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| 00:00.03 | sts | hello folks |
| 00:00.03 | KingsRobot | Okay - I've looked through man interfaces, and the closest I can find it to add ' up route add default eth0' to my eth0 config. As soon as eth1 starts up, it takes over the default route, which defauts the object... I don't want to add ' up route add default eth0' to the eth1 config, because then if eth0 is down, it will break. |
| 00:00.11 | dondelelcaro | black_13: if I ignore you, in #debian, it's global. |
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| 00:00.23 | sts | what can i use instead of mplayer for playing movies/ripping streams |
| 00:00.23 | black_13 | why is that? |
| 00:00.30 | nunez | maher: I want to get k3b installed so I can burn DVD IMG files |
| 00:00.31 | C | what command shoud i use in unix to open .out files |
| 00:00.40 | greycat | C: most likely "less" or "cat" |
| 00:00.57 | rking | C: a.out, in particular? if so, just do this: ./a.out |
| 00:00.58 | C | greycat ty |
| 00:01.15 | greycat | rking: hmm, good guess... |
| 00:01.16 | antgel | swim: you can, but before you go jumping into the fire, have a go at booting with no apic and/or acpi. just alter the boot options at the grub boot screen. how long does it take to hang? |
| 00:01.17 | C | ty rking |
| 00:01.30 | rking | C: a.out is the default name because you didn't give gcc a "-o somethingmeaningful", e.g.: gcc -o run foo.c |
| 00:01.34 | maher | nunez: you probably want to be running stable |
| 00:01.36 | dondelelcaro | black_13: because that means that you're no longer on topic for #debian, you're not following the channel guidelines, or you're being rude to volunteers here. |
| 00:01.46 | nunez | maher: Why is that? |
| 00:01.50 | swim | antgel_: not sure, seconds 1 to 4 |
| 00:01.51 | C | rking ty =D why do i have to use . before / |
| 00:01.52 | greycat | rking: now we get to guess what exploit code he just compiled |
| 00:01.58 | antgel | KingsRobot: you did the right thing with up add. what routes do you want? |
| 00:02.04 | maher | nunez: because k3b is not broken in stable atm |
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| 00:02.08 | rking | greycat: not at this time of year. this is frosh season. |
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| 00:02.13 | antgel | swim: after you login from the dm? |
| 00:02.19 | jono | hi, in debian stable, can I parallel install apache 1 and apache 2? |
| 00:02.24 | dondelelcaro | or hell, just run make foo.c; |
| 00:02.28 | dondelelcaro | jono: yes. |
| 00:02.29 | nunez | maher: That means to run stable, I have to change everything else alos? |
| 00:02.30 | swim | antgel_: from the time gdm starts up |
| 00:02.32 | greycat | C: because . (the current directory) is not in your $PATH by default, for security reasons |
| 00:02.34 | KingsRobot | antgel - I just want eth0 to be my default route... For some reason, eth1 is taking it over as soon as it starts. |
| 00:02.39 | hyperstream | rking, aparently i need a lvalues patch :P |
| 00:02.41 | antgel | i think he compiled a spambot |
| 00:02.47 | jono | dondelelcaro, are there any gotchas in doing it other than just changing the port number for apache 2? |
| 00:02.51 | C | greycat ok |
| 00:02.52 | rking | C: well, the basic idea is that if you could run things in the current directory, what would happen if some cheeky fellow put a program named "ls" in their home directory, which removed all your files? |
| 00:02.56 | antgel | swim: aha, so you don't even get to login? |
| 00:03.03 | rking | hyperstream: lvalues patch? |
| 00:03.07 | greycat | rking: or the infamous "sl in /tmp" |
| 00:03.11 | dondelelcaro | jono: not really; you can even have the port numbers the same so long as they're bound to specific IPs. |
| 00:03.14 | maher | KingsRobot: why not put stanzas for eth0 and eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces and use ifplugd to monitor which are actually up? |
| 00:03.14 | swim | antgel_: not usually, but i have once or twice |
| 00:03.27 | jono | dondelelcaro, so are the config directories different? |
| 00:03.29 | antgel | swim: but then it crashes before the desktop appears |
| 00:03.30 | dondelelcaro | jono: yes |
| 00:03.39 | rking | greycat: not a problem for me, who always does apt-get install sl |
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| 00:03.46 | hyperstream | yes |
| 00:03.48 | KingsRobot | maher: stanzas? |
| 00:03.49 | swim | antgel_: not crash, but freeze |
| 00:04.02 | hyperstream | ArmEagle or get a patch that fixes the lvalues |
| 00:04.02 | hyperstream | ArmEagle after that i got a preloader.c:1024 and 1025 error though |
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| 00:04.09 | jono | dondelelcaro, where are the apache2 configs? /etc/apache2 ? |
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| 00:04.16 | dondelelcaro | jono: yes |
| 00:04.23 | hyperstream | he said either use gcc 3.2 or get the patch |
| 00:04.27 | reuq | is there a flash (swf) file decomposer or extrator to get music files, static images and the such out of them? |
| 00:04.29 | KingsRobot | maher: I want eth0 to always be default route, unless it is down. If eth0 and eth1 are up, and eth1 is default, that is no good. |
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| 00:04.39 | maher | KingsRobot: things like: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 00:04.39 | hyperstream | doing a apt-cache search gcc there was 2.4 or 3.3 no 3.2 :/ |
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| 00:04.43 | dabaR | hi, does root normally run the xserver? |
| 00:04.48 | dondelelcaro | dabaR: yes. |
| 00:04.49 | antgel | swim: hmm. could be hardware. what wm you using? |
| 00:04.52 | dabaR | thank you/ |
| 00:04.53 | KingsRobot | maher: Yes, I have that... |
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| 00:05.09 | greycat | oh... kay.... |
| 00:05.14 | maher | KingsRobot: remove the autos and let ifplugd monitor which ones are up |
| 00:05.16 | antgel | swim: tell me more about the linux you had before. kernel and wm versions etc |
| 00:05.24 | jono | dondelelcaro, thanks :) |
| 00:05.29 | swim | antgel_: gnome... but with the hardware, ive run gnome on 2.6 kernels before on this machine (just yesterday) with no issues |
| 00:05.29 | hyperstream | is there anyway i can find out what cc is using before i export a new varible for it ? |
| 00:05.31 | rking | greycat: it's to punish the typo. see the manpage for additional options |
| 00:05.37 | greycat | rking: yeah, I did all that |
| 00:05.42 | dondelelcaro | !+info gcc-3.2 |
| 00:05.43 | dpkg | Package 'gcc-3.2' does not exist. |
| 00:05.46 | antgel | swim: same gnome version? |
| 00:05.51 | KingsRobot | maher: Isn't ifplugd a bit hackish? This is to be a production server... |
| 00:05.53 | greycat | !info gcc-3.2 sarge |
| 00:05.56 | greycat | !info gcc-3.2 woody |
| 00:06.02 | swim | antgel_: I ran freebsd 5.4, I ran archlinux, and slackware 10.1 |
| 00:06.04 | greycat | hmm. |
| 00:06.22 | maher | KingsRobot: i dunno - do something else then... |
| 00:06.26 | dondelelcaro | greycat: yeah, I think it's one of those compilers that disappeared... I've got it installed here |
| 00:06.38 | dondelelcaro | ii gcc-3.2 3.2.3-9 The GNU C compiler |
| 00:07.13 | antgel | swim: if it crashes that quickly, you can try it. boot with noapic nolapic (i assume you only have one processor). and i _think_ acpi=off but you might want to google to check. |
| 00:07.15 | greycat | wasn't 3.2 the one where they said "we've changed the C++ ABI again but //this time// it's final!!!!"? |
| 00:07.19 | black_13 | lets spawn another channel debian newbies |
| 00:07.27 | dondelelcaro | greycat: could be. |
| 00:07.31 | KingsRobot | maher: In RedHat, there is a config GATEWAYDEV in /etc/sysconfig/network. Is there no equivalent in debian? |
| 00:07.33 | antgel | black_13: spawn whatever you want |
| 00:07.38 | dondelelcaro | black_13: go right ahead |
| 00:07.42 | greycat | black_13: that's called #debian_ |
| 00:07.47 | greycat | black_13: it's already been done. have fun there. |
| 00:08.04 | swim | ok thx antgel_ Ill give it a go |
| 00:08.04 | maher | KingsRobot: i dunno |
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| 00:08.24 | KingsRobot | maher: Okay - thanks for the input. |
| 00:08.31 | rking | until the C++ "export" stuff is supported, there will almost definitely be another change, i'd think. |
| 00:08.37 | asuffield | greycat: they found a bug in the ABI :P |
| 00:08.42 | antgel | KingsRobot: if you have a RH machine, you could grep around and see where GATEWAYDEV is used |
| 00:08.55 | asuffield | rking: that probably doesn't require an ABI change |
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| 00:09.26 | black_13 | i can feel the love |
| 00:09.53 | jono | how do I configure apache2 to listen on a different port? |
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| 00:10.02 | greycat | jono: edit the .conf file |
| 00:10.06 | rking | asuffield: oh, hrmm... i suppose an "export"'d template would just boil down to instructions to the compiler on how to produce the instantiated template... so yeah... i don't know, it's a head trip |
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| 00:10.29 | greycat | wow, dondelelcaro's really on edge this weekend |
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| 00:10.57 | dondelelcaro | greycat: nah, I'm just not into the angst/flamewar thing |
| 00:11.05 | asuffield | rking: yeah, should be all compile-time stuff |
| 00:11.07 | Debird | jono: modify /etc/apache2/sites-available/websitename - mod line VirtualHost to include on the end the ip address:port |
| 00:11.08 | antgel | i just ignored him |
| 00:11.27 | antgel | irssi help says /ignore *!user@*.host.org - why the *! at the start? |
| 00:11.34 | dondelelcaro | antgel: that's the nick |
| 00:11.37 | Debird | oops ip address colon port |
| 00:11.47 | asuffield | the g++ 4.0 thing was because non-trival covariant returns didn't work at all, so they had to change the calling conventions again, or something like that |
| 00:11.49 | dondelelcaro | antgel: you could also just /ignore -channel #debian -replies foonick |
| 00:11.50 | antgel | just out of interest, he was on #ubuntu as well |
| 00:11.53 | greycat | antgel: I just use "/ignore -time 864000 nick" |
| 00:12.16 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever is appropriate) |
| 00:12.18 | antgel | dondelelcaro: if the *! is the nick, what's 'user'? |
| 00:12.22 | dondelelcaro | antgel: the username |
| 00:12.27 | antgel | aha |
| 00:12.41 | dondelelcaro | antgel: you're antgel!n=antony@82-69-161-254.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk; FE. |
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| 00:12.56 | antgel | ooh look, it's me! |
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| 00:13.23 | Blue_ | how do i use a usb key with debian? |
| 00:13.40 | antgel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.42 | Debird | jono: or if you are not doing virtual hosting, then just add a line to the apache2.conf file that says Listen IP address (colon) port |
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| 00:13.52 | dondelelcaro | antgel: yes, he's been +q'ed. /msg dpkg fn modes |
| 00:14.17 | Fanno | is there a "buildin" *.iso file extractor / mounter in debian or would i have to go look for one ? |
| 00:14.28 | dondelelcaro | Fanno: if it's a real .iso, just mount it using loopback |
| 00:14.36 | dondelelcaro | Fanno: ala mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt/bar |
| 00:14.49 | Fanno | thankyou =) |
| 00:14.58 | antgel | i've never been into the irc nitty gritty but freenode seems to take it to the next level |
| 00:14.59 | Fanno | i think it is a real iso but unsure |
| 00:15.21 | dondelelcaro | Fanno: well, if it is, that should work. If it's not, you may need to unbin or uncue it. |
| 00:15.22 | Blue_ | or is there any kind of tutorial anywhere? |
| 00:15.42 | dondelelcaro | Blue_: load usbms support, load scsi hd support, stick it in, and mount it. |
| 00:15.50 | scarynetworkguy | Blue_: Ask google. There are a few thousand examples. |
| 00:16.01 | dondelelcaro | Blue_: use modconf; to do the first two, the latter is done using mount. |
| 00:16.11 | Blue_ | thanks |
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| 00:16.47 | antgel | dondelelcaro: aha. why +q over +b? does he know he's been +q'd. i.e. does he actually get kicked? |
| 00:17.33 | jdhutchin1 | antgel, yes, you know if you've been quieted (you get a message every time you try to send to the channel iirc) |
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| 00:17.52 | dondelelcaro | antgel: it's sort of a lesser form of a ban; the primary purpose is to stop people who are being disruptive on the channel, but still allow them to see what is being said |
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| 00:18.10 | nvz | antgel: +q just means their voice is taken away and only ops can see what they say |
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| 00:24.18 | Fanno | dondelelcaro: when i am done copying out how to i unmount again |
| 00:24.24 | greycat | umount |
| 00:24.33 | greycat | don't ask why it's spelled that way. it just is. |
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| 00:24.51 | Fanno | ahh thanks |
| 00:24.54 | Fanno | i wont then |
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| 00:25.13 | Fanno | would be umount /mnt/baa ? |
| 00:26.23 | lakcaj | Fanno, make sure you aren't in some directory of /mnt/baa |
| 00:26.28 | lakcaj | else you can't umount it |
| 00:26.38 | lakcaj | cd && umount /mnt/baa |
| 00:26.56 | Fanno | ahh mabey thats why =P <--- noooob |
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| 00:30.54 | Rugmonster | evening all. I'm having a problem with locales and it is stopping my system from upgrading. It's the whole "setting locales failed" thing. Anyone know how to get around this? I tried dpkg-reconfigure locales and it gives me the same error |
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| 00:31.12 | harleyg | make --me-pie && bequick |
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| 00:31.27 | TwistedEmotions | For mplayer.conf anyone have any idea what I am suppose to use for vo= ? x11 doesnt work... -vo help gives me fbdev fbdev2 vesa cvidix null mpegpes yuv4mpeg png tga pnm md5sum... |
| 00:31.40 | TwistedEmotions | fbdev? |
| 00:31.54 | harleyg | make --me-pie && bequick!!!!!! |
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| 00:32.49 | lakcaj | TwistedEmotions, xv |
| 00:33.01 | lakcaj | vo=xv ao=alsa |
| 00:33.29 | TwistedEmotions | Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device. |
| 00:34.22 | lakcaj | TwistedEmotions, do you get "xv" when you "mplayer -vo help | grep xv"? |
| 00:34.22 | JayRC | I want to be able to use activex controls with mozilla, but from what I'm reading it seems the only way to do this it to compile mozilla from source. Is there another way? |
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| 00:35.01 | TwistedEmotions | lakcaj: no.. I listed the only ones it shows me.. |
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| 00:35.14 | TwistedEmotions | fbdev fbdev2 vesa cvidix null mpegpes yuv4mpeg png tga pnm md5sum |
| 00:35.14 | lakcaj | TwistedEmotions, where did you get this mplayer, marillat? |
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| 00:35.21 | TwistedEmotions | marillat |
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| 00:35.26 | lakcaj | I thought the ... meant you had more :) |
| 00:35.32 | TwistedEmotions | ohh |
| 00:35.33 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
| 00:35.48 | TwistedEmotions | yeah experimental package.. |
| 00:35.53 | lakcaj | oh |
| 00:35.56 | TwistedEmotions | should I change to stable or something? |
| 00:36.03 | TwistedEmotions | let me try that |
| 00:36.04 | lakcaj | stable is working perfectly fine for me |
| 00:36.05 | bitshifty | hello! |
| 00:36.14 | lakcaj | bitshifty, hello! how are you! |
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| 00:37.38 | Fanno | thak you very much for your help =) |
| 00:37.42 | antgel | TwistedEmotions: you should use the marillat sources.list line that matches your distribution |
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| 00:38.04 | TwistedEmotions | antgel: unstable... |
| 00:38.16 | antgel | !tell TwistedEmotions about unstable |
| 00:38.19 | Fanno | is there a good debian/linux site with the most common commands ect |
| 00:38.26 | TwistedEmotions | antgel: I know about unstable.. thanks |
| 00:38.31 | antgel | Fanno: common commands for what? |
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| 00:39.30 | Fanno | was just thinking general command "often used ones" stuff like mount |
| 00:40.11 | antgel | Fanno: get a good linux book. i assume you have read the debian reference? |
| 00:40.42 | bitshifty | how do i format a disk and prepare it so i can copy data to it? |
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| 00:40.55 | antgel | bitshifty: what sort of disk? vague = bad. |
| 00:41.12 | bitshifty | antgel: i apologize, i meant a floppy disk. |
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| 00:41.16 | python_1979 | ping #ubuntu |
| 00:41.40 | antgel | bitshifty: did a google search on linux format floppy disk not help? |
| 00:42.04 | bitshifty | antgel: didn't try. |
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| 00:42.25 | antgel | bitshifty: why the fuck not? |
| 00:42.35 | stew | bitshifty: man mkdosfs |
| 00:42.35 | lakcaj | brb |
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| 00:43.01 | meneg | is there an aptitude X ui? |
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| 00:43.17 | stew | meneg: there is xterm -e aptitude ; or synaptic |
| 00:43.21 | SimonRaven | synaptic is similar |
| 00:43.22 | atom_z | greycat, you were right about the interference thing, its there in winxp too. Thanks for teling me about cdparanoia, the DAE playback quality is not very good in ksCD, so i ripped the cd, and now playback quality is excellent. Thanks |
| 00:43.31 | greycat | :) |
| 00:43.32 | meneg | xterm -e aptitude? hahah |
| 00:43.36 | greycat | !for x |
| 00:43.36 | dpkg | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
| 00:43.39 | Debird | for 2 nics, should i just be able to mod interfaces file, reboot and go? |
| 00:43.48 | greycat | Debird: if you modify it properly |
| 00:43.54 | stew | Debird: don't reboot, just /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:44.02 | greycat | rebooting is a good test though |
| 00:44.03 | atom_z | greycat, also DAE slows things abit and makes some parts of kde quite unstable |
| 00:44.18 | Debird | its not in production |
| 00:44.21 | meneg | aptitude looks fitted for some gtk2 |
| 00:44.21 | Debird | i can reboot |
| 00:44.33 | antgel | atom_z: what hardware you got? |
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| 00:44.48 | antgel | atom_z: some parts of kde are unstable - so what's new? :) |
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| 00:44.56 | djperegrine | I have apache setup on a computer with dynamic DNS how can I set it up so when I type in like http://mythbox it goes to whatever IP it is at now? |
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| 00:45.06 | antgel | Debird: no need, what stew said |
| 00:45.12 | greycat | djperegrine: sign up with a dynamic DNS service |
| 00:45.24 | tarzeau | djperegrine: www.mine.nu is fantastic |
| 00:45.27 | djperegrine | I meant just for my local server |
| 00:45.30 | djperegrine | like local net |
| 00:45.35 | greycat | hosts(5) then |
| 00:45.40 | Debird | i'm having some intermittent connectivity issues after having done what I thought was right. remote browsers get lots of connection refused and then sometimes works great.... wtf? |
| 00:45.43 | tarzeau | djperegrine: be part of INTERNET, local net sucks |
| 00:45.49 | greycat | but WHY do you use dynamic addresses for servers on your LAN? |
| 00:45.51 | meneg | any way to list whatever debs i installed that were marked unstable? |
| 00:45.56 | tarzeau | greycat: it's weekend |
| 00:45.59 | djperegrine | tarzeau , I have a router |
| 00:46.00 | djperegrine | I can't |
| 00:46.04 | tarzeau | djperegrine: remove the router |
| 00:46.05 | greycat | djperegrine: wrong. |
| 00:46.07 | tarzeau | djperegrine: you can |
| 00:46.15 | djperegrine | I can't open ports on it |
| 00:46.18 | greycat | ignore the router |
| 00:46.22 | greycat | add another IP |
| 00:46.24 | tarzeau | djperegrine: you can set fix ip addresses |
| 00:46.25 | greycat | add another NETWORK |
| 00:46.33 | djperegrine | what? |
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| 00:46.45 | tarzeau | djperegrine: you can hit the router with a large hammer? |
| 00:46.49 | heatxsink | anyone in here have a D810 running debian? |
| 00:46.52 | greycat | "open ports" as in "forward a port"? What's that got to do with your "local network"? NOTHING!!! |
| 00:46.53 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: bullshit |
| 00:47.05 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: we're all not, at werk, http://bb.phys.ethz.ch/ |
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| 00:47.09 | djperegrine | greycat, yes it does |
| 00:47.17 | greycat | djperegrine: then your question is incorrectly stated. |
| 00:47.27 | atom_z | antgel, ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe motherboard (which the sound is on) (its an nForce 4 mobo btw too). Geforce 6600 Graphics card. AMD64 3700+ processor |
| 00:47.27 | greycat | 20:45 djperegrine> I meant just for my local server |
| 00:47.29 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: and i wouldn't be from home either, if my isp would give me enough ip addresses |
| 00:47.30 | djperegrine | well not with my local network, but someone said open my box to the internet |
| 00:47.44 | greycat | djperegrine: pick a question. but be sure it's the one you want answered. |
| 00:47.45 | djperegrine | and that has to do with forwarding ports |
| 00:47.53 | Blue_ | Can someone help me, i followed a tutorial for using my usbkey but i get 'could not open file for writing: input/output error' when using nano try to make a test file |
| 00:47.56 | greycat | djperegrine: start all over. Start with "I want to do _____" |
| 00:48.01 | djperegrine | My question was, I have apache setup on a computer with dynamic DNS how can I set it up so when I type in like http://mythbox it goes to whatever IP it is at now? |
| 00:48.11 | tarzeau | djperegrine: www.mine.nu |
| 00:48.12 | djperegrine | in my local network |
| 00:48.14 | greycat | djperegrine: that's what the dynamic DNS does. |
| 00:48.24 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: Really? What magical device is it then that routes you from 80.219.64.218 to 82.96.64.4? :P |
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| 00:48.28 | antgel | atom_z: fucking hell is that the speed that cpus go at these days? |
| 00:48.36 | meneg | id certainly like aptitude in a gtk version. if only i knew how to do that.. |
| 00:48.43 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: depends on the network mask |
| 00:48.43 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: router != NAT box. |
| 00:48.46 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: I KNOW |
| 00:48.54 | greycat | antgel: 3700+ is AMD's marketing which means "it's equivalent to a 3700 MHz pentium IV" |
| 00:49.00 | atom_z | antgel, its 2.2GHz actually |
| 00:49.02 | greycat | antgel: it'll really run at like 2.8 GHz or so |
| 00:49.07 | atom_z | antgel, yeah, what greycat said |
| 00:49.11 | djperegrine | greycat, I can't sign up for that service as IP 192.168.1.105 :> |
| 00:49.18 | greycat | djperegrine: *plonk* |
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| 00:49.42 | atom_z | AMD decided to stop increasing clock speed, because it makes things hot, and so stops being worth doing, etc |
| 00:49.43 | greycat | someone else can try to decipher his gibberish |
| 00:49.47 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: Then you know that my comment was a bitch about this trend of using router to mean NAT box/Firewall. |
| 00:49.54 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: And that I was right. |
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| 00:50.01 | Blue_ | anyone? |
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| 00:50.15 | antgel | atom_z: i suggest that if dae makes your system unstable, something odd is happening. i have known people complain about some motherboards and audio before. i've known some really shit boxes do dae with no problems |
| 00:50.19 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: was it not obvious this guy djperegrine is doing NAT on his router? |
| 00:50.22 | djperegrine | I think what I am looking for is virtual hosts |
| 00:50.28 | tarzeau | djperegrine: NO |
| 00:50.31 | tarzeau | djperegrine: that's wrong |
| 00:50.41 | greycat | tarzeau: he also says he has dynamic DNS set up already, then says he can't sign up with the service |
| 00:50.44 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: Miss the point, much? |
| 00:50.47 | atom_z | antgel, well... it makes it slow, it was only with XMMS that it was actually unstable |
| 00:50.50 | djperegrine | I just want instead of typing 192.168.1.105 type in mythbox |
| 00:50.52 | tarzeau | greycat: i think he means dynamic ip (dhcp) |
| 00:50.57 | greycat | tarzeau: he's clearly not playing with a full deck |
| 00:51.01 | atom_z | antgel, and there are some audio quality problems |
| 00:51.02 | tarzeau | djperegrine: yes you want to GO TO THE FUCKING WWW.MINE.NU |
| 00:51.04 | antgel | atom_z: you don't understand commerce. amd decided to stop increasing clock speed because they figured it would make them more money |
| 00:51.08 | meneg | mm, synaptic is not bad at all |
| 00:51.11 | tarzeau | greycat: he's a moron, of regular weekends |
| 00:51.12 | djperegrine | darg did I say DNS? |
| 00:51.12 | antgel | atom_z: either way, it's _not normal_ |
| 00:51.18 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: yes |
| 00:51.19 | djperegrine | dammit I meant dhcp |
| 00:51.20 | djperegrine | sorry |
| 00:51.27 | atom_z | antgel, maybe I should buy a sound card |
| 00:51.28 | atom_z | hmm |
| 00:51.58 | antgel | atom_z: maybe you should see if others are having the same problem with your motherboard. also turn off apic and local apic shite |
| 00:52.14 | meneg | is non-us merged in non-free in sarge too or only on unstable? |
| 00:52.19 | tarzeau | !non-us |
| 00:52.20 | greycat | meneg: it's gone in sarge |
| 00:52.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 00:52.27 | meneg | greycat: thx |
| 00:52.32 | atom_z | antgel, yeah |
| 00:52.43 | greycat | !tell me about non-us |
| 00:52.44 | antgel | !apic |
| 00:52.44 | dpkg | methinks apic is Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller, a new PIC, and about time too... |
| 00:52.52 | greycat | the rest of the factoid is "see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html" |
| 00:52.56 | Blue_ | whats etch? |
| 00:52.59 | tarzeau | !etch |
| 00:52.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 00:53.07 | Blue_ | hmm, cool |
| 00:53.09 | atom_z | antgel, I take it you turn that off in the bios? |
| 00:53.31 | greycat | atom_z: kernel parameters, I think |
| 00:53.37 | tarzeau | anyone with 2+ sparc computers that wants to mass install them? |
| 00:53.40 | antgel | dpkg, apic is also Can be disabled on boot by adding noapic (and nolapic for local apic) to your boot parameters. |
| 00:53.40 | dpkg | okay, antgel |
| 00:53.46 | antgel | !apic |
| 00:53.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, apic is Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller, a new PIC, and about time too... Can be disabled on boot by adding noapic (and nolapic for local apic) to your boot parameters. |
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| 00:54.13 | atom_z | antgel, greycat: ok, thanks |
| 00:54.23 | greycat | hell, I still don't know the difference between expanded memory and extended memory! |
| 00:54.39 | bjason | have any of you tried installing more specific drivers for a logitech mx510? |
| 00:54.42 | antgel | i don't know who said that, but apic controls hardware interrupts and acpi manages power |
| 00:54.51 | antgel | !tell bjason about poll |
| 00:54.55 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend. |
| 00:55.07 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: I wuv my computer. |
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| 00:55.11 | antgel | greycat: get with the new millenium |
| 00:55.14 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Indeed. |
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| 00:55.37 | tarzeau | greycat: i've had some good experiences with the linux kernel parameter "noapic" (nic suddenly works) |
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| 00:55.40 | hyperstream | dammit. anyone got a .deb for gcc 3.2 i can only find 3.3 |
| 00:55.44 | meneg | bah.. synaptic so owns, why didnt i know about it before |
| 00:55.49 | greycat | hyperstream: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 00:56.04 | antgel | tarzeau: lot of buggy motherboards out there. becoming like mobile phones |
| 00:56.19 | tarzeau | antgel: only x86 crap, right? |
| 00:56.24 | antgel | meneg: because you were busy using efficient text-based tools :) |
| 00:56.25 | Twisted2 | greycat: when I dont have a mplayer -vo xv option... what does that mean? am I missing a package? |
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| 00:56.43 | tarzeau | Twisted2: dpkg-reconfigure mplayer ? |
| 00:56.48 | tarzeau | hyperstream: but why? |
| 00:56.54 | antgel | tarzeau: don't know. my knowledge of other computer architecture can be written on my cock. |
| 00:57.07 | RvGaTe | ^lol |
| 00:57.23 | tarzeau | antgel: mine too (got a large one ;) |
| 00:57.29 | antgel | although i used to write code for the i960f |
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| 00:57.37 | greycat | dpkg, ask =~ s/ask a question, or if people use something/ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!)/ |
| 00:57.37 | dpkg | greycat: that doesn't contain 'ask a question, or if people use something' |
| 00:57.40 | bjason | thanks antgel, but i know the rules..the only reason i asked it like that was because i'm looking for someone who has specific experience with my mouse... |
| 00:57.43 | meneg | antgel: hahah |
| 00:57.58 | greycat | dpkg, ask =~ s/ask a question, or ask if people use something/ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!)/ |
| 00:57.58 | dpkg | that's too long, greycat |
| 00:58.01 | greycat | damn! |
| 00:58.16 | antgel | bjason: then you've missed the point. if you ask and someone knows, they;ll respond |
| 00:58.21 | greycat | dpkg, ask =~ s/to give you an answer/to help you/ |
| 00:58.21 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 00:58.42 | Twisted2 | tarzeau: no deal. |
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| 00:58.47 | Twisted2 | same shit. |
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| 00:59.08 | Twisted2 | is it becuase of xorg? |
| 00:59.19 | tarzeau | Twisted2: maybe, ah -vo xv don't work, others do? |
| 00:59.20 | bjason | does someone know of good drivers for a logitech mx510 mouse. I'm trying to get all the buttons to work |
| 00:59.45 | greycat | !ask |
| 00:59.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 01:00.13 | antgel | bjason: ffs, have you googled xorg mx510? no, didn't think so. |
| 01:00.16 | tarzeau | bjason: how many buttons are there? |
| 01:00.30 | bjason | technically 10 |
| 01:00.34 | hyperstream | tarzeau, its required to compile cvscedega |
| 01:00.35 | bjason | that includes the mouse wheel |
| 01:00.42 | greycat | Twisted2: what error did you get? |
| 01:00.44 | hyperstream | since all other version of gcc has some bug |
| 01:00.50 | tarzeau | hyperstream: haha. guess you're out of luck. tried using wine? |
| 01:00.52 | Twisted2 | tarzeau: fbdev TRIES to work but shows something fuckered up... x11 & xv arent even output options under -vo help |
| 01:00.59 | tarzeau | hyperstream: i don't think so |
| 01:01.09 | Twisted2 | greycat: Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device. |
| 01:01.10 | greycat | Twisted2: uh. you can't use xv if you're NOT ON X. |
| 01:01.22 | tarzeau | Twisted2: you didn't build the package yourself, did you? sdl is not available either? |
| 01:01.24 | Twisted2 | greycat: xorg? |
| 01:01.34 | greycat | Twisted2: oh, fbdev doesn't mean "a frame buffer console"? |
| 01:01.37 | Blue_ | anyone ever installed a usb key? |
| 01:01.39 | Twisted2 | tarzeau: using testing package... marrialat or whatever |
| 01:01.46 | tarzeau | Twisted2: OUF |
| 01:01.48 | antgel | !tell Blue_ about ask |
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| 01:01.57 | Twisted2 | greycat: it does... but it doesnt work correctly.. |
| 01:01.57 | tarzeau | !KILL Twisted2 PAINFULLY |
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| 01:02.04 | antgel | Twisted2: you're using debian unstable, right? |
| 01:02.08 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 01:02.08 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 01:02.15 | tarzeau | Twisted2: read that. and suffer |
| 01:02.15 | Twisted2 | antgel: yes |
| 01:02.17 | Blue_ | !tell antgel about already did but no one responded... |
| 01:02.18 | bjason | antgel: haha, wow...i've been all over the net and i didn't even think of using that search string |
| 01:02.23 | greycat | s/no/on |
| 01:02.37 | antgel | Twisted2: then why the fuck are you using marillat for testing? |
| 01:02.37 | greycat | he says xorg, then fb, then x, then fb |
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| 01:02.47 | KingsRobot | antgel: I fixed the network routing problem - whenever /etc/network/interfaces contains a static configuration, the debian ifup automatically creates a default route. Since eth1 was coming up first, and both default routes had the same metric, the route for eth1 took priority. |
| 01:02.51 | mrgenixus | can I create a java package for j2ee? |
| 01:02.59 | greycat | mrgenixus: you can try. |
| 01:03.04 | tarzeau | mrgenixus: can you try with make-jpkg ? |
| 01:03.09 | Twisted2 | antgel: trying testing cause unstable wasnt working ;P |
| 01:03.15 | antgel | KingsRobot: good work |
| 01:03.18 | tarzeau | mrgenixus: what do you really want to do? |
| 01:03.21 | mrgenixus | tarzeau: make-jpkg is for j2re and j2se only |
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| 01:03.27 | antgel | Twisted2: fucking brilliant. :P. |
| 01:03.28 | Osiris | Hello, im trying to set up a webserver i have idid apt-get install phpbb2 as i want to run a forum, i have done that and it has installed all the software it needs, but im trying to create a s sql datbase and i am running into errors like │ Error: Error when trying to connect to the mysql database. |
| 01:03.29 | mrgenixus | tarzeau: I want to install j2ee |
| 01:03.31 | tarzeau | mrgenixus: then you can do without make-jpkg |
| 01:03.35 | |fatalblus | yeah, a question. anyone here actually ever get the java plugin to function or is this another debian 'feature' |
| 01:03.36 | mrgenixus | tarzeau: ? |
| 01:03.36 | tarzeau | mrgenixus: but it'll probably suck |
| 01:03.41 | antgel | Osiris: have you read the documentation? |
| 01:03.43 | greycat | KingsRobot: there should only be ONE default route. why do you have two? |
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| 01:03.47 | tarzeau | mrgenixus: you want to develop software, object oriented? |
| 01:03.48 | mrgenixus | tarzeau: I really just need one file out of the package |
| 01:03.51 | Twisted2 | antgel: dumbass... people do it all the fucking time. |
| 01:03.55 | mrgenixus | tarzeau: yeah, like that |
| 01:03.58 | tarzeau | mrgenixus: and you like the idea of debian? don't use java, but look at objective-c |
| 01:04.02 | greycat | |fatalblus: /msg dpkg sid mozilla java |
| 01:04.07 | mrgenixus | tarzeau: thanks, not my chicken |
| 01:04.09 | tarzeau | mrgenixus: perfect. don't touch j2ee |
| 01:04.10 | hyperstream | anyone here managed to get the latest cvscedega compiled? |
| 01:04.15 | greycat | |fatalblus: and note that the factoid is somewhat dated. |
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| 01:04.21 | tarzeau | hyperstream: yes i did, half a year ago, and wine was better |
| 01:04.25 | KingsRobot | antgel: So adding an 'up route add... etc.' is not the solution - /etc/network/interfaces has an option for metic if you are running static stanzas, which takes effect when ifup runs route. :) |
| 01:04.28 | mrgenixus | tarzeau: need to get j2ee to work, more importantly I need httpservlet.jar |
| 01:04.28 | antgel | Twisted2: people do what? install the wrong thing and complain it doesn't work? my mplayer works, and you're the dumbass. |
| 01:04.34 | tarzeau | mrgenixus: good luck |
| 01:04.35 | |fatalblus | actual java roll sweetie, not some back street oss roll some guy came up with in his spare time |
| 01:04.42 | mrgenixus | tarzeau: the rest of j2ee can um, "go jump in a lake" |
| 01:04.47 | mrgenixus | tarzeau: laszlo |
| 01:04.56 | tarzeau | mrgenixus: i can make you a package, but i may probably not distribute it |
| 01:04.57 | antgel | KingsRobot: i didn't know that, but i knew that if you grepped around the scripts. :) |
| 01:05.01 | tarzeau | mrgenixus: bug sun about it, not me |
| 01:05.04 | greycat | |fatalblus: was that intended to be "ghetto" or are you just mentally defective? |
| 01:05.06 | Twisted2 | antgel: peopel run fucking stable and run testing or unstable packages for gaim and firefox dont they? |
| 01:05.08 | hyperstream | tarzeau, http://pastebin.com/34806 did you get any errors such as these? |
| 01:05.09 | mrgenixus | tarzeau: I'm not "bugging anyone" |
| 01:05.12 | mrgenixus | I asked a question |
| 01:05.20 | |fatalblus | not ghetto, just irritable |
| 01:05.21 | mrgenixus | that's what we do on irc, ask questions |
| 01:05.28 | tarzeau | mrgenixus: true, and you got your answer. |
| 01:05.36 | mrgenixus | tarzeau: i could have said " hey, anybody here use java?" |
| 01:05.42 | antgel | Twisted2: only idiots and people who know that they are doing, none of whom should expect support |
| 01:05.56 | |fatalblus | though i've been drinking so i take no responsibility for my typing... though this IS irc so that might be a given |
| 01:06.01 | Twisted2 | antgel: fine dont help... stfu. |
| 01:06.05 | mrgenixus | I'm glad I can always count on folks in @debian to be consistent |
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| 01:06.25 | greycat | Twisted2: so, are you in X, or are you on a FB console? |
| 01:06.27 | antgel | Twisted2: i don't understand why you are being abusive to people who are trying to help you |
| 01:06.38 | tarzeau | mrgenixus: sorry, i over reacted when i heard java |
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| 01:07.01 | Twisted2 | greycat: fluxbox w/ xorg |
| 01:07.21 | greycat | Twisted2: then the sid mplayer from marillat should definitely work. works here, X.org on a Radeon. |
| 01:07.24 | Twisted2 | antgel: I have never been abusive to anyone in here unless they insulted me first |
| 01:07.32 | glimmung | hi all, I just installed knoppix, and love it, was just wondering if anyone in here runs mysql under debian or knoppix? |
| 01:07.34 | mrgenixus | tarzeau: well, thanks for the info, I was just curious if maybe there was a make jeepkg that ididn't know about |
| 01:07.42 | greycat | !tell glimmung about ask |
| 01:07.45 | greycat | !tell glimmung about knoppix |
| 01:07.52 | meneg | this channel is so big, it could support #debian2 |
| 01:07.56 | cadu | hello ! how do i add my own patch to the 'debian/patches' the debian way ? |
| 01:08.00 | Twisted2 | greycat: I agree... I just dont freaking get why -vo help |
| 01:08.04 | greycat | cadu: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 01:08.11 | Twisted2 | doesnt show x11 or xv or any of that... |
| 01:08.19 | Twisted2 | only fbdev |
| 01:08.27 | greycat | Twisted2: mine does. |
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| 01:08.39 | greycat | ii mplayer-k6 1.0-pre7-0.0 The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux |
| 01:08.39 | Debird | if I go from kernel 2.6.8-2-386 to 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 am I going to break a bunch of other stuff? |
| 01:08.49 | tarzeau | cadu: you mean using dpatch ? |
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| 01:09.02 | antgel | Twisted2: whereis mplayer? |
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| 01:09.10 | tarzeau | meneg: there's #debian-offtopic and #debian_ |
| 01:09.19 | Twisted2 | greycat: so does that mean my mplayer is going nuts or am I missing a codec package or something? |
| 01:09.26 | cadu | tarzeau: yeah, i have a package that i want to add my own patches ...BUT i want it to be as easy as a debian package (if a friend wants to use it it's just a matter of dpkg-buildpackag -uc -us on it) |
| 01:09.30 | greycat | Twisted2: dpkg -l | grep mplayer |
| 01:09.32 | tarzeau | meneg: and language, arch, topic specific, and other smaller deb related channels |
| 01:09.46 | greycat | Twisted2: paste the relevant line(s) |
| 01:09.47 | tarzeau | cadu: make that "debuild" |
| 01:09.57 | cadu | tarzeau: i'm modifying xmms from the debian source ...i would like to add my patches after those buncha patches |
| 01:10.00 | cadu | tarzeau: debuild ? |
| 01:10.08 | tarzeau | cadu: instead of pkg-buildpackag -uc -us |
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| 01:10.16 | Twisted2 | ii mozilla-mplayer 3.05-1 MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla |
| 01:10.16 | Twisted2 | ii mplayer-386 1.0-pre7-0.0 The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux |
| 01:10.23 | cadu | tarzeau: and what about adding the patches to debian/patches ? |
| 01:10.25 | cadu | tarzeau: by hand ? |
| 01:10.31 | tarzeau | cadu: that's fine i guess |
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| 01:10.35 | tarzeau | cadu: read manual page on dpatch |
| 01:10.36 | cadu | tarzeau: okays :) |
| 01:10.42 | cadu | great :) thanks tarzeau |
| 01:10.49 | Twisted2 | actually ignore the mozilla-plugin.. that's fine.. has nothign to do with anything |
| 01:10.51 | antgel | Twisted2: is this the _only_ mplayer you have ever installed on this machine? |
| 01:10.52 | tarzeau | cadu: just make sure you don't patch the upstream makefiles clean target |
| 01:11.00 | Twisted2 | antgel: no.. |
| 01:11.01 | tarzeau | cadu: i hate dpatch |
| 01:11.05 | cadu | tarzeau: i'll patch a couple of .c / .h's |
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| 01:11.09 | cadu | tarzeau: nothing harmful |
| 01:11.10 | greycat | Twisted2: (echoing antgel a bit...) what does "type -a mplayer" say? |
| 01:11.11 | tarzeau | cadu: that's fine then |
| 01:11.11 | antgel | Twisted2: whereis mplayer? |
| 01:11.21 | cadu | tarzeau: i already could build the .deb doing it by hand |
| 01:11.27 | Twisted2 | antgel: I was using the experimental package... removed it... installed testing package |
| 01:11.36 | greycat | dear god. |
| 01:11.38 | cadu | tarzeau: dpatch apply-all ... modify the sources by hand...them debian/rules build...hahaha...true hack ;) |
| 01:11.39 | Twisted2 | mplayer is /usr/local/bin/mplayer |
| 01:11.39 | Twisted2 | mplayer is /usr/bin/mplayer |
| 01:11.41 | greycat | you touched EXPERIMENTAL!? |
| 01:11.41 | antgel | Twisted2: ah, so no meaning yes |
| 01:11.52 | antgel | there you go. running the wrong fucking things |
| 01:11.54 | greycat | Twisted2: you have two of them. |
| 01:11.57 | atom_z | antgel, it would appear that my noise problem is well known |
| 01:12.05 | greycat | Twisted2: get rid of the one that's not from the marillat package |
| 01:12.10 | Twisted2 | dude.. I will rape and pillage |
| 01:12.12 | antgel | atom_z: as predicted. any good solution? |
| 01:12.16 | atom_z | antgel, but its much much worse in linux than winxp |
| 01:12.22 | atom_z | antgel, buy a soundcard |
| 01:12.31 | Twisted2 | I fucking hate not knowing shit like this... in fucking windows I knew it all ! |
| 01:12.37 | antgel | atom_z: oh well, they're cheap enough |
| 01:12.43 | atom_z | antgel, yeah true |
| 01:12.44 | greycat | Twisted2: this is how one learns. |
| 01:12.44 | tarzeau | atom_z: bullshit |
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| 01:12.51 | antgel | Twisted2: there is no knowledge in windows :) |
| 01:13.00 | tarzeau | atom_z: it is much worse in windows than in linux |
| 01:13.04 | Twisted2 | antgel: your telling me.. that's why I switched... |
| 01:13.13 | antgel | Twisted2: try the -vo thing with /usr/bin/mplayer at the start |
| 01:13.13 | mrgenixus | thanks tarzeau |
| 01:13.15 | mrgenixus | later |
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| 01:13.35 | Twisted2 | greycat: how do I remove the "wrong" one.. and which is the wrong one? |
| 01:13.49 | atom_z | tarzeau, whatever, it probably works very well in windows because windows is using the actual nForce driver, which probably filters the noise |
| 01:13.50 | greycat | Twisted2: well, whichever one is left when you dpkg --remove mplayer-386 |
| 01:13.51 | tarzeau | Twisted2: who will you rape and what will you pillage, where? |
| 01:13.55 | greycat | Twisted2: must be the wrong one :) |
| 01:14.04 | meneg | windows needs uber leet mouse click skillz |
| 01:14.06 | tarzeau | atom_z: which kernel do you have? |
| 01:14.11 | tarzeau | atom_z: alsa or oss? |
| 01:14.11 | atom_z | tarzeau, 2.6.11 |
| 01:14.15 | atom_z | tarzeau, alsa |
| 01:14.23 | antgel | Twisted2: the one in local. but beware. anyone know if experimental installs in /usr/local? i didn't think so. |
| 01:14.28 | atom_z | tarzeau, the nForce drivers are for oss :\ |
| 01:14.29 | Twisted2 | tarzeau: dont know and ill figure it out when I leave my house |
| 01:14.31 | tarzeau | atom_z: kernel or binary sound driver? |
| 01:14.40 | tarzeau | i see. i still use 2.4.31... |
| 01:14.51 | Debird | Twisted2: you are right about no knowledge in windows. when it works it just spews everything all over everywhere so it will work. then they offer more and more band-aids for the bleeding |
| 01:14.51 | atom_z | tarzeau, its in the snd_intel8x0 module (generic interface) |
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| 01:15.25 | atom_z | actually... I suppose i could try the nForce drivers |
| 01:15.30 | antgel | atom_z: they know most people will use windows so devote resources to writing drivers that can make the anomallies of their shit, untested, ill thought-out hardware |
| 01:15.36 | meneg | dh_make -n is teh unlose |
| 01:15.38 | antgel | s/make/mask |
| 01:15.43 | atom_z | how do I re-install OSS |
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| 01:16.04 | tarzeau | atom_z: remove alsa modules package? |
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| 01:16.14 | atom_z | antgel, yeah, unfortunately. Atleast Nvidia do actually make NForce drivers for linux |
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| 01:16.25 | Twisted2 | sudo dpkg --remove mplayer-386 |
| 01:16.25 | Twisted2 | (Reading database ... 101853 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 01:16.25 | Twisted2 | Removing mplayer-386 ... |
| 01:16.30 | Twisted2 | kk done. |
| 01:16.34 | Twisted2 | So now were good? |
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| 01:16.47 | tarzeau | atom_z: it's so painful to distribute such drivers |
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| 01:16.53 | antgel | Twisted2: you've just removed the good one. _read the channel._ |
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| 01:17.09 | antgel | Twisted2: and don't use dpkg, use aptitude |
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| 01:17.34 | Twisted2 | antgel: dont even think I have aptitude installed... just use apt |
| 01:17.35 | greycat | Twisted2: now remove whichever one is still left. |
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| 01:17.39 | antgel | Twisted2: you need to remove the shit one in /usr/local. i don't know if that's the one from your experimental package. |
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| 01:17.47 | atom_z | tarzeau, you mean via apt? |
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| 01:17.50 | greycat | Twisted2: once it's ALL gone, then you can reinstall the marillat one |
| 01:17.55 | antgel | Twisted2: find /usr/local and remove all the shit |
| 01:17.55 | meneg | dpkg -S /usr/local/lalalala |
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| 01:17.56 | dpkg | Badgers ate my /usr/local/lalalala! |
| 01:17.58 | tarzeau | atom_z: no i mean their license of the drivers |
| 01:18.06 | atom_z | tarzeau, oh |
| 01:18.09 | Twisted2 | remove it how... just rm -r /usr/local/bin/mplayer? |
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| 01:18.21 | tarzeau | Twisted2: better to use make uninstall |
| 01:18.33 | antgel | Twisted2: ffs. i said find /usr/local. then remove all the files relating to it. |
| 01:18.35 | findme | damn bots |
| 01:18.41 | Twisted2 | !ffs |
| 01:18.41 | dpkg | ffs is probably for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 01:18.44 | antgel | tarzeau: how do you know he has source? |
| 01:18.46 | Twisted2 | hahaha |
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| 01:18.53 | tarzeau | antgel: he has it in /usr/local |
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| 01:19.08 | atom_z | these Spambots are annoying |
| 01:19.09 | tarzeau | antgel: no debian package ever touches that |
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| 01:19.20 | antgel | tarzeau: he also says he got it from experimental. i don't think he built it. have you been following? |
| 01:19.24 | greycat | antgel: find /usr/local -name '*mplayer*' |
| 01:19.28 | greycat | oops. |
| 01:19.35 | tarzeau | antgel: not even experimental packages touch /usr/local |
| 01:19.35 | greycat | Twisted2: find /usr/local -name '*mplayer*' |
| 01:19.36 | incubii | atom_z, /umode +CE |
| 01:19.41 | tarzeau | antgel: yes i have been following |
| 01:19.47 | antgel | tarzeau: my thoughts too, but he said he got it from experimental |
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| 01:19.54 | greycat | tarzeau: *something* put it in /usr/local/bin on his computer. I don't care what; it needs to go. |
| 01:19.54 | Twisted2 | greycat: how do I remove all that crap? |
| 01:19.55 | tarzeau | antgel: that's not possible |
| 01:19.59 | antgel | i don't know what he fucking did :) |
| 01:20.00 | greycat | Twisted2: rm |
| 01:20.01 | Falcon-JJ | those #gentoo fags banned me :-c |
| 01:20.02 | meneg | mplayer from source does /bin, /lib and share, prolly all in local/ |
| 01:20.08 | Twisted2 | greycat: one by one? |
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| 01:20.13 | Falcon-JJ | what's this channel about? |
| 01:20.13 | tarzeau | Falcon-JJ: DON'T SAY GENTOO HERE |
| 01:20.16 | ddtcomp | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.17 | ddtcomp | now i chaged to debian unstable and i wont work anymore |
| 01:20.17 | ddtcomp | using gnome 2.10 |
| 01:20.17 | ddtcomp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:20.25 | tarzeau | Falcon-JJ: i would've banned you if i was op |
| 01:20.25 | Falcon-JJ | <tarzeau> Falcon-JJ: DON'T SAY GENTOO HERE /// sounds good |
| 01:20.32 | antgel | oh the humanity |
| 01:20.34 | Falcon-JJ | tarzeau, get cancer |
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| 01:20.38 | tarzeau | Falcon-JJ: DIE |
| 01:20.38 | Falcon-JJ | or I'll rape your mom |
| 01:20.44 | Falcon-JJ | bring it on! |
| 01:20.46 | atom_z | wtf |
| 01:20.49 | antgel | !ops Falcon-JJ is was out of line |
| 01:20.50 | beardy | !ops kill Falcon-JJ |
| 01:20.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Falcon-JJ is was out of line |
| 01:20.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: kill Falcon-JJ |
| 01:20.52 | Falcon-JJ | tarzeau, you're a spanish creep filled with jello |
| 01:20.52 | Falcon-JJ | tarzeau, you Odiferous octupus ooze |
| 01:20.52 | Falcon-JJ | tarzeau, I'll eat your eyeballs punk |
| 01:20.53 | Falcon-JJ | tarzeau, dirty cancer-patient |
| 01:20.53 | Falcon-JJ | tarzeau, dirty cancer-suffering ho |
| 01:20.53 | Falcon-JJ | tarzeau, Stick it up into your anus and laugh |
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| 01:21.12 | fantomas | Hi. How to change mouse sensitivity in X? |
| 01:21.13 | atom_z | did this just turn into lame-schoolyard-insults |
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| 01:21.25 | greycat | atom_z: it's sunday in some parts of the world |
| 01:21.26 | greycat | !sunday |
| 01:21.26 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 01:21.33 | atom_z | heh |
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| 01:22.02 | findme | !saturday |
| 01:22.02 | dpkg | well, saturday is Tardsday Eve |
| 01:22.15 | antgel | Twisted2: so, why don't you now tell us what you _really_ did when you were trying to get mplayer? we don't believe that you _only_ got an experimental package |
| 01:22.18 | findme | greycat, howdy thanks for killing the moron. |
| 01:22.19 | atom_z | greycat, if I remove alsa, what packages are OSS in? |
| 01:22.31 | antgel | atom_z: none afaik, just load the modules |
| 01:22.37 | atom_z | ok |
| 01:22.38 | tarzeau | atom_z: stock kernel |
| 01:22.44 | beardy | atom_z: It's kernel modules, or built into your kernel. |
| 01:22.47 | atom_z | i'll go try the nForce drivers from nvidia |
| 01:22.59 | atom_z | and if that doesnt work... i'll buy a soundcard |
| 01:23.18 | Twisted2 | antgel: I told you... I was running unstable or experimental... I dont remember.. but that wasnt working so I removed... changed source file... and reinstalled with testing in sources file. |
| 01:23.38 | ddtcomp | hi, i mount NTFS partitions on /media. when they were mounted, gnome used to put a link on computer, desktop, etc.today i upgraded to unstable and it wont link anymore.... |
| 01:23.40 | ddtcomp | any ideas? |
| 01:23.53 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 01:23.54 | dpkg | [sid faq] http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 01:23.54 | antgel | ddtcomp: don't run unstable if you can't fix it? |
| 01:23.58 | Twisted2 | okay... now I am going to install the unstable package... since that's what I run on the computer right? |
| 01:23.58 | tarzeau | ddtcomp: can you read that? |
| 01:24.08 | dawg | fantomas, xset m for mouse sensitivity |
| 01:24.10 | tarzeau | Twisted2: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
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| 01:24.23 | antgel | i _knew_ something was fishy. |
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| 01:24.32 | dawg | fantomas, well acceleration |
| 01:24.33 | ddtcomp | antgel, i think its just a config ptoblem |
| 01:24.34 | Twisted2 | tarzeau: hahaha so yes. |
| 01:24.52 | antgel | ddtcomp: good, then just fix it. |
| 01:25.05 | ddtcomp | antgel, got any ideas? |
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| 01:25.21 | fantomas | dawg: fine, thanks. Need that for neverball game :) |
| 01:25.31 | antgel | Twisted2: mplayer isn't in experimental. it's not in debian. license issues. so where did you _really_ install it from? |
| 01:25.35 | meds | is there a way to get xorg on stable without building source from backports.org? |
| 01:25.44 | tarzeau | lunitik: oh i love sid |
| 01:25.47 | antgel | !tell ddtcomp about any ideas |
| 01:25.51 | tarzeau | lunitik: there's no distate at all |
| 01:25.57 | antgel | i love sid but i never upgrade :P |
| 01:26.04 | tarzeau | lunitik: it's just the distate of people that can't work with sid |
| 01:26.10 | ddtcomp | antgel, ok tnx for you pacience |
| 01:26.15 | lunitik | tarzeau: ahh.... makes sense :) |
| 01:26.18 | tarzeau | antgel: heh, like me ;) actually i do, when the time is right for it |
| 01:26.33 | antgel | meds: does backports not have binaries? do you _need_ xorg? |
| 01:26.33 | Twisted2 | antgel: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 01:26.38 | tarzeau | antgel: some people just don't get the feeling for the right time |
| 01:26.43 | greycat | !xorg sarge |
| 01:26.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 01:26.50 | blackout | i want to draw a bunch of boxes and connect them with arrows - i'd like the arrows to follow the boxes (so really, arrows from one object to another, like in the mac vector graphics program that starts with an O) |
| 01:26.52 | meds | antgel: i think i found a binary for i386 but i need powerpc |
| 01:26.56 | blackout | anything in debian that can do that? |
| 01:27.05 | tarzeau | blackout: omnigraffle? |
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| 01:27.15 | blackout | tarzeau: yes! thanks - that was bugging me all day |
| 01:27.15 | tarzeau | blackout: cenon.app maybe? |
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| 01:27.25 | antgel | tarzeau: i only upgrade packages individually (and their dependencies). tried and tested |
| 01:27.32 | tarzeau | blackout: it's actually a nextstep program that was just ported to mac os x (not mac) |
| 01:27.34 | blackout | anything comparable to omnigraffle in debian/free software? |
| 01:27.36 | lunitik | tarzeau: shush with gnustep ;) |
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| 01:27.59 | tarzeau | blackout: no, but grey_gandalf's working on one, in #gnustep (google for gnustep gap) |
| 01:28.05 | antgel | meds: fair enough. you definitely need it? |
| 01:28.29 | greycat | tarzeau: if we kill him, will he come back as white_gandalf and be, like, twice as strong? |
| 01:28.34 | tarzeau | antgel: same here (for the first sentence) |
| 01:28.37 | meds | antgel: i definetly want it, my laptop is too slow to build it so if i dont find it im stuck with xfree86 |
| 01:28.47 | tarzeau | greycat: he lives in italy... dunno, we can try ;) |
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| 01:28.58 | tarzeau | greycat: can you make a fire? |
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| 01:29.11 | Twisted2 | linux@Twisted:~$ mplayer |
| 01:29.11 | Twisted2 | bash: /usr/local/bin/mplayer: No such file or directory |
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| 01:29.19 | greycat | Twisted2: hash mplayer |
| 01:29.19 | tarzeau | Twisted2: exec bash |
| 01:29.21 | Twisted2 | life seriously sucks. |
| 01:29.28 | lunitik | meds: sarge? sarge's xfree is basically xorg... very very heavily patched. |
| 01:29.28 | greycat | Twisted2: calm... it's not that bad. |
| 01:29.41 | tarzeau | lunitik: sarge doesn't have xorg |
| 01:29.41 | Twisted2 | oh |
| 01:29.42 | asuffield | before wizards can be upgraded, they must first stand in a field for hours, killing rats |
| 01:29.42 | greycat | tarzeau: exec'ing a new shell is a bit overkill |
| 01:29.43 | Twisted2 | haha |
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| 01:29.52 | lunitik | tarzeau: read again ;) |
| 01:29.56 | greycat | asuffield: no, no... that's summoners. |
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| 01:30.02 | tarzeau | lunitik: ouf ;) |
| 01:30.05 | meds | lunitik: fine, i'll just use xfree86 |
| 01:30.11 | kingtux | I have a netwoking question... |
| 01:30.21 | Twisted2 | WEEEEEEEE! I love you guys.. now I have BUTTLOADS of -vo's |
| 01:30.27 | tarzeau | kingtux: ...we can't read mind |
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| 01:30.33 | antgel | Twisted2: if the package from experimental was installed, it would appear in dpkg -l. it doesn't, so i want the truth NO! |
| 01:30.41 | antgel | /s/NO/NOW |
| 01:30.48 | antgel | worst typist |
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| 01:30.56 | Twisted2 | greycat: tarzeau: antgel: thank you all. |
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| 01:30.58 | scorphus_bebado | hi |
| 01:31.01 | antgel | kingtux: i have the answer |
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| 01:31.06 | kingtux | I have a linksys router as my gateway for all my boxes on my box. |
| 01:31.09 | scorphus_bebado | little help here plz |
| 01:31.14 | Twisted2 | antgel: I SWEAR TO YOU ON MY MOTHER LIFE... I did what I told you... |
| 01:31.20 | antgel | Twisted2: good luck. nb if you're new to linux, run stable |
| 01:31.32 | antgel | Twisted2: i don't want any mind games :) |
| 01:31.40 | scorphus_bebado | NickServ says -NickServ- Number of links cannot exceed 20 when I try to link a nick |
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| 01:31.52 | kingtux | I have another box that i want to add to the network but have no ports left on the swtich...I do have a linux box on the network with 2 nics |
| 01:31.54 | tarzeau | scorphus_bebado: #freenode |
| 01:31.59 | greycat | antgel: I wouldn't be surprised if experimental caused his computer to fall down on the keyboard and "accidentally" type in the root password and the mv commands to move the files around. |
| 01:32.18 | antgel | kingtux: seriously, switches are dirt cheap these days |
| 01:32.21 | tarzeau | lunitik: -P or --purge |
| 01:32.27 | scorphus_bebado | tarzeau: waiting for them to give me voice, thx |
| 01:32.29 | tarzeau | lunitik: but you know what it does? |
| 01:32.30 | lunitik | tarzeau: tried that... won't remove... |
| 01:32.38 | scorphus_bebado | just thought you could tell me waht to do |
| 01:32.41 | deckrider | hi, it seems that firefox in sarge/security has issues downloading stuff anymore....true? or it is some setting that I've screwed up? |
| 01:32.42 | lunitik | tarzeau: old version of libstdc... |
| 01:32.44 | tarzeau | lunitik: what exactly did you type? |
| 01:32.47 | kingtux | Yeah but still I want try setting it up with my linux box |
| 01:32.53 | kingtux | just for shits and giggles |
| 01:32.56 | antgel | !btssmite deckrider |
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| 01:33.03 | meds | anyone using ural-linux? works good for me without wep, but for some reason i can't make it work with wep on |
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| 01:33.13 | kingtux | I've tried bridging but i don't think its working right |
| 01:33.18 | antgel | kingtux: and you have googled for linux router, and read the networking howtos? |
| 01:33.20 | deckrider | antgel: I'm using debian/sarge which is stable |
| 01:33.31 | antgel | deckrider: good work! |
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| 01:34.01 | tarzeau | meds: i can't find ural linux in my apt-cache search .. it's not debian, right? |
| 01:34.03 | antgel | oh i see, the factoid's not that clear. the first bit still applies but you get away without the chainsaw |
| 01:34.16 | kingtux | How can I get the new box to go through the linux box if the linux box is not the primary gateway |
| 01:34.18 | lunitik | tarzeau: 'dpkg -P libstdc++-1.2-5c102' (exactly what dpkg returns as the package name...) |
| 01:34.24 | meds | tarzeau: http://etudiants.insia.org/~jbobbio/ural-linux/ |
| 01:34.24 | kingtux | Thought i can just bridge |
| 01:34.40 | shingouz | meds: be prepared to be larted half to death |
| 01:34.49 | antgel | kingtux: what i said above |
| 01:34.56 | lunitik | tarzeau: blah... guess its not libstdc++ though... bad that its not completely installed? |
| 01:34.57 | meds | shingouz: why |
| 01:34.59 | greycat | meds: what does it have to do with Debian? |
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| 01:35.24 | tarzeau | it's a linux specific driver |
| 01:35.25 | meds | greycat: thought someone might be using it on debian and it has no specific channel |
| 01:35.34 | kingtux | so router |
| 01:35.36 | tarzeau | meds: it's fine, it's on-topic |
| 01:35.37 | lunitik | bah... tarzeau sorry... libsigc++ |
| 01:35.39 | antgel | are any wireless devices actually supported in the fucking kernel? |
| 01:35.44 | greycat | uh... so "ural-linux" isn't a linux distro? |
| 01:35.51 | tarzeau | greycat: no, just a bad picked name |
| 01:35.55 | antgel | no, it's a wireless driver |
| 01:36.16 | tarzeau | lunitik: and that doesn't work either? |
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| 01:36.32 | meds | i have prism2.5 and ralink rt2500 usb adapters and neither are supported in kernel |
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| 01:36.50 | tarzeau | meds: you don't like cables? |
| 01:36.58 | tarzeau | meds: they're much cheaper, faster and more reliable |
| 01:37.01 | antgel | kingtux: a bridge works at a lower layer. read the ip rfc, and if it's not explained there, google for ip bridge or similar. you want it to act as a router. |
| 01:37.04 | tarzeau | meds: they come in all colors |
| 01:37.10 | ddtcomp | how is the desktop link of a cd made when you insert a cd in gnome? |
| 01:37.23 | shingouz | meds: i stand corrected. i need caffeine too for that matter |
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| 01:37.28 | meds | tarzeau: i'd rather use cable, but not on a laptop |
| 01:37.43 | theGrue | so i almost got a successful debian install on my laptop, and i was directed here for help |
| 01:37.52 | lunitik | tarzeau: nope... reporting its not installed... (which is half right, as only config files are installed) |
| 01:38.10 | tarzeau | lunitik: check bts? |
| 01:38.24 | beardy | theGrue: Just ask. |
| 01:38.26 | theGrue | my touchpad seems to be posessed |
| 01:38.46 | beardy | !smart questions |
| 01:38.47 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 01:38.50 | theGrue | and i'm wondering if xf86config-4 has the wrong thing for what to look for my mouse on. |
| 01:38.52 | greycat | ddtcomp: the gnomes reach up and draw a picture on the inside of the monitor |
| 01:39.10 | greycat | ddtcomp: they're really smart, and they've been trained to draw backwards so it looks forward to you |
| 01:39.30 | lunitik | tarzeau: apparently, package was orphaned ("this package has no maintainer, please do not report bugs against it") |
| 01:39.44 | tarzeau | lunitik: hehe, you want support for a package that was orphaned? |
| 01:39.51 | Twisted2 | okay... I promiss this is the last question for a week.. How do I fix it so that the screen size actually changes when you change window size? |
| 01:39.53 | tarzeau | lunitik: nobody picked it up? |
| 01:39.56 | lunitik | tarzeau: I want to remove said package ;) |
| 01:39.58 | Twisted2 | well not for a week.. |
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| 01:40.04 | ddtcomp | greycat, dude.... im not stupid im trying to get an answer on how to get drives mounted on gnome |
| 01:40.20 | tarzeau | lunitik: good luck, i've had the same problem with another package... |
| 01:40.21 | Twisted2 | okay the end of the week. Then Ill go to my normal screen name. |
| 01:40.29 | greycat | but... if there aren't any gnomes, then who keeps eating all the crumbs that fall in my keybaord? |
| 01:40.35 | tarzeau | ddtcomp: that's #gnome specific |
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| 01:40.40 | lunitik | tarzeau: I tried searching for the exactly package name/version... and thats what it said... I can't confirm or deny whether it has a maintainer |
| 01:40.43 | antgel | kingtux: this is for you. |
| 01:40.46 | shingouz | !tell theGrue about drxx |
| 01:40.50 | antgel | !ip routing |
| 01:40.50 | dpkg | ip routing is, like, set up your NICs, one on each subnet, ip_forward=yes in /etc/network/options, and /etc/init.d/networking restart. |
| 01:40.53 | bjason | what's the command to see what modules are clurrently installed? |
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| 01:40.56 | kingtux | what is |
| 01:40.56 | lunitik | tarzeau: --force-all should be safe? |
| 01:40.57 | greycat | lsmod |
| 01:41.02 | bjason | yeah..thansk |
| 01:41.03 | shingouz | theGrue: i think the pad is a ps/2 |
| 01:41.04 | tarzeau | lunitik: i've also used it |
| 01:41.15 | kingtux | well I don't have 2 subnets |
| 01:41.29 | tarzeau | bjason: find /lib/modules/`uname -a`/ -name "*.*o" |
| 01:41.29 | antgel | kingtux: you do if you're reouting |
| 01:41.38 | tarzeau | bjason: installed or loaded? |
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| 01:41.49 | bjason | both i guess |
| 01:41.50 | ddtcomp | tarzeau, they sended me here |
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| 01:41.55 | bjason | i need to know if evdev is installed |
| 01:41.57 | bjason | and running |
| 01:41.57 | tarzeau | bjason: both are different things |
| 01:42.09 | tarzeau | ddtcomp: who? from where? |
| 01:42.17 | greycat | modinfo: evdev: no module by that name found |
| 01:42.22 | atom_z | well now this is interesting... nvidia's nForce drivers make audio much much much clearer (unless i'm speaking too soon, that is) |
| 01:42.26 | ddtcomp | tarzeau, from gnome channel |
| 01:42.26 | greycat | beats me what it is. |
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| 01:42.36 | tarzeau | ddtcomp: well and we send you back |
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| 01:42.48 | atom_z | just goes to show how good software can make up for somewhat inadequate/poorly designed hardware |
| 01:42.49 | tarzeau | ddtcomp: THEY ARE SO MORONS! tell them |
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| 01:43.05 | greycat | ddtcomp: and be sure to thank them for eating all the crumbs! |
| 01:43.06 | tarzeau | ddtcomp: how can people not using gnome help about gnome problems? |
| 01:43.07 | lunitik | tarzeau: confusing... don't think I've ever seen this before... thank you anyway for your help though |
| 01:43.22 | tarzeau | ddtcomp: and that when i find a blessed scroll of genocide, it'll be gnomes |
| 01:43.24 | atom_z | atleast nvidia actually bother to make linux drivers |
| 01:43.27 | greycat | hahaha |
| 01:43.27 | antgel | atom_z: you may wish to raise this with the kernel alsa team |
| 01:43.29 | zl2tod | apologies if this is a faq ... I just did the big sid upgrade over the last couple of days, and the kde menu structure etc has disappeared ... anyone be kind enough to point me in the right direction ? |
| 01:43.41 | nima | join #wifi |
| 01:43.43 | nima | ahhhhh |
| 01:43.45 | antgel | zl2tod: sure. => stable |
| 01:43.50 | zl2tod | :P |
| 01:44.02 | tarzeau | zl2tod: WE KNOW |
| 01:44.06 | tarzeau | zl2tod: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 01:44.12 | greycat | atom_z: ati does *better* than make linux drivers. they make DOCUMENTATION FOR THEIR PRODUCT. |
| 01:44.14 | atom_z | antgel, the difference is actually quite amazing. Its pretty much gone from almost not-worth listening to to crystal clear |
| 01:44.16 | tarzeau | zl2tod: this has happened like two weeks ago |
| 01:44.23 | greycat | atom_z: so X.org hackers can make BETTER drivers. |
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| 01:44.38 | antgel | zl2tod: you haven't checked the fucking bts which really annoys me as i know the problem full well and don't even use the bloated crock of shit |
| 01:44.54 | trc | how do i mount a remote xp machine? |
| 01:44.59 | antgel | trc: sideways |
| 01:44.59 | tarzeau | trc: smbmount |
| 01:45.00 | zl2tod | tarzeau- thank you, but please relax your attitude, it only happened to me yesterdaye |
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| 01:45.16 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 01:45.17 | dpkg | sid faq is, like, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 01:45.18 | trc | thanks, let me see |
| 01:45.19 | bjason | does lsmod tell me which modules are currently running? |
| 01:45.25 | greycat | bjason: yes, as "man lsmod" says. |
| 01:45.29 | atom_z | greycat, personally, I think either approach is ok |
| 01:45.32 | zl2tod | tarzeau, I checked bugs.debian.org :P~ |
| 01:45.51 | bjason | greycat, i read it but wasn't 100% sure.. |
| 01:45.54 | bjason | but thanks |
| 01:45.56 | antgel | zl2tod: no. if you did what you are supposed to, you would have known and not wated our precious time! |
| 01:45.56 | zl2tod | and I asked politely - don;t nbe an arsehole |
| 01:45.58 | atom_z | greycat, i've never had any problems with nvidia hardware once their drivers are installed |
| 01:45.58 | greycat | atom_z: one makes Free software possible. the other makes you a continuing slave to the whims of the vendor. |
| 01:46.18 | antgel | zl2tod: you asked politely but didn't read the /topic, didn't check the bts (properly) |
| 01:46.22 | greycat | !tell zl2tod about sid faq |
| 01:46.34 | tarzeau | !topicbadger zl2tod |
| 01:46.35 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that zl2tod didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 01:46.40 | meds | when i try to startx i get "Fatal server error: Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running" |
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| 01:46.49 | atom_z | greycat, you may have a point |
| 01:46.56 | antgel | meds: is one running? :) |
| 01:47.03 | zl2tod | tarzeau is a complete cunt unless anyone didn't already notice - all ego and no clue |
| 01:47.03 | atom_z | greycat, next time I buy a graphics card i'll consider it |
| 01:47.05 | greycat | meds: custom kernel by any chance? |
| 01:47.09 | meds | is there a command t list running x servers |
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| 01:47.12 | meds | greycat: yes |
| 01:47.16 | tarzeau | zl2tod: yes exactly |
| 01:47.22 | greycat | meds: and you forgot unix domain sockets? |
| 01:47.23 | tarzeau | zl2tod: but i can read the topic |
| 01:47.27 | tarzeau | zl2tod: and i can fix sid too |
| 01:47.28 | rking | meds: pstree ? |
| 01:47.42 | meds | greycat: why yes i did, thanks that would have taken me a long time to find |
| 01:47.46 | atom_z | greycat, however... for the forseeable future, nVidia has a vested interest in linux |
| 01:47.56 | antgel | zl2tod: no need to abuse him because you're annoyed. |
| 01:48.18 | antgel | meds: why are you building your kernel again? |
| 01:48.34 | meds | antgel: because suspend to ram doesn't work on the default kernel |
| 01:48.41 | atom_z | greycat, alot of customers who will buy expensive nvidia hardware use linux |
| 01:48.44 | greycat | atom_z: I'm glad there is still at least a small amount of competition in that market. |
| 01:48.52 | zl2tod | yes - there is a need to abuse him - his attidue is what gives linux help channel a shocking reputation - it holds us all back |
| 01:48.58 | tarzeau | atom_z: nvidia hardware is expensive? |
| 01:49.04 | antgel | meds: really suggest that you take a debian kernel config, drop it in there as .config, make oldconfig, make menuconfig. |
| 01:49.07 | atom_z | greycat, as long as that is the case, and as long as ATI still make graphics drivers |
| 01:49.15 | atom_z | greycat, err graphics cards |
| 01:49.18 | antgel | that way you won't miss important things |
| 01:49.26 | atom_z | greycat, nvidia will make decent drivers for linux |
| 01:49.44 | meds | antgel: i think i should be fine with what i've got after this |
| 01:49.46 | tarzeau | atom_z: only problem i had was nvidia forcedeth network cards, but they work fine with 2.4.31 (unlike with debians stable linux kernel 2.4.27) |
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| 01:49.51 | atom_z | tarzeau, very new stuff (i.e. elite gamer stuff) is |
| 01:50.04 | tarzeau | atom_z: ah you mean graphics cards... |
| 01:50.04 | antgel | zl2tod: actually, no. what holds us all back is people who don't do sufficient research but are happy to ask others for their time |
| 01:50.12 | atom_z | tarzeau, yes |
| 01:50.14 | tarzeau | atom_z: they work with vesa or nvidia also |
| 01:50.27 | lunitik | tarzeau: hmm... I removed all the files that dpkg and apt new about it... and now its gone... idgi, but I'll go along :) |
| 01:50.45 | antgel | meds: it's your bed, you lie in it :) |
| 01:51.01 | greycat | zl2tod: tarzeau is a debian developer and he kindly hosts the FAQ that you should have read before asking a single question in this channel |
| 01:51.02 | atom_z | tarzeau, yeah they do, but not on my version of Xfree (it was made BEFORE my graphics card came out... see, i'm a gamer on windows :\) |
| 01:51.09 | tarzeau | greycat: no no, i'm only a maintainer |
| 01:51.30 | antgel | are there actually any dd's here much? |
| 01:51.35 | dondelelcaro | antgel: yes. |
| 01:51.37 | tarzeau | antgel: yes |
| 01:51.47 | greycat | antgel: asuffield and dondelelcaro are the most prominent ones |
| 01:52.23 | antgel | i used to want to be one. then i realised there was nothing i could think of that hadn't already been packaged. :D |
| 01:52.47 | atom_z | greycat, also... dont think ATI's documentation guarantees free software |
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| 01:52.49 | lunitik | antgel: you use KDE or GNOME? |
| 01:52.53 | tarzeau | antgel: i can help you find software that's not packaged if you want |
| 01:53.01 | lunitik | antgel: there are many groups that could use some help :D |
| 01:53.22 | greycat | atom_z: it might not be complete docs. I'm unclear on how much they've given out because it's changed over the years. |
| 01:53.25 | antgel | lunitik: nah |
| 01:53.40 | lunitik | antgel: most smaller projects only need one maintainer though :( |
| 01:53.46 | zl2tod | I've read his kindly hosted faq and it doesn't appear to answer the question .... the question as to why so many debian developers are complete arseholes also remains unanswered ... and you are wrong about what holds us back ... the assertion that us is only the developers in extremely naieve |
| 01:53.47 | nvz | heh I just realize there is a "homeland security" indicator on the state website.. this shit is such B.S. |
| 01:53.50 | greycat | atom_z: but I know my radeon works with 3d accel in x.org and I don't have to use the HORRIBLE fglrx binary drivers any more. |
| 01:53.51 | atom_z | greycat, If ati closed their specs again, while continuing to release new cards, the X.org developers would be in trouble |
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| 01:54.13 | antgel | tarzeau: i've looked through wnpp lots of times, but there's nothing that i'd really be interested in using, and i don't think it's great to maintain something i don't use |
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| 01:54.24 | antgel | lunitik: what groups? |
| 01:54.27 | tarzeau | antgel: yes that's right |
| 01:54.32 | atom_z | greycat, the only reason ati and nvidia are being nice to linux at the moment is because they are in competition |
| 01:54.42 | tarzeau | antgel: you got a screenshot of your screen? |
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| 01:54.47 | trc | tarzeau: smbmount , sideways are part of what. apt-cache search gives no much |
| 01:54.48 | lunitik | Hmm... one more thing... I changed my default encoding to us.UFT-8 ... however, I'm still getting boxes in place of foreign charactors... any way I can fix this? |
| 01:54.50 | greycat | atom_z: monopolies suck. |
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| 01:54.59 | atom_z | greycat, damn straight |
| 01:55.00 | tarzeau | greycat: you suggested sideways ;) |
| 01:55.11 | lunitik | antgel: Qt/KDE Maintainers... GNOME is maintained by a group also afaik |
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| 01:55.15 | atom_z | greycat, it would be great if Open Hardware existed |
| 01:55.21 | lunitik | antgel: X Strike Force also |
| 01:55.24 | antgel | tarzeau: not at the moment. i'm running cygwin / x / wmaker on my parents box. my debian box is at work. why? |
| 01:55.26 | tarzeau | trc: first one is in smbfs |
| 01:55.40 | atom_z | greycat, but creating hardware costs a hell of a lot of cash, unfortunately |
| 01:55.47 | antgel | lunitik: i have no interest in anything to do with kde or gnome. |
| 01:55.50 | tarzeau | antgel: it could've given me a hint what kind of software you use/like and would like to package (that's not there yet) |
| 01:55.55 | lunitik | Hmm... one more thing... I changed my default encoding to us.UTF-8 ... however, I'm still getting boxes in place of foreign charactors... any way I can fix this? |
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| 01:56.08 | lunitik | antgel: X? |
| 01:56.10 | FieldySnuts | don't view foreign cahactors |
| 01:56.14 | tarzeau | lunitik: which software exactly? |
| 01:56.28 | antgel | tarzeau: i keep it pretty simple. vi, emacs, urxvt, wmaker, firefox, thunderbird, mutt, xchat, irssi |
| 01:56.32 | Matthew_I | is thre a way I can funnul all of is there a way I can funtunnel all of my network traffice through an ssh connection? |
| 01:56.36 | lunitik | tarzeau: Konqi I guess... although I'm sure it would happen in most apps/programs |
| 01:56.42 | Guerin | helllloooooooo Sunday! |
| 01:56.50 | antgel | lunitik: x is of interest, but i don't see how i could help them in any way |
| 01:56.56 | lunitik | (viewing blogs and dwn is where I've seen it so far...) |
| 01:56.57 | greycat | Sat Aug 27 21:56:57 EDT 2005 |
| 01:57.05 | meds | antgel: why do ou have two of everything |
| 01:57.11 | tarzeau | Sun Aug 28 04:00:55 CEST 2005 |
| 01:57.26 | greycat | tarzeau needs NTP, or I do. |
| 01:57.27 | antgel | meds: depends on mood or if i ssh in. |
| 01:57.33 | Guerin | Sun Aug 28 10:57:32 KST 2005 |
| 01:57.43 | beardy | greycat: Run away while you still can then. |
| 01:57.44 | antgel | meds: i only use one term and one wm. :) |
| 01:57.48 | greycat | pool.ntp.org: stratum 3, offset -0.000096, synch distance 0.013065 |
| 01:57.50 | Guerin | i believe tarzeau does |
| 01:57.50 | greycat | tarzeau does. |
| 01:57.51 | dli | any scim users? |
| 01:57.58 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 01:57.58 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:58.01 | tarzeau | it's precise enough for me |
| 01:58.03 | nvz | yay sunday, one more day until I go down to fedex and deliver them the good news, that I am not going to sue them its a waste of my time for the few hundred they owe me, instead the borough and the state is going to sue them, then I am going to have a meeting with the park owner and manager to tear up their long-term lease agreement :P |
| 01:58.19 | zl2tod | ok - i've reread the bts which I had READ before I asked and I can see nothing there that helps, I've read the kindly hosted faq, which doesn't address my question ... is there anyone here who has an agenda other than demonstrating the size of their penis that could point me in the right direction ? |
| 01:58.43 | antgel | zl2tod: as you asked so nicely... |
| 01:58.45 | clue_less | which package can I use to do image processing through command line? |
| 01:58.58 | meds | clue_less: imagemagick |
| 01:58.59 | antgel | !tell zl2tod about ask |
| 01:59.09 | tarzeau | clue_less: netpbm |
| 01:59.16 | Guerin | zl2tod: whining > /dev/null |
| 01:59.38 | greycat | Guerin: it's your turn to empty the bit bucket. |
| 01:59.46 | nvz | as I am sure you can guess I don't work for fedex anymore. and fortunatly for me I am not the only one they are screwing over.. not paying their occupational privlage taxes ..etc..etc |
| 01:59.50 | lunitik | zl2tod: not when you come across like that, no |
| 02:00.23 | Guerin | greycat: where are those virtual pigs ... they eat everything |
| 02:00.35 | zl2tod | I asked nicely, I got flamed completely unreasonably. Now I'm gettiong the hard timwe for asking agin ... great work guys |
| 02:00.38 | greycat | Piggy: where are you? |
| 02:00.39 | lunitik | nvz: Court rooms aren't fun... good thing you are avoiding them :) |
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| 02:00.55 | Guerin | zl2tod: if it's the kde menus you're whining about, all I have to say is "Welcome To Sidsville" |
| 02:00.55 | hyperstream | Steam.exe (main exception): Win32 StructuredExceptoin at 45B4125F : Attemp to read from virtual address 7471641 without appropriate access rights <----- DIE CEDEGA 4.4.1 |
| 02:00.57 | lunitik | zl2tod: try Ubuntu, I here they like helping ingrates |
| 02:01.07 | hyperstream | so much for paying for a product that doesnt even work |
| 02:01.14 | greycat | hyperstream: #cedega |
| 02:01.22 | antgel | zl2tod: do you think that perhaps we are not all wrong and you might be? |
| 02:01.24 | tarzeau | hyperstream: i'm telling you again: WINE! |
| 02:01.28 | lunitik | Guerin: wait, whats wrong with the kde menu's? I'm using Sid, see nothing wrong? |
| 02:01.31 | nvz | lunitik: they wouldnt stand a chance against me.. the industrial parks lawyers are on my side, as well as the judge. I gave him his job. |
| 02:01.32 | Gnea | hrmmm |
| 02:01.34 | zl2tod | this is what makes me thing debian is completely moribund |
| 02:01.36 | scenestar | since when do people pay for software |
| 02:01.41 | Guerin | lunitik: many people found their menus disappeared |
| 02:01.42 | Gnea | x.org is sig11 on my workstation |
| 02:01.43 | hyperstream | tarzeau, why do i need wine to use cedega? |
| 02:01.53 | tarzeau | hyperstream: you can use wine, and not use cedega at all |
| 02:01.54 | scenestar | i want stuff free as in speech |
| 02:01.57 | scenestar | AND BEER |
| 02:01.58 | Gnea | of course, i'm using gcc4.0 on there, perhaps i should just go back to 3.4 |
| 02:02.00 | nvz | lunitik: I just don't feel like dealing with it, and since they are complete frauds I wont have to |
| 02:02.01 | antgel | zl2tod: nobody forced you to use unstable, which as you are aware is unsupported |
| 02:02.02 | lunitik | Guerin: shitty :( *strokes his menus* |
| 02:02.15 | greycat | Gnea: you built it from source? |
| 02:02.33 | hyperstream | tarzeau, wine doesnt support hl2 apparently |
| 02:02.36 | tarzeau | antgel: of course it's supported, just not gnome and kde ;) |
| 02:02.40 | Guerin | zl2tod: you are free to think that. The fact of the matter is that you use unstable, which is unsupportable because it breaks horribly at random intervals, and now it's breaking. |
| 02:02.41 | lunitik | zl2tod: no really... Ubuntu likes idiots... try them |
| 02:02.41 | Gnea | greycat: naw, just the kernel and nvidia driver |
| 02:02.48 | tarzeau | hyperstream: ah if you only said hl2 before... |
| 02:02.55 | Gnea | greycat: it's sid |
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| 02:03.03 | greycat | Gnea: nvidia BINARY driver on x.org? |
| 02:03.03 | zl2tod | so I take it you are telling me that it's a known problem and is unfixed ? |
| 02:03.08 | Guerin | lunitik: please to not damage #debian-#ubuntu relations further |
| 02:03.09 | greycat | !nvidia x.org |
| 02:03.12 | tarzeau | hyperstream: it's more like hl2 guys don't support linux, really |
| 02:03.12 | greycat | !nvidia xorg |
| 02:03.14 | lunitik | zl2tod: pretty much, yes |
| 02:03.15 | greycat | bah. |
| 02:03.17 | Gnea | uh oh |
| 02:03.19 | Gnea | heh yeah |
| 02:03.23 | lunitik | Guerin: awww :( |
| 02:03.24 | greycat | !xorg-nvidia |
| 02:03.24 | dpkg | i heard xorg-nvidia is http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/16446.html |
| 02:03.28 | Gnea | i did it 'the right way' on this laptop |
| 02:03.32 | antgel | tarzeau: thought of some more apps i use. xsane, grip, jpilot (not for much longer). and lots of server stuff, but again common. nfs, bind, apache, squid, exim, samba, cups |
| 02:03.36 | Gnea | and it worked |
| 02:03.38 | Gnea | so |
| 02:03.42 | hyperstream | !nvidia-oneliner |
| 02:03.44 | zl2tod | lunitik: thank you, at last |
| 02:03.50 | Guerin | zl2tod: if the BTS doesn't say it's fixed, then it's currently unfixed. |
| 02:03.51 | greycat | hyperstream: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 02:03.53 | nvz | actually my father gave the judge his job.. he was the campaign leader.. I just contributed some time and a piece of software I designed to give him an edge |
| 02:03.58 | tarzeau | antgel: and no single software that you installed from source? |
| 02:04.00 | lunitik | zl2tod: #debian-kde would have been more helpful ;) |
| 02:04.06 | greycat | Guerin: which package (or which bug) is it, just out of curiosity? |
| 02:04.09 | zl2tod | everything would have been a lot easier if someone had just said that instead of flaming me |
| 02:04.16 | Guerin | greycat: kde menus empty |
| 02:04.34 | Guerin | greycat: a 'who fucking cares, no big deal, make way for the real bugs' bug |
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| 02:04.39 | tarzeau | zl2tod: it's in the channel faq |
| 02:04.49 | greycat | hmm, not on package "kde". |
| 02:04.52 | blackout | are sodipodi and inkscape related somehow? |
| 02:05.17 | lunitik | blackout: inkscape is a fork of sodipodi to concentrate on SVG |
| 02:05.20 | antgel | tarzeau: nah. i use DbDesigner which comes as a binary. tomcat 5 and sync4j which are java-related and i wouldn't fancy packaging them. |
| 02:05.26 | greycat | not on package kdelibs4 |
| 02:05.50 | antgel | tarzeau: mysql, postgresql, sql-ledger, they're all there in debian |
| 02:05.56 | tarzeau | antgel: what about bug fixing on the software you like/use most? or translations? |
| 02:06.03 | antgel | it's in the bts somewhere. i've seen this discussion before. |
| 02:06.04 | lunitik | greycat: kdebase deals with menu's etc |
| 02:06.20 | lunitik | greycat: kdelibs is kio_slaves etc... |
| 02:06.25 | Guerin | lunitik: kdebase is a metapackage |
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| 02:06.31 | Guerin | is it not? |
| 02:06.36 | blackout | lunitik: do you know if they share newly developed features? |
| 02:06.38 | lunitik | Guerin: no its no? |
| 02:06.43 | lunitik | not* |
| 02:06.50 | antgel | tarzeau: well, i can translate english to english. apart from that i can do french and hebrew, but there's a lot of people who can do those better (brits tend to not be gifted at languages) |
| 02:06.59 | lunitik | blackout: no idea... probably not |
| 02:06.59 | Guerin | yes, it is |
| 02:07.09 | Guerin | please to stop talkign about shit you don't know anything about |
| 02:07.11 | tarzeau | antgel: oh, you drive on the left street side? |
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| 02:07.22 | Phated | As is right and proper. |
| 02:07.26 | greycat | 22:07 Topic for #debian-kde: Don't upgrade kdelibs-data (#323747) | KDE 3.4.2 |
| 02:07.59 | antgel | tarzeau: as for bug fixing, i do raise the odd bug report. let me have a look at my open ones... |
| 02:08.11 | lunitik | Guerin: eh... Debian maintainers strip out all kde packages... upstream, they are one single package though |
| 02:08.16 | greycat | zl2tod: HTH. HAND. |
| 02:08.32 | Guerin | lunitik: this is #debian |
| 02:08.38 | antgel | zl2tod: oh look, it's in the bts. what a surprise. |
| 02:09.03 | greycat | more importantly, it's in the topic of the KDE specific channel |
| 02:09.04 | lunitik | Guerin: so what you would file the bug on? |
| 02:09.39 | Guerin | lunitik: kdelibs4-data, foo |
| 02:10.16 | lunitik | hmm |
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| 02:11.48 | antgel | tarzeau: 320597 i could probably have a go at, 321112 likewise, 320246 is out of my control, 320438 is fixed. i'll have a look under another email address. |
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| 02:12.39 | asuffield | Phated: like you'd know, where you live they drive anywhere nobody is shooting |
| 02:12.51 | Guerin | haha |
| 02:12.57 | Phated | Feh. |
| 02:13.01 | tarzeau | antgel: go ahead. know #debian-bugs ? |
| 02:13.16 | antgel | tarzeau: not until 5 second ago |
| 02:13.19 | atom_z | greycat, just had a thought. perhaps one of nvidia's motives for creating linux drivers is so that the linux community doesnt make their own nvidia drivers (which may reveal some trade secrets nvidia would rather people not know) ? |
| 02:13.24 | Guerin | what are you talking about? They don't allow citizens to own anything more dangerous than a ballpoint pen in Phated's lovely little South Asian Police State |
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| 02:13.27 | greycat | asuffield: Phated: you both live in places that aren't big enough to *need* cars. |
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| 02:13.38 | Phated | Touche. |
| 02:13.40 | asuffield | greycat: I so do not own a car :P |
| 02:14.00 | greycat | asuffield: must be nice... in the US, it's rare that one can afford the luxury of NOT having a car. |
| 02:14.24 | asuffield | Guerin: like a third of the people in the place aren't legal citizens :P |
| 02:15.05 | atom_z | asuffield, ah, you're also UK |
| 02:15.05 | antgel | tarzeau: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=submitter&data=antony%40antgel.co.uk&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable for the others. |
| 02:15.25 | atom_z | asuffield, dont like the way our country is turning into a police state |
| 02:15.33 | antgel | tarzeau: most of them are being dealt with, apart from a one or two which have been completely fucking ignored! |
| 02:15.35 | bucky | asuffield, where's that... LA ? |
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| 02:15.49 | atom_z | bucky, whois him |
| 02:15.58 | tarzeau | antgel: none of them has a patch? |
| 02:16.13 | bucky | los angeles? |
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| 02:16.20 | tarzeau | antgel: you can do something about the being ignored, fix it yourself/write a patch for it |
| 02:16.34 | greycat | patches aren't always welcomed. |
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| 02:16.40 | greycat | but you can try. |
| 02:17.00 | antgel | tarzeau: some of the ones in that linnk have been dealt with. i'm pissed off - two bugs in grip have been ignored for 1 year and 256 days! at least the "maintainer" could have acknowledged them |
| 02:17.05 | tarzeau | antgel: what fonts do you use for hebrew? |
| 02:17.19 | tarzeau | antgel: i've got older bugs ;) like 3 years or so ;) |
| 02:17.26 | antgel | tarzeau: forget now, been installed a long time |
| 02:17.33 | antgel | tarzeau: 3 years with no ack? |
| 02:17.37 | asuffield | although being a citizen muppet in that place must be fun. shielding yourself with your ballpoint pens and trying to stay out of the crossfire between the police and the syndicates :P |
| 02:17.50 | tarzeau | antgel: 3 years, 219 days (rfp bug ;) |
| 02:18.05 | tarzeau | antgel: overfiend said he'll fix it, years ago, and again, half a year ago or so |
| 02:18.10 | tarzeau | antgel: #130286 |
| 02:18.25 | antgel | not to mention 263217 - ignored for a mere 1 year and 24 days |
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| 02:18.35 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 130286 |
| 02:18.39 | dpkg | #130286:W[freeciv] RFP: please package dizzy and tinydent tiles |
| 02:18.53 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 263217 |
| 02:18.56 | dpkg | #263217:W[jpilot] Birthday field in contacts |
| 02:19.08 | greycat | wishlist doesn't count ;-) |
| 02:19.12 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: ahh... thanks... been trying to figure out how to get the bots to tell me about bugs for about 5 mins :) |
| 02:19.22 | antgel | tarzeau: that's a fucking amazing lag! |
| 02:19.37 | dondelelcaro | eh, they're 6 digit bugs. |
| 02:19.42 | antgel | greycat: i hear that, but an ack would be nice. at least raise it upstream? |
| 02:19.44 | tarzeau | antgel: i've kicked some freecivers asses anyways, having installed the stuff myself ;) |
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| 02:20.01 | greycat | I did some documentation work on freeciv a while back |
| 02:20.11 | tarzeau | greycat: what was the more verbose dpkg bug? about the post/pre scripts? |
| 02:20.29 | tarzeau | greycat: the filters package got a nethackify ;) me me! |
| 02:20.31 | greycat | tarzeau: I don't know that one |
| 02:20.35 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: there are a couple of bugs with multiple megabytes in the .log file |
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| 02:20.55 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: yeah, and there's build logs, way larger than multiple megabytes |
| 02:20.57 | dondelelcaro | (of course, many of them cheat, as they've got stupidly huge corefiles or straces attached) |
| 02:21.30 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: and i think i've found the largest host -la output (from mit.edu), www.linuks.mine.nu/dns/mit.edu.txt.gz |
| 02:21.38 | hyperstream | !activex |
| 02:21.38 | dpkg | [activex] Microsoft technology designed to enable easier multimedia on the Web. ActiveX controls can be used in Java to create multimedia effects. Check out http://www.activex.org for more info. used for compiling insecure code off the net and downloading viruses, or now supported in KDE |
| 02:21.46 | tarzeau | !billennium |
| 02:21.47 | dpkg | Got the archives? Check'em out at http://properkernel.com/billennium/ . |
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| 02:22.03 | hyperstream | hmm how do i go about installing active x control for wine/steam tarzeau |
| 02:22.14 | tarzeau | hyperstream: no idea. wine don't run on my computers |
| 02:22.34 | greycat | active X? |
| 02:22.36 | greycat | you *want* that? |
| 02:22.39 | greycat | are you insane? |
| 02:23.23 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: 15242836 ./94/267194.log <-- theres a nice one |
| 02:23.37 | lunitik | wait wait.... kde supports activex now? tell me thats a joke? :( |
| 02:23.54 | atom_z | wtf |
| 02:24.20 | atom_z | that's almost certainly false |
| 02:24.43 | hyperstream | greycat, its required. |
| 02:24.45 | hyperstream | to run steam |
| 02:24.49 | dondelelcaro | 15M of gziped strace |
| 02:24.55 | greycat | so don't run "steam", whatever the fuck that is. |
| 02:24.56 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: yuck. |
| 02:25.09 | atom_z | hyperstream, cedega has various docs about steam |
| 02:25.10 | hyperstream | or yes run steam because its a great game :D |
| 02:25.17 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: size don't matter, some are way smaller but way more fun to read |
| 02:25.27 | greycat | nethack, ToME, Freeciv, Lincity, ...? |
| 02:25.29 | hyperstream | atom_z, : cedega is giving me gayd errors |
| 02:25.29 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: 35911692 ./80/258980.log is currently the winner though... |
| 02:25.34 | tarzeau | hyperstream: why don't you just run windows natively? |
| 02:25.35 | atom_z | hyperstream, then buy it |
| 02:25.39 | atom_z | hyperstream, and it wont |
| 02:25.51 | hyperstream | atom_z, i did buy cedega |
| 02:25.55 | hyperstream | cost me 15$ |
| 02:25.56 | atom_z | hyperstream, oh |
| 02:25.59 | tarzeau | add, supertux bubnbros mtp-target jumpnbump to the list of great games |
| 02:26.00 | hyperstream | and it doesnt work |
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| 02:26.06 | atom_z | hyperstream, download the build especially for steam then |
| 02:26.30 | atom_z | hyperstream, its documented on transgaming.org... somewhere |
| 02:26.41 | hyperstream | ive been all over that sitea |
| 02:26.49 | atom_z | hyperstream, or just install windows and play half-life on that :\ |
| 02:26.49 | hyperstream | and the suposed, support you get for buying cedega |
| 02:26.54 | hyperstream | :/ |
| 02:26.56 | hyperstream | die windows |
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| 02:27.10 | antgel | tarzeau: so, you see i really don't have much to contribute other than passion. :) |
| 02:27.13 | tarzeau | hyperstream: i've played great games on playstation 1. still do |
| 02:27.29 | tarzeau | antgel: that's a great start. don't let the passion fade away |
| 02:27.41 | tarzeau | antgel: another funny thing to do is this: |
| 02:27.45 | atom_z | hyperstream, hmm |
| 02:28.00 | atom_z | hyperstream, look at the half-life page |
| 02:28.01 | tarzeau | antgel: log a bit of the cahnnel, pick the most asked questsion, answer them on the #debian-faq-wiki and lart users who don't read it ;) |
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| 02:28.15 | tarzeau | antgel: very funny. works best on weekends |
| 02:28.30 | IveGotADD | is 2.10 broke in testing ? |
| 02:28.41 | greycat | 2.10 of WHAT? |
| 02:28.41 | IveGotADD | er.. still broke rather |
| 02:28.41 | tarzeau | !topicbadger IveGotADD |
| 02:28.43 | atom_z | hyperstream, I cant remember where I saw it, but I was just browsing, so it can't be that hard to find |
| 02:28.43 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that IveGotADD didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 02:28.54 | lunitik | tarzeau: you're way too easily entertained ;) |
| 02:29.11 | tarzeau | lunitik: this place is better than tv! |
| 02:29.12 | antgel | tarzeau: i wanted to see if i could help out on mozilla in sarge, but after following and participating discussions on linux.debian.security, by the time that the dds and moz devs had traded policies, i had become so disheartened that i have to go and do something else. :P |
| 02:29.24 | antgel | s/have/had |
| 02:29.34 | tarzeau | antgel: seriously mozilla and firefox are the worst browsers i've seen/used |
| 02:29.53 | antgel | tarzeau: fair play, but they are still killer apps |
| 02:31.19 | yonkel-lappy | is thc stuff in the repos anymore? |
| 02:31.23 | meds | greycat: when i run showkey -k from an xterm i get "Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console" but from console it works, is this another kernel option missing or something completely different? |
| 02:31.33 | hyperstream | atom_z, look at the half life page for what? |
| 02:31.44 | lunitik | tarzeau: firefox is fast... what more do you want from a browser? and it allows for extensibility while not being bloated (like its older brother) |
| 02:31.55 | tarzeau | lunitik: haha fast? you must be kidding |
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| 02:32.15 | lunitik | tarzeau: gecko is *very* fast here... what do you use? |
| 02:32.18 | greycat | meds: it's because showkey isn't supposed to run in an xterm, I'd imagine. |
| 02:32.22 | tarzeau | lunitik: if you want to hear it's great, don't ask me. |
| 02:32.35 | lunitik | tarzeau: here, firefox renders pages faster than lynx :P |
| 02:32.36 | patty | i wonder why i am unable to login into ubuntu channel :( |
| 02:32.36 | tarzeau | lunitik: omniweb and links2 -g and dillo |
| 02:32.45 | tarzeau | lunitik: your computer is fast, maybe. but certainly not firefox |
| 02:32.59 | justin | tarzeau: have you tried the betas at all? |
| 02:33.00 | patty | i love firefox, faster than LYNX |
| 02:33.10 | tarzeau | justin: deerpark? |
| 02:33.11 | antgel | lynx is old hat, you want elinks |
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| 02:33.13 | lunitik | tarzeau: Athlon XP 2400... crap consumer chip set... |
| 02:33.17 | meds | greycat: pretty sure i've done it before, it was probbaly xorg if that makes a difference. oh well everything else seems to be working fine |
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| 02:33.27 | justin | tarzeau: yeah, much faster than the current stable release |
| 02:33.33 | tarzeau | justin: and doesn't crash? |
| 02:33.45 | greycat | meds: *shrug* |
| 02:33.48 | tarzeau | justin: i hate its interface too, you know. i really hate that most |
| 02:34.07 | tarzeau | lunitik: you don't have non i386 computers, right? |
| 02:34.13 | greycat | patty: they might require you to be nickserv registered |
| 02:34.14 | lunitik | tarzeau: nope |
| 02:34.16 | patty | antgel, how to run elinks ? |
| 02:34.19 | justin | tarzeau: once in a while, not when just browsing a page, usually when I hit a sequence of c-t c-tab c-w c-l or something too fast |
| 02:34.20 | DB7654321 | My biggest complaint with firefox is its printing rendering |
| 02:34.36 | greycat | my biggest complaint with firefox is that mozex isn't integrated into it |
| 02:34.41 | patty | greycat, , yeah i registered, though they say incorrect password.. i already have specified correct pwd |
| 02:34.56 | greycat | and my biggest complaint with mozex is it's not available for firefox 0.9+, so I keep firefox 0.8 on hold |
| 02:34.56 | tarzeau | i hate the unknown-file-handler |
| 02:35.03 | justin | greycat: oooh, that looks useful :-) |
| 02:35.04 | atom_z | hyperstream, http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=371 |
| 02:35.04 | lunitik | greycat: mozex? |
| 02:35.05 | tarzeau | that can't display me the content of .sh files for example |
| 02:35.08 | antgel | deer park crashes too, but it's usually plugins. it is pretty good, but bugzilla is the biggest computing-related entity in the world. that thing has more bugs than anything. |
| 02:35.10 | tarzeau | that's so moronic |
| 02:35.19 | atom_z | hyperstream, maybe thats useful... I dont use cedega btw |
| 02:35.21 | Gnea | DB7654321: huh? firefox print fine |
| 02:35.26 | atom_z | hyperstream, i play games on winxp |
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| 02:35.45 | Gnea | er, prints |
| 02:35.52 | DB7654321 | There's something funky with the FF postscript stuff...I can't get the bastard to print landscape. Printing to an Xprint pdf file with landscape selected in page setup yields a landscape orient on a portrait page...It's not a printer driver issue :- |
| 02:35.57 | antgel | patty: install it and run it. just like all the other thousands of debian applications. |
| 02:36.00 | tarzeau | we forgot to mention dopewars, another great game |
| 02:36.09 | Gnea | DB7654321: don't use xprint. |
| 02:36.16 | meds | should i entrust font management to defoma? |
| 02:36.18 | tarzeau | lunitik: are your bookmarks public? |
| 02:36.19 | Gnea | apt-get remove xprint |
| 02:36.21 | Gnea | :) |
| 02:36.22 | lunitik | tarzeau: they need to port that game to a better interface... |
| 02:36.25 | patty | antgel, , i asked how to run it ?? is it elinks command ?? is it CLI ? |
| 02:36.27 | lunitik | tarzeau: www.cliphunter.com |
| 02:36.29 | tarzeau | lunitik: there's gui interfaces |
| 02:36.29 | DB7654321 | Gnea: Then what? It magically works? :P |
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| 02:36.43 | tarzeau | lunitik: i meant the latest news. you wanker! ;) |
| 02:36.48 | xbmodder | ? |
| 02:36.49 | antgel | i swear i should learn vim better, and learn elinks, slrn. then i could ditch silly point and click. |
| 02:36.50 | Gnea | DB7654321: be sure to select the printer via cups from the printer properties when you go to print |
| 02:37.06 | antgel | patty: yes and yes |
| 02:37.07 | lunitik | tarzeau: I know... kind of ugly though :( (dopewars) |
| 02:37.14 | xbmodder | I can't install kdegraphics? |
| 02:37.17 | meds | slrn is nice, best console newsreader i've found |
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| 02:37.36 | meds | so should i defoma or not defoma? |
| 02:37.40 | greycat | !widhe |
| 02:37.40 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 02:37.41 | lunitik | tarzeau: haha... nothing in peticular... I seem to go to osnews entirely too much though |
| 02:38.15 | xtz | hi there, does any one knows how to install libdvdcss2 with apt-get ? it says that the package is obselete :-( |
| 02:38.15 | tarzeau | xbmodder: stable ? |
| 02:38.17 | DB7654321 | Gnea: After removing xprint, firefox hangs when I attempt to load the print menu |
| 02:38.19 | lunitik | greycat: wow... great factoid :) |
| 02:38.19 | tarzeau | xtz: stable? |
| 02:38.51 | xtz | tarzeau: yep |
| 02:39.00 | kingtux | I've setup my debian box as a router for a subnet....eth0=192.168.199.1 eth1=172.25.25.3 , but I can't set up route for eth0 to point to 172. gateway |
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| 02:39.10 | xbmodder | tarzeau, this is error: http://pastebin.ca/21339 |
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| 02:39.14 | tarzeau | kingtux: iptables? 2.4 kernel? |
| 02:39.21 | kingtux | sarge |
| 02:39.32 | kingtux | i get this when i try and add the route |
| 02:39.35 | kingtux | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 02:39.53 | lunitik | kingtux: thats not exactly what he asked....... |
| 02:39.56 | tarzeau | kingtux: that msg is not clear? |
| 02:40.02 | greycat | you tried to add a route to an address you can't reach |
| 02:40.04 | tarzeau | what's the exact command you type? |
| 02:40.10 | antgel | xtz: it's not in stable |
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| 02:40.18 | kingtux | route add -net 192.168.199.0 gw 172.25.25.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0 |
| 02:40.21 | atom_z | how can i find out how many teraflops my computer is? |
| 02:40.31 | tarzeau | atom_z: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:40.37 | greycat | kingtux: and you have an interface on the 172.25.25.x network? |
| 02:40.44 | xtz | antgel, but where can i get it ? i cant read any DVD movies :( |
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| 02:41.03 | patty | thats great, elinks is sooooo fast !!! |
| 02:41.06 | kingtux | I have a 172.25.25. networking correctly.... |
| 02:41.11 | RvGaTe | goodnight everybody ! :D |
| 02:41.12 | patty | antgel, thanks dude ! |
| 02:41.15 | antgel | xtz: i _think_ it's with mplayer in marillat |
| 02:41.15 | tarzeau | patty: it can do graphical, too? |
| 02:41.22 | antgel | no |
| 02:41.25 | patty | tarzeau, no |
| 02:41.27 | kingtux | I've configure my second nic fo 192. network |
| 02:41.28 | antgel | has got tabs |
| 02:41.33 | tarzeau | patty: try links2 and add -g. knew this? |
| 02:41.40 | patty | tarzeau, , but u will enjoy it too !! |
| 02:41.42 | antgel | kingtux: why the eth0 at the end of the command? |
| 02:41.44 | kingtux | I want to route traffic on this nic to |
| 02:41.52 | antgel | !tell patty about u |
| 02:41.54 | patty | tarzeau, links2 supports graphics ?? |
| 02:41.59 | kingtux | 172. gw |
| 02:42.01 | tarzeau | patty: sure, here's a screenshot |
| 02:42.04 | atom_z | tarzeau, whats the teraflops indicator called in that listing? |
| 02:42.08 | patty | wow |
| 02:42.11 | kingtux | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 02:42.11 | kingtux | 172.25.25.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 02:42.11 | kingtux | 192.168.199.0 172.25.25.1 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 02:42.11 | kingtux | 192.168.199.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 02:42.11 | kingtux | 0.0.0.0 172.25.25.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
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| 02:42.18 | patty | do i need to add -g to it ?? |
| 02:42.19 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshot/links.jpg |
| 02:42.19 | antgel | dick |
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| 02:42.22 | tarzeau | patty: yep |
| 02:42.25 | kingtux | sorry |
| 02:42.29 | RogueDopple | gah |
| 02:42.31 | Guerin | kingtux: king of the morons! |
| 02:42.33 | tarzeau | patty: svgalib, framebuffer and x ;) |
| 02:42.40 | tarzeau | patty: with mouse, anywhere |
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| 02:42.48 | patty | cool |
| 02:43.00 | xtz | tarzeau: mplayer in marillat ? what is this ? |
| 02:43.02 | tarzeau | atom_z: i386? |
| 02:43.08 | atom_z | tarzeau, amd64 |
| 02:43.08 | kingtux | am i not suppose to have eth0 at the end of that command |
| 02:43.10 | tarzeau | xtz: broken |
| 02:43.14 | patty | i am gonna download that now |
| 02:43.16 | greycat | kingtux: you said to use gw 172.25.25.1 on eth0, but your routing table shows that it's eth1. |
| 02:43.22 | Guerin | !tell xtz about marillat |
| 02:43.31 | pygrammer | so do i have to upgrade from alsa 1.0.8 to 1.0.9 to utilize dmix? |
| 02:43.39 | kingtux | Typo 172.25.25.1 is for eth1 |
| 02:43.41 | pygrammer | the alsa guy was helping me but he left, and now i'm stuck here |
| 02:43.41 | patty | svgalib ?? is it installed automatically ?? |
| 02:43.41 | tarzeau | patty: have fun ;) it's damn fast and great to grep through "Funny, 5" on /. |
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| 02:43.47 | kingtux | 192.168. is for eth0 |
| 02:43.50 | tarzeau | patty: yes it's fine, don't worry |
| 02:43.51 | greycat | kingtux: so fix it. |
| 02:43.54 | lunitik | tarzeau: ahh... you're still using HURD? |
| 02:43.54 | patty | tarzeau, , wait u are confusing me now |
| 02:43.57 | tarzeau | patty: i use it in x11 only |
| 02:44.08 | patty | shud i download links2 pckg ?? |
| 02:44.12 | pygrammer | i'm trying, for instance, to get both gaim and xmms to work at the same time |
| 02:44.13 | antgel | kingtux: why specify eth0? the kernel can work it out |
| 02:44.18 | xtz | thanks tarzeau & Guerin |
| 02:44.23 | tarzeau | lunitik: the box is still there, collecting dust, i was too lazy to update it to the latest stuff (which i heard was much better/more stable) |
| 02:44.25 | pygrammer | xmms is using the alsa plugin, so i know it's working |
| 02:44.29 | tarzeau | patty: yes |
| 02:44.46 | pygrammer | and under "sound" in gaim, i have sound method under command, as aplay -dmix %s |
| 02:44.50 | patty | tarzeau, , ahh ok |
| 02:44.57 | pygrammer | but obviously dmix isn't working right |
| 02:45.04 | tarzeau | patty: you have stable, right? |
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| 02:45.09 | pygrammer | as when i stop playing music in xmms, ALL the sounds are flooded to me at once |
| 02:45.11 | patty | tarzeau, , how is ubuntu ?? i have ubuntu |
| 02:45.13 | pygrammer | as they built up in a buffer or something |
| 02:45.15 | antgel | hurd is great. it's like 1990: first code. 1994: first boot. 1999: first keyboard driver. 2005: still no usb support (some of that is accurate) |
| 02:45.19 | patty | 5.04 hoary hedge |
| 02:45.22 | tarzeau | pygrammer: amsn ? |
| 02:45.22 | lunitik | tarzeau: I haven't used it in forever... haven't even been keeping up with the development... still holding hope that not just kFreeBSD is the other kernel for Debian though :) |
| 02:45.27 | kingtux | so do this?? route add -net 192.168.199.0 gw 172.25.25.1 |
| 02:45.35 | pygrammer | tarzeau: can you help me? |
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| 02:45.44 | tarzeau | lunitik: i'm curious about the l4/hurd stuff... |
| 02:45.46 | antgel | kingtux: did you read the route manpage? |
| 02:45.56 | tarzeau | pygrammer: no. but there's fuser -k /dev/dsp and pkill -9 ;) |
| 02:46.18 | antgel | kingtux: wtf are you trying to do? |
| 02:46.27 | pygrammer | tarzeau: umm |
| 02:46.34 | pygrammer | how does that help me? |
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| 02:46.48 | tarzeau | pygrammer: it'll shut the stuff up that you don't want to hear |
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| 02:46.58 | pygrammer | i'm trying to get dmix to work so i can listen to multiple audio sources at the same time |
| 02:46.59 | greycat | hmm, looks like our turkish botmaster is asleep |
| 02:47.02 | kingtux | I'm tring to route traffic on the 192 net through eth1 to 172 gw so they get out |
| 02:47.12 | pygrammer | can SOMEONE please help me with that? |
| 02:47.14 | Quinn_Storm | well if anyone is still here who remembers me...I tried E17...its alright but needs debianized, very flashy...got kde 3.4.1 to select and its installing now... |
| 02:47.23 | Quinn_Storm | kingtux: so far I've only ever been able to do that with iptables & nat |
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| 02:47.28 | jkern | pygrammer, you will need to make a useful .asoundrc to do this, I believe |
| 02:47.51 | antgel | Quinn_Storm: i'll always remember you |
| 02:47.58 | Quinn_Storm | heh |
| 02:48.21 | antgel | kingtux: do you know anything about ip networking under linux? |
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| 02:49.00 | jkern | pygrammer, anyhow, your command as posted here is incorrect, whatever you have in .asoundrc |
| 02:49.00 | atom_z | so... how many teraflops does my computer have ? |
| 02:49.09 | Quinn_Storm | my "router" box does basically that with iptables and nat...I'd rather not use nat b/c I'm already natting once at the nat box that connects to my cable modem... |
| 02:49.27 | Quinn_Storm | unfortunately if I set it up with a regular gateway I get errors that "nexthop redirect" and stuff like that |
| 02:49.47 | moe_ | i am trying to do an apt-get upgrade on my fresh install system and i am getting the errorErrors were encountered while processing: xfree86-common |
| 02:49.56 | dimitri | .oO(Mp³)Oo..oO(Kylie Minouge - Red Blooded Woman)Oo. |
| 02:50.10 | Guerin | dimitri: we don't care about your bad taste in music |
| 02:50.50 | antgel | Quinn_Storm: you always need nat when there's a private network involved. why not make the iptables box a bridge? |
| 02:50.57 | antgel | dimitri: that fucking sucks |
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| 02:51.26 | moe_ | its telling me: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/xfree86-common exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
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| 02:51.52 | Quinn_Storm | antgel: I tried bridging...it failed miserably |
| 02:52.04 | subgv | How to bridge two nic card as one? |
| 02:52.06 | antgel | Quinn_Storm: nah, it definitely works. :) |
| 02:52.14 | justin | Quinn_Storm: why do you have 2 routers? |
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| 02:52.19 | antgel | subgv: eh? |
| 02:52.20 | Quinn_Storm | antgel: I could ping the bridge from both sides but nothing would go across it. I echoed 1 > all sorts of things, etc. |
| 02:52.36 | Quinn_Storm | antgel: I have two routers b/c one is in the other room (wireless) and the router box is in this room bridging back to wired |
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| 02:52.46 | antgel | Quinn_Storm: i have the definitive short bridge script. |
| 02:53.01 | moe_ | seems to have somthing with debian moving to x.org |
| 02:53.02 | Quinn_Storm | antgel: I can try it but I doubt it'll work any better than any other bridging I tried |
| 02:53.06 | CtrlPhreke | anyone else havin' display issues? can someone tell me how to set up x on a board with intel xtreme graphics and an old busted premio monitor? |
| 02:53.08 | moe_ | says areboot should help |
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| 02:53.39 | justin | Quinn_Storm: not all cards can bridge wireless... |
| 02:53.46 | Quinn_Storm | justin: thats what I figured |
| 02:53.51 | Quinn_Storm | justin: from what I read |
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| 02:53.53 | justin | Quinn_Storm: is the other router a linksys or similar? |
| 02:53.56 | Quinn_Storm | justin: though it does bridge under windows |
| 02:54.08 | Quinn_Storm | justin: the other is indeed a nat box, asante |
| 02:54.17 | antgel | Quinn_Storm: you can't bridge wireless afaik. bridge works at ethernet layer |
| 02:54.20 | justin | Quinn_Storm: does it let you add static routes in the setup? |
| 02:54.26 | Quinn_Storm | justin: maybe, I'll have to look |
| 02:54.33 | justin | antgel: you can, just some cards/drivers don't work correctly |
| 02:54.35 | Quinn_Storm | antgel: I -can- bridge with that card under windows |
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| 02:54.43 | Quinn_Storm | though ndiswrapper might just not support bridging |
| 02:54.50 | antgel | justin: really? news to me |
| 02:55.00 | justin | Quinn_Storm: i think the driver has to support monitor mode or something |
| 02:55.19 | Quinn_Storm | justin: ok sounds right. anyway yes I can enter static routes |
| 02:55.28 | antgel | justin: not something that i've come across all that much. much more common to plug in a wap and be done with it. |
| 02:58.08 | CtrlPhreke | if somoene can help me with display issues message me |
| 02:58.08 | Quinn_Storm | justin: I don't know much about it though |
| 02:58.08 | antgel | CtrlPhreke: we're queueing up |
| 02:58.09 | justin | Quinn_Storm: then setup the other router box with one ip on the wireless network, and another IP on a different network, and enable fowarding |
| 02:58.09 | antgel | Quinn_Storm: why don't you just plug a wireless access point into the wired network? |
| 02:58.09 | Quinn_Storm | antgel: cash |
| 02:58.09 | justin | Quinn_Storm: then in the little router box, add a static route for that network new through the other router |
| 02:58.09 | Quinn_Storm | justin: ok, that could work, however what about port forwarding? |
| 02:58.09 | antgel | Quinn_Storm: what's your time worth? how long did it take to fuck around with the bridge, find it didn't work, and setup the router? |
| 02:58.09 | Quinn_Storm | antgel: literally. no cash. |
| 02:58.09 | justin | Quinn_Storm: it will work just fine, just make sure you use 2 different networks, like 192.168.1.0/24 and 192.168.2.0/24 |
| 02:58.09 | Quinn_Storm | justin: my asante doesn't support forwarding to anything but 192.168.123.foo (where 192.168.123 is its configured prefix) |
| 02:58.09 | justin | Quinn_Storm: oh, that sucks :-) |
| 02:58.10 | meds | apt-get remove xdm also tried to get rid of x-window-system but that's only a vitual package right? |
| 02:58.10 | Quinn_Storm | justin: so how do I forward to ports onto the 192.168.1.0/24? oh I can't, ok |
| 02:58.10 | Quinn_Storm | guess I'll stick with iptables nat |
| 02:58.26 | Quinn_Storm | with 2.6.12 at least my network card driver isn't crashing (too much work in interrupt) anymore |
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| 02:58.40 | antgel | Quinn_Storm: fair enough. if i had a spare one i'd send it to you |
| 02:58.50 | stew | meds: yes, apt-cache depends x-window-system ; will tell you what it pulls in |
| 02:58.54 | Quinn_Storm | antgel: heh, its no big deal, the setup works, I just am a perfectionist |
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| 02:59.29 | antgel | Quinn_Storm: most of us are. that's why we finish up with debian |
| 02:59.29 | JeffH | isn't there a changelog.debian.org website that shows changelogs for debian packages? |
| 02:59.29 | dimitri | .oO(Mp³)Oo..oO(Kylie Minouge - On a night like this)Oo. |
| 02:59.42 | antgel | JeffH: aptitude can do that. press C when highlighted package |
| 02:59.51 | antgel | dimitri: what's next, jason donovan? |
| 03:00.20 | JeffH | artgel: can it show me the changelog for the package that isn't upgraded yet? |
| 03:00.38 | antgel | JeffH: yep |
| 03:01.03 | JeffH | sweet.. can I do all that from the command line so I can e-mail the info? |
| 03:01.08 | antgel | JeffH: you running unstable? |
| 03:01.16 | JeffH | artgel: no, sarge |
| 03:01.17 | antgel | JeffH: don't know, but the man page does |
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| 03:01.34 | antgel | ok. still might want to install apt-listbugs |
| 03:01.40 | JeffH | sweet.. not even sure I have aptitude installed right now. |
| 03:01.50 | antgel | and it's a_n_tgel. sort your client out and tab-complete! |
| 03:02.04 | jono | when I installed libapache2-mod-php4 in sarge and go to a PHP site, I keep getting firefox asking if I want to save a .phtml file? why is this? |
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| 03:02.40 | antgel | jono: an external website or one on your own server? |
| 03:02.58 | jono | antgel, on my own server |
| 03:02.59 | subgv | How does the '/etc/mactab' and nameif works, I can't seem to switch the nic interfaces |
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| 03:03.10 | antgel | jono: did you enable the module? |
| 03:03.15 | Debird | jono: flush the cache in Firefox... |
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| 03:04.13 | jono | ahh flushed the cache and it now chucks an error saying it cant find a mysql function |
| 03:04.17 | Debird | i beat my head on the wall the other night with same thing and for me it turned out to be flushing all the cache did the trick |
| 03:04.21 | nitin | guys how do i reconfigure my network settings so i can setup static ip |
| 03:04.27 | jono | I assume there is a mysql php module for apache 2 |
| 03:04.31 | antgel | nitin: rtfm? |
| 03:04.49 | nitin | antgel: what? |
| 03:04.52 | dondelelcaro | nitin: man 5 interfaces; has an example of exactly how to do that. |
| 03:04.53 | antgel | jono: mysql -> php. nothing to do with apache afaik |
| 03:04.54 | jkern | nitin, edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 03:05.01 | mwilson | Why do all these people pretend to administer web servers? |
| 03:05.11 | Debird | jono: ok. so now you are through that problem. move on to the mysql function problem resolution |
| 03:05.36 | patty | tarzeau, u there ? |
| 03:05.40 | Ronin | mwilson: makes em feel important? |
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| 03:05.42 | jono | Debird, does the php4 module for apache1 and apache2 use the same php4-mysql package? |
| 03:05.43 | antgel | !tell patty about u |
| 03:05.54 | antgel | jono: &&& |
| 03:05.59 | asuffield | mwilson: IME, because somebody paid them to |
| 03:06.01 | antgel | jono: ^^^ even |
| 03:06.06 | Debird | not sure. i have been working with Apache2 and PHP5 |
| 03:06.07 | mwilson | Ronin: It must... since they certainly have no idea what they're doing. |
| 03:06.08 | jono | mwilson, huh? |
| 03:06.08 | patty | damn at antgel |
| 03:06.26 | patty | links2 isnt a graphics supporter |
| 03:06.26 | asuffield | if you're getting paid for something then you don't need to be any good at it |
| 03:06.26 | jono | antgel, eh? |
| 03:06.28 | antgel | patty: excuse me? |
| 03:06.30 | mwilson | patty: Since when? |
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| 03:06.51 | antgel | jono: i don't think the php-mysql package cares about webserver version |
| 03:07.03 | zebalin2 | My ~ .xsession-errors file has over 2 million lines of errors like this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/1iTgmv97.html I know its from Firefox 106-2. How can I stop them besides symlink to /dev/null? |
| 03:07.12 | jono | antgel, this is a php problem, it cant find the mysql php extension |
| 03:07.14 | Debird | but if you are getting a fatal error in the browser instead of it wanting to save the file, you have solved one problem and now need to work on the fatal error problem (assuming that is what is going on based on what you said) |
| 03:07.24 | antgel | jono: as you will see if you do apt-cache show php4-mysql |
| 03:07.25 | zebalin2 | I run Kanotix with KDE. |
| 03:07.30 | antgel | jono: did you install the package? |
| 03:07.33 | mwilson | zebalin2: So? |
| 03:07.33 | patty | i ran links2 thru my terminal, but graphics isnt loading |
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| 03:08.00 | zebalin2 | mwilson: 2 million error lines? Wouldn't you be a bit intrigued? |
| 03:08.02 | jono | antgel, I installed it and use php4-mysql with apache1 - so libapache2-mod-php4 uses php4-mysql too? |
| 03:08.11 | jono | if so I can fix it |
| 03:08.18 | antgel | jono: yes, that's what i have said three times |
| 03:08.34 | jono | antgel, sorry, my foo not quite up to yours :) |
| 03:08.37 | mwilson | zebalin2: I was referring to the fact that you run Kanotix, not Debian. Why do you think #debian is the solution to your problem? |
| 03:08.56 | Debird | jono: its different versions for apache1 and apache2 |
| 03:09.10 | jono | Debird, different versions of what? |
| 03:09.23 | antgel | jono: apt-cache show php4-mysql. you can see it makes no mention of webserver at all |
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| 03:09.56 | patty | pls tell me how to run links2 ? |
| 03:09.58 | zebalin2 | mwilson: if you can't answer the question, give it a rest. |
| 03:10.03 | Gnea | ah yup, switching back to gcc 3.4 fixed it |
| 03:10.12 | antgel | zebalin2: if you can't read the topic, give it a rest. |
| 03:10.17 | mwilson | zebalin2: Hw would I be able to answer it? You don't run Debian. |
| 03:10.29 | antgel | !tell zebalin2 about not debian |
| 03:10.37 | mombof | i got a uirky nic that has to have the media type set how would i set it to 10/100FD? |
| 03:10.40 | jono | antgel, you dont get my problem? dont worry |
| 03:10.44 | hyperstream | how do i add a registery key to wine? |
| 03:10.49 | Debird | jono: take the exact error text from the browser and google on it. |
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| 03:11.13 | antgel | zebalin2: although it's not in the topic, so i apologise |
| 03:11.22 | jono | Debird, all I want to know is if php4 for apache 1 and apache 2 need different php4-mysql packages |
| 03:11.23 | Caelum | hyperstream: run regedt32, I think there's even a copy of something like it in wine |
| 03:11.33 | pygrammer | jkern: sorry, was afk |
| 03:11.38 | antgel | jono: THERE IS ONE PACKAGE |
| 03:11.50 | jono | antgel, jees calm down |
| 03:11.52 | pygrammer | i don't have anything in .asroundrc |
| 03:11.55 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Please add 'not debian" back to the topic... |
| 03:12.05 | pygrammer | i made a /etc/asound.conf as per http://www.pseudorandom.co.uk/2004/debian/alsa/ |
| 03:12.12 | Caelum | hyperstream: you can load .reg files with it too |
| 03:12.22 | zebalin2 | Again, if you don't know the answer, just say so. Don't give me the RTFM lecture. I've been with Deb before you were born. |
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| 03:12.34 | chealer | can #debian request extra /topic length to freenode? I'm willing to contribute some money :-P |
| 03:12.37 | antgel | jono: jeez, please read what i've bothered to type to help you three times |
| 03:12.40 | Ronin | wow youre really old then zebalin2 |
| 03:12.41 | mwilson | zebalin2: No one's yet told you to RTFM. |
| 03:12.46 | krypto | please matate fep |
| 03:12.47 | krypto | XD |
| 03:12.56 | jono | antgel, chill out dude, you didnt make that clear |
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| 03:13.00 | mwilson | zebalin2: People have told you twice that Kanotix is not Debian, however. |
| 03:13.09 | zebalin2 | Ronin: you got that right. Started in computers with Ross Perot in 1975. I'm older than God! |
| 03:13.20 | Debird | jono: google the error text that is in the browser |
| 03:13.24 | pygrammer | do i need to upgrade from alsa 1.0.8-3 to 1.9? |
| 03:13.29 | Ronin | yet still dont know debian from kanotix? funny |
| 03:13.30 | pygrammer | to utilize dmix? |
| 03:13.47 | pygrammer | again, ALSA works; just trying to get dmix to work |
| 03:13.50 | jkern | pygrammer, anyhow, your command as posted here is incorrect, whatever you have in .asoundrc |
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| 03:14.05 | pygrammer | i don't HAVE an .asoundrc |
| 03:14.11 | pygrammer | so what is the proper command? |
| 03:14.12 | antgel | zebalin2: are you a troll and do you think we care how long you have been involved with debian? if you've been involved that long, you'd read the topic as a matter of courtesy and course. |
| 03:14.13 | zebalin2 | mwilson: ok, you win. Kanotix is not Debian. But if it WAS Debian is there any clue you might have as to why .xsession-errors fills up so quickly with errors? Is that fair enough to ask here? Sheeh! |
| 03:14.25 | hyperstream | Caelum, ahh where is regedit32 located? |
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| 03:14.42 | Ronin | zebalin2: i assume you asked in #kanotix? |
| 03:15.03 | JunK-Y | when im trying to build zaptel, im always getting http://pastebin.com/348158 any ways i could solve my problem? |
| 03:15.08 | jkern | pygrammer, google alsa wiki, for some examples |
| 03:15.29 | pygrammer | jkern: their site is down. |
| 03:15.32 | beardy | zebalin2: Something is wrong. Read the file. |
| 03:15.39 | jkern | pygrammer, man aplay for command |
| 03:15.58 | zebalin2 | Ronin: yes, I have. So far no takers. We know it's coming from some gdk rendering module that is either missing or borked. Does not effect FF. I'm just curious as to what is going on. |
| 03:16.01 | subgv | How to bridge two nic cards? |
| 03:16.05 | Gnea | JunK-Y: you're building for 64bit? |
| 03:16.18 | antgel | JunK-Y: don't compile as root for starters |
| 03:16.23 | Gnea | subgv: http://www.tldp.org read the bridge howto |
| 03:16.27 | JunK-Y | gnea: nope, its an XP1800+ |
| 03:16.41 | tbj | hi, i have been using aptitude for package selection for some time, and i would like to use dselect now, how can i clear the 'selection settings', so that dselect does not automatically uninstall a whole bunch of packages that i want to keep? |
| 03:16.43 | Gnea | JunK-Y: you sure it's not for a 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:16.44 | JunK-Y | antgel: ok next step? |
| 03:16.51 | JunK-Y | yes sure. |
| 03:16.53 | Ronin | so why ask here if they're not in? i dont go to #redhat to ask about mandrake etc. |
| 03:16.56 | Caelum | hyperstream: do you have access to a windows partition? |
| 03:16.59 | beardy | tbj: Don't. Keep using aptitude. |
| 03:17.04 | JunK-Y | i had it running like 2 days ago on another machine. |
| 03:17.06 | antgel | JunK-Y: where did you get the source? |
| 03:17.12 | JunK-Y | from their cvs. |
| 03:17.25 | Gnea | JunK-Y: perhaps they changed code? |
| 03:17.29 | antgel | JunK-Y: will the debian package not do? |
| 03:17.33 | tbj | i don't want to keep using aptitude, i want to know how to use dselect now |
| 03:17.36 | JunK-Y | antgel: (i mean zaptel) rest is all debian packages. |
| 03:17.48 | beardy | tbj: Why? |
| 03:17.49 | ifup | hello can someone help me or point me in the right direction I am running SID and my grub bootloader no longer does an automatic count down |
| 03:17.59 | JunK-Y | Gnea: nothing has changed, ive confirmation it works fine on 2.4.x |
| 03:18.00 | Gnea | tbj: dselect is deprecated |
| 03:18.04 | Debird | beardy: aptitude uses its own database.... correct? |
| 03:18.05 | antgel | JunK-Y: i mean zaptel as well. why aren't you using the debian package? |
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| 03:18.22 | mwilson | Gnea: Which is unfortunate, considering how poor aptitude is. |
| 03:18.22 | jkern | pygrammer, sorry, I don't know about /etc/asound.conf, no expert eh, but I will check it out. Thanks |
| 03:18.26 | antgel | JunK-Y: clearly _something_ has changed |
| 03:18.27 | JunK-Y | antgel: cause i need some new code, not yet added to zaptel. |
| 03:18.29 | kamaraju | !tell kamaraju about java |
| 03:18.32 | JunK-Y | (deb pck) |
| 03:18.35 | Gnea | mwilson: true, i don't use either |
| 03:18.36 | pygrammer | jkern: well, is dmix working on your machine? |
| 03:18.40 | pygrammer | this is unbelievably frustrating |
| 03:18.49 | antgel | JunK-Y: you mean the zaptel-source package? |
| 03:18.50 | pygrammer | all I want to do is get dmix to work so i can play fucking multiple audio sources |
| 03:18.56 | grub | dammit i wish i could change my nick back |
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| 03:19.04 | kamaraju | !tell kamaraju install java |
| 03:19.12 | tbj | all i want to know is how to clear the cache of selections so that dselect will start with a 'fresh' package list |
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| 03:19.27 | kamaraju | !tell kamaraju <install java> |
| 03:19.32 | JunK-Y | antgel: no, i mean the regular zaptel pck. |
| 03:19.32 | antgel | tbj: why do you care? just install what you want and deinstall what you don't |
| 03:19.34 | Ronin | kamaraju: just msg the darn bot |
| 03:19.37 | tbj | i don't want all kinds of settings for package selections from aptitude in there |
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| 03:19.49 | pygrammer | so aplay -Ddmix bla.mp3 doesn't work? |
| 03:19.51 | antgel | JunK-Y: so - i ask again - why aren't you using the zaptel-source package? |
| 03:19.52 | pygrammer | apparently not |
| 03:19.57 | Gnea | tbj: just ditch all that crap and use apt-* on the command line |
| 03:19.59 | Caelum | ifup: at the top put default=saved and timeout=5 and in every section, put savedefault |
| 03:20.02 | Debird | tbj: I think i read where apt-get, aptitude and the others use their own dbs. if that is correct then you will screw your system up by using one method for one pkg and a different method for others. before you get started just make sure its ok with you to break your system |
| 03:20.09 | pygrammer | aplay: set_params:857: Sample format non available |
| 03:20.15 | zebalin2 | Ok, well thanks for listening. I thought someone would know the issue, but guess not. bye. |
| 03:20.17 | JunK-Y | antgel: cause i need cvs-head version (with all the recent change). |
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| 03:20.36 | kamaraju | Ronin: Thanks. |
| 03:20.38 | tbj | i just want to know the command, someone was kind enough to tell me straight up before and unfortunately i didn't write it down |
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| 03:20.39 | jkern | pygrammer, yes If you did the asound.conf correctly it seems to me it should work but your command syntax was not correct, IIRC |
| 03:20.43 | antgel | JunK-Y: did you know that the zaptel-source package exists? |
| 03:20.52 | tbj | yes, i know it might break, i'm having a problem with aptitude |
| 03:21.06 | Debird | indeed you are tbj |
| 03:21.16 | JunK-Y | antgel: not til 5 min. but isnt the point, i need a fresh checkout directly from their cvs. |
| 03:21.17 | Gnea | tbj: if you must utilize a gui, i would suggest synaptic - it's for X, but unlike dselect and aptitude, it works like it should instead of assuming things |
| 03:21.19 | tbj | packages have been broken for like 2 months, i'm pretty sure it's aptitude's fault |
| 03:21.36 | pygrammer | well, jkern, man says it should; dmix is a pcm device |
| 03:21.37 | antgel | JunK-Y: it is the point, how do you know it's no good if you didn't know it exists? |
| 03:21.39 | pygrammer | and -D is just a flag |
| 03:21.44 | Debird | tbj: good to see you are on top of it. |
| 03:21.50 | pygrammer | and bla.mp3 is the name of the mp3 or wav file |
| 03:21.50 | tbj | i mean like 200 packages and dependencies, i'm sick of putting them all on hold |
| 03:21.54 | antgel | JunK-Y: are these two boxes sarge ones? |
| 03:22.02 | tbj | now it wants to uninstall kde for me |
| 03:22.05 | antgel | tbj: are you using sarge? |
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| 03:22.21 | jkern | pygrammer, did your try aplay - |
| 03:22.34 | iamnow | what do we expect this technology as standard? http://www.tinmith.net/demos.htm |
| 03:22.36 | tbj | no, i'm using unstable |
| 03:22.38 | jkern | pygrammer, did you try aplay - |
| 03:22.39 | Gnea | tbj: well i just told you what the only true answers to your problems will be. if you choose not to heed them then that is your own fault and your own problem. |
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| 03:23.07 | jkern | pygrammer, shit! try aplay -D dmix soundfile |
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| 03:23.09 | tbj | okay, i guess i'll try synaptic |
| 03:23.10 | Gnea | tbj: but maybe someone who knows aptitude well enought can actually provide |
| 03:23.12 | antgel | tbj: well don't complain then, and if it wants to install kde, is that because you grabbed it from a non-debian repository? |
| 03:23.32 | antgel | tbj: you're blaming aptitude for what you told it to do |
| 03:23.43 | ifup | Caelum, I will try it thanks! |
| 03:23.44 | tbj | don't tell not to complain, i wasn't |
| 03:23.47 | tbj | +me |
| 03:23.52 | tbj | jesus |
| 03:23.57 | Gnea | heh |
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| 03:24.01 | Gnea | !beer tbj |
| 03:24.06 | Gnea | time to relaaaaaax |
| 03:24.20 | Debird | tbj: if you have stable and unstable lines in your sources.list, aptitude is going to pickup everything in both stable and unstable. |
| 03:24.28 | pygrammer | jkern: it seems it stores the commands up in a buffer until i stop using /dev/dsp |
| 03:24.36 | pygrammer | thus, when i closed xmms, it played back all the sounds |
| 03:24.40 | antgel | who does that? :) |
| 03:24.51 | pygrammer | except for the one you just gave me, to which it returned this error: aplay: set_params:857: Sample format non available |
| 03:24.53 | JunK-Y | antgel: u saw my messages? |
| 03:25.03 | antgel | JunK-Y: you must be kidding. |
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| 03:25.13 | antgel | !topicsmite JunK-Y |
| 03:25.14 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon JunK-Y. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:25.15 | Debird | tbj: now when you run aptitude you have to be very careful because it is going to perhaps try to upgrade stuff you don't want it to and not necessarily upgrade the pkgs you do want to upgrade |
| 03:25.16 | tbj | my problem is probably linked to having some experimental packages not set up properly in the priorities file |
| 03:25.37 | antgel | tbj: ah, you've chucked experimental into the mix as well :D |
| 03:25.37 | stew | tbj: when you say "dpkg -l" the first column is desired, second column is actual. the ones where the two columns differ are the ones you are looking for |
| 03:25.53 | beardy | haha, there it came.. |
| 03:25.55 | ifup | Caelum, so instead of Default 0 put in default = saved |
| 03:26.00 | JunK-Y | in what the topic is related? |
| 03:26.11 | antgel | !tell JunK-Y about msg |
| 03:26.12 | hyperstream | Caelum, no i dont . i just installed wine tho |
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| 03:26.20 | dondelelcaro | JunK-Y: the /msg bots NOT people; part. |
| 03:26.23 | jkern | pygrammer, did you try aplay -D dmix ?? |
| 03:26.33 | pygrammer | YES |
| 03:26.47 | pygrammer | and i got the error |
| 03:26.48 | pygrammer | aplay: set_params:857: Sample format non available |
| 03:26.52 | patty | links isnt supporting graphics.. |
| 03:27.07 | antgel | tbj: decide what you want to track. if stable, reinstall. if unstable, remove the crap from sources.list and let aptitude upgrade. |
| 03:27.10 | Caelum | ifup: yup |
| 03:27.13 | Debird | tbj: if you have mixed stable, unstable, and testing, dselect is NOT going to do anything but mangle the box up more. |
| 03:27.23 | JunK-Y | k, sorry about it. |
| 03:27.29 | Caelum | ifup: that will launch the last thing you booted by default after a timeout, which is probably what you want |
| 03:27.38 | antgel | JunK-Y: so i didn't see your /msg |
| 03:27.44 | ifup | Caelum, yep thanks |
| 03:27.46 | mwilson | patty: links doesn't. Links2 does. |
| 03:28.02 | jkern | pygrammer, this was a pain when I did this a year or two ago How about joining #flood and I will paste in my ~/.asoundrc -- no guarantees :) |
| 03:28.15 | pygrammer | jkern: good deal |
| 03:28.16 | patty | even links2 isnt supporting graphics |
| 03:28.17 | tbj | no, i'm only tracking unstable, i think the problem is that some experimental packages i installed long ago and have kept on hold are screwing everything up |
| 03:28.22 | kamaraju | In the location bar of konqueror, when we enter file:///home/ etc., it automatically shows the list of possible completions. But firefox does not show this. It only shows the list of locations that have been accessed before. How can I get konqueror kind of behaviour in firefox? using sid if that matters. |
| 03:28.25 | mwilson | patty: If you say so. |
| 03:28.27 | patty | how to open links2 ? in terminal , right ? |
| 03:28.40 | antgel | tbj: so go into aptitude, unhold the packages, and upgrade. |
| 03:28.51 | pygrammer | jkern: in #flood |
| 03:29.14 | Caelum | hyperstream: dunno what to tell you, there doesn't seem to be a utility in wine itself. If you just want to type in a key, you can hand edit ~/.wine/system.reg and ~/.wine/user.reg |
| 03:29.25 | antgel | kamaraju: it may not be a feature. you could _try_ checking bugzilla. |
| 03:29.36 | hyperstream | ahh i see |
| 03:29.46 | beardy | kamaraju: Google for some plugin for firefox? |
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| 03:30.18 | kamaraju | antgel: beardy: I dont know what to search for? what is this feature called? |
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| 03:30.47 | beardy | kamaraju: "automatic filename completion" ? |
| 03:30.57 | antgel | kamaraju: fuck knows. try #firefox on mozilla's irc server. |
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| 03:32.38 | ifup | Caelum, well That did not work Oh well.. It used to countdown it must have broke after one to many apt-get update :) |
| 03:33.28 | Caelum | ifup: did you add the timeout=5 at the top? |
| 03:34.04 | TraceGreen | Hello, Does anyone try to use captive module to mount ntfs partitions? |
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| 03:34.44 | ifup | Caelum, yes I already had it there its been working faithfully for over a year. It just stop working the other day. |
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| 03:34.51 | beardy | TraceGreen: Probably, please ask your question instead. |
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| 03:35.33 | Caelum | ifup: weird... any recent kernel updates? |
| 03:36.29 | TraceGreen | beardy, sorry, i try to compile captive module in my kernel, but without luck. It always told me lack of ntoskrnl.exe, but actually, i have get it. |
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| 03:37.02 | kamaraju | beardy: google was not much help. Tried searching in extensions pages but to no avail. I guess firefox does not have that feature. |
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| 03:37.07 | ifup | no been running 2.6.10-1-k7 since its release |
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| 03:38.07 | beardy | kamaraju: No it probably hasn't. The reason konqueror has it is because it is meant to be used as a filemanager, as well as a web browser. |
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| 03:38.22 | subgv | what is that program to configure the timezone? tz... |
| 03:38.30 | beardy | subgv: tzconfig ? |
| 03:38.37 | kamaraju | beardy: ok. Thanks for your time. |
| 03:38.52 | kamaraju | subgv: tzconfig |
| 03:38.53 | beardy | kamaraju: np |
| 03:39.05 | majnoon | ok anyone know how to CONVERT an existing setup to FULL debian?? |
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| 03:39.27 | Gnea | majnoon: burn an iso and boot it, hit enter a few times |
| 03:39.27 | subgv | thx |
| 03:39.34 | beardy | majnoon: convert from some other distribution? |
| 03:39.34 | kamaraju | majnoon: You need to tell what "existing setup" is. |
| 03:40.03 | bucky | apt-get install tasksel and run it |
| 03:40.09 | majnoon | i have a mepis setup AND a damnsmall linux setup bot debian BASED |
| 03:40.11 | beardy | !d-i majnoon |
| 03:40.13 | dpkg | majnoon, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:40.44 | majnoon | want to convert mepis to debian |
| 03:40.53 | FieldySnuts | ~pal majnoon |
| 03:40.56 | beardy | !not debian |
| 03:40.57 | dpkg | Knoppix isn't, Ubuntu isn't, Libranet isn't, Morphix isn't, lnx-bbc isn't, *your* installation you have right now ISN'T.... see if there is a channel available relevant to your distribution, if not, tough. Your questions do not belong here! |
| 03:40.58 | Gnea | but mepis is based upon debian |
| 03:41.12 | FieldySnuts | ~hire Gnea |
| 03:41.17 | apt | ACTION hires Gnea along with geordie as a McDonalds Floor Mopper, 3rd shift, at 15 euros/hour to start |
| 03:41.18 | Gnea | majnoon: what part of mepis do you want to 'convert'? |
| 03:41.18 | beardy | !debian based |
| 03:41.19 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 03:41.26 | majnoon | some one gave me link that had scripts to do it |
| 03:41.28 | FieldySnuts | preemptively: |
| 03:41.33 | FieldySnuts | @they don't know |
| 03:41.34 | ravenbird | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 03:41.56 | Gnea | majnoon: oh yeah? url? |
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| 03:42.07 | majnoon | last few times tried chroot install base-config no work |
| 03:42.12 | beardy | majnoon: Reinstall using the sarge netinstaller, or the sarge cd images. |
| 03:42.17 | majnoon | no remember :( |
| 03:42.51 | beardy | majnoon: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
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| 03:44.00 | Gnea | majnoon: it's not in your browser history? |
| 03:44.08 | Debird | can anyone tell me their experience running sid on amd64 box running lamp (apache2, mysql 4.1, php5)? |
| 03:44.12 | majnoon | not sure |
| 03:44.22 | Gnea | so find out |
| 03:44.28 | beardy | !polls |
| 03:44.29 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 03:45.45 | majnoon | cleared history :( |
| 03:46.07 | beardy | What is he looking for? |
| 03:46.26 | Gnea | a url he claims someone gave him that has scripts to convert mepis to debian |
| 03:46.43 | majnoon | it was in dpkg bot |
| 03:46.55 | ifup | Does anyone know howto get an x gui app to open via ssh on my local desktop??? I added X11Forwarding yes to the sshd_config still no working |
| 03:46.56 | sward | !debtakeover |
| 03:46.56 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 03:47.00 | majnoon | THAT much me remember |
| 03:47.10 | beardy | !mepis |
| 03:47.11 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 03:47.23 | SimonRaven | @ff |
| 03:47.24 | ravenbird | from memory, ff is even in dutch |
| 03:47.32 | Gnea | interesting. |
| 03:47.36 | majnoon | me think takeover one right |
| 03:48.13 | beardy | It's a LIVECD!! Just install sarge. |
| 03:48.16 | FieldySnuts | @ff SimonRaven |
| 03:48.17 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: fartfish |
| 03:48.23 | stew | debtakover doesn't want to run from debian derivatives |
| 03:48.37 | stew | i believe that it craps out if you have a /etc/debian_version file |
| 03:48.39 | zirikili | !kurumin |
| 03:48.39 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 03:48.45 | majnoon | THAT it |
| 03:49.14 | beardy | Damn, sunday indeed.. |
| 03:49.34 | FieldySnuts | ~permasunday |
| 03:49.37 | apt | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday |
| 03:51.12 | Gnea | that happens opposite of permanoobsday |
| 03:51.17 | SimonRaven | if you have an /etc/debian_version file you can just run debootstrap.... ;) |
| 03:51.24 | stew | yes |
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| 03:51.36 | SimonRaven | duh =) |
| 03:51.55 | FieldySnuts | sif, n00bs |
| 03:52.53 | Area-51 | im trying to compile kernel 2.6.12.5 on my debian testing system, but when i try to make an initrd, i have a problem... "mkinitrd -o /boot/bzImage-2.6.12.5 2.6.12.5" and get "find: /lib/modules/2.6.12.5/kernel/drivers/ide: No such file or directory" but everything compiled just fine... i did make, make modules install, and now im here... any ideas? |
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| 03:53.27 | stew | Area-51: any reason you arent using make-kpkg? |
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| 03:53.44 | mwilson | Hrm, where's gravity when you want to talk to him... |
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| 03:53.51 | AprilDL | !seen karsten |
| 03:53.52 | dpkg | karsten <n=karsten@o1-dialup-66-81-222-8.rev.o1.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 1h 16m 44s ago, saying: 'deadcat: ... shoot it to me in email, remind me of this conversation, I'll see about it.'. |
| 03:53.56 | majnoon | last few times i tried chroot install it says terminated when i try base-config new |
| 03:54.18 | Area-51 | stew: because i never have before, i didnt like the idea of compiling it then making a debian package then installing it |
| 03:54.24 | mwilson | !lastseen gravity |
| 03:54.31 | SimonRaven | Area-51: uh, what? |
| 03:54.32 | mwilson | !seen gravity |
| 03:54.33 | stew | s/last// |
| 03:54.33 | dpkg | gravity <n=david@pool-141-149-173-173.bos.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7h 2m 51s ago, saying: 'I didn't even bother to pick up Vapor Trails'. |
| 03:54.42 | mwilson | fsck |
| 03:55.00 | Area-51 | ... |
| 03:55.06 | Dr_Z2A | can anyone help me out with a little problem? |
| 03:55.17 | Area-51 | thats how ive always made my own kernel |
| 03:55.32 | jkern | Dr_Z2A, we don't know what the problem is. |
| 03:55.44 | Area-51 | and this time mkinitrd is spitting back something that i dont think it should, but i think it was recently updated in a dist-upgrade a couple of days ago |
| 03:55.47 | beardy | Area-51: What's wrong with that? Keeps everything where it should be, and when you purge the package, everything goes with it not leaving files spread out everywhere. |
| 03:55.48 | Dr_Z2A | ok ill tell you guys then, one sec |
| 03:56.43 | Area-51 | beardy: and when done like this files arent spread out everwhere... |
| 03:56.45 | Dr_Z2A | ok so i installed debian and i went to boot it up and it stopped booting like halfway through, last thing it said was "usb.c: registered new drivr hub" |
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| 03:56.57 | Dr_Z2A | anybody have any ideas of what i should do? |
| 03:56.59 | Area-51 | instead of ridiculing me for making a kernel the straight forward way, how about some help? :P |
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| 03:57.10 | Quinn_Storm | Area-51: what are you having trouble with? |
| 03:57.35 | Area-51 | Quinn_Storm: when i try to mkinitrd to kernel 2.6.12.5 i get the error "find: /lib/modules/2.6.12.5/kernel/drivers/ide: No such file or directory" |
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| 03:57.50 | Area-51 | Quinn_Storm: and everything compiled just fine, so im kindof at a loss right now |
| 03:58.02 | Quinn_Storm | well is that module there? |
| 03:58.41 | Area-51 | hmm, it should be... |
| 03:58.44 | Area-51 | 2 sec |
| 03:59.23 | Area-51 | ide is built into the kernel, its not a module |
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| 03:59.41 | swim | hey folks |
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| 04:00.32 | majnoon | ok mounted mepis install now TRYING bootstrrap see what happens |
| 04:00.55 | beardy | Area-51: My intention was not to ridicule you. I just don't agree with the idea that compiling, packaging and installing is that bothersome, I find compiling and copying files manually, and keeping track of them, if you have several kernels, is not as fun. |
| 04:00.58 | majnoon | if no work me STILL having fun |
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| 04:01.49 | Area-51 | beardy: ok, sorry for my misinterpretation, but i think doing it this way is easier to manage for me, imho of course, and its always worked for me in the past :) |
| 04:02.12 | swim | having a problem with nvidia. I recently installed sarge, then i installed kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, and libc6-i686, and rebooted, then i installed x-window-system then nvidia-modules via module-assistant, finally gnome... if i startx with nvidia as my driver, then after a few seconds the screen locks up, and I cant even ctrl+alt+bckspc out of X, I cant move or do anything at all, so I have to hard reboot... |
| 04:02.22 | patty | guys, how do i configure automount in ubuntu ? |
| 04:02.38 | majnoon | !!notdebian |
| 04:02.58 | Quinn_Storm | only one ! |
| 04:02.58 | beardy | patty: ask your distributions channel. |
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| 04:02.59 | Quinn_Storm | !not debian |
| 04:03.00 | dpkg | Knoppix isn't, Ubuntu isn't, Libranet isn't, Morphix isn't, lnx-bbc isn't, *your* installation you have right now ISN'T.... see if there is a channel available relevant to your distribution, if not, tough. Your questions do not belong here! |
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| 04:03.34 | jkern | swim, you could try the "nv" driver until you sort it out. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 04:04.25 | swim | jkern, yes thats what im using, and how i know that the problem is related directly to nvidia drivers... but i want to use the nvidia drivers |
| 04:04.52 | nicoal | is there anything akin in debian to the "local" service from gentoo? |
| 04:05.14 | beardy | nicoal: What does it do? |
| 04:05.26 | nicoal | beardy, just local tweaking stuff |
| 04:05.33 | SimonRaven | such as? |
| 04:05.39 | jkern | swim, naturally, they seem to work for me on 2.6.12.5 for now |
| 04:05.49 | ifup | Can someone Help me?? how to I get X to run remote apps? from a box I am SSH'd into?? |
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| 04:05.52 | EasterSunshine | postfix is reponsible for sending mail on port 25 when i use kmail, mutt, or evolution, or thunderbird? as well as receiving it on port 25 and putting it into /var/mail/ ? |
| 04:06.15 | jkern | swim, sorry, I am running sid/unstable so my advice is not the best eh |
| 04:06.21 | nicoal | user-specified commands go in /etc/conf.d/local.start; I can make my own "startup tweaks" script, but I don't know if that's the "debian way" |
| 04:06.34 | beardy | ifup: If you read what you said carefully, it doesn't really make sense. |
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| 04:06.47 | deadcat | karsten__: ? |
| 04:06.53 | nicoal | ifup, ssh -X user@host |
| 04:07.36 | beardy | ifup: I think I saw you saying you had enabled it in your sshd config? Have you closed your ssh session and started a new one since then? |
| 04:07.50 | ifup | beardy, Sorry I am ssh'd into my other debian box and I want to run an app from it on my deb laptop |
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| 04:08.08 | Area-51 | so, where would the 'ide' device driver option be hiding in the menuconfig for 2.6.12.5? im almost positive ive got my ide all setup, just like before... bollocks :P |
| 04:08.38 | mwilson | fsck |
| 04:08.41 | mwilson | !seen gravity |
| 04:08.42 | dpkg | gravity <n=david@pool-141-149-173-173.bos.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7h 17m ago, saying: 'I didn't even bother to pick up Vapor Trails'. |
| 04:08.53 | deadcat | mwilson: -6 out? |
| 04:08.55 | majnoon | ok re formated mepis partition |
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| 04:08.59 | Area-51 | mwilson: lost gravity control on your cruiser again eh? ;P |
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| 04:09.02 | ifup | nicoal, THANKS that did it. |
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| 04:09.20 | Area-51 | damn American gravity generators... always on the fritz :\ |
| 04:10.19 | Area-51 | ok, im done :P |
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| 04:10.43 | Wojciech | Hi everyone. I'm currently working on an open source / open access project for an organization in Africa. We recieved a laptop donation -- 200 MHz, 24 RAM -- and I'm wondering if there is any way in heck I can install Debain (with a window manager) and something that allows text editing (i.e. OpenOffice) and graphics editing? Any advice would be appreciated. |
| 04:10.46 | Lorrand | pessoal eu tava copilando o amule só que na copilação deu no em alguns arquivos como fasso para instalar tal arquivos? |
| 04:10.48 | majnoon | ok trying chroot install AGAIN |
| 04:11.04 | bucky | America only has the intelligent design gravity |
| 04:11.20 | nicoal | ifup, np |
| 04:11.24 | Area-51 | jkern: canadians are like russians, it doesnt break, but if it does, duct tape will fix everything ^.^ |
| 04:11.31 | mwilson | deadcat: -6? I have no idea. |
| 04:11.49 | mwilson | deadcat: I'm hoping to get him to include a 6.8.1 patch that he seems to have skipped. |
| 04:11.52 | jkern | Red Green, amen |
| 04:12.09 | Area-51 | true true :) |
| 04:12.23 | zirikili | Lorrand: #debian-br |
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| 04:13.01 | jkern | Wojciech, I believe you are very short on RAM for this project |
| 04:13.03 | mwilson | deadcat: Specifically... corrected support for a Sun Type 6 keyboard. |
| 04:13.06 | majnoon | i'll keep you updated (if possible) |
| 04:13.35 | deadcat | mwilson: ah |
| 04:14.10 | Wojciech | jkern: that's what I was afraid of. Do you (or anyone else here) know of anything I can do with this? I'm probably going to end up buying a few computers that are more powerful, but it'd be a shame to waste this one. Right now it has Windows 95 with Word 97 installed -- is this the best i can do? |
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| 04:14.42 | poncho | Hello! |
| 04:15.31 | jkern | Wojciech, a sad thought but you may be right. |
| 04:15.54 | Wojciech | Fair enough. I guess open source will have to wait. :-) |
| 04:16.11 | beardy | Wojciech: If you could find more RAM for it, it could be made into a nice box. |
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| 04:16.33 | jkern | Wojciech, perhaps there is a version of X that is small enough but it would be hard to find. there was a Tiny-X many years ago. |
| 04:16.50 | Gnea | ugh |
| 04:17.07 | Gnea | now everytime i play q3 it locks the system up |
| 04:17.19 | Gnea | maybe i need a new game.... |
| 04:17.23 | Wojciech | beardy: is it worth the effort, though? I could get a refurbished laptop for $400. I'm not sure if 120 Mhz will be good enough for GIMP, Open Office, etc... |
| 04:17.29 | jkern | Wojciech, how big is the drive? Getting more RAM is the key thing as beardy says |
| 04:17.41 | Wojciech | 6 or 7 gigs. |
| 04:17.41 | Quinn_Storm | Wojciech: no, 120MHz won't be...especially with low ram |
| 04:17.50 | Quinn_Storm | not for the GIMP or OO |
| 04:17.50 | beardy | Wojciech: I thought you said 200MHz? |
| 04:17.51 | Gnea | Wojciech: that won't cut it. |
| 04:18.03 | Quinn_Storm | OO is a beast |
| 04:18.07 | bullweivel | mysql_server question.... has anyone got the apt-get install of mysql_server using TESTING working ??? it dont install right and im trying to figure out why...folks in mysql are lost and not telling me anything special to help figure it out. |
| 04:18.11 | Wojciech | Is there any alternative to OO? |
| 04:18.17 | jkern | Wojciech, wasn't it 200MHz? |
| 04:18.42 | beardy | Wojciech: Abiword, gnumeric, and so on, yes plenty. |
| 04:18.43 | Wojciech | And sorry about that, it's 120 Mhz. I'm actually travellning right now, so I don't have it with me. My mistake. |
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| 04:19.14 | Wojciech | Beardy: awesome. Any graphics edtiors? if I can't get a decent Linux distro on it, I might as well just try the software |
| 04:19.23 | jkern | Wojciech, and then there is the issue of the video hardware eh |
| 04:19.28 | mwilson | bullweivel: <shrug> Isn't that the documented issue with mysql-common vs the server package itself? The password setting? |
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| 04:19.50 | mwilson | bullweivel: I know there were at least two idiots reporting the same bug. |
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| 04:20.05 | beardy | Wojciech: Those programs probably wants a lot of power too, but not as much as openoffice |
| 04:20.12 | Wojciech | jkern: oh gosh, yes. :) I was hoping I wouldn't have to touch the hardware. This machine doesn't have to do any amazing work, just function well enough to use for text editing and graphics, which it does now, though I'm pretty anal about making it open source. |
| 04:20.15 | jkern | Wojciech, I am not sure beardy was reassuring you about the RAM |
| 04:20.41 | bullweivel | mwilson: hrmm... what password setting issue? remember where you saw it ? im getting this error when starting: 050827 23:19:35 /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown variable 'old_passwords=1' But if i comment that out, well it still doesnt fix it. |
| 04:20.48 | jkern | Wojciech, No, just that laptop hardware may be a problem for X Window |
| 04:21.00 | mwilson | Yes, that's the documented issue. |
| 04:21.18 | mwilson | There were at least two bug reports about it. |
| 04:21.50 | bullweivel | mwilson: yeah... i think i found that... but the fix was to comment it out..but that didnt fix it for me... you talking about a debian bug or mysql bug report??? |
| 04:21.52 | Wojciech | jkern: Good point. All right, I will try the text and graphics editors on the laptop then instead. If it doesn't work, I'll uninstall it. I'll leave it as Windows 95 (or move to Win 98, if need be). |
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| 04:22.32 | beardy | Wojciech: Perhaps the system you have now will let you be most "productive", if that is what you want to be, but of course you could try to install something else on it. You can always go back to the things you have now if you get tired of trying. |
| 04:22.33 | jkern | Wojciech, Good luck with your projects! |
| 04:22.34 | mwilson | bullweivel: No, it's a Debian thing. The updated mysql-common package has migrated to testing, but the server package hasn't, if I remember correctly. |
| 04:22.35 | bullweivel | mwilson... just found the debian report...let me go RTFM |
| 04:23.05 | SerajewelKS | bullweivel, if we're talking about the mysql problem, the way i fixed it over here was to remove mysql-server and install mysql-server4 |
| 04:23.15 | majnoon | all the baseconfig doing is just stopping |
| 04:23.26 | majnoon | root@box:/# base-config new |
| 04:23.26 | majnoon | Terminated |
| 04:23.36 | majnoon | ^that what i get |
| 04:23.44 | mwilson | <shrug> It's a non-problem, really... people who make production use of anything but stable deserve what happens to them. Even you, bullweivel. |
| 04:24.11 | majnoon | any help ?? |
| 04:24.18 | Wojciech | Thank you very much guys!!! :) I'll be off now. |
| 04:24.37 | Gnea | majnoon: http://gnea.net/remotedeb.html |
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| 04:24.52 | bullweivel | SerajewelKS: uhh... i dont see a mysql-server4 .... you using testing or unstable ? |
| 04:25.30 | bullweivel | or binaries ?? |
| 04:25.34 | Gnea | majnoon: check the bit about mounting proc and pts |
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| 04:26.07 | Phated | Whee! |
| 04:26.43 | SerajewelKS | bullweivel, testing |
| 04:27.03 | SerajewelKS | bullweivel, err mysql-server-4.1 |
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| 04:27.04 | Area-51 | Wheee! |
| 04:27.22 | Phated | Ah, look, a random person assaults. Loser. |
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| 04:29.29 | bullweivel | SerajewelKS: damn...im tired... i see that now.. i read binaries...and well I thought source :( thanks...let me try that one. |
| 04:29.48 | Inu|Yasha | im on new hardware which deb should i dl |
| 04:30.06 | Gnea | Inu|Yasha: the one that works |
| 04:30.25 | Inu|Yasha | errr sarge |
| 04:30.29 | majnoon | all it says is Terminated when i do base-config |
| 04:30.43 | Gnea | majnoon: then you didn't follow the directions |
| 04:30.52 | Gnea | Inu|Yasha: yeah, that'll do |
| 04:31.27 | Inu|Yasha | have they built that graphic installer yet or is it still txt |
| 04:31.42 | Gnea | it's txt, like it should be |
| 04:33.10 | poncho | !bye |
| 04:33.10 | dpkg | Cya, poncho |
| 04:33.41 | Inu|Yasha | most ppl i know use a deb based distro mepis/knoppix dsl etc |
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| 04:33.53 | Gnea | that's nice. |
| 04:34.20 | Inu|Yasha | only problem is its hard to find nForce support |
| 04:34.29 | Gnea | it is? |
| 04:34.43 | Gnea | which nforce chipset? |
| 04:34.44 | yonkel-lappy | do i need portmap running? i feel like only NFS uses it and i don't run NFS. |
| 04:35.05 | Gnea | yonkel-lappy: you can disable it, remove it or tell it to just run on localhost |
| 04:35.07 | Inu|Yasha | nForce 2 |
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| 04:35.15 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 04:35.16 | bucky | !test |
| 04:35.17 | dpkg | No, bucky, you're not online any more. |
| 04:35.34 | yonkel-lappy | Gnea: i'll take it out |
| 04:35.37 | Gnea | Inu|Yasha: ok, sound, ide, ethernet...? |
| 04:35.47 | dodgyville | I installed cups, and it works, but some programs such as mozilla still use lpr to print. Is there a system-wide way to make all printing use cups? |
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| 04:35.54 | Inu|Yasha | yea |
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| 04:36.02 | patty | guys, whats streamtuner ? |
| 04:36.18 | Gnea | works fine here, i just compile a latest 2.6 kernel and it cranks |
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| 04:36.47 | one2 | yo my friend is using demudi which is based on debian how he needs gaim and its not in the demudi repository how to add the official debian repository? |
| 04:36.50 | Gnea | streamtuner - A GUI audio stream directory browser |
| 04:37.01 | Gnea | patty: pretty descriptive to me... |
| 04:37.20 | one2 | or whats the url to add to sources.list |
| 04:37.34 | one2 | just ft.debian.org? |
| 04:37.38 | one2 | *ftp |
| 04:37.46 | Gnea | one2: just run apt-setup and select from the list |
| 04:38.21 | majnoon | ok TRYING again |
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| 04:38.51 | patty | Gnea, thnx |
| 04:39.18 | justin420 | hi, got a real stupid question.... during bootup; i noticed there are some error messages loading things, how should I go about finding what having problems loading? |
| 04:39.24 | Gnea | patty: no thank you, i never heard of it until now :) |
| 04:39.30 | one2 | thanx |
| 04:39.47 | one2 | i use slack so not to keen on apt |
| 04:39.48 | one2 | ;] |
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| 04:39.57 | nimak | flash on firefox doesnt make sound |
| 04:40.03 | Gnea | one2: i used to use slack ;) |
| 04:40.12 | one2 | its great :] |
| 04:40.14 | Gnea | nimak: what about xmms? |
| 04:40.20 | one2 | to learn |
| 04:40.22 | one2 | linux |
| 04:40.27 | Gnea | exactly |
| 04:40.28 | Gnea | :) |
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| 04:40.53 | Gnea | justin420: what is it haveing problems loading? |
| 04:41.11 | nimak | yeah, sound works with everything else |
| 04:41.11 | rking | justin420: ok, so there are 3 answers here: 1) hit Shift+PgUp to see how far back you can go (assuming that x hasn't started) |
| 04:41.18 | midg3t | does anyone know if apt-cacher checks MD5Sums? It seems to hold on to broken packages. |
| 04:41.23 | rking | justin: 2) dmesg | less (this will show kernel output) |
| 04:41.53 | Gnea | nimak: if you ran xmms or any other sound app before starting firefox, you need to quit and restart firefox in order for it to grab the DSP |
| 04:42.10 | justin420 | gnea: its during the bootup process where it loads my drivers for things, i think one of them is my sound card and something about pci, it scrolls to quick for me to read anything.. |
| 04:42.19 | nimak | interesting |
| 04:42.29 | rking | justin420: but soon you'll want more info, so edit /etc/default/bootlogd and change it from "BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=No" to "...=Yes" |
| 04:42.43 | nimak | even with asla? |
| 04:42.43 | rking | justin420: that will create /var/log/boot |
| 04:43.30 | rking | nimak: i don't think alsa has the multiplexing features in it... it's lower level than that AFAIK... maybe try running everything through jackd? |
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| 04:43.47 | justin420 | rking: is there maybe say a log or something i need to look at? or do i need to enable the bootlogd and then read that log?? |
| 04:43.54 | midg3t | does enabling bootlogd cause any significant slowdown? |
| 04:43.57 | Gnea | streamtuner is badass. |
| 04:43.58 | midg3t | i'd guess not |
| 04:44.42 | rking | justin: both - there's an existing log that can be viewed with "dmesg | less", and then you probably do want the /etc/default/bootlogd set to Yes anyway |
| 04:45.00 | rking | midg3t: aw heck no... it's a ridiculous default if you ask me. |
| 04:45.49 | nimak | woot, it works |
| 04:45.54 | rking | midg3t: here's some discussion: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=213028 |
| 04:46.16 | justin420 | rking: i think the more info the better to get some specific details as to what is going on.... so i will type dmesg |less and then i will edit my /etc/default/bootlogd and change the BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=no to yes and then see what aint werkin |
| 04:46.21 | justin420 | thanks all. |
| 04:46.23 | midg3t | ta |
| 04:48.22 | justin420 | rking: i got about 12 pages of cx8800[0]: AUD_STATUS: 0xfef2 [mono/no pilot] ctl=BTSC_AUTO_STEREO. i have no clue what that means other than it has to do with my sound i believe... |
| 04:49.12 | mwilson | grrrrrrr |
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| 04:49.32 | rking | mwilson: what's up? |
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| 04:49.59 | mwilson | Just fiddling with Sun ksyboard. |
| 04:50.06 | rking | justin420: google for that exact string, in quotes - there are 2 results, the second of which sounds /very/ similar |
| 04:50.09 | mwilson | keyboard, even |
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| 04:50.27 | justin420 | rking:thanks alot appreaciate the help. :) |
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| 04:51.20 | rking | justin420: in general, googling for exact error lines is a magic thing. also try generalizing it a bit, that is, break it up so that the pieces don't have numbers in them that don't look like they're going to bring better results |
| 04:51.42 | majnoon | STILL getting the terminated line |
| 04:51.54 | mwilson | mmmmm, pitch black is back again... |
| 04:52.05 | rking | justin420: for example, in this case i might try: cx8800 AUD_STATUS "mono no pilot" "ctl=BTSC_AUTO_STEREO" |
| 04:52.40 | rking | justin420: sure enough, that brings even more results into the mix. are you using a TV card, btw? |
| 04:52.43 | justin420 | rking: ok thats a good idea.... thanks alot |
| 04:52.47 | deltron | what is the current stable? |
| 04:53.00 | CtrlPhreke | finally got 800x600... ahhh... only took 2 hours... :) |
| 04:53.21 | rking | CtrlPhreke: did you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
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| 04:53.30 | CtrlPhreke | yep.. |
| 04:53.41 | rking | CtrlPhreke: xvidtune for the modelines? |
| 04:53.50 | rking | CtrlPhreke: are you on a wristwatch? |
| 04:54.12 | CtrlPhreke | said xvidtune wasn't available for my chipset... running intel 865 |
| 04:54.17 | justin420 | rking: sorta. I used to be able to get the video, but since i tried to install my logitech quickcam pro 3000, it messed up my tvtime so i do not recieve a signal. the sound for the tv tuner card just returns static, so maybe this will help me solve that problem as well!! (i hope) |
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| 04:54.25 | CtrlPhreke | feels like it rking... |
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| 04:54.56 | rking | CtrlPhreke: what is your chipset? |
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| 04:55.30 | rking | is it just me? every time i hear the term "chipset" i think of that scene in Office Space where Michael beat up that printer. |
| 04:55.38 | jnymo | hey folks.. slight problem here where I can't find where my cd drive is in my /dev/ folder.. just want to eject, but its not mounted... I'm booting off that alternative to the poor mans install, where you do a pivot_root.. turns out that messes with the device filesystem |
| 04:55.44 | CtrlPhreke | intel xtreme graphics 2... onboard video, on an asus ic-10.. |
| 04:55.55 | CtrlPhreke | loved office space... |
| 04:56.11 | justin420 | has anyone seen my stapler? |
| 04:56.14 | justin420 | hehe |
| 04:56.23 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.27 | justin420 | that dude is cool |
| 04:56.41 | jnymo | ok but thats the last straw </feeble> |
| 04:56.54 | midg3t | did you get the memo? |
| 04:56.59 | rking | jnymo: so when you lspci do you see your drive in that list somewhere? |
| 04:57.02 | nvz | yeah I wish I could just go burn down my former workplace.. but then people dont get their money |
| 04:57.06 | rking | you jump.... TO CONCLUSIONS. |
| 04:58.05 | nvz | it would be counter productive really |
| 04:58.12 | jnymo | hhmm. the list is looking shorter than usual.. |
| 04:58.17 | CtrlPhreke | and is it me or does the debian 3.1 install cd from linuxformat do something different each time you use it??? |
| 04:58.50 | CtrlPhreke | I think the 50th time it should install mac os 9... |
| 04:59.00 | chealer | CtrlPhreke: what's linuxformat? |
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| 04:59.14 | CtrlPhreke | a UK linux mag |
| 04:59.18 | rking | jnymo: what kind of kernel are you running? plain old stock linux? |
| 04:59.37 | rking | CtrlPhreke: so what driver are you using? |
| 04:59.40 | jnymo | knoppix's kernel.. "beginner install" |
| 05:00.00 | nvz | beginners install of knoppix |
| 05:00.09 | nvz | maybe |
| 05:00.11 | CtrlPhreke | first was using the 810, but this time I'm not sure haven't checked the config file and let the install cd autodetect... |
| 05:00.15 | chealer | CtrlPhreke: oh, you mean Linux Format...I already red that. ask them if they ship official debian 3.1 CDs |
| 05:00.19 | jnymo | is an IDE Interface: ALi Corporation M5229 IDE a cd drive? |
| 05:00.28 | majnoon | no luck KEEP getting ""Terminated" |
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| 05:00.53 | rking | jnymo: ehhh... i'm not thinking so. i think that's the IDE thinger /itself/, not anything connected to it. |
| 05:00.55 | jnymo | beginners install of knoppix is like debian but with a lot of hardware checking every time on boot up |
| 05:00.59 | CtrlPhreke | sorry, guess this room is cap sensitive too... I said linuxformat... :) |
| 05:01.00 | majnoon | gnea awake ?? |
| 05:01.05 | jnymo | rking: |
| 05:01.06 | jnymo | K |
| 05:01.11 | nvz | jnymo: oh and not to mention not debian |
| 05:01.55 | rking | CtrlPhreke: yeah, i think i810 is probably going to be the deal... i know i've gotten at least 1024x768 on every i180 i've config'd |
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| 05:02.01 | rking | CtrlPhreke: which is... about 3 maybe |
| 05:02.19 | jnymo | rking: looking to get an acer? |
| 05:02.27 | CtrlPhreke | alright.. have you ever had to apply the i865patch? |
| 05:02.31 | rking | jnymo: does the drive show up on bootup? |
| 05:02.39 | rking | jnymo: only if "acer" is some kind of sexual favor |
| 05:02.40 | jnymo | travelmate 4400 is good |
| 05:02.44 | chealer | CtrlPhreke: I actually have 2 LINUX FORMAT DVDs between me and my screen. the one that has gentoo isn't shipping an official Gentoo CD |
| 05:02.46 | CtrlPhreke | if not how do you play with it to get to 1024??? |
| 05:02.50 | jnymo | heh |
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| 05:03.06 | jnymo | rking.. I boot from the cd.. then do a pivot_root into my usb hard drive |
| 05:03.14 | rking | CtrlPhreke: there are several pieces that have to be in place - all of which can be put in order through dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86... |
| 05:03.32 | jnymo | rking: after that it seems to forget it's mounts |
| 05:03.53 | CtrlPhreke | chealer: I'm in the states only get the cd version of the mag... it's the only way for me to get linux... still stuck on 28.8 here... I feel like I'm drawing on cave walls here |
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| 05:04.55 | CtrlPhreke | alright, anyone know a good website to give me the specs on my old low rent monitor? |
| 05:05.11 | rking | CtrlPhreke: you have to have the Screen->Display->Modes line with the res you want in it for the depth you want, and you have to have the ModeLine in your X config file for that resolution, and your HorizSync/VertRefresh have to be above what is listed in the modeline |
| 05:05.15 | nvz | dpkg, sync |
| 05:05.15 | dpkg | for monitor Sync ranges and Refresh rates, see http://monitorworld.com/monitors_home.html |
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| 05:06.12 | jnymo | rking: at the top of lspci it says "pcilib: Cannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices |
| 05:06.17 | jnymo | I'm at a root console as well |
| 05:06.20 | rking | jnymo: maybe it's just a matter of the right modprobe - try lsmod before the pivot, and try it after, and see if it loses something related to IDE or somesuchle |
| 05:06.37 | nvz | dpkg sync =~ s/Sync ranges and R/sync ranges and r/ |
| 05:06.37 | dpkg | nvz: OK |
| 05:07.03 | nvz | I have no idea why I capitalized those |
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| 05:07.16 | rking | CtrlPhreke: it's kind of weird, yep. here are the tools in your bag: Ctrl+KEYPAD-plus and minus this is weird - try it now... it should cycle through the available resolutions |
| 05:07.17 | Supaplex | because you can |
| 05:07.49 | rking | CtrlPhreke: if the highest one available is lower than what you know your hardware can do, look at /var/log/XFree86.log, and see if it explains why it rejected the higher resolution |
| 05:07.53 | jnymo | internel cd drive is just pci right? |
| 05:08.01 | rking | CtrlPhreke: you really, really should be able to run xvidtune. it's the shizzle. |
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| 05:08.07 | nvz | I havent really made that many factoids |
| 05:08.12 | lakcaj | ide |
| 05:08.18 | nvz | !+listauth nvz |
| 05:08.19 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'nvz' (15): flw36 ;; svideo->cvideo ;; CMD: watch (.*?) ;; sync ;; badgerwang ;; qotd106 ;; qotd130 ;; iaft ;; dancer configlines ;; rfb ;; frozen screen ;; CMD: stranger (.*?) ;; open windows ;; fts ;; CMD: yinzersmite (.*?). |
| 05:08.20 | rking | jnymo: i'd think it would be IDE, but i don't know laptops |
| 05:08.41 | CtrlPhreke | my monitor manufacturer isn't on that site... |
| 05:08.41 | jnymo | hmm |
| 05:09.03 | justin420 | rking: what file was that supposed to creat after enabling the bootlogd? /usr/log/boot ? |
| 05:09.07 | nvz | dpkg forget cmd: watch (.*?) |
| 05:09.07 | dpkg | nvz: i forgot CMD: watch (.*?) |
| 05:09.32 | jnymo | anyone recall what the dev name usually is? hdc? |
| 05:09.33 | blkrose | Ok, I have a problem. This will be ovious when you read my question, but yes.. I am new to all this linux stuff. My problem... how do I put the desktop switcher back on my taskbar? (yes, I accidently removed it) |
| 05:09.44 | rking | CtrlPhreke: grep mode /var/log/XFree86.log |
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| 05:09.58 | rking | justin420: /var/log/boot |
| 05:10.37 | justin420 | rking: ok... am lookin in /var/log/ and looking for boot but do not see it?? |
| 05:10.45 | rking | jnymo: it depends on which physical drive it is... mine's hda because i have a SATA hard drive |
| 05:10.58 | CtrlPhreke | givin' me no such file or directory there rking |
| 05:11.00 | justin420 | rking: i did save the file, and was root while editing it... |
| 05:11.02 | rking | jnymo: just do something like this: for n in a b c d; do eject /dev/hd$n; done |
| 05:11.13 | rking | CtrlPhreke: well, are you running Xorg? |
| 05:11.25 | rking | justin420: you gotta reboot for it to take effect. |
| 05:11.41 | justin420 | rking: i did |
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| 05:12.00 | rking | justin420: hrmmm... what distro? |
| 05:12.03 | CtrlPhreke | and xvidtune says video are not settable on this chip... |
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| 05:12.17 | CtrlPhreke | yeah, I guess I am... |
| 05:12.19 | justin420 | rking: debian sarge, and i pretty much use synaptic everyday |
| 05:12.28 | rking | CtrlPhreke: you tell xvidtune that if it doesn't shut up about that, you're going to make it hurt in a way that it can't even imagine. |
| 05:12.35 | blkrose | btw.. I use kde |
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| 05:12.53 | jnymo | rking: it tried five things.. they all say they failed on the screen.. but the fricken cd drive EJECTED.. you fuckin rockison, dude ;) |
| 05:13.00 | justin420 | rking: i was lookin for the bootlogd to start during the bootup stage, and i think i saw a notice maybe something about /dev/tty01 or something?? |
| 05:13.15 | rking | CtrlPhreke: if you are, then it's /var/log/Xorg.0.log ahh, maybe it's /var/log/XFree86.0.log for you... just ls /var/log and figure out which one it is, darnit. =) |
| 05:13.35 | rking | jnymo: well, then just do those manually until you figure out which one is working. =) |
| 05:13.37 | chealer | blkrose: are you talking about KDE virtual desktops? |
| 05:13.46 | CtrlPhreke | lol... verbally threatening a prog... a linux prog... I'm not above that |
| 05:13.52 | jnymo | rock on dudicus |
| 05:14.27 | blkrose | Um, not sure... there is usually 4 desktop buttons on the taskbar.. and I accidently removed them and I can't figure out how to put them back on blush |
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| 05:15.02 | rking | justin420: maybe dmesg | less says why bootlogd didn't work? i've never seen it not-create /var/log/boot , so we're on new grounds |
| 05:15.11 | rking | justin420: you're not looking at /usr/log/boot, are you? |
| 05:15.25 | chealer | blkrose: right. right-click an empty area of the taskbar, choose Add, Applet, Virtual desktops (or something like that) |
| 05:15.30 | justin420 | rking: no sir i am not. |
| 05:15.31 | CtrlPhreke | alright, found it... the log file... what the hell am I looking for again? :) |
| 05:15.31 | rking | CtrlPhreke: just lie to it until it accepts your modelines. |
| 05:15.44 | rking | justin420: hehe, ok... you mentioned it earlier, just checking. =) |
| 05:16.09 | CtrlPhreke | alright using the vesa driver I get 2 modes 640 and 800 |
| 05:16.24 | rking | CtrlPhreke: things where it says some monkey like, 'Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range)' |
| 05:16.25 | blkrose | It's not any of the applets.. i've tried them all (well, the ones that I didn't already know were not it) |
| 05:16.26 | justin420 | rking:right on, i am looking at /var/log/dmesg right now, and found the errors i noticed during startup, but have not yet read anything about the bootlogd error yet?? |
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| 05:17.35 | blkrose | I remember there was a way to add more or less desktops in a config gui somewhere.. but for the life of me I can't remember where I found it before |
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| 05:17.44 | rking | justin420: hrmm... i don't know really... but yeah, there are some kinds of messages that go to dmesg, and some that go to bootlogd, and if the one you're hunting is in dmesg, then we live to fight another day. |
| 05:17.58 | chealer | blkrose: you can access that GUI by right-clicking the applet |
| 05:18.24 | chealer | blkrose: if you really don't see something like Virtual desktops, ask #debian-kde |
| 05:18.31 | blkrose | ah ok, maybe thats where I saw it before :( Well, beings I don't have it anymore I guess thats not going to help me heh |
| 05:18.49 | step_hane | sorry if I'm walking into the middle of a convo, but can someone help me get my graphics card working? |
| 05:18.54 | blkrose | oh, ok, thanks! |
| 05:19.04 | justin420 | rking: true, but like you i also wonder why the file /var/log/boot did not create?? im about to restart to see if i can notice the error it says again... |
| 05:19.15 | rking | step_hane: what's wrong? |
| 05:19.17 | jnymo | its wierd.. when I do them individually.. they say not valid block devices |
| 05:19.23 | chealer | step_hane: it depends how much information someone has |
| 05:19.37 | step_hane | (first time on irc) I just installed debian and it says xserver can't star |
| 05:19.41 | CtrlPhreke | alright the first one that says anything like that is 1600x1200 and I'm sure my monitor can't handle that... |
| 05:19.50 | step_hane | it's a SIS onboard video |
| 05:19.59 | chealer | step_hane: any error? otherwise look at X's log |
| 05:20.18 | step_hane | I don't know where the files are (how do you whisper/private convo?) |
| 05:20.20 | rking | jnymo: and it doesn't eject? |
| 05:20.50 | rking | step_hane: you use /msg someone sometext, but the culture around here is to just say it in the channel - this allows us to tag-team better, and for lurkers to learn, etc |
| 05:21.03 | chealer | step_hane: what do you mean by convo? you seem to be asking about /msg |
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| 05:21.16 | step_hane | oh ok thanks yeah that's right |
| 05:21.21 | jnymo | rking: ah found it.. hdc |
| 05:21.24 | jnymo | it ejects |
| 05:21.27 | rking | jnymo++ |
| 05:21.36 | Diguinho | can anybody tell me why my gnome isn't mounting automatically th cdrom and compact flash cards? gnome-volume-manager is already running, with all set up |
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| 05:21.48 | jnymo | but it says "Mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 05:21.52 | jnymo | " |
| 05:22.15 | rking | jnymo: right .. a CD-ROM is... Read Only. =) |
| 05:22.35 | step_hane | so where do I see what the video configuration is? I've done this in the gui before but not on the command line |
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| 05:22.50 | jnymo | but nothing shows up on the cdrom (actually its a dvd inside there) |
| 05:22.50 | chealer | step_hane: X logs are in /var/log/XF... |
| 05:22.58 | chealer | !drxx step_hane |
| 05:22.59 | dpkg | step_hane: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:23.01 | rking | jnymo: where are you mounting it to? |
| 05:23.31 | jnymo | a dir I made.. /mnt/cddrive |
| 05:23.32 | step_hane | I haven't edited anything... all I did was pick sis as the manufacturer at install time (about an hour ago) |
| 05:23.50 | chealer | step_hane: so don't ask dpkg about it and just run the command |
| 05:24.10 | jnymo | eject cddrive works though |
| 05:24.11 | rking | jnymo: and you're manually doing something like this: mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cddrive -t iso9660 |
| 05:24.27 | jnymo | oh.. lemme try |
| 05:24.44 | rking | jnymo: if that works then it's /etc/fstab time |
| 05:25.56 | CtrlPhreke | alright... runnin' the reconfig again... |
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| 05:26.02 | CtrlPhreke | I might have killed it this time... |
| 05:26.07 | jnymo | no worky worky |
| 05:26.33 | step_hane | thanks chealer... I looked at the log and I'm seeing that SIS drivers are installed and loading properly, but it seems they aren't the right ones |
| 05:26.34 | rking | CtrlPhreke: if your monitor and computer explode and start giving off smoke then you've made a wrong selection. |
| 05:26.44 | majnoon | !!seen gnea |
| 05:26.44 | jnymo | so wierd.. i think it has something to do with that write protected message.. cause this is a cd burner drive |
| 05:27.07 | rking | CtrlPhreke: naw, i'm just kidding - i've never seen anything happen bad with lying about the hsync/vertfresh ... but then again, i've never set them too far above what i think would be right |
| 05:28.00 | rking | jnymo: when you ran it manually did you get some fun error, or the same one? |
| 05:28.33 | jnymo | with the -t iso9660? no error at all |
| 05:28.40 | jnymo | just mounted |
| 05:28.52 | rking | jnymo: and then you can't cd /mnt/cddrive ? |
| 05:28.57 | jnymo | but when you go into it and ls.. nothing |
| 05:29.01 | jnymo | yea, i can cd in |
| 05:29.08 | chealer | step_hane: ok, no idea about sis. vesa is a safe choice |
| 05:29.09 | CtrlPhreke | rking.. no smoke just cycling lights and a black screen... off to recovery mode... :) |
| 05:29.23 | step_hane | ok I see an error: sis(0): crt1 ddc reading failed |
| 05:29.30 | Gnea | majnoon: hey, any luck? |
| 05:29.34 | rking | jnymo: hrm, well, sort of does sound like it's not mounting... does the output of unadorned "mount" say anything about it? |
| 05:29.59 | step_hane | vesa? how do I make that the choice on startup? |
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| 05:30.37 | chealer | step_hane: on startup? I'm not sure I understand what you mean, but it's one of the drivers choices |
| 05:30.38 | jnymo | the output is rather unadorned as well.. /proc on /proc type proc |
| 05:30.41 | dizzle | how can i connect my xbox up so i can have a server for halo 2 |
| 05:30.44 | jnymo | (rw) |
| 05:30.50 | step_hane | how do I rechoose a driver |
| 05:30.50 | jnymo | says that twice and thats it |
| 05:30.55 | chealer | step_hane: did you try google on that error? |
| 05:31.00 | chealer | !drxx step_hane |
| 05:31.02 | dpkg | step_hane: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 05:31.17 | step_hane | ok I'll try that thanks |
| 05:31.34 | CtrlPhreke | alright... tryin' something else... damnit.. :) |
| 05:31.37 | jnymo | rking: I think i'm running a fake root or something |
| 05:32.00 | jnymo | cause let me describe to you the process of pivot_rooting to my usb hardrive when I boot |
| 05:32.01 | CtrlPhreke | wow... if this is fun does that mean that I won't be playin' outlaw golf anytime soon on this box? |
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| 05:32.29 | dizzle | im a debian newbie |
| 05:32.32 | jnymo | I boot from cd with knoppix single |
| 05:32.48 | jnymo | sudo su; mkdir /mnt/new_root |
| 05:33.04 | jnymo | mount /dev/dsa1 /mnt/new_root |
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| 05:33.34 | jnymo | mkdir /mnt/new_root/mnt/old_root; cd /mnt/new_root |
| 05:34.03 | jnymo | pivot_root . /mnt/new_root/mnt/old_root |
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| 05:34.20 | jnymo | mount /proc /proc -t proc |
| 05:34.23 | jnymo | init 5 |
| 05:34.26 | enteng | hi what's teh difference between the 2.4 and 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:34.27 | jnymo | and thats it |
| 05:34.40 | CtrlPhreke | 1024x768 71 hz.... damn... 3 hours... and 3 installs... and if I knew what the hell I was doin' I coulda had it done in like 15 minutes... :) |
| 05:35.03 | CtrlPhreke | thanks for the help there rking... |
| 05:35.07 | CtrlPhreke | and others |
| 05:35.18 | chealer | enteng: maybe ask #linux. 2.4 is more stable, 2.6 is newer and has perhaps better security support. |
| 05:35.20 | mmiikkee12 | don't feel bad, it took me 2 weeks to get gnome running |
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| 05:35.51 | CtrlPhreke | ahhh... next thing... a graphical deb. package installer... where is one! :) |
| 05:36.06 | adjacent | CtrlPhreke: synaptic? |
| 05:36.28 | rking | CtrlPhreke: congrats, btw - i was off consoling my kid who was scared of the thunder. =) |
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| 05:37.08 | CtrlPhreke | alright... synaptic it is... I have yet to get aptitude to friggin' install anything for me... :) |
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| 05:37.38 | nvz | aptitude install anything |
| 05:37.51 | nvz | though anything doesnt exist in the debian package archive |
| 05:38.08 | CtrlPhreke | haha |
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| 05:39.23 | rking | jnymo: we're on totally untrodden ground for me |
| 05:39.33 | rking | jnymo: what does unadorned "mount" say before the pivot? |
| 05:40.26 | jnymo | rking: not sure cause I'd have to restart my computer |
| 05:40.33 | rking | jnymo: also, i'm seeing in the docs that it wants a chroot |
| 05:41.04 | jnymo | rking: what does? |
| 05:41.22 | rking | jnymo: the normal pivot_root sequence... man pivot_root and look at both examples |
| 05:41.39 | dondelelcaro | pivot_root just changes the root for processes spawned from it, that's it. |
| 05:41.40 | jnymo | ok |
| 05:42.01 | CtrlPhreke | alright... it's workin' gettin' gimp... hopefully... |
| 05:42.27 | rking | CtrlPhreke: also check out inkscape, if you want to play with a decent vector graphics app. |
| 05:42.48 | nvz | CtrlPhreke: Irssi uptime: 3d 9h 22m 25s |
| 05:42.58 | CtrlPhreke | will do... |
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| 05:43.04 | nvz | CtrlPhreke: and thats just this session since the last network trouble |
| 05:43.17 | rking | dondelelcaro: so in the scenario that jnymo has, where he is trying to boot a CD and then use the USB drive as the root... what would the normalest way to do that be? |
| 05:43.27 | CtrlPhreke | yeah, well I don't have a network... :) |
| 05:43.29 | nvz | CtrlPhreke: people tend to stay awhile here. spambots on the other hand dont last long |
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| 05:43.55 | nvz | CtrlPhreke: welcome to freenode, it can be your network too |
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| 05:45.43 | step_hane | easy question: how do I start the xserver? |
| 05:46.00 | jnymo | startx ? |
| 05:46.08 | step_hane | lol thanks |
| 05:46.15 | nvz | step_hane: startx, xinit, /etc/init.d/[x|g|k]dm start |
| 05:46.44 | tmtm | hi evryboym can anyone help me about changing keyboard layout during operation? |
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| 05:47.14 | streuner | !keymap |
| 05:47.14 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 05:47.20 | rking | step_hane: i'd definitely recommend apt-get install gdm or something - just let it start X by default, and hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 if you want to get back to the text console |
| 05:47.23 | nvz | I think gnome and kde both have some sort of panel applet for quick easy changing of layout |
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| 05:47.46 | step_hane | ok I'll try that thanks |
| 05:48.16 | step_hane | it was already updated (I just installed) |
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| 05:48.31 | nornagon | does the stock 2.6.8-2-k7 kernel preempt? |
| 05:48.44 | nornagon | That, or how can I find out> |
| 05:48.45 | nornagon | ? |
| 05:49.21 | CtrlPhreke | step, you install 3.1 right? |
| 05:49.46 | tmtm | nvz: i think that might be some key combination, but i cant find the information |
| 05:49.48 | CtrlPhreke | the first of my three installs I forgot to put a mark in the desktop environment box during the install... |
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| 05:50.15 | tmtm | i use x under kdm |
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| 05:51.01 | nvz | CtrlPhreke: thats a good think in my opinion. it installs more than one desktop environment and more than 500 packages and just makes installation take forever and installs everything including the kitchensync |
| 05:51.14 | nvz | !+info kitchensync |
| 05:51.17 | dpkg | kitchensync: (Synchronization framework), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 522 kB, Installed size: 1764 kB |
| 05:51.22 | nvz | heh |
| 05:51.56 | nvz | I find that ammusing.. I guess you'd have to have hear the old saying "everything but the kitchen sink" |
| 05:52.26 | CtrlPhreke | I can tell that your sense of humor will grow on me... :) |
| 05:52.29 | rking | jnymo: it'll only affect the shell that does that |
| 05:52.37 | jnymo | oh |
| 05:52.55 | rking | jnymo: i would leave off the "exec" until you know it won't fail |
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| 05:53.06 | chealer | nornagon: you'd look at /boot/config-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 05:53.31 | nvz | I also like to rub it in on people who use shitty os's like windows.. I just say "oh yeah.. well does it include the kitchensync?!" |
| 05:53.34 | jnymo | so just do chroot? by itself? |
| 05:53.49 | nvz | proof that debian has it all |
| 05:54.02 | CtrlPhreke | alright gonna go play now that I have my 1024 by 768... |
| 05:54.14 | CtrlPhreke | I'm bookmarkin' this server and room |
| 05:54.25 | nvz | dpkg, room? |
| 05:54.25 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 05:54.33 | nvz | dpkg, yinzersmite CtrlPhreke |
| 05:54.35 | nvz | :) |
| 05:54.40 | CtrlPhreke | sorry, channel... |
| 05:54.44 | bored2k | if i add 20 6 * * * /usr/bin/shutdown to my /etc/crontab, will it succesfully shutdown the box at 06:20 ? |
| 05:54.46 | jnymo | heh |
| 05:54.51 | nvz | I love my smite. |
| 05:55.00 | nvz | I need to add some new things to it.. |
| 05:55.04 | CtrlPhreke | sharn? what's that... |
| 05:55.29 | nvz | CtrlPhreke: the yinzersmite is for people who dont talk properly or are downright ignorant to facts like a true yinzer |
| 05:55.58 | CtrlPhreke | googlin' yinzer... .<should I be offended?> :) |
| 05:55.58 | nvz | CtrlPhreke: sharn is "showering" in pittsburghese.. or the native language of yinzers |
| 05:56.10 | CtrlPhreke | ahhhh |
| 05:56.12 | nvz | CtrlPhreke: see http://www.pittsburghese.com/ |
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| 05:56.36 | nvz | will tell you what a yinzer is among other things |
| 05:56.42 | CtrlPhreke | wow... learned a lot more than how to configure xserver... |
| 05:56.50 | CtrlPhreke | l8r thanks again |
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| 05:57.24 | nvz | can't help but get a lesson in society and culture in #debian. its such a large and diverse group |
| 05:57.27 | mom | I am your mom |
| 05:57.51 | jnymo | hi ma' |
| 05:58.01 | nvz | no, cause my mom doesnt know how to use IRC, and if she was here, she'd tell me I am speaking chinese "ying ying yang" |
| 05:58.15 | nvz | everything my mother doesnt understand is chinese |
| 05:58.16 | mom | no |
| 05:58.23 | mom | I am 1337 |
| 05:58.27 | nvz | bullshit |
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| 05:58.43 | nvz | I am from Leetsdale and founder of leetlug wtf do you know about leet |
| 05:58.46 | mom | ZOMG WTF I 4m not a a0Ler n00b |
| 05:58.54 | dondelelcaro | that's great; we don't particularly care if you're one thousand three hundred and thirty seven years old. |
| 05:59.07 | dondelelcaro | s/and// |
| 05:59.17 | themusic1od1 | bbq? |
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| 05:59.24 | mom | WTFBBQ? |
| 05:59.31 | step_hane | thanks for all your help, I have a GUI! |
| 05:59.45 | mom | step_hane your welcome |
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| 06:00.45 | mom | he stole my bike |
| 06:01.20 | jnymo | hey mom.. how do I get my filesystem to correct after doing a pivot_root, when I pivot_rooted from a live cd to a usb hard drive? |
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| 06:01.23 | mom | I'm using Mac OS X 10.4.2 (8C46) - On A: PowerMacG3series - With: 1 x PowerPC 750 (2.2) - Speed: 350 MHz - RAM Usage: 328 MB / 512 MB [||||||||||] - Disk Space: 27.81 GB with 1.71 GB Free - Number of processes: 56 - Uptime: 1:01 up 4:49, 1 user, load averages: 1.00 0.72 0.63 |
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| 06:01.27 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@bal-broadband2-ws-208.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:01.27 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:01.31 | dondelelcaro | right, enough of that. |
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| 06:02.07 | jnymo | wow |
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| 06:03.30 | jnymo | glas I'm not annoying |
| 06:03.58 | jnymo | well its basically debian |
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| 06:04.10 | nvz | more like knoppix though |
| 06:04.44 | jnymo | yea, but when you install it on your harddrive, its even more like debian, right? |
| 06:04.48 | nvz | jnymo: what is wrong with "your filesystem" anyhow |
| 06:04.54 | dondelelcaro | jnymo: it's not... |
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| 06:05.03 | jnymo | ah |
| 06:05.05 | mom | you can ban mom |
| 06:05.10 | mom | can't* |
| 06:05.25 | jnymo | well then I won't waste anymore of yall's time |
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| 06:05.52 | deltron | where do i change the upgrade info from readline to dialog? |
| 06:05.52 | nvz | I dont know if I can take much more of this.. I am laughing my ass off |
| 06:06.09 | jnymo | thanks for all the help though guys.. I'll be full fledged debian one of these days.. when I learn linux a bit more |
| 06:06.10 | rking | jnymo: you might be at the point where the knoppix people can help you more |
| 06:06.27 | nvz | jnymo: debian installer only takes a finger that can press enter |
| 06:06.42 | nvz | all debconf and d-i dialogs are widhe compliant |
| 06:06.44 | rking | jnymo: try a knoppix mailing list maybe - and remember the rules in http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 06:06.59 | nvz | not to mention d-i has auto-detection of hardware |
| 06:07.01 | jnymo | rking: roger, that's my last stop.. just seems like #debian and #gentoo people have all the answers most of the time |
| 06:07.26 | jnymo | K, thanks |
| 06:07.49 | rking | jnymo: np - wish you well. |
| 06:08.04 | nvz | my cat could install debian, all I would have to do is scratch her ears and she would do that needing motion with her paws on the keyboard |
| 06:09.14 | nvz | and the fact that debian has a bigger community makes it that much easier |
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| 06:09.56 | jnymo | My only problem with debian was the configuration for my laptop after the install.. I just don't know enough commands yet.. and I was using an 802.11 windows nic for internet access at the time |
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| 06:11.13 | nvz | yeah I havent tried doing wireless yet. one of my boxes here is wireless but I am using a Microsoft Xbox MN-740 Wireless Internet Adapter which linux doesnt even know is there. |
| 06:11.34 | nvz | its just a bridge between the nic and the access point |
| 06:12.05 | jnymo | so I might revert back to deb |
| 06:12.58 | nvz | I am not really sure how debtakeover works because I never used it.. but its suppose to debianize any gnu/linux system. in theory you run it on any gnu/linux system and it makes it into debian. |
| 06:13.06 | jnymo | not that I was on deb very long.. I used ubuntu on and off untill my MSwindows died on me |
| 06:13.08 | jnymo | badblock harddrive.. thus the usb one |
| 06:13.21 | nvz | like if you have gentoo installed I guess you run debtakeover and have debian then? |
| 06:13.46 | jnymo | nvz: that would be great.. that way I wouldn't have to reinstall all this stuff. like java and stuff |
| 06:13.54 | Guerin | it just replaces known files with their debian counterparts |
| 06:14.01 | nvz | I dont know if it reinstalls or what it does |
| 06:14.05 | nvz | I've never used it |
| 06:14.10 | Guerin | typically doing a very poor job, compared to, say, debootstrap |
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| 06:15.05 | nvz | java is pretty easy to do in debian with java-package you can d/l the java bins right from sun and it turns them into a java deb package you can easily install |
| 06:15.51 | nvz | not that it was hard to do manually... just takes the work out of doing it and making sure plugins are all linked |
| 06:16.31 | jnymo | yea.. I did that on here.. wasn't too bad... just another day of work to get me back where i was with everything |
| 06:18.11 | nvz | it's been slow in here ever since the spam attacks started.. most of the regulars seem to have either left or are not talking.. maybe everyone is still off trying to hack spammers :P |
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| 06:19.42 | jnymo | it was pretty bad on irc.debian servers.. yesterday |
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| 06:19.54 | nvz | there is no irc.debian |
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| 06:20.07 | nvz | it forwards you to irc.freenode.net |
| 06:20.08 | dondelelcaro | well, there is, but it just points at freenode |
| 06:21.11 | nvz | has dancer become this hyperon or whatever, did it just fork, or did we just up and switch servers or what? |
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| 06:21.38 | Phated | Plenty of the regulars here are... still here. |
| 06:21.44 | buu | nvz: We ran dancer. They wrote hyperion. Now we're on hyperion. |
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| 06:22.09 | dli | how to make "mode +E" default |
| 06:22.16 | mike_ | hi, how do you make tightvnc server listen on a specific port and not 5900 |
| 06:23.33 | nvz | buu: so dancer is now hyperion or dancer is still in production and hyperion is a fork? |
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| 06:23.40 | buu | nvz: Neither. |
| 06:23.54 | buu | nvz: Dancer is dancer, hyperion is hyperion |
| 06:23.58 | buu | And never shall the twain meet! |
| 06:24.00 | nvz | buu: so we just switched to a completly different server |
| 06:24.20 | mike_ | hyperion is a dancer rip changed |
| 06:24.22 | buu | nvz: YES |
| 06:24.26 | nvz | I thought hyperion had some kind of roots in the dance codebase |
| 06:24.29 | mike_ | i read it somewhere |
| 06:24.44 | buu | nvz: I actually have no idea how much code they share. As far as I know they have seperate code bases. |
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| 06:25.09 | nvz | I had thought it was a new fork or the project was renamed |
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| 06:25.40 | chealer | "freenode uses IRC server software called hyperion-ircd, a fork of the formerly used software called dancer-ircd" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenode |
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| 06:26.30 | mike_ | i win |
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| 06:26.32 | mike_ | lol |
| 06:26.34 | nvz | heh |
| 06:26.52 | mike_ | how do i change the port number of tightvnc server? |
| 06:27.03 | mike_ | or can't i? |
| 06:27.13 | jnymo | chport? |
| 06:27.16 | jnymo | jk |
| 06:27.31 | nvz | is it like being developed by freenode staff or something? cause I noticed over the years that freenode ircds tend to be very very different from other ircds and usually are designed around freenode policy |
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| 06:29.28 | nvz | just feels like a real harmony of staff and server around here |
| 06:29.29 | chealer | " The official freenode ircd project, hyperion, is a fork of our original server code project, dancer-ircd, which in turn was a fork of hybrid 6." http://freenode.net/hyperion.shtml |
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| 06:30.18 | swim | whats needed to view encrypted dvds? |
| 06:30.33 | swim | something other than libdvdcss2 ? |
| 06:30.53 | nvz | I could probably be B.S. in #freenode :P |
| 06:31.17 | nvz | but #freenode feels too much like TeenChat on AOL or something |
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| 06:31.24 | nvz | most of the time anyhow |
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| 06:32.22 | midg3t | swim: just a media player that uses libdvdcss2 |
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| 06:33.19 | swim | hmm yah im getting errors with xine+libdvdcss2 |
| 06:33.33 | Guerin | mplayer > * |
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| 06:34.10 | swim | mplayer doesnt handle menu navigation |
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| 06:34.39 | sbalneav | swim: I use ogle myself. |
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| 06:36.56 | jnymo | naw.. nothing but noobs over in #knoppix |
| 06:36.57 | rking | i'm going to win such big points for this... my wife has a DVD of her favorite movie that i couldn't play until ogle. |
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| 06:37.22 | rking | and i'm responsible for us not having a TV, much less a DVD, other than this box. |
| 06:37.25 | rking | so sweeeeeeeeeeet. |
| 06:37.26 | karsten | deadcat: Dude! |
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| 06:38.30 | karsten | deadcat: ... I am *so* tired... |
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| 06:38.42 | swim | hrmm sbalneav im not supposed to mount the dvd prior to playing it am I? (im trying with ogle now btw) |
| 06:38.42 | _ray | ok what is the difference between a wiki a blog and a forum |
| 06:38.47 | nvz | I notice that http://freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml says in paragraph 2, sentance 3 |
| 06:38.55 | karsten | _ray: Yes. |
| 06:39.15 | _ray | karsten: huh? |
| 06:39.17 | nvz | "Servers are hosted, not linked." then in the next paragraph it talks about "Servers may need to be delinked or rehubbed at any time. We cannot always provide notice before a server is delinked." |
| 06:39.23 | karsten | rking: 'wiki' is sort of a special case, generally the idea is that anyone (or a large set of someones) can pretty much edit any page. |
| 06:39.40 | nvz | seems like a contradiction to me |
| 06:40.00 | rking | _ray: the main thing being that wiki's have fewer boundaries. with a blog and a forum, authorship is tied directly to content |
| 06:40.00 | karsten | rking: A 'blog' is usually interpreted as a personal online diary. Though some people consider, say, Slashdot (community forum, really) a blog. |
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| 06:40.17 | jnymo | what is debootstrap and does it replace my kernel? |
| 06:40.23 | rking | karsten: your bad tab completion is making me nervous. =) |
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| 06:40.34 | karsten | rking: Gah! |
| 06:40.38 | karsten | _ray: ^^ |
| 06:40.40 | _ray | thanks guys |
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| 06:40.52 | karsten | rking: It's my brain that's goofing here. |
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| 06:43.40 | jnymo | is there a way to report a spam bot? |
| 06:43.40 | jnymo | holy shit |
| 06:43.41 | jnymo | was that a netsplit? |
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| 06:43.56 | Penix | jnymo: you mean, you're only getting harassed by one? ;P |
| 06:44.07 | jnymo | two just popped up |
| 06:44.10 | jnymo | thre |
| 06:44.11 | jnymo | e |
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| 06:44.48 | karsten | jnymo: There've been botwars on channel. /qery dpkg ops |
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| 06:45.19 | karsten | jnymo: /umode +E to avoid messages from unregistered users. |
| 06:45.53 | jnymo | karsten: we should does that webcam website |
| 06:45.58 | jnymo | er, dos even |
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| 06:46.12 | Penix | yeah, because that makes loads of sense |
| 06:46.27 | karsten | jnymo: Naw, you want to invoke some serious damange, WinNT 'em ;-) |
| 06:46.40 | Gnea | lol |
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| 06:47.49 | reticent | ugh |
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| 06:48.03 | Gnea | that's what i said |
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| 06:48.07 | nvz | heh the last paragraph talks about the password of the dancer account.. says that if you've already spoken to someone and they are interested in your server you can send the password in email, but it should be not easily crackable.. as if sending a password in an email doesnt automatically make it easily cracked (more like sniffed) |
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| 06:48.25 | reticent | i can't believe people still do that |
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| 06:48.36 | Gnea | nvz: who wrote that document? |
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| 06:48.37 | swim | my god! the spam is just out of this world in here |
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| 06:48.56 | Gnea | mswim: it is? |
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| 06:49.14 | swim | to me it is... ive gotten something like 8 spams from people in here |
| 06:49.30 | swim | 9 |
| 06:49.31 | Gnea | just /mode +e |
| 06:49.33 | Gnea | er |
| 06:49.34 | nvz | Gnea: I dont know, doesnt seem to specifically say. |
| 06:49.35 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.36 | Gnea | sorry |
| 06:49.38 | Gnea | upper case |
| 06:49.42 | nvz | Gnea: freenode staff I guess |
| 06:50.13 | Gnea | nvz: i'll bet $10 it was lilo. :) |
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| 06:50.46 | nvz | Gnea: where are you from? it may be less than $10 considering the exchange :P |
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| 06:51.16 | Gnea | nvz: phoenix |
| 06:51.18 | reticent | i'm having an issue with kernel software raid, i had a failed drive which i replaced with a new one. however every time i reboot the system the array is back in a failed state and i have to manually re-add the drive, anyone experience this before? |
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| 06:51.44 | nvz | Gnea: ah. I guess the money is just as good there as it is in the Common Poverty of Pennsylvania |
| 06:52.06 | nvz | I guess that would be CommonPoverty |
| 06:52.21 | Gnea | nvz: that's cuz it snows there |
| 06:52.21 | nvz | or maybe even Commonpoverty |
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| 06:53.04 | nvz | Gnea: well I was in Dallas last winter and it snowed there. |
| 06:53.14 | Penix | xsdg: ping |
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| 06:53.18 | nvz | we had a white christmas as they say |
| 06:53.19 | Gnea | nvz: it doesn't snow in phoenix. |
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| 06:53.41 | nvz | Gnea: thats because I never been there. I bring percipitation with me wherever I go |
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| 06:53.56 | Gnea | nvz: heh |
| 06:53.57 | nvz | I brought the snow to Texas |
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| 06:54.20 | Gnea | nvz: i dunno... might need a few more of us northerners to bring a single flake to this valley ;) |
| 06:54.36 | grendal_prime | ok got a werid one here...i have a sony viao really old one..will not display more than 600 by 800 ...makes things difficult when working with alot of apps. Is there a way to change systmewide fonts so that the apps will fit on the screen? |
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| 06:54.51 | nvz | I live in a valley too :0P |
| 06:55.01 | midg3t | grendal_prime: using gnome? |
| 06:55.07 | grendal_prime | no kde |
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| 06:55.54 | Gnea | nvz: yeah but you live up north, the climate is entirely different |
| 06:55.57 | nvz | The so-called Quaker Valley |
| 06:56.10 | grendal_prime | midg3t, kde, |
| 06:56.15 | Gnea | supposedly, a bird rose from the ashes here |
| 06:56.21 | brady | Anyone use shoutcast server here, I am not able to have it accessable publicly |
| 06:56.30 | jnymo | lots of quakers in penslvania |
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| 06:56.52 | sanxiyn | (Philosophy and Procedure) |
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| 06:57.14 | Gnea | sanxiyn: that's easy: download .iso, burn to cd, pop cd into system, reboot |
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| 06:57.21 | xiao | how to add some one into black list |
| 06:57.24 | sanxiyn | Gnea: ? |
| 06:57.27 | nvz | heh they had a football game down there at the highschool tonight but there were no cheerleaders.. I am not sure if they just didnt have any or they were afraid of a little rain |
| 06:57.42 | syntaxx | !search media player |
| 06:57.49 | Gnea | sanxiyn: well, for procedure at least - for philosophy, keep a 6pack nearby |
| 06:57.51 | Gnea | :) |
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| 06:58.26 | Gnea | ooo |
| 06:58.42 | sanxiyn | Gnea: I was talking about http://www.debian.org/devel/join/nm-step3 |
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| 06:58.55 | nvz | Wasnt the Quakers playing though.. they weren't even from our district. which pisses me off cause the land they paved and made into a parking lot down there they bought off the borough under the condition they would leave the ball-field there for the little leage to play on and they paved it |
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| 06:59.24 | syntaxx | what is the software for playing dvd? |
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| 06:59.42 | nvz | when I am thru with my former workplace I am going to be working on taking action on this damn school district they are robbing this community left and right and I've had about enough of it |
| 07:00.08 | grendal_prime | you go |
| 07:00.15 | grendal_prime | boieyyyyyyyyy |
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| 07:00.27 | Gnea | nvz: robbing it of what? |
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| 07:00.54 | nvz | Gnea: tax dollars among other things |
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| 07:01.04 | nvz | if it were going to education it would be justifiable |
| 07:01.09 | brady | man! tons of bots messaging me, whats the basic command to disable whispers |
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| 07:01.27 | grendal_prime | i hate it when people take my taxdollars...especially when i wanted them and couldnt have them |
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| 07:01.30 | Gnea | nvz: so you're saying that they're taking the $ in the name of education and using it for other things? |
| 07:01.39 | grendal_prime | so...noway to adjust the damn fonts sytem wide? |
| 07:02.04 | jnymo | brady.. check topic |
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| 07:02.33 | nvz | Gnea: lets just say they bought property in another town years ago to move the whole district of schools, and just this summer they tore up all the grass and sidewalk around the schoola and re-did it (nothing wrong with it no pipes or anything underground changed) put on a new roof, tennis courts, parking lots..etc |
| 07:02.43 | sanxiyn | grendal_prime: fonts.conf. |
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| 07:02.50 | nvz | Gnea: then they are going to move the damn thing and charge out the ass for the borough to buy it back |
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| 07:03.16 | nvz | Gnea: after that one piece of property I mentioned they got for next-to-nothing on the condition that ball field stayed.. and its a fucking parking lot |
| 07:03.36 | sanxiyn | grendal_prime: I have "alias serif prefer UnBatang alias sans-serif prefer UnDotum" in my fonts.conf. |
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| 07:03.52 | Gnea | nvz: lemme guess - they smoke all of the pot in town too? |
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| 07:04.06 | Gnea | that's a good song |
| 07:04.09 | nvz | Gnea: who knows.. I wish I could get something solid to nail their asses with |
| 07:04.14 | grendal_prime | sanxiyn, thanks...out of curriosity, setting those smaller..will it make the xserver resize things to better fite lower sceeen sizes? |
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| 07:04.41 | Gnea | nvz: sucks |
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| 07:05.02 | sanxiyn | green_earz: Ah, not font selection, but font size? |
| 07:05.42 | jnymo | so the reason why I installed to the external usb harddrive is.. my internal harddrive has be getting bad blocks.. crashing my OSs.. |
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| 07:06.06 | jnymo | but hey, at least now I have an 40 gig internal swap drive ;) |
| 07:06.07 | nvz | technically I dont figure they are doing anything illegal, and the rest of the community seems willing to sit on their hands and watch their money wasted.. and their children's educations exploited. Just to believe that BS about this being a good school district |
| 07:06.12 | Gnea | jnymo: what kind of hd is it? |
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| 07:06.54 | Gnea | nvz: what's the crime rate like there? |
| 07:06.55 | jnymo | usb maxtor one touch II 100 GB |
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| 07:07.09 | Gnea | jnymo: i meant the one that died |
| 07:07.12 | Gnea | er, that's dying |
| 07:07.15 | Caelum | jnymo: you can easily replace a laptop hd if that's what it is |
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| 07:07.27 | jnc | wow, i just dealt with a little kid on eBay |
| 07:07.29 | jnymo | ah.. sheesh.. dunno |
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| 07:07.36 | Gnea | jnc: literally? |
| 07:07.43 | jnc | Gnea: i *think* so |
| 07:07.46 | nvz | Gnea: right here in the Quaker Valley it is a fairly decent area with little crime.. Pittsburgh to the north and the Beaver Valley to the south, and the neighborhoods on the other side of the river are noticably worse |
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| 07:07.54 | Caelum | jnc: did you send him poisoned snickers bars? |
| 07:07.56 | Gnea | jnc: a lot of idiots on there, gotta watch your back :) |
| 07:07.57 | jnc | i mean, take a look http://pastebin.com/348243 it seems like he wasn't up to par with what t odo |
| 07:07.59 | jnc | haha |
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| 07:08.04 | jnymo | Caelum: don't have access to a computer store handily |
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| 07:08.18 | Caelum | jnymo: pricewatch.com |
| 07:08.27 | jnc | Caelum: i wish |
| 07:08.40 | jnc | i'm much too professional when i do eBay transactions |
| 07:08.47 | swim | im giving up selling my laptop on ebay... had to list 3 times each one cancelled because of fraudulent buyers... |
| 07:08.50 | jnymo | Caelum: okay okay.. I'm with ya |
| 07:08.50 | jnc | it scares them away before i can poison their candybar |
| 07:09.16 | jnc | swim: that's a suck |
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| 07:09.31 | nvz | Gnea: the district is made up of mostly rich neighborhoods only car dealerships are Porche, Audi, Rols, Bently, Mercedes..etc and lots of Starbucks and Brugers shops.. heh |
| 07:09.39 | scanwinder | whats the command to go into standby? |
| 07:09.48 | jnc | scanwinder: perhaps apm -s |
| 07:09.59 | jnc | there are other means to do it i'm sure |
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| 07:10.13 | jnymo | the first thing to ask is, whats the command to come out of standby |
| 07:10.32 | Phated | Wiggle mouse? |
| 07:11.02 | jnc | both valid |
| 07:11.12 | nvz | If you ask me the police are worse than the criminals but thats a whole different issue I can only deal with one issue at a time I am not superman here |
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| 07:11.25 | grendal_prime | advanced power management...i hate the stuff |
| 07:11.46 | grendal_prime | windows machines...i just shut that shit off...it always is a headack.. |
| 07:11.55 | jnc | some wiggle, others pound, all are god's childr$#)jnmd.^^^ |
| 07:12.02 | Gnea | jnc: nice. i did ebay for a few years, trying to get back into it, it's a fun process at times ;) |
| 07:12.11 | jnc | Gnea: indeed |
| 07:12.21 | brady | Enter + Enter + CTRL + ~ (err or is it CTRL BREAK?) |
| 07:12.27 | jnc | i had quite a thrill spending the loot for my Waldorf Q+ synth |
| 07:12.38 | jnc | i was positively ill |
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| 07:13.04 | nvz | I should get some friends and go down there and setup our drums and amps and play that Joni Mitchell song during their events in protest :P |
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| 07:13.15 | jnc | Gnea: i'm nearly convinced that slyfoxsnook is trying to scam mee |
| 07:13.28 | Gnea | jnc: heh, i put all sorts of alarms on my auctions |
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| 07:13.42 | knopX | hello everyone |
| 07:13.46 | jnc | Gnea: eBay should put out weather reports |
| 07:13.49 | Gnea | jnc: yeah, the nick alone makes a rather loud 'ding!' |
| 07:13.56 | jnc | "well, it's raining retards in the DJ section today" |
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| 07:13.58 | Gnea | jnc: haahhaha |
| 07:14.05 | Gnea | yeah |
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| 07:14.23 | jnc | sorry, and thanks. need to blow off some steam |
| 07:14.32 | jnc | that little bastard sucked up 50 minutes to deal with |
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| 07:15.07 | jnc | what was that bash quote "reach out and slap somebody, would be rich" |
| 07:15.28 | jnc | over the internet. Person 2 Person Slapping Protocol / IP |
| 07:15.46 | jnc | i'm feelin' it now. |
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| 07:15.58 | jnc | Gnea: what sort of wares do you sell on the 'Bay? |
| 07:16.37 | Gnea | jnc: all sorts man, usually used stuff |
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| 07:16.59 | jnc | that's cool |
| 07:17.11 | Gnea | jnc: i just moved so i'm about to setup computer-related things again |
| 07:17.14 | jnc | i sold just this one item, and was pretty nervous about messing it up |
| 07:17.21 | jnc | :) |
| 07:17.21 | Gnea | nod |
| 07:17.25 | Gnea | done that :) |
| 07:17.34 | SanityInAnarchy | anyone know of a small, simple Windows program to create and allocate a large file without actually writing the whole thing out? |
| 07:17.41 | grendal_prime | i sold 3 cars on ebay |
| 07:17.53 | Gnea | i sent a booklet out once with a game and it had a coffee stain that made the pages stick together and i didn't realize it until i got an email from the buyer |
| 07:17.59 | jnc | grendal_prime: stupid question time, were they yours? |
| 07:18.10 | Gnea | the bitch extorted another game threatening feedback :P |
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| 07:18.24 | grendal_prime | one for 1400 bucks ya...well most were given to me..but ummm i assumed they were mine? |
| 07:18.28 | jnc | Gnea: haha. i would wet myself if that happened |
| 07:18.32 | Gnea | i made an honest effort to find another, but it just wasn't possible |
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| 07:19.03 | Gnea | jnc: so i just got her a $1 widget, sent it out for a buck and a half, got PFB :) |
| 07:19.21 | grendal_prime | you know that xfce desktop enviro..its pretty damn quick |
| 07:19.57 | jnc | Gnea: :) |
| 07:19.59 | jnc | you know |
| 07:20.04 | Gnea | jnc: cool thing is, i've always used debian to do everything on there with |
| 07:20.08 | jnc | i never had a seller tell me to kiss his ass until tonight |
| 07:20.21 | Gnea | heh |
| 07:20.27 | jnc | that was new and unique |
| 07:20.29 | Gnea | that's rare |
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| 07:20.42 | jnc | maybe i can sell that IM conversation |
| 07:20.45 | jnc | that would pwn |
| 07:20.48 | jnc | if someone bought it |
| 07:21.15 | jnc | F/OSS is cool, i have used jbidwatcher successfully a few times |
| 07:21.46 | Gnea | heh |
| 07:21.57 | Gnea | i used the original a few times, it's alright |
| 07:22.16 | jnc | yeah, it's not bad |
| 07:22.27 | dak | nice |
| 07:22.38 | dak | kde3.4 is in sid |
| 07:22.39 | jnc | there's nothing F/OSS i've seen yet that compares with the eBay management tools available |
| 07:22.42 | jnc | ooh |
| 07:22.45 | Gnea | after the first few times it becomes apparant that it's not really necessary :) |
| 07:22.51 | jnc | right |
| 07:22.51 | jnc | :) |
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| 07:23.33 | Gnea | grrrr |
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| 07:24.43 | brady | Well take care. I got to research this problem of mine online |
| 07:25.39 | Gnea | oh great |
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| 07:25.42 | Gnea | it IS the cdrom |
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| 07:26.24 | SimonRaven | hint: tftp, dhcp |
| 07:26.28 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 07:26.41 | grendal_prime | anyone using a net-bootable kernel? |
| 07:27.06 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: there's really not much special about them |
| 07:27.15 | jnc | Gnea: you could do it with dnsmasq if you're really hard core about it |
| 07:27.18 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: the main thing is that they need to do dhcp/bootp early |
| 07:27.38 | grendal_prime | ya, so basically need a netboot nic right? |
| 07:27.45 | SimonRaven | slightly different kernel config, and a machine to serve as netboot source |
| 07:27.45 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: yes |
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| 07:28.05 | Gnea | yeah i probably need to get some rarpd in on that too |
| 07:28.06 | Gnea | been awhile |
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| 07:28.10 | SimonRaven | the rest is details |
| 07:28.10 | grendal_prime | hmm no 2.6.8 for k6... |
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| 07:28.26 | grendal_prime | i guess i would use the pent 3 celleron? |
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| 07:30.01 | justin420 | hi, anybody know anything about a Restarting Bootlog daemon: bootlogd: cannot find console device 136:1 in /dev/bootlogd? i googled it, and couldnt seem to find anything? |
| 07:30.22 | WcktKlwn | does anyone know of a website that has a good howto on compiling a linux kernel? |
| 07:30.31 | grendal_prime | im going to bed..im like knodding off..and im sure the wife is not going to be happy |
| 07:31.13 | Gil_ | !tell WcktKlwn about kernel howto |
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| 07:31.19 | jnc | green_earz: use 386, then compile your own kernel perhaps |
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| 07:31.45 | jnc | green_earz: you might find a backports.org version for it |
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| 07:32.23 | SimonRaven | er, grendal_prime is gone, and you're tabbing the wrong nick |
| 07:32.50 | tchino | how can switch off spam-invitation by xchat here |
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| 07:33.00 | SimonRaven | /topic |
| 07:33.24 | syntaxx | what is the name of the dvd player? |
| 07:33.29 | nvz | oh well camera seems to be missing in action |
| 07:33.41 | SimonRaven | pick one |
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| 07:34.03 | Coag | syntaxx, try totem |
| 07:34.04 | palmieri | hello |
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| 07:34.35 | tchino | i get always invitation here |
| 07:34.37 | palmieri | anubody could help me with cinelerra instalation, in ubuntu ppc? |
| 07:34.48 | SimonRaven | #ubuntu-ppc |
| 07:34.57 | SimonRaven | or is it -powerpc? |
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| 07:35.07 | palmieri | #ubuntu-ppc |
| 07:35.15 | palmieri | ok. tks |
| 07:35.31 | SimonRaven | thank you |
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| 07:38.11 | phretor | hi there |
| 07:38.19 | SimonRaven | where? |
| 07:38.34 | mike_ | overthere >> |
| 07:38.53 | SimonRaven | i thought < over there |
| 07:39.08 | mike_ | okay i just got pm flooded by some sex bots |
| 07:39.16 | SimonRaven | /topic |
| 07:39.27 | mike_ | i know |
| 07:39.29 | mike_ | i read it |
| 07:39.39 | SimonRaven | amazing |
| 07:39.42 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 07:39.55 | mike_ | right, im off |
| 07:39.57 | mike_ | chow now |
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| 07:40.17 | nvz | << over there is Bell Acres and over there >> is Moon Township.. so I am obviously facing south :P |
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| 07:40.32 | palmieri | hey, sorry my perturbation, in ubuntu-ppc nobody reply me. somebody could help me? |
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| 07:41.35 | valdyn | palmieri: wrong channel |
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| 07:42.14 | palmieri | valdyn, can help me? |
| 07:42.21 | Scorpaen | hey folks. i'm having dvd burning problems. i've got a 4.3 GB rar file i want to burn to dvd, but i've wasted about 5 blank dvds so far. i was using k3b. now i'm trying to make the image with xcdroast, here's what the image creation process gives me - http://pastebin.com/348253 |
| 07:42.35 | syntaxx | i have configure my apache so far it works on localhost but when i try to browse it using my ip it says connection refused any idea why is that? |
| 07:43.02 | jnc | Scorpaen: might be that the file is too much data |
| 07:43.05 | valdyn | Scorpaen: try 'growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=file.iso' |
| 07:43.53 | chealer | syntaxx: did it do that before you configured apache? are you using a firewall? |
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| 07:43.56 | Scorpaen | it's an rar file |
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| 07:44.13 | valdyn | scanwinder: oh, you cannot burn 4.3G sized files to an iso9660 filesystem, appearantly |
| 07:44.13 | Scorpaen | so should i try growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=file.rar ? |
| 07:44.31 | valdyn | Scorpaen: no ( though you could theoretically ) |
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| 07:44.41 | syntaxx | chealer, not yet.. but i am on a router |
| 07:44.49 | jzono1 | can anyone help me with nfs? |
| 07:44.59 | valdyn | Scorpaen: split up that rar file, with rar itself or split(1) |
| 07:45.11 | jzono1 | i thin k the error is somewhat related to a version mismatch |
| 07:45.19 | Scorpaen | valdyn, so i should split it up into 1gb chunks or something? |
| 07:45.20 | jzono1 | how do i fix that? |
| 07:45.23 | chealer | syntaxx: can you ping the server? |
| 07:45.55 | syntaxx | chealer, ping my local ip? |
| 07:46.07 | valdyn | Scorpaen: yes |
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| 07:46.35 | syntaxx | chealer, yeah i can ping the server |
| 07:46.44 | chealer | syntaxx: well, what was the apache problem? reaching the httpd from localhost using IP or from another machine? |
| 07:46.55 | aomighty | Just like to thank all the Debian devs, love the distro, my favorite so far... :) |
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| 07:47.13 | aomighty | Anyway I can contribute with light programming or anything else? |
| 07:47.16 | palmieri | some powerpc user here? |
| 07:47.28 | syntaxx | chealer, another machine |
| 07:47.38 | valdyn | Scorpaen: you *could* burn that rar directly and get it back by 'cat /dev/dvd >file.rar', but im not sure you'd want that.. |
| 07:47.39 | chealer | palmieri: if it's debian, ask #debianppc |
| 07:47.47 | palmieri | tks |
| 07:47.53 | palmieri | #debianppc |
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| 07:48.03 | syntaxx | chealer, when i try it using by dns but when on local ip it shows |
| 07:48.36 | Gnea | aomighty: well, i've got a script that sets up E17 via cvs automagically that i'm looking for some feedback on :) it's a precursor at this point toward building more reliable .deb files |
| 07:48.41 | jnc | aomighty: depends |
| 07:48.48 | chealer | syntaxx: and what you said is you could ping the IP from the machine that can't reach apache, right? |
| 07:48.48 | kc | hi I would like some help on mounting an exported directory |
| 07:48.55 | jnc | aomighty: what kind of projects do you enjoy working with? |
| 07:49.08 | Gnea | !tell kc about ask |
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| 07:49.28 | syntaxx | chealer, yeah |
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| 07:49.55 | aomighty | jnc: anything i guess. anything you have in mind? |
| 07:49.57 | Gnea | aomighty: http://gnea.net/debian_e17_install2cvs.sh |
| 07:50.10 | chealer | syntaxx: is there an ISP routing the traffic between those 2 machines? |
| 07:50.15 | Gnea | aomighty: if you know anything about it, that is |
| 07:50.30 | syntaxx | chealer, none |
| 07:50.31 | valdyn | Gnea: your script is creating debs? |
| 07:50.38 | Gnea | valdyn: not yet. |
| 07:50.42 | kc | I have a problem where I am trying to mount a directory on server1. That server1 has that same directory mounted from another server2. The server1 is exporting the directory yet I am getting a Permission denied error. |
| 07:50.57 | Gnea | valdyn: i have much to learn before doing that :) |
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| 07:51.10 | syntaxx | chealer, when i try to open it via http://192.blah.blah.blah it shows but when on my own ip or my dns it dont |
| 07:51.11 | aomighty | gnea: ill take a look, though outlook on being able to help is doubtful, i dont know much bash. i mainly do C :) |
| 07:51.13 | Gnea | valdyn: this is an alternative to shadoi's debs |
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| 07:51.27 | valdyn | Gnea: i just figured that the e17 cvs repository already contains debian/rules to create debs ), however e17 itself gets a version tag smaller than e16 in debian |
| 07:51.29 | Gnea | aomighty: it's all good :) |
| 07:51.43 | IveGotADD | I've got a simple question ... looking to colorize " ls " ... i know there useta be a package called colorls or something alike... anyone have a better memory than I do ? |
| 07:51.46 | kc | I have a problem where I am trying to mount a directory from server1. That server1 has that same directory mounted from another server2. The server1 is exporting the directory yet I am getting a Permission denied error. |
| 07:51.47 | Gnea | valdyn: yeah, and for good reason |
| 07:52.08 | valdyn | Gnea: which good reason? i find that annoying. |
| 07:52.09 | Gnea | IveGotADD: ls --color=auto |
| 07:52.17 | IveGotADD | hrm.. |
| 07:52.17 | chealer | syntaxx: by "my own ip", you mean your IP on Internet, right? |
| 07:52.25 | syntaxx | chealer, yep |
| 07:52.28 | IveGotADD | Gnea: I've got something like that in my zshrc file |
| 07:52.29 | Gnea | valdyn: E17 is still in development, it's not stable yet. |
| 07:52.29 | IveGotADD | (shrug) |
| 07:52.49 | valdyn | Gnea: yea.. but e16 has a *higher* version tag. |
| 07:52.54 | Gnea | IveGotADD: you want everything to get colored? |
| 07:53.09 | IveGotADD | yes |
| 07:53.11 | Gnea | valdyn: so? |
| 07:53.14 | chealer | syntaxx: so there must be an ISP routing the traffic when you access the webserver with the internet IP/DNS, no? |
| 07:53.20 | Gnea | IveGotADD: ccze |
| 07:53.25 | IveGotADD | ahh |
| 07:53.43 | Gnea | ls -l | ccze |
| 07:53.48 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.48 | IveGotADD | The other small problem is i cant get my usb mouse working =\ |
| 07:53.52 | Gnea | oops |
| 07:54.08 | Gnea | that's an X configuration issue |
| 07:54.16 | IveGotADD | gdm is running but refuses to let me use my mouse (would have copied/pasted) my config file line |
| 07:54.23 | IveGotADD | it works in x but not in console |
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| 07:54.45 | Gnea | gdm? |
| 07:54.57 | Gnea | gdm is used by X |
| 07:55.01 | Gnea | you mean gpm? |
| 07:55.06 | suzzi | any one have any oppinions: CVS or Subversion ? |
| 07:55.18 | valdyn | !polls |
| 07:55.19 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 07:55.33 | syntaxx | chealer, no |
| 07:55.34 | suzzi | ohhh badgers |
| 07:55.41 | syntaxx | chealer, err.. i guess |
| 07:55.57 | aomighty | gnea: script looks pretty good, and i understood it mostly. what problem have you been having? |
| 07:56.01 | IveGotADD | gpm ? |
| 07:56.08 | chealer | syntaxx: then are you sure that ISP doesn't block traffic on port 80? |
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| 07:56.22 | kc | I have a problem where I am trying to mount a directory from server1. That server1 has that same directory mounted from another server2. The server1 is exporting the directory yet I am getting a Permission denied error. |
| 07:56.33 | sanxiyn | "C is the scripting language I feel most comfortable with." -- Junichi Uekawa |
| 07:56.42 | nvz | IveGotADD: general purpose mouse interface |
| 07:56.56 | Gnea | IveGotADD: have you actually been diagnosed by a doctor with ADD? |
| 07:56.59 | nvz | when was C ever a scripting language |
| 07:57.05 | sanxiyn | nvz: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/08/msg01678.html |
| 07:57.10 | syntaxx | chealer, hmm ill check my router |
| 07:57.17 | IveGotADD | ahh fixed it |
| 07:57.23 | chealer | nobody knows assembly these days |
| 07:57.38 | Gnea | kc: nfs? |
| 07:57.38 | sanxiyn | nvz: Apparently many do. |
| 07:57.45 | sanxiyn | oops, |
| 07:57.47 | IveGotADD | working a long night ... and i haven't slept in 48 hours ... been a bad week ... had 2 drives go on a raid 5 array of 2tb =\ |
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| 07:57.48 | sanxiyn | was to chealer. |
| 07:57.50 | IveGotADD | lots tons of data |
| 07:58.09 | chealer | sanxiyn: just replying to nvz :-P |
| 07:58.16 | Gnea | if it was raid then shouldn't have lost the data |
| 07:58.20 | Gnea | that's the whole point behind raid |
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| 07:58.29 | nvz | sanxiyn: interesting |
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| 07:58.34 | nvz | I guess |
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| 07:58.49 | nvz | in an uninteresting kind of way |
| 07:58.56 | IveGotADD | Gnea: 2 drives went at the same time ... odd! |
| 07:58.56 | chealer | syntaxx: the router or the ISP do look like the most likely problems |
| 07:58.59 | Gnea | IveGotADD: gpm is the mouse daemon for the console, you just need to reconfigure it - gpmconfig |
| 07:59.07 | Gnea | IveGotADD: what brand? |
| 07:59.12 | IveGotADD | Gnea: I was missing the package... figures |
| 07:59.34 | IveGotADD | Gnea: western digital (all put in the raid array from a vendor we are no longer going to use) |
| 07:59.38 | IveGotADD | 200gb drives |
| 08:00.00 | Gnea | IveGotADD: sata? |
| 08:00.04 | IveGotADD | IDE |
| 08:00.08 | Gnea | ! |
| 08:00.12 | Gnea | ick |
| 08:00.13 | nvz | heh I typed comedy into gift and the top result (most sources) was "Teen Sex in the bathroom" |
| 08:00.15 | IveGotADD | 7200rpm IDE |
| 08:00.16 | IveGotADD | =o |
| 08:00.20 | Gnea | that's sick |
| 08:00.21 | Gnea | and wrong |
| 08:00.41 | IveGotADD | Gnea: its what the company had when I got there and now am the Network Administrator |
| 08:00.44 | sanxiyn | A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. |
| 08:00.44 | Gnea | now scsi or sata, i could see some reliability |
| 08:00.48 | aomighty | Just a question: does anyone know how hard it would be to hack debian sarge with bastille + firewall +psad + router firewall and most things enabled? |
| 08:00.50 | Gnea | but ide? got what you deserve |
| 08:01.01 | Gnea | IveGotADD: hehehe |
| 08:01.09 | IveGotADD | Gnea: Like I said it was in place when I got here ... haven't changed a thing |
| 08:01.11 | sanxiyn | Someone wants to rename texconfig to tex-config (thus forcing many packages to change) just to be "consistent". Ugh. |
| 08:01.34 | Gnea | IveGotADD: do yourself and everyone there a favor: as soon as humanly possible, justify getting a highpoint raid controller and some sata drives |
| 08:01.43 | dak | aomighty: it really matters what is running, services and that shit |
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| 08:02.02 | IveGotADD | Gnea: for the color ls thing its a little less than what you want me to use ccze is a little much ... "ls -G" was the preset command in my .zshrc file |
| 08:02.09 | dak | could take 5 seconds to root some thing so theirs your answer |
| 08:02.31 | nvz | bastille and firewalls are next to useless if you dont know anything about them |
| 08:02.39 | IveGotADD | Gnea: We are going w/ scsi raid arrays from now on ... |
| 08:02.56 | IveGotADD | going to get a few tb's up and running shortly |
| 08:02.58 | aomighty | dak: yeah, i figured im not very safe if someone wants to get to me. the veteran cracker types could probably get me in a second... luckily there aren't too many of them :) |
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| 08:03.12 | sanxiyn | aomighty: Heh. |
| 08:03.15 | nvz | heh |
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| 08:03.28 | Gnea | IveGotADD: do you know what -G does? |
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| 08:03.31 | nvz | yeah those types dont hang out around here |
| 08:03.31 | dak | theirs ways to stop stuff shit aomight byt you gotta set |
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| 08:03.54 | dak | shit up the right way with iptables |
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| 08:04.03 | sanxiyn | Gnea: It shows color. |
| 08:04.10 | dak | thats where you should go look is the iptables howto/faq |
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| 08:04.14 | nvz | !yinzersmite dak |
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| 08:04.24 | Gnea | you've got to be kidding me. |
| 08:04.27 | dak | whatever that means |
| 08:04.33 | Gnea | sanxiyn: oh yeah? in what version of ls? |
| 08:04.38 | kc | can I export a virtual file system ? |
| 08:04.52 | sanxiyn | Gnea: FreeBSD. |
| 08:04.55 | sanxiyn | Gnea: See http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ls |
| 08:05.05 | IveGotADD | Gnea: This is from a FreeBSD box that I useta use |
| 08:05.07 | Gnea | sanxiyn: hello, is this #freebsd? |
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| 08:05.08 | sanxiyn | -G: enable colorized output. |
| 08:05.16 | aomighty | dak: yeah, im not too worried, i dont have much valuable stuff that isn't backed up :) |
| 08:05.22 | nvz | dak: I would think with the way you talk you'd understand yinzerisms.. which part didn't you understand? |
| 08:05.27 | sanxiyn | Gnea: I'm just saying that in some version of ls ls -G does color output. |
| 08:05.36 | IveGotADD | sanxiyn: agreed |
| 08:05.39 | nvz | your usage of the word shit every other word was impressive |
| 08:06.04 | sanxiyn | IveGotADD: Well, it is --color in GNU version of ls. |
| 08:06.10 | jnc | what is nvz going on about |
| 08:06.20 | dak | who knows or cares |
| 08:06.29 | Gnea | that's what i told him |
| 08:06.32 | Gnea | --color=auto |
| 08:06.34 | jnc | oh! |
| 08:06.35 | jnc | oh. |
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| 08:06.39 | nvz | I was smiting him for his inability to speak english |
| 08:06.49 | dak | why not just set it in your .bashrc ls --color that is.. |
| 08:06.50 | nvz | he didnt seem to understand some part of it |
| 08:06.59 | jnc | nvz: that could be a problem |
| 08:07.00 | jnc | heh |
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| 08:07.47 | nvz | pooshes dak aht da winda an yells "chawt dahnere". is pittsburghese for pushes dak out the window and shouts "watch out down there" |
| 08:08.11 | dak | nvz yeah, thats great. |
| 08:08.13 | nvz | spoken like a true yinzer |
| 08:08.36 | Gnea | have the bladders run dry yet? |
| 08:08.37 | dak | dont you have to be up in 2 hours to milk some cows ? |
| 08:08.45 | nvz | heh |
| 08:08.52 | nvz | they dont have cows around here |
| 08:09.36 | nvz | s/milk some cows/mug some crackheads/ would be more appropriate |
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| 08:09.45 | sanxiyn | .iisai lo tavla poi mi na ka'e jimpe |
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| 08:09.54 | nvz | probably happens more often dahntahn |
| 08:10.24 | dak | id rather deal with crackheads then hicks |
| 08:10.31 | IveGotADD | brb |
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| 08:10.59 | Gnea | dak: what's wrong, did a hick find your 'sweet spot' once? |
| 08:11.09 | sanxiyn | The most obscure package of the day: jbofihe |
| 08:11.13 | sanxiyn | !info jbofihe |
| 08:11.16 | dpkg | jbofihe: (A parser for the lojban language), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.38-5 (sid), Packaged size: 606 kB, Installed size: 1920 kB |
| 08:11.22 | nvz | hicks are rural insophisticates yinzers are urban |
| 08:11.44 | Gnea | yup |
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| 08:12.12 | sanxiyn | That can even rival bogosort. |
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| 08:13.18 | Gnea | hicks take pride in the work that they do for the yinzers, but they despise the yinzers due to the cluelessness of the yinzer to realize the symbiotic nature between the two, so it becomes a rift of idiocy |
| 08:13.56 | nvz | pittsburgh once attracted people from all over to its triving steel industry.. caused an interesting cultural melting pot to form in the area.. the slang is used extensivly here and some of it is quite unique to the area. |
| 08:14.37 | Gnea | lots of eastern cities like that, a few midwestern too |
| 08:14.47 | sanxiyn | Languages evolve. |
| 08:14.53 | tchino | on debian woody, i get my own webpage from my client over http://ownservername.owndomain/~tchino, how can adjust that under apapche2 |
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| 08:15.07 | Gnea | pittsburgh, philly, rochester, chicago, milwaukee.... |
| 08:15.15 | tchino | apache2 under debian sarge |
| 08:15.33 | nvz | yeah well I've been around and there are lots of things unique to this city. its like the only place within 600 miles or so you will find a pirogie or someone who knows what one is |
| 08:15.43 | Gnea | tchino: look in /etc/apache2 |
| 08:15.54 | sanxiyn | tchino: Do you mean public_html thing? |
| 08:16.00 | sanxiyn | tchino: You don't need to do any for that. |
| 08:16.02 | Gnea | nvz: yum |
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| 08:17.05 | tchino | sanxiyn: where is public_html |
| 08:17.14 | sanxiyn | tchino: You make one under your home directory. |
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| 08:17.36 | sanxiyn | /home/user/public_html will map to http://server/~user/ . |
| 08:17.38 | IveGotADD | hello again |
| 08:17.40 | IveGotADD | fixed all of it |
| 08:17.48 | IveGotADD | Gnea: Thank you very much |
| 08:17.54 | Gnea | good job |
| 08:18.00 | Gnea | np |
| 08:18.02 | sanxiyn | tchino: If you want to change... well you don't. |
| 08:18.08 | IveGotADD | i fixed irssi to work correctly now =] |
| 08:18.15 | Codemaster_ | dondelelcaro, bouh |
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| 08:19.39 | nvz | ;) |
| 08:19.46 | IveGotADD | ooh ? |
| 08:20.06 | nvz | ooh ? what ? |
| 08:20.09 | Codemaster_ | sorry to bother, but i'm in trouble building a new module blootbot, i wonder if any have some expereiences |
| 08:20.21 | syntaxx | chealer, i nmap localhost it gaves me open port 113 and port 80 but when i nmap my ip no open port 80 and some port are filtered |
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| 08:20.30 | Gnea | lol |
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| 08:21.35 | chealer | syntaxx: if the difference is not only 80, I'd guess it's the router |
| 08:22.07 | syntaxx | chealer, i saw a ddns on router which allowing dyndns.. ill check it out.. thanks |
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| 08:25.06 | chealer | syntaxx: I don't know what's ddns though |
| 08:25.40 | syntaxx | chealer, DDNS allows users to map the static domain name to a dynamic IP address. You must get a account, password and your static domain name from the DDNS service providers. Our products have DDNS support for www.dyndns.org and www.tzo.com now. |
| 08:25.53 | tchino | sanxiyn: ok, it goes, but i want, that it jump automatically in index.shtml |
| 08:26.31 | sanxiyn | tchino: Consult Apache documentation. |
| 08:26.46 | sanxiyn | tchino: Namely, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ |
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| 08:27.27 | syntaxx | chealer, do u think thats the one on router? |
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| 08:27.59 | sanxiyn | tchino: Okay, open /etc/apache2.conf, search DirectoryIndex, add index.shtml there. |
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| 08:28.47 | chealer | syntaxx: where did you quote that from? |
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| 08:29.14 | syntaxx | chealer, from the router control panel |
| 08:29.35 | sanxiyn | tchino: Do read Apache documentation though. |
| 08:30.10 | nvz | I must be getting tired cause until now I didnt realize syntaxx and sanxiyn were different |
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| 08:30.56 | syntaxx | lol |
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| 08:31.32 | sanxiyn | LOL (capitalized, because it is acronym?!) |
| 08:31.43 | nvz | !lol |
| 08:31.44 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line. Everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a Knoppix user. |
| 08:31.49 | nvz | no.. |
| 08:31.52 | nvz | ~lol |
| 08:31.54 | apt | well, lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
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| 08:32.27 | sanxiyn | ~heh |
| 08:32.29 | apt | heh |
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| 08:32.37 | nvz | heh |
| 08:32.49 | sanxiyn | ~haha |
| 08:32.50 | apt | heh |
| 08:32.53 | sanxiyn | ... |
| 08:32.56 | ^Duffy^ | is it possible to modify crontab -e, to use nano instead of vi? |
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| 08:33.20 | nvz | anything vi can to nano cant to better.. |
| 08:33.21 | sanxiyn | ^Duffy^: yes |
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| 08:33.27 | nvz | that should be a song |
| 08:33.29 | ^Duffy^ | sanxiyn: how? ;P |
| 08:33.30 | sanxiyn | ^Duffy^: Set your EDITOR. |
| 08:33.32 | oland | ho ho ho |
| 08:33.34 | Tecky- | how do i stop gnome from starting at bootup ? ... looked in /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 08:33.35 | ^Duffy^ | wgere= |
| 08:33.37 | ^Duffy^ | where*? |
| 08:33.49 | oland | apt: kde? |
| 08:33.52 | apt | /j #debian-kde, read the topic for more information, or lame |
| 08:33.52 | sanxiyn | ^Duffy^: Anywhere you can set environment variable. |
| 08:34.09 | chealer | syntaxx: ok, I can't say if that's a specific dynamic dns product or an abbreviation for dynamic dns. but I don't understand what "the one" is referring to in "do u think thats the one on router?" |
| 08:34.12 | nvz | I need to figure out who to pitch at about for nano being in base |
| 08:34.20 | sanxiyn | ^Duffy^: For example, try EDITOR=nano crontab -e |
| 08:34.21 | nvz | s/pitch/bitch/ |
| 08:34.34 | ^Duffy^ | sanxiyn: will do |
| 08:34.52 | sanxiyn | (or even EDITOR=gedit crontab -e haha) |
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| 08:36.25 | syntaxx | chealer, i mean do u think that is the problem the ddns on my router? |
| 08:36.40 | chealer | !u |
| 08:36.40 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 08:36.48 | chealer | syntaxx: no |
| 08:37.04 | nvz | hey, someone shot Suge, kudos to them |
| 08:37.18 | sanxiyn | No, U is uranium. |
| 08:37.19 | nvz | thats what he gets for killing tupac.. heh |
| 08:37.46 | syntaxx | chealer, hmm i tried to put username hostname and password to ddns for dyndns.org and apply.. but nothings happen |
| 08:37.48 | nvz | unfortunatly he survived |
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| 08:38.22 | Tecky- | how do i stop gnome from starting at bootup ? ... looked in /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 08:38.36 | syntaxx | chealer, it still refusing =\ |
| 08:38.39 | nvz | Tecky-: you mean gdm? |
| 08:38.42 | Tecky- | yes |
| 08:38.45 | Tecky- | i know its rc6.d |
| 08:38.54 | Tecky- | but i dont want to delete the file in there as its linked outside the directory |
| 08:39.01 | Tecky- | or is it safe to ? |
| 08:39.01 | nvz | Tecky-: update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 08:39.09 | Tecky- | ahh |
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| 08:39.28 | nvz | Tecky-: that removes gdm links from all runlevels |
| 08:39.31 | Tecky- | nice |
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| 08:40.17 | Tecky- | anyone recomend a good decent debian book ? |
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| 08:40.26 | chealer | syntaxx: I don't see how that would help you. dynamic dns is optional |
| 08:40.41 | sanxiyn | Tecky-: In English? |
| 08:40.42 | syntaxx | hmm.. |
| 08:40.46 | Tecky- | syntaxx: yes |
| 08:40.56 | sanxiyn | Tecky-: I'm not syntaxx. |
| 08:41.04 | Tecky- | not a newb book ... something moderate to advanced |
| 08:41.06 | Tecky- | ahh sorry |
| 08:41.06 | nvz | told you they look the same |
| 08:41.11 | Tecky- | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.57 | nvz | I dont know why because they dont start and end with the same letter, but they are the same length |
| 08:42.03 | sanxiyn | Tecky-: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible, or The Debian System. |
| 08:42.17 | Tecky- | sanxiyn: Thank you |
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| 08:42.39 | sanxiyn | Tecky-: Both are too thick for my taste. :( |
| 08:43.22 | nvz | I wonder if I never learned to speed read if this would still happen my eyes are trained to overlook lesser significant parts of things |
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| 08:45.05 | chealer | syntaxx: I don't know your router, and just received my first one yesterday, so don't count on me to help you from here |
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| 08:45.24 | nvz | most would still able understand what saying without lesser significant bits |
| 08:46.19 | syntaxx | chealer, yeah.. thanks |
| 08:47.03 | sanxiyn | Natural languages usually force its users to specify unnecessary informations. |
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| 08:47.10 | sanxiyn | Like, plurality. |
| 08:47.42 | nvz | but it works better when they are still there. because one of the key things about speed reading is recognizing words only by length and first and last letter |
| 08:47.51 | sanxiyn | (I used to hate that in English. Now adapted.) |
| 08:48.13 | onlinebacon | I can speed read :P |
| 08:48.15 | sanxiyn | Or, mandatory subject, or mandatory tense. |
| 08:48.18 | chealer | sanxiyn: gender is a lot worst |
| 08:48.27 | onlinebacon | Or ar least I think I can |
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| 08:48.32 | sanxiyn | Why should I specify tense where things are clear (with context) without them? |
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| 08:48.45 | sanxiyn | chealer: No, I hate plurality/subject/tense more than gender. |
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| 08:49.05 | sanxiyn | Chinese do well without mandatory plurality/tense/subject. |
| 08:49.16 | jnc | hey uh, fellow debian folks whom have experience with eBay |
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| 08:49.22 | onlinebacon | I do |
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| 08:49.29 | jnc | if the terms of payment timeframe are not listed, what do you think they are? |
| 08:49.34 | jnc | like 30 days or something? |
| 08:49.52 | onlinebacon | I would say 3 or 4 days after the auction, or straight away |
| 08:49.57 | nvz | onlinebacon: takes practice. I had this program called eye-Q for windows once that really does seem to help speed up reading in a much different way than traditional speed reading tactics |
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| 08:50.26 | nvz | all you had to do is follow objects with your eyes for a few minutes each day, then it would test your reading and give you a report. |
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| 08:50.41 | nvz | I nearly doubled my speed each time I used it |
| 08:50.41 | onlinebacon | Yeah, I just wis I could type as fast as I could read then I would be set, I usually am able to tell the word by the shape, used to do a LOT of reading |
| 08:50.43 | sanxiyn | Natural languages have a lot of redundancies... |
| 08:50.54 | sanxiyn | Well, because people need them. |
| 08:51.24 | sanxiyn | Let's use Ithkuil (just kidding) http://home.inreach.com/sl2120/Ithkuil/ |
| 08:51.25 | Tecky- | Sleep& |
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| 08:51.26 | Tecky- | nite all |
| 08:51.28 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 08:51.30 | onlinebacon | nite |
| 08:51.33 | onlinebacon | hi |
| 08:51.39 | poonj | I tried upgrading the totem movie player |
| 08:51.52 | poonj | apparently it needs to install the package kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 08:52.01 | poonj | however, I'm getting an error when the package tries to install |
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| 08:52.17 | poonj | it says it can't cp a directory |
| 08:52.17 | nvz | someone should make an open-source program like Eye-Q it really works IMO and its a really simple app |
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| 08:52.46 | chealer | poonj: what release? |
| 08:52.49 | poonj | sarge |
| 08:52.54 | poonj | I'm using 2.6.12 right now though |
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| 08:53.11 | chealer | heh...which kernels do you have installed? |
| 08:53.26 | nvz | If it weren't for the fact I refuse to use commercial software I would probably still be Eye-Q testing daily |
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| 08:53.56 | poonj | I have 2.4.27 and 2.6.11 and 2.6.12 |
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| 08:54.18 | onlinebacon | I would really love it if Debian had a version in between net install and full binary, giving you a X window system, a web browser, and a WM :P but I guess we are lucky enough with what we got atm :D |
| 08:54.23 | poonj | how about this.. |
| 08:54.36 | poonj | is there a way to reverse the packges that were instlaled? |
| 08:54.42 | chealer | poonj: a stock 2.4.27? |
| 08:54.47 | poonj | chealer: yeah |
| 08:54.54 | chealer | poonj: which one? |
| 08:54.59 | nvz | onlinebacon: debian gives you more than enough tools to make your own custom cds even live ones |
| 08:55.09 | poonj | 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 08:55.18 | onlinebacon | cooll, hadnt explored it much, sorry :) |
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| 08:55.32 | nvz | I've thought about making my own cd set with my fav packages but never bothered to actually do it |
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| 08:55.52 | onlinebacon | ah, why? |
| 08:56.02 | cahoot | too busy ircing |
| 08:56.13 | sanxiyn | cahoot: oh |
| 08:56.21 | sentinel | hi, I just noticed that the timezone doesn't account for daylight savings... is there a way to change that? |
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| 08:56.39 | onlinebacon | hehe |
| 08:57.00 | onlinebacon | anyone else getting loadsa spam messages recently? |
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| 08:57.01 | chealer | poonj: so when you say you have 2.4.27, you mean you only have what the failed install installed, right? |
| 08:57.01 | cahoot | sanxiyn: mean you think? |
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| 08:57.09 | nvz | onlinebacon: /topic |
| 08:57.13 | poonj | chealer: probably yeah |
| 08:57.19 | sentinel | onlinebacon: yeah, kiddy activity, set umode +E :) |
| 08:57.19 | poonj | chealer: I'm using 2.6.12 right now... |
| 08:57.22 | onlinebacon | thanks |
| 08:57.34 | tchino | how can i ban spam over xchat |
| 08:57.54 | onlinebacon | thanks guys, didnt see it there :P |
| 08:57.57 | cahoot | tchino: as per the topic |
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| 08:58.19 | nvz | -lilo(i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin)- [Global Notice] Hi all. We're still experiencing message spam. This runs in cycles, and we're killing out those bots as quickly as we find them. |
| 08:58.23 | DjKritical3 | ETX-3 fs group discriptors corrupted o_O? is this fixable? |
| 08:58.32 | tchino | cahoot: where is that, i get two invites per minute |
| 08:58.41 | onlinebacon | is there any place to report 'em to help freenode? |
| 08:58.56 | cahoot | tchino: try /topic |
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| 08:59.32 | chealer | poonj: what kind of upgrade were you doing? |
| 08:59.36 | nvz | that global notice was like 19 and 1/2 hours ago.. I am surprise he didnt repeat it.. lilo seems to enjoy BS'ing to everyone on freenode at once |
| 08:59.38 | poonj | I just wanted to install |
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| 08:59.49 | poonj | totem-gstreamer. |
| 09:00.03 | poonj | apparently it installed a ton of stuff.. |
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| 09:00.14 | nvz | of course as most of you know I do it to #debian and if I were allowed to global notice you I would annoy the shit out of everyone too |
| 09:00.16 | chealer | poonj: ah. so you weren't upgrading totem? |
| 09:00.20 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:00.25 | poonj | that wasn't part of totem? |
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| 09:00.47 | ak70 | hi, have anyone noticed that almost all math packages in sid are broken? |
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| 09:00.50 | onlinebacon | Am i right in thinking that - because apt handles dependancies- if I say apt-get KDE it will get me XFree86 and all the libs needed by KDE as well as KDE itself? On a net install? |
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| 09:01.06 | sanxiyn | onlinebacon: No. |
| 09:01.06 | phretor | I'd like to netinstall a testing distribution. Is there an image better to another? |
| 09:01.15 | sanxiyn | onlinebacon: Because KDE does not depend on XFree86. |
| 09:01.18 | cahoot | tchino: btw - do you see the topmost 'window' in xchat? |
| 09:01.22 | chealer | poonj: maybe, but install a new package isn't an upgrade. what you say is that installing totem-gstreamer on sarge triggerred a 2.4.27 stock kernel install? |
| 09:01.30 | onlinebacon | ah ok, I see now :P |
| 09:01.32 | onlinebacon | thanks |
| 09:01.32 | poonj | yeah |
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| 09:01.44 | mike123 | Quick Q: I am putting up a site for realtors that will run mailing lists for them, They basically signup, enter in there leads email/name, a few articles/messages that will be sent thought the week/month. My question is, what can I do to cover my ass if some asshole decided to just start adding random emails and it would be considered spam to come degree. |
| 09:01.47 | sanxiyn | onlinebacon: Except that, yes. |
| 09:01.47 | chealer | phretor: I don't think you have much choice. I'd use the sid d-i |
| 09:01.52 | tchino | cahoot: no |
| 09:02.10 | phretor | chealer: for testing release too? |
| 09:02.11 | onlinebacon | cool, apt is magic :P |
| 09:02.17 | chealer | phretor: yes |
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| 09:02.37 | tchino | cahoot: exist an adjustment to regular to forbite privat invidements |
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| 09:02.44 | poonj | chealer: is there a way to revert back to before, uninstalling the new packages and installing the old ones? |
| 09:02.53 | onlinebacon | 16 hours till I get disc 1 :D |
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| 09:03.03 | johaBBa | hrm...my backup server at home has 250Gb....but the tape drive is just an 10GB (20 compressed) ide tape drive. is the tape drive worth keeping? |
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| 09:03.25 | phretor | chealer: http://cdimage.debian.org/.../daily/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso ? |
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| 09:03.51 | nvz | the metapackage kde suggest x-window-system-core but doesnt depend on it |
| 09:03.53 | poonj | dude, there is a ton of spamming on freenode right now |
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| 09:04.07 | nvz | if you apt-get install kde x-window-system-core, then it would work |
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| 09:04.35 | sanxiyn | !install kde |
| 09:04.35 | dpkg | methinks install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 09:04.50 | sanxiyn | So, IMO, you don't want "kde". |
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| 09:04.59 | nvz | yeah kde, pulls in everything kde including the kitchensync :P |
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| 09:05.01 | onlinebacon | ag cool, thanks |
| 09:05.06 | sanxiyn | Get "kde-core". |
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| 09:05.14 | onlinebacon | I dont, it was an example, I like enlightenment :P |
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| 09:05.21 | chealer | phretor: that's a 404 |
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| 09:05.56 | poonj | chealer: any ideas how I can fix it? |
| 09:05.57 | nvz | that kitchensync cracks me up |
| 09:06.01 | chealer | poonj: what if you remove the 2.4 kernel image |
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| 09:06.05 | phretor | chealer: :-) It was just a short-(wrong)-URL just to give the idea |
| 09:06.08 | onlinebacon | nvz: :P |
| 09:06.11 | nvz | but I am easily amused |
| 09:06.12 | phretor | chealer: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 09:06.14 | sanxiyn | !info kitchensync |
| 09:06.17 | dpkg | kitchensync: (Synchronization framework), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 522 kB, Installed size: 1764 kB |
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| 09:06.21 | sanxiyn | ... |
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| 09:06.36 | onlinebacon | hehehe |
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| 09:06.52 | nvz | you cant say debian has everything but the kitchensync, cause it has it! |
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| 09:07.00 | chealer | phretor: that's the one |
| 09:07.00 | onlinebacon | hehe |
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| 09:07.43 | chealer | debian has everything but up-to-date kitchensync |
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| 09:08.07 | onlinebacon | ah, now i g2g, bye bye |
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| 09:08.33 | nvz | chealer: how's that commercial go? "buy it for looks buy it for life" lasts forever |
| 09:08.34 | sanxiyn | chealer: good job |
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| 09:08.43 | poonj | hey |
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| 09:08.57 | poonj | anyone here know whats up with the spamming? |
| 09:08.57 | sentinel | one other thing while i'm here... is there a way to speed up the login process? when logging in via ssh it seems to hang there for about 5secs before prompting for the password |
| 09:08.58 | phretor | isn't cdimage.debian.org mirrored? |
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| 09:09.07 | poonj | I'm getting a ton of msg's |
| 09:09.09 | chealer | sanxiyn: hey, who wants KDE 3.3 these days? |
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| 09:09.14 | nvz | poonj: /topic |
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| 09:10.08 | nvz | I stil havent seen a single spam message and this has been going on for like what 30 hours or so now? |
| 09:10.11 | chealer | phretor: well, that particular iso is mirrored on my own desktop :) |
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| 09:10.20 | poonj | what happeend? |
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| 09:10.33 | phretor | chealer: I mean, the daily/ repository |
| 09:10.35 | poonj | some guy is invading freenode? |
| 09:10.42 | chealer | phretor: I don't know |
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| 09:11.17 | chealer | nvz: did you refer to an actual commercial? |
| 09:11.18 | nvz | who knows, kawfeh's direct tv satellite fell of the roof of his trailor and he has nothing better to do?! |
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| 09:11.34 | nvz | chealer: yeah some fawcet company moen maybe |
| 09:11.37 | hyperstream | anyone here used wine-tools? |
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| 09:11.47 | nvz | chealer: they make sink hardware |
| 09:11.48 | poonj | hyperstream: wine-tools works like a charm |
| 09:11.54 | chealer | nvz: ok...too few english culture to comment |
| 09:11.55 | hyperstream | not for me |
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| 09:11.58 | poonj | why not? |
| 09:12.00 | hyperstream | im up to the part where i download ie 6.0 |
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| 09:12.05 | poonj | ok |
| 09:12.08 | hyperstream | and it downloads the executable |
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| 09:12.19 | hyperstream | and runs it but then it says it cannot download the rest of ie files |
| 09:12.24 | poonj | umm |
| 09:12.25 | hyperstream | something about an internet connection |
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| 09:12.27 | sanxiyn | hyperstream: Strange. |
| 09:12.27 | poonj | maybe the server id down |
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| 09:12.28 | hyperstream | im connected. :/ |
| 09:12.34 | hyperstream | yah very |
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| 09:12.41 | hyperstream | its annnoying the heck outta me |
| 09:12.51 | hyperstream | servers up, i ran the exe on my windoze box |
| 09:12.52 | nvz | thats because you are running MSIE ffs |
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| 09:13.04 | hyperstream | wtf |
| 09:13.08 | hyperstream | i doubt it im on linux, |
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| 09:13.18 | hyperstream | does linux come with MSIE? |
| 09:13.21 | hyperstream | i dont think so |
| 09:13.24 | nvz | you said Ie 6.0 |
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| 09:13.42 | hyperstream | wtf |
| 09:13.45 | hyperstream | random |
| 09:14.09 | poonj | this apt-get upgrade is taking a long time.. |
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| 09:14.25 | sanxiyn | hyperstream: WineTools author is picky about Wine versions, but 20050628 worked for me to run IE 6. |
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| 09:14.46 | sanxiyn | hyperstream: (Which is current in testing) |
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| 09:15.03 | hyperstream | hmm |
| 09:15.04 | chealer | poonj: your system seems to have messed APT config. when did you last dist-upgrade to sarge? |
| 09:15.13 | hyperstream | let me fin out my wine version i just did apt-get install wine |
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| 09:15.17 | poonj | I haven't done one.. |
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| 09:15.32 | sanxiyn | hyperstream: I found that current unstable version doesn't work, for whatever reason. |
| 09:15.33 | poonj | I'm doing an apt-get upgrade.. |
| 09:15.38 | poonj | is that different from a apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 09:15.48 | sanxiyn | hyperstream: wine --version |
| 09:15.57 | chealer | poonj: if you were already running stable sarge, no |
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| 09:16.19 | chealer | poonj: had you already dist-upgraded to stable sarge, or installed stable sarge? |
| 09:16.21 | poonj | I'm using the unstable packages.. |
| 09:16.29 | poonj | I installed stable sarge |
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| 09:16.35 | chealer | unstable packages :?? |
| 09:16.46 | chealer | are you upgrading to unstable? |
| 09:16.54 | poonj | it was always on unstable |
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| 09:17.03 | chealer | argh |
| 09:17.05 | poonj | could the packages be broken? |
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| 09:17.20 | phretor | poonj: yes, like kde does |
| 09:17.30 | poonj | crap.. |
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| 09:17.51 | chealer | poonj: you seem very confused about what you're running |
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| 09:18.04 | poonj | I installed stable sarge |
| 09:18.05 | chealer | stable sarge *isn't* unstable |
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| 09:18.27 | poonj | but then I changed the apt configuration to use unstable packages |
| 09:18.31 | poonj | instead of the stable packages |
| 09:18.38 | poonj | and from there, I installed gnome...etc..etc |
| 09:18.40 | sanxiyn | poonj: Aha. |
| 09:18.45 | sanxiyn | poonj: ... |
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| 09:18.58 | poonj | how bad did I screw up? |
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| 09:19.25 | ArtistAgent | interested in the information on (at least one of ) the ip addresses the recent spammers (seemingly from Romania and Turkey?) Look It up if you think we can stop them (there is an ip interrelation i noticed ) des_des@85.186.73.74 (www.dnsstuff.com) |
| 09:20.13 | chealer | poonj: did you ever ran an apt-get/aptitude/whatever [dist-]upgrade after you added unstable in your sources? |
| 09:20.20 | hyperstream | Wine 20050725 |
| 09:20.21 | salahuddin | my debian testing gnome volume reset after logoff and shutdown. i have tryed with select save current setup but still it is not working any hint! |
| 09:20.22 | poonj | no |
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| 09:20.31 | sanxiyn | hyperstream: For me, that version didn't work. |
| 09:20.40 | hyperstream | ahh i see |
| 09:20.43 | valdyn | salahuddin: gnome volume? no such thing |
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| 09:20.46 | hyperstream | how do i go about downgrading with apt-get? |
| 09:20.50 | hyperstream | or i require the source? |
| 09:20.50 | sanxiyn | hyperstream: Try downgrading. |
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| 09:21.11 | sanxiyn | hyperstream: As wine is not too rich in reverse dependency, just remove it and install one from testing. |
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| 09:21.15 | sanxiyn | hyperstream: And hold it. |
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| 09:21.17 | chealer | poonj: feew. I strongly recommend you remove unstable from your sources until you know how releases and APT work |
| 09:21.25 | poonj | okay |
| 09:21.27 | gungnir | speaking of spammers, does anyone know of a syntax you can use in xchat to /ignore all private messages? |
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| 09:21.39 | salahuddin | my sound mean pcm and pcm-2 set up half |
| 09:21.44 | hyperstream | how do i install one from testing with apt-get ? or do i just get a package and dpkg |
| 09:21.49 | hyperstream | what version do you have? |
| 09:21.54 | hyperstream | i think ill use your on |
| 09:21.55 | hyperstream | e |
| 09:21.56 | valdyn | salahuddin: are you using alsa or oss? |
| 09:22.03 | chealer | gungnir: did you try /topic's advice? |
| 09:22.06 | priest | gungnir:: /umode +E |
| 09:22.08 | sanxiyn | hyperstream: I got it from packages.debian.org... |
| 09:22.13 | poonj | where can I read up on that chealer? |
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| 09:22.16 | sanxiyn | hyperstream: (And used dpkg -i.) |
| 09:22.18 | sanxiyn | hyperstream: YMMV. |
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| 09:22.25 | hyperstream | YMMV? |
| 09:22.33 | sanxiyn | Your milage may vary. |
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| 09:22.40 | chealer | !tell hyperstream about quick sarge/etch mix |
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| 09:22.59 | jnc | chealer: stir for several minutes. bake at 350degF |
| 09:23.03 | salahuddin | oss |
| 09:23.13 | chealer | poonj: I suppose the APT HOWTO would be useful |
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| 09:23.30 | sanxiyn | hyperstream: If you still have problem, it's best to follow WineTools authors' recommendation. |
| 09:23.33 | poonj | okay |
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| 09:23.41 | sanxiyn | (i.e. compiling Wine snapshot of specified date.) |
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| 09:23.59 | chealer | jnc: I'm not sure what you're doing, but you aren't done if you're trying to teach me cooking |
| 09:24.04 | dimir | G'day. |
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| 09:24.20 | salahuddin | vldyn: oss |
| 09:24.23 | jnc | chealer: quick sarge/etch mix, just add water ;) |
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| 09:24.42 | sanxiyn | Also note that Wine upstream thinks distribution packages simply causes too much trouble and everybody should compile anyway, and some of them especially don't like Debian's packaing. |
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| 09:24.49 | chealer | jnc: particularly not with non-SI units |
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| 09:24.59 | chealer | jnc: oh, ok :) |
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| 09:25.53 | chealer | hum, no quick sarge/etch factoid :? |
| 09:25.54 | valdyn | salahuddin: one package saves volume settings for oss when shutting down and restores that when booting, searching... |
| 09:26.20 | sanxiyn | valdyn: aumix |
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| 09:26.59 | valdyn | salahuddin: apt-get install oss-preserve |
| 09:27.23 | sanxiyn | aumix works too... |
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| 09:27.54 | resiak | chealer: Make one! |
| 09:27.56 | valdyn | !find etc/init.d/aumix |
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| 09:27.59 | phretor | ever heard about http://d-i.pascal.at? |
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| 09:28.07 | dimir | spammers! |
| 09:28.09 | salahuddin | valdyn: and sanxiyn: thanx |
| 09:28.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/init.d/aumix' (1): (/etc/init.d/aumix) in sound/aumix,sound/aumix-gtk. |
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| 09:28.56 | sanxiyn | Heh, Debian/kFreeBSD got >80% of the archive compiled, impressive. |
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| 09:29.13 | chealer | dpkg: quick sarge/etch factoid is echo 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your sarge lines and change one set to etch. then apt-get update, apt-get -t testing install foo to install foo from etch rather than sarge. This probably won't work if packages from etch are compiled with gcc4 and packages in sarge aren't. |
| 09:29.14 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
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| 09:29.35 | chealer | resiak: that shouldn't be too hard |
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| 09:29.45 | ZacZac | Question: After installing with d-i xfree86 stops with message "vm86() syscall generated signal 4". Any suggestions? (Google didn't offer helpful hints) |
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| 09:30.37 | sanxiyn | ZacZac: No idea. |
| 09:30.54 | DrZoot | anyone know if there is a repos somewhere with a working kde 3.4.x in it |
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| 09:31.12 | resiak | chealer: It should _work_, but it will probably pull in bits from Etch. |
| 09:31.18 | resiak | !topicsmite DrZoot |
| 09:31.18 | DrZoot | unstable seems to have fractured around the abi transition and experimental only has a handful of packages |
| 09:31.19 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon DrZoot. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 09:32.12 | valdyn | DrZoot: there isnt afaik, though 'apt-get install kde-core' in unstable gets much of it already. |
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| 09:32.40 | chealer | resiak: I'm not sure what you mean...isn't that assumed? |
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| 09:33.09 | resiak | chealer: Yeah... but I got left with a broken toolchain when I did something similar Etch->Sid, so. |
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| 09:34.38 | chealer | resiak: those pseudo-bugs where package dependencies allow breakage for those not running a single release? |
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| 09:35.30 | jnc | OOOO-hhhh0kay |
| 09:35.39 | jnc | so the eBay seller is under eighteen of age |
| 09:35.48 | jnc | he needs his mommy's credit card |
| 09:36.00 | jnc | and he has school on monday so we have to wrap up business early on sunday night |
| 09:36.06 | cahoot | jnc: is this in anyway on topic? |
| 09:36.08 | resiak | chealer: yeah... Sid's build-essential does not depend on Sid's versions of stuff, so installing that didn't help. I figure that's a bug, but #debian-devel told me to fuck off, so :) |
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| 09:36.38 | jnc | cahoot: apt-get why did_i_bid |
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| 09:37.05 | jnc | really though, i'm giving this Music DJ'ing thing on debian a kick |
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| 09:37.17 | jnc | i bid on a MIDI interface that represents two turntables |
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| 09:37.23 | chealer | resiak: indeed, a page on the wiki explaining mix "concepts" would be quite useful. my new laptop is still way too shiny to let me open another tab though :) |
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| 09:37.28 | phretor | why doesn't the current netinst contain boot.img.gz? |
| 09:37.29 | cahoot | jnc: ahh - I see and stand corrected |
| 09:37.29 | jnc | hopefully it will be compatible and let me control the music appropriately |
| 09:37.33 | resiak | chealer: Eh? |
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| 09:37.54 | resiak | jnc: I feel the pain that you will probably feel in a couple of days :) |
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| 09:38.00 | jnc | cahoot: ahehh... oh man |
| 09:38.06 | chealer | resiak: I mean explaining that mixes aren't debianically correct and other stuff |
| 09:38.07 | jnc | pain in my cajones |
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| 09:38.19 | phretor | where could I found something like that in order to make my usb bootable with that image? I'm talkin' about what is here (http://d-i.pascal.at) described. |
| 09:38.21 | resiak | chealer: Right. |
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| 09:38.27 | sanxiyn | Debianically correct haha. |
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| 09:38.47 | jnc | Debianacles attach to your hull |
| 09:38.59 | jnc | when you drive a boat of freedom |
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| 09:41.05 | jnc | resiak: well after the little bugger told me "kiss [my] ass" i figured it was done |
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| 09:41.19 | jnc | turns out the 2nd in line for bidding lives in Peurto Rico, so he was flipping out |
| 09:41.20 | resiak | jnc: What the fuck? |
| 09:41.23 | jnc | i know |
| 09:41.32 | jnc | i've never had a seller tell me that before |
| 09:41.40 | jnc | i almost didn't know quite how to react |
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| 09:42.31 | jnc | so this may drag out into the newyear, before i get to test with debian |
| 09:42.39 | jnc | i'm rather excited that Sid is coming together |
| 09:42.55 | jnc | slowly, audio apps are starting to resolve deps and bits and pieces install cleanly |
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| 09:43.49 | jnc | my goal is definitely to be using a hardware interface that controls software for live music |
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| 09:44.26 | jnc | now, why would it be necessary to log out of X11 after changing the 'audio' group and adding my username to it |
| 09:44.34 | jnc | before i can access the audio devices |
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| 09:46.12 | valdyn | jnc: su - <login> does that too ( for that shell ) |
| 09:46.34 | jnc | ohh |
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| 09:47.18 | dimir | ye, ye, kick 'im! |
| 09:47.22 | resiak | jnc: Because your groups are only picked up when you log in. |
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| 09:48.02 | jnc | resiak: is that some kind of retardation or deliberate feature |
| 09:48.11 | valdyn | jnc: unix legacy |
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| 09:48.23 | resiak | jnc: The former, and as valdyn says. \o/ |
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| 09:48.44 | jnc | got it. |
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| 09:49.07 | jnc | if you guys could change that to update more conveniently, would you? |
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| 09:49.48 | valdyn | jnc: s/could change/could change easily/, then yes |
| 09:50.00 | pavlix | Hi people |
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| 09:50.32 | jnc | Hello space creature from the serpentine leg of moose horns |
| 09:50.33 | pavlix | I'm trying unstable and I can't install many kde apps because of no kdelibs4 package found |
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| 09:50.47 | jnc | your horns are thick and bulbous *KLONK* |
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| 09:50.50 | resiak | jnc: Feel free to submit the appropriate patches. |
| 09:51.06 | resiak | pavlix: Amazingly enough, Unstable is somewhat broken! |
| 09:51.33 | resiak | pavlix: For instance, look at the topic. |
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| 09:51.51 | Col_Kernel | Is there a way to get rid of these spam queries? |
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| 09:52.41 | pavlix | resiak, oh i see |
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| 09:53.04 | sanxiyn | !gcc transition |
| 09:53.04 | dpkg | i heard gcc transition is http://people.debian.org/~mfurr/gxx/ |
| 09:53.18 | Col_Kernel | jnc: thanks |
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| 09:53.32 | sanxiyn | 833 to go. |
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| 09:56.59 | SimonRaven | here we go the fuck again with the fucking bots.... |
| 09:57.17 | jnc | it could be worse |
| 09:57.45 | SimonRaven | they could be join flooding? we'd get rid of them faster |
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| 09:57.59 | SimonRaven | @debhelper++ |
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| 09:58.54 | SimonRaven | the worst part of those bots is how stupid the nicks are |
| 09:59.51 | jnc | i suppose simonraven and jnc are much much better |
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| 10:00.07 | Jago_Svensson | morning everyone, someone here who would have some time over and help me with an simpel C++ input/output problem? |
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| 10:00.24 | SimonRaven | well, they don't sound *too* stupid, just moderately so ;p |
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| 10:00.38 | SimonRaven | and they pass the nickometer test ;p |
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| 10:00.50 | SimonRaven | like com'on: |
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| 10:00.57 | SimonRaven | @nickometer emre_29 |
| 10:01.00 | ravenbird | 'emre_29' is 25.000% lame, simonraven |
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| 10:01.16 | SimonRaven | or |
| 10:01.18 | SimonRaven | @nickometer AnteP_Olq_Svr_22 |
| 10:01.21 | ravenbird | 'AnteP_Olq_Svr_22' is 46.000% lame, simonraven |
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| 10:02.29 | sussudio | !sing sunday |
| 10:02.29 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 10:02.49 | resiak | yonkeltron: It's because you're in here. :) |
| 10:02.56 | SimonRaven | this time it's mostly bots... |
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| 10:03.05 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/403.jpg |
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| 10:03.11 | yonkeltron | resiak: for real? |
| 10:03.18 | yonkeltron | resiak: i get spam cause of debian? |
| 10:03.33 | cbr | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.35 | cbr | and it'll stop |
| 10:03.39 | SimonRaven | hehe sussudio :) |
| 10:03.44 | rajasun | SimonRaven: But is there some kind of a abuse report/monitoring channel here on freenode? |
| 10:03.45 | resiak | yonkeltron: Sure. This is a popular channel, so it's a good place for spambots to get enormous lists of people to spam. |
| 10:04.11 | yonkeltron | cbr: what does that do? |
| 10:04.16 | SimonRaven | depends on what |
| 10:04.22 | rajasun | These are the some of problematic ones >>> 81.180.13.*, 81.243.249.*, 83.228.74.*, 84.201.207.*, 85.120.11.*, 85.186.73.*, 194.146.155.*, 202.154.235.*, 210.5.116.*, 210.213.174.*, 210.213.150.* , *.p549323DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de, *.p213.54.170.26.tisdip.tiscali.de, *.adsl196-1-203-206-196.adsl196-7.iam.net.ma, *.i577A23BB.versanet.de, *.p508A5117.dip.t-dialin.net, *.153.a.011.mel.iprimus.net.au |
| 10:04.31 | SimonRaven | uh |
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| 10:04.37 | cbr | yonkeltron: only ppl with registred nicknames can message you |
| 10:04.38 | SimonRaven | wtf did you do that? |
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| 10:05.17 | SimonRaven | good you're keeping track and everything, but you could have answered my question |
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| 10:08.35 | sussudio | meh. |
| 10:08.42 | SimonRaven | indeed |
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| 10:09.36 | lobz | what's with all this msg spam? |
| 10:09.45 | salahuddin | cbr: some name pasha is registered by some one then i was using salahuddin66 after register it for /me command and 66 mod ban me! |
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| 10:09.56 | gourdin | hi there |
| 10:10.05 | gourdin | how can I report a dependency problem ? |
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| 10:10.25 | sussudio | !confuse salahuddin |
| 10:10.25 | dpkg | No, them are your gerbil today, salahuddin? shirts of the republic of liechtenstein with extra ham |
| 10:10.26 | cbr | gourdin: bugreport? |
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| 10:11.02 | phretor | debian installer fails while ext3 formatting a partition |
| 10:11.14 | az[a]zel | #debian seems to frequently have porn spam bots |
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| 10:11.51 | gourdin | cbr: ok, I wasn't sure if a dependency problem fits in a bug report |
| 10:11.52 | gourdin | thx |
| 10:12.05 | cbr | i think it's the best way |
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| 10:13.53 | az[a]zel | grr, more pron spam |
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| 10:14.03 | jethro | !topicsmite az[a]zel |
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| 10:14.04 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon az[a]zel. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 10:14.55 | az[a]zel | what does +E do? stops private messages? |
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| 10:15.14 | phretor | this is my situation: hda1 ext3 primary, hda4 swap primary, hda 2 fat32 primary, hda5 fat32 logical, hda6 ext3 logical. I don't know why the partitioning tool that comes with the installer does not format the first partition nor the hda4 |
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| 10:15.44 | jethro | az[a]zel: /m dpkg fn modes |
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| 10:16.12 | phretor | any suggestion? |
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| 10:16.23 | phretor | I'm using the current netinst ISO |
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| 10:16.52 | monsoon | hey folks is gnome 2.10 running on sid yet? |
| 10:17.06 | SimonRaven | for ages now... |
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| 10:17.33 | monsoon | ok cool |
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| 10:19.54 | Fleck | is there amr file player (Nokia audio file) for linux? |
| 10:19.54 | onlinebacon | hi |
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| 10:20.14 | onlinebacon | anyone know any vegetarian foods that can help me bulk up, I'm really skinny? |
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| 10:20.30 | nkuttler | onlinebacon: wrong channel |
| 10:20.39 | onlinebacon | oops sorry, wrong window :( |
| 10:20.43 | onlinebacon | my mistake |
| 10:21.02 | onlinebacon | i g2g now, bye bye |
| 10:21.02 | monsoon | hehe |
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| 10:22.28 | kspath | dang spammers still hitting and running? |
| 10:22.47 | dimir | yep :-( |
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| 10:23.43 | kspath | guess I will shutoff seeing joins and leaves |
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| 10:25.25 | kspath | always annoying when joins show 2-5 times more traffic than actual conversations |
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| 10:25.40 | kspath | guess it is even more annoying when a dork points it out though |
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| 10:26.22 | kspath | Not, unlike when someone says something like "Cold enough for you?" |
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| 10:27.04 | az[a]zel | xchat doesn't seem to be able to switch off join/part notification :/ |
| 10:27.14 | SimonRaven | use /ignore |
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| 10:27.41 | nkuttler | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.44 | jethro | kspath: just ignore them and quit whining |
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| 10:27.58 | kspath | jethro: lol |
| 10:28.09 | jethro | !lol |
| 10:28.09 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line. Everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a Knoppix user. |
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| 10:28.35 | kspath | go greycat go |
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| 10:30.11 | Shorty` | fuckers |
| 10:30.12 | Shorty` | fuck off |
| 10:30.21 | SimonRaven | /topic |
| 10:30.40 | Shorty` | what's that do? |
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| 10:31.08 | SimonRaven | you read it, and be enlightened by its wisdom |
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| 10:31.23 | jethro | heh |
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| 10:33.15 | SimonRaven | i wonder if that person has actually smoked crack... i never got a buzz, never saw the attraction.... |
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| 10:34.54 | phretor | what if I use netinst w/o linux26? Does it use 2.4? |
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| 10:35.15 | midg3t | dpkg has some interesting triggers |
| 10:35.18 | Guerin | phretor: amazingly, yes |
| 10:35.39 | SimonRaven | no, it uses 1.2... |
| 10:35.50 | midg3t | !dpkg death |
| 10:35.50 | dpkg | well, death is what happens when you don't /msg, or the opposite of life |
| 10:35.56 | phretor | Guerin: why they don't switch to 2.6 definitely? |
| 10:36.14 | Guerin | !kernel of instability |
| 10:36.17 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 10:36.38 | Guerin | !kernel of gratuitous changes |
| 10:36.38 | dpkg | Linux 2.6; see <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513> |
| 10:36.43 | Guerin | oh, dupe |
| 10:37.06 | cantona | anyone has idea? i did open X11Forwarding yes in remote pc. and "ssh ip -X", i want run the prg on remotely but display on local. however it doest work |
| 10:37.07 | Guerin | dpkg, no, kernel of gratuitous changes is <reply> see kernel of instability |
| 10:37.07 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 10:37.08 | phretor | Guerin: netinst cannot find modules after hw detection |
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| 10:37.23 | Guerin | phretor: gutted. |
| 10:37.38 | phretor | Guerin: ? |
| 10:37.45 | Guerin | !gutted |
| 10:38.11 | Guerin | !gutted is like, when someone has torn out your guts with a rusty allen key, you feel quite bad. |
| 10:38.11 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 10:38.39 | phretor | I ask for suggestions |
| 10:39.10 | Guerin | phretor: i suggest you supply more detail |
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| 10:40.27 | phretor | Guerin: I'm using an USB-key booted with boot.img.gz containing the .iso. I boot with linux26 and --after the hardware detection-- all required modules cannot be found. |
| 10:40.48 | liable | !im |
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| 10:40.57 | liable | pfft |
| 10:41.07 | monsoon | is installing sid from a testing net-install iso and changing source.list manually and adding unstable to them a good way to go? |
| 10:41.17 | liable | no |
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| 10:41.37 | phretor | Guerin: I'm using the current netinst image |
| 10:41.42 | jethro | monsoon: if you have to have, you shouldn't be planning on installing sid in the first place |
| 10:41.42 | liable | !ig |
| 10:41.42 | dpkg | somebody said ig was for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
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| 10:41.53 | jethro | s/to have/to ask: |
| 10:41.57 | jethro | ^:^/ |
| 10:42.37 | Guerin | phretor: use the sarge d-i |
| 10:42.47 | Guerin | phretor: current==development |
| 10:42.58 | phretor | Guerin: what if I want to install a testing system? |
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| 10:43.09 | monsoon | well im finding sarge to be pretty unstable so im not about to sacrifice a systemwith old packages that doesnt even work all that well |
| 10:43.11 | liable | just upgrade it.. |
| 10:43.11 | Guerin | phretor: you can trivially do that using the sarge installer |
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| 10:43.15 | SimonRaven | you select testing in the installer.... |
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| 10:43.28 | Guerin | phretor: use expert26 or just install stable and upgrade |
| 10:43.30 | SimonRaven | RTFM, or actually run it... |
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| 10:43.41 | Guerin | it's not brain surgery, normal people can do it. |
| 10:43.49 | phretor | Guerin: ok, someone suggested me something different. Don't mind. |
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| 10:43.55 | liable | even me! |
| 10:43.59 | phretor | Guerin: someone *here* |
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| 10:44.12 | Guerin | phretor: what different? |
| 10:44.21 | Guerin | (out of curiosity) |
| 10:44.32 | phretor | to use that image for installing a (fresh) testing system |
| 10:45.00 | liable | well, if it dont work, file a bug, thats what testing is for.. |
| 10:45.08 | Guerin | phretor: praps they had a good experience with it. |
| 10:45.10 | rovragge | hello. How do I in a list of files, recognize files which are named in sequence such as xyz00.zip xyz01.zip xyz02.zip .. which are in the same directory and remove them from the list in a way which does not remove xyz00.zip if there exists no following files in the sequence? |
| 10:45.30 | Guerin | rovragge: #bash |
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| 10:45.52 | Guerin | rovragge: relatively easily done, but offtopic here |
| 10:45.54 | phretor | Guerin: d-i.pascal.at says that the image must be named *.ISO. He means .iso or .ISO? |
| 10:46.06 | jethro | oh my god ... |
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| 10:46.08 | ubuntu | quit |
| 10:46.12 | jethro | !sing sunday |
| 10:46.12 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 10:46.24 | Guerin | phretor: it needn't be named anything special if you use debian tools to burn it |
| 10:46.43 | Guerin | phretor: i don't know what $random_proprietary_burning_app requires |
| 10:47.05 | phretor | Guerin: I used the instruction at d-i.pascal.at |
| 10:47.13 | liable | phretor: read the install guide dpkg gave the url for.. |
| 10:47.38 | Guerin | phretor: with what program will you burn this image to CD? |
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| 10:47.57 | phretor | Guerin: as I told you before, I use an USBKEY |
| 10:48.12 | liable | read the damn guide, it tells you.. |
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| 10:48.33 | jethro | !rtfm phretor |
| 10:48.35 | parityflag | hi |
| 10:48.41 | guyzmo | (the guide knows everything) |
| 10:49.20 | guyzmo | (if something is not in the guide, the guide can't be wrong, that thing simply does not exists) |
| 10:49.24 | Guerin | phretor: you didn't tell me that. I know nothing about how to boot a usb key: the one time I tried to make a bootable usb key, I failed |
| 10:49.28 | guyzmo | (hi :) |
| 10:49.35 | parityflag | what are these libaries with a "c" suffix? like kdelibs4c2 |
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| 10:49.57 | jethro | hey jetscreamer |
| 10:50.03 | phretor | Guerin: well, my key boots perfectly. I *just* *asked* if the installer looks for *.ISO or *.iso |
| 10:50.06 | liable | fuckings porn bots join and spam, then leave.. |
| 10:50.11 | guyzmo | parityflag - and what means the k ? :) |
| 10:50.29 | kspath | for bootable usb key see DSL |
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| 10:50.33 | jetscreamer | howdy jethro |
| 10:50.35 | jetscreamer | howzitgoin |
| 10:50.44 | phretor | !dsl |
| 10:50.44 | dpkg | from memory, dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 10:51.12 | kspath | Damn Small Linux apparently becomes a debian if you install on an HD |
| 10:51.23 | shingouz | kspath: no it does not |
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| 10:51.36 | Guerin | phretor: the installer IS an iso. |
| 10:51.39 | jethro | jetscreamer: fine thanks |
| 10:51.41 | kspath | good info I was ignorant |
| 10:51.51 | phretor | Guerin: I'd give you my key to have the idea |
| 10:51.52 | parityflag | guyzmo: ... KDE. could you tell me now what "c" menas? |
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| 10:52.17 | jetscreamer | c is the speed of light |
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| 10:52.27 | Internat | is it hard to upgrade from apache 1.3 to 2? |
| 10:52.28 | guyzmo | parityflag - if I knew, I'd told you earlier :) |
| 10:52.37 | phretor | you RTFM me but, who of you had a look at http://d-i.pascal.at ? |
| 10:52.41 | guyzmo | parityflag - it may be correction |
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| 10:52.55 | jethro | guyzmo: just quit being noisy and pointless then |
| 10:53.03 | beardy | phretor: How can we, or why would we want to read you? |
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| 10:53.13 | Guerin | parityflag: a suffix like that is a symbol version - it denotes a specific api or abi with which the library is able to communicate |
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| 10:53.27 | parityflag | guyzmo: ok, thank you. I just wondered, because many packages have these cs |
| 10:53.27 | Guerin | it's not a correction |
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| 10:53.38 | parityflag | Guerin: ok |
| 10:53.43 | Guerin | Internat: there's a guide on httpd.apache.org |
| 10:53.49 | phretor | beardy: just because I was talking with one of you and I referenced that link as a source of information |
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| 10:54.00 | Guerin | Internat: apparently not, but I haven't yet summoned the cojones to do it |
| 10:54.09 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:54.25 | Guerin | kspath: thanks, we know about dsl |
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| 10:54.37 | kspath | for phretor benefit |
| 10:54.39 | Guerin | nice little live distro, but not debian, and hence offtopic |
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| 10:55.07 | phretor | kspath: again, I dont' care about it. Please look at http://d-i.pascal.at |
| 10:55.09 | Internat | is it better or what? |
| 10:55.11 | parityflag | and what shall I do, if kdelibs4 was replaced by kdelibs4c2, but all other kde applications still depend on kdelibs4? |
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| 10:55.18 | Internat | like memory usage etc? |
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| 10:56.36 | resiak | parityflag: You wait until Unstable fixes itself. |
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| 10:56.49 | Guerin | Internat: dsl is designed to be SLAMM, in binary size, at the expense of functionality, speed, and everything else. |
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| 10:57.07 | Guerin | !beer resiak |
| 10:57.13 | resiak | parityflag: Of course, since you're a Sid user, you're subscribed to debian-devel-announce, right? |
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| 10:57.15 | Guerin | goodness, a quart |
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| 10:57.33 | resiak | Guerin: It's Sunday. We'll all need to drink in quarts. |
| 10:57.35 | resiak | Guerin: Why not? |
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| 10:57.37 | Guerin | arr |
| 10:57.40 | parityflag | resiak: no. but it's a good idea, I will subscribe now |
| 10:57.56 | Guerin | resiak: i prefer web archives ... but I don't check it as often as I should |
| 10:57.58 | resiak | parityflag: Look in the topic --- new ABI stuffs. |
| 10:58.02 | resiak | Guerin: Bad Guerin! |
| 10:58.05 | jetscreamer | apt-listbugs++ |
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| 10:58.18 | Guerin | resiak: mea stupida |
| 10:58.27 | resiak | !beer Guerin |
| 10:58.29 | Guerin | but hell, WORKSFORME |
| 10:58.37 | Guerin | nice |
| 10:58.39 | resiak | Guerin: you don't use KDE, do you? |
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| 10:58.43 | Guerin | no idea what that is, but I like IPA |
| 10:58.47 | beardy | dpkg: rtfm is also not a fscking verb or noun, so stop using it as one, it is an acronym. |
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| 10:58.59 | Guerin | resiak: it's on one box I have responsibility for - my wife;s |
| 10:59.10 | Guerin | and she would ve Very Displeased if it was to break |
| 10:59.14 | beardy | damn, what happened now.. |
| 10:59.24 | Guerin | i just avoid upgrading that box |
| 10:59.41 | resiak | Guerin: Eew. Wait ... you have her on Sid? BAD GUERIN! :) |
| 10:59.47 | jetscreamer | !rtfm beardy |
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| 11:00.00 | jetscreamer | it's not a straight factoid, it has vars in it |
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| 11:00.12 | Guerin | beardy: rtfm is an acroym which, if expanded, can complete a sentence as if it were EITHER a verb or a noun |
| 11:00.30 | Guerin | for instance: I told him to rtfm about libfoo |
| 11:00.47 | jetscreamer | HAH |
| 11:00.53 | jetscreamer | those who can't teach! |
| 11:00.54 | Guerin | or I told him to go and have a good session of rtfm |
| 11:01.09 | Guerin | jetscreamer: those peopls, the do. |
| 11:01.19 | Guerin | and those who can't type, get misunderstood on irc |
| 11:01.47 | beardy | !rtfm |
| 11:01.48 | dpkg | i guess rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
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| 11:01.59 | jessica_ | hey guys |
| 11:02.04 | kspath | I always felt RTFM could be a verb if the F had an -ing ending |
| 11:02.11 | beardy | That doesn't. |
| 11:02.18 | Guerin | resiak: that box is my multimedia box, my compiling-shit box, and my xdmcp server, and for historical reasons, it's sid |
| 11:02.20 | jessica_ | how do i go about setting up samba so it requires no password when accessing the share from a windows box |
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| 11:02.38 | jetscreamer | make way for the evolution of the 'spoken' language! |
| 11:02.59 | Guerin | beardy: that doesn't what? |
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| 11:03.03 | liable | jessica_: um, theres some good docs, at samba.org.. |
| 11:03.09 | resiak | jessica_: /j #flood |
| 11:03.13 | jessica_ | thanks you very much |
| 11:03.57 | soar | how can I have a gmail account? |
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| 11:04.08 | soar | sorry to ask it in #debian. |
| 11:04.21 | priest | soar:: Have or get? |
| 11:04.26 | beardy | The factoid 'rtfm' doesn't have vars. |
| 11:04.32 | soar | get |
| 11:04.39 | resiak | !+literal cmd: rtfm (.*?) |
| 11:04.39 | dpkg | CMD: rtfm (.*?) is ($1): <action> gives $1 (an engraved copy|an autographed copy|a signed copy|a leatherbound copy|a paperback edition|a first edition) of the (fine|fucking|freaking|friendly|fantastic) (manual|how-to|man page|info file) and (extols|commands|forces|directs) $1 to (read|ingest|contemplate|understand) it (fully|totally|absolutely|completely). |
| 11:04.45 | resiak | beardy: That one does. |
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| 11:04.56 | jetscreamer | how dare you doubt me! |
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| 11:05.10 | beardy | Yes, but that is not the same as rtfm without something else after it. |
| 11:05.11 | soar | i did not find a clue to get it at google.com |
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| 11:05.44 | skate | soar: gmail is still beta, you need to be invited by someone who already has a gmail account |
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| 11:05.56 | liable | you want google to read your emails?.. |
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| 11:06.05 | skate | i think i have a shitload of invites left if you want one |
| 11:06.19 | resiak | beardy: Well noticed. |
| 11:06.22 | soar | thank you all! I need it. |
| 11:06.32 | soar | i don't care that google is able to see my emails.:) |
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| 11:06.46 | skate | huh? |
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| 11:07.20 | streuner | Why do you want a gmail account in first place? There are other mail-providers as well |
| 11:07.22 | wols | skate: no. google opened it to the public last week. at least in the US |
| 11:07.30 | skate | ah really? |
| 11:07.33 | skate | didn't know that |
| 11:07.38 | wols | but you will need a mobile for the SMS verification |
| 11:07.46 | skate | shows you how much i actually use my gmail account |
| 11:08.09 | skate | hang on soar |
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| 11:09.19 | nelf | I have a security issue with a compromised debian server I'm cleaning up - I need some advice is there a channel dedicated to this, or can I ask here? |
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| 11:09.44 | wols | !ask |
| 11:09.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:09.54 | jetscreamer | nelf: probably not an option, but bare metal is best |
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| 11:10.46 | nelf | I am having trouble deleting some compromised files, which have strainge (ie non-existant) UIDs |
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| 11:11.06 | beardy | Anyway, I've seen the letters rtfm used as a replacement for documentation, as if it were a word that meant just 'documentation' that's why I tried to extend that factoid (and perhaps to better failed at doing so.. why bother with anything on a sunday) |
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| 11:11.26 | mc303 | where can i get myself the image of the Debian rescue floppy ? |
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| 11:11.35 | mc303 | can 't find it on the debian website :-( |
| 11:11.44 | jetscreamer | mc303: you use the installer cd |
| 11:11.55 | skate | weird, according to my gmail inbox you still need to be invited to create a new account |
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| 11:11.59 | skate | soar: check your inbox |
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| 11:12.04 | mc303 | that's the problem: i'm installing it on an old PC which can't boot from CD (BIOS doesn't allow it) |
| 11:12.18 | jetscreamer | mc303: you want boot floppies? |
| 11:12.18 | mc303 | so i need floppies |
| 11:12.23 | mc303 | yes |
| 11:12.23 | liable | !d-i floppies |
| 11:12.24 | dpkg | floppies, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 11:12.34 | wols | skate: I only read it in the (usually reliable) newsservice. since I'm not in the Us I oculdn't check it out |
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| 11:12.44 | liable | hehe, stupid bot.. |
| 11:12.53 | liable | !floppies |
| 11:12.56 | jetscreamer | ah i can't read you said floppy |
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| 11:13.06 | skate | it's all good mate, just letting ya know |
| 11:13.06 | liable | !floppy |
| 11:13.07 | dpkg | methinks floppy is flop, flop, flop.. |
| 11:13.14 | mc303 | basically all i want to do is use these floppies to re-run lilo and fix some MBR problems |
| 11:13.25 | liable | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 11:13.30 | jetscreamer | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 11:13.30 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 11:13.35 | mc303 | tnx |
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| 11:13.44 | jetscreamer | mc303: the floppies will only give you a 2.4 kernel btw |
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| 11:13.51 | mc303 | no problem |
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| 11:14.20 | mc303 | which one can i use to play with lilo and fix MBR stuff? boot.img or root.img ? |
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| 11:14.25 | mc303 | boot.img i guess ? |
| 11:14.31 | jetscreamer | mc303: you should look at smart boot manager if you just need to boot your debian |
| 11:14.37 | jetscreamer | both |
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| 11:14.39 | jetscreamer | boot&root |
| 11:14.40 | wols | nelf: copy the data files to another disk, then redo the debian partition(s) in cfdisk and after that mkfs them |
| 11:14.42 | streuner | mc303: you need both |
| 11:14.44 | wols | only way to be sure |
| 11:14.45 | mc303 | hmpf... ok |
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| 11:14.59 | jetscreamer | you boot boot then boot will ask for root |
| 11:15.01 | jetscreamer | (iirc) |
| 11:15.02 | streuner | mc303: and chroot it |
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| 11:15.24 | nelf | wols - thats a bit extreme, I'd rather find a way to remove the files manually |
| 11:15.33 | mc303 | ok, i might come back here a little later... i'm having quite some trouble here getting my MBR's right... LILO problem :-( |
| 11:15.44 | liable | use grub.. |
| 11:15.50 | jetscreamer | lilo is simple |
| 11:15.52 | wols | nelf: you will NEVER be sure you have removed everything. NEVER |
| 11:15.55 | shingouz | mc303: just use the boot floppy and point the kernel to root=/dev/whatever_your_root_fs_is |
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| 11:16.16 | jetscreamer | shingouz++ |
| 11:16.33 | nelf | wols: Fair enough, and I will be wiping the server and reinstalling, howver I need to get rid of these files to do an audit in the mean time |
| 11:16.42 | mc303 | i tried that, i booted with linux root=/dev/hda1 |
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| 11:16.50 | mc303 | but it could not mount the root filesystem :-( |
| 11:16.51 | shingouz | mc303: and? |
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| 11:16.55 | wols | if you say audit, have you mirrored the disk as it is right now? |
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| 11:17.06 | mc303 | but previously, the / was as /dev/hdc1 |
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| 11:17.18 | mc303 | the whole linux is installed while the disk was on /dev/hdc1 |
| 11:17.25 | mc303 | but now I'm putting it on the first IDE controller |
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| 11:17.31 | mc303 | and I would likt to be able to boot from it |
| 11:17.35 | mc303 | but somehow I screwed up |
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| 11:17.44 | mc303 | then... |
| 11:17.44 | shingouz | mc303: should be hda then |
| 11:17.52 | mc303 | what do you mean? |
| 11:17.56 | kspath | jumpers? bootable? |
| 11:17.59 | mc303 | linux root=/dev/hda ? |
| 11:18.02 | mc303 | jumpers should be ok |
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| 11:18.07 | liable | move the drive, grub-install /dev/hda |
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| 11:18.22 | shingouz | mc303: hda1 (depending on how you partitioned the drive originally) |
| 11:18.40 | mc303 | that's what I've tried... anywa, let me first create a boot floppy... |
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| 11:19.07 | shingouz | mc303: incidentally, what filesystem did you install it on? ext2, ext3, reiser, something exotic? |
| 11:19.12 | jetscreamer | mc303: you have to change fstab and lilo.conf, and rerun lilo... that is all you need to move the hd |
| 11:19.17 | mc303 | i did |
| 11:19.24 | mc303 | fstad and lilo.conf are ok i guess |
| 11:19.24 | avrfreak | so many bots talk to me ....xxx link giving me....what should i do... |
| 11:19.31 | jetscreamer | avrfreak: /topic |
| 11:19.34 | mc303 | in my lilo.conf i had boot=/dev/hda |
| 11:19.36 | beardy | avrfreak: Read the topic. |
| 11:19.36 | jetscreamer | /umode +E |
| 11:19.38 | mc303 | and root=/dev/hda1 |
| 11:19.52 | jetscreamer | did you rerun lilo |
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| 11:19.54 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 11:19.57 | mc303 | i've installed a debian base system on a small disk |
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| 11:20.11 | mc303 | so that base system was on /dev/hda1 |
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| 11:20.16 | mc303 | then i did the following |
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| 11:20.33 | jessica_ | resiak, #flood |
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| 11:20.34 | shingouz | mc303: you *had* hda there? i get the feeling you had the drive on the primary ide and now it is on the secondary |
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| 11:21.31 | jetscreamer | i've been playing musical hd's for the past couple days |
| 11:21.34 | jetscreamer | :( |
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| 11:21.56 | shingouz | jetscreamer: hd's going "ping, poing" all day? |
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| 11:21.59 | jetscreamer | i'll have to do it again, my cables are too short to reach |
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| 11:22.17 | jetscreamer | shingouz: no not anymore thank god... my secondary ide seems to be borking out |
| 11:22.26 | jetscreamer | i got an addin ide card |
| 11:22.27 | shingouz | scsi :p |
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| 11:23.25 | cplx | whats happening with this spam.. |
| 11:23.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | i dont have a mouse plugged into a box, and i think xfree wont start because of this. is there a work around i ca use? |
| 11:23.26 | cplx | seriously? |
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| 11:23.55 | jetscreamer | there is a way to have X start w/o a mouse |
| 11:24.12 | avrfreak | how can i stop the bot ...? |
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| 11:24.20 | jetscreamer | /umode +E |
| 11:24.23 | nkuttler | avrfreak: /topic |
| 11:24.25 | jetscreamer | avrfreak: ^^ |
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| 11:24.31 | avrfreak | ok |
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| 11:24.44 | resiak | SimonRaven: May I /msg you regarding nickserv and bots? |
| 11:24.45 | jetscreamer | it's a per session setting |
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| 11:24.48 | shingouz | Kamping_Kaiser: set it to "ignore mouse" in the config file. i think it has to be hand hacked so after that the dpkg-reconfigure will not work anymore |
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| 11:25.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | shingouz: where would i set ignore mouse? where it puts in /dev/ps2? |
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| 11:25.51 | shingouz | Kamping_Kaiser: you better read the manpage for the xf86config-4 before you do anything |
| 11:25.52 | k-man | how do i make thunderbird open links in firefox rather than konq.? |
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| 11:26.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | shingouz: thanks will do then |
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| 11:26.32 | midg3t | if gnome: desktop -> preferences -> preferred applications |
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| 11:26.37 | jetscreamer | http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/mouse.html |
| 11:26.42 | shingouz | Kamping_Kaiser: i think the switch or option is IgnoreMouseError, not sure though |
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| 11:27.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | ok. thanks. bbl |
| 11:27.40 | jetscreamer | stupid link |
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| 11:28.47 | jetscreamer | Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "boolean" |
| 11:28.47 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.58 | jetscreamer | http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/XF86Config.5.html |
| 11:29.03 | k-man | midg3t, im using fluxbox |
| 11:29.03 | shingouz | jetscreamer: yes, that was it |
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| 11:29.44 | jetscreamer | LOL he left |
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| 11:30.00 | priest | !lol |
| 11:30.00 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line. Everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a Knoppix user. |
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| 11:30.10 | test | hi, where is the german debian channel ? |
| 11:30.16 | resiak | !de |
| 11:30.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 11:30.18 | shingouz | jetscreamer: yeah but that thing is pretty self evident now that he knows there is such a thing |
| 11:30.21 | test | !de |
| 11:30.23 | beardy | test: #debian.de perhaps? |
| 11:30.32 | test | thanks |
| 11:30.41 | kspath | bitte? |
| 11:30.47 | test | jo :-) |
| 11:31.22 | mc303 | ok guys, I'm gonna need your help now I guess... |
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| 11:31.39 | mc303 | I have a found a rescue floppy here for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 :-) |
| 11:31.42 | mc303 | now... |
| 11:32.01 | mc303 | my hard disk gives LILO errors L 40 40 40 40 when i boot |
| 11:32.12 | mc303 | so something is wrong with the MBR and boot sequence |
| 11:32.17 | resiak | !tell mc303 -about enter |
| 11:32.18 | mc303 | i want to fix that now... |
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| 11:32.33 | jessica_ | http://pastebin.com/348332 <-- anyone know why on my dad's windows computer when i type \\192.168.1.220\ or \\jessica\ it says network path not found |
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| 11:32.51 | mc303 | i will boot: linux root=/dev/hda1 now |
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| 11:32.55 | mc303 | and see what this gives me |
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| 11:33.03 | beardy | mc303: Wouldn't it be better to find a more recent boot/rescuefloppy or livecd instead? |
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| 11:33.34 | DrZoot | iif ive got a package in cache that isnt available in the branch im using at the moment is there a way to tell apt to get that package out of cahse? |
| 11:33.41 | DrZoot | s/cahse/cache |
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| 11:34.08 | k-man | has anyone else noticed the spam bot on here? |
| 11:34.11 | jetscreamer | mc303: get this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/ |
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| 11:34.18 | priest | jessica_:: Can you ping 192.168.1.220 from the windows computer? |
| 11:34.19 | beardy | k-man: /topic |
| 11:34.19 | streuner | k-man: /topic |
| 11:34.23 | jetscreamer | k-man: what spambot |
| 11:34.25 | jetscreamer | there is no bot |
| 11:34.28 | jessica_ | yes |
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| 11:34.50 | k-man | what does +e do? |
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| 11:34.58 | streuner | dpkg, mode e |
| 11:34.59 | dpkg | +E makes it such that only nickserv identified users can /msg you |
| 11:35.00 | shingouz | jessica_: not that it really matters but it is spelled l337 h4x0r ;) |
| 11:35.02 | jetscreamer | no priv from unauth |
| 11:35.12 | k-man | jetscreamer, ah, cool |
| 11:35.14 | jessica_ | oo hehe |
| 11:35.15 | k-man | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 11:35.16 | jetscreamer | no it's h4Xz0r |
| 11:35.17 | wols | DrZoot: apt-get clean |
| 11:35.18 | jessica_ | im a newbie to linux |
| 11:35.23 | wols | that cleans your apt package cache |
| 11:35.24 | jessica_ | but i like it more than windows |
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| 11:35.28 | k-man | oh |
| 11:35.36 | jessica_ | and makes me feel clever |
| 11:35.38 | nkuttler | wols: man apt-get |
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| 11:35.55 | wols | nkuttler: why? |
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| 11:35.58 | DrZoot | wols: i dont want to get rid of the packages i want to install one of them |
| 11:36.05 | jessica_ | so guys does that smb.conf look right? |
| 11:36.06 | nkuttler | wols: oops, read that as a question |
| 11:36.18 | skate | i think he wants to use testing/unstable packages on a stable system |
| 11:36.24 | wols | jessica_: don't paste here. use flood or a pastebin |
| 11:36.25 | skate | which is generally a bad idea anyway |
| 11:36.25 | beardy | jetscreamer: What does the h4x0r/h4xz0r do? h4xz0rz, or h4xz0rz3z? |
| 11:36.35 | jessica_ | wols i did use pastebin |
| 11:36.37 | jessica_ | have a look up |
| 11:36.57 | jetscreamer | it depends on the day of the week beardy |
| 11:37.09 | beardy | jetscreamer: :) |
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| 11:37.18 | jessica_ | wols where did i paste here? |
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| 11:37.27 | mc303 | ok... my system is booting now... |
| 11:37.32 | mc303 | *crossing my fingers...* |
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| 11:37.44 | mc303 | gotta go eating now... cu later |
| 11:37.47 | wols | jessica_: sorry, didn't see the pastebin url before |
| 11:38.03 | jessica_ | hehe no worries hun, i thought on noooo i flooded in here |
| 11:38.13 | jessica_ | started to get nervous of the kicker people |
| 11:38.22 | jetscreamer | it's not ppl it's a bot |
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| 11:38.29 | jetscreamer | 4 lines it boots you |
| 11:38.30 | jessica_ | ahhh |
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| 11:38.43 | wols | jessica_: your samba is running? you made sure with netstat? and no iptables magic in the way? |
| 11:38.45 | jessica_ | ooo hehehe |
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| 11:38.58 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 11:39.16 | kspath | < Lamer On Line |
| 11:39.26 | skate | man it is way too nice to sit indoors |
| 11:39.28 | jetscreamer | who was just offline... |
| 11:39.34 | skate | i'm off to the beach for a spliff and a lager |
| 11:39.41 | wols | DrZoot: where is that different package from? another debian branch or non official apt repository? also is a program of the same name in debian? |
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| 11:45.10 | jessica_ | hey wols thank you so much |
| 11:45.16 | jessica_ | it wasnt running :( |
| 11:45.19 | jessica_ | how newbie is that? |
| 11:45.50 | resiak | <------ this newbie -------> |
| 11:45.52 | jessica_ | how can i make it auto start on boot up? im sure i see it starting up .. maybe its cause it does the eth0 dhclient stuff after samba is started ? |
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| 11:46.52 | wols | jessica_: check your runlevel by calling "runlevel" |
| 11:46.59 | jetscreamer | so Option "VTSysReq" means ctrl alt fx doesn't work, you would have to alt+sysrequired then Fx .. eh? |
| 11:47.04 | wols | it probably says "N 2" |
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| 11:47.13 | johaBBa | anyone know a debian-based distro that will fit on a usb-stick? |
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| 11:47.30 | beardy | jessica_: samba should be starting up on boot by default |
| 11:47.38 | beardy | johaBBa: Debian |
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| 11:47.43 | wols | if so, put a link in /etc/rc2.d which is named S20samba and points to /etc/init.d/samba |
| 11:47.48 | johaBBa | hrm..... |
| 11:48.02 | wols | but beardy is right, it should start by default and have made that S20samba link for you |
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| 11:48.23 | wols | maybe dpkg-reconfigure samba again. it asks you about how to start it. choose "daemon" |
| 11:48.25 | gRbL | could someone help me ? |
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| 11:48.47 | jetscreamer | !dsl |
| 11:48.48 | dpkg | dsl is, like, Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 11:48.52 | wols | gRbL: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 11:49.02 | wols | erm, sorry, johaBBa: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 11:49.05 | beardy | gRbL: Just ask your question, as good as you can, be specific and to the point. |
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| 11:49.17 | wols | johaBBa: also there is damnsmalllinux which can be directly installed to a memory stick |
| 11:49.17 | gRbL | ok |
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| 11:49.49 | johaBBa | ah...thanks for links |
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| 11:51.59 | gRbL | i want to change permissions to my usb hard disk,i want to have user access |
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| 11:52.07 | jessica_ | didnt no that transfering files in linux was so slow |
| 11:52.18 | jessica_ | 14 mins for a 600 meg file over the network |
| 11:52.22 | jessica_ | shouldnt this be alot faster? |
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| 11:52.32 | jetscreamer | grbl |
| 11:52.35 | jetscreamer | man fstab |
| 11:52.35 | gRbL | ? |
| 11:52.41 | jetscreamer | !rw-vfat |
| 11:52.42 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 11:52.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks for the help earlier ppl :) i pointed the mouse input device at /dev/null and it seems to be working ok so far ;) |
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| 11:52.58 | gRbL | i have edit the fstab |
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| 11:53.01 | wols | jessica_: CIFS as a protcol sucks donkeyballs. it's from MS, any more questions |
| 11:53.08 | jetscreamer | Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "boolean" |
| 11:53.08 | beardy | jessica_: The bottleneck is more likely windows. |
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| 11:53.10 | jessica_ | ahhh i see |
| 11:53.16 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.20 | jessica_ | sure |
| 11:53.20 | gRbL | /dev/sda5 /mnt/usb auto ro,noauto,users,noatime,async |
| 11:53.21 | emergo | how can I add more fonts to openoffice ? |
| 11:53.35 | gRbL | but i havent user access |
| 11:53.44 | gRbL | also i try chmod 777 /mnt/usb |
| 11:53.48 | jetscreamer | try editing it correctly ? |
| 11:53.49 | gRbL | but nothing happens |
| 11:53.51 | Navlop | k have samba running i can log into the directories from xp to linux, but i can't write to dir, and i get a error msg, access denid |
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| 11:54.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | now to plug in the thin clients :) |
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| 11:54.22 | jetscreamer | gRbL: something along these lines: /dev/hda1 /zdos vfat defaults,rw,users,auto,uid=1000,gid=24,owner |
| 11:54.22 | beardy | Navlop: Configure your samba to allow what you want to do. |
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| 11:54.31 | wols | Navlop: make it the directory writable in your smb.conf |
| 11:54.36 | jetscreamer | change it up to fit |
| 11:54.49 | jessica_ | i made a 25 gig partition just for linux as a storage for anything i download right. its fat32 i learnt how to mount it as a vfat, but when ever i put files on it in linux and say one day i boot into windows(i have 2 systems running on this computer) and look at linuxstorage partition in windows. there is no files. then when i go back to linux all my files are gone |
| 11:54.54 | jessica_ | (im scared to go into windows now) |
| 11:54.59 | Navlop | beardy: did that, read/write/browsable |
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| 11:55.18 | Navlop | and even changed the ownership |
| 11:55.23 | jetscreamer | there are >1 types of vfat |
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| 11:56.31 | jetscreamer | gRbL: the ro-ntfs factoid is cooler |
| 11:56.45 | jetscreamer | and you can change it up to fit the vfat usbstick |
| 11:56.48 | xerophyte | what is the best way to mirro disk exactly the same mirror so if the disk fails we can just swap and get the server up |
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| 11:56.57 | beardy | jessica_: With what tool/program did you create that partition? |
| 11:56.58 | emergo | how do I add fonts to linux ? openoffice |
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| 11:57.17 | jessica_ | well with the windows logial disk manager |
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| 11:57.25 | jessica_ | i created all the free space right |
| 11:57.30 | jessica_ | i have a 160 gig hdd |
| 11:57.37 | jetscreamer | if you dual boot, always create your partitions in windows |
| 11:57.37 | beardy | !font guide |
| 11:57.37 | dpkg | hmm... font guide is bob2's Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused: http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 11:57.42 | jessica_ | then when i installed linux i got to make the partitions there(heck thats hell hard) |
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| 11:58.00 | redguy | xerophyte: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb if these are exactly the same drives should work I think |
| 11:58.16 | jessica_ | i made the 25 gig of free space fat32 for linux and windows to share so i could transfer some files from one to another if nedded |
| 11:58.20 | jessica_ | needed* |
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| 11:58.45 | beardy | jessica_: As jetscreamer said, use windows partitioning thing to make the partition if windows is ever going to use it. |
| 11:59.15 | emergo | Im being spammed. how can I deny peoply to reach me ? irssi |
| 11:59.16 | jetscreamer | when i don't, the logical disk manager chokes... it eventually works, but it's slow |
| 11:59.18 | beardy | jessica_: And that goes for every filesystem type, use the native tool for each fs to create the filesystem. |
| 11:59.22 | jetscreamer | emergo: /topic |
| 11:59.27 | jetscreamer | /umode +E |
| 11:59.40 | emergo | jetscreamer: ty |
| 11:59.44 | jessica_ | ahh i guess thats a bit complex for me right now |
| 11:59.50 | jessica_ | but thanks anyways guys for all the help |
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| 12:00.05 | AprilDL | !seen karsten |
| 12:00.05 | jetscreamer | jessica_: basically, do it in windows. |
| 12:00.06 | dpkg | karsten <n=karsten@o1-dialup-66-81-220-51.rev.o1.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5h 13m 38s ago, saying: 'jnymo: Naw, you want to invoke some serious damange, WinNT 'em ;-)'. |
| 12:00.56 | jessica_ | so perhaps i should backup my fat32 and then go into windows and remove the partition and then recreate it in windows, then boot up in linux and mount it? |
| 12:01.01 | jetscreamer | gRbL: also, man 5 mount, search for fmask and dmask |
| 12:01.26 | Navlop | beardy / wols : can u look at my smb.conf..this is how it is setup....http://pastebin.ca/21366 |
| 12:01.30 | jetscreamer | ya, unless you're not having any problems.... |
| 12:01.58 | jetscreamer | i do the vfat dmz thing too |
| 12:01.58 | jessica_ | and then i should be able to share it between linux and windows files etc |
| 12:02.04 | jetscreamer | ya just like me! |
| 12:02.08 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 12:02.20 | jetscreamer | oh hey |
| 12:02.23 | jessica_ | cool thanks alot jetscreamer |
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| 12:02.30 | jetscreamer | vfat doesn't like files > 2G |
| 12:02.41 | jono | is there a way of running a command that shows how much memory each process is using currently? |
| 12:02.41 | jetscreamer | so no dvd iso's on the vfat :o |
| 12:02.48 | jessica_ | ahh yup |
| 12:03.03 | jessica_ | i messed up cause i have like 100gigs in ntfs |
| 12:03.15 | jessica_ | and it was my main storage partition thingo |
| 12:03.22 | jetscreamer | been there |
| 12:03.23 | jessica_ | and then i found out i cant write to it in linux |
| 12:03.30 | jessica_ | whats the best way to fix that |
| 12:03.42 | jessica_ | use something like partition magic and make heaps of 30 gig fat32's ? |
| 12:03.45 | jetscreamer | best? back up and repartition |
| 12:03.58 | jessica_ | can partition magic convert ntfs to fat32 ? |
| 12:04.03 | jessica_ | i kjnow it can resize |
| 12:04.33 | wols | jessica_: it can |
| 12:04.35 | jetscreamer | no idea... ms has a vfat->ntfs, but not the other way |
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| 12:04.50 | Navlop | can someone look at my smb.conf and tell me why i can't transfer files from xp to linux http://pastebin.ca/21366 |
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| 12:04.55 | jessica_ | cool |
| 12:04.59 | beardy | jessica_: No, I don't think so. Only fat32->ntfs. (I'm not entirely sure though) |
| 12:05.12 | streuner | Navlop: #samba |
| 12:05.13 | phretor | jessica_: you should better backup the partition first |
| 12:05.23 | jessica_ | wish there was a filesystem type that could be 100gig that windows and linux could share |
| 12:05.26 | k-man | i get this strange message when i try and get dual head going with my nvidia card |
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| 12:05.42 | nevyn | jessica_: XFS if you have a LOT of money |
| 12:05.50 | k-man | it says: Multiple displays connected, but only one display allowed |
| 12:05.54 | jessica_ | XFS ? |
| 12:05.58 | k-man | but its supposed to support 2 |
| 12:06.05 | nevyn | jessica_: well CXFS |
| 12:06.06 | k-man | i can;t work out what the problem is |
| 12:06.07 | jessica_ | costs money to use this |
| 12:06.09 | affect | x-man |
| 12:06.12 | jessica_ | or is it a type of hardware? |
| 12:06.16 | jono | anyone? |
| 12:06.17 | jetscreamer | k-man: are you using the .deb or the .run (nvidia 'driver') |
| 12:06.19 | wols | nevyn: there is a XFS driver for windows? where? |
| 12:06.23 | nevyn | jessica_: you need a SAN |
| 12:06.28 | nevyn | wols: not a full one. |
| 12:06.33 | Navlop | streuner: yes samba..have it all set .. can loggin but just can't transfer files from one to the other, everything is set to read/write/browsable for certain directories |
| 12:06.36 | beardy | jessica_: If you create the fat32 filesystem with a win98 bootfloppy, you can have it bigger than 30Gb, that limit is a stupid thing in winxp to force people into using ntfs. |
| 12:06.37 | k-man | jetscreamer, um... |
| 12:06.41 | nevyn | wols: it needs a metadata token server running on linux or irix |
| 12:06.43 | k-man | jetscreamer, i think the .deb |
| 12:06.48 | k-man | yes, the .deb |
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| 12:06.53 | wols | nevyn: I can always use a samba share running XFS underneath. so that's no real solution |
| 12:06.54 | nevyn | wols: and very much not free software |
| 12:07.03 | jessica_ | beardy, ooo reallly ??? but if i boot up into xp will it still use it ? |
| 12:07.05 | trym | In gvim, all my fonts become wider than they are supposed to.. any ideas why this happens? |
| 12:07.06 | wols | nevyn: in fact I do it right now |
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| 12:07.12 | beardy | jessica_: Yes. |
| 12:07.12 | nevyn | wols: this is different |
| 12:07.18 | jessica_ | omg that rocks! |
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| 12:07.20 | wols | nevyn: how so? |
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| 12:07.33 | k-man | jetscreamer, the driver is an older driver |
| 12:07.34 | jessica_ | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] (rev 15) |
| 12:07.34 | nevyn | wols: multiple systems accessing a single block device |
| 12:07.43 | jessica_ | can linux tell me how many mb this card it? |
| 12:07.50 | nevyn | doing their own reading and writing to the filesystem |
| 12:07.54 | affect | solaris 10 |
| 12:07.54 | beardy | jessica_: It's just that you can't create that big fat32 partitions in XP, it can still read them fine. |
| 12:07.58 | jessica_ | and what driiver to i want to install for it? the nvidia one ? |
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| 12:08.02 | wols | well, my linux box and my windows one can access the xfs filesystem right now too |
| 12:08.03 | ntoll | ntoll +E |
| 12:08.09 | jessica_ | beardy, read and write to them? |
| 12:08.16 | jetscreamer | k-man: go download the README from ftp.nvidia.com for their driver, and it will tell you commands that 'should' work.... |
| 12:08.26 | beardy | jessica_: Yes, of course write to them too :) |
| 12:08.34 | phretor | jessica_: jes, vfat driver allow r/w |
| 12:08.40 | k-man | jetscreamer, i really have read and reread that document about 100 times |
| 12:08.41 | phretor | s/jes/yes |
| 12:08.46 | k-man | and adjusted the options accordingly |
| 12:08.50 | k-man | i just can't seem to get it to work |
| 12:08.51 | nevyn | 100gig fat32.. /me calculates how big each allocation unit is. |
| 12:08.51 | jetscreamer | well i have my config posted i think |
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| 12:09.28 | jetscreamer | i formatted a fat32 200gb hd in windows last night.. it borked out |
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| 12:10.19 | jetscreamer | k-man: if this helps... http://hfds.com/debian_files/XF86Config-4.txt |
| 12:10.24 | lilgg | hello, i have a usb external hard drive. which i mount and accessed it as root. now im tryin to access it as a normal user bbut cant. what should i so? also the fs is ntfs does this mean its read only? so i can not write on this disk? |
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| 12:10.39 | k-man | jetscreamer, what card do you have? |
| 12:10.49 | lilgg | do* |
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| 12:10.53 | ralf | lilgg: mount it as user |
| 12:11.10 | cusco | hello |
| 12:11.10 | jetscreamer | it says |
| 12:11.11 | ralf | lilgg: and put in fstab: users,umask=000 |
| 12:11.12 | lilgg | ralf if i change the umask? |
| 12:11.15 | jetscreamer | fs5200 |
| 12:11.18 | k-man | jetscreamer, do you have a crt monitor and a tv? |
| 12:11.18 | lilgg | ok |
| 12:11.22 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 12:11.24 | lilgg | and what about the ntfs? |
| 12:11.27 | k-man | hmm.. ok |
| 12:11.30 | k-man | ill give it a go |
| 12:11.32 | beardy | lilgg: You can not write to it no. Not in a safe way anyway. |
| 12:11.33 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 12:11.33 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
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| 12:11.38 | cusco | is it possible to have a instalation made on a flash usb pendrive? |
| 12:11.39 | ralf | lilgg: what about what? |
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| 12:12.04 | cusco | and run the system from the flash usb drive? |
| 12:12.10 | ralf | lilgg: sorry, i use ntfs read-write |
| 12:12.10 | lilgg | so i have to format the drive again into fat or so right? |
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| 12:12.23 | lilgg | ralf is there a package? |
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| 12:12.33 | jessica_ | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] (rev 15)<---- is there any way i can find out how many mb's of memory is on this card, and how do i know if i need new nvidia drivers or something for it. cause atm im using nv |
| 12:12.36 | phretor | cusco: dsl |
| 12:12.40 | ralf | lilgg: yes, but it need some kernel module |
| 12:12.44 | phretor | !dsl |
| 12:12.44 | dpkg | i heard dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
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| 12:12.49 | ralf | and some winxp files that are under license |
| 12:12.50 | jetscreamer | k-man: iirc you need connected monitor, the secondmonitorhorz/vert, and metamodes for it to work |
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| 12:12.58 | ralf | so it is illegal to distribute |
| 12:12.59 | phretor | cusco: the second one |
| 12:13.00 | wols | jessica_: unified nvidia drivers only for > TNT2 chips afaik |
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| 12:13.11 | cusco | phretor: Ill check it out, thanks |
| 12:13.23 | lilgg | ralf k thx ill google it |
| 12:13.24 | lilgg | :) |
| 12:13.25 | wols | jessica_: and it doesn#t have more than 16MB. check what it says when the comp boots up and the video BIOS prints something on screen |
| 12:13.29 | beardy | jessica_: Your best bet is probably to look up the specs for your card using google. |
| 12:13.33 | phretor | jessica_: do you use X.org or XFree86? |
| 12:13.34 | jetscreamer | nv doesn't have 3d btw |
| 12:13.36 | ralf | lilgg: google for: captive ntfs |
| 12:13.51 | wols | !captive |
| 12:13.51 | dpkg | i heard captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
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| 12:14.04 | cusco | phretor: but it is a small distro bla bla it could be bigger... like debian has a have a 2G pendrive |
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| 12:14.11 | wols | and it works, but not well |
| 12:14.11 | jessica_ | xfree but im about to update to xorg |
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| 12:14.15 | lilgg | thank you |
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| 12:14.35 | wols | debian has captive as a package too. apt-cache search for it |
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| 12:15.21 | jetscreamer | yeah i can fit debian on my fusb stick! (if i have a 1gig usb stick :) ) |
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| 12:15.37 | phretor | jessica_: X.org should support your card but you better google a bit first |
| 12:15.53 | jetscreamer | xorg will still give you nv won't it |
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| 12:15.58 | jetscreamer | no nvidia |
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| 12:16.15 | jessica_ | thanks phretor |
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| 12:16.50 | phretor | jessica_: you should also apt-cache search nvidia |
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| 12:17.09 | jetscreamer | if you have contrib/non-free in your sources that is |
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| 12:17.35 | jessica_ | oo so i should install nvidia driver? |
| 12:17.43 | jetscreamer | if you like 3d |
| 12:17.50 | jetscreamer | aka opengl and others |
| 12:18.00 | jessica_ | hmm i dont no if this card has enuff ram on it |
| 12:18.01 | jetscreamer | try glxgears now |
| 12:18.02 | Jmax | hi |
| 12:18.04 | beardy | jessica_: Are you sure your card is supported by the nvidia driver? |
| 12:18.12 | jessica_ | no im not |
| 12:18.19 | jetscreamer | nvidia has a list of supported cards |
| 12:18.20 | jessica_ | there is no rendering :/ |
| 12:18.24 | jessica_ | oo ok |
| 12:18.32 | jessica_ | cool ill look at the site after i update to xorg |
| 12:18.37 | beardy | jessica_: Check if it first, if it isn't, no point in messing with it. |
| 12:18.37 | jetscreamer | not now there is no rendering, you're using the nv driver |
| 12:18.38 | jessica_ | thanks alot guys much appriceated |
| 12:18.44 | beardy | if it is |
| 12:18.46 | phretor | Guerin: following your current == development I made another netinst using the sarge image; same problem. |
| 12:18.46 | jessica_ | okies |
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| 12:20.00 | jetscreamer | oh and you need the twinvieworientation also, k-man |
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| 12:20.20 | eps | I have two computers here, is it possible to get linux to run on both and act like they are the one computer? sort of semi cluster sort of deal |
| 12:20.36 | jessica_ | hmm when i went to download drivers |
| 12:20.37 | pzn | Hi! If I want to open a graphical application as root (ex: ethereal), will I have to remove the "-nolisten tcp" from my xserver, or there is another option? |
| 12:20.38 | trym | whats with the spam |
| 12:20.39 | jessica_ | it only had options for |
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| 12:20.49 | beardy | trym: /topic |
| 12:20.52 | jessica_ | geforce and tnt , quadro , and something else |
| 12:20.53 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 12:20.57 | jessica_ | which are none of my card |
| 12:21.03 | jessica_ | guerss its not supported |
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| 12:21.20 | kamaraju | Is anyone being spammed by 'free webcamera sex movie.....' messages or is it just me? Any idea how to block those users in konversation? If konversation cannot do that, please suggest an irc client which can block them. |
| 12:21.26 | eps | jessica_ what are you trying to do? |
| 12:21.29 | beardy | jessica_: How old is the card? |
| 12:21.30 | trym | nice thanks |
| 12:21.34 | eps | kamaraju /umode +E |
| 12:21.36 | ggibson | what device driver does an ibm thinkpad t21 run on? |
| 12:21.38 | ggibson | not s3 |
| 12:21.56 | beardy | ggibson: For what device? |
| 12:21.57 | nkuttler | pzn: i think you want to /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 12:22.07 | ggibson | vid card |
| 12:22.10 | eps | kamaraju in future read the topic |
| 12:22.11 | ggibson | im configuring Xfree |
| 12:22.12 | jessica_ | just to use latest graphics drivers |
| 12:22.15 | beardy | ggibson: lspci |
| 12:22.15 | jessica_ | nv is fine tho |
| 12:22.21 | jessica_ | but if there is better why not use it :P |
| 12:22.26 | jessica_ | i think its pretty old |
| 12:22.27 | jessica_ | not sure |
| 12:22.31 | eps | jessica_ are you trying to play games? |
| 12:22.32 | jessica_ | it was in a box of crap stuff |
| 12:22.34 | jessica_ | its agp |
| 12:22.35 | jessica_ | no |
| 12:22.37 | jessica_ | just movies and such |
| 12:22.43 | eps | probably no need for it then |
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| 12:22.44 | kamaraju | eps: ok. Thanks |
| 12:22.45 | jessica_ | perhaps games in thefuture |
| 12:22.50 | jetscreamer | Below are the legacy GPUs that are no longer supported in the unified driver. These GPUs will continue to be maintained through the special legacy NVIDIA GPU driver releases. |
| 12:22.53 | jessica_ | but i doubt this has enough memory on it |
| 12:23.01 | jetscreamer | anta/Vanta LT 0x002C |
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| 12:23.21 | ggibson | Savage/IX-MV? |
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| 12:23.47 | jessica_ | jetscreamer, that basicly means just use the default nv drivers? |
| 12:23.49 | elephantman | Hi all |
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| 12:24.12 | pzn | nkuttler, exactly that was what I wanted. thanks! |
| 12:24.13 | jetscreamer | jessica_: unless you can find where the special legacy NVIDIA GPU driver releases are kept, i think so |
| 12:24.30 | elephantman | If i want to create aliases of fake local domains like "test.my.fire" : Is it a setup in BIND or in APACHE ? |
| 12:24.43 | jetscreamer | jessica_: couldn't hurt to try... |
| 12:24.56 | beardy | elephantman: man hosts |
| 12:25.01 | jessica_ | whats the worst that could happen using that nvidia one liner thingo ive seen in here |
| 12:25.13 | jessica_ | (i just want to use the line :P !! ) |
| 12:25.13 | elephantman | beardy: ok but i don't use "hosts", i use a local DNS |
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| 12:25.19 | jetscreamer | you'll have to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again |
| 12:25.24 | jessica_ | oo |
| 12:25.27 | jessica_ | nevermind then :P |
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| 12:25.30 | antgel | jessica_: if you don't need 3d, there is really no point in using the closed-source driver |
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| 12:25.41 | jetscreamer | jessica_: i meant basically, nothing. |
| 12:25.42 | mc303 | to burn boot.img to a floppy, is dd if=boot.img of=/dev/fd0 enough? |
| 12:25.50 | jetscreamer | shouldn't matter, give it a try |
| 12:26.19 | jessica_ | i think i will |
| 12:26.19 | jessica_ | first i need to restart x |
| 12:26.19 | jessica_ | i have xorg now |
| 12:26.19 | jessica_ | :) |
| 12:26.19 | jessica_ | back soon guys |
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| 12:26.20 | jessica_ | thanks |
| 12:26.20 | antgel | mc303: you might want to add sync. man dd |
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| 12:26.23 | jetscreamer | jessica_: i'd look around for a possible old driver though |
| 12:26.34 | jetscreamer | jessica_: ask in #nvidia maybe |
| 12:26.37 | jetscreamer | or don |
| 12:26.38 | jetscreamer | 'tt |
| 12:26.49 | Lanix | i have a problem with desktop i was using fluxbox and went from flux to gnome and know thers no tool bar or a way for a console ? |
| 12:27.00 | antgel | Lanix: sarge? |
| 12:27.12 | eps | Lanix right click on the desktop and you should have a terminal option |
| 12:27.16 | Lanix | unstable |
| 12:27.28 | mc303 | antgel: you mean dd if=boot.img of=/dev/fd0 sync ? |
| 12:27.31 | antgel | !tell Lanix about unstable |
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| 12:27.44 | eps | Lanix did you install erm, gnome-panel ? |
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| 12:27.54 | antgel | mc303: yeah. i'm not sure why but i recall being told to use it back in the day :) |
| 12:27.57 | Lanix | yes |
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| 12:28.23 | eps | !tell eps about unstable |
| 12:28.30 | ptlis | Damn spam bots. |
| 12:28.39 | jethro | keikoz: #debian-fr |
| 12:28.42 | Phated | ptlis: /umode +E |
| 12:28.44 | jetscreamer | /topic |
| 12:28.49 | Phated | Well, reg your nick. |
| 12:28.54 | Lanix | same thing hapend in xfce i use it for a wile but then one day no tool bar no nothing am not sure if i shud re install xfce |
| 12:29.04 | ptlis | What does +E do? |
| 12:29.04 | eps | "If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't." lol :P |
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| 12:29.17 | eps | stops evil people messaging you |
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| 12:29.22 | jessica_ | yay |
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| 12:29.24 | eps | so read the damn topic |
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| 12:29.33 | emergo | can I add more fonts to openoffice in linux ? |
| 12:29.45 | eps | emergo you sure can, nfi how though :P |
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| 12:29.52 | beardy | ptlis: It makes it only possible for registered nicks to /msg you. |
| 12:29.53 | eps | Lanix hmm, hasn't happened to me |
| 12:29.55 | Phated | ptlis: Non-registered can't msg you. |
| 12:29.55 | ptlis | Ah, right, thanks. |
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| 12:30.00 | Lanix | ok dpk confuse me |
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| 12:30.42 | emergo | eps: can I use windows fonts ? and copy to a spec dir ? |
| 12:30.45 | beardy | !confuse me |
| 12:30.46 | dpkg | No, how are their ferret tomorrow, beardy? trousers of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra anchovies |
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| 12:31.06 | phretor | emergo: msttcorefonts |
| 12:31.08 | eps | emergo yes, not sure how though |
| 12:31.11 | eps | ^^ that :P |
| 12:31.19 | phretor | !msttcorefonts |
| 12:31.20 | dpkg | from memory, msttcorefonts is package to install MSFT core TrueType fonts. http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ for font *.EXEs, unpack with cabextract. Install the 'x-ttcidfont-conf' package, and add this FontPath line to your XF86Config-4 file in the "Files" section: 'FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"'. then 'xset fp rehash' |
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| 12:31.23 | Jmax | hello :D |
| 12:31.25 | emergo | phretor: apt ? |
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| 12:32.00 | antgel | very apt |
| 12:32.06 | Lanix | ok shud i go to testing then stable has tomany old pkgs .. |
| 12:32.09 | emergo | phretor: didnt get any |
| 12:32.35 | emergo | !msttcorefonts |
| 12:32.35 | antgel | Lanix: if you can't fix testing or unstable, don't use them. if stable is too old, don't use it. |
| 12:32.35 | dpkg | msttcorefonts is, like, package to install MSFT core TrueType fonts. http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ for font *.EXEs, unpack with cabextract. Install the 'x-ttcidfont-conf' package, and add this FontPath line to your XF86Config-4 file in the "Files" section: 'FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"'. then 'xset fp rehash' |
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| 12:32.41 | phretor | right |
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| 12:32.53 | antgel | i concur - the factoid needs updating |
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| 12:33.15 | Lanix | am not sure how to fix problem that is the point |
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| 12:33.50 | antgel | Lanix: yes that is the point and that is why you should not use unstable or testing. |
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| 12:34.30 | lunitik | antgel: testing is fine for most... unstable though? if you're not prepared to fix things... unstable shouldn't be used. |
| 12:35.07 | antgel | !ops change topic to reference /msg dpkg ask or make other reference to asking proper questions? imo more important than some things in topic. |
| 12:35.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: change topic to reference /msg dpkg ask or make other reference to asking proper questions? imo more important than some things in topic. |
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| 12:35.37 | Lanix | antgel: i get it :-) i shud be in stable till then thx . |
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| 12:35.51 | antgel | lunitik: are you telling me that testing (1) doesn't break and (2) is supported? |
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| 12:36.45 | lunitik | antgel: it makes a far better desktop than stable... and rarely are there any major breakages in testing. |
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| 12:37.48 | antgel | lunitik: so you're saying it does break sometimes and it's not supported. i'm not denying it's a better desktop, but only if the user can handle the prickly bits. |
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| 12:38.14 | Lanix | true |
| 12:38.23 | Lanix | i get that know haha |
| 12:38.24 | Xik0 | is any repository where i can download e17 with apt-get? |
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| 12:38.47 | lunitik | Xik0: apt-get.org |
| 12:40.13 | cbr | can .deb files be extracted without superuser permissions? |
| 12:40.42 | antgel | cbr: sure |
| 12:40.48 | cbr | how? |
| 12:40.54 | antgel | cbr: man dpkg |
| 12:40.59 | wols | it's a standard archive. best use alien to transform it to a .tgz |
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| 12:41.12 | antgel | wols: what about dpkg -x? |
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| 12:41.37 | wols | antgel: or that. I just go the way of the least resistance and least brain activity :) |
| 12:42.08 | lunitik | cbr: yes... dpkg --root-dir -i foo.deb |
| 12:42.31 | lunitik | cbr: yes... dpkg --root-dir=/home/usr/ -i foo.deb for instance |
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| 12:42.58 | antgel | cbr: depends if you want to merely extract or run install scripts |
| 12:43.05 | antgel | cbr: (as well) |
| 12:43.32 | lunitik | actually, extract probably means -X, not -i ... sorry |
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| 12:44.21 | antgel | lunitik: no, -x. -X extracts the file_names_. |
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| 12:46.20 | grepper | antgel: either really, one is just verbose |
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| 12:46.52 | antgel | grepper: aha. i've never used -X, but the manpage looked that way |
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| 12:47.23 | antgel | "Extract and display the filenames contained by a package." |
| 12:47.29 | Shorty` | what's with all the spambots anyway |
| 12:47.32 | Shorty` | who've we pissed off? |
| 12:47.41 | dawg | it's you isn't it |
| 12:47.46 | antgel | Shorty`: bill clinton |
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| 12:48.49 | Laibsch | Is there a command to prevent a computer from going into suspend/sleep. I want to leave it running for the next three hours but will not be at the desk but I do not want the computer to suspend as usual. |
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| 12:48.54 | Laibsch | ? |
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| 12:49.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | does someone know what could cause this problem? tftpd : "cannot set groups for user nobody" |
| 12:49.36 | antgel | !tell Kamping_Kaiser about ask |
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| 12:52.38 | cahoot | Laibsch: open irrsi and connect to #debian |
| 12:52.53 | harleyg | whats the difference betwen a64 and ix64 |
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| 12:53.21 | harleyg | ix can reach 3.66ghz and a64 can only reach around 2.6 |
| 12:53.32 | harleyg | and ix supports ddr2 |
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| 12:54.36 | turb | so..? ghz doesn't measure performance |
| 12:54.38 | harleyg | god this room is dead |
| 12:54.40 | kspath | ix uses more energy and generates more heat? |
| 12:54.45 | harleyg | yeh |
| 12:54.50 | harleyg | but its faster by far... |
| 12:54.59 | turb | doesn't matter.. |
| 12:55.02 | antgel | harleyg: #hardware. nothing to do with debian. |
| 12:55.03 | harleyg | does |
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| 12:55.06 | FieldySnuts | unreal. sftp doesn't know what ~/ means. |
| 12:55.10 | harleyg | speed is all! |
| 12:55.11 | FieldySnuts | jackassed app sometimes, i swear |
| 12:55.22 | fanopnaic | harleyg: spec.org |
| 12:55.26 | FieldySnuts | ~smite sftp |
| 12:55.33 | harleyg | thanks |
| 12:55.49 | FieldySnuts | apt: hi |
| 12:55.49 | apt | privet |
| 12:55.51 | wols | wth is ix64? |
| 12:55.59 | fanopnaic | I think he means Intel Xeon |
| 12:56.00 | turb | the ghz tells you how fast the fastest clock runs. there can be several clocks or bad implementations |
| 12:56.07 | wols | from context I assume it's about intel versus athlon, but still |
| 12:56.30 | wols | then he should say "xeon" and "opteron". he's comparing apples and oranges there |
| 12:56.30 | turb | intel is cisc, athlon is risc |
| 12:56.33 | fanopnaic | harleyg: in the Results Search you will find tons of benchmarks, if you care about that. |
| 12:56.40 | harleyg | not really |
| 12:56.41 | wols | turb: wrong again |
| 12:56.43 | harleyg | i thing speed |
| 12:56.52 | turb | what's wrong? |
| 12:56.56 | harleyg | im just thinking about speed |
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| 12:57.10 | wols | turb: intel is not cisc. hasn't been since the original pentium died out |
| 12:57.20 | harleyg | and i mean is ddr2 better than ddr, |
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| 12:57.27 | antgel | harleyg: #hardware |
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| 12:57.32 | turb | intel is cics.. they are the only cics alive |
| 12:57.34 | harleyg | meh you lot know more |
| 12:57.35 | wols | harleyg: opterons is faster. especially in multicore/smp variants |
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| 12:57.37 | turb | cisc |
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| 12:57.41 | harleyg | ok |
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| 12:57.50 | wols | turb: please inform yourself before you talk next time |
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| 12:58.16 | turb | wols: what..? |
| 12:58.19 | wols | turb: by your argument, amd is cisc too since they have the exact same ISA as intel... |
| 12:58.52 | wols | turb: internally neithre ahtlons nor pentiums are cisc. they are all risc there basically (with intel using not real risc but netburst) |
| 12:59.01 | wols | externally they both appear as a cisc machine tho |
| 12:59.02 | turb | wols: the isa is the same since it's x86. the isa has nothing to do with implementation |
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| 12:59.30 | nevyn | wols: except some things like SIMD are really hyper cisc |
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| 13:00.40 | turb | you can implement the same isa using different architectures.. single cycle, multi cycle or piplined. |
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| 13:01.17 | wols | harleyg: btw, ddr2 doesn't mean anything right now. no real advantage. when intel introduces FB-DIMM, this will probably change |
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| 13:01.59 | antgel | gnome hackers: is g_print some sort of gnomelibs debug call? |
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| 13:02.42 | stew | !fgi antgel g_print |
| 13:02.43 | dpkg | antgel: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=g_print |
| 13:02.44 | win2lin | which is best enterprise firewall server |
| 13:02.52 | antgel | stew: fair |
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| 13:03.40 | curby | hmm i'm still having trouble getting cron to read files in /etc/cron.d |
| 13:03.48 | curby | i verified that the names don't have ignored characters |
| 13:03.52 | antgel | kamaraju: not a proper answer, but it's just a warning, ignore it |
| 13:04.02 | SimonRaven | ignore it, or remove duplicate entries in the x conf |
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| 13:04.23 | win2lin | which is the best debian based enterprise firewall server |
| 13:04.40 | antgel | !best |
| 13:04.40 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 13:04.45 | SimonRaven | what? |
| 13:05.05 | Guerin | win2lin: sarge |
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| 13:05.14 | phretor | which is a good compromise for gcc version? 3.3? 3.4? 4.0? |
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| 13:05.33 | X3rxes | hi |
| 13:05.34 | wols | since you say "compromise": 3.3 |
| 13:05.35 | antgel | phretor: depends but 4.0 is newest, hence not a compromise |
| 13:05.36 | X3rxes | lol |
| 13:05.36 | Guerin | phretor: use each as it is required |
| 13:05.43 | merl15 | hey guys..ive had sound problems for over a week now with no success ;( ive tried just about everything thats come to mind and everything that "dpkg" has to say =/ my error ("failed to open audio output...") keeps coming up and supposably the device /dev/default is not found |
| 13:05.52 | Guerin | merl15: details |
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| 13:06.13 | Guerin | phretor: use 4.0 for everything that it'll build, 3.4 for everything else, 3.3 for everything else, etc. |
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| 13:07.04 | merl15 | Guerin: like what kind of details? its a debian etch and ive tried reinstalling alsa files..ive tried enabling/disabling the sound system from KControl (I usually run xfce though, if you need to know) and NO sound programs work (xmms, mpg321, etc) |
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| 13:07.22 | merl15 | also running alsaconf does nothing..command unknown apparently =/ |
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| 13:07.30 | Guerin | merl15: what sounds card and what kernel would be a start |
| 13:07.33 | omry|work | installed mysql, wored fine till a reboot. now when I run /etc/init.d/mysql restart I get "error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'. I don't see anything in mysql logs, and no new logs are created. can anyone help? |
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| 13:08.10 | antgel | merl15: alsaconf is in alsa-utils |
| 13:08.15 | antgel | !tell merl15 about search |
| 13:08.18 | wols | check if /var/run/mysqld/ exists and is writable |
| 13:08.30 | wols | should be like this: drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql root 112 2005-08-26 16:56 . |
| 13:08.39 | antgel | omry|work: changed your kernel? |
| 13:08.49 | merl15 | btw Guerin, no sound card, on-board AC97 and kernel would be..hmm 2.6.8 |
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| 13:09.03 | antgel | merl15: lspci |
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| 13:09.10 | antgel | merl15: ac97, fair enough |
| 13:09.25 | antgel | merl15: lsmod |grep snd |
| 13:09.27 | Thunder000 | what is the package name for x window ? |
| 13:09.30 | omry|work | wols, looks similar, except group is adm, not root. |
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| 13:09.42 | antgel | !tell Thunder000 about x |
| 13:09.48 | omry|work | antgel, actually I tried to change the kernel, but reverted because it didn't boot. |
| 13:09.59 | antgel | bugger |
| 13:10.13 | merl15 | antgel: ive modprobe'd all modules im "supposed" to |
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| 13:10.17 | merl15 | but with no result so far =/ |
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| 13:10.40 | antgel | omry|work: naughty, you need to tell us more. did you build the kernels? |
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| 13:11.01 | omry|work | antgel, no. I tried to use one from the repository. |
| 13:11.03 | antgel | merl15: no. have you unmuted and raised the volume in the mixer? |
| 13:11.09 | justin | !tell merl15 about ac97 |
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| 13:12.00 | cahoot | merl15: also make sure no OSS module for the card is loaded |
| 13:12.04 | CargolNet | how do I "apt-get -f install" with aptitude, "aptitude -f install"?? |
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| 13:12.17 | antgel | omry|work: kernel version? debian version? |
| 13:12.32 | omry|work | antgel, right now I am on 2.4.27-2-386, debian is etch. |
| 13:12.53 | antgel | omry|work: did you check the bts? |
| 13:13.02 | omry|work | antgel, bts? |
| 13:13.20 | antgel | omry|work: yes, the thing that you should check if you are not running stable. |
| 13:13.25 | antgel | !btssmite omry|work |
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| 13:13.25 | phretor | I found this quite OT but --if someone uses ipw2100: why they remove the ifname module parameter? Is there another way to set the interface name? |
| 13:13.29 | merl15 | ok cahoot, ill get rid of anything if they are loaded |
| 13:13.45 | antgel | merl15: mixer? |
| 13:13.53 | Guerin | merl15: cahoot appears to have you well in hand |
| 13:14.00 | merl15 | antgel: would that be alsa-mixer or what? |
| 13:14.08 | Guerin | alsamixer |
| 13:14.14 | omry|work | antgel, I am running testing, not unstable... |
| 13:14.30 | omry|work | antgel, and it worked fine for a while. |
| 13:14.34 | antgel | omry|work: you're not running stable. hence you should check the bts. |
| 13:14.48 | antgel | omry|work: so it worked? point is testing can break. |
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| 13:16.21 | antgel | omry|work: what version of mysql you running |
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| 13:16.47 | omry|work | antgel, mysql Ver 12.22 Distrib 4.0.24, for pc-linux-gnu (i386) |
| 13:16.48 | merl15 | Guerin..alsamixergui doesnt open because it says it cant find device default |
| 13:17.02 | merl15 | and gnome-alsamixer is the same =/ |
| 13:17.10 | omry|work | antgel, nothing about that in the bts (if it was a known bug, it would be a critical one). |
| 13:17.18 | Guerin | merl15: then you either have some oss modules loaded, or don't have the correct alsa modules loaded |
| 13:17.31 | antgel | !bugs 320988 |
| 13:17.34 | dpkg | DONE:#320988:N[mysql-server] mysql server doesn't start Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:03:23 UTC.</div><h3>Found in version mysql-server/4.0.24-10 |
| 13:17.54 | Guerin | !iinfo mysql-server etch |
| 13:17.57 | Guerin | !info mysql-server etch |
| 13:17.57 | merl15 | ok and should the sound system in KDE be enabled or not? and does that even have any effect on anything? |
| 13:17.58 | omry|work | geez, I feel blind :) |
| 13:18.02 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.24-10 (etch), Packaged size: 3559 kB, Installed size: 8604 kB |
| 13:18.10 | Guerin | merl15: turn it poff for testing purposes |
| 13:18.17 | Guerin | merl15: you need to use kcontrol for that |
| 13:18.24 | SimonRaven | ion3 is kinda freaky. i rarely have my uxterm window so large |
| 13:18.33 | wols | merl15: maybe enter "lsmod" and paste its output in a pastebin |
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| 13:18.41 | antgel | i really think that www.debian.org/releases needs updating to tell users that if they want to use testing or unstable, there are certain precautions they should take. would make life easier in here and on d-u. |
| 13:18.48 | wols | so it would be clear what modules you have loaded |
| 13:18.57 | merl15 | wols: pastebin? :/ |
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| 13:19.12 | wols | http://pastebin.com/ or #flood |
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| 13:20.00 | omry|work | antgel, thanks alot |
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| 13:20.22 | antgel | omry|work: np. you learnt to fish :P |
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| 13:20.50 | omry|work | antgel, yup :). |
| 13:20.56 | CloD | hi - I've read somewhere that under debian I need postfix-tls to enable smtp+sasl BUT my postfix is 2.2 (testing) and the next appropriate version of postfix-tls is only in experimental... Do I really need to have an experimental package ?! |
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| 13:21.04 | merl15 | wols, http://pastebin.com/348403 |
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| 13:21.43 | cahoot | merl15: es1371 looks ossy - rmmod it |
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| 13:22.10 | jessica_ | anyone had issues with limewire and linux. ive got the latest free version and like, when i runLime.sh it comes up with the configuration where i clikc next then next and i get to choose the folder to save files to, if i use the default or anyother folder it says it cannot save there and please try to find another folder <-- all the permissions are good. chmod 777 and chown jessica:jessica) |
| 13:22.19 | merl15 | cahoot, ok done, anything else you think shouldnt be there? |
| 13:22.57 | wols | merl15: and check /etc/modules for es1371 too. remove it there also |
| 13:23.06 | Guerin | !limewire |
| 13:23.06 | dpkg | limewire is, like, better known as lamewire - yet another braindead java p2p client. Not in debian. see http://www.limewire.com! GPL! |
| 13:23.14 | Guerin | don't use limewire |
| 13:23.16 | Guerin | it's shite |
| 13:23.38 | cahoot | merl15: the truth is I'm not sure alsa will start after rmmoding es1371 without a reboot |
| 13:23.51 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.54 | cahoot | ok |
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| 13:24.06 | merl15 | hmm wols, there is no es1371 in /etc/modules |
| 13:24.08 | Guerin | you will need to make sure the CORRECT modules are loaded, however |
| 13:24.23 | kspath | I still do not understand the unnecessary use of java even after much of the horrid brokenness is gone |
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| 13:24.27 | antgel | CloD: i'm not a postfix man, but pacakages.debian.org suggests that postfix-tls is in stable and experimental and not testing or unstable. proceed with care. perhaps that functionality is in another package in testing and unstable. |
| 13:24.29 | Guerin | kspath: nor |
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| 13:24.59 | Guerin | kspath: so many things are written in java which coould just as reasonably been written in languages which didn't require sun's evilness |
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| 13:25.14 | merl15 | Guerin, how about enabling/disabling the sound system of KDE? Do I need a reboot after that? |
| 13:25.28 | wols | Guerin: for writing crossplatform GUi apps, what else is there? |
| 13:25.28 | Guerin | merl15: no, you just turn it off in kcontrol and it's done |
| 13:25.32 | CloD | antgel : thanks, that's what I discovered so far... |
| 13:25.34 | kspath | perl, python, TCL/TK,... |
| 13:25.38 | Guerin | wols: perl, c, python |
| 13:25.40 | Guerin | etc... |
| 13:25.51 | wols | c? and crossplatform GUI? |
| 13:26.02 | kspath | GTK |
| 13:26.05 | kspath | TK |
| 13:26.07 | Guerin | wols: gtk works on windows and so on |
| 13:26.07 | wols | or crossplatform network for that matter |
| 13:26.11 | merl15 | cahoot, still no sound or difference (the error messages are still there) |
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| 13:26.23 | Guerin | come on, are you going to argue that c doesn't work on windows or mac or *? |
| 13:26.38 | Guerin | !blacklist |
| 13:26.39 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 13:26.39 | wols | no it does not (standard C at least doesn't) |
| 13:26.41 | kspath | hehehe |
| 13:26.43 | cahoot | merl15: rmmod all snd- modules |
| 13:26.52 | wols | or rather: standard C has no way to write a GUI. at all |
| 13:27.10 | Guerin | merl15: blacklist all sound modules which don't start with snd-, reboot, and you should be good to go |
| 13:27.11 | kspath | perl/TK |
| 13:27.13 | nevyn | standard C is pretty small. |
| 13:27.14 | kspath | TCL/TK |
| 13:27.19 | Guerin | wols: oh, come off it |
| 13:27.25 | cahoot | merl15: do as told before - check with lspci what sound card you have |
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| 13:27.43 | kspath | lspci lsusb are GREAT tools! |
| 13:27.59 | wols | kspath: true, python/TK is even better since TK comes with the standard install of it. but: you have to ship a runtime again, just like with java |
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| 13:28.02 | merl15 | cahoot, i dont have a "soundcard" its an onboard one? |
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| 13:28.18 | kspath | but you avoid java |
| 13:28.21 | cahoot | merl15: did you *try* with lspci? |
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| 13:28.33 | Guerin | wols: ok, so it's as bas as java except not free |
| 13:28.35 | Guerin | err |
| 13:28.40 | Guerin | not non-free |
| 13:28.44 | merl15 | Guerin, wouldnt I need to add the right snd modules again after reboot? |
| 13:28.50 | merl15 | cahoot, yes |
| 13:28.52 | Guerin | merl15: should be done automagically |
| 13:29.11 | wols | yes it's free. but python for example has a lot less undergrads who know the language. java is taught first, so you have a BIG pool for cheap labour :) |
| 13:29.17 | Guerin | merl15: if not, then you can figure out which are needed, etc. |
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| 13:29.30 | kspath | UGH |
| 13:29.39 | Guerin | wols: and that, my friend, appears to be one of the great failings of computer science departments the world over |
| 13:29.54 | cahoot | merl15: what happends if you run alsaconf now? |
| 13:29.54 | kspath | if you want cheap labour move your whole operation to brazil or russia or india |
| 13:30.00 | nevyn | hrm.. swing has bus |
| 13:30.01 | wols | Guerin: maybe. but it explains why so many p2p clients are written in java :) |
| 13:30.02 | nevyn | hrm.. swing has bugs |
| 13:30.11 | nevyn | lots of layout bugs. |
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| 13:30.15 | Guerin | wols: yes, and it also explains why all the good ones are not. |
| 13:30.16 | wathek | hello all |
| 13:30.17 | merl15 | cahoot, thats another problem |
| 13:30.24 | kspath | most comp sci depts do not even teach C well |
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| 13:30.25 | merl15 | i get: sprawl:/home/merlin# alsaconf |
| 13:30.25 | merl15 | bash: alsaconf: command not found |
| 13:30.30 | wathek | how can I create Deb files from source ? |
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| 13:30.32 | merl15 | im running it as root |
| 13:30.32 | Guerin | merl15: be root |
| 13:30.43 | Guerin | merl15: aptitude install alsa-utils |
| 13:30.48 | wols | kspath: C is a very hard language to do well. and there aren't many good examples in the real world out there |
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| 13:30.54 | wols | just look at the win32 api... |
| 13:30.55 | Guerin | !nm guide |
| 13:30.56 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 13:30.57 | nevyn | kspath: I did C last year.. I have the best comment in red pen on an assignment somewhere... |
| 13:30.59 | Guerin | wathek: ^^ |
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| 13:31.08 | nevyn | "Why did you use fgets instead of just using gets?" |
| 13:31.10 | kspath | wols: true |
| 13:31.17 | merl15 | hey Guerin, alsaconf works now, thanks |
| 13:31.18 | cahoot | merl15: install alsa-utils |
| 13:31.25 | merl15 | ok cahoot, done |
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| 13:31.34 | Guerin | wathek: otherise, look and see if the untarred source tree has a debian/ dir; if not, dh_make might work, else you can use checkinstall from a one-off |
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| 13:31.39 | merl15 | is there a way to use a wildcard to remove all snd- related modules? |
| 13:31.41 | meds | nevyn: nice :p |
| 13:31.42 | cahoot | yea noticed I was a bit late |
| 13:31.44 | kspath | nevyn: shame you could not red pen the red pen comment |
| 13:31.45 | merl15 | or do i have to do it one by one? |
| 13:31.48 | wols | nevyn: have you pointed out that tutor to your prof? |
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| 13:31.52 | wathek | Guerin, the prob is |
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| 13:32.05 | wathek | Guerin, I'm under Fedora Core and I wanna creat Deb packages |
| 13:32.07 | SimonRaven | @kernel |
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| 13:32.11 | nevyn | wols: TAFE not uni |
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| 13:32.19 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.12.5, prepatch: 2.6.13-rc7, snapshot: 2.6.13-rc7-git3, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-pre3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.13-rc6-mm2 |
| 13:32.20 | wols | nevyn: wassat? |
| 13:32.27 | CloD | FYI I just found that postfix-tls is included in the testing version of postfix, so no need to install anything - thanks for your help, bye |
| 13:32.28 | nevyn | wols: the set compiler was MS quickC v2 |
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| 13:32.38 | nevyn | wols: umm.. think community college |
| 13:32.46 | nevyn | wols: like.. vocational training. |
| 13:32.50 | wols | *gasp*. that thing still runs? |
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| 13:32.54 | Guerin | wathek: good luck with that. Try using whatever package-creation tools fedora has to make rpms of debian tools, and go from there. |
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| 13:33.11 | nevyn | wols: it was horrible. |
| 13:33.19 | meds | nevyn: my college had the programming teachers ever |
| 13:33.21 | nevyn | wols: no c9x |
| 13:33.26 | wathek | Guerin, it's like converting RPMs to DEBs ? |
| 13:33.29 | meds | the worst |
| 13:33.34 | nevyn | bleh c9x |
| 13:33.36 | wols | nevyn: I'd be happy if it did proper C89 :) |
| 13:33.51 | wols | nevyn: next time bring a copy of Dev-C++ in and give it to the teacher :) |
| 13:34.01 | nevyn | I love for(int i=0;i<10;i++) |
| 13:34.06 | nevyn | wols: I did |
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| 13:34.13 | wols | I usually use g++ and write C code. works for me :) |
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| 13:34.30 | nevyn | having the i scoped to the for rocks. |
| 13:34.35 | vladuz976 | how can i add a dir to my PATH variable for all users |
| 13:34.45 | wols | most of the advantages of C++ and I can ignore the crappy parts |
| 13:34.47 | merl15 | cahoot, so i need to remove ALL snd modules?..there are a lot of them loaded? =/ |
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| 13:35.12 | gianluca | what program apt-get uses to fetch web things? |
| 13:35.26 | nevyn | gianluca: it's own |
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| 13:35.44 | merl15 | Guerin, same question as above, all sound modules should be removeD? or just oss ones? |
| 13:35.49 | cahoot | merl15: did alsaconf run it's course withpout complaints? |
| 13:35.51 | gianluca | nevyn: define please. Is there a way I can use it via command line? |
| 13:35.54 | soar | what about thunderbird email client? |
| 13:36.12 | stew | !wikifaq vladuz976 DotFiles |
| 13:36.13 | merl15 | ah cahoot, should i run alsaconf before or after the removing of the snd modules? |
| 13:36.15 | dpkg | vladuz976: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:36.15 | wols | gianluca: since it's inside the apt binary, I doubt it. maybe look into wget? |
| 13:36.16 | nevyn | gianluca: you can manually fetch a deb from the archive if you want. |
| 13:36.21 | cahoot | merl15: can try |
| 13:36.24 | merl15 | ok |
| 13:36.32 | SimonRaven | fucking thing won't read my CC env var.... grrrrrr |
| 13:36.35 | curby | so anyone know why cron wouldn't read files in /etc/cron.d ? even when owner/perms are right, and file name is only lower case letters, it doesn't work |
| 13:36.41 | gianluca | ok thanks all |
| 13:36.42 | merl15 | running it while X is running is fine im guesing..? |
| 13:36.43 | gianluca | I found the way |
| 13:36.48 | Guerin | merl15: just oss |
| 13:36.49 | gianluca | seems to be curl? |
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| 13:36.53 | SimonRaven | ffs the other 2 do... |
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| 13:37.02 | syntaxx | is there a libdvdcss on debian? |
| 13:37.04 | Guerin | merl15: but if it's causing problems, remove the whole lot and then run alsaconf |
| 13:37.20 | SimonRaven | no. you fetch it separately |
| 13:37.20 | wols | syntaxx: no, and due to legal issues there nevre will be |
| 13:37.26 | stew | syntaxx: no, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 13:37.29 | salahuddin | syntaxx: yap |
| 13:37.31 | wols | there are unofficial sources tho |
| 13:37.43 | SimonRaven | salahuddin: no |
| 13:37.43 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
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| 13:37.59 | nevyn | no curl is good.. if apt used curl.. that'd be ok. |
| 13:38.00 | FieldySnuts | ~lart syntaxx |
| 13:38.06 | phretor | is there something to display current startup scripts setup? I mean, I don't want to ls -la /etc/rc*.d/ |
| 13:38.11 | merl15 | bah..I get this error: No Supported PnP or PCI card found. Would you like to probe Legacy ISA cards..? |
| 13:38.23 | SimonRaven | phretor: /etc/init.d/ ... |
| 13:38.24 | salahuddin | syntaxx: add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 13:38.31 | Guerin | wathek: no ... make rpms of debian tools like dh-make and debscripts, fakeroot; install them, and then use them to make debian packages |
| 13:38.42 | stew | salahuddin: how do you know he is on testing? |
| 13:38.56 | phretor | SimonRaven: I'd like to know which of them are currenlty active/non-active/etc |
| 13:38.57 | wathek | Guerin, I didn't understand |
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| 13:39.11 | SimonRaven | phretor: start with rc2.d |
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| 13:39.18 | vladuz976 | i changed the path in /etc/profile but when i run "env" my path variable still looks the same |
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| 13:39.28 | SimonRaven | phretor: the other relevant ones are in rcS.d |
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| 13:39.47 | merl15 | cahoot, alsaconf does NOT run fine ;( |
| 13:39.58 | SimonRaven | hint, ls -l /etc/rc{2,S}.d |
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| 13:40.07 | salahuddin | stew: he is a debian usr so i do not think he wont undertsnd it. i just copy and paste from me /etc/apt/source.list (a little mistake i think) |
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| 13:41.57 | cahoot | merl15: the thing is - on e wants/needs to know what type of sound device you have - paste the output of 'cat /proc/pci' to a pastebin |
| 13:42.33 | shark_ | anyone willing to write on a linux wiki? |
| 13:42.41 | SimonRaven | /proc/pci only applies to 2.4 and 2.6 with "legacy" /proc/pci support of which debian kernels don't have IIRC |
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| 13:43.11 | cahoot | SimonRaven: that so? |
| 13:43.12 | kamaraju | Why is 2.6.11-1-686 still not compiled with gcc 4.0? |
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| 13:43.22 | SimonRaven | uh hunh |
| 13:43.33 | phretor | SimonRaven: I found rcconf and it seems what I was looking for |
| 13:43.34 | stew | kamaraju: becuase it came out before gcc-4.0 was in debian |
| 13:43.39 | soldiar | hi @ll |
| 13:43.42 | SimonRaven | not sure about the debian kernels, they might include it now, but the former bits i am sure |
| 13:43.51 | SimonRaven | phretor: cool |
| 13:44.05 | kamaraju | stew: True. But it could have been recompiled as gcc-4.0 is the default compiler now. |
| 13:44.14 | kamaraju | s/as/with |
| 13:44.22 | merl15 | cahoot..sprawl:/home/merlin# cat /proc/pci |
| 13:44.22 | merl15 | cat: /proc/pci: No such file or directory |
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| 13:44.42 | stew | kamaraju: why would they? when there is 2.6.12 available? |
| 13:44.58 | cahoot | merl15: yes I learned it's not there with debian kernels |
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| 13:45.17 | phretor | which script performs hardware detection at boot? (I'm using testing) |
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| 13:45.47 | SimonRaven | ok, so they're not including it. i include it with my 2.6 kernels since i like being able to see the pci devices if lspci isn't there ;) |
| 13:45.48 | sacha_ | hi debianized people |
| 13:45.54 | FallOnMe | merl15: lspci works. |
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| 13:46.14 | vladuz976 | hi, i added a dir to the path in /etc/profile but when i echo path it still hasn't changed |
| 13:46.32 | merl15 | cahoot, do you want the output of lspci instead? |
| 13:46.42 | cahoot | merl15: yes |
| 13:47.02 | stew | vladuz976: it won't change until you log out and back in |
| 13:47.27 | vladuz976 | stew i have and still it doesn't |
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| 13:47.54 | merl15 | http://pastebin.com/348416 |
| 13:48.00 | stew | vladuz976: then your .bash_profile or .bashrc is resetting the path after /etc/profile |
| 13:48.17 | vladuz976 | stew, so what can i do? |
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| 13:48.36 | stew | vladuz976: edit your .bash_profile and/or your .bashrc |
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| 13:48.38 | cahoot | merl15: 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 008a (rev a1) |
| 13:48.46 | vladuz976 | stew, ok, thatnks |
| 13:49.11 | merl15 | cahoot, ive seen that before and i guess it doesnt have the right driver loaded for it or something but.. |
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| 13:49.21 | FallOnMe | merl15: That an nForce2 mobo? |
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| 13:49.33 | bartden | hi, i just added some keys with setkeycodes but how can i add a command to that certain key ? |
| 13:49.39 | cahoot | merl15: well it does show up contrary to what you claimed |
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| 13:50.08 | merl15 | FallOnMe, nForce2 yes |
| 13:50.10 | merl15 | cahoot, which is? |
| 13:50.32 | merl15 | cahoot: its onboard sound..and is it expecting me to load some drivers/modules for it or what? |
| 13:50.42 | Fleck | syntaxx apt-cache search |
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| 13:51.08 | FallOnMe | merl15: snd_intel8x0 works on my nforce2 dekstop at work. |
| 13:51.56 | merl15 | FallOnMe, so should i modprobe snd_intel8x0? |
| 13:52.10 | sacha_ | maybe should interest people here, I've found a way to do portknocking whith iptables only |
| 13:52.13 | FallOnMe | merl15: you could try and see what happens. ;-) |
| 13:52.28 | cahoot | merl15: I'd suggest you first remove all the earlier snd- module |
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| 13:52.44 | merl15 | cahoot, sorry for asking yet again but, just the oss ones right? |
| 13:52.48 | abrotman | !nvsound |
| 13:52.49 | dpkg | i heard nvsound is nvidia's closed-source OSS module. Highly unstable, do not bother using this with nforce1, 3, 4, or cheap nforce2 boards, i810_audio or snd-intel8x0 work fine. However, on some nforce2 boards with "SoundStorm", you may wish to use it (emu10k1-style hardware mixing, and Dolby Digital encoding) |
| 13:52.50 | syntaxx | apt-get install marillat says couldnt find package =/ |
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| 13:53.13 | cahoot | merl15: the es1371 *and* all the snd- (which are alsa-modules) |
| 13:53.13 | abrotman | marillat is not a package .. he's a person |
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| 13:53.35 | merl15 | cahoot: ok |
| 13:53.45 | marmot | hi, what would be the easiest way to map joystick aixes to buttons? |
| 13:53.54 | syntaxx | oh ok sorry |
| 13:54.03 | Mage_ | krkrkrkr apt-get install marillat |
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| 13:54.20 | Mage_ | no marillat for terry >:o |
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| 13:55.10 | abrotman | marillat is not a package .. he's a person |
| 13:55.53 | phretor | http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/07/msg00033.html I got the same problem. Suggestions? |
| 13:56.12 | FallOnMe | abrotman: a more useful fact would be that he's a person with a package repository, in which there are a lot of packages |
| 13:56.20 | merl15 | cahoot: there are a lot of snd- modules..so all the ones which i get from doing modprobe -l? |
| 13:56.49 | abrotman | FallOnMe: he's not a package .. he's a person .. don't install him |
| 13:57.00 | abrotman | !marillat |
| 13:57.00 | dpkg | well, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 13:57.10 | FallOnMe | I'm not a number, I'm a free man! |
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| 13:57.50 | FallOnMe | even dpkg says he's a repositorry ;-) |
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| 13:58.23 | wols | FallOnMe: he's still a man too |
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| 13:58.47 | marmot | well, is there at least a possobility of that kind of mapping without getting into joydev.c? |
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| 13:58.57 | asuffield | wols: that's never been proven |
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| 13:59.15 | abrotman | FallOnMe: HE"S NOT A PACKAGE |
| 13:59.30 | wols | asuffield: you could be a methane breather from alpha centauri too, but go I around telling people that? *g* |
| 13:59.36 | FallOnMe | wols: Really, I thought the repository was a self-sustained digital life form? |
| 13:59.42 | asuffield | wols: dude, he's *french* |
| 13:59.46 | wols | of course deep down I know you're a dog (or an FBI agent, take your pick) |
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| 13:59.53 | FallOnMe | abrotman: who's said the was? |
| 14:00.07 | abrotman | FallOnMe: you're god damn clueless |
| 14:00.17 | FieldySnuts | ~clue FallOnMe |
| 14:00.19 | apt | ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for FallOnMe "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me." |
| 14:00.46 | wols | FieldySnuts: wrong command. you don't give clueless people on |
| 14:00.47 | abrotman | where do these people come from ... |
| 14:00.50 | wols | !lart FallOnMe |
| 14:00.56 | wols | that's what you do |
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| 14:01.16 | wols | abrotman: you're on irc on the intarweb and you have to ask? |
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| 14:01.26 | Guerin | what does 86.7% wa mean in top? |
| 14:01.35 | SimonRaven | wait |
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| 14:01.39 | wols | waiting. for IO usually IIRC |
| 14:01.47 | SimonRaven | er |
| 14:02.09 | Guerin | oh |
| 14:02.19 | SimonRaven | *sigh* . reportbug doesn't show bug reports anymore? |
| 14:02.19 | wols | Guerin: do you have high loads too? |
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| 14:02.33 | pink1 | Hola - any help with the syntax in sudoers please? I want to use the runaspw parameter for selected users, but man sudoers is far from clear :-( |
| 14:02.34 | abrotman | SimonRaven: file a bug |
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| 14:02.37 | Guerin | that's rather bad, given that it's eating 86.7% of my cpu |
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| 14:02.46 | FallOnMe | SimonRaven: been broken since they changed the looks of BTS. |
| 14:02.49 | Guerin | wols: no, only 2 |
| 14:02.55 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.02 | wols | Guerin: you sure you use busmaster? it's usually that for me. also gives high loads too |
| 14:03.02 | Guerin | oops |
| 14:03.06 | Guerin | wrong machine |
| 14:03.07 | SimonRaven | bts2ldap fyi, and the css on the site |
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| 14:03.10 | wols | "only" 2? |
| 14:03.23 | Guerin | 23:02:47 up 8 days, 6:13, 3 users, load average: 2.24, 2.05, 2.02 |
| 14:03.32 | Guerin | wols: 2 isn't wildly high |
| 14:03.35 | wols | really look into hdparm then |
| 14:03.39 | wols | for me here it is |
| 14:03.54 | asuffield | loadavg doesn't have an absolute scale. saying "loadavg is currently 2" is meaningless |
| 14:03.57 | SimonRaven | i've seen 102 on this nox, and 115 on another |
| 14:03.57 | wols | I'm betting at least one of your disks runs in PIO mode |
| 14:04.02 | xnet | so i got two monitors hooked up to my video card but i can't set desktop setting for screen1/screen2, its just one long sreen. how can i remidy this? |
| 14:04.06 | SimonRaven | box even |
| 14:04.07 | asuffield | what you're interested in is *changes* in loadavg. that's why there are three values |
| 14:04.14 | syntaxx | is it possible to change application font size? my application fonts looks big |
| 14:04.18 | bartden | hi i just installed hotkeys, and i'm using the acertm4101 keybindings, how can i addjust the commands these buttons use ? |
| 14:04.20 | wols | all I know is if mine is >2 it feels sluggish |
| 14:04.30 | SimonRaven | yeh, it's more indicative of actual real-time load |
| 14:04.33 | wols | so I try to keep it down |
| 14:04.36 | FallOnMe | SimonRaven: yeah well, I don't know how's it managed from inside, I just know it broke at the same time. |
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| 14:05.08 | Guerin | well, this box is serving about two dozen big torrents at ~1 megabyte/sec, and not much else |
| 14:05.21 | SimonRaven | would be really simple if they filtered out the anything with .css in the file name and it wouldn't break... |
| 14:05.30 | SimonRaven | s/the// |
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| 14:06.22 | knopX | how do i install java to mozilla |
| 14:06.27 | knopX | java plugin |
| 14:06.36 | abrotman | are you on knoppix? |
| 14:06.36 | Mage_ | knopX: apt-get install java-package |
| 14:06.38 | Guerin | i'd expect ram to be more of an issue than disk i/o; and in any case, dma is on for all 4 drives |
| 14:06.49 | SimonRaven | knopX: see the FAQ on the mozilla site |
| 14:06.51 | FallOnMe | Guerin: probably it's getting outstanding read requests to different places on disk, and the head can't be at two places at the same time. Buy more memory and keep all the files in cache. ;-) |
| 14:07.11 | xnet | how do i get dual monitors to be two screens rather than one long one in xorg? |
| 14:07.17 | knopX | Mage_ I am on knoppix but i guess i need to setup my apt-get stuff could you help me |
| 14:07.27 | Mage_ | #knoppix |
| 14:07.33 | Guerin | FallOnMe: well, 38/64MB ram is cache |
| 14:07.33 | abrotman | knopX: then ask #knoppix .. leave this channel now |
| 14:07.37 | Guerin | so that would add up |
| 14:07.51 | knopX | Mage_ it is built on debian so it should be the same im basically lrunning debian |
| 14:07.53 | abrotman | knopX: then ask #knoppix .. leave this channel now |
| 14:08.00 | FallOnMe | Guerin: you can use vmstat and see how many processes are IO blocked, probably the "b" column never drops to 0. |
| 14:08.05 | abrotman | knopX: this channel is not for knoppix support |
| 14:08.10 | wols | Guerin: what chipset do you have? with 64MB it must be an old one? |
| 14:08.15 | Guerin | knopX: you'd think so ... but knopper changed a shitload of stuff |
| 14:08.17 | Mage_ | knopX: knoppix is not debian |
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| 14:08.30 | knopX | umm ok |
| 14:08.33 | knopX | see ya |
| 14:08.48 | shark_ | anyone willing to write on a linux wiki? |
| 14:08.51 | Guerin | wols: it's an intel 440bx with a cel500 and one stick of sdram in |
| 14:08.52 | Mage_ | mage@rivendell:~$ apt-cache search java-package |
| 14:08.52 | Mage_ | java-package - utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages |
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| 14:09.01 | Guerin | i could put more in, but it's currently in use elsewhere |
| 14:09.02 | Mage_ | should be the same on knoppix ... |
| 14:09.21 | MrWeet | im doing a debian netinst right now :D |
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| 14:09.33 | wols | hmmm... that shouldn't give any probs with bm-dma at all |
| 14:09.38 | Mage_ | then fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin && su && dpkg -i sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb |
| 14:09.39 | wols | as bog standard as they come |
| 14:09.49 | Guerin | FallOnMe: b=2, static |
| 14:10.05 | Guerin | FallOnMe: oh, no, occasionally it drops to 1 |
| 14:10.21 | MrWeet | anyone have an estimate on how long it would take to download the desktop enviroment with netinst on a 200KB/s connection? |
| 14:10.32 | Guerin | MrWeet: KB or kb? |
| 14:10.40 | MrWeet | kilobytes |
| 14:10.42 | wols | Guerin: crappy nic |
| 14:10.43 | FallOnMe | Guerin: so that's where your 2.something load avg comes from. |
| 14:10.44 | Guerin | MrWeet: the former; less than 5 minutes |
| 14:10.47 | MrWeet | i don't remember the abbreviations :( |
| 14:10.53 | wols | it could create wait cycles too I think |
| 14:10.55 | Guerin | wols: 8139 :) |
| 14:11.03 | wols | that answers that I guess :) |
| 14:11.04 | Guerin | FallOnMe: indeed. |
| 14:11.13 | abrotman | god damn it |
| 14:11.23 | Guerin | MrWeet: if it's 200 k bytes/sec, it'll be plenty fast |
| 14:11.31 | Guerin | maybe not 5 minutes, but not very much |
| 14:11.37 | MrWeet | :) |
| 14:11.39 | Guerin | abrotman: gutted |
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| 14:12.04 | Guerin | well, that machine is looking like it'll inherit 256MB more ram |
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| 14:12.27 | Guerin | praps that'll help matter |
| 14:12.29 | Guerin | s |
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| 14:12.41 | FallOnMe | Guerin: but I'd bet on disk, not network, though. If it's for torrents, well, who cares? If it were a server, I'd start looking for better/faster disks, and a decent amount of RAM. |
| 14:12.42 | abrotman | Guerin: it died ? |
| 14:12.46 | merl15 | FallOnMe, cahoot, alsaconf still brings no result..=/ |
| 14:13.05 | Libby | Hi :-) Is there a kind of Mini-Debian? I want to install a Linux system on a Pentim 90 :-) |
| 14:13.12 | Guerin | FallOnMe: yeah, I don't much care, i'm just wondering if something's not right. |
| 14:13.25 | MrWeet | Libby: how much hd space? |
| 14:13.32 | Libby | MrWeet: 800MB |
| 14:13.33 | Guerin | abrotman: probably buying a new cpu/mobo for pigeon tomorrow |
| 14:13.41 | abrotman | Guerin: woohoo |
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| 14:13.46 | Guerin | Libby: debian base is well under 300MB |
| 14:13.52 | abrotman | Guerin: will you go to my office and fix it? |
| 14:13.56 | MrWeet | agreed |
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| 14:14.04 | Guerin | abrotman: probably an early p4 or athlon... no great shakes |
| 14:14.14 | Guerin | abrotman: i can telecommute |
| 14:14.19 | abrotman | Guerin: dunno .. AMD64 is fairly cheap |
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| 14:14.35 | Libby | Guerin: Okay ... How would you install it? I have dovnloaded the Sarge floppy installer and it says it needs at last 24 MB RAM ... I have only 16 ;-) |
| 14:14.36 | wols | Guerin: no early P4 please. at least a northwood. and for athlons buy a tbred b |
| 14:14.49 | FallOnMe | Guerin: that's all normal, you just have an old machine. |
| 14:15.06 | Guerin | wols: it's a matter of supply... I don't give a good goddamn, really, just as long as it'll play x264 |
| 14:15.11 | Guerin | FallOnMe: yeah, so I figured |
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| 14:15.29 | wols | Guerin: old athlons play now x264? that hdtv standard? |
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| 14:15.38 | wols | I thought for hdtv you still want a 3.0GHz P4 |
| 14:15.43 | Guerin | Libby: use the woody installer - it needs only 12. Even sarge can do with less, if you use swap; it'll just be really, really slow |
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| 14:16.13 | Guerin | wols: well, a p3-866 ALMOST plays it, so I figure anything with about 1.3GHz performance should do the job |
| 14:16.26 | Guerin | wols: yes, it is a DOG for cpu requirements |
| 14:16.31 | Libby | Guerin: Okay ... do I have to download the whole first CD? The Computer has no Internet connection |
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| 14:16.40 | wols | and early P4s are hot hot hot while being vrey slow (a late P3 is faster than a early P4) |
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| 14:16.55 | shark_ | is there dummy soundcard module? |
| 14:17.06 | Guerin | Libby: it'd be wise to. The netinstall has base on it, but base isn't much. |
| 14:17.19 | Libby | Guerin : thx :-) |
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| 14:17.31 | Guerin | wols: ok. I'm figuring about 2G is as early as I'll get. |
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| 14:18.18 | wols | 2G P4 northwood then. 130nm chip. they were fine and ran very well back then |
| 14:18.21 | MrWeet | Guerin: says I have 1h2m10s left on the desktop enviroment download with netinst O_o |
| 14:18.34 | wols | Guerin: socket 478 |
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| 14:18.41 | Guerin | MrWeet: yikes |
| 14:18.47 | Guerin | wols: roger that. |
| 14:18.52 | moop | can someone explain to me how I figure out which "x server driver" I choose during setup? The default is vesa |
| 14:19.00 | Guerin | MrWeet: what video card? |
| 14:19.03 | Guerin | moop: ^^^^ |
| 14:19.13 | wols | Guerin: the upside is, you will have a bit of headroom OCing if you need it :) |
| 14:19.25 | SimonRaven | ok, bugs filed |
| 14:19.27 | moop | it's a laptop... not mine, so opening it wasn't my first choice |
| 14:19.40 | Guerin | wols: ideally i wouldn't have to ... had enough trouble trying to o/c my p3 |
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| 14:19.58 | Guerin | moop: lspci |grep VGAwill tell you |
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| 14:20.28 | moop | I can't lspci |grep VGA from the "select x server driver" screen, though |
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| 14:20.44 | stew | moop: hit alt-f2 or alt-f3 |
| 14:20.57 | SimonRaven | um, you have several terminals at your disposal... |
| 14:21.11 | moop | alrighty, ty everyone |
| 14:21.16 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 14:21.26 | moop | :D |
| 14:21.33 | MrWeet | :( |
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| 14:22.11 | SimonRaven | ffs, i hate having to edit the fucking symlinks for gcc, cpp, etc just to build one fucking module.... |
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| 14:23.02 | FallOnMe | SimonRaven: env HOSTCC=gcc-3.4 make ...? |
| 14:23.19 | SimonRaven | oh forgot about that, i just set CC |
| 14:23.25 | SimonRaven | lemme try |
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| 14:23.29 | symoon | hi |
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| 14:23.41 | SimonRaven | thanks |
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| 14:23.45 | symoon | is there a xorg guru there ? |
| 14:23.45 | christianju | Hi guys, is there process made for supporting the WLAN card coming with Apple notebooks, like iBook, which is the "Airport(Extreme)" on Debian? |
| 14:23.50 | ircdevil | hehehheeh |
| 14:24.12 | SimonRaven | @tell symoon -about guru |
| 14:24.16 | ircdevil | google for genesis -> sponsored link = Gay Porn Stars DVD's ??? |
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| 14:24.26 | symoon | i have no keymaps in /etc/X11/xkb/rules dispite a least 20 reinstall of xlibs |
| 14:24.39 | merl15 | =( sound STILL doenst work..all oss modules removed and alsaconf does NOT run successfuly =/ sound system in KDE is also disabled |
| 14:24.39 | MrWeet | !netinst |
| 14:24.39 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For sarge, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ For boot floppies see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ For etch see http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso for x86, or see dialup install. Also see d-i. |
| 14:24.56 | phretor | how about bootsplash? does someone used it? your opinion? |
| 14:25.06 | SimonRaven | christianju: no. bug broadcom for making a non-free driver and not releasing specs on that chipset |
| 14:25.08 | Guerin | !splashy |
| 14:25.08 | dpkg | somebody said splashy was a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in experimental but works in sarge all right. |
| 14:25.19 | SimonRaven | christianju: get a supported usb wifi card |
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| 14:25.32 | phretor | Guerin: tried it? |
| 14:25.50 | FieldySnuts | supported usb wifi card? heh good luck |
| 14:25.58 | SimonRaven | oh that driver ony runs in mock os x |
| 14:26.08 | SimonRaven | orinoco or prism54 |
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| 14:26.13 | SimonRaven | they do exist |
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| 14:26.42 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 14:26.42 | dpkg | -!- mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.registered] by mentor |
| 14:26.54 | SimonRaven | heh heh |
| 14:26.54 | FieldySnuts | heh! |
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| 14:27.05 | ricky_clarkson | Brilliant. |
| 14:27.06 | FieldySnuts | bad mentor |
| 14:27.13 | FallOnMe | merl15: perhaps you're one of the unlucky bastards that needs that non-free nvaudio driver. |
| 14:27.16 | SimonRaven | "<mentor> oops!" |
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| 14:27.27 | FieldySnuts | better than *!*@?* |
| 14:27.37 | justin | mert90: what is your obsession with alsaconf? |
| 14:27.41 | justin | er |
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| 14:27.54 | SimonRaven | alsaconf == POS |
| 14:27.56 | Guerin | phretor: yes |
| 14:27.58 | justin | merl15: what is your obsession with alsaconf? |
| 14:28.02 | ricky_clarkson | justin: You offended mert90. |
| 14:28.07 | FieldySnuts | poor thing. |
| 14:28.08 | xnet | how can i get my dual head to be two desktops rather than one long one? |
| 14:28.08 | justin | heh |
| 14:28.10 | phretor | Guerin: do you use sarge or unstable? |
| 14:28.12 | Guerin | phretor: bootsplash is a massibe waste of fucking time |
| 14:28.15 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate justin |
| 14:28.19 | apt | justin: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses cable lol |
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| 14:28.23 | phretor | Guerin: :-) know it |
| 14:28.25 | Guerin | phretor: both, fir different purposes |
| 14:28.26 | merl15 | justin: none..im just stating that NOTHING has worked =/ |
| 14:28.31 | mc303 | how do i release my ip address? |
| 14:28.32 | SimonRaven | ok, if the vermagic= is still fucked, i'm adding to that bug report |
| 14:28.36 | mc303 | is ifconfig eth0 down enough? |
| 14:28.39 | merl15 | and i guess FallOnMe might be right,sadly.....;( |
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| 14:28.57 | symoon | mc303: ya it is enough |
| 14:29.00 | mc303 | ok, tnx |
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| 14:29.02 | moop | there's no f2 or f3 help in the setup... anyone else have an idea how to know which "x server driver" I should choose for a laptop if I don't know the video card? default is vesa, but someone said that's a very limited option |
| 14:29.04 | wols | merl15: you want to load souncore and the i810 module. then it will work (after you ran alsamixer to unmute) |
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| 14:29.04 | justin | merl15: well if you repeatedly do the wrong thing, it isn't going to work |
| 14:29.11 | JKnife | what pkgs do i need to build DR17 from cvs |
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| 14:29.27 | SimonRaven | .... |
| 14:29.33 | Guerin | moop: use vesa until you know which card |
| 14:29.42 | FallOnMe | moop: did you try the suggested lspci | grep VGA and see that it shows you? |
| 14:29.43 | Guerin | moop: you don't need X to run lspci |
| 14:29.43 | wols | moop: after you installed the vesa one, run lspci and see what chipset you have. you can always dpkg-reconfigure later again |
| 14:29.46 | SimonRaven | still fucked. vermagic=2.6.12-pylon gcc-4.0 |
| 14:29.47 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 14:29.47 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 14:29.53 | SimonRaven | i need 3.3 |
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| 14:30.10 | FieldySnuts | @abimigrationsmite SimonRaven |
| 14:30.19 | JKnife | abrotman: thoses arnt working... i get a solid white screen when i logon |
| 14:30.28 | wols | Guerin: is lspci available when installing? |
| 14:30.31 | FieldySnuts | apt: sidsmite? |
| 14:30.38 | abrotman | JKnife: oh ok .. i've not used them |
| 14:30.39 | moop | I don't have a command prompt available, fallonme, sorry - and I'm not sure how I'd find out which chipset... do I have to open the laptop and check which card for that? |
| 14:30.47 | Guerin | wols: no, it's available immediately after install, before drxx |
| 14:30.49 | FieldySnuts | wtf? |
| 14:30.52 | wols | moop: ctrl+alt+f2 there is a command prompt |
| 14:30.56 | abrotman | JKnife: we have a few people who use e17 .. but i don't see any of them active |
| 14:31.01 | Guerin | mmwhat model of laptop? google it. |
| 14:31.01 | FieldySnuts | alt-f7 to get back likely |
| 14:31.05 | ricky_clarkson | !botsmite FieldySnuts |
| 14:31.06 | SimonRaven | ravenbird compiles SimonRaven with gcc 4 and SimonRaven segfaults into oblivion |
| 14:31.06 | Guerin | moop: ^^ |
| 14:31.07 | ravenbird | You are moron #11, SimonRaven |
| 14:31.13 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 14:31.14 | wols | or alt+f1 if you're in console mode rightnow |
| 14:31.17 | FallOnMe | moop: hmm.. the old installer had prompt on Alt-F3. Dont know about the sarge one. |
| 14:31.22 | Guerin | pwn3d by his own bot |
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| 14:31.23 | JKnife | ok |
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| 14:31.27 | FieldySnuts | yeah heh |
| 14:31.29 | SimonRaven | *G* |
| 14:31.34 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, right. |
| 14:31.39 | moop | nah I'm back & forth between the laptop and this old winbox |
| 14:31.42 | Guerin | this one still has one on f2, but i don't know if the busybox there has lspci |
| 14:31.51 | moop | k I'll test the suggestions, thanks again |
| 14:31.59 | ricky_clarkson | @who's your daddy |
| 14:32.01 | ravenbird | you are my daddy, ricky_clarkson |
| 14:32.01 | TiTAN_pi8 | hellow can anybody tell why I get the message 'file or directory not found' when I'm sure that file is there? (I want to do /usr/sbin/smbd) |
| 14:32.04 | ircdevil | now, that is an ugly spambot :o/ |
| 14:32.10 | FieldySnuts | ~what does ricky_clarkson pay you for |
| 14:32.15 | FieldySnuts | meh |
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| 14:32.17 | FallOnMe | Guerin: well if they have neither lspci nor /proc/pci, then that's just dumb. |
| 14:32.18 | Guerin | TiTAN_pi8: because the file or directory is not found |
| 14:32.22 | ricky_clarkson | ircdevil: /msg dpkg stop spam |
| 14:32.25 | Guerin | FallOnMe: ah, true enough |
| 14:32.26 | SimonRaven | ricky_clarkson: i had a vowel movement |
| 14:32.31 | Guerin | cat /proc/pci works too |
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| 14:32.32 | FieldySnuts | ....... |
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| 14:32.43 | ircdevil | ricky_clarkson: saw the topic |
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| 14:32.45 | ircdevil | :o) |
| 14:32.58 | wols | Guerin: only for 2.4 kernels, not 2.6 |
| 14:33.02 | TiTAN_pi8 | Guerin, I know that it IS there |
| 14:33.17 | Guerin | TiTAN_pi8: now all you need to do is convince your shell that it is there. |
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| 14:33.28 | gigabytes | hi all |
| 14:33.44 | gigabytes | how can I tell dpkg that a package is installed also if it is not? |
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| 14:33.48 | TiTAN_pi8 | Guerin, could it be that smbd is looking for a file (perhaps a config file) that is not there? |
| 14:33.49 | SimonRaven | the floppies have lspci... the cd based installer should too... |
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| 14:33.58 | gigabytes | where can I find information about this? |
| 14:34.09 | FieldySnuts | how to this??? |
| 14:34.14 | justin | gigabytes: why would you want to do that? |
| 14:34.15 | FallOnMe | moop: ... does CTRL-Z (maybe pressed twice) drop you into shell from the debconf-asking-questions-about-X thingy? |
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| 14:34.20 | antgel | !tell gigabytes about equivs |
| 14:34.33 | FieldySnuts | wenas how does i make my kanotix work loz |
| 14:34.38 | justin | um |
| 14:34.39 | Guerin | TiTAN_pi8: possibly. Strace would tell you if there's no -v switch |
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| 14:34.47 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: buenasssss. |
| 14:34.49 | TiTAN_pi8 | mmh |
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| 14:34.56 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: blaireau |
| 14:34.57 | gigabytes | justin, broken deps in sid (and yes, I know that if I don't want broken pkgs I should use testing!!!!!) |
| 14:34.59 | justin | if debconf is asking you to configure X, aren't you not even in the installer anymore? |
| 14:35.01 | SimonRaven | ricky_clarkson: holaaaaaaaa |
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| 14:35.09 | FallOnMe | blaireau? |
| 14:35.09 | antgel | gigabytes: no, you should use stable. |
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| 14:35.11 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak hi SimonRaven |
| 14:35.13 | dpkg | mouarf hi SimonRaven hehe |
| 14:35.20 | asg | FieldySnuts: hola Juan, donde esta la bibliotecha |
| 14:35.23 | FieldySnuts | ~blaireau FallOnMe |
| 14:35.26 | apt | FallOnMe: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 14:35.26 | Guerin | heh |
| 14:35.28 | Gnonthgol | I got problem installing Skolelinux (Debian-Edu) |
| 14:35.29 | ricky_clarkson | asg: en su madre. |
| 14:35.38 | FallOnMe | mein Gott |
| 14:35.39 | SimonRaven | whoah that fit on my screen |
| 14:35.45 | antgel | right, i'm raising a bug report. the consequences of using non-stable aren't clear enough on www.debian.org/releases. |
| 14:35.57 | SimonRaven | please, do |
| 14:35.59 | FieldySnuts | they're all gonna laugh at you! |
| 14:36.20 | Guerin | submit a patch to the html |
| 14:36.22 | Guerin | go on |
| 14:36.26 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 14:36.30 | antgel | :P |
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| 14:37.11 | SimonRaven | i think the virtual package is www or something. wnpp should have more info |
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| 14:37.41 | FallOnMe | antgel: well, it would be better if it said UNSTABLE'S GONNA WREAK HAVOC ON YOUR ARSE, DON'T USE IT in a 24 point font, I agree. |
| 14:37.47 | Guerin | www.debian.org |
| 14:37.50 | Gnonthgol | What does anybody make out of this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1688 |
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| 14:37.58 | ricky_clarkson | Gnonthgol: It's a URL. |
| 14:37.58 | FieldySnuts | that's not needed. common sense is the key. |
| 14:38.00 | antgel | gigabytes: do you not think that by using equivs to "fix" broken packages, you're not only opening the can of worms, but being devoured in a swimming pool full of killer, flesh-eating worms? |
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| 14:38.10 | TiTAN_pi8 | Guerin, I do not have Strace |
| 14:38.14 | JKnife | what pkgs do i need to build E17 from cvs? |
| 14:38.22 | Guerin | JKnife: you need Clue |
| 14:38.23 | SimonRaven | antgel: with mint jelly |
| 14:38.26 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 14:38.32 | wols | Gnonthgol: are yiz using ubuntu? |
| 14:38.32 | FieldySnuts | goofy people |
| 14:38.34 | Guerin | JKnife: but first, you need to read what people have told you |
| 14:38.36 | ricky_clarkson | JKnife: Is E17 a Debian package? |
| 14:38.38 | FieldySnuts | yinz? |
| 14:38.40 | asg | SimonRaven: I prefer mint sauce to mint jelly |
| 14:38.41 | SimonRaven | FieldySnuts: :) |
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| 14:38.43 | Guerin | !dr17 |
| 14:38.43 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 14:38.46 | gigabytes | antgel, yes I know |
| 14:38.48 | FieldySnuts | ~yinzrsmite abrotman |
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| 14:38.53 | FieldySnuts | gah |
| 14:38.54 | JKnife | guerin: ppl like you are the reason i had stoped using debian |
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| 14:39.06 | FieldySnuts | JKnife: troll. |
| 14:39.09 | Guerin | JKnife: ppl like u r teh reason I h8 teh intarwebz |
| 14:39.13 | Gnonthgol | wols: I use Ubintu right now because I cant install debian-edu |
| 14:39.15 | FieldySnuts | heh! |
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| 14:39.21 | antgel | JKnife: don't cut your nose off to spite your face |
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| 14:39.27 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say !qotd0 |
| 14:39.27 | ravenbird | !qotd0 |
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| 14:39.31 | sgeigerbot | What's the technical explanation for this: Disk space sometimes seems in use long after you move files from the partition. |
| 14:39.33 | JKnife | leet speak is the gayest shit and only idiots use it |
| 14:39.39 | SimonRaven | asg: heh |
| 14:39.39 | asg | Gnonthgol: have you consulted #debian-edu? |
| 14:39.39 | gigabytes | antgel, but I need a package installed immediatly, and i haven't time to spend in file bug reports. I will file a bug report this evening. |
| 14:39.41 | FieldySnuts | my bot-fu sucks today, i give up |
| 14:39.41 | antgel | !gay |
| 14:39.42 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 14:39.45 | JKnife | Guerin: it doesnt work |
| 14:39.50 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 14:39.51 | Guerin | JKnife: you were told the answer10 minutes ago; go to it. |
| 14:39.54 | SimonRaven | @tell JKnife -about gay |
| 14:39.54 | ricky_clarkson | JKnife: Ok, you've got a few answers, and you've focused on the one that you dislike most. Is that clever? |
| 14:39.56 | TiTAN_pi8 | mmh can anybody tell me how to fix this: I get 'sh: /usr/sbin/smbd: No such file or directory' but it IS there :s... |
| 14:40.02 | Guerin | JKnife: then fix it and change the factoid. |
| 14:40.08 | FieldySnuts | gayflooded. |
| 14:40.15 | asg | SimonRaven: good on mashed potatos |
| 14:40.20 | Guerin | JKnife: this is a community; welcome to your chance to be part of it. |
| 14:40.20 | wols | sgeigerbot: some other process had the file still open. it will be automatically deleted if the last process closes it |
| 14:40.30 | SimonRaven | asg: hmm. something to try someday |
| 14:40.36 | Gnonthgol | asg: that is a develepers chanel |
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| 14:40.45 | FieldySnuts | Grunthos the Flatulant. |
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| 14:41.02 | Guerin | Flatulent |
| 14:41.06 | FieldySnuts | same thing |
| 14:41.37 | asg | SimonRaven: just take leaves, dry them, crush them into little bits, add hot water, vinegar, and a little sugar. Let sit in fridge. |
| 14:41.37 | SimonRaven | no, developers. develepers get treatment |
| 14:41.38 | mops | I run stable and when I start rxvt with -iconic option in fluxbox and then logout from this rxvt then I get segfault |
| 14:41.38 | SimonRaven | asg: oh nice |
| 14:41.38 | mops | is this bug? |
| 14:41.38 | antgel | #cooking |
| 14:41.42 | asg | Guerin: ode to a small lump of green putty I found in my armpit one midsummer morn? |
| 14:41.43 | FieldySnuts | @dachs |
| 14:41.51 | Guerin | mops: if you know your hardware is good, could be |
| 14:41.53 | gimbal | anyone using sid has updated cron recently? My deb/sid cron now treating /bin/false as true, here -- with /bin/false && echo "Borked" as a cron command, still echoes "Borked", nto sure what's up with dat |
| 14:41.53 | FieldySnuts | k. i give up. |
| 14:42.05 | mops | Guerin: my hw is good |
| 14:42.15 | antgel | !tell gimbal about unstable |
| 14:42.17 | asg | Guerin: or did he write 'My Favourite Bathtime Gurgles.'? |
| 14:42.20 | mops | does anybody has the same segfault? |
| 14:42.20 | antgel | and lots of stuff etc |
| 14:42.30 | gimbal | antgel: geee that helps. thanks |
| 14:42.31 | SimonRaven | mops: *what* segfaults? |
| 14:42.37 | Guerin | !confuse asg |
| 14:42.37 | antgel | mops: what segfaults? |
| 14:42.37 | dpkg | No, what is your bacon today, asg? trousers of the republic of belarus with extra ham |
| 14:42.43 | mops | SimonRaven: with rxvt |
| 14:42.45 | Guerin | mmm, bacon |
| 14:42.46 | SimonRaven | mops: run memtest86 to make sure |
| 14:42.47 | asg | mmm, bacon |
| 14:42.48 | mops | in stable distro |
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| 14:42.51 | FieldySnuts | "what is your bacon" heh |
| 14:42.54 | mops | SImon: ok |
| 14:42.55 | antgel | gimbal: hope it helps you to help yourself :) |
| 14:42.55 | FallOnMe | gimbal: heh. what does "/bin/false; echo $?" say? |
| 14:42.56 | Gnonthgol | What does anybody make out of this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1688 |
| 14:43.01 | |_SpY_| | alguem ae jah rodou servidor de cs 1.6 no linux? |
| 14:43.09 | Guerin | yeah, asg ... what IS your bacon today? |
| 14:43.18 | FieldySnuts | i make that it's an ubuntu problem, and that you're in the wrong channel |
| 14:43.19 | gimbal | FallOnMe: checking |
| 14:43.27 | asg | Gnonthgol: that an eval in some script failed. |
| 14:43.28 | gimbal | antgel: y'know, if I could I wouldn't have asked here, but I get yer point |
| 14:43.50 | asg | Gnonthgol: mrs asg ate the bacon, I had to make due with a fudge brownie. |
| 14:43.55 | gimbal | s/{etc}/well, intending to; that's why I"m asking here/ |
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| 14:43.57 | Guerin | gutted |
| 14:43.58 | FallOnMe | antgel: "false" should not be broken ever. How could one break "main() {return 1;}"? |
| 14:44.08 | asg | s/Gnothgol/Guerin/ |
| 14:44.10 | FieldySnuts | man false is my favorite man page |
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| 14:44.15 | antgel | FallOnMe: great but don't tell me |
| 14:44.20 | antgel | i like man date |
| 14:44.22 | FieldySnuts | false - do nothing, unsuccessfully |
| 14:44.23 | Paranoid^ | ok når jeg skal lave den her... ~ |
| 14:44.23 | asg | FieldySnuts: man spanker |
| 14:44.28 | FieldySnuts | um. |
| 14:44.30 | gimbal | FallOnMe: /bin/false && echo "$?" echos 0 |
| 14:44.33 | FieldySnuts | no that's Phated!! |
| 14:44.38 | Paranoid^ | Wrong chan.. sorry... lol.. |
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| 14:44.56 | FallOnMe | gimbal: not that, /bin/false; echo $? |
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| 14:45.59 | FallOnMe | gimbal: ho-hum. What's your /bin/sh point to, was it upgraded recently? This would be a grave bug... |
| 14:46.08 | asg | FieldySnuts: ah right |
| 14:46.11 | Guerin | haha, && after false |
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| 14:46.12 | antgel | gimbal: paste the whole crontab line? |
| 14:46.13 | Guerin | classic |
| 14:46.15 | Levinator | re |
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| 14:46.28 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: spank Phated for being bad |
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| 14:47.01 | gimbal | FallOnMe: it's pointing to /bin/bash; I'm not sure when my local bash was last updated, but I ran through an apt-get upgrade shortly ago, presuming it was updated then |
| 14:47.08 | FallOnMe | Guerin: a classic mistake, or what? :-) Works as expected here. |
| 14:47.32 | gimbal | FallOnMe: same thing with the ; instead of && heh; it's /bin/false; echo "$?" echos 0, when it's run from Cron - not from the shell though |
| 14:47.36 | Guerin | FallOnMe: works as you and I exppect it, yeah ... |
| 14:47.43 | Levinator | can anybody help me? How can i detect and use a "new" plugged ethernet card? |
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| 14:47.59 | Guerin | i believe ; is a special character in crontab |
| 14:48.08 | FallOnMe | gimbal: file a bug on `dpkg -S /bin/false`, what can I say ;-)) |
| 14:48.34 | Guerin | i could be wrong there, but i believe for this reason it's better for you to put all your comands into a file and call it with sh file.sh |
| 14:48.39 | gimbal | FallOnMe: for what it's worth, I"m eyeing suspiciously this new dependency of cron upon libselinux1 |
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| 14:48.48 | FallOnMe | gimbal I can see it already: "coreutils: false is true" |
| 14:48.55 | gimbal | heh |
| 14:49.03 | Guerin | that, sir, is false! |
| 14:49.07 | Guerin | well, on the other hand |
| 14:49.09 | FallOnMe | gimbal: eh, does it work outside of cron? |
| 14:49.12 | antgel | gimbal: did this crontab work _before_ the upgrade |
| 14:49.14 | gimbal | FallOnMe: it's doing the same thing for ping and ifconfig commands, treating false as true |
| 14:49.17 | Guerin | the manpage does say it does nothing unsuccessfully |
| 14:49.22 | gimbal | antgel: yep |
| 14:49.23 | Guerin | so that must mean it does SOMETHING |
| 14:49.31 | gimbal | FallOnMe: yep, works fine in the xterm |
| 14:49.35 | Gnonthgol | What does anybody make out of this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1688 |
| 14:49.35 | antgel | Guerin: what say you? ^^^ |
| 14:49.37 | FallOnMe | darn |
| 14:49.43 | Guerin | WHAT YOU SAY? |
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| 14:50.02 | soldiar | does there exist a tool under linux like "winSCP" (under windows) which is like a file-explorer/ftp-tool for SFTP/SCP? |
| 14:50.16 | asg | Gnonthgol: we told you. You will need to provide more context otherwise we cannot begin to help you. |
| 14:50.17 | symoon | gftp |
| 14:50.25 | symoon | or nautilus / konqueror |
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| 14:50.51 | soldiar | symoon, nautilus/konqueror? thanx, i try it. |
| 14:50.51 | FallOnMe | symoon: gnome has ssh vfs too? |
| 14:50.59 | SimonRaven | yes |
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| 14:51.56 | gimbal | anyone else starts to phear the thought of being a deb maintainer, after a few reportbug runs? |
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| 14:52.16 | sgeigerbot | symoon: kbear is supposedly similar to gftp...maybe it has sftp support, too. |
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| 14:52.22 | symoon | FallOnMe: yep |
| 14:52.28 | Guerin | eew, kbear |
| 14:52.39 | FallOnMe | Gnonthgol: the messages are not in their right order, so there's no telling what command caused the errors. |
| 14:52.40 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: I've never used it. |
| 14:52.45 | Guerin | it's nasty |
| 14:52.46 | soldiar | symoon, thanx gFTP works fine :) |
| 14:52.51 | Guerin | !best ftp client |
| 14:52.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, best ftp client is lftp |
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| 14:52.58 | asg | kbear and xteddy should get together and make gcub |
| 14:53.11 | FallOnMe | lftp has not a GUI |
| 14:53.16 | sgeigerbot | And, by the way, the lftp client _also_ supports FISH via its own internal implementation. High recommendation. |
| 14:53.23 | SimonRaven | asg: *groan* |
| 14:53.34 | SimonRaven | @lftp++ |
| 14:53.38 | asg | SimonRaven: hey, it's Sunday after all |
| 14:53.39 | CyzarX | guys, i got this |
| 14:53.44 | CyzarX | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:53.45 | CyzarX | testing/unstable. |
| 14:53.51 | CyzarX | so is it testing or unstable ? |
| 14:53.52 | SimonRaven | don't remind me =) |
| 14:53.52 | Guerin | lftp needs not a gui |
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| 14:54.09 | antgel | CyzarX: it's whatever you installed. |
| 14:54.12 | Gnonthgol | asg: I tryed to install Spolelinux (debian-edb), I came to the part where it was looking for devices, it found my intel 100/1000 Pro network card, after that I got an error msg. refering to tty3 or /var/log/messages, here are that file: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1688 I did not get much longer. |
| 14:54.12 | FallOnMe | Guerin: but the fine user which asked the original q. does |
| 14:54.21 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: ewwww...even your nick has gui in it. |
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| 14:54.24 | Guerin | FallOnMe: which is why i didn't suggest it when he asked |
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| 14:54.33 | SimonRaven | CyzarX: grep '(testing|unstable)' /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:54.43 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: yours has grot in it |
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| 14:54.55 | sgeigerbot | !grot |
| 14:55.14 | asg | Gnonthgol: is this at boot or during the installer? |
| 14:55.26 | FieldySnuts | @lose sgeigerbot |
| 14:55.26 | ravenbird | sgeigerbot: You Lose. |
| 14:55.33 | Gnonthgol | asg: during installation |
| 14:55.47 | SimonRaven | another one bites the dust |
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| 14:56.13 | asg | Gnonthgol: well from the location of the error, it looks like an LVM issue. Does the same error occur on a regular Debian install? |
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| 14:57.04 | Gnonthgol | asg: I have installed Ubuntu wich is based on debian with the same installer but no error there |
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| 14:57.32 | asg | Gnonthgol: then you'll have to find out from the skolelinux or debian-edu people what they did to break the installer. |
| 14:57.41 | asg | !based on debian |
| 14:57.41 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 14:58.15 | FieldySnuts | poiss off kid |
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| 14:59.02 | Gnonthgol | asg: I cant contact anybody |
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| 14:59.22 | asg | Gnonthgol: do they have a mailing list? have you asked there? |
| 14:59.29 | asg | Gnonthgol: have you googled for the exact error? |
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| 15:00.09 | Gnonthgol | asg: I googled but with no resault |
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| 15:00.28 | asg | Gnonthgol: then search the mailing list archives or pose a question of your own. |
| 15:00.38 | antgel | Gnonthgol: not solving your problem, but if their support is so bad, move on |
| 15:00.38 | Gnonthgol | ok |
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| 15:01.24 | moop | noob q: how do I get back to the setup screen from the command line? I used ctrl-F3 to get a login prompt to run the "lspci |grep VGA" command, and now even a logout doesn't get me back |
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| 15:01.41 | FallOnMe | moop: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 15:01.42 | antgel | moop: alt-f1? |
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| 15:02.30 | thingfish | !ops nasibe PM spam |
| 15:02.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: nasibe PM spam |
| 15:02.39 | thingfish | too late |
| 15:02.40 | FallOnMe | moop: and you don't need the ctrl-z thing if you have another comand line on alt-f3 |
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| 15:03.11 | FieldySnuts | we know about all the spam. /topic |
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| 15:03.25 | thingfish | yeah, I know too, oh so helpful one. |
| 15:03.31 | moop | another noob q - rhetorical, though: why does debian just throw people in the fire during setup... I doubt everyone would have the knowledge of good resources like this one |
| 15:03.31 | FieldySnuts | lick a dead fish. |
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| 15:03.43 | thingfish | I wish you were still silenced. |
| 15:03.49 | FieldySnuts | ;( |
| 15:03.49 | antgel | moop: did you read the install guide? |
| 15:04.00 | beardy | moop: By default, on (Ctrl-)Alt-F1 to F6 you have virtual terminals, on Alt-F7 you have X. |
| 15:04.01 | FieldySnuts | impliment your own: /ignore FieldySnuts*!*@* all |
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| 15:04.12 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: did I spell impliment right? |
| 15:04.17 | thingfish | no |
| 15:04.21 | FallOnMe | implement |
| 15:04.31 | moop | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:04.46 | MikaEL` | hello, what image viewer should I use to open huge jpeg files (~200 MB JPEG satellite capture) |
| 15:04.46 | jethro | would you mind just /ignore'ing each other and quit acting childishly? |
| 15:05.02 | FieldySnuts | no problem here :) |
| 15:05.06 | jethro | thank you FieldySnuts :) |
| 15:05.06 | antgel | moop: what, specifically do you think the install guide doesn't explain well? it's the best i've seen. |
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| 15:05.17 | FieldySnuts | doh i spelt it wrong heh |
| 15:05.23 | antgel | MikaEL`: imagemagick? |
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| 15:05.30 | beardy | !tell moop about reference |
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| 15:05.49 | mops | how it is possible that my aterm doesn't reac to command line options? |
| 15:05.51 | antgel | beardy: i _think_ he's just talking about during setup / install |
| 15:05.57 | justin | MikaEL`: do you have a gig of ram or so? |
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| 15:06.03 | mops | I issue on command line, to turn off scrollbar |
| 15:06.07 | moop | it didn't explain what is an "x server driver," and didn't say why, or how to know which one to use |
| 15:06.09 | beardy | antgel: Yeah, but he will need it sooner or later. |
| 15:06.10 | mops | and nothing changes... |
| 15:06.19 | antgel | beardy: you knows it |
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| 15:06.29 | MikaEL` | justin: 512 MB ... I tried with GIMP but it takes too long |
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| 15:06.59 | FallOnMe | moop: do you know what card you have? did "lspci" or "cat /proc/pci" on alt-f3 show something? |
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| 15:07.31 | gimbal | FallOnMe: thanks for the help, on narrowing it down to the "$?" value (/bin/false returning "0" in cron). I've filed a bug report about it, will see whatever happens |
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| 15:08.06 | moop | I got the video card from the command line, yeah using lspci. it's an ati rage mobility |
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| 15:08.16 | FallOnMe | moop: "ati" driver. |
| 15:08.23 | beardy | moop: To address every thing that you need to know would make a very large document, and probably unmaintainable, since what each more or less new user knows different things. Just ask here, and search the web, look at the installation manual and the reference, if you need help. |
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| 15:08.57 | moop | alrighty, you've been helpful :) and ty again fallonme |
| 15:09.03 | FallOnMe | beardy: oh come on, a graphic driver should probably be mentioned in the bloody installation manual. |
| 15:09.08 | Oryn | are there any ircops about? there's a spambot on 86.104.125.88 |
| 15:09.19 | jethro | Oryn: /topic |
| 15:09.20 | asg | Oryn: /topic |
| 15:09.22 | SimonRaven | @topicsmite Oryn |
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| 15:09.35 | beardy | FallOnMe: Not everyone cares at all about X. But yes, I agree, a mention would be good. |
| 15:09.41 | jethro | there's been spambots for days now, just /mode <yournick> +E after you register it |
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| 15:10.01 | SimonRaven | the irc ops are on it... |
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| 15:10.19 | gimbal | mmm bounty hunting spambot machine owners could be fun |
| 15:10.22 | FallOnMe | beardy: bear in mind whom the manuals are written for. The ones who don't know what to do. |
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| 15:10.44 | moop | I just think that during installation, having the help files available only to people who are already online to view them, instead of still being in the setup screen, would be ...somehow more practical :D |
| 15:11.00 | beardy | FallOnMe: I think the authors would greatly appreciate the help, so get to fixing it :) (that goes for me too I know) |
| 15:11.09 | justin | moop: you were already online |
| 15:11.11 | SimonRaven | usually they're innocent (but computer illiterate) winbloze boxen owners. what you want is the bot net owners |
| 15:11.13 | FallOnMe | beardy: I'm gonna shut up now because I'm not willing to mail a patch. ;-) |
| 15:11.17 | moop | on a windows box yeah |
| 15:11.22 | gnetux | anybody knows how to confiure lp port? |
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| 15:11.30 | moop | you think everyone is going to know how to use lynx to find the debian page, though? |
| 15:11.34 | justin | moop: uh no, the linux system is already online at that point |
| 15:11.42 | justin | moop: that's their problem |
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| 15:12.07 | beardy | moop: It isn't that hard to figure out really. |
| 15:12.09 | moop | yeah, everyone should just know lynx.. ;) |
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| 15:12.20 | justin | moop: there are other browsers than lynx |
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| 15:12.32 | SimonRaven | w3m |
| 15:12.39 | gimbal | eh, my lynx & google do not get along; is there a config fix for this? |
| 15:12.39 | Oryn | wget |
| 15:12.44 | beardy | links, links2, elinks |
| 15:12.47 | moop | and how to get to them from just the command prompt, during setup? sorry if it seems obvious to you |
| 15:12.48 | SimonRaven | links, links2, emacs', etc. |
| 15:12.58 | FallOnMe | that one's even worse. links or elinks are nice. Mouse support and stuff. |
| 15:13.10 | justin | moop: not everything is obvious, that is what documentation is for |
| 15:13.35 | SimonRaven | it isn't like lynx has some sane newbie defaults.... |
| 15:13.41 | SimonRaven | doesn't have sane* |
| 15:14.27 | beardy | moop: Just trying to take it easy and take one thing at a time, and learning by doing will get you far. (all the way most of the times) |
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| 15:15.02 | beardy | moop: That implies looking up things and reading documentation of course. |
| 15:15.02 | justin | moop: be glad that you're not on windows which will dump you into a 16 color 640x480 screen with no explanation and no lspci command to help you figure out what driver to download |
| 15:15.25 | moop | yes, sorry if I sound like I'm playing devil's advocate, but would you really expect someone to read the man pages to view text-browser documents of how to use the setup? Seems... a bit demanding to ask of the less technically minded, or those who don't have 25 hours a day |
| 15:15.47 | moop | justin - I've been there :D |
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| 15:15.55 | gnetux | my cups don't recognize lp port,help |
| 15:15.56 | beardy | moop: Then perhaps they should let soeone else install for them, if they donät want to learn. |
| 15:16.12 | asg | gnetux: /msg dpkg install cups |
| 15:16.20 | FallOnMe | moop: that's why Linux is currently not recommended for the average user. It's not exactly friendly. |
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| 15:16.34 | moop | yes beardy, but the curve is a bit steep... an easy complaint to remedy with a quick "Press F2 for help" |
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| 15:16.37 | moop | or something like that |
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| 15:16.51 | FieldySnuts | i could care less if it's friendly or not, keeps the wankers out |
| 15:17.02 | Fracture | Hi... Does debian have a package for Xen ? |
| 15:17.06 | beardy | moop: Well, you have at leat up to F7 in the installer, before you boot.. |
| 15:17.11 | moop | fieldy, and you wonder why more people don't use linux? you want everyone in a windows world? |
| 15:17.11 | jethro | Fracture: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:17.12 | FieldySnuts | I am elitist snob and proud of it. go back to windows. |
| 15:17.18 | asg | !info xen |
| 15:17.19 | FieldySnuts | moop: i don't really care |
| 15:17.25 | dpkg | xen: (a Virtual Machine Monitor like VMWare or plex86.), section misc, is extra. Version: 2.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 449 kB, Installed size: 1500 kB |
| 15:17.30 | FallOnMe | moop: Of course, there are distros which have a nicer installer which tries, and sometimes succeeds, to figure out your hardware so you don't have to take a look yourself. |
| 15:17.35 | Fracture | !info evms |
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| 15:17.37 | dpkg | evms: (Enterprise Volume Management System (core)), section admin, is extra. Version: 2.5.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 62 kB, Installed size: 212 kB |
| 15:17.55 | FallOnMe | moop: But you had to install Debian, didn't ya? ;-) |
| 15:18.01 | FieldySnuts | this isn't a popularity contest. this isn't about who made the football team. this isn't "ooo, I have $number installs", this is not marketing |
| 15:18.05 | FieldySnuts | thank god |
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| 15:18.36 | asg | moop: it's simple. We don't run Unix because we hate Windows, we run Unix because we love Unix. |
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| 15:18.43 | FieldySnuts | wow. well put |
| 15:18.46 | beardy | moop: If you are willing to learn a few things at a time, debian will get you the farthest. |
| 15:18.51 | jethro | !win asg |
| 15:18.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, asg! You have won a one way ticket to Soviet Russia! |
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| 15:18.57 | moop | well, just pointing out what I think is an inconsistency - the linux people want it to succeed (some people just want to USE it, that's fair too), but without remedying basics, mom & pop types will never make the switch |
| 15:19.04 | beardy | !beer asg |
| 15:19.13 | asg | ooooo, Piraat |
| 15:19.16 | FieldySnuts | moop: you're missing the point, we don't care if mom and pop types make the switch. |
| 15:19.19 | FallOnMe | asg: I run unix because I'm used to, but I don't pretend that user-friendliness is not important. |
| 15:19.23 | FieldySnuts | we're not trying to sell a damned product |
| 15:19.33 | FallOnMe | FieldySnuts: so what? |
| 15:19.34 | FieldySnuts | if you like it, use it. if you don't, don't. |
| 15:19.36 | moop | fieldy, as I said, some people just want to USE it. there are others who want to see it succeed. |
| 15:19.41 | FieldySnuts | FallOnMe: tell moop not me |
| 15:19.42 | asg | FallOnMe: it's perfectly user friendly provided you don't have any preconceived notions about what a computer is or how it works. |
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| 15:19.54 | beardy | moop: Then make it your task to write better documentation and help docs, when you feel you can. |
| 15:19.58 | asg | FallOnMe: if computer == Windows pointy clicky stuff, then Unix will never be user friendly. |
| 15:20.12 | FallOnMe | FieldySnuts: that's not an excuse to, for example, not try to autodetect and configure the hardware. |
| 15:20.19 | moop | asg - if you have the documentation, at least enough to lead you to the HELP screens, on hand |
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| 15:20.27 | FieldySnuts | more user friendly generally means more hand holding and other irritating shit. I am and advanced computer user, I like it the way it is, thank you |
| 15:20.33 | moop | if you don't even know how to get to the HELP screens, how are people to help themselves? |
| 15:20.39 | antgel | moop: debian may not be the best choice for parents |
| 15:20.43 | FieldySnuts | FallOnMe: nah that's fine with me, as long as I can disable it if I want to |
| 15:20.48 | antgel | moop: by reading the documentation |
| 15:20.54 | FallOnMe | FieldySnuts: I am too, but I acknowledge I'm in minority. |
| 15:20.55 | moop | yes, but distros don't say "parent friendly" :D |
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| 15:20.58 | FieldySnuts | moop: this whole argment has been gone over so many times, i'm exiting. have fun. |
| 15:20.59 | asg | moop: I do, as I always have, print and read the documentation before I do anything (this goes for VCRs, Operating Systems, Digital Watches, etc.) |
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| 15:21.12 | moop | good riddance, fieldy ;) |
| 15:21.14 | antgel | asg: toasters? |
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| 15:21.24 | FieldySnuts | remember rule six: don't take yourself so god damned serious. |
| 15:21.26 | asg | antgel: only the ones running NetBSD |
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| 15:21.44 | Fracture | !info kernel-patch-evms |
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| 15:21.48 | dpkg | kernel-patch-evms: (Enterprise Volume Management System (kernel patches)), section admin, is extra. Version: 2.5.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 44 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 15:21.50 | FallOnMe | moop: you might be better off with SuSe (or even Knoppix for the initial install). |
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| 15:21.51 | __fer__ | hello |
| 15:21.55 | beardy | moop: By reading documentation, having the install manual beside you, printed if you only have one computer/screen near you. By asking good questions, as you have done, and learning by/while doing, as I said before. |
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| 15:22.02 | asg | moop: also, the Installation Guide should be available on the install CD anyway. |
| 15:22.22 | deepan | i did chown <user> <file> as root.. and it says root does not have permissions to do.. |
| 15:22.27 | antgel | moop: no, but windows isn't labelled parent-friendly. there's a lot of information out there on the pros and cons of different distros |
| 15:22.29 | Fracture | does anyone maintain a pre-patched debian kernel with evms support ? |
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| 15:22.36 | bMan^Shop|bMan | how do i install windows media player codec on my debian ?? |
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| 15:22.36 | asg | deepan: lsattr <file> |
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| 15:22.41 | antgel | !anyonr |
| 15:22.42 | antgel | !anyone |
| 15:22.43 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 15:22.59 | Dreamer3 | can i tell apt to download a specific version of a library even if it's no longe rthe latest if it is still on the ftp servers? |
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| 15:23.23 | FieldySnuts | here we go again |
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| 15:23.30 | gnetux | asg:client-error-not-possible , when i print test page |
| 15:23.32 | dimir | Dreamer3: yes |
| 15:23.32 | antgel | Dreamer3: why? |
| 15:23.33 | FallOnMe | Dreamer3: apt-get install foo=version (if it's in your sources.list) |
| 15:23.37 | bMan^Shop|bMan | how do i install windows media player codec on my debian ?? |
| 15:23.45 | moop | I already have other distros... I'm just offering a perspective from someone really noobish, but who wants others in my position who wouldn't know enough to come to #debian or know how to get the commandline, to have access to it |
| 15:23.48 | bMan^Shop|bMan | mKuieSes << is a spambot!!! |
| 15:23.51 | FieldySnuts | bother microsoft, it's their closed proprietary shit |
| 15:23.55 | beardy | bMan^Shop|bMan: You never do. |
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| 15:24.10 | asg | gnetux: then check linuxprinting.org for info on your specific printer. |
| 15:24.12 | antgel | moop: but maybe debian isn't for those people? imo, you get out what you put in. |
| 15:24.16 | deepan | asg .. lsattr:Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on sanky_p.pl |
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| 15:24.26 | beardy | bMan^Shop|bMan: If you mean codecs in general, mplayer perhaps? |
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| 15:24.31 | antgel | beardy: do you ride a recumbent bicycle? |
| 15:24.32 | beardy | !marillat |
| 15:24.32 | dpkg | marillat is, like, an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 15:24.38 | bMan | trying |
| 15:24.40 | asg | deepan: hmmm, you might want to fsck that filesystem. |
| 15:24.40 | moop | I'm putting in right now, and I've gotten out good help. I just have to thank you all for that. |
| 15:24.43 | beardy | antgel: What is that?.. |
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| 15:24.46 | FallOnMe | moop: Oh. Then it's "Debian has a steep learning curve, sorry". ;-) |
| 15:24.49 | {^RjArL^} | hi all |
| 15:24.59 | {^RjArL^} | need help configuring usb wifi card |
| 15:25.05 | moop | Well... speed bumps, FallOnMe ^_^ |
| 15:25.05 | {^RjArL^} | on kernel 2.4 |
| 15:25.06 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: ah, but if it's not in sources no way to get it but manual retrieval? |
| 15:25.12 | FieldySnuts | get a less annoying nick first, please {^RjArL^} |
| 15:25.14 | {^RjArL^} | i'm newbiee |
| 15:25.14 | antgel | beardy: fgi. :) people who ride them tend to have beards |
| 15:25.21 | lunitik | bMan: what beardy said.. you want 'w32codecs'... not necissarily mplayer |
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| 15:25.27 | RjArL | ok |
| 15:25.29 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 15:25.38 | jwl | I'm looking for help configuring my mail to send mail through my isp. |
| 15:25.45 | bMan | lunitik my debian cant find anything :s |
| 15:25.51 | antgel | !tell jwl about ask |
| 15:25.52 | FallOnMe | Dreamer3: yup. You might also take a look at snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:25.54 | asg | jwl: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config (choose the smarthost option) |
| 15:25.58 | RjArL | I have a usb atmel |
| 15:26.10 | lunitik | bMan: huh? you need to add the marillat repository, then install it... |
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| 15:26.24 | bMan | hello im new to debian :D |
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| 15:26.31 | RjArL | I downloaded the atmelwlanusb at http://atmelwlandriver.sourceforge.net/downloads.html |
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| 15:26.47 | RjArL | but what I need to do to install it? |
| 15:26.55 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: no way, this is kinda cool |
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| 15:27.12 | beardy | RjArL: Read the docs that comes with it. |
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| 15:27.17 | antgel | RjArL: and, pray tell us, why didn't you install the debian package? |
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| 15:27.40 | RjArL | debian package? |
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| 15:27.55 | RjArL | what is that package? |
| 15:28.11 | antgel | RjArL: do you know how to search for debian packages? |
| 15:28.25 | RjArL | yes, apt-cache search |
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| 15:28.37 | RjArL | but no package named atmelwlan |
| 15:28.38 | RjArL | ... |
| 15:28.44 | antgel | RjArL: and what did apt-cache search atmel give you? |
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| 15:28.59 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: this is only the unstable repo, right?" |
| 15:29.02 | FallOnMe | Dreamer3: oh, if the wanted version is still in the pool, it might be in stable or testing, so you could add that to sources.list and retry with apt-get. If you have multiple stuff from multiple release (or multiple 3rd party repositories) in sources.list, apt-cache policy <package> will show what versions are available |
| 15:29.09 | Tecky- | my dog has his face squished in the corner under my desk ... between 2 plastic bins and up against the wall. |
| 15:29.10 | RjArL | ap-utils - Access Point SNMP Utils for Linux |
| 15:29.11 | RjArL | ava - Algebraical Virtual Assembler for Atmel's AVR MCUs |
| 15:29.11 | RjArL | avr-libc - Standard C library for Atmel AVR development |
| 15:29.11 | RjArL | avra - Assembler for Atmel AVR microcontrollers |
| 15:29.11 | RjArL | avrp - Programmer for Atmel AVR microcontrollers |
| 15:29.11 | RjArL | avrprog - Programmer for Atmel AVR microcontrollers |
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| 15:29.20 | antgel | oh dear |
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| 15:29.23 | FieldySnuts | sigh |
| 15:29.24 | antgel | what a fucking tool |
| 15:29.27 | RjArL | sorry |
| 15:29.38 | MrKeuner | hi, I am trying to compile the nivida modules for 2.6.12 using nvidia-source package. In the header directory which is /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-k7 I run make-kpkg --append-to-version -1-k7 modules_image. (It looks like the kernel header directory is not kernel-headers-2.6.12-1-k7 anymore.) However I am getting the error: /usr/bin/make EXTRAVERSION=-1-k7 \ ARCH=i386 oldconfig make[1]: Entering directory `/usr |
| 15:29.38 | MrKeuner | /src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-k7' scripts/Makefile.build:13: scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory make[2]: *** No rule to make target `scripts/basic/Makefile'. Stop. make[1]: *** [scripts_basic] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-k7' make: *** [stamp-kernel-configure] Error 2 |
| 15:29.45 | antgel | !topicsmite RjArL |
| 15:29.46 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon RjArL. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 15:30.16 | justin | MrKeuner: use module-assistant ? |
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| 15:30.47 | MrKeuner | justin/ no I am trying manually. It worked until this kernel |
| 15:31.00 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: doesn't adding the single specific package line pull in a list of all available packages? |
| 15:31.01 | moshii | I'm trying to get debootstrap running inside a very small busybox system .. I get an error 239: printf: not found, any ideas? |
| 15:31.01 | epikak | Anyone know how to get NTFS write support working? |
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| 15:31.28 | lunitik | justin: wow... didn't know about that... will make assisting moro^Cnew users easier :) |
| 15:31.29 | FallOnMe | Dreamer3: yes, remove them afterwards. |
| 15:31.35 | antgel | !tell epikak about ntfs write |
| 15:31.51 | antgel | shit |
| 15:31.59 | FallOnMe | Dreamer3: um, and there's no "single package line" that I know of. |
| 15:32.10 | antgel | epikak: what have you done to try and get it working? |
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| 15:32.25 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: i'm trying it |
| 15:32.27 | epikak | antgel, i looked around and saw captive -- but people siad it is broken and slow |
| 15:32.45 | stew | epikak: there is currently no good way to do writes to ntfs |
| 15:32.46 | deepan | There are differences between boot sector and its backup. Differences: (offset:original/backup) 65:01/00 1) Copy original to backup 2) Copy backup to original 3) No action |
| 15:33.01 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: sweet |
| 15:33.02 | deepan | fsck has give the above ouput |
| 15:33.12 | deepan | what should i do |
| 15:33.13 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool glib2.0 |
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| 15:33.22 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: pulls in ALL versions of glib2.0 :-) |
| 15:33.27 | epikak | antgel, i would also use samba mounted NTFS drive, but I need to write a file bigger than 2 GB! |
| 15:33.40 | kikinovak | Hi. I just downloaded a program called ppp-rc, which allows me to remotely launch/cut a ppp connection on my LAN (no DSL around here:o/). To install it, I have to copy .htaccess and ppp-rc.cgi into a cgi-bin directory. Question: how do I browse to that? Since my Apache root is /var/www/htdocs, and the cgi-bin directory is /var/www/cgi-bin... |
| 15:33.51 | antgel | epikak: is this across a network? |
| 15:33.59 | epikak | why does SAMBA not allow files bigger than 2 GB even though NTFS supports larger/ |
| 15:34.07 | justin | kikinovak: read the apache config to learn where the cgi-bin directory is |
| 15:34.08 | epikak | i tried, but SAMBA doesnt let me |
| 15:34.12 | stew | epikak: ask #samba |
| 15:34.16 | SimonRaven | kikinovak: uh, ssh? webdav? |
| 15:34.24 | FallOnMe | Dreamer3: Disgusting, isn't it. You can now go and break your system. ;-) |
| 15:34.27 | epikak | antgel, but now i want to write deirectly if that wont work |
| 15:34.38 | moshii | epikak: 2gb is a 32bit thing isn't it? |
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| 15:34.56 | antgel | epikak: if it's across a network, just install cygwin on the windows machine and scp it |
| 15:34.56 | beardy | kikinovak: ssh to the machine and fire up ppp and take it down when you are done again, instead. |
| 15:34.57 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: well, i'm trying to match packages to an older install of debian (DSL, bootable CD) to build packages for it... upgrading everything on the CD isn't an option |
| 15:34.58 | epikak | moshii, well that would assure the limit -- but why? |
| 15:35.06 | SimonRaven | large file support.... |
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| 15:35.16 | epikak | antgel, no i need to create the file on the fly |
| 15:35.19 | RjArL | ok guys |
| 15:35.20 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: doesn't help that they remove the dpkg database to save space :) |
| 15:35.21 | moshii | epikak: 2gb is the limit with a few ftpd's too .. |
| 15:35.23 | RjArL | sorry about |
| 15:35.26 | antgel | epikak: or even download pscp |
| 15:35.27 | RjArL | pasted: http://channels.debian.net/paste/590 |
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| 15:35.28 | epikak | antgel, dont have enough space fro my 40 GB file here on ths lappy! |
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| 15:35.35 | stew | Dreamer3: wrong channel, you should be in #damnsmalllinux |
| 15:35.38 | ding | hey, what keyboard model should I choose in xorgconf if I have a multimedia keyboard (108 keys) and there isnt mine model? |
| 15:35.43 | FallOnMe | Dreamer3: I think you can also get a point-in-time or the whole archive with snapshot.debian.net. |
| 15:35.45 | kikinovak | beardy I wouldn't mind to do that, but the fact is, there are several strictly profane users around here who would. |
| 15:35.47 | RjArL | abot installing usb atmel wifi |
| 15:35.51 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: yes, you can :) |
| 15:36.01 | Dreamer3 | stew: i just joined, thanks :-) |
| 15:36.07 | FallOnMe | s/or/of/ |
| 15:36.17 | antgel | epikak: i don't know what you mean. |
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| 15:36.25 | beardy | kikinovak: But having it as a cgi-bin sounds like a bad idea.. Have a look at dial on demand? |
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| 15:36.40 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: but that might not help if the source was originally testing not unstable, since i don't think they always following just a time lag, or do they? |
| 15:36.43 | epikak | antgel, i am creating a tar.bz2 backup file of my laptop home directory |
| 15:36.50 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: ie, is testing ALWAYS = unstable - 10 days? |
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| 15:36.56 | kikinovak | beardy I tried _everything_, really. diald, masqdialer, dwun, connect, you name it. |
| 15:36.58 | FallOnMe | Dreamer3: no. |
| 15:36.59 | epikak | i want to store it on my gf's NTFS formatted external drive |
| 15:37.00 | RjArL | antgel: the result of apt-cache search atmel is :http://channels.debian.net/paste/590 |
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| 15:37.20 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: i didn't think so :) |
| 15:37.28 | beardy | kikinovak: Anyway, you browse to it by making a link to it on a browsable page I guess. |
| 15:37.29 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: but this should get be really close, thanks a ton ;) |
| 15:37.32 | |_SpY_| | somebody know how i create a counter-strike server with no steam? somebody can help me? |
| 15:37.33 | antgel | epikak: why not investigate other backup solutions? |
| 15:37.35 | FallOnMe | Dreamer3: depends on each package. I remember once it was unstable - 14 by default. |
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| 15:37.49 | antgel | RjArL: what distro are you running? |
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| 15:37.56 | kikinovak | beardy anyway. When I open http://localhost, I see the index file contained in /var/www/htdocs. Right? |
| 15:37.58 | epikak | antgel, any ideas? |
| 15:38.00 | RjArL | 3.1 sarge |
| 15:38.00 | knopX | how do i install a .deb package |
| 15:38.01 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: ok... so it takes packages x days to go over, but because of depends and stuff that can not always be 14 days? |
| 15:38.10 | |_SpY_| | ;j linux |
| 15:38.10 | RjArL | lased stable version |
| 15:38.12 | epikak | knopX, dpkg -i <deb file> |
| 15:38.14 | antgel | RjArL: i think the atmel stuff is in non-free |
| 15:38.14 | |_SpY_| | ops sorry |
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| 15:38.37 | beardy | kikinovak: Perhaps, compare what you see in the browser with what is located in that directory. |
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| 15:38.41 | RjArL | antgel: this means i'll have to complie it manually? |
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| 15:38.51 | knopX | dpkg filename.deb but do i need any switches?? like dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 15:38.56 | antgel | RjArL: no. have you read the debian reference manual? |
| 15:39.03 | FallOnMe | kikinovak: heh, we had a cgi wrapper to pon/poff at my last residence. It worked out better than dial-on-demand. |
| 15:39.15 | RjArL | [antgel] not all the manual |
| 15:39.15 | kikinovak | beardy I did, and this is it. Now question: how do I access (in my browser) a file that's in /var/www/cgi-bin/ ? |
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| 15:39.24 | RjArL | [antgel] witch part? |
| 15:39.26 | antgel | RjArL: why not? |
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| 15:39.32 | epikak | knopX, i told you -i |
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| 15:39.40 | antgel | !tell RjArL about non-free |
| 15:39.47 | kikinovak | FallOnMe I know... I'm just trying to install one. |
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| 15:40.41 | justin | kikinovak: read the apache config to learn where the cgi-bin directory is |
| 15:40.43 | RjArL | ok antgel |
| 15:40.48 | RjArL | now I know |
| 15:40.57 | RjArL | but what can i do? |
| 15:41.05 | antgel | RjArL: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages. you need to add contrib and non-free to sources.list and apt-get update. |
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| 15:41.14 | kikinovak | justin and where is the apache config? |
| 15:41.19 | justin | kikinovak: in /etc/ |
| 15:41.25 | RjArL | thanks antgel |
| 15:41.26 | FallOnMe | Dreamer3: yup. And when there's a freeze going on it all stops. |
| 15:41.34 | epikak | Anyone know how I can create a named pipe to shovel an in-progress tar.bz2 file creation through SCP? |
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| 15:41.43 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: cool :) |
| 15:41.45 | Dreamer3 | FallOnMe: thanks much |
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| 15:41.50 | kikinovak | justin httpd.conf? |
| 15:41.53 | FallOnMe | kikinovak: /etc/apache/httpd.conf or /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 15:41.55 | beardy | epikak: mkfifo ? |
| 15:41.56 | justin | epikak: pipe tar to ssh |
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| 15:42.23 | beardy | epikak: what justin said |
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| 15:42.42 | stew | epikak: have you considered using rsync to do backups instead? |
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| 15:42.51 | FallOnMe | kikinovak: depending on what apache package you have installed. |
| 15:42.52 | TiTAN_pi8 | i think I have found a corrupt .deb package |
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| 15:43.12 | epikak | stew, this is going onto an NTFS external drive |
| 15:43.20 | epikak | this is a one shot deal |
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| 15:43.23 | TiTAN_pi8 | samba for mipsel doens't work: ldd returns all libraries at 0x00000000 |
| 15:43.26 | SimonRaven | /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, httpd.conf is the "local" one |
| 15:43.30 | beardy | TiTAN_pi8: Which one, where did you get it? If you really are sure, file a bug. |
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| 15:43.40 | salahuddin | i need a help in building a custom kernel the make menuconfig says that "../kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration scripts/kconfig/lkc.h:63: error: previous declaration of 'current_menu' was heremake[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/mconf.o][menuconfig] Error 2" any hint ! |
| 15:43.44 | FallOnMe | epikak: do you want one copy to go to ssh, or only dump to ssh? |
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| 15:44.17 | antgel | salahuddin: what command are you typing? what distro? where did you get the source? |
| 15:44.34 | epikak | FallOnMe, i want to store the file on the external NTFS drive, but I can do that by scp from my linux laptop to the windows machine with openssh/win and the drive hooked up |
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| 15:44.51 | salahuddin | antgel: debian testing apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 cd /usr/src/ and then unziped |
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| 15:44.54 | jwl | Running exim4 can't figure out how to do authentication with my ISP. The only references to authentication in any of the doc/faqs that I can find are for "clients" of these apps, not when I want to relay to an isp that requires authentication. |
| 15:44.54 | TiTAN_pi8 | beardy, I am not sure but I got it from packages.debian.org and it's both version 3.0.14a-3 and 3.0.14a-6 |
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| 15:45.12 | antgel | salahuddin: and how are you making it? |
| 15:45.19 | FallOnMe | epikak: tar cfpl - directory | ssh User@windows-machine tar xfvpl - |
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| 15:45.33 | beardy | TiTAN_pi8: Of what? |
| 15:45.55 | salahuddin | antgel: cd /usr/src/linux then make menuconfig |
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| 15:46.10 | beardy | TiTAN_pi8: If you download packages (why do you do that?) in a browser, the browser can break them. |
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| 15:46.21 | antgel | salahuddin: don't make the usr/src/linux symlink. |
| 15:46.28 | FallOnMe | epikak: the permissions might get slightly broken on the windows side, and you better not have a directory called "lpt", "nul", or such. |
| 15:46.42 | antgel | salahuddin: have you made kernels on this box before? |
| 15:47.01 | salahuddin | antgel: is there any easy way, ya i have ln -s kernel-source-2.6.8 linux |
| 15:47.05 | epikak | FallOnMe, actually, i want the tar.bz2 file to be on there ,not the files |
| 15:47.06 | FallOnMe | epikak: oh, and Cygwin SSHD is slow. |
| 15:47.06 | antgel | !btssmite salahuddin |
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| 15:47.25 | antgel | salahuddin: where in the debian docs did it tell you to make that link? |
| 15:47.27 | salahuddin | antgel: no (i have build custom kernel in slackware) |
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| 15:47.43 | epikak | so if i do --> tar jxvf - /home | scp - user@winxp:/ |
| 15:47.48 | salahuddin | antgel: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=206992 |
| 15:47.48 | stew | salahuddin: the README in the kernel sources tells you specifically not to make that link |
| 15:47.49 | epikak | that should work? |
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| 15:47.57 | FallOnMe | epikak: for a one shot, I'd do that with tar | nc . |
| 15:47.59 | salahuddin | stew: ok |
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| 15:48.10 | antgel | salahuddin: fuck that, why didn't you check the bts? |
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| 15:48.17 | TiTAN_pi8 | beardy, oh, I did it in firefox, and I did it twice. but the .deb extracts fine, it's the binaries that are in it that don't work. I do it like this because I want to download it with an i386 and then copy the executables to a mipsel router |
| 15:48.23 | antgel | !bugs 323059 |
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| 15:48.28 | dpkg | #323059:N[kernel-source-2.6.8] kernel-source-2.6.8 fails at make menuconfig command Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:33:04 UTC.</div><h3>Tags: patch, pending |
| 15:48.32 | salahuddin | antgel: ok thanx for help |
| 15:48.46 | FallOnMe | epikak: windows side: nc -l -p 4242 > file.tar.bz2; linux side tar cfvj - [files...] | nc -w1 windows 4242 |
| 15:49.11 | FallOnMe | epikak: If you're not worried about someone sniffing your data over the network |
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| 15:49.41 | epikak | FallOnMe, awesome idea dude, dint even think of netcat |
| 15:49.57 | epikak | thanks man |
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| 15:50.08 | FallOnMe | epikak: np, I use that all the time. |
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| 15:51.24 | RjArL | antgel: sources.list located, where can I find the servers to put in? |
| 15:51.36 | beardy | cryptcat ? |
| 15:51.53 | antgel | RjArL: same servers. after main put contrib non-free. you could have googled. |
| 15:52.12 | epikak | FallOnMe, just one last question, i never used cygwin sshd anyways -- but you say its slow, what about OpenSSH for windows? i never tried it for large fiels |
| 15:52.28 | epikak | i use openssh for win all the time |
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| 15:52.34 | RjArL | [antgel] i search google but seem not have the right questions.... |
| 15:52.36 | RjArL | thanks |
| 15:52.53 | avrfreak | how i remove my gnome from debian,31 |
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| 15:53.38 | FallOnMe | epikak: the one OpenSSH for windows I found had just a crippled cygwin (or maybe mingw) installation. I ended up installing the real thing. |
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| 15:53.42 | antgel | cygwin is actually good |
| 15:53.57 | antgel | avrfreak: you read the debian reference manual |
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| 15:54.11 | avrfreak | no |
| 15:54.12 | mpeg | cygwin sucks imo :( |
| 15:54.13 | shingouz | RjArL: apt-setup helps you |
| 15:54.26 | FallOnMe | mpeg: is there anything better? |
| 15:54.27 | beardy | avrfreak: Yes. Learn how to use the package system. |
| 15:54.31 | RjArL | thanks shingouz |
| 15:54.35 | avrfreak | ok |
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| 15:54.47 | beardy | !reference |
| 15:54.47 | dpkg | [reference] The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
| 15:54.49 | mpeg | eh no |
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| 15:55.03 | RjArL | [antgel] I find atmel-firmware |
| 15:55.09 | RjArL | is this package? |
| 15:55.23 | mpeg | use linux :] |
| 15:55.29 | FallOnMe | mpeg: so it's the best thing there is. ;-) I didn't try Microsoft's own Services for Unix, though. |
| 15:55.52 | shingouz | FallOnMe: just install linux on the box and be done with it :p |
| 15:56.16 | FallOnMe | shingouz: The application won't run on Linux. |
| 15:56.31 | shingouz | FallOnMe: port it |
| 15:56.32 | mpeg | what application? |
| 15:56.35 | beardy | FallOnMe: WHich one? |
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| 15:56.47 | FallOnMe | HP's Data Protector backup software. |
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| 15:57.15 | mpeg | and what do you intend to backup? |
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| 15:57.17 | shingouz | FallOnMe: rsync and tar comes into my mind |
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| 15:57.21 | FallOnMe | They have sparc/solaris, HP/UX and Windows server installations. |
| 15:57.32 | mpeg | <nickim_nick> Free WebCamera Sex Movie For sign => http://canliporno.gen.ms |
| 15:57.34 | jethro | shingouz: rsync+tar is the poor man's backup tool |
| 15:57.36 | beardy | FallOnMe: Buld it from source. |
| 15:57.36 | jethro | :) |
| 15:57.37 | mpeg | /umode +E |
| 15:57.45 | FallOnMe | mpeg: Oh, about the whole datacenter, some 80 servers. ;-) |
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| 15:58.22 | mpeg | :D |
| 15:58.31 | FallOnMe | beardy: I think HP would let me take a sniff at the source, and much less support an outside port. ;-) |
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| 15:59.17 | beardy | FallOnMe: Tell them they just lost a customer then? |
| 15:59.35 | mpeg | heh send them to hell |
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| 15:59.40 | antgel | RjArL: apt-cache show at76c503a-source atmel-firmware. suggest you read up on apt big time. |
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| 15:59.51 | jwl | Anyone using bacula? |
| 15:59.55 | beardy | FallOnMe: If you're big enough they reconsider. |
| 15:59.56 | knopX | I get a ton of im guessing bots messaging me with advertisments is there a way to stop this???? |
| 16:00.01 | antgel | !anyone |
| 16:00.01 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 16:00.04 | antgel | !topic |
| 16:00.06 | FallOnMe | beardy: Maybe I would, if I was the decision maker. ;-) |
| 16:00.06 | beardy | knopX: (topic |
| 16:00.08 | shingouz | !polls |
| 16:00.09 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 16:00.30 | jwl | OK sorry |
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| 16:00.45 | RjArL | antmel what it menas? |
| 16:00.48 | RjArL | means |
| 16:00.49 | FallOnMe | that said, does anyone really use bacula? ;-) |
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| 16:00.51 | beardy | FallOnMe: Influence the decision maker? :) |
| 16:00.57 | antgel | RjArL: i give up. |
| 16:01.00 | jwl | I tried but couldn't make it work from (* |
| 16:01.02 | jwl | 98 |
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| 16:01.18 | RjArL | [antgel] sorry I don't underestand |
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| 16:01.26 | antgel | RjArL: join the club. |
| 16:01.31 | shingouz | RjArL: did you read the man pages for apt-get and apt-cache? |
| 16:01.43 | RjArL | [shingouz] no |
| 16:01.44 | mpeg | resign and join to kernel developers :] |
| 16:01.50 | shingouz | RjArL: then read it |
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| 16:02.09 | jwl | apt-* are your friends. |
| 16:02.12 | RjArL | [shingouz] the part og giving up? |
| 16:02.26 | knopX | beardy thanks didnt see that one |
| 16:02.36 | Levinator | how can i detect and usa a realtek 8029 card? |
| 16:02.37 | FallOnMe | beardy: tried, failed. HP had the best (cheapest) offer... and the software is not that bad, it just runs on Windows. |
| 16:02.37 | shingouz | RjArL: something along those lines, yes. |
| 16:02.47 | Levinator | use |
| 16:02.52 | shingouz | !tell Levinator about realtek |
| 16:03.00 | Levinator | thx |
| 16:03.27 | shingouz | Levinator: umm.. that is another thing. your nic a wireless? |
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| 16:03.38 | FallOnMe | beardy: And Windows is not that bad either, once you fill it up with sysadmin-friendly goodies like perl and a decent shell. |
| 16:03.44 | beardy | FallOnMe: wine? (probably not a good idea for that kind of software though..) |
| 16:03.44 | Levinator | no |
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| 16:03.59 | Levinator | and its a 8029 |
| 16:04.00 | antgel | FallOnMe: bullshit. what about the fucking gui? |
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| 16:04.09 | FallOnMe | antgel: what about it? |
| 16:04.15 | Levinator | but i have got a 8139... |
| 16:04.31 | beardy | FallOnMe: That depends on your views on freedom and other things. |
| 16:04.45 | Levinator | but whats next after dmesg? |
| 16:04.45 | shingouz | !tell Levinator about rtl8029 |
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| 16:04.59 | Slippy | does debian have a command for creating a new default site/virtual host under /apache2/sites-available? |
| 16:05.17 | justin | Slippy: cp default mysite? |
| 16:05.23 | FallOnMe | beardy: Who cares about the beard-man's ideals. This thing gets the job done. |
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| 16:05.45 | beardy | FallOnMe: A lot of people. But to each his own. |
| 16:05.45 | antgel | FallOnMe: you'll grow out of it :) |
| 16:05.47 | mpeg | why does the spammers choose freenode? :/ |
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| 16:06.19 | knopX | does anyone know the ip address for swat right off hand |
| 16:06.23 | cr3 | is there somekind of interface to help me manage /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 16:06.25 | FallOnMe | antgel: I think I'm growing into it, coming from 8 years of straight unixen. |
| 16:06.38 | antgel | cr3: vi |
| 16:06.39 | shingouz | cr3: define "manage" |
| 16:06.45 | stew | cr3: apt-setup |
| 16:06.49 | cr3 | I have all of my debian CDs in there but I'd like to add the debian site as well |
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| 16:07.01 | antgel | cr3: what stew said |
| 16:07.02 | shingouz | cr3: apt-cdrom, apt-setup |
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| 16:07.36 | cr3 | thanks |
| 16:07.53 | Levinator | so shingouz when i try modprobe for realtek 8029 (ne2k-pci) then work? :) |
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| 16:08.14 | shingouz | Levinator: how should i know. try it ;) |
| 16:08.22 | Levinator | ok |
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| 16:08.26 | Levinator | thank U |
| 16:08.31 | shingouz | !u |
| 16:08.31 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 16:09.44 | cr3 | stew: I selected an http site in apt-setup and then ran apt-get install mplayer which is still not found. isn't that strange? |
| 16:10.25 | FallOnMe | cr3: mplayer is not in Debian. |
| 16:10.41 | FallOnMe | !tell cr3 about marillat |
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| 16:10.52 | FallOnMe | Hey, I'm getting the hang of this. |
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| 16:11.29 | RjArL | antgel shingouz I read mans |
| 16:11.30 | beardy | !win FallOnMe |
| 16:11.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, FallOnMe! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 16:11.43 | brothers | anyone using the amd64 port? |
| 16:11.48 | jethro | !anyone |
| 16:11.48 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 16:11.50 | Levinator | y-o-u :) |
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| 16:11.59 | RjArL | antmel I read about show at apt-get |
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| 16:12.20 | shingouz | RjArL: try again. "apt-cache show package" |
| 16:12.41 | RjArL | yes yes |
| 16:12.43 | RjArL | apt-cache |
| 16:12.46 | RjArL | show |
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| 16:13.08 | brothers | so, the amd64 netinstall cd image doesn't boot, saying that it cannot find kernel image: linux |
| 16:13.10 | RjArL | or showpkg |
| 16:13.26 | abrotman | !tell brothers about amd64 |
| 16:13.39 | Levinator | yeahyeahyeah :)) |
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| 16:13.45 | Fracture | is debian 2 dvd's ? |
| 16:13.46 | Levinator | its work :)) |
| 16:13.57 | HCTC | does anyone have a good link for setting up ADSL on deb with an adsl router/modem in bridge mode? |
| 16:14.07 | Levinator | thank y-o-u shingouz :) |
| 16:14.20 | RjArL | show is the same as dpkg --print-avail |
| 16:14.20 | shingouz | Fracture: yes but to install you need two floppies or a 100MB cd |
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| 16:14.26 | abrotman | Fracture: it can be |
| 16:14.30 | Fracture | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ ? |
| 16:14.34 | lostdj | hello |
| 16:14.36 | cr3 | I'm trying to install marillat, so I added deb http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/debian-marillat stable main to my sources.list file, then ran apt-update, then ran apt-get install marillat. still no luck. |
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| 16:14.49 | lostdj | on wich kernel builded last release of debian? |
| 16:14.55 | abrotman | cr3: marillat is not the name of the package |
| 16:14.59 | abrotman | !tell cr3 about mplayer |
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| 16:15.24 | beardy | cr3: marillat is the name of repository |
| 16:15.32 | beardy | the |
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| 16:15.41 | AVR[GR] | so many bots...whats going on |
| 16:15.44 | AVR[GR] | ? |
| 16:15.46 | beardy | AVR[GR]: /topic |
| 16:15.51 | PeterB | AVR[GR]: /topic |
| 16:15.51 | jethro | !topicsmite AVR[GR] |
| 16:15.52 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon AVR[GR]. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 16:15.58 | RjArL | ok |
| 16:16.03 | RjArL | seea you later |
| 16:16.09 | shingouz | lostdj: the installer kernel is either a 2.4 or a 2.6 depending on what you choose. if course after your first boot you install a real kernel on it |
| 16:16.19 | cr3 | aha! thanks for your patience, I'm understanding now |
| 16:16.23 | lostdj | k ty |
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| 16:16.34 | shingouz | s/if/of |
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| 16:17.15 | nitin | guys which repository is sasl-bin located? |
| 16:17.18 | yuacht | anyone know how to make anjuta compile with gcc `ewl-config --libs --cflags`? |
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| 16:18.56 | knopX | I am trying to use nessus and but need a little help i try to log in and it says connection refused ?? |
| 16:19.30 | abrotman | #knoppix |
| 16:19.32 | epikak | knopX, the port is probably not open |
| 16:19.39 | epikak | your SYN is being met with a RST |
| 16:19.44 | abrotman | #knoppix |
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| 16:20.05 | nitin | guys which repository is sasl-bin located? |
| 16:20.24 | abrotman | !find sasl-bin sarge |
| 16:20.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sasl-bin' (1): (/usr/share/doc/phpdoc/html/function.ldap-sasl-bind.html) in non-free/doc/phpdoc. |
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| 16:21.27 | brothers | abrotman: thanks for putting me in the right channel, they were helpful |
| 16:21.34 | knopX | epikak i have default localhost and the default port ?? |
| 16:21.38 | abrotman | #knoppix |
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| 16:21.56 | abrotman | knopX: go to #knoppix |
| 16:21.56 | beardy | abrotman: one more ;) |
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| 16:22.07 | Levinator | bye |
| 16:22.10 | Levinator | :) |
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| 16:22.24 | knopX | i am using debian now |
| 16:22.36 | abrotman | which version? |
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| 16:23.00 | knopX | woody and its grrrrrrrrrreat! |
| 16:23.04 | knopX | toney the tiger great |
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| 16:23.07 | abrotman | kill him |
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| 16:24.02 | knopX | abrotman i have no clue what your problem is help people in the community man |
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| 16:24.08 | knopX | dont bash people love people |
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| 16:24.35 | knopX | now i have had about 10 questions answered in this channel everyone has been quite helpful man |
| 16:24.38 | abrotman | knopX: because you're not using debian .. and you're in #debian asking for help with your fucking KNOPPIX .. KNOPPIX != DEBIAN |
| 16:24.40 | abrotman | how fucking stupid are yu |
| 16:24.42 | abrotman | you |
| 16:24.59 | knopX | umm abrotman im using debian now |
| 16:25.04 | abrotman | knopX: which version |
| 16:25.06 | knopX | just because my handle dont hate |
| 16:25.13 | abrotman | fucking stupid asshole |
| 16:25.16 | greycat | knopX: you aren't in our "community" |
| 16:25.20 | knopX | told you woody now you want to interrogate me if you dont like it ignore me |
| 16:25.34 | abrotman | knopX: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it isay? |
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| 16:26.13 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 16:26.18 | knopX | im not going to do your interrogating and feed into your cat and mouse games |
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| 16:26.24 | abrotman | knopX: what does it say? |
| 16:26.28 | knopX | i dont have to answer! |
| 16:26.30 | abrotman | you're not even using debian .. get the hell out of here |
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| 16:26.40 | abrotman | !greycat++ |
| 16:26.58 | greycat | he can stay if he likes. |
| 16:26.59 | kspath | heheh |
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| 16:27.39 | lostdj | :) |
| 16:27.44 | abrotman | i htought you were only allowed 200 ? |
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| 16:28.22 | Spherical` | Hey guys, I am having some problems with a soundblaster live 24-bit I'm not sure whether this is the kernel interrupting too frequently (my hardware can't handle), the drivers, or the chipset itself. |
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| 16:28.39 | migiel | how can i update my system so it's protected against the newest hacks, exploits, etc.. ? |
| 16:28.43 | Spherical` | The problem: Sound is out of sync. |
| 16:28.45 | greycat | !security |
| 16:28.45 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 16:28.51 | greycat | Spherical`: out of sync with what? |
| 16:28.53 | migiel | thx |
| 16:29.11 | Spherical` | With the frequencies / timing of the music. |
| 16:29.18 | abrotman | say what? |
| 16:29.26 | moshii | Spherical`: playing too fast? |
| 16:29.26 | abrotman | it's playing your music slowly ? |
| 16:29.39 | greycat | or the bass is faster than the treble? |
| 16:29.41 | Spherical` | Yes that's the problem too fast then overlaping. |
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| 16:29.46 | migiel | mc |
| 16:29.48 | abrotman | Spherical`: are you using alsa ? |
| 16:29.54 | Spherical` | Indeed alsa. |
| 16:30.01 | greycat | figures ;-) |
| 16:30.09 | abrotman | i've never heard of any card doing that .. you might get more help in #alsa |
| 16:30.15 | moshii | Spherical`: you might find something on the alsa page for your card too |
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| 16:30.24 | Spherical` | Tried the alsa page. |
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| 16:30.33 | Spherical` | Now the channel :) |
| 16:30.46 | greycat | is the kernel throwing any errors (in dmesg)? |
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| 16:31.14 | abrotman | MOM! |
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| 16:31.55 | kspath | I completely fail to understand why people troll |
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| 16:32.05 | abrotman | who is trolling? |
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| 16:32.20 | greycat | abrotman: presumably that knopX guy |
| 16:32.26 | kspath | yah |
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| 16:32.39 | abrotman | he had been here all morning .. and we explained the knoppix/debian thing hours ago |
| 16:32.44 | abrotman | i didn't know he was still here |
| 16:32.53 | RainbowW | how do i figure out which device my scsi cdrom is using? from dmesg it looks like /dev/sdb, but cdparanoia doesn't like that. |
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| 16:33.04 | greycat | RainbowW: SCSI == /dev/scd0 |
| 16:33.33 | greycat | you'll need write perms on /dev/sg0 also |
| 16:33.37 | RainbowW | greycat: cdparanoia reports unable to open cdrom drive |
| 16:33.47 | greycat | try it as root |
| 16:34.28 | lakcaj | or try /dev/sr0 |
| 16:34.31 | RainbowW | as root, same error |
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| 16:34.41 | greycat | what's the *exact* error? |
| 16:34.44 | kspath | did you try df -Tak |
| 16:34.53 | RainbowW | Unable to open cdrom drive; -v will give more information. |
| 16:35.05 | lakcaj | RainbowW, try /dev/sr0 |
| 16:35.15 | RainbowW | lakcaj that is sr0. |
| 16:35.30 | greycat | RainbowW: what kernel? what does dmesg | grep CD say? |
| 16:35.54 | mw44106 | try ls /dev/cdrom |
| 16:36.04 | greycat | mw44106: won't do much without -l |
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| 16:36.23 | RainbowW | greycat: 2.6.11.11; dmesg | grep CD finds the drive but doesn't give a device name. |
| 16:36.28 | greycat | custom kernel? |
| 16:36.39 | RainbowW | yes. |
| 16:36.51 | greycat | load the SCSI CD driver and the SCSI generic driver. you're on your own. |
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| 16:40.26 | syntaxx | apache is working fine on localhost but when i tried to browse it using my public ip it says connection refuse why is that? im on a router. i already put the private ip on port forward and virtual server but still it didnt allow me to connect |
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| 16:41.06 | Kamping_Kaise1 | syntaxx: you cant connect to yourself... you need to go through a proxy of some sort |
| 16:41.16 | deltron | i broke my box trying to upgrade to sarge :( |
| 16:41.19 | greycat | tell us the IP and we can test it from outside |
| 16:42.19 | greycat | deltron: sarge upgrades MUST be done using aptitude instead of apt-get, as documented in the install guide |
| 16:42.24 | greycat | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 16:42.24 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 16:42.29 | syntaxx | greycat: http://syntaxx.ath.cx |
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| 16:42.44 | greycat | syntaxx: connection refused |
| 16:42.44 | abrotman | syntaxx: IP |
| 16:43.00 | migiel | when i run chkrootkit it says: 'ls' infected and 'netstat' infected and 'pstree' infected... what can i do.. ? |
| 16:43.06 | greycat | syntaxx: your port forwarding must not be set up correctly |
| 16:43.09 | syntaxx | 203.87.199.210 |
| 16:43.16 | syntaxx | hmm |
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| 16:43.28 | greycat | still connection refused on the IP |
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| 16:43.45 | syntaxx | in port forwarding on my router it says private ip.. so that means my 192.168 ryt? |
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| 16:44.04 | greycat | syntaxx: forward port 80 from your router's external IP to the Debian box's IP. |
| 16:44.16 | AP03 | anyone here familiar with enlightenment dr17? |
| 16:44.22 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 16:44.22 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 16:44.43 | deltron | greycat: i didn't know about that guide :( |
| 16:44.47 | syntaxx | ok ill check it out |
| 16:44.50 | Rus0 | hi all |
| 16:44.51 | deltron | so i guess it's really broke? |
| 16:44.59 | RainbowW | AP03: in #e they'll tell you to buzz off too. now buzz off. |
| 16:45.03 | greycat | deltron: most likely it can be fixed |
| 16:45.09 | Rus0 | i get this error message pretty often |
| 16:45.10 | me_here | can anyone ping me and tell what ip number is shown ? |
| 16:45.12 | AP03 | RainbowW: wow, thanks. |
| 16:45.20 | greycat | 12:45 me_here [n=Kvirc@dsl-082-083-226-115.arcor-ip.net] |
| 16:45.20 | deltron | i'm trying to see if i can get a kvm-over-ip solution now |
| 16:45.23 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.26 | Rus0 | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 16:45.26 | Rus0 | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 16:45.26 | Rus0 | Error: couldn't open display (null) |
| 16:45.29 | syntaxx | greycat: when i ifconfig the eth0 ip is my debian box ip is that right? |
| 16:45.31 | greycat | dsl-082-083-226-115.arcor-ip.net has address 82.83.226.115 |
| 16:45.31 | me_here | thx Snuts |
| 16:45.37 | greycat | Rus0: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 16:45.39 | RainbowW | AP03: e17 is unstable and unsupported software. if you break it you own both parts. and don't ask us for the glue. |
| 16:45.46 | greycat | syntaxx: right |
| 16:46.16 | abrotman | !tell AP03 about dr17 |
| 16:46.51 | abrotman | greycat: sparkly! |
| 16:46.54 | greycat | unless they're debugging it or hacking on it, of course |
| 16:47.06 | mwilson | greycat: Any number of people don't do anything serious with their machines. |
| 16:47.12 | AP03 | RainbowW: not asking for the glue- i have it working, just need some help using it |
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| 16:47.40 | FieldySnuts | greycat: vast majority of them are just experimenting that's all. it's in no way usable as an every day tool |
| 16:48.03 | abrotman | don't tell Gnea that :) |
| 16:48.03 | greycat | FieldySnuts: I bet they don't even run their IRC clients inside screen either. |
| 16:48.05 | FieldySnuts | it's an interesting mess of crazy eye candy, which will probably be very usable some day |
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| 16:48.18 | FieldySnuts | greycat: most eyecandy kiddies have never even heard of screen heh |
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| 16:49.25 | deltron | gui sucks :P |
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| 16:49.34 | megabit | Hi |
| 16:49.45 | syntaxx | greycat: will u try to check it? http://syntaxx.ath.cx |
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| 16:49.56 | greycat | syntaxx: connection refused |
| 16:50.05 | syntaxx | =\ |
| 16:50.06 | FieldySnuts | ~u |
| 16:50.10 | apt | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1.. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:50.41 | FieldySnuts | how do you remove somethign from a factoid, without killing it and re-adding it? userfriendly.org is annoying these days, much of the time you're forced to look at an ad for 30 seconds first. |
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| 16:51.30 | greycat | good god. |
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| 16:52.06 | Caelum | FieldySnuts: if apt is an infobot, then http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html |
| 16:52.08 | syntaxx | greycat: do you think i need a complete reboot? pc and router? |
| 16:52.21 | Caelum | apt, infobot? |
| 16:52.22 | apt | caelum, i love abuse, feed me! |
| 16:52.22 | mwilson | What would a reboot do? |
| 16:52.29 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 16:52.33 | greycat | apt, u =~ s#http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201#http://wooledge.org/~greg/ufng007401.gif# |
| 16:52.33 | apt | OK, greycat |
| 16:52.49 | FieldySnuts | ah, smart |
| 16:52.49 | kvn | I'm officially disturbed. |
| 16:53.13 | kvn | But I guess Perl does that. ;-) |
| 16:53.21 | megabit | Can you help me with noteboook - touchpad? Picture - http://www.levi.cz/image/4000cx.jpg and the circle boton middle of left and right botton not working. |
| 16:53.35 | justin | megabit: button |
| 16:53.36 | Rus0 | greycat: thanx, where can i get more details? |
| 16:53.55 | greycat | Rus0: /msg dpkg sux /msg dpkg sshx /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 16:54.33 | greycat | dpkg, u =~ s#http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201#http://wooledge.org/~greg/ufng007401.gif# |
| 16:54.34 | dpkg | cannot alter locked factoids, greycat |
| 16:54.39 | megabit | justin, Sorry. |
| 16:54.43 | megabit | (: |
| 16:54.48 | FieldySnuts | lame |
| 16:54.53 | greycat | dondelelcaro: don_inlab: can you please unlock the 'u' factoid? |
| 16:55.02 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: u? |
| 16:55.03 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:55.15 | FieldySnuts | the part about dutch is right, however |
| 16:55.30 | Rus0 | thanx again |
| 16:55.42 | atom-z | I want to build myself a .deb package, containing all the nvidia stuff i've setup over the past few days, so I can re-install it easily after an apt-get upgrade |
| 16:55.49 | greycat | ravenbird, u =~ s#http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201#http://wooledge.org/~greg/ufng007401.gif# |
| 16:55.50 | ravenbird | greycat: OK |
| 16:56.05 | greycat | atom-z: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 16:56.18 | atom-z | greycat, ah... but, i'm using amd64 |
| 16:56.30 | atom-z | greycat, that one-liner doesnt work :\ |
| 16:56.32 | greycat | atom-z: /j #debian-amd64 |
| 16:56.44 | megabit | justin, And can you help me? |
| 16:57.06 | BusMaster | i can check the bandwidth I've consumed form my ISP's page..however, it only works with internet explorer..is there anything I can do to view it through Sarge? |
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| 16:57.17 | atom-z | greycat, it wouldnt help, I asked there... NVidia driver package support is somewhat complicated, and only for sid in amd64 at the moment |
| 16:57.21 | justin | megabit: i dunno |
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| 16:57.36 | greycat | atom-z: then I think you have your answer. |
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| 16:58.02 | atom-z | greycat, upgrade to sid? |
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| 16:58.09 | greycat | or wait |
| 16:58.22 | atom-z | greycat, so etch is still subject to change |
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| 16:58.31 | megabit | justin, Thanks |
| 16:58.31 | greycat | oh yes. |
| 16:58.33 | IveGotADD- | damn stupid assfscks |
| 16:58.34 | Rus0 | what is with the porn bot? |
| 16:58.43 | IveGotADD- | god damn this pm spam |
| 16:58.51 | Rus0 | this is a OS channel right? |
| 16:58.52 | FieldySnuts | no shit |
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| 16:58.56 | skate | turn it off? |
| 16:59.01 | atom-z | greycat, ah ok... in the mean time, before I apt-get upgrade, should I uninstall nvidia's drivers? |
| 16:59.07 | FieldySnuts | a solution is in the topic |
| 16:59.10 | skate | these satellite photos of hurricane katrina are nuts |
| 16:59.16 | FieldySnuts | skate: url? |
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| 16:59.47 | skate | i've looked at like 30 pages, the first ones on google are good |
| 16:59.57 | skate | the body of the storm is bigger than texas |
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| 17:00.10 | FieldySnuts | http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/index.shtml? useful info |
| 17:00.14 | atom-z | greycat, if X is going to be upgraded, that is |
| 17:00.17 | skate | yeah i saw that page |
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| 17:01.28 | FieldySnuts | heh nytimes won't let me browse withotu 1) cookies 2) flash idiots |
| 17:01.37 | FieldySnuts | no big loss |
| 17:01.45 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: does that say .. 175MPH ? |
| 17:01.53 | FieldySnuts | probably |
| 17:01.59 | FieldySnuts | it's category 5, man. |
| 17:02.08 | skate | it's a category 4 storm which means the winds could reach 200mph |
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| 17:02.13 | skate | oh 5? |
| 17:02.22 | skate | shit i must be looking at an older page |
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| 17:02.34 | skate | either way, new orleans is going to get trashed |
| 17:02.35 | FieldySnuts | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167243,00.html , look at the first photo |
| 17:02.43 | skate | those people must be panicing big time if they haven't got out |
| 17:02.52 | greycat | panicking |
| 17:02.59 | skate | i thought that looked wrong |
| 17:03.00 | greycat | !english |
| 17:03.00 | dpkg | english is, like, a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 17:03.01 | FieldySnuts | 'Storm New Orleans Has Feared' quite accurate |
| 17:03.11 | epikak | can someone tell me why i am not allowed to do this??? --> mkfifo /tmp/piper; sudo tar jcvf /tmp/piper /etc/; scp /tmp/piper administrator@192.168.0.100:/cygdrive/d/Kris/etc_hoary_lappy_20050828.tar.bz2 |
| 17:03.16 | FieldySnuts | for those who don't know, the city is mostly below sea level |
| 17:03.20 | FieldySnuts | so this is real bad |
| 17:03.31 | justin | epikak: pipe tar to ssh like I told you an hour ago. |
| 17:03.37 | FieldySnuts | 20+ foot storm swells expected |
| 17:03.38 | lakcaj | Is there a way to make apt-get install all the suggested packages? |
| 17:03.40 | greycat | !ssh tar |
| 17:03.40 | dpkg | well, ssh tar is what we use when we don't have rsync. cd /somewhere; tar cf - . | ssh me@remotebox 'cd /somewhere && tar xvf -' |
| 17:03.44 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i've been there a couple of times .. they're screwed :) |
| 17:03.44 | kvn | Well if you consider being wiped off the map 'really bad' then yeah. |
| 17:03.55 | epikak | justin, heheh i wanted to do scp |
| 17:04.12 | justin | epikak: that's nice |
| 17:04.17 | FieldySnuts | http://www.goes.noaa.gov/GIFS/ECWV.JPG |
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| 17:04.35 | greycat | WE'RE THE GOVERNMENT. WE USE CAPITAL LETTERS. |
| 17:04.39 | FieldySnuts | yeah no doubt |
| 17:04.45 | FieldySnuts | and we put jpegs in directories named GIF |
| 17:04.46 | kvn | It makes it look more important. |
| 17:04.50 | greycat | heh |
| 17:05.06 | epikak | justin, does scp really force you to use regular files instaed of pipes? |
| 17:05.13 | justin | epikak: who cares. pipe ssh to tar |
| 17:05.14 | kvn | The NOAA offices are down the street from my office. I can file any complaints for you. ;-) |
| 17:05.15 | justin | epikak: er, tar to ssh |
| 17:05.17 | atom-z | wtf, crypto stuff is classed as munitions. cool |
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| 17:05.35 | greycat | atom-z: that's old news. it's actually loosened now. |
| 17:05.50 | greycat | that's why there's no more non-US in debian |
| 17:05.57 | epikak | justin, well i es si am confused on the syntax for piping tar to ssh |
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| 17:06.02 | greycat | !ssh tar |
| 17:06.03 | dpkg | ssh tar is probably what we use when we don't have rsync. cd /somewhere; tar cf - . | ssh me@remotebox 'cd /somewhere && tar xvf -' |
| 17:06.05 | atom-z | ah i see |
| 17:06.27 | FieldySnuts | http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?ID=LIX do not view without some form of popup / advertisng blocking. |
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| 17:06.54 | zamolxes | grr darn spammers |
| 17:07.07 | FieldySnuts | grr damn people who don't read the topic |
| 17:07.21 | deltron | wow, look at the pressure band that is going around the hurricane on the main wunderground page |
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| 17:08.12 | zamolxes | FieldySnuts: they still suck! |
| 17:08.21 | kvn | How about some more realistic nicks. |
| 17:08.30 | FieldySnuts | so does being a regular here, and watching 200 people bitch about it |
| 17:08.40 | kvn | At least use bigrams and trigrams. |
| 17:08.53 | FieldySnuts | deltron: 907mbars ... |
| 17:08.59 | FieldySnuts | that's officially insane |
| 17:09.02 | deltron | lol |
| 17:09.08 | deltron | exactly |
| 17:09.09 | FieldySnuts | i've never even heard of below 920 |
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| 17:09.32 | Supaplex | well now you have |
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| 17:10.02 | deltron | well, it is a cat 5 |
| 17:10.17 | zamolxes | yea yea, it should read the topic |
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| 17:10.56 | FieldySnuts | 26.78 inches |
| 17:11.02 | FieldySnuts | i had to read that twice. |
| 17:11.12 | paolob | Hi guys! Anyone using a cnet serial modem with debian? Can it connect at a speed better than 14,400? |
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| 17:11.59 | FieldySnuts | in the northern US, (ohio, great lakes), 4 - 8" are expected from this |
| 17:12.05 | greycat | oh great. |
| 17:12.07 | FieldySnuts | crazy |
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| 17:12.17 | FieldySnuts | that is a LOT of freaking rain |
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| 17:12.25 | justin | paolob: is the modem better than a 14.4? |
| 17:12.27 | kvn | Can't wait for my basement to flood. |
| 17:12.29 | greycat | !blame FieldySnuts |
| 17:12.35 | FieldySnuts | wednesday morning, be prepared folks |
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| 17:13.00 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: admittedly .. been kind of dry .. not that getting 6" in 12 hours is really going to help |
| 17:13.08 | paolob | justin: it's a 56k: cnet cn5614xr |
| 17:13.17 | kvn | I should go to the supermarket and buy up all the TP. |
| 17:13.22 | kvn | and batteries. |
| 17:13.22 | FieldySnuts | http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/151733.shtml?3day |
| 17:13.23 | greycat | paolob: so raise the serial port speed to 115k |
| 17:13.26 | kvn | And sell it on the street. |
| 17:13.30 | FieldySnuts | there you go. striek probabilities, including what i just mentioned |
| 17:13.36 | FieldySnuts | anybody in that cone is gonna get an assload of rain |
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| 17:13.53 | greycat | oh, leftover. |
| 17:14.10 | FieldySnuts | geez. expected to still be a hurricate in central MS |
| 17:14.11 | BusMaster | is there some way to emulate IE using galeon/firefox/any-browesr-running-on-linux ? my ISP's website is IE only :( |
| 17:14.15 | paolob | greycat: I think it's set so. How do I check it? |
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| 17:14.36 | deltron | BusMaster: install firefox's user agent switcher :) |
| 17:14.40 | FieldySnuts | i think it was henry rollins who whined, in a spoken word bit, about how they need to stop giving hurricanes cute names like Katrina |
| 17:14.42 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it's flat there :) |
| 17:14.54 | ^Duffy^ | BusMaster: Tell them to fix it ;P |
| 17:14.58 | zamolxes | yea, or el nino |
| 17:15.05 | FieldySnuts | "they should name it, the first for Black Sabbath Albums. f*ck yeah, that could destroy MY town!!!" |
| 17:15.14 | FieldySnuts | s/for/four/ |
| 17:15.25 | FieldySnuts | "have you ever heard Paranoia! god damn!" |
| 17:15.25 | epikak | tar jxcf - /etc/ | ssh administrator@192.168.0.100 'cd /cygdrive/d/Kris/ && cat - > etc_test.tar.bz2' |
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| 17:15.33 | BusMaster | ^Duffy^, i did..but its the government and I got a reply, "if you want our service, you'll have to live with it" .. and i gotta live with it, since this is the only ISP in my area |
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| 17:15.44 | zamolxes | hmm, i'm off writing a hurricane grammar for polygen :) |
| 17:15.55 | abrotman | BusMaster: you tried konq,ff,opera ? |
| 17:16.08 | BusMaster | abrotman, yeah |
| 17:16.12 | BusMaster | abrotman, currently on ff |
| 17:16.13 | ^Duffy^ | tried linx ? ;P |
| 17:16.21 | ^Duffy^ | lynx* |
| 17:16.31 | Supaplex | what's the site? |
| 17:16.36 | BusMaster | ^Duffy^, tried lynx and links..but all I get is a page saying "Sorry, IE is needed" |
| 17:16.38 | abrotman | BusMaster: opera doesn't work either ? |
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| 17:16.45 | BusMaster | abrotman, did not try opera.. |
| 17:16.49 | epikak | BusMaster, spoof your user agent |
| 17:17.02 | ^Duffy^ | spoof your user agent |
| 17:17.05 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: did you look at the 123 map ? .. shows two more possibles at sea |
| 17:17.06 | magyar | i have an older linux system that got roken in an it is running some sort of software that ssh's the internet with all the usernames on my system, is it a root kit? |
| 17:17.15 | Supaplex | spoof it, spoof it good |
| 17:17.26 | epikak | do do do do doot |
| 17:17.36 | BusMaster | Supaplex, http://www.sancharnet.in/dataoneredirect.htm |
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| 17:17.51 | BusMaster | epikak, how? |
| 17:18.04 | BusMaster | abrotman, Opera is not really free...don't want to use it as far as possible |
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| 17:18.13 | epikak | in Firefox? |
| 17:18.16 | abrotman | BusMaster: well .. the page loads in my opera |
| 17:18.40 | ^Duffy^ | BusMaster: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=59 |
| 17:18.45 | BusMaster | abrotman, oh? *surpriesed* well, then I'll have to try it after all |
| 17:18.50 | abrotman | BusMaster: but i bet you actually want the login part eh ? |
| 17:18.58 | BusMaster | abrotman, of course |
| 17:19.07 | FieldySnuts | im a big fan of weather, i wanted to see a hurricane. i got my chance a few years ago in Florida. Some cat4 off the shore, my flight left in time thankfully (i changed my mind then about wanting to see one) |
| 17:19.32 | FieldySnuts | i did get to see the edge of it, just this incredible wall of clouds over the entire horizon, just seeing that was scary enough |
| 17:19.35 | ^Duffy^ | BusMaster: That will allow you to change the FF User Agent from a drop-down menu |
| 17:19.41 | abrotman | BusMaster: but it seems to work in FF too |
| 17:19.43 | FieldySnuts | makes you feel tiny |
| 17:19.55 | abrotman | BusMaster: except those flash things |
| 17:20.01 | abrotman | BusMaster: the Flash News thing |
| 17:20.18 | BusMaster | abrotman, well, i think you are being redirected to another site...because the link says that access to his website is availabe is available only through DataOne connections (that is my isp) |
| 17:20.29 | abrotman | BusMaster: oh .. possibly |
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| 17:20.38 | BusMaster | abrotman, http://www.dataone.in/ .. its that link at the bottom saying "DataOne account administration" |
| 17:20.48 | BusMaster | ^Duffy^, trying your suggestion |
| 17:21.10 | ^Duffy^ | BusMaster: Well, I can even access microsoft update with FF ;P |
| 17:21.26 | epikak | justin, since the remote ssh machine is a windwos box i think i dont h'-'ave |
| 17:21.27 | abrotman | BusMaster: yeah .. seems to redirect |
| 17:21.58 | justin | epikak: full sentences.. |
| 17:22.00 | epikak | this is not working (linux to windows) --> tar jxcf - /etc/ | ssh administrator@192.168.0.100 'cd /cygdrive/d/Kris/ && type - > etc_test.tar.bz2' |
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| 17:22.09 | greycat | "type -"??? |
| 17:22.14 | abrotman | it would be nice if macromedia would update thier flash for linux |
| 17:22.16 | Supaplex | why not use scp? |
| 17:22.17 | greycat | what the fuck is that supposed to be? |
| 17:22.20 | epikak | greycat, the ssh machine is a win32 box |
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| 17:22.26 | greycat | !pal epikak |
| 17:22.34 | greycat | does TYPE.EXE even take - as stdin? |
| 17:22.46 | epikak | greycat, i dont think win32 even uses - |
| 17:22.52 | BusMaster | ^Duffy^, hey, the switcher agant worked...thanks a _lot_ :)) |
| 17:22.57 | Supaplex | *cough* cat use cat *cough* |
| 17:22.59 | ^Duffy^ | np ;) |
| 17:23.00 | greycat | then why did you put it in your command? |
| 17:23.03 | resiak | epikak: If you have cygwin, what's wrong with cygwin's cat ? |
| 17:23.08 | epikak | cat is not on win32 |
| 17:23.14 | greycat | epikak: neither is ssh |
| 17:23.16 | Supaplex | and neither is sshd!!! |
| 17:23.30 | epikak | yes, i only have sshd running, no other utils |
| 17:23.33 | greycat | neither is && |
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| 17:23.47 | epikak | this is sshwindows.sourceforge.net version |
| 17:23.50 | justin | tar .. | ssh foo@bar "> myfile.tgz" works when the remote shell is bash at least |
| 17:24.11 | epikak | justin, the remote shell is cmd.exe |
| 17:24.13 | Supaplex | tar ... ; scp foo.tar.gz ... |
| 17:24.14 | resiak | epikak: Right, so install a decent shell and coreutils and stop bothering us. |
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| 17:24.17 | epikak | it should work though |
| 17:24.31 | greycat | epikak: NOTHING SHOULD FUCKING WORK in cmd.exe! |
| 17:24.34 | Supaplex | last I checked, debian no run on windows. k thanks. |
| 17:24.36 | epikak | heheh |
| 17:24.37 | greycat | it's NOT BOURNE COMPATIBLE! |
| 17:25.18 | Gnea | *YAWN* |
| 17:25.23 | resiak | greycat: Out of interest, do you hilight on all the factoids that mention you? |
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| 17:26.00 | Gnea | abrotman: dear lord, rainboww was in here again? |
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| 17:26.10 | greycat | 13:26 1 gr[ea]*ycat -word -regexp -color %r |
| 17:26.14 | abrotman | Gnea: i guess |
| 17:26.16 | btsdev | for install the nvidia drivers i need to have my kernel sources .. what's the best way to get them? |
| 17:26.38 | resiak | greycat: Good answer. Cool. |
| 17:26.59 | justin | btsdev: for install the nvidia drivers you need to use the debian source packages |
| 17:27.18 | valdyn | !nvidia |
| 17:27.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 17:27.32 | wols | btsdev: you need kernel headers. and the debian source package takes care of that |
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| 17:27.59 | btsdev | wols: what's the name of the package that i should apt-get? |
| 17:28.00 | FieldySnuts | sigh |
| 17:28.05 | greycat | btsdev: /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 17:28.41 | btsdev | greycat: thanks. |
| 17:29.42 | greycat | how can someone ask an nvidia question, then see dpkg's big long answer about nvidia, and NOT read it? |
| 17:29.56 | FieldySnuts | same people who don't read the topic |
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| 17:30.02 | FieldySnuts | just plain asshats. |
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| 17:30.26 | btsdev | Fieldy: die kthx i'm running irssi on a plain console and i can't see the topic |
| 17:30.35 | resiak | btsdev: /topic |
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| 17:30.48 | resiak | btsdev: Now put that crackpipe down. |
| 17:30.54 | btsdev | resiak: but what would inspire me to run that command every time i enter a channel? |
| 17:31.05 | btsdev | resiak: no thanks, it's comforting |
| 17:31.31 | resiak | btsdev: The topic is _shown_ when you join a channel in irssi. *plonk* |
| 17:31.47 | FieldySnuts | see? asshats. |
| 17:32.01 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Hell, I try to be tolerant, but ... |
| 17:32.05 | FieldySnuts | i don't |
| 17:32.16 | greycat | if you DON'T read the /topic when you join a new channel, your netiquette is broken. |
| 17:32.23 | btsdev | resiak, FieldySnuts: no, it doesn't display it for me |
| 17:32.23 | Caelum | this gives me an idea... I'd love to make an actual goatse style ass hat to wear in public :P |
| 17:32.30 | Caelum | I'd probably get arrested |
| 17:32.39 | nvz | resiak: not to mention its always at the top of the screen |
| 17:32.51 | greycat | only the first 70-some bytes |
| 17:32.54 | sward | btsdev: Then read the fscking docs and get it to display it for you |
| 17:32.55 | btsdev | seriously guys, i mean wtf... i'm being badgered because i didn't read the topic? |
| 17:32.58 | btsdev | badgered. |
| 17:33.06 | btsdev | sward: fuck you |
| 17:33.09 | greycat | !topicbadger btsdev |
| 17:33.10 | Supaplex | !badger |
| 17:33.10 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that btsdev didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 17:33.11 | nvz | greycat: more than enough to get the SPAMBOTS GOT YOU DOWN? /mode <yournick> +E |
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| 17:33.13 | jdhutchin1 | btsdev, yep, it was put in the topic for a reason |
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| 17:33.48 | Caelum | no, the goatse back car window curtain thing is a better idea |
| 17:34.09 | shingouz | Caelum: you are a sick puppy ;) |
| 17:34.13 | sward | !beer greycat |
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| 17:37.07 | joefso | hello. |
| 17:37.25 | joefso | I'm playing a movie with mplayer and i would like to take a screenshot of it, but when I do, the picture in mplayer is blue |
| 17:37.29 | joefso | why? |
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| 17:37.47 | greycat | mplayer's probably using the XVideo extension |
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| 17:39.23 | mwilson | joefso: That's how it works. |
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| 17:40.12 | resiak | joefso: mplayer probably has a keystroke to take stills. Why not read its manpage? |
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| 17:40.31 | mwilson | resiak: How DARE you suggest that someone actually learn how to use an application! |
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| 17:40.47 | FieldySnuts | yeah the application should know better. |
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| 17:40.51 | marcot | Hello, I'm running pbuilder over apt-proxy, and I'm getting an strange error of authentication: |
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| 17:41.06 | marcot | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 17:41.06 | Om3n | Does anybody know methods to increase fps under anygames such as neverwinternights? |
| 17:41.15 | marcot | I also have a debootstrap and in it I got the same problems. |
| 17:41.17 | resiak | mwilson: Aiiiii! Let go of my nostrils! Arrrrgh, not the thumbscrews! |
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| 17:41.22 | marcot | Why is this happening and how can I correct it? |
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| 17:41.29 | fumbalah | Why dont you allset +R on the channel till the bot sgo away |
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| 17:41.42 | FieldySnuts | surely you mean +r |
| 17:41.43 | mwilson | marcot: Why do unstable users never read the news items that packages provide? |
| 17:41.48 | fumbalah | yea, that one :) |
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| 17:41.59 | FieldySnuts | because greycat likes to ban them one by one! |
| 17:42.01 | FieldySnuts | :D |
| 17:42.16 | marcot | mwilson: I'm running sarge, but trying to build in sid. |
| 17:42.23 | marcot | mwilson: where can I read this? |
| 17:42.26 | mwilson | marcot: As I said. |
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| 17:43.08 | Om3n | Would a low fps in a game be somthing to do with X? Or would it be somthing in the game? |
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| 17:43.16 | me_here | what is sbpcd? |
| 17:43.38 | marcot | mwilson: where can I read this? The packages are not installed here. |
| 17:43.41 | greycat | me_here: ancient crap |
| 17:43.47 | greycat | for your 386 |
| 17:43.48 | wols | Om3n: what driver to you use? |
| 17:44.11 | Om3n | wols, i810 it's an on-board |
| 17:44.20 | Om3n | wols, 64 mb |
| 17:44.25 | lakcaj | Om3n, what does "glxinfo | grep direct" say? |
| 17:44.27 | wols | Om3n: buy a videocard that deserves the name then |
| 17:44.28 | mwilson | marcot: The packages come with documentation. |
| 17:44.46 | wols | you can try and change to latest intel drivers, but I wouldn't have much hope |
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| 17:44.55 | resiak | wols: Handily, it's really easy to replace laptop videocards :) |
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| 17:45.02 | wols | I recently tried to watch a DVD on a i810 with a P4 2.4. It couldn't do it |
| 17:45.11 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: noaa is now comparing katrine to camille in 1969, they have to go that far back for a comparison. and are saying katrina appears worse |
| 17:45.17 | FieldySnuts | bad bad bad. |
| 17:45.21 | Om3n | lakcaj, what info you need from glxinfo? |
| 17:45.32 | greycat | 13:44 lakcaj> Om3n, what does "glxinfo | grep direct" say? |
| 17:45.37 | Om3n | the fps when i go into nwn is about 30 but once i enter the game it slows to 3 |
| 17:45.39 | mwilson | Well, yeah... Camille is the previous cat 5 hurricane. |
| 17:45.39 | wols | resiak: maybe, but no matter what, you can't make a ferrari out of a yugo |
| 17:45.45 | resiak | wols: True. |
| 17:45.46 | me_here | is there something like .net framework in linux ? |
| 17:45.50 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: did you read the CNN story? |
| 17:45.51 | FieldySnuts | i see |
| 17:46.00 | FieldySnuts | nah i try to stay away from clinton news network but i'll look |
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| 17:46.11 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/28/hurricane.katrina/index.html .. go down about 2/3 .. Worst-Case Scenario |
| 17:46.12 | FieldySnuts | </troll> |
| 17:46.18 | wols | me_here: mono. http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page |
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| 17:46.43 | Gnea | oh wow |
| 17:46.48 | Gnea | new orleans |
| 17:46.50 | Om3n | jerry@InvaderZim:~/nwn/nwn$ glxinfo |
| 17:46.50 | Om3n | name of display: :0.0 |
| 17:46.50 | Om3n | display: :0 screen: 0 |
| 17:46.50 | Om3n | direct rendering: Yes |
| 17:46.50 | Om3n | server glx vendor string: SGI |
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| 17:46.57 | resiak | \o/ |
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| 17:47.01 | lakcaj | bah |
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| 17:47.11 | greycat | how can you be that stupid? |
| 17:47.24 | lakcaj | you have to try really more harder than other peoples |
| 17:47.26 | dawg | how can you still be asking those sorts of questions :o |
| 17:47.28 | migiel | how can this be possible: in my auth.log: Aug 28 16:36:26 x useradd[9978]: new user: name=trap, uid=0, gid=0, home=/home/trap, shell= |
| 17:47.29 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: the part about how much under water .. and for how long |
| 17:47.34 | greycat | clearly you HAVE cut and paste, so why didn't you just cut and paste his command? |
| 17:47.40 | wols | greycat: you're a regular here, so why would you have to ask? |
| 17:47.48 | greycat | !sing sunday |
| 17:47.48 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 17:47.49 | me_here | wols: txh, i didn't know that, though i installed it once but never used it |
| 17:47.51 | mwilson | migiel: You're hacked. |
| 17:47.58 | migiel | mwilson yes i noticed.. |
| 17:48.02 | mwilson | migiel: If you didn't do it, that is. |
| 17:48.06 | Bwl | Anyone know how I can list all difference between two directories (incl. file mode, owner etc)? |
| 17:48.08 | migiel | im trying to figure out how... |
| 17:48.29 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: yeah this is sad and scary. i feel kinda sick |
| 17:48.35 | wols | migiel: the good news is, the one who did it wasn't very bright |
| 17:48.37 | mwilson | migiel: And so you ask stupid questions? You want someone to make some endless list of possible vectors or something? |
| 17:48.41 | greycat | not a very *good* hacker, if they used useradd |
| 17:48.52 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: yeah .. i wonder where initech is |
| 17:48.58 | FieldySnuts | ~hack greycat |
| 17:49.01 | apt | ACTION 0WnZ greycat and steals all of the p0rn on the hard drive. |
| 17:49.03 | CyzarX | hi guys, how do i modify the /usr/bin/gcc symlink to point to /usr/bin/gcc-2.95 ?? |
| 17:49.09 | resiak | Bwl: ls -l dira > foo; ls -l dirb > bar; diff foo bar ? |
| 17:49.12 | mwilson | CyzarX: You don't, of course. |
| 17:49.12 | migiel | heh, in /tmp there is a .bash_history with some lines.. |
| 17:49.13 | rbd | are there any debian gcc cross compiler packages (for from ia32 to em64t/ia64/AMD 64) built into the distro, or would I have to go somewhere else like to www.speedblue.org to get them? |
| 17:49.16 | greycat | no!!! not my naked pixx of FieldySnuts! |
| 17:49.17 | wols | apt must have the biggest p0rn collection in existence by now |
| 17:49.21 | FieldySnuts | asdf |
| 17:49.23 | Gnea | greycat: hehe and it's logged |
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| 17:49.26 | Om3n | lakcaj, I don't get anything with grep direct but i get a big printout for glxinfo |
| 17:49.28 | migiel | and also a .infoz file with all users of my system |
| 17:49.31 | mwilson | CyzarX: You under no circumstances mess with the symlink. |
| 17:49.34 | FieldySnuts | cough /tmp mounted noexec cough |
| 17:49.35 | wols | migiel: does this box have a webserver with php? |
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| 17:49.41 | migiel | yes |
| 17:49.50 | FieldySnuts | it has php? game over |
| 17:49.52 | CyzarX | mwilson, if u know, would you mind telling me please? |
| 17:49.53 | migiel | but i've checked the logs... couldnt find anything |
| 17:49.54 | FieldySnuts | i bet safe_mode was off too. |
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| 17:50.09 | Gnea | migiel: for starters, unplug it from the internet. second, reformat and reinstall. |
| 17:50.12 | Bwl | resiak: I'd like to check the difference recursive; believe that using the checksum would be a nice feature too. |
| 17:50.18 | mwilson | CyzarX: I do know. I know that you do not have any reason to mess with it. If you think you do, you are mistaken. |
| 17:50.19 | Caelum | CyzarX: export CC="gcc-whatever" |
| 17:50.31 | greycat | Caelum: I think you mean "vi Makefile" |
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| 17:50.45 | greycat | since this *IS* going to be a Linux kernel and/or 3rd party driver issue. |
| 17:50.45 | Bwl | resiak: My system has been compromised and would like to find any differences to the current system vs. a backup |
| 17:50.46 | migiel | Gnea: thanks for the advise.. |
| 17:50.49 | mwilson | greycat: That works too. |
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| 17:50.53 | Caelum | when you have to go through configure or dpkg-buildpackage it's easier to use env variables |
| 17:50.53 | fnx | hi to all. |
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| 17:50.56 | greycat | OF COURSE THE FUCKING 'TARD WON'T *SAY* IT IS. |
| 17:50.58 | CyzarX | mwilson, why are u syaing that? if you dont mind, can i discuss this in pm ? |
| 17:51.05 | resiak | Bwl: Restore from backup. |
| 17:51.06 | greycat | because why would anyone give DETAILS? |
| 17:51.20 | Caelum | green_earz: hehe |
| 17:51.21 | mwilson | CyzarX: Certainly not. There's no reason at all to do this in /msg. |
| 17:51.21 | FieldySnuts | Only three Category 5 hurricanes have made landfall in the United States since records were kept. Those were the Labor Day hurricane of 1935, 1969's Hurricane Camille and Hurricane Andrew, which devastated the Miami area in 1992. |
| 17:51.22 | Om3n | lakcaj ? |
| 17:51.26 | resiak | Bwl: A short perl script armed with file::find ? i dunno of a pre-written way. |
| 17:51.26 | FieldySnuts | unreal. |
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| 17:51.36 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: is it still building ? |
| 17:51.46 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: it hasn't reached its peak strength y et |
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| 17:51.49 | Gnea | greycat: dude, go afk and bust a nut already |
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| 17:51.50 | abrotman | eep |
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| 17:52.01 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: ... |
| 17:52.04 | Caelum | Bwl: save your data and config files and package database, reinstall, restore |
| 17:52.14 | CyzarX | wilson, is it ln /usr/bin/gcc /usr/bin/gcc-2.995 ?? |
| 17:52.17 | tarzeau | oh i've missed some good weekend, eh? |
| 17:52.23 | Caelum | Bwl: preferrably with a very locked down firewall... |
| 17:52.25 | mwilson | CyzarX: So... as greycat said, will you actually be bothering to provide details on what you think it is that you're trying to accomplish? |
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| 17:52.26 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: when were you here last? |
| 17:52.26 | greycat | CyzarX: if you have to ask, you should NOT do this. |
| 17:52.34 | greycat | CyzarX: and NO, that is not a good command. |
| 17:52.44 | Bwl | Caelum: I guess that's maybe the safest way. |
| 17:52.44 | mwilson | CyzarX: For the THIRD TIME, leave the FSCKING symlink *alone*. |
| 17:52.47 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: yesternight (actually today, 2-4 in the morning), it was so fucked |
| 17:52.51 | Bwl | Thanks for the help resiak and Caelum. |
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| 17:53.01 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: oh yeah. it's bad enough with the stupid bots joining and parting |
| 17:53.02 | CyzarX | mwilson, im trying to install oracle 9i in debian |
| 17:53.04 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: what about you? i've noticed some absence of you |
| 17:53.05 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: it's real bad right now. |
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| 17:53.11 | FieldySnuts | talk to oracle then, not our product |
| 17:53.14 | greycat | CyzarX: oracle ships SOURCE CODE? |
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| 17:53.28 | Gnea | mwilson: hey, if the kid wants to fuck his box up, let him, he'll learn |
| 17:53.39 | CyzarX | greycat, no. but in 9i it require gcc version 2.95 |
| 17:53.41 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: the problem is he'll come here and burden us. |
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| 17:53.46 | mwilson | Gnea: Yes, but who wants to listen to a moron AFTER he screws the box up? |
| 17:53.49 | CyzarX | mwilson, what is the symlink command ? |
| 17:53.50 | greycat | Gnea: if he can't even get the ln(1) syntax right, it's going to be a LONG learning curve. |
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| 17:53.54 | FieldySnuts | CyzarX: why the hell would a binary require gcc? |
| 17:54.09 | Caelum | Bwl: one way to get a list of installed packages is COL=140 dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' |
| 17:54.13 | CyzarX | FieldySnuts, i dont know. it just stated in the documents |
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| 17:54.18 | mwilson | CyzarX: If you haven't figured out by now that I have no intention of helping you screw things up, you're hopeless. |
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| 17:54.20 | dreamie | hello any nice people here to help? |
| 17:54.21 | Om3n | :\ stupid bots... |
| 17:54.22 | FieldySnuts | oh well, it's Oracle. this means it's commercial, closed source, and they ahve their own support. |
| 17:54.26 | FieldySnuts | so talk to them, not us. |
| 17:54.27 | CyzarX | .. |
| 17:54.27 | resiak | CyzarX: Have you tried installing it without pissing with /usr/bin/gcc ? |
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| 17:54.31 | tarzeau | dreamie: certainly. but no mindreaders |
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| 17:54.40 | dreamie | ok |
| 17:54.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: i am! |
| 17:54.51 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: i've noticed, when greycat wrote in capital letters |
| 17:55.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: so what's dreamie's problem? |
| 17:55.02 | Om3n | Is there a directX package for linux or is there a reason i was asked to grep it? |
| 17:55.05 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: it's been at this level for the past two hours solid |
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| 17:55.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: doesn't know how to ask a question :) |
| 17:55.15 | greycat | Om3n: direct RENDERING is not directX. |
| 17:55.20 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: you don't have nice wheater or some friends to go out with now? |
| 17:55.21 | FieldySnuts | ~permasunday |
| 17:55.25 | apt | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday |
| 17:55.25 | mwilson | CyzarX: Accept that you have no reason to mess with the symlink, THEN start looking for a correct solution. |
| 17:55.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: heh ;) |
| 17:55.28 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: fixing to |
| 17:55.32 | abrotman | !win me |
| 17:55.33 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the US presidency! |
| 17:55.38 | dreamie | i chose a net module for my installation. and now the screen saisd please enter any commandd line arguments for the 8139too module. many modules can autoprobe and do not require additional parameters |
| 17:55.39 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: take a camera with you |
| 17:55.43 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: eh? |
| 17:55.53 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: go out, go away from the damned computer |
| 17:55.55 | Om3n | greycat, Sorry, i don't know about it you know a site that has it? Maybeit will help my low fps.. |
| 17:55.59 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: i know all that |
| 17:56.05 | resiak | dreamie: You're installing Woody? Why? |
| 17:56.10 | CyzarX | mwilson, i know u r trying to tellme not to mess with the symlink . but why u r telling me not to mess with it? may i know the reason ? |
| 17:56.15 | Caelum | dreamie: press enter |
| 17:56.17 | greycat | Om3n: since it says you have direct rendering, you go on to the next step, whatever that may be. |
| 17:56.18 | FieldySnuts | ~fuck oracle |
| 17:56.23 | greycat | Om3n: ask whoever was helping you originally. |
| 17:56.30 | dreamie | resiak, its what i had |
| 17:56.36 | FieldySnuts | fuck got removed ? ;/ |
| 17:56.38 | Om3n | he told me to do 2 things and dissapeared :\ |
| 17:56.41 | resiak | dreamie: *shrug* Whatever floats your boat. |
| 17:56.43 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: don't do that in nethack ;) |
| 17:56.54 | FieldySnuts | hahahahaha |
| 17:57.02 | greycat | apt: hi |
| 17:57.02 | apt | bonjour, greycat |
| 17:57.05 | dreamie | my installation failed |
| 17:57.09 | dreamie | :( |
| 17:57.14 | dreamie | how do i get the right one |
| 17:57.15 | FieldySnuts | vague? |
| 17:57.18 | resiak | !d-i dreamie |
| 17:57.19 | dpkg | dreamie, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:57.26 | Caelum | ok, I have to play nethack now, it's been years |
| 17:57.27 | mwilson | CyzarX: (a) I do not speak Moron. If you can, speak English. (b) I am telling you not to mess with the symlink because it is not necessary. That is the reason "why". |
| 17:57.35 | greycat | Caelum: telnet nethack.alt.org |
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| 17:57.59 | Caelum | greycat: cool thanks :) |
| 17:58.26 | CyzarX | resiak, thanks for your suggestion |
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| 17:58.42 | resiak | CyzarX: Did it just work? |
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| 17:58.51 | greycat | apt, fuck $1 is <action> fucks $1 ((gently|roughly|vigorously|lovingly|slowly), |)like a (porn star|(crazed |)(weasel|badger|bunny)(| in heat))(, (from behind|doggy-style)| with a ((glass |pink |rubber |giant |)dildo|(Hitachi |)vibrator))(|, and (comes|moans|pants) (softly|loudly)) |
| 17:58.52 | apt | greycat: please, watch your language. |
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| 17:59.06 | FieldySnuts | wtf? |
| 17:59.07 | resiak | apt++ |
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| 17:59.11 | cadu | i love you all ! |
| 17:59.13 | tarzeau | hahahah |
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| 17:59.16 | CyzarX | resiak, i yet to try that but i hope it will work. though the official doc mentioned using gcc 2.95. |
| 17:59.19 | FieldySnuts | since when is apt politically correct? |
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| 17:59.27 | FieldySnuts | lwame |
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| 17:59.35 | resiak | CyzarX: It should have no reason to need a compiler at all. |
| 17:59.41 | cadu | tarzeau: man, writing a patch and integrating it into a debian source is SO easy, debian is surely the best distro out there...impossible...unbeatable |
| 18:00.01 | FieldySnuts | fucking, ask oracle NOT US |
| 18:00.02 | FieldySnuts | christ |
| 18:00.04 | tarzeau | cadu: no it sucks, because it wants to follow FHS |
| 18:00.09 | CyzarX | resiak, why are u saying that? are u SURE that the oracle 9i isnt have anything to compile? :) |
| 18:00.13 | cadu | tarzeau: i wrote a xmms modification, produced a unified diff and included it on dpatch's debian/patches/ after patching the whole source with the other patches...works without a hitch |
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| 18:00.24 | tarzeau | cadu: which was written by people who can't see farther than a meter |
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| 18:00.26 | cadu | tarzeau: and what's wrong with that? |
| 18:00.32 | cadu | tarzeau: hmmm got it |
| 18:00.32 | tarzeau | cadu: it's bullshit |
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| 18:00.40 | cadu | tarzeau: the other distros are deviating from FHS ? |
| 18:00.40 | mwilson | CyzarX: Since you have no clue, why don' |
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| 18:00.43 | resiak | CyzarX: No, but why would it? It seems sensible to think it wouldn't. Just try it, and ask Oracle. |
| 18:00.48 | tarzeau | cadu: gobolinux doesn't follow FHS |
| 18:00.53 | tarzeau | cadu: i don't care for the others |
| 18:00.56 | mwilson | CyzarX: Since you have no clue, why don't you describe the problem you're trying to solve, and let someone give you a solution? |
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| 18:00.59 | FieldySnuts | FHS is idiotic |
| 18:01.01 | tarzeau | cadu: why are you so limited to "distros"? |
| 18:01.12 | tarzeau | cadu: don't you see there's Mac OS X, and Windows too? |
| 18:01.23 | tarzeau | cadu: i mean , I KNOW you want /My Programs |
| 18:01.24 | tarzeau | ;) |
| 18:01.30 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 18:01.31 | cadu | tarzeau: no i don't :) |
| 18:01.41 | CyzarX | resiak, thanks. :) i just ask around and gather more info before i start install 9i |
| 18:01.43 | kspath | I have never heard of Mac or Windblowz |
| 18:01.47 | cadu | tarzeau: i so love the 'shared' everything feeling in "/" systems :) |
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| 18:02.02 | FieldySnuts | kinda like that guy who had a win system in here with c:\ shared. writable. |
| 18:02.03 | cadu | tarzeau: i think /program files is a wasssste :) |
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| 18:02.06 | Slippy | ahh crap.. hate when I forget a word.. what's the name of a function that calls it self? |
| 18:02.11 | FieldySnuts | he kind of disappeared rather quickly heh |
| 18:02.14 | greycat | recursive |
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| 18:02.18 | CyzarX | mwilson, i already describe my problem just now? the symlink thing. and you ask me to not mess with it |
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| 18:02.38 | cadu | having a /usr/lib is soo nice ! |
| 18:02.45 | Slippy | greycat: thanks |
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| 18:02.50 | cadu | ^^ |
| 18:02.50 | InitMass | i can't uninstall apache2-common because it's complaining about broken packages. why can't synaptic remove it? |
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| 18:02.59 | kspath | what is oracle |
| 18:03.04 | cadu | spambots attacking again ;) |
| 18:03.05 | FieldySnuts | greycat: yeah! |
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| 18:03.09 | greycat | kspath: non-free commercial proprietary database, very expensive |
| 18:03.10 | FieldySnuts | kspath: if you don't know, you don't wanna know |
| 18:03.12 | kspath | I prefer PostgreSQL with MySQL a very close 2nd |
| 18:03.12 | Om3n | lakcaj, You back? |
| 18:03.16 | InitMass | kspath, a server |
| 18:03.18 | mwilson | CyzarX: *No*. That is *not* your problem. That is what *you* think the solution to some problem is. Since it is *not* the solution to whatever problem you have, tell us the *actual* problem, so that a solution can be found. |
| 18:03.20 | dreamie | anyone gonna help me pls |
| 18:03.27 | FieldySnuts | dreamie: with what? |
| 18:03.28 | cadu | !anyone |
| 18:03.28 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 18:03.29 | greycat | !ask |
| 18:03.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 18:03.40 | FieldySnuts | damn this channel is approaching flood levelx |
| 18:03.42 | FieldySnuts | levels |
| 18:03.49 | FieldySnuts | and I am not |
| 18:03.50 | FieldySnuts | helping much |
| 18:03.53 | dreamie | i am trying to install a net module and i dont know which one is the best |
| 18:03.58 | lakcaj | Om3n, the glxinfo you posted here shows that you have direct rendering, which is good. |
| 18:03.59 | resiak | !d-i dreamie |
| 18:04.00 | dpkg | dreamie, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 18:04.05 | cadu | FieldySnuts: ehehhe drowing ;) |
| 18:04.08 | wols | dreamie: do you know the chip on your NIC? |
| 18:04.11 | dreamie | the one i chose failed |
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| 18:04.16 | AptGet | anybody here set up an ati card using xorg? |
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| 18:04.20 | Om3n | lakcaj, but when i grepped direct i got nothing |
| 18:04.21 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 18:04.21 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:04.22 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 18:04.25 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 18:04.29 | jdhutchin1 | dreamie, then just use a standard kernel |
| 18:04.29 | lakcaj | Om3n, it was there, we all saw it |
| 18:04.30 | cadu | !anybody |
| 18:04.30 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 18:04.30 | Gnea | !anybody |
| 18:04.31 | cadu | :) |
| 18:04.34 | mwilson | CyzarX: Well? |
| 18:04.35 | FieldySnuts | ~annoy cadu |
| 18:04.40 | cadu | !kill FieldySnuts |
| 18:04.43 | FieldySnuts | poor slow apt |
| 18:04.50 | InitMass | i can't uninstall apache2-common because it's complaining about broken packages. why can't synaptic remove it? |
| 18:04.51 | FieldySnuts | Phated is the one into whips! |
| 18:04.52 | kspath | lspci can be useful for nics sound video other |
| 18:04.56 | Om3n | i'm not saying it's not but you gave me 2 commands to run glxinfo and grep direct |
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| 18:04.58 | dreamie | i have dlink dfe 690 |
| 18:04.59 | Coag | mwilson, i dont think he can reply he was banned |
| 18:05.00 | FieldySnuts | just ask Guerin . |
| 18:05.04 | Gnea | yeah she is |
| 18:05.04 | Om3n | grep direct did nothing for me |
| 18:05.08 | lakcaj | Om3n, so, I'm not sure why your game is so slow, as I don't use that card |
| 18:05.09 | Gnea | ow :/ |
| 18:05.15 | FieldySnuts | @anny cadu |
| 18:05.20 | FieldySnuts | damnit. |
| 18:05.26 | lakcaj | Om3n, run this, without the double quotes: "glxinfo | grep direct" |
| 18:05.35 | Om3n | it's only when i go into the game from the menu.. the menu runs about 30 fps where as in game 3 fps :\ |
| 18:05.36 | greycat | mwilson: I +q'd it. |
| 18:05.40 | Om3n | ok |
| 18:05.47 | Gnea | ah, finally, apic is enabled |
| 18:05.57 | wols | Om3n: get the latest drivers directly from intel and install those. that's your only choice, unless some crazy guy made an overclocking util for the i810 |
| 18:06.05 | dreamie | wols, did you get that? |
| 18:06.15 | greycat | he's trying to play NWN on an i810?? |
| 18:06.22 | Om3n | Yes :\ |
| 18:06.24 | wols | get what? |
| 18:06.24 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
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| 18:06.31 | dreamie | i have dlink dfe 690 |
| 18:06.39 | FieldySnuts | dreamie: I'm sorry |
| 18:06.41 | wols | dreamie: if you want to paste something, use pastebin |
| 18:06.48 | honschu | by the way: Is NWN a good game? |
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| 18:06.58 | Om3n | lakcaj, it says yes to direct rendering lol ... |
| 18:07.02 | greycat | honschu: only if you like AD&D 3rd edition mechanics |
| 18:07.09 | lakcaj | Om3n, I know :) |
| 18:07.12 | greycat | honschu: with extra added player-power to make it survivable |
| 18:07.13 | honschu | greycat: I do not know |
| 18:07.13 | Om3n | greycat, You t5ried NwN on a i810? |
| 18:07.20 | greycat | Om3n: hell no. |
| 18:07.43 | FieldySnuts | http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/151733.shtml?basin?large |
| 18:07.45 | greycat | I've never even tried it on *linux* |
| 18:07.47 | FieldySnuts | 1-2-3 indeed.... i hope not. |
| 18:07.56 | dreamie | so what kernal do i choose? |
| 18:08.03 | greycat | whichever one works |
| 18:08.05 | Om3n | wols, i tried grabbing the driver for it which intel told me it was the e100.... |
| 18:08.18 | wols | Om3n: e100 is a network card, not a video driver... |
| 18:08.32 | greycat | e100 is a good card, too |
| 18:08.36 | mwilson | greycat: Ah. |
| 18:08.37 | FieldySnuts | agreed |
| 18:08.41 | Om3n | orrr yea sry my bad... just in a mess of thoughts trying to get this game working ;) |
| 18:08.44 | wols | greycat: unlike i810 |
| 18:08.53 | honschu | Om3n: X.org has DRI-Drivers for you card. Why use Intel? |
| 18:08.56 | mwilson | greycat: Hey, you up for a completely OT oBSD question? |
| 18:08.57 | kspath | I have several e100pro nice |
| 18:09.06 | greycat | i810 is a low-end integrated everything-on-the-motherboard "solution" for saving money |
| 18:09.11 | justin | the e1000's are nice too :-) |
| 18:09.16 | cadu | greycat: solution :) |
| 18:09.19 | dreamie | is there another debian help channel? |
| 18:09.23 | wols | honschu: my guess is that manufacturer drivers, while proprietary are often better than Free ones unfortunately |
| 18:09.27 | cadu | justin: i got some e100000 lying around here |
| 18:09.32 | wols | and on a marginal system, evern % of performance counts |
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| 18:09.40 | Om3n | Well i wasn't sure what to us eto be honest i came here and was suggested i810 i'm still pretty new to this dist... or any dist for that matter |
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| 18:09.54 | justin | cadu: e10000 you mean |
| 18:09.57 | kspath | anyone have the intel dual gige and did debian see it correctly at install ? |
| 18:10.01 | honschu | dreamie: If you are from germany try debian.de |
| 18:11.15 | cadu | justin: e10000000 actually |
| 18:11.25 | cadu | justin: using water cooling on the chips |
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| 18:11.43 | tarzeau | is there a channel for drug consumers? |
| 18:11.49 | Om3n | honschu, Where might i find the drivers on that site? |
| 18:11.55 | cadu | tarzeau: #junkies ? |
| 18:12.04 | tarzeau | cadu: empty |
| 18:12.08 | justin | tarzeau: #e? :-) |
| 18:12.13 | cadu | tarzeau: #braindamaged ? |
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| 18:12.16 | cadu | tarzeau: #xmms ? |
| 18:12.20 | deltron | lol |
| 18:12.24 | ldexter | hahaha |
| 18:12.35 | deltron | #gentoo |
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| 18:12.41 | Gnea | lol |
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| 18:13.01 | cadu | greater voice of the master of known universe : "WE DON'T BASH OSES HERE" |
| 18:13.16 | Gnea | (even though windows sucks ass) |
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| 18:13.19 | dreamie | no |
| 18:13.19 | sward | Wha.. who said that? |
| 18:13.22 | dreamie | i am not from germany |
| 18:13.45 | Gnea | dreamie: who said you were? |
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| 18:14.23 | dreamie | can anyone help me find a net module for my computer? |
| 18:14.27 | Supaplex | jarjar binks says you is |
| 18:14.40 | mwilson | fsck |
| 18:14.45 | wols | dreamie: first step is to find out what network chip you have. do you know that? |
| 18:15.14 | Supaplex | dreamie: as in "inter" ? |
| 18:15.46 | Gnea | !tell dreamie about ask |
| 18:16.02 | Gnea | dreamie: lspci might show it |
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| 18:16.21 | wols | Gnea: yes but it might not be available on install |
| 18:16.24 | dreamie | wols, i told you i have a dlink dfe 690 |
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| 18:16.43 | Gnea | too many spammers |
| 18:16.44 | wols | dreamie: and that's not what I asked. I asked for the chip you use, not the brand of the card |
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| 18:17.00 | Gnea | wols: yeah but that's an indication |
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| 18:17.23 | Gnea | dreamie: what does lspci have to say about it? |
| 18:17.24 | wols | eek. pcmcia |
| 18:17.35 | Gnea | oooooh |
| 18:17.38 | TheBigfoot | hi |
| 18:17.39 | dreamie | gnea: what do you mean? |
| 18:17.41 | Gnea | yeah i just saw that |
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| 18:17.55 | Gnea | dreamie: i mean, type 'lspci' and does it say anything about the card? |
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| 18:18.12 | dreamie | the laptop is in the middle of debian installation |
| 18:18.16 | dreamie | i cant type lspci |
| 18:18.28 | Supaplex | alt+f2 |
| 18:18.30 | dreamie | wols: how do i find out about the chip |
| 18:18.34 | kspath | < quits quitting |
| 18:18.42 | Gnea | dreamie: google it |
| 18:18.50 | dreamie | lspci not found |
| 18:18.52 | wols | dreamie: google. http://tuxmobil.org/pcmcia_ci10491.html is one of the results |
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| 18:19.01 | wols | dreamie: have you PCMCIA packages loaded |
| 18:19.02 | wols | ? |
| 18:19.08 | nkuttler | dreamie: install pciutils |
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| 18:19.24 | dreamie | wols: no |
| 18:19.26 | Gnea | nods* |
| 18:19.41 | dreamie | nkuttler, how without a network card running |
| 18:19.51 | nkuttler | dreamie: floppies? |
| 18:19.53 | wols | dreamie: well since it's a card on a PC-Card you better have, no? |
| 18:20.06 | Gnea | nkuttler: it'll be installed by the time it's done |
| 18:20.15 | Supaplex | we hope. :) |
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| 18:20.34 | Gnea | you hope, i know ;) |
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| 18:20.36 | soldiar | can somebody help me? the JBuilder don't want me to install it. and I don't know why. http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=47414 my system is amd64 debian sarge ("2.6.8-11-amd64-k8") |
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| 18:21.19 | dreamie | nkuttler, i have 2 different computers |
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| 18:21.38 | Supaplex | ah ha! they're different! |
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| 18:21.49 | dreamie | nkuttler, trying to install debian on laptop which currently have no network access |
| 18:21.50 | Giuly | where can i get a suitable sources.list for sid? |
| 18:21.52 | Gnea | dreamie: thus you can open a web browser on the second computer to locate the answer - hey, try the 8139too modules |
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| 18:22.09 | nkuttler | dreamie: concentrate on the problem, not me |
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| 18:22.13 | zephyrus | is this normal when you have a woody with 2.2 and upgrade it to 2.6, with the same config for lilo, just insert the new kernel image to the config, rung lilo, and in the lilo menu when you boot the 2.2 it works fine, and when you boot 2.6 it says: VFS: cannot mount rootFS? |
| 18:22.13 | dreamie | i did try 8139too module and i got a message that it failed |
| 18:22.26 | Gnea | dreamie: well what kernel did you use to install with? |
| 18:22.29 | lakcaj | Is it possible to use apt or dpkg to remove all packages that were installed from a specific repository? |
| 18:22.39 | Supaplex | Giuly: people that are experienced enough to run sid should know that already. |
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| 18:22.51 | davis | hello |
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| 18:23.00 | AptGet | hello |
| 18:23.19 | davis | i am trying to play a dvd with xine. It appears I dont have the encryption plugin for dvds. where do I get it? |
| 18:23.24 | dreamie | through the menu. i just picked it and it said it failed |
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| 18:23.33 | AptGet | davis: libdvdcss |
| 18:23.36 | lakcaj | !tell davis about marillat |
| 18:23.58 | Rus0 | get this error loading a kernel module |
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| 18:24.12 | Rus0 | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.12.5/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 18:24.12 | Rus0 | failed. |
| 18:24.12 | dreamie | installation fail |
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| 18:24.22 | Rus0 | any ideas? |
| 18:24.25 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 18:24.25 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little vegemite, and 42 rabid hamsters. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 18:24.33 | greycat | fglrx = CRAP. |
| 18:24.36 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: hi |
| 18:24.37 | Gnea | heh |
| 18:24.39 | greycat | there's my idea. |
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| 18:24.54 | tarzeau | someone knows swiss german, in here? |
| 18:24.59 | nkuttler | Rus0: you need to be root |
| 18:24.59 | Rus0 | haha |
| 18:25.11 | Rus0 | im using su |
| 18:25.12 | AptGet | greycat: whats wrong with fglrx.....people need video |
| 18:25.12 | Gnea | greycat: they really jammed that cactus plant deep into your anal cavity this morning didn't they |
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| 18:25.29 | Rus0 | right |
| 18:25.48 | mwilson | greycat: Hey, you up for a completely OT oBSD question? You can always "just say no". ^_^ |
| 18:25.58 | AptGet | Rus0: you got the drivers from the ati site right? |
| 18:26.05 | Rus0 | right |
| 18:26.09 | Rus0 | the exec |
| 18:26.12 | dreamie | ok so 8139too kernal installation failed. why? and what am i doing wrong? |
| 18:26.32 | Gnea | dreamie: you're not using google. |
| 18:26.35 | AptGet | Rus0: i had a problem getting them to work with xorg......your using xorg right |
| 18:26.42 | Rus0 | nope |
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| 18:26.47 | Rus0 | Xfree |
| 18:26.50 | Rus0 | 4.3 |
| 18:27.08 | greycat | mwilson: I'm going back and forth. My wife needs windows reinstalled on her laptop. |
| 18:27.12 | AptGet | Rus0: did you run fglrxconfig |
| 18:27.12 | Giuly | Supaplex Giuly: people that are experienced enough to run sid should know that already. <-- thx for you help, but my sources.list still gives out "404" |
| 18:27.15 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: What is it? We can always take it to #openbsd if it gets distracting. |
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| 18:27.21 | Rus0 | yep |
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| 18:27.29 | magyar | dreamie: wrong chipset on you nic |
| 18:27.37 | greycat | Rus0: what card? |
| 18:27.38 | Rus0 | atthought the config didnt work |
| 18:27.45 | Gnea | dreamie: oh, plus you're not answering questions |
| 18:27.47 | AptGet | Rus0: did you run it as root? |
| 18:27.50 | greycat | if it's NOT a brand new radeon, X.org will probably give you everything fglrx would. |
| 18:27.50 | mwilson | greycat: Now, why does that surprise me. Why does she use Windows? |
| 18:27.55 | Rus0 | radeon 9000 pro |
| 18:27.57 | greycat | mwilson: shiny. |
| 18:28.03 | Rus0 | yes from su |
| 18:28.03 | greycat | Rus0: /msg dpkg sarge xorg |
| 18:28.10 | greycat | bah. |
| 18:28.12 | mwilson | \Heh |
| 18:28.16 | greycat | !xorg sarge |
| 18:28.16 | dpkg | i guess xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 18:28.17 | Gnea | when someone asks you "what kernel did you boot with", you tell them |
| 18:28.17 | greycat | that. |
| 18:28.23 | dreamie | gnea: what questions? ask away |
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| 18:28.40 | Gnea | dreamie: what kernel did you boot with for the install? |
| 18:28.44 | Rus0 | greycat: why do i need it? |
| 18:28.45 | mwilson | greycat: I have a network question... but it's not any sort of important. I'll keep. |
| 18:28.52 | davis | thanks a bunch |
| 18:28.54 | dreamie | gnea: i dont know |
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| 18:28.59 | greycat | Rus0: because it means YOU DO NOT NEED FGLRX! |
| 18:29.04 | dreamie | dreamie: how can i asnwer that question? |
| 18:29.06 | Gnea | dreamie: alt-f2, hit enter, cat /proc/version |
| 18:29.07 | greycat | x.org can do 3d accel on a Radeon 9000. |
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| 18:29.13 | greycat | WITHOUT fglrx shit. |
| 18:29.21 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: What is it? There are other OpenBSD users here you know. |
| 18:29.23 | Rus0 | thanx |
| 18:29.37 | AptGet | greycat: xorg didnt do shit for my 3d accel |
| 18:29.43 | greycat | direct rendering: Yes |
| 18:29.43 | dreamie | linux verios 2.2.20-idepci |
| 18:29.48 | greycat | !pal dreamie |
| 18:29.52 | Gnea | oh my |
| 18:29.55 | greycat | well, at least it's debian. |
| 18:29.57 | dreamie | is that it gnea? |
| 18:30.04 | Gnea | dreamie: that sounds like woody - you need sarge |
| 18:30.10 | greycat | dreamie: that's the default (you just hit etner and didn't read the docs) kernel in debian 3.0 |
| 18:30.11 | dreamie | stop it greycat...dont laugh at me |
| 18:30.20 | Gnea | dreamie: yeah, you got it right |
| 18:30.22 | greycat | dreamie: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 18:30.32 | greycat | dreamie: better yet, upgrade to sarge |
| 18:30.57 | dreamie | can i upgrade with no network? |
| 18:30.58 | Gnea | dreamie: or, see if you can reboot and start over - at the boot: prompt type in 'linux24' and hit enter - that *might* work |
| 18:31.09 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: No, actually, I didn't know that. :) |
| 18:31.10 | greycat | why would you have a debian box without a network? |
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| 18:31.28 | Gnea | greycat: cuz it's obviously a laptop and the only network on it is a pcmcia card |
| 18:31.30 | dreamie | because i was trying to install the damn thing greycat |
| 18:31.33 | greycat | and you clearly DO have a network if you're talking to us |
| 18:31.39 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: So what's your question. Already. |
| 18:31.44 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: :) |
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| 18:31.48 | magyar | Gnea: why not use the current stable linux26 |
| 18:32.03 | greycat | magyar: there's a stable 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:32.04 | dreamie | greycat, i am talking to you on anotger computer...the laptop has no network |
| 18:32.05 | Gnea | magyar: pay attention - woody |
| 18:32.25 | magyar | greycat: sarge |
| 18:32.31 | greycat | dreamie: so, why did you install woody on it? |
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| 18:32.34 | AptGet | dreamie: you should upgrade to sarge |
| 18:32.36 | magyar | Gnea: my mistake |
| 18:32.41 | Rus0 | dpkg gives no output |
| 18:32.49 | Gnea | greycat: do you have to continue to ask obviously retarded questions? |
| 18:32.52 | dreamie | so i have to download sarge now? |
| 18:32.59 | dreamie | my debian version is too old? |
| 18:33.06 | greycat | dreamie: you could live with what you have if you like. |
| 18:33.06 | Gnea | dreamie: it might help |
| 18:33.08 | cdtcpl | I am having problems seeing another computer on my server. I am using Debian 3.1 and the other computer is using XP. I have been able to see it in the past, what may be the problem or how can I search for it? |
| 18:33.19 | magyar | dreamie: whould you still use windows 3.1? |
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| 18:33.20 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: I've got a oBSD box doing firewall/router duty. It has an internal interface, and an external interface going to a cable modem. Now we're adding a second cable modem on a second external interface. Howinhell do I set the gateway address on the second interface? |
| 18:33.23 | dreamie | can you pls post a url where i can download sarge? |
| 18:33.25 | AptGet | dreamie: woody has VERY old software |
| 18:33.29 | Gnea | dreamie: like i said, you could try the installation again with the linux24 option |
| 18:33.33 | dvs | dreamie: woody won't be supported for much longer |
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| 18:33.39 | Gnea | dreamie: it's up to you |
| 18:33.40 | greycat | Gnea: it's spelled bf24 or bg2.4 |
| 18:33.40 | dvs | !dir dreamie |
| 18:33.42 | greycat | bf* |
| 18:33.42 | AptGet | dreamie: go to debian.org |
| 18:33.44 | wols_ | dreamie: you have to install it with "linux24", then woody probably works. with the default 2.2 kernel it won't |
| 18:33.49 | Gnea | greycat: oh yeah.. it's been awhile |
| 18:33.50 | dvs | !tell dreamie -about d-i |
| 18:33.51 | greycat | wols_: bf2.4 not linux24 |
| 18:34.00 | wols_ | greycat: sorry. my bad |
| 18:34.07 | paulswm | OT, but if anyone here has family in New Orleans, we in FL are praying for you all |
| 18:34.12 | dreamie | ok..i am gonna throw away the debian version i have |
| 18:34.14 | dreamie | and get sarge |
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| 18:34.26 | AptGet | what happened in new orleans |
| 18:34.28 | Gnea | dreamie: yeah, greycat actually said something intelligent for once - it's bf24 or bf2.4 (it's been quite awhile) |
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| 18:34.35 | Gnea | AptGet: they're evacuating |
| 18:34.37 | jethro | greycat: no . :) |
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| 18:34.45 | AptGet | Gnea: hurricane? |
| 18:34.47 | paulswm | AptGet: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/28/hurricane.katrina/index.html |
| 18:34.49 | Gnea | dreamie: good luck with that |
| 18:34.53 | magyar | ohh no marty grow |
| 18:34.54 | Gnea | AptGet: yeah, Category 5 |
| 18:34.55 | cdtcpl | I am having problems seeing another computer on my server. I am using Debian 3.1 and the other computer is using XP. I have been able to see it in the past, what may be the problem or how can I search for it? |
| 18:34.58 | Gnea | AptGet: the strongest |
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| 18:35.28 | Gnea | ok, it's almost time to get cleaned up and order some pizza |
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| 18:35.31 | paulswm | There is a danger that deaths may be in the thousands by this time tomorrow |
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| 18:35.34 | cusco | hi |
| 18:35.35 | AptGet | cdtcpl: do you have samba installed |
| 18:35.43 | magyar | Gnea: roger that |
| 18:35.49 | Gnea | paulswm: well yeah, it's already claimed several in florida |
| 18:35.55 | paulswm | Only six |
| 18:36.00 | mwilson | Seven |
| 18:36.01 | Gnea | that's pretty good |
| 18:36.01 | paulswm | And it was a cat 1 then |
| 18:36.07 | Gnea | lol |
| 18:36.09 | mwilson | At least, I'd heard it was seven. |
| 18:36.11 | Navlop | having problem with samba |
| 18:36.11 | cusco | while using debootstrap --arch i386 sid I got an error: |
| 18:36.11 | Rus0 | greycat: /msg dpkg sarge xorg didnt work |
| 18:36.12 | cusco | E: Couldn't download libsigc++-1.2-5c102 |
| 18:36.15 | Gnea | and that's just an 'official' count |
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| 18:36.18 | Rus0 | is it correct? |
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| 18:36.20 | EdLin | !lol |
| 18:36.20 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line. Everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a Knoppix user. |
| 18:36.21 | greycat | Rus0: pay attention. |
| 18:36.24 | greycat | !xorg sarge |
| 18:36.24 | dpkg | [xorg sarge] http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 18:36.25 | magyar | last they were claiming cat 5 |
| 18:36.27 | mwilson | But even during Camille, the toll was less than 200. |
| 18:36.38 | magyar | cat5e |
| 18:36.42 | paulswm | New Orlenas is going to experience a 20+ foot storm surge, and it is 6 feet below sea level, it's doing to be under water for months |
| 18:36.43 | greycat | Rus0: I said "bah" and then queried the bot directly with the corrected one. |
| 18:36.50 | Gnea | the bottom line is it fscking sucks |
| 18:36.52 | Rus0 | right thanx |
| 18:37.04 | Gnea | paulswm: it's possible... |
| 18:37.08 | Supaplex | too bad google earth doesn't do real time :) |
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| 18:37.19 | dreamie | ok |
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| 18:37.23 | EmleyMoor | How do I prevent a network interface from DHCPing when there's no cable connected? |
| 18:37.23 | dreamie | sorry to ask more question |
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| 18:37.25 | paulswm | mwilson: FEMA gamed a cat 4 or 5 hit on New Orleans as generating 40,00 - 60,000 casualties |
| 18:37.28 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Breakfast and stuff. :) I'd just stick the route statments in /etc/rc.local. Of course, I'd guess that what you really want is carp. Which I don't know very well yet. |
| 18:37.29 | dreamie | but which sarge do i download? |
| 18:37.29 | magyar | i was in nashville a few weeks ago and it was 96F, this could bring some changes |
| 18:37.34 | Gnea | look, there's some sand, go bury your head in it ;) |
| 18:37.40 | dreamie | netinst cd image |
| 18:37.42 | Gnea | dreamie: i386 |
| 18:37.42 | dreamie | businesscard |
| 18:37.45 | Gnea | oooh |
| 18:37.49 | dreamie | full cd sets |
| 18:37.52 | mwilson | paulswm: No offense, but FEMA couldn't guess that 2+2=4. |
| 18:37.55 | EmleyMoor | dreamie: What do you mean "which sarge"? Just choose whichever is more suitable |
| 18:37.57 | AptGet | yeah if google earth did real time that would be sweet.........but they need a linux version first |
| 18:37.57 | EdLin | dreamie: netinst |
| 18:38.01 | magyar | dreamie: netinstall |
| 18:38.01 | dvs | dreamie: Depends if you want to download the packages from the net or not |
| 18:38.10 | Gnea | dreamie: just get the first cd of the set |
| 18:38.21 | paulswm | mwilson: I'm assuming that their simulation did not account for evacuation |
| 18:38.22 | dvs | I agree with Gnea |
| 18:38.24 | greycat | !punish 2.4.27 for not driving the wife's RTL8169 properly |
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| 18:38.38 | Gnea | dreamie: if the nic isn't detectable then you'll be better off installing things off of the cd for the time being |
| 18:38.38 | dreamie | dvs, prefer to download package from net at this point |
| 18:38.52 | dvs | dreamie: Netinstall or first sarge CD |
| 18:38.53 | Rus0 | greycat: i'm using eth |
| 18:38.57 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: No, I don't want CARP. The idea is that one subnet on the internal interface gets traffic for the outside routed on one enternal interface, the other, goes out the other interface. |
| 18:39.00 | magyar | Gnea: realtek i think it should be just fine |
| 18:39.02 | Gnea | dreamie: granted, i prefer netinstall as well :) |
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| 18:39.07 | EmleyMoor | businesscard will do if your network connection is good and supported |
| 18:39.13 | Gnea | magyar: it's a coin toss |
| 18:39.14 | magyar | Gnea: if it would be sk98lin i would be worried |
| 18:39.20 | AptGet | does google earth work with wine? |
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| 18:39.22 | Gnea | hahahahaha |
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| 18:39.31 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: I've not been able to get the routing right. I can't even ping addresses on the network the second external IP is part of. |
| 18:39.32 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: In that case the right place to put the routes would be /etc/rc.local. |
| 18:39.33 | EmleyMoor | AptGet: Reputedly, yes |
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| 18:39.56 | Gnea | dreamie: it's up to you, you can try it and see what happens |
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| 18:40.13 | Gnea | dreamie: my suggestion at boottime is use the latest kernel on there - the linux26 option will do that |
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| 18:40.21 | cusco | while using debootstrap --arch i386 sid I got an error: E: Couldn't download libsigc++-1.2-5c102 |
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| 18:40.29 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Make a drawing put it someplace I can look at it and highlight me when you have all that. |
| 18:40.29 | cusco | where can I find an alternative mirror? |
| 18:40.31 | magyar | dreamie: a 20MB downlaod and an hour of install. |
| 18:40.32 | Gnea | cusco: heh, sid |
| 18:40.40 | cusco | Gnea: ow |
| 18:40.47 | ouchiko | Hi, anyone help me. Im trying to setup two ethernet cards. eth0 is connected fine and running from dhcp, trying to bring up eth1 - it fails to come up if i set as dhcp or static.. |
| 18:40.49 | cusco | should't I? |
| 18:40.57 | Gnea | cusco: yeah, it's really bad right now |
| 18:41.06 | cusco | oh ok |
| 18:41.10 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: How much time do you have? :) |
| 18:41.12 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Along with it's netstat -rnf inet. |
| 18:41.17 | Gnea | cusco: stick to sarge or etch for the time being |
| 18:41.17 | mwilson | (/me is a lousy artist) |
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| 18:41.27 | Gnea | cusco: i had the same problem last week |
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| 18:41.50 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: I'm here most of the time. Just a quick ASCII diagram more than good enough. |
| 18:41.56 | magyar | anyone know if there is a better installer that March 2005? |
| 18:42.38 | cusco | Gnea: oki dooki |
| 18:42.38 | greycat | !d-i magyar |
| 18:42.38 | dpkg | magyar, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:42.38 | mwilson | Ok, let us see what we can do up here... |
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| 18:42.46 | stvn | hi any DEC/alpha gurus around? |
| 18:42.48 | magyar | greycat: march 2005 for sarge, but thanks anyway |
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| 18:43.13 | dvs | magyar: You can't get more recent than sarge |
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| 18:43.37 | magyar | dvs: i need something with 2.6.11 or 12 |
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| 18:44.08 | Supaplex | magyar: you are using the linux26 boot option, right? |
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| 18:44.15 | xerophyte | how can i say wget to resume the download |
| 18:44.19 | justin | mwilson: you've seen http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/pools.html#outgoing right? |
| 18:44.22 | greycat | OK, knoppix26 (from 3.7) can drive the RTL8169 |
| 18:44.30 | Supaplex | xerophyte: man wget =) |
| 18:44.32 | abrotman | xerophyte: read the man page |
| 18:44.41 | magyar | Supaplex: yeah, and it does just about jack shit on 955 intel chipset |
| 18:44.44 | jethro | xerophyte: man wget /-cont |
| 18:44.48 | AptGet | how do i browse samba in konqeror? |
| 18:44.57 | scarynetworkguy | justin: Not what he wants. |
| 18:45.08 | jethro | oops |
| 18:45.14 | justin | scarynetworkguy: what he wants is a subset of that, no? |
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| 18:45.31 | Supaplex | magyar: you could roll your own |
| 18:45.34 | sosos | Hi |
| 18:45.42 | sosos | is Debian 3.1 a good book? |
| 18:45.49 | sosos | 3.1 bible |
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| 18:45.52 | fken | xaen is a bo who propose me to goto a sex website |
| 18:45.58 | dvs | sosos: Exactly title and author please |
| 18:45.59 | magyar | Supaplex: yeah right, not that smart of a fool |
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| 18:46.04 | xerophyte | thx |
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| 18:46.09 | sosos | a second dvs |
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| 18:46.18 | lemmy | hi |
| 18:46.18 | scarynetworkguy | justin: No. That's loadbalancing. More or less the opposite of what he wants. |
| 18:46.19 | EmleyMoor | fken: /mode fken +E |
| 18:46.26 | magyar | Supaplex: winxp for know |
| 18:46.28 | magyar | :) |
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| 18:46.30 | lunixnub | I just did an install, eth0 is recognized but doesn't appear to be configured... what is a good way to diagnose the issue? |
| 18:46.40 | sosos | DVS: Debian GNU /Linux 3.1 Bible Authors David B. Harris, Benjamin Mako Hill, Jaldhar Vyas |
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| 18:46.44 | lunixnub | it won't pick up addy from my DHCP server |
| 18:46.49 | Supaplex | magyar: so... what is it not doing you expect it to do? |
| 18:46.59 | justin | scarynetworkguy: eh? what he wants is the load balancing just with harcoded routes instead of round-robin |
| 18:47.08 | fken | EmleyMoor : whats that ? |
| 18:47.08 | magyar | Supaplex: install |
| 18:47.27 | Supaplex | magyar: where does it stop? what's the hangup? |
| 18:47.33 | dvs | magyar: Network install from built-in NIC? |
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| 18:47.34 | magyar | Supaplex: it wont see any "partitionable media" |
| 18:47.34 | lemmy | i have some problems with exim4-daemon-light under sarge. sending mail to smtp server with tls isnt working. sending mail without tls encryption works flawlessly however. i cant pinpoint the problem. logs just say "gnutls_handshake: time out". |
| 18:47.37 | lemmy | any hints? |
| 18:47.38 | EmleyMoor | fken: Prevents you getting messages from users who are not registered with NickServ |
| 18:47.46 | dvs | Ah ICH6 |
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| 18:47.55 | magyar | dvs: ICH7 |
| 18:48.06 | justin | lemmy: does the remote server support tls? |
| 18:48.08 | sosos | Is that book any good or should I go elsewhere? |
| 18:48.13 | dvs | Then what's ICH6? |
| 18:48.15 | fken | oh ok but the others wont be able to write any message to me ...poor guys |
| 18:48.16 | magyar | dvs: ICH6 is a piece of cake |
| 18:48.24 | EmleyMoor | fken: If they |
| 18:48.25 | lemmy | justin: yes, i tried with several servers. |
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| 18:48.26 | magyar | dvs: 925 |
| 18:48.34 | EmleyMoor | fken: If they register with NickServ they will |
| 18:48.35 | dvs | Oh... ok |
| 18:48.59 | fken | Im still having my trouble with my SB 7.1 24bits and with my GeForce6600 |
| 18:49.36 | SerajewelKS | what software does dpkg use? |
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| 18:49.37 | magyar | dvs: in the mean time am fscked |
| 18:49.52 | sosos | :( |
| 18:50.02 | Supaplex | !blotbot |
| 18:50.02 | dpkg | blotbot is, like, learn how to type, see blootbot, with TWO o's silly. |
| 18:50.07 | Nei | could someone point me to an instruction of how to install some testing packages in stable (I don't want to compile them) |
| 18:50.09 | Supaplex | !blootbot |
| 18:50.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, blootbot is a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 18:50.10 | dvs | magyar: If you have a spear USB drive around, you could try and do a USB install |
| 18:50.12 | Supaplex | :) |
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| 18:50.34 | AptGet | how do i browse my windows xp shared folders? |
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| 18:50.42 | sosos | Guess no one read that debian 3.1 bible book |
| 18:50.45 | greycat | AptGet: samba |
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| 18:50.50 | fken | wahou : Im wondering if there is not a problem with the installation of alsa under 64bits arch |
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| 18:50.56 | AptGet | greycat: i installed samba |
| 18:51.02 | AptGet | greycat: now what? |
| 18:51.03 | magyar | dvs: its a flip, still ich7 |
| 18:51.06 | magyar | on usb |
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| 18:51.32 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Take a look at that. It's very simple. :) |
| 18:51.47 | jonkri | can i get the kernel source for the vanilla debian kernel? i need it to compile a module. 2.4.27-2-586tsc |
| 18:51.50 | dvs | magyar: There are instuctions on the Debian website to make a custom USB drive image, including a custom kernel. |
| 18:52.00 | fken | is it normal to have a repertory like that one : /usr/src/alsa-driver/modules/alsa-driver |
| 18:52.01 | chealer | AptGet: are you using KDE? |
| 18:52.08 | AptGet | chealer: yes i am |
| 18:52.26 | wols_ | jonkri: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 18:52.26 | magyar | dvs: i'll try it out, thx |
| 18:52.34 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Coolness. Looking now. |
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| 18:52.44 | wols_ | jonkri: the .config file used for your kernel is in /boot as config-2.4.27-2-586tsc |
| 18:52.49 | chealer | AptGet: try smb://foo |
| 18:52.51 | jonkri | wols_: so i can compile against that source? |
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| 18:53.08 | wols_ | jonkri: yes. it's the exact source which was used for your current kernel |
| 18:53.18 | AptGet | chealer: yeah i tried that....no sucess |
| 18:53.22 | magyar | dvs: one thing that doesnt make sence is, why unstable doesnt have a newer installer |
| 18:53.23 | wols_ | jonkri: and use kernel-package to build it |
| 18:53.24 | magyar | ? |
| 18:53.26 | Jackel | Seem to be having a problem if anyone has a minute, a solution would be greatly appreciated Problem: failing to execute couple programs from menu(even on root), when trying to download using the browser's manager : browser closes and the download manager does not appear. |
| 18:53.36 | jonkri | wols_: i have to build it but not install it? |
| 18:53.50 | chealer | AptGet: hum...what happened? |
| 18:53.55 | dvs | magyar: Why create a new installer when a release date hasn't even been considered? |
| 18:53.56 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Oh, the internal IPs on xl0 are 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.1.1 ... forgot to put that in there, if it's not obvious from the routing. |
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| 18:54.09 | deepan | is there a front end for writing html code in linux.. ? |
| 18:54.10 | fantomas | Hi. I'm on sarge and want to install Xorg from backports. Will it break my Xfree86 and will I be able to back to sarge's Xfree86 after experiments? |
| 18:54.14 | AptGet | chealer: nope nevermind its working] |
| 18:54.23 | magyar | dvs: that went over my head, you mean release for etch |
| 18:54.25 | AptGet | chealer: must have misspelled : ) |
| 18:54.29 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Yeah. Makes sense. |
| 18:54.32 | magyar | dvs: am talking sid |
| 18:54.34 | jonkri | note: i don't want to build a kernel... i want to use the default kernel. i just want to build this module |
| 18:54.34 | mwilson | fantomas: Yes, and no. |
| 18:54.34 | chealer | deepan: yes |
| 18:54.35 | skate | fantomas: backup everything in /etc/X11 |
| 18:54.42 | sosos | cya |
| 18:54.43 | jonkri | kernel-source or kernel-tree? |
| 18:54.48 | deepan | chealer: please name it .. |
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| 18:54.59 | dvs | magyar: Sid will never be released so why create an installer for Sid? |
| 18:55.03 | chealer | jonkri: not kernel-tree |
| 18:55.05 | fantomas | skate: hm, X.org uses same conf dirs? |
| 18:55.13 | chealer | jonkri: usually modules need kernel headers |
| 18:55.23 | fantomas | mwilson: "no" is of higher interest :) |
| 18:55.24 | skate | they both use /etc/X11, yes |
| 18:55.33 | fantomas | skate: ok, thanks |
| 18:55.52 | MoDaX | jonkri: install appropriate kernel-headers-<kernelversion> package |
| 18:56.05 | magyar | dvs: am a deer in the headlights, how can you test something that is currently released with a 6 months old installer? |
| 18:56.10 | MoDaX | jonkri: it will have everything you need to compile a module |
| 18:56.14 | fantomas | mwilson: it means I won't restore system? |
| 18:56.14 | fken | ok i fund the problem with my soundcard by compiling alsa and i need you to explain me whats that problem : checking for kernel version... The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist. |
| 18:56.18 | jonkri | MoDaX: thanks :D |
| 18:56.21 | fken | does anyone know ? |
| 18:56.36 | magyar | dvs: atleast recognize sata |
| 18:57.06 | wols_ | fken: install kernel headers |
| 18:57.15 | dvs | magyar: The sarge installer can recognize SATA via the "linux26" boot option. But I think the ICH7 chipset is still to new for Sarge |
| 18:57.25 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: I thought this was going to be simple, but it's not turning out to be so. :( |
| 18:57.27 | MoDaX | fken: your kernel source is clean |
| 18:57.32 | wols_ | fken: this file is usually created when you compile your own kernel, and all kernel modules (like alsa) need it |
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| 18:57.47 | fken | only the headers ? ok ill do it but i must precize i dunno where the source of the 2.6.11-9 kernel are and its annoying |
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| 18:58.17 | magyar | dvs: i had major problems with ich6, sata in basic mode yes but any advance AHCI modes forget it |
| 18:58.17 | fken | (ps : im using 64bits arch) |
| 18:58.46 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Yeah. It's one of those things that sounds easy but really is not... |
| 18:58.57 | wols_ | fken: doesn't matter. it's the same evreywhere |
| 18:59.03 | magyar | dvs: after the boot the system would freez, untill i quckly got the latest 2.6. kernel for sarge |
| 18:59.09 | magyar | dvs: with smp |
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| 18:59.36 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Well, i've been reading the load-balancing section of the PF documentation... *that* will be easy to actually get working (PF, I mean), but right now, I can't even get traffic through the second interface. |
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| 18:59.59 | MoDaX | fken: kernel-headers-<kernelversion> is enough if you only want to compile alsa. btw, module-assistant is the debian way to compile debianized modules |
| 19:00.07 | magyar | dvs: not to many folks are buying pentium 3's anymore |
| 19:00.11 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: It's working... if I tcpdump it, I can generate traffic from outside TO it, but that's all. |
| 19:00.21 | mwilson | magyar: Actually, many people are. |
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| 19:00.36 | dvs | mwilson: Yeah, Petium M |
| 19:00.37 | mwilson | magyar: What did you think a Pentium M was, anyway? |
| 19:00.40 | magyar | mwilson: my mistake |
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| 19:01.08 | chealer | deepan: there are several, such as Nvu and Bluefish |
| 19:01.13 | magyar | mwilson: i wasnt referencing the processor, more like the mb architecture |
| 19:01.20 | fantomas | mwilson: would you provide a bit more explanations toward your point? What's wrong with installing X.org from backports? What if I backup /etc/X11/ as skate suggested? |
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| 19:01.45 | EmleyMoor | fantomas: Do you *need* X.org? |
| 19:01.47 | mwilson | fantomas: Did I say there was anything wrong with it? No? I didn't think so. |
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| 19:02.09 | mwilson | fantomas: And I have no idea what backing up /etc/X11 is supposed to do. |
| 19:02.13 | greycat | !xorg sarge |
| 19:02.13 | dpkg | xorg sarge is, like, http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 19:02.15 | nfm | i have an nForce3 mainboard - anyone know where i can find information on where to install drivers for the on-board sound and ethernet? |
| 19:02.22 | greycat | mwilson: backing up is always wise. |
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| 19:02.31 | fantomas | mwilson: then I misreaded? You said yes and no. According to my question this means Yes - it will break Xfree86 and No - I can't revert to Xfree86 :) |
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| 19:02.34 | wols_ | nfm: get a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:02.38 | justin | mwilson: are the two interfaces on different subnets? |
| 19:02.43 | mwilson | greycat: <shrug> Back up the whole bloody machine, play all you like, restore backup when you're done. |
| 19:02.46 | MoDaX | fantomas: it will be a bit difficult to downgrade if you want to go back |
| 19:02.48 | skate | i suggested backing it up because he's going to come back to xfree86 when xorg breaks. |
| 19:02.48 | mwilson | justin: Yes. |
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| 19:03.02 | mwilson | justin: The external ones are. |
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| 19:03.08 | fken | argh it still doesnt work... i dunno why / but your advice is right : Im able to finish configuring make and make install but alsamixer doesnt work |
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| 19:03.08 | wols_ | nfm: the network driver is nvnet and the only sound driver is i810 (aka AC97) |
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| 19:03.09 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Yeah. The loadbalancing bit is easy enough. And yeah you can get it in for sure. The problem being that you really do need a route that is not easy. |
| 19:03.25 | fantomas | EmleyMoor: need to test will my graphic card be more happy then now |
| 19:03.26 | nfm | thanks, that's what i needed to know |
| 19:03.30 | MoDaX | fantomas: you will have to mess with /etc/apt/preferences or think of other wyas |
| 19:03.33 | justin | mwilson: what does your routing table look like? |
| 19:03.37 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Yeah, I've not been able to figure out how to set things up. |
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| 19:03.39 | MoDaX | ways* |
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| 19:03.52 | chealer | wols_: nvnet? ugh |
| 19:04.05 | wols_ | chealer: so what else would you use with nforce networking? |
| 19:04.12 | wols_ | ouch, my bad |
| 19:04.25 | wols_ | nfm: disregard what I said about ethernet. use forcedeth |
| 19:04.27 | chealer | forcedeth |
| 19:04.29 | MoDaX | wols_: forcedeth |
| 19:04.32 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: I'd be happy if I could ping the 202.33 gateway from the 202.46 IP... but I can't even make that work. |
| 19:04.33 | greycat | I love that driver name. |
| 19:04.45 | magyar | dvs: dont get me wrong i got noda agains the release, i love debian, ever seince i got my hands on it in january |
| 19:04.47 | chealer | hehe |
| 19:05.10 | Diguinho | can anybody help me with a problem in gnome? Inserting media (cdrom, compact flash) is not mouting automatically.. gnome-volume-manager is already running.. |
| 19:05.23 | dvs | magyar: I know but there's so much danger about purchasing the latest and greatest for Linux |
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| 19:05.30 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: The fxp0 IP is assigned via DHCP from the cable co. The aue0 IP is static. |
| 19:05.37 | dvs | magyar: You have to wait for the kernel to catch up |
| 19:05.50 | magyar | dvs: am in the hw industry, i get it for testing |
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| 19:06.12 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: I wanted the second one to be DHCP also, but I went through so much grief getting them to INSTALL the bleeding thing that when they gave me the static IP, I didn't argue (yet). |
| 19:06.14 | cusco | I debrootstrap 'ed to a spare partition, now I entered there with chroot but I can get no root |
| 19:06.17 | cusco | I have no name!@Portatil:/# su |
| 19:06.19 | cusco | Sorry. |
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| 19:06.23 | magyar | dvs: roger |
| 19:06.26 | cusco | whats wrong? |
| 19:06.29 | fken | how can i know the release name of the alsa drivers im using ? |
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| 19:06.33 | fantomas | MoDaX: pinnig is the only way to revert I'm thinking about now... |
| 19:06.37 | nfm | hmm, ok |
| 19:06.46 | __filip_ | what is the command to make an dir in linux? |
| 19:06.52 | wols_ | mkdir |
| 19:07.05 | greycat | just like in MS-DOS |
| 19:07.10 | tarzeau | fken: dpkg -l alsa-modules |
| 19:07.12 | dvs | magyar: I may get blasted for this but if you're always testing the cutting edge hardware, then you'll probably need a bleeding edge distribution |
| 19:07.18 | tarzeau | in ms-dos also md works |
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| 19:07.28 | greycat | tarzeau: SSsssshh! no fair making it complex! |
| 19:07.31 | magyar | dvs: like |
| 19:07.32 | magyar | ? |
| 19:07.32 | priest | greycat:: Do you like MS-DOS? ;) |
| 19:07.34 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Yeah. Sucks to have to argue with the telco. For sure. |
| 19:07.35 | greycat | priest: no. |
| 19:07.43 | greycat | priest: but I have some experience with it. |
| 19:08.00 | MoDaX | fantomas: or write a small script which would dpkg -i all affected xfree86 packages |
| 19:08.09 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Took me three weeks to get them to INSTALL it. |
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| 19:08.19 | tarzeau | hi mwilson |
| 19:08.26 | fken | tarzeau : hum... system answers : "no package like that" |
| 19:08.31 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Gah. ... |
| 19:08.33 | tarzeau | fken: you don't have alsa? |
| 19:08.48 | magyar | dvs: than again would hate to put up something bleeding in a mid access data center |
| 19:08.58 | tarzeau | fken: try dpkg -l |grep alsa-modules |
| 19:09.03 | dvs | magyar: true |
| 19:09.03 | nfm | hmm... how would i install this forcedeth driver? the only way i can think of right now is reinstalling and select it in the install menu. is there a shell command? |
| 19:09.07 | tarzeau | fken: i've got 1.0.8-7 for 2.4.31 |
| 19:09.09 | dreamie | ok |
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| 19:09.25 | fken | tarzeau : because i was angry i installed alsa thank to the following command : apt-get install alsa* |
| 19:09.27 | dreamie | did the sarge installation but it saids network autoconfiguration failed |
| 19:09.35 | magyar | dvs: the rootkits are flying all over the place |
| 19:09.45 | fken | tarzeau im using 2.6.11-9 |
| 19:09.47 | dvs | dreamie: That means you don't have DHCP working |
| 19:09.48 | dreamie | your netowrk is propably notusing the DHCP protocol |
| 19:09.57 | dreamie | so how do i get it to work |
| 19:10.09 | dvs | dreamie: Do yout want DHCP? |
| 19:10.25 | tarzeau | it's funny how some people call DHCP , dynamic DNS |
| 19:10.29 | dreamie | is dhcp dsl network? |
| 19:10.35 | dvs | magyar: I've been lucky in that way. I haven't been infected... yet |
| 19:10.41 | magyar | dreamie: how are you connected to the net? |
| 19:10.45 | torham | can someone help me apply a patch to a debian package |
| 19:10.48 | dreamie | through adsl |
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| 19:10.53 | tarzeau | torham: which patch? which package? |
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| 19:11.13 | dreamie | nevermind |
| 19:11.17 | torham | a patch for growisofs to the dvd+rw-tools package |
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| 19:11.25 | magyar | dvs: they got a MDK server just last thursday, that sucked |
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| 19:11.27 | vmx | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DebianNames is outdated |
| 19:11.36 | tarzeau | vmx: feel free to update it |
| 19:11.49 | magyar | dvs: an older version never the less, it was bound to happen |
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| 19:12.11 | dvs | magyar: I've never used Mandrake. Only Debian and Red Hat. |
| 19:12.13 | mwilson | Someone refresh my math... a /27 is... ? |
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| 19:12.21 | vmx | tarzeau, so i just need an account and no special acount? |
| 19:12.22 | dreamie | what domain name should i put? |
| 19:12.27 | mwilson | .224 |
| 19:12.33 | tarzeau | vmx: create an account with a password, tell me the account name |
| 19:12.36 | EmleyMoor | dreamie: Are you o |
| 19:12.40 | dvs | dreamie: yours |
| 19:12.43 | EmleyMoor | Are you part of a domain? |
| 19:12.47 | CtrlPhreke | what's a good dvd/cd burning front end for gnome or kde? |
| 19:12.54 | Morti | k3b |
| 19:12.55 | dvs | CtrlPhreke: k3b |
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| 19:12.58 | tarzeau | dvs: if you've seen one rpm system, you've seen them all |
| 19:13.06 | magyar | dvs: the 8 and the 9 used to be ok, but they get obsolete to quick, which means no patches |
| 19:13.06 | dreamie | no i am not part of a domain |
| 19:13.10 | dreamie | can i leave it blank? |
| 19:13.11 | dvs | tarzeau: I've seen one too many |
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| 19:13.14 | Morti | man cdrecord </elitist> |
| 19:13.14 | dvs | ;-) |
| 19:13.15 | chealer | CtrlPhreke: k3b for KDE |
| 19:13.15 | tarzeau | dreamie: create one |
| 19:13.19 | EmleyMoor | dreamie: whatever.you.like |
| 19:13.23 | tarzeau | dvs: like i ;) |
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| 19:13.43 | tarzeau | dreamie: try to use something funny, not the manufactureres name of the computer/monitor or debian |
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| 19:13.50 | tarzeau | dreamie: hostnames and domain names are important |
| 19:13.57 | dreamie | excellent sarge is so much easier than the old debian version i had |
| 19:14.15 | greycat | they put a lot of work into the sarge installer |
| 19:14.30 | magyar | dreamie: uhuh, piece of cake |
| 19:14.35 | TypoNAM | yeah the debian-installer is great :) |
| 19:14.45 | SerajewelKS | i can't seem to get blootbot to login.. '/etc/init.d/blootbot start' creates a pid file, but blootbot doesn't start and gives no indication as to why it isn't starting |
| 19:14.47 | tarzeau | yes i also like the new d-i. it's great if you want to fully automatize it |
| 19:14.48 | TypoNAM | much better than the FreeBSD one they were using |
| 19:15.10 | tarzeau | TypoNAM: you've heard of the #gnu-kbsd guys porting d-i to debian gnu/kfreebsd? |
| 19:15.22 | TypoNAM | tarzeau: nopes |
| 19:16.16 | jonkri | what's the dbootstrap_settings file and can i remove it? |
| 19:16.26 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Refresh that link... I added additional information. I also rebooted the box to clean up whatever I might have done to the routing tables that isn't reflected in the configuration. :) |
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| 19:17.05 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Cool. |
| 19:17.06 | TypoNAM | can anybody tell me how to get libtiff3 installed? I have an app that requires libtiff.o.3 and I did apt-get install libtiff-dev and it installed libtiff4 |
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| 19:17.37 | magyar | anyone using putty? |
| 19:17.38 | dreamie | ok |
| 19:17.41 | Supaplex | I guess the bots need to be fixored for the [in]= idents |
| 19:17.48 | SerajewelKS | !anyone use |
| 19:17.48 | Supaplex | magyar: millions of people are |
| 19:17.48 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 19:17.53 | dreamie | what are the chances of getting viruses and trojans in sarge? |
| 19:17.57 | mwilson | magyar: Do you have an actual question, or just taking a poll? |
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| 19:18.46 | EdLin | dreamie: probably less than RH, but in general the same - keep your system updated and use various security steps and you'll be safer. |
| 19:18.56 | paulswm | I use putty on XP |
| 19:19.01 | greycat | !security |
| 19:19.01 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
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| 19:19.12 | Supaplex | putty works in wine to =) |
| 19:19.20 | TypoNAM | lol |
| 19:19.24 | magyar | when ussing putty from MS and vim-ing a file the num pad is giving letters on new lines, why is it? |
| 19:19.27 | lart__ | meppl: |
| 19:19.47 | TypoNAM | why would anybody want to use putty on wine when the ssh client that comes with Linux distrobutions is so much better? :P |
| 19:19.48 | dreamie | so you can get it in debian? |
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| 19:20.03 | cusco | debrootstrap doesn't bring vi installed? nor nano nor pico? |
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| 19:20.06 | dreamie | i thought you couldnt get them in linux |
| 19:20.08 | Supaplex | TypoNAM: I only said it works, not that I use it. :) hehe |
| 19:20.08 | Gathond | Supaplex: why bother using wine, iirc putty has an X11 port |
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| 19:20.18 | greycat | dreamie: there are very few viruses for linux |
| 19:20.27 | greycat | at least, that we know of |
| 19:20.28 | lart__ | wrong. snakeoil. |
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| 19:20.34 | EdLin | dreamie: not viruses, but other types of security risks exist. |
| 19:20.40 | greycat | lart__: 1 or 2 counts as "very few" |
| 19:20.40 | dvs | dreamie: Assuming that you can never get one in Debian is asking for trouble |
| 19:20.41 | dreamie | like? |
| 19:20.42 | paulswm | magyar: No idea, it doesn't do that for me |
| 19:20.47 | lart__ | Linux is a virus because it is released under the GPL, which is also known as the so called "viral license." |
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| 19:20.53 | lart__ | Makes it pretty much the same, eh? |
| 19:21.08 | AptGet | ok ......... in konversaation how do i make it auto identify? |
| 19:21.08 | greycat | lart__: trolling is a virus. it spreads from one mind to another. |
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| 19:21.17 | lart__ | greycat: sure. |
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| 19:21.39 | TypoNAM | so nobody knows how to solve the libtiff.o.3 dependency problem? :P |
| 19:21.41 | levander | What are people doing about a user directory on the server when people sftp into it via sshd? |
| 19:21.50 | EdLin | dreamie: Linux is less receptable to viruses than Windows, for a number of reasons. Other things like buffer overflows and rootkits are the sorts of things you need to protect yourself against in Linux, not viruses. |
| 19:21.54 | paulswm | greycat is the #debian anti virus today :) |
| 19:21.54 | lart__ | TypoNAM: RTFM |
| 19:21.57 | greycat | levander: you end up in your home dir. |
| 19:22.00 | lart__ | 21:21 <ooeeuo> Free WebCamera Sex Movie For sign => http://canliporno.gen.ms |
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| 19:22.33 | stvn | hmz @ alpha |
| 19:22.39 | Supaplex | ** stretch ** |
| 19:22.40 | AptGet | ok nevermind i got it |
| 19:22.42 | EdLin | dreamie: one "hardening" thing you should do is turn off root logins with sshd. |
| 19:22.48 | justin | EdLin: I think you need to do a bit more reading before giving any more security advice. |
| 19:22.50 | levander | greycat: but I want to set something up for people who don't regularly use my computer to sftp in. Not sure what people are commonly doing to setup a home directory for these guests? |
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| 19:22.58 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: So what do you think? Am I SOL? :) |
| 19:23.03 | greycat | levander: use a web server. |
| 19:23.13 | EdLin | justin: point me at something to read about Linux viruses. |
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| 19:23.16 | levander | greycat: can't |
| 19:23.19 | greycat | !bliss |
| 19:23.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, bliss is a Linux trojan that gets transmitted if you have the bad habit of using your box as root always. Bliss is infectious and has worm traits as well. |
| 19:23.38 | justin | EdLin: windows has buffer overflows and rootkits |
| 19:23.41 | EdLin | justin: mail filters designed to keep out Windows viruses don't count. |
| 19:23.47 | EdLin | justin: yes, I know that. |
| 19:23.57 | EdLin | justin: I didn't mean to imply otherwise, sorry. |
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| 19:24.22 | greycat | levander: why do you think you want "guests" uploading files to your system? |
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| 19:24.38 | levander | greycat: because I do |
| 19:24.43 | greycat | have fun, then. |
| 19:24.44 | dreamie | is everyone getting spammed here? |
| 19:24.48 | greycat | dreamie: yes |
| 19:24.51 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: I don't think so. There has to be a way to do it. I just can't think of any good ones. |
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| 19:24.56 | dvs | dreamie: no |
| 19:25.03 | EmleyMoor | dreamie: /mode dreamie +E |
| 19:25.04 | greycat | except the ones who read the /topic |
| 19:25.04 | Supaplex | dreamie I was until I read the topic. |
| 19:25.06 | dvs | dreamie: I read the /topic |
| 19:25.08 | tarzeau | justin: didn't you use to have a _ ? |
| 19:25.08 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Or any bad ones that I think would work, for that matter. |
| 19:25.10 | Supaplex | haha |
| 19:25.11 | paulswm | dreamie: No |
| 19:25.28 | greycat | and except for me, because some of the bots are *just* smart enough not to spam me. |
| 19:25.32 | justin | tarzeau: yeah, I finally got the 'justin' name a year ago or so |
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| 19:25.59 | tarzeau | justin: cool, what was the url with your .exe stuff? |
| 19:26.31 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Well, I have a couple of approaches worked out with pf's route-to, once I get the second network interface working. But why can't I even route traffic through it? |
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| 19:26.38 | Supaplex | other somewhat obvious question, who's dumb enough to be enticed by these ads? |
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| 19:26.53 | tarzeau | Supaplex: do you know the drug subutex? |
| 19:26.53 | alex_ | when upgrading to Sarge, I uses script to record the process, try to read that file I got weird charactere, how can I humanily-read it ? |
| 19:26.56 | dreamie | does that work in efnet? |
| 19:26.59 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Never mind from one of the network machines... I can't log into the oBSD box and move traffic through it. |
| 19:27.05 | Supaplex | tarzeau: no |
| 19:27.09 | dreamie | how come +e work here |
| 19:27.22 | EdLin | dreamie: not +e, +E |
| 19:27.24 | EmleyMoor | +E (capital) |
| 19:27.26 | tarzeau | Supaplex: wanna try? |
| 19:27.27 | Diguinho | can anybody help me with a problem in gnome? Inserting media (cdrom, compact flash) is not mouting automatically.. gnome-volume-manager is already running.. |
| 19:27.29 | resiak | dreamie: Depends on the IRCd. Why not ask the efnet ops? |
| 19:27.43 | resiak | Diguinho: adduser youruser plugdev, logout, login. |
| 19:27.54 | EmleyMoor | There is a NickServ here - other networks don't have one |
| 19:28.00 | dreamie | nope it doesnt |
| 19:28.04 | dreamie | unknown mode |
| 19:28.18 | EmleyMoor | dreamie: Are you registered with NickServ? |
| 19:28.20 | Diguinho | hey that should be there! |
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| 19:28.25 | Diguinho | strange |
| 19:28.28 | EdLin | EmleyMoor: the last time I was on DALNet they had one, not that they are a network one should emulate. |
| 19:28.29 | dreamie | no emley |
| 19:28.30 | Supaplex | tarzeau: no thanks. :) |
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| 19:28.41 | EmleyMoor | dreamie: Try registering with it first |
| 19:28.42 | Diguinho | thanks! :) |
| 19:28.49 | resiak | Diguinho: Are you already in ... oh well |
| 19:28.51 | wols_ | is there any network except efnet without services by now? |
| 19:29.10 | EmleyMoor | IRCnet, and a few others |
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| 19:29.41 | mwilson | wols_: Undernet doesn't do a nickserv. |
| 19:29.42 | Nb | Can anyone help me plz? why cant i make a folder in /usr/ folder |
| 19:29.47 | Nb | Can anyone help me plz? why cant i make a folder in /usr/ folder |
| 19:29.47 | greycat | Nb: be root. |
| 19:29.50 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: From the OpenBSD box you can you ping the .33 addy? |
| 19:29.52 | greycat | Nb: be root. |
| 19:29.56 | Gnea | !tell Nb about ask |
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| 19:30.00 | Nb | greycat theres a problem |
| 19:30.08 | greycat | Nb: su |
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| 19:30.09 | Nb | greycat when i try to log as root it says |
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| 19:30.15 | Nb | greycat u cant log as root |
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| 19:30.26 | greycat | Nb: login as yourself and type "su" |
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| 19:30.29 | dvs | Nb: Is it your computer? |
| 19:30.31 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: No --> ping: sendto: No route to host |
| 19:30.32 | SerajewelKS | how does one configure blootbot to respond to ! |
| 19:30.36 | Nb | greycat yes |
| 19:30.39 | Gnea | Nb: are you doing this remotely? |
| 19:30.42 | me_here | why isn't there a mono package for debian through aptitude ? in former versions than sarge there was a mono package i remember ! |
| 19:30.50 | EdLin | !folder |
| 19:30.50 | dpkg | folder is, like, a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
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| 19:31.04 | Nb | greycat but with i use su i will only be root at terminal |
| 19:31.04 | TypoNAM | me_here: yeah just like where the hell did libtiff3g package go... |
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| 19:31.06 | justin | Nb: why do you think you should be putting things in /usr? |
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| 19:31.12 | greycat | Nb: yes. |
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| 19:31.27 | EmleyMoor | Nb: Why would you want to be root anywhere else? |
| 19:31.27 | greycat | Nb: you "su", do what needs doing as root, then "exit". |
| 19:31.41 | mwilson | He means he's trying to log in through a display manager as root. |
| 19:31.48 | alex_ | when upgrading to Sarge, I uses script to record the process, try to read that file I got weird charactere, how can I humanily-read it ? |
| 19:31.52 | greycat | mwilson: I know what he means, but that's daft. |
| 19:31.53 | mwilson | And the display manager is smart enough not to let him. |
| 19:31.58 | Nb | greycat is there anyway to give root"power" to default users? |
| 19:31.59 | EmleyMoor | Use sux if tou want to work with X |
| 19:32.01 | greycat | Nb: NO! |
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| 19:32.13 | dvs | use linspire |
| 19:32.15 | EmleyMoor | Nb: Why the Kingston would you want to do that? |
| 19:32.16 | Gathond | Nb: you can start GUI programs as root from that terminal shell that you use su - in |
| 19:32.17 | TypoNAM | I think the whole *@*.wol.net.pk needs to be banned because I keep getting spammed by everybody from that hostmask |
| 19:32.27 | Gnea | Nb: why would you want to do that? |
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| 19:32.36 | EmleyMoor | TypoNAM: Register with NickServ and use mode +E |
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| 19:32.41 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: That is *odd*. But I'm not telling you anything you don't already know... |
| 19:32.51 | Nb | i need to instal some programs in usr folder |
| 19:33.00 | Gnea | Nb: what programs? |
| 19:33.03 | greycat | Nb: you should not need a fucking GUI to do that. |
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| 19:33.12 | Epix | I want to set my debian box up to act as a wireless Access Point (Ad Hoc style)... How? |
| 19:33.14 | blackout | what I want - a new debian install with raid 1 working over the whole disks (i.e., hda == hdb) - is there a good howto anywhere? |
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| 19:33.16 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Well, it looks to ME like there's a route to that subnet in the table, yes. |
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| 19:33.18 | nkuttler | Nb: put them in /usr/local/ or /opt or something |
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| 19:33.23 | alex_ | greycat: don't you use a GUI (just curiosity) |
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| 19:33.30 | greycat | alex_: yes, but not as root. |
| 19:33.31 | me_here | whooaahh, it gets wild in here :) |
| 19:33.34 | me_here | lol |
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| 19:33.40 | Gnea | Nb: how stupid do you think people around here are? |
| 19:33.45 | alex_ | greycat: ah sure ! |
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| 19:34.14 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: What's not there is the route for the local IP, like there is for the local IP on fxp0. The one to 127.0.0.1\ |
| 19:34.19 | alex_ | what the +b option ? |
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| 19:34.21 | EdLin | greycat: having a busy day? |
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| 19:34.26 | greycat | EdLin: you have no idea. |
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| 19:34.27 | EmleyMoor | alex_: Ban |
| 19:34.28 | Gnea | alex_: ban. |
| 19:34.36 | alex_ | of course ! |
| 19:34.38 | dvs | alex_: Ban |
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| 19:34.46 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Well yeah. And given that .33 is directly connected. |
| 19:34.52 | Epix | can it be done? |
| 19:35.01 | Nb | greycat whats the command to unzip a tgz file to the usr folder |
| 19:35.05 | greycat | !tar |
| 19:35.05 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 19:35.11 | greycat | cd /usr first. |
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| 19:35.22 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Do I still need the route to 127.0.0.1, though? |
| 19:35.52 | Gnea | !tell Nb about newbie-guide |
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| 19:36.05 | Supaplex | about time |
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| 19:36.09 | alex_ | there were a bug with mailman 2.1.5 and Sarge, is this bug still existing ? (sorry! the mailman channel is a bit sleepy) |
| 19:36.15 | abrotman | bts! |
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| 19:36.19 | Gnea | :) |
| 19:36.36 | yang | Are there any problems if i change sources.list from sid to sarge, and update? |
| 19:36.40 | mwilson | alexpj: And everyone gets to guess what bug of the multitude there have ever been that you might be talking about? |
| 19:36.42 | EdLin | Nb: you really don't want to unpack a tarball into /usr, it is usually source code that you need to ./configure and make |
| 19:36.45 | greycat | yang: it won't do much. |
| 19:36.49 | Gnea | yang: yeah it won't work |
| 19:36.50 | mwilson | yang: Is there any reason to do so? |
| 19:36.50 | dvs | yang: Yeah, you still have sid |
| 19:36.54 | Epix | no answer? |
| 19:37.00 | greycat | 15:34 Epix> can it be done? |
| 19:37.04 | greycat | no WAY to answer. |
| 19:37.11 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Nah. Don't think so. |
| 19:37.12 | Gnea | Epix: what? |
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| 19:37.29 | Epix | Gnea: ad hoc from debian |
| 19:37.31 | EmleyMoor | Nb: /usr/local/src is the place for that, more than likely |
| 19:37.36 | yang | so, how do i go from sid to sarge? |
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| 19:37.39 | Gnea | Epix: ad hoc what? |
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| 19:37.42 | abrotman | yang: you can't |
| 19:37.45 | Supaplex | .deb's were not designed to be downgraded. |
| 19:37.48 | Gnea | !tell Epix about ask |
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| 19:38.07 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: I have to wonder if the running pf configuration has something to do with it. I'm more than a little afraid to mess with it, though, as I'm remote on the box at the moment. |
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| 19:38.17 | Gnea | wam bam, goodbye spam |
| 19:39.07 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: What I usually do when I'm messing with THAT is put something in root's crontab that'll restore a known working pf.conf after some interval. |
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| 19:39.18 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Yeah. That just might be it. What does a tcpdump on the box when you are trying to go out show? |
| 19:39.28 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Hehe. Yeah, good way to do it. |
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| 19:39.32 | mwilson | tcpdump on which interface? |
| 19:39.34 | AptGet | i heard that debian is speeding up its release cycles? |
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| 19:39.40 | Epix | Gnea: I want to network 2 computers wirelessly. |
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| 19:39.45 | dvs | AptGet: We'll se |
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| 19:40.06 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: I'd slap one on each and see which one works if it were me. |
| 19:40.07 | Gnea | Epix: then you need to read a wireless howto and follow directions |
| 19:40.12 | EdLin | AptGet: it couldn't be slower. ;-) |
| 19:40.12 | Gnea | Epix: google it |
| 19:40.18 | greycat | EdLin: don't say that out loud. |
| 19:40.19 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Or which one you see traffic on. I meant. |
| 19:40.23 | mwilson | On aue0? This should be fun... there's all this crap coming in on that interface. |
| 19:40.31 | EmleyMoor | I don't mind slow release cycles |
| 19:40.39 | greycat | EmleyMoor: I mind the whining. |
| 19:40.42 | EdLin | greycat: seriously though, they look like they are doing a lot. |
| 19:40.54 | dreamie | ok hit a problem |
| 19:40.59 | Gnea | dreamie: ? |
| 19:41.00 | dreamie | its not online |
| 19:41.05 | Gnea | heh.. |
| 19:41.06 | AptGet | yeah if you check there page .......... they are doing a lot of work it seems |
| 19:41.19 | dreamie | gnea: its not online |
| 19:41.21 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Tons of arp coming INTO that interface from outside. |
| 19:41.33 | Supaplex | cablemodem? |
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| 19:41.40 | mwilson | yeah |
| 19:41.47 | EmleyMoor | There is always a lot of work on Debian |
| 19:41.47 | Supaplex | figures :) |
| 19:41.47 | EdLin | Believe it or not, if you look at the Debian release timeline, in the early days some of the releases were a year apart. |
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| 19:41.50 | mwilson | For all sorts of addresses. |
| 19:41.53 | Gnea | dreamie: yes, i read you the first time.. which kernel did you use this time? |
| 19:42.06 | dreamie | gnea: i chose it by itself this time |
| 19:42.13 | asuffield | EdLin: yeah, well, in the early days there was one maintainer and like a dozen packages |
| 19:42.13 | dvs | EdLin: What century was that? ;-) |
| 19:42.13 | dreamie | gnea: the one we mentioned before |
| 19:42.16 | SerajewelKS | is there a list of blootbot user modes somewhere? |
| 19:42.22 | Gnea | dreamie: oh sweet |
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| 19:42.27 | km- | If I wanted to create a local apt mirror for sarge, does anyone have a particular software package they like for running the repository? |
| 19:42.30 | AptGet | well thats just the thing..........you can always get updated packeges with debian |
| 19:42.33 | EdLin | dvs: not the 21st. :-) |
| 19:42.34 | km- | or is it as simple as using wget to mirror, then apache to serve? |
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| 19:42.43 | Gnea | dreamie: were you able to reboot at least or are you still in the middle? |
| 19:42.55 | EmleyMoor | I have a box running testing but my main machine and laptop are running stable |
| 19:42.58 | dreamie | yes i rebooted |
| 19:43.12 | Gnea | dreamie: does it show up in lspci? |
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| 19:43.28 | dreamie | but right now i am at the part where it ask archive access method for apt..and i chiose http |
| 19:43.29 | Epix | Gnea: but heres the catch, i dont want to use a router |
| 19:43.30 | dvs | EmleyMoor: If they are running production stuff, the testing is fine for your desktop |
| 19:43.37 | Supaplex | mwilson: back when att went belly up, their network segment was still alive, but didn't route past a few hops. my friends and I were bored, so we flooded the network segment with arp requests =). I'd turn it on and off every 3-4 seconds, and after a few seconds he laughed because he saw the same activity on his switch :) |
| 19:43.38 | Xylene | does debian sarge use the 2.6 kernel and xorg by default? |
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| 19:43.51 | EmleyMoor | Xylene: No to both |
| 19:43.52 | AptGet | Xylene: no |
| 19:43.53 | dvs | xylene: No |
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| 19:43.55 | Xylene | thank you |
| 19:44.03 | wols_ | Xylene: no. but you can use linux26. you can't use x.org |
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| 19:44.10 | Gnea | dreamie: ok, that means you need to have the network connection setup before doing that - does the module load and give you an eth0? |
| 19:44.11 | AptGet | Xylene: but .......... linux26 at boot will get you 2.6 |
| 19:44.11 | Xylene | are there any debian releases that do use both? |
| 19:44.13 | EdLin | Xylene: Debian Sarge can optionally use the 2.6 kernel on install. |
| 19:44.16 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: I don't do it often enough to know the syntax off the top of my head but you should be able to tell tcpdump to ignore all the arp stuff. |
| 19:44.20 | dvs | Xylene: Not yet |
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| 19:44.27 | Xylene | ok, thank you |
| 19:44.31 | EdLin | Xylene: you can get xorg backports from sid |
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| 19:44.39 | Gnea | Epix: so does one of your cards have a prism2 chipset? |
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| 19:44.48 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Oh, I just -l'd it, and grep-ed for just icmp |
| 19:44.48 | dreamie | gneaL ok got lspci...what am i looking for |
| 19:44.49 | Epix | Gnea: no clue. |
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| 19:44.53 | Gnea | Epix: find out. |
| 19:44.54 | AptGet | Xylene: it is possible to run xorg.............but the question is why? |
| 19:44.55 | Xylene | does sid use it? i'll just use that if it does |
| 19:44.55 | Supaplex | mwilson: tcpdump ... not arp |
| 19:44.56 | dvs | dreamie: eth |
| 19:45.03 | Gnea | dreamie: Ethernet controller? |
| 19:45.04 | Epix | Gnea: doubt it though, its a USB one |
| 19:45.09 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Fair enough. Anything interesting? |
| 19:45.17 | dreamie | yes there is an ethernet controller |
| 19:45.17 | Gnea | Epix: it might... if you search for it |
| 19:45.18 | Xylene | becuase i can always get xorg working, i tried xfree86 the other day on debian sarge and i couldn't get it working properly |
| 19:45.18 | dvs | Xylene: yes, they are both in sid |
| 19:45.23 | EdLin | Xylene: IYNTAYS |
| 19:45.26 | AptGet | Xylene: if you use sid you will still have to apt-get xserver-xorgf |
| 19:45.32 | mwilson | Now that's cute. |
| 19:45.35 | dvs | dreamie: Which one? EXACTLY? |
| 19:45.37 | Epix | Gnea, ive seen people do this from windows with any old card. |
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| 19:45.54 | Gnea | dreamie: any results if you: ifconfig eth0 |
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| 19:46.03 | dreamie | d-link system ink dfe690txd pc card rev 10 |
| 19:46.09 | mwilson | I got a ping FROM the .33 gateway on aue0, but the box sent the reply on fxp0 |
| 19:46.13 | Gnea | Epix: naw, you were lied to |
| 19:46.15 | EdLin | Xylene: what packages did you install? |
| 19:46.21 | dreamie | ifconfig command not found? |
| 19:46.26 | dreamie | does that have to be in root? |
| 19:46.27 | Gnea | dreamie: /sbin/ifconfig ? |
| 19:46.30 | Epix | Gnea: no, i saw it happen |
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| 19:46.42 | Gnea | Epix: it's windows, it lies constantly |
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| 19:46.47 | asuffield | mwilson: yeah, source routing isn't the default |
| 19:46.52 | Xylene | EdLin: i don't remember. but i got xfree running but couldn't get any WM's to work properly |
| 19:46.54 | Gnea | Epix: you know you saw but did you know what was under the hood? |
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| 19:47.06 | AptGet | a hemi |
| 19:47.08 | asuffield | mwilson: it's following the routing table, you have to fool around with ip to do anything different |
| 19:47.10 | Gnea | rofl |
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| 19:47.11 | dvs | gha! |
| 19:47.11 | Xylene | it was probably a stupid mistake though |
| 19:47.14 | dreamie | what am i looking for in sbin/ifconfig? |
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| 19:47.15 | Epix | it was a old Dlink PCICMA card |
| 19:47.16 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Ouch. |
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| 19:47.24 | Gnea | dreamie: like i said: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 |
| 19:47.25 | EdLin | Xylene: did you install x-window-system-core, plus your window manager? |
| 19:47.29 | Gnea | dreamie: any results? |
| 19:47.29 | Nb | Is there any good antivirus for linux? |
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| 19:47.32 | EdLin | (and x terminal emulator) |
| 19:47.34 | nfm | how would i install drivers (in my case the forcedeth drivers for my on-board ethernet) through the terminal? (instead of reinstalling debian and selecting it during installation) |
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| 19:47.40 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield: The .33 box is on a directly connected network. Or at least should be... |
| 19:47.45 | AptGet | Nb: antivirus isnt needed for linux |
| 19:47.46 | Gnea | Nb: go search google |
| 19:47.46 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Meanwhile I've got a ping running to the .33 that keeps saying no route to host. :) |
| 19:47.48 | EmleyMoor | Nb: clamav is good - but why do you feel the need? |
| 19:47.51 | abrotman | nfm: modconf ? are they in the kernel ? |
| 19:47.53 | dreamie | gnea, no, not a directory |
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| 19:48.02 | dvs | nfm: What kernel? |
| 19:48.05 | nfm | 2.6 |
| 19:48.07 | Nb | k ty |
| 19:48.08 | Nb | =D |
| 19:48.10 | asuffield | scarynetworkguy: irrelevent, it's routed just like any other packet |
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| 19:48.16 | Gnea | i KNEW IT |
| 19:48.25 | dvs | nfm: as root modprobe forcedeth |
| 19:48.27 | nfm | i did a "locate forcedeth" and it found some things |
| 19:48.27 | abrotman | knew what? |
| 19:48.30 | EdLin | Nb: Linux has practically no viruses, it has other forms of security potential problems. The usual cure is to run a firewall and keep your system updated. Maybe some intrusion detection software and rootkit finder is appropriate. |
| 19:48.32 | abrotman | nfm: modconf |
| 19:48.33 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Yeah. I'm betting a tcpdump on fxp0 will show all those packets happily going out there. |
| 19:48.46 | abrotman | !fish |
| 19:48.47 | dpkg | well, fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fish.html |
| 19:48.47 | Gnea | abrotman: a brazlian cracker |
| 19:48.50 | dreamie | gnea, what do i do?? |
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| 19:48.54 | mwilson | Another ping from the .33 on aue0, reply went out on fxp0 |
| 19:48.57 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield: Whatever. |
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| 19:49.05 | mwilson | And no, I can't see the pings *TO* the .33 on fxp0 |
| 19:49.10 | Gnea | dreamie: modprobe 8139too |
| 19:49.11 | mwilson | They're going nowhere. |
| 19:49.13 | Gnea | dreamie: as root |
| 19:49.17 | abrotman | Gnea: and running kurumin ? |
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| 19:49.22 | nfm | dvs: i did that, but it didn't output anything. does that mean it's installed? when i use browser, it says it can't find host when i try to get on debian.org or something |
| 19:49.27 | Gnea | abrotman: running what? |
| 19:49.33 | abrotman | Gnea: /whowas Nb |
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| 19:49.36 | dvs | nfm: yes, that means it's installed |
| 19:49.40 | abrotman | !kurumin |
| 19:49.40 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
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| 19:49.47 | dreamie | how do i get to root? |
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| 19:49.50 | Gnea | ROFL |
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| 19:49.52 | dvs | nfm: Now "man interfaces" |
| 19:49.54 | Gnea | abrotman: nice one |
| 19:49.58 | abrotman | what? |
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| 19:50.02 | abrotman | i didn't make that up |
| 19:50.04 | Gnea | i didn't even catch that |
| 19:50.05 | Gnea | :) |
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| 19:50.15 | Gnea | dreamie: su |
| 19:50.16 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Hmm. I'm confused. Tried asking misc@? All htis info should be more than enough to write a nice mail... Sorry man. |
| 19:50.17 | nfm | thanks. i'm on dualboot so it's hard to test (have to reboot for everything i test) |
| 19:50.24 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: I don't understand why I can't ping the .33 |
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| 19:50.48 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Neither do I. That should be working fine. Thus I suspect something deep and dark. |
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| 19:50.51 | dreamie | gnea, did it |
| 19:50.57 | nitin | anyone know of good how-to articles on setting up stable servers (email & web) |
| 19:51.00 | dreamie | gnea, did modprobe |
| 19:51.13 | abrotman | nitin: google should know plenty |
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| 19:51.18 | Gnea | dreamie: dmesg <- anything regarding the nic there? |
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| 19:51.30 | nitin | abrotman: yea, i was just wondering if theres anything some guru recommends here |
| 19:51.32 | mwilson | third ping request from the .33 on aue0, reply on fxp0 |
| 19:51.37 | mwilson | weird weird weird |
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| 19:52.22 | jesperj | do I need to have a domainname at install? what happens if I leave it blank? |
| 19:52.26 | mwilson | Every three minutes, like clockwork, the .33 pings me. |
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| 19:52.33 | dvs | jesperj: Put in anything |
| 19:52.42 | EdLin | nitin: IYNTAYS |
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| 19:52.49 | nitin | EdLin: what? |
| 19:52.56 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Yeah. I know the answer to this before I ask it but I'm assuming that you are double triple sure that you have the right mask on aue0? |
| 19:52.56 | dreamie | eth0:realtek rtl8139 at 0x40000, irq 11 |
| 19:52.57 | jesperj | will my hostname show hostname.anything? |
| 19:53.04 | dreamie | gnea, thats all i can find |
| 19:53.09 | EdLin | nitin: if you need to ask you shouldn't |
| 19:53.10 | cadu | hello ! i'm on a tricky situation down here...i'm using openssh client to my home (i'm at work)....i'm inside debian-installer... |
| 19:53.11 | mwilson | I have the one they tell me is the right one. |
| 19:53.25 | Gnea | dreamie: ok cool - now cat /etc/network/interfaces is there a pair of lines for eth0 there? |
| 19:53.27 | mwilson | I don't know any other way to tell right from wrong on this one. :) |
| 19:53.27 | jesperj | dvs will my hostname show hostname.anything? |
| 19:53.30 | cadu | i put 'expert' on boot but why it is only showing me 'Automatically Partition hard drive' ??? |
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| 19:53.34 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Yeah and the 27 bit one should work. |
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| 19:53.49 | cadu | AND, the autopartition is failing :) |
| 19:53.51 | dvs | jesperj: Yes. |
| 19:53.52 | EdLin | someone who needs to ask on IRC how to configure a mail server has no business setting one up. |
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| 19:53.58 | nitin | EdLin: bull, i know how to setup everything, i was just wondering if theres better method than mine out there |
| 19:53.59 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: No the 27 bit mask should work. I was just idly wondering about possible typos... Happens to the best of us. |
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| 19:54.07 | dreamie | auto lo |
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| 19:54.16 | EdLin | nitin: then thank you for wasting our time |
| 19:54.16 | dreamie | auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 19:54.20 | Epix | Gnea: it uses the Prism 54 chipset |
| 19:54.23 | cadu | help! :) |
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| 19:54.30 | Gnea | dreamie: ok run this: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 19:54.35 | AlverGone | Hello... I just installed gftp; it segfaults constantly. Is this a known problem? |
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| 19:54.45 | Supaplex | AlverGone: bts |
| 19:54.45 | Gnea | cadu: don't use expert mode :) |
| 19:54.46 | jesperj | dvs, so if I specify nothing only the hostname will show like "hostname" or will it show "hostname." ? |
| 19:54.49 | CtrlPhreke | alright, I've downloaded a few *.deb files... how on earth do I go about installing them on my system? |
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| 19:54.59 | wols_ | CtrlPhreke: man dpkg |
| 19:55.01 | Gnea | CtrlPhreke: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 19:55.04 | dvs | jesperj: It will show "hostname." |
| 19:55.04 | jesperj | someone please kill the porn bots |
| 19:55.07 | CtrlPhreke | thanks... |
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| 19:55.16 | cadu | Gnea: shouldn't it show me the option to manually partition my drives ? |
| 19:55.17 | Gnea | jesperj: please read the /topic and quit your whining |
| 19:55.17 | dvs | jesperj: Or read the topic |
| 19:55.21 | dreamie | gnea, ok what i do now |
| 19:55.27 | cadu | Gnea: it's only showing the 'Automatic parition hard drives' |
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| 19:55.33 | cadu | and worse...it's failing so i can't go on |
| 19:55.34 | dvs | dreamie: netstat -r |
| 19:55.36 | EdLin | CtrlPhreke: why are you downloading debs so much anyway? You probably should be using aptitude or apt-get to install your software with dependencies. |
| 19:55.39 | Gnea | dreamie: ifconfig does eth0 have an IP? can you ping yahoo.com? |
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| 19:55.42 | cadu | Gnea: any tips? quick ;) |
| 19:55.49 | cadu | my boss is coming ho hoho ho |
| 19:55.59 | Gnea | cadu: yeah, reboot and don't use the expert mode |
| 19:56.13 | Gnea | it's too powerful for you |
| 19:56.14 | Gnea | :) |
| 19:56.19 | cadu | Gnea: ... |
| 19:56.23 | dreamie | ok |
| 19:56.25 | cadu | well |
| 19:56.25 | dreamie | its pinging |
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| 19:56.30 | dreamie | how does it stop? |
| 19:56.34 | dvs | dreamie: Welcome to the internet |
| 19:56.34 | jesperj | ty dvs |
| 19:56.35 | Gnea | ctrl-c |
| 19:56.42 | dvs | jesperj: No prob |
| 19:56.44 | cadu | it isn't working as expected, i'm asking help on a debian-installer problem, not on a knowledge problem, retard |
| 19:56.48 | dreamie | stop pinging damnit |
| 19:56.53 | Gnea | dreamie: ctrl-c |
| 19:56.56 | dvs | dreamie: control-C |
| 19:57.02 | Gnea | lol |
| 19:57.12 | dreamie | yay!!!!! |
| 19:57.14 | dvs | LoL |
| 19:57.14 | dreamie | its working! |
| 19:57.16 | Gnea | :) |
| 19:57.17 | Supaplex | cadu: that'll earn you bonus karma points for sure. |
| 19:57.19 | dreamie | thanks gnea |
| 19:57.23 | CtrlPhreke | ed, my linux box isn't online... have to download stuff with my win laptop... |
| 19:57.24 | Gnea | no problem |
| 19:57.27 | cadu | ehehehhe |
| 19:57.31 | Gnea | :D |
| 19:57.32 | mwilson | I intend to call what they laughably call "tech support" tomorrow again and go through the setup information with them. |
| 19:57.33 | cadu | Gnea: :) rephrasing |
| 19:57.36 | dvs | dreamie: Now put "auto eth0" in your interfaces file so we won't see you tomorrow |
| 19:57.41 | Gnea | ooo |
| 19:57.46 | cadu | Gnea: what could have happened to d-i to don't show 'manual' mode ? |
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| 19:58.05 | Supaplex | cadu: manual mode in what context? |
| 19:58.15 | mwilson | It seems odd to me that they'd tell me the netmask was a /27, but the gateway is supposedly the .33 |
| 19:58.17 | dreamie | now if i can get xfree to work it would be PERFECT! |
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| 19:58.39 | Gnea | dreamie: what kind of laptop is it? |
| 19:58.46 | cadu | Supaplex: i started d-i on expert mode as i always do, but it isn't showing me 'manually partition hard drives' ...just 'automagically partition hard drive' |
| 19:58.47 | dreamie | ibm thinkpad |
| 19:59.01 | Gnea | ooo those are fun |
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| 19:59.09 | Gnea | which model#? |
| 19:59.11 | cadu | Supaplex: and worse...it's failing ;( so i can't go on....and i'm in a hurry coz i need to get this box online again and my boss is coming :) |
| 19:59.15 | cadu | i'm done :> |
| 19:59.18 | danixb9 | hello |
| 19:59.46 | Supaplex | cadu: anything on the log ttys? alt+f3,f4 |
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| 20:00.02 | abrotman | dreamie: which type of video card |
| 20:00.04 | cadu | Supaplex: it's trying to use lvm and failing miserably |
| 20:00.13 | dreamie | i dont know abrotman |
| 20:00.16 | user01 | is there a pda with debian preinstalled? |
| 20:00.24 | cadu | Supaplex: that's why i like the manual partitioning tool...right now i just need a fscking root partition to install it on :) |
| 20:00.26 | dvs | dreamie: lspci |
| 20:00.27 | Gnea | dreamie: what's the model #? |
| 20:00.36 | abrotman | dreamie: lspci |
| 20:00.37 | Gnea | thinkpad 750? |
| 20:00.40 | Gnea | A20? |
| 20:00.50 | dreamie | 390 |
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| 20:01.00 | Gnea | ok |
| 20:01.07 | CtrlPhreke | is there a better way to get the software I want then the way I'm doin' it.. keeping in mind that my linux box is isolated... |
| 20:01.13 | mwilson | I swear it just doesn't know where the gateway is for the 24.x.x.x network. |
| 20:01.24 | user01 | would an ipaq be the best bet for debian? |
| 20:01.29 | AlverGone | mmm, so the gftp segfaults are known. |
| 20:01.29 | dreamie | ok what am i looking for in lspci? |
| 20:01.38 | dvs | dreamie: VGA |
| 20:01.46 | dreamie | vga compaitble controller neomagic corporation |
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| 20:01.52 | curby | abrotman: I posted here before about difficulty getting cron to read files in /etc/cron.d. do you have any ideas other than filename issues? last night cron was having a hard time reading files named something simple like "rrdtool". restartingthe daemon fixed it |
| 20:01.55 | Gnea | dreamie: check this out: http://www.linux-laptop.net/hosted/Thinkpad390.html |
| 20:01.57 | abrotman | dreamie: ewww! |
| 20:02.01 | dreamie | magicgraph256av |
| 20:02.13 | user01 | has anyone installed debian on a pda? |
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| 20:02.18 | abrotman | curby: none that i'm aware of .. just the . in the filename thing |
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| 20:02.31 | Gnea | ick that's not as good as i thought... hrm |
| 20:02.31 | dreamie | whats wrong with that abrotman? |
| 20:02.33 | curby | abrotman: hmm alright, thanks =) |
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| 20:03.15 | abrotman | dreamie: neomagic |
| 20:03.33 | Gnea | oh look |
| 20:03.33 | abrotman | !neomagic |
| 20:03.40 | abrotman | wow .. no horrible factoid for it |
| 20:03.41 | Gnea | dreamie: http://www.spack.org/wiki/ThinkPad390 |
| 20:03.50 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Wtf is this |
| 20:03.52 | Gnea | dreamie: *perfect* page tells how to install debian on your laptop |
| 20:04.00 | mwilson | plserver $ sudo route add 24.249.202.32/27 24.249.202.33 |
| 20:04.08 | mwilson | route: writing to routing socket: File exists |
| 20:04.16 | mwilson | add net 24.249.202.32/27: gateway 24.249.202.33: File exists |
| 20:04.27 | mwilson | "file exists"? |
| 20:04.32 | curby | I've installed debian on two mac minis, which are pretty much laptops hehe. summary: works great |
| 20:04.33 | dondelelcaro | greycat: why exactly are you changing that factoid to point at the advertisement? |
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| 20:04.48 | Gnea | curby: nice |
| 20:05.14 | greycat | dondelelcaro: oh CRAP. |
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| 20:05.36 | dondelelcaro | the nag strip goes away if you reload it anyway... |
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| 20:05.43 | user01 | what about pda's? |
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| 20:06.04 | madradrone | does anyone know why bitstream vera sans is not showing up in xfontsel, or how to get it to? |
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| 20:06.37 | curby | user01: you might try searching slashdot, engadget, or other tech blogs for linux-running PDAs. might be easier than rolling your own (unless the challenge is the whole point) |
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| 20:07.11 | sombra | How can I do this: cd /etc/cron.daily/ ; cp -a /scripts/backup ; chmod 755 backup ? |
| 20:07.16 | greycat | what in the fucking HELL is firefox DOING? |
| 20:07.35 | EmleyMoor | greycat: firing foxes? |
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| 20:07.43 | greycat | on the ctrl-I page, is has a PICTURE OF THE STRIP, and a "Save As..." button! |
| 20:07.45 | sombra | lol |
| 20:07.48 | mwilson | madradrone: Why would it? Did you add it somewhere that it would? |
| 20:07.54 | greycat | And when you click the button, it DOESN'T SAVE THE THING WHOSE PICTURE IS IN THE FUCKING WINDOW! |
| 20:08.01 | gpfreitas | Hi, I am running unstable here and I'd just like to know if there's anything *I must* know before performing the first update-upgrade (lots of megabytes, including a kernel upgrade!) |
| 20:08.06 | mwilson | madradrone: xfontsel only shows you core fonts. |
| 20:08.10 | tarzeau | didn't i always says that browser sucks? |
| 20:08.20 | madradrone | mwilson: that's a good question. i suspected something like that |
| 20:08.28 | abrotman | could be worse .. could be part of gnustep |
| 20:08.28 | curby | greycat: that's not too unusual depending on the site. some people do tricks to make it harder for you to save their images |
| 20:08.40 | mwilson | madradrone: Sure you did. |
| 20:08.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: it'd be great |
| 20:08.44 | sombra | How can I copy to the current dir?: cd /etc/cron.daily/ ; cp -a /scripts/backup ; chmod 755 backup |
| 20:08.46 | greycat | curby: the BROWSER IS LYING TO ME! |
| 20:09.02 | greycat | cusco: apparently, instead of using the fucking CACHE that is ALREADY HAS, it goes and re-downloads from the server! |
| 20:09.09 | curby | greycat: e.g. have the actual picture as a table cell background, and have a transparent image lying on top. your eyes are lying to you. you simply can't see the image on top |
| 20:09.10 | chealer | !tell gpfreitas about iyhtays |
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| 20:09.16 | Zedman | hello. I am using 2 pc on 1 router and 1 switch and want to establish a local network. 1 pc is using soid and 1 is running one sarge. What is the easiest way to build such a local network? |
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| 20:09.54 | greycat | curby: there's a fucking BOX in the BOTTOM OF THE WINDOW and when I click on the ADDRESS it SHOWS THE PICTURE IN THE FUCKING BOX. |
| 20:09.57 | curby | alternately, of course it COULD be a bug hehe |
| 20:10.01 | nkuttler | sombra: did you read man cp? |
| 20:10.05 | greycat | curby: my eyes aren't lying. |
| 20:10.25 | gpfreitas | chealer: what is ihtays? |
| 20:10.30 | sombra | cp [OPTION]... SOURCE DEST |
| 20:10.43 | madradrone | mwilson: how/where can i obtain a font line to pass to a term command for this font? |
| 20:10.44 | greycat | there should be an ellipsis after SOURCE |
| 20:10.51 | chealer | gpfreitas: did you get the message from dpkg? |
| 20:11.14 | madradrone | mwilson: or, is it even possible to use bitstream vera with urxvt? |
| 20:11.28 | gpfreitas | chealer: yes |
| 20:12.03 | tarzeau | Zedman: PC1---SWITCH---PC2 SWITCH---ROUTER. what's soid? |
| 20:12.07 | mwilson | madradrone: urxvt can use core fonts, or it can use fontconfig fonts. I suggest actually bothering to read the fine man page that comes with it. |
| 20:12.07 | gpfreitas | chealer: I am not very familiar with this IRC stuff, and I answered you there. I will repeat the answer. |
| 20:12.25 | dreamie | uh hoh |
| 20:12.29 | chealer | gpfreitas: hehe. you answered to a bot |
| 20:12.33 | dreamie | how can i go back |
| 20:12.36 | gpfreitas | chealer: You have a point, but thinking that way, no new users will ever use unstable! |
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| 20:12.54 | chealer | gpfreitas: that's an ideal situation |
| 20:13.00 | greycat | OK, FUCK YOU firefox and userfriendly.org! I'll just use XV to fucking CAPTURE THE FUCKING SCREEN. |
| 20:13.09 | chealer | s/'s/would be |
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| 20:13.18 | Zedman | tarzeau: its less a technical problem. its the first time for me to install a local network. and i dont know how the 2 pcs can be connected and share data. |
| 20:13.27 | justin | greycat: eh? |
| 20:13.32 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: It's pf. I disabled it, and all of a sudden, traffic started moving. |
| 20:13.43 | chealer | gpfreitas: the bot just developed an abbreviation that means that if you have to ask if unstable is broken, you shouldn't upgrade to it |
| 20:13.43 | justin | greycat: cp [OPTION]... SOURCE... DIRECTORY |
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| 20:13.52 | dreamie | gnea, how do i fix the sound thing? |
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| 20:14.05 | Zedman | tarzeau: btw: both pcs are already connected |
| 20:14.08 | tarzeau | Zedman: do you have a dhcp server? |
| 20:14.12 | tarzeau | Zedman: to the switch? |
| 20:14.15 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Hm, the $64 question now, what's up with my pf.conf that makes this happen... |
| 20:14.27 | gpfreitas | chealer: do you really agree with this? |
| 20:14.28 | alvanson | wow... /msg spam... never thought I'd see it here |
| 20:14.38 | chealer | gpfreitas: I really do |
| 20:14.39 | Zedman | tarzeau: no dhcp-server atm |
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| 20:14.44 | the_real_maniac | hi. I have one simple question ... apt-get build-dep does NOT do what people can think only by looking the command, it does not build the deps of _NAMEPKG_ , it installs the deps. But i want somehow to build the deps automaticly |
| 20:14.48 | greycat | apt, u =~ s#http://wooledge.org/~greg/ufng007401.gif#http://wooledge.org/~greg/uf20041201.png# |
| 20:14.48 | apt | greycat: OK |
| 20:14.48 | alvanson | greycat, you seem angry |
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| 20:14.52 | curby | if it's userfriendly.org, they're definitely doing weird/stupid IP tricks |
| 20:14.55 | the_real_maniac | So the question is HOW ? |
| 20:15.00 | greycat | alvanson: DAMN straight!@ |
| 20:15.05 | gpfreitas | chealer: I have a stable Sarge installation here, but I wanted to try unstable mainly for two reasons: |
| 20:15.05 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Indeed. |
| 20:15.08 | greycat | ravenbird, u =~ s#http://wooledge.org/~greg/ufng007401.gif#http://wooledge.org/~greg/uf20041201.png# |
| 20:15.08 | ravenbird | greycat: OK |
| 20:15.12 | tarzeau | Zedman: you can configure PC1 and PC2 manually... |
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| 20:15.16 | chealer | alvanson: you think spammers are evil but stay friendly with free software users? :-P |
| 20:15.20 | EdLin | gpfreitas: now is a particular poor time to run unstable for the wrong reasons, like "it has teh newer software" or "its more 1337" |
| 20:15.27 | tarzeau | Zedman: and the router is on the same switch too? |
| 20:15.28 | dreamie | oh no my tech support friend is gone |
| 20:15.33 | the_real_maniac | I can run apt-cache showsrc _NAMEPKG_ and then apt-get source -b _FOR-EVERY_DEP and then for the _NAMEPKG_ |
| 20:15.36 | alvanson | chealer, you have me figured out! |
| 20:15.37 | greycat | !userfriendly-- |
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| 20:15.48 | gpfreitas | (1) Newer software (2) Oportunity to help with bug reports. |
| 20:15.57 | greycat | dpkg, u =~ s#http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201#http://wooledge.org/~greg/uf20041201.png# |
| 20:15.57 | dpkg | greycat: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 20:16.00 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: My pf.conf doesn't even MENTION the new interface at the moment. |
| 20:16.02 | Zedman | tarzeau: want network adresses do nI have to use and how to see the other pc in trhe network and to sahre data? |
| 20:16.05 | gpfreitas | EdLin: ha ha ha, newer software, yes! |
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| 20:16.16 | tarzeau | Zedman: they are all debian computers? |
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| 20:16.24 | tarzeau | Zedman: i'd use shfs or nfs to share data |
| 20:16.29 | gpfreitas | EdlLin: Is it a particular bad time to use unstable because it's changing too much? |
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| 20:16.31 | Zedman | tarzeau: one sid and one sarge |
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| 20:16.36 | chealer | gpfreitas: forget about 2. it'll be harder to report bugs in unstable |
| 20:16.36 | EdLin | gpfreitas: if you can't figure out how to upgrade using apt-get, what makes you think your bug reports will be of use? |
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| 20:16.46 | tarzeau | Zedman: like / ip (ro,no_root_squash) in /etc/exports |
| 20:16.58 | chealer | gpfreitas: etch offers you a somewhat more limited 1) |
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| 20:17.00 | tarzeau | Zedman: man exports |
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| 20:17.53 | alvanson | geez, they're really pushing these free webcamera dealies |
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| 20:18.01 | Zedman | tarzeau: Is there also an program to see the network? |
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| 20:18.20 | justin | Zedman: see? |
| 20:18.25 | gpfreitas | EdLin: Well, I can upgrade the automatic way. I just don't know what expects me after I do it! Personally, I'd like to have a few things broke, so I could try to fix them. But I shouldn't, because I need to study!!! |
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| 20:18.32 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: I have a nat rule on fxp0, but none on aue0. |
| 20:18.35 | Zedman | like a gui for the network |
| 20:18.56 | gpfreitas | EdLin: "have a few things break" |
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| 20:19.03 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Hmm. Do you have a default drop rule by chance? |
| 20:19.09 | mwilson | Yes |
| 20:19.14 | EdLin | gpfreitas: a lot of things are breaking at the moment. |
| 20:19.18 | mwilson | block-policy is drop |
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| 20:19.36 | gpfreitas | EdLin: That's what I expected, but my unstable installation is running just fine! |
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| 20:19.55 | EdLin | gpfreitas: also, if you *must* run sid as a novice, install apt-listbugs |
| 20:20.00 | mwilson | But why would it drop locally-generated traffic? |
| 20:20.03 | tarzeau | Zedman: hmmm i can see my network here clearly |
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| 20:20.12 | tarzeau | Zedman: the program is called "eyes"? |
| 20:20.14 | gpfreitas | EdLin: I was just looking for some basic procedures, like: "learn to use apt-listbugs" or "have the document x in hand" |
| 20:20.20 | tarzeau | Zedman: it works better with light |
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| 20:20.29 | justin | tarzeau: heh, I have to use google maps zoomed out a few times to see mine :-) |
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| 20:20.30 | EdLin | gpfreitas: heck, even if you aren't a novice use apt-listbugs |
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| 20:21.08 | EdLin | gpfreitas: if you need to ask those kind of questions you should be running stable or perhaps testing. Stable's software at the moment is really not old. |
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| 20:21.21 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 20:21.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 20:21.24 | gpfreitas | EdLin: or "don't upgrade too much on unstable! If it's working, keep it for a while" . I want know things like that. |
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| 20:21.33 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Because, depending on how you have it written, it doesn't care if it's local or not. Only that it's trying to go out on an interface that you aren't letting it out on. |
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| 20:21.39 | greycat | gpfreitas: sounds like you already do. |
| 20:21.52 | deepan | can people see this page ?? http://203.212.229.87/deepan/hathway.html |
| 20:22.01 | EdLin | gpfreitas: I didn't know #debian was a source for giving people common sense. |
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| 20:22.28 | gpfreitas | EdLin: I know, Sarge is perfectly fine. But I want to test newer realeases of Gnome! :) |
| 20:22.31 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: The above is mostly a guess cause while I'm getting better I'm far from a pf ninja at this point. |
| 20:22.49 | maja | any one know why some one is spaming users in this channel ? |
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| 20:23.02 | greycat | maja: because he's a fucking ASSHOLE. |
| 20:23.09 | EdLin | !topicbadger maja |
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| 20:23.10 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that maja didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 20:23.13 | cadu | Gnea: it was a fscking debian mirror that gave d-i a corrupted kernel modules package |
| 20:23.17 | maja | greycat: figured |
| 20:23.22 | maja | is fucking anoying |
| 20:23.28 | mwilson | Hm, I added an explicit pass-out rule, and then it started working (the ping), I took the pass out rule out again, and it's still working. |
| 20:23.34 | mwilson | pf makes my head hurt |
| 20:23.35 | gpfreitas | EdLin: Ok, an specific question: for home users, not upgrading means a great security risk? I am behind a firewall from my ISP. |
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| 20:23.40 | cadu | Gnea: what you do earn in life by bashing others and acting like you're superior by saying 'don't use expert,it's too powerful for you' ??? |
| 20:23.44 | mwilson | But not nearly as bad as iptables does. :) |
| 20:23.48 | Gnea | cadu: yeah? which mirror and which packagename and what's the md5sum? did you file a bug with bts? |
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| 20:23.53 | cadu | Gnea: really, if you think about it , you just lose a chance of being a nice guy : ) |
| 20:23.56 | greycat | gpfreitas: not a *great* risk, but why take any risks? |
| 20:24.00 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: I SO hear you there. |
| 20:24.10 | EdLin | gpfreitas: the only Debian distribution with security support is stable (Sarge) |
| 20:24.10 | dreamie | gnea hasnt said a word |
| 20:24.12 | Gnea | cadu: oh is that what you thought? well think again, because you're wrong. |
| 20:24.14 | greycat | EdLin: woody still has it. |
| 20:24.33 | cadu | Gnea: no coz i'm not an annoying prick, i was worried about WHY d-i wasn't giving me the manual partition method, even being on expert mode |
| 20:24.34 | gpfreitas | greycat: Hmmmm... thrill. I have everything backed up, including a backup sarge installation. |
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| 20:24.43 | mwilson | Hm, since the default policy is drop, I still have to have a pass out for each external interface? That doesn't sound right. |
| 20:24.44 | EdLin | greycat: well, that's true for now as well, but I don't think he wants woody if he thinks Sarge is too old for him. |
| 20:25.08 | Gnea | cadu: that's why i gave you a solution. i'm an annoying prick for giving a solution how? |
| 20:25.10 | cadu | Gnea: well, if you think being an annoying, useless prick is cool, be it. you're nothing more than a waste to me. and go ahead and please keep bashing people that ask you a question, maybe help. |
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| 20:25.35 | gpfreitas | EdLin: I know Sarge is the only one supported by the security team, but it seems to me Unstable security fixes are done simply by releasing newer packages. |
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| 20:25.48 | EdLin | gpfreitas: not always |
| 20:25.55 | dreamie | gnea, help me pls |
| 20:26.00 | Gnea | cadu: opinions are like assholes: everyone's got one, some are bigger than others. thank you for gaping us. |
| 20:26.04 | mwilson | I wish there was a cleaner way to get this box back to a known state than rebooting it. |
| 20:26.13 | gpfreitas | EdLin: That's why I asked if not upgrading => much greater security risk |
| 20:26.16 | Gnea | dreamie: what's up? |
| 20:26.20 | cadu | Gnea: your opinion is a very useful one. :) |
| 20:26.22 | Blissex | mwilson: sandblasting? :-) |
| 20:26.26 | cadu | Gnea: hehehehe |
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| 20:26.35 | dreamie | gnea, how do i do the sound thing in the module |
| 20:26.45 | Gnea | man i just sat back down i'm waiting on food to arrive and all i do is get bashed for not even bashing others wtf |
| 20:26.50 | dreamie | gnea, talking about the website you gave me earlier about the thinkpad 390 |
| 20:26.53 | mwilson | Hm, I put the pass into the file, and pings started moving, but why didn't they stop moving again when I took it out? |
| 20:26.58 | Gnea | dreamie: sec |
| 20:27.12 | cadu | Gnea: you're getting bashed? |
| 20:27.16 | greycat | mwilson: scarynetworkguy: maybe you should take it to #pf or #openbsd |
| 20:27.21 | dreamie | gnea, i did have no sound in windows and i didnt know why |
| 20:27.31 | Gnea | cadu: yeah, by you. now go pull the rat out of your anal cavity. |
| 20:27.43 | cadu | Gnea: "hello , i'm using expert mode, any tips on why it isn't showing me manual partition for disks?" "don't use expert mode, it's too powerful for you" |
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| 20:27.46 | gpfreitas | EdLin: I have the option of running Ubuntu, which was fine to me until I heard a few rumors that the Ubuntu people were not trying to stay compatible with Debian (I read this in many places). |
| 20:27.49 | Gnea | dreamie: hrm... lspci | grep audio |
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| 20:28.06 | mwilson | greycat: I'm banned from openbsd. I was mean to people. |
| 20:28.08 | Falcons_roost | dose anyone have a good bitotorrent windows based client |
| 20:28.15 | dreamie | ok gnea |
| 20:28.16 | Gnea | cadu: oh you took that literally - it's called sarcasm and if you can't hack it then perhaps debian isn't for you. |
| 20:28.23 | greycat | Falcons_roost: do we look like a fucking windows channel? |
| 20:28.31 | Falcons_roost | no |
| 20:28.32 | gpfreitas | Edlin: Remember: the reason is not newer software in the broad sense. It's all about GNOME software. |
| 20:28.33 | dreamie | gnea: multimedia audio controller |
| 20:28.33 | cadu | Gnea: oh my god ! /me runs for #ubuntu :) |
| 20:28.43 | tarzeau | mwilson: that's lame |
| 20:28.43 | Gnea | cadu: please do. |
| 20:28.56 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 20:28.57 | Gnea | cadu: by all means, feel free to stop lobbing at me |
| 20:29.01 | mwilson | tarzeau: it's Han's channel, he can do whatever he likes. |
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| 20:29.04 | Shadowcat | anybody played with Software Suspend 2 in here? |
| 20:29.15 | Falcons_roost | finnally i found a bunch linuxs nuts |
| 20:29.16 | Gnea | dreamie: kewl, does it say what kind? |
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| 20:29.21 | EdLin | gpfreitas: GNOME suffers frequent breakage in sid because it has so many dependencies, it may very well be if you need the latest GNOME that Ubuntu might be best. |
| 20:29.31 | tarzeau | mwilson: true. |
| 20:29.35 | dreamie | neomagic corporation magicmedia |
| 20:29.38 | HCTC | if I put my adsl router into bridge mode, what do I need to make debian handle the adsl connection? rp-pppoe ? |
| 20:29.39 | Gnea | úúú Now ignoring MSGS from CADU!*@* (refnum 1) |
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| 20:29.52 | dreamie | gnea, After sifting through the ALSA code for a while, I found the solution. There is a rather undocumented module parameter to disable the PnP functionality in the driver, called isapnp. My modprobe lines for the driver look like this: |
| 20:29.52 | dreamie | modprobe snd-opl3sa2 port=0x120 dma1=0 dma2=1 irq=5 wss_port=0x530 fm_port=-1 midi_port=-1 isapnp=0 |
| 20:29.52 | dreamie | modprobe snd-mixer-oss |
| 20:29.52 | dreamie | modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 20:29.56 | tarzeau | mwilson: we've had #windows but we were not allowed to do what we liked. |
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| 20:30.01 | gpfreitas | EdLin: Maybe I could try the newer Gnome packages in Sarge, but I just don't know how to compile it, |
| 20:30.07 | dreamie | did you get that gnea |
| 20:30.10 | tarzeau | mwilson: i don't think #windows is the same like #microsoft-windows |
| 20:30.10 | dreamie | i was kicked off |
| 20:30.17 | Gnea | dreamie: heh yeah, shouldn't paste here |
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| 20:30.24 | tarzeau | mwilson: we were happily discussing different manufacturers of windows, and also doors |
| 20:30.25 | greycat | dreamie: we, like, noticed. |
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| 20:30.38 | tarzeau | mwilson: but suddenly lilo came and took it away mumbling about freenode channel policy bullshit |
| 20:30.46 | tarzeau | i will never forget that. it was wrong |
| 20:30.47 | Gnea | dreamie: yeah - |
| 20:30.47 | deepan | can you people see this page.. please let me know.. http://203.212.229.87/ |
| 20:30.50 | gpfreitas | EdLin: and backports.org still has not the newest gnome. |
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| 20:31.09 | tarzeau | deepan: don't work |
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| 20:31.30 | Gnea | dreamie: sorry i'm extremely hungry right now and am trying not to lose my sanity |
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| 20:31.37 | dreamie | http://www.sem-co.com/%7Esnowman/thinkpad390.html |
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| 20:32.02 | dreamie | gnea, who else can help me? |
| 20:32.05 | gpfreitas | EdLin: as I told you, it would be fine for me to run Ubuntu, but I don't want to support a "debian fork". It's still not clear to me if they are being cooperative or not with Debian developers. |
| 20:32.06 | nvz | oh wow, porn spam |
| 20:32.11 | dreamie | gnea, i appreicate that youve been so helpful to me |
| 20:32.17 | greycat | nvz: really? |
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| 20:32.25 | streuner | nvz: wtf you haven't set +E? |
| 20:32.29 | nvz | greycat: yeah I just got on and didnt set my mode yet |
| 20:32.30 | Gnea | dreamie: try this: modprobe snd-opl3sa2 |
| 20:32.36 | tarzeau | streuner: ah, i was looking for you |
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| 20:32.43 | atom-z | whats the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 20:32.48 | greycat | nvz: that was sarcasm, by the way |
| 20:32.50 | Gnea | dreamie: then read dmesg and see if it errored out |
| 20:32.55 | greycat | atom-z: man apt-get |
| 20:32.58 | nvz | greycat: I hadn't noticed ;) |
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| 20:33.04 | dreamie | can't locate snd-op13sa2 |
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| 20:33.15 | greycat | dreamie: lowercase L, not 1 |
| 20:33.19 | greycat | oh pee ell |
| 20:33.21 | madradrone | wow i just got 5 private messages spamming for a sex site |
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| 20:33.28 | greycat | !topicsmite madradrone |
| 20:33.28 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon madradrone. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 20:33.43 | dreamie | can't locate module snd-opl3sa2 |
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| 20:33.47 | nitin | guys when i do apt-get install apache it breaks with Can't read /etc/apache/modules.conf |
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| 20:33.47 | nitin | No such file or directory |
| 20:33.47 | nitin | Configuration syntax error detected. Not reloading. |
| 20:33.47 | nitin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.47 | nitin | fopen: No such file or directory |
| 20:33.47 | nitin | apache: could not open document config file /etc/apache/modules.conf |
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| 20:33.52 | mwilson | gpfreitas: Is there some reason why they should be? |
| 20:33.54 | greycat | dreamie: uname -r |
| 20:33.55 | madradrone | from: BLADE1 Caprio_^^ herzamanp inci_ semiha^ ZurnaNet7555 |
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| 20:33.58 | fester | Hi there.. I need help with fiber switches.. just a quick question if a switch has 2 fiber ports and the rest are rj45 can you daisy chain 3 of them together via fiber? |
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| 20:34.19 | fester | sorry i know its debian channel. but need help urgently .. thank you |
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| 20:34.23 | dreamie | 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 20:34.32 | tarzeau | fester: try it, and tell us if it worked? |
| 20:34.40 | greycat | !find opl3sa2 sarge |
| 20:34.42 | nvz | n=memoli_c@mstr195175-34575.dial-in.ttnet.net.tr too :P |
| 20:34.43 | madradrone | it says i need to be operator to /mode +E myself |
| 20:34.46 | fester | Im going to buy the switches.. |
| 20:34.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'opl3sa2' (4 of 34): (/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k6/updates/alsa/snd-opl3sa2.o) in sound/alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-k6 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k7/updates/alsa/snd-opl3sa2.o) in sound/alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/updates/alsa/snd-opl3sa2.o) in sound/alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/updates/alsa/snd-opl3sa2.o) in sound/alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386. |
| 20:35.05 | fester | but i need to know if they can be linked via fiber.. |
| 20:35.06 | greycat | should oughta be there. |
| 20:35.07 | dreamie | event not found |
| 20:35.11 | tmg1|stoon | fester: Oddly, I probably have access to that information but it would cost me too much to warrent getting |
| 20:35.12 | tarzeau | dreamie: want to try 2.4.31 ? |
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| 20:35.27 | fester | huh? |
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| 20:35.33 | sombra | how can I set a specific text in the top of multiple files+ |
| 20:35.34 | sombra | ? |
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| 20:35.46 | greycat | sombra: edit them in a fucking editor |
| 20:35.47 | EdLin | madradrone: is your nick registered? |
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| 20:35.52 | tarzeau | greycat: heh |
| 20:35.55 | madradrone | EdLin: yes |
| 20:35.55 | tarzeau | sombra: how many files? |
| 20:35.59 | sombra | greycat, don't thik so |
| 20:36.01 | sombra | 100 |
| 20:36.02 | cr3 | I can't apt-get install ogg123, I get the message that's it's referred to by another package but can't be installed. what could be the problem? |
| 20:36.14 | tarzeau | sombra: there's a trick |
| 20:36.17 | greycat | sombra: wow, must suck to be you. |
| 20:36.19 | tarzeau | sombra: it's called awk or sed |
| 20:36.23 | dreamie | greycat, so how do i get it |
| 20:36.35 | greycat | dreamie: "modprobe snd-opl3sa2" should work as root. |
| 20:36.41 | alvanson | cr3: look in vorbis-tools |
| 20:36.46 | dreamie | i tried it in root |
| 20:36.48 | sombra | tarzeau, I know, or perl, It was just a quetion, echo >> write to the EOF |
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| 20:36.49 | dreamie | and it doesnt for me |
| 20:36.54 | cr3 | alvanson: cheers |
| 20:37.01 | alvanson | np |
| 20:37.09 | gpfreitas | mwilson: Well, it seems to me that (1) it would be very polite to do so, because they are standing on Debian shoulders, and (2), it might be strategically wise, because going away too much from Debian might give them more work, not less (because they could be standing on Debian shoulders). |
| 20:37.10 | greycat | sombra: appending doesn't require rewriting the whole fucking file. PREpending DOES. |
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| 20:37.52 | cr3 | alvanson: how could I solve problems like that myself? |
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| 20:38.34 | alvanson | cr3: I just happen to know that it was in there... sometimes an 'apt-cache search <what you're looking for>' helps |
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| 20:39.04 | alvanson | wow... deleting GNOME frees ~400MB |
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| 20:39.15 | greycat | !alvanson++ |
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| 20:39.37 | tarzeau | alvanson: about the same for KDE |
| 20:39.58 | greycat | how much for deleting GNUstep? |
| 20:39.58 | cadu | greycat: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/ is missing 'etch' ...what should i do ? |
| 20:39.58 | tarzeau | but who will clean up the crumbs from your keyboard without GNOME? |
| 20:40.02 | cr3 | alvanson: how do I update the cache after adding something to sources.list? |
| 20:40.06 | tarzeau | greycat: not much, not worth it ;) |
| 20:40.09 | greycat | cadu: how would I know? |
| 20:40.21 | cadu | greycat: dunno :) you're a debian mastär :) |
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| 20:40.38 | Analina | Good evening :) my apt doesn't work, it says temporary failure resolving blabla, i know i should fix sources.list, but dunno what exactly.. |
| 20:40.39 | dondelelcaro | cadu: just bootstrap sarge and upgrade. |
| 20:40.40 | alvanson | cr3: 'apt-get update'... 'man apt-get' and 'man apt-cache' will further educate you on the excellence that is apt |
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| 20:40.58 | tarzeau | camli_f, feride, hatice, these are all turkish names, that join here |
| 20:40.59 | dondelelcaro | Analina: run apt-setup; and pick a different mirror |
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| 20:41.02 | tarzeau | i think they are all bots |
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| 20:41.08 | cadu | dondelelcaro: i did worse ! ln -s sarge etch |
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| 20:41.18 | dondelelcaro | cadu: uh, that's not going to do it |
| 20:41.18 | Analina | i ran it, still doesn't work |
| 20:41.18 | cadu | dondelelcaro: but i think it'll do, it'll just install sarge :) |
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| 20:41.23 | alvanson | greycat: wondering... who are you banning? |
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| 20:41.25 | cadu | dondelelcaro: it's already doing :) |
| 20:41.32 | greycat | alvanson: spambots |
| 20:41.33 | dondelelcaro | cadu: yes, but it's totally pointless. |
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| 20:41.35 | alvanson | ah |
| 20:41.41 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Hm, you think it's enough to nat to the new interface, or do I actually have to use route-to? |
| 20:41.42 | cadu | dondelelcaro: it's actually installing sarge right ? |
| 20:41.46 | dondelelcaro | cadu: yes. |
| 20:41.50 | cadu | dondelelcaro: so be it :) |
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| 20:42.03 | cadu | dondelelcaro: i'm in a hurry here, can't afford to lose a minute :) |
| 20:42.08 | dreamie | greycat, if its saids can't locate module snd-opl3sa2 what should i do? |
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| 20:42.10 | greycat | !hurry |
| 20:42.11 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 20:42.19 | cadu | !idiot |
| 20:42.19 | dpkg | I know you are, but what am I?, or someone who tries to use a Ubuntu package on Debian and calls it a dpkg issue when dependencies dont resolve |
| 20:42.22 | cadu | :) |
| 20:42.25 | greycat | dreamie: updatedb && locate opl3sa2 |
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| 20:42.43 | dreamie | greycat, what is the command? |
| 20:42.54 | greycat | that, like, IS the command. |
| 20:42.58 | atom-z | how can I re-run the network setup utility (that I first used inside the debian installer)? |
| 20:43.04 | tarzeau | atom-z: you can't |
| 20:43.14 | tarzeau | greycat: i think he/she wants to understand what it does |
| 20:43.19 | tarzeau | dreamie: man man |
| 20:43.38 | alvanson | greycat, to answer your question, GNUStep would take 56.2MB of space |
| 20:43.49 | streuner | atom-z: try base-config |
| 20:43.50 | greycat | well, that's less horrible than gnome. |
| 20:44.11 | meppl | lart, ja? |
| 20:44.12 | jkern | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.13 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: That bit I'm not sure on. Not having gone there myself yet. |
| 20:44.16 | greycat | every time you run base-config instead of reading a man page and learning the right way to configure your box, you lose a brain cell forever. |
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| 20:44.21 | dondelelcaro | atom-z: it's network-console-config; iirc. Regardless, just man 5 interfaces; |
| 20:44.24 | dreamie | greycat, how do i update it? |
| 20:44.27 | atom-z | tarzeau, ok, fair enough. I want to basically configure it to automatically configure the network via dhcp (as opposed to the static setup i have now). is it simply a matter of apt-get install dhcp-client (or something of the like) |
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| 20:44.38 | tarzeau | atom-z: man interfaces |
| 20:44.40 | streuner | atom-z: its just easier to tell us what i-net connection you have... |
| 20:44.41 | alvanson | greycat, xfce only took like 30-some-odd megs |
| 20:44.48 | EdLin | jkern: time to update your password |
| 20:44.53 | greycat | !man interfacdes |
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| 20:44.55 | greycat | !man interfaces |
| 20:44.55 | dpkg | Edit /etc/network/interfaces. For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg |
| 20:44.56 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: hello. how are you?> |
| 20:44.57 | tarzeau | alvanson: xfce doesn't get your work done |
| 20:45.04 | alvanson | tarzeau, explain |
| 20:45.05 | atom-z | ah i see |
| 20:45.05 | tarzeau | alvanson: or can it tell you when your tea is ready? |
| 20:45.19 | tarzeau | alvanson: gnustep is a meta package that pulls down gnuwash.app |
| 20:45.22 | atom-z | ok, i'll read the manpage |
| 20:45.23 | atom-z | thanks |
| 20:45.29 | alvanson | tarzeau, my stopwatch can tell me if my tea is ready |
| 20:45.33 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: like every weekend i'm in here. pissed (not yet) |
| 20:45.33 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: load-balance makes it sound like you have to explicitly use route-to, but all I care about is one subnet go one way, the other go the other way, so I think that maybe all I have to do is nat them appropriately. |
| 20:45.34 | alvanson | (on my wristwatch) |
| 20:45.34 | greycat | read the man page that dpkg just gave! it's better. |
| 20:45.41 | dreamie | greycat, how do i update it and look for it |
| 20:45.45 | streuner | atom-z: read /usr/share/ifupdown/examples/ too |
| 20:45.49 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: :) |
| 20:45.52 | tarzeau | alvanson: and also the pizza, and the washing machine? |
| 20:45.58 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: And let the kernel send traffic where it needs to go. |
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| 20:46.01 | greycat | dreamie: you are VERY annoying. |
| 20:46.03 | atom-z | ok |
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| 20:46.10 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Makes sense to me. Yeah. Should work. |
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| 20:46.21 | deepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.26 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: yourself? |
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| 20:46.41 | EdLin | tarzeau: there's a screenshot of NeWS using a pizza-ordering program |
| 20:46.41 | alvanson | tarzeau, the washing machine's buzz is loud enough to hear upstairs and the pizza is ready when the delivery guy rings the doorbell! :P |
| 20:46.42 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: fine |
| 20:46.42 | greycat | deepan: what fucking OS are you running? |
| 20:46.43 | tarzeau | EdLin: show me |
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| 20:46.55 | tarzeau | alvanson: awww ;) i give up |
| 20:47.04 | tarzeau | alvanson: i hate xfce |
| 20:47.05 | EdLin | tarzeau: I forgot the URL, maybe it's on (or linked to) on wikipedia |
| 20:47.07 | alvanson | tarzeau, you like GNUStep? |
| 20:47.10 | tarzeau | alvanson: amiwm fits on a floppy |
| 20:47.21 | tarzeau | alvanson: i like OPENSTEP, and GNUstep well it comes near to it, yes |
| 20:47.29 | tarzeau | alvanson: certainly i can't stand GNOME nor KDE |
| 20:47.29 | alvanson | ah... well then :P |
| 20:47.32 | greycat | deepan: did you ACTUALLY think your /sbin/services command EXISTS on Debian? Or that we'd be able to HELP you with this? |
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| 20:48.02 | alvanson | greycat, sounds like deepan is using something with djb's daemontools or something |
| 20:48.06 | tarzeau | alvanson: it sucks in debian though, because of the directory structure and FHS |
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| 20:48.13 | dreamie | sigh |
| 20:48.16 | greycat | alvanson: no, daemontools uses a /service directory and the svc command. |
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| 20:48.27 | tompos | hi |
| 20:48.30 | alvanson | greycat, right... I... knew... that... yes... |
| 20:48.31 | greycat | I'm guessing something Red Hat based. |
| 20:48.38 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: but angry, because untill now they did not send me pserver username and password. |
| 20:48.58 | tompos | when i try to install samba, i get the following messages |
| 20:49.01 | tompos | Setting up samba (3.0.14a-3) ... |
| 20:49.01 | tompos | TDBSAM version too old (0), trying to convert it. |
| 20:49.01 | tompos | TDBSAM converted successfully. |
| 20:49.01 | tompos | account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 1 (min password length), returning 0 |
| 20:49.01 | tompos | account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 2 (password history), returning 0 |
| 20:49.01 | tompos | account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 3 (user must logon to change password), returning 0 |
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| 20:49.05 | dreamie | how do i change the host name? |
| 20:49.13 | greycat | !faq dreamie |
| 20:49.14 | dpkg | dreamie: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 20:49.36 | isleshocky77 | Hello Room |
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| 20:49.37 | tompos | i'm sorry |
| 20:49.44 | fken | hello i need to know the dependancies from : checking for initscr in -lncurses... no |
| 20:49.45 | fken | checking for initscr in -lcurses... no |
| 20:49.45 | fken | configure: error: this packages requires a curses library |
| 20:49.47 | nkuttler | !tell tompos about paste |
| 20:49.56 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: can you not translate more stuff? what about gnustep stuff? ;) |
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| 20:49.59 | isleshocky77 | Does anyone have any good tutorials for getting Xwin to work with the Debian 3.1 XServer |
| 20:50.11 | alvanson | anyone here have an opinion on 'runit' or 'daemontools'? |
| 20:50.28 | greycat | !faq fken |
| 20:50.28 | dpkg | fken: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:50.37 | alvanson | fken, you need a curses library... libncurses5-dev is one |
| 20:50.40 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: you mean translate gnustep? |
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| 20:50.47 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: applications, yes |
| 20:50.49 | alvanson | fken, curses development package I meant to say |
| 20:50.54 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: to armenian language |
| 20:51.04 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: np |
| 20:51.06 | Fox_1_ | :) |
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| 20:51.14 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: tell me your email address |
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| 20:51.19 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: i'll send you the stuff |
| 20:51.28 | alvanson | I shall translate everything to my new language which, by coincidence, is exactly the same as English |
| 20:51.38 | cadu | !xwin |
| 20:51.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xwin is a developing, alternate implementation of X. http://xwin.org, or just a website |
| 20:51.59 | fken | alvanson : omg : I installed the non dev package and hadnt seen the dev one ! thank you |
| 20:52.05 | alvanson | fken, np |
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| 20:52.16 | joefso | Is it possible to make my cursor blink in xterm? |
| 20:52.17 | greycat | fken: it's on the FRONT PAGE of the fucking channel FAQ too. |
| 20:52.22 | greycat | joefso: no |
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| 20:52.33 | joefso | greycat: why not? |
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| 20:52.37 | Schiz0 | How can I find out how much data has been transfered on a network interface since last reboot? I'm trying to write a xchat script |
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| 20:52.49 | tarzeau | Schiz0: ifconfig tells so? |
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| 20:53.09 | greycat | Schiz0: ifconfig -a |
| 20:53.10 | fken | greycat : im using kirc and i cant see every word of the front page sorry (thats the explanation) |
| 20:53.13 | Schiz0 | Thanks |
| 20:53.19 | nkuttler | joefso: because you didn't rtfm? |
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| 20:53.22 | greycat | fken: 1) /topic |
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| 20:53.27 | greycat | fken: 2) 16:50 dpkg> fken: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:53.28 | fken | alvanson : its working thanks |
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| 20:53.48 | joefso | nkuttler: I did, read the fine manual. But it didn't say why. |
| 20:53.56 | alvanson | omg... I never knew GAIM did IRC |
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| 20:54.07 | Mortalman | I don't know how that happened. |
| 20:54.10 | Mortalman | lol |
| 20:54.11 | fken | greycat : i noticed that but alvanson answered me |
| 20:54.12 | joefso | nkuttler: and it says XFree86 xterm does |
| 20:54.16 | cadu | Mortalman: whoa :) |
| 20:54.18 | joefso | nkuttler: from mid 1999 |
| 20:54.22 | greycat | because alvanson's not bright enough yet. |
| 20:54.23 | Schiz0 | Hmm...I ran ifconfig -a, and it said about 50 megs on eth0, I'm sure I transfered ALOT more then that since last reboot, does it reset after it gets to high or something? |
| 20:54.40 | alvanson | greycat, :( |
| 20:54.47 | Schiz0 | I thought the script was messed up...a few days ago it said almost 8 gigs.. then it went back to 0 |
| 20:54.49 | greycat | !stupid answer |
| 20:54.52 | wols_ | Schiz0: yes |
| 20:54.54 | nkuttler | joefso: fyi, mine does |
| 20:54.56 | greycat | grrr. |
| 20:54.57 | Schiz0 | Ah. That sucks. |
| 20:54.59 | Schiz0 | Thanks |
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| 20:55.03 | wols_ | Schiz0: 32bit counter |
| 20:55.10 | Schiz0 | That would do it |
| 20:55.18 | greycat | !stupid answers |
| 20:55.18 | dpkg | Giving someone the literal answer to their stupid question, when you KNOW it will cause them to damage their system, qualifies as a stupid answer. Also, spoon-feeding someone the answer to their FAQ instead of making them read the FAQ just leads them to ask *more* stupid questions; so that's a stupid answer too. |
| 20:55.25 | jkern | joefso, in ~/.Xresources : XTerm*VT100*cursorBlink: on then do xrdb ~/.Xresources |
| 20:55.32 | greycat | dpkg, stupid answer is <reply> see stupid answers |
| 20:55.32 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 20:55.49 | alvanson | I figure that even if it is in TFM, if the amount of work to answer the question is equal to that of saying 'RTFM', then I'd pick the former |
| 20:55.52 | mage | anyone here program ncurses? |
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| 20:56.06 | greycat | alvanson: in my case it was "!faq fk<TAB><ENTER>" |
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| 20:56.22 | alvanson | greycat, touche |
| 20:56.22 | mage | theres commands like mvaddch and mvprintw, but what if I want to move separately? move(y,x) doesn't appear working |
| 20:56.43 | joefso | jkern: awesome man, what other cool things do you have in your .Xresources? |
| 20:56.49 | dreamie | ok |
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| 20:57.07 | greycat | mage: it should. |
| 20:57.28 | jkern | joefso, join #flood and I give you some examples |
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| 20:58.09 | alvanson | I'm looking to put the scrollbar on the right in rxvt. I have the line 'rxvt*scrollBar_right: True' in my ~/.Xdefaults but the bar is still on the left. What am I doing wrong? |
| 20:58.12 | atom-z | greycat|home, you get home pretty damn fast |
| 20:58.15 | harleyg | greycat! |
| 20:58.29 | greycat | atom-z: it's my spam lure. |
| 20:58.37 | atom-z | i see |
| 20:58.38 | greycat | atom-z: and also my #idlerpg clone |
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| 21:00.05 | k-man | how do i get X to open another virtual console on ctrl+alt+f8? |
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| 21:00.18 | greycat | k-man: startx -- :1 |
| 21:00.24 | k-man | i mean to always open it there at bootup? |
| 21:00.35 | greycat | the one on tty7 isn't there on boot either! |
| 21:00.38 | greycat | not for me! |
| 21:00.43 | mage | greycat: you're probably right, even mvaddch isn't working for me |
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| 21:02.07 | mage | hah I forgot to refresh |
| 21:02.39 | nkuttler | mage: read /usr/share/doc/libncurses5-dev/ |
| 21:02.41 | justin | k-man: find /etc -name Xservers |
| 21:03.00 | mage | heh I'm actually making use of the google today |
| 21:03.05 | k-man | thanks justin |
| 21:03.11 | greycat | mage: as opposed to every other day? |
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| 21:03.47 | mage | well, sometimes google, sometimes read man pages, othertimes try asking people |
| 21:03.54 | joefso | I have a lot of *.txt files, I would like to search for a string in it, so I do cat *.txt | grep word. But how do I know what file it is in? |
| 21:04.06 | dreamie | can not open input device:configured mouse |
| 21:04.07 | greycat | joefso: grep word *.txt |
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| 21:04.08 | dreamie | what do i do |
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| 21:04.34 | EdLin | joefso: you don't need to use cat, use grep word *.txt, then the file name will be displayed by default. |
| 21:04.40 | mage | greycat: alternating keeps things interesting |
| 21:04.40 | greycat | dreamie: load the mousedev driver if it's a USB mouse |
| 21:04.48 | dreamie | no |
| 21:04.50 | dreamie | its the laptop |
| 21:04.51 | nkuttler | joefso: grep pattern file |
| 21:05.01 | greycat | dreamie: which device did you tell it to use? |
| 21:05.13 | dreamie | /dev/inout/mice |
| 21:05.19 | dreamie | /dev/input/mice |
| 21:05.19 | mage | *input |
| 21:05.32 | k-man | justin, nothing |
| 21:05.34 | fken | next problm with alsa installation : WARNING: Error inserting snd_seq_device (/lib/modules/2.6.11-9-amd64-k8/kernel/sound/acore/seq/snd-seq-device.ko): Invalid module format |
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| 21:05.52 | mage | dev inout would be humorusly redundant |
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| 21:05.55 | drac | fken: run "dmesg" command and check the last messages |
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| 21:06.28 | fken | drac : which one ? about the faq ? |
| 21:06.49 | dreamie | ok so what do i do about that? |
| 21:06.55 | drac | fken: to see why it says "Invalid module format" |
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| 21:07.12 | wooden | hi |
| 21:07.19 | greycat | dreamie: load the mousedev driver, then. |
| 21:07.29 | dreamie | how do i do that |
| 21:07.31 | greycat | dreamie: or use /dev/psaux for the PS/2 mouse device (which most touchpads are) |
| 21:07.35 | fken | drac : ok I noticed that and was writing which command line i wrote : modprobe snd-ca0106;modprobe snd-pcm-oss;modprobe snd-mixer-oss;modprobe snd-seq-oss |
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| 21:07.39 | wooden | knows anyone how to get volume-statistcs with mrtg? |
| 21:07.53 | drac | fken: look at dmesg.. please |
| 21:07.58 | wooden | no byte/s i mean 20gb in this week :) you know |
| 21:08.02 | fken | dmesg |
| 21:08.10 | dreamie | how do i run the xfree installer again |
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| 21:08.14 | greycat | !drxx |
| 21:08.15 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 21:08.35 | fken | drac : how ? |
| 21:08.47 | skate | aren't those oss modules going to conflict with alsa? |
| 21:08.51 | nkuttler | fken: type it in a shell |
| 21:09.07 | fken | oh ok pfff Im not awake today ! |
| 21:09.23 | Gnea | fken: who is? |
| 21:09.37 | mr | hi folks |
| 21:09.47 | nvz | not me |
| 21:10.08 | fken | do you need the entire dmesg in a nopaste website or only the last line ? |
| 21:10.23 | Gnea | hrm, can anyone resolve dsl118-230.pinebelt.net ? |
| 21:10.27 | nvz | I went and had a 2nd look at that guitarshredshow.com now that I got sound in firefox.. determined that I cant shred very much on an acoustic |
| 21:10.36 | drac | fken: only the error line about modprobing alsa module |
| 21:10.40 | fken | gnea : who is ? what are you meaning ? |
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| 21:11.02 | abrotman | Gnea: seemingly no |
| 21:11.06 | Gnea | fken: lol you said you're not awake, i was asking "who is awake?" |
| 21:11.18 | Gnea | abrotman: :( |
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| 21:11.22 | fken | Gnea: oh ok |
| 21:11.25 | lart__ | meppl sux |
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| 21:11.29 | lart__ | meppl sux |
| 21:11.33 | Gnea | !troll lart__ |
| 21:11.37 | lart__ | !troll Gnea |
| 21:11.40 | dreamie | which one best describes my mouse for a laptop? ps/2 imps/2 glidepoints ps/2 netmouse ps/2 |
| 21:11.46 | lart__ | meppl: fuckin retard, answer meppl |
| 21:11.49 | lart__ | *me |
| 21:11.51 | abrotman | !ops lart__ |
| 21:11.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: lart__ |
| 21:11.55 | dreamie | netscrolls ps/1 thinkingmouse ps/2 |
| 21:11.55 | lart__ | meppl: I'M TALKING TO YOU, MOTHER FUCKER |
| 21:12.08 | streuner | lart__: stfu |
| 21:12.09 | antgel | i'd ignore it but it's like a car crash |
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| 21:12.14 | Gnea | !ops lart__ is an annoyance. |
| 21:12.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: lart__ is an annoyance. |
| 21:12.16 | fken | aaaaaaargh ! I wanna cry ! everytime the same error with everything ! there are many line like that but ill only show you one : snd_seq_oss: version magic '2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 gcc-4.0' should be '2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 gcc-3.4' |
| 21:12.18 | lart__ | streuner: go fuck yourself. |
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| 21:12.31 | lart__ | meppl: alder, antworte |
| 21:12.32 | tarzeau | lart__: if you could at least make it MOTHER HUGGER, there is minors here |
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| 21:12.50 | abrotman | what a pussy .. didn't even wait to get kicked |
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| 21:13.11 | fken | should i simply uninstall gcc4 and install gcc3.4 ? |
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| 21:13.26 | greycat | fken: YOU ARE RUNNING SID?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!111one |
| 21:13.30 | fken | because ive the same problem with nvidia drivers |
| 21:13.34 | greycat | IDIOT! |
| 21:13.45 | abrotman | and the dumbass is even id'ed .. someone should report him to staff :) |
| 21:13.45 | fken | greycat : not sid but testing 64 |
| 21:13.48 | subgv | How to change the mouse cursor in debian? |
| 21:13.49 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 21:13.49 | dpkg | sid faq is, like, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:13.52 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 21:13.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 21:13.53 | tarzeau | fken: READ IT |
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| 21:14.11 | dreamie | weird |
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| 21:14.20 | hume | is there a way to enable debug mode in KPiolt without compiling the package myself? |
| 21:14.21 | meppl | k |
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| 21:14.27 | meppl | whatever |
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| 21:14.30 | fken | tarzeau : the debian-amd64 chan is a dead town |
| 21:14.30 | abrotman | meppl: do you know him? |
| 21:14.40 | tarzeau | fken: so? |
| 21:14.46 | tarzeau | fken: who has amd64 anyways? |
| 21:14.47 | dreamie | xsession:unable to start x session no /root/xsession file no session managers no windows manage terminal emulators found |
| 21:14.56 | meppl | yes, my stalker |
| 21:14.58 | meppl | or pet |
| 21:14.58 | antgel | !ops (said this this morning but noone around) can we have something in the topic telling them to ask properly, at least tell them to /msg dpkg ask? it's been painful today |
| 21:14.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: (said this this morning but noone around) can we have something in the topic telling them to ask properly, at least tell them to /msg dpkg ask? it's been painful today |
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| 21:15.14 | abrotman | antgel: noone reads the topic |
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| 21:15.27 | tarzeau | antgel: your first weekend in here? |
| 21:15.30 | Gnea | meppl: you need to get that shithead taken care of. |
| 21:15.43 | antgel | abrotman: yeah but we are sinking to the lowest common denominator |
| 21:15.54 | antgel | tarzeau: yeah. i used to have a girlfriend. |
| 21:15.55 | abrotman | antgel: also .. see the chanserv notice .. it tells you to /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 21:16.08 | tarzeau | antgel: i guess you better get one soon again (even if it's only for the weekends ;) |
| 21:16.21 | dreamie | gnea? |
| 21:16.21 | fken | tarzeau>every people who trust in people from linux who were saying "hey ! linux works well with amd64 bits architecture" ... |
| 21:16.37 | tarzeau | fken: go bug those people |
| 21:16.42 | tarzeau | fken: it works well, just use the i386 stuff |
| 21:16.50 | fken | tarzeau>lol |
| 21:16.50 | antgel | abrotman: they're less likely to read chanserv |
| 21:16.56 | Gnea | dreamie: yes? |
| 21:16.57 | tarzeau | fken: what's so lol about it? |
| 21:17.05 | abrotman | antgel: noone reads anything in this channel when they enter |
| 21:17.13 | fken | tarzeau>nothing its because im stressed |
| 21:17.17 | dreamie | several questions but i started startx and i got that message |
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| 21:17.38 | antgel | tarzeau: tell me about it. i got a java project to work on, which keeps me busy as i can't fathom why the whole thing is so painful |
| 21:17.50 | tarzeau | antgel: i. hate. java. |
| 21:18.14 | antgel | abrotman: i hear ya. nonetheless it should be in the topic as it's fundamental. more so than ssl being broken or kde 3.4. |
| 21:18.19 | dreamie | gnea, xsession:unable to start x session no /root/xsession file no session managers no windows manage terminal emulators found |
| 21:18.35 | abrotman | antgel: probably won't get changed :) |
| 21:18.37 | Gnea | dreamie: ah ok, did you install x-window-system? |
| 21:18.43 | abrotman | antgel: the broken ssl was important .. not sure it still is |
| 21:18.58 | dreamie | yes i installed x-window-system core |
| 21:19.07 | Gnea | hrm |
| 21:19.16 | Gnea | then you need a window manager to go along with it |
| 21:19.22 | abrotman | x-window-system-core |
| 21:19.29 | streuner | hm |
| 21:19.32 | abrotman | which WM or DE ? |
| 21:19.35 | Gnea | dreamie: if you type X by itself, do you get a grey screen and an 'X' cursor? |
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| 21:19.45 | dreamie | yes |
| 21:19.46 | tarzeau | you can use an x server without window manager |
| 21:19.52 | antgel | dreamie: don't start x as root |
| 21:19.52 | abrotman | we know that |
| 21:20.09 | fken | posseidon:/usr/src/alsa-utils-1.0.9a# apt-get install gcc ->answer from system -> gcc-4.0 will be installed |
| 21:20.14 | antgel | i bet dreamie built x |
| 21:20.22 | Gnea | dreamie: what sort of desktop environment are you looking for? something windows-like or something... better? |
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| 21:20.27 | fken | i cannot do anything |
| 21:20.28 | cr3 | how come mpg123 looks like it's playing an mp3 file just fine but I'm not hearing anything? I looked at the loaded modules and snd* modules seem to be there just fine. Any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 21:20.37 | antgel | cr3: mixer? |
| 21:20.48 | nkuttler | cr3: turn up the volume |
| 21:20.50 | dreamie | better |
| 21:20.56 | fken | so... |
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| 21:21.00 | antgel | cr3: perhaps your ears are full of cabbage |
| 21:21.04 | fken | only one way |
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| 21:21.25 | Gnea | dreamie: apt-get install enlightenment epplets eterm |
| 21:21.28 | cr3 | antgel: I have aumix installed and increased the volume for all devices, still doesn't work. |
| 21:21.39 | fken | can someone tell me how i can recompile my kernel exactly like it is now but recompile with gcc-4.0 ? |
| 21:21.39 | antgel | cr3: have you unmuted them? |
| 21:21.46 | EmleyMoor | cr3: Sure the mp3 is good? |
| 21:21.49 | cr3 | antgel: sorry, can't hear you, I have a banana in my ear (Police Squad, me thinks) |
| 21:21.50 | antgel | fken: don't think you can |
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| 21:21.58 | fken | antgel why ? |
| 21:22.01 | nkuttler | fken: edit the Makefile |
| 21:22.04 | cr3 | EmleyMoor: yeah, and I tried a few others as well just in case. |
| 21:22.07 | dreamie | gnea, couldnt find package |
| 21:22.09 | antgel | fken: why is a crooked letter |
| 21:22.25 | cr3 | antgel: according to aumix, they don't seem muted |
| 21:22.33 | dreamie | nevermind |
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| 21:22.39 | fken | nkuttler> make menuconfig ? |
| 21:22.43 | Gnea | dreamie: ok |
| 21:22.48 | antgel | fken: i have heard rumours akin to such. search the bts. i just know you haven't. |
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| 21:22.52 | cadu | how can i restart the d-i without restarting the pc ? |
| 21:22.53 | nkuttler | fken: vi Makefile |
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| 21:23.07 | antgel | cr3: hmm. have you ever had sound working on the machine? |
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| 21:23.17 | abrotman | fken: you cannot |
| 21:23.17 | nkuttler | cr3: do you use alsa? |
| 21:23.30 | abrotman | cadu: restart the pc |
| 21:23.30 | dreamie | gnea: its done |
| 21:23.44 | abrotman | cadu: or try to start going back in the menu |
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| 21:23.49 | fken | antgel>i dont get anything |
| 21:23.50 | abrotman | !tell root_____ about root |
| 21:23.56 | Gnea | dreamie: ok, create a ~/.xinitrc file with the following: |
| 21:23.58 | antgel | fken: indeed |
| 21:23.58 | abrotman | fken: YOU CANT |
| 21:23.59 | Gnea | #!/bin/sh |
| 21:24.03 | Gnea | exec enlightenment |
| 21:24.10 | cr3 | antgel: not yet, but I do hear a beep when I do something wrong. |
| 21:24.23 | Gnea | dreamie: chmod 700 .xinitrc then startx (all as user) |
| 21:24.26 | fken | abrotman : i already saw you wrote you cant |
| 21:24.37 | antgel | cr3: well that's sound, don't complain :P beep from the soundcard or pc internal speaker? |
| 21:24.37 | abrotman | then why are you still trying? |
| 21:24.44 | cr3 | nkuttler: I think so, but providing mpg123 with the arguments -o alsa doesn't work, only -o oss seems to prevent mpg123 from complaining |
| 21:24.59 | nkuttler | cr3: try alsamixer |
| 21:25.07 | fken | abrotman im trying to understand what antgel is telling to me |
| 21:25.10 | dreamie | gnea, can not access to .xinitrc no such file |
| 21:25.17 | nkuttler | dreamie: create it |
| 21:25.21 | Gnea | dreamie: right, you have to create it |
| 21:25.23 | abrotman | probably something in english |
| 21:25.26 | antgel | 22:23 < fken> antgel>i dont get anything |
| 21:25.31 | fken | abrotman : (the answer of the why i cannot) |
| 21:25.31 | antgel | 22:23 < antgel> fken: indeed |
| 21:25.39 | dreamie | gnea, how do you create it? |
| 21:25.46 | Gnea | dreamie: with vi or nano |
| 21:25.57 | Gnea | WHY DO PEOPLE HAVE TO PASTE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION SNIPPETS |
| 21:26.03 | dreamie | vi .xinitrc |
| 21:26.06 | cr3 | antgel: not sure, it's a laptop. |
| 21:26.08 | Gnea | yeah |
| 21:26.21 | antgel | Gnea: don't have to. |
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| 21:26.33 | Gnea | antgel: then stop, please. |
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| 21:26.43 | dreamie | how do you edit in vi? |
| 21:26.50 | fken | so wich distribution would be able to make me happy with my 64bits arch my SB live 7.1 and my geforce 6600 ? |
| 21:26.51 | antgel | cr3: you already determined the correct snd module to modprobe and seen it in the lsmod list? |
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| 21:26.53 | nkuttler | dreamie: echo exec /usr/bin/enlightenment > ~/.xsession |
| 21:26.54 | abrotman | <Gnea> WHY DO PEOPLE HAVE TO PASTE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION SNIPPETS .. what do you mean? |
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| 21:27.15 | cr3 | antgel: yes, snd_intel8x0 |
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| 21:27.20 | fken | cause stopping using linux for too much time will kill me |
| 21:27.25 | antgel | Gnea: i rarely do it, almost never |
| 21:27.27 | Gnea | dreamie: i will get you into 'insert' mode, esc will bring you back out of it, :wq will write and quit |
| 21:27.41 | antgel | fken: jesus, this is now an important mission for us :) |
| 21:27.43 | nvz | man this gtkguitune is pissing me off I am tired of having to goto a windows box to tune my guitar. |
| 21:28.01 | nvz | I know the sound card is working I can hear the damn thing through the speakers |
| 21:28.16 | cr3 | nkuttler: I'm running alsamixergui and getting: snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 21:28.18 | fken | antgel>so you are advicing us to pray ? omg ! |
| 21:28.35 | Gnea | cr3: are you in the audio group? |
| 21:28.37 | fken | antgel>can i simply install a 32bit release ? |
| 21:28.45 | tarzeau | fken: yes |
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| 21:28.56 | antgel | fken: i think for all our sanity you should install stable i386 |
| 21:29.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: heh |
| 21:29.09 | Zedman | hello. on sarge I cant see eth0 in the network-status display. But eth0 is supposed to be my intranet-card. How to configure eth0 via dhcp? |
| 21:29.11 | dreamie | so you create .xinitrc |
| 21:29.16 | cr3 | Gnea: nope, but I tried running it again as root and still doesn't work. |
| 21:29.20 | fken | and then trying to add EMT64 paquage :D ? |
| 21:29.22 | dreamie | write chmod 700 .xinitrc |
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| 21:29.33 | valdyn | Zedman: read the faq |
| 21:29.35 | Gnea | cr3: alsaconf |
| 21:29.41 | antgel | cr3: get in the audio group, logout, login. don't fuck around as root |
| 21:29.43 | nkuttler | dreamie: type "echo exec /usr/bin/enlightenment > ~/.xsession" |
| 21:30.11 | nvz | gah now the damn thing isnt working again I wish I had another sound card somewhere |
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| 21:30.20 | ma3x | Why I can view only Peripherals-> Digital Camera in the KDE Control Panel? Nothing else is there, it used to be a lot of options. |
| 21:30.22 | Gnea | dreamie: working? |
| 21:30.28 | dreamie | nkuttler, i did |
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| 21:30.36 | nkuttler | dreamie: startx |
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| 21:30.40 | Gnea | ma3x: what did you change? |
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| 21:30.59 | dreamie | gnea, no. it went in and out |
| 21:30.59 | ma3x | Gnea, nothing, just did apt-get update, upgrade |
| 21:31.20 | antgel | Zedman: have you read the debian reference? |
| 21:31.21 | Gnea | dreamie: oh - you made it 2 lines though? |
| 21:31.34 | dreamie | no |
| 21:31.51 | Gnea | dreamie: .xinitrc should be the following: |
| 21:31.54 | Gnea | #!/bin/sh |
| 21:31.58 | Gnea | exec enlightenment |
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| 21:32.00 | Gnea | ^^^ that's it |
| 21:32.05 | Zedman | antgel: no... |
| 21:32.26 | antgel | Zedman: don't you think you should, particularly the entire fucking chapter on network configuration? :) |
| 21:32.29 | antgel | 22:23 < antgel> fken: indeed |
| 21:32.31 | antgel | oops sorry |
| 21:32.38 | antgel | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 21:32.39 | cr3 | Gnea: which package contains alsaconf? |
| 21:32.47 | Gnea | cr3: alsa-utils |
| 21:32.48 | antgel | cr3: alsa-utils |
| 21:32.48 | toresbe | hmm, I've got a problem with XDMCP... I'm trying to query my AlphaServer |
| 21:32.53 | h0bbel | Anyone want to help a lost soul install java? |
| 21:33.02 | nvz | IAFT! |
| 21:33.02 | antgel | !tell h0bbel about install java |
| 21:33.03 | toresbe | but I get this in my X log |
| 21:33.09 | Gnea | !tell h0bbel about java |
| 21:33.21 | toresbe | AUDIT: Sun Aug 28 21:23:30 2005: 7168 X: client 2 rejected from IP 192.168.1.119 port 1862 |
| 21:33.25 | toresbe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:34.04 | wooden | knows anyone how to get volume-statistcs with mrtg? |
| 21:34.05 | wooden | no byte/s i mean 20gb in this week :) you know |
| 21:34.08 | dreamie | something is wrong with the mouse |
| 21:34.11 | h0bbel | Gnea: read it, downloaded from www.blackdown.org and ran make-jpkg, got "No matching plugin was found." as a result. :/ |
| 21:34.18 | dreamie | it keeps going to the bottom left corner |
| 21:34.21 | toresbe | I'm invoking X with "X -query 192.168.1.119 -ac" |
| 21:34.30 | toresbe | dreamie: You're using the wrong protocol, then |
| 21:34.43 | Gnea | dreamie: but the mouse works when you type X by itself? |
| 21:34.44 | antgel | h0bbel: what file did you download? |
| 21:34.59 | nvz | well I got the fucker working but it bounces around too much to be at all useful |
| 21:35.02 | h0bbel | doh, i should have downloaded the SDK, right antgel ? |
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| 21:35.26 | vosti | how can I set my system clock in utc instead of cest? |
| 21:35.31 | antgel | !tell toresbe about mit-magic-cookie |
| 21:35.44 | antgel | h0bbel: did you read the make-jkpg manual? |
| 21:35.46 | nkuttler | nvz: *cough* use your ears |
| 21:35.58 | toresbe | antgel: thanks |
| 21:36.00 | h0bbel | antgel: yes |
| 21:36.06 | nvz | nkuttler: my ears are only good for relative tuning |
| 21:36.12 | h0bbel | antgel: j2re-1.4.2-02-linux-i586.bin is the one i downloaded |
| 21:36.19 | EdLin | vosti: relink /etc/localtime |
| 21:36.24 | antgel | nvz: doesn't matter unless you're playing with a record or band |
| 21:36.30 | nkuttler | nvz: ok, tuning forks are nice |
| 21:36.45 | antgel | nvz: also, as long as you don't tune really high and bend the neck / break strings |
| 21:37.05 | nvz | matters plenty being a half step out of tune or more makes a bad guitar player sound even worse |
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| 21:37.26 | vosti | EdLin, thanks |
| 21:37.29 | antgel | h0bbel: hmm, should be ok. i had success with jdk-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin |
| 21:37.36 | EdLin | vosti: np |
| 21:37.40 | h0bbel | antgel: then i ran fakeroot make-jpkg j2re-1.4.2-02-linux-i586.bin |
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| 21:37.49 | nvz | the whole reason I play is to hear the sound of the acoustic guitar and I know enough to know when its not in tune and its no longer worth hearing then |
| 21:37.56 | antgel | h0bbel: is your .bin file chmod +x? |
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| 21:38.31 | h0bbel | antgel: it wasn't, but is now. Same result. |
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| 21:39.18 | antgel | h0bbel: there's interesting differences in your filename and mine. you have full stops, i have underscores, you have j2re, i have jre. did you download from sun? |
| 21:39.21 | nvz | gtkguitune will only cause me to break strings cause I cant tell which of the 16 notes its hopping between is the one I am on |
| 21:39.53 | h0bbel | antgel: no, "downloaded from www.blackdown.org" ;-) |
| 21:39.56 | antgel | nvz: advise you to get a real tuner |
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| 21:40.12 | antgel | h0bbel: excellent point. :) try sun if it's all the same to you? |
| 21:40.22 | h0bbel | antgel: had some real problems downloading from sun with lynx |
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| 21:40.46 | nvz | AP Guitar Tuner.exe works fine, though its a windows program I am about to try get it to run in wine |
| 21:40.51 | antgel | h0bbel: lynx is so old. try elinks or links2? |
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| 21:41.18 | h0bbel | antgel: hmm, that might be an idea |
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| 21:41.39 | antgel | h0bbel: i think i managed it with elinks but not sure. you have to click on the stupid yes button which reloads the page |
| 21:42.07 | antgel | h0bbel: or if you have x, you could use firefox or whatever |
| 21:42.10 | h0bbel | antgel: i'll try, lynx never got to the downloads page |
| 21:42.17 | h0bbel | antgel: no X, remote ssh only. :) |
| 21:42.19 | dreamie | gnea, can i delete x-window-system-core? |
| 21:42.20 | antgel | h0bbel: afaik, lynx is dormant |
| 21:42.27 | antgel | h0bbel: so ssh -X |
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| 21:42.40 | h0bbel | antgel: well, no X installed at all |
| 21:42.48 | antgel | h0bbel: not at the far end? |
| 21:42.52 | h0bbel | nope |
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| 21:43.05 | EdLin | dreamie: if you do chances are it will only delete the meta-package |
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| 21:43.31 | fken | ok good night everyone |
| 21:43.35 | antgel | h0bbel: fair enough. i admire your hardcore stance. alternatively i could put my file somewhere for you, but only have 256k upload, and you don't know me from adam :) |
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| 21:43.59 | dreamie | how do i logout of enlightenment without using the cursor? |
| 21:44.17 | antgel | dreamie: not logout as such but crtl-alt-bs kills x |
| 21:44.22 | h0bbel | antgel: well, i could put the file on my homw box and thn move it over, but that'll be slooow too. :) |
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| 21:44.41 | dreamie | contrl-alt-bs? |
| 21:44.52 | nkuttler | dreamie: backspace |
| 21:44.55 | Mortalman | What's that /mode +? that blocks bot spammers ?? |
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| 21:45.04 | antgel | h0bbel: jre 1.5.0 is about 16mb |
| 21:45.06 | nkuttler | Mortalman: /topic |
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| 21:45.19 | dreamie | ok |
| 21:45.28 | h0bbel | antgel: fark it, i'll download it at home and then transfer it. |
| 21:45.30 | dreamie | how do i fix the cursor problem |
| 21:45.31 | Mortalman | nkuttler: thanks |
| 21:45.33 | Coercion | lol |
| 21:45.47 | Coercion | so i got a question peepl |
| 21:45.53 | antgel | h0bbel: you may also like to file a bug against java-package if there isn't one already |
| 21:46.00 | Coercion | i need to configure xscreensaver and tried to locate the binary but cant find it |
| 21:46.11 | Coercion | i'm using gdm with blackbox |
| 21:46.24 | antgel | Coercion: did you read the manual? |
| 21:46.28 | Coercion | yeahp |
| 21:46.34 | Coercion | xscreensaver-demo cant be found |
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| 21:46.48 | Coercion | i can adjust it by the config |
| 21:46.55 | Coercion | but i'd rather use the gui u know |
| 21:47.01 | outlaw84 | where was that file located that could blacklist modules? |
| 21:47.25 | antgel | Coercion: xscreensaver-demo is in the xscreensaver package. installs in /usr/bin |
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| 21:47.37 | EdLin | outlaw84: /etc/hotplug/blacklist (from memory) |
| 21:47.39 | phretor | hi ther |
| 21:47.40 | phretor | e |
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| 21:48.10 | Kerr | umm.. |
| 21:48.12 | outlaw84 | EdLin: does that work for ALL modules? not just hotplugable models? |
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| 21:48.18 | phretor | do I need to patch the kernel in order to use bootsplash? |
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| 21:48.31 | jnc | phretor: apparently, yep |
| 21:48.32 | Coercion | i'm looking in /usr/bin no xscreensaver binary |
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| 21:48.43 | Coercion | yet i do get a screensaver running after inactivity |
| 21:48.46 | Coercion | any ideas? |
| 21:48.47 | paht | <efterya> Free WebCamera Sex Movie For sign = |
| 21:48.48 | jnc | phretor: in addition to, you'd want to set up a custom initrd |
| 21:48.49 | antgel | Coercion: try installing the xscreensaver package |
| 21:48.50 | paht | spam detected!! |
| 21:48.51 | EdLin | outlaw84: well, discover might be loading them too, but I don't know about discover. |
| 21:49.01 | Coercion | will it conflict with the screensaver already running |
| 21:49.02 | Coercion | ? |
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| 21:49.13 | antgel | Coercion: what screensaver? |
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| 21:49.22 | phretor | jnc to much effort for a graphical bitch |
| 21:49.24 | phretor | :-) |
| 21:49.27 | Coercion | i got a screensaver similar to microsoft's marquees |
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| 21:49.36 | Coercion | running after a time of inactivity |
| 21:49.42 | Kerr | my kb messed up whilst i w1as in work; 1's 1appe1ar a1fter every a, the shift key types Z, the q key types 7q, a1ltz+1 closes a1 window.. ergh, i highly doubt a1 keyboa1rd would b0rk like tha1t when nobody wa1s using it.. a1ny ide1a wha1t is wrongz? |
| 21:49.42 | h0bbel | antgel: found a direct dl link. :) |
| 21:49.48 | Kerr | -z |
| 21:49.51 | antgel | Coercion: well why not get rid of that? |
| 21:49.53 | jnc | phretor: well that's how it is |
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| 21:49.58 | Coercion | i dont know what it is |
| 21:50.04 | Coercion | any idea how i could find out |
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| 21:50.17 | antgel | h0bbel: good work, soon you'll be like me, sitting there wondering... WHAT IS IT DOING WITH ALL THESE PROCESSOR CYCLES? |
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| 21:50.38 | EdLin | Kerr: someone spilled something on the keyboard? |
| 21:50.39 | h0bbel | hehe |
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| 21:51.17 | Kerr | EdLin: it's a spla1shproof kb (hell, i found it on top of a1 skip in 1a thunderstorm) 1and i locked my room when i left. |
| 21:51.18 | antgel | Coercion: i haven't got a clue. apt-cache search screensaver? |
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| 21:52.06 | EdLin | Kerr: buy a new keyboard, the cheapest are about $10US |
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| 21:52.23 | Kerr | no ca1sh, 1and i love this kb :-/ |
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| 21:52.41 | antgel | Kerr: i hate that kb |
| 21:52.42 | nvz | I can't believe I was dumb enough to even try and tune something with that piece of shit. that thing is like a short-circuting oscilliscope |
| 21:52.45 | Kerr | lol |
| 21:52.45 | EdLin | Kerr: nobody repairs keyboards, buy a new one. |
| 21:53.01 | EdLin | !lol |
| 21:53.02 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line. Everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a Knoppix user. |
| 21:53.15 | Kerr | a1wesome |
| 21:53.17 | nvz | I repair keyboards |
| 21:53.21 | Kerr | lol lol lol. |
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| 21:53.28 | jnc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.31 | antgel | Kerr: put it in a glass case, anything, just please stop using it |
| 21:53.36 | jnc | dang it |
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| 21:53.39 | EdLin | nvz: for how much? |
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| 21:53.50 | dbrock | something keeps resetting my routing table |
| 21:53.55 | Kerr | beleive it or not, typing without 1a keyboa1rd is difficult. |
| 21:54.00 | nvz | I repair just about anything.. cause I dont believe in buying shit that wont make me any money. and I dont make any money on the pc.. so all the shit I got for free and most of it I had to fix |
| 21:54.29 | EdLin | nvz: that's a good attitude. |
| 21:54.42 | nvz | thats why I am glad Microsoft is still going strong.. they make people throw shit away due to software problems |
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| 21:54.51 | antgel | h0bbel: i'm typing this from a ssh x session over 256k adsl. everything works great, but for this fucking java app that i have to run. it's been loading for 30 minutes or so. |
| 21:54.59 | h0bbel | hehe |
| 21:55.05 | dbrock | what should I do in order to have an entry that I've added stay in the routing table? Currently I'm doing while true ; do sleep 5 ; sudo route add -host 255.255.255.255 tap0 ; done |
| 21:55.06 | EdLin | nvz: yeah, the "my computer's getting slower from cruft" syndrome |
| 21:55.09 | antgel | nvz: beware of false economies. opportunity cost etc |
| 21:55.10 | h0bbel | grr, the package didn't build antgel :/ |
| 21:55.24 | EdLin | nvz: not to mention spyware infection |
| 21:55.30 | antgel | h0bbel: should have some errors |
| 21:55.38 | h0bbel | yeah, and then it died |
| 21:55.39 | wols_ | dbrock: have you edited your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:56.02 | antgel | dbrock: what wols_ said. man interfaces |
| 21:56.22 | dbrock | wols_: I thought about that, but when I looked in it I got the impression that routes shouldn't go there |
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| 21:56.23 | nvz | I actually buy things sometimes I dont need.. like my guitar.. but I make exceptions for sake of sanity.. a lot of the neighbors joke around about me playing the guitar on the corner. I need to start telling them, well I could have bought a gun. :) |
| 21:56.27 | dbrock | antgel, wols_: okay, thanks |
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| 21:56.34 | antgel | dbrock: hold on, what's making the route disappear? |
| 21:56.53 | nvz | I _am_ rather partial to the sub-compact glock I hear they can even shoot underwater |
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| 21:57.19 | wols_ | antgel: that's something I'm puzzled about too. only thing I could think of might be dhcp leases |
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| 21:57.46 | madradrone | hey can someone mode +E me? i'm getting a crapload of PM spams |
| 21:57.48 | antgel | wols_: i don't even know what tap0 is. |
| 21:57.55 | antgel | madradrone: you can |
| 21:58.13 | nvz | I would never have to use a tuner on a gun, and anyone who didnt like the way it sounded wouldnt be around long enough to complain |
| 21:58.22 | wols_ | antgel: virtual interface IIRC. for things like UML or vmware |
| 21:58.27 | EasterSunshine | X is using dvorak layout, my consoles aren't, is there a way to fix this? |
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| 21:58.30 | nvz | I bet after hearing that they would be glad I play the guitar |
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| 21:58.41 | eutopia | how do you maximise windows in KDE withour using mouse and keyboard keys only? |
| 21:58.50 | k-man | how do i tell if the debian xmame was compiled with lirc enabled? |
| 21:59.01 | madradrone | antgel: hmm. earlier it said i must be operator to do it. now it says "E :is unknown mode char to me" |
| 21:59.36 | eutopia | does anyone know please how do you maximise windows in KDE without using the mouse? |
| 21:59.40 | wols_ | k-man: get the source package and look in the scripts |
| 21:59.47 | wols_ | especially the one calling configure |
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| 21:59.52 | antgel | EasterSunshine: have you read the debian manual? |
| 21:59.55 | k-man | ok |
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| 22:00.08 | madradrone | antgel: ah sorry. i had it backwards that's why |
| 22:00.23 | EasterSunshine | antgel: spy, you are right, i should try that first |
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| 22:00.27 | antgel | eutopia: kde docs? |
| 22:00.31 | war- | How do I launch gstreamer in KDE with Etch? what is the binary called? it is not gstreamer or gst |
| 22:00.32 | antgel | EasterSunshine: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-l10n |
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| 22:00.39 | eutopia | antgel: nothing |
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| 22:00.55 | justin | war-: what do you think gstreamer is? |
| 22:00.59 | resiak | war-: Erm... There's no gstreamer daemon or anything, so what are you trying to do? |
| 22:01.02 | antgel | eutopia: hmm. #kde? |
| 22:01.02 | madradrone | eutopia: why not right-click on the window menu icon and read what it is yourself? |
| 22:01.06 | war- | gstreamer is a movie player |
| 22:01.08 | war- | for gnome |
| 22:01.12 | war- | or at least it used to be (gst) |
| 22:01.13 | eutopia | maximize windows without mouse is not written about |
| 22:01.24 | antgel | that's pretty shit documentation |
| 22:01.27 | justin | war-: no, gstreamer is a media framework |
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| 22:01.44 | eutopia | madradrone: there is no help information about maximize windows without a mouse |
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| 22:01.59 | iLLf8d | lo all anyone here have a laptop with an intel m900 chipset that runs properly on a 1280x768 laptop lcd? |
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| 22:02.04 | madradrone | eutopia: alt-shift-f3 |
| 22:02.13 | h0bbel | antgel: my bad... moved the sun download to /tmp and ran make from there. :) |
| 22:02.17 | h0bbel | antgel: that kinda helped. :) |
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| 22:02.51 | eutopia | madradrone: alt-shift-f3 does NOT work |
| 22:02.51 | antgel | h0bbel: good |
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| 22:03.06 | h0bbel | antgel: yeah, downloaded the file as root, seems like that was the problem |
| 22:03.13 | EasterSunshine | antgel: thx, worked like a charm |
| 22:03.15 | eutopia | madradrone: alt-shift-f3 does NOT work! any other ideas? |
| 22:03.20 | h0bbel | antgel: thanks |
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| 22:03.27 | antgel | !tell EasterSunshine about reference |
| 22:03.34 | madradrone | eutopia: read the window menu in the titlebar |
| 22:03.36 | dbrock | antgel: yeah, I don't know what's making it disappear |
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| 22:03.52 | eutopia | madradrone: nothing there to read, try again |
| 22:04.02 | mops | in which package is "import" utility that can I use for making screenshots? |
| 22:04.11 | antgel | dbrock: so what i said won't help, that only sets the route up on ifup. |
| 22:04.19 | EasterSunshine | i didn't know about the reference; i am on ubuntu |
| 22:04.20 | dbrock | I'm not sure why the DHCP client would delete routes for unrelated networks |
| 22:04.36 | dbrock | antgel: I realized that too :-) |
| 22:04.37 | antgel | dbrock: it's a pretty interesting problem but i fear i don't have time. how long does the route stay up> |
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| 22:04.52 | madradrone | eutopia: then you're not using kde |
| 22:04.57 | dbrock | antgel: longer than a few minutes, shorter than an hour |
| 22:05.04 | ma3x | /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: |
| 22:05.07 | ma3x | /sbin/start-stop-daemon: stat dirmngr: No such file or directory (No such file or directory) |
| 22:05.07 | ma3x | whats that? |
| 22:05.08 | ma3x | how do i fix it? |
| 22:05.13 | ma3x | i keep getting it always |
| 22:05.22 | dbrock | I should research it more thoroughly |
| 22:05.28 | eutopia | madradrone: im using KDE and it doesnt tell me what key combo to use to maximise any window without using a mouse. |
| 22:05.29 | antgel | dbrock: hmm. perhaps disable dhcp as an experiment? then you can sort dhclient out |
| 22:05.38 | dbrock | antgel: yeah, good idea |
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| 22:05.58 | madradrone | eutopia: do you know what a titlebar is? |
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| 22:06.04 | Webby` | How many CDs are required to install debian? |
| 22:06.11 | Webby` | Is it true it is over 7? |
| 22:06.21 | alvanson | Webby`, that's just the number of CDs available |
| 22:06.22 | antgel | ma3x: it means you uninstalled dirmngr and didn't purge it (maybe) |
| 22:06.22 | drac | Webby`: 14 |
| 22:06.24 | justin | eutopia: maybe you should stop whining and LOOK? it is shown in numerous places, and EVERY KEY BINDING is listed in the control panel.. under... key bindings |
| 22:06.28 | Webby` | Ouch 14? |
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| 22:06.37 | alvanson | Webby`, you have a highspeed connection? |
| 22:06.37 | antgel | Webby`: you don't need them all |
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| 22:06.46 | Webby` | Yes, i have cable |
| 22:06.55 | antgel | Webby`: have you read the install guide |
| 22:06.56 | alvanson | Webby`, http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 22:06.59 | Webby` | ok |
| 22:07.00 | Webby` | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.06 | alvanson | Webby`, also check out the Install Guide |
| 22:07.09 | Webby` | ok |
| 22:07.24 | antgel | !tell Webby` about install guide |
| 22:07.34 | subgv | How to change the mouse cursor in debian? |
| 22:07.42 | me_here | wich channel is dedicated for cpp issues and discussions ? |
| 22:07.55 | me_here | s/for/to/ |
| 22:07.56 | justin | me_here: #c++ ? |
| 22:08.12 | me_here | justin: thx |
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| 22:08.29 | dreamie | gnea? |
| 22:08.32 | dbrock | hmm, repeatedly doing sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't touch the route even though DHCP is enabled |
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| 22:08.43 | alvanson | ooo, IPv6 |
| 22:08.46 | dbrock | :-) |
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| 22:09.34 | dbrock | I really don't understand IPv6 --- how do people get IPv6 addresses? |
| 22:10.08 | dbrock | are they using some kind of IPv6-IPv4-isomorphism? |
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| 22:10.18 | alvanson | dbrock, I believe that is how it works |
| 22:10.24 | subgv | justin: know how to change the mouse cursor? |
| 22:10.39 | dbrock | so I could get an IPv6 address right now? |
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| 22:11.08 | dbrock | by just translating my IPv4 address to IPv6 according to this isomorphism and then... what? |
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| 22:11.20 | dreamie | weird |
| 22:11.26 | dbrock | Fleck: fill us in here :-) |
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| 22:11.28 | ma3x | why the hell do i have only 'digital camera' in the kde control center |
| 22:11.29 | dreamie | now i have a desktop but nothing is on it |
| 22:11.29 | ma3x | ? |
| 22:11.31 | alvanson | sometimes it's just fun to watch the domains of people coming in and out... caught two people near me so far |
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| 22:11.37 | antgel | dbrock: you could check the logs at the time when the route vanishes |
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| 22:11.46 | Fleck | dbrock m? |
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| 22:11.49 | dbrock | antgel: hmm, the logs of what? :-) |
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| 22:12.06 | dbrock | Fleck: we're wondering how you got your IPv6 address |
| 22:12.06 | antgel | dbrock: syslog for starters? |
| 22:12.08 | lessoff | dbrock: no, if you have an ipv6 address but your ISP or the end point doesnt support ipv6, then you need to encapsulate the ipv6 protocol within ipv4 so you can send it out. |
| 22:12.26 | Fleck | dbrock Tunnel broker (IPV6 over IPv4) |
| 22:12.27 | lessoff | dbrock: there are ipv4 <-> ipv6 gateways on the net to do that. |
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| 22:12.41 | carlinhos | hi there, has somebody k3b crashed on debian sid after an upgrade? |
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| 22:12.50 | dbrock | and how do I get an IPv6 address if my ISP doesn't even support it? |
| 22:12.50 | antgel | carlinhos: not me. |
| 22:12.51 | lessoff | dbrock: but ipv6 is really pointless if your ISP doesnt support it yet, since you just end up encapsulating. |
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| 22:13.01 | lessoff | dbrock: the only thing its good for is the leetness factor on IRC :P |
| 22:13.06 | alvanson | agreed |
| 22:13.07 | carlinhos | mmm |
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| 22:13.14 | dbrock | lessoff: don't underestimate the leetness factor :-) |
| 22:13.24 | antgel | apparently there are enough ip6 addresses for us all to have one, and one for each of our cocks |
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| 22:13.35 | Fleck | lol |
| 22:13.37 | ChatNoir | hey |
| 22:13.49 | carlinhos | hi there, has somebody k3b crashed on debian sid after an dist-upgrade? |
| 22:14.00 | chealer | !tell carlinhos about bts |
| 22:14.02 | alvanson | carlinhos, not since last time you asked |
| 22:14.03 | antgel | !tell carlinhos about ask |
| 22:14.09 | dbrock | I think it's healthy for people to start using IPv6 addresses even though it might actually still be pointless |
| 22:14.34 | alvanson | one day there shall be the ONE BIG SWITCHOVER where everybody goes to IPv6 |
| 22:14.36 | dbrock | it puts pressure on applications to support it |
| 22:14.37 | alvanson | *yeah, right8 |
| 22:14.38 | carlinhos | sorry was dist-upgrade not upgrade for this reason i repeated the post |
| 22:15.08 | dbrock | alvanson: O, how great that day shall be! |
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| 22:15.44 | alvanson | note to self: do not play 'jumpnbump' with TWO AI players |
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| 22:16.38 | Mortalman | alvanson: what? |
| 22:16.56 | alvanson | Mortalman, tis a fun game |
| 22:17.10 | alvanson | Mortalman, but the AI on it is really stupid |
| 22:17.14 | outlaw84 | how do you compile a single kernel module? the rest of the kernel was just compiled... |
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| 22:17.53 | antgel | outlaw84: i've been there, always finished up doing a rebuild with the same --append-to-version= |
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| 22:18.25 | antgel | outlaw84: then you can dpkg -i over the old one and hope that you don't need to reboot due to depmod |
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| 22:19.10 | jim | outlaw84: did you use kernel-package to compile? |
| 22:19.16 | outlaw84 | I used "make-kpkg buildpackage --initrd -rev Custom.1-8 kernel_image" the last time... should I run the same command and add --append-to-version ? |
| 22:19.30 | Mortalman | alvanson: Where is this game? URL? package? |
| 22:19.35 | outlaw84 | 8 being my versioning |
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| 22:19.48 | alvanson | Mortalman, package jumpnbump |
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| 22:20.24 | jim | outlaw84: I would use something like... make-kpkg --initrd -rev Custom.1-8 kernel_image |
| 22:20.33 | jim | (what is buildpackage?) |
| 22:20.35 | Mortalman | alvanson: thanks |
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| 22:21.12 | subgv | Can someone give me some hints on changing the dang mouse cursor? please... |
| 22:21.19 | jim | but anyways, did you bump your version before compiling? |
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| 22:21.43 | outlaw84 | jim: what do you mean? |
| 22:21.45 | atom-z | ok... /dev/dvd existed last time I used ogle, but it doesnt now |
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| 22:21.51 | atom-z | how can I get it back? |
| 22:22.05 | Fleck | atom-z mknod? :) |
| 22:22.16 | Fleck | or just |
| 22:22.23 | Fleck | make link to /dev/hdX |
| 22:22.55 | alvanson | I know it's offtopic, but what would you recommend for programming a quick script in Windows (requires GUI) |
| 22:23.12 | jim | outlaw84: piece it together... figure out each word of what I said... look them up in a dictionary if necessary... once at this point, think... if still problems, /msg dpkg sicco and follow that suggestion when asking questions |
| 22:23.13 | antgel | alvanson: wher do you want to go today? |
| 22:23.16 | Fleck | alvanson delphi? :) |
| 22:23.34 | alvanson | be there an OSS solution to that? |
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| 22:23.50 | antgel | alvanson: what does your quick script fucking do? |
| 22:23.52 | jim | outlaw84: in case you didn't get this part, I'm lazy and I will not pull teeth to extract information today |
| 22:23.52 | Fleck | what do you mean? |
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| 22:24.08 | Guerin | alvanson: perl/tk |
| 22:24.15 | alvanson | I was looking at TCL/TK |
| 22:24.25 | dreamie | so what do you do when there is nothing in enlightenment |
| 22:24.34 | antgel | dreamie: take drugs |
| 22:24.36 | alvanson | launches a program with certain command line options specificed in the program |
| 22:24.49 | jim | dreamie: seek a new master |
| 22:24.53 | antgel | alvanson: will a desktop shortcut not do? |
| 22:25.06 | alvanson | antgel, no, the options change each time |
| 22:25.09 | dreamie | i mean the xfree enlightenment |
| 22:25.09 | outlaw84 | Its "dump your version" i wasn't sure about, I guess you are asking if I increased the version... Yea I do that everytime... 8 is for the 8th kernel for my system |
| 22:25.28 | jim | oh, I may have mistyped... |
| 22:25.30 | jim | let's see |
| 22:25.38 | Markov | can you apt-get tomcat version 5.5? |
| 22:25.43 | nkuttler | dreamie: what are you talking about? |
| 22:25.49 | antgel | Markov: nope |
| 22:25.58 | dreamie | enlightenment desktop |
| 22:26.09 | antgel | dreamie: are we supposed to be psychic? |
| 22:26.14 | Markov | dreamie, www.get-e.org |
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| 22:26.43 | nkuttler | !tell dreamie about sicco |
| 22:26.46 | Markov | antgel, that stinks... seems like nobody has it in there packaging system |
| 22:26.49 | antgel | Markov: you need to download it from apache. i stuck it in /opt. |
| 22:27.07 | jim | antgel: he is interested in attaining enlightenment... evidently, he has the expectation that everyone here is enlightened... |
| 22:27.10 | Markov | antgel, yeah... I'm going to wait for it to get into portage :) |
| 22:27.21 | antgel | Markov: with good reasons. 1. it's java-centric. 2. it's a fucking bloated cocking mess |
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| 22:27.55 | jim | portage? this must not be for debian... |
| 22:27.59 | antgel | Markov: in fairness, the tarball worked well for me, but then i read the docs like a good chap |
| 22:28.00 | Markov | antgel, are you saying that tomcat 5.5 is crappier than older versions? |
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| 22:28.20 | antgel | Markov: no, i'm saying that tomcat is crappier than anything else, ever. |
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| 22:28.42 | jim | tomcat was meant to be a reference implementation... not an optimized one |
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| 22:28.59 | antgel | just the idea of tomcat annoys me :) |
| 22:29.12 | antgel | and the name |
| 22:29.12 | Markov | heheh. what's wrong with tomcat? |
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| 22:29.19 | Markov | aside from the name |
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| 22:29.25 | jim | then any java servlet container also annoys you maybe? |
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| 22:29.32 | antgel | Markov: it doesn't let me do anything that i couldn't do before |
| 22:29.36 | antgel | jim: i reckon :) |
| 22:29.46 | outlaw84 | is there a way to see what file a package has wrote? |
| 22:29.56 | Markov | antgel, you can code webapps in java! :) |
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| 22:30.17 | antgel | Markov: yeah. don't know what that lets me do that i couldn't do before. |
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| 22:30.19 | nkuttler | outlaw84: dpkg -L package, man dpkg for what it shows you |
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| 22:30.27 | jim | outlaw84: dpkg --help... this has all the neat little tricks dpkg can do |
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| 22:30.54 | phretor_ | why gtk-theme-switch doesn't see the same fontlist of kde font changing tools? |
| 22:30.59 | jim | it depends on if you have the package installed or not |
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| 22:31.08 | dreamie | okenlightenment epplets eterm |
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| 22:31.18 | dreamie | enlightenment epplets eterm |
| 22:31.29 | dreamie | that was what i was talking about |
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| 22:31.36 | antgel | Markov: except collapse in a sea of speed issues and pretentious documentation |
| 22:31.41 | subgv | Can someone give me some hints on changing the dang mouse cursor? please... |
| 22:31.44 | antgel | dreamie: i have to /ignore you |
| 22:31.48 | justin | subgv: google |
| 22:31.53 | antgel | subgv: may i suggest that you fgi it |
| 22:31.55 | nkuttler | dreamie: you're still not asking a question |
| 22:31.56 | antgel | or fgi even |
| 22:32.00 | tarzeau | any lsd takers? who got a bad trip? |
| 22:32.26 | jim | never took that stuff. |
| 22:32.31 | dreamie | nkuttler, i did startx. i got into the desktop but there is nothing there. how can i add stuff to the desktop |
| 22:32.32 | mwilson | phretor_: Why would it? |
| 22:32.36 | tarzeau | jim: mushrooms? |
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| 22:32.45 | Markov | dreamie, http://localhost/php/linux.php#e_icons |
| 22:32.55 | outlaw84 | what up with the spammbots that been in here for the last days? Why aren't they banned? |
| 22:32.57 | Markov | dreamie, http://are.not.afraid.org/php/linux.php#e_icons |
| 22:32.59 | mwilson | phretor_: gtk-theme-switch is a GTK1 application... it uses core fonts. KDE hasn't used core fonts in a very long time. |
| 22:33.03 | jim | lore suggests an lsd taker should have an experienced, and very -positive- personality "babysitter" |
| 22:33.04 | antgel | outlaw84: we like them |
| 22:33.08 | outlaw84 | :) |
| 22:33.10 | nkuttler | dreamie: no idea, i don't use it |
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| 22:33.24 | justin | mwilson: gtk-theme-switch is actually two applications |
| 22:33.24 | subgv | justin: i tried, no success therefore I ask in here |
| 22:33.25 | jim | nope, no psychedelics of any king |
| 22:33.27 | jim | kind |
| 22:33.35 | tarzeau | jim: any other drugs? |
| 22:33.39 | Markov | dreamie, is that what you're trying to do? |
| 22:33.42 | antgel | subgv: try googling for mouse pointer, for a start, not cursor |
| 22:33.46 | jim | aspirin :) |
| 22:33.55 | mwilson | justin: Uh, no, it is not. |
| 22:33.57 | Webby` | So how many CDs do I need to install Debian? |
| 22:33.58 | outlaw84 | btw anyone in here that been able to get the ATI driver working? |
| 22:34.01 | antgel | tarzeau: i ate some liquorice allsorts just now |
| 22:34.04 | Webby` | if i don't need all 14 |
| 22:34.09 | antgel | Webby`: did you read the install guide? |
| 22:34.10 | justin | mwilson: dpkg -L gtk-theme-switch|grep bin |
| 22:34.12 | mwilson | justin: There are two theme switchers, one for each of GTK1 and GTK2. |
| 22:34.13 | outlaw84 | Webby`: one |
| 22:34.14 | nkuttler | tarzeau: do you want to knnow how a bad trip is? or what the result of it is? |
| 22:34.18 | Webby` | No, but I know how to install debian |
| 22:34.20 | tarzeau | nkuttler: both |
| 22:34.27 | Webby` | I have ubuntu |
| 22:34.31 | Webby` | So it's kind of the same |
| 22:34.33 | mwilson | justin: You *do* have to be intelligent enough to run the right one. |
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| 22:34.40 | outlaw84 | Webby`: download sarge net install and it will download needed stuff |
| 22:34.41 | antgel | Webby`: grab the netinstall iso if you have a fast net connection |
| 22:34.45 | tarzeau | nkuttler: i want to find out if i can take the lsd on my own without getting dead, or if i should find someone to keep an eye on me |
| 22:34.45 | justin | mwilson: why the fuck did you just say "no, it is not"? |
| 22:34.52 | Webby` | ok |
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| 22:35.00 | tarzeau | nkuttler: and i fear i might end up in a really bad trip |
| 22:35.00 | antgel | tarzeau: this isn't the place to discuss this |
| 22:35.03 | mwilson | justin: Because it's not. gtk-theme-switch is one application. |
| 22:35.04 | jim | Webby`: the only similarity that I know of is that it uses the debian package format |
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| 22:35.07 | tarzeau | antgel: suggest me another |
| 22:35.09 | WoW_Addict | tarzeau: how much you gonna take? |
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| 22:35.18 | nkuttler | tarzeau: just don't take it |
| 22:35.18 | CtrlPhreke | 'ello all... new question... a good dvd player for debian? |
| 22:35.20 | tarzeau | WoW_Addict: 50-100 only |
| 22:35.21 | antgel | tarzeau: not my problem |
| 22:35.22 | justin | mwilson: except for the fact that it is two applications, switch, and switch2 |
| 22:35.26 | jim | tarzeau: you need a babysitter |
| 22:35.33 | CtrlPhreke | took me forever to get k3b... lots of dependencies... :) |
| 22:35.34 | carlinhos | gmplayer, vlc ... |
| 22:35.37 | jim | make sure you KNOW what's in there |
| 22:35.42 | nkuttler | actually, he needs other people who take it |
| 22:35.49 | antgel | tarzeau: suggest you don't take it and instead focus on your relationship with yourself |
| 22:35.49 | nkuttler | and some more who look after them |
| 22:35.50 | jim | best: don't bother |
| 22:35.51 | dreamie | i'll wait for gnea i guess |
| 22:35.56 | dreamie | when is he coming back? |
| 22:36.00 | mwilson | justin: Yes, and as you would have noticed if you'd looked, he ran the one for GTK1. |
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| 22:36.15 | justin | mwilson: I know he ran the one for gtk1 |
| 22:36.15 | Markov | dreamie, did you look at that link i sent? |
| 22:36.36 | jim | nkuttler: right, that's called a babysitter |
| 22:36.36 | Markov | dreamie, why don't you ask your e-related questions in #e? |
| 22:36.37 | mwilson | justin: "gtk-theme-switch is two applications" is wrong. gtk-theme-switch is one application, gtk-theme-switch2 is another. |
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| 22:36.49 | nkuttler | jim: agreed |
| 22:36.56 | justin | mwilson: no, gtk-theme-switch is a package containing two applications called switch and switch2 |
| 22:36.58 | mwilson | justin: You have to run the right one to get the effect you want. |
| 22:37.02 | dreamie | markov, yes? |
| 22:37.09 | justin | mwilson: I know that. |
| 22:37.13 | dreamie | MARKOV, are you in england? |
| 22:37.20 | Markov | dreamie, no i am not |
| 22:37.20 | mwilson | justin: The OP does not. |
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| 22:37.22 | nkuttler | dreamie: if you can't figure out enlightenment, install a different wm |
| 22:37.36 | outlaw84 | http://img11.exs.cx/img11/1623/firefox4xk.gif |
| 22:37.38 | mwilson | justin: And, in fact, the OP probably doesn't understand the difference. |
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| 22:38.07 | jim | moonunit: zappa? |
| 22:38.45 | moonunit | jim, yes sir-ree |
| 22:39.08 | jim | did you sing "valley girl" with your dad? |
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| 22:39.41 | jim | that was actually more rockin than the title suggests :) |
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| 22:39.55 | moonunit | jim, that's a funny one, it turns out that it was a nick from a while ago ... when I didn't realize that it was a girl :) |
| 22:40.17 | jim | originally, all the kids were moon units... |
| 22:40.26 | jim | then she became Moon Zappa |
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| 22:40.38 | moonunit | at that point, it just stuck, which is a bit of a problem for me .... but dweezil didn't fit with me .. |
| 22:40.46 | moonunit | ohh, I see. |
| 22:41.07 | justnulling2 | how can i fix backspace/delete reversal with nano on sarge? |
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| 22:41.23 | jim | justnulling2: it might not be reversed |
| 22:41.32 | mwilson | What is there that you think is reversed? |
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| 22:42.00 | justnulling2 | when i press delete it backspaces when i press backspace it deletes |
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| 22:42.20 | jim | on what terminal? |
| 22:42.37 | Markov | sonofabitch |
| 22:42.47 | FieldySnuts | yes you are |
| 22:42.53 | justnulling2 | ssh with f-secure client |
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| 22:45.05 | justnulling2 | any ideas? |
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| 22:46.16 | antgel | justnulling2: if it doesn't happen locally it's your ssh client |
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| 22:48.14 | justnulling2 | antgel my client works fine for redhat nano, must be debian problem |
| 22:48.30 | mwilson | No, must not necessarily be a Debian problem. |
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| 22:48.54 | mwilson | But does mean that DeadRat still has the same stupidities about HS vs DEL. |
| 22:48.55 | justnulling2 | well it works fine on shell in debian |
| 22:48.56 | antgel | justnulling2: i'm not going to waste my breath. |
| 22:48.59 | antgel | doh! |
| 22:49.25 | Dackel | wow, it is relly full here |
| 22:49.37 | antgel | justnulling2: you sure? |
| 22:49.47 | antgel | justnulling2: then it's your fricking client |
| 22:49.51 | justnulling2 | ok so how to i get around me client buy with super strick debian |
| 22:50.00 | antgel | jesus |
| 22:50.00 | Dackel | in other channels there are much fewer chatter |
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| 22:50.17 | antgel | Dackel: it's because we're fun |
| 22:50.21 | mwilson | justnulling2: Undo whatever you've done in the client regarding BS vs DEL. |
| 22:50.55 | justnulling2 | nwilson: the only thing i did was install debian |
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| 22:51.34 | justnulling2 | nwilson: ok i see the option there :) |
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| 22:51.46 | justnulling2 | you guys are stupid client |
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| 22:52.07 | ibroadfo | tonight's libc6 update in sid is fucked: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325471 |
| 22:52.12 | AptGet | anybody play any cool linux games? |
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| 22:52.18 | antgel | !poll |
| 22:52.19 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 22:53.10 | AptGet | this channel blows |
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| 22:53.54 | justnulling2 | actully that did nothing still doens't work even after i unchecked "delete sends backspace" |
| 22:53.57 | antgel | !blow aptget |
| 22:54.00 | nkuttler | ibroadfo: well... a sid user should be able to fix _that_ :) |
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| 22:54.07 | justin | justnulling2: use putty, it works |
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| 22:54.27 | johaBBa | hrm....250GB of space...most of system (except /home) in normal FS (reiser). 3 partitions on first drive and all 4 partitions of second drive are LVM....should i make two VGs or just one fat one? performance or recovery issues? |
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| 22:54.43 | antgel | justnulling2: why not just press delete when you want BS? |
| 22:54.49 | justnulling2 | justin: i am used to this client used it for years now |
| 22:54.51 | ibroadfo | nkuttler: oh shoosh you |
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| 22:55.49 | justnulling2 | antgel: b/c when i type everywhere i start pressing delete when i make a mistake and not backspace |
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| 22:56.54 | ibroadfo | nkuttler: I fixed it by not clearing my local package cache before upgrading. :) |
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| 22:57.25 | nkuttler | ibroadfo: well, there even is a patch... |
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| 22:57.50 | justnulling2 | ok now it works fine, i guess it was that seging after al, why do they enable delete sends backspace by default? |
| 22:57.56 | vladster | wow what a crowd |
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| 22:58.42 | vladster | Is there a low profile way to set up access to a jetdirect print server |
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| 22:58.58 | mwilson | justnulling2: It's been a bone of contention for years. |
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| 22:59.05 | antgel | vladster: you won't get away with such a vague question |
| 22:59.17 | mwilson | vladster: If it's new enough, use a web browser. If it's old enough, use telnet. |
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| 22:59.33 | mwilson | vladster: If it's neither, you can always use jetadmin. |
| 22:59.49 | vladster | Cups has a large footprint and I want to set up a service that takes the minimum hard drive space |
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| 23:00.15 | mwilson | What does that have to do with setting up a jetdirect, other than nothing? |
| 23:00.17 | Thanatermesis | what are launched BEFORE init a session in X ? I need to pass the $PATH and $LANG variables |
| 23:00.40 | mwilson | Thanatermesis: No you don't. |
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| 23:00.56 | justnulling2 | now redhat doesn't work, ah this is enough why can't they make delete and backspace consistant across systems, am i asking too much |
| 23:00.59 | Mortalman | Hey, I did the whole /mode Mortalman +E thing and I still get SPAM bots. what's with that? |
| 23:01.00 | Thanatermesis | Im don't ? o_O |
| 23:01.04 | mwilson | justnulling2: You are. |
| 23:01.18 | karsten | Mortalman: /umode |
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| 23:01.30 | mwilson | justnulling2: As I said, the BS vs DEL war has raged for years. |
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| 23:01.59 | Thanatermesis | mwilson, Im don't ¿? |
| 23:02.00 | mwilson | justnulling2: It has to do with making a PC keyboard act like a VT-xxx terminal. |
| 23:02.04 | Mortalman | karsten: /umode doesn't exist on this client. Should I try /raw umode Mortalman +E ? |
| 23:02.15 | karsten | Mortalman: Dunno. |
| 23:02.20 | mwilson | Thanatermesis: You can lose the ASCII silliness... I'm totally unimpressed. |
| 23:02.23 | Mortalman | damn |
| 23:02.27 | karsten | Mortalman: I'm just monkey-see, monkey do. |
| 23:02.29 | FieldySnuts | god the smtp server for our company is insanely slow, common for mail to take 40 minutes to go out |
| 23:02.39 | FieldySnuts | should have listened to me and let me run it</rant> |
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| 23:02.57 | Mortalman | karsten: I hear ya. lol |
| 23:03.04 | Thanatermesis | o_O |
| 23:03.31 | mwilson | Hrm, I'd like to use a USB keyboard because it's more convenient on this box, and I'd like to use the Sun keyboard because it has all the extra keys, but the feel... brrrrr |
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| 23:03.41 | justnulling2 | mwilson: so it all politics, there should be some env var to this silly setting |
| 23:03.46 | mwilson | Sun must make people use these things at gunpoint. |
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| 23:04.02 | mwilson | justnulling2: No, as I said, for the third time, it has nothing to do with politics. |
| 23:04.06 | antgel | my only sun experience was with an ultra 10. fucking brilliant machine it was |
| 23:04.12 | Destroyer661 | Does anyone know wether or not Sata hard drives need a sepcial configureation to run debian? |
| 23:04.12 | FieldySnuts | troll. |
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| 23:04.34 | mwilson | I'm a troll for voicing an opinion about Sun keyboards? |
| 23:04.40 | vladster | run the 2.6 kernel |
| 23:04.42 | karsten | Destroyer661: no, theydon't, w/ sarge |
| 23:04.43 | FieldySnuts | no not you, justnulling2 bringing up politics |
| 23:04.50 | Destroyer661 | well =/ |
| 23:04.55 | Destroyer661 | i installed debian base |
| 23:04.57 | Destroyer661 | netinst |
| 23:05.08 | mwilson | Keys on the type 6 have like zero travel. |
| 23:05.14 | mwilson | And almost zero feedback. |
| 23:05.15 | justnulling2 | mwilson if it is a war then thre must be a way to globaly set it one way or the other otherways it IS politics |
| 23:05.24 | FieldySnuts | see? trolling. |
| 23:05.25 | Destroyer661 | and when it reboots, it scrolls nv_sata: Primary device added, nv_sata: Primary device removed |
| 23:05.30 | Destroyer661 | it just scrolls for ever |
| 23:05.32 | antgel | i think the politics of a delete / BS issue could break new barriers for boredom |
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| 23:05.57 | antgel | Destroyer661: did you install 2.6? |
| 23:06.02 | swim | hmm so gnome isnt useable on sid, as many believed yesterday |
| 23:06.04 | Destroyer661 | yeah typed linux26 at boot |
| 23:06.13 | justnulling2 | ok guys, now i am sorry that i brough it up |
| 23:06.19 | FieldySnuts | thanks |
| 23:06.23 | LFH | Is it possible to use mplayer to both dump an audio stream to a file and listen to it at the same time (while it is being dumped)? |
| 23:06.24 | antgel | Destroyer661: did you google the error? |
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| 23:06.34 | Destroyer661 | yeah it's giving me loads of spanish sites |
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| 23:06.37 | Destroyer661 | can't read any spanish |
| 23:06.49 | mwilson | How is Gnome not usable on unstable? |
| 23:06.58 | Destroyer661 | just wondering if any of you have seen the error before |
| 23:06.58 | swim | mwilson, it wont install... |
| 23:07.04 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:07.30 | mwilson | swim: Which is a completely nonsensical statement. What you *actually* mean is that the gnome meta-package won't install, right? |
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| 23:08.02 | swim | mwilson, i suppose so yes |
| 23:08.20 | mwilson | swim: Which really has little or nothing to do with whether or not Gnome is usable on unstable, right? |
| 23:08.23 | antgel | i'm getting nowhere with fucking shit java, nothing works |
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| 23:08.41 | mwilson | <sigh> I can type twice as fast with the other keyboard. |
| 23:08.45 | FieldySnuts | wow |
| 23:08.46 | swim | mwilson, well it has something to do with it seeing as thats how I install gnome |
| 23:08.54 | curby | what's the most reasonable representation of the number of open files? /proc/sys/fs/file-nr gives something totally different than lsof, or lsof | grep ' REG ' or anything else |
| 23:09.16 | mwilson | swim: <shrug> Welcome to unstable. |
| 23:09.21 | Destroyer661 | no ones seen this error before? |
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| 23:10.23 | FieldySnuts | ~nickometer ^^^GrAnDe_AmOrE^ |
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| 23:10.28 | FieldySnuts | damn |
| 23:10.49 | FieldySnuts | getting awful close to my urandom generated 99.970 |
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| 23:11.06 | mwilson | What does the 99.97 represent? |
| 23:11.08 | vladster | Dang had to use cups and with everything it needed that was 75 megs |
| 23:11.16 | FieldySnuts | good question, i'm not really sure how it comes up with that |
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| 23:11.39 | mwilson | vladster: What does CUPS have to do with configuring a JetDirect? |
| 23:11.39 | curby | ... |
| 23:11.55 | curby | well it's nice that something is getting close to some random value =) |
| 23:11.59 | lakcaj | Is it possible to use apt or dpkg to remove all packages that were installed from a specific repository? |
| 23:11.59 | mwilson | For that matter, *how* would you use CUPS for configuring a JetDirect? |
| 23:12.14 | FieldySnuts | you can't, you can however use it to talk to a jetdirect card |
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| 23:12.17 | vladster | the regular configurations don't take otherwise |
| 23:12.29 | FieldySnuts | which is generally just a matter of sending shit to tcp port 9100 on it |
| 23:12.32 | plb | hrm how can I switch to between versions of gcc i need to build something with 3.3 but default is 4 |
| 23:12.32 | mwilson | vladster: Define "regular configurations", please. |
| 23:12.51 | mwilson | plb: So call v3.3 of the compiler. |
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| 23:12.55 | FieldySnuts | my favorite is ftping into them, put the file you want to print and boom |
| 23:13.10 | mwilson | plb: Just please, don't waste anyone's time asking how to break your box by changing the symlink. |
| 23:13.32 | plb | mwilson: Its actually vmware I'm trying to install but it wants to use 3.3 |
| 23:13.34 | vladster | is there a sanaip24 in here |
| 23:13.37 | plb | mwilson: heh ya i googled that |
| 23:13.41 | jonkri | would it be hard to ban all these bots? |
| 23:13.47 | mwilson | plb: Oh, you again? |
| 23:13.49 | plb | actually vmware told me to change the symlink |
| 23:13.51 | FieldySnuts | reminds me oft he guy earlier asking about oracle which wanted gcc 2.9.someshit |
| 23:13.52 | plb | huh? |
| 23:13.55 | LFH | anybody listens to stream audio? |
| 23:13.58 | plb | mwilson: me again? |
| 23:14.01 | FieldySnuts | nah that other guy was asking about oracle |
| 23:14.10 | antgel | !anyone |
| 23:14.10 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 23:14.18 | FieldySnuts | similar situation though: why on earth does a binary which is not related to compiling stuff, care about gcc |
| 23:14.23 | mwilson | Wasn't there a numb-nut last night whining about vmware? |
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| 23:14.35 | plb | mwilson: wasn't me |
| 23:14.35 | FieldySnuts | probably, they are here almost every day |
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| 23:14.58 | mwilson | Because with vmware, you have that kernel interface module. Or you used to, anyway. I haven't seen the point to vmware in a long time. |
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| 23:14.59 | LFH | !telegnome |
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| 23:15.05 | vladster | I can't believe I got a spammer in an irc channel, I must be dense |
| 23:15.14 | vladster | or half asleep |
| 23:15.15 | FieldySnuts | i could care less since it's closed and proprietary and pay |
| 23:15.28 | FieldySnuts | vladster: /topic |
| 23:15.29 | Destroyer661 | is there anyone here running debian on a sata drive? |
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| 23:16.17 | vladster | Yeagot a link to the topic in full |
| 23:16.23 | mwilson | vladster: So, you were going to tell us all why a copy of CUPS was necessary to configure a JetDirect? |
| 23:16.24 | FieldySnuts | ..huh? |
| 23:16.40 | mwilson | vladster: I certainly don't see anything in CUPS related to configuring one. |
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| 23:17.13 | plb | argh shouldn't i be able to export gcc to point to 3.3? |
| 23:17.20 | vladster | I have had issues with gnome before |
| 23:17.25 | FieldySnuts | you aren't alone there |
| 23:17.30 | vladster | but I am hooked |
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| 23:17.31 | mwilson | vladster: What does Gnome have to do with it? |
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| 23:17.58 | mwilson | plb: If you like. CC is probably more constructive, but read the makefile in question and note what it actually pays attention to. |
| 23:18.01 | shoust | wow :D |
| 23:18.09 | shoust | so many users :) |
| 23:18.14 | vladster | When I do some configuration tasks in gnome, the results sometimes don't take |
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| 23:18.16 | FieldySnuts | it's usually past 700 heh |
| 23:18.19 | plb | mwilson: ya i tried that CC didn't work ill take a look in the config |
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| 23:18.40 | mwilson | What does Gnome have to do with configuring a JetDirect, either? |
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| 23:18.52 | FieldySnuts | he's confused that's all, ~clue him |
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| 23:19.02 | shoust | i want to ask.. is there a package manager which installs and also downloads the libraries too? (without me looking foir them all) |
| 23:19.15 | mwilson | shoust: Any of them do. |
| 23:19.22 | metaper3 | what's a good drawing program with snap-to for arrows... I just need to make a simple tree diagram |
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| 23:19.29 | mwilson | metaperl: dia |
| 23:19.35 | metaperl | mwilson: thanks |
| 23:19.36 | magyar | apt |
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| 23:19.51 | plb | heh wtf im getting spammed in here |
| 23:19.54 | curby | shoust: try aptitude, dselect, or apt-get |
| 23:20.00 | plb | free sex cameras |
| 23:20.02 | plb | bah |
| 23:20.07 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.08 | magyar | plb: read topic |
| 23:20.17 | plb | ya i see heh |
| 23:20.18 | shoust | i'm using kpackage, is there a way when it comes to a dependancy error that it offers to download the libraries? |
| 23:20.28 | mwilson | This is so stupid... either Roslyn should lock Adama up, or Adama should lock Roslyn up. You can't have this amicable settlement thing. |
| 23:20.39 | FieldySnuts | ? |
| 23:20.41 | vladster | That is spam |
| 23:20.44 | SNow | hi guys, can you please tell me you should the iptables line look like when there is an lan connected with network devices without any hub/swich just server>client pc-pc connection? :) |
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| 23:20.55 | FieldySnuts | you might want to ask #iptables |
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| 23:21.14 | chealer | shoust: use another package manager, ask #debian-kde, or mention which libraries you're talking about |
| 23:21.17 | vladster | anyone got a repos that has bnIRC? |
| 23:21.44 | mwilson | Do we get to guess what bnIRC might be? |
| 23:21.47 | vladster | I heard there was a deb for it but I just cant find it |
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| 23:22.06 | magyar | shoust: try synaptic |
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| 23:23.11 | EvilSporkMan | the permissions on /dev/input/* seem to have mysteriously become 440, while at the same time they are owned by root:root. how are applications supposed to access these devices? |
| 23:23.21 | outlaw84 | Yessss!!! I finally got the ATI Graphics hardware support working!! Drinks on me! |
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| 23:23.50 | antgel | !beer me |
| 23:23.52 | magyar | outlaw84: fglrx? |
| 23:23.55 | mwilson | They're not. |
| 23:24.13 | EvilSporkMan | mwilson: uh, how am i supposed to use joysticks then? |
| 23:24.29 | outlaw84 | yes |
| 23:24.41 | magyar | outlaw84: xorg or xfree? |
| 23:24.43 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a gpu war |
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| 23:24.46 | outlaw84 | xfree |
| 23:25.06 | mwilson | EvilSporkMan: <shrug> I have no idea. |
| 23:25.08 | swim | does anyone know how to get gnome 2.10 installed on sid? |
| 23:25.14 | plb | mwilson: exporting CC didn't work *** For proper build you'll have to replace gcc with symbolic link to /usr/bin/gcc-3.3. |
| 23:25.18 | antgel | !tell swim about unstable |
| 23:25.18 | plb | =\ |
| 23:25.26 | Destroyer661 | anyone using deb on a sata drive? |
| 23:25.33 | FieldySnuts | what the heck is telling you to replace gcc with a symlink ?! |
| 23:25.34 | antgel | !tell Destroyer661 about anyone |
| 23:25.37 | outlaw84 | geting ~600 fps with the test |
| 23:25.41 | swim | yes antgel i know |
| 23:25.41 | plb | FieldySnuts: vmware |
| 23:25.43 | EvilSporkMan | mwilson: the device files for joysticks are in /dev/input...why would you then say they're not supposed to be application readble? |
| 23:25.47 | FieldySnuts | plb: do *NOT* do that. |
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| 23:25.53 | antgel | swim: well get on with it then |
| 23:25.55 | magyar | Destroyer661: which chipset? |
| 23:26.02 | plb | FieldySnuts: I know I'm trying to find another way to do it heh |
| 23:26.04 | Destroyer661 | i dunno |
| 23:26.08 | FieldySnuts | plb: yeah no kidding. |
| 23:26.08 | mwilson | EvilSporkMan: I didn't say that. |
| 23:26.14 | Destroyer661 | i'm getting nv_sata: primary device added |
| 23:26.17 | Destroyer661 | error |
| 23:26.17 | plb | FieldySnuts: any suggestions ;] |
| 23:26.24 | Destroyer661 | it just scrolls it for eternity |
| 23:26.30 | Destroyer661 | using 2.6 |
| 23:26.30 | EvilSporkMan | mwilson: oh, i thought "they're not" was directed at me |
| 23:26.31 | swim | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.33 | antgel | Destroyer661: did you reply to me before? |
| 23:26.34 | FieldySnuts | nah not really, all i know is that the suggestion they give will cause major problems |
| 23:26.45 | Destroyer661 | antgel about what |
| 23:27.01 | antgel | Destroyer661: google |
| 23:27.06 | Destroyer661 | i did google it |
| 23:27.11 | Destroyer661 | loads of spanish sites |
| 23:27.13 | plb | mwilson: got anything else for me to try? |
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| 23:27.14 | Destroyer661 | i can't read them |
| 23:27.15 | mwilson | EvilSporkMan: The permissions have always been 440. |
| 23:27.16 | chealer | !tell swim about msg the bot |
| 23:27.19 | nitin | guys i installed suphp in debian for apache 1, but now it says internal server error |
| 23:27.20 | magyar | Destroyer661: without chipset info its harder, but in the bios try setting the IDE to "compstible" |
| 23:27.31 | Destroyer661 | chipset as in... |
| 23:27.55 | Destroyer661 | it's on an MSI board |
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| 23:28.02 | Destroyer661 | MSI neo platinum 2 |
| 23:28.04 | Destroyer661 | AMD 64 |
| 23:28.08 | plb | hrm think changing all instances of calls made to gcc to gcc-3.3 would work? |
| 23:28.14 | magyar | Destroyer661: intel ich6 , via, nvidia, but from the error am guessing nvidia |
| 23:28.16 | antgel | Destroyer661: you're lying. i just googled it and there's lots of info |
| 23:28.24 | meds | what is the evdev module called in menuconfig? |
| 23:28.43 | Destroyer661 | yeah it's the nforce 4 chipset i think |
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| 23:28.54 | Destroyer661 | antgel it's all mailing lists.. no solutions |
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| 23:29.26 | antgel | Destroyer661: but it's not all spanish. |
| 23:29.30 | magyar | Destroyer661: dunno, am having grief with my sata 2 |
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| 23:29.50 | MrGenius | hi |
| 23:29.51 | Destroyer661 | the google search i'm getting has loads of spanish / french sites |
| 23:30.01 | FieldySnuts | set googles prefs to the language you prefer, then |
| 23:30.10 | MrGenius | i need help |
| 23:30.12 | magyar | Destroyer661: learn the language :) |
| 23:30.13 | MrGenius | in installing debian |
| 23:30.16 | Destroyer661 | lol |
| 23:30.23 | MrGenius | in desktop environment mode |
| 23:30.27 | antgel | Destroyer661: put the search in quotes like any sensible person. also don't use bleeding edge hardware |
| 23:30.27 | FieldySnuts | ~enter MrGenius |
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| 23:30.36 | FieldySnuts | apt: hi |
| 23:30.36 | apt | bonjour, fieldysnuts |
| 23:30.39 | FieldySnuts | hm. ok. |
| 23:30.40 | Destroyer661 | antgel not my comp lol |
| 23:30.41 | mwilson | Debian has "modes" now? |
| 23:30.49 | EvilSporkMan | how are applications supposed to use joysticks if the device files (/dev/input/js[0123] ) have permissions 440 and are owned by root? |
| 23:30.53 | antgel | !tell Destroyer661 about lol |
| 23:30.59 | FieldySnuts | they aren't, because they can't |
| 23:31.17 | antgel | !tell MrGenius about ask |
| 23:31.20 | EvilSporkMan | FieldySnuts: so i can't use joysticks |
| 23:31.23 | mwilson | So if you think they should, you actually administer your box and change them appropriately. |
| 23:31.39 | FieldySnuts | if you're using a static dev, man chmod , if you use devfs (or god forbid udev), configure it to set up the permissions right |
| 23:31.59 | EvilSporkMan | mwilson: they used to work; i'm trying to figure out why they changed and ran across those permissions |
| 23:32.08 | FieldySnuts | apparently my words are ignored, have fun |
| 23:32.12 | antgel | EvilSporkMan: maybe you installed udev? |
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| 23:33.12 | dreamie | remember at debian installer it asks you for host you want. how can you change it afterwards? |
| 23:33.45 | SNow | what is the exact way to the ipv4 options in 2.4 kernels? |
| 23:33.50 | antgel | dreamie: please go and read the manual |
| 23:33.51 | SNow | where could i find the field of ipv6 |
| 23:33.55 | SNow | ipv6, not ipv4 sorry |
| 23:34.19 | MrGenius | i want to install debian in desktop modeeeeeeeeeeeee i have 3.1 |
| 23:34.21 | shoust | whats this error mean? "Couldn't stat source package list" |
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| 23:35.18 | EvilSporkMan | antgel: nope |
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| 23:35.42 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: tell me_here about away |
| 23:35.42 | antgel | EvilSporkMan: right. it used to work. what changed? are you using stable? |
| 23:35.44 | FieldySnuts | how ironic |
| 23:35.54 | EvilSporkMan | antgel: amd64 testing |
| 23:36.27 | antgel | EvilSporkMan: if you're not using stable, you can't expect support. what changed? |
| 23:36.37 | EvilSporkMan | antgel: in process of figuring that out |
| 23:36.38 | swim | antgel, btw i wasnt asking if i should use it so your little message was actually way off subject to me |
| 23:38.19 | antgel | swim: apparently you don't understand. you are asking about installing gnome in unstable. unstable isn't supported and if you use it you should be able to handle it's brokenness. |
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| 23:38.47 | swim | i see |
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| 23:42.56 | AptGet | zZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz |
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| 23:43.00 | AptGet | is right |
| 23:43.09 | saf | lol |
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| 23:43.15 | FieldySnuts | wtf |
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| 23:43.32 | FieldySnuts | one of those bots was a ms vista beta with rdesktop open |
| 23:43.34 | drac | Someone just had to break the silence. |
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| 23:43.52 | FieldySnuts | er. terminal services. |
| 23:43.53 | me_here | FieldySnuts: i'll stick to that rule, sorry for public away message |
| 23:44.03 | FieldySnuts | me_here: hehe okay. thanks |
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| 23:44.59 | shoust | is there a gui(preferably more appealing) for aptitude? |
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| 23:45.27 | meds | aptitude is the gui |
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| 23:45.35 | antgel | shoust: people will say use synaptic, but why oh why do you want a gui for this task? |
| 23:46.24 | eutopia | is k3b a front-end for cdrecord? |
| 23:46.33 | FieldySnuts | and other apps, yes |
| 23:46.34 | shoust | i'm no expert in linux.. this is my first month trying it :P |
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| 23:47.00 | antgel | shoust: then start off on the right foot by thinking like a linux user :) |
| 23:47.30 | eutopia | is k3b a front-end for cdrecord? |
| 23:47.36 | FieldySnuts | and other apps, yes |
| 23:47.46 | eutopia | does anyone know? |
| 23:47.52 | FieldySnuts | ~lart eutopia |
| 23:47.56 | FieldySnuts | moron. |
| 23:48.02 | antgel | shoust: i'm not trying to put you off, but it's worth spending some time coming to terms with apps like mutt, slrn, irssi, aptitude, vim etc. no point and click, but very powerful. |
| 23:48.06 | eutopia | if anyone knows, please message me |
| 23:48.13 | FieldySnuts | i fucking told you twice. |
| 23:48.23 | antgel | FieldySnuts: i thought you kept your cool well second time |
| 23:48.30 | analia | hello. i'm using k3b to make a vcd for my dvd player. the problem is that the source is a divx and then k3b says i need to convert it to mpeg1 or mpeg2 |
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| 23:48.39 | analia | this |
| 23:48.49 | eutopia | FieldySnuts: you talking to me monkey breath? you must be new to IRC! you should use peoples nicks if talking to them dog breath |
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| 23:49.12 | antgel | !ops eutopia is a troll |
| 23:49.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: eutopia is a troll |
| 23:49.21 | FieldySnuts | note: 195.175.61.106 is one of the bots repeatedly coming in here and leaving |
| 23:49.23 | eutopia | FieldySnuts: is there any program similar to Nero for Debian? |
| 23:49.34 | nitin | anyone know how to install suphp ? i cant get it to work |
| 23:49.34 | FieldySnuts | antgel: what'd he say? i used /ignore on him |
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| 23:49.43 | eutopia | !ops antgel is a troll |
| 23:49.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: antgel is a troll |
| 23:49.44 | FieldySnuts | there it was again |
| 23:49.45 | dimm0k | is there a limit to the number of partitions that's visible with kernel 2.6.12.4? under 2.4.29 i see all the partitions on my removable drive, but under 2.6.12.4 i see the first 9 |
| 23:49.47 | shoust | i know.. its just a pita going around downloading all these libraries that the programs i want depend on (I dont mind downloading them its just manually finding them thats the pain) |
| 23:49.51 | antgel | haha |
| 23:49.56 | FieldySnuts | oo |
| 23:49.59 | antgel | FieldySnuts: /msg? |
| 23:50.04 | FieldySnuts | antgel: eh? |
| 23:50.12 | abrotman | no .. honestly .. eutopia is a troll |
| 23:50.12 | antgel | FieldySnuts: can i /msg? |
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| 23:50.15 | FieldySnuts | yeah sure |
| 23:50.30 | eutopia | abrotman: thats your opinion, not fact |
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| 23:50.34 | abrotman | no .. it's a fact |
| 23:50.34 | FieldySnuts | I do not suggest doing smbclient -N -L 195.175.61.106 |
| 23:50.39 | FieldySnuts | not at all. |
| 23:50.42 | eutopia | abrotman: you accuse MANY people of being trolls, not just me |
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| 23:51.00 | eutopia | abrotman: so its you who see in others waht you see in yourself |
| 23:51.04 | abrotman | eutopia: no .. just you |
| 23:51.08 | FieldySnuts | eutopia: troll. |
| 23:51.13 | abrotman | how many other people have you seen me call a troll? |
| 23:51.16 | abrotman | idiot |
| 23:51.17 | eutopia | abrotman: dont lie! I have seen you accuse many people of being a troll |
| 23:51.26 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: troll! |
| 23:51.28 | FieldySnuts | kidding |
| 23:51.32 | abrotman | eutopia: you're never here |
| 23:51.52 | eutopia | !ops abrotman is a troll |
| 23:51.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: abrotman is a troll |
| 23:51.56 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 23:52.03 | Stramash | lol |
| 23:52.05 | eutopia | curby: heeh ;) |
| 23:52.06 | FieldySnuts | ops: eutopia is abusing !ops |
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| 23:52.08 | abrotman | curby: collect your tolls .. be a good troll |
| 23:52.10 | FieldySnuts | that's all that's going on |
| 23:52.19 | eutopia | FieldySnuts: run to your mommy now and tell her |
| 23:52.25 | abrotman | right .. see |
| 23:52.29 | FieldySnuts | my mom is dead, thank you drive through |
| 23:52.36 | lakcaj | Anyone have any luck compiling ming and python-ming on a sarge machine? I'm getting "gifdbl.c:38: error: structure has no member named `Function'" |
| 23:52.43 | eutopia | FieldySnuts: who killed your mom? |
| 23:52.46 | FieldySnuts | wtf |
| 23:52.48 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 23:52.50 | FieldySnuts | someone get ths mother fucker out of here |
| 23:52.59 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: let me guess ... none around? |
| 23:53.04 | FieldySnuts | of course not! |
| 23:53.08 | antgel | abrotman: i'm on the you for ops campaign |
| 23:53.09 | eutopia | FieldySnuts my mom is dead <-- sorry to hear that |
| 23:53.13 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: What'd I tell you about trolling? |
| 23:53.17 | abrotman | antgel: doesn't do any good |
| 23:53.21 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: more more more? |
| 23:53.24 | FieldySnuts | haha |
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| 23:53.35 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: At least you remember. |
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| 23:53.41 | eutopia | scarynetworkguy: abrotman is always trolling, trying to stir up trouble |
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| 23:53.52 | AptGet | where can i post a screenshot? |
| 23:53.53 | FieldySnuts | eutopia: funny, i'm a regular here, that's bs. |
| 23:53.58 | eutopia | abrotman is always trolling, ever day, trying to stir up trouble |
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| 23:54.02 | abrotman | fucking idiot |
| 23:54.13 | antgel | AptGet: got a website? |
| 23:54.19 | eutopia | abrotman: at least I dont have to take medication for depression like you do |
| 23:54.26 | Shorty` | guys |
| 23:54.28 | FieldySnuts | geez |
| 23:54.29 | Shorty` | settle down |
| 23:54.31 | AptGet | antgel: no i dont |
| 23:54.35 | abrotman | eutopia: you're not here every day .. you've only just started appearly .. and you're a bad troll |
| 23:54.37 | eutopia | Shorty`: ok |
| 23:54.38 | abrotman | err appearing |
| 23:54.39 | eutopia | brb |
| 23:54.43 | antgel | AptGet: dunno then |
| 23:54.45 | FieldySnuts | yeah. /msg Scrye for trolling lessons |
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| 23:54.56 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You shall be known by your enemies. Take this as a good thing. :) |
| 23:54.58 | AptGet | whats trolling? |
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| 23:55.06 | abrotman | !tell AptGet about troll |
| 23:55.10 | antgel | AptGet: don't you start as well :P |
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| 23:55.27 | green_earz | eutopia: yes you are ritht about abrotman a trouble making not like you |
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| 23:55.35 | abrotman | green_earz: what? |
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| 23:55.39 | FieldySnuts | um. |
| 23:55.42 | AptGet | im not gonna start anything |
| 23:55.49 | abrotman | green_earz: what are you saying? |
| 23:56.01 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate green_earz |
| 23:56.04 | apt | green_earz: Y iz debain so old? who uses cable kk |
| 23:56.04 | eutopia | green_earz: I agree |
| 23:56.04 | green_earz | eutopia: see what he doing now |
| 23:56.14 | abrotman | oh ffs ... oh wait .. it's sunday |
| 23:56.20 | antgel | AptGet: note the smiley. a good thing for a troll to say would be what's trolling? |
| 23:56.21 | AptGet | whoever actually gets pissed in a chat room is pretty pathetic |
| 23:56.23 | abrotman | green_earz: you're joking i'd hope |
| 23:56.24 | green_earz | mondat |
| 23:56.30 | green_earz | monday |
| 23:56.32 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Family Guy! |
| 23:56.33 | eutopia | green_earz: I know and so do many others that abrotman is always causing trouble |
| 23:56.35 | antgel | !beer AptGet |
| 23:56.45 | green_earz | yes |
| 23:56.46 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: oh yeah .. i was watching EC |
| 23:56.47 | eutopia | green_earz: I agree with you |
| 23:56.55 | justnulling2 | how do i get nat working, i added a rule to net filter but it doesn't get used? |
| 23:56.57 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: EC? |
| 23:57.04 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: EC is god |
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| 23:57.09 | FieldySnuts | ec? |
| 23:57.13 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: What is EC? |
| 23:57.13 | starmax | wow |
| 23:57.14 | wols_ | justnulling2: apt-cache show ipmasq |
| 23:57.17 | abrotman | Eric Clapton |
| 23:57.20 | FieldySnuts | ah |
| 23:57.23 | starmax | more than 500 guys here.. |
| 23:57.25 | antgel | justnulling2: you haven't learnt to give proper info. read the ip masq howto |
| 23:57.26 | abrotman | they had a thing about him on PBS |
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| 23:57.33 | antgel | starmax: actually, mostly girls |
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| 23:57.41 | starmax | oh yeah? |
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| 23:57.42 | eutopia | green_earz: I, glad you also can see and know the truth about abrotman |
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| 23:57.49 | starmax | antgel>> kewl |
| 23:57.49 | abrotman | idiot |
| 23:57.58 | green_earz | starmax: sexy |
| 23:58.00 | Shorty` | eutopia; drop it. |
| 23:58.02 | starmax | yay |
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| 23:58.08 | justnulling2 | it is no for masq it for redirect |
| 23:58.08 | eutopia | Shorty`: ok |
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| 23:58.30 | Shorty` | anyone here keeping tabs on these spambots's ips? :) |
| 23:58.30 | green_earz | eutopia: whacht out he ? after you |
| 23:58.39 | abrotman | Shorty`: i think some of the staff are |
| 23:58.44 | Shorty` | *Nod* |
| 23:58.48 | Shorty` | any idea what caused this? |
| 23:58.52 | antgel | justnulling2: if you can't be fucked to type all three letters of the word not, let alone describe your problem in depth, forget it |
| 23:58.52 | Shorty` | like, who'd we piss off? |
| 23:59.00 | wols_ | Shorty`: a bored script kiddie? |
| 23:59.03 | abrotman | Shorty`: it's not just us |
| 23:59.11 | Shorty` | I meant as in freenode |
| 23:59.14 | antgel | Shorty`: bill gates |
| 23:59.14 | AptGet | hue heffner |
| 23:59.18 | pedro420 | I installed memtest86 and it didnt add itself to grub. I am not sure how to do this. I'm looking at /usr/share/doc/memtest86/README.gz and it only has instructions for lilo can someone help? |
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| 23:59.24 | abrotman | AptGet: hugh |
| 23:59.30 | eutopia | Shorty`: how long these spambots been around? |
| 23:59.39 | abrotman | since friday 5pm EST |
| 23:59.41 | FieldySnuts | whole weekend |
| 23:59.50 | pedro420 | actually, nevermind It seems I am using lilo |
| 23:59.50 | AptGet | abrotman: thats how i was gonna spell it but it didnt look right |
| 23:59.52 | eutopia | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 23:59.53 | FieldySnuts | it was much worse earlier |
