| 00:00.10 | ecobit | stumbles: because there is no package named "gnome"... |
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| 00:00.36 | jkern | w32codecs IS packaged for sid though |
| 00:00.39 | abrotman | antgel: /msg dpkg seen abrotman |
| 00:00.58 | ecobit | jkern: and also stable |
| 00:00.58 | antgel | abrotman: even more so as 90% of what i type is read the install guide, read the reference, don't use unstable |
| 00:00.59 | stumbles | ecobit: it's telling me otherwise - i have a package called gnome |
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| 00:01.12 | ecobit | stumbles: then that is just an emtpy metapackage |
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| 00:01.28 | gnube | abrotman, antgel Holy shit! |
| 00:01.29 | Marecki^ | Evening |
| 00:01.30 | abrotman | antgel: sounds about par |
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| 00:01.37 | abrotman | gnube: you farted? |
| 00:01.39 | jkern | ecobit, foo said he could not get them -- would if he has contrib and non-free in his sources.list |
| 00:01.45 | gnube | hehehe |
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| 00:01.52 | Marecki^ | Guys, what's the fastest way of reaching someone in charge of the security repository? |
| 00:01.57 | gnube | You guys are on IRC a lot! |
| 00:02.06 | ecobit | jkern: no, he needs to read the factoid about mplayer and marillat etc. |
| 00:02.08 | antgel | Marecki^: email security@debian.org, cc d-s |
| 00:02.15 | gnube | Marecki^, Try to hack alioth |
| 00:02.28 | gnube | s/hack/crack/ |
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| 00:02.41 | ma3x | how do i select the mirrors for apt-get with gui? |
| 00:02.43 | abrotman | Marecki^: why? |
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| 00:02.48 | nvz | chewwy_564: hey, I started putting my coupler back together and 4 and 8 slipped out of the groves.. as the bottom ones were longer than the top ones, and I had to take those two short ones and put them in bottom holes.. I am not sure I want to use it without them properly separated might short out or something |
| 00:02.51 | petemc | ma3x: apt-setup |
| 00:02.51 | jkern | ecobit, I was not happy with that mplayer from marillat but ymmv |
| 00:02.54 | stumbles | ecobit: The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 00:02.54 | stumbles | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.56 | ma3x | thanks petemc |
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| 00:02.59 | gnube | ma3x, You can try to use synaptic, good tool. |
| 00:03.15 | antgel | gnube: it's replaced my girlfriend, er i mean i like to help the debian community |
| 00:03.15 | ecobit | stumbles: none of those look important to me |
| 00:03.25 | Marecki^ | abrotman: I've just noticed the archive is incomplete. It's not a problem when just apting updates from it, but mirroring fails miserably |
| 00:03.34 | antgel | ma3x: don't need a gui for that shit |
| 00:03.36 | gnube | aheh hehe |
| 00:03.36 | Marecki^ | Namely, the .orig file for crip is missing |
| 00:03.42 | h3xis | does anyone know if there is a repository that contains win32 codecs? i thought i downloaded them from apt a long time ago and i recently just installed sarge and can't find them! |
| 00:03.45 | ecobit | jkern: mplayer is the best open-source media player |
| 00:03.50 | gnube | antgel, It is strangely addictive. |
| 00:03.58 | nvz | h3xis: yeah marillat does its calle w32codecs |
| 00:03.59 | gnube | and at times grotesque. |
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| 00:04.09 | h3xis | thank you nvz |
| 00:04.09 | jkern | ecobit, must have been me then :) |
| 00:04.09 | antgel | Marecki^: istr discussion of this on d-s not so long ago. do a search. i think Michael Stone posted a reply. |
| 00:04.18 | Marecki^ | ty |
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| 00:04.36 | nvz | h3xis: /msg dpkg marillat, or goto apt-get.org and search for it |
| 00:04.36 | antgel | h3xis: it's not in marillat. it's in non-free (or contrib) |
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| 00:04.48 | abrotman | Marecki^: yes .. email the list |
| 00:04.49 | nvz | antgel: bs |
| 00:04.54 | h3xis | o.O |
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| 00:04.59 | ecobit | jkern: i often have found i need to have 2 or 3 media players installed though, sometimes certain ones have certain problems with certain files |
| 00:05.12 | abrotman | jkern: boxcars! |
| 00:05.14 | nvz | antgel: its not in non-free its in marillat I am not as think as you dumb I am |
| 00:05.21 | jkern | ecobit, that seems to be necessary |
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| 00:05.34 | antgel | oh yeah. |
| 00:05.47 | stumbles | ecobit: i need gnome-desktop-environment - do you have any other suggestions about setting the default vols? |
| 00:05.48 | Marecki^ | Take care, guys |
| 00:05.49 | antgel | h3xis: what i said, you never heard nothing. or else |
| 00:05.51 | ecobit | jkern: i've found vlc/svlc to be a really good all-around player |
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| 00:06.00 | antgel | nvz: :) |
| 00:06.03 | nvz | antgel: http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs... |
| 00:06.11 | ecobit | stumbles: alsa-utils is pretty essential to having sound work |
| 00:06.22 | jkern | ecobit, I have been meaning to try that |
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| 00:06.44 | stumbles | ecobit: any thoughts on why it might be suddenly conflicting? i'm running testing |
| 00:06.53 | antgel | nvz: i know. i admitted my wrongdoing |
| 00:06.55 | antgel | !whip me |
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| 00:07.10 | metaperl | I'm getting crossed signals when trying to test the connectivity of my machine to my HP Officejet printer. (1) /proc/bus/usb/devices shows my printer as a USB device(2) usbview, a GUI utility doesnt (3) ptal-init setup does not detect it as a usb device... |
| 00:07.10 | ecobit | stumbles: try to find what exact package it is confflicting with. what you listed was a chain of things - probably only one of those is actually in conflict, and the others are dependent upon that |
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| 00:07.38 | gnube | So then wizards, how do I secure my popa3d server? |
| 00:07.44 | antgel | metaperl: what does lsusb show? |
| 00:07.51 | ecobit | stumbles: also don't use testing if you don't want to have problems like this |
| 00:08.19 | ecobit | metaperl: i had that problem and solved it by installing udev |
| 00:08.34 | stumbles | ecobit: ta |
| 00:08.37 | metaperl | antgel: it shows the hp printer: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 03f0:4111 Hewlett-Packard |
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| 00:08.55 | antgel | metaperl: i trust that over any gui tool *spit* |
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| 00:09.11 | abrotman | gnube: secure how? |
| 00:09.23 | metaperl | ecobit: udev is installed |
| 00:09.27 | gnube | abrotman, Well it sends passwords in plain text no? |
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| 00:09.35 | antgel | metaperl: what ecobit said. udev is the nuts as long as you aren't the type of person to connect your kettle to your ide bus. |
| 00:09.35 | abrotman | gnube: tls afaik |
| 00:09.37 | abrotman | !tls |
| 00:09.37 | dpkg | tls is probably Transport Layer Security (ssl), or Thread-Local Storage, or in polish, TrzyLiterowy Skrot, translated to ThreeLetter Acronym |
| 00:09.37 | gnube | I thought it ought to speak SSL |
| 00:09.42 | gnube | yeah TLS |
| 00:09.50 | abrotman | tls is encrypted .. i think |
| 00:09.54 | ecobit | metaperl: i don't know then. maybe double-check bios settings for usb port |
| 00:09.54 | metaperl | so if lsusb and usbview both show it... then why can't ptal-init setup find it? and what am I supposed to do with udev? |
| 00:10.07 | gnube | I have that with my exim4 server but popa3d seems to have a paucity of documentation. |
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| 00:10.15 | antgel | metaperl: what is ptal-init? |
| 00:10.17 | metaperl | maybe I should reboot.. I first installed hplip but then install hpoj because this is an officejet |
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| 00:10.26 | antgel | metaperl: no, it's not windows |
| 00:10.30 | metaperl | antgel: http://hpoj.sourceforge.net/hpoj-0.91/doc/setup-connect.html |
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| 00:10.55 | ecobit | antgel: its what the hp driver uses to connect to the device |
| 00:10.58 | mfrisch | metaperl hplip is for usb |
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| 00:11.03 | litage | which # in the kernel version tells you if it's un/stable, the 2nd or 3rd? |
| 00:11.05 | antgel | metaperl: would help if you post the exact poblem you're having |
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| 00:11.18 | metaperl | mfrisch: hplip is for single-function hp printers. hpoj for multi-function if I understand correctly |
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| 00:11.43 | mfrisch | metaperl aah...do you have cupsys? |
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| 00:12.02 | metaperl | antgeI installed cupsys, yes |
| 00:12.05 | metaperl | oops |
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| 00:12.12 | metaperl | mfrisch: I installed cupsys, yes |
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| 00:12.23 | metaperl | and cupsys-client |
| 00:12.36 | mfrisch | metaperl does your printer location come up when you set up cups |
| 00:12.37 | ecobit | you want hpijs |
| 00:12.49 | ecobit | or hplip which includes it |
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| 00:13.13 | abrotman | Delph! |
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| 00:13.23 | Delph | wotcha |
| 00:13.27 | abrotman | Delph! |
| 00:13.28 | xhypno | ok, it has been a long day, can someone point me to an example network interfaces script that includes wireless. I remember the wired setup, I am just blanking on the wireless. |
| 00:13.31 | Delph | wotcha |
| 00:13.42 | abrotman | xhypno: mine wsa the same |
| 00:13.47 | ecobit | metaperl: also make sure you have sysfs, usbfs, all of the usb subsystem, and NOT devfs |
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| 00:13.50 | romulo[zzZ] | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.01 | abrotman | Delph! |
| 00:14.08 | xhypno | Cards working, I just don't wanna use iwconfig all the time |
| 00:14.15 | Delph | abrotman: ! |
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| 00:14.20 | metaperl | I think ecobit is right: wait a minute if you do apt-cache show hpoj it seems more appropriate tan apt-cache show hplip |
| 00:14.40 | ecobit | metaperl: https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1292549&forum_id=53439 |
| 00:14.44 | jkern | xhypno, join paste, I have one |
| 00:14.50 | abrotman | xhypno: mine is `auto eth0\niface eth0 inet dhcp` .. that's it for me |
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| 00:15.05 | abrotman | you'd think a guy with a masters from duke could figure that out |
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| 00:15.09 | metaperl | ah also upstream development has hplip taking over hpoj, so ecobit is right |
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| 00:16.09 | antgel | romulo: using udev? if so you could try a udev restart |
| 00:16.12 | xhypno | Yeah, but I need the calls to setup essid to any automatically |
| 00:16.24 | greycat | hmm... /topic is showing up truncated here. I don't recall it being truncated when I last changed it. |
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| 00:16.34 | abrotman | greycat: here also |
| 00:16.51 | cheal | hum, what's truncated? |
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| 00:16.54 | antgel | greycat: take out the libssl bit? |
| 00:16.58 | abrotman | cheal: cut off |
| 00:17.00 | greycat | antgel: I was just thinking that. |
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| 00:17.04 | abrotman | !broken ssl |
| 00:17.04 | dpkg | it has been said that broken ssl is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321721, Request was from Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org" And of course, this is only a Minor severity bug. |
| 00:17.18 | romulo | antgel, will try |
| 00:17.23 | cheal | abrotman: oh, I understood the meaning of the word (for this time) :) |
| 00:17.29 | *** topic/#debian by greycat -> SPAMBOTS? /mode nickname +E | Sarge firefox bug: /msg dpkg sarge firefox | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | BTS: /msg dpkg bts | gcc/g++ 4.0 w/ new ABI! beware breakage! | X.org is in sid (and /msg dpkg xorg sarge) | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 /msg dpkg kde3.4 | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 00:17.30 | abrotman | cheal: uhm .. ok |
| 00:17.42 | abrotman | greycat: though honestly .. could probably remove the crypto part too |
| 00:17.47 | greycat | cheal: well, "/msg dpkg cryp" was chopped. |
| 00:17.48 | cheal | aaah |
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| 00:17.57 | abrotman | greycat: and the kde3.4 .. since 3.4 is in sid now i think |
| 00:17.59 | greycat | abrotman: we could just remove the whole thing since nobody reads it but me. |
| 00:18.08 | abrotman | greycat: oh ... ok |
| 00:18.09 | antgel | greycat: i was just thinking that |
| 00:18.11 | cheal | I thought the /topic was just sarcastic (and funny) |
| 00:18.14 | greycat | abrotman: but isn't it broken in sid right now? |
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| 00:18.21 | gnube | greycat, I read it. |
| 00:18.21 | abrotman | greycat: kde3.4 ? |
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| 00:18.27 | abrotman | !kde 3.4 |
| 00:18.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, kde 3.4 is not packaged yet, or ask me about kde3.4 |
| 00:18.32 | abrotman | !kde3.4 |
| 00:18.33 | dpkg | somebody said kde3.4 was being packaged, or see http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34, or not supported on Debian channels, *particularly* not #debian |
| 00:18.35 | greycat | well, the factoid is out of date. |
| 00:18.37 | abrotman | bah |
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| 00:18.39 | abrotman | yeah |
| 00:18.44 | abrotman | !info konqueror sid |
| 00:18.44 | cheal | *please* don't remove the KDE 3.4 one |
| 00:18.47 | dpkg | konqueror: (KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1962 kB, Installed size: 4587 kB |
| 00:18.50 | abrotman | cheal: why? |
| 00:19.01 | xhypno | how good is the xorg backport, anyone?? |
| 00:19.04 | abrotman | cheal: are you going to fix the kde3.4 factoid ? |
| 00:19.07 | greycat | I'd like people to read dpkg's advice on kde 3.4 in sid, but it's the wrong advice right now. |
| 00:19.10 | cheal | dpkg: no, kde 3.4 is <reply> see kde3.4 |
| 00:19.11 | abrotman | and the kde 3.4 |
| 00:19.11 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 00:19.19 | metaperl | what commands would tell me if I have sysfs, usbfs, all of the usb subsystem, and that I did *NOT* enable devfs? |
| 00:19.23 | streuner | xhypno: are you identifed? |
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| 00:19.35 | xhypno | streuner, yeah |
| 00:19.39 | abrotman | xhypno: try it |
| 00:19.39 | streuner | xhypno: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 00:19.40 | greycat | there's a usbfs? |
| 00:19.43 | cheal | abrotman: what do you consider wrong with kde3.4? |
| 00:19.48 | abrotman | cheal: it's wrong? |
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| 00:19.50 | abrotman | !kde3.4 |
| 00:19.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, kde3.4 is being packaged, or see http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34, or not supported on Debian channels, *particularly* not #debian |
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| 00:20.03 | abrotman | cheal: it's now in sid .. at least partially |
| 00:20.04 | greycat | cheal: I've been led to believe that the bits of kde 3.4 that are in sid right now are broken in some way. |
| 00:20.08 | xhypno | that jsut displays the repo like always, I wanted to know if anyone has tried it. |
| 00:20.14 | greycat | xhypno: yes. |
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| 00:20.27 | antgel | !tell xhypno about anyone |
| 00:20.27 | xhypno | greycat: how did it go |
| 00:20.28 | streuner | xhypno: i think nobse's backport is really good |
| 00:20.29 | cheal | abrotman: yes, partially...still tens of impatients asking #debian-kde about it each day |
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| 00:20.32 | greycat | xhypno: it ran. |
| 00:20.43 | abrotman | cheal: fix kde3.4 |
| 00:20.45 | cheal | greycat: if so, not particularly |
| 00:20.50 | xhypno | greycat: yes, but did it work, lol |
| 00:20.59 | abrotman | xhypno: try it .. let us know how it works |
| 00:21.09 | antgel | why is it always kde users that have to have the version that hasn't even been written yet? i'm using wmaker, and it never occurs to me to upgrade |
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| 00:21.19 | cheal | abrotman: do you mean that "being packaged" doesn't represent well that some packages were already uploaded? |
| 00:21.20 | greycat | xhypno: as far as I could tell, for the one machine I tried it on, with the one config I needed, for the one small set of apps the user required. yes. |
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| 00:21.28 | nvz | alright, well I need to go to the store before I get anymore drunk :) |
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| 00:21.35 | antgel | nvz: buy beer |
| 00:21.37 | greycat | xhypno: try it yourself and see. it's not likely to destroy your monitor if it fails. |
| 00:21.42 | Delph | nvz: brew something from grain |
| 00:21.44 | xhypno | I will try it on my home box, I need to reinstall anyways |
| 00:21.45 | abrotman | cheal: make it .. more correct? :) |
| 00:21.49 | nvz | antgel: I got Liquer |
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| 00:22.01 | cheal | antgel: KDE 3.4 was released in march, so people unaware of all the issues are "starting" to worry |
| 00:22.02 | nvz | Liquor whatever the hell they are calling it now |
| 00:22.16 | nvz | I've seen it spelled so many different ways I dont know what to call it anymore |
| 00:22.22 | abrotman | cheal: ex: KDE3.4 is now entering sid, please ask #debian-kde about issues |
| 00:22.25 | streuner | xhypno: the man who packaged xorg is one of the founder of backports.org ... ;-) |
| 00:22.31 | streuner | for sarge |
| 00:22.37 | xhypno | ahh, cool. |
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| 00:22.41 | abrotman | cheal: no? |
| 00:22.49 | antgel | cheal: really? that's a long time to enter unstable. i wonder why, oh that's because it's BIGGER THAN A SUMO WRESTLER! |
| 00:22.57 | cheal | abrotman: ok |
| 00:23.35 | cheal | great to have the libssl issue described |
| 00:23.41 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 00:23.53 | abrotman | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 00:23.54 | jkern | cheal, maybe it is only for out-patients :} |
| 00:23.54 | witless | is there any way to guesstimate when libgtk2 2.6.10 might be in unstable? |
| 00:23.57 | cheal | when will openssl 0.9.8 be in debian?!!! |
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| 00:24.10 | abrotman | cheal: maybe it is now |
| 00:24.19 | nvz | abrotman: I shar'd last week damnit |
| 00:24.19 | greycat | witless: WIR. |
| 00:24.23 | greycat | cheal: RSN. |
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| 00:24.35 | abrotman | nvz: erm .. ok |
| 00:24.42 | cheal | abrotman: it's not! and kde 3.4 neither! |
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| 00:24.46 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel sid |
| 00:24.49 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 363 kB, Installed size: 860 kB |
| 00:24.52 | cheal | greycat: cool, but I was just irritating |
| 00:24.57 | abrotman | witless: ^^ |
| 00:24.58 | greycat | !info konqueror sid |
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| 00:25.01 | dpkg | konqueror: (KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1962 kB, Installed size: 4587 kB |
| 00:25.16 | abrotman | cheal: part of KDE 3.4.2 is in .. |
| 00:25.21 | cheal | we got a real slack troll in #debian-kde yesterday, complaining about tomcat5's status ^_^ |
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| 00:25.27 | abrotman | cheal: it's not my fault kde sucks and is hard to package :) |
| 00:25.29 | antgel | when will kde 2007 be in debian? |
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| 00:25.43 | cheal | alright, I'm rephrasing/fixing kde3.4 in a few minutes |
| 00:25.49 | abrotman | thank you :) |
| 00:25.50 | witless | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:25.56 | abrotman | witless: not sure about gtk |
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| 00:26.09 | witless | abrotman: broken window selector is gettin me down |
| 00:26.20 | eamu | i am a newbie to linux and have heard that debian is a dificult install and configure, any advice |
| 00:26.23 | antgel | i don't know why all these kde users don't just grab the cvs. :P |
| 00:26.31 | antgel | !tell eamu about install guide |
| 00:26.44 | abrotman | witless: hrm .. i can't find jack |
| 00:26.44 | mfrisch | eamu read |
| 00:26.44 | cheal | antgel: it won't. slackware will be the only remaining linux distro by 2007 |
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| 00:26.51 | witless | abrotman: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=312659 |
| 00:27.00 | greycat | eamu: try it yourself. don't listen to what they said. |
| 00:27.09 | antgel | eamu: it is difficult for silly people |
| 00:27.14 | greycat | if YOU think it's hard, tell the Debian boot team! |
| 00:27.22 | abrotman | witless: |
| 00:27.24 | antgel | cheal: heh |
| 00:27.25 | abrotman | !info libgtk2.0-0 sid |
| 00:27.29 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-0: (The GTK+ graphical user interface library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.6.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2001 kB, Installed size: 4412 kB |
| 00:27.30 | abrotman | witless: ^^ |
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| 00:27.39 | gnube | eamu, There has been a lot of work done on the installer and many people say it is easier to install than ever. |
| 00:27.45 | abrotman | witless: and 2.8 is in experimental |
| 00:28.01 | mfrisch | greycat not hard but not 'Doz thank God |
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| 00:28.07 | witless | abrotman: maybe i'll try that |
| 00:28.18 | streuner | eamu: most people have problems configure there videocards, that's it. |
| 00:28.34 | abrotman | witless: or ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org .. but they sleep a lot |
| 00:28.36 | greycat | but that's because they are silly people and spent $650 on a video card |
| 00:28.44 | cheal | dpkg: no, kde3.4 is being uploaded to sid, see http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34 for details. not supported on any Debian channels yet, *particularly* not #debian. if you still want to ask about it, ask #debian-kde |
| 00:28.44 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 00:28.45 | greycat | and then they wonder why the drivers for it aren't written yet |
| 00:28.53 | loren | LOL |
| 00:29.11 | eamu | I have an ATI Raden 9250 |
| 00:29.21 | eamu | will it cause probs |
| 00:29.23 | loren | I have a Nvidia FX 5500 (lving piece of crap) |
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| 00:29.32 | greycat | loren: it's *alive*? |
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| 00:29.56 | gnube | How would you swtich from one linux, say fedora, to debian? Can you just install a new kernel, back up the data and download apt-get? |
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| 00:30.01 | loren | greycat: oh yes! it has a mind of its own, especially when trying to run DX and many games |
| 00:30.02 | greycat | gnube: no |
| 00:30.06 | abrotman | !tell gnube about deboostrap |
| 00:30.09 | abrotman | !tell gnube about debtakeover |
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| 00:30.14 | streuner | eamu: you prolly need to install extern driver in order to get it to work |
| 00:30.23 | magyar | is there a way to prevent people from stiffing my nick? |
| 00:30.24 | atom-z | gnube, that would be a majorly bad idea, I would think |
| 00:30.24 | greycat | !tell eamu about xorg sarge |
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| 00:30.29 | cheal | gnube: install debian, import your data |
| 00:30.34 | greycat | magyar: "stiffing"? |
| 00:30.39 | abrotman | stealing |
| 00:30.42 | Delph | magyar: how can you stiff the neck of an entire country? |
| 00:30.58 | magyar | greycat: every time a log in someone is using my nick |
| 00:30.58 | Delph | oh wait, yg, not gy. |
| 00:31.04 | antgel | eamu: i have a 9200 which is fucked, but it could be hardware. won't display 1600x1200 out the dvi, so i'm the analog kid. same with ati's drivers so i purged that shit |
| 00:31.06 | cheal | BTW, do we need to have "GETTING DEBIAN" in CAPS in /topic? |
| 00:31.18 | greycat | magyar: no. lilo won't let you proactively kick them off. he disabled that feature. |
| 00:31.20 | eamu | okay I have an older system p3 500 with a sis 6326 video would that be a better test system |
| 00:31.22 | abrotman | cheal: FOR EMPHASIS |
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| 00:31.34 | cheal | abrotman: OK |
| 00:31.36 | greycat | magyar: and, uh... you aren't even REGISTERED for fuck's sake. |
| 00:31.57 | abrotman | cheal: It DOESnt ALWaYS WOrK tHouGH |
| 00:31.58 | greycat | or rather, *someone* has your nick registered, but you're not identified to services at the moment. |
| 00:32.01 | magyar | what do you mean "registered" ? |
| 00:32.06 | greycat | so if you had your wish, you would've been GONE by now, fool. |
| 00:32.11 | abrotman | magyar: /msg nickserv help |
| 00:32.16 | cheal | abrotman: I know |
| 00:32.19 | antgel | eamu: you can try the radeon for sure. do you use dvi? infact i'd be curious to hear your experience. i tried a 9000 in the same box, same settings, and it's faultless |
| 00:32.27 | streuner | eamu: most SiS videocards need extern driver too |
| 00:32.28 | eamu | no DVI |
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| 00:32.34 | streuner | !sis |
| 00:32.35 | dpkg | hmm... sis is http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsis630.shtml, or shit, or http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsisvga.shtml |
| 00:32.38 | magyar | greycat: i did register the nick |
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| 00:32.48 | greycat | magyar: you still aren't identified. |
| 00:32.51 | abrotman | magyar: did you identify when you logged in ? |
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| 00:32.58 | antgel | eamu: then you'll be fine anyway. shame you don't use it. i'd like to know if it's my system |
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| 00:33.06 | abrotman | magyar: /msg nickserv identify <password> |
| 00:33.13 | cheal | is it normal that adduser only adds the new user to its own group, instead of adding it to all the groups user 1000 is in (here, dialout cdrom floppy tape audio dip video staff camera) |
| 00:33.14 | eamu | how does one locate an external driver |
| 00:33.21 | greycat | cheal: yes |
| 00:33.25 | eamu | for video |
| 00:33.30 | abrotman | cheal: i'd be pissed if it did |
| 00:33.32 | magyar | i did now |
| 00:33.36 | streuner | eamu: just visit the website and look for instructions |
| 00:33.38 | antgel | eamu: have you heard of www.fuckinggoogleit.com? |
| 00:33.40 | greycat | magyar: ok. |
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| 00:33.47 | greycat | magyar: and to repeat: no, you can't protect your nick. |
| 00:33.50 | cheal | if so, are there easy options to change that behavior and get the user in the same groups as user 1000? |
| 00:33.52 | greycat | magyar: lilo doesn't want you to. |
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| 00:34.02 | streuner | eamu: the same for ATI (/msg dpkg ati) |
| 00:34.07 | magyar | greycat: that is what i mean , its a pain on the ass everytime a log in the nick is taken |
| 00:34.10 | abrotman | silly greeks |
| 00:34.12 | greycat | cheal: vi $(which adduser) |
| 00:34.24 | greycat | cheal: but obviously you'd have to put it on hold, too. |
| 00:34.36 | abrotman | or write your own script ... |
| 00:34.44 | greycat | magyar: get a 24/7 connection and idle on freenode forever |
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| 00:34.57 | streuner | eamu: easy for SiS |
| 00:35.01 | antgel | cheal: what's special about user 1000? is this some sort of convention or are you just a nutter? |
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| 00:35.08 | abrotman | cheal: you could write a wrapper that calls adduser .. then your script could add them to all those groups |
| 00:35.10 | eamu | how is linux with wireless networks? |
| 00:35.18 | antgel | eamu: it's the boom ting |
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| 00:36.03 | Maneit | eamu: works great with my centrino (Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG) :) |
| 00:36.07 | cheal | antgel: that's basically my question, except for " or are you just a nutter" |
| 00:36.16 | eamu | yeah was pissed at windows when it only took some patience and about 15 minutes for aircrack to get in |
| 00:36.27 | cheal | abrotman: I understand that...I'm trying to see the logic of that |
| 00:36.35 | xhypno | Maneit, you use a laptop with debain? |
| 00:36.38 | greycat | eamu: with some chipsets, you get anally raped. with some chipsets, you get anally raped with lubricant. with a VERY few, you MIGHT be able to get drivers without using untrustworthy i386-only binary code. |
| 00:36.47 | Maneit | xhypno: yes :) |
| 00:36.54 | abrotman | cheal: logic of what? |
| 00:37.05 | antgel | eamu: either way, your wep gets hacked in a couple of days |
| 00:37.06 | xhypno | Maneit, are you a member of the debain-laptop mailing list |
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| 00:37.14 | Maneit | xhypno: nope |
| 00:37.15 | cheal | abrotman: that user 1000 gets extra groups, but only him |
| 00:37.18 | eamu | yep |
| 00:37.26 | xhypno | I am currently building a debian focused laptop install and help site. If you have installed Debian on a laptop with problems and found soultions, please send me a tarball containing your main configs (modules hotplug/blacklist, X11/XF86config-4, modprobe.d/aliases, etc) and your laptops make and specs (including model number), when I recieve this I will begin to build the database of working system configs and walkthroughs for debian on laptops |
| 00:37.26 | xhypno | . THIS SITE WILL BE DEBIAN ONLY! (I think it is about time someone made a dedicated Debian laptop site). philip@progmad.com |
| 00:37.32 | Wyzard | cheal: The idea is that just because one user on the system has some privileges, that doesn't mean all users must have those priviliges |
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| 00:37.42 | Wyzard | cheal: If you want the new user to have those group memberships, add him to those groups |
| 00:37.51 | abrotman | cheal: because you are? |
| 00:37.53 | Maneit | xhypno: Your site? |
| 00:37.55 | eamu | a friend told me he used free radius on debian linux to run WPA very effectively is he shittin me |
| 00:37.56 | greycat | xhypno: there's a fine line between advocating and spamming. |
| 00:38.02 | antgel | xhypno: may i suggest you tell the bot so that you can inform individuals without killin gme |
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| 00:38.20 | xhypno | antgel: sure, why not |
| 00:38.26 | atom-z | eamu, what is WPA? what are you worried about? |
| 00:38.26 | xhypno | Maneit: yes |
| 00:38.37 | cheal | abrotman: what? |
| 00:38.53 | abrotman | nm |
| 00:38.54 | xhypno | greycat: at least I am doing the two year old routine from earlier |
| 00:38.58 | xhypno | lol |
| 00:39.14 | antgel | xhypno: got any V1agrA? |
| 00:39.16 | Maneit | xhypno: sounds like a good idea.. I'm having shitloads of problems getting lirc working f.ex. Would be nice with a dedicated site for laptops running Debian :) |
| 00:39.20 | eamu | wireless protected access, it runs on most wireless devices and is one step up from plain WEP, the problem is to function correctly and strongly it needs radius |
| 00:39.24 | Wyzard | eamu: I've heard of that too... RADIUS is a well-defined WPA authentication method and hostapd supports it |
| 00:39.36 | antgel | wireless is for cocks |
| 00:39.36 | cheal | Wyzard: I understand. but do you know why user 1000 gets extra groups? |
| 00:39.41 | Wyzard | eamu: And no, RADIUS isn't needed for it to function "correctly and strongly" |
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| 00:39.55 | Wyzard | eamu: That's probably something the installer does for your convenience |
| 00:39.58 | xhypno | Maneit: that is what I am shooting for, it will be at debain-laptop.org when the site is up on the 15th (hopefully) |
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| 00:40.23 | Maneit | xhypno: so you want people to write articles for you, or do you just want the data? |
| 00:40.42 | eamu | Wyzard- WPA PSK sends the connection start info in plain text |
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| 00:40.53 | gnube | antgel: me too. |
| 00:41.02 | gnube | I stared at that page for a while. |
| 00:41.20 | eamu | Free radius used with certificates is far more secure that WPA-PSK |
| 00:41.27 | antgel | gnube: can't talk. staring. |
| 00:41.33 | Wyzard | eamu: What exactly is contained in the "connection start info" ? |
| 00:41.34 | gnube | antgel: Did you see you were also in the small box on the bottom? |
| 00:41.46 | Wyzard | eamu: It certainly doesn't send the key in the clear, if that's what you're saying |
| 00:41.47 | gnube | antgel: That might improve your standing. |
| 00:41.49 | xhypno | Maneit: articles and data, I am building a searchable database with xmlrpc access to other site, and a collection of articles and fixes. I am also starting work on a for laptops instal cd with more drivers dedicated to laptops. |
| 00:41.57 | eamu | THE pre shared key from the wireless device |
| 00:42.13 | eamu | it send the PSK part in plain text in a packet |
| 00:42.15 | antgel | gnube: yep and i added up the figures. abrotman and i have been commiserating with each other |
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| 00:42.28 | gnube | antgel: You guys are my heros. |
| 00:42.29 | Maneit | xhypno: cool :) |
| 00:42.31 | antgel | gnube: "improve". that's an interesting way to look at it |
| 00:42.33 | gnube | and greycat |
| 00:42.41 | Wyzard | eamu: But encrypted with a session key |
| 00:42.53 | xhypno | my email address is philip@progmad.com if you want to help |
| 00:42.54 | antgel | not only is #debian friendlier than my ex-gf, it's cheaper too! |
| 00:43.05 | eamu | once authenticated it becomes encrypted with a session key |
| 00:43.36 | abrotman | antgel: pork? |
| 00:43.46 | gnube | mmmmmmmmm pork. |
| 00:43.55 | abrotman | antgel: what? |
| 00:44.06 | abrotman | antgel: try looking at the archives |
| 00:44.11 | antgel | abrotman: nah, i'm not feeling very sexual tonight |
| 00:44.21 | Wyzard | eamu: I don't have the WPA spec in front of me or anything, but I strongly doubt the authentication is done in the clear... choose a session key first, and then perform the authentication under encryption with the session key |
| 00:44.22 | atom-z | <antgel> wireless is for cocks <-- someone should add that as a quote |
| 00:44.39 | gnube | So debtakeover will do everything I need to switch my fedora core 1 box to sarge? Wow. |
| 00:44.49 | gnube | That is pretty amazing. |
| 00:45.02 | antgel | gnube: aren't you the luckiest? |
| 00:45.13 | greycat | atom-z: what's preventing you? |
| 00:45.31 | gnube | Indeed. |
| 00:45.42 | atom-z | 1. dont know how, 2. I probably dont have the right access level |
| 00:45.52 | greycat | 1 is correctable, and 2 is a false assumption |
| 00:45.58 | abrotman | aw ... |
| 00:46.07 | antgel | i'd like to have a go on debtakeover but don't have any other distros to convert. |
| 00:46.11 | greycat | !qotd143 |
| 00:46.23 | abrotman | !qotd140 |
| 00:46.24 | dpkg | methinks qotd140 is < greycat> either that, or fucking install mpg321. < Angel-SL> aptget < Angel-SL> ? < greycat> alias fucking=apt-get < greycat> fucking install mpg321 < asg> hah |
| 00:46.25 | greycat | hmm, I thought someone was going to use that one earlier today |
| 00:46.26 | abrotman | bah |
| 00:46.32 | antgel | i'd also like to have a go at customising d-i for an unattended sever install *drool* |
| 00:46.42 | abrotman | antgel: fai/dphys |
| 00:46.53 | atom-z | greycat, how do i correct problem no.1? |
| 00:46.58 | Wyzard | eamu: The main disadvantage of WPA-PSK is that to revoke someone's access you have to change the key and tell everyone else the new one, so it doesn't scale well |
| 00:47.13 | antgel | abrotman: yeah i know. that too. but we sell a server every 3 months, so can't justify it yet |
| 00:47.24 | greycat | !qotd142 |
| 00:47.24 | dpkg | [qotd142] <greycat> BIG FUCKING HUGE MISTAKE telling me you have gcc 4.0 and that you can't fucking read the FAQ. |
| 00:47.26 | abrotman | antgel: you don't keep them ? |
| 00:47.30 | greycat | atom-z: "dpkg, qotd142 is ...." |
| 00:47.35 | greycat | err... 143! not 142. |
| 00:47.42 | antgel | abrotman: que? |
| 00:47.47 | abrotman | antgel: the servers :) |
| 00:47.54 | atom-z | !qotd143 |
| 00:48.02 | abrotman | atom-z: ok .. now watch |
| 00:48.07 | antgel | greycat: yep i said something quotable this arvo and ricky_clarkson was trying to get it in dpkg |
| 00:48.12 | gnube | I am using gcc 4.0 and I can't read the FAQ . . . |
| 00:48.20 | abrotman | dpkg: qotd143 is <antgel> wireless is for cocks |
| 00:48.20 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 00:48.24 | abrotman | atom-z: make snse ? |
| 00:48.28 | abrotman | atom-z: /msg dpkg help |
| 00:48.40 | atom-z | ah its one of those types of bots |
| 00:48.47 | atom-z | i see |
| 00:48.54 | antgel | abrotman: nah. we do make great use of some refurbed compaq PIII 600 boxes for development and testing work, though |
| 00:49.10 | abrotman | antgel: we need some new ones at work ... |
| 00:49.26 | abrotman | mostly the damn SQL server ... |
| 00:49.36 | antgel | i must say that i find /msg dpkg help most unhelpful and learnt by watching others. that's why i can't do cool factoids, beer, smite etc |
| 00:49.44 | xhypno | later all |
| 00:49.50 | abrotman | antgel: mess with all the commands :) |
| 00:49.52 | abrotman | !cookie |
| 00:49.53 | greycat | antgel: just watch longer. |
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| 00:50.00 | abrotman | dpkg: that was horrible |
| 00:50.34 | antgel | abrotman: we can build you as many servers as you want. i know you're far too busy on irc :) |
| 00:50.51 | abrotman | antgel: trust me .. i have time .. boss needs capital |
| 00:50.54 | Wyzard | Interesting random idea... for "fixed" mountpoints like /usr, remove all permissions on the underlying directory so that you notice immediately (via error messages) if the filesystem that's supposed to be mounted there isn't mounted for some reason |
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| 00:51.39 | greycat | Wyzard: I've seen legacy unix boxes where the underlying permissions somehow interacted with the mounted file system's permissions and broke things. |
| 00:51.40 | antgel | abrotman: what do you do? |
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| 00:51.47 | abrotman | antgel: admin/developer |
| 00:51.52 | greycat | Wyzard: so I *always* use 755 on mount points as a defensive measure |
| 00:51.56 | antgel | abrotman: who for? |
| 00:52.00 | abrotman | antgel: i was hired to be an admin .. did a good job .. ran out of broken things :) |
| 00:52.00 | Wyzard | greycat: weird :-) |
| 00:52.05 | abrotman | antgel: small company in .us |
| 00:52.09 | Wyzard | greycat: No problems in Linux, though, right? |
| 00:52.16 | greycat | Wyzard: not that I know of |
| 00:52.27 | Wyzard | good |
| 00:52.36 | antgel | abrotman: there are two of us, also admin/developers. it's nice to have both sides of the coin. |
| 00:52.50 | abrotman | antgel: not if you were developing what i am |
| 00:52.53 | antgel | abrotman: (i mean two of us in my company) |
| 00:53.16 | antgel | abrotman: i'm working on a java project. trump that if you can |
| 00:53.17 | abrotman | antgel: the language is ... *bad* |
| 00:53.26 | abrotman | greycat: how bad is the language i write at work ? |
| 00:53.43 | greycat | abrotman: I've blocked it out of my consciousness. |
| 00:53.47 | abrotman | antgel: see |
| 00:53.56 | antgel | that _is_ bad. |
| 00:54.05 | abrotman | antgel: if i can paraphrase greycat ... "Like .. who barfed all over your code" |
| 00:54.12 | gnube | abrotman: I gotta know what it is now. |
| 00:54.21 | antgel | abrotman: at least he wasn't profane and shouting |
| 00:54.22 | gnube | abrotman: Eiffel? |
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| 00:54.27 | abrotman | gnube: i wish |
| 00:54.30 | antgel | abrotman: Modula-2? |
| 00:54.47 | abrotman | An RPN based logic/math language with no loop constructs(unless you count goto) |
| 00:54.58 | antgel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.01 | abrotman | antgel: ? |
| 00:55.08 | abrotman | antgel: no .. not modula2 |
| 00:55.15 | antgel | abrotman: can't hear you ;) |
| 00:55.20 | gnube | weird. |
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| 00:56.03 | Wyzard | Goto in a stack-based language? |
| 00:56.14 | Wyzard | I guess it's possible, but that just seems really weird |
| 00:56.24 | abrotman | antgel: gnube hold on for a sample |
| 00:56.32 | abrotman | Wyzard: wait .. sample coming |
| 00:56.50 | greycat | (he's making up random crap while we wait) |
| 00:56.56 | metaperl | I'm trying to get my HP OfficeJet 7210 to work. I have udev and hplip installed as well as cups. when I send a test job, /var/log/cups/error_log shows nothing unusual even with LogLevel debug in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf. The printer itself prints a test page just fine... any ideas what could be going on? |
| 00:56.58 | antgel | cat /dev/random |
| 00:57.09 | greycat | antgel: no, he has to make it look half-convincing ;-) |
| 00:57.33 | antgel | metaperl: if the test page works, i'd say problem solved |
| 00:57.47 | antgel | cat /dev/random | fmt ? |
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| 00:58.12 | greycat | antgel: metaperl's working test page is from the *printer* (firmware or something) |
| 00:58.19 | metaperl | antgel: no, the test page from the printer by the printer worked fine. I cannot send a test page from the cmoputer to the printer |
| 00:58.22 | metaperl | :) |
| 00:58.45 | antgel | metaperl: i did find it a bit odd. |
| 00:58.50 | abrotman | antgel: gnube Wyzard http://pastebin.ca/21791 .. and that's not a good sample .. jsut a small one |
| 00:58.55 | antgel | metaperl: lpq? |
| 00:59.05 | metaperl | lpstat -t shows no pending jobs |
| 00:59.16 | antgel | !pal abrotman |
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| 00:59.46 | abrotman | antgel: should speak volumes about my coding skills huh :) |
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| 00:59.46 | Wyzard | Yuck |
| 00:59.46 | metaperl | who | lpr ; lpstat -t shows a job and then 1 sec later it's gone with no errors in /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 00:59.46 | antgel | abrotman: it's nice. |
| 00:59.46 | antgel | IN 1954! |
| 00:59.52 | travisat | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.56 | abrotman | antgel: it's bad .. it's hard .. it's ugly .. it doesn't make sense |
| 00:59.56 | travisat | blah |
| 00:59.57 | antgel | metaperl: other cups log? |
| 01:00.02 | abrotman | travisat: close :) |
| 01:00.03 | Wyzard | abrotman: What's the name of that language? |
| 01:00.08 | metaperl | antgel: which one is that? |
| 01:00.10 | gnube | ADDS_YESNO, , "&Include settle date" |
| 01:00.14 | gnube | weird |
| 01:00.17 | abrotman | Wyzard: replang . google .. my company comes first afaik |
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| 01:00.32 | antgel | metaperl: ls /var/log/cups |
| 01:00.35 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 01:00.43 | metaperl | antgel: you mean the access log? |
| 01:00.58 | antgel | abrotman: i might have to steal your code for a new project i'm working on |
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| 01:01.08 | antgel | metaperl: is that the only other one there? |
| 01:01.16 | gnube | Client Server Specialists |
| 01:01.23 | abrotman | antgel: i might be willing to pay you to write a java program that would spew that crap out .. in a working fashion :) |
| 01:01.33 | metaperl | antgel: yes, all it has is GET and POST commands |
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| 01:01.58 | abrotman | it's a language for one app .. that only a few hundred companies use |
| 01:02.03 | antgel | abrotman: i don't get out of bed for less than £5000 |
| 01:02.05 | abrotman | albeit .. some rather large companies |
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| 01:02.11 | abrotman | antgel: and yet you irc for free |
| 01:02.21 | antgel | abrotman: i might be in bed for all you know |
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| 01:02.30 | abrotman | antgel: and still on irc |
| 01:02.37 | abrotman | travisat: you likie? |
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| 01:02.41 | antgel | you know, i _should_ like java. but it's so clunky. so fucking slow |
| 01:02.44 | darkhmet | hi everybody!! |
| 01:02.50 | travisat | abrotman: no. I would rather be brainfucked |
| 01:02.50 | abrotman | antgel: so if i'm online during the day and in a bad mood .. you know what i'm doing :) |
| 01:02.51 | antgel | abrotman: i told you, it's a gf replacement |
| 01:02.58 | antgel | abrotman: crask? |
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| 01:03.06 | antgel | s/crask/crack |
| 01:03.07 | abrotman | antgel: you better get one soon .. |
| 01:03.13 | abrotman | antgel: no .. replang :) |
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| 01:03.27 | antgel | abrotman: my bank manager says different |
| 01:03.39 | abrotman | antgel: wasn't your ex your bank manager? :) |
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| 01:03.53 | antgel | abrotman: i _knew_ there was a conflict deep within her |
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| 01:04.57 | abrotman | antgel: but i like the admin part of my job :) |
| 01:05.07 | abrotman | antgel: i'm also the web developer .. |
| 01:05.19 | abrotman | and some how .. sadly became the sql person . which is just wrong |
| 01:05.39 | antgel | abrotman: look. without iceberg lettuce to make life miserable, tomatos wouldn't taste as nice |
| 01:05.51 | abrotman | liver? |
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| 01:06.19 | abrotman | !liver |
| 01:06.22 | antgel | abrotman: if you ever decide to move to .uk, give us a shout. you have all the right skills. but we might have to block irc activity. |
| 01:06.23 | abrotman | hrm |
| 01:06.37 | abrotman | antgel: i'd rather have enough admin work to not have to irc |
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| 01:06.38 | magyar | i want my debian back |
| 01:06.39 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:06.42 | magyar | :( |
| 01:06.45 | abrotman | :> |
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| 01:06.57 | antgel | abrotman: you could always install windows |
| 01:07.02 | abrotman | antgel: on what? |
| 01:07.07 | FieldySnuts | christ i leave E off for 5 seconds and get 3 messages |
| 01:07.07 | FieldySnuts | lame |
| 01:07.09 | antgel | abrotman: your servers |
| 01:07.13 | abrotman | antgel: i want work .. not pain |
| 01:07.26 | antgel | abrotman: you want the moon on a stick |
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| 01:07.38 | abrotman | antgel: it's made of cheese .. i like cheese |
| 01:08.04 | magyar | I NEED AN UPDATED INSTALLER WITH 2.6.11 or 12 KERNEL !!!! |
| 01:08.06 | magyar | NOW |
| 01:08.08 | FieldySnuts | http://moon.google.com/ even says so. zoom in. |
| 01:08.09 | greycat | !custom d-i |
| 01:08.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 01:08.14 | FieldySnuts | magyar: shut up with the caps. |
| 01:08.14 | lakcaj | We all know the moon's not made out of cheese, but if it was made out of barbequed spare ribs... would you eat it? |
| 01:08.21 | magyar | lol |
| 01:08.24 | abrotman | google wouldn't lie .. it's made from cheese |
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| 01:08.25 | greycat | magyar: make one. see above. |
| 01:08.31 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 01:08.31 | dpkg | custom netinst is probably http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD |
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| 01:08.50 | greycat | "custom netinst" was woody stuff |
| 01:09.05 | abrotman | greycat: only the first for dell POS thingies |
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| 01:09.22 | abrotman | which still might be relevant |
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| 01:09.45 | abrotman | the dell one has 2.4.31 |
| 01:09.47 | magyar | hey greycat can you help a brother, build one for me |
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| 01:09.54 | antgel | greycat: me too |
| 01:09.57 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:10.05 | lakcaj | I want 2.6.13 while you're at it |
| 01:10.11 | jerrymcfarts | hello |
| 01:10.14 | magyar | greycat: i just know if i will build it , it wont work |
| 01:10.17 | antgel | lakcaj: and kde 5.6 |
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| 01:10.21 | jerrymcfarts | anyone run VNC servers alot? |
| 01:10.22 | FieldySnuts | i smell troll |
| 01:10.32 | FieldySnuts | jerrymcfarts: at home yes, then from work I connect to it over ssh |
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| 01:10.37 | litage | what does the "S" in this do? i can't find any mention of it in the manpages: update-rc.d firewall.sh start 40 S 3 . stop 89 0 6 . |
| 01:10.42 | magyar | grey: plus i need a working system to build it |
| 01:10.50 | jerrymcfarts | is there anyway to actually watch what the other people are doing on your computer FieldySnuts |
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| 01:11.05 | abrotman | greycat: do you know why when i join .. i have /mode +6 ? |
| 01:11.13 | greycat | litage: then just use rm(1) and ln(1) like the rest of us. |
| 01:11.20 | greycat | update-rc.d is for Debian scripts. |
| 01:11.20 | jerrymcfarts | FieldySnuts, if i had a server running on my current computer? |
| 01:11.21 | FieldySnuts | jerrymcfarts: shared session, i think. something like that. |
| 01:11.31 | atom-z | jerrymcfarts, look over their shoulder |
| 01:11.46 | lakcaj | w |
| 01:12.00 | abrotman | 0 users |
| 01:12.02 | greycat | t |
| 01:12.04 | jerrymcfarts | atom-z, haha |
| 01:12.12 | FieldySnuts | nah you can connect to a VNC server, then another user can, at the same time. you can either make them both controll the session, or only one controls, the other gets to watch |
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| 01:12.18 | FieldySnuts | and you can keep adding sessions |
| 01:12.21 | gnube | does debootstrap wipe out one's hard drive? |
| 01:12.34 | FieldySnuts | I think the -v option is view only, lemme look. tightvnc? |
| 01:12.34 | gnube | I guess I oughta back stuff up. |
| 01:12.42 | Wyzard | gnube: No, it unpacks a bunch of files into a directory |
| 01:12.52 | FieldySnuts | good to have the backup anyway |
| 01:12.58 | greycat | but you *should* back up. |
| 01:12.59 | Wyzard | gnube: The intention is that you use it on an empty directory which can then be chrooted into |
| 01:13.07 | abrotman | guess not |
| 01:13.07 | gnube | Wyzard: So it is generally safe - and yues I should back things up. |
| 01:13.20 | abrotman | i thought it was a freenode thing .. |
| 01:13.25 | Wyzard | gnube: It's a good idea to back things up in general, but you don't need to specifically for debootstrap |
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| 01:13.42 | jerrymcfarts | FieldySnuts, im trying the -alwaysshared option |
| 01:13.46 | gnube | Wyzard: I see. But chrooting - I thought that was a sort of jail? |
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| 01:14.12 | FieldySnuts | jerrymcfarts: -viewonly in vncviewer (tightvnc) does just that; you connect, and watch, but have no control. i'm not sure if anyone else there is notified or not, they certainly aren't kicked off |
| 01:14.16 | litage | greycat: yeah i realize that, but i'm looking at this script that tries to install a service, but it has that "S" there which is weird. any idea what the "S" does? |
| 01:14.18 | Wyzard | gnube: I suppose if you run it on a non-empty directory it might overwrite existing files if they happened to have the same names as stuff debootstrap was putting there, but that's improper usage anyway |
| 01:14.30 | greycat | litage: I'd consult the fine man page. |
| 01:14.41 | greycat | if there's no fine man page, I'd consult the fucking man page. |
| 01:14.48 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:14.59 | gnube | Wyzard: So the best thing to do is create a directory and then run the command. |
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| 01:15.06 | litage | greycat: already read through the [fscking] manpage, but there was no mention of "S" |
| 01:15.08 | gnube | Or does it create the directory? |
| 01:15.15 | Wyzard | gnube: No, it doesn't create the directory |
| 01:15.22 | gnube | Not so much documentation really. |
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| 01:15.36 | gnube | But I will look at debtakeover /help |
| 01:15.36 | Wyzard | gnube: Create a directory, cd into it, and run debootstrap with the appropriate options |
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| 01:15.49 | gnube | Wyzard: Thanks very much, will do. |
| 01:15.50 | Wyzard | gnube: What is it that you're trying to accomplish, anyway? |
| 01:15.52 | greycat | then ask whoever wrote the script |
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| 01:16.14 | antgel | bedtime. fuck java. prog on! |
| 01:16.46 | gnube | Wyzard: I am hoping to move from Fedora Core 1 to debian on a server at home. |
| 01:16.59 | greycat | if it's at home, stick a damned CD in and install debian. |
| 01:17.09 | abrotman | oh .. i like that plan! |
| 01:17.22 | gnube | sheesh. suck language. |
| 01:17.28 | gnube | s/suck/such/ |
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| 01:17.32 | litage | greycat: it's from the Securing Debian Manual! |
| 01:17.35 | FieldySnuts | if you are offended by that, you won't last long here |
| 01:17.48 | gnube | Filbert: </irony> |
| 01:17.54 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:17.55 | greycat | litage: guess what it does, and write an ln(1) command to replace it. |
| 01:17.56 | gnube | sorry Filbert |
| 01:18.01 | abrotman | apt: shit |
| 01:18.03 | apt | from memory, shit is feces |
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| 01:18.09 | FieldySnuts | watch your language |
| 01:18.13 | gnube | FieldySnuts: </facetiousness? |
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| 01:18.13 | abrotman | wait .. how come everything else gets me a lecture? |
| 01:18.16 | gnube | FieldySnuts: </facetiousness? |
| 01:18.19 | gnube | FieldySnuts: </facetiousness> |
| 01:18.21 | FieldySnuts | gnube: engrish? |
| 01:18.34 | abrotman | !singlishsmite gnube |
| 01:18.34 | gnube | I look stupid now. |
| 01:18.35 | dpkg | gnube: Still say some more! Whack you then you know! |
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| 01:18.54 | gnube | I've been smitted. |
| 01:18.57 | Wyzard | gnube: debtakeover is more appropriate for that... debootstrap will give you Debian in a subdirectory of your Fedora system |
| 01:19.03 | Dewi | gnube: smited |
| 01:19.06 | greycat | smitten |
| 01:19.09 | travisat | smote |
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| 01:19.14 | abrotman | smut |
| 01:19.14 | Dewi | ouch |
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| 01:19.21 | gnube | Dewi: I WAS BEING SARCASTIC! |
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| 01:19.31 | varroa | Anyone here a devel? I'm unable to get pbuilder to bootstrap sid. |
| 01:19.35 | gnube | now I am screaming like a troll. |
| 01:19.37 | abrotman | i'm a devil |
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| 01:19.42 | fantomas | Hi. What tool shows detailed information about an ISO-image - filesystem, used extensions, etc? |
| 01:19.47 | atom-z | 1 : facetiousness --> playful humor (noun.attribute) |
| 01:19.51 | atom-z | heh. didnt know that |
| 01:19.53 | gnube | I deserved to be {smut|smite|smitted|smote} |
| 01:19.55 | abrotman | !dict facetious |
| 01:20.00 | dpkg | Dictionary 'facetious' Facetious \Fa*ce"tious\, a. [Cf. F. fac['e]tieux. See Faceti[ae].] 1. Given to wit and good humor; merry; sportive; jocular; as, a facetious companion. |
| 01:20.00 | MDM2344 | Anyone please know how or where do I put programs I want to startup in XFCE4? |
| 01:20.05 | greycat | griffon:~$ dpkg -L mkisofs | grep bin |
| 01:20.07 | greycat | /usr/bin/isoinfo |
| 01:20.08 | greycat | /usr/bin/isodump |
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| 01:20.12 | greycat | one of those, I'd guess |
| 01:20.14 | fantomas | thnx |
| 01:20.24 | robbie_ | anyone availabel for help with exim4 and clamav, i have followed a few howtos but its just hot happening |
| 01:20.31 | robbie_ | not happeening even |
| 01:20.34 | Area-51 | how would i mount an external hdd (/dev/sda1) so that a normal user would have rw(x) access to it? (debian sarge, kernel 2.6.11.11) |
| 01:20.46 | greycat | Area-51: /msg dpkg user accessible ntfs |
| 01:20.48 | gnube | Wyzard: So debtakeover is alright to use to move from Fedora to Debian? |
| 01:20.49 | greycat | Area-51: or man chmod |
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| 01:21.08 | gnube | robbie_: Ask in #exim - some good people there. |
| 01:21.09 | mfrisch | Area-51 edit fstab |
| 01:21.13 | Area-51 | greycat: its reiserfs, and chmod doesnt seem to work, ive tried that but the settings wont hold, iirc |
| 01:21.18 | gnube | Not like there are not good people here .. . |
| 01:21.21 | greycat | gnube: 1) make a new partition, 2) install debian in it, 3) update the boot loader, 4) boot debian, 5) move data over. |
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| 01:21.35 | travisat | Area-51: man fstab or mount |
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| 01:21.44 | gnube | greycat: Thank you, that sounds like a plan to follow. |
| 01:21.46 | Area-51 | ill give those a read, thanks |
| 01:21.50 | greycat | Area-51: then it's read-only or corrupted or reiser just plain sucks |
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| 01:22.11 | Area-51 | greycat: pfft... not a fan of reiser i assume? |
| 01:22.12 | robbie_ | gnube: ta |
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| 01:22.20 | Dewi | apt and dpkg won't speak to me. :( |
| 01:22.22 | Dewi | was it something I said? |
| 01:22.23 | gnube | robbie_: Sure thing. |
| 01:22.38 | gnube | robbie_: Look out for Marc Haber, he is the maintainer, he can help. |
| 01:22.58 | robbie_ | ok |
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| 01:23.22 | gnube | robbie_: But make sure you have read the spec! People can be well, a bit touchy. |
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| 01:23.42 | phaedral | gnube: yo |
| 01:23.55 | akusarujin | eek, splits. |
| 01:23.56 | gnube | hey phaedral |
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| 01:24.01 | FieldySnuts | no just annoying bots |
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| 01:24.17 | gnube | how are your exim issues? |
| 01:24.31 | phaedral | lets see if I can follow directions and get gmailfs running |
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| 01:25.00 | gnube | phaedral: Isn't there some kind of python program to do that for you? |
| 01:25.15 | gnube | like gmail.py? |
| 01:25.33 | travisat | gmailfs isn't worth it |
| 01:25.42 | oigres | Is there anything equivalent to sync4j on Debian? |
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| 01:26.04 | phaedral | there's a gmailfs from apt-get, and a detailed howto at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/198 |
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| 01:26.25 | phaedral | travisat: you're probably right, but I'm curious to see if I can do it |
| 01:27.10 | mhall | fucking spam bots |
| 01:27.23 | mhall | do they honestly think people will buy services advertised in that manner? |
| 01:27.27 | mhall | I'm entirely baffled. |
| 01:27.27 | gnube | spucking fam bots |
| 01:27.34 | FieldySnuts | fucking complainers who don't read the topic |
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| 01:27.40 | phaedral | got as far as "module-assitant prepare", choked |
| 01:27.43 | FieldySnuts | @mhallsmite mhall |
| 01:27.46 | Area-51 | so, how long should it take to transfer 7.5G at 9M/sec? |
| 01:27.48 | FieldySnuts | bah |
| 01:27.50 | Area-51 | ^.^ |
| 01:27.55 | mhall | FieldySnuts: i'm not getting spammed by them |
| 01:27.58 | FieldySnuts | Area-51: use basic math skills. |
| 01:28.03 | MDM2344 | what application does Gnome use to start programs at startup? |
| 01:28.05 | mhall | FieldySnuts: i'm just weirdly confused by it |
| 01:28.06 | travisat | 7500 seconds approx |
| 01:28.06 | FieldySnuts | apt: mhallsmite mhall |
| 01:28.07 | apt | Fuck mhall. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 01:28.07 | gnube | fucking fuckers who don't fucking do this or that. |
| 01:28.09 | Area-51 | FieldySnuts: i failed math 3 times... |
| 01:28.18 | FieldySnuts | i didn't, i'm not about to do it for you |
| 01:28.40 | Area-51 | FieldySnuts: me love you long time? |
| 01:28.48 | phaedral | well, looks like I'm gonna file my first bug report |
| 01:28.56 | Area-51 | oh nevermind, it finished transferring, lol |
| 01:29.00 | FieldySnuts | make Phated do it, she's in school |
| 01:29.01 | phaedral | "Since you only requested a single operation..." |
| 01:29.08 | FieldySnuts | ~hire Phated |
| 01:29.09 | apt | ACTION hires Phated along with unixfool_ as a McDonalds Floor Mopper, 3rd shift, at 3 kicks in the crotch/hour to start |
| 01:29.28 | Area-51 | ~love Area-51 |
| 01:29.29 | apt | If you love Area-51 so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
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| 01:29.35 | Area-51 | :P |
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| 01:29.43 | greycat | that's *so* 4th grade. |
| 01:29.45 | Area-51 | ~beat Area-51 |
| 01:29.47 | apt | ACTION beats Area-51 with a large stick. |
| 01:29.50 | Area-51 | ;D |
| 01:29.54 | FieldySnuts | no redneck katana? |
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| 01:30.48 | gnube | SO long, and thanks for all the fish! |
| 01:30.55 | mhall | heh |
| 01:31.01 | mhall | the best closer line ever |
| 01:31.33 | greycat | "Remote closed the connection"? nah, I've heard better. |
| 01:31.45 | mhall | greycat: no, so long and thanks for all the fish |
| 01:31.56 | mhall | greycat: you troll |
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| 01:34.15 | abrotman | swears what? |
| 01:34.32 | barryh | abrotman: curses, uses profanity |
| 01:34.33 | Dewi | does gdm/gnome have some concept of being able to "detach" my session, to subsequently reattach from remotely or from the console later? |
| 01:34.40 | FieldySnuts | Dewi: nope |
| 01:34.42 | Area-51 | ~dance |
| 01:34.44 | apt | "ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' alive, stayin' alive" |
| 01:34.50 | FieldySnuts | ~sussudio |
| 01:34.51 | apt | Kiss my shiny metal ass, fieldysnuts! |
| 01:34.51 | Area-51 | omfg ;D |
| 01:34.54 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:34.56 | Area-51 | lol |
| 01:35.02 | abrotman | !dance |
| 01:35.04 | GullyFoyle | opera tells me it cant load plugims because i need to install Motif, but when i apt-cache search Motif i get a boatload of apps and such and i dont know which to install |
| 01:35.05 | Area-51 | lol |
| 01:35.08 | travisat | !bot abuse |
| 01:35.08 | dpkg | Leave me alone.. I feel abused and molested. |
| 01:35.11 | Area-51 | lol |
| 01:35.13 | Dewi | FieldySnuts: is there some way I can have long-running X programs without trying up my console? |
| 01:35.15 | phaedral | no, really, my cat is looking at me funny 'cause i'm lol |
| 01:35.17 | Wyzard | Dewi: No, but GNOME has a VNC server called "vino" which you can enable, that lets you VNC into your GNOME session |
| 01:35.19 | abrotman | GullyFoyle: it's uhm .. i know this |
| 01:35.20 | Dewi | FieldySnuts: tying up I mean |
| 01:35.31 | FieldySnuts | i don't know |
| 01:35.32 | abrotman | or thought i did |
| 01:35.34 | GullyFoyle | abrotman, yeeees? |
| 01:35.34 | Dewi | Wyzard: can anyone else use the console though? |
| 01:35.39 | Wyzard | Dewi: no |
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| 01:35.57 | abrotman | GullyFoyle: what file is it complaining about? |
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| 01:36.08 | Wyzard | Dewi: For that, you could run an ordinary vncserver -- which is an X server in its own right, but doesn't talk to any display hardware |
| 01:36.16 | GullyFoyle | abrotman, it just says to install Motif |
| 01:36.23 | greycat | GullyFoyle: run. now. |
| 01:36.29 | GullyFoyle | i see one called motifnls |
| 01:36.32 | Wyzard | Dewi: Run the vncserver as a background job, and connect to it with a VNC client when you want to see its screen |
| 01:36.44 | abrotman | GullyFoyle: no .. doesn't it give an error when you start it "? |
| 01:36.48 | greycat | GullyFoyle: motif is evil! evil I say! (but the free version is called lesstif) |
| 01:37.01 | GullyFoyle | it gives a warning and then starts anyway |
| 01:37.10 | abrotman | GullyFoyle: yes .. what does the error say? |
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| 01:37.38 | GullyFoyle | just as i said at top, cant load plugins bla bla bla |
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| 01:38.03 | greycat | wait... why are we SUPPORTING OPERA for him>? |
| 01:38.05 | GullyFoyle | i'll paste it in #flood |
| 01:38.14 | greycat | go ask them! you paid them for it! |
| 01:38.23 | abrotman | greycat: you missed all the knoppix/ubuntu support earlier :) |
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| 01:38.40 | greycat | I kicked one ubuntu idiot. |
| 01:39.40 | GullyFoyle | i got the free registration yesterday, one for 'doze, one for linux |
| 01:39.48 | abrotman | why the hell would you go home with glenn close ... |
| 01:40.18 | greycat | if you're refering to some movie where she's a psycho, i haven't seen it |
| 01:40.33 | abrotman | i don't know the name |
| 01:40.35 | abrotman | but yes ... |
| 01:40.45 | abrotman | where she tries to kill one of the douglas dudes |
| 01:40.46 | GullyFoyle | with michael douglas |
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| 01:40.57 | greycat | looks matter very little by the time you're that age. |
| 01:41.00 | FieldySnuts | er |
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| 01:41.12 | abrotman | greycat: it all goes downhill ? |
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| 01:41.20 | FieldySnuts | no pun |
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| 01:42.05 | GullyFoyle | fatal attraction |
| 01:42.38 | abrotman | yeah .. i think |
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| 01:43.05 | n3x_ | How to you "dd" one hard drive to another? |
| 01:43.10 | greycat | carefully. |
| 01:43.13 | n3x_ | dp |
| 01:43.14 | n3x_ | do |
| 01:43.16 | n3x_ | heh |
| 01:43.28 | n3x_ | whats the best way to copy hdd > hdd ? |
| 01:43.39 | travisat | dd probably |
| 01:43.41 | n3x_ | in this case hda > sda |
| 01:43.51 | Reilithion | Ok, so I'm trying to burn a cd. I have kernel version 2.6.10, and cdrecord complains an awful lot. |
| 01:43.52 | Wyzard | n3x_: Between two partitions of exactly the same size, use dd |
| 01:44.03 | Wyzard | n3x_: Otherwise, use "cp -a" or dump and restore |
| 01:44.09 | abrotman | n3x_: oh .. in that case .. dd |
| 01:44.14 | nevyn | Reilithion: what are you using for recording? |
| 01:44.19 | n3x_ | Wyzard: from a 10gb to a 160gb... |
| 01:44.30 | Reilithion | nevyn: you mean the disc, the drive, or what? |
| 01:44.36 | nevyn | software. |
| 01:44.38 | greycat | n3x_: make a 10 GB file system on the big disk and cp -a the files over. |
| 01:44.41 | Wyzard | n3x_: It'd be better to partition the new drive the way you want it, create and mount filesystems, and just copy the files |
| 01:44.47 | Dewi | Wyzard: is vnc generally the fastest remoting method bandwidth wise? |
| 01:44.53 | nevyn | and what device are you telling the software to use? |
| 01:44.54 | Reilithion | burn. |
| 01:44.57 | n3x_ | Wyzard: what about lilo etc? |
| 01:44.59 | FieldySnuts | Dewi: no, hell no |
| 01:45.14 | n3x_ | how will it go with booting etc from the disk, |
| 01:45.15 | mhall | Dewi: no |
| 01:45.15 | Wyzard | n3x_: Install a bootloader (preferably GRUB) in the MBR of the new drive after you've finished copying the files |
| 01:45.25 | Dewi | mhall, FieldySnuts : what else? |
| 01:45.28 | greycat | n3x_: if you want to boot from it, then put an MBR in too. |
| 01:45.28 | Reilithion | I tried using cdrecord directly like this: cdrecord -scanbus |
| 01:45.33 | FieldySnuts | ssh in, shell |
| 01:45.38 | mhall | Dewi: fastest would be telnet, then ssh, then graphically perhaps RDP / Citrix |
| 01:45.40 | Dewi | FieldySnuts: okay, I meant for X apps |
| 01:45.43 | n3x_ | so " cp -a / /mnt/160/ " ? |
| 01:45.45 | Wyzard | Dewi: Remote X is faster, but doesn't let you connect and disconnect a session the way you want |
| 01:45.52 | FieldySnuts | oh i have no idea, "fast" and "X" is mutually exclusive |
| 01:45.55 | Reilithion | and like this, also: cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA |
| 01:45.59 | greycat | !wikifaq Reilithion UseCdBurner |
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| 01:46.00 | dpkg | Reilithion: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseCdBurner or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 01:46.03 | n3x_ | greycat: mrb.. how... just run lilo and install it onto that drive? |
| 01:46.12 | mhall | Dewi: but any kind of graphical remote stuff is guaranteed to be slow |
| 01:46.12 | greycat | n3x_: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README* |
| 01:46.13 | Dewi | mhall: I know rdp is great, but is there rdpd for X? |
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| 01:46.19 | n3x_ | greycat: im a lilo guy |
| 01:46.25 | greycat | n3x_: then read the docs. |
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| 01:46.28 | n3x_ | Dewi: rdesktop |
| 01:46.29 | Wyzard | n3x_: Close, but that'll try to copy the contents of /mnt/160 as well as any other mounted filesystems |
| 01:46.40 | Dewi | n3x_: that's a client only, isn't it? |
| 01:46.43 | Reilithion | thanks, greycat |
| 01:46.47 | greycat | n3x_: cp -ax is your friend |
| 01:46.49 | n3x_ | Wyzard: /mnt/160 is an empty drive |
| 01:47.08 | n3x_ | Dewi: yes .. else use vncserver |
| 01:47.09 | Wyzard | n3x_: Use cp's "--one-file-system" option, or better yet, "mount --bind / /mnt/oldroot" and then copy from /mnt/oldroot |
| 01:47.11 | greycat | n3x_: 'cause you do NOT want to copy /proc or /sys |
| 01:47.19 | greycat | Wyzard: -x is the same, yes? |
| 01:47.26 | Wyzard | n3x_: Nonetheless, you don't want to descend into other mounted filesystems |
| 01:47.31 | mhall | Dewi: there is a way but it's not free |
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| 01:47.42 | Wyzard | greycat: yes |
| 01:47.45 | n3x_ | ok... one at a time thanks... |
| 01:47.48 | mhall | Dewi: there is also an X protocol extension LBX that cuts the bandwidth necessary |
| 01:47.48 | greycat | yeah, -x is the normal easy to remember one and that thing Wyzard used is the long GNU one |
| 01:48.13 | Dewi | mhall: yes, I have used it. Can't decide if it's faster or slower than tightvnc however |
| 01:48.17 | n3x_ | all i need is for it to WORK... any simple way possible is good enough |
| 01:48.19 | Wyzard | greycat: "--one-file-system" is more obvious about what it does :-) |
| 01:48.21 | greycat | n3x_: cp -ax |
| 01:48.23 | Dewi | mhall: both are slower than rdp |
| 01:48.30 | Dewi | mhall: by a long way, unfortunately |
| 01:48.38 | greycat | Wyzard: no, because -x is the thing you remember from find -xdev |
| 01:48.58 | n3x_ | ok so... cp -ax /etc /var etc.. /mnt/160 ? |
| 01:49.01 | greycat | Wyzard: from when you used to use find . -xdev -print | cpio -paduv |
| 01:49.05 | Wyzard | greycat: I think "-xdev" is a stupid name for that option |
| 01:49.06 | greycat | n3x_: NO! cp -ax / |
| 01:49.56 | Wyzard | greycat: We talked briefly earlier about permissions of mountpoints... will "cp -ax" copy the ownership and permissions of the mounted filesystem's root, or of the underlying directory? |
| 01:49.58 | n3x_ | so the x doesnt copy?? device files?? |
| 01:50.02 | Area-51 | is there a way to run nautalis without having the full gnome desktop and stuff coming up? (just running it standalone) |
| 01:50.04 | greycat | Wyzard: what... didn't EVERYONE use find . -xdev -print | cpio -paduv for 5 years before Linux? |
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| 01:50.22 | greycat | n3x_: man cp |
| 01:50.32 | greycat | AND YOU *DO* want do copy device files!!! |
| 01:50.38 | greycat | s/do/to/ |
| 01:50.44 | greycat | you DO NOT want /proc or /sys |
| 01:50.46 | GullyFoyle | no errors this time |
| 01:50.50 | GullyFoyle | kewl |
| 01:50.52 | greycat | fortuantely, /dev is PART OF ROOT. |
| 01:50.56 | greycat | because you don't use udev. |
| 01:51.02 | greycat | because only a moron would use udev. |
| 01:51.30 | mhall | ack |
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| 01:51.34 | mhall | udev is horrifyin |
| 01:51.44 | mhall | i tried it but i couldn't survive |
| 01:51.45 | Wyzard | greycat: I prefer to "mount --bind" the root filesystem somewhere and copy it from there, because that way I know nothing is possibly being "masked" by mounted filesystems |
| 01:51.56 | twobitsprit1 | why is it that whenever I boot debian Sarge, I get a bunch of module problems? "USB Core already loaded" and "shpchp: can't be loaded" etc...? |
| 01:51.57 | nevyn | meh |
| 01:52.00 | nevyn | udev good |
| 01:52.08 | mhall | eew |
| 01:52.10 | greycat | Wyzard: I'm used to unix where we don't have that fancy stuff |
| 01:52.10 | mhall | eew |
| 01:52.16 | twobitsprit1 | I've installed debian on this machine before (a few years ago) without any problems... |
| 01:52.36 | Wyzard | twobitsprit1: Those messages are harmless |
| 01:52.45 | Area-51 | is there a way to install/run nautalus without gnome-control-center and gnome-session and etc? |
| 01:52.50 | twobitsprit1 | Wyzard: is there a way to stop them? they bug me... |
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| 01:53.01 | Paganist | Hi everyone, Is there a way that when a user logs in throught sftp (and only using sftp, not ssh....) that the uploaded files get set to user:group and some particular rights ? |
| 01:53.11 | nevyn | udev hal and a vfs manager means that my camera usbkey and usb hdd are mounted in consistant places automatically |
| 01:53.16 | thingfish | twobitsprit1: prozac helps with obsessive type problems. |
| 01:53.19 | Wyzard | twobitsprit1: The first comes from something (probably discover, the hardware-autodetection system) trying to load a driver that's already loaded, and the second is from a driver for a piece of hardware you don't have |
| 01:53.22 | greycat | Paganist: you can't chown files as non-root on linux |
| 01:53.34 | phaedral_ | using reportbug; is it appropriate to mention how I generated the bug? |
| 01:53.36 | Reilithion | greycat: When I try to cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA:, it says Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second. |
| 01:53.38 | jtan325 | what's the "soft" version of #debian-devel again? |
| 01:53.44 | Reilithion | greycat: my cd burner is on /dev/hdc |
| 01:53.44 | greycat | Reilithion: as root? |
| 01:53.51 | Reilithion | yes |
| 01:53.52 | Paganist | greycat: but ssh beeing root... |
| 01:53.53 | mhall | Dewi: apparently the citrix website gotomypc will give you a 30-day trial of their product |
| 01:53.57 | twobitsprit1 | Wyzard: so, how would I stop it from trying to load something I don't have hardware for? |
| 01:53.59 | n3x_ | greycat: any idea what init: "5" respawning too fast sleeping for 5 minutes means? |
| 01:54.00 | jtan325 | or the debian channel for developer/packager newbies |
| 01:54.02 | mhall | Dewi: and it works on win, lin, and mac |
| 01:54.06 | greycat | Reilithion: dunno then. I use 2.4.x and ide-scsi. |
| 01:54.16 | mhall | Dewi: so that might be the thing to try if you cared about speed |
| 01:54.20 | Wyzard | twobitsprit1: You'd have to find out what's trying to load it |
| 01:54.28 | Paganist | i thought maybe the ssh daemon could do it for the user |
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| 01:54.41 | Dewi | mhall: I think vnc will just about manage |
| 01:54.42 | Wyzard | twobitsprit1: More effort than it's worth |
| 01:54.43 | Paganist | creating them directly the good way |
| 01:54.48 | Dewi | mhall: I miss rdp though |
| 01:54.51 | twobitsprit1 | Wyzard: there isn't a central place where modules are loaded? |
| 01:55.08 | greycat | twobitsprit1: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 01:55.28 | Reilithion | Anyone have any idea how I can get cdrecord dev=ATA: to use /dev/hdc instead of /dev/hda? |
| 01:55.39 | Wyzard | twobitsprit1: There's a central place for *you* to define modules that you want to ensure are loaded, but there are lots of other things that will load modules as-needed |
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| 01:55.39 | mhall | Dewi: er scratch it, only the *client* is multiplatform |
| 01:55.48 | Wyzard | Reilithion: dev=/dev/hdc |
| 01:55.50 | greycat | Wyzard: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 01:55.51 | mhall | Dewi: of course the server is fucking windows only :-( |
| 01:56.08 | Reilithion | Wyzard: in addition to the dev=ATA:? |
| 01:56.16 | twobitsprit1 | greycat: dpkg doesn't seem to want to tell me about "blacklist" |
| 01:56.24 | Wyzard | greycat: That only affects discover... it could be something else that's trying to load shpchp |
| 01:56.24 | mhall | twobitsprit1: worked for me |
| 01:56.28 | Wyzard | Reilithion: No, instead |
| 01:56.36 | Reilithion | Wyzard: ok, I'll try it |
| 01:56.44 | mhall | Reilithion: that info is BS |
| 01:56.53 | mhall | Reilithion: just use dev=/dev/hdc |
| 01:56.55 | Dewi | mhall: exactly. It's a shame. I don't know how the hell rdp manages it, but it's incredibly efficient. |
| 01:56.57 | travisat | blacklisting shpchp stops it from loading if I remember correctly |
| 01:56.59 | greycat | twobitsprit1: you're away, but not responding to CTCP VERSION. So I can't tell you what's wrong, unless it's the away thing. |
| 01:57.09 | mhall | Dewi: because it understands the underlying gui objects |
| 01:57.13 | Wyzard | Dewi: The X protocol is pretty efficient too |
| 01:57.14 | Dewi | mhall: it's not often I'm on a dialup now anyway so vnc will probably do okay |
| 01:57.24 | mhall | Dewi: vnc and the other multiplatform gadgets tend to think about things as bitmaps |
| 01:57.26 | Dewi | Wyzard: not last time I checked |
| 01:57.34 | mhall | Dewi: try LBX if you can |
| 01:57.34 | Dewi | Wyzard: LBX was better |
| 01:57.46 | twobitsprit1 | bleh... blasted gaim |
| 01:57.49 | Dewi | but most people (including the LBX author) consider LBX to be completely outdated now |
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| 01:58.16 | Wyzard | Dewi: I read an article a year or two ago which found that X with compression (such as through an SSH tunnel with '-C') was about on par with LBX |
| 01:59.00 | Wyzard | Dewi: I'm sure RDP uses compression, and I know it uses SSL for encryption, so I think X-over-compressed-SSH is a fair comparison |
| 01:59.01 | phaedral_ | okay, i don't want to submit a bunch of bogus bug reports, but now trying to apt-get install g++ tells me there are broken deps and to report bug |
| 01:59.05 | phaedral_ | please advise |
| 01:59.25 | greycat | phaedral_: make sure it's not your own screw-up |
| 01:59.27 | mhall | phaedral_: well try specifying a specific version of g++ |
| 01:59.33 | nevyn | NX is kicking it' |
| 01:59.36 | mhall | phaedral_: and make sure you are running stable debian |
| 01:59.38 | nevyn | NX is kicking it's ass tho. |
| 01:59.40 | phaedral_ | greycat: am trying |
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| 01:59.51 | mhall | phaedral_: if unstable debian is doing it, that's not really a bug |
| 01:59.52 | Rucas | something has eaten up 900mb of ram, how can i tell what the culprit is? |
| 02:00.02 | mhall | Rucas: top command lists mem usage |
| 02:00.03 | twobitsprit1 | Rucas: 'top' |
| 02:00.04 | travisat | top? |
| 02:00.05 | phaedral_ | sarge |
| 02:00.08 | Rucas | i know that |
| 02:00.08 | mhall | Rucas: and you can sort by mem usage |
| 02:00.13 | Rucas | how do i sort by mem |
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| 02:00.15 | phaedral_ | fresh net install with nothing much added |
| 02:00.24 | twobitsprit1 | Rucas: I think you just hit "m" |
| 02:00.27 | phaedral_ | built java the dpkg way yesterday to be "pure" |
| 02:00.28 | greycat | Rucas: shift-M |
| 02:00.34 | Rucas | shift+M |
| 02:00.34 | exobyte | How can I make a file that just has binary ones? |
| 02:00.35 | twobitsprit1 | greycat: that's it... |
| 02:00.35 | Rucas | hehe |
| 02:00.36 | Rucas | thanks |
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| 02:01.01 | greycat | exobyte: echo -ne '\xFF' |
| 02:01.06 | phaedral_ | first try was for g++=4:3.3.5-3 |
| 02:01.13 | phaedral_ | second was for just g++ |
| 02:01.17 | phaedral_ | both failed with same message |
| 02:01.36 | exobyte | greycat: thx |
| 02:01.40 | GullyFoyle | yeah i built java with dpkg too yesterday, workrd like a charm |
| 02:01.57 | phaedral_ | GullyFoyle: and made me feel cleaner |
| 02:02.01 | mhall | that's funny, they have a /dev/zero but no /dev/one |
| 02:02.04 | GullyFoyle | har |
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| 02:02.16 | Rucas | something is using 1020672k of ram but I don't see in top anything using more than 7% |
| 02:02.18 | phaedral_ | or at least less susceptible to guru-flames |
| 02:02.18 | Rucas | heh |
| 02:02.30 | twobitsprit1 | mhall: and no /dev/fourtytwo either! bastards... |
| 02:02.31 | mhall | Rucas: uh ok how do you know it is being used |
| 02:02.42 | mhall | twobitsprit1: oh damn i didn't think of that |
| 02:02.48 | mhall | twobitsprit1: that's almost heretical |
| 02:02.55 | twobitsprit1 | indeed! |
| 02:02.59 | GullyFoyle | yeah i was in here one day asking about installing sun's jre and got a lot of guff about it |
| 02:02.59 | greycat | of course, there's no u in forty |
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| 02:03.11 | nekron | my debian version is stable.. i want to install the gaim 1.5 here.. how? |
| 02:03.12 | travisat | or in color |
| 02:03.14 | Rucas | MemTotal: 1036008 kB |
| 02:03.14 | Rucas | MemFree: 13732 kB |
| 02:03.21 | greycat | !FREE MEMORY |
| 02:03.21 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 02:03.25 | greycat | JESUS. |
| 02:03.30 | Rucas | i know that |
| 02:03.31 | mhall | twobitsprit1: well at least Linus can get some fish from Finland for the dolphins |
| 02:03.35 | greycat | am I just old, jaded and cynical? |
| 02:03.36 | Rucas | but i am swapping to hell |
| 02:03.38 | Rucas | and am running nothing |
| 02:03.43 | twobitsprit1 | mhall: sure enough |
| 02:04.06 | mhall | twobitsprit1: and we've been good to the penguins |
| 02:04.13 | greycat | Rucas: what evidence do you have that you are "swapping to hell"? |
| 02:04.17 | mhall | twobitsprit1: we are their PR dept |
| 02:04.31 | Rucas | my i/o is taking a huge thrashing and SwapFree is about 500mb less than SwapTotal |
| 02:04.31 | twobitsprit1 | mhall: that should earn us some points |
| 02:04.35 | greycat | (because that MemFree line ain't it.) |
| 02:04.39 | Rucas | and growing (or declining) |
| 02:04.47 | Rucas | depending on how you look at it |
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| 02:05.10 | Rucas | i think i'll just init6 it |
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| 02:05.14 | Rucas | nothing vital running |
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| 02:05.23 | litage | what does "rc" in "rc[S0-9]" stand for? |
| 02:05.31 | mhall | litage: i want to say run control |
| 02:05.32 | greycat | run commands |
| 02:05.38 | litage | thanks |
| 02:05.39 | greycat | or something along those lines |
| 02:05.51 | greycat | same as the rc in .xinitrc .bashrc .fvwmrc etc. |
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| 02:06.18 | mhall | litage: don't quote me on it |
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| 02:08.04 | mhall | there is some kind of odd pattern to the spam nicks |
| 02:08.09 | mhall | but i cannot put my finger on it |
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| 02:08.24 | UdontKnow | mhall: we're working on them |
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| 02:08.56 | mhall | UdontKnow: so I don't know but you UdoKnow UKnow? |
| 02:09.18 | UdontKnow | heh |
| 02:09.23 | mhall | UdontKnow: ;-) |
| 02:09.26 | travisat | I don't know, but they know that uknow, don't you know |
| 02:09.39 | mhall | travisat: no I don't know |
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| 02:09.46 | greycat | forgive them, for TheydontKnow what they do |
| 02:09.53 | rkingle | is there any way to refresh your groups without having to login? |
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| 02:09.59 | greycat | rkingle: exec su - $LOGNAME |
| 02:10.06 | mhall | greycat: hehe |
| 02:10.15 | UdontKnow | greycat: heh |
| 02:10.20 | rkingle | greycat: of course! or, if that didn't work, i could've just ssh'd into my own box. thanks. |
| 02:10.23 | UdontKnow | oi there |
| 02:10.23 | greycat | rkingle: of course that only works on a shell by shell basis |
| 02:10.33 | litage | do scripts in /etc/init.d/ need to be chmod'd 755, or can they be 750 or even 700? |
| 02:10.39 | travisat | ssh 127.0.0.1 is fun |
| 02:10.40 | greycat | rkingle: if you need your WM to have new group privileges, better start a new X session |
| 02:10.41 | mhall | rkingle: You asked, and he did give you a working answer. |
| 02:10.56 | greycat | litage: what are you hiding? |
| 02:11.06 | litage | greycat: my dignity =P |
| 02:11.08 | GullyFoyle | okay n00b question, how do i stop X so i can install my nvidia drivers? don't say ctrl-alt-bkspc cuz that just brings me back to my gdm login screen and ctrl-alt F* to different terminal doesnt kill X it's still running |
| 02:11.15 | greycat | litage: if it's a password, the password should be in a 600 file that's sourced by the script |
| 02:11.22 | dondelelcaro | GullyFoyle: just /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 02:11.28 | travisat | killall gdm/kdm/xdm works too |
| 02:11.40 | greycat | so does dpkg --purge kdm gdm xdm |
| 02:11.43 | GullyFoyle | dondelelcaro, thx i'll try it |
| 02:11.46 | rkingle | mhall: i apologize - my tone is confused by irc, i apologize greycat, too.. i meant it like "d'oh! *smacking head*... of course... that's so obvious, but i didn't think of it" |
| 02:11.47 | mhall | GullyFoyle: call the proper init script |
| 02:11.55 | greycat | or even better, apt-get --purge remove gdm kdm xdm |
| 02:11.56 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 02:12.00 | mhall | rkingle: alright, just checking ;-) |
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| 02:12.05 | greycat | rkingle: I understood. |
| 02:12.17 | travisat | greycat: somebody might try that |
| 02:12.21 | mhall | i used to get annoyed by greycat answers but now i think they are hilarious |
| 02:12.23 | greycat | GullyFoyle: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 02:12.24 | dondelelcaro | or better... apt-get --purge remove gdm kdm xdm libgnome* kdelibs; |
| 02:12.31 | greycat | because I sense that you may be doing it WRONG. |
| 02:12.39 | travisat | or apt-get --purge remove * |
| 02:12.46 | travisat | or rm -rf / |
| 02:12.52 | thingfish | hey |
| 02:12.57 | mhall | travisat: in solaris they disabled rm -rf / |
| 02:13.03 | mhall | travisat: and they claim it's good |
| 02:13.05 | greycat | good thing this isn't solaris |
| 02:13.08 | travisat | do we use solaris here? |
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| 02:13.13 | twobitsprit1 | I see to remember being able to have linux turn on the num-lock at boot... any suggestions? |
| 02:13.15 | mhall | but if you are dumb enough to type it, you deserve what you get |
| 02:13.22 | mhall | twobitsprit1: bios can do it |
| 02:13.27 | mhall | twobitsprit1: usually |
| 02:13.32 | greycat | mhall: yet another reason for people not to IRC as root. |
| 02:13.47 | twobitsprit1 | mhall: didn't even think of that... :P |
| 02:14.03 | dondelelcaro | mhall: the real problem is when it gets invoked accidentally |
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| 02:14.08 | travisat | linux can't turn anything on at boot. |
| 02:14.14 | greycat | dondelelcaro: or by a cracker. |
| 02:14.18 | mhall | travisat: except your mom |
| 02:14.20 | litage | greycat: thanks |
| 02:14.22 | dondelelcaro | mhall: the classical case being rm -rf $foo/$bar; |
| 02:14.29 | mhall | dondelelcaro: hehe |
| 02:14.30 | dondelelcaro | (or some variant thereof) |
| 02:14.34 | greycat | !break |
| 02:14.34 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 02:14.40 | travisat | mhall: grub turns your mom on |
| 02:14.43 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 155873 |
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| 02:14.46 | greycat | !dbugs 155873 |
| 02:14.47 | dpkg | #155873:N[lg-all] Dangerious Error in lg-all Package Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:48:05 UTC.</div><h3>Found in version 81 |
| 02:15.11 | dondelelcaro | the done parsing is broken currently... |
| 02:15.19 | greycat | just a bit. |
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| 02:15.53 | mhall | dondelelcaro: my personal favorite is rm -r foo * |
| 02:16.01 | mhall | dondelelcaro: as opposed to foo* |
| 02:16.09 | greycat | or rm * .bak |
| 02:16.31 | Caelum | haha, does that actually happen? |
| 02:16.33 | lakcaj | or rm .* to get rid of all those pesky hidden files |
| 02:16.34 | mhall | greycat: and then once you get .bak: file not found |
| 02:16.37 | greycat | Caelum: yeas |
| 02:16.40 | lakcaj | rm .* -rfv |
| 02:16.41 | Caelum | wow |
| 02:16.44 | mhall | greycat: you turn white |
| 02:16.48 | FieldySnuts | rm -rf .* (don't do that) |
| 02:16.54 | FieldySnuts | includes .. of course. |
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| 02:17.09 | mhall | FieldySnuts: i did that once i think but i don't think it deleted up above |
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| 02:17.11 | Caelum | ouch |
| 02:17.15 | greycat | tab completion helps in many of these cases |
| 02:17.22 | mhall | FieldySnuts: i think maybe .. is not considered for that expansion |
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| 02:17.44 | greycat | NEVER type "rm blahblah*" when you can type "rm blahblah<TAB>" instead. |
| 02:17.58 | mhall | greycat: agreed 100* |
| 02:17.58 | greycat | mhall: you think incorrectly. |
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| 02:18.15 | mhall | greycat: i will keep it in mind |
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| 02:18.33 | mhall | greycat: but i used to do rm -r .* to clear out a homedir and i never recall corrupting anything |
| 02:18.45 | mhall | greycat: but this was back in 1998 when i started out on uni |
| 02:18.46 | greycat | mhall: *shudder* |
| 02:18.48 | mhall | greycat: unix |
| 02:18.48 | travisat | I once had a file named * |
| 02:18.54 | greycat | travisat: those are fun. |
| 02:19.05 | FieldySnuts | or a file named ". " |
| 02:19.11 | mhall | greycat: nowadays i would use a for loop with rm -i |
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| 02:19.24 | mhall | greycat: and only remove what i absolutely needed to remove, etc. |
| 02:19.28 | mhall | or i'd use find |
| 02:19.33 | greycat | find is good. |
| 02:19.35 | mhall | it's generally saer |
| 02:19.39 | mhall | safer* |
| 02:19.41 | twobitsprit1 | ok, for some reason dpkg isn't responding to my msgs... can someone tell me what "/msg dpkg xorg sarge" says? |
| 02:19.52 | travisat | !xorg sarge |
| 02:19.52 | dpkg | [xorg sarge] http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 02:19.53 | FieldySnuts | nothing, apparently |
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| 02:20.17 | twobitsprit1 | right on, thanks |
| 02:20.24 | exobyte | any rs232 experts around? |
| 02:20.27 | twobitsprit1 | has anyone tried this successfully? |
| 02:20.33 | FieldySnuts | experts are generally paid and not on IRC |
| 02:20.44 | greycat | twobitsprit1: no, we just have it as a factoid because 1 million marmosets came up with it. |
| 02:20.45 | VoX | hey, i'm going to change cpu's and mobo's from an amd sempron to an athlon64. I'm planning on using the sarge-netinst cd. Is this the best method to use? |
| 02:21.11 | FieldySnuts | yay. install 32 bit on 64 bit. way to waste hardware |
| 02:21.14 | dondelelcaro | the marmosets have been taking over from the badgers |
| 02:21.15 | greycat | twobitsprit1: and they forced me to /topic it, at claw-point. |
| 02:21.24 | FieldySnuts | no not the badgers :( |
| 02:21.35 | mhall | FieldySnuts: there is a 64-bit sarge net install iso |
| 02:21.37 | greycat | well, "million monkeys" was overused. |
| 02:21.42 | mhall | FieldySnuts: i used it to get my Turion laptop going |
| 02:21.49 | mhall | greycat: to topic which? |
| 02:21.51 | FieldySnuts | @medal mhall |
| 02:21.53 | greycat | by the way, if your client can't /msg dpkg, FUCKING DROP IT. |
| 02:22.00 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 02:22.02 | twobitsprit1 | greycat: yeah, and you also put "use at your own risk" so I was thinking it was expected/known to break on certain configurations or something |
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| 02:22.29 | mhall | twobitsprit1: i think they mean back up x-related shit since it's a hack |
| 02:22.29 | VoX | FieldySnuts: let me rephrase that. i'm planing on using the amd64-sarge-netinst cd :) |
| 02:22.31 | greycat | it's not an official debian package, so it did not get sarge's rigorous testing, and it's not subject to the security team's coverage. |
| 02:22.35 | twobitsprit1 | greycat: thanks, I'll do that as soon as I get my linux box set up and I can "FUCKING DROP" my windows box... |
| 02:22.39 | mhall | twobitsprit1: and it's conceivable something could malfunction |
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| 02:24.12 | SimonRaven | connection reset by peer due to lack of neural activity |
| 02:24.19 | mhall | SimonRaven: ;-) |
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| 02:24.31 | SimonRaven | *grin* |
| 02:24.38 | greycat | SimonRaven: if that happened in real life, I'd never have to type all caps. |
| 02:24.50 | SimonRaven | yah i know what you mean |
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| 02:25.14 | Destroyer661 | can anyone help with configuration problems :( |
| 02:25.21 | Reilithion | Yay! K3b is working with it! huzzah! |
| 02:25.34 | Destroyer661 | http://pastebin.com/351569 <- my config.. i can't figure out what confdefs.h is? |
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| 02:25.57 | greycat | ok, that's my cue to get the fuck out. |
| 02:26.10 | FieldySnuts | what was |
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| 02:26.12 | nekron- | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.13 | nekron- | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.17 | SimonRaven | i need to get some cd-rs. i think i got a real mmc burner this time, that works, this time, too ;). but no $$ to get cd-rs, so gotta wait til tomorrow |
| 02:26.24 | nekron- | how not configured? |
| 02:26.31 | mhall | SimonRaven: oh the irony of it all |
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| 02:26.41 | mhall | SimonRaven: wtf was up with your last burner |
| 02:26.43 | SimonRaven | just need to run dpkg --configure libpango1.0-0 |
| 02:26.46 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: reload |
| 02:26.47 | dpkg | reloading... |
| 02:26.47 | dpkg | reloaded: |
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| 02:26.54 | Jondo | How can I set KDM/GDM/XDM to not start automatically when I boot? |
| 02:27.02 | mhall | SimonRaven: and can you pawn it off on an uninformed windows user via ebay / craigslist |
| 02:27.10 | SimonRaven | mhall: it was old, non-mmc, and fucked (probably lens), so i didn't actually get to burn anything =) |
| 02:27.24 | SimonRaven | it's already gone |
| 02:27.39 | mhall | SimonRaven: where did you even find the damn thing |
| 02:27.45 | mhall | SimonRaven: that'd have to be vintage 1995 |
| 02:27.53 | SimonRaven | garbage. it was to test mostly |
| 02:28.03 | Destroyer661 | anyone know whats wrong here? |
| 02:28.03 | Destroyer661 | # |
| 02:28.03 | Destroyer661 | /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory |
| 02:28.03 | Destroyer661 | # |
| 02:28.03 | Destroyer661 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 02:28.22 | lunaphyte | why would 2 sata drives show up independently to debian even through i created a raid set in bios? |
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| 02:28.29 | SimonRaven | no, since you got kicked out for flooding |
| 02:28.32 | Destroyer661 | shit flood sorryies |
| 02:28.38 | Destroyer661 | ok |
| 02:28.41 | Destroyer661 | thanks =) |
| 02:28.43 | SimonRaven | yeh, exacly. shit flood |
| 02:28.44 | Destroyer661 | have a nice day.. |
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| 02:28.50 | Guerin | !moronspeak |
| 02:28.50 | dpkg | FUKN SPEK PRPLY U FKN M0R0NZ!!!!11 See <sms-over-irc> <ne1> <lol> <2> <u> <r> <k>, or see http://www.hohto.to/forums/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=17720. Adding -ies, -rama or any other puerile suffix to words also qualifies, and will entitle you to a free glass of shut the fuck up. |
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| 02:29.29 | Jondo | Can anyone please tell me how I can disable a service from running in the default init level? |
| 02:29.44 | Guerin | !services |
| 02:29.44 | dpkg | methinks services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ |
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| 02:30.01 | Jondo | thanks |
| 02:30.05 | travisat | It would appear that those xorg packages work. I just switched |
| 02:30.07 | foureyes779 | ok, is it !*!@ipaddress or !*!@ipaddress to ignore an IP address ? |
| 02:30.20 | travisat | And EVERYTHING LOOKS THE SAME. figure that |
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| 02:31.17 | karsten | Anyone seeing gnome problems, eg: gnome-control-panel failing to start? |
| 02:31.22 | foureyes779 | damn spammers |
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| 02:31.30 | karsten | s/panel/center/ |
| 02:31.37 | karsten | (gnome-control-center:4087): libgnomevfs-CRITICAL **: gnome_vfs_uri_append_string: assertion `uri != NULL' failed |
| 02:31.38 | coywolf | in tcsh, how to do 2>/dev/null like in bash? |
| 02:31.49 | FieldySnuts | ask #tsch ? |
| 02:32.11 | foureyes779 | is IRC really getting so popular that now theyre spamming here too ???? |
| 02:32.16 | karsten | coywolf: Use bash. |
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| 02:32.23 | FieldySnuts | where have you been? irc has been used for spam for YEARS |
| 02:32.25 | karsten | coywolf: t/csh redirection is b0rken. |
| 02:32.42 | foureyes779 | FieldySnuts: apparently in the wrong channels |
| 02:32.55 | coywolf | karsten, oh, really? |
| 02:32.59 | foureyes779 | heh |
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| 02:33.11 | coywolf | karsten, csh can't redirect? |
| 02:33.17 | karsten | coywolf: google csh programming considered harmful |
| 02:33.22 | karsten | coywolf: It can. It's broken. |
| 02:33.22 | foureyes779 | been hit 5 times in the last 10 minutes |
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| 02:33.29 | SimonRaven | mhall: the latest crap from spammers here is idjits faking my MTA's FQDNs and sending spam to them. *STOO-PIIID* |
| 02:33.32 | karsten | foureyes779: /umode +E |
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| 02:34.08 | lunaphyte | hmm.. many people seem to prefer software raid over bios raid. anyone feel opinionated right now? |
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| 02:34.33 | Roots | I like the raid that kills roaches in my kitchen the best |
| 02:34.35 | FieldySnuts | they both suck, full hardware or give up |
| 02:34.48 | foureyes779 | karsten: tnx |
| 02:35.00 | karsten | lunaphyte: Most of us do. |
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| 02:35.05 | foureyes779 | i tried banning the IP it was coming from |
| 02:35.07 | lunaphyte | FieldySnuts: seriously? more trouble than it's worth? |
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| 02:35.11 | karsten | lunaphyte: You can fix software raid. |
| 02:35.44 | lunaphyte | karsten: would you mind elaborating a bit? |
| 02:35.44 | foureyes779 | bah |
| 02:35.49 | karsten | lunaphyte: Saw an interesting essay recently on why HW raid almost always sucks. |
| 02:35.55 | SimonRaven | another one bites the k- |
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| 02:36.08 | karsten | lunaphyte: Has to do with the usage volumes and debug cycles involved. |
| 02:36.31 | karsten | lunaphyte: GIYF, I can't search for it now. Logic was moderately compelling. |
| 02:36.41 | lunaphyte | i just want to raid1 2 drives - nothing fancy |
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| 02:37.22 | SimonRaven | i'm using raid1 on 2 drives. s/w. works ok. little crap overhead, and they work fine |
| 02:37.35 | karsten | lunaphyte: Linux kernel raid is generally recommended by those I know. |
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| 02:38.08 | karsten | lunaphyte: You *may* be able to get better performance in high-end hardware, but you'll pay through the nose. HW raid you _can_ afford will very likely be significantly worse and/or buggier. |
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| 02:38.15 | karsten | lunaphyte: ... or so the theory goes. |
| 02:38.22 | SimonRaven | yeh, likely crap. |
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| 02:38.44 | SimonRaven | if h/w go all the way and get a good card |
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| 02:38.59 | SimonRaven | otherwise stick to s/w |
| 02:39.00 | lunaphyte | it isn't a very busy machine, so there's room for performance overhead. |
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| 02:39.20 | SimonRaven | this one is, and i don't see much of an impact |
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| 02:39.38 | SimonRaven | (well, they're 10 000 rpm too ;) |
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| 02:40.23 | lunaphyte | that's what you get when you cross breed a router and a hard drive. :) |
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| 02:41.44 | lunaphyte | how about the concept of a true sata hot-swap in a raid 1 array? can the kernel raid accommodate that? |
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| 02:42.28 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 155873 |
| 02:42.32 | dpkg | DONE:#155873:N[lg-all] Dangerious Error in lg-all Package; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:48:05 UTC |
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| 02:46.58 | elkid | where these bots come from |
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| 02:47.25 | cheal | who's responsible for the debhelper bot? |
| 02:47.29 | dondelelcaro | from botwana, where else? |
| 02:47.35 | dondelelcaro | cheal: ? |
| 02:47.36 | cheal | hell? |
| 02:47.37 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 02:47.45 | lunaphyte | thanks all for the opinions |
| 02:47.57 | lunaphyte | goodnight |
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| 02:48.34 | cheal | dondelelcaro: will that be you as usual? I'm asking because I wonder how it works...or what it is |
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| 02:49.08 | Stucked | When i run pimpd as root from inetd.conf it works, when i run it as nobody, i get "ERROR : UNKNOWN-ERROR" , any one can help or know why ? |
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| 02:49.40 | SimonRaven | cheal: eggdrop |
| 02:49.42 | dondelelcaro | cheal: it's just an eggdrop bot with a few scripts, that's it. |
| 02:49.44 | GullyFoyle | i'm trying to install kernel headers and apt asks for my cdrom, but i did a netinstall. can't it get them from a repository? |
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| 02:50.09 | litage | if running debian on a hyperthreaded P4 or Xeon, do you need to enable SMP or HT in the kernel to benefit from hyperthreading? |
| 02:50.17 | cheal | SimonRaven/dondelelcaro: ok, just never heard about it. thanks |
| 02:50.17 | dondelelcaro | GullyFoyle: sure, you just happen to have a cdrom listed; if you don't want to use the cdrom, edit your sources.list to remove them. |
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| 02:50.49 | GullyFoyle | dodochin, ok i'll # it out |
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| 02:51.33 | dondelelcaro | cheal: it's primarily purpose is to remove flooders and to protect the channel from flood attacks; that's really all it does |
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| 02:52.03 | cheal | dondelelcaro: I understood that, I already checked the package description |
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| 02:53.05 | cheal | I was asking because earlier today there was pretty big abuse from a user about 10 mins here before it was klined and I wondered how much reliable debhelper could be expected to be |
| 02:53.10 | Stucked | When i run pimpd as root from inetd.conf it works, when i run it as nobody, i get "ERROR : UNKNOWN-ERROR" , any one can help or know why ? |
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| 02:53.45 | cheal | I had already heard the term eggdrop before, but I didn't know debhelper was one |
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| 02:54.36 | mike_ | hi, im just wondering if there is any software that can provide instant messenging over the network |
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| 02:54.47 | cheal | dpkg: debhelper is also #debian's eggdrop bot |
| 02:54.47 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 02:54.47 | twobitsprit1 | ok, I've googled and can't find anything... I just installd gpm, and even restarted, but when I move the mouse is does random things, like stick the cursor in the corner and select things, etc... man gpm wasn't very helpful either... |
| 02:54.58 | nvz | cheal: indeed |
| 02:55.13 | nvz | cheal: they are nice to have around |
| 02:55.21 | cheal | mike_: what do you mean? are you looking for clients or servers? |
| 02:55.36 | mike_ | cheal: like client to client |
| 02:55.40 | nvz | cheal: it can do the job of 100 ops otherwise preoccupide |
| 02:55.48 | mwilson | twobitsprit1: Yes, you're running X? |
| 02:55.50 | nvz | s/de/ed/ |
| 02:55.55 | twobitsprit1 | mwilson: nope... |
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| 02:56.05 | twobitsprit1 | mwilson: this is in console |
| 02:56.06 | cheal | nvz: nicely backs up ops indeed. but debhelper was really unhelpful earlier |
| 02:56.31 | mike_ | cheal: it could use a server... i don't mind but it would be better if it was client to client |
| 02:56.37 | cheal | damn english. s/unhelpful/not helpful |
| 02:56.42 | mike_ | and i don't want something as big as an irc server or something |
| 02:56.51 | nvz | when? while I was out in the yard getting smashed with the neighbors? |
| 02:57.08 | mwilson | twobitsprit1: Yes, I know what gpm is. Is X also running, on another VT? |
| 02:57.09 | nvz | heh |
| 02:57.17 | cheal | mike_: hum, like peer to peer IM? perhaps linpopup? |
| 02:57.37 | twobitsprit1 | mwilson: that's what I meant... X is not running, I'm only in console... fresh base installation of Sarge without X |
| 02:57.43 | mike_ | doesn't that use samba? |
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| 02:58.01 | nvz | I need to fix this damn thing I need two crossovers like yesturday |
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| 02:58.12 | cheal | mike_: according to package description. that was a huge guess, I never used linpopup. probably better forget it |
| 02:58.23 | mwilson | nvz: I've learned... always have crossover cables. |
| 02:58.30 | twobitsprit1 | nvz: groonulate...? |
| 02:58.47 | mike_ | what does everyone else use? |
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| 02:58.57 | nvz | twobitsprit1: no goonulate. it meens to look over, size up, inspect, or examine |
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| 02:59.10 | twobitsprit1 | nvz: ok, misread... :P |
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| 02:59.39 | twobitsprit1 | mwilson: so, any idea as to why gpm is acting wacky? |
| 02:59.59 | mwilson | twobitsprit1: <shrug> It's not configured properly. |
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| 03:00.17 | twobitsprit1 | mwilson: where would I go to find some hints on configuring it? |
| 03:00.19 | nvz | mwilson: yeah well in case you never heard it, my philosopy is dont spend money on the shit unless it makes you money.. everything I got in these two boxes of wires and these 5 pcs was given to me for free. I got two rj45 couplers so they are trying to become my crossovers |
| 03:00.22 | bsims | how do I set how long the [#Channel_name] display is in Irssi? |
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| 03:00.58 | nvz | mwilson: however the bottom 4 pins are shorter than the top 4, so when I crossed them 4 and 8 became to short to fit in the slots and I am afraid to use it this way.. trying to come up with a solution |
| 03:01.13 | twobitsprit1 | mwilson: like I said, fresh install... just did "apt-get install gpm"... "man gpm" doesn't talk about any commandline options or configuration files that seemed very useful |
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| 03:01.31 | mwilson | twobitsprit1: gpm has documentation for a reason. |
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| 03:02.02 | mwilson | twobitsprit1: *I* certainly have no reason to memorize it... that's what it's there for. |
| 03:02.03 | sjeal | hi, what's the command to reconfig the locales? |
| 03:02.14 | cheal | sjeal: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 03:02.21 | mwilson | "reconfig the locales"? |
| 03:02.22 | sjeal | cheal, thks. |
| 03:02.31 | dumezil | in apache conf, how can i make a 'catch-all' virtual host? like i want mail.any domain i host.com to go to the same virtualhost |
| 03:02.41 | Stucked | When i run pimpd as root from inetd.conf it works, when i run it as nobody, i get "ERROR : UNKNOWN-ERROR" , any one can help or know why ? |
| 03:03.07 | sjeal | is gpm necessary for mouse device? any advantage in adding it in? |
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| 03:03.38 | nvz | well I lost my damn thumbdriver.. so I am taking 5 to sober up a little before I break something :P |
| 03:04.19 | Dewi | there are many non-debian apt repositories around. If I add one wishing to get a few packages debian doesn't have, how can I stop it from "overriding" the debian repos? |
| 03:04.24 | mwilson | sjeal: It's necessary if you want to use the mouse without X being involved. |
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| 03:04.49 | dondelelcaro | dumezil: best method is to write a rewrite rule that sends a redirect to the appropriate domain name. |
| 03:04.51 | Dewi | is there a way I can specify that an apt source is only to be used where a debian repo doesn't include a package? |
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| 03:05.20 | dumezil | donelelcaro: can you give me some more info? i understand what you mean, but i don't know how to implement it |
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| 03:05.32 | fando | i'm trying to compile a kernel with the latest gcc (4.0) with make-kpgk, but the compile exits with ERRORs |
| 03:05.47 | mwilson | fando: So don't use GCC 4.x |
| 03:05.47 | fando | whta gcc should I be using for the stock debian kernels? |
| 03:06.03 | sjeal | mwilson, is there such a situation, i thought X is very much a part of Linux. |
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| 03:06.12 | mwilson | sjeal: Uh, hardly. |
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| 03:06.39 | dondelelcaro | dumezil: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/misc/rewriteguide.html gives an example of how to rewrite to a canonical hostname |
| 03:06.45 | cheal | fando: which kernel? |
| 03:06.56 | fando | 2.6.11 |
| 03:06.59 | fando | i'm on a thinkpad |
| 03:07.17 | fando | it's the debian patched one, kernel-source |
| 03:07.19 | mwilson | 2.6.11 isn't going to build with gcc 4.x |
| 03:07.31 | fando | ok, so I should try 3.latest |
| 03:07.33 | mwilson | Unless Debian *really* fixed it up. |
| 03:07.39 | dumezil | donelelcaro: thanks |
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| 03:07.55 | mwilson | fando: <shrug> Why do you need to build a kernel? |
| 03:08.22 | fando | I need the acpi modules, and I'd like to turn off some things and enable others |
| 03:08.24 | cheal | fando: gcc3 or maybe even 2 |
| 03:08.44 | fando | but haven't had to reinstall for 5 thanks to debian |
| 03:08.52 | mwilson | fando: What Debian kernel doesn't build ACPI, and what is it that you think you need to turn off? |
| 03:09.18 | mwilson | You're not going to convince me that a Debian kernel doesn't already have just about everything of significance turned on. |
| 03:09.18 | fando | I'd like to install the thinkpad-specific modules |
| 03:09.33 | mwilson | Then do so. What does that have to do with building a kernel? |
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| 03:09.38 | fando | there were a couple, and migh as well compile a new one |
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| 03:09.54 | fando | mwilson, I compile kernels all the time, no harm in doing it :) |
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| 03:10.02 | cheal | Dewi: I suppose APT pinning would let you do that |
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| 03:10.39 | mwilson | No harm, but is there a reason to? |
| 03:10.49 | travisat | I compile kernels for fun |
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| 03:11.06 | fando | mwilson, well there is one thing.. according to the acpi docs , acpi options for the thinkpad have been added recently |
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| 03:11.29 | mwilson | fando: Then why wouldn't you be building 2.6.13, rather than 2.6.11? |
| 03:11.37 | JaneLame | hi. i have an irrelebant question. how do i set up a vhost? i know my shell account provides 3 of those. |
| 03:11.44 | mwilson | 2.6.11 isn't what I would call "recent". |
| 03:11.47 | fando | mwilson, 2.6.11 was the latest result returned by apt-cache |
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| 03:12.16 | fando | mwilson, well recen to me is like an year :) |
| 03:12.23 | anapivirtua | :) |
| 03:12.24 | anapivirtua | lo all |
| 03:13.25 | fando | mwilson, there's also one other reason, I'm optimizing this computer for development |
| 03:13.33 | mypapit | mwilson, what would you expect from a recent kernel 2.6.13? |
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| 03:14.35 | Dewi | anyone know why freenx isn't included in debian? |
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| 03:15.02 | Seb | is there a way for a linux box to resolve WINS name directly, like by adding somehting to resolv.conf? |
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| 03:15.07 | xhypno | Hey all |
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| 03:15.32 | darkness1 | Hi, two questions. First can you stop shell users on your box from editing .bash_history file? |
| 03:15.47 | Dewi | Seb: that used to 'just happen' when I set up samba |
| 03:16.00 | Dewi | Seb: I don't really know the technicalities |
| 03:16.02 | zkchong | hello, I can't find apm in my debian. And, I am using AMD Sempron M 3000+ in my laptop now. Any suggestion what should I do? |
| 03:16.04 | Guerin | darkness1: no |
| 03:16.15 | Seb | Dewi: i doubt firefox, say, would somehow use samba to resolve WINS names |
| 03:16.17 | zkchong | hello, I can't find apm in my debian. And, I am using AMD Sempron M 3000+ in my laptop now. Any suggestion what should I do? |
| 03:17.03 | darkness1 | Secondly, i lost my internet conenction last night and somehow sarge went back to woody and i had to log is as root.Today i got my connection back logged in as root under woody, changed my user passwd and logged back in as user darkness and sarge was restored? |
| 03:17.07 | darkness1 | wtf? |
| 03:17.13 | travisat | zkchong: your computer probably uses acpi |
| 03:17.16 | Dewi | Seb: well it worked for "ping" |
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| 03:17.18 | Guerin | darkness1: you are confused |
| 03:17.25 | Seb | zkchong: apt-get install apmd ? |
| 03:17.30 | Guerin | darkness1: sarge cannot 'go back to woody' spontaneously |
| 03:17.33 | Seb | Dewi: huh... |
| 03:17.35 | Dewi | Seb: I think samba integrates into the resolve chain |
| 03:17.39 | Dewi | Seb: in some way |
| 03:17.44 | Seb | Dewi: hrm |
| 03:17.54 | Dewi | I don't know any more |
| 03:18.19 | Dewi | it doesn't work on my current system, but then again, I don't have samba *serving* anything here |
| 03:18.50 | darkness1 | Guerin: It did as when i booted up mozilla all my bookmarks had gone alla woody and the front screen is lined and not plain grey alla sarge. |
| 03:18.50 | zkchong | seb, I got this error : debian:/home/zkchong# modprobe acpi |
| 03:18.52 | zkchong | FATAL: Error inserting acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi.ko): No such device |
| 03:19.19 | zkchong | Seb, may I know what had happen to the kernel? |
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| 03:19.27 | Guerin | darkness1: do you have woody installed in a chroot or something? |
| 03:19.28 | Seb | wow |
| 03:19.43 | Seb | zkchong: i told you to apt-get install apmd, not to modprobe acpi, though... |
| 03:20.06 | travisat | and I told you that it probably used acpi, since it is probably a newer computer. |
| 03:20.15 | mwilson | mypapit: What would I "expect" from it? Huh? I don't version-chase kernels... I have far, far, far better things to do. Like sleep. |
| 03:20.15 | zkchong | sorry seb ^^ |
| 03:20.16 | travisat | however apmd never hurts |
| 03:20.26 | zkchong | seb, i got this again : debian:/home/zkchong# apmd |
| 03:20.28 | zkchong | No APM support in kernel |
| 03:20.32 | darkness1 | Guerin: I wouldn't know how to check. I just edited the files to upgrade to sarge. |
| 03:20.34 | mypapit | mwilson, then 2.6.11 is fine for you.. |
| 03:20.49 | Guerin | darkness1: are you sure it finished? |
| 03:20.49 | zkchong | I think I have install apmd already. |
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| 03:21.36 | mwilson | mypapit: Uh, why are you making statements about what kernel might and might not be "fine" for me? I've not built a kernel in at least a couple of months. Maybe longer. |
| 03:21.36 | darkness1 | Guerin: I've been using sarge for about 4months now.And installed things like sshd and an ircd etc. |
| 03:22.03 | mypapit | mwilson 2.6.11 isn't what I would call "recent". |
| 03:22.03 | mypapit | fando mwilson, 2.6.11 was the latest result returned by apt-cache |
| 03:22.10 | zkchong | Seb, should I compile the kernel myself?? But I think it will quit trivial to do so. |
| 03:22.27 | mwilson | mypapit: Yes, now we know you can paste. So? |
| 03:22.48 | mwilson | mypapit: I think you have the signs backwards. |
| 03:22.53 | mypapit | mwilson, we also know you can argue.. so there.. |
| 03:23.26 | mypapit | rotfl |
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| 03:23.44 | mwilson | Ah, /ignore |
| 03:23.45 | Seb | seriously, anyone ? |
| 03:24.08 | zkchong | :)) sorry, "it will be quite trivial" ... |
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| 03:24.26 | Seb | !dict trivial |
| 03:24.27 | dpkg | Dictionary 'trivial' (5 of 7): 2. Ordinary; commonplace; trifling; vulgar. ;; The trivial round, the common task. --Keble. ;; 4. Of or pertaining to the trivium. ;; As a scholar, meantime, he was trivial, and incapable of labor. --De Quincey. ;; 3. Of little worth or importance; inconsiderable; trifling; petty; paltry; as, a trivial subject or affair.. |
| 03:24.34 | mwilson | Dewi: It didn't, and it doesn't. |
| 03:24.59 | zkchong | ^^ |
| 03:25.22 | zkchong | anyone can help me with the apm or acpi ? |
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| 03:26.45 | chaim79 | can anyone answer a quick question about apt-get? |
| 03:26.53 | mwilson | Only if you ask it. |
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| 03:26.58 | visible | <visible> #diablo2 go all |
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| 03:27.00 | chaim79 | that works... |
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| 03:27.27 | chaim79 | I downloaded the file to install Opera but can't get apt-get to install it, what am I doing wrong? |
| 03:27.48 | mwilson | Nothing. That's not what apt-get does. man apt-get to learn what it does. |
| 03:28.11 | mwilson | man dpkg to learn how to install random packages you download. |
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| 03:28.40 | chaim79 | so what I am doing wrong is trying to use the wrong program for installing... |
| 03:28.46 | chaim79 | thanks. |
| 03:29.55 | Caelum | is this the right syntax to listen on port 5000 of a specific interface with nc: nc -l -p 5000 -s 169.254.0.1 |
| 03:29.58 | BhaalWK | chaim79: You would be looking for dpkg |
| 03:31.47 | chaim79 | Thanks all y'all! got it installed! |
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| 03:34.12 | zkchong | my acpi doesn't work well. Anyone can tell me what to so ? FATAL: Error inserting acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi.ko): No such device |
| 03:34.21 | Caelum | yeah it is, nm |
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| 03:34.53 | Caelum | zkchong: is apm loaded? |
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| 03:36.41 | zkchong | caelum , how to check? |
| 03:36.49 | Caelum | lsmod |
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| 03:37.19 | Dewi | anyone know why freenx isn't included in debian? |
| 03:37.29 | zkchong | I think it is not loaded. |
| 03:37.33 | mike_ | Dewi: is that nomachine? |
| 03:37.40 | zkchong | Can't find it in the list. |
| 03:37.44 | Dewi | mike_: the free daemon running on nomachine libs |
| 03:37.55 | mwilson | Dewi: Is there some reason why it should be? |
| 03:38.06 | mike_ | Dewi: cool, i've been meaning to look into nomachine, didn't know there was a free version |
| 03:38.36 | Dewi | mwilson: that's an odd kind of question. Yeah, because it would possibly be handy for remoting. |
| 03:38.50 | zkchong | Caelum, what should I do now? |
| 03:38.55 | Dewi | mwilson: my experiences with VNC haven't been particularly positive - NX sounds like it might perform better |
| 03:39.01 | Caelum | zkchong: oh oops, that's only for cpu frequency control via acpi |
| 03:39.19 | Caelum | zkchong: if your kernel is built with acpi, it will be used by default |
| 03:39.32 | Dewi | mwilson: knoppix apparently has it |
| 03:39.34 | mike_ | VNC is a little slow, even at a very low colour depth |
| 03:39.42 | mike_ | even RDP is better in my eyes |
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| 03:39.57 | mike_ | X is better still :) |
| 03:39.58 | Dewi | mike_: "even RDP". rdp is the best there is, by a factor of about 5 |
| 03:40.00 | zkchong | caelum, so, that means, I dont have acpi build in in my kernel ?? and, so should u recompile my kernel??? |
| 03:40.08 | zkchong | caelum, so, that means, I dont have acpi build in in my kernel ?? and, so should I recompile my kernel??? |
| 03:40.08 | lakcaj | Dewi, you could try this: deb http://kanotix.com/files/debian/ ./ |
| 03:40.10 | Dewi | mike_: and naked X is the worst I've ever tried |
| 03:40.22 | Dewi | lakcaj: thanks, but that needs an unDstable libc |
| 03:40.28 | lakcaj | Dewi, ok |
| 03:40.33 | Dewi | lakcaj: (I have etch) |
| 03:40.35 | mike_ | Dewi: i've always found X to be faster, if harder to use. but i'll try freenx |
| 03:40.50 | Caelum | zkchong: grep ACPI /var/log/kern.log |
| 03:41.17 | Caelum | Cygwin X works very well |
| 03:41.40 | paroneayea | does g++/gcc not work out-of-the-box in debian? |
| 03:42.14 | mike_ | Dewi: after reading some about freenx here i'm wondering why it's not in a .deb too |
| 03:42.34 | Dewi | mike_: yeah. It's definitely something I want to try. I guess it's time to build some stuff from source |
| 03:43.08 | mwilson | What does Knoppix having something have to do with anything? |
| 03:43.21 | mike_ | i should really learn how to make .debs |
| 03:43.30 | mike_ | checkinstall does it, i think..? |
| 03:43.50 | mike_ | for a half assed way to do it anyway. |
| 03:44.06 | paroneayea | configure: error: "Could not find gmp library (set CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS?)" |
| 03:44.37 | Dewi | mwilson: well, when I asked about remoting in here earlier, nearly all the recommendations involved either "dropping GUI" or "buying a commercial product" |
| 03:44.47 | Caelum | paroneayea: apt-cache search libgmp |
| 03:45.06 | Dewi | mwilson: so an open-source project good enough to be included in knoppix that fills that niche seems like something debian ought to have - unless of course there's "something bad" about freenx I don't know about |
| 03:45.09 | mwilson | Dewi: Yes, and... |
| 03:45.11 | lakcaj | paroneayea, apt-get install libgmp3-dev??? |
| 03:45.49 | paroneayea | let's see... |
| 03:45.54 | Dewi | mwilson: or shall the recommended solution for fast GUI remoting remain "switch from debian to XP" |
| 03:45.57 | Dewi | ? |
| 03:46.00 | paroneayea | nope, wasn't libgmp3-dev... |
| 03:46.10 | paroneayea | oh wait |
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| 03:46.10 | mwilson | Dewi: What if it is? |
| 03:46.12 | paroneayea | yeah it was |
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| 03:46.27 | foureyes779 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.32 | foureyes779 | hmm |
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| 03:46.53 | Dewi | mwilson: I don't really understand where you're coming from. Is there something in the debian charter that says remoting is really unimportant or something? |
| 03:47.05 | paroneayea | thanks Caelum, lakcaj :) |
| 03:47.14 | mike_ | there's nothing in the charter or anything, it's just not packaged yet |
| 03:47.26 | mike_ | either get on doing it yourself, or look on mailing lists to see who's doing it |
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| 03:47.34 | mike_ | or checkinstall it from source and you're good |
| 03:47.41 | Dewi | mike_: yeah, that's cool |
| 03:47.41 | mwilson | Dewi: No, nor is there something that says people will die if you don't force someone to package it at gunpoint. |
| 03:47.58 | Dewi | hey, guys, don't get me wrong - I'm not whining |
| 03:48.06 | Dewi | I just wanted to know if there was some reason freenx was somehow bad |
| 03:48.14 | mike_ | yeah it's full of demons |
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| 03:48.18 | Dewi | :D |
| 03:48.28 | lakcaj | Dewi, no worries, some people in this channel are lot harder to get along with than others, regardless of what question you ask |
| 03:48.50 | lakcaj | Dewi, don't think you did anything out of the ordinary here |
| 03:48.53 | Dewi | lakcaj: it's funny - if you put niceties around your question you get written off as a newb who can't get to the point |
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| 03:49.20 | Dewi | lakcaj: but if you ask a direct quesiton "why might this not be packaged" people interpret it as some big whine about how package maintainers are lazy or somethging? |
| 03:49.37 | mwilson | Dewi: Since that's what it was, where's the problem? |
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| 03:49.52 | northbayrep | hi, is there a firewall that comes with debian? |
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| 03:50.05 | Dewi | mwilson: the problem is that you answer my question with more questions that are frankly stupid |
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| 03:50.07 | northbayrep | i ask because i've forwarded a port on my router and it still seems blocked. |
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| 03:50.47 | lakcaj | mwilson, it seemed to me like it was more of an observation than a question... ala, "It doesn't make sense that something so useful would not be included in debian when there are many trivial things that are" |
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| 03:51.03 | zkchong | caelum, after i execute the command, I get a list. So, what that means? |
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| 03:51.10 | Thanatermesis | Welcome to Elive world Elive_user2 |
| 03:51.14 | Dewi | mwilson: usually when something isn't packaged in debian there's a "good reason" like a technical compatibility issue, a licensing problem, etc |
| 03:51.19 | Caelum | zkchong: it means you have ACPI in your kernel |
| 03:51.20 | mwilson | lakcaj: Apparently no one agrees with you. |
| 03:51.39 | lakcaj | mwilson, when did you become "everyone"? What an ego! |
| 03:51.43 | mwilson | Dewi: Actually, it's much more likely that simply no one feels the need to package it. |
| 03:51.46 | Caelum | ACPI has been the default in Debian for a few years now probably.... |
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| 03:51.56 | Dewi | mwilson: obviously "not everything" is packaged but most things that get coverage on, say, slashdot and are included in knoppix, you'd normally not see missing unless there was a reason |
| 03:52.27 | mwilson | Why do you keep mentioning Knoppix? How is what Knoppix does or does not do at all relevant to what Debian does or does not do? |
| 03:52.38 | dondelelcaro | 1/away |
| 03:52.40 | mike_ | knoppix is based on debian, fyi |
| 03:52.41 | Dewi | mwilson: it isn't |
| 03:52.56 | zkchong | caelum, but then my notebook can't suspend when I fold the display. |
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| 03:53.04 | Dewi | mwilson: it's an illustration of whether a piece of software is as trivial and useless as you seem to assume |
| 03:53.17 | mike_ | anyway quit trolling, whichever one of you is |
| 03:53.17 | cheal | dondelelcaro: what do you mean? |
| 03:53.20 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: for every package in Debian, a maintainer has to package it; if no one is interested in it, it doesn't get packaged. |
| 03:53.22 | Dewi | mwilson: knoppix is very close to debian |
| 03:53.22 | Caelum | zkchong: it's not that simple |
| 03:53.26 | Dewi | mwilson: as Oses go |
| 03:53.29 | dondelelcaro | cheal: a 1 slipped in to my command line. |
| 03:53.32 | jason^ | is there a guide to get alsa working in 2.6.11? |
| 03:53.35 | mwilson | Dewi: I have no opinion on whether it's trivial, or useless. How could I, I've never used it. |
| 03:53.42 | Caelum | zkchong: see acpi.sf.net |
| 03:53.56 | mwilson | Dewi: Since when is Knoppix "very close to Debian"? |
| 03:54.05 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 03:54.11 | cheal | dondelelcaro: ah, ok :) |
| 03:54.12 | zkchong | ok thanks, caelum |
| 03:54.17 | foureyes779 | isnt Knoppix based on deb ? |
| 03:54.20 | Dewi | mwilson: it's based on debian |
| 03:54.23 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: regardless, if it isn't packaged currently, and you think it should be, file an RFP bug against wnpp asking for it to be packaged. |
| 03:54.27 | Dewi | mwilson: and it's fairly mainsteam |
| 03:54.28 | Dewi | +r |
| 03:54.33 | Caelum | zkchong: if acpi doesn't work out for you, you could try apm. |
| 03:54.34 | mwilson | Based on it doesn't magically make it the same as. |
| 03:54.37 | lakcaj | mwilson, that's funny, since knoppix has " over 9 Gigabytes of live software from Debian, based on Sarge," |
| 03:54.40 | mike_ | mwilson, it's possible to copy a knoppix to your hard drive and turn it into a debian pretty easily via apt. it's close enough |
| 03:54.56 | mike_ | that you'd think they'd simply package freenx for integration into knoppix |
| 03:55.00 | dondelelcaro | in either case, knoppix is totally OT here. |
| 03:55.00 | Dewi | methinks mwilson is interested only in sustaining really tedious conversations |
| 03:55.06 | zkchong | caelum, may I know which is simpler? |
| 03:55.11 | mike_ | :rolleyes: |
| 03:55.30 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: well, I only mentioned it in response to a question asked of me |
| 03:55.33 | mwilson | mike_: Yes, it's possible to take a Knoppix liveCD and create a broken Debian install on your HD. Do we *really* have to continue this? |
| 03:55.48 | mike_ | no |
| 03:55.49 | Dewi | mwilson: if you keep asking *us* questions every time we say something, yeah |
| 03:55.54 | mike_ | hahahaha |
| 03:55.54 | foureyes779 | a Deb hybrid |
| 03:56.05 | Caelum | zkchong: probably apm. Just apt-get install apmd, then put acpi=off in your boot parameters |
| 03:56.10 | northbayrep | by default, does debian install a firewall? |
| 03:56.17 | lakcaj | northbayrep, no |
| 03:56.25 | northbayrep | hmm. ok. |
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| 03:56.31 | dondelelcaro | northbayrep: Debian doesn't install hardly anything by default; if you want one, install one. |
| 03:56.34 | mike_ | northbayrep: you should have the iptables tool, and the iptables modules |
| 03:56.35 | Caelum | zkchong: apm is older, but uses your laptop's BIOS, while ACPI suspend stuff is not really well supported yet |
| 03:56.53 | mike_ | you can build one using those. try bastille to automate it |
| 03:56.55 | northbayrep | i don't want one, because i have my router as a firewall. |
| 03:57.07 | foureyes779 | kinda like what i have on this system |
| 03:57.08 | mike_ | don't worry about it then |
| 03:57.14 | northbayrep | but i suspect that a port i'm forwarding on the router is still being blocked. |
| 03:57.29 | Dewi | northbayrep: "iptables" allows you to add rules if you want to firewall etc, or you can automate with a package, but by default it's very... default. Nothing firewally really. |
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| 03:57.50 | Caelum | northbayrep: easy way to find out, run nc -l -p whatever and telnet to it from the outside |
| 03:57.51 | zkchong | caelum, where can I set my boot patameters? |
| 03:57.51 | lakcaj | northbayrep, nmap 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:57.58 | mike_ | northbayrep: does connecting to that port work from another machine on the same lan |
| 03:58.06 | lakcaj | northbayrep, to see what ports are open, or what Caelum said, there are many ways to do it. |
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| 03:58.21 | Caelum | zkchong: if you use grub, in your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 03:58.24 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 03:58.49 | kreg | i have a questionable ext3 file system. fsck /dev/hda1 -A a sufficient check. not sure what options in the man page would be recommended to repair a partition |
| 03:58.49 | Caelum | zkchong: if you use lilo, in your /etc/lilo.conf (don't forget to rerun lilo when you change that file) |
| 03:58.55 | rkingle | asterisk is some cooool stuff, btw |
| 03:59.01 | northbayrep | the nmap command was not found. |
| 03:59.05 | zkchong | caelum I got this : debian:/home/zkchong# apmd |
| 03:59.06 | zkchong | No APM support in kernel . Does this means I cant use apm now? |
| 03:59.13 | lakcaj | northbayrep, apt-get install nmap |
| 03:59.27 | Caelum | zkchong: you can only use apm if you turn acpi off |
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| 03:59.56 | zkchong | ok thanks |
| 04:00.05 | Caelum | zkchong: note that linux uses acpi for a lot of stuff, so your mileage may vary with acpi=off |
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| 04:00.59 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Hello, how do I install GDM themes from tarball? |
| 04:01.06 | zkchong | ok |
| 04:01.31 | lakcaj | GnomeDesktop1337, extract them in /usr/share/gdm/themes/ |
| 04:01.36 | mike_ | google |
| 04:02.07 | GnomeDesktop1337 | lakcaj: Thank you |
| 04:02.13 | lakcaj | GnomeDesktop1337, then "chown root.root /usr/share/gdm/themes/new_theme -R" and then "chmod a+r /usr/share/gdm/themes/new_theme -R" |
| 04:02.31 | northbayrep | thanks for your help, but it says it's open. which doesn't help the larger problem of why i can't access any mail server. |
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| 04:03.06 | dondelelcaro | northbayrep: are you sure that your provider is letting through traffic on port 25? |
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| 04:03.33 | northbayrep | pretty sure, from the results of some online smtp tests |
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| 04:03.36 | exobyte | Will hostapd work with an atheros card, but non-madwifi drivers? |
| 04:04.03 | dondelelcaro | northbayrep: signs point to no; 25/tcp filtered smtp for toronto-HSE-ppp4310430.sympatico.ca (69.159.33.244) |
| 04:04.26 | northbayrep | is there anything i can do about this? |
| 04:04.34 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Dang, to unbzip2, I do tar -jxvf tarball right? |
| 04:04.39 | dondelelcaro | northbayrep: besides talking to your provider? No, not really. |
| 04:04.53 | dondelelcaro | GnomeDesktop1337: yes; man tar. |
| 04:05.03 | northbayrep | ugh. i already called them and they said that they don't block all access, just foreign access. |
| 04:05.13 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Oh thank you I was planning on reading man pages today. |
| 04:05.19 | dondelelcaro | northbayrep: uh... that's pretty much one and the same thing |
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| 04:05.46 | northbayrep | so how did you check what ports they filter? |
| 04:05.58 | Caelum | alot of ISPs block smtp now because of spammers |
| 04:06.03 | dondelelcaro | northbayrep: with nmap -sS -p 25 -P0 toronto-HSE-ppp4310430.sympatico.ca; from somewhere outside |
| 04:06.29 | northbayrep | so it won't work from here? |
| 04:06.40 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: it may possibly make sense to block outgoing smtp, but not incoming smtp. |
| 04:06.45 | GnomeDesktop1337 | tar -jxvf tarball /directory? |
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| 04:07.01 | dondelelcaro | GnomeDesktop1337: specifying the directory doesn't do what you think it does. |
| 04:07.05 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: stupid people installing linux with sendmail...you get the idea |
| 04:07.08 | dondelelcaro | northbayrep: well, you can figure it out by nmaping someone outside... |
| 04:07.10 | GnomeDesktop1337 | ok |
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| 04:07.16 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Well. |
| 04:07.24 | lakcaj | GnomeDesktop1337, just cd /usr/share/gdm/themes, copy the tarball there, and then tar jxvf theme.tar.bz2 |
| 04:07.26 | Caelum | northbayrep: you can run your mail server on another port |
| 04:07.30 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: sure, but then they get spammed forever; that's not really a big deal for anyone. |
| 04:07.35 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Makes sense. |
| 04:07.42 | [DF2] | could anyone help me with a problem i'm having with pppoeconf ? |
| 04:07.52 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: but then they use the n00bs' linux boxen as spam relays |
| 04:08.01 | Caelum | that's the main problem |
| 04:08.04 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: that's why you block *OUTGOING* smtp |
| 04:08.06 | aldug | how do I bring up the initial configuration screen for exim4 that you first see when you install exim? |
| 04:08.10 | northbayrep | it's not my mail server. |
| 04:08.10 | lakcaj | northbayrep, what about an online portscanner? |
| 04:08.22 | lakcaj | aldug, dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 04:08.26 | northbayrep | i've done that, and now i know for sure it's closed. thanks don. |
| 04:08.54 | aldug | lakcaj: that doesn't do anything |
| 04:09.10 | [DF2] | i'm having some problems with pppoeconf.. after running it it fails..when it tries to get a response for the access concentrator.. |
| 04:09.13 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: except for the ISP's own server? some people might get really confused... although some ISPs do that |
| 04:09.33 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: well, that's the only thing that makes sense; blocking incoming smtp is totally useless. |
| 04:09.34 | lakcaj | aldug, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? |
| 04:09.54 | northbayrep | is there any way that they can open the port for my account? or is it the sort of thing that has to be done for the whole server? |
| 04:10.05 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Ok thank you |
| 04:10.10 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: they probably get hundreds of calls like "help I can't send mail from AOL!!!" and stuff :) |
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| 04:10.32 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: *shrug*; if that's a big deal you can allow it for specific MTAs |
| 04:10.48 | Caelum | true, it makes sense |
| 04:10.54 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: but outgoing smtp is far more of an issue to ISPs than incoming smtp. |
| 04:11.05 | Caelum | northbayrep: is there any reason you have to run a mail server over DSL? |
| 04:11.51 | Guerin | Caelum: answer: no. |
| 04:11.58 | Caelum | hehe |
| 04:12.05 | Caelum | 'night guys |
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| 04:12.51 | morfeo | hola que tal ? |
| 04:13.00 | morfeo | me podria ayudar por favor |
| 04:13.12 | morfeo | tengo un problema con apt-get |
| 04:13.28 | lakcaj | !debian-es |
| 04:13.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:13.34 | northbayrep | i want to send and receive my webmail from a mail client. |
| 04:13.37 | morfeo | quiero actualizar el sources.list |
| 04:13.46 | morfeo | ok |
| 04:13.48 | morfeo | ok |
| 04:13.52 | morfeo | gracias |
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| 04:14.00 | Dewi | Caelum: lots of ISPs block outgoing smtp, at least here in australia where internet is expensive and crap |
| 04:14.08 | northbayrep | but i can't use smtp to send mail, because port 25 is blocked., |
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| 04:14.18 | Dewi | Caelum: in fact I'd say it's unusual not to |
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| 04:14.40 | Dewi | Caelum: mine is nice enough to disable the block if you ask |
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| 04:15.02 | northbayrep | so the block can be disabled just for one user? |
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| 04:16.29 | foureyes779 | can anyone tell me what the name of the debian mac channel is ? |
| 04:17.14 | lakcaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.17 | kvidell | uh.. #debian-ppc ? |
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| 04:17.20 | foureyes779 | lakcaj: tnx |
| 04:17.29 | kreg | can fsck scan and fix a raid disc? |
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| 04:17.39 | cheal | !#debian-ppc |
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| 04:17.45 | northbayrep | dondelelcaro: do you know whether they could disable the block for just my account, or whether it's a whole server thing? |
| 04:17.59 | GnomeDesktop1337 | I'm sure this is an entirely easy question but, how do I change the gnome splash screen? |
| 04:18.10 | lakcaj | GnomeDesktop1337, it is a gconf key |
| 04:18.54 | foureyes779 | cheal: tnx, got it |
| 04:19.19 | cheal | foureyes779: sorry... |
| 04:20.19 | Reilithion | Hey, is there an easy way to update the sources.list for apt-get? |
| 04:20.23 | foureyes779 | cheal: NP, i was having a blonde moment and freenode was being stingy with the info |
| 04:20.32 | cheal | Reilithion: what kind of update? |
| 04:20.35 | lakcaj | GnomeDesktop1337, Applications -> System Tools -> Configuration Editor -> Apps -> Gnome-session -> Options -> Splash_image |
| 04:20.45 | EdLin | Reilithion: apt-setup, but that's only the main Debian repository |
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| 04:20.57 | Reilithion | Like, remove the old sites that don't work anymore, and add ones that are up-to-date |
| 04:21.19 | northbayrep | Reilithion: i would run gedit as root and open the file to do it manually. |
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| 04:21.46 | dumezil | anyone have experience with installing courier-imap to work with qmail on debian? |
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| 04:22.24 | EdLin | northbayrep: does gedit have regular expressions? If not, you aren't getting a win from using a GUI editor. (Though of course both emacs and even some vi clones support X) |
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| 04:22.53 | elberto | kind of |
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| 04:23.07 | cw666 | anyone here know why glibc-2.3.2 (default for sarge) doesnt use the tls libraries? |
| 04:23.09 | elberto | it has a search and replace function anyway |
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| 04:23.11 | cw666 | 2.3.5 does however |
| 04:23.24 | northbayrep | EdLin: i meant run application as root through gnome, then when you open files they won't be read-only |
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| 04:23.31 | northbayrep | if i remember correctly. |
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| 04:23.44 | EdLin | northbayrep: I thought you were answering Reilithion's question |
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| 04:23.48 | lakcaj | northbayrep, you don't log into gnome/kde as root do you? |
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| 04:24.49 | mike_ | hi, how can i execute 1 command 100 times from the command line? |
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| 04:25.06 | elberto | put it in a script |
| 04:25.07 | mike_ | for 100; do blah |
| 04:25.09 | elberto | 100 times |
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| 04:25.16 | elberto | :) |
| 04:25.17 | mike_ | take to long |
| 04:25.29 | elberto | copy paste |
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| 04:25.40 | mike_ | no, i just want a simple bash command |
| 04:25.49 | mike_ | im close, i know that |
| 04:26.24 | nvz | mike_: that is a simple bash command for i in `seq 1 to 100`; do foo; done |
| 04:26.24 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Thank you again lakcaj |
| 04:26.25 | elberto | I think you can use seq or something like that |
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| 04:26.37 | mike_ | nvz: thanks mate :) |
| 04:26.38 | elberto | nvz, thats it |
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| 04:26.52 | lakcaj | for i in `seq 1 100`; do echo $i; done |
| 04:27.00 | lakcaj | mike_, ^^ |
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| 04:27.17 | nvz | yeah the to wasnt suppose to be there |
| 04:27.26 | Reilithion | what package contains apt-setup? |
| 04:27.27 | mike_ | thanks =] |
| 04:27.41 | lakcaj | GnomeDesktop1337, np... I do most of the things you are asking as soon as I do a fresh install on a new machine, so they are easy to remember. |
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| 04:27.51 | Guerin | lakcaj: that doesn't do QUITE what he wants |
| 04:28.11 | lakcaj | Reilithion, base-config |
| 04:28.31 | EdLin | Reilithion: it's in root's path but not in the user path. |
| 04:28.40 | jdrake | is there any availablility on xorg packages for testing? |
| 04:28.42 | EdLin | Reilithion: you have it |
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| 04:28.47 | GnomeDesktop1337 | lakcaj: I'm gonna ask you how to metacity and GTK themes next if I can't figure it out :) |
| 04:28.51 | Guerin | jdrake: no |
| 04:28.54 | nvz | jdrake: not yet |
| 04:29.00 | elberto | kdrake, http://www.debianguide.org/wiki/moin.cgi/XorgHowTo |
| 04:29.00 | lakcaj | Guerin, why not? Replace "echo $i" with whatever he wants. |
| 04:29.15 | GnomeDesktop1337 | I always change the file manager to browser only on new installs |
| 04:29.22 | muaddib | I have a 80Gb notebook hard drive that is formated with the fat32 filesystem. I am attempting to mount it to my debian box with the 2.6 kernel. It looks like the drive is recopgnized by the system, but somehow the partition table became corrupted. Is there a way to wipe the entire contents of a disk without reading the partition table |
| 04:29.37 | mike_ | wtf |
| 04:29.43 | novent93 | novetn93 hello |
| 04:29.44 | mike_ | die you crappy process |
| 04:29.49 | Guerin | lakcaj: yes... |
| 04:29.53 | mike_ | its like a zombie |
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| 04:30.10 | nvz | mike_: run gpart on it, it can often recover partition tables. |
| 04:30.15 | nvz | muaddib: ^ |
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| 04:30.26 | mike_ | nvz: ;) |
| 04:30.27 | Guerin | muaddib: fdisk should do it |
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| 04:30.34 | lakcaj | GnomeDesktop1337, well, they are both drag and drop the archived file right into the theme manager, so you shouldn't have much trouble. |
| 04:30.36 | nvz | muaddib: you also could probably just start with a new partition table if you dont care about the datas |
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| 04:31.12 | GnomeDesktop1337 | lakcaj: I thought as much |
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| 04:31.30 | GnomeDesktop1337 | I tried it once and it din't work but that was a long time ago |
| 04:31.51 | GnomeDesktop1337 | ooh http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/GNOME-Clouds_1600x1200.jpg |
| 04:31.53 | lakcaj | GnomeDesktop1337, some of them do have to be compiled. |
| 04:32.05 | muaddib | nvz: Everytime I try to run cfdisk I get the error can't read the partition table so I hoping there was another way to wipe the disk without reading the partition table fully |
| 04:32.24 | sgeigerbot | Is it possible that the Debian Installer would have installed a 2.6.8 kernel that doesn't have support for ext3 built int? |
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| 04:32.44 | Reilithion | So, where can I find a list of urls that have Debian packages for apt-get to use? |
| 04:32.50 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: I can't remember if it was built as a module or included in it. |
| 04:32.59 | elberto | Reilithion, on the debian web site |
| 04:33.03 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: but it should have built an initrd with the driver if it wasn't built in. |
| 04:33.10 | mike_ | how can i kill a zombie process? |
| 04:33.19 | Reilithion | elberto: where on the debian website, though? |
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| 04:33.26 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: I guess I could try to change the partition type back to ext2 |
| 04:33.29 | northbayrep | the losers at sympatico wouldn't open the port. |
| 04:33.39 | northbayrep | in fact, they're not allowed to do anything, just give instructions. |
| 04:33.40 | northbayrep | grr. |
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| 04:33.44 | northbayrep | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.52 | nvz | sgeigerbot: it can mount ext3 as ext2 in any case |
| 04:33.59 | nvz | sgeigerbot: just disables journaling |
| 04:34.12 | lakcaj | GnomeDesktop1337, I'm partial to my current screeny: http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot17zr.png |
| 04:34.56 | Guerin | mike_: give it what it wants |
| 04:35.01 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Some backrounds make you not want to have anything on the desktop, I hae already gotten rid of the icons but gkrellm and the toolbar is a must |
| 04:35.11 | sgeigerbot | nvz: you are right. Damn...crap, that means my install is somehow really hosed. Here's what I get on boot: "Pivot_root: no such file or directory /sbin/init: 428 : cannot open dev/consoles no such file Kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init" Any ideas on how to fix that? |
| 04:35.12 | elberto | Reilithion, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 04:35.21 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Nice dude |
| 04:35.27 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 04:35.27 | Guerin | mike_: typically, a zombie process can't die because it's waiting for something to happen - usually disk i/o. Give it what it wants and it'll die. If you can. |
| 04:35.31 | Reilithion | uber thanks, elberto |
| 04:35.35 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: that's the typical udev not built in or the initrd doesn't have dev/console error |
| 04:35.35 | elberto | np |
| 04:35.36 | lakcaj | GnomeDesktop1337, yeah, I like an essentially empty desktop, except for a few commonly used apps. |
| 04:35.52 | nvz | sgeigerbot: make a note that I am drunk as hell |
| 04:36.05 | foureyes779 | Midnight Commander and a CLI is all thats needed |
| 04:36.10 | sgeigerbot | nvz: cheers. |
| 04:36.14 | nvz | :) |
| 04:36.41 | sgeigerbot | nvz: yeah, actually this machine probably needs an initrd just to load the friggin raid array controller drivers. |
| 04:36.51 | sgeigerbot | nvz: I suppose I need to find a different installer disk. |
| 04:37.03 | nvz | sgeigerbot: what ever you say cheif |
| 04:37.14 | nvz | s/ei/ie/ even? |
| 04:37.15 | GnomeDesktop1337 | lakcaj: A lot of the time i don't even use gnome but just use lynx and mc etc, to do my work, working on customizing that too |
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| 04:37.37 | lakcaj | I don't think I could ever go that minimal :) |
| 04:37.45 | elberto | yet your nick is GnomeDesktop1337? |
| 04:37.56 | GnomeDesktop1337 | It's a pun |
| 04:38.08 | elberto | right.. |
| 04:38.15 | nvz | dondelelcaro: what are you (trying) to build? |
| 04:38.42 | dondelelcaro | nvz: r-bioconductor-affy; it's missing a build-depends on r-bioconductor-biobase |
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| 04:39.07 | nvz | dondelelcaro: oh is that so :) way over my head |
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| 04:40.14 | mike_ | Guerin: how can i find out what it need to die? |
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| 04:40.49 | EdLin | GnomeDesktop1337: elinks > lynx (except for html conversion) |
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| 04:41.06 | nvz | mike_: stick your head in a bucket of calcium hypochlorite, you will die |
| 04:41.22 | smack_the_stripp | anyone know how I can boot from a hard disk like 2.2.3 in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s02.html.en |
| 04:41.42 | sbk | how do I find out what particular version of a debian package I have currently installed? |
| 04:41.52 | nvz | sbk: dpkg -l package |
| 04:41.52 | GnomeDesktop1337 | lakcaj: What iconset are you using? |
| 04:41.58 | sbk | nvz: ah, thank you |
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| 04:42.26 | mike_ | nvz: i already tried that |
| 04:42.29 | smack_the_stripp | and do a net install from that |
| 04:43.02 | nvz | mike_: b.s. you would have suffocated. |
| 04:43.24 | lakcaj | GnomeDesktop1337, exquisite |
| 04:43.25 | dondelelcaro | now it's missing R > 2.2.0 |
| 04:43.26 | dondelelcaro | classical |
| 04:43.28 | mike_ | nvz: i wish this process would suffocate |
| 04:43.30 | nvz | yeehaw my crossover coupler I made worked |
| 04:44.25 | GnomeDesktop1337 | lakcaj: How do I install window borders? |
| 04:45.15 | litage | what does the nullok_secure option do for PAM? |
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| 04:45.37 | dondelelcaro | oh, of course... it hasn't even been released yet. |
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| 04:46.50 | aedwards_ | folks...the ipsec tunnel in 2.6 does not produce an ipsec interface like freeswan used to do...Anyone know if the interface can be created with 2.6 IPSEC implementation? |
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| 04:48.31 | buu | Er, can anyone give me that fairly simple command line to turn on NAT/masquerading under 2.6? |
| 04:48.42 | [DF2] | i'm having some problems with pppoeconf.. after running it it fails..when it tries to get a response for the access concentrator.. |
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| 04:48.56 | CuriouserAndCuri | buu use ipmasq package |
| 04:49.12 | dondelelcaro | !masq |
| 04:49.12 | dpkg | masq is probably See: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L, or >> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html << url has changed |
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| 04:49.25 | buu | Ahah! |
| 04:49.28 | buu | Yay dpkg |
| 04:49.39 | dondelelcaro | buu: apt-get install ipmasq; should do it as well, iirc. |
| 04:49.58 | lakcaj | GnomeDesktop1337, metacity themes? Should just be drag and drop. What are you trying to install (link)? |
| 04:50.12 | buu | dondelelcaro: Well, I like thecommand |
| 04:50.27 | GnomeDesktop1337 | ok I read the readme hold on |
| 04:51.01 | CuriouserAndCuri | Does anyone have experience getting DVD-RAM working 2.6.12? I've tried everything under the sun and then some. |
| 04:51.03 | [DF2] | thanks |
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| 04:52.00 | jdrake | how many fps would you expect from an ATI X300 pci-e using the ati drivers running glxgears? |
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| 04:52.52 | GnomeDesktop1337 | lakcaj: I unpacked it when i did dragndrop now i need to switch it with gconf editor, where do I gO? |
| 04:52.57 | nevyn | jdrake: lots |
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| 04:53.17 | sgeigerbot | !+cdrecord |
| 04:53.17 | dpkg | i guess cdrecord is a CD writing tool (renamed cdrtools) for .iso (the file system) and .cdr (cd audio). Available at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/nthp/employees/schilling/cdrecord.html. Use -pad for .wav files when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or the .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on cd is static, use -swab. now from version 2.0 up it supports atapi cd burners with an option like -dev=AT |
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| 04:53.37 | dondelelcaro | buu: yeah, ipmasq just has some other stuff to make a turning it into a real router fairly straightforward |
| 04:53.42 | buu | ah |
| 04:53.47 | buu | Well, it's not really a router per se |
| 04:53.53 | lakcaj | GnomeDesktop1337, no, only gconf editor for the splash screen. |
| 04:53.58 | jdrake | would lots be somewhere in the 500 range? |
| 04:54.00 | buu | It's my main computer, I just wanted to run a gaming windows box through it. |
| 04:54.03 | dondelelcaro | buu: right, it's just another option. |
| 04:54.23 | lakcaj | GnomeDesktop1337, you opened the Applications -> Desktop Preferences -> Theme and dropped it in there? |
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| 04:54.32 | buu | dondelelcaro: I shall keep it in mind when I want to be more complicated. |
| 04:54.33 | GnomeDesktop1337 | yes |
| 04:54.41 | jdrake | hmm, something tells me I should have something closer to 5000 to 20000 |
| 04:54.41 | sgeigerbot | Is nobody using cdrecord on 2.6? I'm getting this message (and cdrecord isn't burning my cds): cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. |
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| 04:54.46 | GnomeDesktop1337 | and it unpacked it to ~.themes |
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| 04:54.52 | Curiouser | I have an LG 4160B multi-drive. Everything I've been able to get says I just need to format then mount ... but I can't get it to format ... |
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| 04:54.55 | buu | dondelelcaro: Heh, actually, you raise an interesting point. If I wanted to do port forwarding would it be simple enough with ipchains or do I need ipmasq stuff? |
| 04:55.00 | lakcaj | GnomeDesktop1337, ok, go there again, and click theme-details. There you can pick controls, window, and icons. |
| 04:55.02 | GnomeDesktop1337 | it's there but i can't switch it using the theme thing |
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| 04:55.26 | cheal | dpkg: firefox java |
| 04:55.26 | dondelelcaro | buu: you should just be able to get it to work by turning on ip_forward, iirc. |
| 04:55.26 | dpkg | hmm... firefox java is :first intall java using any standard procedure: either ask me <java> or <mozilla java> or <mozilla-java-bis>. That last one explains how to install Java as a package. Once /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so is simlink to /usr/lib/j2re1.4-sun/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so, make /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so a simlink to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so. It ... |
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| 04:55.45 | GnomeDesktop1337 | OH |
| 04:55.45 | cheal | dpkg: no, firefox java is <reply> To have Firefox run Java, first install Java (ask me about install java). If Java is installed by java-package, Firefox will already be able to run Java. Otherwise, make sure that there's a libjavaplugin_oji.so symlink pointing to a JRE or JDK's libjavaplugin_oji.so. The symlink should be in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ for it to provide the plugin to all users, or in each target user's $HOME/.mozilla/p |
| 04:55.45 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
| 04:55.45 | GnomeDesktop1337 | dang |
| 04:55.45 | rking | there's no way to recover a forgotten nickserv password, is there? |
| 04:56.16 | sgeigerbot | What is the recommended too to use as a replacement for cdrecord in a pinch? |
| 04:56.45 | cheal | rking: unlikely |
| 04:56.55 | Curiouser | i've used k3b ... |
| 04:57.13 | GnomeDesktop1337 | OMFG my desktop is sweet |
| 04:57.15 | rking | cheal: hrmm... they don't ever expire, do they? |
| 04:57.22 | lakcaj | GnomeDesktop1337, screeny? :) |
| 04:57.30 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Yes in one sec |
| 04:57.37 | lakcaj | then I'm off to bed |
| 04:57.47 | cheal | rking: perhaps, but I doubt that would help you |
| 04:58.47 | GnomeDesktop1337 | I need to get a dark wallpaper iconset and a theme for gkrellm |
| 04:58.52 | GnomeDesktop1337 | then ill get a screen |
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| 04:59.14 | lakcaj | GnomeDesktop1337, ok, I'll have to see it another time. Good luck :) |
| 04:59.22 | rking | cheal: is there a #debian regular that's also an op? |
| 04:59.28 | mike_ | GnomeDesktop1337: i still want to see it |
| 04:59.30 | GnomeDesktop1337 | ok |
| 04:59.43 | mike_ | ;) |
| 04:59.43 | cheal | rking: hopefully |
| 04:59.51 | rking | cheal: hehe - nm, it's not a big deal |
| 04:59.57 | GnomeDesktop1337 | here ill take one now |
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| 05:00.04 | GnomeDesktop1337 | its not done though |
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| 05:00.08 | mike_ | fucking xmms |
| 05:00.15 | kairu0 | damn you xmms! |
| 05:00.23 | mike_ | it won't fucking die |
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| 05:00.42 | mike_ | ive tried everything |
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| 05:00.46 | sgeigerbot | Are there any CD burning tools not based on cdrecord? |
| 05:00.50 | Curiouser | kill the process |
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| 05:00.54 | mike_ | i did |
| 05:01.07 | Curiouser | hard kill .... kill -9 <process id> |
| 05:01.08 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: not really, why? |
| 05:01.10 | mike_ | killall, kill, killed 100 times |
| 05:01.30 | Curiouser | sudo it and kill |
| 05:01.56 | sgeigerbot | valdyn: "not really" doesn't count as an answer. Either "yes" or "no" counts. It looks as if cdw might be independent of cdrecord. |
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| 05:02.34 | mike_ | i did |
| 05:02.37 | mike_ | as root too |
| 05:02.47 | mike_ | mike:/home/mike# for i in `seq 1 100`; do killall xmms; done |
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| 05:02.49 | GnomeDesktop1337 | http://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1xf.png |
| 05:02.50 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: apt-cache show cdw shows ' Ncurses-based frontend for cdrecord and mkisofs' |
| 05:02.53 | mike_ | it won't die |
| 05:02.57 | sgeigerbot | fuck. |
| 05:03.14 | Evil_Devil | hi |
| 05:03.14 | Evil_Devil | do you know when will be the next release? |
| 05:03.22 | dondelelcaro | mike_: kill -9 it |
| 05:03.28 | dondelelcaro | mike_: if it's in D, it can't be killed. |
| 05:03.39 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Let me know what you think |
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| 05:04.17 | mike_ | dondelelcaro: err, thanks. lol, it worked |
| 05:04.29 | GnomeDesktop1337 | oh and thats 226MB free not 26MB |
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| 05:04.53 | dondelelcaro | Evil_Devil: WIR, as usual. |
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| 05:05.15 | Evil_Devil | what is WIR |
| 05:05.42 | dondelelcaro | !tell Evil_Devil -about wwer |
| 05:05.51 | Curiouser | has anyone ever successful used DVD-RAM discs. I'm really confused as to why it doesn't work. |
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| 05:06.18 | Evil_Devil | i but until now only with windows |
| 05:06.43 | mwilson | Curiouser: Used them for what? What's the big deal? You need a drive that supports them, and you're done. |
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| 05:07.03 | GnomeDesktop1337 | LOL the host name on my box is EviLDeBiAn |
| 05:07.30 | Curiouser | mwilson: tried and tried ... I've written DVD-R and CDs .... but DVD-RAM doesn't seem to work ... |
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| 05:08.10 | mwilson | "written"? DVD-RAM are random-access. You don't burn one. |
| 05:08.50 | Curiouser | mwilson: but apparently you have to format it ... with a filesystem .... |
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| 05:09.26 | [DF2] | has anyone got any knowledge setting up pppoeconf with a usb adsl modem? |
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| 05:09.46 | GnomeDesktop1337 | lakcaj: what do you think? |
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| 05:10.41 | dabaR | [DF2]: are you sure it uses pppoe tho, on the part b/w the comp and modem? |
| 05:11.09 | cheal | !install java |
| 05:11.09 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. Also, ask me about <java-package howto> |
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| 05:11.19 | cheal | dpkg: no, install java is <reply> First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
| 05:11.20 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
| 05:11.36 | [DF2] | dabar no i'm not sure |
| 05:11.54 | [DF2] | i try to synch the modem and it works |
| 05:12.11 | [DF2] | when i try to run eciadsl-start |
| 05:12.27 | [DF2] | it hangs on 3/5 thats the part where it tries to synch again |
| 05:12.42 | [DF2] | i was just assuming it might be pppoeconf might need setting up |
| 05:12.53 | [DF2] | when i do eciadsl-synch /etc/eciadsl/GS7470_SynchFiles/gs7470_synch06.bin it seems to work.. and synchs.. light comes on as it should |
| 05:13.10 | [DF2] | but not under eciadsl-start |
| 05:13.25 | cheal | dpkg: java-package |
| 05:13.25 | dpkg | [java-package] a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install fakeroot java-package; get java package from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; Ask me about <mozilla-java> to setup the mozilla plugin. |
| 05:13.29 | cheal | dpkg: no, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 05:13.29 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 05:13.30 | dabaR | [DF2]: read the manual for the modem. |
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| 05:13.42 | [DF2] | no linux support :( |
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| 05:13.59 | [DF2] | official support |
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| 05:14.26 | [DF2] | it's ok i just thought someone might have some knowledge on it |
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| 05:15.01 | dabaR | [DF2]: read the manual as to whether it uses pppoe b/w the comp and modem. |
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| 05:15.18 | dabaR | [DF2]: used it in windows? |
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| 05:15.34 | [DF2] | yeah using it right now under windows |
| 05:15.39 | dabaR | [DF2]: did you have to type in a username and password on the computer? |
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| 05:16.01 | dabaR | or, is your computer set up for pppoe in windows, even that will tell you. |
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| 05:16.20 | teleute | Can anyone help me with recompiling mod_php4? I need it to have mySQL support, which it does not currently have. |
| 05:16.42 | dabaR | your NIC would be set up for dhcp if it did not use it. |
| 05:16.44 | [DF2] | i set it up under the eciadsl-config-tk |
| 05:17.03 | [DF2] | eciadsl-config-tk has the username, modem type.. etc. |
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| 05:18.23 | dabaR | check how your NIC is set up. |
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| 05:18.45 | [DF2] | ifconfig? |
| 05:18.52 | dabaR | ok |
| 05:18.53 | morbius | what would I want to use to accept mail from multiple domains? |
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| 05:19.13 | [DF2] | i got a eth0 and a lo |
| 05:19.20 | [DF2] | what should i be looking for? |
| 05:19.27 | dabaR | in windows. |
| 05:19.31 | dabaR | where it works. |
| 05:19.40 | dabaR | whats the ip. |
| 05:19.59 | dabaR | why is this channel dead? |
| 05:20.01 | cheal | dpkg: java |
| 05:20.02 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive, consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). |
| 05:20.07 | cheal | dpkg: no, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 05:20.08 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
| 05:20.27 | Reilithion | bc we're all asleep |
| 05:20.32 | dabaR | ok. |
| 05:20.38 | [DF2] | seems ok |
| 05:20.43 | dabaR | whats the IP. |
| 05:20.55 | dabaR | I mwaN. |
| 05:21.08 | dabaR | mean, is it 192.something, or a 47,something? |
| 05:21.19 | [DF2] | i gno 220. |
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| 05:21.44 | dabaR | ok, then it is likely pppoe. |
| 05:21.52 | [DF2] | says PPP adapter.. pppoa |
| 05:22.11 | [DF2] | does it matter pppoa or pppoe? |
| 05:22.23 | [DF2] | still should the pppoeconf work? |
| 05:22.40 | jm__ | yes it matters |
| 05:23.22 | [DF2] | is there anyway to get pppoa working then? |
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| 05:24.28 | jm__ | there's plenty of useful stuff in /usr/share/doc/ppp |
| 05:24.37 | [DF2] | under windows i have set the modem up as pppoe and also pppoa before |
| 05:24.48 | [DF2] | ok thx |
| 05:27.36 | [DF2] | this feels like its going to take weeks to setup :/ |
| 05:28.04 | jm_ | really? it's a matter of copying peers script |
| 05:28.14 | jm_ | and setting up CHAP stuff |
| 05:28.20 | [DF2] | bro i'm just a newbie |
| 05:28.33 | [DF2] | my first ever install of linux i did 2 days ago |
| 05:28.37 | [DF2] | hehe |
| 05:28.57 | [DF2] | it seems so different to what i've been used to in winblows |
| 05:29.22 | [DF2] | i'm just getting my head around the different commands |
| 05:29.23 | [DF2] | etc.. |
| 05:29.24 | Curiouser | df2: god forbid you could make it look like windows ...lol |
| 05:29.33 | jm_ | there's plenty of howtos out there |
| 05:29.54 | [DF2] | i got time for howtos.. i just want to get it online first |
| 05:30.02 | [DF2] | so i can get away from this win box |
| 05:30.49 | teleute | Hmmm...I could've sworn I uncommented those, but I guess I dreamt it. *sigh* However, that doesn't seem to have fixed my php/mysql issue, though. |
| 05:30.51 | foureyes779 | yeahhhhh |
| 05:31.09 | teleute | Sorry, wrong screen. <sg> |
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| 05:32.46 | [DF2] | anyways thx guys for your help |
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| 05:43.06 | eXa_bOy | hello fellow nerds |
| 05:43.18 | Reilithion | Speak for yourself, eXa_bOy |
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| 05:46.00 | eXa_bOy | lol |
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| 05:46.27 | eXa_bOy | im far from a nerd i use freebsd :P |
| 05:46.54 | jm_ | ahh a moron then |
| 05:47.21 | eXa_bOy | SETTLE DOWN |
| 05:47.26 | eXa_bOy | sheesh im only playing |
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| 05:48.15 | Reilithion | !start os flamewar |
| 05:48.27 | Reilithion | crud. I thought that was how it worked. |
| 05:48.28 | Dewi | could anyone tell me what port vncserver listens on? everything is in terms of "displays" |
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| 05:49.16 | Agrajag- | Dewi: 5900 + display number i believe |
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| 05:49.39 | Dewi | Agrajag-: and a vnc client can connect to that? |
| 05:50.06 | Dewi | I mean... vnc server is serving two things, right? |
| 05:50.11 | Dewi | it's an x server and a vnc server |
| 05:50.32 | jm_ | Dewi: you can specify it on command line - /msg dpkg open ports |
| 05:50.33 | Agrajag- | well depends how you have it setup.. but all you need to do is connect to vnc |
| 05:50.37 | nevyn | yeah |
| 05:50.52 | nevyn | but... |
| 05:51.06 | Agrajag- | Dewi: on a box behind a lan, i forward just 5900 to it from the gateway, and i can vnc to that box fine |
| 05:51.12 | Dewi | Agrajag-: well, 5900+display is the X server. I want the vnc server |
| 05:51.24 | jm_ | no it;s not |
| 05:51.36 | Dewi | okay |
| 05:51.48 | Dewi | what's X? 6000 or something? |
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| 05:51.53 | Agrajag- | yeah |
| 05:51.55 | Guerin | yeh |
| 05:51.56 | jm_ | 6000+displaynum |
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| 05:52.09 | cat | damn spammers |
| 05:52.14 | jm_ | for TCP/IP connections anyway |
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| 05:52.33 | jdrake | whenever I set my printer to do a test page within the cups webinterface it adds the job but its status is aborted. Is there a way I can get trouble shooting information? |
| 05:52.41 | Nigel | the following command should work right: artsdsp sudo chroot chroot/etch-ia32/ |
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| 05:55.12 | eXa_bOy | whats sudo? |
| 05:55.32 | UdontKnow | gotta hate spammers :( |
| 05:55.40 | Nigel | run following command as root, so chroot will work... |
| 05:55.54 | nonmon | my dvd rom wont mount ive tried google and nothing heres my fstab line #flood |
| 05:55.59 | nonmon | /dev/hda1 /mnt/dvd iso9660 rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 05:57.03 | nonmon | heres the error "mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist" |
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| 05:57.54 | threeoffive | does the current stable release of debian support nForce forcedeth networking for Nforce 3 chipset... sarge id not suppornt my networking nforce chipset 3 it only suppoted nforce 2... has this changed? |
| 05:58.03 | threeoffive | id=did |
| 05:58.27 | threeoffive | please ignore my typose :) |
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| 05:59.12 | Nigel | nonmon: try /dev/dvd |
| 05:59.17 | Nigel | or similar |
| 06:00.26 | cw666 | anyone here know about glibc/ld-linux.so ? |
| 06:00.30 | nonmon | nothing |
| 06:00.39 | cat | cw666: what about it? |
| 06:00.48 | cw666 | cat: sarge by default has glibc-2.3.2 |
| 06:00.49 | nonmon | by the way my hd is /dev/sda* |
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| 06:01.01 | cat | cw666: yeah |
| 06:01.01 | cat | why? |
| 06:01.03 | eXa_bOy | !sarge |
| 06:01.04 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 06:01.05 | cw666 | cat: it's not using the tls versions of libc, etc. when on a 2.6.x kernel though |
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| 06:01.09 | cat | damn freaking mouse |
| 06:01.13 | cat | it's killing me |
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| 06:01.26 | cw666 | cw666: moving manually to 2.3.5 does though --- but i have no idea why 2.3.2 doesnt work |
| 06:01.27 | Xi-Phazor | Hows the x86_64 AMD64 debian coming along? Is it worth it to use over the i386 install yet? |
| 06:01.42 | Dewi | could anyone tell me how to launch my full gnome environment (that is, the environment which comes up after I log in via GDM)... but instead launch that at a specific X server (such as a vnc xserver) |
| 06:01.48 | jm_ | Xi-Phazor: go to their web page and read |
| 06:01.56 | cw666 | cat: think that's worth filing a bug about? |
| 06:02.07 | eXa_bOy | what version of the kernal does sarge use? |
| 06:02.14 | Nigel | 2.6.9 |
| 06:02.16 | jm_ | Dewi: yes, someone could |
| 06:02.19 | Nigel | errr 8 |
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| 06:02.28 | Dewi | Nigel: sarge uses a 2.4 by default doesn't it? |
| 06:02.33 | threeoffive | accursed release schedule... no debian for me... wait I do have an old tulip NIC somewhere... perhaps i could install it and try sarge that way.. |
| 06:02.39 | threeoffive | maybe |
| 06:02.39 | Nigel | Dewi: well depends |
| 06:02.58 | Nigel | boot the installer with linux26 :P |
| 06:03.00 | Dewi | eXa_bOy: 2.6.8 if you specify a 2.6 kernel at install, otherwise it's some 2.4 one |
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| 06:03.22 | Nigel | i remember once it promopted me which one to install... |
| 06:04.00 | Dewi | what should I do to launch my full gnome environment (the one I get when I log in via gdm) to a specific xserver (in this case a vncserver) |
| 06:04.15 | Dewi | ? |
| 06:04.28 | threeoffive | is there a software package that allows for the watching of shoutcast tv streams on linux? |
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| 06:06.34 | jm_ | !tell dewi -about starting gnome |
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| 06:07.20 | jm_ | apply that to Xvncserver (it honours default Xsession script AFAIR) |
| 06:07.31 | pygrammer | Hey |
| 06:07.51 | pygrammer | Any idea why my mic might not be working after configuring alsa and dmix? |
| 06:07.59 | pygrammer | it just stopped working |
| 06:08.12 | pygrammer | maybe i have to use alsamixer? but even when i change the mic volume there, it just doesn't work |
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| 06:08.38 | nonmon | 3of5 have you tried mplayer with the other codecs pkg? |
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| 06:12.47 | nonmon | why would debian not find my dvd rom? i had gentoo and it worked fine. |
| 06:13.10 | jethro | morning |
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| 06:13.49 | dsl__ | .org |
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| 06:14.11 | SimonRaven | .dumb |
| 06:14.37 | weilawei | w00t. :) after weeks of futzing between testing and unstable because I'd broken dist-upgrade by mix |
| 06:14.38 | mwilson | nonmon: "find"? |
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| 06:14.40 | rAz_ | i need to know about bandwith shapers , what's the best usable ? : trickle, wondershaper or shaperd ? thx in advance |
| 06:14.46 | mwilson | nonmon: Is it lost? |
| 06:14.55 | weilawei | 'n'match, i finally upgraded the packages piece by piece and got it to a fully unstable system :) |
| 06:14.58 | cat | can someone show me how to mount a usb floppy? |
| 06:15.09 | nonmon | find = locate |
| 06:15.16 | weilawei | slocate =D |
| 06:15.16 | cw666 | find != locate |
| 06:15.18 | mwilson | Again, is it lost? |
| 06:15.28 | nonmon | aperently |
| 06:15.42 | nonmon | i try to mount it and nothing |
| 06:15.42 | mwilson | What makes you think that the kernel doesn't know it's there? |
| 06:16.08 | pygrammer | uh, someone? |
| 06:16.11 | pygrammer | Any idea why my mic might not be working after configuring alsa and dmix? |
| 06:16.13 | threeoffive | mount /dev/sda /mount/point is how I mount a usb camera as a vfs device |
| 06:16.16 | pygrammer | it just stopped working |
| 06:16.19 | pygrammer | maybe i have to use alsamixer? but even when i change the mic volume there, it just doesn't work |
| 06:16.39 | threeoffive | mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mount/point actually |
| 06:16.40 | nonmon | ive tried hwinfo and it doesnt show it |
| 06:16.46 | mwilson | nonmon: It's pretty much completely unlikely that you'd get "nothing" when you try to mount it. |
| 06:17.05 | mwilson | !find hwinfo |
| 06:17.06 | nonmon | mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist is the error |
| 06:17.18 | cat | darn it |
| 06:17.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'hwinfo' (3 of 7): (/usr/sbin/hwinfo) in admin/hwinfo ;; (/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/scalable/apps/hwinfo.svgz) in kde/kdebase-data ;; (/usr/share/xffm/pixmaps/noia/apps/hwinfo.png, /usr/share/xffm/pixmaps/Crystal/apps/hwinfo.png) in x11/xffm4-icons. |
| 06:17.29 | jm_ | cd-rom drives don't have partitions on them, so /dev/hda1 is definitely wrong |
| 06:17.33 | mwilson | And why would you be trying to mount a partition on a DVD? |
| 06:17.35 | jm_ | or rather discs don't |
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| 06:17.47 | nonmon | thats how i did it on gentoo |
| 06:17.52 | jm_ | no you didn't |
| 06:17.56 | pygrammer | never mind, fixed it! |
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| 06:18.00 | pygrammer | amixer set Capture cap 8 :) |
| 06:18.01 | mwilson | No, that's not how you did it on Gentoo. |
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| 06:18.14 | threeoffive | also your fstab entry had the fstype of your dvd-rom drive set to iso-96??? shouldn't you set it to auto? |
| 06:18.27 | tonny | ;) |
| 06:18.31 | nonmon | ive tried auto |
| 06:18.42 | rAz_ | i just setup chatzilla and there is no command to launch it .. someone could help me to found how to launch it ? |
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| 06:18.53 | mwilson | But you haven't tried doing it the right way, by not specifying a partition. |
| 06:18.59 | threeoffive | .. |
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| 06:19.54 | nonmon | mount: you must specify the filesystem type is when i use auto |
| 06:20.05 | jm_ | that's because you're specifying wrong device |
| 06:20.25 | threeoffive | yes when you specify device /dev/hda1 you are indicating partition one on the device /dev/hda |
| 06:20.31 | nonmon | mount: special device /dev/hda does not exist |
| 06:20.41 | rAz_ | did i asked badly ? |
| 06:21.04 | jm_ | are you using udev or something like that? does /dev/cdrom work? |
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| 06:21.10 | mwilson | jm_: I suppose he could be another unstable user with a broken udev or something. |
| 06:21.12 | threeoffive | chatilla have you checked /opt /usr/local/bin and /usr/bin? |
| 06:21.13 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 06:21.16 | jm_ | mwilson: :) |
| 06:21.29 | threeoffive | for the existance of the chatzilla executable |
| 06:21.44 | SimonRaven | mozilla -chatzilla maybe... |
| 06:21.46 | nonmon | /dev/hda /dev/dvd iso9660 rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 06:21.52 | tengulre | what's the kjournald?? |
| 06:21.53 | SimonRaven | or something of that sort |
| 06:21.54 | rAz_ | nah doesnt work |
| 06:21.58 | mwilson | Or better yet, actually bothered to read the documentation to learn how to launch it? |
| 06:22.02 | nonmon | thats my fstab |
| 06:22.03 | rAz_ | tryed chatzilla and mozilla-chatzilla |
| 06:22.04 | SimonRaven | tengulre: kernel thread |
| 06:22.04 | mwilson | Nah, why would you do that? |
| 06:22.34 | jm_ | nonmon: you fucked up badly |
| 06:22.38 | SimonRaven | because ;p |
| 06:22.45 | nonmon | im glad youve noticed |
| 06:22.58 | jm_ | nonmon: man fstab |
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| 06:23.34 | threeoffive | rAz the executable for chatzilla may be in a directory that is not linked in as a directory that contains programs so you may have to navigate to the directory containing the executable and launch it from there it is also possible to create a symlink to that directory allowing you to launch it from anywhere |
| 06:23.41 | rAz_ | well.. time to show thx for helpless |
| 06:23.47 | jm_ | there's no chatzilla executable |
| 06:23.52 | threeoffive | oh |
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| 06:24.05 | jm_ | but look in usr/lib/menu/mozilla-chatzilla |
| 06:24.15 | jm_ | /usr... |
| 06:24.20 | mwilson | "linked in as a directory that contains programs"? |
| 06:24.41 | threeoffive | symlinked |
| 06:25.04 | mwilson | Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 06:25.04 | Guerin | threeoffive: wtf? |
| 06:25.15 | Guerin | you mean 'not in $PATH' |
| 06:25.17 | rAz_ | ok i have to link to use |
| 06:25.20 | threeoffive | right |
| 06:25.21 | rAz_ | thx jm_ |
| 06:25.26 | k-man__ | hey, whats wrong with my regex? sed -e 's/.*(http.*\.ram).*/\1/' |
| 06:25.28 | Guerin | but none of this has even the slightest bit to do with symlinks |
| 06:25.43 | k-man__ | im trying to grab a url from an html page and return just the url |
| 06:26.04 | jm_ | k_ma;the fact you didn't read man 7 regex |
| 06:26.08 | jm_ | k-man__ ^^^ |
| 06:26.13 | pygrammer | uh-oh |
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| 06:26.21 | pygrammer | I think I screwed up apt-get |
| 06:26.28 | k-man__ | jm_, yeah, i did read it |
| 06:26.47 | jm_ | k-man__: so why do you insist on using ()? |
| 06:26.52 | jm_ | because you didn't read it |
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| 06:27.04 | pygrammer | I installed the sid version of libc6, locales, and other packages last night so I could meet the dependencies for libwx2.6, but now it's saying I have broken dependencies and it won't let me do anything til I fix 'em |
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| 06:27.21 | Guerin | jm_: in fairness, he might have READ it ... he just might be too stupid to UNDERSTAND it |
| 06:27.28 | pygrammer | What should I do? i don't want it to prompt me with that every time i try to do an apt operation, but i don't want to remove the offending packages either, because they're required for certain programs I run |
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| 06:28.05 | jm_ | Guerin: my bet is he skipped the last paragraph which is talking about basic regex, as opposed to extended one |
| 06:28.13 | k-man__ | jm_, cos its a sub expression |
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| 06:29.01 | jm_ | k-man__: see above |
| 06:29.38 | dimir | Morning. |
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| 06:32.18 | eXa_bOy | i got blocked in #php... fkn operator. |
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| 06:32.40 | eXa_bOy | just cause i used the f word, not directed at anyone. |
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| 06:33.03 | Guerin | pygrammer: run the following, exactly: apt-get -f remove; |
| 06:33.13 | Guerin | pygrammer: as root |
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| 06:33.28 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: sucks to be in a channel run by prudes |
| 06:33.28 | pygrammer | Guerin: will do; thanks, hold on |
| 06:33.52 | Guerin | pygrammer: when you get a list of what will be removed, study it carefully. |
| 06:34.32 | Guerin | bah, incompetent motherfuckers who set up this server room |
| 06:34.46 | eXa_bOy | ummm maaaaaaaa you said fuck :o |
| 06:34.56 | pygrammer | Guerin: no, see, that's exactly what I *didn't* want to do -- i CANNOT remove those packages (they're sid packages, and i'm using etch) because several programs I run depend on them! |
| 06:34.58 | Guerin | there are two power breakers; one on the right hand side of the room, one on the left |
| 06:35.12 | Guerin | pygrammer: just allow it to remove the programs you need |
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| 06:35.20 | Guerin | pygrammer: you can reinstall the etch versions later |
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| 06:35.45 | jm_ | run script, run apt-get -f remove, let it finish, end the script session, reinstall it back |
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| 06:35.51 | jm_ | how hard can it be |
| 06:35.53 | eXa_bOy | debian has to be the friendliest *nix |
| 06:36.08 | pygrammer | Guerin: I *can't*, because the etch versions are too old and do not satisfy the dependencies of wxgtk2.6 |
| 06:36.16 | pygrammer | hence why i installed the sid versions |
| 06:36.19 | pygrammer | of libc6, etc. |
| 06:36.21 | pygrammer | and got locales |
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| 06:36.22 | bob2 | wtf |
| 06:36.23 | bob2 | no |
| 06:36.23 | pygrammer | etc |
| 06:36.33 | jm_ | ohh that's the person who fucked up with libc6 from sid because of wxpython |
| 06:36.39 | pygrammer | jm_: yes |
| 06:36.39 | bob2 | having to install sid's libc6 on etch means you fucked up |
| 06:36.40 | bob2 | badly |
| 06:36.44 | Guerin | anyway, my desk and the aircon is on the right, and a couple big cabs of servers are on the left... my power cuts out all the time - maybe five times today, yet the other side stays on |
| 06:36.59 | pygrammer | bob2: i know -- so what should I do? i really need the new version of wxpython |
| 06:36.59 | eXa_bOy | ROFL! |
| 06:37.17 | bob2 | pygrammer: you rebuild he sid source package on etch |
| 06:37.20 | Guerin | pygrammer: you need to make etch backports of all those programs you think you need, or switch to sid wholesale |
| 06:37.26 | jm_ | he said he doesn't want to do that |
| 06:37.30 | Guerin | which, for someone of your evident lack of skill, would be most unwise |
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| 06:37.47 | pygrammer | heh, thanks :( |
| 06:37.52 | jm_ | so instead, he ended up screwing up his system |
| 06:38.01 | Guerin | !tell pygrammer about simple sid backport |
| 06:38.13 | eXa_bOy | not as bad as mounting your swap on /dev/hda0 |
| 06:38.21 | Guerin | pygrammer: but in the mean time, you REALLY DO need to uninstall all those packages, even the ones you need right now |
| 06:38.25 | jm_ | there's no /dev/hda0 in Linux :) |
| 06:38.27 | SimonRaven | you don't mount swap |
| 06:38.31 | bob2 | in future, remember that any plan involving touching libc6 means you need to understand EXACTLY what you're doing |
| 06:38.34 | cw666 | cat: found the problem, nohwcap was screwing things up |
| 06:38.38 | pygrammer | bob2: yea |
| 06:38.40 | Guerin | yeah, really |
| 06:38.40 | pygrammer | i'll remember that |
| 06:38.41 | bob2 | which usually means asking here or on a mailing list |
| 06:38.42 | jm_ | and even if you try to swapon it, it won't hurt, it's mkswap that hurts |
| 06:38.43 | ukh | jm_: did you get lftp to work over SSL/TLS with vsftpd? I've done some further tests, and *every* single ftp client with SSL/TLS support works but lftp linked to gnutls. |
| 06:38.46 | Guerin | libc is the beating heart |
| 06:38.54 | SimonRaven | jm_: exactly =) |
| 06:39.03 | pygrammer | yeah, i thought i could backport the packages |
| 06:39.04 | bob2 | gnutls does have some weirdness |
| 06:39.05 | bob2 | or so I gather |
| 06:39.05 | pygrammer | but i didn't know how |
| 06:39.07 | pygrammer | and i'm stupid :) |
| 06:39.12 | bob2 | !+simple sid backport |
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| 06:39.12 | dpkg | somebody said simple sid backport was 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 06:39.14 | bob2 | go nuts |
| 06:39.17 | jm_ | ukh: no, it fucks up, the one with SSL works, the one with TLS doesn't (I get errors on simple commands like ls, but file transfer worked, albeit very slowly) |
| 06:39.23 | eXa_bOy | mkswap v1 /dev/hda ??? |
| 06:39.24 | jm_ | ukh: login also works |
| 06:39.24 | pygrammer | bob2: i got it in a pm from dpkg :) |
| 06:39.27 | streuner | Guerin: the mother of all battles? |
| 06:39.28 | SimonRaven | backport means actually building it, not just installing it |
| 06:39.35 | pygrammer | SimonRaven: yeah :/ |
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| 06:39.43 | Guerin | streuner: eh? |
| 06:39.44 | SimonRaven | uh, why would you want version 1? |
| 06:39.46 | bob2 | oh, right |
| 06:39.47 | pygrammer | so that means I have to compile and install *every* package i need manually? |
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| 06:39.57 | bob2 | no |
| 06:40.04 | pygrammer | so i need to look on packates.debian.org and satisfy all the depends? |
| 06:40.08 | pygrammer | *packages |
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| 06:40.11 | Guerin | pygrammer: every version you need which is not present in etch |
| 06:40.13 | jm_ | apt-get build-dep foo, just that |
| 06:40.16 | ukh | jm_: yes, login works, but not the rest. interestingly, lftp exhibits the same behavior on FreeBSD, so I guess it's time for me to ask upstream about it. Thanks for testing though. |
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| 06:40.38 | Nigel | the following command should work right?: artsdsp sudo chroot chroot/etch-ia32/ |
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| 06:40.45 | bob2 | no |
| 06:40.47 | jm_ | ukh: file transfer worked for me too - I have also noticed this with some other server, tried the latest version, no change |
| 06:41.01 | pygrammer | jeez, i don't know anything about anything! :( |
| 06:41.06 | pygrammer | i've been using debian for like a year |
| 06:41.08 | pygrammer | and i still don't know hsit |
| 06:41.09 | pygrammer | *shit |
| 06:41.17 | Nigel | i need sound out of that chroot |
| 06:41.18 | pygrammer | well i didn't take the time to learn it, but i don't know it |
| 06:41.19 | SimonRaven | ohnoz, you said the shit word |
| 06:41.37 | eXa_bOy | ummm maaaaaaaa you said shit :o |
| 06:42.12 | pygrammer | so i do need to remove all those sid packages i installed? ( |
| 06:42.13 | Nigel | wow, use the bathroom guys... |
| 06:42.14 | parhitean2__ | hai |
| 06:42.15 | pygrammer | :(* |
| 06:42.26 | bob2 | pygrammer: if you installed sid's libc6, you probably can't downgrade |
| 06:42.36 | pygrammer | bob2: really? |
| 06:42.39 | pygrammer | so what should I do? |
| 06:42.51 | pygrammer | i don't want to have to reinstall everything |
| 06:42.55 | pygrammer | *really* don't |
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| 06:43.14 | SimonRaven | you need mad skillz and lotsa patience to do it properly if you can at all. *i* wouldn't do it casually |
| 06:43.25 | bob2 | pygrammer: leave it |
| 06:43.36 | SimonRaven | yeh, just leave it |
| 06:43.58 | eXa_bOy | jm_ i was told to : mkswap -v1 dev/hda ... wasnt happy about that when the next line was "hold on! typo..." |
| 06:44.01 | pygrammer | i can't though |
| 06:44.05 | pygrammer | because i can't apt-get install anything |
| 06:44.09 | pygrammer | it says there's unmet dependencies |
| 06:44.12 | jm_ | eXa_bOy: yes, but mkswap is something entirely different |
| 06:44.12 | pygrammer | and it won't do anything unless i fix it |
| 06:44.15 | SimonRaven | o/~ "leave it! leave it! leave it, just wanna leave it leave it!" o/~ |
| 06:44.21 | bob2 | pygrammer: welcome to sid! |
| 06:44.23 | ukh | jm_: file transfer are generally passed through a separate data channel, so if you don't force it to SSL/TLS, transfers will work. |
| 06:44.41 | jm_ | ukh: I have enabled ftp:ssl-data-protect to yes |
| 06:44.43 | eXa_bOy | jm_ thats hat i was refering to earlier :) sorry bout the confuzion |
| 06:44.44 | pygrammer | bob2: well, what should I do? |
| 06:44.45 | jm_ | set* |
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| 06:45.21 | jm_ | pygrammer: two options - wait for Etch to catch up, or use sid |
| 06:45.23 | bob2 | pygrammer: point apt at sid. unfuck with apt-get -f install. point back at etch. enjoy your broken system until etch catches up with sid as of this week. |
| 06:45.26 | streuner | What are _they_ doing in #ubuntu against those spambots, bob2? |
| 06:45.46 | SimonRaven | i hate it when cron decides it can't contact the fucking ldap server..."WHAT DO YOU WANT, CRON!!!?!" |
| 06:45.50 | pygrammer | etch will catch up this week? |
| 06:45.54 | pygrammer | for libc6 and all |
| 06:46.17 | Guerin | pygrammer: almost certainly not |
| 06:46.21 | DrEpi | hrm.. I'm running debian sarge, and I built my own kernel (2.4.31) for it and modules and installed 'em and everything... now, when I run depmod -a, it goes "unresolved symbols in <every module I installed>" |
| 06:46.24 | pygrammer | so in sources.list replace testing with unstable? why would i have to do that? |
| 06:46.25 | bob2 | streuner: someone made it reject un-identify-ed users and redirect them to #ubuntu-unregged |
| 06:46.26 | DrEpi | what's up with that? |
| 06:46.28 | pygrammer | you said i can't downgrade anyways |
| 06:46.28 | Guerin | bah, aircon stays off, then |
| 06:46.34 | bob2 | pygrammer: exactly |
| 06:46.42 | pygrammer | bob2: then i can't "unfuck" |
| 06:46.42 | eXa_bOy | rofl @ Guerin |
| 06:46.43 | bob2 | pygrammer: eventually etch will have the package versions you got fro msid |
| 06:46.46 | pygrammer | because it wants to remove libc6 |
| 06:46.54 | jm_ | DrEpi: you screwed up majorly |
| 06:47.19 | pygrammer | which would entail "downgrading," which you said i can't do |
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| 06:47.23 | bob2 | DrEpi: did you have a 2.4.31 installed previously? |
| 06:47.24 | pygrammer | but in the meantime, i can't use apt-get |
| 06:47.24 | k-man__ | ooh.. you have to escape the brackets *Sgih* |
| 06:47.25 | pygrammer | ... |
| 06:47.26 | bob2 | pygrammer: no, it wouldn't |
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| 06:47.37 | pygrammer | bob2: why not? it wants to remove the new version |
| 06:47.37 | bob2 | read again what I said |
| 06:47.38 | Nigel | bob2: so how could i get mozilla to output sound from my chroot to alsa on my main system |
| 06:47.41 | Guerin | an aircon unit and a desktop computer shouldn't trip a 20W breaker |
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| 06:47.48 | Guerin | someone's fucked something up and good |
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| 06:47.49 | bob2 | Nigel: configure it to use dmix |
| 06:47.55 | bob2 | 20A? |
| 06:48.03 | bob2 | I can imagine an AC using that much power |
| 06:48.05 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:48.06 | pygrammer | bob2: so point apt at sid? |
| 06:48.06 | Guerin | 20A |
| 06:48.11 | pygrammer | then update? |
| 06:48.11 | Guerin | on LOW? |
| 06:48.14 | bob2 | hm |
| 06:48.19 | DrEpi | jm_: thank you for the well thought out and constructive advice |
| 06:48.20 | bob2 | pygrammer: update != upgrade, yes |
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| 06:48.31 | pygrammer | ack -- upgradse |
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| 06:48.32 | pygrammer | *upgrade |
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| 06:48.36 | bob2 | pygrammer: bear in mind your system will remain at least slightly fucked until etch catches up with the broken sid you have now |
| 06:48.37 | DrEpi | bob2: well, i did a debootstrap, and then built my own |
| 06:48.41 | jm_ | DrEpi: anytime |
| 06:48.47 | pygrammer | bob2: how will it be fucked? |
| 06:48.52 | pygrammer | what will be fucked? |
| 06:48.56 | bob2 | pygrammer: ... because you have sid's libc6 |
| 06:48.57 | midg3t | i know i've come in late, but it is possible to downgrade an entire system |
| 06:48.57 | bob2 | etc |
| 06:49.00 | ukh | jm_: it looks like it works, but larger files get truncated, so there's probably some kind of problem when closing the connection. A brief look in the gnutls code that generates the error also suggests it has to do with that last packet received. |
| 06:49.07 | SimonRaven | pygrammer: in many various and interesting ways |
| 06:49.12 | bob2 | midg3t: I'm pretty sure sid's libc6 can't be downgraded atm |
| 06:49.20 | jm_ | ukh: yes, it says something about packet length |
| 06:49.28 | midg3t | oh, interesting |
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| 06:50.01 | midg3t | i downgraded a system about a week ago, but i've forgotten what it was running |
| 06:50.02 | pygrammer | bob2: that majorly sucks |
| 06:50.02 | ukh | jm_: anyway, thanks for testing. I'll bug upstream ;-) |
| 06:50.13 | jm_ | ukh: no worries |
| 06:50.24 | pygrammer | debian isn't very ignorant-user-friendly :D |
| 06:50.26 | DrEpi | bob2: what does "unresolved symbols" mean exactly? |
| 06:50.47 | Guerin | pygrammer: debian does what you tell it. If you tell it to do stupid shit, you end up fucked. |
| 06:50.55 | SimonRaven | pygrammer: "with great power comes great responsibility" |
| 06:51.02 | Guerin | DrEpi: These modules weren't built for this kernel" |
| 06:51.11 | jm_ | you must run depmod -a when you boot with 2.4.31 kernel, it gets run at boot anyway |
| 06:51.12 | DrEpi | Guerin: no, that's not possible. :) |
| 06:51.16 | streuner | pygrammer: debian is like a ferrari, you can love, but if run too fast... ;-) |
| 06:51.20 | Guerin | DrEpi: that's what it means |
| 06:51.22 | DrEpi | Guerin: i nuked /lib/modules/* before makeing modules_install |
| 06:51.29 | Reilithion | Shouldn't it be possible to boot off of a CD or some other partition and downgrade to the older libc6 versions from there? |
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| 06:51.36 | Guerin | DrEpi: don't complain to me about it. |
| 06:51.37 | DrEpi | Guerin: there is no other kernel on this installation |
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| 06:51.39 | DrEpi | haha |
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| 06:51.42 | pygrammer | i'm overloaded with metaphors and analogies here!!!!!! |
| 06:51.44 | SimonRaven | duh.. |
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| 06:51.50 | Guerin | Reilithion: anything's possible, but it's not at all simple. |
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| 06:51.54 | jm_ | Reilithion: sure, if you know what you're doing |
| 06:51.57 | Guerin | DrEpi: rebuild using make-kpkg |
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| 06:52.15 | DrEpi | Guerin: i'd like to find out why this is happening. |
| 06:52.22 | SimonRaven | because |
| 06:52.25 | DrEpi | that's a bit of a "cross your fingers" solution |
| 06:52.26 | bob2 | DrEpi: it means the modules weren't built properly for that kernel |
| 06:52.32 | Guerin | DrEpi: i'd say there was a rogue kernel source someplace |
| 06:52.44 | DrEpi | this is an incredibly minimal system :) |
| 06:52.48 | Guerin | or you passed some differing version information somehow |
| 06:52.49 | jm_ | yet he didn't believe me when I said he fucked up ... |
| 06:52.49 | pygrammer | so, does everyone agree? i should upgrade my system to sid, "un-fuck" my system with apt-get -f install, and then point it back to etch and wait for etch to catch up? |
| 06:52.53 | DrEpi | it's running on a laptop with 16 megs of ram.. |
| 06:52.57 | DrEpi | there's almost nothing installed |
| 06:52.59 | bob2 | pygrammer: wtf |
| 06:53.04 | bob2 | pygrammer: no one said to upgrade to sid |
| 06:53.09 | DrEpi | i know i didn't put any kernel packages in |
| 06:53.10 | Guerin | pygrammer: that's not what tyou were advised |
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| 06:53.16 | pygrammer | oh |
| 06:53.16 | DrEpi | wait! I did put in kernel headers! |
| 06:53.19 | pygrammer | i guess i misunderstood |
| 06:53.20 | DrEpi | that's probably it |
| 06:53.20 | eXa_bOy | wtf is sid? |
| 06:53.22 | bob2 | pygrammer: I said to point apt at sid, let it install a minimal amount of stuff so apt works again, then point it at etch |
| 06:53.25 | bob2 | eXa_bOy: debian unstable |
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| 06:53.31 | pygrammer | bob2: with update? |
| 06:53.33 | streuner | pygrammer: people told you what to do already, how many times they should repead? |
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| 06:53.53 | pygrammer | well there were different opinions on the subject |
| 06:53.58 | bob2 | pygrammer: update = update apt index files so apt-get -f install will install packages from sid |
| 06:54.02 | Guerin | pygrammer: the difference between running apt-get -f install; in sid and apt-get dist-upgrade in sid is quite substantial |
| 06:54.29 | Guerin | DrEpi: ... |
| 06:54.36 | pygrammer | Guerin: yea |
| 06:54.38 | pygrammer | bob2: ok |
| 06:54.44 | eXa_bOy | why on earth would you want anything thats unstable? |
| 06:54.46 | pygrammer | lemme try this ... |
| 06:54.51 | yonkeltron | i just went to install mysql-server on my sarge box and it did not start because of a socket not being there. is this a known issue? |
| 06:54.55 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: this is a good question |
| 06:55.10 | Guerin | yonkeltron: ask the BTS |
| 06:55.15 | SimonRaven | @btssmite yonkeltron |
| 06:55.16 | Guerin | yonkeltron: I doubt it |
| 06:55.19 | bob2 | eXa_bOy: developers use it because tat's where it new packages go |
| 06:55.38 | dob1 | it is possible to use amavis and postfix configured as smart relay host to my isp's smtp ? |
| 06:55.42 | bob2 | yonkeltron: that seems unlikely for a default install of mysql-server |
| 06:55.46 | bob2 | dob1: yes |
| 06:55.57 | cheal | yonkeltron: how did you try to start it? |
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| 06:55.58 | eXa_bOy | yonkeltron ive had this issue. its cause mysql missed placing header files in the right place/ |
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| 06:56.27 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: what? |
| 06:56.32 | yonkeltron | cheal: dpkg tried to start it and gave me an error. then i tried with /etc/init.d/mysql as is the custom..same error |
| 06:56.38 | SimonRaven | that made no sense |
| 06:56.49 | cheal | yonkeltron: ok |
| 06:56.51 | Guerin | yonkeltron: what specific error does it give? |
| 06:56.52 | bob2 | yonkeltron: and the error is...(#flood) |
| 06:56.55 | eXa_bOy | yes my bad different senario. |
| 06:56.56 | dob1 | bob2: i was trying to configure it, i use clamav as virus scanner, on amavis.conf at the clamav section it wants the clamav socket but i run it as a daemon, what i have to put there? |
| 06:57.16 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: you might consider not muddying the already-murky waters |
| 06:57.17 | yonkeltron | error pasted to flood |
| 06:57.44 | eXa_bOy | Guerin i said sorry. |
| 06:58.15 | dob1 | or if someone has a good tutorial for this is ok :) |
| 06:58.43 | bob2 | dob1: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ looks good |
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| 06:58.55 | yonkeltron | cheal: did that error tell you anything? |
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| 06:59.02 | Guerin | whee, only two of my four classes to go - in the first I get to watch a half a football match, and in the second I get to watch the other half |
| 06:59.05 | Guerin | sweet :) |
| 06:59.16 | cheal | yonkeltron: somewhat, but I can't help you |
| 06:59.20 | bob2 | haha |
| 06:59.21 | Guerin | oh... and I'm the teacher, not a student :) |
| 06:59.29 | bob2 | Guerin: helping them understand football commentary? |
| 06:59.35 | bob2 | I'd like some help with that sometime... |
| 06:59.49 | yonkeltron | bob2: any thoughts on the error? |
| 06:59.50 | Guerin | bob2: yeah, or at a minimum, the rules i taught them earlier in the week. |
| 07:00.01 | Guerin | rugby is a foreign language here |
| 07:00.07 | jm_ | rules? Koreans should be familiar with that, they play football |
| 07:00.15 | jm_ | ahh you don't mean football :) |
| 07:00.19 | bob2 | haha |
| 07:00.26 | Guerin | jm_: not FOOT football ... one of the egg-shaped versions |
| 07:00.29 | Guerin | jm_: yeah |
| 07:00.33 | bob2 | SBS (a tv station) has started refering to soccer as football here |
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| 07:00.37 | bob2 | which is pretty brave |
| 07:00.44 | Guerin | bob2: yeah, i reckon |
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| 07:00.53 | bob2 | yonkeltron: I'm not sure why mysql would be starting the client |
| 07:01.50 | Reilithion | stable is sarge and testing is etch right now, right? |
| 07:01.52 | pygrammer | bob2: k, i've pointed my apt to sid, updated, run apt-get -f install, and pointed it back to etch. i should run apt-get update again,r ight? it's giving me errors if i don't |
| 07:02.10 | streuner | Reilithion: yes |
| 07:02.23 | Guerin | pygrammer: yes |
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| 07:02.31 | bob2 | pygrammer: yes |
| 07:02.31 | pygrammer | Guerin: ok |
| 07:02.32 | Reilithion | then the people who sold me this laptop were pretty stupid or lazy. |
| 07:02.40 | jm_ | I wonder if I'll finish my upgrade to Sarge before Etch freezes |
| 07:02.40 | pygrammer | Guerin and bob2: thank you both very much |
| 07:03.01 | Guerin | jm_: haha. Still working on your fifth year of X server uptime? |
| 07:03.04 | pygrammer | ack |
| 07:03.08 | pygrammer | ok, more problems |
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| 07:03.22 | pygrammer | W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org testing Release: Could not execute /usr/bin/gpgv to verify signature (is gnupg installed?) |
| 07:03.22 | pygrammer | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: Could not execute /usr/bin/gpgv to verify signature (is gnupg installed?) |
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| 07:03.42 | bob2 | "(is gnupg installed?)" |
| 07:03.44 | jm_ | Guerin: naah, I rebooted about half a year ago, and then upgraded to Sarge, I guess I could upgrade on the fly, it's what I did in the past anyway |
| 07:03.46 | bob2 | also, W = warning |
| 07:03.46 | Guerin | pygrammer: that's not an error, it's a warning |
| 07:04.05 | streuner | pygrammer: you are NOT read to run unstable, just reinstall |
| 07:04.27 | streuner | s/read/ready/ |
| 07:04.29 | eXa_bOy | does anyone have experience getting auto responders working for sendmail? |
| 07:04.48 | jm_ | eXa_bOy: it's trivial with procmail, see procmail-lib for ready-made solutions |
| 07:05.01 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: no, nobody anywhere has. |
| 07:05.09 | pygrammer | streuner: i'm not running unstable |
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| 07:05.16 | midg3t | what command or file do i need to modify to make particular keycodes (in this case "save, undo, print, ...") buttons on my keyboard generate the Fx (F1, F2, ...) keycodes in a terminal. similar to what i could with xmodmap, but for terminals |
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| 07:05.48 | streuner | pygrammer: well, i have a Deja Vu, somebody said this to me yesterday.... |
| 07:05.54 | jm_ | midg3t: using 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:05.58 | eXa_bOy | Guerin you got something against me now? :( |
| 07:05.59 | midg3t | jm_: yes |
| 07:06.01 | Guerin | in terminal, you'd use ... loadcharkeys or sometihg |
| 07:06.14 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: no, you just asked a stupid question, and I have plenty against those |
| 07:06.24 | streuner | pygrammer: s(he) told its system doesn't running sid, its XP ;-) |
| 07:06.26 | eXa_bOy | as if its a stupid question/ |
| 07:06.27 | midg3t | showkeys will display the keycodes, then i need to remap their signals |
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| 07:06.51 | jm_ | midg3t: did you read 2.6 input faq? |
| 07:07.00 | midg3t | nope, will do |
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| 07:07.07 | wathek | lakcaj, hey guy are you there ? |
| 07:07.16 | bob2 | is it as fun as the 2.6 sata raid faq? |
| 07:07.43 | jm_ | hmm, I use Linux SATA status page for that, it's useful |
| 07:07.48 | pygrammer | Guerin and bob2 once again, sorry -- i jumped to conclusions |
| 07:08.00 | jm_ | and yes, it's not terribly useful, but it does have some hints for common problems |
| 07:08.08 | eXa_bOy | Guerin could you point me to somewhere were i can work it out for myself then? |
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| 07:08.24 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: jm_'s advice not good enough for you? |
| 07:08.42 | eXa_bOy | didnt see that... |
| 07:08.47 | bob2 | if you need to ask how to do something with sendmail, install postfix or exim |
| 07:09.06 | jm_ | that's one of the things that annoys me even more than people with stupid questions - the ones who refuse to read their screen |
| 07:09.29 | jm_ | then there are soem who do both ;) |
| 07:09.34 | eXa_bOy | OMG im going dislexic... jesus... i meant sendmail :P |
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| 07:09.50 | wathek | I've a prob when I try to compile an applicatio |
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| 07:10.33 | Reilithion | jm_: cheer up. at least they have the presence of mind to know that they have a question to ask, eh? |
| 07:10.34 | Guerin | !wayc wathek |
| 07:10.36 | dpkg | wathek: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 07:10.56 | wathek | dpkg, coz it doesn't exist on apt-get |
| 07:10.59 | jm_ | ;) |
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| 07:11.08 | wathek | dpkg, and I've to create a deb file from the source |
| 07:11.11 | wathek | dpkg, you see ? |
| 07:11.15 | jm_ | wathek: dpkg is a bot |
| 07:11.31 | wathek | :)) |
| 07:11.32 | wathek | ah ok |
| 07:11.35 | eXa_bOy | postfix not fucking sendmail... someone shootme./ |
| 07:11.38 | Reilithion | *smiles* I love bots. |
| 07:11.41 | wathek | Guerin, you see why |
| 07:11.49 | jm_ | wathek: what application is it? |
| 07:11.57 | wathek | ftp://194.143.150.149/detect-1.1.tar.bz2 |
| 07:12.00 | wathek | this one |
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| 07:12.04 | fuzza | hi all |
| 07:12.09 | jm_ | what does it do? |
| 07:12.10 | jetscreamer | bad answer |
| 07:12.25 | wathek | jm_, it's for detecting hardware |
| 07:12.35 | jm_ | wathek: why would you need that? kernel does it for you |
| 07:12.45 | jetscreamer | why are you recreating the wheel |
| 07:12.56 | jetscreamer | we have a couple wheels in stock |
| 07:13.05 | Guerin | one's called 'discover' |
| 07:13.11 | Guerin | another one is 'hotplug' |
| 07:13.23 | jm_ | kudzu ;) |
| 07:13.37 | jetscreamer | (not that i love dishotcoverplug) but that's another story |
| 07:13.40 | eXa_bOy | whats the best way to get auto-responders working for postfix? (sorry for reasking) |
| 07:14.00 | Bhaal | Anyone know who is maintaining kdelibs4 for sid? |
| 07:14.03 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: FUCKING READ THE ANSWER YOU GOT ALREADY YOU IMBECILE |
| 07:14.04 | jm_ | eXa_bOy: same as for sendmail |
| 07:14.04 | jetscreamer | dishot plugcover? |
| 07:14.12 | eXa_bOy | ok thank you |
| 07:14.16 | jetscreamer | baby proof |
| 07:14.16 | Reilithion | and the beauties of HAL |
| 07:14.23 | mwilson | Bhaal: Anyone who bothers to look does. |
| 07:14.31 | jm_ | BhaalWK: yes, many people do |
| 07:14.41 | Guerin | !maint kdelibs4 |
| 07:14.59 | jetscreamer | mwilson: you don't care who you lart eh :) |
| 07:15.03 | Bhaal | Okey, just hoping one of them was here... Big screw up with dependancies with sid... |
| 07:15.03 | Guerin | <dpkg> Package 'kdelibs4' does not exist. |
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| 07:15.16 | SimonRaven | Bhaal: we know |
| 07:15.21 | ledet | Maintainer: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org> |
| 07:15.22 | Guerin | Bhaal: that's what sid is like |
| 07:15.23 | wathek | jm_, so what can I do |
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| 07:15.33 | mwilson | Bhaal: So? Welcome to unstable. |
| 07:15.48 | jetscreamer | bhaal, buddy |
| 07:15.51 | jm_ | wathek: well find out the cause for the error and fix it |
| 07:15.52 | Bhaal | *sigh* Quit it with the sarcasm guys... |
| 07:15.58 | jetscreamer | (line from sg1) |
| 07:16.00 | Guerin | Bhaal: no, it's not sarcasm. |
| 07:16.02 | Bhaal | I know what SID is... Been running it for fricken years |
| 07:16.15 | mwilson | jetscreamer: Anyone who can't figure out who the maintainer is from the umpteen ways that're provided has no reason to need to know who the maintainer is. |
| 07:16.18 | Guerin | Bhaal: it really is like that, and it really is broken, and it really is being fixed |
| 07:16.18 | Bhaal | But never had so many problems as I have had these past few months... |
| 07:16.19 | wathek | jm_, lakcaj has compiled it and it works well on his computer |
| 07:16.20 | jm_ | so wait until it's fixed or fix it and send patches |
| 07:16.25 | mwilson | Bhaal: So? |
| 07:16.32 | jm_ | wathek: that doesn't say much about the error |
| 07:16.40 | dondelelcaro | Bhaal: you must have forgotten what sid is like right after a release. |
| 07:16.48 | Bhaal | mwilson: I was just wondering if there is a quick way to get around it till the fixes come out... |
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| 07:16.59 | Guerin | Bhaal: but there's currently a kde version upgrade and a c++ abi transition taking place in sid, which is complicating matters |
| 07:17.02 | plop | hi all |
| 07:17.03 | dondelelcaro | we've got 2 huge transitions and a set of minor ones going on; that's bound to cause things to break |
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| 07:17.09 | Guerin | Bhaal: don't run kde -> problem solved |
| 07:17.10 | mwilson | Bhaal: There is. Don't use unstable. |
| 07:17.20 | jetscreamer | Bhaal: it's not quick, but it is possible to get the dependencies fulfilled... or was a week ago for me with my package list |
| 07:17.30 | Reilithion | lol. i like Guerin's solution |
| 07:17.37 | Bhaal | jetscreamer: Thank you, the first reasonable answer... |
| 07:17.42 | streuner | C++ ABI- & X.org-Transition |
| 07:17.53 | jetscreamer | i just noted what i needed and went to find it on pdo |
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| 07:17.58 | mwilson | Bhaal: No, actually, they were all reasonable answers. |
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| 07:18.07 | Guerin | jetscreamer's is the hard way |
| 07:18.19 | ledet | or get the source package and mess with the dependencies by hand... (scary) |
| 07:18.27 | Guerin | but hell, if you're THAT tied to kde, there's likely not much hope for you anyhow |
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| 07:18.36 | TobiX | Hi! |
| 07:18.43 | streuner | Guerin: haha |
| 07:18.49 | jetscreamer | i believe i got kdelibs4 deps fulfilled |
| 07:18.56 | Reilithion | Guerin: You've got me curious, now. What's your opinioin on GNOME? |
| 07:18.57 | jetscreamer | i like k3b |
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| 07:19.10 | jetscreamer | but that was a week ago, coulda changed |
| 07:19.16 | Guerin | Reilithion: All hail the new king, same as the old king? |
| 07:19.29 | mwilson | Bhaal: You're not guaranteed that unstable will BOOT at any given time, let alone be usable. Deal with it. |
| 07:19.34 | Guerin | anyway, I'm about to go watch the mighty All Blacks triumph at the House of Pain |
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| 07:19.41 | Guerin | l8rz d00dz |
| 07:19.45 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 07:19.58 | Reilithion | l8rs, Guerin |
| 07:20.02 | TobiX | OK, i wrote a small script that graphs the "waits-for" dependicies for the packages migrating to testing... Graphviz draws a big black blob of nodes... |
| 07:20.03 | wathek | jm_, please can you look at the error http://channels.debian.net/paste/614 |
| 07:20.19 | wathek | jm_, I think that a librairy is missing |
| 07:20.23 | wathek | or something like |
| 07:20.36 | plop | anybody willing to help me setup a basic openswan vpn ? |
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| 07:21.15 | Bhaal | mwilson: Okey... Sorry, bad wording... The first response which may have offered some hint of helpfulness that wasnt just an immediate putdown |
| 07:21.21 | SimonRaven | see ya you ol' magpie |
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| 07:21.51 | Bhaal | mwilson: Sorry for the slow response, I had to re-write my auto-kline script so I could take care of some of this newest irc spam... |
| 07:21.58 | streuner | Bhaal: if something doesn't work just switch, if X doesn't work run Y - there are enough alternatives in sid... |
| 07:22.22 | dondelelcaro | or just hold back packages or use snapshot.debian.net to install old versions, or... the list goes on. |
| 07:22.26 | mwilson | streuner: But he runs KDE, so he won't know how to do that. |
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| 07:22.40 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: that's a bit uncalled for too. |
| 07:22.41 | sjeal | know of any program that uses free-handwriting for login? |
| 07:22.46 | SimonRaven | Bhaal: C++ transition has fucked a lot of stuff. kde is full of C++. capiche? a lot of other stuff has been held back because of glibc, gcc 4, C++ ABI transition... |
| 07:22.52 | Laibsch | Hi, I am trying to setup a TFT display with my Thinkpad X20 running Debian Testing. Analog works fine. DVI shows nothing. Any changes necessary to the XFREE86 config? |
| 07:22.53 | Bhaal | mwilson: Very uncalled for... |
| 07:23.13 | mwilson | dondelecaro: DE users are usually stuck once you break their preferred DE. |
| 07:23.26 | jetscreamer | mwilson is an equal opportunity ... hmmm what do you call that, what he does... |
| 07:23.27 | jm_ | wathek: does it include <locale.h> ? |
| 07:23.30 | jetscreamer | but he's ok |
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| 07:23.35 | Bhaal | mwilson: I like KDE okey.. Whats your problem with that?!?! |
| 07:23.42 | Reilithion | mwilson: enlighten us. what do you use? |
| 07:23.47 | dondelelcaro | Bhaal: please don't escalate the situtation. |
| 07:23.50 | streuner | Bhaal: you have a problem |
| 07:23.53 | mwilson | Did I say there was a problem with your liking KDE? |
| 07:23.59 | Bhaal | streuner: Well yes, yes I do... |
| 07:24.04 | streuner | Bhaal: hm |
| 07:24.25 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 07:24.39 | SimonRaven | Bhaal: the longest to sort out seems to be the c++ abi transition and glibc |
| 07:24.59 | wathek | jm_, no |
| 07:25.01 | sjeal | which is more popular? kde or gnome? |
| 07:25.06 | jm_ | wathek: so make it do that |
| 07:25.12 | dondelelcaro | sjeal: visit popcon to find out |
| 07:25.25 | cheal | sjeal: KDE |
| 07:25.27 | dondelelcaro | !tell sjeal -about popcon |
| 07:25.28 | SimonRaven | good answer |
| 07:25.40 | jelly | dondelelcaro: what package to look for? |
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| 07:25.46 | mwilson | Man, why do people allow popcorn on their boxen, anyway? |
| 07:25.51 | jetscreamer | sjeal: install both |
| 07:25.56 | dondelelcaro | jelly: package for what? |
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| 07:26.12 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: if you don't care who knows what you've got installed, it's not a big deal. |
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| 07:26.19 | jelly | dondelelcaro: on popcon, to see which of the two DEs is more popular |
| 07:26.28 | jetscreamer | sjeal: then figure out which you like |
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| 07:26.39 | dondelelcaro | jelly: http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 07:26.50 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Most of these people would freak if something like Gator that did the same thing was installed on their Windows boxen, yet they do it deliberately on Linux. |
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| 07:26.55 | jetscreamer | i thought it was popCorn |
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| 07:27.18 | jetscreamer | ahhh popularity contest |
| 07:27.28 | jetscreamer | i remember that being installed with base |
| 07:27.30 | wathek | jm_, same error I've added include <local.h> on detect.c but it still the same error |
| 07:27.45 | jm_ | wathek: locale.h |
| 07:27.51 | mwilson | Yeah... the idea that it's someone's business other than your own what you have installed on your box. |
| 07:27.53 | Reilithion | mwilson: Not to be pushy or anything, but how about an answer to my question? What do you use? |
| 07:27.57 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: the difference being that the latter actually *asks* you if it's ok to send the information, and explains exactly what it's doing |
| 07:27.57 | jetscreamer | (many moons ago) |
| 07:28.01 | jelly | dondelelcaro: I know what and where it is. Since you suggested it as a solution to finding out which of thw two (KDE,Gnome) is more popular, I assume you know which package to look for in there? |
| 07:28.09 | mwilson | Reilithion: What do I use for what? |
| 07:28.09 | sjeal | dondelelcaro, visited popcon, tons of statistics there, with graphs, which one to look up on kde vs gnome? |
| 07:28.09 | wathek | jm_, ooops ok |
| 07:28.13 | wathek | jm_, I'm sorry |
| 07:28.14 | wathek | :p |
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| 07:28.31 | SimonRaven | jelly: hmm, gnome-session and th kde equivalent would be a start |
| 07:28.33 | dondelelcaro | jelly: http://popcon.debian.org/main/gnome/by_inst and http://popcon.debian.org/main/kde/by_inst should give you some sort of an idea |
| 07:28.38 | Reilithion | mwilson: your end-result user interface. is it graphical, or are you a console all-the-way guy? |
| 07:28.47 | jetscreamer | that would just be 'popular in debian' wouldn't it |
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| 07:29.16 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: well, popular amongst people who have installed popcon and run Debian, yes. |
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| 07:29.23 | wathek | jm_, that's alright |
| 07:29.23 | wathek | :D |
| 07:29.24 | jetscreamer | ah yeah that too |
| 07:29.28 | wathek | jm_, it works now thanx a lot |
| 07:29.29 | wathek | :D |
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| 07:30.01 | TobiX | I would suggest kdelibs and libgnome2 :) |
| 07:30.05 | jelly | dondelelcaro: Eh, but I have neither "kde" nor "gnome" metapackages installed, but sometimes use kde. Oh well, it's as good a guess as any. |
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| 07:30.08 | jm_ | wathek: tell the author to fix it |
| 07:30.14 | wathek | jm_, yea I'll do |
| 07:30.14 | wathek | :D |
| 07:30.18 | dondelelcaro | jelly: eh? did you actually look at those pages? |
| 07:30.21 | jetscreamer | jelly: you can mix&match |
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| 07:30.32 | jetscreamer | use what you like, leave the rest |
| 07:30.33 | SimonRaven | i bet he's a s3kr3t admirer of gnome... or whichever one he lambastes the most ;P |
| 07:30.34 | mwilson | Reilithion: On some boxen here, there's a GUI, on others, there is not, and on still others, they are headless and the only interface is via ssh. |
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| 07:31.35 | Reilithion | mwilson: sounds pretty utilitarian. |
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| 07:31.55 | Reilithion | software is only as good as what it can accomplish for you, after all. |
| 07:31.58 | mwilson | Reilithion: Sounds appropriate to the need, actually. |
| 07:31.59 | jetscreamer | another thing: why cant the damn files be sorted better? having 50 billion files in one dir is kinda anti-grok. |
| 07:32.22 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: which files? |
| 07:32.35 | jetscreamer | most... lemme go make a short list |
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| 07:32.57 | jelly | dondelelcaro: I lose, I haven't checked them. |
| 07:33.00 | jetscreamer | better idea, let me refine that thought |
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| 07:33.36 | Reilithion | mwilson: that's more or less what I was trying to say. |
| 07:33.38 | dondelelcaro | jelly: well, go ahead and check them and become enlightened. |
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| 07:34.30 | mwilson | Reilithion: Well, I hope you got whatever answer you were fishing for. |
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| 07:34.38 | jetscreamer | like why do i need all these dh_* in /usr/bin, why cant it be sorted more like /usr/bin/dh_ ... along those lines is what i mean. |
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| 07:35.03 | jetscreamer | grokability |
| 07:35.06 | Laibsch | How do I activate DVI output to a TFT display? Anything special I need to set or should it "just work"? |
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| 07:35.37 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: dh_ is part of debhelper... |
| 07:35.39 | Reilithion | mwilson: the hook is still in the water. It just seems to me that you seem rather scornful of desktop environments. I was wondering what, in your opinion, was a superior choice? |
| 07:35.44 | Fireball | it should "jsut work" since you won't be able to access bios without it ... |
| 07:36.10 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: and /usr/bin/ is pretty much always going to be stuck with a few billion files |
| 07:36.19 | Fireball | when loading the gpu drivers it might need a little hint though *g* |
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| 07:36.51 | dondelelcaro | Reilithion: for many of us, the superior choice is no DE; a command line and a ton of xterms is much preferable |
| 07:37.03 | jetscreamer | dondelelcaro: a cleaner 'tree' is what i guess i mean |
| 07:37.09 | Laibsch | Fireball: Unfortunately it does not. Analog works fine though. |
| 07:37.24 | ke6isf | jetscreamer: Sounds like what you want is something along the lines of mc. |
| 07:37.32 | Fireball | Laibsch: u don't see any bios there when booting ? |
| 07:37.37 | SimonRaven | mc rox |
| 07:37.41 | ke6isf | !u |
| 07:37.41 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:37.44 | plop | rox rox |
| 07:37.46 | jetscreamer | ke6isf: what i want i'd probably have to do lfs for |
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| 07:37.54 | jetscreamer | not a file manager, but where the files are |
| 07:38.03 | ke6isf | jetscreamer: lfs? |
| 07:38.08 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: FHS you mean? |
| 07:38.11 | jetscreamer | linux from scratch |
| 07:38.20 | jelly | jetscreamer: uninstall everything you don't need? ;-) |
| 07:38.24 | dondelelcaro | oh |
| 07:38.34 | jetscreamer | jelly: i don't need debhelper? :) |
| 07:38.37 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: the alternative is to do manic things to PATH |
| 07:38.42 | jethro | morning |
| 07:38.51 | mwilson | Reilithion: You can fish all you like, you're not going to get a more appropriate answer than the one you already have. |
| 07:38.56 | Laibsch | Fireball: Not when connected via DVI, only via analog. |
| 07:38.56 | dondelelcaro | (and LD_LIBRARY_PATH and... basically insanity) |
| 07:38.57 | jetscreamer | it's just kinda 'messy' |
| 07:38.57 | sjeal | In the login screen session menu, whenever i choose 'gnome', a nautilus screen came up and that's it, it won't respond to any input. what's wrong? |
| 07:38.58 | SimonRaven | early morning |
| 07:38.59 | plop | anybody knowinf of a good doc about setting up an ipsec vpn ? |
| 07:39.01 | jelly | jetscreamer: Unless you're a maintainer, I guess not. |
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| 07:39.09 | ke6isf | oh my God in the morning. |
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| 07:39.17 | SimonRaven | ke6isf: hehe |
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| 07:39.22 | EdLin | mwilson: YHBT |
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| 07:40.03 | dondelelcaro | what an entirely useless observation |
| 07:40.07 | Laibsch | Fireball: Thank you for your answer. I'll try a reboot. |
| 07:40.08 | jetscreamer | sjeal: when i have problems like that, i delete ~/.g* usually... but if you have .gftp that's not good, so i go to .gn* and .gs* |
| 07:40.29 | jetscreamer | mine? |
| 07:40.30 | SimonRaven | dondelelcaro: what is? "YHBT"? |
| 07:40.36 | dondelelcaro | SimonRaven: yes |
| 07:40.42 | SimonRaven | *nods* |
| 07:40.45 | jelly | You Have Been Trolled |
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| 07:40.52 | EdLin | !jelly++ |
| 07:41.00 | SimonRaven | i know what it means |
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| 07:41.05 | jetscreamer | i didn't |
| 07:41.13 | sjeal | jetscreamer, i would like to first check if gnome is installed, how to tell? |
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| 07:41.36 | jetscreamer | sjeal: dpkg -l |grep -i gnome i guess |
| 07:41.36 | plop | sjeal, dkg --get-selections "gnome" |
| 07:41.46 | jetscreamer | or what plop said |
| 07:41.48 | jelly | SimonRaven: in the context, I assume the person mwilson had been trying to help was not really looking for help? |
| 07:42.10 | SimonRaven | jelly: no s/he was asking what kind of ui he uses |
| 07:42.13 | dondelelcaro | you have bad teeth; your head beating table; yelling, he broke trees... |
| 07:42.17 | plop | sjeal, dkg --get-selections "gnome*" is better |
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| 07:42.26 | EdLin | he described what he was doing as "fishing" and "having the hook in the water", sounds a bit trollish |
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| 07:42.41 | mwilson | jelly: And didn't find the answer he got sufficient. |
| 07:42.41 | jetscreamer | when i beat my head on the desk, i aim for the corner |
| 07:42.51 | SimonRaven | ouch |
| 07:43.20 | jelly | EdLin: in the original meaning. |
| 07:43.45 | jetscreamer | sjeal: you can have gnome packages installed w/o having the entire gnome metapackage and all it's dependencies installed |
| 07:43.56 | jelly | Oh well. KDE's better anyway. <g> |
| 07:43.57 | dondelelcaro | the only issue with --get-selections is that it assumes that you've indicated that the package in question be installed; you don't necessarily to have selected the package to have it installed |
| 07:44.03 | sjeal | plop, i just got a prompt back. |
| 07:44.07 | ke6isf | EdLin: More like suitspeak. |
| 07:44.08 | Reilithion | !start a de flamewar |
| 07:44.12 | EdLin | jelly: as Louis Carrol said, when I say a word it means exactly what I say it means |
| 07:44.15 | plop | sjeal, try "gnome*" |
| 07:44.16 | jetscreamer | !start a wm war |
| 07:44.16 | dpkg | CDE sucks! |
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| 07:44.46 | plop | dondelelcaro, can you be a bit more clear ? |
| 07:44.49 | EdLin | ke6isf: suitspeak? |
| 07:45.08 | jetscreamer | exec-talk? |
| 07:45.13 | sjeal | plop, i tried dpkg --get-selections "gnome" |
| 07:45.21 | jetscreamer | sjeal: the * |
| 07:45.24 | jetscreamer | gnome* |
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| 07:45.41 | EdLin | jetscreamer: I know what it means, I'm wondering what he's refering to. (That sounds familiar, doesn't it.) |
| 07:46.11 | jetscreamer | EdLin: i was guessing as to what it means, i also didn't/don't know what that one is |
| 07:46.20 | jetscreamer | and there is more deja vu |
| 07:46.21 | sjeal | jetscreamer, even without the ", i still got only the prompt back. |
| 07:46.30 | plop | sjeal, minde the * |
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| 07:46.37 | jetscreamer | sjeal: "gnome*" |
| 07:46.51 | plop | on va y arriver ... |
| 07:46.51 | dondelelcaro | plop: nevermind, I'm thinking about something else here. |
| 07:46.59 | jetscreamer | i have a better idea sjeal |
| 07:47.03 | jetscreamer | use a package manager |
| 07:47.06 | jetscreamer | and see |
| 07:47.11 | EdLin | sjeal: actually, 'gnome' is better, just in case you have a file that matches gnome* in your directory. :-) |
| 07:47.12 | jelly | EdLin: You got your literal references down pat |
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| 07:48.01 | EdLin | I mean 'gnome*' |
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| 07:48.27 | EdLin | jelly: in other words, I know what I'm talking about. ;-) |
| 07:48.35 | plop | so nobody here for my ipsec problem ? |
| 07:48.40 | sjeal | i have tried, "gnome*", got some packages, some are 'purge', some 'deinstall'. why are they still listed, are they still in the system? |
| 07:49.10 | plop | sjeal, if they are not marked "install" they ar not there |
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| 07:49.25 | plop | they have been uninstalled |
| 07:49.34 | Rucas | can anyone tell me what asteria.debian.org is? |
| 07:49.48 | blastnost | having a prob booting debian - computer hangs at the following during boot sequence - runit: leave stage: /etc/runit/ , followed immediately by -runit: enter stage: /etc/runit/ 2 <-any clues? |
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| 07:50.23 | sjeal | so my system got a mix of gnome and kde packages, which is common? |
| 07:51.06 | EdLin | sjeal: it's common if you install them |
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| 07:51.31 | sjeal | this bring up another matter. gnome and kde don't always work together, right? |
| 07:51.45 | ke6isf | Rucas: According to dig, it doesn't exist. |
| 07:52.02 | EdLin | sjeal: they work togeather OK, even cut and paste works now. KDE apps though take a long time to start up if you're not in KDE. |
| 07:52.26 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 07:52.27 | sjeal | i have been trying out a 'gnome on-screen keyboard' or gok, and it does not work will with kde editor. |
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| 07:52.43 | tengulre | which web site is Linux Documents Project?? |
| 07:52.44 | sjeal | s/will/well |
| 07:52.45 | Dazgar1 | hi |
| 07:52.50 | jetscreamer | tldp.org |
| 07:52.51 | EdLin | sjeal: that uses parts of the GNOME API that are not likely replicated. |
| 07:53.00 | jetscreamer | tengulre: ^^ |
| 07:53.04 | ke6isf | !tell tengulre -about ldp |
| 07:53.08 | Dazgar1 | how to solve this king of error please ? : "libtool: link: only absolute run-paths are allowed" |
| 07:53.19 | Dazgar1 | im trying to compile planner from source |
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| 07:53.54 | Dazgar1 | am using libtool 1.5.6 |
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| 07:54.20 | XefseeE | anyone awake in here? |
| 07:54.24 | tengulre | jetscreamer,thanks, but I can't open it! |
| 07:54.26 | streuner | no |
| 07:54.38 | ke6isf | XefseeE: No, I'm asleep. Leave a message at the tone. *BEEP* |
| 07:54.40 | streuner | Do Sep 1 09:54:39 CEST 2005 |
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| 07:55.30 | streuner | dpkg, ask |
| 07:55.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:55.33 | jetscreamer | tengulre: try http://www.tldp.org/ then |
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| 07:55.45 | jetscreamer | works here |
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| 07:56.17 | sjeal | Edlin, thanks. i was also using xvkbd, a X virtual keyboard, and that seems to be more versatile. I believe it is because it uses lower level X libs. |
| 07:56.23 | tengulre | jetscreamer, yes! can't open. |
| 07:56.25 | XefseeE | anyone know where i can find a debian package for pitfdll for totem |
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| 07:56.38 | jetscreamer | tengulre: it's jsut you, works here. |
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| 07:56.52 | streuner | XefseeE: if you running ubuntu, /msg nickserv help and register your nick. |
| 07:57.05 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:57.05 | dpkg | methinks qotd80 is <toresbe> Holy shit! <toresbe> My Ultra 1 is streaming kernel panics! <toresbe> oh crap - It's the BSOD screensaver <toresbe> I fall for that motherfucker every time |
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| 07:57.48 | Eclipser | hehe |
| 07:57.54 | tengulre | jetscreamer: oh! maybe it have some problem from Asia.. |
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| 07:58.24 | sjeal | XefseeE, i was awake, now i am going to sleep. bye. |
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| 07:59.05 | jethro | !tell XefseeE -about search |
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| 07:59.22 | Faithful | Anyone have 1st hand experience with OpenSSI? |
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| 07:59.31 | ke6isf | !polls |
| 07:59.32 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 07:59.48 | BriajWrk | hi all |
| 07:59.55 | Reilithion | Militant badgers! |
| 07:59.58 | tengulre | jetscreamer: I have another problem. why I have many threads like '[kjournald]' in momery. can i kill it? |
| 07:59.58 | Faithful | OK |
| 08:00.03 | Reilithion | That sounds cute! I want one! |
| 08:00.17 | ke6isf | Reilithion: Oh, they're not for sale. |
| 08:00.33 | Faithful | I want to talk with someone 1st hand experience with OpenSSI? |
| 08:00.36 | Reilithion | ok... can I rent a fertile couple, then? |
| 08:00.37 | ke6isf | tengulre: If you kill kjournald, bad things happen. |
| 08:00.39 | jetscreamer | tengulre: beyond me, but i would say 'no' |
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| 08:00.42 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
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| 08:01.00 | jetscreamer | tengulre: what you may want to care about is the non-sleeping processes |
| 08:01.07 | jetscreamer | s/is/are/ |
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| 08:01.21 | ke6isf | Reilithion: Well... dunno, but I get the feeling that they're sensitive about their mushrooms. |
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| 08:01.28 | ke6isf | OK, there's a joke that doesn't carry over. |
| 08:01.56 | Reilithion | and their snakes. |
| 08:02.06 | ke6isf | !tell Faithful -about ask |
| 08:02.16 | jetscreamer | mushrooms is probably some weird testicle name |
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| 08:03.03 | jetscreamer | so i guess Reilithion 'gets it' |
| 08:03.16 | ke6isf | jetscreamer: Well... it's not the testicles that are mushroom shaped.... |
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| 08:03.22 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 08:03.22 | Faithful | ke6isf: Obviously you don't have experience with OpenSSI. |
| 08:03.25 | Reilithion | so I guess jetscreamer 'doesn't' |
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| 08:03.37 | jetscreamer | no i dont... and proud of it |
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| 08:03.50 | jetscreamer | :) btw |
| 08:04.11 | ke6isf | Faithful: You win a kewpie doll. Now just ask the channel as to what you're trying to do, rather than asking the obscure questions. IOW, follow dpkg's instructions. |
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| 08:05.28 | Reilithion | !tell jetscreamer -about badgers |
| 08:05.37 | Faithful | The question I asked (accused of polling) is not as if I asked "Is anyone using Debian... I have a question..." |
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| 08:05.59 | ke6isf | *sigh* |
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| 08:06.03 | ke6isf | !ask faithful |
| 08:06.08 | ke6isf | ok, that doesn't work. |
| 08:06.09 | ke6isf | !ask |
| 08:06.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:06.11 | jetscreamer | Faithful: the idea is ask your specific question, don't ask if somebody uses something |
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| 08:06.39 | Reilithion | ke6isf: it really seems like it should work, doesn't it? |
| 08:07.10 | ke6isf | Reilithion: One would think. |
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| 08:07.21 | jetscreamer | make it so |
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| 08:07.31 | Reilithion | Yes, captain. |
| 08:07.49 | knt | hi all, when i try to su, it dumps "you are not authorized to su root." error. any ideas? (user exists in wheel group and SU_WHEEL_ONLY is yes in login.defs. also, i'm not using pam.) |
| 08:08.02 | jetscreamer | we have a wheel group? |
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| 08:08.18 | ke6isf | knt: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 08:08.27 | jetscreamer | knt: /etc/sudoers ? |
| 08:08.44 | jetscreamer | and adduser user sudo ? |
| 08:08.44 | Reilithion | !wheel |
| 08:08.45 | dpkg | somebody said wheel was n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. A person who has an active wheel bit (A privilege bit that allows the possessor to perform some restricted operation on a timesharing system like TENEX/TOPS-20/XEROX-IFS...). Irrelevant in debian default configs; don't use it unless you have a specific reason to do so. |
| 08:08.56 | jetscreamer | ahhhhh |
| 08:08.56 | knt | jetscreamer, i'm not using sudo. |
| 08:09.01 | jetscreamer | not a mouse wheel |
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| 08:09.25 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.30 | knt | ke6isf, a really modified (for an embedded system) debian. |
| 08:10.17 | ke6isf | *fold* |
| 08:10.40 | ke6isf | knt: Try logging in as root directly. Beyond that, sorry. |
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| 08:11.20 | Reilithion | When did you get added to the wheel group? Was it within the last login? |
| 08:11.28 | XefseeE | anyone know how to install gstreamer-pitfdll ?????? |
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| 08:11.43 | maq0r | hey guys |
| 08:11.48 | maq0r | I'm having some weird issue |
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| 08:11.53 | plop | i am trying to setup an openswan ipsec connection between 2 subnet. tunnel is apparently up and running, but ping from subnet to subnet dont work. any pointers ? |
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| 08:12.00 | maq0r | my var partition was full so I deleted some log files and rebooted |
| 08:12.01 | jethro | @annoy XefseeE |
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| 08:12.02 | ravenbird | XefseeE: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 08:12.10 | maq0r | now some programs can't find files in the partition even though they are there |
| 08:12.11 | maq0r | for example |
| 08:12.13 | Reilithion | !tell XefseeE -about gstreamer |
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| 08:12.17 | maq0r | cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 367: Resource temporarily unavailable |
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| 08:12.23 | maq0r | but crond.pid Is there and readable |
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| 08:12.32 | maq0r | mysql also can't find some databases |
| 08:12.34 | maq0r | but they are there |
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| 08:12.44 | ke6isf | maq0r: OK, what exactly did you delete? |
| 08:12.46 | plop | maq0r, check out file permissions |
| 08:12.55 | maq0r | access and error logs of apache |
| 08:12.56 | maq0r | that's it |
| 08:12.57 | maq0r | nothing else |
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| 08:13.09 | maq0r | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4 Sep 1 02:37 crond.pid |
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| 08:13.29 | ke6isf | maq0r: And more importantly, *why* did you delete them? Were you running out of disk space, or were there just a lot of files in /var/log? |
| 08:13.30 | fuzza | plop: you mean from one gateway to the other? I _believe_ that's normal with ipsec... the idea is to then setup a second one over the same link if you need to be able to do that. if that's not the problem, ignore me :) |
| 08:13.42 | maq0r | ke6isf they where over 4 gigabytes |
| 08:13.45 | plop | fuzza, i mean from subnet to subnet |
| 08:13.48 | maq0r | ke6isf each |
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| 08:14.13 | maq0r | ke6isf no kidding |
| 08:14.16 | plop | maq0r, you should really consider tuning loglevel and use lorgrotate |
| 08:14.27 | jinx`` | i want to use a cronjob for psybnc. how is it possible to start this service with a special user, not with root? |
| 08:14.32 | maq0r | Yep gonna do that, in the meantime, any ideas why is it happening? |
| 08:14.34 | fuzza | plop: hm, it should "just work"... check the routing I'd say (don't know too much, only setup one connection before) |
| 08:14.38 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: stop cron, delete the pid, then restart cron. |
| 08:14.39 | ke6isf | maq0r: I'm not even going to ask how they got that big, assuming they were rotated or trimmed. |
| 08:14.46 | maq0r | dondelelcaro how about mysql? same deal? |
| 08:14.55 | maq0r | mysql can't find some .MYD but they are there |
| 08:14.58 | fuzza | plop: does other routing work correctly? |
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| 08:15.00 | fireba11 | Subject: localhost 2005-09-01 09:02 Security Events |
| 08:15.00 | fireba11 | From: logcheck@localhost.localdomain |
| 08:15.00 | fireba11 | now how do i fix that ? |
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| 08:15.08 | plop | fuzza, yep, i suspect routing and|or firewall issues, but they seems good |
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| 08:15.31 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: fix your /etc/mailname and/or your /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname; /msg dpkg hostname |
| 08:15.32 | maq0r | dondelelcaro nope |
| 08:15.39 | maq0r | ./cron stop |
| 08:15.40 | maq0r | Stopping periodic command scheduler: cron. |
| 08:15.40 | plop | fuzza, well routing is working ( i was using openvpn before, and it was working perferctly ) |
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| 08:15.52 | maq0r | .Starting periodic command scheduler: cron. |
| 08:15.57 | maq0r | cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 622: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 08:16.12 | ke6isf | maq0r: Interesting, it changed pids. |
| 08:16.19 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: don't paste here; did you kill off cron? did killall cron; kill them all? |
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| 08:16.36 | fuzza | plop: hm, not sure beyond that :( |
| 08:16.39 | maq0r | yep |
| 08:16.41 | maq0r | no process killed |
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| 08:17.04 | maq0r | dondelelcaro ps aux | grep cron doesn't show cron either |
| 08:17.05 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: ok, what does mount return for the /var device? |
| 08:17.12 | Vibes | Hi! Is there a group ownership maximum plz? |
| 08:17.14 | dondelelcaro | s/device/partition/ |
| 08:17.17 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: thx |
| 08:17.20 | maq0r | ./dev/hda6 |
| 08:17.21 | ke6isf | maq0r: ps aux | grep 622 |
| 08:17.23 | dondelelcaro | Vibes: eh? |
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| 08:17.31 | maq0r | ke6isf nope ;p |
| 08:17.32 | ke6isf | Vibes: Clarify? |
| 08:17.35 | ricky_clarkson | Wow, did I get a compliment from greycat? |
| 08:17.35 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: uh... it'll return more than that. |
| 08:17.41 | ke6isf | maq0r: ... |
| 08:17.43 | ricky_clarkson | = 15:49:54 < greycat> and ricky_clarkson's (current qotd0) is much better. |
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| 08:17.52 | maq0r | 2 line paste |
| 08:17.53 | maq0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.53 | maq0r | mount: /dev/hda6 already mounted or /var busy |
| 08:17.54 | maq0r | mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda6 is already mounted on /var |
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| 08:17.56 | fireba11 | jup u did ^^ |
| 08:18.01 | maq0r | errr |
| 08:18.04 | ke6isf | maq0r: This is why you don't paste. |
| 08:18.05 | ricky_clarkson | I thought all greycat did was moan about bug reports that don't get acted on.. |
| 08:18.05 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: again, DO NOT PASTE HERE. |
| 08:18.09 | maq0r | I apologize |
| 08:18.17 | Vibes | sorry, french ;p I mean, how many groups a user can join plz |
| 08:18.18 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: mount|grep '/var/'; not mount /var |
| 08:18.19 | ricky_clarkson | maq0r: If you paste, you will become past. |
| 08:18.28 | dondelelcaro | s#/var/#/var#; |
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| 08:18.43 | maq0r | dondelelcaro Nothing |
| 08:18.54 | maq0r | mount | grep '/var/' that is |
| 08:18.59 | midg3t | methinks 4 billion in 2.6 and 65k in 2.4, but could well be wrong |
| 08:19.11 | maq0r | mount | grep var shows /dev/hda6 on /var type ext2 (rw) |
| 08:19.11 | fireba11 | = a lot :-) |
| 08:19.32 | midg3t | i'd hate to try to manage an /etc/group file with users in 4 billion groups |
| 08:19.34 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: ok, and can you echo 33 > /var/run/cron.pid; ? |
| 08:19.54 | maq0r | yes |
| 08:19.57 | maq0r | no errors returned |
| 08:20.03 | maq0r | file is empty |
| 08:20.44 | dondelelcaro | Vibes: depends on the setting of NGROUPS_MAX |
| 08:20.58 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: uh... if the file is empty, there's something seriously wrong there. |
| 08:21.13 | maq0r | didn't I just echo to it? |
| 08:21.41 | dondelelcaro | you echo'ed 33 to it if you did exactly what I told you to do... |
| 08:21.50 | dondelelcaro | 33\n to be precise... |
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| 08:21.54 | maq0r | yes sorry |
| 08:21.56 | maq0r | it says 33 |
| 08:22.12 | Vibes | dondelelcaro: is it a system general setting and where can I change it plz? |
| 08:22.41 | maq0r | dondelelcaro apparently, I can read and write to the partition but deamons like mysql or cron can'tt |
| 08:22.46 | dondelelcaro | Vibes: it's a kernel setting. |
| 08:22.47 | maq0r | mysql says he can't open the files |
| 08:22.57 | ricky_clarkson | maq0r: chmod o+w |
| 08:22.57 | maq0r | and just a particular file, and crond says the device is busy |
| 08:22.58 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: it's actually start-stop-daemon that is writing the pid, not cron |
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| 08:23.14 | midg3t | Vibes: /proc/sys/kernel/ngroups_max |
| 08:23.17 | ricky_clarkson | maq0r: Or man fstab |
| 08:23.22 | maq0r | Ok what do you guys suggest? |
| 08:23.26 | Vibes | dondelelcaro: do you mean I have to rebuild my kernel to change that? |
| 08:23.47 | dondelelcaro | Vibes: you may; I can't remember if it can be changed on the fly |
| 08:24.02 | dondelelcaro | Vibes: the other issue is that other tools may need to be rebuilt if you make it bigger. |
| 08:24.10 | midg3t | it can't be changed on the fly |
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| 08:24.18 | maq0r | ricky_clarkson I'm sorry what do you mean? |
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| 08:24.25 | midg3t | well, that file is mode 444 on my system anyway |
| 08:24.28 | wolfmx | hi people |
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| 08:24.33 | maq0r | dondelelcaro this is very odd |
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| 08:24.55 | Vibes | dondelelcaro: :\ ok thx |
| 08:24.59 | midg3t | it's always fun to run `du -sh /proc` |
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| 08:25.04 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: try strace -o temp start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/crond.pid --name cron --startas /usr/sbin/cron; to see what it's doing |
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| 08:25.35 | fireba11 | Vibes: uhm .. at least with my kernel its set to 65k .. why would u need more usergroups anyway ? |
| 08:25.38 | dondelelcaro | the temp file should give you some sort idea as to where the problem is. |
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| 08:25.49 | ricky_clarkson | maq0r: mysql runs as the user 'mysql' I think and cron runs as each user it has a crontab for. So you need to make sure that those users can write to the directory, which will either be mount options (fstab) or file permissions (chmod). I think. |
| 08:26.49 | Reilithion | 899M? |
| 08:26.50 | maq0r | dondelelcaro Tells me start-stop-daemon: signal value mus tbe numeric or name of signal |
| 08:26.52 | fireba11 | ricky_clarkson: cron starts the crontabs with the user it is told .. or its own if nothing is set i think |
| 08:26.59 | maq0r | ricky_clarkson yep they can |
| 08:27.10 | Reilithion | does that mean I have 899 megabytes of processes running right now? |
| 08:27.20 | maq0r | ricky_clarkson the issue came to happen when the partition became full and I deleted some apache access logs (that's the only thing I deleted I swear) |
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| 08:27.47 | dondelelcaro | Reilithion: no |
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| 08:27.57 | fireba11 | maq0r: next time truncate your logs to a dime :-) |
| 08:28.14 | Reilithion | dondelelcaro: ok, so what does du -sh /proc report? |
| 08:28.33 | dondelelcaro | Reilithion: the size of /proc; /proc has a crapload of things in it, like kcore. |
| 08:28.59 | Vibes | midg3t: I have no /proc/sys/kernel/ngroups_max :\ |
| 08:29.05 | Reilithion | ic. I think I need to read more about that. |
| 08:29.11 | dondelelcaro | Reilithion: man proc |
| 08:29.15 | Reilithion | thanks |
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| 08:29.37 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: eh? it shouldn't have given you that error, since that's the same invocation used in your init.d/cron |
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| 08:29.49 | fireba11 | Vibes: u got a old kernel ? |
| 08:29.53 | maq0r | I know I can't paste here, but yes that's what I get |
| 08:29.57 | maq0r | Sorry :( |
| 08:30.01 | Vibes | fireba11: 2.4.17 |
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| 08:30.07 | maq0r | I copied / pasted what you said |
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| 08:30.13 | Vibes | fireba11: 2.4.27 sorry |
| 08:30.20 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: use the paster bot to paste the output of your /etc/init.d/cron; and the precise command that you ran as well as the output. |
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| 08:30.24 | dondelelcaro | !tell maq0r -about paster |
| 08:30.29 | SimonRaven | woohoo i fixed my fucke video by starting up x again. sometimes when x exits, it fucks thevideo up, leaving coloured stripes. usually i reboot to fix it, but i figured out a way to fix it without rebooting. yay for me :) |
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| 08:30.31 | fireba11 | Viebs: anyway thats not that old .. |
| 08:30.42 | maq0r | wait go tit to work |
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| 08:30.43 | fireba11 | err .. ^^ |
| 08:30.47 | jethro | 22jej suis furax |
| 08:30.47 | jethro | elle m'a dit "niet" |
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| 08:30.50 | jethro | ooops |
| 08:30.53 | jethro | sorry |
| 08:30.56 | SimonRaven | ECHAN |
| 08:30.58 | maq0r | dondelelcaro I opened temp now, and it's really full off strange stuff |
| 08:30.59 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 08:31.43 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: yes, look at the last 1000 lines or so; that'll have what is going on in it. |
| 08:31.46 | jethro | SimonRaven: indeed :) |
| 08:31.55 | Vibes | fireba11: I have users in 100+ groups but when I type "groups user", it shows only 32 :x |
| 08:31.55 | maq0r | it says |
| 08:32.08 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: use the paster bot |
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| 08:32.17 | Reilithion | dondelelcaro: out of curiosity (and because I'm still a newb in ways), is there an easy command to find out how much ram is being used? |
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| 08:32.23 | dondelelcaro | Reilithion: free |
| 08:32.26 | maq0r | write * (2,/usr/sbin/cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, 100) = 100 |
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| 08:32.29 | fireba11 | Vibes: am curious ..why u got users in so many groups in the 1st place ? |
| 08:32.33 | maq0r | dondelelcaro You want me to paste the whole thing? |
| 08:32.36 | Reilithion | thanies |
| 08:32.40 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: probably best, yes. |
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| 08:32.43 | maq0r | Ok |
| 08:32.50 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: actually, first... do this: |
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| 08:32.59 | Vibes | fireba11: that's for file sharing in a big company |
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| 08:33.24 | fireba11 | Vibes: ah, k |
| 08:33.29 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: strace -f -o temp start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/crond.pid --name cron --startas /usr/sbin/cron; |
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| 08:33.39 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: that'll strace cron as well |
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| 08:34.00 | maq0r | ok dondelelcaro |
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| 08:34.01 | maq0r | 110 lines |
| 08:34.04 | maq0r | paste them there? |
| 08:34.04 | Vibes | fireba11: are you sure that by default I could use 65k groups per user? |
| 08:34.07 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: yes. |
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| 08:34.31 | dondelelcaro | Vibes: that's the hard limit as far as the kernel is concerned; NFS, filesystems, and pam may have lower limits |
| 08:34.31 | fireba11 | Vibes: checked the setting ny my new amchine .. kerne 2.6.8 something though |
| 08:34.34 | SimonRaven | Vibes: no. certain nss services have a max of 32 |
| 08:34.52 | fireba11 | ah.. |
| 08:35.03 | maq0r | dondelelcaro http://channels.debian.net/paste/615 |
| 08:35.15 | SimonRaven | unix has 32, nis has 16 iirc |
| 08:35.23 | fireba11 | damn .. can't type straight today ^^ |
| 08:35.37 | Reilithion | holy crap! how come i'm using so much memory! |
| 08:35.45 | Vibes | SimonRaven: Ok, thx |
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| 08:35.58 | SimonRaven | @free mem |
| 08:36.00 | maq0r | dondelelcaro As you can probably read it says (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| 08:36.06 | SimonRaven | @free memory |
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| 08:36.09 | maq0r | I don't get it, I can't access the file, read/write to it |
| 08:36.13 | maq0r | err I can |
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| 08:36.50 | Reilithion | oh |
| 08:37.31 | Reilithion | SimonRaven: it's !free memory, btw |
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| 08:38.39 | Reilithion | hehe |
| 08:38.43 | Lethias | I just did debian "sarge" net install on my laptop a Thinkpad T22. It didn't pickup my internal lan card. Anyway to manually do it? |
| 08:38.57 | ricky_clarkson | @ping |
| 08:38.58 | ravenbird | pong |
| 08:39.17 | midg3t | This is a great description of memory handling in Linux: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/free-mem.html |
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| 08:39.38 | ricky_clarkson | @bog off |
| 08:39.39 | ravenbird | I wish I could, but SimonRaven won't let me. |
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| 08:39.51 | midg3t | it prompted me to invest in what might seem like ludicrous amounts of RAM, but i know the kernel uses it wisely :) |
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| 08:41.02 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: right, the file is locked; I don't remember how to forcibly unlcok it |
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| 08:41.20 | maq0r | dondelelcaro how did it become locked? or is it normal cron behavior ? |
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| 08:41.28 | jonathans | can someone help me mount a 128meg pendrive in nicrevival dsl on a "nic2000"(64megs of ram no hd 200mh mII) please |
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| 08:41.53 | ma3x | hi, why always after a specific time, for eg. 2 hours my monitor shuts down? |
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| 08:42.32 | midg3t | jonathans: try `mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/yourdevice` - where /mnt/yourdevice is where you want it mounte |
| 08:42.33 | Reilithion | wtf is a reverse-polish calculator? |
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| 08:42.35 | midg3t | mounted |
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| 08:42.52 | Lethias | Need help getting my nic running on a Thinkpad T22 running Debian Sarge. |
| 08:42.54 | midg3t | Reilithion: wikipedia? it shows the symbol on the right, for a start. something like that |
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| 08:43.23 | ma3x | in the kde center it says 'your computer seems to have a partial acpi installation. acpi was properly enabled, but some of the suboptions were not - you need to enable at least 'AC adaptor' and 'Control method Battery' and then rebuild your kernel. |
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| 08:44.00 | SimonRaven | ricky_clarkson: try that again please? thanks |
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| 08:44.14 | jonathans | ok midg3t |
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| 08:44.32 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: your best bet is to use lsof to figure out what has a lock out on that file |
| 08:44.36 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: then kill it off |
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| 08:44.49 | ricky_clarkson | @ping |
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| 08:44.56 | ricky_clarkson | SimonRaven: I see what you did. |
| 08:44.57 | syntaxx | how to dpkg-reconfigure if the package is broken? |
| 08:44.57 | TwistedEmotions | VMWare I am trying to install is giving me kernel header load error... The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.11.10) does not match your running kernel (version 2.6.12-1-686-smp). Even if the module were to compile successfully, it would not load into the running kernel.Anyone know how to fix that error ^^^^?What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux |
| 08:44.58 | TwistedEmotions | /include] ? |
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| 08:45.16 | ricky_clarkson | !say @ping |
| 08:45.18 | dpkg | @ping |
| 08:45.19 | ravenbird | pong |
| 08:45.20 | jonathans | this live cd has 2 partitions(nicrevival dsl and bott cd 2005 dsl. how can i controle which one boots? |
| 08:45.21 | maq0r | dondelelcaro not familiar with losf, going to man it lol |
| 08:45.28 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: you should see something like cron 8401 root 3u REG 8,19 5 61720 /var/run/crond.pid |
| 08:46.05 | midg3t | syntaxx: apt-get -f install |
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| 08:46.31 | maq0r | dondelelcaro |
| 08:46.32 | maq0r | http://channels.debian.net/paste/616 |
| 08:46.37 | TwistedEmotions | I dont remember exactly but I could could have wrong last time someone just had me make a link from /usr/src/linux to somewhere... (where linux kernel headers are put by apt-get?) |
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| 08:47.23 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: yeah, so cron is actually running with pid 754 |
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| 08:47.30 | jonathans | i mean it boots to nicrevival half the time and boot cd 2005 seemingly randomly |
| 08:47.37 | neza_ | whats the diffrence between x86 and 386 iso |
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| 08:47.51 | Akbar | TwistedEmotions.. you should get kernel-source of the kernel you are running and compiling it for |
| 08:47.57 | midg3t | neza_: nothing. |
| 08:48.10 | midg3t | unless... |
| 08:48.13 | maq0r | dondelelcaro when I "cron" it shows 754 as the pid number |
| 08:48.16 | midg3t | no, i think nothing |
| 08:48.20 | maq0r | in the error message anyways |
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| 08:48.22 | Akbar | (version 2.6.11.10) <- headers, (version 2.6.12-1-686-smp)<- your kernel |
| 08:48.31 | neza_ | cause i have a celeron chip |
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| 08:48.38 | Akbar | you should get 2.6.12 kernel-source |
| 08:48.43 | midg3t | neza_: both will work |
| 08:48.44 | TwistedEmotions | Akbar: to get it to be vmware compatible is there some module I load? |
| 08:48.45 | neza_ | so i could download eather one versions |
| 08:48.59 | Akbar | dude |
| 08:49.16 | ma3x | in the kde center it says 'your computer seems to have a partial acpi installation. acpi was properly enabled, but some of the suboptions were not - you need to enable at least 'AC adaptor' and 'Control method Battery' and then rebuild your kernel. Now my monitor shuts down (i'm on laptop) always after a longer time idle. I don't have dpms in the XF86Config-4. So how can I disable this? |
| 08:49.21 | Akbar | you get the kernel source with the same version as your kernel |
| 08:49.23 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: yes, so ps -p 754; should show cron... |
| 08:49.26 | midg3t | neza_: yes |
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| 08:49.31 | syntaxx | midg3t: i try to dpkg-reconfigure samba it says samba is broken or not fully installed.. but when i try to apt-get -f install samba it says error encountered while processin samba |
| 08:49.35 | Akbar | then you compile the vmware modules onto those sources |
| 08:49.37 | maq0r | dondelelcaro correct |
| 08:49.46 | neza_ | thanx |
| 08:49.48 | Akbar | en then you can use those vmware modules in your current kernel |
| 08:49.54 | midg3t | syntaxx: just use `apt-get -f install` |
| 08:49.58 | TwistedEmotions | Akbar: yeah... that's my question... where do I find vmware modules? |
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| 08:50.01 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: then cron is running fine. |
| 08:50.13 | Akbar | from vmware :P |
| 08:50.14 | syntaxx | midg3t: i still have the same error |
| 08:50.14 | midg3t | if that fails, try dpkg --configure -a |
| 08:50.18 | maq0r | then why is it saying resource temporarily unavailable when I "cron" ? |
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| 08:50.26 | midg3t | apt and dpkg are pretty good about hinting how to fix things |
| 08:50.27 | apt | ...but and dpkg is already something else... |
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| 08:50.27 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: uh, because cron is already running |
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| 08:50.43 | SimonRaven | ~and dpkg |
| 08:50.44 | apt | i guess dpkg is a bot, or the low-level command to install and manipulate Debian package files (.debs). |
| 08:50.48 | dondelelcaro | you don't ever run cron itself |
| 08:50.59 | maq0r | mhm it wasn't running before |
| 08:51.04 | syntaxx | midg3t: still have the error =/ |
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| 08:51.12 | midg3t | what is the exact error |
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| 08:51.20 | ricky_clarkson | In soviet Russia.. |
| 08:51.22 | ricky_clarkson | !bash midg3t |
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| 08:51.37 | TwistedEmotions | does anyone know how to get /usr/src/linux to point to different place? I already apt-get install kernel-headers... just need to link it up.. |
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| 08:51.50 | SimonRaven | you don't need that symlink |
| 08:51.54 | midg3t | TwistedEmotions: unlink /usr/src/linux; ln -s <source> /usr/src/linux |
| 08:51.58 | ricky_clarkson | TwistedEmotions: headers!=source |
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| 08:52.13 | ricky_clarkson | != means "are not" ;) |
| 08:52.14 | SimonRaven | ln -si works nice too |
| 08:52.19 | syntaxx | midg3t: /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba.postinst: line 149: /etc/samba/smbpasswd: No such file or directory |
| 08:52.23 | dondelelcaro | blech. DON'T USE /usr/src/linux. Only broken shite does that; |
| 08:52.40 | maq0r | dondelelcaro I'm sorry that I wasted your time, I was pretty sure cron wasn't running |
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| 08:52.43 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: np |
| 08:52.44 | maq0r | still am |
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| 08:52.49 | maq0r | dondelelcaro I appreciate the help |
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| 08:53.08 | maq0r | I'm now trying to fix some mysql tables hehe |
| 08:53.16 | Tuttle_ | I use debian mozille thunderbird package and am not able to upgrade any of the extensions - either with Install button in Extensions dialog or view the Update button... how to upgrade for example Enigmail? |
| 08:53.23 | midg3t | syntaxx: how about apt-get install --reinstall samba |
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| 08:53.40 | robertbb | is modconf a debian-only utility? |
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| 08:54.00 | dondelelcaro | Tuttle_: just apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail |
| 08:54.01 | Reilithion | So I'm only really using 198 megabytes, and the rest is cached files that linux will shove out of memory if RAM demand suddenly goes up |
| 08:54.04 | Reilithion | right? |
| 08:54.13 | dondelelcaro | Reilithion: if that's what free says, yes. |
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| 08:54.22 | Reilithion | coolies |
| 08:54.26 | Reilithion | just making sure I understand |
| 08:54.28 | syntaxx | midg3t: same error =/ |
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| 08:54.31 | ricky_clarkson | Reilithion: dict coolie |
| 08:54.33 | midg3t | Reilithion: exactly |
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| 08:55.03 | midg3t | to understand how much ram is really being used by processes, look at the +- buffers/cache line of `free` |
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| 08:55.27 | midg3t | linux is intelligent about writing data to swap, too |
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| 08:55.57 | midg3t | syntaxx: does your box have sshd running? |
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| 08:56.12 | Reilithion | ricky_clarkson: unskilled laborers from Asia? |
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| 08:56.22 | ukh | jm_: for what it's worth, lftp linked w/ gnutls exhibits the same problems using proftpd too, so it's probably not a vsftpd issue |
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| 08:56.39 | ricky_clarkson | Reilithion: Yeah, also used like the n* word, or the p* word.. |
| 08:56.44 | syntaxx | midg3t: none |
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| 08:56.53 | jonathans | midg3t: i typed mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbpen1 in xterminal and then emelfm and both said only root can doo that. |
| 08:56.58 | Reilithion | That a fact? I'll be more careful with it, then. |
| 08:57.07 | midg3t | jonathans: then do it as root |
| 08:57.16 | ricky_clarkson | Reilithion: Yeah, but it might be obsolete in that use, like 'darkie' is. |
| 08:57.43 | Reilithion | Language shift. Fun stuff. |
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| 08:58.01 | ma3x | Is qt4-dev-tools the development package for QT? |
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| 08:58.31 | midg3t | libqt4-dev - Qt 4 development files |
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| 08:58.36 | midg3t | depends what you're after |
| 08:58.37 | TwistedEmotions | ricky_clarkson: |
| 08:58.52 | ma3x | * Unable to find the QT installation. Please make sure that the * QT development package is correctly installed and the QTDIR * environment variable is set to the correct location. |
| 08:58.57 | ma3x | oh thanks midg3t |
| 08:59.00 | ma3x | I didn't see you |
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| 08:59.17 | Reilithion | sheesh. 198 megabytes of RAM. If I was running the same kinds of programs on a Windows box, I'd be digging into swap space. I see what they mean when they say that Microsoft is turning out bloatware. |
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| 08:59.48 | ma3x | midg3t, after kp |
| 08:59.48 | midg3t | Reilithion: how much physical memory do you have? |
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| 08:59.49 | midg3t | ma3x: kp? |
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| 09:00.07 | Reilithion | On this machine, a gig, but I was talking about if I was still using my desktop which only has 256MB |
| 09:00.21 | ma3x | !kp |
| 09:00.22 | dpkg | well, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 09:00.37 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 09:00.37 | midg3t | gotcha |
| 09:00.37 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
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| 09:00.58 | jonathans | midg3t: hopw do i become root user? |
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| 09:01.03 | ma3x | jonathans, su |
| 09:01.04 | midg3t | sudo or su |
| 09:01.06 | TwistedEmotions | What is that program like aptitude except with gui? |
| 09:01.09 | midg3t | err, su |
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| 09:01.14 | TwistedEmotions | well.. I mean... err.. |
| 09:01.19 | midg3t | sorry, been dealing with ubuntu all day |
| 09:01.22 | TwistedEmotions | like a REAL graphic gui |
| 09:01.29 | midg3t | TwistedEmotions: synaptic |
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| 09:01.32 | TwistedEmotions | ty |
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| 09:01.54 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 09:01.54 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4"; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
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| 09:02.40 | CountZ | I am getting some strange new failure with my cvs server on debian... |
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| 09:03.02 | ledet | CountZ: ok |
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| 09:03.09 | jonathans | midg3t: it wants a password: |
| 09:03.12 | dondelelcaro | ah, good... maybe that will give you the impetus to switch to baz, darcs, or svn. |
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| 09:03.26 | jonathans | midg3t: su wants a password: |
| 09:03.31 | CountZ | ledet: cvsd: debug: select() failed (ignored): Interrupted system call |
| 09:03.37 | CountZ | ledet: cvsd: cvs command exited with exit-status 1 |
| 09:03.42 | dondelelcaro | !tell maq0r -about away |
| 09:03.46 | ricky_clarkson | TwistedEmotions: |
| 09:04.00 | midg3t | enter your root password |
| 09:04.06 | Zapelius | I'm running Sarge. Now when I log into KDE, the keys "afghijkloquvwy," dont work. |
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| 09:04.10 | Zapelius | When I log out, I can see some red chinese like signs on the top left of my screen. In KDM and console all keys work fine. |
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| 09:04.21 | midg3t | jonathans: i think you might be better off with ubuntu. it tends to cater to the first timer a little bit better than debian IME |
| 09:04.23 | Zapelius | strange... |
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| 09:04.33 | TwistedEmotions | ricky_clarkson: heh? |
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| 09:04.51 | maq0r | dondelelcaro Wow, I'm sorry, apparently I do a lot of things that are considered annoying |
| 09:04.52 | dondelelcaro | jonathans: it's whatever you set the root password to |
| 09:04.57 | ricky_clarkson | TwistedEmotions: = 09:59:49 < TwistedEmotions> ricky_clarkson: |
| 09:04.58 | maq0r | without knowing lol |
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| 09:05.20 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: this channel is just too big to allow that; on smaller channels it may be ok |
| 09:05.31 | maq0r | Yea I suppose |
| 09:05.43 | TwistedEmotions | ricky_clarkson: I dont know what your talking about or doing... |
| 09:05.45 | dondelelcaro | (but /whois is always better than the auto away stuff) |
| 09:05.53 | jonathans | dondelelcarlo: i never set a password anywhere |
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| 09:06.01 | maq0r | Oh I know, it's just that many IRC clients just do it by default |
| 09:06.02 | dondelelcaro | jonathans: uh... did you install Debian? |
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| 09:06.07 | ricky_clarkson | TwistedEmotions: You addressed me, and said nothing, at 9:59BST. WTF do you want? |
| 09:06.08 | maq0r | Most people (/me waves) don't turn it off |
| 09:06.19 | jonathans | midg3t: i typed "root" at the password prompt. and it said authentication failier. its a live cd. no hd. will ubuntu fit on a cd |
| 09:06.21 | ricky_clarkson | maq0r: Turn it off. |
| 09:06.24 | dondelelcaro | jonathans: if you did, you were asked to set one in the initial install |
| 09:06.25 | zulu42 | hi, when I type cd ~proxy I go to /bin ... what's that? |
| 09:06.25 | TwistedEmotions | ricky_clarkson: nothing. |
| 09:06.29 | jonathans | dondelelcarlo: its dsl |
| 09:06.31 | maq0r | ricky_clarkson It's off. |
| 09:06.36 | Reilithion | I hear that Ubuntu's hardware detection puts most other distributions to shame. |
| 09:06.40 | ma3x | I still get the same error: * Unable to find the QT installation. Please make sure that the * QT development package is correctly installed and the QTDIR * environment variable is set to the correct location. What else should I install? |
| 09:06.43 | jonathans | dondelelcarlo: its dsl running from cd |
| 09:06.46 | dondelelcaro | jonathans: then ask in #damnsmalllinux |
| 09:07.00 | jonathans | dondelelcarlo: thanks |
| 09:07.03 | midg3t | jonathans: ubuntu has a live cd |
| 09:07.17 | jonathans | i'll try that |
| 09:07.26 | dondelelcaro | we can't, don't, and won't support non-Debian things in #debian... |
| 09:07.30 | ricky_clarkson | Any reason why Debian doesn't have a live CD? |
| 09:07.36 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: totally pointless |
| 09:07.36 | jonathans | midg3t: will it work with 64megs |
| 09:07.39 | midg3t | just before anyone bashes me for promoting ubuntu (in case anyone is really that shallow), i'll point out that i've come to debian via ubuntu. |
| 09:07.55 | midg3t | jonathans: maybe. i can't say for sure |
| 09:08.06 | pngwn | midg3t, it's still off topic in here |
| 09:08.10 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: that, and no one has actually bothered to do it... I suppose if someone wanted to do so bad enough, they would. |
| 09:08.13 | jonathans | dsl comes up with a claim to be based on debian |
| 09:08.14 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: Not really. Useful as a rescue disk, and for teaching with. |
| 09:08.18 | midg3t | pngwn: just trying to help people |
| 09:08.27 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: the installer is actually quite nice as a rescue disk |
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| 09:08.45 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: So the installer is a live CD, but minimal? |
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| 09:08.52 | dondelelcaro | busybox+wget+$EDITOR+cdebootstrap is all you need to rescue any system |
| 09:08.55 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know command to search what packages I have installed? dpkg -i | grep ? |
| 09:08.58 | maq0r | Oh man, 14 hours of flying from north america to south america, and when I arrive, my var part is full, and it corrupted some files |
| 09:09.00 | maq0r | What a day |
| 09:09.00 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 09:09.00 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; |
| 09:09.01 | TwistedEmotions | Am I even close? hahaha |
| 09:09.13 | maq0r | Oh well, thanks everybody for the help specially dondelelcaro |
| 09:09.18 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: np. |
| 09:09.22 | bibe | maq0r : then enjoy south america! :) |
| 09:09.23 | ricky_clarkson | maq0r: You think that's bad? I stole your wallet in the airport. |
| 09:09.26 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 09:09.27 | ma3x | I have a .cue FILE for "file.bin" BINARY. k3b can burn that. How can I mount it? |
| 09:09.30 | jonathans | its the only latest opperating system for "nic2000"(new internet computer) |
| 09:09.33 | maq0r | If anyone has the remedy for jet lag, please tell me |
| 09:09.41 | dondelelcaro | maq0r: ethanol |
| 09:09.42 | ricky_clarkson | maq0r: Fly back? |
| 09:09.46 | maq0r | bibe haha I live here, so I can't enjoy it lol, I love the USA/Canada |
| 09:09.47 | sanxiyn | maq0r: Sleep. |
| 09:09.49 | jm_ | ma3x: convert it to iso image, or use cdemu |
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| 09:09.55 | maq0r | I slept.... 2 hours. |
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| 09:10.00 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: convert the cue to an iso, then mount the iso through loopback |
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| 09:10.12 | ttz | hi there... I need a java runtime environnement, regarding to my quick search, it seems to be multiple ones. Which one do you advice me ? If someone could point me out a documentation for this, it would be wonderful. |
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| 09:10.22 | jm_ | ttz: Sun's |
| 09:10.24 | sanxiyn | ma3x: bchunk |
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| 09:10.25 | maq0r | Oh well, /bye |
| 09:10.26 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, convert the bin or the iso? |
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| 09:10.35 | bibe | maq0r : then drink as mate as you can, it helps me very much when flying from Europe (where I live) to Argentina |
| 09:10.40 | ttz | jm_: is it packaged ? |
| 09:10.42 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Convert from .bin to .iso. |
| 09:10.47 | ricky_clarkson | ttz: java.sun.com and java-package |
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| 09:10.59 | ricky_clarkson | ttz: apt-cache show java-package |
| 09:11.03 | ttz | ricky_clarkson: thank you |
| 09:11.04 | sanxiyn | ttz: /topic |
| 09:11.11 | jm_ | ttz: /msg dpka java |
| 09:11.39 | wombachi | I see no htdig3.2 package on p.d.o but it's listed in kdevelop3 dependencies. Is there no htdig3.2 package? |
| 09:11.45 | sanxiyn | Rather, /msg dpkg java-package |
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| 09:12.18 | zulu42 | hi, when I type cd ~proxy I go to /bin ... what's that? where does it come from? anyone know? |
| 09:12.18 | dondelelcaro | !+info htdig |
| 09:12.21 | dpkg | htdig: (WWW search system for an intranet or small internet), section web, is optional. Version: 1:3.1.6-11 (sid), Packaged size: 944 kB, Installed size: 2880 kB |
| 09:12.38 | dondelelcaro | zulu42: that's because proxy's homedir is /bin |
| 09:12.58 | zulu42 | proxy's home dir? what do you mean? I have installed a proxy? |
| 09:13.03 | SimonRaven | same for daemon IIRC |
| 09:13.10 | SimonRaven | no, the proxy user |
| 09:13.16 | sanxiyn | !+info htdig3.2 |
| 09:13.17 | dpkg | Package 'htdig3.2' does not exist. |
| 09:13.19 | SimonRaven | do getent passwd proxy |
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| 09:13.50 | zulu42 | ok this is a user |
| 09:13.59 | dondelelcaro | wombachi: kdevelop3 suggests htdig >> 3.2; which is in Debian. |
| 09:14.01 | SimonRaven | oh, /usr/sbin for daemon |
| 09:14.05 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 09:14.06 | dpkg | <Michiel1983> dpkg: I have problems with boot for the 2.6.9 kernel, I got a kernel panic:Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3) On undernet they told me to: go to irc.freenode.net, join #debian and ask dpkg about bobbitt |
| 09:14.08 | zulu42 | to what package is this relative? |
| 09:14.16 | dondelelcaro | (as 1:3.1.6-11 is >> 3.2) |
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| 09:15.00 | dondelelcaro | zulu42: no package; it's related to the entry in /etc/passwd; if you want to know what package created it, look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/; for a postinst that creates the user |
| 09:15.10 | jm_ | hillarious |
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| 09:15.21 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Epoch. Indeed, but confusing. |
| 09:15.27 | zulu42 | ok |
| 09:15.53 | wombachi | dondelelcaro : htdig in sarge says there is a stable version (3.1) and a less tested version (package htdig3.2). So the description is wrong ? |
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| 09:16.15 | sanxiyn | wombachi: Must be... |
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| 09:16.24 | dondelelcaro | wombachi: probalby |
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| 09:16.46 | wombachi | dondelelcaro : so postinst script is also wrong (it tells about htdig split in 2 packages) |
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| 09:17.08 | dondelelcaro | wombachi: probably |
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| 09:17.53 | wombachi | should I file a bug against htdig/kdevelop3 (kdevelop3 says: "Suggests htdig (>> 3.2.0)"? |
| 09:18.03 | Reilithion | ricky_clarkson: is that user still having trouble? That one sounds familiar. |
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| 09:18.14 | ricky_clarkson | wombachi: I think so. |
| 09:18.16 | rhalff | Hi, I'm trying to add an extra ip address to an interface, but 'ip addr add 82.92.29.136 dev eth0' doesn't show in ifconfig ? |
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| 09:18.22 | ricky_clarkson | Reilithion: I think that's ages old, dunno. |
| 09:18.30 | dondelelcaro | wombachi: the suggests: in kdevelop3 is correct; the htdig description is wrong. |
| 09:18.35 | jm_ | rhalff: use ip addr to show all IPs |
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| 09:19.10 | rhalff | ok thanks jm_ :) |
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| 09:19.12 | wombachi | dondelelcaro : dont ">> 3.2" means version higher than 3.2? |
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| 09:19.21 | Reilithion | I did a dist-upgrade not long ago, and it messed up my /etc/fstab so I couldn't boot. |
| 09:19.24 | sanxiyn | wombachi: Yes, and 1:3.1... is higher than 3.2... |
| 09:19.28 | sanxiyn | wombachi: Note 1:. |
| 09:19.33 | Reilithion | turned out to be easy to fix once I figured out what was going on |
| 09:19.40 | Reilithion | it gave an error message like that |
| 09:19.43 | doublehp | oh ... why are there so few ppl today ??? netsplit ? |
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| 09:20.08 | sanxiyn | wombachi: But that's probably not what kdevelop3 maintainer intended, I think. |
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| 09:20.14 | wombachi | sanxiyn where could I find doc about debian versionning scheme? |
| 09:20.17 | ricky_clarkson | doublehp: Everyone went back to Windows. |
| 09:20.28 | c0de42 | !sarge |
| 09:20.28 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 09:20.37 | ma3x | when i try to make xconfig i get this error: Unable to find the QT installation....... make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/.tmp_qtcheck] Error 1. I tried installing qt3-dev-tools but libqt3-mt is a dependancy and it wants to remove 100 of my packages. What should I do? |
| 09:20.38 | ma3x | I can't compile the kernel |
| 09:20.39 | doublehp | ricky_clarkson: do you mean Kubuntu ? |
| 09:20.55 | jm_ | ma3x: use make menuconfig |
| 09:21.10 | sanxiyn | wombachi: Debian policy? |
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| 09:21.15 | ColonelKernel | !kp |
| 09:21.15 | dpkg | somebody said kp was To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 09:21.18 | wombachi | sanxiyn : kdevelop uses htdig, so I installed htdig but it didnt work, so I investigate that issue |
| 09:21.28 | sanxiyn | wombachi: Okay. |
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| 09:21.51 | sanxiyn | wombachi: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
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| 09:22.05 | sanxiyn | (Debian version scheme.) |
| 09:22.27 | jonathans | if i have 2 dsl partitions on a cd, and it gives me a "boot:" prompt when it starts. what does it want? |
| 09:22.34 | wombachi | sanxiyn ok, thanks. |
| 09:22.37 | jm_ | dsl partitions? |
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| 09:22.41 | ricky_clarkson | doublehp: No, I was joking. |
| 09:22.47 | sanxiyn | wombachi: dpkg --compare-versions implements the comparison. |
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| 09:23.04 | ma3x | jm_: Can't i first graphically change the config? |
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| 09:23.19 | jm_ | ma3x: sure, if you install QT |
| 09:23.28 | jonathans | jm_: its not debian its dsl. but i thought i would ask |
| 09:23.36 | rolemodel | would anyone know if debian (as a server) support diskless modes for debian clients? |
| 09:23.37 | ma3x | jm_, what package exactly? |
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| 09:23.52 | jm_ | jonathans: I don't understand your question at all - what the hell are DSL partitions? |
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| 09:24.01 | rolemodel | or does it rely upon how an application in debian is coded for diskless modes to work? |
| 09:24.03 | wombachi | sanxiyn ok, good to know |
| 09:24.05 | jm_ | ma3x: tried libqt3-mt-dev? |
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| 09:24.40 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: Is dsl some live CD? |
| 09:24.51 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: that's what I'm trying to find out |
| 09:24.52 | sanxiyn | ricky_clarkson: Yes. |
| 09:25.04 | ricky_clarkson | !dsl |
| 09:25.04 | dpkg | methinks dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 09:25.08 | jonathans | jm_: dsl is (damn small linux). its 50 megs.. uyou burn an iso partition onto a cd |
| 09:25.21 | jm_ | jonathans: it's called iso image |
| 09:25.29 | doublehp | SMP problem : I was just given a bi P3 mother board; when used with single Celeron 400, everything was fine; yesterday, I didi the CPU upgrade to dual P3 ; I re installed Sarge testing from CD , then upgraded to SID; I now use 2.6.12-1-686-smp, and did dist-upgrade + reboot; PROBLEM is that some process are launched (via command), then load increses up to 5, but work of process never start; then, ps does NOT report the process to be run |
| 09:25.36 | rhalff | anyway I can test the syntax of /etc/network/interfaces before I do a networking restart ? or will everything stay the same if interfaces has a typo ? |
| 09:25.37 | ricky_clarkson | jonathans: I'd guess you should ask somewhere more specific or more general. |
| 09:25.43 | doublehp | does my question end with "?" ? |
| 09:25.48 | ma3x | jm_, yes: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: libqt3-mt (= 3:3.3.4-7) but it is not going to be installed |
| 09:25.55 | Eclipser | doublehp, nope |
| 09:26.16 | jm_ | ma3x: you're not using Sarge, are you? |
| 09:26.29 | wombachi | perhaps htdig3.2 package wasnt allowed entering Debian. Is there a mailing list/website listing refused packages? |
| 09:26.34 | ledet | how much does a gallon of gasoline cost in the states? |
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| 09:26.38 | jm_ | ma3x: you're fucked because of C++/KDE/whatever transitions going on |
| 09:26.44 | RiseAgainst | 3.19$ now |
| 09:26.45 | c0de42 | 2.61 cents here per gallon |
| 09:26.51 | jm_ | $5.87 they said earlier today |
| 09:27.00 | c0de42 | damn you guys are getting gypped |
| 09:27.04 | RiseAgainst | wow what a price range |
| 09:27.12 | dondelelcaro | jm_: where at? |
| 09:27.16 | ricky_clarkson | 90p per litre. |
| 09:27.23 | RiseAgainst | farking Gulf Coast got farked :\ |
| 09:27.26 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: not sure, http://pab.st/s?hVeE |
| 09:27.30 | rolemodel | Philippine Peso 32.30/L |
| 09:27.43 | ma3x | jm_, can I roll back ? |
| 09:27.45 | ledet | ricky_clarkson: here its about 1.45 euros for a litre |
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| 09:27.52 | jm_ | it's ~1EUR here |
| 09:27.56 | dondelelcaro | jm_: ah, right. |
| 09:27.58 | sanxiyn | wombachi: http://ftp-master.debian.org/ has log of *removed* packages. |
| 09:27.58 | jm_ | ma3x: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 09:28.09 | rolemodel | would anyone know if debian (as a server) support diskless modes for debian clients? |
| 09:28.09 | sanxiyn | wombachi: I am not aware of log of rejections. |
| 09:28.16 | dondelelcaro | rolemodel: sure |
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| 09:28.27 | wombachi | rolemodel yep |
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| 09:28.37 | ricky_clarkson | !calc 0.9*1.4*3.8 |
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| 09:28.40 | jm_ | ma3x: but it's not going to be two minute job (or 10 for that matter) |
| 09:28.47 | dondelelcaro | !0.9*1.4*3.8 |
| 09:28.48 | dpkg | 4.788 |
| 09:28.49 | sanxiyn | rolemodel: It doesn't. |
| 09:28.51 | rolemodel | wombachi/dondelelcaro cool! :) now i gotta figure if a particular application in debian does work under diskless mode |
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| 09:28.56 | ricky_clarkson | That's how many dollars per gallon in the UK. |
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| 09:29.01 | rolemodel | sanxiyn weh? |
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| 09:29.09 | wombachi | sanxiyn: perhaps somewhere on qa.d.o ? |
| 09:29.10 | Shadur | Hmm. Does tar --update also delete the prior version from its archive when it finds a newer version ? |
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| 09:29.16 | sanxiyn | wombachi: Maybe. |
| 09:29.37 | doublehp | SMP problem : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Ja779p19.html |
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| 09:29.44 | dondelelcaro | rolemodel: all diskless mode means is that you're remote mounting root using NFS or similar; so the applications don't know any better at all. |
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| 09:29.57 | jonathans | i thought it was a strange to boot from a cd with 2 partitions and the pc be not know which partrtion would boot. half the time it comes up with one version(partition) and half the time the other version(from the other partition) |
| 09:30.10 | sn00p | Does anybody know why X doesn't use all of the screen ? i have xf86config right but it doesn't seem to use all of it like 1/4 on the left side is missing |
| 09:30.18 | Shadur | dondelelcaro: Isn't the whole point of the filesystem layer to make sure that applications don't *need* to know any better? |
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| 09:31.01 | dondelelcaro | Shadur: generally, yes. However, there are some cases (flocking, etc.) where things don't quite work the way they should |
| 09:31.04 | rolemodel | dondelelcaro oh, i see. i was thinking of rolling out diskless POS clients and having the app on the server for the clients to access |
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| 09:31.20 | ma3x | jm_, thank you kindly. |
| 09:31.33 | dondelelcaro | rolemodel: yeah, that's another model as well, you just do x terminals that run the application on the server |
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| 09:31.35 | sanxiyn | rolemodel: http://www.wlug.org.nz/NFSRoot ? |
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| 09:31.45 | jinx`` | i have a shellscript which starts a program. but i don't want to see the programs output, only if there is an error. what's the correct syntax? command >/dev/null 2>&1 ? |
| 09:31.53 | rolemodel | if what you say, dondelelcaro applies to the app im thinking about using, then this might prove very feasible. |
| 09:32.00 | rolemodel | thanks sanxiyn |
| 09:32.17 | sanxiyn | Well, ifupdown used to write to /etc. I think it doesn't any more in Sarge. |
| 09:32.19 | dondelelcaro | jinx``: uh, that discards all output to STDOUT and STDERR |
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| 09:32.35 | wombachi | sn00p screens sometimes dont use same width at different freq. Simply adjusting screen settings dont work? |
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| 09:33.17 | jonathans | i put 2 partitions on the cd by mistake.. its an rw and i forgot to erase it.. i'm just going to erace it all and burn only one partition on it. but its strange that there is seemingly no way to predict which partition it will boot from |
| 09:33.18 | wombachi | jinx`` cmd 2>/dev/null perhaps ? |
| 09:33.19 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, you told me earlier to convert the .cue to iso. Can I use dd for that? |
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| 09:33.22 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: some tweaking will be necessary, but it's not all that difficult; you basically mount a few things as /dev/shm and modulate a few init.d files |
| 09:33.31 | jm_ | sn00p: yes, someone does |
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| 09:33.40 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: no, cuetools has a utility to do that |
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| 09:34.05 | sn00p | jm_: ? |
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| 09:34.32 | c0de42 | totally weird... with the boot disk partitioning deal.. it would seem that perhaps you could create a disk with "hidden" partitions and a bios visible partition that had a menu.. who know if that would work though |
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| 09:34.37 | doublehp | does discover autodetect devices at each boot, or does it assume some of them never change ? I have put an old install on a different mother board, and some stuff do not work: no UDMA, bad screen resolution .... |
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| 09:34.53 | sanxiyn | sn00p: Read http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/FGA/questions-with-yes-or-no-answers.html |
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| 09:35.08 | Reilithion | Acronym overloading is one of the stupidest results of using acronyms at all. It produces ambiguities like IP which can mean Internet Protocol or Intellectual Property and DSL which can mean Digital Subscriber Line or Damn Small Linux. |
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| 09:35.56 | dondelelcaro | Reilithion: *shrug* Welcome to the english language. die. |
| 09:36.23 | jm_ | well it would be clear if he expressed himself better, DSL distribution, as opposed to DSL partition |
| 09:36.24 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, cueconvert - convert files between CUE and TOC formats. Is iso TOC format? |
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| 09:36.38 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Well, I think you want bchunk. |
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| 09:36.52 | jm_ | !tell ma3x -about cdemu |
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| 09:36.58 | jonathans | when i look at it with windows.. if i look at its properties . it has an ewxtra tab with the 2 partitions listed. and a check by one. when i change the check to the other. the file directory window shows the files of the partition checked without refresh if that means anything |
| 09:37.17 | sanxiyn | jm_: Which is, not packaged in Debian. |
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| 09:37.32 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: sorry, that should have been convert the bin to iso, not the cue to toc. |
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| 09:38.09 | paulswm | I don't see a problem with acronyms, it should be obvious within context. I mean in the same way as a mouse is a rodent or a pointing device. |
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| 09:38.25 | sanxiyn | dpkg, does anyone know is http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/FGA/questions-with-yes-or-no-answers.html |
| 09:38.25 | dpkg | sanxiyn: okay |
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| 09:38.31 | ma3x | jm_, is there no package for cdemu? Is compilation absolutely necessary? |
| 09:38.35 | rolemodel | dondelelcaro, are diskless internet browser kiosks feasible with debian? |
| 09:38.38 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Yes. |
| 09:38.39 | dondelelcaro | rolemodel: sure |
| 09:38.46 | rolemodel | dondelelcaro oh sweet! |
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| 09:38.54 | jm_ | ma3x: did read how it says it's a kernel module? |
| 09:38.55 | Eclipser | ma3x, it's easy deal :) |
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| 09:39.05 | paulswm | dondek: die, as in a little cube with numbers on? Heh |
| 09:39.06 | Sonderblade | apt-get install xpdf says: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad |
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| 09:39.15 | Sonderblade | d, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 09:39.19 | Sonderblade | what should i do?? |
| 09:39.47 | Sonderblade | "E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs" <- sounds dangerous |
| 09:39.58 | paulswm | dondek: sorry, wrong nick |
| 09:40.01 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: or death, or as something that punches stuff off, the die you use to cut threads, or a dado, or to die... |
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| 09:40.43 | dondelelcaro | Sonderblade: removing e2fsprogs isn't a big deal so long as you reinstall it again. |
| 09:40.46 | ma3x | FATAL: Error inserting cdemu (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1-686/misc/cdemu.ko): Invalidmodule format |
| 09:40.48 | sanxiyn | rolemodel: I said "no" to your question, because Debian as-released will need some customizations to run with read-only root. |
| 09:40.58 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: Indeed. Long time no see, you have a good weekend, I'm off to hospital to have a second heart catheterization |
| 09:40.59 | sanxiyn | rolemodel: http://panopticon.csustan.edu/thood/readonly-root.html seems to be a good resource? |
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| 09:41.26 | sn00p | Does anybody know why X doesn't use all of the screen ? i have xf86config right but it doesn't seem to use all of it like 1/4 on the left side is missing |
| 09:41.32 | doublehp | what could make /proc/<proc id>/cmdline unreadable to root ? |
| 09:41.38 | rolemodel | sanxiyn thanks for the heads-up. :) |
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| 09:42.38 | rolemodel | sanxiyn: the read-only root only applies to internet browser kiosks, and not with POS systems, correct? |
| 09:42.41 | ma3x | jm_, well its a kernel module, and i tried to load it. what did i miss? |
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| 09:43.08 | jm_ | ma3x: probably not compiled with the same compiler, or doesn't match you kernel version |
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| 09:43.19 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: bleck |
| 09:43.23 | sanxiyn | rolemodel: I guess so. |
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| 09:43.35 | Reilithion | POS is another one |
| 09:43.41 | Sonderblade | dondelelcaro: how do i do it? apt-get install doesn't seem to do it automagically for me |
| 09:43.49 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: what precisely are they doing? (if you don't mind me asking) |
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| 09:43.55 | eXa_bOy | im trying to find my postfix log so i can tail it to watch emails go in and out. which file is this? |
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| 09:44.22 | dondelelcaro | Sonderblade: you need to set forceloopbreak to get it to install; but what exactly are you trying to do here? |
| 09:44.26 | rolemodel | sanxiyn which means the POS needs to have read/write root (or to a relevant database inside the filesystem) |
| 09:44.35 | dondelelcaro | eXa_bOy: generall /var/log/mail.log |
| 09:44.39 | dondelelcaro | s/ll/lly/ |
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| 09:44.55 | rolemodel | but the internet browser kiosks do not need such, since its only reading info... |
| 09:44.59 | Sonderblade | dondelelcaro: apt-get install xpdf, which fails |
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| 09:46.23 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: they open a femoral artery in the groin and run a catheter up through the main aorta into the coronary arteries to look for blockages - generally, if they find one, they flatten it with an inflatable baloon or put a little mesh tube(stent) in. I had a >90% blocckage discovered and stented 3 weeks ago, was potentially lethal. I have another 40% blockage to be fixed today plus arterial blockages in my right leg. |
| 09:46.35 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: right |
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| 09:46.48 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: cool, I was just wondering precisely which procedure you were undergoing |
| 09:47.01 | sn00p | Can anybody tell me why X in debian isn't using 1/4 of my screen? |
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| 09:47.30 | ricky_clarkson | sn00p: Try vga drivers. |
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| 09:47.38 | sn00p | I have |
| 09:47.42 | ricky_clarkson | sn00p: And? |
| 09:47.43 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: It's cool, no pain, just an overnight stay |
| 09:47.45 | sn00p | dont work |
| 09:47.52 | sn00p | Its just not using my full monitor |
| 09:47.53 | ricky_clarkson | sn00p: dont work how? |
| 09:47.57 | sn00p | X |
| 09:48.03 | ricky_clarkson | sn00p: Does the console use it all? |
| 09:48.06 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: right.. yeah, definetly much better than the open heart alternatives |
| 09:48.07 | sn00p | its not using 1/4 of the left side |
| 09:48.12 | sn00p | ricky_Clarkson: yea |
| 09:48.15 | Reilithion | I love sn00p's 1-2 word answers. |
| 09:48.16 | sanxiyn | !doesn't work |
| 09:48.16 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 09:48.24 | Sonderblade | sn00p: check your monitor settings |
| 09:48.25 | ricky_clarkson | sanxiyn: Welcome to 5 minutes ago. |
| 09:48.31 | sanxiyn | ricky_clarkson: sorry |
| 09:48.41 | sn00p | monitor settings? |
| 09:48.44 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: anyway, best of luck with the proceedure! ;-) |
| 09:48.47 | sn00p | you mean resolution? |
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| 09:48.54 | ricky_clarkson | sn00p: The buttons on the monitor. |
| 09:49.00 | rhalff | is this the preffered way to setup multiple ip's on debian ? http://www.servepath.com/support/debian_ip_configuration.htm |
| 09:49.00 | sn00p | there set right |
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| 09:49.01 | sn00p | lol |
| 09:49.01 | sn00p | ;) |
| 09:49.02 | Sonderblade | sn00p: yes there are buttons on your monitor which controls stuf |
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| 09:49.09 | dondelelcaro | Sonderblade: yeah, but is this sarge, testing, unstable? use the paster bot to paste the output of apt-cache show policy; |
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| 09:49.22 | sn00p | This is weird because I never had this problem with freebsd |
| 09:49.30 | sn00p | or woody |
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| 09:49.37 | Sonderblade | dondelelcaro: it is unstable |
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| 09:49.46 | dondelelcaro | Sonderblade: the output of apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true install xpdf; will also be useful. |
| 09:49.47 | jm_ | rhalff: yes |
| 09:49.56 | sn00p | I dont like to be cramped |
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| 09:50.12 | rhalff | jm_, people say it's deprecated.. it isn't, ah ok what do I care anyway :) |
| 09:50.17 | eye69 | jm_: What if you don't want to use the crappy ethX:N way of aliasing. |
| 09:50.21 | eye69 | ? |
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| 09:50.40 | eye69 | I much prefer using 'ip addr add' |
| 09:50.50 | jm_ | rhalff: well sure, you could use up command and do it with ip command, as long as it's done inside interfaces file |
| 09:51.01 | rhalff | oh eye69 was that people :D |
| 09:51.03 | sn00p | anybody help? |
| 09:51.04 | sn00p | :( |
| 09:51.05 | Sonderblade | dondelelcaro: apt-cache show policy doesn't work |
| 09:51.10 | jm_ | eye69: one day Debian will use "ip" for all of it |
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| 09:51.15 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: thanks :) Have a good weekend, stay safe, bye |
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| 09:51.17 | dondelelcaro | Sonderblade: apt-cache policy; rather |
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| 09:51.29 | eye69 | jm_: That's the way I do it. A script that runs 'ip' is called with 'up'. |
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| 09:51.55 | Sonderblade | http://channels.debian.net/paste/617 |
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| 09:52.17 | sn00p | This sucks i'm wasting 1/4 of my screen |
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| 09:52.41 | jm_ | sn00p: buy smaller screen! |
| 09:52.45 | sn00p | lol |
| 09:52.52 | Sonderblade | and policy http://channels.debian.net/paste/618 |
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| 09:52.57 | jm_ | honestly, fix your mode |
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| 09:53.10 | sn00p | i'll punch my fist threw the glass and sue the monitors maker and i'll buy a plasma |
| 09:53.24 | jonathans | so. if i have a live cd with 2 live cd partitions. does anyone know how to make a prompt posibly on a 3rd partition, that could prompt the user to select which partition to boot? |
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| 09:54.03 | sn00p | Thats the only way to get rich in this world is to sue someone |
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| 09:54.10 | dondelelcaro | Sonderblade: if you're sure that you don't need initrd-tools (you need to be running a 2.6 kernel, and never plan on going back) you can apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=true install xpdf |
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| 09:54.16 | sn00p | thats my modo |
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| 09:54.42 | Sonderblade | dondelelcaro: im running 2.4.27 :( |
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| 09:55.01 | dondelelcaro | Sonderblade: well, then just wait. |
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| 09:55.21 | dondelelcaro | Sonderblade: unstable sometimes gets broken in wierd ways like this. |
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| 09:56.02 | sussudio | Sonderblade: you didn't install apt-listbugs, did you? |
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| 09:56.13 | Sonderblade | sussudio: no |
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| 09:56.18 | sussudio | Sonderblade: ... |
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| 09:56.32 | ricky_clarkson | I find apt-listbugs annoying, it lists closed bugs and doesn't mark them as such, iirc. |
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| 09:57.21 | dondelelcaro | Sonderblade: you may also be able to avoid it by going apt-get install e2fsprogs; |
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| 09:58.21 | Sonderblade | dondelelcaro: it can't remove e2fsprogs so thats borked too |
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| 09:58.39 | dondelelcaro | Sonderblade: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
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| 09:59.07 | dondelelcaro | Sonderblade: and what version of e2fsprogs? |
| 09:59.20 | dondelelcaro | !info e2fsprogs stable |
| 09:59.22 | dpkg | e2fsprogs: (ext2 file system utilities and libraries), section base, is required. Version: 1.37-2sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 499 kB, Installed size: 1368 kB |
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| 09:59.32 | dondelelcaro | !info e2fsprogs woody |
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| 09:59.39 | dpkg | e2fsprogs: (The EXT2 file system utilities and libraries.), section base, is required. Version: 1.27-2 (woody), Packaged size: 327 kB, Installed size: 832 kB |
| 09:59.59 | dondelelcaro | !conflicts libc6 sarge |
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| 10:00.05 | dpkg | libc6: strace (<< 4.0-0), libnss-db (<= 2.2-6.1.1), timezone, timezones, gconv-modules, libtricks, libc6-doc, libc5 (<< 5.4.33-7), libpthread0 (<< 0.7-10), libc6-bin, libwcsmbs, apt (<< 0.3.0), libglib1.2 (<< 1.2.1-2), netkit-rpc, wine (<< 0.0.20031118-1), cyrus-imapd (<< 1.5.19-15) |
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| 10:00.37 | dondelelcaro | the only way you could end up in that situtation is if you upgraded directly from woody to unstable |
| 10:00.46 | Sonderblade | dpkg -I libc: dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `libc': No such file or directory |
| 10:00.48 | dondelelcaro | or haven't upgraded an unstable system in *years* |
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| 10:01.44 | sobersabre | hi |
| 10:02.04 | dondelelcaro | Sonderblade: in any case, the ForceLoopBreak thing should work |
| 10:02.06 | Reilithion | rofl! |
| 10:02.10 | sobersabre | why can this happen: md0 (raid1) device mkfs'ed as reiserfs. |
| 10:02.28 | dondelelcaro | you ran mkfs.reiserfs on it or the equivalent? |
| 10:02.30 | sobersabre | I am trying to mount it with option usrquota, and i get reiserfs error |
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| 10:02.51 | sobersabre | if I mount it wiuthout quota, and remount it later with quota - it works! |
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| 10:03.19 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro, I haven't, but it does get mounted as reiserfs |
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| 10:03.33 | sobersabre | (I meant it is a reiserfs partition) |
| 10:03.52 | sobersabre | so what is this mystery's reason ? |
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| 10:04.20 | tyler | is there any channel for beginers? |
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| 10:04.28 | ricky_clarkson | tyler: Here. |
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| 10:04.33 | tyler | oke |
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| 10:04.42 | Sonderblade | dondelelcaro: it didn't work |
| 10:04.48 | dondelelcaro | Sonderblade: what was the error? |
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| 10:04.55 | tyler | i have some problems with broken packages |
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| 10:05.01 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: usrquota isn't accepted by reiserfs; and it doesn't do anything in most filesystems. |
| 10:05.13 | tyler | after doing apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:05.25 | Sonderblade | dondelelcaro: Removing initrd-tools ... Errors were encountered while processing: kernel-image-2.4.27-1-386 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 10:05.38 | CountZ | ok this is a tough one... what package contains the utility 'y'? |
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| 10:05.45 | CountZ | (that one that splits streams) |
| 10:05.53 | dondelelcaro | Sonderblade: ugh, you're going to need to reinstall those both. |
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| 10:06.18 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 10:06.18 | dpkg | fix-unmet is, like, run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked) |
| 10:06.19 | Sonderblade | dondelelcaro: both initrd-tools and kernel-image? |
| 10:06.30 | dondelelcaro | Sonderblade: yes. |
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| 10:06.56 | tyler | fix-unmet? |
| 10:07.10 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro, WHAT ?!?!?! |
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| 10:07.13 | sobersabre | It works! |
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| 10:07.27 | jetscreamer | basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
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| 10:07.44 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: it may work, but it will likely just ignore it |
| 10:07.48 | sobersabre | it works, and it gives the notice to the user about over quota. |
| 10:08.02 | jetscreamer | dpkg, fix-unmet is also eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 10:08.03 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 10:08.09 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: yes, but that has nothing to do with the usrquota option |
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| 10:08.25 | sn00p | Both president bushes have run this country into the hole |
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| 10:08.39 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro, HOW DA **** is it supposed to know about mounting with quota support ? |
| 10:08.44 | dondelelcaro | sn00p: #politics is over there |
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| 10:08.48 | jetscreamer | sn00p: off topic |
| 10:08.57 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: because you run quotaon or similar. |
| 10:09.11 | CountZ | i can't search for a utility called 'y', it's one letter |
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| 10:09.14 | CountZ | damn |
| 10:09.16 | Sonderblade | dondelelcaro: thanks, it seems to work although installing xpdf seems to have trigged a total system upgrade |
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| 10:09.35 | dondelelcaro | Sonderblade: you're running unstable... |
| 10:09.37 | sobersabre | true, so .. if I quotaon, then don't I need to support quota with the underlying FS ?! |
| 10:09.40 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/y |
| 10:09.41 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 10:09.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/y' (11 of 49): (/usr/bin/ysm) in net/ysm ;; (/usr/bin/ydr) in net/arla ;; (/usr/bin/yafc) in net/yafc ;; (/usr/bin/yada) in devel/yada ;; (/usr/bin/yepp) in utils/yepp ;; (/usr/bin/yank) in gnome/yank ;; (/usr/bin/yasr) in admin/yasr ;; (/usr/bin/yelp) in gnome/yelp ;; (/usr/bin/ytalk) in net/ytalk ;; (/usr/bin/y2racc) in devel/racc ;; (/usr/bin/yuvsum) in misc/gatos. |
| 10:09.50 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/y$ |
| 10:09.52 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 10:09.54 | jetscreamer | CountZ: maybe grep has a search function to search for y and only y... btw i've never seen a package that just has the name y |
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| 10:10.00 | jetscreamer | CountZ: also try pdo |
| 10:10.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/y' returned no results. |
| 10:10.06 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 10:10.07 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 10:10.07 | CountZ | hm ok |
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| 10:10.21 | ronrad | hello, I'd like to know if this is possible (securely): I want to create a local loop device filesystem with a basic debian installation, locally mount this, have my users ssh-ing in on a chrooted version of the mount (so far... no big problems I guess). However I also want the users to be able to install things (so... give them root access within the chroot); any ideas on how to realise... |
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| 10:10.23 | ronrad | ...this securely (no jail break possibilities) |
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| 10:10.40 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: the kernel is what has quota support, not the filesystem |
| 10:10.45 | sobersabre | ok |
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| 10:10.58 | sobersabre | thanks... this means I need to remove usrquota from the mounting options. |
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| 10:11.02 | sobersabre | thanks a lot! |
| 10:11.11 | tyler | can anyone help me with these broken packages??? |
| 10:11.20 | jetscreamer | dselect didn't work? |
| 10:11.27 | ledet | ronrad: sounds like what you really want is something like vserver |
| 10:11.27 | tyler | my kde is messed up completly :( |
| 10:11.36 | jetscreamer | sounds like sid |
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| 10:11.52 | tyler | jetscreamer, are you refering to me? |
| 10:11.52 | ronrad | ledet: I'll google for it |
| 10:11.56 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 10:12.03 | tyler | hm |
| 10:12.05 | dondelelcaro | tyler: you need to paste the complete output of your apt-get run and apt-cache policy; using the paster bot. |
| 10:12.10 | dondelelcaro | tyler: otherwise no one can help you. |
| 10:12.17 | tyler | wait |
| 10:12.24 | jetscreamer | !wait |
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| 10:12.36 | jetscreamer | damn, woulda been a nice factoid |
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| 10:12.56 | sjeal | is gaim a reliable chat client? |
| 10:12.59 | tyler | oke, i'll post it in the flood channel |
| 10:13.11 | jetscreamer | my kids like gaim, it seems to work |
| 10:13.18 | caranthir | what is the simplest way for me to add my WEP key to my startup scripts? I can connect but I always have to enter it manually everytime I boot |
| 10:13.21 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro, you are confusing. I tried what you suggested. the result was: |
| 10:13.29 | sjeal | jetscreamer, is it kid's stuff? |
| 10:13.30 | dondelelcaro | caranthir: set it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:13.40 | jetscreamer | sjeal: i dunno |
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| 10:13.48 | sobersabre | no, let's start with what I did: mounted without usrquota |
| 10:13.49 | BleSS | looking for a C/python developer: http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/xorg/2005-September/009712.html |
| 10:13.55 | sobersabre | quotaon that dev |
| 10:13.55 | sjeal | anyone here uses gaim? |
| 10:13.56 | jetscreamer | sjeal: they like aim, it does aim.. i hate aim |
| 10:14.05 | sobersabre | then tried to see user's quota. |
| 10:14.06 | Reilithion | sjeal: I'm using gaim right now |
| 10:14.09 | sobersabre | nothing! |
| 10:14.26 | caranthir | how do I set it? |
| 10:14.27 | sjeal | Reilithion, any complain? |
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| 10:14.42 | jetscreamer | gaim is very popular if that helps |
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| 10:14.52 | sjeal | gaim is gnome-based, right? |
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| 10:15.00 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: the quota utilities may be reading those strings from fstab, but they have nothing to do with the way the filesystem is mounted. |
| 10:15.04 | Reilithion | sjeal: I haven't had the chance to fool around with it and make it do what I want yet, but so far, it does what I want it to do. And yes, it's GNOME bsed |
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| 10:15.12 | Reilithion | bsed=based |
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| 10:15.18 | caranthir | I think the jabber client Psi is the best way to connect to aim |
| 10:15.24 | jetscreamer | gnome-bsd |
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| 10:15.33 | sjeal | ok, thks, i'll install and try it out. |
| 10:15.34 | jetscreamer | bsd of gnome |
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| 10:15.44 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, they don't for ext2, affs, and a few other filesystems; mount(8) doesn't document them for reiserfs) |
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| 10:15.50 | jetscreamer | gnomXorized |
| 10:16.00 | dondelelcaro | tyler: and apt-cache poliyc? |
| 10:16.03 | dondelelcaro | tyler: and apt-cache policy? |
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| 10:16.56 | jetscreamer | 'you will be asslaminated |
| 10:17.03 | caranthir | i've got the interfaces file open but i don't see how to set my WEP key |
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| 10:17.15 | sjeal | anyone uses gedit? |
| 10:17.20 | vekpos | me |
| 10:17.20 | tyler | dondelelcaro: what is that? |
| 10:17.22 | jetscreamer | i like gedit |
| 10:17.31 | vekpos | but it crashes sometimes |
| 10:17.33 | tyler | how to get that? |
| 10:17.43 | jetscreamer | mine doesn't, testing version |
| 10:17.47 | dondelelcaro | tyler: just run 'apt-cache policy' that will tell us what you're running. |
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| 10:18.05 | sjeal | jetscreamer, gedit is testing version only? |
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| 10:18.20 | jetscreamer | no sjeal i mean my version is etch/testing |
| 10:18.36 | jetscreamer | the sid one works too |
| 10:18.40 | jetscreamer | stable should |
| 10:18.43 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 10:18.43 | vekpos | you have to go on the symbol for loading one of the latest opened files after opening some big php-scripts - i got this error several times |
| 10:18.48 | sjeal | vekpos, under what condition does it break? |
| 10:19.31 | dondelelcaro | !+info kdelibs4 |
| 10:19.32 | tyler | post in #floof |
| 10:19.33 | dpkg | Package 'kdelibs4' does not exist. |
| 10:19.34 | tyler | post in #flood |
| 10:19.46 | dondelelcaro | !+depends kmail |
| 10:19.48 | Reilithion | !paster |
| 10:19.48 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 10:19.49 | dpkg | kmail: depends on kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.2-4.0.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libkcal2a (>= 4:3.3.2), libkdenetwork2 (>= 4:3.3.1), libkdepim1 (>= 4:3.3.2), libkleopatra0a, libkpimidentities1 (>= 4:3.3.1), libksieve0 (>= 4:3.3.1), libmimelib1a, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> ... |
| 10:20.12 | Reilithion | although #floof does sound fun... |
| 10:20.35 | jetscreamer | closely related to #fluffle |
| 10:20.37 | vekpos | dont know the exactly way for reproducing this, but sometimes it crashes. i got this 4 times in 2 months, and im writing php all the day, so it isnt a big bug... |
| 10:20.43 | Reilithion | lol |
| 10:20.54 | dondelelcaro | tyler: kmail can't be installed currently in unstable because it's dependencies are broken; it needs to be rebuilt against kdelibs4c2 |
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| 10:21.10 | sjeal | gedit takes up to 10MB after unpacking. is it a powerful editor? how it is compared to Kate? |
| 10:21.20 | jetscreamer | deja vu: sounds like sid to me |
| 10:21.30 | jonathans | when dsl nicrevival boots it says "based on knoppix debian linux" |
| 10:21.38 | jetscreamer | gedit is better than kedit imo, kate is more like abiword |
| 10:21.43 | Reilithion | !start an editor war |
| 10:21.43 | dpkg | nano is known to repel members of the opposite sex |
| 10:21.45 | tyler | dondelelcaro: how can i get back to stable? |
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| 10:22.02 | sn00p | nano=pico |
| 10:22.04 | jetscreamer | gedit has colors and coding syntax line #'s ... |
| 10:22.08 | tyler | or is there any solution |
| 10:22.16 | tyler | any other solution? |
| 10:22.18 | jetscreamer | tyler: yeah you can fix it |
| 10:22.37 | jetscreamer | make a list, and go to pdo and start downloading |
| 10:22.40 | jetscreamer | then install |
| 10:22.42 | dondelelcaro | tyler: you don't; the solution is to wait or to install the older kdelibs versions |
| 10:22.51 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
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| 10:22.59 | sjeal | jetscreamer, can gedit display docs content in different colors, as in Kate or Kwrite? |
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| 10:23.06 | tyler | so remove kdelibs, and than install older ones? |
| 10:23.08 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 10:23.14 | jetscreamer | yeah to sjeal i mean |
| 10:23.38 | Exerd | hi i have some prolblems getting dhcp to work. I tried "dhcpcd eth0" but it doesnt work. any suggestions? |
| 10:23.41 | jetscreamer | tyler: if you can't figure it out, you really shouldn't be trying... not trying to be mean, just realistic |
| 10:23.45 | dondelelcaro | tyler: you can install the older ones by visiting s.d.n or p.d.o to download the last versions of kdelibs4 before the g++ ABI transition |
| 10:24.06 | dondelelcaro | tyler: but again, this is part and parcel of using unstable; if you aren't ready for it, you should stick to stable or testing. |
| 10:24.06 | sjeal | jetscreamer, thks. you need to scream so people know who u are trying to talk to. LOL. |
| 10:24.17 | tyler | i know |
| 10:24.19 | tyler | my bad |
| 10:24.20 | tyler | :) |
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| 10:24.28 | dondelelcaro | Exerd: you've got to give us a TON more details then "it doesn't work" |
| 10:24.30 | jetscreamer | i made it work though |
| 10:24.31 | dondelelcaro | !tell Exerd -about ask |
| 10:24.34 | tyler | jetscreamer: :) |
| 10:24.36 | jetscreamer | then i got tired of it |
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| 10:24.57 | dondelelcaro | yeah, it's not a big deal when you know what you're doing... but when you don't, it's definetly not recommended. |
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| 10:25.11 | js_ | how do i turn off the pc speaker? |
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| 10:25.25 | Exerd | dondelelcaro: ok. It still has the ip "192.168.0.1" it doesnt get ip from the server |
| 10:25.27 | jetscreamer | unload the module is one way, but the mixers have a setting for it also |
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| 10:25.34 | jetscreamer | pc_speaker that is |
| 10:25.42 | jetscreamer | i think the module name in 2.6 |
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| 10:25.46 | Reilithion | so, if Microsoft's products got labeled like Debian's, there'd be dozens of frozen testing releases and nothing stable at all? |
| 10:25.50 | dondelelcaro | Exerd: give us (using the paster bot or #flood) the output of dhclient eth0; |
| 10:26.00 | dondelelcaro | Reilithion: not even |
| 10:26.07 | jetscreamer | testing is more pleasant than windows imo |
| 10:26.11 | Reilithion | hehe |
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| 10:26.21 | caranthir | js_ there is an option in gnome's sound configuration but not sure at a lower level |
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| 10:26.28 | tyler | me again |
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| 10:26.42 | dondelelcaro | and on that merry note, local time all! |
| 10:26.43 | tyler | when i try to remove kdelibs i get this |
| 10:26.51 | jetscreamer | you will |
| 10:27.02 | caranthir | 5:30 am for me... |
| 10:27.11 | Reilithion | 04:25 |
| 10:27.19 | jim | he means happy 5:30 then :P |
| 10:27.19 | jetscreamer | tyler: man dpkg --force-help , but remember if it breaks you get to fix it |
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| 10:27.42 | tyler | :) |
| 10:27.43 | tyler | oke |
| 10:28.22 | caranthir | why did progeny get dropped |
| 10:28.24 | jetscreamer | use the force luke... (bad advice :) ) |
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| 10:28.44 | jim | if you remove kdelibs, things will be removed that depend on kdelibs... you should let them be removed. they won't run. at all. no worky. |
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| 10:29.30 | caranthir | surely space isn't at such a premium that you're removing kdelibs cause of that |
| 10:29.47 | jetscreamer | no he's running sid and wants kde to function |
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| 10:29.58 | caranthir | what is sid |
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| 10:30.05 | jetscreamer | unstable |
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| 10:30.14 | jim | so -don't- use force unless you want large pieces of your installation to fail |
| 10:30.15 | caranthir | ohh |
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| 10:30.33 | jonathans | what does install to pendrive mean when it says "entyer the device name (example sda):" ? |
| 10:30.43 | jetscreamer | he wants to downgrade kdelibs4 and others i believe |
| 10:30.55 | jetscreamer | it means it wants to know where your pendrive is |
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| 10:31.11 | caranthir | will it break stuff in stable if I switch to glibc 1.4? |
| 10:31.13 | jetscreamer | /dev/sda is common for them i believe |
| 10:31.16 | jonathans | dev/cloop? |
| 10:31.16 | jim | he might have problems finding the packages, given we're talking about unstable :) |
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| 10:31.28 | jetscreamer | probably caranthir |
| 10:31.54 | caranthir | oh well, I really want to run zsnes but it requires glibc 1.4 |
| 10:32.00 | jim | caranthir: yes, if you try installing a different libc, it could break just about every binary executable on your system... |
| 10:32.09 | caranthir | that's what I thought |
| 10:32.16 | jetscreamer | jim: it can be done, i did it, but it was a clean install and it ain't pretty |
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| 10:32.49 | caranthir | are there options to make zsnes work without switching to 1.4? like have someone else build it or something? |
| 10:32.50 | jim | what you do is build the glibc you want, but make sure it doesn't install in any known place |
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| 10:33.11 | jim | why don't you build it? |
| 10:33.27 | caranthir | I have glibc 1.3 something |
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| 10:34.00 | jim | caranthir: have you tried building the thing you want against that lib? |
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| 10:34.17 | caranthir | configure script fails |
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| 10:34.38 | jim | it states it needs the new libc? |
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| 10:34.44 | caranthir | yep, requires 1.4 |
| 10:34.45 | jetscreamer | caranthir: if you're not running a server, etch/testing is a pretty smooth ride... ymmv and all that |
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| 10:34.52 | jim | what about older versions of this zthingy? |
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| 10:35.05 | caranthir | that's possible |
| 10:35.11 | fireba11 | "if you'Re not running a server" ? why that? |
| 10:35.22 | jetscreamer | gee i dunno.... |
| 10:35.39 | jetscreamer | security.. nah, couldn't be security... |
| 10:35.43 | SerajewelKS | fireba11, because you're not supposed to use anything but stable for mission-critical things |
| 10:35.44 | jetscreamer | hmmm..... |
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| 10:35.49 | caranthir | I've got a buddy with a rhel system and knowing rh its gotta being running glibc 1.4, if he built me a binary would it work? |
| 10:35.51 | jetscreamer | i want a sid server! |
| 10:35.53 | jonathans | what does this line from df mean when it says dev/cloop 116.5M(used) 116.5M(available) 0(available) 100%(use%) /KNOPPIX(mounted on) |
| 10:35.53 | jim | if you are running a server meant to serve thousands of users, you probably want to run the stable debian... |
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| 10:35.59 | jetscreamer | or experimental |
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| 10:36.03 | fireba11 | ah well, but apart fro that? :-) |
| 10:36.06 | SerajewelKS | fireba11, testing can break too (though it's not as common as unstable breaking) |
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| 10:36.25 | jetscreamer | etch/sid is cool if you keep up |
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| 10:36.38 | jim | sometimes it's more broken than sid... but that's not usual |
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| 10:37.08 | jetscreamer | i never say etch for desktops, stable for server, sid for playing... but i would., |
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| 10:37.41 | jim | it all depends on what you want to do |
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| 10:38.03 | jim | you might be a programmer and want a -stable- development platform |
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| 10:38.31 | caranthir | so building glibc for 1.4 for only one application... won't it have a ton of dependancies that also aren't available? |
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| 10:39.01 | jim | caranthir: you don't install the build in /us |
| 10:39.04 | jim | caranthir: you don't install the build in /usr |
| 10:39.09 | tengulre | Hi,all |
| 10:39.41 | Reilithion | greets, tengulre |
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| 10:39.47 | caranthir | but like if I get the sources and set it to install in some other directory won't it call a bunch of dependancies that also aren't available? |
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| 10:39.50 | tengulre | ;) |
| 10:40.01 | caranthir | while I'm tyring to compile it I mean? |
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| 10:40.31 | jim | don't build it as a package |
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| 10:40.40 | jim | and don't involve the debian packaging system |
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| 10:40.53 | jim | and don't install it -anywhere- debian has control over |
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| 10:41.17 | caranthir | that's what I mean to do but I'm afraid it call it a bunch of dependancies during configure that I also don't have |
| 10:41.26 | ronrad | ledet: vserver looks exactly what I was looking for, thanks! |
| 10:41.28 | Coke | caranthir: then it won't compile |
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| 10:42.05 | johaBBa | if i boot to a liveCD, rsync all to a separate system as a backup....can i just boot to liveCD, rsync back, then re-install grub to restore? am i missing any steps?...besides mounting and partitioning |
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| 10:43.21 | caranthir | I think I get the idea, basically a whole glibc 1.4 set of libs and stuff set apart from everything else |
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| 10:43.54 | jim | yes, like in /home/caranthir/libchome/ |
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| 10:46.23 | caranthir | I've got an HID usb joystick that debian picks up and seems to load a module for but its not linking to js0, what devs do I need to try? |
| 10:46.48 | Akbar | sda? |
| 10:46.53 | Akbar | oh sorry |
| 10:46.57 | Akbar | lol |
| 10:47.02 | Akbar | never mind |
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| 10:48.17 | liable | caranthir: whats dmesg say about it? |
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| 10:48.54 | tombs_ | 2 |
| 10:49.03 | tombs_ | exit |
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| 10:51.02 | madclicker | is there a way to setup vpn client connection from kde? |
| 10:51.12 | caranthir | input: USB HID v1.00 [GIC USB Joystick] on usb1:4.0 |
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| 10:51.37 | jeffrin | madclicker : why not |
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| 10:51.58 | jetscreamer | !xdoc |
| 10:52.18 | jetscreamer | dpkg, xdoc is <reply> http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/ http://x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/ |
| 10:52.18 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 10:52.20 | Exerd | dondelelcaro: dhclient eth0 doenst work |
| 10:52.23 | madclicker | jeffrin: am all ears |
| 10:52.25 | jonathans | what is this cmos option on this nic2000 "boot from loader"? |
| 10:52.29 | Kasha | Hi, anybody know why pam_ldap is not work ? |
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| 10:52.43 | caranthir | VPN is a pretty broad category |
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| 10:52.49 | madclicker | the gas prices here in ontario are gone through the roof |
| 10:53.04 | madclicker | 1.27 a litre |
| 10:53.06 | caranthir | liable: input: USB HID v1.00 [GIC USB Joystick] on usb1:4.0 |
| 10:53.08 | jm_ | at least you're paying similar prices to uss ;) |
| 10:53.11 | Ronin | madclicker: no better anywhere else |
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| 10:53.36 | jetscreamer | 3 bucks us here |
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| 10:54.06 | madclicker | the funny thing is, news is complaining about people looting in new orleans, guess where they learning that, from the goverment |
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| 10:54.11 | jetscreamer | jonathans: at a guess, probably pxe aka netboot |
| 10:54.20 | madclicker | jetscreamer: a galon |
| 10:54.27 | jetscreamer | yeah a gallon |
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| 10:54.56 | caranthir | gosh I can't figure out what dev my joystick is talking to |
| 10:54.59 | caranthir | :( |
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| 10:55.05 | madclicker | jetscreamer: thats almost 6 bucks if you converet |
| 10:55.10 | jetscreamer | caranthir: apt-get install joystick |
| 10:55.14 | finn_ | you have to listen very carefully |
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| 10:56.08 | jonathans | jetscreamer: boot from net is the next option down..... the thing has an ide device that is a 4meg ram that detects in cmos as a 4meg hd.. i'm wandering if its a "loader" whatevere that is |
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| 10:56.28 | jetscreamer | might be |
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| 10:56.41 | caranthir | got it installed, now what? |
| 10:56.47 | jetscreamer | your very own /boot |
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| 10:56.55 | caranthir | no man entry :( |
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| 10:57.05 | jonathans | just hangs when i enable "boot from loader" so i guess its not supported by this version |
| 10:57.32 | jetscreamer | caranthir: should create the dev nodes for you |
| 10:57.35 | jetscreamer | should have |
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| 10:57.48 | jetscreamer | /dev/js0 iirc |
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| 10:58.23 | liable | jonathans: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 10:58.49 | caranthir | well I have the device nodes, its just not connecting my joystick to them |
| 10:59.08 | caranthir | it works when I use this other cheapo joystick I have |
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| 10:59.18 | jetscreamer | caranthir: there are gameport modules, and also joystick modules |
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| 10:59.35 | hyperstream | how can i list how much free space i have on each partition |
| 10:59.40 | petemc | df -h |
| 10:59.40 | jetscreamer | df -h |
| 10:59.45 | jetscreamer | damn too slow |
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| 11:00.10 | jonathans | liable:i'm trying to get this latest version of dsl to boot from usb pen drive on this computer(nic2000) that it was designd for it and claims it can do it |
| 11:00.13 | hyperstream | wierd |
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| 11:00.45 | liable | jonathans: and you are asking here, because? |
| 11:01.06 | jonathans | it says its debian knoppix linux |
| 11:01.16 | hyperstream | hmm wierd |
| 11:01.26 | jetscreamer | !knoppix |
| 11:01.26 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
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| 11:01.45 | liable | jonathans: debian doesnt have a live cd, and dsl isnt debian, so it makes it very hard to help.. |
| 11:01.46 | hyperstream | is there a way to list all my partitions on my hdd? |
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| 11:02.01 | fireba11 | fdisk -p |
| 11:02.01 | liable | fdisk |
| 11:02.02 | jetscreamer | fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 11:02.07 | hyperstream | oh thanks |
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| 11:02.20 | jetscreamer | cat /proc/somethingsomething |
| 11:02.26 | fireba11 | lots of ways :-) |
| 11:02.28 | liable | hah |
| 11:02.47 | caranthir | can I use debian to get a girlfriend? is there a command for that? |
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| 11:02.55 | liable | !sex |
| 11:02.55 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 11:02.56 | ZeroSlug | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:03.02 | fireba11 | apt-get girlfriend |
| 11:03.02 | hyperstream | /dev/hda3 2492 5678 25599577+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA <------ this is vfat isnt it ? |
| 11:03.08 | fireba11 | + install |
| 11:03.09 | fireba11 | damn |
| 11:03.11 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 11:03.28 | hyperstream | mount -t vfat /dev/hda4 /home/hyperstream/datastorage |
| 11:03.31 | liable | extended. |
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| 11:03.37 | hyperstream | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda4, |
| 11:03.47 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 11:03.51 | jetscreamer | 4 vs 3 |
| 11:04.00 | jetscreamer | /dev/hdwhich |
| 11:04.02 | Kasha | anybody may help me with pam_ldap ? |
| 11:04.04 | hyperstream | omg |
| 11:04.06 | hyperstream | that was lame |
| 11:04.12 | hyperstream | im apologize people |
| 11:04.13 | tengulre | hyperstream, Please recomplie your kernel and add modules vfat! |
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| 11:04.31 | Reilithion | caranthir: try grep girlfriend /dev/bar |
| 11:04.44 | jetscreamer | an attorney |
| 11:04.44 | hyperstream | now how do i make it auto load that new mount on boot up |
| 11:04.49 | jetscreamer | fstab |
| 11:04.55 | jetscreamer | /etc/fstab |
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| 11:05.00 | jetscreamer | man fstab too |
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| 11:05.18 | fireba11 | hm . or maybe "mount /dev/girl" |
| 11:05.20 | jetscreamer | but it's kinda easy |
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| 11:06.06 | Reilithion | Life needs a grep command |
| 11:06.07 | tengulre | :) |
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| 11:06.11 | caranthir | cat /dev/girl/mouth >> /dev/null |
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| 11:06.30 | fireba11 | wtf ? |
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| 11:06.30 | Reilithion | Ever want to grep toothbrush /dev/backpack ? |
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| 11:06.46 | tengulre | cat /dev/random >>/dev/girl/day |
| 11:06.51 | fireba11 | got kicked for spam ?? |
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| 11:06.55 | Reilithion | or grep keys /dev/house |
| 11:06.57 | midg3t | Reilithion: i tend to want to grep shoes /dev/house most often |
| 11:06.57 | fireba11 | hehe |
| 11:06.57 | liable | stop it.. |
| 11:07.02 | Reilithion | lol |
| 11:07.08 | cahoot | #debian-teens? |
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| 11:07.17 | jetscreamer | 06.06.47 * Closing Link: adsl-64-219-216-41.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (K-lined) |
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| 11:07.24 | Akbar | !india |
| 11:07.24 | dpkg | india is, like, a shit place where you can only get slackware, or paradise on earth, or http://linuxinindia.pitas.com |
| 11:07.25 | jetscreamer | we all got klined eh |
| 11:07.39 | Akbar | lol wtf |
| 11:07.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | wtf? |
| 11:07.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
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| 11:07.55 | Akbar | hahahahah!! |
| 11:07.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | nice one blokes ;) |
| 11:08.02 | tengulre | HAO XIAO O!! |
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| 11:08.10 | caranthir | all of new delhi has been put under investigation for piracy I heard |
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| 11:08.14 | fireba11 | can someone plz tell me why i get kicked for spam without typing anything ? |
| 11:08.16 | hyperstream | WTF why is the new mount owned by root, and then when i try to chown -R the folder says 'Operation not permitted' |
| 11:08.24 | tengulre | NI MEN HAO !!! |
| 11:08.31 | Akbar | piracy? guess.. windows piracy |
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| 11:08.50 | caranthir | are you trying to change an ntfs partition perhaps? |
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| 11:09.16 | midg3t | or vfat |
| 11:09.18 | resiak | !tell hyperstream -about vfatrw |
| 11:09.20 | fireba11 | crap |
| 11:09.29 | fireba11 | i get kicked for spamming every couple mins now .. wtf ? |
| 11:09.31 | resiak | I think we can safely assume that hyperstream is trying to do that. |
| 11:09.34 | Akbar | man performing that /list command in xchat is ... $#%# |
| 11:09.43 | midg3t | heh |
| 11:09.44 | Kasha | how-to enable debug messages in pam-modules ? |
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| 11:09.54 | resiak | fireba11: Go ask #freenode, not us. |
| 11:10.01 | fireba11 | kk |
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| 11:10.28 | aaaaaaaaa | i think my /etc/network/interfaces file is fucked up. My dhcp doesnt work. Can somebody with dhcp paste their interfaces file? |
| 11:10.31 | Akbar | fireba11.. running mIRC under wine? :P |
| 11:10.52 | caranthir | wine, blah |
| 11:11.05 | Akbar | wine is awesome |
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| 11:11.06 | beardy | aaaaaaaaa: man 5 interfaces |
| 11:11.09 | Akbar | for dvdshrink :P |
| 11:11.15 | liable | aaaaaaaaa: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 11:11.44 | fireba11 | Akbar: kk, will do |
| 11:11.59 | Akbar | don't do it dude :P |
| 11:12.06 | caranthir | aaaaaa: can you get an ip from dhcp if you invoke dhclient manually? |
| 11:12.07 | Reilithion | yeah, it's a bad idea |
| 11:12.10 | Akbar | ask the mods in #freenode |
| 11:12.21 | Akbar | haha |
| 11:12.28 | Reilithion | mIRC is uber vulnerable |
| 11:12.32 | Akbar | haha yeah |
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| 11:12.54 | aaaaaaaaa | caranthir: dont know how to do that =( |
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| 11:12.57 | jim | Reilithion: that's probably because it runs in windows... |
| 11:13.05 | caranthir | aaaaa: dhclient -d |
| 11:13.08 | Reilithion | Windows is uber-vulnerable. |
| 11:13.12 | Akbar | no it's because of that mIRC scripting language |
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| 11:13.23 | hyperstream | hmm how do i reload new fstab configuration? or should i unmount the current partition in order to let it renew settings that are in fstab, or is a reboot required in order to do this |
| 11:13.24 | Reilithion | that too |
| 11:13.30 | aaaaaaaaa | caranthir: that command doesnt worl |
| 11:13.30 | jim | oh, ok |
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| 11:13.44 | liable | hyperstream: mount -o remount /blah |
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| 11:13.47 | caranthir | what's the error |
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| 11:14.24 | liable | !doesn't work |
| 11:14.25 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 11:14.30 | aaaaaaaaa | caranthir: its no such command |
| 11:14.38 | liable | as root! |
| 11:14.41 | liable | errr... |
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| 11:14.51 | hyperstream | im still getting permission denied on chown'ing the partition for the user: hyperstream:hyperstream |
| 11:14.51 | defcon8 | how do you unload a module again? |
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| 11:14.57 | caranthir | you are trying as root right? |
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| 11:15.07 | aaaaaaaaa | caranthir: yea of course =) |
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| 11:15.21 | defcon8 | anyone? |
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| 11:15.29 | Reilithion | aaaaaaaaa: are you sudo'ing? |
| 11:15.29 | liable | modprobe -r |
| 11:15.30 | defcon8 | come in its an easy question |
| 11:15.34 | defcon8 | thanks |
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| 11:15.49 | defcon8 | ah it wasnt working because i qwasnt root lol |
| 11:15.52 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 11:15.52 | aaaaaaaaa | Reilithion: i do su |
| 11:15.57 | liable | right easily answered in man modprobe.. |
| 11:16.04 | amorphix | whats with the debian overflow thing? |
| 11:16.05 | jm_ | why did you have to ask it if it's so easy? |
| 11:16.06 | hyperstream | caranthir, yes |
| 11:16.12 | defcon8 | liable, i wasnt root |
| 11:16.16 | defcon8 | damn |
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| 11:16.37 | amorphix | ive been automatically joined to another channel #debian-overflow |
| 11:16.41 | defcon8 | KelebekTurkce743 <-- probably another turkish spammer |
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| 11:16.45 | amorphix | but i cannot speak there |
| 11:16.46 | caranthir | you are trying to do that stuff to an ntfs mount hyperstream? |
| 11:16.53 | hyperstream | no |
| 11:16.55 | hyperstream | vfat |
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| 11:17.00 | liable | amorphix: well, seeing as you are here.... |
| 11:17.02 | Reilithion | aaaaaaaaa: so you're using dhcpc, then? |
| 11:17.03 | rixth | I can't seem to get the script icu-config. It's not in any of the libicu* debs |
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| 11:17.27 | amorphix | phew |
| 11:17.28 | liable | amorphix: try reading the topic there.. |
| 11:17.31 | amorphix | ok |
| 11:17.33 | aaaaaaaaa | Reilithion: yea that command works |
| 11:17.35 | Akbar | are there any good gtk2 filemanagers out there? |
| 11:17.39 | caranthir | anyone, does kernel 2.4 in debian support r/w on vfat by default? |
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| 11:17.52 | hyperstream | 2.6.12.5 im using |
| 11:17.53 | aaaaaaaaa | Reilithion: i tried dhcpcd eth0 but i get no ip |
| 11:18.09 | Reilithion | aaaaaaaaa: what does it say? |
| 11:18.16 | jetscreamer | this sucks by the way |
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| 11:18.24 | caranthir | did you compile it? |
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| 11:18.41 | wombachi | caranthir on vfat of course. ntfs is another story. (guess which company is the culprit :) |
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| 11:18.56 | Reilithion | !tell aaaaaaaaa -about paster |
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| 11:19.34 | hyperstream | ok so how do i make fstab mount me new partition line i added to it |
| 11:19.44 | hyperstream | mount -o remount ? |
| 11:20.04 | aaaaaaaaa | Reilithion: it doesnt say anything |
| 11:20.15 | beardy | hyperstream: mount /foo |
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| 11:20.40 | saloxin | hyperstream: mount -a will also do |
| 11:20.45 | caranthir | anyone drink yerba mate? |
| 11:20.52 | sassytomato | me |
| 11:20.59 | Reilithion | aaaaaaaaa: man dhcpc a bit and see if you can figure out how to get it to display the IP it gets. |
| 11:21.00 | hyperstream | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda3, |
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| 11:21.23 | beardy | ifconfig |
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| 11:22.18 | liable | hyperstream: try mounting it manualyy.. man mount man fstab |
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| 11:22.58 | hyperstream | all fixed |
| 11:23.00 | hyperstream | thanks guys |
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| 11:23.55 | fireba11 | am back *wee* |
| 11:24.43 | caranthir | has anyone tried the snes9x server? |
| 11:25.51 | beardy | !anyone |
| 11:25.51 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 11:26.53 | beardy | caranthir: Be more specific please. |
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| 11:27.43 | Reilithion | !yesno |
| 11:27.44 | dpkg | well, yesno is Only ask a question that can be answered with "yes" or "no" if you really want "yes" or "no" as the answer. If you don't want "yes" or "no" as the answer, _ask a different question_. See also http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/FGA/questions-with-yes-or-no-answers.html |
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| 11:28.03 | Delph | wow, someone else still uses homepages.tesco.net! |
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| 11:28.58 | Reilithion | !yes |
| 11:28.58 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
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| 11:30.00 | jetscreamer | udev i never figured out the joystick, i removed udev instead. |
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| 11:33.19 | SimonRaven | *!sonsuz_k@adsl196-60-135-206-196.adsl196-5.iam.net.ma spam bot |
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| 11:33.49 | takatumi | damn, this ain't gonna subside? |
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| 11:34.51 | man_in_shack | is anyone here good with udev? i need some help in making a rule |
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| 11:35.22 | man_in_shack | i'd like to know what PLACE and ACTION are, cos i think they're gonna be useful |
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| 11:36.44 | Reilithion | I love dpkg. |
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| 11:36.52 | Reilithion | !2^16 |
| 11:36.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, 2^16 is 65536 :-)) |
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| 11:37.00 | Reilithion | !2^15 |
| 11:37.00 | dpkg | 13 |
| 11:37.09 | man_in_shack | that's not right |
| 11:37.10 | man_in_shack | hehe |
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| 11:37.23 | Reilithion | i know. isn't it great? |
| 11:37.42 | Reilithion | Silly dpkg, math is for dc! |
| 11:37.44 | Eclipser | !2^12 |
| 11:37.44 | dpkg | 14 |
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| 11:37.59 | Eclipser | there must be some logic here |
| 11:38.02 | Eclipser | !2^11 |
| 11:38.02 | dpkg | 9 |
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| 11:38.11 | Eclipser | or not |
| 11:38.18 | takatumi | man_in_shack: looked in /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules |
| 11:38.21 | Reilithion | I'm guessing it adds if it's even, and subtracts if it's odd |
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| 11:38.31 | Eclipser | Reilithion, quite possible |
| 11:38.35 | Eclipser | !2^10 |
| 11:38.35 | dpkg | 8 |
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| 11:38.38 | Reilithion | or not |
| 11:38.39 | Eclipser | or not :) |
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| 11:38.49 | Reilithion | !math |
| 11:38.49 | dpkg | It's maths, not math, damn it. You don't say "I like mathematic", it's "I like mathematics". |
| 11:38.56 | man_in_shack | takatumi, thanks, looking now |
| 11:39.03 | Reilithion | ... |
| 11:39.14 | man_in_shack | takatumi, doesn't tell me |
| 11:39.15 | Reilithion | !dead |
| 11:39.16 | dpkg | yes :( |
| 11:39.26 | Eclipser | !alive |
| 11:39.29 | man_in_shack | PLACE - match the physical position where the device is plugged into << i think i know what that is |
| 11:39.30 | hyperstream | !nvidia on-liner |
| 11:39.33 | hyperstream | !nvidia one-liner |
| 11:39.33 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 11:39.43 | man_in_shack | but ACTION is a mystery. it's not on that page |
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| 11:41.27 | Reilithion | !bones |
| 11:41.27 | dpkg | bones is, like, Dr Leonard McCoy -- "Dammit, Jim, I'm a DOCTOR, not an escalator!!" |
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| 11:42.48 | man_in_shack | lol |
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| 11:43.07 | takatumi | man_in_shack: ACTION Match the kernel action name. (from man udev) |
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| 11:43.32 | Reilithion | Ah. I figured it out, maybe. |
| 11:43.35 | man_in_shack | takatumi, but what does that MEAN? |
| 11:43.43 | Reilithion | !2**10 |
| 11:43.43 | dpkg | 1024 |
| 11:43.47 | Reilithion | haha! |
| 11:44.01 | Reilithion | I still have no idea what ^ does =/ |
| 11:44.10 | takatumi | man_in_shack: *shrug* :) |
| 11:44.14 | man_in_shack | Reilithion, xor |
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| 11:44.44 | Reilithion | exclusive or, eh? |
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| 11:44.56 | Reilithion | wait, is that a C reference? |
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| 11:45.24 | man_in_shack | it's xor |
| 11:45.24 | man_in_shack | XOR |
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| 11:45.35 | man_in_shack | 5^3=2 |
| 11:45.43 | man_in_shack | !5^3 |
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| 11:45.43 | dpkg | 6 |
| 11:45.51 | Reilithion | ... |
| 11:45.55 | man_in_shack | ? |
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| 11:45.58 | Reilithion | rofl! |
| 11:46.03 | man_in_shack | oh yeah, that's right |
| 11:46.13 | man_in_shack | cos 3 is 011 and 5 is 101 |
| 11:46.21 | man_in_shack | so, yes, 6 |
| 11:46.24 | Reilithion | so it'd be 110 |
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| 11:46.29 | man_in_shack | yeah |
| 11:46.29 | Reilithion | which is 6 |
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| 11:46.50 | Reilithion | Does the ^ part come from C originally? |
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| 11:47.04 | man_in_shack | Reilithion, no idea |
| 11:47.09 | man_in_shack | but it made its way into python |
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| 11:47.21 | Reilithion | It seems like the kind of thing C would come up with |
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| 11:47.39 | Reilithion | and I can't imagine dpkg using something exclusive to python |
| 11:47.42 | man_in_shack | in pascal, it's pointer reference |
| 11:47.58 | man_in_shack | Reilithion, no it's not exclusive, it's in C |
| 11:48.03 | man_in_shack | i just don't know where it came from originally :) |
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| 11:48.32 | man_in_shack | pascal is stupid. to do powers, you have to do: pwr(a,b); instead of a**b :) |
| 11:48.34 | Reilithion | !start a language war |
| 11:48.34 | dpkg | csh is better than C |
| 11:48.43 | man_in_shack | lol |
| 11:48.48 | man_in_shack | that is so true ;) |
| 11:48.53 | tgwj | dpkg, no |
| 11:48.53 | dpkg | No Offense |
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| 11:51.50 | Reilithion | an audacious number. |
| 11:51.53 | Reilithion | 469 |
| 11:51.58 | Reilithion | !469 |
| 11:52.04 | Reilithion | *shrugs* |
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| 11:52.41 | Reilithion | !dead |
| 11:52.41 | dpkg | yes :( |
| 11:53.06 | Reilithion | !awake |
| 11:53.06 | dpkg | well, caffeine is every programmers greatest need or the giver of life-source and the taker of sleep or necessary for most system administrators who have to deal with idiots who think that the world starts at 9a and ends at 5p. http://www.reallifecomics.com/comics/20000710.gif, or http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/caffeine/caffeine.shtml |
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| 11:53.22 | Reilithion | Great idea, dpkg. I think I'll go get some now. |
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| 11:54.51 | tgwj | dpkg, get Reilithion a coffee |
| 11:55.01 | tgwj | !coffee Reilithion |
| 11:55.19 | Reilithion | Well, thank both of you. |
| 11:55.25 | Swappa__ | can i chat with someone about using captive-ntfs please? |
| 11:55.29 | skate | there are mountains in jamaica? |
| 11:55.34 | Reilithion | ... there's a blue mountain in Jamaica? |
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| 11:55.51 | Swappa__ | I'm not sure if it works... |
| 11:55.58 | Reilithion | !ask |
| 11:55.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:57.34 | Swappa__ | when using captive-ntfs, is deleting files still 'writing' to the hdd? (all I want to do is delete files and don't know what perms to use) |
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| 11:58.23 | Swappa__ | dpkg -that better? (thanx for the tip) |
| 11:58.46 | jetscreamer | !fondle Swappa__ |
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| 11:58.50 | dodochin | swappa__, it's a bot.. |
| 11:58.51 | Gathond | Swappa__: dpkg is a bot :) and yes write permissions is required for deleting stuff |
| 11:58.52 | jetscreamer | damn |
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| 11:59.03 | jetscreamer | !pal Swappa__ |
| 11:59.05 | Swappa__ | crap" |
| 11:59.10 | yac | where can I find Gnome menu file ? |
| 11:59.18 | Swappa__ | ,ok thanx Gathond |
| 11:59.21 | Reilithion | !bot |
| 11:59.21 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 11:59.28 | skate | i don't know why you would even fuck with captive if you don't know what you are doing |
| 11:59.39 | Swappa__ | lol! |
| 11:59.43 | skate | captive is great for destroying ntfs partitions |
| 11:59.47 | Gathond | Swappa__: I dont know how stable/safe it is to do this on ntfs though |
| 11:59.59 | yac | !lol ? |
| 11:59.59 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line. Everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a Knoppix user. |
| 12:00.06 | Swappa__ | I heard, hense the quest (ions) |
| 12:00.12 | jetscreamer | Swappa__: http://www.ubcd4win.com/ |
| 12:00.16 | caranthir | has anyone use paragon ntfs driver? |
| 12:00.25 | Swappa__ | i'm on it |
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| 12:02.09 | skate | i wonder if that WinFS is going to be read/write-able under linux |
| 12:02.16 | Reilithion | Ok, I want to configure these keys on my laptop keyboard (Fn-F5 and Fn-F6) to raise and lower the volume on the speakers like they're supposed to. Where do I begin? |
| 12:02.18 | skate | or is it going to be a cunt like ntfs |
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| 12:02.39 | man_in_shack | skate, last i heard was that winfs wasn't gonna be put in longhorn/vista |
| 12:02.46 | skate | oh yeah? |
| 12:02.50 | Swappa__ | probably cuntier |
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| 12:04.00 | wombachi | skate, winfs will be released as an xp/vista add-on (beta version avail. now iirc) |
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| 12:04.32 | rovragge | how do I diplaythe build-deps for a pkg? |
| 12:04.38 | rovragge | display even |
| 12:04.51 | jm_ | you can find them in dsc files |
| 12:05.00 | rovragge | but how without downloading it? |
| 12:05.15 | jm_ | apt-get should do it |
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| 12:05.27 | yac | *yac is silently wondering what "diplaythe" means |
| 12:05.37 | rovragge | 2display the" |
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| 12:05.50 | Reilithion | yac! |
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| 12:05.53 | Reilithion | !spelling |
| 12:05.53 | dpkg | it has been said that spelling is best dealt with in a qualitative sense. "It's a poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word.", or what Ambrose Bierce said anyway |
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| 12:06.45 | yac | Reilithion: heh, for a non-english it is not as easy you know. |
| 12:07.02 | vox | hi, i'm trying to conf my own kernel(as the one that comes with net-inst-amd64 has something compiled in that confilcts with nvidia), but the ncurses-devel package doesnt exist. has it been renamed to something else? |
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| 12:07.23 | jm_ | vox: /msg dpkg menuconfig |
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| 12:07.50 | ormvegr | i had a problem with the nvidia drivers to |
| 12:08.02 | ormvegr | i just used the ones from nvidia |
| 12:08.03 | vox | jm_: many thanks |
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| 12:08.22 | tgwj | Reilithion, about those hotkeys : if you are on GNOME, use Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts ;; if not, apt-get install hotkeys |
| 12:08.37 | miz | If I only use "C" locale, would removing 'locales' package break anything? |
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| 12:09.02 | Swappa__ | tgwj -nice tips man |
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| 12:09.28 | Reilithion | tgwj: thanks. |
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| 12:12.52 | Swappa__ | So what kind of damage can cptive-ntfs do to the winstallation? |
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| 12:13.32 | insulae | hi how i can connect to mysql from network, i can connect only from localhost, i check the my.cnf and y have "#skip-networking" comment, and i dont have firewall, helpme please (sorry for my english i speak spanish ==) ) |
| 12:13.38 | wiegehts | Swappa__, do you have no option to copy data to cd to transfer to NTFS? |
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| 12:14.51 | Swappa__ | I'd just like to delete some files from 'protected' folders in windows um... no |
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| 12:15.52 | rovragge | hen running apt-get build-dep I get: E: Some broken packages were found while trying to process build-dependencies. You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. But when I issue apt-get -f install nothing changes |
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| 12:16.15 | skate | trippy, the installer on the current daily testing image has linux24 and expert24 boot methods but it actually extracts and installs the 2.6 kernel |
| 12:16.16 | caranthir | swappa do you know what pointers are? |
| 12:16.24 | skate | Swappa__: why can't you just boot windows and delete them |
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| 12:16.32 | caranthir | in a programming context |
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| 12:16.58 | Swappa__ | no caranthir |
| 12:17.06 | Reilithion | !greycat |
| 12:17.07 | dpkg | hmm... greycat is at http://209.142.155.49/greycat.yi.org/ or an error-message-to-apt-get-install translation bot, or way too quick, or magical, or http://wooledge.org/~greg/ or moron #42, or better than a gigapet, or great woodleg, or a linux distro, or sometimes has too much time on his hands, or he outgrew alt.sex.binaries back before it was even alt.binaries.pictures.erotica, or he has nice furry legs, or a sweet ride |
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| 12:17.41 | S4nD3r | Hi. How do I send a konsole message to a remote computer in my network. Ihave the root password of remote compter |
| 12:17.46 | Reilithion | I see. Well, then. Welcome, greycat |
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| 12:18.03 | caranthir | i'm trying to think of a way to explain why everyone is discouraging you from trying this... |
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| 12:18.54 | S4nD3r | Id like to send a notification to a user, but he is in a remote computer in my network. |
| 12:19.13 | dodochin | caranthir, i say he goes for it.. how can borking windows be a bad thing? |
| 12:19.14 | Swappa__ | just say it $ucks it up |
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| 12:19.37 | streuner | S4nD3r: How about email? |
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| 12:19.52 | caranthir | yeah, wiping windows is the only true way to learn linux anyway... |
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| 12:20.20 | S4nD3r | hummm |
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| 12:20.42 | S4nD3r | But the message could be at exact time which she is online in computer |
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| 12:20.57 | greycat | S4nD3r: telephone. |
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| 12:21.41 | rovragge | S4nD3r: If you have root, a direct way is just to login to the computer as root and use "write user ttyname" |
| 12:21.50 | man_in_shack | i'm having some issues with udev. is there a howto somewhere for udev+debian? |
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| 12:22.10 | streuner | S4nD3r: another suggestion: IRC ;-) |
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| 12:22.17 | S4nD3r | ok then |
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| 12:22.40 | greycat | man_in_shack: Here's the greycat udev howto: 1) Don't run udev. |
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| 12:23.12 | man_in_shack | greycat, i wanna at least TRY to get it working |
| 12:23.17 | jar9000 | hi to all & thx in advance. I have a query like 'SELECT * from table WHERE id = y ORDER BY x' there is any SQL/server function way to get previous/next records to the result of my query? |
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| 12:23.50 | streuner | man_in_shack: read the _fine_ docs then. |
| 12:23.59 | jethro | jar9000: this is #debian, not #sql or whatever |
| 12:24.05 | man_in_shack | streuner, i can't find any that are useful |
| 12:24.09 | jar9000 | exampleups |
| 12:24.12 | jar9000 | ups |
| 12:24.22 | jar9000 | sorry |
| 12:24.24 | antgel | i have an iptables script that i've always used and modified for routers. i'm setting up a new router and am thinking of using shorewall. if i like my script which is simple but functional, should i even bother? |
| 12:24.35 | chin | *list |
| 12:24.38 | rovragge | jar9000: previous/next in what sense? as in next = 'id'+1 ? |
| 12:24.49 | greycat | rovragge: he wants a programmatic way to retrieve the rows. |
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| 12:24.55 | streuner | man_in_shack: if you unable to find those docs even, you should't use it then. |
| 12:24.58 | greycat | and it's going to depend on the language and toolkit he's using |
| 12:25.00 | caranthir | sounds like a homework problem to me... |
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| 12:25.10 | greycat | caranthir: no, I do that crap at work all the time |
| 12:25.10 | antgel | jar9000: what? your query is your query. previous/next records make no sense |
| 12:25.16 | man_in_shack | http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html << doesn't tell you everything |
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| 12:25.31 | caranthir | I'm talking about the sql question... |
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| 12:25.38 | Swappa__ | is there a better way to delete files from an ntfs windows folder then maybe? |
| 12:25.46 | jar9000 | rovragge: there is the problem: ids do not have order. it is given by Order by |
| 12:25.50 | greycat | it's no longer an SQL question. he already *has* the SQL. he needs the toolkit half. |
| 12:25.52 | chin | # |
| 12:25.55 | greycat | and we can't answer it |
| 12:25.57 | antgel | man_in_shack: perhaps if you told us what your problem is we might be able to help |
| 12:26.00 | chin | #list |
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| 12:26.25 | greycat | (that's chin, BTW) |
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| 12:26.32 | tgwj | Swappa__, shred <ntfs partition> |
| 12:26.38 | antgel | what was chin doing? |
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| 12:26.49 | Swappa__ | hah! (not mine) |
| 12:26.56 | greycat | apparently trying every "give me your warez!!!" command he could think of. |
| 12:27.15 | skate | !xdcc list |
| 12:27.15 | dpkg | One list being sent to skate. |
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| 12:27.35 | greycat | shouldn't that be "skate skates"? |
| 12:27.45 | skate | eh? |
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| 12:27.50 | pngwn | !greycat++ |
| 12:27.57 | tgwj | !brain |
| 12:27.57 | dpkg | something you don't have, tgwj. |
| 12:28.13 | tgwj | dpkg knows me well |
| 12:28.14 | frank__ | If I set my adsl router to bridging and then have a filtering bridge behind it, would that save me ips? I have a block of 8. i.e. --|ADSL BRIDGE|--|Linux FW Bridge|--|Lan PCs using Zen GW| Would that setup work? |
| 12:28.17 | man_in_shack | antgel, well for one thing, /dev/pts is empty |
| 12:28.26 | greycat | man_in_shack: even after "ssh localhost"? |
| 12:28.32 | phaedral | doesn't apt-get -f defeat the whole purpose of having a "pure" install or relying on a package distro? |
| 12:28.34 | greycat | man_in_shack: they should be created on the fly |
| 12:28.39 | man_in_shack | so i can't make new xterms |
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| 12:28.49 | rovragge | jar9000: define what "next row" means for you |
| 12:28.49 | antgel | man_in_shack: wounder. uname -r? |
| 12:29.01 | streuner | man_in_shack: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 12:29.12 | man_in_shack | uname -r: 2.6.12-bob |
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| 12:29.15 | rovragge | jar9000: or "next record" even |
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| 12:29.22 | antgel | frank__: use nat |
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| 12:29.40 | greycat | man_in_shack: custom kernel? |
| 12:29.44 | streuner | man_in_shack: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 12:29.48 | man_in_shack | greycat, yeah |
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| 12:29.56 | man_in_shack | streuner, wouldn't it say the same as uname -r? |
| 12:30.01 | greycat | then you screwed up the config. turn on pseudoterminals |
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| 12:30.05 | frank__ | antgel, I want the internal pcs to have public ips on their if |
| 12:30.05 | antgel | man_in_shack: fix your kernel. udev goes by what is included in your kernel |
| 12:30.07 | amorphix | how to set system time? |
| 12:30.07 | greycat | man_in_shack: try it and see. |
| 12:30.07 | streuner | man_in_shack: no |
| 12:30.14 | greycat | amorphix: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 12:30.22 | amorphix | thanks greycat |
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| 12:30.30 | man_in_shack | greycat, where do i look for that? |
| 12:30.33 | phaedral | no, really, after all the nonsense about "derived systems" aren't debian, if you don't want things to break don't step outside of stable, well, what's the point if the packages in the stable distro won't install w/o -f? |
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| 12:30.37 | greycat | man_in_shack: less .config |
| 12:30.44 | man_in_shack | ... |
| 12:30.48 | man_in_shack | greycat, what's it called? |
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| 12:31.06 | antgel | frank__: don't use nat. :) i'm actually doing a similar thing here, with zen as well! but we use nat. i was trying to work out what i need on the router. think it's ppp half bridge mode. |
| 12:31.09 | greycat | !debian kernel image |
| 12:31.09 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
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| 12:31.37 | phaedral | not only did I try to vet my problems here before submitting bug reports yesterday---to absolutely no fucking avail---responses I got basically blew me off |
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| 12:31.58 | phaedral | one said "works for me, bug closed"; the other said "try -f, bug closed" |
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| 12:32.15 | jar9000 | rowrage: imagine a list of rows given by: 'SELECT * from x ORDER by y'. I want to retrieve next/previous rows of a row identified by id=z. I want a server-side way to do this. |
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| 12:32.38 | antgel | jar9000: do you have any idea what you're doing? |
| 12:32.39 | man_in_shack | ty greycat |
| 12:32.44 | greycat | 08:32 <-man_in_shack[n=shack@58.163.134.153] i was asking in #debian cos it's debian's udev package |
| 12:32.53 | greycat | is if's SID's udev, then you get to /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 12:33.04 | man_in_shack | ah ty |
| 12:33.07 | frank__ | antgel, do you know if all 8 ips are fully routed? |
| 12:33.36 | phaedral | and seeing how quick y'all are to jump people's shit when you can I'll have to assume I've raised issues you can't address |
| 12:33.38 | man_in_shack | i just thought people in here might know what rules to use ... |
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| 12:33.58 | frank__ | antgel, it might be possible with just no-nat, but bridging would save on ips. (i.e. my fw doesn't have an ip) |
| 12:34.02 | antgel | frank__: be careful. the 8 ip package is only 5 usable. 1 network, 1 broadcast, 1 router. why can't you use nat? |
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| 12:34.20 | jar9000 | antget: yes, actually y do this without a cursor (with a 6 statement script). I want to know if is there a short-way. |
| 12:34.25 | dodochin | man_in_shack, *you* should know, or you shouldn't be doing it |
| 12:34.34 | antgel | man_in_shack: why are you compiling your kernel? |
| 12:34.37 | frank__ | antgel, just preference. Why 1 router ip? Why must that ip be used for the router? |
| 12:34.39 | greycat | !info linux-image-2.6-k6 sid |
| 12:34.41 | man_in_shack | dodochin, that's a very pathetic attitude |
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| 12:34.44 | greycat | !info linux-image-2.6-k7 sid |
| 12:34.45 | man_in_shack | antgel, cos i like to |
| 12:34.49 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-k7: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on AMD K7 machines), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.12-5 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 12 kB |
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| 12:34.51 | greycat | there. |
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| 12:35.02 | greycat | you need a 2.6.12 kernel in SID? THERE'S ONE RIGHT THERE! |
| 12:35.23 | man_in_shack | i like to know what's in my kernel, build it for my preferences |
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| 12:35.37 | man_in_shack | and not have modules for stuff i never use |
| 12:35.38 | dodochin | man_in_shack, no that's how it is, why try to do something that is obviously over your head then expect others to fix it for you? if you don't know how to build a functional kernel GET AN IMAGE |
| 12:35.50 | antgel | man_in_shack: you're missing the point entirely |
| 12:35.53 | jethro | do you *have* to have a 2.6.12 kernel to use udev? I've been using it lately with my 2.6.11-hardened-r5 by gentoo without a problem |
| 12:35.58 | greycat | !custom kernel |
| 12:35.58 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 12:36.00 | jethro | (in sid of course) |
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| 12:36.22 | greycat | if you want to learn, LEARN. but we won't help with that stuff. ##linux might. you're already there. ASK THEM. It's *their* damned broken unstable gratuitously-changing kernel. |
| 12:36.28 | Akbar | dodochin.. but maybe that's the way you actually learn something by trying it out |
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| 12:36.37 | rovragge | SELECT * from x where id = z-1 or id = z+1 ORDER by y |
| 12:36.44 | frank__ | antgel, if the adsl is in bridging mode, why does the router need an ip? there should be 1network and 1broadcast |
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| 12:36.47 | dodochin | akbar, trying is fine, expecting others to fix it for you, not so much |
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| 12:37.14 | rovragge | jar9000: I might not have understood your question |
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| 12:37.23 | antgel | man_in_shack: if you want to know what's in the kernel, get an image and look in /boot/config*. if you don't want modules for things you don't need, don't load them. |
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| 12:37.32 | man_in_shack | dodochin, i resent the implication that i don't know what i'm doing. if instead of saying "look in .config" people said "look in .config for CONFIG_BLAH_BLAH and make sure it's enabled" you wouldn't get this sorta problem |
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| 12:37.49 | antgel | man_in_shack: we get this 400 times a day |
| 12:37.52 | greycat | can I +q him again? PLEASE? |
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| 12:38.08 | jethro | greycat: yes please! |
| 12:38.15 | man_in_shack | dodochin, this is why people think linux is elitist, cos of the few people who never get a useful answer |
| 12:38.15 | man_in_shack | greycat, i'll leave soon |
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| 12:38.24 | antgel | man_in_shack: the useful answer is download an image |
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| 12:38.44 | antgel | man_in_shack: and do something more useful with your cycles |
| 12:38.55 | jar9000 | rovragge: is my english: very limited.... |
| 12:38.55 | man_in_shack | antgel, so i'll just sit here staring at my menuconfig for the rest of the night |
| 12:38.56 | man_in_shack | i don't want a kernel image |
| 12:38.57 | Swappa__ | ... makes sense man_in_shack, especially learning linux from bush-shack |
| 12:39.00 | Vibes | Hi, how can I see if debian samba package is build with msdfs support plz? |
| 12:39.02 | rovragge | jar9000: SELECT * from x where id between z-1 and z+1 ORDER by y |
| 12:39.03 | dodochin | man_in_shack, again you miss the point, if you don't know what config option to look for and aren't willing to find it out yourself.. that's what the image packages are for! |
| 12:39.04 | antgel | greycat: do it :P |
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| 12:39.46 | antgel | man_in_shack: i would love to hear your reasons for not wanting a kernel image, other than thinking that you are a hacker because you used really simple, polished tools to compile a kernel |
| 12:39.50 | rovragge | jar9000: or do you mean the next/previous rows as they are stored in the table? |
| 12:39.53 | skate | dude, he's using menuconfig and still can't figure out how to take out unnecessary modules? |
| 12:40.01 | jar9000 | rovragge: that! |
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| 12:40.14 | man_in_shack | dodochin, if that's the case the only people who'd ever make a kernel is the guys who actually build it |
| 12:40.19 | rovragge | jar9000: depends on database. $rowid on oracle for example can help |
| 12:40.20 | Akbar | kernel compiling is magic :D |
| 12:40.25 | greycat | skate: 'less .config' *is* how I find crap in the kernel config file. He seemed to dislike my practical experience-based answer, though. |
| 12:40.27 | man_in_shack | dodochin, cos it's those guys who have to tell people about the new stuff |
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| 12:40.33 | jar9000 | rovrrage: mysql? |
| 12:40.37 | skate | hah |
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| 12:40.56 | Akbar | you simply do 'make kernel' and it's done without actually configuring |
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| 12:41.05 | jethro | !permasunday |
| 12:41.05 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 12:41.20 | greycat | And it's september, too. Again, and forever.... |
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| 12:41.25 | jethro | :[ |
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| 12:41.39 | jar9000 | rowragge: my solution is to set a @var and increment it +1 for every row. Then i use this to get next/previous. |
| 12:41.48 | oKtosiTe_work | antgel, I stopped using kernel images a while ago, and my homebrews seem to have more functionality, while being faster too, want more reasons? |
| 12:42.06 | jethro | oKtosiTe_work: then you're not part of the 99% |
| 12:42.15 | Akbar | yeah but you should actually read some guides to do it |
| 12:42.18 | greycat | oKtosiTe_work: did you ask us what every single option is called, or did you read the configs yourself and figure it out? |
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| 12:43.02 | oKtosiTe_work | greycat, haha, I didn't read up on the whole conversation, apologies. |
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| 12:43.26 | oKtosiTe_work | jethro, 99% of what? |
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| 12:43.46 | jethro | !debian kernel image |
| 12:43.46 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 12:44.08 | guk | for lazy people like me |
| 12:44.09 | guk | <-- |
| 12:44.11 | jethro | oKtosiTe_work: ^^ |
| 12:44.13 | antgel | oKtosiTe_work: how can a kernel _seem to_ have more functionality? |
| 12:44.27 | oKtosiTe_work | jethro, then again, I use Gentoo for personal use, Debian for mass deployment. |
| 12:44.48 | Akbar | patches? |
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| 12:45.03 | jethro | oKtosiTe_work: and? I just said you can do custom kernels without being handholded :) |
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| 12:45.16 | antgel | oKtosiTe_work: well if you use gentoo, no wonder you're compiling and making ambiguous claims of improvements :P |
| 12:45.18 | oKtosiTe_work | antgel, whatever. |
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| 12:45.24 | skate | haha |
| 12:45.25 | jethro | oKtosiTe_work: where most people asking #debian about custom kernel should use kernel-image packages :) |
| 12:45.29 | skate | well done antgel |
| 12:46.01 | frank__ | antgel, does this look like it'd work? http://pastebin.com/351848 |
| 12:46.27 | madclicker | looking for vpn client for sarge |
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| 12:46.48 | antgel | oKtosiTe_work: you may say "talk to the hand". my question still stands. i'm coming from the POV of someone who has to deal with many compiling idiots |
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| 12:47.11 | moeen | I'm making a DEB package. but I want when I upgrade my package, the postinst doesn't run ! what code I must write or what to do ? |
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| 12:47.24 | antgel | frank__: did i answer you before? the router needs an ip address to act as a gateway for the workstations. |
| 12:47.26 | oKtosiTe_work | antgel, skate: the "whatever" was in reply of an earlier line, I do notice only a minor increase in performance when using Gentoo, it's mostly about control. |
| 12:47.29 | jethro | moeen: /msg dpkg dnm |
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| 12:47.39 | Esaj | is there a nice wizard thing for configuring CUPS? |
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| 12:47.56 | frank__ | antgel, sorry I didn't see you answer. Can't all the workstations connect to the zen gateway? |
| 12:47.56 | saloxin | Esaj: http://localhost:631 |
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| 12:48.05 | Anthro | Esaj: A few. The best, in my opinion, is KDE's. |
| 12:48.06 | moeen | jethro, I saw this document, and couldn't find anything about this relation |
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| 12:48.21 | antgel | frank__: good point. probably. i'll check your pastebin. |
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| 12:48.31 | Esaj | saloxin: ah, but what about the nice wizard thing that ubuntu has? |
| 12:48.32 | rovragge | jar9000: if you are allowed to alter the table, add a "rowid" as a new auto_increment int column last to the table and use that |
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| 12:48.44 | Esaj | Anthro: is there a gnome one? |
| 12:48.50 | Esaj | Anthro: if so, what's the package name? |
| 12:48.53 | Anthro | Esaj: I believe so. I am unfamiliar with GNOME. |
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| 12:49.02 | ndee | hi there, I'm always getting attacks from brazilians on my server, is there I way I could stop those "attacks"? They generate ca. 150 req/s and that makes my server very slow. Any help is appreciated. |
| 12:49.11 | antgel | frank__: looks fine imo. have you investigated how to make your router bridge? |
| 12:49.14 | Esaj | ooh, I found it |
| 12:49.18 | Esaj | gnome-cups-manager |
| 12:49.21 | saloxin | Esaj: isn't that some gnome thing? like gnome-cups-manager orso |
| 12:49.24 | saloxin | heh |
| 12:49.27 | Anthro | ndee: Are their IP addresses known? |
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| 12:49.34 | rovragge | ndee: what kind of requests? http? |
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| 12:49.37 | oKtosiTe_work | antgel, I also learned a lot since I started using Gentoo. Which I couldn't say after using Debian for three weeks. I do really like Debian, beit for its ease of use. |
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| 12:49.53 | ndee | rovragge: yes, http requests. |
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| 12:49.58 | jar9000 | rovragge: i have an id. Problem is that order of rows id determined bi 'Order By' clause and id+1 not implies that id+1 is next row. |
| 12:49.58 | ndee | Anthro: Yes |
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| 12:50.12 | Anthro | ndee: I would recommend blocking those IP addresses with iptables. |
| 12:50.13 | antgel | oKtosiTe_work: *nod* |
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| 12:50.26 | greycat | jar9000: you're STILL HERE? why are you not in #sql or #whateverlanguageI'musing? |
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| 12:50.41 | frank__ | antgel, yes. It's a Zyxel 650 and it does bridging nicely. |
| 12:50.45 | ndee | Anthro: ok. |
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| 12:51.06 | tgwj | oKtosiTe-server, that's true... I'd probably still be using gentoo if the compiles didn't take so long |
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| 12:51.21 | skate | exactly |
| 12:51.22 | rovragge | jar9000: if you would add a second id column (which you do not order by) then rowid+1 would mean "next in table" |
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| 12:51.31 | skate | why would you sit and watch a gentoo box compile for literally days |
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| 12:51.46 | jar9000 | greycat: because rovrage have the generosity of try to anser me. |
| 12:51.48 | skate | you can have a debian stable desktop that is fully functional in hours |
| 12:51.56 | greycat | minutes |
| 12:52.01 | antgel | seconds |
| 12:52.06 | skate | nanoseconds |
| 12:52.10 | xrgtn | I have problem with samba logs -- they are inadequeate for mv/rmdir/unlink audit. Log level 3 already produces a lot of info, and somehow I don't see and SMBunlink but only "set_delete_on_close_over_all: Adding delete on close flag" at log level 10!!! |
| 12:52.11 | oKtosiTe_work | skate, why hours? |
| 12:52.15 | greycat | minutes is realistic. |
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| 12:52.30 | xrgtn | s/and SMBunlink/any SMBunlink/ |
| 12:52.35 | oKtosiTe_work | skate, Gentoo has binary packages. |
| 12:52.35 | greycat | if it takes you more than 30 minutes to install sarge on a generic i386 box with no hardware less than 2 years old, you're doing something wrong. |
| 12:52.47 | skate | greycat: i'm including time it takes to install every package |
| 12:53.02 | skate | including ones that you have to build yourself |
| 12:53.06 | oKtosiTe_work | skate, I keep a standard list, why bother every time? |
| 12:53.07 | greycat | if "every package" includes GNOME or KDE, then yes, the downloading may take a while. |
| 12:53.08 | skate | mplayer, dvd::rip etc. |
| 12:53.16 | greycat | skate: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 12:53.16 | ndee | what's the best way to look at a 1GB big log file? |
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| 12:53.27 | cbr | marillat should do mplayers for k8 |
| 12:53.35 | skate | i used marillat for dvd:rip |
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| 12:53.37 | cbr | with sse2 and 3dnow |
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| 12:53.39 | Anthro | ndee: Your favorite editor, generally, or grep if you know what you're looking for. |
| 12:53.41 | rovragge | xrgtn: use strace on the server smbd process (logging all relevant calls) |
| 12:53.41 | jar9000 | rovrage: i need to go lunch. Ill see you. thanks. |
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| 12:53.52 | skate | greycat: what do you prefer for console mp3 playing then? |
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| 12:54.05 | greycat | skate: I use xmms for playing my audio files. |
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| 12:54.27 | greycat | skate: but the point is you don't BUILD mplayer. you just download it from marillat. |
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| 12:54.51 | skate | yeah i get what you mean |
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| 12:55.28 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: So you used my qotd0. |
| 12:55.33 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 12:55.37 | greycat | seemed the least evil alternative. |
| 12:55.46 | rovragge | strace -p `pgrep smbd` -e t=file -o sambafile.log |
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| 12:56.22 | soldiar | so ^^ |
| 12:56.24 | soldiar | thanx |
| 12:56.27 | xrgtn | rovragge: I'd just prefer separate logging/debug facilities like in squid. Samba has them, but too coarse, so that with needed output there's a lot of crap in the same group. |
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| 12:57.18 | rovragge | xrgtn: strace might not give enough info either as it caps syscall info |
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| 12:57.37 | greycat | rovragge: you can increase the length of the strings it displays with -s |
| 12:57.48 | xrgtn | rovragge: I use strace frequently but don't want to risk attaching it to busy samba server |
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| 12:58.10 | xrgtn | rovragge: anyway, thanks for suggestion. |
| 12:58.12 | rovragge | xrgtn: it does not include which user performed which operation also |
| 12:58.32 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 12:58.32 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd89 is <legba7> How do i find out what makes my woody beep and do not stop to beep till i create another beep. |
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| 12:58.37 | Hecate | how can we re-open Xwindows when we closed it with ctrl+alt+f1 |
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| 12:58.47 | greycat | hehe |
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| 12:58.52 | xrgtn | rovragge: native samba logs have many advantages. And yes, strace does not include user info |
| 12:58.56 | antgel | we need the qotds on a website |
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| 12:59.06 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: fortune file. |
| 12:59.06 | greycat | I think someone's got that already |
| 12:59.07 | Swappa__ | cntrl-alt-f5 |
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| 12:59.11 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Where? |
| 12:59.17 | skate | asg has them on a page somewhere |
| 12:59.28 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Where is that page somewhere? |
| 12:59.29 | skate | i read them all the other day |
| 12:59.41 | ricky_clarkson | skate: Ctrl-H |
| 12:59.43 | skate | i might have it in my history lemme check |
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| 12:59.47 | rovragge | xrgtn: does not sound too hard to patch in samba |
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| 13:00.04 | xrgtn | that's what I'm gonna do |
| 13:00.17 | ricky_clarkson | skate: It'd be cool if we could get it into fortune. |
| 13:00.20 | asg | ricky_clarkson: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc-qotd.fortune |
| 13:00.30 | greycat | !listvals shacknet.nu |
| 13:00.32 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'shacknet.nu' by value (1): elven. |
| 13:00.32 | asg | ricky_clarkson: take that and run 'strfile(1)' on it |
| 13:00.41 | xrgtn | because anyway I found all interesting for me msgs... |
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| 13:00.56 | greycat | dpkg, qotd fortune is http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc-qotd.fortune |
| 13:00.56 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 13:00.59 | ricky_clarkson | <greycat> alias fucking=apt-get |
| 13:01.00 | ricky_clarkson | <greycat> fucking install mpg321 |
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| 13:01.37 | greycat | asg: we got 143 yesterday BTW. |
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| 13:01.46 | greycat | not a great one IMHO, but... |
| 13:01.59 | ricky_clarkson | asg: How can I use that with fortune? |
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| 13:02.08 | soldiar | i've got a big problem, with apt-get caused of proftpd. can somebody help me? http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=47688 |
| 13:02.19 | greycat | !ftp must die |
| 13:02.19 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 13:02.47 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I wish you were a Java programmer. |
| 13:02.47 | soldiar | greycat, right. i wanna use sftp. but it installs it himself... |
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| 13:02.58 | hyperstream | im using point2play / cedega and its system test's says my geforce 2 mx 400 64meg has no 3d acceleration |
| 13:03.02 | soldiar | greycat, and I don't like it :( |
| 13:03.05 | greycat | soldiar: sftp is part of ssh. not proftpd. |
| 13:03.19 | hyperstream | i take it this means the nvidia one liner didnt setup my graphics right? |
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| 13:04.07 | greycat | hyperstream: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
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| 13:04.07 | soldiar | greycat, yeah. but i've got a problem with apt-get caused by proftpd which I never wanted to have. |
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| 13:04.27 | hyperstream | direct rendering: Yes |
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| 13:04.44 | greycat | hyperstream: ask #cedega, then. |
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| 13:04.57 | soldiar | greycat, maybe you can help me or somebody else here... http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=47688 <- that's my problem. |
| 13:05.02 | hyperstream | so basicly that says ive got 3d accelleration? |
| 13:05.06 | greycat | hyperstream: yes |
| 13:05.16 | hyperstream | ty |
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| 13:06.51 | asg | ricky_clarkson: with strfile (in the fortune-mod package) You may want to run 'par dnw79' on it first to generate a nicer fortune output. |
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| 13:07.24 | hyperstream | !nvidia one-liner |
| 13:07.25 | greycat | No manual entry for par |
| 13:07.25 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 13:07.41 | Swappa__ | any idea how I could return all Kde's display/window settings back to "out-of-the-box" in a cammand-line or simply? |
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| 13:07.47 | ricky_clarkson | asg: what greycat said. |
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| 13:08.05 | asg | ricky_clarkson: apt-get install par |
| 13:08.15 | ricky_clarkson | Cryptic. |
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| 13:09.10 | abrotman | ok .. what is +6 that nickserv keeps setting? |
| 13:09.13 | asg | greycat: the page is built automatically from a nightly download of dpkg's database dump. #143 was in when last night's run occurred. It will make it in tonight. |
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| 13:09.37 | ricky_clarkson | asg: cat thefile | par dnw79 |
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| 13:09.51 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Bad argument for par. |
| 13:09.55 | abrotman | it doesn't work if it's supposed to keep people from msg'ing me |
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| 13:11.09 | lambert_ | hi |
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| 13:11.19 | asg | ricky_clarkson: well, it worked on woody. I've since upgraded to sarge so I'll have to have a look. |
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| 13:11.58 | ricky_clarkson | sid here. |
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| 13:12.36 | hyperstream | does the nvidia one-liner work for xorg? |
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| 13:12.54 | greycat | hyperstream: probably not |
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| 13:13.12 | greycat | !nvidia xorg |
| 13:13.19 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 13:13.20 | hyperstream | !nvidia xorg |
| 13:13.21 | ddavid | Question : where is DIRCOLOR located on debian ? |
| 13:13.30 | Anthro | greycat: Given that ftp must die, how would I set something up so someone who is not especially technically inclined could upload a file or files to my machine without needing an account on it? |
| 13:13.33 | greycat | hyperstream: repeating it without modification won't help. |
| 13:13.46 | greycat | Anthro: web interface |
| 13:13.49 | skate | hyperstreamer: it would be difficult to reconfigure xfree86 if you are running xorg. |
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| 13:14.04 | hyperstream | i installed the one lienr on xfree |
| 13:14.07 | Anthro | greycat: Is such a web interface packaged handily? |
| 13:14.10 | hyperstream | then recently updated to xorg |
| 13:14.14 | asg | ricky_clarkson: try par 79d < infile > outfile |
| 13:14.22 | hyperstream | wouldnt it transfer driver over? |
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| 13:14.33 | greycat | Anthro: no |
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| 13:14.49 | greycat | hyperstream: ask #nvidia or #xorg |
| 13:14.50 | skate | _usually_ everything from XF86Config-4 will migrate into xorg.conf with no problems |
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| 13:14.56 | jethro | greycat: aren't there problems with serving large files with an httpd? |
| 13:15.00 | greycat | skate: including third-party binary drivers? |
| 13:15.07 | Anthro | greycat: Do you know of such a thing out there, even if it isn't packaged? |
| 13:15.11 | skate | no, that's why i said usually |
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| 13:15.19 | Delph | jethro: what, like ISOs and DVD images? |
| 13:15.26 | greycat | Anthro: not off hand... ask #web |
| 13:15.28 | jethro | Delph: precisely |
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| 13:15.35 | greycat | you use bittorrent for those, duh. |
| 13:15.37 | Xteven | hi, has anyone here successfully setup debian with openssi as explained on http://www.openssi.org/cgi-bin/view?page=docs2/1.9/debian/INSTALL.html ? |
| 13:15.39 | Delph | jethro: so that's a no then =:) |
| 13:15.41 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Ok, now what? |
| 13:15.45 | ricky_clarkson | Done the strfile. |
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| 13:15.56 | jethro | Delph: wget doesn't like large files as per my experience |
| 13:16.05 | Delph | oh, that's a problem with wget, surely. |
| 13:16.12 | jethro | Delph: possibly |
| 13:16.18 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: add it to "qotd fortune" |
| 13:16.32 | Delph | but i never really had many problems doing it. |
| 13:16.33 | greycat | ok, let's do this brute force thing in /msg if everyone'll stop bugging me |
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| 13:16.49 | greycat | THERE! |
| 13:16.52 | greycat | !xorg-nvidia |
| 13:16.52 | dpkg | well, xorg-nvidia is http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/16446.html |
| 13:16.53 | Delph | i seem to remember getting a 3gig file over http without issue with wget. |
| 13:17.06 | greycat | only took 5 tries. |
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| 13:17.57 | jethro | Delph: wget: progress.c:704: create_image: Assertion `insz <= dlsz' failed. << that's what I get when I wget a dvd image of sarge :) |
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| 13:18.08 | greycat | jethro: file a wishlist bug. |
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| 13:18.11 | asg | ricky_clarkson: then just type 'fortune <outfile>' |
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| 13:18.16 | Xteven | maybe some other place is advised to go for help with debian+openssi ? |
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| 13:18.34 | ricky_clarkson | asg: fortune:/home/ricky/debian-irc-qotd.fortune2.dat not a fortune file or directoryNo fortunes found |
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| 13:18.54 | ddavid | Question : how do I change the default colors for ls in debian ? |
| 13:18.55 | asg | ricky_clarkson: did you run strfile on it? |
| 13:19.00 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Yep. |
| 13:19.13 | asg | ricky_clarkson: look in the dir, you should have 'outfile' and 'outfile.dat' |
| 13:19.38 | ricky_clarkson | -rw-r--r-- 1 ricky ricky 21610 2005-09-01 14:16 debian-irc-qotd.fortune2 |
| 13:19.38 | ndee | when I delete something with "rm -rf", it's really really gone forever, right? |
| 13:19.41 | ricky_clarkson | -rw-r--r-- 1 ricky ricky 608 2005-09-01 14:16 debian-irc-qotd.fortune2.dat |
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| 13:20.06 | greycat | ndee: depends. |
| 13:20.17 | asg | ricky_clarkson: then fortune debian-irc-qotd.fortune2 should work |
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| 13:20.31 | skate | ndee: don't play around with rm without reading the man page, especially as root |
| 13:20.34 | greycat | if it's something that'll get you in jail, it's not gone. government thugs can probably recover it. |
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| 13:20.41 | ricky_clarkson | asg: It does. So what was the strfile for? |
| 13:20.47 | greycat | if it's something that you NEED, it's gone. |
| 13:21.05 | dimir | Iiihaaa! Spammers go away! |
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| 13:21.32 | asg | ricky_clarkson: creates the .dat file (random access file for storing strings) |
| 13:21.35 | ricky_clarkson | dimir: Freenode has been saying that for ages. Apparently they don't listen. |
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| 13:22.04 | ricky_clarkson | asg: How can I install it as a normal fortune file so that it gets used by fortune with no arguments? |
| 13:22.10 | Kasha | which crypt_salt and crypt algoritm uses for generate /etc/shadow hash ? |
| 13:22.19 | greycat | Kasha: man 3 crypt |
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| 13:22.34 | greycat | see also http://wooledge.org/~greg/crypt/ (shameless plug) |
| 13:22.35 | Kasha | greycat, i read it already .. |
| 13:22.47 | greycat | Kasha: then you know how to tell an MD5 hash from a DES hash. |
| 13:23.08 | asg | ricky_clarkson: I expect putting it in /usr/local/share/games/fortunes should do the trick (bot the .dat and the plain file) |
| 13:23.37 | greycat | (and from a Blowfish hash, on OpenBSD.) |
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| 13:23.59 | greycat | 09:23 Ignoring MSGS from TANATHOS |
| 13:24.01 | greycat | !msg |
| 13:24.01 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 13:24.04 | greycat | !root |
| 13:24.05 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 13:24.12 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Oh, it's so nice to do fortune -m ricky_clarkson |
| 13:24.13 | ricky_clarkson | ;) |
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| 13:24.25 | asg | ricky_clarkson: :) |
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| 13:25.08 | asg | ricky_clarkson: gotta run to a meeting, back later |
| 13:25.29 | defcon8 | what is the sendmail port? like how would i send mail to someone who runs sendmail? i need to know the port for the router |
| 13:25.35 | greycat | !mail tutorial |
| 13:25.35 | dpkg | somebody said mail tutorial was at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
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| 13:25.51 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd fortune |
| 13:25.51 | dpkg | hmm... qotd fortune is http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc-qotd.fortune |
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| 13:26.05 | defcon8 | thanks greycat |
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| 13:26.13 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: some of us don't need to edit the fortune data files to do that :P |
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| 13:27.31 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd fortune is also run par 79d < debian-irc-qotd.fortune > debian-irc-qotd.fortune then strfile debian-irc-qotd.fortune then copy debian-irc-qotd.fortune and debian-irc-qotd.fortune.dat to /usr/local/share/games/fortunes/ |
| 13:27.32 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: okay |
| 13:27.36 | defcon8 | ok how do i reconfigure exim? |
| 13:27.40 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 13:27.42 | greycat | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 13:27.55 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: they had to go and make it hard. |
| 13:28.04 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Stupid, more like. |
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| 13:28.18 | asuffield | pretty much have to be editing the config files anyway |
| 13:28.19 | greycat | I think there must be some sort of dick size war amongst the developers for who can have the most packages. |
| 13:28.27 | greycat | so they split the pacakge apart without any rhyme reason. |
| 13:28.29 | greycat | +or |
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| 13:31.20 | KursK | offtopic but well...anyone knows something like an unformat for fat runnin gunder linux/debian? |
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| 13:31.31 | greycat | "an unformat"? |
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| 13:31.36 | greycat | what the hell is that? |
| 13:31.44 | FieldySnuts | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/whatever ? |
| 13:31.45 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd87 |
| 13:31.46 | dpkg | [qotd87] <MaXoM> hello i have a problem with squirrelmail can i help you? |
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| 13:31.59 | FieldySnuts | some of those qotd's gotta go heh |
| 13:32.06 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: That one's brilliant. |
| 13:32.11 | asuffield | greycat: pre-1995 vms-derived platforms had 'format' programs that saved a copy of the data they overwrote, so an 'unformat' program could put it back again |
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| 13:32.13 | FieldySnuts | it is? |
| 13:32.21 | KursK | greycat, like getting back the old fat-table after formatting a fat partition... |
| 13:32.27 | FieldySnuts | weird |
| 13:32.34 | greycat | !unix lessons |
| 13:32.34 | dpkg | it has been said that unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 13:32.34 | KursK | asuffield, correctly...just know in msdos something existed like that... |
| 13:32.38 | asuffield | greycat: they also had a 'quick' mode, which turned this off. eventually that became the default |
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| 13:32.58 | resiak | KursK: No, because making a new fat by definition removes the old. |
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| 13:33.05 | greycat | asuffield: they had a whole plague of users who accidentally fell on their keyboards and spurted out the characters "format" in order? |
| 13:33.05 | asuffield | KursK: and then people decided they'd rather just create a filesystem in a few seconds, rather than sitting there running all this crap for 30 minutes |
| 13:33.13 | asuffield | greycat: vms users <shrug> |
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| 13:33.37 | asuffield | obviously, this is all quite obsolete now |
| 13:33.48 | KursK | resiak, well okay, so no hope it seems. All the data seems to be still on the disk... |
| 13:33.55 | CrocoJet | hi all .. how to renew my ip via terminal .. I am using dhcp |
| 13:33.56 | resiak | KursK: So repeatedly apply grep ! |
| 13:34.03 | CrocoJet | exist some command .. or only via boot ? |
| 13:34.05 | greycat | CrocoJet: your IP works. you're here. |
| 13:34.06 | FieldySnuts | use backups. yoU DID have backups right? |
| 13:34.07 | KursK | was just a thought, easy |
| 13:34.22 | KursK | FieldySnuts, it's not my data anyway, I have backups of course |
| 13:34.26 | resiak | KursK: apt-cache show mondo |
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| 13:34.43 | resiak | Oh wait, I misread. |
| 13:34.47 | jethro | ravenbird: aussiesmite FieldySnuts |
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| 13:34.48 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 13:34.53 | ricky_clarkson | asg: There appear to be two qotd71s in your list. |
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| 13:35.33 | KursK | resiak, thx but as I said, I do have a backup system, at least when my crappy tape drive works correct |
| 13:35.40 | CrocoJet | greycat, yes but exist some kind of command to do that via terminal ... because sometimes when i forget to turn on my cablemodem , I need reboot machine again to get IP via DHCP, understand ? |
| 13:35.40 | smartbhai | hi people can anyone helpe me out with installing via unichrome drivers |
| 13:35.48 | resiak | KursK: 14:36 resiak : Oh wait, I misread. |
| 13:35.57 | resiak | KursK: I thought it did what you want, but I lied. |
| 13:36.06 | KursK | resiak, oh sorry, okay |
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| 13:36.38 | caranthir | what the package for shockwave flash called, I can't find it :( |
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| 13:36.54 | greycat | CrocoJet: /etc/init.d/network<TAB> restart |
| 13:37.04 | antgel | caranthir: no shockwave on linux |
| 13:37.05 | greycat | whatever they named it for this release. |
| 13:37.12 | CrocoJet | greycat, thanks |
| 13:37.20 | resiak | caranthir: man apt-cache |
| 13:37.36 | cbr | greycat: is there no bash-completion package for debian? |
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| 13:37.52 | greycat | !as,k |
| 13:37.54 | greycat | !ask |
| 13:37.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:38.02 | stew | cbr: /etc/bash_completion |
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| 13:39.16 | cbr | stew: oh, it's just not enabled at my bashrc |
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| 13:40.11 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd27 |
| 13:40.12 | dpkg | <yevgeniy2> !sest <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test -!- yevgeniy2 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood] <dpkg> No, yevgeniy2, you're not online any more. |
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| 13:40.21 | ricky_clarkson | That one didn't happen really, did it? |
| 13:40.22 | jethro | hahah |
| 13:40.27 | jethro | that one is awsome :) |
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| 13:41.12 | greycat | that's fucking BRILLIANT. |
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| 13:48.51 | Exerd | when i do ifup eth0 i get "could not bring eth0 up" What could be wrong? |
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| 13:49.11 | ricky_clarkson | Exerd: man 5 interfaces |
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| 13:49.42 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Were you one of the dancer-ircd writers, or just blootbot? |
| 13:49.43 | Exerd | ricky_clarkson i read it but i cant figure out whats wrong anyway |
| 13:49.55 | ricky_clarkson | Exerd: I use ifconfig. |
| 13:50.01 | greycat | Exerd: ifconfig -a |
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| 13:50.08 | asuffield | I've done both over the years |
| 13:50.13 | PDani | hi |
| 13:50.16 | PDani | in thunderbird how can i automatically every emails in an account put to a folder? |
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| 13:50.36 | Exerd | greycat: what does it do? |
| 13:50.37 | greycat | there's no thundrebird channel? |
| 13:50.39 | greycat | Exerd: man ifconfig |
| 13:50.41 | jitendra | exit |
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| 13:50.46 | ricky_clarkson | /quit |
| 13:50.56 | jitendra | thanx:) |
| 13:51.24 | Exerd | greycat: the command doesnt work |
| 13:51.30 | Exerd | greycat: and yes i am root |
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| 13:51.39 | greycat | !down, not across |
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| 13:51.43 | greycat | !down not across |
| 13:51.44 | dpkg | it has been said that down not across is the a.s.r motto. http://google.com/search?q=down,+not+across |
| 13:51.54 | syntaxx | which is better qmail or postfix? |
| 13:52.01 | greycat | !better |
| 13:52.01 | dpkg | well, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 13:52.36 | guevolt | Someone can tell me what is this: http://smartlinks.com.br/~aflavio/kernel.log ? |
| 13:52.51 | greycat | it's a URL |
| 13:52.52 | stew | a url? |
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| 13:53.08 | greycat | or "an URL" depending on how you pronounce it |
| 13:53.10 | guevolt | no. hehe. look the file kernel.log |
| 13:53.10 | guevolt | hehe |
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| 13:53.27 | syntaxx | which MTA is better to use qmail or postfix? |
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| 13:53.38 | tralala | !tell syntaxx -about better |
| 13:53.43 | greycat | we KNOW they are MTAs, dumb ass. |
| 13:53.45 | tralala | second time |
| 13:53.46 | stew | syntaxx: postfix, since its part of debian |
| 13:53.48 | blow | hlpfull gents here ? |
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| 13:53.52 | greycat | blow: no. |
| 13:53.56 | blow | great :) |
| 13:54.06 | Mardus | blow: Are you then expecting helpful ladies?? |
| 13:54.07 | streuner | !start a MTA war |
| 13:54.07 | dpkg | sendmail is hard to configure |
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| 13:54.16 | Mardus | (Hi...) |
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| 13:54.26 | blow | any way i need php5 so i tought to go to unstable |
| 13:54.34 | greycat | how does one "need" php5? |
| 13:54.36 | blow | but un upgrade |
| 13:54.36 | tralala | blow: don't |
| 13:54.36 | greycat | ever? |
| 13:54.40 | greycat | under any circumstances? |
| 13:54.45 | greycat | does it cure cancer? |
| 13:54.45 | blow | i'm getting 2 errors don't know how to solve |
| 13:54.49 | blow | libpam0g |
| 13:54.52 | tralala | !tell blow -about sid faq |
| 13:54.55 | Mardus | Does it pump water? |
| 13:54.58 | blow | and libperl5.9 |
| 13:55.01 | blow | 5.8 |
| 13:55.04 | rovragge | syntaxx: I would recommend postfix but its a complex question like "vi vs emacs" |
| 13:55.14 | greycat | does it turn one fish into enough fish to feed a whole mob? |
| 13:55.17 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
| 13:55.29 | Mardus | Or does it prevent looting? |
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| 13:56.06 | ricky_clarkson | Only electrified fencing does that, ime. |
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| 13:56.38 | blow | i know tralala but i was guessing that someone here may have run into the problem and could help me out |
| 13:56.45 | sgeigerbot | Is there a way to decode the contents of /var/log/btmp to look at which passwords were attempted? I assume brute-forcing is the only way. Does anyone know which one-way hash would be used? |
| 13:56.46 | FieldySnuts | @what does jethro pay you for |
| 13:56.47 | ravenbird | normally jethro pays me for foot massages, fieldysnuts, but I'm open to suggestions! |
| 13:56.56 | blow | but i was wrong.. |
| 13:56.59 | FieldySnuts | i obviously forgot to set +E, I have 23 query tabs open... |
| 13:57.16 | Mardus | blow: It doesn't matter too much as to whether you know someone. |
| 13:57.22 | greycat | sgeigerbot: mine's 0 bytes, which makes decoding somewhat fast. |
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| 13:57.27 | mboso | after i upgraded my glibc apt-file stopped working. When i try to do 'apt-file search' or 'apt-file update', it immediately exits with no output. |
| 13:57.30 | greycat | No manual entry for btmp |
| 13:57.32 | greycat | typical! |
| 13:57.34 | tralala | blow: it's much more difficult to get sid (user) help here than sarge/etch |
| 13:57.52 | blow | i didn't know |
| 13:57.59 | Angel-SL | ?purge |
| 13:58.04 | Angel-SL | 1purge |
| 13:58.06 | blow | just found this channel on debian so that's why i came here |
| 13:58.08 | Angel-SL | !purge |
| 13:58.08 | dpkg | somebody said purge was to complete wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package]..or if you allready removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge $(aptitude search ~c) |
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| 13:58.27 | ricky_clarkson | blow: What's the issue? Broken packages? |
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| 13:58.29 | Eiscreme | hi |
| 13:58.32 | tralala | blow: read the sid faq |
| 13:58.32 | greycat | but what if you have a user named c? |
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| 13:59.07 | greycat | dpkg, purge =~ s/~c/'~c'/ |
| 13:59.08 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 13:59.31 | tralala | ah, neat! |
| 13:59.33 | guevolt | what is happen? http://smartlinks.com.br/~aflavio/kernel.log ? |
| 13:59.37 | Eiscreme | How can a stream from <url>/foo.m3u be saved to the harddrive? I thought about a program, that saved EVERYTHING that comes from the sound-device, so that it does not matter if I use xmms, realplayer, winamp(crossover) or whatever |
| 13:59.39 | greycat | !purge them all |
| 13:59.39 | dpkg | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge, or do not complain if this deletes config files you still need |
| 13:59.44 | greycat | another one. |
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| 14:00.11 | stew | yikes |
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| 14:00.42 | tralala | it should be called purge'em all! |
| 14:00.51 | resiak | !info streamripper sid |
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| 14:00.53 | blow | tnxx all |
| 14:00.56 | blow | off reading :) |
| 14:00.57 | dpkg | streamripper: (download online streams into mp3 files), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.61.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 14:00.57 | greycat | dpkg, purge 'em all is <reply> see purge them all |
| 14:00.57 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 14:01.04 | tralala | :) |
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| 14:01.27 | resiak | Eiscreme: ^^^ |
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| 14:01.41 | greycat | mplayer also has stream-saving features |
| 14:01.47 | Eiscreme | redguy: oh thank you |
| 14:02.08 | cahoot | Eiscreme: arecord, ecasound lots of methods |
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| 14:02.42 | Eiscreme | greycat, cahoot and resiak, I thank you for the informations, try to find the working one, and thank everyone of you three for the informations |
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| 14:03.13 | guillaume | Feyr-Wrk: hi |
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| 14:03.34 | atom-z | debian been getting joinflooded or something? |
| 14:03.38 | greycat | !punish debhelper for sleeping at the wheel |
| 14:03.51 | greycat | atom-z: debhelper "forgot" to raise the +l |
| 14:03.53 | Eiscreme | cahoot: arecord seems to be installed on my system, I just wanted to start it, and no GUI opened ... is it shell based? |
| 14:03.58 | atom-z | greycat, heh i see |
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| 14:04.10 | cahoot | Eiscreme: plain command line app |
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| 14:04.21 | Eiscreme | cahoot: k I will read the man pagre |
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| 14:05.19 | Eiscreme | cahoot: is there a GUI one? |
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| 14:05.46 | sussudio | abrotman stats hoooo |
| 14:05.50 | streuner_ | dpkg, nospambots |
| 14:05.50 | dpkg | i heard nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds |
| 14:05.55 | abrotman | sussudio: ? |
| 14:06.01 | sussudio | abrotman: :-| |
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| 14:06.04 | abrotman | sussudio: what? |
| 14:06.22 | sussudio | abrotman: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/deb0508.html |
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| 14:06.32 | abrotman | sussudio: and? |
| 14:06.40 | sussudio | ! |
| 14:06.51 | abrotman | sussudio: i find the 0-5 stat more disturbing :) |
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| 14:06.58 | greycat | twice as many lines as greycat. you've got a problem. |
| 14:07.02 | sussudio | :-\ |
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| 14:07.09 | abrotman | greycat: no .. you do .. slacker! |
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| 14:07.39 | streuner_ | greycat: i wonder how he managed that, its pretty mysterious to me... |
| 14:07.43 | FromTO | this is somewhat a stupid question. how do I untar a file into a different directory . |
| 14:07.47 | abrotman | streuner: i'm good like that? |
| 14:07.59 | greycat | FromTO: cd /there; tar xvf $OLDPWD/the.file.tar |
| 14:08.17 | ricky_clarkson | I like my random quote on those stats. |
| 14:08.28 | ricky_clarkson | "It's difficult to compare memory and cycles" |
| 14:08.44 | greycat | cadu's is nice. |
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| 14:09.17 | jethro | !find alreadyloggedin |
| 14:09.28 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'alreadyloggedin' returned no results. |
| 14:09.35 | elmago_ | hi guys one question ist the license from transgaiming.net trustable? |
| 14:09.36 | jethro | :[ |
| 14:09.44 | abrotman | so .. are you guys saying i should take the month off? |
| 14:09.52 | abrotman | elmago_: the what? |
| 14:09.53 | jethro | abrotman: YES!! |
| 14:09.59 | streuner | hehe |
| 14:10.02 | abrotman | jethro: but i've already tainted this month |
| 14:10.03 | tralala | abrotman: do you mean an year?! |
| 14:10.16 | hikenboot | hello all if I am reinstalling and going to run vmware on a sempron 2200 with abit NF7 S2 G motherboard for stability should i run the 2.4 kernel instead of the 2.6? I need this to be rock solid but not sure i want to sacrifice performance |
| 14:10.17 | abrotman | tralala: but i've only been around about a year and a half |
| 14:10.23 | elmago_ | license you have to suscribe |
| 14:10.25 | greycat | use whichever works better |
| 14:10.32 | tralala | abrotman: :) |
| 14:10.35 | greycat | elmago_: it's not on topic here. |
| 14:10.40 | abrotman | i'm not sure how the license at transgaming is a debian issue |
| 14:10.42 | hikenboot | i will be running with 3 gig of ram |
| 14:10.46 | greycat | elmago_: try #cedega |
| 14:10.52 | elmago_ | ;) |
| 14:10.55 | abrotman | tralala: at least i don't have to see streuner go "You're almost there!!!" |
| 14:10.59 | abrotman | anymore .. that is |
| 14:11.00 | elmago_ | i know the answer there |
| 14:11.11 | ricky_clarkson | I've been here about 3 years now I think. |
| 14:11.20 | abrotman | hikenboot: #vmware |
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| 14:11.35 | abrotman | hikenboot: i have no idea how vmware performs on 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 14:11.39 | ricky_clarkson | 3 years 3 weeks. |
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| 14:11.41 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:12.03 | abrotman | sussudio: you have issues! |
| 14:12.04 | streuner | abrotman: asking should i stay or not force answers in such way you got it... |
| 14:12.07 | hikenboot | is 2.4 concidered more stable than 2.6? |
| 14:12.16 | abrotman | streuner: huh? |
| 14:12.22 | abrotman | hikenboot: for some people .. yes |
| 14:12.23 | resiak | !kernel of instability |
| 14:12.23 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
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| 14:12.27 | Randall64 | How do you tell gnome not to use windos keybindings? E.g. I'd rather alt-a than ctrl-a to select all. |
| 14:12.34 | streuner | abrotman: We aren't care about debstats ! :-) |
| 14:12.43 | abrotman | streuner: that's not what i was referring to |
| 14:12.54 | abrotman | streuner: seen abrotman ? |
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| 14:13.27 | abrotman | oh look .. more FF packages .. i wonder if these ones will work |
| 14:13.45 | abrotman | haha ... |
| 14:13.48 | abrotman | that's just freaking stupid |
| 14:13.53 | abrotman | this update is |
| 14:13.53 | abrotman | basically version 1.0.6 with the version number rolled back, and hence |
| 14:13.53 | abrotman | still named 1.0.4-*. |
| 14:14.01 | sgeigerbot | greycat: If you mistype your password a few times btmp will grow. Not all of my users use ssh keys. |
| 14:14.22 | greycat | sgeigerbot: without a man page I can't answer any questions about it |
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| 14:16.54 | hikenboot | thanks guys for your help |
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| 14:17.05 | hikenboot | i will run the 2.4 kernel |
| 14:17.24 | fireba11 | sgeigerbot: got a question about using sshkeys .. may i bug u with it ? *g* |
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| 14:17.35 | abrotman | !tell fireba11 about u |
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| 14:18.17 | fireba11 | abrotman: hum ? |
| 14:18.26 | abrotman | fireba11: u is not a word in english |
| 14:18.42 | fireba11 | sorry for being lazy ^^ |
| 14:18.54 | abrotman | that's an excuse? |
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| 14:19.45 | fireba11 | yup |
| 14:19.59 | greycat | "u", space before punctuation, *g* on the end. |
| 14:20.05 | greycat | damn.... |
| 14:20.09 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak I hate that |
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| 14:20.11 | dpkg | rofl I hate that jaja |
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| 14:20.23 | Nosf3ratu | Sorry, the SQL server is temporarily down. |
| 14:20.30 | resiak | ? |
| 14:20.33 | greycat | fix it. |
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| 14:20.56 | Nosf3ratu | stupid old script |
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| 14:21.17 | ricky_clarkson | The SQL server is down! OMG! |
| 14:21.50 | resiak | Hahah |
| 14:21.53 | fireba11 | hm .. depends on what SQL-server it is .. |
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| 14:22.10 | fireba11 | if its M$SQL i'll throw a party .. |
| 14:22.13 | greycat | very stupid, if it's reporting your errors to us instead of to you. |
| 14:22.35 | fireba11 | lol |
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| 14:23.01 | ma3x | after I load the driver for my modem, whats the device? |
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| 14:23.42 | dimir | ma3x: /dev/ttyS0? |
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| 14:23.50 | ricky_clarkson | Google is fun for MP3 searching. |
| 14:23.54 | samuel | anyone know of an e17 sid repository by any chance? |
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| 14:24.05 | fireba11 | richy_clarkson: why that ? |
| 14:24.14 | drac | ma3x: usb? serial? bluetooth? what? |
| 14:24.16 | ricky_clarkson | fireba11: Simpler to use than bittorrent, kazaa, etc. |
| 14:24.25 | sgeigerbot | ma3x: "lsof /dev/ttyS*" will list serial ports which are open. |
| 14:24.25 | ma3x | drac, internal |
| 14:24.26 | ricky_clarkson | fireba11: intitle:index.of mp3 <whatever> |
| 14:24.42 | ma3x | lsof /dev/ttyS* shows nothing |
| 14:24.44 | fireba11 | ricky_clarkson: tell me .. bittorrent issnt for searching anyway :-) |
| 14:24.56 | ricky_clarkson | fireba11: torrentspy.com is. |
| 14:25.02 | ma3x | linuxant installas the drivers, but its not free |
| 14:25.14 | resiak | sgeigerbot: yes, yes I do |
| 14:25.24 | fireba11 | ricky_clarkson: i know, been there, senn that, yessir *g* |
| 14:25.25 | ma3x | and if i load the drivers with ndiswrapper, it says driver present, but i dont see hardware present |
| 14:25.30 | sgeigerbot | resiak: what? |
| 14:25.33 | greycat | fireba11: or thepiratebay |
| 14:25.36 | resiak | sgeigerbot: Uhm, sorry. |
| 14:25.41 | resiak | samuel: yes, yes I do |
| 14:25.52 | sussudio | greycat: pisg interprets !commands as yelling. i emailed the author about it, he didn't feel like changing it. |
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| 14:25.55 | fireba11 | greycat: am wondering if you know a good torrent site that si new for me :-D |
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| 14:26.16 | ricky_clarkson | I've never used bittorrent. |
| 14:26.19 | greycat | sussudio: it also doesn't grok chanserv granting ops |
| 14:26.25 | samuel | resiak, could you tell me it please? the "soulmachine" and "elive" ones dont seem to work... |
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| 14:26.33 | samuel | only ones ive found so far |
| 14:26.33 | Eiscreme | greycat? |
| 14:26.40 | bujin | hello does anybody know a program to conect to a terminal server? |
| 14:26.42 | resiak | !tell samuel -about doesn't work |
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| 14:26.42 | Eiscreme | greycat: Do you know a GUI that can handle it? |
| 14:26.47 | greycat | !ask |
| 14:26.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:26.56 | greycat | SEE THAT PART about "... or pick one person to ask"? |
| 14:27.12 | ma3x | IF i download the drivers from linuxant and install it myself (without using their installation wizard), do you think they would limit the driver somehow? |
| 14:27.16 | greycat | I have *NO* clue what you are talking about, Eiscreme, and I don't feel like scrolling up or /lastlog'ing to finding out. |
| 14:27.24 | ma3x | is it possible to integrate that into the driver (limitations)? |
| 14:27.31 | Eiscreme | greycat: saving streams |
| 14:27.38 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 14:27.45 | resiak | samuel: "deb http://soulmachine.net/debian/ unstable/" wfm |
| 14:27.49 | greycat | Eiscreme: why the fuck would you need a GUI for that? |
| 14:27.50 | samuel | resiak, the elive repo is for etch and the soulmachine repo seems to be missing some files, most notably the e17 binary... do you know of a different one i may try please? |
| 14:27.54 | jethro | ~wtf wfm |
| 14:28.01 | Eiscreme | greycat: because I am too stupid to get it work |
| 14:28.09 | Eiscreme | also after reading the man pages |
| 14:28.19 | resiak | Eiscreme: apt-get install streamripper; man streamripper; it's really fucking easy. |
| 14:28.21 | skate | uh, can't you set xmms to write streams to a file right in the preferences? |
| 14:28.31 | samuel | resiak, thanks anyways... |
| 14:28.44 | jethro | samuel: the soulmachine repo is just fine. I use it without a problem |
| 14:28.54 | resiak | Eiscreme: SYNOPSIS: streamripper URL [options] . How is that hard? |
| 14:29.12 | Eiscreme | resiak: because I cannot find the option where to WRITE the stream! |
| 14:29.16 | samuel | jethro, resiak so where is the e17 binary? cant seem to find it... |
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| 14:29.21 | resiak | Eiscreme: -d dir The destination directory |
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| 14:29.25 | KursK | Eiscreme, maybe better use the xmms plugin then |
| 14:29.28 | jethro | samuel: it's called enlightenment, and you need pinning |
| 14:29.36 | ma3x | why I can't unpack .deb? I tried dpkg --unpack -R name.deb |
| 14:29.36 | ma3x | and it didn't unpack anything |
| 14:29.38 | greycat | jethro: or stabbing |
| 14:29.42 | jethro | samuel: http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ has all the info you need. just read |
| 14:29.49 | greycat | I don't think pins will cut it. |
| 14:29.54 | Eiscreme | KursK: xmms won't play the stream for any reason |
| 14:30.06 | Eiscreme | KursK: maybe *.m3u is a bad format for xmms? |
| 14:30.16 | fireba11 | wtf ? |
| 14:30.19 | Eiscreme | resiak: should I be able to hear the stream? |
| 14:30.23 | fireba11 | m3u is a playlist |
| 14:30.26 | ma3x | helloooooooooooo |
| 14:30.31 | ma3x | can you tell me how to unpack deb? |
| 14:30.32 | samuel | jethro, i did... thanks for the link, ill give it another try... |
| 14:30.33 | greycat | I usually cat the m3u file and then paste the contents of it (one line, typically) to xmms. |
| 14:30.34 | Eiscreme | but it works when I open it in kaffeine |
| 14:30.41 | Eiscreme | hum |
| 14:30.43 | greycat | ma3x: man dpkg |
| 14:30.44 | Eiscreme | lemme check that |
| 14:30.46 | jethro | samuel: are you looking for a binary named e17 ? |
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| 14:30.53 | ma3x | greycat, I tried it says dpkg --unpack |
| 14:30.58 | ma3x | but it unpacks only LICENSE |
| 14:30.58 | resiak | Eiscreme: Erm, no. You are ... RIPPING it. |
| 14:31.00 | greycat | ma3x: you're welcome. |
| 14:31.03 | jethro | samuel: if yes, there is no such binary for dr17. just enlightenment. |
| 14:31.03 | samuel | jethro, nope, i was looking for enligtenment... |
| 14:31.20 | samuel | thanks, im reading the guys blog now |
| 14:31.32 | jethro | samuel: good. happy reading |
| 14:31.35 | samuel | wiki that is |
| 14:31.36 | samuel | thanks |
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| 14:31.42 | greycat | ma3x: try extract instead of unpack |
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| 14:32.08 | fireba11 | hm |
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| 14:32.21 | Angel-SL | hey |
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| 14:32.26 | Angel-SL | !cron |
| 14:32.26 | dpkg | it has been said that cron is a program which allows for the management of regular background processing, or 'man 5 crontab' |
| 14:32.31 | KursK | Eiscreme, erm, what do you try to get? post the link |
| 14:32.32 | sgeigerbot | ircdevil: Are people actually doing that? |
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| 14:32.43 | Eiscreme | KursK: it worked! I cat'ed the m3u |
| 14:32.46 | Eiscreme | now xmms plays it |
| 14:32.47 | fireba11 | sgeigerbot: news said so |
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| 14:32.50 | Mardus | fireba11: A looter? |
| 14:32.51 | sgeigerbot | ircdevil: We don't need no gun control. We need bullet control. |
| 14:32.52 | Angel-SL | is 0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * /home/mydir/ircdchk >/dev/null 2>&1 a valid cron |
| 14:32.53 | Eiscreme | and now I need to find out how to save it |
| 14:33.04 | resiak | Angel-SL: man 5 crontab and find out! |
| 14:33.12 | sgeigerbot | ircdevil: Then there wouldn't be any more innocent bystanders. |
| 14:33.16 | Eiscreme | KursK: what "format" is a stream? When I use the DiskWriter Plugin from xmms, what suffix should I use? |
| 14:33.17 | Eiscreme | mp3? |
| 14:33.18 | Eiscreme | wav? |
| 14:33.23 | fireba11 | Angel-SL: looks good from here |
| 14:33.33 | sgeigerbot | ircdevil: ...if a bullet costs five thousand dollars. |
| 14:33.34 | resiak | Eiscreme: What format is that stream in? |
| 14:33.41 | greycat | sgeigerbot: I've heard that one. |
| 14:33.47 | resiak | Eiscreme: Whatever it is, that's the format of the stream, funnily enough. |
| 14:33.47 | sjeal | having problem with gaim. In setting up account, it asked for screenanme, server and password. I put in "a", "irc.debian.org" and blank for password. I have connection timeout. Help. |
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| 14:34.00 | resiak | sjeal: #gaim is that way ---> |
| 14:34.03 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Chris Rock. |
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| 14:34.30 | sjeal | resiak, don't get you. |
| 14:34.32 | skate | that gui has got to be ugly. |
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| 14:34.43 | greycat | most GUIs are. |
| 14:34.53 | TANATHOS | anyone alive |
| 14:34.57 | fireba11 | skate: i use mirandaIM to irc ^^ |
| 14:34.57 | TANATHOS | ? |
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| 14:35.00 | Ronin | TANATHOS: nope |
| 14:35.01 | greycat | my god! it's not root! |
| 14:35.01 | resiak | sjeal: This is not the Gaim channel. In any case, Gaim is one of the worst IRC clients in existence. |
| 14:35.07 | TANATHOS | thought so |
| 14:35.16 | TANATHOS | nobody seems to want to help |
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| 14:35.21 | TANATHOS | isn't there a help channel |
| 14:35.27 | greycat | !ask |
| 14:35.28 | skate | help with what? |
| 14:35.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:35.33 | skate | is your colostomy bag full? |
| 14:35.36 | ricky_clarkson | Yes. |
| 14:35.39 | ricky_clarkson | Oops. |
| 14:35.39 | resiak | TANATHOS: YOU HAVE NOT ASKED A QUESTION. OH, AND CAN YOU LOWERCASE YOUR NICK, PLEASE? |
| 14:35.41 | Ronin | TANATHOS: helps if you ask a question first |
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| 14:36.04 | TANATHOS | I have a problem with the nat server |
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| 14:36.20 | greycat | what's a "nat server"? |
| 14:36.22 | ricky_clarkson | TANATHOS: That's amazingly specific. |
| 14:36.29 | resiak | !vaguenessmite TANATHOS |
| 14:36.29 | greycat | is that like a firewall? |
| 14:36.39 | TANATHOS | greycat iptables |
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| 14:36.44 | Eiscreme | resiak: can I make xmms save MORE than only 32K ? |
| 14:36.45 | skate | greycat: no, a firewall is like, zone alarm |
| 14:36.46 | resiak | Oh wait, three ses. |
| 14:36.47 | greycat | resiak: three "s"s |
| 14:36.47 | skate | or something |
| 14:36.53 | fireba11 | greaycat: just thought the same thing :-) |
| 14:36.55 | vox | hi, i've just conf'd my new kernel(2.6.13), loaded the ide modules(via82cxxx), yet i cant enable dma. what could be causing the issue? |
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| 14:36.57 | resiak | Eiscreme: HTFSIK? |
| 14:37.04 | Eiscreme | resiak? |
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| 14:37.10 | resiak | ~wtf htfsik |
| 14:37.12 | ricky_clarkson | !pebbas |
| 14:37.13 | dpkg | Problem Exists Between Britain And Spain |
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| 14:37.14 | resiak | apt: You suck. |
| 14:37.16 | TANATHOS | greycat nat = Network adress translation |
| 14:37.31 | greycat | TANATHOS: I know that part. What's "server" got to do with it? |
| 14:37.32 | [bman] | yo, how can I setup a --bind in my fstab? |
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| 14:37.38 | resiak | Eiscreme: How the fuck should I know? Why are you asking me and not #xmms? Hell, I did not ever mention xmms. I told you to use streamripper. |
| 14:37.47 | greycat | NAT is built into a firewall that runs on a router. |
| 14:37.54 | sgeigerbot | fireba11: Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. (~ask-to-ask) |
| 14:37.55 | Eiscreme | resiak: ok sorry |
| 14:38.06 | bni | How can I make my Apache CustomLog readable by "others" so awstats can read it? |
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| 14:38.23 | vorsprung | bni, chmod |
| 14:38.29 | vorsprung | bni, see man chmod |
| 14:38.30 | [bman] | do I just add it to the options as --bind? |
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| 14:38.40 | TANATHOS | greycat it's a server with nat excuse my point of view |
| 14:38.48 | greycat | Eiscreme: I think you made a typo. You obviously meant to write, "Hm... it only saved 32k and then aborted with an error message saying ``___________''. I'll check the man page and /usr/share/doc/xmms/*." |
| 14:38.51 | fireba11 | sgeigerbot: sorry ... i want to SCP my backup to a second server .. tried to set up sshkeys and rssh for security but failed .. still asks for password |
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| 14:39.12 | bni | vorsprung: good idea :-) |
| 14:39.18 | greycat | TANATHOS: so just ASK the damned question. |
| 14:39.20 | Eiscreme | greycat: no I mean: "It saves a buffer of 32 KB, and begins to buffer from new, and so on, all the time |
| 14:39.21 | Eiscreme | no error |
| 14:39.35 | greycat | Eiscreme: is that what the man page says it's supposed to do? |
| 14:39.37 | TANATHOS | it just won't work and created already the rules |
| 14:39.46 | TANATHOS | so i need some assistance |
| 14:39.48 | vox | anyone? |
| 14:39.51 | Ronin | wont work doesnt help us much |
| 14:39.51 | greycat | TANATHOS: iptables, google.com |
| 14:39.53 | sgeigerbot | fireba11: http://www.ncee.net/shane/agssh |
| 14:40.00 | greycat | err... #iptables, google.com |
| 14:40.19 | TANATHOS | hmmmm thank you very nice |
| 14:40.34 | hippie | thank you, come again. |
| 14:40.40 | vox | </apu> |
| 14:40.44 | greycat | and he wonders why nobody wants to help him. |
| 14:40.52 | sgeigerbot | fireba11: The only problems you might have are that you are using more than one account locally to log into the same account remotely. |
| 14:41.08 | skate | what do you expect? |
| 14:41.08 | sgeigerbot | fireba11: that doesn't work so well, I've found. |
| 14:41.16 | vox | i've just conf'd my new kernel(2.6.13), loaded the ide modules(via82cxxx), yet i cant enable dma. what could be causing the issue? |
| 14:41.16 | skate | i auto-mentally ignore users with all caps in their nick anyway |
| 14:41.17 | TANATHOS | greycat you would be helpfull to join a private chat and listen to people |
| 14:41.23 | greycat | HELL NO! |
| 14:41.24 | fireba11 | sgeigerbot: no i would us e a special user on both sides .. only one .. will give it a try, thx |
| 14:41.29 | hippie | $4.99/min |
| 14:41.37 | sgeigerbot | fireba11: Btw, you should probably be using rsync instead of scp. |
| 14:41.42 | TANATHOS | hippie ok ... where should i pay |
| 14:41.48 | TANATHOS | ? |
| 14:42.09 | sgeigerbot | fireba11: "Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try." -- a little green guy I once knew |
| 14:42.16 | greycat | !try |
| 14:42.16 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
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| 14:42.23 | greycat | dpkg: you're green? |
| 14:42.37 | abrotman | dpkg: what color are you |
| 14:42.37 | dpkg | abrotman: what are you talking about? |
| 14:42.41 | fireba11 | sgeigerbot: i only want to move a finished bacup file ... so i think rsync would be a bit overkill |
| 14:42.41 | abrotman | dpkg: color |
| 14:42.41 | dpkg | methinks color is 5c9o3l11o6r |
| 14:42.42 | sgeigerbot | greycat: btw, the man page for btmp is lastb |
| 14:42.44 | abrotman | good |
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| 14:43.41 | TANATHOS | so grey kittie ..... i care for some help would you? |
| 14:43.42 | greycat | sgeigerbot: ok, then we know which package you should file the bug against, right? |
| 14:43.47 | greycat | TANATHOS: NO! |
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| 14:43.56 | greycat | 1) I do not use iptables. 2) I will not help you. |
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| 14:44.15 | TANATHOS | 1) What do you use? 2) why? |
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| 14:44.25 | Ronin | TANATHOS: did you ask in #iptables? |
| 14:44.27 | resiak | Because you're being a fucktard! |
| 14:44.35 | greycat | there's a whole channelf ull of people in #iptables. they use iptables. I doubt they'll help you, though, since you have no idea how to ASK a question. |
| 14:44.40 | skate | TANATHOS for presidente! |
| 14:44.50 | TANATHOS | resiak up yours |
| 14:44.59 | fireba11 | guess he didn't say the magic word :-) |
| 14:45.01 | cahoot | skate: didn't you ignore allcaps users? |
| 14:45.01 | jass | sorry for a dumb question, i'm a debian newbie, whats the command for restarting the apache service? |
| 14:45.12 | skate | uh, i said mentally ignore. |
| 14:45.12 | greycat | jass: /etc/init.d/foobar restart |
| 14:45.17 | resiak | *plonk!* |
| 14:45.22 | jass | greycat, thnks |
| 14:45.35 | [bman] | well I found the answer myself, So I guess I will share it with you all. to mount a directory somewhere else (--bind as mount would say) and keep it in your fstab put this in your fstab: /somedirectory /somewhereelse none bind |
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| 14:45.52 | fireba11 | there's no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid answers :-) |
| 14:46.03 | greycat | fireba11: wrong. both exist. |
| 14:46.04 | atom-z | bs |
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| 14:46.08 | resiak | [bman]: Well, yes, that's exactly what man fstab would tell anyone. |
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| 14:46.15 | Mardus | So, before Katrina hit, the new record gallon price (as of 22.08.) was U.S. $2.61, so U.S. $2.61 / 3.785 litres * 12.64530 EEK/$ = 8.71 EEK/litre. Wow, that's cheap. A 31.08. price hike in Estonia was to 13.85 EEK/litre. |
| 14:46.16 | greycat | TANATHOS has given us several lovely examples of the former. |
| 14:46.27 | hippie | fireba11: "When does the 10 o'clock news come on?" |
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| 14:46.39 | fireba11 | greycat: there bay be stupid questioners though |
| 14:46.40 | TANATHOS | greycat i came here to ask because i'm new .... and stupid ..... |
| 14:46.43 | fireba11 | bay=may |
| 14:46.54 | TANATHOS | do you undestand that not everybody is so wise |
| 14:47.04 | [bman] | resiak, oh.. oops I forgot to bow first... |
| 14:47.15 | resiak | [bman]: :) |
| 14:47.18 | greycat | TANATHOS: then you should read www.tldp.org and www.google.com and maybe even lartc.org (except you're not ready for that one yet) |
| 14:47.29 | atom-z | fireba11, if you want examples of stupid questions, you should read A-Level papers |
| 14:47.33 | [bman] | resiak, you go 'man fstab' and point out where it is said. |
| 14:47.39 | greycat | and the obligatory... |
| 14:47.41 | greycat | !smart questions |
| 14:47.41 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 14:47.49 | fireba11 | atom-z: waht are A-Level papers ? |
| 14:47.50 | TANATHOS | God was it so diffcult just to tell me first and then make a full of myself |
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| 14:47.53 | sobersabre | TANATHOS, i will be nice! |
| 14:47.58 | greycat | fireba11: some .uk school thing |
| 14:47.58 | ricky_clarkson | hippie: The 10 o'clock news comes on about 10:45 when there's a film on, iirc. |
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| 14:48.05 | atom-z | fireba11, gvmt set exams we have in this country |
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| 14:48.14 | fireba11 | ah |
| 14:48.16 | ricky_clarkson | A-Levels are for people aged 16-19. |
| 14:48.20 | ricky_clarkson | In general. |
| 14:48.21 | vekpos | is there a highway trip planner which includes maps for europe (exspecially germany) ? |
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| 14:48.27 | hippie | ricky_clarkson: Curses! My snide quip has been revealed to be as flawed as my personality! |
| 14:48.30 | ThreeDayMonk | I'm trying to fix some bugs in the locale tables. Where's the ultimate upstream source? |
| 14:48.32 | sobersabre | 1. Nobody is making a full of himself, or yourself. |
| 14:48.32 | fireba11 | vekos: yes :-) |
| 14:48.33 | ricky_clarkson | vekpos: maps.google.co.uk includes the UK. ;) |
| 14:48.34 | resiak | [bman]: Well, not directly, admittedly. But since mount foo bar -t quuz -o xyzzy translates to foo bar quuz xyzzy in fstab ... |
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| 14:48.45 | vekpos | nono, a offline one |
| 14:48.49 | sobersabre | 2. I haven't said I will chat with you. Have I ? |
| 14:48.54 | jass | and what text editors would you recommend besides vim, vim seems too hard for a beginner like me |
| 14:49.05 | ricky_clarkson | jass: vimtutor |
| 14:49.08 | resiak | jass: apt-cache search text editor |
| 14:49.20 | jass | thnks, guys |
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| 14:49.22 | Borgon | hello |
| 14:49.30 | Borgon | What part of package is termcap? |
| 14:49.31 | Borgon | configure: error: termcap support not found |
| 14:49.31 | Borgon | make: *** [editline/libedit.a] Error 1 |
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| 14:49.44 | greycat | you DO NOT want termcap. |
| 14:49.54 | ThreeDayMonk | jass: also, you can try cream for vim to behave more like a conventional non-modal editor. Try the default mode out, though - it may grow on you. |
| 14:49.57 | TANATHOS | Guys i apologyze, I read the wuestion thing. Sorry 2 u all! |
| 14:50.00 | greycat | find the option in your program to turn on support for a terminal API that's newer than 1975. |
| 14:50.00 | ralf | !kcompmgr |
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| 14:50.06 | [bman] | resiak, hmmm... quick to say 'I told you so' aren't you. I asked and no one piped up to answer (probably because your all so 733+), but when I feel like giving back, well. it's now in a log file somewhere of this conversation. |
| 14:50.11 | ralf | ~kcompmgr |
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| 14:50.13 | resiak | [bman]: Fair enough. |
| 14:50.19 | sobersabre | TANATHOS, ask the question already. |
| 14:50.23 | ralf | dpkg: --help |
| 14:50.23 | dpkg | Dpkg: Package Manager for Debian. Synopis: dpkg [options] action |
| 14:50.26 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak TANATHOS please get on with it |
| 14:50.27 | dpkg | lol TANATHOS please get on with it jaja!!!111!!!!111oneone |
| 14:50.28 | greycat | sobersabre: he's not capable of it, clearly. |
| 14:50.49 | TANATHOS | greycat is right i'd better study some more before |
| 14:50.53 | jass | ThreeDayMonk: thanks, I promise I will learn vim one day |
| 14:50.54 | Mardus | So, after Katrina hit, gallon price for oil was about U.S. $3.xx, so U.S. $3 / 3.785 litres * 12.64530 EEK/$ = 10.02 EEK/litre. That's cheap, too. You know, Katrina did some justice and hiked the Uessian oil prices more near to current European levels; thanks to price gouging even more. |
| 14:51.09 | VoX | does one have to load the generic ide module aswell as the chip-specific module to enable dma? |
| 14:51.14 | greycat | Mardus: and this is relevant to #debian ... how? |
| 14:51.28 | Kone | umm |
| 14:51.31 | hippie | Mardus: I once saw a bear eating ice cream. |
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| 14:51.37 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: ... tenuously? |
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| 14:51.53 | Elodia | hi all, i had a mistake somewhere in kernel configuration and now when i boot, monitor gives a message "Hz", which option can do that? i dont know how to search this kind of error |
| 14:51.54 | drac | VoX: Use 2.6 Debian Kernel Image, and see what it loads. |
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| 14:52.02 | Mardus | skate: Thanks, I'll give that to my mother for her car... |
| 14:52.14 | skate | wow, mom jokes |
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| 14:52.16 | skate | how novel. |
| 14:52.20 | Caelum | what was the command to list the mac address table? |
| 14:52.26 | greycat | arp -a |
| 14:52.28 | skate | what are you gonna do for an encore, say your dad can beat up my dad? |
| 14:52.31 | Caelum | thank you |
| 14:52.35 | bibe | Hi all. I recently filed a bug report for mozilla-firefox to the BTS. The latest security update (version 1.0.4-2sarge3) solves the bug, but this fact isn't mentioned in the Security Announcement. Should I "close" the bug in any way? |
| 14:52.38 | Mardus | skate: How old is yours? |
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| 14:52.46 | skate | Mardus: ignored. |
| 14:52.47 | mathieu1234 | hi i need to print greyscale using cups and i'm wondering if it's possible to set the printer to always print greyscale |
| 14:52.49 | Borgon | greycat: why dont i want termcap? |
| 14:52.53 | dockane | i would like to share an analog tv card over my lan (100 mbit). whats the best way to do that ? the machine wiht the tv card is a p3 800 with 512 mb ram. channel switching shoulb be included. |
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| 14:53.09 | fireba11 | bibe: don't think thats the right place to ask your question |
| 14:53.13 | sobersabre | oKtosiTe_work, good luck. |
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| 14:53.15 | greycat | Borgon: because it's *seriously* obsolete. we've been using terminfo and/or ncurses in debian for the last... uh, forever. ever since debian *started* AFAIK. |
| 14:53.28 | VoX | drac: mmuh. kinda the option i didnt really want to persue |
| 14:53.31 | sobersabre | hmm damn completion :) |
| 14:53.42 | Mardus | greycat: Someone told me here (yes, it was offtopic) that the price for oil in the U.S. was rising. I was incredulous at that, becaus U.S. oil prices are still way off cheaper than in the EU. |
| 14:53.48 | Borgon | greycat: hehe ok thanks |
| 14:53.54 | greycat | Mardus: they're still rising. |
| 14:53.58 | bibe | fireba11 : sorry. I'll try finding the right channel/forum |
| 14:54.20 | greycat | Mardus: just because we don't charge 150% tax to discourage private auto ownership doesn't mean that the prices are not moving upward. |
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| 14:55.00 | Kone` | . |
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| 14:55.30 | Mardus | greycat: I know that the prices are rising. Private auto ownership is not discouraged in the EU. There's the "rich tax" for luxury auto buyers, the rest goes to fixing/maintaining roads and environmental projects. |
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| 14:55.59 | greycat | well see, we don't have environmental projects ;-) |
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| 14:56.06 | greycat | we have Bush instead. |
| 14:56.11 | xrgtn | anyone knows whether Marvell device 4362 (rev 19) /*Gbit eth*/ is supported by recent Debian kernels or vanilla ones? |
| 14:56.16 | Lee__ | that's a funny thing to join on |
| 14:56.19 | Mardus | greycat: Mhm. |
| 14:56.21 | greycat | look out, caribou! drill's a-comin'! |
| 14:56.51 | Lee__ | the problem with wild life is there's too much of it! y'see, they hate our freedom. |
| 14:56.55 | greycat | so... how about that Debian! boy, that sure is a nice distro! |
| 14:56.58 | Borgon | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 14:57.09 | greycat | Borgon: find the first error. |
| 14:57.09 | hippie | Debian packages *every* *part* of the buffalo. |
| 14:57.18 | Borgon | it says ld cannot find -lssl ... I did apt-get install openssl and install both packages but still nothing |
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| 14:57.23 | greycat | Borgon: -dev |
| 14:57.24 | greycat | -dev |
| 14:57.25 | greycat | -dev |
| 14:57.28 | Borgon | k thanks |
| 14:57.29 | greycat | USE A -dev PACKAGE! |
| 14:57.50 | brainworm | Mardus: the usa has it's own oil fields, i don't think europe has any |
| 14:57.50 | Mardus | greycat: The "rich tax" is at the point of a car sale that only in some EU countries. The oil tax is mostly for the roads or just the state budget. Maybe some of that tax goes for environmental projects. West-EU oil prices are huge compared to Estonia, but prices are setting new records here as well. |
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| 14:58.00 | Borgon | greycat: is there a package search feature for apt-get? been a while since i used it |
| 14:58.03 | brainworm | the north sea |
| 14:58.10 | greycat | Borgon: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:58.28 | js_ | what's the proper way to add my own wm to the list within gdm/kdm? is there some kind of generic thing for that like the "menu" package for menus? |
| 14:58.40 | Mardus | brainworm: Europe does have some: In Lithuania, Norway, I think the UK and Denmark have some too. All of them are in the sea, AFAIK. |
| 14:58.42 | fireba11 | Borgon: apt-cache search package |
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| 14:59.56 | brainworm | Mardus: we have a lot of oil, it has kept prices lower here |
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| 15:01.15 | trasto | buenas tardes |
| 15:01.22 | ricky_clarkson | trasto: Good retards. |
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| 15:02.48 | Lee__ | what's the logic in backporting security updates, a la the recent firefox issue? |
| 15:02.51 | Mardus | brainworm: The U.S-drilled oil goes into strategic oil reserves, which are being opened up now. Some of these reserves are at places where Katrina hit. |
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| 15:03.42 | ricky_clarkson | In the UK a load of farmers blocked oil imports at protests of high fuel prices. |
| 15:03.44 | Mardus | brainword: So, AFAIK, most oil is imported. |
| 15:03.53 | Mardus | ricky_clarkson: LOL |
| 15:03.57 | asg | ricky_clarkson: the issue is probably a 'too' greedy regex. I'll look at it. |
| 15:03.58 | Lee__ | apt-cache search oil |
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| 15:04.58 | klaaner-libby | Hi :-) Where can I get the Debian Woody installer? I want to install debian on a computer that hasn't enough ram for the sarge installer |
| 15:05.12 | Mardus | ricky_clarkson: They should have blocked oil distribution or something. But because distribution is not that much in one place, blocking importing of oil is more convenient. |
| 15:05.14 | Gathond | Lee__: logic in backporting, as opposed to? not doing anything? just removing firefox? |
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| 15:05.38 | Mardus | klaaner-libby: I think some mirrors still host woody. |
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| 15:05.53 | klaaner-libby | Mardus: Do you know one? |
| 15:05.55 | ricky_clarkson | Mardus: They blocked ALL oil imports. |
| 15:05.55 | Lee__ | Gathond: no, doing what was done today. Packaging the upstream's new release. |
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| 15:06.24 | Mardus | klaaner-libby: I'm looking for an URL for you |
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| 15:06.43 | Gathond | Lee__: the logic there is: stable is stable (in the stable featureset/API set sence) so instead of grapping new versions with new features possibly new bugs the problem is solved instead |
| 15:06.45 | Chiletix | Hello, |
| 15:06.47 | ricky_clarkson | Mardus: Consider that the UK is one third the size of texas, with one fifth the population of the US. We don't have large oil reserves (per head of population). |
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| 15:06.49 | Lee__ | klaaner-libby: how much memory are we talking about? |
| 15:07.10 | klaaner-libby | Lee__: 8 MB :-) |
| 15:07.15 | fireba11 | ouch |
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| 15:07.19 | Chiletix | How can I find a word in many files and directories |
| 15:07.20 | klaaner-libby | Lee__: No! It has 16 MB |
| 15:07.21 | Chiletix | ?? |
| 15:07.22 | Mardus | ricky_clarkson: Mhmh. |
| 15:07.23 | xrgtn | OK, I have "0000:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.: Unknown device 4362 (rev 19)" device onboard (Gigabyte K8-NSXP-9) together with nVidia's gigabit ethernet. The latter works with forcedeth driver. Marvell isn't found by sk98lin (builtin statically) though. I've found that there are standalone drivers for this NIC for Linux, but want to know is/will this code be in mainline Linux? |
| 15:07.28 | TiTAN_pi8 | damn now I am getting the 'Illegal instruction' and 'Segmentation fault' messages again. anyone got some tips on what to do with them? |
| 15:07.32 | Lee__ | wow. can you get a system on a hard disk from another system and move it over? |
| 15:07.37 | dimir | Damn! Nicks they choose these days. |
| 15:07.47 | ricky_clarkson | Chiletix: man find; man grep; man xargs |
| 15:07.49 | klaaner-libby | Lee__: I could, but that sucks |
| 15:07.58 | Mardus | TiTAN_pi8: Maybe bad RAM, maybe bad HDD (bad sectors). |
| 15:08.01 | Lee__ | yeah but woody is all old n'shit. |
| 15:08.04 | Borgon | TiTAN_pi8: where do you see them at? |
| 15:08.07 | klaaner-libby | Lee__: What Version number had woody? |
| 15:08.17 | Gathond | klaaner-libby: 3.0 iirc |
| 15:08.19 | Chiletix | ricky_clarkson, I will try, thanks |
| 15:08.23 | Lee__ | you may need to make a custom distro. dare I suggest gentoo + uclibc. |
| 15:08.25 | Mardus | klaaner-libby: Debian 3.0; the latest release was 5 or 6. |
| 15:08.31 | TiTAN_pi8 | i get them when running cupsd or hpijs (i just cross compiled those) |
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| 15:09.19 | Lee__ | I think 16 megs qualifies as embedded these days. |
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| 15:09.27 | TiTAN_pi8 | Mardus, how can I check the ram? |
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| 15:09.39 | Lee__ | TiTAN_pi8: memtest86 |
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| 15:09.51 | klaaner-libby | Isn't there a way to install debian without that installer? like Gentoo? |
| 15:09.51 | Lee__ | that's on the sarge installer, right? |
| 15:10.02 | Lee__ | klaaner-libby: yes, debootstrap. |
| 15:10.03 | Mardus | TiTAN_pi8: Download and install memtest86 on diskette. It self-boots (if a diskette drive is specified) and will start checking richt away. |
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| 15:10.15 | Mardus | klaaner-libby: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html |
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| 15:10.30 | TiTAN_pi8 | Mardus, it doesn't have a diskette drive. We are talking about a router :) |
| 15:10.38 | Lee__ | klaaner-libby: but you still need to boot the system and get a network connection. |
| 15:10.47 | Mardus | TiTAN_pi8: Ouch. USB-flash drive or smth? |
| 15:10.57 | TiTAN_pi8 | USB-flash |
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| 15:11.13 | TiTAN_pi8 | [root@(none) /]# /bin/hpijs |
| 15:11.13 | TiTAN_pi8 | Illegal instruction |
| 15:11.13 | TiTAN_pi8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.17 | elirips | hello. does anyone know if there exist any graphical frontends for gpg, that integrate nicely into kde? |
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| 15:11.35 | Lee__ | elirips: yes, it's installed by default IIRC. |
| 15:11.53 | klaaner-libby | Lee__: I get a network connection. That works. But the sarge installer stops caused by a lack of memory |
| 15:11.54 | elirips | Lee__: thanks, i just found kgpg. |
| 15:12.00 | cplx | Hello.. I have a current debian installation.. It has quite a few problems.. I have data on that hdd that I want to keep.. if I put the boot cd and install debian again.. will it erase everything on the disk? |
| 15:12.09 | Lee__ | klaaner-libby: read about debootstrap. |
| 15:12.42 | Lee__ | maybe boot from a knoppix disk in text mode and use it to install sarge? |
| 15:12.45 | [Cadet] | cplx: Is that data on a different partition by any chance? |
| 15:12.57 | klaaner-libby | Lee__: Where? |
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| 15:13.08 | Lee__ | cplx: it will if you format the partition with your data. |
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| 15:13.15 | cplx | [Cadet].. its all on /dev/hda |
| 15:13.18 | Lee__ | klaaner-libby: do you have an existing Debian system running? |
| 15:13.18 | cplx | hda5* |
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| 15:13.26 | Mardus | klaaner-libby: A CD distro can be had from here: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable Choose a German place, look into directories with these keywords: 3.0r1 (or r2 bis r5) or woody. |
| 15:13.33 | cplx | Lee__: is there an option in the debian installation not to format? |
| 15:13.35 | cplx | etc |
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| 15:13.50 | [Cadet] | cplx: If you manually do the partitioning you can tell it to not format the partition. Please don't take it that I said it is perfectly safe |
| 15:13.54 | Lee__ | cplx: yes. |
| 15:14.03 | Lee__ | but you must back up what you don't want to lose. |
| 15:14.10 | skate | cplx: if you install debian on a different partition, then yes, you can choose to NOT use the partition that you have data on |
| 15:14.10 | cplx | How + Where? |
| 15:14.15 | tuomas_ | i'm searching for a way to reconfigure the mySQL server for apache2 in Debian Sarge |
| 15:14.23 | klaaner-libby | Lee__: No, I run Gentoo. But that's too hard for a Pentim 90 ;-) |
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| 15:14.37 | tuomas_ | it's essential for otherwise i'll reisntall the OS tonight |
| 15:14.37 | cplx | Lee__: backup ? where? |
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| 15:14.56 | Mardus | tuomas_: dpkg-reconfigure <write your MySQL package here> |
| 15:15.05 | tuomas_ | i did, doesn't work |
| 15:15.09 | tuomas_ | reisntalled, doesn't work |
| 15:15.12 | Mardus | tuomas_: That was just a guess. |
| 15:15.15 | cplx | Lee__: say I put the debian disk in.. boot off it.. go through the normal wizard.. and install the kernel again etc.. |
| 15:15.17 | Lee__ | klaaner-libby: well, I'd recommend finding a Debian livecd (I perfer Knoppix) and using debootstrap to install. Read the sarge installation guide. there's a chapter on this process. |
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| 15:15.32 | cplx | Lee__ will that erase everything? |
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| 15:15.38 | tuomas_ | i think it's the apache bindings i made in the initial configuration |
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| 15:15.42 | Lee__ | cplx: you forgot a step. 1) backup your important data! 2) blah, blah, blah. |
| 15:15.45 | klaaner-libby | Lee__: I can't boot from a CD on that system |
| 15:15.47 | pro | guys, anyone know how/where i can get a php with the ircg stuff in it? or if there is an easy way to take the package i got ( i have my own debian mirror at home) and rebuild php with the ircg stuff? |
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| 15:15.58 | tuomas_ | it was 5 am amd i was so sleppy i can't remember what i did |
| 15:16.09 | Lee__ | klaaner-libby: then you're probably stuck. godspeed! |
| 15:16.24 | cplx | Ok maybe I should state my problem.. everytime I try to run a binary etc.. like dig etc it gives me a libc error |
| 15:16.24 | Mardus | tuomas_: What made you be up so late/early? |
| 15:16.29 | cplx | saying I dont have permission etc |
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| 15:16.31 | klaaner-libby | Lee__: All I need is that Woody Installer ... it just need 8 MB RAM |
| 15:16.37 | Lee__ | cplx: how did you break your system? |
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| 15:16.54 | tuomas_ | Mardus, a homepage project i've been supposed to show off for the last 3 weeks after deadline |
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| 15:17.01 | cplx | Lee__ I dont know what I did.. just every binary I try to run or whatever.. it says 'libc.so etc does not have permission' |
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| 15:17.12 | Mardus | tuomas_: Ouch. |
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| 15:17.19 | Lee__ | if you don't know what you did it'll be pretty hard to help you. |
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| 15:17.31 | cplx | Lee__: I do nothing apart from apt-get update |
| 15:17.34 | cplx | every few days |
| 15:17.34 | Lee__ | back up your system and start over or give more details. |
| 15:17.34 | tuomas_ | they don't accept the page unless they can see it working, and i'd have to pay for hosting if i can't get it on my own compter |
| 15:17.42 | Lee__ | cplx: are you running sarge? |
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| 15:17.57 | cplx | Lee__: bf2.4 / Woody |
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| 15:18.04 | tuomas_ | and MySQL code doesn't run form a CDROM |
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| 15:18.21 | Lee__ | woah. what's your /etc/apt/sources.list say? just the first deb line. |
| 15:18.34 | cplx | running unstable |
| 15:19.03 | tuomas_ | anyway it's no hurry... it's just a small shop and they don't have anybody else... and they're taking it easy, bt i've decided to keep it up and running tomorrow |
| 15:19.14 | tuomas_ | i ahve all the files ready, i just need the server working |
| 15:19.15 | pro | i'll take that as a no.... |
| 15:19.20 | pro | thanks anyway ppl |
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| 15:19.23 | Guerin | cplx: woody ... unstable ... riiiight |
| 15:19.25 | Lee__ | okay. you don't know what you're talking about. Woody is the old stable version that sarge replaced. sid is unstable. if you are running unstable, you broke your system because you are running unstable withouth realizing the consequences. |
| 15:19.33 | Guerin | Lee__++ |
| 15:19.40 | cplx | yeah sarge obviously then.. |
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| 15:19.43 | Guerin | no |
| 15:19.46 | klaaner-libby | Lee__: What about that? http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/i386/ch-appendix.en.html |
| 15:19.47 | blastnost | is there a way of stopping runit from loading during boot, as my runit is preventing me from logging into sarge, causing my system to hang during boot? |
| 15:19.51 | Lee__ | so you're running woody sarge unstable? |
| 15:19.54 | Guerin | nothing is obvious when someone is as clueless as you |
| 15:20.00 | Mardus | tuomas_: One way would be installing it again, I guess. |
| 15:20.05 | Guerin | Lee__: i think he's running BadgerOS |
| 15:20.17 | tuomas_ | i know i'lldo it after having a snack |
| 15:20.21 | Lee__ | I think so too. I'm running Windows 95 XP2k |
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| 15:20.24 | cplx | Lee__: yeah.. |
| 15:20.24 | skate | does woody sarge unstable get security updates? |
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| 15:20.36 | Guerin | Lee__: I'm running MacOS9X |
| 15:20.37 | Guerin | ! |
| 15:20.40 | Mardus | LOL, Windows 95 SP2K. |
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| 15:20.44 | defcon8 | hi Guerin |
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| 15:20.45 | Guerin | it;s sweet too |
| 15:20.49 | Guerin | defcon8: sup dawg |
| 15:20.53 | defcon8 | can you got mac os9x? :| |
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| 15:20.57 | defcon8 | doesnt X start at 10? |
| 15:21.23 | tjkg | Anyone here know how to save alsa mixer settings so that they stick on reboot? I tried installing the alsa-utils package but doing so means i will have to remove udev. any idaes? |
| 15:21.25 | Guerin | defcon8: no |
| 15:21.34 | defcon8 | wtf | |
| 15:21.44 | Guerin | defcon8: there was macos95 and then 98, and now 9x |
| 15:21.49 | Guerin | it's really kool |
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| 15:22.03 | Mardus | defxon8: Someone said already that they were running Windows 95 SP2K. |
| 15:22.04 | Lee__ | cplx: you have to start over. go to www.debian.org and read the release notes for sarge, which is the current STABLE version. back up your old data and then install sarge. |
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| 15:22.41 | Lee__ | Win95 XP2K SP2003 64bit beta, that is. |
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| 15:22.51 | cplx | Lee__: ok thanks for your time. |
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| 15:23.12 | Lee__ | cplx: good luck! |
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| 15:23.43 | cplx | Lee__: Cheers.. thank's again. |
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| 15:25.55 | Mardus | cplx: It's also possible for you to do it that way: update woody to the latest r5 (which I think right now is the last woody release). Your debian's sources.list have to be changed from stable to woody for that update, do apt-get update, then upgrade all your packages with synaptic. Then change your sources to stable, do apt-get update or do an update in Synaptic and then update from there. I only updated some packages and got a woody/sarge hyb |
| 15:25.55 | Mardus | id. |
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| 15:26.36 | bujin | how can i connect to a windows terminal server with linux |
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| 15:27.36 | Mardus | bujin: That terminal server probably has to have some remote services enabled, maybe to support telnetting or something more secure. |
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| 15:27.52 | Elly | hey everyone |
| 15:27.52 | Mardus | So bye. |
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| 15:27.53 | jethro | samuel: did you manage to install and use dr17 ? |
| 15:28.05 | Elly | I'm sick of gentoo. Is debian better? |
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| 15:28.24 | samuel | jethro, yep, thanks.... im on it now... trying to figure it out |
| 15:28.31 | Guerin | Elly: yes |
| 15:28.32 | bibe | bujin : try rdesktop |
| 15:28.48 | Elly | how so? |
| 15:28.52 | skate | Elly: seeing as how debian takes a fraction of the time to install, find out for yourself |
| 15:28.59 | Elly | well, the thing is |
| 15:29.02 | jethro | Elly: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 15:29.02 | Elly | I have an existing install |
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| 15:29.22 | bujin | bibe, y alguna gui para rdesktop? |
| 15:29.27 | Guerin | Elly: it takes less than 6 hours to update all packages |
| 15:29.29 | Elly | so if I do in fact decide to use debian I need to back up several gigs of files |
| 15:29.37 | samuel | jethro, do you use dr17? how do you like it? |
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| 15:30.03 | jethro | samuel: yes I do. I like it a lot even though it's still beta :) |
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| 15:31.04 | samuel | jethro, can i ask what you use to view files and the like? |
| 15:31.06 | tezra | anyone can tell me briefly how the Packages.gz and Packages files which are located in the debian/dists... etc.. are generated? |
| 15:31.25 | nelf | Hi, I'm compiling a kernel (2.4.27-2) on the current testing distribution - it's exactly the same as the (rather nice) stock kernel, but with low latency and preemptive scheduling. |
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| 15:31.29 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Are you saying there should be a bug report filed for every file that doesn't have a man page? |
| 15:31.35 | jethro | samuel: a shell |
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| 15:31.36 | samuel | jethro, nautilus --nodesktop ? |
| 15:31.41 | samuel | oh |
| 15:31.41 | nelf | My question is what do I do with /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686 directory |
| 15:31.41 | jethro | samuel: hell no |
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| 15:31.56 | nelf | Do I remove it and then reinstall alsa-modules package, or leave it as it is? |
| 15:32.11 | nelf | Or is there a better chatroom to ask such debian kernel questions |
| 15:32.17 | tuv | how do i open a 3gp image file? |
| 15:32.20 | jethro | !debian kernel image |
| 15:32.21 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 15:32.35 | Guerin | !htfswk tuv |
| 15:32.35 | dpkg | tuv: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 15:32.42 | nelf | jethro: not quite with you |
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| 15:33.27 | samuel | jethro, i quite like nautilus :) |
| 15:33.29 | tuv | Guerin, thanks, but if you don't know you don't need to say a damn thing, do you? |
| 15:33.50 | klaaner-libby | When I use the sarge installer, can I mount a swap partition? I haven't enought memory to run the installer. It's a quite old computer ;-) |
| 15:34.06 | skate | tuv: everyone in here was thinking it, Guerin said it. |
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| 15:34.17 | tezra | anyone can tell me briefly how the Packages.gz and Packages files which are located in the debian/dists... etc.. are generated? |
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| 15:34.39 | tuv | skate: hmm, why would everyone think so? |
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| 15:34.51 | jethro | samuel: I'm satisfied with a shell, that's why I don't use a file manager |
| 15:35.01 | tuv | skate, isn't this the place for asking questions? |
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| 15:35.28 | nelf | I'm basically concerned about whether I can still use the nice packaged alsa-modules package (2.4 series kernel) when I make-kpg --added_patches low_latency, preemtible, or do I have to do an additional make-kpkg modules_image using the alsa-moduels source package |
| 15:35.59 | nelf | Because I like using deb packages, especially for things like kernels |
| 15:36.09 | jethro | nelf: if you build a new kernel, you'll need to build your own alsa-modules off alsa-sources |
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| 15:36.30 | nelf | jethro: Thats fine, thanks, I'll do that. |
| 15:36.42 | jethro | nelf: you're welcome |
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| 15:36.49 | Guerin | tuv: tell us what program makes this kind of file and we might be able to help. I can create an image file and call it a .3gp, and then open it with anything ... extensions are not file formats. |
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| 15:37.10 | jethro | tuv: use hexedit! |
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| 15:38.07 | tuv | Guerin, I received it from a friend by email. It is short of third generation partnership. i'm not sure what program creates it but i think may be it is created by a camera cell phone |
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| 15:38.26 | wishie | http://channels.debian.net/paste/619 |
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| 15:38.34 | wishie | i need some help with this problem please. |
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| 15:38.40 | cahoot | tuv: run 'file' on it |
| 15:38.51 | sheep | yeah!!! no overflow now |
| 15:39.03 | sheep | hello guys |
| 15:39.08 | nelf | tuv: 3gp is a mobile phone movie file format - you probably want to convert it to an avi |
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| 15:39.42 | nelf | tuv: Or it's a virus, disguising itself as a file you are likely to open. I'd bin it if I were you |
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| 15:40.14 | sheep | nelf :what virus? |
| 15:40.23 | tuv | file output: ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, 3GPP (H.263/AMR) |
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| 15:40.54 | frozsyn | hi |
| 15:40.57 | wishie | can someone please help me with the following error (pasted on the website) http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 15:41.19 | valdyn | wishie: log out and back in, try again |
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| 15:41.38 | nelf | sheep: The pansy virus that could be hidden inside the .XXX file people receive |
| 15:42.06 | sheep | nelf on linux? |
| 15:42.06 | nelf | I've been bombarded with them for years, despite having had regular shots |
| 15:42.18 | frozsyn | i tried to install debian but partman didn't detect partition of my hd, someone can help me ? |
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| 15:42.22 | sgeigerbot | Is nobody using cdrecord on 2.6? I'm getting this message (and cdrecord isn't burning my cds): cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. Rebooting to 2.4 just to burn a CD is a real drag. I can't believe it is so hard to find a CD burning program on Linux that isn't based on (now apparently broken) cdrecord. (If you know of one, I'm all ears.) |
| 15:42.23 | nelf | sheep: A virus is still a virus, whether or not it can infect your computer |
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| 15:42.30 | tuv | mplayer played it! |
| 15:42.31 | sheep | nelf ,on cell phone? |
| 15:42.41 | nelf | sheep: Baa |
| 15:42.52 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: why do you think cdrecord doesnt work? it works, ignore that warning. |
| 15:42.55 | sheep | nelf , ? |
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| 15:43.07 | tuv | i thought it is an image, it was a movie and mplayer played it |
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| 15:43.18 | jwl | I thought after 2.6.13 cdrecording was working again. |
| 15:43.19 | nelf | tuv: Hooray |
| 15:43.21 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: secondly, run 'lsmod | grep scsi' |
| 15:43.22 | cahoot | sgeigerbot: sorry but I find cdrecord working as expected ( i e well) on 2.6 |
| 15:43.24 | sgeigerbot | wishie: You didn't paste the error at that URL. |
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| 15:43.36 | jwl | OR was it 2.6.8? |
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| 15:43.44 | zuralin | Anyone know why my ctrl+alt+F[1,7] key's don't work while I am logged into gnome, but work if I am at GDM? |
| 15:43.48 | Ronin | sgeigerbot: i get that error also but x burning apps like k3b are fine |
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| 15:44.05 | valdyn | jwl: though there was some problems, burning worked even with 2.6.8 |
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| 15:44.16 | sgeigerbot | Ronin: k3b is based on cdrecord. |
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| 15:44.24 | jwl | I didn't get it to work at that level. |
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| 15:44.43 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: so what is 'lsmod | grep scsi' telling? |
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| 15:45.00 | sgeigerbot | valdyn: cdrecord starts to burn but then hangs after printing these messages: Starting new track at sector: 0 Track 01: 0 MB written. |
| 15:45.13 | sgeigerbot | valdyn: ide_scsi 16004 0 scsi_mod 86468 5 usb_storage,sd_mod,sr_mod,sg,ide_scsi |
| 15:45.23 | sheep | sgeigerbot: hehe |
| 15:45.23 | cahoot | why ide_scsi? |
| 15:45.35 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: right ,do not use ide-scsi, that is what is broken, just use ide-cd |
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| 15:45.46 | sheep | sgeigerbot: mine is fine on 2.6.x |
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| 15:46.02 | jwl | Don't need ide_scsi on 2.6.x. |
| 15:46.02 | wishie | My error is here, sorry.. http://channels.debian.net/paste/621 |
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| 15:46.42 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: you can use 'cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc' ( for example ), though ide-scsi is broken. |
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| 15:47.30 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: ide-scsi is likely in /etc/modules anyway, since it was needed for 2.4 |
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| 15:48.20 | streuner | wishie: apt-get install localeconf |
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| 15:48.53 | sgeigerbot | valdyn: When I used --dev=/dev/hdc: scsidev: '/dev/hdc'devname: '/dev/hdc'scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.cdrecord: Invalid argument. Cannot set SG_SET_TIMEOUT. |
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| 15:49.18 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: did you remove ide-scsi already and insert ide-cd? |
| 15:49.22 | streuner | dpkg, nospambots |
| 15:49.22 | dpkg | [nospambot] http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds |
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| 15:50.01 | wishie | streuner: ok, how can i test that it worked ? heh |
| 15:50.23 | wishie | streuner: hmm, nope, still got the errors |
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| 15:51.38 | streuner | dpkg, nospambots =~ s/timeout/$timeout/ |
| 15:51.38 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'timeout', streuner |
| 15:52.02 | streuner | wishie: show us your sources.list in paster |
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| 15:52.51 | wishie | i use a local mirror here, but its a mirror of http.us.debian.org |
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| 15:54.17 | greycat | sgeigerbot: yes, every standard file on the system should have a man page, even if it's just a symlink to the application's man page. |
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| 15:55.39 | wishie | argh! this locale error is very annoying.. ive also seen it on a mates system running debian sid |
| 15:55.42 | wishie | there is no fix for it ? |
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| 15:56.21 | streuner | wishie: dpkg-reconfigure locales ;-) |
| 15:56.21 | wishie | The paste of the error is at http://channels.debian.net/paste/621 |
| 15:56.38 | wishie | what should i set ? |
| 15:57.03 | streuner | the right values? |
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| 15:57.39 | wishie | well, im aussie, so en_AU i take it |
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| 15:57.50 | streuner | good guess |
| 15:57.57 | wishie | but it still spits errors :) |
| 15:58.05 | ricky_clarkson | Geez mite, I think he's got it. |
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| 15:59.08 | jethro | @aussiesmite wishie |
| 15:59.09 | ravenbird | wishie: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 15:59.21 | ricky_clarkson | Take a bog? |
| 15:59.25 | streuner | wishie: what does 'cat /etc/environment' say? |
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| 15:59.50 | inhuman | I'm having a problem with sound. alsaconf can't find my soundcard. I'm on a laptop |
| 16:00.16 | streuner | inhuman: what model do you have? |
| 16:00.22 | inhuman | ibm thinkpad |
| 16:00.26 | wishie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:01.09 | frozsyn | i'm trying to install debian but partman didn't detect partition of my hd, someone can help me ? |
| 16:01.51 | sobersabre | do you have partition ? |
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| 16:02.19 | frozsyn | 1 extended partition, with 5 logical partitions inside |
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| 16:02.27 | sobersabre | and no primary ? |
| 16:02.30 | frozsyn | no |
| 16:02.38 | inhuman | that could be a problem |
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| 16:02.49 | frozsyn | :S really !! y ? |
| 16:02.53 | inhuman | yes |
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| 16:03.22 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Why doesn't Debian use a find command and/or a simple script or look at the contents of each package to find files that don't have man pages? |
| 16:03.23 | streuner | damn, temp. for CPU was to hot... |
| 16:03.41 | inhuman | streuner: do you think you could help me? |
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| 16:04.06 | greycat | !find log/btmp sarge |
| 16:04.14 | streuner | inhuman: what was the question again? |
| 16:04.25 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'log/btmp' returned no results. |
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| 16:04.28 | inhuman | my souldcard isn't detected by alsaconf |
| 16:04.34 | sgeigerbot | valdyn: Thanks for helping. Sorry I was away so long. "sudo lsmod | grep ide" gives me: ide_cd 38596 0 cdrom 36128 2 ide_cd,sr_modide_scsi 16004 0 scsi_mod 86468 5 usb_storage,sd_mod,sr_mod,sg,ide_scsi |
| 16:04.37 | inhuman | streuner: my soundcard isn't detected by alsaconf |
| 16:04.39 | streuner | hm, one sec. |
| 16:04.42 | ricky_clarkson | inhuman: PCI? |
| 16:04.48 | inhuman | no, laptop onboard |
| 16:04.50 | wishie | streuner: http://channels.debian.net/paste/622 |
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| 16:05.07 | ricky_clarkson | if (pci) help; else panic; |
| 16:05.10 | ricky_clarkson | inhuman: panic |
| 16:05.24 | inhuman | what? |
| 16:05.29 | ricky_clarkson | inhuman: Nevermind. |
| 16:05.38 | inhuman | *phew* |
| 16:05.43 | frozsyn | inhuman, sobersabre: but the probleme is that i can't change my partition table, because i have data on all partitions, but one partition to install debian |
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| 16:06.08 | inhuman | reformat your harddisk then |
| 16:06.17 | inhuman | in order to reinstall] |
| 16:06.25 | wishie | i have a gigantic command line i run (well, set to an icon) to load irc.. heh |
| 16:06.30 | wishie | oops, wrong channel |
| 16:06.32 | frozsyn | i can't, i have data and no way to save them |
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| 16:06.41 | inhuman | ummmm |
| 16:06.53 | inhuman | frosyn: panic |
| 16:07.04 | frozsyn | inhuman: lol |
| 16:07.33 | inhuman | can you'r computer recongnize a floppy or a usb pendrive? |
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| 16:07.53 | frozsyn | floppy yep |
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| 16:08.06 | inhuman | backup data on a floppy |
| 16:08.09 | frozsyn | lol |
| 16:08.11 | inhuman | then reinstall |
| 16:08.14 | wishie | fscking locales. why are they broken |
| 16:08.14 | frozsyn | 40 Gb |
| 16:08.17 | abrotman | !moo |
| 16:08.17 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
| 16:08.21 | inhuman | OH! |
| 16:08.23 | inhuman | 40 gb |
| 16:08.27 | inhuman | nvm then |
| 16:08.27 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 16:08.27 | dpkg | qotd5 is, like, <antgel__>wols_: that was my question. i have established that the best method could be to open the disc and use a small magnet to get all the 1s and 0s in the right places |
| 16:08.43 | inhuman | get one of them 200gb usb thingys |
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| 16:09.12 | frozsyn | inhuman: but how the fact the i have no primary partition can be a problem ? |
| 16:09.13 | streuner__ | inhuman: what kind of laptop do you have? |
| 16:09.20 | inhuman | IBM thinkpad |
| 16:09.36 | sgeigerbot | valdyn: I wonder: I have a USB drive plugged into my laptop. It uses ide_scsi. You are suggesting that I rmmod ide_scsi and things will work? I'll try that a little later, after I'm done with the usb drive. |
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| 16:09.48 | streuner__ | inhuman: what model? |
| 16:10.02 | ricky_clarkson | inhuman: http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?one-banana+problem |
| 16:10.17 | inhuman | just a sec |
| 16:10.27 | sheep | hehe IBM |
| 16:10.31 | wishie | streuner__: did you see my previous message ? re: cat /etc/environment ? |
| 16:10.38 | streuner__ | no |
| 16:10.43 | sheep | good job |
| 16:10.55 | inhuman | streuner: 9549-5au |
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| 16:11.04 | wishie | streuner__: http://channels.debian.net/paste/622 |
| 16:11.30 | FallOnMe | hi, does anyone know of a Java plugin compiled with gcc-4.0 (new c++ ABI)? |
| 16:11.44 | streuner__ | inhuman: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i audio' say? |
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| 16:11.54 | Lee__ | FallOnMe: have you asked Sun or Blackdown? |
| 16:11.59 | FallOnMe | Sun's JRE segfaults my new unstable Firefox |
| 16:12.19 | ricky_clarkson | FallOnMe: Segfaults are often because you didn't set the links up correctly. |
| 16:12.19 | FallOnMe | Lee__: They have none available publicly, AFAICT |
| 16:12.31 | inhuman | streuner: no output at all |
| 16:12.42 | Lee__ | FallOnMe: you'll probably have to wait. Why are you running unstable? |
| 16:12.45 | FallOnMe | ricky_clarkson: then how come they worked before gcc-4.0? |
| 16:13.13 | ricky_clarkson | FallOnMe: I only said often. ;) |
| 16:13.19 | FallOnMe | Lee__: force of habit. I know what unstable is. |
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| 16:13.40 | sebyte | ,marilat |
| 16:13.42 | stew | inhuman: just run lspci and look for something that looks like a sound card. maybe a "multimedia" chipset or something |
| 16:13.49 | inhuman | ok |
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| 16:14.13 | Lee__ | FallOnMe: you'll probably have to wait for the closed source JRE's to compile against gcc4 |
| 16:14.21 | klaaner-libby | Can I mount a swap partition when I use the Sarge installer? |
| 16:14.27 | sebyte | 'marillat |
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| 16:14.33 | Lee__ | or try some of the GNU stuff. I hear that doesn't work too well. |
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| 16:14.43 | inhuman | stew: 0000:00:05.0 Multimedia controller: IBM 3780IDSP [MWave] |
| 16:14.50 | stew | inhuman: no thats a modem |
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| 16:14.53 | FallOnMe | Lee__: I think I heard about gij based java-plugin, I hoped someone knew more |
| 16:14.57 | sebyte | Can anyone remind me of the command to query the fsbot? |
| 16:15.00 | inhuman | ok then nothing |
| 16:15.07 | stew | inhuman: what model thinkpad? like 770x or something? |
| 16:15.20 | inhuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.23 | stew | inhuman: no |
| 16:15.27 | inhuman | ummm |
| 16:15.28 | Lee__ | FallOnMe: there's classpath and gcj. never used them myself. |
| 16:15.30 | inhuman | where to find? |
| 16:15.50 | stew | on the lower part of the monitor usually. something like t42 or x30 or 600x |
| 16:15.56 | Lee__ | tried Kaffe once. totally sucked for desktop stuff. |
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| 16:15.59 | inhuman | 770ed |
| 16:16.04 | ricky_clarkson | FallOnMe: What Java version are you using? |
| 16:16.11 | stew | inhuman: iirc those use cs4232 |
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| 16:16.24 | stew | inhuman: do you see something in lspci about Crystal something or other? |
| 16:16.35 | inhuman | no |
| 16:16.41 | klaaner-libby | Lee__: Is there a chace to be able to use an already partitionned hd when using the sarge installer? So, I could mount a swap partition to compensate the lacking memory |
| 16:16.56 | stew | inhuman: paste lspci output into #flood |
| 16:17.00 | inhuman | ok |
| 16:17.16 | inhuman | #flood 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (AGP disabled) (rev 02) |
| 16:17.16 | inhuman | 0000:00:02.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1250 (rev 02) |
| 16:17.16 | inhuman | 0000:00:02.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1250 (rev 02) |
| 16:17.16 | inhuman | 0000:00:03.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems Cyber 9397 (rev f3)0000:00:05.0 Multimedia controller: IBM 3780IDSP [MWave] |
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| 16:17.20 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: your usb drive cannot and does not use ide-scsi |
| 16:17.20 | dimir | lol |
| 16:17.26 | wishie | im getting a locale problem, as shown at http://channels.debian.net/paste/619 . i have installed localeconf, and dpkg-reconfigure locales , and all other junk, but i still get the error. can anybody help please. also, my /etc/environment contents can be seen at http://channels.debian.net/paste/622 |
| 16:17.44 | Lee__ | yes you could. check the boot options. there may be one for adding swap. |
| 16:17.48 | FallOnMe | ricky_clarkson: Blackdown's 1.4.2-something |
| 16:17.52 | ricky_clarkson | FallOnMe: Less vague, more specific, less ambiguous, more precise. Please. |
| 16:17.53 | Lee__ | klaaner-libby: ^^^ |
| 16:17.56 | lawnchair | is there a good performance monitor w/ graphs and shit that is web based? |
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| 16:18.05 | lawnchair | thatll brea kdown teh system by hours every day etc |
| 16:18.07 | stew | inhuman: in #flood, not here |
| 16:18.07 | inhuman | #flood |
| 16:18.09 | miz | Which package is 'top' contained in? |
| 16:18.12 | stew | inhuman: /join #flood |
| 16:18.16 | inhuman | ooh ok |
| 16:18.17 | streuner__ | inhuman: http://mathphys.fsk.uni-heidelberg.de/~mfluch/tp770.html#sound |
| 16:18.19 | ricky_clarkson | FallOnMe: Sun's 1.4.1_03 has a fix for it, I think. |
| 16:18.24 | ricky_clarkson | FallOnMe: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4694590 |
| 16:18.27 | Lee__ | lawnchair: graphs n'shit. oh yeah. performance! gkrellm? |
| 16:18.38 | lawnchair | Lee__, sometihng that is web based though |
| 16:18.40 | ricky_clarkson | Or that might have been the 2.95->3.0 fix. |
| 16:18.43 | streuner__ | inhuman: that's exactly what 'stew' told you before |
| 16:18.53 | klaaner-libby | Lee__: I already checked them, but I didn't find anything ... and there's nothing under /dev/ide |
| 16:19.09 | nelf | miq: dpkg -S `which top` gives procps |
| 16:19.15 | Lee__ | lawnchair: naigos! MRTG! RRDtool! take your pick. have you actually searched for any before you asked? |
| 16:19.52 | lawnchair | yeah i have |
| 16:19.58 | lawnchair | i was under the impression mrtg did only network shit |
| 16:20.01 | Lee__ | klaaner-libby: that sucks. you might check the #debian-boot channel. |
| 16:20.03 | lawnchair | i need more performance load avg etc |
| 16:20.09 | lawnchair | Lee__, your attitude turns me on |
| 16:20.15 | Lee__ | lawnchair: there are tons. you should try on that came up on your search. |
| 16:20.16 | klaaner-libby | Lee__: thx |
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| 16:20.23 | Lee__ | s/on/one/ |
| 16:20.26 | FallOnMe | ricky_clarkson: hurmm. It's not Blackdown. sun-j2re1.4 1.4.2+08, java -v says 1.4.2_08-b03 |
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| 16:21.12 | FallOnMe | ricky_clarkson: umm... the new libstdc++ is .so.6, not .so.4 |
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| 16:21.30 | Matej | hi, i'd like to know if there's any way of creating files in a specific directory in 664 mode when umask is set by default for the user to 022. thanks! |
| 16:21.58 | Gathond | Matej: change the UMASK |
| 16:22.06 | greycat | Matej: umask is not directory-specific. it is process-specific. |
| 16:22.22 | ricky_clarkson | FallOnMe: Nevermind, I misread the bug report. |
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| 16:22.40 | ricky_clarkson | FallOnMe: Why not use a supported browser? |
| 16:23.04 | wishie | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory <-- how can i fix that error.. ? |
| 16:23.32 | streuner__ | miz: procps, /msg dpkg search |
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| 16:24.21 | streuner__ | wishie: with dpkg-reconfigure locales you have the possibility to choose that... |
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| 16:24.42 | Matej | well, i have set sgid bit to the directory where i'm creating the files, i'm sharing the files with another user in group, but by default the files are in 644 and for the rest of the home directory i don't want to change it |
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| 16:24.57 | Matej | so i'm not sure if i can change the umask |
| 16:24.59 | wishie | streuner__: i have chosen en_AU and en_US, and saved it |
| 16:25.02 | wishie | but i still get errors. |
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| 16:26.07 | antgel | setting up shorewall for first time. customer is very paranoid. note what debian readme says about blacklisting bogons may deny valid traffic. i should be okay if i run update-bogons, right? |
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| 16:26.26 | Matej | isn't there a way to force the permissions, like it works for the groups with sgid? |
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| 16:27.55 | greycat | 12:22 greycat> Matej: umask is not directory-specific. it is process-specific. |
| 16:28.04 | greycat | each process has its own umask. |
| 16:28.11 | greycat | directories do not have umasks. |
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| 16:29.57 | FallOnMe | ricky_clarkson: I'll go back to sarge's 1.0.4 firefox package, I don't enough to backport 1.0.6. |
| 16:30.13 | FallOnMe | s/enough/care enough/ |
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| 16:30.33 | antgel | FallOnMe: have you been reading debian-security-announce? |
| 16:30.49 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: ff 1.0.4 BAD? |
| 16:31.05 | wishie | ok, now im pissed off. i even purged locales and localeconf, and i STILL get the same errors |
| 16:31.13 | antgel | FallOnMe: 1.0.6 is now in sarge disguised as 1.0.4. they upgraded the package. common sense prevailed but a taboo is broken. |
| 16:31.20 | wishie | i also reinstalled both those packages, and configured them, and STILL got the errors too. |
| 16:31.26 | wishie | this is so fscking frustrating. |
| 16:31.27 | sgeigerbot | valdyn: Well, actually, the USB drive in question is a USB enclosure that has a 300GB IDE drive inside it. I think it does use ide_scsi. |
| 16:31.33 | stew | antgel: what package is 1.0.6 dsiguised as 1.0.4? |
| 16:31.39 | antgel | stew: firefox |
| 16:31.41 | greycat | I assume they mean firefox |
| 16:32.03 | greycat | this reminds me of that time when bind got upgraded (was that potato or woody?) |
| 16:32.10 | stew | antgel: 1.0.4-2sarge3 ? |
| 16:32.13 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: I'm guessing FallOnMe is a sidabuser. |
| 16:32.16 | FallOnMe | antgel: YAY! I only read DSA-s and that only once-a-day, don't follow the d-s-a list. ;-) |
| 16:32.27 | Matej | greycat: i understand this, i've heard that umask does this kind of work, but apparently i'm searching for something directory specific, if that exists:-| |
| 16:32.29 | antgel | stew: that's the one. |
| 16:32.36 | antgel | greycat: perhaps alter /topic? |
| 16:32.36 | greycat | Matej: it does not. |
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| 16:32.45 | greycat | !sarge firefox |
| 16:32.46 | dpkg | Yes, mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge2 (in sarge's security) is broken. Downgrade it: apt-get install mozilla-firefox=1.0.4-2 (and then ask me about <hold> if you want to keep it that way for a while). |
| 16:32.47 | sgeigerbot | valdyn: maybe not.. Definitely it uses usb-storage. Perhaps also sg. |
| 16:32.51 | greycat | no, just alter the factoid |
| 16:32.53 | Matej | greycat: so that concludes my search:) |
| 16:32.59 | Matej | thx:) |
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| 16:33.10 | FallOnMe | ricky_clarkson: Probably, but I do report bugs when I stumble upon fresh ones. |
| 16:33.23 | wishie | is no-one else having these locale problems that i seem to having ? |
| 16:35.15 | FallOnMe | greycat: it seems 2sarge3 exists, maybe that factoid should be updated. |
| 16:35.20 | greycat | yes, no-one else is having them. |
| 16:35.25 | greycat | FallOnMe: go ahead. |
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| 16:35.58 | greycat | p.d.o still points to sarge2 |
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| 16:36.17 | Xteven | hi, where can I find some people involved with openSSI ? #openssi, #ssi, #cluster: all empty |
| 16:36.26 | antgel | !sarge firefox |
| 16:36.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge firefox is issues with a security update that failed regression testing. after it was released. however, this has been rectified with another update. 1.0.4-2sarge3 is really 1.06 in disguise. just update and upgrade. |
| 16:36.32 | plb | hm is linux-image-2.6 the latest kernel from kernel.org 2.6.13? or the latest image shown in apt repos 2.6.12? |
| 16:37.01 | stew | plb: 2.6.12 |
| 16:37.05 | plb | ok thanks |
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| 16:37.20 | fantomas | Hi. Is there an application to test sdl performance? I want to find fastest driver for it. (Already asked on #sdl) |
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| 16:37.41 | greycat | why did they disguise it as 1.0.4 instead of just bumping the version number? they didn't bother trying to disguise it when bind bumped and exposed people's broken configs. |
| 16:38.18 | antgel | greycat: it's a political tug of war between debian and mozilla. i think we're trying not too have egg on our collective face. |
| 16:38.37 | antgel | s/too/to |
| 16:38.46 | greycat | antgel: I don't get it... how does disguising upstream's 1.0.6 as debian's 1.0.4-with-patches help debian save face? |
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| 16:39.04 | zinx | greycat: probably the same reason they disguise 2.6.xx.y as 2.6.xx |
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| 16:39.11 | antgel | greycat: i suppose we can tell mozilla that we didn't upgrade to 1.0.6 as they suggested. |
| 16:39.13 | greycat | that's a different issue |
| 16:39.18 | FallOnMe | greycat: Maybe because it would have had an uglish 1.0.6-0sarge1 revision? |
| 16:39.18 | antgel | :P |
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| 16:39.34 | greycat | !info bind woody |
| 16:39.36 | dpkg | bind: (Internet Domain Name Server), section net, is extra. Version: 1:8.3.3-2.0woody2 (woody), Packaged size: 775 kB, Installed size: 1716 kB |
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| 16:39.42 | greycat | !info bind potato |
| 16:39.48 | dpkg | bind: (Internet Domain Name Server), section net, is optional. Version: 1:8.2.3-0.potato.1 (potato), Packaged size: 558 kB, Installed size: 1292 kB |
| 16:39.51 | greycat | like that? |
| 16:39.56 | FallOnMe | yah |
| 16:39.56 | antgel | from martin: |
| 16:39.57 | antgel | We experienced that the update for Mozilla Firefox from DSA 779-1 |
| 16:39.57 | antgel | unfortunately was a regression in several cases. Since the usual |
| 16:39.57 | antgel | praxis of backporting apparently does not work, this update is |
| 16:39.57 | antgel | basically version 1.0.6 with the version number rolled back, and hence |
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| 16:40.22 | antgel | ah nuts |
| 16:40.25 | dog | ola |
| 16:40.26 | antgel | read it yourselves |
| 16:40.31 | greycat | antgel: just give the URL |
| 16:40.39 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Where are you from in the UK? |
| 16:40.42 | FallOnMe | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2005/msg00182.html |
| 16:40.45 | wishie | ok, setting LANG=C and 'export LANG=C' seemed to fix my locale problem, for now. |
| 16:40.46 | antgel | greycat: i read it on usenet |
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| 16:40.56 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: lahndahn |
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| 16:41.04 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Ah, that explains it. |
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| 16:41.14 | greycat | antgel: it doesn't explain *why* they lied about the number. |
| 16:41.38 | antgel | greycat: of course not. it's vague as fuck and probably intended to be. |
| 16:41.43 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: what? |
| 16:41.45 | dabaR | whats the factoid for building debs? |
| 16:41.49 | ricky_clarkson | I was going to say that wherever you said you were from. |
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| 16:41.50 | ricky_clarkson | And I already had the above answer prepared. And this one. |
| 16:41.56 | greycat | dabaR: /msg dpkg mg |
| 16:41.58 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: you're scaring me |
| 16:42.10 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: I'm a norvunnur. |
| 16:42.18 | ricky_clarkson | We're supposed to scare you. |
| 16:42.20 | ricky_clarkson | Here be dragons. |
| 16:42.22 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: got any bitter or whippets? |
| 16:42.23 | FallOnMe | greycat: maybe it was an automatic response. Maybe someone forgot you don't have to bump the version back. |
| 16:42.39 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: I'm out of bitter and I don't gamble. |
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| 16:43.03 | zinx | greycat: my guess, they applied the security-related patches from 1.0.6, which in this case happened to be the only patches |
| 16:43.11 | zinx | greycat: or possibly not the only patches |
| 16:43.25 | greycat | zinx: well, it says "... is basically version 1.0.6". So who knows. |
| 16:43.57 | antgel | zinx: no, they tried to backport the 1.0.6 security fixes and the result was disappointing |
| 16:43.59 | greycat | having once attempted to build firefox, I sympathize with them. (Note: "attempted".) |
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| 16:44.47 | stew | antgel: but you probably didn't try to build it on hpux like greycat |
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| 16:45.32 | antgel | stew: i built it on linux and... windows! :-O |
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| 16:46.11 | FallOnMe | Damn! I've downgraded to 2sarge3 and still can't run Java. time to call it quits... |
| 16:46.32 | elephantman | How can i make my console print current dir path at prompt |
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| 16:46.49 | antgel | FallOnMe: why would you want to run java? especially in a web browser |
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| 16:46.58 | stew | FallOnMe: downgraded from what? |
| 16:46.58 | elephantman | like : root@streetball:~/home/user/ |
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| 16:47.13 | stew | FallOnMe: what version of debian? how did you install java? |
| 16:47.16 | antgel | elephantman: default debian bash config does this |
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| 16:47.40 | elephantman | antgel: u are right - but i want to duplicate this setting on another distrib |
| 16:47.48 | stew | elephantman: PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' |
| 16:47.52 | antgel | !smite elephantman |
| 16:47.57 | elephantman | stew: super thanx |
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| 16:48.20 | FallOnMe | antgel: I have a piece of hardware with a web fronted using Java applets. |
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| 16:48.24 | codemarauder | Anyone tried Debian on Sparc64? |
| 16:48.36 | lakcaj | Wow, firefox doesn't crash when I switch between tabs, and my gmail notifier works... I'm so happy :) |
| 16:48.53 | codemarauder | My SunBlade150 is losing time :( |
| 16:49.14 | greycat | does sarge's firefox support the mozex extension? |
| 16:49.28 | antgel | greycat: doubt it |
| 16:49.36 | FallOnMe | antgel: The alternative to using Java applet is to send someone down to the datacenter and read me something off the LCD. Which I did while looking for the Java solution here. |
| 16:49.38 | greycat | just thought I'd ask. |
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| 16:49.44 | Lee__ | yea. new web browsing experience! |
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| 16:50.02 | FallOnMe | !smite me |
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| 16:50.30 | stew | FallOnMe: how did you install java? |
| 16:50.32 | FallOnMe | codemarauder: try kernel 2.4. |
| 16:50.33 | Lee__ | !knoppixsmite FallOnMe |
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| 16:50.46 | Lee__ | sorry :) |
| 16:50.46 | FallOnMe | stew: java-package from sun's bin. |
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| 16:50.55 | antgel | greycat: last mozex release was in 2003 but afaik that's because the functionality is available elsewhere |
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| 16:51.02 | fantomas | Is there a tool for diagnosis current configuration of SDL? Something which displays for example used driver, etc... |
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| 16:51.11 | greycat | antgel: oh? |
| 16:51.13 | codemarauder | FallOnMe: I'm using kernel 2.6.8 |
| 16:51.19 | greycat | antgel: where would that be, praytell? |
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| 16:51.35 | antgel | greycat: don't know - depends what function you refer to |
| 16:51.39 | FallOnMe | codemarauder: 2.6.8 broke horribly on my Ultra 5. I backed down to 2.4.31. |
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| 16:51.50 | greycat | antgel: the most important to me is being able to edit textareas in vim |
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| 16:52.08 | stew | FallOnMe: where does /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so to? |
| 16:52.13 | codemarauder | FallOnMe: My soundcard is also not working |
| 16:52.23 | greycat | being able to click mailto: and have mutt open up is nice but I can live without it |
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| 16:53.06 | FallOnMe | stew: nowhere now, I deleted it while trying to get unstable firefox to work, forgetting I was trying to make it work to _use_ that plugin. D'oh. |
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| 16:53.36 | greycat | FallOnMe: if unstable's firefox is built with g++ 4.0, good luck finding a java runtime that is similarly built. |
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| 16:53.45 | FallOnMe | codemarauder: wouldn't know about the soundcard, I think the Blade 150 has a different one. |
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| 16:53.53 | stew | FallOnMe: oh you are on unstable? |
| 16:53.59 | stew | FallOnMe: and using sarge's firefox? |
| 16:54.03 | greycat | Hey, wait! Why don't we just built java with g++ 4.0? .... |
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| 16:54.04 | stew | wtf |
| 16:54.12 | abrotman | the blade has a sound card? |
| 16:54.12 | greycat | Oh, yeah... we CAN'T, BECAUSE IT ISN'T FREE! |
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| 16:54.19 | FallOnMe | :-) |
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| 16:54.34 | Lee__ | !java |
| 16:54.35 | dpkg | java is probably Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 16:54.36 | goccia | i'm using unstable firefox and jre1.5.0_03 on sarge |
| 16:54.40 | antgel | greycat: http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/electrix (but i haven't tried it) |
| 16:54.43 | atom-z | why would anyone want java anyway? |
| 16:54.48 | abrotman | goccia: all firefox is unstable |
| 16:54.50 | stew | goccia: sounds like a horrible idea |
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| 16:54.54 | goccia | abrotman: hahahah :)) |
| 16:54.54 | FallOnMe | goccia: and it works? |
| 16:54.54 | greycat | goccia: you are not using unstable firefox on sarge. |
| 16:55.03 | antgel | i'm using 1.0.4 on sid. that's how much i care about upgrading |
| 16:55.04 | goccia | FallOnMe: as a charm :) |
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| 16:55.08 | cplx | Can someone assist me please.. |
| 16:55.11 | greycat | goccia: if you are using unstable's firefox, it ain't sarge. by definition. |
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| 16:55.13 | antgel | atom-z: exactly |
| 16:55.19 | FallOnMe | goccia: what exact version of mozilla-firefox package? |
| 16:55.20 | lakcaj | !tell cplx about ask |
| 16:55.22 | goccia | greycat: yes i'm using it |
| 16:55.27 | codemarauder | FallOnMe: it has Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 01) |
| 16:55.27 | greycat | goccia: then you are not using sarge. |
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| 16:55.33 | stew | goccia: what version does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for Installed: ? |
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| 16:55.46 | goccia | FallOnMe: Installed: 1.0.6-3 |
| 16:55.52 | antgel | greycat: as for the mailto:, this is easily configurable in the prefs.js, which you will like as you can edit it with vim :P |
| 16:55.54 | cplx | Ok.. well, I have 2 network cards installed both on a 10/100mbit network.. RTL8139 at 100 FDX and the 3C905TX at HDX, any ideas why? |
| 16:56.09 | goccia | stew: Installed: 2.3.5-4 |
| 16:56.15 | goccia | debian rocksssssssssssss |
| 16:56.17 | greycat | goccia: you are running sid. |
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| 16:56.20 | antgel | cplx: kernel version? |
| 16:56.21 | stew | goccia: yeah, that't not sarge at all, you are running unstable |
| 16:56.22 | goccia | greycat: nope |
| 16:56.22 | eeyore- | cplx: hub or switch? |
| 16:56.25 | greycat | goccia: yes you are. |
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| 16:56.30 | cplx | eeyore-: 100mbit Switch |
| 16:56.33 | antgel | are too. am not. |
| 16:56.36 | eeyore- | cplx: are you *sure*? |
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| 16:56.47 | cplx | eeyore-: all ports are 100M FDX.. yes I am sure.... |
| 16:56.49 | goccia | stew: i'm runing sarge and what needs unstable -firefox |
| 16:56.53 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 16:57.00 | eeyore- | cplx: is it managed switch? or unmanaged? |
| 16:57.01 | Lee__ | goccia: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:57.02 | stew | goccia: what on your system is from the sarge repository? |
| 16:57.03 | antgel | goccia: aha, "what needs". |
| 16:57.07 | goccia | Lee__: coming |
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| 16:57.17 | goccia | Lee__: 3.1 |
| 16:57.23 | cplx | eeyore-: All my devices on the network are 100M FDX apart from this particular card.. |
| 16:57.31 | goccia | antgel: get the list for you in a sec:) |
| 16:57.36 | eeyore- | cplx: we're getting there. managed or unmanaged. brand? |
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| 16:57.47 | cplx | eeyore-: managed.. but all ports are on 100M FDX, so I dont see a problem there.. Netgear |
| 16:57.48 | antgel | goccia: i don't care about the list |
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| 16:58.02 | stew | maybe /etc/debian_version should just go away, it obviously doesn't say the right thing in the cases that it could be most useful |
| 16:58.05 | eeyore- | cplx: in case you're not getting the drift ... autonegotiation doesn't *always* work reliably across the board :-) |
| 16:58.08 | antgel | stew: yep |
| 16:58.23 | cplx | eeyore-: Ok.. so can I set FDX in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 16:58.24 | eeyore- | cplx: especially problematic are cisco + 3com combination |
| 16:58.37 | antgel | cplx: what kernel for the second time? |
| 16:58.43 | Lee__ | goccia: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep unstable |
| 16:58.46 | cplx | bf2.4.18 |
| 16:58.52 | antgel | cplx: jesus. |
| 16:58.55 | eeyore- | cplx: is the quality of the cabling good? have you tried another cable? |
| 16:58.59 | goccia | Lee__: The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 16:58.59 | goccia | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.05 | antgel | cplx: update your kernel i reckon |
| 16:59.08 | goccia | it works !!! |
| 16:59.09 | stew | cplx: you were supposed to replace that kernel at the end of the woody install process |
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| 16:59.26 | stew | goccia: do you understand what libc6 is? |
| 16:59.27 | goccia | Lee__: of course i use that source |
| 16:59.30 | drac | cplx: bf is "boot floppy" from old debian version, use real kernel and stable debian. |
| 16:59.32 | antgel | hehe |
| 16:59.32 | goccia | stew: comina up |
| 16:59.37 | goccia | ming* |
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| 16:59.44 | antgel | goccia: got any photos of your box? |
| 16:59.46 | Lee__ | goccia: okay. now you are NOT RUNNING SARGE! |
| 16:59.53 | goccia | stew: Name Service Switch update in the C Library: pre-installation question. |
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| 17:00.02 | stew | goccia: huh? |
| 17:00.03 | goccia | stew: i've got all the logs :) |
| 17:00.09 | stew | goccia: what logs? |
| 17:00.18 | stew | goccia: the dpkg logs? |
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| 17:00.26 | goccia | libc6 questions |
| 17:00.26 | JLogik | i thinking about putting Ubuntu on a lappy anyone have any suggestions on vedors to stick to? |
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| 17:00.30 | greycat | 2.4.18-bf2.4 is one of woody's kernels |
| 17:00.39 | goccia | stew:like : Running services and programs that are using NSS need to be restarted, |
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| 17:00.42 | goccia | and so on |
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| 17:00.51 | antgel | JLogik: i have a suggestion for a channel to ask in |
| 17:00.54 | stew | goccia: sarge's dpkg doesn't have logging capabilities |
| 17:01.05 | eeyore- | cplx: and if you run "mii-tools" (verify the name), does it tell you that the 3com card is using autonegotiation, or what does it say? |
| 17:01.11 | antgel | stew: he's using dpkg from experimental |
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| 17:01.18 | stew | antgel: etch's does |
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| 17:01.41 | antgel | stew: sarcasm was lost. perhaps. |
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| 17:02.00 | fantomas | Does anybody have an idea how to test SDL speed? |
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| 17:02.01 | goccia | stew: do you want me to join flood ? |
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| 17:02.23 | cplx | can someone here help guide me through a kernel upgrade ? |
| 17:02.28 | antgel | fantomas: what is the practical problem that you wish to solve? |
| 17:03.08 | DoppelGanger | why there are more hotdog buns than hot dogs in a package |
| 17:03.10 | FallOnMe | DoppelGanger: 42! |
| 17:03.14 | FallOnMe | no, wait |
| 17:03.24 | fantomas | antgel: I want to find optimal driver to use with SDL on my system |
| 17:03.28 | DoppelGanger | where are you buying your hotdogs |
| 17:03.36 | antgel | cplx: why don't you read the sarge release notes section 5.2 |
| 17:03.49 | lakcaj | antgel goccia: got any photos of your box? <<< WTF??? :) |
| 17:03.50 | antgel | fantomas: what do you mean by optimal? |
| 17:04.01 | fantomas | antgel: fastest for 2D graphics |
| 17:04.07 | cplx | antgel: I was just asking if anyone could help go through the process with me.. I figure I learn quicker when someone helps me do it etc.. |
| 17:04.16 | greycat | fantomas: so benchmark whatever 2D graphics program you actually use. |
| 17:04.18 | antgel | fantomas: are you a graphics pro? |
| 17:04.19 | goccia | Lee__: i know that it is not a proper sarge but : Setting up mozilla-firefox (1.0.6-3) so i'm happy |
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| 17:04.40 | antgel | goccia: you are in a right mess |
| 17:04.50 | fantomas | greycat: it doesn't show fps :)) |
| 17:04.54 | goccia | antgel: hold on |
| 17:05.02 | fantomas | greycat: it is windows 98 inside qemu :) |
| 17:05.12 | goccia | antgel: i've checked before the downgrade and it works as well :) |
| 17:05.16 | antgel | cplx: you might learn quicker but we have less time to help people who have tried to help themselves |
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| 17:05.31 | mascanc | Hi all |
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| 17:05.36 | mascanc | I've a problenm with rsh |
| 17:05.41 | antgel | lakcaj: he was giving so much info about packages, i wanted to put a face to the name :) |
| 17:05.44 | mascanc | I'm installing PVM from source code |
| 17:05.44 | goccia | so when a proper firefox will be avaiable on sarge i will downgrade and install it |
| 17:05.45 | eeyore- | mascanc: me too |
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| 17:05.49 | greycat | fantomas: I didn't say "stare at the part of the monitor where it prints FPS". I said benchmark it. |
| 17:05.50 | mascanc | I've created rhosts |
| 17:05.57 | greycat | fantomas: with a fucking wristwatch if you have to. |
| 17:05.58 | antgel | goccia: good luck downgrading libc |
| 17:06.01 | mascanc | but I've this problem: |
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| 17:06.10 | goccia | in the meantime fuck all the "bad press again " :)) |
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| 17:06.16 | mascanc | max@fourier ~ $ rsh localhost 'ls' |
| 17:06.16 | mascanc | 0003 |
| 17:06.16 | mascanc | Backup |
| 17:06.16 | mascanc | book |
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| 17:06.23 | goccia | antgel: i've done it already |
| 17:06.25 | abrotman | goccia: what's wrong with todays? |
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| 17:06.32 | mascanc | rsh localhost 'ls' |
| 17:06.34 | mascanc | ok |
| 17:06.46 | greycat | no, that is *not* ok. |
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| 17:06.52 | mascanc | max@fourier ~ $ rsh localhost 'echo $PVM_ROOT' |
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| 17:06.55 | eeyore- | mascanc: we're not really interested in reading line by line output of your problem |
| 17:06.55 | goccia | abrotman: nothing : debian rocks and i never ever complain |
| 17:07.00 | mascanc | Ok. |
| 17:07.04 | abrotman | poophead |
| 17:07.04 | mascanc | eeyore-, ok |
| 17:07.07 | eeyore- | mascanc: your problems are not especially interesting or challenging :-) |
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| 17:07.23 | atom-z | fantomas, QEMU supports accelerated 3d ? |
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| 17:07.27 | eeyore- | mascanc: so, rephrase, ask the right questions |
| 17:07.29 | mascanc | eeyore-, Ok, how can I set an environ variabile with rsh? |
| 17:07.36 | fantomas | atom-z: 3d? not sure |
| 17:07.39 | greycat | mascanc: rsh is NOT supported by me. use ssh. |
| 17:07.40 | mascanc | withouth resourcing .bash_profile? |
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| 17:07.49 | eeyore- | mascanc: you don't, your shell scripts do |
| 17:07.52 | mascanc | Not ever we can use ssh |
| 17:07.55 | atom-z | fantomas, as for SDL, what do you want to use it for? |
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| 17:07.56 | ErnestC | i have the impression that when i set http_proxy in my shell, that this var is not used by commands run from the crontab. Could that be true and if yes, how can i make sure commands from the crontab also know to use the setting? |
| 17:07.57 | stew | goccia: just out of curiosity, fill in the blank in the following sentence: "I know I'm running sarge because _____" |
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| 17:08.04 | Lee__ | rsh! awesome! is that being used over the Internet? that would be better. |
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| 17:08.09 | greycat | I won't speak for everyone here, but I'm be severely disappointed with ANYONE who supports the use of rsh. |
| 17:08.10 | debianuser | is there a way to test the security of my box online ? |
| 17:08.13 | eeyore- | mascanc: is this some brain-dead policy that says you can't use ssh? |
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| 17:08.20 | Lee__ | jesh, goccia still thinks he's running sarge? |
| 17:08.21 | QuietByDay | Hi, noob here. how do you redetect DHCP in the same way that the Debian installer does? |
| 17:08.26 | antgel | atom-z: that's what i asked. i think he's benchmarking for cock size competition |
| 17:08.29 | greycat | debianuser: put it outside your firewall and join #linux on efnet |
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| 17:08.31 | goccia | stew: of course i'm non running a proper sarge |
| 17:08.37 | Lee__ | QuietByDay: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 17:08.42 | goccia | but it is working ! |
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| 17:08.49 | atom-z | antgel, ah i see |
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| 17:08.51 | antgel | QuietByDay: /etc/init.d/networking |
| 17:08.55 | fantomas | atom-z: if my understanding is corrent, qemu uses SDL for graphics, while SDL uses any driver one asks it to use. Thus, I want to test SDL with different drivers. |
| 17:08.59 | dabreegster | Hey. I'm trying to compile an old bit of software that hasn't been updated in a while, Dungeon Game. (http://tempusmud.com/~jwatson/sdl-dg/) I get a syntax error about '<' on this line: template<class T> class Vector : public vector<T> { I know this probably isn't the place, but does anybody know how I can fix it? |
| 17:09.00 | mascanc | eeyore-, Administrator have decided to use rsh |
| 17:09.03 | debianuser | greycat: any other ideea ? |
| 17:09.07 | mascanc | eeyore-, I'm not an administrator |
| 17:09.08 | eeyore- | mascanc: he's a fuckhead |
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| 17:09.14 | mascanc | eeyore-, eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhh |
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| 17:09.21 | goccia | Lee__: am i talking ubuntu or knoppix ? |
| 17:09.23 | antgel | dabreegster: probably with an older compiler |
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| 17:09.26 | greycat | mascanc: fire him. |
| 17:09.37 | antgel | mascanc: he is more cock than admin |
| 17:09.41 | dabreegster | It also had a precompiled binary, but it required an old version of libstc++-libc6, so I tried linking it to my current and it failed and suggested 're-linking'. How can I relink? |
| 17:09.53 | QuietByDay | Lee/antgel: thanks. |
| 17:09.57 | fantomas | atom-z: but can't find any benchmarking tool which works with SDL |
| 17:09.57 | antgel | dabreegster: not binary compatible |
| 17:10.00 | dabreegster | antgel: Other options? Downgrading isn't too fun. |
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| 17:10.07 | antgel | QuietByDay: typo. /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 17:10.08 | Lee__ | mascanc: is this admin a frozen head from 1971? |
| 17:10.10 | goccia | Lee__: firefox fix it is not really perfect but no complain : i got sid firefox wich is debian |
| 17:10.15 | mascanc | antgel, our problem is not security.... |
| 17:10.20 | greycat | Lee__: now, be fair. 1983 at least. |
| 17:10.24 | greycat | mascanc: it is. |
| 17:10.26 | Lee__ | fine |
| 17:10.32 | antgel | dabreegster: you don't need to downgrade gcc. you can have multiple versions installed. |
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| 17:10.37 | greycat | we didn't have unix networking back in 1971 |
| 17:10.38 | dabreegster | antgel: Should I just find the real lib file and put it there? |
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| 17:10.46 | greycat | just UUCP |
| 17:10.49 | mascanc | greycat, no... We should resolve linear system in a private network, nor security |
| 17:10.49 | dabreegster | antgel: That's too much trouble. How would I 're-link'? |
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| 17:10.52 | antgel | dabreegster: no, you should use an old compiler |
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| 17:10.55 | asg | greycat: and UUBP |
| 17:11.02 | Lee__ | greycat: hey, your FTP must die piece cites 1971 for the FTP RFC. networking existed back then. |
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| 17:11.08 | greycat | unix to unix beer protocol? |
| 17:11.08 | dabreegster | antgel: That's too much trouble, but thanks anyway |
| 17:11.15 | fantomas | atom-z: do you know is there a way to see what driver SDL currently uses? |
| 17:11.16 | atom-z | speaking of networking, when i nmap'd myself, I see: rpcbind, and port 947 (tcp) open. What are they? |
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| 17:11.24 | greycat | fantomas: ask #sdl |
| 17:11.28 | mascanc | greycat, so, if I run update-alternatives and I run the ssh agent, the problem remains ... |
| 17:11.31 | antgel | atom-z: google |
| 17:12.01 | mascanc | greycat, Don't know where export my env variables for remote login shell |
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| 17:12.17 | fantomas | greycat: actually that was I started from but moved here hoping to get help |
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| 17:12.26 | greycat | fantomas: did it work? |
| 17:12.43 | Jimmy-HPC | anyone know what ATA driver I should enable for an intel 825 p4 chipset in my kernel config |
| 17:12.43 | antgel | fantomas: is sdl not just a library? |
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| 17:12.46 | greycat | mascanc: pass them to the COMMAND you are running. ssh remotehost 'env FOO=bar my command' |
| 17:13.02 | fantomas | greycat: not yet. I wonder why this question has no simple answer like 'apt-get install sdlinfo' or apt-get install sdl-utils :) |
| 17:13.12 | greycat | fantomas: because we aren't SDL developers here? |
| 17:13.21 | greycat | how would we know the internals of SDL? |
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| 17:13.34 | fantomas | greycat: you neihter opengl developers but sure know how to test it :) |
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| 17:13.44 | greycat | I do? |
| 17:13.48 | dabreegster | Is there an archive of old library files to where I can just grab one file? |
| 17:13.57 | antgel | fantomas: why do you think you have options for sdl drivers? it's just a library |
| 17:13.58 | dabreegster | fantomas: I think there's an #sdl here |
| 17:14.05 | greycat | all I know about opengl can be summarized in my bug report against lincity-ng |
| 17:14.07 | fantomas | greycat: yes. you helped me once with that :) |
| 17:14.16 | greycat | fantomas: I really doubt that. |
| 17:14.25 | Bush_terrorist_ | u |
| 17:14.27 | Lee__ | it was your clone. |
| 17:14.31 | antgel | greycat: if you hadn't helped him with that, he wouldn't be asking us this :P |
| 17:14.32 | fantomas | greycat: you said: glxgears |
| 17:14.33 | greycat | !bugs 322501 |
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| 17:14.36 | dpkg | #322501:N[lincity-ng] lincity-ng: crashes, segmentation faults, etc.; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:03:01 UTC |
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| 17:14.55 | greycat | fantomas: is that opengl? |
| 17:14.58 | atom-z | ok... cant find information on port 947 |
| 17:15.02 | greycat | fantomas: I wouldn't know. |
| 17:15.05 | Lee__ | glxgears. yeah. that's what I use when I need to feel good about myself. |
| 17:15.09 | greycat | atom-z: lsof -i :947 |
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| 17:15.38 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.42 | atom-z | rpc.statd |
| 17:15.43 | greycat | it says GLX, not opengl. |
| 17:15.53 | atom-z | GLX is an interface to opengl |
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| 17:15.57 | greycat | if they're the same then that's news to me. |
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| 17:16.03 | atom-z | they're not the same |
| 17:16.18 | atom-z | glX is an xwindows extension, which allows access to accelerated opengl |
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| 17:16.23 | atom-z | iirc |
| 17:16.31 | coreyo | has anyone had problems with the 2.6.13 kernel and a really buggy ieee80211/ipw2200 driver? |
| 17:16.40 | atom-z | greycat, hehe |
| 17:16.48 | antgel | greycat: i swear you are born for slackware |
| 17:16.55 | fantomas | greycat: ok, my mistake. But you understood what I mean. |
| 17:16.59 | antgel | !tell coreyo about anyone |
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| 17:17.13 | cplx | What 2.6 kernel is best in your peoples oppinions? stability whise etc |
| 17:17.25 | antgel | !tell cplx about best |
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| 17:17.32 | antgel | is there something in the water today? |
| 17:17.36 | reuq | How do i expand a reiserfs partition to take up the entire hd yet still be bootable and retain its data? |
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| 17:17.51 | cplx | maybe in yours.. |
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| 17:18.12 | atom-z | rpc.statd sounds like a stats server, which sounds like I dont want it running. Whats the safest way to disable rpcbind and rpc.statd (is RPC stuff in its own package? or just disable via update.rc) |
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| 17:18.30 | greycat | atom-z: it's part of NFS |
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| 17:18.37 | antgel | cplx: actually i'm out of water. dehydrated as fuck. and sweating profusely |
| 17:18.45 | atom-z | ah ok, well... I dont use NFS |
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| 17:18.51 | antgel | atom-z: then purge it |
| 17:18.59 | eeyore- | atom-z: you go by "sounds like" a lot? |
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| 17:19.09 | eeyore- | atom-z: do you know why you might want rpc.* or nfs? |
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| 17:19.15 | greycat | why did you install NFS if you don't use it? |
| 17:19.22 | atom-z | greycat, *I* didnt |
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| 17:19.28 | antgel | probaby cocksel |
| 17:19.35 | antgel | i mean tasksel |
| 17:19.39 | atom-z | greycat, the debian-installer did, when I said i wanted a desktop environment |
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| 17:19.46 | greycat | !antgel++ |
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| 17:20.05 | Lee__ | tasksel? that's like, a wizard, right? with a robe and wizard hat? |
| 17:20.05 | greycat | atom-z: see antgel. |
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| 17:20.16 | greycat | Lee__: robe sold separately. |
| 17:20.22 | atom-z | uh |
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| 17:20.34 | Lee__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.48 | atom-z | If I hadnt used that, I wouldnt know where to begin with installing packages |
| 17:20.50 | antgel | we're supposed to be a secure distro. i think tasksel makes some dodgy decisions. |
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| 17:21.01 | antgel | but i don't use it so don't care that much |
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| 17:21.16 | Lee__ | atom-z: manual selection. x-window-system gnome. there's your desktop system. |
| 17:21.27 | antgel | atom-z: understood. you'll know next time |
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| 17:21.37 | proppy | hi |
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| 17:21.50 | Lee__ | and less. I still don't understand why the base system doesn't even include less. |
| 17:21.51 | antgel | does tasksel install kde and gnome? it's almost criminal. |
| 17:22.01 | atom-z | antgel, yeah it does |
| 17:22.01 | antgel | Lee__: vim |
| 17:22.14 | Lee__ | yeah. that's tasksel's "desktop system" |
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| 17:22.26 | proppy | how can i use mini-dinstall to remove reference of a deleted package from a debian repository ? |
| 17:22.29 | antgel | why can't it install ed and ratpoison? |
| 17:22.32 | Lee__ | 1.5 gigs! |
| 17:22.37 | atom-z | along with rpcbind, exim4, sshd |
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| 17:22.47 | antgel | atom-z: exim4 is in base |
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| 17:22.53 | Lee__ | exim4 is installed in the 140 meg base system |
| 17:23.06 | Lee__ | an MTA is kinda useful. |
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| 17:23.29 | atom-z | antgel, well... I'm not too bothered about that, because you can tell it to bind to localhost |
| 17:23.41 | atom-z | what package is rpc stuff in ? |
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| 17:23.47 | FallOnMe | antgel: what task would you accomplish with ed? |
| 17:23.57 | antgel | atom-z: dpkg -l nfs* |
| 17:23.57 | atom-z | dpkg -l & apt-cache arent being overly useful |
| 17:23.58 | dpkg | No packages found matching & apt-cache arent being overly useful |
| 17:24.02 | atom-z | oh |
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| 17:24.09 | antgel | FallOnMe: i would edit files |
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| 17:24.37 | FallOnMe | antgel: just use the spiffy, bloated, VIsual editor. |
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| 17:25.22 | antgel | FallOnMe: when i said that desktop should install ed and ratpoision, i was being sarcastic. sarcasm is no fun when you have to explain it. |
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| 17:25.54 | FallOnMe | antgel: I guess I should not play dumb then. |
| 17:25.56 | antgel | Lee__: why not fix an rc bug? |
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| 17:26.10 | exerd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.10 | exerd | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 17:26.10 | exerd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:26.15 | goccia | anyway : what it is most important to me is getting three times in a row a y/n question doing the libc6 install-dance and watching a stopping starting done daemon sequence ending in perfection : whoever has done this , i mean a three questions in a row , well is a great person |
| 17:26.23 | antgel | FallOnMe: i guess i shouldn't be sarcastic |
| 17:26.27 | atom-z | antgel, greycat: ok, rpc.statd is gone now. Thanks for the help |
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| 17:26.46 | lakcaj | exerd, try installing it manually with dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_0.068-2_i386.deb |
| 17:26.55 | antgel | exerd: are you running unstable? please say you're not |
| 17:26.57 | eeyore- | goccia: was that a question or was that haiku? |
| 17:27.08 | exerd | antgel, Yes i am );D |
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| 17:27.30 | antgel | exerd: then why don't you know the implications of that? |
| 17:27.32 | goccia | eeyore-: a y/n but three of them |
| 17:27.46 | exerd | antgel, what? |
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| 17:27.53 | antgel | ok, how do i do a qotd? |
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| 17:28.20 | xidaux | Anyone know of an alternative to ghostview/gv ? Ghostview is kind of a Swiss army knife for reading text. I'm looking for something that doesn't need mouse control. |
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| 17:28.54 | xidaux | apt ghostview |
| 17:28.58 | xidaux | apt hello |
| 17:28.59 | apt | Howdy Bub |
| 17:28.59 | Lorvija | hey, i got lilo bootloader and i should boot with a flag "noapic" where do i add that flag or what ever its calleD? |
| 17:29.02 | eeyore- | xidaux: you want to look at postscript files? |
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| 17:29.05 | lakcaj | exerd, if you are going to run unstable, you are expected to have a minimum level of working knowledge when you ask questions in here. The implication is that you shouldn't run unstable if you don't know how to do basic debian trouble shooting. |
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| 17:29.21 | xidaux | eeyore-: Ghostview can view pdf files and a number of other formats too |
| 17:29.31 | lakcaj | and that's why I run stable :) |
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| 17:29.33 | xidaux | eeyore-: Much better than say xpdf for instance |
| 17:29.35 | exerd | lakcaj, Ok sorry. But i get the same error when doing it manualy |
| 17:29.37 | eeyore- | xidaux: yeah but that ... i would use gpdf/acroread for pdf files |
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| 17:29.51 | lakcaj | exerd, is it no more verbose when using dpkg? |
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| 17:30.06 | eeyore- | xidaux: it's just *wrong* to use ghostview to view pdf files |
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| 17:30.19 | xidaux | eeyore-: Yeah, but it makes more sense to have just one application that can be a Swiss army knife |
| 17:30.28 | xidaux | eeyore-: No |
| 17:30.32 | lakcaj | evince :) |
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| 17:30.49 | xidaux | eeyore-: Would be awesome if it could do pdf, postcript, .docs , and xhcm all in one |
| 17:30.53 | Gnea | Lorvija: append="noapic" |
| 17:30.59 | Lorvija | Gnea thanks |
| 17:31.04 | xidaux | eeyore-: Oops, *chm rather |
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| 17:31.10 | Lorvija | Gnea btw do i need the " " |
| 17:31.12 | eeyore- | xidaux: swiss army knives are overrated. it can't get my car unstuck. it can't replace my tow ropes. it can't replace my pull-pal. it can't work as a hi-lift. that's why there are different tools for different situations |
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| 17:31.25 | Gnea | Lorvija: yes |
| 17:31.29 | Lorvija | okay thanks gn |
| 17:31.31 | Lorvija | Gnea* |
| 17:31.34 | Gnea | np |
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| 17:31.49 | xidaux | eeyore-: Yeah, but you can use the swiss army knife on every one of those things somewhere or another |
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| 17:31.57 | eeyore- | xidaux: try using a swiss army knife to dig your car out of a ditch |
| 17:32.06 | xidaux | eeyore-: Except maybe a pull-pal which I have no clue wtf that is |
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| 17:32.12 | eeyore- | xidaux: do you even know what a pull-pal or a hi-lift is? :-) |
| 17:32.18 | lakcaj | s/swiss army knife/leatherman |
| 17:32.30 | FallOnMe | eeyore-: so your car got stuck in a ditch recently? ;-) |
| 17:32.31 | exerd | lakcaj, udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted |
| 17:32.32 | antgel | !qotd149 |
| 17:32.33 | dpkg | hmm... qotd149 is <goccia> anyway : what it is most important to me is getting three times in a row a y/n question doing the libc6 install-dance and watching a stopping starting done daemon sequence ending in perfection: whoever has done this, i mean a three questions in a row, well is a great person |
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| 17:32.40 | lakcaj | exerd, well, there you go |
| 17:32.41 | eeyore- | FallOnMe: no, but i pack for the trails :-) |
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| 17:33.23 | exerd | lakcaj, yea so i need to upgrade the kernel? |
| 17:33.31 | bowman | yay! happy birthday nmap :) |
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| 17:33.46 | FallOnMe | bowman: Don't you just love easter eggs |
| 17:33.53 | lakcaj | exerd, I would assume so. I think there might even be a precompiled 2.6.12 kernel available somewhere, but I really don't know. |
| 17:34.03 | bowman | FallOnMe: especially self-discovered ones ;) |
| 17:34.07 | xidaux | eeyore-: I think having an application be able to parse and represent various formats for reading text fits within the "do one thing and do it well" philosophy for unix. Your way is taking it to the reductio absurdum extreme |
| 17:34.25 | anymous | oh, kernel: will it really be available through volatile, even with version > 2.6.8? |
| 17:34.33 | eeyore- | xidaux: a pull-pal is a commercial name for a type of land anchor. you stick on end of it into the ground, hook the other end up to a winch. when you winch it, it digs into the ground. the harder you winch, the stronger/deeper it digs into the ground. good for when you have no trees to winch. |
| 17:34.35 | exerd | lakcaj, okey thank you very much! how do i ignore that package? because i cant upgrade the other things when that one doesnt work |
| 17:35.02 | antgel | !tell exerd about apt howto |
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| 17:35.22 | xidaux | eeyore-: yawn |
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| 17:35.44 | lakcaj | exerd, also, there is a linux-image-2.6.12 package available in unstable. The name linux-image is replacing kernel-image, so you could try just installing that. |
| 17:35.46 | eeyore- | xidaux: pdf has other information inside it. just because it happens to use postscript for some of its data, doesn't mean it's a postscript file |
| 17:36.13 | eeyore- | xidaux: same thing for CHM. it's really HTML, so why make something that natively understands postscript go through hoops to display it. that's just wrong. |
| 17:36.20 | eeyore- | xidaux: and bass-ackwards thinking |
| 17:36.42 | exerd | lakcaj, thanks |
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| 17:36.51 | xidaux | eeyore-: Not if the code isn't too extravagant or bloated |
| 17:37.03 | xidaux | eeyore-: Than it isn't ass backward thinking |
| 17:37.10 | xidaux | *Then rather |
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| 17:37.33 | lakcaj | Can anyone in here create dpkg factoid? It would be nice to have a factoid for "linux-image" explaining the new naming convention. |
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| 17:38.08 | xidaux | eeyore-: xchm is something uncessary retarded extraneous Microsoft idea anyway meant to lock down information |
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| 17:38.20 | xidaux | eeyore-: or chm rather |
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| 17:38.28 | xidaux | eeyore-: Not xchm in and of it itself but the format |
| 17:38.35 | lakcaj | brb |
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| 17:38.51 | eeyore- | i have to question why you feel you need to view .CHM files under unix |
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| 17:38.54 | proppy | how do you update Packages and Sources file in a debian repository, when you've rm'ed a package ? |
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| 17:39.03 | eeyore- | if you must use CHM files, go use visual studio or something |
| 17:39.06 | xidaux | s/uncessary/unnecessary/g |
| 17:39.17 | eeyore- | it's not like the CHM files are gonna tell you anything about UNIX programming, anyway |
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| 17:39.35 | Gathond | proppy: rerun dpkg-scansources and dpkg-scanpackages as you did to generate the files the first time |
| 17:39.36 | xidaux | eeyore-: Some books on programming are written in chm now |
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| 17:39.59 | xidaux | eeyore-: Or distributed in that format rather |
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| 17:40.27 | proppy | Gathond: files were updated by remote dput command |
| 17:40.28 | eeyore- | xidaux: professional books? or are we talking about code samples? |
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| 17:41.09 | eeyore- | xidaux: anyhow, there have to be better viewers for chm than that. and trying to make one tool does it all is not going to be as satisfactory as one tool that does the one thing well |
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| 17:41.27 | eeyore- | xidaux: your definition of "one thing" is unnecessarily large |
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| 17:41.49 | proppy | Gathond: is there a tool to remove only one package or should i regenerate the whole file ? |
| 17:41.56 | eeyore- | xidaux: your definition of "one thing" happens to be "view all kinds of text files" and THAT is where it contradicts the principle you just stated |
| 17:41.56 | xidaux | eeyore-: O'REILLY Learning the KORN Shell.chm |
| 17:41.59 | Gathond | proppy: I know of none |
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| 17:42.11 | xidaux | eeyore-: 0201549794_[Addison-Wesley_Professional,_1996]_The_Design_and_Implementation_of_the_4.4_BSD_Operating_System_(Unix_and_Open_Systems_Series.).chm |
| 17:42.18 | abrotman | !chm |
| 17:42.18 | dpkg | hmm... chm is to extract Compressed HTML files (MS Windows HtmlHell Data) use the chmLib (and its example programs to be found at http://66.93.236.84/~jedwin/projects/chmlib/) or use xchm |
| 17:42.19 | Gathond | proppy: but regenerating it should not take long |
| 17:42.46 | xidaux | eeyore-: That's your opinion this is the year 2005 not 1985 |
| 17:42.51 | proppy | Gathond: thank you very much , (what package contain dpkg-scanpackages?) |
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| 17:43.10 | xidaux | eeyore-: saving megabytes or bytes is not a major concern anymore |
| 17:43.15 | Gathond | proppy: cant remember |
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| 17:43.37 | lordlamer | hi. i use debootstrap to install a minimal sarge system into a folder. but debootstrap breaks because he didnt find console-tools-libs. what can i do? |
| 17:43.41 | proppy | Gathond: ty anyway |
| 17:44.14 | Gathond | xidaux: its not mainly about that as a philosophy, its about not having one tool that is medicore at everything but severel that does a good job at something specific |
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| 17:44.29 | xidaux | eeyore-: You see contradiction through cognitive dissonance because you have a low IQ |
| 17:45.02 | sgeigerbot | Why do the proxy and bin users have home directories of /bin ? |
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| 17:45.08 | abrotman | !tell proppy about search |
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| 17:45.31 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: why not? |
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| 17:45.55 | Lorvija | Hiya, could someone help me out a bit? I got system and kern logs flooded with this stuff: http://pastebin.com/352106 any idea what that is and if it's bad? and how to fixit... |
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| 17:46.15 | cronic | can anyone remind me what packages I need to mount a cifs file system? |
| 17:46.23 | Lee__ | would there happen to be a package in Sarge with a funny name that'll import Visio documents? |
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| 17:46.42 | proppy | abrotman : ty |
| 17:46.42 | cronic | Does it have to have a funny name lee? |
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| 17:46.54 | Gathond | Lorvija: its not bad as such, its the systems firewall logging every incomming connection attempt |
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| 17:47.01 | Lee__ | no, it doesn't but it should import visio docs |
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| 17:47.14 | valdyn | cronic: 'smbfs' |
| 17:47.18 | cronic | thanks val |
| 17:47.20 | jesperj | What is the best way to make a system auto "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" at boot? |
| 17:47.20 | Lorvija | Gathond heh okay.. so i just should adjust the firewall not to log that stuff? =) |
| 17:47.29 | eeyore- | lee: that's asking a lot really. do you want it to edit the visio stuff too? or just display? |
| 17:47.29 | cronic | yup that's what I was missing. :) |
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| 17:47.43 | Gathond | Lorvija: so remove whatever rules you have in there with LOG as the target |
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| 17:48.09 | Lorvija | Gathond okay thanks for the help! =) |
| 17:48.13 | Lee__ | eeyore-: just display |
| 17:48.23 | lakcaj | jesperj, create your own /etc/init.d/local with whatever you want and add it with update-rc.d |
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| 17:48.37 | eeyore- | Lee__: you'll have better luck to get visio to export that as some other format, or at the very least, print it to a file as a postscript file :-) |
| 17:48.40 | xidaux | eeyore-: Ok, so you think it's a good idea that "zcat" command exists rather than just an extra flag added to the command "cat" for that function ? |
| 17:48.41 | r3v | Lee__: you anti-kde, and have to get apt-get'able? |
| 17:49.02 | lakcaj | jesperj, there is an /etc/init.d/skeleton you can use as a template, but you can get rid of most of the stuff in it for a simple startup/shutdown script. |
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| 17:49.24 | eeyore- | xidaux: dude, i have no desire to continue this line of discussion ok? i have better things to do with my time and limited IQ :-) |
| 17:49.32 | cronic | this should be fun |
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| 17:49.59 | littleb | if i wanted updated packages would i be better downloading sarge or testing |
| 17:50.03 | greycat | xidaux: I use gzip -dc |
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| 17:51.08 | xidaux | eeyore-: funny no one ever complains about emacs even though that goes far beyond what I was proposing |
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| 17:51.34 | xidaux | eeyore-: Way far beyond .... |
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| 17:51.43 | r3v | xidaux: I complain about emacs ALL the time |
| 17:51.46 | FieldySnuts | ~start an editor war |
| 17:51.47 | apt | ae sucks |
| 17:51.49 | Gathond | xidaux: alot of people would call emacs a bloated POS :) |
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| 17:52.04 | r3v | Gathond: most people would :) |
| 17:52.18 | Gathond | r3v: perhaps, I havent researched it :) |
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| 17:53.35 | eeyore- | xidaux: you don't have to address to me :-) |
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| 17:53.47 | dogmeat | is there a better way to get an xterm on my desktop? every time, before i login to the debian host, i need to xhost +<ip>, ssh <ip>, export DISPLAY=<myip>:0.0, then finally xterm& |
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| 17:54.06 | valdyn | !sshx |
| 17:54.07 | dpkg | sshx is, like, Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 17:54.21 | eeyore- | dogmeat: you don't need "xhost +" if you just "ssh -X" |
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| 17:54.39 | eeyore- | dogmean: assuming sshd on the remote host is set to allow port forwarding |
| 17:54.47 | dogmeat | thanks ;-), ive been doing things the stupid way for too long. |
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| 17:55.11 | eeyore- | dogmeat: and the more you start using ssh, you might want to put parameters in ~/.ssh/config file |
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| 17:55.38 | littleb | what do u guys run stable testing unstable ? |
| 17:55.47 | valdyn | !tell littleb about polls |
| 17:55.53 | Lee__ | yes, I run stable testing unstable. |
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| 17:56.50 | greycat | littleb: "yes" |
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| 17:57.55 | BobbyGrace | I am using the 2.6.12-1-686 kernel. When I try to modprobe speedstep-centrino I get this message: "FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_centrino (/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko): No such device" . but the .ko file IS present in that directory........ what can I do to fix this ? |
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| 17:58.20 | valdyn | BobbyGrace: the error isnt that the module isnt found but 'no such device' |
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| 17:58.23 | greycat | BobbyGrace: are you on a centrino CPU? |
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| 17:58.28 | eeyore- | BobbyGrace: "no such device" means your machine isn't speedstep capable |
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| 17:58.33 | BobbyGrace | I am on a centrino CPU |
| 17:58.40 | eeyore- | BobbyGrace: maybe you should use acpi or ich |
| 17:58.48 | valdyn | BobbyGrace: there is no centrino cpu. |
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| 17:58.56 | yang | Is there a website that deals with Internet abuse DDOS ? |
| 17:58.59 | eeyore- | BobbyGrace: are you sure? because speedstep_centrino says you don't have it |
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| 17:59.09 | greycat | !abuse yang |
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| 17:59.10 | dpkg | yang: Shut your festering gob, you tit! |
| 17:59.12 | eeyore- | valdyn: you know what he means ;-) |
| 17:59.13 | BobbyGrace | valdyn: I know. My processor is Dothan ( platform is centrino :) |
| 17:59.15 | yalu | hi, since I compiled a new kernel, I can still see my digital camera in the output of lsusb and gphoto2 --auto-detect, but I cannot connect to it... does anyone have an idea which driver I maght have forgotten to compile in? |
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| 17:59.47 | BobbyGrace | eeyore-: ls /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/ |
| 17:59.47 | BobbyGrace | acpi-cpufreq.ko longrun.ko powernow-k8.ko speedstep-smi.ko |
| 17:59.47 | BobbyGrace | cpufreq-nforce2.ko p4-clockmod.ko speedstep-centrino.ko |
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| 18:00.05 | valdyn | BobbyGrace: try acpi-cpufreq, works for me. |
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| 18:00.06 | eeyore- | BobbyGrace: 2.6.12 or 2.6.13? i'm running speedstep-centrino / 2.6.(12|13) fine on this pentium-m |
| 18:00.25 | BobbyGrace | eeyore-: 2.6.12 |
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| 18:00.57 | eeyore- | BobbyGrace: could some other cpu frequency managers have been loaded beforehand? |
| 18:01.04 | eeyore- | BobbyGrace: lsmod and verify |
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| 18:02.17 | cheal | cpufreq-nforce2? cool...do they make nforce2 laptops? |
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| 18:02.22 | BobbyGrace | eeyore-: I have a module called freq_table loaded. that's the closest thing.... |
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| 18:02.30 | greycat | BobbyGrace: we know the *.ko file is there. "No such device" means something quite different from "No such file or directory." |
| 18:02.41 | valdyn | cheal: cpu freq scaling doesnt depend on 'laptop' |
| 18:02.42 | cheal | centrino, eeeeww |
| 18:02.45 | BobbyGrace | greycat: ok. so device is hardware related ? |
| 18:02.46 | cheal | valdyn: ok |
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| 18:02.50 | greycat | !nosuchdevice |
| 18:02.50 | dpkg | "No such device" means you're trying to access a device which exists in /dev but for which the kernel has no driver available. Try 'modconf', or rebuild your kernel. |
| 18:03.02 | greycat | although in this case, it appears to have yet another meaning. |
| 18:03.18 | greycat | perhaps there's a prerequisite driver that speedstep needs? |
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| 18:03.28 | greycat | motherboard chipset driver of some sort? |
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| 18:04.09 | eeyore- | BobbyGrace: yeah, it means "speedstep_centrino" looks at your hardware and doesn't think it's capable of driving it because it hasn't got the hardware it needs |
| 18:04.22 | BobbyGrace | greycat: could it be done with something called "cpufreqd daemon" ? ?? |
| 18:04.24 | valdyn | dpkg, nosuchdevice is also you are trying to load a hardware driver without that hardware being present |
| 18:04.24 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 18:04.33 | greycat | BobbyGrace: damned if I know. I don't buy Intel CPUs. |
| 18:04.33 | eeyore- | BobbyGrace: i don't know ... could frequency scaling be something you could disable in the bios? i didn't think so. |
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| 18:04.54 | eeyore- | BobbyGrace: or, possibly, it just doesn't understand dothan frequency scaling :-) |
| 18:05.02 | valdyn | greycat: no, but speedstep-centrino not working on centrino notebooks is common ( at least on thinkpads ) |
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| 18:05.16 | BobbyGrace | eeyore-: Nah, I think you need software to control the speedstep. without, the processor runs at full always |
| 18:05.19 | eeyore- | valdyn: hmm. ok. something to think about. it works on my dell's |
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| 18:05.37 | eeyore- | BobbyGrace: nope, that "software" for linux is the speedstep_centrino thing |
| 18:05.37 | greycat | BobbyGrace: linux will still issue a HALT instruction when it's idle. |
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| 18:05.47 | Lee__ | ACPI freq scaling works on some dell laptops but sleep doesn't. |
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| 18:06.00 | valdyn | BobbyGrace: just use the acpi driver its not 'worse' |
| 18:06.17 | eeyore- | Lee__: yeah, i've had acpi-cpufreq stop working on my dell precision 8100 recently. it just stopped :-p |
| 18:06.19 | BobbyGrace | greycat: I know, but still, Firefox makes the cpu-fan sound like it's preparing for take-off :) |
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| 18:06.43 | eeyore- | BobbyGrace: you can pick different scaling governors |
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| 18:06.49 | BobbyGrace | ok ? |
| 18:06.58 | eeyore- | BobbyGrace: default is "performance" (or whatever you pick). try "powersave" or "ondemand" |
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| 18:07.12 | Lee__ | inspiron 1150 here. ACPI sleep makes really cool video art on my screen. |
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| 18:07.26 | greycat | Lee__: melting teal tie-die screen of death by any chance? |
| 18:07.27 | BobbyGrace | all web pages I have googled tells me I have to load the speedstep-centrino module. no one offers an alternative way |
| 18:07.45 | eeyore- | greycat: ooooh, i hate when an LCD panel does that :-) |
| 18:07.54 | Lee__ | greycat: no, that's even better. the inspirot 3500 with APM suspend does that. It's /awesome/! |
| 18:07.55 | valdyn | BobbyGrace: so you tried loading acpi-cpufreq yet? |
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| 18:08.14 | eeyore- | greycat: that's from what, driving the LCD with wrong clock / voltages? |
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| 18:08.17 | greycat | Lee__: eeyore-: I've gotten that teal tie-die thing on a couple laptops just trying to startx. |
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| 18:08.20 | BobbyGrace | what package is it located in ? cant find acpi-cpufreq with apt |
| 18:08.33 | valdyn | BobbyGrace: its a module, you listed it earlier |
| 18:08.34 | abrotman | !tell BobbyGrace about search |
| 18:08.36 | greycat | eeyore-: no idea what causes it other than "x don't like this box" |
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| 18:08.53 | BobbyGrace | oh =) |
| 18:08.58 | greycat | eeyore-: fixed in one case by using (upstream) XFree86 4.4 (yes, I know...). In another by xserver-xorg. |
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| 18:09.11 | eeyore- | greycat: i always shut mine down when that happens. |
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| 18:09.44 | greycat | eeyore-: well, yeah. :) |
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| 18:10.09 | BobbyGrace | valdyn: I guess "modprobe acpi-cpufreq" was successfull. got no error messages. what's the next step ? |
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| 18:10.38 | greycat | BobbyGrace: put it in /etc/modules |
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| 18:10.59 | BobbyGrace | greycat: yes, but won't modprobe do the same thing for me ? |
| 18:11.04 | eeyore- | BobbyGrace: you can always hope 2.6.13 will drive it (dothan) properly :-> |
| 18:11.04 | greycat | man modules |
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| 18:11.14 | BobbyGrace | greycat: with that I emant that the module is loaded |
| 18:11.14 | valdyn | BobbyGrace: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies |
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| 18:11.37 | greycat | BobbyGrace: it won't be loaded when you boot unless you put it in modules(5) |
| 18:11.55 | greycat | (that's *three* times now... how many times does he have to be told?) |
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| 18:12.06 | BobbyGrace | I know that |
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| 18:12.19 | goccia | a fresh mail for me : Debian Security Announcements > New Mozilla Firefox > "this update is basically version 1.0.6 with the version number rolled back" :) |
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| 18:12.24 | BobbyGrace | but it should be loaded now that ive used modprobe, right ? |
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| 18:12.33 | greycat | yes. |
| 18:12.34 | abrotman | goccia: oh come on .i posted that horus ago :) |
| 18:12.34 | greycat | duh! |
| 18:12.40 | greycat | (or you could *check* it) |
| 18:12.41 | BobbyGrace | valdyn: command gave me 1600000 1600000 1600000 1600000 1600000 1400000 1200000 1000000 800000 600000 |
| 18:12.45 | atom-z | can I install a kernel-image and kernel-headers from sid onto etch, without stuff breaking ? |
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| 18:12.50 | greycat | you asked "What's the next step?" and I told you. |
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| 18:12.59 | greycat | atom-z: probably |
| 18:13.17 | valdyn | BobbyGrace: fine, your cpu freq scaling is working, i dont know how you want to adjust your cpu frequency. |
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| 18:13.26 | greycat | atom-z: bear in mind, you might not have the same compiler used on that kernel-image if your thirdparty modules care about that sort of thing |
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| 18:13.31 | eeyore- | valdyn: gnome has a nifty applet for that :-) |
| 18:13.32 | goccia | abrotman: never tell me to check me mail when i'm on adrenaline ? |
| 18:13.41 | eeyore- | valdyn: it sits on my gnome panel all the time now |
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| 18:14.12 | abrotman | goccia: it was hours ago |
| 18:14.13 | BobbyGrace | valdyn: so now the freq will be scaled automatically ? |
| 18:14.15 | Area-51 | Does anyone know the packages i need to install to see cyrillics in the console? (debian testing, kernel 2.6.11.11, xorg) |
| 18:14.17 | valdyn | BobbyGrace: 'apt-get install powernowd gnome-cpufreq-applet' would be one way |
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| 18:14.19 | atom-z | greycat, they do care. hmm. what gcc was sid's kernel built with? |
| 18:14.25 | BobbyGrace | thanks |
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| 18:14.39 | valdyn | BobbyGrace: no, it doesnt do anything so far, apt-cache show <packagename> to see what each does. |
| 18:14.46 | goccia | abrotman: did not know , damn , just reading it :( |
| 18:14.47 | greycat | atom-z: boot it, cat /proc/version |
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| 18:15.07 | atom-z | I see |
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| 18:15.33 | atom-z | is the worst case scenario with installing a sid kernel basically, that the new kernel may not work? |
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| 18:15.49 | valdyn | atom-z: isnt that always the worst case? |
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| 18:15.55 | greycat | the worst case scenario is that it damages your hardware, but I've *never* heard of that happening. |
| 18:16.03 | valdyn | atom-z: using sid kernels isnt usually very dangerous however. |
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| 18:16.14 | greycat | second worst is that it corrupts one of your file systems beyond repair, and that *has* happened. |
| 18:16.24 | greycat | one of the 2.4.x kernels did that. |
| 18:16.27 | emilio | fgfdg |
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| 18:16.35 | abrotman | oh .. or it could have a cdrom bug that might cause it to throw CDs at you! |
| 18:16.40 | greycat | hah |
| 18:16.42 | valdyn | some 2.6 broke a certain cdrom drive, iirc |
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| 18:16.52 | atom-z | valdyn, on mandrake, a broken kernel install could break lots of things |
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| 18:17.02 | atom-z | greycat, I see |
| 18:17.11 | Overfiend | You have to identify to nickserv just to join this channel now? Bletch. |
| 18:17.17 | greycat | Overfiend: no |
| 18:17.21 | abrotman | Overfiend: no |
| 18:17.24 | greycat | we are not +r |
| 18:17.25 | emilio | rtert |
| 18:17.30 | Overfiend | well, I got kicked off somehow, and couldn't rejoin until I identified |
| 18:17.34 | emilio | C' un italiano qui? |
| 18:17.34 | valdyn | atom-z: same in sid, basically, but its extremely rare. If you can live with those odds... |
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| 18:17.40 | greycat | Overfiend: probably caught by +l or +J |
| 18:17.42 | abrotman | Overfiend: are you going to spam us with webcams? |
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| 18:17.56 | abrotman | maybe his windows box is infected! |
| 18:18.01 | Overfiend | abrotman: Yes, I've got one poised over my crotch as we speak. |
| 18:18.02 | greycat | we're 13... make that 12... under the +l right now |
| 18:18.04 | atom-z | valdyn, right, I see. I take it testing's kernels generally wont break stuff? |
| 18:18.05 | stew | i wonder if the spambots have a bug and don't spam me becuase my nick is only 4 chars or something |
| 18:18.15 | stew | but still have yet to receive any pornbot spam |
| 18:18.21 | abrotman | Overfiend: I'll sign right up! |
| 18:18.24 | eeyore- | Overfiend: is it shaved? |
| 18:18.25 | greycat | Overfiend: oh no! not Overfiendsphallus! |
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| 18:18.36 | Overfiend | eeyore-: you're confusing me with doogie |
| 18:18.42 | valdyn | atom-z: you can never tell *anything* basicall with something as complex as a kernel, but 'testing' kernels are at least already tested by quite a few people. |
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| 18:18.55 | emilio | Are there any italian here? |
| 18:18.58 | Overfiend | anyone know if MoinMoin supports "free links |
| 18:18.58 | greycat | !it |
| 18:18.58 | dpkg | from memory, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 18:19.00 | Overfiend | er |
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| 18:19.04 | Overfiend | anyone know if MoinMoin supports "free links", a la MediaWiki? |
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| 18:19.10 | atom-z | valdyn, yeah. Ok, thanks |
| 18:19.16 | greycat | Overfiend: you mean like ["some text |
| 18:19.18 | emilio | #debian-it |
| 18:19.18 | greycat | "] |
| 18:19.21 | Overfiend | greycat: yes |
| 18:19.29 | greycat | Overfiend: ["free text"] works in moin |
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| 18:19.34 | Overfiend | a couple/3 years ago, they called those...ah... |
| 18:19.35 | Area-51 | Does anyone know the packages i need to install to see cyrillics in the console? (debian testing, kernel 2.6.11.11, xorg) |
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| 18:19.52 | valdyn | Area-51: cyrillic fonts? |
| 18:19.57 | Area-51 | valdyn: yes |
| 18:20.01 | Overfiend | greycat: I wish they'd state that in their promotional materials. http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinFeatures |
| 18:20.08 | Overfiend | I guess I can add it :) |
| 18:20.12 | greycat | heh |
| 18:20.13 | valdyn | Area-51: 'apt-cache search cyrillic font' |
| 18:20.14 | Overfiend | the page itself is a wiki :) |
| 18:20.20 | Overfiend | oh, it's there |
| 18:20.22 | Overfiend | I'm just blind. |
| 18:20.29 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.29 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.29 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.39 | abrotman | probably has something to do with the webcam |
| 18:20.39 | Area-51 | valdyn: but thats too easy... |
| 18:20.41 | Area-51 | :) |
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| 18:20.49 | Overfiend | abrotman: yeah, too busy admiring my own manhood |
| 18:21.34 | greycat | hmm, openssh 4.2 released |
| 18:21.35 | abrotman | makes it hard to read |
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| 18:22.07 | valdyn | Area-51: hmm, ttf-dejavu is probably the package for the 'average' gnome user. |
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| 18:22.28 | goccia | atom-z: a sid kernel on sarge , perhaps ? (of course i have it) |
| 18:22.43 | abrotman | Overfiend: did you fix your postfix? |
| 18:22.50 | Overfiend | abrotman: aye, yes I did. |
| 18:22.56 | abrotman | Overfiend: what was wrong? |
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| 18:23.08 | Overfiend | turns out I was making several mistakes, none of which "postfix check" had brains enough to catch |
| 18:23.11 | Lee__ | goccia: living on the edge. Taking Aerosmith's words to heart. |
| 18:23.20 | Overfiend | like, defining a variable twice... |
| 18:23.23 | kamaraju | My /var/log/messages is full of messages like Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only configuration source at position 2 How can I stop these? What package do I have to uninstall to get rid of these? |
| 18:23.26 | Overfiend | letting a .db file get out of date... |
| 18:23.28 | Overfiend | there was one other |
| 18:23.31 | abrotman | doh |
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| 18:23.44 | abrotman | kamaraju: do you use gnome? |
| 18:23.49 | mbuf | hi |
| 18:23.51 | goccia | Lee__: i want more ; taking sisters :) |
| 18:23.54 | mbuf | who starts kapmd, i am using debian sarge 3.1r0a on both ibm t41 and dell 510m, same 2.6.12.3 kernel, but, kapmd runs on ibm, is not started on dell |
| 18:24.02 | greycat | ``NB. Older OpenSSH (<3.5) versions have a bug that will cause them to refuse to connect to any server that does not offer compression when the client has compression requested. Since the new "delayed" [...] they will refuse to connect to a new server unless compression is disabled (on the client end) or the original compression method is enabled on the server'' |
| 18:24.09 | kamaraju | abrotman: I use kde but gnome is also installed just for emergency purposes. |
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| 18:24.42 | abrotman | kamaraju: seems gconf is causing the error .. are you running sid ? |
| 18:24.47 | Lee__ | woah. gnome for "emergency purposes". I can't imagine what that emergency must be. |
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| 18:24.51 | kamaraju | abrotman: yes. |
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| 18:24.54 | greycat | Lee__: I was wondering that too. |
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| 18:25.11 | greycat | "Help! Help! My desktop is running too quickly and efficiently!" |
| 18:25.20 | abrotman | kamaraju: and you checked the BTS? |
| 18:25.23 | kamaraju | Lee__: With sid you never know what is in store. |
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| 18:25.25 | greycat | "I need more bugs, and I need them RIGHT NOW!" |
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| 18:25.27 | Lee__ | retreat to Gnome! |
| 18:25.28 | Area-51 | lol @ greycat |
| 18:25.40 | abrotman | hehe @ lol |
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| 18:25.46 | Lee__ | greycat ++ |
| 18:25.49 | Area-51 | :P |
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| 18:26.00 | mbuf | anyone? who starts kapmd? i am using debian sarge 3.1r0a on both ibm t41 and dell 510m, same 2.6.12.3 kernel, but, kapmd runs on ibm, is not started on dell |
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| 18:26.13 | greycat | mbuf: sounds like a linux kernel thread to me |
| 18:26.13 | valdyn | mbuf: your kernel does |
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| 18:26.33 | kamaraju | abrotman: against which package should I search? |
| 18:26.38 | greycat | mbuf: most likely triggered by loading the apm module |
| 18:26.38 | abrotman | kamaraju: gconf ? |
| 18:26.48 | goccia | ahhhhh a 2.6.12.3 kernel on sarge ? i WANT IT ! |
| 18:26.52 | kamaraju | abrotman: ok. Doing it now. |
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| 18:26.56 | mbuf | greycat, i have all apm modules compiled in |
| 18:27.00 | Lee__ | goccia: have you read the kernel-package manpage? |
| 18:27.00 | mbuf | goccia, stock kernel |
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| 18:27.14 | greycat | mbuf: then we do not support your kernel. |
| 18:27.23 | greycat | mbuf: try ##linux |
| 18:27.28 | goccia | Lee__: apt read it for me :) |
| 18:27.29 | mbuf | greycat, ok, thanks |
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| 18:27.59 | Lee__ | !smite goccia |
| 18:28.10 | syntaxx | im using xdm and when i try to put any file named .xinitrc / .xsession X wont load just for my startup program to run |
| 18:28.19 | goccia | mbuf: sexy debs are welcome in here :) |
| 18:28.21 | kamaraju | abrotman: I checked bts for gconf package. No such bugs reported. Should I report one? |
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| 18:28.29 | greycat | syntaxx: put the right line *in* the .xsession file |
| 18:28.38 | greycat | or line_s_ |
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| 18:28.51 | greycat | sample .xsession file: |
| 18:28.53 | greycat | xterm & |
| 18:28.54 | greycat | exec fvwm |
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| 18:29.45 | syntaxx | greycat: .xsession gkrellm & exec /path/to/fluxbox it wont load |
| 18:29.59 | greycat | what errors are reported in .xsession-errors? |
| 18:30.04 | skate | you don't need the filepath to fluxbox |
| 18:30.08 | skate | just "exec fluxbox" |
| 18:30.17 | greycat | but it won't hurt (as long as it's the right path) |
| 18:30.19 | syntaxx | i even try it skate |
| 18:30.21 | kamaraju | Lee__: The emergency being that one fine day I discover my kde is broken in sid and I need a fallback option. Having Gnome installed would come handy at that time. |
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| 18:30.45 | goccia | Lee__: when ravenbird will come in i'll ask for your retina to be perforated and given to the jackals |
| 18:30.50 | Lorvija | whats good commandline music player which can play .pls files and also can adjust the music tone (bass,treble etc) |
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| 18:31.04 | greycat | kamaraju: why not fall back to something sane like fvwm, blackbox, wmaker? |
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| 18:31.35 | kamaraju | greycat: I just have not used them before. But I have used gnome before. |
| 18:31.41 | syntaxx | greycat: Failed to load groupfile: |
| 18:31.44 | travisat | gnome is a bit big for a fallback |
| 18:31.46 | syntaxx | thats the last line |
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| 18:32.18 | skate | who cares, if the guy wants to run a bulky window manager, let him |
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| 18:32.39 | travisat | skate: gnome isn't that bulky, just big |
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| 18:33.33 | kamaraju | Oh no. Not another flame war :-) |
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| 18:33.46 | GnomeDesktop1337 | kamaraju: what where? |
| 18:33.51 | skate | syntaxx what happens if you only have "exec fluxbox" in your ~/.xsession file |
| 18:33.55 | skate | does fluxbox start? |
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| 18:34.37 | travisat | skate: try it? |
| 18:34.39 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Gnome Sarge install, sweet! http://reg.imageshack.us/v_images.php |
| 18:34.45 | skate | try what? |
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| 18:34.51 | skate | i already run fluxbox |
| 18:34.56 | skate | he's the one with the problem. |
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| 18:34.58 | travisat | then what do you care |
| 18:34.59 | Hecate | When I'm starting X-Win32, I'm getting a '[some path]\CA.XKB impossible to find, using default keyboard'. (Upon verification the file doesnt exist) How can I fix that? |
| 18:34.59 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 18:35.06 | skate | jesus |
| 18:35.26 | Sharcho | Is there a way I can change the stty settings of a parent process? |
| 18:35.32 | greycat | Sharcho: no |
| 18:35.40 | nullvoid | why is that when I dpkg -l | grep package I can see rc beside the package name, even the package had been removed? and how do I get rid of this? |
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| 18:36.39 | greycat | ``Increase the default size of new RSA/DSA keys generated by ssh-keygen from 1024 to 2048 bits.'' |
| 18:36.42 | syntaxx | thanks it works now |
| 18:36.57 | Lorvija | hmm anyone? kernel: Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 00004000 what does that mean? (: it also has several lines after that.. |
| 18:37.12 | greycat | syntaxx: that's very peculiar. how did a *background* job cause fluxbox to crash? |
| 18:37.50 | syntaxx | greycat: no idea |
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| 18:38.27 | Servo888 | anybody know of some sort of cli program that can be used to search for samba / window shares? |
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| 18:39.15 | greycat | Servo888: ask #samba |
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| 18:40.24 | Diguinho | can anybody help me? My gnome isn't mounting automatically cd-roms and cd-r.. Gnome-volume-manager is already running and my user is already member of the group "plugdev". Weird, cause it works ok with compact flash cards. But cdrom is not mounting... I use debian unstable. |
| 18:40.26 | Hecate | Anyone know what's CA.XKB anyway? Is it some kind of keyboard configuration file? |
| 18:40.35 | Sharcho | Servo888, take a look at nbtscan |
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| 18:41.01 | travisat | Diguinho: mine does the opposite, it automounts cds but not cf cards |
| 18:41.08 | laurens__ | Quick, give me a good idea for a hostname :P |
| 18:41.10 | Diguinho | travisat: :) |
| 18:41.27 | kamaraju | laurens__: laurens |
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| 18:41.38 | Diguinho | and what should I use: gamin or fam ? which one is better? |
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| 18:41.53 | travisat | laurens__: yellowpotbellyfever |
| 18:42.03 | stew | Diguinho: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:42.07 | Knowerrors | Hey all, just tried building 2.6.13 and got this error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/pVyh3l52.html |
| 18:42.12 | Knowerrors | any ideas to help? |
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| 18:42.23 | Diguinho | 2.6.12-starkey |
| 18:42.27 | Jmax | if i have funny man pages installed, how can i specify the non "funny" one? |
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| 18:42.41 | Diguinho | that's my revision of the kernel |
| 18:42.42 | [sr] | howdy:p |
| 18:42.56 | [sr] | a good smtp auth patch for qmail |
| 18:42.57 | cahoot | Knowerrors: just curious - what gcc version? |
| 18:43.00 | [sr] | how knows? |
| 18:43.04 | Diguinho | stew: why ? |
| 18:43.07 | Knowerrors | 3.4 |
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| 18:43.13 | stew | Diguinho: becuase if you said 2.6.11 i would have had ideas |
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| 18:43.20 | Diguinho | oh .. |
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| 18:44.12 | stew | Diguinho: does udev create /dev/cdrom when you insert a cd? |
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| 18:45.38 | greycat | [sr]: /j #qmail Cripes. |
| 18:45.57 | kamaraju | abrotman: I finally found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=188433 reported 2 years ago against gconfd. Looks like no action has been taken on this. Hmmm time to uninstall gconf2 |
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| 18:46.10 | Diguinho | stew: I think udev creates /dev/cdrom when the module cdrom is loaded.. right now there's no cd on the drive and /dev/cdrom still exists |
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| 18:46.33 | abrotman | kamaraju: or ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
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| 18:46.56 | [sr] | greycat they're sleeping :p |
| 18:47.45 | Knowerrors | cahoot so does having gcc 3.4 make a difference? |
| 18:47.45 | Lorvija | hey do you guys know any good command line music player which plays .pls files? |
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| 18:48.15 | greycat | [sr]: ah... well, in either case, I don't know. I don't use SMTP AUTH. |
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| 18:48.16 | cahoot | Knowerrors: sorry - no idea - but this a sid system no? |
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| 18:48.27 | greycat | [sr]: didn't google come up with any? |
| 18:48.29 | Knowerrors | yeah, mainly sid, a little sarge |
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| 18:49.09 | travisat | Knowerrors: 3.3.6 works on my system |
| 18:49.18 | [sr] | greycat yes but... nothing really good, i'm thinkling in qmail-ldap |
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| 18:49.23 | stew | Diguinho: are you in whatever group owns /dev/cdrom? (i know just about nothing about gnome-volume-manager btw, so i'm stabbing in the dark) |
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| 18:49.29 | greycat | I *definitely* can't do -ldap. |
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| 18:49.49 | Diguinho | yes, I'm already in the "cdrom" group |
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| 18:49.56 | Diguinho | stew: yes, I'm already in the "cdrom" group |
| 18:50.07 | cahoot | Knowerrors: this looks malignant to me: version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 |
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| 18:50.10 | laurens__ | hi greycat |
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| 18:50.39 | Knowerrors | cahoot "malignant"? sounds bad... |
| 18:50.45 | Diguinho | stew: now I removed ide-cd and cdrom modules, and /dev/cdrom is gone.. /dev/hdb is gone too |
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| 18:51.08 | sussudio | wangtek wangtek wangtek wangtek archive archive |
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| 18:51.54 | sgeigerbot | !wangstrike sussudio |
| 18:51.54 | dpkg | A Wang 486 Tower descends from the great colo in the sky, knocking sussudio to the ground and leaving a large smoldering crater. |
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| 18:52.27 | greycat | that meme predates the "smite" meme |
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| 18:53.26 | Lorvija | hey could someone recommend command line music player which can play playlists? |
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| 18:53.42 | tbd | the BTS seems to be rather slow from here... |
| 18:53.42 | stew | Lorvija: cplay |
| 18:53.51 | Lorvija | stew thank you |
| 18:54.16 | stew | tbd: its slow from everywhere |
| 18:54.17 | Randall64 | damn it, gnome is eating alt-[du] |
| 18:54.43 | greycat | the gnomes are hungry. |
| 18:54.47 | sgeigerbot | Lorvija: cdcd (for playing CDs, as you might have guessed), pyxmms-remote - command-line interface to XMMS |
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| 18:55.00 | tbd | thx, stew |
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| 18:55.06 | sgeigerbot | xcplay - ncurses interface to xmms |
| 18:55.11 | Lorvija | sgeigerbot thanks (: |
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| 18:55.16 | greycat | sgeigerbot: the pyxmms-remote one probably requires him to have xmms running |
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| 18:55.54 | tbd | I'll ask then... |
| 18:56.18 | Knowerrors | does the RSA key posted on Mili's need to be converted to Hex? |
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| 18:56.22 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Perhaps. I know there's at least one that works that way, but the name pyxmms-remote doesn't ring a bell in that regard. do you know about the ncurses one I mentioned? Does it require xmms to be running? |
| 18:56.31 | travisat | hmmph xcomposite with xcompmgr messes up electricsheep |
| 18:56.31 | greycat | no idewa |
| 18:56.35 | greycat | s/w// |
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| 18:56.54 | tbd | mozilla-firefox is crashing me when viewing macromedia flash contents |
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| 18:57.01 | Knowerrors | before being inserted in system-nagra.c |
| 18:57.05 | tbd | in a sid |
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| 18:57.14 | tbd | any hints? |
| 18:57.25 | travisat | tbd: problem with the plugin probably |
| 18:57.25 | tbd | (apart from "don't use it") |
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| 18:57.36 | exobyte | tar can retain symlinks, right? |
| 18:57.40 | greycat | tbd: why did you even *bother* asking a sid question? |
| 18:57.45 | goccia | tbd: foxes clear and smiling in here : blame the weather :) |
| 18:57.46 | greycat | exobyte: yes |
| 18:57.53 | FallOnMe | tbd: sid's firefox is linked with gcc-4.0's libstdc++ libraries. Your non-free flash plugin probably can't stand that. |
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| 18:58.05 | exobyte | greycat: you live here, don't you |
| 18:58.13 | tbd | the funny thing of the story is that konqueror works fine... |
| 18:58.24 | FallOnMe | tbd: my best guess - try downgrading to sarge's 1.0.4-2sarge3 |
| 18:58.25 | x64 | hey, what command would i use to find "mysqld.sock"? |
| 18:58.32 | greycat | tbd: and konqueror was built with which g++? |
| 18:58.41 | tbd | FallOnMe: I certainly believe you... |
| 18:58.44 | stew | tbd: what version of konqueror? |
| 18:59.02 | abrotman | the bad one |
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| 18:59.06 | tbd | stew: 3.4.1 using KDE 3.4.1 |
| 18:59.11 | cahoot | x64: ls /var/run/mysqld |
| 18:59.12 | atom-z | x64, find / | grep mysqld.sock, but someone probably knows where it is |
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| 18:59.20 | greycat | tbd: ok, and you are surprised by this because...? |
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| 18:59.27 | greycat | oh yeah, because you shouldn't be running sid at all. |
| 18:59.35 | Lorvija | hmm stew.. (: does cplayer need any plugins to play .pls? |
| 18:59.39 | x64 | thanks |
| 18:59.41 | byers | hello? |
| 18:59.49 | greycat | Lorvija: does the man page tell you? |
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| 18:59.55 | byers | someone in ##linux is reporting not being able to message this chan.. strange |
| 19:00.00 | Lorvija | greycat okay i'll check it (: |
| 19:00.02 | Gathond | Lorvija: what is .pls ? playlists? |
| 19:00.06 | Lorvija | Gathond yes |
| 19:00.10 | greycat | byers: do we get to guess who? |
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| 19:00.24 | FallOnMe | people are using sid because it has newer versions of stuff. there's no need to ack surprised. |
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| 19:00.33 | byers | greycat: do you want to? :-D |
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| 19:00.38 | atom-z | FallOnMe, wrong. |
| 19:00.41 | Gathond | Lorvija: then nothing would ever just play them, since they would presumably be of varying types:) |
| 19:00.44 | greycat | FallOnMe: but there IS a need to educate them, and the only way I can do it is through public humiliation. |
| 19:00.45 | atom-z | FallOnMe, sid is unstable |
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| 19:00.55 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Ah, I was thinking of the one called xmms-shell |
| 19:00.55 | atom-z | FallOnMe, which means stuff may not work |
| 19:01.00 | FallOnMe | atom-z: yeah I know. |
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| 19:01.14 | Lorvija | Gathond well it's that winamp playlist... plays streams for example |
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| 19:01.20 | greycat | FallOnMe: more than that, it means that WHEN stuff doesn't work, you are EXPECTED to know how to make it work. |
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| 19:01.31 | jetscreamer | what is sid |
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| 19:01.39 | x64 | I don't see a mysqld in "/var/run/" |
| 19:01.44 | atom-z | !tell jetscreamer about sid |
| 19:01.49 | jetscreamer | what is this sid everybody keeps talking about |
| 19:01.52 | Gathond | Lorvija: sure, but generally a program might or might not support a given .pls file depending upon what it actually tries to play |
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| 19:01.54 | jetscreamer | i don't get it |
| 19:02.02 | byers | nobody has taken virusbye's voice, by any chance? |
| 19:02.05 | beardy | !sid |
| 19:02.05 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 19:02.12 | jetscreamer | if it's available how can it never be released |
| 19:02.12 | greycat | byers: he's root. |
| 19:02.22 | greycat | byers: ?=root@* is +q'ed |
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| 19:02.27 | Lorvija | Gathond so i should just test all the available players if it plays the playlists available from di.fm? (: |
| 19:02.39 | FallOnMe | greycat: this exact wording should probably be quoted on www.debian.org/releases/ and everywhere else where sid is mentioned. |
| 19:02.43 | jetscreamer | somePriest: what is sid? |
| 19:02.43 | byers | haha, nice |
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| 19:02.52 | jetscreamer | heh autocomplete boo |
| 19:02.57 | jetscreamer | somePriest: what is sid? |
| 19:02.59 | Gathond | Lorvija: you should find out which formats they use and look for that |
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| 19:03.00 | jetscreamer | wtf??? |
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| 19:03.09 | jetscreamer | i type so: and it autocompletes |
| 19:03.13 | FallOnMe | greycat: in, like, red blinking size 24 font. |
| 19:03.17 | Lorvija | Gathond well it's .pls format... only thing they say.. (: |
| 19:03.20 | tbd | if sid is "still in development", it seems it really had to say "aid, *always in development", which is no aid actually... |
| 19:03.21 | jetscreamer | after i hit enter it autocompletes |
| 19:03.23 | greycat | Lorvija: so READ THE FILE! |
| 19:03.26 | tbd | ...for users |
| 19:03.34 | tbd | but for developers |
| 19:03.39 | Lorvija | greycat man pages said nothing (: |
| 19:03.45 | greycat | tbd: it DOES NOT FUCKING STAND FOR "still in development" |
| 19:03.46 | r3v | tbd: sid isn't still in development, it's the neighboor on toystory |
| 19:03.46 | Gathond | Lorvija: but that really says nothing, you could probably distribute textfiles in .pls format if one desired:) |
| 19:03.54 | jetscreamer | what does sid mean? |
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| 19:04.02 | jetscreamer | greycat tell me tell me tell me |
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| 19:04.12 | skate | don't you people fucking read about distros before you install them? |
| 19:04.23 | Lorvija | Gathond well true.. (: i'll check if i could find some info about di.fm forums or something.. |
| 19:04.31 | Zomb | skate: real users never read |
| 19:04.31 | streuner__ | jetscreamer: /msg dpkg sid |
| 19:04.31 | Lorvija | Gathond thanks for the help |
| 19:04.40 | Gathond | Lorvija: look into the file as greycat suggested |
| 19:04.43 | FallOnMe | skate: s/about.*//, the answer would probably still be no |
| 19:04.45 | stew | Lorvija: i dunno about .pls, but they are just a text file with a url. hit 'h' for help see if there is anything in there |
| 19:04.49 | atom-z | why are people who know less about linux than I do running unstable? |
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| 19:05.03 | streuner__ | Zomb: </ironic> |
| 19:05.06 | Gathond | atom-z: it makes them feel elite |
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| 19:05.16 | Lee__ | Gathond: 31337 even. |
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| 19:05.19 | beardy | Gathond: 1337 |
| 19:05.22 | atom-z | heh |
| 19:05.33 | Lorvija | Gathond hmm yea (: it helped.. now i got the stream url.. (: |
| 19:05.36 | Gathond | beardy: sorry, Im not elite enough to know that fancy language of yours :) |
| 19:05.37 | ricky_clarkson | Ok, you spamblocking people, now I'm getting Yahoo! IM spam instead, thanks. ;) |
| 19:05.42 | Lorvija | stew yep thanks |
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| 19:05.47 | beardy | Gathond: ;) |
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| 19:06.12 | stew | Lorvija: if it doesn't support pls at all, file a wishlist bug |
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| 19:06.38 | Lorvija | stew well i'll search a player that supports streams.. (: |
| 19:06.45 | x64 | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2) |
| 19:06.47 | x64 | hmm |
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| 19:07.01 | greycat | oh, first it was playlists and now it's streams. |
| 19:07.03 | greycat | make up your mind! |
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| 19:07.43 | Lorvija | greycat as i said (i think :D ) i opened the file with nano and noticed it just has a normal stream url in it (: |
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| 19:07.55 | FallOnMe | x64: that's a bad place for a socket. |
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| 19:08.08 | abrotman | !cookie |
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| 19:08.26 | abrotman | dpkg: you're weird |
| 19:08.27 | travisat | !piguy |
| 19:08.27 | dpkg | well, piguy is the latest and greatest thing, which they should put on slash dot as the 5th option on all of there polls, or what Cowboyneal should be replaced with |
| 19:08.28 | SerajewelKS | more spambots? |
| 19:08.36 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you mean they stopped? |
| 19:08.43 | travisat | who is piguy |
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| 19:08.49 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, i mean i was forwarded to overflow 30 seconds ago |
| 19:09.24 | abrotman | that happens |
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| 19:09.45 | ThePiratemaster | hi all |
| 19:10.06 | FallOnMe | piguy is that man who can recite thousands of digits of that transcendental number. |
| 19:10.09 | abrotman | ho ho ho ... how's the matey doin? |
| 19:10.26 | travisat | FallOnMe: oh that guy. |
| 19:10.34 | SerajewelKS | FallOnMe, i can recite 40... |
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| 19:10.55 | jesperj | What is the best way to make a system auto "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" at boot? |
| 19:11.00 | ThePiratemaster | i can look "recite" up in the dictionary |
| 19:11.10 | travisat | i can spell resite |
| 19:11.17 | ricky_clarkson | jesperj: Type apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:11.18 | FallOnMe | SerajewelKS: you're maybe a single pixel of a rather large "p", not a piguy, then |
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| 19:11.22 | ThePiratemaster | jesprey, A way is with cron |
| 19:11.31 | SerajewelKS | jesperj, cat it into a shell script and put it in /etc/rd5.d |
| 19:11.35 | jesperj | ricky_clarkson, *sigh* |
| 19:11.42 | SerajewelKS | ThePiratemaster, he said "on boot" |
| 19:11.49 | stew | Lorvija: a quick look at the cplay source makes me think that it should handle pls |
| 19:11.50 | beardy | jesperj: man 5 crontab (@reboot) |
| 19:11.59 | ThePiratemaster | oops, yea he did :P |
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| 19:12.01 | jesperj | ty guys |
| 19:12.11 | laurens__ | Is mounting /var/www noexec a Good Idea? |
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| 19:12.22 | stew | Lorvija: what happens when you try to add a pls? |
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| 19:12.29 | Lorvija | stew okay thanks for looking @ it (: help just doesnt mention playlists/streams.. i'll check the homepage |
| 19:12.30 | SerajewelKS | beardy, never knew about that one |
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| 19:12.38 | laurens__ | Oh, and is /var/mail where user email usually goes? this box is going to be a qmail webserver |
| 19:12.40 | Lorvija | stew it adds it but doesnt play it.. |
| 19:12.41 | laurens__ | ehhh |
| 19:12.42 | laurens__ | mailserver of course :P |
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| 19:12.51 | FallOnMe | laurens__: not bad. all of /var is even better. |
| 19:12.52 | Lorvija | hmm might be alsa isnt working correctly.. gotta check it.. |
| 19:12.52 | stew | Lorvija: do you have mpg123/mpg321 installed? |
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| 19:12.58 | Lorvija | yes |
| 19:12.59 | beardy | SerajewelKS: There's a few @thisandthat, all in the manual ;) |
| 19:13.06 | laurens__ | FallOnMe: I was just wondering |
| 19:13.07 | SerajewelKS | beardy, yeah looking at it now |
| 19:13.14 | laurens__ | FallOnMe: If I have some php pages that apache serves |
| 19:13.21 | FallOnMe | laurens__: /tmp too but that'll break dpkg installations. |
| 19:13.21 | laurens__ | FallOnMe: and they need executing |
| 19:13.24 | stew | Lorvija: see if you can play the stream with mpg123 first |
| 19:13.31 | cplx | I have to kernel boot images in lilo.conf what flag do I use to set one as default boot |
| 19:13.34 | laurens__ | FallOnMe: it will? I always mount /tmp noexec |
| 19:13.36 | FallOnMe | laurens__: why? running php as cgi? |
| 19:13.41 | lethias | Need help setting the correct graphics driver and resolution settings for my laptop. |
| 19:13.46 | SerajewelKS | beardy, @reboot is about the only one i'd ever use... i'd rather not have what i want to be done dictated by what the cron authors decide should happen in a future version |
| 19:13.54 | laurens__ | FallOnMe: for example |
| 19:13.59 | laurens__ | FallOnMe: i dont do that atm |
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| 19:14.12 | Lorvija | stew yes will do, thanks (: |
| 19:14.12 | cplx | default=Linux |
| 19:14.14 | ThePiratemaster | any idea id Etch it gonna take long anyone? |
| 19:14.17 | cplx | does that refer to the label or the image name? |
| 19:14.20 | ThePiratemaster | *if |
| 19:14.28 | FallOnMe | laurens__: I think you don't need exec for mod_php. |
| 19:14.31 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: maybe .. maybe not |
| 19:14.33 | SerajewelKS | ThePiratemaster, you saw how well the sarge release date was projected... |
| 19:14.37 | beardy | SerajewelKS: True. I doubt @hourly, @daily and so on will have a different meaning in the future. |
| 19:14.40 | cplx | default=Linux |
| 19:14.41 | ThePiratemaster | lol |
| 19:14.46 | ThePiratemaster | and woody also took 2 years |
| 19:14.47 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: there's no way we can make any guesses |
| 19:14.52 | cplx | default=Linux = Does that refer to the label or the image name in lilo.conf !? |
| 19:14.59 | SerajewelKS | beardy, depends on if @daily is supposed to happen at midnight or noon, i suppose |
| 19:15.01 | abrotman | if only the DPL was around to ask .. maybe he has a plan ... |
| 19:15.02 | beardy | SerajewelKS: +though |
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| 19:15.12 | FallOnMe | dpkg, when will etch release |
| 19:15.12 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out. |
| 19:15.44 | SerajewelKS | !siyh |
| 19:15.44 | dpkg | i heard siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
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| 19:15.50 | ThePiratemaster | anyone ever used etch recently? |
| 19:15.58 | SerajewelKS | ThePiratemaster, i use it on my desktop |
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| 19:16.01 | abrotman | i'm sure many have .. i accidentally installed it this morning! |
| 19:16.05 | somePriest | jetscreamer, Hi, you seemed to be speaking to me while I was away. Sorry I was not here to respond. |
| 19:16.06 | ThePiratemaster | acceptable? |
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| 19:16.10 | cplx | default=Linux = Does that refer to the label or the image name in lilo.conf !? |
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| 19:16.15 | FallOnMe | laurens__: so, you have /tmp noexec and upgrades work? |
| 19:16.15 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Yeah, it's probably for jobs that doesn't matter when, just that, they get run. But to know exactly when a thing is to be run, I'd also give the full time myself. |
| 19:16.16 | SerajewelKS | ThePiratemaster, it's pretty much sarge right now |
| 19:16.21 | greycat | cplx: image=Linux |
| 19:16.23 | abrotman | somePriest: he can't answer you anymore |
| 19:16.25 | ThePiratemaster | ah ok |
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| 19:16.30 | greycat | cplx: if that's not right, see the dodcs. |
| 19:16.32 | greycat | docs, even |
| 19:16.36 | SerajewelKS | ThePiratemaster, a few updates i've seen go through but nothing major changed (at least not over here) |
| 19:16.37 | laurens__ | FallOnMe: no |
| 19:16.42 | laurens__ | im doing an install of debian stable |
| 19:16.42 | cplx | default=Linux |
| 19:16.47 | somePriest | abrotman, Oh. |
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| 19:16.48 | laurens__ | and i have set noexec |
| 19:16.48 | cplx | read my question. |
| 19:16.50 | cplx | default=Linux = Does that refer to the label or the image name in lilo.conf !? |
| 19:16.51 | laurens__ | in the partitioner |
| 19:16.56 | ThePiratemaster | can i get a netinstall AMD64 cd? |
| 19:16.58 | abrotman | somePriest: he got a +q .. if you wait .. it might get undone |
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| 19:17.01 | cplx | greycat: does the Linux refer to the image or the Label/ |
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| 19:17.11 | laurens__ | dpkg: tell ThePiratemaster about debian-installer |
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| 19:17.13 | greycat | 1-day *plonk* for not being able to understand my answer to the question. |
| 19:17.27 | greycat | someone else can spend hours trying to format it for your comprehension |
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| 19:17.33 | SerajewelKS | cplx, it refers to the label IIRC |
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| 19:17.38 | cplx | SerajewelKS: ta. |
| 19:17.44 | SerajewelKS | cplx, lilo or grub? |
| 19:17.48 | cplx | lilo. |
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| 19:17.55 | abrotman | !tell ThePiratemaster about amd64 |
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| 19:18.03 | SerajewelKS | cplx, it refers to the label |
| 19:18.08 | Hecate | watzda difference between Grub and Lilo? |
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| 19:18.19 | SerajewelKS | Hecate, which difference do you want |
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| 19:18.53 | Lorvija | How can i see if my soundcard is ready&working? (: I've installed alsa.. |
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| 19:19.02 | SerajewelKS | Lorvija, try to play something |
| 19:19.03 | Hecate | Wadda you mean? |
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| 19:19.10 | FallOnMe | laurens__: oh. maybe it'll break, maybe it won't. But when it's already installed, it breaks. I think we have to remount with exec to make upgrades. |
| 19:19.14 | SerajewelKS | Hecate, speed? size? configurability? |
| 19:19.16 | Lorvija | SerajewelKS yes tried that.. didnt work (: |
| 19:19.25 | ThePiratemaster | so no official debian-AMD64 yet huh? |
| 19:19.26 | SerajewelKS | Lorvija, use alsamixer and make sure things are turned up |
| 19:19.32 | Hecate | Well I don't know I just wanna know what makes Lilo 'better' |
| 19:19.34 | quitte | it seems slept was banned from here. but that must have been because of someone stealing his nick. |
| 19:19.39 | Lorvija | ahh alsamixer that was it (: thanks SerajewelKS |
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| 19:19.55 | lethias | need help setting up the correct graphics card and resolution on Debian 3.1 sarge. |
| 19:19.55 | greycat | quitte: or maybe he just got hit by the +J limit |
| 19:20.05 | greycat | (or then, maybe someone banned aol.com) |
| 19:20.11 | SerajewelKS | Hecate, it's easier to configure in general, grub lets you do some weird, obscure things that could be useful but generally aren't. lilo can also boot from a CD, where grub can't (at least not when i was using it) |
| 19:20.19 | SerajewelKS | Lorvija, np |
| 19:20.20 | quitte | greycat: ah yes. he has an aol ip |
| 19:20.23 | tempdir | hecate: actually grub is better |
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| 19:20.39 | streuner | !seen slept |
| 19:20.40 | dpkg | slept <N=sebi@ACB3D707.ipt.aol.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 23d 7h 33m 32s ago, saying: 'liable, tralala thanks I'll have a try'. |
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| 19:20.48 | FallOnMe | SerajewelKS: why would you want to boot from CD from lilo (and not from BIOS)? |
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| 19:20.57 | brick | grub is easier, you don't have to run it in order to reboot |
| 19:20.59 | tempdir | grub can actually read the disk |
| 19:21.04 | brick | and it can boot from PCI controllers |
| 19:21.08 | brick | grub is more powerful |
| 19:21.11 | SerajewelKS | FallOnMe, because you can password protect it, and it doesn't require changing a BIOS option |
| 19:21.18 | SerajewelKS | FallOnMe, select "CD", hit enter, put in password |
| 19:21.24 | SerajewelKS | !start a boot loader war |
| 19:21.25 | dpkg | msdos bootloader kicks some ass |
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| 19:21.47 | sin | is there a way to find out the size inodes a fs was created with or a tool to do so? |
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| 19:22.03 | trodrigues | lethias: xresprobe might help you |
| 19:22.09 | greycat | someone at ACB5A25E must've been *really* bad. |
| 19:22.15 | FallOnMe | SerajewelKS: the way I see it, if someone has physical access and can reboot, you're already screwed. |
| 19:22.16 | SerajewelKS | tempdir, grub has a shiny new interface with cool graphics, but it's a pain to configure IMHO |
| 19:22.31 | SerajewelKS | FallOnMe, unless you share your computer with idiots |
| 19:22.35 | parityflag | hi... |
| 19:22.38 | Lorvija | yeah works now (: thanks guys |
| 19:22.41 | SerajewelKS | FallOnMe, they might decide it'd be cool to boot some obscure CD |
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| 19:22.57 | SerajewelKS | FallOnMe, but might not know how to reset the BIOS password |
| 19:22.58 | parityflag | how do I tell "gs" to print only certain pages? |
| 19:23.19 | tempdir | yup, i have some grub issues too, but prefer it to lilo cause of it's flexability |
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| 19:23.49 | SerajewelKS | tempdir, yes, as i mentioned above: grub can do tons of cool stuff, but most of it is useless cool stuff |
| 19:23.54 | quitte | greycat: maybe that was one of his "friends" he lives with. |
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| 19:24.04 | Lorvija | What's the best music player around/most popular? (: |
| 19:24.08 | FallOnMe | SerajewelKS: oh. protecting the users from themselves. Like in a classroom. I've been out of those for too long. |
| 19:24.08 | tempdir | :-) |
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| 19:24.11 | SerajewelKS | !better |
| 19:24.12 | dpkg | somebody said better was a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 19:24.31 | SerajewelKS | FallOnMe, basically. also protecting my linux setup from people reinstalling windows. |
| 19:24.34 | tempdir | well.. useless or not, sometimes you just need 'cool' to sell it.. <g> |
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| 19:24.50 | SerajewelKS | tempdir, yeah, probaby why kubuntu uses grub =) |
| 19:25.12 | SerajewelKS | Lorvija, define "best", and see !better |
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| 19:25.28 | Lorvija | SerajewelKS okay, most popular or just popular? (: |
| 19:25.31 | tempdir | gesh.. i have an aversion to ?ubuntu... i dont have any idea why it's so popular (imho) |
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| 19:25.39 | SerajewelKS | Lorvija, i think most people use XMMS at this point |
| 19:25.43 | FallOnMe | Lorvija: xmms is probably most popular. |
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| 19:25.53 | Lorvija | sorry, i mean command line (: |
| 19:26.00 | SerajewelKS | Lorvija, mpg321 =P |
| 19:26.04 | Lee__ | tempdir: it's so popular because everyone's talking about how popular it is. |
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| 19:26.19 | Lorvija | SerajewelKS hah ;D |
| 19:26.23 | SerajewelKS | tempdir, kubuntu looks really polished... probably because they took the debian installer and put X.org and KDE 3.4 on there |
| 19:26.25 | dietmer | hi all |
| 19:26.34 | LabThug | I'm trying to setup a logrotate command for an application (postgresql 8.0). When the logrotate happens, the new log is created, etc. but nothing further is logged by postgresql. What am I doing wrong? |
| 19:26.37 | greycat | SerajewelKS: and because it's not GNOME! |
| 19:26.42 | SerajewelKS | greycat, that too |
| 19:26.54 | SerajewelKS | GNOME gives me the willies =/ |
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| 19:27.04 | tempdir | that has to be it... i got sent 14 copies and non of them had a ppp dialer except pon and then getting on the net was a total disaster.. nothing worked.. |
| 19:27.06 | greycat | !wanda |
| 19:27.06 | dpkg | well, wanda is what the GNOME panel fish is called |
| 19:27.12 | SerajewelKS | last i checked GNOME has no dualhead support |
| 19:27.13 | goccia | xorg and kde 3.4 runson sarge as well and i think even better |
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| 19:27.19 | greycat | but it has a fish! |
| 19:27.33 | SerajewelKS | goccia, but you need to install an unofficial backport, don't you? |
| 19:27.34 | goccia | no need to go "popular" |
| 19:27.40 | CappellaioMatto | hy everybody |
| 19:27.47 | goccia | SerajewelKS: i do not have any backports |
| 19:27.54 | stew | SerajewelKS: goccia doesn't run sarge |
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| 19:28.00 | toolbox | hey CappellaioMatto |
| 19:28.07 | SerajewelKS | stew, <goccia> xorg and kde 3.4 runson sarge as well and i think even better |
| 19:28.15 | FallOnMe | goccia: where did you find non-backported kde 3.4 for sarge then, pray tell? |
| 19:28.21 | greycat | oh god, now people are QUOTING /ignore'd users at me |
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| 19:28.35 | SerajewelKS | greycat, sounds like another +b coming |
| 19:28.37 | stew | SerajewelKS: we determined earlier that goccia is running sid. he's running, for instance, sid's libc6 |
| 19:28.39 | Lee__ | cause they love you so much |
| 19:28.41 | greycat | or at stew, but while I can see it. |
| 19:28.50 | goccia | stew: :) |
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| 19:29.18 | SerajewelKS | goccia, thanks for being ambiguous |
| 19:29.19 | goccia | stew: i never ever will admit it to avoid greycat spanking hand ;) |
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| 19:29.42 | SerajewelKS | goccia, or at least dodging my question =P |
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| 19:29.46 | ricky_clarkson | !sing the greycat song |
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| 19:30.08 | greycat | heh, I'd forgotten about that one |
| 19:30.25 | greycat | AcuraX: changing nicks doesn't mean you're not still root. |
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| 19:30.28 | curby | counterexample: man ntp =P |
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| 19:30.47 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 19:30.47 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> abrotman: My mum loves me when I've got surplus cash, like most women. |
| 19:30.51 | ricky_clarkson | Gah. |
| 19:30.51 | goccia | SerajewelKS: i use only official debs |
| 19:31.08 | SerajewelKS | goccia, but you use them on sid. which doesn't answer my question. |
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| 19:31.14 | goccia | SerajewelKS: a part kde3.4 which is not hahahah :) |
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| 19:31.47 | greycat | streuner: won't even be noticeable in the noise of the other spambots |
| 19:31.59 | streuner | greycat: true |
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| 19:32.16 | goccia | SerajewelKS: i'm runing sarge and kde3.4.1 and a 2.6.11 hkernel and firefox 1.0.6 and libc6 : just apt-get : that means no need to go for "popular" distro |
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| 19:32.34 | SerajewelKS | goccia, so you're mixing sarge and sid |
| 19:32.40 | tezra | anyone can tell me what makea a Debian CD a Debian CD? |
| 19:32.43 | stew | goccia: YOU ARE NOT RUNNING SARGE, stop saying that you are |
| 19:32.49 | amorphix | haha |
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| 19:32.56 | SerajewelKS | tezra, is that a serious question, or are you trolling? |
| 19:32.56 | greycat | stew: have an /ignore! they're purty! |
| 19:33.04 | goccia | stew: ok i'm not running sarge |
| 19:33.15 | solemnwarning | how can i force apt to use an ipv4 connection? |
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| 19:33.26 | duncf | n |
| 19:33.27 | tezra | SerajewelKS, serious, Ill explain |
| 19:33.30 | solemnwarning | nvm |
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| 19:34.03 | AcuraX | hi |
| 19:34.08 | tezra | SerajewelKS, I have a custom CD which directory tree and supposedly most files are like the debian sarge cd1 but the debian installer does not detect it as such |
| 19:34.10 | streuner | oh |
| 19:34.10 | AcuraX | can you help me with an error im having? |
| 19:34.13 | curby | AcuraX: it worked =) |
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| 19:34.29 | AcuraX | i see ;p |
| 19:34.32 | SerajewelKS | tezra, then it's not official debian |
| 19:34.43 | tezra | well, what makes it official debian? |
| 19:34.47 | AcuraX | dpkg-deb (subprocess): failed to exec tar: No such file or directory |
| 19:34.49 | SerajewelKS | !tell AcuraX about ask |
| 19:34.55 | FallOnMe | so let us repeat: an package of sid installed makes thy installation sid. Lo, and they understood that stable was a fragile and sacred thing, not to be tainted by the ill gotten unstable packages, and reinstalled. And there was great rejoicing. |
| 19:35.04 | tezra | I need to modify the original debian cd1 install or it wont ever work on my hardware |
| 19:35.12 | AcuraX | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/tar_1.14-2_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 19:35.15 | tezra | just the kernel and certain .udeb files |
| 19:35.20 | AcuraX | i cannot apt-get install tar |
| 19:35.31 | tezra | well certain, added .udeb files, the originals are still there |
| 19:35.40 | tezra | remade the Packages and Packages.gz files too |
| 19:36.38 | SerajewelKS | tezra, if you modify it from an official CD, then it's not completely official. if you know what you did then we'll probably help you with stuff that breaks, as long as the stuff that breaks isn't because of your modifications. |
| 19:36.40 | tezra | it is an official cd modified |
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| 19:37.03 | streuner | AcuraX: tar is essential... |
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| 19:37.17 | tezra | SerajewelKS, well, to find out what I broke.. thats why of my question.. what makes a Debian CD being a Debian CD, how is it identified by the debian installer? |
| 19:37.24 | streuner | AcuraX: why do you have tar not installed on your system? |
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| 19:37.32 | FallOnMe | AcuraX: does your PATH have /bin? ;-) |
| 19:37.37 | SerajewelKS | tezra, does it ask you if you want to continue with the cd, or just crap out and refuse to budge? |
| 19:37.40 | AcuraX | ? |
| 19:37.42 | greycat | tezra: ask #debian-boot |
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| 19:38.01 | tezra | SerajewelKS, it says it does not detect a debian cd |
| 19:38.14 | SerajewelKS | tezra, oh.. well then as #debian-boot ;) |
| 19:38.16 | AcuraX | how do i install a .deb package using dpkg? |
| 19:38.19 | greycat | man dpkg |
| 19:38.21 | tezra | all though all pool and dists directories are there |
| 19:38.23 | tezra | hehehe |
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| 19:38.28 | curby | AcuraX: what are the results of which tar and echo $PATH |
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| 19:38.43 | tezra | well, wth.. im tired already, will continue tomorrow, thank you guys |
| 19:38.58 | SerajewelKS | tezra, good luck with it |
| 19:39.14 | tezra | thanks , apreciate (and need it) |
| 19:39.15 | SerajewelKS | tezra, probably involves md5summing something and putting the sum in a file |
| 19:39.30 | tezra | SerajewelKS, umm.. you might be very right |
| 19:39.43 | tezra | Ill check into that tomorrow |
| 19:39.56 | tezra | its a power3 subarch from powerpc debian cd's |
| 19:39.57 | SerajewelKS | tezra, only way i can think that adding a file and changing another would screw d-i over |
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| 19:40.04 | tezra | they wont ever boot and work in my arch |
| 19:40.20 | tezra | yeap, you are right |
| 19:40.23 | tezra | but oh well |
| 19:40.26 | tezra | dinner waits |
| 19:40.31 | SerajewelKS | enjoy =) |
| 19:40.33 | tezra | good night , bye!! |
| 19:41.41 | AcuraX | tar is complately uninstalled |
| 19:41.44 | AcuraX | it's not my box |
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| 19:42.07 | streuner | AcuraX: ok, just say your 'friend' he should visit us then |
| 19:42.11 | FallOnMe | AcuraX: the best thing is to get the tar binary from another computer |
| 19:42.17 | SerajewelKS | !find /bin/tar |
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| 19:42.28 | Gathond | AcuraX: a debian machine without tar ... enjoy :) |
| 19:42.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/bin/tar' (6): (/usr/bin/tardy) in utils/tardy ;; (/usr/bin/tarcust) in devel/tarcust ;; (/usr/lib/mpich/bin/tarch) in devel/mpich-bin ;; (/usr/lib/gforge/bin/tarballs.sh) in devel/gforge-cvs ;; (/usr/lib/mpich-mpd/bin/tarch) in devel/mpich-mpd-bin ;; (/usr/lib/mpich-shmem/bin/tarch) in devel/mpich-shmem-bin. |
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| 19:42.37 | FallOnMe | SerajewelKS: it's in /bin |
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| 19:42.48 | SerajewelKS | FallOnMe, that's what i searched |
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| 19:42.56 | greycat | SerajewelKS: drop the leading / |
| 19:42.59 | FallOnMe | Reminds me of the time I deleted libc.so.6 ;-) |
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| 19:43.04 | SerajewelKS | !find bin/tar |
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| 19:43.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/tar' (8): (/bin/tar) in base/tar ;; (/bin/tartest) in utils/star ;; (/usr/bin/tardy) in utils/tardy ;; (/usr/bin/tarcust) in devel/tarcust ;; (/usr/lib/mpich/bin/tarch) in devel/mpich-bin ;; (/usr/lib/gforge/bin/tarballs.sh) in devel/gforge-cvs ;; (/usr/lib/mpich-mpd/bin/tarch) in devel/mpich-mpd-bin ;; (/usr/lib/mpich-shmem/bin/tarch) in devel/mpich-shmem-bin. |
| 19:43.15 | streuner | knusper:/# dpkg -S /bin/tar tar: /bin/tar |
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| 19:43.52 | SerajewelKS | i've been wanting to get into debian packaging to help out, but have been holding off because for the most part the guide assumes that you know all of the standard GNU build tools (autoconf and such), but i've never found a good tutorial on these |
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| 19:44.32 | Gathond | AcuraX: I think I have a statically linked tar binary lying around somewhere, but then again you really should not trust binary packages from random people on IRC |
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| 19:44.34 | SerajewelKS | can anyone recommend a good tutorial on these? including how to migrate an existing custom-makefile-based build to these tools? |
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| 19:45.25 | somePriest | Can anyone recommend a Debian IDE for C++? Something like Kdevelop for non-KDE users. |
| 19:45.37 | streuner | AcuraX: and say to your 'friend', if he are able to read he should pay attention what dpkg told him... |
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| 19:45.56 | antgel | somePriest: it's not in sarge, but you could try eclipse. note i haven't but i'm about to for java (puke) |
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| 19:46.17 | SerajewelKS | antgel, eclipse's C++ tools aren't very mature AFAIK |
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| 19:46.22 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: I use Eclipse, but just for Java. It's ok, a number of usability 'issues'. |
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| 19:46.47 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: http://rickyclarkson.blogspot.com/ |
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| 19:47.16 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: i mainly want it for debugging - use vim or emacs to code. is it worth the humungous download |
| 19:47.22 | Gathond | AcuraX: if you want/dare: http://gathond.dk/~gathond/mess/tar-static |
| 19:47.38 | SerajewelKS | antgel, eclipse makes vim very unattractive |
| 19:47.45 | lethias | need help changing the graphics card and setup of the screen resolution. |
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| 19:47.57 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: i'm reading the site. v similar situation |
| 19:48.07 | greycat | changing the graphics card usually requires a screwdriver and isn't really a #debian question |
| 19:48.14 | antgel | SerajewelKS: i don't care about attractive. i care about bloated and useledd |
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| 19:48.26 | lethias | very funny greycat |
| 19:48.31 | skate | lethias: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:48.31 | greycat | !drxx lethias |
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| 19:48.32 | dpkg | lethias: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:48.47 | antgel | SerajewelKS: about autoconf, i hate to say it and don't take it the wrong way but with a lot of these established tools the only way is to dive into the manual |
| 19:48.50 | pusling | greycat: argf. debian sucks. why isn't apt-get install new_graphics_card possible ? |
| 19:48.55 | SerajewelKS | antgel, eclipse is certainly bloated, but it's pretty usable in my experience. i don't use unit tests, so that problem doesn't apply to me. |
| 19:49.07 | greycat | pusling: they're non-free |
| 19:49.17 | lethias | greycat: I've done that and last time I did that, X never worked. |
| 19:49.21 | SerajewelKS | antgel, i work by example... manuals don't help a lot there |
| 19:49.29 | vipersniper | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:49.30 | vipersniper | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:49.30 | pusling | greycat: but I have non-free in my sources.list ;) |
| 19:49.34 | greycat | lethias: so don't screw it up this time |
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| 19:49.42 | vipersniper | how to fix that problem |
| 19:49.44 | flawd | Does Debian use devfs? |
| 19:49.46 | antgel | greycat: rms is working on one. in 1997 he bought a resistor. now gnu has got as far as soldering it to a capacitor. |
| 19:49.54 | greycat | heh |
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| 19:50.03 | SerajewelKS | vipersniper, what version of debian are you using |
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| 19:50.11 | antgel | actually he made his own resistor, what was i thinking? |
| 19:50.19 | ricky_clarkson | Free Hardware! |
| 19:50.24 | antgel | flawd: devd is deprecated |
| 19:50.31 | antgel | flawd: yo know what i meant |
| 19:50.47 | antgel | flawd: sorry about my typing. it is going downhill by the day |
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| 19:50.53 | pusling | a static /dev rocks! |
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| 19:50.58 | vipersniper | SerajewelKS: i was using sarge stable till i did apt-get dist-upgrade ;) |
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| 19:51.13 | SerajewelKS | vipersniper, that doesn't answer my question |
| 19:51.15 | antgel | vipersniper: good luck then ;) |
| 19:51.29 | SerajewelKS | vipersniper, what are you using NOW. i don't care what you used yesterday. |
| 19:51.36 | lethias | greycat: is there a way I can back up the configuration files so that in case I can't get X to work that I can just put the backups in place. |
| 19:51.44 | flawd | antgel, Thanks. My typings is worse than yours most likely so its ok |
| 19:51.46 | flawd | see |
| 19:51.47 | flawd | ;) |
| 19:51.55 | vipersniper | SerajewelKS: how do i get the version |
| 19:51.57 | SerajewelKS | lethias, tar -cf /root/x-backup.tar /etc/X11/ |
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| 19:52.01 | greycat | lethias: cp(1) |
| 19:52.05 | skate | lethias: cp -R /etc/X11 /etc/X11-old |
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| 19:52.13 | SerajewelKS | vipersniper, open /etc/apt/sources.list and paste in the first 'deb' line that's not commented out |
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| 19:52.30 | SerajewelKS | vipersniper, or do 'cat /etc/debian_version' |
| 19:52.32 | antgel | flawd: use udev. but if you have unstable watch out otherwise you'll end up like vipersniper |
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| 19:52.41 | skate | although i have no idea why you would backup something that isn't working |
| 19:52.50 | antgel | SerajewelKS: cat /etc/debian_version is useless |
| 19:53.03 | flawd | antgel, thanks for the warning! |
| 19:53.04 | greycat | antgel: it's a start. weeds out the gentoobies and fedorists. |
| 19:53.04 | FallOnMe | skate: it might not work in a known way. |
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| 19:53.25 | antgel | greycat: what about knoppcocks? |
| 19:53.26 | vipersniper | SerajewelKS: deb http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ unstable main |
| 19:53.33 | greycat | antgel: those require a more subtle approach |
| 19:53.36 | SerajewelKS | vipersniper, see that part 'unstable'? |
| 19:53.40 | antgel | :) |
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| 19:53.49 | SerajewelKS | vipersniper, wtf do you think 'unstable' means? |
| 19:53.55 | vipersniper | SerajewelKS: yeah |
| 19:54.10 | vipersniper | SerajewelKS: unstable ;) |
| 19:54.21 | SerajewelKS | vipersniper, precisely. when you switch to unstable you get what you pay for. |
| 19:54.25 | Zomb | vipersniper: what is funny about that? |
| 19:54.38 | antgel | Zomb: my sentiments exactly |
| 19:54.40 | FallOnMe | hmm. should I make a downgrade-to-sarge script and sell it on the channel? |
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| 19:55.01 | SerajewelKS | FallOnMe, sure. it's called 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda' and boot from the debian CD |
| 19:55.07 | goccia | selling scripts ? |
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| 19:55.20 | vipersniper | SerajewelKS: so there is no fix ;) |
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| 19:55.29 | SerajewelKS | vipersniper, yes there is. reinstall. |
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| 19:55.48 | SerajewelKS | and for the love of god, pick stable this time |
| 19:55.48 | antgel | !info udev unstable |
| 19:55.49 | FallOnMe | SerajewelKS: No, something involving dpkg --get-selections, apt-cache policy and sources.list munging. |
| 19:55.58 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.068-2 (sid), Packaged size: 302 kB, Installed size: 948 kB |
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| 19:56.09 | SerajewelKS | FallOnMe, that won't downgrade config scripts that require the sid versions of things |
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| 19:56.19 | SerajewelKS | s/scripts/files/ |
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| 19:56.43 | SerajewelKS | stable programs are not required to be able to read config files produces by unstable programs |
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| 19:56.51 | SerajewelKS | produced* |
| 19:56.55 | FallOnMe | SerajewelKS: It would mostly work. |
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| 19:57.00 | drasko | hi all. how to check if ez-ipupdate program is in my rc (does it start up on boot), and how to update rc ant put it there if is not? |
| 19:57.22 | SerajewelKS | FallOnMe, IMHO fixing the resultant errors would be a lot more painful than reinstalling |
| 19:57.22 | FallOnMe | SerajewelKS: yeah, I know. downgrades are not supported, etc, etc. |
| 19:57.37 | antgel | FallOnMe: how about a script like echo "Please insert d-i cd"; sleep 30 ; reboot |
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| 19:58.04 | skate | haha |
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| 19:58.15 | antgel | FallOnMe: upgrades aren't supported either (to testing or unstable) |
| 19:58.17 | SerajewelKS | drasko, find /etc/rc?.d -name ipupdate |
| 19:58.18 | FallOnMe | antgel: I have a better CD which autoformats and unpacks a .tar of the sarge install. It works. |
| 19:58.21 | SerajewelKS | drasko, find /etc/rc?.d -name \*ipupdate\* |
| 19:58.34 | FallOnMe | antgel: what do you mean, upgrades are not supposed to work? |
| 19:58.41 | antgel | FallOnMe: do you _ever_ do anything by the book? |
| 19:58.53 | g0rd0n | hello! i got a fresh debian 3.0 base system, dist-upgraded to 3.1... now i noticed i have a problem with my keymap (im connected to the shell via ssh). the backspace behaves like the del key, this is very annoying. how can i correct this? |
| 19:58.57 | goccia | antgel: ending with "that's very kind of you" at the end , i presume :) |
| 19:58.59 | antgel | FallOnMe: i didn't say not supposed to work. i said unsupported |
| 19:59.03 | greycat | g0rd0n: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 19:59.19 | greycat | g0rd0n: oh, wait... you're not using the Linux box as the terminal. |
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| 19:59.25 | greycat | g0rd0n: man stty, "stty erase ^h" |
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| 19:59.50 | greycat | either that, or you ARE using the linux box as a terminal, and your "shell" is somewhere other than debian. |
| 19:59.50 | g0rd0n | im using putty, but have no problems with another machines, so its not the putty i guess :P |
| 19:59.58 | antgel | g0rd0n: fix putty |
| 20:00.06 | SerajewelKS | antgel, why is stable->testing unsupported? woody->sarge is supported when sarge becomes stable... what's so different |
| 20:00.10 | greycat | either change putty's backspace key definition or use stty erase |
| 20:00.46 | antgel | SerajewelKS: the difference is obvious. |
| 20:00.55 | FallOnMe | SerajewelKS: testing is unsupported. therefore, an upgrade to testing is unsupported as well. |
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| 20:01.07 | greycat | it's less unsupported than sid is, though |
| 20:01.12 | antgel | true |
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| 20:01.26 | SerajewelKS | i've used testing since i installed debian and i've never had a question rejected because i use it |
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| 20:01.37 | FallOnMe | greycat: yeah, if it has 0 RC bugs, you could argue it works. ;-) |
| 20:01.57 | antgel | SerajewelKS: shouldn't have admitted that :P |
| 20:02.11 | SerajewelKS | antgel, i've admitted it several times |
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| 20:02.34 | antgel | one of the biggest fallacies is that testing is a better "bet" than unstable for an easy life |
| 20:02.34 | FallOnMe | antgel: it would be a stupid way if only stable questions were answered. |
| 20:02.35 | greycat | With sid, you expect things to be broken, and you are pleasantly surprised when they work. With testing, you expect most things to work, and you report the (hopefully) few bugs you encounter. With stable, if something's broken enough to really matter, you are shocked. |
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| 20:02.46 | hC|Xen | hi |
| 20:02.52 | drasko | SerajewelKS, find gives me /etc/rc0.d/K20ez-ipupdate, and similar for rc1,2, up to rc6. So I guess it is there. Anyway, just to ask, how would I put it there if it was not? update rc.d and then what? |
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| 20:02.58 | antgel | FallOnMe: they may be answered. still not supported. |
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| 20:03.09 | SerajewelKS | drasko, reboot =) |
| 20:03.12 | ricky_clarkson | Things don't change, do they.. |
| 20:03.16 | SerajewelKS | drasko, or run the initscript directly |
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| 20:03.21 | hC|Xen | have problems installing LAMP and typo3 on debian... can anybody help? |
| 20:03.23 | greycat | the only serious problem with testing is that if something *is* broken in testing, it can stay that way for a VERY long time. |
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| 20:03.35 | FallOnMe | antgel: oh ffs then Debian is not supported at all. Nobody guarantees any bug reports will be answered. |
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| 20:03.44 | antgel | FallOnMe: what's your problem? |
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| 20:03.45 | hC|Xen | my experience: suse, little with gentoo, new to debian |
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| 20:03.49 | ricky_clarkson | <Endy> Actually, I think I'll wait for potato to be finalised before installing debian. That should be soon, I'm hoping. :) |
| 20:03.52 | SerajewelKS | greycat, true. that's not happened to me yet so i'm optimistic about it =) |
| 20:03.56 | hC|Xen | i just tried with... |
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| 20:04.02 | ricky_clarkson | <knghtbrd> Endy: You obviously know very little about Debian. |
| 20:04.07 | FallOnMe | antgel: that definition of "supported" is not very useful. |
| 20:04.09 | antgel | hC|Xen: have you read the apt howto? |
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| 20:04.21 | hC|Xen | i tried with: http://typo3.sunsite.dk/software/debian/ |
| 20:04.22 | rutski89 | how long would it take to DL 3MB on 56k? |
| 20:04.23 | antgel | FallOnMe: it is to people doing the supporting |
| 20:04.26 | g0rd0n | hmm stty erase ^h doesnt fix the problem, but actually i just notice i dont have the backspace problem in the command line, but just in progs like nano, or the kernels menuconfig |
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| 20:04.32 | greycat | rutski89: invest in some primary education. |
| 20:04.34 | FallOnMe | antgel: what supporting? ;-) |
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| 20:04.39 | hC|Xen | @antgel, i don't think so... where can i faound it? |
| 20:04.40 | ricky_clarkson | That's in the fortune package, probably about 6 years ago, and you could have said nearly the same thing a few months ago. |
| 20:04.53 | goccia | FallOnMe: 15000 * 3 debs plus volatile and trillion repository are enough : no bad press :) |
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| 20:05.03 | antgel | hC|Xen: like all the other documentation that you will fly through if you've used linux before, www.debian.org/doc |
| 20:05.08 | rutski89 | greycat: hehe, I got a question about it wrong on a test, i my math got me to "about 7 hours" |
| 20:05.20 | antgel | hC|Xen: also, you need to tell us _exactly_ what the problem is |
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| 20:05.28 | alistair | its took me 5 hours to get here |
| 20:05.29 | hC|Xen | @antgel, ok thx i will try it |
| 20:05.34 | rutski89 | greycat: 3MB = (1024*1024)*8 bits |
| 20:05.38 | greycat | your math probably assumed that a 56k modem can download 56000 bits per second which ain't right. |
| 20:05.49 | rutski89 | argh!!! |
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| 20:06.00 | alistair | my display has scan lines and i GDM wont display properlaly, its all messed up, it happened for no reason last night, i have just reinstalled debian, what the heck can i do?! |
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| 20:06.03 | hC|Xen | ok, i try to explain |
| 20:06.04 | rutski89 | greycat: nono, i meesed up in that i thought i was on 1Kbps :-p |
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| 20:06.12 | greycat | a 56k modem will connect at "around 50k" most of the time if you're LUCKY, and then you have to transfer 10 bits per byte, not 8. |
| 20:06.20 | rutski89 | greycat: no, i got it now :) |
| 20:06.27 | hC|Xen | i found this tut and just tried it: http://typo3.sunsite.dk/software/debian/ |
| 20:06.31 | hC|Xen | after doing: |
| 20:06.38 | antgel | o_O |
| 20:06.44 | hC|Xen | this here: apt-get update && apt-get install typo3-base |
| 20:06.47 | FallOnMe | greycat: Isn't 10-bits-a-byte only between computer and the modem nowadays? |
| 20:06.48 | hC|Xen | i got this: |
| 20:06.50 | rutski89 | greycat: i get not 1024bits/sec but 1024*56bits per second |
| 20:06.57 | greycat | FallOnMe: assuming non-compressible data |
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| 20:07.05 | rutski89 | FallOnMe: hehe, yes, it is |
| 20:07.05 | wathek | hello all |
| 20:07.08 | ricky_clarkson | helix: G'day. |
| 20:07.13 | greycat | FallOnMe: if it's text, you'll get a lot better than 56k |
| 20:07.24 | helix | hi |
| 20:07.24 | hC|Xen | i got this... |
| 20:07.26 | hC|Xen | dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. |
| 20:07.26 | hC|Xen | dpkg: `start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH. |
| 20:07.26 | hC|Xen | dpkg: `install-info' not found on PATH. |
| 20:07.26 | hC|Xen | dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
| 20:07.26 | hC|Xen | dpkg: 4 expected program(s) not found on PATH. |
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| 20:07.42 | FallOnMe | rutski89: forget 56kbits. you'll have 40 kbps (5 kBps) effectively if you're lucky. |
| 20:07.47 | hC|Xen | here again |
| 20:07.54 | greycat | so fix your damned PATH. |
| 20:07.56 | alistair | my display has scan lines and i GDM wont display properlaly, its all messed up, it happened for no reason last night, i have just reinstalled debian, what the heck can i do?? I cant change TTY because of display problems, i get "DISPLAY$ not set" in one, but i've tried dpkg-reconfigure but thats not worked either, what the hell can i do, i even get the scan lines on the PC Logo at the start before it launces grub/debian |
| 20:07.57 | hC|Xen | how cna i post some lines without flooding |
| 20:08.01 | greycat | you CAN'T. |
| 20:08.06 | CountZ | how do I remount a filesystem that was mounted read only due to errors, after I fix it? |
| 20:08.08 | greycat | posting some lines is what flooding MEANS. |
| 20:08.11 | hC|Xen | ok, i do line by line |
| 20:08.13 | greycat | NO! |
| 20:08.15 | antgel | alistair: if it happens at the start, it's hardware |
| 20:08.17 | greycat | FIX YOUR FUCKING PATH! |
| 20:08.20 | FallOnMe | greycat: I know, I download news at 10-12kBps, better than ISDN. ;-) |
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| 20:08.23 | alistair | antgel, what the hell can i do |
| 20:08.28 | antgel | alistair: replace it |
| 20:08.29 | J_P | hi all |
| 20:08.39 | hC|Xen | after... apt-get update && apt-get install typo3-base |
| 20:08.41 | alistair | antgel, its a laptop,, it happened for no reason! what can i do |
| 20:08.47 | hC|Xen | a few lines came and at the end |
| 20:08.51 | greycat | hC|Xen: WE FUCKING SAW IT! |
| 20:08.52 | antgel | hC|Xen: are you doing this as root? |
| 20:08.54 | hC|Xen | dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. |
| 20:08.56 | greycat | hC|Xen: FIX THE FUCKING PATH! |
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| 20:08.59 | FallOnMe | CountZ: mount -o remount,rw /mount/point |
| 20:09.01 | hC|Xen | dpkg: `start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH. |
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| 20:09.20 | J_P | people, anyone here use motherboard Intel D915* with sarge ? |
| 20:09.21 | greycat | Oh. My. Fucking. GOD. These people are retarded. |
| 20:09.22 | antgel | alistair: get it repaired |
| 20:09.23 | ricky_clarkson | qotd it. |
| 20:09.33 | alistair | antgel, whats wrong with it? |
| 20:09.37 | antgel | !tell J_P about anyone |
| 20:09.41 | antgel | alistair: it's broken |
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| 20:09.44 | alistair | i've spent like 200 on hardware and this happens |
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| 20:09.55 | orchid | greycat: maybe he has you on /ignore |
| 20:09.58 | alistair | Why would it happen for no reaso =] |
| 20:10.15 | orchid | he seemed not to notice anything you said |
| 20:10.17 | greycat | orchid: he seemed to respond to "you can't" |
| 20:10.23 | antgel | alistair: just one of life's little things |
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| 20:10.24 | orchid | hm |
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| 20:10.33 | alistair | antgel , little things? grr.. |
| 20:10.43 | SX|Marc | Would someone care to help me |
| 20:10.45 | alistair | Anyway i can solve it with a screwdrive? =D |
| 20:10.49 | FallOnMe | dpkg, tell me about cheese |
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| 20:10.50 | ricky_clarkson | orchid: He definitely responded. |
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| 20:10.59 | antgel | orchid: he didn't notice anything because he had verbal diraheoaa (i'm not even going to attempt to spell that one) |
| 20:11.08 | antgel | !topicsmite SX|Marc |
| 20:11.09 | ricky_clarkson | diarrhoea? |
| 20:11.09 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon SX|Marc. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 20:11.15 | alistair | man, antgel, im going to punch it :] |
| 20:11.16 | alistair | laters |
| 20:11.16 | greycat | I think that's one of those words that brits spell differently from normal people. |
| 20:11.17 | ricky_clarkson | !dict diarrhoea |
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| 20:11.19 | dpkg | could not find definition for diarrhoea |
| 20:11.19 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: show off |
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| 20:11.23 | greycat | @dict diarrhea |
| 20:11.24 | SX|Marc | lol |
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| 20:11.26 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'diarrhea' (1 of 3): BM, abscess, ague, anemia, ankylosis, anoxia, apnea, asphyxiation, asthma, ataxia, atrophy, backache, bleeding, blennorhea, bloody flux, bowel movement, cachexia, cachexy, cardialgia, catharsis, chill, chills, cholera morbus, colic, constipation, convulsion, costiveness, coughing, crap, cyanosis, defecation, dejection, ... |
| 20:11.29 | greycat | That's the US spelling. |
| 20:11.33 | Ronin | damn gas went up again from last night, good thing we only have one car |
| 20:11.33 | CountZ | FallOnMe: thanks |
| 20:11.34 | ricky_clarkson | Ugh. |
| 20:11.37 | antgel | greycat: i take offence and challenge you to a duel |
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| 20:11.51 | greycat | antgel: I'll be sure to wear my armor. |
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| 20:12.10 | antgel | greycat: you mean armour? |
| 20:12.11 | ricky_clarkson | Yes, I had the right UK spelling.. |
| 20:12.49 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Britain. Putting the 'U' in humour and the 'ugh in donuts. |
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| 20:12.56 | cosmicassassin | more of a question about linux, I want to copy a hard drive to another one, exact same model and size. Is dd the best way to go? And is it better to put both hard drives in a third computer before doing the dd? |
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| 20:13.14 | SX|Marc | Well i accidently removed TAR from my box, now apt-get wont work as it uses it to extract the .deb files, ive tried installing tar from source, but i get a yacc error |
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| 20:13.19 | greycat | That question is certainly a FAQ. |
| 20:13.23 | greycat | how come we've never put it into our FAQ yet? |
| 20:13.33 | FallOnMe | ricky_clarkson: how would you make doughnuts without the dough? |
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| 20:13.42 | ricky_clarkson | FallOnMe: 'ugh', not 'dough'. |
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| 20:13.53 | ricky_clarkson | Americans spell doughnuts as donuts. |
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| 20:14.01 | zinx | i spell it doughnuts |
| 20:14.05 | greycat | SX|Marc: yacc == bison on Debian |
| 20:14.05 | asuffield | greycat: "don't uninstall essential packages"? the best part is that dpkg really doesn't use tar, so he's a crack addict |
| 20:14.10 | zinx | because i think people are absolutely silly |
| 20:14.14 | FallOnMe | ricky_clarkson: I'll do ugh if I want to. |
| 20:14.16 | greycat | asuffield: no, the copying disks to other disks one. |
| 20:14.23 | asuffield | oh, that one |
| 20:14.24 | antgel | jokes that need explaining are always the best :P |
| 20:14.24 | SX|Marc | greycat what can i do about it =/ |
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| 20:14.44 | antgel | how many people are going to remove tar from their boxes tonight? |
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| 20:14.50 | asuffield | well, no, dd is the worst way to do it. mount the filesystems and use cp -ax |
| 20:14.51 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: 356.2 |
| 20:14.51 | SX|Marc | lol |
| 20:14.54 | greycat | SX|Marc: boot from a rescue disk or sarge install disk, mount, copy a new tar in place |
| 20:15.03 | SX|Marc | hmm |
| 20:15.09 | FallOnMe | antgel: I just tried that to see what really happens ;-) |
| 20:15.10 | SX|Marc | so i cant install from a source? |
| 20:15.19 | FallOnMe | dpkg-deb (subprocess): failed to exec tar: No such file or directory |
| 20:15.19 | FallOnMe | dpkg-deb: subprocess tar returned error exit status 2 |
| 20:15.33 | Mage__ | is it possible to switch from unstable to testing ? |
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| 20:15.38 | resiak | greycat: OOI, any reason you set +b not +q these days? |
| 20:15.39 | resiak | Mage__: No. |
| 20:15.43 | resiak | !tell Mage__ -about downgrade |
| 20:15.43 | antgel | Mage__: not on your nelly |
| 20:15.47 | greycat | resiak: depends on the offense. |
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| 20:15.58 | snow_ | hey |
| 20:16.08 | greycat | resiak: or did you mean "how come your +q's are showing up as +b % instead of +q"? That's a freenode code change. |
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| 20:16.09 | SX|Marc | FallOnMe i get the same error |
| 20:16.11 | EagleCros | what is +q? :-? |
| 20:16.11 | g0rd0n | do i need to reboot after a dpkg-reconfigure console-data? |
| 20:16.12 | asuffield | (using dd to copy filesystems means you spend a long time copying a great deal of empty space) |
| 20:16.21 | ricky_clarkson | EagleCros: QUIET! |
| 20:16.25 | EagleCros | :S |
| 20:16.26 | greycat | resiak: they've always been "+b %" internally. It's just the one-time report you're seeing that's different now. |
| 20:16.29 | g0rd0n | i had "dont touch keymap", now i set one but nothing apparently changed... even logged out/in |
| 20:16.36 | resiak | greycat: Oh, I see. Fair enough. |
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| 20:16.49 | Mage__ | ok :p |
| 20:16.57 | greycat | g0rd0n: console-data has nothing to do with PUTTY's key bindings. |
| 20:17.03 | greycat | g0rd0n: it only affects the linux console |
| 20:17.12 | asuffield | actually the % was never stored internally, which is the original reason it was never stored like that. +q was the raw form, and +b % was a compatibility transform for brainless clients |
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| 20:17.26 | snow_ | when installing debian on a computer with SCSI on the motherboard, using an IDE CDROM, 80pin SCSI drive, is there anything special involved with getting debian to see the drive and use it? |
| 20:17.32 | greycat | asuffield: I am continually amazed at the brokenness of the internet. |
| 20:17.34 | g0rd0n | greycat: but my putty key bindings work just fine with all other debian 3.1 servers i have, i dont get it |
| 20:17.37 | FallOnMe | SX|Marc: really? Get yourself a tar binary from another machine, put it in /bin, and reinstall tar. |
| 20:17.39 | antgel | !tell snow_ about install guide |
| 20:17.45 | asuffield | greycat: IRC is a stellar example of the internet's most broken parts |
| 20:17.50 | SX|Marc | FallOnMe where can i get one from |
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| 20:17.55 | snow_ | hmm, i checked the installation guide on debian's site |
| 20:17.57 | greycat | g0rd0n: then it's your .bashrc or something. I don't know what you did differently on this one box. |
| 20:17.59 | snow_ | yours any better :) |
| 20:18.00 | FallOnMe | SX|Marc: another Linux box. |
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| 20:18.13 | SX|Marc | dont have one, or no one |
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| 20:18.16 | SX|Marc | know* |
| 20:18.20 | greycat | asuffield: it ranks up there with FTP... not *nearly* as bad, though. |
| 20:18.24 | FallOnMe | SX|Marc: I could DCC you mine, but it's from unstable. |
| 20:18.26 | g0rd0n | greycat: if i would know what i did differently i would have fixed it hehe, ill check that file |
| 20:18.31 | antgel | snow_: good work. if the install kernel supports your scsi adapter, you're in luck. |
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| 20:18.33 | SX|Marc | hmm |
| 20:18.43 | SX|Marc | FallOnMe please dcc me it |
| 20:18.53 | SX|Marc | then i can use that to upgrade |
| 20:18.55 | greycat | g0rd0n: connect to one that works and type "stty -a", then press Ctrl-V and then backspace and see what key is being received by the terminal driver. |
| 20:19.00 | greycat | g0rd0n: then repeat that on the new one. |
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| 20:19.02 | antgel | SX|Marc: you can use it to get r00ted |
| 20:19.05 | ricky_clarkson | SX|Marc: Don't be stupid. |
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| 20:19.22 | SX|Marc | lol |
| 20:19.23 | ricky_clarkson | SX|Marc: There is a reason why Debian packages are signed, FFS. |
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| 20:19.38 | SX|Marc | I do not have tar on my machine |
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| 20:19.48 | skate | dude, you're like a broken record. |
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| 20:19.50 | FallOnMe | SX|Marc: before you run it, check if it has the correct checksum like the one in the tar 1.15.1-2 package |
| 20:19.51 | greycat | SX|Marc: so extract it from a .deb on one of your other machines. |
| 20:19.55 | ricky_clarkson | SX|Marc: Some people in the world do nasty things. You might have seen them. They sometimes have guns and badges. |
| 20:19.55 | FallOnMe | SX|Marc: DON'T trust me. |
| 20:19.56 | greycat | SX|Marc: e.g. the one you're IRCing from. |
| 20:20.05 | g0rd0n | greycat: i get the same on both servers, ^? |
| 20:20.05 | antgel | if you're thick enough to delete tar, you're thick enough to accept a dcc binary of same. |
| 20:20.14 | greycat | g0rd0n: is stty -a's output the same too? |
| 20:20.22 | ricky_clarkson | SX|Marc: Find a Windows machine, WinZIP will probably be useful for this. |
| 20:20.29 | FallOnMe | greycat: the poor sod has no other machines |
| 20:20.31 | greycat | g0rd0n: in particular, the "erase" field |
| 20:20.39 | SX|Marc | can i extract .deb files on windows? |
| 20:20.42 | greycat | FallOnMe: surely you jest! |
| 20:20.50 | greycat | SX|Marc: if you have cygwin, sure. |
| 20:20.54 | ricky_clarkson | SX|Marc: I can. I don't know whether *you* can. |
| 20:20.59 | greycat | cygwin should definitely have ar, tar and gzip |
| 20:21.13 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Cygwin even has a dpkg port, iirc. |
| 20:21.22 | FallOnMe | where can I find a md5sum of a file in an arbitrary package? |
| 20:21.28 | SX|Marc | ok |
| 20:21.29 | antgel | cygwin has fucking wmaker. i know, i'm using it now |
| 20:21.33 | greycat | FallOnMe: /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums |
| 20:21.39 | g0rd0n | greycat: yes its the same, the only thing that differs is this speed 57600 baud; rows 0; columns 0; line = 0; and speed 38400 baud; rows 24; columns 80; line = 0; |
| 20:21.43 | FallOnMe | greycat: if not installed. |
| 20:21.48 | greycat | g0rd0n: what does "erase" say? |
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| 20:22.00 | g0rd0n | greycat: erase = ^?; on both machines |
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| 20:22.04 | ricky_clarkson | I did have a strange issue with RedHat once. I needed rpm but I didn't have rpm, and it took ages to find RPM not inside an rpm. |
| 20:22.10 | greycat | g0rd0n: then... what's *not* working? |
| 20:22.14 | goccia | this tar is needed on a win machine ? |
| 20:22.23 | FallOnMe | greycat: somewhere on web. Like I was a guy who just got something called "/bin/tar" from an unknown person via DCC |
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| 20:22.41 | greycat | FallOnMe: you should fucking HAVE the tar package's md5sums file still. |
| 20:22.46 | FallOnMe | ricky_clarkson: rpms are just cpio files |
| 20:22.56 | FallOnMe | greycat: hell yes. |
| 20:23.04 | ricky_clarkson | FallOnMe: Thanks. Now go back in time 5 years and tell me that. |
| 20:23.04 | greycat | FallOnMe: you couldn't have deleted THE WHOLE PACKAGE. Not without typing something like "Yes, I know what I am doing and how stupid I am" |
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| 20:23.30 | g0rd0n | greycat: for example, in nano backspace behaves like del, in make menuconfig backspace is del and the left arrow in fields doesnt work |
| 20:23.46 | x64 | when i run "apt-get update" i get this.. can anyone help please? |
| 20:23.47 | x64 | wagnerh Couldn't stat source package list http://packages.debian.org stable/source/ncurses/stable Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/packages.debian.org_dists_stable_source_ncurses_stable_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 20:24.02 | ricky_clarkson | FallOnMe: I think you should run the version of tar that someone gives you. In fact, why not give them your root password? They'll probably maintain your machine better than you. |
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| 20:24.09 | x64 | umm ignote the wagnerh thing :p |
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| 20:24.12 | asuffield | actually, rpms aren't just cpio files |
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| 20:24.21 | greycat | g0rd0n: that symptom seems to be inconsistent with the data you just gave us. I have no explanation unless you're doing something you haven't told us about (like "screen -x" into a session started from a different terminal) |
| 20:24.21 | FallOnMe | ricky_clarkson: unfortunately, debs are tars in ars, so you have to have tar to unpack the tar binary from the tar package. |
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| 20:24.39 | resiak | So build a tar. |
| 20:24.41 | greycat | gzipped tars in ars |
| 20:24.44 | asuffield | an rpm is a cpio file with all the owner and group fields set to root:root, and then a list of correct owners tacked on the end |
| 20:24.45 | g0rd0n | greycat: nope, its a direct ssh connect |
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| 20:24.48 | ricky_clarkson | What a load of ars. |
| 20:24.49 | asuffield | yes, this is as crazy as it sounds |
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| 20:25.08 | FallOnMe | ricky_clarkson: No WAY I'd admin someone's machine without getting paid. ;-) |
| 20:25.18 | asuffield | you have to toss it through rpm2cpio before cpio will accept it |
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| 20:26.13 | FallOnMe | umm. maybe midnight commander has tar built in. |
| 20:26.18 | travisat | FallOnMe: well if they don't know you are admining it |
| 20:26.31 | asuffield | dpkg has tar built in |
| 20:26.35 | asuffield | why bother with mc? |
| 20:26.42 | FallOnMe | asuffield: does not. |
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| 20:26.47 | greycat | asuffield: I'm sure it calls /bin/tar |
| 20:26.48 | asuffield | FallOnMe: does to |
| 20:26.54 | FallOnMe | asuffield: DOES NOT |
| 20:26.56 | curby | depends on doesn't mean has built in hehe |
| 20:27.06 | antgel | !qotd148 |
| 20:27.07 | dpkg | i heard qotd148 is < ricky_clarkson> FallOnMe: I think you should run the version of tar that someone gives you. In fact, why not give them your root password? They'll probably maintain your machine better than you. |
| 20:27.11 | FallOnMe | asuffield: or at least it does not use the builtin one. |
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| 20:27.17 | asuffield | extern int |
| 20:27.18 | asuffield | TarExtractor( |
| 20:27.18 | asuffield | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.18 | asuffield | ,const TarFunctions * functions) |
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| 20:27.30 | greycat | antgel: needs a bit of context. |
| 20:27.34 | asuffield | this monstrosity contains a small, brainless tar unpacker |
| 20:27.42 | resiak | SX|Marc: You're not going to accept my dcc ? |
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| 20:27.49 | SX|Marc | i did, but dont worry |
| 20:27.50 | SX|Marc | i fixed it |
| 20:27.50 | greycat | antgel: why 148? 147 is not used yet. |
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| 20:27.59 | resiak | Yay! |
| 20:27.59 | SX|Marc | resiak thanks anyway |
| 20:28.02 | FallOnMe | asuffield: what's it used for then? My dpkg can't install a package if there's no /bin/tar on the system. |
| 20:28.06 | Gathond | asuffield: then why does it break if you remove tar, they have it but never use it? |
| 20:28.08 | greycat | 144, 145, 146, 147 are unused AFAIK |
| 20:28.18 | resiak | SX|Marc: You would have run int main() { printf("r00ted!\n"); } ? |
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| 20:28.20 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Cheers. |
| 20:28.23 | dreamie | hello |
| 20:28.29 | BenC | the built-in tar is only used for parsing |
| 20:28.35 | SX|Marc | lol |
| 20:28.38 | dreamie | how do i stop the screensaver? |
| 20:28.38 | BenC | it doesn't actually use it to extract |
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| 20:28.45 | dreamie | is that a laptop thing or a OS thing? |
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| 20:28.48 | FallOnMe | dpkg --extract /var/cache/apt/archives/tar_1.15.1-2_i386.deb foo kanta |
| 20:28.48 | FallOnMe | dpkg-deb (subprocess): failed to exec tar: No such file or directory |
| 20:28.54 | ricky_clarkson | dreamie: Console or X? |
| 20:29.02 | dreamie | ricky_clarkson , console |
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| 20:29.15 | greycat | maybe it can't extract gzipped tars? |
| 20:29.16 | Gathond | FallOnMe: just get a tar from somewhere, or better compile one |
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| 20:29.49 | FallOnMe | greycat: well it's useless then, isn't it? |
| 20:29.52 | EagleCros | Gathond: funny is, gnu tar comes in a tared package |
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| 20:29.54 | abrotman | FallOnMe: so install tar |
| 20:30.04 | abrotman | EagleCros: and you have to compile gcc ... |
| 20:30.16 | SX|Marc | yeh EagleCros |
| 20:30.17 | SX|Marc | lol |
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| 20:30.21 | Gathond | EagleCros: I know, but someone somewhere probably have an archive in something else :) |
| 20:30.26 | greycat | EagleCros: it also comes in a shar |
| 20:30.28 | FallOnMe | abrotman: catch 22: can't reinstall tar if no /bin/tar on the system. |
| 20:30.35 | EagleCros | abrotman: true |
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| 20:30.49 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.52 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.55 | dreamie | ricky_clarkson ? |
| 20:31.00 | dreamie | ricky_clarkson you never responded |
| 20:31.00 | EagleCros | k, excuse my ignorance, what is shar? |
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| 20:31.05 | abrotman | FallOnMe: you can't copy tar from a workign system? |
| 20:31.05 | ricky_clarkson | dreamie: That's right. |
| 20:31.07 | greycat | EagleCros: a shell script |
| 20:31.08 | Gathond | FallOnMe: not through the package system no |
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| 20:31.09 | abrotman | who the hell deletes tar anyways? |
| 20:31.13 | EagleCros | o |
| 20:31.21 | greycat | EagleCros: you run the script and it creates the files. "Self extracting archive" |
| 20:31.22 | Gathond | abrotman: there is always one :) |
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| 20:31.24 | EagleCros | well, then we found a solution for FallOnMe |
| 20:31.26 | dreamie | ricky_clarkson but you asked me |
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| 20:31.33 | greycat | or "shell archive" |
| 20:31.39 | FallOnMe | abrotman: I can. This is not my problem, but of two users here. I only reproduced it. |
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| 20:31.51 | greycat | EagleCros: we found SEVERAL solutions for him. |
| 20:31.52 | dreamie | does anyone know how to stop the screensaver? |
| 20:31.53 | FallOnMe | shar's rule. |
| 20:31.58 | EagleCros | lol |
| 20:32.00 | FallOnMe | s/'// |
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| 20:32.08 | greycat | EagleCros: too bad he's dumb enough that he removed /bin/tar and therefore is rather dumber than the solutions require. |
| 20:32.22 | curby | thanks, FallOnMe . pet peeve of mine =P |
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| 20:32.42 | FallOnMe | greycat: no, actually, my solution is "mv /bin/tar.old /bin/tar". But the shar archive would work. |
| 20:32.44 | ioerror | What's the best channel to join for help creating debian packages? |
| 20:32.55 | ChrisH | ioerror: #debian-mentors |
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| 20:33.16 | Gathond | FallOnMe: provided one has enough stuff installed to compile tar |
| 20:33.26 | ioerror | thanks ChrisH |
| 20:33.32 | EagleCros | euh? you have a copy of the tar binary? |
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| 20:33.42 | greycat | EagleCros: was he trolling us all along? |
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| 20:34.03 | Gathond | EagleCros: I think FallOnMe just tried because someone else was in here actually having done it |
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| 20:34.11 | EagleCros | greycat: I... really don't know |
| 20:34.15 | Gathond | cant remember who though |
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| 20:34.32 | greycat | one of the [A-Za-z][A-Za-z]|* nicks |
| 20:34.39 | greycat | there were a few. all of them were morons. |
| 20:34.40 | Gathond | <SX|Marc> was it, and someone before that as well |
| 20:34.42 | resiak | SX|Marc, it was. |
| 20:34.44 | FallOnMe | greycat: oh ffs. There were two clueless users today on the channel who claim to have really deleted their tar binaries. I was just interested in how to fix the problem. |
| 20:34.54 | SX|Marc | ? |
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| 20:34.59 | action09 | hi |
| 20:35.04 | SX|Marc | hi |
| 20:35.09 | Gathond | FallOnMe: always have a statically compiled tar somewhere :) |
| 20:35.10 | EagleCros | it was SX|Marc, yes, but I didn't read some lines and thought it was just a nick change |
| 20:35.13 | antgel | how to put newline in factoid? \n? |
| 20:35.15 | greycat | FallOnMe: boot CD into a shell, mount, copy tar to the target |
| 20:35.22 | resiak | antgel: You don't. |
| 20:35.27 | greycat | assuming the boot CD has tar on it, which is likely. |
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| 20:35.45 | FallOnMe | Gathond: I have sash installed, has tons of stuff built in. |
| 20:35.51 | snow_ | well, i couldn't find much in the install guide or the SCSI howto for what i wanted, so I guess I'll just have spit into the wind and learn by doing, God Forbid |
| 20:35.52 | snow_ | :) |
| 20:35.58 | antgel | resiak: wanted to give ricky_clarkson's qotd some context, how can i do that without newlines? |
| 20:36.15 | greycat | antgel: I use two spaces between each IRC line |
| 20:36.21 | resiak | antgel: <foo> badger <bar> mushroom |
| 20:36.25 | Shadowcat | is there a something in debian that will autodetect hardware and load the proper modules for you? |
| 20:36.26 | greycat | antgel: and I use <nick> even though my client shows nick> |
| 20:36.33 | yacyac | does anyone have a link to download amd64 debian |
| 20:36.35 | Gathond | EagleCros: might have been a nick change :) |
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| 20:36.38 | greycat | yacyac: /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 20:37.00 | EagleCros | Gathond: well, unless SX|Marc and FallOnMe are clones... |
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| 20:37.08 | SX|Marc | lol |
| 20:37.08 | FallOnMe | SX|Marc: so did you fix your tar problem |
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| 20:37.11 | SX|Marc | Yep |
| 20:37.15 | EagleCros | which would support greycat's trolling theory... |
| 20:37.23 | action09 | installing udev need to give some special arguments to lilo/kernel ? and is a "none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0" correct in my /etc/fstab ? please :) |
| 20:37.29 | yacyac | thanx |
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| 20:37.48 | Gathond | EagleCros: no, there were one before SX| :) |
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| 20:37.57 | FallOnMe | SX|Marc: I'd run debsums just to be sure if there's something else missing or broken. |
| 20:38.04 | trodrigues | can i save alsa volume settings without using "alsactl store"? |
| 20:38.11 | antgel | it's qotd144 but is now too long. i give up |
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| 20:38.24 | antgel | too long to be readable, that is. bot accepted it |
| 20:38.29 | Shadowcat | what's wrong with tar? |
| 20:38.33 | curby | EagleCros: oh, should i do that too? |
| 20:38.35 | EagleCros | they are hiding behind the door!! |
| 20:38.40 | FallOnMe | "goccia" waas the nick of the other one I saw |
| 20:38.42 | Gathond | Shadowcat: nothing |
| 20:38.50 | curby | (kidding) |
| 20:39.04 | EagleCros | curby: yes, fun is ensured for... about half an hour |
| 20:39.40 | tchino | i have the problem, that by exim the login and password iswrong, but fetchmail get the emails right, what are the wrong settings |
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| 20:39.56 | antgel | brilliant! it's brilliant! |
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| 20:40.23 | greycat | tchino: exim does not accept passwords unless you've got SMTP AUTH going on somehow |
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| 20:40.52 | unreal | is there an openwebmail package available? |
| 20:41.01 | antgel | !tell unreal about search |
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| 20:41.29 | black_Nightmare | hey there :) |
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| 20:42.09 | unreal | lol, I suppose that's a no then |
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| 20:42.20 | black_Nightmare | whats going on anyhow? :p |
| 20:42.22 | FallOnMe | unreal: there was at one time, but none exists in archive now. |
| 20:42.23 | tchino | greycat: i don't have set passwords, one other question: how can I set free locked messages, that i had to try send with not functioned exim |
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| 20:42.36 | unreal | FallOnMe: k, ty :) |
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| 20:42.45 | greycat | note to self: STOP responding to them if they can't speak coherently. |
| 20:43.01 | black_Nightmare | greycat..I know the feeling |
| 20:43.04 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: If you had made a typo in that it would be qotd'd. |
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| 20:43.32 | antgel | i thought tchino's question was worthy, just for the last five words |
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| 20:43.59 | tchino | graycat: exim says: Spool file is locked (another process is handling this message) |
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| 20:44.11 | greycat | damn, good thing I don't run exim. |
| 20:44.13 | antgel | tchino: incredibly, i understand what you want. you empty the mail queue with exim4 -qfl |
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| 20:44.53 | isaac | hi |
| 20:44.55 | jan____ | Hi, is it already 'safe' to update my glibc when i have a grsec kernel? |
| 20:45.03 | black_Nightmare | just wondering about it but any of you know if there's more than distrowatch.com and linuxiso.org to figure what distro there are for a particular platform? |
| 20:45.06 | FallOnMe | jan____: NO |
| 20:45.09 | antgel | am i ok to /unignore joins and parts or is it still spambot city? |
| 20:45.20 | jan____ | FallOnMe: thanks, and will it ever be fixed? ;-) |
| 20:45.22 | antgel | black_Nightmare: google |
| 20:45.22 | greycat | antgel: it's not as bad as it was over the weekend |
| 20:45.23 | tchino | antgel: but can you give me some help in configurating exim4 |
| 20:45.27 | FallOnMe | jan____: -4 is not safe yet. |
| 20:45.32 | curby | black_Nightmare: wikipedia |
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| 20:45.34 | jan____ | ok, thanks |
| 20:45.41 | greycat | antgel: still a few spambots, but tolerable |
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| 20:45.42 | antgel | tchino: have you read the manual? |
| 20:45.54 | jan____ | FallOnMe: most things are broken on my system now, very annoying |
| 20:45.59 | streuner | antgel: forget /mode nick +E till those spambots identified themself ;-) |
| 20:46.10 | tchino | antgel: yes i read it, i come not far with: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 20:46.24 | lisa_ | hello |
| 20:46.25 | FallOnMe | jan____: I very much know, and have chpax -s -ed some 20-ish binaries. |
| 20:46.32 | atom-z | greycat quit... I thought he never left here |
| 20:46.33 | black_Nightmare | curby...where on wiki? |
| 20:46.51 | antgel | tchino: if you read the manual, what's the problem? i can't believe you read it. i can speak english but i can't read it. |
| 20:46.51 | streuner | antgel: do you running nospambot.pl? |
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| 20:47.00 | antgel | streuner: nopes |
| 20:47.01 | curby | black_Nightmare: there's a matrix of linux distros comparing things like supported architectures |
| 20:47.09 | streuner | dpkg, nospambots |
| 20:47.09 | dpkg | somebody said nospambot was http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds |
| 20:47.18 | antgel | !tell lisa_ about ask |
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| 20:47.23 | lisa_ | I just installed Debian 3.1 Sarge on my other computer. But when I chose to load kppp, it wont load, says something about not enough permissions! Why is that please? |
| 20:47.33 | tchino | antgel: i have busy with that a lot of time befor |
| 20:47.43 | antgel | lisa_: you probably need to add yourself to the correct group |
| 20:47.49 | tchino | antgel: wait, i ask you the question |
| 20:47.52 | curby | black_Nightmare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_linux_distributions |
| 20:47.54 | antgel | thank fuck |
| 20:47.57 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, or install kppp setuid root (required on other distros) |
| 20:48.01 | FallOnMe | jan____: um, wait. There's new packages which I haven't tried yet. |
| 20:48.13 | tchino | antgel: oh, you mean me |
| 20:48.15 | antgel | SerajewelKS: why risk a high-risk, non-debian solution? |
| 20:48.19 | lisa_ | antgel, can you please explain that more? |
| 20:48.27 | black_Nightmare | curby..jeeze...didn't think of that woording...lol duoh to me |
| 20:48.28 | black_Nightmare | ty |
| 20:48.35 | lisa_ | SerajewelKS, I see the kppp in KDE menu, but it wont load |
| 20:48.44 | antgel | lisa_: not really as i don't use ppp. how much do you know about linux? |
| 20:48.48 | curby | it is linked to from the linux article, methinks |
| 20:48.50 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, just because it's in the menu doesn't mean it's setuid root |
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| 20:49.14 | SerajewelKS | antgel, it's only high-risk if you have other users. and kppp drops root privileges for its main thread as soon as it starts; connect/disconnects run in userspace. |
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| 20:49.18 | lisa_ | antgel, i know a little bit. came from Ms windows and bought Debian 3.1 CD and want to use Debian, but cant get on Internet |
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| 20:49.38 | jan____ | FallOnMe: ok, let me know, thanks |
| 20:49.40 | lisa_ | SerajewelKS, so I need to open shell and type "install kppp setuid root" ? |
| 20:49.42 | SerajewelKS | antgel, connect/disconnect scripts* |
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| 20:50.37 | lisa_ | can someone help me get Sarge to connect to internet? |
| 20:50.39 | antgel | lisa_: basically get a good book. each user can belong to one or more groups. type groups at a console to see what groups you're in. the ppp app needs to be run by a user who has enough permission i.e. is in the relevant group |
| 20:50.42 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, no, you need to do something like 'chmod +s `which kppp`' as root. but look into adding yourself to the required group before you do that. |
| 20:50.47 | FallOnMe | jan____: nope, 2.3.5-6 is still broken. There are third-party patches, though. |
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| 20:50.59 | antgel | SerajewelKS: why not just let her add to the group and forget root? |
| 20:51.03 | black_Nightmare | I was just trying to figure about my options for linux onto an oldworld G3 macintosh anyway :p |
| 20:51.26 | SerajewelKS | antgel, let me finish |
| 20:51.34 | lisa_ | SerajewelKS, I can load kppp if I login as root from a shell! is that safe to do? |
| 20:51.39 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, no no no |
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| 20:51.46 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, setuid root has nothing to do with loggin in as root |
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| 20:52.00 | streuner | lisa_: ever tried 'wvdial'? |
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| 20:52.02 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, granted, using a group is the best way to go about it |
| 20:52.03 | curby | black_Nightmare: oh i see, i went with mac minis and just decided vanilla debian-ppc would probably be my best bet, even though i'm more used to the redhat/mandr* world |
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| 20:52.11 | antgel | lisa_: please don't run anything as root that you don't need to. and don't make anything setuid root that you don't need to. |
| 20:52.17 | black_Nightmare | well curby..thats newworld anyhow... :p |
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| 20:52.24 | jan____ | FallOnMe: hmm, i guess i'll wait some weeks untill it's fixed, thanks |
| 20:52.25 | curby | black_Nightmare: i know the "old world" is different but not why/how |
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| 20:52.27 | lisa_ | SerajewelKS, all I want to be able to do is load and configure kppp so I can use Debian for internet. |
| 20:52.30 | streuner | !info wvdial |
| 20:52.36 | dpkg | wvdial: (PPP dialer with built-in intelligence), section comm, is optional. Version: 1.54.0-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 284 kB |
| 20:52.36 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, but if you're looking for a quick fix that *might* be a security problem, make kppp setuid root |
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| 20:52.47 | jan____ | FallOnMe: or are there already packages that are not going to mess things up ?:) |
| 20:52.54 | lisa_ | antgel, ok thank you! but im still unsure how I can get kppp to run when I log into Debian as my username! |
| 20:52.59 | jan____ | because i'm not planning to compile glibc myself ;-) |
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| 20:53.11 | FallOnMe | jan____: yes, let me dig up the URL. |
| 20:53.12 | black_Nightmare | curby...well...umm.....hmm.....thats a really good question....wait right there :p |
| 20:53.17 | SerajewelKS | antgel, i use wvdial |
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| 20:53.26 | SerajewelKS | antgel, used to use anyway... and i used linesrv for that |
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| 20:53.30 | antgel | lisa_: like i said, you need to add your user to the right group. i don't know what group that is |
| 20:53.34 | skate | antgel: are you talking about the dialout group? |
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| 20:53.39 | lisa_ | SerajewelKS, please talk in basics, im new to Debian and linux for about 1 day! and I installed it fine using a book! But I cant get kppp to load |
| 20:53.47 | antgel | skate: i don't know. perhaps. |
| 20:53.53 | SerajewelKS | skate, that sounds right |
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| 20:54.01 | skate | if she is login in as the user she created during base-config she should already be in that group |
| 20:54.03 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, just a moment.. i will test some things and get back to you |
| 20:54.03 | antgel | lisa_: can you run kppp from a console? that might tell be of help |
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| 20:54.07 | lisa_ | antgel, I am the only one using the computer and my username is "lisa". So how do I add kppp to lisa? |
| 20:54.14 | FallOnMe | jan____: http://debian.linux-systeme.com/ (deb http://debian.linux-systeme.com sid main) |
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| 20:54.35 | lisa_ | antgel, kppp runs and loads when I type it in shell when I log in as "su" |
| 20:54.36 | skate | lisa_: try this as root: adduser lisa dialout |
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| 20:54.40 | antgel | lisa_: no. kppp needs a user to be part of a group, possibly the dialout group. you need to be part of the dialout group |
| 20:54.48 | antgel | lisa_: no, what if you don't use su? |
| 20:54.52 | lisa_ | antgel, what does all that mean? |
| 20:55.02 | lisa_ | antgel, please remember im new |
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| 20:55.08 | antgel | lisa_: it means read up on it. |
| 20:55.12 | lisa_ | antgel, can you please talk basics, thanls |
| 20:55.22 | skate | i just told you what to try |
| 20:55.26 | SerajewelKS | antgel, the group is 'dip' |
| 20:55.32 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, log in as root |
| 20:55.33 | skate | is it dip? |
| 20:55.37 | Anthro | lisa_: Do you understand unix groups and permissions? |
| 20:55.39 | abrotman | lisa_: weren't you banned already? |
| 20:55.40 | skate | i have no idea, i don't use dialup |
| 20:55.44 | SerajewelKS | skate, just installed it... -rwsr-xr-- 1 root dip 575192 May 24 02:18 /usr/bin/kppp |
| 20:55.45 | lisa_ | antgel, look, I have read the whole Debian book that came with the CD's! I installed Sarge fine! All I want help with is to load kppp |
| 20:55.50 | antgel | lisa_: can you please stop trolling? |
| 20:55.52 | skate | ah nice |
| 20:55.52 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, listen to me |
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| 20:55.58 | lisa_ | abrotman, banned? this is my first day here |
| 20:56.07 | abrotman | really .. i find that hard to believe |
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| 20:56.16 | jan____ | FallOnMe: thanks, i'll give it a try |
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| 20:56.26 | lisa_ | antgel, hmmm is that the type of help a new person gets when they want to use Debian? you call them trolls? |
| 20:56.37 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, you're not helping the situation |
| 20:56.37 | jvw | abrotman: why? Because s/he isn't grumpy? |
| 20:56.50 | lisa_ | I am new to Debian and want to truly use it! I thougt Debian users encourage new users to Debian |
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| 20:56.53 | black_Nightmare | curby you make me wanting to smack you..in all the times I never ever thought to ask why they were calling it 'oldworld' and 'newworld' lol |
| 20:56.53 | black_Nightmare | :p |
| 20:56.54 | abrotman | i'm pretty damn sure lisa_ was eutopia that someone banned like 2-3 days ago |
| 20:56.56 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, STOP |
| 20:57.01 | lisa_ | SerajewelKS, im listening |
| 20:57.02 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, i will help you if you listen |
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| 20:57.14 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, get a root shell |
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| 20:57.25 | antgel | SerajewelKS: i have a suspicion you will never help her enough |
| 20:57.30 | curby | black_Nightmare: hehe. all i know is that new world uses yaboot |
| 20:57.32 | antgel | like my ex-gf actually |
| 20:57.32 | lisa_ | SerajewelKS, yes thanks, can we go private please as it seems abrotman is falsely attacking me in here. |
| 20:57.39 | SerajewelKS | !in the channel |
| 20:57.39 | dpkg | it has been said that in the channel is Stay in the channel unless someone gives you permission to private message them. |
| 20:57.44 | abrotman | lisa_: yes .. and you act just like eutopia too ... |
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| 20:57.57 | antgel | abrotman: was eutopia from .au? |
| 20:58.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:58.08 | antgel | snap |
| 20:58.09 | isaac | lisa_: no need to go private, just /ignore whoever is bothering you |
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| 20:58.10 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, okay, you have the shell? |
| 20:58.16 | lisa_ | isaac, ok |
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| 20:58.18 | kevin^ | lisa_: Debian (unless you tweak it) restricts use of modems to users in the "dialout" group. The problem kppp is having is probably that you're not a member of that group and so can't open the serial device. Mpre generally, check device permissions. |
| 20:58.31 | SerajewelKS | kevin^, the 'dip' group for kppp |
| 20:58.37 | abrotman | !seen eutopia |
| 20:58.37 | dpkg | eutopia <n=lisa@071.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 20h 22m 42s ago, saying: 'mwilson: indeed'. |
| 20:58.43 | lisa_ | SerajewelKS, I can load a shell window if thats what you mean |
| 20:58.45 | abrotman | !win me |
| 20:58.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 20:58.50 | curby | black_Nightmare: apparently the G3 processor-based Macs started the new world |
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| 20:58.52 | skate | haha same user |
| 20:58.54 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, okay, does your prompt end with #? |
| 20:58.55 | antgel | abrotman: you da man! |
| 20:58.59 | skate | well done abrotman |
| 20:59.03 | olly | err did i miss something? by default debian comes -without- telnetd or sshd ? |
| 20:59.05 | antgel | !beer abrotman |
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| 20:59.09 | FallOnMe | abrotman: indeed. ;-) |
| 20:59.11 | ricky_clarkson | Not Boddingtons! |
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| 20:59.25 | antgel | olly: you missed nothing. good work |
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| 20:59.30 | abrotman | and .. that host is still banned |
| 20:59.34 | SerajewelKS | olly, it comes with sshd |
| 20:59.35 | lisa_ | SerajewelKS, im not on debian atm, so i cant tell |
| 20:59.36 | antgel | lisa_: jesus, who cut the dog in half? |
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| 20:59.46 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, then wtf are you doing in #debian |
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| 20:59.48 | abrotman | !prize me |
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| 20:59.56 | olly | sshd. really? then my iso must be lame |
| 20:59.57 | antgel | SerajewelKS: no it fucking doesn't |
| 21:00.00 | lisa_ | SerajewelKS, because I installede Debian on my other computer |
| 21:00.05 | cirdan | hey, could anyone give a hand with postfix+smtp auth? |
| 21:00.09 | cirdan | i cannot get it working |
| 21:00.14 | antgel | SerajewelKS: now get on with telling a troll do be root |
| 21:00.16 | cirdan | been checking configs and all, no go |
| 21:00.18 | antgel | s/do/to |
| 21:00.19 | lisa_ | SerajewelKS, I want to use Debian but I cant connect to internet with it, cause I cant load kppp |
| 21:00.21 | EagleCros | lisa_: go grab your other computer |
| 21:00.26 | SerajewelKS | antgel, my recent sarge install asked me if i wanted to install sshd |
| 21:00.32 | cirdan | need to use saslauthd |
| 21:00.34 | olly | i really wish it came with a way to log into the box .. i don't think adding telnetd to the main dist. would be that bloaty |
| 21:01.08 | abrotman | golly gee .. you could even possibly make an argument to get it banned again based on ban evasion |
| 21:01.08 | antgel | abrotman: are these people stupid? |
| 21:01.08 | cirdan | have the latest packages from unstable |
| 21:01.08 | antgel | SerajewelKS: and mine today didn't |
| 21:01.08 | abrotman | antgel: that one .. yes |
| 21:01.08 | olly | i mean i understand lean installs but..this is a bit out of hand |
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| 21:01.09 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, yeah you are a troll |
| 21:01.09 | lisa_ | so how can I add kppp so it can load when I log in as my username is what I seek to know. |
| 21:01.09 | amorphix | oops |
| 21:01.09 | antgel | olly: install it, what's the problem |
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| 21:01.17 | olly | ok so i apt-get install'd telnetd |
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| 21:01.24 | olly | and it doesnt configure /etc/inetd.conf :) |
| 21:01.25 | antgel | lisa_: jesus mate, who cut the dog in half? |
| 21:01.28 | EagleCros | lisa_: go grab your other computer, and come back when you have both in front of you |
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| 21:01.29 | olly | not much of an install hehe |
| 21:01.32 | antgel | olly: don't use telnet |
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| 21:01.34 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, short answer: su -c='adduser lisa dip' |
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| 21:01.38 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, now do it |
| 21:01.39 | lisa_ | i cant believe you guys! I just installed Debian and want help connecting to internet with it, and you all call me a troll |
| 21:01.44 | amorphix | atgel: haha |
| 21:01.46 | antgel | SerajewelKS: you are killing me |
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| 21:01.57 | EagleCros | troll or bot? this is starting to look like a deja-vu |
| 21:01.57 | amorphix | antgel: rofl |
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| 21:01.59 | FallOnMe | SerajewelKS: wouldn't that be "dialout" |
| 21:02.01 | ryushe | could anyone recommend a good bandwith monitoring tool for measuring the amount of data going through an interface? |
| 21:02.09 | lisa_ | SerajewelKS, ok so I type in a shell "su -c='adduser lisa dip" ? |
| 21:02.14 | amorphix | u guys are so funny |
| 21:02.17 | abrotman | ryushe: apt-cache search ? |
| 21:02.18 | SerajewelKS | FallOnMe, install kppp, do 'ls -l `which kppp`' then tell me i'm wrong |
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| 21:02.20 | jvw | lisa_: su -c 'adduse lisa dip' |
| 21:02.30 | antgel | fucking thick cunts |
| 21:02.32 | Gnea | lisa_: you've got to have some tough skin around here. does your window manager support restarting applications at login? |
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| 21:02.45 | EagleCros | lisa_: the shortest answer is "apt-get remove tar" as root |
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| 21:02.47 | abrotman | Gnea: oh come on .. already banned once for trolling ... |
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| 21:03.00 | FallOnMe | SerajewelKS: I'll believe you now. (Not consistent with pon, though.) |
| 21:03.03 | curby | ryushe: search sf.net for bandwidth ... you can use do something simple like polling /proc/net/dev |
| 21:03.07 | Gnea | abrotman: probably complaining about meaningless bs |
| 21:03.13 | Wile_E | jvw: i was waiting until i see some fellow dd's here ;-) |
| 21:03.14 | abrotman | Gnea: no .. it was a real troll :) |
| 21:03.17 | cirdan | so noone here uses postfix and smtpauth? |
| 21:03.20 | jvw | Wile_E: heh |
| 21:03.21 | SerajewelKS | antgel, FYI, a fresh sarge install running inside qemu has 169 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd |
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| 21:03.27 | ryushe | thanks curby |
| 21:03.28 | abrotman | Gnea: if you've got long logs .. you can check and see why |
| 21:03.29 | SerajewelKS | 1691* |
| 21:03.36 | jvw | how about going on helping eachother instead of discussing whether someone is a troll? |
| 21:03.38 | Gnea | abrotman: with little hair and a bridge to live under?! :D |
| 21:03.46 | SlayerXP | evening ladies, gentlemen, boys, girls and abrotman |
| 21:03.48 | antgel | !tell cirdan about ask |
| 21:03.49 | abrotman | Gnea: they have long hair! |
| 21:03.49 | black_Nightmare | just wondering about it but any of you use debian on some kind of <400mhz system? (laptops included) |
| 21:03.52 | jvw | in my book, a troll is someone who is only asking/stating things with express purpose to generate argument |
| 21:03.54 | abrotman | what does that make me? |
| 21:03.57 | cirdan | antgel: i did ask |
| 21:03.59 | Gnea | abrotman: some of them do... |
| 21:04.01 | abrotman | black_Nightmare: 486 count? |
| 21:04.02 | jvw | that is not the case here as far as I can see |
| 21:04.04 | resiak | black_Nightmare: I have done. Why? |
| 21:04.06 | astronut | what brands of wifi cards are the most linux compatible? |
| 21:04.12 | EagleCros | jvw: dont apt-get remove fun, please |
| 21:04.13 | abrotman | jvw: she'd been banned before .. |
| 21:04.14 | curby | black_Nightmare: nope, but i've been doing redhat/mandrake stuff on 400 and 566mhz boxen |
| 21:04.20 | antgel | cirdan: you did no suck fucking thing |
| 21:04.23 | jvw | being new to Linux/Debian doesn't mean you intentionally provoke responses |
| 21:04.26 | cirdan | look up |
| 21:04.26 | jvw | abrotman: so? |
| 21:04.30 | abrotman | jvw: repeatedly |
| 21:04.33 | cirdan | hey, could anyone give a hand with postfix+smtp auth? |
| 21:04.37 | cirdan | i cannot get it working |
| 21:04.40 | cirdan | been checking configs and all, no go |
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| 21:04.49 | cirdan | need to use saslauthd |
| 21:04.49 | abrotman | cirdan: postfix.org has a nice howto .. |
| 21:04.51 | antgel | SerajewelKS: i couldn't give a fuck what is running on your box. i installed sarge today and couldn't ssh to the box until i installed it. |
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| 21:04.55 | abrotman | !find saslauthd |
| 21:04.59 | lisa_ | abrotman keeps calling me a troll, but I just installed Debian and all I wanted was help in loading kppp so I can connect to Internet :( Why am I being attacked by abrtoman was being a troll for wanting to use Debian? |
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| 21:05.00 | Reilithion | ok, this is the first time I've run aptitude, and it says that it will free 285MB of disk space. packages like kcron are selected for deletion. Why would aptitude have already decided that packages needed to be deleted if it's the first time I've run it? |
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| 21:05.06 | cirdan | abrotman: all the configs look good, but it's not hitting ldap for some reason |
| 21:05.07 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'saslauthd' (3 of 5): (/etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/saslauthd) in admin/logcheck-database ;; (/usr/share/doc/gosa/contrib/altlinux/etc/sasl2/saslauthd.conf) in web/gosa ;; (/etc/init.d/saslauthd, /etc/default/saslauthd, /usr/sbin/{saslauthd|testsaslauthd}) in utils/sasl2-bin. |
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| 21:05.21 | abrotman | cirdan: uhm |
| 21:05.24 | FallOnMe | lisa_: you're acting like a troll. |
| 21:05.27 | EagleCros | lisa_: ok, the solution is "apt-get remove tar", now go do it |
| 21:05.41 | resiak | Reilithion: Because it doesnt' think that you want them. |
| 21:05.41 | abrotman | lisa_: because you were banned once already for it |
| 21:05.42 | jvw | erm. don't remove tar |
| 21:05.44 | resiak | EagleCros: Shut up. |
| 21:05.46 | black_Nightmare | abrot..how well did it run on that 486? (did that include desktop or no? heh) .... resiak and curby I was just curious about it |
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| 21:05.52 | amorphix | they're only trying to help |
| 21:05.54 | jan____ | hmmm, i want to upgrade libc6 only, is that possible? |
| 21:05.58 | lisa_ | abrotman, if you represent Debian, then you will drive people away from using it by calling new people trolls when they seeking help! |
| 21:06.01 | abrotman | black_Nightmare: i used to run debian on it all the time .. now it's just for goofing .. no X |
| 21:06.07 | cirdan | abrotman: i have it set to auth against saslauthd, which uses pam, which uses ldap |
| 21:06.08 | amorphix | EagleCros said it 3x |
| 21:06.08 | black_Nightmare | going to just try make a debian/ppc netinstall cd and hope i can figure out my old G3 powerbook :p (its 266mhz btw) |
| 21:06.13 | cirdan | cyrus auths fine |
| 21:06.14 | FallOnMe | jan____: d'oh, apt-get install libc6 ;-) |
| 21:06.16 | curby | black_Nightmare: i'm still using a 566 as my firewall machine. just commandline stuff, but runs great |
| 21:06.18 | EagleCros | resiak? |
| 21:06.24 | Wile_E | lisa_: fortunatly ppl like abrotman do not represent debian |
| 21:06.28 | resiak | EagleCros: 22:07 EagleCros : lisa_: ok, the solution is "apt-get remove tar", now go do it |
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| 21:06.29 | jan____ | FallOnMe: oh, no upgrade or dist-upgrade thingie's |
| 21:06.29 | cirdan | as does testsaslauthd |
| 21:06.29 | geemark | newbie queistion - a command / series of commands that search an entire source tree for some text - preferrably printing out both filename and linenumbers? |
| 21:06.30 | lisa_ | EagleCros, will "apt-get remove tar" enable me to load kppp? |
| 21:06.30 | abrotman | lisa_: all i'm saying is that your IP and name are very simliar to someone who got banned a few days ago .. and you're acting very similar .. so .. let everyone else make thier own decision |
| 21:06.34 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, the most definite proof that someone is a troll is attacking the people that call you a troll. ignore them or risk being pegged as one. |
| 21:06.35 | Reilithion | resiak: why would it 'think' that? |
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| 21:06.39 | resiak | abrotman: Are you being a fucktard again? |
| 21:06.41 | abrotman | Wile_E: you don't even know me |
| 21:06.44 | jan____ | hmm libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-22) but 2.3.5-7 is to be installed |
| 21:06.49 | jan____ | i'll try -f ;-) |
| 21:06.52 | resiak | Reilithion: Because .... aptitude is weird. :) |
| 21:06.54 | dumezil1 | what are common text sizes to use with svgatextmode? |
| 21:06.59 | antgel | Reilithion: just mark the packages as ones you want to install |
| 21:07.00 | Reilithion | hehe |
| 21:07.02 | EagleCros | resiak: yes, I know what I wrote, I just didn't understand that order |
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| 21:07.15 | lisa_ | Wile_E, well, im shocked with him. for all I did was come here wanting help with Debian and he attacks me. I thought Debian community wanted to support people coming over to Debian, not drive them away :( |
| 21:07.17 | jvw | abrotman: exactly, so you don't represent Debian |
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| 21:07.20 | FallOnMe | jan____: not smart. better do apt-get install libc6 libc6-dev |
| 21:07.26 | jan____ | k ;-) |
| 21:07.28 | resiak | EagleCros: Don't tell people who won't know you're joking to screw up their systems :) |
| 21:07.29 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, that's what trolls say... stop while you're ahead |
| 21:07.32 | defcon8 | how do i find out he files of a certain programme? (installed from apt-get) |
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| 21:07.33 | abrotman | jvw: and i never claimed to .. did i ? |
| 21:07.37 | FallOnMe | jan____: why do you want unstable libc6 anyway? |
| 21:07.39 | abrotman | jvw: stop being an ass |
| 21:07.43 | EagleCros | resiak: oh, I don't |
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| 21:07.45 | Anthro | defcon8: dpkg -L <package> |
| 21:07.46 | dumezil1 | defcon8 dpkg -L packagename |
| 21:07.49 | black_Nightmare | well I think I'm going off for now...going too fast here heh |
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| 21:07.50 | dumezil1 | damn beaten |
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| 21:07.54 | lisa_ | abrotman, well you are falsely accusing me of being someone I am not! I just installed Debian yesterday only |
| 21:07.56 | abrotman | cirdan: you have postfix-tls installed right? |
| 21:07.59 | Anthro | dumezil: booya! |
| 21:08.01 | EagleCros | afaik, I didn't do such a thing |
| 21:08.01 | resiak | EagleCros: Erm... |
| 21:08.01 | antgel | hey Wile_E, good work on the ogo packages. when they going in sid? |
| 21:08.03 | lisa_ | SerajewelKS, ok |
| 21:08.04 | abrotman | lisa_: just ignore me .. get on with your life |
| 21:08.08 | dumezil1 | what are common text sizes to use with svgatextmode? |
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| 21:08.10 | resiak | EagleCros: 22:07 EagleCros : lisa_: ok, the solution is "apt-get remove tar", now go do it |
| 21:08.12 | EagleCros | resiak: review the log, and then answer |
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| 21:08.19 | amorphix | life goes on |
| 21:08.26 | EagleCros | anyway, dinner time for me |
| 21:08.29 | atom-z | removing tar is generally not a good idea |
| 21:08.29 | EagleCros | laters |
| 21:08.30 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, if you'd done what i told you 10 minutes ago you'd be running kppp right now |
| 21:08.32 | FallOnMe | dumezil1: 100x37 is nice (800x600) |
| 21:08.34 | Wile_E | antgel: soon ;-) sope is uploaded already. it is the most important dependency |
| 21:08.35 | jan____ | FallOnMe: i have a student shell server, and if i use stable, they complain 'this is newer, we want that!' |
| 21:08.38 | Gnea | lisa_: by continuing on saying that you are not a troll, you are, in fact, proving that, not only are you a troll, but a a liar to boot. |
| 21:08.41 | atom-z | why the hell would that break kppp |
| 21:08.42 | antgel | it's not just abrotman's excellent work. "she" didn't do a fucking thing anyone suggested herself. |
| 21:08.42 | resiak | EagleCros: You repeatedly told lisa_ to remove tar... |
| 21:08.46 | FallOnMe | jan____: don't let them. |
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| 21:08.51 | yff | hi |
| 21:08.53 | Gnea | -a |
| 21:09.04 | cirdan | abrotman: yes |
| 21:09.08 | Segers_J | someone that can ban people please ban konyyy, he's /msging me with a sex site link (I assume) |
| 21:09.15 | abrotman | cirdan: you might get more help from #postfix ... and also .. please read the docs at postfix .org |
| 21:09.17 | yff | i need help with move /home/ to /var/ and etcetera... |
| 21:09.17 | FallOnMe | jan____: why the fuck would they need a newer libc6? |
| 21:09.18 | abrotman | Segers_J: /topic |
| 21:09.20 | antgel | Wile_E: seriously, lots of people appreciate it. we're working on the groupdav <-> sync4j plugin |
| 21:09.23 | SerajewelKS | !topicsmote Segers_J |
| 21:09.24 | cirdan | abrotman: i did read the docs |
| 21:09.29 | Gnea | Segers_J: /topic |
| 21:09.30 | jan____ | FallOnMe: because new packages depend on it ;-) |
| 21:09.32 | jan____ | i think |
| 21:09.34 | SerajewelKS | bah |
| 21:09.36 | SerajewelKS | s/o/i/ |
| 21:09.36 | jan____ | anyway |
| 21:09.39 | cirdan | also debian's postfix segfaults with tls enabled |
| 21:09.42 | abrotman | cirdan: what about the various libsasl packages? |
| 21:09.42 | dumezil1 | FallOnMe: can you help me get svgatextmode working? ive tried, but its not working correctly. ive got a ati rage xl, i use the ati clocks line, but its not working... |
| 21:09.44 | yff | the reason is that my /home/ is to big and my /var/ is to small... how do i do that ? |
| 21:09.46 | Anthro | !topicsmite Segers_J |
| 21:09.48 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Segers_J. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:09.48 | jan____ | i might change to stable with minor upgrades |
| 21:09.51 | cirdan | i think there's a conflict with the sasl libs |
| 21:10.01 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, if it makes you feel better, /msg me about it. at least it will get this fight out of the channel. |
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| 21:10.04 | jan____ | FallOnMe: it's Ok to switch from unstable/testing to stable ? |
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| 21:10.07 | Wile_E | antgel: ah, great. syncml will be an important matter. even more important, when palm will drop their hotsync protocol and switch to multisync |
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| 21:10.11 | geemark | newbie queistion - does anyone know a command / series of commands that search an entire source tree for some text - preferrably printing out both filename and line numbers? (sorry for repeat) |
| 21:10.13 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: she can't |
| 21:10.18 | yff | anyone ? |
| 21:10.20 | yff | pls |
| 21:10.20 | SlayerXP | I'm sensing some latent agression here |
| 21:10.22 | Segers_J | ok, my nick or his for the mode thing? |
| 21:10.24 | Anthro | geemark: grep -r |
| 21:10.28 | cirdan | abrotman: ii libsasl2 2.1.19-1.6 Authentication abstraction library |
| 21:10.29 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, ah, not +i i take it |
| 21:10.31 | cirdan | ii libsasl2-dev 2.1.19-1.6 Development files for authentication abstraction l |
| 21:10.33 | abrotman | Segers_J: /umode +E |
| 21:10.34 | cirdan | ii libsasl2-modules 2.1.19-1.6 Pluggable Authentication Modules for SASL |
| 21:10.36 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: correct |
| 21:10.37 | cirdan | ii sasl2-bin 2.1.19-1.6 Programs for manipulating the SASL users database |
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| 21:10.45 | abrotman | cirdan: don't be flooding :) |
| 21:10.53 | SerajewelKS | !tell cirdan about paste |
| 21:10.59 | antgel | Wile_E: don't talk to me about palm. fucking things get worse every generation. my t3 doesn't go 5 mins without crashing. i kill myself, i now have a blackberry *puke* |
| 21:11.12 | FallOnMe | dumezil1: been a while. I think ATi's mach64 based card don't work well with svgatextmode. I had tried with Rage Pro a few years ago. Eventually I switched to framebuffer for console niceness. |
| 21:11.14 | cirdan | eh, 4 lines didn't seem a flood :-) |
| 21:11.24 | FallOnMe | dumezil1: but ymmv. |
| 21:11.31 | antgel | Wile_E: infact, i should get to my work desktop now but this channel is like a car crash |
| 21:11.35 | Anthro | yff: You want to swap which partition is used for which mountpoint? |
| 21:11.38 | dumezil1 | ymmv? |
| 21:11.39 | jan____ | FallOnMe: ? |
| 21:11.40 | curby | antgel: i still think the Palm Vx was the high point in their product line. and I still use my Vx daily |
| 21:11.40 | Segers_J | abrotman: thanks. |
| 21:11.42 | abrotman | !ymmv |
| 21:11.42 | dpkg | somebody said ymmv was your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
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| 21:12.13 | dumezil1 | whats the deal with framebuffer? is that better than svgatextmode? |
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| 21:12.30 | antgel | dumezil1: afaik fb is only useful on non pc hardware |
| 21:12.34 | twobitsp1ite | I know this is probably a FAQ, but how do I find out what fonts I have available? |
| 21:12.36 | FallOnMe | jan____: yes? did I put a wrong nick somewhere? |
| 21:12.48 | FallOnMe | antgel: not true. |
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| 21:13.08 | jan____ | FallOnMe: it's Ok to switch from unstable/testing to stable ? |
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| 21:13.13 | FallOnMe | antgel: very useful on LCD displays. |
| 21:13.16 | lisa_ | for the record! My ISP is the largest one in Australia! So if someone was here using similar ISP to me, thats because the ISP I use is #1 largest ISP in Australia |
| 21:13.17 | antgel | FallOnMe: i eagerly await to hear why that is |
| 21:13.19 | Gnea | antgel: how big is the rock you've been living under? :) |
| 21:13.23 | Snadder | what entry do I need to look at.. to find the sound card which is located on the montherboard in lspci? |
| 21:13.25 | antgel | FallOnMe: tell me more |
| 21:13.30 | FallOnMe | antgel: think "native resolution" |
| 21:13.35 | Gnea | lisa_: you suck, go away. |
| 21:13.38 | abrotman | and has a similar name .. and similar actions |
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| 21:13.41 | abrotman | Gnea: now you believe me! |
| 21:13.50 | yff | bumdedumdedei |
| 21:14.00 | Gnea | abrotman: but of course :) |
| 21:14.07 | abrotman | Gnea: you wouldn't happen to remember the alternate bugs interface that uhm .. one of the japanese guys made would you? |
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| 21:14.19 | antgel | FallOnMe: that's two words that mean nothing but if you care to explain i'm all ears |
| 21:14.27 | yff | need serious help... is some in for some help ? |
| 21:14.28 | Gnea | abrotman: currently, i do not :/ |
| 21:14.37 | Gnea | !tell yff about ask |
| 21:14.37 | Anthro | yff: You want to swap which partition is used for which mountpoint? |
| 21:14.40 | curby | FallOnMe: i'm using a 1280x1024 lcd and i think i'm getting 30 lines in text mode... no idea how to change those sorts of default shehe |
| 21:14.44 | FallOnMe | jan____: not really. depends on how many packages you already have installed from testing/unstable. The only way to be sure is to reinstall. |
| 21:14.48 | z0unds- | Hi i have some problems with captive-ntfs: when i do the -t captive-ntfs it wont load the LUFS kernel module so it tells me to run /usr/share/lufs/prepmod - when i run it i get an error saying: Detected Linux kernel sources "/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build" do not appear to be valid. what can i do |
| 21:14.57 | jan____ | FallOnMe: hm, iek :P |
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| 21:15.09 | yff | gnea : have already asked... noone seems interested in helping :-/ |
| 21:15.20 | Anthro | yff: Dumbass, I've tried. Pay attention. |
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| 21:15.29 | abrotman | bah .. where's a list of all the debian.net interfaces! |
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| 21:15.41 | FallOnMe | curby: I have an XGA display on this laptop and 128x48 in console. It's nice and _sharp_. |
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| 21:15.53 | dumezil1 | FallOnMe: how?! |
| 21:16.09 | curby | FallOnMe: does that just happen automatically? |
| 21:16.14 | FallOnMe | dumezil1: framebuffer. |
| 21:16.24 | Anthro | !abuse yff |
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| 21:16.27 | yff | abthro : sorry ... still interested ? |
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| 21:16.40 | Anthro | yff: Sure |
| 21:16.44 | Anthro | yff: You want to swap which partition is used for which mountpoint? |
| 21:16.54 | yff | anthro : yes... |
| 21:16.57 | jvw | abrotman: hm? |
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| 21:17.06 | resiak | abrotman: I was :) |
| 21:17.07 | yff | anthro : the problem is the following.... |
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| 21:17.09 | FallOnMe | curby: no, have to compile in a working framebuffer driver (atyfb on 2.4, or vesafb on 2.4 and 2.6) and set some boot options. |
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| 21:17.15 | Anthro | yff: Okay. Do you have a Linux livecd of some sort, like Knoppix? |
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| 21:17.38 | abrotman | jvw: you're a DD? |
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| 21:17.39 | curby | FallOnMe: oh hmm |
| 21:17.40 | jvw | abrotman: yes |
| 21:17.41 | abrotman | resiak: shot? |
| 21:17.44 | yff | anhtro : no it is on a server hosted in Florida... only got internet connection to the server (console) |
| 21:17.47 | resiak | abrotman: Slightly :) |
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| 21:17.57 | Anthro | yff: That makes it a bit more challenging. |
| 21:18.08 | abrotman | jvw: do you remember the site that one of the (japanese i think) DDs put up that was an alternate interface to searching bugs.d.o ? |
| 21:18.09 | FallOnMe | curby: but it's not really worth if you're running X anyway. |
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| 21:18.16 | curby | FallOnMe: i'm not. how about fbset - framebuffer device maintenance program |
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| 21:18.26 | yff | anthro : :) |
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| 21:18.30 | abrotman | jvw: ha .. found it .. fabre.debian.net ! :) |
| 21:18.33 | twobitsp1ite | so, I can't find anything on google about showing what fonts are available in X... |
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| 21:18.37 | twobitsp1ite | any pointers? |
| 21:18.49 | black_Nightmare | heh |
| 21:18.54 | Anthro | yff: So you have one partition for /var and one for /home and some others, right? Do you have enough space on one of the others for the data on one of the ones you want to swap? |
| 21:18.54 | curby | FallOnMe: every time i think i'm gonna put x on one of my server machines, i find some reason not to hehe |
| 21:18.57 | antgel | twobitsp1ite: man xlsfonts |
| 21:18.57 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 21:18.57 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 21:19.03 | abrotman | black_Nightmare: ^^ |
| 21:19.03 | syntaxx | any site in howto use gdesklet? i install desklet but it wont show up |
| 21:19.07 | jvw | abrotman: hm, never heard of that |
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| 21:19.14 | abrotman | jvw: and you're a DD? :) |
| 21:19.18 | jvw | abrotman: so? |
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| 21:19.20 | FallOnMe | curby: fbset works with my Rage Pro with atyfb driver. Doesn't work with vesafb, so you have a fixed resolution. |
| 21:19.25 | yff | anthro : i have much place, it is a newly installed system |
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| 21:19.27 | black_Nightmare | abrot..already been there...but it doesn't mention much for what to actually do on oldworld's |
| 21:19.28 | abrotman | jvw: i don't know if Ukai made it or who .. but it's on his blog |
| 21:19.28 | jvw | abrotman: Debian is big, and that's not really a well known service |
| 21:19.33 | skate | syntaxx: you have to open the gdesklets menu and select/start the ones you want. |
| 21:19.36 | abrotman | jvw: nah .. i only got it from reading planet |
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| 21:19.48 | Anthro | yff: Ah, okay. You're in good shape then. |
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| 21:19.53 | jvw | abrotman: Ukai is doing some really nice work |
| 21:19.59 | yff | Anthro : yes |
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| 21:20.09 | jvw | abrotman: snapshot.d.n is really great, for example |
| 21:20.16 | abrotman | jvw: i ddon't normally use it .. but i've a friend who bitches and moans about not having a full text search for bugs.d.o |
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| 21:20.34 | syntaxx | skate: i just apt-get install gdesklets and run then download desklets install package but nothings happened |
| 21:20.37 | jvw | abrotman: google will be unleached on it in the not so distant future, probably |
| 21:20.49 | yff | anthro : one second pls... perhaps found an easier way,... ahe to chech it first |
| 21:20.54 | skate | syntaxx: did you start the gdesklets daemon? |
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| 21:21.06 | abrotman | jvw: it already works with google .. or so i thought |
| 21:21.06 | Anthro | yff: First, turn off/kill as many running processes as you can. |
| 21:21.06 | FallOnMe | dumezil1: as for svgatextmode, did you select the correct chipset? might try "RAGE" for Rage XL, VESA might work too. |
| 21:21.09 | abrotman | !bts |
| 21:21.10 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 21:21.12 | Anthro | yff: Okay. |
| 21:21.13 | tchino | how can i convert an old exim3-configuration to a new exim4 file |
| 21:21.16 | syntaxx | skate: yeah and it says sensor could not be found |
| 21:21.30 | jvw | abrotman: nope, http://bugs.debian.org/robots.txt |
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| 21:21.33 | skate | syntaxx: did you install lmsensors? |
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| 21:21.42 | abrotman | jvw: hrm .. i thought i could .. maybe that was a while ago |
| 21:21.49 | syntaxx | hmm maybe that is what im missing thanks skate |
| 21:21.53 | black_Nightmare | !help |
| 21:21.54 | black_Nightmare | lol |
| 21:22.00 | black_Nightmare | :p |
| 21:22.00 | jvw | abrotman: d-bugs-dist is in google groupse |
| 21:22.01 | antgel | tchino: why are you trying to make easy stuff very hard? |
| 21:22.04 | FallOnMe | dumezil1: svgatextmode works best with really old cards, like those VLB cards used in 486 machines. ;-) |
| 21:22.04 | Anthro | !lol |
| 21:22.04 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line. Everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a Knoppix user. |
| 21:22.07 | abrotman | black_Nightmare: coherent questions are good :) |
| 21:22.13 | abrotman | jvw: ah .. maybe that was it .. dunno |
| 21:22.14 | black_Nightmare | abrot..I know :)) |
| 21:22.25 | yff | anthro : what do i do if locate doesnt work... i need to find a file names vhcs.conf on the server ? |
| 21:22.27 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 21:22.27 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 21:22.29 | curby | syntaxx: i think sensors-detect is also useful after installing lmsensors |
| 21:22.33 | antgel | yff: man find |
| 21:22.38 | black_Nightmare | !kick dpkg |
| 21:22.40 | black_Nightmare | hehehehe |
| 21:22.47 | black_Nightmare | just teasing it |
| 21:22.55 | antgel | !botabuse |
| 21:22.55 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 21:22.57 | Anthro | yff: locate is unlikely to work on a system that hasn't been up long enough to build a locatedb. Use find. |
| 21:22.59 | jvw | tchino: installing exim4-daemon will ask you whether you want to convert |
| 21:23.02 | syntaxx | curby: ok thanks for the info |
| 21:23.04 | ifvoid | black_Nightmare, Anthro : don't |
| 21:23.04 | black_Nightmare | antgel....hahaha |
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| 21:23.11 | jvw | tchino: but personally, I think redoing it makes sense |
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| 21:23.18 | antgel | jvw: he's on sarge afaik |
| 21:23.18 | Anthro | ifvoid: Excuse me? |
| 21:23.20 | tchino | jvv: i have installed that |
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| 21:23.31 | curby | sadly, lmsensors don't work too well on mac minis |
| 21:23.34 | antgel | jvw: can of worms. every time |
| 21:23.37 | jvw | tchino: didn't it ask whether you cant to convert your exim3 config? |
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| 21:23.42 | yff | anthro : hmm doesnt seem to work have read some in the man about it |
| 21:23.46 | jvw | ifvoid: hey! |
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| 21:24.02 | Anthro | yff: What doesn't work, find? |
| 21:24.06 | ifvoid | jvw: hey! |
| 21:24.09 | penguin | So int and long are same size on intel linux? |
| 21:24.23 | yff | Anthro : what about the locate command ? |
| 21:24.29 | jvw | penguin: on i386, yes |
| 21:24.32 | antgel | yff: man updatedb |
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| 21:24.43 | jim | penguin: that is compiler dependent |
| 21:24.45 | Anthro | yff: locate won't be useful without a recent database update. |
| 21:24.47 | jvw | penguin: intel also makes more cpu's than i386 though |
| 21:24.51 | sktrdie | is anyone using GNOME 2.10 or higher? |
| 21:24.54 | penguin | What do you use for bigger int on i386? |
| 21:24.55 | antgel | yff: find definitely works |
| 21:25.02 | ifvoid | sktrdie: yes, 2.10 here |
| 21:25.03 | antgel | !tell sktrdie about anyone |
| 21:25.17 | SlayerXP | sktrdie: without doubt, someone is. |
| 21:25.21 | twobitsp1ite | !tell twobitsprite about anyone |
| 21:25.25 | SlayerXP | the authors I imagine. |
| 21:25.33 | sktrdie | ifvoid: how did you install it on your system? |
| 21:25.41 | FallOnMe | curby: You probably don't want framebuffer on the server machines either. It's just eye-candy. |
| 21:25.47 | action09 | i get a "ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'cacti@localhost' (Using password: NO)" installing cacti :( help appreciated :) |
| 21:25.53 | jim | twobitsp1ite: you coulda done that like this: /msg dpkg anyone |
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| 21:26.02 | ifvoid | sktrdie: well, it's incluses in unstable |
| 21:26.03 | curby | FallOnMe: i guess. to be honest, i usually ssh n |
| 21:26.04 | antgel | action09: that's a mysql error |
| 21:26.11 | SlayerXP | action09: that's a mysql error message |
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| 21:26.20 | twobitsp1ite | jim: ahh, thanks |
| 21:26.22 | action09 | antgel yes :( i'm installing cacti/mysql |
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| 21:26.44 | action09 | i rode and did "/usr/share/doc/cacti/README.Debian.gz" |
| 21:26.47 | dumezil1 | how to i make the framebuffer device? |
| 21:26.49 | antgel | action09: stable? |
| 21:26.49 | SlayerXP | action09: you have the wrong username and/or password, or mysql is not set up correctly |
| 21:26.52 | tchino | jvv: no, it doesn't come a question |
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| 21:26.57 | action09 | antgel yep |
| 21:26.58 | sktrdie | ifvoid: when i try apt-get install gnome (from unstable) I get this error: The following packages have unmet dependecies |
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| 21:27.04 | Anthro | yff: Sorry, I am leaving work now. Good luck. |
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| 21:27.11 | SlayerXP | sktrdie: wait 24 hours and try again |
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| 21:27.24 | sktrdie | ifvoid: and Broken Packages |
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| 21:27.26 | antgel | action09: there's a bug in mysql-server about passwords. could affect you. |
| 21:27.31 | sktrdie | SlayerXP??? why 24 h? |
| 21:27.31 | SlayerXP | sktrdie: you're not allowed to complain about unstable not working |
| 21:27.35 | action09 | mysql -u root -p -e "create database cacti" |
| 21:27.35 | action09 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.35 | action09 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.37 | ifvoid | sktrdie: I guess it's uninstallable atm due to one of the transitions (libc, gcc, Xorg) |
| 21:27.39 | action09 | did that |
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| 21:27.42 | penguin | Will a double work like an int in a counting program? |
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| 21:27.51 | resiak | penguin: (a) No. (b) Ask ##c\ |
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| 21:28.10 | sktrdie | SlayerXP: but GNOME 2.10 is not really unstable... its just debian that puts it there |
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| 21:28.26 | SlayerXP | sktrdie: then use a different distro. |
| 21:28.30 | jvw | Debian's support for gnome2.10 is still unstable, so to say |
| 21:28.31 | ifvoid | sktrdie: there might be backports avialable on apt-get.org |
| 21:28.37 | ifvoid | sktrdie: totally unofficial though |
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| 21:28.41 | sktrdie | ok |
| 21:28.54 | FallOnMe | dumezil1: first, you have to find out what framebuffer driver you need. Then you have to use a kernel which has that driver compiled in. I think there's a way to use it when it's compiled as a module, but I never got it working that way. |
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| 21:28.59 | tchino | jvw: you are here |
| 21:29.00 | antgel | action09: #mysql |
| 21:29.07 | jvw | currently, due to a lot of development in unstable atm, your best bet is sarge, with gnome2.8 |
| 21:29.07 | action09 | ok thanks |
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| 21:29.24 | curby | and again! |
| 21:29.33 | jvw | it works well, if you want bleeding edge, you'll cut yourself on the sharp edges... |
| 21:29.34 | ifvoid | sktrdie: or you could try ubuntu |
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| 21:29.49 | SlayerXP | !kill ifvoid |
| 21:29.59 | FallOnMe | dumezil1: your rage xl (onboard, I presume?) might work with vesafb or atyfb driver. |
| 21:30.01 | Snadder | whats wrong when I get: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
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| 21:30.06 | ifvoid | SlayerXP: wtf? |
| 21:30.12 | antgel | Snadder: groups? |
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| 21:30.16 | ifvoid | SlayerXP: please be helpful, and polite |
| 21:30.18 | dumezil1 | FallOnMe: my kernel does have fb modules and i put in the ati fb module along with a bunch of font modules |
| 21:30.29 | lisa_ | SerajewelKS, hello |
| 21:30.38 | skate | uh oh |
| 21:30.40 | SlayerXP | ifvoid: the world needs more ubuntu users like humans need more varieties of pubic lice |
| 21:30.44 | Snadder | antgel, what?.. i'm root |
| 21:30.46 | skate | i thought it went away |
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| 21:30.52 | antgel | ah mate. he's back from the dunny |
| 21:30.54 | ifvoid | SlayerXP: don't be a jerk |
| 21:30.55 | dumezil1 | so the modules are in the kernel now, but how to i tell the computer to use them? |
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| 21:31.07 | FallOnMe | dumezil1: Can't help you there, I never got the fb modules to work. Only compiled-in fb worked for me. Maybe I'm just dumb. |
| 21:31.13 | ifvoid | SlayerXP: if you can't be polite, please leave the channel |
| 21:31.17 | antgel | Snadder: what are you trying to do and do you need to be root? |
| 21:31.36 | dumezil1 | FallOnMe: ok whatever... once you have the kernel with fb working what do you do? |
| 21:31.42 | SlayerXP | ifvoid: that _was_ polite, you can have impolite if you like, though :) |
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| 21:31.46 | sHARD | Yo |
| 21:32.08 | ifvoid | SlayerXP: that was not polite |
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| 21:32.14 | black_Nightmare | any of you know if debian works fine with hotswapping modules in a laptop? (battery too even) |
| 21:32.19 | sHARD | Anyone happen to know where one could find a deb for PostgreSQL 7.3.10? |
| 21:32.20 | dumezil1 | seemed pretty polite to me |
| 21:32.23 | antgel | ifvoid: /ig him if you don't like him |
| 21:32.24 | ifvoid | please keep in ind that there are lots of newbeew here, oth to debian and to irc |
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| 21:32.27 | FallOnMe | dumezil1: add a video=driver line to your boot options for kernel. |
| 21:32.28 | lisa_ | i got kppp to load and dial my ISP! but it says error 1, and hangs up. any ideas what causes that? I think it said something about ISP doesnt autheticate my password. But its correct password. Any ideas? |
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| 21:32.33 | ifvoid | and for some of them, ubuntu might be a good solution |
| 21:32.34 | dumezil1 | i can't see a more polite way to kill someone than with an aol cd |
| 21:32.37 | Snadder | antgel, I'm trying to get my sound card to work.. but I cant start alsamixer |
| 21:32.43 | jvw | lisa_: congrats |
| 21:32.49 | FallOnMe | dumezil1: in lilo, append="video=vesa" or video=atyfb |
| 21:32.54 | antgel | Snadder: and why are you root? |
| 21:32.59 | dumezil1 | ok next question... how do i do it with grub? |
| 21:33.30 | abrotman | antgel: you keep an eye out :) |
| 21:33.34 | Snadder | antgel, why not?.. I can use a normal user. np |
| 21:33.52 | Snadder | antgel, same error msg then |
| 21:33.53 | lisa_ | jvw, why congrats? I cant get Sarge to stay connected. it says error 1, and hangs up. any ideas? |
| 21:33.54 | antgel | Snadder: because you should never be root unless you have to be |
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| 21:34.00 | antgel | !tell Snadder about unix lessons |
| 21:34.09 | antgel | Snadder: did you modprobe the relevant module? |
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| 21:34.17 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, hey |
| 21:34.18 | FallOnMe | dumezil1: if using vesafb and lilo, also tell lilo to set the vga mode: add vga=773, for example, to that image. |
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| 21:34.29 | Snadder | antgel, I have no idea which modules.. because I cant find the sound card in lspci |
| 21:34.34 | ifvoid | lisa_: does /var/log/messages say anything useful about it? |
| 21:34.39 | lisa_ | SerajewelKS, hello :) it worked what you said :). but now I have another challenge |
| 21:35.07 | dumezil1 | FallOnMe: ive read that in a framebuffer howto, but its old and doesn't have support for grub... which my computer uses... |
| 21:35.08 | lisa_ | ifvoid, it says something about ISP not able to athunticate my password or something |
| 21:35.12 | antgel | Snadder: well why are you trying to run alsamixer. if it's not in lspci, you have a real problem. ever used another OS on the machine? |
| 21:35.13 | ifvoid | ah well |
| 21:35.18 | jvw | lisa_: sorry, no real experience with dialup at all -- I just referred to you getting at least one step further |
| 21:35.24 | ifvoid | lisa_: you sure that you entered the correct password? |
| 21:35.30 | black_Nightmare | anyone? |
| 21:35.30 | lisa_ | jvw, thanks :) |
| 21:35.32 | FallOnMe | dumezil1: in grub just add video=stuff to the kernel line. |
| 21:35.35 | ifvoid | otherwise it might be a problem with the encryption type |
| 21:35.35 | lisa_ | ifvoid, 100% sure |
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| 21:35.43 | ifvoid | lanchow: and also the username? |
| 21:35.46 | jvw | lisa_: even though I've worked for an ISP's helpdesk, but we only supported windows :) |
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| 21:35.48 | lisa_ | ifvoid, yes |
| 21:35.50 | ifvoid | s/lanchow/lisa/ |
| 21:35.54 | lisa_ | jvw, heh |
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| 21:36.12 | lisa_ | ifvoid any ideas? |
| 21:36.18 | jvw | lisa_: do remind that both username and password are case sensitive |
| 21:36.18 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, okay join the channel |
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| 21:36.23 | ifvoid | lisa_: not really, I've never used kppp |
| 21:36.25 | FallOnMe | dumezil1: be prepared to get a blank screen and having to type stuff blindly to get it to reboot. ;-) |
| 21:36.42 | antgel | FallOnMe: am still waiting to hear what the point of fb is on a pc |
| 21:36.52 | lisa_ | SerajewelKS, what was the channel called agian? |
| 21:36.52 | ifvoid | FallOnMe: well, ctrl-alt-del isn't that hard to type blindly ;) |
| 21:36.54 | action09 | antgel solved my pb with cacti |
| 21:36.58 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, i invited you |
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| 21:37.00 | FallOnMe | antgel: native resolution on the LCD. |
| 21:37.04 | antgel | action09: what was it? |
| 21:37.13 | antgel | FallOnMe: yeah. wtf does that mean? |
| 21:37.14 | lisa_ | SerajewelKS, I didnt get an invite this time |
| 21:37.17 | action09 | antgel instead of previous i did agunzip of sql and "cat /usr/share/doc/cacti/cacti.sql | mysql cacti " |
| 21:37.24 | action09 | weird |
| 21:37.25 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, i just sent it again |
| 21:37.29 | FallOnMe | antgel: It means the text is sharp. |
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| 21:37.51 | nvz | I'll be right back. got to take the coupler off this line, I need it to make one of my crossovers. :) |
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| 21:38.09 | antgel | FallOnMe: ok, i should clarify as i assume that people use x on the desktop. do you think there is a point to if user uses x? |
| 21:38.21 | antgel | s/to if/to fb if/ |
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| 21:38.27 | FallOnMe | antgel: not really. |
| 21:38.30 | ifvoid | antgel: no |
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| 21:38.37 | ifvoid | on i386, that is |
| 21:38.43 | antgel | FallOnMe: fine. that i understand. |
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| 21:38.47 | ifvoid | it might be different on other archs |
| 21:38.56 | Snadder | antgel, yep.. thats why I asked abit earlier.. how to find my sound card in lspci |
| 21:38.59 | FallOnMe | antgel: ... oh, and you get to see Tux at boot time. ;-) |
| 21:39.15 | antgel | !fuck tux |
| 21:39.17 | ifvoid | Snadder: can you put the output of lspci online somewhere? |
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| 21:39.39 | antgel | Snadder: lspci |grep audio |
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| 21:39.48 | Snadder | antgel, I tried alsamixer.. in case i've overlooked something.. doesnt mean you need to flame me about why I did that.. and why I did that |
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| 21:40.03 | Snadder | antgel, nothing |
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| 21:40.10 | Snadder | ifvoid, sure |
| 21:40.11 | antgel | Snadder: because there is no point doing anything if you can't see the card in lscpi. |
| 21:40.34 | ifvoid | Snadder: you don;t happen to have an ISA card, right? |
| 21:40.36 | antgel | Snadder: and because you didn't answer my question about ever using another os on the machine |
| 21:40.37 | Snadder | antgel, right.. ok.. I wont do it again for your pleasure;) |
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| 21:40.53 | antgel | Snadder: _our_ pleasure :) |
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| 21:41.01 | Snadder | antgel, ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) |
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| 21:41.11 | curby | FallOnMe: if that's the case, i think it's already working. i see tux on boot, and am not using 25x80 rows/cols |
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| 21:41.41 | Snadder | anyone remember the url to a paste website? |
| 21:41.51 | antgel | !tell Snadder about paster |
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| 21:42.07 | Segers_J | Snadder: I usually just use #flood |
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| 21:42.20 | Snadder | ok.. i'll paste it in #flood |
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| 21:42.49 | Snadder | antgel, ifvoid+++ could you guys join there? |
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| 21:43.18 | Snadder | thx:) |
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| 21:43.31 | antgel | ifvoid: good call about the alsa methinks |
| 21:43.31 | ifvoid | Snadder: ah, you got an isa card probably |
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| 21:43.36 | antgel | s/alsa/isa |
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| 21:44.04 | kasper | i've got the all the java stuff installed, everything works, can compile and run java source., but there is no appletviewer anywhere, is there a deb for it somewhere? |
| 21:44.18 | ifvoid | Snadder: what does pnpdump say? |
| 21:44.21 | atom-z | people still have ISA cards? |
| 21:44.26 | ifvoid | atom-z: apparently ;) |
| 21:44.38 | atom-z | woah retro |
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| 21:46.46 | FallOnMe | atom-z: my ophtalmologist has an ISA card attached to a $20,000 instrument, and he wishes not to have to upgrade. ;-) |
| 21:46.55 | Snadder | ifvoid, let me c.. need to install some isa package first |
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| 21:47.27 | atom-z | I see |
| 21:47.38 | Snadder | ifvoid, alot of shit |
| 21:47.42 | Snadder | i'll paste it |
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| 21:48.37 | avrigus | hi |
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| 21:48.58 | avrigus | i try to compil kernel ... i get error, can someone help ? |
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| 21:49.10 | karsten | !tell avrigus about smart questions |
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| 21:49.25 | FallOnMe | we get signal |
| 21:49.28 | tchino | when i convert an exim3-file with exim_convert4r4 to exim4.conf, the exim4.conf was empty, what is the reason |
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| 21:49.47 | lisa_ | when I installed Debian 3.1 Sarge, it seems the kernel is 2.4 or something! Shouldnt it be 2.6.8? |
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| 21:50.07 | antgel | tchino: because you need a clue and always try to do things a really hard way |
| 21:50.14 | cheal | lisa_: only if you passed the necessary boot parameter to get a 2.6 kernel |
| 21:50.50 | atom-z | if 2.4 works, dont worry about 2.6 |
| 21:50.54 | lisa_ | cheal, how can I update it now to the latest kernel? |
| 21:51.00 | tchino | antgel: what i do wrong |
| 21:51.08 | ifvoid | Snadder: CSC6835 |
| 21:51.14 | cheal | lisa_: install the 2.6 kernel-image package you need |
| 21:51.15 | ifvoid | let's see |
| 21:51.15 | jvw | tchino: mail configurations can get complicated, and that convert4r4 thingy is said to be quite buggy |
| 21:51.18 | FallOnMe | lisa_: you don't want the latest if everything works. |
| 21:51.20 | Snadder | yes.. whats up with that number? |
| 21:51.25 | antgel | tchino: lots of stuff |
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| 21:51.33 | ifvoid | that's a model number of a sound card |
| 21:51.37 | lisa_ | cheal, whats the latest kernel for Sarge? |
| 21:51.38 | ifvoid | lemme look it up |
| 21:51.41 | jvw | tchino: personally, I'd really suggest to start out with a default exim4 config, and copy in your site's specific stuff from your exim3 config |
| 21:51.47 | avrigus | 2.6.11 |
| 21:51.55 | jvw | tchino: meanwhile reading /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/Exim4.upgrade.gz about what is different |
| 21:52.06 | lisa_ | FallOnMe, not everything works, I cant use kppp succesfuly |
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| 21:52.24 | cheal | lisa_: 2.6.8 |
| 21:52.33 | lisa_ | avrigus, whats a website telling a person how to installl a new kernel? |
| 21:52.40 | FallOnMe | lisa_: I daresay it's probably not 2.4's fault |
| 21:52.48 | tchino | jvw: how can i start with a default exim4-file: i do with exim4-config send over smarthost |
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| 21:52.58 | lisa_ | cheal, do you know of a manual to teach a person how to install 2.6.8? |
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| 21:53.20 | tchino | jvw: than it ask emailname of system: there i put gmx.de |
| 21:53.21 | atom-z | lisa_, you dont need one. just install it via apt-get |
| 21:53.36 | tchino | jvw: wrong or right |
| 21:54.03 | resiak | lisa_: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 . Done. |
| 21:54.05 | cheal | lisa_: no |
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| 21:54.16 | lisa_ | atom-z, but I cant dial out, I have ISP connection trouble with Sarge |
| 21:54.19 | avrigus | hi, is there a french irc debian channel ? |
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| 21:54.23 | AquaVixen | I know this probly isn't the place, but quick hardware question |
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| 21:54.37 | avrigus | hi, is there a french irc debian channel ? |
| 21:54.38 | FallOnMe | lisa_: didn't you say it worked if kppp was run as root |
| 21:54.40 | AquaVixen | Does anyone here know if a mobile P4 will work in a desktop p4 motherboard ? Both are socket 748 |
| 21:54.46 | atom-z | lisa_, chances are you dont need a new kernel to use a dialup connection |
| 21:54.48 | resiak | !fr |
| 21:54.48 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:54.52 | jan____ | hmm, i want to test suphp, but the suPHP_UserGroup config parameter isn't working |
| 21:55.04 | avrigus | thanx |
| 21:55.06 | resiak | !tell jan____ -about doesn't work |
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| 21:55.10 | lisa_ | FallOnMe, it hangs up on me after 1 seconds |
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| 21:55.41 | Snadder | any luck ifvoid? |
| 21:55.42 | FallOnMe | lisa_: and plain ole' pppconfig does not work either? |
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| 21:55.56 | lisa_ | FallOnMe, when I dial my ISP, after 1 seconds it hangs up! And I cant find a solution im sad to say |
| 21:55.58 | bowman | heya. I have some trouble with a headset mic not working. kernel 2.6.8 prepackaged, soundcore module etc. are loaded - are these OSS or ALSA drivers? |
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| 21:56.17 | lisa_ | FallOnMe, is pppconfig run when I run kppp? |
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| 21:56.38 | jvw | tchino: I think best thing is to get the default from www.exim.org |
| 21:56.44 | FallOnMe | lisa_: pppconfig is an alternative way to configure the dialup options. |
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| 21:56.56 | jvw | tchino: or /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.conf, but that one is full of macro's |
| 21:57.03 | Manoj | anyone notice the discussion on debian-project@lists.debian.org about this channel? |
| 21:57.07 | antgel | bowman: that's alsa |
| 21:57.10 | lisa_ | FallOnMe, so I type pppconfig from shell? |
| 21:57.19 | antgel | !tell Manoj about anyone |
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| 21:57.28 | jvw | Manoj: it's another debian-p@l.d.o |
| 21:57.28 | FallOnMe | lisa_: yes. as root. |
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| 21:57.37 | jvw | Manoj: one that only DD's notice |
| 21:57.40 | Manoj | antgel, don't be an ass |
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| 21:58.11 | FallOnMe | antgel: um, do you know who you're talking to. ;-) |
| 21:58.12 | bowman | antgel: well. alsa mixers refuse to run, they say there is no ALSA device. I can play sound though :-) |
| 21:58.23 | lisa_ | FallOnMe, ill try that then! and whats weird is, I can log into ISP using Mepis which is a Debian based crappy distrio! But Cant using Debian itself! weird |
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| 21:58.56 | Snadder | ifvoid: FATAL: Error inserting cs4232 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/oss/cs4232.ko): No such device |
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| 21:59.14 | Snadder | read somewhere that the mdoule cs4232 was the right one |
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| 21:59.30 | FallOnMe | lisa_: pppconfig is just the configuration tool. use pon and poff afterwards to start the connection. |
| 21:59.31 | lisa_ | FallOnMe, any other tips to try before I go upstairs to try it? |
| 21:59.36 | Manoj | jvw: damn. I came close to leaking, just by not noticing what mail folder I was reading |
| 21:59.40 | ifvoid | Snadder: I think you need cs4236 |
| 21:59.44 | jesperj | how do I add a kernel module to load at boot? |
| 21:59.51 | antgel | i don't, but what difference? |
| 21:59.56 | SerajewelKS | jesperj, put it in /etc/modules |
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| 22:00.01 | Snadder | ifvoid, FATAL: Module cs4236 not found. |
| 22:00.03 | lisa_ | FallOnMe, so I type "pppconfig" and after that I type "pon" ? |
| 22:00.08 | antgel | bowman: lsmod |grep snd |
| 22:00.13 | ifvoid | Snadder: uh, snd-cs4236 |
| 22:00.14 | Manoj | antgel: cause what you pointed me to had no relation, really, to the topic I am broaching |
| 22:00.14 | jesperj | thanks |
| 22:00.17 | antgel | jesperj: /etc/modules |
| 22:00.21 | lisa_ | FallOnMe, whats pon and poff exactly? |
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| 22:00.32 | aredhel | lisa_, ppp on and off |
| 22:00.33 | bowman | antgel: lots of output ;) |
| 22:00.34 | Manoj | antgel: a hair trigger on canned responses does not really help anyone. |
| 22:00.46 | Snadder | ifvoid, let me see:) |
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| 22:00.56 | eguzkia | aiooooooooooooo!! |
| 22:00.56 | antgel | Manoj: i'd love to know what topic you are broaching, but i can't see any discussion on the list archives. care to provide a date? |
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| 22:01.06 | jvw | Manoj: no problem, I don't think one should be *that* pedantic about it... |
| 22:01.16 | lisa_ | aredhel, what you mean? thats a command? "ppp on" ? |
| 22:01.24 | Manoj | the topic that I am so unseccesfully trying to broach is that of a percieved unfreindliness of this channel |
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| 22:01.25 | antgel | Manoj: becomes habitual, sorry if offence taken |
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| 22:01.35 | aredhel | lisa_, pon is ppp on and poff is ppp off |
| 22:01.41 | FallOnMe | lisa_: (Re: other tips) try and see if your user is in the same group as your modem device in /dev. If it's not, pon will only work in root shell. (Re: pppconfig & pon & poff), pppconfig is a configuration tool for ppp options. pon and poff are wrappers to start and stop a connection, once you have configured one. |
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| 22:01.58 | jesperj | eguzkia, It's ok. breath in and out... it's only post-traumatic stress after your windows-days. Bill is gone now. He can't hurt you anymore |
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| 22:02.06 | jvw | antgel: oh well, now Manoj gave up on #debian already. Well done, that was fast |
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| 22:02.13 | bowman | antgel: lsmod | grep snd => snd_seq,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_ens1371,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm,snd_page_alloc,snd_timer,snd_ac97_codec,snd,soundcore,gameport |
| 22:02.21 | jvw | though admittingly, it's not terribly hard to upset Manoj, but still :) |
| 22:02.37 | Snadder | ifvoid, its just hangling when i'm trying to load it.. it seems |
| 22:02.45 | Manoj | jvw: heh. no, I am trying out ctrlproxy stuff (not used to it yet) |
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| 22:03.00 | jvw | Manoj: heh, oops :) |
| 22:03.02 | lisa_ | ok thanks |
| 22:03.08 | dondelelcaro | Manoj: the old one? or has there been a new one again? |
| 22:03.12 | ifvoid | Snadder: well, you might need pnp support, or you might have to specify irq and dma channels to the modules |
| 22:03.12 | lisa_ | brb trying Sarge to connect to ISP |
| 22:03.14 | FallOnMe | Manoj: well, some of the regulars get annoyed by the same questions fast, and start reacting in not-really-nice ways. |
| 22:03.17 | antgel | jvw: i'm very interested to hear the discussion but i can't see anything on lists.debian.org |
| 22:03.25 | ifvoid | Snadder: it's really less of a hassle to buy a pci sound card ;) |
| 22:03.32 | jvw | FallOnMe: then they should IMHO get a walk, and take a break |
| 22:03.34 | Manoj | dondelelcaro: I am new to ctrlproxy, so I am unsure if this is new or old |
| 22:03.35 | ifvoid | antgel: it's on debian-private |
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| 22:03.51 | jvw | FallOnMe: I agree it can be tiresome to help endless hordes of new users |
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| 22:03.58 | dondelelcaro | Manoj: sorry, I mean the discussion on -project |
| 22:04.00 | antgel | ifvoid: he said debian-project |
| 22:04.05 | jvw | FallOnMe: so one should do it not in too long stretches |
| 22:04.07 | ifvoid | he was mistaken ;) |
| 22:04.16 | cheal | Manoj: you can see by entering the channel that discussion is about an unexisting problem :) |
| 22:04.17 | dondelelcaro | SX|Marc: please turn that off. |
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| 22:04.25 | Snadder | ifvoid, hum.. dont have that right now.. but anyway.. it seems like they are loaded |
| 22:04.25 | nvz | why isnt #debian showing up as a choice on channels.debian.net/paste? is it because the bot isnt here? |
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| 22:04.27 | Manoj | antgel: as I said, without leaking private info, the discussion there, as the one I am trying to set up here, is about how newbies feel all put off by percieved eliticism of the channel |
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| 22:04.40 | jesperj | anyone know hotkeys? Know if it is possible to disable the "launching XXX" when a key is pressed and an app is launched? It is very annoying |
| 22:04.41 | Fred21_Irssi | Hello |
| 22:04.41 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's because it was being abused by GNAA |
| 22:04.48 | Snadder | ifvoid, could you join #flood again? |
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| 22:04.51 | nvz | dondelelcaro: damn them :P |
| 22:04.53 | FallOnMe | jvw: however, these are the very same people that you will get most useful information out of. |
| 22:04.55 | Fred21_Irssi | how to add default list in rblcheck? |
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| 22:04.58 | ifvoid | Snadder: I'm off to bed ;) |
| 22:05.03 | Snadder | hehe. ok:p |
| 22:05.13 | antgel | Manoj, jvm, i hear that. i feel like a regular but i've been here a month or two. |
| 22:05.17 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I wanted to paste my interfaces file. I got my bridge setup but I cant figure out how to get it to happen automatically when I boot |
| 22:05.18 | atom-z | I dont think that #debian is elitist |
| 22:05.24 | Snadder | ifvoid, thanks for your help. nite |
| 22:05.24 | Manoj | and wondering if there can be something done about it less heavy handed than bunches of chaops and show downs at high noon |
| 22:05.29 | ifvoid | Snadder: and anyway, it's been years since I've use isapnp, I don't think I can help you with that |
| 22:05.46 | atom-z | for all of my problems with debian thus far, people have generally been extremely helpful |
| 22:05.50 | Snadder | antgel, doesnt it seems like I got the right modules already loaded? |
| 22:05.54 | antgel | Manoj: care to look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325655 which i raised only a couple of days ago? |
| 22:05.58 | resiak | I think that it is fairly elitist, but that what people consider to be unfriendliness is simply terseness and an unwillingness to spoonfeed. |
| 22:05.59 | cmatheson | nvz: just add a 'auto <foo-interface>' line to your interfaces file |
| 22:06.05 | curby | atom-z: some people have rather short fuses though, as a result of those who try to mess things up =) |
| 22:06.06 | antgel | Snadder: you in the audio group? |
| 22:06.12 | nvz | cmatheson: gee thanks for your wisdom |
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| 22:06.29 | eeyore- | Manoj: "elitism of the channel"? |
| 22:06.30 | cmatheson | hey, i need to get a signed ssl certificate... anyone know where to go? (it's for work, so i guess anywhere is cool although verisign looks expensive) |
| 22:06.41 | cmatheson | nvz: no problem |
| 22:06.44 | nvz | cmatheson: thats not even close to what I am talking about. I already got 5 auto lines in there |
| 22:06.45 | antgel | Manoj: some people come in here and get help. some moan. it's the same bunch of people helping. make anything of that? |
| 22:06.45 | Snadder | antgel, yes.. |
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| 22:07.01 | Snadder | antgel, but which program can I use... to test the sound |
| 22:07.01 | cmatheson | nvz: why would you need 5? |
| 22:07.06 | eeyore- | cmatheson: comodo.com, cheap, but pain in the ... |
| 22:07.06 | Snadder | alsamixer dosnt work |
| 22:07.07 | curby | cmatheson: rapidssl resellers sell for $20/yr or so (US dollars). godaddy.com has chained certs for 20-30 per year |
| 22:07.21 | cmatheson | eeyore-: curby wow those sound cheap i'll check that out |
| 22:07.22 | nvz | cmatheson: lo, eth0, eth1, eth2, br0 |
| 22:07.24 | antgel | Manoj: one group reads the docs and tries to learn. the other can't get out of bed without being breastfed. we have limited resources. |
| 22:07.35 | eeyore- | cmatheson: and they outsourced their help line to indians |
| 22:07.37 | Snadder | antgel, I had the nerves to try it again.. since the modules is loaded for the isa card;) |
| 22:07.39 | antgel | Manoj: and 95% of it is about the same 5 things |
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| 22:07.54 | cmatheson | eeyore-: hmm, that really sucks for folks looking for tech jobs huh? |
| 22:07.56 | eeyore- | cmatheson: the reason i mentioned outsourcing is because you will be dealing with a few actual offices |
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| 22:08.01 | Manoj | antgel: one can gently point people to the fine manuals, I think |
| 22:08.05 | cmatheson | eeyore-: oh ok |
| 22:08.07 | jan____ | hmm, i want to test suphp, but the suPHP_UserGroup config parameter isn't working as in: i've loaded the module, and enabled the engine, and i tried putting suPHP_UserGroup <user> <group> into a Vhost, but on reloading apache, the syntax check fails: Invalid command 'suPHP_UserGroup', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 22:08.10 | eeyore- | cmatheson: no, it wasn't a racial slur as much as a functional one |
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| 22:08.19 | cmatheson | eeyore-: i understand |
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| 22:08.47 | eeyore- | cmatheson: e.g., you will be faxing to one office (you better make darn sure it's the right fax number) and it's another office that will actually approve your order, so they might be waiting for your business license that never came |
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| 22:08.51 | Maulkin | I think it's possibly the case that 'terseness' is constuded as 'rudeness'. And the 'terseness' comes from the sheer volume of people. (IMO etc) |
| 22:08.55 | antgel | Manoj: one can. but it's easy to come in here and say that. the kind of people who are getting pissed off are the kind of people who can't be fucked to read the manual |
| 22:09.20 | antgel | Manoj_: there are a lot of happy campers but happy campers don't make their voices heard |
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| 22:09.29 | ifvoid | antgel: still, the general atmosphere doesn't dell very friendly here, at times |
| 22:09.36 | ifvoid | s/dell/feel/ |
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| 22:09.41 | Ronin | seems pretty calm actually |
| 22:09.42 | atom-z | I simply think that is untrue |
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| 22:09.49 | ifvoid | Ronin: right now, yeah |
| 22:09.50 | Manoj_ | well, there is more to it than that, if DD's are coming in here and going away ennerved as well; these are not usually your clueless newbies |
| 22:09.51 | curby | cmatheson: keep in mind that if you have admins who've done SSL certs before, you don't really need much support at all, either to maintain the cert or to install/configure it. it's not like domains, wherepeople can dispute them, try to steal them, etc. so if you pay $400 per year for a cert, you're likely (but not necessarily) getting ripped off |
| 22:10.00 | FallOnMe | Manoj: for one thing, some stuff that's being repeated over-and-over again could be better explained elsewhere. For example, all the locals know implicitely about the user-unfriendliness of the unstable distro. However, "newbies" don't know that by installing just one package from unstable, one may, by the means of dependencies, get himself effectively a sid install. The fact that sid is not for the average user is not stressed enough on, for exam |
| 22:10.01 | FallOnMe | ple, www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 22:10.06 | orchid | antgel: theres plenty of newbie abuse too, not to mention stupid bot noise |
| 22:10.07 | Snadder | antgel, any idea what I can do? |
| 22:10.10 | eeyore- | cmatheson: we had to go through different offices of our own (our domain was registered by the parent company in the UK) and it got faxed to UK where it should have been faxed to bangalore, etc. etc. etc. ... what normally took 1 week to do ended up taking three weeks :-p (and an angry letter, followed by a returned phone call by a british dude ;-) |
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| 22:10.20 | atom-z | This channel is friendly, provided people dont still keep asking questions after getting their answer |
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| 22:10.37 | Ronin | atom-z: and dont want thier hands held etc. |
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| 22:10.43 | cmatheson | curby: wow i didn't realize that they don't necessarily need to be renewed |
| 22:10.43 | atom-z | yes |
| 22:10.51 | cmatheson | eeyore-: that does sound like a wildly complicated process |
| 22:10.56 | antgel | orchid, Manoj_ : listen to atom-z. there you go. happy camper. |
| 22:10.58 | curby | cmatheson: they need to be re-issued. you get a completely new cert |
| 22:10.59 | jesperj | Anyone know of a tool that can check a pop3 email account periodically if it has new mail without actually downloading it, and when there is new mail it executes a command? |
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| 22:11.07 | nvz | I need help getting my bridge to come up at boot here is my interfaces file its obviously wrong. http://pastebin.ca/21883 the bridge works if I do the brctl commands manually, ifconfig eth[0-2] 0.0.0.0, and dhclient br0 |
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| 22:11.18 | eeyore- | cmatheson: well, yeah. you have to prove you are who you say you are, to a certain degree :-) and it will involve faxing your business license/cert at some point |
| 22:11.21 | curby | cmatheson: every X years, you just perform a new transaction for a new cert |
| 22:11.25 | antgel | Manoj_: did you look at the bug report? it's just a case of people understanding more. |
| 22:11.29 | eeyore- | cmatheson: that's pretty standard every where you go |
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| 22:11.47 | eeyore- | cmatheson: but that's only for *first* time. if you stick with the same authority, renewal is easy |
| 22:11.51 | antgel | Manoj_: they do not have a clue that unstable is hairy, not just newer. |
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| 22:12.01 | curby | eeyore-: some proof is needed, but different companies do things different ways. some use phone, i think some even do everything over the web, but not sure how that works |
| 22:12.05 | antgel | Snadder: i'm not an isa expert, sorry |
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| 22:12.15 | Snadder | ok |
| 22:12.18 | cmatheson | eeyore-: oh ok. i think we actually have a contract w/ someone in another department. maybe i'll try and see if they can hook me up w/ something |
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| 22:12.33 | atom-z | I think that attacking helpers in this channel for their percieved 'elitism' is quite unjustified. If people want a comprehensive support package, where someone would be willing to perhaps spend hours diagnosing their problem, then they should buy a support package of some sort. |
| 22:12.34 | antgel | Snadder: you may need isapnptools |
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| 22:12.42 | eeyore- | curby: yeah. i don't really have a problem with the *old* way Comodo used to do it (they did everything in-house, and it was extremely painless). but, ever since they outsourced it to india, it was hell. |
| 22:12.52 | jan____ | ok, nobody who can help me with my suPHP problem |
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| 22:13.19 | Snadder | antgel, yes.. already installed that package |
| 22:13.26 | Maulkin | antgel: That's a nice summary :) |
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| 22:13.42 | antgel | Maulkin: what is? |
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| 22:13.55 | antgel | Snadder: sorry, i'm just not your man for isa |
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| 22:14.21 | Snadder | antgel, ok.. np.. i'll try something else |
| 22:14.25 | Maulkin | antgel: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325655 |
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| 22:14.39 | nvz | I guess those brctl commands dont go in /etc/network/interfaces I couldnt find anything about it in the docs and when I asked here thats what I was told to do *shrug* |
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| 22:15.02 | antgel | Maulkin: thanks. feel free to add. i hope that if dd's feel so strongly that they will take note |
| 22:15.05 | eeyore- | Manoj_: tell you what, you hang around here for a year or two and you'll be just like one of us :-) |
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| 22:15.39 | Maulkin | antgel: it's currently being noticed :) |
| 22:15.44 | antgel | Maulkin: i'm just about to add a bit about apt-listbugs |
| 22:15.49 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 325655 |
| 22:15.52 | dpkg | #325655:W[www.debian.org] www.debian.org: Help us to help ourselves; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:18:04 UTC |
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| 22:16.05 | eeyore- | Manoj_: think of the "elitism" as price you pay for asking (sometimes stupid) questions (with sometimes certain degree of attitudes) |
| 22:16.12 | FallOnMe | Snadder: are you having problems with and isa pnp card? pnpdump -rc > /etc/isapnp.conf tries to automatically configure all the cards. I found pnpdump -r config usually worked. For me. |
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| 22:16.33 | FallOnMe | s/and/an/ |
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| 22:16.36 | Snadder | FallOnMe, ok.. thx. trying it |
| 22:17.21 | antgel | Manoj_: funny thing is it's been quiet since you brought this up. good vibes |
| 22:17.26 | Snadder | FallOnMe, but how can I test it then? |
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| 22:17.39 | FallOnMe | Snadder: restart /etc/init.d/isapnp after that (or do isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf by hand) |
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| 22:18.08 | nvz | eeyore-: grr. |
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| 22:18.12 | FallOnMe | Snadder: then try your card's driver. |
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| 22:18.25 | eeyore- | dum dee dah |
| 22:18.36 | Snadder | FallOnMe, done all that now.. which program is good to test my driver? |
| 22:18.39 | nvz | eeyore-: I am crossing over 2 rj45 couplers. easier and safer than cutting and taping together cables |
| 22:18.53 | eeyore- | nvz: *taping*? |
| 22:18.55 | FallOnMe | Snadder: I don't know, which card do you have? ;-) |
| 22:19.03 | nvz | eeyore-: if I can figure out how to make this bridge work automatically I will be set |
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| 22:19.19 | Snadder | i'm using the module snd_cs4236 |
| 22:19.20 | eeyore- | nvz: you have an rj45 crimp tool, don't you? |
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| 22:19.26 | nvz | eeyore-: yeah what you do when you dont have a $32 crimping tool and rj45 connectors |
| 22:19.40 | FallOnMe | Snadder: I meant 'try loading/modprobing the driver if necessary, then try if the card works' |
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| 22:19.53 | eeyore- | nvz: but dude, i pictured you as the dude who's got all kinds of crimp tools strapped to his utility belt |
| 22:19.54 | Snadder | FallOnMe, I got the card CSC6835 |
| 22:20.10 | FallOnMe | Snadder: a sound card. well try alsamixer or something. |
| 22:20.19 | Snadder | FallOnMe, I think the driver have been loaded all the time |
| 22:20.20 | eeyore- | nvz: we're talking a very *very* accessorized utility belt, bulging with all kinds of manly tools |
| 22:20.34 | Snadder | FallOnMe, alsamixer just returns the same error msg as always |
| 22:20.50 | Snadder | FallOnMe, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 22:20.56 | FallOnMe | Snadder: huh? I would unload it, run isapnp again, then load it again. |
| 22:21.01 | Snadder | ok:) |
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| 22:21.03 | FieldySnuts | heh isa |
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| 22:21.07 | nvz | eeyore-: I called radioshack and had them give me my options yesturday $11/ea for crossover cables, $9/ea for quick connect rj45's, $6 for a pack of crimp ons and $32 for a crimp tool. either way to make two crossovers with any of that I could buy a hub for less money and not need the bridge. I crossover these two couplers I already have and I spend nothing |
| 22:21.32 | FieldySnuts | don't buy tools at radio shack, they are mostly total shit and a rip off |
| 22:21.32 | meds | quick connect rj45, never heard of that before |
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| 22:21.53 | nvz | meds: you kind of have screw terminals you hook the wires to I guess or someting |
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| 22:22.06 | meds | that'd be huge and ugly looking |
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| 22:22.28 | eeyore- | meds: probably the rj45 sockets that slips into a custom faceplate |
| 22:22.32 | FieldySnuts | and probably ieee non-spec |
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| 22:22.34 | curby | nvz: i like getting crossover couplers and a 1-foot straight cat-5. then you can put as long a straight cat-5 on the eother end of the coupler and have a crossover cable |
| 22:22.45 | Snadder | FallOnMe, it seems like some program is using that module.. since its impossible to unload it.. |
| 22:22.54 | Snadder | FallOnMe, ERROR: Module snd_cs4236 is in use |
| 22:23.03 | FieldySnuts | cat-5 or 6 should never be shorter than 3 feet, generate errors |
| 22:23.09 | curby | that way you can go around with a single long cable and acoupler for when you need to cross wires |
| 22:23.12 | nvz | curby: yeah well I had two rj45 couplers and I made one into a crossover already I got to crossover the other |
| 22:23.18 | curby | FieldySnuts: read my entire sentence =) |
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| 22:23.33 | meds | i made a 5 inch straightthrough cable |
| 22:23.40 | MikeWasHere05 | hey guys |
| 22:23.54 | Snadder | FallOnMe, okok.. seems like some hanging modprobe process |
| 22:23.55 | MikeWasHere05 | i installed debian (first time *nix user) |
| 22:24.00 | ifvoid | hey vorlon |
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| 22:24.09 | MikeWasHere05 | and now i'm trying to install X |
| 22:24.10 | ifvoid | it's getting crowded in here ;) |
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| 22:24.15 | vorlon | ifvoid: wonder why that is... |
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| 22:24.19 | Maulkin | vorlon: Want one mailing to ya? Got a spare here :) |
| 22:24.20 | MikeWasHere05 | how would I? |
| 22:24.20 | vorlon | (wonder how long it'll last, too...) |
| 22:24.25 | asuffield | because you're suckers for punishment |
| 22:24.27 | tchino | i have delete my exim4.conf.template, how can i reinstall that |
| 22:24.34 | FallOnMe | Snadder: uh... 'lsof |grep /dev/snd' ? |
| 22:24.40 | vorlon | Maulkin: so that I can test it and confirm that it's not cat5 spec? Hardly seems worth the postage |
| 22:24.45 | nvz | MikeWasHere05: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 22:24.53 | Snadder | FallOnMe, nothing |
| 22:24.57 | Maulkin | vorlon: Well, good point. |
| 22:25.02 | nvz | MikeWasHere05: you may want to add a wm or something to that line.. X isnt very useful by itself |
| 22:25.05 | curby | nvz: not sure if we're allowed to talk about companies here, but deep surplus has been good to me with cat-5 patch cables. $3 for a 25-footer, many choices of colors setc |
| 22:25.07 | Snadder | everything I get out: modprobe 10939 root mem-w REG 3,1 22288 133151 /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236.ko |
| 22:25.12 | FallOnMe | Snadder: never mind, didn't read your 'hanging modprobe' line. |
| 22:25.20 | vorlon | MikeWasHere05: use tasksel, and choose the desktop task? |
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| 22:25.39 | FallOnMe | Snadder: kill -9 10939, if it does not work you'll have to reboot. :-| |
| 22:25.42 | MikeWasHere05 | alright |
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| 22:25.49 | MikeWasHere05 | it's a computer from '96 |
| 22:25.52 | Snadder | yep.. i'm about to reboot that box now:) |
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| 22:25.54 | nvz | curby: I dont buy stuff so doesnt matter to me. I get more crap handed to me then I know what to do with. |
| 22:25.56 | Snadder | dosnt work to kill it |
| 22:25.58 | MikeWasHere05 | and people have been saying GNOME/KDE might be too much for it |
| 22:26.01 | antgel | MikeWasHere05: you need a lightweight window manager |
| 22:26.03 | vorlon | MikeWasHere05: alternatively, you can aptitude install x-window-system-core and pick and choose the bits you want |
| 22:26.04 | MikeWasHere05 | so they suggested IceWM |
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| 22:26.32 | vorlon | MikeWasHere05: yeah, in that case you can try aptitude install x-window-system-core icewm xdm and see how that goes |
| 22:26.33 | antgel | MikeWasHere05: or fluxbox, blackbox. i use wmaker but may not be great for new user |
| 22:26.34 | nvz | curby: just got two pcs this week thats why I am in need of a bridge and crossovers |
| 22:26.45 | FallOnMe | Snadder: It's a cheap cystalsound card, right? I mean, it was cheap at the time it was bought... |
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| 22:26.56 | curby | nvz: oh ok =) |
| 22:27.02 | Snadder | FallOnMe, I guess so.. but dunno too much |
| 22:27.06 | Snadder | so long time ago |
| 22:27.07 | antgel | MikeWasHere05: could also try xfce which has reputation for being in the middle between kde/gnome bloat and minimal wm's |
| 22:27.08 | MikeWasHere05 | heh, already started apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 22:27.13 | FallOnMe | Snadder: You're prolly better off without sound. ;-) |
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| 22:27.26 | Snadder | hehe:).. maybe;p |
| 22:27.47 | stockholm | how can i ignore all the joins and parts on this channel? |
| 22:28.02 | dondelelcaro | stockholm: /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS |
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| 22:28.08 | stockholm | cool |
| 22:28.10 | FallOnMe | Snadder: if you're lucky, isapnp will do it's jos at reboot, then maybe the module will load properly. |
| 22:28.12 | Maulkin | stockholm: /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS |
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| 22:28.17 | FallOnMe | s/it's/its/ |
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| 22:28.29 | antgel | Manoj_: see, MikeWasHere05 comes along as a newbie but he has obviously done some research, gets good help |
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| 22:28.41 | Maulkin | You may want to add QUITS NICKS too |
| 22:28.43 | stockholm | clear |
| 22:28.44 | Snadder | FallOnMe, yeah.. i'm just waiting for this stone old pc to reboot.. some few mins left:) |
| 22:28.46 | MikeWasHere05 | yay? :) |
| 22:28.48 | meds | is there a way to look up what key from a keycode number? |
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| 22:29.01 | skate | hell, why not just ignore MODES and PUBLIC too? |
| 22:29.04 | skate | keep the screen blank |
| 22:29.05 | ifvoid | meds: dumpkeys? |
| 22:29.13 | FallOnMe | Snadder: turn off all irrelevant services afterwards. |
| 22:29.16 | Maulkin | skate: Sounds good :) |
| 22:29.17 | ricky_clarkson | And skate. |
| 22:29.24 | skate | yay. |
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| 22:29.30 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 22:29.30 | dpkg | -!- mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.registered] by mentor |
| 22:29.39 | ricky_clarkson | Almost topical.. |
| 22:29.44 | MikeWasHere05 | i've been working on windows forever (and by forever I mean like... 3 years, but that seems like it's been forever) |
| 22:29.45 | deltron | hey, thanks for that ignore of quits/joins/parts :D |
| 22:29.57 | MikeWasHere05 | and want to learn linux |
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| 22:30.06 | streuner | dpkg, nospambots |
| 22:30.06 | dpkg | methinks nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds |
| 22:30.28 | cusco | hi there... |
| 22:30.39 | cusco | my soundcard doesn't support sound mixing |
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| 22:30.53 | streuner | cusco: buy a emu10k1 |
| 22:31.04 | streuner | they are cheap nowadays |
| 22:31.14 | cusco | I don't know what that is |
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| 22:31.21 | bowman | sound problem solved. |
| 22:31.21 | ifvoid | cusco: http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin\ |
| 22:31.22 | cusco | I would preffer not to buy anything |
| 22:31.36 | ifvoid | without the \ |
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| 22:31.52 | Snadder | FallOnMe, yeah.. think i've turned off almost everything already |
| 22:31.52 | cusco | ifvoid: I once tried that but the sound would came out with lots of ... smal holes... |
| 22:32.10 | cusco | but Im going to try again |
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| 22:32.21 | streuner | cusco: /msg dpkg dmix |
| 22:32.23 | ifvoid | cusco: that's due to a wrong sample rate |
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| 22:33.05 | MikeWasHere05 | hmm, mouse port |
| 22:33.10 | bowman | antgel: the mic channel was set to "play" instead of "record" - funnily, this cannot be changed with aumix. well, whatever. works now, here goes headset usage for VoIP :) |
| 22:33.14 | MikeWasHere05 | it's a microsoft optical PS2 |
| 22:33.23 | MikeWasHere05 | should I just pick dev/input/mice ? |
| 22:33.28 | skate | MikeWasHere05: /dev/psaux |
| 22:33.30 | antgel | bowman: it's all in the details :) |
| 22:33.35 | MikeWasHere05 | alright, thanks =D |
| 22:33.43 | ifvoid | skate: isn't that obsolete nowadays? |
| 22:33.50 | antgel | MikeWasHere05: just for reference... |
| 22:33.51 | skate | nope. |
| 22:33.55 | antgel | !tell MikeWasHere05 about reference |
| 22:33.57 | bowman | antgel: actually I have still not found a suitable mixer, but something has obviously set the channel to record =) |
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| 22:34.05 | ifvoid | I though 2.6 used the HID layer for the mouse |
| 22:34.13 | stockholm | ifvoid: it does |
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| 22:34.19 | antgel | bowman: alsamixergui works for me, but then i never use the mixer |
| 22:34.28 | vorlon | yes, for 2.6 you want the HID layer |
| 22:34.42 | antgel | he's just installed, may be on 2.4 |
| 22:34.43 | ifvoid | stockholm: but it uses /dev/psaux nontheless? |
| 22:34.43 | gravity | vorlon! |
| 22:34.47 | bowman | antgel: alsamixergui doesn't work for me, it refuses to run. aumix and cam do work though. |
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| 22:35.01 | stockholm | ifvoid: i also use dev/input/mice, i dont know |
| 22:35.07 | skate | i'm using /dev/psaux on the 2.6 kernel. |
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| 22:35.19 | stockholm | skate: i guess it is still around |
| 22:35.23 | ifvoid | ok, I guess it still works then |
| 22:35.25 | antgel | bowman: odd. how about alsamixer? |
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| 22:35.51 | vorlon | gravity! your build-conflicts are the sux0r, xorg-x11 is failing to build on arm because smackdown doesn't recognize upgrading as a solution. :/ |
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| 22:36.03 | gravity | Grrrrr |
| 22:36.09 | FieldySnuts | ~troll vorlon |
| 22:36.11 | apt | ACTION hereby declares vorlon a troll |
| 22:36.13 | gravity | I thought it was an arm problem |
| 22:36.20 | gravity | Let me look at the log again |
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| 22:36.22 | streuner | haha |
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| 22:36.43 | FieldySnuts | cigo: don't do that. |
| 22:36.49 | FieldySnuts | asshat ctcp pinged me 9 times |
| 22:36.49 | bowman | antgel: same |
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| 22:37.14 | FieldySnuts | :/ |
| 22:37.14 | bowman | antgel: sry. alsamixer has the same problem. :) |
| 22:37.30 | stockholm | is FieldySnuts a bot? |
| 22:37.34 | Ronin | FieldySnuts: return the favor :) |
| 22:37.39 | stockholm | can we shut it down? |
| 22:37.40 | FieldySnuts | no, I only cuddle with Phated |
| 22:37.44 | gravity | vorlon: I'll have you know that that build-conflict is from Branden :-) |
| 22:37.45 | Phated | Rawr. |
| 22:37.49 | FieldySnuts | stockholm: yes, with /ignore FieldySnuts*!*@* all |
| 22:37.52 | vorlon | gravity: I tried to give it back once, but smackdown picked it up both times |
| 22:37.59 | gravity | ffs |
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| 22:38.33 | antgel | bowman: you in the audio group? |
| 22:38.42 | gravity | vorlon: What's smackdown? |
| 22:38.53 | gravity | stockholm: No, just a troll. The usual. |
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| 22:39.06 | stockholm | gravity: yes, i noticed. |
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| 22:39.26 | stockholm | gravity: an arm machine, perhaps? |
| 22:39.29 | vorlon | gravity: one of the arm buildds; the one with the old version of l-k-h installed. |
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| 22:39.38 | gravity | Ah, ok |
| 22:40.07 | gravity | Is there anything I can do about it? l-k-h needs to be upgraded or it will FTBFS |
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| 22:40.28 | stockholm | gravity: mail the d-admins |
| 22:40.33 | gravity | stockholm: Ok, thanks |
| 22:40.57 | gravity | Somehow I thought it was my fault again :-) |
| 22:41.11 | stockholm | or the debian buildd admin responsible for smackdown |
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| 22:41.27 | bowman | antgel: yeah, I am in the audio group |
| 22:41.31 | vorlon | gravity: yes, a build-depend (which is actually what you have, AFAIK?) will pull in the new version on the buildd; a build-conflict just gets sbuild to laugh at you. :) |
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| 22:41.46 | gravity | Ugh, Ok |
| 22:41.53 | vorlon | but the buildd admin should also be able to fix this, so don't bother reuploading just for this issue. |
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| 22:41.58 | gravity | Ok, sounds good |
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| 22:42.47 | stockholm | gravity: sledge might be the buildd admin |
| 22:42.54 | stockholm | not sure, though |
| 22:43.03 | gravity | stockholm: Ok, if I see him on irc I'll ping him. Thanks. |
| 22:43.29 | stockholm | gravity: you can most likely find him on #debian-uk |
| 22:43.34 | crn | under sarge, for a normal user DISPLAY is set to :0, but when i su to root it's not set to anything. what do i (re)configure to fix this? |
| 22:43.36 | stockholm | gravity: they speak english there. |
| 22:43.37 | gravity | Aha |
| 22:43.39 | gravity | Ha! |
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| 22:44.13 | stockholm | crn: a simple fix is to ssh to root: ssh -X root |
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| 22:44.26 | ifvoid | crn: or to use sudo instead of su |
| 22:44.27 | stockholm | crn: that will set the DISPLAY correctly |
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| 22:44.49 | crn | stockholm, ifvoid thanks |
| 22:44.53 | ifvoid | or sudo -s, if you want a shell |
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| 22:46.40 | FallOnMe | hi, ssh -X to a machine stopped working some time ago on a machine, the xauth cookie seems not to be set up correctly any more. Can anyone help? |
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| 22:47.42 | vorlon | FallOnMe: do you have xbase-clients installed? |
| 22:48.13 | redguy | I have a hosting service that has an email server running and a bunch of accounts there. I want to run a mail server in my LAN. I wanted to run fetchmail so that incoming messages coming to the hosting service's accounts would be fetched for local users. |
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| 22:48.22 | Rucas | what's a good x11 file browser |
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| 22:48.31 | streuner | gentoo |
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| 22:48.34 | gravity | Rucas: nautilus :-) |
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| 22:48.39 | FieldySnuts | heh run nmap today, it's its birthday and says so :P |
| 22:48.39 | FallOnMe | vorlon: yes. even DISPLAY get set up, but trying to eg. xdpyinfo results in "X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication." |
| 22:48.43 | Rucas | gravity, besides nautilus heh |
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| 22:48.44 | EdLin | Rucas: /bin/bash |
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| 22:48.54 | gravity | Rucas: I'd go with gentoo too then |
| 22:48.55 | streuner | gravity: how much RAM do you have? ;-) |
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| 22:48.58 | Rucas | ??? |
| 22:49.00 | vorlon | FallOnMe: does your sshd_config allow X forwarding? |
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| 22:49.02 | gravity | streuner: I don't remember :-) |
| 22:49.04 | FieldySnuts | fucking bots |
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| 22:49.11 | gravity | Rucas: It was a file browser before it was a distro |
| 22:49.16 | Rucas | oh haha |
| 22:49.17 | vorlon | it's possible to disable X forwarding on the server side, and I think it may even have been a default, even though it doesn't seem at all sensible to me. |
| 22:49.22 | streuner | FieldySnuts: use nospambot.pl then |
| 22:49.25 | FallOnMe | vorlon: yes. |
| 22:49.43 | FieldySnuts | streuner: what's it run in, and what does it do? |
| 22:49.44 | vorlon | FallOnMe: no idea then, sorry. IWFM. |
| 22:49.46 | streuner | !info gentoo |
| 22:49.49 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.46-1 (sid), Packaged size: 741 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB |
| 22:49.57 | redguy | How would I configure the MTA so that messages sent by local users to external e-mail addresses would be sent through the hosting service's server? |
| 22:49.57 | Manoj_ | 2.6.13 and nvidia drivers seem not so happy together |
| 22:49.59 | Rucas | i'm just looking for something to complement DR17 as a file browser |
| 22:50.00 | Rucas | heh |
| 22:50.02 | streuner | FieldySnuts: /msg dpkg nospambots |
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| 22:50.09 | bdale | Manoj_: working fine on my tc1100 |
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| 22:50.13 | FieldySnuts | ok |
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| 22:50.30 | bdale | Manoj_: the 7676 version from nvidia |
| 22:50.46 | streuner | wth are DD's here in #debian, is there a certain reason? |
| 22:51.03 | Manoj_ | bdale: I have this geforce 4 card on the dell latitude laptop, and X.org fails with that error |
| 22:51.04 | stockholm | redguy: that depends on the MTA |
| 22:51.04 | Phated | They have the right to IRC? =) |
| 22:51.10 | gravity | I'm always in here :-p |
| 22:51.16 | streuner | Phated: hehe |
| 22:51.28 | FallOnMe | vorlon: What's IWFM? ;-) |
| 22:51.32 | vorlon | FallOnMe: it works for me |
| 22:51.37 | bdale | Manoj_: I must have missed the error |
| 22:51.38 | Rucas | when i install nautilus all the icons are missing, how can I fix it? i'm not running a full gnome desktop, just enlightenment, but i need a full-featured file browser like nautilus |
| 22:51.45 | Manoj_ | aha. I have 7174 from nvidia-kernel-source packages in Sid |
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| 22:52.19 | Manoj_ | somePriest, all I need to do is to upgrade the nvidia driver version, or wait until the version in Sid is upgraded |
| 22:52.19 | gravity | Manoj_: Just out of curiosity, do you need the 3d acceleration or do you just want the transparency? |
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| 22:52.26 | bdale | Manoj_: I typically run latest kernel.org + latest nvidia + madwifi cvs + latest pcmcia-cs all built from upstream on my tablet |
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| 22:52.29 | vorlon | streuner: because once again the fact that certain people on this channel are chronic assholes and making Debian look bad has bubbled up to our attention. |
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| 22:52.36 | stockholm | redguy: you could configure special transports, depending on destinations |
| 22:52.37 | redguy | stockholm: I mean generally the idea or a pointer to docs that would make me understand how this could be achieved. Do I want setting the local MTA with some kind of relay_server=external.mail.server ? |
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| 22:52.46 | Manoj_ | gravity: well, acceleration -- |
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| 22:52.51 | bdale | Manoj_: I use prebuilt kernels and such on my production systems, but none of them need X servers |
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| 22:53.14 | stockholm | redguy: most likely you want your internal mail delivered internally and mail to extern delivered externally. |
| 22:53.14 | Manoj_ | gravity: transparency is nice, but I rarely run with xcompmgr, as it is slow as molasses |
| 22:53.20 | gravity | Manoj_: The final release of 6.9 should at least get you fast transparency with the nv driver, although no 3d still |
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| 22:53.26 | gravity | Yeah |
| 22:53.32 | Mozillion | gravity: and ati? :) |
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| 22:53.37 | FieldySnuts | heh atiu |
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| 22:53.41 | streuner | vorlon: well, i didn't see you many times here. |
| 22:53.47 | stockholm | redguy: i am not aware of a generic resource which describes this problem/setup |
| 22:53.47 | gravity | Mozillion: It should too, but that doesn't seem to be as far along |
| 22:53.48 | xwolf | vorlon: exactly :) |
| 22:53.53 | stockholm | redguy: but it is rather basic |
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| 22:54.14 | stockholm | redguy: it just requires you to understand your onw flow of email. |
| 22:54.24 | Mozillion | gravity: more interested in working DVI and non-rectangular merge FB really.. I saw patches going into CVS but no idea what got in 6.9.. |
| 22:54.28 | antgel | was there a split just now? |
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| 22:54.55 | streuner | antgel: prolly not, look at the user-list - 494 .... |
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| 22:54.57 | stockholm | redguy: i use postfix and have a smarthost set to point at my hosting provide's smtp machine |
| 22:55.03 | gravity | Mozillion: I don't know, I haven't had time to follow CVS in detail really. Once I can start seriously tracking it, I'll know more about what's going on. |
| 22:55.08 | antgel | streuner: yeah. weird. |
| 22:55.09 | FieldySnuts | it's usually at 700 or more, however |
| 22:55.13 | gravity | Mozillion: The whole X thing is so big, I'm still trying to just get things done |
| 22:55.13 | redguy | stockholm: yup, but I want the external mail to go through the external server, so that the external recipient thinks that the mail has been sent from the hostind service's accounts |
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| 22:55.21 | vorlon | streuner: hrm? |
| 22:55.22 | antgel | Manoj_: you about? did you read my comments? |
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| 22:55.29 | redguy | stockholm: I'm a slow typer:/ |
| 22:55.36 | stockholm | redguy: then set up a samarthost |
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| 22:55.42 | stockholm | blah |
| 22:55.43 | Mozillion | gravity: I know, I know.. wasn't able to track it either.. I just heard tv out might work even with the current version :) didn't know.. |
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| 22:55.54 | Manoj_ | antgel, I had to leave for a bit, and on this channel, backscroll is crazy |
| 22:56.00 | gravity | Mozillion: Well, 6.9rc0 is almost ready, so you can try it :-) |
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| 22:56.08 | tchino | how can i reinstall exim4.template from debian sarge |
| 22:56.08 | stockholm | redguy: i mean: configure the external server as a smarthost on your external mail gateway |
| 22:56.33 | Mozillion | gravity: I'll try once ppc version is in exp |
| 22:56.35 | redguy | stockholm: What about auth? |
| 22:56.56 | antgel | Manoj_: balls. i had to quite my client so can't /lastlog. do you still care? i can try to enumeratte my thoughts again |
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| 22:57.06 | ayeyen | Hey. I have a speedtouch ADSL USB modem. How can i use it from Debian? |
| 22:57.08 | gravity | Mozillion: Feel free to build it! I need help from porters. PPC will FTBFS now, and I need those logs. |
| 22:57.09 | stockholm | redguy: what about it? do you want some kind of auth for use of a relay? |
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| 22:57.16 | Manoj_ | antgel: please do. there are others around now who were not before who would be interested |
| 22:57.20 | FieldySnuts | ayeyen: use the ethernet port. if it doesn't have one, replace it. |
| 22:58.04 | Mozillion | gravity: I'll ask someone else for that.. my ppc is not that fast :) |
| 22:58.09 | stockholm | FieldySnuts: your help is mostly unhelpfull |
| 22:58.15 | gravity | Mozillion: Heh, Ok :-) |
| 22:58.17 | antgel | Manoj_: firstly, i raised a bug on this a couple of days ago which i would be very happy for people to add their thoughts too. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325655 |
| 22:58.19 | ricky_clarkson | stockholm: That's nothing new. |
| 22:58.31 | stockholm | FieldySnuts: please go play elsewhere |
| 22:58.35 | FieldySnuts | stockholm: /ignore FieldySnuts*!*@* , for the second time. getting those to work in linux is almost impossible,t hey are designed for windows. |
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| 22:58.40 | FieldySnuts | stockholm: be a big boy and use /ignore. |
| 22:58.40 | Manoj_ | antgel: I read that |
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| 22:58.46 | streuner | stockhelm: wtf |
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| 22:59.00 | stockholm | FieldySnuts: please behave yourself |
| 22:59.02 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: You could simply not talk to him. |
| 22:59.08 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: starting to do that, thaks :) |
| 22:59.12 | streuner | stockhelm: i didn't see you here many times either |
| 22:59.15 | asuffield | stockholm: frankly, FieldySnuts is more use here than you've ever been. you may get away with picking fights in Debian but you won't here |
| 22:59.24 | Manoj_ | FieldySnuts: all of the channel collectively ignoring you is caled a ban |
| 22:59.42 | streuner | do your work, and wir do ours |
| 22:59.47 | streuner | s/wir/we/ |
| 22:59.48 | antgel | Manoj_: good. there are a lot of people coming in here who do not have a clue, and who could find their answers on google or www.debian.org with no problem at all. i think we don't mind helping anyone, but they need to show that they've tried to help themselves first. |
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| 22:59.53 | ricky_clarkson | I don't ignore anybody in IRC, I don't give up on people that easily. |
| 23:00.02 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
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| 23:00.21 | antgel | Manoj_: next, it's the frustration factor. 95% of the questions are the same five things, and they are all _easily_ avoidable |
| 23:00.25 | FieldySnuts | sorry for my reaction, i should have calmed down sooner. |
| 23:00.37 | stockholm | yes. |
| 23:00.45 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: I didn't see it, but it sounds good now. |
| 23:00.51 | Manoj_ | antgel, there is no issue is gently leading people to FAQs/HOWTO's, I would think. I know some peoeple think that is impolite, but a redirect should be fine |
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| 23:01.15 | FieldySnuts | Phated: how is school? |
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| 23:01.19 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: google for "intitle:index.of soca mp3" and have as much fun as I have. If not more. |
| 23:01.19 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Brilliant. |
| 23:01.37 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Long time no ****. |
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| 23:01.42 | Phated | Ello, ricky_clarkson. |
| 23:01.45 | redguy | stockholm: hrm, the external mail transport most propably won't accept relayed messages. I was thinking of a mapping like: "send mail from localuser@internal.localdomain as externaluser@mail.hosting_service.com, password=secret" for each local user |
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| 23:02.04 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Quel heure a t'il? |
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| 23:02.15 | antgel | Manoj_: with the best will in the world, when the umpteenth person comes in complaining that they have broken their sarge / sid / potato / kubuntu / amigaos hybrid box, it's frustrating. mostly because as experienced debian users, we believe that it's obvious. |
| 23:02.27 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Wie Wertel ist das? |
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| 23:02.32 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: I do not understand you. |
| 23:02.40 | dondelelcaro | antgel: when you can't help a new user, just /ignore them. |
| 23:02.41 | antgel | Manoj_: but it's not obvious. there is no indication to a newbie that running testing or unstable is a bad idea. |
| 23:02.43 | stockholm | redguy: what kind of external mail transport is that? is it your provider's? |
| 23:02.44 | redguy | stockholm: mail.hosting_service.com is a remote host for me |
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| 23:02.52 | dondelelcaro | antgel: far better to ignore them than to respond in an unhelpful way. |
| 23:02.57 | antgel | dondelelcaro: i often do. |
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| 23:03.02 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: What time is it (for you)? |
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| 23:03.04 | Manoj_ | antgel: when that happens to me, I go away for a bit. Not getting an answer is seen as worse than getting an unuseable answer |
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| 23:03.12 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: 0702. |
| 23:03.14 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Ni hao ma |
| 23:03.14 | MikeWasHere05 | xfce is working =D |
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| 23:03.21 | FieldySnuts | ~singlishsmite Phated |
| 23:03.22 | MikeWasHere05 | problem tho |
| 23:03.22 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Yes, very, thank you. |
| 23:03.24 | FieldySnuts | damnit |
| 23:03.26 | bdale | there's really no option. if you're impolite to new users here, it reflects poorly on all of us. |
| 23:03.28 | Phated | FieldySnuts: dpkg, dear. |
| 23:03.30 | MikeWasHere05 | the "web browser" is more like a terminal window |
| 23:03.33 | FieldySnuts | Phated: i can't. |
| 23:03.38 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Heheh. |
| 23:03.39 | antgel | dondelelcaro: and _far_ better still if they were directed to the docs before they installed, not to mention the docs on running the system |
| 23:03.39 | MikeWasHere05 | how would I install like... firefox? |
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| 23:04.04 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: I'm glad you're not top of the #debian usage rankings anymore, it's probably healthy that you're not. |
| 23:04.07 | atom-z | MikeWasHere05, try apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
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| 23:04.23 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: How are you doing in general? |
| 23:04.23 | streuner | bdale: well, who? |
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| 23:04.25 | Manoj_ | antgel, the topic has pointers to the docs already; I don't think you can make people reads them |
| 23:04.27 | dondelelcaro | antgel: that's part and parcel of helping out users; helping with their problem, and educating them so they're in a position to solve their next problem on their own. |
| 23:04.30 | atom-z | where are the #debian usage rankings? |
| 23:04.34 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Heh. Well, school and all's up again. I'm excellent, thanks. Poly's a wonderful atmosphere. |
| 23:04.38 | ricky_clarkson | !debstatws |
| 23:04.39 | bdale | streuner: I don't understand your question. |
| 23:04.40 | ricky_clarkson | !debstats |
| 23:04.40 | dpkg | hmm... debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 23:04.43 | antgel | bdale: it's not an impolite thing. nobody gets their arse kicked at first but then people get frustrated. |
| 23:04.54 | streuner | bdale: how you can say some people are impolite? |
| 23:04.55 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Poly as in polytechnic? |
| 23:04.55 | Phated | I've fallen off debstats, I think. |
| 23:04.58 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Aye. |
| 23:05.03 | MikeWasHere05 | apt-get mozilla-firefox doesn't work |
| 23:05.04 | jethro | !beer me |
| 23:05.08 | FieldySnuts | ~doesn't work |
| 23:05.09 | apt | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 23:05.13 | redguy | stockholm: still with me? |
| 23:05.17 | antgel | dondelelcaro: yes, helping and educating them. which is why the docs should be more obvious as apparently they aren't |
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| 23:05.21 | jethro | dpkg: literal cmd: beer (.*?) |
| 23:05.21 | dpkg | CMD: beer (.*?) is ($1): <action> (blesses $1 with a Yuengling Lager|cracks open a can of Boddingtons for $1|pours a thick, black pint of Guinness for $1, to be sure|deftly decants a fine La Maudite for $1) |
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| 23:05.23 | ricky_clarkson | streuner: "Some fucking people are rude fucking cunts" - like that? |
| 23:05.25 | Manoj_ | antgel, but the nth newbie coming in here does not know about the n-1 people here before them, and hence the impression of rudeness |
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| 23:05.44 | stockholm | redguy: if the external mail transport is from your provider it knows the ip range you are on and accepts mail from that range |
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| 23:05.47 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: tu sont francais, oui? |
| 23:05.56 | jethro | dpkg: literal cmd: beer =~ s/lager|/blesses $1 with a triple van westmalle|/ |
| 23:05.56 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'literal cmd: beer' to modify, jethro |
| 23:06.00 | gravity | I haven't checked debstats in ages. I used to be way up there. |
| 23:06.03 | FallOnMe | Manoj_: fwiw, I think that www.debian.org/releases/ doesn't stress enough the problems with using unstable. AFAICT the inexperienced users are not aware that installing just one package from unstable can, via dependencies, effectively turn the installation into sid (or testing), with all the consequences. This is, for me, the most visible discrepancy between the newbies and the locals on the channel, knowing of the implications of running unstable. |
| 23:06.05 | antgel | Manoj_: fine, but they should know not to take things personally. |
| 23:06.05 | jethro | dpkg: literal cmd: beer (.*?) =~ s/lager|/blesses $1 with a triple van westmalle|/ |
| 23:06.05 | dpkg | jethro: i didn't have anything called 'literal cmd: beer (.*?)' to modify |
| 23:06.10 | stockholm | redguy: yes, but i dont really see the problem |
| 23:06.14 | jethro | wtf |
| 23:06.18 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: remove 'literal'. |
| 23:06.23 | jethro | ah yes |
| 23:06.26 | jethro | I must be too drunk |
| 23:06.32 | jethro | dpkg: cmd: beer (.*?) =~ s/lager|/blesses $1 with a triple van westmalle|/ |
| 23:06.32 | dpkg | OK, jethro |
| 23:06.33 | ricky_clarkson | !moronsmite jethro |
| 23:06.38 | jethro | dpkg: botsnack |
| 23:06.39 | dondelelcaro | and please don't modify that factoid unless you know what you're doing. |
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| 23:06.48 | jethro | dondelelcaro: I apologize for being drunk |
| 23:06.49 | antgel | Manoj_: the fact is there is a lack of information on fundamental aspects of the distro. what FallOnMe said |
| 23:06.56 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: I'm drunk too. |
| 23:06.56 | FieldySnuts | there is? |
| 23:06.59 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: :) |
| 23:07.06 | jethro | @aussiesmite FieldySnuts |
| 23:07.07 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
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| 23:07.12 | FieldySnuts | why's it always say that now :( |
| 23:07.16 | jethro | why the hell does it always say that |
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| 23:07.22 | Manoj_ | FallOnMe, I'm reading what the releases say right now |
| 23:07.24 | jethro | ravenbird: you need more randomness |
| 23:07.25 | ravenbird | jethro: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:07.25 | antgel | Manoj_: we're perhaps too stigmatized by woofy having an "old" reputation, to point out the dangers |
| 23:07.25 | FieldySnuts | I don't know either, it worked fine before |
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| 23:07.31 | FieldySnuts | apt has it too |
| 23:07.33 | Dreamer3 | is there a way to get a total dependency tree of packages needed for a package? |
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| 23:07.39 | redguy | stockholm: external mail transport is not a service from my provider. It doesn't know anything of my network. It is a WWW + e-mail hosting service, with e-mail accesible through web interface and pop3. |
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| 23:07.41 | JosephSpiros | I currently use gShield to do NAT and port fowarding and whatnot, does anyone have any recommendations for perhaps something better? |
| 23:07.43 | bdale | FallOnMe: interesting point. in the past, the lack of security support for testing meant that anyone who wanted something fresher than stable ended up running unstable. it's much less clear that anyone who isn't a developer or expert user should be running unstable now. |
| 23:07.47 | FieldySnuts | ~aussiesmite jethro |
| 23:07.49 | vorlon | FallOnMe: so perhaps it would be a good idea to suggest improvements to the Debian website, instead of taking frustrations out on newbies? |
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| 23:07.50 | jethro | :beer FieldySnuts |
| 23:07.53 | FieldySnuts | gah |
| 23:07.55 | jethro | !beer FieldySnuts |
| 23:07.56 | FieldySnuts | stop deleiting my shit |
| 23:07.57 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: lay off the bots, please. |
| 23:07.59 | antgel | vorlon: that's what i did |
| 23:08.01 | petemc_ | Dreamer3: apt-rdepends |
| 23:08.02 | FieldySnuts | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 23:08.13 | antgel | vorlon: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325655 |
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| 23:08.18 | jethro | FieldySnuts: I didn't delete anything did I? |
| 23:08.19 | stockholm | redguy: then check out if it does smtp-after-pop.... |
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| 23:08.22 | FieldySnuts | JosephSpiros: ipkungfu . weird name but a bit more configurable |
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| 23:08.30 | Dreamer3 | petemc_: hmmm |
| 23:08.31 | stockholm | redguy: i guess you meant that with "auth"? |
| 23:08.36 | Dreamer3 | petemc_: is that not part of default apt? |
| 23:08.37 | Manoj_ | antgel: for the longest time, debian targeted itself at people who were self actualized, and were, to an extent, power users; I think the underlying state of documentation still reflects that |
| 23:08.37 | jethro | darn I screwed up the beer factoid |
| 23:08.38 | user1 | excuse me, what is the difference between debian and ubuntu? |
| 23:08.39 | ricky_clarkson | SimonRaven: Is ravenbird you girlfriend? |
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| 23:08.39 | vorlon | antgel: thank you. |
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| 23:08.42 | user1 | Is there a difference? |
| 23:08.42 | JosephSpiros | FieldySnuts: thanks :) |
| 23:08.43 | antgel | furthermore, a large percentage of people get a lot of help. but human nature says they don't make their feelings known |
| 23:08.45 | Dreamer3 | got it |
| 23:08.45 | vorlon | antgel: btw, what is "The Reference"? |
| 23:08.52 | streuner | user1: troll somewhere else. |
| 23:08.52 | antgel | vorlon: heh |
| 23:08.56 | user1 | ...? |
| 23:08.57 | FieldySnuts | you guys are looking too deep into this, it's not that complex |
| 23:08.59 | antgel | !tell vorlon about reference |
| 23:09.00 | Manoj_ | user1, ubuntu is a distribution based on debian, that is close to what debian is |
| 23:09.02 | gravity | user1: Yes. Ubuntu is derived from Debian. It's a separate project. |
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| 23:09.20 | user1 | But in the same faced, it's all the same correct? |
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| 23:09.29 | Manoj_ | user1, ubuntu is perhaps 99% debian, and even though the rest is heavily customized, it is still baed on debian packages. |
| 23:09.34 | FallOnMe | vorlon: Agreed. |
| 23:09.41 | asuffield | user1: no. they are two different systems. if you want to talk about ubuntu, go to #ubuntu |
| 23:09.50 | antgel | Manoj_: i hear you. we are in a great position to get a new audience. our experience here shows that a lot of the new audience aren't getting the help they need at the beginning. |
| 23:09.51 | user1 | .... Okay I'm confused |
| 23:09.57 | user1 | Monoj says it's the same 99% |
| 23:09.58 | streuner | user1: just install debian |
| 23:09.58 | vorlon | antgel: erm... ok, a document I've never even heard of, which makes it hard for me to evaluate whether it's a good thing to refer people to it. :) |
| 23:10.00 | Manoj_ | user1, however, it is a distinct distribution in its own right, with its own support channels and every thing, a separate bug tracking system, and the lot |
| 23:10.02 | jethro | dpkg: literal cmd: beer (.*?) |
| 23:10.02 | user1 | you say it's difference. |
| 23:10.02 | stockholm | user1: there is an #ubuntu channel, too, for asking ubuntu specific questions |
| 23:10.05 | streuner | !d-i user1 |
| 23:10.06 | jethro | gah |
| 23:10.08 | dpkg | user1, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:10.13 | antgel | atom-z: MikeWasHere05 : back me up here, are you happy with the help in here? |
| 23:10.17 | jethro | dondelelcaro: dpkg ignores me :'( |
| 23:10.17 | user1 | Thanks. |
| 23:10.18 | antgel | vorlon: you're a DD? |
| 23:10.19 | user1 | :-) |
| 23:10.22 | ricky_clarkson | SimonRaven: Also, I meant *your*, not 'you'. And ravenbird's aussiesmite sucks, wrt 'bog'. |
| 23:10.25 | atom-z | antgel, yes |
| 23:10.27 | JosephSpiros | user1: It's more like 66% debian. Ubuntu uses debian's package system, and has a similar package archive to Debian |
| 23:10.28 | Gathond | user1: 99% similiar is not identical you know :) |
| 23:10.30 | streuner | jethro: you must identified |
| 23:10.31 | asuffield | user1: Manoj is just being pedantic. the important distinction is that debian is here and ubuntu is over there |
| 23:10.35 | gravity | antgel: If you're using sarge, you owe a lot to vorlon :-) |
| 23:10.37 | FieldySnuts | you will get help here if you are willing to learn, take a little abuse, and can read, as well as follow instructions |
| 23:10.39 | jethro | streuner: I am now :) |
| 23:10.43 | user1 | user1: It's more like 66% debian. Ubuntu uses debian's package system, and has a similar package archive to Debian |
| 23:10.44 | streuner | uhm |
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| 23:10.47 | user1 | user1: 99% similiar is not identical you know :) |
| 23:10.48 | atom-z | antgel, because people such as you and greycat *REALLY* know what you're talking about |
| 23:10.48 | user1 | Ok? |
| 23:10.51 | antgel | vorlon: if you're a DD and don't know about the reference, what chance does bob newbie have? |
| 23:10.51 | FieldySnuts | if you are missing one of those, lots of luck to you |
| 23:10.52 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: What area of the South are you in? |
| 23:10.53 | user1 | I'm confused.. |
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| 23:10.58 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: uhh, what? |
| 23:11.00 | antgel | atom-z: tell them not me :) |
| 23:11.03 | antgel | !beer atom-z |
| 23:11.04 | user1 | :-) Who is correct? |
| 23:11.11 | antgel | gravity: i'm sure |
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| 23:11.18 | thingfish | !gin and tonic me |
| 23:11.18 | jethro | dpkg: literal cmd: beer (.*?) |
| 23:11.23 | jethro | wtf |
| 23:11.23 | Manoj_ | user1, Some people prefer Ubuntu, since it apparently is better optimized for the end user; and it essentially takes debian unstable every 6 months and works at easing out the rogh corners |
| 23:11.24 | MikeWasHere05 | the help is good in here |
| 23:11.24 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Just wondering how difficult arranging a <strike>shooting</strike>key-signing would be. |
| 23:11.25 | vorlon | antgel: yes. |
| 23:11.26 | MikeWasHere05 | =D |
| 23:11.28 | orchid | antgel: do you seriously feel theres not enough Debian documentation/books/howto's and user guides? |
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| 23:11.35 | user1 | Hahaha thanks J. |
| 23:11.36 | user1 | :) |
| 23:11.38 | jrog|home | user1: Debian and Ubuntu are similar, because the latter is based on the former |
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| 23:11.39 | jethro | dpkg: HOW DARE YOU IGNORE A FRENCH DRUNK DEBIAN USER?!111 |
| 23:11.47 | Gathond | user1: probably none, its just numbers pulled out of a hat:) the point is that they are somewhat but not quite the same |
| 23:11.52 | thingfish | yay! for drunk french debian users! |
| 23:11.54 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: oh, now I see. southamptonish |
| 23:12.01 | user1 | :) |
| 23:12.04 | thingfish | and yay! for semi-drunk american debian users! |
| 23:12.05 | antgel | orchid: it's not the quantity, it's more the fact that they aren't dangled in the face of newbies enough |
| 23:12.14 | jrog|home | user1: Both distributions have different strong points |
| 23:12.14 | user1 | Yes it's better for me to run debian on some old system. |
| 23:12.15 | user1 | Thanks a lot. |
| 23:12.16 | user1 | :) |
| 23:12.20 | user1 | all of you. |
| 23:12.21 | tchino | i get the message: Can't send mail: sendmail process failed with error code 1, waht happens now |
| 23:12.28 | streuner | jethro: wait, i'll go into kitchen... ;-) |
| 23:12.34 | gravity | antgel: The big problem is that no one has sat down to write a great set of comprehensive documentation that can be dangled in front of newbies. |
| 23:12.39 | Manoj_ | antgel, if anyone knows what a debian release is, it is likely to be vorlon |
| 23:12.58 | jethro | thingfish: hello :) |
| 23:12.58 | asuffield | gravity: well, the *real* problem is that they wouldn't read it and even if they did, they wouldn't understand it, if somebody did bother to write it |
| 23:13.00 | gravity | antgel: It's something I've wanted to see, but I don't have the time. If you want to work on it, I'd love to see you do it. |
| 23:13.05 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Does Debian accept any keysignings with Gentoo users? |
| 23:13.06 | gravity | asuffield: That's sadly true too I think |
| 23:13.12 | vorlon | antgel: well, yes, I quite agree that users aren't likely to find out about the Debian Reference on their own if it's not prominently linked from the website. I can't comment on whether the Debian Reference in particular is documentation we should be pushing towards users, not having read it. |
| 23:13.13 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: s/users/developers/ |
| 23:13.14 | thingfish | hey there, jethro my good old drinking buddy. |
| 23:13.17 | gravity | ricky_clarkson: No |
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| 23:13.29 | antgel | gravity: what is? |
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| 23:13.35 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: Debian will accept anything that convinces the DAM you are who you say you are. generally that only means developers |
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| 23:13.42 | MikeWasHere05 | heh, dumb question here |
| 23:13.44 | MikeWasHere05 | buuut |
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| 23:13.50 | MikeWasHere05 | how do i go to a website? |
| 23:13.52 | antgel | vorlon: well, we need some sort of manual, and that's the closest thing post-install |
| 23:13.52 | gravity | antgel: Good comprehensive docs. Feel free to write something to dangle in front of users. |
| 23:13.54 | streuner | jethro: cheers |
| 23:13.55 | MikeWasHere05 | i open up www-browser |
| 23:13.56 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: ou en france est ton origine? |
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| 23:14.06 | stockholm | antgel: there are really nice debian books nowerdays |
| 23:14.07 | ricky_clarkson | MikeWasHere05: x-www-browser thewebsite |
| 23:14.08 | antgel | gravity: the reference is a good starting point imo |
| 23:14.09 | eLeK | hi; is there any cd burning program for gnome?? |
| 23:14.10 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: I live in paris :) |
| 23:14.10 | orchid | maybe madduck can gpl his book |
| 23:14.11 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: but there's like 90 developers in the UK, it's not hard |
| 23:14.15 | gravity | antgel: It's too big and not tutorial-like. |
| 23:14.17 | cj | What's a good way to do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade nightly? :) |
| 23:14.22 | cj | I've never been good with cron. |
| 23:14.22 | stockholm | antgel: a lot of them even under a free llicense, to print out at home |
| 23:14.24 | gravity | antgel: It's, as it says, a reference. You can get that from manpages. |
| 23:14.29 | thingfish | ooh yummy |
| 23:14.34 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Do you know whether there's any in/around Manchester, or anywhere I can find out? |
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| 23:14.37 | jethro | bowmore is good! |
| 23:14.38 | Manoj_ | MikeWasHere05, well, you start a web browser like firefox, or konqueror, or something, and type in the web site address in the location bar |
| 23:14.39 | antgel | stockholm: maybe, but they're not visible enough to new users |
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| 23:14.44 | dondelelcaro | gravity: nah, the reference is quite a bit more complete than that |
| 23:14.49 | MikeWasHere05 | haha Manoj |
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| 23:14.52 | MikeWasHere05 | i'm trying to get firefox |
| 23:14.53 | bowman | n8 everyone |
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| 23:15.01 | MikeWasHere05 | i just installed xfce, and all it has is www-browser |
| 23:15.04 | dondelelcaro | gravity: it's more akin to a meta manpage with useful pointers to all sorts of other manpages |
| 23:15.05 | eLeK | hi; is there any cd burning program for gnome?? |
| 23:15.05 | MikeWasHere05 | (thanks btw ricky, it worked) |
| 23:15.10 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: I'm likely to go down to Farnham occasionally. |
| 23:15.13 | antgel | gravity: not really there's a little more to it and newbies and man pages don't go together, as much as we'd like them to |
| 23:15.15 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Interesting. I haven't looked at it in a while |
| 23:15.19 | cj | eLeK: sure. apt-cache search record |
| 23:15.21 | stockholm | eLeK: try gcombust |
| 23:15.23 | gravity | antgel: How would you suggest it get dangled, as it were? |
| 23:15.25 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: I can look... |
| 23:15.29 | antgel | gravity: it's the closest thing to a debian manual |
| 23:15.29 | gravity | That's another issue I haven't solved |
| 23:15.31 | FallOnMe | cj: cron is the exact tool you want, though. ;-) |
| 23:15.38 | streuner | eLeK: k3b works in GNOME too |
| 23:15.40 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: So can I if you tell me where.. |
| 23:15.40 | cj | FallOnMe: I figure as much. :) |
| 23:15.43 | thingfish | I want a T-shirt that says "Read the man page." |
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| 23:15.54 | Manoj_ | MikeWasHere05, apt-get install mizilla-firefox may help |
| 23:15.59 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: the database isn't public |
| 23:16.01 | dondelelcaro | but the Debian Bible and Madduck's Debian Operating System book are probably as good as you're going to find for dead tree manuals |
| 23:16.10 | streuner | thingfish: similar t-shirts are at kernelconcepts.de |
| 23:16.13 | FallOnMe | cj: although you might want to reconsider running unattended apt-get upgrade from cron. |
| 23:16.15 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: I took a photo a couple of weeks ago of a car numberplate reading PHP 101. |
| 23:16.24 | Manoj_ | I need to get madducks new book |
| 23:16.27 | thingfish | oh cool, streuner, thanks for that info. |
| 23:16.29 | streuner | heh |
| 23:16.29 | gravity | I want to get both |
| 23:16.30 | antgel | gravity: i've made some suggestiong in the bug report. something else that comes to mind is post-install, it would be good to display a notice on the screen to rtfms, or perhaps email the user |
| 23:16.35 | thingfish | hehe cool! ricky_clarkson |
| 23:16.39 | streuner | Manoj_: he wrote a book? |
| 23:16.41 | MikeWasHere05 | ahh, i forgot the install part |
| 23:16.43 | dondelelcaro | Manoj_: I've been told that it should be appearing for sale in the us shortly |
| 23:16.47 | Manoj_ | streuner, yup |
| 23:16.52 | MikeWasHere05 | thats why apt-get mozilla-firefox didn't work =/ |
| 23:16.55 | gravity | antgel: That's an idea, but it might annoy a lot of users too. |
| 23:17.04 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: I'm waiting for it to be developed and turned to digital. |
| 23:17.16 | Manoj_ | dondelelcaro, now, if only amazon got hold of it... |
| 23:17.20 | antgel | gravity: it might not. how often do people install? |
| 23:17.28 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: http://nm.debian.org/gpg.php |
| 23:17.31 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Is it a big inconvenience to look? |
| 23:17.37 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: if you were looking for someone to sign your key |
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| 23:17.50 | gravity | antgel: Depends on the user really. |
| 23:18.08 | gravity | antgel: It's not a bad idea though. |
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| 23:18.14 | Manoj_ | MikeWasHere05, also, you might try using aptitude instead of apt-get; hte former is more aware of package dependencies, and does a better job sometimes |
| 23:18.14 | stockholm | gravity: once per box |
| 23:18.17 | dondelelcaro | Manoj_: right; I just know it was in september that it was supposed to be released in the US... no clue if it's the first or the last part of the month |
| 23:18.27 | dogmeat | why use secure locate? slocate |
| 23:18.32 | gravity | stockholm: Yeah, I was thinking in terms of number of boxes though. |
| 23:18.38 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: Cheers. |
| 23:18.39 | ricky_clarkson | "Paul Martin <pm@debian.org> |
| 23:18.39 | Overfiend | moo ha ha, it appears I really did provoke an influx of people |
| 23:18.39 | antgel | gravity: i might be prepared to do some work expanding the reference, but i think we need a co-ordinated policy. there is a _lot_ there. if they read that and the apt-howto, 90% of the stupid questions (and newbie frustrations) woudl vanish |
| 23:18.40 | gravity | stockholm: Some people have lots ;-) |
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| 23:18.51 | stockholm | Overfiend: (c: |
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| 23:18.56 | ricky_clarkson | Can I see what Paul Martin maintains? |
| 23:19.02 | gravity | Overfiend: That'll last for a week or so :-p |
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| 23:19.10 | vorlon | Overfiend: yes, a non-sustainable one |
| 23:19.10 | Overfiend | PH3AR M3 4 1 4M M16HTY |
| 23:19.11 | Manoj_ | Overfiend, now you just need to figure out a way to keep us in here |
| 23:19.16 | thingfish | ooh, bowmore (I *thought* that sounded scottish) is a nice Islay single malt. |
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| 23:19.17 | gravity | Overfiend: Mind if I do the render and xrender uploads to experimental tonight? |
| 23:19.18 | streuner | Overfiend: so you are the reason why DD's flooding #debian? :-) |
| 23:19.20 | stockholm | Overfiend: i think it would be good to split his channel in three, for readability |
| 23:19.24 | Overfiend | streuner: yes. |
| 23:19.26 | streuner | oh |
| 23:19.27 | gravity | thingfish: Bowmore is goooood |
| 23:19.30 | thingfish | single malts are dee-lish. |
| 23:19.34 | jethro | yah |
| 23:19.38 | jethro | bowmore is good |
| 23:19.39 | gravity | thingfish: Which bowmore? |
| 23:19.40 | jethro | that's a fact |
| 23:19.42 | kevin^ | I'm having problems with a new install because some packages are failing authentication. It can't find some key. I'm willing to take the risk, but does anyone know how to turn authentication off? |
| 23:19.43 | asuffield | kindly keep the clueless ideas off the channel, it's busy enough already |
| 23:19.43 | Overfiend | stockholm: I liked Joey's idea too. |
| 23:19.47 | jethro | gravity: it's a brand of whisky |
| 23:19.55 | PaPyRene10 | With my linux live cd I could save important company data from a crashed win NT4.0 pc to the server. Now I want to overwrite the damaged win Nt4.0 system32\osntkrnl.exe with a 'fresh' one and, although I "# mount -o rw /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 with -o rw" I cannot write to it. What am I doing wrong? |
| 23:19.56 | thingfish | I don't know, gravity, jethro mentioned it. |
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| 23:19.59 | gravity | jethro: I know that. There's a variety of types. |
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| 23:20.04 | anibal | hi Overfiend, Manoj_, stockholm et al :) |
| 23:20.04 | asuffield | splitting it just means you get people asking the same questions in multiple channels, increasing the total amount of noise |
| 23:20.05 | gravity | jethro: I had a bowmore 12 for a while. |
| 23:20.06 | Overfiend | Convert #debian into a kind of "debian lobby", moderated, with channels to route people too. |
| 23:20.06 | thingfish | scots whisky |
| 23:20.09 | Overfiend | bah |
| 23:20.10 | Overfiend | s/too/to/ |
| 23:20.10 | antgel | i'm a big debian fan. i use it, i deploy it, i try to contribute in my own small way. it's easy for you chaps to dip in, call us rude, and dip out again. |
| 23:20.15 | asuffield | Overfiend: that doesn't work |
| 23:20.17 | jethro | gravity: I only know of one sorry. I got 15yo bowmore a while ago |
| 23:20.24 | Overfiend | asuffield: are we sure? Have we seen it fail? |
| 23:20.29 | fall-en | hello how do i make my fat32 drive visible to linux ? |
| 23:20.31 | gravity | Overfiend: Hard to do without volunteers. David Harris talked about that ages ago, but nothing ever came of it. Just not enough interested folk. |
| 23:20.39 | Overfiend | gravity: Hrm. |
| 23:20.42 | gravity | jethro: Awesome. I've had that. Excellent stuff. |
| 23:20.49 | jethro | gravity: indeed :) |
| 23:20.52 | asuffield | Overfiend: yes. you can't process the people in a timely and reasonable manner, and you can't let them do it themselves |
| 23:20.54 | thingfish | I personally only drink brown liquors in the fall and winter. |
| 23:20.58 | anibal | asuffield, the problem with beecrypt was a missing dependency, m4 |
| 23:20.59 | Overfiend | fall-en: mount it, e.g., mount -t vfat -o ro /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 23:21.04 | thingfish | it's gin for spring and summer. |
| 23:21.07 | asuffield | Overfiend: if you provide people with a set of debian-related channels to ask their question in, then they will ask it in all of them |
| 23:21.13 | Overfiend | asuffield: :( |
| 23:21.14 | asuffield | that's just how users are |
| 23:21.26 | Manoj_ | kevin^, you need to have the new apt, and hte new gpg, I think |
| 23:21.27 | asuffield | hell, we provide them with #debian, #fedora, and #gentoo, and they ask their fucking gentoo questions in all three |
| 23:21.35 | fall-en | ok thanks |
| 23:21.42 | Manoj_ | kevin^, might as well get the new aptitude while you are at it. |
| 23:21.47 | stockholm | PaPyRene10: have you checked if you actually managed to moutnt it rw? |
| 23:21.47 | anibal | asuffield, and thanks for your time helping me |
| 23:21.47 | Overfiend | SUMONE HELP ME PLEASE 4 THE LOVE UV GOD!!!!!1 |
| 23:21.51 | antgel | Manoj_, gravity, vorlon: has this helped you understand the situation at all? |
| 23:21.52 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:21.53 | Overfiend | like that? |
| 23:22.02 | ricky_clarkson | Is #fedora actually run by the real Fedora people? |
| 23:22.03 | thingfish | Overfiend made a funny... |
| 23:22.03 | dondelelcaro | Overfiend: quite often, yes... |
| 23:22.07 | stockholm | PaPyRene10: what does mount give as output? |
| 23:22.09 | asuffield | Overfiend: generally with less capitals and more spelling mistakes, and once every three minutes |
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| 23:22.21 | gravity | antgel: Sure. I've wanted to improve the document situation for a looong time, but just don't have the time. Other debian stuff is really more of a priority. |
| 23:22.30 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: depends what you consider real fedora people |
| 23:22.37 | stockholm | can someone please ban Overfiend? is is noisy. |
| 23:22.39 | Manoj_ | antgel, well, I think we have all been in #debian (and done stints in debian-user@l.d.o), so we are not totally unaware of what goes on here |
| 23:22.41 | antgel | gravity: i hear you, but perhaps the times are a'changin |
| 23:22.43 | streuner | haha |
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| 23:22.51 | antgel | Manoj_: not totally, no |
| 23:22.52 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Like DDs, but fedora. |
| 23:22.52 | gravity | antgel: Patches are a good start |
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| 23:23.02 | SerajewelKS | why does /etc/debian_version say that i have 'testing/unstable' ... i don't recall installing any unstable packages, aside from backports that i built myself |
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| 23:23.08 | anibal | asuffield, could you please make me an op? |
| 23:23.15 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: kinda-sorta |
| 23:23.19 | asuffield | anibal: no |
| 23:23.22 | ricky_clarkson | anibal: /j #anibal |
| 23:23.27 | ricky_clarkson | You will be an op. |
| 23:23.29 | gravity | ... |
| 23:23.31 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:23.38 | MikeWasHere05 | weee! |
| 23:23.39 | Manoj_ | SerajewelKS, if you are not running a officially released version, it always says testing/unstable |
| 23:23.40 | antgel | gravity: fair enough. i'll have a think. but the pages i refer to on the site are quite fundamental and i don't have the kudos to submit a patch for them |
| 23:23.44 | anibal | ricky_clarkson, thanks |
| 23:23.51 | ricky_clarkson | anibal: np |
| 23:23.57 | streuner | Overfiend: so how did you provoke people? |
| 23:23.57 | vorlon | antgel: the kudos...? |
| 23:24.01 | MikeWasHere05 | err, wrong chan |
| 23:24.03 | gravity | antgel: If the patch isn't good enough, the maintainer should tell you why and/or fix it themselves |
| 23:24.08 | asuffield | vorlon: I think he means cohones |
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| 23:24.16 | antgel | asuffield: no |
| 23:24.19 | PaPyRene10 | stockholm: as root "# mount -o rw -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1" => no errors perfectly mounted and accessible but I can write to it even not as root... |
| 23:24.20 | ricky_clarkson | anibal: From my view of #debian, you have the ability. |
| 23:24.21 | SerajewelKS | Manoj_, okay that makes me feel better... so it's saying "testing OR unstable" not "testing mixed with unstable" |
| 23:24.22 | Overfiend | streuner: a user complained to me about this channel being too unfriendly to newbies, reflecting poorly on Debian, etc. |
| 23:24.24 | vorlon | asuffield: or cojones, I guess, sure |
| 23:24.28 | asuffield | whatever |
| 23:24.31 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: From my view of #debian, you have the ability. |
| 23:24.34 | anibal | ricky_clarkson, okay |
| 23:24.39 | Overfiend | streuner: I posted an RFD to debian-private, since it's a complaint I've heard before. |
| 23:24.39 | streuner | Overfiend: Does s(he) has a nick? |
| 23:24.43 | ricky_clarkson | anibal: Not yo. |
| 23:24.43 | asuffield | Overfiend: go back and read my reply :P |
| 23:24.44 | ricky_clarkson | u |
| 23:24.45 | SynrG | I'm here because Overfiend provoked me |
| 23:24.46 | Manoj_ | SerajewelKS, right. It is essentially saying "you ain't running a release" |
| 23:24.47 | stockholm | PaPyRene10: and if you type "mount"? what output do you get? |
| 23:24.47 | thingfish | ooh Overfiend, that was me, after having a particularly bad day (no pot for 3 days) |
| 23:24.49 | vorlon | PaPyRene10: Linux doesn't support read-write access to NTFS; NTFS is a hairy creature that the Linux kernel has not yet tamed. |
| 23:24.51 | Overfiend | streuner: yes, but I assume I am to hold it in confidence |
| 23:24.52 | gravity | Ah, ok... so now I guess I'm allowed to leak that part |
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| 23:24.56 | Overfiend | ah, he has outed himself |
| 23:24.59 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:25.08 | thingfish | lack of pot will drive one to desperation. |
| 23:25.09 | asuffield | vorlon: actually it does, but not in the vanilla kernel or in ours |
| 23:25.14 | SerajewelKS | Manoj_, ok thanks |
| 23:25.15 | enzyte | i have a question |
| 23:25.16 | asuffield | vorlon: and it's a really really bad idea |
| 23:25.16 | thingfish | and irrationality. |
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| 23:25.19 | PaPyRene10 | stockholm: as root "# mount -o rw -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1" => no errors perfectly mounted and accessible but I can NOT write to it even not as root... |
| 23:25.21 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: Or to #debian |
| 23:25.26 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:25.27 | antgel | gravity: fair enough. i'll have a crack at it then. don't underestimate the priority of docs though. especially if the typical debian newbie is a different person to 5 years ago. |
| 23:25.33 | antgel | !beer ricky_clarkson |
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| 23:25.39 | gravity | antgel: I agree entirely. |
| 23:25.42 | FallOnMe | Overfiend: Do you have an URL of that message handy? |
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| 23:25.44 | gravity | antgel: It won't hurt to try. |
| 23:25.46 | Overfiend | thingfish: The risk you run when contacting me in what I suspect is my official capacity, is that I may actually try to do something about it. |
| 23:25.46 | antgel | i always get yuengling |
| 23:25.48 | SynrG | what ever happened to netgod? i owe it to netgod and this channel that I'm a DD today. |
| 23:25.53 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Unfortunately I'm out of wine and I'm on budweiser. |
| 23:26.01 | enzyte | what program do u use at the comd line to vie images |
| 23:26.02 | stockholm | PaPyRene10: mount can give you status of what is mounted how. please verify that our rw atually went through |
| 23:26.05 | streuner | !seen netgod |
| 23:26.05 | asuffield | SynrG: he disappeared |
| 23:26.06 | dpkg | netgod <~user@d14-69-76-48.try.wideopenwest.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 170d 48m 4s ago, saying: 'pandom: try sed 1d /etc/motd'. |
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| 23:26.09 | thingfish | Overfiend: you're a good man, I trust your judgement. |
| 23:26.14 | SynrG | ;/ |
| 23:26.14 | gravity | antgel: The thing to learn about Debian is that no one is really trying to block improvements. It's just that they don't happen for more mundane reasons, so if you take initiative things can actually happen |
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| 23:26.22 | SynrG | :/ even |
| 23:26.23 | petemc_ | PaPyRene10: you cant write to ntfs easily or safely |
| 23:26.24 | asuffield | SynrG: I don't think anybody really knows where he went |
| 23:26.40 | stockholm | PaPyRene10: oh, it is ntfs? |
| 23:26.44 | stockholm | danger... |
| 23:26.44 | lakcaj | enzyte, gthumb, gqview, pornview, take your pick, there are lots |
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| 23:26.55 | Overfiend | FallOnMe: sure... Message-ID: <20050901185300.GW25519@redwald.deadbeast.net> |
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| 23:26.58 | streuner | asuffield: well, that's bad enough, netgod is somebody with humor |
| 23:27.04 | vorlon | asuffield: yes, which amounts to the same thing; the fact that there are kernel modules that will scribble on your NTFS partition is not what people normally mean when they ask for "rw support" |
| 23:27.10 | PaPyRene10 | vorlon: I don't agree with your opinion => I use linux floppies to crack windows NTFS registries when the password is changed without any problem... |
| 23:27.17 | stockholm | PaPyRene10: knoppix can actually handle ntfs writing just fine. do you use knoppix? |
| 23:27.18 | enzyte | is it directly from the comand line and not x |
| 23:27.21 | antgel | d |
| 23:27.40 | asuffield | vorlon: weeell, it does have its uses. the primary one is to reset the administrator password; there's a toolkit for that. we get a lot of people wanting that one |
| 23:28.17 | stockholm | vorlon: knoppix uses the windows ntfs libs for the operations. that works very reliably |
| 23:28.27 | petemc_ | very? |
| 23:28.32 | thingfish | Overfiend: but your concern is very much appreciated. |
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| 23:28.36 | atom-z | asuffield, where can I get such a toolkit (for winxp)... sounds useful |
| 23:28.37 | stockholm | petemc_: yes |
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| 23:28.40 | asuffield | it does not. it works unreliably. you can get away with it in a pinch |
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| 23:28.47 | gravity | thingfish: Next time you may want to just ping an op |
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| 23:28.59 | vorlon | PaPyRene10: that's not the same thing as having full rw support. That's having support for editing the contents of a file as long as the resulting file is the same size. |
| 23:29.05 | PaPyRene10 | stockholm: I am not at the company now, but I wrote to the /etc/fstab rw in place of ro so cat /etc/mtab gives me a rw accessible /dev/hda1 but I couln't write to it |
| 23:29.08 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Do you happen to know which institution Paul Martin works at? He says North Manchester in those emails but there's not a lot in North Manchester because it becomes Salford about 10yds from the city centre. |
| 23:29.22 | antgel | what is really fucking weird is that since the infestation of dd's tonight, there has not been _one_ of the kind of moronic questions that were 30-an-hour for the last months. |
| 23:29.22 | asuffield | atom-z: damned if I can remember |
| 23:29.32 | asuffield | somebody should know |
| 23:29.32 | antgel | have you been trolling us, chaps? |
| 23:29.43 | stockholm | PaPyRene10: there are other file attributes that can you prevent you from writing to a file |
| 23:29.45 | thingfish | gravity: next time I shall, however that particular time I must admit I over-reacted and contacted Overfiend in too much haste. |
| 23:29.47 | SynrG | antgel: it's our aura |
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| 23:29.50 | atom-z | hehe. never mind |
| 23:29.50 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: ain't got a clue, mail him and ask |
| 23:29.51 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Have you seen my null? |
| 23:29.52 | stockholm | PaPyRene10: chattr |
| 23:30.01 | gravity | thingfish: No worries. Maybe something good will actually come of it this time. |
| 23:30.02 | petemc_ | stockholm: stop wasting your time |
| 23:30.06 | atom-z | DD= debian developer, I take it? |
| 23:30.08 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Sure, at least, thanks for the research. |
| 23:30.12 | lakcaj | I'm trying to compile "glpresent" from source. It says it needs "GL". I'm wondering what dev package that would be. I've apt-file searched for the headers it is looking for, and they seem to be contained in a number of packages. |
| 23:30.12 | gravity | atom-z: Yes |
| 23:30.16 | stockholm | petemc_: you mean i should go to bed? |
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| 23:30.40 | petemc_ | stockholm: 1) you cant 2) PaPyRene10 doesnt listen to what (s)he is told anyway |
| 23:30.40 | antgel | SynrG: it's doing the job. i swear it's like the twilight zone. you must be thinking we're a bit mental |
| 23:30.44 | Manoj_ | lakcaj, for example? |
| 23:30.45 | gravity | #debian is the new #debian-devel |
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| 23:31.08 | stockholm | petemc_: chattr does not support ntfs, does it? |
| 23:31.12 | vorlon | lakcaj: any of them should work, they all give you the same library and package dependencies in the end. |
| 23:31.16 | atom-z | how many people are actually working on debian-amd64? |
| 23:31.17 | ricky_clarkson | I think it would do DDs good to hang out here, at least to see the problems people have. |
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| 23:31.20 | lakcaj | Manoj_, GL/gl.h GL/glu.h GL/glut.h |
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| 23:31.35 | streuner | atom-z: why? |
| 23:31.36 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: they're busy ripping into each other on various mailing lists :P |
| 23:31.37 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: well some of them like separating themselves from lots of BS here, can't say I blame em |
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| 23:31.45 | atom-z | streuner, curiosity |
| 23:31.48 | petemc_ | stockholm: its not that, its the write support in the kernel, if its compiled in, isnt very useful, its very limited |
| 23:31.49 | stockholm | atom-z: you can find out by looking at the amd64 group on alioth |
| 23:31.55 | emerald | anybody know the linux equivelant of "ipconfig" ..? |
| 23:31.58 | benley | ifconfig |
| 23:32.00 | lakcaj | So like libglu1-mesa-dev? |
| 23:32.01 | atom-z | stockholm, ok |
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| 23:32.03 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: only if they get muzzled first |
| 23:32.05 | PaPyRene10 | petemc_: and how can I write to ntfs partitions easily and safe using the linux live cd when in /etc/fstab /dev/hda1 is mounted as rw while I can not write to it? |
| 23:32.08 | streuner | emerald: ifconfig? |
| 23:32.14 | emerald | it didn't seem to work |
| 23:32.16 | SerajewelKS | !find /GL/gl.h |
| 23:32.18 | antgel | PaPyRene10: ntfs write is dodgy |
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| 23:32.20 | benley | emerald: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 23:32.22 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 23:32.22 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 23:32.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/GL/gl.h' (4): (/usr/X11R6/include/GL/gl.h) in libdevel/xlibmesa-gl-dev ;; (/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/include/GL/gl.h) in devel/mingw32-runtime ;; (/usr/include/GL/gl.h) in devel/mesa-common-dev,libdevel/xlibmesa-gl-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx-dev/include/GL/gl.h) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx-dev. |
| 23:32.29 | ricky_clarkson | Has anyone seen Thomas Adam in mail/IRC recently? |
| 23:32.31 | emerald | okay, i'll try that out |
| 23:32.43 | SerajewelKS | lakcaj, ^^^ |
| 23:32.48 | benley | anyone here who has tried doing NFSv4 and/or kerberized NFS? |
| 23:32.51 | streuner | ricky_clarkson: try ircsearch.com |
| 23:32.55 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: I can't bloody remember |
| 23:32.57 | petemc_ | PaPyRene10: you cant write to ntfs easily or safely, this is the first thing i said to you |
| 23:33.05 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Fair enough. |
| 23:33.11 | vorlon | PaPyRene10: 1) just because it hasn't eaten your hard drive for lunch *yet* doesn't actually mean it's *safe*. 2) the only way to get arbitrary read-write access to NTFS from Linux is using a shim that pulls in the native Windows drivers; this shim is not packaged for Linux. |
| 23:33.25 | vorlon | ... not packaged for Debian. |
| 23:33.26 | vorlon | bloody hell. |
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| 23:33.32 | asuffield | and captive-ntfs is fucking unstable |
| 23:33.38 | PaPyRene10 | stockholm: I use the knoppix cd, yes, but I can not write to ntfs partitions with allthough in /etc/ftab /dev/hda1 (=C) is mounted rw |
| 23:33.41 | asuffield | not to mention probably illegal |
| 23:33.44 | lakcaj | SerajewelKS, thanks, I'll try that |
| 23:33.46 | bob2 | dds galore |
| 23:33.55 | antgel | DD's: there ya go. good luck helping PaPyRene10 |
| 23:33.58 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: nice to see you here. |
| 23:34.04 | vorlon | lakcaj: if you're building something that needs GL/glu.h, libglu1-mesa-dev would be an appropriate package to use. |
| 23:34.11 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: are we the only two brits here? |
| 23:34.16 | benley | OpenSSH is completely ignoring my config directive "GssapiUseSessionCredCache no" and it's driving me _insane_ ... anyone have any clue what might cause this? |
| 23:34.20 | emerald | okay, i'm in the sbin folder |
| 23:34.21 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: asuffield is a Brit. |
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| 23:34.27 | emerald | now how do i run ifconfig..? |
| 23:34.28 | lakcaj | vorlon, I was just trying that, and apt wanted to remove xwindow-system :) |
| 23:34.29 | thingfish | yay! for Brits. |
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| 23:34.38 | benley | emerald: /sbin/ifconfig -a will show you all interfaces |
| 23:34.44 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: I thought I was scaring you. |
| 23:34.46 | emerald | okay |
| 23:34.46 | benley | emerald: or ifconfig <interfacename> i.e. ifconfig eth0 |
| 23:34.47 | thingfish | you guys make the best gin in the world. |
| 23:34.48 | Manoj_ | lakcaj, libdevel/xlibmesa-gl-dev seems like the best bet |
| 23:34.54 | bob2 | benley: doesn't that require kerberised ssh? |
| 23:34.55 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Worryingly that was before wine+beer. |
| 23:34.56 | benley | emerald: also, man ifconfig :) |
| 23:34.59 | benley | bob2: yes, ssh-krb5 |
| 23:35.01 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: you are |
| 23:35.02 | emerald | ohh yeah |
| 23:35.12 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: you need both for the proper effect |
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| 23:35.28 | antgel | !beer thingfish |
| 23:35.30 | asuffield | PaPyRene10: knoppix is in #knoppix, go there instead |
| 23:35.32 | benley | bob2: I need it to name the krb5cc krb5cc_%u instead of krb5cc_%u_randomnumbersandcrap |
| 23:35.34 | offtopic | anyone from chile or argentina wishing to give a litle offtopic information for a traveller? |
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| 23:35.48 | vorlon | antgel: eh, I'm well familiar with the mindset of some of the newbies that ask for help, and I realize it's frustrating; I just don't approve of being rude to them as a result. If I get too fed up, I'll leave the channel for a while instead. |
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| 23:35.56 | thingfish | Jever? that's a new one...I can only imagine how good it tastes. |
| 23:35.56 | vorlon | lakcaj: then you may need to upgrade x-window-system at the same time |
| 23:35.58 | PaPyRene10 | atom-z: on the internet: search google for "linux on floppy" or something.. |
| 23:36.04 | enzyte | is there any programs u can view images from the comand line and not x |
| 23:36.09 | ricky_clarkson | offtopic: #debian-es es mas bien para los hispanohablantes. |
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| 23:36.21 | thingfish | ick, Budweiser is nasty. |
| 23:36.23 | antgel | vorlon: understood. but it would be nice to cut the problem off before it even gets here |
| 23:36.26 | offtopic | thanks |
| 23:36.32 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: My housemate left it. |
| 23:36.32 | antgel | thingfish: blame the bot |
| 23:36.50 | thingfish | on the other hand, free beer is *always* good. |
| 23:37.03 | vorlon | antgel: yeah, documentation alone isn't going to do that, you need a genocide option. :) |
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| 23:37.06 | thingfish | as long as it's not light. |
| 23:37.08 | ricky_clarkson | Cheggars can't be boozers. Or something. |
| 23:37.18 | PaPyRene10 | vorlon: I just want to overwrite the damaged winnt/system32/osntkrnl.exe with a fresh one via linux; thus same size |
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| 23:37.21 | thingfish | yay! for sober antgels. |
| 23:37.23 | antgel | vorlon: eek |
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| 23:37.27 | Supaplex | benley: you must be dehydrated |
| 23:37.31 | Manoj_ | enzyte, there used to be a few programs like that -- let me see if I can recall what they were |
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| 23:37.40 | benley | heh |
| 23:37.46 | enzyte | ok thank you |
| 23:37.51 | emerald | hmmm, i typed "ifconfig -a" while in the sbin dir, and no work |
| 23:37.51 | ricky_clarkson | I haven't had a drink for *glug glug* about 0.2s. |
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| 23:38.03 | antgel | PaPyRene10: you can't. do a windows rescue install. |
| 23:38.10 | vorlon | PaPyRene10: well, apparently Debian is not the most appropriate tool for this job currently, sorry. If you know of Linux floppies that can be used for this, maybe you're better off booting from one of those instead? |
| 23:38.11 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: bottoms up |
| 23:38.21 | thingfish | Caelum: surely you have one or two cerebral neurons left that would appreciate a good liquoring-up. |
| 23:38.24 | PaPyRene10 | stockholm: what do yhou mean with file attributes that prevent me to write to a NTFS file using liux? |
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| 23:38.43 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: That sounds so easy to ridicule, but I can't. |
| 23:38.47 | asuffield | PaPyRene10: go to #knoppix |
| 23:38.47 | anibal | offtopic, there is also #debian-uy |
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| 23:39.00 | Caelum | thingfish: maybe I just need larger quantities :) |
| 23:39.02 | gravity | woo xorg |
| 23:39.08 | antgel | emerald: are you root? |
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| 23:39.10 | thingfish | Caelum: you read my mind. |
| 23:39.14 | emerald | uhmm.. no |
| 23:39.16 | emerald | should i be? |
| 23:39.16 | ricky_clarkson | anibal: uy=Uruguay? |
| 23:39.21 | antgel | emerald: i reckon |
| 23:39.27 | benley | oh awesome, here's a fun apt error: |
| 23:39.27 | benley | E: Couldn't determine free space in . - statvfs (75 Value too large for defined data type) |
| 23:39.29 | anibal | ricky_clarkson, yep |
| 23:39.35 | emerald | :/ err |
| 23:39.38 | ricky_clarkson | !uruguay |
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| 23:39.40 | Manoj_ | zgv - SVGAlib graphics viewer |
| 23:39.40 | PaPyRene10 | stockholm: man chattr => for Linux second extended file system not for NTFS! |
| 23:39.43 | benley | it's a pretty big volume, but really, wtf. |
| 23:39.44 | antgel | emerald: or, not as root, give the full path i.e. /sbin/config. current dir not in path by default |
| 23:39.54 | Manoj_ | enzyte, zgv - SVGAlib graphics viewer |
| 23:40.01 | ricky_clarkson | Caelum: Do you understand C? |
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| 23:40.11 | enzyte | thank u |
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| 23:40.18 | HE | emerald: You don't need to be root to simply display all interfaces, so /sbin/ifconfig -a works. |
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| 23:40.19 | Manoj_ | enzyte, I have not used it for years, though |
| 23:40.19 | Caelum | ricky_clarkson: yup :) |
| 23:40.23 | FallOnMe | benley: how big? |
| 23:40.26 | Mondongo | Hello there. I upgraded to unstable today, but can't install k3b. It needs kdelibs, but it doesn't exist on unstable; there is kdelibs4c2. How can one tell apt-get that kdelibs is kdelibs4c2? |
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| 23:40.34 | benley | FallOnMe: 2.2TB |
| 23:40.38 | emerald | HE, i don't get why it doesn't |
| 23:40.39 | ricky_clarkson | Caelum: network number = ip & netmask; |
| 23:40.54 | bob2 | Mondongo: er, are you sure they're the same thing? |
| 23:40.57 | emerald | i do merely need to be in the directory, or what do i type |
| 23:41.03 | HE | emerald: The problem is that normal users don't have /sbin in their PATH, so using ifconfig -a (without the /sbin in front) will not work |
| 23:41.05 | PaPyRene10 | petemc_: to what am I not listening? => PaPyRene10 doesnt listen to what (s)he is told |
| 23:41.12 | ricky_clarkson | Caelum: I write Netsim. See http:///www.netsim.info |
| 23:41.13 | bob2 | Mondongo: ad that -c2 isn't the gcc-4.0-compiled version, which is incompatible with the non-c2 one? |
| 23:41.14 | benley | FallOnMe: it's entirely possible that this is complicated by the fact that it's an nfsv4 mount, but it doesn't really seem like it at the outset |
| 23:41.24 | FallOnMe | benley: ok then. I only have 1.8 TB - and don't use it for /var. ;-) |
| 23:41.27 | Mondongo | bob2: I don't know, but kdelibs doesn't seem to exist on unstable, according to the debian.org website. :( |
| 23:41.28 | ricky_clarkson | http://www.netsim.info with less drunk /s. |
| 23:41.34 | Caelum | ricky_clarkson: except all printed and sent representations are big-endian, right? will look thanks :) |
| 23:41.40 | benley | FallOnMe: heh, not /var ... this is where my homedir lives |
| 23:41.40 | thingfish | hehe ricky_clarkson |
| 23:41.53 | Mondongo | bob2: didn't know that about the -c2 stuff. I guess I should downgrade to testing then. There are no decent dvd-writing programs out there. :( |
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| 23:42.00 | FallOnMe | benley: oh. can you just cd out of there, then? |
| 23:42.05 | bob2 | Mondongo: you can't downgrade (easily) |
| 23:42.05 | benley | FallOnMe: yes, of course |
| 23:42.14 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: are you on the spirits yet? |
| 23:42.23 | Mondongo | bob2: Ok, so I'm stuck without k3b? D'oh! :( :( |
| 23:42.24 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: I don't think there are any. |
| 23:42.26 | Manoj_ | downgrades are always tricky |
| 23:42.30 | antgel | !tell Mondongo about downgrade |
| 23:42.34 | bob2 | Mondongo: if you're using unstable, you should be reading the debian=devel-announce list, which would have told you that unstable is moving to gcc-4.0, which means some things will be uninstallable for a little while |
| 23:42.40 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: However they'd be infinitely preferable to Bud, so I'll search. |
| 23:42.40 | enzyte | nano do you know of any others |
| 23:42.40 | HE | emerald: No problem. In general, only programs in the PATH are considered when you type "foo" in your shell. If "foo" is not in one of the directories in the PATH, "command not found" is returned. |
| 23:42.41 | seb- | is xen like vmware? can i run x, gnome, kde in it? |
| 23:42.51 | HE | seb-: Yes. |
| 23:42.52 | petemc_ | PaPyRene10: you were told you couldnt write to ntfs reliably, and there was an incident last night too.. |
| 23:42.58 | FallOnMe | benley: that is a syscall error that apt's reporting. So the appropriate suspects would be the kernel people. |
| 23:43.01 | Mondongo | bob2: I understand... I should have RTFM. :( But I've used unstable in the past without troubles. :( |
| 23:43.05 | seb- | HE: thanks! |
| 23:43.05 | emerald | okay, so log in as root and give it a try..? |
| 23:43.07 | benley | FallOnMe: OK. |
| 23:43.17 | antgel | Mondongo: that's the thing. it can bite |
| 23:43.20 | PaPyRene10 | petemc_: but how => "you cant write to ntfs easily or safely, this is the first thing i said to you" |
| 23:43.23 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: nada |
| 23:43.28 | emerald | if i'm the only one who uses the linuxbox, should i just always log in as root? |
| 23:43.30 | bob2 | seb-: it requires modification to the client OS, tho |
| 23:43.35 | benley | emerald: no. |
| 23:43.37 | petemc_ | PaPyRene10: nevermind |
| 23:43.39 | bob2 | seb-: so you can run linux inside it, but not windows |
| 23:43.41 | benley | emerald: that's bad for a number of reasons. |
| 23:43.41 | HE | emerald: Either that, *or* give the full path of the program you want to start, in that case, the PATH isn't used to search for the executable. |
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| 23:43.55 | emerald | benley, why come? |
| 23:43.57 | Manoj_ | Seb, mind you, there are differences -- you need to run the host in Xen0, and that means you no longer have NPTL or the ability to run vmware |
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| 23:44.01 | asuffield | oh for fuck's sake |
| 23:44.02 | Mondongo | bob2: I tried compiling k3b, but it asks for a "unsermake" program which I cannot find (that with the CVS version) or otherwise, if compiling the source, my compiler complains about code errors. :( :( |
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| 23:44.06 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: perhaps if you mix the beer and wine in one glass |
| 23:44.06 | benley | emerald: it makes it entirely too easy to break things on accident |
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| 23:44.11 | emerald | o |
| 23:44.14 | seb- | bob2: xen just needs a special kernel right? |
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| 23:44.19 | gravity | antgel: We know, but we don't really care |
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| 23:44.29 | gravity | antgel: If people use unstable, they know what they're getting themselves in to. |
| 23:44.29 | benley | emerald: you don't want to accidently overwrite things in /lib or something |
| 23:44.29 | antgel | gravity: apparently Manoj_ cares |
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| 23:44.37 | bob2 | seb-: for the client and host, yes |
| 23:44.39 | emerald | good point |
| 23:44.39 | gravity | antgel: We need a place to develop the new release. |
| 23:44.43 | antgel | gravity: they don't have a clue what they're getting into. that's the point |
| 23:44.45 | gravity | antgel: That place is unstable. |
| 23:44.45 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Too late, finished the wine. |
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| 23:44.50 | bob2 | antgel: yes, there's a reason it's called "unstable" |
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| 23:44.54 | Mondongo | gravity: It's OK, it's my fault. But the problem is that testing sometimes is very slow, too. :( Anyway, my fault, I agree. |
| 23:44.54 | emerald | where do you install things to? like firefox? |
| 23:44.56 | gravity | antgel: It's spelled out everywhere. I don't think we could scream it any louder |
| 23:44.57 | emerald | juss the home folder? |
| 23:45.10 | antgel | gravity: www.debian.org/releases |
| 23:45.16 | FallOnMe | this is not really correct: <gravity> antgel: If people use unstable, they know what they're getting themselves in to. |
| 23:45.18 | Seb | emerald: apt-get install mozilla-firefox ? |
| 23:45.23 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: I haven't seen you around much since Ubuntu's first release. |
| 23:45.23 | bob2 | Mondongo: it will compile fine; even "sudo apt-get build-dep k3b ; apt-get source -b k3b" should work simply |
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| 23:45.34 | Mondongo | bob2: gonna try that right now :) |
| 23:45.35 | gravity | FallOnMe: They should. I don't know what more developers can do |
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| 23:45.44 | vorlon | antgel: should I propose to the ftpmasters that they rename unstable to the_system_eater? |
| 23:45.48 | emerald | ya i've got firefox |
| 23:45.49 | antgel | gravity: it doesn't say don't use it if you don't know that you're doing |
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| 23:45.51 | gravity | FallOnMe: It's honestly user-based PR that causes people to use unstable without knowing what's going on |
| 23:46.00 | Seb | wow, lots of DDs in here today, what's going on ? :) |
| 23:46.00 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: which coincidided with my non-ubunut-job becoming extraordinarily busy |
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| 23:46.02 | emerald | juss wondering where the "Program Files" equiv is |
| 23:46.07 | antgel | gravity: indeed, not countered on the website |
| 23:46.07 | gravity | The “unstable” distribution is where active development of Debian occurs. Generally, this distribution is run by developers and those who like to live on the edge. |
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| 23:46.15 | Mortalman | Is there any way I could set up a web proxy that you don't have to configure the browser to use ?? Like maybe a page you can enter a URL into and have it change all the links, etc. |
| 23:46.15 | dvs | Seb: #debian-devel is closed ;-) |
| 23:46.18 | gravity | Dude, what more do you want it to say? Living on the edge is pretty fucking obvious |
| 23:46.20 | Seb | haha, I see |
| 23:46.20 | Caelum | lots of people run unstable for years, and if they have a clue about package issues they have no serious problems |
| 23:46.21 | HE | emerald: There is not really something like that :-) |
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| 23:46.26 | antgel | gravity: they see "live on the edge" as a _good_ thing |
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| 23:46.29 | FallOnMe | gravity: Should know [...] yes, but "do know" is, as we can see, not true. |
| 23:46.36 | emerald | aiight sweet |
| 23:46.37 | gravity | This is bullshit |
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| 23:46.42 | mfrisch | I HATE the 'Doz world! |
| 23:46.43 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: Still in Australia? I like your operator style - i.e., you don't punish anyone for being nasty to you particularly - I replicate that in the channels I'm an op in. |
| 23:46.43 | Gathond | emerald: /usr basically, but ist somewhat more messy in what belongs to which program |
| 23:46.44 | HE | emerald: Most applications are provided as .debs and can be installed, removed and so on by apt-get |
| 23:46.44 | Manoj_ | FallOnMe, well, we can always welcome people to the bledning edge, and point out to them that bleeding is often accompanied by hurt |
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| 23:46.52 | beardy | emerald: Under /usr perhaps you mean. Read the filesytem hieararchy manpage, 'man hier'. |
| 23:46.53 | antgel | gravity: it's all about the interpretation and we can't get in their newbie shoes |
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| 23:47.01 | Mondongo | brb |
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| 23:47.12 | antgel | vorlon: rename it arse_fucker |
| 23:47.15 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: Don't you have an Ubuntu job too? |
| 23:47.16 | gravity | antgel: To be honest, all the talk by users that "unstable is as stable as other distro's stable release" is what causes the problem |
| 23:47.19 | vorlon | Mortalman: yes, but this is probably not the best channel on which to get help for setting up a network with a transparent proxy. |
| 23:47.24 | Zargonog | how do you boot the debian installer in expert mode? |
| 23:47.33 | thingfish | why do you guys run unstable? you like to chase down bugs and all that? |
| 23:47.35 | HE | emerald: If you really need to install something that isn't packaged, you normally do it in /usr/local. |
| 23:47.39 | gravity | antgel: Any developer you ask will tell you the same thing. Unstable is for development and should remain as such. |
| 23:47.42 | SynrG | thingfish: yes |
| 23:47.46 | emerald | okay, juss wondering |
| 23:47.48 | antgel | Caelum: that's the thing. me too. but we know what we're doing. |
| 23:47.51 | kevin^ | I run unstable on *all* the servers at work. A dependency mess or broken package 2-3x/year, but NOTHING worse than that. Just need to back down a package. |
| 23:47.51 | bob2 | thingfish: you need to run unstable to test packages you're going to upload, if nothing else |
| 23:47.52 | eeyore- | Mortalman: use your iptables to silently redirects all traffic on port 80 to the cache |
| 23:47.56 | Seb | thingfish: yes, so *you* get a system that works better, over time |
| 23:48.02 | beardy | Zargonog: Hit F1 to F7 for info when booting. 'expert' or 'expert26' I think. |
| 23:48.05 | SynrG | thingfish: that, and an addiction to novelty |
| 23:48.07 | thingfish | aww, that's so sweet. |
| 23:48.09 | Gathond | thingfish: that or want to use the newest stuff and dont mind that stuff breaks once in a while |
| 23:48.10 | Zargonog | k thank you |
| 23:48.10 | benley | kevin^: that really seems like a bad idea, unless you have infinite free time to fix things |
| 23:48.15 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: yeah, still in .au; heh, thanks, apathy again proves to be a survival trait ;) |
| 23:48.19 | HE | kevin^: unstable is highly unstable at the moment - sometimes you should use the stable release :) |
| 23:48.20 | antgel | gravity: indeed. but most new users don't ask developers before they dive in (and drown) |
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| 23:48.28 | gravity | antgel: Dude... it's *everywhere* |
| 23:48.29 | eeyore- | Mortalman: google for "linux iptables transparent http proxy" is my suggestion :-) |
| 23:48.31 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: I like the freedom, which suggests that really I should be running Gentoo or something, but I don't want loadsabugs. |
| 23:48.31 | Manoj_ | kevin^, woah. You are more daring than I, I still run stable on my mail server and firewall |
| 23:48.38 | gravity | antgel: You act like this is Debian's fault. Debian is pretty explicit about things. |
| 23:48.42 | Mortalman | vorlon: Don't need help setting it up. I just didn't know if they exist. And I don't exactly want it to be transparent. Any suggestions for the apropriate channel to discuss this would be appreciated. |
| 23:48.44 | emerald | this channel would be impossible to talk in w/ telnet |
| 23:48.44 | FallOnMe | Manoj_: there's that thing about bleeding, but perhaps a "don't go there until you know how to... rebuild a package from source, write a nice bug report, etc." message could be emphasized. |
| 23:48.51 | antgel | gravity: see what i mean about misinterpretation of "live on the edge" |
| 23:48.55 | kevin^ | HE: Yes, I noticed. I have a *lot* of packages on hold right now, but the c102 -> c2 transition is definitely past the midway point. |
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| 23:48.57 | vorlon | kevin^: I think you're a fool for running unstable on servers. |
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| 23:49.08 | Mortalman | Note: I don't want it to be transparent. |
| 23:49.09 | eeyore- | Manoj_: i run unstable on everything. webserver, fileserver, mail, firewall . |
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| 23:49.15 | Manoj_ | FallOnMe, right. I think something called usntable kinda screamed that :) |
| 23:49.16 | gravity | antgel: If people want to break their systems running unreleased stuff, that's not Debian's problem. You act like it is. |
| 23:49.19 | thingfish | surely no one runs sid on a production server... |
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| 23:49.21 | HE | kevin^: Not really. Let's hope that most of the toolchain bugs are fixed... |
| 23:49.24 | gravity | antgel: This is entirely the user's problem. |
| 23:49.27 | antgel | gravity: don't go there. i am 100% behind debian and that's why i care. i'm not blaming debian, i'm trying to make people aware of the issues. |
| 23:49.27 | eeyore- | thingfish: of course i do |
| 23:49.32 | vorlon | Mortalman: a proxy that you don't have to configure your web browser for is a transparent proxy, though? |
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| 23:49.34 | thingfish | eeyore-: eek |
| 23:49.34 | kevin^ | vorlon: I've been doing it for years. The current server has had unstable on it for 5 years, and I'm putting it on a new one right now. |
| 23:49.38 | FieldySnuts | somebody's trying too hard. |
| 23:49.41 | eeyore- | thingfish: it's too old otherwise |
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| 23:49.51 | Caelum | if you have clones for your servers or some such, there's no reason why you can't run unstable on a production server |
| 23:49.52 | antgel | gravity: it is debian's problem when they get frustrated and give up and tell their cluebie mates |
| 23:49.54 | thingfish | what do you mean, FieldySnuts? |
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| 23:50.10 | eeyore- | thingfish: serius debian users use unstable. it's just that simple. |
| 23:50.12 | gravity | antgel: We're well aware that people use unstable when they shouldn't. They have for years. We can't do anything about it. |
| 23:50.12 | emRick | anany pan newsreader developers here? I want to know the format of those massive article header files. (for example, on server S and newsgroup G, the file would be ~/.pan/S/G) |
| 23:50.13 | Zargonog | how do i go into expert install mode from the boot prompt? |
| 23:50.13 | ricky_clarkson | gravity: I think the problem with that is how simple it is to use sid. |
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| 23:50.28 | kevin^ | The main problam I'm having is that debian-installer is choking on package signatures and I'm trying to figure out how to turn the checking off so I can make some progress. |
| 23:50.33 | streuner | Zargonog: look at the monitor |
| 23:50.36 | thingfish | eeyore-: oh, so non-serious ones use stable? |
| 23:50.39 | Manoj_ | antgel, not really. debian has never shot for sheer popularity in novice circles |
| 23:50.40 | Seb | Zargonog: hit F3, you've been told that already |
| 23:50.44 | antgel | gravity: ok. before you told me that the docs / site could do with a patch or two. you've changed your tune |
| 23:50.46 | dvs | Zargonog: Alt-F2 |
| 23:50.49 | eeyore- | thingfish: something like that :-) |
| 23:50.52 | HE | kevin^: At least *install* stable, you can always upgrade. |
| 23:50.52 | benley | don't be a fool, serious users run stable too. |
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| 23:51.02 | kevin^ | Caelum: I upgrade my personal machine a few days before I let anything alarming onto the server. |
| 23:51.02 | Seb | they do do |
| 23:51.02 | Mortalman | vorlon: Not quite what I meant. I mean transparent as, the user doesn't know it's there. What I am looking for, if it exists, would not be transparent in that sense. |
| 23:51.06 | Zargonog | none of those work..... |
| 23:51.06 | streuner | Zargonog: why do you think you need expert modus? |
| 23:51.06 | gravity | antgel: I agree that the docs can use some work. But you're talking like no one informs people of this. We do. |
| 23:51.08 | antgel | Manoj_: but that's starting to change. i can see it here. since the sarge release, the "too old" stigma is less |
| 23:51.09 | thingfish | oh eeyore- that's just contrarian. |
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| 23:51.12 | benley | I try to use stable on everything by default unless I have a reason not to. |
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| 23:51.19 | kevin^ | HE: I need a *very* fresh kernel; can stable install 2.6? |
| 23:51.24 | gravity | antgel: People who choose to willfully ignore, or just not read what's out there out of laziness. |
| 23:51.24 | HE | kevin^: Sure. |
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| 23:51.31 | Zargonog | becuase when i try to install regularly it has problems mounting the cd even though i boot from it |
| 23:51.33 | Gathond | kevin^: to some extend |
| 23:51.35 | Caelum | kevin^: makes sense :) |
| 23:51.38 | petemc_ | kevin^: 2.6.8 |
| 23:51.38 | gravity | antgel: There's a lot to learn, and we can't push it at everyone. |
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| 23:51.44 | ricky_clarkson | gravity: Like it or not, I moved on to sid after 1 day of using stable on a friend's advice, and the reason I do ok is simply that I don't dist-upgrade very often. |
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| 23:51.48 | HE | kevin^: sarge was releases with a highly-patched 2.6.8 kernel. |
| 23:51.49 | vorlon | Mortalman: I don't understand what it is you want, then. There are transparent proxies; there are ways to publish web proxy information in DHCP; is what you're asking for not one of these things? |
| 23:51.50 | kevin^ | HE: Actually, I'd really *like* a 2.6.13+jgarzik kernel, but the devfs issue is being a pain. |
| 23:51.51 | antgel | gravity: where on the site, or documentation does it say "if you install tesing or unstable your system might break" |
| 23:51.55 | gravity | ricky_clarkson: So? |
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| 23:52.01 | streuner | Zargonog: well, export modus wouldn't change anything to that |
| 23:52.04 | Gathond | kevin^: I think I read that 2.6.13 needs a udev >.58 or some such and sarges is .56 or some such |
| 23:52.05 | Zargonog | and i read that its a bug with a piix pack or something |
| 23:52.08 | Manoj_ | antgel, people may be getting intertested in debvian, sure, but nuless they are a good match for the target audience (the actual target audience, not the target audience people want it to be), they shall be disappointed |
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| 23:52.13 | gravity | antgel: I honestly don't know. I haven't read it in years. |
| 23:52.14 | MikeWasHere05 | <3 |
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| 23:52.17 | HE | kevin^: Someone told me once that you can even change kernels after installing :) |
| 23:52.19 | MikeWasHere05 | i have just discovered synaptic |
| 23:52.20 | Zargonog | and they said go into expert mode and dont use the piix pack |
| 23:52.20 | antgel | gravity: i don't want to argue, i think we're on the same side |
| 23:52.22 | enzyte | is there any programs u can view images from the comand line and not x |
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| 23:52.31 | gravity | antgel: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/unstable/ |
| 23:52.33 | Manoj_ | antgel, I do not think we have arrived at the point where debian is designed for aunt maddy or grandma |
| 23:52.34 | l4vim | hello, how can I remove all windows-style EOL chars ? (0x10,0x13) and change it to \n ? |
| 23:52.38 | gravity | antgel: That was easy. Click your own stupid link. |
| 23:52.39 | Seb | enzyte: fbi |
| 23:52.41 | Zargonog | see this is my problem....... http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/02/msg00795.html |
| 23:52.41 | ricky_clarkson | gravity: So I think of you expect Debian users not to use sid and expect good things from it you're expecting the unexpected. |
| 23:52.43 | bob2 | l4vim: dos2unix |
| 23:52.44 | antgel | Manoj_: i didn't know debian was only for a certain type of user |
| 23:52.46 | Gathond | kevin^: not sure about the specific version numbers, but sure that sarges were lower |
| 23:52.48 | MikeWasHere05 | you're all like "hey, synaptic. find me mysql server and install it" |
| 23:52.49 | Zargonog | and i read the workaround |
| 23:52.50 | kevin^ | Gathond: If I try to put a 2.6.13 kernel on the latest amd64 debian-installer, I get "panic: unable to mount root file system ram/0" or some such. |
| 23:52.51 | Mortalman | vorlon: I was in the process of making such a "proxy" when I relized such a thing might always exist. My terminology may be way off. --> http://clay.servebeer.com/bounce/ |
| 23:52.51 | l4vim | bob2: thank you |
| 23:52.52 | MikeWasHere05 | and it's all like "k!!!" |
| 23:53.03 | gravity | ricky_clarkson: That didn't make sense... |
| 23:53.06 | bob2 | kevin^: #debian-amd64 might know more |
| 23:53.07 | MikeWasHere05 | then it does your dishes, and bowser does a backflip |
| 23:53.08 | Manoj_ | MikeWasHere05, glad you like synaptic |
| 23:53.08 | Gathond | kevin^: that would stand to reason if udev does not work yes |
| 23:53.13 | ricky_clarkson | gravity: s/of/if/ |
| 23:53.22 | gravity | ricky_clarkson: Still don't understand. |
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| 23:53.22 | antgel | Manoj_: fine, so when they come in here and can't type ls, we should tell them that debian is not aimed at them? |
| 23:53.31 | gravity | antgel: We do |
| 23:53.34 | Manoj_ | antgel, debian is for people who can deal with what debian has to offer |
| 23:53.36 | mfrisch | what is the bigest argument not to use active directory in windows? |
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| 23:53.45 | dvs | mfrisch: Windows |
| 23:53.46 | ricky_clarkson | gravity: Sid is usable for newbies. So newbies will use sid. |
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| 23:53.51 | kevin^ | But it's the freaking package authentication that has stopped me right now. |
| 23:54.09 | vorlon | Mortalman: ah, so you want a webpage that proxies HTTP requests. Yeah, I don't know of anything like that which is generally usable. |
| 23:54.12 | gravity | ricky_clarkson: Right, but that's fine. I'm ok with that. I used sid as a newbie too. One month of stable and I was on sid. |
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| 23:54.18 | Manoj_ | antgel, what debian has to offer is what the voluneteers do -- and what they do is often what they like doing, so most of the things that get done appeal to developers, and the documentation follows suit |
| 23:54.18 | gravity | ricky_clarkson: Before it was sid, mind you. |
| 23:54.19 | antgel | gravity: fine. perhaps the info should be on the page before. |
| 23:54.20 | dreamie | how does one ping in the console? |
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| 23:54.28 | Gathond | kevin^: you might want to check the specifics in the kernel changelog and your dpkg though |
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| 23:54.30 | ricky_clarkson | gravity: Fair enough. |
| 23:54.32 | thingfish | ricky_clarkson: yeah, but when something in sid breaks, they come here for help. |
| 23:54.39 | Manoj_ | antgel, I often steer such people to mandriva or ubuntu |
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| 23:54.40 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: As do I. |
| 23:54.46 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:54.53 | antgel | Manoj_: i hear all that. i've offered to help so you can stop acting like i'm having a go at you all. we're supposed to be on the same site |
| 23:54.53 | gravity | ricky_clarkson: But the thing is, if newbies use sid and then blame debian for it breaking, that's an issue. |
| 23:54.57 | antgel | s/site/side |
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| 23:54.58 | mfrisch | dvs I am a temp and had to "deal" with its #$%% I would think its false security and think heimadel is better. |
| 23:54.58 | gravity | ricky_clarkson: We need a place to do our development. |
| 23:54.59 | MikeWasHere05 | does anybody know how to _fix_ the scancode error? |
| 23:55.00 | Mortalman | vorlon: You understanding may be close enough, but relly I just want to bypass filters at libraries and such. lol |
| 23:55.02 | asuffield | Mortalman: where are many such things |
| 23:55.03 | MikeWasHere05 | i can hide it with dmesg -n 6 |
| 23:55.08 | Manoj_ | antgel, we are indeed on the same side |
| 23:55.09 | asuffield | Mortalman: the filters usually block them |
| 23:55.13 | asuffield | s/where/there/ |
| 23:55.14 | MikeWasHere05 | but is it a problem? |
| 23:55.17 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: But I wait until I've got nothing else to do before I dist-upgrade, and even then I don't usually bother. |
| 23:55.18 | cirdan | anyone use pgp5 from unstable? the apache-modules command seems broken |
| 23:55.21 | Manoj_ | antgel, welcome to the debian heated discussion |
| 23:55.27 | cirdan | and the lines to add to the conf are not in the docs |
| 23:55.33 | Seb | cirdan: you did check the BTS, right ? |
| 23:55.33 | cirdan | s/pgp5/php5/ |
| 23:55.41 | cirdan | no |
| 23:56.03 | Seb | cirdan: very good. Now go do that. |
| 23:56.10 | eeyore- | mfrisch: if you're in windows environment, there's no "worthy" reason to resist AD. it's just too painful otherwise. |
| 23:56.12 | kevin^ | QGathond: Um, specifics of what, exactly? |
| 23:56.18 | thingfish | ooh Manoj_, whatcha gonna cook? |
| 23:56.19 | Seb | cirdan: never come in here asking about a problem in sid if you haven't checked the freaking BTS first |
| 23:56.25 | Mortalman | asuffield: Block them how? Damnit, there has got to be a way. lol |
| 23:56.25 | dreamie | so no one here helps others |
| 23:56.30 | cirdan | Seb: grrr...there's not supposed bugs in debian packages :-p |
| 23:56.32 | dreamie | is everything i say here will be ignored? |
| 23:56.32 | antgel | Manoj_: good to be here. i think a lot of DDs get annoyed as they do the best they can etc. it's not personal. i never had a go at anyone. i jsut saw 500 people a day come here with no idea how to get sound or x working, or who have fucked their system some other way |
| 23:56.33 | kevin^ | Gathond: Sorry, the scroll here is so fast it's hard to keep track while STFWing for docs. |
| 23:56.34 | thingfish | sure they do, dreamie. |
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| 23:56.41 | FallOnMe | dreamie: no ;-) |
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| 23:56.52 | vorlon | gravity: but the solution isn't to tell users "don't use sid", it's to do a better job of helping people make an informed decision about the trade-offs of each dist. |
| 23:56.57 | asuffield | Mortalman: cgi proxy sites are listed in the filtering databases as 'hacking' and sometimes 'terrorism', and so they get blocked |
| 23:57.04 | antgel | vorlon: i agree completely |
| 23:57.04 | jvw | antgel: right, and that's what those people have been told: "If you don't know, come to #debian, we'll help you" |
| 23:57.06 | Seb | dreamie: "how does one ping in the console" ? What is that supposed to mean ? |
| 23:57.14 | asuffield | Mortalman: sites that provide instructions for bypassing filters are 'hacking', 'terrorrism', and 'porn' |
| 23:57.20 | dreamie | there is no internet on my debian |
| 23:57.20 | gravity | vorlon: I agree with that. I feel like the info is definitely out there. Half of /. talks about it any time Debian is mentioned, for instance. |
| 23:57.24 | dreamie | and i dont know why |
| 23:57.27 | jvw | antgel: everybody at some point doesn't yet know the difference sid vs stable, etc |
| 23:57.28 | Gathond | kevin^: but I think you are out of luck with regard to 2.6.12, at least without you upgrading udev (or do the sensible thing and toss the POS) |
| 23:57.29 | asuffield | Mortalman: likewise any news articles that diss the filters |
| 23:57.32 | antgel | jvw: who told them to do that before reading the abundant docs? |
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| 23:57.41 | jvw | antgel: if you're getting tired of helping those people, get a break |
| 23:57.48 | vorlon | gravity: yeah, and /. is about as informative as MTV |
| 23:57.49 | Seb | dreamie: how about you take it form the beginning, state what conneciton you have, how you attempted to configure it, and how it fails ? |
| 23:57.52 | thingfish | dreamie: do you have some exotic new nic or something? |
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| 23:57.53 | Mortalman | asuffield: Ok, but my site isn't listed. Do you know of a program that I can use to accomplish this? |
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| 23:58.03 | antgel | jvw: they should. how can anyone install an os without informing themselves about basics like that? |
| 23:58.06 | bob2 | dreamie: are you really using Debian? |
| 23:58.07 | dreamie | no thingfish |
| 23:58.07 | kevin^ | Gathond: I have 2.6.12 working, it's just 2.6.13 I'm having problems with. But I've fogired out a way to do it with 2.6.12 and then compile 2.6.13 native and shuffle things around. |
| 23:58.08 | gravity | vorlon: Well, if we're talking about newbies, they get a lot of info from things like /. |
| 23:58.09 | asuffield | Mortalman: I'm thinking you want to head to peacefire.org |
| 23:58.09 | jvw | antgel: admittingly, Debian kinda sucks at having good docs, docs in a way that you can quickly find what you're looking for |
| 23:58.13 | bob2 | dreamie: you were just asking the same question in #ubuntu |
| 23:58.15 | mfrisch | can I install stable with a testing cd? |
| 23:58.17 | jvw | antgel: there are a lot, but not really organised |
| 23:58.21 | Seb | hahahaha |
| 23:58.23 | antgel | jvw: i do take a break now and then |
| 23:58.24 | thingfish | ah, bob2 clues us in... |
| 23:58.27 | antgel | jvw: *nod* |
| 23:58.27 | vorlon | gravity: there's information out there, but is it in the path for the user who's trying to make the decision? Is it even in the path for the user who comes to our website *looing* for that info? |
| 23:58.29 | dreamie | bob2, no i wasnt |
| 23:58.29 | Seb | burnt by bob2, ever watchful :D |
| 23:58.31 | Mortalman | asuffield: Being that you know more about this than I.. I' |
| 23:58.36 | dreamie | bob2, copy and paste it |
| 23:58.39 | Mortalman | m starting to think the same thing. |
| 23:58.42 | bob2 | dreamie: if you're using ubuntu, you need to ask in #ubuntu |
| 23:58.48 | antgel | vorlon: my point exactly |
| 23:58.48 | jvw | antgel: so, people decide to simply ask the question. That's what this channel is for, right? |
| 23:58.50 | Gathond | kevin^: yes, and the minimum version required for udev is mentioned in the changelog in 2.6.13 as a newer version than is in sarge |
| 23:58.50 | gravity | vorlon: Well, our website is admittedly teh SuX0r, but we already knew that :-) |
| 23:58.52 | vorlon | mfrisch: currently? Probably not. |
| 23:58.55 | dreamie | bob2 i have 2 different computers |
| 23:59.07 | jvw | gravity: yeah :) |
| 23:59.07 | bob2 | dreamie: with the exact same problem? |
| 23:59.12 | dreamie | no |
| 23:59.13 | Seb | hahahaha |
| 23:59.13 | vorlon | gravity: well, I don't think it's appropriate that we be blase about this fact |
| 23:59.14 | Seb | this is too good |
| 23:59.14 | gravity | vorlon: But talking about the little problems when the whole thing needs a re-design isn't really the solution. |
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| 23:59.31 | mochrul | 1/quit |
| 23:59.32 | atom-z | whats udev? |
| 23:59.32 | dreamie | bob2, i did not say anything in ubuntu |
| 23:59.34 | FallOnMe | bob2: no need to go to #ubuntu if it's not an ubuntu _specific_ question. |
| 23:59.37 | gravity | !udev |
| 23:59.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
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| 23:59.42 | antgel | jvw: yes it is. it's conventional and sensible to read docs before coming to irc where it's people's time that you are taking up |
| 23:59.42 | dreamie | bob2, stop lying |
| 23:59.44 | vorlon | yes, well, I haven't heard any exciting news post-DebConf suggesting that a rewrite is in the works |
| 23:59.56 | atom-z | heh ok |
