| 00:00.00 | FieldySnuts | look at the banlist. that's why it's not bad in here |
| 00:00.03 | scenestar | right |
| 00:00.03 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i think greycat got most of them |
| 00:00.09 | scenestar | this whoel +e thing is ok |
| 00:00.14 | abrotman | +E |
| 00:00.15 | scenestar | but who the hell is runnign them? |
| 00:00.15 | antgel | pedro420: firstly, this is a bug imo. secondly, read the grub docs in /usr/share/doc/grub. thirdly, consider downloading the memtest86 iso and burning it to bootable cd |
| 00:00.16 | eutopia | scenestar: indeed :) |
| 00:00.21 | mwilson | Why would it add itself to grub? |
| 00:00.22 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: oh did I tell you? one of them was a ms vista system with terminal services open |
| 00:00.24 | eutopia | i love this mode +E :) |
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| 00:00.36 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: it since went bye bye |
| 00:00.39 | cartel_ | ok what does a repeating GRUB message men |
| 00:00.41 | cartel_ | mean* |
| 00:00.41 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: hhaha .. that's funny ... it's not even released and it has security issues |
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| 00:00.46 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: yep |
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| 00:00.50 | abrotman | #grub might know .. or try the faq |
| 00:00.50 | scenestar | yeah, but i'd much rather see a bulltet fly thorugh the one who operates those fsckn bots |
| 00:00.57 | antgel | FieldySnuts: i really can't believe that a windows box with rdesktop open would be open to attack |
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| 00:00.59 | AptGet | FieldySnuts: ms vista with terminal? |
| 00:01.00 | FieldySnuts | i doubt there is an operator |
| 00:01.05 | justnulling2 | antgel: i want to redirect one port to another one on the same interface i added a nat rule to iptables but i think i need to inable nat or something since the rule just seats there doing nothing |
| 00:01.05 | KirbyMeister | 0.o someone just tried to send porn to a minor |
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| 00:01.14 | FieldySnuts | antgel: yeah well it also had C:\ shared. writable. |
| 00:01.17 | scenestar | errr, indeed |
| 00:01.19 | scenestar | im underage |
| 00:01.20 | FieldySnuts | antgel: quite a few of them do |
| 00:01.23 | green_earz | ho the spam bots you lot have been having i have had none here with the xchat client. is it irc client problem , a thought |
| 00:01.26 | scenestar | someone can go to jail |
| 00:01.27 | Stramash | lol |
| 00:01.32 | eutopia | is there an alternative to k3b for Debian to burn ISO to CD? |
| 00:01.36 | scenestar | quick, inform the pr0n czar |
| 00:01.38 | FieldySnuts | cdrecord |
| 00:01.39 | antgel | justnulling2: why do you want to do that? |
| 00:01.41 | abrotman | justnulling2: you want uhm ... to redirect .. and i forget the stupid name .. netfilter.org or lartc.org or #iptables |
| 00:01.42 | starmax | eutopia>> cdrecord |
| 00:01.44 | Gathond | eutopia: gcombust |
| 00:01.44 | KirbyMeister | my rhythmbox just doesnt work anymore |
| 00:01.56 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde .. they use the crap |
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| 00:02.09 | antgel | FieldySnuts: let's all rdesktop on there and do a shared whiteboard session |
| 00:02.11 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: no .. simpsons |
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| 00:02.27 | abrotman | antgel: it's probably a workstation and only allows 1 connection |
| 00:02.27 | eutopia | starmax: isnt k3b a front end for cdrecord? |
| 00:02.32 | justnulling2 | antgel: to go around my isp firewall |
| 00:02.33 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Family Guy is later. |
| 00:02.37 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 00:02.40 | eutopia | Gathond: gcombust any good, similar to Nero? |
| 00:02.42 | FieldySnuts | antgel: i didn't bother to try to brute force the pass, it was just obvious by the login screen |
| 00:02.49 | antgel | justnulling2: your isp has a firewall? fucking hell |
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| 00:02.57 | FieldySnuts | tried to get a screenshot but the connection crapped before that |
| 00:03.03 | antgel | FieldySnuts: your secret is safe with me |
| 00:03.03 | starmax | eutopia>> every front end would use cdrecord yes |
| 00:03.03 | Gathond | eutopia: dont know about that, but I would not assume so |
| 00:03.11 | eutopia | FieldySnuts: isnt k3b a front end for cdrecord? |
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| 00:03.17 | Stramash | lol |
| 00:03.19 | FieldySnuts | eutopia: i told you several times already :) |
| 00:03.20 | eutopia | ok |
| 00:03.22 | eutopia | thanks |
| 00:03.25 | eutopia | brb |
| 00:03.44 | justnulling2 | antge: yes it blocks http, smtp to name a few |
| 00:03.46 | antgel | FieldySnuts: i look forward to your review of windows vista |
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| 00:03.54 | FieldySnuts | won't be one |
| 00:03.56 | sts | hello folks |
| 00:03.57 | Gathond | eutopia: you could always just buy nero, I seem to remember them having a linux version |
| 00:04.09 | FieldySnuts | did I just see that said in #debian ? |
| 00:04.12 | antgel | justnulling2: you mean blocks inbound to stop you running servers? |
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| 00:04.31 | abrotman | Gathond: there are numerous GUI apps for those too lazy to learn how to use cdrecord |
| 00:04.37 | eutopia | Gathond: ok |
| 00:04.50 | sts | can anybody point me to a list of packages needed to install a minimal debian system -- i'm trying to build a bootable debian based pxe image using dfsbuild. |
| 00:04.51 | green_earz | it funny when you are all jumping about tracking down the bots. or what they are. or is it peaple firewall that a letting in localhost spoof for the irc client. again a idear |
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| 00:05.03 | zyv | hi !! |
| 00:05.04 | zyv | anyone knows how to mount an iso filesystem with write permmission ? |
| 00:05.04 | justnulling2 | antgel: inbond 80 outbond 80 and 25 |
| 00:05.06 | Gathond | abrotman: I know, but he made a point out of it being like nero |
| 00:05.12 | me_here | FieldySnuts: how can i get rid of my away status without annoying others ? |
| 00:05.15 | abrotman | does he ever make sense? |
| 00:05.24 | antgel | justnulling2: we won't help you get round your isp t&c. get a proper isp. |
| 00:05.25 | abrotman | Gathond: she did .. but whatever .. nero sucks ... |
| 00:05.28 | Gathond | abrotman: so it stands to reason he would like nero:) so I suggest he buyes that :) |
| 00:05.29 | eutopia | abrotman: please stop attacking me |
| 00:05.31 | FieldySnuts | zyv: you can't, the iso9660 file system cannot be written to |
| 00:05.40 | abrotman | i didn't dumbass |
| 00:05.41 | zyv | oh ok, |
| 00:05.44 | Gathond | abrotman: it probebly does, but that is not my decission |
| 00:05.50 | zyv | how Triffid_Hunter ? |
| 00:05.57 | abrotman | Gathond: i don't even like the win32 version |
| 00:06.01 | zyv | i need to modify a file |
| 00:06.08 | FieldySnuts | zyv: 1) mount the iso with the loop option to mount 2) copy the contents elsewhere 3) use mkisofs to make another iso after you have modified those contents |
| 00:06.15 | abrotman | AptGet: WHAT?! |
| 00:06.16 | zyv | to modify one file of my mounter iso filesystem |
| 00:06.45 | zyv | unionfs ... lets see |
| 00:06.50 | justnulling2 | antgel: i don't wnat go get around my isp, just wnat to send email through my server and not thier so need to redirect 25 to some other port |
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| 00:07.02 | zyv | i thought about you say FieldySnuts |
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| 00:07.19 | cartel_ | abrotman: not in the manual |
| 00:07.21 | zyv | but FieldySnuts i'm sure it's other easy way |
| 00:07.26 | abrotman | cartel_: the FAQ? |
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| 00:07.34 | abrotman | cartel_: on the grub website |
| 00:07.39 | cartel_ | abrotman: nope |
| 00:07.43 | cartel_ | faq is useless for grub |
| 00:07.45 | me_here | ah |
| 00:07.49 | abrotman | cartel_: it just keeps saying GRUB GRUB GRUB ? |
| 00:07.52 | cartel_ | yeah |
| 00:08.03 | cartel_ | not covered in the manual |
| 00:08.04 | wols_ | justnulling2: you can't do that. and if you want to accomplish that, just change the port numbers on your end |
| 00:08.07 | abrotman | cartel_: ask #grub if they know why .. we might be able to help you fix |
| 00:08.14 | wols_ | then the MTA runs on different port(s) |
| 00:08.18 | FieldySnuts | zyv: what? |
| 00:08.29 | AptGet | how do i stop mta from starting on boot? |
| 00:08.32 | FieldySnuts | you CAN'T write to an iso9660 file system. try it. |
| 00:08.39 | wols_ | justnulling2: if your ISP blocks port 25 there is pretty much nothing you can do |
| 00:08.47 | antgel | AptGet: why would you do what? |
| 00:09.01 | AptGet | antgel: becuase i dont use it |
| 00:09.16 | wols_ | AptGet: why do you want to do that? but you can look into /etc/rc?.d for a file starting your MTA |
| 00:09.18 | justnulling2 | wols_:that is what i am trying to do and for some reason redirect doesn't work |
| 00:09.20 | cartel_ | abrotman: #grub is asleep |
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| 00:09.22 | antgel | AptGet: it's essential for your system, at least for admin mail. |
| 00:09.41 | FieldySnuts | @they don't know |
| 00:09.42 | ravenbird | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 00:09.55 | antgel | justnulling2: i don't get it. they block 25 inbound so you should still be able to send mail. |
| 00:09.57 | wols_ | justnulling2: you try the wrong way. to change ports, edit your MTA config file(s), but you can't disable the ISP blocks. no way |
| 00:10.16 | FieldySnuts | for some you can opt out of that block, such as mine |
| 00:10.25 | justnulling2 | antgel" they block both inbound and outbond on port 25 |
| 00:10.33 | FieldySnuts | yes, we figured that |
| 00:10.34 | antgel | what sort of shit isp blocks ports? |
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| 00:10.45 | FieldySnuts | antgel: more and more every day, it is becoming common |
| 00:10.46 | mfrisch | mine does :-( |
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| 00:10.50 | curby | antgel: you kidding? a LOT do |
| 00:10.53 | antgel | justnulling2: make your mta work on another port |
| 00:10.56 | FieldySnuts | one of the many reasons i got a business line, hate that shit |
| 00:11.02 | antgel | curby: not in the uk, at least afaik |
| 00:11.03 | atom-z | most large isps filter stuff |
| 00:11.07 | curby | incl almost every cable broadband provider in the us |
| 00:11.22 | FieldySnuts | if lame ass windows users wouldn't get their shit infected, that wouldn't be an issue |
| 00:11.28 | justnulling2 | antgel: i has to work on port 25 so i can only add a redir to that but i need help with that |
| 00:11.32 | curby | antgel: oh that's neat. your laws scare me to death but that's a nice policy by isps |
| 00:11.34 | wols_ | justnulling2: if they do that, you're fscked and no iptables magic will evre remedy this |
| 00:11.44 | atom-z | windows users get stuff infected by using IE :\ |
| 00:11.50 | abrotman | cartel_: google says nothing? |
| 00:11.56 | FieldySnuts | by even booting up |
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| 00:12.21 | curby | if they allow ssh out (which isn't the same as allowing port 22 out) you can probably find some way to tunnel everything else |
| 00:12.30 | justnulling2 | wols_: it helps a lot it worked fine on my redhat machine so i can just get that redirect working i will be fine |
| 00:12.33 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 00:12.36 | abrotman | hrm |
| 00:12.37 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
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| 00:12.38 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
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| 00:13.00 | abrotman | !grub floppy image |
| 00:13.00 | dpkg | it has been said that grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 00:13.06 | antgel | it's like, you can have an internet connection, but if you want to do anything apart from sit there morbidly clicking on the interweb, you're not allowed |
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| 00:13.27 | antgel | justnulling2: just copy the line from your redhat machine |
| 00:13.30 | justnulling2 | curby: well yes that will work but plain redirect also works |
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| 00:13.50 | antgel | justnulling2: have you noticed that you haven't even pasted the line yet? just for your information and edification |
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| 00:14.08 | abrotman | cartel_: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml .. #7 |
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| 00:14.23 | justnulling2 | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth+ -p tcp --dport 2500 -j REDIRECT --to-port 25 |
| 00:14.33 | KirbyMeister | my music player [rhythmbox] wont load. It just displays the library and then freezes. |
| 00:14.37 | mfrisch | damm trolls |
| 00:14.40 | wols_ | justnulling2: last time I checked (with ipmasq tho) I had to allow the port in the INPUT chain and redirect it in the FORWARD one to make it work |
| 00:14.49 | abrotman | mfrisch: who ? |
| 00:14.55 | atom-z | speaking of firewalls... is there a nice firewall configurator thingie for debian? |
| 00:15.06 | justnulling2 | it add the rule ..REDIRECT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:2500 redir ports 25 |
| 00:15.10 | antgel | atom-z: have you heard of google? |
| 00:15.15 | Trev_ | shorewall |
| 00:15.18 | mwilson | atom-z: Any number of them. |
| 00:15.22 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: that punk has been in here a few times .. always causing problems |
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| 00:15.57 | justnulling2 | wols_: this is the only rule i have in my iptables i don't firewall anything |
| 00:15.57 | atom-z | antgel, i tried messaging dpkg, I also tried google |
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| 00:16.28 | mfrisch | abrotman maybe not a troll but Free WebCamera ... |
| 00:16.34 | abrotman | mfrisch: /topic |
| 00:16.36 | tvn | I cannot exec any on my fat32 mount partition ... |
| 00:16.49 | abrotman | cartel_: make sense ? |
| 00:17.06 | antgel | atom-z: hmm, did you try apt-cache search firewall? |
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| 00:17.11 | wols_ | tvn: it's mounted -noexec |
| 00:17.12 | atom-z | antgel, no |
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| 00:17.23 | mfrisch | abrotman its not as bad as a couple of days ago. |
| 00:17.27 | antgel | atom-z: do you think you should, preferably before asking here? |
| 00:17.31 | abrotman | mfrisch: greycat banned a bunch of hosts |
| 00:17.37 | abrotman | mfrisch: but they keep changing |
| 00:17.42 | atom-z | antgel, just did, there are millions of them |
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| 00:17.46 | atom-z | thanks |
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| 00:17.50 | cartel_ | abrotman: nope but ill try reinstalling grub to !mbr |
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| 00:17.57 | abrotman | cartel_: the last link didn't help ? |
| 00:17.57 | cartel_ | abrotman: if i can find out how |
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| 00:18.04 | abrotman | cartel_: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml .. #7 |
| 00:18.08 | cartel_ | abrotman: not much |
| 00:18.17 | abrotman | cartel_: it tells you to alter your bios config |
| 00:18.46 | abrotman | cartel_: and lists a few other possibilities |
| 00:18.48 | justnulling2 | antgel: do you see anything wrong with that redirect? |
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| 00:19.05 | tvn | wols_: I see .. thanks ... |
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| 00:20.16 | antgel | justnulling2: afraid i don't know much about redirects. perhaps you could employ tcpdump and see what's happening? |
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| 00:20.27 | wols_ | tvn: man mount and look up the options for fat |
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| 00:20.34 | wols_ | tvn: you can change them |
| 00:20.34 | abrotman | justnulling2: did you try asking #iptables ? |
| 00:20.46 | tvn | wols_: I just added exec to it |
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| 00:22.41 | antgel | atom-z: after looking at that apt-cache search, i have decided that i will never cease to be amazed at the number of debian packages that i have never heard of and will never hear of :) |
| 00:22.43 | Jmax | err |
| 00:22.46 | Jmax | are there spambots here? |
| 00:22.48 | cartel_ | abrotman: trying now |
| 00:22.50 | Jmax | i just got a pm... |
| 00:22.53 | cartel_ | Jmax: yes |
| 00:22.55 | justnulling2 | antgel: never worked with tcpdump what should i do? |
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| 00:23.11 | justnulling2 | abortman: just asked but it looks idle |
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| 00:23.39 | abrotman | justnulling2: wait a bit .. it may come ... |
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| 00:23.58 | atom-z | oh FFS |
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| 00:24.05 | eutopia | every time I load Synaptic I get: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)! Any fix for this? |
| 00:24.15 | pingouin_ | i know it's out of order from #debian..but someone know how can i read *.txt file instead of having an opening windows asking with wich apps i want to read *.txt file, in firefox ? |
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| 00:24.58 | wols_ | yes, define an app for .txt in ffox options |
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| 00:25.09 | atom-z | antgel, well, if i remember correctly, debian is about 2DVD's worth of linux. |
| 00:25.09 | antgel | justnulling2: read the manual and documentation. it's a great tool |
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| 00:25.42 | justnulling2 | antgel: i am sure it is, it is just a bit of an overhead of getting simple redirect to work :) |
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| 00:26.06 | Jmax | woah |
| 00:26.08 | Jmax | what's with all the spam? |
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| 00:26.29 | antgel | justnulling2: try to look at it as a learning experience. |
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| 00:26.32 | pingouin_ | wols_: great idea !! but how ?! |
| 00:26.34 | abrotman | bob2: feel better? :) |
| 00:26.39 | eutopia | any fix for Synaptic error messages? |
| 00:26.44 | philv | Jmax: crazy, huh? |
| 00:26.48 | bob2 | didn't realise it used different names each time |
| 00:27.02 | abrotman | bob2: yeah .. have to ban by host .. the hosts repeat |
| 00:27.10 | bob2 | it's tor :| |
| 00:27.17 | mwilson | eutopia: Any messages in particular, or do people have to guess? |
| 00:27.19 | abrotman | bob2: the #java4christ guy ? |
| 00:27.26 | bob2 | yeah |
| 00:27.28 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:27.30 | Miles_Pwr | Hello. following several different howtos and synthesizing their information, i have successfully: created a RAID1 called MD0. Partitioned, Formatted it. Mounted and had it usable. | My issue now is: I have followed several howtos and still cannot get it to automatically start/mount on boot. Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 00:27.49 | bob2 | Miles_Pwr: do you have mdadm or something running a boot? |
| 00:27.54 | Miles_Pwr | Yes. |
| 00:27.56 | antgel | Miles_Pwr: like it. what _have_ you done about getting it to boot? |
| 00:28.11 | mwilson | Why wouldn't you just mark it autostart, like the software RAID howto says to? |
| 00:28.14 | Miles_Pwr | it says there's no settings in the config file, but i DID update the config file. |
| 00:28.15 | antgel | Miles_Pwr: ignore me. |
| 00:28.23 | Miles_Pwr | I did, Mwilson. it doesn't do it. |
| 00:28.23 | eutopia | mwilson: I get this: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)! |
| 00:28.25 | CtrlPhreke | anyone good with configuring k3b... I have a usb burner... and can't find it in kde... |
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| 00:28.50 | abrotman | #debian-kde ? |
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| 00:28.57 | mwilson | Miles_Pwr: <shrug> You have RAID support as a module, then. |
| 00:28.59 | eutopia | mwilson: any fix for that? |
| 00:29.03 | Miles_Pwr | Nope. compiled. |
| 00:29.13 | mwilson | Miles_Pwr: If you say so. |
| 00:29.19 | Miles_Pwr | I even went ahead and went to 2.6, told it to compile it in. |
| 00:29.22 | mwilson | eutopia: Use a different mirror. |
| 00:29.28 | antgel | if kde is so user-friendly, why do we get so many kde questions in here, on basic stuff e.g. "how do i move my mouse" |
| 00:29.31 | eutopia | mwilson: which one? |
| 00:29.40 | abrotman | antgel: because ... it sucks? :) |
| 00:29.40 | cartel_ | balls |
| 00:29.42 | mwilson | eutopia: Which one what? |
| 00:29.43 | eutopia | mwilson: which text file does synaptic use? |
| 00:29.46 | abrotman | cartel_: squares! |
| 00:29.54 | mwilson | eutopia: "text file"? |
| 00:30.05 | eutopia | mwilson: which file does synaptic refer to for mirrors? |
| 00:30.14 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: it starts! |
| 00:30.19 | wols_ | pingouin_: tell ffox to ask you when you download anythin in its options. in that dialog which comes up then you can define it |
| 00:30.20 | cartel_ | abrotman: reinstalling grub didnt help hmm |
| 00:30.26 | abrotman | cartel_: tried the bios thing? |
| 00:30.29 | mwilson | eutopia: It doesn't. It uses sources.list same as any other package manager. |
| 00:30.38 | abrotman | philv: don't do that |
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| 00:30.46 | antgel | doh |
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| 00:30.51 | eutopia | mwilson: what working mirror shall I add to sources.list? |
| 00:30.53 | cartel_ | abrotman: it worked before without bios... |
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| 00:31.02 | litage | what is the wheel group? |
| 00:31.05 | kefalas | * Received a CTCP PING 1125274979 901053 from philv (to #debian) |
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| 00:31.09 | abrotman | cartel_: then you may have goofed a config option .. when did it start happening |
| 00:31.13 | abrotman | !wheel |
| 00:31.13 | dpkg | well, wheel is n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. A person who has an active wheel bit (A privilege bit that allows the possessor to perform some restricted operation on a timesharing system like TENEX/TOPS-20/XEROX-IFS...). Irrelevant in debian default configs; don't use it unless you have a specific reason to do so. |
| 00:31.15 | mwilson | litage: There isn't one. |
| 00:31.27 | abrotman | he asked what it was .. not if debian had one |
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| 00:31.34 | philv | abrotman: sorry, I'm trying to keep my connection to Freenode alive... ever since they upgraded I lag like hell |
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| 00:31.42 | litage | thanks abrotman |
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| 00:31.46 | abrotman | philv: don't ping the whole damn channel .. |
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| 00:31.53 | pingouin_ | wols_: :/ you..know i've already try to add firefox before asking this sooooo stupid question - no, i dont like to be like a dumb in public place - then..firefox open another windows ask what to do with txt..and another one and another one and another one....endlessly |
| 00:31.54 | antgel | mwilson: you in uk? |
| 00:32.04 | litage | if debian doesn't have a wheel group, why does PAM come with pam_wheel.so? |
| 00:32.08 | mwilson | antgel: Not last time I checked. |
| 00:32.08 | eutopia | mwilson: atm I hhave deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free & deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free in sources.list! What should I be using instead? |
| 00:32.10 | smo_ | hi all i have a problem to install java looking glass 3d the log say : java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to listen on Socket 44816 |
| 00:32.11 | smo_ | ?? |
| 00:32.12 | philv | It was an accident :( |
| 00:32.19 | pingouin_ | this is why i ask : |
| 00:32.19 | abrotman | litage: because you can use it .. it's not on by default |
| 00:32.29 | mwilson | eutopia: Why are you using both testing *and* unstable? |
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| 00:32.32 | CtrlPhreke | everyone's dead in d-kde |
| 00:32.33 | pingouin_ | i know it's out of order from #debian..but someone know how can i read *.txt file instead of having an opening windows asking with wich apps i want to read *.txt file, in firefox ? |
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| 00:32.39 | antgel | mwilson: ok, was going to suggest you visit my friend's hummus bar - the first one in the uk :) |
| 00:32.43 | abrotman | mwilson: i can tell you |
| 00:32.43 | dbrock | abrotman: why not ping the whole channel? |
| 00:32.46 | eutopia | mwilson: I thought I was supposed to |
| 00:32.49 | abrotman | dbrock: not good manners |
| 00:32.51 | FieldySnuts | @hire abrotman |
| 00:32.53 | eutopia | mwilson: should I only ever use one? |
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| 00:33.02 | litage | abrotman: is it possible to rename the group and still use pam_wheel.so? |
| 00:33.11 | abrotman | litage: i don't use it .. i don't know |
| 00:33.11 | mwilson | eutopia: Do you even know whether you're running stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 00:33.18 | litage | thanks abrotman |
| 00:33.19 | eutopia | mwilson: Sarge |
| 00:33.19 | dbrock | but pinging the channel is no worse than talking in it, is it? |
| 00:33.29 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:33.37 | mwilson | eutopia: We'll try again... do you even know whether you're running stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 00:33.46 | abrotman | dbrock: it's not good netiquette |
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| 00:33.54 | pingouin_ | !lart dbrock |
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| 00:34.01 | pingouin_ | nice shoot ;) |
| 00:34.02 | eutopia | mwilson: Sarge |
| 00:34.08 | abrotman | hahha |
| 00:34.08 | eutopia | mwilson: Sarge, stable |
| 00:34.15 | abrotman | mwilson: ask again! |
| 00:34.17 | lolo | moin |
| 00:34.24 | dbrock | abrotman: why not? Just because? That's bullshit |
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| 00:34.31 | mwilson | eutopia: If you think you're running stable, why would you list testing and unstable in sources.list? |
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| 00:34.34 | abrotman | dbrock: why don't you pee on your neighbors lawn? |
| 00:34.47 | eutopia | mwilson: ignorance I guess |
| 00:34.48 | antgel | do it do it |
| 00:34.51 | mwilson | eutopia: Hint... if it's been that way for very long, you aren't running stable. |
| 00:35.01 | lolo | is someone succesfully patched kernel-source-2.6.11 from morphix with suspend2 ? |
| 00:35.10 | abrotman | lolo: #morphix |
| 00:35.15 | lolo | thx |
| 00:35.21 | eutopia | mwilson: can I use testing if running unstable? |
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| 00:35.31 | mwilson | eutopia: Wouldn't you think that if you were supposed to list multiple distributions in addition to the one you installed, that the installer would have done it for you? |
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| 00:35.55 | eutopia | mwilson: indeed |
| 00:35.55 | dbrock | abrotman: because people walk on lawns and people don't want to walk in their neighbor's piss |
| 00:36.09 | abrotman | dbrock: they'll never know .. go try it :) |
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| 00:36.11 | mwilson | eutopia: So, then... you added them because...? |
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| 00:36.24 | mwilson | eutopia: What problem were you trying to solve? |
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| 00:36.31 | abrotman | dbrock: it's just not polite ... noone can stop you .. except the ops |
| 00:36.32 | antgel | boredom? |
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| 00:37.01 | concept10 | Who may I contact to complain about the spambots in freenode? |
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| 00:37.15 | philv | concept10: ahahahahahahaah |
| 00:37.18 | abrotman | concept10: /topic |
| 00:37.22 | antgel | concept10: bill gates? |
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| 00:37.25 | cartel_ | how do i restore the mbr? |
| 00:37.27 | dbrock | abrotman: I don't care much for politeness when the taboos are completely bullshit |
| 00:37.35 | concept10 | abrotman: what about the topic? |
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| 00:37.52 | abrotman | dbrock: then bugger off .. stop wasting my time .. if you don't care .. start doing it .. not my problem |
| 00:38.00 | abrotman | concept10: read it |
| 00:38.06 | cartel_ | abrotman: i think my problem is that i initially installed grub to mbr and now i need to install it to the first partition |
| 00:38.11 | concept10 | abrotman: I dont see the customer support number in the topic |
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| 00:38.21 | antgel | !start a netiquette war |
| 00:38.23 | abrotman | concept10: are you serious? |
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| 00:38.30 | Lur | hello |
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| 00:38.31 | abrotman | cartel_: probably not |
| 00:38.32 | concept10 | abrotman: heh! |
| 00:38.35 | philv | concept10: you are very thick... just fyi |
| 00:38.38 | abrotman | concept10: /mode concept10 +E |
| 00:38.50 | antgel | concept10: the support phone number is 0 |
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| 00:38.54 | abrotman | concept10: read the damn topic |
| 00:38.59 | concept10 | abrotman: I already did that, for the sake of conversation |
| 00:39.00 | antgel | concept10: that number again, 0. |
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| 00:39.23 | mwilson | concept10: You didn't. 'Nuff said. |
| 00:39.23 | Lur | is there a version of unix that will run on a pentium pc? |
| 00:39.25 | dbrock | abrotman: I asked because I figured there might be a real reason, one that I hadn't thought about |
| 00:39.25 | abrotman | concept10: did what? |
| 00:39.34 | mwilson | Lur: Troll elsewhere. |
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| 00:39.47 | philv | concept10: 18885659428 |
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| 00:39.55 | concept10 | Microsoft fights spam with thier millions, can I possibly get them to fight spam on freenode? |
| 00:39.58 | philv | That's the number straight to Rob Levin's trailer |
| 00:40.02 | dondelelcaro | Lur: yes. See /topic for information on how to isntall it. |
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| 00:40.10 | dondelelcaro | concept10: that has nothing whatsoever to do with #debian |
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| 00:40.17 | abrotman | dbrock: it's just impolite .. that's it .. manners .. not everyone has them .. but that's ok .. |
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| 00:40.24 | philv | concept10: 18885659428 <-- call Rob |
| 00:40.27 | Lur | what's witht he spam? |
| 00:40.30 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: There are instructions on how to install BSD in #debian's ltopic? |
| 00:40.40 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: sure |
| 00:40.42 | litage | after installing debian, can /var/log/base-config.log.1 be removed, or at least chmod'd 640? |
| 00:40.43 | antgel | more to the point, why would anyone want to ping a channel? |
| 00:40.45 | concept10 | dondelelcaro: freenode |
| 00:40.55 | dondelelcaro | concept10: then ask in #freenode |
| 00:41.04 | albo_ | MAILER-DAEMON |
| 00:41.07 | antgel | litage: i predict it can |
| 00:41.10 | concept10 | dondelelcaro: it was just a joke, lighten up.. its sunday |
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| 00:41.18 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Where? |
| 00:41.19 | albo_ | how can i get MAILER-DAEMON to stop sending to my local mail for postfix |
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| 00:41.28 | pingouin_ | i know it's out of order from #debian..but someone know how can i read *.txt file instead of having an opening windows asking with wich apps i want to read *.txt file, in firefox ? |
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| 00:41.33 | dreamer__ | has anyone found a good site for printing? i'm struggling. I installed cups. xpdf prints stuff... openoffice doesn't... nor does. when i have 'lpr' installed i can see the openoffice jobs with lpq... but they never get to the remote printer... |
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| 00:41.50 | abrotman | linuxprinting.org ? |
| 00:41.50 | pingouin_ | dreamer__: good luck printing under linux...is almost imposible |
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| 00:41.59 | pingouin_ | dreamer__: good chooise of nick ;) |
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| 00:42.16 | antgel | pingouin_: install cygwin and use vi |
| 00:42.22 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: see the getting debian part? Yes, indeed we do have a kfreebsd... |
| 00:42.28 | kbrooks | philv, who the fuck are you? |
| 00:42.30 | pingouin_ | !lart antgel |
| 00:42.34 | antgel | dondelelcaro: touche |
| 00:42.41 | abrotman | nice way to start |
| 00:42.43 | dreamer__ | i got printering to work on mandrake... in all of 10 minutes... debians a tougher nut though |
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| 00:42.48 | Gathond | dreamer__: you probably want the cupsys-bsd package and its lpr command if its cups you use on the server |
| 00:42.49 | antgel | ouch |
| 00:42.56 | pingouin_ | dreamer__: stay with mandrake so |
| 00:42.57 | ambrose | pingouin_, you need to adjust your mime.types and/or mailcap files |
| 00:43.02 | Jmax | grr |
| 00:43.09 | pingouin_ | dreamer__: i go with my printer to my friend flat :/ |
| 00:43.11 | KerPlunk | I want to make it so I can login to my ssh daemon on my debian box without having to type the login/password |
| 00:43.13 | antgel | did kbrooks just join? i've been /ignoring joins |
| 00:43.15 | philv | kbrooks: I'm nobody significant |
| 00:43.15 | KerPlunk | Is that possible? |
| 00:43.19 | abrotman | antgel: yes |
| 00:43.24 | albo_ | how can i get MAILER-DAEMON to stop sending to my local mail for postfix errors |
| 00:43.27 | pingouin_ | dreamer__: his laughing each time..he's running winwindows |
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| 00:43.30 | kbrooks | philv, i demand you reveal your fucking identity to this channel |
| 00:43.32 | antgel | philv: come on, head up my son! |
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| 00:43.36 | abrotman | what the hell |
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| 00:43.42 | mwilson | KerPlunk: Use public keys. |
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| 00:43.46 | amp | hello all. I just installed debian on my IBM T42 Thinkpad. It has an integrated Wireless device but Debian didn't recognize it. How might I go about configuring it? Thanks. |
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| 00:44.16 | dreamer__ | pingouin: it cannot be that bad...... how long have u tried? |
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| 00:44.20 | pingouin_ | ambrose: how ?! everything is grey in options, and i cant do this when it's ask what to do with txt file because it's run endlessly |
| 00:44.22 | ambrose | amp, does the device get recognized at boot? look in /var/log/dmesg |
| 00:44.23 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:44.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:44.24 | antgel | KerPlunk: man ssh-keygen. it changed my life almost as much as led zeppelin |
| 00:44.32 | pingouin_ | dreamer__: too long for me |
| 00:44.34 | abrotman | dreamer__: linuxprinting.org .. |
| 00:44.40 | cartel_ | abrotman: u oldie |
| 00:44.40 | Webby | Help! I can't start debian. I type startx and it gives me a server error. no screens found |
| 00:44.41 | cartel_ | ;) |
| 00:44.45 | kbrooks | philv, reveal it or i will reveal it for you |
| 00:44.48 | abrotman | not funny |
| 00:44.49 | Webby | What do I do?? |
| 00:44.52 | abrotman | kbrooks: what is your problem? |
| 00:44.52 | kbrooks | in 1 |
| 00:44.52 | antgel | !tell Webby about drxx |
| 00:44.54 | kbrooks | 2 |
| 00:44.55 | kbrooks | 3 |
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| 00:45.05 | dondelelcaro | kbrooks: stop that please. |
| 00:45.05 | abrotman | !ops kbrooks abusive to philv for no apparent reason |
| 00:45.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: kbrooks abusive to philv for no apparent reason |
| 00:45.08 | tsume_ | spammed by who? |
| 00:45.08 | philv | kbrooks: What the devil is your problem? |
| 00:45.09 | concept10 | amp: there are plenty webpages discussing that since the thinkpad is a popular laptop |
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| 00:45.13 | antgel | !ops kbrooks is a troll |
| 00:45.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: kbrooks is a troll |
| 00:45.17 | tsume_ | philv is hte spammer |
| 00:45.20 | Gathond | pingouin_: I've found it to depend greatly upon the printer and the level of support for it. Also concluded that life is too short to be messing with non PS compatible printers |
| 00:45.22 | dondelelcaro | antgel: stop abusing ops please. I'm right here. |
| 00:45.28 | antgel | dondelelcaro: sorry |
| 00:45.29 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: sorry .. i forgot you were here |
| 00:45.30 | philv | What |
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| 00:45.40 | tsume_ | philv: you are a dumb fuck tard |
| 00:45.45 | dreamer__ | i once had printing working in debian... just copied the config files from mandrake |
| 00:45.46 | amp | i'm scanning dmesg now... |
| 00:45.47 | tsume_ | philv: get a life you stupid assshole |
| 00:45.49 | pingouin_ | Gathond: yeah yeah..i solve the trouble, i take it to friend's computer ;) |
| 00:45.51 | philv | I just joined "java4christ" |
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| 00:46.00 | tsume_ | 17:43 [Users #java4christ] |
| 00:46.00 | tsume_ | 17:43 [@banb0t4lyf] [@banb0t4lyfe] [@philv] [ tsume_] |
| 00:46.00 | tsume_ | 17:43 -!- Irssi: #java4christ: Total of 4 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 1 |
| 00:46.00 | tsume_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.00 | pingouin_ | i just have to plan my printing |
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| 00:46.07 | FieldySnuts | wow. moronfest. |
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| 00:46.13 | bob2 | holy god people |
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| 00:46.15 | antgel | philv: you're kidding |
| 00:46.20 | tsume_ | philv: and you are the spammer |
| 00:46.23 | tsume_ | he is the admin |
| 00:46.25 | bob2 | tsume_: stop it |
| 00:46.26 | dondelelcaro | tsume_: stop it already |
| 00:46.26 | tsume_ | he kbed me |
| 00:46.28 | ambrose | pingouin_, from the "run" menu, run a text editor like vi or emacs. Edit /etc/mime.types, /etc/mailcap, and/or /home/pingouin/.mailcap |
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| 00:46.33 | abrotman | tsume_: or he was the first to join |
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| 00:46.41 | bob2 | FieldySnuts: no, it's babysitting |
| 00:46.48 | FieldySnuts | true |
| 00:46.50 | dreamer__ | i can print pdfs... that's what i don't understand |
| 00:46.50 | bob2 | all this hostmask crap is annoying |
| 00:46.53 | Yzzyx | where should i put iptable rules that need to run at boot? |
| 00:47.01 | bob2 | Yzzyx: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
| 00:47.06 | abrotman | Yzzyx: /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 00:47.08 | dreamer__ | xpdf does its thing very nicely |
| 00:47.10 | Yzzyx | tnx |
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| 00:47.20 | pingouin_ | ambrose: nice at last a begining of solution, thanks i'll try that |
| 00:47.30 | antgel | philv: christ is annoying enough, but java as well? jesus... :) |
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| 00:47.42 | Gathond | dreamer__: the default cups client is called lp, lpr is the BSD printer daemon, cups provides in the cupsys-bsd package an lpr for compatability, is it this lpr of the actual BSD one you have tried instaling? |
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| 00:47.42 | devrethman | what package do i need to install to get ./configure to quit complaining about not having openGL |
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| 00:47.49 | dreamer__ | that means there is a problem at a higher level... and the print command is intercepted--- perhaps some permissions issue |
| 00:47.49 | amp | ambrose, concept10: it doesn't appear to get recognized at bootup. I'd appreciate a link to a webpage discussing it. thanks! |
| 00:48.15 | bob2 | devrethman: what are you compiling? |
| 00:48.19 | ambrose | amp, google for the device name and linux I guess |
| 00:48.20 | dreamer__ | i used the cups one... not the cups bsd |
| 00:48.21 | devrethman | stepmania |
| 00:48.30 | abrotman | when did debhelper start handing out bans ? |
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| 00:48.40 | bob2 | debhelper has issues |
| 00:48.41 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: since I started telling it to |
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| 00:48.46 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: oh ok :) |
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| 00:48.58 | ambrose | amp, Oh! on motherboard of laptop... hang on... |
| 00:48.58 | dreamer__ | which i suppose is another thing---why are there so many packages...? and can't debian recommend one for nOObs? |
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| 00:49.15 | abrotman | !grub floppy image |
| 00:49.15 | dpkg | well, grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 00:49.18 | abrotman | cartel_: ^^ |
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| 00:49.29 | bush | guh |
| 00:49.33 | bush | spam |
| 00:49.38 | dondelelcaro | bush: /topic |
| 00:49.39 | abrotman | cartel_: your menu.lst might be totally messed |
| 00:49.39 | pingouin_ | dreamer__: printing is almost not possible under linux ;) |
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| 00:49.50 | abrotman | pingouin_: some people have great success |
| 00:49.51 | cartel_ | abrotman: it's fine |
| 00:49.52 | concept10 | amp: the first step is to find out what wireless chipset you have |
| 00:49.53 | pingouin_ | dreamer__: let me know when you'll reach something |
| 00:50.01 | abrotman | cartel_: all working now ? |
| 00:50.02 | Webby | I type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and I reconfigure my monitor, and restart, but I still get the startx error |
| 00:50.03 | pingouin_ | abrotman: happy for them ;) |
| 00:50.09 | dreamer__ | pingouin: i can print from xpdf |
| 00:50.12 | ambrose | amp: http://www.linux-laptops.org/ |
| 00:50.15 | cartel_ | abrotman: ie it worked before grub-install |
| 00:50.17 | pingouin_ | !praise the lord |
| 00:50.19 | amp | ambrose: yep, integrated... I found this: http://sulug.stanford.edu/thinkpad/index.html. Looks like a start |
| 00:50.24 | antgel | Webby: what video card you have? |
| 00:50.27 | pingouin_ | !praise the lord for printing |
| 00:50.28 | Gathond | dreamer__: cupsys and cupsys-bsd is not conflicting packages, the -bsd one contains the lpr command for compatibility, the other does not, they add to each other, I suspect the OO problem is that it wants to use lpr and that your lpr is not the cups one, hence wont play nice with the cups printer server you use |
| 00:50.29 | Webby | I have no idea |
| 00:50.40 | dondelelcaro | pingouin_: we got the point already |
| 00:50.45 | Webby | How do I check? |
| 00:50.51 | pingouin_ | !lart dondelelcaro |
| 00:50.57 | bob2 | dudes |
| 00:50.58 | ambrose | amp, there's another web site re: laptops and linux... looking for it |
| 00:51.01 | bob2 | it's not sunday anymore |
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| 00:51.02 | abrotman | /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 00:51.04 | kbrooks | ummm |
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| 00:51.09 | abrotman | bob2: it is here! :) |
| 00:51.11 | kbrooks | can an op please pm me? |
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| 00:51.14 | kbrooks | thanks |
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| 00:51.24 | concept10 | amp: this is a good page > http://sulug.stanford.edu/thinkpad/ |
| 00:51.25 | bob2 | kbrooks: if you have something to say, just say it |
| 00:51.29 | antgel | Webby: if you don't know what video card you have, how could you do the dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 00:51.36 | kbrooks | bob2, well fine |
| 00:51.37 | wrt4 | you IDIOT! the spammer is philv! if he was the first to join, then how come HE OP'ed the bots spamming! |
| 00:51.38 | Webby | I just picked vga |
| 00:51.44 | wrt4 | philv: please get a live, stop spamming |
| 00:51.48 | wrt4 | *life |
| 00:51.48 | Webby | But I really don't know which video card I have |
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| 00:51.52 | Webby | How do I find out? |
| 00:51.58 | dreamer__ | Gathond: does KDE spit into the mess too? i've notice the ''control center'' in KDE... has printer setting--- i played with those for a while |
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| 00:52.01 | antgel | Webby: lspci |
| 00:52.04 | Webby | ok |
| 00:52.06 | amp | concept10: thanks... I had just found that one |
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| 00:52.12 | abrotman | bob2: the notice spammer? |
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| 00:52.19 | Gathond | dreamer__: it might, dont use KDE so dont know much about that |
| 00:52.25 | abrotman | i'm not even sure what's going on .. :) |
| 00:52.27 | dreamer__ | interesting is that the printer i defined in cups shows up on the KDE menu... |
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| 00:52.29 | pingouin_ | dreamer__: playing some Rakmaninov tunes is easier than printing under linux ;) |
| 00:52.29 | bob2 | if philv is spamming, it's very selective |
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| 00:52.49 | Gathond | dreamer__: then one would assume the KDE panel is just a frontend for cups |
| 00:52.50 | abrotman | bob2: kbrooks and tsume_ just entered the channel and started blasting philv |
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| 00:53.03 | antgel | philv's choice of channels makes me think he's not a spammer |
| 00:53.18 | pingouin_ | oh by the way dondelelcaro : /ignore pingouin ;) |
| 00:53.22 | bob2 | kbrooks: so, what are you rambling on about? |
| 00:53.22 | Roots | You know what, I've been on Freenode the entire day and I didn't get any spam messages until I joined this channel just now :P |
| 00:53.23 | abrotman | is kbrooks going to enlighten us ? |
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| 00:53.31 | kbrooks | abrotman, he is a spammer |
| 00:53.35 | abrotman | Roots: /topic |
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| 00:53.38 | abrotman | kbrooks: how do you know? |
| 00:53.39 | bob2 | Roots: they've been hitting a bunch of big channels, I gather |
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| 00:53.43 | dondelelcaro | pingouin_: uh, you relize that the only way that happens is with a global ignore for #debian? |
| 00:53.43 | bob2 | kbrooks: in what sense? |
| 00:54.08 | kbrooks | abrotman, #ruby-lang |
| 00:54.09 | Roots | But I've been in #c and #c++ the entire day, and those are pretty big channels :P |
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| 00:54.33 | dreamer__ | Gathond: why do they have two packages... cupsys and cupsys-bsd? |
| 00:54.36 | abrotman | kbrooks: i'm not there .. nor will i join .. you can explain it here .. or i don't care :) |
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| 00:54.45 | bob2 | dreamer__: not everyone needs or wants the bsd side of it |
| 00:54.51 | abrotman | Roots: seems to be distro channels |
| 00:54.52 | ambrose | amp, this is the one I was thinking of: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ I wonder what happened to the dancing penguin though? No matter, the info you need is probably there |
| 00:54.53 | antgel | is it safe for me to /unignore joins yet, or is it still painful? |
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| 00:55.01 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's basically the big channels |
| 00:55.02 | Gathond | dreamer__: I've said that already, read the information in apt-cache show |
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| 00:55.26 | kbrooks | abrotman, fine. someone spammed in there, and a person found out the spammer was philv |
| 00:55.32 | abrotman | antgel: don't bother |
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| 00:55.36 | amp | ambrose: thanks SO much. from what I am reading already, it looks like a kernel compile is in order. |
| 00:55.42 | dondelelcaro | kbrooks: that's great, complain in #freenode, not here. |
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| 00:55.48 | dondelelcaro | kbrooks: if you continue, you will be devoiced. |
| 00:55.49 | abrotman | kbrooks: you need proof |
| 00:55.56 | ambrose | amp, np |
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| 00:56.13 | kbrooks | abrotman, i cant prove it. TOR |
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| 00:56.24 | concept10 | amp: kernel compile for your wireless/ |
| 00:56.29 | abrotman | right .. tor .. but it was obviously philv .. nice proof |
| 00:56.37 | devrethman | what packagge do i need to install to get stepmania to quit complaining that i have no openGL library |
| 00:56.39 | devrethman | ? |
| 00:56.40 | dreamer__ | well... i'll give cupsys-bsd a try... thanx... bbl |
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| 00:57.00 | cartel_ | abrotman: finally fixed |
| 00:57.08 | antgel | devrethman: is stepmania in debian? |
| 00:57.09 | abrotman | i thought kbrooks had been banned form this channel months ago |
| 00:57.10 | cartel_ | abrotman: and strange thing too |
| 00:57.12 | abrotman | cartel_: what was wrong? |
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| 00:57.18 | dondelelcaro | dreamer__: probably xlibmesa-gl |
| 00:57.21 | devrethman | antgel: no |
| 00:57.24 | amp | tjat |
| 00:57.26 | cartel_ | abrotman: tried flicking bios to lba mode and it worked |
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| 00:57.28 | devrethman | not that i saw |
| 00:57.31 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, but they time out after some time |
| 00:57.34 | cartel_ | abrotman: but it previously was working |
| 00:57.40 | abrotman | cartel_: isn't that what the FAQ i pointed you at said to do? |
| 00:57.42 | cartel_ | abrotman: on auto |
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| 00:57.49 | cartel_ | abrotman: faq said to set user mode |
| 00:57.50 | xlulux | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.53 | amp | concept10: that's what the website's I'm reading seem to indicate. got any other ideas or links? |
| 00:57.54 | abrotman | cartel_: oh ok |
| 00:57.57 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 00:58.08 | abrotman | xlulux: no |
| 00:58.08 | litage | can /var/log/debian-installer/ be removed, or at least made world-unreadable? |
| 00:58.10 | concept10 | What is the best way to browse NFS shares in GNOME? |
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| 00:58.19 | abrotman | concept10: mount it with nautilus ? |
| 00:58.22 | CtrlPhreke | I can't seem to get dvd's to play... or burn for that matter... any good suggestions for a media player with dvd compatability? |
| 00:58.25 | antgel | litage: again, i predict that you can |
| 00:58.27 | Webby | Help! I don't get any sound in debian |
| 00:58.32 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: oh .. i thought you guys had to specifically remove them |
| 00:58.32 | Webby | What do I do? |
| 00:58.49 | concept10 | amp: have you tried to use the ipw220 driver or ndiswrapper? |
| 00:58.51 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, but there are so many that the non-wide bans get removed |
| 00:58.52 | wols_ | CtrlPhreke: mplayer xinie. |
| 00:58.58 | antgel | Webby: read the manual? google? clue you need to know what soundcard you have and install alsa-utils |
| 00:59.00 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah .. gotcha |
| 00:59.00 | devrethman | CtrlPhreke: xine |
| 00:59.00 | wols_ | !tell CtrlPhreke about marillat |
| 00:59.01 | litage | antgel: how could i test to see if anything breaks? i've no idea what might use /var/log/debian-installer/ |
| 00:59.06 | amp | concept10: I'll give it a go |
| 00:59.22 | antgel | litage: um, the debian installer. :D |
| 00:59.25 | dondelelcaro | litage: that's where the initial install logs are kept, iirc; removing them shouldn't be a big deal |
| 00:59.36 | litage | thanks |
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| 00:59.47 | concept10 | abrotman: How do I go about doing that in Nautilus? Gnome also has a 'Shared folder' browser but it will not start for me. |
| 00:59.57 | antgel | is opening a tomcat port to the internet much more of a risk than, say, apache? |
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| 01:00.20 | dondelelcaro | antgel: that's almost an impossible question to anser |
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| 01:00.30 | Wuiqed | I'm getting confused about the "Please do not paste in the channel" part; can I paste a link to an image and ask a question about it? |
| 01:00.35 | abrotman | concept10: file-> connect to server .. that's my guess anyways |
| 01:00.37 | antgel | dondelelcaro: i knew that as i hit return. i'm tires. |
| 01:00.48 | antgel | s/tires/tired. see what i mean? :) |
| 01:00.53 | abrotman | concept10: though i don't see NFS in there |
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| 01:01.05 | Webby | anyone? |
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| 01:01.19 | abrotman | Webby: does sound work as root? which kernel? using alsa? |
| 01:01.20 | antgel | Webby: i replied to you |
| 01:01.34 | concept10 | abrotman: yeah, I use that to connect to my server using sftp but I want to browse NFS shares in the same manner. |
| 01:01.37 | abrotman | antgel: most only listen on the IP or localhost |
| 01:01.48 | bob2 | Wuiqed: it means "do not crap flood the channel" = do not paste more than a few lines of anything; use #flood for that |
| 01:01.50 | dreamer__ | Gathond: i did "apt-get install cupsys-bsd" .... now it prints from OpenOffice :)))))))) |
| 01:01.55 | ryanakca | when I go " mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12.5 2.6.12.5", I get an error because it for some reason looks in "/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/*" instead of "/lib/modules/2.6.12.5" |
| 01:01.57 | Webby | abrotman: Sound doesn't work ay all |
| 01:02.02 | ryanakca | any idea why? |
| 01:02.08 | devrethman | ok, does anyone know what package i have to install to get stepmania to compile without complaining that i don't have an OpenGL library intstalled? |
| 01:02.09 | abrotman | Webby: ok .. which card .. which kernel .. are you using alsa ? |
| 01:02.14 | Wuiqed | bob2, ah, ok, thanks |
| 01:02.16 | Gathond | dreamer__: congrats |
| 01:02.17 | antgel | abrotman: thanks for the input, but i don't understand your point. |
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| 01:02.26 | abrotman | devrethman: /msg dpkg search ... i think you're looking for gl.h |
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| 01:02.30 | dondelelcaro | devrethman: ldd /path/to/stepmania; then search for that library. |
| 01:02.33 | antgel | ryanakca: compile with make-kpkf |
| 01:02.39 | Webby | I reall don't know |
| 01:02.44 | dreamer__ | Gathond: and it likes firefox too :)))))) thanx |
| 01:02.57 | antgel | devrethman: it's not in debian. there's better place to find support. |
| 01:02.58 | abrotman | Webby: uname -a |
| 01:02.59 | Webby | I'm using alsa |
| 01:03.00 | Webby | ok |
| 01:03.02 | abrotman | Webby: lspci |
| 01:03.12 | devrethman | well, it's a debian package I need to find |
| 01:03.15 | dondelelcaro | antgel: eh, we answer those kinds of questions here. |
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| 01:03.21 | abrotman | devrethman: i know .. |
| 01:03.25 | abrotman | !find lib/gl.h |
| 01:03.33 | devrethman | so it's debian's problem, right? |
| 01:03.37 | dondelelcaro | !+find /gl.h |
| 01:03.38 | pingouin_ | !praise the lord for dreamer__ |
| 01:03.39 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:03.41 | concept10 | amp: did you see or try this page: http://sulug.stanford.edu/thinkpad/ndis.html |
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| 01:03.48 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'lib/gl.h' returned no results. |
| 01:03.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/gl.h' (6 of 10): (/usr/include/FL/gl.h) in libdevel/libfltk1.1-dev ;; (/usr/include/ClanLib/gl.h) in libdevel/libclanlib-dev ;; (/usr/X11R6/include/GL/gl.h) in libdevel/xlibmesa-gl-dev ;; (/usr/lib/R/library/base/html/gl.html) in math/r-base-html ;; (/usr/share/doc/doc-iana/root-whois/gl.htm) in doc/doc-iana ;; (/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/include/GL/gl.h) in devel/mingw32-runtime. |
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| 01:04.03 | abrotman | devrethman: xlibmesa-gl-dev should do it |
| 01:04.03 | pingouin_ | !praise the lord of cups |
| 01:04.19 | dreamer__ | pingouin: it is messy... but i think i can explain if you're wanting to try again |
| 01:04.31 | ryanakca | antgel: Ty |
| 01:04.33 | pingouin_ | dreamer__: nevermore |
| 01:04.40 | devrethman | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:04.41 | pingouin_ | dreamer__: i got friends for doing that |
| 01:04.48 | pingouin_ | dreamer__: or i use pen |
| 01:05.03 | pingouin_ | dreamer__: too painfull to print under linux |
| 01:05.06 | pingouin_ | !lart linux |
| 01:05.07 | dreamer__ | pingouin_: any case... i'll post it to my web site--- went i clean-up the notes i made |
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| 01:05.10 | devrethman | abrotman: aptitude says that's installed already |
| 01:05.11 | abrotman | devrethman: thank dondelelcaro |
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| 01:05.25 | litage | would it be safe to chmod /bin/dmesg 750, or would doing that break some other programs? |
| 01:05.25 | abrotman | devrethman: afaik .. that's the file it's looking for |
| 01:05.31 | antgel | ryanakca: furthermore, the debian reference has an excellent guide to compiling the kernel. read it. |
| 01:05.39 | amp | concept10: I haven't but I will. Thanks! |
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| 01:05.45 | abrotman | devrethman: when you ./configure .. what is the failing line? |
| 01:05.58 | devrethman | checking for glPushMatrix in -lGL... no |
| 01:05.58 | devrethman | configure: error: No OpenGL library could be found |
| 01:06.07 | abrotman | maybe it's not new enough |
| 01:06.08 | dreamer__ | http://individual.utoronto.ca/bonert/debian_install.html <-- install notes |
| 01:06.11 | dondelelcaro | devrethman: check out config.log too which will give you the include file that its looking for |
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| 01:06.30 | abrotman | devrethman: or you need xlibmesa-gl installed also .. if it's not already |
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| 01:06.59 | dondelelcaro | devrethman: it's also possible that you don't have -I/usr/X11R6/include specified (or the appropriate configure line to point at the include file) |
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| 01:07.24 | antgel | litage: have you read the securing debian manual? |
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| 01:07.36 | interalia | hi |
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| 01:07.45 | interalia | is it mandatory for debs to have md5sums ? |
| 01:07.46 | litage | antgel: yes |
| 01:07.47 | devrethman | ooh, i remember what it was |
| 01:07.50 | ArtistAgent | what file do i have to modify to change the order of access from eth0 to ppp0 |
| 01:07.50 | bob2 | interalia: no |
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| 01:07.55 | litage | antgel: i didn't see any mention of dmesg |
| 01:07.57 | devrethman | nvidia installed gl.h in some wierd spot |
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| 01:08.02 | interalia | bob2: thanks |
| 01:08.10 | Woosta | When I try to remove postfix (to install experimental from source), I'm being 'required' to install exim .. is there any solution? |
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| 01:08.17 | Webby | I'm using the VIA sound card |
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| 01:08.23 | mo1991 | can anyone help me with exim ? I am trying to get sendmail to send to send to outside emails? |
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| 01:08.31 | mo1991 | installed base mailx packages |
| 01:08.32 | Webby | and I get no sound |
| 01:08.37 | bob2 | Woosta: apt-cache show equivs |
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| 01:08.55 | mo1991 | why are abece and sempatik_M sending sex sites on here? |
| 01:09.06 | antgel | litage: good work! just checking. afaik dmesg is only written to by the kernel, so needs root write only. but i'm only making an informed guess |
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| 01:09.19 | litage | thanks antgel |
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| 01:09.29 | lilldude | i ahve lots of sex sites sent yesterday and today there gross links |
| 01:09.30 | devrethman | mo1991: and ayse and yasan_efsane |
| 01:09.37 | luser | mo1991 do a /mode mo1991 +E |
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| 01:09.45 | Webby | Why can't I switch sessions? |
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| 01:09.48 | antgel | so, are any of these sex links any good? :P |
| 01:09.56 | antgel | Webby: what sessions? |
| 01:10.04 | Webby | gnome and kde sessions |
| 01:10.04 | dondelelcaro | lilldude: see /topic |
| 01:10.04 | mo1991 | luser - what did that do? |
| 01:10.05 | abrotman | mo1991: /topic |
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| 01:10.30 | abrotman | mo1991: unregistered users can't msg you |
| 01:10.33 | lilldude | i am here for debian not that gross thing |
| 01:10.40 | Woosta | bob2: Thanks, looks like it might help |
| 01:10.47 | dondelelcaro | lilldude: /mode lilldude +E |
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| 01:11.02 | mo1991 | abrotam - never had that problem in here before |
| 01:11.04 | abrotman | lilldude: stop clicking the links |
| 01:11.13 | abrotman | mo1991: been happening since friday .... |
| 01:11.15 | luser | apparently, some messed up people do not like #debian guess they have no life |
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| 01:11.23 | litage | antgel: i was actually more interested in whether or not other programs need read access to dmesg.. |
| 01:11.29 | lilldude | what links do i not click |
| 01:11.30 | dondelelcaro | luser: its the network; just set umode +E |
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| 01:11.48 | antgel | litage: i would be _very_ surprised. |
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| 01:11.53 | luser | dondelelcaro: I did many many hours ago |
| 01:12.04 | dondelelcaro | luser: then please don't complain about it |
| 01:12.19 | litage | antgel: very surprised if...other programs needed read-access to dmesg? |
| 01:12.22 | luser | dondelelcaro: #debian in particular is getting hard hit on other channels I got none of that junk |
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| 01:12.26 | antgel | litage: yep |
| 01:12.30 | litage | danke |
| 01:12.32 | dondelelcaro | luser: only the big channels are getting it |
| 01:12.44 | abrotman | luser: it's not all channels .. just /mode luser +E .. |
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| 01:13.11 | luser | dondelelcaro: I was not complaining telling mo1991 I will not try to help anymore apparently it confuses you all |
| 01:13.28 | devrethman | ok, nothing's working, it still says i have no openGL library |
| 01:13.35 | magyar | abrotman: is the freenode hacked, i didnt see this before? |
| 01:13.46 | dondelelcaro | devrethman: paste the appropriate part of your config.log using the paster bot |
| 01:13.48 | abrotman | magyar: bots .. hate .. us |
| 01:13.49 | mo1991 | lets not let some spam shit get people pissed |
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| 01:14.02 | Webby | How do I get to load kde? |
| 01:14.10 | devrethman | ok, excuse me bieng a huge no00b, but how do I use the paster bot? |
| 01:14.14 | abrotman | Webby: apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system |
| 01:14.15 | dondelelcaro | !tell devrethman -about paster |
| 01:14.21 | abrotman | is the paster still +q ? |
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| 01:14.34 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: nah, it's just not announcing anything here |
| 01:14.38 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 01:14.58 | Webby | Ok, it says it is already installed but I can't get to it |
| 01:15.04 | Webby | I can't switch sessions |
| 01:15.07 | abrotman | Webby: /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 01:15.21 | Webby | ok |
| 01:15.28 | mo1991 | can anyone help me set up - or know of a package I can install - which will allow me to mail out like sendmail or exim? Neither one of those seems to be working right out of the box???? |
| 01:16.03 | Webby | abrotman: It says no such file or directory |
| 01:16.04 | magyar | this should be good |
| 01:16.17 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: dpkg-reconfigure exim; should walk you setting up a smarthost that can e-mail your isp's MTA. apt-get install nullmailer; will also help get mail off the box if you don't need to receive mail there |
| 01:16.35 | abrotman | Webby: did you install kdm ? |
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| 01:17.00 | Webby | yes |
| 01:17.04 | Webby | let me try again |
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| 01:17.39 | magyar | dondelelcaro: why not use the isp's mta than? |
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| 01:18.10 | Webby | abrotman: It didn't work |
| 01:18.16 | abrotman | Webby: why not ? |
| 01:18.26 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - I am just trying to send outgoing email with evolution via sendmail command - ie send email without my isp's smtp server |
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| 01:18.48 | wols_ | mo1991: you sure your ISP doesn't block port25 outbound? |
| 01:19.23 | mo1991 | wols_ my isp doesn't block any port - I do have a firewall tho - I need to open the TCP port 25??? |
| 01:19.28 | magyar | mo1991: can you telnet out on port 25 |
| 01:19.29 | magyar | ? |
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| 01:19.40 | mwilson | grrrr |
| 01:19.46 | antgel | from a practical security point of view, is there much difference between running a service as a normal user with a shell of /bin/false or /bin/bash? |
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| 01:19.52 | devrethman | odondelelcaro: ok, it's pasted |
| 01:20.01 | mo1991 | magyar - I do not have this port open - I don't have it open on my router |
| 01:20.02 | Webby | abrotman: it says kdm not running |
| 01:20.10 | abrotman | Webby: but it should still try to start it |
| 01:20.17 | mo1991 | magyar - do I need this open? |
| 01:20.17 | Webby | It doesn't |
| 01:20.20 | devrethman | dondelelcaro: it's pasted |
| 01:20.24 | antgel | Webby: you starting it as root? |
| 01:20.29 | magyar | mo1991: sure |
| 01:20.31 | wols_ | mo1991: if you want to send mail you need to open port25 outbound, yes |
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| 01:20.35 | Webby | I did /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 01:20.39 | Webby | yes as root |
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| 01:20.44 | magyar | mo1991: only if you accept mail |
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| 01:20.51 | Gathond | antgel: well depends upon wether its a problem for you if they can login or not |
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| 01:20.55 | mo1991 | wols_ - magyar lets give that a try |
| 01:21.04 | Webby | and it says it starts but nothing happens |
| 01:21.06 | wols_ | magyar: no for receiving it's 25 inbound. different things |
| 01:21.11 | Woosta | Is there any way to uninstall postfix at the same time as installing my equivs 'mta-local'? |
| 01:21.26 | wols_ | Woosta: install the new mta |
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| 01:21.34 | magyar | wols_: true |
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| 01:21.37 | devrethman | anybody? |
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| 01:21.44 | Woosta | wols_: It won't let me as there's an mta already installed .. |
| 01:21.45 | abrotman | devrethman: we need the url :) |
| 01:21.48 | devrethman | oh |
| 01:21.54 | antgel | Gathond: don't think so. the user doesn't have a lot of privs on the box. btw, i meant specifically security in terms of the port being accessible from the internet |
| 01:22.07 | mwilson | Woosta: Then you didn't build your equivs package correctly. |
| 01:22.13 | devrethman | http://channels.debian.net/paste/597 |
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| 01:22.17 | mo1991 | magyar - I do accept mail from fastmail.com and that works fine - webmail - not my machine running a mail server - I just want to send outgoing mail from this machine rather than through an isp - used to work fine in Fedora - but doesn't work at the moment |
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| 01:22.26 | Gathond | antgel: not much difference there no |
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| 01:22.50 | mwilson | Woosta: It must Replace, Provide, and Conflict with mail-transport-agent. |
| 01:22.53 | devrethman | sometimes i try too hard not to be a n00b... |
| 01:23.09 | Woosta | mwilson: I used their example :) ... mta-local conflicts with mail-transport-agent ... postfix provides mail-transport-agent and is installed. |
| 01:23.15 | magyar | mo1991: you might have problems with outside mail servers accepting your request to send |
| 01:23.19 | Woosta | mwilson: thanks .. i'll have a look at it |
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| 01:23.35 | mo1991 | wols_ open port 25 TCP correct? |
| 01:23.39 | mwilson | Woosta: But it doesn't *provide* it, nor does it *replace* it, therefore you can't force postfix off the system. |
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| 01:23.49 | wols_ | mo1991: which is why you want to use a smarthost like your ISP mailserver |
| 01:23.51 | devrethman | i didn't know which was "the appropriate part" so i pasted the whole thing |
| 01:23.53 | mo1991 | magyar - what outside mail server??? |
| 01:23.53 | wols_ | mo1991: correct |
| 01:23.57 | antgel | a more general question, just to confirm. if a service runs as user "cock", if the port is hacked with a buffer overrun or whatever, the attacker is limited to doing things that "cock" could do? |
| 01:23.57 | bob2 | benh! |
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| 01:24.01 | abrotman | devrethman: i see that |
| 01:24.04 | mo1991 | I am trying to send directly from this box? |
| 01:24.14 | bob2 | antgel: unless they exploit another hole on your machine once they're in |
| 01:24.17 | mo1991 | wols_ trying to send directly from this box?? |
| 01:24.21 | antgel | bob2: fair play |
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| 01:24.26 | wols_ | antgel: unless he has a priviledge escalation exploit |
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| 01:24.28 | abrotman | devrethman: do the docs say it requires a certain version of GL ? |
| 01:24.28 | benh | somebody knows who is this other benh that keep squatting my nick here ?. |
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| 01:24.33 | wols_ | mo1991: yes |
| 01:24.37 | Woosta | mwilson: The example 'Provides' and 'Conflicts', but doesn't 'Replaces' .. I'll edit and try again |
| 01:24.41 | magyar | mo1991: if you dont resolve proper the receiving server might drop your helo |
| 01:24.41 | devrethman | don't think so... |
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| 01:25.00 | mo1991 | magyar - this is true |
| 01:25.03 | justin | benh: enable nickserv protection? |
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| 01:25.19 | mo1991 | some emails ddidn't go thorugh tthe way I had it setup before with sendmail |
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| 01:25.34 | wols_ | mo1991: cause you're in a dialup IP range |
| 01:25.35 | mo1991 | but my isp limits the amount of people I send to to like 5 |
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| 01:25.38 | devrethman | nope |
| 01:25.42 | benh | justin: doesn't quite work |
| 01:25.44 | devrethman | it jsut says i need openGL |
| 01:25.45 | mo1991 | wols_ right |
| 01:25.59 | benh | justin: I can kick him manually each time sure, but he comes back as soon as I'm away |
| 01:26.01 | mo1991 | I would go through my isp - but they limit recipients |
| 01:26.15 | benh | so if somebody actually knows him, that would be helpful as he doesn't reply to my messages |
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| 01:26.32 | abrotman | devrethman: afaict .. you have the right stuff installed .. what are you trying to compile again |
| 01:26.35 | mo1991 | I need to send to many people on certian emails - I have a mail list I need to send events to |
| 01:26.47 | devrethman | abrotman:stepmania |
| 01:26.56 | abrotman | wtf is stepmania ? |
| 01:27.03 | litage | /var/log/mail.err, .info, .log, and .warn are all empty. can they be removed, or at least chmod'd 640? |
| 01:27.10 | devrethman | computer version of DDR |
| 01:27.24 | devrethman | go ahead, laugh at me |
| 01:27.25 | antgel | litage: no mail on the box? |
| 01:27.26 | mo1991 | wols_ any suggestions ? I know there is a windows program called advanced mass sender that sends out the same email by sending to 5 on the list, then the next 5 , etc. Anyway to do this with linux |
| 01:27.32 | antgel | litage: is this box a washing machine? |
| 01:27.41 | litage | antgel: hah no, it's my destkop |
| 01:27.46 | wols_ | mo1991: look into mailman |
| 01:27.48 | abrotman | !pal devrethman |
| 01:27.53 | abrotman | devrethman: feel better? :) |
| 01:27.59 | devrethman | i knew that would happen |
| 01:28.12 | abrotman | devrethman: are you on sid? |
| 01:28.29 | Woosta | Ahhh .. fixed it .. removed postfix-* first .. then it worked :) |
| 01:28.34 | devrethman | i'm on stable amd64, don't remember what the name of it was |
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| 01:28.56 | antgel | litage: don't know about removal. but you can o-r, i'm sure. |
| 01:28.57 | devrethman | according to packages.debian.org, it's not in apt anywhere |
| 01:29.18 | abrotman | devrethman: what isn't? |
| 01:29.25 | devrethman | stepmania |
| 01:29.30 | abrotman | devrethman: you might want to ask #debian-amd64 .. it might be an amd64 specific problem |
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| 01:29.39 | ryanakca | I've installed all of the debian-jr packages, and I've searched the deb-jr website with no avail, is there a script to make a folder in the gnome menu with all the deb-jr programs? Meaning, not manually add them all individually? |
| 01:29.44 | devrethman | ok, i'll check with them |
| 01:30.03 | wols_ | devrethman: do you have xlibmesa-gl-dev installed? do you have a /usr/X11R6/include/GL/gl.h ? |
| 01:30.23 | antgel | there is a song on the radio "text me and we'll see how interactive we can be" |
| 01:30.28 | abrotman | wols_: he said he did |
| 01:30.37 | wols_ | ah, didn't see that |
| 01:30.42 | antgel | ryanakca: you have menu installed? |
| 01:31.05 | devrethman | wols_: yes, i have xlibmesa-gl-dev, and i have a /usr/include/GL/gl.h |
| 01:31.20 | abrotman | and you have xlibmesa-gl installed also ? |
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| 01:31.39 | abrotman | devrethman: try running ldconfig ? |
| 01:31.46 | wols_ | and that configure script tries to #include <GL/gl.h> ? |
| 01:31.47 | mo1991 | wols_ for now I would just like to get mailx (exim) working to send out mail - is there a way I can trouble shoot it - evolution seems to think it is sending properly - but I send it to myself and do not receive it |
| 01:32.22 | wols_ | mo1991: syslog. as for incoming mail onthat box: try /var/spool/mail/<usernam> |
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| 01:32.43 | antgel | mo1991: did you dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? |
| 01:32.56 | devrethman | abrotman: doesn't make any difference |
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| 01:33.09 | devrethman | unless i'm doing it wrong or something |
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| 01:34.12 | cartel_ | ack |
| 01:34.18 | abrotman | devrethman: afaik .. you're doing everything correctly |
| 01:34.23 | mo1991 | wols_ I am only trying to send email out - which log would I look at? |
| 01:34.26 | mo1991 | syslog? |
| 01:34.44 | abrotman | devrethman: you did ask #debian-amd64? |
| 01:34.47 | cartel_ | anyone seen this error: The device node /dev/md1 for the root filesystem is missing, incorrect, or there is no entry for the root filesystem listed in /etc/fstab |
| 01:34.59 | abrotman | devrethman: how does that game work with no foot pad thingie? |
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| 01:35.12 | ryanakca | antgel: yes, I do have the "menu" package installed |
| 01:35.15 | cartel_ | my fstab exists, there is a /dev/md1 node |
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| 01:35.21 | astronut | md? |
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| 01:35.26 | justin | cartel_: maybe you should mention what you did to get that error? |
| 01:35.30 | devrethman | abrotman: no idea, i can't get it to install |
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| 01:35.57 | cartel_ | justin: booted? |
| 01:35.58 | devrethman | i've seen it played on the KB though, so i know it's possible |
| 01:36.02 | cartel_ | ahh think it is booting wrong kernel |
| 01:36.03 | antgel | ryanakca: seek out the deb-jr specific help, think there's a mailing list |
| 01:36.41 | cartel_ | yep |
| 01:36.47 | mo1991 | antgel - doing this now - do I want the "sent by smarthost - recieved by smtp option " I believe |
| 01:36.48 | mo1991 | ??? |
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| 01:37.29 | antgel | mo1991: no. you want to send and receive via smtp. smarthost would divert outgoing mail via your isp's server. there are pros and cons of that. |
| 01:37.47 | abrotman | devrethman: maybe see if someone in -amd64 will attempt a compile also |
| 01:37.57 | devrethman | i'm working on it |
| 01:38.16 | devrethman | they all seem to be.... not there |
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| 01:39.12 | mo1991 | antgel - I want to send via THIS BOX (not via my isp's mailer) Is this possible here? |
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| 01:39.35 | abrotman | devrethman: there isn't 500 of them .. wait a bit :) |
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| 01:39.49 | blafArd | how do I change the keymap for kdm? |
| 01:40.02 | antgel | mo1991: please fucking read what i said |
| 01:40.13 | mo1991 | sorry man, I'm trying |
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| 01:40.36 | mo1991 | antgel - how can I send via smtp if I don't have one |
| 01:40.39 | mo1991 | ? |
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| 01:40.46 | antgel | mo1991: exim is your smtp server |
| 01:40.55 | mo1991 | ok |
| 01:41.07 | mo1991 | I'm new to this mail configing |
| 01:41.15 | mo1991 | sendmail just worked on my old system |
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| 01:41.26 | mo1991 | although it did drop to some destinations |
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| 01:41.32 | mo1991 | as I had a non static IP |
| 01:41.38 | mo1991 | As you've stated earlier |
| 01:41.58 | justin | mo1991: if you don't know what a smtp server is you really shouldn't be running one |
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| 01:42.14 | abrotman | except exim is installed by default |
| 01:42.18 | antgel | mo1991: have you read the debian reference (manual)? |
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| 01:42.25 | FieldySnuts | @fuck sendmail |
| 01:42.28 | mo1991 | justin - I know what it is |
| 01:42.31 | abrotman | whatever happened to the other Justin ? |
| 01:42.38 | justin | abrotman: What other justin? |
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| 01:42.52 | abrotman | justin: you're not the bouncybouncy justin are you? |
| 01:42.57 | justin | abrotman: yes I am |
| 01:43.05 | abrotman | justin: oh .. you lost the J :) |
| 01:43.11 | abrotman | and you're not around nearly as much |
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| 01:43.30 | mo1991 | antgel - that goes over some mail configs? I do understand what running my own smtp means - yes that is what I'm trying to do |
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| 01:43.35 | justin | abrotman: i've beein here almost 24/7 for the last year |
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| 01:43.43 | abrotman | justin: i meant you don't speak as much |
| 01:43.47 | justin | abrotman: work |
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| 01:43.51 | abrotman | work sucks! |
| 01:44.04 | antgel | mo1991: "goes over"? |
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| 01:46.40 | mo1991 | antgel - no I have not read it - where might I find this? |
| 01:46.53 | antgel | !tell mo1991 about reference |
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| 01:47.16 | antgel | don't know how people can install an os without rtfm |
| 01:47.35 | antgel | except aussies. |
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| 01:47.42 | mepha | I can't get php4 to work with apache2. apache is working fine but when i go to a .php document it asks me if I want to save it to my computer. I used apt-get to install apache2, php4, php4-mysql |
| 01:47.47 | antgel | they're like "well mate, how hard can it be?" |
| 01:47.58 | antgel | mepha: empty browser cache |
| 01:47.59 | justin | mepha: apt-cache search apache2 php4 |
| 01:48.21 | antgel | mepha: what justin said. you installed the php module for apache? |
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| 01:48.39 | mepha | i did apt-get on apache2, then php4, then php4-mysql |
| 01:48.58 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php4 is needed |
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| 01:49.19 | mepha | Abrotman: says its already installed |
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| 01:49.28 | abrotman | is the module loaded ? |
| 01:49.34 | mo1991 | antgel I have run linux for many years - just fairly new to debian - I do like it better than it's redhat counterpart tho |
| 01:49.43 | mepha | How would I check? |
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| 01:49.56 | antgel | mo1991: fair enough. the manual should be easy for you to get through. |
| 01:49.57 | mo1991 | this is why I am unaware of tfm |
| 01:50.03 | garfoundit | hello |
| 01:50.16 | antgel | mo1991: it's a great bit of work |
| 01:50.17 | mo1991 | antgel - got it bookmarked |
| 01:50.22 | garfoundit | can someone direct me to a debian floppy rescue image? |
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| 01:50.33 | waltman | has anyone installed debian on an intel d945gnt mb? the installer isn't detecting my sata hd, and i don't know which module to use |
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| 01:50.42 | dvs | garfoundit: I like Knoppix for that. |
| 01:50.43 | antgel | waltman: installed 2.6 kernel? |
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| 01:50.51 | garfoundit | I installed BSD and the BSD boot manager will not boot debian as well. |
| 01:50.59 | waltman | antgel: brand new system, blank hd |
| 01:51.16 | antgel | waltman: do you understand what i asked? |
| 01:51.32 | mepha | Anyone else have any ideas? |
| 01:51.36 | waltman | obviously not. i'm trying to install the 2.6 kernel. |
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| 01:51.37 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 01:51.46 | abrotman | !grub floppy image |
| 01:51.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 01:51.47 | waltman | trying to install sarge, getting hung up on the install. |
| 01:52.02 | abrotman | waltman: sarge installer doesn't |
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| 01:52.07 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 01:52.07 | dpkg | hmm... custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD |
| 01:52.08 | dvs | waltman: Use the "linux26" boot option |
| 01:52.09 | garfoundit | abrotman, i dont have grub or the image im on my bsd router box now |
| 01:52.11 | green_earz | rrrrrrrrrrr |
| 01:52.17 | waltman | aha. |
| 01:52.19 | abrotman | garfoundit: grub will boot debian |
| 01:52.26 | abrotman | waltman: the sarge kernel is too old |
| 01:52.32 | abrotman | waltman: ich6 right ? |
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| 01:52.34 | antgel | waltman: then tell me. if you type linux26 at the boot prompt, might help |
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| 01:52.46 | garfoundit | this is nuts |
| 01:52.50 | waltman | actually i'm trying to install using the latest testing installer |
| 01:52.51 | antgel | waltman: however it appears that abrotman is the man on this subject |
| 01:52.52 | htet | what can i do to get dual monitor working on my nvidia card geforce 5500, 2.6 kernel |
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| 01:53.01 | waltman | ich6? |
| 01:53.02 | abrotman | #nvidia |
| 01:53.03 | garfoundit | can i use the debian installer to reinstall grub? |
| 01:53.08 | abrotman | waltman: the sata controller type |
| 01:53.15 | abrotman | garfoundit: i've never tried it .. it might be able to |
| 01:53.15 | antgel | htet: you could read the docs and have a go, and come back when you hit a specific problem |
| 01:53.24 | waltman | i don't have a clue |
| 01:53.30 | abrotman | waltman: you're in windows now ? |
| 01:53.50 | waltman | no, i'm on another box |
| 01:53.50 | abrotman | waltman: or you know your mobo model,etc ? |
| 01:53.55 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 01:53.58 | waltman | intel d945gnt |
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| 01:54.01 | htet | antgel , but where should i start? where is the document? |
| 01:54.07 | garfoundit | is there a rescue image on the debian disc? |
| 01:54.08 | abrotman | waltman: moment |
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| 01:54.26 | waltman | i couldn't find any specs on the specific sta chipset they're using |
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| 01:54.33 | antgel | htet: read the documentation for xfree86 or xorg. whatever you use. then google. |
| 01:54.50 | htet | ok |
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| 01:55.20 | abrotman | waltman: intel has a crappy website :) |
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| 01:55.44 | knick | anyone tell me where i can find a list of debian repositories? |
| 01:55.50 | waltman | ok, booted with linux26. still didn't detect my sata drive, still have the same choices for drives. |
| 01:55.51 | garfoundit | hello i need help booting a debian system with a boot loader that has been overwritten |
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| 01:56.24 | abrotman | waltman: that's all i can guess .. |
| 01:56.27 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 01:56.27 | dpkg | hmm... sarge hardware support is reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 01:56.33 | abrotman | waltman: ^^ |
| 01:56.53 | waltman | fuck |
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| 01:56.56 | antgel | garfoundit: you can rescue from the debian installer by hitting alt-f2 or f3 (can't remember which) to get a console. then you need to be pretty handy. as has been said before, better to use a live cd |
| 01:56.59 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 01:56.59 | dpkg | methinks custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD |
| 01:57.00 | abrotman | :) |
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| 01:57.11 | waltman | so i have to put fucking ubuntu on it? :( |
| 01:57.21 | antgel | waltman: read what he said twice |
| 01:57.24 | abrotman | waltman: or you can try a daily .. but make surre you read the current issues |
| 01:57.32 | knick | anyone know where i can find a list of debian repositories? |
| 01:57.36 | waltman | read what i said. i'm using a daily |
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| 01:57.44 | plb | anyone using gkrellm on unstable have any problems with it not starting? no errors or log entries just hangs |
| 01:57.45 | antgel | knick: www.debian.org? please tell me you looked |
| 01:57.54 | abrotman | waltman: oh .. crap |
| 01:57.56 | garfoundit | can anyone here help me boot my debian system? Im going nuts |
| 01:57.58 | abrotman | waltman: ask #debian-boot |
| 01:57.59 | knick | can't find the list |
| 01:58.02 | waltman | ok. |
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| 01:58.10 | dvs | knick: Didn't look hard enough |
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| 01:58.26 | abrotman | waltman: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerToday .. just to make sure |
| 01:58.27 | bob2 | plb: bugs.debian.org |
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| 01:58.39 | EdLin | knick: try apt-get.org |
| 01:58.50 | garfoundit | !sarge boot |
| 01:58.53 | devrethman | anybody know why apt would tell me: package nvidia-glx-dev has no installation candidate all the time? |
| 01:58.55 | antgel | waltman: if i was in your shoes with that bleeding edge board, i'd try a knoppix chroot install, assuming that knoppix sees the drive |
| 01:59.04 | EdLin | knick: that's where you can search for programs in unofficial repos |
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| 01:59.23 | knick | thanks edlin but i'm just looking to add them to my list |
| 01:59.24 | garfoundit | or you can use gentoo |
| 01:59.55 | bob2 | devrethman: if you're compiling something that uses GL, that's not the package you want |
| 02:00.04 | knick | antgel: where the hell is the list? |
| 02:00.05 | waltman | antgel: i didn't realize it was so bleeding edge, or i wouldn't have bought it :( |
| 02:00.08 | EdLin | knick: there is no reason to add potentially problematic third party repositories to your system if you aren't going to use them. |
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| 02:00.18 | devrethman | i know |
| 02:00.26 | ke6isf | From another network. =O.o= |
| 02:00.28 | antgel | waltman: yeah but it was a cheap lesson. you'll never do it again :) |
| 02:00.29 | devrethman | but it says that about lots of packages |
| 02:00.51 | bob2 | devrethman: youwant xlibmesa-dev |
| 02:00.52 | garfoundit | i have the sources.list file that includes a repository for prebuilt debian nvidia drivers |
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| 02:01.08 | devrethman | so i havce been told, but it doesn't work |
| 02:01.11 | garfoundit | but i sure can't boot it |
| 02:01.26 | devrethman | regardless of the package i'm trying to install, why does it say that that package has no installation candidate |
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| 02:02.12 | bob2 | devrethman: because the package doesn't exist |
| 02:02.25 | bob2 | as a real package that you've told apt about |
| 02:02.30 | garfoundit | it's one of thoose fake ones |
| 02:02.32 | antgel | knick: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ |
| 02:02.32 | waltman | antgel: this "cheap lesson" set me back $700 yesterday for the full system, plus several hours installing everything to even get to this point. |
| 02:02.36 | devrethman | then why is it in packages.debian.org? |
| 02:02.47 | asdasdx | hi, can i install debian with just debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso ? |
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| 02:03.01 | atom-z | waltman, what is your hardware problem? |
| 02:03.01 | bob2 | devrethman: because you haven't told apt about all the repositories that site knows about |
| 02:03.01 | garfoundit | becuase another package requires it |
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| 02:03.04 | waltman | no one seems to be awake on #debian-boot |
| 02:03.05 | dvs | asdasdx: yes |
| 02:03.06 | bob2 | asdasdx: sure |
| 02:03.06 | antgel | waltman: fucking hell. i don't keep up with pc hardware and assumed you about a £150 board/ram/processor combo |
| 02:03.08 | mwilson | asdasdx: What does the installation guide say? |
| 02:03.09 | asdasdx | thanks |
| 02:03.20 | devrethman | bob2: so how do i tell it about them? |
| 02:03.26 | waltman | board, ram, cpu, hd, the whole shebang |
| 02:03.27 | antgel | waltman: do you have another linux box? |
| 02:03.31 | waltman | yes |
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| 02:03.56 | atom-z | I have very new hardware... works pretty flawlessly on etch (with nvidia's drivers) |
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| 02:04.08 | bob2 | devrethman: bear in mind you don't want that package now |
| 02:04.17 | bob2 | devrethman: but adding non-free to your sources.list would help |
| 02:04.17 | devrethman | yes, i realize that |
| 02:04.20 | antgel | waltman: ok. you could have a go at making your own install cd. i've never done it but i think there's some good tools and docs on it now. you need to find out which kernel supports the sata, for starters. |
| 02:04.21 | devrethman | i have] |
| 02:04.25 | devrethman | and it still does that |
| 02:04.29 | asdasdx | who has a d-link di-604 router in debian sarge? |
| 02:04.33 | antgel | atom-z: great. make him feel worse |
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| 02:04.45 | antgel | !tell asdasdx about polls |
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| 02:04.56 | waltman | antgel: and how do i find out that? i can't find any documentation on which chipset it's using. |
| 02:04.58 | dvs | antgel: On the Debian site for making your own debian install CD? |
| 02:05.01 | atom-z | antgel, isnt SATA a standard though? |
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| 02:05.07 | ddtcomp | 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 02:05.08 | ddtcomp | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
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| 02:05.10 | ddtcomp | help plz |
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| 02:05.16 | abrotman | asdasdx: i might .. or maybe it's 514 .. who knows ... |
| 02:05.21 | abrotman | asdasdx: but that shouldn't matter |
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| 02:05.32 | antgel | atom-z: yes, but so is dvd. |
| 02:05.36 | waltman | atom-z: the installer lists like 10 different sata modules, none of which worked. |
| 02:05.36 | atom-z | heh ok |
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| 02:05.46 | Wuiqed | http://techcrazy.theppn.org/archives/2004/08/26/how-much-faster-is-fast-enough/ |
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| 02:05.51 | Wuiqed | ops, wrong channel |
| 02:05.53 | atom-z | waltman, what motherboard do you have? |
| 02:06.03 | ddtcomp | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
| 02:06.05 | ddtcomp | help plz |
| 02:06.11 | waltman | intel d945gnt |
| 02:06.14 | antgel | waltman: i'd burn a knoppix cd first and see if it detects the sata, and do a lspci while you're at it |
| 02:06.15 | FieldySnuts | @fuck IE for not supporting PNG transparencies properly |
| 02:06.22 | FieldySnuts | how lame |
| 02:06.30 | antgel | FieldySnuts: i have medicine for that if you need |
| 02:06.31 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: yeah .. and it's an ugly hack too |
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| 02:06.52 | ddtcomp | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 02:06.52 | ddtcomp | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
| 02:06.56 | ddtcomp | help plz! |
| 02:07.03 | antgel | !btssmite ddtcomp |
| 02:07.04 | abrotman | keep damn repeating |
| 02:07.09 | PandaKun | hey |
| 02:07.11 | waltman | why knoppix instead of ubuntu? |
| 02:07.13 | PandaKun | !date |
| 02:07.13 | dpkg | The current date is Mon Aug 29 02:07:13 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 02:07.23 | ke6isf | waltman: Neither. |
| 02:07.26 | PandaKun | anyone know how to change the date on my box? |
| 02:07.29 | antgel | waltman: whatever floats your boat. choose the one with newer kernel |
| 02:07.30 | abrotman | !ntp |
| 02:07.31 | dpkg | [ntp] the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 02:07.32 | PandaKun | date 0830 doesnt work |
| 02:07.33 | FieldySnuts | not going to hack around it. people can use a real browser. |
| 02:07.37 | PandaKun | nah i wanna changei t to a day ahead |
| 02:07.41 | lunitik | anyone knows how I can fake a version number? I haven't played with packages for a while... I need a package to depend >= whereas right now it depends =... |
| 02:07.54 | antgel | lunitik: why the fuck? |
| 02:07.54 | garfoundit | http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ this is how i setup nvidia on my box |
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| 02:08.05 | lunitik | antgel: don't worry about why... I just need to do it... |
| 02:08.06 | asdasdx | my router manual says that i have to type 192.168.0.1 in my web browser and then set the login and password of my connection. Do i need to do anything else in debian sarge? |
| 02:08.21 | antgel | lunitik: right, i'll stop worrying about it. |
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| 02:08.31 | dvs | asdasdx: Set your router as the default gateway. |
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| 02:08.48 | lunitik | I think it has to do with /var/lib/dpkg/ files... but I don't want to mess with things before I know what I am doing... |
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| 02:09.02 | PandaKun | how would i change my date to a day ahead? |
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| 02:09.19 | antgel | PandaKun: man date |
| 02:09.21 | garfoundit | if anyone has any suggestions as to how to boot debian once the boot record has been smited please speak up |
| 02:09.23 | antgel | hehe |
| 02:09.37 | lunitik | antgel: enlightenment 17 packages depend libdirectfb-##-20 ... available version is 22... |
| 02:09.38 | dvs | garfoundit: Use knoppix to put it back |
| 02:09.54 | abrotman | garfoundit: use that grub boot floppy |
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| 02:09.59 | garfoundit | good i have knoppix but how would i do that? |
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| 02:10.00 | lunitik | antgel: no risk of breakage... however, dependencies don't match :/ |
| 02:10.00 | antgel | garfoundit: you have had various suggestions. what have the flaws been in those suggestions? |
| 02:10.22 | antgel | lunitik: i'm not worrying about it |
| 02:10.28 | lunitik | antgel: ## = the same in both cases... so presumably its just a different build number |
| 02:10.34 | lunitik | antgel: blah... |
| 02:10.35 | SerajewelKS | how can i have blootbot use factoid arguments in the replacement? i'm trying stuff with "cmd:" but it doesn't seem to be working. |
| 02:10.40 | PandaKun | wow lol |
| 02:10.43 | antgel | lunitik: what version of debian you running? |
| 02:10.47 | PandaKun | antgel |
| 02:10.48 | PandaKun | im using it. |
| 02:10.48 | lunitik | antgel: could just say you don't know, and save me the time |
| 02:10.49 | PandaKun | it wont work |
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| 02:10.53 | FieldySnuts | @wpm |
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| 02:11.16 | lunitik | antgel: thanks for wasting my time anyways, much appreciated... prick |
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| 02:11.50 | antgel | lunitik: thanks for making great use of my time. plonk |
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| 02:11.55 | PandaKun | date: invalid date `0829' |
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| 02:12.29 | ke6isf | argh, spambots galore today. |
| 02:12.33 | PandaKun | yeha lol |
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| 02:13.06 | dvs | ke6isf: it's been like that for a couple of days |
| 02:13.08 | asdasdx | im gettin tons of xxx querys, god dammint |
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| 02:13.21 | PandaKun | any idea? |
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| 02:13.25 | SerajewelKS | !topicsmite asdasdx |
| 02:13.26 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon asdasdx. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:13.39 | garfoundit | im getting like 2 every minute |
| 02:13.45 | garfoundit | brb |
| 02:13.47 | SerajewelKS | why don't people read the topic... |
| 02:13.53 | abrotman | garfoundit: /umode +E |
| 02:14.00 | dvs | SerajewelKS: There's a topic?!? ;-) |
| 02:14.00 | lunitik | !e17 |
| 02:14.01 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 02:14.14 | lunitik | !DR17 |
| 02:14.14 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 02:14.24 | lunitik | blah... those are broken too :/ |
| 02:14.27 | asdasdx | bye and thanks for your help xD |
| 02:14.53 | ke6isf | garfoundit: spambot solution: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#spambots |
| 02:14.57 | plb | argh damn it sucks when apps won't work and don't log anything =\ |
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| 02:15.12 | litage_ | how do you prevent kernel modules from being loaded? |
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| 02:15.24 | lunitik | plb: tried running from cli? |
| 02:15.27 | plb | litage_: /etc/hotplug/blacklist? |
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| 02:15.31 | plb | lunitik: yeah nothing |
| 02:15.36 | ke6isf | dvs: I guess it explains why bob2 has the @ on right now. |
| 02:15.39 | lunitik | plb: sol then :( |
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| 02:16.09 | lunitik | ke6isf: @ = irssi op signification |
| 02:16.18 | garfoundit | OMG i think knoppix has froze while scanning the harddisk partitions... |
| 02:16.22 | ke6isf | lunitik: Um, yes, I'm fully aware of this, sir. |
| 02:16.28 | ke6isf | lunitik: I've known this since 1997. |
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| 02:16.38 | PandaKun | hmm? |
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| 02:16.59 | ke6isf | lunitik: It is the ISO Standard console based client designation flag for IRC channel operators, amongst other clients. |
| 02:17.00 | garfoundit | i don't think knoppix supprts BSD style partitioning |
| 02:17.01 | maher | PandaKun: di you read man date |
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| 02:17.46 | litage | plb: i was thinking more along the lines of preventing the loading of any module rather than of specific modules |
| 02:17.49 | SerajewelKS | is there a blootbot support channel somewhere? |
| 02:17.54 | garfoundit | can i say the F word here? |
| 02:18.00 | dvs | garfoundit: fuck no |
| 02:18.01 | SerajewelKS | garfoundit, fuck no.. |
| 02:18.07 | SerajewelKS | hah |
| 02:18.08 | ke6isf | garfoundit: Watch your fucking language! |
| 02:18.08 | garfoundit | FUCK |
| 02:18.13 | dvs | SerajewelKS: :-P |
| 02:18.18 | garfoundit | had to get that out of me |
| 02:18.24 | garfoundit | FUCK |
| 02:18.30 | dvs | ke6isf: What fucking language? |
| 02:18.30 | FieldySnuts | @fuck garfoundit |
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| 02:18.40 | bob2 | come on people |
| 02:18.42 | ke6isf | dvs: Don't fucking curse at me! =^_^= |
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| 02:18.54 | garfoundit | thats really weird |
| 02:19.05 | abrotman | !tell root_ about root |
| 02:19.11 | PandaKun | !change the dat |
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| 02:19.12 | dpkg | that doesn't look right |
| 02:19.13 | PandaKun | !change the date |
| 02:19.15 | dpkg | that doesn't look right |
| 02:19.16 | PandaKun | rawr. i need to change the date |
| 02:19.16 | Debird | it fuckin fucks my fucker when you use fuckin language like that that is so fucked up |
| 02:19.21 | PandaKun | man date doesn't work. |
| 02:19.23 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 02:19.25 | PandaKun | i read the manual |
| 02:19.30 | PandaKun | still doesn't explain my problem |
| 02:19.32 | bob2 | Debird: so, there's funny, and there's excessive |
| 02:19.34 | abrotman | !tell PandaKun about ntp |
| 02:19.35 | FieldySnuts | thought you said man date doesn't work? |
| 02:19.35 | ke6isf | !tell PandaKun -about ntp |
| 02:19.37 | PandaKun | date: invalid date `0829' |
| 02:19.39 | FieldySnuts | yet you read the man page. |
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| 02:19.47 | PandaKun | you guys arent listening |
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| 02:19.50 | PandaKun | i want to change the date AHEAD. |
| 02:19.54 | FieldySnuts | you aren't communicating clearly |
| 02:19.55 | PandaKun | 1 day before. |
| 02:19.58 | PandaKun | yes i am |
| 02:20.01 | PandaKun | you guys keep talking about spambots. |
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| 02:20.17 | bob2 | PandaKun: man date. enjoy. |
| 02:20.20 | Debird | bob2: i was doing my best to show the variety of ways the word can be used to excess |
| 02:20.21 | ke6isf | PandaKun: OK, what you said there makes sense, and yet doesn't. Why do you want to change the date?! |
| 02:20.24 | PandaKun | great. |
| 02:20.29 | PandaKun | i just said i read man date |
| 02:20.32 | abrotman | !tell PandaKun about ntp |
| 02:20.35 | garfoundit | anyways im fucked |
| 02:20.35 | justin | someone who is running "date 0829" didn't read the man page |
| 02:20.37 | dvs | PandaKun: You are using the date command, right? |
| 02:20.41 | bob2 | PandaKun: then use the -s option. what part is confusing you? |
| 02:20.43 | garfoundit | i guess ill be fucked somewhere else |
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| 02:21.00 | Wuiqed | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Screenshot-6.png <--- where can I find applications like the panel to the right with the system info? |
| 02:21.06 | abrotman | you could ask the bsd channel how to make thier bootloader boot debian |
| 02:21.11 | bob2 | PandaKun: your guess at the format was wrong, but the manpage shows how. |
| 02:21.16 | ke6isf | PandaKun: That said, 'invalid date' means exactly what it says. It needs a different format. |
| 02:21.18 | garfoundit | omfg i would leavebut my mouse isnt working! |
| 02:21.21 | garfoundit | god dammit |
| 02:21.30 | ke6isf | garfoundit: /part |
| 02:21.31 | bob2 | PandaKun: simplest is to run 'date', cut and paste the output and modify it to suit |
| 02:21.32 | SerajewelKS | garfoundit, alt+f4 |
| 02:21.33 | Debird | don't blame Him |
| 02:21.44 | ke6isf | garfoundit: /quit |
| 02:21.59 | garfoundit | ps2 mouse cant be hotplugged can it? |
| 02:22.09 | Gnea | who needs mice when you can have a cat? |
| 02:22.09 | bob2 | Wuiqed: ask whoever uploaded it |
| 02:22.09 | SerajewelKS | garfoundit, depends on the motherboard |
| 02:22.12 | garfoundit | wait NVM it popped back in |
| 02:22.13 | bob2 | garfoundit: not without risking physical damage to your motherboard |
| 02:22.15 | bloom | Wuiqed: I think gkrellm is one |
| 02:22.26 | SerajewelKS | bob2, wtf |
| 02:22.31 | Gnea | garfoundit: of course it can |
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| 02:22.39 | garfoundit | well then i think some KMV switchers break mobos |
| 02:22.39 | solemnwarning | hi all |
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| 02:22.52 | Gnea | garfoundit: belkin perhaps |
| 02:22.53 | bloom | Wuiqed: but the one in the screen shot was something else whose name I don't recall at the moment |
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| 02:23.01 | Debird | garfoundit: i think there is a bios setting for that on some mobos |
| 02:23.15 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: come and see my p3-450 with no working ps/2 port |
| 02:23.20 | garfoundit | owell just an old router box anyways |
| 02:23.21 | garfoundit | bye |
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| 02:23.44 | SerajewelKS | bob2, i daresay you're the only one who's had that happen |
| 02:23.58 | solemnwarning | in fc /dev/sd* only exists if there is a device for it, then is created when i connect a usb driver but in deb it isnt like this |
| 02:24.04 | solemnwarning | how can i set that up? |
| 02:24.20 | Gnea | solemnwarning: install udev |
| 02:24.26 | bob2 | and use a 2.6 kernel |
| 02:24.27 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: ok |
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| 02:24.35 | solemnwarning | what does deb use for /dev? |
| 02:24.39 | solemnwarning | i use 2.6 btw |
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| 02:24.51 | ke6isf | solemnwarning: Um.. /dev, why? |
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| 02:24.59 | solemnwarning | <_< |
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| 02:25.09 | solemnwarning | what does it use in place of udev? |
| 02:26.03 | solemnwarning | will apt-get install udev be all i have to do? |
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| 02:26.18 | ke6isf | !tell solemnwarning -about udev |
| 02:26.21 | ke6isf | !tell solemnwarning -about devfs |
| 02:26.40 | bob2 | if you install udev, it uses udev |
| 02:26.46 | bob2 | if not, it uses static /dev |
| 02:27.02 | solemnwarning | k |
| 02:27.08 | solemnwarning | im guessing i need to reboot? |
| 02:27.17 | bloom | Wuiqed: but the one in the screen shot is gdesklets. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Screenshot-6.png |
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| 02:28.10 | abrotman | bloom: ? |
| 02:28.16 | plb | hm whats the difference between kernel image and linux image packages? |
| 02:28.23 | dvs | plb: nothing |
| 02:28.25 | abrotman | plb: new name .. same contents |
| 02:28.30 | plb | ah |
| 02:28.33 | plb | ok |
| 02:28.36 | dvs | abrotman: Great new taste? |
| 02:28.40 | bloom | abrotman: huh? |
| 02:28.44 | abrotman | dvs: knowing the devs .. no |
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| 02:28.48 | dvs | ha |
| 02:28.53 | abrotman | bloom: you just pasted a url .. for who? |
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| 02:29.16 | jonkri | why does only _some_ of the changes/tries that i put in my exim4.config.template make it to my config.autogenerated? isn't debian supposed to take everything everytime and replace dpkg specific stuff? |
| 02:29.25 | bob2 | no |
| 02:29.28 | bloom | abrotman: for Wuiqed, who pasted the url for the image, asking what the program was |
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| 02:29.39 | SerajewelKS | i got a blootbot problem... is there ANYONE here who knows anything about blootbot, or are you all asleep? |
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| 02:29.56 | bloom | !ask |
| 02:29.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 02:30.16 | SerajewelKS | bloom, i already asked. stfu. |
| 02:30.18 | concept10 | this might be a crazy question, but is there a way to play a DVD on my server and be able to stream it and watch it with VLC on my desktop? |
| 02:30.22 | abrotman | bloom: but he wasn't in this channel |
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| 02:30.33 | bloom | SerajewelKS: sorry |
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| 02:30.52 | abrotman | dpkg: blootbot |
| 02:30.53 | dpkg | hmm... blootbot is a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 02:30.59 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: dpkg knows about blootbot! :) |
| 02:31.01 | bloom | SerajewelKS: I generally ask the same question again, rather than just referring back to the question that I already asked. |
| 02:31.08 | aurum | Does anybody know any reason why a Debian system would ping all hosts on a local subnet every 80 minutes? |
| 02:31.13 | SerajewelKS | bloom, then you'd have done !repeat |
| 02:31.18 | abrotman | aurum: what services? |
| 02:31.19 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, dpkg IS blootbot... |
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| 02:31.29 | bloom | !repeat |
| 02:31.29 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:31.29 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: your sense of humor is broken |
| 02:31.32 | aurum | Just a general ICMP ping? |
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| 02:31.42 | ke6isf | !tell bloom -about msg the bot |
| 02:31.49 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, sorry... blootbot is making me frustrated |
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| 02:32.03 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i've heard that about them |
| 02:32.08 | abrotman | !kurumin |
| 02:32.08 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 02:32.17 | aurum | I have snort on another machine catching it. |
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| 02:32.36 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, i'm trying to add a cmd: factoid... it adds fine but for the life of me i can't figure out why it won't do what i expect |
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| 02:32.39 | PandaKun | how do i change the date to august 31? |
| 02:32.46 | PandaKun | date 0831? |
| 02:32.51 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, you any good with blootbot cmd:'s ? |
| 02:32.51 | dondelelcaro | !tell PandaKun about set the time |
| 02:32.52 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: how so? |
| 02:32.57 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: decent enough .. |
| 02:32.58 | PandaKun | tried --set |
| 02:33.00 | Gnea | PandaKun: wait a couple days |
| 02:33.01 | bloom | PandaKun: go root then use date -s |
| 02:33.07 | PandaKun | it says invalid date |
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| 02:33.13 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: then specify the date properly; it's in the exact same format as date; outputs. |
| 02:33.17 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, say i do something like: cmd: foobar (.*?) (.*?) is ($1,$2) <reply> $1 foobar $2 |
| 02:33.21 | PandaKun | date -s 0831 |
| 02:33.21 | PandaKun | Sun Aug 28 08:31:00 EST 2005 |
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| 02:33.26 | bob2 | PandaKun: dude, stop it |
| 02:33.31 | PandaKun | dude your not help./ |
| 02:33.33 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, when i do !foobar 1 2 my bot says it has no idea what i'm talking about |
| 02:33.33 | PandaKun | *no |
| 02:33.37 | bob2 | PandaKun: run "date". cut and paste it's output. modify it and run -s on it. |
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| 02:33.39 | dvs | see ya |
| 02:33.51 | alvanson_ | oh boo, my ghost is still about |
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| 02:33.54 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: afaik .. bot: mycommand $1 $2 is <reply>$1 blah $2 |
| 02:33.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, but if i ask it for "cmd: foobar (.*?) (.*?)" it gives me back "($1,$2) <reply> $1 foobar $2" |
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| 02:34.00 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.05 | alvanson_ | thank you |
| 02:34.07 | bloom | PandaKun: date -s "Aug 31" |
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| 02:34.26 | bloom | (oh, and be sure to fix the time. you know how to set that now) |
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| 02:34.55 | pentium451 | is there an official way to remove a source package? or just usr 'rm' |
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| 02:34.59 | trey | bloom: worth directing him at ntp-client? |
| 02:35.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, that doesn't work |
| 02:35.07 | bob2 | pentium451: it's just a directory, so rm |
| 02:35.08 | dvs | pentium451: dpkg -P <package-name> |
| 02:35.18 | dvs | oh a source package |
| 02:35.20 | pentium451 | thanks |
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| 02:35.37 | trey | pentium451: what bob2 said... or make uninstall |
| 02:35.43 | bloom | trey: I would, but today's not Aug 31 |
| 02:35.58 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that's how all the bots i know of work |
| 02:36.17 | abrotman | dpkg: SerajewelKSCMD $1 is <action>seras $1 |
| 02:36.17 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 02:36.26 | abrotman | dpkg: SerajewelKSCMD SerajewelKS |
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| 02:36.29 | abrotman | see |
| 02:36.41 | abrotman | dpkg: forget cmd: SerajewelKSCMD (.*?) |
| 02:36.41 | dpkg | i forgot CMD: serajewelkscmd (.*?), abrotman |
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| 02:36.44 | alvanson | okay... |
| 02:36.52 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
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| 02:37.13 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, is dpkg running an old version of blootbot or something? |
| 02:37.29 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: dunno |
| 02:37.34 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: not my bot |
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| 02:38.08 | abrotman | dpkg: version |
| 02:38.08 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:38.11 | abrotman | bah |
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| 02:38.33 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, for me that responds only if i do "!command $1 $2" |
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| 02:38.55 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, if i use anything but "$1 $2" it fails |
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| 02:39.10 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: hrm .. ok |
| 02:39.14 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, a listkeys shows that it's actually storing it as "mycommand $1 $2" not the cmd: crap |
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| 02:39.33 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: what is the exact command that you're trying to create? |
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| 02:39.55 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, to test i'm trying to replicate the 'fgi' command that dpkg has |
| 02:40.03 | Gnea | PandaKun: date -s 20050831 |
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| 02:41.00 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: the fgi command dpkg has isn't a cmd |
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| 02:41.13 | abrotman | oh .. i see it |
| 02:41.14 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, factoid, whatever |
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| 02:41.27 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: no . i see it |
| 02:41.39 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: cmd: eat (.*?) with (.*?) is ($1,$2): <action> eats $1 with a side of $2 |
| 02:41.39 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, ok |
| 02:41.40 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
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| 02:41.50 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: eat bread with butter |
| 02:42.03 | Gnea | heh |
| 02:42.14 | dvs | heart attack! |
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| 02:42.18 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, my bot hates that one too |
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| 02:42.24 | abrotman | !eat Gnea with ketchup |
| 02:42.26 | SerajewelKS | is there a config option for this or something |
| 02:42.31 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: oh, *your* bot. |
| 02:42.33 | Gnea | !eat tuna with a side of bread |
| 02:42.37 | idealbsd | how to auto purge packages that removed during apt-get dist-upgrade, not to run dpkg -P by hand |
| 02:42.43 | Gnea | oops |
| 02:42.50 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, yes... installed from the blootbot debian package |
| 02:42.53 | abrotman | idealbsd: you can do some magic |
| 02:43.08 | abrotman | idealbsd: but afaik .. you can't have apt-get do it while dist-upgrading |
| 02:43.19 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: yeah, good luck getting that to work. Mine is quite mangled and I haven't had time to really send the code upstream or anything |
| 02:43.31 | idealbsd | abrotman, thanks |
| 02:43.31 | xim | what is +E ? |
| 02:43.33 | travisat | !eat himself with much contempt |
| 02:43.33 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, "mine" referring to dpkg? |
| 02:43.38 | dondelelcaro | travisat: /topic |
| 02:43.39 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 02:43.42 | Gnea | trey: /topic |
| 02:43.44 | abrotman | idealbsd: a little egrep and awk will set you right :) |
| 02:43.44 | trey | xim: only registered users can message you |
| 02:43.50 | xim | thanks |
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| 02:44.03 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, you wouldn't have time to help me figure this out on a different IRC server, would you? |
| 02:44.07 | dondelelcaro | travisat: err, meant that to go to trey of course |
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| 02:44.14 | Gnea | trey: just /mode +E that takes care of it |
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| 02:44.22 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: just get the code that dpkg is using from cvs. rzlab.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi |
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| 02:44.26 | Rucas | is +E the equivalent of +g on this net? |
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| 02:44.40 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, well... from a grep of the sources i have, it appears to support cmd: stuff |
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| 02:44.43 | deltron | what's +g do? |
| 02:44.46 | abrotman | wtf is +g ? |
| 02:44.46 | Gnea | Rucas: what uses +g again? |
| 02:44.47 | dondelelcaro | Rucas: I've no clue what +g is, since it depends on which network you're on |
| 02:44.49 | trey | Gnea: yeah... I need to apply that automagically somehow... not too familier with irssi config file though :( |
| 02:44.51 | dondelelcaro | !tell Rucas -about fn modes |
| 02:44.54 | deltron | lol |
| 02:44.56 | rue_mohr | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 02:44.57 | rue_mohr | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 02:45.03 | rue_mohr | I see alot about this, accept the solution |
| 02:45.04 | Rucas | E :is unknown mode char to me :( |
| 02:45.16 | dondelelcaro | Rucas: /quote mode Rucas +E |
| 02:45.21 | Gnea | trey: i'm not sure but it might still read ~/.ircrc |
| 02:45.31 | Rucas | there we go |
| 02:45.31 | Gnea | i don't use irssi |
| 02:45.32 | Rucas | thanks |
| 02:45.35 | lakcaj | Hey, how can I remove all packages that were installed from a specific repository? |
| 02:45.36 | rue_mohr | can anyone help me? |
| 02:45.55 | dondelelcaro | lakcaj: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 02:46.03 | Gnea | rue_mohr: you don't want to remove it. |
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| 02:46.12 | travisat | lakcaj: manually |
| 02:46.25 | trey | Gnea: should be configurable via ~/.irssi/config ... just don't know how :( |
| 02:46.27 | idealbsd | abrotman, i use dpkg -l | grep "rc " but this is more than what i wanted :) |
| 02:46.31 | rue_mohr | Gnea I just wanna install minicom |
| 02:46.31 | dondelelcaro | rue_mohr: you can use the force-loopbreak option for the time being, since e2fsprogs isn't super essential |
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| 02:46.41 | lakcaj | dondelelcaro, I tried all day to get python-ming to work, from compiling to installing from a number of repos. I would like to remove all packages that may have been fetched today that aren't from my main mirror. |
| 02:46.47 | rue_mohr | I tried, I get.. |
| 02:46.55 | Gnea | trey: edit it? |
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| 02:46.59 | rue_mohr | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 80588 package `kisshe-classpath': |
| 02:46.59 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.59 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.59 | rue_mohr | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
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| 02:47.07 | abrotman | idealbsd: huh? |
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| 02:47.10 | trey | Gnea: if only it were that easy ;) |
| 02:47.15 | abrotman | idealbsd: you don't want to remove those ? |
| 02:47.17 | Gnea | heh |
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| 02:47.20 | lakcaj | travisat, manually is fine... but how to get started? |
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| 02:47.29 | Gnea | trey: see if it will source .ircrc if it exists |
| 02:47.30 | rue_mohr | ok too much, ok |
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| 02:47.42 | trey | Gnea: with there was a section 'join commands' but I've never found it :( |
| 02:47.46 | dondelelcaro | lakcaj: best bet is to look at /var/log/dpkg and remove things that were recently made status installed |
| 02:47.49 | Xeroxer | I just installed debian stable and checked the documentation on debian.org for compiling a new kernel. It says I should download the package kernel-source-2.6.11 (or newer) to go on. I can only find kernel-source-2.6.8-2. Is this the newest kernel source in stable? |
| 02:47.51 | rue_mohr | so? more suggestions? |
| 02:47.52 | trey | Gnea: doesn't exist :( |
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| 02:47.54 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, is it just me or is there pretty much no documentation for blootbot? |
| 02:48.03 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: it's the code, bayebee |
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| 02:48.07 | dvs | Xeroxer: Try linux-source |
| 02:48.08 | Gnea | trey: right - make it exist and see if it loads it |
| 02:48.38 | trey | Gnea: s/with/wish/ |
| 02:48.38 | SimonRaven | trey: channels = ( |
| 02:48.38 | SimonRaven | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.38 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: but yes, that's pretty much the way it is |
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| 02:48.38 | Gnea | trey: .ircrc has been a console standard for years |
| 02:48.38 | SimonRaven | ); |
| 02:48.38 | bloom | dvs, Xeroxer: that change didn't happen until after sarge was released |
| 02:48.38 | dvs | Xeroxer: Yeah 2.6.8 is the latest in stable |
| 02:48.40 | SimonRaven | ~/.irssi/config |
| 02:48.43 | Xeroxer | dvs: ok. thanks |
| 02:48.50 | lakcaj | dondelelcaro, I have no /var/log/dpkg |
| 02:48.51 | rue_mohr | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 80588 package `kisshe-classpath': |
| 02:48.52 | trey | SimonRaven: connection commands I mean... like auto identify... and mode changes |
| 02:48.58 | travisat | lakcaj: huh? unless you are crazy, you should only be trying this if you are attempting to remove all files from a source like marillat, if you are attempting to downgrade you shouldn't of upgaded |
| 02:49.00 | dvs | Xeroxer: No prob. |
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| 02:49.01 | idealbsd | abrotman, like i don't want to remove sysv-rc, which is selected also |
| 02:49.01 | lilo | this is a test message only, ##do_not_join_thuenhtaueoa |
| 02:49.04 | Gnea | SimonRaven: aliases and so forth |
| 02:49.05 | rue_mohr | how do I get line 80588 in vi? |
| 02:49.15 | genioreal | i cant make a: make cert what do i need to apt-get install? |
| 02:49.20 | dondelelcaro | lilo: ? |
| 02:49.25 | abrotman | idealbsd: i said egrep ... dpkg -l | egrep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' |
| 02:49.26 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, was perusing the sources and found this line around the code that deals with "cmd:" : if (&IsChanConf("factoidArguments")) { |
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| 02:49.30 | lilo | dondelelcaro: someone suggested some automation |
| 02:49.32 | Gnea | rue_mohr: :80588<enter> |
| 02:49.34 | lilo | this is a test message only, ##do_not_join_thuenhtaueoa |
| 02:49.55 | dondelelcaro | lilo: automation of the kline process? |
| 02:50.04 | SimonRaven | chatnets = ( freenode = { type = "IRC"; autosendcmd = "/^msg nickserv ident SOMEPASSWD;wait -freenode 2000"; etc; }; ); |
| 02:50.04 | travisat | lakcaj: that is to say you know what packages you are removing |
| 02:50.07 | bob2 | lilo: automating based on /msg payloads seems reasonable? |
| 02:50.10 | genioreal | what do i need to do a : make cert |
| 02:50.10 | lilo | dondelelcaro: no, someone suggested there were bots paying attention to channel names |
| 02:50.11 | genioreal | ? |
| 02:50.18 | lakcaj | travisat, I'm not trying to downgrade, I'm trying to remove all the deps from the packages I installed from these wacko repos that were pulled in when I installed ming. I don't know which deps came from them and which came from my main mirror |
| 02:50.23 | SimonRaven | trey: ^^^^ |
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| 02:50.30 | trey | SimonRaven: thanks :) |
| 02:50.47 | Gnea | lilo: just wait'll the worms start falling from the sky ;) |
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| 02:50.51 | bloom | idealbsd: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:50.53 | steve_ | !madwifi |
| 02:50.53 | dpkg | from memory, madwifi is http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (sarge/sid only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
| 02:50.55 | SimonRaven | aliases = ( ); it's all in there, just need to add stuff |
| 02:50.59 | dondelelcaro | lakcaj: the other possibility is /var/log/aptitude if you were using that; if not, your other choice is to use apt-cache policy foopkg; to see from which mirror it was installed |
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| 02:51.12 | travisat | lakcaj: I'd just leave them unless they are affecting updating packages from the main repo |
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| 02:51.35 | travisat | lakcaj: just listen to dondelelcaro |
| 02:51.41 | travisat | I am a moron |
| 02:51.53 | dondelelcaro | (there are also some other tricks using grep-available and such, but it's a bit more complicated than it's worth) |
| 02:52.11 | abrotman | idealbsd: is that better? |
| 02:52.13 | idealbsd | abrotman, thanks a lot, it's what i wanted! |
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| 02:52.22 | idealbsd | bloom, purge packages removed by apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:52.22 | SimonRaven | woohoo * debian/sysdeps/powerpc.mk: Enable PowerPC NPTL |
| 02:52.27 | rue_mohr | can I get the /var/lib/dpkg/available file rebuilt? |
| 02:52.32 | abrotman | idealbsd: you thought i would lie? :) |
| 02:52.37 | dondelelcaro | !available |
| 02:52.38 | dpkg | from memory, available is run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. |
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| 02:52.39 | lakcaj | dondelelcaro, ok, I'm going to use dpkg --get-selections and pipe that to apt-cache policy and search for mirrors that I don't want... thanks for your help |
| 02:52.41 | idealbsd | abrotman, it works! :) |
| 02:52.48 | dondelelcaro | lakcaj: np |
| 02:52.50 | abrotman | idealbsd: yes it does :) |
| 02:52.57 | bloom | idealbsd: well, it sounds like they told you the same formula that I use. |
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| 02:53.18 | abrotman | idealbsd: you also might be interested in deborphan |
| 02:53.24 | rue_mohr | ok, screw apt, I'm installing packages manually using dpkg |
| 02:53.32 | idealbsd | abrotman, bloom, :) |
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| 02:53.50 | dondelelcaro | rue_mohr: it's pretty simple, just run dselect update; like dpkg told you. |
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| 02:53.57 | trey | abrotman: debfoster :) (if nothing depends on the lib, it will ask you about removing it...) |
| 02:54.10 | rue_mohr | too much stuff going by didn't cath it the first time |
| 02:54.17 | trey | abrotman: very nice for maintaining package sets if you install and remove things a lot :) |
| 02:54.30 | abrotman | trey: different purposes .. i prefer deborphan |
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| 02:54.33 | SimonRaven | !debfoster |
| 02:54.33 | dpkg | well, debfoster is a package that detects "orphaned" dependencies and cleans them up. |
| 02:54.38 | bloom | speaking of deborphan and debfoster, is there any way to switch to aptitude by importing the list of debfoster keepers so taht it marks all of those as manually installed? |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | which kind of lies |
| 02:54.41 | SimonRaven | !deborphan |
| 02:54.42 | dpkg | hmm... deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge'...and if you run that command as root without first making sure deborphan is installed, you will get a nasty surprise. |
| 02:54.56 | trey | abrotman: deborphan just tells you about what isn't needed... debfoster actually lets you do something about it... |
| 02:55.17 | abrotman | trey: deborphan | xargs apt-get -y --purge remove .. yay .. all gone |
| 02:55.17 | idealbsd | abrotman, i use deborphan after dpkg -l | egrep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg -P, deborphan | xargs dpkg -P |
| 02:55.30 | steve_ | hey- so i follow'ed the bots instructions to install madwifi- but ath0 doesnt show up!?! |
| 02:55.36 | LiNuX_SP4 | o_O |
| 02:55.42 | rue_mohr | eth0? |
| 02:55.47 | bloom | abrotman: you usually need to perform that several times until deborphan shows no results |
| 02:55.55 | steve_ | no- ath0 |
| 02:55.58 | SimonRaven | /nick Linux_SP2.6 |
| 02:55.59 | abrotman | bloom: i know ... what's your point ? |
| 02:56.04 | trey | SimonRaven: that description isn't really correct... it detects why packages are installed... and keeps track of highest depends... |
| 02:56.14 | abrotman | bloom: my systems are usually pretty clean |
| 02:56.15 | SimonRaven | i'm just the messenger |
| 02:56.21 | steve_ | how do i use m-a to remove stuff |
| 02:56.29 | steve_ | i get this: |
| 02:56.30 | abrotman | the debfoster factoid is kind of wrong |
| 02:56.37 | steve_ | Target package file /usr/src/madwifi-modules-2.6.8-2-686_20041023-1_i386.deb |
| 02:56.38 | steve_ | already exists, not rebuilding! |
| 02:56.42 | SimonRaven | steve_: module-assistant isn't package management |
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| 02:56.48 | travisat | steve_: I find it is easiest to have the source for your kernel, then follow the instruction on the madwifi page to install by cvs |
| 02:56.56 | trey | abrotman: only issue with that... java comes up as an orphaned lib :/ |
| 02:56.57 | bloom | steve: remove it with rm |
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| 02:57.06 | zj03 | hi everyone is there any tool in debian for configuring X? |
| 02:57.06 | abrotman | trey: not on my system it doesn't |
| 02:57.08 | trey | abrotman: maybe you don't use java... but I do... wouldn't be very nice... |
| 02:57.10 | SimonRaven | fucking bashisms |
| 02:57.17 | abrotman | trey: you mean deborphan -a ? |
| 02:57.22 | abrotman | because java isan't a library |
| 02:57.25 | trey | abrotman: nope... |
| 02:57.36 | bloom | trey: I don't use -a, but I do use some of the --guess options |
| 02:57.36 | steve_ | bloom m-a -rm madwifi |
| 02:57.37 | travisat | zj03: yes and it is called vim |
| 02:57.39 | abrotman | trey: i have java installed .. and i have no java library that shows up in deborphan |
| 02:57.44 | trey | abrotman: it comes up as one though... thats why I stopped using deborphan |
| 02:57.49 | dondelelcaro | zj03: you can also just use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:57.51 | trey | bloom: no args were used |
| 02:58.00 | travisat | thats too easy |
| 02:58.03 | steve_ | tried both- both didn't work |
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| 02:58.04 | abrotman | trey: i think you're fibbing .. or installed java in some weird way .. i has never tried to remove my java |
| 02:58.05 | zj03 | thx |
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| 02:58.06 | bloom | zj03: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 02:58.30 | trey | abrotman: I usually use the .bin file from sun... |
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| 02:58.44 | bloom | zj03: if that doesn't work, then you may need to look at the xorg faq somewhere in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 02:58.44 | travisat | steve_: you do have wireless-tools installed? |
| 02:58.47 | abrotman | trey: you didn't use java-package ? |
| 02:59.01 | trey | abrotman: nope... its easier to do it manually imo :/ |
| 02:59.03 | bloom | zj03: I've also had good luck with X -configure |
| 02:59.07 | abrotman | trey: do you have the sdk or jre ? |
| 02:59.23 | trey | abrotman: jre |
| 02:59.34 | abrotman | trey: then it definitely doesn't show up .. you must be referring to something else .. because if you don't install it via dpkg .. there's no way it will show up in deborphan |
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| 03:00.00 | RvGaTe | i know it doesn't belong here, but i just need to share: http://www.websitesthatsuck.com/biggest-web-design-mistakes-in-2004.html <- if you read that, you know that its true... |
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| 03:00.04 | trey | abrotman: idk then... it did though... |
| 03:00.07 | abrotman | trey: run it now and tell me the name of the package |
| 03:00.25 | trey | abrotman: no java installed... waiting on kde to get into sid propper... |
| 03:00.27 | Seb | hw do I find all '\0' bytes in a file ? |
| 03:00.31 | trey | abrotman: ask me in a few day |
| 03:00.32 | trey | s |
| 03:00.36 | CtrlPhreke | can someone tell me why I can't play dvd's??? I keep getting dvdreadblocks failed with ogle... .<startin' to think about puttin' winxp back on it> :) |
| 03:00.40 | bloom | speaking of deborphan and debfoster, is there any way to switch to aptitude by importing the list of debfoster keepers so taht it marks all of those as manually installed? |
| 03:00.41 | abrotman | trey: oh ok |
| 03:00.48 | genioreal | what on fuck do i need to make a fucking: make cert ? |
| 03:01.03 | Seb | CtrlPhreke: some drives don't work with libdvdreadcss or something |
| 03:01.10 | trey | genioreal: not exactly the most ideal way to ask a question |
| 03:01.12 | bob2 | genioreal: jesus, stop it |
| 03:01.19 | bob2 | genioreal: your question is both abusive and stupid |
| 03:01.27 | genioreal | i ask like 10 times |
| 03:01.31 | bob2 | genioreal: if you want help, be polite and actually include enough information to be answerable |
| 03:01.34 | abrotman | make-ssl-cert iirc |
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| 03:01.48 | bob2 | genioreal: and everyone politely ignored it, hoping you'd take the hint and ask a more useful one |
| 03:01.49 | trey | genioreal: logic would tell you no one knows... try asking a better question, or shut up |
| 03:01.56 | CtrlPhreke | so that's it... my drive is bad??? |
| 03:02.03 | genioreal | ns:/usr/src/qmail/qmail-1.03# apt-cache search make-ssl-cert |
| 03:02.03 | genioreal | ns:/usr/src/qmail/qmail-1.03# |
| 03:02.09 | bob2 | haha qmail |
| 03:02.09 | abrotman | duh |
| 03:02.13 | abrotman | apt-file |
| 03:02.20 | genioreal | im installing the source |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | and stopusing qmail .. it makes baby jesus cry |
| 03:02.24 | trey | wow @ a porn bot registering |
| 03:02.26 | bob2 | it's in the ssl-cert package |
| 03:02.39 | abrotman | genioreal: apt-file search .. much better |
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| 03:02.57 | genioreal | o already have ssl-cert |
| 03:03.04 | bob2 | then run make-ssl-cert |
| 03:03.11 | abrotman | as root iirc ... |
| 03:03.20 | bob2 | if you're actually asking why qmail doesn't have a "cert" target, you will be mocked |
| 03:03.21 | Gnea | trey: where? |
| 03:03.39 | travisat | CtrlPhreke: it might not be, have you used the css from marillat? |
| 03:03.40 | trey | bob2: no more Ubuntu ties? |
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| 03:03.51 | bob2 | trey: /whois bob2 |
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| 03:04.01 | trey | Gnea: I closed the 'window'... but I'm +E at the moment, and it got through... |
| 03:04.08 | abrotman | indeed .. that's a good question .. who is bob2 ... i suspect he was in a band for many years |
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| 03:04.27 | travisat | but the real question is who is bob1 |
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| 03:04.28 | trey | bob2: says you're only in here... |
| 03:04.37 | Gnea | and is there a bob3 |
| 03:04.41 | bob2 | there's a dan2 |
| 03:04.46 | bob2 | which is creepier |
| 03:04.47 | Gnea | heh |
| 03:04.48 | abrotman | and beta3 |
| 03:04.54 | CtrlPhreke | I installed libdvdcss0 and libdvdcss2 |
| 03:05.06 | abrotman | but dan2 is beta3 |
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| 03:05.16 | abrotman | fios bastard! |
| 03:05.18 | abrotman | sorry |
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| 03:05.28 | abrotman | hrm .. ok |
| 03:05.43 | bob2 | CtrlPhreke: does xine work? |
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| 03:06.05 | CtrlPhreke | don't know bob2... haven't tried it... |
| 03:06.10 | CtrlPhreke | don't think I have it installed |
| 03:06.16 | travisat | damn battery. |
| 03:06.50 | abrotman | trey: ask Gnea quickly before he wanders off |
| 03:06.53 | CtrlPhreke | nope no xine... |
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| 03:07.07 | trey | Gnea: you have e17 installed? |
| 03:07.56 | Gnea | trey: heh yeah |
| 03:08.16 | trey | Gnea: tried the soulmachine repo... no go :( (for some reason, the window manager itself seems broken... as does the desktop lib) |
| 03:08.20 | Gnea | trey: i wrote a script last week that installs the latest cvs too (doesn't make .debs yet tho). want it? |
| 03:08.35 | Gnea | trey: which flavor are you on? sarge/etch/sid? |
| 03:08.40 | trey | Gnea: sure... you have it on a site? |
| 03:08.42 | trey | sid |
| 03:08.44 | Gnea | trey: this transcends the soulmachine repo |
| 03:08.47 | Gnea | perfect. |
| 03:09.00 | trey | Gnea: :) |
| 03:09.02 | Gnea | http://gnea.net/debian_e17_install2cvs.sh |
| 03:09.11 | Gnea | have fun :) |
| 03:09.16 | trey | Gnea: thanks a lot :) |
| 03:09.20 | Gnea | just run that as root |
| 03:09.24 | CtrlPhreke | alright, to get xine where do I go... can't find it on the packages website... |
| 03:09.29 | Gnea | i promise it will not install a backdoor |
| 03:09.31 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:09.36 | SimonRaven | trey: it's very graphics intensive, and some of the apps aren't very stable, but it runs ok, and is quick on even an older nvidia card (16 MB VRAM), but is a little sparse on functionality. i was impressed favourably otherwise |
| 03:09.54 | Gnea | trey: let me know of ANY problems |
| 03:10.05 | Gnea | trey: it's still very experimental at this point |
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| 03:10.14 | Gnea | trey: but i've tested it on 4 machines |
| 03:10.29 | trey | Gnea: will do... thanks a lot :) |
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| 03:10.48 | interalia | hmm how do a package's md5sums (say, binutils) end up in /var/lib/dpkg/info/binutils.md5sums ? are they in the deb? I can't see them there after unpacking it using ar + tar |
| 03:11.06 | trey | SimonRaven: it wouldn't be enlightenment if it weren't graphics intensive... |
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| 03:12.45 | SimonRaven | interalia: they're in control.tar.gz |
| 03:13.00 | SimonRaven | (yes in the .deb) |
| 03:13.15 | Gnea | SimonRaven: when's the last time you ran it? |
| 03:13.19 | Gnea | SimonRaven: e17, that is |
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| 03:13.38 | SimonRaven | ~1.5-2 months ago |
| 03:13.47 | Gnea | that's a *LONG* time |
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| 03:14.00 | SimonRaven | yeh i know, moving target ;) |
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| 03:14.04 | Gnea | heeh :) |
| 03:14.20 | phyrster | how to make tar cvf ONLY works on file dot files? |
| 03:14.24 | interalia | SimonRaven: hmm I can't see them for a binutils deb. yet there's a /var/lib/dpkg/info/binutils.md5sums |
| 03:14.32 | Gnea | yeah, you can change res now via the menu if it's x.org |
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| 03:14.46 | SimonRaven | it'll be called md5sums, not binutils.* |
| 03:14.47 | Gnea | edit the menus, toolbars, change the background |
| 03:14.56 | SimonRaven | dpkg renames the files |
| 03:15.12 | Gnea | there's a new util out now that generates menu items from kde and gnome |
| 03:15.17 | Seb | is there a way to tell make_kpkg to compile my kernel with both my processors ? It's using only one, and I'm sure the linux kernel can be compiled in parallel to a certain degree, right ? |
| 03:15.40 | Gnea | it just got 3 new themes in the past week |
| 03:15.53 | interalia | SimonRaven: yeah that I can believe, but there's nothing even remotely md5sum related in the control tarball. just postinst/postrm/shlibs/control |
| 03:15.55 | SimonRaven | -j 2... i think there is, can't remember what, man make-kpkg |
| 03:16.00 | abrotman | Seb: man make-kpkg ... it tells you about a file in /etc .. read the man page for that .. it tells you how .. CONCURRENCY_LEVEL .. but i don't rmember the name of the file |
| 03:16.12 | Seb | abrotman: cool, good enough :) |
| 03:16.16 | Seb | SimonRaven: thx |
| 03:16.18 | phyrster | right now I use tar cvf mytar.tar .* to backup all dot files, but it all files under the directories are tarred. |
| 03:16.18 | phyrster | it seems that .* does not work for tar command |
| 03:16.33 | SimonRaven | kernel-pkg.conf IIRC |
| 03:16.41 | abrotman | Seb: man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 03:17.08 | SimonRaven | Gnea: neat |
| 03:17.20 | Gnea | SimonRaven: the menu script actually works quite well too. just need to modify it to debian standards :) |
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| 03:17.29 | SimonRaven | ok |
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| 03:19.07 | Seb | abrotman: yep, found it. Thx again. |
| 03:19.25 | abrotman | Seb: and normally #CPUs + 1 |
| 03:19.42 | Seb | abrotman: oh really ? |
| 03:20.12 | ke6isf | New Orleans is now taking a bit of a beating now it seems. |
| 03:20.14 | abrotman | Seb: depends on what else you're doing with the system .. i did that because i would do other stuff while it was running and didn't want to overly tax the system |
| 03:20.19 | abrotman | !tell NeoFax about awau |
| 03:20.21 | abrotman | !tell NeoFax about away |
| 03:20.34 | Seb | abrotman: oh I see, nah I want to overtax it :D |
| 03:20.53 | abrotman | Seb: and don't EVER make -j with a kernel :) |
| 03:21.03 | Seb | abrotman: so you meant CONC_LEVEL = #CPUs - 1 then ? |
| 03:21.09 | abrotman | no .. +1 |
| 03:21.17 | abrotman | like if you have 2 .. make it 3 |
| 03:21.22 | Seb | abrotman: well if you wanna spare one cpu for other things ? |
| 03:21.24 | abrotman | if you have 4 .. make it 5 |
| 03:21.33 | abrotman | Seb: no .. it will still be responsive enough |
| 03:22.02 | Seb | abrotman: man make, /-j says it's then umber of jobs runned in parallel, so why do I need one more than my # of cpus (2 here) ? |
| 03:22.05 | abrotman | Seb: play with it .. i've done very high .. and your system becomes unusable |
| 03:22.19 | abrotman | Seb: it just seems to work better .. |
| 03:22.27 | Seb | oh I get it, you cna tell make to run 4 jobs in // even if you have 2 cpus |
| 03:22.31 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:22.38 | Seb | you're not actually *limited*, got it |
| 03:22.49 | abrotman | so if you run 3 .. it's usually ok .. if you have 2 .. and you set it to 30 .. you won't be able to do much else |
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| 03:23.12 | Seb | heh, k |
| 03:24.00 | abrotman | but mess with it a bit .. but don't go too high unless you want to punish the crap out of your machine |
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| 03:25.52 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What was that program that is used for viewing pictures? |
| 03:25.57 | abrotman | eog |
| 03:26.21 | Seb | hrm, so now kernel packages are all called linux-*-2.x.y-*, but still if you make-kpkg a linux-source-2.6.12, you get a kernel-image-2.6.12* |
| 03:27.11 | trey | TwistedEmotions: ImageMagick ... eog depends on half of gnome... |
| 03:27.51 | Seb | TwistedEmotions: you might like qiv or gqview |
| 03:27.54 | trey | Seb: afaik, Ubuntu packages are called linux-* ... are you using Ubuntu? |
| 03:28.00 | Seb | trey: nope |
| 03:28.15 | Seb | trey: but in debian, starting with 2.6.12, it;'s no longer kernel-* but linux-* |
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| 03:29.10 | kamaraju | I would like to know if they are any alternatives to sourceforge.net to maintain software projects? How does Alioth compare to sourceforge? |
| 03:29.11 | ahewitt | I have an apache2 server which is backended to LDAP using mod_cfg_ldap for building virtual host configs on the fly. I have now run into an issue where I need to have sub1.blah.com to be equal to sub1.fubar.com without putting sub1.fubar.com into the domains tree in LDAP...I do however have a seperate tree which has blah.com and alll of the domains that equal blah.com...does anyone know how I could go about making apache2 see these domain |
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| 03:30.40 | SimonRaven | Gnea: i fetched that script you have for e17 |
| 03:30.40 | lilldude | there is now new debian out? |
| 03:31.00 | SimonRaven | uh |
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| 03:31.43 | SimonRaven | ahewitt: i'd start with the module's docs |
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| 03:32.12 | TwistedEmotions | Errr.. tried qiv, eog... looking for something with a gallery feature... so I can view as thumbnails then click to open in detail? |
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| 03:32.37 | lilldude | jens died how he was debain worker |
| 03:32.45 | SimonRaven | gqview i think does that |
| 03:33.31 | TwistedEmotions | SimonRaven: ahhh.. that works ;) |
| 03:33.31 | TwistedEmotions | Thank you |
| 03:33.34 | trey | Seb: just realized that ... kernel-image-*-* depends linux-image-*-* ... makes sense with kfreebsd-source-5.3 being in the archive.. |
| 03:34.03 | trey | (although I don't see hurd-source-foo or netbsd-source-foo ... presumably they will also be added at some point though :) |
| 03:34.18 | trey | Will be pretty sweet... Debian is no longer necissarily Linux :) |
| 03:34.58 | Seb | trey: oh i see |
| 03:35.09 | trey | Only thing Debian definatly is now is GNU ... |
| 03:35.11 | Seb | trey: yeah, kick ass :) |
| 03:35.38 | ahewitt | SimonRaven: yeah I was looking for something outside of the module, because I know that the module can't do it |
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| 03:35.57 | ahewitt | SimonRaven: however I think I have worked out a solution anyways...I will test it first...cheers |
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| 03:36.20 | EdLin | trey: for a while not even that, only a couple of years ago did the *BSD Debians start to use glibc rather than their own libcs |
| 03:36.48 | EdLin | trey: they have a live Cd |
| 03:36.52 | EdLin | CD* |
| 03:37.03 | trey | EdLin: not true... there used to be 2 freebsd based projects... but kfreebsd and netbsd projects always used glibc etc... |
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| 03:38.00 | trey | EdLin: some guy decided he wanted to use FreeBSD based userland... so seperated from kFreeBSD... nothing ever came of it... (except maybe linux-base_debian perhaps... how related is that project?) |
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| 03:41.17 | trey | Hmm... wait... so when 3.2 (Etch) is released... will Debian be offering a choice of kernel during install? :P |
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| 03:41.39 | trey | (not that that will happen any time soon... just wondering if its the plan right now) |
| 03:41.42 | ke6isf | trey: ...um, there is a kernel choice offered at boot on install. |
| 03:41.48 | ke6isf | trey: This is true for Sarge. |
| 03:41.51 | phyrster | how to use ls to show all the dot files in a dir? |
| 03:41.52 | phyrster | I used ls .* , but all files are shown intead of the hidden files |
| 03:42.11 | trey | ke6isf: which kernels can you choose? different versions of Linux isn't really what I mean... |
| 03:42.12 | bob2 | phyrster: they shouldn't be |
| 03:42.26 | bob2 | trey: no other kernel is nearly as usable with debian |
| 03:42.28 | trey | phyrster: ls -a |
| 03:42.28 | longHair | phyrster: use ls -a |
| 03:42.41 | bob2 | "ls -d .*" wfm, even without -a |
| 03:42.53 | ke6isf | trey: On netinst/sarge, default is 2.4 for 386, doing 'linux26' at boot time will select the 2.6 kernel for 386. |
| 03:43.05 | trey | bob2: hurd was usable (not stable or fast, but usable) more than a year ago... |
| 03:43.09 | ke6isf | trey: At least, I think it's 'linux26'. |
| 03:43.11 | rking | i plugged in the USB link from my camera, and syslog announced its presence, as did lsusb, but i'm not sure how to get to it from here. do i mount some usb device? |
| 03:43.19 | ke6isf | Oh, you mean hurd. |
| 03:43.20 | ke6isf | Aha. |
| 03:43.21 | bob2 | trey: not as an installer |
| 03:43.21 | trey | ke6isf: yeah... not at all what I mean... |
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| 03:43.32 | bob2 | hurd has never had a workign installer, afaik |
| 03:43.34 | phyrster | bob2: I do ls .bash* and all the hidden files with starts with .bash* are shown |
| 03:43.39 | bob2 | rking: depends on the camera |
| 03:44.00 | ke6isf | trey: Well, I'm sure that if somebody packages a working hurd kernel, then it'll find its way into Sid sooner or later. =^_^= |
| 03:44.07 | rking | bob2: what hrmm... what sort of experiments should i run? |
| 03:44.09 | trey | bob2: Thats why I'm asking if its planned for Etch's release... surely if they are offical projects, user will have a choice to install off the bat? |
| 03:44.11 | phyrster | but ls .* is interpretered as 'ls ./*' |
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| 03:44.54 | trey | ke6isf: crosshurd. |
| 03:44.59 | bob2 | rking: looking it on the gphoto website is the first thing I'd try |
| 03:45.05 | rixth | Is there an easy way to change screen resolution without editing xorg.conf? |
| 03:45.22 | bob2 | trey: this discussion seems kinda silly until hurd is even close to being installable |
| 03:45.24 | rking | phyrster: what shell are you using? |
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| 03:45.29 | rking | bob2: ahh, sweet |
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| 03:45.41 | phyrster | rking: bash |
| 03:45.43 | ke6isf | !tell rixth -about drxx |
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| 03:46.06 | trey | bob2: define installable... crosshurd lets you debootstrap a hurd system... and boot it... |
| 03:46.10 | rixth | Without having to go through all the other config options |
| 03:46.35 | bob2 | trey: installable = being installable using an actual debian installer |
| 03:46.45 | trey | bob2: :) |
| 03:46.57 | ke6isf | rixth: drxx will just default to whatever's in your file. |
| 03:47.19 | ke6isf | rixth: So if you get to something you don't wanna change, just hit 'enter'. |
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| 03:48.28 | Fracture | is it possible to install debian on a remote machine using vnc and net boot ? |
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| 03:48.47 | rixth | ke6isf, thanks |
| 03:48.51 | rking | phyrster: i can't imagine that "ls .*" is being interpreted as "ls ./*", why do you think it is? |
| 03:49.23 | Seb | ok, I now run x.org, what sorta cool eye candy can I do with it ? :D |
| 03:49.51 | Roots | Seb: go find some pr0n. Tell us if it looks better. Thanks. |
| 03:49.51 | trey | Seb: very little enless you don't mind regular crashes |
| 03:50.12 | ke6isf | trey: Well, if you wanna bring the hurd kernel into Debian, go for it. |
| 03:50.13 | rking | Seb: i think this is the main trick: gvim /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/copyright |
| 03:50.39 | Seb | trey: heh. I was expecting to see an example of that true transparency stuff, what apps would take advantage of this ? |
| 03:50.46 | Seb | rking: true :) |
| 03:50.53 | trey | ke6isf: its already in... no one has made an installer for it... only way to install it currently is crosshurd (as I mentioned earlier) ... kFreeBSD is already in Sid... |
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| 03:51.08 | ke6isf | trey: Well, there you go then. |
| 03:51.19 | trey | Seb: most major wm's support it... |
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| 03:52.00 | npx | Man, debian kicks ass. |
| 03:52.00 | ke6isf | trey: Not being interested in hurd in the slightest, to be honest, I have no qualms one way or another. But if it lacks an installer and you're interested, there's nobody stopping you from building an installer. |
| 03:52.22 | Seb | trey: k, but what's the scope of it, I mean can I make any window transparent or something ? |
| 03:52.55 | trey | Seb: sure... at least with KDE... |
| 03:53.53 | trey | Seb: Metashity supports it also... but afaik, you can't make GTK apps transparent (I've tried, it didn't like it) |
| 03:54.04 | phyrster | rking: because the results shows all the dirs intead of only the doc files |
| 03:54.04 | phyrster | rking: don't know why, really frustrated |
| 03:54.11 | Seb | trey: k, i use sawfish, so I guess xcmopmngr and transset are what I need |
| 03:54.27 | phyrster | how to use 'find' command to print the hidden files and directories? |
| 03:54.32 | trey | Seb: yeah... plus the applicable line in xorg.conf |
| 03:54.38 | Seb | trey: k |
| 03:54.58 | trey | phyrster: grr... just type 'ls -a'... you're over-thinking things... |
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| 03:55.14 | rking | phyrster: umm... well, here's the deal: when you do globs (such as asterisk) on the command line, they're expanded before the command sees them. try: echo .* to see what i mean. so what you're telling "ls" is that you want it to list each of the things that .* expands to. what you probably really want is: ls -A |
| 03:55.14 | Seb | trey: hrm, dpkg doesn't know about xcompmgr :\ |
| 03:55.42 | rking | phyrster: "find" doesn't care about hidden or not |
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| 03:56.49 | trey | Seb: hmm... kde has komposite built in :/ |
| 03:57.16 | trey | Seb: take that back... that wasn't done in time... but kompmgr or someshit is in there... |
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| 03:58.04 | trey | Seb: not that that info does you any good... but I never used xcompmgr/transset ;) |
| 03:58.12 | Seb | heh, k |
| 03:58.48 | rking | can i chgrp video /proc/bus/usb/001; chmod g+w /proc/bus/usb/001 to any profit? |
| 03:58.53 | zirikili | what is necessary to use it on gnome 2.10 ? |
| 03:58.54 | phyrster | rking: I just want to show the hidden files and only the hidden files. what to do? |
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| 03:59.07 | rking | phyrster: echo .* |
| 03:59.24 | bob2 | rking: your camera doesn't do usb-storage? |
| 03:59.54 | trey | phyrster: ls -a | grep . ... but I hate when it outputs like that :/ |
| 03:59.58 | rking | bob2: hrmm... i don't know, i'm just dorking with gphoto2, and it tweaks out about not having access to the usb port |
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| 04:00.14 | Guerin | rking: be root |
| 04:00.18 | rking | trey: that is very wrong |
| 04:00.23 | trey | phyrster: blah... rking's method works nice.. clean :) |
| 04:00.26 | rking | Guerin: good point. =) |
| 04:00.29 | Guerin | rking: or use a hotplug script to fix the permissions for you |
| 04:00.38 | trey | rking: works... wrong but works = correct for me :/ |
| 04:00.40 | rking | Guerin: aaahahh... ok, thanks |
| 04:01.15 | trey | Guerin: look at /root/.profile ... especially note the ls aliases... |
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| 04:01.26 | rking | trey: grep interprets "." as "any char", and also you're not saying at the beginning of the line, so foo.exe would list |
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| 04:02.40 | trey | rking: ahh... it just looked right cuz I don't have much else in my home folder right now :( |
| 04:03.11 | phyrster | I am asking this question because tar cvf refuses to regonizes wildcards |
| 04:03.21 | phyrster | I just want to use tar to backup all dot files. |
| 04:03.30 | rking | phyrster: tar cvzf dotfiles .* |
| 04:04.06 | rking | phyrster: possibly: tar cvzf --exclude=. --exclude=.. dotfiles.tgz .* (i meant to have the .tgz there the first time, btw) |
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| 04:04.32 | jkern | phyrster, try: ls -a | grep "^\." |
| 04:04.35 | rking | and no, you don't need those --exclude's |
| 04:04.45 | phyrster | now I do this tar cvf test.tar `echo .*` |
| 04:04.45 | phyrster | but still all directories are included |
| 04:04.56 | phyrster | rking: that does not work. since .* is taken as all dirs |
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| 04:05.23 | rking | phyrster: that `echo ` is precisely a no-op. |
| 04:05.32 | ke6isf | phyrster: The reason it's doing this is because in the process of ls'ing .*, it's also giving you an ls of . |
| 04:05.40 | rking | phyrster: you have got to get it out of your head that .* means all dirs |
| 04:06.36 | rking | phyrster: seriously, try this, it works: tar cvf dots.tar .* |
| 04:06.37 | ke6isf | phyrster: This is not a bug, but a feature. It is in fact supposed to behave that way. |
| 04:06.45 | phyrster | rking: no-op? |
| 04:06.46 | phyrster | so let me rephrase my question: to backup all dot files using tar, |
| 04:06.50 | Guerin | trey: ? |
| 04:06.54 | rking | tar cvf dots.tar .* |
| 04:06.55 | rking | tar cvf dots.tar .* |
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| 04:07.06 | Guerin | rking: you fucking idiot |
| 04:07.08 | nvz | rking: you are an idiot |
| 04:07.10 | rking | dang, i don't think a cluebie has ever actually frustrated me before |
| 04:07.10 | trey | Guerin: hey |
| 04:07.12 | rking | thanks. |
| 04:07.22 | ke6isf | rking: That won't work. See what I said to phyrster about .* . |
| 04:07.25 | phyrster | rking: Wildcards can *not* be used directly in tar commands. The following commands will *fail*: |
| 04:07.29 | phyrster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.29 | nvz | rking: that doesnt even work |
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| 04:07.46 | nvz | rking: at least not the way you think it does |
| 04:07.46 | ke6isf | phyrster: Um, wildcards *can* be used in tar. It HAS to work. |
| 04:07.55 | Guerin | . is a wildcard |
| 04:08.08 | ke6isf | Guerin: It is in a regexp, not in a filesystem. |
| 04:08.13 | Guerin | right |
| 04:08.16 | rking | ahhhh, ok... ha, so, umm.. this would be one of them there differences between zsh. |
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| 04:08.22 | rking | zsh does it right, bash does the weird thing. |
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| 04:08.41 | Guerin | rking: you are moron #9 |
| 04:08.42 | rking | basically zsh does not include . or .. |
| 04:09.08 | rking | Guerin: yeah, sorry. |
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| 04:09.36 | phyrster | ke6isf: I got this from the url: http://www.washington.edu/computing/unix/tar.html |
| 04:09.36 | phyrster | does it have anyting to do with my terminal 'urxvt' ? |
| 04:09.44 | rking | Guerin/ke6isf: how is grep, or any other regex, involved in: echo .* ? |
| 04:09.51 | Guerin | terminal has no bearing on shell |
| 04:09.58 | ke6isf | rking: It isn't, it doesn't matter. |
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| 04:10.01 | rking | it's not - the only problem here is that stupid bash includes . and .. in the ".*" glob |
| 04:10.02 | ke6isf | phyrster: What shell are you using? |
| 04:10.07 | Guerin | rking: it's not; nor did I say it was. |
| 04:10.16 | lunitik | Guerin: you said as a way to view . files... be root... this is because root alias' ls as ls -a... |
| 04:10.28 | jkern | phyrster, try this: tar cvf crap.tar $(ls -a | grep "^\.") |
| 04:10.33 | Guerin | lunitik: no, I was talking about your USB |
| 04:10.40 | Guerin | or someone's usb |
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| 04:11.17 | ke6isf | phyrster: Listen to jkern, this will work. |
| 04:11.20 | ke6isf | !jkern++ |
| 04:11.23 | maher | phyrster: how about tar cvf stuff.tar `find . -name '.*'` <--- this will pack up stuff like dir/.foo as well - do you want that? |
| 04:11.29 | Guerin | no |
| 04:11.33 | rking | by the way, this works even in bash: tar --exclude=. --exclude=.. -cvf foo.tar .* |
| 04:11.34 | Guerin | jkern: you want -A |
| 04:11.40 | Guerin | to exclude . and .. |
| 04:11.42 | lunitik | Guerin: ahh... got confused because rking was also talking about this wildcard issue (didn't see the convo about hotplug) |
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| 04:11.58 | ke6isf | Guerin: what is -A versus -a? |
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| 04:12.06 | Guerin | ke6isf: man ls :) |
| 04:12.17 | ke6isf | Guerin: Phbbbt! =-P |
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| 04:12.34 | jkern | Guerin, that is better, ok |
| 04:12.50 | eeyore- | find . -type d -name ... | tar --files-from ... |
| 04:13.14 | phyrster | jkern: trying |
| 04:13.23 | jkern | phyrster, tar cvf crap.tar $(ls -A | grep "^\.") |
| 04:13.25 | rking | anything involving find is not right |
| 04:13.34 | rking | or not simplest, i should say |
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| 04:13.53 | rking | tar cvf foo.tar $(find . -name '.*' -maxdepth 1) would work |
| 04:13.56 | bob2 | some people don't use zsh yet??! |
| 04:14.06 | Seb | hrm, so xcompmgr and transset are not in debian, it seems |
| 04:14.11 | rking | bob2: yeah, i forgot about that, and i made an idiot of myself tonight. =\ |
| 04:14.22 | bob2 | Seb: correct |
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| 04:14.41 | Seb | bob2: any specific reason ? |
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| 04:14.52 | bob2 | no one has uploaded it yet |
| 04:14.55 | Guerin | Seb: WOFT |
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| 04:14.59 | Seb | bob2: k |
| 04:15.19 | bob2 | well, that too |
| 04:15.23 | Guerin | Seb: according to gravity, they're practically unusable, so he hasn't bothered with them |
| 04:15.23 | bob2 | it is slow and crashy |
| 04:15.27 | phyrster | sorry guys, I am really frustrated. None of the above commands work |
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| 04:15.32 | phyrster | I don't use any alias to 'ls' |
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| 04:15.52 | lunitik | bob2: how would one remove bash once one is using zsh? (having 3 shells installed seems unnecissary) |
| 04:15.52 | maher | phyrster: do you have a command which lists the files you want? |
| 04:15.52 | ke6isf | phyrster: What about jkern's command? |
| 04:15.54 | mwilson | !woft |
| 04:15.54 | dpkg | [woft] Waste of Freaking Time |
| 04:15.57 | mwilson | ah |
| 04:15.59 | phyrster | I guess the reason is tar tends to includes . .. and thus it includs all dirs |
| 04:16.01 | mwilson | Shoulda known. |
| 04:16.03 | bob2 | lunitik: you don't, you leave it there |
| 04:16.08 | bob2 | since it's essential |
| 04:16.13 | Seb | bob2, Guerin: thx guys |
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| 04:16.18 | Guerin | lunitik: don't remove bash |
| 04:16.23 | mwilson | So, is New Orleans still there? |
| 04:16.26 | nvz | thats kind of like my IAFT factoid |
| 04:16.33 | nvz | and I didnt know what it meant either |
| 04:16.41 | Guerin | !iaft |
| 04:16.41 | dpkg | well, iaft is Its About Fuckking Time |
| 04:16.42 | ke6isf | phyrster: Modify jkern's line to do -A instead of -a |
| 04:16.47 | Chewie[] | Anyone else having major problems with the new Firefox in Etch/Testing? It doesn't like half the extension I try to install, and it has the tendency to corrupt many a profile. |
| 04:16.51 | bob2 | lunitik: no, they don't |
| 04:16.55 | jkern | phyrster, tar cvf crap.tar $(ls -A | grep "^\.") NOTE the "A" |
| 04:16.58 | bob2 | lunitik: bash has been the default shell for generations |
| 04:17.07 | rking | phyrster: did you try tar --exclude=. --exclude=.. -cvf dots.tar .* |
| 04:17.13 | bob2 | lunitik: so lots of stuff calls /bin/bash but expects bash. it's a bug, but it still happens |
| 04:17.16 | Guerin | debian-compliant scripts use sh - no bashisms |
| 04:17.26 | lunitik | bob2: :( |
| 04:17.29 | bob2 | er, calls "/bin/sh" |
| 04:17.34 | bob2 | lunitik: it's not a huge deal |
| 04:17.56 | mwilson | lunitik: Shell scripts use whatever shell script they're written for, of course. There is no "default". |
| 04:18.06 | nvz | is there a /bin/sh or is it always a symlink? |
| 04:18.23 | mwilson | In Debian, it's a symlink. |
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| 04:19.01 | mwilson | BSD's have a real binary there, but it's just a copy of whatever they use for sh. |
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| 04:19.32 | mwilson | Well, oBSD hardlinks sh to ksh. |
| 04:19.51 | mwilson | I don't have direct knowledge of what the other two do. |
| 04:20.06 | morggin | is there something wrong with php-mysql 4.4.0-1 ... any one else having issues with it ? i cant seem to get MySQL support enabled in php ... i get the package installed just fine but when i try to install mambo it says php4 has no mysql support. I used aptitude to remove all packages related to php4 and reinstalled them all including php-mysql but im still haveing the same issue. from CLI i do php -m and mysql is not listed |
| 04:20.17 | phyrster | jkern: it worked. Thanks you. what does the $brackets in that command do? |
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| 04:20.26 | phyrster | rking: don't work. it created a file called --exclude=.. instead |
| 04:20.37 | cadu | hi ! how do i tell apt-get to hold a package for me ? |
| 04:20.47 | eeyore- | morggin: php has two configuration files (php.ini). did you edit the right one? (/etc/*/php.ini) |
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| 04:20.55 | cadu | or to don't upgrade that package |
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| 04:21.13 | npx | cesim and kernal_1 = spam |
| 04:21.27 | eeyore- | cadu: "=" key in dselect, i think |
| 04:21.33 | rking | phyrster: are you sure you didn't put the --exclude's after the cvf? |
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| 04:21.46 | devrethman | anybody know what would make configure say this all the time?:checking for glPushMatrix in -lGL... no |
| 04:21.46 | devrethman | configure: error: No OpenGL library could be found. |
| 04:22.24 | mwilson | devrethman: other than the "obvious to a 5-year-old" that there is no OpenGL library to be found? |
| 04:22.29 | rking | devrethman: apt-get install xlibmesa-gl-dev |
| 04:22.35 | devrethman | i have tried that |
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| 04:22.41 | bob2 | devrethman: did you rm config.cache? |
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| 04:22.48 | jkern | phyrster, the $(commands) uses the output of the commands . the old way was `commands` BTW |
| 04:22.52 | rking | devrethman: do you have a /usr/lib/libGL.so ? |
| 04:22.53 | devrethman | i'll try that |
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| 04:23.12 | devrethman | i have libGL.so |
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| 04:23.24 | eeyore- | devrethman: define "all the time", i doubt configure checks for opengl library *all the time* (as in, for any arbitrary package) |
| 04:23.32 | Seb | Guerin, bob2: so if I wanna play with transparency and all thos new x.org features, I need to find a wm that natively supports them ? |
| 04:23.55 | devrethman | as in no matter what i try when i am compiling stepmania |
| 04:23.58 | bob2 | Seb: which is none of them |
| 04:24.02 | eeyore- | Seb: more like the *driver* that supports transparency |
| 04:24.08 | bob2 | aside from expocity |
| 04:24.08 | phyrster | jkern: the old way? |
| 04:24.12 | eeyore- | Seb: you can always set transparency manually |
| 04:24.17 | Seb | bob2: i see |
| 04:24.21 | mwilson | Seb: Or get transset somewhere ELSE. Not like it's a big deal to find. |
| 04:24.22 | morggin | eeyore: thanks ... that may be it ... extension=mysql.so was commented out |
| 04:24.25 | Seb | eeyore-: well i was just told it's not usable at all |
| 04:24.38 | bob2 | Seb: just get transset from source |
| 04:24.39 | mwilson | Seb: it's not, really. |
| 04:24.48 | devrethman | i was in here around 2:00 today and nobody could figure it out |
| 04:24.51 | bob2 | Seb: it's slow and composite apparently still makes X crash a lot |
| 04:24.53 | eeyore- | Seb: works for me in gentoo ... but only with some drivers (ATI drivers = doesn't support transparency, Nvidia = works somewhat, but crash-prone) |
| 04:24.56 | jkern | phyrster, yes it is now deprecated but you will still see it in scripts |
| 04:25.00 | mwilson | Seb: For all the talking the eye-candy morons do about it, there's still really no point to it. |
| 04:25.00 | Seb | mwilson: this is not the problem, i was just told it's not stable |
| 04:25.05 | mkl1525 | Hi, trying to get tinydns to work, it's running but on every lookup there is my local domain appended - anybody knows how to avoid this or what option could cause this behavior? |
| 04:25.07 | lakcaj | Is there no "debian way" of installing the nvidia driver on a 2.6 kernel? I can only find nvidia-kernel for 2.4 series kernels. |
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| 04:25.21 | Seb | eeyore-: hrm, I use nvidia, so maybe I won't futz with that too much |
| 04:25.26 | ke6isf | !tell lakcaj -about nvidia |
| 04:25.28 | lunitik | nvz: "don't allow non-registered users to message you" ... someone said it earlier in relation to the porn bots... |
| 04:25.39 | bob2 | mkl1525: is tinydns the djbware one? |
| 04:25.39 | eeyore- | Seb: and worse still, if you use transparency, you might have to set renderaccel off |
| 04:25.40 | mwilson | lakcaj: There's a reason you don't read the documentation that comes with nvidia-kernel-source, of course. |
| 04:25.47 | Seb | eeyore-: k |
| 04:25.47 | lunitik | nvz: /vmode +E is what they said... |
| 04:25.51 | nvz | lunitik: sounds like b.s. to me |
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| 04:25.57 | eeyore- | Seb: which would just *kill* performance :-) |
| 04:26.16 | lunitik | nvz: know of any way to do that then? cuz the porn-bots are annoying :( |
| 04:26.21 | ke6isf | nvz: spambot solution: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#spambots |
| 04:26.22 | nvz | lunitik: there is an irssi command /umode +E, and on other clients its usually /mode <yournick> +E |
| 04:26.25 | Seb | eeyore-: heh |
| 04:26.36 | mkl1525 | bob2, yes thinks so |
| 04:26.44 | devrethman | anybody? |
| 04:26.54 | nvz | lunitik: its in the /topic |
| 04:26.56 | lakcaj | ke6isf, mwilson: I was reading the howto that the dpkg bot points to, and it says to install nvidia-glx, and that is trying to pull in some 2.4 kernel crap I don't need |
| 04:27.09 | lunitik | nvz: haha... I think I just miss read it... thanks :) |
| 04:27.13 | bob2 | mkl1525: try #qmail or something; tinydns is't in Debian, and I've never seen anyone in here use it |
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| 04:27.26 | bob2 | bind9 and powerdns are quite nice Free DNS servers., tho |
| 04:27.26 | ke6isf | nvz: ...sorry, that shoulda gone to lunitik. |
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| 04:27.48 | nvz | bob2: maybe that url should be in the /topic instead of the command. |
| 04:27.50 | mwilson | lakcaj: If you actually read it, you'll see that it says something quite different. |
| 04:28.38 | devrethman | is libmesa really the same as openGL? |
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| 04:28.53 | ke6isf | nvz: Goes into detail about how you should register your nick and set yourself a +E. |
| 04:28.58 | lunitik | devrethman: no... OpenGL is a spec... Mesa is an implementation of said spec |
| 04:29.01 | devrethman | cause the summary in aptitude calls it "a 3D graphics library which presents an API intended to be compatible with OpenGL" |
| 04:29.02 | eeyore- | devrethman: mesa is an implementation of opengl. which opengl do you use? nvidia has its own. |
| 04:29.07 | mwilson | lakcaj: See... I actually know what it says, since I've read it, so I know it doesn't say that. |
| 04:29.08 | bob2 | devrethman: no, libmesa is an implementation of opengl |
| 04:29.12 | phyrster | why am I getting this private msg <cesim> Free WebCamera Sex Movie For sign = |
| 04:29.13 | devrethman | yea, i have an nvidia card |
| 04:29.14 | eeyore- | devrethman: maybe your opengl lib is a *broken symlink*? check |
| 04:29.18 | bob2 | devrethman: well, it's the only free one, and everyone else uses it |
| 04:29.21 | ke6isf | !tell phyrster -about spambots |
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| 04:29.49 | nvz | ke6isf: yeah, would you say it would make more sense to have that in the topic? since it has been being blaired out over the global message |
| 04:29.52 | devrethman | so is there something else i have to get to make it work on nvidia? |
| 04:29.58 | eeyore- | phyrster: many people told you this already, i think. /umode +E (big E) |
| 04:30.12 | devrethman | i have the drivers from nvidia, but apt won't let me install nvidia-glx |
| 04:30.18 | nvz | and obviously people that need it arent hearing it :P |
| 04:30.18 | eeyore- | devrethman: why not? |
| 04:30.19 | mwilson | devrethman: Why would it? |
| 04:30.27 | ke6isf | nvz: Well, probably. Though I don't seem to be getting globals. |
| 04:30.32 | lakcaj | mwilson, so I guess the line that specifically says, "apt-get -t $NVDIST install nvidia-glx" which I'm trying to do and it is pulling in 2.4 crap is just a figment of my imagination? |
| 04:30.32 | jkern | phyrster, do a " /mode phyrster +E " |
| 04:30.33 | mwilson | eeyore-: No doubt he mis-built them from source. |
| 04:30.45 | morggin | ok i have extension=mysql.so in php.ini , and mysql.so is in /usr/lib/php4/20050606 |
| 04:30.46 | nvz | ke6isf: really? I get them all the time. |
| 04:30.47 | devrethman | E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate |
| 04:30.53 | lakcaj | mwilson, perhaps we are reading different docs. I'm here: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 04:30.55 | ke6isf | nvz: What usermode are you setting yourself at? |
| 04:30.57 | phyrster | no one bans it ? |
| 04:30.59 | bob2 | any piece of documentation that tells you to use apt-get -t should explain why |
| 04:30.59 | nvz | ke6isf: you must not be online for long enough |
| 04:30.59 | devrethman | it does the same thing with lots of other packages |
| 04:30.59 | morggin | but i still don't see mysql when i do php -m |
| 04:31.03 | devrethman | like openoffice |
| 04:31.06 | mwilson | lakcaj: No, apparently everything that comes before that which you're supposed to do is apparently something you don't think worth reading. |
| 04:31.08 | nvz | ke6isf: +CEei |
| 04:31.11 | bob2 | phyrster: dude, there's dozens of them, and they come from a new ip each time |
| 04:31.17 | bob2 | phyrster: set the umode and be happy, I'm doing all I can |
| 04:31.19 | eeyore- | devrethman: maybe you forgot to include something in your apt sources file |
| 04:31.19 | ke6isf | nvz: I'll try +Ci also; currently I'm +Ee. |
| 04:31.28 | morggin | and extensions_dir is commented out also |
| 04:31.30 | devrethman | so i have been told |
| 04:31.31 | nvz | ke6isf: C is no ctcp, and i is invisible |
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| 04:31.36 | chrisf | devrethman: i'm having trouble with nvidia-glx as well |
| 04:31.42 | eeyore- | devrethman: so fix that first :-) possibly "non-free" i think |
| 04:31.44 | ke6isf | nvz: Oh. Well that won't help then for the purpose, but it has its advantages. |
| 04:31.45 | mwilson | He sees no reason to actually do step 1. |
| 04:31.51 | devrethman | i have non-free |
| 04:32.09 | eeyore- | devrethman: contrib? did you then "apt-get update" (or use dselect?)? |
| 04:32.15 | mwilson | lakcaj: Hint... since you don't know what you're doing anyway, don't arbitrarily skip steps. |
| 04:32.16 | devrethman | yea |
| 04:32.32 | devrethman | deb http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 04:32.39 | eeyore- | devrethman: oooooh |
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| 04:32.45 | nvz | ke6isf: I sometimes set +CEeiw which also gives you wallops, which is kind of like global messaging only you can control it with a umode |
| 04:32.50 | eeyore- | devrethman: well, now you're asking for trouble :-) |
| 04:32.54 | devrethman | ? |
| 04:32.59 | chrisf | devrethman: i'm also amd64 with nvidia-glx problems |
| 04:33.05 | eeyore- | devrethman: i'm going to step out of this discussion since i don't do amd64 target, sorry |
| 04:33.08 | devrethman | it worked fine for me in gentoo |
| 04:33.13 | chrisf | same here |
| 04:33.17 | mwilson | Then run Gentoo. |
| 04:33.29 | devrethman | but portage is rather lame, so i was hoping this might be better |
| 04:33.29 | chrisf | i want to run debian though heh |
| 04:33.37 | eeyore- | devrethman: yeah, run gentoo. i do :-) |
| 04:33.37 | devrethman | portage sucks |
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| 04:33.55 | devrethman | i had like 15 versions of 10 different packages, and it crashed all the time |
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| 04:33.58 | mwilson | And you base that opinion on...? |
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| 04:34.01 | chrisf | i like portage and apt but apt better and i think debian "just works" |
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| 04:34.04 | nvz | ke6isf: only way I know to stop global messages is to /disco, or use an ignore regex.. ignoring lilo would probably work. |
| 04:34.05 | devrethman | and every time KDE updated my comp was down for 6 hours |
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| 04:34.16 | morggin | having issues with php4-mysql 4.4.0-1 on debian sarge. I have php4-mysql package installed. I checked /etc/php4/apache/php.ini ... extension=mysql.so is at the bottom of the config file. but when i do "php -m" mysql is not listed as a module |
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| 04:34.35 | eeyore- | devrethman: that's why you use "qpkg -nc -d -v" |
| 04:34.45 | lakcaj | mwilson, I missed the m-a lines... thanks for pointing that out |
| 04:34.53 | mwilson | devrethman: Yes... after all, we all know that Gentoo decides arbitrarily to update everything, without ever being told to by the admin. |
| 04:34.53 | devrethman | that's why i switched to debian |
| 04:35.02 | bob2 | morggin: all these packages are from sarge? |
| 04:35.02 | eeyore- | devrethman: and "crash all the time" probably means you got bum hardware or do something stupid. i have 24/7 gentoo servers that do stay up just fine |
| 04:35.07 | mwilson | lakcaj: "missed"? Please. Don't make me laugh. |
| 04:35.07 | devrethman | cause i don't want top spend hours getting portage to do what i want |
| 04:35.14 | morggin | bob2 yes |
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| 04:35.24 | eeyore- | devrethman: and if you manage to crash like this (and still manage to be vague) i don't think debian is going to be any different for you |
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| 04:35.31 | chrisf | eeyore: with amd64 it's not 100% solid; devrethman and i are both talking about gentoo 64 |
| 04:35.43 | mwilson | lakcaj: Over half the howto is devoted to building the kernel module. |
| 04:35.49 | eeyore- | morggin: again, TWO SEPARATE CONFIG FILES |
| 04:35.51 | lakcaj | mwilson, what you call not reading them and skipping to the next step? I'd called it missing. Don't be so high and mighty |
| 04:35.56 | bob2 | morggin: the command line php stuff doesn't read that file, tho |
| 04:36.01 | bob2 | morggin: /etc/php4/cgi or something |
| 04:36.01 | nvz | bob2: no that pphp4-mysql 4.4.0-1 isnt in sarge |
| 04:36.03 | eeyore- | morggin: just because you edit the one in apache, doesn't mean the command line honors it |
| 04:36.07 | devrethman | ok, perhaps o did something stupid with portage, I don't know |
| 04:36.10 | bob2 | that's what I thought |
| 04:36.11 | eeyore- | morggin: find /etc -name php.ini |
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| 04:36.13 | nvz | bob2: its in sid though |
| 04:36.14 | devrethman | *i |
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| 04:36.27 | eeyore- | christel: i see |
| 04:36.31 | eeyore- | chrisf: i see |
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| 04:36.32 | bob2 | !+info php4-mysql sarge |
| 04:36.37 | dpkg | php4-mysql: (MySQL module for php4), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-15 (sarge), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 67 kB |
| 04:36.37 | dondelelcaro | php has a few billion different php.ini files, which is read depends on which way you invoke it. |
| 04:36.42 | zinosat | how do I configure sshd as to listen to port 80? |
| 04:36.43 | bob2 | morggin: sarge doesn't appear to have php 4.4, tho |
| 04:36.45 | nvz | thats the first thing I did when I seen the question. |
| 04:36.50 | bob2 | zinosat: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 04:36.53 | mwilson | Why is it so hard for people to admit they can't be bothered to read, anyway? |
| 04:36.58 | devrethman | i am seriously thinking about using a plain old X86 install |
| 04:37.00 | zinosat | bob2, thanx |
| 04:37.07 | morggin | hmmm ... could i have gotten 4.4 from other branch then ? |
| 04:37.12 | bob2 | zinosat: that's probably a bad idea if you're trying to circumvent firewalls, tho |
| 04:37.35 | eeyore- | devrethman: nothing wrong with that. i've got a few opteron machines that work just fine 32-bit mode :) |
| 04:37.35 | chrisf | devrethman: i think this is just a temporary problem for us; people have amd64 with nvidia working |
| 04:37.37 | dondelelcaro | zinosat: add a ListenAddress to it; man sshd_config for details on the format. |
| 04:37.44 | Seb | zinosat: bob2 is right, 443 would already be much better |
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| 04:37.56 | jnc | devrethman: i'm on amd64 hardware |
| 04:37.58 | zinosat | I want to reach my debian box from work |
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| 04:38.00 | nvz | when I get a question like that I always check for incosistancies in the provided information before proceeding |
| 04:38.01 | devrethman | i used to, so it's obviously not a problem with nvidia |
| 04:38.01 | jnc | sid is tolerable |
| 04:38.07 | jnc | not everything installs though |
| 04:38.11 | Seb | zinosat: then use 443 rather than 80 |
| 04:38.12 | dondelelcaro | zinosat: yeah, 443 is probably the right way to do that, because 80 is usually proxied |
| 04:38.13 | chrisf | jnc: you use nvidia? |
| 04:38.13 | jnc | but most of the stuff i use does |
| 04:38.16 | jnc | nah |
| 04:38.20 | chrisf | damn |
| 04:38.21 | dondelelcaro | s/usually/often/ |
| 04:38.24 | jnc | i built the computer myself |
| 04:38.24 | zinosat | Seb, 80 is the only port I can use from the office :( |
| 04:38.30 | dondelelcaro | zinosat: you can't use https? |
| 04:38.36 | chrisf | jnc: as did i; i always use nvidia cards |
| 04:38.37 | bob2 | zinosat: they block https entirely? |
| 04:38.38 | Seb | zinosat: then your ssh traffic on port 80 is gonna stand out, if it goes through as well |
| 04:38.42 | Seb | proxies, as dondelelcaro pointed out |
| 04:38.42 | zinosat | dondelelcaro, I think I can |
| 04:38.43 | jnc | if you want to play a bunch of games, you might be better off with Gentoo |
| 04:38.48 | dondelelcaro | zinosat: then use 443 |
| 04:38.52 | devrethman | nvidia has worked great for me until i installed debian |
| 04:38.53 | jnc | i do serious work so i'm using Debian |
| 04:39.02 | lakcaj | mwilson, I plainly admitted that I didn't read carefully enough when I said I missed a step. How else would I miss a step unless I wasn't reading carefully enough? Congratulations... you win and are better than me since you know the nvidia howto so well. |
| 04:39.02 | chrisf | devrethman: same here |
| 04:39.04 | bob2 | devrethman: you're on amd64? |
| 04:39.05 | devrethman | i think it's cause debian is obsessed with "free software" anyway |
| 04:39.11 | devrethman | bob2: yea |
| 04:39.12 | bob2 | devrethman: oh, shut up |
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| 04:39.18 | chrisf | bob2: both he and i are; and trying to get nvidia-glx working |
| 04:39.18 | devrethman | why is that anyway? |
| 04:39.27 | eeyore- | excuse me for doing serious work on Gentoo. i'm gonna stand in the and wear the "dunce cap" now. |
| 04:39.29 | dondelelcaro | devrethman: read the social contract and see what our priorities are. |
| 04:39.30 | elisboa | Does anyone know how can I list held packages? |
| 04:39.44 | dondelelcaro | elisboa: dpkg --get-selections|grep hold |
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| 04:39.47 | bob2 | devrethman: the problem with nvidia is their license, not debian's policies |
| 04:39.53 | devrethman | ummm |
| 04:39.54 | mwilson | eeyore-: You must be the only one. |
| 04:39.59 | eeyore- | mwilson: haha :-) |
| 04:40.00 | elisboa | dondelelcaro, hmm, thanks |
| 04:40.00 | devrethman | that's mutually exclusive |
| 04:40.02 | bob2 | devrethman: debian's not allowed to distribute working modules for it out of the box |
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| 04:40.08 | devrethman | why not? |
| 04:40.11 | devrethman | according to whom? |
| 04:40.11 | nvz | devrethman: http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 04:40.22 | Seb | sheesh |
| 04:40.25 | bob2 | accoriding to nvidia |
| 04:40.29 | dondelelcaro | devrethman: because it would violate our social contract. It's fairly simple. |
| 04:40.29 | Seb | devrethman: you sure know how to rock a crowd |
| 04:40.32 | devrethman | so why can gentoo have it? |
| 04:40.37 | Seb | oh god |
| 04:40.37 | chrisf | yea nvidia and java both suck like that |
| 04:40.40 | eeyore- | devrethman: it's compiled from source, man |
| 04:40.41 | bob2 | devrethman: and the face their drivers are incompatible with the kernel's license |
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| 04:40.56 | devrethman | okok |
| 04:41.02 | eeyore- | devrethman: .ebuild file is just nothing more than scripts |
| 04:41.10 | lakcaj | brb |
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| 04:41.17 | phyrster | rking: you method also worked. |
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| 04:41.25 | eeyore- | devrethman: that's why your package "foo" might be different from my package "foo". it's part of the fun. |
| 04:41.26 | bob2 | gentoo does the same thing Debian does, which is compile them later |
| 04:41.29 | rking | phyrster: yay - that's all i wanted. =D |
| 04:41.39 | phyrster | rking: thank you buddy |
| 04:41.48 | elisboa | dondelelcaro, sorry to bother you... I did it and it did not list any package. But when I try to install kde 3.4.1 from alioth, it says that I have broken held packages |
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| 04:41.53 | jkern | devrethman, Debian is a particular culture, an important feature really |
| 04:41.55 | elisboa | What can I do about it? |
| 04:41.55 | jnc | eh, dpkg'ing libraries is a lot more challenging to do than writing ebuilds for libraries |
| 04:41.56 | devrethman | that's why gentoo buggs me |
| 04:42.09 | dondelelcaro | elisboa: use the paster bot to paste the complete output of the apt-get run and the output of apt-cache policy; |
| 04:42.12 | devrethman | cause portage is so non-coordinated |
| 04:42.14 | dondelelcaro | !tell elisboa -about paster |
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| 04:42.36 | lunitik | eeyore-: you're running Gentoo? *shudder* |
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| 04:42.43 | chrisf | hah |
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| 04:42.48 | rking | phyrster: i think backing up dotfiles is a good idea. at some point down the road, you might consider adding them to a version control system, such as SVN - then you get the backups for free, and the added bonus of being able to see what has changed. |
| 04:42.54 | devrethman | I actually like the way it works better than apt, but it's implemented to poorly |
| 04:43.04 | dabaR | any suggestions on killing this process: dbernar1 6264 0.2 3.6 34964 17524 ? D 23:32 0:01 /usr/bin/k3b ? I tried killall k3b, killall -KILL k3b, and sudo kill -9 k3b. |
| 04:43.11 | eeyore- | lunitik: gentoo and debian |
| 04:43.20 | tmg1|stoon | test |
| 04:43.23 | chrisf | ing |
| 04:43.26 | rking | tmg1|stoon: passed |
| 04:43.27 | lunitik | tmg1|stoon: it failed |
| 04:43.30 | phyrster | Is there a good and simple script that just backup the files and dirs that I named? |
| 04:43.31 | devrethman | k3b doesn't sie |
| 04:43.33 | eeyore- | lunitik: and the obligatory RHEL / ancient redhats |
| 04:43.34 | devrethman | i don't know why |
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| 04:43.56 | lakcaj | Well, nvidia drivers are working great here, just make sure you follow all the directions :) |
| 04:43.56 | eeyore- | phyrster: tar |
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| 04:43.57 | nvz | ~person |
| 04:44.00 | apt | i heard person is like a bot, but squishier, or a meat popscicle |
| 04:44.06 | dabaR | devrethman: there is its splash screen stuck on the middle of my screen:) |
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| 04:44.12 | lunitik | eeyore-: I have a SUSE boxen for that purpose... never really got my head around Gentoo... I just don't see the advantages... |
| 04:44.15 | devrethman | yea, i know how you feel |
| 04:44.20 | nvz | rking and lunitik are proof of what apt said |
| 04:44.25 | elisboa | dondelelcaro, here it is: http://channels.debian.net/paste/598 |
| 04:44.26 | devrethman | you can kill the window by right clicking close in the taskbar |
| 04:44.30 | devrethman | but the proscess won't go away |
| 04:44.31 | eeyore- | lunitik: it's good for prototyping small boxes |
| 04:44.32 | dabaR | Ill jsut log out/restart x or so, I just have many windows open:( :) |
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| 04:44.54 | eeyore- | lunitik: custom compile everything on a big box, move the binaries to the small box |
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| 04:45.05 | zinosat | dondelelcaro, as for ListenAddress I have to add the ip address of my pc assigned from the dhcp on my router? |
| 04:45.05 | lunitik | nvz: I'm like a bot? I don't get it :( |
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| 04:45.23 | nvz | !literal test |
| 04:45.23 | dpkg | test is <reply> (Yes, $who, you're still online.|No, $who, you're not online any more.|Sorry, $who, I didn't get your test.) |
| 04:45.26 | dabaR | devrethman: thanks, I used the force quit from gnome-panel to kill it, thanks for the idea. |
| 04:45.31 | devrethman | lunitik: gentoo is faster once it's compiled and is about a month ahead of everyone else |
| 04:45.54 | devrethman | dabaR: the proscess is still there, so don't try to restart it, you'llk get the same thing |
| 04:45.55 | dondelelcaro | zinosat: if you're using a router, just have the router forward 443 to 22 on your pc |
| 04:45.59 | nvz | I swear one of them bots also said "passed" or "failed" |
| 04:46.08 | dabaR | I wont, thanks. |
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| 04:46.25 | lunitik | devrethman: SUPER and Sid are the fastest distro's I have used... and that includes Gentoo... |
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| 04:46.27 | devrethman | dabaR:if you ever figure out why it does that, tell me |
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| 04:46.40 | lunitik | (albeit, my Debian system is very simplistic...) |
| 04:46.41 | devrethman | lunitik: not in my experience |
| 04:46.45 | zinosat | dondelelcaro, ok thanx: I'm really a newbie on the subject... I know I have to enable port forwarding on the router |
| 04:46.49 | zeeble | grr. what mode do you set to accept messages from registered nicknames only? |
| 04:46.49 | dondelelcaro | elisboa: ok, and the apt-cache policy; output? [it looks like you're trying to use the unofficial kde packages, which may not be able to be trivially installed] |
| 04:46.51 | devrethman | but i have laods of stuff on mine |
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| 04:47.07 | dondelelcaro | zinosat: yeah, just enable it and have it forward 443 to 22 and 80 to 22 or whatever you want to do |
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| 04:47.18 | nvz | zeeble: +E |
| 04:47.23 | zeeble | nvz: thanks. |
| 04:47.37 | lunitik | devrethman: Ever used Yoper? Novell hired their lead devel to develop SUPER... very fast, and he's barely gotten started :) |
| 04:47.38 | phyrster | rking: svn, you mean configure a svn server? |
| 04:47.46 | eeyore- | so ... anybody affected by katrina? |
| 04:47.51 | zinosat | dondelelcaro, so I don't have to set "Port 443" anymore on sshd_config, right? |
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| 04:47.55 | elisboa | dondelelcaro, yeah, they're from the alioth repository, but how can I check my apt-cache policy? |
| 04:47.55 | devrethman | lunitik: where would i go about getting that? |
| 04:48.11 | lunitik | devrethman: SUSE wiki tells about it... |
| 04:48.18 | devrethman | ewwwww |
| 04:48.19 | devrethman | suse |
| 04:48.23 | devrethman | i used suse once... |
| 04:48.23 | dondelelcaro | alfrede: just run apt-cache policy |
| 04:48.24 | lunitik | devrethman: opensuse.org ... search SUPER |
| 04:48.28 | dondelelcaro | s/alfrede/elisboa/ |
| 04:48.28 | nvz | zeeble: I use +CEei. No ctcp, no external messages from unidentified, and invisible.. together they help fight idiots and spambots alike |
| 04:48.31 | dondelelcaro | zinosat: nope |
| 04:48.49 | fas3r | when i finish to configure config.inc.php for phpmyadmin .. i restart apache or mysql? |
| 04:48.50 | elisboa | dondelelcaro, I'will paste it, ok? |
| 04:48.54 | lunitik | devrethman: SUSE is technically very good... and its devel structures are very good also now... |
| 04:49.01 | dondelelcaro | elisboa: better to use the paster bot, because the output is long |
| 04:49.07 | devrethman | well, i tried it back in version 8.1 |
| 04:49.10 | lunitik | devrethman: other than a crap community, one really can't say anything bad about SUSE. |
| 04:49.10 | dondelelcaro | elisboa: but if you feel like using #flood, you can |
| 04:49.12 | zeeble | nvz: sounds like a good plan. i've received more spam invites today than all of the last 4-5 years combined |
| 04:49.16 | devrethman | and it was terrible |
| 04:49.27 | mombof | zeeble, me too |
| 04:49.43 | zinosat | dondelelcaro, super cool. thanx. If everything will be fine I'll be on this channel from the office later on today :)) |
| 04:49.44 | nvz | zeeble: I only had one because I only have +ei set in my config and one slipped through before the /umode +CE |
| 04:49.46 | eeyore- | lunitik: really? i can |
| 04:50.02 | nvz | I am not sure how to set +CE in my config but I will get around to finding out eventually |
| 04:50.04 | devrethman | like all the out of date packages |
| 04:50.07 | lakcaj | there package manager (last time I used it) was brutally slow |
| 04:50.09 | zeeble | mombof: register your nickname and set the modes. better after that. |
| 04:50.15 | lakcaj | *their even |
| 04:50.21 | elisboa | dondelelcaro, I am indifferent, but I liked the pastebot. Check it: http://channels.debian.net/paste/599 - and thanks for helping me this far |
| 04:50.24 | lunitik | eeyore-: like what? (yast isn't slow here, they no longer use suseplugger for gnome) |
| 04:50.34 | deadcat | openoffice is so huge and it doesnt have a powerpoint software thing? |
| 04:50.34 | eeyore- | lunitik: i hated the way they keep (and organize) updates for their releases. waste of *my* time trying to update multiple machines |
| 04:50.41 | mark_ | is their an app like system monitor for xfce4 apart from top? |
| 04:50.49 | lakcaj | deadcat, ooimpress |
| 04:50.50 | devrethman | well, the packages are still stuck at whatever version was out when they released the CD's |
| 04:50.51 | eeyore- | lunitik: and the confusing, duplicate packages on their ftp sites ... |
| 04:50.52 | lunitik | eeyore-: you hate deltarpm's? |
| 04:50.54 | deadcat | whos legs i have to hump to get a presentation software? |
| 04:50.59 | jnc | deadcat: OpenOffice Presenter |
| 04:51.00 | jnc | no? |
| 04:51.02 | deadcat | lakcaj: is that part of oo? |
| 04:51.06 | lakcaj | yes |
| 04:51.09 | zeeble | mark_: ? xosview, gkrellm, gdesklets? |
| 04:51.18 | dondelelcaro | elisboa: ok, you probably won't be able to install the kde 3.4.1 packages at all unless you're actually running unstable. |
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| 04:51.25 | lunitik | eeyore-: supplementary is like testing... other than that, I don't see duplicates? |
| 04:51.26 | eeyore- | lunitik: this must be something new, because what got me pissed about suse was their lack of *any* sane package management tool . go back a few versions |
| 04:51.31 | deadcat | lakcaj: jnc ah. i see oo impress |
| 04:51.33 | elisboa | ok, god... |
| 04:51.39 | mark_ | ok thanks zeeble |
| 04:51.42 | elisboa | I will dist-upgrade it, then... |
| 04:51.44 | deadcat | no humping no legs tonight. )= |
| 04:51.51 | nvz | elisboa: not so fast :P |
| 04:51.54 | lakcaj | deadcat, In the last month I have used, to some degree, just about every presentation app available for linux. I've finally settled on S5 for various reasons. |
| 04:51.57 | rking | phyrster: well, svn can work without a server -- just using files as a repository. it's a task to learn, but well worth it. |
| 04:51.57 | nvz | elisboa: think about it a little bit |
| 04:52.01 | elisboa | nvz, So, what can I do? |
| 04:52.02 | devrethman | lunitik: i'm with eeyore, last time i used debian, yast sucked royally |
| 04:52.13 | lunitik | eeyore-: oh, I know... before 9.x, YOU was horrible... getting much better though... and deltarpm's are very nice (only download the changes... rather than a whole new rpm) |
| 04:52.20 | deadcat | lakcaj: whats S5? |
| 04:52.26 | nvz | elisboa: sid upgrades you to gcc4 and xorg.. these are major changes you may be going for new kde and end up with no X or even worse |
| 04:52.33 | lunitik | eeyore-: I think dpkg should implement something like that .. very good idea imo |
| 04:52.40 | lakcaj | deadcat, http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ |
| 04:52.44 | nvz | elisboa: I'd spend more than 2 seconds thinking about it |
| 04:52.52 | lunitik | devrethman: he didn't even bring up yast... I did |
| 04:52.53 | elisboa | nvz, Do you get the idea? I am on sarge, trying to install a full KDE 3.4.1 from alioth repository |
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| 04:53.09 | devrethman | lunitik: at the time that was the package manager |
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| 04:53.19 | devrethman | but i was also a total n00b so i may have missed something |
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| 04:53.23 | eeyore- | lunitik: i like dpkg/emerge just fine. just give me something *simple* to manage lots of machines. i don't want to manually download rpm's on each machine |
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| 04:53.24 | manu_ | hi |
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| 04:53.38 | elisboa | nvz, hmm, I am comming from Ubuntu Breezy, hehe. gcc I don't know, but xorg was pretty good |
| 04:53.50 | eeyore- | lunitik: delta'd or not ... |
| 04:53.50 | deadcat | lakcaj: what kind of software that doesnt have screenshots? (= |
| 04:53.55 | nvz | elisboa: I wouldnt bother with it at all. in fact I would --purge whatever kde I did have installed.. I am just asking you to be sensible and think before you upgrade to sid right now. there are some major changes there |
| 04:54.03 | mwilson | How can you be coming from that which does not exist yet? |
| 04:54.04 | elisboa | The thing is... is it possible to use kde 3.4.1 with sarge? |
| 04:54.05 | zinosat | dondelelcaro, on the webserver of my router, when configuring port fwding, you can set ip addr,protocol,port range.I set port 443... how do I tell it to forward it to 22? |
| 04:54.22 | mwilson | Breezy's release date is sometime in October. |
| 04:54.22 | nvz | elisboa: yeah well I am not sure what the status is of our xorg packages If I were you I would look into it more.. check the BTS..etc |
| 04:54.23 | lunitik | eeyore-: I'd think its possible to push RPM's to each box... although, that might be why they are planning to implement opencarpet into yast... I'm not sure... |
| 04:54.25 | manu_ | hello |
| 04:54.28 | lakcaj | deadcat, I like markup languages, they just seem to work for me better than WYSIWYG |
| 04:54.30 | dondelelcaro | elisboa: probably not until it's actually backported, no. |
| 04:54.34 | manu_ | I have a problem with my debian |
| 04:54.45 | manu_ | does anyone knows a bit about OSS and ALSA? |
| 04:54.48 | lakcaj | deadcat, I'm also a latex guy, so I guess S5 is similar |
| 04:54.48 | zeeble | manu_: a little more specific. |
| 04:54.48 | devrethman | manu_: so do I |
| 04:54.51 | eeyore- | lunitik: so, how would *you* updates, say, 10 machines? |
| 04:54.52 | lunitik | eeyore-: The concept of only downloading the changes to a package is very nice though... thats all I wish Debian would implement |
| 04:54.52 | manu_ | :) |
| 04:54.58 | elisboa | nvz, Ok, i already did a aptitude '~nkde' |
| 04:55.15 | manu_ | I have both ubuntu and debian |
| 04:55.17 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, i figured out the cmd: thing |
| 04:55.18 | deadcat | lakcaj: ah.. i dont know these fancy word thing. so i just go with wysiwyg |
| 04:55.21 | Seb | devrethman: it does have a presentation show ;) |
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| 04:55.22 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: cool |
| 04:55.26 | lunitik | eeyore-: I've honestly never had to... so can't say... probably via apt-proxy or red/open carpet though... |
| 04:55.26 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, there was a channel option i needed to enable :> |
| 04:55.29 | manu_ | and ubunutu does seem to configure correctly my sounds card |
| 04:55.30 | elisboa | dondelelcaro, You mean that KDE has dependencies wich are not avaliable on sarge? |
| 04:55.39 | dondelelcaro | elisboa: almost certainly |
| 04:55.40 | manu_ | and I have the choice between ALSA and OSS |
| 04:55.50 | manu_ | but with debian sid.. I only have OSS |
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| 04:55.59 | lunitik | manu_: Sarge did here... |
| 04:56.01 | deadcat | is there a xorg status page? gravity said -6 is coming out and i dont see it. |
| 04:56.05 | lakcaj | manu_, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-oss && alsaconf |
| 04:56.09 | dondelelcaro | elisboa: since experimental is usually built using unstable packages (or in some cases, experimental) |
| 04:56.11 | elisboa | dondelelcaro, should I consider etch before sid? |
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| 04:56.22 | da_silva | !dpkg kernel |
| 04:56.24 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.13, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-pre3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.13-rc6-mm2 |
| 04:56.24 | Seb | there, ignores = ( { level = "MSGS"; pattern = "webcamera"; fullword = "yes"; } ); |
| 04:56.24 | deadcat | elisboa: if you have to ask. DONT |
| 04:56.26 | manu_ | lakcaj: I thought it was par of the kernel now? |
| 04:56.30 | mwilson | deadcat: Posting on debian-x said it was being uploaded tomorrow. |
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| 04:56.38 | deadcat | mwilson: thanks. |
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| 04:56.51 | dondelelcaro | elisboa: yes; your best bet is to wait for kde 3.4.1 to enter testing which will probably happen in a month or so. |
| 04:56.55 | deadcat | mwilson: wait a min.. gravity said "tomorrow" on friday. (= |
| 04:57.01 | dondelelcaro | elisboa: if you want to help out #debian-kde is the place to go |
| 04:57.07 | lakcaj | manu_, you still need the init scripts and the utilities, the kernel just has the modules |
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| 04:57.21 | mwilson | deadcat: I have no idea what he *said*... I wasn't here. I only know what the posting said. |
| 04:57.22 | elisboa | nvz, I don't know about gcc, I can go back to 3.3.5 changing the links in /usr/bin, and xorg didin't give e any headache at all... |
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| 04:57.26 | lakcaj | manu_, and alsa-oss is a compatibility layer for apps looking for oss devices |
| 04:57.29 | manu_ | ok. I am going to try that |
| 04:57.32 | elisboa | dondelelcaro, thanks a lot |
| 04:57.42 | dondelelcaro | elisboa: np |
| 04:57.48 | mwilson | elisboa: Or you can actually leave the symlinks alone and learn how to use the compiler instead. |
| 04:57.57 | manu_ | the thing is when I use esound from gnome the sound gets scratchy until I start playing music |
| 04:58.02 | manu_ | and the mic does not work |
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| 04:58.30 | elisboa | mwilson, Hmm, what do you mean by learn howto use? |
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| 04:58.34 | dondelelcaro | elisboa: you just go make CC=gcc-3.4 or similar, instead. |
| 04:58.36 | jkern | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.36 | lakcaj | manu_, I don't use a sound server, I don't like them |
| 04:58.41 | manu_ | ok |
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| 04:58.46 | elisboa | mwilson, changing flags and stuff like that? |
| 04:58.52 | manu_ | so is OSS better than ALSA? |
| 04:58.55 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 04:58.56 | lakcaj | manu_, no |
| 04:58.59 | dondelelcaro | elisboa: less Makefile; will show you how the compiler is executed. |
| 04:59.08 | lakcaj | manu_, well, arguable, but ALSA replaced OSS |
| 04:59.18 | manu_ | ok.. so it is better to use ALSA then |
| 04:59.35 | mwilson | ALSA replaces OSS because it does things OSS does not. If you don't need those things, there's no reason to bother with ALSA. |
| 04:59.36 | lakcaj | I'm sure some OSS zeleot will chime in, but alsa is what you "should" use if it works for you |
| 04:59.38 | elisboa | well... on my timezone it is 02:00 AM, maybe I should think about it later :) |
| 04:59.52 | mwilson | lakcaj: There's no "should" about it. |
| 04:59.57 | manu_ | well I need the mic |
| 05:00.04 | fas3r | STOP SCRIPT KIDDIES !!!!! |
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| 05:00.12 | manu_ | and it does not work with OSS for some reason |
| 05:00.12 | SerajewelKS | fas3r, /topic |
| 05:00.28 | manu_ | when I use the sound recorder it complains about /dev/dsp |
| 05:00.29 | mwilson | lakcaj: The only "should" is that you should use what works. |
| 05:00.43 | mwilson | lakcaj: And does the job you need it to do in the way you need it done. |
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| 05:00.49 | one2 | madwifi users? here i need help with settin up on ubuntu laptop netgear wpn511 all the sites sayi ts supported so |
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| 05:00.59 | manu_ | well.. on ubuntu both works.. .so this is strange |
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| 05:01.09 | deadcat | so many spams lately |
| 05:01.12 | lunitik | one2: #ubuntu for ubuntu help |
| 05:01.14 | manu_ | do I need to reboot when the package are installed? |
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| 05:01.21 | ke6isf | one2: Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 05:01.32 | deadcat | one2: stick with ubuntu. |
| 05:01.35 | one2 | yeah i know but its the same shit |
| 05:01.38 | lunitik | ke6isf: moreso than most infact :) |
| 05:01.48 | lunitik | one2: no, no, its really not... |
| 05:01.49 | one2 | dont talk to me like im a newb you fool |
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| 05:02.03 | ke6isf | !debian based |
| 05:02.03 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 05:02.08 | lunitik | one2: Ubuntu is the single most patched Debian deriv around |
| 05:02.12 | mwilson | one2: Except that it's not, of course. |
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| 05:02.14 | deadcat | one2: you're a newb |
| 05:02.15 | ke6isf | one2: Oh, *that* is gonna help your case. |
| 05:02.15 | one2 | it is yes based |
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| 05:02.26 | ke6isf | one2: It is *DEBIAN BASED*, not Debian. |
| 05:02.27 | jkern | deadcat, if you use mode +E, can you still get dpkg responses? |
| 05:02.35 | dondelelcaro | jkern: yes |
| 05:02.37 | one2 | fuckin fools |
| 05:02.37 | deadcat | i know hes a newb. i've seen him in #newb |
| 05:02.38 | mwilson | one2: Ubuntu isn't even close to being the same as Debian. |
| 05:02.42 | lakcaj | manu_, no reboot required |
| 05:02.45 | ke6isf | !ubuntusmite one2 |
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| 05:02.50 | one2 | newb huh ask me somthin |
| 05:02.55 | deadcat | jkern: i dont know. |
| 05:02.56 | lakcaj | you can run alsamixer to adjust volumes and unmute the mic |
| 05:03.00 | black_13 | does the 2.6 kernel have ability have the compressed modules |
| 05:03.02 | ke6isf | one2: Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time. |
| 05:03.04 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to use dhclient to "aqcuire |
| 05:03.07 | lakcaj | manu_, you can run alsamixer to adjust volumes and unmute the mic |
| 05:03.12 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to use dhclient to "aqcuire" an IP address without setting it? |
| 05:03.29 | jkern | dondelelcaro, dpkg does not respond, e.g., /msg dpkg paster bot |
| 05:03.31 | deadcat | one2: who shot alexander hamilton? |
| 05:03.34 | SerajewelKS | someone has a rogue router on my network that's screwing over everyone else, and i want to test some DHCP stuff on it without losing my address |
| 05:03.38 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: You want to lease it, but not actually use it? Sure, lease it, then set what you want with ifconfig. |
| 05:03.42 | eeyore- | one2: ok, i'll bite. how do you control resource usage, specifically limit number of processes run by a particular user? |
| 05:03.43 | ke6isf | one2: OK, I'll ask you something. Why are you telling Debian people that we support Ubuntu when we keep telling you we don't? |
| 05:03.43 | black_13 | aaron burr |
| 05:03.45 | one2 | about anything linux |
| 05:03.49 | xfxfdx | YOU ARE ALL SOME F.U.C.K.I.N.G VIRGIN LOSERS WASTING YOUR TIME ON THE NET WHEN You COULD BE OUT LIVING LIFE I JUST CAME HERE TO TELL YOU THAT U IMBREDS |
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| 05:03.54 | deadcat | black_13: your nick one2? |
| 05:03.55 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 05:03.56 | one2 | what? |
| 05:03.56 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@S01060050bf916deb.vf.shawcable.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 05:03.57 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, i was hoping there was some kind of --test argument or something |
| 05:04.01 | ke6isf | one2: OK, I'll ask you something. Why are you telling Debian people that we support Ubuntu when we keep telling you we don't? |
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| 05:04.10 | black_13 | no i am or was black13 |
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| 05:04.12 | ke6isf | (well, he wanted me to repeat it... |
| 05:04.19 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, 'cause i don't want all my current connections to drop |
| 05:04.22 | deadcat | i might be a looser, but i am not a virgin (= |
| 05:04.28 | nvz | heh I didnt know not having sex for a certain period of time made me a virgin again |
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| 05:04.39 | da_silva | qka kari ki bre |
| 05:04.40 | lunitik | deadcat: you're looser? not something to boast about :P |
| 05:04.47 | black_13 | deadcat its quantity but quality i say |
| 05:04.50 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: I imagine there's some sort of testing tool somewhere... probably wouldn't be hard to write one, either. |
| 05:04.51 | one2 | im not telling anyone anything asshole i dont know who or what ur talkin about |
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| 05:04.53 | one2 | ! |
| 05:04.53 | ke6isf | nvz: Notionally speaking, there's this "second virginity" thin. |
| 05:04.54 | steve_ | hey- i got madwifi up and running- ath0 came up, |
| 05:04.54 | dondelelcaro | hey, better to be a looser than a loser |
| 05:04.55 | black_13 | something |
| 05:04.55 | eeyore- | one2: are you googling for the answer? |
| 05:04.59 | deadcat | lunitik: i find shits to boast about every once a while. |
| 05:05.09 | steve_ | but now ath0 doesn;t come up after i rebooted |
| 05:05.11 | lunitik | deadcat: wow... overshare |
| 05:05.18 | manu_ | lackcaj: so I ran the alsaconf |
| 05:05.27 | manu_ | and now I can run the alsamix |
| 05:05.28 | deadcat | lunitik: feel free to /ignore |
| 05:05.33 | ke6isf | one2: WE. DO. NOT. SUPPORT. UBUNTU. If you want help here, install Debian. I recommend Sarge. |
| 05:05.37 | jkern | dondelelcaro, dpkg does not respond, e.g., /msg dpkg paster bot |
| 05:05.38 | lakcaj | manu_, sure, alsamixer |
| 05:05.41 | zinosat | dondelelcaro, sorry, how can I test from home if things are set up right for ssh? something like "ssh -L 443:localhost:22 mylogin ?? |
| 05:05.41 | one2 | i got the answer the question was really geared towards someone who actually has this card and using mawifi in general |
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| 05:05.43 | black_13 | is the linux channel better for newbie questions |
| 05:05.45 | nvz | apperently abstinence automatically makes you a virgin even if you didnt decide on it until after you had sex |
| 05:05.48 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@cpe-66-87-4-181.ut.sprintbbd.net] by bob2 |
| 05:05.49 | lunitik | deadcat: wow... uhh... I was kidding. |
| 05:05.49 | lakcaj | manu_, did alsaconf detect your card? |
| 05:05.50 | deadcat | black_13: #linux |
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| 05:05.57 | black_13 | yes yes |
| 05:05.59 | manu_ | yes |
| 05:06.07 | ke6isf | !bob2++ |
| 05:06.11 | ke6isf | Thank you, bob2 |
| 05:06.13 | bob2 | also, stop being suck cocks |
| 05:06.15 | lakcaj | manu_, ok, use alsamixer to unmute the channels/mic |
| 05:06.15 | zinx | nvz: No, you've got it wrong |
| 05:06.15 | bob2 | er, such |
| 05:06.16 | steve_ | you a ham? |
| 05:06.23 | zinx | nvz: Using Linux makes you a virgin. |
| 05:06.23 | steve_ | ke6isf? |
| 05:06.27 | manu_ | it is sa |
| 05:06.31 | ke6isf | steve_: What's up? |
| 05:06.35 | eeyore- | one2: you said you're not a newbie, and you wanted to prove that by having someone ask you a linux-related question. i did. you didn't answer. it was an elementary linux question. you didn't answer so the conclusion i draw is that, in fact, you *are* a newbie |
| 05:06.37 | lunitik | bob2: fraudian slip? *g* |
| 05:06.37 | manu_ | it said : Now ALSA is ready to use. |
| 05:06.40 | steve_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.45 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: he's been +q'ed, let it go... |
| 05:06.48 | manu_ | it unloaded some module |
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| 05:06.53 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, `dhcping -v` almost works... it gives off the DHCP server address but doesn't ask for a lease |
| 05:06.57 | steve_ | hey- i got madwifi up and running- ath0 came up, |
| 05:06.58 | manu_ | and relaoaded them |
| 05:06.59 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: i am. i was just finishing what i started typing halfway :-) |
| 05:07.00 | steve_ | but now ath0 doesn;t come up after i rebooted |
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| 05:07.07 | Fracture | is it possible to install debian on a remote machine using vnc and net boot ? |
| 05:07.12 | lakcaj | manu_, ok, what's the problem? Something not working? |
| 05:07.14 | ke6isf | steve_: Ah, 73! |
| 05:07.22 | steve_ | 73's! |
| 05:07.22 | bob2 | Fracture: no |
| 05:07.25 | bob2 | Fracture: you could with ssh |
| 05:07.26 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: that always happen :-) i start typing something long, someone does +q, and i just like .. damn .. i don't want to delete this |
| 05:07.29 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Yeah, but he hasn't left. I think he still wants to hear it. =^^= |
| 05:07.43 | steve_ | ke6isf: you in college? |
| 05:07.45 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: This is why you always have more than one box. |
| 05:07.48 | ke6isf | steve_: Nope. |
| 05:07.49 | manu_ | no now it seems to work now :) |
| 05:07.55 | jkern | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.55 | manu_ | I am using xmms over ALSA |
| 05:07.57 | lakcaj | manu_, ok, great :) |
| 05:08.01 | manu_ | and it use not to work :) |
| 05:08.03 | steve_ | ke6isf: high school? |
| 05:08.06 | bob2 | one2: you're welcome to ask ubuntu questions in #ubuntu |
| 05:08.08 | Fracture | taa |
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| 05:08.12 | manu_ | now the gnome mixer is gone though |
| 05:08.19 | manu_ | maybe I need to logout and login again |
| 05:08.21 | ke6isf | steve_: Um, I'm 31. If I were still in high school, I think there'd be something wrong... =^^= |
| 05:08.27 | lakcaj | manu_, yeah, you will find most apps you can select alsa, like mplayer in config or with -ao alsa, xine has an alsa option, as does vlc |
| 05:08.37 | steve_ | ke6isf: d'oh! |
| 05:08.40 | manu_ | cool |
| 05:08.42 | ke6isf | steve_: No worries. |
| 05:08.47 | steve_ | ke6isf: you still active in ham radio? |
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| 05:08.57 | manu_ | and now esound works correctly too. |
| 05:09.03 | ke6isf | steve_: Not recently, regretfully. Last thing I did was the LA Marathon 2002. |
| 05:09.03 | lakcaj | manu_, it likely died when you unloaded the oss modules. Just add it back, and you can configure it to control the PCM or Master or whatever you want. |
| 05:09.04 | manu_ | it use to make some strange noises |
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| 05:09.22 | steve_ | ke6isf: oh |
| 05:09.32 | steve_ | ke6isf: i kinda fell out a while ago |
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| 05:09.37 | lakcaj | manu_, ok, glad it works for you... that's all we wanted :) |
| 05:09.38 | ke6isf | steve_: Only thing I have is an HTX202, and that's kinda gone quiet of late. |
| 05:09.49 | steve_ | ke6isf: i got an icom w32A |
| 05:10.03 | ke6isf | steve_: Well... I have an old SBE sideband HF rig, but no license to use it. =/ |
| 05:10.20 | manu_ | I am trying to add it but it does not work.. I am going to log out and try it again. But thanks anyway! it looks like I am closer to get everything working |
| 05:11.20 | ke6isf | That 'cane is moving slowly over nawlins. =( |
| 05:11.23 | nvz | I wonder where the hell files go from giftd when there are two completed= lines and the first one doesnt exist.. I dont know why I left my config in that situation but I did |
| 05:11.45 | eeyore- | heh, all i have is a cb :-) |
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| 05:11.58 | eeyore- | guess i can't play with you big boys |
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| 05:12.28 | ke6isf | eeyore-: Ah, chicken band! =^_^= |
| 05:12.41 | eeyore- | ke6isf: hey, it's good enough to work in the canyons :-) |
| 05:13.02 | ke6isf | eeyore-: Heh =^^= I'm just so used to hearing the crap over the airwaves after the commute. |
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| 05:14.09 | eeyore- | ke6isf: we happened to use chan. 19 on the last outing we went and every now and then we heard on the radio "there's a party of six jeeps" :-) |
| 05:14.15 | nvz | ah apperently it ignored the first one and used the 2nd line.. I just didnt see what I was looking for amongst the garbage |
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| 05:14.59 | eeyore- | ke6isf: we were saying something about running out of gas and people were asking where we were, but shoot, we were out in the canyons so it's not like there's a gas station nearby :-) |
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| 05:15.23 | lakcaj | I rolled my land rover over over |
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| 05:16.05 | eeyore- | lakcaj: shit, i almost rolled my kj saturday. there was a wash and the backend started slipping ... |
| 05:16.17 | lakcaj | eeyore-, :) |
| 05:16.36 | ke6isf | eeyore-: I guess then you got refueled. |
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| 05:16.51 | mmoscosa | How do you get th ip address?! |
| 05:16.59 | eeyore- | mmoscosa: for your computer? ifconfig -a |
| 05:17.03 | mmoscosa | thx |
| 05:17.16 | ke6isf | eeyore-: No discounting CB, I used to operate that too with a little squeaky radio shack rig. Kinda miss it, it was fun. |
| 05:17.32 | mmoscosa | another question, how do you send messages through the network, such as (netsend for windows) |
| 05:17.36 | ke6isf | eeyore-: Just kinda went downhill though ever since the license requirement was removed. |
| 05:17.43 | TraceGreen | bob2, hello, I can't join #ubuntu, Does it because i was forbidden to join in? Sorry for asking same quesions in both debian and ubuntu channel... |
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| 05:18.07 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, i can't bring another interface that uses the same hardware that eth0 uses, can i? |
| 05:18.10 | eeyore- | ke6isf: what i hate most is when some people would broadcast music over the cb. |
| 05:18.19 | ke6isf | TraceGreen: If you can't join #ubuntu, it should tell you *why* you can't join. |
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| 05:18.24 | nvz | I dont remember there ever being a lisc for CB I've used it for like 10 years or more.. I was real young when I got my first radio |
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| 05:18.41 | cat | everytime i join debian i get lot's of spam |
| 05:18.44 | ke6isf | eeyore-: You get morons out here on 2M that do that now and again. |
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| 05:18.55 | ke6isf | !tell cat -about spambots |
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| 05:19.59 | TraceGreen | ke6isf, sorry, but i really don't very understand about : ubuntu-unregged, it means forbid or overflow? sorry for this stupid question. |
| 05:20.01 | majnoon | gnea can you give me YOUR chroot install url ?? |
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| 05:20.42 | bob2 | TraceGreen: register your nick |
| 05:20.48 | ke6isf | TraceGreen: It appears you haven't identified your nick. |
| 05:21.00 | eeyore- | lakcaj: on trip to big bear a few months ago, we saw an xj rolled. the thing just *popped* shit all over the place. then when our group of kj's came down, the guy was like, "oh, no, you can't go through here. it's not safe. people are gonna be hurt" like he was real machine and stuff ... laff :-) he thought the little "grocery getters" weren't gonna make it. one by one, we did the right thing. (again, wash, back end starts to slip, *don't* do the gut |
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| 05:21.10 | Snig64 | does debian have qmail packaged into it? |
| 05:21.13 | bob2 | no |
| 05:21.14 | TraceGreen | bob2, thanks very much. |
| 05:21.20 | bob2 | since debian is not allowed to distribute qmail |
| 05:21.23 | bob2 | #qmail |
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| 05:21.29 | bob2 | or /msg dpkg qmail |
| 05:21.35 | eeyore- | lakcaj: s/machine/macho |
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| 05:21.45 | salahuddin | hello all how to remove kde and qt related package! |
| 05:21.48 | jm_ | but it has packages that let you create qmail package |
| 05:21.53 | gpm | call me lame, but i kinda want to check out the transparency that is apparently possible with xorg, what's the best way to do this (i've got the xorg in sid)?\ |
| 05:21.58 | cat | salahuddin: apt-get remove kde |
| 05:22.01 | jm_ | salahuddin: isn't it obvious? uninstall qt |
| 05:22.08 | mmoscosa | how do you i get my modem ip address?! is it the same that ifconfig?! |
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| 05:22.17 | majnoon | /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 05:22.21 | salahuddin | cat: n jm_: thanx |
| 05:22.25 | bob2 | gpm: enable composite (google knows how). install xcompmgr and transset from source |
| 05:22.26 | cat | mmoscosa: ifdown -a ifup -a |
| 05:22.27 | eeyore- | mmoscosa: the modem probably has two ip addresses, the internal and external one |
| 05:22.34 | bob2 | cat: er, that won't help |
| 05:22.36 | mmoscosa | ohh i see |
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| 05:22.39 | lakcaj | eeyore-, sounds like you've had your share of adventures! The only off road driving I've done was in the military, and the "drive it like you stole it, maintain it like you own it" motto was enforced :) |
| 05:22.42 | gpm | bob2: you need those programs? |
| 05:22.43 | cat | oh ic |
| 05:22.43 | mmoscosa | and what is the difference |
| 05:22.46 | manu_ | hey lakcaj |
| 05:22.49 | bob2 | gpm: yes... |
| 05:22.50 | eeyore- | mmoscosa: you might know the ip address of the side closest to you, but you have to get the other ip address from elsewhere |
| 05:22.51 | manu_ | so everything works! |
| 05:22.53 | lakcaj | manu_, hey |
| 05:22.56 | manu_ | thanks for your help |
| 05:22.58 | gpm | bob2: thanks |
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| 05:23.07 | manu_ | I restarted and now got alsa as a default |
| 05:23.12 | manu_ | my mic also is now working too |
| 05:23.23 | lakcaj | that's great! No problem at all. I'm just glad I didn't make things worse for you :) |
| 05:23.29 | manu_ | lol |
| 05:23.46 | manu_ | I am actually really liking the stability of debian |
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| 05:23.58 | manu_ | I installed a new webcam (creative labs) |
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| 05:24.04 | manu_ | and worked like a charm as well |
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| 05:24.10 | manu_ | easy to compile |
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| 05:24.26 | mmoscosa | eeyore- so you dont know what is the comand in linux that is like netsend in windows?!? |
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| 05:24.37 | bob2 | linpopup |
| 05:24.40 | mmoscosa | eeyore- thx about the other two replies |
| 05:24.43 | eeyore- | lakcaj: :-) yeah. no, we can't drive the kj's like you steal it (you're gonna explode the front dana 35 aluminum housing). hey, funny thing we saw saturday. up on the mountain, about 2000 feet or so up ... there was a wreck of a cadillac. who the heck drives a cadillac up a rocky mountain road in mojave? |
| 05:24.44 | bob2 | bear in mind all non-windows machines will ignore it |
| 05:24.49 | nvz | damn, just found a bug in synergy I think |
| 05:24.55 | eeyore- | mmoscosa: why would you do something like that? that's just not nice. |
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| 05:25.06 | mmoscosa | hahah |
| 05:25.14 | lakcaj | manu_, yeah... something useful in here is to "/msg dpkg listkeys <something you want to do>" to search the dpkg bot for info on tasks you are trying to do |
| 05:25.16 | mmoscosa | how come?!?! eeyore- |
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| 05:25.27 | lakcaj | manu_, for example, dpkg listkeys java |
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| 05:26.02 | manu_ | ah cool. I ll try that |
| 05:26.28 | manu_ | oh very nice. I ll use it more often then |
| 05:26.49 | nvz | I got two pcs connected with synergy one is at 800x600 and the other 1024x768 but I got it zoomed in to like 640x480 using ctrl+alt +/- because I am watching a movie and dont have accell to make it fullscreen so I cheated... anyhow when I move on the other screen the virtual desktop on that one scrolls around. I think thats a bug. |
| 05:27.30 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you there baby? |
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| 05:27.49 | ke6isf | !iyhtays mmoscosa |
| 05:27.50 | dpkg | mmoscosa: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 05:27.52 | lakcaj | eeyore-, when I was in Bosnia, there was a radio tower we would have to go patrol on the top of a mountain... a real mountain. I guess one of the British 10 tonnes e-brake let go and the thing rolled off the side of the mountain onto a plateau. The place was so full of land mines they had to just leave it there :) |
| 05:27.54 | manu_ | lakcaj : then how do I see the help? |
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| 05:28.41 | lakcaj | manu_, just msg dpkg whatever you want. For example, if you msg dpkg listkeys java and see there is a java-package, then msg dpkg java-package |
| 05:29.24 | manu_ | ok. great! I ll remember that |
| 05:29.31 | eeyore- | i have to finish up work and go sleep :-) good night, guys |
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| 05:29.39 | lakcaj | night eeyore- |
| 05:29.40 | manu_ | I used to send to the mailing list. but never get much answers |
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| 05:30.18 | manu_ | night lakcaj |
| 05:30.22 | manu_ | thanks for your help |
| 05:30.23 | lakcaj | manu_, 'night |
| 05:30.24 | lakcaj | np |
| 05:30.30 | edward_ | grr.. |
| 05:30.34 | edward_ | I tet lot's of spam.. :( |
| 05:30.47 | deadcat | edward_: try #whine |
| 05:30.49 | npx | kline these assholes plzthx |
| 05:30.55 | Flimzy | Is there a Debian package for the MythTV MythGame plugin? |
| 05:31.00 | lakcaj | deadcat, :) |
| 05:31.06 | ke6isf | !spambots |
| 05:31.06 | dpkg | spambots are annoying. If you want to prevent the messages from coming at you incessantly, go to http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#spambots and read up. |
| 05:31.07 | edward_ | deadcat, right... |
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| 05:32.39 | Xi-Phazor | spam bots are still at it |
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| 05:32.48 | ke6isf | !spambots Xi-Phazor |
| 05:32.52 | ke6isf | doh! |
| 05:32.54 | ke6isf | !spambots |
| 05:32.55 | dpkg | spambots are annoying. If you want to prevent the messages from coming at you incessantly, go to http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#spambots and read up. |
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| 05:33.06 | Xi-Phazor | ya i know |
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| 05:33.29 | ke6isf | Xi-Phazor: Well, if you know, then follow dpkg's instructions. |
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| 05:44.26 | concept10 | could someone please explain what is the purpose of the updatedb cronjob |
| 05:44.36 | jm_ | man updatedb |
| 05:44.45 | ke6isf | concept10: It updates the locate database so you can accurate locate files. |
| 05:45.18 | ke6isf | accurately, even. |
| 05:45.25 | concept10 | ke6isf: thanks |
| 05:45.30 | ke6isf | Gladly. |
| 05:46.37 | concept10 | I just added another harddisk to my system, it already has linux on it, how do I identify which has sarge on it ? |
| 05:47.01 | cat | how can i mount my usb floppy? |
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| 05:47.21 | ke6isf | concept10: Make sure it's not in the boot order in BIOS, I'd suspect. |
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| 05:50.04 | jkern | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:50.41 | concept10 | cat: same as mounting anything else, watch /var/log/messages and get the device name and mount it |
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| 05:52.11 | MrGenius | how to install debian msg me plz |
| 05:52.16 | dondelelcaro | MrGenius: /topic |
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| 05:52.22 | ke6isf | !tell MrGenius -about install debian |
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| 05:53.12 | shark_ | anyone willing to write on a linux wiki? |
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| 05:53.33 | jm_ | not such a genius, is he |
| 05:53.34 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: I think that 62.217.133.194 is one more source of spambots. |
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| 05:53.49 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Ditto with @*buddha.sv3.net.ua. |
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| 05:53.54 | ke6isf | *@ even. |
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| 05:56.25 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: You're picking up on the pattern too, aren't you? |
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| 05:57.02 | jkern | !jkern paster bot |
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| 05:57.49 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: it's just not really worth the time to ban the things since there are so many of them |
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| 05:58.06 | Montre-Composite | their quite an annoyance, I get like 2 pms a minute |
| 05:58.19 | dondelelcaro | Montre-Composite: /topic; /mode Montre-Composite +E |
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| 05:58.31 | Montre-Composite | o.O |
| 05:58.41 | SimonRaven | even debhelper gets annoyed ;p |
| 05:58.43 | zeeble | umode +iE seems to have helped me. |
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| 05:59.02 | Montre-Composite | k :P |
| 05:59.26 | cheal | !tell jkern about listkeys paster |
| 05:59.59 | jkern | i got that one though |
| 06:00.07 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: True enough. If anything, it keeps the channel a little quieter. |
| 06:00.21 | ke6isf | !tell Montre-Composite -about spambots |
| 06:00.32 | ke6isf | Montre-Composite: Read up on dpkg's instructions to you. |
| 06:00.37 | Montre-Composite | this server is crazy |
| 06:00.39 | dondelelcaro | jkern: it helps if you actually ask dpkg something that it can parse |
| 06:00.41 | Montre-Composite | I did the +E thing 0.0 |
| 06:00.51 | zeeble | Montre-Composite: and? |
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| 06:00.56 | dondelelcaro | Montre-Composite: well, then you shouldn't get any more messages from the spambots |
| 06:01.02 | Montre-Composite | they seemed to have disappeared :P |
| 06:01.08 | Montre-Composite | thanks =D |
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| 06:02.18 | jkern | dondelelcaro, it is now working fine "/msg dpkg java" or anything else did not work for the last half hour or so. Thanks |
| 06:02.19 | jm_ | until they figure out +E business :) |
| 06:02.38 | zeeble | heh. yeah. |
| 06:02.46 | dondelelcaro | jm_: yeah, but it's much easier to deal with them then, since registering takes some intelligence |
| 06:02.50 | ke6isf | jm_: They have to register nicks for that. They rotate nicks to get around /ignore or +b in channels - so that's probably harder to do, if not marginally. |
| 06:03.11 | bubshait | question, How do I set up secondary routes in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 06:03.24 | jm_ | ke6isf: it's just a matter of adding two more commands to the script |
| 06:03.48 | jm_ | the fuckers will adapt, like with email spam |
| 06:03.52 | ke6isf | jm_: What, registering, or dodging? |
| 06:04.00 | jm_ | but to be honest, bogofilter is doing good job for me lately |
| 06:04.04 | jm_ | ke6isf: registering |
| 06:04.23 | ke6isf | jm_: If you register, you can get an IP. You ban the IP. If it's a bunch of them, you block the entire bunch. |
| 06:04.25 | dondelelcaro | bubshait: the easiest method is to add a up hook that adds the appropriate route; point-to-point may work for some things |
| 06:04.49 | ke6isf | jm_: Kinda brute force, but no other real way to do it. |
| 06:05.19 | jm_ | ke6isf: heh no, I was talking in terms of spambot owners, not the person who wants to get rid of them |
| 06:05.41 | ke6isf | jm_: Ah. |
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| 06:05.58 | ke6isf | jm_: The same thing would apply, just looked at differently. |
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| 06:06.33 | ke6isf | jm_: Yeah, they add the two lines, but by doing so they pretty mcuh sign their kline warrant. |
| 06:06.50 | jm_ | ke6isf: yes, but there's shitloads of open proxies/owned machines/whatever out there that they're abusing for such purposes, so keeping track of it requires a lot of effort |
| 06:07.48 | ke6isf | jm_: Indeed. |
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| 06:08.26 | ke6isf | jm_: I dream of the day where you find a back door into the zombie, as to send a "self-destruct" to the entire network. =^^= |
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| 06:09.17 | jm_ | ke6isf: kinda like what Metlstorm did for SSH? |
| 06:09.31 | ke6isf | jm_: Metlstorm? |
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| 06:09.41 | SimonRaven | spammers have pretty much run out of tricks... |
| 06:09.59 | jm_ | ke6isf: very interesting reading, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A//www.grupohg.net.mx/debian/Speeches/DC_13-Metlstorm/DC_13-Metlstorm.pdf&ei=naYSQ_y2I7KoRdXE6ewK |
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| 06:10.07 | jm_ | yay for URL-s, let me get the right one ;) |
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| 06:10.15 | jm_ | www.grupohg.net.mx/debian/Speeches/DC_13-Metlstorm/DC_13-Metlstorm.pdf |
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| 06:10.36 | moe_ | I am trying to setup my apt prefernces file can I get some1 to look over it to make sure its right? thanks |
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| 06:10.56 | SimonRaven | spammers have pretty much run out of tricks... |
| 06:10.59 | ke6isf | jm_: Not loading. |
| 06:11.05 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Yeah, you mentioned that. |
| 06:11.07 | jm_ | ke6isf: use the second URL |
| 06:11.14 | ke6isf | jm_: Same thing. |
| 06:11.22 | ke6isf | jm_: Lemme google it. |
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| 06:11.30 | jm_ | ke6isf: WFM |
| 06:11.31 | SimonRaven | ok, just wondering, since the fucking isp is incompetent |
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| 06:11.58 | zinosat_work | dondelecaro, hi! sorry again: you remember me asking for help a few minutes ago for ssh/sshd setup? well: I'm at work and forgot to send here the public ip addr I have to use!is it possible from the log to see it and paste it? I was connected to d-boot and d-d as well. thanx in advance |
| 06:11.59 | SimonRaven | they weren't incompetent... |
| 06:12.04 | SimonRaven | and really nice |
| 06:12.13 | ke6isf | jm_: Kinda weird. Lemme wget it and read w/ xpdf. |
| 06:12.18 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: You should use Speakeasy then. |
| 06:12.23 | cheal | SimonRaven: what's your current ISP? |
| 06:12.27 | dondelelcaro | zinosat_work: host85-87.pool8256.interbusiness.it |
| 06:12.32 | SimonRaven | i'm not USian |
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| 06:12.51 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Well, that kinda puts a damper on things, then. |
| 06:12.53 | moe_ | you can see my preferences file at: http://www.users.on.net/~mmckinnon/preferences.txt |
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| 06:13.13 | zinosat_work | dondelecaro, thanx a million... hope I can build the right address from thos numbers. I owe you a beer ;) |
| 06:13.24 | dondelelcaro | zinosat_work: heh. no worries. |
| 06:13.47 | jm_ | speaking of spammers - are there any plans of hiding email addresses on BTS? |
| 06:13.55 | dondelelcaro | jm_: no |
| 06:14.00 | SimonRaven | not really, i'm happy not to live there. this polic state that says i have no aboriginal title is enough, thankyouverymuch ;) |
| 06:14.09 | streuner | How many users have AOLHell? |
| 06:14.16 | mike1980 | Hi guys can some one please help me i can't get my graphics working. My video is onboard and this is my mother board http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/INTEL/2510250/2510250nv.shtml? |
| 06:14.29 | dondelelcaro | jm_: see #63995 |
| 06:14.39 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 06:15.06 | jm_ | mike1980: lspci will identify what's on it |
| 06:15.27 | mike1980 | ok |
| 06:15.29 | mike1980 | thanks |
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| 06:16.01 | SimonRaven | cheal: cyrbersurf... at least the phone tech support people have a clue. the net admins don't seem to have any. we're gonna switch to another one soon. means another IP block switch though, and i'm not looking forward to that *AT ALL* |
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| 06:16.50 | cheal | SimonRaven: ok, I didn't know that one. I'm quite happy with VIF |
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| 06:16.57 | zinosat_work | dondelecaro,mmm.. at home I tried to ssh into localhost using port 443 and worked. here it complains "ssh: connect to host 85.87.82.56 port 443: Connection timed out" any hints? |
| 06:17.25 | mike1980 | JM_ it says Intel Corp. 82815 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 02) |
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| 06:17.59 | concept10 | could someone tell me a way to determine which harddisk I have sarge installed on? I have another two harddisks in this box with linux distros installed |
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| 06:18.47 | Coke | concept10: check with a partition manager to see where you have something that looks like a gnu isntallation |
| 06:19.03 | dondelelcaro | zinosat_work: it could be being blocked or something... try telneting to 443 and see what actually happens |
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| 06:19.10 | doleyb | concept10: mount all the disks, and look for which one contains /usr/bin/dpkg |
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| 06:19.32 | jkern | concept10, from linux cat /etc/fstab |
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| 06:19.50 | dondelelcaro | concept10: or just mount them and look for /etc/debian_version |
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| 06:20.07 | Coke | Damn it. Anybody else getting pr0n-spam from bots on freenode? Where should this be reported? |
| 06:20.18 | SimonRaven | RTFT |
| 06:20.23 | jm_ | mike1980: so i810 stuff |
| 06:20.24 | streuner | Coke: /topic |
| 06:20.28 | SimonRaven | read the fucking /topic |
| 06:20.29 | jnc | Coke: freenode staff already know about it |
| 06:20.29 | Coke | ah. |
| 06:20.33 | concept10 | I dont understand, they are already mounted |
| 06:21.04 | streuner | Why the fuck is whole AOL banned? |
| 06:21.18 | dondelelcaro | streuner: because it should be? |
| 06:21.26 | SimonRaven | hahaha :) |
| 06:21.28 | streuner | banning AOL is insane |
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| 06:21.40 | dondelelcaro | if anyone is actually using it, they can ask for a +e |
| 06:21.50 | Coke | Already did it, just wondered if someone should be told. |
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| 06:22.03 | SimonRaven | they know, and are working on it |
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| 06:22.23 | jnc | s/banning/using/ |
| 06:22.30 | ke6isf | jm_: If what I'm reading is correct, then yeah, kinda like that. |
| 06:22.37 | Coke | I can't find mode +E in the IRSSI help, what the heck does it do anyway? |
| 06:22.44 | mwilson | You know, I must be the only person not getting any of this spam. I don't know whether to be grateful or offended. |
| 06:22.50 | ke6isf | !tell coke -about spambots |
| 06:22.54 | dutchfish | how to squize as much data from un unmountable partition on a broken IDE disk ext3? Are there any software tools anyone could recommend? |
| 06:22.59 | jm_ | Coke: it's a server thing - I hope this new server has better documentation than dancer ;) |
| 06:23.00 | ke6isf | Coke: Follow dpkg's instructions. |
| 06:23.02 | streuner | jnc: that's another question, but keep in mind AOL is the biggest ISP in the world... |
| 06:23.06 | SimonRaven | Coke: /mode $nick +E |
| 06:23.24 | dondelelcaro | streuner: right, but since the +b has been put in place, no one from AOL has even tried to join. |
| 06:23.25 | jkern | When I use the paster bot site, when does the stuff get pasted -- should I be able to see it? |
| 06:23.32 | Flimzy | dutchfish, If it's unmountable, you're probably screwed for the most part. |
| 06:23.36 | dondelelcaro | jkern: it's there, just paste the url here |
| 06:23.38 | SimonRaven | how often do you see aol (l)users here without the ban? |
| 06:23.39 | Flimzy | dutchfish, You can try dd'ing it. |
| 06:23.46 | Flimzy | dutchfish, Then massaging the resulting file image. |
| 06:23.47 | Coke | ke6isf & SimonRaven: sorry, jm_ was the only one who understood the question, you both get F's. |
| 06:23.57 | Flimzy | dutchfish, You might want to make a script that will dd a single block at a time |
| 06:23.59 | jnc | streuner: is that true? |
| 06:23.59 | ke6isf | eh |
| 06:24.06 | streuner | SimonRaven: not that often |
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| 06:24.12 | dutchfish | Filmzy, i already dd'd it? but now i am stuck |
| 06:24.15 | SimonRaven | Coke: i wasn't looking for a mark. -3 Troll |
| 06:24.17 | Flimzy | dutchfish, So that when it comes to a bad sector, it doesn't abort... but will instead continue to dd the rest of the disk. |
| 06:24.19 | dondelelcaro | Coke: the stuff that dpkg told you has the documentation for +E. |
| 06:24.20 | ke6isf | streuner: How many Debian users you know using AOL? |
| 06:24.20 | jm_ | dutchfish: try ddrescue |
| 06:24.23 | Flimzy | dutchfish, did you dd the entire thing? |
| 06:24.27 | jkern | http://channels.debian.net/paste/601 |
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| 06:24.32 | SimonRaven | Coke: ;p |
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| 06:24.35 | dutchfish | Flimzy, yes |
| 06:24.39 | Coke | dondelelcaro: no. |
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| 06:24.41 | ke6isf | Coke: That URL from dpkg contains an explanation of +E. |
| 06:24.53 | Flimzy | dutchfish, Then make a backup copy of the dd... then try running fsck, or other repair tools on the image |
| 06:25.05 | Coke | dondelelcaro: or, yes, but the point was that the documentation was missing. |
| 06:25.18 | SimonRaven | so say so |
| 06:25.25 | dutchfish | Flimzy, fchk is unaible to copp with it |
| 06:25.26 | Coke | ke6isf: which still was not what I was looking for, but thanks. |
| 06:25.31 | dondelelcaro | Coke: yes, but you asked "what the heck does it do anyway?" which was what was answered. |
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| 06:25.45 | Flimzy | dutchfish, then you're probably screwed, short of manually hacking the data with a hex editor |
| 06:26.06 | jm_ | dutchfish: read above and then there are alternate superblocks if first one is fucked |
| 06:26.12 | jkern | dondelelcaro, doh! I understand now. Thanks again! |
| 06:26.12 | dutchfish | Filmzy, are there any (even non-free) tools? |
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| 06:26.24 | Flimzy | dutchfish, maybe. google |
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| 06:26.45 | dutchfish | Flimzy, i already did, but nothing so far came up |
| 06:26.48 | Flimzy | dutchfish, they'd probably be for Windows |
| 06:26.58 | dutchfish | Filmzy, yup :( |
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| 06:27.08 | Flimzy | dutchfish, what filesystem did the drive have? |
| 06:27.16 | dutchfish | Flimzy, etx3 |
| 06:27.27 | Flimzy | dutchfish, Did you dd the entire disk, or just the partition you need? |
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| 06:28.06 | dutchfish | Flimzy, the other 2 partitions i could mount and copy, only one partiotion (the bad one) i did dd on it |
| 06:28.20 | Flimzy | dutchfish, okay, good |
| 06:28.34 | Flimzy | dutchfish, sounds like you're probalby up a creek, unfortunately |
| 06:28.38 | dutchfish | Flimzy, and thats the 1 with the important data |
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| 06:28.58 | LX34on_cam | dpkg cups |
| 06:28.58 | dpkg | cups is, like, a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 06:29.17 | dutchfish | Filmzy, i loop mounted the copy and got debrish |
| 06:29.22 | LX34on_cam | dpkg /msg cups setup |
| 06:30.07 | ke6isf | !tell LX34on_cam -about msg the bot |
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| 06:30.44 | jkern | LX34on_cam, try " /msg dpkg cups setup " |
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| 06:31.01 | dutchfish | jm_, is ddrescue able to fix many bad blocks? |
| 06:31.15 | jm_ | dutchfish: it's not able to fix anything, the idea is to try and read it multiple times |
| 06:31.35 | dutchfish | jm_, a reviving tool, sounds hopefull |
| 06:32.00 | dutchfish | jm_, thx! |
| 06:32.04 | streuner | SimonRaven: What would you think, if somebody saying 'We banning now sympatico.ca, because we do not see them very often here'? |
| 06:32.08 | jm_ | dutchfish: sometimes letting a disk cool down and then trying to read from it helps |
| 06:32.33 | zinosat_work | dondelecaro, believe or not I have no telnet in my bloody cygwin installation.I'm running sarge inside a qemu VM!how do I specify proxy parameters from command line? |
| 06:32.35 | dutchfish | jm_, when the errors came it was really hot |
| 06:32.37 | SimonRaven | eh |
| 06:32.43 | SimonRaven | heh even |
| 06:32.44 | Flimzy | streuner: The difference is that 99% of sympatico.ca users aren't inherently too stupid to be using Debian. |
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| 06:32.57 | dondelelcaro | zinosat_work: dunno |
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| 06:33.09 | jm_ | dutchfish: well yeah, mine runs at 41C at work, about 46C at home |
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| 06:33.28 | dutchfish | jm_, it was well above 40 degrees celcius |
| 06:33.38 | SimonRaven | hmm i wonder if a cmos reset will work on that thing... |
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| 06:34.49 | npx | RELAX WONDERGIRL |
| 06:35.20 | nvz | wondergirl? |
| 06:35.26 | zinosat_work | does anybody know how to specify proxy parameters from a shell? I tried to export http_proxy=proxy:port but did not work |
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| 06:35.43 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, that's the normal way... assuming your application recognizes that |
| 06:35.49 | SimonRaven | streuner: fyi, i couldn't give a shit about sympatico |
| 06:36.07 | zinosat_work | Flimzy, the applixation is ssh |
| 06:36.17 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, ssh doesn't use http proxies |
| 06:36.19 | newbdeb | trouble printing with cups, printer is installed and also ppd |
| 06:36.24 | SimonRaven | they act like the monopoly they are |
| 06:36.29 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, so naturally it will ignore the http_proxy setting |
| 06:36.35 | cheal | sympatico? ugh |
| 06:36.48 | zinosat_work | Flimzy, lynx doen not either |
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| 06:36.58 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, Lynx does use the $http_proxy setting |
| 06:37.07 | cheal | oh, but haven't you seen sympatico.msn.ca? it's full of colors! |
| 06:37.20 | SimonRaven | oooh *pukes* |
| 06:37.21 | zinosat_work | Flimzy, so it *should* work |
| 06:37.26 | streuner | SimonRaven: well, that's prolly another question |
| 06:37.31 | jm_ | zinosat_work: you need to specify it properly and it'll work |
| 06:38.02 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, It should work for lynx. |
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| 06:38.29 | jkern | zinosat_work, man ssh has something about " -o " like " ProxyCommand " ?? |
| 06:38.35 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, I'm still puzzled as to what you think ssh would do with an http_proxy, tho |
| 06:38.46 | zinosat_work | Flimzi,jm_ sorry, you would not beleieve how I'm usin IRC... |
| 06:38.54 | SimonRaven | sympatico is the reason istop is now shut down. and they've done other "anti-competitive" shit in the past too. whichever angle you come at them, they suck |
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| 06:39.09 | SimonRaven | just don't get me fucking started ;) |
| 06:39.09 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, More like... I wouldn't care how you're using IRC |
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| 06:39.12 | newbdeb | trouble printing with cups, printer is installed and also ppd |
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| 06:39.53 | SimonRaven | newbdeb: start by a) not repeating b) stating the nature of the problem |
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| 06:40.37 | Supaplex | newbdeb: and c) checking the error logs |
| 06:40.38 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, But unless you're running IRC over pppd over an ssh tunnel through htun through an http proxy... then I'm sure however you're connecting to IRC is much less complicated than things I've done before |
| 06:41.09 | curby | weird... in /proc/stat, the number of jiffies the CPU spends idling has reached a plateau ... anyone know why? |
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| 06:41.22 | nvz | jkern: your daughter is a theif? |
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| 06:41.31 | zinosat_work | Flimzy,I'm tryin to ssh into my machine from work, which has a bloody proxy |
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| 06:41.38 | Mortalman | How would I go about figuring out which serial port my UPS is attached to ?? |
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| 06:41.56 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, So what's the problem? |
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| 06:41.56 | nvz | Mortalman: follow the cord from the UPS |
| 06:42.30 | zinosat_work | Flimzy, can't connect. connection timed out on port 443 |
| 06:42.37 | Mortalman | nvz: lol, /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1. How would I figure that out? |
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| 06:42.55 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, You're trying to use port 443 for ssh? |
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| 06:43.03 | ke6isf | zinosat_work: ssh is port 22. |
| 06:43.17 | zinosat_work | 443 is the only port one here |
| 06:43.27 | zinosat_work | s/one/open/ |
| 06:43.34 | Mortalman | Yeah, but if you want ssh to be allowed over a corporate network when you aren't supposed to your gonna use 443. |
| 06:43.35 | streuner | dondelelcaro: so this ban is older? |
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| 06:43.50 | ke6isf | zinosat_work: Then you can probably set ssh to use port 443 on the server on your home system. |
| 06:44.08 | Mortalman | Everyone knows that. Even the hardware firewalls can't determin SSL ssh trafic from SSL web pages. |
| 06:44.13 | zinosat_work | sshd has been configured as to listen to 443 already |
| 06:44.29 | mwilson | Mortalman: I think you believe that. |
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| 06:44.39 | dondelelcaro | streuner: we've had that ban before, it just gets removed from time to time |
| 06:44.45 | Nooks | I'm looking for a program to help me classify and process about 2000 digital photos; I'd like to be able to tag 'em so I can refer to subsets later. Gallery generation isn't important, something that used the filesystem rather than requiring (say) an SQL database would be nice. Any suggestions? |
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| 06:45.01 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, Has the proxy been set up to forward port 443 to your box? |
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| 06:45.33 | Mortalman | mwilson: Well, maybe it's only AOL's hardware firewalls that can't tell the difference because I used to do it all the time. Merlin is my bitch. lol |
| 06:45.33 | streuner | dondelelcaro: correct, there was somebody last week here, IIRC: |
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| 06:45.38 | dondelelcaro | streuner: yeah, it does happen, it's just fairly rare... and puting in a +e really isn't a big deal. |
| 06:45.50 | zinosat_work | Flimzy, probably not: I'm a newbie on the subject |
| 06:45.50 | dondelelcaro | streuner: also, they can trivially get a cloak which avoids the issue too |
| 06:45.55 | dimir | Morning. |
| 06:46.03 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, that much is obvious |
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| 06:46.24 | streuner | dondelcaro: if you are new to IRC its NOT that easy... |
| 06:46.28 | jkern | Nooks, flphoto makes "albums" |
| 06:46.32 | zinosat_work | Flimzy, just tried ssh -p 443 myself@myaddr |
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| 06:46.43 | dondelelcaro | streuner: sure, but the alternatives currently are a pain |
| 06:46.45 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, That almost certianly will not work. |
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| 06:47.15 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, Unless there's simply a firewall blocking everything but port 443. But that would be an incredibly strange setup. |
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| 06:47.25 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, 99.99% chance there's a proxy there |
| 06:47.35 | SimonRaven | streuner: i understand your concern, and i agree with you on principle, but right now it's what's the most practical |
| 06:47.37 | ircdevil | say, aint there someone in here clever enuf to blast this canliprono site off the net? |
| 06:47.38 | heatxsink | anyone in here have a Dell D810 Latitude that's running Debian? |
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| 06:47.58 | zinosat_work | Flimzy, 100%, but I know address, port |
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| 06:48.20 | ircdevil | call it "pre-emtive cracking" |
| 06:48.28 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, That doesn't help, unless you also have the adminstrator password and know how to change it's configuration to forward the port to your own machine. |
| 06:48.37 | newbdeb | got CUPS running, printer driver installed and running but no printout, possibly because cups doesn'e "see" ppd file, how can i do that? |
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| 06:49.17 | valdyn_ | newbdeb: read /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 06:49.36 | newbdeb | valdyn: thanks |
| 06:49.54 | zinosat_work | Flimzy, just don't know how to specify those.no need for pwd |
| 06:50.15 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, There's nothing to specify. |
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| 06:50.24 | Flimzy | zinosat_work, the proxy server is not configured to allow what you're trying to do. |
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| 06:50.49 | zinosat_work | Flimzy, I see;( thanx for the help anyway |
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| 06:51.49 | llama32 | anyone got any ideas for an embedded-style OS i could make? |
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| 06:52.22 | Flimzy | llama32: Make an embedded OS that is binary compatible with OS/2 2.1 and Windows 3.0 |
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| 06:52.44 | Flimzy | llama32: And that can interface with a teletype terminal as well as a 3-digit LCD display. |
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| 06:53.02 | Flimzy | llama32: for better ideas, try filling an actual need that you have. |
| 06:53.02 | llama32 | Flimzy: id rather eat glass |
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| 06:53.09 | Flimzy | llama32: I'd rather you eat glass, too. |
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| 06:53.15 | Fracture | is it possible to create a raid 1+0 array in debian net inst ? |
| 06:53.17 | llama32 | i have no needs in terms of embedded |
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| 06:53.24 | Flimzy | Fracture: I believe so. |
| 06:53.29 | Flimzy | llama32: Then why waste your time? |
| 06:53.31 | llama32 | i have the means, but no motive |
| 06:53.36 | Fracture | cause only raid 0, raid 1 or raid 5 are availible |
| 06:53.39 | Flimzy | llama32: Then find something you have a motive to do. |
| 06:53.43 | Fracture | (from the raid manager menu) |
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| 06:53.59 | Flimzy | llama32: I have the means to go on a murderous rampage. But do you see me doing everything I have the _means_ to do? |
| 06:54.05 | llama32 | Flimzy: like a general purpose OS, but i dont have the means |
| 06:54.28 | SimonRaven | "people with lots of money, and no sense".... |
| 06:54.38 | newbdeb | valdyn: think i need to change ppds.dat, how? |
| 06:54.46 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: I don't know... wasn't there a news builitin about you last night? |
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| 06:54.56 | Flimzy | llama32: build an embedded universal translator |
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| 06:55.25 | ke6isf | llama32: And build it for the PalmOS. |
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| 06:56.01 | mkl1525 | Hi, how can I check how many free inodes I have on a partition? |
| 06:56.09 | SimonRaven | man df |
| 06:56.11 | dondelelcaro | mkl1525: df -i |
| 06:56.11 | Flimzy | mkl1525, df |
| 06:56.16 | llama32 | im gonna have a go at a general purpose OS (with an embedded RTOS kernel with few protection mechanisms) |
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| 06:56.34 | ke6isf | llama32: ...and you're going to do this with no resources. Clever. |
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| 06:56.50 | Flimzy | llama32: Just make sure it's binary compatible with Windows 3.0 |
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| 06:57.10 | mkl1525 | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 06:57.16 | llama32 | ke6isf: no resources? i have a PC, the internet and a kernel... what more would i need? |
| 06:57.18 | grexk | how can setuid busybox after building |
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| 06:57.43 | Flimzy | grexk, I think you need to rephrase your question, adding one or more words |
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| 06:57.46 | ke6isf | llama32: Quoth you... <llama32> Flimzy: like a general purpose OS, but i dont have the means |
| 06:57.57 | llama32 | Flimzy: not possible (16bit on a 32-bit only kernel), but ill make sure i add a very dirty 16bit windows emulator |
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| 06:58.11 | ke6isf | llama32: Rotsa ruck. |
| 06:58.15 | Flimzy | llama32: Who says you have to write a 32-bit kernel? |
| 06:58.19 | grexk | how can I setuid busybox after building it? |
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| 06:58.35 | SimonRaven | setuid what? |
| 06:58.36 | Fracture | so if I want to setup raid 10, I setup a 2 * raid 1 arrays from physical partitions, then a raid 0 array from the 2 raid 1 arrays ? |
| 06:58.40 | llama32 | Flimzy: i already have the kernel |
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| 06:58.43 | jm_ | grek;don't build it |
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| 06:59.03 | Flimzy | llama32: Then you're hardly building an embedded OS |
| 06:59.33 | llama32 | Flimzy: ??? |
| 06:59.41 | Flimzy | Fracture, I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do... but that sounds evil... and like totally not the way RAID is normally done |
| 07:00.14 | Fracture | I used to have a fedora core setup - with 4 drives using raid 10 |
| 07:00.25 | Flimzy | Fracture, You mean RAID 1+0? |
| 07:00.29 | Fracture | now, i'm installing debian, and want to use raid 10. |
| 07:00.34 | Fracture | http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html#ss9.4 |
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| 07:00.47 | llama32 | Flimzy: ive got an embedded RTOS kernel (prex), and failing to produce ideas for embedded OS, i want to use it as a general purpose OS kernel (somehow working around the lack of protection) |
| 07:01.07 | Fracture | but the debian installer doesn't list raid1+0 (or raid 10) as a valid md device to create |
| 07:01.10 | SimonRaven | grexk: fi you have no clue on how and what to do with setuid whatever, how do you expect to manage busybox builds? start with basics first. |
| 07:01.22 | Flimzy | llama32: Use it for bank transactions. Someone else will take advantage of the lack of protection for you, saving you lots of work. |
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| 07:01.40 | Flimzy | Fracture: RAID 0 is striping... and RAID 1 is mirroring, right? |
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| 07:01.45 | Fracture | Flimzy : yeah |
| 07:01.58 | llama32 | -[ |
| 07:02.00 | Fracture | so.. do I first create 2 * raid 0 devices (stripes), then a raid 1 device (mirror) |
| 07:02.01 | newbdeb | valdyn: thanks, I think i got it now. |
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| 07:02.07 | grexk | Im trying.. |
| 07:02.26 | SimonRaven | @tell grexk -about rutebook |
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| 07:02.47 | Flimzy | Fracture: I'm not sure how 1+0 is normally set up, but I'm sure what you're proposing is wrong |
| 07:02.51 | grexk | I have it already |
| 07:02.55 | Fracture | Flimzy : hrm |
| 07:02.58 | Flimzy | Fracture, gimme a sec |
| 07:03.05 | grexk | so stuffs in TLDP also |
| 07:03.05 | Fracture | that link I sent |
| 07:03.09 | Fracture | so.. do I first create 2 * raid 0 |
| 07:03.12 | Fracture | sorry.. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html#ss9.4 |
| 07:03.17 | Fracture | states RAID-10 is "mirrored stripes", or, a RAID-1 array of two RAID-0 arrays |
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| 07:04.37 | dob2 | hi |
| 07:04.44 | Flimzy | Fracture: RAID 1 can only happen between exactly 2 devices, right? |
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| 07:05.00 | Flimzy | But you have 4 devices? |
| 07:05.05 | Fracture | Flimzy : yeah - though I think you can also have 'spare' devices |
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| 07:05.19 | dob2 | i have a directory that is drwxrwsr-x how can i set this permission chmod 775 ok, but for the s ? |
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| 07:06.00 | Fracture | I have 4 devices... so breaking them into 2 pairs : A and B. both being a striped set |
| 07:06.15 | SimonRaven | dob2: info chmod |
| 07:06.16 | Fracture | then the real md device is a mirror of A and B |
| 07:06.25 | Flimzy | Fracture, Okay, RAID 1 mirrors all the drives... so if there are 3 drives, they all have identical data |
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| 07:06.31 | Flimzy | Fracture, RAID0 just stripes... no redundancy |
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| 07:06.48 | Flimzy | Fracture, If you have 3 or more devices, I would use RAID 5 |
| 07:07.08 | Flimzy | Fracture, Or RAID 4 |
| 07:07.10 | Fracture | Flimzy : I don't want raid 5... I had a setup with fedora core using raid 10... that is what I want |
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| 07:07.12 | llama32 | GRRRRRRRRR im getting lots of "Free WebCamera Sex Movie For sign => http://canliporno.gen.ms " shit >:( |
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| 07:07.29 | Flimzy | Fracture, But what I'm saying is that RAID 1+0 (RAID 10 doesn't exist) is inferior. |
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| 07:07.41 | SimonRaven | llama32: RTFT |
| 07:07.44 | Fracture | how so ? |
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| 07:07.46 | Mortalman | So I take there is no way to find out what /dev/ttySx my UPS is hooked up to ?? |
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| 07:07.53 | Flimzy | Fracture, With RAID 1+0, you'll have basically 2x the capacity of one drive. With RAID 4, you'll have (I believe) 3x the capacity... and probably better performance. |
| 07:08.08 | grexk | Thanks to you guys I found the solution... |
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| 07:08.20 | Fracture | how do I setup raid 4 then ? |
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| 07:08.37 | Flimzy | Fracture: probably by following the menus |
| 07:08.44 | Fracture | no menu option for it |
| 07:08.50 | Fracture | there are only menu options for 0,1,5 |
| 07:09.00 | Yokalosh | guys, what is the best free program for calling landline phones and other computers? |
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| 07:09.14 | Yokalosh | for debian |
| 07:09.18 | Flimzy | Fracture: Then I guess you could do 5 |
| 07:09.30 | Flimzy | Fracture: Which is more common than 4 anyway |
| 07:09.34 | Fracture | ok |
| 07:09.40 | rolando_ | hi all... anyone here using unstable, with x.org and a voodoo card? |
| 07:09.40 | Fracture | Flimzy : thanks.. i'll look into that |
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| 07:09.48 | Flimzy | Fracture: looks like 5 is faster anyway |
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| 07:09.59 | Fracture | Raid 5 looks good anyway : N devices where the smallest has size S, the size of the entire array will be (N-1)*S. |
| 07:10.13 | Fracture | so for me 4 devices @ 120 gig each = 3*120 = 360 G |
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| 07:10.34 | Flimzy | Fracture: Exactly. And you'll have better performance than 1+0 (I'm guessing... you'd have to run benchmarks to be sure) |
| 07:10.51 | Flimzy | Fracture: I can't imagine why anyone would ever wnat to do 1+0 as you were describing. |
| 07:10.53 | Fracture | Flimzy : ok.. wish me luck.. i'll do setup that now. |
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| 07:11.04 | Fracture | Flimzy : do you know about evms ? |
| 07:11.07 | Flimzy | Fracture, You might also look into LVM while you're doing all this |
| 07:11.12 | Flimzy | Fracture, I've never heard of evms |
| 07:11.22 | Fracture | Flimzy : yeah. . was going to use LVM, though someone said evms is better |
| 07:11.23 | Fracture | http://evms.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 07:11.29 | Fracture | Enterprise Volume Management System |
| 07:11.49 | Flimzy | is that simlar to LVM? |
| 07:11.49 | Fracture | i'll go ahead with raid-5, then probably upgfrade to evms |
| 07:11.59 | Fracture | yeah... I think its on top of LVM .. not quite sure |
| 07:12.00 | Flimzy | oh crap... my swap drive is full |
| 07:12.15 | Flimzy | I think I should come up with some extra swap space! |
| 07:12.20 | Flimzy | I'll prolly do that on the LVM partition... heh |
| 07:12.23 | Fracture | Flimzy : or probably more like that LVM is plugable into EVMS |
| 07:12.26 | Flimzy | not ideal, but should probably work |
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| 07:13.08 | Fracture | Flimzy : ok.. i'l running to the server room to setup the box.. back soon.. thanks for your help |
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| 07:13.43 | elPepo | hi friends |
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| 07:15.26 | elPepo | I have an error with gcc-4.0: "array type has incomplete element type", and found the patch in http://kegel.com/crosstool/crosstool-0.38/patches/linux-2.6.8/linux-2.6.8-allow-gcc-4.0-asm-i386.patch |
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| 07:15.36 | Flimzy | okay, now I have 700mb of swap |
| 07:15.36 | elPepo | please, how do I use that ? |
| 07:15.38 | Flimzy | much better |
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| 07:16.30 | bibe | elPepo : go to /usr/src/linux-2.6.8 (you already unpacked the sources, sure?) |
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| 07:16.31 | Guerin | elPepo: why are you building the kernel with gcc4 if you don't even know how to apply a patch? |
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| 07:16.43 | elPepo | yes |
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| 07:16.51 | Guerin | build the damn thing with 3.3 or 3.4 like bog intended |
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| 07:17.15 | Guerin | and more to that point |
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| 07:17.44 | Guerin | why the hell are you building a 2.6.8 kernel? It's months old. If you're going to build your own, at least build a recent kernel. |
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| 07:17.51 | bibe | elPepo : try with patch --dry-run -p0 < /path/to/linux-2.6.8-allow-gcc-4.0-asm-i386.patch |
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| 07:18.11 | streuner | apt, kernel |
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| 07:18.28 | elPepo | ok ill probe |
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| 07:22.20 | madradrone | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.29 | Bobby_G | yes |
| 07:22.34 | Guerin | madradrone: not #debian - freenode |
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| 07:22.42 | Bobby_G | what does the +E mode to ? ignore queries or what ? |
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| 07:22.55 | Guerin | ignores queries from unregistered clients |
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| 07:23.02 | Bobby_G | okay |
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| 07:23.05 | dimir | Bobby_G: ignore private messages from unregistered users |
| 07:23.15 | PeterB | !mode e |
| 07:23.15 | dpkg | +E makes it such that only nickserv identified users can /msg you |
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| 07:23.20 | streuner | dondelelcaro: is it possible that debhelper bans every IP which join and leave in a certain time? |
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| 07:23.32 | dimir | !mode C |
| 07:23.32 | Bobby_G | been using IRC for 6 or 7 years, but never been into that one |
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| 07:23.44 | Guerin | !nospambot |
| 07:23.44 | dpkg | methinks nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less |
| 07:24.07 | Guerin | you might need to tweak it, they seem to be lasting a bit longer than 2 seconds nowadays |
| 07:24.08 | dimir | nice. |
| 07:24.15 | dimir | Yes. |
| 07:24.23 | Guerin | 30 seconds should do the trick, though |
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| 07:25.14 | dimir | Yeah, you don't usually care if they are not even bots. |
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| 07:25.31 | streuner | Guerin: well, only for users who (which) join and leave more than 1 time in a certain time... |
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| 07:25.55 | X-Coder | i have installed debian 3.1 |
| 07:26.00 | X-Coder | i'm new to linux |
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| 07:26.17 | X-Coder | its running on terminal mode |
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| 07:26.28 | moe_ | i have just install firefox via apt-get on debain, when i click on a link to download a file, it doesn't download. I have to right-click save as file to download it |
| 07:26.29 | X-Coder | how do i run it in graphical mode? |
| 07:26.41 | nkuttler | X-Coder: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 07:26.47 | nkuttler | X-Coder: /msg dpkg faq |
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| 07:26.53 | madradrone | X-Coder: apt-get install x-window-system and what nkuttler said |
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| 07:27.40 | tengulre | anybody building qmail server under Debian? |
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| 07:27.56 | majnoon | nope nope not here |
| 07:28.09 | Guerin | nobody sane |
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| 07:28.12 | Guerin | qmail bad |
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| 07:28.43 | streuner | Guerin: do you have that perl script already running? |
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| 07:28.49 | Guerin | streuner: i just loaded it |
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| 07:28.59 | streuner | ic |
| 07:29.25 | Guerin | streuner: what it does is tells irssi to delay the join message for a specified time, and if there's a quit from the same host in that time, it suppresses both |
| 07:29.51 | Guerin | if the timeout expires and there's no quit, it belatedly displays the join |
| 07:30.05 | syntaxx | i configure apache i can connect thru localhost but when i check it using my other pic with my public ip it says connection refused. by the way im on a router |
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| 07:30.22 | Guerin | syntaxx: tell the router to forward the port |
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| 07:31.18 | syntaxx | Guerin, i just did forwarding port 80 to 2080 =\ but still connection refused.. and i also dont have a firewall yet |
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| 07:31.39 | Guerin | syntaxx: i can't help you configure your router. |
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| 07:32.04 | Guerin | syntaxx: connection refused nmeans there's nothing listening on that port on the router |
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| 07:32.22 | syntaxx | hmm ok |
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| 07:32.58 | X-Coder | nut/msg dpkg faq |
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| 07:33.32 | tgwj | hi! the menu/prefs fonts in XMMS are extremely tiny here. I am using accelertated nvidia driver on sarge. |
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| 07:35.50 | andrew | does anybody here know an xterm-like program that is able to be told to take input data from a file? going via the X selection, in my case, is out since the input data is multi-MB |
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| 07:36.22 | wathek | !mn |
| 07:36.22 | dpkg | hmm... mn is Mongolia |
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| 07:36.40 | wathek | how can I change the resolution under my Debian ? |
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| 07:36.59 | k-man | is there dual head issues with older binary nvidia drivers? |
| 07:37.47 | cheal | !drxx wathek |
| 07:37.50 | dpkg | wathek: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 07:37.59 | cheal | k-man: older than? |
| 07:38.02 | wathek | ok thanx a lot |
| 07:38.03 | wathek | :D |
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| 07:38.07 | cheal | k-man: ask #nvidia |
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| 07:39.22 | k-man | oh, thanks cheal |
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| 07:40.11 | andrew | wathek: usually, Debian people have a kind of resolution you better don't mess with ;-) |
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| 07:40.41 | wathek | andrew, :)) |
| 07:40.48 | wathek | I'm going to restart X |
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| 07:41.17 | tgwj | my fonts in XMMS are tiny. any ideas how to fix anyone ? all gtk2 apps are ok |
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| 07:41.40 | Gnea | SUCCESS!!! |
| 07:41.42 | Gnea | oops |
| 07:41.44 | mwilson | tgwj: What does GTK2 have to do with xmms? |
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| 07:42.16 | tgwj | mwilson, I'm just pointing out that this is only xmms... ok it was a stupid reference |
| 07:42.22 | Guerin | !gtk fontsize |
| 07:42.22 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
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| 07:42.38 | wathek_ | hello all |
| 07:42.45 | bibe | hello wathek_ |
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| 07:43.23 | mwilson | hmmm, more pitch black... |
| 07:43.28 | madradrone | wow. OT but: http://www.goes.noaa.gov/browsh.html |
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| 07:43.37 | wathek | ok |
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| 07:43.44 | wathek | I've now to upgrade my kernel |
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| 07:43.48 | wathek | and to install Gaim |
| 07:44.02 | Alexandre | wathek, ?? |
| 07:44.04 | Gnea | madradrone: no no, it's okay... |
| 07:44.10 | wathek | Alexandre, what ? |
| 07:44.12 | mwilson | Hasn't come ashore yet, but soon... |
| 07:44.13 | Alexandre | wathek from xline distro? |
| 07:44.18 | wathek | yes |
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| 07:44.23 | wathek | Alexandre, I'm under Debian now |
| 07:44.24 | wathek | :D |
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| 07:44.31 | Alexandre | wathek, cool :-) |
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| 07:44.33 | wathek | Alexandre, I'm going to create the Deb :D |
| 07:44.39 | elPepo | do somebody can install "pctel-0.9.7-9-rht-4c" in Sarge/Debian 2.6.8 ? |
| 07:44.43 | Alexandre | wathek, I'll take you in pv |
| 07:44.45 | bibe | wathek : I am currently upgrading my kernel on Debian, creating a .deb |
| 07:44.47 | madradrone | here's java animations of it: http://www.goes.noaa.gov/g8hu.html |
| 07:44.48 | wathek | Alexandre, ok |
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| 07:44.56 | mwilson | elPepo: Why? There's certainly no reason to. |
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| 07:45.50 | elPepo | it is a driver for winmodem (my winmodem :( ) so I cant use my modem |
| 07:45.53 | mwilson | elPepo: Why in the world would you want to support crap like pctel on Linux? |
| 07:46.08 | mwilson | elPepo: Skip a pizza or two and buy a real modem. |
| 07:46.48 | LoRdHaCk | good morning |
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| 07:46.57 | elPepo | I see ... so: where do I can look up for compatible linux modems ? |
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| 07:47.14 | mwilson | elPepo: No need. If it's a real modem, it's compatible. |
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| 07:48.37 | nkuttler | hm, that's ipv6? Failed password for root from ::ffff:216.187.127.252 |
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| 07:49.25 | Gnea | elPepo: get a USRobotics |
| 07:49.54 | andrew | Gnea: not every USR! |
| 07:49.59 | wathek | nkuttler, I don't think so |
| 07:50.13 | wathek | nkuttler, coz in IPv6 there isn't . |
| 07:50.25 | nkuttler | ah, ok. |
| 07:50.28 | andrew | mwilson: because somebody paid money for "crap like pctel"? |
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| 07:52.01 | mwilson | andrew: They can't have paid enough money for it that tossing it on the trash heap would be any hardship at all. |
| 07:53.27 | Gnea | andrew: huh? |
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| 07:53.42 | mwilson | Gnea: USR makes winmodems too. |
| 07:53.51 | Gnea | duh |
| 07:53.55 | Gnea | get a non-winmodem |
| 07:54.08 | Gnea | besides, USR makes the best modems on the planet |
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| 07:54.34 | npx | the external v.90 is the shiznit |
| 07:54.37 | peej | I have a p100 gateway NAT whose hard drive is about to croak. I am thinking of replacing the drive with a PXE booting system. What is a smart way to do stuff after the kernel is up? Ie stuff like the init.d/ scripts |
| 07:54.43 | npx | (v.92 is for old koreans) |
| 07:54.59 | Gnea | i used to have a 14.4 usr external, that thing owned |
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| 07:56.01 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.19 | Gnea | streuner: that's nice, but what is it? |
| 07:56.44 | streuner | a script for irssi to fight against spambots |
| 07:56.57 | streuner | peterS wrote it |
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| 07:57.18 | Gnea | wow |
| 07:57.23 | mwilson | I wouldn't say that USR makes the best modems on the planet, other than by default, since so many other manufacturers have failed. |
| 07:57.24 | streuner | yeah |
| 07:57.36 | Bobby_G | I cant get any sound. I have searched some sites, found out that I needed to install the alsamixergui, but this didnt |
| 07:57.41 | peej | by "do stuff" I mean I guess I am wondering : how do thin clients run their bins? what networking filesystem tdo they use? |
| 07:57.41 | Bobby_G | solve my roblem. any ideas ? |
| 07:57.53 | peterS | it doesn't fight against spambots so much as just ignores any fast join/part combination so you don't have to look at the cases where a spambot was correctly dealt with by freenode |
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| 07:57.54 | mwilson | peej: NFS, usually. |
| 07:57.56 | Gnea | mwilson: well i would and i did. because it's true. i don't know about their winmodems, but those came later anyway |
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| 07:58.28 | Gnea | it was all 3com's fault :) |
| 07:58.46 | peterS | chii does the hard part, identifying and killing the bot in the first place |
| 07:58.50 | Gnea | yeah they're cheap nowadays |
| 07:58.51 | DocTomoe | Has anyone tried using debtakeover on a webserver? |
| 07:58.56 | Gnea | but you can still buy them brand new |
| 07:59.11 | mwilson | DocTomoe: Has anyone had any sort of reason to? |
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| 07:59.19 | Guerin | peterS: removing the . from $timeout does the trick for these ones |
| 07:59.19 | peterS | DocTomoe: the efficacy of debtakeover depends more on the original OS than anything else, I think |
| 07:59.22 | streuner | peterS: do you think we can use it in debhelper too? |
| 07:59.46 | mwilson | Gnea: v.everything supports v90 but not v92, sadly. |
| 07:59.54 | Guerin | DocTomoe: there was a howto for moving a remote server from * to debian using it ... personally I'd use debootstrap and mv |
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| 08:00.11 | Gnea | mwilson: yeah, they made that one back when USR had actual competition |
| 08:00.12 | streuner | peterS: the idea would be, that some OPs don't need to spend more than 48 hours to ban every single IP... |
| 08:00.12 | peterS | streuner: eh? the code is simple enough that reusing it in a bot is probably harder than just rewriting. feel free to try, though |
| 08:01.04 | Gnea | streuner: are you aware that an entire X.X.*.* ip range was banned today due to those? |
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| 08:01.18 | mwilson | Gnea: The v.everything is a great modem... shame I don't have a telephone any more. It doesn't work well with my cellphone. :) |
| 08:01.30 | Gnea | mwilson: hahaha :) |
| 08:01.32 | DocTomoe | I am trying to convert a SuSE 9.1 to Debian Sarge. However, debtakeover gives me the following error message: "error: Bad chroot, clean, correct, and try again." Any suggestions on this one? |
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| 08:01.45 | Gnea | yeah, since moving i've given up on the idea of a landline |
| 08:01.50 | streuner | Gnea: heh? |
| 08:02.04 | peterS | streuner: I guess it would be useful to have code in a bot that says, if some specific /24 IP range joins/parts quickly, more than 2 times in 30 seconds, it can be banned and the real ops alerted to this fact |
| 08:02.05 | Gnea | streuner: yeah, it got pretty bad |
| 08:02.12 | mwilson | I just don't have a real use for a phone any more. |
| 08:02.21 | mwilson | And my pre-pay cell is all I need. |
| 08:02.31 | peterS | streuner: but I don't know if you could reuse my code for this or if it'd be easier to just write from scratch |
| 08:02.32 | Gnea | i require a signed contract |
| 08:02.33 | streuner | peterS: yes, that would be nice |
| 08:02.33 | Fracture | anyone know how to install evms on debian ? |
| 08:03.12 | mwilson | Fracture: Probably anyone who reads the documentation does. |
| 08:03.23 | peterS | streuner: dondelelcaro writes better perl than I do, and he runs debhelper, so it's up to him |
| 08:03.25 | Fracture | mwilson : well.. I read the docs, and can't work it out |
| 08:03.28 | peej | mwilson : any cons with nfs? |
| 08:03.33 | Gnea | mwilson: i have family and friends thoughout the country, pre-pay only goes so far |
| 08:04.12 | streuner_ | peterS: hm |
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| 08:04.23 | DocTomoe | Guerin ... you wouldn't happen to know the title of this HOWTO? All I find is "seting up a server", not "making a server from X to Debian" |
| 08:04.25 | mwilson | Gnea: costs me the same, LD or local. |
| 08:04.44 | peterS | Gnea: consider VoIP based on SIP. nice info on erich schubert's blog today, http://blog.drinsama.de/erich/en/2005082801-sip-phones |
| 08:04.59 | Fracture | I have installed the kernel-patch-evms package, but I dunno how to apply them |
| 08:05.01 | streuner_ | peterS: there must be another reason then... |
| 08:05.16 | mwilson | Gnea: If I spend more than a couple of minutes on a phone call, there's something wrong. |
| 08:05.38 | peej | hmm. nice thin client article at http://www.developer.com/tech/article.php/10923_628661_2 |
| 08:05.57 | Gnea | mwilson: i don't hate my family that much :) |
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| 08:06.18 | mwilson | Gnea: I don't hate my family. |
| 08:06.42 | Gnea | mwilson: i know, i was being sarcastic :) |
| 08:06.50 | mwilson | Gnea: But it's not like I need to spend some long involved telephone call with them either. |
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| 08:07.24 | Gnea | mwilson: sometimes, if i don't, i'd likely go play in traffic |
| 08:07.52 | syntaxx | is there a netconfig on debian? |
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| 08:08.04 | Carpe_Libertatem | What's the apt-get package for Java? |
| 08:08.20 | streuner | dpkg, java |
| 08:08.20 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive, consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). |
| 08:08.21 | mwilson | Carpe_Libertatem: There isn't one, of course. |
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| 08:09.27 | Carpe_Libertatem | I am lost without apt-get! =P |
| 08:09.46 | streuner | Carpe_Libertatem: check out make-jpkg |
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| 08:12.58 | Gnea | peterS: SIP looks cool, what about vonage? |
| 08:13.16 | Bobby_G | how do I change the default login manager from GDM to KDM ? |
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| 08:13.26 | peterS | Gnea: it's SIP-based, but according to some people it's overpriced, you can get better deals from other companies |
| 08:13.28 | streuner | via apt-get install? |
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| 08:13.42 | streuner | Bobby_G: ^^^ |
| 08:13.49 | Gnea | peterS: hrm... |
| 08:13.59 | Bobby_G | streuner: I have KDM installed already |
| 08:14.25 | streuner | Bobby_G: ok, apt-get remove gdm |
| 08:14.59 | peterS | Gnea: you already use VoIP every time you dial 10-10-nnn to get a cheaper rate from some random no-commitment long distance company |
| 08:15.02 | Bobby_G | streuner: ok. KDM will then be chosen as default, o rdo I configure that aferwards ? |
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| 08:15.38 | peterS | at least I've heard that's what they generally use internally |
| 08:17.42 | SimonRaven | anyone got leads on converting pcf or bdf fonts to ttf format? all i've seen so far don't even vaguely do it. fontforge crashes my xserver |
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| 08:19.28 | streuner | Bobby_G: in gdm exist a file 'gdmconfig', don't ask me about KDM |
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| 08:19.56 | SimonRaven | argh |
| 08:19.58 | streuner | hm, gone. |
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| 08:20.37 | peej | mmmm. hangon .... is pxe-boot a bios option? or a load-bios-from-pci-card option? |
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| 08:21.17 | Rejected | i am n00b but i know its no bios |
| 08:21.18 | Rejected | im trying to rmeove mine |
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| 08:21.30 | Rejected | pxe boot sux |
| 08:21.40 | peej | Rejected : why? |
| 08:21.42 | SimonRaven | hmmm |
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| 08:21.51 | peterS | peej: PXE must be performed by the BIOS. it might be built into your motherboard bios or it might be loaded as a bios extension from your network card. |
| 08:22.09 | Rejected | peej It doesnt like my hard drives says sum bullshit about no hard drives dected then boots nicely into windows server |
| 08:22.13 | peterS | peej: if your network card isn't built into the motherboard, it's probably the latter. |
| 08:22.26 | SimonRaven | @find bin/bdftosnf |
| 08:22.32 | peej | oh dear. then my ancient p100 ami-bios from 1997 is unlikely to support it. |
| 08:22.41 | SimonRaven | it won't |
| 08:22.49 | peterS | peej: no matter, if your network card has a bios extension, like many of them do |
| 08:23.09 | Rejected | anyone famialr with xde like does it have WINE.... |
| 08:23.24 | Rejected | xpde* |
| 08:23.27 | ravenbird | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/bdftosnf' returned no results. |
| 08:23.29 | SimonRaven | english maybe? |
| 08:23.35 | SimonRaven | @find bin/bdfto |
| 08:23.43 | peej | Rejected : maybe its the order of boot that's the problem? try disabling hd boot, or fixing order in bios |
| 08:23.48 | Rejected | Is anyone familair with XPDE and what it supports using WINE |
| 08:23.52 | streuner | peterS: do you think nospambot works for X-Chat 1.8.9 too? |
| 08:23.55 | SimonRaven | stupid bot, you *just* updated the files.... |
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| 08:24.00 | peterS | peej: also the pentium 100 was not sold in 1997, you're thinking of 1995 or so |
| 08:24.10 | peterS | streuner: it's very specific to irssi. I have no idea what the x-chat perl interface looks like. |
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| 08:24.39 | Rejected | peej: I disbaled some options at once stage when i had to install sevrer because server didnt detect any hard drives it was trying to use software base ddirvers to mount my hard drives |
| 08:24.40 | ravenbird | Debian Search of 'bin/bdfto' (1): (/n nnx11/xel/d-clients6usr/X11R6/bin/ascdn nnsound/ascd6usr/X11R6/bin/atobmn nnx11/xel/d-clients6usr/X11R6/bin/bdftopcfn nnx11/xetils6usr/X11R6/bin/bdftruncaten nnx11/xetils6usr/X11R6/bin/beern nnx11/gerstensaft6usr/X11R6/bin/before.kghtn nnx11/xel/d-clients6usr/X11R6/bin/bitmapn ... |
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| 08:25.14 | peterS | SimonRaven: is it trying to colorize or utf8ify those paths? |
| 08:25.17 | jm_ | nice ;) |
| 08:25.25 | SimonRaven | ick. wtf |
| 08:25.35 | jm_ | 6 tabs I guess |
| 08:25.37 | sema4 | what kernel version is the unstable package "kernel-source-2.6.11" based on ? |
| 08:25.42 | SimonRaven | it puked |
| 08:25.44 | peej | peterS: 97, 95, who knows. Something like that. the vga card bios comes up first though, so I may have a hope I guess. |
| 08:26.19 | streuner | sema4: is there nothing in changelog? |
| 08:26.20 | peterS | peej: right, bios extensions have always been supported - vga cards need to load an extension to initialise the card into a vga compatible mode so the rest of the bios can actually display stuff on screen |
| 08:26.44 | peej | peterS: most educational |
| 08:26.45 | streuner | sema4: 2.6.11, of course. |
| 08:26.58 | sema4 | streuner: changelog ... thanks |
| 08:27.07 | sema4 | .12 ... tah |
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| 08:27.40 | peej | peterS: this could be a fun project. I'll probably do a write up on debian-administration about it later |
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| 08:27.59 | peterS | peej: pxe is never fun (: well, maybe it is after you get it working |
| 08:28.10 | Dameon87 | Ok, I have a question. I need to find the apt-get sources file and change them to the default ones. |
| 08:28.20 | wathek | I've a prob |
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| 08:28.32 | Bjerrk501 | hi! Could one of you guys post a link to a good european sources.list? I'd be most grateful. |
| 08:28.42 | wathek | how can I configure my sound card on Debian ? |
| 08:28.57 | streuner_ | Bjerr501: apt-setup |
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| 08:29.11 | streuner | Bjerrk501: apt-setup |
| 08:29.20 | Dameon87 | Where is the file that contains the apt sources ? |
| 08:29.26 | Bjerrk501 | streuner i need it for my netinst... |
| 08:29.30 | jesperj | I have a backup of my homedir as user "jesperjacobsson" and I want to get those files into my account as "jesper" on a new system. How do I go about it? it seems like it doesn't work to just copy the files over |
| 08:29.37 | streuner | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:29.44 | Dameon87 | ok |
| 08:29.46 | Bjerrk501 | nono |
| 08:29.56 | Dameon87 | now what are the defaults for a Sarge install ? |
| 08:30.01 | streuner | Bjerrk501: You can't run 'apt-setup' yet? |
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| 08:30.13 | Bjerrk501 | streuner i don't know... |
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| 08:30.39 | Rejected | Anyone no if there is a wine download for xpde |
| 08:30.44 | syntaxx | i have pinnacle tv on my box.. i tried to run it via xawtv but it doesnt output any image |
| 08:31.00 | Bjerrk501 | streuner: but it would be nice if i could have a "preconfigured" european sources.list :) |
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| 08:31.56 | Bjerrk501 | with all the URL's already in it. There's lots of them for ubuntu, but i can't find any for debian... |
| 08:32.07 | wathek | how can I configure my sound card on Debian ? |
| 08:32.13 | Dameon87 | Can someone tell me where I can find the default source list for Debian 3.1 Sarge ? |
| 08:32.36 | streuner | Bjerrk501: mixing ubuntu and debian is a bad idea |
| 08:32.56 | streuner | wathek: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 08:32.57 | Bjerrk501 | streuner, exactly my point. |
| 08:32.58 | Shadur | Something like deb http://ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org/debian/ sarge main |
| 08:33.23 | wathek | streuner, Linux version 2.4.27-2-686 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12)) #1 Mon May 16 17:03:22 JST 2005 |
| 08:33.30 | streuner | Dameon87: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:33.34 | syntaxx | what is the command for reconfiguring the net? |
| 08:34.03 | Dameon87 | streuner: I mean a list of the default ones. I have a dedicated server and they added a bunch of their own crap. |
| 08:34.06 | streuner | wathek: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i audio' say? |
| 08:34.22 | Dameon87 | syntaxx: What do you need to do with the net ? |
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| 08:34.34 | wathek | streuner, 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
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| 08:34.52 | ma3x | hello |
| 08:34.54 | ma3x | why is everything gone in kde control center? |
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| 08:35.19 | syntaxx | Dameon87, im on a router and i cant check my apache if its working outside.. probably my nat router have problem.. so ill try to standalone.. i just want to know how to put ip on my box not by dhcp |
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| 08:35.29 | Bjerrk501 | ma3x, doesn't sound good :D |
| 08:35.38 | jnc | syntaxx: man interfaces |
| 08:35.39 | ma3x | Bjerrk501, tell me what the problem is |
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| 08:35.42 | Dameon87 | use ifconfig |
| 08:35.49 | blah123 | greetings everyone, I'm currently running apache-ssl, and I want to move over to apache2. do I need to install apache2-common and some mod (mod_ssl) to support ssl or is there a package like apache-ssl built all together |
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| 08:35.50 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
| 08:35.58 | Dameon87 | man -k ifconfig |
| 08:36.01 | Shadur | blah123: No, ssl got a makeover in apache2. |
| 08:36.03 | Bjerrk501 | ma3x, i've never used debian :D. I'm a mandriva user :D |
| 08:36.26 | ma3x | can anybody tell me ? |
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| 08:36.37 | jesperj | I have a backup of my homedir as user "jesperjacobsson" and I want to get those files into my account as "jesper" on a new system. How do I go about it? it seems like it doesn't work to just copy the files over and "chown -R jesperj.jesper /path/dir". Still can not access some files |
| 08:36.39 | Bjerrk501 | i'm right in the middle of installing debian in fact. |
| 08:36.40 | blah123 | shadur, so then? |
| 08:36.41 | Dameon87 | can someone give me the sources for a Debian Sarge install please ? |
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| 08:36.46 | blah123 | just apache2 and thats it? |
| 08:37.03 | Bjerrk501 | Daemeon, you've just gotten them... |
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| 08:37.09 | streuner | wathek: /msg dpkg audio |
| 08:37.17 | blah123 | crap, that means the the conf file is all diff and shit now I bet. |
| 08:37.31 | Dameon87 | Bjerrk501: ? ?????? |
| 08:37.47 | Dameon87 | I need the default ones. |
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| 08:37.58 | Dameon87 | My host edited the file with a bunch of crap in it |
| 08:37.58 | Shadur | Dameon87: Just get yourself a debian netinst CD image and install from that. |
| 08:38.09 | Dameon87 | Debian is installed.. |
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| 08:38.29 | Dameon87 | My host preconfigured the file and half of the hosts didnt even resolve |
| 08:38.33 | ma3x | hello |
| 08:38.37 | Dameon87 | so i wiped it |
| 08:38.39 | ma3x | why is there only camera in peripherals? |
| 08:38.41 | wathek | streuner, ok thanx a lot |
| 08:38.42 | ma3x | kde control center |
| 08:38.49 | Dameon87 | now I need the default Testing Sources |
| 08:39.12 | streuner | wathek: easier would be, just use an 2.6.x kernel and run alsaconf |
| 08:39.23 | Shadur | blah123: You're going to have to use openssl to create your own cert this time around, and you'll need to have a good look at the docs for mod_ssl. |
| 08:39.29 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 08:40.48 | wathek | streuner, ok |
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| 08:41.02 | wathek | streuner, to upgrade my kernel I've to do apt-get upgrade kernel ? |
| 08:41.37 | streuner | wathek: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 08:41.51 | streuner | wathek: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.x |
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| 08:42.36 | wathek | streuner, ok thanx |
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| 08:42.43 | moe_ | i have just install firefox via apt-get on debain, when i click on a link to download a file, it doesn't download. I have to right-click save as file to download it |
| 08:42.56 | moe_ | any idea what wrong? |
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| 08:43.20 | cat | moe_: run it in the terminal and look at the issue, when you click on the link to download something |
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| 08:43.38 | moe_ | ok |
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| 08:43.57 | cat | moo |
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| 08:44.02 | cat | !moo |
| 08:44.02 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
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| 08:45.07 | Dameon87 | I know this is not a question for here, but I am in a hurry. Does anyone know where the apache2 config files are ? |
| 08:45.09 | moe_ | nothing in a terminal coming up |
| 08:45.38 | moe_ | i type firefox to run firefox then in dumps straight back to a prompt |
| 08:45.43 | moe_ | after loading firefox |
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| 08:46.03 | herbi | ugh! |
| 08:46.08 | Knorrie | !tell Dameon87 about hurry |
| 08:46.08 | herbi | so many spambots! |
| 08:46.09 | streuner | Dameon87: check out 'dpkg -L <package>, config files are usually in /etc/ |
| 08:46.13 | herbi | how do i put mode +E |
| 08:46.24 | nkuttler | herbi: /topic |
| 08:46.27 | cat | herbi: /mode herbi +E |
| 08:46.29 | streuner | !hurry |
| 08:46.29 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
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| 08:46.45 | herbi | ta |
| 08:46.55 | cat | !ta |
| 08:46.55 | dpkg | hmm... ta is an abbreviation for thomas_adam, or antipodean slang for "thank you". Total Annihilation(Best RTS *evar*). Teaching Assistant |
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| 08:47.09 | Dameon87 | thanks |
| 08:47.10 | Dameon87 | :) |
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| 08:49.25 | ma3x | CAN i install kde3.4.2 on unstable? |
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| 08:50.15 | cmvo | Hi! Is there a way to restart the second phase of the Debian installation? |
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| 08:50.56 | streuner | ma3x: /j #debian-kde |
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| 08:54.01 | jethro | hello #debian |
| 08:55.01 | pingouin_ | !lart jethro |
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| 08:55.03 | Dameon87 | how to restart a process (Apache2) ? |
| 08:55.08 | pingouin_ | ;) |
| 08:55.17 | jethro | @annoy pingouin_ |
| 08:55.18 | ravenbird | pingouin_: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
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| 08:55.36 | moe_ | there is no help on the mozillazine forums....lots of people having the same problem and systems but no fixes.... |
| 08:55.42 | pingouin_ | Dameon87: /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 08:55.50 | pingouin_ | but maybe is httpd for apache2 |
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| 08:55.58 | pingouin_ | hello jethro ;) |
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| 08:56.06 | pingouin_ | welcome :D |
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| 08:56.30 | Dameon87 | says its already running |
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| 08:56.49 | pingouin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.54 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 08:56.55 | pingouin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.59 | pingouin_ | or restart |
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| 08:57.46 | pingouin_ | blah means : /etc/init.d/ by the way |
| 08:58.16 | Dameon87 | k |
| 08:58.17 | Dameon87 | thanks |
| 08:58.36 | Mardus | Does anyone know a good search tool to search certain files for some strings of text and only display filenames that contain that? I couldn't do that with grep, even though I read man grep and googled some. |
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| 08:58.54 | pingouin_ | Mardus: locate ? |
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| 08:59.06 | jm_ | Mardus: grep |
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| 08:59.18 | streuner | dpkg, nospambot |
| 08:59.19 | dpkg | somebody said nospambot was http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less |
| 08:59.20 | pingouin_ | Mardus: mount all you're hd you have : updatedb |
| 08:59.24 | pingouin_ | Mardus: then locate |
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| 09:00.28 | Mardus | DESTINA is a bot. |
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| 09:00.36 | sanxiyn | Mardus: grep |
| 09:00.38 | streuner | we know, /topic |
| 09:00.39 | Mardus | pingouin_: That's not the point. I know what files I want to search, I need to find files that contain certain strings and have the tool only show the files that contain these strings and not the files that don't contains these strings (this is what grep did). |
| 09:01.01 | pingouin_ | Mardus: ok sorry |
| 09:01.06 | pingouin_ | !lart me |
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| 09:01.20 | pingouin_ | sorry to be ssooooooo stupid |
| 09:01.21 | Mardus | aylin^ is a bot |
| 09:01.23 | nkuttler | Mardus: man grep... |
| 09:01.26 | sanxiyn | Mardus: And grep isn't up to job? |
| 09:01.30 | pingouin_ | i love beein lamer |
| 09:01.34 | wathek_ | :))) |
| 09:01.59 | pingouin_ | Mardus: the best : gentoo and you're eyes ;) |
| 09:02.03 | pingouin_ | if you have some ;) |
| 09:02.26 | Mardus | nkuttler, sanxiyn: man grep does not have much example syntax and nowhere does it say "use this command to show only files that contain a result" |
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| 09:02.39 | nkuttler | Mardus: what command are you using? |
| 09:02.41 | sanxiyn | Mardus: Huh? |
| 09:02.48 | nkuttler | Mardus: info grep |
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| 09:02.54 | sanxiyn | Mardus: grep <some text to find> <file1> <file2> <file3>. |
| 09:02.55 | pingouin_ | openmyeye -goof |
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| 09:03.20 | peej | Mardus: if you are prepared to learn, then apt-get install rutebook will get you a good book |
| 09:03.21 | Mardus | aUKiSiauao is a bot |
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| 09:03.24 | sanxiyn | Mardus: Or, grep -r <some text to find> <directory> (recursive grep) |
| 09:03.52 | Mardus | sanxiyn: I know how to search recursively and I know that grep does show results, I just don't want the clutter of filenames shown that have 0 results. |
| 09:04.00 | tosh | when trying to login to a user that I setup with scponly, I get "error skipping startup message. your shell is probably incompatible with the application scponly" when trying to login with winscp |
| 09:04.04 | peej | Mardus: mebbe you want the -H option? |
| 09:04.14 | nkuttler | Mardus: what _command_ are you using? |
| 09:04.15 | sanxiyn | Mardus: grep -l ? |
| 09:04.26 | Mardus | sanxiyn: I tried -l already |
| 09:04.40 | sanxiyn | Mardus: I frankly don't understand what you are trying to do. |
| 09:04.47 | sanxiyn | Mardus: Of course grep doesn't print filenames without match. |
| 09:04.50 | Mardus | grep --ignore-case --with-filename --count |
| 09:05.06 | Mardus | sanxiyn: Yes, it does. |
| 09:05.15 | jm_ | no it doesn't |
| 09:05.16 | sanxiyn | Mardus: No it doesn't. |
| 09:05.17 | Mardus | sanxiyn: No matter what the command is. |
| 09:05.22 | sanxiyn | Mardus: No. |
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| 09:05.26 | Mardus | It does |
| 09:05.32 | sanxiyn | Mardus: grep --version? |
| 09:05.45 | Mardus | sanxiyn: 2.4.2 |
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| 09:05.53 | sanxiyn | Nonsense. |
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| 09:05.59 | borco | hi |
| 09:06.04 | Mardus | sanxiyn: What's nonsense? |
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| 09:06.22 | sanxiyn | Mardus: Apparently, my grep doesn't print names of file when there's no match. |
| 09:06.33 | Mardus | sanxiyn: Mine does. |
| 09:06.37 | nkuttler | Mardus: MAN GREP, and read what every option does |
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| 09:06.52 | nkuttler | --count 1214/tcp filtered fasttrack |
| 09:06.55 | nkuttler | bah |
| 09:06.57 | Mardus | nkuttler: I already did that and tried the relevant options. -H is the same as --with-filename |
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| 09:07.02 | nkuttler | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.05 | borco | I just discovered a new directory in /home, named /home/ANONYMOUS with drwxrwxrwx nobody nogroup |
| 09:07.18 | borco | any idea how did I get it? |
| 09:07.57 | Mardus | nkuttler: -L is what you are referring to. "The scanning will stop on the first match", but I want to scan several files. |
| 09:08.16 | nkuttler | Mardus: read what --count does |
| 09:08.36 | Mardus | nkuttler: I use count aready. |
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| 09:09.01 | nkuttler | Mardus: you don't understand what it does |
| 09:09.08 | mlopes | hi. i've made a dpkg --get-selections, --set-selections and apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 09:09.27 | mlopes | but I just want to install packages that weren't installed before, not upgrading those already installed |
| 09:09.39 | sanxiyn | Mardus: "scanning will stop on the first match", why is that a problem? |
| 09:09.46 | mlopes | but apt-get -u dselect-upgrade also updates packages.. how to force to only install new packages? |
| 09:09.55 | sanxiyn | Mardus: It doesn't stop processing remaining files; it just stop matching, when match is found in the file. |
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| 09:10.08 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: the right solution is (hopefully) the one being implemented in the ircd; banning on something like that is going to cause more problems than it solves |
| 09:10.25 | Mardus | nkuttler: As far as I actually understand it, count actually counts matching strings in a file. Besides that, the results are this: filename:0(newline)filename:0(newline)filename:0(newline)filename:0(newline)filename:1(newline)filename:0(newline)filename:2(newline) and so on and so forth. |
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| 09:10.32 | sanxiyn | Mardus: "scanning will stop on the first match" has nothing to do with "I want to scan several files". |
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| 09:10.51 | nkuttler | Mardus: this is exactly what it's supposed to do |
| 09:10.57 | Mardus | sanxiyn: "scanning will stop at first match" means to me that once a file was found that contains a matching string, it won't scan other files. |
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| 09:11.05 | peej | Mardus: I suspect what you want is grep -i -H -r * but it isn't clear |
| 09:11.08 | sanxiyn | Mardus: No, you misunderstood. |
| 09:11.16 | Mardus | selina ia bot |
| 09:11.19 | sanxiyn | Mardus: grep does scan other files. It doesn't scan the rest of file once match is found. |
| 09:11.21 | Mardus | * selina is a bot |
| 09:11.26 | jm_ | ok so he didn't mention -c previously ;) |
| 09:11.29 | sanxiyn | Mardus: see /topic, please. |
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| 09:11.47 | sanxiyn | Mardus: Namely, /mode <yournick> +E. |
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| 09:12.16 | Mardus | sanxiyn: man grep is easy to misunderstand. |
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| 09:12.26 | nkuttler | Mardus: "info grep" |
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| 09:12.56 | Mardus | sansiyn: In English, please? |
| 09:13.09 | peej | mardus : go through text book examples if you wanna get grep in your blood. |
| 09:13.18 | sanxiyn | Mardus: Please, don't report "xyz is a bot". We know. |
| 09:13.23 | sanxiyn | Mardus: That was what I meant. |
| 09:13.38 | Mardus | sanxiyn: Okay, thanks for saying this. These bots annoy me. |
| 09:13.49 | sanxiyn | Mardus: Therefore, you need to see /topic. |
| 09:14.01 | jethro | Mardus: so just register your nick, then /mode <yournick> +E and quit whining |
| 09:14.18 | jethro | Mardus: you're getting as annoying as the bots are |
| 09:14.18 | Mardus | sanxyin: Where does it say that you know about them? |
| 09:14.19 | blah123 | what does +E do? |
| 09:14.43 | Mardus | jethro: What does /mode <mynick> +E do? |
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| 09:14.55 | jethro | Mardus: /msg dpkg fn modes |
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| 09:15.06 | Mardus | jethro: What does that do? |
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| 09:15.22 | jethro | just do it |
| 09:15.24 | cmvo | Hi! Do anybody know if there is a way to restart the second phase of the Debian installation? |
| 09:15.27 | Mardus | jethro: I know the /msg dpkg part. |
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| 09:15.35 | jethro | *plonk* |
| 09:15.37 | sanxiyn | Mardus: +E enables filtering of private messages by unregistered users. |
| 09:15.38 | pingouin_ | :) |
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| 09:15.49 | pingouin_ | what did i said already ? |
| 09:15.53 | pingouin_ | ah yeah..welcome jethro ;) |
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| 09:16.08 | jethro | pingouin_: :) |
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| 09:16.51 | sanxiyn | Mardus: Do this: |
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| 09:16.57 | sanxiyn | Mardus: grep -cl <text> <files> |
| 09:17.00 | Mardus | sanxiyn: I did the mode thing. |
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| 09:17.14 | sanxiyn | Which is, equivalent to grep -l, oops. |
| 09:17.26 | sanxiyn | Mardus: Okay, I think I understood the problem... |
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| 09:18.31 | sanxiyn | Mardus: Is this what you want? You want to count number of occurences, but still filter non-matching files. |
| 09:18.36 | Mardus | sanxiyn: -l probably shows files that don't have a match. |
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| 09:18.48 | sanxiyn | Mardus: No, it shows files that does have a match. |
| 09:18.53 | blah123 | should I uninstall apache-ssl and then install apache2 or apache2 then uninstall apache-ssl? |
| 09:18.55 | sanxiyn | Mardus: What you said is done by -L. |
| 09:19.00 | Mardus | sanxiyn: I want to see filenames that contain a string. |
| 09:19.10 | sanxiyn | Mardus: So, use -l! |
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| 09:19.32 | Mardus | sanxiyn: Oh yea, it does. I mis read. I read -l as --files-without-matches |
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| 09:19.44 | sanxiyn | Mardus: Well, -l and -L does different things. |
| 09:20.00 | Mardus | sanxiyn: I'm seeing both, so it confused me. |
| 09:20.02 | jm_ | so he was using -c instead of -l |
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| 09:20.14 | blah123 | I'm also wondering why these aren't listed as conflicting |
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| 09:21.05 | sanxiyn | blah123: Because... they aren't? |
| 09:21.22 | Mardus | sanxiyn: One lists files that contain matches, the other doesn't. |
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| 09:21.42 | Mardus | Also, I don't see -c anywhere in man grep, even if I search with / |
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| 09:22.05 | Mardus | btw, I exited man and then did man grep again and found -c too |
| 09:22.08 | blah123 | sanxiyn ya didn't awnser my first question. I mean there is no apache-ssl for apache2. theres only mod_ssl for apache2 correct? |
| 09:22.11 | sanxiyn | Mardus: Search with --count. |
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| 09:22.50 | sombra | how can I set MaxAuthTries in ssh? man ssh did not help me |
| 09:22.51 | sanxiyn | blah123: Correct. |
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| 09:23.37 | kikinovak | Hi. Just trying to compile a small app for KDE (klcc, a remote dial-up client). As far as I reckon, I have to use the CVS version. Now I don't really know how to go about that. Can someone either briefly explain to me what "CVS" is about... or point me to some comprehensive doc. (Go easy, I'm a writer) |
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| 09:23.47 | blah123 | nevermind on the thing. should I install apache2 first and then uninstall apache-ssl or vice versa? |
| 09:24.04 | sanxiyn | blah123: uninstall then install. |
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| 09:24.18 | blah123 | CVS is like beta kikinovak to put it simple |
| 09:24.20 | sanxiyn | (Well, I don't think it matters too much, but that's what I'd do.) |
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| 09:24.46 | Mardus | sanxiyn: I already did search with count. The result is a list of filenames. The list subsequently is comprised of all filenames matching the filename pattern, but also filenames that contain what I actually want from them. |
| 09:24.47 | blah123 | cvs=control versioning system I believe |
| 09:24.54 | kikinovak | blah123 I understand that far... unfortunately this is the version I have to use, because others won't compile cleanly. |
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| 09:25.05 | sanxiyn | Mardus: What? |
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| 09:25.16 | sanxiyn | blah123: No, it's Concurrent Version System. |
| 09:25.16 | Mardus | sanxiyn: Sorry. |
| 09:25.17 | blah123 | kiki, its just the lastest and greatest, are you asking how to obtain a version from cvs? |
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| 09:25.26 | blah123 | sanxiyn my mistake |
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| 09:25.53 | sanxiyn | kikinovak: You get CVS version by using a tool named cvs. |
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| 09:26.05 | kikinovak | blah123 yes, how do I go about that? As far as I understand, I can't simply download and untarzip the archive. There seems to be a special tool (cvs) to do this |
| 09:26.08 | Mardus | sanxiyn: When I grep with -l and with -c, then I get a list of filenames that match *filename*, but the list contains filenames that don't have, say, number 55 in them, even if I wanted filenames with number 55 and not filenames without number 55 in them. |
| 09:26.10 | sanxiyn | kikinovak: Does "which cvs" print any. |
| 09:26.22 | kikinovak | sanxiyn as you say:o) |
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| 09:26.43 | sanxiyn | Mardus: Okay, I understand. |
| 09:26.45 | blah123 | a stupid question, but uninstalling apache-ssl wont mess with /var/www at all right? |
| 09:26.46 | kikinovak | sanxiyn yup: /usr/bin/cvs |
| 09:26.57 | sanxiyn | Mardus: grep doesn't support mixing of -l and -c. You are free to implement that. |
| 09:27.07 | sanxiyn | kikinovak: So you have cvs installed already. It goes like this: |
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| 09:27.18 | Mardus | sanxiyn: Grep doesn't support mixing of -l and -c in what way? |
| 09:27.22 | sanxiyn | kikinovak: cvs -d <cvsroot> co <modulename> |
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| 09:27.39 | sanxiyn | Mardus: In that, if you do grep -c -l, it is equivalent to grep -l. |
| 09:27.44 | sanxiyn | (i.e. it ignores -c.) |
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| 09:28.00 | sanxiyn | Mardus: What you want can be done with grep -l <rest of commandline> | grep -v 0$. |
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| 09:28.10 | sanxiyn | Eh, grep -c, I mean. |
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| 09:28.12 | blah123 | mardus what are you trying to do btw? |
| 09:28.28 | Dameon87 | its on |
| 09:28.40 | kikinovak | sanxiyn one sec... I try to grasp this concretely:o) |
| 09:28.42 | sanxiyn | blah123: He wants to do --count, but without :0 reported. |
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| 09:28.49 | Mardus | blah123: Find files with *filename* containing string. Show only files that contain string. Don't show files that contain string. |
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| 09:29.02 | Mardus | blah123: * don't show files that don't contain string |
| 09:29.07 | sanxiyn | kikinovak: Okay, can I have URL or project you want to get CVS version of |
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| 09:29.17 | zck | hi |
| 09:29.23 | sanxiyn | Mardus: grep -l does exactly that. |
| 09:29.33 | zck | where can I find a hardware supoorted list? |
| 09:29.43 | sanxiyn | Mardus: Eh, filename containing string? |
| 09:29.44 | zck | I¡m looking fot a wireless PCI |
| 09:29.49 | dondelelcaro | zck: there really isn't a list because it would be exceedingly massive |
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| 09:29.57 | sanxiyn | Mardus: echo *<somestring>* ? |
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| 09:30.07 | dondelelcaro | zck: your best bet is to search google for indications of support for the hardware you wish to run |
| 09:30.07 | zck | dondelelcaro: what can I do? |
| 09:30.12 | Mardus | sanxiyn: Find files that contain 55, only show files that contain 55 and don't show files that don't contain 55. |
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| 09:30.26 | sanxiyn | Mardus: grep -l does exactly that. |
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| 09:30.40 | blah123 | hmm you can always run grep with |wc at the end |
| 09:30.41 | sanxiyn | Mardus: This is getting tiresome. Are you intentionally being annoying? |
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| 09:30.46 | kikinovak | sanxiyn ok I don't know if this is it exactly, but here is the url: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/linecontrol/ ... and in this directory, there is another directory for 'klcc' --> the app I want to compile |
| 09:30.47 | blah123 | sloppy way of doing it tho I'm sure |
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| 09:30.51 | Mardus | sanxiyn: Yes, only when -l is placed right after grep and before the rest of commandline. |
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| 09:31.06 | sombra | how can I set MaxAuthTries in ssh somybody should know? man ssh did not help me |
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| 09:31.10 | Mardus | blah123: grep with a water closet? |
| 09:31.10 | blah123 | zck looking for wireless? |
| 09:31.16 | zck | yeah, blah123 |
| 09:31.31 | blah123 | zck be more specific |
| 09:31.34 | Mardus | blah123: Or run grep into it? |
| 09:31.36 | blah123 | mardus: man wc |
| 09:31.42 | zck | asus WL-138G |
| 09:31.44 | blah123 | it is like an external counter persay |
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| 09:31.51 | blah123 | for example ls -al |wc |
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| 09:32.15 | blah123 | what chipset does it use? |
| 09:32.15 | Mardus | blah123: I did whatis wc instead. I guess it could have also printed that wc is a toilet. |
| 09:32.20 | zck | wl-130g is supported under OpenBSD, but I don't know if it is supported in Debian too |
| 09:32.32 | jethro | sombra: man sshd_config /MaxAuth |
| 09:32.33 | sanxiyn | kikinovak: cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/linecontrol co klcc |
| 09:32.35 | blah123 | what chipset is it? |
| 09:32.42 | zck | blah123: hang on a minute |
| 09:32.46 | sanxiyn | kikinovak: Don't ask me... |
| 09:32.51 | kikinovak | sanxiyn sec |
| 09:33.25 | zck | blah123: Ralink RT2500 |
| 09:33.25 | blah123 | I dont know of debian supporting any wireless out of the box. usually requirs some manual config or module loading at least in my experience. |
| 09:33.30 | sanxiyn | kikinovak: It will work... Well, studying CVS is not a piece of cake, but just getting CVS version is not black magic. |
| 09:34.02 | Mardus | blah123: I don't need wc for what it does. |
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| 09:34.33 | dondelelcaro | blah123: it supports quite a few cards out of the box, actually |
| 09:34.34 | kikinovak | sanxiyn thank you very much. |
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| 09:34.49 | kikinovak | sanxiyn one more question: this will get me the sources, right? |
| 09:34.54 | dondelelcaro | blah123: but it will almost always default to the wired card unless you tell it explicitely to use the wireless one |
| 09:34.56 | sombra | jethro, I only find: MaxStartups in sshd_config |
| 09:35.02 | sanxiyn | kikinovak: Yes. |
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| 09:35.23 | tosh | anyone setup scponly and got it to run with winscp clients? |
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| 09:35.32 | sanxiyn | kikinovak: (That line works for any SourceForge.net hosted projects. Replace linecontrol and klcc to other values.) |
| 09:35.38 | blah123 | zck: if you do a ifconfig do you see the card? |
| 09:35.43 | kikinovak | sanxiyn I'll give it a try this moment. I'll be back, as Arnold Schwarzenegger says somewhere... |
| 09:35.43 | blah123 | or a lspci ? |
| 09:35.44 | kazzil | what the /hell/... i'm getting bot spam on freenode |
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| 09:35.54 | dondelelcaro | kazzil: /topic |
| 09:36.06 | zck | blah123: I don't have the card actually, i'm going yo buy one |
| 09:36.19 | kazzil | what is that mode dondelelcaro ? |
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| 09:36.19 | sanxiyn | zck: Ah. |
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| 09:36.27 | zck | that's the reason i'm searching |
| 09:36.30 | blah123 | http://www.credativ.com/~mst/amilo_pro/ |
| 09:36.34 | mlopes | how do I do a "dselect-install" instead of dselect-upgrade? I just want to install new packages, not upgrade them |
| 09:36.35 | blah123 | someones got it working |
| 09:36.40 | blah123 | use google, its good for you |
| 09:36.41 | sanxiyn | kazzil: +E (block unidentified): This umode prevents private messages from people who have not identified themselves to NickServ. They'll be told that their messages are bouncing. |
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| 09:36.49 | Mardus | sanxiyn: grep -l --ignore-case <stringIwant2search4> ./filenames shows a shorter list of filenames thant grep -l -c. Apparently -c overrides -l and shows counts for PATTERN in all files specified, showing files that have 0 count and files that have 1 or more count. |
| 09:36.58 | zck | yeah, i'm tired of googling |
| 09:37.02 | zck | thanks anyway |
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| 09:37.07 | blah123 | has freenode become a spam haven recently sanxiyn? I dont remember this problem like 2 weeks ago when I was on. |
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| 09:37.16 | mlopes | i'm getting plenty of spam |
| 09:37.19 | Mardus | blah123: Me neither |
| 09:37.24 | sanxiyn | Mardus: Well, I'm tired. Help yourself. |
| 09:37.26 | mlopes | free webcamera sex movie |
| 09:37.28 | mlopes | blargh |
| 09:37.28 | kazzil | is there someplace in linux to put firewalling @ startup rules? |
| 09:37.39 | sanxiyn | blah123: It seems so. |
| 09:37.52 | blah123 | kazzil /etc/init.d /etc/rc#.d |
| 09:37.55 | Mardus | sanxiyn: Yes, well, you can go to sleep, if you like. |
| 09:37.58 | kazzil | i'm trying to add NAT to this router |
| 09:37.58 | kazzil | i used to just throw a simple bash script into /etc/init.d, but i'm trying to be a little more pro this time |
| 09:38.08 | luser | shorewall |
| 09:38.20 | luser | maybe gSheild |
| 09:38.25 | dondelelcaro | zck: http://www.bb-zone.com/misc/rt2500/ looks like it has the information on that card, you'll probably have to build the driver against whatever kernel you're running to get it to work |
| 09:38.26 | kazzil | i was hoping there was already a daemon which initialized firewalls |
| 09:38.30 | jethro | damn it, sombra left too early :/ |
| 09:38.31 | blah123 | zck look at that link. it explains getting it working |
| 09:38.37 | kazzil | i dont think shorewall will do all the packet shaping i want to do |
| 09:38.42 | kazzil | wondershaper might. =] |
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| 09:38.51 | Mardus | sanxiyn: I think I might have solved my grep issue anyway. |
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| 09:39.08 | luser | you said firewall so I did not know about traffic shaping sorry man |
| 09:39.30 | zck | dondelelcaro: oks, thx |
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| 09:41.20 | kazzil | firewall and traffic shaping are almost literally the same thing |
| 09:41.34 | luser | http://www.my-opensource.org/howto/qostrafficshaping-shorewall-wondershaper-howto.html |
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| 09:41.49 | blah123 | actually its quite differn't |
| 09:42.08 | kikinovak | sanxiyn well it sort of worked... I got a klcc directory all right... only half the files seem to be missing. |
| 09:42.23 | blah123 | traffic shaping is usually used for priority, as in more complex rules other then FIFO, firewalling is rules that determent allow and deny. |
| 09:42.24 | luser | guess I am a luser with no special knowledge of QoS or traffic shaping |
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| 09:42.38 | kazzil | i know how to do all the traffic shaping / firewall / qos stuff |
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| 09:42.47 | lunatech | is there any web based admin tool for courier imap ? |
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| 09:43.00 | blah123 | lunatech what do you mean? |
| 09:43.11 | blah123 | admin tool for what? |
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| 09:43.12 | kazzil | my question is: is there a designated point of integration already in debian where i'm supposed to put network configuration / firewall / packet shaping stuff |
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| 09:43.33 | kazzil | i still cant make a start-stop-daemon shell script for the life of me |
| 09:43.36 | blah123 | kazzil : /etc/init.d/networking ? |
| 09:43.44 | luser | apt-get shorewall |
| 09:43.48 | luser | apt-get wondershaper |
| 09:43.58 | kazzil | i've been diving through it for a bit; networking is scary |
| 09:43.59 | blah123 | luser: I think he already has the commands he wants |
| 09:44.01 | Ravious | Hello Everyone, I'm trying to mount a Linksys Network Storage Link (NSLU2) in Debian using smbmount and i'm not having any luck, anyone able to offer any help? |
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| 09:44.21 | luser | sorry I am a luser and only half awake sorry |
| 09:44.31 | kazzil | haha |
| 09:44.33 | blah123 | kazzil ip-chains? |
| 09:44.44 | notty | i have a problem removing snort it says: rmdir: `/etc/snort': No such file or directory.. i tried with --force-all what else should i do ? |
| 09:45.04 | dondelelcaro | notty: just mkdir /etc/snort; and try it again. |
| 09:45.11 | dondelelcaro | notty: then file a bug |
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| 09:45.25 | kazzil | oh crap, i thought this LCD was looking funny. its runnign 75 hz |
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| 09:45.34 | jm_ | Ravious: can you ping it at all? |
| 09:45.37 | notty | dondelelcaro: dosen't work.. it removes the /etc/snort dir but still complains |
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| 09:45.43 | kazzil | blah123: yeah, that sound much more appropriate |
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| 09:45.56 | dondelelcaro | notty: use the paster bot to paste the complete output of the removal run |
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| 09:46.00 | Ravious | yes, the storage link is online and accessable from all my other systems, I just cant mount it |
| 09:46.04 | blah123 | kazzil no I mean are you using ip-chains |
| 09:46.09 | Ravious | from smbmount |
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| 09:46.59 | jm_ | try smbclient |
| 09:47.20 | Ravious | I dont know how to use that lol |
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| 09:48.14 | notty | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/602 |
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| 09:48.44 | ircdude | anyone here know of a good irc info channel? i need to find a nickserv bot for my irc server |
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| 09:49.01 | dondelelcaro | notty: just rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/snort.postrm; you may need to clean up stuff manually after. |
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| 09:50.01 | jm_ | ircdevil: apt-cache search nickserv |
| 09:50.06 | jm_ | ircdude ^^^^^ |
| 09:50.17 | ircdude | im running windows :P |
| 09:50.28 | Dameon87 | #AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 09:50.28 | Dameon87 | #AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps |
| 09:50.28 | jm_ | you're asking in a wrong channel |
| 09:50.42 | ircdude | true but im just looking for a script for my current bot |
| 09:50.56 | ircdude | needs to be in python |
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| 09:51.10 | dondelelcaro | ircdude: bots don't do nickserv; that's part of the ircd services |
| 09:51.15 | row | Hi there I recently tried upgrading kernel on my laptop running ext3 on root patition, but when I upgrade to any kernel it seems now they all fail to boot root partition iirc when I compile myself its fine dies with ramdisk to large or what ever, is there a fix for this? |
| 09:51.26 | notty | dondelelcaro: ok.. another thing if i give apt-get remove snort.. it works.. but when i reinstall it it dosent' reisntall the files in /etc/snort... any ideea how to resolve it ? |
| 09:51.48 | dondelelcaro | notty: yes, because it's not supposed to; removing configuration files is a valid administrative action. |
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| 09:51.54 | Ravious | Anyone able to offer any help with smbmount? |
| 09:52.00 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 09:52.00 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 09:52.02 | ircdude | then im using a bad server then :( |
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| 09:52.26 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: confmiss =~ s/Options/Options::/ |
| 09:52.26 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 09:52.29 | notty | dondelelcaro: ok i'll try that |
| 09:52.34 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 09:52.34 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 09:52.41 | dondelelcaro | notty: note the trailing :: |
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| 09:53.36 | row | Anyone able to help with not been able to mount root partition which is ext3 on any kernel upgrades? |
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| 09:53.49 | Laibsch | Hi, I try to use a USB mouse with my laptop. I run the stock Debian kernel 2.4.27-2-686. The following USB-related modules are loaded usbmouse, usb-uhci, usbnet, usbcore, input, mii, crc32. The mouse was apparently recognized, there are some entries in syslog. But the mouse will not work. What do I need to do? |
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| 09:54.02 | lunatech | blah123: to set quotas, insert virtual domains, create users for courier imap |
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| 09:54.12 | InitMass | is it possible to unmount even if the device is busy? |
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| 09:54.37 | lunatech | blah123: i am using a mysql backend - if there is some tool to do inserts it willbe helpful |
| 09:54.49 | dondelelcaro | InitMass: yes, use the -l option to mount; man mount. |
| 09:54.53 | dondelelcaro | rep2: /topic... |
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| 09:55.15 | ircdude | 2 cam bots already |
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| 09:55.24 | Laibsch | row: Do /umode +E or look at the freenode website. |
| 09:55.37 | row | yeah I know about it |
| 09:55.38 | dondelelcaro | use +E already; we know, don't tell us about it. |
| 09:55.44 | InitMass | dondelelcaro, mount -l : lists all mounted file systems (of type type). |
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| 09:55.47 | rep2 | what does +E mean? |
| 09:55.57 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.04 | dondelelcaro | InitMass: umount -l |
| 09:56.09 | Laibsch | dondelelcaro: Why not? I did not know you where aware of it. |
| 09:56.11 | InitMass | dondelelcaro, hehe ok |
| 09:56.17 | row | I am not bothered atm, I just really need to work out why all kerenel images I upgrade too from mirrors can't mount my root parition |
| 09:56.31 | dondelelcaro | Laibsch: see the topic? Notice who set it? |
| 09:56.34 | kazzil | how do you program dpkg bot? |
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| 09:56.38 | kazzil | someone program a good +E |
| 09:56.40 | dondelelcaro | kazzil: /msg dpkg help |
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| 09:56.44 | jim | row: because they can't see your HD hardware? |
| 09:56.47 | dondelelcaro | !mode e |
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| 09:56.53 | dpkg | +E makes it such that only nickserv identified users can /msg you |
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| 09:57.02 | row | jim: would that be the only reason? |
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| 09:57.32 | jethro | dondelelcaro: shouldn't that be "mode E" ? or is the bot case insensitive? |
| 09:57.33 | jm_ | row: did you make sure initrd image is loaded by bootloader? |
| 09:57.47 | dondelelcaro | jethro: you can ask it for mode E if you want |
| 09:57.50 | jm_ | !mODE e |
| 09:57.50 | dpkg | +E makes it such that only nickserv identified users can /msg you |
| 09:57.52 | jim | no, because there are other things that could be necessary to mount your / |
| 09:57.57 | jm_ | it is ;) |
| 09:57.57 | jethro | aight |
| 09:57.57 | jethro | :) |
| 09:57.58 | row | jim: I ran apt-get install <image name>;update-grub |
| 09:58.01 | rep2 | is there a program/info on how to stream the display and audio output of a linux box? |
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| 09:58.16 | ircdude | GELiN^ <<<<<< cam bot |
| 09:58.26 | jm_ | row: verify it manually, GRUB also tells you if it loaded initrd image |
| 09:58.31 | jim | so you got <image name>_*.deb? :) |
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| 09:58.39 | kazzil | !E+ |
| 09:58.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, e+ is a mode that informs freenode to reject messages from people not logged in to NickServ |
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| 09:59.09 | dondelelcaro | ircdude: if you look up, you'll notice that debhelper has already banned that ip, and that user isn't even on this channel. Please, don't bother to announce them |
| 09:59.09 | kazzil | i wish dpkg programming rules were more clear |
| 09:59.11 | ircdude | how do you block names from pming you? |
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| 09:59.16 | kazzil | "I learn by natural language processing" my fucking ass |
| 09:59.20 | row | jim: I tried the 2.6.7-k7 kerenel image and the 2.6.8.11 or something or other |
| 09:59.20 | dondelelcaro | ircdude: just /mode ircdude +E |
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| 09:59.48 | jim | row: well maybe we should try to work out why exactly this is happening to you |
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| 10:00.16 | jim | you're asking for possible reasons... perhaps because you want to be the one doing the working :) |
| 10:00.17 | row | jim: I rebooted system and its happening to all my images |
| 10:00.31 | kazzil | do i have to use masquerading if i dont have a static ip address? |
| 10:00.33 | dondelelcaro | kazzil: eh? what about it? It learns by seeing things like foo is bar. |
| 10:00.34 | row | jim: I have tried fixing it before. |
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| 10:00.40 | jim | when you created the images, did you say --initrd? |
| 10:00.46 | syntaxx | is it possible to change the application font? |
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| 10:00.49 | row | jim: apart from the inage I installed with |
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| 10:00.55 | row | jim: no |
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| 10:01.13 | jim | wait, let me back up one step... |
| 10:01.15 | row | jim: I just ram apt-get install kerne-image-2.6.7 for example tehn I ran update-grub |
| 10:01.20 | jim | are you trying to build a kernel? |
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| 10:01.38 | row | ran* |
| 10:01.59 | jim | like, from source? |
| 10:02.22 | jim | dpkg: foo is bar |
| 10:02.22 | dpkg | ...but foo is already something else... |
| 10:02.32 | row | jim: no just "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.7" then "update-grub" |
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| 10:02.34 | jim | argh! dpkg is dumm! :) |
| 10:02.56 | kazzil | n!foo |
| 10:02.57 | kazzil | !foo |
| 10:02.57 | dpkg | foo is probably like smurf |
| 10:02.58 | ircdude | dpk: roulette |
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| 10:03.02 | kazzil | LIES |
| 10:03.17 | ircdude | !dpkg roulette |
| 10:03.23 | ircdude | o well |
| 10:03.28 | DrZoot | anyone konw how i can make gcc / cpp search for libs and includes in non standard places |
| 10:03.32 | ircdude | its a fun game anyway |
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| 10:03.34 | jim | ok... what other images do you have? (looking for versions) |
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| 10:04.30 | row | jim: only one that works is the bf2 image I did to install the system, I then have another 2.4 which does not load and a 2.6.7-11-1 or something and 2.6.7 only f2 works. |
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| 10:04.36 | laurens_ | hi. |
| 10:04.37 | sema4 | anyone a debian kernel curu in here? |
| 10:04.40 | sema4 | guru |
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| 10:04.57 | jim | I'm not a curu, but I like curry.... |
| 10:05.02 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/foo.html> and <bar> |
| 10:05.02 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 10:05.12 | laurens_ | The debian-installer faq tells me that there are no official install floppies for i386 that have a 2.6 kernel -- are there any unofficial ones |
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| 10:05.39 | sema4 | specifically ... why the hell does the official kernel 2.6.11.12 have bootsplash ... but the deb version is missing it |
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| 10:05.53 | row | there is a debian installer that will do ext3 with 2.6 from the go? |
| 10:05.53 | row | nice |
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| 10:06.20 | dondelelcaro | last time I checked 2.6.11.2 didn't have bootsplash |
| 10:06.25 | jim | laurens_: I thought the problem was a floppy was too small to store the image |
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| 10:06.41 | sema4 | dondelelcaro: sorry ... .12 |
| 10:06.43 | row | get mini net install iso |
| 10:06.59 | sema4 | dondelelcaro: actualy ... im not sorry |
| 10:07.00 | luser | arent floppies a dead tech almost |
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| 10:07.18 | sema4 | dondelelcaro: I just downloaded .11.12 ... and it's in there |
| 10:07.28 | row | jim: have you any ideas, is it something I am doing or is it just busted some how and shall I just compile my own kernel? |
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| 10:07.34 | SunDevil | heu |
| 10:07.36 | dondelelcaro | sema4: from where? |
| 10:07.48 | SunDevil | how can you see if there's a cdrom attached to a remote machine? |
| 10:07.51 | jim | row: it sounds like you're doing everything fine |
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| 10:08.04 | sema4 | the thing that sucks ... is the deb kernel doesn't compile when patched with the bootsplash.de patch |
| 10:08.09 | jim | but let's try to see what else could be going on... |
| 10:08.15 | jon_is_tired | Gentoo is better !! |
| 10:08.16 | sema4 | dondelelcaro: ftp.kernel.org |
| 10:08.20 | jim | did you change anything major lately? |
| 10:08.30 | jim | dpkg, gentoo is butter |
| 10:08.30 | dpkg | ...but gentoo is already something else... |
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| 10:08.50 | row | jim: not that I know of, but a while back was playing with pmcia stuff. |
| 10:09.01 | row | pcmcia* |
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| 10:09.15 | jim | ok.. is this a laptop? |
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| 10:09.27 | row | jim: acer aspire 1300 |
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| 10:09.53 | SunDevil | how can you see if there's a cdrom attached to a remote machine? |
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| 10:10.25 | dondelelcaro | SunDevil: check dmesg |
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| 10:10.27 | jim | SunDevil: if you go to where it is and look at it, that's a way |
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| 10:10.49 | SunDevil | jim: that would be a 3 hour drive |
| 10:10.53 | luser | SunDevil: be more specific |
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| 10:11.03 | luser | do you have SSH access to it? |
| 10:11.12 | SunDevil | its a debian machine with some problems. before i go over there i need to know if it has a cdrom palyer |
| 10:11.18 | luser | is it on a console server? |
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| 10:11.21 | SunDevil | yes ssh and /proc |
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| 10:11.29 | SunDevil | but i cant find any reference |
| 10:11.32 | dondelelcaro | SunDevil: so ssh in and look at dmesg or the kernel boot log in /var/log/kernel.log |
| 10:11.34 | jm_ | so look at dmesg output and /proc stuff |
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| 10:11.55 | SunDevil | i also have a local machine with debian that HAS a cdrom but nothing in /proc or dmesg |
| 10:12.00 | jim | a three-hour tour... the ocean started getting rough, the big server was tossed, if not for the courage of the bofh admin, his job would be lost... |
| 10:12.05 | jim | his job would be lost... |
| 10:12.24 | luser | df -Tak show anything? |
| 10:12.25 | dondelelcaro | SunDevil: it's usually pretty obvious, like hdc: ATAPI 40X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33) |
| 10:12.55 | luser | /etc/fstab show anything? |
| 10:13.00 | jm_ | dmesg us a ring buffer, its contents get overwritten with time, but there's kernel.log file which is very helpful, and /proc will list it |
| 10:13.04 | jm_ | is* |
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| 10:13.32 | SunDevil | jm_: where will /proc list it? |
| 10:13.34 | dondelelcaro | SunDevil: or sudo cat /proc/ide/hdc/driver yielding ide-cdrom version 4.61 is also a big clue. |
| 10:13.39 | SunDevil | i tried /ide |
| 10:13.45 | row | jim: does it make a difference if this is a laptop? |
| 10:13.52 | row | jim: which it is. |
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| 10:13.58 | jim | not sure, but maybe |
| 10:13.59 | jm_ | SunDevil: it depends on what kind of drive it is - /proc/ide, or /proc/scsi or ... |
| 10:14.02 | luser | scsi cdrom? |
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| 10:14.06 | dondelelcaro | sure |
| 10:14.10 | SunDevil | no, ide |
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| 10:15.08 | SimonRaven | and /var/log/dmesg shows the original buffer from boot sequence |
| 10:15.26 | jm_ | indeed, that's a very useful Debian feature |
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| 10:16.07 | luser | egrep -ri cd /proc/ide |
| 10:16.19 | luser | egrep -ri cd /proc/scsi |
| 10:16.25 | ircdude | anyone know of any nickser servers? |
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| 10:16.45 | row | jim: I am just going to compile a new kernel you seem rather busy, cheers for your time tho. |
| 10:16.46 | jm_ | hybserv |
| 10:16.53 | jm_ | so yes, there are people who know them |
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| 10:17.14 | ircdude | :P |
| 10:17.14 | ircdude | thanks |
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| 10:17.43 | jim | row: np; remember you probably want to build everything needed to mount root into the kernel... if you do that you probably won't need initrd |
| 10:17.45 | SunDevil | luser: well, im guessing it doesnt have one or its connected, cuz i cannot seem to find it |
| 10:17.54 | SunDevil | thank for the help |
| 10:17.59 | luser | good luck |
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| 10:18.04 | luser | hope it works out for you |
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| 10:18.24 | jim | row: about being busy... I'm just tired, and not too well handling the multitask thing |
| 10:18.39 | luser | take a full tool kit with you like a cdrom and cable and live cd and many other stuffs |
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| 10:19.34 | ircdude | darn this server |
| 10:19.38 | jim | like stuffed shrimp, stuffed bell pepper, stuffed lobster, you know, stuffs! |
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| 10:19.50 | luser | I love being unemployed I can do tech sup for anyone |
| 10:20.03 | js_ | you can also type a lot of spaces |
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| 10:20.26 | ircdude | why not work as a phone tech for your local phone or cable company? |
| 10:20.29 | jim | tie some yellow spaces round the old oak tree... |
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| 10:21.15 | luser | ircdude: see my nick |
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| 10:22.04 | luser | I do not do M$ or $CO and not even IBM |
| 10:22.17 | jim | UBM? |
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| 10:22.37 | ircdude | well working for twc works for me |
| 10:22.59 | jim | if !UBM then you will be in a world of hurt in just a few days! |
| 10:23.01 | luser | India Business Machines |
| 10:23.25 | luser | w3bsfear people |
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| 10:23.45 | nomad_cz | Hi. Anyone using "monit" ? |
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| 10:24.07 | TyreseJones | I'm having a hard time getting grub to read the menu.lst but all all i have on the machine is grub itself, and no CD, or disk drive and no NIC |
| 10:24.35 | jm_ | TyreseJones: does it work if you load it manually? |
| 10:24.56 | TyreseJones | jm_, Yes, i can get it to boot if I type all the commands myself, but that is WAY less than ideal! |
| 10:25.22 | jm_ | TyreseJones: wait, where is GRUB installed if there's no CD/disk drive/... |
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| 10:25.43 | TyreseJones | jm_, grub is installed on the local HD |
| 10:25.55 | skate | i think he meant no floppy, not disk drive |
| 10:25.58 | jm_ | TyreseJones: so there is hard disk then, does configfile command work? |
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| 10:26.40 | sema4 | aarrrh MOFO ... why include bootsplsh ... when the fucking thing doesn't compile ... holy shit |
| 10:27.11 | TyreseJones | configfile works - but i want it to do it when it boots, not when it gets to the grub prompt |
| 10:27.25 | jm_ | check what's stored in stage2 regarding config file |
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| 10:28.43 | jm_ | strings /boot/grub/stage2|pager |
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| 10:29.31 | TyreseJones | strings is an unrecognised command |
| 10:29.38 | InitMass | is it possible to mount a dir with mount -o....? |
| 10:30.03 | jm_ | mount a dir? |
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| 10:30.06 | luser | www.ubm-usa.org/ ? |
| 10:30.22 | Gathond | InitMass: no |
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| 10:33.42 | TyreseJones | jm_, strings comes up as an invalid command |
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| 10:34.00 | nkuttler | TyreseJones: what do you mean, mount a dir? |
| 10:34.01 | jm_ | TyreseJones: time to install it? |
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| 10:34.19 | jm_ | TyreseJones: or use a hexeditor, will work too |
| 10:34.21 | TyreseJones | nkuttler, Umm.. i never said anything about mounting a directory |
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| 10:34.36 | nkuttler | InitMass: what do you mean, mount a dir? |
| 10:34.41 | nkuttler | TyreseJones: sorry |
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| 10:34.53 | InitMass | nkuttler, yes |
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| 10:35.03 | nkuttler | InitMass: explain |
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| 10:35.08 | TyreseJones | jm_, Is it possible to use the install command at the grub prompt to reconfigure it? |
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| 10:35.16 | jm_ | TyreseJones: nope |
| 10:35.35 | jm_ | TyreseJones: wait, sure there is |
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| 10:35.46 | InitMass | nkuttler, i want to mount a directory like this. mount -o /..../CD1 /cdrom. something like that if it's possible |
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| 10:35.56 | jm_ | TyreseJones: but it will mean reinstalling it - I usually install GRUB using install command |
| 10:35.59 | sema4 | anyone here got bootsplash working successfully? |
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| 10:36.06 | jm_ | InitMass: bind mount option |
| 10:36.14 | nkuttler | InitMass: i don't get you... sounds like you want a symlink or mount bind |
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| 10:37.10 | jm_ | TyreseJones: but I would copy fresh stage? files in /boot/grub before doing it |
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| 10:37.26 | Ravious | anyone able to offer any help with smbmount? |
| 10:38.00 | InitMass | nkuttler, jm_ : i'm trying to install a program which should have been burned on two cds instead of one dvd. and i have to be able to trick the installation program to think that i'm chaning cd to cd2 when it's asking for it. |
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| 10:38.18 | Pinnen | any trick to get the damn spambots not to msg me? |
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| 10:38.25 | nkuttler | Pinnen: /topic |
| 10:38.28 | Pinnen | :)) |
| 10:38.32 | streuner | Pinnen: /msg Pinnen +E |
| 10:38.33 | Pinnen | ok |
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| 10:38.51 | Pinnen | tnx |
| 10:38.57 | streuner | well, this IP 62.162.243.52 is a spambot |
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| 10:39.09 | Snig64 | can anyone give me info and /or help on bind |
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| 10:39.22 | skate | yo, i just realized after looking at crontab that this server is almost _never_ booted at the times listed in here |
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| 10:39.33 | nkuttler | Snig64: apt-cache search bind doc |
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| 10:39.34 | osXecuter | hello everyone, the guys at the Mac for x86 project need your support, any serious programmers who have driver writing experience can join us, we are currently trying to write drivers for Nvidia & Ati Graphic cards. |
| 10:39.34 | osXecuter | http://tinyurl.com/8kp5x |
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| 10:39.44 | skate | what is the better solution, editing the times to a time later in the day or just running the cron jobs manually |
| 10:39.48 | skate | and how would i do so |
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| 10:40.05 | streuner | !date |
| 10:40.05 | dpkg | The current date is Mon Aug 29 10:40:05 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 10:40.09 | streuner | bah |
| 10:40.53 | streuner | skate: you have on both boxes ntpdate installed? |
| 10:41.04 | skate | yes |
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| 10:41.35 | Ravious | anyone able to offer any help with smbmount? |
| 10:41.45 | skate | Ravious. just ask the damn question |
| 10:41.58 | Ravious | ok |
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| 10:42.29 | TyreseJones | Pinnen, I'm having the same problem with these damn spambots |
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| 10:42.41 | Ravious | Im trying to mount a Linksys Network Storage Link using debian, "mount -t smbfs -o username=****,password=**** //fileserver/disk1 /home/webmaster/media" But it displayes no errors, yet when I goto the directory, there are no files there.. |
| 10:42.48 | nkuttler | TyreseJones: /topic |
| 10:42.50 | InitMass | nkuttler, jm_ : possible? |
| 10:42.53 | streuner | read the _fine_ /topic then |
| 10:43.05 | Pinnen | TyreseJones: /umode +E |
| 10:43.06 | jm_ | skate: anachron, @reboot lines in crontab tables |
| 10:43.07 | Pinnen | hehe |
| 10:43.12 | nkuttler | InitMass: if symlinks dont trick it... |
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| 10:43.30 | nkuttler | InitMass: i guess you could cp the image to your disk and mount bind |
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| 10:43.36 | nkuttler | InitMass: easier to burn probably though |
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| 10:43.59 | InitMass | nkuttler, hmm. i am trying a new method with --bind now. i hope it will work |
| 10:44.10 | jm_ | ravenbird: did you test it with smbclient? |
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| 10:44.14 | jm_ | gah |
| 10:44.18 | jm_ | Ravious: did you test it with smbclient? |
| 10:44.20 | Ravious | I dont know how |
| 10:44.20 | liable | wtf is the story with the damn bots anyway? is it the new server code or.. ? |
| 10:44.43 | jim | ravenbird: are you a good birdie |
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| 10:44.50 | jm_ | man smbclient |
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| 10:45.43 | liable | so, no-one knows why freenode is getting blasted lately?.. |
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| 10:46.05 | jim | liable: do you? |
| 10:46.10 | midg3t | there's a new scriptkiddie born every day |
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| 10:46.24 | liable | jim: um, would i ask if I did? |
| 10:46.34 | streuner | liable: those spambots visited us (#debian) since serveral months ago (/msg'ing p0rn sites), last friday a botnet started attac NOT only us - whole freenode |
| 10:46.34 | jim | dunno :) |
| 10:47.02 | InitMass | this makes me go crazy. i want to be able to unmount even when the device is busy |
| 10:47.28 | streuner | liable: first they attac freenode with (join and leave) and serveral hours with the _OLD_ way (p0rn websites) |
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| 10:47.29 | jim | InitMass: edit kernel source, recompile, be happy... |
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| 10:47.34 | midg3t | is it possible for root to force another user (on another tty/pty) to log off? |
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| 10:47.48 | streuner | liable: google for 'botnet' |
| 10:47.49 | jm_ | midg3t: kill their shell |
| 10:47.50 | InitMass | jim, so i have to compile in something? |
| 10:47.56 | midg3t | ok |
| 10:47.57 | nkuttler | midg3t: apt-get install slay |
| 10:47.58 | midg3t | ta |
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| 10:48.21 | jim | no... so you have to change how the kernel behaves |
| 10:48.34 | liable | streuner: ok, cheers.. |
| 10:48.35 | rixth | Are the spambots _still_ attacking? I thought if I lay low a few days they might go away! |
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| 10:48.58 | midg3t | ooh, this could be good. i was wondering how in a public terminal setting you'd kill all of a user's processes on logout. looks like slay is a good method :) |
| 10:49.00 | rixth | Geez, now they adverrise porn, before is was only ctcp's |
| 10:49.05 | streuner | rixth: open your eyes! |
| 10:49.42 | jm_ | you don't need slay for that, kill can do that by itself for your own user |
| 10:49.42 | nkuttler | midg3t: you'll kill screen sessions as well, that could upset some users |
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| 10:49.42 | jim | chick cores sez: open your eyes, you can fly... |
| 10:49.43 | streuner | rixth: serveral month we have p0rn /msg |
| 10:49.52 | rixth | streuner, I don't see why lilo just bans the whole ip class for a few days |
| 10:49.56 | midg3t | nkuttler: i was thinking of school student machines. we wouldn't want them running _anything_ after logoff |
| 10:50.00 | rixth | streuner, no its been _really_ bad the last week |
| 10:50.02 | streuner | rixth: but this is very new to us (join and leave) _AND_ attacing freenode |
| 10:50.16 | lostdj | hello |
| 10:50.17 | midg3t | secondary school, that is |
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| 10:50.29 | nkuttler | midg3t: ah |
| 10:50.33 | moreniya | olaaaa |
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| 10:50.38 | streuner | rixth: those IP's have a too wide range of all ISP's |
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| 10:50.57 | lostdj | how can i install debian with gui? |
| 10:50.57 | rixth | streuner, no, there are patterns them |
| 10:51.00 | midg3t | too high chance of someone thinking it'd be fun to run a few infinite loops in a detached process |
| 10:51.16 | rixth | 212.156.*.* and there's another block thats really bad |
| 10:51.17 | liable | debian has a gui? |
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| 10:51.33 | jim | lostdj: first get a gui, add 1/4 teaspoon debian, mix well, shake well, stand back |
| 10:51.33 | lostdj | m.. sarge? |
| 10:51.40 | lostdj | :) |
| 10:51.44 | nkuttler | lostdj: did you read the install guide? |
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| 10:52.00 | lostdj | i can`t understand anything from there :)) |
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| 10:52.09 | nkuttler | lostdj: read it again |
| 10:52.20 | lostdj | (about how install debian with graphical gui) |
| 10:52.22 | jim | lostdj: maybe a dictionary would help |
| 10:52.31 | lostdj | k.. -_- |
| 10:52.35 | streuner | rixth: look, i.e. 85.10?.x.x has a turkish ISP, but in this range is also a swiss ISP there, banning all this is NOT that easy |
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| 10:52.52 | sema4 | is anyone using bootsplash? |
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| 10:53.12 | midg3t | is sourceforge unbearably slow for other users? |
| 10:53.16 | nkuttler | lostdj: tell us what sentence you don't understand |
| 10:53.17 | rixth | Then lilo should lock out all new registrations to NickServ for a while and make everyone /mode rixth +e |
| 10:53.26 | nkuttler | midg3t: it always is |
| 10:53.28 | jim | lostdj: first install debian without gui,,, then install gui |
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| 10:53.30 | liable | sema4: no |
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| 10:53.55 | streuner | rixth: in this case you would ban everyone who is not familar with IRC... |
| 10:54.05 | skate | i think he wants to know if there is a graphical installer |
| 10:54.23 | skate | jm_: where do i find anachron, is that something that is still only in testing/unstable? |
| 10:54.28 | skate | i'm not finding it in stable |
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| 10:54.51 | liable | !tell skate about find |
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| 10:54.53 | streuner | rixth: and that's not a way to threat NEW people who are interested in linux and free software |
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| 10:55.12 | rixth | streuner, acceptable if you ask me. Only have it for a couple days and make it obvious thats whats going on |
| 10:55.17 | skate | whatever that meant |
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| 10:55.24 | midg3t | skate: try anacron |
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| 10:55.26 | liable | !tell skate about search |
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| 10:56.04 | moreniya | wenas¡¡¡¡¡ |
| 10:56.18 | streuner | rixth: you have the possibilty to /mode nick +E, and dondelelcaro are working at debhelper to avoid join and leave spambots... |
| 10:56.20 | nkuttler | moreniya: do you have a question about debian? |
| 10:56.21 | skate | found it, big ups midg3t |
| 10:56.24 | streuner | that should help |
| 10:56.24 | liable | indeed! |
| 10:56.29 | midg3t | :) |
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| 10:56.36 | moreniya | no ablo ingles |
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| 10:56.41 | nkuttler | !es |
| 10:56.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 10:56.55 | streuner | rixth: if you using irssi just /msg dpkg nospambots too |
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| 10:57.02 | streuner | !nospambots |
| 10:57.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less |
| 10:57.26 | rixth | streuner, /mode rixth +E does nothing. I think they may have learned to identify? |
| 10:57.43 | streuner | rixth: what irc-client do you use? |
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| 10:57.55 | rixth | streuner, xchat 2.4 |
| 10:57.57 | streuner | rixth: i have no problems here |
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| 10:58.16 | rixth | streuner, hmmm, is +e different from +E in this case? |
| 10:58.21 | streuner | yes |
| 10:58.29 | rixth | That might help then |
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| 10:58.45 | demigod | hello, has anyone had any experience getting dlink gigabit NIC up ? |
| 10:58.47 | streuner | +e is to identified and +E is to avoid /msg unidentifed users |
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| 10:58.54 | streuner | !mode e |
| 10:58.54 | dpkg | +E makes it such that only nickserv identified users can /msg you |
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| 10:59.00 | demigod | the damn this is throwing all kinds of errors |
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| 10:59.09 | rixth | Handy, thanks |
| 10:59.19 | Ekaterin | Has gmc disappeared from sarge, and if so, what should we be using instead? |
| 10:59.22 | Ravious | OK!, The network storage link is found by samba client.. |
| 10:59.35 | jim | demigod: what you might want to do is put your experiences so far on some web page... |
| 10:59.39 | Ravious | It displayed a list of the network shares |
| 10:59.43 | streuner | Ekaterin: take a look at gentoo ;-) |
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| 10:59.48 | streuner | !info gentoo |
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| 10:59.51 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.46-1 (sid), Packaged size: 741 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB |
| 11:00.06 | rixth | !info mozilla-firefox etch |
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| 11:00.26 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
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| 11:01.06 | rixth | 1.0.4 deb supposedly contains the seucirty updates of 1.0.6 then why not change the version to 1.0.6? |
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| 11:01.33 | streuner | rixth: just use binaries of mozilla.org |
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| 11:02.45 | alfatau | hi, i've a debian sarge installed. how to see a list of the currently installed daemons or services? |
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| 11:02.47 | streuner | rixth: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mozilla-firefox.html |
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| 11:03.05 | jim | rixth: for stable? |
| 11:03.12 | streuner | etch |
| 11:03.14 | rixth | jim, testing |
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| 11:03.38 | streuner | alfatau: man ps |
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| 11:03.43 | Loevborg | I want to use mutt solely with IMAP, but when I open "mutt -f imap://..." I always get "~/Mail does not exist". How to stop this annoying behaviour? |
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| 11:04.05 | jim | maybe that version is in sid and hasnt leaked into testing |
| 11:04.11 | jm_ | try setting move to no |
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| 11:04.19 | jm_ | Loevborg ^^^^^ |
| 11:04.22 | streuner | jimrixth: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mozilla-firefox.html |
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| 11:04.28 | streuner | jim: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mozilla-firefox.html |
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| 11:05.03 | streuner | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mozilla-firefox |
| 11:05.22 | alfatau | streuner: not currently "running", but currently installed: isn't there a command which lets me see what services are now installed on my runlevel? like doing ls /etc/rc2.d/ ... |
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| 11:05.34 | Loevborg | jm_, doesn't work... |
| 11:05.38 | liable | netstat? |
| 11:05.38 | jm_ | alfatau: yes, if you install it |
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| 11:05.59 | alfatau | jm_: what? |
| 11:06.00 | jm_ | Loevborg: set folder to something that exists |
| 11:06.08 | lostdj | Generally only the newt frontend is available on default install media, so this is not very useful right now. |
| 11:06.09 | lostdj | :/ |
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| 11:06.29 | Loevborg | jm_, "set folder=" works. thanks! |
| 11:06.33 | jm_ | alfatau: apt-cache search sysv |
| 11:06.48 | streuner | !info sysv |
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| 11:07.12 | alfatau | jm_: thanks, is it for command line ? (i hope it is...) |
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| 11:07.17 | lostdj | and my install dvd havent another installation progz |
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| 11:07.48 | jm_ | alfatau: it's ncurses based - keep in mind that some services run from inetd |
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| 11:09.05 | alfatau | jm_: ah, ok... and (last question :D) can i see also the /etc/rcS.d/ installed services and/or a short description of them? |
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| 11:10.22 | mwilson | I give up. |
| 11:10.31 | mwilson | I can't use it... it's just too soggy. |
| 11:10.37 | streuner | heh |
| 11:11.15 | jim | alfatau: probably... usually what you see in /etc/init.d are scripts that turn services on and off... usually the names of these scripts are names of the packages which they came in (sometimes not) |
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| 11:11.21 | mwilson | No Mountain Dew on the desktop THIS time... |
| 11:11.26 | jim | alfatau: probably... usually what you see in /etc/init.d are scripts that turn services on and off... usually the names of these scripts are names of the packages which they came in (sometimes not) |
| 11:11.31 | rixth | Ew gross |
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| 11:11.44 | alfatau | jm_: i'm sorry, my connection failed... did you see my last message?? |
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| 11:12.07 | jim | did you see your last message? :) |
| 11:12.10 | mwilson | Plug the damaged keyboard in and X does the most interesting things... none of them having much to do with correct keyboard functions, though. |
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| 11:12.37 | rixth | mwilson, just leave the keyboard out on the driveway for a few days! |
| 11:12.38 | jm_ | alfatau: did you read /etc/rcS.d/README? |
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| 11:12.43 | liable | mwilson: so, dont use a damaged keyboard? |
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| 11:12.59 | rixth | I wish my mp3 player supported Audilbe. I love their service |
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| 11:13.07 | mwilson | I really do like the look of the Sun keyboard... I like the look, the extra keys, etc. But the feel sucks rocks. I need a keyboard with at least a LITTLE clicky-ness. |
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| 11:13.25 | Guerin | rixth: your mp3 player needs support for music services before you can use it? |
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| 11:13.42 | mwilson | Now I need to find another one of these on ebay |
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| 11:14.06 | jim | or fix the one you have, which might be possible |
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| 11:14.25 | rixth | Guerin, no, the fact that it didn't support OGG or FLAC or AA didn't worry me in the slighest. I even have to use Windows to transfer my music, but I don't mind because it's a superios peice of hardware |
| 11:14.36 | Guerin | hahahaha |
| 11:14.42 | alfatau | jm_: yes i red, but it doesn't seem to give me an answer.. .:D |
| 11:14.46 | rixth | Well, shocking typos |
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| 11:14.49 | mwilson | Well, I'm going to try flushing it with water, but I don't hold any great hope out. This was why I bought the one I'm using now... as a spare. And I have the same one on my machine at work. |
| 11:14.53 | Guerin | what piece o' shit is it, this superior piece of hardware? |
| 11:14.56 | rixth | I'm not even going to start correcting them |
| 11:14.56 | mwilson | Wish there was a USB version of it. |
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| 11:15.37 | rixth | Guerin, I fucking hate you. You never help with anything (or help anyone). Even if the statements we're on topic (this one wasn't). There. |
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| 11:16.03 | rixth | You only have something 'witty' to say. Pff. |
| 11:16.10 | mwilson | http://cgi.ebay.com/PC-CONCEPTS-Wave-NATURAL-Ergonomic-Keyboard-sk-6000-NEW_W0QQitemZ5803289119QQcategoryZ33964QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 11:16.15 | Guerin | rixth: fuck you very much. Now what is this superior piece of hardware which doesn't support any decent formats, and requires windows to transfer files around? |
| 11:16.22 | liable | oh, dear, you spelt were wrong too, look out.. :P |
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| 11:16.56 | rixth | Sony HD5 (I'm not a Sony fanboy, they just make superior DAPS (apart from the buttons...)) |
| 11:17.01 | Guerin | hahahaha |
| 11:17.06 | Guerin | sony toys |
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| 11:17.20 | Guerin | what you want is an iAudio X5L |
| 11:17.33 | jm_ | alfatau: well it tells you what is there |
| 11:17.33 | rixth | Guerin, colour screen players suck. |
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| 11:17.44 | rixth | I looked at a Cowon. |
| 11:17.44 | Guerin | rixth: why? |
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| 11:17.52 | mlopes | anyone knows how to force apt-get to NOT upgrade packages (install only) ? |
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| 11:18.06 | rixth | Guerin, I want battery life, not watch pixelated movies on a low res screen |
| 11:18.09 | jim | you already have them installed! |
| 11:18.10 | liable | um, dont use upgrade?? |
| 11:18.23 | Guerin | rixth: and you bought a SONY, even though the x5 plays ogg, flac, wav, mp3, wma, asf, avi, txt, jpg and does 35 hours on a charge? |
| 11:18.25 | mwilson | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5802444293&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 |
| 11:18.26 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 11:18.34 | mwilson | There's the ultimate keyboard... |
| 11:18.41 | Guerin | your sony has a battery life greater than 35 hours? |
| 11:18.43 | liable | who cares? |
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| 11:18.57 | mantero | hi ;) |
| 11:19.04 | rixth | Guerin, '35 hours'. Manafacturers claim. Sony claims 40hours, I actually get about 37. Removable battery, too. |
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| 11:19.10 | Guerin | mlopes: /msg dpkg hold |
| 11:19.12 | mlopes | liable, I did a --get-selections and then dpkg --set-selections |
| 11:19.32 | mantero | excuse me, but... anyone have DVD Shrink emulated with Wine? :S |
| 11:19.36 | Guerin | rixth: i've tested mine at 33.5 hours playback, which ain't bad. |
| 11:19.39 | Gabriele | I'm not be able to print double sided pages with cupsys, help me ! |
| 11:19.44 | mlopes | since the distros have a gap between them (knoppix 3.8.2 and 3.9) I just want to install the new packages |
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| 11:19.49 | rixth | It's smaller than other players, good sound quality and VPT sound engine (no, I don't know what it means but it makes my music sound even better) |
| 11:19.59 | Guerin | mlopes: #knoppix |
| 11:20.01 | SimonRaven | mlopes: #knoppix |
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| 11:20.13 | Guerin | mlopes: be advised that upgrading knoppix is an EXTREMELY bad idea |
| 11:20.21 | Gabriele | I'm not be able to print double sided pages with cupsys, help me ! |
| 11:20.24 | liable | mlopes: err. join the channel for your distro, even if no-one answers you.. |
| 11:20.24 | mlopes | that's the point |
| 11:20.26 | SimonRaven | ohnoz |
| 11:20.31 | laurens_ | Are there any i386 debian-installer floppies that have 2.6? |
| 11:20.32 | rixth | Woah, Guerin _helped_ someone |
| 11:20.34 | mlopes | I don't want to upgrade knoppix |
| 11:20.36 | Pitr | http://channels.debian.net/paste/603 |
| 11:20.37 | rixth | Stop press! |
| 11:20.41 | mlopes | I just want to install packages I had installed before |
| 11:20.47 | Guerin | rixth: i help more people in a month than you have in the whole time you've been here |
| 11:20.49 | mlopes | (I am asking here because this is a apt-get question) |
| 11:20.54 | laurens_ | It's a production server that needs 2.6 because otherwise the SATA is horribly broken -- CD's aren't really an option |
| 11:20.57 | Guerin | rixth: so please to not troll me |
| 11:20.58 | Pitr | (apache and logrotate dependency problem?) |
| 11:21.02 | SimonRaven | mlopes: you have no business asking here |
| 11:21.24 | mlopes | knoppix is debian.. and I'm not talking about updating knoppix |
| 11:21.30 | rixth | Guerin, I don't care. It just shows I don't spend my entire life on here. I help people whenever I cna, unlike you. |
| 11:21.31 | mlopes | it could be sarge or sid instead of knoppix |
| 11:21.34 | Pitr | yes you are 8) |
| 11:21.35 | nkuttler | mlopes: no, it's not |
| 11:21.36 | SimonRaven | oh ffs, don't get us started |
| 11:21.37 | liable | oh, here we go.. |
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| 11:21.44 | laurens_ | mlopes: knoppix != debian |
| 11:21.52 | SimonRaven | /ig -replies mlopes |
| 11:21.57 | Pitr | therefore: knoppix/apt-get != debian/apt-get |
| 11:21.58 | rixth | I'm not going to contest Linux knowledge with out, because you know more than me but that doesn't give you the right to be a prick. |
| 11:21.59 | nkuttler | wait, windows is a os, windows == debian! |
| 11:22.00 | SimonRaven | there. problem solved. |
| 11:22.06 | mlopes | nevermind |
| 11:22.08 | jim | if knoppix were debian, why would there be a need for knoppix? |
| 11:22.11 | Pitr | nkuttler: my xbox runs python. it must run debian! |
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| 11:22.27 | nkuttler | Pitr: definitely! |
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| 11:22.38 | Guerin | rixth: heh. And then you make up the fallacy that, because I have time to help lots of people on irc, I don't have a life. How many great walls of china did you fall off this month? |
| 11:22.43 | Guerin | you fucking twat |
| 11:22.44 | mlopes | what a dejá vu.. looks like freebsd users talking |
| 11:22.55 | Pitr | anyone have a clue on http://channels.debian.net/paste/603 ? Apache and logrotate don't seem to like each other |
| 11:23.04 | SimonRaven | Guerin: personally, 3 this week (last 7 days) |
| 11:23.18 | Guerin | SimonRaven: that was quick flyin' |
| 11:23.20 | mlopes | please calm down.. just asked a question, don't want to answer, fine, but please try to avoid those answers |
| 11:23.27 | nkuttler | Pitr: try apt-get -f install |
| 11:23.33 | Pitr | nkuttler: no thankyou |
| 11:23.37 | Pitr | nkuttler: apache will be removed |
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| 11:23.39 | SimonRaven | there's only one wall of china dude |
| 11:23.41 | laurens_ | mlopes: When you want a ford-specific part, do you go to a ferrari garage? |
| 11:23.41 | Pitr | it's a production machine 8) |
| 11:23.45 | rixth | A twat eh? I'm so fucking hurt. The remark about the Great Wall was so stupid that it doesn't even warrant a replt. |
| 11:23.52 | Pitr | i ran into this when doing a dist-upgrade to the current stable |
| 11:23.52 | rixth | Haha, yeah you dolt. |
| 11:24.07 | SimonRaven | o_O |
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| 11:24.14 | mlopes | laurens_: look, this has nothing to do with knoppix, but with a debian-based distro.. and which users know more about debian? you |
| 11:24.20 | nkuttler | Pitr: did you read the release notes? |
| 11:24.21 | Guerin | rixth: ... |
| 11:24.27 | rixth | (Not you SimonRaven, but thanks for pointing it out I should've caught it) |
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| 11:24.32 | nkuttler | Pitr: you're supposed to use aptitude |
| 11:24.33 | SimonRaven | i'll come back when people decide to not act like idiots |
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| 11:24.37 | rixth | jim, Nope |
| 11:24.47 | mlopes | if I had a Land Rover with a BMW motor, probably I would go to BMW to fix my motor |
| 11:24.58 | mlopes | put in your terms.. |
| 11:25.15 | rixth | mlopes, nice analogy |
| 11:25.21 | Guerin | mlopes: but you don't. You have a land rover with a customised motor assembled from mostly bmw parts |
| 11:25.25 | laurens_ | mlopes: The problem is, since knoppix3, knoppix has been so significantly different from debian (yes, even in the base system) that you can not simply assume that debian==knoppix |
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| 11:25.36 | Pitr | nkuttler: nope |
| 11:25.36 | Guerin | would have been nice, had it been even remotely correct |
| 11:25.37 | mlopes | ok, that makes sense |
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| 11:25.40 | jim | I mean, it's like point/counterpoint, and Ackroyd opens his counterpoint with "Jane, you ignorant slut..." |
| 11:25.43 | mlopes | but I don't think it applies to my doubt |
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| 11:25.58 | mlopes | I just want to know how to force apt-get to NOT upgrade packages |
| 11:26.00 | Guerin | mlopes: i did tell you about hold, did I not? |
| 11:26.07 | mlopes | and I don't think that is knoppix specific |
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| 11:26.13 | mlopes | Guerin, indeed |
| 11:26.14 | laurens_ | mlopes: bmw will tell you to go to the land rover garage.. I know, I own a '05 Range Rover Vogue and it had a breakdown about half a mile from a BMW garage -- they only helped me to get towed to a rnge rover garage |
| 11:26.15 | Pitr | i've been apt-get upgrading for years now ;) |
| 11:26.15 | mlopes | thanks! |
| 11:26.19 | laurens_ | mlopes: pinning |
| 11:26.23 | Guerin | mlopes: that MIGHT work, and certainly if it works, you might go and sort it out |
| 11:26.27 | laurens_ | mlopes: google: pinning |
| 11:26.36 | laurens_ | mlopes: you still should ask that question in knoppix |
| 11:26.44 | Guerin | man apt_preferences for pinning |
| 11:26.53 | mlopes | ok, next time i'll do it |
| 11:26.59 | mlopes | thank you for your answers and wasted time |
| 11:27.06 | rixth | Okay, sleep now. I hope Guerin doesn't unleash his wrath on me. |
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| 11:27.10 | Guerin | but hold is the sane way to do this ... you might construct a clever awk line to figure out what's new and what's not |
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| 11:28.57 | Gabriele | I'm not be able to print double sided pages with cupsys, help me ! |
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| 11:29.16 | SimonRaven | @tell Gabriele -about repeat |
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| 11:29.19 | SimonRaven | @tell Gabriele -about ask |
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| 11:29.50 | jim | Gabriele: also /msg dpkg sicco and /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 11:30.14 | Gabriele | :-( |
| 11:30.18 | Arnald | Is there any up-to-date documentation on building debian kernels? A) kernel-package seems to be aimed at 2.4. B) linux-source-2.6.12 is supposed to come with Debian patches, and yet aptitude installed linux-patch-debian-2.6.12 as well ! |
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| 11:30.34 | SimonRaven | Gabriele: just read that, then we'll be able to help you better |
| 11:30.45 | migiel | how can i chown an entire directory with all it's sub-directories and files? |
| 11:30.47 | SimonRaven | it helps us help you. understand? |
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| 11:31.03 | jim | Gabriele: and give the helpers a break... it's boring if you don't provide additional information when you post your question |
| 11:31.03 | Arnald | C) Do I need to install those patches, and if so, how? |
| 11:31.06 | maebmij | migiel, chown -R (recursive) |
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| 11:31.12 | migiel | k thx |
| 11:31.13 | antgel | Arnald: kernel-package works with 2.6 |
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| 11:31.52 | jim | migiel: be careful with that chown... man chown; it's in there |
| 11:32.11 | migiel | jim: ok tanks |
| 11:32.12 | Arnald | antgel: so if I run make-kpkg as usual, without configuring, I will get a vanilla Debian kernel? |
| 11:32.13 | migiel | thanks* |
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| 11:32.29 | Guerin | Arnald: if you run it with --initrd and some other things |
| 11:32.29 | Arnald | as would be shipped on CD? |
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| 11:33.05 | Arnald | Guerin: OK, noted. But do I still need to apply the patches? |
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| 11:59.49 | streuner | more than 14 message (p0rn) within 1 minute in #debian-overflow |
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| 12:01.05 | SunDevil | i have remote access to a debian machine. How can i tell what type of memory it has? |
| 12:01.13 | SunDevil | as in |
| 12:01.15 | SunDevil | DDR |
| 12:01.19 | SunDevil | EC etc |
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| 12:04.14 | salahuddin | hello all. i am facing a problem while building a custom kernel. it says "drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c:59:25: error: drm_scatter.h: No such file or directory |
| 12:04.14 | salahuddin | make[4]: *** [drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.o] Error 1 |
| 12:04.14 | salahuddin | make[3]: *** [drivers/char/drm] Error 2 |
| 12:04.14 | salahuddin | make[2]: *** [drivers/char] Error 2 |
| 12:04.15 | salahuddin | make[1]: *** [drivers] Error 2 |
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| 12:04.48 | streuner | apt, find drm_scatter.h |
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| 12:05.05 | bob | hi |
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| 12:12.41 | antgel | wtf happened? |
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| 12:14.29 | SimonRaven | lilo(i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin)- [Global Notice] Hi all. We'll be reupping the servers in just a few minutes. Please bear with us. |
| 12:14.40 | SimonRaven | that's what |
| 12:15.09 | Md | can somebody help Shadur to join the channel? |
| 12:15.18 | Md | he keeps getting redirected to -overflow |
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| 12:15.51 | SimonRaven | have no clue if any ops are back. they'll need to unset the +Jf stuff |
| 12:16.02 | SimonRaven | (the +J anyway) |
| 12:16.03 | Loevborg | q: courier-imap doesn't use the ssl/tls certificate I gave it. any idea why? |
| 12:16.17 | Md | SimonRaven: why? |
| 12:16.30 | SimonRaven | Loevborg: see where the default cert leads. it goes to /usr/lib/courier |
| 12:16.38 | SimonRaven | see folks can come in |
| 12:16.44 | SimonRaven | s/see/so/ |
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| 12:16.57 | Loevborg | SimonRaven, I see the file, you want me to replace it? |
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| 12:17.01 | Md | what is +J? I don't remember |
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| 12:17.28 | SimonRaven | Loevborg: i don't want you to do anything. i'm just giving you info on how to deal with it, and why it isn't being read |
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| 12:17.44 | SimonRaven | default here is 30,10 |
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| 12:17.47 | Loevborg | SimonRaven, isn't /etc/courier/imapd.pem the file that ought to be read? (but isn't) |
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| 12:17.51 | antgel | Md: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 12:17.53 | SimonRaven | i don't remember either =) |
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| 12:18.09 | antgel | what i don't get is how Md can change channel mode |
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| 12:18.12 | SimonRaven | Loevborg: sure. but default install just has that asa symlink |
| 12:18.17 | SimonRaven | as a* |
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| 12:18.26 | SimonRaven | he's an irc op |
| 12:18.38 | reagleBRKLN | anyone know of a deb that contains avisyntyh.dll (needed for mplayer to play realaudio)? |
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| 12:18.45 | antgel | well that explains :) |
| 12:19.03 | Guerin | reagleBRKLN: might be in w32codecs? |
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| 12:19.26 | jaap | reagleBRKLN, have you looked over at marillat's? |
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| 12:19.46 | reagleBRKLN | Guerin/jaap: have w32codecs installed, no joy |
| 12:19.53 | Guerin | reagleBRKLN: nfc then |
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| 12:20.05 | jethro | !nfc |
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| 12:20.12 | Guerin | reagleBRKLN: doubt there is one, unless you can hook it out of helixplayer or somesuch |
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| 12:20.45 | SimonRaven | thanks Md |
| 12:20.47 | antgel | reagleBRKLN: dll is win32-specific. surprised that mplayer requires it |
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| 12:21.03 | Guerin | antgel: mplayer doesn't. Realaudio does. |
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| 12:21.13 | larsio | Hello is it possibel to make a debian floppy disk installer? |
| 12:21.16 | larsio | And where to fetch it? |
| 12:21.17 | reagleBRKLN | man, look at this spam! i set +E but what does it do? |
| 12:21.30 | Guerin | !mode e |
| 12:21.32 | antgel | !tell larsio about install debian |
| 12:21.39 | SimonRaven | !E+ |
| 12:21.44 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 12:21.47 | larsio | antgel, didnt get anything |
| 12:21.56 | SimonRaven | @install debian |
| 12:22.00 | reagleBRKLN | yes, i did e+, but don't now what it does |
| 12:22.04 | jethro | !mode e |
| 12:22.06 | Guerin | i believe dpkg is absent |
| 12:22.11 | SimonRaven | apt is here |
| 12:22.15 | streuner | dpkg isn't here atm... |
| 12:22.23 | streuner | yeah, but it hasn't the factoid... |
| 12:22.24 | Guerin | reagleBRKLN: blocks messages from unregistered clients |
| 12:22.25 | antgel | larsio: read the install guide on www.debian.org |
| 12:22.38 | larsio | antgel, is there a install FLOPPY disk |
| 12:22.38 | reagleBRKLN | Guerin: ah, but thinks like xchat and kvirc would still work? |
| 12:22.45 | antgel | larsio: why don't you look for it? |
| 12:22.51 | SimonRaven | larsio: yes. |
| 12:23.00 | Guerin | reagleBRKLN: you misunderstand. Unregistered users, not their irc clients. |
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| 12:23.07 | reagleBRKLN | ah |
| 12:23.08 | streuner | dpkg, mode e |
| 12:23.09 | dpkg | +E makes it such that only nickserv identified users can /msg you |
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| 12:23.17 | SimonRaven | !wb |
| 12:23.19 | jethro | \o/ dpkg is back! |
| 12:23.22 | dpkg | thanks, simonraven. It's good to be back. |
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| 12:23.30 | streuner | apt, mode e is <reply> +E makes it such that only nickserv identified users can /msg you |
| 12:23.31 | apt | streuner: okay |
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| 12:23.37 | jchaoul | Can you delegate max 20% of CPU-usage to a user? - I don't want the system to crash because of some users process taking up 100% of the CPU |
| 12:23.41 | antgel | larsio: guess what google for debian floppy install brings up as the first fucking hit |
| 12:23.47 | jchaoul | Programs can crash and take up 100% of the CPU,, which is not wanted :S |
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| 12:23.57 | SimonRaven | jchaoul: /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 12:24.10 | larsio | antgel, okay |
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| 12:24.44 | SimonRaven | antgel: gentoo daily e-builds? |
| 12:24.53 | SimonRaven | <troll /> |
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| 12:25.10 | jchaoul | what is "ulimits" ? |
| 12:25.17 | SimonRaven | get a sense of humour. was meant to be funny |
| 12:25.19 | antgel | jchaoul: man limits.conf |
| 12:25.34 | antgel | SimonRaven: i have one, took smiley for granted |
| 12:25.35 | SimonRaven | go have a smoke or whatever ;) |
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| 12:25.50 | SimonRaven | antgel: :). there, happy? ;) |
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| 12:25.56 | Guerin | go huff some more fumes |
| 12:25.56 | antgel | doh |
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| 12:26.03 | antgel | i give up |
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| 12:26.14 | minra_work | anybody know if the 3270 terminal emulator will be revived under debian? |
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| 12:26.37 | SimonRaven | mmm, that was good |
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| 12:26.40 | Guerin | minra_work: that's a pretty obscure question ... i bet toresbe would know |
| 12:26.48 | SimonRaven | he would |
| 12:26.57 | Guerin | minra_work: you might have better luck asking on a mailing list |
| 12:27.05 | minra_work | i think it's a project in need of a maintainer |
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| 12:27.12 | minra_work | yeah, thx Guerin |
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| 12:27.22 | SimonRaven | yeh, like debian-obscure-term-emu or something ;p |
| 12:27.26 | cr3 | how can I determine what package contains file /usr/bin/prog? |
| 12:27.27 | minra_work | maybe i should become the maintainer :) |
| 12:27.34 | antgel | !tell cr3 about search |
| 12:27.41 | tralala | minra_work: well, if you're a maintainer in a need of a project - we have a match! |
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| 12:28.02 | SimonRaven | minra_work: you could find yourself a sponsor (if not a dd) and do just that |
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| 12:28.27 | minra_work | a sponsor? someone might pay me to do it? |
| 12:28.38 | SimonRaven | not that kind of sponsor |
| 12:28.39 | antgel | minra_work: they might. |
| 12:28.45 | antgel | ;) |
| 12:28.51 | RichiH | minra_work: no, people who will check your .deb and put it into debian |
| 12:28.52 | SimonRaven | though you could also get that kind |
| 12:29.05 | antgel | shall we have a whip round? |
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| 12:29.37 | SimonRaven | see the new maintainer's guide for all this |
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| 12:29.57 | minra_work | oki thx, i email the author and old maintainer first |
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| 12:30.46 | Guerin | minra_work: #debian-mentors might be a good place to cruise for sponsors |
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| 12:30.49 | SimonRaven | @wb |
| 12:30.50 | ravenbird | thanks, simonraven. It's good to be back. |
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| 12:31.44 | syntaxx | hmm i installed tvtime but it seems some of the channel is not detected.. how can i make it detected? |
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| 12:32.04 | minra_work | damn spammer.... n=mandi@80.97.247.90 |
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| 12:32.24 | streuner_ | well, no problems to connect here atm... |
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| 12:32.28 | minra_work | ban n=mandi@80.97.247.90 |
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| 12:32.59 | jeffpelgrims | Hi |
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| 12:33.18 | SimonRaven | ffs don't start with that. |
| 12:33.24 | SimonRaven | !mode e |
| 12:33.24 | dpkg | +E makes it such that only nickserv identified users can /msg you |
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| 12:33.38 | Guerin | !nospambot |
| 12:33.38 | dpkg | hmm... nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less |
| 12:33.48 | minra_work | ah ty |
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| 12:34.00 | nmoore | i |
| 12:34.02 | SimonRaven | also read http://www.freenode.net/faq.shtml#spambots |
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| 12:34.06 | Guerin | edit my $timeout to something like 20 seconds and you'll kill 90% of them |
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| 12:34.40 | nmoore | what would be the best way to exchange the data held on a pair of partitions in place? |
| 12:34.45 | streuner | good idea, Guerin :-) |
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| 12:34.55 | jeffpelgrims | Well I need help to configure a spdif output using Debian sarge |
| 12:34.56 | ortencia | j/ #salvador |
| 12:34.59 | Guerin | nmoore: rsync |
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| 12:35.14 | LSorensen | jeffpelgrims: which kind of sound card? Which kernel version? |
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| 12:38.21 | nmoore | guerin: is there any special "exchange" option, or do I just do it in two stages? |
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| 12:40.41 | Guerin | nmoore: i'd do it in two, connected by a && |
| 12:40.46 | nmoore | guerin: because i don't see any advantage to doing it this way over a simple "mv" since it is a one-off |
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| 12:41.11 | Guerin | nmoore: probably nont |
| 12:41.17 | Guerin | none |
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| 12:41.32 | Guerin | but since i didn't know precisely what you were doing ... |
| 12:41.49 | nmoore | guerin: OK, thanks |
| 12:42.11 | TiTAN_pi8_ | can anybody tell me why I keep getting this message when compiling the hpijs driver: configure: error: "cannot find libjpeg support" |
| 12:42.11 | TiTAN_pi8_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:45.12 | Guerin | TiTAN_pi8_: try to find out what file it's looking for; maybe pass a --with-libjpeg=/some/place |
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| 12:45.55 | jeffpelgrims | I need help to configure a spdif output using Debian sarge |
| 12:45.58 | Fleck | finally :) |
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| 12:46.42 | Guerin | jeffpelgrims: so you said earlier |
| 12:46.51 | SimonRaven | usually /usr with debian -dev packages |
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| 12:46.56 | wathek | streuner_, you're there ? |
| 12:46.56 | Guerin | jeffpelgrims: but you didn't answer LSorensen's question |
| 12:47.03 | jeffpelgrims | I did |
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| 12:47.31 | jeffpelgrims | on private chat but after a while no answear from him :( |
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| 12:47.45 | wathek | how can I upgrade my kernel ? |
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| 12:47.55 | Guerin | jeffpelgrims: #debianites don't do private chat |
| 12:48.06 | Guerin | jeffpelgrims: ask him again on-channel |
| 12:48.24 | jeffpelgrims | oh ok :) no prob |
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| 12:49.20 | jeffpelgrims | so I use the cmipci driver and the alsa sound system. I use the kernel 2.6.12 and my question's how can I use my spdif outpout ? :) |
| 12:49.41 | TiTAN_pi8_ | Guerin, that option isn't available. and I can't seem to figure whatfile it needs, but I know the right libjpeg files are installed because I can find some when I do a find. |
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| 12:50.12 | Guerin | TiTAN_pi8_: strace the ./configure line |
| 12:50.31 | SimonRaven | or read the config.log... |
| 12:50.35 | Guerin | TiTAN_pi8_: see what location and which files it uses to test whether or not a certain lib exists |
| 12:50.42 | Guerin | oh yeah, that's the easy way |
| 12:51.01 | Rydekull | meep meep, neew kernel out, 2.6.13 |
| 12:51.15 | SimonRaven | @kernel |
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| 12:51.20 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.13, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-pre3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.13-rc6-mm2 |
| 12:51.25 | SimonRaven | cool |
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| 12:52.16 | TiTAN_pi8_ | k |
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| 12:53.44 | SimonRaven | took me a while, but i like this strange new versionaing the kernel has. i mean, if you want the stable kernels, you stick to the full point releases. if you want experimental, you can use the .X rcs |
| 12:53.53 | SimonRaven | versioning even |
| 12:54.33 | notty | is there a way to search a file in all debian pkgs ? |
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| 12:54.49 | SimonRaven | ask dpkg about search |
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| 12:55.21 | Tramse | anyone here used gnuplot? |
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| 12:56.32 | Mole | why does my phpmyadmin (running on stable/sarge) state "No privileges" while logged in as root ? and how do i fix it? :) |
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| 12:57.03 | SerajewelKS | Mole, try running mysql_fix_privilege_tables as root |
| 12:57.18 | SerajewelKS | although, without perms... =/ |
| 12:57.38 | SerajewelKS | worth a shot anyway |
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| 12:58.28 | Mole | ok |
| 12:58.36 | ma3x | how can i ignore all private messages?? |
| 12:58.57 | streuner | ALL? |
| 12:59.07 | TiTAN_pi8_ | can anybody tell me how to change which ld is used by make when compiling something? I have got a cross compiling toolchain but make still uses /usr/bin/ld instead of .../mipsel-linux-ld |
| 12:59.07 | SerajewelKS | ma3x, /quit |
| 12:59.08 | jethro | ma3x: /ignore *!*@* MSGS |
| 12:59.15 | ma3x | well of course I receive every minute spam |
| 12:59.16 | streuner | SerajewelKS: hehe :-) |
| 12:59.18 | jethro | !lart SerajewelKS |
| 12:59.23 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, knock get off |
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| 12:59.26 | Fleck | ma3x /topic |
| 12:59.36 | eye69 | ma3x: Try /mode ma3x +E |
| 12:59.39 | SerajewelKS | ma3x, your own fault for not reading the topic |
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| 13:00.06 | ma3x | and what is mode E? |
| 13:00.13 | streuner | dpkg, mode e |
| 13:00.13 | dpkg | +E makes it such that only nickserv identified users can /msg you |
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| 13:00.54 | ma3x | thanks |
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| 13:01.05 | sussudio | !badger |
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| 13:01.13 | sussudio | :-| |
| 13:01.25 | poncho | !Hello! |
| 13:01.25 | dpkg | Hi, poncho! |
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| 13:02.34 | sussudio | dpkg: badger is <reply> http://www.badgerinfo.com/ |
| 13:02.35 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 13:02.39 | sussudio | !fist you |
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| 13:03.16 | sussudio | hmm there's 2 species of stink badger |
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| 13:04.59 | bibe | hi all. anyone has tried to compile ieee80211-source and ipw2200-source on a 2.6.13 kernel? I can't compile the debian packages, while the original sources compile well. Should I report a bug? |
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| 13:05.29 | Guerin | bibe: there are no debian 2.6.13 packages |
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| 13:06.43 | Loevborg | does anyone know what "secure authentication" in mozilla-thunderbird translates to in terms of imap language? |
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| 13:07.12 | bibe | Guerin : sure, I compiled the 2.6.13 sources from ftp.kernel.org, so no need to file a bug report? |
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| 13:08.15 | Guerin | bibe: you can't apply a debian source patch intended for 2.6.11 or 12 debian sources against a vanilla 2.6.13 kernel ans expect it to work... |
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| 13:08.26 | Guerin | i mean, it MIGHT work, but you can't EXPECT it to... |
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| 13:08.41 | bibe | Guerin : OK, thank you |
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| 13:10.27 | Guerin | Loevborg: could be anything. Might be TLS or SSL, might just be CRAM-MD5 or something |
| 13:11.07 | Loevborg | Guerin, I suppose it's cram-md5, but even when I enable that in courier-imap, it says "unsupported" |
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| 13:22.03 | abrotman | cr3: man dpkg |
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| 13:22.40 | abrotman | cr3: did you see that? |
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| 13:23.43 | cr3 | abrotman: yes, and the manpage told me exactly what I needed to know. thanks ;) |
| 13:23.44 | abrotman | cr3: i wasn't sure if you saw in between all the splits :) |
| 13:23.44 | cr3 | thanks for checking, the people in this channel really go above and beyond the call of duty. |
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| 13:23.44 | abrotman | cr3: some days :) |
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| 13:23.44 | cr3 | abrotman: while we're on the subject of packages, what should I read to build a debian package when I install a *-source package? |
| 13:23.44 | abrotman | dpkg: nm |
| 13:23.44 | dpkg | nm is, like, New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
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| 13:23.45 | abrotman | there's another one .. |
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| 13:23.45 | LSorensen | cr3: /usr/share/doc/packagename/README or something is often a start. or look at module-asistant (m-a) |
| 13:23.45 | LSorensen | cr3: m-a does all the work for you |
| 13:23.45 | abrotman | cr3: you'll find a bunch of stuff here .. http://www.us.debian.org/devel/ |
| 13:23.45 | abrotman | m-a does work for packages? |
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| 13:24.08 | LSorensen | abrotman: for x-source kernel module packages, yes |
| 13:24.08 | abrotman | ok .. this is getting old :) |
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| 13:24.08 | abrotman | LSorensen: could be qmail-source ... |
| 13:24.08 | LSorensen | abrotman: like m-a -t prepare; m-a -t build nvidia; m-a -t install nvidia |
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| 13:24.09 | LSorensen | abrotman: those are -src |
| 13:24.09 | abrotman | cr3: which -source are you building |
| 13:24.09 | LSorensen | abrotman: that's differnt |
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| 13:24.09 | abrotman | LSorensen: shows you how much i use qmail :) |
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| 13:24.09 | abrotman | LSorensen: these splits going on all day? |
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| 13:24.17 | LSorensen | abrotman: and I thought they replaced those with doing apt-get -b source qmail |
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| 13:24.17 | LSorensen | abrotman: not sure, I just woke up. looks like split hell today |
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| 13:24.18 | abrotman | LSorensen: i thought -b source was for fetching source for binary packages .. something else i don't play with much |
| 13:24.18 | greycat | LSorensen: another irc server software upgrade |
| 13:24.20 | greycat | LSorensen: http://freenode.net/news.shtml |
| 13:24.21 | abrotman | oh wait .. this is good .. now no unregistered people will be able to msg ? |
| 13:24.21 | LSorensen | abrotman: wel I think they made some of the things like qmail and pine source only packages that you just grab and build from the source package directly |
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| 13:24.25 | abrotman | i didn't even think there was a pine source package anymore |
| 13:24.26 | LSorensen | greycat: yay freenode. It works great most of the time, and then there are days like this. |
| 13:24.38 | LSorensen | abrotman: if you are +E |
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| 13:24.56 | abrotman | LSorensen: if you read the news .. it seems that will be the general pattern .. |
| 13:25.03 | cr3 | abrotman: thinkpad, it's a kernel module |
| 13:25.05 | abrotman | In a few minutes, we'll be reconfiguring the network to prevent unregistered users from sending private messages." |
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| 13:25.07 | Guerin | well, that was funky |
| 13:25.11 | abrotman | cr3: module for what? |
| 13:25.13 | CompWizrd | won't the spambots just register? |
| 13:25.18 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/debian-10-users.png |
| 13:25.21 | abrotman | CompWizrd: they could .. |
| 13:25.22 | greycat | CompWizrd: yes. |
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| 13:25.31 | cr3 | abrotman: module for accessing thinkpad features, m-a seems to have worked. |
| 13:25.31 | LSorensen | abrotman: apt-cche showsrc pine |
| 13:25.39 | greycat | and then we'll move on to "type in the numbers formed by this figlet output" |
| 13:25.42 | greycat | and then HashCash |
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| 13:25.48 | LSorensen | abrotman: it is still there but only in sources not in binary at all |
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| 13:25.55 | abrotman | cr3: did you look at tpb ? |
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| 13:26.02 | abrotman | !info tpb sarge |
| 13:26.09 | dpkg | tpb: (program to use the IBM ThinkPad(tm) special keys), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.6.3-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 244 kB |
| 13:26.12 | abrotman | LSorensen: stupid pine license! :) |
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| 13:26.31 | Guerin | Pine Isn't Not Evil |
| 13:26.34 | cr3 | is there any reason to build a debian package from the latest kernel source if I want my own compilation options or should I just compile the kernel manually? |
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| 13:26.56 | greycat | cr3: use make-kpkg |
| 13:26.58 | wols | cr3: you should always use kernel-package |
| 13:27.01 | abrotman | cr3: define options ? |
| 13:27.12 | LSorensen | abrotman: stupid qmail license |
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| 13:27.17 | abrotman | LSorensen: stupid qmail :) |
| 13:27.39 | cr3 | abrotman: the thinkpad module is for tpctl, I thought I'd look into that after having tried tpb. |
| 13:27.42 | abrotman | !fix freenode |
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| 13:27.58 | abrotman | cr3: ah ok .. tpb works ok for me .. guess it depends on your needs and model |
| 13:27.59 | greycat | Md: how long until the bots just register themselves? |
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| 13:28.06 | greycat | Md: a week? a month? |
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| 13:28.09 | abrotman | Piggy: squeal! |
| 13:28.09 | nullvoid | hi |
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| 13:28.28 | cr3 | abrotman: tpctl might not do anything useful, but I thought I'd give it a try and see. |
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| 13:28.36 | Md | greycat: killing them would be much easier then |
| 13:28.43 | abrotman | cr3: ah ok |
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| 13:29.02 | Tramse | my rpmdb is out of sync |
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| 13:29.15 | nullvoid | How do I disallow system wide readable by other user, this dialog appears on the initial setup, how to get it back? |
| 13:29.22 | Tramse | i've installed alot of source packages... and things have kinda messed up.. what can i do? |
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| 13:29.34 | greycat | Tramse: rm(1) |
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| 13:29.40 | antgel | Tramse: reinstall? |
| 13:29.41 | nullvoid | Tramse: dselect |
| 13:29.47 | cr3 | wols: should I expect the latest kernel to be readily available as a debian package? apt-cache is only returning 2.6.8 whereas I'm running 2.6.12 |
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| 13:29.54 | antgel | nullvoid: wtf? |
| 13:29.58 | greycat | cr3: sarge is *stable*. |
| 13:30.02 | greycat | cr3: that means "no new packages" |
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| 13:30.23 | cr3 | greycat: only bug-fix releases? |
| 13:30.31 | antgel | cr3: www.debian.org/releases |
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| 13:30.35 | Tramse | greycat ? |
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| 13:30.43 | greycat | Tramse: man 1 rm |
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| 13:30.52 | nullvoid | antgel: do you notice during installation, it will ask if you want to allow system readable for other user, how to get to this dialogbox back dpkg-reconfigure what? |
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| 13:31.08 | nullvoid | hi helix |
| 13:31.16 | nullvoid | antgel: f u |
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| 13:31.51 | antgel | nullvoid: i was halfway through replying to you as i know understand what you mean. but now you can stick it. |
| 13:31.57 | antgel | s/know/now |
| 13:32.02 | Tramse | greycat, shouldnt i run the make install from the source tree? |
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| 13:32.52 | nullvoid | antgel: use proper words, I don't like that kind of things |
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| 13:33.21 | SerajewelKS | nullvoid, heh... "proper words?" what do you call "f u?" |
| 13:33.22 | SerajewelKS | !u |
| 13:33.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:33.27 | Guerin | Tramse: you really need to read some fundamental guides to building shit |
| 13:33.47 | nullvoid | SerajewelKS: that's the reply for his words heh |
| 13:34.08 | greycat | config: { mask = "nullvoid"; level = "ALL"; unignore_time = "1125922890"; }, |
| 13:34.12 | SerajewelKS | nullvoid, only "words" i saw him use were "wtf" |
| 13:34.21 | antgel | Tramse: why have you installed a lot of source packages? |
| 13:34.38 | wols | and where the heck do you find a rpmdb? |
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| 13:34.47 | nullvoid | what's that? |
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| 13:35.09 | Guerin | nullvoid: one of those |
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| 13:35.22 | nullvoid | SerajewelKS: and i just reply with f u |
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| 13:35.29 | phyrster | how to caputre screen of a movie played by mplayer |
| 13:35.40 | nullvoid | I just reuse his f letter |
| 13:35.41 | Guerin | phyrster: man mplayer |
| 13:35.42 | lainard | anyone can help me to make my wireless USB detected by linux? |
| 13:35.46 | nullvoid | ahaks |
| 13:35.55 | antgel | !tell lainard about ask |
| 13:35.58 | SerajewelKS | nullvoid, i see... well, prepared to be /ignored by a lot of people... |
| 13:36.00 | jesperj | Can I somehow have X installed without xdm? I don't want xdm installed on the system at all but stil run X |
| 13:36.01 | greycat | phyrster: use the x11 or sdl video output driver instead of xv |
| 13:36.12 | wols | jesperj: apt-get remove xdm |
| 13:36.13 | antgel | SerajewelKS: indeed |
| 13:36.13 | nullvoid | lainard: lspci first |
| 13:36.16 | SerajewelKS | jesperj, install x-window-system and don't install xdm |
| 13:36.20 | wols | done. if you want X: run startx |
| 13:36.25 | jesperj | wols, then x-window-system is removed |
| 13:36.31 | Guerin | jesperj: that's ok |
| 13:36.37 | nullvoid | SerajewelKS: well why is that? what I did wrong? |
| 13:36.44 | greycat | jesperj: good. |
| 13:36.55 | lainard | I have a problem with wireless usb |
| 13:37.02 | greycat | x-window-system is just the plastic shrinkwrap |
| 13:37.02 | jesperj | it is GOOD that x-window-system is removed? |
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| 13:37.02 | daft | I have a server box and not using the video is is there a way to use the video mem as swap or some thing? |
| 13:37.03 | Guerin | yes |
| 13:37.09 | antgel | jesperj: it's a meta-package |
| 13:37.11 | Guerin | jesperj: it's just a metapackage, not drama |
| 13:37.13 | SerajewelKS | nullvoid, "wtf" is a phrase expressing confoundment, not anger. you responded to confusion with a personal attack. |
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| 13:37.23 | phyrster | greycat: thank you. let me try |
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| 13:37.29 | phyrster | Guerin: man man |
| 13:37.29 | nullvoid | SerajewelKS: ok then I am sorry |
| 13:37.30 | Guerin | daft: nttbomk |
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| 13:37.47 | Guerin | phyrster: thanks, I've read it ... have you? |
| 13:37.53 | jesperj | ok, but it does need to be replaced by some other package? |
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| 13:37.57 | Guerin | jesperj: no. |
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| 13:37.59 | greycat | jesperj: no |
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| 13:38.02 | jesperj | that is weird |
| 13:38.04 | jesperj | heh |
| 13:38.07 | SerajewelKS | nullvoid, thanks =) |
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| 13:38.11 | nullvoid | antgel: I am sorry |
| 13:38.11 | greycat | it's just the plastic wrapping. you can throw it away. |
| 13:38.19 | SerajewelKS | nullvoid, although antgel would probably want to hear that instead of me |
| 13:38.23 | Guerin | !greycat++ |
| 13:38.24 | jesperj | greycat, it seems totally useless |
| 13:38.25 | daft | Guerin: nttbomk? :s |
| 13:38.27 | nullvoid | just did |
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| 13:38.29 | jesperj | :) |
| 13:38.32 | SerajewelKS | nullvoid, you're too fast for me, nvm =) |
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| 13:38.33 | Guerin | !nttbomk |
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| 13:38.36 | jesperj | thanks guys |
| 13:38.37 | greycat | jesperj: it allows you to pull in a crapload of stuff in one apt-get command. |
| 13:38.40 | antgel | jesperj: it's useful to _install_ |
| 13:38.44 | greycat | jesperj: but it *itself* has no files |
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| 13:39.10 | Guerin | !nttbomk is <reply> Not To The Best Of My Knowledge |
| 13:39.10 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 13:39.14 | jesperj | I see |
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| 13:39.23 | jesperj | or well I don't but sortof :P |
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| 13:40.14 | nullvoid | so anyone, how do I : System wide readable directories? -> no |
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| 13:40.43 | SerajewelKS | nullvoid, i don't even remember the sarge installer asking me that question.. =/ |
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| 13:41.13 | nullvoid | SerajewelKS: Sid do |
| 13:41.18 | nullvoid | well I think I got it |
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| 13:41.28 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: if you have debconf priority set to low, the passwd package asks that |
| 13:41.43 | Dackel | hello, how can I install my tv-card |
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| 13:42.01 | SerajewelKS | LSorensen, ah okay |
| 13:42.01 | LSorensen | nullvoid: it just controls if you want /home/* to have rwxr-xr-x or rwxr-x--- by default when making new users |
| 13:42.05 | greycat | Dackel: usually a philips screwdriver suffices. |
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| 13:42.20 | LSorensen | greycat: no you need a hex one if it's a compaq :) |
| 13:42.30 | Guerin | Dackel: 1) remove from packaging 2) turn off computer 3) remove computer case 4) insert card into appropriate slot 5) replace case 6) turn computer back on |
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| 13:42.37 | greycat | HP and Compaq do luv their Torx. |
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| 13:42.44 | Guerin | screwdriver recommended but optional |
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| 13:42.49 | SerajewelKS | LSorensen, `dpkg-reconfigure passwd` doesn't show that option to me |
| 13:42.50 | Blissex | Dackel: the subsystem that deals with TV cards is called Video4Linux, so look for one of several HOWTOs/tutorials |
| 13:42.56 | Guerin | depending on your case |
| 13:42.58 | antgel | Guerin: you forgot appropriate anti-static precautions |
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| 13:43.00 | Dackel | no, i speak of the drivwwe |
| 13:43.08 | Guerin | antgel: bah, humbug |
| 13:43.14 | Guerin | Dackel: then speak of the driver |
| 13:43.27 | LSorensen | greycat: and some IBM's like the hex screws instead so you need a socket driver to work on them |
| 13:43.27 | Guerin | Dackel: you might start by telling us what sort of card it is |
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| 13:43.32 | Blissex | Dackel: look for Video4Linux drivers and applications... Several HOWTOs/tutorials around on that. |
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| 13:43.36 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: and what is your debconf priority? |
| 13:43.40 | Dackel | sray, i thought, that was clear |
| 13:43.42 | nullvoid | LSorensen: oic, well how do I get back to that dialog box? |
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| 13:43.47 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: hmm, or maybe it is base-config or base-passwd or something |
| 13:43.49 | antgel | jesus |
| 13:43.50 | SerajewelKS | LSorensen, no idea, but man dpkg-reconfigure says that it uses low |
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| 13:43.56 | SerajewelKS | regardless of your setting |
| 13:44.06 | LSorensen | nullvoid: ehm, dpkg-reconfigure nameofpackageaskingquestion |
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| 13:44.25 | SerajewelKS | LSorensen, base-passwd doesn't seem to have any debconf options |
| 13:44.39 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: adduser is the package |
| 13:44.39 | nullvoid | LSorensen: I don't know of the name I guess it will be adduser, debconf adduser |
| 13:44.48 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: makes sense since it is what do do when adduser creates new users |
| 13:44.57 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: dpkg-reconfigure adduser |
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| 13:45.08 | LSorensen | that would be the one |
| 13:45.11 | SerajewelKS | LSorensen, got it, thanks... that's been bugging me for a while =) |
| 13:45.12 | Dackel | okay, thanks3 |
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| 13:45.21 | SerajewelKS | always had to 'chmod o=' after adduser |
| 13:45.33 | greycat | I'd invest my time in fixing my keyboard rather than watching TV. |
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| 13:45.35 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: nothing grep home /var/lib/dpkg/info/*config couldn't find :) |
| 13:45.55 | SerajewelKS | LSorensen, yeah but you gotta know that path ;) |
| 13:46.12 | SerajewelKS | LSorensen, does that change the default perms to rwx------ or rwxr-x---? |
| 13:46.22 | LSorensen | Dackel: hopefully you got one of the cards you can actually get drivers for |
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| 13:46.33 | greycat | SerajewelKS: DIR_MODE in /etc/default/* |
| 13:46.34 | SerajewelKS | LSorensen, cause g+rx is about as private is o+rx considering that everyone is in the 'users' group |
| 13:46.34 | nullvoid | yeap got it |
| 13:46.36 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: ser: rwxr-x--- instead of rwxr-xr-x |
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| 13:46.44 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: I think |
| 13:46.45 | greycat | bah. |
| 13:46.47 | greycat | where is it... |
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| 13:46.58 | SimonRaven | adduser.conf |
| 13:46.59 | greycat | SerajewelKS: DIR_MODE in /etc/adduser.conf |
| 13:47.02 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: although I guess it depends if your users have a personal default group, or if they are all in users by default |
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| 13:47.20 | nullvoid | LSorensen: Thanks man |
| 13:47.24 | greycat | SerajewelKS: what "users" group? |
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| 13:47.38 | SimonRaven | gid 100 |
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| 13:47.50 | SerajewelKS | greycat, good question.. debian didn't ask me if i wanted one group for all users when i installed woody a while back... and it bugged the crap out of me |
| 13:47.53 | greycat | yeah, but nothing uses that by default. |
| 13:47.55 | Guerin | drwxr-xr-x 66 magpie magpie 8192 2005-08-29 22:24 /home/magpie |
| 13:47.55 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: on my system each user dir has it's own group with the same name as the user |
| 13:47.58 | nullvoid | !seen peterS |
| 13:48.00 | dpkg | peters is currently on #debian (32m 50s). Has said a total of 77688 messages. Is idling for 5h 20m 1s |
| 13:48.08 | SerajewelKS | LSorensen, yes, that's what i was used to before i got debian |
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| 13:48.11 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: there should be an option for the group thing too |
| 13:48.13 | Guerin | i mean, i have o+r because there's only one other user on here, but still... |
| 13:48.19 | SimonRaven | you can set it so that users default to users group instead of their own |
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| 13:48.30 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven, isn't that woody's default setting? |
| 13:48.34 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: hmm, pretty sure even when I installed hamm it used a seperate group per user. I think it was a question in the config at one point though |
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| 13:48.36 | greycat | SerajewelKS: no |
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| 13:48.43 | SerajewelKS | hmm.. go figure |
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| 13:48.53 | SerajewelKS | can't think why i would turn that on |
| 13:48.55 | horror_vacui | Apache 2 on sarge lets me download the code of php files if I don't specify the extension. i.e. If I do http://server.blah/index.php it gives me what I expect, but if I do http://sever.blah/index it gives me a file to download, of a type application/x-trash. The file contains the php code. |
| 13:49.10 | SimonRaven | i use ldapadduser ;) |
| 13:49.11 | SerajewelKS | anyway, classes start in 10 minutes |
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| 13:49.19 | greycat | I just use vipw |
| 13:49.23 | Guerin | horror_vacui: that's pretty bad. Fix your apache config |
| 13:49.26 | greycat | and mkdir and chown |
| 13:49.29 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: look in adduser.conf for the USERGROUPS |
| 13:49.41 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: yes means each user gets own group, if no they are put in 'users' |
| 13:49.44 | horror_vacui | Does anyone know what's going wrong here? This is a vulnerability, if that's what sarge comes with. |
| 13:49.54 | greycat | LSorensen: *gasp*! You mean... he'd have to EDIT a FILE??? by HAND?? |
| 13:49.58 | horror_vacui | Guerin, The changes have been minimal. It's not my config, it's rather debian's. |
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| 13:49.58 | SimonRaven | nopt a vuln. configure your server properly |
| 13:49.59 | greycat | LSorensen: what do you think this is, UNIX? |
| 13:50.02 | SimonRaven | not* |
| 13:50.02 | SerajewelKS | horror_vacui, you didn't link in the php config file |
| 13:50.21 | syntaxx | whats a good image viewer? |
| 13:50.22 | LSorensen | greycat: well I can't find a debconf question for it :) |
| 13:50.24 | Guerin | horror_vacui: haven't heard anything about it. Check the BTS annd if you're sure it's that way in debian's default, file a bug. |
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| 13:50.30 | SerajewelKS | syntaxx, i like gqview |
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| 13:50.37 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i expect that is it. |
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| 13:50.43 | syntaxx | thank SerajewelKS |
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| 13:51.06 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, PHP on debian was always a beast until this nice new apache2 config system |
| 13:51.07 | greycat | debconf is a classic example of striking at the leaves of the kudzu vine that's overgrowing your farm instead of the root. |
| 13:51.18 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: bah, always worked for me |
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| 13:51.34 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, on apache1 i had to edit the httpd.conf file by HAND! |
| 13:51.41 | greycat | !comfort SerajewelKS |
| 13:51.42 | dpkg | There, there, SerajewelKS. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:51.42 | LSorensen | greycat: well at least it uses plain text files you can edit underneat unlike some systems :) |
| 13:51.43 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: OMFG1 |
| 13:51.57 | SerajewelKS | heh... yeah i expected that |
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| 13:52.23 | SerajewelKS | anyway classes now start in 8 minutes. i'm really going now... wish my profs were as configurable as debian. |
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| 13:53.12 | horror_vacui | Guerin, SerajewelKS: Got it... There's a mime-type application/x-trash for filetypes .old, .bak etc.... When webdesigners use those endings, they're downloaded. |
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| 13:53.26 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: they are ... you just have to learn their macro language |
| 13:53.58 | Guerin | horror_vacui: and using no extension grabs the index.* file? |
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| 13:54.52 | horror_vacui | Guerin: Apparently so. |
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| 13:55.07 | nullvoid | anyone here been to Malaysia? |
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| 13:55.33 | Guerin | !polls |
| 13:55.33 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 13:55.40 | greycat | stupid clonebots. |
| 13:55.57 | nullvoid | hmmmm |
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| 13:57.47 | jesperj | anyone know what cursor name to use with xsetroot to get a standard topleft pointing arrow? |
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| 13:58.47 | greycat | there's something I *don't* miss when I use unix instead of windows. animated cursors shaped like dogs and shit. |
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| 13:58.53 | horror_vacui | Guerin: It makes no sense - I'd expect apache to just 404 request for something that's not there instead of returning some stupid file with a stupid file extension. But since I kicked the .bak and .old settings from the /etc/mime.types, it just displays the php page... |
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| 13:59.23 | jesperj | greycat, I just want to get rid of the X and get a standard left-top arrow like in let's say gnome or kde but for FVWM |
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| 13:59.42 | greycat | sounds like a #fvwm question |
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| 13:59.55 | jesperj | I guess |
| 13:59.55 | jesperj | :) |
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| 14:00.19 | greycat | "Refer to appendix B of the X protocol for the names" |
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| 14:00.51 | greycat | it says "SEE ALSO.... X(7x)" but X(7x) has no "appendix" in it. |
| 14:00.52 | jesperj | greycat, I have no idea where to look |
| 14:01.05 | greycat | no other SEE ALSOs that look relevant :( |
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| 14:01.16 | greycat | no URLs either. |
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| 14:01.37 | greycat | I guess they expect everyone to have a printed, bound copy of whatever friggin' manual that is. |
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| 14:01.50 | adie_cute | allo |
| 14:01.51 | jesperj | heh |
| 14:01.56 | jesperj | hi adie_cute |
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| 14:02.03 | jesperj | greycat, trying ol' google |
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| 14:02.36 | antgel | do you not all have the full X manual set on your bookshelves? |
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| 14:02.51 | greycat | I might be able to find one somewhere. |
| 14:02.57 | greycat | but... DAMN. isn't this 2005? |
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| 14:03.01 | greycat | shouldn't this shit be online? |
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| 14:03.14 | jesperj | xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr -fg \#000000 -bg \#ffffff |
| 14:03.17 | jesperj | here we go |
| 14:03.18 | jesperj | :) |
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| 14:03.24 | jesperj | http://www.resexcellence.com/linux_icebox/12-03-99.shtml |
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| 14:03.35 | jesperj | greycat, I second that :) |
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| 14:03.42 | jesperj | it wasn't that easy to find |
| 14:03.59 | jesperj | greycat, btw I saw your pic! |
| 14:04.09 | jesperj | I was a nosy bastard and went to your homepage |
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| 14:04.28 | SimonRaven | T="[SECURITY] [DSA 788-1] New kismet packages fix arbitrary code execution" |
| 14:04.28 | greycat | that bit about "Appendix B" is verbatim in the HP-UX xsetroot(1) man page, too. |
| 14:04.28 | jesperj | :) |
| 14:04.35 | steve_ | whois steve_ |
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| 14:05.02 | greycat | that man page probably dates back to before the WWW existed |
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| 14:05.13 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:05.51 | lilo | greycat: you should be seeing a lot less in the way of spambots |
| 14:06.00 | greycat | lilo: until they start registering. |
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| 14:06.31 | lilo | greycat: yup, and we're working on that |
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| 14:06.44 | lilo | greycat: but usually botnets don't single freenode out |
| 14:06.46 | jethro | lilo: how are you going to prevent bots from registering nicknames? |
| 14:06.48 | Loevborg | postfix-mysql reports: "Aug 29 14:05:10 localhost postfix/trivial-rewrite[29120]: warning: connect to mysql server unix:/var/mysql/mysql.sock: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)" |
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| 14:06.53 | jesperj | thanks though greycat |
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| 14:07.04 | lilo | greycat: when it comes to spam, I think we mostly get the bots because othernets get them |
| 14:07.10 | antgel | !btssmite Loevborg |
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| 14:07.13 | greycat | 09:25 greycat> and then we'll move on to "type in the numbers formed by this figlet output" |
| 14:07.18 | lilo | jethro: working on email verification |
| 14:07.29 | lilo | greycat: dunno, that's an arms race too |
| 14:07.36 | lilo | greycat: in fact, everything about spam is an arms race ;) |
| 14:07.39 | greycat | 09:25 greycat> and then HashCash |
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| 14:07.49 | greycat | lilo: that's true. |
| 14:07.58 | lilo | greycat: fortunately, the rest of the world is working on this 8) |
| 14:08.22 | greycat | did anyone *actually* click on any of those spambot URLs? |
| 14:08.33 | lilo | greycat: here, probably not 8) |
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| 14:08.48 | greycat | it seems a massive waste of the spammer's time |
| 14:08.59 | antgel | that's the thing. everyone fucking hates it so much. even if it was britney's tits, i wouldn't have clicked |
| 14:09.15 | jethro | lilo: alright. |
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| 14:09.24 | greycat | antgel: janet jackson's are better anyway. |
| 14:09.27 | Loevborg | antgel, thank you very much, sir. |
| 14:09.30 | lilo | greycat: I did, on firefox, using view-source:, through privoxy, through Tor 8) with javascript turned off by default 8) |
| 14:09.43 | lilo | greycat: but i needed to try to puzzle out what sort of site it was 8) |
| 14:09.50 | greycat | lilo: brave man. |
| 14:09.54 | lilo | greycat: never did, it was some stupid frames thing and I didn't have time to follow it 8) |
| 14:09.58 | tosh | vsftpd is correctly configured, but I always get login failed... nothing in vsftpd.log... any ideas? |
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| 14:10.20 | antgel | tosh: vsftpd is incorrectly configured |
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| 14:10.22 | greycat | tosh: #vsftpd might know... maybe... |
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| 14:11.00 | tosh | greycat its a copy of another machine where everything works just fine, but I'll try #vsftpd |
| 14:11.12 | antgel | tosh: auth.log? |
| 14:11.13 | greycat | tosh: what's different between the two machines, then? |
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| 14:11.46 | tosh | greycat they are setup in a similar way |
| 14:12.00 | greycat | similar meaning "I didn't look?" |
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| 14:12.20 | greycat | "No, greycat, I didn't bother comparing /etc/pam.d/* and whatever the vsftpd conf file is" |
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| 14:12.37 | tosh | greycat the /etc/vsftpd/* is the same as well as /etc/pam.d/vsftpd |
| 14:12.38 | greycat | "No, greycat, I didn't verify that the shadow file on both boxes is using the same hash algorithm" |
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| 14:12.44 | tosh | greycat I did |
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| 14:12.49 | tosh | you can stop being cocky now |
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| 14:13.10 | tosh | I check the shadow file as well |
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| 14:13.24 | tosh | AND pam, AND the configfile, AND the shells, AND the homedirs |
| 14:13.39 | antgel | tosh: auth.log? debug mode on in vsftpd? |
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| 14:13.50 | jethro | !tell tosh -about enter |
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| 14:14.10 | greycat | he's not using excessively short lines |
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| 14:15.30 | nse | Hello everybody, I want to reinstall a package that is essential to the system: gnome-keyring. My idea is to clean the configuration files to restart selecting my passwords, removing it with apt-get will remove a big part of the system, what is the best thing I can do? |
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| 14:15.46 | greycat | how is anything with gnome- in its name "essential"? |
| 14:16.00 | greycat | !info gnome-keyring sarge |
| 14:16.03 | dpkg | gnome-keyring: (GNOME keyring services (daemon and tools)), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.4.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 91 kB, Installed size: 1024 kB |
| 14:16.10 | greycat | says "optional". |
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| 14:16.18 | abrotman | greycat: essential to "the" system .. not all systems |
| 14:16.21 | greycat | anyway... dpkg --purge --force-depends gnome-keyring, then reinstall it |
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| 14:16.31 | greycat | abrotman: essential to the point and drool interface? |
| 14:16.46 | abrotman | possibly |
| 14:16.54 | nse | greycat: dpkg wants to remove 218MB of files |
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| 14:17.00 | greycat | hell of a compression ratio. 91 kB -> 1024 kB |
| 14:17.16 | abrotman | nse: do you want to remove your keyring settings? or the systems? |
| 14:17.17 | greycat | nse: anyway... dpkg --purge --force-depends gnome-keyring, then reinstall it |
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| 14:17.23 | Nyle | what is the name of the current 'testing' |
| 14:17.26 | greycat | !etch |
| 14:17.27 | dpkg | hmm... etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 14:17.34 | nullvoid | kernel for EM64 don't support Broadcom BCM5721, anyone have the driver info? |
| 14:17.38 | abrotman | i'm not sure a user has keyring settings though |
| 14:17.42 | abrotman | nullvoid: tg3 |
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| 14:17.52 | abrotman | nullvoid: if not that .. have fun at broadcom.com :) |
| 14:18.00 | aurum | Could somebody tell me why a debian system would ping a subnet every 80 minutes? |
| 14:18.05 | abrotman | nullvoid: or if you're really lucky .. ask #debian-kde |
| 14:18.10 | abrotman | aurum: what services are you running? |
| 14:18.13 | greycat | aurum: samba? |
| 14:18.17 | abrotman | nullvoid: err .. #debian-amd64 |
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| 14:18.30 | abrotman | bad fingers .. but it's not your fault kde needs so much help! |
| 14:18.37 | aurum | I think samba is enabled, yes. |
| 14:18.44 | nullvoid | abrotman: not amd64 but em64 as in intel base |
| 14:18.46 | aurum | Otherwise it's a mail server |
| 14:18.48 | nse | abrotman: I changed my root password recently and now gnome-keyring do not open my root app anymore, even after giving to it the corret password. I don't know what's wrong, so I'll clean everything, do you have a better idea? |
| 14:18.56 | abrotman | nullvoid: i know what it is .. yo'ure using the amd64 installer right ? |
| 14:19.03 | aurum | postfix, amavis, clamav, spamassassin |
| 14:19.06 | abrotman | and iirc .. it's em64t |
| 14:19.19 | greycat | nse: ask a gnome channel |
| 14:19.25 | abrotman | nse: no idea .. why are you using gnome-keyring as root? |
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| 14:19.33 | nullvoid | no, I am using sarge i386 installer and want to use 64bit kernel |
| 14:19.37 | greycat | I'd ask "why are you using gnome" ;-) |
| 14:19.50 | abrotman | nullvoid: then afaik .. -k8 kernels are for you |
| 14:19.54 | abrotman | !k8 |
| 14:19.54 | dpkg | from memory, k8 is the 64-bit AMD processor family (Opteron). See also <amd64>. |
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| 14:20.01 | abrotman | that's no damn help |
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| 14:20.18 | abrotman | nullvoid: em64t is supposed to be compatible with amd64 .. so try the -k8 kernels |
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| 14:20.29 | nullvoid | oic |
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| 14:20.39 | nse | abrotman: I'm not, gnome keyring prompts a ask window to alloud normal user to acess root app |
| 14:20.43 | abrotman | !em46t |
| 14:20.45 | abrotman | !em64t |
| 14:20.45 | dpkg | from memory, em64t is Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Use AMD64 Debian (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums |
| 14:20.49 | greycat | what the hell is "root app"? |
| 14:20.50 | abrotman | nullvoid: ^ |
| 14:21.05 | antgel | nse: just use su |
| 14:21.10 | abrotman | or sux |
| 14:21.12 | greycat | "Extreme Edition Pentium?? |
| 14:21.22 | nse | greycat: is an app that can only be used by the root. don't make yourself a fool |
| 14:21.25 | greycat | does it have fluorescent paint? |
| 14:21.26 | abrotman | greycat: you know .. like .. Control Panel Printers interface from the crayolaOS |
| 14:21.32 | nullvoid | abroatman: I am able to download the -em64t-p4 but it doesn't support my nic |
| 14:21.35 | abrotman | !fool greycat |
| 14:21.40 | Caelum | haha, intel cloning amd |
| 14:21.48 | greycat | nse: I'm not "making myself a fool". I have NO fucking clue what you mean by "root app". |
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| 14:21.57 | greycat | nse: you are speaking a foreign language. |
| 14:22.03 | abrotman | nullvoid: you might have to email debian-kernel .. or see broadcom.com for the driver |
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| 14:22.45 | abrotman | nullvoid: http://broadcom.com/drivers/downloaddrivers.php |
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| 14:22.52 | greycat | nse: if you mean "I want to run an X client as UID 0", see "/msg dpkg run stuff as root" |
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| 14:22.55 | abrotman | nullvoid: but i'd email the debian-kernel list first |
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| 14:23.07 | greycat | nse: I have no clue how gnome-keyring relates to that |
| 14:23.13 | greycat | SINCE I DO NOT USE GNOME. |
| 14:23.24 | abrotman | i do .. and i still have nfc what he's going on about |
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| 14:24.31 | VisualX14 | I try playing my AUDIO DISCS on Debian, it reads it but no sound comes out, does anyone know why? |
| 14:24.35 | nullvoid | abrotman: what's the email add? |
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| 14:24.48 | abrotman | nullvoid: debian-kernel@lists.debian.org if i had to guess |
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| 14:24.48 | antgel | !tel VisualX14 about vague |
| 14:24.52 | greycat | VisualX14: check that you ran the little cable from the CD-ROM to the sound card |
| 14:24.59 | abrotman | nullvoid: check lists.debian.org to make sure |
| 14:25.01 | greycat | VisualX14: audio CD playback requires that |
| 14:25.03 | nse | abrotman, greycat: Everything will be fine. Thanks, guys. |
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| 14:25.11 | Rewt[w] | anyone had any luck installing Flash Communication Server on Debian? |
| 14:25.11 | nullvoid | abrotman: am I need to subscribe to that mailing list first? |
| 14:25.14 | abrotman | greycat: it's ok now .. i feel better |
| 14:25.18 | abrotman | nullvoid: not sure ... |
| 14:25.21 | VisualX14 | Greycat: I don't quite understand |
| 14:25.23 | Isumi | VisualX14, it's the same on my laptop with xmms, but with totem it works well |
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| 14:25.30 | abrotman | nullvoid: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/ |
| 14:25.34 | justin | greycat: audio cd playback in 1995 required the cable, it hasn't in a long time |
| 14:25.37 | greycat | VisualX14: if you don't have a little cable from the CD-ROM to the sound card (inside the case), then you'll have to rip the CD digitally. |
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| 14:25.48 | greycat | justin: it still does if you don't use digital extraction |
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| 14:26.35 | justin | greycat: many apps do.. including I think windows media player, which causes people to be confused when it doesn't work in linux |
| 14:26.44 | VisualX14 | Why does it do that? I've never had to do that for any other linux distro? |
| 14:26.52 | greycat | justin: yup |
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| 14:27.04 | greycat | VisualX14: sounds like you want to use KDE. |
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| 14:27.11 | greycat | KDE's CD player uses DAE. |
| 14:27.12 | VisualX14 | Yup |
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| 14:27.34 | VisualX14 | So its only KDE reall7y? |
| 14:27.35 | Rewt[w] | hmm |
| 14:27.44 | antgel | xmms can use dae if you switch it on. note VisualX14 didn't even say what app he's using |
| 14:27.45 | greycat | VisualX14: there are others. |
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| 14:27.55 | greycat | xmms's CD playing is also shit. |
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| 14:28.18 | antgel | greycat: who cares? once it's playing that's it |
| 14:28.24 | greycat | "Hey, let's address the CD player by some random directory that's serving as a mount point, even though you can't *mount* an audio CD!" |
| 14:28.28 | dream_ | ok people can someone help me i need to get this module OPL3SA2 |
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| 14:28.34 | dream_ | and it doesnt exist in my debian |
| 14:28.39 | dream_ | what shall i do? |
| 14:28.41 | Rewt[w] | anyone had any luck installing Flash Communication Server? |
| 14:28.49 | greycat | dream_: apt-get --reinstall install kernel-image-$(uname -r) |
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| 14:28.56 | justin | greycat: I think the 2 times I used that feature, I just clicked the "add to playlist" button or whatever it is called that is in the settings for that plugin |
| 14:28.59 | greycat | dream_: updatedb && locate opl3sa2 |
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| 14:29.09 | greycat | justin: I just use grip instead. |
| 14:29.36 | antgel | dream_: that module should be included. is it not in /lib/modules? |
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| 14:30.08 | antgel | Rewt[w]: /msg dpkg anyone (and it sounds like the worst application ever) |
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| 14:30.45 | VisualX14 | so how do I get XMMS to play my AUDIO DISC again? |
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| 14:30.54 | dream_ | couldn't find package kernal-image-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 14:30.56 | streuner | install xmms plugin for |
| 14:30.56 | antgel | VisualX14: i have an idea. read the xmms manual. |
| 14:31.03 | dream_ | so what do i do now if it saids it cant find it |
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| 14:31.11 | streuner | VisualX14: and connect CDROM to your soundcard |
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| 14:31.49 | antgel | dream_: that module is fucking included in the kernel. have you modprobed it? |
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| 14:32.05 | streuner | xmms-cdread - Input plugin for XMMS that reads audio data from CDs |
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| 14:33.04 | rking | ok, so i fixed what wasn't broke by running "alsaconf", and now my USB headset isn't registerring along with my normal sound card - i get: "modprobe: FATAL: Error running install command for sound_slot_1" and grepping /etc/modprobe.d/ for "sound.slot.1" has yielded one line, "install sound-slot-1 modprobe snd-card-1", and i can't find "snd-card-1" anywhere. |
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| 14:34.14 | dream_ | antgel, yes |
| 14:34.34 | antgel | dream_: so why are you telling us it doesn't exist? |
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| 14:34.50 | dream_ | because it doesnt |
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| 14:34.53 | greycat | antgel: he/she was in here yesterday under a different nick with the same problem. |
| 14:35.01 | dream_ | i did try to modprobe it and it saids the file is not there |
| 14:35.02 | greycat | antgel: never did listen to a damned thing I said. |
| 14:35.25 | dream_ | i was listening |
| 14:35.37 | dream_ | you just didnt tell me how to update it |
| 14:35.39 | greycat | antgel: I said something like "updatedb && locate opl3sa2" and he/she said "what is the command?" |
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| 14:35.43 | dream_ | and i did what you told me |
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| 14:36.00 | dream_ | and now it saids it can't find package |
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| 14:36.11 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 14:36.11 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
| 14:36.13 | antgel | dream_: ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/driver/sound/opl* |
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| 14:36.38 | greycat | antgel: no such file... |
| 14:36.56 | dream_ | no such file or directory |
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| 14:37.07 | greycat | antgel: drivers, not driver |
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| 14:37.23 | antgel | dream_: what greycat said^^ |
| 14:37.25 | aarkerio | Hi, how can I add one true type font (TTF) to whole system? |
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| 14:37.43 | greycat | dream_: are you somehow *NOT* cutting and pasting our commands? why are you giving vague approximations of the errors? |
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| 14:37.48 | streuner | aarkerio: xorg? |
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| 14:38.02 | streuner | aarkerio: /msg dpkg ttf xf4 |
| 14:38.09 | dream_ | i am on two different computers greycat |
| 14:38.15 | greycat | SSH GOD DAMN IT! |
| 14:38.20 | greycat | there is NO excuse. |
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| 14:38.39 | greycat | there's our *first* problem. |
| 14:38.57 | abrotman | no .. there is an excuse .. but i'll be polite :) |
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| 14:38.58 | jethro | !lart securityfocus dbas |
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| 14:39.41 | greycat | abrotman: if he/she were having a NETWORK driver problem, there might be an excuse. |
| 14:39.44 | greycat | abrotman: but for *sound*? |
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| 14:40.01 | Bob332 | anyone know of a util that will convert my base64 text into a binary??\ |
| 14:40.03 | greycat | you'd damn well better have your network fucking UP and RUNNING before you start fucking with sound. |
| 14:40.04 | abrotman | what .. they haven't implemented TCP over emu10k1 ? |
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| 14:40.15 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 14:40.17 | dream_ | network is running |
| 14:40.22 | FieldySnuts | TCP/audio cable |
| 14:40.33 | greycat | dream_: then ssh to the debian box and cut and paste the commands and their errors |
| 14:40.37 | FieldySnuts | TCP/ps2 |
| 14:40.39 | dream_ | greycat, i just have to work out enlightenment and the sound problem |
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| 14:40.52 | dream_ | greycat, i dont know how to do ssh yet |
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| 14:41.17 | streuner | dpkg, tell sniegas about root |
| 14:41.18 | dream_ | greycat, i dont even have a putty software in debian |
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| 14:41.25 | greycat | dream_: apt-get install ssh |
| 14:41.26 | jethro | dream_: apt-get install ssh, man ssh |
| 14:41.26 | antgel | this is top |
| 14:41.30 | abrotman | dream_: what kind of workstation are you on now? |
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| 14:41.38 | greycat | abrotman: (s)he blocked my CTCP VERSION |
| 14:44.36 | greycat | or at least, didn't respond |
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| 14:45.16 | nullvoid | Linux BASP (IA64) - what does BASP means? |
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| 14:46.06 | abrotman | resiak: ! |
| 14:46.06 | abrotman | dream_: what kind of workstation? |
| 14:46.06 | abrotman | someone stop this crazy ride ... |
| 14:46.06 | SimonRaven | wtf is going on... |
| 14:46.06 | nullvoid | when downloading broadcom driver it give options, what Linux BASP (IA64) means? |
| 14:46.06 | *** mode/#debian [-J] by LoRez |
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| 14:46.06 | nullvoid | split and merge |
| 14:46.07 | streuner | SimonRaven: read news at freenode |
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| 14:46.07 | antgel | what are you complaining about? |
| 14:46.07 | abrotman | nullvoid: ia64 ... not for you .. itanium |
| 14:46.07 | dream_ | abrontman, my desktop is on windows 2000 :( |
| 14:46.07 | SNow | hi all, can you please tell me where is the ipv6 field in 2.4.31 kernel? I want to include it or make an module, please help me. |
| 14:46.07 | SimonRaven | meh, just a bouncy bouncy |
| 14:46.07 | SimonRaven | networking options |
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| 14:46.08 | SNow | I can't find it in there |
| 14:46.08 | abrotman | dream_: on the debian box . apt-get install ssh .. on your windows box http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty.exe |
| 14:46.08 | nullvoid | abrotman: I am running IBM x266 so which kernel I should use? |
| 14:46.08 | LSorensen | SNow: I thought ipv6 support was a module in all debian provided kernels |
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| 14:46.08 | SNow | can you please tell me where it is exactly :) |
| 14:46.08 | SNow | LSorensen it isn't |
| 14:46.08 | abrotman | nullvoid: what is the CPU .. i don't know IBM models |
| 14:46.08 | LSorensen | nullvoid: what is an x266? |
| 14:46.08 | abrotman | blade? |
| 14:46.08 | SimonRaven | it is |
| 14:46.08 | abrotman | PPC? |
| 14:46.08 | FieldySnuts | spleen? |
| 14:46.08 | SimonRaven | pancreas? |
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| 14:46.09 | greycat | SNow: if you can't find it by reading "less .config" then you can't build a custom kernel. AND NO, WE WILL NOT FUCKING GREP IT FOR YOU. |
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| 14:46.09 | greycat | LSorensen: 2.4.31 is not a debian provided kernel |
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| 14:46.09 | SNow | greycat thanks ;]] |
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| 14:46.09 | SimonRaven | DO_IT_YOUR_FUCKING_SELF |
| 14:46.09 | LSorensen | SNow: well I have used ipv6 with debian kernels. any reason you are building your own if you don't know how to find options in the kernel config? |
| 14:46.09 | streuner | !kernel |
| 14:46.09 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 14:46.10 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.13, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-pre3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.13-rc6-mm2 |
| 14:46.13 | greycat | liar! 2.6.13 isn't stable. |
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| 14:46.35 | abrotman | dream_: are you doing that now? |
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| 14:46.43 | SimonRaven | it's more 'release' than 'stable' |
| 14:46.46 | LSorensen | well 2.6.13 is released. as for stable, well... |
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| 14:47.27 | SNow | greycat i can't find it there |
| 14:47.28 | poncho | bye. |
| 14:47.28 | Esampaio | can someone help me? |
| 14:47.36 | Esampaio | my network dissapeared after reboot |
| 14:47.37 | abrotman | you must ask |
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| 14:48.01 | greycat | SNow: then use a debian kernel image |
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| 14:48.32 | abrotman | reboot why? |
| 14:48.33 | dream_ | i did it abrotman |
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| 14:48.51 | abrotman | dream_: so ssh to your debian box .. and do whatever they were telling you to do before |
| 14:48.52 | drp | what was the deal with all the spam bots in here |
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| 14:49.02 | jethro | !topicsmite drp |
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| 14:49.03 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon drp. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 14:49.06 | SimonRaven | they're still coming |
| 14:49.10 | nullvoid | Intel® Extended Memory 64 Technology (EM64T) |
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| 14:49.13 | greycat | they come, but they can't talk. |
| 14:49.14 | ryanakca | when I installed my kernel, I went "fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image" and then "dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.12.5_10.00.Custom_i386.deb". I've set it so that it automaticly updates Grub. Only problem is, it wont boot. I've followed this guide:http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/90 any ideas of what I'm doing wrong? |
| 14:49.16 | poncho | Hi! |
| 14:49.17 | abrotman | nullvoid: ok .. and? |
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| 14:49.29 | SimonRaven | though they should start dying off like poisoned fruit flies |
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| 14:49.31 | nullvoid | which kernel I need to use |
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| 14:49.35 | poncho | I have switched to bitchx. |
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| 14:49.52 | greycat | poncho: from what? |
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| 14:49.57 | poncho | xchat. |
| 14:50.01 | SimonRaven | *plonk* |
| 14:50.04 | greycat | heh |
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| 14:50.12 | abrotman | nullvoid: more than one CPU? |
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| 14:50.19 | nullvoid | no one cpu |
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| 14:50.35 | SimonRaven | a downgrade |
| 14:50.41 | Caelum | poncho: try irssi-text sometime too |
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| 14:50.47 | abrotman | nullvoid: kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4 |
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| 14:50.52 | greycat | !listvals blender |
| 14:50.54 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'blender' by value (7): ralph ;; blender ;; blender blender ;; CMD: crappastesmite (.*?) ;; democrat ;; james` ;; CMD: blend (.*?). |
| 14:51.01 | poncho | Caelum : ok thanks. |
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| 14:51.03 | SimonRaven | almost said sidgrade, but he said xchat to bitchx |
| 14:51.06 | SimonRaven | side* |
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| 14:51.15 | antgel | ryanakca: yep, you're giving use no indication of the errors |
| 14:51.18 | antgel | s/use/us |
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| 14:51.28 | greycat | ravenbird, listvals blender |
| 14:51.31 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'blender' by value (5): blender blender ;; ralph ;; democrat ;; james` ;; blender. |
| 14:51.37 | greycat | damn. |
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| 14:51.42 | greycat | someone must have overwritten it |
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| 14:52.29 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: democrat? |
| 14:52.30 | ravenbird | i guess democrat is what you get when you stick a republican in a blender, and add a little green food coloring |
| 14:52.35 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 14:52.41 | greycat | ravenbird: republican? |
| 14:52.43 | ravenbird | hmm... republican is http://www.scc.net/~kburton/kiddiepubs.htm |
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| 14:53.15 | antgel | !politics |
| 14:53.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 14:53.27 | streuner | haha |
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| 14:54.00 | sussudio | "The stink badger is not a particularly fast animal, but has been known to trot when surprised. Their primary defense is their "stink bomb", which is actually a milky green secretion." |
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| 14:54.04 | sussudio | hmm badgermilk. |
| 14:54.05 | ryanakca | when I installed my kernel, I went "fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image" and then "dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.12.5_10.00.Custom_i386.deb". I've set it so that it automaticly updates Grub. Only problem is, it wont boot. I've followed this guide:http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/90 any ideas of what I'm doing wrong? The error I get will be posted in #flood in a couple of seconds |
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| 14:54.09 | jarnaud | Hi, where can I find NETBOOT ISO for installing Sarge on a DELL 1850? |
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| 14:54.39 | Mindship-01 | Where do I set whether KP_decimal generates a "." or a ","? |
| 14:54.42 | DoppelGanger | hmmmm good question jarnaud |
| 14:54.51 | sussudio | !dell |
| 14:54.51 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap, or http://www.domsch.com/linux/ |
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| 14:55.13 | jarnaud | thanx |
| 14:55.15 | aedwards_ | Folks, is there a channel for vpns...specifically ipsec? |
| 14:55.33 | Lee__ | would anyone know progress on getting firefox in sarge to stop segfaulting after the latest security update? I've pinned mine to two revisions ago. |
| 14:55.39 | aedwards_ | The list is under heavy load I can't do a search |
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| 14:56.58 | SimonRaven | amazing, actual real nicks instead of those fucking bots |
| 14:57.26 | aurum | ps ax |
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| 14:58.35 | jass_s | hello, i'm having problems installing proftpd on my machine, i apt-get install but it says that it cant start the server neither standalone nor inetd and asks me to check my configuration, but i dont know what to check for, any ideas? |
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| 14:59.12 | Lee__ | jass_s: look in /etc/defaults and rad the manpage for proftpd |
| 14:59.17 | Lee__ | s/rad/read/ |
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| 14:59.32 | Lee__ | or, like, don't use FTP because it sucks. |
| 14:59.35 | jass_s | Lee__: okay, thanks |
| 14:59.43 | greycat | wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 14:59.49 | SimonRaven | you sound like a bloot' factoid |
| 14:59.53 | greycat | !ftp must die |
| 14:59.53 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 14:59.56 | Lee__ | !ftp |
| 14:59.56 | dpkg | i heard ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 15:00.22 | ryanakca | When I installed my kernel, I went "fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image" and then "dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.12.5_10.00.Custom_i386.deb". I've set it so that it automaticly updates Grub. Only problem is, it wont boot. I've followed this guide:http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/90 any ideas of what I'm doing wrong? Error message can be found at: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ln1cUt31.html |
| 15:01.02 | LSorensen | ryanakca: did you include all the ide and filesystem drivers needed to mount /? |
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| 15:01.32 | LSorensen | ryanakca: certainly your error says, no you forgot something needed to find hda |
| 15:01.46 | Lee__ | ryanakca: dod you make oldconfig? |
| 15:01.51 | bibe | ryanakca : it seems you compiled the ide/scsi support as a module, and you don't use initrd |
| 15:01.55 | r3v | ryanakca: did you build in ide and your filesystem? |
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| 15:03.25 | Mindship-01 | Where do I set whether KP_decimal generates a "." or a ","? |
| 15:03.37 | greycat | sounds like a locale thing |
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| 15:04.31 | ryanakca | ok, so I need ext2 and ext3 support, ide support (not module) and I've been told that I dont need initrd in the past so I'm not sure. I've got initrd set to be loaded, but It never makes an initrd image for me |
| 15:04.53 | greycat | !custom kernel |
| 15:04.53 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
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| 15:05.12 | solemnwarning | hi all |
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| 15:05.22 | solemnwarning | im trying to setup mbmon |
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| 15:05.24 | leonie | omg. |
| 15:05.39 | solemnwarning | but only temp sensor i can use is TEMP/2 and i think its system temp |
| 15:05.43 | leonie | dmesg tut so als wäre alles ok, pon beschwert sich nicht, in ifconfig beschieht nichts und poff sagt no pppd running |
| 15:05.49 | solemnwarning | when i do telnet 127.0.0.1 411 none of other sensors are enabled |
| 15:05.52 | bibe | ryanakca : to build an initrd, you must specify --initrd option with make-kpkg. you only need it if you compiled something useful during boot (such as ext2/ext3 support) as a module |
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| 15:05.55 | solemnwarning | so i cant check cpu temp |
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| 15:06.07 | solemnwarning | how do i enable cpu temp in mbmon? |
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| 15:06.14 | solemnwarning | Connected to 127.0.0.1. |
| 15:06.20 | solemnwarning | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 15:06.26 | solemnwarning | TEMP0 : 0.0 |
| 15:06.33 | solemnwarning | TEMP1 : 0.0 |
| 15:06.42 | solemnwarning | TEMP2 : 38.0 |
| 15:06.50 | streuner | solemnwarning: have you ever used 'sensors-detect'? |
| 15:06.50 | solemnwarning | how can i enable TEMP0\TEMP1 for cpu? |
| 15:06.57 | solemnwarning | huh? |
| 15:07.02 | Hecate | Hi I'm new to Linux and I have a question: I have an hd with windows 98 on it, and I was looking to install Debian on another disk. The installation went well (I chose to write GRUB or LILO on the master boot record, because making a boot disk doesn't work (dunno why)) but when the system is restarting it freeze when loading LILO or GRUB |
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| 15:09.47 | streuner | solemnwarning: install lm-sensors |
| 15:09.48 | samuel | ok..... |
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| 15:09.48 | ryanakca | good old netsplits :) |
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| 15:09.49 | ryanakca | ok, and another question, when I run dpkg-reconfigure wacom-tools, it asks for kernel headers, but I never got a package called kernel headers, I just got one folder out of my kernel tarball |
| 15:09.49 | Loevborg | anyone know some scripts for generating postfix ssl certificates? |
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| 15:09.51 | samuel | ryanakca, get the kernel headers package then |
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| 15:10.03 | streuner | solemnwarning: if you getting no results with 'mbmon' your sensor chipsets aren't supported at all... |
| 15:10.21 | Hecate | Second try: I have an hd with windows 98 on it, and I was looking to install Debian on another disk. The installation went well (I chose to write GRUB or LILO on the master boot record, because making a boot disk doesn't work (dunno why)) but when the system is restarting it freeze when loading LILO or GRUB |
| 15:10.21 | ryanakca | samuel: whats the difference? |
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| 15:10.38 | GodKilla- | hey all |
| 15:10.55 | GodKilla- | got a question: what file format does a desktop theme have to be? |
| 15:11.00 | samuel | ryanakca, if you got a tarball i think you may have got the kernel source... kernel headers are also needed |
| 15:11.02 | Lee__ | Hecate: is it LILO or GRUB? you can't have both. |
| 15:11.13 | Hecate | Lee__: I tried both |
| 15:11.16 | samuel | ryanakca, the header files for the kernel |
| 15:11.20 | Nielsen | Lee__: well you can, but its messy |
| 15:11.20 | GodKilla- | tried to use the .desktop and the .xml and the .tar file bot none works |
| 15:11.31 | Lee__ | Nielsen: what's the point of two bootloaders? |
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| 15:11.42 | SimonRaven | GodKilla-: desktop theme? |
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| 15:11.56 | Hecate | Lee__: How can I 'clean' my master boot record if I installed LILO and GRUB? |
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| 15:12.09 | GodKilla- | SimonRaven: yes that changed the task bars color the icons etc |
| 15:12.16 | GodKilla- | changes* |
| 15:12.21 | beardy | Only 274 people here? Must be the lowest in a long time? |
| 15:12.36 | GodKilla- | ^^ |
| 15:12.46 | Hecate | I disconnected my windows 98 hd and the Debian installation went fine actually... |
| 15:12.52 | solemnwarning | streuner: ive installed lmsensors and ran sensors-detect |
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| 15:13.00 | [_Steve_] | What's the easiest way to upgrade my kernel. I've upgraded to sarge, but I'm still on a 2.4.31 kernel. Is there a good alternative to compiling a new kernel -- that's what google seems to say :-( |
| 15:13.02 | streuner | beardy: we have throw all idlers out ;-) |
| 15:13.05 | solemnwarning | still only got sys temp sensor, not cpu temp |
| 15:13.09 | Lee__ | Hecate: you can reformat the whole drive and write zeros to it. but you might not want to do that. |
| 15:13.17 | SimonRaven | GodKilla-: what are you trying to do? |
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| 15:13.28 | Lee__ | Hecate: perhaps the second disk is messing it up. how's you're jumper configuration? |
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| 15:13.39 | streuner | solemwarning: as i told you before, its likely that your chipset isn't supported yet then |
| 15:13.40 | Lee__ | you don't need win98 anyway. |
| 15:13.40 | Hecate | I read somewhere that I can't install windows AFTER I installed Debian is it true? |
| 15:13.51 | Lee__ | Windows dominates your MBR |
| 15:13.52 | solemnwarning | damm |
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| 15:13.56 | Ronin | Hecate: no its not true its just easier the other way |
| 15:14.00 | PeterB | Hecate: You can. Windows will just overwrite your MBR. |
| 15:14.05 | greycat | Hecate: you'd just have to rewrite the MBR |
| 15:14.08 | Hecate | All right |
| 15:14.14 | solemnwarning | how long does it normally take for a new sensor to be supported |
| 15:14.16 | beardy | [_Steve_]: (gah, change your nick :) ) The easiest and best way if you don't have a reason to do otherwise, is to install a kernel-image package using the method you prefer, aptitude, apt-get, synaptic or other. |
| 15:14.28 | solemnwarning | and why is my sys temp supported but not cpu temp?? |
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| 15:14.43 | GodKilla- | SimonRaven: installing a new desktop theme obvisiosly |
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| 15:14.49 | streuner | solemnwarning: well, send lm-sensors some patches ;-) |
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| 15:15.12 | [_Steve_] | Thanks beardy. I'll give that a go... |
| 15:15.19 | solemnwarning | streuner: how? |
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| 15:15.47 | streuner | solemnwarning: read its changelog, there is usually upstream source |
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| 15:15.57 | solemnwarning | huh? |
| 15:15.59 | Tallia1[UbuntU]3 | hi guys,... |
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| 15:16.16 | beardy | [_Steve_]: To look for a suitable kernel-image, /msg dpkg search (in your IRC client) And after reading that, apt-cache search kernel-image | less, or another method of searching. |
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| 15:16.27 | Hecate | Lee__: Well if that was a jumper problem, I think the computer wouldn't see the drive at all... I think in fact it wouldn't boot |
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| 15:16.36 | PeterB | !nickometer Tallia1[UbuntU]3 |
| 15:16.37 | dpkg | 'Tallia1[UbuntU]3' is 99.720% lame, peterb |
| 15:16.42 | Tallia1[UbuntU]3 | do i need a firewall for my kubuntu system ?? |
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| 15:16.53 | Hecate | Lee__: not sure in fact I don't know |
| 15:16.54 | Lee__ | Hecate: hey, if win98's on it, that means it's an old computer, which means anything goes. |
| 15:17.02 | Ronin | dont know ask in #kubuntu? |
| 15:17.11 | Lee__ | kubuntu? |
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| 15:17.20 | Hecate | All right |
| 15:17.23 | Tallia1[UbuntU]3 | Lee__: in general for a debian system |
| 15:17.27 | streuner | Lee__: ubuntu with KDE |
| 15:17.28 | solemnwarning | streuner: how can i make a patch for my cpu temp sensor? |
| 15:17.38 | Lee__ | woah. distro MANIA! |
| 15:17.52 | SimonRaven | Tallia1[UbuntU]3: #ubuntu is > that way |
| 15:18.01 | nullvoid | heh |
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| 15:18.33 | Lee__ | Tallia1[UbuntU]3: yes, firewalls are useful if you need one. |
| 15:18.33 | nullvoid | !nickometer mynullvoid |
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| 15:18.58 | nullvoid | !nickometer nullvoid |
| 15:19.01 | nullvoid | heh' |
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| 15:19.24 | KSergio | hello. Any hint on when kde will be installable again in unstable? :/ |
| 15:19.32 | greycat | when it's fixed |
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| 15:19.40 | beardy | streuner: heh, is that why I wasn't rejoined after some server issue? (I'm never automatically let back in when that happens though, perhaps the same for everyone) |
| 15:19.41 | solemnwarning | streuner: how can i make a patch for my cpu temp sensor? |
| 15:19.44 | Lee__ | KSergio: isn't there an email list for that kind of info? |
| 15:19.52 | KSergio | is there? |
| 15:20.00 | streuner | beardy: read news at freenode |
| 15:20.19 | chealer | KSergio: ask #debian-kde |
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| 15:20.25 | Lee__ | KSergio: debian-devel or something? |
| 15:20.28 | KSergio | thanks chealer |
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| 15:20.36 | streuner | solemnwarning: scroll up, i told you already |
| 15:20.51 | Tallia1[UbuntU]3 | Lee__: can you suggest me a good firewall? |
| 15:20.58 | KSergio | somehow i tought my question could create less pollution in IRC than in a mailing list |
| 15:21.12 | beardy | streuner: yeah, let back into #debian I mean, after autoreconnecting to freenode.. oh well, Iäll go read. |
| 15:21.19 | Lee__ | Tallia1[UbuntU]3: man iptables |
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| 15:21.31 | solemnwarning | no |
| 15:21.36 | Tallia1[UbuntU]3 | -__- |
| 15:21.40 | solemnwarning | u said where i could get source |
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| 15:21.59 | poncho | hello! |
| 15:22.09 | Lee__ | Tallia1[UbuntU]3: that's a cute face. like the ghost from Spirited Away. |
| 15:22.17 | SimonRaven | when did it go crazy in here? oh yeh, started with the server reboots... |
| 15:22.21 | solemnwarning | streuner: so how do i actaully make patch? |
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| 15:23.08 | SimonRaven | with diff, or any other diff emulating tool |
| 15:23.31 | Tallia1[UbuntU]3 | Lee__: i don't know spirited away |
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| 15:24.25 | Tallia1[UbuntU]3 | Lee__: anyway, i haven't lots of time to spend upon reading iptables man, doesn't you know a good personal firewall for KDE? |
| 15:24.36 | greycat | !hurry |
| 15:24.36 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 15:24.52 | SimonRaven | if you have to ask... |
| 15:25.08 | solemnwarning | iptables is easy |
| 15:25.14 | Lee__ | Tallia1[UbuntU]3: http://m0n0.ch/wall |
| 15:25.15 | solemnwarning | it only takes 2 commands to do |
| 15:25.16 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
| 15:25.19 | solemnwarning | iptables -F |
| 15:25.27 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:25.34 | Lee__ | Tallia1[UbuntU]3: or you could actually try and understand something you think is necessary and do it for real. |
| 15:25.35 | solemnwarning | iptables -A INPUT -j DROP ;) |
| 15:25.38 | greycat | Spirited Away is a good movie. |
| 15:25.48 | abrotman | greycat: kid's movie? |
| 15:25.53 | madclicker | i have a problem accessing webmin, i made the frickin changes required for access control , but i still canot access |
| 15:25.56 | beardy | greycat: new movie? |
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| 15:26.02 | greycat | abrotman: yes |
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| 15:26.11 | greycat | safe for youngsters |
| 15:26.23 | Lee__ | beardy: not really kids movie, but kids are welcome to watch it. |
| 15:26.27 | poncho | How do i grant, permisions for the users to use the [whatever]lib , whatever in this case = svgalib ... SUID is the solution ? |
| 15:26.41 | SimonRaven | what? |
| 15:26.45 | greycat | poncho: why are you using svgalib? |
| 15:26.52 | greycat | wasn't that deprecated 7 years ago? |
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| 15:27.06 | poncho | greycat: generator , a genesis emulator . :) |
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| 15:27.18 | greycat | and it doesn't freakin' run in *X*? |
| 15:27.22 | beardy | greycat: What should one use instead, to get svga graphics? |
| 15:27.29 | Lee__ | madclicker: perhaps your problem lies in using webmin? what kind of access control? |
| 15:27.31 | greycat | beardy: X. |
| 15:27.37 | beardy | greycat: No. |
| 15:27.57 | streuner | http://imdb.com/title/tt0245429/ <-- this one? |
| 15:28.01 | madclicker | Lee__: i did allow access from all hosts |
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| 15:28.10 | beardy | greycat: That's not the same, so have every svgalib based program been removed in sarge? |
| 15:28.16 | greycat | streuner: yes |
| 15:28.26 | Lee__ | madclicker: access for WHAT? |
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| 15:28.38 | poncho | greycat: Yes there is a GTK (mmm) version. |
| 15:28.38 | madclicker | Lee__: access to log in |
| 15:28.45 | wols | beardy: far from it |
| 15:28.48 | Lee__ | madclicker: via ssh? |
| 15:28.56 | wols | apt-cache search svgalib|wc -l |
| 15:28.56 | wols | 45 |
| 15:29.05 | madclicker | Lee__: via linx |
| 15:29.15 | madclicker | lynx |
| 15:29.17 | Lee__ | WTF is linx? |
| 15:29.29 | Lee__ | uhhh, that's a web browser |
| 15:29.33 | greycat | he corrected the spelling |
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| 15:29.51 | leira | i found my new installed sid, there is no such 40-... script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d which dealing with the user xsession scripts, i mean the ones in ~/.xsession.d |
| 15:29.53 | madclicker | Lee__: i read the documentation on README.Debian in Webmin, it told me by default it is set only for localhost |
| 15:29.54 | poncho | maybe is *lynx |
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| 15:30.10 | Lee__ | oh, you need access to the webmin control panel through lynx? |
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| 15:30.12 | SimonRaven | linx was this browser-type thing for fidonet IIRC |
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| 15:30.22 | leira | is this mean, the xsession.d things is not segested anymore? |
| 15:30.23 | SimonRaven | or was it gopher? |
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| 15:30.38 | poncho | greycat: ok, normal users can't use svgalib ? |
| 15:30.47 | SimonRaven | ca. 1992-3 |
| 15:30.51 | leira | or there should be new way to run user's session? |
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| 15:30.53 | madclicker | Lee__: mozilla, konqueror, you name it, it gives me the certificate and the a message 10.0.0.100 access denied, how dumb iss that? |
| 15:30.59 | greycat | poncho: sorry, I don't have my 486 any more. |
| 15:30.59 | coreyo | is there an easy way to reroute all audio to a remote esound server, rather than trying to call esddsp wrapped around every call? |
| 15:31.03 | riot | mapserver-bin is broken in sid/experimental. It depends on libgdal1 which is only available as libgdal1-c2. I am filing a bug report. But which severity is that sort of bug? |
| 15:31.07 | greycat | poncho: and I don't run svgalib either. |
| 15:31.16 | beardy | SimonRaven: gopher was/is internet, not fidonet, but perhaps used there through a gateway yeah.. |
| 15:31.28 | Lee__ | madclicker: maybe not that dumb. if you didn't configure it correctly it's doing it's access control job very well. What do you need webmin for? |
| 15:31.32 | madclicker | Lee__: i can access through lynx on localhost but i cant access from anywhere else |
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| 15:32.05 | poncho | greycat: ok thanks anyway. |
| 15:32.41 | SimonRaven | beardy: i'm talking about this linx thing, more than the actual 'net. but yeh, i know. possibly. i didn't ask back then. i think the dude did mention internet, so it might've been gopher <-> fido gw |
| 15:32.48 | beardy | poncho: svgalib talks to the hardware directly, therefor only root is allowed to use it |
| 15:32.52 | dbrock | how can I set it up so that TCP port 21 is an alias for TCP port 1234, in order to let users connect to the service that's listening on port 1234 through either port? |
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| 15:33.55 | stew | dbrock: what service? |
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| 15:34.00 | poncho | beardy: thanks for the aclaration |
| 15:34.11 | poncho | !dpkg tell poncho how to suid |
| 15:34.18 | dbrock | stew: openvpn (I don't think it supports listening on multiple ports) |
| 15:34.35 | dbrock | stew: I was thinking in terms of iptables |
| 15:34.35 | madclicker | Lee__: to configure samba |
| 15:35.30 | Lee__ | madclicker: two ways to do that. 1) SWAT 2) the files in /etc/samba. Webmin is a very round-about way to configure samba. |
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| 15:35.51 | elops | Anyone knows how to change the timestamp of a symlink to the same as what its linking to has? |
| 15:36.06 | Lee__ | dbrock: you might be able to use iptables redirects but why do you want the same service on two ports? |
| 15:36.33 | dbrock | I think I'll be able to figure it out |
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| 15:37.26 | kspath | touch the link? |
| 15:37.30 | kspath | touch? |
| 15:37.32 | dbrock | Lee__: some people can't connect to anything other than port 21 and 80 due to firewalls, but I don't want to stop listening to the standard port because that would be inconvenient to people not behind firewalls |
| 15:37.34 | E-bola | Do anybody know how u can change the timestamp of a symbolic link? |
| 15:37.55 | Lee__ | dbrock: perhaps you could make an external proxy? |
| 15:37.56 | kspath | E-bola: touch the link? using touch command |
| 15:38.01 | E-bola | kspath: dont seam to work |
| 15:38.07 | E-bola | i dont tihnk touch works on symlinks |
| 15:38.13 | dbrock | Lee__: external proxy? |
| 15:38.14 | cahoot | E-bola: recreate it? |
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| 15:38.23 | E-bola | cahoot: that will give it current time |
| 15:38.31 | E-bola | i want it to have the same time as what its linking too |
| 15:38.33 | E-bola | which is in the past |
| 15:38.48 | Lee__ | dbrock: a second host that you tell the users with firewall restrictions to connect to that redirects everything to port 1234 on the actual VPN host. |
| 15:39.13 | kspath | E-bola: -t STAMP |
| 15:39.13 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.18 | Lee__ | then users on sane networks can still connect to the normal gateway |
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| 15:39.29 | E-bola | kspath: try it |
| 15:39.31 | E-bola | it doesnt work |
| 15:39.38 | E-bola | only works on hardlinks or files |
| 15:40.00 | SimonRaven | i use -d, it uses the same formats as 'date' |
| 15:40.09 | E-bola | well test it guys :) |
| 15:40.11 | E-bola | it doesnt work |
| 15:40.20 | SimonRaven | on what? i came in the middle |
| 15:40.26 | E-bola | make a symlink to something |
| 15:40.28 | greycat | !set the time |
| 15:40.28 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 15:40.32 | E-bola | and try to see if u can change the timestamp back 1 year |
| 15:40.46 | SimonRaven | no, it'll work on the original. you want somehing like no dereference |
| 15:40.58 | E-bola | i dont want to change the originl |
| 15:41.02 | Loevborg | how can I match map_* but not map_*.db with bash? |
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| 15:41.10 | Loevborg | (with a glob) |
| 15:41.28 | SimonRaven | so re-create the symlink. use ln -si. it'll ask you instead of erroring out |
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| 15:41.49 | SimonRaven | or you can force it, if scripting this |
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| 15:41.55 | E-bola | huh? |
| 15:42.00 | E-bola | maybe i should detail my problem more |
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| 15:42.12 | E-bola | i have a directory of symlinks, linking to files and folders on other disks |
| 15:42.31 | E-bola | i want my directory of symlinks sorted by the order of the date of the things they link to |
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| 15:42.53 | SimonRaven | yes, and? |
| 15:42.55 | E-bola | so i need to have my symlinks have the same timestamp as what they link to |
| 15:43.03 | greycat | why do you think that? |
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| 15:43.17 | SimonRaven | @tell root -about roo |
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| 15:43.20 | SimonRaven | @tell root -about root |
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| 15:43.28 | greycat | sounds like you just need to rewrite your C or perl program to follow the links. |
| 15:43.29 | SimonRaven | root: sorry about that mis-fire |
| 15:43.30 | E-bola | greycat: talking to me? |
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| 15:43.51 | E-bola | its for use with an ftp |
| 15:44.02 | kspath | an ftp what? |
| 15:44.10 | E-bola | server |
| 15:44.35 | E-bola | my users see a directory of symlinks |
| 15:44.45 | E-bola | if they enter one of them they get taken to another directory |
| 15:44.47 | E-bola | that works fine |
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| 15:44.57 | E-bola | the problem is, the directory of symlinks, cant be sorted by order of creation |
| 15:44.59 | greycat | so put dates *IN* the symlink names. |
| 15:45.11 | E-bola | if i could touch the symlinks with a specific date i coudl script it so they had same timestamp as what they linked to |
| 15:45.16 | greycat | "creation" cannot be done anyway. there's no creation time stored in the inodes. |
| 15:45.22 | E-bola | greycat: that indeed would be an option, but it looks a bit ugly :( |
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| 15:45.38 | E-bola | isnt there a way to manipulate a symlinks timestamp? |
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| 15:45.41 | E-bola | (why isnt there) |
| 15:45.57 | greycat | because any normal program that modifies a file just follows the symlink |
| 15:46.00 | elops | some one know why i get this whit cedga ? can't exec 'wow-1.6.0-engb-patch.exe': invalid exe file |
| 15:46.08 | kspath | edit the dir directly via perl or python or other... |
| 15:46.19 | greycat | kspath: you can't "edit a dir" |
| 15:46.26 | E-bola | why would i change the dirs timestamp? |
| 15:46.30 | E-bola | that doesnt matter |
| 15:46.33 | greycat | a directory in unix is just an unsorted list of (inode, filename) pairs |
| 15:46.35 | E-bola | since the user sees the list of symlinks |
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| 15:46.53 | jethro | !lart lazy colleagues for leaving as early as possible |
| 15:46.53 | E-bola | greycat: is there anything technically preventing you from changing a symlinks timestamp? |
| 15:46.55 | greycat | elops: Tramse: how the hell would we know? ask #cedega |
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| 15:47.17 | lapo | hi |
| 15:47.21 | greycat | E-bola: realistically, the *easiest* way would probably be to delete them all and recreate them in order |
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| 15:47.35 | kspath | he wants them back dated |
| 15:47.38 | E-bola | greycat: ahhh true thats a good idea |
| 15:47.49 | greycat | kspath: no, he just wants them in a specific order |
| 15:47.50 | E-bola | i dont need the specific times, just the correct order |
| 15:47.59 | E-bola | so indeed creating them in a certain order would work |
| 15:48.04 | kspath | ok I am an idiot |
| 15:48.12 | E-bola | Heh should have thought of that my self |
| 15:48.13 | E-bola | thanks |
| 15:48.15 | lapo | is there a way with sarge to have root on raid1 w/o a recompiled kernel? |
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| 15:49.46 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 15:50.08 | tengulre | anybody can my spell! |
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| 15:50.25 | SimonRaven | your spell what? |
| 15:50.27 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 15:50.36 | tengulre | I have a problem. |
| 15:50.40 | greycat | we noticed. |
| 15:50.41 | tengulre | can u help me? |
| 15:50.51 | jethro | !tell tengulre -about smart questions |
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| 15:50.53 | SimonRaven | !rube goldberg problem |
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| 15:51.18 | tengulre | how to use vgrabbj ? I have a USB camera Z-Star. |
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| 15:51.32 | SimonRaven | you read its documentation |
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| 15:51.49 | tengulre | SimonRaven, no docs. |
| 15:51.50 | Exerd | how do i set ifconfig to dhcp? |
| 15:52.03 | stew | Exerd: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
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| 15:52.45 | SimonRaven | right. and i'm the bishop of rome. |
| 15:52.47 | lapo | Exerd, you can't use the command ifconfig to have a configuration from dhcp, you need a dchp client |
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| 15:53.14 | poncho | bye. |
| 15:53.14 | Exerd | lapo: okey thanks! |
| 15:53.30 | tengulre | hi,all! I cant got any files in /proc/video. why? |
| 15:53.31 | lapo | Exerd, you should use something like #dhclient ifname |
| 15:53.45 | SimonRaven | because |
| 15:53.47 | nkuttler | tengulre: cant got? |
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| 15:55.09 | tengulre | nkuttler,yes! I have no file /proc/video. but I could got USB-camera message in /proc/bus/usb/devices |
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| 15:56.18 | wolp | can i sneak in and ask a n00b question :P ? |
| 15:56.23 | greycat | you just did. |
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| 15:56.40 | wolp | whats the command for update from debian :O |
| 15:56.42 | nkuttler | tengulre: i have no idea what you're doing but it sounds like you miss some kernel module |
| 15:56.53 | Loevborg | I'm going nuts about this: how can I match map_* but not map_*.db with bash? |
| 15:57.12 | Loevborg | wolp, "apt-get install" might be what you're looking for |
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| 15:57.20 | wolp | aah thx |
| 15:57.26 | nkuttler | wolp: man apt-get, man aptitude |
| 15:57.27 | tengulre | nkuttler, do u know how to load video modules? |
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| 15:57.35 | greycat | Loevborg: ask #bash |
| 15:57.38 | nkuttler | tengulre: like all other modules? |
| 15:57.48 | greycat | Loevborg: quick answer: turn on extglob and read the man page |
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| 15:57.49 | Neeekraflex | # Appears as KEVIN |
| 15:58.01 | tengulre | nkuttler, what's that? |
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| 15:58.07 | nkuttler | tengulre: modprobe |
| 15:58.08 | greycat | # Appears as ANGRY GREYCAT |
| 15:58.35 | postel | comic chat... great |
| 15:58.49 | PeterB | I wonder what will # appear as next. |
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| 15:59.07 | nkuttler | i have never seen a comic chat... sounds like something i need |
| 15:59.45 | greycat | nkuttler: you have now. |
| 15:59.46 | Neeekraflex | (#G:8:E388RM1) :D |
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| 15:59.58 | nkuttler | omfg, microsoft comic chat... embrace and extend |
| 16:00.09 | Neeekraflex | (#G=10E610M1) sorry guys.. |
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| 16:00.11 | nkuttler | greycat: but... where are the cute pictures? |
| 16:00.14 | tengulre | anybody help me? |
| 16:00.22 | nkuttler | tengulre: ask a question |
| 16:00.35 | greycat | nkuttler: didn't you see them? your IRC client should have translated that "# Appears as ..." shit to pictures. |
| 16:00.37 | tengulre | nkuttler: just problem! |
| 16:00.39 | halifax | goes anybody have expirience with kernel 2.6.11.12 and alsa my soundcard is an onbaord ---> 0000:01:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS |
| 16:00.48 | halifax | and my system ist debian sage amd64 |
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| 16:01.18 | nkuttler | tengulre: man modprobe i guess... and google? |
| 16:01.45 | tengulre | nkuttle: I don't know search what? :( |
| 16:02.18 | nkuttler | tengulre: how am i supposed to know? i don't know what you are doing. |
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| 16:03.24 | greycat | debian sage. to be replaced soon by debian thyme. |
| 16:03.29 | ADebUser | can anyone offer any tips for troubleshooting "no such file or direcory" when running make? I know i am missing one or more sources but do not know what they |
| 16:03.48 | davi__ | Does Debian Sarge use devfs or udev ? |
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| 16:04.23 | ADebUser | are |
| 16:04.26 | SimonRaven | hehe |
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| 16:04.39 | nkuttler | ADebUser: install make? |
| 16:04.57 | nkuttler | ADebUser: no, wait. what do you need make for? |
| 16:05.04 | ADebUser | very clever, |
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| 16:05.21 | ADebUser | of course make is there. as is the Makefile in the directory |
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| 16:05.30 | cusco | hi |
| 16:05.34 | nkuttler | ADebUser: then tell us the full error |
| 16:05.58 | ADebUser | ComCen:/usr/src/fritz# make |
| 16:05.59 | ADebUser | make -C src |
| 16:05.59 | ADebUser | make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/fritz/src' |
| 16:05.59 | ADebUser | make -C /lib/modules/2.6.11-1-686/build SUBDIRS=/usr/src/fritz/src modules |
| 16:05.59 | ADebUser | make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686' |
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| 16:06.11 | nkuttler | .oO |
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| 16:06.21 | nkuttler | !beer SimonRaven |
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| 16:06.28 | SimonRaven | hahah |
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| 16:06.40 | SimonRaven | thanks |
| 16:06.43 | ADebUser | ComCen:/usr/src/fritz# make |
| 16:06.50 | greycat | ADebUser: stop it. |
| 16:06.52 | nkuttler | !tell ADebUser about paste |
| 16:06.53 | greycat | we don't care. |
| 16:06.54 | SimonRaven | um, hint, don't paste it here |
| 16:06.58 | tengulre | :( |
| 16:07.00 | tengulre | ? |
| 16:07.02 | ADebUser | make -C /lib/modules/2.6.11-1-686/build SUBDIRS=/usr/src/fritz/src modules |
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| 16:07.47 | ADebUser | give me a few secs |
| 16:07.58 | SimonRaven | use paster (/whois paster), or #flood |
| 16:08.02 | jeffrin | what is the purpose to user nobody |
| 16:08.17 | cusco | I am having big problems with my hard drive |
| 16:08.19 | jeffrin | what is the purpose to user nobody ? |
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| 16:08.25 | FieldySnuts | please don't repeat |
| 16:08.27 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: nobody? |
| 16:08.28 | ravenbird | hmm... nobody is there, or perfect |
| 16:08.29 | SimonRaven | so nobody can do anything. stop repeating |
| 16:08.29 | cusco | im running dsl live cd |
| 16:08.31 | FieldySnuts | lame |
| 16:08.32 | tengulre | nkuttler: I want load my USB-camera it's model is Z-Start.Crop. how to do! |
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| 16:08.52 | cusco | its like it takes lots of time to spin... what should I do? |
| 16:08.52 | jeffrin | sorry |
| 16:08.52 | nkuttler | tengulre: google cameraname+linux? |
| 16:09.09 | EdibleText | cusco, make backups |
| 16:09.14 | nkuttler | cusco: make backups |
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| 16:09.22 | greycat | jeffrin: its purpose is to be the user that does NOT own any files. |
| 16:09.23 | jetscreamer | halp! somebody give me the line that goes in sources.list for testing security updates |
| 16:09.24 | tengulre | nkuttler, I can't use google, I use irssi tool in console! |
| 16:09.24 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: no, nobody is <reply> $1: nobody is a user account commonly found on systems. It has reduced privs. Some daemons are run in this account. These days, most daemons create their own account, with reduced privs. |
| 16:09.25 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: okay |
| 16:09.28 | ADebUser | just pasted the err ot #flood |
| 16:09.32 | greycat | jeffrin: so if you setuid down to nobody, you can't hurt anything. |
| 16:09.34 | cusco | EdibleText nkuttler im not worried about my data... im am worried about my hard drive |
| 16:09.34 | nkuttler | tengulre: so? apt-get install links |
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| 16:09.56 | tengulre | nkuttle: links? |
| 16:10.04 | greycat | tengulre: apt-get install links |
| 16:10.04 | nkuttler | tengulre: apt-cache show links |
| 16:10.05 | jetscreamer | elinks and/or lynx |
| 16:10.09 | greycat | or w3m |
| 16:10.10 | Daedalus_ | cusco: if it's a physical problem, you can only wait till it dies totally |
| 16:10.14 | jetscreamer | or * |
| 16:10.20 | greycat | or telnet |
| 16:10.21 | tengulre | OK! |
| 16:10.23 | greycat | or wget, or curl |
| 16:10.27 | Daedalus_ | cusco: The only other thing I can think of is a weak power supply |
| 16:10.29 | greycat | or netcat |
| 16:10.35 | nkuttler | greycat: he won't be able to use google with _that_ |
| 16:10.36 | FieldySnuts | apt: factinfo nobody |
| 16:10.36 | apt | nobody -- last modified 16s ago by FieldySnuts!i=EgGvdA1E@unaffiliated/fieldysnuts. |
| 16:10.39 | FieldySnuts | good. |
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| 16:10.46 | cusco | Daedalus_ a power supply? |
| 16:10.46 | greycat | nkuttler: *he* won't ;-) |
| 16:10.49 | FieldySnuts | anyone wanna teach it to dpkg, feel free (I can't) |
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| 16:11.18 | jeffrin | greycat : so how to make a directory user nobody writable |
| 16:11.19 | SimonRaven | !no, nobody is <reply> $1: nobody is a user account commonly found on systems. It has reduced privs. Some daemons are run in this account. These days, most daemons create their own account, with reduced privs. |
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| 16:11.30 | jetscreamer | hey this is it, correct? http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 16:11.31 | greycat | dpkg, no, nobody is a user account commonly found on systems. It has reduced privs. Some daemons are run in this account. These days, most daemons create their own account, with reduced privs. |
| 16:11.31 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 16:11.52 | greycat | jeffrin: don't be retarded. |
| 16:12.03 | Ravious | Hello everyone, i'm trying to reconfigure my php4 with pdf support.. anyone have any idea on how to do that? |
| 16:12.18 | jetscreamer | oh i thought yo udid tab wrong for a minute... |
| 16:12.23 | FieldySnuts | greycat: thanks |
| 16:12.35 | Lee__ | Ravious: are you sure it's not already? |
| 16:12.47 | nkuttler | Ravious: apt-cache search php pdf |
| 16:12.50 | Daedalus_ | cusco: power supply... the device taht supplies internal power to your system |
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| 16:13.02 | greycat | 12:09 greycat> jeffrin: its purpose is to be the user that does NOT own any files. 12:09 greycat> jeffrin: so if you setuid down to nobody, you can't hurt anything. |
| 16:13.04 | cusco | Daedalus_ what about it? |
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| 16:13.30 | jetscreamer | oh and can i use ftp://security.debian.org instead of http:// |
| 16:13.31 | EdibleText | cusco, Daedalus_ is suggesting that you may have too many devices connected to it. causing problems |
| 16:13.32 | Lee__ | Ravious: try php4-ps. |
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| 16:13.39 | greycat | does anyone know why zophyx_ is +q'ed? 217 - #debian: ban %*!*@pdpc/supporter/student/zophyx [by ballard.freenode.net, 13555 secs ago] |
| 16:13.40 | Ravious | I already have php-fpdf installed |
| 16:13.46 | ADebUser | anyone any idea howot track down missing files - error pasted in #flood |
| 16:13.47 | cusco | oh |
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| 16:13.59 | cusco | when I try to start cfdisk it says: |
| 16:14.00 | cusco | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.00 | cusco | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.03 | Daedalus_ | cusco: If the disk is taking a long time to spin up, it's _possible_ (though unlikely) that your power supply is weak or overloaded and cannot supply the current necessary to spin up the drive in reasonable time |
| 16:14.05 | jeffrin | greycat : i have read that , when start squid says logs directory should be user nobody writable |
| 16:14.07 | EdibleText | cusco, mini 'brown outs' |
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| 16:14.17 | jetscreamer | cusco: |
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| 16:14.29 | jetscreamer | you did cfdisk /dev/hda1 didn't yopu |
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| 16:14.31 | greycat | jeffrin: wherever you read that, it's not correct for DEBIAIN. |
| 16:14.33 | greycat | DEBIAN, even. |
| 16:14.41 | jetscreamer | it's cfdisk /dev/hda |
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| 16:14.45 | greycat | jeffrin: find out what user squid runs as ON YOUR COMPUTER. |
| 16:14.49 | cusco | lol |
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| 16:14.57 | greycat | jeffrin: but I'd expect that the debian package did the right things by default. |
| 16:15.07 | jetscreamer | does that mean i'm right, or i'm a moron |
| 16:15.14 | jeffrin | greycat : i compiled this from source |
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| 16:15.19 | greycat | !pal jeffrin |
| 16:15.28 | greycat | !wayc jeffrin |
| 16:15.29 | dpkg | jeffrin: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 16:15.37 | greycat | !info squid sarge |
| 16:15.42 | Ravious | Lee.. I already have php4-ps installed as well.. |
| 16:15.42 | dpkg | squid: (Internet Object Cache (WWW proxy cache)), section web, is optional. Version: 2.5.9-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 749 kB, Installed size: 2024 kB |
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| 16:15.46 | jetscreamer | no you can't use ftp instead of http for security, fyi |
| 16:15.47 | greycat | 12:15 #squid 18 Squid proxy server | http://www.squid-cache.org | FAQ: |
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| 16:15.54 | jetscreamer | but the link was correct |
| 16:15.54 | greycat | jetscreamer: YAY! |
| 16:15.59 | nkuttler | Ravious: sounds like you want to go to #php |
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| 16:16.06 | jetscreamer | ahm sew smurt |
| 16:16.10 | jeffrin | greycat : it is squid 3.0 pre-release |
| 16:16.16 | greycat | jeffrin: then you should ask #squid about it. |
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| 16:16.33 | Lee__ | Ravious: and ps2pdf doesn't generate PDF files for you? |
| 16:16.34 | ma3x | hello |
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| 16:16.36 | greycat | or you should be smart enough to *be* using a pre-release program |
| 16:16.46 | Lee__ | Ravious: IIRC those are in ghostscript |
| 16:16.47 | ma3x | why i can't play .flac with xine? |
| 16:16.50 | greycat | one expects a certain level of competence from beta-testers |
| 16:16.53 | ma3x | is there some plugin? |
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| 16:17.17 | aaronlin | Is Linux susceptible to spyware? |
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| 16:17.29 | greycat | in theory, yes. |
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| 16:17.36 | nkuttler | ma3x: probably some missing libs, apt-cache search flac |
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| 16:17.39 | justin | ma3x: well for one, xine is primarily a video player, while flac files are audi.... |
| 16:17.44 | aaronlin | Why does the Opera browser advertise that it blocks spyware, if almost no spyware programs are even written for Linux? |
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| 16:17.54 | greycat | aaronlin: because opera runs on windows also |
| 16:17.58 | jetscreamer | ma3x: you need the codec? |
| 16:17.59 | ma3x | justin, im talking about xine engine |
| 16:18.04 | ma3x | jetscreamer, what codec? |
| 16:18.06 | ma3x | whats the name/ |
| 16:18.07 | aaronlin | I see |
| 16:18.10 | jetscreamer | the flac one? |
| 16:18.13 | ADebUser | grr! |
| 16:18.14 | justin | !+depends libxine1 |
| 16:18.14 | jetscreamer | probably flac |
| 16:18.18 | dpkg | libxine1: depends on libasound2 (>> 1.0.9), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libglu1-xorg | libglu1, libmodplug0c2 (>= 1:0.7-4.1), libogg0 (>= 1.1.2), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libspeex1, libtheora0, libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxinerama1, xlibmesa-gl | libgl1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 16:18.25 | FieldySnuts | heh! my boss knows me. tells me to set up two new servers, and NOT to name them mushroom or snake (we already have a badger) |
| 16:18.30 | ma3x | justin, libxine1 is already installed |
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| 16:18.38 | jetscreamer | ma3x: my usual answer: it should be on marillat somewhere |
| 16:18.50 | justin | ma3x: notice how libxine1 does not depend on any flac library |
| 16:18.54 | greycat | FieldySnuts: what's wrong with snake? |
| 16:19.09 | greycat | if you have a badger, then you're using animals... or is it just mammals? |
| 16:19.10 | FieldySnuts | he knows I want to complete the badger mushroom snake trio, that's all |
| 16:19.11 | aaronlin | How does AOL Instant messaging work? Is there a central server involved that processes requests? If so, why is Gaim able to access that server? |
| 16:19.21 | FieldySnuts | we have a lot of machines with animal names, some of them very silly |
| 16:19.26 | aaronlin | Would not AOL prevent other clients from using the server? |
| 16:19.32 | jetscreamer | Package: flac |
| 16:19.32 | jetscreamer | Priority: optional |
| 16:19.35 | Lee__ | aaronlin: yes, and they don't care. |
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| 16:19.37 | justin | ma3x: apt-cache rdepends libflac6 lists a bunch of programs that should play flac files |
| 16:19.37 | greycat | FieldySnuts: so name them "serpent" and "myconid" |
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| 16:19.53 | FieldySnuts | hm, or a german word for snake |
| 16:19.54 | Lee__ | but Google just launched a Jabber network so you have no more excuses left. |
| 16:19.59 | FieldySnuts | ~dachs me |
| 16:20.02 | apt | fieldysnuts: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 16:20.08 | nkuttler | FieldySnuts: schlange |
| 16:20.10 | aaronlin | Lee__: I see. It will take a while for google talk to get popular though |
| 16:20.11 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 16:20.12 | jetscreamer | speaking of gaim |
| 16:20.21 | EdibleText | mmmmm schlange |
| 16:20.23 | greycat | is that where we got the slang term "schlong" for penis? |
| 16:20.26 | nefarius | does krdc use encryption for authentication? |
| 16:20.27 | Lee__ | aaronlin: join now. you will make it one more step closer in it's popularity. |
| 16:20.38 | jetscreamer | a user says she can't access any "chatrooms" with gaim, only private "rooms"... any clues? |
| 16:20.40 | FieldySnuts | or i could be a moron and call it dachs |
| 16:20.49 | FieldySnuts | so we'll have badger and dachs |
| 16:20.52 | aaronlin | Lee__I already joined. |
| 16:20.53 | Lee__ | jetscreamer: does she know what "chatrooms" are? |
| 16:20.59 | Lee__ | aaronlin: cool. |
| 16:21.02 | jetscreamer | greycat: no it came from "it's long" |
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| 16:21.17 | greycat | jetscreamer: I doubt it somehow. |
| 16:21.20 | jetscreamer | Lee__: she's a windows aim abuser, so as far as aim goes, yeah |
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| 16:21.32 | greycat | stupid dict(1) isn't showing me schlong or shlong, thogh |
| 16:21.33 | FieldySnuts | "abuser" was that a diliberate typeo? |
| 16:21.34 | greycat | though* |
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| 16:21.37 | jonkri | what's this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/G2WYUX82.html is exim4 broken or is it my disk? |
| 16:21.52 | kspath | try wiktionary for schlong |
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| 16:22.02 | Lee__ | jetscreamer: than you should probably ask AOL about their chatrooms. |
| 16:22.03 | jetscreamer | FieldySnuts: shoulda been aimabuser i guess |
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| 16:22.25 | jetscreamer | Lee__: ok. don't see me caring enough though :) |
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| 16:22.33 | ma3x | justin, i already have libflac6 installed |
| 16:22.33 | Lee__ | isn't shlong a short long data type? |
| 16:22.33 | honschu | Hi, where is this documented? [CTRL]+S in a xterm |
| 16:22.41 | ma3x | and xine engine won't play .flac |
| 16:22.42 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 16:22.42 | greycat | honschu: XOFF |
| 16:22.44 | ma3x | why? |
| 16:22.47 | greycat | honschu: man stty |
| 16:22.51 | jetscreamer | ma3x: |
| 16:22.51 | honschu | greycat: thx |
| 16:22.56 | jetscreamer | try apt-get install flac |
| 16:23.00 | jetscreamer | weird eh |
| 16:23.00 | ma3x | jetscreamer, you said marillat |
| 16:23.03 | ma3x | but what package from there? |
| 16:23.04 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 16:23.09 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 16:23.13 | justin | ma3x: you are not listening to me, forget it |
| 16:23.14 | ma3x | flac is already the newest version. |
| 16:23.17 | jetscreamer | !badger flac |
| 16:23.17 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 16:23.30 | ma3x | justin, i am listening to you |
| 16:23.32 | jetscreamer | ma3x: do what justin said |
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| 16:23.34 | ma3x | you said it depends on a lot of stuff |
| 16:23.36 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 16:23.44 | tengulre | I have Intel 3C5098-TP0 ethernet card, but it can't auto load driver when boot machine, how to config auto? |
| 16:23.44 | ma3x | so if its already installed that lot of stuff is installed too |
| 16:23.45 | jetscreamer | no he said do rdepends |
| 16:23.47 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 16:23.55 | honschu | greycat: I mean, where are the shortcuts documented for xterm? |
| 16:23.56 | ma3x | i thought that was a typo |
| 16:24.00 | ma3x | what means rdepends? |
| 16:24.23 | jetscreamer | recursive dependencies |
| 16:24.23 | EdibleText | !rdepends |
| 16:24.24 | ADebUser | oh wont some kind soul throw a few tips as to fix my problem? Its been 8 days already - http://rafb.net/paste/results/hpFrIX25.html |
| 16:24.25 | jetscreamer | i guess |
| 16:24.54 | aaronlin | Right now I'm in the terminal, logged in as root. How do I delete a folder in one command if that folder has files in it (I'm not allowed to do rmdir because there are still files in them). |
| 16:24.58 | justin | $ apt-cache|grep rdep |
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| 16:25.04 | TiTAN_pi8_ | anyone that can tell me why i get this error message (i saw it with strace): getsockname: socket operation on non-socket |
| 16:25.07 | justin | yeah, better to guess than actually look |
| 16:25.09 | jetscreamer | apt-cache rdepends libflac6 <--s/he said |
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| 16:25.23 | tengulre | I a have Intel 3C5098-TP0 ethernet card, but it can't auto load driver when boot machine, how to config auto load this modules? |
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| 16:25.31 | justin | !wayttd TiTAN_pi8_ |
| 16:25.31 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, TiTAN_pi8_? |
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| 16:25.47 | error403 | just a quick question - will 'grub-install sd0' do what i think it does? |
| 16:25.59 | justin | error403: wtf is sd0? |
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| 16:26.04 | tengulre | anybody help me? |
| 16:26.05 | TiTAN_pi8_ | justin, i'm trying to run p910nd (give me a sec, ill post a link) |
| 16:26.12 | jetscreamer | wtf are you trying to do ADebUser |
| 16:26.21 | error403 | justin, that would be the MBR of my SATA drive |
| 16:26.21 | ma3x | ok i see those programs |
| 16:26.22 | tengulre | SOS!! |
| 16:26.26 | TiTAN_pi8_ | http://etherboot.sourceforge.net/p910nd/ |
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| 16:26.27 | ADebUser | compile the fritx isdn card driver |
| 16:26.33 | ma3x | but what i need is plugin for xine engine |
| 16:26.38 | error403 | in the same way that hd0 is the MBR of the master IDE hard drive... |
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| 16:26.41 | ma3x | that means im using amarok with xine |
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| 16:26.48 | ma3x | and it wont play .flac for some reason |
| 16:26.51 | jetscreamer | wouldn't it be grub-install sda, or sdb, for mbr? |
| 16:27.00 | ma3x | now there is a xmms-flac plugin |
| 16:27.03 | ma3x | but no xine-flac |
| 16:27.05 | ma3x | ? |
| 16:27.06 | tengulre | HELP!!! |
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| 16:27.15 | tengulre | HELP!!!!! |
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| 16:27.25 | error403 | jetscreamer, well, just wondering, because by default the Debian Installer is installing grub to hd0 ... |
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| 16:27.37 | tengulre | I a have Intel 3C5098-TP0 ethernet card, but it can't auto load driver when boot machine, how to config auto load this modules? |
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| 16:27.47 | jetscreamer | ADebUser: i know nothing, but i 'think' you're supposed to have the source unzipped to /usr/src/modules |
| 16:27.48 | tengulre | I a have Intel 3C509 ethernet card, but it can't auto load driver when boot machine, how to config auto load this modules? |
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| 16:27.58 | nkuttler | tengulre: add it to /etc/modules |
| 16:28.08 | jetscreamer | tengulre: add it to /etc/modules, or just use modconf to load it |
| 16:28.13 | EdibleText | tengulre, 'modconf'; load the module |
| 16:28.18 | tengulre | hi,nkuttler! |
| 16:28.23 | tengulre | nice to meet u! |
| 16:28.24 | jetscreamer | modconf will load and write |
| 16:28.31 | tengulre | modconf |
| 16:28.33 | ADebUser | jetsreamer - will give it a go |
| 16:28.34 | tengulre | ? |
| 16:28.42 | EdibleText | tengulre, its a command |
| 16:28.45 | nkuttler | tengulre: or google "automatically load module at boot linux" |
| 16:28.45 | jetscreamer | tengulre: lately you have to apt-get install modconf |
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| 16:28.51 | tengulre | sorry! <ALT>+<F2> |
| 16:28.55 | jetscreamer | it used to be part of base |
| 16:28.58 | justin | ma3x: xine in debian is not built with flac support |
| 16:28.58 | EdibleText | tengulre, you may have to apt-get install modconf |
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| 16:29.15 | ma3x | justin, so should i rebuild it or what? |
| 16:29.20 | ma3x | isn't there just some plugin for it? |
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| 16:29.52 | tengulre | EdibleText,nkuttler,jetscreamer, THANKS!! |
| 16:29.59 | nkuttler | ma3x: apt-cache search flac player, just don't use xine |
| 16:30.34 | ma3x | nkuttler, thats too bad |
| 16:30.44 | ma3x | that xine has no flac support |
| 16:31.03 | justin | ma3x: actually, it looks like it does |
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| 16:31.09 | justin | ma3x: do you have /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_flac.so ? |
| 16:31.15 | xhypno | Ok, I need some help. I have an HP dv1240us that I am trying to install debian on. I have tried Sarge, etch, and sid with the same result. On the reboot after the menu driven installer, I get an S36discover segmentation fault and I cannot figure out why. |
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| 16:31.27 | tengulre | I have a another problem! how to load video driver, i want to use USB-camera! |
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| 16:31.39 | ma3x | justin, i do have that file |
| 16:31.41 | ma3x | what about it? |
| 16:31.55 | jetscreamer | ADebUser: http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html#MAKE-MODULES |
| 16:32.03 | justin | ma3x: that is the flac plugin you've been whining about |
| 16:32.11 | nkuttler | tengulre: your 'video driver' probably is a kernel module, modprobe it |
| 16:32.24 | xhypno | Here is a detailed explanation of the problem, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356951 |
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| 16:32.31 | ADebUser | jetscreamer - /usr/src/modules wasnt there so created untared into it - smae error as b4 |
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| 16:32.59 | ma3x | justin, how do i enable it? |
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| 16:33.02 | tengulre | nkuttler,yeah! but I m stupid! dont konw use modprobe!!:( |
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| 16:33.10 | jetscreamer | ADebUser: try that link: http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html#MAKE-MODULES |
| 16:33.11 | nkuttler | tengulre: man modprobe |
| 16:33.12 | jetscreamer | hth |
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| 16:33.17 | aginghipster | hey bats |
| 16:33.18 | xhypno | modprobe <module> |
| 16:33.20 | justin | ma3x: install libflac6 |
| 16:33.29 | ma3x | justin, but its already installed |
| 16:33.34 | aginghipster | I can't get mplayer to play in fullscreen |
| 16:33.45 | jetscreamer | FUUUCK i need to reboot into windows but i doan wanna |
| 16:33.47 | aginghipster | I'm using the marillat testing packages for mplayer |
| 16:33.59 | EdibleText | aginghipster, did you hit the 'f' key? |
| 16:33.59 | stew | aginghipster: what have you tried? |
| 16:34.05 | justin | ma3x: then you already have flac support |
| 16:34.16 | lapo | aginghipster, mplayer -vo xv (or -vo sdl) |
| 16:34.17 | xhypno | Anyone have a suggestion for my Laptop problem?? |
| 16:34.32 | aginghipster | EdibleText: yes of course. The screen goes full, but the movie is still small |
| 16:34.32 | ma3x | justin, nope |
| 16:34.42 | justin | ma3x: prove it |
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| 16:34.59 | lakcaj | aginghipster, mplayer -vo xv movie.avi |
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| 16:35.11 | lakcaj | lapo, sorry, didn't notice you said that already |
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| 16:35.38 | ma3x | justin, i just play the file in amarok with the xine-engine and it doesnt play |
| 16:35.38 | stew | aginghipster: pass it -zoom -fs on the command line |
| 16:35.40 | xhypno | Anyone using a new centrino laptop?? |
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| 16:35.45 | justin | ma3x: "doesn't play"? |
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| 16:35.57 | justin | ma3x: play it with xine, it will give you log output |
| 16:35.58 | ma3x | justin, it skips to the next |
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| 16:36.07 | Zap-W | what vpn server works with windows vpn client? |
| 16:36.08 | syntaxx | where do i need to check if i have problem in module when boot up? it says fatal error |
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| 16:36.27 | justin | Zap-W: apt-cache search windows vpn |
| 16:36.29 | morbius`wk | is there a way to pervent shfs mounts from timing out? |
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| 16:36.36 | wathek | hello all |
| 16:36.37 | syntaxx | modprobe: hw_random fatal error etc |
| 16:36.38 | aginghipster | stew: thanks -zoom worked |
| 16:36.45 | wathek | I've a prob when I try to compile a source |
| 16:36.59 | wathek | I get this error when I run ./configure |
| 16:37.01 | aginghipster | next time I'll read the args better |
| 16:37.01 | wathek | checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no |
| 16:37.01 | wathek | configure: error: cannot run /bin/sh ./config.sub |
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| 16:37.25 | lakcaj | !tell syntaxx about blacklist |
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| 16:38.01 | xhypno | Here is a detailed explanation of the problem, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356951, someone please take a look. |
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| 16:39.18 | ma3x | justin, |
| 16:39.51 | ma3x | xine: input plugin cannot open MRL (/media/dvd/hdc) |
| 16:39.57 | ma3x | i dont understand why is it looking there/ |
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| 16:40.51 | lakcaj | xhypno, you're using the netinstall CD to install from? |
| 16:41.02 | xhypno | I have tried both. |
| 16:41.10 | xhypno | netinstall and std |
| 16:41.13 | bwlang | anybody know how to get vsftpd to set files 660 on an incoming dir (it sets them 600 now) |
| 16:41.22 | lakcaj | xhypno, I've installed sarge on my thinkpad R40 which has a pentium M and have never had a problem. |
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| 16:41.34 | ma3x | justin, are you there? |
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| 16:41.38 | wathek | some one would help me please |
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| 16:42.01 | lakcaj | wathek, what are you trying to compile? |
| 16:42.06 | xhypno | lakcaj, hmmm. Yeah, it is driving me nuts. Ubuntu and Knoppix work fine. But I prefer to stay with debian |
| 16:42.20 | wathek | lakcaj, detect it's an application to detect hardware |
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| 16:42.43 | lakcaj | xhypno, I don't know about your problem, but like I said, it's worked fine on my pentium M <shrug> |
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| 16:43.04 | xhypno | lakcaj, time for more tinkering. |
| 16:43.07 | lakcaj | wathek, link? I'll try to compile here |
| 16:43.12 | lakcaj | xhypno, good luck |
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| 16:43.25 | wathek | lakcaj, ?? |
| 16:43.27 | xhypno | lakcaj, thanks |
| 16:43.44 | xhypno | lakcaj, I will have to make a walkthrough once I figure it out. |
| 16:43.49 | chealer | xhypno: which kernel is that? |
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| 16:44.10 | lakcaj | wathek, provide a link to the software, since googling for "linux detect" will likely not get me to the application |
| 16:44.11 | ma3x | justin, i found the error |
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| 16:44.19 | sgeigerbot | Why won't this cronjob work? * * * * * echo '/usr/bin/python /home/sgeiger/test2.py' | at now + $[ $RANDOM % 5 ] minutes |
| 16:44.20 | justin | ma3x: oh? |
| 16:44.33 | lakcaj | xhypno, you are entering "linux26" at the first prompt? |
| 16:44.34 | ma3x | skipping unreadable plugin directory: /home/ma3x/.xine/plugins |
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| 16:44.38 | ma3x | what should i do? |
| 16:44.49 | greycat | sgeigerbot: what the hell are you trying to do? |
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| 16:44.58 | justin | ma3x: ignore it |
| 16:44.59 | mypapit | sgeigerbot, where did you learn to write that kind of crontab? |
| 16:45.03 | sgeigerbot | greycat: I want to run some job at a seemingly random time. |
| 16:45.07 | ma3x | justin, but why won't it play the flac file? |
| 16:45.08 | greycat | and why are you using the deprecated $[ ] syntax for math? |
| 16:45.11 | wathek | lakcaj, ftp://194.143.150.149/detect-1.1.tar.bz2 |
| 16:45.17 | ma3x | it finds all plugins, everything okay, but doesnt play |
| 16:45.23 | tengulre | hi,all! I m coming too! :) |
| 16:45.25 | ma3x | please justin help |
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| 16:45.37 | tengulre | it's 00:20:23 |
| 16:45.38 | sgeigerbot | greycat: The question, though, is about cron...not about what I'm trying to do. I don't see why cron wouldn't run that. |
| 16:45.49 | tengulre | ZZZZzzzzz.... |
| 16:45.54 | greycat | sgeigerbot: well for starters, crontab reads the % as a newline unless you \% it |
| 16:46.02 | SimonRaven | 'cause it's bitchin' about the format too |
| 16:46.11 | greycat | sgeigerbot: for finishers, does cron use bash or sh to parse the commands? you're using non-Bourne features. |
| 16:46.13 | mypapit | sgeigerbot, cron job is design to be exact.. not random |
| 16:46.15 | sgeigerbot | greycat: good to know. |
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| 16:46.22 | iXiiON2 | i need help i want to install freeNX on debian and dont know how and where to get it the sources i found are offline |
| 16:46.24 | SimonRaven | tengulre: there's something called a bed to do that |
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| 16:46.34 | jatos | hi |
| 16:46.35 | justin | sgeigerbot: well, I'd make a /usr/local/bin/randdelay script that takes max minutes and maybe a program to run as it's arguments |
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| 16:46.53 | justin | sgeigerbot: that way you avoid putting logic in the crontab file which |
| 16:46.54 | Fionn | hello all |
| 16:46.56 | justin | sgeigerbot: .. is bad :-) |
| 16:47.02 | guiss | is there any official postgresql-8.0 package for the stable release? |
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| 16:47.19 | ma3x | damn |
| 16:47.22 | ma3x | why nobody helps |
| 16:47.28 | jatos | anyone know how anything about data recovery of data on reisferFS partitions that doesn\t involve reiserfsck |
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| 16:47.44 | sgeigerbot | justin: yeah, I know. I would normally do that...but I was just being stubborn, trying to figure out what that didn't work. |
| 16:47.46 | SimonRaven | reiserfuck |
| 16:47.46 | sgeigerbot | Thanks guys. |
| 16:47.47 | Fionn | I am missing a file "x11.pc" (probably from some x11 dev package). I had it two weeks ago and now I cnat find it any more; not even with apt-file! Does anyone her have an idea wher it can be obtained? |
| 16:47.49 | wathek | lakcaj, I've solved my prob |
| 16:47.50 | wathek | :d |
| 16:47.56 | bozoguy | hi, i just reinstalled my windows and it erased grub on mbr , how do i recover it? |
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| 16:48.16 | SimonRaven | grun doesn't sit on the mbr |
| 16:48.17 | lakcaj | wathek, the config.sub file that the configure script is trying to run is actually a symlink pointing to /usr/share/libtool/config.sub |
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| 16:48.19 | Deep6 | guys can someone recommend whether this will break something? |
| 16:48.21 | Deep6 | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 16:48.21 | Deep6 | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
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| 16:48.39 | stew | guiss: no, testing and unstable only |
| 16:48.41 | greycat | Deep6: you can survive without e2fsprogs until the next reboot |
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| 16:49.06 | SimonRaven | grub* |
| 16:49.17 | wathek | lakcaj, have you succeed to compile the source ? |
| 16:49.21 | guiss | stew, i must keep the stable tree but installing postgres with the "-t unstable" flag tries to get libc, no solution there? |
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| 16:49.38 | SimonRaven | guiss: build a backport |
| 16:49.46 | stew | guiss: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 16:50.29 | Mindship-01 | I've got LC_NUMERIC="nl_NL@euro". I want to change a file that make's the decimal-sign "," (which should be the default setting: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=50282) which file should I modify? (and: how?) |
| 16:50.35 | ma3x | why wont xine play flac? |
| 16:50.41 | guiss | SimonRaven, i'm not very used to debian, a is there a howto on how to build a backport or something? |
| 16:50.49 | greycat | guiss: /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:50.52 | guiss | stew, didn't quite get all that you put there |
| 16:50.56 | Deep6 | greycat, how do I activate said option? /etc/apt/options or something of that nature? |
| 16:51.11 | greycat | Deep6: apt-get -o blah blah |
| 16:51.13 | stew | !tell guiss -about backports |
| 16:51.18 | stew | !tell guiss -about simple sid backport |
| 16:51.20 | Deep6 | gracious amigo |
| 16:51.39 | SimonRaven | gracias |
| 16:51.40 | sgeigerbot | bozoguy: to restore the mbr, I recommend you boot from one of those live linux CDs and restore it. Then do something like this: sudo su; mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 /mnt; chroot /mnt/; ...and then for lilo: vi /etc/lilo; /sbin/lilo; umount /mnt; reboot ...or for grub: update-grub (I think) |
| 16:51.45 | greycat | SimonRaven: de nada |
| 16:51.52 | ma3x | !tell stew about snow |
| 16:51.53 | lakcaj | wathek, no... you have to get that file that the symlink is looking for from somewhere |
| 16:52.01 | stew | ma3x: why? |
| 16:52.01 | SimonRaven | gracious amigo =) |
| 16:52.06 | greycat | sgeigerbot: YM /etc/lilo.conf |
| 16:52.10 | guiss | thanks a lot guys |
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| 16:52.16 | ma3x | stew, because :p |
| 16:52.16 | debugger | hello |
| 16:52.21 | ma3x | just kiddin |
| 16:52.27 | xhypno | So anyone else using a centrino based laptop |
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| 16:52.31 | sgeigerbot | greycat: thanks |
| 16:52.39 | wathek | lakcaj, I've an other prob |
| 16:52.39 | Fionn | xhypno: yes |
| 16:52.51 | SimonRaven | w00t, 2.6.13 built |
| 16:52.56 | chealer | !tell xhypno about anyone |
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| 16:53.04 | wathek | lakcaj, I've a prob with make now |
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| 16:53.14 | wathek | I get this error make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 |
| 16:53.21 | Fionn | please all of you be so kind an tell me if "locate x11.pc | grep pc$" does find anything on your system? |
| 16:53.31 | greycat | !poll |
| 16:53.31 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 16:53.33 | rking | wathek: there should be useful info above that |
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| 16:54.03 | wathek | ok I'll see it later |
| 16:54.04 | cahoot | Mindship-01: I don't know how wise it would be to tinker with this but /usr/share/i18n/locales/nl_NL seems where it's set |
| 16:54.15 | SimonRaven | Fionn: i have no such file, and i have x dev packages installed |
| 16:54.17 | Mindship-01 | ok! |
| 16:54.23 | Mindship-01 | thanks cahoot! |
| 16:54.25 | xhypno | Fionn, what type of laptop? |
| 16:54.31 | Fionn | xhypno: IBM T42p |
| 16:54.38 | greycat | Fionn: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:54.50 | cahoot | Mindship-01: no responsibility taken for the consequences :) |
| 16:54.51 | xhypno | Fionn, did you have any install problems. |
| 16:54.58 | shingouz | xhypno: just tell us what problem you have, stop polling |
| 16:55.06 | Mindship-01 | :) |
| 16:55.14 | debugger | how can I known which package installed a particular file? I've tried to use apt-file search file, but nothing happened. |
| 16:55.24 | stew | debugger: dpkg -S file |
| 16:55.31 | xhypno | The problem is I said what my problem is and only lakcaj responded, and he doesn't know a solution |
| 16:55.35 | xhypno | Here is a detailed explanation of the problem, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356951, someone please take a look. |
| 16:55.36 | error403 | Is there any particular reason i get 'Encrypted DVD support unavailable' when trying to play a DVD under Debian? (using Xine-UI) |
| 16:55.52 | debugger | stew, ah, nice! thx. |
| 16:56.10 | lakcaj | Fionn, nothing here |
| 16:56.12 | SimonRaven | not bad for a busy box: fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=5:4 --append-to-version=-pylon binary-arch 5016.80s user 599.42s system 70% cpu 2:13:04.20 total |
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| 16:56.39 | shingouz | xhypno: so don't use discover |
| 16:56.44 | Fionn | xhypno: no big ones. thinkwiki.org has everything you need to know. |
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| 16:57.00 | shingouz | !tell xhypno about laptop |
| 16:57.25 | Fionn | xhypno: basically, everything works out of the box, except 3D if you have one of the high end GFX cards |
| 16:57.26 | xhypno | There is no way for me not to use discover, it is install by default, and I cannot boot into the system because of this error |
| 16:57.46 | shingouz | xhypno: do not install discover |
| 16:57.49 | chealer | xhypno: did you say which kernel you used? |
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| 16:58.23 | xhypno | I used 2.6, and when the menu driven installer installs the base packages, it install discover automatically |
| 16:58.26 | Caelum | xhypno: boot into single or init=/bin/sh |
| 16:58.30 | beardy | error403: Yes, you need software that has patent issues / other issues to play encrypted DVD:s. /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 16:58.58 | beardy | error403: (and because they have such issues, they are not included in debian) |
| 16:59.01 | Fionn | xhypno: I'd try to "dpkg -P discover" if I were you. |
| 16:59.09 | alexweblinux | Hello, guys! |
| 16:59.09 | error403 | so no matter what happens, linux users ARE getting owned by the corporate system..... |
| 16:59.16 | error403 | well, thanks anyway beardy |
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| 16:59.20 | beardy | error403: No? |
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| 16:59.30 | xhypno | But I cannot boot into the system.. this error happens right after the installer reboots the system |
| 16:59.37 | alexweblinux | I tried to install debian first time and got some problems |
| 16:59.52 | shingouz | xhypno: remove discover is the easiest thing to do. personally i would not even dream of running discover on anything i own |
| 16:59.54 | Caelum | xhypno: at LILO press shift and type linux init=/bin/sh |
| 17:00.01 | error403 | beardy, i mean the fact that users of free software have legal issues with playing DVD's they have bought, because of fucking patents... |
| 17:00.05 | greycat | Caelum: no lilo on a default sarge install. |
| 17:00.08 | Caelum | xhypno: or in grub, edit the boot line |
| 17:00.17 | xhypno | give me a min I will try to go to single user mode |
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| 17:00.22 | alexweblinux | I have Debian GNU/Linux 20040612 "Sid" - fsn.hu unofficial i386 |
| 17:00.22 | chealer | xhypno: what happens if you use 2.4? |
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| 17:00.31 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 17:00.31 | dpkg | <nvz> Pretty much lost interest in school after the 3rd of 4th year when I seen that they couldnt teach me anything anymore, and I began my own quest of knowlage |
| 17:00.31 | xhypno | chealer, same thing |
| 17:00.32 | beardy | error403: It's a matter of debian's freeness and software guidelines. You just have to make that choice for yourself, if you want to install and use software which may have patent issues or is considered illegal in some places. |
| 17:00.33 | Caelum | xhypno: single user mode will run discover, you need init=/bin/sh |
| 17:00.42 | Fionn | xhypno: boot the machine from a knoppix CD. Mount the HD, use chroot and then dpkg -P. |
| 17:00.43 | xhypno | ok, let me try that |
| 17:00.47 | alexweblinux | can anyone help me to solve my problems with installation process |
| 17:00.49 | sgeigerbot | justin: thanks for the randdelay idea. I used that. That's a good idea. |
| 17:00.51 | cahoot | ricky_clarkson: thatwas mean |
| 17:00.56 | xhypno | that is doable. |
| 17:00.59 | beardy | error403: Ah, yeah, they/we do. |
| 17:01.01 | shingouz | alexweblinux: yes. do not install sid |
| 17:01.01 | Caelum | xhypno: after that, mount -o rw,remount / |
| 17:01.04 | ricky_clarkson | cahoot: I didn't add it. |
| 17:01.04 | sgeigerbot | justin: fyi: here's my implementation: echo "$*" | at now + $[ $RANDOM % 333 ] minutes |
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| 17:01.16 | alexweblinux | Why? |
| 17:01.17 | cahoot | ricky_clarkson: meanish then |
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| 17:01.25 | alexweblinux | I can't get anothe version |
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| 17:01.28 | shingouz | alexweblinux: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 17:01.40 | shingouz | alexweblinux: and why is that then? |
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| 17:01.45 | xhypno | the system is rebooting |
| 17:01.46 | beardy | error403: So we jsut have to fsck them back, if you feel like it.. :) |
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| 17:02.04 | error403 | haha, sure thing beardy |
| 17:02.10 | rabies | my uni has had issues w/ personal routers giving "bad packets" (?) and shutting down the network, any ideas what would cause this? |
| 17:02.12 | Caelum | sgeigerbot: is $[ ] the same as $(( )) ? |
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| 17:02.20 | greycat | Caelum: it's deprecated |
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| 17:02.34 | greycat | Caelum: it's in the bash man page, but I had to look it up... (not today, but a while back) |
| 17:02.35 | error403 | the only thing this patent shit achieves is making independance from corporate overlords illegal... |
| 17:02.37 | sgeigerbot | greycat: $[] is? |
| 17:02.40 | greycat | sgeigerbot: yes. |
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| 17:02.43 | Caelum | greycat: ahh cool |
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| 17:03.00 | greycat | sgeigerbot: wooledge.org/mywiki/ArithmeticExpression |
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| 17:03.14 | asuffield | rabies: sounds like a load of bullshit to me. I diagnose support techs who couldn't fix the problem and thusly blamed somebody else |
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| 17:03.46 | rabies | asuffield: they banned personal routers because of it supposedly |
| 17:04.07 | asuffield | rabies: then it's probably an excuse somebody concocted in order to control the way people use the network |
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| 17:04.16 | xhypno | ok, I removed discover, keeping my fingers crossed. |
| 17:04.18 | alexweblinux | shingouz: so can I install my distrib? |
| 17:04.44 | shingouz | xhypno: i think your usb and sound settings are totally wrong, discover has fucked up somehow |
| 17:05.07 | error403 | beardy, thanks a bunch man, thats my major linux problem sorted... |
| 17:05.18 | error403 | DVD shit was the only thing stopping a full switch... |
| 17:05.19 | error403 | :D |
| 17:05.21 | rabies | asuffield: seems a bit over the top |
| 17:05.30 | shingouz | alexweblinux: are you nuts? you are installing your first (?) linux and you go for the most unstable version available? |
| 17:05.42 | xhypno | shingouz, that is what I have been thinking, but I haven't been able to find a solution |
| 17:05.45 | shingouz | !tell alexweblinux about d-i |
| 17:05.46 | beardy | error403: No problem. Have a look at mplayer (also get:able from marillat) if you don't like xine. |
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| 17:06.09 | shingouz | xhypno: remove discover, blacklist the usb and sound before rebooting for the first time |
| 17:06.14 | asuffield | rabies: it's a university. political fights for control is what they do. pseudo-technical excuses are common weaponry in such battles, because they're hard to argue against |
| 17:06.23 | xhypno | shingouz, let me try that |
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| 17:07.03 | sgeigerbot | greycat: have you heard about jxta? |
| 17:07.15 | shingouz | xhypno: once you get the system to boot to a real running system you can hack the proper settings in place. right now the main thing is to get the first boot |
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| 17:07.26 | asuffield | rabies: the 'rule' was almost certainly invented in order to break something that somebody else was doing, as part of an empire building exercise. my guess would be that somebody set up their own network independent from the main one, which threatened the power base and budget of the network team |
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| 17:07.48 | xhypno | !tell xhypno about blacklist |
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| 17:08.06 | shingouz | xhypno: you can also /msg dpkg... ;) |
| 17:08.08 | edison | Help i look for a domain name .com where is the best place to register ? |
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| 17:08.18 | gentooCreed | hi |
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| 17:08.33 | Ronin | edison: google doesnt return anything fo ryou? |
| 17:08.33 | greycat | !jxta |
| 17:08.36 | gentooCreed | is ubuntu debian? |
| 17:08.37 | beardy | edison: google register domain? |
| 17:08.39 | greycat | sgeigerbot: I guess not. |
| 17:08.47 | shingouz | gentooCreed: is gentoo redhat? |
| 17:08.48 | greycat | gentooCreed: no |
| 17:08.55 | Ronin | gentooCreed: no its based on but definatly not debian |
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| 17:08.59 | edison | Ronin, to mutch result :! |
| 17:09.11 | rabies | asuffield: you always think that way? |
| 17:09.15 | Ronin | edison: then pick one :) |
| 17:09.17 | rabies | asuffield: or is this from experience? |
| 17:09.23 | greycat | ubuntu is to Debian as "Starship Troopers" the movie is to _Starship_Troopers_ the book. |
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| 17:09.28 | rabies | asuffield: this isnt a BOFH comic |
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| 17:09.38 | edison | Any one have a domain ? |
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| 17:09.40 | gentooCreed | ok... I've installed Debian on a lappy but it was an old CD... now I wonder wether I should reinstall it with the new release |
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| 17:09.43 | Ronin | as in same title but no where close greycat |
| 17:09.43 | shingouz | !greycat++ |
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| 17:09.51 | beardy | !fgi edison |
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| 17:10.08 | shingouz | gentooCreed: do you have networking on the thing? |
| 17:10.09 | gentooCreed | I should also mentiong that Debian did the Dual-Boot with windows flawlessly... I am impressed... |
| 17:10.11 | asuffield | rabies: satire mirrors reality. large corporations really are like that, it's the same as dilbert. but universities are the worst, they don't even have a pretense of a common goal |
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| 17:10.23 | xhypno | dpkg is always my friend ;) |
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| 17:10.26 | gentooCreed | shingouz: nope, I think I would have to use wireless |
| 17:10.29 | greycat | !love xhypno |
| 17:10.34 | gentooCreed | which I did before on another lappy |
| 17:10.43 | gentooCreed | I jus wonder whether I should install the new release |
| 17:10.47 | stew | gentooCreed: there is no reason to reinstall |
| 17:10.55 | xhypno | lol |
| 17:10.55 | stew | gentooCreed: you can upgrade an existing install |
| 17:10.57 | shingouz | gentooCreed: so you have networking there. excellent. apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
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| 17:11.10 | {MSX} | hi, what is the package that make you choose between xorg and xfree86 ? |
| 17:11.20 | asuffield | rabies: your average university is a battlefield between the different faculties, for money and prestige. stuff like "Who is managing our computer resources?" is a common point of contention - everybody wants to be top of the priority list for access, upgrades, and response time |
| 17:11.23 | greycat | {MSX}: xserver-xorg |
| 17:11.23 | xhypno | Ok, I blacklisted the usb and sound modules, then reboot, crossing fingers |
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| 17:11.28 | BrightLight | hello |
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| 17:11.36 | rabies | asuffield: ugh |
| 17:11.41 | gentooCreed | shingouz: ok... the install is Minimal, didn't wanna apt-get from the CD, odd since it installed the whole thing off the same CD |
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| 17:11.48 | BrightLight | which kernel version does sarge have by default ? |
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| 17:11.56 | greycat | BrightLight: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 17:11.56 | rabies | BrightLight: 2.6.8 i think |
| 17:11.57 | xhypno | some how it still loaded i810 audio and usbcore even after being blacklisted. |
| 17:11.58 | nerdy2 | not to mention the people who actually run the computer services really suck at it |
| 17:12.01 | {MSX} | thanks |
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| 17:12.17 | sgeigerbot | !+jxta |
| 17:12.21 | xhypno | but now it froze at setting up general console fonts |
| 17:12.22 | shingouz | gentooCreed: just set up the networking, run apt-setup and do the update/upgrade thingie and you are set |
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| 17:12.39 | BrightLight | greycat: Can i choose 2.6.8 from the install CD of Sarge ? |
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| 17:12.43 | greycat | BrightLight: yes. |
| 17:12.50 | BrightLight | cool |
| 17:13.01 | gentooCreed | shingouz: by the way... is Xorg officially on Debian apt-get now? |
| 17:13.11 | rabies | gentooCreed: dont think so |
| 17:13.13 | greycat | gentooCreed: in unstable, yes |
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| 17:13.26 | rabies | gentooCreed: dont use unstable... |
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| 17:13.27 | lakcaj | wathek, still here? |
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| 17:13.34 | rabies | well i suppose it is the closest to gentoo |
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| 17:13.35 | lakcaj | wathek|awy, still here? |
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| 17:13.38 | shingouz | gentooCreed: and no, you do not want to install unstable |
| 17:13.41 | Ravious | anyone know if there are any debian packages for php4 to install PDF support? |
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| 17:14.00 | gentooCreed | excellent |
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| 17:14.25 | stew | Ravious: apt-cache search php pdf |
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| 17:14.51 | schurro | hi folks |
| 17:15.12 | Ravious | I did that.. it brought back php4-fpdf which does noting lol |
| 17:15.27 | rabies | what feature is lilo talking about? |
| 17:15.37 | schurro | is there a # for package tracking? |
| 17:15.48 | rabies | oh, nvm |
| 17:15.52 | rabies | missed the 1st one |
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| 17:16.27 | sgeigerbot | !jxta is http://www.jxta.org |
| 17:16.27 | dpkg | sgeigerbot: okay |
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| 17:16.33 | stew | Ravious: what do you mean it does noting? |
| 17:17.13 | xhypno | ok, I remove the modules from /etc/modules, /etc/modeprobe.d/aliases, and added skips in /etc/hotplug/blacklist. But it still locks. |
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| 17:17.29 | Ravious | I installed the package, but it does not show up on the php info page, and my script still says that php4 does not have pdf support. |
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| 17:17.48 | stew | !jxta is also a java library from sun that for creating peer to peer networks. |
| 17:17.48 | werw | Any hints where to find awstats results? |
| 17:17.49 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 17:18.26 | stew | Ravious: read /usr/share/doc/php-fpdf/* |
| 17:18.30 | greycat | stew: oh, yeah, I'd trust *that*. |
| 17:18.34 | werw | !awstats |
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| 17:18.38 | greycat | sun would *never* turn my IP address over to the feds. |
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| 17:20.23 | stew | greycat: its acutally a cool project, but a bit overly complex to get working. i actually haven't seen anything illegal being run on top of jxta, most of the people that are developing on it are doing stuff for small mobile devices |
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| 17:20.50 | greycat | ... because java runs so well in embedded devices with limited memory and tiny CPUs. |
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| 17:21.09 | ricky_clarkson | Java runs on >1.5 billion phones, apparently. |
| 17:21.10 | sgeigerbot | stew: no, jxta is language independent. You should rewrite the factoid to explain that. |
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| 17:21.21 | voltz | Hi. Is there any information on what's wrong with firefox and when it will be fixed in stable? It's practically unusable. |
| 17:21.21 | greycat | did you know that if you set ulimit -v 700000 that "make-jpkg *1.5*" will fail? |
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| 17:21.31 | greycat | 700 MB of virtual memory isn't enough. |
| 17:21.41 | cbr | voltz: what's wrong with it? |
| 17:21.42 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Was that your issue that day then? |
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| 17:21.47 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: yup |
| 17:21.48 | chealer | voltz: the BTS |
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| 17:21.58 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: my normal login has a ulimit -v of 300000 |
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| 17:22.08 | beardy | voltz: Nothing will happen to it in stable, unless a security problem is discovered. |
| 17:22.15 | greycat | you need 800000 to build the classes.jsa file |
| 17:22.19 | sgeigerbot | stew: Using JXTA for a VPN is the most exciting application I have seen. There is a commercial implementation of it already. |
| 17:22.23 | voltz | beardy: it was a security update that broke it for me. |
| 17:22.36 | cbr | i hate that the devs chanced the "I'm Feeling Lucky" feature in unstable |
| 17:22.37 | chealer | beardy: not necessarily. RC bugs can be fixed in stable |
| 17:22.44 | beardy | chealer: Ok. |
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| 17:23.01 | gentooCreed | something is wrong with the Gentoo channel |
| 17:23.13 | gentooCreed | they said was the same with Debian but everything seems ok here |
| 17:23.13 | DoppelGanger | gentooCreed: who cares |
| 17:23.17 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: and sun's shell script throws away both stdout and stderr from the java command that builds the .jsa file so you can't tell if it blows up |
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| 17:23.26 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: the file just *isn't there* when it comes time to bundle it up |
| 17:23.32 | beardy | voltz: Have you checked if more people have the same problem? |
| 17:23.35 | lakcaj | voltz, comment out the security line in your sources.list file, remove mozilla-firefox, apt-get update, re-install mozilla-firefox, and then "hold" the firefox package. Uncomment the security line. |
| 17:23.37 | r3v | gentooCreed: you expect gentoo anything to work right??? I don't |
| 17:23.40 | lakcaj | !tell voltz about hold |
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| 17:23.57 | lakcaj | beardy, I do, I can't use mozilla-firefox the way it is in stable |
| 17:24.06 | gentooCreed | beardy: yeah they put us on a #gentoo-unregistered room... like a concentration camp |
| 17:24.09 | lakcaj | beardy, it crashes constantly |
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| 17:24.20 | beardy | gentooCreed: What? |
| 17:24.22 | greycat | gentooCreed: we have #debian-overflow too. |
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| 17:24.31 | greycat | gentooCreed: but we don't *require* you to be registered. |
| 17:24.36 | cbr | is there any point in keeping the security line in sources.list when using sid? |
| 17:24.41 | greycat | cbr: not much. |
| 17:24.47 | cbr | ok |
| 17:24.58 | cbr | experimental is pretty cool too ;) |
| 17:25.12 | gentooCreed | :'-( |
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| 17:25.39 | beardy | voltz: What lakcaj told you is probably a good idea then. |
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| 17:25.49 | evilbulgarian | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.13.tar.bz2 |
| 17:25.57 | evilbulgarian | whoops |
| 17:25.58 | js_xir | are there pkg's for pdflib anywhere? |
| 17:25.58 | voltz | A number of bug reports have been submitted. So go back to the original version. |
| 17:26.35 | beardy | !find pdflib sarge |
| 17:26.36 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'pdflib' (2): libpdflib804 ;; libpdflib804-dev. |
| 17:27.06 | beardy | js_xir: ^^ |
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| 17:27.49 | js_xir | i'm not a physic guy ;)) just need to create pdf-files out of PHP ... |
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| 17:28.00 | voltz | Ok, back to work. Thanks for the input. |
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| 17:29.53 | stew | js_xir: use php-fpdf |
| 17:30.08 | gentooCreed | the other day I was trying to download a ISO image and I notice it was very slow, would that be due to the fact the Debian has a new release and many people are downloading it at the same time? |
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| 17:30.42 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 17:30.42 | dpkg | VAGUENESS CAUSES REALLY BAD THINGS! |
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| 17:31.15 | sgeigerbot | dpkg: Be specific. |
| 17:31.46 | sgeigerbot | gentooCreed: Were you using bittorrent? |
| 17:31.54 | beardy | !caps |
| 17:31.54 | dpkg | Do not type whole lines/nicks in caps. It's bloody annoying and will make people not want to answer you. |
| 17:31.58 | beardy | ;) |
| 17:32.15 | sgeigerbot | !srt beardy |
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| 17:33.14 | lakcaj | What's the url to all of the dpkg bot's keywords and messages? |
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| 17:33.28 | gentooCreed | sgeigerbot: no, downloading the entire ISO from http, and I tried several sites |
| 17:33.41 | greycat | !your factoids |
| 17:33.41 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
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| 17:33.50 | lakcaj | greycat, thanks |
| 17:34.14 | greycat | if he says it's "very slow" because he only got 100 kB/s I'll slap him. |
| 17:34.16 | beardy | !abuse sgeigerbot |
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| 17:35.19 | abrotman | hey .. there seem to be some bots here |
| 17:35.27 | greycat | and...? |
| 17:35.29 | Ronin | just a couple abrotman just a couple |
| 17:35.30 | karsten | abrotman: Fancy that... |
| 17:35.40 | jum | Hi what is the command to know which provider host a website? like who host pascal.com |
| 17:35.47 | abrotman | whois ? |
| 17:35.52 | karsten | jum: whois |
| 17:35.55 | beardy | jum: whois |
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| 17:36.06 | jum | thanks |
| 17:36.06 | karsten | jum: ... or http://www.netcraft.com/ |
| 17:36.12 | gentooCreed | abrotman: I hoppe Debian doesn't turn on that so called "NEW FEATURE" of forcing people to register |
| 17:36.25 | karsten | !ops gentooCreed trolling |
| 17:36.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: gentooCreed trolling |
| 17:36.29 | greycat | gentooCreed: it was contemplated during the spambot attacks. |
| 17:36.35 | karsten | gentooCreed: Take it to Slashdot. |
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| 17:36.40 | cbr | is amd64 unstable a bit more outdated than i386 unstable? |
| 17:36.45 | beardy | cluelessness more the like |
| 17:36.47 | greycat | cbr: ask the amd64 channel |
| 17:36.55 | Manny | hi. experimental has broken packages: libhal1: Depends: libdbus-1-1 (>= 0.36.1) but 0.34-3 is to be installed |
| 17:36.56 | Lee__ | !beer force register |
| 17:37.05 | Manny | it also has 0.34 dbus sources |
| 17:37.16 | mwilson | Manny: Yes, so? |
| 17:37.20 | Manny | dpkg, bah, Spaten sucks |
| 17:37.22 | jum | no this is not whois, i think its host or nslookup with a kind of -dna argument |
| 17:37.24 | Manny | esp. Pils |
| 17:37.34 | helix | Manny: it's experimental -- it's more or less designed to be broken |
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| 17:37.39 | Manny | mwilson, any ideas where I can get the source package for hal 0.34 |
| 17:37.40 | cbr | Manny: use libhal0, not libhal1 |
| 17:37.42 | gentooCreed | by the ways is there an easy single command to register? |
| 17:37.50 | sgeigerbot | gentooCreed: using bittorrent is better. |
| 17:37.53 | karsten | gentooCreed: Register on IRC? |
| 17:37.54 | Manny | cbr, isn't the numbering sequential? |
| 17:37.56 | Lee__ | gentooCreed: /msg nickserv help |
| 17:38.01 | karsten | gentooCreed: /msg nickserv help |
| 17:38.08 | helix | gentooCreed: but you may want to pick a better nick before registering :) |
| 17:38.09 | mwilson | Manny: last time I checked, f.d.o *did* exist for a reason. |
| 17:38.13 | greycat | BUGS |
| 17:38.14 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:38.14 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.15 | Lee__ | yeah, seriously |
| 17:38.17 | greycat | what... the... FUCK? |
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| 17:38.22 | karsten | gentooCreed: Sorry, thought you were referring to Debian, the distro, not #debian, the channel, earlier. |
| 17:38.27 | helix | greycat: what's that? |
| 17:38.31 | greycat | helix: from whois(1) |
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| 17:38.35 | Manny | mwilson, I need libhal >= 0.5 |
| 17:38.36 | helix | heh |
| 17:38.41 | Lee__ | greycat: that's a nice feature. don't use this program, basically. |
| 17:38.48 | mwilson | Manny: I'm sure you think you do. |
| 17:38.52 | greycat | what kind of an IDIOT would document the fact that a program has buffer overflows, instead of fixing them? |
| 17:38.53 | mentor | gentooCreed: /msg nickserv help |
| 17:38.57 | karsten | mwilson: f.d.o? |
| 17:39.08 | Manny | mwilson, I have to debug gnome-vfs 2.11.2, to be honest, and I don't have time to rectify myself :) |
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| 17:39.13 | karsten | greycat: An idiot with insufficient time ;-) |
| 17:39.14 | mwilson | karsten: I always put that extra period in for some reason. |
| 17:39.24 | mwilson | Manny: Awwwwwww |
| 17:39.25 | karsten | mwilson: What's 'f'? |
| 17:39.26 | gentooCreed | mentor: that's not a simple command line... |
| 17:39.37 | helix | he means freedesktop.org presumably |
| 17:39.41 | greycat | gentooCreed: be less stupid. |
| 17:39.44 | karsten | helix: Ah. |
| 17:39.53 | mentor | gentooCreed: No, but it documents what it is. |
| 17:39.56 | karsten | helix: Got Xen? ;-) |
| 17:40.00 | helix | no |
| 17:40.01 | Manny | mwilson, did I do sth. wrong? :) |
| 17:40.05 | helix | ...why? |
| 17:40.20 | helix | Manny: why are you using experimental? |
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| 17:40.32 | Manny | helix, because unstable doesn't have hal >= 0.5 |
| 17:40.39 | greycat | so you deal with it. |
| 17:40.43 | mwilson | helix: Apparently he's just... special that way. |
| 17:40.44 | helix | Manny: do you know why that is? |
| 17:40.58 | Manny | helix, no. Because it's broken? |
| 17:41.00 | helix | Manny: anyway, experimental works like this: people upload shit there normally because it /will/ break |
| 17:41.05 | coreyo | does anyone have postfix working with sasl authentication in debian? |
| 17:41.08 | helix | and you don't get to complain when it does, basicall |
| 17:41.09 | helix | y |
| 17:41.15 | beardy | !anyone |
| 17:41.15 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 17:41.19 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 17:41.19 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 17:41.25 | Manny | helix, I don't complain. I'm just asking whether anyone knows a source location for it? |
| 17:41.35 | greycat | Manny: build your own packages from the source. |
| 17:41.44 | Manny | greycat, the source is not available |
| 17:41.46 | helix | Manny: I'm curious ... why do you need it? |
| 17:41.50 | greycat | Manny: if you're bright enough to use experimental, you should be able to do that. |
| 17:41.51 | beardy | coreyo: /msg dpkg ask and smart questions |
| 17:41.53 | helix | umm apt-get source whatever ? |
| 17:42.00 | debianCreed | screw Gentoo channel |
| 17:42.10 | stew | E: no source package named whatever |
| 17:42.13 | debianCreed | with their freaking registration feature |
| 17:42.18 | helix | stew: apt-get source feh |
| 17:42.28 | greycat | debianCreed: just register yourself with nickserv for fuck's sake |
| 17:42.33 | Manny | helix, the source is older than the dependency |
| 17:42.33 | greycat | it takes, what, 30 seconds? |
| 17:42.41 | abrotman | 10 if you're a good typist :) |
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| 17:42.56 | Manny | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.00 | debianCreed | greycat: never in my life I've done that... I don't know how to |
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| 17:43.08 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 17:43.09 | beardy | debianCreed: learn |
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| 17:43.18 | greycat | (he *was* told. I saw it.) |
| 17:43.20 | mwilson | Wow... I don't even give the *slightest* damn about any version whatsoever of HAL, and I found sources for it in under a minute. Go figure. |
| 17:43.23 | Ronin | debianCreed: learn its very easy, freenodes website is easy to follow |
| 17:43.39 | mwilson | Of course, I actually bothered to go looking for it, rather than whine about how I needed it. |
| 17:43.50 | Manny | mwilson, ok, I just wanted to point out that it's stupid to upload a package source without uploading its dep sources :) |
| 17:43.52 | lakcaj | debianCreed, msg NickServ help |
| 17:44.00 | Manny | enough rant |
| 17:44.04 | Manny | sorry for disturbing :) |
| 17:44.04 | helix | Manny: did you apt-get update? |
| 17:44.08 | Manny | helix, yes |
| 17:44.13 | beardy | Manny: He told you about experimental didn't he? |
| 17:44.17 | debianCreed | lakcaj: yeah I've got that page already |
| 17:44.21 | error403 | Just a quick question - is the openoffice.org package version 1 or 2? |
| 17:44.30 | mwilson | Manny: I suppose it's too much to actually expect you to pay attention to what helix told you regarding experimental. |
| 17:44.30 | Manny | people just fool me :) |
| 17:44.34 | cbr | error403: 1 |
| 17:44.37 | error403 | right |
| 17:44.41 | zuralin | 2 is in experimental |
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| 17:44.42 | cbr | openoffice.org2 is 2.0 beta |
| 17:44.45 | error403 | so if i want 2, i need to download it? |
| 17:44.48 | error403 | hmmm |
| 17:44.51 | cbr | it's in experimental |
| 17:44.54 | helix | 2 works ok |
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| 17:44.57 | error403 | i thought 2.0 was stable on linux? |
| 17:45.01 | mwilson | error403: No, if you want 2.0beta, you need to learn how to read. |
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| 17:45.10 | xhypno | ok, it is official, I can not get any version of debian post woody installed on my HP DV1000 laptop |
| 17:45.13 | cbr | error403: it's not released yet |
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| 17:45.15 | error403 | mwilson, what you mean? |
| 17:45.16 | mwilson | And no, 2.0 isn't released, on any platform. |
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| 17:45.20 | helix | xhypno: woody is deprecated, use sarge |
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| 17:45.24 | helix | oh |
| 17:45.24 | greycat | xhypno: ok, then install woody and upgrade it |
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| 17:45.29 | helix | xhypno: ignore me :) |
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| 17:45.31 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 17:45.36 | helix | xhypno: what are the problems? |
| 17:45.37 | beardy | xhypno: Ask a real question, tell us what your proeblem is. |
| 17:45.39 | Shadowcat | he wants to run OpenOffice 2.0 beta |
| 17:45.41 | error403 | ah well, thanks people (just tried the win32 beta, works fine...) |
| 17:45.42 | Shadowcat | funny |
| 17:45.44 | mwilson | helix: Why're you glaring at me? |
| 17:45.49 | greycat | beardy: he gave some more details a while back |
| 17:45.53 | error403 | Shadowcat, how is that funny? |
| 17:45.54 | helix | mwilson: because you're being a dick and the ops are sick of warning you |
| 17:45.54 | greycat | beardy: he's probably assuming we all remember |
| 17:46.00 | xhypno | I have been discussing the problem, but one more time won't hurt |
| 17:46.02 | helix | mwilson: and if you continue you will be banned for good |
| 17:46.04 | helix | mmkay |
| 17:46.07 | xhypno | Here is a detailed explanation of the problem, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356951, someone please take a look. |
| 17:46.10 | Shadowcat | error403: apart from the fact that you have no freaking clue of what you're doing? |
| 17:46.29 | cipo | im non-us and i cant speak english, ne1 can help me? |
| 17:46.30 | cbr | lol, let the debian flamefest begin |
| 17:46.33 | helix | Shadowcat: wtf? |
| 17:46.37 | beardy | xhypno: I apologize then, I haven't seen / don't rmember your previous question. |
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| 17:46.39 | error403 | Shadowcat, i been using OO.o 2.0 beta on win32 fine for a while |
| 17:46.42 | nkuttler | cipo: where you from? |
| 17:46.45 | greycat | cipo: tell us what language you *do* speak |
| 17:46.46 | cipo | indonesia |
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| 17:46.48 | Ronin | cipo: what language? theres likely a debian channel in your language |
| 17:46.51 | Shadowcat | error403: bah |
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| 17:46.53 | xhypno | beardy, np |
| 17:46.54 | aurax | ello, anyone got sata raid isntalled ? |
| 17:46.56 | Shadowcat | whoever tried to download it |
| 17:47.00 | Shadowcat | sorry |
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| 17:47.03 | abrotman | isn't indonesia a country .. not a language? |
| 17:47.05 | error403 | lol |
| 17:47.06 | mwilson | error403: That's as may be, but it's still not released yet. |
| 17:47.07 | aurax | i got problems with getting raid1 to work |
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| 17:47.14 | helix | abrotman: erm, both |
| 17:47.16 | error403 | fair enough mwilson |
| 17:47.21 | cipo | ah ok, indonesian |
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| 17:47.28 | helix | error403: anyway, its in experimental |
| 17:47.28 | cipo | sorry for bothering |
| 17:47.29 | helix | it's |
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| 17:47.34 | abrotman | helix: it is? .. I didn't realize it was actually the name of the language |
| 17:47.34 | xhypno | if anyone has another suggestion, I am open to it. I have removed discover and blacklisted all audio and usb modules and I still can't boot the install. |
| 17:47.38 | Blissex | abrotman: indonesia is a country with dozen languages, the ''standard'' one is called bahasa indonesia IIRC |
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| 17:47.49 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 17:48.00 | aurax | abrotman sup |
| 17:48.06 | abrotman | hi? |
| 17:48.18 | error403 | well, ill get me the beta from the openoffice.org site then! |
| 17:48.18 | mwilson | xhypno: You were given an excellent suggestion... install Woody and upgrade. |
| 17:48.28 | rob5 | abrotman.. what's up man |
| 17:48.31 | xhypno | They is what I am getting ready to try |
| 17:48.31 | abrotman | hi? |
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| 17:48.44 | rob5 | hows it been |
| 17:48.50 | xhypno | I am trying also a really old pre-release sarge also |
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| 17:49.00 | aurax | so does anyone got sata raid working ? |
| 17:49.06 | abrotman | which controller |
| 17:49.06 | aurax | i got sil 3114 |
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| 17:49.09 | beardy | xhypno: Do what mwilson said. |
| 17:49.12 | abrotman | aurax: that's not true raid |
| 17:49.13 | aurax | or 3112 o/b |
| 17:49.14 | aurax | tried both\ |
| 17:49.14 | Blissex | abrotman: indonesia is a country with dozen languages, the ''standard'' one is called bahasa indonesia IIRC |
| 17:49.18 | Blissex | oope |
| 17:49.20 | aurax | fake raid ? |
| 17:49.20 | abrotman | Blissex: i saw :) |
| 17:49.24 | abrotman | !sata raid |
| 17:49.25 | mwilson | Not what I said... I'm not the one who made the suggestion. |
| 17:49.25 | aurax | 3112/3114 is fakeraid ? |
| 17:49.26 | abrotman | hrm |
| 17:49.28 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 17:49.28 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 17:49.29 | abrotman | yay |
| 17:49.32 | aurax | ehe |
| 17:49.33 | Blissex | cipo: search for bahasa channel; here: http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/ |
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| 17:50.02 | aurax | abrotman what controller you recommand ? |
| 17:50.04 | xhypno | is there a woody netinstall image still on debian.org |
| 17:50.14 | greycat | xhypno: you just *said* woody worked, didn't you? |
| 17:50.17 | abrotman | aurax: a hardware one .. check the first URL .. it lists fake vs real |
| 17:50.19 | Blissex | cipo: also look at the Indonesia Linux User Group website, they probably ha ve pointers to channels |
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| 17:50.27 | beardy | mwilson: Well, as you relayed then.. or, you actually said it now, oh well.. |
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| 17:50.30 | xhypno | it did, but I am at work, and I don't have my woody cd with me |
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| 17:50.33 | cipo | ty Blissex |
| 17:50.41 | greycat | xhypno: so bring it tomorrow |
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| 17:50.56 | cipo | hmm short question, im updating my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6, after i reboot, gdm cant load. it says no core pointer. what should i do? |
| 17:51.01 | xhypno | lol |
| 17:51.06 | aurax | abrotman you know any specific controller |
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| 17:51.10 | abrotman | !2.6 mouse |
| 17:51.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules and choose mouse device /dev/input/mice and mouse type ExplorerPS/2. See http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 17:51.23 | abrotman | aurax: only SATA hardware raid i've used was adaptec 2410SA |
| 17:51.23 | cipo | ty |
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| 17:52.31 | abrotman | wtf was rob5? |
| 17:52.31 | werw | !dpkg awstats |
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| 17:52.51 | abrotman | !awstats |
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| 17:53.09 | DoppelGanger | !awesome :) |
| 17:53.15 | abrotman | !gnarly |
| 17:53.20 | abrotman | he's not down with slang |
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| 17:53.58 | EdibleText | !foshizzle |
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| 17:54.09 | greycat | dpkg, gnarly is <reply> Yeah, like, totally righteous, man! |
| 17:54.10 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 17:54.15 | Lee__ | is there a utility to track the current package status of a host and notify the admin when it is out of date? |
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| 17:54.29 | greycat | "package status of a host"? |
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| 17:54.36 | abrotman | Lee__: you mean like the MSBA ? |
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| 17:54.47 | Lee__ | like how many outstanding updates there are |
| 17:54.48 | beardy | !slang1 |
| 17:54.48 | dpkg | if you didn't put slang1 on hold, first install slink's slang1 ("!find slang1 slink" in channel) then "apt-get install ae lynx-ssl modconf newt0.30 whiptail" again |
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| 17:54.56 | beardy | quite old? :) |
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| 17:55.06 | mwilson | *Slink*!? |
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| 17:55.12 | Lee__ | I have a number of hosts and I'd like a semi-automated way of knowing when they need updates. |
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| 17:55.29 | Lee__ | or at least what updates /aren't/ installed yet. |
| 17:55.34 | mwilson | Lee__: First you have to define "out of date". |
| 17:55.34 | EdibleText | m dpkg factinfo slang1 |
| 17:55.35 | abrotman | Lee__: for stable? |
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| 17:55.41 | yonkeltron | i am getting a really wierd error when trying to compile my kernel using make-kpkg. can someone help me? |
| 17:55.42 | Lee__ | yeah, for stable |
| 17:55.56 | Lee__ | mwilson: out of date == DSA announcement to upgrade |
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| 17:56.07 | nkuttler | Lee__: look into cron-apt |
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| 17:56.13 | debianCreed | hello? |
| 17:56.15 | Lee__ | nkuttler: thanks |
| 17:56.21 | nkuttler | Lee__: and subscribe to the security mailing list |
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| 17:56.59 | mwilson | IMHO subscribing to security-announce is MUCH more important than the box having some automated method of telling you there's a package it hasn't installed. |
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| 17:57.15 | abrotman | Lee__: and you might want to inspect apt-proxy |
| 17:57.16 | mwilson | Withough you having any context for WHY there's a package it hasn't installed. |
| 17:57.20 | Lee__ | nkuttler: I already do that. it looks like cron-apt is exactly what I need to let me know what state each host is in. thanks. |
| 17:57.33 | abrotman | no it won't ... it will upgrade them |
| 17:57.43 | nkuttler | abrotman: it can notify afaik |
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| 17:57.56 | abrotman | nkuttler: perhaps .. i think default is to install though |
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| 17:58.15 | Lee__ | mwilson: sure, but it's inefficient to go to 10 hosts and run apt-get update;apt-get upgrade each time you get a DSA email. |
| 17:58.41 | mwilson | Lee__: <shrug> You're going to be doing that anyway. |
| 17:58.43 | Lee__ | and if they ever get out of sync, forget about it. |
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| 17:58.54 | debianCreed | does anybody use ctorrent? |
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| 17:59.02 | Lee__ | mwilson: not if I can help it. |
| 17:59.04 | debianCreed | I see absolutely no progress |
| 17:59.15 | mwilson | Lee__: Unattended upgrades of production systems are foolish. |
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| 17:59.39 | cipo | ouw it works! ty abrotman, Blissex, others |
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| 17:59.46 | cipo | have a nice day :) |
| 17:59.47 | r3v | debianCreed: ctorrent? |
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| 18:00.14 | debianCreed | r3v: yeah... is a command line client |
| 18:00.23 | Lee__ | mwilson: thanks for the news flash |
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| 18:00.33 | debianCreed | r3v: do you know of any torrent client for command line? |
| 18:00.42 | r3v | debianCreed: apt-get install bittorrent |
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| 18:00.45 | beardy | debianCreed: Google |
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| 18:00.52 | smo_ | hi i just compiled a module for my quickcam messenger build ans insmod right, now i have a green screen in gnomemeeting and mercury (msn messenger) for those who know it don t detect my cam... |
| 18:00.54 | maakuth | debianCreed, bittorrent package has btdownloadheadless and btdownloadcurses |
| 18:01.00 | r3v | debianCreed: that one has 2 different ones that are command line |
| 18:01.18 | debianCreed | is bittorrent reliable? |
| 18:01.23 | smo_ | /dev/video0 [v4l2]: ioctl VIDIOC_QUERYCAP: Unknown error 515 |
| 18:01.23 | smo_ | /dev/video0 [v4l]: no overlay support |
| 18:01.23 | smo_ | can i disable the v4l2? |
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| 18:01.27 | Lee__ | debianCreed: azureus is in Sarge |
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| 18:01.38 | Lee__ | you need a JRE |
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| 18:01.48 | maakuth | debianCreed, yes it is, and it's reference implementation |
| 18:01.48 | r3v | debianCreed: bittorrent works fine for me |
| 18:01.56 | Mindship-01 | Why does debian not honor LC_NUMERIC? |
| 18:02.08 | mwilson | It does. |
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| 18:02.14 | debianCreed | k |
| 18:02.15 | mwilson | Are you setting LC_ALL? |
| 18:02.16 | Mindship-01 | KP_decimal should be "," than |
| 18:02.27 | greycat | Mindship-01: man locale; man 7 locales |
| 18:02.28 | mwilson | Why |
| 18:02.30 | Mindship-01 | mwilson: nope |
| 18:02.39 | mistake12 | quick question that i'm pretty sure tha answer is no to...is there anyway i can turn on ssh when i'm not at my box? |
| 18:02.41 | greycat | sorry, man 7 locale |
| 18:02.43 | maakuth | debianCreed, another choice is bittornado, which is based on bittorrent source, but has some advanced features |
| 18:02.53 | mwilson | Why would a keyboard key change? |
| 18:03.07 | aurax | abrotman |
| 18:03.07 | debianCreed | maakuth: I was really looking for something command line |
| 18:03.09 | beardy | mistake12: If you have another way in, yes. |
| 18:03.11 | aurax | what about software raid |
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| 18:03.18 | EdibleText | mistake12, you mean not physically at the box? |
| 18:03.18 | Mindship-01 | My locale file says decimal character is "," (u002c IIRC) but KP_decimal gives "." |
| 18:03.18 | greycat | mistake12: how does the computer know where you are? |
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| 18:03.32 | mistake12 | greycat: what do you mean? |
| 18:03.33 | debianCreed | wow I see some activity on ctorrent :-) |
| 18:03.40 | greycat | mistake12: how does ssh know when to turn itself on? |
| 18:03.41 | maakuth | debianCreed, and i gave you 2 packages which both have two alternative command line programs |
| 18:03.43 | abrotman | aurax: i wouldn't ever use it .. no idea |
| 18:03.53 | EdibleText | mistake12, login remotly; turn off sshd |
| 18:03.57 | Mindship-01 | Nothing changed, I only thought to fix this and saw everything was set up ok! |
| 18:03.57 | greycat | mistake12: when you type "xlock"? |
| 18:04.08 | mistake12 | greycat: at boot only |
| 18:04.16 | greycat | what the fuck does THAT mean? |
| 18:04.25 | mistake12 | ssh only starts at boot |
| 18:04.32 | debianCreed | maakuth: bittornado has command line option? |
| 18:04.33 | greycat | but it runs forever. |
| 18:04.47 | greycat | so, what is your point? |
| 18:04.52 | maakuth | debianCreed, they both have btdownloadcurses and btdownloadheadless |
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| 18:05.04 | mistake12 | i turned it off last night because someone kept hitting it trying to login with root and a bunch of other users |
| 18:05.05 | debianCreed | ok |
| 18:05.06 | abrotman | e17 sucks |
| 18:05.12 | Gnea | your mom |
| 18:05.17 | abrotman | and she likes it |
| 18:05.20 | Gnea | :) |
| 18:05.20 | mistake12 | and i forgot to turn it back on before i left |
| 18:05.22 | greycat | mistake12: run it on an alternate port |
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| 18:06.07 | Gnea | abrotman: this laptop has been producing some interesting errors |
| 18:06.24 | abrotman | Gnea: "Help me i've fallen and i can't get up" ? |
| 18:06.30 | harleyg | greycat, what was your fav cheese again? |
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| 18:06.43 | Gnea | it has a full 64-bit kernel and userland now |
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| 18:06.47 | jethro | !lart abrotman |
| 18:07.03 | abrotman | !phillysmite jethro |
| 18:07.11 | Gnea | there are just... issues.. like starting gdm or an xterm and the whole system comes to a complete halt |
| 18:07.12 | Caelum | ouch |
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| 18:07.19 | jethro | that must hurt |
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| 18:07.42 | abrotman | jethro: you hardheaded frenchman .. you cracked the liberty bell! |
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| 18:07.48 | jethro | heh |
| 18:07.53 | greycat | abrotman: but they gave us this nice statue. |
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| 18:08.19 | Gnea | abrotman: on the upside, it boots faster than windows xp can scroll that stupid thing from one side to the other 5 times |
| 18:08.25 | abrotman | yeah .. that got all rusty and crap .. we had to clean the damn thing |
| 18:08.31 | aurax | !faw raid |
| 18:08.34 | aurax | !faq raid |
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| 18:08.36 | aurax | !faq sata |
| 18:08.37 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 18:08.37 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 18:08.45 | abrotman | !tell aurax about listkeys sata |
| 18:08.58 | TwistedEmotions | Uhhh.. I think this is a dumb question... but does debian come with a calculator? |
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| 18:09.06 | jethro | TwistedEmotions: bc? |
| 18:09.08 | DoppelGanger | ha ha |
| 18:09.10 | greycat | TwistedEmotions: bc(1) and xcalc(1) and ... |
| 18:09.11 | debianCreed | why only pr0n torrents work??? I want something more meaningful!! |
| 18:09.12 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: for the GUI ? |
| 18:09.14 | EdibleText | TwistedEmotions, bc -l |
| 18:09.24 | TwistedEmotions | terminal is fine |
| 18:09.25 | TwistedEmotions | thanks |
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| 18:09.38 | xhypno | Here is a detailed explanation of the problem, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356951, someone please take a look. |
| 18:09.42 | greycat | oh DAMN... "be gentoo advocate" is already taken! |
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| 18:09.52 | xhypno | still trying I see |
| 18:10.09 | freyley | anybody know anything about dvd+rw-tools |
| 18:10.18 | mwilson | freyley: Such as? |
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| 18:10.36 | r3v | freyley: yeah |
| 18:10.41 | abrotman | xhypno: did you try shutting off USB in the bios ? |
| 18:10.54 | greycat | dpkg, no, be gentoo advocate is <reply>(<pijn> i used debain as a webserver for a long, but i didn't learn very much from it.. cause it simply worked perfect. gentoo makes me do it all by myself, and that is what interests me.|<deitarion> greycat: Nothing supports my hybrid "Xfce/Openbox with fragments of GNOME and KDE" window environment as well as Gentoo.) |
| 18:10.54 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 18:11.06 | xhypno | it is a laptop with a very minimal bios |
| 18:11.16 | xhypno | no usb off option unfortunately |
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| 18:11.27 | toolbox | hello, i need to dual boot debian alongside windows xp. is this pretty down pat now or do i need to go out and buy the latest partition magic (i have v.7)? |
| 18:11.45 | EdibleText | greycat, those are some tasty Gentoo Confessions |
| 18:11.55 | abrotman | xhypno: you might also have to disable the hotplug script |
| 18:11.55 | r3v | greycat: why is there pro gentoo stuff on there? |
| 18:11.57 | greycat | EdibleText: the second one was just a few minutes ago, in #bash |
| 18:12.02 | EdibleText | heh |
| 18:12.07 | debianCreed | toolbox: use the real AWSOME ntfsresize... it works awsomely handsome |
| 18:12.12 | greycat | r3v: you think that's "pro gentoo"? |
| 18:12.16 | xhypno | toolbox, boot a knoppix cd, then run sudo qtparted& |
| 18:12.20 | jethro | greycat: did someone really say that? |
| 18:12.23 | cbr | the first quote is pro |
| 18:12.26 | greycat | jethro: yes. |
| 18:12.27 | cbr | the other one not so much |
| 18:12.28 | Caelum | toolbox: there are free partition resizing tools, like the ones just mentioned, you could also use colinux |
| 18:12.32 | jethro | my god ... |
| 18:12.37 | r3v | greycat: it's definitly not even close to hatefull enough |
| 18:12.45 | debianCreed | toolbox: in addition you would need to make heavy Defragmentation prior to resizing |
| 18:12.46 | greycat | r3v: it's not supposed to be *hateful* |
| 18:12.52 | greycat | r3v: these are *real quotes* from *real gentoo users* |
| 18:12.56 | toolbox | ok |
| 18:12.58 | debianCreed | toolbox: but who wants Dual boot with XP grabage? |
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| 18:13.05 | toolbox | me :-) |
| 18:13.06 | greycat | or at least trolls pretending to be real gentoo users, but I believe the second one's sincere |
| 18:13.09 | jethro | greycat: I was told to use windows by gentoo users :'( |
| 18:13.11 | toolbox | for now at least |
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| 18:13.18 | r3v | greycat: it should be. I was a real gentoo user for about a month, but and I hated it with a passion |
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| 18:13.27 | ke6isf | toolbox: Games, I take it? |
| 18:13.30 | DoppelGanger | jethro: better than being told to use gentoo :) |
| 18:13.31 | beardy | debianCreed: He wants, and many others. |
| 18:13.34 | jethro | DoppelGanger: hah |
| 18:13.36 | debianCreed | greycat: I use gentoo and Debian, you've got a problem? |
| 18:13.44 | DoppelGanger | jethro: its a joke |
| 18:13.50 | cbr | i was a gentoo user for 1.5 years.. it's got the best community but the compiling is tireing |
| 18:13.52 | DoppelGanger | debianCreed: yes creed sucks he eh |
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| 18:14.01 | beardy | debianCreed: but who want to use debian and gentoo crap? |
| 18:14.03 | toolbox | Games? Absolutely not!!! :-) Financial software. |
| 18:14.15 | beardy | oh sorry, "garbage" |
| 18:14.19 | jethro | cbr: the best community? imho it's the most childish community and even more elitist than #debian |
| 18:14.20 | Mindship-01 | If Debian does not ignore LC_NUMERIC, than why does ` xmodmap -e "keysym KP_Decimal = comma" ' do what I thought would happen by default @ nl_NL@euro? |
| 18:14.25 | ke6isf | toolbox: What flavor of financial software? |
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| 18:14.30 | toolbox | that's the achilles heel right now... |
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| 18:14.47 | Caelum | yeah, gnucash doesn't quite cut it.... |
| 18:14.50 | cbr | jethro: nothing in the linux community can beat the gentoo forums imho.. the place where people are actually helped.. not laughed at like it often happens here ;) |
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| 18:14.55 | abrotman | sql-ledger |
| 18:14.57 | mwilson | Mindship-01: Because you're thinking the keyboard should change just because you set an environment variable. |
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| 18:15.01 | Lee__ | !elitist |
| 18:15.02 | dpkg | methinks elitist is a word used by lazy people to describe the ones who made them angry by insisting that people should THINK instead of just asking every damned stupid question in their head on an IRC channel |
| 18:15.05 | greycat | cbr: you are free to leave if you dislike us. |
| 18:15.07 | abrotman | or check the one from thekompany |
| 18:15.21 | jethro | Lee__: I've never been told to use windows in #debian :) |
| 18:15.22 | greycat | Lee__: I think that's one of mine :) |
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| 18:15.32 | cbr | greycat: i dont dislike you, i just think that a bit of tolerancy and politeness have never done bad :) |
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| 18:15.39 | Lee__ | Caelum: GNUcash is working alright for personal stuff. |
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| 18:15.42 | abrotman | cbr: what's your problem! |
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| 18:15.46 | cbr | lol |
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| 18:15.54 | DoppelGanger | greycat: its ok i love you despite what they say :) |
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| 18:15.59 | cbr | abrotman: i hope that was sarcasm :D |
| 18:16.06 | nkuttler | cbr: stay here and help people for a few years, see if your opinion changes |
| 18:16.11 | abrotman | cbr: maybe. ... :) |
| 18:16.15 | toolbox | ke6isf: tcnet, and metastock are the two main ones |
| 18:16.20 | Caelum | Lee__: I haven't tried it in a while, think I will |
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| 18:16.30 | ke6isf | toolbox: Stock trading software? |
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| 18:16.39 | toolbox | ke6isf: exactly |
| 18:16.46 | Lee__ | Caelum: I think it's changed much with the recent version. It's all double-entry n'shit. |
| 18:16.54 | ke6isf | toolbox: Heh. I fold =^^= I don't really do stocks.... =/ |
| 18:16.56 | Lee__ | with fancy reports too! |
| 18:16.57 | toolbox | ke6isf: charting software to be more precise |
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| 18:17.04 | toolbox | :-) |
| 18:17.08 | debianCreed | is there a way to effectively counterattack the spam assholers ?? |
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| 18:17.22 | DoppelGanger | debianCreed: offer to kiss them |
| 18:17.26 | error403 | lol |
| 18:17.27 | Ronin | debianCreed: yep /mode +E or at least it blocks them |
| 18:17.29 | debianCreed | I mean here are pretty bright minded people, can't you guys do anything? |
| 18:17.29 | beardy | !topicsmite debianCreed |
| 18:17.30 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon debianCreed. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 18:17.30 | toolbox | thanks a lot for the leads and advice on dual booting people! |
| 18:17.36 | Caelum | Lee__: does it do stuff like calculate optimal interest reducing strategies, or read turbotax files? |
| 18:17.39 | ke6isf | !tell debhelper -about spambots |
| 18:17.44 | greycat | the whole fuckin' NETWORK is umode +E right now. |
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| 18:17.50 | ryanakca | has anyone here had trouble getting wacom's graphire 3 graphic tablet to work on Kernel 2.6.12.5 with Debian as an os? |
| 18:17.51 | Ronin | greycat: i bet it is |
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| 18:17.54 | toolbox | <---always afraid of the dual boot. |
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| 18:18.05 | greycat | in case you missed the last 3 or 4 global notices from lilo |
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| 18:18.10 | toolbox | <-----always forgetting how to do it. |
| 18:18.13 | toolbox | :-) |
| 18:18.15 | xhypno | !tell xhypno about spambots |
| 18:18.24 | debianCreed | toolbox: I did that yesterday and worked out of the box with an old Debian CD install!! |
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| 18:18.28 | ke6isf | !tell xhypno -about msg the bots |
| 18:18.30 | Lee__ | Caelum: it does read Quickbooks files. I don't know about stragety. You should read the tutorial that's in Sarge. It's extensive for a accounting n00b like myself. |
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| 18:18.43 | debianCreed | toolbox: dual boot with Windows 2000 |
| 18:18.47 | Lee__ | toolbox: sarge does it for you. |
| 18:18.50 | toolbox | debianCreed: that's kinda what i was hoping for |
| 18:18.52 | debianCreed | or Me or 95 I don't even know |
| 18:18.53 | Caelum | Lee__: will do thanks |
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| 18:19.08 | toolbox | debianCreed: i'm afraid it's xp home on my laptop |
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| 18:19.17 | Lee__ | toolbox: you don't need that! |
| 18:19.19 | cbr | nkuttler: ofcourse i might get bored or tired of it too, but that's not an excuse you know ;) |
| 18:19.21 | toolbox | hehe |
| 18:19.22 | debianCreed | toolbox: believe me I turn on the lappy and there it was GRUB offering both Debian and W$$$ |
| 18:19.39 | cbr | not like i'm helping anybody right now, but speaking hypothetically |
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| 18:20.11 | greycat | there's a good definition of "troll". someone who ALWAYS speaks hypothetically (and at great length) |
| 18:20.38 | DoppelGanger | :) |
| 18:20.42 | toolbox | ok, i will look into each one of things you mention, carefully :-) |
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| 18:21.08 | harleyg | greycat, what was your fav cheese again? |
| 18:21.11 | Caelum | woah, these are nice: http://schragehome.de/splash/ |
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| 18:21.15 | toolbox | better to just back up, it's not like i have anything that's not already bolted down fairly well at least. |
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| 18:21.19 | greycat | harleyg: I like swiss and cheddar |
| 18:21.25 | toolbox | thanks!!! |
| 18:21.40 | harleyg | nice |
| 18:21.40 | samuel | is there a way to make dummy packages to satisfy deps? |
| 18:21.43 | harleyg | dary lee? |
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| 18:21.46 | greycat | samuel: equivs |
| 18:21.47 | cbr | greycat: trolls live in norway |
| 18:21.50 | nkuttler | Caelum: you can make your own |
| 18:21.55 | samuel | greycat, thx |
| 18:21.56 | greycat | cbr: but they migrate to the internet |
| 18:22.11 | sgeigerbot | samuel: apt-cache show equivs |
| 18:22.12 | beardy | cbr: So hows the weather there? |
| 18:22.12 | Ronin | cbr: and then onto irc in great numbers |
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| 18:22.24 | harleyg | greycat you like dairy lee? |
| 18:22.40 | cbr | beardy: it's dark |
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| 18:23.08 | Caelum | norwegian trolls are far less annoying, there was an evolutionary split somewhere |
| 18:23.11 | debianCreed | toolbox: don't need to buy anything, get a System Mechanics and Defrag the HDD and use XP defrag tool as well, do this for like a day, then resize NTFS partition with qparted |
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| 18:23.20 | debianCreed | toolbox: and finnaly install Debian |
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| 18:23.51 | Caelum | toolbox: take a look at www.colinux.org too |
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| 18:24.17 | meriad | how do I view the last 10 lines of a log file? |
| 18:24.23 | ke6isf | meriad: tail |
| 18:24.23 | asg | meriad: man tail |
| 18:24.28 | debianCreed | toolbox: use a torrent client to get System Mechanics |
| 18:24.30 | beardy | meriad: man tail |
| 18:24.34 | meriad | i know |
| 18:24.37 | meriad | i want the syntyax |
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| 18:24.38 | debianCreed | toolbox: are you listening ? |
| 18:24.40 | ryanakca | has anyone here had trouble getting wacom's graphire 3 graphic tablet to work on Kernel 2.6.12.5 with Debian as an os? I've followed the HOWTO for installing it to no avail. Any Tips if you've had the same or simillar problem? |
| 18:24.42 | asg | meriad: read the manpage |
| 18:24.43 | ke6isf | meriad: tail filename. |
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| 18:24.48 | meriad | bah |
| 18:24.58 | Caelum | ryanakca: post your specific problem |
| 18:25.00 | ke6isf | meriad: tail, by default, views the last ten lines of a file. |
| 18:25.09 | sgeigerbot | meriad: tail -10 file |
| 18:25.12 | debianCreed | hi any other Gentoo/Debian users?? :-) there should be a GentooDebian channel ;-) |
| 18:25.27 | nkuttler | sgeigerbot: ? |
| 18:25.38 | ke6isf | debianCreed: ...huh? =O.o= |
| 18:25.41 | ryanakca | My problem is that my graphic tablet wont work even though I've installed the drivers |
| 18:25.42 | beardy | debianCreed: Create it? |
| 18:25.48 | Caelum | debianCreed: you can always apt-get build-dep foo; apt-get source foo; dpkg-buioldpackage .... so why do you need gentoo? |
| 18:26.02 | sgeigerbot | nkuttler: Does your question mark have a question associated with it? |
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| 18:26.14 | ke6isf | debianCreed: That's like saying there should be a support group for people who drink coffee and orange juice at breakfast. Why? |
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| 18:26.27 | debianCreed | Caelum: how about apt-get Stage 1??? lol |
| 18:26.34 | Caelum | heh |
| 18:27.05 | stew | !apt-gentoo |
| 18:27.05 | dpkg | apt-gentoo is a way of simulating the waste of time that is gentoo on your Debian system. Experience the thrill of compiling your own apps from source without actually bothering to compile them! Download it from http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~mma29/apt-gentoo/ Announcement at: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/03/msg02502.html |
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| 18:27.17 | Caelum | stew: haha |
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| 18:27.41 | debianCreed | rofl |
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| 18:27.56 | nkuttler | sgeigerbot: hm, didn't know that was supported, nice |
| 18:28.08 | cbr | has anybody had success using the libc6-i686 package? |
| 18:28.09 | Mindship-01 | so, I stated my question in a mail to the debian-users mailinglist, please be so kind to respond to it, I cannot really communicate with this much IRC traffic |
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| 18:28.13 | sgeigerbot | nkuttler: head works the same way. |
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| 18:28.21 | JayRC | kcontrol gives me no options to change anything and all the modules are now found under the lost and found menu. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 18:28.22 | debianCreed | can't we all just get along?? like a big linux family?? |
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| 18:28.53 | SlayerXP | evening chaps, chappesses, chapettes and chaplittas |
| 18:28.54 | ke6isf | debianCreed: Surely you jest. |
| 18:28.59 | asuffield | debianCreed: doubt it somehow |
| 18:29.02 | beardy | JayRC: backup, fsck the filesystems, buy a new drive |
| 18:29.03 | asg | !wb SlayerXP |
| 18:29.04 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! SlayerXP has returned! |
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| 18:29.15 | Caelum | debianCreed: vicious conflict breeds progress |
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| 18:29.23 | Caelum | or something |
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| 18:30.42 | debianCreed | Caelum: I think every camp contributes something to the entire Linux progress, for instance Gentoo uses some Debian thingy for net configuratino Debian uses RedHat's kudzu and so on. Gentoo is developing an ultrafast boot initng... |
| 18:31.10 | Caelum | yup |
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| 18:31.42 | SlayerXP | "Gentoo UltraTurboReboot[tm]" |
| 18:31.44 | kspath | What is Gentoo? It that a way of delaying an install by 1-5 days? |
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| 18:31.51 | SlayerXP | too bad I'd only use it once every year or so |
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| 18:32.17 | SlayerXP | "Gentoo UltraTurboReboot[tm]: because you recompile your kernel daily, right?" |
| 18:32.24 | beardy | kspath: Don't troll please. |
| 18:32.37 | kspath | note: I would NEVER go to gentoo channel and say anything to them |
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| 18:33.02 | greycat | someone k-line lady_off already |
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| 18:33.29 | debianCreed | SlayerXP: nope, the initng, http://initng.thinktux.net/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 18:34.04 | SlayerXP | debianCreed: what an utterly terrifying idea. |
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| 18:34.38 | SlayerXP | "Gentoo UltraTurboReboot[tm]: pleas leave any hope of debugging boot time problems at the door" |
| 18:35.32 | debianCreed | SlayerXP: you are not being serious |
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| 18:35.46 | Caelum | asynchronous boot is a good idea, but yeah, it'd make releasing a dist take about a year longer |
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| 18:36.12 | SlayerXP | debianCreed: it reminds me of xinetd |
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| 18:36.33 | SlayerXP | "I know! let's create something utterly incompatible to solve a non-existent problem!" |
| 18:36.39 | abrotman | debian uses kudzu? |
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| 18:36.54 | cadu_ | :) |
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| 18:36.58 | FieldySnuts | i hope not |
| 18:36.59 | debianCreed | SlayerXP: unsuported Debian packages can be found at http://triggerit.tr.funpic.de/debian/initng/ |
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| 18:37.04 | abrotman | there are already pacakges for initng |
| 18:37.16 | abrotman | i don't think debianCreed knows what he is saying |
| 18:37.18 | stew | initng is in experimental |
| 18:37.21 | SlayerXP | debianCreed: trust me, I will never need to know that |
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| 18:37.39 | debugger | I failing to find information on creating a private debian archive for private .deb packages (like http://debian.pablo.com.mx/), known how can I do this? what tools can I use? |
| 18:37.39 | debianCreed | SlayerXP: well is Debian, don't be arrogant |
| 18:37.49 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 18:37.49 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 18:37.56 | SlayerXP | que? |
| 18:37.57 | abrotman | !singlishsmite FieldySnuts |
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| 18:37.58 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: Still say some more! Whack you then you know! |
| 18:38.08 | FieldySnuts | ~aussiesmite abrotman |
| 18:38.19 | abrotman | haha</nelson> |
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| 18:38.26 | EdibleText | debugger, that information is private |
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| 18:38.36 | Lee__ | debugger: you read the APT howto |
| 18:38.50 | debugger | Lee__, ah.. thx! :) |
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| 18:38.53 | SlayerXP | anyway, someone wake up helix, I've not harrased her in _ages_ |
| 18:39.03 | abrotman | oh .. good plan |
| 18:39.10 | debianCreed | in fact I am going to #initng channel |
| 18:39.13 | abrotman | debugger: iirc .. it's in the docs ... |
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| 18:39.17 | abrotman | !apt repository |
| 18:39.20 | abrotman | hrm |
| 18:39.39 | abrotman | !repository |
| 18:39.39 | dpkg | debian repository is probably a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html |
| 18:39.40 | FieldySnuts | ~mhallsmite abrotman |
| 18:39.42 | apt | Fuck abrotman. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 18:39.42 | tchino | i have boot-messages, that are shows /etc/exports without sync-options, where can i include that? |
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| 18:39.43 | Blissex | debugger: do you want to create a private _mirror_ of the Debian repository, or your own repository with your own package? |
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| 18:39.46 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 18:39.50 | abrotman | !g4ltsmite FieldySnuts |
| 18:39.51 | SlayerXP | i should do the helixharrasing whilst still sober, on the basis she'll end up killing me if I do it drunk |
| 18:39.54 | FieldySnuts | ahah |
| 18:40.04 | FieldySnuts | SlayerXP: !helixsmite :P |
| 18:40.05 | tchino | slrn to recativate readed messages |
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| 18:40.17 | greycat | a *what* bat? |
| 18:40.17 | SlayerXP | !helixsmite FieldySnuts |
| 18:40.21 | debugger | Blissex, one for my own packages. Lee__ told me to look at the APT howto. thx ;) |
| 18:40.22 | tchino | slrn to reactivate readed messages? |
| 18:40.27 | abrotman | SlayerXP: you know .. helix is here .. helix can hear you ... |
| 18:40.28 | FieldySnuts | tchino: huh? |
| 18:40.34 | CtrlPhreke | anyone good at troubleshooting dvd playback? |
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| 18:40.40 | abrotman | put the disc in! |
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| 18:40.44 | greycat | tchino: read the manual, or ask #slrn |
| 18:40.44 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 18:40.46 | Rewt[w] | anyone had any luck installing Flash Communication Server? |
| 18:40.46 | Lee__ | CtrlPhreke: yeah, try again. |
| 18:40.47 | CtrlPhreke | step one... done |
| 18:40.48 | SlayerXP | CtrlPhreke: did you try pressing plat? |
| 18:40.50 | SlayerXP | play |
| 18:40.50 | greycat | ok, #slrn may not exist. |
| 18:40.57 | greycat | but maybe if you go there and then someone else comes in... |
| 18:40.58 | abrotman | put the lotion in the basket! |
| 18:41.02 | debugger | abrotman, that link dpkg gave does not exists hehe |
| 18:41.03 | CtrlPhreke | step 2... done... |
| 18:41.05 | tuv | hi, i used to use pan for newsgroup reading, but it is no longer in testing |
| 18:41.10 | greycat | Rewt[w]: no. |
| 18:41.12 | SlayerXP | any suggestions for a good text-only imap mail client? |
| 18:41.14 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 18:41.16 | greycat | SlayerXP: mutt |
| 18:41.17 | tuv | so, any suggestions for a good newsgroup reader? |
| 18:41.18 | SlayerXP | (mutt and pine need not apply) |
| 18:41.18 | abrotman | debugger: let me see if i can find it |
| 18:41.20 | greycat | tuv: slrn |
| 18:41.25 | greycat | SlayerXP: mutt |
| 18:41.30 | debugger | abrotman, its http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 18:41.31 | Lee__ | CtrlPhreke: write down some detail. doesn't work is not helpful. |
| 18:41.33 | helix | tuv: gnus |
| 18:41.35 | CtrlPhreke | I can't get xine to compile... can't get totem to start... and ogle begins then faults out with dvdreadblocks failed... any ideas? |
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| 18:41.43 | abrotman | !tell debugger about own repo |
| 18:41.44 | Blissex | SlayerXP: Mutt is very good... Don't expect anything substantially easier or better. |
| 18:41.45 | beardy | SlayerXP: mutt, pine |
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| 18:41.49 | fanopnaic | CtrlPhreke: vlc? |
| 18:41.54 | tchino | greycat: i have found it: ESC+u, sorry |
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| 18:41.56 | greycat | !wayc CtrlPhreke |
| 18:41.57 | dpkg | CtrlPhreke: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 18:42.00 | debugger | abrotman, cool, thx :) |
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| 18:42.06 | Lee__ | CtrlPhreke: 1) why are you compiling xine? 2) how did you break Gnome 3) did you add marillat sources to APT? |
| 18:42.11 | Blissex | CtrlPhreke: use the precompiled tools in the Marillat reposiutory. It is a FAQ. |
| 18:42.12 | SlayerXP | greycat: note "a good text-only imap mail client" and not "a good text-only imap mail client that'll you'll need 8 weeks to understand even the most basic options for" |
| 18:42.15 | beardy | SlayerXP: pine is only available as source though I think. |
| 18:42.25 | CtrlPhreke | my linux box isn't online, I live in the boonies and only get dialup... |
| 18:42.26 | greycat | SlayerXP: mutt is NOT hard. |
| 18:42.28 | abrotman | debugger: and the other factoid is fixed .. thanks |
| 18:42.32 | greycat | SlayerXP: press F1 for help and search for imap |
| 18:42.35 | Blissex | SlayerXP: Mutt is as simple as it gets. |
| 18:42.39 | Lee__ | mutt is not hard after the 2 hour tutorial |
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| 18:42.43 | greycat | Blissex: well, I wouldn't say *that*. |
| 18:42.45 | antgel | SlayerXP: if you need eight weeks, i don't think computers are for you. |
| 18:42.48 | SlayerXP | greycat: I type "mutt" and couldn't find the "enter your imap server details here" page. |
| 18:42.49 | Lee__ | which isn't really that much time. |
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| 18:42.55 | greycat | fortunately, it's *not* simplistic. it's got decent configurability |
| 18:42.56 | tuv | greycat: is slrn a console app. or X? |
| 18:42.58 | Lee__ | I do miss the Pine "take addresses" feature. |
| 18:43.00 | antgel | SlayerXP: rtfm |
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| 18:43.05 | greycat | tuv: fuckin' hell. did you even LOOK? |
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| 18:43.10 | Blissex | SlayerXP: you got to read the docs... |
| 18:43.17 | tchino | greycat: but can you tell me, where i can debug, the error boot-message, that tells me, that the sync-option of export devices are not specify |
| 18:43.25 | SlayerXP | antgel: robots torture famished marsupials? |
| 18:43.28 | tuv | greycat: calm down.. |
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| 18:43.32 | SlayerXP | Blissex: I don't read docs, I'm a sysadmin |
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| 18:43.46 | Lee__ | SlayerXP-- |
| 18:43.54 | Blissex | !bofhsmite SlayerXP :-) |
| 18:43.54 | hyde | err |
| 18:44.04 | hyde | must be a terrible admin then |
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| 18:44.23 | SlayerXP | hyde: yeah, I only run data centres for search engines |
| 18:44.26 | tuv | greycat: yes i did, but nothing said about console or X.. i presume it's console |
| 18:44.29 | EdibleText | factiod from hell |
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| 18:44.52 | hyde | my condolences |
| 18:45.01 | tuv | i'm used to pan, and looking for something similar |
| 18:45.04 | antgel | SlayerXP: are you facilitating resource management for the enterprise based culture? |
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| 18:45.32 | SlayerXP | antgel: I heard that makes you go blind |
| 18:45.37 | antgel | tuv: how about pan? |
| 18:45.43 | CtrlPhreke | okay, what faq are you pointing out to me Blissex? |
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| 18:46.06 | tuv | antgel, not in testing anymore, at least for the moment |
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| 18:46.16 | Blissex | the channel bot has it, and you can justy web search for 'marillat debian' |
| 18:46.24 | Blissex | !marillat |
| 18:46.24 | dpkg | well, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
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| 18:46.53 | CtrlPhreke | thanks |
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| 18:47.21 | Blissex | Lee__: it is a very important word, but it is usually optimistic. |
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| 18:47.26 | cr3 | I can't find my usb device anywhere under /dev, how can I map a device to what is returned by lsusb? |
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| 18:47.43 | SlayerXP | cr3: what does dmesg say? |
| 18:47.44 | Blissex | cr3: they usually are not. |
| 18:47.51 | Lee__ | CtrlPhreke: you can msg dpkg, he's the bot with the 411. |
| 18:47.51 | pipeline | cr3: If you can't find it under /dev, you may have other problems. Are the right drivers loaded? Is devfs or udev screwing you over? |
| 18:48.03 | xhypno | cr3: usb are usually set up as block devices under /dev/sdX |
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| 18:48.18 | Blissex | cr3: some USB devices have drivers that create '/dev/' entries, not all. |
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| 18:48.28 | CtrlPhreke | will do... thanks again... |
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| 18:49.20 | cr3 | SlayerXP: dmesg shows 4 usb buses, which matches the output of lsmod |
| 18:49.23 | atom-z | I just installed the nVidia nForce drivers, how can I make debian use the nvnet driver for the onboard NICs |
| 18:49.33 | greycat | atom-z: modprobe it |
| 18:49.45 | SlayerXP | cr3: and when you plug the USB device in, what does dmesg say about it? |
| 18:49.47 | atom-z | greycat, nvnet is loaded |
| 18:49.54 | atom-z | greycat, but so is forcedeth |
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| 18:50.08 | atom-z | greycat, I dont think its a good idea to have them both loaded :\ |
| 18:50.11 | greycat | atom-z: you're welcome. |
| 18:50.20 | bmsleight | Hi All |
| 18:50.24 | cr3 | SlayerXP: nothing, should I see something in /var/log/dmesg or at the bottom of the dmesg command? |
| 18:50.27 | greycat | atom-z: sarge? /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 18:50.33 | atom-z | etch |
| 18:50.37 | greycat | close enough. |
| 18:50.41 | greycat | probably a sarge *install* |
| 18:50.42 | atom-z | heh ok |
| 18:50.42 | error403 | Are there known issues with firefox in debain stable at the moment? |
| 18:50.42 | SlayerXP | cr3: most likely yes. what device it is, exactly? |
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| 18:50.50 | greycat | error403: yes |
| 18:50.50 | atom-z | it is a sarge install |
| 18:50.55 | greycat | atom-z: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 18:50.55 | atom-z | just i then upgraded |
| 18:50.58 | atom-z | ok |
| 18:51.00 | atom-z | thanks |
| 18:51.00 | ircdevil | sup |
| 18:51.00 | SlayerXP | error403: no idea. /part #debian; /join #debain |
| 18:51.01 | error403 | greycat, any solutions? |
| 18:51.05 | greycat | error403: downgrade to -2 |
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| 18:51.21 | error403 | greycat, how? |
| 18:51.22 | cr3 | SlayerXP: a palm device |
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| 18:51.37 | ircdevil | how do i burn a cd of mp3s according to the order given in a m3u file? |
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| 18:51.49 | ircdevil | there is prolly some neat trick |
| 18:51.53 | SlayerXP | cr3: erk. I have no idea how they present themselves via USB. |
| 18:52.03 | error403 | greycat, i got 1.0.4-2sarge2 at the moment... |
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| 18:52.09 | greycat | error403: yes, that one's broken. |
| 18:52.11 | Lee__ | ircdevil: it's alphabetical. use filenames. |
| 18:52.12 | samuel | cr3, are you trying to sync it? |
| 18:52.17 | error403 | greycat, how do i downgrade? |
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| 18:52.27 | error403 | or should i use the official mozilla release? |
| 18:52.30 | greycat | error403: I *think* the newbie syntax would be "apt-get install mozilla-firefox=1.0.4-2" |
| 18:52.34 | Lee__ | apt-get install takes a version= argument, right? |
| 18:52.36 | greycat | error403: failing that, download it and dpkg -i it. |
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| 18:52.48 | error403 | ok, thanks greycat |
| 18:52.49 | cr3 | samuel: yes, I'm trying to use pilot-xfer. however, I need to provide the device or port, as the program calls it |
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| 18:53.07 | ircdevil | Lee__: what is alphabetical? |
| 18:53.08 | samuel | cr3, ok, its a bug - wait - lemme get you the page |
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| 18:53.32 | error403 | greycat, how did such an instability get into 'stable' ? :P |
| 18:53.47 | cr3 | samuel: cool! I was actually hitting my head against something this time (as opposed to air, most of the time) |
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| 18:54.02 | greycat | error403: it's a security update, and those don't have a rigorous QA |
| 18:54.12 | lakcaj | error403, comment out the security line in your sources.list file, remove mozilla-firefox, apt-get update, re-install mozilla-firefox, and then "hold" the firefox package. Uncomment the security line. |
| 18:54.13 | ryanakca | Where could I find boot.local on a debian system. |
| 18:54.31 | asg | ryanakca: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 18:54.37 | error403 | lakcaj, how do i hold the package? (sorry, not had to do it before...) |
| 18:54.41 | greycat | lakcaj: sounds convoluted. |
| 18:54.45 | lakcaj | !tell error403 about hold |
| 18:54.48 | bmsleight | I have been installing Debian using daily-images, /daily/i386/20050828/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso. After I installed the base system, I had a problme and had to exit to a shell "dhcpclient eth0" before I could continue. Whom shall I report this bug to ? |
| 18:54.54 | lakcaj | greycat, it literally takes about 2 minutes |
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| 18:55.00 | Lee__ | error403: pin it in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 18:55.08 | greycat | lakcaj: not if it takes 3 minutes to download a package list |
| 18:55.18 | greycat | or, I guess that part wouldn't have to be re-downloaded |
| 18:55.20 | Lee__ | I used this: |
| 18:55.21 | Lee__ | Package: mozilla-firefox |
| 18:55.21 | Lee__ | Pin: version 1.0.4-2 |
| 18:55.21 | Lee__ | Pin-Priority: 990 |
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| 18:55.33 | lakcaj | greycat, broadband my friend... broadband |
| 18:55.38 | greycat | lakcaj: doesn't "apt-get install mozilla-firefox=1.0.4-2" work? |
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| 18:55.46 | Lee__ | lame |
| 18:55.51 | error403 | greycat, it did, thanks |
| 18:55.58 | greycat | lakcaj: see? :) |
| 18:56.06 | greycat | even shit I've never used before, I know how to use ;-) |
| 18:56.09 | error403 | but holding will stop it killing everything the next time i apt-get upgrade? |
| 18:56.11 | __filip_ | someone knows how i can allow an IP to connect to me? |
| 18:56.13 | greycat | error403: yes |
| 18:56.14 | SlayerXP | i found a hand grenade in my garden earlier this week |
| 18:56.14 | Lee__ | 4 lines is the flood limit? that's really low. |
| 18:56.15 | lakcaj | no, you still just install mozilla-firefox, but temporarily without security, so it grabs sarge1 instead of sarge2, then hold mozilla firefox |
| 18:56.18 | joloc | anybody know a program to recursively list files (ls -R) in an ascii tree format, with output like ps --forest or pstree? |
| 18:56.32 | Blissex | joloc: guess... |
| 18:56.33 | greycat | Lee__: with 800 people in here (normally) it has to be low. |
| 18:56.34 | lakcaj | greycat, I've been doing it since the day mozilla-firefox sarge2 came out |
| 18:56.36 | SlayerXP | __filip_: can you be less specific? |
| 18:56.43 | samuel | cr3, the page is down, but you can find it in the google cache: http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:z2D4cc2kd34J:https://site-edit.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PalmZire31HOWTO+edit+/usr/share/gnome-pilot/devices.xml&hl=en |
| 18:56.53 | joloc | Blissex: hmm.. |
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| 18:56.56 | r3v | joloc: like the tree command? |
| 18:57.02 | Lee__ | __filip_: plug the IP into the switch? |
| 18:57.03 | xerophyte | with vim how can i save as different file name current edit file ? |
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| 18:57.12 | Lee__ | xerophyte: :w filename |
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| 18:57.16 | SlayerXP | xerophyte: esc :w filename |
| 18:57.19 | xerophyte | thx |
| 18:57.22 | ryanakca | asg: doesnt help, my instruction say they need boot.local. is there a substitute file that I could place "/sbin/modprobe wacom" so that I'm sure that it gets loaded at boot? |
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| 18:57.28 | __filip_ | SlayerXP: i have setup an ftp-server and i can connect to it but my frinds can not. someone say it was about that i dont allow there IPs. |
| 18:57.33 | samuel | cr3, or try this: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-pilot-list/2005-March/msg00032.html |
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| 18:57.46 | asg | ryanakca: put the module name in /etc/modules |
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| 18:57.57 | joloc | r3v: thanks |
| 18:57.59 | SlayerXP | __filip_: do the logs show rejected connections? what error message do they get, exactly? |
| 18:58.12 | samuel | cr3, problem is that every time a new palm comes out you need to find the vendor and product id and put it in the devices.xml file |
| 18:58.28 | __filip_ | hmm dont know. somethink like this: connected refused |
| 18:58.46 | Lee__ | __filip_: don't use FTP for your friends. |
| 18:58.51 | Lee__ | !ftp |
| 18:58.51 | dpkg | ftp is probably (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 18:58.55 | greycat | !ftp must die |
| 18:58.55 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 18:59.06 | SlayerXP | __filip_: that could be caused by pretty much anything. |
| 18:59.07 | Lee__ | you owe it to them to use ssh. |
| 18:59.15 | __filip_ | i whant to use ftp |
| 18:59.16 | greycat | !connection refused |
| 18:59.16 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 18:59.54 | XTF | Hi. What's the recommended way to invoke an init script? I thought it was invoke-rc.d, but someone said it's not. |
| 18:59.58 | SlayerXP | ssh is for lamers, I just open up my nfs server to the world |
| 19:00.10 | cr3 | samuel: the problem is that everytime I try to connect to a device /dev/ttyUSB*, I get: Unable to bind to port |
| 19:00.11 | greycat | XTF: /etc/init.d/foo {stop,start,restart,reload} |
| 19:00.15 | Lee__ | __filip_: good luck! |
| 19:00.15 | SlayerXP | XTF: /etc/init.d/scriptname action |
| 19:00.20 | |Comrade| | hola, i'v got /dev/hda1 contains a file system with errors check forced.... Unexpected inconsistency.. it looks like i lost the system wheter i do the man check or just control-D at the end the screen flickers a bit and the led on the screen turns orange again. anyone a solution pls |
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| 19:00.32 | __filip_ | Lee__: what you meen? |
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| 19:00.43 | samuel | cr3, udev? |
| 19:00.46 | __filip_ | can someone tell me how i allow some ip? |
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| 19:00.54 | Lee__ | __filip_: use ssh and your life will be simple and secure. use FTP and you're on your own. |
| 19:00.58 | greycat | __filip_: there is no default firewall in debian |
| 19:01.03 | XTF | What's bad about using invoke-rc.d anyway? |
| 19:01.05 | SlayerXP | |Comrade|: assuming you mean what I think you mean, boot into single user mode and run an fsck from there |
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| 19:01.22 | __filip_ | okej |
| 19:01.24 | Lee__ | XTF: I think that's the way to call it in scripts |
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| 19:01.28 | |Comrade| | k gonna try that |
| 19:01.30 | SlayerXP | greycat: there's no default packet filter, either :) |
| 19:01.51 | |Comrade| | i performed init 3 now but it seems to hang on starting syslogd |
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| 19:02.19 | greycat | what the bloody fuck...? |
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| 19:02.25 | SlayerXP | |Comrade|: reboot and type "linux single" at the grub or lilo prompt where "linux" is your default boot entry" |
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| 19:02.32 | greycat | |Comrade|: run levels 2 3 4 5 are all IDENTICAL in debian. |
| 19:02.44 | cr3 | samuel: I just installed udev, which removed usbmgr, and now /dev/ttyUSB* don't exist anymore |
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| 19:03.41 | samuel | cr3, try /dev/pilot |
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| 19:03.55 | samuel | cr3, make sure your palm is connected and trying to sync |
| 19:04.07 | samuel | since udev makes devices as it sees them |
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| 19:04.51 | samuel | cr3, the palm is not a *device* unless its trying to sync |
| 19:05.10 | cr3 | samuel: /dev/pilot doesn't exist anymore but it was there a second ago |
| 19:05.11 | mac_ | help... i have 2 machines, one all of a sudden can't connect to IRC servers... rest of Net accessed no problem |
| 19:05.15 | mac_ | tried xchat, irssi |
| 19:05.25 | greycat | mac_: your company probably blocked it. |
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| 19:05.29 | samuel | cr3, thats fine, use /dev/pilot to try to sync |
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| 19:05.47 | samuel | it will only exist when you are syncing |
| 19:05.51 | th0ger | How do i 'cp -r ~/.* somedir' so it does not include '..'? (it is an infinite loop!) |
| 19:05.53 | mac_ | greycat: no, both boxes connect to single LinkSYS router (home installation) |
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| 19:05.56 | greycat | th0ger: cp -a |
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| 19:06.14 | mollusk | is there a way to roll back the latest apt-get upgrade? |
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| 19:06.22 | greycat | mollusk: no |
| 19:06.29 | greycat | mollusk: you have to do it package by package |
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| 19:06.33 | SlayerXP | mollusk: not easily. |
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| 19:06.42 | antgel | mollusk: aptitude has logs of what happened. apt-get doesn't. |
| 19:06.42 | cr3 | samuel: worked! I had to press sync for udev to detect the device. |
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| 19:06.53 | _marcel_ | mac_: to freenode? |
| 19:06.54 | samuel | cr3, :) |
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| 19:06.55 | cr3 | samuel: thanks for your patience man, I'm so relieved. |
| 19:06.56 | greycat | th0ger: and never use .* as a file globbing pattern. |
| 19:07.01 | mac_ | _marcel_: yup |
| 19:07.01 | mollusk | does it log which packages were updated at a given time? |
| 19:07.01 | greycat | th0ger: point it at a whole *directory* instead |
| 19:07.11 | cr3 | samuel: what's the difference between usbmgr and udev? |
| 19:07.15 | mac_ | _marcel_: maybe others... but I don't use other servers |
| 19:07.16 | greycat | mollusk: dpkg 1.13 in unstable does. |
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| 19:07.22 | mollusk | antgel: ouch, thanks then |
| 19:07.28 | robin_sz | remnind me, because I have forgotten .. to install Java 1.4 on Sarge ... what exactly? |
| 19:07.33 | greycat | robin_sz: /msg dpkg java |
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| 19:07.48 | antgel | !topicsmite robin_sz |
| 19:07.49 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon robin_sz. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:08.00 | samuel | cr3, dunno - sorry, but ive never had probs with udev |
| 19:08.05 | _marcel_ | mac_: i had problems with no ident - but could connect after some tries |
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| 19:08.07 | th0ger | greycat: not possible, i need a backup of all my .* files, including .* dirs. But not all my documents |
| 19:08.12 | samuel | works like a charm with hal :) |
| 19:08.23 | |Comrade| | slayer does debian (fsck) knows what was where originaly to fix the 'file system errors' |
| 19:08.29 | |Comrade| | ? |
| 19:08.29 | greycat | th0ger: find . -name '.*' -type f -print | cpio -paduv /target |
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| 19:08.36 | antgel | th0ger: moving jobs? ;) |
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| 19:08.54 | greycat | th0ger: "including dirs"?? good god, you're sick |
| 19:08.55 | SlayerXP | |Comrade|: I don't understand the question. |
| 19:08.58 | th0ger | antgel: yes! :) |
| 19:09.18 | greycat | th0ger: if you're really brave, remove the -type f |
| 19:09.31 | greycat | th0ger: but I *doubt* it will work. |
| 19:09.52 | |Comrade| | i booted single user, run fsck, its doing pass 2 now... does that mean it will be fixed for sure? |
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| 19:10.02 | greycat | |Comrade|: no |
| 19:10.06 | antgel | i hesitate to ask but why is .* a silly glob? |
| 19:10.08 | robin_sz | topics, yeah, I mean who ever reads em huh? |
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| 19:10.17 | greycat | antgel: because it expands to . .. .profile .... |
| 19:10.21 | greycat | antgel: so he backs up .. |
| 19:10.23 | th0ger | greycat: im not brave |
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| 19:10.56 | antgel | robin_sz: BAD people? |
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| 19:11.05 | freyley | A |
| 19:11.06 | antgel | actually, GOOD people |
| 19:11.07 | madclicker | is there a package to enable java for mozilla? |
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| 19:11.22 | antgel | !topicsmite madclicker |
| 19:11.22 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon madclicker. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:11.22 | greycat | madclicker: /msg dpkg java |
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| 19:11.23 | stew | madclicker: /msg dpkg install java |
| 19:11.31 | r3v | greycat: you gave a find example, you happen to know how to escape spaces in results of find to pipe to another program? |
| 19:11.33 | robin_sz | mmmm |
| 19:11.39 | madclicker | roget |
| 19:11.44 | madclicker | roger |
| 19:11.44 | robin_sz | the java plugin for mozilla is a slightly different thing |
| 19:11.44 | |Comrade| | Unattached inode ... connect to /lost+found. is that a good idea then. I am suposed to accept what fsck sugests right |
| 19:11.59 | greycat | r3v: wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq#faq20 |
| 19:12.01 | madclicker | robin_sz: how so? |
| 19:12.12 | SlayerXP | |Comrade|: the alternative is that you do it manually. |
| 19:12.15 | werw | is dpkg bot off? |
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| 19:12.20 | greycat | !test |
| 19:12.21 | dpkg | Sorry, greycat, I didn't get your test. |
| 19:12.21 | SlayerXP | |Comrade|: you have backups, right? |
| 19:12.38 | toolbox | debianCreed: sorry, i got sidetracked. yes i got it all and appreciate your help. |
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| 19:12.42 | eka | hi all |
| 19:12.50 | |Comrade| | not complete backups |
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| 19:13.06 | SlayerXP | |Comrade|: sack your sysadmin _after_ he's tried to recover the data, then |
| 19:13.20 | eka | i need to install my laptop thru net diskless trhu bootp where can i get the debian boot image to send from my dhcp/bootp server? |
| 19:13.23 | toolbox | Caelum: thank you for the link, looks interesting |
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| 19:13.26 | werw | !joe |
| 19:13.26 | dpkg | The LAST ULTIMATE EDITOR, BETTER THAN ALL |
| 19:13.32 | antgel | !tell eka about install guide |
| 19:13.36 | SlayerXP | eka: okay, you have our permission to do so. |
| 19:13.43 | greycat | !d-i eka |
| 19:13.44 | dpkg | eka, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:14.41 | greycat | if yours works, keep it. |
| 19:15.00 | r3v | greycat: thanks, never knew that one |
| 19:15.05 | SlayerXP | oh fetlocks |
| 19:15.11 | SlayerXP | I'm out of pepsi :( |
| 19:15.17 | greycat | r3v: I took over the #bash FAQ because heiner's machine isn't always on |
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| 19:15.40 | madclicker | is there a log for mozilla strtup, i get this wiered behaviour in KDE, it just wont start, shows an hour glass and that dies |
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| 19:15.52 | SlayerXP | what's all this "n=" and "i=" nonsense, then? |
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| 19:15.57 | greycat | SlayerXP: freenode.net |
| 19:16.00 | antgel | madclicker: run it from a terminal |
| 19:16.03 | greycat | SlayerXP: replacement for "" and "~" |
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| 19:16.08 | SlayerXP | oh |
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| 19:16.54 | madclicker | antgel: i did "$mozilla" it jumped a line and nada |
| 19:17.11 | |Comrade| | hmz i don't get it its alright but after boot its the same story over and over again |
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| 19:17.39 | greycat | madclicker: try it without the $ |
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| 19:18.00 | Ungy | damn anyone remeber how to reference another sheet in a cell in gnumeric is it =@sheetname:C29? |
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| 19:18.07 | madclicker | greycat: lol, it was without it, i just showed my console prompt |
| 19:18.16 | greycat | madclicker: type -a mozilla |
| 19:18.21 | antgel | madclicker: ps ax |grep moz? |
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| 19:18.36 | greycat | ah, yes, it might be stopping because it detects itself |
| 19:19.03 | robin_sz | so ... one mor thing .. assume I have a nice sarge box, and a new, fresh, unsorted sarge box ... I do dpkg -get-selections on one .. and feed that into dpkg -set-selections on the new one ... then what ? |
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| 19:19.13 | greycat | robin_sz: dselect install |
| 19:19.15 | madclicker | antgel: thats it, it wont exit on "close" it is still in the processes |
| 19:19.20 | OneSeventeen | I installed the ATI video drivers by using Alien to make a .deb out of ati's official RPMs, and now I want to upgrade to a new version. I have the .deb I made via Alien of the new one, but am sure I need to remove the old one first. What do I need to do to change video drivers cleanly? |
| 19:19.28 | antgel | madclicker: kill it and try again. |
| 19:19.34 | greycat | !pal OneSeventeen |
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| 19:19.47 | SlayerXP | OneSeventeen: get a clue |
| 19:19.56 | robin_sz | greycat: presumably I shoudl go through and remove any hardware specific crap from the package list as well? |
| 19:19.58 | Ungy | !clue OneSeventeen |
| 19:20.03 | greycat | better, get X.org if you have an old enough Radeon |
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| 19:20.13 | antgel | OneSeventeen: i'm feeling less sarcastic as i just ate. remove the old package and install the new one. |
| 19:20.15 | greycat | fglrx is nothing but trouble |
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| 19:20.34 | antgel | (was that less sarcastic than normal?) |
| 19:20.38 | aurax | !clue Ungy |
| 19:20.49 | OneSeventeen | antgel: thanks, just making sure before I messed things up. |
| 19:20.49 | Quinn_Storm | that reminds me...any advice on picking a new video card? I've got an old matrox g450 and I want something that will also do dual-head (dual vga, don't have the cash for a dvi mon), and will do decent linux acceleration |
| 19:20.49 | Nomad_ | hmm, antgel: less sarcastic in here? Isn't that against the bylaws? |
| 19:20.50 | SlayerXP | greycat: my technical assessment of the current 64 bit release is "cromagnon bollocks" |
| 19:20.57 | madclicker | antgel: k, i know after i hup it it will run, but why doesn't it exit proper. It happens in majority when i hit a page with "java script" like i did just now on the intel's website |
| 19:20.59 | Nomad_ | I think you just violated some legal code somewhere |
| 19:21.02 | Ungy | aurex you want something? |
| 19:21.13 | aurax | lsd squares |
| 19:21.19 | OneSeventeen | I would go nVidia if given the choice... |
| 19:21.23 | antgel | madclicker: what version are you using? mozilla and debian? |
| 19:21.26 | robin_sz | so whats the weather like in NYC? should I pack shorts or ski gear? |
| 19:21.29 | tgwj | Quinn_Storm, for dual-head use nvidia with twinview (i say) |
| 19:21.29 | greycat | !javascript |
| 19:21.29 | dpkg | [javascript] A simple scripting language designed by Netscape to be embedded into HTML documents. It is unrelated to Java. See java.. EVIL! http://www.churchofsatan.com uses it, dontchaknow |
| 19:21.33 | Ungy | aurex sorry I haven't had any tabs laying around since i was 20 |
| 19:21.39 | aurax | dam |
| 19:21.45 | Quinn_Storm | tgwj: do they have any good dual VGA cards out there? most of what I've seen is VGA/DVI |
| 19:21.46 | |Comrade| | look its when gdm starts the system hangs |
| 19:21.47 | aurax | i knew debian are geeks rofler |
| 19:21.54 | antgel | i don't know why people still care about pc hardware brands. it's all made in the same factory, along with nike t-shirts and dishwashers of all makes |
| 19:21.57 | |Comrade| | where can i set to boot console and not gdm |
| 19:21.59 | OneSeventeen | ATI makes the worst drivers, that completely mangle OpenGL. (but 150FPS is not tolerable in glxgears, hence fglrx drivers) |
| 19:22.03 | tgwj | Quinn_Storm, dunno |
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| 19:22.19 | antgel | |Comrade|: remove the gdm package. have you read the debian reference? |
| 19:22.20 | bibe | |Comrade| : update-rc.d |
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| 19:22.31 | greycat | there's no JS on the front page of churchofsatan |
| 19:22.35 | Quinn_Storm | heh my matrox gets ~350 fps in glxgears |
| 19:22.42 | Quinn_Storm | at least it has a "mergedfb" (twinview) mode |
| 19:22.43 | antgel | |Comrade|: ignore bibe. |
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| 19:22.49 | madclicker | antgel: sarge offcourse and the mozilla version is the default |
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| 19:23.26 | hid3 | Hello. Is there any way to gater more info abou computer's ram? For example, how many modules there are, what capacity each of them has and what module in whick socket is inserted? |
| 19:23.26 | antgel | madclicker: you say of course. you'd be amazed. did you get security updates? apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox. |
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| 19:23.33 | debianCreed | Quinn_Storm: did you tweak XOEG? |
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| 19:23.39 | antgel | hid3: take the lid off. cat /proc/meminfo |
| 19:23.45 | sbk | I have a 3c905c card that appears to be getting very low Rx speeds, but full speed Tx rates. It reports (according to vortex-diag) 100baseTx and full-duplex. Suggestions to debug this further? |
| 19:23.48 | Caelum | OneSeventeen: in real world performance, the latest DRI drivers do a pretty good job and are less buggy then fglrx |
| 19:23.52 | Quinn_Storm | debianCreed: hmm? for matrox? |
| 19:24.02 | debianCreed | Quinn_Storm: yeah |
| 19:24.08 | greycat | ok, there's JS in the right hand frame on the "main" page. |
| 19:24.08 | debianCreed | what kinda matrox is it? |
| 19:24.08 | Quinn_Storm | debianCreed: link? |
| 19:24.14 | Quinn_Storm | debianCreed: g450 |
| 19:24.26 | samuel | what program do i use to extract debian packages? whats this "ar" format? |
| 19:24.30 | Quinn_Storm | debianCreed: I have the patched driver with pseudo-xinerama |
| 19:24.30 | cahoot | hid3: the eeprom module (i2c) gives that info |
| 19:24.34 | greycat | samuel: man ar |
| 19:24.34 | debianCreed | Quinn_Storm: is that equivalent to i810 Intel? |
| 19:24.34 | antgel | !tell samuel about reference |
| 19:24.39 | mathieu | samuel, dpkg -x |
| 19:24.39 | Quinn_Storm | debianCreed: nope |
| 19:24.40 | hid3 | antgel: The problem is that the computer isn't near me right now.. meminfo isn't very helpful here; mainly it displays used/free mem |
| 19:24.42 | madclicker | antgel: Debian/1.7.8-1sarge1, i get all the security from "security.debian.org" |
| 19:24.44 | debianCreed | 'cause intel gives me 290 |
| 19:24.54 | OneSeventeen | Caelum: googling DRI drivers now.... |
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| 19:24.57 | hid3 | cahoot: thanks, I'll try it |
| 19:24.57 | greycat | hid3: there's no way to tell, then. |
| 19:25.04 | samuel | thanks |
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| 19:25.19 | madclicker | antgel: but when i do "about:plugin" i get no java plug |
| 19:25.20 | antgel | madclicker: wow, firefox 1.7.8. think you are in a timewarp |
| 19:25.23 | Caelum | OneSeventeen: note that you need the kernel DRM radeon driver |
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| 19:26.07 | madclicker | antgel: not firefox, i cant get firefox to work proper, under debian one cannot install extensions nor theams |
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| 19:26.19 | greycat | madclicker: wrong. |
| 19:26.21 | madclicker | antgel: i use just mozilla |
| 19:26.34 | Caelum | OneSeventeen: and in your XF86Config-4 it helps to have mtrr, EnablePageFlip, AGPFastWrite and AGPMode on the highest possible (as long as those don't crash your system) |
| 19:26.39 | dos000 | is there a way to make block of code delimited with the >>EOF to output a bash var as opposed to just outputting the text instead ? i cant see it for the life of me |
| 19:26.51 | lunitik | greycat: thats about 2 years old... |
| 19:27.00 | greycat | dos000: What? Speak English. |
| 19:27.02 | tgwj | lunitik, so what ? |
| 19:27.09 | madclicker | greycat: last time i tried it didnt work , spoke to irc.mozilla.org they told me that "debian" butchers it the way they prefer it to work |
| 19:27.28 | lunitik | tgwj: so... its not as fast... and no one would use it with a brain... |
| 19:27.31 | greycat | madclicker: any firefox later than 0.8 that I've tried in Debian blows up horribly. |
| 19:27.37 | greycat | madclicker: so I have 0.8 on hold |
| 19:27.39 | antgel | madclicker: firstly, firefox is fine if you don't have the security update. extensions work fine. themes are for silly people. i don't know if the security updates fucked mozilla as well, but you could check the bts. |
| 19:27.56 | greycat | (plus, mozex was never updated for the 0.9 extension API so that's a no-brainer) |
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| 19:28.04 | lunitik | antgel: themes are for silly people? lol |
| 19:28.05 | OneSeventeen | Caelum: would the fact that I have an ATI Radeon Xpress 200M (laptop inbuilt chipset) keep me from using DRI? |
| 19:28.12 | antgel | greycat: do you mind going to this web page for me, please? http://antgelhax0r.com |
| 19:28.23 | tgwj | what do you think gcc4 will be integrated ? :P |
| 19:28.23 | greycat | antgel: the latest sarge security package is known to be bad |
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| 19:28.27 | Caelum | OneSeventeen: no |
| 19:28.27 | antgel | lunitik: thought i was /ignoring you |
| 19:28.30 | tgwj | s/what/when |
| 19:28.32 | lunitik | antgel: translation 'themes are broken, we know this, live with it, cuz its not getting fixed' |
| 19:28.36 | greycat | tgwj: packages.debian.org you nitwit. |
| 19:28.38 | lunitik | antgel: guess not? |
| 19:28.46 | madclicker | antgel: i like my fav them am funny that way :) |
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| 19:28.51 | dos000 | greycat: i need to output text . i am avoiding echo in my bash script. but i cannot figure how to output "evaluated" vars inside the code delimited by: cat >> text.c << "EOF" ..... EOF |
| 19:28.52 | antgel | lunitik: nope, give me a sec |
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| 19:29.02 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.04 | Lee__ | perhaps that update should be recalled since it's obviously broken? |
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| 19:29.32 | tgwj | greycat, i wanted to say when do you think gcc4 will be properly integrated and I'll be able to run sid with gnome |
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| 19:29.48 | greycat | dos000: 1) why are you avoiding echo? 2) don't quote the EOF and it'll perform variable substitutions inside the here document. |
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| 19:30.02 | lunitik | tgwj: its in right now... so presumably, gnome in sid is compiled with gcc4 |
| 19:30.04 | mwilson | You can run Sid with Gnome NOW. |
| 19:30.09 | greycat | tgwj: you mean "when will all the libraries that use the C++ ABI be updated?" I don't know. |
| 19:30.17 | mwilson | You just can't install the Gnome meta-package. |
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| 19:30.24 | greycat | C++ can go fuck itself. |
| 19:30.25 | lunitik | mwilson: not what he's asking... he wants a gcc4 compiled gnome. |
| 19:30.29 | tgwj | greycat, that's about the right direction |
| 19:30.30 | Caelum | OneSeventeen: here's my /etc/init.d/radeon: http://pastebin.com/349398 |
| 19:30.31 | lunitik | (speed increases etc) |
| 19:30.38 | Caelum | OneSeventeen: use that if you get mtrr issues |
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| 19:30.53 | lunitik | greycat: better memory management than c |
| 19:31.35 | tgwj | lunitik, gnome is compiled with gcc4, but a load of deps aren't |
| 19:31.36 | greycat | gnome doesn't USE c++. |
| 19:31.36 | dos000 | greycat: i am going to do plenty of echo otherwise. and its not funny. Also i could not make the version whithout the quote at all ! which was driving me nuts until i tried the quotes |
| 19:31.36 | antgel | madclicker: there is a political disagreement between mozilla and debian. have a look at the archives of d-s. |
| 19:31.36 | greycat | or at least, it didn't *used* to... |
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| 19:31.36 | greycat | dos000: /j #bash |
| 19:31.36 | tgwj | greycat, but many deps use c++ |
| 19:31.43 | mwilson | lunitik: What would be the particular point of that? |
| 19:31.43 | nfm | /dev/sda2 2612 18929 131074335 17 Hidden HPFS/NTFSP <---- how to i "unhide" this? somehow something changed it to hidden |
| 19:31.46 | dos000 | greycat, thanks |
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| 19:32.04 | lunitik | tgwj: no... nothing gnome depends on uses c++ ... maybe some things you want to use with it... |
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| 19:32.16 | Caelum | nfm: don't |
| 19:32.27 | Caelum | nfm: linux has no problems mounting hidden partitions |
| 19:32.33 | greycat | nfm: it's just the "17" being translated into words. |
| 19:32.35 | lunitik | mwilson: gcc4 apparently makes gnome run much faster... if you're asking for the point of this... I guess its lost on you. |
| 19:32.36 | nfm | yeah, but i want to see it in windows :) |
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| 19:33.02 | nfm | i just figured it worked ok in debian, so i dont have to format it |
| 19:33.17 | mwilson | lunitik: "apparently" is the key word. When I see actual benchmarks, I'll consider believing it. |
| 19:33.20 | greycat | nfm: change the 17 in (c)fdisk if you wish. |
| 19:33.27 | lunitik | mwilson: if you're talking about my statement about c++ and c ... well... c++ is more forgiving... more likely to have non-crap software... |
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| 19:33.35 | greycat | lunitik: HAhahahahaha |
| 19:33.43 | tgwj | lunitik, I'm not really sure... I tried setting up sid twice yesterday : only minimal install - sid upgrade - apt-get install gnome .... loads of dep errors.... second time sarge gnome- upgrade - gnome broken |
| 19:33.48 | greycat | actually that's so pathetic it's not even funny |
| 19:33.49 | antgel | lunitik: i got my /ignore sorted now. :) |
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| 19:34.08 | mwilson | tgwj: No, there are not "loads" of dep errors. There are two. |
| 19:34.18 | mwilson | tgwj: gpdf, and evince. |
| 19:34.19 | greycat | why would anyone run gnome? |
| 19:34.21 | lg | hello, how can i specify options for kernel modules at boot time? |
| 19:34.31 | antgel | greycat: eye-shandy |
| 19:34.31 | Caelum | c++ is an exercise in sado-masochism |
| 19:34.31 | greycat | lg: put them in the /etc/modules file |
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| 19:34.39 | greycat | Caelum: but less fun. |
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| 19:34.56 | tgwj | mwilson, I treid installing all the gnome-desktop-environment deps seperately ..... no go |
| 19:35.11 | lg | greycat, i did but at boot this module is loaded with default options :( |
| 19:35.11 | antgel | tgwj: sid is broken as fuck. |
| 19:35.19 | fanopnaic | lunitik: why? |
| 19:35.22 | mwilson | tgwj: If you say so. |
| 19:35.22 | greycat | lg: if you use a custom kernel, YOU LOSE. |
| 19:35.32 | lunitik | fanopnaic: why what? |
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| 19:35.35 | beardy | lunitik: /join #novell |
| 19:35.36 | tgwj | antgel, yes..... I just hoped it might be a bit cleaner now |
| 19:35.45 | cipo | after i upgrade to kernel 2.6.8, i cant use my nic. im using realtek 8139. what should i do next, ne1 can help me? |
| 19:35.46 | greycat | lg: if you use a debian kernel, everything that can be a module is a module, and you put the module name in /etc/modules followed yb the options (spaces between 'em) |
| 19:35.48 | lg | no its pkg kernel |
| 19:35.52 | lunitik | beardy: you mean #opensuse or #suse :/ |
| 19:35.54 | fanopnaic | lunitik: what bothers you with debian/this channel? |
| 19:35.57 | antgel | tgwj: you'll be lucky. suggest you use stable for the time being |
| 19:36.01 | beardy | lunitik: I mean what I say. |
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| 19:36.11 | lunitik | fanopnaic: everyone here appears to have a stick in their ass |
| 19:36.18 | tgwj | antgel, yes i am.... i installed it in german just for fun... |
| 19:36.18 | lunitik | fanopnaic: other than that? nothing :/ |
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| 19:36.38 | lunitik | beardy: try joining that channel... no one is in there... thanks though |
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| 19:36.39 | lg | wait, modules or modules.conf? |
| 19:36.43 | fanopnaic | what are the symptoms of a stick in the arse? |
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| 19:36.48 | mwilson | fanopnaic: That means we don't agree with his views on C vs C++, apparently. |
| 19:37.02 | greycat | lunitik: it's not a stick. it's the lingering rectal damage from having C++ shoved into our anuses repeatedly without lubricant. |
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| 19:37.07 | beardy | lunitik: Ok, before, #suse was redirected to #novell, or the other way around.. |
| 19:37.23 | lunitik | beardy: other way around |
| 19:37.31 | fanopnaic | heh, SUSE people tend to agree to his views on C(++) more? |
| 19:37.40 | greycat | lunitik: even after we pull it out and burn it, we STILL have to endure people saying C++ is the BESTEST LANGUAGE EVAR because they're 20 years old and learning it in college |
| 19:37.48 | lg | greycat, is it should be /etc/modules or /etc/modules.conf? |
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| 19:37.55 | lunitik | fanopnaic: no... they are surely more helpful though... not trying to start flamewars in here over dumb shit |
| 19:37.55 | greycat | lg: I meant what I said. |
| 19:37.59 | lakcaj | !tell lg about /etc/modules |
| 19:38.06 | beardy | fanopnaic: I wouldn't know about that, but he said he wanted suse. |
| 19:38.29 | lunitik | greycat: I didn't say that... I didn't even make a statement it was better than C... I just said it tends to result in better code... |
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| 19:38.38 | greycat | !start a language war |
| 19:38.38 | dpkg | BASIC is better than ML |
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| 19:38.51 | antgel | i'm _loving_ irssi. i can not only ignore lunatik, but all replies to him as well |
| 19:38.59 | take2 | can anyone tell me what's up with this error??? http://pastebin.com/349404 It's not the package perl because I've reinstalled 3 times and everytime it puts a different package with the same exact error... |
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| 19:39.09 | tgwj | what is ML ? |
| 19:39.09 | debianCreed | I have a problem |
| 19:39.14 | tgwj | !ML |
| 19:39.14 | dpkg | somebody said ml was meta-language, a functional language used by computer science professors to frustrate their students.. Mali, or short for Mailing List |
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| 19:39.20 | debianCreed | I no longer can paste from anywhere to Irssi |
| 19:39.24 | debianCreed | is or to VIM |
| 19:39.31 | debianCreed | from internet to VIM |
| 19:39.32 | debianCreed | vim |
| 19:39.35 | debianCreed | and to irssi |
| 19:39.44 | antgel | take2: perhaps you should google before you waste our time |
| 19:39.45 | debianCreed | when using XORG |
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| 19:39.50 | beardy | !enter |
| 19:39.50 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 19:39.52 | take2 | antgel, I have... |
| 19:40.02 | antgel | take2: 1 sec |
| 19:40.11 | cahoot | take2: try '/msg dpkg mmap' |
| 19:40.14 | atom-z | greycat, I edited the blacklist stuff and now only nvnet gets loaded. My mobo has two network ports on it, how can I see if nvnet has detected the second one? |
| 19:40.23 | kyncani | takatumi: you should google again for "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" |
| 19:40.23 | greycat | atom-z: dmesg |
| 19:40.26 | tgwj | *vi* is the worst thing that ever happened to unix |
| 19:40.27 | lg | ok, should i specify full path to module? couse modeprob finds it only with full path |
| 19:40.29 | greycat | atom-z: ifcongfig -a |
| 19:40.30 | atom-z | ok |
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| 19:40.33 | antgel | take2: and what did you find? |
| 19:40.38 | greycat | tgwj: nice attempt. |
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| 19:40.56 | lunitik | tgwj: quick way to edit files... care to explain your reasoning? |
| 19:41.01 | fanopnaic | Since we have so many programming language-savvy people here: What is a good language to develop GUI applications under linux? I did some stuff with C++ and gtk once, but that's not exactly comfortable. |
| 19:41.04 | debianCreed | tgwj: same with nano, I can't cut and paste PERIOD |
| 19:41.05 | atom-z | greycat, ah goodie, its there... Thanks |
| 19:41.10 | greycat | tgwj: and... you caught one. |
| 19:41.11 | beardy | !start an editor war |
| 19:41.11 | dpkg | emacs users are clueballs |
| 19:41.11 | debianCreed | is not about vi... |
| 19:41.18 | debianCreed | is not vi's fault |
| 19:41.19 | lunitik | debianCreed: screen |
| 19:41.20 | antgel | fanopnaic: depends what you wanna do. |
| 19:41.29 | Ungy | !lart vi users |
| 19:41.29 | atom-z | fanopnaic, depends |
| 19:41.38 | debianCreed | lunitik: yeah I have screen with several torrent |
| 19:41.44 | tgwj | debianCreed, i believe you, but *VI* sucks and is evil and a punishment to the programmer |
| 19:41.47 | atom-z | fanopnaic, the easiest is probably Kylix or something similar |
| 19:41.58 | debianCreed | tgwj: I ain't no programmer |
| 19:42.00 | Ungy | tgwj I fully agree |
| 19:42.11 | tgwj | and users even more |
| 19:42.14 | Ungy | ain't? |
| 19:42.14 | lunitik | fanopnaic: Mono is ok... as is python... most would say YOU CAN ONLY CODE FOR GNOME IN C though :/ |
| 19:42.18 | greycat | !ed |
| 19:42.18 | nite613 | documentation still had a lot fo throwbacks to pascal, though |
| 19:42.18 | dpkg | from memory, ed is the standard editor! http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~smikes/emacs/ed.html, or http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1991Jul11.031731.9260@athena.mit.edu&output=gplain |
| 19:42.21 | tgwj | !shut up about emacs |
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| 19:42.28 | TANATHOS | could i get some help? |
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| 19:42.36 | greycat | !tell TANATHOS about ask |
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| 19:42.42 | nite613 | TANATHOS: You could if you asked a question |
| 19:42.43 | Fendor | This is... Terrible. |
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| 19:42.52 | Ungy | tgmj you don't like emacs? |
| 19:42.53 | tgwj | !kill all vi users |
| 19:42.54 | atom-z | fanopnaic, the best language... personally I'de say C++, but most scripting languages have bindings for gui stuff now |
| 19:42.54 | fanopnaic | so there do exist libraries for qt/gtk/... for a lot of languages? |
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| 19:42.59 | lunitik | debianCreed: C-a esc sel text (space at beginning and end) ... C-a ] and voila |
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| 19:43.05 | antgel | tgwj: please stfu about vi |
| 19:43.08 | atom-z | fanopnaic, yeah, nearly all languages have bindings |
| 19:43.10 | r3v | Ungy: emacs is horrid |
| 19:43.11 | lunitik | fanopnaic: yes |
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| 19:43.18 | mac_ | how do I safely upgrade "e2fsprogs"? Get a warning from apt-get about it... about needing to temp uninstall it... and how this is bad... |
| 19:43.22 | tgwj | HA! I've done it !!!! |
| 19:43.27 | Ungy | r3v Emacs rocks you can even put it in vi mode if you wish ;-) |
| 19:43.29 | beardy | !stop an editor war |
| 19:43.33 | fanopnaic | ok, thanks a lot. |
| 19:43.42 | tgwj | !scite |
| 19:43.43 | r3v | Ungy: actually you can |
| 19:43.44 | TANATHOS | I would want to make a nat server and dunno where to get it or what is the package name |
| 19:43.55 | nite613 | TANATHOS: iptables |
| 19:44.00 | tgwj | WHAT ?! it doesn't know about SciTE |
| 19:44.02 | r3v | Ungy: glad to know you don't really know that much about anything before you comment on it |
| 19:44.13 | lunitik | fanopnaic: only good thing about Mono to me is speed of development... python renders slow apps.. but is very easy... |
| 19:44.17 | Mxyzpltk | TANATHOS: check netfilter.org documentation |
| 19:44.21 | antgel | none of you actually use the editors properly anyway, you just install one and use it religiously, and make statements like "notepad rocks" |
| 19:44.27 | aeacides | emacs does rock though |
| 19:44.34 | antgel | beardy: if you can't beat them... |
| 19:44.45 | mwilson | antgel: Speak for yourself. |
| 19:44.47 | fanopnaic | how about Perl && GUIs? Somebody told me it's a royal PIA. |
| 19:44.49 | Ungy | r3v tsk tsk sounds like you need to visit the church of emcs and join the cult |
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| 19:44.52 | debianCreed | o.O |
| 19:45.00 | tgwj | emacs rocks.... it rocks even more if you know how to use it... which i don't |
| 19:45.03 | debianCreed | lunitik: it tells me copy mode aborted |
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| 19:45.05 | antgel | fanopnaic: suggest you ditch the gui |
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| 19:45.17 | lunitik | debianCreed: then you fucked up... good job |
| 19:45.24 | debianCreed | tgwj: all linux elite use vim, Robbins, Oreilly, etc... |
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| 19:45.33 | debianCreed | lunitik: hold on |
| 19:45.38 | fanopnaic | heh ok |
| 19:45.43 | mwilson | Hm... no dinstall run yet |
| 19:45.44 | antgel | tgwj: so, you think it rocks even though you don't know how to use it. i bet you like nu-metal. |
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| 19:45.47 | beardy | antgel: do what? I probably have heard that saying, but don't remember, please enlighten me |
| 19:45.50 | atom-z | fanopnaic, only make a GUI if its absolutely necessary in perl |
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| 19:46.18 | Hecate | does Debian support PS/2 mouse? |
| 19:46.19 | tgwj | antgel, what is nu-metal ? does it have incremental serach har-har ? |
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| 19:46.26 | take2 | antgel, AH HA! I didn't look FAR ENOUGH. :) hehe, thanks! found it with a different search term! :) |
| 19:46.26 | Ungy | Hecate umm yes |
| 19:46.28 | beardy | Hecate: Yes. |
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| 19:46.37 | lunitik | Hecate: yes.... modprobe psmouse and use /dev/psaux |
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| 19:46.44 | Hecate | all right thanks |
| 19:46.45 | antgel | beardy: if you can't beat them, join them. i decided to chuck my tuppence in after my original boredom at the vi/emacs thing |
| 19:46.50 | lunitik | Hecate: also, make sure mousedev is loaded |
| 19:46.55 | mwilson | <sigh> I wish a2ps had an actual maintainer... |
| 19:47.11 | greycat | lunitik: nice assumption of 2.6 there. |
| 19:47.15 | beardy | antgel: Ah, ok :) |
| 19:47.18 | aarkerio | hi, I can't get any sound with gnome-recor or krecord, the mic works fine on windows |
| 19:47.24 | lunitik | greycat: thanks... I thought so too... |
| 19:47.26 | debianCreed | lunitik: it tells me copy mode, after that how do I select the damn text? |
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| 19:47.31 | lunitik | greycat: happy 2.2 user? |
| 19:47.35 | husein | hi all |
| 19:47.40 | Hecate | lunitik: All right i'll check that |
| 19:47.45 | tgwj | !coffee beardy |
| 19:47.54 | lunitik | Hecate: kernel 2.6? |
| 19:47.56 | beardy | Thanks. |
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| 19:48.02 | debianCreed | COPY MODE |
| 19:48.03 | take2 | is idling in here allowed? |
| 19:48.23 | beardy | take2: Not if you ask about it ;) |
| 19:48.27 | take2 | wait don't answer that... |
| 19:48.39 | take2 | lol beardy I just noticed the 400 people... |
| 19:48.41 | take2 | DUH |
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| 19:48.52 | tgwj | ok.... editors are boring..... we yould go over to languages again |
| 19:49.01 | Fendor | Hello natalia2, could you use some Debian assistance? |
| 19:49.02 | greycat | lunitik: I finally switched to 2.4.x a while back. |
| 19:49.09 | beardy | tgwj: No, enough. |
| 19:49.11 | greycat | lunitik: I avoided 2.4 like the plague until it stabilized around 2.4.18 |
| 19:49.14 | husein | i am trying to install newest testing debian from netinstall in my new hp portatil M2175EA. After doing the harddisk partition and install base system, it fail saying this: http://pastebin.com/349408 Any help friends?? |
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| 19:49.28 | husein | *portatil = laptop |
| 19:49.28 | tgwj | beardy, ok ... i've had my fun |
| 19:49.52 | lunitik | greycat: hmm... so you're one of the reasons gnome/kde in sid don't use hal by default... thanks for that. |
| 19:50.00 | Hecate | erm... how can i show ls results page by page |
| 19:50.11 | lunitik | Hecate: ls | less |
| 19:50.15 | greycat | lunitik: why do you think I use kde or gnome? |
| 19:50.17 | Hecate | all right thanks :) |
| 19:50.18 | ricky_clarkson | Hecate: ls | more |
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| 19:50.20 | greycat | do I *sound* like I use one of them? |
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| 19:50.31 | lunitik | greycat: irrelivant... |
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| 19:50.35 | take2 | brb. :) |
| 19:50.46 | Fendor | greycat, You know. I was an avid console user, till I realized KDE has its obvious merits. |
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| 19:51.02 | lunitik | greycat: no... you're way too 1337 for that... my bad |
| 19:51.04 | kspath | obvious? merits? |
| 19:51.06 | OneSeventeen | hmmmm... apparently the new ATI driver just makes your screen go black.... |
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| 19:51.23 | takeaction | there we go. |
| 19:51.23 | greycat | Fendor: I use fvwm. |
| 19:51.25 | antgel | why does this not ignore lunitik? i had it working yesterday /ignore -replies *!trey@*.ph.ph.cox.net all |
| 19:51.27 | Fendor | kspath, KIOslaves is a layer of abstraction not present in direct command line interaction. |
| 19:51.29 | antgel | i'm using irssi |
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| 19:51.38 | ricky_clarkson | I use parts of Gnome. |
| 19:51.50 | natalia2 | hi, how can I setup firefox to open abiword or openoffice when a .doc is clicked? (people keep working with .doc) |
| 19:52.08 | greycat | I used to try to use parts of gnome, until they released gnome 2.0 and the panel didn't work AT ALL. |
| 19:52.14 | antgel | natalia2: just go to open with and tick the save box |
| 19:52.14 | Fendor | kspath, And DCOP is a more powerful IPC than pipes. Furthermore, KDE can isolate the user from irrelevant details. And it looks gooood. |
| 19:52.14 | tgwj | natalia2, 'people' are a bunch of mindless jerks |
| 19:52.22 | beardy | natalia2: In the Settings or Options menu, under mime types? |
| 19:52.32 | greycat | and they blew off my bug report (you must have a nonstandard configuration!!! NOBODY would have an NFS mounted HOME dir!!! |
| 19:52.33 | ecobit | hi all, i have a question. i making my own .deb from a source package, i have some of my own files i want to include. where exactly do i put them? |
| 19:52.34 | lunitik | natalia2: should be able to say 'open with' in the right click menu... then select 'do this always with these files' or whatever it says... |
| 19:52.38 | natalia2 | I'll take a look |
| 19:52.54 | husein | any help for this crash while i am installing testing from netinstall?? --->http://pastebin.com/349408 |
| 19:52.55 | Hecate | lunitik: I got no psaux directory... by the way I'm using the 'Sarge' version of Debian |
| 19:52.58 | greycat | so I deduced gnome was no longer for me. |
| 19:53.06 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: That's sad. |
| 19:53.14 | tgwj | greycat, WHAT ??? NFS mounted home dir sounds quite sensible ! |
| 19:53.17 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Somewhat related in idiocy to 'why not mozilla'. |
| 19:53.20 | greycat | tgwj: not if you run gnome, apparently. |
| 19:53.20 | antgel | greycat: i did similar with kde. think it's quite common to go that direction |
| 19:53.38 | ricky_clarkson | !why not mozilla is <reply>https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84128 |
| 19:53.39 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: okay |
| 19:53.40 | kspath | greycat: fvwm is nice but have you tried openbox3 ? |
| 19:53.42 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: ^^ |
| 19:53.51 | debianCreed | what's better GNOME or KDE? |
| 19:53.56 | antgel | !poll |
| 19:53.56 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 19:53.57 | ricky_clarkson | debianCreed: Free will. |
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| 19:54.01 | beardy | debianCreed: The one you prefer. |
| 19:54.03 | Fendor | debianCreed, Seriously, don't ask that. |
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| 19:54.13 | greycat | kspath: no, there are dozens of WMs I never tried |
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| 19:54.14 | debianCreed | I use Fluxbox that's why I ask |
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| 19:54.31 | kspath | preference has the most to do with it |
| 19:54.37 | lunitik | debianCreed: you prefer eye candy... or a simplistic desktop? |
| 19:54.42 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: metacity is ok, but a little limited. |
| 19:54.51 | greycat | fvwm does what I need in a WM. |
| 19:54.55 | beardy | debianCreed: Don't ask, try them and get an opinion (and keep it for yourself :) ) |
| 19:55.02 | kspath | gnome with openbox --replace is nice |
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| 19:55.13 | antgel | debianCreed: ratpoision is better than both |
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| 19:55.18 | OneSeventeen | how do I connect to my debian laptop if the monitor is black? (i.e. can I use a crossover cable or anything like that?) |
| 19:55.23 | lunitik | antgel: I laughed |
| 19:55.26 | antgel | can't fucking type any more |
| 19:55.26 | ricky_clarkson | debianCreed: Which is better English or Spanish? |
| 19:55.30 | Quinn_Storm | I still want MovieOS...though perhaps once E17 is out it will be that :-P |
| 19:55.38 | luite | is it possible to configure traffic shaping in a 2.6 kernel so that the maximum traffic based on a 95% (monthly) calculation stays within a given limit, but that the server can use the full speed of the line for shorter periods of time? |
| 19:55.51 | greycat | luite: #iptables |
| 19:55.51 | beardy | OneSeventeen: If it's black!? What has that got to do with anything? |
| 19:55.51 | debianCreed | ricky_clarkson: honestly Spanish if you ask... |
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| 19:55.57 | ricky_clarkson | debianCreed: Based on what? |
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| 19:56.01 | luite | greycat: ok |
| 19:56.02 | luite | :) |
| 19:56.06 | beardy | OneSeventeen: Plug it in. |
| 19:56.09 | OneSeventeen | beardy: I meant blank, as in nothing is on the screen, but the laptop is on... |
| 19:56.17 | Hecate | lunitik: I got no psaux directory... by the way I'm using the 'Sarge' version of Debian |
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| 19:56.25 | greycat | Hecate: /dev/psaux is not a directory. |
| 19:56.28 | lunitik | Hecate: its not a dir. |
| 19:56.30 | atom-z | is it ok to not load the eth1394 module? |
| 19:56.33 | beardy | OneSeventeen: Use a cable between them. |
| 19:56.38 | greycat | atom-z: if you don't use it. |
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| 19:56.44 | debianCreed | based on culture, literature, language, linguistics, poetry, etc, etc |
| 19:56.44 | Hecate | okay |
| 19:56.45 | OneSeventeen | beardy: I'd laugh, but I just got this laptop running smoothly, and decided to "upgrade" my video drivers... |
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| 19:56.52 | ricky_clarkson | debianCreed: What about culture? |
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| 19:56.55 | lunitik | Hecate: you installed via 'linux26'? |
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| 19:56.56 | atom-z | greycat, ok |
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| 19:57.04 | debianCreed | ricky_clarkson: but english is aight... aiiiigh aaigigiht ya knwo what I mean??? |
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| 19:57.15 | lunitik | Hecate: if not... maybe greycat can help... I haven't used 2.4 in more than a year... |
| 19:57.18 | ricky_clarkson | debianCreed: So you mean it's just based on personal preference? |
| 19:57.26 | popey | I have a problem with Xorg and a DELL E771a. It whines.. a high pitched buzzing noise.. but ONLY when at 1024x768x75Hz. At 800x600 it doesn't. It also only seems to buzz when there's dark stuff predominantly on the screen. If it's light (like the google home page for example) then it makes no noise at all.. any ideas? I have used get-edid|parse-edid to generate the monitor section in my xorg.conf.. but it still does it.. |
| 19:57.28 | beardy | OneSeventeen: If it were running smoothly, why upgrade them? |
| 19:57.40 | Hecate | lunitik: via linux26? I used some iso found on the net... |
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| 19:57.43 | debianCreed | ricky_clarkson: do you know Spanish? learn it then you could compare |
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| 19:57.49 | greycat | popey: 1) use 800x600, or 2) ask #xorg |
| 19:57.49 | atom-z | greycat, its because my second network port (eth1) isnt seen as an Ethernet port. Its seen as: Link encap:UNSPEC. So I was thinking, maybe its a firewire conflict? |
| 19:57.51 | ricky_clarkson | debianCreed: SÃ, claro. |
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| 19:57.53 | Quinn_Storm | popey: thats a common thing with CRTs, I'd say try a different refresh rate. may not buzz at 60hz |
| 19:57.54 | debianCreed | learn and compare... brilliant!! |
| 19:57.58 | mattfury | hi |
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| 19:58.13 | debianCreed | ricky_clarkson: English is great for business, programming and science!! |
| 19:58.15 | OneSeventeen | beardy: trying to get updated ATI drivers hoping they would fix a few issues (i.e. 1FPS in Counter-Strike Source) |
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| 19:58.22 | greycat | atom-z: I'd try to find its birth in dmesg |
| 19:58.22 | lunitik | debianCreed: if you prefer eye candy, use KDE; if you favor simplicity, use GNOME... if you don't like functionality... use something else. |
| 19:58.28 | Quinn_Storm | some people can't even hear the buzzing/whining, depends on your age among other things (younger people can hear higher pitches) |
| 19:58.29 | mattfury | Quinn_Storm: i have one right now o_O |
| 19:58.30 | greycat | atom-z: see which driver created it |
| 19:58.31 | popey | Quinn_Storm: i don't know the relavent modelines to do that |
| 19:58.33 | ricky_clarkson | lunitik: Haha. |
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| 19:58.41 | Quinn_Storm | popey: I can't help with that unfortunately |
| 19:58.44 | popey | k |
| 19:58.47 | atom-z | greycat, ok |
| 19:58.48 | lunitik | Hecate: at install... did you type 'linux26'... or just hit enter? (I'm going to assume you just hit enter) |
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| 19:58.49 | greycat | (this is one of the places where BSD style interface names are better) |
| 19:58.53 | Quinn_Storm | mattfury: a CRT that buzzes? yeah I think we all know about that, it sucks |
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| 19:58.58 | greycat | (you know dc0 is from the dc(4) driver) |
| 19:58.59 | debianCreed | lunitik: thanks... that was helpful... |
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| 19:59.06 | Quinn_Storm | I have an ancient CRT here that only does 1024x768@43....and its blue channel is really weak |
| 19:59.07 | Hecate | lunitik: jup... |
| 19:59.12 | debianCreed | simple answer and straighforward |
| 19:59.19 | |Comrade| | howmany minutes can it take for syslogd to start up? |
| 19:59.21 | atom-z | greycat, eth1394: eth1: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0) |
| 19:59.27 | atom-z | greycat, looks promising :) |
| 19:59.28 | lunitik | Hecate: ask greycat... as I said, I haven't used 2.4 in over a year... and thats what you're using. |
| 19:59.34 | greycat | atom-z: yeah |
| 19:59.37 | mattfury | this is crazy |
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| 19:59.46 | Hecate | lunitik: All right thanks |
| 19:59.52 | greycat | Hecate: /dev/psaux should just *be there* if you use a 2.4.x kernel and no devfs shit. |
| 19:59.53 | Quinn_Storm | technically it should be running interlaced but my gfx card won't output interlaced... |
| 19:59.54 | beardy | |Comrade|: Depends on your hardware. Shouldn't take many milliseconds. |
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| 19:59.59 | greycat | Hecate: if not, see man MAKEDEV |
| 20:00.07 | Hecate | yeah I found it |
| 20:00.17 | husein | noone wanna help me, please?. Why this error after install system base netinstall: http://pastebin.com/349408 |
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| 20:00.26 | pem3v78 | hi |
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| 20:00.52 | Quinn_Storm | husein: weird...try apt-get dist-upgrade? assuming you have net on the box |
| 20:01.09 | Hecate | greycat: I tried to install the package Gnome but right now its pretty... strange the screen don't stop to blink every 5-7 seconds |
| 20:01.18 | greycat | I can't help you with gnome. |
| 20:01.24 | Quinn_Storm | Hecate: sounds like its trying and failing to start X constantly |
| 20:01.28 | greycat | I think I've made my opinion of gnome clear. |
| 20:01.33 | pem3v78 | I just installed sarge. On some network daemons I got 'connection closed by foreign host'. This happens on vsftpd and some telnet services. What could be wrong ? |
| 20:01.37 | Hecate | greycat: and It seems Xwindows cant start because there's some kind of error with the mouse |
| 20:01.48 | greycat | Hecate: so fix it. /var/log/X* |
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| 20:01.52 | Hecate | All right :) |
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| 20:02.15 | nvz | I got my CorePointer set to /dev/null on this box to avoid pointer errors |
| 20:02.26 | greycat | that works? |
| 20:02.29 | nvz | yep |
| 20:02.29 | beardy | Quinn_Storm: Why are you telling him to dist-upgrade? |
| 20:02.30 | greycat | (for you, I mean...) |
| 20:02.33 | natalia2 | I couldn't find mimetype under settings or options menu, right click doesn't show me an open with option, still ff do nothing when I click a .doc link. Any other tip? |
| 20:02.38 | nvz | its a synergy client |
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| 20:02.48 | greycat | nvz: okaaaaaay... |
| 20:02.50 | nvz | doesnt have a keyboard or mouse |
| 20:02.55 | lunitik | Hecate: does tail -n10 /var/log/Xorg.0.log state anything enlightening? |
| 20:02.58 | Quinn_Storm | beardy: because it sounds like he might have an outdated version of something |
| 20:03.01 | husein | Quinn_Storm: i can log in. It fail before i can log into debian |
| 20:03.04 | antgel | husein: you didn't help by snipping. that's two separate things. |
| 20:03.12 | Hecate | lunitik: lemme take a look |
| 20:03.14 | Quinn_Storm | husein: well try a re-install then? |
| 20:03.16 | antgel | Quinn_Storm: segfault is nothing to do with outdatedness |
| 20:03.18 | nvz | !+info synergy |
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| 20:03.25 | dpkg | synergy: (Share mouse and keyboard over the network), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 458 kB, Installed size: 1152 kB |
| 20:03.25 | antgel | Quinn_Storm: this is the worst advice ever |
| 20:03.27 | Quinn_Storm | antgel: it can, if its a bug thats been fixed |
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| 20:03.40 | antgel | Quinn_Storm: he's presumably using stable |
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| 20:03.53 | Quinn_Storm | antgel: stable != no bugs |
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| 20:03.59 | husein | Quinn_Storm: i did it for 4 times: install, install noapic nolapic and allways fails |
| 20:04.07 | antgel | Quinn_Storm: stable != updates for bug fixes |
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| 20:04.18 | Quinn_Storm | antgel: then why does anyone run it? |
| 20:04.29 | Quinn_Storm | bug fixes should be the only updates in stable |
| 20:04.38 | lunitik | Quinn_Storm: because they don't know how to upgrade ;) |
| 20:04.41 | greycat | Quinn_Storm: because presumably all the really bad bugs weren't *in* it when it released. |
| 20:04.44 | beardy | Quinn_Storm: No, but telling him, as I hope you see he is not an experienced user, to dist-upgrade is irresponsible and stupid. |
| 20:04.46 | antgel | !tell Quinn_Storm about stable |
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| 20:04.59 | lunitik | Quinn_Storm: stable gets only security related fixes |
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| 20:05.08 | greycat | lunitik: or severe bugs |
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| 20:05.10 | Quinn_Storm | ok, ok, I didn't realize the policy was that bizarre |
| 20:05.11 | lunitik | Quinn_Storm: backported from the things that go into sid *g* |
| 20:05.15 | nvz | I still need to work out some things about the synergy setup.. I'd like to have one single ssh connection that both starts it and tunnels it but I havent figured out how to start/login to X from ssh |
| 20:05.18 | madclicker | is tmda a functioning package? |
| 20:05.25 | greycat | madclicker: bugs.debian.org/tmda |
| 20:05.26 | antgel | Quinn_Storm: www.debian.org/releases. not bizarre if you rtfm |
| 20:05.40 | husein | antgel; i cant get into bash to do a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:05.50 | Quinn_Storm | antgel: its not that I didn't rtfm, I just expected a certain logic that isn't applied |
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| 20:05.50 | antgel | husein: good |
| 20:05.54 | madclicker | greycat: did tofmipd ever worked under any release? |
| 20:05.59 | lunitik | madclicker: apt-cache show tmda ... does it say anything about being transitional? |
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| 20:06.07 | greycat | madclicker: am I supposed to know what that is? |
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| 20:06.21 | antgel | Quinn_Storm: fine. the manual i read never said that stable gets bugfixes. |
| 20:06.24 | Hecate | lunitik:L ¸¸ |
| 20:06.24 | madclicker | greycat: please ignore |
| 20:06.24 | beardy | Quinn_Storm: update your logic then. |
| 20:06.28 | lunitik | greycat: why comment if you don't? |
| 20:06.31 | lunitik | Hecate: ? |
| 20:06.33 | sander | hi.. I got some problems setting up a DWL-G520 wlan-pci networking card |
| 20:06.39 | greycat | lunitik: because he asked me by name |
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| 20:06.40 | Hecate | héhé wait |
| 20:06.41 | sander | can anyone give me a hand? |
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| 20:06.45 | madclicker | anyone tried using TMDA on this channel? |
| 20:06.46 | husein | antgel: question is: which optiom must i type for boot(netinstall) for solve it? |
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| 20:06.54 | beardy | !tell sander about ask |
| 20:06.54 | antgel | !tell sander about ask |
| 20:07.08 | greycat | get madclicker while you're at it. |
| 20:07.12 | Hecate | lunitik: I'm a newbie with linux ;) ok it says theres no such file as Xorg.0.log in fact |
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| 20:07.18 | husein | antgel: kernel used is 2.6.8 |
| 20:07.20 | greycat | Hecate: there wouldn't be, in sarge. |
| 20:07.32 | greycat | Hecate: it would be XFree86.0.log or similar |
| 20:07.33 | atom-z | greycat, fixed it, and some wierd errors which occured before have gone too. Thanks |
| 20:07.34 | antgel | husein: i don't know. the log you pasted was unclear. if discover is segfaulting i would suspect faulty hardware. |
| 20:07.38 | Hecate | okay |
| 20:07.42 | sander | I say things like that.. to keep people on thei're work:;) |
| 20:07.48 | husein | i´ve nwver installed debian in a laptop |
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| 20:07.57 | antgel | husein: if you know the hardware is good, it could be a bug. |
| 20:08.18 | antgel | husein: try and boot knoppix. i think that runs discover at boot. |
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| 20:08.26 | antgel | ffs |
| 20:08.27 | Hecate | Sarge sucks? |
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| 20:08.30 | debianCreed | lunitik: what's wrong with Sarge? |
| 20:08.30 | greycat | Hecate: no. |
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| 20:08.35 | antgel | why does this not ignore lunitik? i had it working yesterday /ignore -replies *!trey@*.ph.ph.cox.net all |
| 20:08.38 | lunitik | Its kinda funny though... at release time... it was already outdated... lol |
| 20:08.40 | greycat | Hecate: lunitik is not giving practical advice. |
| 20:08.45 | husein | antgel: ein??. Knoppix works ok |
| 20:08.49 | Hecate | hehe all right |
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| 20:08.59 | debianCreed | Hecate: Sarge was the cutting age not long ago, in fact just previous to the latest Debian release |
| 20:09.05 | sander | to repeat myself.. how do I configure, and what packages do I need.. to get "DWL-G520 wlan-pci networking card" working? |
| 20:09.07 | antgel | husein: really? have you tried installing 2.4? |
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| 20:09.22 | Hecate | ok I though Sarge was the latest release |
| 20:09.24 | husein | 2.4. nop |
| 20:09.29 | antgel | sander: rather than repeating yourself, why not type something sensible |
| 20:09.37 | mac_ | apt-get seems to have developped a circular dependcy here... apt-get install libc6 depends on e2fsprogs, but the latter depends on the former... so now I get Internal Error, about how installation would require temp removal of an essential package, and how this is bad... what do I do??? |
| 20:09.37 | debianCreed | Hecate: si why SUCKS? |
| 20:09.39 | antgel | husein: try it. are you using the sarge release iso? |
| 20:09.39 | lunitik | Hecate: sarge doesn't suck... just... well... its a year old version of x... outdated throughout... |
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| 20:09.50 | greycat | sander: find out which chipset it has (lspci) |
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| 20:09.53 | greycat | !guidelinees |
| 20:09.54 | greycat | !guidelines |
| 20:09.55 | dpkg | 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading docs (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people). See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
| 20:09.56 | husein | antgel: i am trying it: :) |
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| 20:10.01 | atom-z | sarge was abit too old for my hardware :\ |
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| 20:10.19 | antgel | atom-z: no, your hardware was too new for sarge |
| 20:10.21 | sander | greycat, its a "Atheros Communication" chipset |
| 20:10.21 | greycat | maybe you need cheaper hardware. |
| 20:10.24 | Ronin | sarge too old? its only what 3 months old? |
| 20:10.25 | lunitik | Hecate: have you tried either Ubuntu or SUSE? Both are pretty nice... and far less outdated... I'd recommend SUSE... very clean. |
| 20:10.29 | debianCreed | atom-z: now that Sarge has become Official which one is the Testing? |
| 20:10.34 | greycat | !atheros |
| 20:10.34 | atom-z | etch |
| 20:10.35 | debianCreed | Sid? |
| 20:10.42 | greycat | Ronin: plus time spent frozen |
| 20:10.42 | cadu_ | !etcg |
| 20:10.46 | debianCreed | I use to use TEsting al the time |
| 20:10.50 | sander | greycat, I belive I need madwifi? |
| 20:10.50 | debianCreed | and back then was Sarge |
| 20:10.53 | Ronin | greycat: oh ya keep forgetting that |
| 20:10.53 | atom-z | sid is always unstable, he was the kid who broke toys |
| 20:10.54 | lunitik | Ronin: it was frozen far before that |
| 20:10.55 | antgel | now i remember why i was ignoring him |
| 20:10.55 | nvz | its less than 3 months old its only Aug 29, it was released Jun 6 |
| 20:10.57 | cadu_ | !etch |
| 20:10.57 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 20:11.00 | Hecate | Suse? All right I'll probably try it if Sarge is making too much trouble |
| 20:11.05 | greycat | sander: don't know. google for "debian atheros" or something. |
| 20:11.05 | lunitik | Ronin: software in there are around a year old. |
| 20:11.11 | cadu_ | SUSE is as good as debian ? :) |
| 20:11.16 | antgel | Hecate: poor plan |
| 20:11.19 | cadu_ | apt/dpkg kill it all ! |
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| 20:11.28 | Hecate | antgel: hehe really? |
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| 20:11.31 | lunitik | cadu_: yes... and its even better for a n00b... |
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| 20:11.39 | debianCreed | cadu_: nope, Debian is better |
| 20:11.46 | cadu_ | lunitik: easier setup ? i think debian is better :) |
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| 20:11.50 | antgel | ffs |
| 20:11.56 | antgel | !start a distro war |
| 20:11.56 | dpkg | Mandriva rox0rz! |
| 20:11.58 | cadu_ | nothing can be easiest than apt-get :) |
| 20:12.01 | cadu_ | !start a game war |
| 20:12.01 | dpkg | half life sucks rocks! |
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| 20:12.06 | cadu_ | 'sucks rocks' o_O |
| 20:12.09 | atom-z | suse and the like are great for people who know nothing about how linux and their hardware works (like people migrating from windows) |
| 20:12.18 | lunitik | cadu_: more manageable.... more familier (for n00b's) |
| 20:12.19 | debianCreed | lunitik: cadu_ I was n00b when I use linux and it was damn fine |
| 20:12.22 | nvz | Mandriva rox0rz Mandrake in the ass |
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| 20:12.26 | Hecate | atom-z: ehehe its perfect for me then :) |
| 20:12.28 | husein | antgel:so you said try it with 2.4. Any option when boots? |
| 20:12.37 | debianCreed | I am still n00b |
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| 20:12.41 | debianCreed | though |
| 20:12.42 | atom-z | Hecate, you've never used linux before? |
| 20:12.47 | antgel | husein: do you have any reason to give it options? |
| 20:12.51 | Hecate | atom-z: not really |
| 20:12.56 | lunitik | nvz: Mandriva = Mandrake still... nothing has really happened within the distro... :/ |
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| 20:13.11 | lunitik | nvz: they are apparently going to be using smart though... |
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| 20:13.18 | atom-z | Hecate, what hardware do you have? |
| 20:13.20 | cadu_ | Ubuntu = easy debian :-) |
| 20:13.21 | antgel | Hecate: there's a million websites out there comparing distros. if you tell us what you want to use your box for, we might be able to help |
| 20:13.27 | nvz | lunitik: they changed the name to something dumber than it was. like P Diddy or J-Lo did |
| 20:13.32 | lunitik | nvz: smartpm* |
| 20:13.33 | husein | antgel: perhaps try with sarge may help? |
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| 20:13.48 | antgel | husein: what? |
| 20:13.48 | Hecate | atom-z: Some old shit... I'm trying to make a server for testing some softs |
| 20:13.52 | lunitik | nvz: don't you know anything? its Diddy not... JUST DIDDY 8) |
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| 20:13.55 | greycat | nvz: maybe we should convince Debian to change their name. How about "D Love"? |
| 20:14.01 | antgel | Hecate: fix your tab completion |
| 20:14.06 | lunitik | nvz: s/not/now* |
| 20:14.08 | antgel | Hecate: ignore me |
| 20:14.08 | atom-z | Hecate, ah ok... sarge should probably work then, just dont try and use it on new stuff |
| 20:14.10 | nvz | greycat: don't even think about it |
| 20:14.17 | Hecate | all right :) |
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| 20:14.26 | husein | antgel: perhaps trying with sarge instead testing or any option when system boot first¿ |
| 20:14.28 | SerajewelKS | does a DHCP-configured router store info about the DHCP server it aquired a lease from, and how would i see this information? |
| 20:14.33 | SerajewelKS | s/router/interface/ |
| 20:14.43 | atom-z | greycat, following mandrake's example, maybe it should be called Apdriva |
| 20:14.46 | Hecate | I gotta go but i'll be back with more questions tomorrow cya all :) |
| 20:14.54 | greycat | SerajewelKS: a router that's a DHCP *client*? Are you fucking insane? |
| 20:14.55 | nvz | P Diddy dont even know how to spell his own name.. remember that song "the d the i the d the i the d the e the y its diddy" |
| 20:14.59 | nvz | or however it went |
| 20:15.00 | antgel | husein: speak english. are you trying a sarge cd? |
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| 20:15.04 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 20:15.10 | SerajewelKS | greycat, see my s/// |
| 20:15.18 | solemnwarning | what do i have to do to load the module psmouse at boot? |
| 20:15.18 | antgel | i wouldn't know a p diddy song if i heard it |
| 20:15.38 | Mortalman | greycat: debian = "D Love" That's funny. |
| 20:15.40 | greycat | SerajewelKS: well, on HP-UX it stores it in /etc/dhcpclient.data |
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| 20:15.41 | antgel | solemnwarning: google for debian load module on boot |
| 20:15.50 | husein | antgel: i am trying testing debian-testing-i386-netinst |
| 20:15.50 | SerajewelKS | greycat, i've been fighting a rogue router on this network, so the term "router" is kinda stuck up there |
| 20:15.56 | asuffield | greycat: well hp-ux is crack :P |
| 20:16.06 | lunitik | atom-z: umm... you realize the name is a merge of Connectiva and Mandrake? 5 letters from Mandrake, followed by 3 for Connectiva... |
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| 20:16.07 | ecobit | hmm, i am not finding anywhere in any debian documentation any mention of what to do when you are including your own file with a package to build. must one alter the package source itself? |
| 20:16.14 | antgel | husein: ffs. i wish i'd known that before wasting my time. why are you installing that and not stable? |
| 20:16.21 | SerajewelKS | greycat, i use debian... =P |
| 20:16.27 | bigwig | hello |
| 20:16.33 | Mortalman | hp-ux, "H"ockey"PUX" |
| 20:16.40 | atom-z | lunitik, no |
| 20:16.43 | bigwig | i would like to make a screenshot of one of my windows |
| 20:16.44 | greycat | SerajewelKS: so do I... but not as a DHCP client. |
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| 20:16.49 | bigwig | including the mouse pointer |
| 20:16.54 | greycat | Mortalman: no no, HP-sUX |
| 20:16.56 | SerajewelKS | greycat, might it have been stuffed in /proc? |
| 20:17.05 | husein | antgel: this is what i have in my pc. package more news |
| 20:17.06 | greycat | SerajewelKS: that wouldn't do much good since /proc goes away on boot. |
| 20:17.07 | Mortalman | greycat: That too. |
| 20:17.07 | bigwig | i have tried to turn on swcursor |
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| 20:17.13 | bigwig | but that did not help |
| 20:17.14 | ecobit | is it the "debian" way when building a package then to alter the source file/make process? i would have thought it is not |
| 20:17.15 | atom-z | lunitik, its still a silly name though |
| 20:17.18 | bigwig | could anyone help me? |
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| 20:17.20 | greycat | SerajewelKS: doesn't the man page say? |
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| 20:17.27 | atom-z | lunitik, almost as bad as Windows Vista |
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| 20:17.36 | SerajewelKS | greycat, the DHCP lease goes away too |
| 20:17.41 | greycat | FILES |
| 20:17.41 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.41 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.41 | lunitik | atom-z: indeed... but it beats being sued by the people that own the Mandrake name... |
| 20:18.02 | atom-z | oh, who own the Mandrake name? |
| 20:18.05 | antgel | husein: i don't understand you but i think you should install stable |
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| 20:18.10 | greycat | !dict mandrake |
| 20:18.11 | solemnwarning | antgel: Your search - "debian load module on boot" - did not match any documents. |
| 20:18.13 | dpkg | Dictionary 'mandrake' (1 of 23): . Mandrake \Man"drake\, n. [AS. mandragora, L. mandragoras, fr. Gr. ?: cf. F. mandragore.] 1. (Bot.) A low plant (Mandragora officinarum) of the Nightshade family, having a fleshy root, often forked, and supposed to resemble a man. It was therefore supposed to have animal life, and to cry out when pulled up. All parts of the plant are strongly narcotic. It is found in the Mediterranean region.. |
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| 20:18.26 | SerajewelKS | greycat, /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases is empty over here |
| 20:18.32 | lunitik | atom-z: I don't recall... but whoever owns Mandrake the Magician was sueing Mandrakelinux... |
| 20:18.39 | antgel | solemnwarning: lose the quotes |
| 20:18.40 | debianCreed | what happened to Slack? Did Slack disappear? |
| 20:18.40 | greycat | SerajewelKS: 'swhat the man page says. |
| 20:18.43 | husein | antgel: testing is here to get it |
| 20:18.48 | atom-z | lunitik, thats sad |
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| 20:18.52 | husein | antgel: testing is not unestable |
| 20:18.53 | atom-z | lunitik, ah well |
| 20:19.02 | antgel | husein: you're a funny guy. |
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| 20:19.22 | oskie | what's wrong when ogle just gives you a black screen? (but mplayer doesn't)? |
| 20:19.24 | lunitik | atom-z: that distro only lasted about an hour here though... not the best distro in the world ;) |
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| 20:19.47 | tuv | any body using ipw2200 with wpa2? |
| 20:19.49 | atom-z | lunitik, I used it before I decided to use debian on my new computer |
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| 20:19.58 | antgel | !tell tuv about anyone |
| 20:20.00 | znx | Shadowcat: :p |
| 20:20.14 | husein | antgel: and?? |
| 20:20.18 | lunitik | atom-z: should give SUSE another chance ;) |
| 20:20.22 | atom-z | lunitik, it was -ok- but various things were abit broken |
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| 20:20.48 | lunitik | atom-z: like what? now that they opened their bugzilla... you actually get to file such bugs :) |
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| 20:21.03 | natalia2 | does firefox use information on /etc/mailcap for openning files (i.e. .doc)? |
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| 20:21.14 | obtix | are there any reports of network troubles because of the hurricane? any major lines down or changes in traffic? |
| 20:21.20 | husein | antgel:fun will not solve anything |
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| 20:21.29 | cbr | what is a PreDependency? |
| 20:21.32 | tuv | i had ipw2200 ver. 1.0.4 running fine using wpa2. I upgraded to ipw2200 ver. 1.0.6 then i lost connectivity, although iwconfig and wpa_cli status shows i am connected! |
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| 20:21.43 | bigwig | bye |
| 20:21.45 | lunitik | cbr: something that must be installed first. |
| 20:21.46 | atom-z | lunitik, also, I found it annoying how I had to actually reboot my computer and go into a mega-gui-installer just to upgrade things |
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| 20:21.56 | tuv | btw, ipw2200 ver. 1.0.6 connects successfully without security |
| 20:21.59 | lunitik | cbr: presumably a build pre-depends... |
| 20:22.11 | tuv | only using wpa2 it has that problem |
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| 20:22.26 | antgel | husein: please use stable |
| 20:22.37 | obtix | anyone know? |
| 20:22.39 | husein | antgel; |
| 20:22.40 | tuv | any ideas? |
| 20:22.41 | lunitik | atom-z: eh... you can install suse via a nice ncurses interface if you like :/ |
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| 20:22.50 | tuv | any similar experience? |
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| 20:23.00 | husein | antgel: need any ISO is not so?ç |
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| 20:23.06 | cbr | lunitik: ok |
| 20:23.08 | debianCreed | o.O does Ctrl+a+:quit shutdown Screen completely not a individual window? |
| 20:23.09 | atom-z | lunitik, I take it you use suse, then? |
| 20:23.19 | atom-z | lunitik, or work for them? |
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| 20:23.38 | husein | antgel: need other iso for stable ?ç |
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| 20:23.53 | lunitik | atom-z: not currently... waiting on release... ftp install sucks currently... and you actually need all 5 cd's to get a basic desktop installed otherwise :/ |
| 20:23.55 | antgel | only cocks like gui installers |
| 20:24.02 | debianCreed | how to shutdown single screen on scree? |
| 20:24.11 | lunitik | debianCreed: exit |
| 20:24.14 | debianCreed | I think I just closed ALL opened windwos |
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| 20:24.33 | debianCreed | lunitik: Ctrl+a+:exit <-------- is that correct?? |
| 20:24.33 | lunitik | debianCreed: screen leaves the others open |
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| 20:24.36 | oskie | is there another DVD player out there (with menu support etc) other than ogle? |
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| 20:24.52 | lunitik | debianCreed: just hit exit in the current window... others are left alone. |
| 20:24.54 | antgel | oskie: mplayer but it's a crazy piece of software |
| 20:24.55 | tuv | any suggestion where i should post such question? |
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| 20:25.11 | debianCreed | too bad Screen doesn't support bash completion |
| 20:25.13 | greycat | !ipw2200 |
| 20:25.13 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-source-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200 |
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| 20:25.21 | lunitik | debianCreed: umm... it does |
| 20:25.22 | debianCreed | oh it does |
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| 20:25.27 | atom-z | lunitik, I see. |
| 20:25.31 | debianCreed | lunitik: my bad |
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| 20:25.34 | atom-z | lunitik, using debian in the mean time then? |
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| 20:25.42 | lunitik | debianCreed: each window is a seperate shell... |
| 20:26.01 | antgel | husein: yes. please go and read the install guide. |
| 20:26.06 | debianCreed | lunitik: does wicked horizontal screens work with ATERM? |
| 20:26.07 | antgel | !tell husein about install guide |
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| 20:26.11 | lunitik | atom-z: yup... although 'using' is an over statement... |
| 20:26.14 | rjarlote | hi all |
| 20:26.27 | lunitik | debianCreed: umm? |
| 20:26.28 | rjarlote | need help installing atmel usb wifi |
| 20:26.39 | rjarlote | i have installed the hotplug |
| 20:26.44 | debianCreed | lunitik: I am using ATERM and when I tried to use those multiple screen on a single window it freezes |
| 20:26.46 | rjarlote | also the atmel package |
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| 20:26.51 | debianCreed | that'd be awsome!!! |
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| 20:27.08 | rjarlote | and I'm looking the tutorial at: http://bulma.net/body.phtml?nIdNoticia=1993 |
| 20:27.13 | antgel | rjarlote: did you install the driver source? apt-cache search atmel |
| 20:27.17 | rjarlote | but really don't underestand |
| 20:27.19 | lunitik | atom-z: kde isn't installable... apparently gnome is borked... xfce4 is ok, but blah... others are more pain then they're worth... so i'm stuck in cli atm |
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| 20:27.30 | rjarlote | hi antgel yes |
| 20:27.34 | lunitik | debianCreed: guess not then... |
| 20:27.51 | Mortalman | Anyone know what dpkg(the bot) is written in ?? |
| 20:27.53 | debianCreed | lunitik: how may go back to the original shell in order to open a new screen?? |
| 20:27.58 | greycat | Mortalman: perl |
| 20:28.05 | lunitik | Mortalman: apt-get install blootbot |
| 20:28.09 | greycat | and entrails of newbie |
| 20:28.20 | atom-z | lunitik, you're using sid then? |
| 20:28.23 | debianCreed | lunitik: if I do CTRl+a+c it creates like another shell inside the shell that I am already in |
| 20:28.33 | lunitik | atom-z: yes... I'd never use testing or stable... |
| 20:28.34 | antgel | rjarlote: 1. i have no idea why people follow guides that aren't specific to their distribution. 2. did you install the at76c503a-source? |
| 20:28.37 | Mortalman | greycat: thanks |
| 20:28.46 | lunitik | atom-z: security fixes take too long to get into either... |
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| 20:28.57 | tgwj | can I somehow install a library from source that I have as debian binary and when i compile an app select which one to use ? |
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| 20:28.59 | lunitik | debianCreed: yes... a new window... |
| 20:29.02 | rjarlote | [antgel] yes it is installed |
| 20:29.08 | rjarlote | also i install wireles-tools |
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| 20:29.14 | greycat | tgwj: install it in /usr/local and then use -L at link time. |
| 20:29.17 | antgel | i don't wannt be a cock, but need to ask again as he's killing me. why does this not ignore lunitik? i had it working yesterday /ignore -replies *!trey@*.ph.ph.cox.net all |
| 20:29.21 | rjarlote | i bough a book and had been reading docs |
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| 20:29.32 | greycat | tgwj: you may also need to be prepared to use LD_LIBRARY_PATH at run time. |
| 20:29.32 | antgel | rjarlote: and have you built the driver? |
| 20:29.39 | greycat | tgwj: man pages. lots of them. go. |
| 20:29.52 | rjarlote | [antgel] you mean "make install" ?? |
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| 20:30.06 | antgel | rjarlote: no. i mean read the package documentation |
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| 20:30.17 | lunitik | greycat: can't even point him at the correct man page(s)? wow... such a great help |
| 20:30.24 | jethro | antgel: because it's *!n=trey@... ? |
| 20:30.29 | greycat | man ld.so for starters |
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| 20:30.31 | rjarlote | [antgel] ok, let me read sorry |
| 20:30.31 | greycat | and man ld |
| 20:30.35 | antgel | fuck, thatks :D |
| 20:30.40 | antgel | :/ |
| 20:30.45 | rjarlote | :-p |
| 20:30.50 | atom-z | antgel, try *!*trey... there is the n=trey bit |
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| 20:31.03 | tgwj | greycat, assuming I want to build a autotools project with a patched libsdl ? |
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| 20:32.08 | tgwj | would I use -I in CFLAGS and -L in LDFLAGS ? |
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| 20:32.12 | atom-z | here come the spambots |
| 20:32.16 | atom-z | (probably) |
| 20:32.18 | tgwj | (does LDFLAGS exist ?) |
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| 20:32.31 | jhaig | Can someone help with NFS please? I have a newly installed Debian 3.1 (testing) and mounted /home as an NFS share. When I try to log in as a user (or do 'ls /home') it hangs and /var/log/messages gets errors "nfs: server 192.168.0.2 not responding, still trying". I can ping the server, and other machines on the network are using nfs OK. |
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| 20:33.15 | jhaig | When I mount I get a message saying that the mount version is older then the kernel - this may be relevant. |
| 20:33.18 | tgwj | or would I only use CCFLAGS and LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? |
| 20:34.04 | antgel | jhaig: as you're not using stable, have you checked the bts? |
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| 20:34.30 | antgel | there's even less point in installing testing than usual at the moment, as there was a stable release not long ago |
| 20:35.16 | jhaig | antgel: bts? |
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| 20:35.37 | atom-z | antgel, except that someone put support for my hardware into etch |
| 20:35.45 | intero | do i need /dev/sequencer to play a midi file? |
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| 20:36.06 | debianCreed | lunitik: how may I open the rest of the screens so I can cycle them as I please? |
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| 20:36.21 | streuner | jhaig: have you ever read /topic ? |
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| 20:36.51 | debianCreed | lunitik: is there a way to open all the screen within a single shell? |
| 20:37.11 | tgwj | If I wanted to compile a program with a patched library in /usr/local, would i use CFLAGS="-I/usr/local/include" and LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/local/lib:/usr/lib:/lib" ? |
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| 20:37.54 | tgwj | or would i need more options ? |
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| 20:39.34 | debianCreed | tgwj: did you say COMPILE!!! COMPILE with Debian?? did I just hear that word? |
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| 20:40.09 | tgwj | debianCreed, let's asume I wish to install a very unstable version of an app ? |
| 20:40.11 | debianCreed | please I need help to open multiple screens |
| 20:40.14 | tgwj | in debian stable |
| 20:40.41 | debianCreed | tgwj: I was being sarcastic because Debianers thrash Gentooers for compiling stuff |
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| 20:40.42 | streuner | !tell tgwj about simple sid backport |
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| 20:41.04 | mr_clark | Hi guys. Is there a kernel-source for 2.6.12 available? |
| 20:41.05 | debianCreed | I need help in showing multiple screens within a sinlge shell |
| 20:41.06 | debianCreed | pelase |
| 20:41.16 | lunitik | debianCreed: man screen |
| 20:41.19 | mr_clark | I just updated and need the source to reconfigure VMWare. |
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| 20:41.20 | omry | I want to upgrade my kernel (2.6.8) to something newer. what's the recommanded way to go? download source from kernel.org or apt-getting a binary? |
| 20:41.21 | streuner | mr_clark: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:41.46 | lunitik | debianCreed: debian has a very good compile mechanism... apt-get -b source :/ |
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| 20:41.49 | Blissex | debianCreed: «for compiling stuff» *needlessly*. If there is a good reason fine, but Gentoo involves a lot of _pointless_ compiling. |
| 20:41.55 | streuner | omry: if you running stable you usually compile it for yourself |
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| 20:42.12 | omry | streuner, I am running testing. |
| 20:42.15 | streuner | but some people just download it from etch or sid |
| 20:42.28 | Blissex | omry: always apt-get a binary -- kernel binaries are essentially independent from the 'stable'/'unstable' story. |
| 20:42.37 | Mortalman | Does debian3.1r0a include some type of bnc program ?? |
| 20:42.40 | streuner | omry: do you have a special reason? |
| 20:42.43 | Blissex | omry: and running 'testing' right now is crazy. |
| 20:43.04 | debianCreed | lunitik: exit UNKNOWN command |
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| 20:43.22 | landover | thanks to all debian :) |
| 20:43.25 | omry | streuner, nothing special, just want to know how to do it. I have another machine at work with 2.4 and I wasn't able to upgrade it. |
| 20:43.30 | lunitik | debianCreed: you're just typing 'exit' at the shell prompt? |
| 20:43.34 | omry | Blissex, why is that? |
| 20:43.38 | antgel | atom-z: there's always one :) |
| 20:43.41 | woodland | hi |
| 20:43.45 | streuner | omry: what version of debian? |
| 20:43.46 | antgel | jhaig: /msg dpkg bts |
| 20:44.06 | omry | streuner, on this machine, etch. |
| 20:44.09 | tgwj | If I wanted to compile a program with a patched library in /usr/local, would i use CFLAGS="-I/usr/local/include" and LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/local/lib:/usr/lib:/lib" ? |
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| 20:44.12 | debianCreed | lunitik: I am donig this in the screen I wanna shutdown forever Ctrl+a+:exit |
| 20:44.18 | debianCreed | and tells me command not found |
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| 20:44.21 | Blissex | omry: because right now 'testing' is a very unstructured mixture of most 'stable' and some 'unstable' and 'unstable' is doing a piecemeal series of ABI changes. |
| 20:44.25 | streuner | omry: /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:44.45 | lunitik | debianCreed: ffs... just type 'exit'... idiot |
| 20:44.47 | Blissex | omry: which means that 'testing' gets a lot of ABI inconsistencies. |
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| 20:45.00 | omry | Blissex, ABI? |
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| 20:45.13 | debianCreed | @_@ idiot??? |
| 20:45.15 | streuner | Blissex: what version of debian do you running actually? |
| 20:45.16 | lunitik | omry: Application Binary Interface |
| 20:45.35 | Blissex | omry: if you don't know about ABIs you should definitely only running 'stable' |
| 20:45.38 | stew | Blissex: which abi is changing other then c++? |
| 20:45.40 | lunitik | debianCreed: yes... I told you 4 times now... just type 'exit'... still its not sinking in... so you're officially an idiot |
| 20:45.51 | Blissex | stew: GNU LIBC? QT? |
| 20:45.56 | debianCreed | lunitik: it worked :-> |
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| 20:46.17 | omry | Blissex, is downgrading an option at all? |
| 20:46.21 | stew | omry: no |
| 20:46.23 | omry | because I am NOT reinstalling. |
| 20:46.34 | debianCreed | uh oh mod wars going on... |
| 20:47.07 | Blissex | streuner: I am running a very very unholy mess of whatever, including Ubuntu stuff (Xorg and KDE 3.4.2) and bits and pieces, but mostly 'stable'. And I really know what I am doing. |
| 20:47.20 | deepz | i have transcend USB 40Gb harddrive sarge 2.4 kernel it has idetified usb |
| 20:47.25 | deepz | i have checked it |
| 20:47.28 | abrotman | SHALL WE PLAY A GAME? |
| 20:47.36 | deepz | how do i mount it |
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| 20:47.41 | streuner | Blissex: well, what people do and what they saying are two different stories ;-) |
| 20:47.42 | LabThug | Anyone know a document that discusses how to email cron reports to a different user? |
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| 20:47.59 | abrotman | LabThug: man crontab iirc .. MAILTO iirc |
| 20:48.05 | Blissex | streuner: note also that there is only one version of Debian, which is 'stable'; the others are not versionms, they are random collections of packages... |
| 20:48.17 | Blissex | streuner: I would call them ''states'' more than versions. |
| 20:48.23 | LabThug | abrotman: thanks. Also, "how about GlobalThermoNuclearWar" |
| 20:48.34 | streuner | Blissex: sounds you are an expert of mixing of different distro together |
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| 20:48.58 | Blissex | streuner: as to 'dont do as I do, do as I say'', yes, I know what I am doing... :@-) |
| 20:48.59 | streuner | Blissex: but you know for sure, testing isn't _THAT_ good.... |
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| 20:49.28 | Blissex | streuner: I am an expert at mixing bits and pieces, but that bites even me sometimes... |
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| 20:50.13 | error403 | Is it me, or are there some issues with installing Firefox themes with the repo version of firefox? |
| 20:50.21 | Blissex | omry: 'testing' is fairly safe towards the _end_ of a release cycle, when all ABI updates have gone thru, and most packages in that state are consistent. |
| 20:50.24 | antgel | error403: did you check the bts? |
| 20:50.32 | error403 | antgel, bts? |
| 20:50.38 | antgel | yes, bts |
| 20:50.44 | omry | Blissex, so far I didn't encounter too many brakeges. |
| 20:50.46 | abrotman | LabThug: close .. not quite |
| 20:50.57 | omry | Blissex, I don't expect testing to be stable. just resonable. |
| 20:51.06 | LabThug | abrotman: been a while since I've seen that....Joshua |
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| 20:51.23 | Blissex | omry: the problem is not so much stability it is inconsistency... |
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| 20:51.54 | streuner | Blissex: so what would you recommend? |
| 20:51.54 | abrotman | LabThug: yeah ... but it wasn't Joshua asking IIRC .. it was the kid |
| 20:51.55 | Blissex | omry: some packages may be for ABI 1 and some for ABI 2, even within the same collection. |
| 20:52.02 | streuner | Blissex: ubuntu? |
| 20:52.09 | antgel | omry: your expectation is unfounded. www.debian.org/releases |
| 20:52.11 | LabThug | yep, joshua was the code he used to get in |
| 20:52.19 | abrotman | joshua was the name of whopper |
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| 20:52.39 | dondelelcaro | streuner: no, not really. It'd have to be written in TCL anyway. |
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| 20:52.48 | Blissex | streuner: omry: right now the best is to stick to 'stable', and perhaps get bits from Ubuntu Hoary, which is almost completely compatibled with Sarge. |
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| 20:53.00 | streuner | dondelelcaro: heh? |
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| 20:53.15 | dondelelcaro | streuner: the spambot thing you're talking about |
| 20:53.21 | streuner | ah |
| 20:53.33 | Blissex | streuner: omry: the advantage of getting stuff from Hoary is that they don't necessarily have the ''no new stuff, only bug fixes'' policy Debian have. |
| 20:53.38 | streuner | dondelelcaro: that's a mess then... |
| 20:53.55 | Blissex | streuner: omry: basically I am using Hoary as a kind of Sarge ''backports'' :-). |
| 20:53.59 | mwilson | How is Hoary "almost completely compatible with Sarge"? |
| 20:54.16 | omry | Blissex, you think stable + hoary is more consistent than just testing? |
| 20:54.21 | Blissex | mwilson: uses mostly the same ABIs... |
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| 20:54.39 | antgel | omry: if you're new to this, i _strongly_ advise you to just just stable. |
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| 20:54.42 | Blissex | omry: yes, because at least there is consistency within a collection of packages. |
| 20:54.47 | antgel | s/just just /just use/ |
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| 20:55.13 | igor47 | hey, my install is missing the psmouse module. is there any way to get it without downloading and compiling a kernel? |
| 20:55.16 | omry | antgel, I am on testing for a year now, and upgrading regularly. |
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| 20:56.01 | antgel | igor47: what do you mean "missing"? |
| 20:56.02 | Blissex | omry: the problem with 'testing' is collection of packages: they don't necessarily enter 'testing' all at the same time. |
| 20:56.11 | stew | igor47: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 20:56.40 | Skakid | wahoooooo |
| 20:56.41 | omry | Blissex, yes. understood. there is always an option to upgrade something manually if needed. |
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| 20:57.18 | Skakid | lolz |
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| 20:57.37 | Blissex | omry: well, if you can manually fix collections that are half here and half there, then no problem. I can, but I don't expect man y people to be able to figure out things like that. |
| 20:57.39 | tezra | can anyone tell me a server to rsync dvd sarge images? |
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| 20:58.10 | Blissex | tezra: BT would be a much better idea... |
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| 20:58.32 | bobbytux | bonsoir |
| 20:58.34 | tezra | Blissex, I got the images already, doanloaded from work, but md5 differs, and im on modem at home.. |
| 20:58.35 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 20:58.41 | tezra | plus i cant use bt at work |
| 20:58.46 | tgwj | !screw up |
| 20:58.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, screw up is the best way to learn GNU/Linux |
| 20:58.47 | Blissex | tezra: ah, thats a special case. |
| 20:58.52 | bobbytux | i mean lo * |
| 20:58.52 | tezra | yeapy :) |
| 20:58.52 | solemnwarning | on my laptop debian 3.1 (sarge) wont detect my keyboard after install |
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| 20:58.59 | Blissex | tezra: mirror.ac.uk should have that. |
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| 20:59.04 | green_earz | tezra: use jigdo-lite |
| 20:59.05 | omry | Blissex, I did it before. I am not be a master in it, and generally I try to avoid it. |
| 20:59.07 | solemnwarning | whats chance of 3.2 - etch detecting my keyboard? |
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| 20:59.18 | streuner | dondelelcaro: have you started to code it? |
| 20:59.18 | solemnwarning | fedora and gentoo detect kb btw |
| 20:59.31 | abrotman | install hotplug |
| 20:59.32 | tezra | green_earz, but i just want to invoke rsync directly, why download jigdo? |
| 20:59.34 | tgwj | solemnwarning, who says etch will be 3.2 ? |
| 20:59.34 | baz | solemnwarning: you don't want to run etch |
| 20:59.42 | samuel | is there a way to find out what distribution someone is running? |
| 20:59.43 | solemnwarning | i dunno |
| 20:59.49 | streuner | dondelelcaro: debhelper did some bans... |
| 20:59.53 | solemnwarning | i thought it was going 3.1 -> 3.2 |
| 20:59.57 | baz | samuel: ask them? |
| 20:59.59 | tgwj | etch = almost sarge at the moment |
| 21:00.10 | solemnwarning | so what should i use to make keyboard work? |
| 21:00.13 | samuel | some variable or something? baz what if they dont know? |
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| 21:00.26 | SerajewelKS | samuel, you could ask them... |
| 21:00.26 | tgwj | maybe it'll be 4.0 ... I think they already started discussing that |
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| 21:00.36 | Mortalman | Does debian not provide a BNC solution as part of the distro ? |
| 21:00.39 | Ronin | that will teach me to pull the power adapter blindly |
| 21:00.39 | samuel | SerajewelKS, what if they dont know? |
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| 21:00.47 | baz | samuel: if it's debian, get them to cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:00.47 | green_earz | tezra: how have you download the iso ? |
| 21:00.47 | abrotman | Mortalman: bnc is a connecotr |
| 21:00.52 | SerajewelKS | samuel, then you ask why they're using debian at all |
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| 21:00.56 | LabThug | abrotman: umm, sorry, I mean the cron reports that are in /etc/cron.daily (not the one's in a user's crontab) how do I email those to an account on another host? |
| 21:00.56 | abrotman | green_earz: you darn troll! :) |
| 21:00.59 | igor47 | sorry, i got disconnected for a moment |
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| 21:01.02 | samuel | baz, thanks |
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| 21:01.05 | tezra | green_earz, free download manager for windows :P at work |
| 21:01.09 | tezra | now im at home |
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| 21:01.13 | abrotman | LabThug: set up exim to use smart host |
| 21:01.17 | tezra | and just have the .iso files |
| 21:01.20 | rjarlote | lots of sorry antgel I can't find the doc abour the at76c503a-source |
| 21:01.25 | abrotman | LabThug: but they'll still go to root until you cahnge it |
| 21:01.28 | rjarlote | I have the package installed |
| 21:01.32 | igor47 | there is no module psmouse, so X won't start. ie, when i do modprobe psmouse, i get "can't locate" |
| 21:01.33 | baz | LabThug: /etc/cron.daily is called from /etc/crontab - just apply the rule in there |
| 21:01.34 | rjarlote | but don't know where |
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| 21:01.37 | green_earz | abrotman: who me, its you again. haa your troll |
| 21:01.38 | Mortalman | abrotman: BNC is an IRC bouncer. |
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| 21:01.46 | robin_sz | If I was tracking testing, which is now stable .. |
| 21:01.49 | abrotman | green_earz: no! :) |
| 21:01.55 | tgwj | !bnc |
| 21:01.55 | dpkg | [bnc] a connector for coaxial cable such as that used for some video connections and RG58, cheapernet, connections. A BNC connector has a bayonet-type shell with two small knobs on the female connector which lock into spiral slots in the male connector when it is twisted on. used for old workstation monitors, or an IRC session bouncing proxy. Blue Nipple Cover |
| 21:01.58 | robin_sz | do I need to change my sources list to stable? |
| 21:01.59 | green_earz | haaaaaaa |
| 21:02.00 | abrotman | robin_sz: and your sources point at what? |
| 21:02.02 | LabThug | root's mail is set to forward to off host, but they're not getting there. I'll try the smart-host feature. Thanks! |
| 21:02.17 | robin_sz | abrotman: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib |
| 21:02.18 | abrotman | LabThug: that would be very odd .. |
| 21:02.28 | abrotman | robin_sz: you're now running etch .. congratulations! |
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| 21:02.39 | robin_sz | no, becuse I havent upgraded |
| 21:02.45 | abrotman | since july 4th? |
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| 21:02.50 | abrotman | or whenever it was |
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| 21:02.52 | Daffy-PKF | the flashplayer installer asks me for the installation path, should i say "/usr/lib/mozilla" or "/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox"? |
| 21:03.04 | robin_sz | abrotman: this box hasnt been poweed up for ages |
| 21:03.06 | abrotman | June 6th |
| 21:03.18 | SerajewelKS | Daffy-PKF, do you use mozilla, or firefox? |
| 21:03.21 | robin_sz | anyway .. dates asside |
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| 21:03.29 | abrotman | robin_sz: then you can try to change from testing to sarge .. and then apt-get update;apt-get -u upgrade .. and don't forget to add the security lines |
| 21:03.32 | abrotman | err line |
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| 21:03.40 | robin_sz | right |
| 21:03.40 | igor47 | uname -a says "Linux hellie2 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux" |
| 21:03.42 | robin_sz | thnaks |
| 21:03.43 | antgel | rjarlote: not eve in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>? |
| 21:03.44 | smo_ | how can i disable v4l2?? or force v4l first?? |
| 21:03.45 | Daffy-PKF | SerajewelKS> firefox, and mozilla isn't installed, it's firefox which created the mozilla dir |
| 21:03.51 | {tama-geek} | hi all |
| 21:03.58 | SerajewelKS | Daffy-PKF, then either should work |
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| 21:04.05 | Daffy-PKF | SerajewelKS> ok |
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| 21:04.14 | igor47 | can i use apt-get in some way to get the mouse to work, or should i manually grab a kernel? |
| 21:04.20 | LabThug | Gotta run, will try again tomorrow |
| 21:04.27 | SerajewelKS | igor47, are you using a debian kernel? |
| 21:04.28 | antgel | LabThug: check the exim logs |
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| 21:04.32 | igor47 | yeah |
| 21:04.37 | {tama-geek} | need a little of help with postfix? :\ |
| 21:04.46 | SerajewelKS | igor47, what kernel package |
| 21:05.00 | igor47 | SerajewelKS: i'm not sure - how do i tell? |
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| 21:05.32 | tgwj | {tama-geek}, you just sitting around here as well ? |
| 21:05.40 | SerajewelKS | igor47, you can try something like: dpkg -l 'kernel-image-*' | grep '^i' |
| 21:05.41 | green_earz | tezra: you can check the integrity of the iso . when boots let it run on a bit and get back to the main menu. and there is a integrity check option there |
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| 21:05.50 | stew | igor47: you mouse should work fine with that kernel |
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| 21:06.06 | SerajewelKS | stew, not if he can't modprobe psmouse |
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| 21:06.27 | tezra | green_earz, it fails, and md5sum gives different number, now I just want to rsync them against a debian server with the good iso images |
| 21:06.28 | |Comrade| | ok i managed to get the text based login (runlevel 2) the xserver is broken and some other stuff i checked. Is there a way to 'restore' everything that is broken now? |
| 21:06.51 | stew | SerajewelKS: 2.4 doesn't have a psmouse module |
| 21:07.07 | igor47 | SerajewelKS: its just what is in the uname - kernel image for version 2.4.27 |
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| 21:07.17 | SerajewelKS | igor47, ah |
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| 21:07.20 | igor47 | stew: i cannot cat /dev/input/mice - i get "no such device" |
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| 21:07.32 | tezra | green_earz, I have rsync installed just need to do rsync dvdiso remoteserveriso or something, dont know the syntax well |
| 21:07.34 | stew | igor47: do you have mousedev loaded? |
| 21:07.57 | {tama-geek} | I installed postfix+clamAV+Squirrelmail and now I go to Squirrelmail and send a message... and the message is received as tamageek@mydomain.com!! why the messages are sent as mydomain.com and not using my real domain??? :| |
| 21:08.09 | rjarlote | fuck: Therefore it won't work on kernel |
| 21:08.10 | rjarlote | 2.4.X. |
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| 21:08.17 | green_earz | tezra: for rsync a debian iso its jigod thats used |
| 21:08.18 | rjarlote | oh no.... |
| 21:08.25 | rjarlote | I have kernel 2.4 |
| 21:08.30 | igor47 | stew: i did not. i modprobed it and X started, but my mouse still doesn't work... |
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| 21:08.46 | tezra | green_earz, ok, ill try installing jigdo from the web since the dvd read fails |
| 21:08.50 | tgwj | !beer {tama-geek} |
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| 21:08.55 | {tama-geek} | :D |
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| 21:09.02 | antgel | {tama-geek}: fix your squirrelmail options |
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| 21:09.07 | {tama-geek} | how??? |
| 21:09.31 | stew | igor47: try /dev/psaux instead of /dev/input/mice |
| 21:09.34 | {tama-geek} | I have check squirrelmail and postfix... |
| 21:09.35 | antgel | {tama-geek}: i can't make it any clearer. if you can't be bothered to look... |
| 21:09.43 | igor47 | stew: got it. i think it'll work now, thanks! |
| 21:09.49 | antgel | {tama-geek}: in the squirrelmail web ui |
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| 21:10.31 | green_earz | tezra: if you mount the iso you got on linux box. you can use jigdo to build a iso from the good file you all ready have and the download the rest. and md5sum check it all |
| 21:10.31 | drac | hrm, /dev/input/mice is USB and PS/2 mouse in 2.4 and 2.6.. psaux is just backwards compability in case of pebcak (not loading mousedev and psmouse/or usbhid/hid) |
| 21:10.46 | debianCreed | from a screen opened how can I acces the shell terminal without detaching? |
| 21:10.54 | astronut | {tama-geek}: check /etc/postfix/main.cf |
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| 21:11.18 | debianCreed | I am tryin to open several screens that were detached |
| 21:11.29 | green_earz | tezra: if the iso is needed for a install you can just download the net install cd iso. 110 meg |
| 21:11.33 | debianCreed | but I have problems getting to the mother shell |
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| 21:11.41 | astronut | debianCreed: ctrl + a, c gives you a new terminal inside a screen |
| 21:11.47 | astronut | you use ctrl + a, space to switch |
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| 21:12.01 | tezra | green_earz, no i need the iso to have all the debian distro available since downloading at home with a modem sucks |
| 21:12.02 | astronut | or ctrl + a, n where n is the numeric of the screen (0, 1, ...) |
| 21:12.05 | debianCreed | astronut: I don't want I new shell just return to the original |
| 21:12.10 | astronut | oh |
| 21:12.17 | tezra | green_earz, but thanks I will try what you say |
| 21:12.17 | astronut | ctrl + a, d detaches screen |
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| 21:12.40 | debianCreed | astronut: but I want all my screen attached so I can cycle among them |
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| 21:12.52 | morbius` | so to add a user to proftpd all i should be using is -> useradd -d /location -s /bin/false <user> | passwd <user> - right? |
| 21:12.54 | astronut | debianCreed: not possible :-P |
| 21:13.05 | astronut | next time, use ^a, c instead of detaching and creating a new one |
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| 21:13.24 | tgwj | !vodka {tama-geek} |
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| 21:13.41 | antgel | morbius`: why not try it |
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| 21:13.58 | morbius` | antgel: I did, but it sais password failed |
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| 21:14.13 | antgel | morbius`: you just answered your first question |
| 21:14.18 | debianCr1ed | what was that |
| 21:14.26 | green_earz | tezra: have a look on ebay for a good price. if you go that way and ebay debian , when you get it run a integrity check on the iso from the main menu of the install, |
| 21:14.26 | debianCr1ed | O.o |
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| 21:14.52 | astronut | terje`: i wouldn't ebay it |
| 21:14.59 | morbius` | antgel: not really, I could be adding them "correctly" for a particular method of authenication and proftpd could be setup for another... |
| 21:15.07 | astronut | terje`: you can get it very cheaply, sites are linked off the debian homepage |
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| 21:15.37 | green_earz | tezra: all the iso i sell on ebay are md5sum check before shipping |
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| 21:15.46 | tezra | green_earz, i can download at work, np, no need to buy dvd images |
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| 21:15.50 | bobbytux | bye |
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| 21:15.56 | smo_ | can i convert a ntfs partition to fat with debian?? |
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| 21:16.02 | tezra | green_earz, hehe, you sell iso's? :) |
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| 21:16.09 | green_earz | tezra: yes |
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| 21:16.15 | landover | mooo hahahaha |
| 21:16.27 | robin_sz | smo_: do you need to keep the ntfs data? |
| 21:16.29 | streuner | smo_: partition magic |
| 21:16.29 | landover | watch yourself carefully green |
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| 21:16.34 | smo_ | yes |
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| 21:16.50 | antgel | landover: are you going to talk sense? |
| 21:16.53 | lakcaj | smo_, if you can copy the data off, then make the new filesystem, and then copy the data back, then yes |
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| 21:16.55 | green_earz | tezra: at a very good price, here in the uk £3.45 that with post |
| 21:17.03 | smo_ | no |
| 21:17.09 | robin_sz | probably what streuner said then, or just copy iot somewhere |
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| 21:17.10 | antgel | green_earz: do you actually make any money? how many you sell? |
| 21:17.14 | smo_ | can t move it too big |
| 21:17.29 | antgel | smo_: why would you want to do that? |
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| 21:17.43 | green_earz | antgel: ONE pound at a time for 2DVD |
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| 21:17.51 | robin_sz | smo_: just delete it then and make it an ext3 partition then restore from backups |
| 21:17.55 | ma3x | hello |
| 21:17.59 | ma3x | what application is compatible with netmeeting? |
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| 21:18.15 | lakcaj | ma3x, gnome-meeting? |
| 21:18.16 | ma3x | can i participate with what application with ms netmeeting? |
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| 21:18.25 | rjarlote | antgel sorry, doc says that Therefore it won't work on kernel |
| 21:18.25 | rjarlote | 2.4.X. |
| 21:18.31 | ma3x | lakcaj, is gnome-meeting compatible with netmeeting |
| 21:18.32 | ma3x | ? |
| 21:18.38 | green_earz | antgel: i got a lot to go to make many real money but i like what i do, and learn from it as well |
| 21:18.45 | {tama-geek} | astronut -> In /etc/postfix/main.cf I have mydomain = gtwire.dyndns.org |
| 21:18.52 | lakcaj | ma3x, I don't know, that's why my sentence ended with a ? Try googling for more info. |
| 21:18.54 | {tama-geek} | relayhost = |
| 21:18.54 | {tama-geek} | mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 |
| 21:18.54 | {tama-geek} | mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION" |
| 21:19.05 | robin_sz | ma3x: now, why would a nice debian sort of person want to speak to the sort of people that use MS? |
| 21:19.10 | antgel | {tama-geek}: did you fix the squirrelmail options? you're barking up the wrong tree |
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| 21:19.11 | landover | antgel - i was referring to green_earz stating...dont get caught.... |
| 21:19.16 | {tama-geek} | myhostname = fenix.gtwire.dyndns.org |
| 21:19.28 | reiffert | How can it be, that on sarge, I cant logon, when I have md5 passwords in my shadow? |
| 21:19.34 | astronut | {tama-geek}: then poke around in squirrelmail-configure |
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| 21:19.42 | Blissex | BTW, after the discussion above in which I mentioned bmy evil practices whereof I use Hoary as a backports for Sarge, here is my utterly diabolical 'preferences' file etc: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Cfg/APT/ |
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| 21:19.53 | astronut | reiffert: check your caps lock |
| 21:19.58 | reiffert | astronut: done. |
| 21:19.59 | green_earz | antgel: your best bet would be to use bittorent because it checks the iso for you |
| 21:20.03 | {tama-geek} | I do : /usr/sbin/squirrelmail-configure |
| 21:20.06 | lakcaj | ma3x, or just apt-cache show gnomemeeting, it mentions netmeeting in there |
| 21:20.06 | {tama-geek} | whaty else_ |
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| 21:20.12 | {tama-geek} | what else? |
| 21:20.17 | reiffert | astronut: when I change the passwords to DES-pw's, it works. |
| 21:20.18 | antgel | green_earz: what? i don't want to download anything. ever |
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| 21:20.31 | astronut | reiffert: dunno |
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| 21:20.37 | antgel | {tama-geek}: i told you ^^ and i refuse to repeat myself because you can't be fucked to read the screen |
| 21:20.40 | astronut | {tama-geek}: it's a menu driven system, poke around |
| 21:20.42 | astronut | or RTFM |
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| 21:20.52 | antgel | astronut: why are you telling him this crap? |
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| 21:21.20 | astronut | antgel: *shrugs* |
| 21:21.24 | green_earz | antgel: you downloaded the iso over http and the are broke. so use jigdo or bittorent |
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| 21:21.57 | antgel | astronut: if you don't know what you're talking about better to keep shtum or point out that you might be wrong |
| 21:22.05 | antgel | green_earz: no i didn't. |
| 21:22.15 | robin_sz | I do so hope its not going to get as far as NYC |
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| 21:22.51 | asuffield | reiffert: your pam config files don't allow md5, presumably because you said 'no' to md5 when installing |
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| 21:23.24 | tezra | green_earz, thanks for the help, gotta go now, cya!!! :) |
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| 21:23.35 | green_earz | antgel: all the best |
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| 21:23.50 | astronut | antgel: it could have been a postfix error |
| 21:24.01 | astronut | the default is "mydomain" so |
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| 21:27.36 | debianCreed | does anybody know how to open all the screen within a single window shell? |
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| 21:27.46 | debianCreed | I don't want to open new shells |
| 21:27.50 | debianCreed | for each one |
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| 21:28.01 | debianCreed | just one shell for all |
| 21:28.13 | debianCreed | isn't that the point of screens? |
| 21:28.36 | mfrisch | debianCreed for what? |
| 21:28.59 | pzn | after the last apt-get upgrade (security) (using sarge) today, firefox started with strange things. It sometimes closes, and sometimes not download links that I click. Do you have the same problems? |
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| 21:29.30 | debianCreed | mfrisch: I am trying to open several screens, but Ctrl+a+c opens a new shell within a shel |
| 21:29.33 | stew | pzn: the current security update to -firefox is known to be very buggy |
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| 21:29.41 | husein | antgel:are you?? |
| 21:29.43 | debianCreed | I mea in this way I'd get all the screens open |
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| 21:29.50 | Dreamer3 | ok, what is the command that watches an install and automatically builds a debian package? |
| 21:29.55 | debianCreed | but I want' to have a single shell with all the Screens opened |
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| 21:30.04 | rjarlote | [antgel] just a question |
| 21:30.13 | astronut | what are "Single virtual packages" |
| 21:30.17 | mfrisch | debianCreed screen and multitail may help...but its not like you think |
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| 21:30.33 | rjarlote | I have to do a dpkg with the atmel sources? |
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| 21:30.42 | rjarlote | the doc is only 3 lines |
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| 21:30.49 | husein | antgel:are you?? |
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| 21:31.01 | AptGet | saddam is that you? |
| 21:31.30 | debianCreed | mfrisch: because when I do it the screen way, when I Ctrl+a+" I get my applications opened plus a SHELL for each one!! that's redundant, why not open all the screens within a single shell? |
| 21:31.37 | debianCreed | then cycle as you please? |
| 21:31.37 | green_earz | AptGet: hello its ben here |
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| 21:31.54 | husein | i just installed deian sarge from netinstall and after installing base system, it crash here: http://pastebin.com/349533 |
| 21:31.58 | AptGet | green_earz: hello |
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| 21:32.22 | green_earz | AptGet: live is cold in the hill. but got tv |
| 21:32.23 | meriad | hey, vi wont use syntax, or formatting, like auto-syntax, or style detection.. any ideas what would cause that? |
| 21:32.39 | peterS | meriad: your version of vi, probably. debian has about 4 available |
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| 21:32.49 | peterS | meriad: vim is fancier than nvi, f'r instance |
| 21:32.53 | AptGet | husein: do you have a usb port? |
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| 21:33.06 | husein | apt: 4 ports |
| 21:33.13 | AptGet | green_earz: what are you talking about? |
| 21:33.13 | antgel | husein: am i what? |
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| 21:33.25 | husein | antgel: it crashed with sarge |
| 21:33.28 | husein | http://pastebin.com/349533 |
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| 21:33.32 | mfrisch | meriad enable syntax highlighting in vim.conf |
| 21:33.32 | AptGet | husein: did you try a cold boot |
| 21:33.46 | antgel | husein: interesting. makes it more likely to be hardware. try disabling usb in bios. |
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| 21:33.53 | AptGet | husein: i used to have to cold boot after install of debian on my old pc |
| 21:33.55 | meriad | mfrisch: ya, i did that =] |
| 21:34.03 | peterS | meriad: are you using vim, then? |
| 21:34.05 | meriad | yes. |
| 21:34.06 | peterS | meriad: you just said vi |
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| 21:34.08 | meriad | my bad. |
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| 21:34.11 | meriad | i figured everyone these days |
| 21:34.14 | meriad | used vim or vi |
| 21:34.15 | meriad | anyays |
| 21:34.15 | AptGet | husein: used to freeze at the same point |
| 21:34.16 | husein | AptGet:cold boot?? |
| 21:34.17 | peterS | meriad: no, debian by default installs nvi |
| 21:34.22 | meriad | ohhh |
| 21:34.23 | meriad | peterS: really? |
| 21:34.25 | peterS | meriad: so you have to install vim explicitly if you think you want it |
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| 21:34.41 | antgel | husein: actually, no. i think the usb line is good. it's the line before that breaks. hold on |
| 21:34.41 | AptGet | husein: turning your computer completely off............then booting |
| 21:34.42 | debianCreed | so with screen the only way to keep opening windows is withing a sinlge shell is with Ctrl+a+c ???? Is that corrects? |
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| 21:34.53 | meriad | peterS: no its vim sorry |
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| 21:35.14 | streuner | peterS: debhelper is written in TCL |
| 21:35.28 | husein | AptGet:complety off??, what do you mean?, It is a laptop |
| 21:35.29 | peterS | streuner: indeed it is, with some C, IIRC |
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| 21:35.50 | pzn | stew: how can I downgrade firefox to "not-securiry"? |
| 21:35.53 | meriad | peterS: vim improved version 6.2 |
| 21:35.57 | peterS | meriad: make sure your terminal type reflects some color capability |
| 21:36.00 | antgel | husein: this is a discover-modprobe error. it's either hardware or a bug. can you please unplug all non-necessary hardware and try again? |
| 21:36.05 | meriad | peterS: im sure it does |
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| 21:36.13 | AptGet | husein: turn it completely off..........i dont know how else to say it |
| 21:36.14 | peterS | meriad: then I'm sure it works fine |
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| 21:36.22 | meriad | peterS: it obviously doesnt. |
| 21:36.25 | meriad | peterS: or i wouldnt be asking |
| 21:36.28 | zulu42 | hoye, is there a way to pass dpkg-buildpackage configure script options ? |
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| 21:36.35 | peterS | meriad: then maybe you should check these things instead of saying you're sure they're fine |
| 21:36.42 | meriad | they are fine |
| 21:36.44 | zulu42 | cause my build just launch ./configure with no options... |
| 21:36.47 | meriad | i havent been using linux for 2 days peterS |
| 21:36.49 | AptGet | has anyone noticed any bugs with hde 3.4? |
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| 21:37.07 | AptGet | kde |
| 21:37.11 | AptGet | not hde |
| 21:37.17 | stew | pzn: apt-get install mozilla-firefox=1.0.4-2 ; then put it on hold /msg dpkg hold |
| 21:37.24 | peterS | meriad: could've fooled me. what's your terminal type then? |
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| 21:37.30 | meriad | peterS: linux. |
| 21:37.39 | meriad | peterS: and yes, it supports colors |
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| 21:38.08 | peterS | meriad: you think I'm asking dumb questions. as it happens, I wasn't. a very common problem people have is expecting an app running inside 'screen' to display colors |
| 21:38.13 | zulu42 | is there any dpkg-builpackage guru? |
| 21:38.21 | peterS | which it won't |
| 21:38.31 | meriad | peterS: i know that |
| 21:38.33 | meriad | i wouldnt be wastign your time |
| 21:38.35 | antgel | husein: if you can get to a shell (alt-f2 or 3) during install after the crash, cat /var/lib/discover/crash |
| 21:38.38 | meriad | with a trivial problem peterS |
| 21:38.43 | antgel | zulu42: yes, man dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 21:39.00 | peterS | meriad: you're acting exactly like the myriad of people around here who *would* be wasting our time with trivial questions. how am I to know the difference? |
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| 21:39.13 | streuner | peterS: where is the source of debhelper at all? |
| 21:39.18 | husein | AptGet: antgel: it dies. No shell. |
| 21:39.29 | pzn | stew, thanks! |
| 21:39.36 | AptGet | husein: did you try a cold boot? |
| 21:39.38 | peterS | streuner: ask don. I don't have access to it. I'm sure it's modified from the debian packaging in any case |
| 21:39.47 | AptGet | husein: im telling you i have had this same problem |
| 21:39.47 | meriad | peterS: anyhow, back to my problem.. any ideas? |
| 21:39.54 | antgel | husein: tough luck. try again, go into the bios and turn off all your hardware. sound, serial port, whatever. and listen to AptGet |
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| 21:40.01 | peterS | meriad: no. vim always highlights syntax for me, much to my annoyance |
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| 21:40.08 | streuner | peterS: from which package? |
| 21:40.12 | pzn | stew, do you recommend also downgrade other packages (like mozilla-firefox-gnome-support)? |
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| 21:40.18 | meriad | peterS: it wont format or anything |
| 21:40.24 | Gil_ | :syntax off |
| 21:40.28 | stew | pzn: no |
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| 21:40.38 | peterS | Gil_: thanks, I should really stick that in a .vimrc or something one of these days |
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| 21:40.47 | husein | AptGet: cold boot you mean to pickup batteryies¿¿ |
| 21:40.53 | hikenboot | hello all---quick question...how do determine what drive my sata drive is on if its not mounted? |
| 21:40.56 | Gil_ | :colorscheme darkblue is very nice too ;) |
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| 21:41.07 | hikenboot | somthing in proc? |
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| 21:41.22 | peterS | Gil_: dark blue on black? yecch, I can't imagine that would be anything other than the horror of lynx |
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| 21:41.29 | Gil_ | peterS: hehe |
| 21:41.32 | AptGet | husein: huh?...........turn the friggin computer off |
| 21:41.42 | AptGet | husein: wait like2 minutes |
| 21:41.48 | AptGet | husein: then turn it on |
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| 21:42.11 | green_earz | hikenboot: can you see it in your bios ? |
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| 21:42.24 | hikenboot | yes |
| 21:42.27 | stew | hikenboot: fdisk -l ? cat /proc/partitions? |
| 21:42.31 | husein | AptGet: will be necesary to disable hw in bios? |
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| 21:42.36 | zulu42 | antgel, not found anything in the man relative to --disable-this-thing argument for the configure script... |
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| 21:42.42 | AptGet | husein: just try that first |
| 21:42.48 | husein | ok. |
| 21:42.51 | hikenboot | strange no reisers show up |
| 21:43.06 | streuner | peterS: hm, didn't believe it exist a package at all... :-) |
| 21:43.09 | stew | hikenboot: reiser isn't a partition type its a filesystem type |
| 21:43.11 | green_earz | hikenboot: so ide 1 master or slave. or ide 2 maor sl |
| 21:43.13 | antgel | zulu42: what are you trying to do? |
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| 21:43.23 | husein | AptGet: boot like: linux26 |
| 21:43.23 | peterS | streuner: I wonder why you keep asking me about debhelper |
| 21:43.40 | husein | AptGet: for kernel 2.6 I used 2.4 |
| 21:43.42 | hikenboot | no its a sata not id but it lists it on channel three in bios |
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| 21:43.53 | AptGet | husein: i thought you said you had it installed? |
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| 21:44.11 | js_ | what module should i use for the ALi 5228 controller card? |
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| 21:44.25 | husein | AptGet system base was installed but when it reboots it crashed |
| 21:44.26 | green_earz | hikenboot: sorry . but they will still be master or slave, i think ??? |
| 21:44.41 | AptGet | husein: yeah so try that cold boot.......without the cd in |
| 21:44.56 | peterS | js_: possibly sata_uli, but let me check |
| 21:45.00 | husein | AptGet: ok |
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| 21:45.07 | husein | i will. A lot of |
| 21:45.08 | zulu42 | antgel, I'm trying to build a package from source using dpkg-buildpackage, but I want configure my source with --enable-my-option argument to the configure script. When I use dpkg-builpackage, I loose control on the configure script |
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| 21:45.40 | hikenboot | problem is the one i think it is hangs when mounted so i wanted to run fsck.reiser |
| 21:45.45 | vladster | I can print a test page and that is it |
| 21:45.48 | js_ | peterS: that one isn't in the 2.6.8-2-686 kernel, isi t? |
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| 21:45.51 | zulu42 | antgel, Is there something to give to dpkg-buildpackage in order to pass the flag to the configure script? |
| 21:45.57 | mfrisch | vladster lp file |
| 21:45.59 | peterS | js_: oh, that one isn't SATA. use the 'alim15x3' module |
| 21:46.08 | stew | zulu42: no, edit debian/rules |
| 21:46.31 | js_ | peterS: what about ALi 5281? |
| 21:46.46 | antgel | zulu42: so you're trying to make a .deb from source? |
| 21:46.52 | zulu42 | yes |
| 21:46.53 | peterS | js_: the 5281 *is* SATA. that one uses the sata_uli module |
| 21:46.55 | zulu42 | rules? |
| 21:46.55 | vladster | bash: lp: command not found this is what I get |
| 21:47.02 | stew | zulu42: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 21:47.04 | antgel | zulu42: have you read the new maintainers docs? |
| 21:47.04 | peterS | js_: that module might not be in kernel 2.6.8, it is in kernel 2.6.12 in unstable though |
| 21:47.12 | js_ | peterS: ok, thanks |
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| 21:47.38 | green_earz | hikenboot: one way to get some info on it would be to boot from knoppix and have a look in the /etc/fstab. that if knoppix see sata ? |
| 21:47.53 | peterS | js_: the reason for the name sata_uli is that the company ALi renamed itself to ULi at some point |
| 21:47.53 | mfrisch | vladster do you have cupsys installed ? |
| 21:47.53 | hikenboot | good idea |
| 21:47.56 | antgel | zulu42: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide |
| 21:48.00 | vladster | yep |
| 21:48.09 | js_ | peterS: oh, thanks |
| 21:48.22 | vladster | I can print a test page from the cups webadmin |
| 21:48.26 | green_earz | hikenboot: if knoppix tell you the fstab option your got it |
| 21:48.28 | hikenboot | is the fsck for reiser called fsck.reiser? or am i spelling it wrong |
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| 21:48.50 | peterS | hikenboot: should be reiserfsck or fsck.reiserfs |
| 21:48.54 | green_earz | hikenboot: sorry i do not know |
| 21:48.55 | Gathond | hikenboot: i believe its reiserfsck |
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| 21:49.06 | zulu42 | thx stew my package is done :) |
| 21:49.09 | mfrisch | vladster give me a sec |
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| 21:49.25 | vladster | no prob |
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| 21:50.21 | mfrisch | vladster cupsys-bsd is what I mean...but your printer should work say in ooo or mozilla. |
| 21:50.21 | vladster | Not sure if I have the spooler set up right |
| 21:50.38 | vladster | ahh |
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| 21:50.52 | xhypno | Anyone know the current number of x86-64 packages in sarge and sid, and there stability? |
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| 21:51.26 | |Comrade| | everytime i try to open a x session all i get is a console does anyone know how to solve that? |
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| 21:51.48 | AptGet | |Comrade|: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 21:52.02 | green_earz | |Comrade|: so your xserver is crashing ? |
| 21:52.17 | mfrisch | |Comrade| install wm or gnome |
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| 21:52.32 | |Comrade| | i had a wire pulling out my video card wich made my system crash |
| 21:52.43 | vladster | thanks |
| 21:52.51 | |Comrade| | i had to redo the x server as it kept crashing afterwards |
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| 21:53.09 | |Comrade| | now the xserver-xorg is running but i can't get kde to work |
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| 21:53.15 | vladster | Now if I can just adjust the printout |
| 21:53.37 | |Comrade| | kde, gnome when i login (kdm) i get a console window |
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| 21:53.45 | stew | |Comrade|: kde is currently known to be broken in sid as 3.4 is being transitioned in |
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| 21:54.02 | OneSeventeen | I installed PostgreSQL using apt-get, and it started the server as user postgres. What is the default password for user postgres? |
| 21:54.06 | |Comrade| | its a libranet |
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| 21:54.22 | mfrisch | OneSeventeen set it |
| 21:54.27 | stew | |Comrade|: you are in the wrong channel then |
| 21:54.30 | Gathond | OneSeventeen: default is there is none, but if you are that user you can login |
| 21:54.31 | antgel | OneSeventeen: package docs are in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
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| 21:54.50 | husein | AptGet: it did not work. same error. |
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| 21:55.15 | AptGet | husein: yeah try 2.6 |
| 21:55.16 | |Comrade| | libranet is as good as the same as debian when it comes to console commands and the packages |
| 21:55.30 | vladster | Where is the file that controls the print centering |
| 21:55.35 | husein | AptGet: cool boot again? |
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| 21:55.41 | |Comrade| | it even has debian sites as package sources in the list |
| 21:55.46 | toresbe | Argh. |
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| 21:55.59 | OneSeventeen | the odd part was I tried logging in via a GUI, and it never let me login because I had the wrong password... |
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| 21:56.01 | hikenboot | scanning drive now..thanks guys...I wish they had named reiser somthing different the spelling screws me up every time! |
| 21:56.04 | toresbe | All my GTK programs have TINY fonts |
| 21:56.07 | toresbe | any idea why? |
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| 21:56.09 | mfrisch | |Comrade| nice try |
| 21:56.09 | stew | OneSeventeen: that user won't ahve a password |
| 21:56.14 | toresbe | ooooh, I think I just solved me own prob |
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| 21:56.48 | husein | AptGet: option boot is : linux26? |
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| 21:56.51 | toresbe | no, I didn't, carry on helping me :P |
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| 21:57.21 | error403 | could anybody tell me how to install the openoffice.org beta? (there are only RPM's for it...) |
| 21:57.24 | OneSeventeen | stew: so am I not allowed to su into users without passwords? (I always get an Authentication failure when trying to su postgres) |
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| 21:57.46 | nitin | guys how do i start that one console selection screen that asks you which packages to install (web/server/desktop env_? |
| 21:57.51 | stew | OneSeventeen: you are running su as root? or as a user? |
| 21:57.53 | vladster | mfrisch: what file controls the print margins |
| 21:57.56 | OneSeventeen | as a user |
| 21:57.59 | mfrisch | OneSeventeen su root then postrers |
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| 21:58.15 | [bman] | anyone here using gq on unstable? Everytime I add a server, it disappears. |
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| 21:58.47 | mfrisch | vladster man lpadmin, set paper size. |
| 21:58.49 | stew | [bman]: chaned teh bts? |
| 21:58.53 | stew | checked* |
| 21:58.58 | OneSeventeen | mfrisch okay, thanks, su root then postgres works great |
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| 21:59.11 | [bman] | stew, guess I'll do that now ;) |
| 21:59.24 | toresbe | anyone know what I should look at? my gtk fonts are tiny, less than two px;s |
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| 21:59.56 | hikenboot | ok this is bad news it gets a cannot read the block (32771) when running the scan...tried the rebuild-tree option same thing... |
| 21:59.58 | green_earz | nitin: tasksel |
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| 22:00.30 | nvz | well the judge is giving me another computer I heard today. the computer I worked on a few months ago and put debian on for him, he's replacing. |
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| 22:00.55 | xhypno | Yeah, gas prices are going to go up 15-25 cents per gallon! |
| 22:01.10 | nvz | the monitor is a piece of shit, but the pc is better than the last two I got |
| 22:01.11 | [bman] | stew, #236127 bleh... at least there is a work around... thanks for reminding me about bts! |
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| 22:01.42 | green_earz | xhypno: but rain is still come down. so the world the right way round |
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| 22:01.49 | nvz | I will probably swap out the Vectra with the Pavillion he's giving me |
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| 22:02.07 | galapoli | hi everyone |
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| 22:02.16 | xhypno | lol, Yeah, rain came down due to a hurricane here on friday |
| 22:02.34 | morbius` | so I am assuming with PAM pam_shells.so requires the user to have an acctual shell as in _not_ /bin/false, correct? if so should I add pam_unix.so to allow users with /bin/false to user the service as well? |
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| 22:02.57 | debianCreed | how to unzip a zip file? |
| 22:03.04 | nvz | debianCreed: use unzip |
| 22:03.06 | xhypno | unzip <file> |
| 22:03.07 | FieldySnuts | man zip |
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| 22:03.17 | peterS | debianCreed: the debian package is called 'unzip' |
| 22:03.20 | debianCreed | nvz: unzip -d file ?? |
| 22:03.20 | nvz | !info unzip |
| 22:03.26 | dpkg | unzip: (De-archiver for .zip files), section utils, is optional. Version: 5.52-3 (sid), Packaged size: 141 kB, Installed size: 276 kB |
| 22:03.28 | debianCreed | I know... I mean in command line |
| 22:03.34 | hikenboot | whats this mean? If it cannot remap the block, use badblock option (-B) with reiserfs utils to handle this block correctly. |
| 22:03.34 | peterS | debianCreed: it has help text |
| 22:03.35 | nvz | debianCreed: I dont know install, read the manpage |
| 22:03.37 | peterS | debianCreed: try running it |
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| 22:03.49 | galapoli | if i build kernel 2.6 with modules on one machine, what do i have to copy over to another machine for it to use the same one? i copied the kernel file and the system.map to /boot, and the /lib/modules/2.6.13 dir ... but I get a QM_MODULES error on the second machine, so there's something else i must be missing. |
| 22:03.52 | nvz | debianCreed: I just use unzip file.zip |
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| 22:04.07 | nvz | I've never read the manpage I just guessed |
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| 22:04.15 | nfm | when i did an installation yesterday i downloaded about 200 mb of additional packages. where can they be found and how can i reuse them in another installation? (i.e. so i don't have to download them again) |
| 22:04.23 | antgel | galapoli: copy the .deb and dpkg -i |
| 22:04.54 | galapoli | antgel: it's not from a deb |
| 22:05.05 | xhypno | nfm: /var/cache/apt |
| 22:05.11 | mfrisch | nfm /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 22:05.14 | antgel | galapoli: now you know why it should be |
| 22:05.37 | galapoli | you shouldn't need to use debs |
| 22:05.43 | green_earz | galapoli: did compile the debian way ? |
| 22:05.55 | antgel | galapoli: fine. make your like more difficult. |
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| 22:06.11 | galapoli | no, the "standard" way |
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| 22:06.21 | debianCreed | what about a .exe file? |
| 22:06.26 | antgel | nfm: if you have a network, you may wish to investigate apt-proxy |
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| 22:06.29 | debianCreed | is that possible to extract? |
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| 22:06.36 | nfm | thx |
| 22:06.44 | joefso | What is opensource? And what is freesoftware? How are the releated(if)? |
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| 22:06.48 | nvz | debianCreed: you mean like a win32 self-extracting zip? |
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| 22:06.57 | antgel | debianCreed: i have a feeling a self-extracting exe _may_ unzip as well, but not sure |
| 22:06.58 | xhypno | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.03 | green_earz | galapoli: do it the debian way and all you need the move it the kerne-xxxx.deb to the other box |
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| 22:07.05 | galapoli | green_earz: is there a way to do this without using the "debian way"? |
| 22:07.31 | antgel | galapoli: i can answer that. yes but we don't support it. |
| 22:07.35 | debianCreed | nvz: 'cause I unzip -t file and shows me a file inside file.exe OK |
| 22:07.41 | xhypno | galapoli, yeah, the traditional kernel compile method |
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| 22:07.55 | antgel | xhypno: did you see his original question? |
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| 22:08.07 | mo1991 | can someone help me troubleshooting exim4 MTA - I am trying to send mail out from my local machine |
| 22:08.17 | FieldySnuts | @start an mta war |
| 22:08.18 | galapoli | xhypno, right, compiled on one machine it works fine, but what else do i have to copy over besides the image, map and modules in /lib? |
| 22:08.18 | ravenbird | smail is hard to configure |
| 22:08.26 | nvz | you keep using commands I dont have manpages for or understand so I give up |
| 22:08.29 | mo1991 | evolution says it sends mail but doesn't actually send |
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| 22:08.34 | antgel | mo1991: did we not cover this yesterday? |
| 22:08.35 | TwistedEmotions | !memo |
| 22:08.37 | green_earz | galapoli: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 22:08.39 | TwistedEmotions | Err. |
| 22:08.53 | debianCreed | ok it unzipped it at the 5th trial |
| 22:08.57 | green_earz | galapoli: for the debian way |
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| 22:09.03 | debianCreed | now I have a freaking file.exe |
| 22:09.08 | antgel | galapoli: why are you making your life hard by not using the debian tools? |
| 22:09.08 | debianCreed | what the heck |
| 22:09.14 | mo1991 | antgel - yes we did - I did a dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and think I did everything right but still don't get test emails I send - is there a good way to troubleshoot this? |
| 22:09.22 | FieldySnuts | what did you expect, out of a compression format (.zip) that is used on windows? |
| 22:09.23 | mo1991 | to see if they are actually leaving my machine |
| 22:09.23 | galapoli | antgel: why can't you just answer the question? |
| 22:09.25 | antgel | mo1991: look in the exim log |
| 22:09.32 | nvz | debianCreed: was the zipfile suppose to contain something other than a win32 application? |
| 22:09.46 | xhypno | galapoli, that is all you will need to copy, along with all headers for other compiling needs. I use that method to move the same kernel between 20 production boxes perfectly, but they have to have the same versions of software, gcc, etc.. |
| 22:09.49 | mo1991 | antgel - where is the exim log? |
| 22:10.00 | mo1991 | nevermind |
| 22:10.05 | xhypno | galapoli, moving being distros never works right |
| 22:10.14 | FieldySnuts | ? |
| 22:10.15 | antgel | galapoli: because i don't have energy to waste on that when there are excellent tools to help. i bet you're not even using debian |
| 22:10.16 | debianCreed | nvz: no applications... it supposed to be a iso image I believe |
| 22:10.22 | husein | antgel: with cool boot it does not work |
| 22:10.26 | TwistedEmotions | ls |
| 22:10.26 | antgel | mo1991: /var/log/exim4/* |
| 22:10.42 | xhypno | antgel: why flame? we are all here to help |
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| 22:10.49 | debianCreed | but once I was able to extract files outta an .exe file.. was for ndsiwrapper... I forgot what I used |
| 22:10.50 | FieldySnuts | we are? |
| 22:10.54 | xhypno | lol |
| 22:10.56 | TwistedEmotions | Errr.. that's where that ls went.. heh. Sorry ;) |
| 22:11.03 | antgel | xhypno: go on then. best of luck. |
| 22:11.12 | mo1991 | antgel 2005-08-29 17:08:30 1E9rlI-0005G5-47 == mohan1991@xsmail.com R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any hos |
| 22:11.24 | mo1991 | does this mean anything to you - this is what the log says |
| 22:11.31 | antgel | i'm not flaming. gave him an _excellent_ pointer. |
| 22:11.38 | xhypno | antgel: I already explained it to him, as to what needs to be done if he doesn't build a deb |
| 22:11.59 | xhypno | antgel: some people just like to use the long way. |
| 22:12.05 | xhypno | Look at gentoo, lol |
| 22:12.16 | antgel | xhypno: sheesh. he wants to move his kernel file-by-file and has some error. did you tell him how to avoid the error? |
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| 22:12.30 | xhypno | Yeah, copy everything, lol |
| 22:12.32 | FieldySnuts | mo1991: your client, evolution, was able to pass the mail to your MTA. your MTA, however, wasnot able to pass it on to the next step (remote smtp server). your MTA will try once in a while for about 72 hours (default) before it gives up, and sends you back an error. |
| 22:12.34 | galapoli | antgel: not all machines are running debian. it doesn't make sense to use debs on machines that don't have dpkg. What ever happened to the friendly atmosphere here? |
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| 22:12.52 | debianCreed | ls |
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| 22:13.00 | galapoli | xhypno, the headers would be in /usr/include? |
| 22:13.02 | debianCreed | wrong window |
| 22:13.03 | xhypno | Galapoli, like I said before you canmot move a kernel compiled on debian to other distros |
| 22:13.04 | FieldySnuts | mo1991: this could be because your ISP is blocking outbound port 25, to anything but their own MTAs. try telnet mail.somewhereelse.com 25 to see if you can connect to another smtp server. |
| 22:13.10 | xhypno | Yeah |
| 22:13.12 | Blissex | galapoli: which friendly atmophere here? :-) |
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| 22:13.25 | hikenboot | trying badblocks -n /dev/sda2 but it doesnt seem to be doing anything does this mean it is hung or what? |
| 22:13.28 | xhypno | or in /usr/src/, depends on where you unpacked the kernel |
| 22:13.29 | mo1991 | FieldySnuts - I am trying to send directly directly from this machine rather than a remote smtp?? |
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| 22:13.42 | error403 | is there an easy way to get NFS working on Debian? |
| 22:13.50 | FieldySnuts | @nfs |
| 22:13.51 | ravenbird | nfs is probably Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or http://www.j-mulders.demon.nl/unix/nis-rpc/doc/rpc/nfs-v2-protocol-specification.html for some gory details.. No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File ... |
| 22:13.53 | galapoli | Blissex: people never used to have so much attitude. that's all. some attitude, just not foolish attitude |
| 22:13.56 | tosh | are cpan perl modules apt-getable? Im looking for one, but can't seem to find it |
| 22:13.56 | Gnea | mo1991: you're missing the point: sbc yahoo dsl blocks outgoing port 25 |
| 22:14.01 | antgel | galapoli: i'm not here for the decor. i know not all machines are running debian. i also know that this is #debian. check the topic and read the guidelines |
| 22:14.01 | FieldySnuts | okay that factoid was longer than I expected, sorry |
| 22:14.18 | antgel | galapoli: if you were here trying to help people with debian you'd understan. maybe |
| 22:14.19 | mo1991 | Gnea - really, this used to work when I had fedora installed |
| 22:14.21 | Blissex | galapoli: perhaps 20-30 years ago :-) |
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| 22:14.29 | xhypno | galapoli: I manage hundreds of servers and I can tell you, a kernel compiled on debain will not run on the other distros. |
| 22:14.30 | FieldySnuts | the url in that nfs factoid is 404 anyway. |
| 22:14.45 | tosh | no fucking security |
| 22:14.46 | tosh | haha |
| 22:14.48 | Gnea | mo1991: really, it used to work up until they blocked it in february - it's not the distro's fault, it's the ISP's fault. i know, iw as on it. |
| 22:14.53 | galapoli | xhypno: ok, I believe you. But for the remaining debian machines, are the remaining headers I need to copy in /usr/include? |
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| 22:15.02 | hikenboot | hmm it just spit out a number 131072....is this a bad block? |
| 22:15.03 | mo1991 | Gnea - ah this makes sense then |
| 22:15.16 | antgel | mo1991: that is probably an old entry. tail -f the log in one xterm, then send a mail, and paste what happens to the new mail. |
| 22:15.32 | Gnea | mo1991: they started doing it earlier this year in many places around the country, it's not uncommon knowledge. |
| 22:15.46 | galapoli | antgel: how old are you? 13? |
| 22:15.53 | antgel | galapoli: 28 |
| 22:15.56 | Z_Man | how do i setup the network connection through eth0 with the testing debian? |
| 22:16.09 | AptGet | i just screwed myself |
| 22:16.18 | antgel | !tell Z_Man about reference |
| 22:16.18 | AptGet | be back must reinstall |
| 22:16.20 | Gnea | Z_Man: very carefully |
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| 22:16.23 | xhypno | Galapoli, as antgel stated, it is alot safer and quicker to allow the debian system building the kernel to build a deb, because if the system you are installing it on doesn't have the depens, it will tell you and then you can use apt-get -f install to fix the depend issues. |
| 22:16.34 | mo1991 | antgel - 28 is a good age - according to Gnea - SBC started blocking the outgoing port 25 |
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| 22:16.46 | mo1991 | is there a different server I can try to telnet to and test this? |
| 22:16.52 | green_earz | Z_Man: etherconf is a network setup tool |
| 22:16.55 | Z_Man | ok |
| 22:17.02 | blackout | is there a debian way to get madwifi cards working? |
| 22:17.08 | mo1991 | antgel - that is not an old log either |
| 22:17.16 | galapoli | xhypno: ok, right---but these systems should be identical. |
| 22:17.18 | green_earz | Z_Man: aptitude install etherconf |
| 22:17.19 | antgel | mo1991: telnet mx1.hotmail.com 25 |
| 22:17.35 | antgel | identical => neither running debian |
| 22:17.45 | Gnea | mo1991: heh, you still doubt me. cox does the same thing, and i think charter does as well. roadrunner doesn't AFAIK but that might be regional... |
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| 22:17.52 | mo1991 | antgel - the telnet did not work - I guess they do block it |
| 22:17.54 | stew | blackout: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 22:17.56 | hikenboot | this is scarry if they are bad blocks its found about 20 of em already |
| 22:17.56 | Z_Man | green_earz, that helps seeing as i have no network connection :-p |
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| 22:18.08 | mfrisch | RR DOES |
| 22:18.14 | green_earz | Z_Man: from cd or dvd |
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| 22:18.21 | mo1991 | Gnea - I no longer doubt it - can't telnet to port 25 either |
| 22:18.22 | Gnea | ah ok |
| 22:18.27 | Z_Man | it's on the CD? |
| 22:18.32 | antgel | bizarrely, when i did that telnet, part of the banner was: "Violations will result in use of equipment located in California and other states." |
| 22:18.43 | antgel | mo1991: set up exim to use a smarthost |
| 22:18.45 | mo1991 | Gnea - is there a way to set up my router to change the port this stuff goes out on? |
| 22:18.47 | blackout | stew: hey, thanks. |
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| 22:18.52 | Gnea | mo1991: yeah, you have to authenticate with your dsl user/pass to their smtp server (aka a smarthost) |
| 22:19.08 | xhypno | Galapoli, Then the deb would be even easier because it wouldn't have to dl depends and it will also be one file you have to move instead of 4-5 tar's |
| 22:19.09 | Guerin | or any other smtp server you can find |
| 22:19.09 | Gnea | mo1991: no, it's a standard |
| 22:19.19 | EvilSporkMan | i read gnome-session's README.Debian and InstallGnome in the FAQ and followed the directions, but X just starts and stops with no errors if i put exec gnome-session in there as the only exec line and run startx. |
| 22:19.20 | mfrisch | Gnea RR even blocks that |
| 22:19.20 | stew | Z_Man: etherconf is on cd1 |
| 22:19.21 | green_earz | Z_Man: then it should ask you for the cd when you run aptitude install etherconf |
| 22:19.26 | antgel | !tell rjarlote about msg |
| 22:19.28 | blackout | is there any work going into porting the BSD atheros stuff into linux? It'd be nice for that to be standard, since an open implementation exists |
| 22:19.29 | Gnea | mfrisch: yeah i read that |
| 22:19.37 | Z_Man | but i have the netinstall |
| 22:19.48 | mo1991 | Gnea - if I setup a smarthost will it still limit the # of people I send an email to? I know SBC normally makes this like 5 people - I need to send to a large list |
| 22:19.54 | Z_Man | and it didnt have me config my network before i tried to install |
| 22:19.55 | mo1991 | and no I'm not spamming |
| 22:20.05 | antgel | mo1991: then subscribe to a commercial smtp service |
| 22:20.07 | h2k | hi, i'm in trouble with sharing internet connection, the connection itself is established and fine but just no internet, i followed http://yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialIptablesNetworkGateway.html but nothing happened ?! :/ |
| 22:20.14 | stew | Z_Man: man 5 interfaces |
| 22:20.16 | antgel | mo1991: or get a good isp |
| 22:20.20 | peterS | mo1991: SBC sells a bulk email package as an add-on service with DSL |
| 22:20.31 | peterS | mo1991: you get two freebie add-ons with your service, one of them can be that |
| 22:20.33 | antgel | h2k: why not read the debian manual instead of some crap? |
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| 22:20.39 | peterS | mo1991: I have no idea how to use this service since I didn't have a need for it |
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| 22:20.41 | antgel | !tell h2k about debian reference |
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| 22:20.56 | FieldySnuts | mo1991: i'm using sbc, though it's business not residential. by default I can't send out tcp port 25 (smtp) traffic, but I can opt out. but they will bust your balls hard if you do that and abuse it |
| 22:21.20 | antgel | h2k: what do you mean sharing connection? you need to give more detail |
| 22:21.22 | peterS | FieldySnuts: you can? I noticed the block awhile back but it didn't bother me all that much because the sbc smarthost is really fast and apparently reliable |
| 22:21.45 | mo1991 | opt out? please explain - FieldySnuts - I don't use this very much so I don't think they'll complain about bandwith |
| 22:21.46 | peterS | then again I'm residential, maybe they don't offer the port 25 option to us |
| 22:21.50 | FieldySnuts | peterS: the smarthost they wanted me to use only supported some bullshit authentication that exchange or some win shit does |
| 22:21.50 | antgel | not to mention a lot of blacklists ban dynamic ips |
| 22:22.17 | h2k | antgel, what paragraph? |
| 22:22.30 | h2k | 10.6.2 Configuring an interface using DHCP? |
| 22:22.30 | xhypno | antgel: galapoli got off, I don't think he liked that I told him again you can't compile a kernel on debian for other distros. |
| 22:22.32 | samuel | is there any way to reinstall all of debian? i accidently did "rm -rv /usr" when i meant to do "rm -rv ~/usr" but cought it in time, not everything is gone - just alot of stuff... |
| 22:22.34 | FieldySnuts | i'm not dynamic but I have ended up on lists, which is total bullshit |
| 22:22.41 | peterS | FieldySnuts: ahh, mine does standard SASL AUTH, just a matter of installing libsasl2-modules and postfix-tls and a bit of configuration |
| 22:22.42 | samuel | but i dont know what |
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| 22:22.59 | antgel | xhypno: it's funny that he got all pissy |
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| 22:23.03 | FieldySnuts | these days I have my own domain with 30GB traffic per month on 6 1Gbps lines. i'm much happier |
| 22:23.04 | mfrisch | FieldySnuts how about other services do they go out? |
| 22:23.12 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: 'opt out'? |
| 22:23.16 | husein | antgel: it crashed again --> http://pastebin.com/349594 |
| 22:23.16 | hikenboot | can anyone recommend a data recovery utility...i thought there was one called mindi but its a program for creating a boot disk |
| 22:23.18 | green_earz | Z_Man: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-basic > 10.6 High level network configuration in Debian |
| 22:23.24 | antgel | h2k: not sure that reference has anything on routing. you need to give proper detail as to what you're doing. |
| 22:23.33 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: opt out of them blocking outgoing tcp port 25. yeah it's badly worded, they chose it |
| 22:23.35 | antgel | husein: save me the click. same error? |
| 22:23.36 | peterS | Gnea: fieldy means you can tell them you need to use outbound port 25 and they'll stop filtering it, but they'll really nail you if they catch you spamming |
| 22:23.45 | mo1991 | FieldySnuts antgel Gnea - There used to be a windows program that I would send with called advanced mass sender - it would break up my list of 100 addresses and send say 20 messages each to 5 recipients to fool SBC's 5 recipient limit - anything like this for linux? |
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| 22:23.55 | FieldySnuts | they might only do that with business class though, i don't know |
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| 22:23.59 | husein | antgel; no |
| 22:24.04 | FieldySnuts | running an mta on dynamic is pretty stupid |
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| 22:24.14 | FieldySnuts | even if you don't have problems, you're going to end up on a shitload of blacklists |
| 22:24.22 | Gnea | mo1991: so you want to spam. |
| 22:24.38 | Gnea | peterS: ah, hrm... |
| 22:24.42 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: if he opts out and spams, they will really come down hard on him, they watch it closely |
| 22:24.47 | mo1991 | Gnea - this is for a list that people suscribe to |
| 22:24.50 | samuel | how do i get a list from apt of all the packages installed? |
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| 22:25.03 | antgel | mo1991: why not run a proper mailing list? |
| 22:25.13 | |Comrade| | hinet :) |
| 22:25.15 | Gnea | mo1991: the only way i can see getting them to do that is to have proper spam filters on your end |
| 22:25.17 | mo1991 | antgel - can I do that even if they block port 25? |
| 22:25.18 | mfrisch | FieldySnuts how about other services do they go out? IAX2? |
| 22:25.20 | green_earz | samuel: dpkg -l | more |
| 22:25.21 | peterS | mo1991: yeah, for mailing lists, probably best to just lease a colo server or something |
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| 22:25.37 | FieldySnuts | mfrisch: smtp was the only one I ever had problems with. oh. well they block outgoing SNMP, but i don't care. |
| 22:25.37 | Gnea | antgel: define a 'proper' mailing list? |
| 22:25.37 | antgel | yes. you send the mail via their smarthost to the list address |
| 22:25.39 | peterS | mo1991: or just buy mailing list service from a provider of such |
| 22:25.49 | xhypno | Can someone take a look at this problem and make a suggestion.. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356951 |
| 22:25.50 | samuel | green_earz, thx |
| 22:25.53 | mo1991 | will mailman work if port 25 is blocked??? |
| 22:25.56 | green_earz | np |
| 22:25.56 | antgel | Gnea: one that's not 100 addresses being sent 5 at a time |
| 22:25.59 | peterS | antgel: the problem there is the smarthost severely rate-limits outgoing mail, to prevent spam |
| 22:26.00 | mfrisch | FieldySnuts THANKS |
| 22:26.17 | antgel | peterS: i didn't mean run the listserv behind his adsl |
| 22:26.19 | peterS | mo1991: it'll work, through your smarthost, but you'll be subject to the smarthost's rate limiting |
| 22:26.24 | Z_Man | green_earz, i dont have an eth0 |
| 22:26.28 | FieldySnuts | though. it is a lot easier to pay some hosting place, get a domain, use that for mail etc |
| 22:26.38 | mo1991 | I'll try mailman |
| 22:26.44 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: agreed. |
| 22:26.50 | mo1991 | and try to get sbc to unblock port 25 |
| 22:26.52 | antgel | i meant either rent a server, or there must be public mailing lists out there. yahoog groups etc |
| 22:27.00 | peterS | mo1991: yeah, mailman doesn't particularly care if exim / postfix are set up to send everything to a smarthost |
| 22:27.05 | green_earz | samuel: and very handy debian link > "Debian Reference" > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
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| 22:27.14 | husein | antgel: no help? |
| 22:27.15 | FieldySnuts | i have one on a quad xeon connected to six seperate 1Gbps connections ;p obviously I didn't go the Value route |
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| 22:27.28 | antgel | husein: ffs, calm down. i'm not your skivvy! |
| 22:27.35 | alvanson | FieldySnuts, holy crap |
| 22:27.46 | FieldySnuts | shared system, but you'd never know |
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| 22:28.05 | LittleWoodenBoy | hey there, can somebody help me with an xsession problem? i just installed e17 cvs stylee and added this into /usr/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop http://rafb.net/paste/results/NC4YG580.html, but kdm tells me that my enlightenment xsession is invalid and to select another or default will be used (before i select it), how do i fix it? |
| 22:28.05 | |Comrade| | i'm drewling |
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| 22:28.23 | antgel | husein: what about 2.4? is this with a stable iso? |
| 22:28.37 | sinned | if you only have one partion for each MD device with software raid does it make sense to partion harddrives when you use software raid? |
| 22:28.38 | husein | antgel: soory. i does not mean that. |
| 22:28.46 | mfrisch | FieldySnuts Thats alot of p0rn! |
| 22:28.56 | FieldySnuts | ~hack mfrisch |
| 22:28.58 | apt | ACTION 0WnZ mfrisch and steals all of the p0rn on the hard drive. |
| 22:28.58 | peterS | sinned: yes. one big partition is better than no partitions |
| 22:29.00 | husein | antgel: i dont underestad you |
| 22:29.07 | xhypno | anyone have a suggestion? or how about this who is using debian on a laptop? |
| 22:29.10 | peterS | sinned: because tools get less confused that way. you can theoretically go either way but it's not worth fighting the tools |
| 22:29.19 | meds | xhypno: i am, ibook g4 |
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| 22:29.34 | antgel | husein: did you try installing 2.4? what version of debian are you trying to install? |
| 22:29.45 | sinned | peterS: no what I mean is it worth breaking up seperate MD devices for / /boot /usr /tmp /var etc... |
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| 22:29.56 | green_earz | Z_Man: what do ifconfig say |
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| 22:30.05 | peterS | sinned: oh. /boot cannot be on a raid partition unless it's raid1. that's your main constraint. |
| 22:30.08 | tosh | xhypno that looks fucked up |
| 22:30.13 | antgel | husein: and why are you trying an expert install at all? |
| 22:30.18 | debianCreed | so it's not possible to dissassemble a self-extracing file ending in .exe?? |
| 22:30.22 | husein | Anders: debian-31r0a-i386-netinst |
| 22:30.23 | xhypno | meds: I am on the intel side, thanks neways |
| 22:30.24 | tosh | xhypno did you try a 2.2 kernel, 2.4 kernel, 2.6, etc? |
| 22:30.25 | peterS | sinned: so like, not raid 0, raid 4, raid 5, raid 6, raid 1+0 |
| 22:30.31 | sinned | peterS: it is raid1 |
| 22:30.34 | husein | antgel: i was said that |
| 22:30.45 | Shadowcat | debianCreed: it's called use windows to extract it |
| 22:30.49 | green_earz | Z_Man: does it see the eth |
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| 22:31.09 | peterS | sinned: then your decision to use multiple partitions is not really raid-related. do or do not |
| 22:31.11 | debianCreed | Shadowcat: how about Wine? would Winde do the job? |
| 22:31.15 | xhypno | tosh: I tired 2.4 and 2.6, but I don't have a woody cd any more, got to find one |
| 22:31.34 | Shadowcat | debianCreed: and what exactly is the problem of taking it to a windows box? |
| 22:31.34 | tosh | xhypno tried booting another distro to see if its debian related? |
| 22:31.38 | xhypno | tosh: I tried sarge, etch, and sid with both kernels |
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| 22:31.47 | Shadowcat | if you freaking want to work with windows executables |
| 22:31.48 | Shadowcat | install the damn os |
| 22:31.56 | Shadowcat | this is linux |
| 22:32.00 | xhypno | tosh: ubuntu, linspire, mephis, and knoppix run fine. |
| 22:32.04 | sinned | haha |
| 22:32.04 | Shadowcat | it's not "understand every binary os" |
| 22:32.21 | green_earz | xhypno: boot knoppix on the box to see if its debian friendly |
| 22:32.31 | mfrisch | Shadowcat maybe though |
| 22:32.32 | Shadowcat | it's about as pointless as running windows in vmware on linux just so that you can use mirc |
| 22:32.47 | tosh | xhypno try booting another kernel? |
| 22:32.56 | MaCa | Does debian's default packaging of apache1.3 and apache2 allow both versions to co-exists in the same box? |
| 22:32.57 | xhypno | green_earz: knoppix, ubuntu, mephis, and linspire all work fine. |
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| 22:33.01 | debianCreed | Shadowcat: good idea, how can I transfer files from my linux putter to a XP putter through a crossover or ethernet or whatever means? |
| 22:33.14 | Z_Man | well i'll just install stable then install testing over that |
| 22:33.18 | Z_Man | thanks |
| 22:33.20 | Shadowcat | mount an smb volume and transfer? |
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| 22:33.21 | peterS | MaCa: sure. make sure to adjust port numbers |
| 22:33.22 | xhypno | tosh: I have tried all 6 install kernels in the sarge and etch installers and the 2 in sid's |
| 22:33.32 | antgel | husein: not a clue. try installing a different distro, e.g. ubuntu. you sound newish anyway. or try the debian-laptop mailing list. |
| 22:33.34 | green_earz | xhypno: is your install fall over ? |
| 22:33.35 | Shadowcat | xhypno: why the hell are you even considering sid? |
| 22:33.49 | MaCa | peterS: ok. thanx |
| 22:34.00 | xhypno | Shadowcat: just trying to get a debian install on the laptop |
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| 22:34.09 | xhypno | green_earz fall over?? |
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| 22:34.12 | Shadowcat | xhypno: yes and? |
| 22:34.13 | LSorense | A-arm |
| 22:34.16 | Shadowcat | you still don't install sid |
| 22:34.33 | xhypno | Shadowcat: ?? |
| 22:34.42 | Shadowcat | you don't seem to grasp the concept of sid |
| 22:34.44 | Shadowcat | !sid |
| 22:34.44 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 22:34.46 | stew | i wonder what MOVE.L $D0,A0($F2A0 F7DA E09F E3F6) does |
| 22:34.46 | green_earz | xhypno: check the cd or dve for its integrity. boot the cd and get to the main menu and run the integrity check option |
| 22:34.50 | Shadowcat | !unstable |
| 22:34.50 | dpkg | methinks unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid |
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| 22:35.11 | xhypno | green_earz: the cd checks fine |
| 22:35.23 | peterS | stew: what CPU? a 64-bit one? |
| 22:35.43 | Shadowcat | pulling in packages from sid just to see "if this works" is a recipe for disaster |
| 22:35.51 | green_earz | green_earz: whats happening ? |
| 22:35.54 | xhypno | Shadowcat: wow, a lesson to someone using debian for close to 5 years. Try a netinstall and get back to me |
| 22:35.59 | stew | peterS: dunno, avrfreak's /quit message |
| 22:36.05 | Shadowcat | xhypno: ok fair enough |
| 22:36.09 | Shadowcat | I'll bite |
| 22:36.17 | Shadowcat | what exactly isn't working on your laptop? |
| 22:36.24 | h2k | still, i have no clue why internet connection sharing won't work, any ideas how to get to the problem? |
| 22:36.27 | Shadowcat | and what is the complete hardware configuration? |
| 22:36.31 | debianCreed | is there a way to transfer stuff outta linux to XP?? |
| 22:36.33 | xhypno | Shadowcat: I wasn't pulling. I prefer sarge, just seeing if it was the install or something else. |
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| 22:36.53 | peterS | stew: looks like assembly language but I can't think what CPU that would be. most of the 64-bit chips are also RISC and that's not very riscy |
| 22:36.58 | Shadowcat | I've been messing with software suspend2 on my laptop all week |
| 22:37.18 | Rucas | is debian for sparc 32-bit or 64-bit? |
| 22:37.18 | peterS | stew: maybe that something horrid from the Itanium world |
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| 22:37.23 | peterS | Rucas: both |
| 22:37.24 | xhypno | It seems to hang after the i810 audio and usb with discover and hotplug. I have even init=/bin/sh'ed the box and dpkg -P the 2 packages and it still did it. |
| 22:37.27 | samuel | are there any programs (apt-cache comes to mind) that have a database and can tell you if some files are missing from the installed packages? |
| 22:37.29 | dondelelcaro | xhypno: which laptop are we talking about here? exactly how is it failing? |
| 22:37.32 | peterS | Rucas: the kernel is 32-bit or 64-bit, most of userspace is 32-bit because that's faster |
| 22:37.36 | green_earz | debianCreed: you could put a ftp server on debian and just ftp in. that one way |
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| 22:37.38 | Shadowcat | xhypno: you still haven't given us the hardware configuration |
| 22:37.43 | Rucas | peterS: i see |
| 22:37.44 | aarkerio | como puedo definir una llave primaria en una tabla ya creada? |
| 22:37.50 | FieldySnuts | ingles please |
| 22:37.54 | xhypno | dondelelcaro: an HP dv1240us |
| 22:37.56 | Shadowcat | !english |
| 22:37.56 | dpkg | well, english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 22:37.56 | debianCreed | green_earz: is that easy? |
| 22:38.00 | xhypno | Can someone take a look at this problem and make a suggestion.. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356951 |
| 22:38.02 | dondelelcaro | xhypno: so use the expert26 mode or similar, and don't load those modules; if necessary, use the nousb options |
| 22:38.17 | debianCreed | dpkg how about shutting up!! |
| 22:38.24 | xhypno | dondelelcaro: I have tried, and some how it still loads them |
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| 22:38.32 | error403 | how do i kill a particular X server display?> |
| 22:38.33 | green_earz | debianCreed: very aptitude install proftpd |
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| 22:38.37 | xhypno | hey, dpkg is our firend ;) |
| 22:38.39 | tosh | xhypno try mailing a kernel mailinglist :/ |
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| 22:38.44 | peterS | Rucas: strange but true - the extra memory wasted by instructions talking about 64-bit addresses everywhere turns out to eat up too much cache and memory bandwidth and slow down the machine. having a 64-bit address space almost never makes up for this |
| 22:38.45 | dondelelcaro | xhypno: do you have lines for them in your /etc/modules ? |
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| 22:39.02 | green_earz | debianCreed: aptitude show proftpd |
| 22:39.13 | mo1991 | Can someone tell me a good way to run a program at a certain time say once a week - like backing up the system?? |
| 22:39.17 | debianCreed | green_earz: will that program recognize XP outta the box? I mean how do I tell they are connected to begin with |
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| 22:39.29 | xhypno | I have modified the boot line with init=/bin/sh to get a shell. I then added the modules to /etc/modules and still it locked |
| 22:39.30 | FieldySnuts | cron |
| 22:39.38 | dondelelcaro | xhypno: no, remove them. |
| 22:39.39 | green_earz | debianCreed: then on the xp box get a ftp client |
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| 22:39.52 | dondelelcaro | xhypno: and exactly where is it locking? |
| 22:40.00 | xhypno | done that too, and blacklisted them in hotplug |
| 22:40.02 | Wuiqed | I just installed Sarge with the 2.6 kernel and I can't get anysound from my regular external speaker, only the internal motherboard speaker. How can I change that? |
| 22:40.29 | xhypno | It is locking right after the activation f uhci_hdc |
| 22:40.36 | debianCreed | green_earz: XP already has the client? |
| 22:40.41 | xhypno | Sometimes freezes at Generating fonts |
| 22:40.46 | Shadowcat | xhypno: ever try creating a custom cd? |
| 22:40.53 | green_earz | debianCreed: perfect |
| 22:40.58 | xhypno | Shadowcat: that I have not |
| 22:41.04 | dondelelcaro | xhypno: wait, it doesn't always freeze at the same point? |
| 22:41.07 | debianCreed | green_earz: then I don't need no SAMBA? |
| 22:41.17 | knix | How do I get a new "available" file for apt? /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 22:41.24 | dondelelcaro | !tell knix -about available |
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| 22:41.35 | debianCreed | green_earz: wait, I was asking whether XP comes with an FTP client or I have to get one |
| 22:41.41 | green_earz | debianCreed: you could but just to move files i would say ftp.and it do |
| 22:41.45 | Rucas | what's the point of having a 64-bit kernel with only 32-bit userspace? |
| 22:41.45 | xhypno | dondelelcaro: it does, just if I hit crtl-c a few times it seems to get a tiny bit farther |
| 22:41.56 | dondelelcaro | xhypno: uh... then it hasn't locked |
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| 22:42.00 | FieldySnuts | windows comes with two but they are peices of shit (ie, ftp) |
| 22:42.01 | Rucas | i don't understand lol |
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| 22:42.06 | FieldySnuts | install ncftp client on windows |
| 22:42.07 | nvz | debianCreed: probably has a text-based one built in to the cmdline "ftp" and MSIE probably has FTP support as well |
| 22:42.29 | dondelelcaro | xhypno: you've just got a process that is taking forever. Identify which one it is, and disable it from starting. |
| 22:42.35 | knix | dondelelcaro, That didn't work |
| 22:42.42 | knix | dondelelcaro, I tried deleting it and then running update, no go =/ |
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| 22:42.50 | dondelelcaro | knix: dselect update. |
| 22:42.53 | xhypno | hmmm... |
| 22:42.54 | green_earz | debianCreed: if you do drop a ftp server on debian, its better to have that box on a static ip address. so you can all way find it |
| 22:42.56 | dondelelcaro | knix: not apt-get update. |
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| 22:45.45 | green_earz | here we goooooooooooo |
| 22:45.45 | werw | ¿? |
| 22:45.45 | green_earz | just slippping along |
| 22:45.46 | jdhutchin1 | uh oh |
| 22:45.46 | green_earz | yes did the earth move for you as well |
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| 22:54.22 | resiak | Yay! |
| 22:54.22 | xhypno | lol |
| 22:54.22 | xhypno | NickServ is still down though |
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| 22:56.43 | xhypno | NickServ is still down though |
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| 22:56.44 | green_earz | weeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 22:56.44 | hcy | abrotman: so i can just apt-get it? |
| 22:56.44 | abrotman | wtf .. |
| 22:56.44 | FieldySnuts | i bet #debian-overflow is fun now |
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| 22:56.44 | xhypno | lol |
| 22:56.45 | abrotman | how the fuck am i supposed to register if i can't msg the stupid fucking nickserv |
| 22:56.45 | gazobox | hah |
| 22:56.45 | abrotman | hcy: yes |
| 22:56.45 | FieldySnuts | tough cookies |
| 22:56.45 | znx | oO |
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| 22:56.45 | abrotman | how fucking stupid is that |
| 22:56.45 | harleyg | wtf is freenode doing |
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| 22:56.46 | xhypno | man I can't send privs because the NickServ won't let me send my pass to it, lol |
| 22:56.46 | peterS | xhypno: it's probably netsplut from you |
| 22:56.46 | concept10 | someone out there has been handing Freenode a stiff one |
| 22:56.46 | green_earz | back the the start again |
| 22:56.46 | FieldySnuts | netjoins and splits |
| 22:56.46 | hcy | abrotman: it won't interfere with my running apache right? |
| 22:56.46 | *** mode/#debian [-J] by Md |
| 22:56.46 | gazobox | admins having some fun |
| 22:56.47 | xhypno | lol |
| 22:56.47 | knix | God damn, freenode is FUUUUCCKKEEDD |
| 22:56.47 | green_earz | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 22:56.47 | abrotman | hcy: no |
| 22:56.47 | gazobox | spambots deeds |
| 22:56.47 | abrotman | xhypno: no .. it's here .. but i can't fucking resgister! |
| 22:56.47 | FieldySnuts | uh, -J 25,10 doesn't seem to be helping much |
| 22:56.47 | znx | Shadowcat: hehe.. i was wrong side of the split.. god damn it ;) |
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| 22:56.47 | dondelelcaro | Md: it actually hasn't even hit the J yet |
| 22:56.47 | knix | Ok, dpkg is now complaining about fgets giving an empty string from my "diversions" file in /var/lib/dpkg/diversions, how do I update/restore that? |
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| 22:56.48 | FieldySnuts | really? hm okay |
| 22:56.48 | xhypno | I have been reged for a year now |
| 22:56.49 | gazobox | they are hammering server bad |
| 22:56.51 | hcy | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 22:56.53 | Md | dondelelcaro: just to be sure... after the previous crashes some people could not connect |
| 22:56.54 | FieldySnuts | they who |
| 22:56.54 | green_earz | its make it more fun ? slipppp away |
| 22:56.54 | hcy | abrotman: i'll try |
| 22:56.54 | apokryphos | how can you browse dpkg's memory? |
| 22:57.01 | abrotman | brb |
| 22:57.02 | concept10 | I wonder who waked up in the morning and says lets attack freenode |
| 22:57.06 | xhypno | apt-cache search <name> |
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| 22:57.10 | peterS | apokryphos: /msg dpkg my factoids |
| 22:57.10 | FieldySnuts | it's not an attack, it's a netjoin after a split |
| 22:57.14 | gazobox | haha |
| 22:57.16 | Shadowcat | znx: since when is that news? |
| 22:57.16 | gazobox | some kiddie |
| 22:57.17 | apokryphos | peterS: thanks |
| 22:57.18 | Md | concept10: our lead coder... :-) |
| 22:57.19 | blackout | i'm pretty sure my question got lost in the noise there, so i'll re-ask: |
| 22:57.19 | abrotman | ok .. this is stupid |
| 22:57.20 | znx | concept10: someone -brain.. i think |
| 22:57.20 | karsten | apokryphos: package manager or bot? |
| 22:57.21 | blackout | i'm a little confused as to what NX support in linux is right now - is NX supported by default for AMD64 processors? is it on by default for x86s? |
| 22:57.22 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.26 | FieldySnuts | ok? |
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| 22:57.30 | apokryphos | karsten: bot :) |
| 22:57.30 | abrotman | NX ? |
| 22:57.31 | znx | Shadowcat: kiss my hiny |
| 22:57.32 | abrotman | !nx |
| 22:57.32 | concept10 | im talking about the recent attacks FieldySnuts |
| 22:57.33 | dpkg | from memory, nx is http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
| 22:57.33 | smo_ | can i convert ntfs parttion to fat on lnux?? |
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| 22:57.37 | smo_ | without formatting |
| 22:57.37 | Shadowcat | znx: you don't have one |
| 22:57.39 | karsten | abrotman: NoMachine |
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| 22:59.05 | blackout | what I meant was no-execute - should've been more clear |
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| 22:59.07 | znx | Shadowcat: what the hell im i sitting on then? |
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| 22:59.07 | peterS | smo_: have to back up / restore the contents |
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| 22:59.08 | karsten | FieldySnuts: Yes, you did. It's been a long weekend. |
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| 22:59.09 | PropagandaKing | Debian is laced with IP issues |
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| 22:59.09 | smo_ | partition magic only? |
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| 22:59.10 | znx | FieldySnuts: did you not see the +E stuff? |
| 22:59.10 | apokryphos | peterS: it's not searchable -- that's rubbish. :D |
| 22:59.10 | FieldySnuts | ~troll PropagandaKing |
| 22:59.13 | apt | ACTION hereby declares PropagandaKing a troll |
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| 22:59.13 | Shadowcat | znx: I removed your hiny() function a long time ago :P |
| 22:59.13 | gazobox | there we go :( |
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| 22:59.13 | green_earz | its cheap that the main thing |
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| 22:59.13 | gazobox | there we go :D |
| 22:59.14 | PropagandaKing | especially apt-get |
| 22:59.14 | concept10 | green_earz: im not smart enough |
| 22:59.14 | peterS | apokryphos: nonsense, you can search with 'listkeys' and 'listvals' |
| 22:59.14 | smo_ | i had too much mistakes with p magic so ..... |
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| 22:59.14 | PropagandaKing | apt-get was invented by the SCO |
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| 22:59.14 | xhypno | wow, can anyone else identify??? |
| 22:59.14 | znx | wb gazobox |
| 22:59.14 | peterS | apokryphos: anyway, 'my factoids' tells you where to download the raw mysql database dump |
| 22:59.14 | knix | How do I get a new diversions file? |
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| 22:59.14 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: while you're wearing your muscles .. can you get rid of PropagandaKing |
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| 22:59.15 | FieldySnuts | it is NORMAL for services to be slow or even refuse msgs during netjoins |
| 22:59.15 | green_earz | concept10: but working on it i bet |
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| 22:59.15 | xhypno | apt-get created by SCO???? Ah, NO! |
| 22:59.15 | FieldySnuts | because they are under intense load |
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| 22:59.15 | znx | xhypno: apparently some are having troubles |
| 22:59.16 | mwilson | knix: You don't. |
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| 22:59.16 | xhypno | znx: lol. thnks |
| 22:59.16 | green_earz | concept10: make thing more intresting |
| 22:59.17 | concept10 | green_earz: for what? I dont give a crap about freenode |
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| 22:59.18 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 22:59.23 | gazobox | lol |
| 22:59.24 | xhypno | ;s |
| 22:59.25 | knix | mwilson, I need one. lol |
| 22:59.37 | green_earz | concept10: thats ok then |
| 22:59.37 | Xenguy | Q: is there anyway I can update PHP4 without installing version 2 Apache? |
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| 22:59.48 | knix | mwilson, apt is complaining about fgets returning nothing from my diversions file, so I need to update it or something |
| 23:00.05 | abrotman | Xenguy: yes |
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| 23:00.29 | Xenguy | abrotman: throw me a bone |
| 23:00.34 | abrotman | Xenguy: upgrade your apache first probably |
| 23:00.43 | mwilson | knix: Well, I have no idea what error you might be getting, but the diversions file is something that's created and maintained by dpkg-divert. It's not static. |
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| 23:00.48 | Xenguy | abrotman: thank you, I'll try that |
| 23:00.48 | abrotman | Xenguy: it's triyng to install cadium ? |
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| 23:00.58 | dondelelcaro | knix: why don't you have a diversions file? Did you delete /var or something? |
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| 23:01.03 | abrotman | wait .. how come sussudio got his cloak ... |
| 23:01.05 | mwilson | knix: Packages add and delete entries from it as required. |
| 23:01.13 | smo_ | and if i have a external drive with 107 go free and just 1 ntfs part |
| 23:01.14 | knix | I didn't delete it |
| 23:01.16 | Xenguy | abrotman: I don't see cadium in the list |
| 23:01.19 | smo_ | cna i make a new part?? |
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| 23:01.25 | knix | I thinkt he problem is that I haven't updated since X.org and all of the new shit was put into unstable |
| 23:01.28 | knix | So apt hates me lol |
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| 23:01.37 | abrotman | much better |
| 23:01.42 | knix | I _have_ a diversions file, it's just empty |
| 23:01.47 | dondelelcaro | knix: no, that has nothing to do with a missing diversions file |
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| 23:01.57 | dondelelcaro | knix: you should restore yours from a backup then |
| 23:01.59 | abrotman | mwilson: don't do it .. you'll regret it :) |
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| 23:02.14 | mwilson | abrotman: Why? I use bash for /bin/sh. ^_^ |
| 23:02.20 | bucky | mwilson can handle it |
| 23:02.22 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 23:02.33 | concept10 | znx: meat consumed by a playboy bunny |
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| 23:02.41 | znx | :\ hehe |
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| 23:02.54 | mwilson | abrotman: You see, I'm that rare breed... an unstable user who actually reads bug reports. |
| 23:03.00 | mwilson | abrotman: j/k |
| 23:03.11 | abrotman | mwilson: i heard there are three others :) |
| 23:03.18 | Devrethman | this is retarded, i can't msg nickserv to identify because it says i am not identified |
| 23:03.32 | abrotman | Devrethman: quit and join again .. worked for me :) |
| 23:03.40 | xhypno | lol, alot of people can't right now. |
| 23:03.44 | bucky | there maybe others.. but they have never been captured in the wild |
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| 23:04.33 | mwilson | grrr... stupid nickserv |
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| 23:04.38 | concept10 | Anyone know a good channel to talk about web formats AJAX, RSS ... web2.0 type of stuff? |
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| 23:04.39 | Devrethman | it's still saying it, but whateve |
| 23:04.50 | dondelelcaro | apparently /quote ns id password; works |
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| 23:05.33 | rend | I thought there used to be more people in here? |
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| 23:05.37 | abrotman | huh? |
| 23:05.50 | rend | there are less than 400 people in here now |
| 23:05.52 | jdhutchin1 | rend, freenode is going through a series of splits |
| 23:05.52 | mwilson | That works. |
| 23:05.53 | abrotman | rend: there are .. but freenode just threw up all over the net |
| 23:05.54 | Xenguy | abrotman: hrm, I updated apache1.3, but PHP4 updates still wants to install Apache v2 -- thanks anyway for the tip |
| 23:06.05 | abrotman | Xenguy: did you also update libapache-mod-php4 ? |
| 23:06.08 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Thank you. |
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| 23:06.11 | rend | abrotman: sounds smelly |
| 23:06.17 | Devrethman | apt won't let me install openoffice |
| 23:06.19 | mircea_tm | how to install valknut? |
| 23:06.24 | Xenguy | abrotman: I will try that (I don't think so) |
| 23:06.28 | Devrethman | E: Package openoffice.org-bin has no installation candidate |
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| 23:06.33 | abrotman | Xenguy: it's trying to install cadium right ? |
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| 23:06.49 | Xenguy | abrotman: checking again... |
| 23:06.50 | rend | I didn't know the ircd is running on debian? |
| 23:06.53 | stew | Xenguy: is it installing apache2 or apache2-common? |
| 23:06.59 | abrotman | rend: huh? |
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| 23:07.26 | Devrethman | any ideas? I really need to get this working... |
| 23:07.27 | Xenguy | abrotman: I don't see cadium yet, no |
| 23:07.32 | znx | rend: attempted 'joke' |
| 23:07.33 | Xenguy | stew: checking... |
| 23:07.33 | abrotman | odd .. ok |
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| 23:08.09 | rend | znx: that was lame |
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| 23:08.27 | znx | rend: also see 'troll' ;) |
| 23:08.30 | Xenguy | abrotman stew My mistake, it wants apache2-common, not apache2 :-) |
| 23:08.38 | rjarlote | please help me |
| 23:08.41 | abrotman | Xenguy: but still .. it shouldn't require that |
| 23:08.41 | rjarlote | using hotplug |
| 23:08.50 | rjarlote | i have it installef |
| 23:08.56 | abrotman | ~depends libapache-mod-php4 |
| 23:08.59 | rjarlote | but does't work |
| 23:09.11 | abrotman | Xenguy: make sure all those ^^ are up to date |
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| 23:09.25 | rend | ugotnext: you troll |
| 23:09.28 | Xenguy | abrotman: yeah I would have expected 1.3 and 2 to be seperated out, but this is Sid I'm running, so I get what I deserver ;-) |
| 23:09.36 | abrotman | mwilson: you just missed your chance to complain when he was here :) |
| 23:09.38 | mircea_tm | hel! : how to install valknut? :) |
| 23:09.39 | Xenguy | er, deserve* |
| 23:09.47 | Xenguy | abrotman: OK |
| 23:09.56 | stew | !depends apache-common |
| 23:09.58 | SerajewelKS | qemu is the rox0rs |
| 23:10.01 | mwilson | abrotman: 's OK, I was reading d-d |
| 23:10.03 | abrotman | Xenguy: one of those has a screwed up dep .. it happened before about .... 6 months ago iirc |
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| 23:10.08 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:10.15 | rend | znx: is a troll someone who makes stuff up? |
| 23:10.22 | stew | Xenguy: i think apache-common depends on apache2-utils which brings in apache2-common, its not the actual apache2 server |
| 23:10.25 | oatis | is there a way to map an ssh session as a folder? like mount it somehow? |
| 23:10.32 | abrotman | !shfs |
| 23:10.34 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 23:10.35 | abrotman | @shfs |
| 23:10.41 | abrotman | oatis: yeah .. sffs |
| 23:10.42 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 23:10.43 | Devrethman | any ideas as to why apt would say that openoffice-bin has "no installation candidate"?? |
| 23:10.43 | abrotman | shfs |
| 23:10.46 | rend | ugotnext: whats fc4? |
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| 23:10.52 | znx | rend: wikipedia and google is your friend :) |
| 23:10.54 | abrotman | !tell oatis about shfs |
| 23:10.58 | Xenguy | stew: yep, looks something along those lines (you were right, apache2 is not required) |
| 23:11.04 | ugotnext | jdhutchin1: |
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| 23:11.10 | ugotnext | jdhutchin1: I know... |
| 23:11.13 | abrotman | rend: fedora crap version #4 |
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| 23:11.24 | mwilson | abrotman: He says that the udev README describes how to get it to leave /dev alone. I'm looking for that doc now. |
| 23:11.26 | ugotnext | jdhutchin1: I was still annoyed at the splits tho |
| 23:11.29 | rend | isnt that someone from redhat? |
| 23:11.33 | abrotman | mwilson: it exists ? |
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| 23:11.34 | stew | Devrethman: openoffice.org-bin |
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| 23:11.54 | oatis | abrotman, cool ill look at it thanks |
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| 23:11.59 | rend | redhat costs too much money. |
| 23:12.07 | Devrethman | stew:that doesn't work either |
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| 23:12.19 | abrotman | Devrethman: which versino of debian? |
| 23:12.24 | minux | Hello people |
| 23:12.26 | Devrethman | sid i believe |
| 23:12.35 | abrotman | !info openoffice.org-bin |
| 23:12.36 | stew | !info openoffice.org-bin |
| 23:12.37 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:12.38 | abrotman | god dam nit |
| 23:12.42 | abrotman | dpkg: come back! |
| 23:12.43 | ricky_clarkson | muchos versinos! |
| 23:12.50 | stew | ~info openoffice.org-bin |
| 23:12.52 | mwilson | abrotman: I don't know if it exists or not. Looking for it now. |
| 23:13.05 | rend | why should I install debian other other distributions? |
| 23:13.05 | ricky_clarkson | debianCreed: Buenasssss. |
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| 23:13.15 | ricky_clarkson | rend: /msg apt why debian |
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| 23:13.24 | Debird | this is a frustrating day for everyone. i feel a bit better now (not really) |
| 23:13.39 | rend | ricky_clarkson: apt can't /msg me because of spambot attacks |
| 23:13.44 | minux | I've heard that you guys are annoying and that you hate newbies that ask stuff, is that true? Because, if it is, I would love being here. |
| 23:13.50 | Devrethman | thanks, i know what openoffice is |
| 23:13.51 | abrotman | Devrethman: apt-get update;apt-get install openoffice.org-bin |
| 23:14.01 | Devrethman | i updated 2 minutes ago |
| 23:14.03 | mwilson | minux: No, we hate stupid people. |
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| 23:14.08 | ricky_clarkson | rend: You should identify to nickserv. Meanwhile: |
| 23:14.10 | debianCreed | ricky_clarkson: are you learning? |
| 23:14.12 | ricky_clarkson | ~why debian |
| 23:14.16 | apt | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://ext2.org/99/02/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 23:14.22 | ricky_clarkson | debianCreed: I am always learning. |
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| 23:14.28 | minux | mwilson: Ah, a much better explanation. |
| 23:14.28 | stew | Devrethman: paste your sources.list into #flood or paster /msg dpkg paster |
| 23:14.35 | debianCreed | ricky_clarkson: no I am saying the language |
| 23:14.44 | ricky_clarkson | debianCreed: Yes. |
| 23:14.48 | mwilson | No, he's lying again, or at least it's not in README.Debian. |
| 23:14.51 | debianCreed | ricky_clarkson: are you in the Empire? |
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| 23:14.56 | rend | I do identify but you cna't identify right now |
| 23:15.08 | abrotman | rend: /quit .. rejoin |
| 23:15.12 | ricky_clarkson | debianCreed: Which empire? |
| 23:15.23 | debianCreed | ricky_clarkson: USA EMPIRE |
| 23:15.25 | rend | abrotman: how would that do any good? |
| 23:15.32 | abrotman | rend: it worked for me .. nfc why |
| 23:15.32 | Debird | Does anyone know where I can buy a current Spammer Hunting License? The one I have expires on Thursday. |
| 23:15.39 | ugotnext | use rm -rf / to quit |
| 23:15.39 | oatis | abrotman, "shfsmount: shfs filesystem not supported by the kernel" is that an issue with my box? |
| 23:15.42 | ricky_clarkson | debianCreed: I'm in the United States of Britannia. |
| 23:15.42 | Devrethman | there, pasted it in #flood |
| 23:15.49 | ugotnext | I'mk read that some where I will try it now |
| 23:15.52 | abrotman | oatis: probably .. and i've never used shfs |
| 23:15.52 | gazobox | haha |
| 23:15.59 | rend | ugotnext: I wont fall for that one again.. last time it removed everything from my /tmp and home directory |
| 23:16.01 | maher | oatis: use module-assistant to build the shfs module... |
| 23:16.27 | abrotman | guess what |
| 23:16.37 | abrotman | the spambots are back |
| 23:16.40 | rend | ugotnext: does freenode really run on debian? |
| 23:16.43 | debianCreed | ricky_clarkson: ohh... 'cause if you were here there are tons of Latinos, I don't know much about there though, how's it? can you practice with people? |
| 23:16.44 | ricky_clarkson | You wore your sister's knickers? |
| 23:17.08 | Debird | abrotman: they been sending me this webcam shit and I have about had it |
| 23:17.08 | ricky_clarkson | debianCreed: I go to a salsa club run by Spaniards and populated with Latinos. |
| 23:17.09 | Devrethman | why do people use spambots anyway? |
| 23:17.14 | Devrethman | nobody pays attention to them |
| 23:17.18 | ugotnext | rend: actually debian on VMware one nt 3.51 |
| 23:17.22 | rend | Devrethman: they wouldn't do it if it didn't work? |
| 23:17.23 | abrotman | Debird: /umode +E or /mode Debird +E |
| 23:17.26 | ugotnext | one = on |
| 23:17.30 | ricky_clarkson | Devrethman: Because some idiot will click. |
| 23:17.32 | rend | ugotnext: thats why the netrejoins are so slow then. |
| 23:17.42 | debianCreed | ricky_clarkson: ok, then that's the perfect place to learn plenty watch out the latinas ;-) |
| 23:17.46 | ugotnext | rend: it all makes sense now... |
| 23:18.01 | rend | debianCreed: you have many nude pics of sexy latinas? |
| 23:18.04 | gazobox | the whole freenode would should start a bot hunting :D |
| 23:18.10 | mwilson | Hmmm... no information at all on how to make udev leave /dev alone. |
| 23:18.10 | Debird | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:18.14 | ricky_clarkson | debianCreed: tengo una nueva de inglaterra, no quiero unas latinas ahora. |
| 23:18.16 | stew | Devrethman: i'd ask in #debian-amd64 |
| 23:18.20 | mwilson | Wonder if it's worth filing a bug. |
| 23:18.21 | rend | gazobox: I haven't gotten any bot messages |
| 23:18.23 | debianCreed | rend: mm... sorry I am a man of family... |
| 23:18.30 | maher | mwilson: it will make md's day |
| 23:18.40 | abrotman | Devrethman: oh . .that's why .. OO iusn't 64bit ready .. you need a 32bit chroot for it |
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| 23:27.37 | debianCreed | mwilson: what makes no sense |
| 23:27.37 | nkuttler | debianCreed: why don't you install it and tell us? |
| 23:27.46 | abrotman | apt: wb |
| 23:27.48 | apt | It's great to be back! |
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| 23:28.03 | debianCreed | nkuttler: well I am asking for some opinion from people who tried before |
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| 23:28.12 | beardy | gazobox: I don't think that is directly linked to the amount of people, or well, some effect it has of course.. but more which weekday it is.. and I really mean that, it's strange, but true.. |
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| 23:29.03 | nkuttler | the idlers didn't come back yet... |
| 23:29.19 | beardy | Has it always been like that, how old is the sunday factoid? |
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| 23:29.31 | theintern | anyone know the package that has stdio.h in it? |
| 23:29.36 | sds | question about security - when I do an adduser command debian sets up the home directory so everyone can read it - I have to manually change the settings so that everyone can't read the new users directory - Are there any other files that I need to change the permissions on if I don't want users to be able to mess stuff up |
| 23:29.45 | beardy | theintern: libc6-dev? |
| 23:30.08 | sds | also, why does the adduser command add a directory that everyone can read? |
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| 23:30.20 | vagabund | nkuttler: idlers are those who listening and learn - perhaps |
| 23:30.35 | theintern | thanks beardy :) |
| 23:30.39 | FUD | those are called lurkers, not idlers |
| 23:30.51 | beardy | sds: dpkg-reconfigure adduser, you can choose if you want it to be mode 700 or not by default, I noticed that when installing sarge anyway. |
| 23:31.00 | davidjames | Yes, the word "idler" is just FUD |
| 23:31.34 | sds | ah - ok - are there any other os directories or anything I need to change permissions on for security reasons? |
| 23:31.40 | beardy | sds: Which version of debian are you running? |
| 23:31.45 | sds | sarge |
| 23:31.47 | sds | fresh install |
| 23:31.59 | sds | not sure why adduser would come shipped to have open directories |
| 23:32.17 | sds | well, read only |
| 23:32.21 | beardy | sds: Didn't you get prompted by debconf when installing then? |
| 23:32.23 | maher | sds: it should have asked you that question during the install |
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| 23:32.40 | beardy | sds: Just run 'dpkg-reconfigure adduser' |
| 23:32.41 | nkuttler | sds: man adduser, you can change it how you want it |
| 23:32.45 | sds | well, maybe it did and I just hit enter - have to watch out next time |
| 23:32.51 | sds | I'll do the reconfigure adduser |
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| 23:33.31 | sds | ya, it did ask me that and I didn't pay attention |
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| 23:33.53 | beardy | sds: Lesson learned? ;) |
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| 23:34.01 | debianCreed | does anyone know how to configure IPtables for DHCP? |
| 23:34.30 | abrotman | #iptables , netfilter.org , lartc.org |
| 23:34.36 | debianCreed | when I read IP tables manuals none of them mention how to set it for DHCP, because I have a lappy an no home connection |
| 23:34.47 | beardy | sds he left?: an easy thing to miss though.. |
| 23:35.06 | debianCreed | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:35.16 | deadcat | when i vim a file and exit, shouldnt vim remember where i was when i go back to that file? .viminfo doesnt seem to be doing its job. |
| 23:35.18 | oatis | is there a way to give a mounted folder permissions for users? i cant do a chown user.user /mnt so i cant access it over samba without logging in as root |
| 23:35.43 | deadcat | oatis: dir. not folder. |
| 23:35.45 | FieldySnuts | anyone aware of a command line ftp client with resume and bandwidth limiting capabilities? I only need the limiting this one time, otherwise yes i'd do it system wide |
| 23:35.57 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: wget |
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| 23:36.11 | FieldySnuts | i'm sorry I s lag |
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| 23:36.16 | FieldySnuts | wtf, system hung for 20 seconds |
| 23:36.18 | beardy | deadcat: Perhaps you need to toggle it somewhere? I donät know though, rarely use vim. |
| 23:36.27 | oatis | deadcat, yes sorry, do you know how I can allow users to access it? |
| 23:36.34 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: i should have said i am uploading, not getting |
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| 23:36.39 | Guerin | oh |
| 23:36.40 | deadcat | oatis: edit smb.conf file. |
| 23:36.46 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: lftp can do anything |
| 23:36.47 | debianCreed | nobodoy there |
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| 23:37.14 | FieldySnuts | @they don't know |
| 23:37.15 | ravenbird | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 23:37.43 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: cool |
| 23:37.48 | oatis | deadcat, how will that give my user permission to a mounted directory owned by root? |
| 23:38.04 | Guerin | debianCreed: there definitely is someone home at lartc.org |
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| 23:39.06 | Blue_ | can someone help me use my usb key, i have all the modules loaded but when i plug it in it stopped appearing in /dev |
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| 23:39.40 | beardy | oatis: You shouldn't change ownership, only permissions, or the way you mount it. And configure your samba correctly. |
| 23:39.40 | deadcat | oatis: rw |
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| 23:40.51 | oatis | deadcat, when I try to change the permissions it says "Operation not allowed" |
| 23:41.00 | mwilson | deadcat: You have to configure vi/vim to do that. |
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| 23:41.10 | deadcat | oatis: rw in smb.conf |
| 23:41.13 | yoda | I'm trying to use Hello, and saw that in a forum that it works with winehq, how would I use winehq on mepis? |
| 23:41.16 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: i'm lookin at the man page for lftp, I don't really see anything on limiting while uploading. would you give me a clue? |
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| 23:41.22 | mo1991 | when I dpkg-reconfigure adduser and say system wide readable directories to no |
| 23:41.23 | deadcat | mwilson: i thought it used to do it by default |
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| 23:41.28 | mwilson | deadcat: It's not that the information isn't in .viminfo by default, it's that it doesn't go there by default. |
| 23:41.32 | mo1991 | it still creates new users with readable directories??? |
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| 23:41.49 | beardy | yoda: Please ask #mepis |
| 23:41.49 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: i don't know how it can be done; i'm just pretty sure it does it. |
| 23:41.53 | FieldySnuts | ah |
| 23:41.54 | nkuttler | mo1991: file a bug |
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| 23:41.59 | mwilson | deadcat: It never has. I have no idea what's in Debian's /etc/vimrc (or wherever they put it)... I have my own. |
| 23:42.03 | FieldySnuts | damn advanced client, i like it regardless |
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| 23:42.08 | albo | how can i make a tarball of a list of files in the current dir supplied via stdin |
| 23:42.09 | oatis | deadcat, oh.. im just trying to get my local user to be able to access it before i even try to get it working over samba |
| 23:42.17 | deadcat | mwilson: same here. but a friend of mine is using the default |
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| 23:42.45 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: according to the changelog, as of 2002 some time - v2.6.0 |
| 23:42.56 | FieldySnuts | right on |
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| 23:43.12 | mwilson | deadcat: No, I just looked, Debian's /etc/vim/vimrc doesn't do it by default. |
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| 23:43.47 | deadcat | mwilson: thanks |
| 23:43.53 | FieldySnuts | net:limit-rate (bytes per second) |
| 23:43.54 | FieldySnuts | yay |
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| 23:45.54 | deadcat | jesus christ. if i go to that site will the damn bots stop spamming me? |
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| 23:46.22 | Jim__ | how do you view a list of devices like cddrives and usbports? |
| 23:46.25 | greycat | deadcat: what bots? what spam? |
| 23:46.26 | FieldySnuts | what site |
| 23:46.38 | deadcat | greycat: 16:44 <ilhan_> Free WebCamera Sex Movie For sign => http://canliporno.tr.gs |
| 23:46.44 | FieldySnuts | thanks for helping him spam |
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| 23:46.51 | greycat | ilhan_ is not on the network |
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| 23:47.03 | greycat | was it registered at the time it spammed you? |
| 23:47.04 | jim | FieldySnuts thanks for helping him spam |
| 23:47.05 | deadcat | greycat: what the fuck... dammit... |
| 23:47.12 | jim | YOU ASKED: |
| 23:47.15 | FieldySnuts | don't start that shit jim |
| 23:47.17 | jim | FieldySnuts what site |
| 23:47.19 | gazobox | does anyone know the name of php script which shows everything about the machine? |
| 23:47.21 | FieldySnuts | sigh |
| 23:47.31 | jim | so don't ask then accuse him |
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| 23:47.37 | beardy | albo: 'tar -cvzf foo.tar.gz $(cat)' ? |
| 23:47.40 | FieldySnuts | what the sam fuck are you talking about, jim? |
| 23:47.41 | greycat | I'm very interested in knowing how a spambot got a /msg to deadcat |
| 23:47.52 | jim | I'm sure you know, it just now happened |
| 23:48.02 | FieldySnuts | explain what you mean, or stop bothering me, please. |
| 23:48.05 | greycat | DAMN! I just got one, and it's already gone. |
| 23:48.11 | FieldySnuts | yeah they're fast |
| 23:48.12 | deadcat | greycat: this guy too: kerime |
| 23:48.26 | greycat | they must be joining, registering, /msg'ing, and /quit'ing within 2 seconds. |
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| 23:48.31 | jim | read your scrollback... you asked: what site |
| 23:48.32 | FieldySnuts | they're registering now? |
| 23:48.38 | jim | he answered your question |
| 23:48.41 | greycat | FieldySnuts: I just got spammed, and so did deadcat. |
| 23:48.43 | deadcat | greycat: ya. |
| 23:48.53 | FieldySnuts | greycat: okay that sucks seriously, that's worrysome |
| 23:48.55 | greycat | wow, I thought it would take them at least a week |
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| 23:49.00 | jim | then you accuse him of spamming when in fact it was in response to your question |
| 23:49.05 | nkuttler | that was really fast... |
| 23:49.05 | greycat | jim: drop it, please. |
| 23:49.09 | FieldySnuts | jim: blah blah blah. leave me alone please. |
| 23:49.33 | jim | FieldySnuts: then don't ever do that again |
| 23:49.35 | maher | Jim__: lsusb for usb devices |
| 23:49.39 | FieldySnuts | don't tell me what to do. ignored. |
| 23:49.44 | albo | beardy: thx. i used xargs. |
| 23:49.51 | Jim__ | thanks maher |
| 23:50.30 | deadcat | i have this line in my time.conf file: *;*;username;Su0000-0005 <- is the 0000 right? i want 12am to 12:05am only |
| 23:50.39 | jim | I'm not in a very good mood right now... he started the shit and I wont have it |
| 23:50.43 | greycat | No manual entry for time.conf |
| 23:50.49 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Quick question: Is there a package that produces a virtual machine to experiment with? have looked and seen virtual machine software (qemu and others), but wondered if there was a package (or one of these) that produced a debian-in-a-virtualbox setup by itself |
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| 23:51.08 | astronut | Jimmymaniac: debbootstrap creats a debian chroot |
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| 23:51.30 | deadcat | greycat: examples in /etc/security/time.conf but i dont know if thats how i write 12am (0000) |
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| 23:51.35 | nkuttler | Jimmymaniac: you can probably download os images from the projects homepage |
| 23:51.48 | beardy | Jimmymaniac: bochs, plex86, no you have to install it. user-mode-linux perhaps though. |
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| 23:52.52 | mo1991 | hmm - when I dpkg-reconfigure adduser and make home directories not system readable it changes the adduser command to set them right but not the users-admin command (graphical user admin) - any ideas? |
| 23:53.36 | beardy | mo1991: Don't use it? It obviously doesn't use adduser then. |
| 23:53.54 | mwilson | mo1991: Is it supposed to? |
| 23:54.06 | jim | Jimmymaniac: you should try doing it... it will be an experience and an education... one thing, if you have reservations about doing it (safety of your existing files or anything like that), put it on a separate box that you own or even borrow from a buddy or somethign |
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| 23:54.43 | oigres | Is there a way to change the creation time stamp of a file? |
| 23:54.44 | mo1991 | wilson - I don't want it to create user directories that are system readable - beardy I won't use it but it is a nice tool and I would like to have it working properly |
| 23:54.49 | greycat | oigres: there is no such time stamp. |
| 23:54.54 | oatis | how do you change the permissions to a mounted shfs? |
| 23:54.58 | oigres | greycat: acces time then? |
| 23:55.05 | greycat | oigres: yes. see touch(1) |
| 23:55.05 | mo1991 | I think it probably installed wrong due to my having adduser setup wrong |
| 23:55.10 | beardy | mo1991: Purge it if you don't intend to use it. |
| 23:55.16 | jim | oigres: touch (brings it up to date) |
| 23:55.18 | Jimmymaniac | hmmm, maybe some of this could help, the idea is to sit on a debian machine and in a few minutes be up and running with a virtual box within itself where i can experiment installing and tewaking stuff with abandon, for some stuff debootstrap should be enough, but probably not for all |
| 23:55.26 | mo1991 | beardy - it is part of the gnome-system-tools package |
| 23:55.36 | Jimmymaniac | in any case sounds like fun :) |
| 23:55.43 | greycat | 19:55 +marienz> greycat: are you +E? the global protection is off. |
| 23:55.45 | oigres | greycat: Damn! Don't tell anyone that I asked that, OK? I'm getting old! So many years running Debian and still..... |
| 23:55.49 | jim | Jimmymaniac: well, there may be kernel issues |
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| 23:56.02 | jim | but fun, -yes- |
| 23:56.08 | mo1991 | beardy - I use several of the things in the gnome-system tools package - how could I purge just this? |
| 23:56.12 | Jimmymaniac | jim: heh |
| 23:56.16 | nkuttler | mo1991: file a bug |
| 23:56.17 | Guerin | now is a good time to pimp |
| 23:56.20 | Guerin | !nospambot |
| 23:56.20 | dpkg | nospambot is probably http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less |
| 23:56.28 | beardy | mo1991: file a bug perhaps, tell them they should be consistent with addusers behavior/configuration. |
| 23:56.29 | Guerin | for thos anoying join/quit messages |
| 23:56.32 | deadcat | how do i limit userid john001 from only joinsip.somewhere.com ? |
| 23:56.33 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 23:56.35 | deadcat | ssh ^ |
| 23:56.40 | greycat | now I gotta change /topic back. |
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| 23:56.58 | Jimmymaniac | heh, nice that nospambot stuff, gotta try it out |
| 23:57.02 | *** topic/#debian by greycat -> The global spambot protection is now [OFF]. /mode nickname +E | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | BTS: /msg dpkg bts | gcc/g++ 4.0 w/ new ABI in sid; beware breakage! | X.org is in sid | sid's libssl0.9.7 broken: /msg dpkg broken ssl | USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto |
| 23:57.02 | beardy | mo1991: Better not purge it then. |
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| 23:57.16 | oigres | BTW, just a comment. I bouth an IPAQ and tried to sync with synce and multisync with evolution (grrrr!) Anyway, things are still not that good. I guess that as soon as Debian is ready for that particular model I'll have a go at it! |
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| 23:57.29 | jim | so you might have to find a patch to apply, and make sure it applies properly/cleanly and makes sense after the patch is applied... then build and test the kernel... |
| 23:57.47 | Lepton | I forgot my password and then at the lilo boot prompt I did linux init=/bin/sh |
| 23:57.50 | Lepton | that gave me a shell |
| 23:58.00 | Lepton | I now need to mount my file system. |
| 23:58.02 | deadcat | Lepton: then your in. change the damn passwd |
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| 23:58.06 | Lepton | no |
| 23:58.10 | Lepton | I can't edit the file. |
| 23:58.11 | Jimmymaniac | Ok, gotta try out stuff, thanks guys :) |
| 23:58.18 | FieldySnuts | wtf. can't seem to do ls when connected to an ftp server with lftp, regardless of using passive or not |
| 23:58.19 | Lepton | How should I be mountingit? |
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| 23:58.28 | deadcat | Lepton: remount to rw |
| 23:58.39 | jim | Lepton: so what is your root partition? |
| 23:58.40 | greycat | !ftp must die |
| 23:58.41 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 23:58.51 | Lepton | deadcat: mount -n -o remount, rw / |
| 23:58.51 | Lepton | ? |
| 23:58.54 | FieldySnuts | sweet |
| 23:58.58 | Guerin | Lepton: mount -t foo -o rw,remount /dev/bar0 / |
| 23:59.09 | oigres | lftp is really good! and sure, ftp is still alive just for tradition... |
| 23:59.15 | Guerin | Lepton: if it can read your fstab, that'll work |
| 23:59.18 | greycat | Guerin: don't need the device there, just the / |
| 23:59.28 | Guerin | greycat: right |
| 23:59.32 | jim | oigres: ftp can be a -bad- idea securitywise |
| 23:59.33 | Lepton | Yeah it can't read my fstab. |
| 23:59.38 | greycat | Lepton: /msg dpgk I forgot root's password |
| 23:59.40 | Guerin | Lepton: can't? why not? |
| 23:59.43 | FieldySnuts | s/can/is |
| 23:59.47 | greycat | but spell dpkg right. |
| 23:59.48 | oigres | jim: I totally agree! |
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