebody said sblive was a soundcard with an emu10k1 chipset. modprobe emu10k1 && echo emu10k1 >>/etc/modules, or for better performance and features use the ALSA driver smd-emu10k1 instead of the OSS lite emu10k1. See also sblivedell |
| 18:31.20 | abrotman | weeeeee |
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| 18:31.36 | cahoot | smd-emu? |
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| 18:32.00 | douglas__ | hey abrotman: do you have kline abilities on this network |
| 18:32.02 | cadu | snd-emu10k1 |
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| 18:32.11 | fken | abrotman : thanks but its not the msg i require... Im sure someone here gave that to me |
| 18:32.12 | tarzeau | streuner: du hattest recht, mit allem. |
| 18:32.13 | cadu | douglas__: he has super duper god |
| 18:32.20 | cadu | douglas__: he got iddqd'f |
| 18:32.20 | abrotman | douglas__: i do not .. |
| 18:32.20 | scenestar | ugh |
| 18:32.23 | scenestar | ok |
| 18:32.25 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: see! |
| 18:32.28 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: You are wise ;) It's there... no solution so guessing it's a known and outstanding issue ;) |
| 18:32.29 | cadu | douglas__: people issued idkfa and iddqd on abrotman |
| 18:32.31 | abrotman | douglas__: why? |
| 18:32.32 | scenestar | before we get back to who has leet powers |
| 18:32.38 | scenestar | i need some very important hekp here |
| 18:32.45 | scenestar | for xserver |
| 18:32.47 | abrotman | fken: /msg dpkg listkeys live |
| 18:32.51 | PGuardian | laters, and thank you for helping |
| 18:32.52 | douglas__ | well technically you may not, but you could find the right people to get the job done, right |
| 18:32.53 | abrotman | !tell fken about search |
| 18:32.56 | dan2_ | abrotman: vonage announced IPO, I'm ready to throw all my money at it |
| 18:32.59 | scenestar | i cannot auto detect my gfx card |
| 18:32.59 | abrotman | douglas__: depends what for |
| 18:33.04 | fken | its not a live its a live 24bits 7.1 (http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix said the snd module is : Details (ca0106) |
| 18:33.10 | scenestar | what setting will be failsafe? |
| 18:33.15 | douglas__ | Just saying.. don't /msg abrotman uninvitedly |
| 18:33.17 | drac | scenestar: what card? |
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| 18:33.28 | scenestar | nvidea gforce go 5100 |
| 18:33.32 | scenestar | its a mobile gpu |
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| 18:33.39 | abrotman | douglas__: oh .. i wouldn't get someone klined for that .. and i don't think technically that's a valid reason |
| 18:33.42 | scenestar | and it uses oem drivers |
| 18:33.42 | drac | scenestar: use driver "nv" when "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" asks for it. |
| 18:33.53 | fken | abrotman : search ? its specific to this forum so how can i search alone ? |
| 18:33.53 | scenestar | err |
| 18:33.55 | scenestar | when is that?> |
| 18:33.58 | abrotman | d0ug: spamming maybe |
| 18:34.00 | Ox12 | hello, is there a package that allows me to add users in upper case? "CAPS LOCK |
| 18:34.03 | PerfDave | drac: I'm not sure that nv supports GeForce Go |
| 18:34.10 | abrotman | fken: /msg dpkg search .. dpkg has lots of factoids |
| 18:34.15 | sepski | scenestar, right after you run it :) |
| 18:34.17 | scenestar | haha |
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| 18:34.19 | drac | PerfDave: oh, I see *ditto* |
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| 18:34.20 | scenestar | cool |
| 18:34.22 | d0ug | abrotman: yes i know in this instance you exercised a proportional response |
| 18:34.27 | abrotman | !tell fken about sblive install |
| 18:34.28 | scenestar | any xkb rules? |
| 18:34.33 | drac | scenestar: then you probably want /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 18:34.35 | abrotman | fken: that it? |
| 18:34.39 | drac | !tell scenestar about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:34.49 | stew | antgel: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/netsh.mspx |
| 18:34.53 | Ox12 | someone answer me please? |
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| 18:35.24 | scenestar | ah god |
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| 18:35.33 | scenestar | the syanptics touchpad |
| 18:35.37 | d0ug | fooz: did you try just doigng it? or maybe rename the home directory to caps and the passwd file too? |
| 18:35.38 | scenestar | any special thinsg needed for that? |
| 18:35.48 | d0ug | i mean ox12 not fooz |
| 18:35.51 | fken | abrotman>link doesnt work |
| 18:35.52 | abrotman | Ox12: afaik .. user names are case sensitive |
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| 18:36.04 | abrotman | fken: any hints on what the last one said ? |
| 18:36.14 | Ox12 | abrotman: the package name is afaik? |
| 18:36.21 | tech13 | Ox12, 'adduser --force-badnames' or it looks like edit the name_regex to allow upper case |
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| 18:36.24 | fken | i dont get what hint mean |
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| 18:36.39 | abrotman | fken: the factoid someone told you before .. can you think of a word it contained? |
| 18:36.46 | xerophyte | if i have 15 ips alias on a eth0 and i can block traffic on certain ips am i right ? |
| 18:36.55 | steve_ | hey - how do i install my atheros card, i follow the bot's instructions- but still doesnt work |
| 18:36.59 | antgel | stew: lol been busy then. i seem to recall we did find this, but at the time it did everything but dns. thanks. now i'm off to #windows to ask them how to recompile my kernel. |
| 18:37.06 | LuCkYaN | hi , i get an error > Aug 25 21:32:22 www smokeping[30308]: RRDs::update ERROR: opening '/var/www/smokeping/Cs.rrd': Permission denied > that dir is owned by www-data .. don't understand what's the problem .. ? |
| 18:37.25 | stew | antgel: you should be able to do it via WMI as well |
| 18:37.32 | sepski | xerophyte, yes |
| 18:37.40 | sepski | xerophyte, using iptables |
| 18:37.41 | abrotman | LuCkYaN: are the permissions correct .. |
| 18:37.42 | fken | abrotman : the msg said go to http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix and its a dead link |
| 18:37.58 | abrotman | fken: ah .. let me look |
| 18:38.07 | Ox12 | tech13: where i could find the name_regex? |
| 18:38.16 | LuCkYaN | abrotman, drwxr-xr-x 3 www-data www-data 1024 Aug 25 17:13 smokeping |
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| 18:38.28 | abrotman | LuCkYaN: and the file? |
| 18:38.46 | dan2_ | abrotman: vonage is filing for IPO!!! |
| 18:38.47 | abrotman | fken: it wasn't from dpkg .... |
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| 18:38.56 | abrotman | dan2_: did you give me stock options? |
| 18:39.00 | LuCkYaN | abrotman, -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 2986668 Aug 25 17:09 Cs.rrd |
| 18:39.03 | dan2_ | abrotman: I'm throwing lots of money at it |
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| 18:39.11 | fken | "[dpkg] abrotman wants you to know: hmm... sblive install is http://rendler.hobbiton.org/linux/docs/Debian-SBLive-Install/Debian-SBLive-Install.xhtml" |
| 18:39.17 | d0ug | abrotman: do you give google a buy rating |
| 18:39.17 | abrotman | LuCkYaN: that might not be enough |
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| 18:39.29 | abrotman | d0ug: what's it at? |
| 18:39.54 | abrotman | fken: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix |
| 18:39.56 | LuCkYaN | abrotman, what do you mean ? |
| 18:39.59 | elephantman | Hi all |
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| 18:40.08 | oes | I am trying to use module assistant do download GAIM, I am trying to do it like this: "apt-get update && m-a prepare && m-a a-i gaim" . The message I get is "Building of the package gaim failed! |
| 18:40.10 | abrotman | LuCkYaN: might need an x bit for the other .. not sure .. sohuld be enough |
| 18:40.10 | fken | and a link opened to sound-blaster channel but the one who sent me there forgot the # lol |
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| 18:40.24 | elephantman | Is there a website where i can find a chart with best web hosting companies in the US ? |
| 18:40.25 | d0ug | 282.50, market cap 78.89 billion |
| 18:40.27 | fken | ty abrotman |
| 18:40.28 | oes | what can I do ? |
| 18:40.33 | tech13 | Ox12, looks like you need to add a line to /etc/adduser.conf with "USER_REGEX=^[A-Za-z][-A-Za-z0-9]*" |
| 18:40.47 | abrotman | d0ug: hey .. why not .. still less than my car payment .. hopefully with a better return :) |
| 18:40.48 | d0ug | abrotman: i'm talking long term, like five years at least |
| 18:41.04 | d0ug | abrotman: and ebay .. sell rating? |
| 18:41.05 | abrotman | d0ug: that's too much .. no way to tell .. google could be dead in 5 years |
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| 18:41.16 | fken | abrotman : I dont get why you send me back the link of alsa compatibility list ... |
| 18:41.20 | cactus | I am looking to install php5 with apt-get, I added dotdeb to my sources.list but it only has php4, were can I find a php5 .deb? |
| 18:41.22 | abrotman | wow .. there's an interesting thought .. google could be dead in five years |
| 18:41.28 | abrotman | fken: find your card .. click the details |
| 18:41.29 | antgel | stew: but can't do it for the default interface. have to provide name=something, so script breaks when they use a different network interface |
| 18:41.37 | Quag7 | abrotman has been paying attention to the dot com boom and bust :) |
| 18:41.45 | Quag7 | The higher you fly, the farther and faster you fall. |
| 18:41.47 | sparr_ | nvidia- packages are video drivers right? |
| 18:41.48 | d0ug | with the google desktop and all these other things they keep rolling out? microsoft's spooked somethign fierce i bet] |
| 18:42.13 | sepski | LuCkYaN, hmm my .rrd files for smokeping are not in /var/ww but in /var/lib/smokeping. the www dic contains the html files and png files |
| 18:42.13 | antgel | i would love to see the back of google - type in britney's tits and all you get is "search ebay for britney's tits", "search kelkoo for britney's tits" etc |
| 18:42.24 | tech13 | abrotman, or in five years they could buy a failing software company that was once a big name, but then alot can happen in five years. |
| 18:42.24 | scenestar | sparr_: you dont need them |
| 18:42.30 | stew | cactus: dotdeb has php5 |
| 18:42.39 | scenestar | all you need to do is upgrade or patch your kernel |
| 18:42.45 | antgel | cactus: did you update? |
| 18:43.04 | abrotman | tech13: yep |
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| 18:43.11 | d0ug | microsoft could afford to buy them.. well, on paper, dont know how much cash they got |
| 18:43.14 | abrotman | tech13: but DEC has already been bought :) |
| 18:43.19 | fken | "You must turn on the sound support soundcore module" how could i do to know if its done ? |
| 18:43.30 | peterrooney | oes: why not build from source? |
| 18:43.31 | abrotman | fken: are you running a 2.6 kernel ? |
| 18:43.37 | scenestar | i am |
| 18:43.43 | fken | yeah |
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| 18:43.45 | scenestar | and i'm loving it (tm) |
| 18:43.51 | abrotman | fken: and you have installed alsa? |
| 18:43.51 | tech13 | abrotman, so has Palm, but that hasn't stopped them from changing hands anyway.... |
| 18:43.53 | fken | 2.6.8 |
| 18:43.53 | abrotman | !alsa one liner |
| 18:43.55 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:44.09 | fken | I had to install it manually thans to the apt-get |
| 18:44.17 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 18:44.17 | dpkg | i guess alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf |
| 18:44.20 | oes | peterrooney: me newbie. am trying to avoid building from source as long as possible |
| 18:44.20 | cactus | Yes, I did update, but its downloading anyway so I guess I can call it a moot point now, thanks. |
| 18:44.21 | fken | so yes alsa is installed |
| 18:44.22 | antgel | palm is the worst. i used to be a fan but my t3 crashes left right and centre |
| 18:44.38 | abrotman | fken: oh .. then i have no idea .. ask #alsa .. i know how the debian stuff works . the stuff from the tar.gz could be different |
| 18:44.58 | stew | that alsa one-liner should probably mention that for 2.4 you need alsa-modules |
| 18:44.59 | scenestar | man, it took me 2 days to install this stuff |
| 18:45.11 | fken | hmmm ya |
| 18:45.16 | abrotman | oes: gaim is not a module |
| 18:45.19 | scenestar | and 30 mins when i found out that sarge was still on the 2.4 |
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| 18:45.35 | drac | scenestar: sarge has 2.6.8 on installation CD too. |
| 18:45.41 | stew | oes: apt-get install gaim |
| 18:45.42 | fken | maybe will it be more intersting to look in the "make menuconfig" of my kernel |
| 18:45.43 | scenestar | i have the dvd |
| 18:45.52 | fken | but I dunno where to write this command |
| 18:45.53 | drac | scenestar: it has 2.6.8 too. |
| 18:45.58 | r3v | scenestar: 2.6 is on the dvd |
| 18:45.58 | stew | fken: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:45.59 | fken | which repertory ? |
| 18:46.17 | fken | try to see if snd-core is installed in my kernel |
| 18:46.26 | cactus | Has anybody started useing gaim to get on Google's jabber server, It seems like gaim's jabber support is much slower than aim |
| 18:46.34 | r3v | scenestar: I have the sarge DVD set |
| 18:46.50 | stew | fken: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:46.52 | r3v | cactus: I have gaim on jabber.org's jabber server |
| 18:47.03 | fken | 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 |
| 18:47.06 | peterrooney | oes: ahh. i was wondering, because debian's packaging o gaim is usually several versions behind current gaim. gaim from source is quite good, and uses the standard./configure;make;make install. i'm out of other suggestions, then. |
| 18:47.09 | stew | fken: then it is |
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| 18:47.16 | fken | sure? |
| 18:47.19 | fken | ok ty |
| 18:47.28 | scenestar | i dont liek gaim, i prefer amsn |
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| 18:47.37 | LuCkYaN | sepski, done .. now didn't show me that error .. but problem is .. don't show me line ?? .. show me graphics .. but not line in grafic .. |
| 18:47.38 | sepski | oes, i'd try a simple sid backport before compiling from source |
| 18:47.42 | cactus | r3w, is gaims jabber support bad, or is google's jabber server just slow |
| 18:47.50 | fken | amsn is horribly buggy |
| 18:47.52 | stew | fken: yes, i'm sure |
| 18:48.00 | fken | so thank you |
| 18:48.03 | sepski | LuCkYaN, done what ? |
| 18:48.13 | PerfDave | Google Talk appears to be some half-assed Jabber implementation |
| 18:48.28 | cadu | it's jabber |
| 18:48.28 | t0ffel | I'm lost when it comes to navigating the official repository ftps. Where do I find source .debs? |
| 18:48.29 | r3v | r3v: i don't know... my gaim from sid works just fine with jabber.org |
| 18:48.36 | cadu | works fine |
| 18:48.37 | antgel | all we need is apple to bring out the iGoogle |
| 18:48.39 | Ronin | PerfDave: nice simple plain jane chat client, no bells or whistles |
| 18:48.40 | cadu | but Psi doesn'tr works :) |
| 18:48.45 | antgel | !start an im war |
| 18:48.46 | dpkg | kit 0wnz |
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| 18:48.53 | LuCkYaN | sepski, show me graphics .. but on graphics didn't show me lines .. with ping |
| 18:48.53 | PerfDave | cadu: Except you can't talk to non-Google Talk Jabber users with it? |
| 18:48.56 | cadu | !start an im war |
| 18:48.56 | dpkg | aim owns |
| 18:48.58 | fken | im dumb : i fund the command |
| 18:49.01 | r3v | cactus: see message i typed to myself on accident :) |
| 18:49.03 | sepski | LuCkYaN, yes, but what did you do to it ? |
| 18:49.05 | fken | modinfo soundcore |
| 18:49.06 | scenestar | well, who cares about google chat/ |
| 18:49.12 | cadu | PerfDave: they must have disabled messages to other jabber servers |
| 18:49.13 | nvz | t0ffel: use apt-get or apt-src |
| 18:49.13 | PerfDave | scenestar: Lots of stupid people ;) |
| 18:49.19 | PerfDave | cadu: Hence "half arsed" |
| 18:49.25 | cadu | PerfDave: ^^ |
| 18:49.26 | sepski | LuCkYaN, the lines dont show until time have passed smokeping tests every 10 minutes |
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| 18:49.42 | scenestar | finally |
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| 18:49.50 | scenestar | i have a gui again |
| 18:49.52 | d0ug | by the way .. the eye irritation many of us get after 15 hours of monitor-gazing is caused not so much by straining your eyes on small resolution things at high brightness/contrast forever, rather, people who engage in monitor-staring tend to blink less frequently, thereby causing said problems. They got eyedrops that stimulate blinking (they=othemologists) ... I *think*] |
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| 18:50.01 | Ungy | what a pain in the butt I couldn't find the syntax highlighting for csharp in bluefish I had to add it. |
| 18:50.06 | d0ug | i meant high resolution |
| 18:50.08 | cactus | r3w, oh, well ig might be google, whenever I connect to google talk it seems to go much slower, and work less frequetly than my connections to other services |
| 18:50.13 | LuCkYaN | sepski, Aug 25 21:50:02 www smokeping[31555]: RRDs::update ERROR: opening '/var/lib/smokeping/LuCkYaN/DeckNET/Cs.rrd': Permission denied |
| 18:50.29 | nvz | higher refresh rates are better on the eyes |
| 18:50.39 | nvz | as well as more light than just the screen |
| 18:50.39 | d0ug | really? higher? |
| 18:50.41 | ray | i thought csharp was a windows only language? |
| 18:50.50 | bucky | Ungy, if you're using Csharp then that's the easy part |
| 18:50.53 | d0ug | nvz: alls i'm saying is dont forget to blink bro |
| 18:50.55 | sepski | LuCkYaN, you are letting smokeping try to generate those files right ? |
| 18:50.56 | nvz | I've got two screens.. its well lit here :P |
| 18:51.03 | Ungy | bucky csharp is a great language |
| 18:51.10 | bucky | it's easy |
| 18:51.13 | antgel | Ungy: for cocks :P |
| 18:51.14 | d0ug | 'atta boy |
| 18:51.17 | r3v | ray: there is c# for linux |
| 18:51.28 | LuCkYaN | LuCkYaN, yes .. and on /messages on logs give me that error |
| 18:51.38 | antgel | !start a language war |
| 18:51.38 | dpkg | csh is cleaner than Haskell |
| 18:51.47 | d0ug | why do i keep hearing talk of these other so-called computer programming languages when we already have php?!? |
| 18:51.51 | Ungy | antgel whatever you say I like it personally but whatever you want |
| 18:52.17 | antgel | Ungy: i hear ya |
| 18:52.25 | ray | is debian.org still down? |
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| 18:52.50 | d0ug | ray: i'm not sure |
| 18:52.54 | ArtistAgent | ray doesnt seem to be |
| 18:52.58 | Ronin | seems fine |
| 18:53.16 | ray | can somebody help me with amixer and alsamixer? |
| 18:53.19 | nvz | I couldnt get my two pcs to get the same resolution lefty is at 800x600 and right is at 1024x768, so I left my terminal on the right at 106x42@12x24 and made the one on the right 106x42@9x15 so that it could fit the same sized screen dual-attached over there |
| 18:53.33 | cadu | !start a game war |
| 18:53.33 | dpkg | CS sucks rocks! |
| 18:53.38 | cadu | ?? sucks rocks ?? |
| 18:53.42 | nvz | that way I can toggle screens on either monitor with ease not have to worry about their terminal size |
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| 18:54.00 | PerfDave | d0ug: Yes, there are lots of so-called programming languages, and PHP is one of them ;) |
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| 18:54.19 | sepski | LuCkYaN, hmm. is your smokeping daemon running as www-data ? mine runs as smokeping |
| 18:54.52 | LuCkYaN | sepski, i don't know , how i check that ? |
| 18:55.01 | sepski | LuCkYaN, and the files in /var/lib/smokeping is owned by smokeping, but www-data can read them |
| 18:55.16 | d0ug | hey someone good at math (or has gimp open), please tell me how much resolution it takes to yield A4 sized prints with 300 dpi? |
| 18:55.27 | fken | abrotman : http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Live+7.1.&chip=SB0410%2C+P17&module=ca0106#opt |
| 18:55.36 | antgel | LuCkYaN: ps aux |grep smoke |
| 18:55.43 | fken | look at the line "cp /downloads/alsa-* ." |
| 18:55.47 | sepski | LuCkYaN, ps aux | grep smoke |
| 18:55.52 | fken | i cant understand what they wanna do |
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| 18:56.08 | LuCkYaN | sepski, by www-data 31316 0.1 9.1 10704 5676 ? Ss 21:27 0:01 /usr/bin/speedy_backend -w /var/www/smokeping/smokeping.cgi |
| 18:56.12 | ray | can somebody help me with amixer and alsamixer? |
| 18:56.36 | antgel | !tell ray about ask |
| 18:56.40 | abrotman | fken: modprobe soundcore ? |
| 18:56.45 | sepski | LuCkYaN, ohhhh your running speedy, that never worked for me, i googles it and noticed many other had issues also. so i replaced it with regular |
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| 18:56.57 | sepski | LuCkYaN, and that's not the smokeping daemoons |
| 18:57.09 | sepski | LuCkYaN, /etc/init.d/smokeping restart then ps aux again |
| 18:57.17 | fken | but ive no /download on my computer |
| 18:57.26 | ray | ok i get the following error when trying to run alsamixer alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
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| 18:58.12 | t0ffel | nvz: I just figured it be better to download the source .debs directly than messing with sources.list. The sources I need (gaim 1.5 & co) are not in testing, and the binary packages depend on some stuff that's not in testing either |
| 18:58.24 | antgel | fken: these drivers are in debian, why would you need to follow this website? just insert the relevant kernel modules |
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| 18:58.58 | nvz | t0ffel: oh sure its always better to pretend like you know more than debian developers and do things the hard way resolving build deps by hand |
| 18:58.59 | antgel | fken: and read the debian reference manual. don't fuck with stuff not in local |
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| 18:59.31 | Bobby_Grac1 | What is th easiest way to remove unwanted applications as clean as possible ? |
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| 18:59.35 | antgel | ray: does your sound work? |
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| 18:59.48 | Rus0 | hi |
| 18:59.53 | cadu | nvz: so what's the easy way of getting new software on stable releases like stable or testing ? |
| 18:59.55 | ray | antgel: yeah it works.... |
| 18:59.58 | Quag7 | What is the switch to list niceness/pri in the ps command? |
| 18:59.58 | cadu | nvz: just wait ? |
| 19:00.01 | abrotman | Bobby_Grac1: man dpkg; man apt-get |
| 19:00.07 | abrotman | Bobby_Grac1: keyword .. Purge |
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| 19:00.10 | antgel | Bobby_Grac1: as you would see if you read the debian reference, apt-get remove --purge removes the apps _and_ config files |
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| 19:00.50 | abrotman | !tell scenestar about away |
| 19:01.00 | nvz | cadu: ask someone else random questions, I aint the one |
| 19:01.08 | fken | antgel: what kernelm module ? |
| 19:01.25 | cahoot | d03boy: 3300x2550 |
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| 19:01.25 | antgel | ray: works with alsa? sure you're not hearing oss sound? |
| 19:01.34 | Rus0 | i've downloaded this executable from ati.com ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-i386.run wich is adriver |
| 19:01.34 | antgel | ray: lsmod |grep snd |
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| 19:01.40 | xixor | yo everyone |
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| 19:01.47 | ray | antgel: no im hearing both alsa and oss......k hold on |
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| 19:02.05 | Rus0 | but my system thinks that it is text |
| 19:02.05 | xixor | I am just in Debian again for the first time in a year or so, glad to see a lot of progress going on |
| 19:02.06 | madclicker | is there a difference between ispell or aspell? |
| 19:02.09 | saloxin | cadu: try /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:02.12 | cadu | nvz: it's not random, i got you and t0ffel talking about software and source debs and got curious |
| 19:02.12 | antgel | fken: the one for your soundcard. did you read what abrotman told you? |
| 19:02.16 | t0ffel | nvz: I don't follow.. I'd just prefer to get a proper install of gaim 1.5 that can be removed with apt. If you're referring to my obvious need to be running the latest software, I've been running unstable for a few months until it recently broke on me :P |
| 19:02.22 | Rus0 | how do i turn in to an executable? |
| 19:02.24 | ray | antgel: where can i paste the results? |
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| 19:02.34 | antgel | !topicsmite ray |
| 19:02.35 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ray. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:02.40 | abrotman | honestly .. fken compiled his own alsa .. he should be asking #alsa IMO |
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| 19:02.53 | nvz | t0ffel: I am talking about apt already being programmed to fetch you source and resolve build deps |
| 19:02.54 | cahoot | madclicker: aspell more suited for american/english AFAIK |
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| 19:03.02 | Rus0 | ./ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-i386.run says permission denied |
| 19:03.05 | antgel | abrotman: oh, he did? what a plum i am. |
| 19:03.17 | abrotman | antgel: more of a pear IMO |
| 19:03.19 | cadu | ahahahha |
| 19:03.26 | antgel | !pear |
| 19:03.26 | dpkg | [pear] a flesh emitome of fruit. Otherwise known as the PHP classes. http://pear.php.org/ |
| 19:03.26 | Quag7 | Rus0, try chmod +x filename |
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| 19:03.31 | itom | greycat, Delete spam me |
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| 19:03.46 | fken | relatively to alsa website : modprobe snd-card-ca0106 is the module but this command doesnt work |
| 19:03.48 | paster | "ray" at 24.128.148.122 pasted "lsmod |grep snd" (10 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/555 |
| 19:03.51 | itom | deleric, is a porn spam bot |
| 19:03.55 | itom | ops |
| 19:03.58 | antgel | !tell Rus0 about ati drivers |
| 19:04.00 | itom | delete, is a porn spam bot |
| 19:04.07 | LoneWlf | um... |
| 19:04.13 | LoneWlf | when did we start letting them into channel? |
| 19:04.23 | ray | antgel: http://channels.debian.net/paste/555 |
| 19:04.29 | LoneWlf | I thought we had ways of making sure that they were identified and sent running home to mama |
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| 19:05.38 | t0ffel | nvz: I tried 'apt-get source gaim' and 'uupdate' to 1.5, but it failed miserably. I probably misunderstood you though :/ |
| 19:05.45 | fken | i already tried everything people adviced me here and strangely I think i was close (ca0106 was recognized and installed but there still was no snd) |
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| 19:06.06 | rbd | I'm working on making a debian binary package with custom preinst, postinst, prerm and postrm scripts. I'm getting errors when trying to install from these scripts, is there a way to test them individually to get better output of where the errors lie exactly? |
| 19:06.06 | fken | but it worked when I had the 2.6.11-7 kernel |
| 19:06.07 | Rus0 | Quag7:antgel: thank you people |
| 19:06.13 | antgel | do we _really_ want to remove the porn bot? |
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| 19:06.37 | deadcat | whatup with aim and centericq lately? cant login. |
| 19:06.44 | ray | antgel: any ideas? |
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| 19:06.59 | PeterB | !ops delete Delete please. Onjoin spam. |
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| 19:07.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: delete Delete please. Onjoin spam. |
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| 19:07.30 | nvz | greycat: too late |
| 19:07.30 | greycat | whoops. /me too slow. |
| 19:07.32 | antgel | ray: easy tiger. not really. you running stable? if not, i could blame that. :) otherwise, make sure the user running the command is in the audio group. |
| 19:07.33 | nvz | :) |
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| 19:07.55 | jasoncohen | my debian box is losing time like crazy. i've lost about 20 seconds in 3 hours. I thought it was the CMOS battery but i put in one i had in an unused mobo and the problem hasn't gone away |
| 19:08.10 | antgel | jasoncohen: are you _really_ high up? |
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| 19:08.12 | cadu | oh my gosh |
| 19:08.15 | ray | antgel: im really thinking a module isnt getting loaded |
| 19:08.19 | jasoncohen | antgel, no |
| 19:08.23 | cadu | greycat: you're a #debian ubergod !? :( |
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| 19:08.26 | cadu | wooooooooo |
| 19:08.28 | cahoot | jasoncohen: apic + broken bios? |
| 19:08.33 | jasoncohen | antgel, this is only happening on one machine. my desktop is fine |
| 19:08.33 | tarzeau | hi cadu |
| 19:08.39 | cadu | tarzeau: ^^ |
| 19:08.39 | r3v | jasoncohen: do you by chance have 50hz power instead of 60 (or vice versa?) |
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| 19:08.54 | r3v | jasoncohen: nevermind |
| 19:08.54 | fken | reboot |
| 19:08.56 | jasoncohen | r3v, i'm in the US |
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| 19:09.00 | antgel | ray: don't think so. the module i was thinking of is the oss mixer. so when you type groups, you see audio? |
| 19:09.13 | jasoncohen | cahoot, i believe APIC is disabled in the BIOS. what should i check for? |
| 19:09.19 | greycat | cadu: no, ElectricElf is the ubergod |
| 19:09.23 | antgel | jasoncohen: could install ntpd as a workaround. maybe. |
| 19:09.30 | NickDotH | hey guys, I am trying to install debian on this HP LH4 Net Server but I am getting an modprobe error when its trying to install the network card, anyone got any ideas? |
| 19:09.38 | cadu | greycat: you're just the ubergod's righthand, right |
| 19:09.39 | cadu | ? |
| 19:09.40 | tarzeau | NickDotH: hah! |
| 19:09.45 | tarzeau | NickDotH: what nic is it? |
| 19:09.50 | jasoncohen | antgel, it doesn't seem to work |
| 19:09.58 | antgel | jasoncohen: what doesn't? |
| 19:09.59 | ray | antgel: yes im in audio.........thanks for the help im gonna do some googling |
| 19:10.02 | tarzeau | NickDotH: i've patched up d-i sarge for 2.4.31 ;) |
| 19:10.11 | antgel | ray: i assumed you had |
| 19:10.15 | antgel | !googlesmite ray |
| 19:10.19 | jasoncohen | antgel, ntpq shows a connection to a ntp server but it still loses time |
| 19:10.19 | tarzeau | NickDotH: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ i can also give you the netboot images if you want |
| 19:10.32 | antgel | jasoncohen: ntpq or ntpd? |
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| 19:10.34 | jasoncohen | antgel, the temporary solution i had was to set a cron job to run ntpdate every 5 minutes |
| 19:10.37 | NickDotH | you think the older kernal will work? |
| 19:10.44 | girdappp | hi |
| 19:10.49 | tarzeau | NickDotH: older? |
| 19:10.52 | kvidell | anyone here a pilot? |
| 19:10.54 | girdappp | selam |
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| 19:10.56 | jasoncohen | antgel, i installed ntp-server and ntpd is running. i used ntpq to check for a connection |
| 19:10.56 | tarzeau | NickDotH: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 are old. |
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| 19:11.12 | tarzeau | kvidell: in supertransball2 yeah ;) |
| 19:11.13 | deadcat | gaim guy able to login to aim? cant do it with centericq lately. anyone know what the f is going on? |
| 19:11.16 | polyfractal_ | I have something listening on port 2710 (did a netstat -l), how can I tell what the process/owner of that is? |
| 19:11.25 | cahoot | jasoncohen: cat /proc/interrupts says XT-PIC? |
| 19:11.28 | antgel | jasoncohen: ok. i'm surprised that ntpd doesn't keep it in check and a bodge with ntpdate doesn't. |
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| 19:11.39 | antgel | doesn't => does (second one) |
| 19:11.39 | kvidell | lol. :-P |
| 19:11.45 | sepski | jasoncohen, that's not a vmware guest is it ? |
| 19:11.58 | jasoncohen | sepski, no |
| 19:12.03 | deadcat | if i want to cat /dev/hda do i have to mount as ro or just cat? |
| 19:12.20 | NickDotH | tarzeau: cheers, I'm a bit new to debian, what do I do with the .deb file? |
| 19:12.21 | ray | antgel: figured it out |
| 19:12.26 | sepski | jasoncohen, the output of ntpq did it show that ntpd had conencted and recived ntp packets and was at a sane st setting ? |
| 19:12.28 | jasoncohen | cahoot, no XT-PIC |
| 19:12.30 | tarzeau | NickDotH: install it , if you can |
| 19:12.37 | tarzeau | NickDotH: and see if your network card works afterwards |
| 19:12.40 | antgel | deadcat: if you want to cat /dev/hda, you probably know enough to answer that yourself :) |
| 19:12.48 | jasoncohen | cahoot, the weird thing is that this just started happening. i've been using the same mobo for over a year |
| 19:12.49 | tarzeau | NickDotH: do you have only one computer to install or 2..n ? |
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| 19:13.10 | deadcat | antgel: not the mount ro or no mount part (=. my guess is that i dont have to mount |
| 19:13.14 | cahoot | jasoncohen: what does it say then? io-apic? |
| 19:13.34 | jasoncohen | cahoot, io-apic |
| 19:13.45 | antgel | deadcat: you don't need to mount a device to access it via /dev, but i hope you have a good reason for this, in fact i'm rather curious |
| 19:13.47 | concept10 | Question about debian security - there was a security advisory for mozilla-thunderbird. Wlll the upgraded patches and bugs fixes go upstream to mozilla org? |
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| 19:13.58 | NickDotH | tarzeau: I have one server I need to install this on. |
| 19:13.59 | jasoncohen | cahoot, http://pastebin.ca/21144 |
| 19:14.00 | deadcat | antgel: | nc (= |
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| 19:14.02 | Mortalman-afk | deadcat: Why are you cating /dev/hda ? |
| 19:14.03 | cahoot | jasoncohen: ok - I'd try disabling apic at boot and see |
| 19:14.07 | tarzeau | NickDotH: can it network boot? |
| 19:14.15 | antgel | concept10: i reckon |
| 19:14.20 | jasoncohen | sepski, "peer" shows " server1.medigli 192.36.144.22 2 u 883 1024 377 165.894 -18693. 2010.84" |
| 19:14.23 | bassM | starting MTA: exim4 takes ages when I boot and I don't know why, anyone? |
| 19:14.26 | NickDotH | tarzeau: I don't think it can, no |
| 19:14.34 | deadcat | Mortalman-afk: | nc |
| 19:14.34 | jasoncohen | cahoot, how would i do that? |
| 19:14.36 | tarzeau | NickDotH: check it, maybe it can |
| 19:14.39 | antgel | bassM: it's a faq, looking to resolve name on startup |
| 19:14.50 | tarzeau | NickDotH: can you enter the bios? and see if it has networkboot/UNDI in the boot config? |
| 19:14.52 | sepski | jasoncohen, shows that it's conencted but way off, try the noapic. |
| 19:14.52 | Mortalman-afk | deadcat: Wtf is | nc ? |
| 19:14.57 | deadcat | Notorious: netcat. |
| 19:15.06 | deepan | say i have written a new program.. and want to make it get copyright for that.. whom should i approach for getting copyright ? |
| 19:15.15 | bassM | antgel: ok, thanks |
| 19:15.17 | antgel | sepski: respect that you can read ntp data and not fall asleep |
| 19:15.27 | NickDotH | tarzeau: ok, although its two flights of stairs away, so bare with me |
| 19:15.40 | greycat | deepan: a lawyer |
| 19:15.40 | antgel | bassM: there's a setting to stop it searching and if you'd bothered to google, you'd have found it |
| 19:15.42 | jasoncohen | sepski, "root=/dev/hdb8 ro noapic" |
| 19:15.43 | jasoncohen | ? |
| 19:15.45 | cahoot | jasoncohen: add 'noapic' to the kernel line in menu.lst |
| 19:15.50 | tarzeau | NickDotH: i'm here for a few more hours, don't hurry |
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| 19:15.54 | oes | how do I configure KDE to start aps automatocally in startup ? |
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| 19:16.00 | sepski | antgel, i spent days trying to get 2.6 to stay on time on vmware esx. just had to give up it lost 30 minutes in an hour :P |
| 19:16.10 | sepski | runing 2.4 now happily |
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| 19:16.23 | bassM | antgel: I actually googled, guess I'm just bad at it... =/ |
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| 19:17.05 | bucky | !/dpkg about marillat |
| 19:17.07 | drac | oes: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Autostart_Programs#KDE (It's explained here.. yeah, it's Gentoo Wiki, but doesn't matter) |
| 19:17.33 | oes | thanks |
| 19:17.42 | antgel | bassM: oh? try debian exim4 hang startup, and search groups (avoids all the web forum shite) |
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| 19:18.04 | deadcat | !beer drac |
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| 19:18.13 | antgel | bassM: hold that thought |
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| 19:18.31 | polyfractal | I have something listening on port 2710 (did a netstat -l), how can I tell what the process/owner of that is? |
| 19:18.47 | vett | polyfractal: lsof |
| 19:18.49 | sepski | polyfractal, netstat -plont |
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| 19:19.21 | polyfractal | Sepski: thanks |
| 19:19.22 | NickDotH | tarzeau: yesh, Network is in the boot list |
| 19:19.26 | polyfractal | And thanks vett |
| 19:19.33 | cr3 | what command(s) should I use to manage scripts under /etc/init.d, like enabling a script on startup with all those symlinks for example. |
| 19:19.45 | tarzeau | NickDotH: great, let me prepare you my d-i stuff... ok? |
| 19:19.46 | deadcat | cr3: update-rc.d |
| 19:19.47 | vett | polyfractal: err, i think i've made a mistake |
| 19:19.47 | greycat | cr3: ln, chmod |
| 19:19.54 | tarzeau | NickDotH: you have another debian box with tftpd and dhcp3-server ? |
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| 19:19.56 | noloK | hi |
| 19:20.26 | antgel | bassM: s/exim4/mta but the answer i wanted still isn't there. most advice is to hack /etc/hosts. i'm sure there's an exim setting, but can't find it. |
| 19:20.31 | noloK | how i can grep how many times a word is repeating in a file? |
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| 19:21.10 | NickDotH | tarzeau: I can do, yes |
| 19:21.29 | jasoncohen | cahoot, so add noapic and then run grub-install /dev/hda? |
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| 19:21.37 | polyfractal | Another question. If I have a binary in some obscure directory, how do I make it so that I can just type the binary name and it will run, regardless of where I am at in the dir structure? |
| 19:21.44 | cahoot | jasoncohen: no need reinstalling grub |
| 19:21.48 | deadcat | when i cat something and | nc <options>, am i suppose to hit ^D when done or it close connection by itself? i seemto have to his ^D testing a file. |
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| 19:21.57 | greycat | polyfractal: put it in /usr/local/bin |
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| 19:22.03 | tarzeau | NickDotH: ok let me put the stuff up |
| 19:22.09 | NickDotH | tarzeau: cheers :) |
| 19:22.12 | jim | deadcat: depends on the something |
| 19:22.15 | greycat | polyfractal: if you don't want to move it, symlink it from /usr/local/bin |
| 19:22.20 | polyfractal | Ahh, ok |
| 19:22.21 | noloK | how i can grep how many times a word is repeating in a file? |
| 19:22.23 | polyfractal | How do you symlink?> |
| 19:22.27 | greycat | noloK: man grep, -c |
| 19:22.39 | cbr | ln -s file symlink |
| 19:22.44 | deadcat | jim: /dev/hda, /etc/passwd |
| 19:22.52 | jasoncohen | cahoot, could APIC suddenly start screwing up the system clock when it was fine before? |
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| 19:22.57 | polyfractal | Thanks cbr |
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| 19:23.28 | bassM | antgel: ok, I guess I'll have to look into it then, unfortunately I'm currently surfing on gprs and it's damn slow, just moved and my adsl line won't be setup for a week or so =/ |
| 19:23.36 | cahoot | jasoncohen: on my mobo apic srews up time - some bioses are broken in that respect |
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| 19:23.48 | fken | ok |
| 19:23.54 | oes | does the ATI Linux drivers work with laptops ? |
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| 19:23.56 | fken | I fund a way to install |
| 19:24.09 | antgel | bassM: got it. in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf, you need to set dc_minimaldns='true' |
| 19:24.12 | ray | oes: they should |
| 19:24.15 | fken | Im not sure it work for now but alsaconf fund my card |
| 19:24.17 | r3v | deadcat: did I see that you were gonna cat /dev/hda | nc ? |
| 19:24.25 | jim | deadcat: if the something you're cutting is not stdin, then you dont' have to ctrl-D |
| 19:24.30 | r3v | deadcat: why would you do that? |
| 19:24.42 | fken | SB live! 24bits 7.1 require the 2.6.11-9 kernel |
| 19:24.43 | antgel | bassM: then update-exim4.conf then restart exim |
| 19:24.45 | deadcat | r3v: yes.. backup/ghost? |
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| 19:24.51 | jim | cat or cut? |
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| 19:25.07 | deadcat | jim: cat /etc/passwd | nc options |
| 19:25.09 | jim | oh, cat... I misread |
| 19:25.18 | bassM | antgel: thank you, I'll try it! =) |
| 19:25.22 | deadcat | jim: nc options > filename |
| 19:26.03 | jim | and the "> filename" is meant to happen on the remote? |
| 19:26.30 | jim | or what is it you're redirecting? |
| 19:26.39 | jim | what do you even want to do? |
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| 19:27.03 | nooneelse | how do i install the X with apt ? |
| 19:27.07 | nooneelse | apt-get install X ? |
| 19:27.14 | greycat | x-window-system |
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| 19:27.35 | polyfractal | How do you kill a process by process name instead of pid? |
| 19:27.36 | cadu | greycat: xserver-xfree86 + the window manager he wants isn't better ? |
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| 19:27.43 | cadu | greycat: less packages bla bla bla |
| 19:27.53 | cadu | greycat: x-window-system even installs twm :) |
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| 19:27.57 | deadcat | jim: i want to cat my hda to the remove machine's hda |
| 19:27.57 | greycat | cadu: x-window-system-core if you insist |
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| 19:28.24 | jasoncohen | cahoot, now cat /proc/interrupts shows XT-PIC |
| 19:28.25 | greycat | deadcat: I hope you aren't *running* from the remote box's hda. |
| 19:28.29 | vett | polyfractal: killall |
| 19:28.29 | Quinn_Storm | I'm kinda half-considering building a system based on an addition to traditional package management. The idea I have in mind is to have each package -actually- be installed into /pkg/$category/$packagename/ but symlinked into the regular locations...I'm wondering about the possibility of using debian as a base for something like this, and of course retaining full compatibility with vanilla debian packages |
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| 19:28.37 | bassM | antgel: It worked, thank you again! |
| 19:28.42 | deadcat | greycat: both localnetwork |
| 19:28.48 | greycat | deadcat: or, for that matter, from the *local* box's hda either! |
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| 19:28.58 | polyfractal | Vett: :P |
| 19:29.00 | deadcat | greycat: bad idea? |
| 19:29.04 | jim | deadcat: I'd recommend you do it one partition at a time, and use tar on both sides |
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| 19:29.10 | greycat | deadcat: network doesn't matter. you have to be running from RAM disk, or SCSI disks, or something other than hda. |
| 19:29.18 | jasoncohen | cahoot, do i want it to say XT-PIC? |
| 19:29.25 | cadu | Quinn_Storm: that would be useful for what ? |
| 19:29.33 | cadu | Quinn_Storm: for running out of inodes quickly ? |
| 19:29.33 | cahoot | jasoncohen: yes that means apic isn't enabled |
| 19:29.34 | cadu | :-) |
| 19:29.36 | deadcat | greycat: i plan to use livecd on both machine then read the hda from 1 box to the other |
| 19:29.43 | deadcat | jim: tar dont do mbr |
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| 19:29.53 | greycat | deadcat: ok. |
| 19:29.58 | nathan_ | ntify lickalike |
| 19:30.00 | Quinn_Storm | cadu: well it would be useful for tracking "for sure" what package owns what, avoiding file ownership conflicts, figuring out packages installed-sizes, etc. |
| 19:30.00 | nathan_ | oops |
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| 19:30.14 | deadcat | nathan_: thanks for the passwd (= |
| 19:30.14 | jasoncohen | cahoot, ntpq now shows " mail.linicks.ne 195.40.0.250 3 u 38 64 7 108.545 41.929 28.419" |
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| 19:30.17 | jasoncohen | is that better? |
| 19:30.21 | Quinn_Storm | and it would only use 2x the regular # of inodes b/c it'd only make one symlink per file at most |
| 19:30.24 | fmarostica | My X.org and CTRL+ALT+Fxx does not work how fix it |
| 19:30.28 | nathan_ | deadcat: any time :) |
| 19:30.30 | cahoot | jasoncohen: nfi |
| 19:30.37 | jasoncohen | nfi? |
| 19:30.47 | nvz | I am getting sick of looking at these roofers. if 4 guys cant tear that roof off in 2 weeks clean it up and put a new one on something is wrong with em. I've done jobs twice that size with half the crew in a day |
| 19:31.09 | jasoncohen | cahoot, the delay, offset and jitter #s keep going up |
| 19:31.12 | cadu | sometimes, when i switch vt's between X and console and back the screen gets black and locked up ...what can be causing this ? |
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| 19:31.17 | jim | deadcat: or the chainloader if any |
| 19:31.19 | nvz | I don't know how they make any money doing shit that slow |
| 19:31.27 | Quinn_Storm | cadu: a sucky graphics card, drivers, or both |
| 19:31.28 | cadu | the only way to unlock my box is to reboot or ssh into it and KILL X |
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| 19:31.40 | r3v | nvz: paid by the hour |
| 19:31.47 | cadu | i'm using a geforce fx 5200 with nvidia drivers |
| 19:31.53 | cadu | custom kernel :) |
| 19:32.00 | cadu | 2.6.11.7 |
| 19:32.07 | nvz | r3v: yeah well someone has to be paying them. and that someone gets paid by the job |
| 19:32.14 | r3v | cadu: I had that problem awhile ago, till i updated drivers |
| 19:32.16 | cahoot | jasoncohen: I believe you'll have to give ntp some time to settle before passing any judgment |
| 19:32.22 | Quinn_Storm | well my solution is always to just avoid CAFxxing out of X |
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| 19:32.44 | jasoncohen | ok, now the #s are going down |
| 19:32.47 | cadu | r3v: strnagely the machine isn't locked up , just the screen gets blacked out and i can't switch vts nor kill x ...nothing |
| 19:32.49 | skate | yo, i installed alsa on stable like two weeks ago and it worked fine |
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| 19:32.52 | jasoncohen | before they were in the thousands |
| 19:32.53 | jeld | hello all |
| 19:32.56 | cadu | r3v: i have to ssh into my box and kill x or reboot (shitty) |
| 19:33.00 | ray | hello |
| 19:33.04 | skate | how come when i just rebooted i had to run alsaconf again before sound would work? |
| 19:33.10 | r3v | cadu: are you sure you can't do anything? |
| 19:33.12 | jim | deadcat, you could do the mbr separately, but you maybe also have to get the N sectors after the mbr which might contain a chainloader |
| 19:33.12 | greycat | because ALSA sucks? |
| 19:33.14 | nvz | !(4*8)*10 |
| 19:33.14 | dpkg | 320 |
| 19:33.16 | skate | :( |
| 19:33.19 | cahoot | skate: misconfig |
| 19:33.26 | mwelsh | can anyone think of a program that is good at rasing the temperature of a cpu? i need to do a stress test |
| 19:33.27 | Tye_ | cadu: Sorry, just jumping in. You can't ctrl+alt+f2 or something? |
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| 19:33.34 | r3v | cadu: without seeing, i'd ctrl+alt+F1, log in, kill X, and it would be better |
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| 19:33.52 | skate | it seems to work fine afteri run alsaconf again |
| 19:33.54 | jim | greycat: that wouldn't explain why some do some don't, which could be user error |
| 19:33.55 | Quinn_Storm | mwelsh: cpuburn? |
| 19:33.57 | fken | alsaconf returned Architecture-specific modutils configuration not found, using defaults |
| 19:34.03 | nvz | my calculations say if the roofers are paid 10/hr they've already made over $3,200 and thats like a $1,200 job |
| 19:34.03 | vett | skate: try to reconfigure alsa (or alsa-base), there's an option to save on exit IIRC |
| 19:34.08 | jeld | mwelsh, cpuburn |
| 19:34.10 | fken | my arch is amd64 |
| 19:34.14 | cadu | r3v: i can't move |
| 19:34.14 | deadcat | jim: lets forget the hda senario. i just want to know why cat hello | nc -v ip 3333 is waiting eventhough i am listening on the other machine |
| 19:34.18 | mwelsh | danke |
| 19:34.22 | greycat | jim: if ALSA didn't suck, it would just work by default. instead of requiring un-muting and all that. |
| 19:34.27 | cadu | r3v: it's really locked man |
| 19:34.38 | cadu | r3v: i can't switch vts and blindy log in and kill x |
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| 19:34.44 | cadu | r3v: simply doesn't works :) |
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| 19:34.52 | r3v | cadu: just saying what worked for me |
| 19:34.53 | jim | greycat: actually I think that's a good thing, for pro applications |
| 19:35.02 | cadu | r3v: thankx |
| 19:35.05 | jeld | anyone here can help me to figure out a kernel oops? |
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| 19:35.18 | jim | deadcat: got a hello file? |
| 19:35.19 | nvz | that porch roof they been on all day is probably 2 or 2 1/2 square. should have been done with that by 10am |
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| 19:35.25 | deadcat | jim: yes. |
| 19:35.41 | jim | deadcat, ok, I was otherwise gonna suggest echo hi | ... |
| 19:35.42 | deadcat | jim: test it on your box. its waiting for ^D |
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| 19:35.52 | sofie | hello |
| 19:35.55 | rollingbits | clear |
| 19:35.56 | jim | hi. |
| 19:35.58 | fmarostica | :( X.org dont support CTRL+ALT+Fxx switch to console |
| 19:36.05 | sofie | there are 10 debian cds how much do i need ? |
| 19:36.08 | greycat | jim: I still think that a reasonable sound driver should just let the user modprobe the module, and write the data to /dev/dsp, and it should make noises. Oh wait.... we already have that! OSS! |
| 19:36.17 | jasoncohen | cahoot, if disabling APIC doesn't fix the problem, is there anything else i can try? |
| 19:36.17 | nvz | that roofing crew has a situation I call "a nickel holding a dollar up" |
| 19:36.19 | r3v | fmarostica: works fine for me. |
| 19:36.24 | Quinn_Storm | fmarostica: yes it does, well at least it does here |
| 19:36.28 | jim | sofie: none, or all, or some... your choice |
| 19:36.34 | sofie | mm |
| 19:36.39 | sofie | what have each one ? |
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| 19:36.45 | jim | (that is, none AND still have debian) |
| 19:36.54 | jim | packages, and installer |
| 19:36.59 | sofie | mm |
| 19:36.59 | cahoot | jasoncohen: probably - but beyond me |
| 19:37.00 | fmarostica | r3v, Quinn_Storm how i make it |
| 19:37.09 | Quinn_Storm | fmarostica: I don't know |
| 19:37.18 | sofie | the first one come with desktop environmets ? |
| 19:37.18 | jim | did someone say that the 14 cds include source for sarge? |
| 19:37.19 | fmarostica | :( |
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| 19:37.26 | greycat | jim: if they said that, they lied. |
| 19:37.38 | jim | so 14 cds all binary? |
| 19:37.41 | jeld | two of my sarge servers crashed inside two days one just oopsed itself into oblivion and the other went into a sort of a kernel related fit, I need to figure out what happened can someone help? |
| 19:37.45 | r3v | fmarostica: i didn't know there way any way to not make that work. It just does on every machine i've ever seen. have you screwed with inittab? |
| 19:37.47 | werw | !list |
| 19:37.47 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 19:38.00 | cadu | !stepmania |
| 19:38.00 | dpkg | well, stepmania is a DDR simulator, similar to pyDance but prettier. Go to http://www.stepmania.com for details! |
| 19:38.06 | cadu | aaahah |
| 19:38.20 | cadu | there is a ! entry for everything in the Known Universe (c) / |
| 19:38.26 | bucky | !tell sofie about debian install |
| 19:38.27 | cadu | !mc |
| 19:38.27 | dpkg | hmm... mc is Midnight Commander, a file browser for GNU. Monaco |
| 19:38.32 | cadu | whoa |
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| 19:38.42 | sofie | P |
| 19:38.45 | sofie | thanks |
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| 19:38.56 | bucky | sofie, get the net install iso |
| 19:39.05 | sofie | that is ? |
| 19:39.15 | NickDotH | !freemoney |
| 19:39.17 | tarzeau | NickDotH: still there? |
| 19:39.21 | jim | sofie: suffice it to say, that you could get every cd... but then, you might not use them all... but you could... then again, you could get none at all... and install over a net connection... and -every- package is then available to you over net... |
| 19:39.23 | NickDotH | tarzeau: yep |
| 19:39.30 | bucky | sofie, it's a 180M iso that installs debian over the internet |
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| 19:39.41 | jim | sofie: the faster your net connection, the less annoying the wait time is :) |
| 19:39.44 | rking | dear friends, i have a bootable ISO, that needs to work with 2 different hard disk configurations, but when i just add both sets of drives to /etc/fstab and reboot, fsck complains. is an initrd what i need? |
| 19:39.44 | tarzeau | NickDotH: http://gnu.ethz.ch/d-i/ put that stuff to you /etc and /tftpboot |
| 19:39.47 | sofie | well |
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| 19:39.53 | sofie | i only can do that |
| 19:39.55 | sofie | at 1 am |
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| 19:39.57 | skate | bucky. there is a smaller iso that also installs over a network |
| 19:40.02 | tarzeau | NickDotH: if you netboot your computer, it will be fully automatically installed (base only + 2.4.31 kernel) |
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| 19:40.20 | bucky | sofie, listen to skate |
| 19:40.21 | noloK | greycat how i can cut off the duplicates? |
| 19:40.25 | jim | sofie: you have all the choices... |
| 19:40.33 | tarzeau | NickDotH: you can in tftpboot gunzip initrd.gz and loopback mount it for your own adaptions |
| 19:40.42 | greycat | noloK: what duplicates? |
| 19:40.48 | jim | (including not using debian at all) |
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| 19:41.13 | chimporito | does anyones uses svn? |
| 19:41.16 | bucky | skate, sofie wants to download 14 cd's because he can only do a net install at 1 am |
| 19:41.19 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 19:41.20 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 19:41.22 | rking | chimporito: shoot |
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| 19:41.28 | sofie | i m ean |
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| 19:41.43 | sofie | i only can do internacional downloads at 1 Am |
| 19:41.44 | skate | uhm, you can do a net install in a very short time and have a fully usable system |
| 19:41.47 | sofie | until 7 Am |
| 19:41.50 | hruske | hello, has anybody tried installing debian on ibook with netboot/ |
| 19:41.58 | greycat | sofie: that's pretty stupid reasoning. just get CD #1 and install from that. if you still need more stuff, get CD #2 tomorrow. |
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| 19:42.07 | sofie | ok |
| 19:42.10 | deadcat | hruske: yes. |
| 19:42.16 | sofie | it comes with the X ? |
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| 19:42.17 | bucky | sofie, RTFM |
| 19:42.19 | NickDotH | tarzeau: thanks very much, I may well get stuck but thanks for the help. |
| 19:42.25 | sofie | it comes with the kde ? |
| 19:42.27 | greycat | they're sorted by popularity, fergodssake |
| 19:42.34 | greycat | you don't think X is popular enough to be on CD #1? |
| 19:42.39 | deadcat | hruske: netisntall or no media install? |
| 19:42.43 | sofie | on slackware |
| 19:42.45 | sofie | isn't |
| 19:42.45 | tarzeau | NickDotH: no problem, just ask if you don't get ahead |
| 19:42.48 | hruske | netboot |
| 19:42.53 | hruske | with bootp |
| 19:42.59 | sofie | thanks |
| 19:42.59 | deadcat | hruske: just as regular debian netinstall |
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| 19:43.30 | hruske | yeah, but bootp doesnt understand apple's openfirmware |
| 19:43.42 | hruske | unknown request |
| 19:43.57 | hruske | and ibook says no FILENAME specified |
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| 19:44.48 | deadcat | hruske: what? what is openfirmware got to do with anything? you bootup with the netinstall, its gonna bring you to the networkcard detection thing and it detects your sungem. right? |
| 19:45.00 | hruske | no, boot over ethernet |
| 19:45.04 | hruske | not from cd |
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| 19:45.12 | deadcat | hruske: oh. |
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| 19:45.17 | deadcat | hruske: THAT netinstall (= |
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| 19:45.39 | turing | hey all, anyone here have experience with NFS? |
| 19:45.45 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 19:45.45 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 19:46.02 | Gnea | !tell turing about ask |
| 19:46.22 | mwelsh | !fsm |
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| 19:46.23 | kamaraju | I am getting random hangups of my system after upgrading to latest xorg on Sid. The keyboard and mouse becomes unresponsive and the only option is to hard reboot. I am using nvidia card and nvidia driver. I checked xorg's log, syslog, /var/log/messages but nothing is there in it. Any idea what I should do? |
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| 19:46.35 | deadcat | hruske: i did it with http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook.html |
| 19:46.49 | noloK | greycat i have access.log and i want to know how many times, but only for one IP, some word is repeated |
| 19:47.01 | turing | heh, does anyone here have positive or negative experiences to report using NFS in production with webservers in a cluster? |
| 19:47.05 | Ungy | kamaraju, use sarge instead of sid |
| 19:47.10 | greycat | noloK: so? grep for that IP, then grep for that word, then count the resulting lines. |
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| 19:47.15 | cadu | !positive or negative experiences with nfs |
| 19:47.18 | hruske | hmm, i'll try that, thanks |
| 19:47.19 | cadu | :) |
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| 19:47.22 | kamaraju | Ungy, I want to use sid |
| 19:47.23 | mwelsh | nice one cadu |
| 19:47.26 | Ungy | kamaraju, sid isn't called unstable for fun |
| 19:47.34 | deadcat | hahaa |
| 19:47.34 | cadu | mwelsh: i _thought_ it had it all ! ;'( |
| 19:47.34 | kamaraju | Ungy, I know that |
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| 19:47.58 | mwelsh | cadu: i wonder if dpkg knows about the flying spaghetti monster |
| 19:48.07 | cadu | aahahahaha |
| 19:48.20 | Ungy | kamaraju, did you check the bts |
| 19:48.29 | greycat | turing: as opposed to what? rsyncing the DocumentRoot whenever it changes? the former (NFS) gives you a single point of failure. |
| 19:48.30 | cadu | mwelsh: or the One-Eyed Purple Flying Human Eater |
| 19:48.41 | Xenguy | mwelsh: heheh, saw that last night - a very sweet read :-) |
| 19:49.16 | turing | greycat: actually I deploy the app directly from svn |
| 19:49.18 | Ungy | mwelsh I dunno but I know he watches me when I am sleeping |
| 19:49.21 | noloK | greycat the IPs are not one...the requests from one IP are several |
| 19:49.31 | kamaraju | ungy, The thing is unreproducible. It happens at random times. No particular pattern + I am using an unofficial (ie nvidia) driver. So I do not know whether I should file a bug report. I feel that it is my problem than xorg's packages. |
| 19:49.34 | greycat | noloK: parse error. |
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| 19:49.48 | turing | greycat: currently there _is_ a single point of failure (the single db machine) - so I'm as yet unworried about that ;) |
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| 19:50.02 | Ungy | kamaraju, so you didn't check the bts? |
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| 19:50.27 | kamaraju | Ungy, You mean for existing bug reports? I did not do that. I will do it now... |
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| 19:53.38 | Oryn | anyone here know why I get "I have no name!" in the bash prompt in my chroot environment? |
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| 19:54.06 | greycat | "... and I must scream!" |
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| 19:54.09 | liran__ | which package contain the pine mail program? |
| 19:54.13 | tarzeau | liran__: none |
| 19:54.13 | greycat | liran__: /msg dpkg pine |
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| 19:54.39 | Oryn | greycat: was that ment for me? |
| 19:54.40 | ray | how do i make a startuo script? |
| 19:54.46 | ray | startup# |
| 19:54.47 | liran__ | ahh i see |
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| 19:54.52 | greycat | ray: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:55.05 | ray | greycat: thank you |
| 19:55.07 | liran__ | whats some other easy alternative i can use for console? |
| 19:55.11 | greycat | liran__: mutt |
| 19:55.11 | LordBurrito | Can somebody tell me where exactly dhclient3 is getting started-up in Deb? Tnx! |
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| 19:55.20 | greycat | LordBurrito: man interfaces |
| 19:55.29 | LordBurrito | greycat: tnx |
| 19:55.30 | liran__ | ok ill check it out |
| 19:55.32 | liran__ | thanks greycat |
| 19:55.41 | liran__ | i can define pop3 with it? |
| 19:55.52 | greycat | mutt can read from a pop3 server, yes. |
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| 19:57.42 | LordBurrito | greycat: Okay, this part I kind of already knew. What I'm looking for is where I can try adding the -nw flag to all the dhclient instances. |
| 19:57.43 | nooneelse | someone knows how to change to tty2 or 3 etc..etc..while using debianppc ? |
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| 19:58.14 | greycat | nooneelse: ask #debianppc |
| 19:58.16 | Xenguy | liran__: mutt is good; just beg/borrow/steal a decent .muttrc file tho; that will save you time |
| 19:58.20 | tarzeau | nooneelse: chvt 2 |
| 19:58.32 | tarzeau | nooneelse: from x or console? |
| 19:58.58 | liran__ | cool thanks |
| 19:59.23 | nooneelse | tarzeau hmm but theres no a shortcut key on keyb ? |
| 19:59.32 | tarzeau | nooneelse: yes there is |
| 19:59.48 | tarzeau | nooneelse: fn-ctrl-alt-apple-1 or just apple-2 |
| 19:59.48 | cadu | tarzeau: can be done for x -> console too ? |
| 19:59.53 | tarzeau | nooneelse: i don't remember |
| 19:59.56 | tarzeau | cadu: sure |
| 20:00.20 | cadu | tarzeau: Operation not permitted. |
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| 20:00.21 | cadu | o_O |
| 20:00.24 | gniretar | anyone here know anything about configuring SNMP for monitoring servers? |
| 20:00.27 | cadu | (i've tried it on X) |
| 20:00.29 | kamaraju | Can I use 'e2fsck -c -c' to check a swap partition? The swap is formatted as linux/swap. If not what is the command to check for bad blocks in swap partition? |
| 20:00.40 | LordBurrito | I guess nobody knows. It seems to be a well-hidden secret, that's for sure. |
| 20:00.42 | cadu | kamaraju: 'badblocks' |
| 20:00.44 | cadu | :) |
| 20:00.48 | tarzeau | cadu: of course you must be root |
| 20:00.53 | cadu | tarzeau: ;'( ;'( |
| 20:01.05 | cadu | tarzeau: works ! |
| 20:01.06 | cadu | :) |
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| 20:01.16 | greycat | LordBurrito: if you can't find it, you could always comment out the stanzas in interfaces, and write your own start script for it |
| 20:01.25 | tarzeau | cadu: you know what's funny? a for/while loop with sleep 1 and chvt ;) |
| 20:01.35 | cadu | tarzeau: sure , funny! |
| 20:01.36 | kamaraju | cadu, Does the file system matter for badblocks command? or is any file system fine? |
| 20:01.40 | greycat | interfaces(5) was introduced in woody IIRC, and it's not always the best way |
| 20:01.41 | cadu | tarzeau: funny disaster _:) |
| 20:01.47 | LordBurrito | greycat: *nod* But I'm trying to employ the Principle Of Least Modification ;) |
| 20:01.49 | ecivo | oKtosiTe, guys, the question of the evening: Does any one know a good,free AntiVir vor Windows ?! |
| 20:01.54 | tarzeau | kamaraju: not really |
| 20:02.03 | cadu | kamaraju: any , it'll read each block of the partition and spit out the badblocks, if any |
| 20:02.04 | tarzeau | kamaraju: you run it on the device, not on a partition usually |
| 20:02.18 | LordBurrito | ecivo: WinClam |
| 20:02.21 | tarzeau | cadu: that'll only work for read errors, unless you specify also write test |
| 20:02.29 | ecivo | lordlamer, thx :) |
| 20:02.29 | cadu | kamaraju: read the manpage and use the NON INTRUSIVE method (read only method) or it'll fuck up (zero) your partition :P |
| 20:02.50 | cadu | tarzeau: write test will destroy data :) |
| 20:03.03 | cadu | but in that case it's a swap ..he can create the filesystem again |
| 20:03.40 | greycat | swapoff first. |
| 20:03.51 | tarzeau | cadu: no there's a mode that doesn't, but i wouldn't run it on my disk |
| 20:04.03 | nooneelse | tarzeau fn+ctrl+alt+fx :] |
| 20:04.22 | tarzeau | nooneelse: ah true. i hardly need it... |
| 20:04.23 | greycat | good thing mac users have 4 hands |
| 20:04.28 | tarzeau | greycat: heh ;) |
| 20:04.43 | greycat | although only one finger per hand (hence that mouse) |
| 20:04.47 | cadu | tarzeau: this mode writes the block with the same byte it read...but what if it can't read the data correctly? o_O :) |
| 20:04.55 | cadu | greycat: uhUHUAHUAhuahuAHUAHA |
| 20:04.58 | tarzeau | cadu: yeah |
| 20:05.06 | nooneelse | hehehe 4 hands |
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| 20:05.20 | cadu | actually they have 2 fingers in each hand |
| 20:05.30 | cadu | the other is there just for scratching the other finger's back :) |
| 20:05.37 | cadu | as they like commodity ;) |
| 20:05.40 | skate | so do mac users only date women with four breasts? |
| 20:05.54 | skate | and where might i find one of those women |
| 20:05.59 | r3v | skate: do mac users even date? |
| 20:06.09 | skate | dunno, i don't really know any |
| 20:06.35 | tarzeau | mac os x users just have something that works, bsd and microkernel |
| 20:06.35 | cadu | < macuser> dating? |
| 20:06.43 | cadu | waddafuckisdat? |
| 20:06.43 | RevSlowmo | Anyone have a good recommendation for a backup program in debian that will make dvd images for me? |
| 20:06.44 | cadu | :) |
| 20:06.46 | greycat | skate: no, they find more creative uses for the other two hands |
| 20:06.50 | tarzeau | not the crap we have |
| 20:07.09 | skate | hah |
| 20:07.33 | r3v | RevSlowmo: mkisofs? |
| 20:08.20 | RevSlowmo | r3v: Heh. Something that keeps track of what files got backup and what disk they go to, then do incramental backups |
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| 20:08.37 | berky | . |
| 20:08.42 | LordBurrito | Okay, well, thanks anyway, guys. I'll keep pokin' at this. |
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| 20:08.46 | r3v | RevSlowmo: oh... well if you want something fancy, I don't know... i don't backup anything :) |
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| 20:09.12 | r3v | RevSlowmo: i figure the raid is good enough. and if 3 drives fail at once i deserve to lose my stuff |
| 20:09.13 | berky | I have setup a Debian SARGE box for my M$-centric boss, but X Windows won't accept any keyboard input. Since the keyboard works fine from the Linux console, I think it's an X Windows config problem. Any thoughts on this? |
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| 20:09.17 | greycat | dpkg, flw40 is <r3v> RevSlowmo: oh... well if you want something fancy, I don't know... i don't backup anything :) |
| 20:09.17 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 20:09.24 | greycat | dpkg, famous last words =~ s/39/39|40/ |
| 20:09.24 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 20:09.28 | RevSlowmo | r3v: Heh. I suppose I could tar and keep file list but eh. |
| 20:10.12 | r3v | greycat: flw40? |
| 20:10.12 | berky | !mc |
| 20:10.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mc is Midnight Commander, a file browser for GNU. Monaco |
| 20:10.19 | greycat | !flw39 |
| 20:10.19 | dpkg | flw39 is, like, <Angel-SL> BASH WONT START <stew> Angel-SL: you probably hosed one of yoru dot files <Angel-SL> i'm going to logout and in = Angel-SL [n=angelsl@cm162.sigma49.maxonline.com.sg] quit |
| 20:10.34 | berky | Has no one run into this problem with X Windows? |
| 20:10.39 | crashbg | can someone help me with compiling one kernel module and loading it while running the machine |
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| 20:10.43 | Rus0 | i have no free space on root partition |
| 20:10.51 | crashbg | what do i need, i have the .c file and the Makefile |
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| 20:11.00 | greycat | crashbg: build-essential |
| 20:11.03 | r3v | greycat: so i'll be famous now? |
| 20:11.03 | Rus0 | var is 1,5 gb ! |
| 20:11.07 | greycat | oh, KERNEL module. |
| 20:11.07 | r3v | greycat: heh |
| 20:11.10 | Rus0 | is this normal |
| 20:11.10 | greycat | damned two-part questions! |
| 20:11.22 | greycat | Rus0: ls /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 20:11.57 | debugger | hello |
| 20:12.17 | kamaraju | debugger, what's up? |
| 20:12.32 | crashbg | greycat, if i run make then i get "No rule to make target `modules'. Stop." |
| 20:12.35 | Rus0 | so ican rm all that? |
| 20:12.55 | greycat | crashbg: building a KERNEL module requires (gasp!) actually reading documentation. |
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| 20:13.31 | r3v | Rus0: apt-get clean it instead of rm |
| 20:13.43 | Rus0 | thanx |
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| 20:14.46 | greycat | rm is fine too. |
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| 20:15.15 | kamaraju | Does not debian have proper wiki? wiki.debian.net is either down most of the time or is very slow to use, search etc., |
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| 20:15.32 | greycat | we have tarzeau's which is the official one of this channel |
| 20:15.51 | tarzeau | big thank for moin making a great wiki! |
| 20:15.55 | greycat | unfortunately, spammers forced him to require manual account registration |
| 20:16.27 | kamaraju | greycat, which wiki are you guys talking about? any url? |
| 20:16.39 | tarzeau | kamaraju: can you type /topic ? |
| 20:16.40 | stew | !faq kamaraju |
| 20:16.41 | dpkg | kamaraju: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:16.45 | PeterB | !topicbadger kamaraju |
| 20:16.46 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that kamaraju didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 20:17.20 | kamaraju | hehe! sorry I missed it. |
| 20:17.23 | Anders | lmao |
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| 20:17.33 | kamaraju | banging my head |
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| 20:19.29 | kamaraju | When I googled with 'debian wiki' the first link is wiki.debian.net |
| 20:19.31 | greycat | tarzeau: speaking of moin... are you running it as a CGI, or do you have python support in your httpd? |
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| 20:20.06 | greycat | SRS-ROX: we care not. |
| 20:20.08 | tarzeau | greycat: i had python installed as it's depending on it, i think i'm running cgi |
| 20:20.13 | kamaraju | How long is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ up? |
| 20:20.19 | skate | 48kbp/s? |
| 20:20.22 | skate | i bet that sounds great |
| 20:20.26 | greycat | tarzeau: your box is probably faster than mine, then :/ |
| 20:20.42 | tarzeau | kamaraju: 2 years (but one year it wasn't wiki, but html) |
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| 20:21.01 | greycat | tarzeau: I get hellacious delay when hitting the pages on mine (wooledge.org/mywiki) |
| 20:21.09 | tarzeau | greycat: it's a p3/600mhz now, 180mb ram or so |
| 20:21.15 | Seb | what's the simplest command-line way to play a WAV with ALSA ? |
| 20:21.23 | kamaraju | tarzeau, Cool. So it is stable enough. May be in the next few days, I will be able to contribute to this wiki. |
| 20:21.23 | PeterB | Seb: aplay ? |
| 20:21.27 | greycat | tarzeau: hmm... that's roughly comparable to mine (VIA EPIA 600 Mhz OpenBSD 3.7) |
| 20:21.28 | Seb | PeterB: ah thanks |
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| 20:21.33 | rking | Seb: apt-get install alsa-utils, then, yeah, aplay |
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| 20:21.43 | tarzeau | kamaraju: just send me by mail the username that you registered with a password, and i'll add |
| 20:21.44 | Seb | cool, thanks guys |
| 20:21.47 | ray | how can i force to eject a cd? |
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| 20:21.52 | tarzeau | kamaraju: a /query or /msg is fine too |
| 20:21.58 | greycat | ray: eject command, or an unbent paperclip |
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| 20:22.15 | greycat | ray: make sure you do the Right Things first (unmount it) |
| 20:22.16 | tarzeau | ray: fuser -k /dev/cdrom |
| 20:22.36 | kamaraju | tarzeau, Thanks. |
| 20:22.40 | tarzeau | greycat: the paperclip won't do on a mac ... |
| 20:22.45 | nvz | greycat: actually you would have a hard time shoving an unbent one in there. you generally have to bend it so its straight :P |
| 20:22.48 | greycat | tarzeau: evil! |
| 20:22.52 | macafe | wenas |
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| 20:22.56 | macafe | alguien me ayuda? |
| 20:23.05 | greycat | nvz: they're born bent. you have to unbend them to make 'em straight. |
| 20:23.09 | nvz | macafe: #debian-es |
| 20:23.11 | ray | greycat: yeah im gonna have to do the paperclip thing |
| 20:23.12 | greycat | !es |
| 20:23.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:23.17 | kurumin | brasnet.org |
| 20:23.27 | nvz | !+dict unbend |
| 20:23.28 | dpkg | Dictionary 'unbend' (3 of 5): 3. (Naut.) (a) To unfasten, as sails, from the spars or stays to which they are attached for use. (b) To cast loose or untie, as a rope. ;; 2. A remit from a strain or from exertion; to set at ease for a time; to relax; as, to unbend the mind from study or care. ;; . Unbend \Un*bend"\, v. i. 1. To cease to be bent; to become straight or relaxed.. |
| 20:23.45 | yang | When I add new user on my slow box it takes 10 minutes before i can add it, something must be wrong |
| 20:23.51 | cadu | SHIT |
| 20:23.55 | nvz | greycat: I guess :) |
| 20:23.56 | cadu | dpkg even has dict lookup ! |
| 20:23.59 | abrotman | poop! |
| 20:24.02 | abrotman | caca! |
| 20:24.07 | greycat | feces! |
| 20:24.08 | cadu | !+dict uncouth |
| 20:24.10 | dpkg | Dictionary 'uncouth' (3 of 7): Uncouth \Un*couth"\, a. [OE. uncouth, AS. unc?? unknown, strange: un- (see Un- not) + c?? known, p. p. of cunnan to know. See Can to be able, and cf. Unco, Unked.] 1. Unknown. [Obs.] ``This uncouth errand.'' --Milton. ;; To leave the good that I had in hand, In hope of better that was uncouth. --Spenser. ;; 2. Uncommon; rare; exquisite; elegant. [Obs.]. |
| 20:24.11 | nvz | abrotman: you called the shit poop |
| 20:24.11 | abrotman | mierda? |
| 20:24.16 | tarzeau | bok! |
| 20:24.18 | greycat | "Unknown"? |
| 20:24.19 | abrotman | nvz: what do you call it? |
| 20:24.24 | greycat | that's its definition of uncouth?? |
| 20:24.26 | skate | you forgot dung, and guano. |
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| 20:24.32 | tarzeau | scheisse! |
| 20:24.38 | cadu | abrotman: portuguese, MERDA |
| 20:24.39 | skate | oh, and excrement |
| 20:24.45 | cadu | french, MERDE |
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| 20:25.11 | nvz | abrotman: I call it shit or feces |
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| 20:25.22 | greycat | do I hear a "crap"? |
| 20:25.25 | nvz | pronounced like fekis |
| 20:25.28 | eutopia | nvz: good morning |
| 20:25.38 | eutopia | abrotman: hello |
| 20:25.42 | skate | i dunno, but if you hear a crap you better pull your mic out of the toilet |
| 20:25.46 | nvz | eutopia: umm? |
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| 20:26.43 | macafe | hola |
| 20:26.46 | macafe | alguien me ayuda? |
| 20:26.49 | ray | gnome or kde? |
| 20:26.50 | greycat | !es |
| 20:26.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:26.52 | frank__ | I'm running a etch and using a console.I want do display linux_logo on each virtual console just before than issue.How I can do? |
| 20:26.58 | tarzeau | ray: gnustep! |
| 20:26.59 | nvz | deja vu |
| 20:27.10 | greycat | ray: no! |
| 20:27.17 | ray | tarzeau: whats that? |
| 20:27.20 | macafe | alguien me enseña a instalar programas en el knoppix? |
| 20:27.27 | nvz | ffs, go away |
| 20:27.27 | greycat | macafe: /j #knoppix /part #debian |
| 20:27.29 | ray | greycat: what do you use? |
| 20:27.32 | greycat | ray: fvwm |
| 20:27.37 | tarzeau | ray: much faster than gnome or kde |
| 20:27.45 | kamaraju | tarzeau, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/BenutzerEinstellungen?action=highlight&value=UserPreferences is in German I think. Any chance of English version of it? |
| 20:27.50 | tarzeau | greycat: when did you learn spanish ;) |
| 20:27.55 | greycat | tarzeau: high school |
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| 20:27.59 | greycat | tarzeau: but I'm very bad at it |
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| 20:28.05 | tarzeau | kamaraju: no it got spammed, the english one ;) |
| 20:28.13 | cadu | !es |
| 20:28.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:28.15 | ray | greycat: you got a screenie? |
| 20:28.34 | cadu | greycat: eheheheh |
| 20:28.37 | greycat | ray: nope |
| 20:28.42 | cadu | greycat: i like when you speak to spanish people |
| 20:28.44 | madclicker | is there a difference between ispell or aspell? |
| 20:28.50 | greycat | madclicker: a bit. |
| 20:28.50 | tarzeau | madclicker: yes |
| 20:29.07 | madclicker | like what |
| 20:29.15 | julien | KDE in SID is still not fixed? :( |
| 20:29.19 | nvz | the first letter for one thing |
| 20:29.21 | frank__ | any man so kind to help me? please ;) |
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| 20:29.33 | kamaraju | which wiki software runs http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ ? madwiki or kwiki or some other thing? |
| 20:29.35 | tarzeau | julien: probably |
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| 20:29.45 | tarzeau | frank__: sexist. |
| 20:29.47 | skate | why do people run broken shit, and then wonder why it's broken |
| 20:29.50 | r3v | julien: nope it's not. I wonder if it ever will be |
| 20:29.52 | greycat | kamaraju: moin |
| 20:29.52 | tarzeau | skate: morons |
| 20:29.53 | linuxboyfriend | hi all |
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| 20:30.23 | nvz | I need to make my way to the music store and get myslef some guitar strings |
| 20:30.31 | skate | nvz. hippie |
| 20:30.32 | tarzeau | nvz: you play guitar? |
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| 20:30.38 | r3v | skate: I don't run broken shit, I run unstable shit, and I don't wonder why when it's broke |
| 20:30.42 | greycat | no, he just collects the strings... ;-) |
| 20:30.45 | skate | nice |
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| 20:30.57 | tarzeau | nvz: heh i learnt e-dur and a-moll |
| 20:31.09 | macafe | wenas |
| 20:31.12 | tarzeau | nvz: and i only need about half a minute to change between the two |
| 20:31.24 | nvz | tarzeau: I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 20:31.25 | linuxboyfriend | i wanna switch to debian and wanna downlad "testing" version, but I dont know that out of 14 cd how many cds I need so that i can install X, kde, OOo, chat clients, and other daily use things? |
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| 20:31.35 | abrotman | !d-i linuxbo |
| 20:31.36 | linuxboyfriend | i never ever used debian |
| 20:31.36 | dpkg | linuxbo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:31.36 | jdhutchin1 | linuxboyfriend, use a net-install cd |
| 20:31.37 | abrotman | !d-i linuxboyfriend |
| 20:31.37 | dpkg | linuxboyfriend, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 20:31.49 | greycat | linuxboyfriend: if you are going to run testing, you had BETTER be on the damned internet with it. |
| 20:31.57 | abrotman | linuxboyfriend: until you learn your way around .. stick with stable/sarge |
| 20:32.00 | Nwallins | ddclient is asking for the interface I use for dynamic dns service.. it wants something like eth0? |
| 20:32.07 | greycat | linuxboyfriend: in which case, you don't use ANY of the full ISO images. (Or #1 if you *really* must.) |
| 20:32.24 | linuxboyfriend | i am a dialup user :( |
| 20:32.25 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: yes |
| 20:32.28 | Nwallins | thanks |
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| 20:32.35 | linuxboyfriend | i can not downlad all the stuff |
| 20:32.41 | greycat | linuxboyfriend: all the more reason to run stable. |
| 20:32.50 | r3v | linuxboyfriend: you definitly don't want anything but stable then |
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| 20:33.07 | r3v | linuxboyfriend: buy the DVD set from someone, then you'll be good to go |
| 20:33.14 | abrotman | linuxboyfriend: do you have money to order CDs? |
| 20:33.28 | linuxboyfriend | can you tell me the link from where i can get informaton about packages in stable |
| 20:33.30 | greycat | CDs are like *so* 2003 |
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| 20:33.37 | madclicker | can someone tell me the difference between ispell and aspell? |
| 20:33.43 | linuxboyfriend | i checked at debian.com but failed |
| 20:33.56 | greycat | madclicker: diff <(echo ispell) <<echo aspell) |
| 20:34.03 | stew | linuxboyfriend: http://packages.debian.org |
| 20:34.06 | greycat | damn, typo. |
| 20:34.45 | linuxboyfriend | stew: hmm let me check |
| 20:34.45 | greycat | madclicker: the most important difference is that aspell is written in C++ and doesn't build cleanly on HP-UX 10.20. |
| 20:34.49 | thorsten1 | is there any way to tell mkinitrd which root device to use after debootrapping from another system |
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| 20:35.10 | tarzeau | aspell has an ispell compatibility mode |
| 20:35.15 | Nwallins | regarding ddclient.. run it as a daemon? i was thinking i would just use cron |
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| 20:35.36 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: err, it should be run when your interface is taken up |
| 20:35.39 | greycat | (because **obviously** a spell checker has to be written in a pseudo object oriented language...) |
| 20:35.39 | fken | whats the chan amd64 ? |
| 20:35.40 | madclicker | greycat: so which one is better to use on debian? |
| 20:35.45 | Nwallins | valdyn_: ok, thanks |
| 20:35.50 | greycat | madclicker: try both and see! Shti! |
| 20:35.52 | greycat | Shit* |
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| 20:36.02 | fken | i mean whats its name |
| 20:36.06 | greycat | in the time you wasted asking us, you could've just installed both. |
| 20:36.07 | r3v | madclicker: I use myspell |
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| 20:36.11 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ could contain a script to run it, for example, for ppp |
| 20:36.14 | greycat | fken: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 20:36.34 | fken | thank you |
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| 20:36.48 | valdyn_ | !find ip-up.d/ddclient |
| 20:36.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ip-up.d/ddclient' (1): (/etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ddclient) in net/ddclient. |
| 20:37.06 | Nwallins | valdyn_: so, for that setup, I would answer 'no' to run as daemon? |
| 20:37.07 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: oo, and its already there |
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| 20:37.25 | Nwallins | ok, so answer 'yes'? (i feel dumb) |
| 20:38.22 | idefx | hi |
| 20:38.26 | idefx | i've got a pb |
| 20:38.29 | linuxboyfriend | stew: yes thats nice, and how can i find that which cd contain which package (so that i can come to knwo how manay cds i have to order)? |
| 20:38.36 | stew | !which cd |
| 20:38.36 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. stew has created a searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo |
| 20:38.37 | Nwallins | it says 'run as daemon on system startup' not 'when interface is brought up' they are basically the same for my situ |
| 20:38.38 | greycat | if you went and bought a j, you could have a pb&j! |
| 20:38.48 | stew | linuxboyfriend: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo |
| 20:38.51 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: chose to not run it as daemon |
| 20:39.08 | r3v | linuxboyfriend: if you have a DVD reader, it's only 2 dvds |
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| 20:39.21 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: if you are using it on a dialup interface anyway |
| 20:39.25 | greycat | DVD *burners* are under $50 now. |
| 20:39.26 | eutopia | whats the command to make a folder permanetely writable? |
| 20:39.34 | greycat | you can't even really buy CD-ROMs any more |
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| 20:39.39 | linuxboyfriend | r3v: no i dont have dvd-rom :( |
| 20:39.43 | Nwallins | valdyn_: no, i'm behind a dsl router |
| 20:39.44 | idefx | i've tried to install the 2.6.12 kernel on my instable, using make-kpkg, and my computer now hangs at boot time (after having uncompress the kernel). Could it be a common issue with kernel 2.6.12 or grub ? |
| 20:39.46 | greycat | eutopia: man chmod |
| 20:39.49 | eutopia | whats the command to make a folder and all the files in it permanetely writable to my username? |
| 20:39.53 | greycat | !wikifaq eutopia Permissions |
| 20:39.53 | dpkg | eutopia: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:40.03 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: then you dsl-router should do what ddclient does, many can do that. |
| 20:40.07 | ansong | has anyone gotten e17 installed on testing? |
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| 20:40.12 | Nwallins | valdyn_: yeah, i checked that first |
| 20:40.29 | mo1991 | can anyone help me with my sendmail setup and evolution. I get a error 67 while trying to sendmail with evolution - previously in Fedora this just worked - seem to need some setup for debian but am not sure what - any suggesttions? -using sarge , sendmail and evolution all stable |
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| 20:40.44 | Nwallins | it's a netopia.. dyndns.org requests software updaters anyway |
| 20:40.57 | Nwallins | who am I to argue? even if i had the capability |
| 20:40.58 | linuxboyfriend | stew: thanks a lot |
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| 20:41.21 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: dyndns will boot you rather quickly if you try to use ddclient on the same ip again |
| 20:41.22 | jorgito | hi somebody from russia here? i need to help with fonts... |
| 20:41.25 | coreyo | is cyrus-sasl the only way to get postfix to do smtp authentication? |
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| 20:41.49 | Nwallins | valdyn_: hmm shit I initially set up a static ip (assumed it was static) but it has changed since yesterday |
| 20:42.01 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: so, if your dsl-router cannot handle it, consider running it in bridge mode and do everything including dialing in from your debian box |
| 20:42.15 | Nwallins | i was trying to figure out why my ports weren't forwarded until i checked the ip again |
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| 20:42.33 | relbs | I want to use dd to image a hard disk and keep a backup in case the disk fails. is it possible to just unpack the image onto another, bigger, hard disk and have it "just work"? do the disks have to have the same physical layout? |
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| 20:43.04 | alex___ | is it pssoble to mv only a certain type of files or folder ? like mv alllfolder but not files ? |
| 20:43.04 | Nwallins | valdyn_: hmm.. i've thought about it.. i'm not totally comfortable with that setup and this is a production machine |
| 20:43.09 | mo1991 | does anyone have sendmail working in sarge???? |
| 20:43.19 | oskie | relbs: was the original hard drive/filesystem unmounted when you made the dd copy? |
| 20:43.32 | J_P | people, anyone use motherboard D915GAVL with Sarge ? |
| 20:43.39 | ansong | has anyone installed e17 on testing from the soulmachine.net repository? |
| 20:43.40 | greycat | mo1991: no. |
| 20:43.48 | karrot-x | is there a way to stop logs from being sent to the console? |
| 20:43.51 | greycat | nobody in the entire free world runs sendmail on sarge. |
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| 20:44.13 | r3v | greycat: what about the non-free world |
| 20:44.16 | relbs | oskie: I haven't actually done it yet, but the filesystem would be unmounted, yes. |
| 20:44.27 | Nwallins | r3v: or contrib |
| 20:44.30 | drac | J_P: there could be someone, somewhere using that mb.. but why not ask real question? |
| 20:44.36 | mo1991 | greycat - sorry, dumb question - I guesss I should say can anyone help me configure sendmail to send to outside recipients as it does not appear to be set up that way out of the box |
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| 20:44.51 | mo1991 | or send me in the right direction |
| 20:44.51 | oskie | relbs: yes, it will work, but not if the image won't fit on the target hard drive. |
| 20:45.02 | relbs | oskie: great, thanks! |
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| 20:45.13 | greycat | mo1991: you probably mean relaying. ask #sendmail or rerun the configuration script thingy... |
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| 20:45.21 | kamaraju | I created a user name at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ . How do I log out now? |
| 20:45.24 | greycat | (I presume Debian has one... it used to be sendmailconfig, but it's probably under debconf now) |
| 20:45.48 | greycat | kamaraju: tarzeau has to approve all the new users... |
| 20:46.12 | greycat | kamaraju: if you're actually logged in, your name should show up in the upper right corner |
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| 20:46.26 | Falkon | Hey, got a kernel compile problem going on. Right after compiling the source for the kernel using make-kpkg, it says /bin/sh: debian/buildinfo: Permission denied then exits with [stamp-build] error 1. Any idea what this means? I'm running as a normal user using fakeroot |
| 20:46.27 | greycat | kamaraju: which is a link that leads to the UserPreferences page |
| 20:46.31 | kamaraju | My name is showing up. But I donot know how to log out. |
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| 20:46.37 | greycat | kamaraju: click it. |
| 20:46.46 | kamaraju | I did that. |
| 20:47.04 | relbs | oskie: what about the partition table? would the extra space just show up as unpartitioned space? |
| 20:47.15 | greycat | ah, crap, it looks like UserPreferences is broken. |
| 20:47.17 | Nwallins | valdyn_: do you know the implications of running ddclient as a daemon? will i be able to control the rate of updates? i could write a perl script that polls an outside server to see if my external ip has changed |
| 20:47.23 | greycat | kamaraju: ask tarzeau. |
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| 20:47.41 | bucky | kamaraju, type exit ? |
| 20:48.26 | Nwallins | valdyn_: hmm.. i'll just mess with it and reconfigure if nec thanks for the help though |
| 20:48.31 | Falkon | any clue where debian/buildinfo is, and why I'm getting permission denied |
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| 20:48.39 | kamaraju | bucky, where should I type exit? |
| 20:49.10 | bucky | kamaraju, at the prompt if you're in a non-graphical mode |
| 20:49.42 | r3v | bucky: isn't he trying to log out of a wiki in a web browswer? |
| 20:50.01 | bucky | oh.. my bad, nevermind |
| 20:50.17 | r3v | bucky: i'm only 1/3 paying attention myself, I could be wrong |
| 20:50.30 | one2 | any hardened kernels provided by debian grsecurity or openwall patched or with i have to build up one myself |
| 20:50.32 | one2 | ? |
| 20:50.33 | one2 | ? |
| 20:50.39 | kamaraju | r3v, you are right |
| 20:51.09 | Falkon | bah, just compiled as root and it worked |
| 20:51.10 | Falkon | oh well |
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| 20:51.32 | bucky | Falkon, you're disappointed something worked? |
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| 20:51.49 | Falkon | bucky: well |
| 20:52.01 | Falkon | it's supposed to work as a normal user through fakeroot |
| 20:52.02 | kamaraju | tarzeau, I created a login name in your wiki and could you tell me how I can log out? In the left hand corner, my username KamarajuKusumanchi is displayed. But dont know how to log out? |
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| 20:52.18 | Falkon | I hope I have no problems since I compiled my source as root instead of a user |
| 20:52.18 | tarzeau | kamaraju: close the browser |
| 20:52.30 | tarzeau | kamaraju: pkill -9 can be helpful |
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| 20:52.56 | tarzeau | kamaraju: if you forget the browser name, pkill -9 -u $USER |
| 20:53.15 | jesperj | how does one change the hostname? I changed /etc/hosts but the hostname is still the same on reboot |
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| 20:53.28 | Gathond | jesperj: /etc/hostname :) |
| 20:53.29 | kamaraju | tarzeau, closing the browser did not help. I think it is restoring previous session |
| 20:53.30 | tarzeau | jesperj: hostname newname |
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| 20:53.37 | tarzeau | jesperj: telinit q |
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| 20:53.49 | tarzeau | kamaraju: your browser is bad |
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| 20:53.52 | Nwallins | heh, ddclient just updated dyndns.org with my internal ip 192.168.etc |
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| 20:54.20 | kamaraju | tarzeau, hehe! It is mozilla-firefox and dont know anything better than that. |
| 20:54.25 | jesperj | Gathond, ok |
| 20:54.31 | cat | oh boy the light is gonna go out |
| 20:54.34 | cat | sucks |
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| 20:54.39 | Gathond | jesperj: tarzeaus way is probably better though |
| 20:54.41 | tarzeau | kamaraju: everything is better |
| 20:54.45 | jesperj | tarzeau, tried "hostname newname" but not telinit q |
| 20:54.53 | jesperj | what does telinit q do? |
| 20:54.55 | tarzeau | Gathond: all three steps are needed |
| 20:55.07 | tarzeau | Gathond: hostname, hosts and /etc/hostname |
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| 20:55.12 | tarzeau | jesperj: man telinit |
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| 20:55.23 | prk | which DNS servers should I use? |
| 20:55.28 | Gathond | tarzeau: I actually thought the hostname newname bit edited the file |
| 20:55.43 | abrotman | pseubodot loves me! |
| 20:55.51 | tarzeau | Gathond: no it doesn't |
| 20:56.10 | tarzeau | prk: fast and near ones. your own |
| 20:56.11 | Ungy | tarzeau how do I signup for your wiki? |
| 20:56.20 | prk | tarzeau where do I find them? |
| 20:56.22 | tarzeau | Ungy: create a user, and tell me the username |
| 20:56.24 | prk | tarzeau ask my colo? |
| 20:56.24 | abrotman | or not |
| 20:56.30 | tarzeau | Ungy: on the bottom of the front page |
| 20:56.33 | Gathond | tarzeau: ok |
| 20:56.44 | tarzeau | prk: if you don't mind them knowing the names your resolve.. |
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| 20:57.07 | Ungy | aha found it |
| 20:57.15 | prk | tarzeau otherwise? |
| 20:57.20 | tarzeau | prk: run your own |
| 20:57.33 | prk | tarzeau how would I setup my own dns server? |
| 20:57.36 | abrotman | that's it .. you're all fired .. go home! |
| 20:57.55 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 20:57.59 | abrotman | prk: your colo should have at least one for you to use |
| 20:58.11 | abrotman | either that .. or get a new colo :) |
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| 20:58.14 | prk | abrotman ok :) |
| 20:58.29 | abrotman | prk: setting up bind isn't that hard .. it's just easier not to have to do it at all |
| 20:58.33 | prk | one more question: do I modify /etc/rc.local to start sshd on boot? |
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| 20:58.44 | prk | abrotman *nod* |
| 20:58.53 | tarzeau | prk: oh well. i'm going to sleep now |
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| 20:59.02 | Provito | I've rolled my own exim dpkg from the deb source (enabled mysql options) however when trying to install I am getting: exim conflicts with mail-transport-agent |
| 20:59.06 | werw | How to extract an .iso image from a CD? |
| 20:59.18 | abrotman | !tell prk about rc.local |
| 20:59.20 | Provito | the current mta is postfix but I dont simply want to remove as it will remove the mysql server as well |
| 20:59.21 | tarzeau | werw: www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ grep for readcd |
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| 20:59.37 | Provito | I want to provide a flag to say, replace postfix with the rolled dpkg |
| 20:59.41 | Gathond | werw: as in make a image of the CD? either use your favorit CD writing tool or just plain dd |
| 20:59.57 | stew | werw: cp /dev/cdrom blah.iso |
| 20:59.57 | tarzeau | Gathond: no dd sucks |
| 21:00.00 | abrotman | Provito: /msg dpkg equivs ? |
| 21:00.05 | tarzeau | stew: and that also sucks |
| 21:00.10 | abrotman | Provito: if i undersatnd you correctly |
| 21:00.10 | stew | tarzeau: why? |
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| 21:00.24 | tarzeau | stew: because in unix (and its clones) not everything is a file |
| 21:00.34 | werw | Thanks! |
| 21:00.36 | tarzeau | and it can fail |
| 21:00.37 | Provito | abrotman, not quite |
| 21:00.44 | tarzeau | with readcd, you use the right tool |
| 21:00.46 | stew | tarzeau: under what circumstances? |
| 21:00.48 | prk | if I setup the network address, gateway, and subnet like my colo specified and I cannot connect ping outside the network, what's the next logical step? |
| 21:00.50 | Provito | the problem is that when I run dpkg -i on my own exim is does not replace postfix with it |
| 21:00.52 | tarzeau | stew: it happens. |
| 21:01.00 | Gathond | tarzeau: dd usually works fine for me, its probably not the fastest/most efficient though |
| 21:01.00 | Provito | if I do an apt-get install exim then it replaces postfix with the version |
| 21:01.07 | abrotman | Provito: then man dpkg .. learn how to remove something without it's deps .. or fix the deps for yours .. and then install it .. and make it conflict with postfix |
| 21:01.30 | kamaraju | prk, check if the network cable is actually plugged (ie no loose connections.) |
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| 21:01.42 | prk | kamaraju and if I can bring up eth0? |
| 21:01.44 | tarzeau | Gathond: readcd works fine for me. dd has failed on me |
| 21:01.51 | Ungy | Provito, or logically install apt-get install exim then freakign install your own |
| 21:02.03 | kamaraju | prk, You can bring up eth0 even if the network cable is unplugged. |
| 21:02.15 | LinuxNIT-laptop | what do you use to configure setting for power management in on a debian laptop? |
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| 21:02.32 | prk | kamaraju ok, assuming it's plugged in correctly? |
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| 21:02.55 | Hmmhesays | anyone know a telnet client that supports srv lookups? |
| 21:03.03 | kamaraju | prk, Can you ping 127.0.0.1? |
| 21:03.04 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: dns? |
| 21:03.05 | abrotman | stevie ray vaughan? |
| 21:03.12 | prk | kamaraju yes |
| 21:03.17 | Hmmhesays | yeah dns |
| 21:03.21 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: you mean if anyone knows if there is one that doesn't |
| 21:03.22 | donw | Is there a command to list all the active displays on an X server? |
| 21:03.27 | kamaraju | prk, can you ping your own IP address? |
| 21:03.27 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: because i haven't ever seen such one |
| 21:03.28 | prk | kamaraju as well as the IP address that I assigned myself |
| 21:03.34 | abrotman | donw: ps aux |
| 21:03.36 | Hmmhesays | really? i'm tinkering with bind and it doesn't seem to want to work |
| 21:03.39 | Ungy | damn my wife is trying to get me to go to a club tommorow night and dance ;-( |
| 21:03.45 | kamaraju | prk, ok. What about host www.google.com? |
| 21:03.50 | FarrisG | Where is information about currently deactivated LVs kept for evms? |
| 21:03.52 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: i'm sure it's not the problem of telnet |
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| 21:04.04 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: ever heard of tcpdump or ngrep port 53 ? |
| 21:04.06 | Hmmhesays | _telnet._tcp.booty.call SRV 10 1 hot1.booty.call. |
| 21:04.09 | abrotman | Hmmhesays: is it even listening ? |
| 21:04.15 | Hmmhesays | i'm using ethereal |
| 21:04.18 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: you know _ has nothing lost in DNS |
| 21:04.24 | prk | kamaraju yes |
| 21:04.36 | Hmmhesays | well i just started playing with bind today so i'm a serious n00b |
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| 21:04.42 | donw | abrotman: That doesn't quite tell me what the DISPLAY variable needs to be set to, in order to access said display, although I might be able to grok it out of -xauth. |
| 21:04.44 | kamaraju | prk, So your DNS server is working fine I guess. |
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| 21:04.46 | abrotman | pseubodot loves me! |
| 21:04.57 | abrotman | donw: xdpyinfo ? |
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| 21:05.01 | kamaraju | prk, Can you ping your dns server or gateway? |
| 21:05.05 | tarzeau | SRV rrs? |
| 21:05.13 | Hmmhesays | dns is working fine, but when I telnet to booty.call it seems to skip the srv section |
| 21:05.20 | prk | kamaraju don't think so. |
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| 21:05.33 | Hmmhesays | and go straight to where I have booty.call's address defined |
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| 21:05.45 | prk | kamaraju can you give me next things to check for both scenarios, if I can and if I can't? |
| 21:05.50 | kamaraju | prk, So your dns server is working but you cannot ping it? |
| 21:06.01 | yonkel-lappy | anyone have experience with the Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 internal wireless (the a/b/g) variety? i am looking at a laptops and the i am scoping out the dells |
| 21:06.08 | prk | kamaraju I can probably ping it, but not from the server in question |
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| 21:06.28 | donw | abrotman: That's closer; thanks! |
| 21:06.32 | abrotman | !tell yonkel-lappy about ipw2200 |
| 21:06.39 | stew | yonkel-lappy: it works well be only with non-free firmware |
| 21:06.39 | abrotman | donw: still not good ? |
| 21:06.56 | A-abc | i want to encrypt a password ; which function should i use? |
| 21:07.03 | jason^ | so i built a new kernel with make-kpkg and used the old kernel (2.6.11) .config with my 2.6.12.5 kernel, i didn't change any options, but now it just shows a black screen when i try to startup with it... any clues why that would happen? |
| 21:07.05 | kamaraju | prk, From the server in question, what happens if you do 'host www.google.com' |
| 21:07.06 | tarzeau | A-abc: mkpasswd , crypt |
| 21:07.17 | prk | kamaraju brb. |
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| 21:07.19 | donw | abrotman: No, that should do it. About the only other nice thing would be a good way to determine what user happens to own a given X display. |
| 21:07.22 | apprentice | my debian apt-setup dont work |
| 21:07.25 | kamaraju | prk, Do you get any IP addresses? |
| 21:07.25 | apprentice | neither does mount |
| 21:07.28 | abrotman | donw: ps aux :) |
| 21:07.40 | donw | abrotman: That's wht I figured. *grin* |
| 21:07.42 | yonkel-lappy | abrotman: thanx. so is it worth looking at? |
| 21:07.45 | donw | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 21:07.48 | Hmmhesays | oh shit, does bind 8 even support srv rrs? |
| 21:07.50 | abrotman | donw: i'm not currently on an X system .. you might be able to use fuser somehow |
| 21:07.55 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: sure |
| 21:07.59 | J_P | drac: sorry for the long time... problem is i buy one D915GEVL and when I do scp with large files(>100mb) i have exception in scp |
| 21:08.02 | Hmmhesays | ok, thats not the problem then |
| 21:08.02 | abrotman | yonkel-lappy: better to get something in kernel if you can |
| 21:08.03 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: it supports even LOC rrs |
| 21:08.13 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: and LOL , ROFL rrs too |
| 21:08.25 | abrotman | yonkel-lappy: other options are prism54.org or madwifi.sf.net .. but i'm not sure either are in the kenrel |
| 21:08.29 | yonkel-lappy | abrotman: i figured something along those lines. i am looking at a bunch of different models right now. |
| 21:08.34 | abrotman | yonkel-lappy: might be worth a trip to #wireless |
| 21:08.40 | Hmmhesays | i think i missed something there |
| 21:08.40 | stew | abrotman: prism54 is |
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| 21:08.42 | Hmmhesays | <chuckle> |
| 21:08.47 | yonkel-lappy | abrotman: any reccomendations on the laptop vendor perhaps? |
| 21:08.48 | abrotman | stew: oh .. finally? |
| 21:08.55 | apprentice | mioght someone help me pklz |
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| 21:09.02 | abrotman | yonkel-lappy: years ago i followed the one true path .. IBM .. |
| 21:09.06 | stew | abrotman: dunno how long, its in 2.6.8 i know |
| 21:09.11 | abrotman | stew: ah ok |
| 21:09.14 | yonkel-lappy | abrotman: they have good stuff |
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| 21:09.30 | abrotman | yonkel-lappy: i love mine .. even the silly buttons and the winmodem work |
| 21:09.42 | jason^ | abrotman: what ibm do you have? |
| 21:09.47 | abrotman | G40 |
| 21:09.51 | abrotman | 2384-33U |
| 21:09.52 | stew | i love my thinkpads |
| 21:09.52 | Falkon | My new compiled kernel is saying it cannot mount the root file system and is going into kernel panic. Any clue what might have done this? |
| 21:09.58 | tom22 | hi all, I am running sarge and my harddrive is soon going to die. How can I move ths system to a new drive. I fond some information in the net. but noen seems to bee ok |
| 21:09.59 | abrotman | i think that's the model number |
| 21:10.04 | tarzeau | Falkon: you. 2.6? |
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| 21:10.11 | abrotman | jason^: it's about 1.5 years old i think |
| 21:10.13 | Falkon | tarzeau: yes |
| 21:10.19 | tarzeau | Falkon: your .config is bad |
| 21:10.23 | Hmmhesays | _telnet._tcp.booty.call SRV 10 1 23 hot2.booty.call. is that the correct format to add a srv record? |
| 21:10.29 | tarzeau | Falkon: w or w/o initrd? |
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| 21:10.35 | stew | Falkon: where did you get the .config from? from a debian kernel? |
| 21:10.37 | jshriver | Good Afternoon |
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| 21:10.43 | yonkel-lappy | abrotman: and *everything* works? i mean, does it have wireless and such? i am concerned as i am going to school |
| 21:10.45 | eutopia | jshriver: good morning |
| 21:10.50 | jason^ | i have a t43p... but i need a new .config for 2.6.11.5 |
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| 21:10.58 | bwlang | i'm trying to set up a ppp server.... is it possible to get pppd to act as a dhcp relay and pass out an address from the dhcp server? |
| 21:10.59 | Falkon | tarzeau: I don't know that one. I did a menuconfig using 2.6.8 source from debian |
| 21:11.03 | stew | yonkel-lappy: the latest ibms have ipw2200 as well |
| 21:11.04 | mathieu_ | anyone know how to configure a cups printer only to print black and white ? |
| 21:11.07 | oli__ | hi, i have a strange dns problem... ftp and ping dont resolve via dns but telnet does. nslookup works forward and backwards like a charm. any hints? |
| 21:11.23 | jshriver | Anyone recommend a way of burning DVD's w/o using cdrecord-ProDVD? I can't ge it to work, hev sed oer 8 hours and 4 DVD blanks ;) any alternatives? |
| 21:11.24 | abrotman | yonkel-lappy: on mine yes .. but mine is 1.5-2 years old .. i can't think of anything that doesn't work .. oh wait .. i think suspend is *stupid* so i don't konw if that works |
| 21:11.40 | yonkel-lappy | right. gotcha |
| 21:11.41 | stew | suspend works fine on my t42 |
| 21:11.45 | kamaraju | jshriver, My favorite is k3b |
| 21:12.21 | jshriver | does it require any kind of weird proprietary stuff or is it a straight deb package? |
| 21:12.23 | Falkon | tarzeau: any clue? |
| 21:12.46 | tarzeau | Falkon: no, i'm running 2.4.31 |
| 21:12.46 | tarzeau | Falkon: 2.6.8 is old |
| 21:12.53 | stew | Falkon: if you started from a debian config, you would have needed to build and cnofigure your bootloader for initrd |
| 21:13.06 | tarzeau | Falkon: using make-kpkg ? |
| 21:13.07 | Falkon | tarzeau: uh.... i thought 2.6 was the newest kernel |
| 21:13.17 | Falkon | tarzeau: es |
| 21:13.17 | tarzeau | Falkon: i think 2.4.31 is newer than 2.6.8 |
| 21:13.34 | Falkon | 2.4 newer than 2.6? |
| 21:13.37 | tarzeau | Falkon: yes |
| 21:13.41 | barryh | tarzeau: no |
| 21:13.44 | stew | Falkon: 2.4.31 is newer than 2.6.8 |
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| 21:13.57 | jdhutchin1 | 2.4.31 was released more recently than 2.6.8 probably |
| 21:14.06 | stew | Falkon: 2.6.12 is newer than 2.4.31 |
| 21:14.06 | Falkon | why does that make absolutely no sense at all |
| 21:14.15 | jdhutchin1 | but that doesn't mean 2.4.31 is "newer" than 2.6.8 |
| 21:14.15 | Falkon | that seems a bit out of sequence does it not? |
| 21:14.21 | jdhutchin1 | norox, there are two kernel lines |
| 21:14.22 | tarzeau | Falkon: because you only look at numbers |
| 21:14.26 | jdhutchin1 | 2.4 is still being maintained |
| 21:14.31 | tarzeau | Falkon: no, just look at the dates |
| 21:14.33 | bucky | Falkon, math wasn't your best subject was it |
| 21:14.35 | jdhutchin1 | but it doesn't have the dev attention that 2.6 does |
| 21:14.36 | tarzeau | jdhutchin1: so is 2.2 |
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| 21:14.58 | jshriver | checking k3b now.. thanks |
| 21:15.01 | Falkon | bucky: are you a fucktard? it has nothing to do with math |
| 21:15.05 | stew | easy |
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| 21:15.17 | tarzeau | jdhutchin1: yes it means it is newer |
| 21:15.18 | jdhutchin1 | it's like saying apache 1.3.x is newer than apache 2.0.0 |
| 21:15.20 | bucky | Falkon, what's bigger, 2.4 or 2.6 fucktard |
| 21:15.28 | bucky | go back to windows |
| 21:15.29 | jdhutchin1 | it may have been release more recently, but that doesn't mean it's "newer" software |
| 21:15.31 | stew | bucky: Falkon: stop |
| 21:15.37 | tom22 | hello, how do I move sarge to a new hdd? |
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| 21:15.45 | streuner | bucky, Falkon: use ignore |
| 21:15.50 | tarzeau | tom22: using dd? www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/ |
| 21:15.57 | Falkon | bucky: 2.6 obviously, thus 2.6 = newer |
| 21:16.20 | J_P | PLease, anyone here use motherboard intel D915 with sarge ? |
| 21:16.21 | eutopia | is Part Image any good? |
| 21:16.21 | tom22 | tarzeau: thx, I am going to check it |
| 21:16.22 | mathieu_ | i'm using debian stable with a 2.6 kernel. can i safely write inside a file on a read-write ntfs partition ? |
| 21:16.26 | streuner | eutopia: yes |
| 21:16.30 | tarzeau | eutopia: no, to me |
| 21:16.39 | eutopia | tarzeau: why? |
| 21:16.41 | Falkon | okay, so 2.4.31 is the newest well supported kernel? |
| 21:16.43 | jshriver | JP: sorry I havent.. but I've used i810 |
| 21:16.43 | stew | mathieu_: no |
| 21:16.44 | tarzeau | streuner: it only caused me problems, whenever i tried it, and i did alot |
| 21:16.47 | skate | mathieu_. i wouldn't write anything to ntfs if i were you |
| 21:16.48 | stew | Falkon: no, 2.6.12 |
| 21:16.49 | jdhutchin1 | mathieu_, not with linux kernel drivers |
| 21:16.55 | tarzeau | eutopia: it never worked as advertised. piece of shit. check bts? |
| 21:16.57 | eutopia | tarzeau: why does it work for others then? |
| 21:16.58 | streuner | tarzeau: never did an restore... |
| 21:16.59 | Falkon | stew, thanks |
| 21:17.00 | jdhutchin1 | mathieu_, you can use captive and that can write fairly safely |
| 21:17.04 | tarzeau | eutopia: bts tells alot about quality of software |
| 21:17.11 | mathieu_ | how does knoppix do it then ? |
| 21:17.17 | eutopia | tarzeau: it works great for others, so I conclude, its user error on your part |
| 21:17.18 | stew | Falkon: what are you trying to do? why are you compiling a kernel yourself instead of just apt-getting one? |
| 21:17.19 | tarzeau | streuner: hahah, and you say yes it's good ;) |
| 21:17.26 | tarzeau | mathieu_: who cares? |
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| 21:17.35 | tarzeau | eutopia: bullshit |
| 21:17.35 | eutopia | streuner: you never did a restore? |
| 21:17.39 | streuner | tarzeau: you wanna say, restore doesn't work ? |
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| 21:17.45 | tarzeau | eutopia: but you're free to think what you want |
| 21:17.45 | streuner | tarzeau: no |
| 21:17.52 | streuner | tarzeau: never needed it |
| 21:17.52 | tarzeau | streuner: i thought you never restored? |
| 21:17.54 | eutopia | tarzeau: what do you use then instead to make a image copy of your hda1? |
| 21:18.00 | tarzeau | eutopia: dd/sdd |
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| 21:18.16 | cowcat | exit |
| 21:18.19 | eutopia | tarzeau: dd only works if both hard drives are same size |
| 21:18.23 | tarzeau | eutopia: bullshit |
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| 21:18.28 | tarzeau | eutopia: that is NOT FUCKING TRUE |
| 21:18.34 | eutopia | tarzeau: whats sdd? |
| 21:18.43 | tarzeau | eutopia: a better dd, can you type apt-cache show sdd ? |
| 21:18.44 | rAz_ | cya |
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| 21:18.49 | Falkon | stew: I wanted the acpi modules for my dell laptop built in |
| 21:18.58 | eutopia | tarzeau: ok ill get sdd, brb |
| 21:19.18 | Hoaxbe | Anyone knows how to boot and install Debian from an existing Windows drive on a laptop without floppy drive and without 'boot from cd-rom'-support? |
| 21:19.19 | Falkon | stew: I also am not familiar with how to set modules to load on startup, as I haven't found documentation on it |
| 21:19.41 | eutopia | tarzeau: do you know Daniel Baumann? |
| 21:19.43 | tarzeau | Hoaxbe: can you boot from network? |
| 21:19.46 | tarzeau | eutopia: yes |
| 21:19.53 | eutopia | tarzeau: cool! |
| 21:20.01 | tarzeau | eutopia: why? |
| 21:20.12 | stew | Falkon: are you compiling your kenrel by starting with a debian config? |
| 21:20.12 | Hoaxbe | tarzeau : no I cannot, it's an old laptop |
| 21:20.16 | stew | Falkon: man 5 modules |
| 21:20.22 | stew | Falkon: or editor /etc/modules |
| 21:20.25 | tarzeau | eutopia: he was catched by military police this week , i hope he's back soon |
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| 21:20.42 | eutopia | tarzeau: what I want to do is make a backup of my hda1 so i can always restore it in case I break Debian! So how would I use sdd to backup my 10gigHD to my 20gig HD? |
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| 21:20.55 | eutopia | tarzeau: why did police want him? |
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| 21:21.17 | tarzeau | eutopia: do military service. i'd use dd in combination of lzop or gzip (if it wasn't all *.jpg) |
| 21:21.23 | elephantman | Is there a command to open a file in his assign app ? |
| 21:21.27 | tarzeau | eutopia: use is like dd. make sure dma is on |
| 21:21.28 | elephantman | like : "open file.pdf" |
| 21:21.41 | elephantman | that would fire the pdf viewer |
| 21:21.43 | tarzeau | elephantman: there's gopen -a someapp the.pdf |
| 21:21.44 | eutopia | tarzeau: how can I be sure dma is on? |
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| 21:21.50 | Sterr | hooyak! |
| 21:21.50 | tarzeau | eutopia: using hdparm |
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| 21:21.59 | Nwallins | is there a package that will check an external ip (by polling something like http://checkip.dyndns.org/ maybe)? |
| 21:22.00 | tarzeau | eutopia: or www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/ |
| 21:22.02 | bf | Sterr, huyak |
| 21:22.14 | tarzeau | Nwallins: too easy to make a package |
| 21:22.19 | elephantman | tarzeau: thanx |
| 21:22.20 | tarzeau | Nwallins: make some script and run it in screen? |
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| 21:22.52 | eutopia | tarzeau: ok ty |
| 21:23.19 | bf | How to install huyak-0.4.2-pre ? |
| 21:23.19 | Falkon | hmmm |
| 21:23.22 | Nwallins | tarzeau: yeah. i hate navigating cpan. haven't installed php yet. maybe php/curl |
| 21:23.31 | Falkon | can't find an image for 2.6.12 kernel. |
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| 21:23.36 | eutopia | tarzeau: so ubercopy is the same as sdd? |
| 21:23.40 | dondelelcaro | navigating cpan? Yeesh. |
| 21:23.41 | tarzeau | Nwallins: i would NEVER use php |
| 21:23.43 | stew | Falkon: what version of debian? |
| 21:23.46 | Sterr | hooyak - rox... but it`s HARD to download... |
| 21:23.51 | dondelelcaro | Nwallins: you just use search.cpan.org |
| 21:23.54 | tarzeau | eutopia: ubercopy is a frontend to dd (you can replace dd by sdd in the cgi) |
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| 21:24.07 | Sterr | f*ckin HARD >:] |
| 21:24.10 | bf | Sterr, try to comment this line in huyak.conf.. "HooFREQ=50" |
| 21:24.12 | eutopia | tarzeau: how do I replace it in cgi? whats cgi? |
| 21:24.17 | tarzeau | eutopia: sdd can be queried with signals, and be asked to retry reads/writes unlike dd |
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| 21:24.26 | tarzeau | eutopia: edit ubercopy.cgi with any $EDITOR |
| 21:24.29 | tarzeau | !cgi |
| 21:24.29 | dpkg | i guess cgi is (Common Gateway Interface) This interface allows scripts or programs to run on a Web server. All Web servers support CGI scripting. You can make a CGI script do pretty much anything a computer program can. Most commonly, they are implemented to control user interaction with the Web server on a Web site. You can use them to password-protect certain parts of your site, or save a user survey to a file on the server.. Computer ... |
| 21:24.34 | eutopia | tarzeau: sorry its best I tell you, im new to Linux for 3 weeks. sorry |
| 21:24.37 | Falkon | stew: shit, testing |
| 21:24.43 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: (i haven't looked yet) but there are tons of http modules |
| 21:24.50 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 21:24.50 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 21:24.54 | Sterr | not worx... mb old hooyak?:) |
| 21:25.02 | dondelelcaro | Nwallins: yes, but the only one you care about is libwww-perl |
| 21:25.02 | Sterr | bf |
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| 21:25.11 | stew | Falkon: 2.6.12 is only in unstable at the moment |
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| 21:25.24 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: ah, thanks. that's the source of my hate is not knowing the right one |
| 21:25.26 | dondelelcaro | (and you could even just do it using wget --spider and some shell) |
| 21:25.29 | tarzeau | Falkon: if you want 2.4.31, gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ |
| 21:25.30 | bf | Sterr, downgrade your hooyak to 0.4.1.. |
| 21:25.46 | Falkon | stew: oh, is 2.6.11 newer than 2.4.31? |
| 21:25.49 | Zap-W | are there any samba-vscan for sarge? |
| 21:25.52 | Sterr | is ANYBODY here can configure huyak-0.4.2-pre? |
| 21:26.09 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: hmm... i would need to parse the html from checkip.dyndns.org |
| 21:26.15 | Sterr | or 0.4.1 |
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| 21:26.34 | Sterr | Y`m really need hooyak :( |
| 21:26.41 | bf | Sterr, "./configure --disable-hooyak-pizdaa" |
| 21:26.49 | Falkon | tarzeau: which is newer 2.6.11-9 or 2.4.31? which would work better for just general purpose. I litterally thought 2.6 was always newer |
| 21:26.51 | dondelelcaro | Nwallins: a trivial regex can do that. |
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| 21:27.01 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: word. i'm on it |
| 21:27.08 | tarzeau | Falkon: i'm happy with 2.4.31 |
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| 21:27.24 | dondelelcaro | !tell Nwallins about myip |
| 21:27.40 | Sterr | bf, thx! Have U any Hooyak Themes? |
| 21:27.41 | Nwallins | muchas gracias |
| 21:27.44 | eutopia | tarzeau: to turn ON DMA for my hda1, is it "hdparm -Q hda1" ? |
| 21:27.53 | tarzeau | eutopia: -d1 ... but beware |
| 21:28.07 | Falkon | tarzeau: well 2.4.31 isn't available either, so 2.4.27 or 2.6.11? |
| 21:28.13 | tarzeau | eutopia: some motherboards or hds are so crappy that they cause data loss (i did have such a box/disk) |
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| 21:28.21 | imek | Has anyone here actually successfully gotten the smeg menu editor to work in debian? |
| 21:28.24 | bf | Sterr, hooyak themes can be downloaded from official hooyak web page |
| 21:28.24 | tarzeau | eutopia: and i have lost /etc ! TWICE one time, and half a year later |
| 21:28.35 | bf | hooyak is not currently in debian ports.. |
| 21:28.36 | tarzeau | (don't ask, i had no backups on both times, and i did manual restores both times) |
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| 21:28.43 | afaict | HI Folks |
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| 21:28.51 | eutopia | tarzeau: hehe ok :) so theres no way to tell I guess till I try it, right? |
| 21:29.02 | afaict | Why is only some unstable mirrors ? |
| 21:29.03 | Sterr | eutopia: f*ck da hooyak, yeah...Am I wrong? "./configure --disable-hooyak-pizdaa" not work... what should I do? Hooyak not worx... |
| 21:29.10 | dondelelcaro | Nwallins: or in this case, wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ ([\d\.]+)\<.+/$1/;' |
| 21:29.13 | bf | Sterr, hooyak-blyapizdec theme is so nice.. try it ) |
| 21:29.19 | tarzeau | eutopia: i'm not sure. i'd only try with a harddisk of someone else |
| 21:29.30 | eutopia | tarzeau: i think ill leave it |
| 21:29.30 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: yes, dpkg told me how to find my _internal_ ip |
| 21:29.41 | eutopia | tarzeau: I can still use sdd without dma |
| 21:29.45 | bf | Sterr, "./configure --disable-hooyak-pizdaa --enable-hooyak-X -debug" |
| 21:29.50 | tarzeau | eutopia: it'll be awfully slow. but yes |
| 21:29.56 | tarzeau | eutopia: like running gnu/hurd ;) |
| 21:30.00 | eutopia | tarzeau: slow is better than no hd :P |
| 21:30.02 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: thanks again |
| 21:30.10 | tarzeau | eutopia: no backup is better than slow |
| 21:30.24 | Sterr | bf, FUCK DA HOOYAK! NOT WORX! |
| 21:30.27 | eutopia | tarzeau: sdd only copied occupided data space doesnt it? it doesnt copy whole HD? |
| 21:30.35 | deadcat | is there a way to find out the lat. long. coordinates of an address? where? i cant find it online |
| 21:30.38 | tarzeau | eutopia: the whole whatever you give it |
| 21:30.39 | gravity | wtf |
| 21:30.43 | tarzeau | eutopia: if you only want data, use tar |
| 21:30.45 | eutopia | tarzeau: that sucks! |
| 21:30.52 | bf | Sterr, just install hooyak-bin from offsite.. |
| 21:30.55 | tarzeau | eutopia: no it's good for filesystems that you can't read |
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| 21:31.14 | eutopia | tarzeau: i used to use Drive Image on XP and it only copied data from HD! why cant sdd do the same? |
| 21:31.14 | tarzeau | eutopia: like ufs(nextstep) or ufs(solaris) and other stuff like that |
| 21:31.29 | Sterr | éà åáàë áëÿòü ýòó àíãëèéñêóþ ïîøëÿòèíêó |
| 21:31.29 | tarzeau | eutopia: because sdd doesn't know about file systems, and it wasn't made for that |
| 21:31.34 | tarzeau | eutopia: you want to use tar then |
| 21:31.35 | eutopia | tarzeau: ok |
| 21:31.49 | bf | Sterr, repeat ? |
| 21:32.00 | saboteur | he is using utf-8 or something? |
| 21:32.13 | eutopia | tarzeau: but tar wont allow me to retore a perfect image of how hda1 was. and it doesnt backup boot partition info either |
| 21:32.19 | bf | imho it's russian.... |
| 21:32.30 | bf | cp1251 |
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| 21:32.39 | saboteur | oh right, all i can see is boxes |
| 21:32.49 | tarzeau | eutopia: you're right |
| 21:32.53 | bf | Sterr, repeat plz ? |
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| 21:33.01 | Sterr | éà åáàë áëÿòü ýòó àíãëèéñêóþ ïîøëÿòèíêó |
| 21:33.12 | bf | áëÿ íèõóéàññå |
| 21:33.14 | Falkon | haha |
| 21:33.16 | Sterr | óãó |
| 21:33.21 | Hmmhesays | there is little documentation on bind and srv records |
| 21:33.24 | Falkon | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.28 | lavapatch | hello, I have just upgraded my debian 2.4.27 kernel to use XFree86 4.5 The installation went fine but now i am having problems getting X to run. |
| 21:33.32 | eutopia | tarzeau: yes, so thats why I wanted to use something besides tar for that reason. oh well :P |
| 21:33.32 | bf | Sterr, speak english plezse |
| 21:33.36 | Sterr | ôàëêîí íàâåðíî íàø ðåçèäåíò! |
| 21:33.41 | tarzeau | Hmmhesays: why do you need srv records? |
| 21:33.47 | bf | ôëàêîí áëÿäü ? |
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| 21:33.55 | Sterr | bf, áóäåøü ïèçäèòü ïíó )) |
| 21:33.57 | Sterr | ûûûû |
| 21:33.58 | eutopia | tarzeau: so using sdd for a 10 gig HD, not using DMA may take 2 hours you think? :P |
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| 21:34.12 | Sterr | òóò âñåì ïîõ íà ÷îì ìû ïèçäèì |
| 21:34.13 | bf | Sterr, íå ïèçäè áëÿäü |
| 21:34.15 | tarzeau | eutopia: no idea, but 10 gb with dma take me like 10 minutes |
| 21:34.16 | gravity | lavapatch: Why are you running XFree86 4.5? |
| 21:34.19 | eutopia | lavapatch: was it broken before tou upgraded? |
| 21:34.21 | bf | âñå çàåáàëè ñóêè |
| 21:34.22 | bf | ) |
| 21:34.23 | Falkon | bf, do you see anything besides ??? ?????????? ??? |
| 21:34.29 | Sterr | íå.. |
| 21:34.33 | Sterr | ôëàêîí ÷óæàê |
| 21:34.37 | bf | åùå ïðèêîë â ðîãîâà ïèçäèòü íà êîè8-ð |
| 21:34.38 | stew | stop |
| 21:34.44 | Sterr | àõàõàõà |
| 21:34.47 | Sterr | äààà |
| 21:34.51 | tarzeau | eutopia: err wait, maybe a bit more |
| 21:34.52 | gravity | Sterr bf Take it elsewhere please |
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| 21:34.58 | Sterr | çàòî çäåñü ïîíÿòíî áëÿòü âñ¸ ñðàçó))) |
| 21:35.00 | eutopia | tarzeau: if I type "hdparm -d1" can I reverse this if I run into trouble? |
| 21:35.00 | Hmmhesays | tarzeau: sip load balancing |
| 21:35.01 | lavapatch | XFree86 -autoconfig gives me the error: open /dev/fb0: no such device |
| 21:35.03 | Hmmhesays | i'd like to get it working |
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| 21:35.12 | bf | Sterr, don't understand |
| 21:35.18 | tarzeau | eutopia: sure -d0, but then it's often too late |
| 21:35.21 | Hmmhesays | but no one seems to know much about it, including google |
| 21:35.28 | bf | õîòÿ åáàòü ýòèõ éàíêè â ðîò |
| 21:35.34 | bf | äåáèàí âñåðàâíî ãàíâî )) |
| 21:35.35 | Sterr | S V O B O D U Y U R I U D E T O C H K I N U ! ! ! |
| 21:35.39 | skate | jesus |
| 21:35.42 | Sterr | íèèáàòñà |
| 21:35.54 | bf | ñêåéò ìóäèëà áëÿ |
| 21:35.55 | Sterr | ñóêàïèäîðàñ |
| 21:35.55 | bf | ) |
| 21:35.57 | eutopia | tarzeau: too late to save the HD? or too late to save the data? |
| 21:35.58 | Sterr | 8)))0 |
| 21:35.59 | bf | ))) |
| 21:36.05 | Falkon | wtf is that shit? |
| 21:36.12 | bf | so funny guy... |
| 21:36.13 | tarzeau | eutopia: data |
| 21:36.14 | eutopia | tarzeau: can it destroy the HD, or limited its lifespan? |
| 21:36.17 | scenestar | those are non ascii charaters |
| 21:36.18 | Falkon | All I see is ???? ))0 |
| 21:36.19 | deadcat | !ops fb and Sterr spamming |
| 21:36.20 | bf | Ôëàêîí áëÿäü åáàëî çàâàëè |
| 21:36.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: fb and Sterr spamming |
| 21:36.22 | Sterr | Falkon, ýòî òâîé áëÿòü êîøìàð íî÷íîé |
| 21:36.25 | lavapatch | eutopia: I was unable to get a proper resolution with my old XFree.... something about not supporting the Radeon IGP chipset on my vaio |
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| 21:36.35 | tarzeau | eutopia: i don't think it can cause physical damage or have a bad effect on its lifespan |
| 21:36.35 | deadcat | bf, not fb |
| 21:36.39 | eutopia | tarzeau: thats ok if that happens, ill reinstall Debian! im using a rather fresh install atm anyway |
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| 21:36.47 | Falkon | Sterr: go ???? ?? ????? )) yourself |
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| 21:37.05 | eutopia | lavapatch: ah ok |
| 21:37.26 | eutopia | tarzeau: well if this command makes my HD faster, why not try it? :) |
| 21:37.35 | mathieu_ | is rsync smart around renaming files if the rsync server has an inferior filesystem i.e. ntfs ? |
| 21:37.43 | tarzeau | eutopia: just try hdparm /dev/hda to see if it's on already? |
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| 21:38.03 | eutopia | tarzeau: once I type ""hdparm -d1" will it be saved and everytime I boot Debain it will use DMA? |
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| 21:38.12 | eutopia | tarzeau: ok brb |
| 21:38.13 | tarzeau | eutopia: no it won't be saved |
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| 21:38.51 | Falkon | kernel 2.6.11 is newer than 2.6.8, correct? |
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| 21:39.03 | tarzeau | Falkon: yes |
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| 21:39.26 | eutopia | whats a pastebin website thats up and running? |
| 21:39.32 | Falkon | tarzeau: thanks. figured it was, but wanted to check |
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| 21:39.47 | streuner | dpkg, CMD: ops (.*?) is ($problem): <reply>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: $problem |
| 21:39.47 | dpkg | ...but CMD: is already something else... |
| 21:40.06 | streuner | dpkg, CMD: ops (.*?) |
| 21:40.07 | dpkg | CMD: ops (.*?) is probably ($problem): <reply>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: $problem |
| 21:40.18 | LoRez | streuner: can you not do that in private? |
| 21:40.24 | eutopia | tarzeau: i dont know if its on! how can I tell? I type "hdparm /dev/hda" but it doesnt say anything about DMA |
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| 21:40.44 | eutopia | tarzeau: actually it does |
| 21:40.53 | eutopia | tarzeau: one lines reads "using_dma = 1 (on)" |
| 21:41.02 | eutopia | tarzeau: so DMA is already one anyway |
| 21:41.02 | Antimatter | 14 |
| 21:41.10 | tarzeau | eutopia: yeah |
| 21:41.17 | tarzeau | 'night |
| 21:41.29 | eutopia | tarzeau: so Debian during installation by defauly turns it on? |
| 21:41.35 | Antimatter | 14 cds is the size of the debian distro? |
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| 21:41.45 | sartan | holy users! |
| 21:41.51 | PerfDave | Antimatter: For some definitions of "the Debian distro" |
| 21:41.51 | skate | it's 14 cds if you're a jackass |
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| 21:42.02 | stew | Antimatter: currently yes, but you only need the first or a netinst to install on a machine that has network access |
| 21:42.03 | tarzeau | eutopia: your version of debian, did, on your hardware |
| 21:42.12 | eutopia | tarzeau: cool :) |
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| 21:42.19 | Antimatter | god damn thing is big |
| 21:42.24 | Antimatter | really big |
| 21:42.35 | tarzeau | Antimatter: only the binary i386 one |
| 21:42.39 | tarzeau | Antimatter: sources are 15 cds |
| 21:42.45 | tarzeau | and there's about 10 other archs |
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| 21:42.51 | streuner | LoRez: why? |
| 21:42.55 | eutopia | tarzeau: now I know why debian seems so much faster than XP was! And my HD is silent on Debian too. in XP i heard it loudly! Does Debian silent the HD or something? :) |
| 21:42.56 | sartan | Hey, folks, i'm trying to get a handle on where debian installs horde3/imp4 to -- did an apt-get install and just can't find out where the files are supposed to be. Can someone give me a super-quick one-line sentence on where to start? |
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| 21:43.07 | maher | Antimatter: you can probably install off a 50mb netinstall cd if you have a fast connection |
| 21:43.08 | Antimatter | one cd? |
| 21:43.22 | tarzeau | eutopia: no it doesn't, but it doesn't randomly read/write stuff if it doesn't have to |
| 21:43.27 | LoRez | streuner: you just highlighted all the ops multiple times |
| 21:43.29 | Antimatter | maher relatively but i'm gonna install it on more than a machine |
| 21:43.31 | baphomt | any kde3.4.2 repository? |
| 21:43.32 | streuner | LoRez: the problem is, i haven't used this many times... |
| 21:43.55 | afaict | Why is only some unstable mirrors ? |
| 21:43.56 | maher | sartan: dpkg -L packagename |
| 21:43.58 | streuner | LoRez: so i wasn't sure if it works or not... |
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| 21:44.08 | afaict | I would like a unstable mirror list... could someone give me one ? |
| 21:44.20 | tarzeau | afaict: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 21:44.23 | eutopia | tarzeau: ok! for I love that in Debian, I never hear the HD being accessed! but in XP, it used to be very loud and a "grinding" type sound! |
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| 21:44.33 | jcuk | on debian, how do i convert PNG screenshots to JPEG screenshots. Also what is the file browser used for gnome :) |
| 21:44.35 | streuner | LoRez: whatever, it seems to work |
| 21:44.40 | sartan | d'oh. thanks maher, forgot you could do that =) |
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| 21:44.59 | tarzeau | jcuk: using convert (imagemagick), nautilus? |
| 21:45.05 | eutopia | tarzeau: ok seeing dma is on! now im ready to use ubercopy :) |
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| 21:45.15 | tarzeau | eutopia: it's really just dd for idiots |
| 21:45.34 | Antimatter | tarzeau : it is binary-1 and the rest is sources right? |
| 21:45.39 | Zap-W | hey , i want to replace a windows 2003 server with linux server , only problem is that all clients use alot of the MS exchange server |
| 21:45.47 | kamaraju | How do I know the number of pages currently on http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ and how can I find the total size of the documentation? |
| 21:45.51 | eutopia | tarzeau: lol |
| 21:45.52 | jcuk | weird, when i enter nautilus into run program it says it cant find it |
| 21:45.57 | tarzeau | Antimatter: no |
| 21:46.02 | tarzeau | Antimatter: there's 15 cds of sources |
| 21:46.09 | tarzeau | Antimatter: and 14 cds of binaries (for i386) |
| 21:46.12 | eutopia | tarzeau: can I type "apt-get install ubercopy" ? |
| 21:46.16 | jcuk | 'There is no default action accsociated with this action |
| 21:46.18 | Antimatter | ok ok |
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| 21:46.27 | tarzeau | eutopia: no, but i've got a package at www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/ i think |
| 21:46.36 | Antimatter | i'm gonne download netinst :) |
| 21:46.46 | eutopia | tarzeau: so you have already compiled it for me? thanks ;) |
| 21:46.59 | tarzeau | eutopia: it's not compilable, it's a cgi |
| 21:47.04 | tarzeau | bash |
| 21:47.14 | tarzeau | Antimatter: can't you netboot? |
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| 21:47.28 | eutopia | tarzeau: so once I download it, what do I do with it? :P |
| 21:47.41 | Antimatter | tarzeau : i can |
| 21:47.43 | tarzeau | eutopia: look at the .cgi, and don't use it |
| 21:47.47 | Antimatter | hmm |
| 21:48.07 | Antimatter | one of the computers is very aging it may not |
| 21:48.10 | tarzeau | Antimatter: i'd go for http://gnu.ethz.ch/d-i/ |
| 21:48.14 | Antimatter | (is not) |
| 21:48.16 | kamaraju | I got disconnected, so if someone posted an answer to my previous question, please post it again. |
| 21:48.22 | eutopia | tarzeau: what you mean dont use it? |
| 21:48.26 | Antimatter | tarzeau : 10x 4 ur helps :) |
| 21:48.45 | tarzeau | eutopia: it won't copy partitions, only whole disks |
| 21:49.08 | tarzeau | eutopia: only idiots use that... ;) smart people use dd/sdd |
| 21:49.17 | tarzeau | eutopia: i mean, all browsers suck |
| 21:49.34 | jcuk | in console, how do i view the size of a certain file? |
| 21:49.36 | eutopia | tarzeau: were you ever an "idiot" when you began using linux? |
| 21:49.42 | maher | jcuk: ls -l |
| 21:49.45 | jcuk | thanks |
| 21:50.00 | tarzeau | eutopia: i'd rather say, unknowing, yes of course |
| 21:50.03 | kamaraju | jcuk, use du -h filename |
| 21:50.12 | tarzeau | but firefox sucks: zsh: segmentation fault firefox |
| 21:50.13 | bumblefsck | hi i have a quick Q re: lilo and boot sectors |
| 21:50.17 | tarzeau | worst browser of all |
| 21:50.58 | eutopia | tarzeau: well if you empathise, I am into my 3rd week using linux :) |
| 21:50.58 | jcuk | thanks |
| 21:50.59 | tarzeau | eutopia: that's the hardest time, when you feel like going back |
| 21:51.01 | hruske | tarzeau, i agree. |
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| 21:51.04 | eutopia | tarzeau: in your opinion, what it my best method to backup my hda1 to hdb1? |
| 21:51.05 | tarzeau | eutopia: be though, it pays off |
| 21:51.15 | LordMyren | how do i select what DHCP server to connect to? |
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| 21:51.22 | tarzeau | eutopia: create the destination partition in cfdisk of the correct size |
| 21:51.27 | jdhutchin1 | LordMyren, you don't select a dhcp server to connect to |
| 21:51.27 | hruske | LordMyren you dont |
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| 21:51.29 | LordMyren | i'm trying to connect to my friends wireless but it keeps choosing other dhcp's instead |
| 21:51.31 | eutopia | tarzeau: I never felt like going back, i hate MS windows that deeply :) i been going forward and loving it and learning linux and Debian :) |
| 21:51.37 | tarzeau | eutopia: and then use dd/sdd manually if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1 bs=1m |
| 21:51.38 | r_marvin | LordMyren: the only one on your network |
| 21:51.38 | jdhutchin1 | LordMyren, then you need to connect to your friend's ap |
| 21:51.50 | jdhutchin1 | LordMyren, you're most likely connected to someone else's ap |
| 21:51.58 | LordMyren | thanks, thats what i just said |
| 21:52.06 | r_marvin | don't use dhcp then |
| 21:52.11 | maher | eutopia: do you need the exact partition strucure or do you just want to backup the files? |
| 21:52.18 | kamaraju | eutopia, I copied files from one partitiion to another partition recently and I used rsync -avz and it worked like a charm. read rsync's man page for other options. |
| 21:52.19 | eutopia | tarzeau: I started with Mepis, but they were self righteous there the ops, so I changed to Debian :) |
| 21:52.22 | LordMyren | you're not given much of a choice with theese cheap ass AP's |
| 21:52.29 | tarzeau | eutopia: smart move |
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| 21:52.40 | tarzeau | eutopia: but really i want to go to sleep now |
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| 21:52.47 | Daffy-PKF | how can i do in a shell script so that if a command fail it print something then exit? |
| 21:52.48 | LordMyren | I iwconfig eth1 essid MyFriendsESSID, but that doesnt seem to be affecting my DHCP client's pickup |
| 21:52.48 | eutopia | maher: my objective was to make a pefect copy of Debian, in case I break it, I can just restore |
| 21:52.56 | eutopia | tarzeau: smart move indeeed, thanks :) |
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| 21:53.00 | green_earz | eutopia: here a use full debian doc to bookmark "Debian Reference" > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 21:53.03 | eutopia | tarzeau: ok night ;) |
| 21:53.09 | eutopia | green_earz: ty |
| 21:53.19 | LordMyren | i still think there has to be some way to choose a dhcp server; makes perfect sense |
| 21:53.23 | maher | eutopia: just copying the files is probably enough then - if hdb is a lot bigger than hda try dirvish |
| 21:53.27 | eutopia | green_earz: btw, what happened to your ears? :) |
| 21:53.56 | eutopia | maher: will dirvish make a mirror image copy of hda, including boot sectors? |
| 21:53.56 | green_earz | eutopia: to much playing in the trees |
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| 21:54.06 | eutopia | green_earz: lol ;) good come back |
| 21:54.14 | maher | eutopia: no |
| 21:54.25 | eutopia | maher: well im seeking a method which will |
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| 21:55.13 | ac3 | Hi |
| 21:55.46 | LordMyren | is there anything i can msg dpkg to get info on the ABI update? |
| 21:55.59 | LordMyren | shit is killing me |
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| 21:56.44 | kamaraju | ac3, hi |
| 21:57.00 | yonkel-lappy | anyone have any idea if the atheros wifi chipset is supported? |
| 21:57.05 | ac3 | How should i run a custom cronjob (as root) in sarge? crontab -e and then putting the line "* * * * * echo lol >> /tmp/lol" works but "59 23 * * * echo test >> /tmp/test" does not |
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| 21:58.01 | LordMyren | yonkel-lappy: i think its madwifi Tux or something like that |
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| 21:58.10 | kamaraju | yonkel-lappy, what is your chipset number? |
| 21:58.24 | eutopia | kamaraju: when you restored, the HD was exactly like before and it booted ok into Debian? |
| 21:58.27 | yonkel-lappy | kamaraju: i don't know. i am looking at laptops and sort of wondering. |
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| 21:58.39 | yonkel-lappy | LordMyren: is madwifi part of the kernel? |
| 21:58.50 | jcuk | er, it seems, after installing gdesklets i can no longer left click desktop to bring up the desktop menu.. |
| 21:58.56 | jcuk | how do i resolve this problem? |
| 21:59.04 | kamaraju | eutopia, I was worried about the files only. I can always copy back the files and that was what I wanted. |
| 21:59.26 | maher | yonkel-lappy: try linux-laptop.net |
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| 21:59.37 | kamaraju | yonkel-lappy, ok. does lspci -v give some info on the chipset number? |
| 21:59.39 | LordMyren | yonkel-lappy: http://sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/ |
| 21:59.52 | LordMyren | what part of shopping around didnt you get |
| 22:00.13 | yonkel-lappy | kamaraju: i don't have the laptop yet. i am looking at buying it |
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| 22:00.35 | NeoZero | hi all! |
| 22:00.38 | eutopia | kamaraju: i want to backup my hda to hdb! and then if I totally format hda. I want to restore from hdb and have hda up and running as before! know what I mean? |
| 22:00.50 | kamaraju | yonkel-lappy, google search for linux on laptops |
| 22:01.01 | yonkel-lappy | kamaraju: thank you! |
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| 22:01.15 | eutopia | kamaraju: so you had to reinstall Debian first? And then you restored files after that? |
| 22:01.26 | dondelelcaro | ac3: both of those should run; although, you may have to wait a while for the latter to actually run. |
| 22:01.26 | LordMyren | he gives a google poke, i give a page for the driver and what do i get? jack all. |
| 22:01.35 | maher | eutopia: cat /dev/hda > pathtomounteddiskb/diskimage will do this |
| 22:01.52 | kamaraju | eutopia, I have not reinstalled anything. I was updating to xorg from xfree86. So I backed up everything before. |
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| 22:02.03 | eutopia | maher: ok |
| 22:02.06 | cadu | anyone here got iPodder working on Debian Sarge ? |
| 22:02.09 | cadu | !anyone use |
| 22:02.09 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 22:02.15 | cadu | :'( |
| 22:02.17 | kamaraju | eutopia, I did not make a bootable backup if that is what you are after. I just wanted a backup for my files. |
| 22:02.22 | eutopia | !diskimage |
| 22:02.59 | eutopia | kamaraju: i want to create a bootable mirror image in case I break Debian. And the restore it if needed |
| 22:03.12 | maher | eutopia: you can restore the image by cat-ing it back to /dev/hda |
| 22:03.26 | eutopia | maher: whats cat? |
| 22:03.35 | eutopia | !cat |
| 22:03.35 | dpkg | from memory, cat is a *nix command, see also more, less, or even better : the heavenly sweet 'dog'. |
| 22:03.35 | Blissex | eutopia: that's a truly newbiew question ;-) |
| 22:03.41 | zinx | eutopia: read some basic *nix documentation |
| 22:03.45 | kamaraju | eutopia, sorry! I dont have an answer for your problem. |
| 22:03.48 | maher | eutopia: a command for taking the contents of the file and sending it somewhere else |
| 22:03.50 | cadu | !dog :) |
| 22:04.02 | eutopia | Blissex: im 3 week old Linux user! tossed XP forever ;) |
| 22:04.04 | SimonRaven | cadu: maybe asking differently will get a better response |
| 22:04.08 | cadu | dd if=/dev/hda of=myhdbackup |
| 22:04.20 | cadu | iPodder will run on Debian Sarge? ^^ |
| 22:04.23 | eutopia | cadu: im using sdd |
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| 22:04.34 | afaict | whereis the debian-non-US unstable mirrors ? I could not find in debian.org website. |
| 22:04.36 | cadu | eutopia: then md5 your backup :) |
| 22:04.48 | Blissex | eutopia: then first thing to do is to read a nice introduction to the UNIX/Linux shell, as a lot of things become quicker then. |
| 22:04.55 | cadu | you don't wanna restore a corrupted backup ^^ |
| 22:05.04 | dondelelcaro | afaict: see /topic |
| 22:05.16 | kamaraju | yonkel-lappy, check out this link before you buy http://www.linux-laptop.net/ . I found it very useful |
| 22:05.32 | eutopia | "sdd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1 bs=1m" <-- will this command make a mirror image of my hda to my hdb? |
| 22:06.02 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: only of hda1, and it won't be what you want if hdb1 is smaller than hda1. |
| 22:06.12 | Morydd | installing through apt php4-mysql does not seem to enable the mysql extensions for virtual servers, any ideas how to configure this? |
| 22:06.14 | jcuk | How do i change my splash screen? |
| 22:06.18 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: hdb is 20 gig and hda is 10 gig |
| 22:06.38 | afaict | dondelelcaro, sorry |
| 22:06.38 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: the disk size isn't important here; it's the size of the hda1 and hdb1 partition. |
| 22:06.40 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: so source is half the size of destination |
| 22:06.43 | Daveman | hey dondelelcaro :) |
| 22:06.45 | dondelelcaro | Daveman: sup |
| 22:06.46 | jdhutchin1 | Morydd, it should, unless you have a really weird config that you'd have to figure out yourself |
| 22:07.14 | afaict | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.23 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: since hda1 is the first partition on hda and hdb1 is the first partition on hdb; if you want the entire disk, dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb |
| 22:07.27 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: my main objective is to make a bootable mirror image of hda! in case of brewaking Debain, I can simply restore it from hdb, and Debian will be up and running again |
| 22:07.44 | A-abc | is there a header file in C that i could use for parsing urls? |
| 22:07.53 | dondelelcaro | (although, in this case, that will obliterate hdb |
| 22:08.25 | afaict | dondelelcaro, so only unstable is fine now ? |
| 22:08.26 | Daveman | dondelelcaro, just trying to build a deb :p |
| 22:09.10 | dondelelcaro | afaict: sarge, etch and sid all no longer need the non-us repository. The explanation of why is given in the <crypto in main> factoid |
| 22:09.15 | dondelelcaro | Daveman: cool |
| 22:09.27 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: my hda is madde up of 3 parts, hda1, tmpfs and hda3. So will "sdd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb" backup all that? |
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| 22:09.31 | afaict | dondelelcaro, I already red crypto in main. |
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| 22:09.47 | dondelelcaro | afaict: then you should understand why non-US is no more. |
| 22:09.54 | afaict | dondelelcaro, :D ok |
| 22:10.21 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: and will "sdd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1 bs=1m" do the same? |
| 22:10.29 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: I don't use sdd |
| 22:10.37 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: sorry I meant |
| 22:10.44 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: and will "sdd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=1m" do the same? |
| 22:11.01 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: presumably; however that will also totally obliterate whatever is on hdb |
| 22:11.02 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: sdd is same as dd, but a newer version |
| 22:11.14 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: hdb is empty 20 gig HD |
| 22:11.35 | Supaplex | ln -s sdd dd |
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| 22:11.39 | Supaplex | ;o) |
| 22:11.44 | eutopia | !sdd |
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| 22:12.23 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: whats "bs=1m" do exactly? |
| 22:12.58 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: sets the blocksize to one megabyte; although, it may need to be bs=1M |
| 22:13.00 | beardy | eutopia: It's documented in the manual. bs means ByteSkip. |
| 22:13.10 | kg4wxw | HELP any one out there work with the windows based quick books? im trying to migrate a customer to debian for there server and there only fear is quick books not working with linux any help? |
| 22:13.11 | beardy | oh, hmm.. |
| 22:13.13 | dondelelcaro | beardy: that's skip |
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| 22:13.56 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: ok ty for your help |
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| 22:14.03 | eutopia | beardy: ok thanks |
| 22:14.07 | eutopia | brb |
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| 22:14.26 | beardy | eutopia: Note that I was wrong though.. |
| 22:14.34 | green_earz | eutopia: why not run a raid1 then ? a very good software debian link if you are intrested > http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/ |
| 22:14.34 | eutopia | beardy: wrong about what? |
| 22:14.47 | eutopia | green_earz: whats raid? :P |
| 22:14.51 | steve_ | hey - how do i install my atheros card, i follow the bot's instructions- but still doesnt work |
| 22:14.57 | eutopia | !raid |
| 22:14.58 | dpkg | raid is, like, Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks, the opposite of SLED, or what master.debian.org doesn't have See also: raid {0-5}, or http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/, or see http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid |
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| 22:15.26 | eeyore- | does anyone know of a package that'll record from webcam into mpeg or divx stream? what do you recommend? |
| 22:15.36 | eeyore- | i need to record about four hours worth of footage |
| 22:15.46 | eeyore- | and i only have about 10GB to spare ... will this be enough? |
| 22:15.49 | steve_ | isnt raid indepenent instead of inexpensive?!?!??!? |
| 22:16.03 | Nwallins | steve_: originally, no |
| 22:16.14 | steve_ | really |
| 22:16.21 | eeyore- | steve_: Redundant Array of Inexpensive Drives |
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| 22:16.26 | Nwallins | the e in SLED stands for expensive |
| 22:16.30 | kamaraju | steve_, Do you have a madwifi driver available for your card? |
| 22:16.38 | eeyore- | steve_: lately, realities change the meaning of "I" quite a bit |
| 22:16.53 | steve_ | yes i do kamaraju |
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| 22:17.03 | drew | what packes do I need for java? |
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| 22:17.12 | maher | drew: use java-package |
| 22:17.18 | dondelelcaro | http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/2005/08_august/computer_museum_20050813/014_franken_raid_disks_20050813.jpg <-- original RAID |
| 22:17.31 | dondelelcaro | well, early raid... |
| 22:17.33 | drew | maher okay, but what about flash? and I also need drivers for my speakers |
| 22:17.38 | kamaraju | steve_: Then it is very simple. Just update your sources.list and then do m-a prepare; m-a update; m-a a-i madwifi |
| 22:17.47 | newmanbe | win 24 |
| 22:17.58 | pusling | has madwifi entered debian ? |
| 22:17.58 | newmanbe | Hmm, second time today I think. Sorry. |
| 22:18.08 | kamaraju | steve_: Let me get the sources.list line for you |
| 22:18.38 | maher | drew: apt-cache search flash - do you mean you need drivers for your sound card? |
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| 22:18.54 | drew | maher, I think so, my speakers won't produce sound |
| 22:18.55 | kamaraju | steve_: Just read http://www.users.tpg.com.au/sigm/misc/madwiki.txt and everything is explained there. |
| 22:18.57 | steve_ | Version 20041023-1 of madwifi-modules-2.6.8-2-686 already installed, skipping |
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| 22:19.13 | steve_ | what do i do after that |
| 22:19.22 | eutopia | steve_: sleep |
| 22:19.35 | kamaraju | steve_: did you modprobe ath_pci? |
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| 22:19.39 | steve_ | cant sleep- i do meth |
| 22:19.42 | steve_ | modprobe? |
| 22:19.46 | steve_ | whats modprobe |
| 22:20.12 | kamaraju | steve_ : Read http://madwifi.sourceforge.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=debian&DokuWiki=49645d16305d55afccaaac1c960b032d |
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| 22:20.56 | kamaraju | steve_: modprobe loads the necessary modules. |
| 22:20.58 | steve_ | i did that and still no ath0 showing up |
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| 22:21.16 | kamaraju | steve_: what are the error messages? |
| 22:21.27 | steve_ | pm1700:/home/steve# modprobe ath_pci |
| 22:21.27 | steve_ | WARNING: Error inserting ath_rate_sample (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/net/ath_rate_sample.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
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| 22:21.38 | drew | maher, to be more specific, I need mozilla plugins for flash and java. Do you know what they are called? |
| 22:21.45 | astronut | can someone help me with help2man, it won't work right not sure if i'm giving bad options or if it just can't parse it |
| 22:21.53 | kamaraju | steve_, Are you using gcc-4.0 by any chance? |
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| 22:22.07 | steve_ | i dunno? i'm using etch |
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| 22:22.20 | kamaraju | what does gcc -v tell you? |
| 22:22.33 | steve_ | gcc version 4.0.1 (Debian 4.0.1-2) |
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| 22:23.05 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 22:23.07 | S4nD3r | my sound card doesnot work |
| 22:23.10 | kamaraju | steve_: that could be the problem. 2.6.8 is compiled with lower version of gcc and your madwifi module is compiled with gcc-4.0 |
| 22:23.16 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.16 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.27 | maher | drew: the java plugin will be installed by using java-package - apt-cache search flash should get you the flash plugin - you probably need non-free sources |
| 22:23.38 | steve_ | kamaraju: what should i do? |
| 22:23.56 | S4nD3r | how do I install my sound card? |
| 22:23.58 | kamaraju | Do you have linux-image-2.6.12 available in Etch? |
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| 22:24.09 | steve_ | lemme check |
| 22:24.14 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.22 | kg4wxw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:24.55 | SimonRaven | @tell kg4wxw -about search |
| 22:25.01 | steve_ | 2.6.12 not availbe in etch |
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| 22:25.35 | S4nD3r | please |
| 22:25.35 | zer0 | which debian package will give the manpage for gnome_app_new() ? |
| 22:25.39 | S4nD3r | help me |
| 22:25.43 | kg4wxw | ? didnt see anything SimonRaven |
| 22:25.45 | kamaraju | steve_ Then I do not know what to do. I am guessing that is the problem. You could ask in the madwifi mailing list if others do not reply on this IRC. |
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| 22:26.02 | SimonRaven | see the other window |
| 22:26.06 | kamaraju | zer0, man apt-file |
| 22:26.14 | steve_ | madwifi worked earlier this year in sarge |
| 22:26.18 | steve_ | then i reformatted |
| 22:26.23 | steve_ | and forgot how i did it |
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| 22:26.44 | kamaraju | That was probably in the days when gcc-3.3 was default on Etch |
| 22:26.52 | kg4wxw | i was unaware of a package for quick books pro |
| 22:26.57 | steve_ | cant i just uninstall gcc4? |
| 22:26.58 | zer0 | thanks kamaraju |
| 22:27.01 | drew | maher, I can't find java-package |
| 22:27.02 | kg4wxw | thanks |
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| 22:27.08 | kamaraju | zer0, np |
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| 22:27.39 | steve_ | cant i just uninstall gcc4? |
| 22:27.43 | maher | drew: do you have on-free and contrib in your sources |
| 22:27.48 | SimonRaven | one less package to build locally, yay |
| 22:27.49 | maher | drew: do you have non-free and contrib in your sources |
| 22:27.52 | drew | I dunno |
| 22:28.02 | maher | drew: well i dunno either |
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| 22:28.13 | kamaraju | steve_, dont do that. gcc4.0 is the default one now. You cannot remove it without removing a lot of packages. |
| 22:28.21 | steve_ | d'oh |
| 22:28.25 | maher | drew: try looking in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:28.32 | steve_ | can i compile madwifi with gcc4? |
| 22:28.32 | pusling | how do you people install madwifi ? I cant find madwifi in my apt-cache ? |
| 22:28.32 | drew | maher ok |
| 22:28.46 | LordMyren | this abi update is insane |
| 22:29.05 | LordMyren | how in the fsck are they going to get EVERY developer to update their package to gcc4 |
| 22:29.07 | maher | LordMyren: just put stuff on hold - if its casuing you problems you should really be using stable |
| 22:29.11 | kamaraju | steve_, that;s what you did till now. You need to compile it with the same gcc version as kernel-image-2.6.8 was compiled. |
| 22:29.22 | drew | maher, I'll post my sources.list in #flood |
| 22:29.35 | LordMyren | thats what i've been doing. the list keeps growing. i'm just boggled at how much work it must be for the devs |
| 22:29.45 | steve_ | so how should i so that? |
| 22:30.08 | kamaraju | steve_, No idea about that. |
| 22:30.19 | steve_ | what if i just used sarge? |
| 22:30.31 | S4nD3r | nobody are going to help me to install my sound card? |
| 22:30.31 | steve_ | would that have the gcc problems? |
| 22:30.38 | steve_ | or compile my kernel with gcc 3/ |
| 22:30.53 | kamaraju | You cannot go back. |
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| 22:31.02 | steve_ | cant go back?@? |
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| 22:31.09 | steve_ | i mean- reformat |
| 22:31.19 | kamaraju | why? for wireless? |
| 22:31.22 | steve_ | yeah |
| 22:31.27 | steve_ | i need wireless |
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| 22:31.49 | steve_ | cant i compile a kernel with gcc 3.3? |
| 22:31.55 | drew | maher, there is a problem again |
| 22:31.57 | kamaraju | steve_, that is insane. I am just unable to give you a solution. That does not mean that there is no solution. |
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| 22:32.55 | sm | hey all.. how can I make sudo remember my password for longer ? |
| 22:33.01 | dondelelcaro | steve_: set HOSTCC and CC to gcc-3.4 and compile. |
| 22:33.06 | zinosat | I'm writing an email with mutt and I attached the wrong file: how do I tell mutt to remove it? |
| 22:33.08 | kamaraju | steve_, try getting 2.6.12 from unstable and then compile your madwifi against it. But then you will not be running etch. |
| 22:33.16 | dondelelcaro | (or gcc-3.3 or whatever 2.6.8 was compiled against) |
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| 22:33.42 | kamaraju | dondelelcaro, But what if he is using m-a to compile it? |
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| 22:34.33 | LunarCrisis | How can I tell what version of the FAT fs my CompactFlash card is formatted for? |
| 22:35.20 | dondelelcaro | kamaraju: you'll have to figure out how m-a is calling make and add the appropriate variables there. |
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| 22:37.08 | kamaraju | Currently, 2.6.11 is not compiled with gcc-4.0 which is the default compiler in sid. Do you think it is appropriate to file a bug requesting the maintainer to compile it with gcc-4.0? |
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| 22:37.34 | maher | kamaraju: i think the maintainer may already be aware of the gcc transition... |
| 22:37.38 | dondelelcaro | kamaraju: it can't be compiled with gcc-4.0 |
| 22:38.10 | drew | does anyone know how I can figure out what driver I need for my sound card? |
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| 22:38.20 | tech9iner | thingfish hey buddy |
| 22:38.28 | kamaraju | It cant? why? any link on that? |
| 22:38.31 | tech9iner | in a flash to got 2 appt |
| 22:38.35 | tech9iner | but sayn hi.. |
| 22:38.43 | tech9iner | btw |
| 22:38.51 | thingfish | hey, what's going on tech9iner |
| 22:39.16 | tech9iner | any fellow debians present an 'orkut' above the rest of us care to invite me into orkut's realm Please ?? ;];] |
| 22:39.21 | tech9iner | whine beg whine |
| 22:39.27 | thingfish | meetin' your crack connection, right? |
| 22:39.31 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:39.38 | tech9iner | gotta get in like mins when assoc hits fron door |
| 22:39.48 | tech9iner | ssshhhhhh thingfish .. |
| 22:39.52 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:40.00 | tech9iner | dammit me mudder hangs out here recall thingfish lol |
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| 22:40.11 | S4nD3r | nobody are going to help me to install my sound card? |
| 22:40.16 | thingfish | that's ok, she knows all about crack too, I'm sure. |
| 22:40.28 | thingfish | my mom does. |
| 22:40.34 | tech9iner | thingfish she'll start hiding her purse again an ill run outta dpe thingfish hehe |
| 22:40.40 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:41.05 | tech9iner | uknow thingfish .. my maw'z still got those army boots she borrowed from urin'z hehe |
| 22:41.11 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 22:41.49 | thingfish | yeah...when was the last time they got together and drank a case of beer each? |
| 22:41.53 | eutopia | does dd make an image file? or does it just copy files individually? |
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| 22:42.35 | tech9iner | hehe |
| 22:42.39 | eutopia | i typed "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb" but after it finished, I cant see any image file or anything on hdb! any advice? |
| 22:42.40 | thingfish | ;) |
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| 22:43.02 | tech9iner | your maw'z behind mine thingfish .. mine's upgraded to skag 2.0 hehe |
| 22:43.20 | thingfish | hehe she always was the classier of the two... |
| 22:43.27 | Nwallins | making a shell script that checks the one-line contents of a file.. should i open it from within the script or pass it in with file redirection? how to decide? |
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| 22:43.38 | eutopia | any1 here experienced in using "dd" ? |
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| 22:43.58 | nadjyla | hello |
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| 22:45.10 | kamaraju | nadjyla, no need to say hello; Just ask your question. |
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| 22:45.48 | bsims | I am having trouble getting cdrecord to work on 2.6.12 I ran the command `cdrecord dev=ATA: -scanbus` but it hangs trying to read /dev/hda <g> |
| 22:45.53 | bsims | any ideas? |
| 22:47.03 | kamaraju | bsims, Did you try k3b? It is really great. |
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| 22:47.21 | eutopia | any1 here ever used dd? |
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| 22:48.33 | epsilon | maybe |
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| 22:48.53 | LoneWlf | yeah, what's it to yah? |
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| 22:49.19 | eutopia | i typed "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb" but after it finished, I cant see any image file or anything on hdb! any advice? |
| 22:49.27 | epsilon | guess it's faster if you ask who never used dd |
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| 22:49.40 | eutopia | epsilon: any ideas? |
| 22:50.04 | epsilon | any error message? |
| 22:50.07 | eutopia | no |
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| 22:50.15 | eutopia | it just said read and written |
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| 22:50.34 | eutopia | epsilon: isnt dd supposed to have made a image file on hdb? |
| 22:51.05 | Gathond | eutopia: no |
| 22:51.06 | epsilon | you copied in wa. there is no 'image file' |
| 22:51.12 | epsilon | s/wa/raw |
| 22:51.16 | ghatak | hi, i want to keep an eye on how much data per month is being downloaded on my dsl connection, n e way to do that? |
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| 22:51.30 | kingtux | How do u start up swat for samba? |
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| 22:51.39 | kingtux | i type swat and it just hangs there |
| 22:51.44 | eutopia | Gathond: so what does it do then? |
| 22:51.52 | Gathond | eutopia: in the above you copied /dev/hda to /dev/hdb ... that is a byte for byte image, not any imagefile |
| 22:51.59 | eutopia | epsilon: but shouldnt I see something on hdb? |
| 22:52.00 | LoneWlf | kingtux: swatd? or put it in inetd... its a webapp |
| 22:52.13 | eutopia | Gathond: ok but hdb is empty! nothing there |
| 22:52.18 | Gathond | eutopia: hdb should contain anything, filesystems and so forth as hda did |
| 22:52.19 | Rawplayer | mount it?:) |
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| 22:52.47 | kingtux | don't see a swatd |
| 22:52.49 | kingtux | ?? |
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| 22:53.12 | eutopia | kingtux: i see nothing |
| 22:53.17 | LoneWlf | one seck |
| 22:53.27 | eutopia | Gathond: hdb contains nothing |
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| 22:53.31 | kingtux | ?? |
| 22:53.40 | peter__ | hello. My server is directly connected to the internet and I have sshd running. I can ssh to myself locally, but externally I get an error -- no route to host. I can ping the IP address |
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| 22:54.02 | LoneWlf | # (from the Samba documentation). Enable the third entry to enable the swat |
| 22:54.02 | LoneWlf | swat stream tcp nowait/400 root /usr/local/sbin/swat swat |
| 22:54.08 | eutopia | kingtux: no I see niothing there |
| 22:54.15 | LoneWlf | -bash:~$ grep swat /etc/services |
| 22:54.15 | LoneWlf | swat 901/tcp # samba web configuration tool |
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| 22:54.20 | LoneWlf | the first one is inetd.conf |
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| 22:54.28 | LoneWlf | hope that helps |
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| 22:54.47 | eutopia | LoneWlf: who was that for? |
| 22:54.47 | kingtux | i don't have that |
| 22:54.52 | Phated | !hire LoneWlf |
| 22:54.56 | LoneWlf | eutopia : kingtux |
| 22:54.58 | kingtux | should i just add that in |
| 22:54.59 | kingtux | ?? |
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| 22:55.15 | LoneWlf | Phated : you are my boss? |
| 22:55.20 | LoneWlf | Phated : I quit, lol |
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| 22:55.37 | Nwallins | is there a better way to do in a shell script: FILECONTENTS=`cat /path/to/file` ? for my situation, i can assume that file is a one-liner |
| 22:55.41 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 22:55.41 | dpkg | <veleno> Guerin: i don't know what a moron is. |
| 22:55.41 | Phated | That would be dpkg, actually, or can't one read? |
| 22:55.44 | Nwallins | peter__: nmap the host |
| 22:55.54 | eutopia | Gathond: have you ever used dd to backup hda to hdb? |
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| 22:56.23 | LoneWlf | Phated : yes, one can read, but since you told them to... I just figured I'd go direct to the source... |
| 22:56.39 | Gathond | eutopia: I have used it for copying partitions one by one |
| 22:56.42 | Phated | Try doing that to a CEO sometime, eh. |
| 22:56.55 | peter__ | Nwallins ? |
| 22:56.56 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: The correct word was "you", not "one". |
| 22:57.02 | Gathond | eutopia: you might need to either reboot or somehow else make the kernel refresh the partition table on hdb |
| 22:57.04 | LoneWlf | Phated : do that too... it only works while they're impressed with you |
| 22:57.04 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: "One" is for generalisations. |
| 22:57.05 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: I've only woken. |
| 22:57.09 | Nwallins | peter__: you are familiar with nmap? |
| 22:57.14 | Phated | Sowwwy. |
| 22:57.28 | LoneWlf | ricky_clarkson : in wolf speak one/you are interchangeable, it all works |
| 22:57.30 | peter__ | no |
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| 22:57.33 | One | One??? It's me :) |
| 22:57.40 | maher | eutopia: what dd command di you run? |
| 22:57.43 | ricky_clarkson | LoneWlf: Woof. |
| 22:57.48 | LoneWlf | so, One |
| 22:57.52 | Nwallins | peter__: read about it. apt-get install it. love it. |
| 22:57.53 | LoneWlf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.00 | ugh | I goofed something up trying to install some fonts... |
| 22:58.00 | One | Yes |
| 22:58.03 | ricky_clarkson | One: /me can |
| 22:58.19 | LoneWlf | ricky_clarkson : grrrrr |
| 22:58.23 | LoneWlf | Wolves don't bark |
| 22:58.25 | LoneWlf | lol |
| 22:58.30 | Nwallins | of beer on the wall |
| 22:58.33 | ricky_clarkson | LoneWlf: They don't lol either. |
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| 22:58.45 | ugh | I use Xorg and I get a Xlib:XFREE86_VidMOdeExtension missing on display 0:0 when I startx |
| 22:58.47 | Phated | Heh, touche. |
| 22:58.56 | LoneWlf | ricky_clarkson : you'd be surprised what we do |
| 22:59.03 | eutopia | maher: i typed "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb" |
| 22:59.05 | ugh | What did I do to mess this up and how do I fix it lol |
| 22:59.31 | LoneWlf | ugh: good question, wish I could help, but I can't |
| 22:59.33 | ricky_clarkson | LoneWlf: In my country, there are no wolves in the wild. |
| 22:59.38 | ugh | hmm |
| 22:59.39 | LoneWlf | ugh: I dun like x-windows |
| 22:59.43 | ugh | lol |
| 22:59.44 | LoneWlf | ricky_clarkson : in the old country... |
| 22:59.45 | LoneWlf | sweet |
| 22:59.48 | ugh | I run XFCE4 |
| 22:59.51 | maher | eutopia: what does fdisk -l /dev/hdb say |
| 22:59.52 | ricky_clarkson | LoneWlf: Do you like X-Window? |
| 22:59.58 | ricky_clarkson | s/-/// |
| 23:00.04 | ricky_clarkson | s#///#//# |
| 23:00.08 | LoneWlf | ricky_clarkson : sometimes, with beef |
| 23:00.24 | maher | eutopia: it should say the same as fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 23:00.44 | ch1p7 | t |
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| 23:01.00 | eutopia | maher: it says: |
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| 23:01.09 | maher | eutopia: dont paste |
| 23:01.13 | eutopia | maher: Disk /dev/hdb: 20.0 GB, 20020396032 bytes |
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| 23:01.23 | eutopia | maher: Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 23:01.25 | LoneWlf | eutopia : do it in msg |
| 23:01.34 | eutopia | LoneWlf: i cant paste 1 line? |
| 23:01.37 | ricky_clarkson | IRC users do it in /msg |
| 23:01.38 | LoneWlf | eutopia : they get finnicky about pasting, it looks like... um... spam botting |
| 23:01.45 | eutopia | LoneWlf: ok |
| 23:01.46 | ugh | You have a name I can query to plaste stuff? |
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| 23:02.00 | poncho | Hello! |
| 23:02.17 | ricky_clarkson | poncho: buenas. |
| 23:02.26 | maher | eutopia: you can paste 1 line |
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| 23:02.28 | poncho | Buenas tardes. |
| 23:02.36 | ricky_clarkson | You calling me a retard? |
| 23:02.39 | maher | eutopia: i was worried you were going to paste a lot |
| 23:03.16 | eutopia | maher: i may be new, but im not dummy :) |
| 23:03.25 | maher | eutopia: well the dd command didn't work for some reason - did you run it as root and was hdb mounted when you ddi this? |
| 23:03.46 | eutopia | maher: yes to both questions |
| 23:03.59 | Daffy-PKF | [ `/sbin/modprobe ip_conntrack` ] || echo "failed" <-- souldn't "failed" being print only if modprobe failed? |
| 23:04.03 | poncho | I have downloaded and installed a library with dpkg -i , but does not work , is needed some special linking ? |
| 23:04.07 | Kerr | anyone know of an alternative to lame? It won't seem to broadcast lower quality mp3's via shoutcast.. |
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| 23:04.13 | eutopia | maher: what does this mean" Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table ? |
| 23:04.19 | ricky_clarkson | poncho: Which library? |
| 23:04.21 | maher | eutopia: well writing to the raw device when its mounted is a bad idea |
| 23:04.28 | maq0r | Greetings fellow Debian users |
| 23:04.32 | poncho | qtssl |
| 23:04.39 | maher | eutopia: unmount hdb and try again |
| 23:04.42 | Kerr | 'lo maq0r O.o |
| 23:04.44 | maq0r | could anyone point me out to some information about how to cap the bandwidth on a Debian server? |
| 23:04.44 | paster | "ricky_clarkston" at 69.13.252.33 pasted "_" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/560 |
| 23:04.45 | eutopia | maher: so how should I do it? |
| 23:04.49 | poncho | sorry . libqssl |
| 23:04.56 | peter__ | exit |
| 23:04.57 | ricky_clarkson | poncho: and - "does not work"? |
| 23:04.59 | eutopia | maher: when I try to unmount hdb, it says its busy |
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| 23:05.16 | paster | "ricky_clarkston" at 69.13.252.33 pasted "I love very large n1gg3r d1cks. http://jews.didwtc.com/ hi lorez and electricelf" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/561 |
| 23:05.16 | maher | eutopia: if you must write to /dev/hdb make sure no hdb or hdN is mounted |
| 23:05.33 | ricky_clarkson | Ok, someone who can't spell is pasting on my behalf, woohoo. |
| 23:05.40 | ugh | ugh |
| 23:05.51 | uml | hi, i'm using the "export PATH=$PATH" command and putting it in the ~/.bashrc file so that my bash script is detected when i open the terminal, is it possible to do this any other way(the script being detected when the terminal opens) ? |
| 23:05.54 | ugh | thanks I'll comtomplate reinstalling |
| 23:05.58 | ugh | pain |
| 23:05.58 | paster | "ricky_clarkson" at 69.13.252.33 pasted "I love very large n1gg3r d1cks. http://jews.didwtc.com/ hi lorez and electricelf helix phated greycat mwilson" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/562 |
| 23:05.58 | maher | eutopia: why not make a file system on hdb and make a disc image by dd-ing to a file |
| 23:06.03 | eutopia | maher: when I typed" "umount /dev/hdb" it says: umount: /dev/hdb: not mounted" |
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| 23:06.09 | maq0r | could anyone point me out to some information about how to cap the bandwidth on a Debian server? Thank you |
| 23:06.19 | ricky_clarkson | !ops please ban 69.13.252.33 from here/paster or whatever. |
| 23:06.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please ban 69.13.252.33 from here/paster or whatever. |
| 23:06.24 | eutopia | maher: can you step me through that as I dont fully understand? |
| 23:06.29 | maher | eutopia: type mount on its own - is hdbN mounted |
| 23:06.43 | paster | "ricky_clarkson" at 69.13.252.33 pasted "I love very large n1gg3r d1cks. http://jews.didwtc.com/ hi Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez," (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/563 |
| 23:06.44 | eutopia | maher: can we do this in pm please? |
| 23:06.51 | paster | "ricky_clarkson" at 69.13.252.33 pasted "I love very large n1gg3r d1cks. http://jews.didwtc.com/ hi Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez," (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/564 |
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| 23:06.57 | paster | "ricky_clarkson" at 69.13.252.33 pasted "I love very large n1gg3r d1cks. http://jews.didwtc.com/ hi Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez," (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/565 |
| 23:06.58 | maher | eutopia: use fdisk to make a single large partition on hdb |
| 23:07.00 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
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| 23:07.09 | ricky_clarkson | Cheers helix. |
| 23:07.34 | uml | hi, i'm using the "export PATH=$PATH" command and putting it in the ~/.bashrc file so that my bash script is detected when i open the terminal, is it possible to do this any other way(the script being detected when the terminal opens) ? thanks for the help |
| 23:07.35 | LoneWlf | I believe the theory is to not do it in msg, because then others won't get the benefit of learning from the conversation |
| 23:07.41 | eutopia | maher: whats the command to do that witrh fdisk? |
| 23:07.45 | ricky_clarkson | helix: How do you request someone to leave, anyway? |
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| 23:07.54 | helix | /remove, I think |
| 23:08.02 | helix | I have dondelelcaro's script though |
| 23:08.05 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, you have it scripted.. |
| 23:08.06 | LoneWlf | uml: what's wrong with .bashrc? |
| 23:08.16 | helix | so I just type /ar nick and it ops me and removes the person |
| 23:08.21 | SimonRaven | yes, /remove. /quote remove regex_of_user :reason |
| 23:08.30 | SimonRaven | oh, forgot channel in there |
| 23:08.48 | eutopia | maher: do I type "fdisk /dev/hdb" ? |
| 23:09.22 | uml | LoneWlf: as a project i need to put this script on about 100 computer and dont want to touch the ~/.bashrc file, caus the bash file is updated once in a while by the admins |
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| 23:09.53 | eutopia | maher: qtparted says its already one partition |
| 23:10.03 | maq0r | could anyone point me out to some information about how to cap the bandwidth on a Debian server? Thank you |
| 23:10.42 | jdjs | hello everyone. |
| 23:10.50 | LoneWlf | uml: interesting |
| 23:11.14 | ricky_clarkson | Wouldn't it be better to ban that person from using paster somehow, helix? |
| 23:11.17 | ricky_clarkson | !paster |
| 23:11.17 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 23:11.18 | maq0r | I want to for example cap eth0 to 20kb/sec |
| 23:11.24 | werw | eutopia: qtparted is no all times right, from my experience |
| 23:11.26 | SimonRaven | sure |
| 23:11.26 | gravity | Ugh... did the paste flooder come back? |
| 23:11.28 | helix | ricky_clarkson: yeah but I don't know how, so I told dondelelcaro about my misdeed |
| 23:11.30 | jdjs | when I try to install something using 'apt-get install <packagename>' it installs the package AND tries to install the same kernel-image that's currently running. |
| 23:11.32 | Gumby | can anyone tell me if there is a way to tell which packages are installed on a system using dpkg ? |
| 23:11.43 | ricky_clarkson | helix: Fantástico. |
| 23:11.48 | SimonRaven | he'll get to it when he can |
| 23:11.55 | ricky_clarkson | Gumby: dpkg -l |
| 23:12.06 | ricky_clarkson | | grep ^ii |
| 23:12.07 | ricky_clarkson | I think. |
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| 23:12.14 | eutopia | wers: how can I tell then if hdb is properly set up as 1 large partition? |
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| 23:12.26 | SimonRaven | yeh, though you'll want to quote that |
| 23:12.35 | SimonRaven | '^.i' |
| 23:12.39 | ricky_clarkson | Yep. |
| 23:12.44 | SimonRaven | . for h, or i, or whatever |
| 23:12.45 | Gumby | ricky_clarkson: thank you |
| 23:12.48 | ricky_clarkson | Illegal substitution or something. |
| 23:12.48 | gpm | hi. how do i view all the text that is displayed on the console AFTER the dmesg stuff? |
| 23:12.53 | jdjs | how can I stop apt-get from trying to install the kernel-image |
| 23:12.53 | ricky_clarkson | ^sex change |
| 23:12.54 | hippie | eutopia: fdisk -l /dev/hdb should do it. |
| 23:12.54 | jdjs | ? |
| 23:12.59 | diensthunds-_ | any package developers (.deb) in here? |
| 23:13.06 | ricky_clarkson | diensthunds-_: #debian-devel |
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| 23:13.11 | uml | hi, i'm using the "export PATH=$PATH" command and putting it in the ~/.bashrc file so that my bash script is detected when i open the terminal, is it possible to do this any other way(the script being detected when the terminal opens) ? thanks for the help |
| 23:13.24 | gravity | diensthunds-_: Just ask your question. If someone can help you, they will |
| 23:13.29 | aarkerio | to add a buddy on Gaim I set "friend@gmail.com" as Screen name or just "friend" ? |
| 23:13.32 | ricky_clarkson | jdjs: apt-get install something -kernel-image-whatever ? |
| 23:13.38 | gpm | uml: put "source ~/.bashrc" in ~/.bash_profile |
| 23:13.44 | gpm | i think |
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| 23:13.57 | diensthunds-_ | well I am getting a subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 durring a build on a package |
| 23:14.06 | gpm | oh |
| 23:14.06 | gpm | doh |
| 23:14.09 | gpm | nevermind |
| 23:14.10 | gpm | misread |
| 23:14.10 | diensthunds-_ | and I know I took out the postin file |
| 23:14.12 | LoneWlf | he doesn't want it to be in .bashrc or .bash_profile as the admin may update those occasionally |
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| 23:14.27 | bsims | I have my dvdburner working in 2.6.12 however k3b shows no info for my buffers any idea why? |
| 23:14.31 | gpm | yeah |
| 23:14.33 | gpm | my bad |
| 23:14.39 | ricky_clarkson | LoneWlf: The admin shouldn't touch .bashrc or .bash_profile afaik. |
| 23:14.41 | jdjs | ricky_clarkson apt-get tries to install the kernel-image in addition to installing another package. |
| 23:14.49 | gravity | diensthunds-_: Could you post your package somewhere? |
| 23:14.49 | SimonRaven | why you would just set PATH using $PATH and not set anything else beats the hell out of me. just useless |
| 23:14.51 | aarkerio | \leave |
| 23:14.52 | ricky_clarkson | LoneWlf: That's what /etc/bash.bashrc etc., are for. |
| 23:14.52 | LoneWlf | uml: is there anyway you could like notify the admin? cause I don't know that there is any other way to do what you're asking |
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| 23:14.59 | LoneWlf | ricky_clarkson : I know |
| 23:15.02 | diensthunds-_ | jdjs that's because the other package has the image as a dependancy |
| 23:15.03 | jdjs | ricky_clarkson (I dont want it to install the kernel-image) |
| 23:15.10 | jdjs | hmm. |
| 23:15.10 | LoneWlf | ricky_clarkson : but apparently this admin does not |
| 23:15.12 | ricky_clarkson | jdjs: Notice the minus sign. |
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| 23:15.24 | kamaraju | bsims, what do you mean by shows no info for buffers? |
| 23:15.28 | LoneWlf | uml : or did you not know that ~/.bashrc and /etc/dotfile/bash.bashrc exist? |
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| 23:15.39 | LoneWlf | uml : I'd have a talk with yr admin and see how they want it done |
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| 23:15.42 | uml | hmmmm i guess there is no other way |
| 23:15.47 | LoneWlf | uml: that'd be best practice anywho |
| 23:16.11 | jdjs | it tells me that it's trying to install the same version of the kernel-image that's currently running |
| 23:16.12 | bsims | kamaraju: I mean it said "no info" in the fifo buffer space or the drive buffer space |
| 23:16.12 | LoneWlf | laters all |
| 23:16.18 | maq0r | Hello, guys, I'm looking for TC the traffic control program but I can't find it |
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| 23:16.23 | maq0r | Anyone knows if it's in apt-cache? |
| 23:16.26 | uml | already, thanks anyways |
| 23:16.32 | SimonRaven | maq0r: you mean iproute? |
| 23:16.45 | diensthunds-_ | maq0r try apt-cache search <program name> |
| 23:16.45 | maq0r | isn't tc the same? |
| 23:16.48 | kamaraju | bsims, What exactly did you do? |
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| 23:17.13 | SimonRaven | maq0r: it's bundled in iproute (other distros have it as iproute2) |
| 23:17.19 | rata | maq0r, yes |
| 23:17.29 | maq0r | I need to limit the bandwidth on a Debian server, I have kernel 2.4 and iptables |
| 23:17.31 | rata | maq0r, yes it is in debian |
| 23:17.33 | bsims | kamaraju: ran it on 2.6.12, in DAO mode |
| 23:17.35 | maq0r | I was reading I could use TC to do this |
| 23:17.41 | maq0r | with cbq |
| 23:17.47 | SimonRaven | maq0r: apt-get install iproute |
| 23:18.01 | kamaraju | bsims, Any reason for DAO mode? |
| 23:18.19 | bsims | just let it pick defaults |
| 23:18.33 | kamaraju | yes |
| 23:18.45 | htedrom | hey does anyone here use amaroK? |
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| 23:18.53 | bsims | kamaraju: er thats what I did <g> |
| 23:19.15 | uml | i have a complicated situation, when i load uml and don't halt it properly there is a lock put on the disk image and later on you wont be able to load uml, is there anyway to remove this lock on the disk image??????? reallly appreciate anyones' help |
| 23:19.17 | Gnea | phones suck. |
| 23:19.17 | kamaraju | bsims, Did not it ask you to run k3bsetup or something? |
| 23:19.19 | astronut | can someone help me with help2man, it won't work right not sure if i'm giving bad options or if it just can't parse it |
| 23:19.22 | SimonRaven | talk about stupid scripts: this is from an MTA's log |
| 23:19.36 | SimonRaven | input="POST / HTTP/1.0\r\nContent-Type: text/plain\r\nContent-Length: 897\r\n\r\nRSET\r\nHELO nuimagedj.com\r\nMAILFROM:<lawso1n98@hotmail.com>\r\nRCPT TO: XXXXX" |
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| 23:19.57 | SimonRaven | i think they're confused as to which protocol they're using... |
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| 23:20.10 | htedrom | amarok? anyone? |
| 23:20.22 | eutopia | wers: have you used dd before? |
| 23:20.38 | SimonRaven | @tell htedrom -about ask |
| 23:20.38 | bsims | kamaraju: nope and it auto changed to the correct names |
| 23:20.54 | eutopia | so when using dd, should the destination drive be unmounted? |
| 23:20.55 | diensthunds-_ | <--- whistles |
| 23:21.23 | SimonRaven | diensthunds-_: /me or /action. does: |
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| 23:21.46 | kamaraju | bsims, ok. And when you are burning dvds, it gave the fifo buffer errors? |
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| 23:21.52 | diensthunds-_ | ah Simon I was just whistling to ma self |
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| 23:22.30 | bsims | it didn't error but it didn't show me the buffer levels it said "no info" |
| 23:22.48 | ricky_clarkson | £££ |
| 23:22.51 | madclicker | is there a way to make am iso out of a DVD ? |
| 23:22.53 | ricky_clarkson | Is it just me, or does the pound sign look a little like a homeless person sat on the floor leaning forwards? |
| 23:23.13 | eutopia | d |
| 23:23.19 | diensthunds-_ | ricky I think it might be just you |
| 23:23.27 | bsims | the buffer status bar said "no info" so I have no idea if it underan... It does support burnfree however |
| 23:23.27 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: you busy? |
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| 23:24.02 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: just ask your question; I'm pretty much always busy |
| 23:24.20 | bsims | madclicker: get dvd::rip |
| 23:24.32 | bsims | I am presuming you are backing up movies |
| 23:24.32 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: when using dd, does the destination HD need to be unmounted? |
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| 23:24.37 | diensthunds-_ | maybe I should have asked for dpkg info on the stupid thing |
| 23:24.54 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: and does the source and destination hard drive need to be using the same filesystem? |
| 23:25.01 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: it's probably a good idea; and no. |
| 23:25.18 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: since you're copying the entire disk, the destination will become an exact copy |
| 23:25.33 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: So it'll overwrite the FS, right? |
| 23:25.33 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: ok! but if I ever want to restore, how can it restore from hdb to hda when hda is running Debian? |
| 23:25.36 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 23:25.57 | Nwallins | anyone want to take a look at a short shell script? i haven't busted out /bin/sh in a while and would appreciate any input http://rafb.net/paste/results/E0eeCW27.html |
| 23:26.06 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: you'll probably boot off of a boot disk to do the dd. |
| 23:26.09 | ricky_clarkson | eutopia: Sounds like a case for cp or rsync rather than dd, as it sounds like you know now what you are doing. |
| 23:26.18 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: how do I create a boot disk? |
| 23:26.18 | ricky_clarkson | s/now/not/ |
| 23:26.35 | eutopia | ricky_clarkson: no! rsync doesnt copy the boot partition and boot sectors |
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| 23:26.52 | eutopia | ricky_clarkson: neither does cp |
| 23:26.55 | ricky_clarkson | eutopia: Excellent. |
| 23:27.12 | dondelelcaro | eutopia: you've got one from whatever you used to install Debian in the first place. |
| 23:27.14 | ricky_clarkson | And cp and rsync don't require you to have EXACTLY the same drive dimensions. |
| 23:27.23 | ricky_clarkson | Afaik, dd does. |
| 23:27.28 | eutopia | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 23:28.01 | eutopia | ricky_clarkson: i use sdd, a newever version of dd, and it doesnt have to have same drive dimensions |
| 23:28.12 | ricky_clarkson | !sd |
| 23:28.14 | ricky_clarkson | !sdd |
| 23:28.19 | ricky_clarkson | !info sdd |
| 23:28.26 | eutopia | ricky_clarkson: type "apt-get install sdd" |
| 23:28.40 | ricky_clarkson | I'll live. |
| 23:28.56 | ricky_clarkson | maq0r: You're auto-annoying. |
| 23:28.59 | newmanbe | maq0r: Don't do that! |
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| 23:29.09 | eutopia | ricky_clarkson: apt-cache show sdd |
| 23:29.16 | ricky_clarkson | eutopia: Yup. |
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| 23:30.08 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 23:30.15 | eutopia | ricky_clarkson: im going to get a knoppix livecd because you can run that and use its Drive Image copy program and restore |
| 23:30.20 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, no dpkg. |
| 23:30.39 | Rassah | Hi. I'm REALLY new to linux. I'm trying to get smtp to work, using postfix. I have a prob in configuration right now where I can only telnet to my post 25 through localhost, and not from ip or my domain name. Does anyone know how to configure that package? |
| 23:31.03 | maq0r | I'm sorry |
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| 23:31.13 | maq0r | I just installed this IRC client |
| 23:31.25 | Rassah | I'm *attempting* to follow instructions on http://documents.made-it.com/Debian_Mail_Server/Debian_Mail_server-2.html |
| 23:31.25 | diensthunds-_ | grrr show's ya how much I use irc nowadays |
| 23:31.26 | nkuttler | maq0r: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 23:31.42 | zinx | Rassah: have you considered your ISP may be filtering port 25? |
| 23:31.58 | eutopia | !n00b |
| 23:32.10 | ricky_clarkson | !seen n00b |
| 23:32.11 | maq0r | lol apparently I'm not the only one |
| 23:32.15 | Rassah | it isn't. Setting up a POP3 and sMTP server is something I can do very easilly in Windows |
| 23:32.23 | maq0r | Anyone knows what's the name of the sch_cbq module in the kernel? |
| 23:32.26 | maq0r | Like the option to select? |
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| 23:32.37 | nkuttler | Rassah: did you change the mynetworks line? |
| 23:32.43 | ricky_clarkson | Rassah: From localhost can you telnet ip 25? |
| 23:32.50 | Rassah | I can't even telnet to my Linux box's ip number from another machine on that port |
| 23:33.03 | Gnea | hrm, the XEN patch for debian doesn't seem to work very well |
| 23:33.09 | Rassah | I'm thinking it's mynetworks. This is what's there: mynetworks = 192.168.0.0/24, 127.0.0.0/8 |
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| 23:33.41 | nkuttler | Rassah: you know what a netmask is? and what network you're trying to connect from? |
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| 23:34.13 | Rassah | my Linux box is on 192.168.0.20 btw... I'm trying to connect from either the web or from a local network |
| 23:34.15 | nkuttler | Rassah: can you access any services on that box from outside? |
| 23:34.19 | Rassah | yes |
| 23:34.25 | Rassah | I'm telnetting into it right now |
| 23:34.32 | nkuttler | Rassah: use ssh |
| 23:34.36 | Rassah | ssh? |
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| 23:34.41 | maq0r | Is there like a list of the names of the Kernel modules and the options in menuconfig? |
| 23:34.49 | maq0r | I need to find out the name of the option to activate for module sch_cbq |
| 23:34.56 | nkuttler | Rassah: apt-get install ssh (or openssh-server, dunno) |
| 23:35.03 | Rassah | what is that? |
| 23:35.13 | ricky_clarkson | a package |
| 23:35.14 | nkuttler | Rassah: secure shell |
| 23:35.21 | nkuttler | Rassah: telnet is insecure |
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| 23:35.34 | steve_ | what is rlogin |
| 23:35.36 | Rassah | Eh, it's only local. The port is blocked on my hardware firewall |
| 23:35.39 | ricky_clarkson | nkuttler: You're dopy. |
| 23:35.53 | maq0r | anyone? |
| 23:36.03 | nkuttler | ricky_clarkson: yeah, you're cute |
| 23:36.07 | ricky_clarkson | nkuttler: Rassah is using telnet to verify his SMTP server, not to log in. ssh is USELESS for this. |
| 23:36.10 | ricky_clarkson | nkuttler: I know. |
| 23:36.40 | Rassah | My main problem is getting a SMTP/POP3 server running. And for some reason SMTP lets me login if I do it from the box itself, using telnet localhost 25, but doesn't work if I use anything BUT localhost... |
| 23:37.04 | ricky_clarkson | Rassah: ping yourself. |
| 23:37.13 | maq0r | Anyone knows which option in the kernel menu lets me activate module sch_cbq ? the location of the module is net/sched/sch_cbq but I can't find the option to activate it as a module in the kernel menuconfig. |
| 23:37.15 | ricky_clarkson | [not using localhost or 127.*) |
| 23:37.17 | Rassah | works |
| 23:37.36 | ricky_clarkson | Rassah: telnet yourself 25, not using localhost or 127.* |
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| 23:37.47 | Rassah | I have apache working there, too, and I can telner into localhost:80, mydomain.com:80, and everything else |
| 23:37.52 | Rassah | telnetting myself doesn't work |
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| 23:38.08 | ricky_clarkson | Rassah: /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny |
| 23:38.13 | maq0r | found it |
| 23:38.15 | skip48m | any ladies wanna chat? 51/m/az |
| 23:38.16 | Rassah | like telnet 192.168.0.20 25 or telnet mydomain.com 25 says connection refused |
| 23:38.42 | ^zaratoustra | lol skip48m |
| 23:38.51 | skip48m | lol? |
| 23:38.52 | ricky_clarkson | skip48m: What's az? |
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| 23:38.59 | skip48m | arizona |
| 23:39.10 | ricky_clarkson | skip48m: Have you got a fat belly? Ladies like those. |
| 23:39.14 | zophyx | az = autoerotic zebra |
| 23:39.18 | skip48m | no |
| 23:39.21 | ricky_clarkson | Shame. |
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| 23:39.29 | ^zaratoustra | xaxa |
| 23:39.33 | Rassah | hosts.allow and hosts.deny are empty. I'm thinking it's something in the postfix config maybe? |
| 23:39.52 | ricky_clarkson | postfix and smtp are not related afaik. |
| 23:40.17 | ricky_clarkson | Isn't postfix for incoming mail? |
| 23:40.22 | Guerin | um |
| 23:40.27 | Guerin | postfix is a smtp server |
| 23:40.27 | ricky_clarkson | ~postfix |
| 23:40.29 | apt | methinks postfix is coded to be secure, but it (and chargen) are running as a user who has no way to elevate privledges, or the one true MTA |
| 23:40.29 | Rassah | yeah |
| 23:40.32 | ricky_clarkson | Oops. |
| 23:40.41 | ^zaratoustra | oploforw ma tsi frourous agnoisei>>>>giati tsi kritis ethimo kaneis den tha to svisei |
| 23:40.53 | ricky_clarkson | ^zaratoustra: Indonesian? |
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| 23:41.06 | ricky_clarkson | !indonesian |
| 23:41.11 | ^zaratoustra | lol ricky_clarkson |
| 23:41.11 | ricky_clarkson | ~indonesian |
| 23:41.14 | ^zaratoustra | greek |
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| 23:41.20 | ricky_clarkson | It's all French to me. |
| 23:41.33 | ^zaratoustra | i know... |
| 23:42.03 | Rassah | Gah, um... I've spent the last 4 days looking for a way to set up just a basic SMTP/POP3 e-mail server that would let me create e-mails for myself and use the server to send/receive them as my main e-mail... Are there ANY walkthroughs out there that work? Cause I haven't had any luck. This latest one got me stuck at blocked SMTP access |
| 23:42.07 | ricky_clarkson | I thought Greek would need UTF-8 or something. |
| 23:42.14 | royal_ | i cant get my ALSA work :S i got support in my kernel 2.6.12.5 but in Multimedia cant chose ALSA only OSS is there |
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| 23:42.22 | ^zaratoustra | theey need |
| 23:42.25 | zophyx | the probability for massive intelligence quota doesn't resolve anywhere near here |
| 23:42.31 | ^zaratoustra | but that was greek-glish |
| 23:42.46 | xTina | I have several .debs that are not part of the distribution, but have dependencies into the distribution. I am searching for a convenient, non-interactive way of installing these packages and their dependencies. |
| 23:42.53 | xTina | Creating an apt source for them is of course a possibility, but it seems that would require creating a complete apt source including signed Release files (which would then have to be recreated and re-signed each time a single package changes). Running apt-get with --allow-unauthenticated is not an option. Any ideas on how to better accomplish this? |
| 23:43.09 | ricky_clarkson | xTina: dpkg -i |
| 23:43.25 | Gnea | zophyx: you truely believe that such a thing exists? |
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| 23:44.05 | Rassah | yeah, basically postfix's SMTP works ONLY through loopback. Any hints? |
| 23:44.10 | zophyx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:44.42 | Agrajag- | gday. in my syslog yesterday i've found "init: Trying to re-exec init" - and a few seconds later, these: "inetd[26383]: getpwnam: root: No such user", "inetd[26420]: getpwnam: mail: No such user" - the machine seems to be behaving fine now though |
| 23:44.43 | xTina | ricky_clarkson: and what about the dependencies? |
| 23:44.47 | ricky_clarkson | Rassah: exim4? |
| 23:44.47 | Agrajag- | is this something i should be worried about? |
| 23:44.55 | ricky_clarkson | xTina: dpkg -i |
| 23:45.00 | Gnea | zophyx: this is a linux distribution channel, certainly you have proven that no intelligence exists within yourself. |
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| 23:45.14 | Rassah | I don't know how to configure that. Haven't found any howtos on the web yet (I only installed Linux for the first time in my life three days ago) |
| 23:45.27 | Gnea | zophyx: s/proven/demonstrated/g |
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| 23:46.04 | xTina | ricky_clarkson: since when does dpkg -i automagically retrieve and install dependencies? |
| 23:46.18 | ricky_clarkson | xTina: It doesn't. Without an apt source, that's your job. |
| 23:46.31 | raldi | What's a good RTF viewer without a lot of other bloat? I tried searching google for "linux rtf viewer" but it wasn't helpful. Thanks |
| 23:46.48 | Gnea | zophyx: stop msging me please. |
| 23:46.50 | xTina | ricky_clarkson: So how does dpkg -i answer my question then?!? I was searching for a non-interactive way that does not involve setting up an apt source. |
| 23:46.51 | Gnea | !troll zophyx |
| 23:47.10 | ricky_clarkson | xTina: If you have the packages already, dpkg -i *.deb |
| 23:47.24 | ricky_clarkson | xTina: If you don't, how the hell do you expect Debian to know where to get them from? |
| 23:47.29 | nkuttler | raldi: apt-cache search rtf |
| 23:47.31 | zophyx | Gnea: so far you have made three statements that are not interesting |
| 23:47.32 | ricky_clarkson | Rassah: I never did anything particularly great with exim, but I installed it by typing apt-get install exim4 and it did some basic configuration after that. I don't know whether it would help you. |
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| 23:48.04 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: Note carefully the absence of dpkg. |
| 23:48.05 | Gnea | zophyx: and you help this network how? |
| 23:48.10 | Thanatermesis | /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2 vfat noauto,users,exec,umask=000 0 0 |
| 23:48.13 | ^zaratoustra | zophyx, u too |
| 23:48.14 | raldi | nkuttler: thanks -- that's a handy command |
| 23:48.17 | Rassah | probably not... I'll also need to make sure people can't relay off of me to bounce spam and stuff, later, too, and I don't know how good Exim4 is for that, config-wise... |
| 23:48.18 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: indeed. |
| 23:48.20 | Thanatermesis | what are "exec" in this fstab line ? |
| 23:48.26 | gravity | zophyx: Stop trolling now. |
| 23:48.27 | ricky_clarkson | Thanatermesis: executable. |
| 23:48.32 | xTina | ricky_clarkson: Well, I was thinking there might be someone already having written a tool to do this. If there are tools like auto-apt that retrieve missing packages just by detecting file accesses and mapping them to the appropriate packages, there might be a tool out there for doing something similar for a simple .deb's dependencies. |
| 23:48.45 | Rassah | Is there any chance the problem could be in some other config file, like /etc/hosts or something? |
| 23:48.47 | Thanatermesis | ricky_clarkson, partition with gives the posibility of execute files ? |
| 23:48.50 | ricky_clarkson | Thanatermesis: It means that all the files in that filesystem will have the +x set. |
| 23:49.03 | raldi | i don't actually see any .RTF viewers in there, but thanks anyway :) |
| 23:49.10 | royal_ | HOW can i tell to my gnome multimedia center or whatever that OSS dont exist in my kernel?? |
| 23:49.14 | Rassah | SMTP basically IS working, it's just refusing connections on anything but localhost |
| 23:49.51 | ricky_clarkson | Rassah: Are there postfix-specific channels/forums/mailing lists? |
| 23:49.52 | dondelelcaro | raldi: wv and unrtf are all viewers, as is abiword and open-office.org |
| 23:49.52 | nkuttler | xTina: create a local repository |
| 23:49.54 | raldi | mp |
| 23:50.29 | Thanatermesis | oh, mmmmh, this is bad for the lines simliar to...: /dev/hda5 /mnt/hda5 ext2 noauto,users,exec 0 0 ricky_clarkson , yes ? |
| 23:50.46 | royal_ | fuck i hate these community in debian :S |
| 23:50.47 | xTina | nkuttler: That local repository would have to be properly signed each time something changes if I don't want to allow everything from a Debian mirror out there to end up on my machines. |
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| 23:51.08 | Rassah | I don't know... I guess I'll check |
| 23:51.33 | ricky_clarkson | Thanatermesis: en general, exec es para los partitións des FAT32 etc., no es para los partitións ext2 y ext3, pero es ok para estas. |
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| 23:52.07 | raldi | dondelelcaro: wv reads .rtf? i couldn't make it read it, and the documentation and dpkg description don't say anything about rtf |
| 23:52.14 | zophyx | i understand how people that actually dare to use a debian distro experience severe system instability and require hand holding from experienced system crackers |
| 23:52.39 | Nwallins | crackers don't hold hands.. crackers hug! |
| 23:52.47 | ricky_clarkson | zophyx: That would be sid. |
| 23:52.52 | raldi | unrtf works |
| 23:53.01 | raldi | i'd prefer a viewer, but it'll do |
| 23:53.03 | raldi | thanks |
| 23:53.13 | fanopnaic | bit of a dumb question: May it have any security implications to mail somebody a copy of /proc/$processid ? |
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| 23:54.21 | dondelelcaro | fanopnaic: yes |
| 23:54.31 | Gnea | zophyx: what's your point? |
| 23:55.15 | Gnea | royal_: hating will get you nowhere good, fast. |
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| 23:55.42 | royal_ | ah |
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| 23:55.49 | ricky_clarkson | Thanatermesis: I'm confused, it might be the language.. |
| 23:56.14 | ricky_clarkson | Thanatermesis: You say that elive makes the ext2 and ext3 partitions exec by default, right? |
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| 23:56.37 | ricky_clarkson | ~beer dondelelcaro |
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| 23:56.50 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: heh. gravity should really get one, since he mentioned it... I just beat him to the punch |
| 23:57.05 | Aonix | how come kdelibs wants to uninstall so many package if I upgrade it^ |
| 23:57.06 | Aonix | ? |
| 23:57.19 | gravity | Heh, I'm just too slow |
| 23:58.12 | ricky_clarkson | Thanatermesis: Exec is bad for Unix partitions, I think. Someone else might contradict me. |
| 23:58.16 | rutski89 | What is a good linux app for making a quicktime video? |
| 23:58.19 | xerophyte | why there is no chkrookit 45 in the 3.1r |
| 23:58.22 | ricky_clarkson | C'mon, someone else, contradict me. |
| 23:59.11 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: heh |
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| 23:59.34 | foo | I have a sit0 device .. I want to get rid of it, should I just remove it from /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:59.51 | dvs | foo: That would stop it at startup. |
| 23:59.56 | nkuttler | rutski89: maybe mplayer can encode to qt |
