| 00:00.03 | thingfish | dreamie: bob2 has been around a long time. You haven't. |
| 00:00.03 | jvw | antgel: well, but people new to linux etc are usually also new to IRC |
| 00:00.07 | gravity | vorlon: I don't think so either. |
| 00:00.07 | jvw | antgel: and to conventions like that |
| 00:00.14 | vorlon | so incremental fixes may be the only option. |
| 00:00.15 | cirdan | hey Seb no bugs open on the issue |
| 00:00.15 | gravity | It'll go for a few more years probably |
| 00:00.18 | mfrisch | vorlon its a month old or so netistall iso I am having problems going straight to testing and think issues will be resolved if I go stable >testing |
| 00:00.24 | antgel | jvw: something that i find bizarre is how so many of these people find their way here :) |
| 00:00.30 | Seb | cirdan: then you can file one... *evil laugh* |
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| 00:00.33 | MikeWasHere05 | i think synaptic froze (the computer is 120MHz/64MB RAM) |
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| 00:00.42 | MikeWasHere05 | it's been applying changes for the last 10 minutes |
| 00:00.42 | jvw | antgel: newsflash, Debian is popular |
| 00:00.45 | vorlon | mfrisch: the testing install CDs have been fairly broken since shortly after sarge's release, AFAIK. |
| 00:00.46 | antgel | jvw: yes, another thing getting people's backs up is not reading the topic |
| 00:00.51 | dreamie | thingfish, and???? it is not true what he said |
| 00:00.57 | jvw | antgel: huge amounts of people use it, and a fraction of those are newbies at a given time |
| 00:01.04 | FallOnMe | antgel: well, IRC is easier to find than Debian Reference Manual, apparently ;-) |
| 00:01.08 | thingfish | dreamie: what I mean, is, he's got credibility, you don't yet. |
| 00:01.09 | bob2 | er, oops |
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| 00:01.11 | jvw | antgel: and that fraction is actually quite big... |
| 00:01.12 | bob2 | my mistake |
| 00:01.16 | Seb | heh |
| 00:01.19 | bob2 | dreamie: I'm very sorry |
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| 00:01.21 | thingfish | oh |
| 00:01.23 | thingfish | hehe nm |
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| 00:01.29 | dreamie | bob2, no problem |
| 00:01.31 | thingfish | apologies dreamie. |
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| 00:01.33 | mfrisch | vorlon have you had issues having a clean install after installing new packages? |
| 00:01.37 | bob2 | don't I look dumb now |
| 00:01.38 | gravity | Wow... someone actually didn't go to #ubuntu first. Will wonders never cease? :-) |
| 00:01.46 | Seb | dreamie: so no that this is sorted out, how about you go with my suggestion: take it form the beginning, state what conneciton you have, how you attempted to configure it, and how it fails ? |
| 00:01.56 | eeyore- | bob2: you need a little swift kick in the heinie |
| 00:02.01 | Seb | !beer bob2 |
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| 00:02.29 | enzyte | is there any programs u can view images from the comand line and not x sever |
| 00:02.31 | antgel | jvw: i don't know if you looked at bug 325655 yet. it's quite possible for a newbie to go to the homepage, and navigate all the way to downloading an iso without being nudged toward documentation in the slightest |
| 00:02.32 | vorlon | mfrisch: I don't know what you're asking. |
| 00:02.39 | Seb | enzyte: apt-get install fbi |
| 00:02.45 | dreamie | seb: i was on earlier today and my isp kept cutting me off. and now that i come back on...my laptop which has sarge on it can not get on any servers in bitchx. i would try to ping but i dont remember the command |
| 00:02.46 | Seb | can't people fucking read anymore or what ?? |
| 00:03.00 | Seb | dreamie: surprise, ping thehost.com |
| 00:03.03 | thingfish | the command for ping is ping. |
| 00:03.03 | HE | enzyte: You have asked the same question three times already. |
| 00:03.04 | dreamie | seb: no i havent tried to configure it today but i had isp access earlier today |
| 00:03.18 | Seb | HE: and, he's been answered too ;) |
| 00:03.18 | Caelum | enzyte: there's also zgv which uses SVGAlib if you don't use a framebuffer |
| 00:03.23 | mfrisch | vorlon I think I will use a different iso... |
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| 00:03.38 | dreamie | seb: unknown host |
| 00:03.45 | Seb | dreamie: do you mind telling us *what* connection we're talking about ? |
| 00:03.47 | kevin^ | Ah! Bingo! APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1 ; |
| 00:03.49 | Seb | dreamie: dude, ping something real |
| 00:03.51 | Seb | oh man |
| 00:03.59 | Seb | what is going on, is this weekend already or what ? |
| 00:04.03 | antgel | Seb: he's been here before. clueless |
| 00:04.12 | thingfish | thursday is almost weekend... |
| 00:04.13 | dreamie | seb: i have tried google and yahoo ...unknown host |
| 00:04.17 | Seb | antgel: sheesh, I can see that |
| 00:04.17 | HE | Seb: Calm down. |
| 00:04.18 | gravity | mmm... weekend |
| 00:04.19 | FallOnMe | Seb: thehost.com actually exists (and is alive) |
| 00:04.24 | Seb | FallOnMe: haha, nice :) |
| 00:04.25 | dreamie | seb: i have dsl. |
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| 00:04.41 | Seb | dreamie: so what do the ppp/pppoe log say about your connection ? |
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| 00:04.45 | Seb | logs |
| 00:04.55 | jvw | antgel: ah, that bug is constructive, thanks |
| 00:05.03 | dreamie | seb: how do i get to see ppp/pppoe |
| 00:05.15 | jan____ | hi, i'm trying to rebuild the suphp package, it has support for apache 1.x and 2.x, i only want the suphp binary to be built for 2.x, but it looks it's trying 1.x by default, where/how do i change that? what option for dpkg-buildpackage, or where can i find it? |
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| 00:05.26 | Seb | dreamie: how do you usually connect to your isp ? You type some command ? It's "magically" up after you boot ? |
| 00:05.34 | antgel | jvw: i'm not just a pretty face |
| 00:05.37 | Seb | dreamie: /var/log/ppp.log would be it iirc |
| 00:05.37 | HE | dreamie: Logfiles for system services are normally stored in /var/log |
| 00:05.51 | thingfish | antgel: I bet you have a nice body, too. |
| 00:06.01 | streuner | HE: syslog or messages for pppd |
| 00:06.06 | bob2 | jan____: it will probably require editing debian/rules |
| 00:06.11 | bob2 | jan____: perhaps it's a ./configure option |
| 00:06.13 | antgel | !cool thingfish |
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| 00:06.19 | dreamie | seb: no such file |
| 00:06.21 | antgel | shitbot |
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| 00:06.32 | FallOnMe | dreamie: you might start by showing us all the active network connections: ifconfig -a (not here, use http://channels.debian.net/paste and tell the url here) |
| 00:06.34 | Seb | dreamie: must go to /var/log/syslog by default then |
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| 00:06.39 | dreamie | seb: i usually just turn computer on and go do my thing and sometimes get on bitchx |
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| 00:06.53 | Seb | dreamie: try ps aux | grep ppp |
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| 00:07.02 | Seb | dreamie: we first need to find out whether or not ppp is running |
| 00:07.12 | streuner | HE: or tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 00:07.14 | dreamie | seb: permission denied |
| 00:07.18 | FieldySnuts | as root. |
| 00:07.20 | streuner | as root |
| 00:07.25 | dreamie | i am as root |
| 00:07.32 | jan____ | bob2: yes, been there done that, but the compile totaly fails |
| 00:07.36 | antgel | heh |
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| 00:07.44 | HE | dreamie: In that case, you can't get a permission denied. |
| 00:07.45 | bob2 | jan____: well, perhaps ask the maintainer |
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| 00:07.48 | jan____ | bob2: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: apache-dev (>= 1.3.20) docbook-to-man |
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| 00:07.55 | jan____ | and euhm, thats for apache 1.x ;-) |
| 00:08.07 | bob2 | jan____: er, that's because you did't install them or remove them from debian/cotrol |
| 00:08.15 | streuner | dramie: whoami |
| 00:08.35 | dreamie | whoami: root |
| 00:08.44 | jan____ | bob2: so you think i should just remove the apache 1.x stuff from the control file, lets see |
| 00:08.52 | dreamie | bash /var/log/syslog: permission denied |
| 00:08.56 | jan____ | err, rules |
| 00:09.02 | Seb | heh |
| 00:09.06 | thingfish | hoping for a hit or two. |
| 00:09.06 | mfrisch | Seb :-)~ |
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| 00:09.12 | bob2 | jan____: if you don't want it to build-=depend on apache 1, edit debian/contorl, yes |
| 00:09.13 | HE | dreamie: Errr, you need to use tail or less or something to *view* it. |
| 00:09.16 | streuner | dreamie: ls -l /var/log/syslog |
| 00:09.18 | Seb | sure thing, i'll DCC some over |
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| 00:09.24 | jvw | dreamie: tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 00:09.39 | thingfish | Seb: bless you, dear boy. |
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| 00:10.06 | streuner | Seb: you usallly see it in syslog |
| 00:10.11 | dreamie | rw-r------ 1 root adm 18463 date /var/log/syslog |
| 00:10.34 | Seb | streuner: if it's running or now at one given time ? :\ |
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| 00:10.46 | Seb | streuner: i thought my ps aux | grep ppp was simpler :) |
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| 00:10.59 | streuner | Seb: yes that work prolly too ;-) |
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| 00:11.09 | Seb | heh |
| 00:11.11 | FallOnMe | Dammit, it's 2am here and I'm stupid. I can't find the Overfiend's message about the state of #debian on the web, on Usenet, Gmane, or anywhere. |
| 00:11.20 | asuffield | FallOnMe: correct, you can't |
| 00:11.22 | gravity | FallOnMe: You won't |
| 00:11.22 | streuner | Seb: nevermind |
| 00:11.22 | dreamie | weird |
| 00:11.31 | FallOnMe | internal list? |
| 00:11.34 | gravity | Yes |
| 00:11.37 | Mortalman | asuffield: Yeah, peacefire.org has a windows program... this doesn't help me on my debian server. |
| 00:11.41 | FallOnMe | eh. |
| 00:11.43 | streuner | dreamie: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 00:11.46 | asuffield | Mortalman: I thought they had a bunch of links |
| 00:11.48 | HE | FallOnMe: No, it was sent to all DDs by telepathy. |
| 00:12.01 | Seb | argh, 6 more persons before me before I'm officially made a DD 8) |
| 00:12.05 | FallOnMe | HE: cool. |
| 00:12.08 | antgel | DDs: another thing is a lot of problems with people fucking up kernel compiles, not using make-kpkg, using vanilla sources, etc. we say well use the fucking debian infrastructure, and they say, don't want to, and then get annoyed at us |
| 00:12.19 | Mortalman | asuffield: Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place because I don't see it. |
| 00:12.21 | dreamie | localhost insmod /lib/modules/2.4.27-2.386/kernal/drivers/usb/hosy/uhci.o init module: no such device |
| 00:12.24 | antgel | when 95% of them don't even need to compile it |
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| 00:12.40 | dreamie | insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parametters including invalid IO or IRQ parameters |
| 00:12.46 | jvw | antgel: well, in my case, on one computer I recently upgraded to sarge, the kernel won't boot :) |
| 00:12.48 | dreamie | insmod ihci failed |
| 00:12.54 | FallOnMe | I'll just post some wnpps for, dunno, pear modules, I guess. |
| 00:12.54 | dreamie | uhci cant be loaded |
| 00:12.55 | jvw | antgel: just the first line, then hang |
| 00:12.58 | bob2 | dreamie: that means yo udon't have hardware that driver works with |
| 00:12.58 | jvw | antgel: I have no idea |
| 00:12.59 | Seb | dreamie: run my ps aux | grep ppp line please |
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| 00:13.06 | dreamie | missing kernel or user mode driver uhc |
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| 00:13.20 | jvw | (gotta go, back in 30minutes or so) |
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| 00:13.25 | Seb | bob2: let's remember he's trying to find out why he has no connectivity. I mean, we can safely ignore his off-topic remarks, I guess ;) |
| 00:13.31 | bob2 | hah |
| 00:13.33 | jan____ | bob2: http://jan.sin.khk.be/rules , that are the rules, so there is apache1 stuff in it, (removing the apache1 dep doesn't solve anything, i still wants to compile it for apache1 too) |
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| 00:13.51 | dreamie | seb: no such file or directory |
| 00:13.52 | bob2 | jan____: I don't think you've explained your goal clearly enough then... |
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| 00:13.55 | asuffield | Mortalman: well, http://www.proxys4all.com/web-based.shtml is a bunch of public ones, and http://www.jmarshall.com/tools/cgiproxy/ is one implementation |
| 00:14.06 | Seb | dreamie: no, ps aux | grep ppp |
| 00:14.08 | dreamie | bob2, how is that possible? it was working a few hours ago |
| 00:14.17 | jan____ | bob2: ok, sorry, i just want to build it for apache2 ;-) |
| 00:14.34 | dreamie | seb, ok |
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| 00:15.07 | jan____ | bob2: could it be install: build-apache build-apache2 -> removing the 'build-apache' |
| 00:15.14 | jan____ | i'm just guessing actually |
| 00:15.21 | vorlon | antgel: then you say "sorry, unsupported, try asking the people you got your kernel from", just like any commercial support outlet would do? :) |
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| 00:15.23 | bob2 | does this software support apache2? |
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| 00:15.57 | dreamie | seb: did that |
| 00:16.08 | Seb | dreamie: and ? |
| 00:16.10 | jan____ | bob2: actually it's the suphp binary, used by libapacheX-mod-suphp |
| 00:16.11 | asuffield | vorlon: generally we redirect them to another channel. then they usually pay no attention. so we have to throw them over there |
| 00:16.17 | antgel | vorlon: we do. then they bitch and moan, ask again, say that it works in cockbuntu etc. |
| 00:16.21 | jan____ | bob2: but it looks like it's compiling now |
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| 00:16.32 | dreamie | seb: nothing happened. it just went to prompt |
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| 00:16.42 | bob2 | ok, I officially have no idea what you're trying to do |
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| 00:16.46 | Seb | dreamie: ok, so ppp is not running |
| 00:16.48 | jan____ | bob2: ;-) |
| 00:16.59 | Seb | dreamie: ls /etc/ppp/peers/ |
| 00:17.05 | asuffield | vorlon: also, they usually insist that since we're providing free software, we must provide free support as well, regardless of what they happen to be running. do not underestimate the amount of drugs these people are on |
| 00:17.15 | dreamie | dsl provider provider |
| 00:17.27 | FallOnMe | dreamie: so no ppp is running. How do you connect to the internet when it works, you just turn on the computer and it works? |
| 00:17.33 | Seb | dreamie: try this: pon dsl |
| 00:17.36 | Seb | dreamie: as root |
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| 00:17.48 | antgel | it's a shame that for the first time ever abrotman and greycat aren't around. they'd have more to say i'm sure. |
| 00:18.09 | beardy | about what? |
| 00:18.12 | vorlon | asuffield: I pride myself on not underestimating the blood content of the average computer user. Yes, kicking is obviously warranted in that case. |
| 00:18.20 | dreamie | FallOnMe, yeah usually i just turn it on and it works |
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| 00:18.37 | asuffield | vorlon: and that's exactly what they get. so, umm, what was the point again? :P |
| 00:18.47 | antgel | beardy: the state of #debian and how the channel is a bunch of rude cocks who don't help people |
| 00:18.50 | FallOnMe | dreamie: Ok, so you have some kind of a auto-dial DSL router. |
| 00:18.51 | dreamie | seb, /etc/ppp/peers/dsl does not exist |
| 00:19.02 | Seb | FallOnMe: let me try to finish this one up, then if I fail it's yours. But he obviously has no bandwidth for the both of us ;) |
| 00:19.07 | dreamie | FallOnMe, yes my dsl is a router |
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| 00:19.12 | FallOnMe | Seb: ok |
| 00:19.13 | asuffield | vorlon: disregarding all the people who don't know what's going on that are bitching about things that don't happen or offering advice which is either wrong or originally taken from this channel as a model, that is |
| 00:19.58 | FallOnMe | dreamie: follow seb for now. ;-) |
| 00:19.58 | Seb | dreamie: i asked you to ls /etc/ppp/peers and you told me dsl was there |
| 00:20.00 | vorlon | asuffield: <shrug> I don't know, antgel seems to be complaining that these people are a source of problems on the channel? |
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| 00:20.00 | dreamie | seb yes that is what it said |
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| 00:20.03 | Seb | FallOnMe: how do you understand "my dsl is a router" ? Does he mean he has one of those dsl routers/switch ? |
| 00:20.06 | antgel | vorlon: i repeat that you won't hear from the happy ones. human nature |
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| 00:20.11 | beardy | antgel: More than before? I think it goes up and down, depends on the amount of users and type of questions, and of course the mood of people. |
| 00:20.20 | Seb | dreamie: qis your debian box connected directly to the dsl modem, or to an intermediary router/switch ? |
| 00:20.28 | dreamie | when i did pon dsl it said that /etc/ppp/peers/dsl does not exist |
| 00:20.35 | beardy | It was worse earlier today IMHO. |
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| 00:20.40 | dreamie | seb, to a switch |
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| 00:20.58 | asuffield | vorlon: more precisely, they are the source of an appearence of problems. these are the people who complain about how awful #debian is, along with the people who have been in briefly, watched one of them getting kicked out, and complain about how awful the process was |
| 00:21.02 | Seb | dreamie: ok, then you have an ethernet cable from your debian box to this switch, right ? |
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| 00:21.09 | dreamie | seb, yes |
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| 00:21.16 | FallOnMe | sed: I think so, yes. Then again, my ISP also sells dsl routers as "DSL modems", so that doesn't mean much. |
| 00:21.17 | Seb | dreamie: try ifconfig | grep eth0 |
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| 00:21.23 | FallOnMe | Seb: I think so, yes. Then again, my ISP also sells dsl routers as "DSL modems", so that doesn't mean much. |
| 00:21.23 | antgel | beardy: yeah sure. the DDs have had a discussion on private. annoyingly, the channel at the moment is normal for the first time in weeks and nobody is being moronic |
| 00:21.30 | enzyte | exit |
| 00:21.30 | Seb | FallOnMe: k |
| 00:21.32 | dreamie | seb, ok |
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| 00:21.44 | Manoj_ | asuffield, err, the channel is surely not being set up as a paragon of support vectors for debian? |
| 00:21.52 | dreamie | seb: did it |
| 00:21.57 | herbi | antgel, i was bored, so i deleted my /etc...HELP! :P;) |
| 00:21.59 | nichos | hi all, i recently upgraded and now my xscreensaver doesn't turn the monitor off - the option is checked |
| 00:21.59 | Seb | dreamie: and ? nothing ? |
| 00:22.02 | nichos | it worked once |
| 00:22.08 | dreamie | seb, it just went to the prompt |
| 00:22.11 | Seb | dreamie: ifup eth0, as root |
| 00:22.14 | antgel | !knoppixsmite herbi |
| 00:22.15 | mfrisch | herbi :-0 |
| 00:22.19 | asuffield | Manoj_: I'd sure like to see somebody do better. I think this is about as good as it gets |
| 00:22.21 | Seb | dreamie: in geek language, we say "it didn't return anything" |
| 00:22.21 | Manoj_ | nichos, what kernel version are you running? |
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| 00:22.39 | Manoj_ | asuffield, err, that's not really saying much |
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| 00:22.40 | Mariele | /whois mariele |
| 00:22.43 | nichos | Manoj_ 2.6.6 #1 SMP |
| 00:22.45 | antgel | DDs: we had two people today who claimed to have rm'd /bin/tar although i accept that they may have been trolling |
| 00:22.45 | Mariele | :) |
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| 00:22.55 | asuffield | Manoj_: <shrug> it's saying the only thing that really matters. it's this, or worse, or nothing. pick one. |
| 00:22.56 | nichos | Manoj_ was working with my older version of xscreensave,r before the upgrade |
| 00:22.56 | dreamie | seb, did it. what are you looking for |
| 00:23.10 | Manoj_ | nichos, the prblem may be that you used to be running with APM, and now have acpi with 2.6 |
| 00:23.14 | Seb | dreamie: retry the ifconfig | grep eth0 |
| 00:23.17 | benley | omfg, ssh !@#$!@#$%!(#@$*!@#($!*#@$ |
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| 00:23.24 | FallOnMe | Manoj_: other resources notwithstanding, I find #debian to be the most useful live support for the distro. |
| 00:23.25 | Manoj_ | nichos, did you compile your own kernel? |
| 00:23.34 | dreamie | linkencap: ethernet |
| 00:23.36 | nichos | Manoj_ yes, about 5months ago |
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| 00:23.38 | Seb | Manoj_: I concur with FallOnMe |
| 00:23.39 | dreamie | does that mean i am online now? |
| 00:23.45 | nichos | Manoj_ havent rebooted since the upgrade |
| 00:23.48 | benley | So upon searching the ssh-krb5 sourcecode, it appears that GSSAPIUseSessionCredCache does _absolutely nothing_ |
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| 00:23.57 | antgel | dreamie: no, you're not online |
| 00:24.03 | Manoj_ | Seb, FallOnMe: I think I usually refer to people to the mailing list |
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| 00:24.08 | Seb | dreamie: it should. Try it. |
| 00:24.16 | vorlon | antgel: the simple fact is that this channel is sufficiently unbearable that most DDs won't log into it for any significant period of time, and I think that's bad for the community (possibly worse for DDs than for others, I dunno). I do wander in here from time to time, and prior to this instance, the channel has always been dominated by people whose behavior in answering questions is such that I had no desire to be associated with t |
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| 00:24.18 | Manoj_ | nichos, ok, so much for my theory |
| 00:24.18 | Seb | Manoj_: you're right, it depends on what kind of people |
| 00:24.24 | asuffield | I've been in the IRC-like support game for a very long time, and this is the best I've ever seen |
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| 00:24.31 | nichos | Manoj_ :) it did work once though |
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| 00:24.36 | sunnyflowers | seb, its working |
| 00:24.38 | FallOnMe | Manoj_: debian-user? If I have time to wait for the answer, I usually have time to investigate myself. |
| 00:24.39 | sunnyflowers | seb, thanks |
| 00:24.40 | Seb | Manoj_: people that cannot quite state their problem are better in here, due to the interacgtive nature of IRC. Although they piss us off ;) |
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| 00:24.47 | Manoj_ | nichos, soory, I do not have an idea why. Has the X server also been upgraded? what else changed? |
| 00:24.53 | Seb | sunnyflowers: cool. So next time it doesn't work, try the ifup eth0 again |
| 00:24.56 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:25.07 | Seb | FallOnMe: wew, did it :) |
| 00:25.11 | nichos | Manoj_ a lot:) it was an apt-get upgrade |
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| 00:25.16 | _OvO_ | -) |
| 00:25.41 | linuxg0d | anyone work on zm ? |
| 00:25.43 | Manoj_ | nichos, on the command line, try "xset q" |
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| 00:25.51 | antgel | vorlon: you could always /ig them. would be great to see more DDs here. it _is_ weird atm though. perhaps i'm actually asleep and dreaming. |
| 00:25.53 | Manoj_ | nichos, and look for things like DPMS |
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| 00:26.09 | FallOnMe | !win Seb |
| 00:26.09 | nichos | Manoj_ DPMS is Disabled |
| 00:26.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, Seb! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 00:26.18 | Manoj_ | nichos, aha |
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| 00:26.24 | beardy | linuxg0d: Please try to ask a question that can be asnwered instead, what is it that you need help with, what is more exactly your problem? |
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| 00:26.27 | asuffield | vorlon: I really don't think there are any such individuals in particular. what you're seeing is an endless flood of random people, different each time (except the trolls, who are merely using different hosts each time) |
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| 00:26.34 | Seb | vorlon: your msg got cut after "associated..." for me |
| 00:26.35 | antgel | vorlon: it's not unbearable for about 7-800 regulars (before the recent attack on the network) |
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| 00:26.46 | Reilithion | !tell zm -about yesno |
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| 00:27.01 | asuffield | we chase them out as fast as possible, but they come so fast that if you're here for any length of time, you will see several |
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| 00:27.02 | nichos | Manoj_ thanks for pointing me in the right direction - ill read up on this:) |
| 00:27.15 | antgel | asuffield: except tonight |
| 00:27.26 | Manoj_ | nichos, man xset would do it -- I think xset dpms on should help |
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| 00:27.33 | asuffield | antgel: we've had at least one in the past couple hours |
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| 00:27.36 | dreamie | how do you check if someone is idle? |
| 00:27.37 | beardy | !dpms |
| 00:27.37 | dpkg | [dpms] know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
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| 00:27.45 | Gozar | Hello, when i run apt-get update I get this error "Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Error occured while processing ibm-jdk1.1-installer (NewPackage) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened." What do I do? |
| 00:27.54 | antgel | asuffield: normally 6 in a couple of hours! |
| 00:27.57 | Seb | thingfish: you're about to miss the show ;if you leave now ;) |
| 00:28.02 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:28.04 | antgel | Gozar: google on the mmap error line |
| 00:28.13 | asuffield | antgel: friday night, they're out drinking |
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| 00:28.25 | asuffield | it picks up in about 12 hours |
| 00:28.27 | thingfish | hehe Seb |
| 00:28.28 | vorlon | antgel: uh, that's not the point. Of course I can ignore them. I can also leave the channel. Neither action changes the fact that I'm ashamed to have them as the user-facing representatives of Debian. |
| 00:28.30 | asuffield | that's when they're hung over |
| 00:28.30 | antgel | asuffield: friday night? you in a time machine? |
| 00:28.33 | Seb | thingfish: :D |
| 00:28.38 | asuffield | umm, thursday night |
| 00:28.42 | beardy | dreamie: /whois nick sometimes tell you, donät remember how freenode does. |
| 00:28.52 | Gozar | OKay |
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| 00:29.05 | vorlon | Seb: associated with them. |
| 00:29.07 | thingfish | there's an excellent house/progressive DJ named Seb Fontaine. |
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| 00:29.16 | Seb | vorlon: i must have missed the beginning of this discussion, but what behaviors are you more specifically referring to ? |
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| 00:29.23 | Seb | vorlon: in a nutshell, of course ;) |
| 00:29.32 | Seb | vorlon: oh ok, so there wasn't much cut... |
| 00:29.35 | Manoj_ | Seb, percieved rudeness? |
| 00:29.41 | Seb | ok |
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| 00:29.46 | vorlon | asuffield: I don't keep logs, so can't check; but I do recall that the last few times I'd been in the channel, there were regulars who were being rude towards newbies. |
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| 00:29.59 | thingfish | hey, cappicard is from my home town! |
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| 00:30.00 | DoppelGanger | ha ha |
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| 00:30.04 | asuffield | vorlon: are you confident that you can identify the difference between a newbie and a GNAA troll? |
| 00:30.10 | Seb | well, when someone says rude & #debian, I automatically think mwilson :D |
| 00:30.12 | DoppelGanger | nice connection r4ndy |
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| 00:30.25 | thingfish | Seb: hahaha that's excellent, me too! |
| 00:30.41 | DoppelGanger | so what if someone is rude to a newbie thts what ppl get for not rtfming |
| 00:30.42 | FallOnMe | vorlon: try getting here at Europe work-time (10h-15h UTC), you might catch some of that. |
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| 00:30.46 | antgel | asuffield: i hear that |
| 00:30.49 | Gozar | I have not touched apt-conf?? |
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| 00:30.56 | Seb | thingfish: of course. He's the local god of rudeness. |
| 00:31.06 | thingfish | Seb: there's something the matter with that boy. |
| 00:31.06 | vorlon | asuffield: I'm not clear on why the difference is significant. Can you explain why politely directing newbies elsewhere if they're beyond help isn't an appropriate strategy for GNAA trolls as well? |
| 00:31.06 | Manoj_ | DoppelGanger, well, we would rather such rude people moved to, say, #Windows-Help |
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| 00:31.28 | DoppelGanger | Manoj_: get over it |
| 00:31.28 | Seb | thingfish: he knows the exact day he's gonna die, that sure can mess you up. |
| 00:31.31 | Gathond | Gozar: probably not, but you probably have to if you got that error |
| 00:31.37 | antgel | Manoj_: it's easy to say when you're not in the frying pan |
| 00:31.39 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:31.48 | Manoj_ | DoppelGanger, no, rahter, if such rude people can't get over it, they should be banned |
| 00:31.52 | Seb | thingfish: i'm not even kidding |
| 00:31.57 | vorlon | Seb: the name mwilson sounds familiar, but I'm hesitant to try to pin my recollections of rudeness on any particular nick I remember seeing in the channel. |
| 00:32.07 | Manoj_ | DoppelGanger, presence in this channel is not a right, as well you know |
| 00:32.07 | thingfish | Seb: surely you aren't even close to serious. |
| 00:32.09 | beardy | When you've been in here for a (quite long) while, you don't see it as rude as it perhaps is. Some of it rubs of on yourself too. On the other hand, some people really need to try to answer their questions themself by reading documentation and other obvious (perhaps not to all..) things. |
| 00:32.09 | Seb | vorlon: oh you can safely go ahead there :D |
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| 00:32.14 | Seb | thingfish: i am dead serious |
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| 00:32.26 | thingfish | Seb: does he have some sort of terminal illness? |
| 00:32.31 | asuffield | vorlon: the trolls we get here are *good*. some of them, anyway. they can draw most people into an argument. they will never go away on their own. and they aren't exactly popular; it's something of a stretch to ask people to be nice to them |
| 00:32.33 | DoppelGanger | he he oh now mwilson told someone to read a manual boo hoo end of the world |
| 00:32.35 | Seb | vorlon: i mean, there are definitely others, but he's so much more... superior :) |
| 00:32.37 | DoppelGanger | no* |
| 00:32.41 | antgel | beardy: the voice of fucking reason. |
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| 00:32.48 | vorlon | Seb: what, mwilson is on death row and is out of appeals? :P |
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| 00:32.52 | FieldySnuts | still talking about this eh |
| 00:32.54 | Seb | thingfish: suprisingly, I think he's pretty smart and articulate. Just real weird on some things. But once again, ain't we all ? |
| 00:33.08 | thingfish | that is true... |
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| 00:33.09 | Seb | vorlon: no, I proposed that as scientific explanation and that wasn't it |
| 00:33.10 | Gozar | But I never got it before in 1 and a ½ year, why now? |
| 00:33.13 | asuffield | vorlon: and we have so much trouble from them that some people then get trigger-happy, and I can't really see much to be done about that either |
| 00:33.17 | Manoj_ | DoppelGanger, leading people to the proper dicumentation is a good thing. being rude about it is not. |
| 00:33.32 | thingfish | ooh, I like that, dickumentation. |
| 00:33.35 | antgel | Manoj_: again, easy for you to say. |
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| 00:33.42 | DoppelGanger | ha sorry rtfm saves typing space more than saying google |
| 00:33.43 | DoppelGanger | he he |
| 00:33.46 | Manoj_ | asuffield, one can crack down on trigger happiness too |
| 00:33.53 | Ronin | wow are we still on this? |
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| 00:34.05 | vorlon | asuffield: nah, I said polite, not nice; I'm in favor of kicking all the people you need to, but it's better for everyone if the channel doesn't degenerate into hurled epithets before that happens |
| 00:34.12 | Manoj_ | antgel, I am practicing what I preach. and I do it on any of the channels I normaly infest |
| 00:34.25 | asuffield | Manoj_: you could. if you wanted to lose the majority of the useful people. |
| 00:34.33 | Seb | sheesh, I guess he was here right now to take part in this most interesting debate |
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| 00:34.35 | asuffield | <vorlon> kevin^: I think you're a fool for running unstable on servers. |
| 00:34.36 | antgel | Manoj_: good, hope to see more of you as your influence is clearly calming |
| 00:34.41 | asuffield | vorlon: you've been here two hours. try two years :P |
| 00:34.47 | Manoj_ | asuffield, well, that would be a start. since then other people may come back to fill the void. |
| 00:34.48 | Seb | although his side usually boils down to "i have no patience for cluelessness" :\ |
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| 00:34.59 | antgel | we can't have this discussion without greycat, abrotman and mwilson, can we? |
| 00:35.02 | FallOnMe | antgel: No, he's right. It's a case of no-one-knows-you're-a-dog, people reacting differently and less politely on IRC (Usenet, whatever) than in, say, real life. |
| 00:35.03 | vorlon | asuffield: oh, that was impolite? I thought that was a perfectly reasonable observation. :) |
| 00:35.14 | AristoMagnus | Someone know how to configure Horde to be on /var/www |
| 00:35.15 | asuffield | vorlon: I think I've made my point :P |
| 00:35.16 | Manoj_ | asuffield, I recall when lots less rude people used to live in here -- there is no reason why we can't revert |
| 00:35.17 | Seb | antgel: definitely not without mwilson |
| 00:35.20 | Ronin | antgel: i can fill in for them, im seeing thier side more and more clearly lately |
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| 00:35.26 | Seb | antgel: i don't think greycat is ever rude, now is he ? |
| 00:35.31 | thingfish | my thing with IRC is, you really shouldn't type something that you wouldn't say to someone's face. The distance between us makes it all too easy to say/type things we wouldn't normally say to another human being. |
| 00:35.34 | Seb | Ronin: the dark one ? |
| 00:35.38 | asuffield | Manoj_: in the snow. uphill both ways. |
| 00:35.42 | Seb | thingfish: agreed |
| 00:35.48 | Manoj_ | antgel, politeness does not mean borg like consensus |
| 00:35.52 | pygrammer | thingfish: fuck you! AHAHAHHAHHA ... heh |
| 00:35.54 | antgel | thingfish: but it also makes it easier for people to take advantage |
| 00:36.01 | Manoj_ | asuffield, not so long ago either. |
| 00:36.12 | Seb | mwilson: you there by any chance ? |
| 00:36.16 | antgel | Ronin: as am i |
| 00:36.16 | thingfish | pygrammer: your momma runs behind the army troops with a mattress tied to her back. |
| 00:36.19 | FallOnMe | thingfish: my thoughts exactly. |
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| 00:36.23 | Seb | mwilson: come take part to a very interesting discussion :> |
| 00:36.37 | pygrammer | thingfish: ... :'( |
| 00:36.40 | asuffield | Manoj_: that was when there weren't floods of hostile users, anyway. I can guarantee that if you got back the same people right now, it would be different |
| 00:36.41 | thingfish | pygrammer: ;) |
| 00:36.45 | pygrammer | you can't insult mommas on IRC |
| 00:36.45 | pygrammer | no fair |
| 00:36.52 | thingfish | sorry, my bad. |
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| 00:37.15 | Reilithion | thingfish: Yeah, what if someone doesn't have a momma? |
| 00:37.17 | beardy | Didn't anyone tell him about root? |
| 00:37.19 | pygrammer | ~ _ ~ |
| 00:37.24 | Manoj_ | asuffield, I've been dealing with hostile users for decades, really. One does nt need to be rude. |
| 00:37.26 | pygrammer | haha |
| 00:37.33 | asuffield | and I for one am not going to hold other people to some standard of perfect self-control. that's no way to run a channel |
| 00:37.38 | mfrisch | I think the main point is that everyone here has not used Debian for four + years and in the great sceme of things the more people switching to Debian is a good thing. We should lend a hand, if we have the knowledge to do so. Period :-) |
| 00:37.40 | asuffield | Manoj_: that's funny, you seem to manage it often enough |
| 00:37.41 | thingfish | Reilithion: well, then, your daddy runs behind the army troops with a mattress tied to his back. |
| 00:37.47 | Gozar | Apt::Cache-Limit 10485760; did the trick. thanks |
| 00:37.48 | Seb | vorlon: but seriously, you need to come more often so you're able to name names, the next time ;) |
| 00:37.48 | Reilithion | lolo |
| 00:37.55 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:38.02 | pygrammer | be PC, please |
| 00:38.03 | Manoj_ | asuffield, not on a user channel, I don't think |
| 00:38.06 | pygrammer | don't be ignorant |
| 00:38.10 | FallOnMe | Manoj_: hey, even the channel bots are rude. Try logging to IRC as root an get mocked by them. ;-) |
| 00:38.16 | pygrammer | there are people out there with neither a momma nor a poppa |
| 00:38.19 | antgel | DDs: when i came here a month or two ago, i was probably a little more lenient. but time goes by and you _have_ to be a bit harder or you get shat on. we see an endless queue of morons. they come, stay 5 minutes then fuck off to install ubuntu. |
| 00:38.23 | Ronin | FallOnMe: as you should be for being on irc as root |
| 00:38.50 | Seb | see ,some poeple do think rudeness is an adequate answer to some IRC behaviors |
| 00:38.52 | Manoj_ | FallOnMe, yes. there is a lot of stuff in dpkg that gets misused, as well, lending nothing to the channel |
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| 00:38.59 | antgel | Manoj_: if you are really practising what you preach, i look forward to seeing more of you and people of your calibre. |
| 00:38.59 | FallOnMe | Ronin: maybe I've setup my identd to pose as a clueless newbie. ;-) |
| 00:39.03 | SynrG | FallOnMe: there's rude, and there's brutally honest ... there's a fine line :) |
| 00:39.09 | asuffield | FallOnMe: you kinda have to know xk to understand that one |
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| 00:39.18 | Manoj_ | antgel, perhaps we should be leading them to ubuntu in the first palce? |
| 00:39.21 | pygrammer | SynrG: there's little line to some people |
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| 00:39.30 | pygrammer | *no line |
| 00:39.46 | bob2 | he was |
| 00:39.47 | SynrG | pygrammer: i was referring to the bot abusing people over connecting as root |
| 00:39.48 | asuffield | Seb: xk did a considerable amount of work on the blootbot code, yes |
| 00:39.50 | bob2 | timriker does it now |
| 00:39.54 | pygrammer | i prefer to deem myself brutally honest rather than rude, as I think the latter is negative |
| 00:40.00 | Seb | that was a *long* time ago, though, it seems |
| 00:40.04 | Gathond | rude is all in the eyes that see anyway, what one person would see as reasonably polite someone is bound to find insulting over all borders |
| 00:40.06 | pygrammer | although some people admire rude people |
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| 00:40.13 | antgel | Manoj_: i have done sometimes, but some of them are hell bent on installing debian, which i like, but sometimes you can see it's not for them. perhaps they want to see themselves as more clueful, i don't know |
| 00:40.13 | asuffield | SynrG: that's a *joke*. it's one that people don't seem to get |
| 00:40.15 | mfrisch | SynrG irc as root is stupid |
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| 00:40.20 | thingfish | pygrammer: honest is good; brutally *anything* is not all that good. |
| 00:40.28 | SynrG | yes, exactly. i agree. |
| 00:40.33 | beardy | SynrG: To be told not to do anything stupid is not abusive. |
| 00:40.39 | pygrammer | thingfish: what if I thought your g/f was really ugly so I told you? |
| 00:40.44 | Seb | for the first time in my life I really really wish mwilson was here |
| 00:40.44 | SynrG | sorry, i should have quoted "abused" |
| 00:40.44 | Seb | :D |
| 00:40.47 | pygrammer | thingfish: is that honest, brutally honest, or rude? |
| 00:40.50 | SynrG | i'm in agreement |
| 00:41.03 | SynrG | if someone ircs as root, that's stupid, and they need to be told so |
| 00:41.06 | Seb | i guess this is a once-in-a-lifetime feeling |
| 00:41.09 | vorlon | antgel: yes, I'm well aware that end-user support wears on one. I think we need better answers than to have the same people perpetually bombarded by users until they become inured to it. |
| 00:41.11 | thingfish | pygrammer: well, being as I'm gay, I don't have a girlfriend, just a hubbie. |
| 00:41.11 | antgel | Manoj_: one guy has reinstalled sarge 5 times this week, tried stable, sid, the works, still can't get it to work with his bleeding-edge hardware. |
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| 00:41.21 | pygrammer | thingfish: oops. |
| 00:41.23 | pygrammer | talk about PC. |
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| 00:41.33 | asuffield | the blootbot announcement of root users is actually there to tell the rest of the channel that we've got another idiot who needs to be chased into a user account before somebody roots him |
| 00:41.36 | thingfish | pygrammer: and feel free to insult either of us. |
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| 00:41.50 | pygrammer | thingfish: where are you from? |
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| 00:42.00 | Ronin | heh never thought id say it but id rather the spambots and some learning about linux then this "please why cant we all just get along" |
| 00:42.06 | FallOnMe | thingfish: well just extrapolate the hetero example. But I vote rude. |
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| 00:42.14 | thingfish | pygrammer: from the middle of the frickin' USA. |
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| 00:42.21 | pygrammer | thingfish: ah |
| 00:42.23 | pygrammer | well, ok |
| 00:42.25 | pygrammer | bbs |
| 00:42.26 | pygrammer | dinner |
| 00:42.26 | beardy | gravity: Perhaps, but on the other hand, you have to start somewhere.. |
| 00:42.28 | pygrammer | :) |
| 00:42.33 | asuffield | Ronin: unfortunately we have a bunch of bloody hippies in debian |
| 00:42.34 | thingfish | yum, whatcha having? |
| 00:42.35 | Reilithion | thingfish: three cheers for getting the heck out of here? |
| 00:42.44 | thingfish | hehe Reilithion |
| 00:42.44 | antgel | another idea. we get a load of "will debian work on my hardware that's so bleeding edge it's still warm from the factory". do we think it would be useful to have some sort of HCL or reference to one? |
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| 00:42.47 | pygrammer | thingfish: curry |
| 00:42.50 | pygrammer | bbs |
| 00:42.50 | ardibeltz | hi all |
| 00:42.51 | Seb | thingfish: there, it's on |
| 00:42.55 | thingfish | oh no! I love curry. |
| 00:42.58 | ardibeltz | may i ask a question |
| 00:43.02 | Reilithion | !ask |
| 00:43.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:43.03 | Ronin | asuffield: hey im as touchy feely as the next guy especially if its my wife or claudia schiffer but give me a break |
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| 00:43.14 | gravity | beardy: IF he sees problems he should fix them, rather than complain to us. |
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| 00:43.22 | FallOnMe | antgel: linuxlaptops has a HCL ... for laptops only, obviously. |
| 00:43.27 | benley | Can someone remind me how to build a custom deb that won't be overwritten by the next Debian version of that package? |
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| 00:43.28 | antgel | Ronin: *nods furiously at comment about getting along* |
| 00:43.30 | beardy | gravity: I agree. |
| 00:43.31 | gravity | I'm kinda busy fixing older problems that people have already stopped complaining about |
| 00:43.49 | gravity | beardy: You can just install your custom deb and then put the package on hold |
| 00:43.51 | bob2 | benley: put it on hold, or make the version higher than what it would be in debian |
| 00:43.52 | gravity | benley: ^ |
| 00:43.54 | ardibeltz | ok, well i can't boot my knoppix 3.7, it hangs at a line, when detect usb bus |
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| 00:44.02 | asuffield | Ronin: if you try and do it with everybody, including the ugly foul-smelling guys with rank beards, you're a hippie |
| 00:44.02 | antgel | !tell ardibeltz about knoppix |
| 00:44.04 | bob2 | ardibeltz: #knoppix would know |
| 00:44.08 | beardy | ah, tab completion.. :) |
| 00:44.08 | Seb | heheheh |
| 00:44.11 | bob2 | Reilithion: that's a nice factoid |
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| 00:44.28 | bob2 | benley: dch -v1.2.3.4-1 "My new version." |
| 00:44.30 | ardibeltz | it says exactly "usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4" |
| 00:44.35 | antgel | bob2: and one of the most common |
| 00:44.35 | thingfish | hehe SilentLucidity, whatcha doing in here, looking for trouble? |
| 00:44.36 | Reilithion | bob2: Yes, quite. |
| 00:44.39 | ardibeltz | :) |
| 00:44.42 | benley | bob2: aha, dch. Thank you. |
| 00:44.51 | antgel | ardibeltz: take it to #knoppix. read the screen please |
| 00:44.53 | bob2 | benley: or edit debian/changelog with $editor |
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| 00:45.12 | ardibeltz | ok, i'll do so |
| 00:45.13 | Seb | bob2: hehe, see, I cannot ever say $editor, only emacs :) |
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| 00:45.40 | antgel | that was easy. they usually g "but knoppix is a live cd baased on debian" |
| 00:45.57 | gravity | Yeah, normally they fight you |
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| 00:46.04 | Seb | benley: oh well ;) |
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| 00:46.43 | Seb | is there like a dd wiki with all those cool DD-tools related tricks ? |
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| 00:46.59 | gravity | Seb: Not really |
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| 00:47.06 | Seb | gravity: too bad |
| 00:47.07 | lanchow | Q: i have several usb drivers and they don't always have the same /dev/sdXX, what could i do please ? |
| 00:47.08 | FallOnMe | Seb: for example...? |
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| 00:47.11 | asuffield | Seb: it's mostly lore |
| 00:47.15 | Seb | gravity: that;d be real nice |
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| 00:47.18 | Seb | !dict lore |
| 00:47.21 | dpkg | Dictionary 'lore' (3 of 9): If please ye, listen to my lore. --Spenser. ;; . Lore \Lore\, obs. imp. & p. p. of Lose. [See Lose.] Lost. ;; 2. CGE, Marcoussis, France. Set-based language [same as 1?] E-mail: Christophe Dony <chd.ibp.fr>. |
| 00:47.23 | lisa_ | I can dial into Internet using Mepis and Ubuntu! But when I try to connect to my ISP using Sarge, I get following errors: |
| 00:47.24 | bob2 | lanchow: you can't, this is what udev is for |
| 00:47.24 | lisa_ | localhost pppd[1624]: The remote system is required to authenticate itself |
| 00:47.24 | lisa_ | localhost pppd[1624]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. |
| 00:47.24 | lisa_ | localhost pppd[1624]: (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.) |
| 00:47.34 | lisa_ | anyone know why? |
| 00:47.39 | bob2 | Seb: sort of communal knowledge |
| 00:47.46 | Seb | bob2: got it |
| 00:47.47 | drew | I changed my fstab mount points for my vfat and ntfs partitions, but they still stayed mounted to the old directories as well as the new ones, is it safe to delete the old directories now? |
| 00:47.47 | beardy | lisa_: /msg dpkg paster |
| 00:47.49 | gravity | Seb: Indeed. If you want to go for it, I'd love to see it happen. |
| 00:47.54 | lisa_ | beardy, what? |
| 00:47.54 | gravity | It really is a lot of hearsay |
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| 00:48.02 | beardy | !paster |
| 00:48.02 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 00:48.05 | Seb | gravity: i'll put it somehwer in the middle of my todo list :\ |
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| 00:48.08 | gravity | heh |
| 00:48.09 | beardy | ^^ lisa_ |
| 00:48.25 | lisa_ | beardy, any idea why I cant connect to internet using Sarge? |
| 00:48.27 | antgel | drew: type mount, are they all listed? |
| 00:48.27 | Seb | gravity: or after I'm a DD, that is ;) |
| 00:48.36 | asuffield | gravity: hearsay is somebody giving an account of something they did not witness. lore is somebody passing on something that they know works :P |
| 00:48.37 | Seb | btw, this new DD queue is going real good these days |
| 00:48.40 | gravity | Seb: Just get going. You don't need to be a DD to edit wiki.debian.net |
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| 00:48.46 | antgel | is lisa_ back? see that's a troll |
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| 00:48.47 | gravity | asuffield: Ah, right. Thanks :-) |
| 00:48.48 | FallOnMe | now that is a strange message. Why does the local system ask the remote to authenticate? |
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| 00:48.56 | Seb | gravity: hehe, true |
| 00:48.56 | gravity | asuffield: Although some of the tools feel like hearsay sometimes ;-) |
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| 00:48.57 | lisa_ | When I try to connect using kppp in Sarge, I get: "The remote system is required to authenticate itself, but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.)" |
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| 00:49.10 | asuffield | gravity: well, there is some of it in the documentation :P |
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| 00:49.24 | bob2 | lisa_: does pppconfig and pon work? |
| 00:49.28 | asuffield | some people have a blind spot when it comes to words like "I think" or "maybe" when they ask questions |
| 00:49.35 | asuffield | and then they go and write documentation based on other people's guesses |
| 00:49.41 | gravity | Yeah |
| 00:49.45 | Seb | i didn't remember dch, for instacen, but that might just me, hehe |
| 00:49.49 | travisat | I think you maybe right |
| 00:49.53 | lisa_ | bob2, I ran pppconfig and entered info, yes! |
| 00:50.09 | lisa_ | bob2, whats pon do? |
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| 00:50.20 | travisat | !pon |
| 00:50.20 | bob2 | lisa_: connect to the internet |
| 00:50.20 | dpkg | hmm... pon is want to run pon without root? As root, type: 'adduser <USER> dip', log out, log back in and give it a shot :) and chown -R root.dip /etc/ppp or 'apt-get install ppp' |
| 00:50.35 | gravity | Seb: Just check out devscripts in general. |
| 00:50.41 | beardy | lisa_: pon is the program/command that dials your isp, poff, is used when disconnecting. |
| 00:50.50 | gravity | Seb: I don't know it as well as I should (I've only just started using dch lately for instance) but it's a goldmine |
| 00:50.58 | lisa_ | bob2, I ran pppconfig and entered info. but nothing happened to help me to connect |
| 00:50.58 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.59 | Seb | lpon/ppp don't use the same settings as kppp though, which is dumb |
| 00:51.00 | FallOnMe | wtf GNAA anyway? |
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| 00:51.07 | bob2 | lisa_: you run the pon command... |
| 00:51.10 | bob2 | mo1991: install build-essential |
| 00:51.13 | bob2 | FallOnMe: www.gnaa.us |
| 00:51.13 | lisa_ | beardy, I tuped pon, and nothing happened |
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| 00:51.17 | asuffield | FallOnMe: organised trolling group that targets #debian, amoung other places |
| 00:51.26 | Seb | gravity: k, I'll rmemeber that |
| 00:51.27 | bob2 | lisa_: watch your logs ; sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 00:51.36 | AristoMagnus | !horde |
| 00:51.37 | petemc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.39 | lisa_ | bob2, I typed pon, and nothing happened! no messahe was given and nothing seemed to happen |
| 00:51.52 | vorlon | lisa_: the option that needs to be set in your PPP config is 'noauth'; I don't use kppp, so I don't know the best way to achieve that. |
| 00:52.01 | FallOnMe | asuffield: eh, some people have no life. |
| 00:52.03 | Seb | lisa_: log goes to syslog for pon |
| 00:52.06 | beardy | lisa_: I think you have to give it the alias of your ISP, that you gave pppconfig, i e 'pon MyISP' |
| 00:52.13 | asuffield | FallOnMe: duh :P |
| 00:52.21 | asuffield | gnaa is also helix's fan club |
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| 00:52.25 | mo1991 | how do I build a debian package from source? Do I use alien rather than doing a ./configure make make install???? |
| 00:52.30 | Caelum | if the trolls are getting organized, they should get some AK-47s and do some good in the real world instead :) |
| 00:52.42 | mo1991 | or dpkg command? |
| 00:52.58 | drew | antgel, yes they are all listed |
| 00:53.00 | Caelum | mo1991: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 00:53.02 | bob2 | mo1991: no, alien has nothing to do with it |
| 00:53.02 | FallOnMe | Caelum: you meant, s/they/we/ |
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| 00:53.16 | bob2 | mo1991: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us, in the debian source dir |
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| 00:53.23 | antgel | drew: you need to unmount the ones that you don't want. |
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| 00:53.40 | FallOnMe | Caelum: or was it a call for Darwin Award nominees? |
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| 00:53.59 | lisa_ | vorlon, what do you mean? |
| 00:54.02 | Caelum | FallOnMe: my psychiatrists cured me, they sawed off my horns. Now I'm a perfect member of society |
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| 00:54.23 | helix | gnaa <3 me |
| 00:54.25 | drew | antgel, I tried umount /dev/hda2 (my ntfs) and it said device is busy |
| 00:54.25 | drew | same with the vfat |
| 00:54.32 | helix | they even talk about me in #perl and #mandriva |
| 00:54.39 | FallOnMe | Caelum: Didn't know that psychiatrists do surgery. |
| 00:54.48 | gravity | #mandriva is so hot right now |
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| 00:54.53 | antgel | drew: so you have both things mounted twice? |
| 00:54.53 | lisa_ | beardy, when I type pon or pon myispname, nothing happens! the modem lights stay off and doesnt dial |
| 00:54.56 | vorlon | lisa_: "the option that needs to be set in your PPP config is 'noauth'; I don't use kppp, so I don't know the best way to achieve that." I meant what I said; what wasn't creal? |
| 00:55.00 | Caelum | FallOnMe: you don't want to, either |
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| 00:55.16 | lisa_ | vorlon, PPP config is 'noauth'? Whats that mean? |
| 00:55.23 | Caelum | lisa_: run plog |
| 00:55.26 | Seb | haha |
| 00:55.28 | mo1991 | Caelum - if I untarred the source code for a program to directory /sourcecode - what dpkg-build command do I do |
| 00:55.33 | Seb | vorlon: ;) |
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| 00:55.35 | drew | antgel yes |
| 00:55.37 | mo1991 | bob2 above |
| 00:55.38 | antgel | drew: try umounting by mount point, not device name |
| 00:55.41 | Caelum | mo1991: see the man page |
| 00:55.44 | lisa_ | Caelum, run plog from shell will dial my ISP? |
| 00:55.45 | drew | antgel okay |
| 00:55.46 | vorlon | Seb: ? |
| 00:55.52 | beardy | lisa_: Are you sure you have configured ppp? |
| 00:55.57 | Caelum | lisa_: it will show you why pon doesn't work if it doesn't |
| 00:56.00 | Seb | vorlon: "people not listening" |
| 00:56.04 | drew | antgel, it still says device busy |
| 00:56.10 | lisa_ | When I try to connect ATM using kppp in Sarge, I get: "The remote system is required to authenticate itself, but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.)" What exactly does this message mean? |
| 00:56.15 | Seb | drew: lsof /mntpoint |
| 00:56.18 | FallOnMe | antgel: Y'know, I'm starting to believe lisa_'s really a troll. ;-) |
| 00:56.19 | lisa_ | Caelum, ok |
| 00:56.20 | antgel | drew: ok, you need to lsof on the mount |
| 00:56.20 | vorlon | lisa_: it means you haven't set "noauth". |
| 00:56.30 | beardy | lisa_: It's been a while since I used ppp so someone else can probably give you better advice. |
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| 00:56.40 | bob2 | mo1991: is it a Debian source package? |
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| 00:56.42 | Seb | beardy: has already. 3 times :D |
| 00:56.44 | lisa_ | FallOnMe, im trying my best all day to connect to Internet using Sarge! WHY do you keep calling me a troll? :( |
| 00:56.46 | antgel | FallOnMe: yeah, what with being just like euphoric and coming from the same isp |
| 00:56.50 | Manoj_ | lisa_, the underlying configuration for ppp connections is varously in /etc/ppp/peers/ispname, /etc/chatscripts/ispname, and other places, and in /etc/ppp/peers/ispname I think you need a line that says noauth <-- this is what vorlon means |
| 00:56.52 | asuffield | vorlon: how many more times would you like to answer this question? |
| 00:56.55 | lisa_ | vorlon, whats "noauth"? |
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| 00:56.56 | antgel | FallOnMe: but she is a laydee :P |
| 00:56.58 | beardy | Seb: yeah.. |
| 00:57.05 | FallOnMe | lisa_: I don't keep doing that' This is the first time. |
| 00:57.10 | drew | antgel, okay I did that, now what? |
| 00:57.13 | asuffield | antgel: this is IRC. where the men are men, the women are men, and some of the sheep are men |
| 00:57.13 | vorlon | asuffield: none |
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| 00:57.25 | Caelum | heh |
| 00:57.26 | Seb | asuffield: ot the other way around |
| 00:57.29 | kevinv | Hello |
| 00:57.41 | lisa_ | im trying my best all day to connect to Internet using Sarge! and I cant connect to ISP! But weird, I can using Mepis or Ubuntu. |
| 00:57.42 | antgel | drew: did you see the files that are in use on the mountpoint? |
| 00:57.48 | kevinv | This is much of a generic Linux question, but it's been stumping me, ever so... |
| 00:57.48 | drew | antgel yes |
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| 00:58.02 | Seb | so is dpkg a blootbot, or something else ? |
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| 00:58.09 | lisa_ | Mepis uses SAME kppp dialup and config, so why does Mepis work and Sarge not I wonder |
| 00:58.10 | asuffield | that's a blootbot |
| 00:58.11 | Seb | dpkg, what are you ? |
| 00:58.11 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 00:58.14 | vorlon | lisa_: it's a PPP option, just like I said originally. You configured PPP somehow; you have to set noauth as part of that configuration; and if this isn't clear to you, then I can't help you. |
| 00:58.14 | beardy | Seb: Yes, blootbot. |
| 00:58.15 | Seb | heh |
| 00:58.16 | antgel | drew: right, kill the processes using them. you can't umount something that has an open filehandle |
| 00:58.16 | kevinv | It's about the 'Sound Server' thing. |
| 00:58.16 | Seb | right on |
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| 00:58.19 | Manoj_ | lisa_, noauth turns off authentication |
| 00:58.28 | drew | antgel, command? |
| 00:58.30 | lisa_ | Manoj_, Ah that makes sense |
| 00:58.51 | kevinv | If I have ALSA, am using Arts to use ALSA, what do I use with XMMS? Arts, or ALSA? |
| 00:58.56 | lisa_ | Manoj_, so how do I turn off this authentication that keeps hanging up my modem after 1 seconds? |
| 00:59.05 | antgel | drew: man kill, man killall |
| 00:59.05 | FallOnMe | kevin^: arts probably. |
| 00:59.09 | bob2 | kevinv: arts |
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| 00:59.15 | bob2 | kevinv: alsa would work if you configured dmix |
| 00:59.17 | antgel | drew: what sort of processes are they? |
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| 00:59.37 | FallOnMe | bob2: but then he wouldn't need arts, would he. |
| 01:00.09 | lisa_ | vorlon, I understand that now. so how do I set "noauth" ? |
| 01:00.09 | Manoj_ | now, all kinds of graphical configuration helpers help people to set these options in the text files under /etc/ppp; and how you change the options depends on the front end you use, unfortunately, neither vorlon nor I have any experience with kppp |
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| 01:00.10 | kevinv | bob2: Okay, thanks. |
| 01:00.10 | vorlon | lisa_: however you set up the rest of the config. |
| 01:00.10 | bob2 | FallOnMe: kde appears to require it, even if you have dmix |
| 01:00.11 | kevinv | What exactly are the advantages of ALSA? |
| 01:00.11 | bob2 | less latency |
| 01:00.11 | kevinv | My sound card is supported by both ALSA, and OSS |
| 01:00.11 | bob2 | less crap running |
| 01:00.13 | SynrG | lisa_: i have some limited experience with kppp |
| 01:00.16 | Manoj_ | lisa_, so, somewhere under kppp, is a mechanism for changing the noauth options |
| 01:00.26 | beardy | lisa_: You edit the file that holds your configuration,, and add the option noauth to it, it's located somewhere under /etc/ppp |
| 01:00.28 | antgel | kevinv: oss is deprecated |
| 01:00.36 | Seb | beardy: not with kppp, it's all GUI based |
| 01:00.47 | kevinv | antgel: Thanks, makes sense now. |
| 01:00.53 | lisa_ | beardy, ok |
| 01:00.56 | Manoj_ | lisa_, the alternative is to take a textr editor to the configuration files under /etc/ppp, but that can get complex. |
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| 01:01.09 | Seb | Manoj_: not with kppp ;) |
| 01:01.20 | beardy | Seb: Ok, but wasn't it pon that was to be used now? |
| 01:01.21 | drew | antgel, they appear to be regular files and folders |
| 01:01.24 | lisa_ | beardy, any idea what the line should look like that needs to be added? do I just type ""noauth" on any line? |
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| 01:01.43 | kevinv | What's ALSA's OSS emulation good for? Shouldn't every app support ALSA? |
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| 01:01.52 | kevinv | It just makes sense right? |
| 01:01.57 | FallOnMe | kevinv: some don't. |
| 01:01.59 | antgel | drew: yes, but what applications are using them? |
| 01:02.00 | mfrisch | kevinv not all |
| 01:02.03 | FallOnMe | kevinv: older apps. |
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| 01:02.21 | FallOnMe | kevinv: quake, for example. |
| 01:02.26 | antgel | drew: paste your lsof output please |
| 01:02.27 | bob2 | kevinv: yes, but it's still fairly new, so not everything does yet |
| 01:02.33 | antgel | !tell drew about paster |
| 01:02.37 | kevinv | But why? If OSS is deprecated, then apps should begin to convert to it. |
| 01:02.42 | bob2 | kevinv: they are |
| 01:02.45 | bob2 | but not all of them have yet |
| 01:02.48 | asuffield | kevinv: could take years |
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| 01:02.49 | bob2 | and some never will |
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| 01:02.58 | asuffield | like fucking shockwave |
| 01:03.00 | Manoj_ | kevinv, well, alsa became default in 2.6 kernels |
| 01:03.01 | asuffield | piece of shit |
| 01:03.26 | kevinv | Extactly, Shockwave is quite a big lumpy piece of shit. |
| 01:03.27 | lisa_ | is there any person here who is connected to their ISP using a modem? |
| 01:03.39 | kevinv | Macromedia just doesn't want to port it, but why? |
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| 01:03.47 | kevinv | Does that even make sense? |
| 01:03.56 | beardy | lisa_: Yes, noauth, on a single line, I found it in the example configuration in /etc/ppp/peers/provider, have a look in it, the last line. |
| 01:04.07 | SynrG | lisa_: i support a user who does that, and he uses kppp. i was about to install kppp again on my system, but it would force the removal of too many things ... |
| 01:04.24 | asuffield | you hit some random url, and it's got a crappy flash application on it. mozilla promptly freezes because shockwave is doing a blocking open on /dev/dsp and it's busy. then you curse shockwave loudly |
| 01:04.24 | SynrG | lisa_: i wanted to get a good look at it to try to remember where noauth would go |
| 01:04.29 | Manoj_ | lisa_, i am not now, but there remains vestigial ppp configs on my laptop |
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| 01:04.50 | lisa_ | beardy, so I open provider file in /etc/ppp/peers/ folder and on an empty line I type "noauth" ? |
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| 01:05.01 | asuffield | that was a reasonable summary of my university days. thankfully we have click-to-play-flash nowadays |
| 01:05.03 | lisa_ | SynrG, ok |
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| 01:05.14 | drew | antgel, http://channels.debian.net/paste/627 |
| 01:05.17 | SynrG | lisa_: give me a bit of time to try to work around my installation problem |
| 01:05.25 | SynrG | lisa_: a few minutes |
| 01:05.30 | lisa_ | SynrG, ok ty |
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| 01:05.45 | asuffield | vorlon: you will observe how the process now begins again with the next person :P |
| 01:05.57 | antgel | drew: aha! |
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| 01:06.18 | lisa_ | I have spent 7 hours now trying to connect Sarge to my ISP, and I dont want to give up. I will perists till it works. |
| 01:06.24 | Manoj_ | lisa_, in my /etc/ppp/options I have "auth" on a single line, this enables auth, and I can disable it for specific peers by setting noauth there. |
| 01:06.28 | kevinv | The reason why Linux is not attacting as much users, is the lack of MS-Windoze software not being ported. |
| 01:06.39 | antgel | drew: you're using famd. are you using a bloat desktop e.g. kde, gnome? |
| 01:06.43 | kevinv | Such as most gamers still perfer to use Windoze |
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| 01:06.52 | drew | antgel, I use kde |
| 01:06.56 | FallOnMe | kevinv: good for them! |
| 01:06.58 | lisa_ | Manoj_, ok! so I will add that line to my options file, thanks |
| 01:06.59 | antgel | kevinv: who said linux isn't attracting users? |
| 01:07.05 | Manoj_ | kevinv, well, that is a matter of economics |
| 01:07.06 | kevinv | Transgamers are at least trying to convert them over. |
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| 01:07.11 | asuffield | I prefer to use a playstation, nyah |
| 01:07.33 | Manoj_ | kevinv, but poeple like xandors and codeweawers are bridging that gap |
| 01:07.34 | FallOnMe | kevinv: I mean, this is not the kind of users that would like to use Linux in its present stat. |
| 01:07.37 | antgel | drew: are you doing this from kde? |
| 01:07.39 | kevinv | Linux is attacting users from mainly the business, and home office users, not mainly the big windoze gamers. |
| 01:07.47 | drew | antgel, I am doing it from a terminal in kde, yes |
| 01:07.48 | Manoj_ | and transgamers, as well |
| 01:07.57 | lisa_ | Manoj_, is the file called "options"? |
| 01:07.59 | antgel | drew: are you able to work outside kde? |
| 01:08.04 | asuffield | antgel: it's criminally short of decent games. just not got any staying power |
| 01:08.06 | sly007 | Can somebody explain me why, without .inputrc, delete key works well under bash, whereas it prints a ~ when there's an empty .inputrc??? |
| 01:08.14 | kevinv | I only use Windoze now, for my Webcam, and Ultima Online. |
| 01:08.15 | drew | antgel, like, in X? or what do you mean? |
| 01:08.28 | kevinv | After that gap is closed, I quit Windoze, lol |
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| 01:08.32 | Manoj_ | sly007, I think an empty .inputrc prevents the default from being loaded |
| 01:08.37 | antgel | asuffield: untrue. it doesn't have a large number of total releases, but a high percentage of them are quality |
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| 01:08.43 | lisa_ | so will noauth command fix this error: pppd[1624]: The remote system is required to authenticate itself ? |
| 01:08.43 | antgel | drew: no, console |
| 01:08.45 | asuffield | there's maybe half a dozen good games on the gamecube, plus the multi-platform ones - which you can't count because they play better on the ps2 by and large |
| 01:08.48 | kevinv | I can buy UO at Transgamers, but still my cam. |
| 01:08.55 | Manoj_ | lisa_, I hope so |
| 01:08.56 | drew | antgel, dunno, never tried |
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| 01:09.09 | sly007 | Manoj_, I added in .inputrc DEL: delete-char and still doesn't work |
| 01:09.28 | antgel | drew: right. now's not the time. get a root terminal, make sure all your other app windows are closed. |
| 01:09.29 | kevinv | My friends are huge in games, and won't use the stable, virus-free, spyware-free system that Linux is. |
| 01:09.32 | lisa_ | Manoj_, I hope so too! After 7 hours and 35 calls that dropped out. I want to get Sarge connected to my ISP :P |
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| 01:09.40 | asuffield | even nintendo gave up on it. it's annoying that the recent zelda games have been horribly expensive to access |
| 01:09.52 | lisa_ | Manoj_, ill try that and come back! thank you for your help |
| 01:10.05 | Manoj_ | sly007, Hmm. I seem to have "\C-[Ol" delete-char |
| 01:10.06 | drew | antgel, okay, now what> |
| 01:10.06 | subopt | About to install a debian derivative on my wife's box. Which of the free debian-based distros is the most newbie friendly? (I can't have her calling me 10x a day with questions.) |
| 01:10.12 | antgel | asuffield: nintendo gave up because their marketing is shit |
| 01:10.14 | gravity | I love my gamecube |
| 01:10.15 | SynrG | lisa_: good luck |
| 01:10.29 | Manoj_ | # set DEL/HOME/END |
| 01:10.30 | antgel | asuffield: and all the drones went "i want a sony" |
| 01:10.35 | lisa_ | Manoj_, so the file is called "options" and it resides in the /etc/ppp/ folder? |
| 01:10.35 | kevinv | Is there an OpenSource UO-like game for Linux? |
| 01:10.37 | antgel | drew: killall famd |
| 01:10.39 | Manoj_ | "\e[3~": delete-char |
| 01:10.48 | gravity | kevinv: A bunch but I don't know if any are ready for real use |
| 01:10.51 | sly007 | Manoj_, does not work on my box |
| 01:10.56 | gravity | kevinv: Check happypenguin.org |
| 01:10.57 | kevinv | I've seen lots of online games for Linux, but non with UO-likeness. |
| 01:10.57 | drew | antgel, now? |
| 01:11.00 | _OvO_ | asuffield: nintendo, playstation, is that debian related? |
| 01:11.03 | antgel | subopt: google for comparisons. or try knoppix or ubuntu |
| 01:11.04 | lisa_ | SynrG, thank you! I really want to get this working, so I wont give up. I know its probably somerthing simple to get it to work |
| 01:11.05 | Manoj_ | lisa_, correct. you can also put the line in the files in the /etc/ppp/peer/ folder |
| 01:11.15 | asuffield | antgel: that's because the ps2 is where you get final fantasy, disgaea, xenosaga, and more than I can count |
| 01:11.17 | kevinv | gravity: Thanks, I will. |
| 01:11.20 | subopt | antgel: thanks |
| 01:11.26 | drew | antgel, next? |
| 01:11.28 | antgel | drew: do the lsof again. see if there's any files there |
| 01:11.32 | Manoj_ | lisa_, find your ispname in /etc/ppp/peers/ folder, and you can get away with not tocuhing options |
| 01:11.40 | antgel | !tell drew about repeat |
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| 01:11.50 | lisa_ | Manoj_, ok thank you! wish me luck! ill be back later |
| 01:11.54 | Manoj_ | lisa_, also, make sure to cp file file.save for every file you modify, just in case |
| 01:11.56 | vorlon | asuffield: yes, I'm plenty familiar with the pattern. |
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| 01:12.12 | Manoj_ | sly007, you have all three lines? |
| 01:12.20 | sly007 | my DELETE key sends ^[[3~ |
| 01:12.20 | lisa_ | Manoj_, so I add "noauth" only in the /etc/ppp/peers/ folder,? |
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| 01:12.27 | SynrG | lisa_: i'm in the process of installing kppp on a 2nd system now |
| 01:12.33 | SynrG | lisa_: so i can have a look at it |
| 01:12.33 | antgel | asuffield: great. for me, nintendo is the only platform left with _playablity_. i couldn't care less about visual crap. the others feel cold to me. |
| 01:12.39 | lisa_ | SynrG, ah yes |
| 01:12.42 | drew | antgel, it has the same files except they are marked as kdeinit instead |
| 01:12.42 | SynrG | lisa_: in case this approach doesn't work for some reason |
| 01:12.46 | antgel | !start a console war |
| 01:12.54 | lisa_ | SynrG, i will wait till you finish |
| 01:12.55 | sly007 | Manoj_, HOME and END works well, I do not want to change them |
| 01:12.57 | lisa_ | SynrG, ty for the reminder |
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| 01:13.05 | Manoj_ | sly007, my copy is at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/inputrc.txt |
| 01:13.08 | lisa_ | SynrG, ok, ill wait for you to finish |
| 01:13.26 | Manoj_ | sly007, perhaps you could download and see what the differences are |
| 01:13.37 | zarathustra | hippie, if i want to install a new language in my system, i need to make a dpkg-reconfigure locales and select the language, isnt it ? But when I log out, and select the language, the system says it is not available |
| 01:13.40 | jim | is there a document in (kernel source tree)/Documentation which enumerates and describes each parameter possible to pass to the kernel? |
| 01:13.42 | antgel | drew: ok, kde has a lock on these files. you'll have to do this outside kde. get a pen. |
| 01:13.59 | drew | antgel, ok ready |
| 01:14.13 | asuffield | antgel: the ps2 is hardly a record beater on graphics, due to the low 320x200 graphics. if you want visuals, you use a PC. the reason for playing final fantasy X is *rikku* :P |
| 01:14.16 | antgel | drew:do you have graphical login screen? |
| 01:14.17 | sly007 | Manoj_, thannks, works with yours |
| 01:14.24 | drew | antgel, yes |
| 01:14.29 | zarathustra | oops, problem with the tab, the question was general |
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| 01:14.47 | antgel | asuffield: yeah but _to me_ ps2 is style over substance. zelda, mario, that's real gaming :D |
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| 01:14.56 | beardy | zarathustra: Do you have the locales package installed? |
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| 01:15.05 | zarathustra | beardy, yes |
| 01:15.06 | asuffield | antgel: trouble is that two games do not make a console :P |
| 01:15.16 | antgel | drew: ok, so first thing is to kill that. don't start till i tell you. |
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| 01:15.26 | lisa_ | SynrG, hows it going? |
| 01:15.48 | hd-foo-o-matic | hello! Can i shot a postfix+sasl / mysql authentication trouble question? it's not 100% ok. I have to enter the hashed password on client side, becouse sasl compares cleartext passwords |
| 01:15.52 | antgel | drew: ctrl-alt-f2. you should get a console login. login as root. /etc/init.d/kdm stop. give kdm a chance to stop |
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| 01:16.01 | SynrG | lisa_: having issues w. my wife's system |
| 01:16.20 | antgel | drew: this will hopefully also kill the kdeinit process holding those files. if not killall kdeinit. |
| 01:16.21 | tuv | many latex packages are missing in tetex debian packages, is there a debian-way of installing them? (e.g. algoirhtms latex package from contrib in ctan) |
| 01:16.37 | beardy | zarathustra: What do you mean by "When I log out and select the language"? Where do you select the language when logging out? Please clarify. |
| 01:16.37 | sly007 | Manoj_, the line to have is "\e[3~": delete-char. THANKS! |
| 01:16.45 | antgel | drew: do another lsof. verify clear. fix your mounts. /etc/init.d/kdm start. |
| 01:16.59 | antgel | drew: best of luck GOGOGO! |
| 01:17.03 | zarathustra | beardy, with gdm i select it, in the logging screen |
| 01:17.16 | sly007 | "\[[3~ should have worked but inputrc seems to only acept \e[3~ |
| 01:17.30 | SynrG | lisa_: you might want to just try Manoj_'s suggestion. i don't know how long this will take to fix. |
| 01:17.36 | beardy | zarathustra: Ok, when you login you mean? |
| 01:17.36 | drew | antgel ok ty |
| 01:17.47 | zarathustra | beardy, yes |
| 01:17.56 | lisa_ | SynrG, ok |
| 01:18.02 | beardy | zarathustra: What language are you trying to use? |
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| 01:18.22 | zarathustra | beardy, german, de_DE ISO-8859-1 |
| 01:18.26 | hd-foo-o-matic | anybody has issues whit crypted passwords in mysql + postfix sasl smtp authentication? I got no error message, becouse it's works, but compares the user's password in cleartext with the hashed one.. |
| 01:18.32 | antgel | asuffield: they both have several games. i only have about 10 games but don't have time to play them anyway. |
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| 01:18.51 | beardy | zarathustra: And you already have generated the locale with dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 01:19.06 | zarathustra | beardy, yes |
| 01:19.08 | beardy | zarathustra: Is it gnome you run? |
| 01:19.14 | asuffield | antgel: I don't count in games any more. I count in feet. |
| 01:19.14 | zarathustra | beardy, yes |
| 01:19.17 | zarathustra | gnome |
| 01:19.32 | _ray | does anybody have a good link on how to make a startup script for an application? |
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| 01:20.10 | beardy | zarathustra: I'm not sure, but gnome should have german locales, one reason for your error message could otherwise be that it wasn't available. |
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| 01:20.36 | SynrG | lisa_: in the kppp account configuration ... |
| 01:20.43 | SynrG | there seem to be two ways you might do this |
| 01:20.48 | zarathustra | beardy, but that means, that dpkg-reconfigure locales didnt work ? |
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| 01:20.56 | Rad | hi. how would I go about testing if sendmail/exim is working properly? I have a library that uses it and I want to see if the library is faulty or if it's my sendmail installation |
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| 01:21.01 | SynrG | first, there is an "Authentication" menu with a number of choices |
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| 01:21.12 | bob2 | Rad: reading tour logs would be a good start |
| 01:21.19 | SynrG | and then there is a "Customize pppd Arguments..." button |
| 01:21.22 | beardy | zarathustra: Check if there are additional gnome packages which includes the locale, perhaps it's split up, so that you don't need every locale installed, so look for a gnome-locale-de package (I'm not sure about the name of the package.) |
| 01:21.23 | antgel | Rad: send yourself an email |
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| 01:21.34 | Rad | antgel: right. I have no experience using sendmail though :p |
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| 01:21.39 | SynrG | lisa_: i would guess the noauth parameter could be added there |
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| 01:21.43 | SynrG | lisa_: using that button |
| 01:21.50 | antgel | Rad: good. don't use sendmail. |
| 01:22.04 | mo1991 | is there a way to edit the gnome menu in sarge? Also is there a way to edit the debian menu in sarge? |
| 01:22.12 | beardy | zarathustra: You could also try asking in #debian.de, someone there probably knows how to get it to work. |
| 01:22.16 | Rad | antgel: well technically I'm using exim |
| 01:22.28 | antgel | mo1991: have you even looked? /usr/share/doc/menu |
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| 01:22.47 | zarathustra | beardy, ok, i ll first search with apt-cache, and then ask in the german channel, thanks |
| 01:22.49 | _ray | mo1991: i think if you .......... apt-get install menu.........but i could be mistaken i forget what the package was called |
| 01:23.10 | antgel | Rad: ok, you can tail -f /var/log/exim/mainlog, and in another window, mail <whoever>. full stop on a line by itself to finish the messag |
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| 01:23.50 | chuck | I have a question, I am using KDE, just installed, and want to change my display settings to 1024X768 @ 60HZ, I know my monitor will do it, but when I change it the screen gets small and in the left and right 1/3 of the screen it is like a double image or something. Any ideas? |
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| 01:23.53 | zarathustra | beardy, but the strange thing is that a months ago I have installed spanish locales via dpkg-reconfigure and it worked |
| 01:24.04 | kamaraju | when I do sudo ifconfig, I see an entry for sit0. I dont know what this is. So I did "sudo ifconfig sit0 down". But even then it shows up in the ifconfig's output. What is sit0 and how can I bring the interface down? |
| 01:24.08 | drew | antgel, thanks, worked perfectly |
| 01:24.31 | mo1991 | antgel - how do I open /usr/share/doc/men |
| 01:24.34 | antgel | drew: good. just another example of the BADness of kde |
| 01:24.41 | antgel | jesus h |
| 01:24.49 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: a qotd contender? |
| 01:25.00 | bob2 | kamaraju: just ignore it, it's for ipv6 tunneling and does nothing unless you set it up |
| 01:25.07 | antgel | mo1991: it's a directory |
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| 01:25.49 | lisa_ | SynrG, where in kppp account configuration can noauth be added? |
| 01:25.57 | goldnlink | the sit0 interface is an internal interface used by Linux when routing IPv6 over IPv4. |
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| 01:26.02 | beardy | zarathustra: Yes, it's a bit strange.. Is there only one DE locale you can choose in dpkg-reconfigure locales? If there is more than one, try the others too. |
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| 01:26.19 | antgel | chuck: have you configured x with the right driver for your video card? |
| 01:26.19 | SynrG | lisa_: the "Dial" tab i think |
| 01:26.24 | zarathustra | beardy, there are others for the german language |
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| 01:26.31 | SynrG | lisa_: the "Customize ppd parameters" button on that |
| 01:26.38 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Hello my apt is screwed everytime I try to install something i get this error E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 01:26.38 | GnomeDesktop1337 | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 01:26.38 | GnomeDesktop1337 | any help would be appreciated |
| 01:26.40 | chuck | antgel i beleive so, its an ati, so i selected ati |
| 01:26.41 | goldnlink | kamaraju, the sit0 interface is an internal interface used by Linux when routing IPv6 over IPv4. |
| 01:26.45 | lisa_ | SynrG, ok |
| 01:26.50 | kamaraju | bob2: ok. That solves the issue with sit0. However I have similar entry for eth1 as well and I cannot bring that down |
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| 01:26.57 | SynrG | lisa_: type "noauth" in the textbox |
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| 01:27.03 | SynrG | lisa_: and press the "Add" button |
| 01:27.08 | bob2 | GnomeDesktop1337: how did you manage that? |
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| 01:27.34 | lisa_ | SynrG, ok |
| 01:27.39 | GnomeDesktop1337 | dunno added some wierd sources for prebuilt nvidia drivers |
| 01:27.52 | antgel | chuck: not a lot to day. used this pc/monitor before at that res? |
| 01:28.04 | _ray | mo1991: nano /usr/share/doc/menu/README |
| 01:28.09 | GnomeDesktop1337 | had to run all this kernel install crap with headers etc etc |
| 01:28.13 | ayeyen | I have connected through pppoe to my DSL. It appears ifconfig as ppp0. Im fairly sure itsworking, because it has gotten an IP assigned to it from my ISP. The thing is, icant ping or connect to anything. |
| 01:28.55 | antgel | ayeyen: i hope you have a firewall as you have a public ip on your box |
| 01:29.00 | GnomeDesktop1337 | anyways how do i activate the apt force loop break thingy? |
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| 01:29.13 | chuck | antgel: sorry, i dont understand, would i just need to reinstall or can i change the setting in kde? |
| 01:29.19 | beardy | ayeyen: No DNS server configured to be used? |
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| 01:29.41 | antgel | GnomeDesktop1337: why do you want to do something when it's clearly warning you not to and you don't know what you're doing? |
| 01:29.42 | ayeyen | beardy: how do i configure it? |
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| 01:29.57 | GnomeDesktop1337 | yeah did you try pinging a numerical IP? ayeyen? |
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| 01:30.04 | kevinv | Does anyone know how to use 'usbnet'? |
| 01:30.06 | antgel | chuck: i was asking if you have ever used the hardware at that res befor |
| 01:30.09 | ayeyen | GnomeDesktop1337: nope XD. |
| 01:30.16 | DoppelGanger | antgel: because he is leet |
| 01:30.17 | kevinv | Meaning connecting a network with USB? |
| 01:30.21 | chuck | antgel: yes, i run XP on that setting |
| 01:30.25 | lindenle | Hi all is there a good place to ask an openssl question |
| 01:30.28 | antgel | !tell kevinv about anyone |
| 01:30.29 | beardy | ayeyen: man resolv.conf, I don't know if there is something else when you use ppoe DSL though.. |
| 01:30.43 | GnomeDesktop1337 | antgel: I need to do it becuase apt is useless right now im willing to do it |
| 01:30.47 | antgel | chuck: hmm. you know what you're doing? |
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| 01:30.59 | _ray | GnomeDesktop1337: why is apt useless? |
| 01:31.01 | kevinv | lol, chuckle. |
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| 01:31.10 | antgel | GnomeDesktop1337: don't be a mug. fix the problem rather than compounding your misery |
| 01:31.16 | _ray | GnomeDesktop1337: did you edit your sources? |
| 01:31.25 | kevinv | Let me re-phrase that then? |
| 01:31.31 | chuck | antgel: yea, pretty much, just not used to linux at least |
| 01:31.59 | antgel | chuck: i mean linux. do you have kdm installed? (graphical login)? are you on that box now? |
| 01:32.13 | mwilson | antgel: Looks like you're having loads of fun this evening. |
| 01:32.18 | kevinv | Does somone here know how to use 'usbnet', as in connecting a USB network via DHCP Server. |
| 01:32.18 | chuck | antgel yes, on it now |
| 01:32.23 | GnomeDesktop1337 | ayeyen: try pining me at 65.35.109.14 |
| 01:32.26 | kevinv | My cable modem support USB. |
| 01:32.30 | antgel | !tell lindenle about ask |
| 01:32.47 | antgel | kevinv: you need to say what your problem is |
| 01:33.04 | _ray | ayeyen: i pinged ya : ) |
| 01:33.07 | kevinv | Shall I re-phrase it, yet again? lol |
| 01:33.14 | DoppelGanger | uhuh |
| 01:33.17 | GnomeDesktop1337 | antgel: I actually wanted to fix it one way or another but I don't know whts going on if you would helpme...\ |
| 01:33.42 | lindenle | I am setting up my own CA and have certs for my imap sendmail and apache already generated and working across linux and windows platforms but i am interested to know what happens when my mail server is accesed via its CNAME. Will the cert appear invalid |
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| 01:33.52 | kevinv | What is the device in 'ifconfig' called if the interface is connected via USB? |
| 01:33.52 | _ray | kevinv: look at what you typed........it is very confusing |
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| 01:34.04 | chuck | antgel: nevermind, i think i have it figured out, thanks for your help though |
| 01:34.10 | antgel | chuck: there's a lot of options but i'm going to sleep. |
| 01:34.15 | antgel | chuck: nice :) |
| 01:34.24 | kevinv | eh0 = 1st NIC card. |
| 01:34.26 | SynrG | kevinv: you've started with a solution already ... "use usbnet somehow". back up a bit and state the end-user problem. |
| 01:34.43 | kevinv | sit0 = What the hell is sit0? Now I'm confused. |
| 01:34.44 | antgel | mwilson: it's been very quiet mostly. lots of DDs and some interesting chats. |
| 01:34.55 | GnomeDesktop1337 | skrew it |
| 01:35.00 | antgel | GnomeDesktop1337: fix your sources.list. apt-get update. |
| 01:35.04 | ayeyen | beardy:ok, thanks. second question. I cant iptable to route the connection to another computer. iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface ppp0 -j MASQUERADE is the first command im using. the second is: iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface eth0 -j ACCEPT ... it doesnt route |
| 01:35.08 | _ray | GnomeDesktop1337: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:35.13 | SynrG | kevinv: if you prematurely leap to conclusions like "oh, i need to use foo and bar to fix my problem" and then ask about foo and bar instead of about your problem, you are not likely to get far |
| 01:35.26 | GnomeDesktop1337 | _ray: fix apt |
| 01:35.37 | _ray | GnomeDesktop1337: how did it break? |
| 01:35.38 | debian-san | Hi, I've just installed sarge on a new machine and I have a strange problem. When I reboot the system, base-config always starts running and tell me Welcome to Debian. If I kill the base-config process, it comes back alive the next second. |
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| 01:35.42 | mwilson | GnomeDesktop1337: Except that apt isn't broken, of course. |
| 01:35.43 | antgel | _ray: he fucked it |
| 01:35.56 | mwilson | GnomeDesktop1337: Instead, it's trying to keep you from breaking things. |
| 01:36.08 | GnomeDesktop1337 | thank you antgel |
| 01:36.10 | debian-san | I guess there is a file to remove in order to keep base-config to start. |
| 01:36.23 | antgel | GnomeDesktop1337: did you do the update yet? |
| 01:36.35 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Well seeming it won't work it's broken |
| 01:36.38 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Yeah |
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| 01:36.44 | _ray | GnomeDesktop1337: apt doesnt work at all? |
| 01:36.49 | GnomeDesktop1337 | would cleaninng up my sources help? |
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| 01:36.51 | debian-san | Anyone knows which file could it be? |
| 01:37.14 | kevinv | debian-san: It's in /etc/init.d/rcS which refers to the greeting. |
| 01:37.19 | antgel | GnomeDesktop1337: i just told you where to start. as you have ignored me and are 1337, i can only assume that you are trolling. |
| 01:37.23 | GnomeDesktop1337 | no everytime i try to install something i get need to temporarly remove e2fs progs then some loop error |
| 01:37.32 | _ray | apt isnt rocket science |
| 01:37.43 | debian-san | kevinv, Thanks, I will check that. |
| 01:37.51 | mwilson | Hm, -6 of xorg |
| 01:37.54 | kevinv | debian-san: near the end it says it looks for a script called '/sbin/setup.sh' |
| 01:37.57 | Manoj_ | _ray, but it can get into weird states |
| 01:38.00 | GnomeDesktop1337 | antgel: You din't tell me all you saidd was oh well it's broken fix it |
| 01:38.06 | kevinv | debian-san: No problem. |
| 01:38.12 | Manoj_ | GnomeDesktop1337, what are you running, testing? stable? |
| 01:38.13 | _ray | GnomeDesktop1337: did you try ....... apt-get -f install |
| 01:38.16 | antgel | GnomeDesktop1337: i fucking did. i said fix your sources.list and apt-get update |
| 01:38.18 | walaoa | there's apt, aptitude, synaptic. what's the diff between them? |
| 01:38.27 | mwilson | _ray: Why would that do anything? |
| 01:38.31 | debian-san | kevinv, So if I put this line into comments, my problem should be fixed? |
| 01:38.40 | antgel | walaoa: apt-cache show apt aptitude synaptic |
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| 01:38.43 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Sorry must have missed it |
| 01:38.48 | Manoj_ | walaoa, aptitude and synaptic are the preferred user front ends, apt-get is a lower level tool |
| 01:38.52 | _ray | mwilson: its hard telling not knowing wtf the problem is |
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| 01:39.08 | Ry123 | is there a way to share eth0 which is dhcpc to my dsl modem with eth1 which is 192.168.0.1 with another computed which is 192.168.0.2 |
| 01:39.10 | Manoj_ | walaoa, use aptitude or synaptic, unless you know what you are doing |
| 01:39.20 | mwilson | _ray: How is it hard to know that's not an appropriate thing to do? |
| 01:39.21 | kevinv | debian-san: as well as '/sbin/unconfigured.sh', yup if you comment them out, it should fix the problem. |
| 01:39.26 | gravity | Even if you know what you're doing, aptitude is a very good choice |
| 01:39.49 | Manoj_ | I personally use aptitude for everything |
| 01:39.54 | gravity | Me too |
| 01:39.56 | _ray | mwilson: huh...... |
| 01:40.02 | marko01 | Hey guys sorry to bug just wondering if anyone here has installed ispconfig with debian? |
| 01:40.07 | antgel | _ray: he claims apt is warning him about Force-LoopBreak and he wants to switch it on |
| 01:40.09 | spoopin | Ry123: look at iptables |
| 01:40.11 | mwilson | GnomeDesktop1337: No one is going to spoon feed you through doing what you think you want done. |
| 01:40.13 | walaoa | so the diff is only in the ease-of-use? |
| 01:40.14 | antgel | !tell marko01 about anyone |
| 01:40.24 | mwilson | GnomeDesktop1337: However, apt-get does have a man page for this purpose. |
| 01:40.24 | gravity | walaoa: It handles upgrades much more cleanly |
| 01:40.29 | antgel | walaoa: synaptic is a stupid gui |
| 01:40.30 | _ray | mwilson: ahhh you see..........now i know the error........fuckin cock |
| 01:40.33 | Manoj_ | GnomeDesktop1337, well, some of us might spoon feed you, if we can |
| 01:40.38 | gravity | walaoa: It generally makes your life easier |
| 01:40.46 | mwilson | Did he use aptitude and clean in the same sentence? |
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| 01:41.08 | Manoj_ | mwilson, aptitude clean? |
| 01:41.12 | marko01 | Guess not then...sigh |
| 01:41.17 | _ray | GnomeDesktop1337: what did you do before this problem started or has it always been there |
| 01:41.18 | antgel | !start a package manager war |
| 01:41.22 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Ok asswholes I just wanted to know wat the phuk was going on and if anyone knew someone told me im apt-get updating now |
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| 01:41.41 | antgel | i can' believe i'm replying to this troll |
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| 01:41.45 | kevinv | debian-san: You should find out how the problem started in the first place, the '-x' checks if the file was executable. |
| 01:41.46 | Manoj_ | GnomeDesktop1337, now now. language |
| 01:41.48 | Bourne | Where is the log for apt-get |
| 01:41.58 | walaoa | ok, aptitude is an enhanced version of apt, that handles upgrades better, synaptic is apt with gui but rather stupid. right? |
| 01:42.00 | mwilson | Now apparently we're all assholes because we didn't cookie-cutter him through without understanding. |
| 01:42.03 | Manoj_ | GnomeDesktop1337, let us know what happens after you do the update |
| 01:42.04 | antgel | Bourne: no such thing |
| 01:42.10 | Bourne | Great |
| 01:42.12 | antgel | Bourne: aptitude has a log |
| 01:42.18 | GnomeDesktop1337 | I'm 1337 cusing everyone tlaking to me is fo real cussing |
| 01:42.29 | antgel | Manoj_: ;) |
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| 01:42.43 | Manoj_ | walaoa, oh, I think synaptic is ok -- the difference between aptitude and synaptic may be that synaptic is a X based gui thingy |
| 01:42.45 | debian-san | kevinv, I will take a look. I'm rebooting now. |
| 01:42.47 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Im apt-geting gftp now |
| 01:42.50 | Bourne | Well i removed Xmail to put sendmail on kinda maliciously and i think it removed mysqld |
| 01:43.02 | antgel | Bourne: shoulda used aptitude |
| 01:43.06 | Bourne | SO where is the log so i can see what it di |
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| 01:43.10 | Bourne | did |
| 01:43.11 | Manoj_ | GnomeDesktop1337, also, do you have aptitude installed? |
| 01:43.11 | mwilson | What is "Xmail"? |
| 01:43.12 | GnomeDesktop1337 | It worked thanks, bad sources i guess |
| 01:43.26 | walaoa | is aptitude command-based? |
| 01:43.28 | Bourne | a pos mail server |
| 01:43.31 | GnomeDesktop1337 | yes of course along with synaptic |
| 01:43.36 | Manoj_ | GnomeDesktop1337, I would strongly suggest using aptitude where you would have used apt-get; it keeps one out of trouble |
| 01:43.37 | _ray | aptitude is cool |
| 01:43.42 | antgel | walaoa: yeah runs like apt-get or interactive |
| 01:43.45 | Bourne | Ok well can someone tell me how i can find out what apt-get did |
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| 01:44.03 | Manoj_ | walaoa, aptitude supports all of apt-get command line options, but also presents a curses based gui |
| 01:44.04 | antgel | Manoj_: the problem is that he fucked his sources.list with 3rd party repos. this is part for the course |
| 01:44.14 | antgel | Bourne: you can't |
| 01:44.19 | gravity | walaoa: They're more like frontends to apt. apt-get is a frontend as well. |
| 01:44.22 | Bourne | wtf |
| 01:44.24 | Manoj_ | antgel, ah. So recovering may be tricky |
| 01:44.25 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to force dhclient (or ifup) to use a specific DHCP server instead of broadcasting to find one? |
| 01:44.26 | antgel | s/part/par |
| 01:44.27 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Manoj_: uh actually all i did was add sourcces i dont think aptitude would have gotten around the bad sources becuasee synaptic dint |
| 01:44.29 | Bourne | I hate debian so much |
| 01:44.29 | walaoa | ok, thks, will give aptitude a try the next time i install packages. |
| 01:44.40 | SerajewelKS | Bourne, then don't use it |
| 01:44.42 | mwilson | Bourne: <shrug> Then why are you using it? |
| 01:44.49 | Bourne | Its not my choice |
| 01:44.51 | _ray | are there sources for the new xfce? |
| 01:45.00 | SerajewelKS | Bourne, then complain to your boss, not us |
| 01:45.00 | Manoj_ | GnomeDesktop1337, no, it would not. adding sources that are not from debian is always somewhat risky; you never know what's in there |
| 01:45.01 | antgel | Bourne: perhaps you shouldn't blame debian for the fact that you told it to do the wrong things? |
| 01:45.03 | debian-san | kevinv, It's my first experiment at assembling a computer. Everything worked fine except when I installed debian. |
| 01:45.03 | mwilson | Bourne: Of course it is. |
| 01:45.07 | walaoa | Bourne: reason(s), pls. |
| 01:45.13 | _ray | Bourne: why use it then |
| 01:45.21 | Bourne | PERHAPS THEY SHOULD HAVE A FUCKING LOG FOR THE PACKAGE MANAGMENT |
| 01:45.26 | antgel | Bourne: if you don't have a choice, grin and bear it |
| 01:45.28 | _ray | debian is the best distro imho |
| 01:45.33 | mwilson | Bourne: Perhaps they do. |
| 01:45.34 | antgel | Bourne: aptitude does. you're the log |
| 01:45.34 | gravity | Uh... we don't? |
| 01:45.35 | Manoj_ | GnomeDesktop1337, but aptitude (and synaptyic) do get some dependency checking,a nd can handle some cases better than thge lwoer level apt-get can |
| 01:45.43 | Bourne | Where is it then everyone tells me there is no log |
| 01:45.48 | mwilson | Bourne: aptitude is crap, but it at least logs. |
| 01:45.55 | antgel | Bourne: please stop it |
| 01:46.04 | Manoj_ | Bourne, there is a dpkg log, and I think there is an aptitude log as well. |
| 01:46.08 | walaoa | i think log for package mgt is a good idea, can't it be incorporated? |
| 01:46.09 | _ray | Bourne: why do you need a log? |
| 01:46.10 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Ok guys see you |
| 01:46.16 | Ronin | antgel: sure now mwilson arrives, where was he an hour ago? :) |
| 01:46.18 | Bourne | to see what i did |
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| 01:46.32 | _ray | Bourne: you should know what you did? |
| 01:46.32 | antgel | Ronin: it's like they're all running on his machine |
| 01:46.39 | SerajewelKS | Bourne, would windows give you a log? |
| 01:46.41 | mwilson | Bourne: Why wouldn't you know what you did? |
| 01:46.43 | walaoa | log helps to keep track of past activities. |
| 01:46.46 | antgel | walaoa: aptitude has a log |
| 01:46.57 | antgel | walaoa: as i already said fifty times |
| 01:46.58 | helen | Bourne: try /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 01:47.01 | Bourne | No it wouldnt but every other distro would regardless if they wouldnt or not there should be a log |
| 01:47.11 | Bourne | thanks |
| 01:47.13 | walaoa | then why don't you let Bourne know about it? |
| 01:47.18 | _ray | Bourne: what exactly do you need to know |
| 01:47.36 | SerajewelKS | Bourne, saying "debian is crap" doesn't help things, btw. it only makes the rest of us mad and uncooperative |
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| 01:47.41 | Bourne | I need to know what apt-get did |
| 01:47.48 | Manoj_ | Bourne, /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/aptitude, for example |
| 01:47.55 | _ray | Bourne: you are making no sense |
| 01:47.57 | Bourne | no such files |
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| 01:48.03 | SerajewelKS | Bourne, apt-get uses dpkg |
| 01:48.04 | Bourne | i locate *dpkg*log |
| 01:48.06 | SerajewelKS | Bourne, dpkg.log |
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| 01:48.09 | Bourne | i locate *apt*log |
| 01:48.10 | antgel | Bourne: you should know. you fucking told it. if you are bothered about mysql being uninstalled, install it. |
| 01:48.12 | Bourne | nothing |
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| 01:48.15 | lisa_ | hi |
| 01:48.15 | Manoj_ | Bourne, are you running stable? |
| 01:48.17 | _ray | Bourne: if you use the option -q when using apt it will log an output |
| 01:48.24 | Bourne | no sarge |
| 01:48.26 | Manoj_ | lisa_, did it work? |
| 01:48.34 | debian-san | kevinv, I still see the welcoming screen. I will rename the setup.sh file and try again. The file /sbin/unconfigured.sh is not on my system. I wonder if it's normal. |
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| 01:48.46 | mwilson | antgel: You know, even apt-get says "hey, I'm going to do this, is this OK?" before it does something. |
| 01:48.46 | orchid | _ray: http://os-cillation.de/index.php?id=23&L=5 there slightly ahead of the debian xfce4 packages but you need to do pinning and whatnot so I just stick with what sid has |
| 01:48.50 | SerajewelKS | Bourne, /var/log/dpkg.log LOOK THERE for pete's sake |
| 01:48.51 | _ray | Bourne: all you have to do is READ the friggin apt man page |
| 01:48.55 | Manoj_ | Bourne, Sarge is stable :) |
| 01:48.59 | antgel | mwilson: he's a troll |
| 01:49.01 | lisa_ | Manoj_: it worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)) you are a genius! im now usin sarge on iternet:) ty |
| 01:49.02 | Bourne | sorry guys im just pissed cause i fucked up my brothers server and i dont even have time to mess with this rightr now sorry |
| 01:49.04 | _ray | orchid: wow thanks man |
| 01:49.10 | orchid | np dude |
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| 01:49.21 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, got it working? what was wrong? |
| 01:49.30 | Manoj_ | Bourne, well, try us again when you are back |
| 01:49.31 | helen | Bourne: I have /var/log/dpkg.log on my system, but "locate *dpkg*log" doesn't find it for me. |
| 01:49.38 | Manoj_ | Bourne, we'll try and help |
| 01:49.39 | antgel | Bourne: don't worry. i blame apt |
| 01:49.45 | debian-san | kevinv, Strange, the file /sbin/setup.sh doesn't exist. |
| 01:49.47 | helen | Bourne: try looking exactly at /var/log/dpkg.log, and you will have to be root to read it. |
| 01:49.47 | antgel | helen: in sarge, dpkg doesn't log |
| 01:49.48 | Manoj_ | _ray: I am not sure you are helping. |
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| 01:50.05 | SerajewelKS | antgel, wtf are you talking about |
| 01:50.05 | lisa_ | 7 hours and over 35 lost calls to my ISP FINALLY paid off! Im now using Sarge on Internet :) |
| 01:50.06 | walaoa | don't be too hard on Bourne, he brought up a good point about log. at least now i know about /var/log/aptitude. bye |
| 01:50.08 | Bourne | yea i dotn have a /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 01:50.10 | antgel | Manoj_: he didn't listen to anything _anyone_ said |
| 01:50.12 | helen | antgel: ohhh. Didn't know that - thanks. |
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| 01:50.19 | Manoj_ | _ray, if you are frustated, walk away from the computer, and do something relaxing; stop yelling at the users |
| 01:50.22 | _ray | Manoj_: i told him to use the -q option to log his apt use.........and that isnt helping? |
| 01:50.29 | gravity | walaoa: He doesn't seem to have even looked in /var/log, which is the canonical location for such things though |
| 01:50.35 | _ray | Manoj_: i wasnt yelling |
| 01:50.35 | Manoj_ | antgel, he did not listen to me either. You see me yelling? |
| 01:50.35 | Bourne | yea thanx ray i do that from now on |
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| 01:51.00 | _ray | Manoj_: so you walk away manjizz |
| 01:51.10 | lisa_ | Manoj_: I wasted 7 hours and over 35 calls! FOR ALL I had to do was open /etc/ppp/options and change "auth" to "noauth"! thats ALL I had to do :P |
| 01:51.29 | mwilson | gravity: Hey, I thought you posted that -6 had this show-stopper of a problem, yet here it is? |
| 01:51.30 | lisa_ | Manoj_: you see me? |
| 01:51.30 | Manoj_ | ray: telling him to use -q was god. telling him to read "friggin" man pages was, err, not so good. |
| 01:51.32 | antgel | talking of which, night all. Manoj_, vorlon, gravity et al, good to chat, gravity let me know if you want to discuss www :) |
| 01:51.38 | Behi | hi all |
| 01:51.41 | gravity | mwilson: My fault. Fixed on my end. |
| 01:51.47 | Manoj_ | lisa_, one lives and learns:) |
| 01:51.49 | _ray | Manoj_: thats where i read it |
| 01:51.56 | gravity | mwilson: I posted that I figured it out too |
| 01:51.59 | Manoj_ | lisa_, you'll never forget that one now |
| 01:52.09 | Behi | what's the equivalent of Windows' Alt+Shift in Debian |
| 01:52.10 | gravity | antgel: Sorry man, I have my hands full with X |
| 01:52.10 | Behi | ? |
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| 01:52.28 | Ry123 | can someone give me a link to a howto for settings up internet sharing |
| 01:52.28 | orchid | Behi: what does it do in windows? |
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| 01:52.33 | mwilson | gravity: I haven't read d-x today. |
| 01:52.34 | lisa_ | Manoj_: well if anyone ever asks you again about this, PLEASE just tell them to edit auth to noauth in their /etc/ppp/options! This will save them 7 hours and lots of calls fork for nothing |
| 01:52.38 | Behi | orchid: switches the languages |
| 01:52.43 | gravity | mwilson: I posted about it yesterday I think. |
| 01:52.47 | Manoj_ | lisa_, heh, sure |
| 01:52.48 | gravity | Anyway, it's there. |
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| 01:52.52 | asuffield | lisa_: at least three people have already told you that in the past two hours |
| 01:52.52 | _ray | orchid: so you dont recomend that page...........im not running sid |
| 01:52.54 | Behi | orchid: where's the language bar in Debian? |
| 01:52.54 | lisa_ | Manoj_: :) |
| 01:53.01 | lindenle | Ry123: google for ip masquerading how to |
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| 01:53.08 | Manoj_ | asuffield, quite. and it worked too |
| 01:53.30 | lisa_ | how do I remove a user I added for testing purposes? is it "deluser username" ? |
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| 01:53.45 | lucifer4u | hello all |
| 01:53.49 | Manoj_ | lisa_, yes, though man deluser would be good too |
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| 01:53.57 | orchid | Behi: I'm not sure I use only one locale, it might be in your desktop enviroment, what desktop do you use? |
| 01:53.58 | SerajewelKS | lisa_, userdel. IRRC |
| 01:54.00 | SerajewelKS | IIRXC |
| 01:54.01 | lisa_ | Manoj_: ok |
| 01:54.03 | SerajewelKS | IIRC* bleh |
| 01:54.04 | Bac9 | for ifupdown if you configure several mappings can they exist simultaneously? say an eth0-ipv4 mapping and an eth0-ipv6 mapping, if you take down ipv6 will ipv4 also go down? |
| 01:54.18 | lucifer4u | what is the format of the /etc/apt/sources.list ?? |
| 01:54.28 | Manoj_ | deluser and userdel -- I keep getting confused. one is more user friendly than the other. same for adduer and useradd. |
| 01:54.34 | orchid | _ray: ive found it to have a few extra goodies, but not worth it to worry about outside sources |
| 01:54.35 | lisa_ | Manoj_: now that Im running with Sarge! What would you recommend my first steps are? apt-get update? and how do I update it to latest security patches etc? |
| 01:54.35 | lucifer4u | what should be written there and in which form ? |
| 01:54.37 | Behi | orchid: frankly I'm using Ubuntu and Gnome... but as Ubuntu is based on Debian I thought that I might find some help here... |
| 01:54.38 | SerajewelKS | lucifer4u, man sources.list |
| 01:54.52 | lucifer4u | SerajewelKS: i have no man |
| 01:54.58 | lucifer4u | i used netinstall |
| 01:55.00 | lucifer4u | of debian |
| 01:55.02 | orchid | Behi: well, there is a #ubuntu they might know :) |
| 01:55.07 | Manoj_ | lisa_, for sarge, make sure you have the security site in /etcv/apt/sources.list |
| 01:55.08 | SerajewelKS | lucifer4u, netinstall installs man... wtf are you talking about |
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| 01:55.14 | mwilson | gravity: Not listed in the changelog... is xterm split out, or no? |
| 01:55.27 | orchid | Behi: but look in your gnome control center or whatever they call it |
| 01:55.30 | SerajewelKS | how many fucking trolls do we have to deal with |
| 01:55.33 | lucifer4u | SerajewelKS: no mans on the netinstall for hurd ! |
| 01:55.38 | Behi | orchid: thanks for that... but it looks like that they don't know that |
| 01:55.40 | gravity | mwilson: Huh? No, not yet. The blocker was just me. |
| 01:55.46 | Manoj_ | lisa_, "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main" |
| 01:55.51 | Behi | orchid: however, thanks for everything :-) |
| 01:55.51 | Ronin | SerajewelKS: trolls here? get out |
| 01:56.09 | lisa_ | Manoj_: whats the security site for Sarge that I need to add to sources.list? |
| 01:56.12 | Manoj_ | lisa_, and then aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; should do the trick |
| 01:56.18 | lisa_ | Manoj_: ok thanks |
| 01:56.29 | Bourne | Nothing frustrates me more then messing up a live server and not being able to figure out what the hell is wrong |
| 01:56.31 | SerajewelKS | !find usr/bin/man |
| 01:56.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/bin/man' (7 of 8): (/usr/bin/manpath) in doc/man-db ;; (/usr/bin/man2html) in doc/man2html ;; (/usr/bin/manderlbot) in net/manderlbot ;; (/usr/bin/manhole) in python/python-twisted ;; (/usr/bin/manhole2.4) in python/python2.4-twisted ;; (/usr/bin/manhole2.3) in python/python2.3-twisted ;; (/usr/bin/{manedit|manview}) in editors/manedit. |
| 01:56.42 | Manoj_ | Bourne, I can imagine |
| 01:56.46 | Bourne | why i do it i dont know |
| 01:56.47 | SerajewelKS | wtf |
| 01:56.53 | litage | what is pwlib? debian tells me it's the portable windows library, but then openh323 also refers to it. any ideas? |
| 01:56.54 | SerajewelKS | man has no package!? |
| 01:56.55 | C2H5OH | is it possible to make mrxvt behave as nice as xterm ? (Home and End keys and other charset issues) |
| 01:57.34 | Bourne | How can i install sendmail and all the sudden mysql is broke........only if i had an apt log |
| 01:57.48 | SerajewelKS | Bourne, apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
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| 01:58.11 | SerajewelKS | Bourne, mysql-server has a known bug that can cause problems |
| 01:58.17 | SerajewelKS | at least on testing |
| 01:58.23 | SerajewelKS | !info mysql-server-4.1 sarge |
| 01:58.27 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.1.11a-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 14214 kB, Installed size: 30420 kB |
| 01:58.33 | Bourne | SerajewelKS: omg thanks ;p; |
| 01:58.35 | SerajewelKS | maybe sarge too |
| 01:58.35 | Bourne | SerajewelKS: omg thanks lol |
| 01:58.40 | colby | man is a symlink to /usr/lib/man-db/man -- and is in the man-db package |
| 01:58.45 | Bourne | yea it is sarge |
| 01:58.48 | Bourne | and yes that fixed it |
| 01:58.49 | lisa_ | Manoj_: I added "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main" |
| 01:58.58 | lisa_ | Manoj_: is that all I neede to do? |
| 01:59.05 | SerajewelKS | Bourne, it took me a few days to find that package |
| 01:59.10 | SerajewelKS | Bourne, so i feel your pain |
| 01:59.30 | Bourne | SerajewelKS Owns! remember that ladies and gentlemen next time you try to improse your ego over him/her, he/she is a god |
| 01:59.32 | Manoj_ | lisa_, well, yes, as long as the other sarge related lines are still there |
| 01:59.36 | Bourne | impose |
| 01:59.40 | lisa_ | Manoj_: theres also one that says: "#deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib" should I leave that too? |
| 01:59.47 | Manoj_ | lisa_, "aptitude update; aptitude upgrade" |
| 01:59.51 | SerajewelKS | Bourne, i am but a lowly user |
| 01:59.57 | kevinv | debian-san: Sorry, busy for awhile there, but I have no files with the mask '/sbin/*.sh', so it's completely normal. |
| 02:00.04 | SerajewelKS | Bourne, i just happen to have experienced your problem myself |
| 02:00.08 | Bourne | Yea im sitting here trying to find the right package i was getting upset |
| 02:00.09 | Manoj_ | lisa_, leave that line be, if you are running sarge |
| 02:00.11 | lisa_ | Manoj_: is "aptitude update the same as apt-get update ? |
| 02:00.17 | Bourne | Yea lucky me :D |
| 02:00.31 | Manoj_ | lisa_, that is for security for testing (the future release Etch) |
| 02:00.32 | Zargonog | how do i boot into expert installation mode on a sparc machine? |
| 02:00.35 | lisa_ | Manoj_: but its a # comment in front of it! Do I need to remove it? |
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| 02:00.55 | Manoj_ | lisa_, yes, but you should be using aptitude isntead of the low level apt-get :) |
| 02:00.56 | Behi | orchid: hey! I just figured it out... however I still can't see the language indicator... |
| 02:01.06 | lisa_ | Manoj_: ok thanks |
| 02:01.23 | SynrG | lisa_: hm? the testing line that is commented should remain commented |
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| 02:02.02 | mwilson | Manoj_: Hey, you were going to get dinner. Can I eat it instead? |
| 02:02.16 | spoopin | Zargonog: if you can get yours to boot from the cd you'll be doing better than I did |
| 02:02.18 | orchid | Behi: it might be in the keyboard layout dialog? |
| 02:02.25 | Zargonog | haha |
| 02:02.28 | Zargonog | well |
| 02:02.35 | debian-san | kevinv, ok. |
| 02:02.37 | Zargonog | i can get it to boot but then it says it cannot mount the cdrom |
| 02:02.37 | lisa_ | Manoj_: so if I want to install new programs, eg Firefox, xchat! I type "aptitude install firefox" ? |
| 02:02.52 | orchid | lisa_: yup |
| 02:02.57 | Manoj_ | lisa: "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" should be there too (it may also be called "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free" |
| 02:02.58 | lisa_ | orchid: cool! |
| 02:03.04 | kevinv | debian-san: glad that helped. |
| 02:03.09 | Manoj_ | lisa_, that would work, yes |
| 02:03.20 | spoopin | Zargonog: It'll boot from the openprom then hang? |
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| 02:03.35 | Spider^ | hi niggers |
| 02:03.38 | mwilson | Except it wouldn't, as Debian doesn't have a package named 'firefox'. |
| 02:03.47 | lisa_ | Manoj_: in my sources.list, I only have 3 that appear! deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0 Sarge - i386 Binary - Linux Format CD 70b]/ unstable contrib main |
| 02:03.49 | Zargonog | no it boots into the installer but then after it scans my hardware it says i cant mount the cdrom and so i cant do anything else |
| 02:03.50 | lisa_ | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0 Sarge - i386 Binary - Linux Format CD 70a]/ unstable contrib main |
| 02:03.55 | debian-san | kevinv, The problem is still there but at least, I have a place to look at. |
| 02:04.09 | lisa_ | Manoj_: and deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main |
| 02:04.13 | lisa_ | Manoj_: are those 3 all I need? |
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| 02:04.39 | Manoj_ | mwilson, if you like tilapia suteed in cilantro flavoured olive oil, with dashes of coriander and tumeric, and creole seasoning, with ice, toor dal, and cauliflower with mustard seeds and scallions, and are near here, head right on over |
| 02:05.05 | spoopin | Zargonog: hmmmm. I ended up booting from another machine on the network and installing from the internet. It's not too hard and may work for you.. |
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| 02:05.15 | Manoj_ | lisa_, add "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main " to the list |
| 02:05.19 | litage | what is /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride for? |
| 02:05.29 | Zargonog | the only other machine i have is a windows machine |
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| 02:05.43 | Manoj_ | lisa_, but that would be the same as your CDROM lines, so ... |
| 02:05.54 | kevinv | debian-san: This is not a curious problem, the question still remains, is how is it even getting executed. |
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| 02:06.14 | Manoj_ | but now I really must go. the wife is calling |
| 02:06.31 | spoopin | Zargonog: You may be able to do it with a live cd on the Windows box. That's the only thing I can think to do... |
| 02:06.32 | lisa_ | Manoj_: ok! I now have 2 lines in sources.list! deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main & deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main. Is that all I needed? |
| 02:06.35 | kevinv | debian-san: Did you attempt to remove the base-config package? |
| 02:07.05 | kevinv | debian-san: It states in the package comments that it can be removed without harm to the system. |
| 02:07.32 | debian-san | kevinv, This, I can explain... After the base-install of debian, the system reboots. However, at the Welcome screen, it froze. So I had to use CDLinux, mount all the partitions and chroot to run base-config manually and install the rest of the system. |
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| 02:08.01 | Zargonog | well i heard if you do the installation in expert mode you can change a module or something and it will work so im trying to figure out how to get into expert mode |
| 02:08.08 | debian-san | kevinv, Then, I was able to install ssh and reboot. |
| 02:08.14 | kevinv | debian-san: Ah, now it's all making more sense. |
| 02:08.26 | debian-san | kevinv, The machine still hangs when it shows the Welcome screen. |
| 02:08.28 | trodrigues | lisa_: that is ok |
| 02:08.36 | kevinv | debian-san: At least we now know it's not complete Debian at fault. |
| 02:08.40 | debian-san | kevinv, But I can access it remotely with ssh. |
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| 02:09.12 | spoopin | Zargonog: There are options you can pass to the installer at the boot: prompt, although I don't remember what they are... |
| 02:09.12 | kevinv | debian-san: Did you concider checking if there was a bug report on this? |
| 02:09.15 | debian-san | kevinv, Yeah, it's a strange problem. I don't know why it keeps freezing at the welcoming screen. Maybe a hardware issue. |
| 02:09.27 | kenboo | X? |
| 02:10.04 | debian-san | kevinv, No, I didn't check the bug database. Maybe someone encountered the same situation though. |
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| 02:10.35 | C2H5OH | is it possible to make mrxvt behave as nice as xterm ? (Home and End keys and other charset issues) |
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| 02:11.03 | kevinv | I remember that OpenBSD had a hardware testing method that worked. It states after a successful install of the system that the admin send the output of dmesg. Do you guys think that Debian should do such a thing? |
| 02:11.09 | simy | Ok, ive got a problem, actually 2 of them, lol im trying to get this presario 900 to get online but dhcp request fails, now this comptuer (dell desktop)uses debian as well, and it connects relativly quickly (excusing the retarded ISP verizon DSL), so my question is what should i look at/for? the drivers it uses is 8139cp, altho 8139too loads as well, uhm thats about all i can think of, but this laptop is just driving me nuts, so any and all help is appriceated, |
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| 02:11.14 | kevinv | Of cource at the admins agreement? |
| 02:11.27 | simy | is theres only one internet cable/dsl box thingy, so this is online, or the other one |
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| 02:11.44 | undertow | hi, can anyone help me understand why my fkeys wouldnt work? ive been toying with xmodmap / xev for a while and cant seem to understand what im supposed to do. |
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| 02:12.44 | simy | i guess what im asking is what links should i follow? |
| 02:12.54 | kevinv | debian-san: If this is indeed a hardware issue, I believe there is either an e-mail, or a mailing list that you could use to send in your output of 'dmesg' to troubleshoot which hardware is conflicting with the welcome screen. |
| 02:14.08 | kevinv | debian-san: does the entire system freeze, or can you use the Alt-<fkey> to access another virtual console? |
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| 02:15.14 | Zargonog | spoopin , what problem are you having with booting to the cd? |
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| 02:15.22 | simy | ok where can i get more detailed information on ifconfig, and modprobing network drivers |
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| 02:15.40 | simy | besides info |
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| 02:16.25 | debian-san | kevinv, I've uninstalled base-config, rebooted and reinstalled it. Now I don't see the welcome screen anymore. But I see some errors from a script that complains that files are not found. |
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| 02:16.56 | debian-san | kevinv, No, it seems it's just the keyboard that freeze, actually. The computer is quite usable. |
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| 02:17.11 | debian-san | kevinv, From ssh, of course. |
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| 02:17.58 | simy | ok ill try some more googling i guess |
| 02:18.03 | simy | q |
| 02:18.04 | debian-san | kevinv, So maybe, maybe it's my usb keyboard that causes the problem originally. |
| 02:18.44 | debian-san | kevinv, It's a japanese keyboard so that would not be a surprise... It's the only keyboard I have. All my other computers are laptops. |
| 02:19.56 | mfrisch | if you dd a .iso to a flash disk will it work? |
| 02:20.03 | Behi | orchid: sorry for being late... I couldn't find anything in the KL dialog box... In the previous version there was something however... |
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| 02:21.08 | orchid | Behi: hmm, not sure what to tell you, I dont use gnome |
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| 02:24.13 | debian-san | kevinv, It's not the keyboard because it hangs even when the keyboard is disconnected. |
| 02:24.56 | debian-san | kevinv, I installed back base-config to remove the error messages I was getting at boot. Now the welcome screen is back. |
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| 02:26.28 | CountZ | my root fs has errors, i'm fsck'ing it right now |
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| 02:27.35 | CountZ | thing is once I fix it and reboot, the box won't load |
| 02:27.46 | Bac9 | if I do `ifdown <interface>` will it remove all the assigned IP addresses or will they still be there after the interface comes up? |
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| 02:28.24 | dondelelcaro | Bac9: if it's being done by dhcp, dhclient by default sends a DCHPRELEASE. What that means is dependent upon your dhcp server. |
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| 02:28.33 | vorlon | CountZ: depending on what kind of errors, that could be a strong indication that important files have been lost. |
| 02:28.45 | vorlon | CountZ: but, what is it that happens when you reboot? |
| 02:28.50 | kevinv | debian-san: So it's not the keyboard. When you un-installed base-confg, you got the login prompt correct? The keyboard worked there. |
| 02:29.07 | mfrisch | if you dd a .iso to a flash disk will it work? |
| 02:29.23 | abrotman | mfrisch: there used to be docs about doing that |
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| 02:29.28 | Bac9 | dondelelcaro: no I am refering to ip adresses not present in /etc/network/interfaces for a static ip, if I add some then take interface down will that remove the adresses too? |
| 02:29.29 | CountZ | vorlon: I don't know, it's a remote box |
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| 02:29.41 | kevinv | debian-san: But still the welcome screen will not respond. Was there a bug report on this? |
| 02:29.41 | vorlon | mfrisch: there's information in the install manual about installing from USB/flash devices |
| 02:29.41 | Bac9 | dondelelcaro: or do I have to delete them individually? |
| 02:29.45 | CountZ | I will inspect kern.log the moment i'm done with fsck |
| 02:29.50 | Zargonog | how do i load the install program in expert mode? im using a sparc machine |
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| 02:30.00 | Zargonog | what do i put in the boot prompt? |
| 02:30.02 | dondelelcaro | Bac9: it actually takes the interface down; if the addresses are on that interface, they'll go away too. |
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| 02:30.06 | dondelelcaro | Zargonog: expert |
| 02:30.11 | abrotman | Zargonog: expert or expert26 .. |
| 02:30.12 | BenC | Zargong: linux expert |
| 02:30.16 | abrotman | !tell Zargonog about sparc |
| 02:30.24 | dondelelcaro | Zargonog: if you're using expert, you really should read the help screens on F2-F8 or so |
| 02:30.31 | vorlon | BenC: ah, that works? |
| 02:30.35 | kevinv | debian-san: USB Keyboard, are the modules installed and working properly? |
| 02:30.42 | BenC | sparc may not have have f-key help |
| 02:30.43 | vorlon | dondelelcaro: you don't get F2-F8 on a sparc. :) |
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| 02:30.47 | dondelelcaro | vorlon: ah |
| 02:30.50 | debian-san | kevinv, When base-config is uninstalled, instead of login prompt, I get some error messages like files are missing. And no login prompt. The keyboard is dead but access thtough ssh works fine. |
| 02:30.54 | mfrisch | abrotman vorlon do you just dd it ? its not for install. |
| 02:30.55 | kevinv | debian-san: As well as your keyboard layout. |
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| 02:30.58 | dondelelcaro | vorlon: well, the release notes then. ;-) |
| 02:30.59 | BenC | there may not even be an expert mode |
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| 02:31.10 | abrotman | mfrisch: what would it be for then ? |
| 02:31.11 | dondelelcaro | (or the installation manual...) |
| 02:31.11 | vorlon | mfrisch: well, sure, you can dd an ISO to a flash device. |
| 02:31.19 | debian-san | kevinv, It's not the keyboard... It's disconnected now. |
| 02:31.21 | CountZ | holy shit |
| 02:31.22 | Zargonog | expert doesnt work |
| 02:31.25 | kevinv | debian-san: Which files are missing? |
| 02:31.26 | Zargonog | you just type that in? |
| 02:31.27 | vorlon | mfrisch: and Linux will be able to mount it fine if you tell mount that it's iso9660. |
| 02:31.29 | CountZ | what in the love of god is THIS!!: Sep 2 00:39:01 fry kernel: lost page write due to I/O error on sda1 |
| 02:31.29 | CountZ | Sep 2 00:39:01 fry kernel: ATA: abnormal status 0x80 on port 0xE007 |
| 02:31.32 | Zargonog | or expert26 |
| 02:31.32 | Bac9 | dondelelcaro: ok, so ifdown does "ifcondig del" on all the ip adresses? |
| 02:31.47 | abrotman | Zargonog: did you read the sparc install manual? |
| 02:31.49 | dondelelcaro | Bac9: no, it does the equvalent of ifconfig down <interface>; |
| 02:31.53 | CountZ | oh my god it looks like the hardware is Kaput! |
| 02:32.00 | CountZ | am I just panicking? |
| 02:32.01 | debian-san | kevinv, Things related to termwrap, and other stuff. I didn't take note. |
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| 02:32.10 | Caelum | CountZ: not necessarily |
| 02:32.20 | CountZ | you mean i'm right to panic |
| 02:32.23 | Bac9 | dondelelcaro: but I don't believe "ifconfig down" removes ip adresses, they'll come right back when you do "ifconfig up" |
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| 02:32.25 | Zargonog | yes ive read lots of installation manuals |
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| 02:32.32 | Caelum | CountZ: check google for that error, you might need to change some settings or something |
| 02:32.34 | mfrisch | abrotman I want to use a rescue cd with the flash disk, well my boss wants to, he thinks it can't be done. He is new to linux. |
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| 02:32.38 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 02:32.38 | dpkg | i heard sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 02:32.40 | CountZ | Caelum: ok |
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| 02:32.47 | dondelelcaro | Bac9: uh... it sure does here. |
| 02:32.47 | vorlon | CountZ: that looks like a hardware issue to me. It may just be the cable that's "kaput", but if this hardware was working ok before with Debian, that's the most likely explanation. |
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| 02:32.56 | abrotman | mfrisch: a rescue cd? |
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| 02:33.06 | Bac9 | dondelelcaro: ok, I've not checked in years so I might be wrong |
| 02:33.09 | RiseAgainst | has anyone tried Solaris? |
| 02:33.22 | kevinv | debian-san: It is possible to install, remove, and modify files through ssh. Did you attempt to re-install the base system, and start from scatch again? |
| 02:33.24 | vorlon | Zargonog: there's a debian installer boot option to lower the debconf priority, which is what 'expert' does; let me check the syntax |
| 02:33.43 | Caelum | sometimes some harddrives/controllers need adjustments to work properly...like some HDs don't handle DMA, or only work with DMA, etc. And ATA drivers are new and not as stable |
| 02:33.46 | dondelelcaro | RiseAgainst: try asking in #solaris; that OS is OT here. |
| 02:33.56 | Bac9 | dondelelcaro: how much do you know about iface mapping? i.e. if I have a mapping for ipv4 adresses and another for ipv6 adresses can I take one down without effecting the other? |
| 02:33.59 | RiseAgainst | OT? |
| 02:34.04 | abrotman | offtopic |
| 02:34.07 | RiseAgainst | oh |
| 02:34.10 | abrotman | this is #debian .. not #solaris |
| 02:34.17 | RiseAgainst | sorry about that |
| 02:34.24 | mfrisch | abrotman bull*&^%& windows rescue live-cd (it only took them four years for a windows one..bartsomething) |
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| 02:34.31 | CountZ | vorlon: So you are betting on cabling? |
| 02:34.37 | CountZ | vorlon: It did work fine for 6 month |
| 02:34.50 | abrotman | mfrisch: never heard of it .. and not related to debian afaik |
| 02:34.54 | vorlon | Zargonog: linux DEBCONF_PRIORITY=low for the equivalent to "expert" on i386 |
| 02:34.58 | debian-san | kevinv, Not yet. |
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| 02:35.10 | vorlon | Zargonog: linux DEBCONF_PRIORITY=medium if you want something that's actually a sane middle ground. :) |
| 02:35.19 | debian-san | kevinv, Yes, I can fully use the system with ssh. |
| 02:35.21 | Zargonog | vorlon: thank you i will try that |
| 02:35.27 | FieldySnuts | ~dachs abrotman |
| 02:35.28 | apt | abrotman: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 02:35.31 | kevinv | debian-san: It's the last resort really, if you can't reproduce the problem, then it was a one time thing. |
| 02:35.33 | vorlon | CountZ: I'm not betting on anything in particular; but cabling is far cheaper to replace/fix than most of the other possibilities |
| 02:35.35 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: hello |
| 02:35.35 | jsan | my frineds , good night, how command is possilbe to search 1 word in a file and subfolders ? |
| 02:35.38 | FieldySnuts | heh hi |
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| 02:35.49 | kevinv | debian-san: But not base-config, sadly. |
| 02:36.07 | FieldySnuts | oh my goal of having the systems "badger" "mushroom" and "snake" is 2/3 complete, i put snake on the network at work |
| 02:36.07 | dondelelcaro | jsan: find . -type f -print0|xargs -0 grep fooword; |
| 02:36.16 | FieldySnuts | my boss was annoyed, but accepted it |
| 02:36.21 | mfrisch | abrotman I know. but I trust your opinion, THANKS |
| 02:36.28 | CountZ | vorlon: one thing is for sure - i'm in trouble |
| 02:36.33 | CountZ | :-( |
| 02:36.37 | lisa_ | when I typed aptitude install firefox, it wanted to remove about 11 packages including kppp, kde etc! But when I type apt-get install firefox, it doesnt remove anything! How come? |
| 02:36.41 | abrotman | mfrisch: i'm really not sure .. you'd have to figure out how to make the image bootable on the flash drive |
| 02:36.56 | FieldySnuts | so if we can just find the need for one more server... mushroom. dns? yeah. |
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| 02:37.03 | FieldySnuts | my plan will be complete! |
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| 02:37.39 | kevinv | debian-san: If it responds with ssh, meaning that you are at least getting a working session. base-config, configures the password modules as well, that's what the 'login' program is looking for, I figure. |
| 02:37.42 | lisa_ | can someone give me their latest sources.list file for Sarge? |
| 02:37.43 | mfrisch | like dd the boot.img from the iso and looping and copy kinda thing |
| 02:37.45 | gravity | lisa_: You may want to use aptitude in interactive mode to work through things like that. |
| 02:37.45 | debian-san | kevinv, I'm pretty sure I can reproduce it at will though. It's not the first time I try to install debian (or windows) on this machine. For Debian, it always hang at the welcome screen. For windows 2000, I cannot even run the installer. I get "Cannot find boot device error". With debian, I got a message related to scsi with a dump trace. Unfortunaly, this trace is not written to log files. |
| 02:37.48 | FieldySnuts | after that i'll get into dachs pilz and blaireau |
| 02:37.49 | dondelelcaro | jsan: man find; man xargs; man grep; [you may also find the -R option of grep useful...] |
| 02:37.55 | lisa_ | gravity, ok |
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| 02:38.01 | amahbod | hello. |
| 02:38.10 | lisa_ | gravity, how do you load aptitude in interactive mode ? |
| 02:38.12 | amahbod | does anyone know how to view what is being outputted to /dev/dsp |
| 02:38.13 | amahbod | ? |
| 02:38.13 | gravity | lisa_: You can use some of the commands in interactive mode to look at why packages are being removed |
| 02:38.16 | dondelelcaro | lisa_: just run aptitude; |
| 02:38.18 | gravity | lisa_: Just type 'aptitude' :-) |
| 02:38.20 | abrotman | lisa_: apt-setup to pick a mirror |
| 02:38.20 | amahbod | i tried cat /dev/dsp and it didnt work |
| 02:38.23 | lisa_ | ok |
| 02:38.26 | lisa_ | abrotman, thanks :P |
| 02:38.29 | lisa_ | dondelelcaro, ty |
| 02:38.34 | dondelelcaro | lisa_: np |
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| 02:38.42 | debian-san | kevinv, I have no scsi device on this machine. Just a ide drive. And I boot with noscsi in grub. It doesn't change anything. |
| 02:38.50 | vorlon | amahbod: plug your line out into an oscilloscope. :-) |
| 02:38.56 | amahbod | vorlon, lol. |
| 02:39.02 | amahbod | vorlon, i dont own one sadly :( |
| 02:39.03 | gravity | lisa_: Unfortunately, working through those sorts of problems is a lot of art and experience, so you'll have to play with it to figure things out |
| 02:39.32 | amahbod | vorlon, is there any way to grab it from within debian? |
| 02:39.34 | lisa_ | dondelelcaro, I spent 7 hours today and wasted more than 35 calls to try to connect Sarge to Internet! But ALL i had to do was change auth to noauth in the /etc/ppp/options file :P hehe! Oh well, I learned a lot : |
| 02:39.43 | kevinv | debian-san: It has to be hardware issues then, I have no scsi as well, I boot the installer with no options. Both Kernel 2.4 and 2.6 did work. It could be a hardware conflict. |
| 02:39.46 | dondelelcaro | lisa_: heh |
| 02:39.52 | dondelelcaro | lisa_: yeah, ppp is really a PITA. |
| 02:40.00 | lisa_ | dondelelcaro, wish you were here earlier, you would have told me |
| 02:40.04 | kevinv | debian-san: Did add any new hardware lately, and is it an older system? |
| 02:40.06 | dvs | use a router ;-) |
| 02:40.08 | vorlon | amahbod: there's no general-purpose, sane way to spy on what's being output to the device; if you were using a sound daemon like esd, you could probably hack it into giving you a copy of what it's sending to /dev/dsp, but otherwise I don't see any good way other than using strace. |
| 02:40.14 | gravity | I've never had to set up PPP on linux, mercifully |
| 02:40.16 | lisa_ | dondelelcaro, you would have saved me 7 hours of frustration :P |
| 02:40.22 | gravity | Although I tried, back in '98/'99 or so |
| 02:40.22 | lisa_ | gravity, lucky you :) |
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| 02:40.26 | abrotman | pppconfig is a nice tool |
| 02:40.29 | gravity | lisa_: Yeah :-) |
| 02:40.29 | abrotman | IMO anyways |
| 02:40.43 | lisa_ | abrotman, yeah pppconfig helped me too |
| 02:40.46 | abrotman | i used ppp for a long time .. always using pppconfig instead of wvdial |
| 02:40.47 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: could be; I'm too much of a manpage+$EDITOR person to touch it |
| 02:40.51 | abrotman | and pon/poff |
| 02:40.52 | kevinv | debian-san: I admit, I didn't yet look at the base-config source code, and I do not know what it does at that screen, besides 'welcoming' you. |
| 02:40.59 | litage | is the default location of smbpasswd /etc/ or /etc/samba/ ? |
| 02:41.03 | lisa_ | dondelelcaro, can I have a copy of your sources.list for Sarge? |
| 02:41.04 | dvs | ppp ain't that hard. If I can figure it out, anyone could. |
| 02:41.05 | gravity | back then it was either editing text files or kpp, and I hated kde so... I failed to set up ppp :-p |
| 02:41.07 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ppp is always a pita :) |
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| 02:41.11 | vorlon | litage: on Debian, /etc/samba |
| 02:41.16 | vorlon | (on most things, actually) |
| 02:41.16 | dondelelcaro | lisa_: just run apt-setup; and pick a close mirror. |
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| 02:41.21 | litage | thanks |
| 02:41.21 | kevinv | debian-san: I am guessing, it must do some last minute hardware configurations. |
| 02:41.53 | kevinv | debian-san: Is it the latest Sarge install CD? an older one? |
| 02:41.54 | dondelelcaro | lisa_: since you're in au, that's probably http.au.debian.org or ftp.au.debian.org; you definetly don't want to bother with connecting to the mirrors that are local to me. |
| 02:42.34 | lisa_ | dondelelcaro, ah ok |
| 02:42.53 | vorlon | dondelelcaro: oh, do the .au mirrors have the "suck" flag disabled this week? |
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| 02:43.02 | kevinv | debian-san: I use a sarge CD that isn't the newest, or the oldest. It's just before sarge became stable. It could be a bug of either a newer, or older version of base-config. |
| 02:43.04 | dondelelcaro | vorlon: I have no idea |
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| 02:43.16 | vorlon | (not that using an off-shore mirror is a better option for anyone in the .au anyway) |
| 02:43.19 | debian-san | kevinv, It's a brand "new" computer. I've assembled it last week-end. However, it's "old" hardware : ASUS a8n7x-vm400 with AMD Sempron 2500+. |
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| 02:43.28 | kevinv | debian-san: At the point where base-config starts, apt didn't get update base-config. |
| 02:43.43 | dondelelcaro | vorlon: having never actually set foot on AU soil, I've never even attempted to use that mirror |
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| 02:44.00 | CountZ | to remount a RO fs as RW, I tried this but it doesn't work: mount -o remote=rw / |
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| 02:44.04 | CountZ | remount |
| 02:44.05 | CountZ | not remote |
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| 02:44.12 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: mount -o remount,rw /; |
| 02:44.18 | CountZ | oh thanks |
| 02:44.25 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: man mount; and read about how you specify multiple options |
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| 02:44.38 | vorlon | dondelelcaro: yeah, the .au mirror support is somewhat notorious though |
| 02:44.39 | debian-san | kevinv, My CD of debian is Sarge Debian 3.1 r0. |
| 02:44.52 | CountZ | fry:/var/log# mount -o remount,rw /dev/sda1 |
| 02:44.52 | CountZ | mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 02:45.00 | lisa_ | vorlon, what you mean? |
| 02:45.06 | dondelelcaro | vorlon: yeah, I remember them having some weird issues with not allowing anyone else to connect to their mirror or something; having no understanding of their network I kind of ignored it |
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| 02:45.16 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: uh, what is /dev/sda1? |
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| 02:45.25 | CountZ | dondelelcaro: It's a SATA drive |
| 02:45.30 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: what filesystem? |
| 02:45.34 | CountZ | Ext3 |
| 02:45.38 | kevinv | debian-san: Then it could as well be a hardware conflict, since any OS you put on it, is rejecting something. Did you try anyother OS other then Debian or Windows 2000? |
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| 02:46.07 | kevinv | debian-san: Or perhaps a LiveCD to test the hardware? |
| 02:46.11 | vorlon | lisa_: we have had a lot of problems with the .au Debian mirrors historically, because .au.debian.org *has* to point to something in Australia because of how bandwidth is metered for most users there, and the mirror offerings that we can pick from aren't well cared for |
| 02:46.16 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: and if you ls -l /dev/sda1; it's brw-rw----; right? |
| 02:46.29 | anibal | dondelelcaro, vorlon: I don't use the .au mirror, I use mirror.optus.net/debian, another debian mirror in .au |
| 02:46.32 | CountZ | yes it is |
| 02:46.40 | CountZ | it is brw-rw---- |
| 02:46.45 | lisa_ | vorlon, I understand |
| 02:46.46 | debian-san | kevinv, I tried Knoppix and Ubuntu live cd. And they don't live long... They complain that they cannot find the file system, and die. |
| 02:46.48 | vorlon | lisa_: you may want to note anibal's comment above |
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| 02:47.02 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: check dmesg|less; and see what is going on with that drive... it should have some output. |
| 02:47.10 | lisa_ | vorlon, ok |
| 02:47.13 | CountZ | it constantly spurts out this message: EXT3-fs error (device sda1) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted |
| 02:47.21 | lisa_ | anibal, are you using Sarge? |
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| 02:47.41 | debian-san | kevinv, But I don't think it's the disk the culprit because I managed to install debian on it and it runs fine (with ssh, that is). |
| 02:48.07 | anibal | lisa_, I use sarge in production machines, and sid in my development machines and chroots as well |
| 02:48.30 | lisa_ | anibal, can I have a copy of your sources.list please? |
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| 02:48.40 | abrotman | lisa_: apt-setup |
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| 02:48.45 | lisa_ | anibal, for the sarge machines |
| 02:49.17 | lisa_ | abrotman, well, as anibal said, theres another mirror called optus.net that doesnt appear in apt-setup |
| 02:49.29 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: sounds like something bad has happened to the ext3 journal; I don't use that filesystem, so I'm not totally sure what you'll need to do to fix it |
| 02:49.35 | abrotman | lisa_: then it's not an "official" mirror |
| 02:49.58 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: try mounting it ro, then fscking it. |
| 02:50.01 | anibal | lisa_, une moment |
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| 02:50.10 | CountZ | I did try that |
| 02:50.18 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: and? |
| 02:50.26 | damog | Meh. |
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| 02:50.43 | lisa_ | anibal, thanks |
| 02:50.45 | dondelelcaro | fsck.ext3 /dev/sda1; should at least give you some sort of idea what is wrong with the device (or repair the journal) |
| 02:51.15 | debian-san | kevinv, CDLinux works well though. |
| 02:51.17 | orlon_ | any C coders in here? i'm looking at the patch provided for # |
| 02:51.19 | orlon_ | oops |
| 02:51.21 | travisat | CountZ: William Gibson rocks |
| 02:51.31 | kevinv | debian-san: I am completely stumped at this one. It's not the keyboard, it's not hard disc. No OS wants to live on it. We are running out of possibilities. ssh works, maybe you created a ssh-only system. I suggest installing servers on it. Since it's no crackable locally. |
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| 02:51.35 | orlon_ | any C coders in here? i'm looking at the patch provided for #325444 |
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| 02:51.37 | CountZ | /dev/sda1 contains a file system with errors, check forced. |
| 02:51.44 | CountZ | travisat: Yes he does... ;-) |
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| 02:52.24 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: right, so keep checking it until it gets fixed... |
| 02:52.47 | abrotman | orlon_: and? |
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| 02:52.59 | CountZ | dondelelcaro: I think something worse is happening than just a few errors |
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| 02:53.09 | CountZ | dondelelcaro: I suspect a serious hardware problem |
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| 02:53.15 | anibal | lisa: |
| 02:53.17 | anibal | deb http://mirror.optus.net/debian stable main |
| 02:53.17 | anibal | deb-src http://mirror.optus.net/debian stable main |
| 02:53.18 | kevinv | debian-san: But why only CDLinux, which also leaves one OS that can use it. What does CDLinux do that Debian and the other OSs don't. Which modules load with CDLinux. |
| 02:53.21 | orlon_ | abrotman: it's replacing popen with fork/exec but no pipe. if i'm reading it right the patch would make btsrv non-functional |
| 02:53.44 | kevinv | Run CDLinux and type 'lsmod', then ssh to Debian, and do the same. |
| 02:53.45 | orlon_ | abrotman: which is secure but not very useful |
| 02:53.57 | abrotman | orlon_: you're better off contacting the maintainer for that package if you're concerned about it |
| 02:54.21 | kevinv | Find out the differences between the two lists is a good bet on what Debian could be missing for your hardware. |
| 02:54.23 | lisa_ | anibal, thank you :) |
| 02:54.26 | abrotman | !maint affix |
| 02:54.28 | dpkg | affix: Mario Joussen <joussen@debian.org> |
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| 02:54.39 | orlon_ | abrotman: yeah. i don't actually use the pkg, i was just writing some C today (after a _long_ time not using C) and noticed the DSA mentioning popen being insecure |
| 02:54.40 | anibal | lisa_, np |
| 02:54.43 | lisa_ | anibal, so I just add those 2 lines anywhere in sources.list ? |
| 02:55.12 | debian-san | kevinv, Very few modules. CDLinux looks like a minimal system. |
| 02:55.15 | orlon_ | abrotman: so i was trying to work out if my code using popen has the same problem (and hoping to knick their more secure code) |
| 02:55.25 | lisa_ | anibal, yes? |
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| 02:55.30 | abrotman | orlon_: #c exists .. they might be able to help more |
| 02:55.35 | anibal | lisa_, yep, the second one is for 'apt-get source <pkg>' |
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| 02:55.48 | lisa_ | anibal, ok ty |
| 02:55.56 | orlon_ | abrotman: good point |
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| 02:56.11 | debian-san | kevinv, I cannot tell you the modules now. I'm runnning base-install again from CD-Linux chrooted to my debian machine. |
| 02:56.11 | orlon_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:56.14 | abrotman | orlon_: np |
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| 02:56.15 | kevinv | The last suggestion is either Debian is loading the wrong modules, or it's the Debian-based Kernels. |
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| 02:56.50 | debian-san | kevinv, I hope that if base-config terminates correctly that the welcoming screen will never appear again. |
| 02:56.56 | CountZ | even after fixing it twice, and three times, dmesg still shows that message |
| 02:57.00 | Zargonog | anyone have a link to the floppy images that have cdrom drivers? |
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| 02:57.23 | Lur_ | hello |
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| 02:57.38 | kevinv | it shouldn't, it's coded not to. All files related to that seem to be removed afterwards. |
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| 02:58.07 | kevinv | debian-san: it shouldn't, it's coded not to. All files related to that seem to be removed afterwards. |
| 02:58.50 | kevinv | debian-san: The files in '/sbin/*.sh' not the program base-config, as it can still be run manually. |
| 02:59.03 | litage | i just installed 3.1r0a and noticed that /etc/apt/sources.list has unstable repositories listed. why is that?: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20050607)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 02:59.07 | Lur_ | I have a wireless debain pc, ant it is having trouble accessing the net |
| 02:59.10 | Lur_ | it can ping the router |
| 02:59.11 | Zargonog | !floppy |
| 02:59.12 | dpkg | well, floppy is flop, flop, flop.. |
| 02:59.17 | Lur_ | and it worked the other day |
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| 03:00.06 | travisat | litage: if I remember correctly when you install you get a choice of testing or unstable. of course I haven't installed in about 6 months so I might be wrong |
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| 03:01.08 | rking | travisat: it has to do with which install downloads you are using |
| 03:01.28 | travisat | rking: yes that too |
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| 03:01.54 | chealer | litage, it doesn't matter for the CDs |
| 03:02.14 | cat | damn mouse |
| 03:02.31 | litage | travisat: hrmm, that question didn't come up when i installed |
| 03:02.37 | litage | chealer: why does it not matter for CDs? |
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| 03:03.04 | travisat | litage: well I think it only comes up if you choose the expert install |
| 03:03.09 | chealer | litage, all releases are symlinks to the a unique release in CDs |
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| 03:03.30 | chealer | s/the a/a |
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| 03:03.41 | cat | damn i wonder why my mouse isn't responding |
| 03:03.44 | rking | litage: if you have a decent internet connection it's not a big deal - you can change your mind and be about an hour away from a totally different version |
| 03:03.56 | rking | cat: what clues do you have for us? |
| 03:04.07 | cat | i restarted it hotplug but it takes for ever |
| 03:04.11 | litage | travisat: no mention of expert or basic install came up, either |
| 03:04.27 | debian-san | kevinv, This time, I completed the base-config. But still, the welcome screen is back, and the keyboard is unusable. |
| 03:04.40 | travisat | litage: I must have used an old install cd or something. or just be crazy |
| 03:04.48 | litage | travisat: =P |
| 03:05.03 | cat | !bf24 |
| 03:05.04 | dpkg | bf2.4 is, like, boot floppies with a 2.4.x kernel. Read the install guide (ask me about "install guide"). Press F3 when the woody CD is at the boot: prompt for a list of images. |
| 03:05.11 | debian-san | kevinv, I have to find who starts the welcome screen and remove it from existence. |
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| 03:05.13 | cat | woody the best |
| 03:05.17 | litage | chealer: even so, why after downloading and installing the latest stable is unstable mentioned in sources.list? that doesn't make sense |
| 03:05.17 | g0rd0n | lol |
| 03:05.31 | rking | cat: hrmm... maybe try switching to usbmgr? (although, at the moment, i'm having to run the version before the latest in testing - so if you're on testing you might have to think about that) |
| 03:05.35 | cat | hey can someone teach me how to mount a usb floppy? |
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| 03:05.49 | Octalthorpe | I'm working on tweaking my Inspiron 6000, currently trying to get S3 (suspend-to-ram) working. It seems to go down alright, but when I hit the power button to bring it back up, it just tries to boot up manually. I thought this was handled by the BIOS, but is there something obvious I may have missed? |
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| 03:05.58 | travisat | oh yes that was it. you have to choose expert26 or expert24 in the boot options |
| 03:06.00 | kevin^ | cat: Sorry, I've never used a USB floppy drive. |
| 03:06.04 | cat | oh |
| 03:06.15 | travisat | cat: I just plug mine in. |
| 03:06.21 | kevin^ | (I did however just get 2.4 TB of drives working. RAID goodness, here we come!) |
| 03:06.26 | cat | oh i have a usb floppy but it doesn't work |
| 03:06.27 | debian-san | kevinv, I found something! |
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| 03:06.47 | debian-san | kevinv, In inittab, there it is!! |
| 03:07.00 | debian-san | kevinv, respawn base-config... |
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| 03:07.28 | webby | BitchX -1 ~/me.bx |
| 03:07.32 | cat | damn my usb mouse sucks |
| 03:07.35 | chealer | litage, I son't know/remember the explanation |
| 03:07.48 | cat | is always turning off, |
| 03:07.52 | chealer | I'm pretty sure this was discussed somewhere though |
| 03:07.53 | travisat | cat: you sure something isn't wrong with your usb hardware, or usb kernel support |
| 03:08.02 | concept10 | which kernel is the most stable 2.4 or 2.6 (for servers, not desktop) |
| 03:08.07 | kevin^ | I was getting a kernel panic on boot, because the Debian default kernel doesn't support Sil3132 SATA controllers, but my hand-compiled kernel was, and it was moving my boot drive from /dev/sda to /dev/sde... |
| 03:08.20 | tech13 | how can i get my passwords out of my old system's galeon (woody)? |
| 03:08.21 | Segers_J | how do I get ld to re-read ld.so.conf? |
| 03:08.42 | chealer | concept10, 2.4 |
| 03:08.44 | kevin^ | concept10: They're both pretty good. 2.4 is a bit more battle-tested, if it has the features and hardware support you need. |
| 03:09.04 | colby | Segers_J: run `ldconfig` |
| 03:09.05 | concept10 | kevin^: I like battle tested :) |
| 03:09.17 | kevin^ | (I'm running 2.6.13+patches in my new server because I need the PCIe & SATA device support.) |
| 03:09.17 | Segers_J | colby: that was it, thanks. |
| 03:09.24 | colby | np |
| 03:10.35 | lisa_ | i am using a fresh install of Sarge. Does it come with a firewall, or I need to install one like firestarter or something? |
| 03:10.51 | kevin^ | concept10: Note that even older versions are still maintained and even more stable... :-) You ca run 2.0.40 if you like. |
| 03:10.53 | gravity | lisa_: Nope, but you can definitely install one |
| 03:11.12 | lisa_ | gravity, which firewall is recommended as the best for Sarge? |
| 03:11.28 | concept10 | how do I remove appletalk or is that something in the kernel? (sarge 3.1 2.4) |
| 03:11.37 | gravity | lisa_: There isn't really one. Whatever you like. I use shorewall. |
| 03:11.52 | lisa_ | gravity, is firestarter good enough? |
| 03:11.59 | debian-san | kevinv, The welcoming screen is gone. I have a login prompt... Rightly followed by a Spurrious 8259A Interrupt IRQ7. The tty1 is dead as usual. |
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| 03:12.04 | gravity | lisa_: Sure |
| 03:12.17 | gravity | lisa_: I've never used it, but never heard anything bad about it either |
| 03:12.21 | lisa_ | gravity, great :) |
| 03:12.27 | abrotman | lisa_: do you have any services listening ? |
| 03:12.29 | lisa_ | gravity, ok |
| 03:12.44 | lisa_ | abrotman, im sorry I dont understand the question |
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| 03:13.08 | abrotman | lisa_: you know .. like ftp/ssh/http etc .. if you don't .. you may not need it (though it's always a good idea to learn) |
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| 03:13.59 | kevin^ | lisa_: I just use raw iptables. Everything else is just a wrapper around it. |
| 03:14.09 | lisa_ | abrotman, I use firefox all the time and sometimes gftp, if thats what you were asking |
| 03:14.14 | kevin^ | But unless you're protecting *other* machines, you don't need one. |
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| 03:14.27 | gravity | lisa_: Do you have any severs running though, that are exposed to the internet? |
| 03:14.29 | lisa_ | kevin^, i dont know what raw iptables mean, sorry |
| 03:14.34 | abrotman | lisa_: those aren't servers .. those are clients |
| 03:14.41 | lisa_ | gravity, no |
| 03:14.45 | Zargonog | anyone know where i can get the floppy image that has the cdrom driver? |
| 03:15.36 | debian-san | kevinv, Time for lunch. |
| 03:15.42 | kevin^ | lisa_: "iptables" is the name of the kernel firewall implementation, and the name of the user-space utility that manipulates it. *all* other "firewall" packages are simply pretty configuration front ends for kernel iptables features. |
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| 03:16.17 | kevin^ | I just use the "iptables" command by itself in a big hand-written script to set up the firewall rules on my router. |
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| 03:16.38 | cat | oh i'm having issues with my usb floppy sucks |
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| 03:17.42 | kevin^ | lisa_: That's because I like to know Exactly What's Going On. YMMV. |
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| 03:18.58 | asuffield | kevin^: then after you get tired of writing 5000+ rules by hand, you either use shorewall or reinvent it |
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| 03:20.11 | abrotman | asuffield: you must have a complicated firewal |
| 03:20.18 | asuffield | asuffield@ichigo:~$ (sudo iptables -t filter -L; sudo iptables -t nat -L) | wc -l |
| 03:20.18 | asuffield | 4129 |
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| 03:20.21 | asuffield | yes. yes I do. |
| 03:20.22 | GnomeDesktop1337 | How do I install the java runtime on debian? |
| 03:20.28 | Zargonog | anyone know where i can get the floppy image that has the cdrom driver? |
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| 03:20.38 | kevin^ | asuffield: My firewall (and not a simple one) is 605 lines of script, of which 197 are the "iptables" command. |
| 03:20.40 | rking | asuffield: what kinds of things are you doing that require that many details? |
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| 03:20.54 | abrotman | !tell GnomeDesktop1337 about install java |
| 03:20.59 | asuffield | complicated things |
| 03:21.05 | asuffield | and things which are many in number |
| 03:21.08 | abrotman | asuffield: is that at home ? |
| 03:21.15 | cat | ok great i got my usb floppy working yeay |
| 03:21.17 | cat | *yay |
| 03:21.36 | asuffield | no. my company builds and operates sheltered housing. that's one of our new sites. there's 27 independently owned flats in there, plus the offices |
| 03:21.56 | kevinv | quit |
| 03:21.56 | abrotman | asuffield: wtf is sheltered housing ? |
| 03:21.57 | lisa_ | kevin^, sounds good |
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| 03:22.07 | GnomeDesktop1337 | How the hell do i talk to dpkg? |
| 03:22.07 | lisa_ | gravity, no servers running no |
| 03:22.10 | abrotman | asuffield: safe houses for people ? homeless people ? |
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| 03:22.17 | asuffield | abrotman: crossbreed of a nursing home and a block of flats. old people. |
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| 03:22.20 | abrotman | GnomeDesktop1337: you're not registered are you? |
| 03:22.23 | kevin^ | lisa_: Is your machine acting as a router for other machines? |
| 03:22.28 | abrotman | asuffield: oh .. gotcha |
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| 03:22.34 | GnomeDesktop1337 | abrotman: No? |
| 03:22.37 | abrotman | asuffield: old people need firewalls ? :) |
| 03:22.37 | Zargonog | anyone know where i can get the floppy image that has the cdrom driver? |
| 03:22.40 | gravity | lisa_: Ok, cool |
| 03:22.55 | abrotman | GnomeDesktop1337: then you can't speak to dpkg .. but he can speak to you .. at least i think that's how it's working now |
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| 03:23.14 | asuffield | abrotman: shared internet line, and sitewide ethernet which both provides their personal internet access and carries the building management systems. no one flat can be allowed to interfere with any other |
| 03:23.15 | abrotman | Zargonog: did you ask #debian-sparc ? |
| 03:23.16 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Do you have the source for the java repository? |
| 03:23.27 | abrotman | asuffield: ah .. ok .. makes sense |
| 03:23.32 | abrotman | GnomeDesktop1337: did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 03:23.38 | asuffield | it gets just a little bit complicated |
| 03:23.38 | lisa_ | kevin^, did you write that 605 line script? |
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| 03:23.46 | abrotman | asuffield: you think? :) |
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| 03:23.56 | Zargonog | no cause theres only like 5 people in there |
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| 03:24.05 | lisa_ | kevin^, no its not |
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| 03:24.14 | abrotman | Zargonog: they are really the people to ask .. not many people in here run debian on sparc afaik |
| 03:24.20 | GnomeDesktop1337 | It said install java from a package needs a source |
| 03:24.21 | kevin^ | lisa_: Yes. It's pretty site-specific, arbitrating between three interfaces (inside, outside, and DMZ) |
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| 03:24.34 | abrotman | GnomeDesktop1337: yes .. you just java-package on the .bin from java.sun.com |
| 03:24.38 | abrotman | or java.com .. whatever |
| 03:24.47 | lisa_ | kevin^, you must be a veteran to linux to know how to do that :) |
| 03:24.49 | kevin^ | lisa_: In that case (not acting as a router), you don't *need* a firewall. |
| 03:24.57 | Zargonog | well im just looking for the floppy images with the drivers |
| 03:25.03 | abrotman | lartc.org and netfilter.org are decent references |
| 03:25.07 | GnomeDesktop1337 | abrotman: That never works and the site is down right now, why I was wondering if I could add a source then apt-get it |
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| 03:25.17 | abrotman | GnomeDesktop1337: worked perfectly fine for me .. |
| 03:25.21 | abrotman | GnomeDesktop1337: apt-get.org |
| 03:25.22 | lisa_ | kevin^, I thought if I didnt have a firewall, someone can enter my system and look and read my files on my HD! Is that not the case? |
| 03:25.23 | GnomeDesktop1337 | I remember doing it on ubunutu |
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| 03:25.34 | asuffield | well I have, umm.... thirty eight interfaces on my firewall, nyah |
| 03:25.43 | kevin^ | lisa_: It's knowing TCP/IP and sysadmin stuff, not Linux per se. A trivial bit of shell scripting, mostly of the form "for i in $PROTOCOLS; do iptables -A ruleset --dport $i ..." |
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| 03:26.02 | abrotman | asuffield: what .. you couldn't come up with 2 more to make an even number divisable by 10 :) |
| 03:26.05 | lisa_ | kevin^, sounds complicated :P |
| 03:26.05 | kevin^ | asuffield: Yes, that's what it would take to get a rule set quite that complicated. VLAN, I assume? |
| 03:26.12 | asuffield | kevin^: lots of 'em |
| 03:26.24 | asuffield | abrotman: hey, I was shooting for thirty :P |
| 03:26.24 | kevin^ | abrotman: Well, he might not have counted lo... |
| 03:26.37 | lisa_ | kevin^, I thought if I didnt have a firewall, someone can enter my system and look and read my files on my HD! Is that not the case? |
| 03:26.43 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:26.52 | asuffield | there's a couple of vpn interfaces in there too |
| 03:26.53 | kevin^ | lisa_: Oh my, no! |
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| 03:27.09 | lisa_ | kevin^, ok :P |
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| 03:27.24 | kevin^ | lisa_: Linux, like Unix, is designed to be secure on a network. |
| 03:27.36 | lisa_ | kevin^, ok |
| 03:27.56 | kevin^ | lisa_: If you have external login programs (telnet, rlogin, or ssh) offered on your machine *and* bad passwords, then someone can. |
| 03:28.17 | lisa_ | im installing firefox, and its installing mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge3. Is this the latest version? |
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| 03:28.28 | lisa_ | kevin^: ok |
| 03:28.30 | kevin^ | Myself, I have only ssh, and only public-key authentication, turned on, and am not worried. |
| 03:28.49 | abrotman | real men use rsh |
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| 03:29.05 | lisa_ | i thought firefox was up to 1.0.6 |
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| 03:29.12 | lisa_ | abrotman: hehe |
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| 03:29.30 | kevin^ | lisa_: The thing is, intrusion is *only* possible if your machine is offering network services. You can't get conned by a telephone scam artist if you don't answer the telephone. |
| 03:29.34 | lisa_ | Area-51: hello and welcome to Earth :) |
| 03:29.42 | Kempston | how can i check how many file descriptors some process has open? |
| 03:29.43 | Area-51 | lisa_: thanks, ive missed it :) |
| 03:29.51 | lisa_ | kevin^: that makes sense |
| 03:29.51 | kevin^ | Linux is pretty good about not answering the phone without clear instructions to do so. |
| 03:29.55 | lisa_ | Area-51: lol |
| 03:30.04 | lisa_ | kevin^: yeah |
| 03:30.25 | lisa_ | kevin^: are you using sarge also? |
| 03:30.31 | kevin^ | "lsof -i" will tell you exactly what phone calls your machine is making or will answer. Look for lines that say "(LISTEN)" at the end. |
| 03:30.50 | kevin^ | Those lines are "calls your machine will answer", i.e. network services offered. |
| 03:30.58 | lisa_ | kevin^: did you hear about the new phone service for atheists? |
| 03:31.03 | cougar` | What tool, Unix/Linux tool is out there that allows me to convert a text file's line endings? IE : From Mac, Unix, or PC. |
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| 03:31.09 | kevin^ | Those are the things you need to worry about. |
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| 03:31.16 | abrotman | cougar`: dos2unix/unix2dos |
| 03:31.17 | kevin^ | lisa_: No. I am one, so do te.. |
| 03:31.23 | kevin^ | lisa_: No. I am one, so do tell... |
| 03:31.24 | lisa_ | kevin^: the atheists call a phone number, but nobody answers them. |
| 03:31.37 | lisa_ | kevin^: :P |
| 03:31.38 | kevin^ | lisa_: *groan*. |
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| 03:31.43 | cougar` | abrotman : What about Mac? |
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| 03:31.56 | abrotman | cougar`: i assume you mean OSX .. which should be the same format as linux/unix |
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| 03:32.10 | cougar` | hmmm |
| 03:32.19 | lisa_ | does anyone know the latest firefox for Sarge? is it 1.0.6 or 1.0.4-2sarge3? |
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| 03:32.24 | Vladii | hi, is there a program for debian that checks for updates and emails u if there are some or even installes them ? |
| 03:32.29 | kevin^ | abrotman: Older MacOS used CR-terminated lines. |
| 03:32.29 | abrotman | lisa_: use the one it gives you |
| 03:32.39 | abrotman | kevin^: who uses older macs? :) |
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| 03:32.58 | walao1 | hi, gaim package is only v1.3.1 for 'testing'. when will 1.5 be available? |
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| 03:33.02 | abrotman | kevin^: "Oh look .. I got this new fangled OS9.1!!!" |
| 03:33.11 | meneg | does anyone know a program in .deb similar to sourcenav? |
| 03:33.17 | abrotman | walao1: 2-10 days after it enters sid/unstable |
| 03:33.20 | kevin^ | Vladii: In what way is "aptitude -u" not sufficient for your needs? |
| 03:33.25 | abrotman | !info gaim sid |
| 03:33.28 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.5.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 827 kB, Installed size: 2028 kB |
| 03:33.29 | lisa_ | abrotman: ok |
| 03:33.33 | Area-51 | ive installed xfonts-cyrillic, console-cyrillic, xfonts-cronyx-100dpi, xfonts-cronyx-75dpi, xfonts-intl-european and i still cant get cyrillics to display on the console -- what am i doing wrong? also, what can i use to switch keyboard layouts from latin to cyrillic on the fly? |
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| 03:33.54 | kevin^ | Vladii: I have a nightly "apt-get update ; apt-get -duy dist-upgrade" cron job to download updates, but I like to install them by hand, for safety. |
| 03:33.54 | GnomeDesktop1337 | hah finally got the damn sh off of the whack ass site |
| 03:33.59 | lisa_ | my first day using Debian Sarge and itsa great |
| 03:34.20 | cat | cool |
| 03:34.22 | lisa_ | why didnt I know about Debian Sarge years ago :P |
| 03:34.24 | abrotman | mentor: similar to what? |
| 03:34.25 | Vladii | kevin^: exactly something like that but maby i tought a wrapper someone made with nicer info in an email |
| 03:34.25 | GnomeDesktop1337 | lisa_: My first day I was WTF this installer is whack |
| 03:34.29 | kevin^ | lisa |
| 03:34.33 | walao1 | abrotman, how to install a sid package when i am running sarge? |
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| 03:34.40 | abrotman | !tell walao1 about simple sid backport |
| 03:34.42 | gravity | GnomeDesktop1337: With the sarge installer? Really? |
| 03:34.44 | lisa_ | GnomeDesktop1337: lol |
| 03:34.59 | gravity | Maybe you'd have been better suited to boot-floppies or something |
| 03:34.59 | ihavenoskills | hey how can I setup two networks cards in a debian box, one for incoming, and then share the internet connection with another computer with the second one |
| 03:35.19 | lisa_ | my debian boot menu has 4 lines, 2 for kernel 2.4 and 2 for 2.6! How can I remove kernel 2.4 from system and from boot menu? |
| 03:35.21 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Yeah um right now im using sarge snapshop i back in may i believe with 14 Cds |
| 03:36.14 | walao1 | abrotman: thks, i'll wait till it is available for sarge. |
| 03:36.15 | GnomeDesktop1337 | lisa_: edit lilo.conf |
| 03:36.23 | kevin^ | ihavenoskills: iptables in the kernel and NAT (a.k.a. IP masquerading). STFW for details; there are a lot of HOWTOs out there. |
| 03:36.28 | GnomeDesktop1337 | vim /etc/lilo.conf |
| 03:36.30 | abrotman | walao1: it won't .. debian/stable doesn't work lke that |
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| 03:36.48 | GnomeDesktop1337 | remove the lines containing the label you dont want |
| 03:36.57 | GnomeDesktop1337 | save the type lilo as root |
| 03:36.57 | witless | mad thanks to whoever got the window selector fix in :-) |
| 03:36.58 | kevin^ | lisa_: What boot manager are you using? GRUB or Lilo? |
| 03:37.04 | Area-51 | ive installed xfonts-cyrillic, console-cyrillic, xfonts-cronyx-100dpi, xfonts-cronyx-75dpi, xfonts-intl-european and i still cant get cyrillics to display on the console -- what am i doing wrong? also, what can i use to switch keyboard layouts from latin to cyrillic on the fly? |
| 03:37.09 | GnomeDesktop1337 | I assumed lilo |
| 03:37.32 | kevin^ | If LILO, edit /etc/lilo.conf and delete the appropriate sections. If Grub, there's a similar config, but I don't recall its location off the top of my head. |
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| 03:37.35 | witless | is it my imagination or is gnome/X noticeably faster? |
| 03:37.41 | walao1 | abrotman: you mean it will be stuck at 1.3.1 for sarge? i thought packages move from unstable to testing to stable? |
| 03:37.46 | rarr | depends |
| 03:37.58 | Zargonog | !floppy image |
| 03:38.03 | abrotman | walao1: no .. packages move from unstable to testing .. then testing will be released as stable |
| 03:38.12 | GnomeDesktop1337 | witless: different themes have a great effect on gnome performance |
| 03:38.12 | Area-51 | how can i get eterm (and fluxbox) to display cyrillics? |
| 03:38.15 | abrotman | walao1: but basically .. whatever stable has .. is what it has |
| 03:38.16 | lisa_ | kevin^: i think it used grub |
| 03:38.25 | rarr | fluxbox/icewm>fasterthan>kde/gnome |
| 03:38.31 | GnomeDesktop1337 | lisa are you using gnome? |
| 03:38.41 | walao1 | so v1.5 should move to testing, in time, right? |
| 03:38.47 | abrotman | walao1: yes ... |
| 03:38.48 | cougar` | abrotman : I'm trying to use the 'split' command and the text file has contains a bunch of ^M |
| 03:38.51 | lisa_ | kevin^: can I use syanptic to remove kernel 2.4? |
| 03:38.51 | abrotman | !why is gaim not in testing |
| 03:38.53 | dpkg | gaim is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gaim |
| 03:38.55 | abrotman | walao1: ^^ |
| 03:39.11 | abrotman | cougar`: dos2unix <file> |
| 03:39.20 | damog | !why is oregano not in testing |
| 03:39.20 | dpkg | oregano is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=oregano |
| 03:39.28 | kevin^ | lisa_: I don't have the Grub manual around, but if you used the Debian default kernels, you can probably just remove the "kernel-image-2.4*" packages and everything will be taken care of. (The extras don't do any harm except for taking up disk space.) |
| 03:39.49 | walao1 | abrotman, gaim is in testing, but not the latest ver now. |
| 03:39.54 | cougar` | abrotman : I sort of need it on the Mac OS X machine |
| 03:39.58 | abrotman | walao1: that's what that url explains |
| 03:40.13 | abrotman | cougar`: that command? .. uhm .. ask #osx .. they should have something similar |
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| 03:40.19 | GnomeDesktop1337 | apt-get install gnome-system-utils or some such and it has a GUI for seting up grub and lilo |
| 03:40.22 | cougar` | You would think the 'split' command would have a switch. |
| 03:40.27 | rarr | anyone know how to get my wifi card (proxim harmony) working in sarge? |
| 03:40.36 | kevin^ | lisa_: Yes, it'll work fine. Don't delete *all* your kernels, of course! Some people (like me) compile kernels "by hand" and install them outside of the Debian package manager, so the package manager *will* let you remove all kernels it knows about. |
| 03:40.49 | kevin^ | lisa_: That would, however, be a Very Bad Thing for your computer. |
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| 03:40.51 | lisa_ | kevin^: ok ty |
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| 03:41.42 | rarr | how do I check to see if pcmcia is enabled? |
| 03:41.45 | cougar` | rgr abrotman : I think I found it |
| 03:41.48 | lisa_ | kevin^: I have done apt-get update. Now I was going to type apt-get upgrade! Will that update Sarge and all security updates etc? |
| 03:41.50 | kevin^ | In fact, I'm just about to go and do that. |
| 03:41.51 | abrotman | cougar`: ok ... |
| 03:41.58 | cougar` | Thanks bro |
| 03:42.02 | cougar` | Good night |
| 03:42.07 | abrotman | np .. later |
| 03:42.43 | kevin^ | lisa_: Yes, "upgrade" is pretty much always safe. I use "apt-get -u upgrade" to see what's going to be upgraded. It's "dist-upgrade" that risks breaking things. |
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| 03:43.07 | kpfleming[mobile | i just converted my system from sarge to testing, by replacing the sources in /etc/apt/sources.list and doing 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade'... that worked fine, except it won't upgrade zlib1g, i still have the sarge package installed and can't install zlib1g-dev |
| 03:43.30 | kevin^ | lisa_: (But "dist-upgrade" is needed sometimes. You just have to look at what it's doing more carefully.) |
| 03:44.05 | damog | rarr: Run lsmod. |
| 03:44.05 | kevin^ | kpfleming[mobile: Try aptitude or something, select it for upgrade, and see what the problem is. |
| 03:44.09 | lisa_ | kevin^: can "apt-get -u upgrade" be done using modem? I have a new Sarge installation, so will it need to download over 50 mb? |
| 03:44.11 | GnomeDesktop1337 | ohh kevin^ dude I wanna dist-upgrade to sid how do i do that? |
| 03:44.17 | kpfleming[mobile | kevin^: ok, will do, thanks |
| 03:44.33 | kevin^ | kpfleming[mobile: I've switched to aptitude over apt-get pretty much exclusively because it has the "Autoinstalled" flag. |
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| 03:44.56 | kpfleming[mobile | i've never used aptitude :-) i'm a newbie, only done the basic installs and apt-get to get what i needed |
| 03:45.02 | lisa_ | kevin^: whats the command to upgrade only security updates? |
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| 03:45.17 | kevin^ | GnomeDesktop1337: Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Then run "aptitude -u" and use caapital-U to select all the packages for upgrade. |
| 03:45.34 | dondelelcaro | lisa_: if you're running stable, all apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; will do is install security updates. |
| 03:45.48 | GnomeDesktop1337 | ohh this is crazy risky sweet |
| 03:45.50 | anibal | GnomeDesktop1337, to use sid, I'll recommend to follow the debian-devel list |
| 03:46.23 | kevin^ | lisa_: Um... I don't know one that does *only* security fixes. But in stable, there's not much else (just security and important bug fixes), so I'm not sure you need to make the distinction. |
| 03:46.38 | lisa_ | dondelelcaro: nice, and im doing it now and it only says 25mb will need to be downloaded |
| 03:46.48 | lisa_ | kevin^: yeah |
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| 03:46.57 | GnomeDesktop1337 | How do I stop my damn computer from making damn wierd noises? I already unplugged the fans ut then theres a grinding a rattling noise hitting it only stop it for a little bit |
| 03:47.14 | lisa_ | GnomeDesktop1337: hehe |
| 03:47.27 | jdhutchin1 | GnomeDesktop1337, your hard drive? |
| 03:47.33 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Now it's getting hot and it's making noises |
| 03:47.37 | lisa_ | GnomeDesktop1337: where is your cat atm? |
| 03:47.40 | GnomeDesktop1337 | I would guess so |
| 03:47.48 | jdhutchin1 | unplugging your fans would cause it to run hot |
| 03:47.51 | GnomeDesktop1337 | lisa_: ? |
| 03:47.54 | kevin^ | GnomeDesktop1337: When you installed a mouse, I think you used Mus musculus by accident. |
| 03:48.12 | GnomeDesktop1337 | WHAT |
| 03:48.14 | lisa_ | GnomeDesktop1337: im no expert, but cant you damage your CPU without fans? |
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| 03:48.18 | GnomeDesktop1337 | THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT |
| 03:48.44 | kevin^ | lisa_: Unless you use a *very* good heat sink. (Scythe ninja, or water cooling, or some such.) |
| 03:48.51 | GnomeDesktop1337 | No the P4 HSF runing just the case fans on the 5v rail are off and the side panel is removed |
| 03:49.00 | lisa_ | kevin^: ah |
| 03:49.03 | methodic | i have a stale nfs mount thats making my box hang... i cant kill the mount PID, and trying to issue a shutdown or reboot command it will just hang, can i send shutdown a flag to just SHUTDOWN and not wait to flush any caches or wait for anything? |
| 03:49.27 | GnomeDesktop1337 | the p4 HSF is huge i have to manueverit carefully everytime i put it on that non P4 processor |
| 03:49.41 | rarr | pcmcia isnt laoded on lsmod so how can I load it? |
| 03:50.11 | GnomeDesktop1337 | LOL |
| 03:50.20 | cplx | How do you exit dselect in the debian setup? |
| 03:50.26 | GnomeDesktop1337 | I have a minit atx board thinking about putting it in a rackmount |
| 03:51.18 | GnomeDesktop1337 | but rackmounts are expensive |
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| 03:51.52 | maher | cplx: there is a quit in the main menu - ctrl-c also works... |
| 03:52.01 | GnomeDesktop1337 | They look crazy cool and mad small but they're like a hundred american chinese dollars |
| 03:52.07 | cplx | maher: no quit, ctrl + c doesn't work for me :S |
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| 03:53.05 | maher | cplx: have you frozen the terminal with a ctrl-s? try ctrl-q, then ctrl-c |
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| 03:54.40 | GnomeDesktop1337 | w00t |
| 03:55.05 | GnomeDesktop1337 | So you guys play any online games? |
| 03:55.06 | anibal | lisa_, also add 'deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main' to your sources.list |
| 03:55.19 | Debianlover | anibal: ok |
| 03:55.43 | ihavenoskills | hey how can I change the subnet mask for a network interface? |
| 03:55.59 | GnomeDesktop1337 | ihavenoskills: You aint got the skills shorty |
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| 03:56.22 | nav5 | I was looking for an ethernet card for a pc I intend to install debian on. I know that a number of cards are supported, but are there any cards which are popular for use with linux/debian? |
| 03:56.29 | anibal | ihavenoskills, ifconfig eth0 1.2.3.4 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 03:56.35 | nadjyla | hello |
| 03:56.53 | ihavenoskills | ok thanks |
| 03:56.59 | GnomeDesktop1337 | nav5: Realtek ethernet cards always seem to work their wifi however ahem* well dont |
| 03:57.01 | anibal | ihavenoskills, np |
| 03:57.11 | maher | nav5: nearly all pci ethernet wired cards work |
| 03:57.30 | Debianlover | anibal: may I show you my sources.list now? |
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| 03:57.45 | anibal | Debianlover, yes please |
| 03:58.02 | Debianlover | anibal: how can I use the paste feature? |
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| 03:58.41 | Debianlover | !dpkg paster |
| 03:58.41 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 03:59.14 | anibal | Debianlover, I higlight by dragging the mouse, then I do ctrl-c |
| 03:59.23 | kevin^ | nav5: Pretty much any wired ethernet card will work, once you find the right driver. |
| 03:59.47 | ihavenoskills | cool thanks it worked, how ca I specify a dns server? |
| 03:59.54 | kevin^ | nav5: Sometimes, the manufacturers try a little too hard to hide what it "really is". |
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| 04:00.22 | kevin^ | ihavenoskills: /etc/resolv.conf is where the DNS server goes. |
| 04:00.23 | Debianlover | anibal: can you pls go to this website and tell me if my sources.list is ok now: |
| 04:00.28 | Debianlover | anibal: http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 04:00.32 | ihavenoskills | cool thanks |
| 04:00.36 | nav5 | kevin^: why would manufacturers try to hide that? |
| 04:00.41 | Debianlover | anibal: http://channels.debian.net/paste/628 |
| 04:01.16 | kevin^ | ihavenoskills: Note that the "ifconfig" is TEMPORARY. The config file for debian is /etc/network/interfaces. Change a config there, "ifup eth0", and it'll stick every reboot. |
| 04:01.23 | Debianlover | anibal: does my sources.list look ok now? |
| 04:01.28 | anibal | ihavenoskills, put 'search example.com' in the first line and then 'nameserver 1.2.3.4' in the second line of /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 04:03.07 | kevin^ | nav5: To make it look like "their" product, instead of Yet Another Rebranded RT8139 Clone |
| 04:03.28 | maher | Debianlover: that's fine - but you don't need sarge and stable lines - just one or the other will do |
| 04:03.44 | anibal | Debianlover, 'deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main', you don't need that one |
| 04:03.52 | Debianlover | maher: what lines do I need to remove? |
| 04:03.54 | GnomeDesktop1337 | yay limewire is installing time to download someanime |
| 04:04.13 | Debianlover | anibal: how come I dont need the updates one? |
| 04:04.19 | maher | Debianlover: decide whether you want sarge or stable in source.list and remove the other ones.... |
| 04:04.35 | maher | Debianlover: sarge will not change much ever - stable will eventually become the new stable |
| 04:04.36 | Debianlover | maher: im using Sarge Debian 3.1 |
| 04:04.38 | anibal | Debianlover, it's already in 'deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 04:04.43 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Hows the devlopment of sid going? |
| 04:04.45 | ihavenoskills | kevin^: ok, do I have to restart anything? |
| 04:04.48 | Debianlover | maher: I thought sarge was stable |
| 04:04.58 | Debianlover | anibal: ok |
| 04:04.59 | GnomeDesktop1337 | sarge will always be testing |
| 04:05.07 | kevin^ | nav5: Generally, there are a few companies that make the chips that do things, but they don't want the hassle of retail sales, so they sell to a bunch of companies that manufacture printed circuit boards and sell "products". The chip makers really *don't* want support calls, so they want the so-called Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) to out their (the OEM's) name on everything. |
| 04:05.11 | GnomeDesktop1337 | i think |
| 04:05.20 | maher | Debianlover: sarge is stable now, and etch is testing - at some point etch will be released as the new stable |
| 04:05.21 | Debianlover | anibal: is that all I need to remove? 'deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main'? |
| 04:05.28 | kevin^ | ihavenoskills: After editing /etc/resolv.conf? You shouldn't have to. |
| 04:05.38 | Debianlover | maher: ok |
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| 04:06.03 | GnomeDesktop1337 | Yeah that java installer din't work at all is there a deb file for it? |
| 04:06.13 | maher | Debianlover: so if you have stable in source.list at some point you will upgrade to etch - its probably best to have sarge, so that you have to make a manual change to upgrade to the next stable |
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| 04:06.26 | maher | GnomeDesktop1337: try java-package |
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| 04:06.45 | Debianlover | maher: ok |
| 04:06.50 | anibal | Debianlover, I've found mirror.optus.net very reliable, so I will comment out http.us.debian.org |
| 04:06.59 | tuv | i needed to use --force-depends to install a package, but then apt wouldn't do any further tasks until that package is uninstalled! how could i resolve this while keeping the forced package? |
| 04:07.14 | Debianlover | anibal: can you paste your sources.list for me then? |
| 04:07.27 | ihavenoskills | kevin^: so if I have the right address I should be able to resolve addresses right |
| 04:07.27 | Debianlover | anibal: I will just use the same as yours |
| 04:07.43 | maher | tuv: --force-depends breaks things |
| 04:07.58 | nav5 | kevin^: thank you, that was very informative. |
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| 04:08.04 | tuv | maher: well, i needed that package and it is working perfectly |
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| 04:09.29 | kevin^ | tuv: Basically, you need to Solve The Problem of the dependency conflict. IF you're 100% dead certain that the maintainer screwed up and the dependency is wrong, you can just go and edit /var/lib/dpkg/status directly and insert the *right* dependency info. But WARNING: that is the MASTER dpkg status file. You can SEVERELY FUCK your system by messing with it. |
| 04:09.48 | GnomeDesktop1337 | What sources do I add if i want sid? |
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| 04:10.14 | anibal | Debianlover: |
| 04:10.16 | anibal | deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main |
| 04:10.16 | anibal | deb-src http://security.debian.org stable/updates main |
| 04:10.16 | anibal | deb http://mirror.optus.net/debian stable main |
| 04:10.16 | anibal | deb-src http://mirror.optus.net/debian stable main |
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| 04:10.28 | november | what's the equalivant of rc.local in debian |
| 04:10.31 | kevin^ | There are ways to make a "dependency filler" fake package that are much safer, but they're longer and I forget the details just ATM. |
| 04:10.35 | dondelelcaro | kevin^: you should never, ever need to modify the status file directly; just fix the packages. |
| 04:10.41 | GnomeDesktop1337 | don't i just replace stable with sid? |
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| 04:10.43 | dondelelcaro | kevin^: if necessary, use equivs. |
| 04:10.47 | kevin^ | november: /etc/init.d/<whatever>. |
| 04:10.58 | november | kevin^: just amke it? |
| 04:11.00 | november | make |
| 04:11.02 | anibal | sorry for the flood |
| 04:11.10 | ihavenoskills | how can I remove a network interface? |
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| 04:11.24 | dondelelcaro | anibal: best to use the paster bot for that sort of thing: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 04:11.38 | kevin^ | november: I use the file-rc package, which puts all the config in /etc/runlevel.conf, and I like a *lot* better than that Twisty little maze of symlinks which is the original SysV scheme. |
| 04:11.40 | anibal | dondelelcaro, will do :) |
| 04:11.51 | debianrules | anibal: is that all you have in your sources.list? those 4 lines? |
| 04:11.59 | GnomeDesktop1337 | kevin^: I am editing my sources to i replace testing with the word unstable? |
| 04:12.00 | maher | ihavenoskills: if you only have one ethernet card and simple needs, try installing etherconf and doing dpkg-reconfigure etherconf |
| 04:12.01 | kevin^ | ihavenoskills: What do you mean by "remove"? Physically unplug? |
| 04:12.04 | anibal | debianrules, yep |
| 04:12.04 | november | kevin^: i just want some small things to run on startup like Xscreensaver |
| 04:12.08 | b3nw | if I install mysql-server via apt-get why does it want me to install xim4 along with it as "extra packages" ?? |
| 04:12.14 | november | where should i put those commands |
| 04:12.27 | debianrules | anibal: ok |
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| 04:12.53 | anibal | debianrules, I'm in Melbourne, are in Sydney? |
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| 04:12.54 | ihavenoskills | kevin^: I mean like disable, right now there is eth0 and eth1, just trying to troubleshoot, I can't resolve anything right now |
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| 04:13.08 | maher | ihavenoskills: ifdown ethN |
| 04:13.16 | kevin^ | november: For X stuff, hooking into the /etc/X11/Xsession system is probably much better than /etc/init.d. |
| 04:13.24 | debianrules | anibal: and you find you only need those 4 lines to keep Sarge update with security updates etc? |
| 04:13.28 | cleit0n | hi how do i resize one reiserfs partition with files |
| 04:13.33 | november | kevin^: thanks bro |
| 04:13.39 | anibal | debianrules, yep |
| 04:13.44 | debianrules | anibal: Sydney, yes |
| 04:13.51 | debianrules | anibal: great |
| 04:13.57 | GnomeDesktop1337 | I am editing my sources.list and are looking to upgrade to sid... do i change "testing" to "unstable"? |
| 04:13.58 | bob2 | cleit0n: is that possible at all? |
| 04:14.22 | GnomeDesktop1337 | It's possible but not a cakewalk |
| 04:14.48 | cleit0n | bob2: dont understand, this is yes or not possible? |
| 04:14.50 | bob2 | if you have to ask, keep using testing |
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| 04:15.06 | kevin^ | GnomeDesktop1337: Yup, that's it. |
| 04:15.07 | GnomeDesktop1337 | have to resize the filesystem then resize the partitions man resize_reiserfs |
| 04:15.13 | anibal | GnomeDesktop1337, at the moment we are going throu a number of trnasitions in did, we aware, I recommend you to follow the debian-devel list |
| 04:15.23 | debianrules | anibal: how is melbourne? |
| 04:15.29 | anibal | s/in did/insid/ |
| 04:15.35 | b3nw | if I install mysql-server via apt-get why does it want me to install xim4 along with it as "extra packages" ?? |
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| 04:15.43 | gravity | debian-devel-announce would be a better choice |
| 04:15.53 | kevin^ | GnomeDesktop1337: However, this weel is not a particularly good time to move to sid. Pn particular, expect to put *all* of KDE on hold. |
| 04:16.06 | tuv | kevin^: thanks again.. that did the trick.. i'm happy now :) |
| 04:16.07 | anibal | debianrules, it's sunny today, it'll be cold at night :) |
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| 04:16.37 | cleit0n | bob2: i need help with one package to parted one resiserfs patition |
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| 04:16.46 | maher | b3nw: do you mean exim4? |
| 04:16.53 | b3nw | yessir |
| 04:17.14 | GnomeDesktop1337 | KDE?! take one look at me |
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| 04:17.39 | b3nw | it wants to do exim4 exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light mailx |
| 04:17.44 | b3nw | and I just want mysql-server |
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| 04:17.49 | b3nw | sarge stable |
| 04:17.52 | debianrules | anibal: :) |
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| 04:18.05 | anibal | b3nw, the system needs a way to get mail out, and that's the default package |
| 04:18.18 | debianrules | anibal: btw, how can I eject a CD from the cd drive? :P I cant seem to eject the silly thing :P keeps telling me it cant eject it |
| 04:18.32 | maher | b3nw: it probably depends on mailx, which depends on an mta - do you have an mta installed? |
| 04:18.34 | anibal | debianrules, with the eject command |
| 04:18.38 | b3nw | sec |
| 04:18.50 | b3nw | mta stands for? |
| 04:18.59 | maher | debianrules: unmount the cd if its mounted |
| 04:19.06 | anibal | b3nw, mail transfer agent |
| 04:19.11 | debianrules | anibal: I right click on CD and chose umount and then eject! But it says it cant eject |
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| 04:19.13 | maher | b3nw: mail-transport-agent |
| 04:19.16 | GnomeDesktop1337 | uhh im getting sick ill upgrade later see ya |
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| 04:19.38 | anibal | b3nw, sorry, as maher said |
| 04:19.40 | b3nw | i see, I understand now, thanks for your time :) |
| 04:19.41 | debianrules | maher: im using konqueror and I right click on CD and chose umount and then eject! But it says it cant eject |
| 04:20.04 | maher | debianrules: try typing eject in a terminal, try as root if ejecting as a user doesn't work |
| 04:20.09 | cleit0n | hi how do i resize one reiserfs partition with files |
| 04:20.23 | Shorty` | ask it nicely |
| 04:20.24 | debianrules | maher: ok |
| 04:20.50 | debianrules | maher: it said: umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy |
| 04:21.20 | debianrules | maher: ah it worked now |
| 04:21.28 | november | crap, my .xsession is +x but it still doesnt load when fluxbox loads |
| 04:21.32 | debianrules | well that was easy, just tye eject :) |
| 04:21.39 | november | i have gdm launch fluxbox |
| 04:21.44 | rking | november: you shouldn't have to have it +x, fwiw |
| 04:21.49 | november | oh |
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| 04:22.15 | rking | november: i can't think of why it wouldn't run, though. do you see anything in ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 04:22.23 | november | lemme check |
| 04:23.01 | november | yeah theres some errors in there |
| 04:23.07 | november | but nothing from the stuff im loading |
| 04:23.38 | november | Failed to load groupfile: |
| 04:23.38 | november | apps file failure |
| 04:23.54 | november | BScreen::BScreen: managing screen 0 using visual 0x21, depth 24 |
| 04:23.54 | november | /bin/sh: xv: command not found |
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| 04:25.33 | november | im really confused |
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| 04:26.42 | cleit0n | hi how do i resize one reiserfs partition |
| 04:28.40 | anibal | debianrules, fuser will tell you what's using the cd-rom, see 'man fuser' |
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| 04:30.17 | debianrules | anibal: ok ty |
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| 04:34.40 | debianrules | wow, this Debian Sarge is great! I love it. :) Wish I had have tried it years ago |
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| 04:35.03 | zinx | debianrules: you don't, really ;) |
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| 04:35.15 | rking | Sarge: hrm... no, you don't - 2 years ago it was like... Etch is now. =) |
| 04:35.16 | Sarge | zinx: yes I do, really ;) |
| 04:35.18 | zinx | debianrules: it only recently became the 'stable' distro ;) |
| 04:35.27 | Sarge | rking: ah ok I get it |
| 04:35.42 | Sarge | maybe years ago it would have been too hard for me to work it |
| 04:35.45 | anibal | Sarge, consider visisting #debian-women |
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| 04:35.59 | opiated | hi. I am having trouble getting sound to work on a user, it works under root. I did add the user account to the audio group, but I still get the message about sound server not initialized not enough permissions. what other groups do I need to add the user to? or is there something else I need to do? |
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| 04:36.03 | Sarge | im seking a new good nick related to Sarge :) any ideas? :) |
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| 04:36.24 | Egras | ;) |
| 04:36.31 | anibal | Sarge, at irc.otc.net |
| 04:36.45 | anibal | Sarge, at irc.oftc.net |
| 04:36.47 | Sarge | anibal: ok |
| 04:37.14 | maher | Egras: did you log out and back in? |
| 04:37.24 | Egras | maher yes |
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| 04:37.51 | rking | Egras: what "sound server" are you using, and what program are you using to test it? |
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| 04:38.22 | Egras | basically kde-core is installed, so arts is running. under root sound is good, but under user account I get the permissions error |
| 04:38.47 | maher | Egras: strace what ever is giving the error and see where it gets stuck |
| 04:39.31 | Egras | great |
| 04:39.36 | Egras | now i gotta read the strace man |
| 04:39.39 | Egras | damn you ;) |
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| 04:42.18 | Sarge | how do you dial out using kppp from gnome? |
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| 04:45.00 | b3nw | is there no openssl-dev package? |
| 04:45.05 | tale | start kppp and use it as usual? |
| 04:45.09 | dondelelcaro | Sarge: you should be able to run kppp in gnome. |
| 04:45.44 | Sarge | dondelelcaro: i cant see it when I was in gnome! and when I typed in shell, it said unknown command or something |
| 04:45.45 | november | whats the best way to encrypt say, /home in debian |
| 04:46.35 | Sarge | november: I use gpg |
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| 04:46.56 | maher | november: http://deb.riseup.net/storage/encryption/dmcrypt/ |
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| 04:47.15 | november | maher: im reading that right now |
| 04:47.16 | egras | maher, I had only retarted X at that time, I logged in the system again and i have sound now |
| 04:47.18 | egras | thank you |
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| 04:47.25 | november | didnt know if it was the best or not |
| 04:47.27 | november | thanks though |
| 04:47.33 | tale | Sarge, Look up in KDE menu what command is started when you click kppp, and start same command in Gnome. |
| 04:47.35 | litage | which quota tool(s) use the usrquota and grpquota options in /etc/fstab? |
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| 04:47.47 | maher | egras: yeah - its annoying - changing group info needs a full log out and back in... |
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| 04:49.43 | Sarge | tale: ok |
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| 04:50.23 | Sarge | tale: the command kppp is started in kde. |
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| 04:52.42 | walaoa | is it advisable to switch from xfree86 to x.org now? |
| 04:53.00 | Sarge | walaoa: whats the difference between those? |
| 04:54.27 | chealer | walaoa, hardly |
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| 04:54.32 | dondelelcaro | walaoa: if you're running unstable, you can; if you're running anything else, there's really no reason if your X server is working. |
| 04:54.44 | Sarge | longHair: get a hair cut ;) |
| 04:54.57 | longHair | I already did |
| 04:55.14 | Sarge | longHair: heh |
| 04:55.18 | walaoa | Sarge: not much that i know of technically. xfree86 is not supported (may not be the right word) by debian anymore. that's why there is x.org. am i right, those gurus out there? |
| 04:55.34 | Sarge | walaoa: ok |
| 04:56.15 | chealer | walaoa, there are no gurus in this channel |
| 04:56.18 | walaoa | Sarge: are u new to debian? |
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| 04:56.31 | chealer | walaoa, xfree86 is still supported by debian |
| 04:56.51 | chealer | however debian isn't packaging new upstream version |
| 04:56.58 | walaoa | chealer, stopped at the last version, right? |
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| 04:57.07 | litage | how can i determine which programs use /var/tmp? |
| 04:57.16 | chealer | walaoa, no, it stopped at 4.3.0 |
| 04:57.24 | Manoj_ | walaoa, Sid has transitioned to X.org; and it is going to transition to the modular X.org tree shortly |
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| 04:58.02 | Manoj_ | walaoa, X.org has support for newer display cards, and has some cutesy tings like translucency support, and so on. |
| 04:58.16 | walaoa | wow, before i can catch up with x.org, there is modular x.org tree. |
| 04:58.30 | Manoj_ | litage, lsof shows what programs are using a specific dir |
| 04:58.34 | jeffrin | Manoj_ : are you a debian developer |
| 04:58.50 | litage | Manoj_: rather than determining if a particular program uses /var/tmp, i'm interested in finding all programs that use it |
| 04:58.53 | Manoj_ | jeffrin, why do you ask? :) |
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| 04:59.28 | Manoj_ | litage, lsof should be what you are looking for -- it gives you all programs currently using any specified dir |
| 04:59.36 | jeffrin | Manoj_ : atleast i just wanted to if you are Manoj Srivastava |
| 04:59.45 | Manoj_ | jeffrin, well, yes |
| 04:59.54 | Manoj_ | jeffrin, my whois should say so |
| 04:59.58 | litage | Manoj_: yup, but all progs aren't currently running =/ |
| 05:00.00 | anibal | litage, 'fuser -v /var/tmp' |
| 05:00.18 | Manoj_ | litage, err, that is almost impossible to know |
| 05:00.22 | litage | thanks Manoj_ and anibal |
| 05:00.37 | Sarge | walaoa: yes new |
| 05:00.46 | litage | Manoj_: heh yeah well "all" is impossible, so i guess i need to do some digging to find as many as possible |
| 05:00.58 | Manoj_ | anibal, even fuser only gives current programs (like, it can't know that in 30 seconds I am gonna say emacs /var/tmp/foo) |
| 05:01.02 | Sarge | walaoa: and you? |
| 05:01.03 | walaoa | Sarge: sure takes u a long time to determine that. |
| 05:01.11 | jeffrin | Manoj_ : iam planning to start a FLOSS related company |
| 05:01.29 | Sarge | walaoa: i was away for 2mins |
| 05:01.38 | walaoa | Sarge: i am neither old nor new to debian. |
| 05:01.45 | Sarge | walaoa: had an upgrade issue |
| 05:02.44 | walaoa | Sarge: bring it out, that's the purpose of this venue. |
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| 05:03.08 | Sarge | walaoa: ok |
| 05:03.22 | jeffrin | Manoj_ : are you there |
| 05:03.30 | Sarge | walaoa: after 1 hour ofdownliading it said: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/m/mozilla/mozilla-browser_1.7.8-1sarge1_i386.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) |
| 05:03.32 | walaoa | Sarge: what's ok? |
| 05:03.39 | Sarge | walaoa: E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 05:04.01 | Sarge | walaoa: seems I have to start again |
| 05:04.21 | november | what should i change to make gdm stop running on boot |
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| 05:04.36 | Sarge | walaoa: I typed "apt-get -u upgrade" |
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| 05:04.52 | anibal | Manoj_, lsof is a better answer to litage's question |
| 05:04.58 | maher | november: remove gdm or use update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 05:05.18 | anibal | Sarge, use lsof instead fo fuser |
| 05:05.28 | november | thanks man |
| 05:05.40 | walaoa | Sarge: try update before upgrade. |
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| 05:05.44 | Sarge | anibal: whats lsof? |
| 05:05.59 | Sarge | walaoa: I typed apt-get update first |
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| 05:06.05 | anibal | Sarge, lsof - list open files |
| 05:06.15 | Sarge | walaoa: I changed my sources.list and will try again |
| 05:06.21 | Sarge | anibal: ok |
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| 05:09.08 | tuxj | hi all |
| 05:09.33 | tuxj | anybody program video game3d in linux |
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| 05:11.14 | bonez39 | running mutt on my debian 3.1 system...can't get it to see my mail directory...any mutt/debian gurus here? |
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| 05:11.38 | tale | bonez39, What is your mail directory? |
| 05:12.11 | dondelelcaro | bonez39: mutt -f /path/to/mail/directory; should work; if that does, then you'll need to fix your .muttrc. |
| 05:12.45 | bonez39 | tale, for mutt...I was running debian 3.0 on an older hdd on my linux system..and that worked fine, but now....I run 3.1 on new hard drive..and can't find the mail directory on old drive...to link to..to get incoming mutt email |
| 05:13.08 | bonez39 | dondelelcaro, that's what I needed....mutt loads..but I'll check paths in .muttrc..thank YOU... |
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| 05:15.02 | dondelelcaro | bonez39: right, most likely you've got set folder set wrongly; (or set spoolfile or similar) set wrongly |
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| 05:17.47 | SlayerXP | good morning, fellow moonclocks |
| 05:18.35 | drac | Is there an way to increase max. amount of loop devices allowed to be used at same time (and kernel parameter is not option) |
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| 05:19.15 | bonez39 | dondelelcaro, one more question. any easy way to find one's mail folder? so many mail and maildir etc..folders... |
| 05:19.19 | bonez39 | on old hard drive |
| 05:19.50 | maher | bonez39: doesn't mutt normally use Mail? |
| 05:19.56 | dondelelcaro | bonez39: well, that really depends on what you were doing; there's no simple way, but if you were sane, it's usually /var/spool/mail or ~/Mail/ |
| 05:20.31 | SlayerXP | if you were sane then it's all in /var/spool/cyrus/mail :) |
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| 05:23.08 | john | may i post an error in here, of a friend of mine? |
| 05:23.25 | dondelelcaro | john: use the paster bot to do so |
| 05:23.30 | dondelelcaro | !tell john -about paster |
| 05:23.53 | SlayerXP | john: an error message is useless without context. try asking a well formed question instead. |
| 05:24.04 | SlayerXP | on one line. |
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| 05:25.08 | john | SlayerXP: Well, it's not my problem. I'm just trying to help a friend. So, the only thing I have to base these questions off of would be his error messages. :/ |
| 05:25.31 | ke6isf | john: Well, where's your friend? And more importantly, what's he running? |
| 05:25.44 | SlayerXP | john: then we will almost certainly have insufficient information to be able to help you. |
| 05:25.47 | Sarge | ke6isf: hello |
| 05:25.53 | ke6isf | Hello, Sarge |
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| 05:26.58 | Sarge | ke6isf: after 7 hours and over 35 wasted calls that hang up my modem after 1 second, I finally got connected using sarge |
| 05:27.20 | Sarge | ke6isf: all i needed to have done was change auth to noath in /etc/ppp/options :P |
| 05:27.20 | SlayerXP | "my friend is using foobarapp. where he starts foobarappd the following error message appears in the syslog: <error message>. I've checked the BTS, and googled for the error message but I've not found anything conclusive. Please assist me if you can." |
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| 05:27.41 | cat | lol |
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| 05:28.11 | Bac9 | is there an easy way to get bash to return number in hex? |
| 05:28.24 | SlayerXP | Bac9: echo oxFF |
| 05:28.25 | ke6isf | Sarge: Congratulations, you win a kewpie doll. |
| 05:28.40 | SlayerXP | 0x even |
| 05:28.46 | maher | SlayerXP: use fubarapp instead |
| 05:28.55 | jm_ | Bac9: you can use bc, or printf or ... |
| 05:29.27 | Bac9 | SlayerXP, jm_: for something like $((2<<8)) how to het answer in hex? |
| 05:29.48 | Sarge | ke6isf: lol |
| 05:29.49 | john | Okay |
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| 05:30.07 | Sarge | Boran__: hello |
| 05:30.21 | Sarge | ArtistAgent: wb |
| 05:30.35 | ArtistAgent | ty sarge |
| 05:30.41 | ArtistAgent | great to be back |
| 05:31.07 | lightvision | ArtistAgent: :) |
| 05:31.09 | ke6isf | Woo, time to be paying rent on time again. |
| 05:32.13 | john | My friend is running Debian. He uses the "testing" release, codenamed "etch". When he tries to use apt-get update, or apt-get install <packagenameHERE>, he gets an error, which can be viewed by clickinghttp://channels.debian.net/paste/629 <-- that link. I have NOT checked the BTS, but I have checked google for the error message, and have not came up with anything helpful. I am probably searching wrong. One thing I noticed on a google search is somebody posting |
| 05:32.13 | john | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:33.43 | jm_ | fix the postinst script and re-run configure phase |
| 05:33.48 | jm_ | john ^^^^^ |
| 05:33.55 | SlayerXP | john: confirm if the same bug is already reported to the BTS. If it is either wait or submit a dupe. alternatively, fix the postinst script. |
| 05:34.02 | jm_ | he should not use testing/unstable if he can't fix such trivial problems himself |
| 05:34.09 | jm_ | go to BTS and check bugs for this package |
| 05:34.26 | john | Well, hence why I use Sarge now :/ |
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| 05:35.16 | LightVision | john: u liking sarge? |
| 05:35.32 | john | Yes :P |
| 05:35.52 | deadcat | whats +E ? |
| 05:36.06 | jim | john: have you read the bug report that you yourself found before asking a person whether the bug report you found really exists? |
| 05:36.07 | SlayerXP | deadcat: E=mc^2 |
| 05:36.07 | streuner | deadcat: nothing you should care of |
| 05:36.09 | john | to stop unregistered nicks from pming you i believe |
| 05:36.19 | streuner | deadcat: /msg dpkg mode e |
| 05:36.23 | jim | (what a convoluted question I just asked...) |
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| 05:36.39 | deadcat | streuner: ok. |
| 05:36.45 | SlayerXP | dpkg, how not to get help is Hi! I'm going to ask you something completely unspecific, featuring an error message I've made up about an application that 'a friend of mine' is trying to get working with little success. I'm going to be vague, I'm going to evade all attempts to get me to describe the actual problem. I'll expect you to drop everything and help as you really have nothing better to do. |
| 05:36.46 | dpkg | SlayerXP: I think you lost me on that one |
| 05:36.54 | streuner | deadcat: freenode has it now by default... |
| 05:37.02 | SlayerXP | dpkg: that's because you're utterly useless. |
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| 05:37.15 | jim | HE-llo! |
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| 05:37.27 | deadcat | streuner: cool. i turned off irssi for like 2 days because of all those spams. |
| 05:37.49 | streuner | dpkg, nospambots |
| 05:37.50 | dpkg | from memory, nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds |
| 05:38.29 | bonez39 | dondelelcaro, ok, I found my old mail directory at /var/scott/mail and I can use mutt with -f to open it...and can send out, but the test mail to myself, never returns to that folder or to the new one...... |
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| 05:38.40 | jim | john: I notice you're not responding... |
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| 05:39.30 | john | jim: Have I read what bug report that I "found" ? |
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| 05:39.59 | jim | let's see, what exactly did you say... |
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| 05:40.15 | SlayerXP | " One thing I noticed on a google search is somebody posting |
| 05:40.15 | SlayerXP | <john> that this error message DOES show up in the BTS. But I have yet to confirm that. Please assist me if you can." |
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| 05:40.51 | SlayerXP | logic suggests that your next course of action is to confirm it. |
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| 05:40.56 | jim | One thing I noticed on a google search is somebody posting that this error message DOES show up in the BTS. But I have yet to confirm that. Please assist me if you can. |
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| 05:41.09 | SlayerXP | whilst remebering to breath in an out at approximately 5 second intervals. |
| 05:41.23 | SlayerXP | s/an/and/ |
| 05:41.32 | bobby | how does one (if they deleted the main folder of a application) get apt to replace all the missing files? |
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| 05:42.03 | jm_ | reinstall it, unless you deleted config files, in which case do "/msg dpkg confmiss" |
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| 05:42.29 | jim | so, ok. what you can do is try bugs.debian.org and find their search user interface and paste the error message there... if the poster is right, you'll come up with a bug report |
| 05:42.39 | bobby | jm_, I did reinstall though it is still missing several files (I had the conf backed up) |
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| 05:43.03 | jim | you could remove and install |
| 05:43.05 | jm_ | bobby: it should replace non-config files without any problems |
| 05:43.12 | Coke | jim: search on the package name there and try to manually find similar/matching bugs. |
| 05:43.15 | bobby | will try again |
| 05:43.22 | jm_ | bobby: try removing it and then reinstall it |
| 05:43.36 | jim | john: <Coke> jim: search on the package name there and try to manually find similar/matching bugs. |
| 05:44.59 | Bac9 | is ther an easy way to get bash to output numbers in hex? |
| 05:44.59 | LightVision | msg dpkg sarge firefox |
| 05:45.29 | jm_ | Bac9: I have already told you how to do it |
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| 05:45.45 | ke6isf | Trepeat |
| 05:45.47 | ke6isf | oops |
| 05:45.49 | ke6isf | !repeat |
| 05:45.49 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 05:45.58 | Bac9 | jm_: you said printf, but that has no parameter for base, at least none that I found |
| 05:46.07 | jm_ | Bac9: printf supports %x |
| 05:46.39 | ke6isf | jm_: printf would work for csh, yesno? |
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| 05:47.31 | jm_ | ke6isf: sure, it's in /usr/bin (some shells have it built-in) |
| 05:47.36 | Bac9 | jm_: thanx, what manfile was that in? not printf |
| 05:47.40 | ke6isf | jm_: Hmm... |
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| 05:48.14 | john | jim: that's what i am doing. thank you ;p |
| 05:48.30 | jm_ | Bac9: man 3 printf |
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| 05:48.48 | Bac9 | jm_: o, k I just did man printf |
| 05:48.51 | Bac9 | jm_: thanx |
| 05:48.57 | jim | I met someone named phaedra... incredibly beautifus |
| 05:48.59 | jim | l |
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| 05:49.14 | jim | in a Luckys store |
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| 05:49.23 | phaedra | hmmm... Dunno if it's me... ;) |
| 05:49.43 | maher | phaedra: jsut say yes :) |
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| 05:49.50 | Coke | Wohoo, Bill Maher! |
| 05:49.55 | phaedra | Never been to lucky's tho'. |
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| 05:50.04 | maher | Coke: no i'm his evil and unfunny twin... |
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| 05:50.13 | Coke | you suck |
| 05:50.16 | Coke | he rules |
| 05:50.24 | Coke | ;) |
| 05:50.36 | Coke | !tell coke about enter |
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| 05:51.08 | jim | Coke: you can do that like this: /msg dpkg enter |
| 05:51.21 | jim | that way you DO NOT bother conversations in progress. |
| 05:51.46 | Coke | I wanted people to see that I told that Coke off real good |
| 05:52.15 | pepsi | Coke: you suck |
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| 05:52.26 | ke6isf | !tell coke -about msg the bot |
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| 05:53.10 | Coke | What, nobody has any sense of humor? |
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| 05:53.26 | Coke | It's FUNNY that I told myself not to use the enter key so much, it's FUNNY! |
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| 05:53.45 | ke6isf | Coke: We here in #debian have no sense of humor that we're aware of, sir. |
| 05:53.46 | maher | Coke: i laughed so much i was unable to type for several minutes.... |
| 05:54.06 | SlayerXP | i have a highly refined sense of humour |
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| 05:54.36 | jim | SlayerXP: so you're tryin to tell us you've heard it all and nothing suprises you or makes you laugh anymore? |
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| 05:55.09 | ke6isf | SlayerXP: Why is a cow? |
| 05:55.13 | Coke | I'll just stick to giving bad advice. |
| 05:55.26 | SlayerXP | jim: I'm more trying to tell you that there are a vast number of highly unfunny people in the world. many of whom genuinely don't know it. |
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| 05:56.14 | LightVision | whats the command to install Office? |
| 05:56.26 | LightVision | apt-get install office ? |
| 05:56.29 | SlayerXP | LightVision: apt-get install office |
| 05:56.33 | jim | Coke: but in so doing you put lots of lines in here, and maybe you thought it was funny... but if PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO WORK HERE, it comes off as annoying |
| 05:56.38 | LightVision | SlayerXP: ok thanks |
| 05:56.41 | ke6isf | LightVision: apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 05:56.47 | LightVision | ke6isf: thank you |
| 05:56.48 | Coke | jim: nobody WAS trying to work here. |
| 05:57.06 | ke6isf | LightVision: Minor pedantry, there is no packaged named 'office' in sarge. |
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| 05:57.44 | cat | bka |
| 05:57.55 | ke6isf | cat: Gesundheit. =^^= |
| 05:57.58 | jim | that does look true |
| 05:58.02 | LightVision | ke6isf: ok |
| 05:58.20 | LightVision | anyway, see you all tomorrow! ty to everyone that helped me get Sarge up and running today |
| 05:58.21 | LightVision | bye |
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| 05:58.39 | ke6isf | Heh, new convert. =^^= |
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| 05:59.59 | penny | hello? |
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| 06:00.14 | ke6isf | hello, penny |
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| 06:00.56 | penny | ke6isf, do you need a bit of penny? |
| 06:01.16 | ke6isf | penny: mu. |
| 06:01.28 | penny | ke6isf, hehe ^_^ |
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| 06:02.13 | SimonRaven | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/blog/categories/rants/NewOrleansandHurricaneKatrina.html?seemore=y # sorry for being OT, but i thought people might want to get more info. again, sorry |
| 06:02.24 | SimonRaven | i put some up as i get it |
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| 06:02.50 | kenboo | forbidden |
| 06:02.53 | hcy_ | hi can i get some help setting up proftpd please? debian sid system here. I did apt-get install proftpd. Now it's asking if I want it to run in inetd or as a stand-alone server. I don't expect very many connections so I'll choose inetd - is that okay? |
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| 06:03.19 | SimonRaven | kenboo: yeh. looking into that onw |
| 06:03.45 | maher | SimonRaven: worked for me |
| 06:03.51 | kenboo | got it |
| 06:04.13 | kenboo | probably because i used IE for the 1st access |
| 06:04.16 | kenboo | ;P |
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| 06:04.48 | SimonRaven | yeh, i have certain IE clients blocked. lookin into it |
| 06:04.48 | dondelelcaro | hcy_: sure, shouldn't make a big difference for few connections |
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| 06:04.58 | kenboo | heh |
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| 06:05.31 | penny | what's wrong with IE? |
| 06:05.32 | streuner | SimonRaven: weather changes.... |
| 06:05.46 | SimonRaven | sure |
| 06:05.51 | ke6isf | penny: It only runs in Windows. Actually, that's probably a good thing... |
| 06:05.51 | hcy_ | dondelelcaro: ok thanks, well I ran the apt-get install and at the end it said "adduser: The GID 65534 does not exist. ProFTPd is started from inetd/xinetd." Then gave me a new prompt. Now what? |
| 06:06.13 | penny | ke6isf, windows vista? |
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| 06:06.47 | penny | ke6isf, hehe watch your DRM(head) |
| 06:06.58 | ke6isf | penny: dunno, since I don't support Windows. |
| 06:08.42 | penny | If all games moved to linux/bsd, I will fire the windows right now. |
| 06:09.09 | deadcat | why is it that some screen(1) can display nonascii and some cant? i am using xterm. |
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| 06:09.23 | penny | games based on opengl <- very nice |
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| 06:09.51 | majnoon | gnea awake ?? |
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| 06:10.26 | Reilithion | penny: I'll drink to that |
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| 06:10.46 | penny | ~_~ |
| 06:10.47 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, _~ is sour face |
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| 06:10.52 | jim | penny: there's this one called crystal something that has an irc channel around here somewhere |
| 06:11.01 | fando | how do i keep apt from saving the debs on my system? |
| 06:11.10 | jim | you don't |
| 06:11.14 | deadcat | fando: apt-get clean |
| 06:11.15 | jim | but you can clean them |
| 06:11.16 | Reilithion | ^_^ |
| 06:11.20 | fando | oh, that'll do :) |
| 06:11.28 | Reilithion | jim: you mean crystalspace? |
| 06:11.36 | jim | yes that's the one |
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| 06:11.45 | penny | jim, what's that? |
| 06:11.48 | Reilithion | it needs a serious optimization overhaul |
| 06:11.55 | pygrammer | really stupid question: for 2.6.8, is udev in /etc/udev, etc., or is the old udev not in use any more? |
| 06:11.56 | Reilithion | it's pretty f***ing slow |
| 06:11.58 | jim | penny: crystalspace |
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| 06:12.34 | penny | jim, who is the operator? |
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| 06:13.24 | Reilithion | penny: if you'd like to play a game that'll run on linux and uses opengl, go to http://www.planeshift.it/ |
| 06:13.27 | jim | penny: I don't think so: |
| 06:13.29 | jim | * who :No such nick/channel |
| 06:13.40 | Reilithion | Planeshift uses the Crystalspace engine |
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| 06:13.47 | Reilithion | It's pretty interesting |
| 06:13.48 | jim | that's right |
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| 06:14.02 | jim | crystal space is a toolkit/engine |
| 06:14.03 | dondelelcaro | ah, good... glad that more people are using CS |
| 06:14.03 | Reilithion | But, again, it ran pretty slowly when I played it. |
| 06:14.07 | jim | planeshift is a game |
| 06:14.12 | ormvegr | i downloaded planeshift and it wouldn't let me connect |
| 06:14.22 | penny | Reilithion, I want the game "CS" alike... |
| 06:14.23 | jm_ | I would prefer TORCS :) |
| 06:14.25 | jim | you have to have the exact right version |
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| 06:14.33 | ormvegr | because the linux client is older |
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| 06:14.42 | jim | wha'ts a tork? |
| 06:14.57 | ormvegr | im not sure where i could get an updated linux client |
| 06:15.14 | jim | I guess you'd have to build it |
| 06:15.16 | jim | well maybe |
| 06:15.23 | Reilithion | A turk from New York? |
| 06:15.53 | jm_ | !+torcs |
| 06:15.53 | dpkg | TORCS - The Open Racing Car Simulator. TORCS is a 3D racing cars simulator using OpenGL. http://torcs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:16.05 | jim | any good? |
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| 06:16.34 | Epix | Hey. Can anyone recomend some free console-only games? I would expecally like a multiplayer one. Any suggestions? |
| 06:16.52 | dondelelcaro | Epix: I'd start with the classics, like nethack |
| 06:16.53 | majnoon | STILL no luck on chroot install ::( |
| 06:17.08 | Reilithion | jm_: oh, racing cars. Let's see if we can come up with a more /original/ idea for a game. Like a cartoonish character moving constantly to the right and jumping on mushrooms with frowny faces. |
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| 06:17.10 | majnoon | i get this |
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| 06:17.17 | dondelelcaro | majnoon: eh? just mount up everything, run debootstrap; chroot; finish install, and away you go. |
| 06:17.17 | Epix | dondelelcaro: oh, i play nethack. its getting old now though |
| 06:17.23 | sep | majnoon, atlest your persistant :) |
| 06:17.25 | majnoon | root@box:/# /usr/sbin/base-config new |
| 06:17.25 | majnoon | Terminated |
| 06:17.35 | majnoon | that ALL i get |
| 06:17.43 | dondelelcaro | you don't really need to run base-config... |
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| 06:18.00 | jim | did you run debootstrap? |
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| 06:18.14 | majnoon | yup in the chroot now |
| 06:18.15 | jm_ | Reilithion: as if planeshift is original |
| 06:18.23 | psychonate | hmm, seems kind of strange that xine-ui isn't in the deb repositories |
| 06:18.37 | majnoon | using directions at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
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| 06:18.48 | Reilithion | jm_: I never said it was. Personally, I'd like to see Thief for Linux. ;) |
| 06:18.49 | jim | cmon, games are games... it's not easy to come up with an original idea for one |
| 06:18.52 | jm_ | someone had the same problem with base-config a few weeks ago, it was related to not being able to open ptys |
| 06:19.11 | majnoon | what i do with that ?? |
| 06:19.18 | jim | (the authors aren't here, so it's arguably off-topic to insult them in their absense :P ) |
| 06:19.24 | majnoon | nothing about pty's in page |
| 06:19.52 | majnoon | ::(:( |
| 06:20.16 | jm_ | he said script failed for him, looks like you have a problem with /dev/pts in chroot |
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| 06:20.43 | majnoon | me doing a google on it now |
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| 06:20.59 | Reilithion | me Reilithion. You Jane. |
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| 06:22.03 | litage | what does the "_2.6.11-7" mean in kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp_2.6.11-7_i386.deb? |
| 06:22.19 | nadjyla | for amd i think |
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| 06:22.32 | Epix | dondelelcaro: any other good ones? |
| 06:22.32 | twobitsprite | I have an HP laptop, and when I installed Sarge, I went with a base install... everythin works fine, but when I went to install the kernal-image-2.6.8... package and restart, my keyboard is no longer recognized and I can't type anything... |
| 06:22.55 | ke6isf | !tell twobitsprite -about laptop |
| 06:23.08 | mo1991 | do I need to add users specifically for nessus? When I start nessusd and then try to log in as my normal user it says login failed? Any help? |
| 06:23.18 | majnoon | how many ptys me need ?? |
| 06:23.31 | jm_ | nadjyla: it's obviously a package version |
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| 06:24.47 | calyth | is there a way to find out precisely whether a particular network card is running at 100MBps for a debian on 2.4 kernel? |
| 06:24.59 | calyth | s/MBps/Mbps/ |
| 06:25.32 | dabaR | is there a command in apt-get to search for broken packages? |
| 06:25.41 | jm_ | calyth: use mii-diag or ethtool, depending on what your driver supports, or da simple test |
| 06:25.46 | streuner | dabaR: heh? |
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| 06:25.55 | jm_ | da=do a |
| 06:25.59 | streuner | dabaR: why do you want to search for? |
| 06:26.00 | calyth | jm_: I have precious little space to do a test |
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| 06:26.02 | dabaR | onmy system. |
| 06:26.04 | calyth | but thank for the hint |
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| 06:26.13 | jm_ | calyth: space? why would you need any space for it? |
| 06:26.14 | twobitsprite | ke6isf: I've read all of those on my laptop, none of them talk about keyboard problems... |
| 06:26.27 | dabaR | I think in synaptic there is a broken ccategory |
| 06:26.30 | tengulre | Hi,all |
| 06:26.42 | calyth | jm_: well I was thinking of creating a file and time it... |
| 06:26.51 | jm_ | calyth: there's no need to do that |
| 06:27.07 | streuner | dabaR: sid? |
| 06:27.14 | calyth | jm_: oh? |
| 06:27.27 | ke6isf | twobitsprite: There was also something on the list today about issues with the 2.6.8-2-686 kernel-image package being borked for 2.6.8-16. I s taht what you downloaded? |
| 06:27.30 | dabaR | I installed fluxbox, and now I am getting this error whatever I try to open X wise... http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1810 |
| 06:27.32 | jm_ | calyth: ever heard of zero and null device files? |
| 06:27.38 | calyth | jm_: yeah |
| 06:27.47 | dabaR | streuner: its not even debian, but my apt-get is the same... |
| 06:27.50 | jm_ | calyth: ok, so use them with nc, pretty simple |
| 06:28.07 | calyth | oh. ok |
| 06:28.09 | twobitsprite | ke6isf: I installed the "kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686" package from the Sarge CD... |
| 06:28.10 | ke6isf | !ubuntusmite dabaR |
| 06:28.16 | streuner | dabaR: if you running ubuntu - /j #ubuntu |
| 06:28.23 | dabaR | ke6isf: nono, apt-get question should be fine. |
| 06:28.25 | dabaR | but, ok |
| 06:28.35 | ke6isf | twobitsprite: apt-cache show 2.6.8-2-686 - is it showing 2.6.8-16? |
| 06:28.41 | ke6isf | dabaR: This is #debian, not #apt-get. |
| 06:29.18 | ormvegr | i guess they have an updated linux binary now on planeshift |
| 06:29.20 | ke6isf | dabaR: Ubuntu is *not* Debian. |
| 06:29.26 | twobitsprite | ke6isf: unable to locate package... |
| 06:29.43 | mo1991 | when I use the nessus-adduser command and it asks me for pass/cert, it keeps asking over and over - does ny1 know why this is? |
| 06:29.50 | ke6isf | twobitsprite: My bad. Try 'kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686' for the package name. =O.o= |
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| 06:30.07 | majnoon | STILL no luck finding pty info for chroot install |
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| 06:30.46 | majnoon | '/topic |
| 06:30.57 | dabaR | notice the last two sentences of the based on debian factoid. |
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| 06:31.19 | ke6isf | dabaR: You're running Ubuntu, right? Well, Ubuntu is NOT Debian. |
| 06:31.21 | ke6isf | missed. |
| 06:31.45 | twobitsprite | ke6isf: just shows 2.6.8-2 |
| 06:31.52 | penny | majnoon, hehe |
| 06:31.52 | twobitsprite | ke6isf: er... |
| 06:31.56 | ke6isf | twobitsprite: Version field. |
| 06:32.27 | twobitsprite | ke6isf: yep... 2.6.8-16 |
| 06:32.41 | majnoon | gnea had a different site for chroot install |
| 06:32.45 | ke6isf | twobitsprite: Lemme double check the thread on the mailing list. |
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| 06:32.57 | deadcat | hmm. my cursor in xterm is slow.. like going down with vim. |
| 06:33.04 | majnoon | but he went sleepy sleep |
| 06:33.10 | streuner | dabaR: well, you got a #debian answer.... |
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| 06:33.20 | ke6isf | streuner: You missed. |
| 06:33.31 | ke6isf | !coffee streuner |
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| 06:34.06 | streuner | ke6isf: wtf? |
| 06:34.13 | ke6isf | twobitsprite: OK, I could be mistaken. The one on the list was something to do with iptables. |
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| 06:34.36 | ke6isf | streuner: New command for dpkg. |
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| 06:34.49 | twobitsprite | ke6isf: so, nothing about HP laptop keyboards...? |
| 06:34.56 | deadcat | must be the xorg-6 and the new xterm i upgraded. (= |
| 06:34.56 | ke6isf | twobitsprite: Nope. |
| 06:35.07 | SimonRaven | hmm, need smokes, updates will come a bit later. i've added more posts, links, updates, quotes, etc. |
| 06:35.15 | SimonRaven | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/blog/categories/rants/NewOrleansandHurricaneKatrina.html?seemore=y |
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| 06:35.47 | twobitsprite | ke6isf: damn... well thanks for being helpful at least instead of just assuming that I'm some dumb jerk... |
| 06:35.57 | ke6isf | There was a post on the users list about 2.6.8-16 being borken in Sarge, something about iptables. Any kernel gurus know anything about this? |
| 06:35.57 | majnoon | ok with regular cds what is the MINIMUM number needed ?? |
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| 06:36.07 | SimonRaven | 1 |
| 06:36.17 | SimonRaven | netinst or cd 1 of the 14 |
| 06:36.18 | penny | ke6isf, http://www.coffeeresearch.org/coffee/defects.htm |
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| 06:36.32 | majnoon | i can use apt-get to install the rest |
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| 06:36.40 | ke6isf | twobitsprite: No problem. |
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| 06:36.52 | majnoon | ok just the first one then |
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| 06:37.23 | majnoon | netinst no work for me tried like 10 times :( |
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| 06:38.50 | Bac9 | is there an easy way to extend ifupdown for new connection methods? |
| 06:39.03 | Bac9 | specifically I am interested in tspc |
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| 06:39.21 | dondelelcaro | Bac9: generally, yes. |
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| 06:39.34 | Bac9 | dondelelcaro: and specifically? |
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| 06:40.03 | dondelelcaro | Bac9: assuming the connection method interacts with an interface, you generally can use one of the pre-existing rules and actually deal with it using pre-up,up, and down hooks |
| 06:40.22 | majnoon | downloading cd-1 now jus a 20 min wait |
| 06:40.58 | majnoon | actually about 23 min |
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| 06:41.29 | Bac9 | dondelelcaro: tspc to regular ipv6/ipv4 tunnel is like dhcp is to static ipv4, hence some extension of the tool would probably be in order |
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| 06:43.11 | dondelelcaro | Bac9: well, you can always file a wishlist bug asking for it to be extended, or write the extensions yourself... |
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| 06:43.39 | Bac9 | dondelelcaro: right now the tspc client is running as daemon and starting a config script which I hacked together to interface with ifupdown, but it'd be cleaner if tspc could be dealt with like dhcp is dealt with by ifupdown |
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| 06:43.59 | tengulre | Hi,all |
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| 06:44.25 | dondelelcaro | Bac9: well, the typical way you'd do that is by using one of the hooks that actually starts the daemon appropriately on up, and turns it off on down. |
| 06:44.29 | Bac9 | dondelelcaro: what's ifupdown written in? if it's something like shell scripts or perl I might have a go at it for my own box, but if it's something needing recompile then ... |
| 06:44.41 | dondelelcaro | Bac9: it's C iirc. |
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| 06:44.55 | Bac9 | dondelelcaro: so nothing I can do with pure scripting? |
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| 06:45.32 | dimir | Morning. |
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| 06:46.42 | Bac9 | dondelelcaro: anyone I can bug about it modyfying ifupdown? |
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| 06:46.44 | nvz | well one of my nics the ISA one using the smc-ultra driver (eth2) doesnt seem to be functioning as part of my bridge. either of the two pcs work with their crossovers on eth1 |
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| 06:47.07 | dondelelcaro | Bac9: besides the preup/up/down etc. that I indicated which is relatively simple, no. |
| 06:47.08 | nvz | I get link status on the client side dmesg when connecting to eth2, but doesnt show it on the bridge side |
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| 06:47.34 | nvz | damn thing is being a PIMA :P |
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| 06:47.56 | nvz | 2 days later I am still fighting with this bridge |
| 06:48.08 | dondelelcaro | heh |
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| 06:48.32 | nvz | yeah its insane. simple tasks made difficult, by nvz |
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| 06:48.43 | Bac9 | dondelelcaro: preup/up/down would be just another dirty hack, this thing has to be worked right into ifupdown considering that the actual tspc daemon already does the authentication work (kinda like a dhcpc) and then passes the result in environment variables |
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| 06:48.48 | nvz | be sure to buy my book when it comes out this fall |
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| 06:49.53 | nvz | Bac9: the SMC card doesnt seem to be working is what I think it is.. |
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| 06:50.27 | jm_ | maybe it's in auto-negotiation mode and you just need to force it to use a particular mode |
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| 06:50.28 | Bac9 | nvz: never had any problems with those cards |
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| 06:50.37 | nvz | Bac9: I am trying to make a hub(bridge) for two other pcs out of this box with 3 nics. either of the two boxes works on eth1 |
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| 06:50.49 | nvz | Bac9: so I ruled out problems with the crossover couplers I made |
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| 06:51.18 | Bac9 | nvz: so you trying to bridge the networks? or just MASQ them? |
| 06:51.19 | nvz | Bac9: when I hook to eth2 I get link up on the client side but not on the server. though both's status lights show on the nic |
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| 06:52.02 | Bac9 | nvz: how many identical cards do you have in the box? |
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| 06:52.04 | nvz | Bac9: I am just trying to share internet basically. via a bridge. |
| 06:52.08 | non1 | hi all |
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| 06:52.33 | non1 | how can i find the file corresponding to a given inode number ? |
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| 06:52.44 | Bac9 | nvz: sounds like you didn't pass the driver the right parameter and it only initialized the first card |
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| 06:53.00 | nvz | Bac9: none. Eth0 is a PCI 3com 3c59x driver, eth1 is a PCI 8139too and eth2 is the SMC 8146 I think it is ISA |
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| 06:53.23 | Bac9 | nvz: it uses smc-ultra and the driver finds it? |
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| 06:54.17 | SimonRaven | sorry, i'd forgotten to put the gwb pic up. it's there now |
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| 06:55.33 | browny | Anyone running with Xeon's know why their L2 cache doesn't show up in /proc/cpuinfo? I've two identical machines testing with Debian and Whitebox. The Whitebox machine shows /proc info fine (k.2.6.9), Debian (k2.6.8-11) has some missing hardware info. (found it with hwinfo) |
| 06:55.47 | drzoot|laptop | prolly an easy question but i cant figure out the answer, in make-kpkg can i force make to use gcc3 instead of gcc4 ? |
| 06:55.51 | nvz | Bac9: yeah "smc-ultra.c: ISAPnP reports SMC EtherEZ (8416) at i/o 0x240, irq 5." "eth2: SMC EtherEZ at 0x240, 00 E0 29 32 84 1E,assigned IRQ 5 programmed-I/O mode" |
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| 06:56.24 | nvz | Bac9: I do notice smc-ultra: gives a message before that smc-ultra.c line there that says autoprobing isnt recommended for a single card |
| 06:56.27 | Bac9 | nvz: and that's when you insmod it? |
| 06:56.45 | nvz | Bac9: na thats from modutils script loading it as boot. modprobe I guess |
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| 06:56.53 | Bac9 | nvz: the EtherEZ there's no toher way as I recall those are jumperless cards |
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| 06:57.13 | Bac9 | nvz: and what happends when you ifup it? |
| 06:57.23 | majnoon | me wacky,me crazy,even sorta lazy |
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| 06:58.07 | nvz | Bac9: its not in interfaces. I havent figured out how to do that yet I am just manually bridging from commandline will learn the rest later like how to also firewall my bridge and stuff |
| 06:58.10 | Bac9 | nvz: oh and also do check for ip and irq conflicts, isa cards can't share irqs |
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| 06:58.42 | Bac9 | nvz: ifconfig eth2 up |
| 06:58.43 | nvz | Bac9: I just do brctl addbr br0, then brctl addif br0 eth[0-2] then ifconfig eth [0-2] 0.0.0.0 and dhclient br0 |
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| 06:59.11 | nvz | Bac9: does nothing returns to a commandline |
| 06:59.13 | Bac9 | nvz: never done briging with those cards, just did MASQ and worked like a charm |
| 06:59.19 | SerajewelKS | i'm helping a friend install debian. he has a ps/2 mouse, but X isn't detecting it. 'cat /dev/input/mice' nor 'cat /dev/psaux' yield anything when the mouse is moved. what kernel module do we need for a ps/2 mouse? |
| 06:59.22 | jm_ | non1: find can do it |
| 06:59.33 | majnoon | most distros i tried find my card no prob |
| 06:59.33 | Bac9 | nvz: and what does ifconfig show now? is there an eth2? |
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| 06:59.59 | nvz | Bac9: yeah theres always been eth2 there |
| 07:00.07 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: 2.6 kernel? read the FAQ |
| 07:00.08 | browny | Sera: sometimes it shows up as /dev/ttyS0 as well even though it's not a serial mouse |
| 07:00.10 | Bac9 | nvz: so then the card is found |
| 07:00.15 | nvz | Bac9: like I said I did ifconfig eth[0-2] 0.0.0.0 earlier |
| 07:00.17 | non1 | jm_ ok thx i am trying this |
| 07:00.19 | majnoon | even the japenese version of knoppix i accidently downloaded |
| 07:00.28 | SerajewelKS | jm_, what faq |
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| 07:00.30 | nvz | Bac9: like the bridging docs said |
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| 07:00.37 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: /msg dpkg faq |
| 07:00.38 | Bac9 | nvz: what speed are your other cards? are they 10/100? because this one is 10mbps |
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| 07:01.34 | nvz | 0000:00:07.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c900 10Mbps Combo [Boomerang] 0000:00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: D-Link System Inc RTL8139 Ethernet (rev 10) |
| 07:01.39 | Bac9 | nvz: I'm guessing there might be an issue because of diffrent busses, then again I am too sleepy to make educated guesses |
| 07:01.48 | nvz | I guess the 3com is only 10mb but the 8139 is probably 10/100 |
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| 07:02.17 | Bac9 | nvz: if wost comes to worst just masquarade the third card |
| 07:02.29 | nvz | that would be a pain :P |
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| 07:02.43 | Bac9 | nvz: nope, only 2 commands for iptables |
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| 07:02.49 | nvz | I thought maybe the card didnt like promisc mode or something but I see no sings of it |
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| 07:02.57 | majnoon | <--listening to the bbc i love how the brits pronouse some words |
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| 07:03.06 | on1009 | hi all |
| 07:03.07 | Bac9 | nvz: donno, I've never dome bridging with that card |
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| 07:03.18 | Bac9 | nvz: I did my networks through MASQ |
| 07:03.27 | Bac9 | nvz: sorry can't help more |
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| 07:03.43 | hcy_ | what's the user id of "nobody" supposed to be? i accidentally deleted it, thinking 'why would i need a user called nobody' but now programs are complaining. or does it not matter? |
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| 07:03.44 | Bac9 | nvz: sugestion, man ip |
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| 07:04.06 | dondelelcaro | hcy_: -1 |
| 07:04.33 | non1 | "ext3_readdir: bad entry in directory" : what are the solutions appart from fsck ? |
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| 07:05.08 | nvz | I can try swapping the SMC with a the PCI SMC2-1211TC (8139too) nic out of the other box if its just not liking being in promisc or something |
| 07:05.25 | SerajewelKS | jm_, umm... don;t see that page |
| 07:05.30 | nvz | but then I will have two cards using the same driver.. but it shouldnt hurt anything |
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| 07:05.56 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: WFM |
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| 07:06.22 | SerajewelKS | jm_, InstallLinux26? |
| 07:06.29 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: no, OtherHardware |
| 07:06.30 | non1 | bye all |
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| 07:06.56 | nvz | I really dont want to over complicate the network. the bridge with transparent firewall keeps things fairly simple and the pcs in front and behind it need not even know its there |
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| 07:07.38 | hcy_ | dondelelcaro: i tried creating a user 'nobody' with uid -1 but it got created with uid 4294967295 |
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| 07:07.53 | SerajewelKS | jm_, did that. doesn't help |
| 07:07.57 | on1009 | i try to setup my matrox G450 with OpenGL and DRI on debian sarge: i always get "...XFree86-DRI" missing..." my glxinfo is under http://pastebin.com/352565, help? |
| 07:08.54 | dondelelcaro | hcy_: it's -1 in 16 bit, not 32 bit; regardless, 65534 |
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| 07:10.11 | streuner | http://www.nola-intel.org/pictures/DSC_0777.JPG |
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| 07:12.06 | SvperPhly | anyone here know how to setup awstats in debian |
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| 07:12.25 | bob2 | 1) install awstats |
| 07:12.27 | bob2 | 2) read docs |
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| 07:12.30 | bob2 | 3) profit |
| 07:12.40 | wathek | http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS8124627492.html |
| 07:12.50 | nvz | profit? |
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| 07:13.11 | midg3t | nvz: it's an old geek joke |
| 07:13.19 | midg3t | maybe not old, but a geek joke |
| 07:13.20 | bob2 | joke is a little strong |
| 07:13.23 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:13.26 | nvz | I guess I am too young? |
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| 07:13.41 | SvperPhly | bob2: uhm, the docs dont' say anything about using it with apache2 |
| 07:13.43 | bob2 | you didn't watch south park in 1997 or so |
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| 07:13.52 | bob2 | why does it matter what version of apache you use? |
| 07:13.57 | bob2 | all it does is parse logs |
| 07:14.23 | hcy_ | dondelelcaro: and it has a group that goes with it? nogroup? what's its group id? |
| 07:14.25 | nvz | yeah I started giving up tv for educational things rather than stuff that turns my mind into mush around that tim |
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| 07:15.33 | on1009 | i try to setup my matrox G450 with OpenGL and DRI on debian sarge: i always get "...XFree86-DRI" missing..." my glxinfo is under http://pastebin.com/352565, help? |
| 07:15.52 | bob2 | your X log and config would be more useful |
| 07:16.09 | nvz | well I should probably tear these pcs apart and swap network cards.. I am not getting anywhere like this. :P even better I can take the two PCI ones out of here and use the other PC for my bridge instead |
| 07:16.12 | on1009 | bob2 will be right there |
| 07:16.16 | hcy_ | dondelelcaro: and it has a group that goes with it? nogroup? what's its group id? |
| 07:16.26 | defcon8 | i fucking tell this girl i play the classical guitar and she asks me if i have a band or something |
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| 07:16.33 | defcon8 | are americans THIS ignornat? |
| 07:16.35 | defcon8 | ignorant* |
| 07:16.45 | defcon8 | i mean have you ever heard of a band with a classical guitar |
| 07:16.47 | dondelelcaro | hcy_: nogroup, and its 65534 |
| 07:16.49 | defcon8 | do you even call them bands? |
| 07:16.51 | defcon8 | damn man |
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| 07:17.05 | dondelelcaro | defcon8: that has nothing whatsoever to do with #debian... |
| 07:17.11 | streuner | defcon8: nowaday? no |
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| 07:17.17 | streuner | nowadays* |
| 07:17.22 | midg3t | is a classical guitar different from an acoustic guitar? |
| 07:17.22 | defcon8 | dondelelcaro, yeah because its the wrong channel i posted to |
| 07:17.23 | defcon8 | heheh |
| 07:17.24 | midg3t | i'm australian by the way |
| 07:17.34 | streuner | defcon8: in the 60's or 70's |
| 07:17.47 | bob2 | perhaps you can explain why we ended up with ips in the 192/8 range |
| 07:17.52 | bob2 | which my modem hates |
| 07:17.55 | defcon8 | midg3t, yeah it is normally played solo |
| 07:17.58 | hcy_ | dondelelcaro: it automatically created a group called 'nobody' as well, when i created the user. i don't need that, right? i can delete that? |
| 07:18.00 | defcon8 | and has a wider neck |
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| 07:18.41 | nvz | damn lost my lighter.. I was about to sponsor myself a break |
| 07:18.51 | dondelelcaro | hcy_: no, you don't need that group. You should have lines like nogroup:x:65534: and nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh or similar. |
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| 07:18.56 | defcon8 | nvz, smoking is bad for the health. you will die early |
| 07:19.06 | streuner | defcon8: another question, how did you solve those problems about your IP? |
| 07:19.09 | penny | nvz, hehe |
| 07:19.14 | on1009 | bob2, x.log is under http://pastebin.com/352569 and ... |
| 07:19.24 | nvz | defcon8: yeah well I will be high while you are worrying about your cause of death |
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| 07:19.51 | penny | nvz, I used flashlight as usual |
| 07:19.57 | Corlis | better to die cause of stupidity, than die stupid |
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| 07:20.11 | nvz | penny: whaT? you use a flashlight? |
| 07:20.14 | setog3 | hi I have a new disk in ata/133 , but with hdparm -t I have only Timing buffered disk reads: 170 MB in 3.02 seconds = 56.37 MB/sec |
| 07:20.14 | setog3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:20.21 | brick | good comeback nvz |
| 07:20.21 | nvz | I got two lighters you'd think I could find one |
| 07:20.24 | setog3 | I think I can have 133 MB/sec |
| 07:20.26 | setog3 | no ? |
| 07:20.41 | defcon8 | streuner, what do you mean=? |
| 07:20.45 | defcon8 | nvz, i dont smoke |
| 07:20.47 | jm_ | setog3: there's no problem |
| 07:20.54 | midg3t | setog3: that's the theory, but practice is very different |
| 07:21.01 | nvz | defcon8: sorry, s/your/my/ |
| 07:21.03 | midg3t | you will never get 133 MB/s on ATA133 |
| 07:21.03 | streuner | defcon8: your IP was baned, right? |
| 07:21.15 | on1009 | bob2, XF86conf is here http://pastebin.com/352571 |
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| 07:21.25 | nvz | defcon8: and if I lit you on fire, you would smoke just the same |
| 07:21.30 | setog3 | hmm ok, I have a doubt because I use an old nappe connector with this disk |
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| 07:21.37 | setog3 | so I dont need to buy a new |
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| 07:21.50 | nvz | we are wh% water or something.. yeah we smoke.. just usually dont get hot enough |
| 07:21.51 | midg3t | setog3: 56 MB/s is pretty average for a recent disk at ata133 |
| 07:21.52 | on1009 | hi defcon8 you in here too! |
| 07:22.00 | setog3 | thx |
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| 07:22.13 | nvz | s/%/at like 98%/ |
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| 07:22.28 | defcon8 | hello on1009 |
| 07:22.32 | streuner | defcon8: so you were able to connect to freenode? |
| 07:22.37 | defcon8 | streuner, ahh yes |
| 07:22.42 | defcon8 | naah it was only banned from here |
| 07:22.49 | defcon8 | it was because of the turkish spam bots |
| 07:22.53 | defcon8 | i also use a turkish isp |
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| 07:23.00 | streuner | defcon8: and cloak didn't help? |
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| 07:23.11 | defcon8 | Cakici_, <<-- another turkish spammer |
| 07:23.15 | defcon8 | it means pen knife user |
| 07:23.17 | streuner | we know |
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| 07:23.29 | defcon8 | streuner, actually i just thought about that |
| 07:23.34 | defcon8 | thats quite a good point |
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| 07:23.48 | defcon8 | i dunno man but some guy unbanned me |
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| 07:23.57 | defcon8 | Kadnlar_icin, <-- for women |
| 07:23.59 | streuner | greycat |
| 07:24.02 | nvz | actually I guess I had better leave the bridge on this box.. now that I turned my couplers into crossovers my uplink wont reach to that other box |
| 07:24.05 | defcon8 | lol the bastard went |
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| 07:24.10 | defcon8 | streuner, yeah was trying to remember |
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| 07:24.23 | defcon8 | nedenolmas, <-- why not. another turkish spammer |
| 07:24.23 | streuner | defcon8: if you using irssi - /msg dpkg nospambots |
| 07:24.30 | defcon8 | why cant they fack off |
| 07:24.47 | defcon8 | i dont use irssi |
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| 07:25.07 | midg3t | i haven't been PMed by a bot recently [~1 hr] and i'm not +E |
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| 07:25.18 | SimonRaven | defcon8: /quote mode defcon8 +E |
| 07:25.31 | nvz | midg3t: they updated the server to have +E behavior by default |
| 07:25.35 | defcon8 | SimonRaven, they are not messaging me. they are joining here |
| 07:25.36 | midg3t | ah |
| 07:25.46 | nvz | midg3t: you have to identify and ask for it to be turned off |
| 07:25.51 | defcon8 | * __OSMAN__ (n=meltem@dn-240-32.tm.net.my) has left #debian <--- another |
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| 07:25.55 | defcon8 | why the hell aer they coming here? |
| 07:26.01 | defcon8 | and here is another one |
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| 07:26.12 | defcon8 | they just come here and go 5 seconds after :| |
| 07:26.15 | SimonRaven | then shut up about them. we've known about them for days and says |
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| 07:26.22 | defcon8 | but it is strange |
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| 07:26.55 | nvz | s/pk/pl/ |
| 07:27.08 | defcon8 | i am not on irssi |
| 07:27.20 | nvz | sucks to be you |
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| 07:27.44 | nvz | sorry about your loss |
| 07:27.46 | defcon8 | is using xchat sucky? |
| 07:27.52 | streuner | defcon8: use irssi OR just ignore all quits and joins |
| 07:28.00 | SimonRaven | defcon8: shut up already |
| 07:28.08 | defcon8 | SimonRaven, what? |
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| 07:28.10 | dondelelcaro | SimonRaven: just use /ignore... |
| 07:28.16 | defcon8 | WTF |
| 07:28.19 | defcon8 | what did i do? |
| 07:28.21 | SimonRaven | i just did |
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| 07:28.32 | defcon8 | nvz, do you know what i did? |
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| 07:29.01 | nvz | defcon8: you are just being too much like me. /nick enveezee they wont know the difference :P |
| 07:29.05 | nvz | heh |
| 07:29.25 | nvz | of course then I can kick you off the network for stealing my alternate nick |
| 07:29.25 | defcon8 | yeah but i just asked if xchat is sucky and he said shut up already |
| 07:29.26 | defcon8 | wtf |
| 07:29.53 | dondelelcaro | defcon8: just drop it; not worth spending any more effort on it. |
| 07:30.12 | defcon8 | dondelelcaro, aer you joking around or something? i dont know what you aer talking about |
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| 07:30.36 | streuner | hm |
| 07:30.50 | penny | nvz, so he must to patent his nickname? |
| 07:31.03 | dondelelcaro | defcon8: there's no point in talking about the spambots or whether or not someone should have ignored you or why they wanted you to stop talking about it; it has passed. |
| 07:31.15 | bucky | defcon8, are you complaining about the spambots? /topic |
| 07:31.36 | nvz | penny: *shrug* I am done with it.. tired subject I am washing my hands of it |
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| 07:32.45 | nvz | going to toke on this number and finish these two base-installs then swap these nics and see what hits |
| 07:32.52 | streuner | defcon8: my question refering to, are you able to connect to freenode with a cloak, even the IP is in a ban or NOT |
| 07:33.10 | defcon8 | streuner, yeah i know and i dont know why i was banned |
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| 07:33.28 | defcon8 | i went out one day and when i came back i found myself banned |
| 07:33.28 | streuner | defcon8: because you were in a range many spambots used... |
| 07:33.34 | penny | freenode -> slavenode ^_^ |
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| 07:34.01 | nvz | we arent 0wned we are just being trolled |
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| 07:35.24 | penny | defcon8, you can try another ISP |
| 07:35.48 | penny | defcon8, prepare 100+ ISP on hands |
| 07:36.48 | nvz | after I am done with this briding lesson and then learn how to setup a transparent firewall on it.. I need to spend some time learning how to use my MTA been on linux over 5 years and never had an MTA configured more than local delivery |
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| 07:37.52 | streuner | nvz: there is a nice HOWTO, google for 'SMTP HOWTO debian sarge' |
| 07:37.57 | penny | nvz, so? |
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| 07:38.13 | dsevilla | hi all |
| 07:38.23 | dsevilla | experimental packages are failing, isnit it? |
| 07:38.26 | penny | nvz, it just the common sense |
| 07:38.33 | nvz | penny: having a properly configured mta is important.. like even for simple things like participating in popularity contest |
| 07:38.33 | dondelelcaro | dsevilla: eh? |
| 07:38.42 | dondelelcaro | dsevilla: you'll have to be more specific than that |
| 07:38.58 | nvz | which I want to start participating in that cause some of my fav debian packages arent even on the first 5 cds anymore |
| 07:39.23 | dsevilla | dondelelcaro, I get errors when updating from ftp.debian.org ../project/experimental Release |
| 07:39.27 | dsevilla | Obj ftp://ftp.debian.org ../project/experimental Release |
| 07:39.27 | dsevilla | 99% [Packages bzip2 0] [Consulta] |
| 07:39.27 | dsevilla | bzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly; |
| 07:39.50 | fireba11 | hu? |
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| 07:40.13 | dondelelcaro | dsevilla: first off, you shouldn't be downloading from ftp.debian.org; secondly you almost definetly don't want to be running experimental packages. |
| 07:40.25 | dondelelcaro | dsevilla: you should be using your local debian mirror for experimental. |
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| 07:40.54 | dsevilla | dondelelcaro, ok, my nearest mirror is not working very well |
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| 07:41.04 | jody-tard | does any one in here know any programs that view images at the cmd line and not the x server |
| 07:41.06 | dsevilla | dondelelcaro, and, ok, I think I manage myself enough to use experimental packages |
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| 07:41.32 | dondelelcaro | jody-tard: you mean ones that use the svga drivers? |
| 07:41.52 | jody-tard | i dont realy know |
| 07:42.03 | jody-tard | i run from the cmd line |
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| 07:42.27 | dondelelcaro | jody-tard: the typical way is to have an X server to actually display the image; if not, you'll have to use something that can do fbdev or svga to actually display the image |
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| 07:43.26 | midg3t | perhaps caca-utils |
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| 07:43.46 | hairy_potter | Can I efficiently maintain / do successive-copies of a huge single file across the network using rsync? |
| 07:43.53 | dondelelcaro | jody-tard: zgv is probably the best bet, but apt-cache search view svga; should give you a good idea. |
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| 07:44.05 | hairy_potter | The file is like 300 Gigs. |
| 07:44.12 | dondelelcaro | hairy_potter: that's a bit huge, but presumably, yes. |
| 07:44.19 | fireba11 | 300 gigs ?? |
| 07:44.27 | fireba11 | what the hell is in that file ? |
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| 07:44.32 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: so rsync wouldn't end up sending the entire file across to do diff / whatever, right? |
| 07:44.32 | TwistedEmotions | What? what package is 300 gigs? |
| 07:44.33 | jody-tard | ok thanks for the help |
| 07:44.34 | dondelelcaro | hairy_potter: it will take quite a bit of CPU time and disk acess time to actually compare that file, though. |
| 07:44.34 | hairy_potter | fireba11: logs :) |
| 07:44.46 | midg3t | phwoar |
| 07:44.50 | fireba11 | hairy_potter zipped logs of 300 GB ? |
| 07:44.56 | syuusuke | that is one big log file |
| 07:45.06 | midg3t | is it the access_log from slashdot or something? |
| 07:45.07 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: from what I read on the web, rsync does a rolling checksum |
| 07:45.10 | dondelelcaro | hairy_potter: and you're almost certainly better off splitting that thing into slightly more sane pieces |
| 07:45.14 | hairy_potter | midg3t: amazon.com :) |
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| 07:45.22 | midg3t | over what period? |
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| 07:45.30 | syuusuke | day 1 of amazon.com :) |
| 07:45.45 | rage_ | does anyone know of a tool that err, `cat`s in reverse. For example given a file with a\n b\n c\n it will print out c\n b\n a\n? |
| 07:46.27 | midg3t | rev(1) |
| 07:46.34 | midg3t | or tac() |
| 07:46.36 | dondelelcaro | rage_: tac |
| 07:46.37 | midg3t | tac(1) even |
| 07:46.45 | rage_ | Ta :-) |
| 07:46.46 | rage_ | hehe |
| 07:46.48 | nvz | couldnt you pipe it into sort and do it too? |
| 07:46.49 | rage_ | fair enough |
| 07:46.52 | fireba11 | hairy_potter: am curious .. what time period u need for 300 gig logs ? and compressed or not ? :-) |
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| 07:47.10 | dondelelcaro | hairy_potter: why exactly are you even using a single file? for something that big that doesn't change much, you almost certainly want to split it into finer grained pieces, and then probably through away large portions of it |
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| 07:48.23 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: the problem is the remote whatever thing team doesn't want to give only the changes... :-L |
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| 07:48.34 | midg3t | wooh, massive stack of X-related updates in unstable :) |
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| 07:48.49 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: so will rsync end up making efficient transfers _even_ when the file length changes? |
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| 07:48.53 | fireba11 | midg3t: how massive ? |
| 07:49.03 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: like 10 bytes get added at the beginning, say |
| 07:49.15 | fireba11 | hm .. probably not ^^ |
| 07:49.25 | midg3t | 92 packages upgraded (about 80 are X), 75 MB of archives |
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| 07:49.43 | narma | hello |
| 07:49.44 | fireba11 | midg3t: that's a lot :-) when did u check last time ? |
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| 07:49.49 | midg3t | about two days ago |
| 07:49.54 | fireba11 | ups |
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| 07:50.01 | SimonRaven | more updates |
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| 07:50.13 | midg3t | ups? |
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| 07:50.37 | narma | I have a problem with debian unstable. I wanted to install alsa gnome-alsamixer apmd and something else into the same apt commande |
| 07:50.43 | fireba11 | midg3t: german expression .. something like woah |
| 07:50.47 | midg3t | ah |
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| 07:50.58 | narma | and it tells me that udev must be upgrated to 0.6.8 |
| 07:51.07 | johnny06 | mornin,as a newbie with debian i was wondering what is the easiest way to install java runtime on debian sarge 3.1 stable* |
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| 07:51.14 | holy_cow | slightly offtopic ... but still based on debian |
| 07:51.17 | narma | but udev needs a kernel greater or equals at 2.612 |
| 07:51.18 | nvz | thats funny there is a backwards cat program called tac I never knew about that one |
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| 07:51.23 | Gumby | does anyone here know if there is a way to stop a driver from loading when using a boot CD? I dont want i2o module to load as its causing a freeze when the distro tries and detects the SCSI adapter that I do not have |
| 07:51.24 | narma | and there is no such kernel :c\ |
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| 07:51.29 | jm_ | JohnnyST: weren't you asking this yesterday? /msg dpkg java |
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| 07:51.29 | holy_cow | http://www.elivecd.org/ <-- neato! |
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| 07:51.36 | jm_ | johnny06 ^^^^^^ |
| 07:51.39 | william | hey are there any docs online on howto fix really broken depends? |
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| 07:51.50 | nvz | !fix-depends |
| 07:51.58 | fireba11 | Gumby: u can add a couple options .. should be one not to try scsi at all |
| 07:52.08 | william | !fix-depends |
| 07:52.09 | nvz | maybe not.. heh I seen mwilson doing something like that the other day |
| 07:52.12 | johnny06 | jm_ |
| 07:52.23 | flawd | How can I make sylpheed read my Debian system email in the local inbox? I specified "local" at protocol type and email "jesper@laptop" which is the user, but it doesnt seem to fetch the email |
| 07:52.37 | nvz | he called up a factoid on using dselect to fix depends or something |
| 07:52.45 | jm_ | flawd: local mbox file |
| 07:52.58 | Gumby | fireba11: there used to be noscsi, but that seems to be deprecated in 2.6 kernels. |
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| 07:53.00 | william | i have a ton of broken packages |
| 07:53.05 | johnny06 | are the http://www.apt-get.org/main/ ok to put in my apt/sources or will i break down my machine |
| 07:53.12 | william | and i have been working on it for a month or so |
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| 07:53.18 | nvz | william: hindsight is 20-20 eh? |
| 07:53.28 | hairy_potter | do debian ISOs get transfered to mirrors via ftp or some other means (and not rsync)? |
| 07:53.32 | william | lol |
| 07:53.33 | nvz | william: I try avoid getting there anymore |
| 07:53.39 | bob2 | rsync, I'd think |
| 07:53.42 | william | my father in law worked with debian for a year and a half |
| 07:53.43 | narma | So after apt-get install command, I have : udev must be upgraded to 0.6.8 but it needs kernel >= 2.6.12 but there is no such kernel into debian unstable. How can I fix that ? |
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| 07:53.45 | william | using dpkg |
| 07:53.52 | william | he never knew about the apt-get system |
| 07:53.53 | william | lol |
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| 07:53.57 | nvz | that shit sucks. I ran sid a couple years and learned ways to avoid it |
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| 07:54.10 | william | oic |
| 07:54.12 | grouldy | is there a way i can view programs depend on a package? |
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| 07:54.14 | william | well thanks for the pointers |
| 07:54.16 | fireba11 | narma: no kernel >= 2.6.12 in unstable ?? |
| 07:54.16 | Lorvija | What would be good commmand line player to listen di.fm streams? |
| 07:54.23 | nvz | only updated when the alignment of certain planets was just right.. etc |
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| 07:54.32 | bob2 | hairy_potter: you could ask on the debian-mirrors list |
| 07:54.41 | bob2 | narma: put it on hold until you have a 2.6.12 kernel |
| 07:54.49 | william | im off to work in iraq |
| 07:54.51 | bob2 | narma: are yo uaware that kernels are now named linux-image-...? |
| 07:54.51 | william | cya laterz |
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| 07:55.24 | flawd | jm_, what do you mean with that? |
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| 07:55.31 | narma | bob2 : how it has changed ? it is no more kernel-image ? |
| 07:55.39 | bob2 | yes |
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| 07:55.51 | litage | is it possible to prevent a package from being removed? (Eg: tell dpkg "packageA is *not* removable) |
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| 07:55.58 | flawd | grouldy, I personally view dependencies in synaptic but there must be other faster ways |
| 07:56.00 | fireba11 | litage: yes |
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| 07:56.11 | litage | fireba11: care to share the wealth? :) |
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| 07:56.18 | narma | bob2 : ok thanks :) |
| 07:57.03 | fireba11 | litage: am trying to remember .. some key-combo in aptitude does the trick .. there is also one for preventing somethign from getting upgraded |
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| 07:57.57 | fireba11 | litage: can't remember the key though .. you'll have to read the man |
| 07:58.06 | nvz | litage: fireba11: ? brings up the help |
| 07:58.16 | nvz | tells you what the keys are |
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| 07:58.31 | flawd | jm_, what do you mean with that? |
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| 08:00.04 | litage | fireba11: the "=" key holds the pkg at its current version. i wonder if that prevents removal though. testing... |
| 08:00.07 | nvz | well I got to take this box down again to swap cards. be back in a few million jiffies |
| 08:00.09 | grouldy | flawd, perhaps aptitude? |
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| 08:00.37 | fireba11 | what's a jiffie ? |
| 08:00.50 | nvz | fireba11: its the unit of time in the kernel |
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| 08:01.32 | litage | fireba11: thanks for that tip |
| 08:01.32 | fireba11 | nvz: ah okay |
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| 08:01.44 | fireba11 | litage: you're welcome |
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| 08:02.33 | anibal | litage, do "echo ${pkg} hold | dpkg --set-selections" and the package ${pkg} will not be touched |
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| 08:02.53 | flawd | grouldy, apt-cache showpkg foo |
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| 08:03.03 | hackeron | what would you say is your favorite bittorrent client and why? |
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| 08:03.16 | bob2 | bittornado |
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| 08:03.39 | flawd | jm_, are you here? |
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| 08:03.57 | Guerin | hackeron: rtorrent, because it's stable |
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| 08:04.08 | fireba11 | azureus .. am using nit under windows though .. but it's java anyway |
| 08:04.09 | Guerin | and it doesn't suck up 100% of my ram |
| 08:04.16 | Guerin | bah, azureus is awful |
| 08:04.21 | fireba11 | why ? |
| 08:04.29 | Guerin | it's java, for starters |
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| 08:04.34 | Guerin | it's also a resource hog |
| 08:04.37 | fireba11 | works like a charm for me and the rss-plugin is really usefull :-) |
| 08:04.44 | hackeron | Guerin: thanks, going to have a look |
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| 08:05.28 | litage | thanks anibal, i was having trouble with getting the hold option to stick in aptitude |
| 08:05.49 | hackeron | Guerin: yes, never liked azereus - currently on mldonkey, but its a bit weak when it comes to bittorrent. |
| 08:05.53 | anibal | litage, np |
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| 08:06.24 | fireba11 | are there any other torrent clients with rss support ? |
| 08:06.26 | Guerin | i like rtorrent because I can run it on an old celery400 with 64mb ram, serving about 20 torrents at an average of about a megabyte per second for weeks at a time - and still have ram and cup to spare |
| 08:06.31 | Guerin | cpu even |
| 08:06.47 | Guerin | bittorrent/tornado just simply cannot cope with that sort of load |
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| 08:07.03 | fireba11 | it's neat to set a filter and have stuff downloaded automagically |
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| 08:07.24 | hackeron | Guerin: hmm, I see. My server is also fairly slow, an epia 1000M with 512Mb ram (20W consumption) |
| 08:07.44 | Guerin | fireba11: nothing that can't trivially be done with any rss client and shell hooks |
| 08:07.47 | litage | anibal: hrm, actually that only prevents upgrading, but not removal |
| 08:07.59 | defcon8 | how much a day would it take to run a 1.6ghz P4 swith 256mb ram 24 hrs a day? |
| 08:08.03 | defcon8 | an estimate |
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| 08:08.27 | fireba11 | Guerin correct .. but my downlaods nee to run on my desktop machine for HD space reasons ^^, and thats still running XP .. :-) |
| 08:08.27 | Guerin | defcon8: depends on use |
| 08:08.38 | hackeron | Guerin: rtorrent looks perfect, thanks! |
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| 08:09.04 | defcon8 | well i dont do any cpu heavy stuff really |
| 08:09.08 | Guerin | fireba11: doesn't mean the CLIENT needs to run on your desktop machine |
| 08:09.14 | defcon8 | so how much would you say Guerin ? |
| 08:09.22 | anibal | litage, ah :( |
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| 08:09.28 | Lorvija | Can anyone here listen to this stream: http://64.236.34.4:5190/stream/2011 ? |
| 08:09.32 | fireba11 | Guerin: don't want to run 2 PCs 24/7 ni the same room i sleep in |
| 08:09.38 | Guerin | defcon8: no idea, I just know it varies based on a lot of factors - monitor and PSU being the two primary ones |
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| 08:09.49 | defcon8 | hmm |
| 08:09.52 | defcon8 | just the computer? |
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| 08:10.10 | Guerin | fireba11: who said you'd need to? |
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| 08:10.18 | Guerin | defcon8: as i said - i don't know. |
| 08:10.28 | Kernel_co | hi all , I am useing debian , the default kernel was , 2.4.25 , everything was good , I upgraded to 2.6.13 last night , every thing works (http) but SSH doesnt work , I can't SSH to this machine , this machine is running ( OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4) , I get " Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer" , what is wrong ?! |
| 08:10.41 | litage | i'm compiling my own kernel (with loadable modules disabled), and whenever i boot, the kernel panics. i can't figure out what's wrong though. any suggestions? |
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| 08:10.54 | Guerin | 2.6.13 is in debian already? |
| 08:10.54 | Zomb | Kernel_co: you need to install hotplug and other prerequisites |
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| 08:11.04 | Guerin | litage: use a debian kernel |
| 08:11.06 | Zomb | Guerin: packages.debian.org |
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| 08:11.22 | fireba11 | Guerin: how else could i download 24/7 and not run out of HD space in my linux box ? |
| 08:11.27 | Guerin | !find kernel-image-2.6.13 sid |
| 08:11.30 | Kernel_co | Zomb: hotplug ?!?!? , what is the relation of hotplug and SSH ?! |
| 08:11.44 | Kernel_co | Zomb: I donloaded my own kernel from kernel.org ! |
| 08:11.53 | Zomb | Kernel_co: missing NIC module, dude? |
| 08:11.57 | litage | Guerin: i'm compiling some kernels for some servers, so don't want the extras that a standard debian kernel has |
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| 08:12.01 | tralala | Kernel_co: why? |
| 08:12.03 | Guerin | fireba11: run another computer in another room as a torrent client, and have it save files over ethernet to yoour big HDD computer? |
| 08:12.04 | Zomb | Kernel_co: and WTF do you not use Debian kernels? |
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| 08:12.15 | Guerin | i mean, it's not necessary, i'm just saying it's an option |
| 08:12.17 | Kernel_co | Zomb: no , I can ping the machine and apache works ! |
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| 08:12.31 | Kernel_co | Zomb: it means that NIC works well ! |
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| 08:12.38 | Guerin | litage: why not? |
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| 08:12.46 | Zomb | Kernel_co: sshd restarted? |
| 08:12.52 | maxime | Any url for testing spamassassin ? |
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| 08:12.52 | tralala | Kernel_co: why do you use 2.6.13, instead of the debian 2.6.8-2? |
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| 08:13.01 | Guerin | litage: if you give me some waffle answer like 'because it's teh betters' then I shall lart you |
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| 08:13.09 | fireba11 | Guerin would do but ethernet structure says that would be hard to do .. :-D anyway .. maybe i'll give the linux box a bigger HD in the near future |
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| 08:13.28 | Kernel_co | tralala: because I need it for some purpose ! |
| 08:13.34 | Guerin | maxime: google gtube |
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| 08:13.45 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kernel-image-2.6.13' returned no results. |
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| 08:13.46 | maxime | Guerin, thx |
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| 08:13.59 | tralala | Kernel_co: and 2.6.8 cannot serve this purpose? |
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| 08:14.11 | fireba11 | maxime: on spamassassin.org is a testfile lice aicar for virii |
| 08:14.17 | fireba11 | lice=like |
| 08:14.18 | Kernel_co | tralala: no |
| 08:14.29 | Guerin | Kernel_co: or 2.6.11? |
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| 08:14.39 | Guerin | ok, here's the dealie-o |
| 08:14.41 | Zomb | Kernel_co: I guess you made some mistake in the config of your kernel |
| 08:14.43 | Guerin | !debian kernel image |
| 08:14.43 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 08:14.47 | litage | Guerin: servers don't need the fat that comes with a standard debian kernel |
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| 08:14.56 | Zomb | Kernel_co: run sshd within strace to see what it looks for |
| 08:14.59 | flawd | grouldy, apt-cache showpkg foo |
| 08:15.02 | Thunder00 | the package name for upgrading the kernel is kernel-image ? |
| 08:15.04 | Guerin | litage: no, they don,t but nor does it HURT to have it in there. |
| 08:15.10 | bob2 | litage: when you recompile, make very sure that you have your IDE, SCSI and root filesystem modules *in* the kernel |
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| 08:15.27 | Kernel_co | Zomb: If made a mistake then apache and ping shouldn't work ! but they work well |
| 08:15.32 | bob2 | litage: but using a debian kernel is a lot simpler; all the other modules do is consume some (small) amount of disk space |
| 08:15.36 | Guerin | Thunder00: kernel-image-version-symbol-arch |
| 08:15.38 | fireba11 | just use apt-cache search kernel ^^ |
| 08:15.43 | Zomb | Kernel_co: and your judgement is based on... what? |
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| 08:15.47 | maxime | fireba11, for the momment I just looking for spam, but I would know if there is website where I can put my test email and recive a spam |
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| 08:16.08 | Guerin | maxime: gtube REALLY IS what you want |
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| 08:16.28 | fireba11 | maxime: they cot a special string that will always get detected by spamassassin as spam if you mail it to you |
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| 08:16.32 | litage | bob2: i have modules disabled though |
| 08:16.36 | maxime | Guerin, I read it :) |
| 08:16.38 | tralala | Kernel_co: you shouldn't get angry when people try to help you or they will stop trying |
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| 08:16.54 | Thunder00 | what is the latest kernel package available ? |
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| 08:16.59 | Kernel_co | Zomb: is it kernel 2.6.13 bug or sshd bug ?! |
| 08:17.05 | bob2 | litage: then you missed one of the things I mentioned above entirely |
| 08:17.13 | Guerin | litage: then you haven't built the right things into your kernel. Next. |
| 08:17.13 | fireba11 | Thunder00: just search apt-cache for it |
| 08:17.21 | Kernel_co | tralala: it is over two days that I am busy with this error , the problem is , I am connected to this box remotely :( |
| 08:17.21 | Zomb | Kernel_co: it is a bug in YOUR (read: YOUR) configuration. It works for others. |
| 08:17.39 | bob2 | litage: keep looking, this is almost (ie 99.9999% of the time) always the issue |
| 08:17.42 | Guerin | litage: this is a pebcak error which would be solved by one of more of the following: 1) use a debian kernel 2) have the faintest fucking idea what you're doing |
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| 08:17.49 | bob2 | litage: assuming it was panic'ing about trying to find the root filesystem |
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| 08:17.55 | Kernel_co | Zomb: so what do you think , which feature should I disable ?! |
| 08:18.02 | Guerin | Kernel_co: above applies also to you |
| 08:18.17 | Zomb | <Zomb> Kernel_co: run sshd within strace to see what it looks for |
| 08:18.23 | Guerin | Kernel_co: use the debian 2.6.11 kernel from testing if 2.6.8 is too old |
| 08:18.24 | fireba11 | hm .. today is kernel day, right ? :-) |
| 08:18.24 | Zomb | Kernel_co: what is so hard to understand that? |
| 08:18.30 | litage | Guerin: i have more than a faint idea what i'm doing, and i'm also being polite. what a thought. |
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| 08:18.35 | tralala | fireba11: today is sunday |
| 08:18.35 | Kernel_co | Zomb: how do I run it ?! |
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| 08:18.47 | Guerin | litage: i respectfully disagree with the first part of your statement |
| 08:18.52 | Zomb | Kernel_co: how do you buy food? |
| 08:18.52 | Kernel_co | Zomb: cause I have to tell to someone which has console access to this box ! |
| 08:18.56 | bob2 | come on folks |
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| 08:18.59 | fireba11 | tralala: what ? where do you live ? :-) |
| 08:19.06 | tralala | !sing sunday |
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| 08:19.06 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 08:19.16 | Kernel_co | LoL |
| 08:19.20 | fireba11 | haha |
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| 08:19.30 | vahvarh | Anyone can help with bluetooth under linux? Sort file transfer and things? |
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| 08:19.43 | Zomb | Kernel_co: tell him/her to install a Debian kernel. EOD. |
| 08:19.44 | litage | Guerin: that's fine, you're allowed to disagree |
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| 08:20.22 | tralala | !advice |
| 08:20.22 | dpkg | advice is probably something for which you must pay attention. Many people get irritated if they have to repeat themselves |
| 08:20.26 | Corlis_ | Anyone have an idea how to install debian on a laptop without using any bootdisk, etc.? |
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| 08:20.40 | Guerin | Corlis_: what OS is it running currently? |
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| 08:20.50 | Corlis_ | Guerin: Win XP (*sniff*) |
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| 08:20.59 | fireba11 | shrot question in between .. how to register nick with freenode ? |
| 08:21.00 | jm_ | Corlis: Debian's installation manual explains how to do this from running Linux system or by "booting" from hard disk |
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| 08:21.11 | Guerin | Corlis_: rip the HDD out and put it in another machine; install; replace in original machine |
| 08:21.21 | Guerin | fireba11: /msg nickserv help |
| 08:21.23 | streuner | fireba11: /msg nickserv help |
| 08:21.33 | fireba11 | Guerin: streuner: thx |
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| 08:21.54 | Corlis_ | Guerin: laptop, no disks possible, and cdrom won't read burnt cd's, so just a pure hd install is possible |
| 08:22.00 | Guerin | eh |
| 08:22.14 | Guerin | are you trying to tell me you can't remove a laptop hdd? |
| 08:22.14 | Corlis_ | jm_: Oh, is it something like mounting the debian-image on boot? hrm... |
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| 08:22.31 | Corlis_ | Guerin: I can't remove a nonexistant hdd, yup |
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| 08:22.43 | hvalp | How do i install a printer from the networ |
| 08:22.44 | Guerin | Corlis_: oh, there's NO harddisk in it? |
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| 08:23.02 | Corlis_ | Guerin: urm, sorry, was thinking of fd... |
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| 08:23.13 | Guerin | well, that's a relief |
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| 08:23.24 | hvalp | How do i install a printer from the network |
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| 08:23.40 | tralala | !tell hvalp -about repeat |
| 08:23.41 | Corlis_ | Guerin: Well, i could remove it, put it into another comp... but, well, that's boring... there must be a way to convert without doing so :P |
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| 08:23.48 | jm_ | Corlis_: you can't do it from Windows XP |
| 08:23.58 | jm_ | Corlis: USB drive? |
| 08:23.58 | tralala | !tell hvalp -about printer |
| 08:24.04 | Corlis_ | jm_: Hrm. isn't there something like grub-for-nt? |
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| 08:25.05 | jm_ | Corlis_: yes, but you can also boot linux using ntloader |
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| 08:25.26 | Zomb | jm_: no. You start LILO using ntloader. |
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| 08:25.39 | Guerin | Corlis_: the trouble is that windows xp uses ntfs, which isn't writable by any OS that's not windows |
| 08:26.03 | jm_ | Zomb: or GRUB or ... |
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| 08:26.25 | Corlis_ | Guerin: I have a partition program, that could make a little ext2 partition, or something else that is linux-ready |
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| 08:26.48 | Guerin | Corlis_: you COULD make a new partition, format it to a sane fs, and extract a base tarball onto it ... but that's rather the hard way |
| 08:27.18 | Corlis_ | Well, at least that's not boring :P |
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| 08:28.07 | Corlis_ | ok, back to google |
| 08:28.11 | fireba11 | Corlis_: i'd rather say thats masochistic ... ^^ |
| 08:28.14 | Corlis_ | thanks for helping thinking |
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| 08:28.22 | Kernel_co | Zomb: I enabled Cryptographic API for this kernel , does it make effect to SSHD ? |
| 08:28.54 | anulus | re, i'm looking for non-US (unstable) apt sources, could somebody give me one? |
| 08:29.06 | Guerin | !topicsmite anulus |
| 08:29.07 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon anulus. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 08:29.10 | Zomb | Kernel_co: should not. As said, strace it. |
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| 08:29.12 | Corlis_ | fireba11: urm, i'm using win xp atm, what could be more masochistic... |
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| 08:29.21 | Guerin | Corlis_: win95 |
| 08:29.21 | jm_ | wow someone's asking about non-us sid now, that's progress |
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| 08:29.34 | fireba11 | Corlis_: me2 *G* need soem tools for work :-/ |
| 08:29.44 | SimonRaven | more updates http://simonraven.nuit.ca/blog/ |
| 08:29.46 | Guerin | omglolz |
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| 08:31.37 | anulus | Guerin ah so :) |
| 08:31.42 | Corlis_ | Guerin: hrm. win95... that's something for the spanish inquisition |
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| 08:32.11 | s-toned | During installation I was asked to name a user who would get the system messages. I said root. How do I change that to another user? |
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| 08:32.43 | Corlis_ | Can't wait for Windows Vista.... One customer seen a report about it, and now first time thinking about switching completely to linux... rofl |
| 08:32.50 | fireba11 | s-toned: aliases |
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| 08:33.02 | bob2 | s-toned: /etc/aliases |
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| 08:33.05 | fireba11 | s-toned: jsut redirect to another user |
| 08:33.36 | s-toned | thanks |
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| 08:33.43 | Guerin | Corlis_: haha |
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| 08:33.58 | Lorvija | hey, when listening to streams with "icecream" it generates mp3 file.. where should i point the output so i could listen to it instead of it ripping.. |
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| 08:34.04 | fireba11 | Corlis_ thats a good one :-) |
| 08:34.04 | anulus | Guerin it would be a great idea to erase those pages pointing to non-us sources...or make them redirect to the page about integrating non-US with yup-US :) |
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| 08:34.38 | Guerin | Lorvija: | mpg321 |
| 08:34.39 | Guerin | ? |
| 08:34.47 | Lorvija | great, thanks (: |
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| 08:35.06 | Guerin | dunno if it works, since i have never even heard of this 'icecream' |
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| 08:35.17 | Guerin | there's no better stream player on this earth than mplayer |
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| 08:35.41 | Lorvija | Guerin is mplayer for commandline? (: |
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| 08:35.56 | Coke | Lorvija: both GUI and CLI |
| 08:36.00 | Guerin | most assuredly so |
| 08:36.04 | SimonRaven | this fucking client cant keep up with the traffic .... |
| 08:36.04 | SimonRaven | my web server is doing fine however |
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| 08:36.36 | Guerin | it's the only one of the three bbig ones (vlc, xine, mplayer) which doesn't NEED x for playing audio |
| 08:36.42 | Lorvija | hmm, no installation candidate for mplayer (: |
| 08:36.51 | Guerin | !mplayer |
| 08:36.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mplayer is not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 08:36.55 | Coke | Guerin: it doesn't need X to display video either |
| 08:37.02 | Guerin | Coke: that's true too. |
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| 08:37.12 | penny | so? |
| 08:37.21 | Corlis_ | !twiki |
| 08:37.22 | Lorvija | !mplayer-386 |
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| 08:37.42 | tralala | Lorvija: ask the bot privately |
| 08:37.43 | Coke | Is there a way to do a backwards search in the IRSSI buffer? |
| 08:37.46 | Guerin | Coke: but my point was that xine and vlc, even if you use --no-gui, --no-splash and so on, need an x server just to play audio |
| 08:37.50 | Lorvija | tralala yep (: |
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| 08:38.11 | Coke | Guerin: the mplayer code may be an ugly hack, but it's still the best media player there is. |
| 08:38.12 | tralala | Coke: like bash ctrl-r? |
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| 08:38.16 | Coke | tralala: exactly. |
| 08:38.18 | Guerin | Coke: yup. |
| 08:38.28 | tralala | If there is I would like to know about it! |
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| 08:38.36 | Coke | Guerin: have you heard anything about the mplayer2 project? |
| 08:38.48 | Guerin | Coke: nope. Clean-room? |
| 08:39.05 | penny | with gtk2 ? |
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| 08:39.19 | Guerin | eh? |
| 08:39.22 | tralala | mplayer with aalib output *rocks* |
| 08:39.32 | SimonRaven | i've forgotten if the mplayer converter thingy can convert wmv to something else. anyone know if that's possible? and can someone do this for me please? see the anderson cooper video [3] link to download a copy if you can help. thanks :) |
| 08:39.45 | Coke | Guerin: yeah. I was debugging something for some of the mplayer developers and I was complaining profusely, they agreed that the code was a tad hackish and that a rewrite was on it's way. |
| 08:39.45 | penny | clean-room is for company, not for comunity |
| 08:39.50 | SimonRaven | i can't install win32codecs on a ppc box.... |
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| 08:39.55 | Guerin | Coke: awesome. |
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| 08:40.07 | SimonRaven | oh cool |
| 08:40.15 | Lorvija | tralala/guerin, could you please try if you can listen to this stream with mplayer: http://64.236.34.4:5190/stream/2011 |
| 08:40.18 | Guerin | penny: um, nope. |
| 08:40.22 | Coke | Guerin: yep, but then the licensing thingie came up and development altogether was threatened. |
| 08:40.24 | asuffield | who really cares? even the people who wrote mplayer gave up on it ages ago. xine is the place to be |
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| 08:40.27 | Lorvija | i've tried tens of progs but only icecream worked (: |
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| 08:40.40 | jm_ | SimonRaven: should be no problem |
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| 08:40.54 | SimonRaven | many thank yous |
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| 08:41.06 | Lorvija | how do i install .deb? |
| 08:41.12 | SimonRaven | oh, mpeg4 if at all possible? |
| 08:41.12 | Coke | asuffield: mplayer has many hackish features that makes it very configurable. |
| 08:41.26 | Guerin | Lorvija: worksforme |
| 08:41.27 | SimonRaven | Lorvija: dpkg -i. man dpkg |
| 08:41.29 | asuffield | Coke: which were mostly copied from xine and vlc |
| 08:41.35 | Lorvija | Guerin great (: |
| 08:41.37 | Lorvija | SimonRaven okay thanks |
| 08:41.46 | penny | mpeg4 was .... patentd? |
| 08:41.48 | Coke | asuffield: all the filters and codec options? |
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| 08:42.05 | asuffield | Coke: mostly those come from ffmpeg and related libraries |
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| 08:42.27 | SimonRaven | penny: i thought it was open and non-encumbered |
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| 08:42.32 | Coke | asuffield: yes, but they let me customize the flags to that code from CLI. |
| 08:42.32 | Guerin | asuffield: is there a reason why xine needs an x server to play audio, then? And why neither xine nor vlc can currently play x264 as well as mplayer can ... even though x264 dev is hosted by videolan... |
| 08:42.35 | Zedman | hello. is there an application for printing dvd-covers like kover just for dvd? |
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| 08:42.40 | asuffield | don't assume that because the mplayer fanboys are sloppy about attributing copyright that they actually invented much of it |
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| 08:43.07 | thedog | hi all. not havening any luck resloving if there is a webmin that runs on apache2? any clues? |
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| 08:43.14 | penny | SimonRaven, in my mind, mpeg4 is the m$'s IP ? |
| 08:43.16 | Coke | asuffield: I don't care who invents what, fact remains; I can do more things with mplayer. |
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| 08:43.38 | SimonRaven | well, whatever format a normal linux desktop can run without having to have mplayer on it would be wonderful |
| 08:43.47 | Guerin | SimonRaven: xvid |
| 08:44.03 | Lorvija | Guerin what command did you use? (: |
| 08:44.09 | SimonRaven | is that cross-platform too? |
| 08:44.13 | Guerin | SimonRaven: or x246 is you have a crunty pc ... but yeah, these are both subsets of mpeg-4 |
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| 08:44.15 | jm_ | SimonRaven: mpeg |
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| 08:44.20 | Guerin | SimonRaven: absolutely |
| 08:44.25 | SimonRaven | jm_: perfect |
| 08:44.30 | Guerin | Lorvija: mplayer http://64.236.34.4:5190/stream/2011 |
| 08:44.32 | thedog | ALL: Webmin? |
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| 08:44.41 | asuffield | Guerin: xine-lib doesn't need an X server for anything. xine-ui does because it's an X application. there are plenty of other UIs. I've never seen anything encoded in x264 so I wouldn't care |
| 08:44.42 | Guerin | Lorvija: i'm using the package from apt.cerkinfo.be |
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| 08:44.52 | SimonRaven | thedog: apt-get --purge remove webmin |
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| 08:45.09 | Guerin | thedog: don't use webmin |
| 08:45.12 | Guerin | heh |
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| 08:45.17 | Guerin | SimonRaven is more to the point |
| 08:45.20 | Trewas | there are indeed "few" mpeg4 related patents, see http://www.mpegla.com/m4v/m4v-patentlist.cfm |
| 08:45.30 | thedog | sup with webmin? |
| 08:45.35 | walaoa | is there a gnome-based chat client? |
| 08:45.37 | Lorvija | Guerin welll i'm using the one from http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge/ and cant get that stream working (: |
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| 08:45.45 | asuffield | Trewas: mpeg-la are liars. nobody's really sure quite how many patents there are on mpeg-4 and who holds them |
| 08:45.48 | Guerin | Lorvija: dunno then. |
| 08:45.49 | SimonRaven | not very useful, and doesn't teach you anything about administration |
| 08:45.52 | Coke | walaoa: what kind of chatting do you intend to participate in? |
| 08:45.53 | bob2 | walaoa: "chat"? irc? |
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| 08:46.02 | thedog | hmm |
| 08:46.03 | Lorvija | hmm okay |
| 08:46.05 | SimonRaven | thedog: ^^^ |
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| 08:46.12 | Zedman | isnt there an application for printing dvd-covers like kober just for dvd's ??? |
| 08:46.13 | Guerin | walaoa: gnome-terminal -e irssi |
| 08:46.14 | walaoa | yeh, irc will do. |
| 08:46.30 | penny | walaoa, irc? |
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| 08:46.35 | bob2 | walaoa: xchat |
| 08:46.36 | thedog | true. but helps me find the things i can't find |
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| 08:46.48 | Trewas | asuffield: sure, but I guess that anyone who is selling commercial mpeg4-related software will not take a risk and not buy a license for them |
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| 08:47.09 | walaoa | bob2, is xchat gnome-based? |
| 08:47.18 | penny | Trewas, I prefer xvid |
| 08:47.21 | Guerin | walaoa: you don't need a gnome-based app |
| 08:47.25 | Trewas | penny: xvid is mpeg4 |
| 08:47.33 | Guerin | yes |
| 08:47.35 | penny | Trewas, ?? |
| 08:47.38 | thedog | who want's to tell me where to change my root path for apache2? |
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| 08:47.43 | Guerin | it sure is |
| 08:47.57 | Guerin | practically all current video implementations are |
| 08:48.04 | penny | so xvid is the IP of m$ ? |
| 08:48.10 | Guerin | thedog: httpd.apache.org |
| 08:48.14 | Guerin | penny: no |
| 08:48.16 | Coke | thedog: check for DocumentRoot in the configuration files under /etc/apache2 |
| 08:48.19 | asuffield | Trewas: it doesn't work like that. mpeg-la are a harassment operation. they go to people using mpeg and say "give us money and we will go away, otherwise we will try to create trouble for you". it's not legal but the whole point is that people would rather pay them off |
| 08:48.25 | thedog | Guerin: Blllll |
| 08:48.25 | Guerin | penny: because mpeg-4 isn't MS-owned |
| 08:48.33 | thedog | thx Coke |
| 08:48.36 | Guerin | thedog: i'll take that as a vote of thanks |
| 08:48.39 | bob2 | walaoa: why don't you have a look |
| 08:48.52 | nvz | w00t I got a bridge up and running all the boxes now |
| 08:48.52 | walaoa | Guerin, i am testing out a gnome-based on-screen keyboard. it seems to work well with gnome app, possibly it uses gnome API. |
| 08:48.57 | Coke | asuffield: sounds a lot like what they are trying to do to Torrent sites in Europe. |
| 08:49.14 | penny | Guerin, Could m$ buy the mpeg-4 ? |
| 08:49.17 | Guerin | walaoa: try it with xchat - otherwise, aptitude search chat gnome |
| 08:49.20 | Guerin | penny: no |
| 08:49.28 | penny | Guerin, why? |
| 08:49.29 | thedog | Geurin: same as finding the proverbial needle |
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| 08:49.33 | Guerin | penny: it's a standard, not a thing that can be bought |
| 08:49.36 | Guerin | thedog: no. |
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| 08:49.55 | asuffield | there's piles of patents that may or may not apply to mpeg-4, but I don't think MS hold any of them |
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| 08:50.10 | penny | Guerin, surport -> extention -> it's m$'s standard now |
| 08:50.11 | walaoa | Gurein, tried with xchat and gaim, both failed. that gnome-terminal you mentioned earlier, how to run it? |
| 08:50.21 | Guerin | penny: bullshit |
| 08:50.26 | penny | Guerin, like XML |
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| 08:50.39 | Guerin | penny: hahaha, now I KNOW you're just clueless |
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| 08:50.46 | penny | ? |
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| 08:50.50 | Coke | penny: what? XML is maintained by W3C |
| 08:50.53 | Guerin | penny: /nick ha'penny |
| 08:51.00 | penny | ha |
| 08:51.02 | Guerin | because that's what your thoughts are worth |
| 08:51.04 | Guerin | really |
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| 08:51.12 | Guerin | you're so far wrong I don't know where to start |
| 08:51.46 | Guerin | i guess I'd start at specification != implementation |
| 08:52.02 | SimonRaven | just hit reload every little while. i keep adding stuff |
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| 08:52.09 | Coke | Although, Netscape and Microsoft have both hi-jacked HTML for a very long time. They are solely responsible for the fact that 99.99% of all websites are broken. |
| 08:52.15 | SimonRaven | Guerin: indeed |
| 08:52.30 | walaoa | any gnome-based email client? |
| 08:52.38 | Coke | walaoa: gnome-terminal -e mutt |
| 08:53.04 | Guerin | SimonRaven: your avatar reminds me of A Bard's Tale |
| 08:53.04 | penny | but the facts, it is = |
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| 08:53.04 | Guerin | penny: no. |
| 08:53.04 | SimonRaven | heh |
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| 08:53.04 | Coke | the fact is = ? |
| 08:53.04 | bob2 | penny: please stop being so clueless |
| 08:53.13 | penny | okay,brb |
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| 08:53.34 | walaoa | Coke, thks, this is the second time gnome-terminal been mentioned. how do i get it started? |
| 08:53.45 | Coke | walaoa: gnome-terminal -e mutt |
| 08:53.45 | Guerin | walaoa: from a command line |
| 08:53.51 | penny | Coke, watch Guerin said |
| 08:54.01 | Guerin | walaoa: THE gnome email client is evolution |
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| 08:54.21 | SimonRaven | or balsa |
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| 08:54.33 | Coke | What is it with desktop environments that seem to make people use them? |
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| 08:54.37 | Guerin | SimonRaven: balsa isn't bloa^Wfeature-rich enough |
| 08:54.46 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 08:56.18 | Coke | I wonder what makes developers and users endorce bloatware. |
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| 08:56.45 | bob2 | because that's what lots of people want |
| 08:56.49 | bob2 | lots of features in one app |
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| 08:56.55 | Guerin | people have fast computers nowadays |
| 08:56.55 | walaoa | Guerin, that gnome email client sure look unsophisticated, more work is being done on it? this is the best from gnome? |
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| 08:57.04 | Guerin | walaoa: which one? |
| 08:57.08 | Coke | I mean, sure we could build a vehicle that runs on the ground, the water and flies, but the more practical solution is taking a taxi to the airport or drive the car into the belly of a ferry. |
| 08:57.14 | SimonRaven | instead of the good ol' *nix trad of many little ones do one thing each |
| 08:57.17 | bob2 | wtf |
| 08:57.19 | Eclipser | I'm not one of this so called 'people' :< |
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| 08:57.30 | Coke | SimonRaven: that's the more efficient one. |
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| 08:57.42 | Guerin | hell, even *I* have a fast computer nowadays ... if a p4 2.4 is considered fast |
| 08:57.45 | SimonRaven | indeed. more efficient in many ways |
| 08:58.00 | bob2 | walaoa: unsophisticated? it will brush your teeth for you. |
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| 08:58.13 | stockholm | huhu! |
| 08:58.25 | Guerin | except that I have to run the damn thing at 1.8G in order to avoid constant "CPU0: running in modulated clock mode" warnings |
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| 08:59.02 | Guerin | hey, do you aussies know of this stuff called "Two Dogs Lemon Brew" |
| 08:59.03 | Guerin | ? |
| 08:59.07 | walaoa | Guerin, gnome-terminal -e mutt |
| 08:59.23 | Guerin | walaoa: hahaha... mutt, the most feature-rich mail client in the world |
| 08:59.28 | SimonRaven | is that mpeg ready? where can i fetch it? |
| 08:59.37 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: baring gnus, of course. |
| 08:59.42 | Guerin | there's literaly nothing it can't do ... except open multiple windows at a time |
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| 08:59.47 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: oh, right you are. |
| 08:59.48 | Corlis | ok, for those who are interested. I'm going to install grub, then boot into a prepared partition and then can install debian... really should work |
| 08:59.51 | walaoa | Guerin: ur other recommendation -e irssi bombed out. |
| 09:00.03 | Guerin | walaoa: why? |
| 09:00.11 | bob2 | Guerin: terrible stuff |
| 09:00.12 | Eclipser | !ur |
| 09:00.12 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 09:00.33 | SimonRaven | uxterm -e mutt& |
| 09:00.43 | Guerin | bob2: i buy shops out of it every chance I get in korea ... wouldn't have touched the stuff back home, but over here it ain't bad at all. |
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| 09:00.56 | walaoa | Guerin, it throws out a lot of warnings, and that's all it did. |
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| 09:01.03 | bob2 | Guerin: hah |
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| 09:01.10 | bob2 | Guerin: I haven't seen it for sale here for years |
| 09:01.14 | BriajWrk | hi all |
| 09:01.22 | Guerin | walaoa: do you have irssi-text installed? |
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| 09:02.31 | walaoa | Guerin, that could be the reason. |
| 09:02.35 | Guerin | .. |
| 09:02.39 | SimonRaven | jm_: is it ready? |
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| 09:03.05 | Guerin | SimonRaven: are we there yet? She's on my side! I need to go to the toilet... |
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| 09:03.14 | delphine | Is it normal if my KDE is broken after an update in testing ? |
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| 09:03.22 | Guerin | delphine: kde broken? sure. |
| 09:03.24 | SimonRaven | Guerin: go ahead ;p |
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| 09:04.26 | jm_ | SimonRaven: sorry, you wanted me to do it? |
| 09:04.39 | Guerin | heh, quote from CNN: "Incoming National Guardsmen are described as 'Well equipped, well trained, ready and able to shoot.'" |
| 09:04.42 | SimonRaven | jm_: no, i just you were, sorry |
| 09:05.01 | FlopsyPete | for a DHCP server, the 'dhcp' package is version 2.0 pl5-19.1, where-as 'dhcp3-server' is version 3.0.2-3. which is the commonly recommended package? |
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| 09:05.19 | jm_ | SimonRaven: I am rather busy right now, otherwise I have no problems doing it ;( |
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| 09:05.25 | SimonRaven | FlopsyPete: use the 3.x one |
| 09:05.33 | SimonRaven | jm_: np, thanks anyway |
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| 09:05.38 | FlopsyPete | SimonRaven: thanks |
| 09:05.53 | Kernel_co | Zomb: you were right it was kernel problem , I disbaled advaced router and Cryptographic API and , Enbaled Plug and Play this problem fixed ! |
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| 09:05.59 | Kernel_co | Zomb: thanks anyway |
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| 09:06.40 | walaoa | so, not many well-built gnome apps around for chat and email, is my conclusion flawed? |
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| 09:06.56 | bob2 | walaoa: yes |
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| 09:07.00 | bob2 | also, you're being quite annoying |
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| 09:07.03 | Guerin | walaoa: did you try xchat, evolution and balsa? |
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| 09:07.10 | walaoa | bob2: sigh. |
| 09:07.13 | Guerin | !#gnome |
| 09:07.13 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
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| 09:07.21 | Guerin | might be a better place to ask about gnome apps |
| 09:07.27 | bob2 | walaoa: if you want pretty gnome apps, use evolution and xchat |
| 09:07.32 | Guerin | since in #debian, only abrotman uses it |
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| 09:08.27 | Guerin | !marmite |
| 09:08.27 | dpkg | i heard marmite is The One True *Mite. |
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| 09:08.33 | Guerin | right you are, dpkg |
| 09:08.43 | SimonRaven | ok, i'll try anyway |
| 09:08.46 | bob2 | wtf |
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| 09:08.59 | bob2 | vegemite is the only *mite classified as a food |
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| 09:09.03 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:09.07 | Guerin | you lie! |
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| 09:09.33 | walaoa | ok, guys, thanks, will try evolution and balsa. sometimes the conversation goes so fast, a lot of info just slips by. |
| 09:09.35 | Guerin | even the name is false advertising ... imp[lies the stuff actually grown on a plant, or something |
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| 09:09.35 | flawd | I've asked the offical #sylpheed channel and they don't know so perhaps it's debian-specific: I can't get email from /var/mail/jesper into sylpheed. I am user jesper@desktop, so I am entering that as my email, then protocol "local". It doesn't fetch the email. |
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| 09:09.50 | bob2 | yeast is a kinda of vegetable |
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| 09:10.01 | Guerin | flawd: mbox? |
| 09:10.15 | Guerin | bob2: see? that's the weak king of logic I'm talking about. |
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| 09:10.34 | flawd | I don't know Guerin. It is the standard setting with Sarge. Trying to get the system messages that I specified to be sent to user jesper |
| 09:10.38 | flawd | the hostname is laptop |
| 09:10.40 | FlopsyPete | nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server? I'm setting up LTSP- Linux Terminal Server Project |
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| 09:10.44 | bob2 | kernel |
| 09:10.52 | flawd | running mutt as jesper I can see the messages |
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| 09:10.58 | asuffield | nfs-user-server is buggy and unmaintained |
| 09:10.58 | Guerin | flawd: what format is your mail in ? |
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| 09:11.15 | asuffield | it only still exists because it has a few obscure features the kernel one doesn't |
| 09:11.17 | flawd | Guerin, as said, I don't know. It is the standard format that comes with sarge. I did not reconfigure it |
| 09:11.19 | FlopsyPete | asuffield: thanks |
| 09:11.33 | asuffield | (mostly to do with remapping user ids) |
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| 09:11.52 | SimonRaven | definitely -kernel- |
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| 09:11.57 | flawd | I have /var/mail/jesper |
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| 09:12.09 | Guerin | flawd: oh, that'll be an mbox |
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| 09:12.51 | fireba11 | did wonder a bit last week that mbox is still the default with sarge .. |
| 09:12.53 | walaoa | hi guys, apt search says evolution is groupware suite. is it for chat, gotta be sure before i download. |
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| 09:13.08 | asuffield | don't think so |
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| 09:13.14 | bob2 | walaoa: wtf |
| 09:13.17 | fireba11 | walaoa: goupware != chat |
| 09:13.17 | bob2 | walaoa: it's a mail client |
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| 09:13.22 | skate | walaoa: evolution is the gnome equivalent to microsoft outlook express |
| 09:13.24 | Guerin | flawd: send yourself an email, figure out which file it goes into, and replace that file with the mbox |
| 09:13.25 | bob2 | you were whinging about mail and irc clients |
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| 09:14.05 | walaoa | ok, balsa is also mail client. that should be enough for mail. any for chat? |
| 09:14.08 | bob2 | walaoa: xchat is the irc client you should look at if you find irssi too complicated |
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| 09:14.15 | bob2 | walaoa: what is your native language? |
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| 09:14.39 | walaoa | irssi, let me check on that too. |
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| 09:15.02 | bob2 | holy fuck |
| 09:15.14 | fireba11 | bob2: ? |
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| 09:15.55 | Guerin | bob2: The Stupiditron Capacitators are overloading! |
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| 09:16.47 | aardvarq | Are those the things that make us go back in time? |
| 09:16.51 | flawd | Guerin, what do you mean replace that file with the mbox? |
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| 09:17.08 | flawd | I know it is /var/mail/jesper |
| 09:17.15 | Guerin | flawd: cp /var/mail/filename ~/.sylpheed/wheteverthefileiscalled |
| 09:17.16 | flawd | I want sylpheed to get the mail from there |
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| 09:17.29 | henrik_ | I'm running Debian Etch with the 2.6.8-2-686 kernel. I'm trying to record with full duplex in Audacity, but with bad recording quality and one channel in slow motion as result. I'm using a C-Media 8738 pci card, works fine in a non free OS. Alsa finds it, but overall the audio quality is bad in all programs. |
| 09:17.31 | fireba11 | aardvarq: no, those where time cronotrons |
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| 09:17.46 | Guerin | flawd: or if you want a permanent solution, use ln -s |
| 09:18.16 | flawd | it worked |
| 09:18.20 | flawd | heh |
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| 09:18.27 | Guerin | henrik_: i've found the CM cards to be pretty shit, honestly |
| 09:18.29 | flawd | There was a setting "Incorporate from spool" |
| 09:18.31 | flawd | ;) |
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| 09:18.36 | Guerin | flawd: ah, sweet |
| 09:18.46 | flawd | ty |
| 09:18.54 | bob2 | henrik_: good question, btw |
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| 09:18.59 | bob2 | not that I know the answer |
| 09:19.04 | bob2 | but I'd try asking on the audacity list |
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| 09:19.19 | henrik_ | Guerin: Yes they are, but it's all I have, and I suppose not everyone with this card records in slow motion? |
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| 09:19.53 | asuffield | henrik_: you're probably asking for a sample rate the card can't deliver |
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| 09:20.06 | Guerin | henrik_: what specifically are you trying to do? record and playback at the same time? I'd certainly expect it to do duplex |
| 09:20.17 | Guerin | full duplex, i should say |
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| 09:20.54 | henrik_ | Guerin: Yes, I'm trying to record and playback at the same time. |
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| 09:22.11 | henrik_ | Assufield: What sample rate could work? It works with the first track, but not the second! (But with bad audio quality on both) |
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| 09:22.26 | asuffield | those cheap cards often have strange and silly sample rate restrictions |
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| 09:22.37 | Xteven | hi, where can I find some openssi people on this network ? |
| 09:22.44 | asuffield | if you don't know exactly what it can deliver then you just have to fiddle around until you find something that works |
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| 09:23.08 | henrik_ | asuffield: I think I could afford a Soundblaster Live card, is it better? |
| 09:23.10 | SimonRaven | more stuff, hit reload |
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| 09:23.30 | alexrait1 | sometimes I try to upgrade my debian sid and get an error with some package. When I try to install another package it will first try to setup the problematic one, and will exit before my good package is installed |
| 09:23.32 | asuffield | probably. not by a massive amount, though |
| 09:24.00 | alexrait1 | is there a way to overcome this? |
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| 09:24.18 | bob2 | alexrait1: as a sid user, you're a beta-tester |
| 09:24.24 | bob2 | alexrait1: so file a bug |
| 09:24.35 | Guerin | Xteven: no idea. |
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| 09:24.47 | alexrait1 | bob2, I don't care about the bug itself. I just want to install another package and the one that has a bug, but it won't let me to |
| 09:24.55 | asuffield | the horrible cheap chips are really bad though. I've seen everything, from cards that can deliver 44kHz only in mono, to cards that can deliver nothing but 48kHz |
| 09:24.57 | bob2 | awesome |
| 09:25.05 | bob2 | good thing you're using sid then! |
| 09:25.14 | bob2 | also, good of you not to mention what package the bug was in |
| 09:25.16 | Guerin | alexrait1: you can remove the broken package, you know. of try to fix what it freaks about. Or ust not use sid. |
| 09:25.17 | bob2 | or what it was |
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| 09:25.21 | bob2 | or what it printed |
| 09:25.24 | bob2 | or how it happened |
| 09:25.26 | walaoa | ok, guys, balsa seem to work well with the gok, except that i can't find a way to increase the font size, anyone can tell me offhand? |
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| 09:25.28 | bob2 | or what you tried |
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| 09:25.29 | bob2 | etc |
| 09:25.34 | bibe | Hi all. Anyone is using tomcat5 (from unstable) on a Sarge install? |
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| 09:25.43 | sussudio | http://www.boners.com/grub/792876.html < that's quite a crappy desk |
| 09:25.44 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 09:25.44 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:25.44 | alexrait1 | Guerin, oh man.. what's the problem with sid.. it's a question about apt-get and dpkg in general |
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| 09:25.49 | henrik_ | asuffield: I'm dreaming of a Delta Audiophile 2496... But I guess I have to stick with this card for a while... :( |
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| 09:25.54 | bob2 | alexrait1: the solution is to fix the package |
| 09:26.00 | bob2 | alexrait1: apt will not work until you do |
| 09:26.06 | sussudio | you'd need more than a keyboard to get through mine. |
| 09:26.09 | bob2 | alexrait1: by using sid, you agree to file bugs and not whinge on IRC when it breaks |
| 09:26.13 | mr_claus | morning, i try to upgrade from postgres-7.4.6 to 7.4.7 and i was aked for a password during installation/upgrade, which password is aked here? |
| 09:26.16 | Guerin | alexrait1: man apt-get; why the FUCK are you using sid without understanding the most fundamental things about the debian packaging tools/ |
| 09:26.16 | rutski89 | I have a massive ammount of files with random names, i want to rename them like this: 1.jpg, 2.jpg, 3.jpg, is there any fast way to do this? |
| 09:26.20 | bob2 | alexrait1: perhaps just removing it will be enough, perhaps not |
| 09:26.30 | alexrait1 | can't remove it... |
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| 09:26.35 | alexrait1 | it's libc6 |
| 09:26.44 | Guerin | rutski89: for loop and seq; #bash |
| 09:26.53 | Guerin | alexrait1: hahaha |
| 09:26.58 | bob2 | rutski89: j=0 ; for i in * ; do mv $i $j.jpg ; j = $j + 1; done |
| 09:27.03 | bob2 | alexrait1: please tell us you're kidding |
| 09:27.10 | alexrait1 | really...:) |
| 09:27.25 | alexrait1 | I guess someday it will be fixed... |
| 09:27.29 | rutski89 | bob2: j=0 ; for i in * ; do mv $i $j.jpg ; j = $j + 1; done |
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| 09:27.38 | rutski89 | bob2: -bash: j: command not found |
| 09:27.41 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.42 | bob2 | __ _____| | ___ ___ _ __ ___ ___ | |_ ___ ___(_) __| | |
| 09:27.42 | bob2 | \ \ /\ / / _ \ |/ __/ _ \| '_ ` _ \ / _ \ | __/ _ \ / __| |/ _` | |
| 09:27.42 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.42 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:27.53 | Gil_ | bob2: haha |
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| 09:27.57 | drac | bob2: hahah |
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| 09:27.58 | rutski89 | hehe |
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| 09:28.05 | Guerin | funniest thing by an op EVAR |
| 09:28.05 | bob2 | rutski89: #bash |
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| 09:28.12 | bob2 | sorry, couldn't resist ;p |
| 09:28.15 | asuffield | bob2: suck my goat |
| 09:28.16 | rutski89 | bob2: hehe, yea, thanks for the help :) |
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| 09:28.17 | walaoa | bob2: what grahics is that? |
| 09:28.19 | alexrait1 | I am using sid for 3 years and really I don't care about bugs that much... and I don't care if the system get's broken |
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| 09:28.35 | sussudio | what was that supposed to be? |
| 09:28.39 | bob2 | walaoa: figlet |
| 09:28.58 | bob2 | rutski89: I'm too tired to figure out what I did wrong |
| 09:29.02 | bob2 | it's close to right tho |
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| 09:29.29 | asuffield | bob2: mindless insertion of whitespace |
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| 09:29.37 | asuffield | you can't do that in shell. do not fuck with the whitespace |
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| 09:29.55 | Guerin | !bob2 loses it is <reply> see http://feayn.org/~lewis/bob2losesit.png |
| 09:29.55 | bob2 | ah |
| 09:29.56 | dpkg | Guerin: what are you talking about? |
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| 09:30.34 | asuffield | also you can't do arithmatic like that |
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| 09:30.48 | bob2 | oh yeah |
| 09:30.49 | asuffield | in fact it was complete gibberish |
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| 09:30.53 | bob2 | I hate sh |
| 09:30.56 | bob2 | I could do it in zsh |
| 09:31.01 | asuffield | stop writing php in sh |
| 09:31.23 | bob2 | Gil_: if you're bored, come to toast |
| 09:31.27 | s-toned | bob2: (( $j=$j+1 )) |
| 09:31.33 | bob2 | asuffield: would you prefer the python version? |
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| 09:31.38 | Gil_ | bob2: when are you going? |
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| 09:31.50 | bob2 | Gil_: erk, now |
| 09:31.53 | asuffield | s-toned: that is also gibberish |
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| 09:32.03 | asuffield | like some sick crossbreed of lisp and perl |
| 09:32.04 | walaoa | i do a apt search for "gnome chat" and there is a fidelio, described as "gnome Hotline client". what's that? |
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| 09:32.19 | Gil_ | bob2: I may see you out there! |
| 09:32.22 | bob2 | Gil_: woo |
| 09:32.26 | Guerin | walaoa: i'd guess it's a gnome hotline client |
| 09:32.30 | s-toned | asuffield: no, it works with that modification |
| 09:32.32 | Thunder00 | I installed the base system. Now i want to get xorg with gnome and kde .. how shall I get them via apt-get ? |
| 09:32.34 | bob2 | walaoa: you haven't actually defined what you mean by "chat" |
| 09:32.41 | bob2 | walaoa: if you mean irc, then get xchat |
| 09:32.47 | bob2 | if you don't know what hotline is, you don't want it |
| 09:32.49 | asuffield | s-toned: it bloody well does not |
| 09:32.52 | walaoa | Guerin, hotline client is not chat client, is it? |
| 09:32.59 | bob2 | Thunder00: sudo aptitude install x-window-system-core gnome kde |
| 09:33.04 | Guerin | walaoa: at this point, you're demonstrating that you're too stupid even for gnome |
| 09:33.14 | Guerin | this takes some doing; congratulations |
| 09:33.22 | asuffield | you do arithmatic in shell like *this*: j=$(($j + 1)) |
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| 09:33.30 | s-toned | asuffield: it does here, I just tried it out (bash) |
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| 09:33.45 | bob2 | walaoa: "chat" does not mean anything in particular. you need to tell us what network you're hoping to use. |
| 09:33.45 | asuffield | you cannot randomly omit or insert $ signs, nor can you move the parentheses |
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| 09:34.34 | walaoa | bob2: thks for your repeated suggestion of xchat. i am testing a gnome-based on-screen keyboard. it works well with gnome-base apps. and xchat fails in that respect. |
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| 09:34.44 | Thunder00 | bob2 : x-window-system-core .. is x.org ? |
| 09:34.49 | bob2 | walaoa: so, perhaps you should actually listen to my suggestion |
| 09:34.53 | bob2 | Thunder00: on sarge" no. |
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| 09:35.08 | asuffield | s-toned: yours expands to (( 2=2+1 )), which opens two subshells and then attempts to assign to the integer 2, which is nonsense and also a syntax error |
| 09:35.13 | bob2 | walaoa: what is your native language, btw? perhaps another channel would be easier to follow... |
| 09:35.19 | Thunder00 | Does testing have x.org ? |
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| 09:35.34 | skate | Thunder00: /topic |
| 09:35.34 | asuffield | or whatever value j had on entry |
| 09:35.37 | SimonRaven | hit reload |
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| 09:35.44 | Guerin | Thunder00: you asked this less than 24 hours ago, and the answer is the same now as it was then |
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| 09:36.27 | henrik_ | asuffield: Now I've tried to change the sample rate, but with the same result. |
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| 09:36.51 | sep | Thunder00, READ thisone http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xserver-xorg |
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| 09:37.00 | walaoa | bob2: i don't think we have a language problem here. it is clear cut. you said xchat, i said no. it won't work and i have tried it. simple English. i get it. don't you? |
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| 09:37.12 | jono | if I use netstat -tv | grep 8000 | wc -l it hangs when there are no connections, is there a way to prevent this and simply return 0 ? |
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| 09:37.18 | Thunder00 | thanks |
| 09:37.23 | Xteven | Guerin : thx for the info :) |
| 09:37.23 | bob2 | 19:33:44 bob2 | walaoa: "chat" does not mean anything in particular. you need to tell us what network you're hoping to use. |
| 09:37.30 | bob2 | walaoa: that's the comment you continue to ignore |
| 09:37.31 | Yokalosh | does anyone know how to network windows 98 with debian? |
| 09:37.40 | Guerin | Yokalosh: the debian side is easy |
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| 09:37.52 | Eclipser | windows side isn't hard either :) |
| 09:37.56 | iLLf8d | lo all is there any way to query the packaging for the latest kernel source deb? ie is there some kinda kernel-source-2.4 or 2.6-current query I can do? |
| 09:37.59 | Gil_ | !tell Yokalosh about samba |
| 09:38.04 | Reilithion | Does the unix version of Yahoo Messenger support webcams and audio chat? |
| 09:38.05 | Guerin | Yokalosh: in theory, win98 speaks tcp/ip, so that shouldn't present too many difficulties |
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| 09:38.09 | iLLf8d | something to automate kernel builds |
| 09:38.12 | bob2 | iLLf8d: apt-cache search linux-source-2.6 |
| 09:38.16 | Guerin | Reilithion: ask yahoo, how the fuck should we know? |
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| 09:38.27 | Guerin | iLLf8d: make-kpkg and cron |
| 09:38.32 | Yokalosh | i have 2 network cards, one that connects me to my home network where my internet comes in, and i was hoping to connect my second network card to the win 98 pc and share the internet conection over that |
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| 09:38.38 | Yokalosh | is that possible? |
| 09:38.47 | Gil_ | Yokalosh: yes, it's possible |
| 09:38.50 | Guerin | Yokalosh: sure |
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| 09:39.07 | Eclipser | over win98? |
| 09:39.07 | Guerin | Yokalosh: which machine is directly connected to the internet? |
| 09:39.08 | walaoa | bob2: when i use xchat, i chose freenode, is that what you mean by network? |
| 09:39.09 | asuffield | henrik_: no more ideas offhand, fiddle with some of the other settings in there and see if anything changes |
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| 09:39.19 | Reilithion | Guerin: I could have asked, "Does anyone here use Yahoo Messenger?" or "Who knows if Yahoo Messenger under linux supports webcams?" but that is rather bad form for this channel, isn't it? |
| 09:39.23 | Eclipser | I'd put the debian box directly connected to internet |
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| 09:39.27 | iLLf8d | cool didn't know linux-source-2.6 would giveme the latest very nice! |
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| 09:39.36 | Guerin | Reilithion: yes, as is asking about ANY non-free tardware application |
| 09:39.44 | Gil_ | Eclipser: is it ADSL? |
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| 09:39.52 | Moustache | hi |
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| 09:39.59 | Yokalosh | guerin: neither my internet comes through eth0 from the router |
| 09:40.06 | Moustache | hmm strange did a mistake |
| 09:40.08 | FlopsyPete | iLLf8d: its a new feature that |
| 09:40.25 | Guerin | Eclipser: aptitude install ipmasq; then give the win98 box the ip of the debian box as a gateway |
| 09:40.25 | BobbyGrace | is there any easy way to control the processor voltage with powernow daemon ? the man page says powernowd can be used to control voltage, but it says nothing about how.... |
| 09:40.27 | Gil_ | Yokalosh: is it ADSL? |
| 09:40.27 | Eclipser | Gil_, that wasn't really a problem description or anything |
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| 09:40.36 | Gil_ | Eclipser: sorry, wrong guy ;) |
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| 09:40.39 | Eclipser | .) |
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| 09:40.51 | iLLf8d | FlopsyPete: ah cool I've used kernelpackage and those sources before just never tried to automate it at any level |
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| 09:40.58 | Guerin | Yokalosh: my errant advice above stands |
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| 09:41.09 | Reilithion | Ok, then. Is there a free application that will allow me to webcam chat the Yahoo way? |
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| 09:41.36 | nvz | Reilithion: not in debian but there are some available. |
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| 09:41.43 | iLLf8d | is there any sid upgrade tracking control also? ie for days when sid upgrades break major things does it still allow an upgrade (like it has in the past)? |
| 09:41.50 | walaoa | bob2: is this network so important. when i use gaim, i do not even have to choose network. |
| 09:42.07 | syuusuke | quick simple question, which one is better for themes? fluxbox or blackbox? or do they both pretty much do the same thing? |
| 09:42.08 | Guerin | Reilithion: gaim-vv might, but it depends how much yahoo have ruined h.323. I suggest you use gnome-meeting, and tell the wintards on the other end to use netmeeting, which is a relatively straightforward h.323 client |
| 09:42.10 | Yokalosh | gil_: my internet or my router? |
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| 09:42.31 | Guerin | iLLf8d: apt-listbugs |
| 09:42.33 | s-toned | asuffield: echo aaa>a;echo bbb>b;echo ccc>c;echo ddd>d;echo eee>e;ls;cat [abcde];j=0 ; for i in * ; do mv $i $j.jpg ; (( j = $j + 1 )); done;ls;cat [01234]* |
| 09:42.34 | Gil_ | Yokalosh: your Internet.. how do you connect to the Internet? |
| 09:42.35 | Yokalosh | i have cable broadband plugged into a linksys wireless-g router |
| 09:42.35 | iLLf8d | syuusuke: flux and openbox have nicer themes |
| 09:42.50 | ledet | syuusuke: well, fluxbox is a fork off blackbox |
| 09:43.01 | ledet | syuusuke: i would think, that flxbox has more stuff |
| 09:43.05 | syuusuke | oh so i should go with fluxbox then |
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| 09:43.09 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:43.10 | syuusuke | ok thanks for the advice |
| 09:43.22 | Guerin | install all the *boxen, they're half a meg each |
| 09:43.27 | Gil_ | Yokalosh: the wireless router should do all the internet sharing for you |
| 09:43.31 | ledet | syuusuke: or try both and make up you own mind |
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| 09:43.49 | Eclipser | another boring day at work... |
| 09:43.49 | Yokalosh | i know, but i cant directly plug in windows 98 pc into it |
| 09:43.50 | hackeron | Guerin: hey, I'm just messing with rtorrent and I cant get it to resume torrent downloads after I restart it, any ideas? |
| 09:43.58 | Guerin | hackeron: why not? |
| 09:44.01 | skate | why not install both fluxbox and blackbox? |
| 09:44.03 | asuffield | s-toned: that is not even close to what you typed before |
| 09:44.05 | Guerin | hackeron: what error does it give? |
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| 09:44.29 | Yokalosh | it has to go through my pc a)i dont have another hole in my wall to plug it into b) i dont have a wireless card |
| 09:44.37 | Gil_ | Yokalosh: aah :) |
| 09:44.44 | hackeron | Guerin: no error, its just every time I press alt+q to quit and restart, my download queue is empty |
| 09:44.45 | Mortalman | The mushrooms are starting to wear off. |
| 09:44.49 | syuusuke | haha, i wish but no time right now. its like 5 am and i'm half asleep :) |
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| 09:44.58 | hackeron | Corlis: ctrl+q I mean |
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| 09:45.02 | hackeron | Corlis: woops, thats to Guerin |
| 09:45.03 | nvz | asuffield: he may be a little stoned |
| 09:45.04 | Yokalosh | Gil_: yup |
| 09:45.10 | s-toned | asuffield: I typed only the difference to bob2 : the (( )) around the arithmetics |
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| 09:45.14 | Guerin | hackeron: i don't use the session management stuff; I just run rtorrent *.torrent, or add the torrests I want to resyume manually |
| 09:45.23 | skate | fluxbox probably takes about 30 seconds to install |
| 09:45.25 | Yokalosh | Gil_: do you know what to do about that? |
| 09:45.26 | skate | as does blackbox |
| 09:45.29 | walaoa | bob2: where are you? still around? i'll have to quit soon. |
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| 09:45.58 | asuffield | s-toned: you did not. furthermore I explained to you why yours wouldn't work and showed you how to do it properly. don't write shell while stoned |
| 09:46.03 | Reilithion | Guerin: I don't see gaim-vv on packages.debian.org. Can you point me in the right direction, please? |
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| 09:46.04 | Gil_ | Yokalosh: you're probably best off using the ethernet card in your debian machine as a bridge between your win98 PC and the wireless network |
| 09:46.04 | hackeron | Guerin: ah, I see. |
| 09:46.04 | syuusuke | oh, if thats the case then i'll do both |
| 09:46.13 | Guerin | Reilithion: google it |
| 09:46.19 | Reilithion | k |
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| 09:46.33 | Guerin | Reilithion: it's a fork, but not packages for debian as yet. Some debian dev made some unofficial packages, though |
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| 09:46.58 | Yokalosh | Gil_: its not wireless.... just so u know, i dont actually have a wireless connection, i use cables still |
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| 09:47.47 | poncho | Hello.! |
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| 09:49.39 | Reilithion | Guerin: is this a plugin for gaim, or is it an entirely distinct application? |
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| 09:51.03 | Xteven | are all of these people joining and leavind, spambots ? |
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| 09:51.17 | asuffield | pretty much |
| 09:51.21 | Xteven | :( |
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| 09:51.25 | Xteven | thats sick |
| 09:51.28 | Reilithion | sad, huh? |
| 09:51.32 | Reilithion | !feelings |
| 09:51.34 | Xteven | indeed |
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| 09:51.46 | BobbyGrace | IS there any way to control processor voltage with powernowd ? |
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| 09:51.55 | _jchaoul | Anyone aware of how exactly do you input non-english in an editor, vim for example? |
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| 09:52.33 | Xteven | _jchaoul : you can enter non-ascii in vim by pressing ctrl-v and then pressing whatever you want |
| 09:52.34 | eye69 | _jchaoul: You're talking unicode? |
| 09:52.40 | Xteven | hmm :) |
| 09:52.52 | Mortalman | Copyright © 2005 Nobody. |
| 09:53.02 | Guerin | Reilithion: it's a different app |
| 09:53.02 | penny | uniball? |
| 09:53.16 | Guerin | !nospambot |
| 09:53.17 | dpkg | i guess nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds |
| 09:53.17 | Reilithion | thanks, Guerin |
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| 09:53.51 | Guerin | BobbyGrace: that's something that should be controlled by motherboard jumpers |
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| 09:56.14 | Xteven | it seems to me like alot of these spambots use the same IP's |
| 09:56.24 | Reilithion | Maria! I just met a girl named Maria! |
| 09:56.38 | Reilithion | oh wait. this isn't #musical |
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| 09:56.45 | Xteven | hm :) |
| 09:56.47 | Guerin | ... |
| 09:57.30 | BobbyGrace | !powernowd |
| 09:57.46 | Reilithion | I think I'm one of those rare people who can get drunk off of /not/ taking anything. |
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| 09:59.29 | jimi_ | is there anyway of going back to an older version of gcc? |
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| 09:59.29 | Reilithion | Guerin: I doubt it. I suspect he's just going to ignore it and hope against hope that there's some software way to mess with motherboard voltages |
| 09:59.39 | jan____ | hmm, when I try to scp something, i get this: setterm: $TERM is not defined. |
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| 10:00.03 | jan____ | and then it echo'es "librecode0 libruby1.8 libsm6 libss2 libtasn1-2 libtiff4 libusb-0.1-4 libuuid1 libxext6" , really weird |
| 10:00.04 | Trewas | there certainly is some software way to change processor voltages, at least windows is doing it with amd64 |
| 10:00.09 | Guerin | jan____: export TERM=xterm |
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| 10:00.41 | jan____ | Guerin: nah, doesn't fix it, i think it's something on the other sied |
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| 10:00.43 | jan____ | *side |
| 10:00.47 | beli | hi there |
| 10:00.53 | Guerin | jan____: contact the admin |
| 10:00.56 | beli | is there a sendmail+tls howto for debian? |
| 10:01.03 | jimi_ | can gcc 3.4 and 4 be installed at the same time? |
| 10:01.05 | jan____ | Guerin: I _am_ the admin ;-) |
| 10:01.19 | Guerin | beli: if you need a howto, you're not ready for sendmail |
| 10:01.29 | tjrobb | speaking of amd64.. can anyone help me get x working on unstable with a radeon x300 ati video card? |
| 10:01.29 | Guerin | jan____: 1 |
| 10:01.32 | Guerin | jimi_: 1 |
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| 10:01.38 | Guerin | jimi_: oh. |
| 10:01.39 | beli | Guerin: bleh |
| 10:01.53 | asuffield | jan____: I'd be looking for something crazy in the login scripts |
| 10:01.56 | beli | Guerin: i know sendmail, but i don't want to break paths with debian...cause i don't know debian |
| 10:02.15 | Reilithion | hey, what's that multiple console login thing where you can be logged in on the console, and then you press Alt-F3 or Alt-F6 or any of the F's, and it'll give you another login prompt. Like multiple tesktops for console.? |
| 10:02.17 | jan____ | asuffield: like a 'tail' ? |
| 10:02.25 | Guerin | beli: debian's changes are documented in /usr/share/doc/sendmail/README.Debian |
| 10:02.30 | beli | thanks |
| 10:02.41 | asuffield | jan____: no idea, it looks pretty freaky to me |
| 10:03.09 | jimi_ | geurin: so i have to remove 4.0, then install 3.4 to compile 2.6.11 kernel? |
| 10:03.17 | Guerin | jimi_: no |
| 10:03.27 | Guerin | !wayc jimi_ |
| 10:03.27 | dpkg | jimi_: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 10:03.36 | jimi_ | acpi support |
| 10:03.43 | Guerin | jimi_: it's in debain kernels |
| 10:03.50 | Guerin | and debian kernels too |
| 10:03.56 | nvz | whats wrong with the acpi in the debian kernel? |
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| 10:04.14 | jimi_ | the pre-compiled ones? it didnt support my battery power levels |
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| 10:04.54 | jimi_ | i got a recompiled version of 2.6.11 going a couple of months ago, but now i cant recompile - i think its because i installed gcc4.0 |
| 10:05.06 | Guerin | jimi_: yeh |
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| 10:05.26 | Guerin | jimi_: export CC=gcc-3.4 |
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| 10:05.38 | Reilithion | ever notice how much harder it is to type with a cat on your keyboard? |
| 10:05.41 | Guerin | there's another env variable, too, but i cannae remember it |
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| 10:05.57 | asuffield | Reilithion: you think that's hard? put the cat on your head |
| 10:06.06 | Reilithion | aww! kitty! |
| 10:06.14 | debianuser | hello, how can i test the internet bandwidh between 2 hosts ? |
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| 10:06.24 | nvz | =^..^= . o O ( meow... ) |
| 10:06.32 | jimi_ | Guerin: cheers, ill give it a go |
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| 10:06.49 | Guerin | debianuser: transfer a known-size file between them using rsync --progress |
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| 10:07.01 | jm_ | you can use dd + nc, dd reports the rate |
| 10:07.07 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 10:07.07 | tjrobb | I was real excited to get a new amd64 processor computer and I talked my wife into letting me put linux (debian) on it.. now I can't get x running .. and the wife wants to browse.. and lynx isnt cutting it.. any suggestions? |
| 10:07.22 | jm_ | hah |
| 10:07.24 | Guerin | !tell tjrobb about set up x |
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| 10:07.39 | jm_ | mgith need updated X, i.e. x.or |
| 10:07.40 | asuffield | I suggest somebody is going to be sleeping outside |
| 10:07.41 | jm_ | org* |
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| 10:07.46 | Kernel_co | is there any free cpanel like ensim available under for debian ?! |
| 10:08.03 | fireba11 | re-compile your wife ;-) |
| 10:08.08 | jimi_ | haha |
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| 10:08.29 | Guerin | !qotd64 |
| 10:08.30 | dpkg | <jeanpoldeux> How can I know if the cpu of my girlfriend is a 386 or a 586? <greycat> jeanpoldeux: it's proprietary. |
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| 10:09.11 | nvz | I think I was here when he asked that question. I didnt get it then or now. |
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| 10:09.26 | jm_ | nvz: get the answer? |
| 10:09.42 | nvz | jm_: either |
| 10:09.48 | Guerin | nvz: the cpu of my girlfriend == my girlfriend's cpu |
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| 10:10.03 | Guerin | it's just a direct translation from the french genitive case into english |
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| 10:10.16 | nvz | oh |
| 10:10.22 | jm_ | her cpu, not her computer's |
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| 10:10.43 | Guerin | well, that's greycat's joke |
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| 10:10.49 | jm_ | yeah |
| 10:10.58 | ShaolinTiger | joke in a very loose sense of the word |
| 10:11.03 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:11.23 | nvz | was more of a play on the words lost in translation |
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| 10:11.30 | Guerin | no |
| 10:11.34 | Guerin | there was no play on words |
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| 10:11.42 | Guerin | the only joke was in the translated version |
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| 10:13.15 | ubuntUser | hello:I've got 12.GHz and 256MB RAM, i installed debian, and my system is slow in some cases (ex. when I open 3 firefoxes) top shows that then my ram is about 3MB free. If I buy more RAM will I get system speed up? |
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| 10:13.40 | fireba11 | hm .. in german u can put the words in a whole lot of different orders without violating grammar rules ... so i usually don't notice |
| 10:13.44 | nvz | wow like the only person in the world with a 12ghz only has 256MB ram |
| 10:13.44 | ubuntUser | 1.2* |
| 10:13.51 | skate | why, the fuck, would you have 3 firefoxes open in the first place. |
| 10:13.54 | ubuntUser | sorry mistake |
| 10:13.55 | ubuntUser | :D |
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| 10:14.10 | fireba11 | ubuntUser: u got a appropriate kernel installed right ? |
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| 10:14.40 | ubuntUser | actually I have 2.6.10-5 |
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| 10:14.47 | ubuntUser | that's first |
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| 10:15.01 | ubuntUser | secondly i mean 3 tabs;p |
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| 10:15.05 | ubuntUser | in firefox |
| 10:15.10 | Corlis | fireba11: Du Müll doch redest... Nicht tun das geht :) |
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| 10:15.38 | ubuntUser | and when I stare xine-ui it's very slow sometimes |
| 10:15.39 | skate | ubuntUser: what happens when you use a browser that _doesn't_ suck. |
| 10:15.46 | fireba11 | ubuntUser: 2.6.10-5 compiled for 686 ? for K7 ? for 386 ? |
| 10:16.00 | ubuntUser | fireball: hmmm |
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| 10:16.13 | ubuntUser | how can I find out? |
| 10:16.14 | ubuntUser | :> |
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| 10:16.43 | Guerin | ubuntUser: you're not using debian |
| 10:16.47 | SimonRaven | meh, i hate it when that happens |
| 10:16.48 | skate | ubuntUser: you're on 2.6.10-5-386 |
| 10:16.56 | ubuntUser | exactly |
| 10:16.57 | ShaolinTiger | no shit thats why he's called ubuntUser |
| 10:17.01 | ShaolinTiger | he's using |
| 10:17.03 | Guerin | !ubuntu |
| 10:17.03 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 10:17.03 | ShaolinTiger | UBUNUT |
| 10:17.04 | ubuntUser | but ubuntu is based on debian |
| 10:17.13 | Guerin | !ubuntusmite ubuntUser |
| 10:17.15 | skate | we don't help with fake debian. |
| 10:17.28 | Guerin | ubuntUser: please to be asking your questions in #ubuntu |
| 10:17.36 | ubuntUser | so i thought that you're smarter than those *ucks on ubuntu channel |
| 10:17.37 | Guerin | skate: s/don't/can't/ |
| 10:17.39 | SimonRaven | we can't. that simple. you get a debian answer |
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| 10:17.55 | Guerin | ubuntUser: well, you clearly aren't, otherwise you'd actually be using debian. |
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| 10:18.25 | ubuntUser | but as far as questioned there I don't get answare |
| 10:18.32 | Reilithion | !start a distro war |
| 10:18.33 | dpkg | Gentoo rocks! |
| 10:18.33 | Guerin | !piav |
| 10:18.34 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 10:18.36 | skate | uh, so that means ask in here? |
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| 10:18.39 | SimonRaven | so? tough. wait for it |
| 10:18.43 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 10:18.43 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 10:18.50 | Guerin | see? we get this CONSTANTLY |
| 10:18.58 | fireba11 | so get debian and you will get answers :-) |
| 10:19.01 | Guerin | aww |
| 10:19.02 | skate | dpkg: i just skullfucked you |
| 10:19.08 | skate | dpkg hates meh |
| 10:19.08 | Guerin | !factinfo they don't know |
| 10:19.08 | dpkg | they don't know -- created by greycat <~wooledg@192.35.79.70> at Tue Mar 1 17:31:45 2005 (184 days); it has been requested 138 times, last by Guerin, 25s ago. |
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| 10:19.12 | ubuntUser | ok im off now |
| 10:19.14 | Guerin | someone edited it |
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| 10:19.28 | Guerin | !they don't know =~ s/people/morons/ |
| 10:19.28 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 10:19.28 | jethro | @they don't know |
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| 10:19.29 | ravenbird | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 10:19.33 | Guerin | that's better :) |
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| 10:20.01 | ShaolinTiger | implying everyone that doesn't use debian is a moron |
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| 10:20.18 | skate | how does that come even close to implying that? |
| 10:20.35 | SimonRaven | @they don't know =~ s/morons/people/ |
| 10:20.36 | Guerin | ShaolinTiger: no, the fact that they can't answer the on-topic questions in their own channel makes chances likely that they're morons |
| 10:20.37 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: OK |
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| 10:21.08 | ShaolinTiger | likely yes, but perhaps it's not a debian derivative channel, the channel might be gnu or #butterflies doesn't make them morons |
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| 10:21.22 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:21.23 | ibitox | hola/hi |
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| 10:21.49 | tjrobb | how do you go back up the chat to see what was typed previously.. im a simple caveman and this technology confuses and confounds me.. |
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| 10:22.01 | eye69 | tjrobb: Try PgUP |
| 10:22.18 | ibitox | I cant get working my riptide sound card on ubuntu |
| 10:22.24 | skate | jesus |
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| 10:22.29 | Guerin | tjrobb: /lastlog badgers will show all lines containing 'badgers' |
| 10:22.29 | ShaolinTiger | that's a shame ibitox |
| 10:22.30 | ibitox | can someone help me? |
| 10:22.31 | streuner | #ubuntu |
| 10:22.32 | skate | DOES THIS CHANNEL SAY #ubuntu?????????? |
| 10:22.39 | Guerin | ibitox: why should we give a good goddamn? |
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| 10:22.42 | streuner | ibitox: /topic |
| 10:22.45 | skate | how many ubuntu users are going to accidentally join #debian today? |
| 10:22.54 | streuner | well |
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| 10:22.59 | Guerin | skate: no more than yesterday |
| 10:23.00 | jm_ | too many |
| 10:23.00 | Reilithion | !ubuntusmite ibitox |
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| 10:23.02 | ibitox | thanks |
| 10:23.06 | ibitox | sorry |
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| 10:23.26 | streuner | ibitox: just install debian... |
| 10:23.43 | xsquared | hi, where can i find out how long until a package is ready for testing? |
| 10:23.50 | xsquared | i found a website somewhere |
| 10:24.13 | Guerin | xsquared: 10 days + no bugs + all deps ready |
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| 10:24.21 | Guerin | !why is foo not in testing |
| 10:24.22 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foo |
| 10:24.25 | Corlis | hrmpf... My installation will take 6 hours.... 5.5 to copy data from one ntfs to another, and .5 for installing debian... |
| 10:24.27 | Guerin | that's the script which tells you |
| 10:24.33 | xsquared | Guerin: thats the site... Thanks! |
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| 10:26.13 | johnny06 | can i use this apt.source.list on debian sarge 3.1 or is it no advised to http://pastebin.com/352648 |
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| 10:26.29 | xsquared | Guerin: whats it mean by this? (#flood) |
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| 10:26.55 | jm_ | JohnnyST: yes |
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| 10:27.06 | jm_ | bah |
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| 10:27.17 | jm_ | johnny06: don't uncomment the ones saying testing or unstable |
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| 10:27.45 | johnny06 | they shouls=d stay commented then |
| 10:28.00 | Reilithion | !qotd25 |
| 10:28.01 | dpkg | <ananke> erps : here. let me rub my crystal ball. <erps> ananke, awesome, can I borrow that? :) <ananke> erps : nope. company policy, we can't give away our crystall balls. <erps> ahhh :( But I assume you let special people rub them for you? <ananke> erps : you're not that special |
| 10:28.15 | skate | haha |
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| 10:28.29 | Guerin | xsquared: I don't do #flood; put it on paster |
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| 10:28.40 | xsquared | Guerin: alright |
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| 10:29.11 | SimonRaven | hit reload people |
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| 10:29.49 | Morti | Anyone know how I could have a screen automagically attached when a user logs in? |
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| 10:30.21 | jimi_ | hey guerin what was that export command to change c compiler to 3.4? export CC=3.4 ? |
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| 10:30.33 | jimi_ | i had to reboot |
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| 10:30.48 | Guerin | jimi_: gcc-3.4 |
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| 10:30.51 | ma3x | is there a way to rename 100 .ext files to .ext2? |
| 10:30.51 | jm_ | important lesson learned - write things down |
| 10:30.56 | jm_ | ma3x: yes |
| 10:31.03 | Guerin | ma3x: yes |
| 10:31.05 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:31.07 | jimi_ | Guerin: thx |
| 10:31.09 | ma3x | :) |
| 10:31.11 | Guerin | ma3x: man rename |
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| 10:31.16 | jm_ | man mmv |
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| 10:31.23 | xsquared | Guerin: http://channels.debian.net/paste/631 |
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| 10:31.56 | Guerin | xsquared: what's unclear about that? |
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| 10:32.17 | xsquared | Guerin: if its going in today, does it happen instantly? |
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| 10:32.26 | tjrobb | Thanks for the help.. still no luck.. the log isnt very descriptive.. "no screens found" .. Im willing to pay someone and I can give them ssh access.. is there a way I could hire someone to get this working for me? |
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| 10:32.42 | jm_ | tjrobb: paste the logfile on paste site (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 10:32.46 | Guerin | !katie |
| 10:32.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, katie is who I seek to emulate, or the daemon in the Debian archive system that processes new packages and inserts them into the archive. It runs at 1952 UTC daily. the women.kde.org mascot, or 166.82.1.7 |
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| 10:32.53 | Guerin | xsquared: in theory, after katie |
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| 10:33.03 | ravo | i want to be able to download all files .jpg under url: http://www.mac-1mail.com/hj/ so i was thinking wget -r -np -nH -nd http://www.mac-1mail.com/hj -- but thisj ust errors with a 404, is there a way of doing this ? |
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| 10:33.19 | xsquared | Guerin: okay, thanks |
| 10:33.21 | streuner | tjrobb: if you want do a good thing spent the money to debian |
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| 10:33.32 | streuner | tjrobb: www.debian.org |
| 10:33.41 | streuner | tjrobb: what videocard do you have? |
| 10:33.57 | tjrobb | ati x300 radeon.. !! |
| 10:34.05 | streuner | laptop? |
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| 10:34.12 | tjrobb | desktop |
| 10:34.22 | Guerin | !x300 |
| 10:34.25 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:34.29 | jimi_ | Guerin: gcc -v still returns 4.01 |
| 10:34.31 | litage | what are you supposed to do when you've unmounted your cd-rom, but the drive refuses to open? |
| 10:34.35 | tjrobb | im excited.. its the best machine Ive ever had |
| 10:34.35 | streuner | tjrobb: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i VGA' say? |
| 10:34.40 | skate | litage: eject |
| 10:34.40 | Guerin | i'm not sure if that's supported by xfree |
| 10:34.43 | streuner | !listkeys x300 |
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| 10:34.44 | Guerin | jimi_: yes. |
| 10:34.45 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'x300' by key returned no results. |
| 10:34.50 | streuner | !listvals x300 |
| 10:34.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'x300' by value returned no results. |
| 10:35.18 | Guerin | !drxx tjrobb |
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| 10:35.19 | dpkg | tjrobb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:35.21 | litage | skate: eject fails: |
| 10:35.25 | Guerin | tjrobb: select 'vesa' and hope |
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| 10:35.41 | Guerin | tjrobb: failing that you may have to install xorg |
| 10:35.51 | saloxin | tjrobb: man radeon <- x300 is supported by radeon driver - 2d only |
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| 10:36.18 | Guerin | saloxin: in what x server version? |
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| 10:36.34 | litage | skate: "eject: trying to eject `/dev/hdc' using tape offline command", "eject: tape offline command failed", "eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument" |
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| 10:36.47 | saloxin | Guerin: uhm, xorg that is :-( |
| 10:36.52 | jimi_ | Guerin: will make-kpkg use 3.4 even though gcc is still pointing to 4.0.1? |
| 10:36.54 | skate | litage: if you can't eject from console, you may have to shove a straightened paperclip in the hole by the tray |
| 10:36.56 | Guerin | saloxin: right ... this is known. |
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| 10:37.15 | litage | hahah |
| 10:37.20 | jm_ | saloxin: not in Sarge |
| 10:37.21 | Guerin | jimi_: if you set the correct environment variables ... CC may work, but there's another one I can't call to mind right now |
| 10:37.24 | ravo | i want to be able to download all files .jpg under url: http://www.mac-1mail.com/hj/ so i was thinking wget -r -np -nH -nd http://www.mac-1mail.com/hj -- but thisj ust errors with a 404, is there a way of doing this ? |
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| 10:37.43 | Guerin | jimi_: the other thing you can do is change the /usr/bin/gcc symlink to point to gcc-3.4 |
| 10:37.46 | tjrobb | how do you go from xserver-xfree86 to xorg? |
| 10:37.52 | Guerin | /usr/bin/gcc-3.4, i mean |
| 10:37.55 | jimi_ | Guerin: ok thanks ill give that a shot |
| 10:37.58 | jm_ | by installing x.org |
| 10:37.59 | ma3x | jm_, could you give me an example for mmv to add .bak to all files without extension? |
| 10:38.03 | skate | tjrobb: if you're running unstable, install it |
| 10:38.05 | tjrobb | apt-get install xorg? |
| 10:38.07 | Guerin | tjrobb: you need to be running unstable, which is unwise. Does vesa work? |
| 10:38.10 | skate | no |
| 10:38.12 | streuner | tjrobb: you could use a backport for sarge |
| 10:38.15 | skate | apt-get install xserver-xorg |
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| 10:38.19 | tjrobb | im running unstable.. |
| 10:38.20 | streuner | !xorg sarge |
| 10:38.20 | dpkg | well, xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
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| 10:38.40 | streuner | tjrobb: wth you running unstable? |
| 10:38.48 | streuner | that's NOT a good idea |
| 10:38.52 | Guerin | tjrobb: aptitude install x-window-system-core, then |
| 10:38.52 | jm_ | ma3x: without extensions? try using '[^.]*' as pattern, use mmv -n when testing things |
| 10:39.03 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:39.11 | Guerin | extensions schmextensions |
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| 10:39.43 | jm_ | ma3x: might be easier to use rename, mmv is sometimes awkward to use |
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| 10:40.10 | ma3x | jm_, so the command would be rename '[^.]*' *.bak ? |
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| 10:40.21 | Guerin | ma3x: man rename |
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| 10:40.32 | streuner | tjrobb: so what does lspci -v | grep VGA say? |
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| 10:40.44 | ma3x | Guerin, just reading it, can't figure out some things. |
| 10:40.46 | jm_ | ma3x: no, use rename, I just realized mmv does shell-style globbing only, it doesn't use regexs |
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| 10:40.55 | ma3x | it says For example, to rename all files matching "*.bak" to strip the extension, you might say rename 's/\.bak$//' *.bak |
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| 10:41.09 | Guerin | ma3x: do you know sed syntax? |
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| 10:41.15 | ma3x | does that mean it will remove .bak from all .bak files? |
| 10:41.17 | Guerin | (clearly not) |
| 10:41.21 | Guerin | yes |
| 10:41.22 | ravo | is there a way to download files under a directory which doesnt have a html page with the links to them ? |
| 10:41.28 | ma3x | I don't know what sed syntax means |
| 10:41.42 | Guerin | ravo: sometimes. |
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| 10:41.52 | tjrobb | if I could figure out how to paste the output of a command to this chat window.. i could give you the output streuner. |
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| 10:42.08 | Guerin | tjrobb: /exec -o lspci|grep VGA |
| 10:42.09 | ma3x | I just want to know how to add .bak to all files without extension |
| 10:42.13 | jm_ | tjrobb: you better not paste here, and you can use screen or gpm for pasting things in console |
| 10:42.27 | tjrobb | 0000:05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5b60 |
| 10:42.32 | Guerin | ma3x: first, you'd need to isolate the files 'without extensions' |
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| 10:42.48 | Guerin | ma3x: bearing in mind that extensions are a fucking worthless windows anachronism |
| 10:42.54 | ravo | Guerin: i just want to download all files under "http://www.mac-1mail.com/hj/" files re called http://www.mac-1mail.com/hj/DSCN6680.jpg etc but instead of going through each one id just like to download them all with wget or something if theres a way? |
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| 10:43.02 | jm_ | tjrobb: install x.org backport |
| 10:43.15 | ma3x | Guerin, they are really file1 file2 file3 with no extensions |
| 10:43.20 | skate | an x.org backport on unstable? |
| 10:43.25 | Guerin | ravo: try lftp -e 'mirror http://foo/bar/' |
| 10:43.29 | Guerin | ravo: or man lftp |
| 10:43.38 | jm_ | I thought he's using stable ... |
| 10:43.45 | tjrobb | nope unstable |
| 10:43.55 | jm_ | then you already have x.org and it should support it |
| 10:44.02 | Guerin | ma3x: so, rename 's/$/.bak/' ./file* |
| 10:44.09 | skate | tjrobb: just try xorg, and backup everything in /etc/X11 |
| 10:44.10 | Guerin | xma3x: if they all have a common prefi |
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| 10:44.12 | skate | what have you got to lose |
| 10:44.12 | Guerin | x |
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| 10:44.43 | tjrobb | how do i switch over to xorg? thanks for the patience |
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| 10:44.46 | skate | apparently he's on unstable that he has not updated, he's still running xfree86 |
| 10:44.54 | skate | tjrobb: i told you already |
| 10:45.00 | ma3x | okay thanks Guerin |
| 10:45.01 | skate | apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 10:45.03 | Guerin | skate: you can run xfree on unstable |
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| 10:45.09 | jm_ | yeah probably hasn't installed x.org server yet |
| 10:45.13 | skate | Guerin? |
| 10:45.15 | skate | i know that |
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| 10:45.26 | skate | he is still on unstable, with xfree86. |
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| 10:45.40 | jethro | skate: you can keep up to date, and still not use xorg |
| 10:45.48 | Guerin | skate: what i'm getting at is that just updating unstable won't necessarily install xorg |
| 10:45.51 | skate | tjrobb: you also need a newer xserver-common but apt should grab that anyway |
| 10:45.55 | Guerin | but yeah, seems you realise that |
| 10:46.06 | skate | yeah i know what you guys mean |
| 10:46.10 | jethro | skate: it's a question of choice. xorg didn't replace xfree |
| 10:46.25 | skate | jethro: i'm not confused about xfree86 or xorg at all. |
| 10:46.26 | Guerin | xfree has lower cpu requirements for rendering |
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| 10:46.32 | Guerin | for one thing |
| 10:46.38 | skate | i'm just trying to explain it so this guy knows what to do |
| 10:46.42 | jethro | skate: "apparently he's on unstable that he has not updated, he's still running xfree86" this is confusing me then |
| 10:46.43 | Guerin | yehyeh |
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| 10:47.38 | skate | ah ok i know what you are saying |
| 10:47.38 | tjrobb | Much closer .. with xorg.. the screen flickered.. but I got the message failed to initialize core devices.. |
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| 10:47.59 | Guerin | wtf @ bobbygrace's /quiyt |
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| 10:48.28 | Guerin | tjrobb: oh, which device? |
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| 10:49.28 | ravo | Guerin, i get a not found when i go to the site via telnet im getting a 302 on the directory? moved temporarily any ideas? |
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| 10:49.45 | Guerin | telnet!!!?!?!11 |
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| 10:50.03 | Guerin | ravo: i'm not sure |
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| 10:50.08 | jm_ | 302 means you probably specified GET /bla instead of GET /bla/ |
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| 10:50.19 | ravo | jm_: good point :) |
| 10:50.34 | Guerin | date |
| 10:50.37 | Guerin | !date |
| 10:50.37 | dpkg | The current date is Fri Sep 2 10:50:37 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 10:50.46 | poncho | !dpkg tell me about http codes |
| 10:50.47 | Guerin | bah, my clox0r is wrong again |
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| 10:51.18 | BeBrA | why openssl is builded without IDEA? |
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| 10:51.40 | iLLf8d | can someone tell me how to remove a package that won't remove? seems apt-get remove --purge and -f remove --purge isn't working for it? |
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| 10:51.44 | Guerin | BeBrA: read /usr/share/doc/openssl/README* |
| 10:51.52 | iLLf8d | I tried a reinstall too |
| 10:51.52 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 10:51.52 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 10:52.45 | ravo | jm_: its weird if i just specify the path /hj/ its a 404 and i can access all files if i know the name e.g DSCN6635.jpg i just want to be able to download all files instead of typing them all in ? |
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| 10:52.57 | iLLf8d | is there a way to remove it by hand and rebuild the package database or something? |
| 10:53.05 | poncho | !aptitude |
| 10:53.05 | dpkg | [aptitude] a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 10:53.06 | ravo | iLLf8d: whats the error |
| 10:53.09 | jm_ | ravo: use lftp |
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| 10:53.29 | iLLf8d | error code 1 |
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| 10:53.43 | iLLf8d | ravo gforge packages |
| 10:53.52 | ravo | jm_: thats what i tried after guerin suggested: lftp -e 'mirror http://www.mac-1mail.com/hj' then it gives a 404 |
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| 10:54.23 | poncho | bye. |
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| 10:54.37 | ravo | jm_: it just says /hj doesnt exist, which i mean theres no html at /hj its just a path, i want to get the files inside that path :/ |
| 10:54.47 | SimonRaven | Ray Nagin interview on CNN http://rapidshare.de/files/4632564/nagin.mp3.html http://simonraven.nuit.ca/media/mp3/nagin.mp3 |
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| 10:54.56 | Guerin | ravo: for file in http://blah.orc/hj/DSCN<really_big_seq_here>.jpg; do wget $file; sleep 10; done |
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| 10:55.23 | ravo | i guess script is onyl way :) |
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| 10:55.32 | Guerin | ravo: lftp can only make a mirror if there's an index available - otherwise you need to know the filenames. Or guess them. |
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| 10:55.48 | ravo | ok so i can try and script it |
| 10:55.52 | Guerin | skate: the guy is a fucking legend |
| 10:55.55 | Guerin | SimonRaven: ^^ |
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| 10:56.41 | jm_ | ravo: then your web server doesn't generate directory listing |
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| 10:57.15 | tgwj | I'm just trying out fluxbox in sid. I installed firefox and it won't appear in the menu ! any ideas ? fluxbox doesn't like the debian menu maybe ? |
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| 10:57.36 | Guerin | tgwj: apt-get install menu |
| 10:57.51 | SynrG | tgwj: you installed firefox while in fluxbox? |
| 10:57.57 | tgwj | yep. |
| 10:58.08 | skate | i think he needs fluxconf |
| 10:58.23 | tgwj | menu is installed. |
| 10:58.51 | tgwj | if flux doesn't respect debian menu changes, I don't think I'll use it any longer... |
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| 10:58.55 | skate | tgwj: you realize you can open the menu and add your own executable entries... |
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| 10:59.09 | Guerin | tgwj: update-menus |
| 10:59.09 | js_ | tgwj: it's supposed to |
| 10:59.13 | SynrG | tgwj: just a general observation ... |
| 10:59.24 | tgwj | skate yes I know I can hand-edit it, but debian has a lovely built-in menu system |
| 10:59.25 | SynrG | tgwj: i have observed not all wms react immediately to menu changes |
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| 10:59.32 | Guerin | i believe update-mmenus is supposed to run on cron |
| 10:59.34 | SynrG | tgwj: in fluxbox, i don't know if this is the case or not |
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| 10:59.43 | skate | tgwj: of course it does, but obviously it doesn't add every app |
| 10:59.49 | SynrG | tgwj: try "Restart" |
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| 11:00.20 | tgwj | I did update-menus as user, restarted fluxbox, did it as root, restarted fluxbox, no go.,.. |
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| 11:00.35 | Corlis | SimonRaven: Looks like firefox doesn't like your recent addition... |
| 11:00.38 | skate | tgwj: look in ~/.fluxbox/init |
| 11:00.44 | SimonRaven | meh |
| 11:00.49 | skate | which menu file is init pointing to |
| 11:00.50 | ravo | Guerin: if i want to do for file http://http://www.mac-1mail.com/hj/DSCN<6635to93>.jpg; do wget $file; sleep 10; done how do i specify 6635->93 do i put it in bracket? DSCN[63-93] for shell script? |
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| 11:01.10 | Guerin | ravo: i can't quite remember. Ask #bash |
| 11:01.18 | SimonRaven | it's those & |
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| 11:01.33 | petemc_ | ravo: use curl |
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| 11:01.41 | hcy | anybody know where epiphany stores its cache of saved websites and pictures and stuff? |
| 11:01.51 | Corlis | SimonRaven: yup, looks like |
| 11:01.52 | ravo | petemc_: curl? |
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| 11:01.57 | petemc_ | ravo: yes |
| 11:02.04 | ravo | ill try that :) |
| 11:02.12 | SimonRaven | eh, not bad for an old power tower pro g3 upgraded machine |
| 11:02.13 | Corlis | SimonRaven: btw, rehitting makes me more and more angry on that page... |
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| 11:02.19 | tgwj | it's pointing to ~/fluxbox/menu. what should it pint to ? can I have debian-menu and user-menu at once ? |
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| 11:02.35 | skate | tgwj: you want init to use whatever menu is being updated |
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| 11:02.38 | SimonRaven | Corlis: too long to load, or the stories? |
| 11:02.46 | hcy | how can i clear my epiphany cache? |
| 11:02.49 | Corlis | SimonRaven: content |
| 11:02.52 | skate | like i said, i wrote my own fluxbox menu from scratch and i pointed init to it |
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| 11:03.20 | Reilithion | X seems like such a great system. Why do so many unix veterans seem to dislike it? |
| 11:03.23 | SimonRaven | Corlis: if the latter, i know exactly what you mean |
| 11:03.28 | SimonRaven | yeh |
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| 11:03.59 | tgwj | Reilithion, maybe because it's too big |
| 11:04.04 | Corlis | but... *cough* this is #debian |
| 11:04.09 | Guerin | haha, cnn, having played the full interview minutes ago, is now bleeping swear words in the nagin speech |
| 11:04.32 | Guerin | or I suppose it's more correct to call 'em cuss words |
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| 11:04.33 | erich | ravo: use seq. for num in `seq 6635 6693`; do wget http://http://www.mac-1mail.com/hj/DSCN$num.jpg; sleep 10; done |
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| 11:05.03 | skate | tgwj: check /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox menu |
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| 11:05.20 | skate | if that menu is the one being updated, edit ~/.fluxbox/init |
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| 11:05.35 | hcy | please tell me where to look for epiphany's cache... i'm having trouble loading a webpage i'm writing and want to try clearing the cache to see if that helsp |
| 11:05.40 | skate | ack i meant /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu |
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| 11:06.15 | Reilithion | tgwj: as in, bigger than it needs to be? |
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| 11:06.48 | SimonRaven | so far i'm not getting slashdotted |
| 11:06.51 | SimonRaven | ;) |
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| 11:06.58 | tgwj | Reilithion, something along those lines... |
| 11:07.07 | SimonRaven | a lot of requests for that mp3 |
| 11:07.14 | tgwj | skate, that file doesn't seem to be updated... |
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| 11:07.44 | Guerin | SimonRaven: 2.5k/sec |
| 11:07.54 | SimonRaven | yeh, slow as fuck though |
| 11:07.54 | Guerin | SimonRaven: u need teh torrentz d00d |
| 11:07.55 | skate | not sure what to tell you mate, i don't really depend on anything automated to update my menus |
| 11:08.08 | SimonRaven | there are, see the page |
| 11:08.35 | ravo | petemc_: curl is what i wanted :) cheers |
| 11:08.38 | Guerin | oh, mkay |
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| 11:09.00 | tgwj | skate, hehe I like the debian principles 'everything has a man page* and *everything has a menu entry' |
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| 11:09.09 | SimonRaven | i also posted some mirrors |
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| 11:09.59 | Guerin | SimonRaven: http://feayn.org/~lewis/nagin.mp3, when I'm finished |
| 11:10.33 | SynrG | tgwj: so, let me get this straight ... you installed firefox, you have menu installed, and /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu does not contain firefox? |
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| 11:10.46 | SimonRaven | Guerin: cool |
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| 11:11.01 | jimi_ | what swears did nagin use? |
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| 11:11.12 | tgwj | SynrG, yep thats right. |
| 11:11.22 | Guerin | jimi_: ass, mostly |
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| 11:11.51 | skate | tgwj: are the menus in other window managers being updated? |
| 11:11.56 | jimi_ | thats hardly offensive |
| 11:12.02 | Guerin | jimi_: right |
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| 11:12.34 | finn | "menu" can be annoying though :( |
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| 11:12.40 | tgwj | skate at the moment I only have flux installed... fresh sid install u see... I think I'll install wmaker for tzesting now |
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| 11:12.48 | skate | ah ok |
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| 11:12.55 | skate | sorry if that was asked already |
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| 11:12.59 | skate | i have too much going on at once |
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| 11:14.28 | SynrG | tgwj: the output of this: "update-menus -d --menumethod /etc/menu-methods/fluxbox" gives you what? |
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| 11:14.34 | SynrG | tgwj: anything odd in there? |
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| 11:15.25 | finn | how can I unrar? :/ |
| 11:15.25 | SynrG | tgwj: and "/usr/share/menu/mozilla-firefox" is present? |
| 11:15.26 | tgwj | nope nothing odd, but wmaker is odd: it doesn't seem to have a standard debian menu at all, does include firefox tho |
| 11:15.31 | skate | finn: unrar |
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| 11:15.35 | finn | not found |
| 11:15.43 | antgel | finn: install unrar |
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| 11:15.46 | tgwj | SynrG, yep |
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| 11:16.13 | antgel | tgwj: have you used wmakerconf? |
| 11:16.16 | tgwj | ok... now wmaker has a debian menu... with firefox |
| 11:16.18 | finn | apt-get install unrar.... missing |
| 11:16.32 | skate | finn: google "debian unrar" |
| 11:16.34 | skate | click on first link |
| 11:16.36 | finn | ok |
| 11:16.39 | finn | thanks |
| 11:16.50 | tgwj | antgel, I just ran update-menus after starting wmaker... now it has debian menu... my main concern is fluxbox though |
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| 11:17.48 | SynrG | tgwj: does /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu bear today's date but still doesn't contain firefox? |
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| 11:18.33 | tgwj | SynrG, I expect it has todays date because I installed the system just now |
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| 11:18.42 | skate | hah! |
| 11:18.48 | skate | good point |
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| 11:19.14 | skate | tgwjL do you have fluxconf installed? |
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| 11:19.21 | tgwj | yes. |
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| 11:19.44 | skate | i am not 100% sure but i believe fluxconf is what directs your init to /etc instead of ~/.fluxbox/menu |
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| 11:19.56 | SynrG | tgwj: ok, more precisely ... does it match the date you last ran update-menus? |
| 11:20.05 | skate | you may have found a bug now that i think about it |
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| 11:21.02 | tgwj | SynrG, nope. |
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| 11:21.32 | tim | hi all, short question, is there an unofficial kernel-image as debian of the mm-kernel somewhere on the net? |
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| 11:21.59 | SynrG | tgwj: then it appears the fluxbox menu-method is broken. |
| 11:22.18 | tgwj | seems so... so; bug to menu or fluxbox ? |
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| 11:22.22 | SynrG | tgwj: which versio nof fluxbox? |
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| 11:22.27 | stockholm | tim: i dont think so |
| 11:22.29 | SynrG | s/versio nof/version of/ |
| 11:22.52 | saloxin | tim: they're easy to make with make-kpkg |
| 11:22.57 | tgwj | 0.9.12-1 (the most recent in sid) |
| 11:23.01 | skate | is unstable's flux version newer than stable's? |
| 11:23.04 | skate | ah |
| 11:23.18 | skate | i'm on 0.9.11 |
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| 11:23.20 | skate | that may be why |
| 11:23.38 | tgwj | you think I should report a bug on fluxbox ? |
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| 11:23.44 | SynrG | tgwj: oddly, my fluxbox menu is updated |
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| 11:23.52 | SynrG | tgwj: i'm using the same version as you |
| 11:24.03 | SynrG | tgwj: but then again, i've upgraded over time ... |
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| 11:24.15 | SynrG | tgwj: it may be that from a fresh install, there is a bug, but not with an upgrade |
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| 11:24.39 | tgwj | hmmm... well, when I first started fluxbox my menu was updated, but the I installed firfox, and it just won't appear... |
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| 11:25.06 | tgwj | maybe fluxconf is the culpret |
| 11:25.08 | tim | stockholm, saloxin: thnx ... is there an easy way to get the kernel configuration of a debian stock kernel? |
| 11:25.28 | tgwj | I could delete ~/.fluxbox and see if it works... |
| 11:25.39 | SynrG | tgwj: i doubt if .fluxbox is relevant |
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| 11:25.54 | tgwj | i could try... |
| 11:25.57 | SynrG | tgwj: if /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu doesn't contain firefox, how can that be ~/.fluxbox's problem? |
| 11:26.04 | stockholm | tim: if you have a debian kernel installed it is in /boot/ |
| 11:26.07 | SynrG | tgwj: update-menus doesn't know anything about what's in ~ |
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| 11:26.12 | skate | SynrG: ~/.fluxbox is totally relevant, the init file tells fluxbox what menu to use. |
| 11:26.24 | SynrG | skate: no it isn't, not at the level we're debugging. |
| 11:26.27 | saloxin | tim: it's supplied as /boot/config-`uname -r` orso |
| 11:26.30 | stockholm | tim: config-2.6.8-2-686, for example |
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| 11:26.54 | SynrG | skate: tgwj is telling me after an update-menus he doesn't see firefox in /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu |
| 11:26.55 | stockholm | tim: you can copy that into your kernel dir as .config and you are set |
| 11:27.05 | SynrG | skate: nor does that file bear a current timestamp |
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| 11:27.14 | skate | yeah, he's been telling _everyone_ |
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| 11:27.34 | SynrG | skate: so, tell me please how ~/.fluxbox is relevant if what he says about that file is true? |
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| 11:27.56 | SynrG | skate: deleting it won't make the /etc copy of the file magically contain firefox :) |
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| 11:28.12 | tim | stockholm, saloxin: thanks a lot .. |
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| 11:28.20 | skate | dude, if he chooses not to use fluxcong anymore, it doesn't fucking matter what is in /etc anyway |
| 11:28.26 | skate | stop jumping to conclusions |
| 11:28.29 | tgwj | and if it weren't relevant, then it wouldn't exist at all... |
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| 11:28.55 | skate | tgwj: apt-get remove fluxconf, remove ~/.fluxbox |
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| 11:29.01 | SynrG | skate, tgwj: i'm just trying to be systematic about debugging this problem. if you're not interested in debugging the problem, go ahead and try things at random |
| 11:29.03 | skate | start from scratch, you can't hurt anything |
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| 11:29.08 | SynrG | later |
| 11:29.19 | skate | jesus shut up already |
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| 11:30.03 | tgwj | ok... I'll remove user fluxbox config, and try it again with installing thunderbird... but i doubt it will help ! |
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| 11:30.37 | SynrG | listen, maybe you don't give a rats ass about the quality of debian. i happen to care about it. if he's no longer going to have the problem because he switches to wmaker, then *his* problem is solved, but debian's isn't. |
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| 11:31.00 | skate | (ignored) |
| 11:31.01 | FlopsyPete | having installed tftpd, the man page says I should have a command called tftpd available, but I don't. should I? |
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| 11:31.38 | saloxin | FlopsyPete: dpkg -L pkgname lists all files included |
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| 11:32.38 | stockholm | FlopsyPete: i think it is in inetd.conf |
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| 11:32.46 | stockholm | FlopsyPete: check there |
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| 11:33.06 | FlopsyPete | stockholm: ok, thanks |
| 11:33.12 | FlopsyPete | saloxin: thanks |
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| 11:33.23 | tgwj | ok guys: wierd thing. I removed ~/.fluxbox. now flux has firefox in the menu ! |
| 11:33.31 | skate | told you |
| 11:33.34 | skate | it was fluxconf |
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| 11:34.03 | saloxin | FlopsyPete: i have tftpd-hpa installed - biinary is /usr/sbin/in.tftpd |
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| 11:34.13 | tgwj | ok... I'm just installing thunderbird to see if it _is_ fluxconf. if it is, I'll file a bug. |
| 11:34.35 | skate | tgwj: check ~/.fluxbox/init again and see what file it is using |
| 11:34.43 | skate | i am curious |
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| 11:35.08 | tgwj | installed thunderbird; no menu entry in flux. |
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| 11:35.18 | tgwj | so it is NOT fluxconf. |
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| 11:35.31 | skate | ok but which file is init using now? |
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| 11:36.01 | Reilithion | ah. Virtual consoles. coolies |
| 11:36.02 | skate | and did you Restart fluxbox after installing thunderbird? |
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| 11:36.03 | tgwj | ~/.fluxboc/menu |
| 11:36.10 | tgwj | fluxbox even |
| 11:36.31 | FlopsyPete | saloxin: yeah I see in.tftpd. the man page says its called 'tfpd' tho which confused me |
| 11:36.42 | saloxin | tgwj: run "update-menus" ? |
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| 11:37.55 | SynrG | tgwj, skate: you may find http://bugs.debian.org/324280 interesting |
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| 11:38.14 | tgwj | ran update-menus ... no thunderbird in wmaker _or_ fluxbox now |
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| 11:38.46 | tgwj | hmm... I had to run it as user... this is wierd |
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| 11:40.22 | tgwj | SynrG, that bug seems interesting... but what really gets me is that I had to run update-menus as user to see thunderbird in wmaker ! |
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| 11:42.37 | dimitri_ | I am having a permission problem: I have a directory which owner is x and groupe y, the groupe can write inside the dir. However I want x to be always able to rwx, how can I force this ? |
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| 11:44.05 | dimitri_ | how can I force any files created inside a special dir to have the same permissions that the directory |
| 11:44.13 | ludde | how do I install expat.h by using apt-get ? |
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| 11:44.34 | asg | ludde: /msg dpkg search |
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| 11:45.02 | dimitri_ | ludde do a apt-cache search expat to see the exact package name and then apt-get install <package> |
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| 11:45.22 | dpkg | dimitri_: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 11:46.18 | arno42 | hi #debian |
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| 11:46.38 | tgwj | hi arno42 |
| 11:46.44 | tgwj | !greet arno42 |
| 11:46.45 | dpkg | Salutations, arno42 |
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| 11:47.39 | SynrG | tgwj: again, confirm if the appropriate file in /etc/X11 is updated for wmaker after running update-menus as root |
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| 11:49.20 | SynrG | tgwj: i belive the file that should be updated is /etc/X11/WindowMaker/menu.hook |
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| 11:49.55 | tgwj | SynrG, again, removing ~/GNUstep helped... |
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| 11:50.18 | jhaig | I'm trying to install Debian 3.1 (unstable) but it cannot download packages to install. Where can I find what is wrong? The message on the screen is not very useful. |
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| 11:50.37 | arno42 | what is the message? |
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| 11:51.06 | delirium | I'm trying to compile the fsam7400 module. That never used to be a problem, but now I can't get it to work. Something tells me the new GCC (4.0) is to blame. Can anybody help me ? Output in http://users.skynet.be/Robocop/files/fsam7400.txt |
| 11:51.12 | tgwj | jhaig, you mean you are installing 3.1 and want to upgrade later, or you have installed 3.2 and want to upgrade now ? |
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| 11:51.40 | jhaig | tgwj: I'm installing now from a 3.1 disk, but selected unstable. Sorry for the confusion. |
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| 11:51.56 | antgel | !tell jhaig about unstable |
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| 11:52.00 | jelly | jhaig: There's some considerable prequisite knowledge needed to use unstable. |
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| 11:52.25 | arno42 | unstable is really unstable atm, the transition to gcc4.0 etc, install a stable and change it later |
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| 11:53.29 | hcy | according to google, looks like epiphany 1.7.4 is the newest. but with apt-get i only have 1.6.4 which was compiled in june. why's that? i'm using sid? |
| 11:53.31 | Thunder00 | you can't get gnome-desktop-environment for sid now |
| 11:53.35 | jhaig | I have already installed this on this machine, but for one reason or another I am doing it again. It is still in the initial set-up stage (first boot after install) and the message just says "One or more packages failed to install. This may be due to bugs in the packages, or you may be out of disk space or experiencing some other problems." I suspect the third, but I don't know where to find the actual errors. |
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| 11:53.39 | jelly | Can someone suggest mke2fs parameters for a 2TB ext3 partition which will host a handful of really large files? Like block sizes and stuff? |
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| 11:54.19 | delirium | I am trying to install the fsam7400 module. That was never a problem, but now with GCC 4.0 it doesn't work. Can I fix this without downgrading GCC ? |
| 11:54.25 | delirium | output at http://users.skynet.be/Robocop/files/fsam7400.txt |
| 11:54.27 | arno42 | i suggest the first and it will be over in round about 2 weeks |
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| 11:54.49 | bibe | jhaig : did you take a look at virtual console #3 during the initial install (before the reboot)? |
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| 11:55.07 | jelly | delirium: was your kernel compiled with gcc-4.0 too? |
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| 11:55.33 | delirium | jelly : euh, don't know, it's 2.6.11-1-686, from the debian repository |
| 11:55.34 | Guerin | gcc4 doesn't build the linux kernel |
| 11:55.48 | Guerin | delirium: use 3.3 |
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| 11:55.58 | tgwj | Guerin, fedora 4 kernels are built with gcc 4 |
| 11:56.02 | jhaig | bibe: Not specifically. I have got some way further than the first reboot. I have just set up apt and am at the stage of installing packages. |
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| 11:56.07 | jelly | Guerin: Reading lkml, I was under the impression it does. |
| 11:56.10 | delirium | Guerin : won't that give problems, I heard downgrading GCC is never a good thing |
| 11:56.16 | Guerin | jelly: news to me |
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| 11:56.27 | Guerin | tgwj: well, sure, you can PATCH it to build |
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| 11:56.40 | Guerin | delirium: no, you almost certainly have 3.3 installed as well. |
| 11:56.41 | jhaig | How can I remove the apt configuration so that I can get back to the stage where it asks me to choose stable/testing/unstable. |
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| 11:57.10 | SynrG | tgwj: it's quite possible that with wmaker you switched to a user-specified menu, so the system-wide update-menus would have no effect after that. |
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| 11:57.19 | Guerin | delirium: rm /usr/bin/gcc && ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 11:57.19 | jelly | delirium: don't downgrade. Temporarily change the /usr/bin/gcc links to point to gcc-3.3, then compile your modules, then put the link back as it was before. |
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| 11:57.22 | Thunder00 | jhaig: Esc key ? |
| 11:57.25 | jhaig | Hmmm, now I think about it, I meant 'testing' where I said 'unstable'. It is possible that I actually chose 'unstable', but I didn't mean to. |
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| 11:57.36 | arno42 | jhaig base-config |
| 11:57.36 | SynrG | tgwj: it's also quite likely the fluxbox bug I cited is the reason your menus weren't updated in flux, and that it had nothing to do with your configuration |
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| 11:57.49 | tgwj | SynrG, that was my theory... so I will just never run update-alternatives as user... |
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| 11:57.57 | SynrG | tgwj: so we'd be looking at two different problems. |
| 11:58.02 | delirium | jelly : thx |
| 11:58.05 | delirium | Guerin : thx |
| 11:58.10 | Guerin | !thx |
| 11:58.10 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 11:58.13 | SynrG | tgwj: it's worth adding extra info to the fluxbox report ... |
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| 11:58.22 | jelly | Guerin: nitpicker. |
| 11:58.23 | SynrG | tgwj: you could mention that you've confirmed the bug in your version |
| 11:58.33 | SynrG | tgwj: because the bug report was for the sarge version |
| 11:58.34 | delirium | I meant thanks :p |
| 11:58.37 | tgwj | SynrG, yes I believe so too. the fluxbox thing is probably the bug you found. the wmaker thing could be considered a 'feature' |
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| 11:58.52 | tgwj | SynrG, how do I confirm the bug ? |
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| 11:59.05 | SynrG | tgwj: reportbug allows you to add more info to an existing bug report |
| 11:59.12 | Guerin | jelly: i prefer the term 'ambiguity averse' |
| 11:59.20 | SynrG | tgwj: see "man reportbug" |
| 11:59.31 | jelly | Guerin: Oh, a PC nitpicker. ;-) |
| 11:59.32 | tgwj | ok... |
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| 12:00.07 | jelly | Guerin: humas do have considerable context processing capabilities. |
| 12:00.08 | SynrG | tgwj: basically, "reportbug packagename", select the specific bug#, and add your $0.02 |
| 12:00.28 | yang | What could be the reason of my adduser working so slowly, i need to wait 2 minutes, before it adds user groups and pass |
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| 12:00.38 | Guerin | jelly: speaking proper english costs nothing and gains you a great deal of coherence |
| 12:00.49 | Guerin | i encourage it whenever possible |
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| 12:01.18 | SynrG | tgwj: thanks for helping test this. your input is valuable. |
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| 12:01.36 | antgel | Guerin: you missed the chat last night. lot of DDs here. apparently #debian has a reputation for being unhelpful and unfriendly |
| 12:01.36 | jelly | Guerin: I agree with the general idea, but throwing factoids at people like that looks abit rude. |
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| 12:01.45 | Guerin | antgel: wow, fil at 11 |
| 12:01.47 | delirium | Guerin : just out of curiousity, sometimes when I install updates, it gives me problems, the other day with the new ipw2200 module, GCC 4.0 that I shouldn't have installed. How do I now what I can upgrade and what not ? I just do apt-get upgrade and expect it doesn't break anyting. I mean, it's set to testing, not bleeding or anything |
| 12:01.53 | Guerin | jelly: bollocks |
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| 12:02.20 | Guerin | delirium: is that not a binary non-free module package? |
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| 12:02.40 | Esaj | what do I need to browse samba shares in gnome? |
| 12:02.42 | antgel | delirium: if you don't use stable your expectation that nothing will break is ill-founded |
| 12:02.47 | delirium | Guerin : can be, but I've had these problems before, not very often though, thank god |
| 12:02.52 | arno42 | yes #debian has this reputation, but I hoped to be welcome asking not a single question hehe |
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| 12:03.11 | bibe | delirium : is ipw2200-source the package you are talking of? |
| 12:03.18 | delirium | antgel : I thought testing was already quit stable, if you use stable, those versions are just way too old |
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| 12:03.32 | Guerin | delirium: also, many things (gcc and build-essential included) are controlled by meta-packages; at some point, the versions these packages call in needs to change, and when they change, other things which require a previous version might freak. |
| 12:03.41 | dimitri_ | a umask can be apply to a shell but how can it be apply constantly to a dir for ex ? |
| 12:03.41 | antgel | i think it's only unhelpful to morons who don't listen and don't try to think for themselves. |
| 12:03.49 | Guerin | delirium: testing is never stable |
| 12:03.54 | Guerin | antgel: right. |
| 12:03.57 | delirium | bibe : yes, it's at 1.0.6 now, but some lib or something is still missing, when I do it with module-assistant |
| 12:04.07 | rutski89 | heh |
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| 12:04.27 | delirium | Guerin : thanks Guerin, I'll keep that in mind |
| 12:04.29 | bibe | delirium : as you probably noticed, ipw2200-source now requires iee80211-source too, and you need to build that module before actually building ipw2200 |
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| 12:04.30 | antgel | delirium: why are the versions in stable too old? why are you upgrading all the time? why don't you use aptitude instead of apt-get (one benefit is that you can choose what to upgrade) |
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| 12:04.38 | Guerin | very rare is the time when someone who's polite and has done their research gets larted in #debian |
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| 12:04.41 | antgel | delirium: also, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325655 |
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| 12:05.21 | arno42 | antgel I use apt-iselect, that is small and faster than aptitude |
| 12:05.22 | delirium | bibe : oh crap, of course, how could I be so stupid, that right, it' also a source package, so I have to compile it too |
| 12:05.25 | Guerin | by 'polite' i don't mean 'uses nice words' - I mean 'is prepared to entertain reasonable suggestions and do some work themselves' |
| 12:05.28 | delirium | I'm such a tool :( |
| 12:05.30 | bibe | delirium: a simple 'cd /usr/src; module-assistant -l <your_kernel_version> a-i ieee80211 ipw2200' should work |
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| 12:05.41 | delirium | bibe : thanks bibe |
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| 12:05.51 | SynrG | Guerin: I think you would enjoy this book: eatsshootsandleaves.com |
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| 12:05.59 | Guerin | SynrG: my mother has it. |
| 12:06.09 | SynrG | Guerin: it's highly diverting |
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| 12:06.52 | delirium | antgel : I don't now, I just like to upgrade, besides there might be security updates as well, but I'm too lazy to see what are updates and what are security patches |
| 12:06.55 | bibe | delirium : no problem. And by the way, debian packages won't build against a vanilla 2.6.13 kernel, you should compile and install them from the official sources |
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| 12:06.59 | dimitri_ | is it possible to set different umask per directory or is it one umask per user ? |
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| 12:07.32 | zobel | dimitri_: umask is per user |
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| 12:07.40 | Guerin | dimitri_: you can change the permmissions of a directory after creation, but generally it's per-use |
| 12:07.43 | Guerin | r |
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| 12:08.18 | dimitri_ | ok, I understand and where do you set this ? |
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| 12:08.46 | Guerin | !umask |
| 12:08.46 | dpkg | i heard umask is 'man 2 umask', or there is no manpage for umask |
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| 12:09.19 | delirium | bibe : I'm running 2.6.11 and with official, you mean from the official debian apt sources ? |
| 12:09.28 | Guerin | well, that's explicit |
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| 12:09.53 | arno42 | "I heard" is good |
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| 12:10.36 | antgel | delirium: if you're too lazy to maintain your box properly, don't be surprised if you get bitten |
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| 12:11.26 | antgel | delirium: also curious to know what in stable is "way too old" for you |
| 12:11.30 | delirium | antgel : guess I can't complain, from all the updates I do, only 2-3 out of 100 actually give me problems. Maybe I'm just lucky |
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| 12:11.36 | hcy | anybody know of an apt package for a non-irc "irc" bot? |
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| 12:12.08 | antgel | delirium: there's no rhyme or reason. some people run unstable for a looong time then get fucked by it |
| 12:12.23 | tgwj | SynrG, just submitted the report. |
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| 12:12.34 | dimitri_ | ok thanks but this does not fully solve my problem, I have a dir D owned by X, X wants to leave Y to write into the dir D, so I can put X in the groupe of Y and set the Y umask the way everyfile created is g=rwx, but what about if Y decide to change thoses permissions to g=x, how can I force not to do this within D ? |
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| 12:12.56 | bibe | delirium : I meant that official kernel images, or kernels built from the official sources, should work fine with ieee80211 and ipw2200 debian packages. |
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| 12:13.25 | Guerin | dimitri_: you might look at ACLs; i don't believe it can be done with umask |
| 12:13.33 | arno42 | hcy what would that be? a non-irc irc bot? |
| 12:13.38 | jelly | dimitri_: make dir owned by root or someone else than Y, and let it be g+w. |
| 12:13.43 | delirium | antgel : specific ? I don't know. But those versions are already very old. I mean, take Firefox for example, with testing I'm at 1.0.4 while 1.0.6 is out already, I don't even now what version stable is. 1.0.1 ? :p |
| 12:13.55 | SynrG | tgwj: thanks |
| 12:13.57 | Smoking2000 | I have 36 hddtemp processes on my Unstable box which I need to kill before I van remove or upgrade the package, how would I kill these processes if kill & kill -9 doesn't work? |
| 12:14.03 | jelly | dimitri_: no, I misread your problem, sorry |
| 12:14.14 | delirium | bibe : I only use from the official sources, I'm a noob, I don't know how to do it any other way |
| 12:14.20 | Guerin | !zombie |
| 12:14.20 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 12:14.22 | hcy | arno42: something like dpkg here but just for my own personal use, i could teach it stuff i forget often and then have it remind me easily. not to be used in irc. |
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| 12:14.45 | bibe | delirium : I only had to compile those modules from their original sources against my own kernel, compiled from vanilla sources. So: Debian kernel(s) with Debian packages, kernel.org kernels with ieee80211.sf.net and ipw2200.sf.net sources |
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| 12:14.51 | jelly | delirium: actually stable is at 1.0.6 too, only it's called 1.0.4-2sarge3 there. ;-) |
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| 12:15.07 | dimitri_ | jelly, so far D is drwxrwx--- X Y, this does not prevent Y to create a dir inside D which perms are drwx------ |
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| 12:15.16 | dimitri_ | and thus preventing X to do anything |
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| 12:15.22 | bibe | delirium : if you're a noob, I suggest you to stay with stable |
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| 12:15.27 | delirium | jelly : crap, making an ass of myself again |
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| 12:15.36 | arno42 | use a notes application instead? hcy? |
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| 12:15.46 | marcel1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:16.00 | delirium | bibe : I guess I should, but what's the fun in that ? :p |
| 12:16.01 | hcy | arno42: was hoping for something a little more interactive than a plain text editor |
| 12:16.09 | Xteven | would anyone have a hint as to why my mkinitrd makes a 0-byte file and nothing else ? |
| 12:16.15 | dimitri_ | jelly: ? |
| 12:16.15 | antgel | delirium: if you don't know what version is in stable, how do you know it's too old? |
| 12:16.22 | jelly | dimitri_: thinking ;-) |
| 12:16.27 | dimitri_ | jelly: :) |
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| 12:16.34 | arno42 | the latest firefox in stable is 1.0.4, what advantages has 1.0.6? |
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| 12:16.55 | delirium | arno 42 : patches |
| 12:16.56 | antgel | arno42: no, it's 1.0.6 disguised as 1.0.4. security fixes didn't work so they lumped the new version in |
| 12:17.16 | dimitri_ | jelly: appart from doing a cron I don't see how I can do this |
| 12:17.19 | antgel | arno42: suggest you read debian-security-announce |
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| 12:17.37 | jelly | dimitri_: I can't see an easy solution with the normal Unix permissions. cron would have been my next suggestion too. ;-) |
| 12:17.38 | arno42 | lol I better don't trust my machine - it says 1.0.4... |
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| 12:17.54 | dimitri_ | jelly: ok thanks ! |
| 12:17.55 | delirium | antgel : come on, versions are tested for a long time before they make it stable, everybody knows that about Debian |
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| 12:18.38 | jelly | dimitri_: of course, if Y is malevolent and not just ignorant, he might change the permissions with another cron job. ;-) |
| 12:18.42 | antgel | delirium: good isn't it? |
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| 12:19.18 | SimonRaven | sorry about that, my isp probably a bit worried about the traffic =) |
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| 12:20.19 | hcy | what kind of bot is dpkg? blootbot? regular infobot? |
| 12:20.29 | antgel | dpkg: what are you |
| 12:20.29 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 12:20.35 | bibe | delirium : the issues with firefox 1.0.4-2sarge2 were many, so (read security announcement #779-2) the developers took 1.0.6 and essentially changed the version number |
| 12:20.50 | antgel | which i still find astonishing |
| 12:20.54 | delirium | antgel : even with testing you are still a few versions behind, but that's alright, because the newest versions can always have some problems. But the stable versions, they are just a little bit too old for me |
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| 12:21.01 | bibe | delirium : so 1.0.4-2sarge3 is essentially a 1.0.6 |
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| 12:21.21 | delirium | bibe : I see |
| 12:21.31 | antgel | delirium: why? you haven't given one reason why. |
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| 12:21.53 | arno42 | a 1.0.6 named 1.0.4 its getting more and more funny everyday... |
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| 12:22.26 | jenner | http://lwn.net/Articles/150114/ |
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| 12:22.37 | antgel | delirium: i use unstable and have for years, but i almost never upgrade. some of my apps are probably older than sarge. but way i see it is as long as i can do what i want, it doesn't matter. |
| 12:22.41 | Guerin | !mozilla sarge |
| 12:22.49 | Guerin | !sarge mozilla |
| 12:22.51 | Guerin | bah |
| 12:22.55 | antgel | !sarge firefox |
| 12:22.55 | dpkg | i guess sarge firefox is issues with a security update that failed regression testing. after it was released. however, this has been rectified with another update. 1.0.4-2sarge3 is really 1.06 in disguise. just update and upgrade. |
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| 12:23.01 | bibe | delirium : but the point is, do you _really_ need cutting edge versions? In my case, for instance, I only need ipw2200 package from testing, since monitor mode wasn't supported before 1.0.4 (and sarge ships 1.0.3). For all the rest, I run a sarge and everything is... perfect |
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| 12:23.25 | delirium | antgel : newer versions have more features, they work better, improvements have been made. For some packages that's really necessary, like for the ipw2200 module. That still needs some work, I don't want to wait half a year before I can the new version where many bugs have been fixed. |
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| 12:23.56 | Coke | delirium: new versions do not always work better. |
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| 12:24.35 | Coke | in fact, my experience is that they newest versions are less working than the odler, more tested and patched ones. |
| 12:24.40 | antgel | delirium: you're being vague. what features and improvements do you need? or do you just want them for the sake of it? perhaps you would prefer something like gentoo or ubuntu which are more up to date, albeit without the benefits of debian stable |
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| 12:24.49 | delirium | bibe : how many levels are there ? bleeding, unstable, testing, stable ? |
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| 12:24.57 | antgel | delirium: for ipw2200, what bibe said |
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| 12:25.02 | antgel | delirium: www.debian.org/releases |
| 12:25.04 | Coke | s/bleeding/experimental/ |
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| 12:25.50 | bibe | delirium : and bugs are fixed in security-updates. Sticking with sarge only means that you don't have newer features. |
| 12:25.52 | antgel | delirium: or stay with debian testing and unstable and help to test and report bugs. that is really what those versions are for |
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| 12:26.17 | antgel | bibe: _security_ bugs are fixed in security updates (99% of the time) |
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| 12:26.48 | delirium | antgel : they call unstable "cutting-edge", testing is supposed to be almost "stable" |
| 12:27.02 | antgel | delirium: yes, almost. hence _not_. |
| 12:27.02 | delirium | antgel : so testing shouldn't be that bad right ? |
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| 12:27.18 | delirium | antgel : you guys are confusing me |
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| 12:27.25 | antgel | delirium: compared to what? it's not that bad but it's not stable |
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| 12:27.38 | Anthro | Is anyone familiar with privoxy? I can't determine from the documentation whether the filterfile directive can be given more than once in the config file. /mode anthro +E |
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| 12:27.49 | bibe | delirium : from phpgroupware last security advisory: 'This update also contains a postinst bugfix that has been approved for the next update to the stable release. |
| 12:28.15 | bibe | delirium : so, _security_ updates also can fix _some_ non-security bugs |
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| 12:28.47 | delirium | antgel : alright, I get the point, I'll try the stable thingy, so that I don't have to bug you guys everytime because I've done something stupid again :p |
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| 12:29.10 | tralala | delirium: testing is recommended for new hardware and stuff. If stable doesn't work for your *desktop* for some reason, select testing. |
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| 12:29.23 | dimitri_ | where can I set the umask for a user so that it is permanent not just during the current session ? |
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| 12:29.28 | dimitri_ | the man does not say |
| 12:29.29 | antgel | tralala: what the fuck are you talking about? |
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| 12:29.34 | arno42 | you can do stupid things on an outdated potatoe debian, too hehe |
| 12:29.43 | delirium | antgel : lol |
| 12:29.48 | jsan | good morning my friends |
| 12:29.52 | tralala | antgel: I beg your pardon?! |
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| 12:29.55 | hcy | dimitri_: i did that not too long ago... I think it's in .bash_profile if i'm not mistaken |
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| 12:30.07 | antgel | dimitri_: bashrc |
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| 12:30.23 | antgel | dimitri_: .bashrc |
| 12:30.38 | catlee | Good morning |
| 12:30.40 | dimitri_ | antgel: of but does it apply to ftp session ? I am talking about user not allow to have a shell but connect via ftp |
| 12:30.52 | hcy | dimitri_: I did it in .bash_profile ... i guess it would work in .bashrc too |
| 12:30.54 | catlee | Can I put kernel module parameters in /etc/modules? |
| 12:31.00 | bibe | catlee : good morning to you |
| 12:31.01 | jsan | a moment |
| 12:31.03 | antgel | dimitri_: good question. probably in your ftp server config |
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| 12:31.13 | dimitri_ | hcy: for ftp too ? |
| 12:31.21 | dimitri_ | antgel: ok |
| 12:31.22 | antgel | catlee: man modules |
| 12:31.27 | bibe | The /etc/modules file contains the names of kernel modules that are to be loaded at boot time, one per line. Arguments can be given in the |
| 12:31.28 | hcy | dimitri_: don't know |
| 12:31.28 | bibe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:31.41 | catlee | bibe: ugh, sorry...it's early |
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| 12:31.53 | tralala | dimitri_: obviously not. Bashrc stands for bash config. |
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| 12:32.23 | catlee | I did a man modules before I joined the channel, but obviously didn't read it :-{ |
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| 12:32.48 | antgel | catlee: it is rather long |
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| 12:33.18 | aquarius | Is there any utility which will show me, for each block in memory (RAM+swap), whether it's used or free and which process is using it? |
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| 12:33.37 | tralala | catlee: kernel version? |
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| 12:33.55 | dimitri_ | tralala: thus in my ftpd config ? |
| 12:34.20 | tralala | dimitri_: It's worth trying. |
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| 12:34.42 | dimitri_ | ok |
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| 12:36.35 | jsan | hi |
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| 12:36.55 | Shane | what is the equiv. command in debian for setarch? |
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| 12:38.12 | jsan | i instaled vlogin in my squirrel and when i try to access de webmail return this message Fatal error: Cannot redeclare overrides mconfig() (previously declared |
| 12:38.13 | jsan | in /var/www/squirrelmail/plugins/vlogin/funcios.php:33) in /var/www/squirrelmail/plugins/compatibility/functions.php on line 30. What i need to resolv this ??? |
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| 12:39.07 | CrocoJet | hello everyone .. does anyone knows what is setup in bios about interruption mode to Linux .. have two options: PIC and APIC. I dont have idea about that |
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| 12:40.14 | jm_ | CrocoJet: most people can live with PIC, APIC can cause issues, just try it and see |
| 12:40.31 | CrocoJet | other question, what is the best type of partition, it is reisfer or ext3 ? |
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| 12:40.44 | antgel | !tell CrocoJet about best |
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| 12:41.00 | antgel | !tell CrocoJet about filesystem |
| 12:41.01 | antgel | !tell CrocoJet about filesystems |
| 12:41.03 | berto | Hello, I cant install hplip (HP linux printing project) on my debian unstable since apt tells me that "hplip: Depend: python-qt3 but it will not be installed". What can I do ? thanks |
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| 12:41.33 | jm_ | find out why it can't install that |
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| 12:41.49 | CrocoJet | ok, thanks informations |
| 12:41.51 | antgel | !tell berto about unstable |
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| 12:43.59 | delirium | antgel : the compile went ok now, can load the module now, thanks for the help |
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| 12:44.28 | berto | antgel, so I must use testing if want hplip ? |
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| 12:44.50 | antgel | delirium: i forgot what you were compiliing but good luck to you |
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| 12:44.54 | berto | can I force apt to use testing for installinf hplip ? |
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| 12:45.22 | tralala | berto: possibly yes |
| 12:45.22 | antgel | berto: no, you much use stable if you don't want things to break and you can't handle it when they do |
| 12:45.24 | CrocoJet | where I can find program to use type ReiserFS v4 ? I think that debian 3.1 dont use that version |
| 12:45.29 | delirium | antgel : what I was compiling doesn't matter so much, it worked, that's the most important |
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| 12:46.20 | berto | but why python-qt3 can't be installed ? |
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| 12:46.32 | arno42 | reiser4 is NOT recommended - can mess up all your data CrocoJet |
| 12:46.39 | tralala | berto: because you're using sid? |
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| 12:46.52 | skate | berto: you are running unstable. why, i have no clue. you can use packages from other branches, but it usually isn't a good idea. |
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| 12:47.16 | CrocoJet | oh ok |
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| 12:47.36 | CrocoJet | because is 95% faster than EXT3 |
| 12:47.40 | CrocoJet | interesting |
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| 12:47.54 | jm_ | reiserfs4 is also not in kernel yet, so you need to patch it yourself |
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| 12:48.02 | jm_ | except maybe mm tree |
| 12:48.05 | berto | So I must reinstall all my pc ? there is no issue ? |
| 12:48.15 | CrocoJet | ok |
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| 12:48.25 | tralala | CrocoJet: reiserfs4 is too new (read buggy) to use |
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| 12:49.03 | tralala | reiserfs3 however is fine (perhaps not for highload servers) |
| 12:49.06 | CrocoJet | most here channel use ext3 or reiserfs3 ? |
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| 12:49.21 | antgel | !tell CrocoJet about poll |
| 12:49.23 | antgel | !tell CrocoJet about polls |
| 12:49.41 | novakreo | XFS is pretty good too |
| 12:49.47 | CrocoJet | ok ... |
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| 12:50.55 | mias | #debian.de |
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| 12:51.06 | mias | hmmmmm-......... |
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| 12:51.25 | CrocoJet | what opinion about JFS ? |
| 12:51.37 | jm_ | it works fine for us on AIX :) |
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| 12:51.55 | berto | skate : since It must reinstall the pc, I'm testing the hplip installation from testing on my unstable debian... |
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| 12:52.06 | CrocoJet | other question ... do I need "journaling file system" ? what is it ? |
| 12:52.10 | EdLin | CrocoJet: personally I use ext3, my system doesn't have the heavy load of a server, so reliability trumps loosing data but being faster |
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| 12:52.22 | EdLin | !ricerfs |
| 12:52.23 | dpkg | i guess ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
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| 12:52.34 | berto | there is no error |
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| 12:53.14 | CrocoJet | ok, EdLin .. thanks |
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| 12:53.15 | CrocoJet | I will use ext3 |
| 12:53.17 | CrocoJet | thanks a lot |
| 12:53.20 | Shane | is setarch available for debian and if not what package is used in its place? |
| 12:53.23 | EdLin | np |
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| 12:53.57 | novakreo | CrocoJet: Journaling keeps track of changes to files, so that if you have a crash, it is not necessarily to run a full filesystem check (fsck) on startup. |
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| 12:54.14 | novakreo | CrocoJet: ext3, XFS, JFS, and ReiserFS are all journalling filesystems. |
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| 12:54.24 | EdLin | novakreo: he's gone |
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| 12:54.41 | novakreo | oh. (turns join/part messages back on) |
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| 12:55.35 | kang | hi, anyone ever used debian 64 + vmware5 on a amd64 ? |
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| 12:56.49 | antgel | !tell kang about anyone |
| 12:57.04 | greycat | The topic for #debian-overflow needs to be updated to remove all that +r stuff, or at least put it at the *end*. We're hitting -overflow because of the +J and the spambots, not because of +r. |
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| 12:57.40 | antgel | greycat: you would have liked the discussions in here last night |
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| 12:58.32 | kang | antgel: look, ive been trying it, ive been googling, but it dosen't seems to work? i don't ask if *YOU* run it, just if someone, somewhere, WHY NOT HERE, does. thanks |
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| 12:58.58 | antgel | !tell kang about ask |
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| 12:59.08 | SimonRaven | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/blog/categories/rants/NewOrleansandHurricaneKatrina.html and http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/42309.html for New Orleans news and info |
| 12:59.20 | SimonRaven | (sorry for spamming and being OT) |
| 12:59.22 | jair_11 | hello guys? |
| 12:59.31 | greycat | there are no guys here. only bots. |
| 12:59.40 | jair_11 | it looks like debian is getting very popular woohooo! |
| 12:59.47 | jair_11 | hahaha |
| 12:59.57 | jair_11 | greycat: how are you? |
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| 13:00.29 | jair_11 | greycat: I wonder how could I install the updates for the security advisories on the debian stable sarge? |
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| 13:00.40 | tgwj | debian 4 life ... windows 4 finding wout how the fuck micro$oft can get so much money for it... |
| 13:00.57 | arno42 | add the security sources to your sources.list |
| 13:00.58 | antgel | jair_11: please tell us what you have tried so far and how it failed |
| 13:01.00 | greycat | !security |
| 13:01.01 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 13:01.12 | antgel | or what dpkg said |
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| 13:01.43 | kang | !tell antgel about being nice |
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| 13:01.56 | arno42 | oh yes if dpkg says anything, its mostly correct^^ |
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| 13:02.07 | jair_11 | antgel: I a;ways run "apt-get update |
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| 13:02.23 | tgwj | jair_11, and apt-get upgrade ? |
| 13:02.30 | tarzeau | where can i say debian mozilla firefox to open ps files with gv, for all users? |
| 13:02.31 | jair_11 | antgel: I a;ways run "apt-get update" and I don't know if that is applying any security patch. |
| 13:02.42 | tarzeau | i so hate mozilla |
| 13:02.43 | takatumi | kang: tried #debian-amd64? |
| 13:02.50 | kang | takatumi: thanks :) didnt know it |
| 13:02.55 | arno42 | jair11 only if you did what dpkg told you |
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| 13:03.02 | antgel | jair_11: what dpkg said |
| 13:03.07 | jair_11 | tgwj: no only that ones, I am trying to find out the way of install the security patches. |
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| 13:03.28 | jair_11 | antgel: ohhh I did not try dpkg |
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| 13:03.42 | greycat | jair_11: /lastlog dpkg |
| 13:03.48 | jair_11 | antgel: so I should download it and then run dpkg cool |
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| 13:03.49 | greycat | CHRIST. |
| 13:03.52 | tgwj | apt-get update only updates the local apt repo data, no packages. |
| 13:03.55 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 13:03.57 | antgel | jair_11: you're missing the point. read above. there is a long description of what to do which you have ignored |
| 13:03.59 | takatumi | heh |
| 13:04.01 | jair_11 | greycat: where? |
| 13:04.02 | arno42 | jair_11 you should DO what dpkg told you! listen to the bot , he is friendly |
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| 13:04.14 | greycat | except when he's not. |
| 13:04.19 | takatumi | he probably has dpkg on ignore. |
| 13:04.25 | arno42 | lol |
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| 13:04.28 | greycat | he's not a bitchx user, is he? |
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| 13:04.42 | tgwj | does/can the fluxbox configuration menu options for transparency use xcompmgr ? |
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| 13:04.58 | antgel | greycat: last night there were many DDs here, which was interesting. investigating the perceived unfriendliness of #debian |
| 13:05.01 | jair_11 | ohhhh so it is recomended to run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade? |
| 13:05.02 | tarzeau | greycat: do you know how to move @ around in emacs , nethack-el ? |
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| 13:05.18 | jair_11 | now this will not brake anything on the system? |
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| 13:05.23 | takatumi | antgel: and the verdict? |
| 13:05.24 | oxford | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.25 | greycat | tarzeau: I'm a vim user |
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| 13:05.33 | oxford | now i have the handler information in my apache2.conf... |
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| 13:05.40 | oxford | so i figured i should restart the server and I also get this error... |
| 13:05.55 | tgwj | jair_11, stable cannot brake unless the security patches are faulty |
| 13:06.11 | oxford | (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 |
| 13:06.11 | jair_11 | arno42: my concern is because I heard before that run "apt-get upgrade" can brake the functioning of some applications on sarge stable? |
| 13:06.11 | oxford | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 13:06.12 | antgel | takatumi: wasn't one really. i tried to explain that nobody reads the docs, nobody understands that unstable and testing can break, and lots more. |
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| 13:06.26 | greycat | oxford: lsof -i :80 |
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| 13:06.45 | oxford | greycat... apache-pe |
| 13:06.52 | jair_11 | tgwj: so please , all I have to do is run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 13:06.53 | arno42 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.54 | oxford | like 7 instances |
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| 13:07.00 | greycat | oxford: then you can't start another. |
| 13:07.00 | antgel | takatumi: they listened but mostly said no need to be rude, take a break etc. think we need to improve pointers to docs. bug 325655 |
| 13:07.05 | jair_11 | arno42: nice to know |
| 13:07.06 | greycat | oxford: stop the existing one first. |
| 13:07.08 | tarzeau | greycat: you play nethack in vim? |
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| 13:07.13 | oxford | greycat.. i know |
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| 13:07.18 | pngwn | antgel, I thought they decided you needed to spoon feed the Lusers ;) |
| 13:07.19 | oxford | but it won't ;et me |
| 13:07.20 | greycat | tarzeau: no, I play nethack in nethack or in telnet or in ssh |
| 13:07.24 | oxford | it says stopped ok.. |
| 13:07.29 | antgel | but the _really_ odd thing is as soon as they turned up, the moron count went from 20/hour to 1/hour |
| 13:07.29 | arno42 | !tell jair_11 about security |
| 13:07.34 | oxford | but same error when i try to start it afterwards... |
| 13:07.37 | tgwj | jair_11, if you have security repos in /etc/apt-sources.list (the default) then yes |
| 13:07.39 | greycat | oxford: then kill it by hand with kill(1) |
| 13:07.49 | oxford | but really i think the issue is "why is my index.php" trying to be downloaded? |
| 13:07.50 | jair_11 | arno42: so if I am more familiar with apt-get could I use apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 13:08.00 | oxford | cause i have just flat out rebooted several times.. |
| 13:08.04 | antgel | pngwn: they said just point them to the manual, howto etc. i explained that it's only the morons who come away unsatisfied |
| 13:08.14 | arno42 | yes, just add the security repos to your sources.list |
| 13:08.29 | antgel | jair_11: why are you still asking about this? |
| 13:08.40 | jair_11 | arno42: ok I know ho to do do it but I think I have the security repos as well. |
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| 13:08.57 | pngwn | antgel, they won't even read the effn topic |
| 13:08.59 | arno42 | than there should be NO problem |
| 13:09.00 | skate | hi, i am new to Lunix, ne1 no y i cant install microsoft windows critical updates on debian unstable? |
| 13:09.02 | jair_11 | antgel: I need to be super sure of what I am doing. |
| 13:09.05 | greycat | antgel: more importantly, why are you still listening to him? |
| 13:09.11 | oxford | so has anyone come across this "download index" problem before? |
| 13:09.20 | greycat | oxford: sounds like you misconfigured apache |
| 13:09.27 | jm_ | oxford: tons of people trying to use php scripts |
| 13:09.30 | oxford | i didn't touch apache |
| 13:09.35 | greycat | too bad there's no #apache channel, and no /usr/share/doc/apache*/* and no www.apache.org |
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| 13:09.45 | oxford | look dude |
| 13:09.50 | antgel | pngwn: no, i pointed that out. i was told that these people might be new etc. so surely that's even more reason to rtm. i can't believe they can find their way to irc without reading the docs |
| 13:09.58 | oxford | it was working fine yesterday... |
| 13:10.00 | antgel | greycat: rubbernecking |
| 13:10.05 | oxford | and all i have been doing is installing packages |
| 13:10.08 | mwilson | greycat: There you go, expecting him to do something for himself again... |
| 13:10.16 | oxford | ? |
| 13:10.17 | arno42 | skate why would someone want windows updates on a linux box? |
| 13:10.26 | jair_11 | tgwj: the security sources on my repos /etc/apt/source.list |
| 13:10.30 | antgel | skate: heh |
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| 13:10.37 | skate | arno42: no idea, why do 30 newbies come in here every day asking shit about sid? |
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| 13:10.49 | pngwn | antgel, I guess what I don't understand is that they have plenty of money to spend on hardware then come in here and demand tech support for free :) |
| 13:10.55 | jair_11 | tgwj: I have some there that show: security.debian.org/ sarge/...... |
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| 13:10.59 | Coke | skate: good question. why do you? |
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| 13:11.11 | jair_11 | tgwj: it is that one the one you are talking about? |
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| 13:11.15 | skate | Coke: please show my which one of my boxes has unstable installed. |
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| 13:11.22 | antgel | pngwn: i don't think anyone minds supporting them. but breastfeeding? i know i don't have the time |
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| 13:11.24 | Hecate | how can I enable the rsh (rexec) server |
| 13:11.26 | antgel | skate: that one. |
| 13:11.26 | skate | Coke: please paste to me a single question i have ever asked about sid. |
| 13:11.28 | arno42 | imo to get quick answers instead of reading 1000 manpages |
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| 13:11.36 | greycat | Hecate: you don't. |
| 13:11.38 | antgel | arno42: eureka |
| 13:11.39 | jm_ | Hecate: by installing it, question is, do you want to? |
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| 13:11.47 | oxford | so no one can help then |
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| 13:11.54 | greycat | Hecate: you fire the incompetent "sysadmin" who demanded its use. |
| 13:11.55 | tgwj | jair_11, that's it |
| 13:11.59 | Hecate | jm_: well I think so |
| 13:12.00 | mwilson | arno42: Wrong answer. |
| 13:12.05 | jm_ | Hecate: why? |
| 13:12.20 | jair_11 | tgwj: perfect, thank you very much for your patience |
| 13:12.28 | Hecate | jm_: I want to use X-win32... |
| 13:12.29 | oxford | man this sucks |
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| 13:12.34 | arno42 | oxford go ask in #apache its your configuration |
| 13:12.35 | Coke | skate: I don't really care what you have asked about except the very good question I responded to. |
| 13:12.36 | oxford | apache tells me its a debian problem |
| 13:12.36 | resiak | oxford: Yes, we can. Your problem is a common one. Your apache is not set up correctly to handle .php with the php interpreter. Read the docs. This is a FAQ |
| 13:12.37 | jm_ | Hecate: doesn't it support ssh? |
| 13:12.40 | Hecate | jm_: And I can connect with rexec |
| 13:12.43 | oxford | its not my stupid config |
| 13:12.48 | Hecate | jm_: jup |
| 13:12.48 | resiak | oxford: YES IT IS |
| 13:12.52 | oxford | no its not |
| 13:12.55 | jm_ | Hecate: so use ssh instead of rsh |
| 13:12.57 | antgel | oxford: well everything must be working then |
| 13:13.02 | oxford | no its not... |
| 13:13.03 | resiak | !tell oxford -about php |
| 13:13.06 | oxford | hardhead |
| 13:13.16 | resiak | oxford: Trust me, it is your config. We see this every day. |
| 13:13.18 | oxford | don't mesg me that crap |
| 13:13.20 | Coke | oxford: what error are you getting? |
| 13:13.22 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 13:13.23 | Hecate | jm_: mmh okay lemme take a look |
| 13:13.28 | oxford | i get the download the index |
| 13:13.28 | resiak | oxford: It's got the fucking answer, you tard. |
| 13:13.28 | mwilson | oxford: What sucks? That you're actually expected to know something about the software you're trying to use? |
| 13:13.36 | arno42 | if it works its your config, if not, its the system? funny |
| 13:13.37 | oxford | yet my config is set to handle php |
| 13:13.38 | oxford | and phps |
| 13:13.43 | tralala | !answer |
| 13:13.43 | dpkg | It is common on #debian to tell people what they need to know, not what they _think_ they want to know |
| 13:13.57 | tarzeau | should not every application use $HOME, and not the homedir from /etc/passwd ? |
| 13:14.03 | Coke | oxford: what error mesage(s) are you getting? |
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| 13:14.05 | greycat | tarzeau: yes |
| 13:14.07 | jm_ | tarzeau: no |
| 13:14.08 | oxford | no error.. |
| 13:14.12 | oxford | whenever i hit my homepage |
| 13:14.15 | Coke | oxford: then it works. |
| 13:14.17 | oxford | it asks me to download the .php |
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| 13:14.27 | oxford | instead of displaying it |
| 13:14.34 | oxford | yet ive been through the damn config like 50 times |
| 13:14.38 | Coke | oxford: that's because you haven't told Apache to use the PHP module for .php files. |
| 13:14.41 | oxford | and removed it, and reinstalled apache |
| 13:14.47 | oxford | coke.. yes i have |
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| 13:14.53 | midg3t | look in /etc/apache2/mods-* |
| 13:14.55 | arno42 | apache is configured to handle php as downloads. whatever caused this, reconfigure! |
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| 13:15.00 | oxford | if yuoud like i can post my config somewhere so people will stop shooting shit at me |
| 13:15.02 | Coke | oxford: no you haven't. |
| 13:15.07 | oxford | my god |
| 13:15.11 | jm_ | sure he has, he said so! |
| 13:15.13 | Coke | oxford: ok, paste it then. |
| 13:15.14 | oxford | ill post my config |
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| 13:15.22 | Coke | oxford: not here though |
| 13:15.24 | antgel | guys why are you bothering? i learnt something last night. /ig is bliss. |
| 13:15.26 | Coke | oxford: find a paste bot |
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| 13:15.35 | antgel | ooh that was nearly a pun |
| 13:15.38 | oxford | mindamp.org/apache2.conf |
| 13:15.46 | antgel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:16.01 | tchino | which channel gives help in configuration exim and fetchmail |
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| 13:16.07 | greycat | antgel: nice. |
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| 13:16.23 | greycat | tchino: #exim or #fetchmail maybe? |
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| 13:16.37 | Coke | oxford: like I said, you have not configured it properly. |
| 13:16.45 | Coke | oxford: I pressume this is Apache2 ? |
| 13:16.47 | tralala | oxford: shouldn't there be something like mod_php inside the conf? |
| 13:16.49 | greycat | unless lilo made people put multiple ## on their channels just to fuck with you. |
| 13:16.51 | tralala | mindamp.org/apache2.conf |
| 13:16.54 | tralala | ops, sorry |
| 13:16.56 | tchino | greycat: i thing you remember me yesterday |
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| 13:17.24 | antgel | the DDs were right about one thing. no point being rude. for my own sake if nothing else. let them wonder why they are in a channel with 500 people and nobody can hear them |
| 13:17.25 | Coke | oxford: 1) don't modify httpd.conf, use the sites-enabled directory 2) you are not loading the module |
| 13:17.34 | greycat | chanserv says there are no *fetchmail* channels |
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| 13:17.36 | Hecate | jm_: okay theres 3 connection method (which all don't work) rsh, rexec and XDMCP |
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| 13:17.48 | jm_ | Hecate: but no ssh? |
| 13:17.55 | stew | uname -r -> 2.4.31-bf2.4 |
| 13:17.56 | stew | wtf |
| 13:17.56 | Hecate | jm_: don't seems to |
| 13:18.02 | greycat | Hecate: are you in a fucking TIME WARP? are you from 1989? |
| 13:18.07 | antgel | Hecate: three very insecure protocols |
| 13:18.14 | Hecate | greycat: hehe :) |
| 13:18.16 | jm_ | Hecate: well then you can install ssh, but make sure you secure it, because it's very insecure |
| 13:18.20 | oxford | im not loading the module? |
| 13:18.22 | genera | Hecate: you re sure that there is no newer version of X-Win32? |
| 13:18.26 | jm_ | Hecate: sorry rsh |
| 13:18.27 | greycat | what are you doing, running fucking exceed X server on Windows 95? |
| 13:18.27 | oxford | i didn't unload the module.. |
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| 13:18.31 | oxford | it was working fine yesterday... |
| 13:18.32 | stew | i had no idea that bf2.4 kernel's still existed |
| 13:18.37 | greycat | stew: it's from woody |
| 13:18.40 | tchino | greycat: an other channel to configurate mta |
| 13:18.43 | stew | greycat: 2.4.31? |
| 13:18.48 | greycat | tchino: if you have exim problems, ask #exim |
| 13:18.50 | Hecate | Well huuh I think it's actually the newest version of Win32 |
| 13:19.02 | greycat | tchino: if you have fetchmail problems, ask anywhere you can find help, because there's no #fetchmail |
| 13:19.02 | Hecate | I'll take a look to find a newer version.. |
| 13:19.06 | tralala | oxford: where is the mod_php then? |
| 13:19.06 | antgel | Hecate: wtf is x-win32? |
| 13:19.15 | oxford | guys look.. |
| 13:19.19 | jm_ | it's Refelction X if you ask me |
| 13:19.23 | greycat | HAH! He *is* running something that looks JUST FUCKING LIKE exceed on Windows 95. |
| 13:19.28 | greycat | GOD, I hated that. |
| 13:19.36 | oxford | i haven't touched the damn config, so i guess my questions is "why or how did this happen" |
| 13:19.45 | antgel | Hecate: perhaps you would care to look at cygwin /x |
| 13:19.49 | greycat | or maybe it was Reflection. I can't remember any more. |
| 13:19.53 | greycat | It's shit. |
| 13:19.53 | Hecate | antgel: sumfing to load xthings from a linux machine on a pc |
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| 13:20.00 | oxford | and will apt-get remove php4 and then apt-get install php4 fix this problem? |
| 13:20.03 | greycat | Hecate: Cygwin. |
| 13:20.04 | TimMosley | anyone here using fetchmail? |
| 13:20.04 | Hecate | antgel: cygwin? okay... |
| 13:20.09 | tralala | Errm, nothing there, sorry. |
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| 13:20.17 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 13:20.17 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 13:20.20 | greycat | !ask |
| 13:20.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:20.20 | tchino | greaycat: in #exim is nobody |
| 13:20.23 | Hecate | you know it was people from this channel who told me to use X-win :) |
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| 13:20.30 | Coke | oxford: because PHP isn't enabled by default, even when installed. |
| 13:20.33 | greycat | tchino: I see 36. |
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| 13:20.36 | andrian | what is the command to load the kernel module configurator? (used to be modconf?) |
| 13:20.38 | Coke | oxford: /msg dpkg php will tell you how to enable it |
| 13:20.39 | mwilson | There's nothing wrong with XWin32. |
| 13:20.42 | midg3t | oxford: why not try it. nothing to lose, though it might also help to dpkg -P php4 to remove any broken configs. same with apache[2] |
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| 13:20.47 | mwilson | Works quite well. |
| 13:20.55 | Hecate | mwilson: Which version do you have? |
| 13:20.56 | TimMosley | ok i get it :) |
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| 13:21.05 | antgel | Hecate: install cygwin with xorg. it's the nuts. |
| 13:21.16 | Coke | oxford: the problem with your config is that the php module isn't properly loaded and configured and you violated your configs by not using the config symlink layout for apache2. |
| 13:21.19 | Anthro | TimMosley: If you ask an actual question you are likely to get help. |
| 13:21.24 | greycat | mwilson: and you can authenticate on the unix side with ssh, right? |
| 13:21.37 | mwilson | greycat: I've never looked. |
| 13:21.40 | oxford | well im using ubuntu.. so yeh PHP4 is setup by default |
| 13:21.41 | Hecate | antgel: well huuh okay |
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| 13:21.54 | fantomas | How to configure and up 'tun0' interface correctly? Module 'tun' is loaded. |
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| 13:22.10 | sep | fantomas, vtund ? |
| 13:22.11 | jm_ | ubuntu? you're in a wrong channel |
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| 13:22.25 | oxford | is it not debian jm_? |
| 13:22.30 | Anthro | !tell oxford about ubuntu |
| 13:22.30 | jair_11 | guys if I use apt-get dist-upgrade will this handle any dependencies update and needs during the process of upgrade? I mean I should use "apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" ? |
| 13:22.31 | eye69 | !tell oxford about ubuntu |
| 13:22.31 | oxford | it was my understanding it was |
| 13:22.31 | jm_ | oxford: no |
| 13:22.39 | oxford | fucking stop msging me |
| 13:22.41 | oxford | thats so gay |
| 13:22.44 | eye69 | Anthro: Damnit. :) |
| 13:22.44 | greycat | should I kick him? I have no idea what he's saying. |
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| 13:22.55 | jair_11 | hahaha |
| 13:22.57 | TimMosley | how do i speed up fetchmail downloading mail messages from the pop3 server? I'm kinda new to it and used kmail before but with fetchmail it seems that some sophisticated mail server features don't get utilized at all... |
| 13:22.58 | resiak | greycat: Yeah, why not. Just for, erm, kicks. |
| 13:22.58 | Anthro | eye69: Bwahaha! It's all in the wrist. |
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| 13:23.00 | tralala | most of us don't anymore :) |
| 13:23.01 | antgel | greycat: not yet the jury's still out |
| 13:23.10 | tchino | when i want to send a mail with: echo "this is a text" | mail -s "test" localuser, i get the message: Can't send mail: sendmail process failed with error code 1, what is the problem? |
| 13:23.13 | bibe | oxford : I use php4 with Debian sarge, and simply installing libapache2-mod-php4 auto-configures apache2 to use php4 |
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| 13:23.21 | antgel | jair_11: why don't you just do what dpkg said |
| 13:23.23 | oxford | !tell Antro about sucking ass |
| 13:23.24 | greycat | tchino: ls -ld /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 13:23.36 | eye69 | Anthro: And I see you regularly train yours. :P |
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| 13:23.42 | oxford | bibe... thats precisely what i was looking for |
| 13:23.44 | oxford | thank you |
| 13:23.49 | jair_11 | antgel: because I never used before aptitude |
| 13:23.50 | oxford | that or PHP Bug |
| 13:23.51 | Anthro | tchino: sounds like your config is broken. How did you break it? |
| 13:23.52 | bibe | oxford : no problem |
| 13:23.57 | eye69 | Anthro: You practically gave me that one on a plate. |
| 13:23.59 | Anthro | tchino: Did it ever work? |
| 13:23.59 | antgel | jesus |
| 13:24.06 | tchino | greaycat: /usr/sbin/sendmail -> exim4 |
| 13:24.07 | Anthro | eye69: Yeah, yeah. Pbbbt! |
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| 13:24.12 | greycat | tchino: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 13:24.16 | fantomas | sep: I expect to do it in simple srcipt running when qemu machine loads. When I do 'ifconfig tun0 up' I got error that device doesn't exists (which is true actually, there is only one device: /dev/net/tun ) |
| 13:24.22 | greycat | tchino: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # sorry |
| 13:24.23 | antgel | greycat: do what you want |
| 13:24.29 | erich | jair_11: use upgrade when you upgrade, and dist-upgrade when you dist-upgrade |
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| 13:24.33 | jair_11 | antgel: I think that if I run the command apt-get will do the same and better with the apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:24.42 | tarzeau | greycat: jm_ says no, you say yes |
| 13:24.42 | erich | meaning, use dist-upgrade to upgrade from "woody" to "sarge" |
| 13:24.46 | skate | dude, why not read the man page for apt-get |
| 13:24.53 | skate | it tells you exactly what apt-get can do |
| 13:24.56 | greycat | tarzeau: fuck. that means I have to /unignore him. |
| 13:24.57 | tarzeau | jm_: and reason why a program should not use the HOME told by the user? |
| 13:24.58 | jair_11 | erich: ohhh ok I understand |
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| 13:25.03 | antgel | fantomas: actually i got that as well, but never bothered fixing it |
| 13:25.12 | jm_ | tarzeau: because there are things like getpwent() and friends |
| 13:25.15 | jair_11 | erich: so I should do only apt-get upgrade then :) |
| 13:25.16 | greycat | tarzeau: no application should read /etc/passwd |
| 13:25.17 | tchino | greycat: i have delete my exim.conf.template and download it again from exim.org, can i reinstall it over debian sarge, i think, that is the problem |
| 13:25.18 | midg3t | tarzeau: a program that allows the user to change his default |
| 13:25.26 | sep | fantomas, you didn't answer my question. are you trying to use vtun ? |
| 13:25.27 | fantomas | antgel: and what you did finnaly? |
| 13:25.27 | erich | jair_11: dist-upgrade will more likely uninstall stuff. upgrade only upgrades stuff that doesn't conflict with others |
| 13:25.31 | jair_11 | erich: but before I most do apt-get update |
| 13:25.36 | fantomas | sep: no, I don't know what is it |
| 13:25.37 | Anthro | tchino: That was a poor choice. |
| 13:25.37 | genera | Hecate: seems you are right. no ssh. i would try: http://xlivecd.indiana.edu/ |
| 13:25.42 | antgel | fantomas: went back to doing things that make me money |
| 13:25.42 | jair_11 | erich: nice |
| 13:25.47 | greycat | tchino: if you can't fix it with dpkg-reconfigure then it's an #exim question and not a #debian question |
| 13:25.50 | sep | fantomas, but you said you loaded the tun module ? |
| 13:25.53 | arno42 | wanna know about apt? apt-get install apt-howto |
| 13:26.00 | jair_11 | erich: and what about the differences between aptitude and apt-get? |
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| 13:26.06 | tarzeau | midg3t: via $HOME ? |
| 13:26.11 | jair_11 | erich: it will handle the process the same? |
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| 13:26.14 | erich | jair_11: yes. e.g. a new version of mozilla comes out, dist-upgrade will uninstall stuff depending on the old mozilla. upgrade will just hold back the mozilla upgrade until other stuff is updated, too. |
| 13:26.21 | Anthro | Does --purge apply to install --reinstall, meaning it will overwrite configs with the package defaults? |
| 13:26.23 | tarzeau | jm_: but what if my home directory is broken and damn i'm not root but i want to work? |
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| 13:26.27 | fantomas | sep: modproble tun. Nothing more. |
| 13:26.27 | midg3t | tarzeau: i'm saying a program should ONLY read /etc/passwd if it is likely to change the values in that file |
| 13:26.27 | greycat | erich: but not in stable. |
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| 13:26.34 | sep | fantomas, o if your not using vtun, what are you using then ? |
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| 13:26.40 | Anthro | midg3t: What? That's bullshit. |
| 13:26.42 | jair_11 | erich: nice to get a logic answer |
| 13:26.46 | erich | jair_11: aptitude should do the same, but not always does. aptitude usually install recommended packages too, not only required I think |
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| 13:26.47 | greycat | erich: stable users should never need dist-upgrade until etch |
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| 13:26.54 | jm_ | tarzeau: then you ask the admin to fix things ;) |
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| 13:26.57 | midg3t | Anthro: you're late. we're talking about reading $HOME vs reading it from /etc/passwd |
| 13:26.59 | yang | where do i remove this query ? bia CRON[15743]: nss_ldap: could not connect to any LDAP server as cn=proxyuser,dc=example,dc=net - Can't contact LDAP server |
| 13:27.05 | tarzeau | jm_: the admin is not around, or incompetent |
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| 13:27.12 | fantomas | sep: This is used in qemu too. For emulating devices which is connected to emulated machines./ |
| 13:27.12 | tarzeau | jm_: ok we need Hurd where one can work without admins |
| 13:27.13 | erich | greycat: you never should need dist-upgrade unless you upgrade from one major release to another. ;-) |
| 13:27.14 | jair_11 | erich: so what do you use? aptitude? or apt-get? |
| 13:27.18 | jm_ | tarzeau: well tough luck |
| 13:27.18 | fantomas | s/is/are |
| 13:27.19 | antgel | yang: you need to make sense |
| 13:27.20 | Xteven | yang : grel -rl proxyuser /etc |
| 13:27.22 | greycat | erich: or if you run testing or unstable. |
| 13:27.24 | Anthro | midg3t: Well, getpwent() is better, but reading /etc/passwd makes sense from time to time. |
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| 13:27.33 | greycat | !tell novakreo about away |
| 13:27.40 | erich | jair_11: i use aptitude, because it has debfoster inbuilt. i.e. it will uninstall libraries i don't need anymore |
| 13:27.44 | sep | fantomas, okay, i only have experience with tun.o in conjunction with vtund and similars, sorry. |
| 13:27.47 | tchino | Anthro: how you mean, apt-get --purge remove exim4 and then apt-get install -reinstall exim4 |
| 13:27.52 | fantomas | sep: np |
| 13:27.58 | erich | greycat: don't use dist-upgrade on testing or unstable is a very good rule... |
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| 13:28.03 | jm_ | tarzeau: it might make sense to use $HOME if getpwent() fails for example, but it shouldn't be default |
| 13:28.05 | greycat | tchino: you want dpkg --purge --force-depends |
| 13:28.09 | jair_11 | erich: ok to run aptitude I have to install anything new on sarge or it comes with it? |
| 13:28.13 | greycat | tchino: and you must remove the -config package too |
| 13:28.14 | jair_11 | i think it does. |
| 13:28.27 | Anthro | tchino: No, I was talking about apt-get install --reinstall --purge exim4-config, but I don't know if it works. |
| 13:28.33 | jair_11 | erich: I have the lates 3.1 stable sarge version |
| 13:28.33 | greycat | erich: personally, I use "apt-get -s dist-upgrade | less" and then hand-pick packages to upgrade. |
| 13:28.39 | TimMosley | !tell me about fetchmail |
| 13:28.43 | erich | jair_11: i think its installed by default. otherwise: apt-get install aptitude |
| 13:28.44 | tarzeau | jm_: ok i agree, it doesn't wishlist bug for irssi-text |
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| 13:28.59 | Anthro | TimMosley: If you have a fetchmail question, ask it. |
| 13:29.08 | jm_ | he already asked it ;) |
| 13:29.09 | jair_11 | greycat: so do you recomend use apt-get instead aptitude? |
| 13:29.10 | erich | greycat: i find it a lot more convenient to do "upgrade", and then hand-pick what I want to try to upgrade additionally. |
| 13:29.11 | smartbhai | can anyone help me with a bootsplash .. i downloaded the patch from bootsplash.org and applied it to 2.4.27 kernel but it shows FAILED while patching a few files.. |
| 13:29.14 | greycat | tarzeau: irssi-text is reading /etc/passwd?? |
| 13:29.32 | erich | jair_11: apt-get vs. aptitude is a different question than dist-upgrade vs. upgrade |
| 13:29.33 | jm_ | it's probably callin ggetpwuid() or whatever to find ~/.irssi |
| 13:29.36 | tarzeau | greycat: no idea how it gets my home dir , probably with getpwent :) |
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| 13:29.42 | tarzeau | greycat: we don't have local users *only nis) |
| 13:29.44 | greycat | jm_: that's OK. |
| 13:30.01 | jm_ | greycat: yes, sure, that's what I told him |
| 13:30.03 | greycat | tarzeau: and your NIS maps is fucked up? |
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| 13:30.11 | greycat | s/is/are/ |
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| 13:30.25 | TimMosley | Anthro, I already did, but here u go - why is getting the mails from the pop3 server with fetchmail so slow compared to kmail i used before - can i make it download all the mails at the same time and then push it to procmail? |
| 13:30.36 | jair_11 | erich: ok let's talk about that one |
| 13:30.44 | greycat | tarzeau: what does "ypmatch tarzeau passwd.byname" give? (you can cross out the password hash in field 2) |
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| 13:30.54 | erich | jair_11: right now on my unstable, runing "dist-upgrade" would uninstall k3b. thats the only kde application I really want to keep... "upgrade" just doesn't upgrade kdebase. i can live with that. |
| 13:30.55 | jair_11 | erich: if I use aptitude I will install things or packages I do not need? |
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| 13:31.11 | erich | jair_11: eventually, yes. but you can configure that |
| 13:31.15 | Yoe | jair_11: not unless you explicitely ask for them ;-) |
| 13:31.24 | erich | jair_11: and aptitude will help you uninstall stuff more easily |
| 13:31.33 | jair_11 | and how I will know which ones I need? |
| 13:31.49 | erich | jair_11: you don't enable "with-recommends" |
| 13:32.00 | jair_11 | erich: you are selling me aptitude when I am a apt-get lover and user. |
| 13:32.01 | Anthro | TimMosley: You should look into fetchsizelimit |
| 13:32.02 | Yoe | jair_11: by looking at the description, which aptitude conveniently displays. |
| 13:32.06 | erich | the ones you need are always installed. the ones "suggested" or "recommended" not |
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| 13:32.23 | Yoe | jair_11: sometimes it's not possible to find out other than by trying. But that shouldn't be a problem, no? |
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| 13:32.44 | jair_11 | hmmm |
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| 13:32.54 | antgel | shorewall question - in interfaces config file, detectnets "Automatically taylors the zone named in the ZONE column to include only those hosts routed through the interface." eh? looks like a tautology |
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| 13:32.59 | jair_11 | ok so I will follow the option don't enable with-suggested |
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| 13:33.26 | erich | jair_11: often it's well, recommended to install these, too... |
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| 13:33.58 | tchino | greaycat: yes, now i can write it again, thanks |
| 13:34.03 | greycat | antgel: they spelled it "taylors"? |
| 13:34.10 | jair_11 | erich: install what? |
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| 13:34.16 | TimMosley | Anthro, yeah, with pop3 the manpage says that the only valid size is 1. I tested downloading with 1 and it is pretty slow, when i set fetchsizelimit to 0 it seems a bit faster but not as fast as with kmail. |
| 13:34.18 | jair_11 | the suggested packages or aptitude? |
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| 13:34.40 | antgel | greycat: yeah. that's not my point though. my point is that it's confusing as shit |
| 13:34.41 | Anthro | TimMosley: try it with 50 and see if it works and is fast. |
| 13:34.55 | greycat | antgel: so don't use it |
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| 13:35.05 | greycat | antgel: if they can't explain their code, their code is probably shit. |
| 13:35.06 | Snow-Man | antgel: File a bug? :) |
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| 13:35.11 | erich | jair_11: the recommended and suggested packages. The maintainers don't put them there for fun. |
| 13:35.11 | Anthro | TimMosley: It is possible that what you are seeing with kmail is actually latency hiding rather than actually fetching them faster. |
| 13:35.22 | antgel | greycat: no, generally setup has been okay, just this one option is ambiguous as fuck |
| 13:35.31 | jair_11 | erich: hahahah |
| 13:35.38 | jair_11 | erich: it is ok I just run it |
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| 13:35.49 | antgel | Snow-Man: i could file a bug against me: needs brain transplant |
| 13:35.53 | jair_11 | erich: it looks pretty smoooth |
| 13:35.56 | erich | jair_11: and aptitude has also a nice curses UI, apt-get hasn't |
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| 13:36.13 | jair_11 | erich: this will not conflict with my apt-get command and repos etc.. |
| 13:36.15 | erich | apart from being mostly a drop-in replacement on the command line |
| 13:36.25 | Anthro | erich: If I packaged something, all of my packages would suggest xbill, because a friend of mine wrote it. I'd put it in for fun! |
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| 13:36.30 | Snow-Man | antgel: I think it makes some sense.. It's a great deal like the rp_filter. |
| 13:36.31 | erich | jair_11: no, you can intermix them. they all use dpkg. |
| 13:36.47 | erich | jair_11: with one exception: aptitude will not automatically uninstall stuff you installed with apt-get |
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| 13:36.56 | lilgg | hello, whats the command to view distro info? like version etc. |
| 13:37.03 | jair_11 | erich: actually I like command stuff beside guis, I mean nice ui |
| 13:37.03 | greycat | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:37.12 | cronic | im trying to mount a FS with cifs, and Im getting the error that cifs is not supported by my system. |
| 13:37.17 | jair_11 | erich: cool |
| 13:37.17 | lilgg | greycat and release notes or so? |
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| 13:37.23 | cronic | I've compiled every module I can think of into the kernel, and still it wont mount. |
| 13:37.25 | cronic | Can anyone help? |
| 13:37.26 | jair_11 | erich: thank you very much I love it |
| 13:37.28 | jair_11 | ;) |
| 13:37.32 | cronic | I love this clicky keyboard. |
| 13:37.35 | cronic | click click lcik |
| 13:37.36 | Anthro | cronic: I believe the fs you are looking for is smbfs |
| 13:37.43 | Snow-Man | cronic: You might try compiling it *as* a module and then loading it and being sure it's loaded. |
| 13:37.45 | cronic | I modularized that. |
| 13:37.46 | erich | jair_11: e.g. if you install gnome, it will install all kinds of packages. If you then remove gnome, these dependencies will not be uninstalled. But if you did both the install and the uninstall with aptitude they will. |
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| 13:37.52 | moeen | I want to send a same mail to 30 of my friends, but don't want to write name of all of them in TO: (like: email1@a.com, email2@b.com, ...) is there any application available in linux could do it ? (that give the list of my friends email addresses and send the same mail for them seperately) |
| 13:37.56 | erich | not without telling you, of course. |
| 13:37.57 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Quick question: wanna let apt upgrade near everything with apt-get upgrade, except one package that i want to upgrade only manually. How can i tell it so? |
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| 13:38.05 | theD3viL | how to install ati drivers in debian?? |
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| 13:38.12 | Snow-Man | moeen: There's formail.. Not sure if it'll do exactly what you want. |
| 13:38.18 | antgel | Jimmymaniac: put it on hold |
| 13:38.23 | Yoe | moeen: perhaps a mailinglist manager could do what you want? |
| 13:38.25 | cronic | I modprobed the smbfs module. Still wont mount. |
| 13:38.25 | antgel | !tell theD3viL about ati |
| 13:38.28 | cronic | I have to be missing something. |
| 13:38.31 | greycat | theD3viL: if your card is supported in xserver-xorg, use that. otherwise, get an older card. use fglrx ONLY if you have a SERIOUS love of pain. |
| 13:38.32 | Snow-Man | moeen: You can also use any of the command-line mailing utilities. |
| 13:38.33 | cronic | This works on my Ubuntu system. |
| 13:38.41 | Snow-Man | moeen: ie: 'mail', and then a shell for loop |
| 13:38.43 | Yoe | moeen: although I'm not entirely sure I understand exactly |
| 13:38.45 | jair_11 | erich: that soubd cool but I think if you do apt-get remove --purge then it will remove everything |
| 13:38.50 | Anthro | moeen: You want each person to receive the identical message that appears to be addressed to him/her alone? |
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| 13:39.01 | moeen | Anthro, yes |
| 13:39.08 | greycat | moeen: a loop, then. have fun. |
| 13:39.17 | greycat | loops are freshman-level programming constructs. |
| 13:39.24 | theD3viL | greycat, dpkg tell me to use fglrx? |
| 13:39.31 | Anthro | moeen: What shell do you use? |
| 13:39.31 | greycat | theD3viL: then dpkg needs a kick in the head |
| 13:39.37 | moeen | Anthro, bash |
| 13:39.39 | TimMosley | Anthro, well setting of 50 doesn't change a thing and with kmail i'm pretty sure it was faster because on a modem line with an online time counter like pppstatus one can see the difference. |
| 13:39.44 | antgel | theD3viL: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 13:39.46 | erich | jair_11: not dependencies |
| 13:39.50 | theD3viL | greycat, |
| 13:40.01 | jair_11 | erich: ohhh ok |
| 13:40.02 | erich | jair_11: --purge deletes the config files, too. But only of the package you specified. |
| 13:40.04 | Snow-Man | moeen: for user in `cat userlist`; do cat msg | mail -s "Hi, this is my message!" $user; done |
| 13:40.08 | jair_11 | erich: that sounds interesting though |
| 13:40.14 | Snow-Man | moeen: Something along those lines, do test first though, of course. |
| 13:40.18 | erich | jair_11: and this is *very* useful for libraries. |
| 13:40.19 | Snow-Man | moeen: Lest your friends kill you. :) |
| 13:40.23 | moeen | Snow-Man, thx :D |
| 13:40.29 | jair_11 | greycat: it is better aptitude than apt-get? |
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| 13:40.35 | Xteven | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.36 | antgel | !tell moeen about thx |
| 13:40.37 | Anthro | moeen: for addr in someone@foo.com someone@bar.com ; do ; mail -s "subject" $addr < prepared_file ; done |
| 13:40.48 | jair_11 | erich: sounds like you has been using it for a while. |
| 13:40.50 | jair_11 | cool |
| 13:40.51 | erich | jair_11: you can set packages to "auto-uninstall if noone depends on it" in aptitude easily. I have almost all my library packages set to this mode. |
| 13:40.52 | jair_11 | hmmm |
| 13:40.55 | theD3viL | greycat, what i must edit in xorg.conf ? |
| 13:40.56 | jair_11 | sounds very interesting |
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| 13:40.59 | greycat | theD3viL: nothing. |
| 13:40.59 | Anthro | TimMosley: Hm. I don't know what to tell you. |
| 13:41.06 | greycat | theD3viL: it should just work. |
| 13:41.11 | antgel | theD3viL: again. /msg dpkg drxx |
| 13:41.12 | greycat | at least if you have a SUPPORTED card. |
| 13:41.24 | theD3viL | aha =) sry |
| 13:41.24 | jair_11 | erich: that sounds great to me! |
| 13:41.27 | erich | jair_11: because after some time you end up with a dozen versions of the same library sometimes, and that is just wasted disk space if noone uses them. |
| 13:41.35 | antgel | theD3viL: please read the channel |
| 13:41.37 | theD3viL | i will try.. i will come later |
| 13:41.42 | antgel | oo-er |
| 13:41.43 | jair_11 | erich: that is correct |
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| 13:42.12 | moeen | Anthro, ok, thanx 4 help |
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| 13:42.33 | jair_11 | erich: so then I will have to start reading about aptitude |
| 13:42.46 | TimMosley | Anthro, is the backend (procmail) also a slow-down. Because I'm looking at the logs and fetchmail proceeds to the next message only if procmail returns a exit_success status or something like "NP, get me the next message." Is there a way to create a buffer for the fetched messages and let procmail deal with them later? |
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| 13:43.05 | jair_11 | erich: and for some reason the one I ran on the sarge I have here works very similar than the apt-get ;) |
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| 13:43.26 | erich | jair_11: as mentioned above, it mostly works as a drop-in replacement. |
| 13:43.29 | jair_11 | it is installing all the security patches nicely |
| 13:43.33 | Anthro | jair_11: honestly, unless you're short on disk space (pretty rare these days), the only packages you don't want to leave installed are those that conflict with packages that you want or that run services that take up CPU/memory or open network ports. Otherwise, it just doesn't matter. |
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| 13:44.03 | Anthro | TimMosley: The best way around that is to have fetchmail go through your MTA, then let your MTA queue them and run them through procmail. |
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| 13:44.06 | jair_11 | Anthro: thank you for your comments |
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| 13:44.16 | jair_11 | erich: cool love it |
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| 13:44.29 | jair_11 | erich: you got it i will start experience with it |
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| 13:44.34 | jair_11 | aptitude |
| 13:44.35 | jair_11 | ;) |
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| 13:45.07 | Hecate | antgel: I'm actually downloading XLiveCd, which works with cygwin, but I found and installed a version of X-Win32 using 'StarNet SSH'. It still doesnt work. Do I have to do something on the linux server? |
| 13:45.10 | TimMosley | Anthro, an MTA like exim4, for example? |
| 13:45.11 | jair_11 | now I have to go, work |
| 13:45.14 | jair_11 | ;) |
| 13:45.17 | jair_11 | thank you guys |
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| 13:45.57 | greycat | what the hell's "starnet ssh"? |
| 13:46.09 | jair_11 | hmm |
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| 13:46.20 | Hecate | well the soft company who made xwin32 is Starnet... |
| 13:46.25 | greycat | second google hit on "starnet ssh": Xwin32.exe crashes after attempting StarNet Ssh connection |
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| 13:46.36 | Anthro | TimMosley: Yes. I run fetchmail as a normal service (i.e. run from /etc/rc?.d) and it delivers to exim4, which delivers to my accounts that use procmail to pass it through spamassassin (using spamc/spamd). It isn't as efficient as possible (it would be better if exim4 ran it through spamassassin), but it suits my needs. |
| 13:46.41 | antgel | Hecate: if you don't use cygwin, _i_ can't support you. why do you want to use starnet's products? |
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| 13:47.12 | greycat | Hecate: install Debian on your desktop machine instead of Windows. |
| 13:47.13 | Hecate | antgel: Well just trying as I said I'm downloading XLiveCD right now (its about 600 mb or something) |
| 13:47.14 | antgel | greycat: and they charge for it. i'm in the wrong business |
| 13:47.20 | Anthro | TimMosley: I am receiving from three separate SPOP accounts and running two of them through procmail and spamassassin. |
| 13:47.49 | antgel | Hecate: why not download the circa 50mb cygwin / x and install it, rather than 600mb that will run like a slug? |
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| 13:48.21 | Hecate | antgel: mmh lemme take a look at that |
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| 13:48.28 | greycat | doesn't running an "X live CD" defeat the whole purpose which allegedly led him to be running a commercial proprietary X server on Windows in the first place? |
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| 13:49.12 | greycat | if he doesn't HAVE to run it from his existing windows install, he could just run Debian. |
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| 13:50.11 | antgel | greycat: it's an cygwin /x live cd. not a bad idea for incompetent boobs |
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| 13:50.20 | greycat | antgel: oh, like a "Demo"? |
| 13:50.24 | kefreen_debian | alguém do Brasil ?? |
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| 13:50.26 | greycat | !br |
| 13:50.27 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 13:50.53 | TimMosley | Anthro, isn't this an overkill? procmail can be configured to run mails through spamassassin pretty trivially but exim4 is a brink in the mail delivery chain that is pretty redundant, IMHO. Anyway thanks for your help, I'm gonna hit the docs for some more hourse, then :) |
| 13:50.59 | greycat | antgel: a "demo" CD makes sense. windows users like that stuff. |
| 13:51.05 | TimMosley | s/hourse/hours |
| 13:51.05 | antgel | greycat: http://xlivecd.indiana.edu/ |
| 13:51.38 | greycat | TimMosley: if you don't have exim4, how are you queueing your *outgoing* mail? |
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| 13:52.17 | greycat | antgel: I should maybe try that here some day. |
| 13:52.19 | Anthro | TimMosley: exim4 allows to me send mail out, also. And it does the queuing so that fetchmail can just suck the messages down and give them to exim4 without waiting for procmail to finish, which seems to be your problem. |
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| 13:52.22 | TimMosley | greycat, I have exim4 and I'm sending mail just fine but I thought not to use it for receiving mail, or..? |
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| 13:52.35 | greycat | TimMosley: once you have it up and running you might as well use it. |
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| 13:53.12 | Anthro | TimMosley: if it's configured for smarthost, it will deliver mail locally, too. |
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| 13:53.15 | TimMosley | greycat, Anthro, but isn't it slower with exim4 in the chain than without it? |
| 13:53.21 | greycat | TimMosley: it's MAIL. |
| 13:53.32 | greycat | who cares if there's an extra 300 ms delay? |
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| 13:54.09 | TimMosley | greycat, ok i got it, thank you guys. |
| 13:54.10 | Anthro | TimMosley: Apparently not. |
| 13:54.20 | TimMosley | Anthro, thanks |
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| 13:57.40 | t0ffel | I'm trying to build a kernel, but it fails to build the nvidia module. Seems gpg-related, can I prevent it from trying to use gpg? |
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| 13:57.54 | t0ffel | make-kpkg that is |
| 13:57.57 | wilson | how do i access other computers using windows on the network am in incase they share folders |
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| 13:58.09 | illsci | hey im having trouble getting sarge onto my new dell box |
| 13:58.10 | antgel | greycat: you should see some of the business cocks in the city of london on their blackberrys |
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| 13:58.22 | Gathond | t0ffel: if it works like dpkg-buildpackage then -us -uc will disable the gpg signing bits |
| 13:58.22 | illsci | i had a dell sarge iso befor that let me install onto the sata disks i have |
| 13:58.25 | illsci | but its a 2.4 kernel |
| 13:58.26 | antgel | greycat: to them 300ms email delay is a world of pain |
| 13:58.40 | illsci | is there a new version of the same thing anywhere that anyone knows of with a 2.6 kernel |
| 13:58.41 | illsci | ? |
| 13:58.52 | antgel | illsci: have you read the install guide? |
| 13:58.57 | illsci | awhile ago |
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| 13:59.09 | illsci | i dont want to ahve to b uild my own cd |
| 13:59.11 | illsci | if i dont have to |
| 13:59.14 | antgel | illsci: have you googled debian sarge install 2.6? |
| 13:59.17 | illsci | ... if thats what your illuding to |
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| 13:59.27 | t0ffel | Gathond: thanks, looks like it. |
| 13:59.27 | greycat | antgel: I've seen spamassassin take 60 seconds or more on a single message. |
| 13:59.29 | Anthro | antgel: On the DC Metro: "Be aware of your surroundings and report any suspicious activities. Look up from your newspapers and blackberries once in a while." |
| 13:59.31 | illsci | i know how to do a 2.6 installl..... |
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| 13:59.34 | illsci | linux26 |
| 13:59.41 | illsci | but that isnt working on the dell box |
| 13:59.43 | antgel | illsci: sata drivers are better in 2.6 |
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| 13:59.49 | antgel | illsci: you didn't say that |
| 13:59.54 | illsci | yes i did |
| 13:59.54 | yang | How do i remove LDAP from cron? CRON[15866]: nss_ldap: could not connect to any LDAP server |
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| 14:00.00 | wizard42 | hi #! could somone |
| 14:00.04 | Manoj_ | spamc/spamd are better when it comes to latency/load |
| 14:00.07 | antgel | 14:58 < illsci> but its a 2.4 kernel |
| 14:00.10 | illsci | its specifically about the dells for some reason |
| 14:00.12 | wizard42 | help me with a apt-proxy problem ? |
| 14:00.12 | greycat | yang: LDAP is not "in cron". It's "in libc". |
| 14:00.18 | greycat | yang: man nsswitch.conf |
| 14:00.25 | antgel | illsci: does it not see your disk? |
| 14:00.26 | illsci | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.26 | illsci | <Gathond> t0ffel: if it works like dpkg-buildpackage then -us -uc will disable the gpg signing bits |
| 14:00.26 | illsci | <illsci> but its a 2.4 kernel |
| 14:00.27 | illsci | <antgel> greycat: to them 300ms email delay is a world of pain |
| 14:00.27 | illsci | <illsci> is there a new version of the same thing anywhere that anyone knows of with a 2.6 kernel |
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| 14:00.29 | greycat | or if that's not it, ask someone who uses LDAP |
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| 14:00.45 | illsci | read it again |
| 14:00.59 | Manoj_ | I have long since moved to using MIMEdefang (a sendmail milter) that has a built in SA calling mechanism |
| 14:01.02 | antgel | illsci: thanks. don't see where you said that you tried 2.6 |
| 14:01.03 | illsci | it doesnt see the sata disk no.... |
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| 14:01.26 | greycat | Manoj_: sendmail gives me hives. and gas. |
| 14:01.33 | antgel | illsci: know what sata controller it is? you may be looking at making a custom install iso |
| 14:01.33 | illsci | antgel it would be obvious |
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| 14:01.47 | illsci | yeah i dont need to though |
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| 14:01.50 | illsci | there is an issue with dells |
| 14:01.53 | antgel | illsci: clearly it's not fucking obvious other i wouldn't have asked |
| 14:01.55 | illsci | and its been handeled befor |
| 14:01.55 | yang | greycat: ah that is why it took so long to add new user, becouse it was queriying ldap |
| 14:01.56 | Enchanter_tim | anyone with experience installing debian to an sgi o2? i have the netinstall iso, but i cant seem to boot from that cd. |
| 14:02.08 | antgel | illsci: what's the issue with dells> |
| 14:02.33 | illsci | has anyon here had to install debian sarge on a new dell lately |
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| 14:02.41 | antgel | *plonk* |
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| 14:02.45 | illsci | and used the dell iso's the dell engineers created |
| 14:02.45 | Enchanter_tim | (yes, i got the mips port) |
| 14:02.50 | greycat | illsci: "a new dell" is totally useless as a description of your problem. |
| 14:02.56 | illsci | its sooo not |
| 14:03.00 | zinx | illsci: it soooooo is |
| 14:03.07 | illsci | there is a specific issue with dells and the sata disks they use |
| 14:03.12 | zinx | illsci: your dell has a specific SATA controller |
| 14:03.13 | dawg | greycat, as opposed to an old dell.. keep up ;) |
| 14:03.13 | illsci | so someone made a dell iso for it |
| 14:03.14 | greycat | what SATA controller? |
| 14:03.15 | illsci | i know that |
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| 14:03.20 | zinx | illsci: we need to know which one. |
| 14:03.21 | Manoj_ | greycat, well, I have long since paid my dues with sendmail's config language :). and being a tru turing complete language, you can do stuff with sendmail that things like postfix find hard, or impossible, to do |
| 14:03.24 | illsci | oh god |
| 14:03.34 | zinx | illsci: "a new dell" doesn't say anything about the SATA controller |
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| 14:03.38 | illsci | i dont know which on... but its obviously not in the stock kernels |
| 14:03.41 | illsci | that are on the install disks |
| 14:03.43 | illsci | i know zinx |
| 14:03.45 | illsci | im not an idiot |
| 14:03.47 | zinx | illsci: windows will tell you which one |
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| 14:03.50 | zinx | at the very least |
| 14:03.50 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 14:04.12 | zinx | illsci: and you can always boot up off a cd and lspci |
| 14:04.14 | illsci | i dont want to make a new iso myself .... i want to find the one that was created for the dells |
| 14:04.16 | illsci | and i have it |
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| 14:04.19 | illsci | its just a 2.4 kernel |
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| 14:04.31 | greycat | zinx: no lspci on the sarge CD. don't ask me why. maybe they thought you wouldn't need it. |
| 14:04.32 | illsci | if you dont know what im talking about |
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| 14:04.33 | illsci | thats fine |
| 14:04.34 | illsci | you just dont know |
| 14:04.37 | Enchanter_tim | gah, nm, the cd is a ip22 install cd only |
| 14:04.40 | greycat | zinx: and you can't even cat /proc/pci in 2.6. it's GONE. |
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| 14:04.50 | zinx | greycat: sillies |
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| 14:04.51 | antgel | Enchanter_tim: i'm not au fait with sgi, but you could check the md5sum of the iso and the relevant release notes for the arch |
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| 14:06.00 | zinx | maybe r1 will have support for the chipset anyway, possibly even lspci, though i doubt that :P~ |
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| 14:06.39 | syntaxx | why is that i play file it has sound on mplayer but it doesnt show any video |
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| 14:06.54 | antgel | syntaxx: because you didn't read the documentation (again) |
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| 14:07.11 | Gathond | syntaxx: check mplayers output, it probably fails to open the video decoder or the video output |
| 14:07.44 | syntaxx | ok |
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| 14:08.38 | syntaxx | couldnt find working vidix driver |
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| 14:09.19 | greycat | syntaxx: mplayer -vo xv *.ogm |
| 14:09.29 | greycat | or mplayer -vo help, maybe |
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| 14:09.40 | greycat | yes, that produces the list. |
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| 14:10.10 | syntaxx | ok |
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| 14:10.56 | tchino | greaycat: i think, i need not much help, i get the message, when i send emails with exim4: Need to authenticate via SMTP-AUTH-Login |
| 14:11.07 | tchino | whta is wrong |
| 14:11.26 | illsci | do you know of any reason that when you boot off a sarge cd that as soon as it loaded the kernel and displayed the screen where you select the language it would just hang |
| 14:11.31 | illsci | and the keyboard goes dead... |
| 14:11.31 | Hecate | antgel: So... I need to install Cygwin on the linux server and Cygwin/x on the win one? |
| 14:11.37 | greycat | I don't do SMTP AUTH. Oh, yeah, and I don't run exim. Ask #exim. |
| 14:11.44 | illsci | you can ctrl alt del or anything |
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| 14:11.47 | illsci | cant i mean |
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| 14:12.05 | greycat | Hecate: no. |
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| 14:12.06 | illsci | if i use the 2.4 kernel it works fine |
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| 14:12.07 | antgel | Hecate: no. you install cygwin/x on windows. suggest you visit ww.cygwin.org, which explains that is is. |
| 14:12.13 | illsci | but they has no support of my sata disks |
| 14:12.15 | greycat | Hecate: you install cygwin on windows, and you install debian on the linux server. |
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| 14:12.42 | antgel | my typing is retarded |
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| 14:12.57 | Hecate | antgel: Yeah I'm actually reading the user guide... it seems outdated or something because much of the things written don't work |
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| 14:13.15 | antgel | Hecate: such as? |
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| 14:13.19 | beardy | Hecate: Which one? |
| 14:13.41 | antgel | Hecate: install it. then run the startxwin.bat script in c:\cygwin\usr\X11\bin |
| 14:13.50 | Hecate | antgel: They are talking about a xwin.exe file, which is not present anywhere |
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| 14:13.54 | ravo | hi, there seems to be no kernel-image-2.6.8-2 for the k6? is it okay to run it on the k7 or the 686 image? |
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| 14:14.19 | greycat | ravo: no, neither one is OK on a K6 |
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| 14:14.26 | greycat | ravo: use -386 if you have no -k6 |
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| 14:14.32 | beardy | ravo: Probably not. You have to use i386 |
| 14:14.36 | antgel | Hecate: when you installed cygwin, did you specify the xorg base package? |
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| 14:14.53 | Hecate | antgel: Ah, I probably need that... |
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| 14:15.04 | ravo | greycat: will it run any worse running it on the image for the 386 ? |
| 14:15.24 | error403 | just a quick question - how do i sync the hw clock to the software clock |
| 14:15.24 | error403 | ? |
| 14:15.27 | antgel | Hecate: if you're reading the docs, you would have spotted that at http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/setup-cygwin-x-installing.html |
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| 14:16.20 | Hecate | antgel: ah yeah I just installed the default things... I presume they installed it |
| 14:16.21 | beardy | ravo: I doubt you'll notice any difference when doing "normal" things. Perhaps some difference can be noticed under extremely heavy load. |
| 14:16.29 | Hecate | antgel: I'll re-run install |
| 14:16.35 | ravo | weird how they havnt got one for the k6 :/ |
| 14:16.38 | HoserHead | error403: hwclock --sys-to-hc |
| 14:16.42 | greycat | ravo: the k6 isn't exactly a speed demon to begin with. |
| 14:16.43 | beardy | error403: man hwclock |
| 14:16.48 | error403 | HoserHead, thankyou |
| 14:16.53 | HoserHead | (as root) |
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| 14:17.08 | ravo | greycat: alot faster than a 386 tho :) |
| 14:17.13 | greycat | ravo: you could build your own image for the -k6 if you have a lot of time to waste, but I wouldn't bother. |
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| 14:17.31 | defcon8 | i need to test skype with someone. can someone help? |
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| 14:17.39 | error403 | defcon8, sure |
| 14:17.45 | greycat | there's no #skype? |
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| 14:17.52 | greycat | or is it "secret"? |
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| 14:17.58 | error403 | lol |
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| 14:18.41 | defcon8 | error403, nick? |
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| 14:19.00 | error403 | defcon8, alan.briolat |
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| 14:19.13 | FieldySnuts | greycat: it's closed and proprietary, i'd hope there wasn't, at least on freenode |
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| 14:19.58 | dak | is x.org in sid working or is it messed up ? |
| 14:20.05 | skate | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.08 | ndee | can it be that a file is not-editable as root? Also with the correct permissions, etc? |
| 14:20.09 | dak | yeah i see |
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| 14:20.13 | skate | install it |
| 14:20.16 | dak | but theirs the gcc shit |
| 14:20.16 | skate | and see |
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| 14:20.29 | dak | go smoke some schawg |
| 14:20.30 | defcon8 | error403, gonna answer? |
| 14:20.32 | greycat | dak: X isn't written in C++. there's no "gcc" shit. just "g++" shit. |
| 14:20.41 | skate | schawg? |
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| 14:20.53 | dak | ah didnt know, thought cuz of the kde stuff and all that x.org was messed up |
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| 14:21.02 | dak | i dunno |
| 14:21.04 | greycat | x.org isn't messed up AFAIK |
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| 14:21.06 | dak | thanks greycat |
| 14:21.06 | error403 | defcon8, alan.briolat |
| 14:21.11 | defcon8 | i added you |
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| 14:21.16 | skate | xorg runs fine depending on what you want to do with it |
| 14:21.22 | error403 | defcon8, oh, ok |
| 14:21.23 | error403 | lol |
| 14:21.27 | defcon8 | and you wouldnt answer |
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| 14:21.32 | skate | start messing with transparent windows and everything lags hardcore |
| 14:21.38 | poison | hi all, how can I create a hard link to a directory? |
| 14:21.42 | greycat | poison: can't. |
| 14:21.54 | greycat | symlinks only. |
| 14:21.55 | poison | I'm running tux httpd server and it seems that it doesn't follow symlinks |
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| 14:21.59 | beardy | poison: You have to symlink. |
| 14:22.00 | error403 | defcon8, sorry, was on a terminal screen |
| 14:22.05 | defcon8 | ok |
| 14:22.06 | greycat | poison: if it's chrooted, then it sure won't. |
| 14:22.10 | defcon8 | shall i call you again? |
| 14:22.10 | error403 | defcon8, try again |
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| 14:22.14 | poison | I don't think it's chrooted |
| 14:22.17 | poison | but I don't know |
| 14:22.21 | greycat | poison: otherwise, maybe it has a config option to follow them, like apache. |
| 14:22.24 | poison | can I mount a folder to another folder? |
| 14:22.32 | Yoe | poison: yes, use mount --bind |
| 14:22.35 | greycat | poison: in 2.4.x+ yes. |
| 14:22.36 | Hecate | antgel: All right I selected the xorg things I'll be back when installation finish |
| 14:22.46 | defcon8 | now it isnt fucking connecting to you |
| 14:22.46 | greycat | (Linux 2.4.x, that is) |
| 14:22.57 | defcon8 | error403, you arent online |
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| 14:23.04 | error403 | defcon8, i think you killed my Skype... lol |
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| 14:23.11 | error403 | defcon8, 1 min |
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| 14:23.18 | defcon8 | lol |
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| 14:23.24 | poison | so mount --bind /real/path /my/fooled/link |
| 14:23.26 | poison | ? |
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| 14:23.37 | error403 | defcon8, there.... |
| 14:23.53 | Yoe | poison: I think that's it, yes. Sorry, didn't read the manpage ;-) |
| 14:23.56 | defcon8 | error403, nope |
| 14:24.00 | defcon8 | did you get my request? |
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| 14:24.22 | error403 | defcon8, /msg ? |
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| 14:24.27 | Gathond | poison: options to mount is in the form -o option, not --option (at least I know -o works :)) |
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| 14:24.42 | greycat | Gathond: --bind is "special". |
| 14:24.46 | poison | Gathond ? |
| 14:24.58 | greycat | Gathond: and yes, it causes great confusion with people trying to convert a mount command into an fstab line. |
| 14:25.10 | Gathond | greycat: what does --bind do that -o bind does not? |
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| 14:25.20 | greycat | Gathond: nothing :) |
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| 14:25.23 | Yoe | Gathond: nothing. |
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| 14:25.42 | greycat | but most howtos seem to use --bind and then you can't figure out where that goes in fstab(5) |
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| 14:25.45 | Gathond | greycat: great, so someone just happened to think adding that one option as --bind as well was clever? |
| 14:25.52 | greycat | Gathond: welcome to linux. |
| 14:25.53 | Yoe | Gathond: apparently |
| 14:26.00 | Yoe | greycat: heh :) |
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| 14:26.23 | Gathond | greycat: thanks:) I've been there a while though :) |
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| 14:26.49 | tjrobb | Wanted to thnak skate and some of the other folks who helped me get my amd64 machine and radeon x300 video card to run x.. it was 4 in the morning.. they were a last resort and it worked. Thanks. |
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| 14:27.15 | greycat | tjrobb: anything beyond "just run x.org"? |
| 14:27.17 | honschu | How to detected what program uses /dev/lp0 ? |
| 14:27.24 | greycat | honschu: lsof, fuser |
| 14:27.27 | honschu | thx |
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| 14:27.43 | tjrobb | no but I wouldnt have run x.org without him telling me to |
| 14:27.56 | greycat | tjrobb: ok, thanks for letting us know it worked |
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| 14:28.42 | poison | tnx guys |
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| 14:31.34 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: "a qotd contender"? |
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| 14:32.50 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: FLW |
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| 14:33.21 | ricky_clarkson | !flw |
| 14:33.21 | dpkg | it has been said that flw38 is * Guerin goes to upgrade sid on his own box, to prove it can be done by people who know how |
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| 14:34.50 | greycat | !qotd0 |
| 14:34.50 | dpkg | i guess qotd141 is <scenestar> is there a graphical uitlity to configure gdm? |
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| 14:36.11 | moeen | how can I configure mail for my smtp server ? |
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| 14:36.51 | womble | moeen: What do you want to do with your server? Relay to another server, deliver directly, receive for local accounts, virtual domains? |
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| 14:37.33 | hcy_frantic | help me please! I had to restart my computer and when i did it wouldn't log me into gnome - i get "Error starting Gnome Settings Daemon. Some things may not work correctly..." and it just hangs. Right now I booted Knoppix to fix it. Please help me! |
| 14:37.35 | greycat | moeen: smtp servers tend to do "mail" pretty much automatically. |
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| 14:38.41 | skate | hcy_frantic: why the hell would you boot with a live cd to fix your window manager? |
| 14:38.46 | moeen | womble, I want to send mail with "mail" with for ex. yahoo smtp server |
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| 14:39.29 | womble | moeen: Do you want to relay all mail to all destinations through Yahoo's servers (unlikely), or do you just want your mail server to deliver directly to wherever it needs to go? |
| 14:39.32 | Gathond | moeen: I think that is besides the scope of what mail supports |
| 14:39.47 | genera | hcy_frantic: sounds like a #gnome problem, not debian |
| 14:39.53 | hcy_frantic | skate, because how else would i connect to irc and/or a webbrowser to fix it? |
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| 14:39.58 | Gathond | moeen: at least without some local smtp server thing to actualy take hand of the smtp bit |
| 14:40.10 | moeen | womble, relay all mails to mail.gmx.net in fact :D |
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| 14:40.18 | womble | moeen: Using Exim? |
| 14:40.19 | skate | hcy_frantic: there are irc clients that don't need pretty GUIs. |
| 14:40.20 | hcy_frantic | genera, i'm a debian user, and the only thing i can think of that might have causeed this is that I did an apt-get upgrade before rebooting |
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| 14:40.25 | Wanderer_ | blah |
| 14:40.35 | tarzeau | greycat: look sfine to me: sengun:x:4256:1034:Guerkan Senguen:/home/sengun:/bin/zsh |
| 14:40.36 | Wanderer_ | someone set a pass on my nick |
| 14:40.36 | moeen | womble, doesn't have anything now ! must install exim ? |
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| 14:41.03 | skate | hcy_frantic: what the hell are you going to do, write down what we tell you and reboot debian? |
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| 14:41.05 | womble | moeen: If you install postfix, all you need to do is set relayhost = mail.gmx.net in /etc/postfix/main.cf and it'll all just work (more or less) |
| 14:41.09 | skate | reboot and come back. |
| 14:41.09 | greycat | tarzeau: so which application is getting a value other than /home/sengun for your home directory? |
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| 14:41.13 | hcy_frantic | skate, yes |
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| 14:41.24 | womble | moeen: Although if you're always connected, you can use nullmailer or ssmtp for a much simpler configuration experience |
| 14:41.25 | tarzeau | greycat: i only noticed irssi to do so |
| 14:41.31 | greycat | tarzeau: what's it getting? |
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| 14:41.43 | tarzeau | greycat: i think it can be reproduced if you move your /home/real to something else and try HOME=/tmp irssi |
| 14:41.49 | moeen | womble, no, I use Dialup connection |
| 14:41.54 | illsci | how do you feed the debian installer a device driver when you install.... and what format does the driver have to be in |
| 14:41.54 | tarzeau | greycat: /home/sengun as above, which is not there for another reason |
| 14:42.06 | tarzeau | greycat: i tell irssi HOME=/tmp but it doesn't eat it |
| 14:42.07 | womble | moeen: Definitely postfix and relayhost then. |
| 14:42.16 | greycat | tarzeau: you just said "look sfine to m e" |
| 14:42.20 | tarzeau | illsci: what drvier do you need? |
| 14:42.22 | greycat | or something like that. |
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| 14:42.30 | illsci | its a sata driver |
| 14:42.31 | tarzeau | greycat: the ypmatch looked fine to me |
| 14:42.31 | greycat | tarzeau: so... is the NIS map RIGHT or WRONG? |
| 14:42.32 | moeen | womble, is it possible to use sendmail, too ? |
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| 14:42.39 | illsci | im looking which one right now |
| 14:42.44 | womble | moeen: I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 14:42.48 | tarzeau | greycat: nis is working perfectly, and it's right |
| 14:42.56 | womble | moeen: Sendmail is bad. |
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| 14:43.04 | tarzeau | greycat: the problem is /home/sengun is not there, and i want to teach irssi to not use /home/sengun (since it is not there) |
| 14:43.07 | valdyn_ | illsci: have you tried linux26 at the bootprompt? |
| 14:43.12 | illsci | YES |
| 14:43.14 | hcy_frantic | skate, also i could chroot and do stuff in here |
| 14:43.16 | illsci | it just hangs |
| 14:43.17 | tarzeau | very simple, in dillo i can do HOME=/tmp dillo and it uses /tmp |
| 14:43.17 | greycat | tarzeau: if /home/sengun is not there, then how can NIS be right? |
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| 14:43.28 | tarzeau | greycat: /home/sengun is automounted NFS, |
| 14:43.32 | tarzeau | NIS is perfectg |
| 14:43.33 | illsci | at the language screen but the 2.4 lets me in just not support for disks |
| 14:43.48 | tarzeau | illsci: i have a hacked up 2.4.31 d-i if you want |
| 14:43.48 | valdyn_ | !custom d-i |
| 14:43.48 | dpkg | somebody said custom d-i was http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
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| 14:43.50 | greycat | if your $HOME directory is missing due to an automount fuck-up, then it's time to GET OFF IRC and fix it! |
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| 14:44.02 | illsci | yeah ill give it a shot |
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| 14:44.08 | illsci | will you put it online for me |
| 14:44.17 | tarzeau | greycat: it only happens on a few computers.. it's time to go to the weekend and stay away from #debian for the weekend maybe :) |
| 14:44.26 | tarzeau | illsci: http://gnu.ethz.ch/d-i/ |
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| 14:44.53 | tarzeau | illsci: sure, it's already there. if you got via-rhine the module crc32.o is missing for it, but it's here (gunzip initrd.gz, loopbackmount, copy into, gzip) from here |
| 14:45.02 | tarzeau | illsci: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ |
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| 14:45.25 | hcy_frantic | skate, ok what's a command-line irc interface? |
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| 14:45.46 | Wanderer_ | is anyone having problems with debian sid, kde and libqt crap? |
| 14:45.53 | greycat | hcy_frantic: a *what*?? |
| 14:45.53 | tarzeau | Wanderer_: yes of course |
| 14:45.54 | Wanderer_ | yes, I looked at bts, nothing relevant I can see |
| 14:45.59 | tarzeau | Wanderer_: #debian-kde |
| 14:46.00 | greycat | hcy_frantic: surely you want a full-screen IRC client. |
| 14:46.10 | illsci | hmmm |
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| 14:46.13 | Wanderer_ | tarzeau: k, I'll try them. thanks |
| 14:46.14 | tarzeau | illsci: i'd be happy to get reports on how well it worked for you, and if you need more drivers. |
| 14:46.15 | hcy_frantic | greycat, with no gui |
| 14:46.18 | greycat | hcy_frantic: irssi-text |
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| 14:46.22 | tarzeau | illsci: also i'd like to see people use this for non-i386 ... |
| 14:46.25 | greycat | hcy_frantic: it's curses-based, not "command line". |
| 14:46.29 | illsci | i have to find out which on i need first |
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| 14:46.37 | hcy_frantic | sorry |
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| 14:46.57 | FlimFlamMan | i've moved to a new office - trying to set up a windows printer on debian-stable using foomatic-gui. the printer has these ports open: 135/msrpc 139/netbios-ssn 445/microsoft-ds 1025/NFS-or-IIS 3389/ms-term-serv .... i assume i have to set this up as a windows printer? do i have to create one in CUPS first or can i do it directly from foomatic-gui ? |
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| 14:47.32 | valdyn_ | FlimFlamMan: foomatic-gui is just another interface to the same things. |
| 14:47.35 | Anthro | FlimFlamMan: It doesn't have 9100 open, does it? |
| 14:47.43 | tsauter | FlimFlamMan: are you sure this is a printer? |
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| 14:47.56 | FlimFlamMan | no port 9100 (they are very windows-centric around here) |
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| 14:48.30 | tarzeau | god i hate the mozilla and firefox so much for their locking profiles and for their configurinability for .ps and .pdf |
| 14:48.38 | BenC | 3389-ms-term-serv sounds like an NT box |
| 14:49.02 | womble | FlimFlamMan: What god-forsaken beast of a printer is that? Just so I can carefully avoid it in my travels. |
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| 14:49.19 | illsci | tarzeau.... i dont see any disk controller debs or anything... |
| 14:49.22 | greycat | !womble++ |
| 14:49.23 | illsci | im not sure what you were pointing me to |
| 14:49.33 | tarzeau | illsci: what disk controller you have/need? |
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| 14:49.38 | illsci | let me find out |
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| 14:49.49 | tarzeau | illsci: i've only done this so i can install on newer nvidia nforce nforce network card systems |
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| 14:50.19 | BenC | FlimFlamMan: I assume you are trying to use a printer that is shared via a Windows box? |
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| 14:50.23 | BenC | if so, you need samba |
| 14:50.32 | Anthro | FlimFlamMan: Do you have smbclient installed? |
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| 14:50.43 | tsauter | or install the tcp-printservices on this nt machine |
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| 14:51.01 | valdyn_ | BenC: eh? |
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| 14:51.47 | [bono] | Question: boot process of my newly compiled 2.6/amd kernel gets stuck on the cron job pocess startup. After a while, I get: "NIT: Id "X" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" with X going from 1 to 6... It doesnt hang since i cant ctrl-alt-delete it... I googled unsuccessfully... System boots fine with official debians cd kernel (2.4). Any idea, please? |
| 14:51.50 | moeen | oops, Yahoo shows the mails that I send with "mail" as Spam :( |
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| 14:52.25 | valdyn_ | [bono]: you didnt compile in something you need in your custom kernel. |
| 14:52.34 | Seb | hi fellows |
| 14:52.38 | tsauter | [bono]: have you activated the virtual terminals? |
| 14:52.39 | BenC | [bono]: your getty's aren't starting properly (your console logins) |
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| 14:52.40 | greycat | [bono]: sounds like you missed something terminal-esque |
| 14:52.47 | thingfish | hey Seb |
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| 14:53.21 | Seb | recently I've been getting errors like "06:30:33 foo kernel: ata1: command 0x25 timeout, stat 0x50 host_stat 0x21" in my syslog, and immediatly afterwards, my / partition gets changed to read-only, which causes trouble as you can imagine... |
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| 14:53.26 | Seb | anyone seen that before ? |
| 14:53.31 | Seb | thingfish: sup man |
| 14:53.33 | greycat | sounds like hardware failure |
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| 14:53.44 | valdyn_ | Seb: driver bug or defective hardware |
| 14:53.44 | BenC | [bono]: make sure you enable the right console related kernel options (console on virtual terminal) |
| 14:53.48 | Seb | greycat: the dreaded answer :\ |
| 14:53.58 | BenC | or, if you are enabling framebuffer, make sure you enable frame buffer console |
| 14:54.06 | Seb | so, does this have to be related to my SATA HD, or could it be any other piece of HW in the PC ? |
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| 14:54.25 | BenC | Seb: probably your hd |
| 14:54.32 | jason^ | was mplayer taken out of debian's packages? i can't seem to find it anymore |
| 14:54.37 | Seb | i've been told that if a power source is becoming too weak, it can cause all sort of problems |
| 14:54.41 | jason^ | even though stuff like xmms requires mplayer |
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| 14:54.43 | tarzeau | jason^: it never was in |
| 14:54.45 | valdyn_ | jason^: when was it in debian? |
| 14:54.48 | jason^ | hmm |
| 14:54.49 | Anthro | !marillat |
| 14:54.49 | BenC | jason: it never was in debian's official packaging, afaik |
| 14:54.49 | dpkg | well, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
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| 14:54.55 | tarzeau | jason^: xmms requires mplayer? since when? |
| 14:54.55 | syntaxx | is it possible to install mutt in apt-get without installing dep? |
| 14:54.57 | valdyn_ | jason^: xmms does not require mplayer |
| 14:55.03 | Duke_Nuke | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.04 | greycat | syntaxx: no, and don't be stupid. |
| 14:55.04 | tarzeau | jason^: stop acting as it were weekend already! |
| 14:55.04 | jason^ | xmms-mplayer requires mplayer |
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| 14:55.12 | valdyn_ | syntaxx: no |
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| 14:55.14 | tarzeau | jason^: xmms-mplayer never existed, in debian |
| 14:55.23 | BenC | syntaxx: if you don't install the deps, mutt wont work :) |
| 14:55.34 | BenC | syntaxx: that's why they are dependencies, it depends on them to work |
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| 14:55.52 | syntaxx | does mutt support qmail? |
| 14:55.54 | tarzeau | jason^: oh you mean xmms-mmplayer ? |
| 14:56.00 | Anthro | syntaxx: Yes. |
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| 14:56.05 | Seb | syntaxx is on a roll this morning |
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| 14:56.08 | BenC | syntaxx: mutt supports smtp |
| 14:56.11 | tarzeau | jason^: that's in contrib, not in debian |
| 14:56.12 | valdyn_ | syntaxx: it has nothing directly to do with qmail |
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| 14:56.24 | Duke_Nuke | kmail/kontakt doesn't work in unstable (with kde 3.4), why? |
| 14:56.34 | valdyn_ | syntaxx: qmail is just one mta ( of many alternatives ) |
| 14:56.37 | Seb | dpkg, doesn't work |
| 14:56.47 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 14:56.48 | BenC | syntaxx: so anything that is smtp (postfix, exim, etc) mutt will use |
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| 14:56.56 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'm gonna get a new pc, on which I'm gonna install sid. Should I download sarge official netinstall CD or a daily snapshot build instead ? |
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| 14:57.05 | ircdevil | this is so unfair. |
| 14:57.10 | Seb | lord_rob: official netinstall, then dist-upgrade |
| 14:57.11 | [bono] | BenC: currently looking for the options in kernels config tool... |
| 14:57.15 | valdyn_ | lord_rob: sarge netinstall |
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| 14:57.23 | Seb | lord_rob: snapshot installs are officially unsupported |
| 14:57.24 | illsci | tarzeau: its a maxtor 7l250s0 |
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| 14:57.32 | ircdevil | yesterday usb mouse and usb tablet worked nicely together - even after reboot - and today they dont. fucking usb crap!!! |
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| 14:57.37 | BenC | lord_rob: do the stable install, and dist-upgrade |
| 14:57.45 | moeen | how can I specify my Mail when I want send mail with "mail" ? (it will show : moeen@locahost.localdomain now) |
| 14:57.47 | Seb | ircdevil: long time no see |
| 14:57.50 | greycat | lord_rob: do the stable net install AND THEN DO NOT "UPGRADE" to sid. |
| 14:57.55 | greycat | !sid upgrade |
| 14:57.55 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 14:57.55 | syntaxx | BenC: oh ok.. but when i try to download mutt it also download exims right? and im running qmail right now.. is there will be any conflict with qmail and exim? |
| 14:58.01 | Seb | moeen: configure your MTA accordingly |
| 14:58.03 | tarzeau | illsci: i've never heard of it, do you have any source driver for it? is it supported by stock linux ? |
| 14:58.06 | lord_rob | dist-upgrade or directly put sid (and etch) in my sources.list ? |
| 14:58.14 | moeen | !MTA |
| 14:58.14 | dpkg | somebody said mta was a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
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| 14:58.15 | illsci | i dont know |
| 14:58.16 | BenC | syntaxx: did you install qmail by hand? |
| 14:58.21 | syntaxx | BenC: yeah |
| 14:58.22 | illsci | let me see if i can find out more information on it |
| 14:58.26 | Anthro | ircdevil: Care to be more specific? |
| 14:58.28 | greycat | !wikifaq syntaxx MailQuestions |
| 14:58.29 | BenC | syntaxx: hold on |
| 14:58.30 | dpkg | syntaxx: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/MailQuestions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:58.33 | greycat | FUCKING BASTARDS. |
| 14:58.39 | lord_rob | greycat: I've been using sid for more than 3 years :) |
| 14:58.41 | CountZ | greycat: yah, fucking bastards!! |
| 14:58.42 | greycat | BenC: no need to "hold on". We already WROTE THE FAQ for that. |
| 14:58.46 | greycat | Like two years ago. |
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| 14:59.02 | syntaxx | thanks greycat |
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| 14:59.14 | valdyn_ | lord_rob: quite amazing how you can 'use' it for 3 years and not know how to dist-upgrade |
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| 14:59.19 | greycat | WHY don't people read /topic and FAQ? |
| 14:59.33 | Seb | greycat: bad morning ? :) |
| 14:59.40 | greycat | Seb: bad lifetime, apparently. |
| 14:59.40 | BenC | greycat: why must you be an ass? |
| 14:59.42 | CountZ | valdyn_: That's not possible.. you have to learn how to dist-upgrade on debian within 10 minutes of installation (or less). |
| 14:59.45 | Anthro | greycat: Too dull, not enough sex and explosions. |
| 14:59.51 | sussudio | :-| |
| 14:59.53 | greycat | !faqsmite everyone |
| 14:59.54 | dpkg | everyone: GO READ THE FAQ!! It's at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ -- greycat and others have SLAVED for HOURS to make a FAQ that answers your question and you don't even bother to read it! http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:59.58 | sussudio | "In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war." |
| 15:00.02 | Seb | greycat: hehe, don't be so pessimistic, man |
| 15:00.04 | lord_rob | valdyn_: I know how. BUt if I start from a netinstall cd I won't get any package, so I'm wondering the point of installing stable first |
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| 15:00.37 | valdyn_ | lord_rob: there's no point in it, except for that fact that that installer is known to work, while daily snapshots are not. |
| 15:00.37 | BenC | greycat: you know, we've had a lot of users complaining that this channel is a little rude to users, and you seem to be one of the rudest |
| 15:00.41 | Anthro | sussudio: And the other two? A terrorist attack in NYC and an earthquake in San Francisco. Two out of three so far. |
| 15:00.42 | CountZ | the children of the night are calling |
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| 15:00.45 | BenC | greycat: be polite, or don't answer |
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| 15:01.04 | Seb | trying not to think too hard about the quake, hehe |
| 15:01.07 | CountZ | benc: who is we? |
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| 15:01.15 | BenC | we == Debian |
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| 15:01.24 | CountZ | Who is Debian? |
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| 15:01.30 | Anthro | BenC: Are we not men? We are Debian. |
| 15:01.35 | CountZ | I thought Debian is a what, not a who |
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| 15:01.50 | Zomb | Anthro: we are the Debian. Resistant is futile. |
| 15:01.53 | Anthro | CountZ: Debian is a community, among other things. |
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| 15:02.07 | Duke_Nuke | kde on unstable isn't working.... kdelibs4!! |
| 15:02.09 | CountZ | Of course it is |
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| 15:02.09 | Duke_Nuke | why? |
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| 15:02.11 | BenC | Debian is a group of developers, not a what |
| 15:02.14 | Zomb | BenC: we need more Ex-DPLs here |
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| 15:02.24 | Seb | Duke_Nuke: because it's unstable ? |
| 15:02.33 | Seb | Duke_Nuke: you surely know about the BTS and all that |
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| 15:02.42 | Seb | Duke_Nuke: and take that too |
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| 15:02.48 | CountZ | BenC: I know, I was just curious if there was a specific places where those people went and complained, because I would like to go to that place too |
| 15:02.49 | Seb | dpkg, tell Duke_Nuke about doesn't work |
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| 15:02.58 | Anthro | !sidsmite Duke_Nuke |
| 15:03.06 | Seb | Anthro: good one :) |
| 15:03.09 | CountZ | BenC: things are worse on efnet #debian |
| 15:03.15 | valdyn_ | BenC: greycat is not only one of the rudest, but also one of the most useful if asked, i'd know which to pick |
| 15:03.19 | Yoe | Anthro: is that really necessary? |
| 15:03.22 | Anthro | Seb: I wasn't even sure a sidsmite existed, but I lucked out. |
| 15:03.22 | lord_rob | I've never installed sid with the new installer, only with woody installer. Doesn't the new installer allow you to modify /etc/apt/sources.list by hand ? |
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| 15:03.35 | CountZ | BenC: But you must agree that with the number of trolls and dimwits coming and asking the weirdest questions, it's not always easy to keep a cool spirit |
| 15:03.40 | Zomb | valdyn_: beeing helpfull is not an excuse for rudeness |
| 15:03.44 | Anthro | Yoe: Yes, yes it is. If you run sid and don't know how to deal with running sid, you need smiting. |
| 15:03.45 | Seb | greycat is not really rude. mwilson is. |
| 15:04.03 | CountZ | BenC: And I will vouch greycat is indeed one of the most useful people here. |
| 15:04.16 | BenC | CountZ: I've been lurking here the past couple of days, and most of the rudeness was not required |
| 15:04.16 | valdyn_ | Zomb: thats not the point, i merely prefer rude useful to polite useless answers. |
| 15:04.22 | skate | you know what, this whole "rudeness" thing is a joke, there are other operating system based channels that are ten times worse than this one |
| 15:04.26 | Anthro | lord_rob: I think so. Is it not giving you that option? |
| 15:04.30 | sussudio | !be mwilson barbie |
| 15:04.31 | dpkg | What in the world does that have to do with barbie? Other than nothing, of course. |
| 15:04.33 | [bono] | BenC: Greycat: valdyn: tsauter: I had framebuffer enabled but no framebuffer console support... That should be the problem, right? |
| 15:04.36 | Zomb | valdyn_: and the truth is somewhere inbetween... |
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| 15:04.42 | Duke_Nuke | Seb, now i'm trying to switch to testing, but i get the same problem |
| 15:04.42 | BenC | [bono]: yep |
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| 15:04.47 | lord_rob | Anthro: don't know, just wondering |
| 15:04.48 | Zomb | s,in,, |
| 15:04.52 | Seb | Duke_Nuke: downgrading is not supported |
| 15:04.54 | valdyn_ | Zomb: as always ) |
| 15:04.58 | [bono] | BenC: i appreciate. thanks. |
| 15:04.59 | BenC | look, #debian on here is not really a channel that Debian promotes officially |
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| 15:05.01 | Seb | what is that factoid about drinking and upgrading to sid ? |
| 15:05.03 | Anthro | lord_rob: I'm moderately certain that it does. |
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| 15:05.26 | BenC | but our users see it that way, and we've been trying to ignore the issue of users who are dissatisfied with this channel for a long time |
| 15:05.26 | Seb | BenC: the one on freenode you mean ? |
| 15:05.30 | CountZ | BenC: I think energy is never spent, it is transmuted into another form of energy. Hence, the "Stupidity" form of energy, when spent in this channel, may be transformed into into the "rudeness" kind of energy, for example. |
| 15:05.30 | BenC | yes |
| 15:05.44 | lord_rob | ok, downloading netinst iso then |
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| 15:05.53 | Seb | BenC: i've alway sthught it was an official support channel for debian |
| 15:05.59 | Seb | always thought |
| 15:06.00 | `Ku | Will debian work good on a Laptop? |
| 15:06.07 | Anthro | CountZ: and rudeness is more entropic than stupidity? I don't think so. |
| 15:06.08 | Seb | `Ku: most definitely |
| 15:06.10 | CountZ | :-) |
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| 15:06.11 | `Ku | On a IBM T43 ThinkPAD |
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| 15:06.17 | CountZ | who cares about entropy |
| 15:06.21 | Seb | `Ku: linux-laptops.net |
| 15:06.22 | Zomb | `Ku: depends on the definition of "good" and the Model |
| 15:06.28 | BenC | so we'de just like people in this channel to understand that even though they are not affiliated with Debian, that if they participate in this channel, new users cannot discern non-Debian people from Debian people |
| 15:06.31 | Zomb | `Ku: www.tuxmobile.org |
| 15:06.32 | Seb | or maybe linux-laptop.net |
| 15:06.33 | Anthro | `Ku: I had great success with it on a T42. Never tried a T43. |
| 15:06.35 | BenC | the whole channel is seen as a reflection on Debian |
| 15:06.49 | sussudio | !fist BenC |
| 15:06.50 | `Ku | Can you do a dual boot? |
| 15:06.53 | CountZ | I prefer to see it as a reflection of our planet |
| 15:06.54 | valdyn_ | `Ku: thinkpads work fine with debian, to get all features supported however you might still need a custom kernel. ( i always use a custom kernel so im probably not up to date there ) |
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| 15:07.00 | `Ku | 1 book xp 1 bood debian |
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| 15:07.11 | CountZ | this is not some commercial spot where standards need to be maintained |
| 15:07.12 | `Ku | Their are some wifi apps that onley work in Linux |
| 15:07.21 | Anthro | valdyn_: I didn't need a custom kernel, but I needed some extra kernel modules. |
| 15:07.24 | valdyn_ | `Ku: sure |
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| 15:07.34 | J00 | hello everyone. Can anyone send me a link of a howto install some Aureal drivers? |
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| 15:07.43 | BenC | who controls the FAQ in the topic? |
| 15:07.49 | CountZ | J00: Google will gladly provide you with that. |
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| 15:08.15 | `Ku | Whats 45% on a test lol F? |
| 15:08.39 | J00 | i've been all over google CountZ |
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| 15:08.40 | valdyn_ | Anthro: im still using a patch to switch off something agp / gfx related in suspend to ram. |
| 15:08.43 | illsci | tarzeau: its using libata and a sata_promise module.... |
| 15:08.45 | sussudio | J00: you lie |
| 15:08.48 | CountZ | J00: Ok I will go to google for you |
| 15:08.50 | illsci | so i guess its a promise sata controller |
| 15:09.11 | Seb | BenC: tarzeau does |
| 15:09.17 | Seb | BenC: at least it's his site |
| 15:09.21 | J00 | i have been to many sites but i'm confuzed cuz the sites are all saying kinda different things |
| 15:09.33 | Anthro | valdyn_: Ah, I never had a need for suspending/hibernating stuff. |
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| 15:09.59 | CountZ | J00: Such is linux, you sometimes have to do some research. If you think major confusion exists for some matter, you could create a wiki about it, to help others with the same problem. |
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| 15:10.33 | CountZ | J00: Ok here is what google gave me: http://aureal.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 15:11.03 | CountZ | J00: They say the 1.1.2 driver is usable but they still recommend using the cvs version |
| 15:11.29 | J00 | ok this site i never found and if sussudio would like a list of sites i've looked at i'll send them to him |
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| 15:12.01 | CountZ | J00: how do you explain it took me 3.423581 seconds to find this page for you? |
| 15:12.11 | CountZ | J00: I typed: Linux Aureal Vortex |
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| 15:12.25 | Gathond | CountZ: you are just so god like :) |
| 15:12.26 | Seb | CountZ: you must have a different google ;) |
| 15:12.27 | CountZ | J00: And that was the first link, I could have clicked the "I'm feeling lucky" button even.. |
| 15:12.31 | J00 | i been typing Debian Aureal drivers |
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| 15:12.48 | CountZ | Seb: I do indeed have a different google, from a separate dimension |
| 15:12.55 | Seb | CountZ: see, I knew it |
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| 15:13.10 | Kobaz | does anyone know how to get the lcd to power off on a dell laptop... kernel 2.6 so it's acpi |
| 15:13.14 | CountZ | in that dimension google have taken over the planet, and have just managed to replace the UN with some very smart script |
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| 15:13.37 | J00 | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Aureal&card=AU8810.&chip=AU8810&module=au8810 here is one i found but kinda confused me |
| 15:13.38 | CountZ | in that dimension osama bin laden is a script kiddie working for microsoft |
| 15:13.53 | J00 | if you have to see more to be CONVINCED i'm not lazy and i am try i'll give you more |
| 15:14.00 | CountZ | and in many ways they are similar between the dimensions ;-) |
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| 15:14.19 | CountZ | J00: Hey dude relax I was just playing with you ;-) here, I love you, ok? :-) |
| 15:14.27 | J00 | lol =P |
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| 15:14.48 | J00 | well damn you people think we all are lazy if we ask anything and the site i found for this channel said its a help channel |
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| 15:15.20 | CountZ | J00: I don't think you'r lazy, you lazy ass.. |
| 15:15.24 | CountZ | ;-) |
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| 15:15.37 | J00 | = ) |
| 15:15.39 | paroneayea | okay... normally I wouldn't do something I could otherwise find, but I'm in a super time-crunch |
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| 15:15.56 | CountZ | J00: Anyway why don't you replace that card? It seems like the original company is now gone... |
| 15:16.08 | CountZ | J00: Is it a good card? (low S/N ratio?) |
| 15:16.08 | J00 | well it works great |
| 15:16.09 | paroneayea | I've forgotten how you select to install a stable or unstable version of a package |
| 15:16.15 | paroneayea | I've got it set up so I could do either |
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| 15:16.19 | Seb | paroneayea: search for pinning |
| 15:16.20 | BenC | apt-get install foo/unstable |
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| 15:16.26 | paroneayea | thanks :) |
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| 15:16.42 | Seb | BenC: somehow J00 just summed it up for us :| |
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| 15:17.36 | `Ku | god colleges are dumb |
| 15:17.43 | `Ku | they make you take classes you don't need at all |
| 15:17.50 | `Ku | for a computer degree |
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| 15:19.07 | illsci | hey haters..... no idea what the debian dell stuff i was talking about was |
| 15:19.13 | illsci | http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers |
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| 15:19.31 | thingfish | `Ku: it's called making sure you get a well-rounded education. |
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| 15:21.22 | `Ku | No its called making you pay for shit |
| 15:21.25 | valdyn_ | which age is 'college' at? |
| 15:21.26 | `Ku | that you don't need |
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| 15:21.40 | `Ku | BS have to take 6 math classes now |
| 15:21.41 | dinhoguitar | hello |
| 15:21.42 | Seb | > 18 |
| 15:21.47 | dinhoguitar | 17 |
| 15:21.54 | Seb | `Ku: will help ya for writing algorithms |
| 15:21.54 | `Ku | after I got all my computer cerdits out of the way |
| 15:21.58 | Seb | `Ku: now stop moaning |
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| 15:22.10 | opioid | what package do i need to install to have a java runtime env ? |
| 15:22.15 | dinhoguitar | i am new |
| 15:22.16 | Seb | valdyn_: where ya from ? |
| 15:22.17 | opioid | for webpage applets, etc |
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| 15:22.20 | `Ku | "dell sucks" |
| 15:22.21 | dinhoguitar | in linux |
| 15:22.22 | Seb | dpkg ,tell opioid about java |
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| 15:22.24 | valdyn_ | Seb: germany |
| 15:22.27 | BenC | `Ku: if you didn't want all the extra classes, you should have went to ITT, ECPI, or just gotten a Microsoft Cert :) |
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| 15:22.29 | opioid | thanks Seb |
| 15:22.36 | Seb | opioid: don't hesitate to read the topic :> |
| 15:22.39 | dinhoguitar | help |
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| 15:22.43 | dinhoguitar | please |
| 15:22.48 | Seb | valdyn_: k, it's university for us ;) |
| 15:22.55 | `Ku | I am going to get a lawer to sue the hell out of the school |
| 15:23.01 | dinhoguitar | i am brazil |
| 15:23.03 | Seb | dpkg, tell dinhoguitar about punctuation |
| 15:23.08 | Seb | dpkg, tell dinhoguitar about ask |
| 15:23.09 | valdyn_ | Seb: uh, no not exactly |
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| 15:23.14 | BenC | dinhoguitar: don't beg for help, just ask your question, please |
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| 15:23.23 | Seb | valdyn_: ? |
| 15:23.29 | valdyn_ | Seb: i thought its more like preparation to university, isnt it? |
| 15:23.38 | dinhoguitar | help in all |
| 15:23.39 | Seb | dinhoguitar: maybe #debian-br would be better for you |
| 15:23.50 | Seb | valdyn_: nah, college = university |
| 15:23.53 | FlopsyPete | in trying to setup LTSP to PXE boot. syslog says in.tftpd cannot set groups for user nobody. anyone know whats wrong? |
| 15:23.57 | valdyn_ | Seb: ok, thanks |
| 15:24.05 | Seb | valdyn_: no problem :) |
| 15:24.12 | dinhoguitar | thank you |
| 15:24.18 | kaouete | someone know why php5.0-pear is not in the repository made by dexter on people.debian.org anymore ? |
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| 15:24.31 | Seb | kaouete: why not ask him directly ? |
| 15:24.33 | J00 | ok i found the drivers.. the site is saying that it is best to use CVS to install these. Me having never used CVS or installed Driver to linux before is wondering is CVS the same on all linux distro? So if i find that BSD or REDHAT have a howto install drivers with CVS its the same as on debian? |
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| 15:24.49 | Seb | J00: yes, pretty much |
| 15:24.51 | J00 | ok |
| 15:24.54 | kaouete | Seb: it could be a good idea yes :] |
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| 15:25.03 | valdyn_ | J00: is it yet certain that alsa itself does not support your card? |
| 15:25.10 | BenC | J00: you don't use CVS to install the drivers |
| 15:25.24 | BenC | J00: you use CVS to get the driver source, and the install is the same as if you downloaded a tar |
| 15:25.33 | J00 | yes it is i found that site that said they are used in alsa |
| 15:25.36 | Seb | BenC: his terminology is a bit off, but if we stop at that, we ai'nt gonna be there anytime soon ;) |
| 15:25.39 | BenC | the source probably has an INSTALL for how to do it |
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| 15:25.56 | J00 | http://aureal.sourceforge.net/ go here BenC and look at Status |
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| 15:26.14 | J00 | The current drivers (1.1.2) are in usable state. However, it is recommended that the cvs be used instead |
| 15:26.17 | J00 | this is what its telling me |
| 15:26.22 | Hecate | antgel: Ok xthing work but now I need Telnet to connect to the linux server right? |
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| 15:26.35 | BenC | J00: they use "cvs" in the context, that you should use the source code that is downloaded using the CVS program |
| 15:26.37 | Seb | Hecate: no, you need ssh, not telnet |
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| 15:26.53 | Hecate | youre right |
| 15:26.56 | J00 | ahhh |
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| 15:26.58 | J00 | ok |
| 15:27.05 | BenC | J00: CVS is for getting files, and they keep their latest source code in a CVS repository |
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| 15:27.44 | BenC | sourceforget has a howto on how to use CVS to get project files |
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| 15:27.52 | J00 | see all i have learned from my howto yesterday was the apt-get for installing he never said anything on CVS |
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| 15:28.06 | BenC | apt-get install cvs |
| 15:28.09 | Seb | haha |
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| 15:28.12 | BenC | then follow the instructions |
| 15:28.19 | J00 | ok |
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| 15:29.01 | n3x_ | Hi,, is there a way to echo the date in a simple console script.. i have cp -r /var/lib/mysql/ /backup ... but i want it to do Daily backup and have after /backup/DATE-TIME |
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| 15:29.42 | valdyn_ | !find snd-au8810.ko |
| 15:29.44 | frankie | J00: those sources are so ancient (3-4 years) that i think you will get nothing usable currently |
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| 15:29.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'snd-au8810.ko' (3 of 25): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/sound/pci/au88x0/snd-au8810.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/kernel/sound/pci/au88x0/snd-au8810.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/pci/au88x0/snd-au8810.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386. |
| 15:30.13 | poirot | why debian is named debian? |
| 15:30.15 | pirre | n3x_: man date, man cron |
| 15:30.20 | valdyn_ | J00: debian 2.6 kernels might support your card just fine.. according to this. Have you tried those? |
| 15:30.20 | Seb | n3x_: date, yeah |
| 15:30.32 | Seb | poirot: deborah, ian. Ask google for more. |
| 15:30.38 | Hecate | poirot: eh I know: Its the combination of the name of the 2 inventor |
| 15:30.39 | n3x_ | seb mind just telling me |
| 15:30.40 | poirot | thanks |
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| 15:30.46 | Seb | n3x_: i do |
| 15:30.49 | Hecate | I'm not so noob! :) |
| 15:31.07 | Seb | n3x_: man date was a perfectly fine answer |
| 15:31.12 | pirre | n3x_: Spoonfeeding Is Bad [TM] |
| 15:31.12 | valdyn_ | my god, aureal 1.1.2 is from january 2001 |
| 15:31.25 | Seb | J00: try a debian 2.6 kernel image |
| 15:31.43 | [bono] | My amd's/2.6 kernel still stops at the cron process starting point... I tried playing with framebuffer/fb_console options but none of them work... What are the relevant terminal options i can play with? Anyone? |
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| 15:31.52 | Seb | Hecate: name of the inventor, and his girlfriend's, to be precise ;) |
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| 15:32.02 | valdyn_ | [bono]: why dont you use a debian kernel? |
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| 15:32.18 | Hecate | seb: Yeah I knew, but I was keeping suspense |
| 15:32.24 | Seb | heh |
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| 15:32.34 | Hecate | and Its prononced 'Debeen' or something |
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| 15:32.44 | Seb | not exactly, no |
| 15:32.47 | Hecate | with a muted first 'e' eh eh |
| 15:32.58 | Seb | not for english-speaking people, at least |
| 15:33.20 | valdyn_ | Hecate: Deb like in Debra, ian like in 'Ian' |
| 15:33.31 | [bono] | valdyn_: ive used it before... i want specific ip packet filtering options... |
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| 15:33.46 | Seb | [bono]: they will be in the Debian kernels |
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| 15:33.56 | Seb | [bono]: really, there is no reason to not use them |
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| 15:34.23 | valdyn_ | [bono]: so you could just use a debian kernel config and alter whatever you want altered in your own kernel ( though i still see no reason why debian kernels should not provide the filtering options you require ) |
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| 15:34.43 | cmtheory | hello |
| 15:35.08 | valdyn_ | [bono]: beyond that there's a 2.4->2.6 migration guide on kerneltrap.org, that should list stuff you *need* to have checked for the kernel to be useful at all. |
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| 15:35.40 | PerfDave | I'm making a kernel-image package from a kernel-source package with a patched orinoco driver for some wireless stuff, and I'm not sure how best to invoke make-kpkg to replicate the stock kernel-image package, particularly with reference to initrd. Do I just need "make-kpkg --append-to-version -orinoco --initrd kernel_image"? |
| 15:36.02 | cmtheory | I just upgraded from e16 to e17, but where did all the fancy transitions go (minimize/maximize) and all the sexy(;)) sounds? how can i configure this???? |
| 15:36.23 | JEisen83 | Hey... I've been trying to compile a program other dists don't seem to have a problem with, and I'm getting errors in zlib.h. |
| 15:36.28 | valdyn_ | cmtheory: e17 is not really an 'upgrade' its a completely new window manager. |
| 15:37.06 | valdyn_ | JEisen83: if we dont know the error then we cannot help ) |
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| 15:37.33 | Seb | PerfDave: pretty much |
| 15:38.19 | PerfDave | Seb: Groovy. It's been a while since I had to use anyuthing other than a Debian-provided kernel-image ;) |
| 15:38.24 | [bono] | valdyn_: i remember some package i had to install, but kerneltrap's article makes mention of none... |
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| 15:38.31 | BenC | JEisen83: the error would be more helpful |
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| 15:38.41 | Seb | PerfDave: heh |
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| 15:39.04 | cmtheory | valdyn_: okey. but isn't it possible to configure it to make sounds when i ex. minimize a window?? |
| 15:39.08 | JEisen83 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.08 | JEisen83 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.08 | JEisen83 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.09 | JEisen83 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:39.29 | JEisen83 | Sigh... sorry about that. Hit paste twice accidentally. |
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| 15:39.36 | BenC | JEisen83: you're program is evil, it should not include kernel headers |
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| 15:39.39 | Seb | dpkg, tell JEisen83 about paster |
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| 15:39.52 | BenC | JEisen83: what program is it? |
| 15:39.57 | tarzeau | if i see a something 2>>&1 is that possibly a syntax error and really should be 2>&1 ? |
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| 15:40.13 | Seb | tarzeau: what shell ? |
| 15:40.19 | JEisen83 | BenC: ldcc |
| 15:40.22 | BenC | what is that? |
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| 15:40.37 | tarzeau | PerfDave: that's how i do it: www.linuks.mine.nu/make-kpkg/ |
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| 15:40.41 | Seb | tarzeau: but yeah, it's most likely a syntax error, the correct way wiuld be foo >> log 2>&1 |
| 15:40.43 | tarzeau | Seb: /bin/sh (bash) |
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| 15:40.46 | EdibleText | JEisen83, perhaps you need zlib1g-dev |
| 15:40.49 | [bono] | valdyn_: Seb: can i install a precompiled kernel with apt? any url please? |
| 15:40.49 | J00 | well my shift is over i'm going home to try to get my card up.. thanks for all the info CountZ Seb valdyn_ BenC and anyone i missed.. i'll see ya'll later |
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| 15:40.52 | JEisen83 | Console-level Direct Connect using TurboVision. |
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| 15:40.57 | EdibleText | JEisen83, apt-get install zlib1g-dev |
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| 15:41.12 | Seb | [bono]: apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 15:41.12 | BenC | EdibleText: that's not his problem |
| 15:41.12 | valdyn_ | [bono]: apt-cache search kernel-image, pick one, install one. |
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| 15:41.22 | BenC | JEisen83: I still have to ask, what is that? :) |
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| 15:41.53 | JEisen83 | Err... file sharing program. |
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| 15:41.58 | Hecate | niaaargg the screen keeps staying grey when I start Xwin |
| 15:42.12 | BenC | JEisen83: look in the source and comment out any #includes that reference linux/*.h |
| 15:42.13 | skate | Hecate: did you switch to xorg? |
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| 15:42.33 | valdyn_ | JEisen83: TurboVision? like the one from Borland? |
| 15:42.33 | Seb | Hecate: well, edit your .xsession, and put a windowmanager in there maybe ? |
| 15:42.35 | Hecate | skate: switch to xorg? hmm well I installed the package but not more |
| 15:42.38 | BenC | Hecate: maybe you don't have a window manager installed |
| 15:42.46 | skate | no guys |
| 15:42.46 | Hecate | okay lemme look |
| 15:42.52 | skate | he switched from xfree86 to xorg |
| 15:42.53 | skate | if i remember |
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| 15:43.02 | skate | Hecate: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 15:43.07 | JEisen83 | BenC: Everything that the source thinks is in kernel headers should be in the other libs? |
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| 15:43.13 | Seb | skate: yet a "grey screen" is synonymous of "no X client" |
| 15:43.14 | JEisen83 | valdyn_: That's the one. |
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| 15:43.29 | skate | well, i think he originally switched because of a hardware problem |
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| 15:43.41 | BenC | JEisen83: dunno, but the kernel headers are conflicting with userspace headers, and the fact is, userspace programs should not really be using kernel headers (for this very reason) |
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| 15:44.02 | valdyn_ | JEisen83: your program has NO business at all looking for kernel headers. |
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| 15:44.46 | BenC | it's possible it is trying to find some ioctl or network define that is not normally is userspace, but that just makes it a badly written program |
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| 15:45.44 | JEisen83 | Actually, it's not calling on the linux headers at all... #ifdef HAVE_ZLIB #include <zlib.h> #include <zutil.h> #endif. |
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| 15:46.17 | Seb | JEisen83: apt-get install zlib1g-dev as someone pointed, then ? |
| 15:46.20 | EdibleText | JEisen83, it wouldnt hurt to install zlib1g-dev |
| 15:46.27 | BenC | Seb: he has them, look at his paste |
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| 15:46.35 | BenC | it shows /usr/include/zlib.h |
| 15:46.40 | EdibleText | JEisen83, its easier then dicking around with someone elses code.. |
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| 15:46.59 | JEisen83 | EdibleText: Already installed. |
| 15:47.01 | BenC | JEisen83: sounds like it is adding -I/usr/include/linux or something? |
| 15:47.13 | EdibleText | JEisen83, ok.. so now you can dick around... |
| 15:47.16 | BenC | check the gcc command line it shows for weird -I's |
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| 15:47.41 | JEisen83 | gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/usr/include/rhtvision -g -O2 -c -o ls_li... |
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| 15:47.58 | BenC | ah, it's probably the includes in /usr/include/rhtvision |
| 15:48.06 | JEisen83 | Ah! |
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| 15:48.17 | EdibleText | JEisen83, was it installed at my suggestion ie after you pasted the error? you may need to clean up |
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| 15:48.34 | BenC | EdibleText: believe me, that's not the problem |
| 15:48.41 | Seb | EdibleText: BenC mentions it was installed before |
| 15:48.42 | Seb | heh |
| 15:48.52 | JEisen83 | EdibleText: It was installed to get zlib last night. |
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| 15:49.01 | EdibleText | BenC, ok. I believe. |
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| 15:49.24 | Seb | s/my/his/, but then it's confusing. Oh well. |
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| 15:50.09 | BenC | Seb: yeah that would have been confusing, if not insulting :) |
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| 15:50.55 | JEisen83 | BenC: Hmm... not finding anything in rhtvision... still looking. |
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| 15:51.35 | BenC | rgrep -E 'linux/.*\.h' /usr/include/rhtvision |
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| 15:51.56 | Seb | BenC: heh |
| 15:52.11 | [bono] | Question: so basically, debians precompiled kernels include all options and doesnt care about the footprint, is that it? |
| 15:52.21 | BenC | [bono]: no, not correct |
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| 15:52.33 | BenC | [bono]: it includes all options that are expected to work, and be needed by users |
| 15:52.43 | BenC | but yes, without regard to hd footprint |
| 15:52.51 | Seb | [bono]: yeah, but most of it is compiled as modules |
| 15:53.03 | [bono] | BenC: i see. thx |
| 15:53.06 | BenC | memory footprint is controled, since you only use modules you need |
| 15:53.46 | bibe | [bono] : and it includes an initrd image built with MODULES=most, so it's possible to mount the root partition properly during boot |
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| 15:55.07 | ma3x | this skype is so stupid |
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| 15:55.10 | ma3x | it always bugs |
| 15:55.10 | [bono] | Seb: bibe: hmmm... juste installed/booted and seems like it doesnt support /proc/config.gz... :-( but it is much faster than dloading/configuring/compiling/etc... :-) |
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| 15:55.20 | ma3x | anybody else having problems with skype? |
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| 15:55.39 | ma3x | it uses arts and I always have to restart it after every conversation |
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| 15:55.50 | skate | haha |
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| 15:55.55 | nvz | its not in debian |
| 15:55.56 | skate | that's efficient |
| 15:56.03 | ma3x | whats efficient? |
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| 15:56.05 | Seb | [bono]: you can look at /boot/config-2.x.y-... to see exactly whaat is compiled in or not |
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| 15:56.07 | ma3x | whats not in debian? |
| 15:56.08 | skate | skype. |
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| 15:56.18 | [bono] | Seb: great. thanks. |
| 15:56.37 | Seb | ma3x: why not tell it not to use arts then ? Matter of fact, why using arts at all ? |
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| 15:56.49 | Hecate | Okay for the windows manager, when I look in the guide they are talking about the '-multiwindow' parameter of Xwin... don't seems to work |
| 15:56.58 | ma3x | Seb, how do I tell it? You can specify only /dev/dsp |
| 15:57.01 | Seb | it's pretty quiet this morning, although I'm usually not in so early. Is it always like that ? |
| 15:57.10 | Hecate | and for the xorg reconfigure thing, Xorg isnt installed on the remote linux computer |
| 15:57.22 | Seb | ma3x: well accessing /dev/dsp while arts is running is guaranteed not to work. |
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| 15:57.24 | skate | that's a good question |
| 15:57.30 | skate | why aren't you using oss or alsa |
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| 15:57.32 | skate | or can you |
| 15:57.33 | gresola | ola |
| 15:57.36 | Gumby | hrm, does anyone know the answer to this... if I have two pc's, and I can not get a distro installed on one due to hardware conflicts.. would it be possible to install on a second machine, create a kernel I know that would work on the first machine, then image that instalation using dd, then write that image to the first disk. Is this possible/ |
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| 15:57.44 | Hecate | I can connect with SSH though... |
| 15:57.46 | gresola | eres inglesa |
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| 15:57.48 | ma3x | Seb, that's what i'm saying. I have to restart skype and arts every time |
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| 15:58.04 | gresola | olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 15:58.07 | BenC | Gumby: should work |
| 15:58.08 | Seb | Gumby: you can only dd if the HDs are the same exact size |
| 15:58.09 | thingfish | !es |
| 15:58.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:58.24 | EdibleText | gresola, aqui hablamos inglese |
| 15:58.25 | valdyn_ | Gumby: you can also just intall in the disk that will be later in that computer you cannot install on. |
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| 15:58.45 | gresola | que m qpppppppppppppppppppp |
| 15:58.49 | ma3x | Seb, what do you suggest? |
| 15:58.53 | Hecate | seb: did you say I have to install Xorg on the linux server? |
| 15:58.59 | BenC | yeah, just install on the disk, install the kernel, and move the whole drive |
| 15:59.00 | Gumby | Valandil: thats not an option right now.... its a laptop and I dont have an adapter |
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| 15:59.09 | Seb | Hecate: no I didn't. I meantioned maybe you were missing a windowmanager. |
| 15:59.12 | Hecate | I meant skate |
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| 15:59.32 | davidw | hey dudes - I need to make some charts (bar charts, plots, that sort of thing) from data I pull off the web. Recommended software? |
| 15:59.36 | skate | Hecate: did you ever have xfree86 working before you installed xorg? |
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| 15:59.45 | Seb | ma3x: well, I'd suggest telling KDE you don't want arts at all, and then making skype use /dev/dsp directly. But that's just me, hating arts' guts. |
| 15:59.48 | JEisen83 | BenC: I've been grepping the source for any mention of headers, and in the includes it includes... where else might I have to look? |
| 15:59.49 | samuel | has anyone tryed the symphonyos? ive been looking at downloading it just to try it, but i really cant se how usefull it would be, it seems like, as the reviews say, you would have to minimize everything to get to the menus? |
| 16:00.05 | Hecate | skate: well eh probably... it sounds a bell |
| 16:00.08 | ma3x | Seb, where do I specify that, in the KDE control center? |
| 16:00.14 | Seb | ma3x: if skype can use arts, there should be no reason you'd have to restart anything. I think you'll find more help on the net, like on skype forums if there is such a thing. |
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| 16:00.27 | Hecate | skate anyway I don't have xorg on the remote linux server |
| 16:00.29 | EdibleText | Gumby, what is installed on the laptop (or whatever is having the hardware problem) currently |
| 16:00.38 | skate | Hecate: you completely lost me |
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| 16:00.51 | Hecate | skate: I'm not sure where I am either |
| 16:01.00 | Seb | Hecate: what are you trying to achieve ? |
| 16:01.24 | ma3x | Seb, in the kde control center i have choice: autodetect, open sound system, alsa ...... what do i have to select? |
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| 16:01.34 | yang | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 16:01.35 | Gumby | EdibleText: that'd be offtopic for #debian :). Its alinux, I am wanting to give it a shot to see what its all about. But the installer hangs after loading the adaptec i2o module (which I dont need as I have no adaptec or SCSI devices) |
| 16:01.35 | Hecate | seb: well connect to my remote linux server... theres not much doc about the window manager in the Xwin guide |
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| 16:01.49 | coreyo | I keep getting a "cannot open dev/console" and a kernel panic when I boot. It also complains about "unkown filesystem devfs". I just whiped my /boot directory of everything but the grub folder, then reinstalled my kernel images, which all worked before. Any suggestions? |
| 16:01.50 | Seb | ma3x: try #kde, man, this is really not a question for #debian |
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| 16:01.59 | Seb | ma3x: but as I said skype forms would be best |
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| 16:02.27 | Hecate | seb: connecting via SSH works well |
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| 16:02.33 | Seb | coreyo: sata root, or some other thing that'd need an initrd ? |
| 16:02.38 | itom | any use anjuta ide? I've use whit debian testing and I've the same bug descripted here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311846 |
| 16:02.39 | Seb | Hecate: so what is *not* working ? |
| 16:02.49 | ma3x | thanks Seb |
| 16:02.52 | Gumby | EdibleText: I have tried researching how to not allow that module from loading on boot, but I cant seem to find a solution |
| 16:02.53 | Hecate | seb: Well the Xwin thing |
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| 16:02.58 | SynrG | davidw: can't speak from experience. many packages use libgd2 though |
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| 16:03.08 | Hecate | seb: I can't start xthings |
| 16:03.08 | Seb | Hecate: i dont' get it. be more specific. What are you TRYING to DO ? |
| 16:03.09 | coreyo | Seb: yes, I have an sata root, and I'm using an initrd now |
| 16:03.12 | Seb | Hecate: remotely ? |
| 16:03.18 | Hecate | seb: yep |
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| 16:03.34 | Seb | Hecate: so how does it not work, when you run say 'xterm' remotely ? |
| 16:03.47 | Seb | Hecate: anyway, 1st step is to ssh -X the.remoteserver.org |
| 16:03.48 | EdibleText | Gumby, so you want to boot with a different kernel. |
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| 16:03.51 | EdibleText | ? |
| 16:03.58 | Seb | Hecate: with that, X apps should pop up on your local display automagically |
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| 16:04.06 | Hecate | seb: okay lemme try |
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| 16:04.15 | coreyo | Seb: it's actually appears to be mounting my XFS filesystem on the SATA root drive, then panics right after that. Should I be seeing a "unkown filesystem devfs" error? |
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| 16:04.41 | SynrG | davidw: depends on whether you're looking for something you can use to write scripts to generate graphs, or a desktop application |
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| 16:04.44 | Seb | coreyo: not sure about devfs :\ |
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| 16:05.13 | Seb | coreyo: have you googled that error ? |
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| 16:05.36 | coreyo | Seb: that was my first line of defense |
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| 16:05.42 | Seb | coreyo: i somehow seem to remember something similar with my bro's desktop, a while ago... but ATM I can't remember what it was exactly |
| 16:05.48 | PerfDave | Hecate: You'll need to enable X forwarding in your sshd config; use "ssh -v -X the.remoteserver.org" to troubleshoot any problems. |
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| 16:06.05 | Hecate | okay |
| 16:06.06 | valdyn_ | coreyo: you need a static /dev/ to boot debian, why do you not have it? |
| 16:06.20 | coreyo | does devfs need something in the /boot directory or anything like that work? |
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| 16:06.42 | Seb | Hecate: simply ssh -X ... didin't do it ? If not, then PerfDave is right, you need to enable Xforwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the remote server |
| 16:06.46 | valdyn_ | coreyo: no |
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| 16:07.03 | coreyo | valdyn_: It booted a moment ago. I whiped out my /boot directory "except for grub" and reinstalled my kernel *.debs. That's when my problem started. |
| 16:07.22 | Hecate | well now it won't log with my password.. okay I'll be back after lunch dammit |
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| 16:07.49 | Seb | Hecate: thats is highly unlikely. The problem is probably between the keyboard and the chair. |
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| 16:08.12 | Hecate | seb: no doubt |
| 16:08.17 | JEisen83 | BenC: I just found a .deps directory with lines like: tools.Po:/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../../include/c++/4.0.2/bits/istream.tcc: |
| 16:08.19 | Seb | coreyo: what kernel is it ? |
| 16:08.23 | JEisen83 | Could that be a problem? |
| 16:08.25 | Seb | coreyo: 2.6.11-... ? |
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| 16:08.42 | valdyn_ | coreyo: there's nothing in /boot/ that is not provided by kernel-image debs except /boot/grub ... |
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| 16:09.06 | valdyn_ | coreyo: ( well except things like memtest, but you dont need that.. |
| 16:09.15 | coreyo | Seb: a custom 2.6.13 that I made yesterday (which worked) and 2.6.11- |
| 16:09.17 | theD3viL | hi, iam here by mother comp. So.. i would like to ask if dpkg-reconfigure x-server xorg is all to install ATI drivers? |
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| 16:09.35 | coreyo | valdyn_: they install the actual kernel images, config-*, System Map, etc... |
| 16:09.41 | Seb | coreyo: any precompiled Debian kernel image ? |
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| 16:09.54 | valdyn_ | coreyo: right and all that is in your kernel-image debs. |
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| 16:10.05 | Seb | theD3viL: no, yu need to follow Flavio's HOWTO. Ask google. |
| 16:10.08 | Seb | s/yu/you/ |
| 16:10.09 | yxa | how do i flush apt-cache? its still showing me old packs after i do an apt-get update |
| 16:10.15 | Seb | dpkg, tell theD3viL about ati |
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| 16:10.33 | Seb | yxa: what "old" packages ? |
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| 16:10.42 | valdyn_ | coreyo: i would look into what your actual /dev/ directory on your root fs contains ( not your udev or devfs ) |
| 16:10.44 | coreyo | Seb: yes, I have the 2.6.11- whatever from the testing tree installed |
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| 16:10.54 | valdyn_ | coreyo: since that is what your error is about. |
| 16:11.01 | Seb | coreyo: and this panics with the same error ? |
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| 16:11.04 | yxa | apt-cache show samba is showing me 3.0.14a-3 but its really 3.0.14a-6 now |
| 16:11.12 | Seb | as your custom 2.6.13 I mean ? |
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| 16:11.29 | Seb | yxa: so it shows both, the installed one, and the apt-gettable one |
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| 16:11.32 | coreyo | valdyn_: I'm still looking for a way to boot my machine at the moment. What should I look for when I get there? |
| 16:11.35 | coreyo | Seb: yes |
| 16:11.37 | valdyn_ | coreyo: probably you can find it in /dev/.static/ |
| 16:12.01 | Gumby | EdibleText: well, that might be an option. I have no idea how I'd do that from a bootable install disk though |
| 16:12.03 | valdyn_ | coreyo: /dev/.static/console needs to be there. |
| 16:12.05 | Seb | yxa: scroll up in your terminal, the newer one is on top |
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| 16:12.44 | valdyn_ | coreyo: oh, sorry, /dev/.static/dev/console even |
| 16:12.46 | yxa | Seb oh i missed that. can it not show the installed one? |
| 16:12.53 | Seb | yxa: no |
| 16:12.57 | antgel | well, that was an experience :-/ |
| 16:13.00 | Seb | yxa: not that I know of, I mean |
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| 16:13.16 | Seb | yxa: man apt-cache maybe |
| 16:13.19 | theD3viL | Seb, why not like ubuntu - install fglrx drivers, change xorg and here it goes ? |
| 16:13.25 | valdyn_ | coreyo: which could be just /dev/console before udev is mounted |
| 16:13.29 | Seb | theD3viL: because debian is not ubuntu ? |
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| 16:13.38 | theD3viL | yeah yeah.. |
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| 16:13.54 | theD3viL | Seb, i must recompile the kernel? |
| 16:14.03 | Seb | theD3viL: I pointed you to the HOWTO, now feel free to do whatever you want with it. But moaning about ubuntu in here won't help a bit. |
| 16:14.10 | Seb | theD3viL: no. You need to *read* this howto. |
| 16:14.13 | Seb | goddammit |
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| 16:14.33 | EdibleText | gumby use an install disk. there are typically rescue metheds. for example on the woody netinstall at the BOOT: linux 1 root=/dev/<root partition> |
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| 16:14.46 | SynrG | Seb: probably |
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| 16:14.49 | coreyo | valdyn_: is there a kernel image somewhere that I can download quickly and slap on a fat partition in windows and reference with grub to boot? |
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| 16:14.56 | EdibleText | Gumby, the newer installers are different I think, but documented |
| 16:15.03 | valdyn_ | theD3viL: there's not that much difference, in ubuntu you have to add the restricted repository, in debian whatever flavio tells you to on his site |
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| 16:15.35 | Seb | SynrG: sheesh. english is not my first language, so I'm always left to wonder how rude all those curses really are, hehe... |
| 16:15.36 | valdyn_ | coreyo: no, you can use a livecd |
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| 16:15.42 | valdyn_ | coreyo: or debians installer |
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| 16:16.09 | SynrG | Seb: substitute something equally offensive but not so harsh, like "by the balls of Bill Gates" |
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| 16:16.17 | Gumby | EdibleText: yes, but this isnt a debian distro unfortunately. I'm not asking for help regarding that distro here though, dont get me wrong. Not sure how a rescue disk will allow me to boot from a different kernel. Even if I could, there is nothing to "rescu" as the installer halts 30 seconds in |
| 16:16.17 | Seb | SynrG: haha |
| 16:16.24 | coreyo | valdyn_: I don't have access to it at the moment. I was playing with that the other day though. The newer CD's don't seem to have a regular rescue option. Is there a new way to boot into a rescue kernel? |
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| 16:16.28 | thingfish | Seb: what's your native language? |
| 16:16.31 | bdale | Seb: if my son says that in the house, his mother and I get upset... |
| 16:16.37 | Seb | thingfish: french |
| 16:16.41 | Seb | bdale: ok, I see :) |
| 16:16.45 | thingfish | ah, very nice. |
| 16:16.52 | jcuk | i have downloaded java runtime and its a .bin file. how do i run this? |
| 16:16.57 | Seb | bdale: so cursing outside is OK ? ;) |
| 16:17.05 | bdale | Seb: it's all relative |
| 16:17.08 | asg | jcuk: /msg dpkg install java |
| 16:17.08 | Seb | dpkg, tell jcuk about java |
| 16:17.11 | jcuk | ty |
| 16:17.15 | ricky_clarkson | Seb: Swear in French instead. |
| 16:17.18 | Seb | bdale: I was just being silly :) |
| 16:17.26 | Seb | ricky_clarkson: putain d'encule de merde de fils de pute :D |
| 16:17.32 | Seb | that I can do real well |
| 16:17.33 | Seb | heh |
| 16:17.34 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:17.47 | jcuk | oh dear |
| 16:17.49 | EdibleText | Gumby, it doesnt matter... you need a kernel that supports the basics of your installed system (provided by installer) and a root partition (hopefully you know what it is) |
| 16:17.55 | ricky_clarkson | Seb: You really shouldn't talk about your mother like that. |
| 16:18.06 | asg | jcuk: since you already have the .bin, try /msg dpkg java-package |
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| 16:18.28 | cts | /msg dpkg install java |
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| 16:18.36 | coreyo | valdyn_: It also gives a "pivot_root: No such file or directory" error. Is this all related to the same thing? |
| 16:18.39 | Seb | ricky_clarkson: oh that wasn't being directed at anyone's mom in particular. That's the thing with french swearings, you reference just a virtual mom :) |
| 16:18.55 | Seb | i'm serious about that :) |
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| 16:19.06 | Seb | coreyo: yeah, most likely |
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| 16:19.32 | EdibleText | a virtual mom can be a virtual milf |
| 16:19.42 | Seb | it can be anything you want... |
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| 16:19.46 | coreyo | ahh I see, pivot_root deals with the whole transition between initrd and the root filesystem |
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| 16:20.03 | Seb | coreyo: correct |
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| 16:20.13 | valdyn_ | coreyo: you dont need a regular rescue option, just ctrl-alt-f2 on the installer and do.. whatever |
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| 16:20.38 | JEisen83 | Okay, so I'm kind of giving up on this compilation for the moment, since I can't seem to find any place it includes kernel headers. So next question: Is it possible to set up a program on one computer that has access to a particular resource and connect to it from another transparently to forward all data? (I tried dante... maybe I just used it wrong, but I could not get that to work.) |
| 16:21.00 | ma3x | how can you open .ace archive? |
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| 16:21.23 | coreyo | valdyn_: you mean after the installer has started, move to a console and work with the complete lack of utilities or kernel support that is provided there? |
| 16:21.24 | Seb | JEisen83: what kind of resource ? |
| 16:21.30 | Seb | ma3x: apt-get install unace |
| 16:21.35 | ma3x | thanks Seb |
| 16:21.49 | Seb | coreyo: you need a livecd, man |
| 16:21.52 | Gumby | EdibleText: ok, I dont fully understand, but I will give it a shot later. Must be off to work now |
| 16:21.57 | valdyn_ | coreyo: theres no complete lack, mount your old root fs, chroot to it, use whatever is there. |
| 16:22.32 | valdyn_ | coreyo: spelled out: 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt && chroot /mnt/' |
| 16:22.34 | yang | my mozilla takes up to 300MB memory, but its only one window opened....Does it have to be closed and restarted here and there to flush memory? |
| 16:22.37 | JEisen83 | Seb: Standard TCP through a port blocked by my network. |
| 16:22.40 | coreyo | valdyn_: as I recall, I had problems with the sata drivers |
| 16:23.00 | Seb | JEisen83: yeah, dante could do that |
| 16:23.03 | penny | yang, O.O |
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| 16:23.11 | valdyn_ | coreyo: well, you do need a boot disk of any kind that does support your hardware. |
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| 16:23.16 | Seb | JEisen83: a VPN on some authorized port is another option |
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| 16:23.52 | valdyn_ | coreyo: but since you somehow must have installed debian, you can use just that, whatever it was. |
| 16:24.02 | coreyo | valdyn_: I can't remember what I did. I think that it worked in the 2.4 kernel using the ide bridge, but was seen as hda, and didn't work in 2.6 until I updated the kernel, but was seen as sda |
| 16:24.28 | SynrG | JEisen83: a bottom-up approach might help you find the offending routine including kernel headers. temporarily "break" kernel headers by renaming the whole dir. hopefully the resulting error in your next compile will show you where the problem is. |
| 16:24.29 | valdyn_ | coreyo: so use the 2.4 kernel |
| 16:24.37 | SynrG | JEisen83: don't forget to unbreak it afterwards :) |
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| 16:25.01 | JEisen83 | SynrG: Good idea. :) |
| 16:25.02 | ma3x | uhm, Seb ! |
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| 16:25.09 | ma3x | it says File compressed with unknown method. Decompression not possible. |
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| 16:25.47 | Seb | ma3x: well, i dunno then |
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| 16:25.53 | ma3x | oaky thank Seb |
| 16:25.56 | valdyn_ | yang: its probably not an issue if mozilla keeps using memory, as long as your swap is large enough |
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| 16:26.21 | valdyn_ | yang: i cant tell you if that used memory is cached data or a leak however. |
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| 16:26.42 | antgel | !bugs 312454 |
| 16:26.47 | dpkg | DONE:#312454:G[ntpdate] ntpdate: Bug #294636 needs fixing in sarge; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:03:02 UTC |
| 16:26.54 | antgel | !294636 |
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| 16:27.03 | antgel | !bugs 294636 |
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| 16:27.07 | dpkg | DONE:#294636:I[ntpdate] ntpdate tries IPv6 even when not available -- [4.2.1]; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:03:06 UTC |
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| 16:27.18 | yang | valdyn_: i have cleared cache (limit 50mb), but it still is big 300mb |
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| 16:27.47 | JEisen83 | What's the command to redirect errors to a file again? 2&>1 or something? |
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| 16:28.16 | bdale | JEisen83: that will merge stderr with stdout |
| 16:28.24 | argon_ | jeisen83: 2>file |
| 16:28.26 | bdale | JEisen83: except it's 2>&1 |
| 16:28.59 | yang | valdyn_: also, when i start mozilla i get 9 threads, but just 1 window opened |
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| 16:29.32 | snorks | is this the official #debian? |
| 16:29.35 | valdyn_ | yang: thats expected, one thread for networking, one for display, one for rendering, one for ui, etc.. |
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| 16:29.46 | antgel | snorks: as official as it gets |
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| 16:30.14 | snorks | antgel: ok |
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| 16:30.36 | snorks | Is there a flash plugin for firefox on amd64 OS? |
| 16:30.43 | snorks | namely ubuntu amd64 |
| 16:30.49 | asg | snorks: indeed, we even have honored guests here today |
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| 16:30.59 | snorks | asg: who is that? :) |
| 16:31.02 | valdyn_ | yang: you can try 'dillo' to see a webbrowser that doesnt use threads ( or at least doesnt use enough ) |
| 16:31.04 | yxa | currently in stable, can i just point the sources to unstable and just grab a new kernel-image w/o any harm to the system? |
| 16:31.17 | asg | snorks: bdale (don't forget to give him a pat on the back and a cookie) |
| 16:31.18 | PerfDave | snorks: If you're asking about Ubuntu, you want #ubuntu, not #debian. |
| 16:31.24 | Caelum | how do you use bing? Does it stop after a period of time or do you have to tell it how many tests to run? |
| 16:31.27 | PerfDave | yxa: No. /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 16:31.38 | snorks | PerfDave: I know that. But Ubuntu doesn't work, you have to be registered. And I just CBA right now... |
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| 16:32.06 | valdyn_ | Caelum: bing does display what it does, man bing and bing --help will give info on what it does. |
| 16:32.19 | FieldySnuts | snorks: then we certainly "CBA" to help you on offtopic matters. |
| 16:32.22 | valdyn_ | Caelum: beside that, its not accurate at all. |
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| 16:32.24 | snorks | PerfDave: and it doesn't matter really, if it works for debian 64 users, it will work for me |
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| 16:32.32 | Caelum | valdyn_: I have read that, but it seems to run forever until I ctrl+c it |
| 16:32.34 | PerfDave | snorks: That's great, but Debian and Ubuntu are not the same thing. Most people here don't run Debian amd64, let alone Ubuntu amd64 or any other Ubuntu. |
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| 16:32.36 | JEisen83 | SynrG: The error seems to be coming from an '#include <iostream.h>... |
| 16:32.38 | Caelum | valdyn_: what do you recommend? |
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| 16:32.57 | Caelum | valdyn_: want to test throughput and latency on two links and compare them |
| 16:32.57 | PerfDave | snorks: That's not the case. Debian and Ubuntu are not the same thing. Things that work on Debian don't always work on Ubuntu, and vise-versa. |
| 16:32.58 | snorks | FieldySnuts: ok |
| 16:33.01 | valdyn_ | Caelum: to just ctrl-c after a short time, things dont change significantly then |
| 16:33.10 | bdale | does swf-player work? |
| 16:33.10 | Caelum | ahh ok |
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| 16:33.26 | Caelum | valdyn_: is timing a huge rsync a good benchmark? |
| 16:33.41 | valdyn_ | Caelum: benchmark for what? |
| 16:33.41 | Eclipser | sarge firefox still broken? |
| 16:33.48 | asg | Eclipser: check the /topic |
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| 16:33.50 | Caelum | valdyn_: throughput on a network link |
| 16:33.53 | Eclipser | asg, I did :) |
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| 16:33.59 | valdyn_ | Caelum: no it isnt. |
| 16:33.59 | ricky_clarkson | !not supporting ubuntu |
| 16:34.00 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support ubuntu too. Try #ubuntu or donating money to charity. |
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| 16:34.19 | asg | Eclipser: did you check /msg dpkg sarge firefox? |
| 16:34.23 | valdyn_ | Caelum: rsync is designed to just not use network bandwidth |
| 16:34.32 | Caelum | valdyn_: scp then? |
| 16:34.33 | Eclipser | asg, didn't check what dpkg had to say about it until about 1sec before you said that |
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| 16:34.42 | action09 | hi all, i'm searching for a good tutorial to Install cacti on Debian Sarge, because i experienced many problems.. even reading/usr/share/doc/cacti/Readme.Debian.gz please if you havev a link :) TIA |
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| 16:35.08 | valdyn_ | Caelum: not a good idea either since it does cause heavy cpu load encrypting and decrypting |
| 16:35.17 | valdyn_ | Caelum: http downloads are better, ftp downloads too |
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| 16:35.37 | Caelum | valdyn_: what about for benchmarking latency? traceroute with large packets? |
| 16:35.46 | EdibleText | Caelum, netcat could be used too |
| 16:35.54 | PerfDave | Caelum: If you want to test network throughput, use dd from /dev/zero to /dev/null over netcat ;) |
| 16:35.54 | valdyn_ | Caelum: depending on your processing power and bandwidth scp might however be just fine. |
| 16:36.05 | valdyn_ | Caelum: a simple 'ping' |
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| 16:36.36 | EdibleText | Caelum, or create some files wfilled with /dev/urandom |
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| 16:36.55 | valdyn_ | Caelum: using large packets defeats the purpose of doing latency testing. |
| 16:36.55 | EdibleText | Caelum, and shovel them around the network |
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| 16:37.30 | Caelum | thanks guys :) |
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| 16:37.50 | waxmop | i want to add something to /etc/cron.daily; is there a man page i should read first, or do I just drop my shell script in there, and forget it? |
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| 16:38.11 | petemc_ | waxmop: you shoudl read up on cron a bit first |
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| 16:38.17 | valdyn_ | waxmop: just add it, any error message will be mailed to you |
| 16:38.21 | antgel | waxmop: drop it in and pray |
| 16:38.25 | bdale | waxmop: /usr/share/doc/cron/README.Debian |
| 16:38.26 | valdyn_ | waxmop: or mailed to root even |
| 16:38.35 | UnWorldly | how do I make synaptic show all avilable packages rather than only the ones that I have installed |
| 16:38.39 | waxmop | bdale: thanks |
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| 16:39.01 | UnWorldly | it stopped showing available ones after I tried to search the list |
| 16:39.02 | bdale | waxmop: in general, look in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> for stuff that doesn't fit well in man pages for each package |
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| 16:39.19 | waxmop | gotcha |
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| 16:41.27 | Seb | bdale: one for each day of the year |
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| 16:41.41 | antgel | bdale: first thing i read when i install something |
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| 16:41.56 | petemc | some of them are quite.. |
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| 16:42.04 | petemc | succinct |
| 16:42.07 | Seb | heh |
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| 16:43.05 | bdale | at a minute per, it's less than one working day... |
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| 16:43.10 | Zap-W | hey aynone know of some Howtos for OpenL2tp |
| 16:43.11 | ChristianP | hi all |
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| 16:45.03 | ChristianP | how can i change this strange behavior? |
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| 16:46.12 | erich | ChristianP: did you try to actually change the keyboard layout in the settings? |
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| 16:47.42 | ChristianP | erich, where i change it? |
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| 16:48.10 | antgel | we've now moved to a "proper" firewall rather than just nat'ing. no more port-forwarding exim to an internal machine. exim now runs on the firewall and forwards mail at the application level. can we use e.g. squid to do the same thing for https i.e. to not have to port forward https connections from outside? |
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| 16:50.21 | PerfDave | antgel: I'm not sure how your setup is more "proper" like that. It's generally better to run your services on DMZ machines and forward connections from the firewall. |
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| 16:51.16 | hiruko | Hi |
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| 16:51.39 | antgel | PerfDave: we're not loaded. thinking was if they get onto the firewall box, still a big step to get into the lan. before, they exploit exim via the port-forwarded box, they're _on_ the lan |
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| 16:52.06 | Seb | antgel: I have to agree with PerfDave, DMZ is the way |
| 16:52.20 | Seb | antgel: firewalls should not be running services |
| 16:52.32 | antgel | i hear you all and when we get some £££, we will indeed go that way |
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| 16:52.45 | Zap-W | what does this mean /usr/sbin/pppd debug nodetach plugin ippool.so ippool_name mypool/usr/sbin/pppd: The remote system is required to authenticate itself /usr/sbin/pppd: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. /usr/sbin/pppd: (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.) |
| 16:53.18 | Seb | antgel: no, they're "_on_ the DMZ" ;) |
| 16:53.18 | Seb | antgel: hehe, k |
| 16:53.19 | hiruko | I'm having compilation errors. I just installed Debian with kernel 2.6. I'm trying to compile the 2.6.12.3 kernel but I get the following error: make[4]: *** [drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.o] Error 1 and 3 more errors like that and then make: *** [stamp-build] Error 2 |
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| 16:53.19 | waxmop | all, thanks for the help. |
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| 16:53.19 | antgel | Seb: still better this way than before. |
| 16:53.20 | Seb | hiruko: you don't want to compile kernels, but installed precompiled debian images |
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| 16:53.24 | Seb | antgel: you are correct |
| 16:53.29 | hiruko | I've complied kernels fine before. |
| 16:53.34 | FieldySnuts | ~tasso Phated |
| 16:53.36 | apt | Phated: tasso tasso tasso tasso fungo fungo serpente oooh serpenteeee! |
| 16:53.36 | hiruko | I haven't had this error either. |
| 16:53.42 | PerfDave | antgel: No, because your DMZ is not the LAN ;) |
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| 16:54.17 | Seb | hiruko: that's good. Yet you want to run Debian precompiled images. |
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| 16:54.31 | hiruko | No I don't |
| 16:54.45 | action09 | damn no good tuto on cacti on Sarge: ( |
| 16:54.51 | Seb | hiruko: well then compiling kernels from vsanilla sources is, unfortunately for you, unsupported here |
| 16:54.51 | antgel | Seb, PerfDave: i also have issues working out how we can backup a dmz box to one on the lan, but that's for another day |
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| 16:55.12 | ChristianP | erich, in the preferences is it, but itseems to be us |
| 16:55.20 | hiruko | Can you point me somewhere I can get info on what to do about these errors? |
| 16:55.29 | antgel | hiruko: google, #kernel |
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| 16:55.47 | antgel | hiruko: sorry, ##linux |
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| 16:56.03 | hiruko | Thank you |
| 16:56.07 | atom-z | compiling a kernel is a bad idea unless you actually NEED some functionality not present in your current kernel |
| 16:56.21 | eeyore- | atom-z: what? |
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| 16:56.26 | EagleCros | I tend to disagree with that |
| 16:56.28 | hiruko | Well I've had sound problems with the 2.6.8 kernel before |
| 16:56.28 | antgel | atom-z: rational thought doesn't always compute |
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| 16:56.44 | Seb | EagleCros: with what ? |
| 16:56.44 | hiruko | I installed alsa-base and alsa-utils, but I cannot playback music. |
| 16:56.45 | PerfDave | antgel: That shouldn't be a problem, there's nothing wrong with allowing connections from the LAN to the DMZ |
| 16:56.47 | EagleCros | with what atom-z said |
| 16:56.48 | hiruko | It only plays the system sounds. |
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| 16:56.54 | Seb | EagleCros: he's perfectly right |
| 16:56.57 | eeyore- | you guys are averse to recompiling kernels? what are you smoking? |
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| 16:57.05 | antgel | PerfDave: *nod* |
| 16:57.20 | Seb | eeyore-: no we're not, but what atom-z said makes perfect sense |
| 16:57.29 | EagleCros | Seb: well, I think you can only learn by compiling yourself a kernel |
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| 16:57.30 | antgel | eeyore-: no, we're averse to supporting people who have problems compiling kernels when they don't need to |
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| 16:57.35 | Seb | eeyore-: especially for those of us doing support on a semi-regular basis in here |
| 16:57.36 | hiruko | That's what I'd rather do |
| 16:57.41 | Seb | EagleCros: learn what ? |
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| 16:57.43 | hiruko | Learn how to fix these poblems. |
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| 16:57.51 | EagleCros | iif you keep a kernel backup, in case something goes wrong, as the kernel README says |
| 16:57.55 | antgel | EagleCros: crap, linux provides tools that make it a piece of piss to compile |
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| 16:58.02 | EagleCros | Seb: for instance what you have inside your box |
| 16:58.02 | Seb | yup |
| 16:58.03 | vladster | does anyone have experience with installing debian on an AMD 64 bit system and could they lend advice on the issue when selecting a board |
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| 16:58.10 | antgel | EagleCros: debian, moreso (make-kpkg) |
| 16:58.13 | PerfDave | eeyore-: Debian provides precompiled, modular, optimised kernels which are perfect for 99% of people's needs. |
| 16:58.19 | skate | hiruko: have you tried running alsaconf? |
| 16:58.22 | PerfDave | vladster: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 16:58.23 | hiruko | Yes |
| 16:58.26 | EagleCros | antgel: then probably I'm still compiling mine in the stone-age fasion :) |
| 16:58.26 | hiruko | Did taht |
| 16:58.42 | cplx | Can someone tell me the command for hdparm to set dma on /dev/hda1 |
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| 16:58.44 | antgel | EagleCros: if you have the time to waste, more power to your elbow :) |
| 16:58.44 | skate | hiruko: what media player are you using, and is that player in fact using alsa? |
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| 16:58.55 | antgel | cplx: man |
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| 16:59.03 | hiruko | Forgot about that |
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| 16:59.11 | antgel | PerfDave: make that 99.9% ;) |
| 16:59.14 | hiruko | The precompiled kernels have both alsa and oss don't thy |
| 16:59.16 | hiruko | they* |
| 16:59.17 | yxa | PerfDave i dont agree to the 99% part. sometimes we need a special driver |
| 16:59.32 | atom-z | then compile it as a module |
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| 16:59.53 | atom-z | nvsound compiled fine (via the installer too!) into a module |
| 16:59.55 | Seb | precisely |
| 16:59.57 | PerfDave | yxa: Most people don't need to recompile their kernels to add drivers such thanks to module-assistant ;) |
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| 17:00.09 | hiruko | Where do I go to change from OSS to Alsa? |
| 17:00.10 | quitte | hi. can half be used as a verb? |
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| 17:00.22 | antgel | quitte: not in english |
| 17:00.27 | Seb | i think people stay off debian precompiled kernel images out of fear and not understanding them. I was like that for a long while :) |
| 17:00.27 | yxa | err i meant patch a driver |
| 17:00.30 | antgel | quitte: hal_ve_ |
| 17:00.31 | quitte | antgel what is used instead? |
| 17:00.34 | antgel | Seb: nod |
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| 17:00.48 | quitte | antgel i halved the time to build? |
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| 17:00.59 | Seb | i cut the time to build in 2 :D |
| 17:01.03 | antgel | quitte: no, you halved the build time :) |
| 17:01.03 | quitte | hehe |
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| 17:01.09 | PerfDave | yxa: You know, *very* few people need to patch a driver :) |
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| 17:01.14 | quitte | antgel ok thanks a lot |
| 17:01.26 | antgel | quitte: we're here for all your linguistic issues |
| 17:01.37 | quitte | hehe |
| 17:01.38 | PerfDave | yxa: I've been running Debian since Potato, and the I've only once needed to do that (to add monitor mode support to orinoco) |
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| 17:01.49 | yxa | PerfDave i get teh idea :) |
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| 17:02.18 | EagleCros | hm |
| 17:02.23 | EagleCros | ok, I'll give it a try |
| 17:02.26 | EagleCros | :P |
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| 17:02.29 | antgel | EagleCros: english? |
| 17:02.34 | PerfDave | yxa: Actually, I'm doing that now, for the first time - time make-kpkg --append-to-version -orinoco --revision 20050902 --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 17:02.50 | hiruko | yeah it plays system sounds fine but nothign else |
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| 17:02.59 | EagleCros | antgel: what english? :-? |
| 17:03.05 | yxa | PerfDave orinoco wifi stuff? |
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| 17:03.10 | hiruko | I cannot select a midi device. |
| 17:03.17 | PerfDave | yxa: Yeah, so I can use it with kismet better |
| 17:03.26 | yxa | PerfDave i'm gonna patch it for video4linux stuff. |
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| 17:03.51 | PerfDave | yxa: Fair enough, I've never needed to do that - my webcam works just fine with v4l :) |
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| 17:03.57 | hiruko | brb |
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| 17:04.37 | antgel | if nobody gives me a reason to use openvpn in preference to KAME ipsec, in the next 30 seconds, i'm installing KAME ;) |
| 17:04.41 | antgel | just fyi |
| 17:04.46 | yxa | PerfDave yeah, dont have a choice. got a capture card that appeared only recently |
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| 17:05.00 | antgel | yxa: you had a choice in what you bought |
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| 17:05.19 | Seb | antgel: openvpn is da shit |
| 17:05.21 | yxa | antgel lets not get into that :) |
| 17:05.36 | yxa | openvpn support aladdin tokens |
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| 17:05.59 | Seb | antgel: seriously, it's real simple to set up, is stable as a rock, and you can even put it on port 443 and your admins at work won't tell the difference between that and regular https traffic |
| 17:06.04 | antgel | nope, no good reasons there, here we go... :) |
| 17:06.05 | Seb | antgel: how's that for a reason ? ;) |
| 17:06.07 | cire | Sorry, this is not a debian related question. I have a guestbook which tracks the IPs of the writers. There is a writer who pretends to be from witzerland, but his IP is assigned to german telecom. Is it possible that german telecom uses those IPs also in Switzerland, or would you say, this person cannot be dialed in from switzerland? |
| 17:06.10 | karsten | Hrm.. Has slashdot been slashdotted (OT)? |
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| 17:06.36 | karsten | cire: IP geocoding is a black art. |
| 17:06.36 | Seb | karsten: no, works fine here |
| 17:06.37 | skate | yes slashdot is having issues |
| 17:06.45 | antgel | Seb: i'm the admin, director, head of r&d etc, so i don't think i need to trick myself :P |
| 17:06.46 | yxa | yeah. to setup openvpn just create keypairs and give them to you users. theres no other easier implementations |
| 17:06.48 | skate | well i can't load pages from their rss |
| 17:06.49 | karsten | Seb: OK, I got connection refused. |
| 17:06.51 | js_ | is there some kind of magic way to resize a root partition? |
| 17:06.56 | yac | I am using GDM which do not use .xintric/.xssesion... how can I add startup files(for fluxbox to be exact) without "sessions" ? I can't google out and I think this is distro specific.... |
| 17:07.06 | Seb | antgel: haha. But more seriously, openvpn is *really* a quality app. |
| 17:07.23 | antgel | ok, so openvpn is easy. i suppose they took out all of that difficult crap, the stuff that makes ipsec secure ;) |
| 17:07.23 | cire | karsten: I do not know what you want to say, but this person has not been very polite, and I would like to know whether he is a liar or not. |
| 17:07.36 | PerfDave | cire: There are about a million and one answers to your question. Suffice to say that there's no way of knowing where your user is based on an IP address. |
| 17:07.38 | Seb | antgel: nope, it's just that SSL-based VPN are *simple* by design |
| 17:07.42 | Seb | well, sort of ;) |
| 17:08.03 | antgel | Seb: got any citations for your outrageous claims? |
| 17:08.20 | Seb | cire: the only people that can answer that are the owners of that netblock |
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| 17:08.29 | cplx | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 17:08.29 | cplx | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 17:08.30 | Seb | antgel: matter of fact I do, lemme find them |
| 17:08.41 | cire | Okay, thank you. |
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| 17:08.46 | PerfDave | The trouble with IPSec is that there are a million and one different ways to basically do the same thing. AIUI OpenVPN just chooses a suitable subset of IPSec's features, rahter than removing security :) |
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| 17:08.54 | tarzeau | can i not configure mozilla,mozilla-firefox to work with fucking.ps.gz and .ps and .pdf ? |
| 17:08.58 | ice_1963 | how do you set the time in blackbox ??????? |
| 17:09.02 | RvGaTe | Can anyone tell me what language this is: "Guarda il profilo" ? |
| 17:09.03 | tarzeau | THE FUCKING PIECE OF CRAP SOFTWARE? |
| 17:09.05 | antgel | cplx: this came up last night. you running stable? |
| 17:09.09 | skate | yac: if you are trying to start fluxbox, you need "exec fluxbox" in your ~./xsession file (if that is what you are asking) |
| 17:09.11 | antgel | tarzeau: how's it going? |
| 17:09.22 | cplx | antgel: unstable atm, but it happend when I was running stable earlier.. |
| 17:09.23 | EdibleText | RvGaTe, italian |
| 17:09.34 | antgel | *plonk* |
| 17:09.36 | tarzeau | antgel: hi ;) much better, you've been great |
| 17:09.38 | RvGaTe | EdibleText: ok, any idea what it means? :P |
| 17:09.48 | vladster | Fronm what I have been reading, it looks like I had better wait for all the fixes to go in |
| 17:09.53 | EdibleText | RvGaTe, Look the profilo! |
| 17:09.56 | vladster | From* |
| 17:10.01 | antgel | tarzeau: good to hear |
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| 17:10.04 | RvGaTe | EdibleText: ok, thx :) |
| 17:10.04 | karsten | Seb: ... worked on reload FWIW. |
| 17:10.11 | tarzeau | ice_1963: rdate -s ? |
| 17:10.13 | karsten | cire: ?? |
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| 17:10.18 | ice_1963 | no i'm runing blackbox |
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| 17:10.31 | vladster | There are like 200 broken packages with it |
| 17:10.32 | cire | karsten: yes? did I miss a post |
| 17:10.33 | cire | ? |
| 17:10.36 | tarzeau | ice_1963: blackbox can't set the time, you'll need a command line shell i guess in a terminal |
| 17:10.41 | yac | skate: nope, I use gdm to start window managers and it do NOT use ~/.xsession. I ask how can i run apps on start of luxbox WITHOUT .xsession |
| 17:10.45 | MrNikel | Hi, How do I change the look and feel of my wxWidgets applications in debian? |
| 17:10.49 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 17:10.51 | skate | ah ok |
| 17:10.52 | karsten | cire: Who's not been polite? |
| 17:10.53 | tarzeau | MrNikel: i don't think you can |
| 17:11.00 | skate | i didn't understand exactly what you were asking |
| 17:11.15 | MrNikel | Cant you just run wxwidgets on top of GTK? |
| 17:11.18 | cire | karsten: not in here, on my guestbook, and later on in mail- |
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| 17:11.26 | mjj29 | hmm, make-kpkg modules_image now fails with linux-headers-2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 17:11.28 | tarzeau | MrNikel: i've never seen that |
| 17:11.32 | mjj29 | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `scripts/basic/Makefile'. Stop. |
| 17:11.33 | karsten | cire: Block the freakin' IP. |
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| 17:11.43 | mjj29 | how is one meant to build debian packaged modules from debian packaged source now? |
| 17:11.45 | gothtec | Hey I've got this Thinkpad 760EL that doesn't come with a floppy drive and can't boot from CD. It has Windows 95 and a network card installed at the moment. Is there any way I can get a clean stable install on it? |
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| 17:11.56 | tarzeau | mjj29: www.linuks.mine.nu/make-kpkg/ |
| 17:11.59 | cire | karsten: this wouldn't help, it's dynamically assigned |
| 17:12.01 | karsten | cire: ... or bitch to his ISP. It's not a matter of where he comes from, it's what he's doing. Find out if it's an AUP violation. |
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| 17:12.21 | karsten | cire: I've found that blocking a range around abusive IPs (particularly comment spam) is damned useful. |
| 17:12.26 | MrNikel | I see. They are horrible, I will get used to that. Cant you event configure the font ir uses etc? |
| 17:12.29 | cire | okay, let's see what we can do. Thank you. |
| 17:12.44 | antgel | PerfDave, Seb: i should point out, i've done KAME installs before and have a twiki page to take out all the painful aspects (for there are many). my understanding is that kame is technically superior as it was written by crypto specialists. i await Seb's citations and am googling atm |
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| 17:12.51 | mjj29 | tarzeau: not especially helpful |
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| 17:13.01 | EdibleText | gothtec, remove the harddrive and install on a non-braindead computer. |
| 17:13.02 | mjj29 | tarzeau: I'm just trying to build extra modules for my stock kernel |
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| 17:13.04 | zoghome | hi, anybody know how to make ssh X11 forwarding work for random external TCP Xclients.. i.e. using the ssh box as another boxes $DISPLAY? |
| 17:13.05 | tarzeau | mjj29: which module source? |
| 17:13.10 | mjj29 | tarzeau: nvidia |
| 17:13.12 | PerfDave | antgel: I've done KAME stuff before and given up because it was too much of a PITA :) |
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| 17:13.13 | tarzeau | mjj29: stock debian kernel? or stock your own kernel? |
| 17:13.14 | genera | gothtec: USB floppy? |
| 17:13.15 | xjp | does google use debian ? |
| 17:13.23 | gothtec | genera: too old for usb :) |
| 17:13.24 | tarzeau | xjp: ask help@google.com |
| 17:13.29 | mjj29 | tarzeau: linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 from sid |
| 17:13.30 | MrNikel | zoghome just ssh -X |
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| 17:13.38 | EdibleText | no floppy and doesnt coot from cd ... ? shouldnot have lost or broke the floppy |
| 17:13.41 | mjj29 | until now I've been doing this: http://www.matthew.ath.cx/misc/nvidia |
| 17:13.44 | MrNikel | with the server allowing X11 connections (set to of by default) |
| 17:13.45 | antgel | PerfDave: i hear that. when we started doing it, there was no openvpn project. and the docs! *shudder* |
| 17:13.45 | Seb | antgel: http://infosecuritymag.techtarget.com/ss/0,295796,sid6_iss21_art83,00.html, and I'm still trying to find this article by some security guru that I read while back |
| 17:13.47 | mjj29 | (thats my howto for it) |
| 17:13.58 | mjj29 | but it fails with the new linux-headers package |
| 17:13.59 | xjp | tarzeau: i believe that they'll not answer me |
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| 17:14.08 | tarzeau | xjp: and what can we say about it? |
| 17:14.09 | PerfDave | antgel: This was back when I was using FreeBSD ;) |
| 17:14.09 | gothtec | EdibleText: hm.. that could work. Can I halt the install at some point where it hasn't started adapting to the machine yet? I wouldn't want a bunch of drivers for the machine it'd be temporarily placed in. |
| 17:14.10 | Hecate | seb: okay so how do I Xforward in /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
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| 17:14.21 | tarzeau | xjp: this is not #google, or i can say "yes" or "no", what would you like to hear? |
| 17:14.27 | xjp | tarzeau: i don't know. maybe 'yes' or 'no' ? :) |
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| 17:14.35 | tarzeau | xjp: "no" |
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| 17:14.45 | xjp | ktnx |
| 17:14.49 | tarzeau | xjp: they run gentoo, since they want their applications to be fast |
| 17:14.53 | antgel | Seb: interesting link |
| 17:14.55 | xjp | hehe |
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| 17:15.17 | yang | Is there a website that offers free mailing lists? |
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| 17:15.33 | antgel | yang: yahoogroups.com |
| 17:15.39 | EdibleText | gothtec, get the basics installed. when you arte ready to reboot you could probably put iti in the lapptop |
| 17:15.53 | johnny06 | will i be able to integrate selinux into debian sarge |
| 17:15.54 | antgel | yang: er, i mean wtf does that have to do with debian? |
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| 17:16.02 | ice_1963 | it's so easy to install nvidia driver |
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| 17:16.22 | zoghome | <MrNikel> zoghome just ssh -X I know that for DISPLAY=localhost:10, but what if I want to set DISPLAY=remotebox:10 and where remotebox has the ssh session |
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| 17:16.31 | mjj29 | ice_1963: yes, I'm the one telling people this normally, but the recommended method doesn't work |
| 17:16.34 | tarzeau | johnny06: tried installing it yet? /usr/share/doc/selinux* is a good start probably |
| 17:16.40 | mjj29 | johnny06: I believe theres packages for doing so |
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| 17:16.46 | mjj29 | with automatic configuration |
| 17:16.49 | EdibleText | gothtec, the NIC is probably supported (pcmcia most likely) the rest of the install and config should be straightforward |
| 17:16.52 | mjj29 | however I did this a couple of months ago |
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| 17:17.11 | mjj29 | and got config errors on line 60000ish of the config file and a broken system |
| 17:17.25 | dogmeat | where is the security flaw with locate that one would want to switch to slocate? |
| 17:17.32 | gothtec | EdibleText: I'm using a Xircom Creditcard Ethernet Adapter IIps... PCMCIA, yes |
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| 17:17.55 | samuel | anyone have any tips on making E17 more stable? ie - what not to use? perhaps? |
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| 17:18.16 | eeyore- | samuel: E17 itself :-)))))) |
| 17:18.20 | eeyore- | samuel: sorry |
| 17:18.31 | EdibleText | gothtec, if you have a 2.5 hdd adapter you could install the system on any fullsize comp |
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| 17:18.47 | EdibleText | gothtec, or use another lappy if availible |
| 17:18.58 | gothtec | EdibleText: I have another laptop :) |
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| 17:19.16 | gothtec | EdibleText: I'll try this. Thanks. |
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| 17:20.25 | tarzeau | EdibleText: i've had pineapple juice once |
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| 17:20.32 | antgel | Seb: i want to get onto the whole subnet, not worry about individual services. article suggest ipsec. |
| 17:20.37 | Col_Kernel | dogmeat: homepage says "but it will also check file permissions and ownership so that users will not see files they do not have access to" |
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| 17:20.49 | EdibleText | hhe |
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| 17:21.03 | Seb | antgel: you can do that do. THe article just says ipsec is not very good at finer granularity than whole subnets. |
| 17:21.09 | eeyore- | samuel: gnome |
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| 17:21.17 | Seb | antgel: i just got the article I was talking about, lemme give ya the link |
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| 17:22.12 | Seb | antgel: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/linux_vpn.txt |
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| 17:22.29 | Seb | antgel: this one is truly well written |
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| 17:23.32 | samuel | eeyore-, hmmm... so did I, but E17 is definatelly worth a try! with or without crashes! |
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| 17:25.11 | Hecate | sorry but what's the basic command to edit a file again? |
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| 17:25.25 | Seb | Hecate: emacs |
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| 17:25.26 | EdibleText | Hecate, ed |
| 17:25.41 | EdibleText | Hecate, though some prefer vim |
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| 17:25.49 | lakcaj | Hecate, nano |
| 17:25.51 | Supaplex | $EDITOR, vi, vim, pico, zile, emacs, apt-cache search editor |
| 17:25.55 | Supaplex | and many others |
| 17:25.56 | Seb | EdibleText: s/some/some fools/ |
| 17:25.59 | Seb | EdibleText: just kidding |
| 17:26.00 | Hecate | all right thanks |
| 17:26.02 | Seb | heh |
| 17:26.03 | Supaplex | ~start an editor war |
| 17:26.04 | apt | edlin is known to decrease your lifespan |
| 17:26.09 | EdibleText | heh |
| 17:26.31 | lakcaj | !start an editor holy war |
| 17:26.31 | dpkg | pico sucks |
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| 17:26.59 | Supaplex | < Alias> You IRC via emacs? Oh wait... that's a really stupid question. You probably do VOIP via emacs too (just minutes ago in #perl) |
| 17:27.00 | lakcaj | !start an editor war |
| 17:27.00 | dpkg | zile is known to cause ulcers |
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| 17:32.22 | Seb | antgel: let me know what you settle for eventually. BTW, I'm not affiliated in any way with OpenVPN, I just like it, and have only heard good things about it form other security people. |
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| 17:32.43 | FZ | How to submit to freedb.org? Hi all, I've just ripped music from a new album into .ogg, then used XMMS to entere relevant information as ID3 tags |
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| 17:32.52 | FZ | now, how can I submit this information freedb? |
| 17:32.56 | FZ | they say use grip |
| 17:33.03 | Seb | FZ: apt-get install grip |
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| 17:33.06 | FZ | but grip did not want any information from and finished |
| 17:33.08 | FZ | ripping |
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| 17:33.15 | FZ | with unknown names... |
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| 17:33.32 | FZ | I have grip |
| 17:33.42 | Seb | FZ: no, they say grip can *pull* info from freedb. I dunno if it can submit it. |
| 17:33.53 | FZ | yes, that's my point |
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| 17:34.08 | FZ | I have manually tagged those .ogg files now I want to submit it to freedb.org |
| 17:34.13 | FZ | but couldn't find how |
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| 17:34.20 | FZ | do I need some extra plugins? |
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| 17:35.11 | Thaiger | Is there a command line Netware client? |
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| 17:36.02 | slushpupie | so if packages.debian.org shows a package in Stable, but none of the mirrors seem to think it is, to whom/how do I report it? |
| 17:36.03 | EdibleText | Thaiger, apt-cache search netware ncpfs - utilities to use resources from NetWare servers |
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| 17:36.50 | Hecate | okay I enabled X11forwarding in ssh_config. When I connect via ssh (ssh -v -X -l root miip) it connect, but I still can't execute xthings (like xterm) |
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| 17:39.23 | Blissex | slushpupie: you just wait, because mirroring is not an instantaneous thing. |
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| 17:39.39 | slushpupie | Blissex: this isnt a new package |
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| 17:40.09 | Blissex | Hecate: set the 'DISPLAY' environemnt variable appropriately, and try also to use '-Y' instead of '-X', and also consider giving the exact error message you get. |
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| 17:40.35 | Hecate | all right |
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| 17:41.27 | Seb | slushpupie: file a bug on this package ? |
| 17:41.30 | Hecate | Blissex: It says 'DISPLAY' is not set... how do I set it? |
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| 17:41.51 | RvGaTe | What package is used for SNMP ? |
| 17:41.55 | Seb | Blissex: ssh -X or -Y sets DISPLAY correctly |
| 17:42.02 | Seb | Hecate: ssh -X should set it |
| 17:42.03 | PerfDave | Hecate: DISPLAY should be set for you on login. Did you restart sshd after changing the config file? |
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| 17:42.18 | Seb | PerfDave: i think you're on point there |
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| 17:42.40 | slushpupie | Seb: ok- I wanst sure if that was a package bug |
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| 17:42.57 | Seb | slushpupie: well it'll be rerouted anyway, if needs be :) |
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| 17:43.03 | Seb | slushpupie: you can't be wrong in filing bugs |
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| 17:43.24 | EdibleText | RvGaTe, apt-cache search <some string> |
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| 17:43.53 | clars | Im looking for an Doc on making the swRAID doing the 3.1 install (step by step howto) |
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| 17:44.07 | EdibleText | RvGaTe, you can pipe that into grep or whatever to limet the output |
| 17:44.20 | RvGaTe | EdibleText: thx |
| 17:44.24 | CountZ | how do I check if my currently mounted fs is rw or ro? |
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| 17:44.31 | EdibleText | CountZ, 'mount' |
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| 17:45.10 | CountZ | EdibleText: it shows (rw,errors=remount-ro) for / |
| 17:45.19 | CountZ | EdibleText: but how do I know if there are errors right now? |
| 17:45.20 | CountZ | ;-) |
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| 17:45.25 | CountZ | as it is, I can not write to the fs |
| 17:45.36 | defcon8 | what is #debian-overflow fow? |
| 17:45.37 | defcon8 | for* |
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| 17:46.04 | Hecate | PerfDace: If I close cygwin completely will it count as restarting sshd? |
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| 17:46.45 | Seb | CountZ: mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 17:47.06 | EdibleText | CountZ, try cat /proc/mounts |
| 17:47.07 | CountZ | Seb: I have a serious problem with that drive, i'm affraid to remounte it... |
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| 17:47.21 | CountZ | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 |
| 17:47.22 | Seb | CountZ: then reboot, it'll get fscked |
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| 17:47.39 | CountZ | seb: It will get fscked with questions that I can not answer because it's a remote box.. :-\ |
| 17:47.39 | quitte | hi. another of those offtopics. whats a roman 500? |
| 17:47.45 | Seb | CountZ: my / gets rmeounted ro without any warnings these days. SATA drive. mount shows rw but I cna't write to it :\ |
| 17:47.48 | CountZ | Is there a way to specify the -y flag for reboot time fsck? |
| 17:47.56 | CountZ | Seb: Exactly my problem |
| 17:48.06 | Seb | CountZ: damn. What controller ? |
| 17:48.09 | CountZ | Seb: I get this as well: EXT3-fs error (device sda1) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted |
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| 17:48.18 | quitte | 500 = D? |
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| 17:48.21 | CountZ | it's the onboard controller... Intel D915GUX |
| 17:48.31 | Seb | CountZ: intel 82801EB (ich5) here |
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| 17:48.37 | EdibleText | quitte, roman numerals .. I think yes |
| 17:48.38 | CountZ | I think it's the same |
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| 17:48.55 | CountZ | ah no I have an ICH6 |
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| 17:49.00 | Seb | CountZ: i don't get that, but I get ata msgs in syslog: Aug 31 06:30:33 foo kernel: ata1: command 0x25 timeout, stat 0x50 host_stat 0x21 |
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| 17:49.33 | Thaiger | EdibleText: Thanks! |
| 17:49.48 | EdibleText | np |
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| 17:50.29 | CountZ | Seb: That's terrible... it's like Linux does not properly cope with the newest hardware |
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| 17:50.55 | Seb | CountZ: were you able to find any threads on lkml relating to this ? I couldn't... |
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| 17:51.31 | CountZ | I found some stuff but the answers are vague, and show that not enough people have actually experienced this, that are knowledgable in kernel hacking |
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| 17:52.09 | Seb | CountZ: *sigh* |
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| 17:52.23 | Seb | CountZ: i wonder if my drive is bad :\ Anyway, the only way for me to fix this is to reboot the box |
| 17:52.31 | CountZ | I think it would be in Intel's interest to send all its newest hardware to a certain group of kernel hackers |
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| 17:52.38 | Seb | it seems to happen lievery other day :\ |
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| 17:52.51 | CountZ | or even employ a good C++ developer to test Linux on all their newest hardware |
| 17:52.56 | Seb | CountZ: yeah, you wish |
| 17:52.57 | CountZ | What is another developer for Intel |
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| 17:53.17 | CountZ | Seb: It is neigh possible your drive indeed went bad |
| 17:53.29 | CountZ | As did mine, it seems |
| 17:53.31 | Seb | CountZ: it *might*, but it's fairly recent, like a year |
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| 17:53.37 | CountZ | mine is 6 month |
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| 17:53.48 | CountZ | they don't make them as they used to |
| 17:53.56 | Seb | CountZ: i read somewhere that a weak power source (what's the correct name for that) can cause that sort of problems too... |
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| 17:54.41 | CountZ | Seb: I think my problems started with the powersource as well... some kind of surge caused several of my boxes to crash, and once rebooted, I was left with these errors and problems |
| 17:54.48 | defcon8 | ParadoXy, siktir git :D |
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| 17:55.09 | CountZ | ok dinner time! |
| 17:55.10 | CountZ | bbl |
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| 17:55.39 | EdibleText | Seb, power supply? |
| 17:55.44 | Seb | CountZ: "power supply" |
| 17:55.47 | CountZ | yes |
| 17:55.48 | Seb | EdibleText: yep :) |
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| 17:56.19 | Seb | CountZ: I used to have the same errors *everyday*, so I took out my 2nd HD, and it's been fine for a long time |
| 17:56.29 | Seb | CountZ: which would hint at the power supply going bad |
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| 17:56.51 | EdibleText | Seb, or too few watts for the peripherals |
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| 17:56.58 | eeyore- | Seb: always get a good power supply :-) |
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| 17:57.33 | eeyore- | Seb: (and it helps if your motherboard has decent voltage regulation) |
| 17:57.45 | CountZ | Seb: I will replace all my power supplies in a few days |
| 17:57.46 | Seb | EdibleText: yeah, is what I'm thinking. But when I took out the 2nd HD, everything went back to normal, so the PS did good for a wile |
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| 17:57.53 | CountZ | I will report if there were improvements as a result |
| 17:57.54 | Seb | are power supplies just generic ? |
| 17:57.59 | Seb | never bought one :)) |
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| 17:58.10 | CountZ | ATX Power Supplies are generic, yes |
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| 17:58.27 | eeyore- | Seb: i buy enlight, antec, and good-quality ones. see tom's hardware for power supply shootouts. they do that every now and then. |
| 17:58.29 | EdibleText | Seb, no they have different wattages... some brands are considered better then other.. usually because of the fans that are used |
| 17:58.30 | Hecate | okay when starting Xwin it says 'Could not init font path element ...' |
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| 17:58.39 | CountZ | But they are not the same... get Altheon or something else that is high quality, it pays off in the long term |
| 17:58.48 | sktrdie | how do I add a .sh script to boot |
| 17:58.52 | Seb | eeyore-, EdibleText : cool, thanks a lot guys |
| 17:58.53 | sktrdie | so it runs everytime I boot |
| 17:58.54 | ubuntUser | is in linux any programm that shows procesor, type, family,internal clock,fsb,memory features,capability, and so on? |
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| 17:59.04 | eeyore- | EdibleText: fans? nah. quality of power output, how much they vary from spec, overvoltages, undervoltages, etc. *fans* are the *last* thing on my mind |
| 17:59.11 | CountZ | EdibleText: I think it's not just the fans, it's the quality of the parts used, and the number of protection mechanisms built into the PS unit |
| 17:59.11 | Seb | ubuntUser: cat /proc/cpuinfo, cat /rpoc/meminfo |
| 17:59.18 | stockholm | ubuntUser: ps would do, too |
| 17:59.23 | CountZ | I mean quality of the electronic parts |
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| 17:59.33 | stockholm | ubuntUser: oh, sorry, i read wrong |
| 17:59.46 | EdibleText | eeyore-, well.. fans are important. but yes sually a well built ps will have qaulity fans |
| 18:00.00 | EdibleText | eeyore-, most dead ps i have seen was due to fan failure |
| 18:00.12 | eeyore- | Seb: if you want to splurge, i can highly recommend overclockerz brand. they have one that you can pick and choose what you want to power (the power leads are detachable) |
| 18:00.12 | CountZ | I come from electrical engineering, you learn early on in the game that there's low quality parts, higher quality, very high quality, ultra high quality, and MIL-SPEC quality :-) (Price ranges respectively). |
| 18:00.30 | CountZ | eeyore-: sounds like a fun solution |
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| 18:00.50 | eeyore- | Seb: hmm, let me see the correct spelling ... |
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| 18:01.38 | Seb | CountZ: I need all my HW MIL-SPEC :D |
| 18:01.38 | grendal_prime | I got a dialout problem...its with a user of course...when they dialout as soon as the login prompt appears it drops the connection |
| 18:01.43 | Hecate | Blissex: when starting Xwin it says 'Could not init font path element /usr/x11R6...' |
| 18:01.44 | grendal_prime | im using wvdial.. |
| 18:01.48 | CountZ | Seb: Me too, god knows!! :-) |
| 18:02.01 | CountZ | That's about the only thing I miss from my days in the military |
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| 18:02.12 | Seb | Hecate: but dude, are you trying to remotely startx ??? |
| 18:02.12 | poncho | Hello.! |
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| 18:02.24 | Seb | Hecate: I told you to try with xterm |
| 18:02.29 | EdibleText | CountZ, not the biscuts and gravy :) |
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| 18:02.38 | Seb | hah |
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| 18:02.40 | Hecate | seb: Xterm don't work it says 'display not set' |
| 18:02.41 | CountZ | nah, not that ;-) besides we didn't have that stuff |
| 18:02.52 | CountZ | but I definitely would never miss mil-food |
| 18:02.56 | EdibleText | heh |
| 18:03.00 | Seb | Hecate: then you haven't ssh -X, or haven't restarted sshd after setting the xforward thing |
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| 18:03.49 | eeyore- | Seb: hmm, i don't seem to have the box any more :) oh well, when i find it again i'll let you know. it's expensive though, but really REALLY quiet and the leads are long, and you only have to use as many as you want |
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| 18:04.02 | Seb | eeyore-: sounds cool. |
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| 18:04.23 | Seb | eeyore-: i was reading th, they do recommend some, but how do I find out if I need 400 watts or > 500 ? |
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| 18:05.15 | EdibleText | Seb, what do you have now? |
| 18:05.22 | Seb | EdibleText: I have no idea :) |
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| 18:05.25 | CountZ | so is there a way to tell fsck to answer yes automatically when the machine boots? |
| 18:05.26 | Seb | EdibleText: I got the box from a friend |
| 18:05.39 | EdibleText | Seb, its probably a 300W |
| 18:05.44 | Seb | i see |
| 18:05.46 | eeyore- | Seb: this one, http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=100162&Category_Code=ps-generic |
| 18:05.51 | Seb | CountZ: you need a console server, man ;) |
| 18:05.58 | Seb | eeyore-: aaah, cool, thx a lot |
| 18:06.00 | CountZ | yes... I do... :-\ |
| 18:06.17 | Seb | EdibleText: so a 400-something one should do, then |
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| 18:06.53 | EdibleText | Seb, probably.. hold on.. |
| 18:07.20 | poncho | !away |
| 18:07.20 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. |
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| 18:07.25 | EdibleText | Seb, youll need to look at the PS (open the case) |
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| 18:07.36 | Seb | EdibleText: yeah, I figured this much, hehe |
| 18:07.37 | EdibleText | I thought the wattage may be on the back |
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| 18:08.01 | EdibleText | Seb, depending on the age of the case (if its the orig ps) it could be 250 |
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| 18:08.20 | EdibleText | that was standered about 4+ years ago |
| 18:08.20 | Seb | it's fairly new, like a year or so |
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| 18:08.37 | Hecate | seb: restarting cygwin completely, I type the ssh command line. Once connected, I can't launch xterm because it says display isnt setted |
| 18:08.39 | FieldySnuts | 300 is more common now |
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| 18:09.09 | Hecate | can't open display : %s |
| 18:09.15 | eeyore- | Seb: it doesn't hurt to get more than you need. if 500w is still within your price range, go for it. the supply will not get as hot if you don't approach its limit |
| 18:09.18 | antgel | Hecate: did you start x windows? |
| 18:09.26 | Seb | eeyore-: all right |
| 18:09.33 | Hecate | antgel: When do I have to start xwin? |
| 18:09.40 | Hecate | antgel: I didn't |
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| 18:09.52 | antgel | Hecate: rtfm i'm on the phone 1 sec |
| 18:09.58 | eeyore- | Seb: this one is 350w, but the gimmick is a big friggin' heatsink (fanless) http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=100155&Category_Code=ps-thermaltake |
| 18:10.18 | EdibleText | Seb, eeyore- has a point.. invest in a good PS and it will last many mobo+proc+mem upgrades... (unleass they change the connectors or something) |
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| 18:10.28 | Seb | this makes sense |
| 18:10.35 | Seb | god I didn't know a PS oculd be that expensive :> |
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| 18:10.54 | ubuntUser | seb: there's no meminfo |
| 18:11.04 | antgel | Hecate: i told you before to run the startxwin.bat script. did you do that? |
| 18:11.07 | Seb | ubuntUser: cat /proc/meminfo |
| 18:11.12 | Seb | ubuntUser: make an effort |
| 18:11.25 | ubuntUser | now's correct;] |
| 18:11.30 | Hecate | antgel: not now... lemme try |
| 18:11.37 | EdibleText | eeyore-, nice... that would eliminate my obsession for quality fans |
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| 18:11.52 | EdibleText | and extra noise |
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| 18:12.05 | antgel | Hecate: thought you read the manual. you've missed two points so far. http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/using.html#using-starting |
| 18:12.15 | PerfDave | Oh, wait, Hecate's using *cygwin*? |
| 18:12.21 | antgel | PerfDave: yep |
| 18:12.35 | PerfDave | antgel: Nice of them to say ;) |
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| 18:13.19 | antgel | PerfDave: nah, they'll just tell him to rtm |
| 18:13.46 | PerfDave | Or installing Debian in place of Windows,, natch. |
| 18:14.10 | Hecate | antgel: It's because I'm trying alternate solutions |
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| 18:14.28 | EagleCros | I'll be resetting my box in some days, I've been running on debian since I own it (and since I use Linux). Any other distro suggested? |
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| 18:14.50 | antgel | Hecate: you need to read the manual for any solution :) |
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| 18:14.53 | EagleCros | s/it/the box |
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| 18:15.02 | lakcaj | EagleCros, if you're just looking for something to try for fun, I would give opensuse a shot. |
| 18:15.08 | antgel | EagleCros: are you joking? |
| 18:15.10 | PerfDave | EagleCros: Debian! :) |
| 18:15.13 | EagleCros | lol |
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| 18:15.22 | antgel | EagleCros: CP/M |
| 18:15.25 | lars^_ | A good site with screenshot of debian/linux desktops? |
| 18:15.39 | lakcaj | lars^_, lynucs? |
| 18:15.48 | EdibleText | EagleCros, slightly biased channel to ask in dontcha think? ;) |
| 18:15.49 | defcon8 | lars^_, dont be a dunce |
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| 18:15.54 | eeyore- | monarch is a decent supplier. we bought a few things from them before and they generally don't give us any problems :-) |
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| 18:16.06 | lars^_ | lakcaj, thanks dude |
| 18:16.07 | EagleCros | EdibleText: well, I also trust the people in this channel to know what they talk about :) |
| 18:16.11 | eeyore- | except one time when we bought with company credit card, but that's understandable |
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| 18:16.23 | EdibleText | EagleCros, true that |
| 18:16.42 | EagleCros | antgel: what does CP/M mean? :-? |
| 18:16.45 | simy | can sombody help me get dhcp workign on my presario 900 with the rtl 8129 nic |
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| 18:16.51 | EdibleText | !cp/m |
| 18:16.51 | dpkg | cp/m is probably the most brain dead operating system ever created, and claims to be a flavour of UNIX, despite the fact that it must've gone through the shredder |
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| 18:16.56 | EagleCros | err |
| 18:17.04 | lakcaj | !tell simy about ask |
| 18:17.04 | EagleCros | i just googled |
| 18:17.08 | eeyore- | EagleCros: operating system |
| 18:17.16 | antgel | EagleCros: aha, you're under 25 years old then |
| 18:17.29 | eeyore- | oh shoot. i just showed my age :-) |
| 18:17.32 | EagleCros | but any way, my box has a P-IV; I think a 8bit OS is a bit too old for it... |
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| 18:17.39 | EagleCros | antgel: well, 23 :) |
| 18:17.46 | antgel | !win me |
| 18:17.47 | dpkg | Congratulations, antgel! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 18:17.52 | antgel | fuck |
| 18:17.57 | EagleCros | lol |
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| 18:18.17 | EdibleText | antgel, youll have to /mode antgel -E to get it though |
| 18:18.19 | EagleCros | ok, so I think I'll try to ask in another channel, less biased :P |
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| 18:18.35 | antgel | EagleCros: i bet you've never heard of ENIAC either |
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| 18:18.44 | antgel | EdibleText: thanks |
| 18:18.47 | EdibleText | heh |
| 18:18.50 | EagleCros | ENIAC is the first "computer", right? |
| 18:19.06 | antgel | EagleCros: so the yanks (incorrectly) claim |
| 18:19.09 | antgel | !flamebait |
| 18:19.13 | EagleCros | and lakcaj: what is the difference between open suse and regular suse? :-? |
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| 18:19.37 | lakcaj | EagleCros, it's kind of like redhat vs fedora, but not quite |
| 18:19.38 | Seb | antgel: so, SSL or not ? ;) |
| 18:19.40 | simy | i dont really know what version it is, i just downloaded the first disk, i expect it to do dhcp, it says its failed, and no offers have been recieved, however i have only 1 connection available and im using it... |
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| 18:20.02 | EagleCros | what about slackware or gentoo? :-? |
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| 18:20.16 | antgel | Seb: i'm going ipsec. used it before, have a good wiki on setting it up, and feel technically superior and smug. everyone's a winner :D |
| 18:20.16 | ubuntUser | where i can find out if my ram is 133MHz or 100MHz set? |
| 18:20.26 | Seb | antgel: haha |
| 18:20.26 | resiak | ubuntUser: Your name is a giveaway. |
| 18:20.27 | resiak | !ubuntu |
| 18:20.27 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
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| 18:20.43 | pepsi | anyone using vmware with 2.6.12? |
| 18:20.48 | resiak | Probably. |
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| 18:20.53 | antgel | Seb: but the article was definitely interesting. perhaps something to deploy to our morons, er i mean customers |
| 18:20.57 | EdibleText | EagleCros, try MenuetOS. its neat |
| 18:20.58 | EagleCros | dpkg: what other good distro is there out there apart from debian? |
| 18:20.59 | dpkg | EagleCros: I think you lost me on that one |
| 18:21.02 | EdibleText | !MenuetOS |
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| 18:21.03 | Seb | antgel: the 2nd one you mean ? |
| 18:21.05 | EagleCros | meh |
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| 18:21.15 | ubuntUser | resiak: what do u mean? |
| 18:21.15 | simy | how can i stop a module from loading? |
| 18:21.25 | EagleCros | EdibleText: google search running on that one |
| 18:21.25 | OCA| | Is there a separate channel for less used architectures (MIPS specifically?) |
| 18:21.26 | Seb | simy: what is loading it ? |
| 18:21.27 | resiak | ubuntUser: You're an Ubuntu user! Get back to #ubuntu where you belong! |
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| 18:21.30 | resiak | !mipsn |
| 18:21.31 | resiak | !mips |
| 18:21.31 | dpkg | i heard mips is (Million Instructions Per Second) This is a rating of how quickly a processor can process instructions. A processor rated at 100 MIPS can process 100,000,000 instructions per second. or a port of linux to computers equiped with MIPS processors. or Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed, or a processor commonly found in video game console systems, and some computers, for more information, join #MIPSLinux. |
| 18:21.33 | antgel | Seb: i never saw the 2nd one. had connection, er, issues |
| 18:21.39 | Seb | antgel: oh |
| 18:21.41 | EagleCros | simy: do you mean from loading at boot time? |
| 18:21.43 | ubuntUser | resiak: i belong to noone;p |
| 18:21.43 | simy | Seb it loads when it boots up |
| 18:21.48 | ubuntUser | it's normal nick |
| 18:21.50 | simy | EagleCros yeah |
| 18:21.51 | Seb | antgel: nothing ipsec related I hope ? :D |
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| 18:21.56 | ubuntUser | i just want to answer |
| 18:22.00 | ubuntUser | simply? |
| 18:22.05 | resiak | ubuntUser: Somewhere in /proc, probably. |
| 18:22.06 | simy | the dhcp is working but 2 drivers load for it, 8129too and 8139cp |
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| 18:22.14 | simy | for the network card i mean |
| 18:22.18 | Seb | antgel: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/linux_vpn.txt |
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| 18:22.20 | EagleCros | simy: man modules, although other events might reload the module after booting |
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| 18:22.24 | antgel | Seb: no, those difficulties are about to come up |
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| 18:22.33 | necrite | hi all |
| 18:22.56 | albercomp | hi all, anyone experienced with the Auditor distro of Knoppix? |
| 18:22.58 | blackout | i was excited to see the daapd package made its way into debian - are there any clients in debian that can ready from that share, and automatically detect what's on the network, like iTunes can? |
| 18:23.03 | Seb | antgel: got it this time ? :> |
| 18:23.08 | albercomp | I'd just like some help with installing .deb packages |
| 18:23.14 | eeyore- | does anybody make nforce-4 board with AGP? |
| 18:23.19 | EdibleText | dpkg, MenuetOS is Graphical realtime OS written in all 32-bit assembly, for x86 i386+, fits on one floppy, protected memory, 44 kHz sound soon, GUI, DOS loader download; |
| 18:23.19 | albercomp | I am brand new at this |
| 18:23.20 | dpkg | EdibleText: okay |
| 18:23.24 | EagleCros | The design goal has been to remove the extra layers between different parts of an OS, which normally complicates programming and create bugs. <-- monolithic, hence? |
| 18:23.25 | necrite | how can i know what device is my SD reader? is integred in my laptop .. |
| 18:23.25 | antgel | Seb: no, dropped out for a sec ;) |
| 18:23.35 | eeyore- | i just bought my AGP video card about a year ago and i'd hate to spend more money to upgrade to PCI-E right now |
| 18:23.35 | Seb | hahaha |
| 18:23.41 | simy | EagleCros there not in /etc/modules ive looked there |
| 18:23.48 | antgel | albercomp: go to the help facilites for your distro |
| 18:24.02 | antgel | eeyore-: #hardware. please. |
| 18:24.04 | albercomp | even though it's debian based? |
| 18:24.14 | eeyore- | antgel: you're new, aren't you? |
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| 18:24.18 | antgel | !tell albercomp about debian based |
| 18:24.29 | antgel | eeyore-: compared to what? |
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| 18:24.36 | eeyore- | antgel: compared to me :-) |
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| 18:24.59 | antgel | eeyore-: only you can be the judge of that |
| 18:24.59 | enamorado | alguna tiaç |
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| 18:25.03 | ramon | nick bloodbare |
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| 18:25.12 | EagleCros | simy: mmm it might be that the kernel is loading it upon need, or that a debian package-whose-name-I-cannot-recall is loading it |
| 18:25.22 | Seb | hotplug namely |
| 18:25.25 | antgel | eeyore-: between ourselves, pc hardware is one of my top 3 boring subject in the world |
| 18:25.45 | Seb | eeyore-: tell him some more about PS ;) |
| 18:25.55 | eeyore- | Seb: one of these days he'll figure it out :-) |
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| 18:25.59 | Seb | hah |
| 18:26.00 | necrite | this is the driver Yenta: CardBus bridge found at 0000:02:09.0 [17c0:3203] |
| 18:26.03 | EagleCros | hotplug is the kernel loading utility, isn't it? I mean another one |
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| 18:26.12 | simy | EagleCros uhmm ok, so if no luck there, then on to my next question i think upgrading to kernel 2.8 (vs 2.6) might help my dhcp probelm, however, i only have a 256 usb stick and cdroms, no internet on this comp |
| 18:26.13 | ryan25 | howdy |
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| 18:26.31 | Seb | simy: try to put the offending module in hotplug's blacklist |
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| 18:26.40 | EagleCros | kernel 2.8? :-? |
| 18:26.43 | Seb | simy: 2.8 ? |
| 18:26.49 | eeyore- | EagleCros: hotplug loads (and optionally uploads firmware) driver for your hardware that you insert/remove while pc is running (in as much as possible) |
| 18:26.54 | poncho | 2.8! |
| 18:27.03 | EdibleText | !2.8 |
| 18:27.16 | simy | ? |
| 18:27.22 | EagleCros | eeyore-: yes, I know, but I think there is another debian deamon? which also does such things |
| 18:27.27 | enamorado | alguna tia |
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| 18:27.31 | eeyore- | simy: why would upgrading kernel help you with dhcp? it's entirely userspace |
| 18:27.37 | nelf | If I want to set a default nice level for a program, how do I do that? I want to drop the priority of xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:27.40 | ryan25 | does anybody know what happened to the non-US folder for unstable? did it get deleted when sarge was released? |
| 18:27.45 | simy | i know on my laptop (this is a friends laptop) i had to upgrade the kernel to get my wireless cad working, firugred might be the same thing |
| 18:27.50 | stew | ryan25: /topic |
| 18:27.53 | EagleCros | s/deamon/daemon |
| 18:27.53 | js_ | eeyore-: except if he forgot CONFIG_SOCKET or what the option is |
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| 18:28.06 | EagleCros | or deamon? ! |
| 18:28.07 | eeyore- | js_: that's the only think kernel-related that he needs |
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| 18:28.10 | stockholm | ryan25: there is no more non-US software in debian |
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| 18:28.18 | zombie_ | !tell ryan25 about crypto in main |
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| 18:28.22 | eeyore- | js_: socket filtering, i think. let me check. |
| 18:28.24 | poncho | I think this is not documented , kernel 2.6 uses /etc/modprobe.d/ instead of modules.conf |
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| 18:29.20 | EdibleText | eeyore-, you need two... dhcpd will whine in /var/log/syslog if you are missing one or both |
| 18:29.21 | eeyore- | js_: i don't see SOCKET in 2.6.13 config. i think it wasn't needed for a few versions already |
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| 18:29.53 | js_ | eeyore-: oh, i see |
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| 18:30.02 | js_ | eeyore-: i just remember i forgot it a couple of times and it made me mad |
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| 18:30.20 | simy | i can tell you waht the site that had a redhad install relating to this said, hiowever i dont think it applies, because when i isntalled i typed linux26 because apparently it wont work if just press enter ( and trust me i tried, also wasted like 6 disks, 3 for net installs (i thought one was bad, one was buisness card install and a spare net instal) plus a knoppix cd to try to get there old files off the hd (the "other" os was screwd bad) and other misc things |
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| 18:30.59 | antgel | PerfDave: upon revisiting my wiki page, i note that we, too, gave up on KAME and used openswan. :) |
| 18:31.01 | EdibleText | simy, what is the problem again? |
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| 18:31.07 | simy | no dhcp |
| 18:31.12 | MrPrimate | i love debian |
| 18:31.13 | EdibleText | dhcpd? |
| 18:31.21 | simy | it says that no offers recieved |
| 18:31.32 | simy | (but only one connectino at a time) |
| 18:31.33 | EdibleText | dhclient? |
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| 18:31.45 | eeyore- | simy: ok, i'm going to ignore that thing you typed above. it made no sense. what is your problem? be precise and concise. |
| 18:31.57 | EagleCros | karsten: where do you happen to live? :-? |
| 18:32.10 | EdibleText | simy, no offeres receieved on a *different* box.. |
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| 18:32.14 | EdibleText | simy, ? |
| 18:32.19 | simy | dhcp fails, it says no offers recieved |
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| 18:32.45 | eeyore- | simy: do you have a DHCP server on your network? |
| 18:32.47 | simy | if you took your cat5 cable out and did ifup eth0, thats the error message ill get, no offers recieved |
| 18:32.55 | EdibleText | simy, thats not helpful |
| 18:32.55 | simy | it works on this computer... |
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| 18:33.14 | simy | theres 2 comptuers, this and the laptop, and only one verizion dsl box... this one does dhcp, both files are setup the same way |
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| 18:33.17 | eeyore- | simy: ok dude, i'm gonna stop helping you now. you're pulling the cable out and expect it to work? WTF. |
| 18:33.30 | simy | eeyore- no i said IF |
| 18:33.33 | karsten | EagleCros: In a house. |
| 18:33.36 | lakcaj | !tell simy about blacklist |
| 18:33.57 | simy | im just goning to tell you guys how this guy got dhcp to work.... |
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| 18:34.01 | karsten | EagleCros: ... actually, technically, at present, in _two_ houses. |
| 18:34.14 | Seb | eeyore-: nah, he's saying he gets no offers received, like if the cable was unplugged :D |
| 18:34.16 | EagleCros | karsten: well, the first answer I guessed |
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| 18:34.31 | Seb | eeyore-: he also says his DHCP server works fine, as he can get on form *this* computer he's on now |
| 18:34.34 | simy | on the same laptop mind you, he says "As it turns out, you must enable Packet Socket and Socket Filtering when building your kernel for the dhclient (DHCP client) to work properly |
| 18:34.39 | EagleCros | karsten: and if you don't live in Aachen, Germany, I don't care about a more concise answer |
| 18:34.54 | poncho | bye!! |
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| 18:35.03 | EdibleText | simy, so you dont run a dhcpd on you own equimpent.. and you are trying to pull an IP (via dhcpclient or the like) from a verizon dsl CPE? |
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| 18:35.17 | EdibleText | !cpe |
| 18:35.17 | Seb | maybe there's mac filtering in there |
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| 18:36.05 | simy | EdibleText All i know is that when it works properly i plug the comptuer into the verizon DSL modem box thing, and i should have internet and it gets its ip from dhcp |
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| 18:36.49 | Hecate | seb: Note that all I'm doing is written in the guide. I'm doing nothing 'fancy' or something |
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| 18:37.00 | agil | tu madre |
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| 18:37.15 | simy | EdibleText got any ideas? |
| 18:37.18 | EdibleText | simy, does your service with verizon allow for more then one computer? |
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| 18:37.28 | Hecate | seb: they say you can connect with ssh (not necesserly using startx) |
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| 18:37.44 | simy | EdibleText yeah, but there isnt a modem here, do only one at a time right now |
| 18:37.49 | Seb | Hecate: you're using cygwin, which is why we can't help ya out. Try #cygwin |
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| 18:37.55 | simy | i ment hub for the modem |
| 18:37.58 | karsten | EagleCros: Nope. California. |
| 18:38.05 | EagleCros | karsten: ok, thanks |
| 18:38.07 | Hecate | seb: okay |
| 18:38.17 | Seb | karsten: oh yeah, I remember that now |
| 18:38.24 | EdibleText | simy, you would need to build your own router/gateway and put boxes behind it.. |
| 18:38.51 | EdibleText | simy, or buy one (like the dlink 604) |
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| 18:39.15 | simy | EdibleText i think your confused, theres more then one comptuer here, and it connects, its not a matter of getting them to connect at the same time, but mearly to have this laptop work properly |
| 18:39.16 | EdibleText | simy, you could try to spoof the mac of the one box that does work on the box that doesnt |
| 18:39.32 | EdibleText | simy, ah .. you are right, I am confies |
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| 18:39.36 | EdibleText | simy, ah .. you are right, I am confused |
| 18:39.40 | xhypbo | anyone know of a good texteditor that has a built in FTP client. I want to edit remote files with out downloading them, and Zend Studio is to heavy for small projects |
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| 18:39.58 | albercomp | when I login as root my PCMCIA NIC shows up, but when OI go to my user account it doesn't seem to want to, what do I need to do? |
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| 18:40.11 | asg | xhypbo: why not use ftpfs or shfs and then use whatever editor you want |
| 18:40.13 | EdibleText | simy, is the other box (that works) a *nix? |
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| 18:40.24 | simy | EdibleText yeah, debian |
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| 18:40.34 | simy | EdibleText im on it now, well actually i ssh |
| 18:40.37 | simy | d to my own comptuer |
| 18:40.40 | xhypbo | asg: I prefer not to. I am not a big fan of ftpfs and shfs |
| 18:40.45 | simy | er ssh'd to my own computer (This is my friends house) |
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| 18:40.47 | cajetanus | xhypbo try jEdit with ftp plugin |
| 18:40.59 | cajetanus | jedit.org |
| 18:41.00 | xhypbo | cajetanus, thanks will do |
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| 18:41.06 | eeyore- | xhypbo: when you edit, the text is in your computer's memory already, so you're already "downloading" it, so to speak |
| 18:41.06 | simy | there isnt an irc client on this computer |
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| 18:41.27 | cajetanus | similar question: how does one use VIM with ftp server? |
| 18:41.37 | eeyore- | xhypb: why not use webdav or something |
| 18:41.47 | EdibleText | simy, ok.. this box that connects doesnt require pppoe or something.. (verizon in FL uses bridged mode) |
| 18:42.02 | EdibleText | just strightup dhcpd |
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| 18:42.27 | simy | yeah |
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| 18:42.31 | tgwj | hi there ! why can't I select bitstream vera sans in xfontsel ? |
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| 18:43.19 | Anthro | tgwj: xfontsel was developed ages ago, and only understands bitmapped fonts. Vera is an outline font, and is handled differently. |
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| 18:43.29 | EdibleText | simy, I would then focus on the MAC address.. someone suggested that earlier.. try spoofing the MAC of the one that works on the one that doesnt |
| 18:43.31 | simy | theres one site that touches base with this, its http://www.wsu.edu/~ice124/ |
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| 18:43.56 | simy | EdibleText ive used another laptop on this same box, just 2 weeks ago or so |
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| 18:44.13 | necrite | i need to mount this card reader? SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller (rev 01) |
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| 18:44.27 | simy | at the site under updates the one dated 99/4/03 it explains it i think |
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| 18:44.36 | EdibleText | simy, hmm .. did you compile your own kernel? |
| 18:44.42 | Anthro | necrite: That isn't a card reader, that's an IDE controller. |
| 18:44.43 | tgwj | how can i use bitstream vera sans in fluxbox styles ? |
| 18:44.48 | simy | at the site under updates the one dated 99/4/03 it explains it i think |
| 18:45.05 | EdibleText | simy, thats why i ask ;) |
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| 18:45.29 | necrite | Anthro, mm it is a integred SD card reader |
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| 18:45.44 | albercomp | is there a reason why I would have to run NIC config from root each time I want to use the internet from my user account? |
| 18:45.47 | simy_ | ok apparently bitchx froze up, im back |
| 18:45.52 | simy_ | did you look at the site? |
| 18:45.54 | Anthro | necrite: integrated how? |
| 18:45.56 | EdibleText | simy, hmm .. did you compile your own kernel? |
| 18:45.59 | fantomas | I'm trying to get a user the permission to execute /sbin/ifconfig via sudo. I know I need to edit /etc/sudoers file for that but can't get wokring variant - sudo returns parse error. Would someone provide a correct line? |
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| 18:46.13 | simy_ | EdibleText no, i havnt the slightest clue how |
| 18:46.13 | EdibleText | simy, i saw that last entry. thats why i ask ;) |
| 18:46.14 | eeyore- | fantomas: show me your line |
| 18:46.17 | necrite | Anthro, in my laptop |
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| 18:46.23 | Zedman | hello. I have a problem. Sometimes X doesnt start at startup. After that I type "startx" an gnome is loading although I use kdm and my preselected wm is kde. This is since a recompiled my kernel for using my nvidia card. I am using sarge and kde 3.4.1. Is there somebody who can help me? It would be very fine... |
| 18:46.27 | asg | fantomas: 1) use 'visudo' to edit the file. 2) man sudoers (there are many examples in there) |
| 18:46.30 | necrite | Anthro, it is not a usb device |
| 18:46.34 | simy_ | EdibleText normaly ild just look for a kernel and apt-get it, but, some problems with that now, lol |
| 18:46.35 | Anthro | necrite: Ah. Then it is probably an IDE device. |
| 18:46.46 | fantomas | eeyore-: "gamer localhost = NOPASSWD: /sbin/ifconfig" |
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| 18:47.06 | necrite | Anthro, but.. how can i know what /dev is? |
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| 18:47.31 | fantomas | asg: yes, I read - too much information for my simple task I guess.. |
| 18:47.32 | EdibleText | simy_, I have had wierdness with a computer.. didnt like dhclient (never bother to find out why) but liked 'pump' |
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| 18:47.44 | fantomas | asg: thats why Im asking :) |
| 18:47.59 | EdibleText | !pump |
| 18:47.59 | dpkg | pump is, like, the default DHCP client in potato, but it has Issues with lease expiration, and passing data to the DHCP server (see "home-dhcp"). Try "apt-get install dhcp-client". try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" |
| 18:48.04 | simy_ | EdibleText ok, how do i get pump? and any required packages and ild require? just look for it? |
| 18:48.21 | simy_ | uhm ok |
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| 18:48.23 | karsten | simy_: I think the point is *don't* use pump. |
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| 18:48.30 | EdibleText | wow that was a while ago |
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| 18:48.48 | Anthro | necrite: well, /dev/hda is probably your HD. If you have an optical drive, it's probably /dev/hdc. I'd try doing dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/null count=1 for each /dev/hd? other than hda and see if one of them doesn't say no such device. |
| 18:48.49 | EdibleText | simy_, yeah you may be better off without pump.. |
| 18:48.49 | simy_ | karsten got any ideas? |
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| 18:49.08 | karsten | simy_: ... Sorry, I haven't been following this issue closely... |
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| 18:49.20 | simy_ | EdibleText i think ild be better off not volenterring to put debian on this laptop,. lol |
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| 18:49.29 | karsten | simy_: ... and I may have made a bad call on not using pump. dhclient is what I'm running these days. |
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| 18:49.33 | EdibleText | simy_, have you check the logs |
| 18:49.47 | karsten | EdibleText: I'd have suggested that a _long_ time ago. |
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| 18:49.53 | EdibleText | simy_, volunteering any computer work is a mistake |
| 18:49.58 | karsten | EdibleText: ...along with statically configuring the link and checking for link lights. |
| 18:50.05 | simy_ | karsten dhcp isnt working, and the kernel needs to be rebuilt with packet socket and socket filtering, however i havnt build a kernel ever before, and would be.... a diffrent experience |
| 18:50.10 | SynrG | cajetanus: http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=337 |
| 18:50.14 | EdibleText | karsten, the logs were suggested long ago... |
| 18:50.15 | karsten | EdibleText: ... and aren't you volunteering now? ;-) |
| 18:50.19 | karsten | EdibleText: OK. |
| 18:50.26 | karsten | simy_: Work with EdibleText |
| 18:50.27 | simy_ | EdibleText it sure is |
| 18:50.38 | humbraro | !shorewall |
| 18:50.38 | dpkg | The Shoreline Firewall, more commonly known as "Shorewall", is a Netfilter (iptables) based firewall that can be used on a dedicated firewall system, a multi-function gateway/router/server or on a standalone GNU/Linux system. See http://www.shorewall.net/ |
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| 18:50.44 | simy_ | karsten ok:) thanks for the break tho |
| 18:50.51 | humbraro | !portsentry |
| 18:50.51 | dpkg | somebody said portsentry was a realtime port scan detection and response utility. It can be found at http://www.psionic.com, or another IDS tool from the Abacus Project. For related tools see also 'apt abacus_project', or if you have @home cable modem service, get portsentry and set it to stealth mode |
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| 18:51.04 | simy_ | between helping watch her kids, fixking her computer, and helping her rearange the house, im worn out, lol |
| 18:51.07 | EdibleText | karsten, there is no consequence here... when you build a computer for someone (family) they expect lifetime support ;) |
| 18:51.25 | EdibleText | at least IRC as /ignore |
| 18:51.29 | EagleCros | offtopic: any ideas what SMT means in "in practice, the following equation is used for SMT:"? |
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| 18:51.51 | simy_ | EdibleText i didnt build it, its a compaq (the beguinning of the problems |
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| 18:52.06 | EdibleText | simy_, no .. I am glad to help you |
| 18:52.06 | simy_ | lol |
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| 18:52.22 | petykoo | hi |
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| 18:52.28 | EdibleText | simy_, so nothing in the logs |
| 18:52.36 | simy_ | sorry, logs? |
| 18:52.39 | simy_ | which? |
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| 18:52.52 | EdibleText | if I was Greycat I would have *plonked* you |
| 18:52.54 | karsten | EdibleText: Point. That's why I've got no family ;-) |
| 18:53.06 | EdibleText | heh |
| 18:53.06 | karsten | simy_: grep -i dhc /var/log/* |
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| 18:53.27 | karsten | simy_: ... or zgrep. Or: zgrep -i dhc $( ls -t /var/log/* | head ) |
| 18:53.29 | simy_ | oh wow |
| 18:54.00 | karsten | simy_: Pipe through less. |
| 18:54.06 | karsten | simy_: ... wow what? |
| 18:54.10 | simy_ | well this has just listed everthing ive been going through (like no dhcpoffers recieved, and no working leases in persistant database |
| 18:54.25 | EagleCros | any ideas of a channel where I might get an answer? |
| 18:54.28 | karsten | simy_: You might also want to check server logs. |
| 18:54.40 | EdibleText | karsten, verizon CPE |
| 18:54.40 | karsten | EagleCros: Just answers? Or do they have to sound correct? |
| 18:54.47 | karsten | EdibleText: Dig. |
| 18:55.02 | karsten | EdibleText: Have him file a Service Request then ;-) |
| 18:55.11 | simy_ | m how do i pipe through less? |
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| 18:55.16 | EagleCros | karsten: well, just answers is the hardcore approach. I can do the correct search myself... although a correct answer is much more valued |
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| 18:55.21 | karsten | EdibleText: OMFG. |
| 18:55.26 | EdibleText | karsten, he may be violating his serivce contract ;) |
| 18:55.28 | necrite | Anthro, for i in b d e f g h ; do dd if=/dev/hd$i of=/dev/null count=1 ; done; nothing found |
| 18:55.36 | EdibleText | ok almost time to go |
| 18:56.05 | EdibleText | too mucj |
| 18:56.09 | EdibleText | h even |
| 18:56.09 | simy_ | \? |
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| 18:56.27 | karsten | simy_: http://www.linux-tutorial.info/modules.php?name=Tutorial&pageid=21 |
| 18:56.31 | simy_ | im gona have to try to rebuild this kernel arnt it |
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| 18:56.34 | simy_ | er i |
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| 18:57.43 | Zap-W | Bad session type lac: expecting laic|laoc|lnic|lnoc , anyone know what these 4 are? in l2tp protocol |
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| 18:58.04 | notty | a little oftopic question but i have a bash scripts that it give the error: error line 97: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"', dose that means i missed an ending " somewhere ? if yes, how can i find it ? line 97 is the last line and all " are ok there. |
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| 18:58.29 | simy_ | i dont see anythign worth noting in the logs, opther then it tried to use eth1 and sit0 (and i dono what they are, i only have 1 build int nic, and a modem) |
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| 18:59.18 | eeyore- | notty: problem could have started much earlier |
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| 19:00.12 | notty | eeyore-: is there a way to find the exact " ? i have 60-70 of them... and it's hard to just look... |
| 19:00.37 | eeyore- | notty: not really, maybe you can load the file in vim and let color syntax highlighting help you |
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| 19:01.11 | rjarlote | hi all |
| 19:01.12 | eeyore- | notty: usually that'll help you spot missing " ' easily |
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| 19:01.39 | ThePiratemaster | does anyome know a good place to get some preformence data on software runnig on different platforms |
| 19:01.39 | rjarlote | I'm compiling kernel 2.6.13, and I got this error http://pastebin.com/353040 |
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| 19:01.47 | eeyore- | bbl |
| 19:02.00 | rjarlote | is seems to be from power? |
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| 19:02.03 | rjarlote | any idea? |
| 19:02.42 | EdibleText | rjarlote, does the compile stop? |
| 19:02.45 | EagleCros | in case anybody cares, SMT meant Statistical Machine Translation (the topic of the paper I am reading... duh) |
| 19:02.49 | notty | eeyore-: i don't use vim.. but what do i have to press to higllight the text ? |
| 19:03.14 | rjarlote | [EdibleText] no, it continues |
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| 19:03.51 | EdibleText | rjarlote, adviso probably means 'warning' in whatever romance language that is |
| 19:03.53 | rjarlote | this is the second compilation, becouse the first one at the mkinitrd says it will not boot |
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| 19:04.10 | rjarlote | yes |
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| 19:04.21 | rjarlote | aviso means warning |
| 19:04.24 | rjarlote | spanish version here |
| 19:04.42 | rjarlote | spain european version |
| 19:04.47 | petykoo | bye |
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| 19:05.28 | EagleCros | rjarlote: you won't happen to be from valencia? |
| 19:05.31 | EdibleText | rjarlote, I dont think that is preventing the boot.. my bet is that it is unrelated to the actual problem/ which is probably because of missing support for something.. |
| 19:05.45 | EdibleText | rjarlote, whay happends during [attempted] boot |
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| 19:06.26 | rjarlote | I didn't try |
| 19:06.45 | rjarlote | just make another compilation reading carfully the make menuconfig |
| 19:06.58 | rjarlote | I was at work |
| 19:06.59 | rjarlote | XD |
| 19:07.23 | rjarlote | now I will try sure if it works |
| 19:07.26 | rjarlote | thanks |
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| 19:07.43 | rjarlote | no valencia |
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| 19:07.46 | rjarlote | barcelona |
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| 19:07.52 | EagleCros | ah |
| 19:08.07 | EagleCros | well, I'm from Valencia |
| 19:08.13 | rjarlote | weah |
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| 19:08.31 | rjarlote | així som veïns? |
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| 19:08.34 | EagleCros | btw, XD is not always understood outside Spain :) |
| 19:08.41 | rjarlote | we are neighbors |
| 19:08.48 | EagleCros | sí, encara que no sé escriure massa be |
| 19:09.01 | rjarlote | jejejej |
| 19:09.17 | rjarlote | hauríen de fer un #debian-paisos-catalans |
| 19:09.23 | rjarlote | debian-germanor |
| 19:09.26 | rjarlote | XD |
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| 19:09.28 | EagleCros | jajaaj |
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| 19:09.34 | rjarlote | ajaja |
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| 19:09.48 | zinx | invasion of the spanish-speakers |
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| 19:10.06 | EagleCros | but I don't really trust myself to write in that language |
| 19:10.07 | zinx | or something where j is h ;) |
| 19:10.10 | rjarlote | sorry zinx |
| 19:10.11 | EdibleText | invasion of spambots from 85.101.* |
| 19:10.16 | EagleCros | lol |
| 19:10.22 | zinx | EdibleText: that too, but they're getting K'd ;) |
| 19:10.23 | rjarlote | hahah |
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| 19:10.49 | EagleCros | I'll start studying some spelling this september |
| 19:10.51 | rjarlote | well I look for somebody who installed an amper usb wifi |
| 19:11.09 | rjarlote | I'm turning crazy for this week |
| 19:11.10 | zinx | wifi on linux is evil |
| 19:11.19 | rjarlote | yes, I got no choice |
| 19:11.21 | Supaplex | !evil |
| 19:11.21 | dpkg | [evil] redhat,something that should be smited! anything is evil if guestish decrees it! |
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| 19:11.22 | endomandi | why? |
| 19:11.22 | zinx | what's the vendor:product id on that thing? |
| 19:11.23 | rjarlote | need it |
| 19:11.27 | EagleCros | in public work offers, I get more points for knowing (and being able to proove it) valenciano, than if I know 10 other languages |
| 19:11.43 | rjarlote | [zinx] Intersil |
| 19:11.59 | EagleCros | s/proove/prove |
| 19:12.02 | rjarlote | As I read at many sites is compatible prism2.5 |
| 19:12.06 | rjarlote | but |
| 19:12.12 | zinx | rjarlote: http://at76c503a.berlios.de/ |
| 19:12.14 | rjarlote | I got no luck |
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| 19:12.32 | rjarlote | no, I tryed this |
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| 19:12.38 | rjarlote | didn't work |
| 19:12.40 | endomandi | Atheros, Prism2, 2.5, 3 (one of those is duette, I think) all have reasonably open drivers. |
| 19:12.54 | rjarlote | also I tryed the linux-wlan-ng |
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| 19:13.04 | endomandi | Atheros has a HAL, but that's the FCCs fault (and it has caused some problems) |
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| 19:13.19 | zinx | rjarlote: well, if all else fails, you can try ndiswrapper |
| 19:13.21 | rjarlote | I need to compile kernel with pnp support? |
| 19:13.32 | rjarlote | also try ndiswrapper this morning |
| 19:13.36 | zinx | rjarlote: no, but you need USB and hotplug support |
| 19:13.37 | tgwj | I changed the gtk2 font (via switch2), but firfox and thunderbird do not respect the change ! (XChat, for instance, does.) |
| 19:13.38 | rjarlote | with the propper drivers |
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| 19:13.59 | PerfDave | I get better performance out of it under Linux than I do with the manufacturer's drivers under Windows ;) |
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| 19:14.09 | rjarlote | zinx, I didn't find "hotplug usb support" at the make menuconfig of kernel 2.6.13 |
| 19:14.09 | Kcd | helo |
| 19:14.29 | rjarlote | any idea where is it |
| 19:14.30 | rjarlote | ? |
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| 19:14.40 | Kcd | i have register my nick but i forge tmy password, how do i recover it ? |
| 19:15.30 | rjarlote | I look for it at devices--->Usb |
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| 19:15.38 | rjarlote | nothing about hotplug |
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| 19:16.06 | rjarlote | well, when I put "lsusb" at shell I see the Intersil plugged |
| 19:16.08 | Blissex | Kcd: you ask the NickServ to send it to you IIRC. |
| 19:16.19 | Blissex | Kcd: aks in #Freenode too. |
| 19:16.20 | rjarlote | but it don't work |
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| 19:17.44 | rjarlote | [EagleCros] has fet vacances a asturies? |
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| 19:18.02 | asserted | Hi guys, i'd like to know if there's utilities in debian to recover an hfs+ filesystem, it's from a mac that has bad sectors and a guy wants the datas back, i did a dd to get an image of the disk but some sectors beeing dead.... any idea ? |
| 19:18.05 | zinx | rjarlote: two separate things |
| 19:18.06 | Kcd | Blissex, i can't send any command/message on #freenode, i thnik i don't have permission |
| 19:18.10 | zinx | rjarlote: usb support, and hotplug support |
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| 19:18.24 | EagleCros | rjarlote: vaig estar allí divendres, dissabte, diumenge i dilluns |
| 19:18.31 | EagleCros | quina casualitat XD |
| 19:18.33 | zinx | rjarlote: well if lsusb shows it your usb support is all there, hotplug doesn't matter too much |
| 19:18.36 | Blissex | Kcd: you can always register a different nickname and use that too. |
| 19:18.49 | rjarlote | zinx: usb support enabled sure |
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| 19:18.50 | zinx | rjarlote: just scour the web for drivers :/ |
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| 19:18.58 | rjarlote | [zinx] ok |
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| 19:19.18 | EagleCros | afk |
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| 19:19.20 | Kcd | Blissex, yes, but i want my nickname |
| 19:19.22 | rjarlote | [EagleCros] vaig tenir un petit incident amb un paio valencià a Verdicio |
| 19:19.23 | zinx | rjarlote: it's not easy getting wireless working in Linux, due to most chipset manufacturers trying to protect their "IP", not giving out any specs whatsoever to developers |
| 19:19.33 | zinx | rjarlote: or at least the most popular (i.e., cheapest) chipsets |
| 19:19.39 | Blissex | Kcd: with a new nickname you can connect to #Freenode and ask there. |
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| 19:19.47 | rjarlote | I know, as I read at the web |
| 19:19.50 | Blissex | Kcd: did you associate an email address with your registered nick? |
| 19:19.53 | EagleCros | no, jo vaig anar a Oviedo i als Llacs de Covadonga |
| 19:19.58 | Kcd | Blissex, yes, i did |
| 19:19.59 | EagleCros | (precios) |
| 19:20.03 | rjarlote | jajaja |
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| 19:20.21 | rjarlote | I al cabo penyas? |
| 19:20.27 | Blissex | Kcd: then almost surely you can ask NickServ to send you the password to that email address. |
| 19:20.30 | rjarlote | es collonut el cabo penyes |
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| 19:20.43 | rjarlote | si tornes mai a Asturies t'ho recomano |
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| 19:20.47 | rjarlote | ;-) |
| 19:20.54 | EagleCros | no, me vaig quedar a Luanco |
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| 19:21.00 | rjarlote | ayyy |
| 19:21.04 | rjarlote | Luanco es a prop |
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| 19:21.12 | EagleCros | no hi havía autobussos el diumenge |
| 19:21.18 | rjarlote | vaia |
| 19:21.18 | EagleCros | (al cabo penyes) |
| 19:21.22 | rjarlote | ja |
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| 19:22.14 | Seb | hmm, I just made a UDF image with mkisofs, and it seems to truncate filenmes at 65 chars, is that to be expected ? |
| 19:22.16 | asserted | Hi guys, i'd like to know if there's utilities in debian to recover an hfs+ filesystem, it's from a mac that has bad sectors and a guy wants the datas back, i did a dd to get an image of the disk but some sectors beeing dead.... any idea ? |
| 19:22.20 | rjarlote | I try ndiswrapper but when I try to modprobe it the shell freeze |
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| 19:22.51 | Seb | asserted: well, isn't there a fsck.hfssomething ? |
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| 19:23.11 | odat | hi everyone |
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| 19:23.16 | zepeuga | i've got this error when running mysqld, after installing it |
| 19:23.18 | zepeuga | 050902 21:22:02 InnoDB: Started |
| 19:23.19 | zepeuga | 050902 21:22:02 Fatal error: Can't open privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist |
| 19:23.19 | zepeuga | 050902 21:22:02 Aborting |
| 19:23.19 | zepeuga | 050902 21:22:02 InnoDB: Starting shutdown... |
| 19:23.19 | zepeuga | 050902 21:22:04 InnoDB: Shutdown completed |
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| 19:23.33 | odat | how do you remove a program that doesn't show up in your package manager? |
| 19:23.45 | [bono] | BenC: the precompiled debian package solved the problem for now. thanks again. |
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| 19:23.52 | Kcd | Blissex, how, i dn't find with /msg nickserv help |
| 19:24.00 | stew | odat: dpkg -r pkgname |
| 19:24.21 | odat | thanks stew |
| 19:24.31 | itom | problem with alsa-utils and udev in testing.. where I can find alsa-utils_1.0.9a-3_i386.deb? |
| 19:24.41 | odat | stew: pkgname= the command that launches the program? |
| 19:24.50 | asserted | Seb no fsck.hfsplus |
| 19:24.56 | PerfDave | odat: How did you install it if it's not oin your package manager? |
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| 19:25.13 | nf1 | Hi, how can I change the default DM from GDM to KDM? 10x |
| 19:25.15 | Blissex | Kcd: I am looking too, it is easiest if you just register a new nick and ask someone in #Freenode. |
| 19:25.18 | [bono] | Question: after doing a simple "apt-get install mysql-server" (testing/4.0.24-10), I get: "error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'. Can anyone help? |
| 19:25.19 | odat | perfdave: from source |
| 19:25.23 | EdibleText | odat, was this installed as a deb.. or did you install it from, say, a tarball |
| 19:25.25 | Seb | asserted: even in hfsplus or hfsutils ? |
| 19:25.29 | stew | odat: "dpkg -S path" will tell you what package owns the program |
| 19:25.32 | stew | odat: from source? |
| 19:25.52 | odat | stew: i think a tarball |
| 19:25.54 | EdibleText | odat, then you brok your package management... youll probably have to remove it by habd |
| 19:26.04 | EdibleText | hand even |
| 19:26.09 | stew | odat: follow the insstructions that came with whatever it is for removal or remove it by hand |
| 19:26.14 | Seb | odat: there usually is a make uninstall if you kept the source |
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| 19:26.40 | PerfDave | odat: You *did8 compile it into /usr/local right? |
| 19:26.42 | asserted | hey, hold on, apparemtly the darwim team did something about it |
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| 19:27.19 | EdibleText | odat, also check if there existes a 'debian' directory (many sources from tarball do) you can then build a deb nextime from it.. ie 'debian/rules binary' |
| 19:27.45 | Edwin_Quijada | i get this error with hylafax :/usr/local/sbin/textfmt: No font metric information found for "Courier-Bold". |
| 19:27.47 | Edwin_Quijada | Usage: /usr/local/sbin/textfmt [-1] [-2] [-B] [-c] [-D] [-f fontname] [-F fontdir(s)] [-m N] [-o #] [-p #] [-r] [-U] [-Ml=#,r=#,t=#,b=#] [-V #] files... >out.ps |
| 19:27.47 | Edwin_Quijada | Default options: -f Courier -1 -p 11bp -o 0 |
| 19:27.47 | Edwin_Quijada | Error converting data; command was "/usr/local/sbin/textfmt -B -f Courier-Bold -Ml=0.4in -p 11 -s default >/tmp//sndfaxKHz9tI </etc/passwd |
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| 19:28.12 | odat | perfdave: yea |
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| 19:28.46 | Zopilote | quiero instalar una red local, lo puedo hacer con debian ? y si se puede, donde puedo conseguir manuales de como configurarlo ? |
| 19:28.52 | PerfDave | odat: Then you should just need to rm /usr/local/$application and temove the symlinks from /usr/local/bin |
| 19:29.23 | EdibleText | Zopilote, hablamos inglese aqui; /join debian-es |
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| 19:29.25 | EdibleText | !es |
| 19:29.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:29.31 | Zopilote | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:29.57 | Zopilote | ook, thks ! ;D |
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| 19:31.34 | rjarlote | [zinx] I have this usb wifi: http://www.telefonicaonline.com/on/es/micro/adsl/ayudainst/images/usbsenao.gif |
| 19:31.38 | Edwin_Quijada | I am using hylafax and I get this error: No font metric information found for "Courier-Bold" |
| 19:32.04 | rjarlote | seems to be a Senao International Ltd. |
| 19:32.11 | Edwin_Quijada | I am using sendfax command |
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| 19:32.56 | odat | edibletext: how would i have broke my package manager |
| 19:33.09 | EdibleText | Edwin_Quijada, you probably need some font package. Im sure hylafax would suggest or recommend something |
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| 19:34.15 | EdibleText | odat, it didnt break the manager, it broke the _management_ |
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| 19:34.47 | Edwin_Quijada | i installed everything hylafax said |
| 19:35.01 | EdibleText | odat, you cant remove it via apt-get remove or dpkg -r. it exists outside of dpkg's "knowledge" |
| 19:35.09 | odat | edibletext: ok because i thought that stuff i used to install that way showed up in the package manager |
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| 19:35.25 | EdibleText | odat, it needs to be a .deb |
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| 19:36.19 | EdibleText | odat, many source tarballs have a 'debian' directory. you can create a deb from that source via 'debian/rules binary' |
| 19:37.06 | Seb | I can't seem to have filenames longer than 64 chars when using mkisofs -JR -udf ... : the resulting image, mounted as UDF, truncates filenames to 64, but when mounted as iso9660, it shows the longer names |
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| 19:37.10 | Seb | so I'm confused |
| 19:37.13 | Yoe | EdibleText: or by using 'dpkg-buildpackage' |
| 19:37.18 | Yoe | sorry |
| 19:37.19 | odat | edibletext: thanx man although make uninstall seems to be working |
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| 19:37.23 | Yoe | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
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| 19:37.44 | odat | anyone know of a good cd burning program? |
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| 19:37.52 | sepski | odat, cdrecord |
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| 19:38.03 | Yoe | odat: there are many. What's your definition of 'good'? |
| 19:38.07 | EdibleText | Seb, man mkisofs there are options which allow for longer filenames |
| 19:38.09 | tarzeau | odat: cdrdao |
| 19:38.14 | PerfDave | odat: k3b |
| 19:38.16 | EdibleText | Seb, iirc |
| 19:38.24 | odat | sepski: well i'm setting it up as a house computer so people can burn stuff easily |
| 19:38.25 | Seb | EdibleText: those options are for Joliet, which as I said does show longer names fine :\ |
| 19:38.44 | Seb | EdibleText: the UDF spec says 128 chars, so I don't understand why I'm getting only 64... |
| 19:38.57 | odat | perfdave: k3b hmmmm that would be anti gnome lololol |
| 19:39.00 | Seb | odat: k3b will probably suit you better |
| 19:39.15 | Yoe | odat: there's also a nautilus plugin to burn CD-ROMs |
| 19:39.18 | rjarlote | please help, I have same error whit mkinitrd!!: http://pastebin.com/353078 |
| 19:39.20 | PerfDave | odat: You can run k3b in GNOME |
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| 19:39.28 | EdibleText | Seb, ok. no experiance with udf really |
| 19:39.32 | rjarlote | says kernel will not boot |
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| 19:39.39 | odat | perfdave: i know just joking |
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| 19:39.45 | Yoe | odat: it doesn't do audio CD's (at least not if I'm not missing something), but it does data CD's easily and very nicely. |
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| 19:39.55 | odat | yoe: burn music cd-roms in nautilus? |
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| 19:40.01 | odat | ahhh ok |
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| 19:40.20 | odat | i tried serpentine but with no luck |
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| 19:40.29 | odat | looks to have some promise thogh |
| 19:40.31 | odat | though |
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| 19:40.47 | EdibleText | Yoe, does dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot depend on a 'debian' dir.. |
| 19:41.00 | Seb | EdibleText: it does |
| 19:41.06 | EdibleText | ok |
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| 19:41.07 | Yoe | EdibleText: yes. dpkg-buildpackage is the canonical way to build packages under Debian. |
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| 19:41.13 | poncho | Hello.! |
| 19:41.33 | rjarlote | sorry, I got this error: http://pastebin.com/353078 doing mkinitr |
| 19:41.40 | poncho | Someone here with experience on the doomsday engine ? |
| 19:41.40 | rjarlote | what can I do |
| 19:41.42 | sepski | rjarlote, and those modules are not compiled in? is this a kernel-image kernel ? |
| 19:41.42 | EdibleText | I wonder if that was around when I figured out the binary rules command.. |
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| 19:41.51 | EdLin | !someone |
| 19:41.52 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 19:42.25 | Evil_Devil | hi |
| 19:42.25 | Evil_Devil | How can i backup my reiserfs partition under linux like norton ghost under windows? |
| 19:42.25 | rjarlote | [sepski] is the kernel 2.6.13 downloaded and compiled by me |
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| 19:42.27 | Seb | EdibleText: what's crazy is that in man mkisofs, -J (joliet) says the limit is 64 chars, but I do get more without any extra options ! |
| 19:42.30 | poncho | So, how should i ask ? |
| 19:42.31 | odat | is building from an svn tough? |
| 19:42.34 | Seb | EdibleText: this feels... backward |
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| 19:42.40 | sepski | rjarlote, then you probably have those modules installed allready then ? |
| 19:42.46 | sepski | rjarlote, compiled into |
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| 19:43.09 | uidzelro | 86.59.5.130 |
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| 19:43.11 | rjarlote | you mean at the modules boot script? |
| 19:43.16 | EdibleText | Seb, I rarly use mkisofs, so I wind up mounting every iso on loop back before I burn ;) |
| 19:43.20 | Seb | uidzelro: root passwd too ? |
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| 19:43.31 | astronut | have disntall/katie finished? |
| 19:43.33 | EdibleText | Seb, after reading the man page twice, of course |
| 19:43.38 | sepski | rjarlote, i mean you have compiled those drivers into the kernel and not as modules when you configured your kernel before you compiled it |
| 19:43.42 | Evil_Devil | How can i backup my reiserfs partition under linux like norton ghost under windows |
| 19:43.56 | Seb | EdibleText: hehe, well that'd be a good test, mounting a udf loopback and seeing if I can have filenames longer than 64 |
| 19:44.04 | EdLin | !tell Evil_Devil about repeat |
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| 19:44.15 | uidzelro | Weasel, stop beeing a weasel... and take it like a man you tool |
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| 19:44.20 | Seb | Evil_Devil: you could dd it to a file, or use parted maybe |
| 19:44.24 | CrocoJet | I am trying to make install nvidia drivers in my debian 3.1, but getting this message: "You appear to be compiling the NVIDIA kernel module with |
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| 19:44.24 | CrocoJet | a compiler different from the one that was used to compile |
| 19:44.24 | CrocoJet | the running kernel. " Kernel compiler version : 3.3.6 |
| 19:44.24 | CrocoJet | Detected compiler version : 3.3.5 |
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| 19:44.36 | rjarlote | [sepski] I don't know I will read make menuconfig to search for those modules |
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| 19:44.48 | EdibleText | Seb, truth be told, The firsting thing i do is grep my .bash_history |
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| 19:44.58 | Seb | EdibleText: i use ctrl-r a lot, yeah |
| 19:45.01 | Evil_Devil | dd didnt worked i tried |
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| 19:45.12 | CrocoJet | I am trying to make install nvidia drivers in my debian 3.1, but getting this message: |
| 19:45.12 | Seb | dpkg, tell Evil_Devil about didn't work |
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| 19:45.18 | Seb | dpkg, tell Evil_Devil about doesn't work |
| 19:45.19 | poncho | !dpkg tell CrocoJet about nvidia-howto |
| 19:45.24 | CrocoJet | "You appear to be compiling the NVIDIA kernel module with |
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| 19:45.49 | CrocoJet | poncho, thanks |
| 19:45.56 | EdibleText | CrocoJet, did a paperclip appear when you saw that? ;) |
| 19:45.59 | poncho | thanks to dpkg |
| 19:46.13 | Seb | crocojet was gonna transform 4 lines into 5, heh |
| 19:46.14 | EdLin | !thanks |
| 19:46.14 | dpkg | that's ok |
| 19:46.16 | poncho | mmm |
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| 19:48.04 | EdibleText | later. enjoy the holiday, if you observe one. |
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| 19:48.18 | brett | hey anybody here having problems with xemacs fonts on unstable? |
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| 19:48.31 | Evil_Devil | when i tried dd and it didnt work the filesystem all went checking every time i turned on the pc i couldnt get to the linux |
| 19:48.32 | Evil_Devil | i think the fs was broken |
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| 19:48.40 | simonrvn | sorry for posting this again, but i thought some folks might want to see what's going on: http://simonraven.nuit.ca/blog/categories/rants/NewOrleansandHurricaneKatrina.html?seemore=y # for the nagin.mp3, PLASE DO NOT use simonraven.nuit.ca, my link is saturated as it is. there's other links to it |
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| 19:48.54 | cTyDeHT | hiall |
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| 19:49.10 | sepski | Evil_Devil, this is what you need?? http://blog.internetinnovation.com/index.php?p=2 ?? |
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| 19:49.39 | cTyDeHT | i've a question about i6300 watchdog, which channel should i join ? |
| 19:49.42 | Evil_Devil | ok !thanks |
| 19:49.56 | [bono] | cTyDeHT: #mklinux maybe? |
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| 19:50.08 | cTyDeHT | [bono]: maybe, thanks |
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| 19:51.22 | takatumi_ | botmania! |
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| 19:53.12 | takatumi | any clues on which virus/trojan this is? |
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| 19:53.30 | uidzelro | none if using lnx ? |
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| 19:54.16 | takatumi | uidzelro: never know, checked /var/log/auth.log? |
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| 19:54.55 | grogoreo | hi |
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| 19:55.06 | Morti | How do I find out if a network card is running in half duplex? |
| 19:55.21 | Feyr-Wrk | usually, with mii-tool |
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| 19:55.43 | simonrvn | takatumi: seems to be a worm. *apparently* - if this is the same thing as a few days ago, it tries to find win2000 and winxp clients and sends them the payload, which then installs itself on the box in question |
| 19:55.53 | cTyDeHT | i've a problem with my i6300 watchdog - it doesn't reboot my linux box when it should and i don't know where i'm wrong |
| 19:55.53 | grogoreo | I'm going to comiple a program (jahshaka) and after I do the configure, then make should I then turn the files into a deb, instead of doing 'make install'? Should I just do, alien <folder>? |
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| 19:56.28 | cTyDeHT | [i'm sorry but it seems there's no right channel for this question] |
| 19:56.40 | takatumi | simonrvn: names/variants? |
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| 19:56.54 | simonrvn | cTyDeHT: wait a bit, the folks in #mklinux are likely busy |
| 19:57.06 | poncho | bye! |
| 19:57.24 | Yoe | cTyDeHT: does your log say anything useful? |
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| 19:57.36 | cTyDeHT | simonrvn: i hope it's true :-) |
| 19:57.51 | cTyDeHT | Yoe: it says i6300ESB timer: Unexpected close, not stopping watchdog! |
| 19:58.00 | cTyDeHT | Yoe: and no reboot after that |
| 19:58.05 | simonrvn | takatumi: no idea. i tried faking my VERSION the other day, to get them to send me the thing |
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| 19:58.21 | simonrvn | takatumi: no dice |
| 19:58.24 | takatumi | simonrvn: cheers. |
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| 19:58.34 | cTyDeHT | Yoe: it appears when /dev/watchdog is closed |
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| 19:58.39 | Yoe | cTyDeHT: there's an option in the kernel to make /any/ close fatal. Have you tried that one? |
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| 19:58.56 | stockholm | since when is the access list of this channel readable? |
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| 19:59.33 | JagualrXR220 | Stockholm, hejja Slussen!!! :)=) |
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| 19:59.35 | JagualrXR220 | hehe |
| 19:59.48 | stockholm | JagualrXR220: hej! |
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| 19:59.55 | cTyDeHT | Yoe: i haven't, but it seems that driver counts this close as fatal, it's ok, but hardware doesn't reboot box, so i suppose itt's driver error |
| 20:00.20 | JagualrXR220 | Stockholm, hej! |
| 20:00.22 | Yoe | cTyDeHT: hmm, that could be true. |
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| 20:01.03 | cTyDeHT | Yoe: but this driver is almost 3 months old and i didn't found any bugreports, and this confuses me |
| 20:01.09 | JagualrXR220 | Stockholm: Jävla Tyskar som kickar mig... det lär rapporteras till generalen snart! :) |
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| 20:01.22 | jethro | JagualrXR220: stick to english please |
| 20:01.35 | Yoe | cTyDeHT: the fact that there are no bug reports doesn't imply that there are no bugs ;-) |
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| 20:01.39 | stockholm | JagualrXR220: i am german too, but i live in sweden (c: |
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| 20:01.50 | JagualrXR220 | jethro: Respect for me, if not go google plz |
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| 20:02.15 | stockholm | JagualrXR220: who kicked you? |
| 20:02.21 | dimitri_ | this seems liek a stupid question but if I log via ssh and I launch an application such as vnstat and then I log :q |
| 20:02.21 | cTyDeHT | Yoe: i can try to debug it, but source is clear and i think problem is that device is misconfigured and doesn't reboot box on timeout |
| 20:02.22 | JagualrXR220 | Stockholm: Swe pwns in anything computing, well mostly ;) |
| 20:02.22 | stockholm | and why? (c: |
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| 20:02.40 | dimitri_ | oops sorry |
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| 20:02.42 | Yoe | cTyDeHT: no clue then, sorry. Don't have that much experience with watchdogs. |
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| 20:02.50 | Yoe | (none at all, in fact) |
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| 20:03.27 | cTyDeHT | ok, will try something else |
| 20:03.28 | stockholm | i cant help either, my watchdog worked just fine |
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| 20:03.36 | takatumi | cTyDeHT: all I know about watchdogs are, don't use them. (except for the real ones. grr..) |
| 20:03.42 | cTyDeHT | stockholm: do you have i6300 watchdog ? |
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| 20:03.54 | stockholm | cTyDeHT: no, it was a i810 one |
| 20:03.58 | cTyDeHT | takatumi: why ? |
| 20:04.22 | stockholm | takatumi: it worked just fine for me. really reliable, even. |
| 20:04.29 | cTyDeHT | stockholm: i810 have kernel support and should work fine, i6300 is only supported in -mm branch |
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| 20:04.46 | g0dDLL | Firelad you are a moron. Where are you? |
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| 20:04.57 | stockholm | cTyDeHT: i would blame the -mm kernel if you experience problems, not the watchdog |
| 20:05.01 | kamaraju | anyone knows where the hw_random module is located in the modconf screen? I want to disable loading of this module at boot time. |
| 20:05.04 | takatumi | stockholm: remember reading about a few bugs, don't remember where. |
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| 20:05.09 | stockholm | -mm is not really recommended for general consuption |
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| 20:05.43 | stockholm | kamaraju: have you tried editing /etc/modules? |
| 20:06.05 | cTyDeHT | stockholm: i've only took part of patch with this watchdog support. :-) |
| 20:06.13 | kamaraju | stockholm: I could do that. But I would really prefer modconf method if that is possible. |
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| 20:06.19 | uidzelro | hehe |
| 20:06.20 | JW | I have a 3.1 server that's won't let me log in with a ssh key: it asks for the password anyway. I set up the keys the way I always do on Linux servers - any ideas? |
| 20:06.26 | cTyDeHT | stockholm: and hope that other parts are not needed for this |
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| 20:06.42 | stockholm | cTyDeHT: most likely they are not. |
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| 20:07.02 | takatumi | kamaraju: grep the config for CONFIG_HW_RANDOM |
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| 20:07.42 | kamaraju | takatumi: could you explain a bit more clearly? |
| 20:07.55 | kamaraju | takatumi: how do I grep the config? |
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| 20:08.32 | Yokalosh | how would i set up debian to share my internet connection that i get on eth0 via the home network, to my windows 98 machine on eth1? |
| 20:08.35 | cTyDeHT | heh. have edited driver a bit... what if it will help |
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| 20:08.44 | kamaraju | takatumi: do you mean something like grep -i /boot/config-2.6.*? |
| 20:08.50 | cTyDeHT | obviously it didn't |
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| 20:09.14 | asuffield | JW: run ssh -v on the client and look for errors. if there aren't any, then they're on the server; run (as root) sshd -p 2222 -d, connect the client to it (on port 2222, not 22), and watch for the errors |
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| 20:09.43 | takatumi | kamaraju: yes, check if it is =m, find the module name, dump it in /etc/modules, done. |
| 20:09.47 | asuffield | ssh has a 'creative' approach to reporting authentication errors, which involves not reporting them |
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| 20:10.28 | Yokalosh | anyone? |
| 20:10.29 | kamaraju | takatumi: Yes. That is one way. I am looking for modconf way of doing it. Do you know where it is hidden in the modconf's hierarchy? |
| 20:10.39 | `Ku | Suchs this lunix has no sftp built in like FreeBSD or OpenBSD |
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| 20:11.12 | `Ku | I might as well install FreeBSD with Linux elums |
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| 20:11.30 | valdyn_ | !find bin/sftp |
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| 20:12.01 | odat | anyone had any success with serpentine? |
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| 20:12.08 | uidzelro | stockholm: one could have thought Debian maintainers and the people behind the things called "upstream" and whatnot stream didnt wanna get C/GTK+ administration applications for free By me... so i ask myself, Am i anywhere anyone with a brain! :=) |
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| 20:12.43 | green_earz | Yokalosh: you could use the debian box as a brigde. ? |
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| 20:12.46 | Clarissa | can i ask something? ^^ because i havent the real debian |
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| 20:12.54 | uidzelro | stockholm: and those took amny years to make... and perfect |
| 20:13.00 | uidzelro | many |
| 20:13.09 | stockholm | uidzelro: i dont get your point. |
| 20:13.20 | valdyn_ | Clarissa: just ask |
| 20:13.35 | Yokalosh | green_earz: how would i do that? |
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| 20:13.56 | Clarissa | okay i have a Debian Sid mod named Kanotix is that the same from the commands in use like Debian Sid normal? |
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| 20:14.00 | green_earz | Yokalosh: i just looking for some info |
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| 20:14.08 | uidzelro | stockholm: well, i made gproftpd, gdhcpd, gbindns etc etc etc... was that not good... what do you think ? |
| 20:14.10 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: apt-cache show firestarter |
| 20:14.14 | Yokalosh | thanks green_earz |
| 20:14.24 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: ^^ that is as simple as it gets. |
| 20:14.28 | asuffield | Clarissa: no, it's not. go to #kanotix |
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| 20:14.37 | Yokalosh | cheers valdyn, i'll take a look |
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| 20:15.02 | Clarissa | asuffield i was there but the people there....i dont know not really nice only a few are nice |
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| 20:15.14 | asuffield | Clarissa: get used to it |
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| 20:15.25 | uidzelro | stockholm: do you get it now ? |
| 20:15.32 | Yokalosh | valdyn_: thats confusing |
| 20:15.37 | valdyn_ | Clarissa: last i looked kanotix was probably based on sid, but quite different. |
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| 20:16.11 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.15 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: probably, however 'connection' sharing is something any firewall thing on linux can do, firestarter has a guy and is comparably simple to use. |
| 20:16.24 | uidzelro | stockholm: I logged on from where that server is but some loosers kicked me then (sorry fuckers but youll have to suffer) |
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| 20:16.26 | Clarissa | okay...um does debian sid include kaffeine and such? |
| 20:16.27 | valdyn_ | s/guy/GUI/ |
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| 20:16.45 | jordi | Clarissa: yes |
| 20:16.47 | stockholm | uidzelro: you wrote those? |
| 20:16.48 | zinx | Clarissa: if you have to ask, it doesn't matter, because you shouldn't be using sid anyway |
| 20:16.50 | valdyn_ | !info kaffeine |
| 20:16.53 | dpkg | kaffeine: (versatile media player for KDE 3), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1396 kB, Installed size: 3336 kB |
| 20:16.57 | valdyn_ | !tell Clarissa about search |
| 20:17.01 | takatumi | !d-i Clarissa |
| 20:17.02 | dpkg | Clarissa, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 20:17.19 | Yokalosh | valdyn_: cheers mate, i guess it is worth is :) |
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| 20:17.28 | Clarissa | oh thats good takatumi thanks :) |
| 20:17.35 | green_earz | Yokalosh: and check out shorewall |
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| 20:17.47 | Yokalosh | thanks green_earz |
| 20:17.49 | LordMyren | this is a really really dumb question |
| 20:17.51 | green_earz | np |
| 20:17.56 | uidzelro | stockholm: i get alot of thnaks etc though... im happy |
| 20:18.01 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: shorewall really does need basic tcp/ip knowledge. |
| 20:18.05 | LordMyren | but is there any way to have a wireless interface fetch a DHCP request from a wired interface? |
| 20:18.09 | LordMyren | if i've two interfaces |
| 20:18.14 | LordMyren | some sort of mad DHCP proxy system? |
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| 20:18.29 | JW | asuffield: thank you - it was bad perms on /home/<user>. Never seen that before. Thanks :) |
| 20:18.33 | LordMyren | with bridging it should work, i think? |
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| 20:18.44 | Blissex | LordMyren: thats totally ridiculous... |
| 20:18.46 | jethro | LordMyren: bridging would work, ,yes |
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| 20:18.55 | LordMyren | it is totally mad |
| 20:19.10 | valdyn_ | LordMyren: nothing special is required for that.. |
| 20:19.12 | Blissex | LordMyren: because the DHCP server identifies the interface to configure from its Ethernet address... |
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| 20:19.14 | uidzelro | stockholm: i have done most on the admin front for linux since ever.... |
| 20:19.18 | Clarissa | okay i want to use the real debian what should i download for? |
| 20:19.19 | tag | is there some way to watch another terminal? |
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| 20:19.31 | LordMyren | valdyn_: beyond bridging |
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| 20:19.54 | Clarissa | the debian version that is stable i want to try and use what should i choose? |
| 20:20.00 | LordMyren | there's some way to filter the bridge device |
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| 20:20.07 | LordMyren | i'm going to ahve to look into that |
| 20:20.13 | Blissex | LordMyren: so if you have 'wlan0' and 'eth0', and you send a DHCP request from 'eth0' the DHCP server would see 'eth0's Ethernet address and serve the config for 'eth0'. |
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| 20:20.14 | valdyn_ | LordMyren: nope, not even bridging |
| 20:20.17 | LordMyren | so its only passing within subnet |
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| 20:20.48 | LordMyren | Blissex: i thought dhclient bound itself to the wlan0 interface |
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| 20:20.55 | uidzelro | stockholm: And then these little kungfu noobs kicks me for no reason... its not as if i care but when i talk to devs im more or less filled with admiration |
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| 20:21.05 | Blissex | LordMyren: however, there are do called ''DHCP reflectors'' which can pass DHCp requests between two subnets. |
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| 20:21.28 | Blissex | LordMyren: sure, it binds itself to the 'wlan0', but you want it to ask a server on 'eth0'. |
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| 20:21.37 | LordMyren | exactly |
| 20:21.41 | green_earz | Clarissa; if you are getting to know what debian about stay with stable sarge |
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| 20:22.04 | uidzelro | And then some have a fjukin modem, hehe sorry there kiddixen |
| 20:22.05 | Clarissa | i have a amd xp i686 machine with 1gig ram and 120gb hdd what for a version should i load green_earz? |
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| 20:22.33 | Blissex | Clarissa: thats pretty huge machine, anything will run. |
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| 20:22.41 | Clarissa | and the debian on xbox is cool :) nice work :D |
| 20:22.51 | LordMyren | Blissex: do you know if dhclient can do that... i'm manning through now of course |
| 20:23.09 | Yokalosh | how do enable a network from terminal? if i do it from gui it just freezes |
| 20:23.17 | Yokalosh | *network connection |
| 20:23.31 | Blissex | LordMyren: as I was trying to explain, if it does that it is stupid because DHCP requests are identified by the Ethernet address of the originating interface. |
| 20:23.34 | stockholm | uidzelro: could you imagine why they did that? |
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| 20:24.05 | uidzelro | stockholm: i deal with lowtechs ? |
| 20:24.13 | kamaraju | Clarissa: If you are having tough time deciding between stable/testing/unstable then have a look at http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/debian_choosing_distribution.html |
| 20:24.13 | LordMyren | oh. i see the conundrum |
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| 20:24.30 | Clarissa | um i'll get confused help me please :( on the debian sarge site under full cd versions i see many like alpha arm hppa i386 etc. but whats for my machine? |
| 20:24.30 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: you might want to be more specific, the 'network' is enabled already. Some network interfaces might not be enabled right now, 'ifup eth0' brings up eth0 |
| 20:24.35 | green_earz | Clarissa; if you can download with bittorent for best results. when you boot the debian cd tpye "linux26" so that you will install the 2.6 from the start of a install. when you get use to apt-get install the kernel image for the 686 |
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| 20:25.12 | t0ffel | what does 'make-kpkg kernel-image modules' do that requires root access? I made a subdir in ~/, and permissions are correct. |
| 20:25.13 | LordMyren | Blissex: thanks for bearing with me, i'll look into some dhcp-relay solutions |
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| 20:25.22 | Clarissa | green_earz yes but what should i klick for download now there on the page? |
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| 20:25.27 | uidzelro | stockholm: The Alumni are some of the brightest people on this planet... im just liking my drunken stage atm, that and chicks ;) |
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| 20:25.40 | Blissex | LordMyren: DHCP3 should have a DHCP relayer... |
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| 20:26.01 | Clarissa | i am sorry but at 4 weeks i cant administrate linux good :| |
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| 20:26.19 | valdyn_ | !sarge |
| 20:26.19 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 20:26.27 | green_earz | Clarissa; bookmark the link, its a very handy debian doc, "Debian Reference" > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html the net installer its about 110 meg |
| 20:26.30 | valdyn_ | Clarissa: read ^^^ |
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| 20:26.36 | Blissex | LordMyren: or just 'apt-cache search dhcp relay' for all of them |
| 20:26.41 | LordMyren | Blissex: check check, thanks. |
| 20:26.52 | LordMyren | i might end up just bridigng the damned thing |
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| 20:27.10 | Blissex | LordMyren: bridging is always a bit distasteful... |
| 20:27.20 | LordMyren | yeah, especially bridigng to wireless |
| 20:27.37 | Blissex | LordMyren: the reason why DHCP is subnet local is to prevent ''broadcast storms'' on bridged networks... |
| 20:27.38 | LordMyren | i'm actually thinking maybe something heinous like IPIP |
| 20:28.06 | Blissex | LordMyren: yes, bridging between wireless and wired also is distasteful as they dont have the same frame format. |
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| 20:28.11 | Clarissa | green_earz bookmark i cant because after format and install debian all goes deleted ^^ |
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| 20:28.22 | LordMyren | Blissex: one more good reason that I did not know about |
| 20:28.26 | uidzelro | stockholm: hows your town atm ? / weve got alot of knifecutting Foreigners? cutting great lookin chicks with knifes..... not too much if you wanna go a girl huntin cause they aint gonna be there you know :( |
| 20:28.28 | Blissex | LordMyren: but a DHCP relay is a perfectly nice idea. (well, mostly). |
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| 20:28.37 | LordMyren | How does the braodcast storm work? bridging shouldnt have cycles |
| 20:28.39 | green_earz | Clarissa; do you have bittorent installed ? |
| 20:28.47 | Yokalosh | hey valdyn_ i cant seem to network my debian box with my win 98 machine |
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| 20:28.51 | Clarissa | um azureus on linux yes :/ |
| 20:28.53 | takatumi | kamaraju: drivers/char/ |
| 20:28.55 | Yokalosh | you couldnt give me a pm could you? |
| 20:28.59 | Clarissa | azureus is installed i believe |
| 20:29.13 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: trust me its better to get support in here than in pm |
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| 20:29.29 | kamaraju | takatumi: thanks. |
| 20:29.34 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: what specifically is not working? |
| 20:29.35 | takatumi | kamaraju: module name 'hw_random'. |
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| 20:29.53 | Blissex | Yokalosh: consider reading http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4 on how to ask for help in IRC channels |
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| 20:30.03 | kamaraju | takatumi: Yes. That's the thing. |
| 20:30.17 | uidzelro | stockholm: Father Ted Sais "Feck gimmeh the Booze" :=) / im thinkin, perhaps.. just perhaps he might be right |
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| 20:30.21 | Clarissa | omg now i understand why all say dont try sid xD |
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| 20:30.32 | Clarissa | sid = unstable right? |
| 20:30.42 | Blissex | Clarissa: Sarge is new enough that it is still good. |
| 20:30.45 | stockholm | uidzelro: are you drunken? (c: |
| 20:30.50 | uidzelro | is gay 86.59.5.130 |
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| 20:31.00 | Clarissa | okay blissex ^^ |
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| 20:31.15 | Yokalosh | valdyn_: i just have a total mental block on how i would go about networking the debian machine with the windows 98 one, i need to be able to connect to the debian machine via a cross over cable and use its internet connection |
| 20:31.18 | green_earz | Clarissa: track down "bittornado" reason being that you will get a error free copy. with the http method you could get a error cd |
| 20:31.21 | uidzelro | hell yeah.. but im still the king of the net |
| 20:31.22 | Blissex | Clarissa: it is not so much that testing and unstable are unstable, but that they are bound to have moments of inconsistency. |
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| 20:31.46 | Blissex | Clarissa: and such states of inconsistency are particularly likely at the beginning of a release cycle. |
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| 20:31.57 | Clarissa | yes i understand ^^ |
| 20:32.05 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: which interface on linux is wired to your windows box, what did you do on your windows box to setup networking? |
| 20:32.06 | uidzelro | stockholm: kidding though, i dont know Exactly everything new every day at every second it pops up |
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| 20:32.14 | LordMyren | if a system has multiple interfaces, should there be a /etc/hosts entry for each interface? can it be identical (aside from the IP)? |
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| 20:32.19 | uidzelro | Whoos weasel ? |
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| 20:32.33 | green_earz | Clarissa: then > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-cd/ > debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso.torrent for the net installer |
| 20:32.36 | tgwj | I just filed my second debian bug today. |
| 20:32.37 | takatumi | LordMyren: trying to bond? |
| 20:32.45 | Yokalosh | valdyn_: eth1 is plugged into the windows box and eth0 has the internet connection |
| 20:32.48 | LordMyren | no, nothign that fancy |
| 20:32.51 | Blissex | LordMyren: ideally you would have an entry for each interface, and each would have a different name, but they could also have the same name. |
| 20:32.51 | dupondje | hi guys, my linux box blocks @ LIL, and then it stops, how can i fix this ? |
| 20:32.54 | LordMyren | just setting up a gateway |
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| 20:33.00 | Clarissa | green_earz must it be a netinstaller cant i get a complete cd? |
| 20:33.01 | Blissex | LordMyren: but you can have _both_. |
| 20:33.07 | uidzelro | He is taking a targeting im told he is also tagged |
| 20:33.20 | LordMyren | yeah, it'll probably be a 3-fer |
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| 20:33.28 | uidzelro | Reinstall your operating system! |
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| 20:33.47 | green_earz | Clarissa: if you are on dsl broadband go for the net installer, it will install the base and the rest is installed over the net |
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| 20:33.51 | uidzelro | And Please dont fuck with Magnus-swe (Plz Kthnx) |
| 20:34.08 | Yokalosh | valdyn_: my windows 98 box is trying to connect to workgroup: linux and its name is windows |
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| 20:34.10 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: try running 'ethtool eth1' to see if wires are ok. |
| 20:34.13 | Clarissa | i have dsl 6000 how long does it take then? |
| 20:34.19 | LordMyren | my word; sorry about all this: what about giving a dhcp address a hostname? |
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| 20:34.40 | LordMyren | not ddns, just for taht one machine |
| 20:34.50 | LordMyren | more particularly, giving an interface a hostname |
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| 20:35.11 | Yokalosh | valdyn_: i get command not found |
| 20:35.26 | Yokalosh | just getting eth-tool |
| 20:35.31 | dupondje | hi guys, my linux box blocks @ LIL, and then it stops, how can i fix this ? the only way is to run from livedistro ?? :s |
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| 20:35.38 | uidzelro | LordMyren: for what purpose do you need to do this ? |
| 20:36.04 | Clarissa | okay now the most important question i have a router named fritzbox and i have internet over usb can i use the debian sarge network install cd over usb internet ? or what must i choose for this? |
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| 20:36.07 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: no idea what eth-tool is, 'apt-get install ethtool' |
| 20:36.15 | kamaraju | dupondje: which distribution? |
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| 20:36.23 | Yokalosh | sorry thats what i meant |
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| 20:36.25 | dupondje | debian sarge |
| 20:36.28 | valdyn_ | !find bin/mii-tool |
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| 20:36.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/mii-tool' (1): (/sbin/mii-tool) in net/net-tools. |
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| 20:36.43 | green_earz | Clarissa: the net insaller is about 110 meg. a net install will be quicker than downloading cd 1 cd 2 cd 3 |
| 20:36.44 | Yokalosh | Settings for eth1:No data available |
| 20:36.54 | LordMyren | uidzelro: i'd like a hostname for the port going to the actual internet conection |
| 20:36.54 | uidzelro | aldyn_ !find bin/mii-tool :Duh!: |
| 20:37.03 | LordMyren | which happens to be dhcp |
| 20:37.06 | kamaraju | dupondje: Does keyboard work? or is it also not responding? |
| 20:37.10 | Clarissa | yes green_earz but my internet connection is over usb cable not over lan cable |
| 20:37.13 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: try 'mii-tool eth1' |
| 20:37.13 | dupondje | it works yea |
| 20:37.17 | uidzelro | LordMyren: why ? |
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| 20:37.22 | dupondje | it just blocks @ LIL ... :s |
| 20:37.24 | uidzelro | LordMyren: A hostname ? |
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| 20:37.33 | Clarissa | must i try something like "modprobe usbnet" or such? |
| 20:37.37 | kamaraju | dupondje: I suppose you are using lilo instead of grub? |
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| 20:37.40 | takatumi | you want a hostname for the port? what about the host? |
| 20:37.43 | dupondje | yea |
| 20:37.45 | jobli | ok |
| 20:37.49 | Yokalosh | eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
| 20:37.50 | Yokalosh | :) |
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| 20:38.03 | dupondje | upgraded from debian woody, no fresh sarge install |
| 20:38.06 | Clarissa | okay the debian network installer cd is downloaded :x |
| 20:38.06 | LordMyren | erm, i meant the host |
| 20:38.10 | uidzelro | kebab :) |
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| 20:38.15 | Clarissa | now burn ^-^ |
| 20:38.20 | kamaraju | dupondje: One option is to use a live cd and remount / and then do lilo. |
| 20:38.30 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: great, so cabling is ok. Did you setup an IP adress for that interface? |
| 20:38.35 | kamaraju | dupondje: lilo has to be run to upgrade the MBR. |
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| 20:38.41 | Clarissa | i hate mods x.x i stay now at the real debian never use mods in future :| |
| 20:38.43 | uidzelro | Clarissa: hello boyfriend, are you as hot as i am :=) |
| 20:38.43 | takatumi | dupondje: or try grub. |
| 20:38.47 | uidzelro | hehe |
| 20:38.52 | LordMyren | is it redundant to specify a domainless alias for a domain name, ex: www.xx.yy.zz myhost.mydomain.com myhost |
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| 20:39.06 | green_earz | Clarissa: sorry i am not formiluar with usb setup. just use ethe here |
| 20:39.15 | Clarissa | uidzelro about what do you talk? |
| 20:39.19 | dupondje | takatumi: but i only can install grub when its working again right ? :d |
| 20:39.27 | Yokalosh | valdyn_: they are set to automatic |
| 20:39.41 | hikenboot | hello all just a question i went to #hardware and got nowhere getting info on clocking and voltage settings for my cpu anyone know where i can get this info? My debian system is never working right and i have determined this is the problem with it |
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| 20:39.46 | uidzelro | Clarissa: I heard you Wanted to Smooch the LolloixRoflPoppetehPop ? |
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| 20:39.53 | Clarissa | green_earz lan cable i cant use my brother use it allready |
| 20:39.56 | takatumi | dupondje: liveCD will do, mount, chroot, grub-install. |
| 20:40.04 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: ok, that wont work, dont use automatic on that interface, read the FAQ ( as in the topic ), and set /etc/network/interfaces accordingly. |
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| 20:40.19 | uidzelro | Clarissa: So, You did, didnt you ? / smoke the salmon! :=) |
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| 20:40.33 | Clarissa | uidzelro you disturb me x.x |
| 20:40.55 | uidzelro | Fagtittx... greetings! :=) .. fun as always |
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| 20:41.04 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: or try using 'etherconf' ( apt-get install etherconf ) |
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| 20:41.21 | Yokalosh | thanks valdyn_ |
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| 20:41.58 | furrywolf_ | is there any way to loop mount a gzip'ed image without first decompressing it? the image is of a partition quite a bit larger than I have space to decompress on my computer. :) |
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| 20:42.15 | ma3x | is it possible to build network connection between xp and debian? |
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| 20:42.45 | valdyn_ | ma3x: why not? |
| 20:42.46 | furrywolf_ | ma3x: of course, but more details as to what you mean would be useful. ethernet is easy, just plug the cable in... |
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| 20:43.07 | takatumi | furrywolf_: in the event that you do manage to get the gzip'd image mounted, what after that? |
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| 20:43.08 | ma3x | furrywolf_, when i plugin the cable, how do i start the connection, should i mount the other hard drive or how? |
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| 20:43.17 | uidzelro | I suddenly got a crawing for Italys excellent BreadSticks... cannot live wothout them |
| 20:43.29 | furrywolf_ | takatumi: want to copy some files off it. |
| 20:43.35 | uidzelro | Wheres weasel BTW ? |
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| 20:43.40 | Clarissa | is the net installer debian version a only terminal version? |
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| 20:43.46 | uidzelro | He yapped alot |
| 20:43.47 | valdyn_ | !faq ma3x |
| 20:43.48 | dpkg | ma3x: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:43.53 | furrywolf_ | ma3x: are you talking about how to use windows file sharing, not how to set up a network? |
| 20:44.05 | travisat | Clarissa: ncurses last time I checked |
| 20:44.06 | tag | takatumi: funny, you look kind of like a japanese dish. |
| 20:44.06 | Ronin | Clarissa: yes and no, its not totally terminal but not as gui as say mandrivas |
| 20:44.07 | Caelum | is there a command to run another command for X seconds then send it a SIGINT? |
| 20:44.08 | valdyn_ | Clarissa: not at all, but debian does not by itself install X |
| 20:44.25 | Clarissa | i need kde ^^" |
| 20:44.26 | furrywolf_ | takatumi: it's a 1gb gzipped file containing a 20gb image of a ntfs partition. :) |
| 20:44.30 | Clarissa | is this inside the kde? |
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| 20:44.41 | takatumi | tag: no, I'm a psychedelic fish. |
| 20:44.42 | Ronin | Clarissa: and you can install that once debian itself is installed very easily |
| 20:44.50 | poncho | Hello.! |
| 20:44.55 | valdyn_ | Clarissa: '/msg dpkg setup x', 'apt-get install kde' |
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| 20:45.12 | Clarissa | waah o.o i think i need something to write xD |
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| 20:45.33 | ma3x | furrywolf_, I just want to transfer file from debian to windows machine via network |
| 20:45.53 | takatumi | ma3x: no carrier pigeons around? |
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| 20:45.58 | travisat | Clarissa: just install the desktop at the taskselect screen. should install either or both gnome and kde |
| 20:45.58 | Yokalosh | valdyn_: what do i set for the ip address? |
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| 20:46.03 | ma3x | takatumi, i dont know what that is |
| 20:46.06 | sepski | ma3x, the very easiest is to use pscp (google for putty) on windows, just like scp |
| 20:46.09 | Yokalosh | 192.168.1....? |
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| 20:46.12 | furrywolf_ | ma3x: putty with scp will work well if you don't need to directly mount the drive. |
| 20:46.14 | Clarissa | okay |
| 20:46.15 | valdyn_ | is there a really basic networking faq? |
| 20:46.20 | green_earz | ma3x: put proftpd on debian and ftp from xp |
| 20:46.25 | Yokalosh | lol valdyn |
| 20:46.26 | Yokalosh | lol |
| 20:46.33 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: 192.168.1.1 for example, choice is yours |
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| 20:46.45 | Clarissa | i delete my cd-rw :) in a few seconds i burn the net installer ^^ |
| 20:46.47 | ma3x | green_earz, okay thanks |
| 20:46.53 | green_earz | np |
| 20:46.54 | ma3x | so no need for pscp? |
| 20:47.00 | Clarissa | does somebody know how to setup usb internet over dhcp ? |
| 20:47.01 | blkrose | Hello, I have a stupid question.. where does devian put packages I install? I mean, I just installed a program, but now I don't know how to run it |
| 20:47.07 | SerajewelKS | !info xserver-xorg sid |
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| 20:47.14 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 5563 kB, Installed size: 15696 kB |
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| 20:47.32 | tarzeau | blkrose: dpkg -L package | grep bin |
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| 20:47.40 | blkrose | Thanks! |
| 20:47.50 | takatumi | hmm, time to upgrade. |
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| 20:47.52 | LordMyren | are there any starting palces for making init scripts to conform to the start-stop-daemon spec's? |
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| 20:47.56 | green_earz | ma3x: just set debian up as a ftp server with proftpd. and just ftp the file off and on |
| 20:47.58 | LordMyren | any frameworks for examlpe |
| 20:48.06 | tarzeau | LordMyren: look at existing packages, apt-get source whatever |
| 20:48.13 | tarzeau | LordMyren: or use dh-make |
| 20:48.17 | ma3x | thanks green_earz |
| 20:48.33 | Clarissa | um how to burn the debian image on a cd ? ^^" |
| 20:48.34 | LordMyren | ma3x: if its just a few files here + there pscp is often rediculously super-convenient |
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| 20:48.45 | green_earz | ma3x: apt-cache show proftpd |
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| 20:48.54 | ma3x | green_earz, should i configure proftpd or it has good defualt? |
| 20:48.56 | takatumi | Clarissa: what burners do you have? |
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| 20:49.00 | valdyn_ | Clarissa: 'cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc file.iso' |
| 20:49.02 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.02 | ma3x | ? |
| 20:49.08 | Clarissa | uuum a dvd-rw burner |
| 20:49.16 | Clarissa | thanks valdyn_ |
| 20:49.27 | poncho | !defualt |
| 20:49.27 | ma3x | okay thanks guys |
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| 20:49.41 | valdyn_ | !default |
| 20:49.42 | dpkg | If in you don't know any better, always choose the default. |
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| 20:50.40 | tarzeau | ma3x: i'd go for standalone |
| 20:50.40 | green_earz | ma3x: standalone then it up all the time |
| 20:50.41 | blkrose | tarzeau: That said It's not installed.. but I KNOW it is (it shows up in my synaptic list as installed and I just installed it |
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| 20:50.41 | ma3x | where is the users file? |
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| 20:50.42 | FieldySnuts | ~vague |
| 20:50.45 | apt | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 20:50.46 | valdyn_ | blkrose: what is installed? |
| 20:50.46 | FieldySnuts | ~vagueness |
| 20:50.47 | ma3x | /etc/ftpusers? |
| 20:50.47 | FieldySnuts | fine. |
| 20:50.47 | Yokalosh | valdyn_: right i'm past that now |
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| 20:51.04 | takatumi | !comfort FieldySnuts |
| 20:51.05 | dpkg | There, there, FieldySnuts. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:51.05 | green_earz | ma3x: the /home/user-name |
| 20:51.06 | blkrose | it's called dungeonmaker |
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| 20:51.18 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: now you need to set up your windows box too |
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| 20:51.30 | ma3x | green_earz, okay thanks |
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| 20:51.38 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: which i cant directly help you with, just chose an IP in the same segment, and not the same one |
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| 20:51.46 | takatumi | tarzeau: bubbles? |
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| 20:52.03 | justnulli | any cacti users here? |
| 20:52.07 | tarzeau | takatumi: na way too tired. i should go sleep any moment. i've been playing nethack for 3 days (not a single death!) |
| 20:52.16 | blkrose | I did dpkg -i dungeonmapper_1.1-0.1z.deb to install it.. and it seemed to work, but I don't know how to execute it now |
| 20:52.20 | green_earz | ma3x: when installed from xp just login with a ftp client . with a user-name and password . of user on the debian box |
| 20:52.23 | takatumi | tarzeau: you are nuts dude. stop! |
| 20:52.27 | tarzeau | takatumi: i'm like AC:-19 and in the castle, with not having done the quest yet but id' most items |
| 20:52.36 | tarzeau | takatumi: you ever play nethack? |
| 20:52.36 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: oh, nvm, leave windows on auto and install |
| 20:52.53 | tarzeau | takatumi: or tried xrick yet? |
| 20:52.54 | Aurorax | takatumi: hello tekanamixi! |
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| 20:53.11 | Aurorax | takatumi: hows the tec ? |
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| 20:53.14 | valdyn_ | Yokalosh: you could install 'dnsmask' |
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| 20:53.30 | SerajewelKS | what is the proper way to modify an alternative (deviation?) |
| 20:53.32 | takatumi | tarzeau: just not into games much, bubbles is kinda light tho. |
| 20:53.38 | Aurorax | valdyn_: checked gbindns for the dude ?? |
| 20:53.51 | Aurorax | valdyn_: could rock even |
| 20:53.53 | valdyn_ | Aurorax: no idea about it |
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| 20:53.54 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: update-alternatives |
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| 20:54.05 | theD3viL | What i must install to install deskjet 5150? I already installed cupsconfig. |
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| 20:54.16 | theD3viL | What i must install to install deskjet 5150? I already installed printconf!! |
| 20:54.18 | valdyn_ | Aurorax: err, wth is gbindns? |
| 20:54.27 | poncho | !repeat |
| 20:54.27 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:54.28 | Aurorax | valdyn_: no, because i just made it.. let him check it |
| 20:54.28 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau, thanks |
| 20:54.44 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: here's how i do it: update-alternatives --list x-terminal-emulator | nl | grep /uxterm | awk '{print $1}' | update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator |
| 20:54.49 | bitlogic | is there any good debian howto for raid using mdadm? |
| 20:54.59 | Aurorax | valdyn_: http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/gbindns/gbindns-0.0.7.tar.gz |
| 20:55.17 | asuffield | bitlogic: if you have to ask, use evms |
| 20:55.23 | takatumi | tarzeau: what if I wanted to add a local package to the list as well? |
| 20:55.36 | valdyn_ | Aurorax: dnsmasq is just fine, not gonna recommend unknown stuff that is not in debian to people, but i might have a look myself |
| 20:55.40 | tarzeau | takatumi: alternatives? look at one that does so... |
| 20:55.46 | takatumi | Aurorax: tec? |
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| 20:55.50 | tarzeau | !seen sgeiger |
| 20:55.51 | dpkg | sgeiger <~sgeiger@67.141.100.156> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 173d 23h 57m 52s ago, saying: '!+jigdo'. |
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| 20:55.54 | Aurorax | valdyn_: devel is far ahead but I bet this is working flawlessly ;) |
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| 20:55.59 | bitlogic | asuffield, sorry I don't know what you mean |
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| 20:56.22 | takatumi | tarzeau: for eg. to add opera to x-www-browser? |
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| 20:56.44 | takatumi | tarzeau: don't GNUBLAST me now. |
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| 20:56.50 | tarzeau | takatumi: yuck! |
| 20:56.51 | blkrose | Can anyone help me out here.. I did dpkg -i dungeonmapper_1.1-0.1z.deb to install a program called Dungeonmapper.. and it seemed to work (It shows up as installed in synaptic), but I don't know how to execute/run it now |
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| 20:57.01 | Aurorax | takatumi: No, but work on that goodness and.. as you know |
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| 20:57.04 | tarzeau | takatumi: tell me you're kidding, or absolutely drunk |
| 20:57.31 | Aurorax | tarzeau: Or youre acting weird ? |
| 20:57.34 | Aurorax | ;) |
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| 20:58.00 | tarzeau | Aurorax: nah, i just find most browser suck way too much |
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| 20:58.46 | Aurorax | tarzeau: im with you there, the Germans are onto something with dillo... but i LOATHE CACHE too |
| 20:59.03 | blkrose | oh well, seems everyone is busy or doesn't know.. thanks anyway! |
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| 20:59.07 | Aurorax | tarzeau: Time to make a browser for the people maybe ? |
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| 20:59.09 | tarzeau | Aurorax: actually i like dillo |
| 20:59.12 | Coolinger | debian.de |
| 20:59.16 | valdyn_ | Aurorax: neat, but its overkill for him, b/c apt-get install dnsmasq should do everything he needs already. ( no further setup ) |
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| 20:59.27 | Aurorax | tarzeau: the caching server is uncool |
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| 20:59.37 | tarzeau | Aurorax: there's some i like: safari, shiira and omniweb. i'm waiting for one based on gnustep |
| 20:59.51 | tarzeau | Aurorax: i don't care, you mean for pictures? yeah it's annoying |
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| 20:59.55 | kamaraju | I have the following errors in my /var/log/boot. modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting hw_random (/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686-smp/kernel/drivers/char/hw_random.ko): No such device hw_random: can't be loaded . How can I get rid of them? From modconf program I found that hw_random is not loaded. I tried to load it using the modconf program but it failed and could not be loaded. So how can I get rid of these hw_random errors during the boot proce |
| 21:00.01 | Mage__ | anyone know the website where I can find all those little squared icons ? (like on http://jimmac.musichall.cz/ on the left) ? |
| 21:00.06 | tarzeau | Aurorax: tried links2 -g ? that's what i use most of the time, for now |
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| 21:00.30 | takatumi | tarzeau: http://gpoppy.org/2005-09-02-235851_1024x768_scrot.png works much better than firefox, galeon, epiphany, mozilla etc. |
| 21:00.30 | rjarlote | hi again, need help underestandig ndiswrapper error: http://pastebin.com/353134 |
| 21:00.31 | Aurorax | tarzeau: C/C++ or assembly is what youre looking for .. Discard everything else |
| 21:00.33 | bitlogic | asuffield, thanks |
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| 21:00.34 | valdyn_ | kamaraju: grep random /etc/modules |
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| 21:01.00 | Aurorax | tarzeau: i dont play GOLF /that often :=) |
| 21:01.03 | Coolinger | Hi! Can anybody please tell me how to configure postfix that emails to user@domain.tld is delivered (via lmtp) to the cyrus-mailbox of user@domain.tld and not to the cyrus-mailbox of user? (debian sarge, postfix, cyrus21 configuration) |
| 21:01.03 | takatumi | tarzeau: lesser memomy and cpuload etc. |
| 21:01.12 | kamaraju | valdyn_: I did that and there is no output. |
| 21:01.18 | takatumi | s/my/ry |
| 21:01.20 | bitlogic | the problem is, using mdadm I have created and array, but I could do it for boot |
| 21:01.23 | Aurorax | valdyn_: come up with something better then.... |
| 21:01.28 | tarzeau | takatumi: gpoppy? where can i find that browser? |
| 21:01.57 | Aurorax | tarzeau: google or be no more ;) |
| 21:02.08 | tarzeau | Aurorax: c is fine, assembly no thanks, c++ no thanks. objective-c is fine for me too |
| 21:02.09 | bitlogic | Ii doesn't recognise the autdetection I have putted on each partition |
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| 21:02.25 | takatumi | tarzeau: gpoppy is not a browser. opera is. |
| 21:02.39 | valdyn_ | Aurorax: why? he doesnt need 'better', he needs 'as simple as possible' |
| 21:02.53 | bitlogic | I alread made another initrd and put some modules inside, like md and raid1 but isn't enough |
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| 21:03.21 | bitlogic | what I really needed to know Is the exact sequence of the kernel boot |
| 21:03.22 | rjarlote | ndiswrapper erro: http://pastebin.com/353134 any idea, thanks ;-) |
| 21:03.23 | tarzeau | takatumi: oh i don't want opera. i'd rather have something like http://www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/theinternet.jpg |
| 21:03.23 | takatumi | tarzeau: they had this free regkey for the 10yr party, so tried it, there is a lot of improvement required for firefox. |
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| 21:03.27 | Aurorax | valdyn_: youre missing the point dude |
| 21:03.33 | albercomp | why would my nic show up under root but not user? |
| 21:03.39 | valdyn_ | Aurorax: probably yea |
| 21:04.04 | albercomp | it's on a laptop |
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| 21:04.05 | takatumi | tarzeau: yeah, that'll do any day. ;) |
| 21:04.06 | tarzeau | albercomp: you type /sbin/ifconfig ? |
| 21:04.09 | abrotman | albercomp: show up? |
| 21:04.11 | albercomp | so PCMCIA |
| 21:04.15 | tarzeau | albercomp: /sbin not in your user $PATH |
| 21:04.25 | Aurorax | tarzeau: objective... i make my own objects.. please describe this "object" if you please :P |
| 21:04.26 | poncho | Setting up MIDI it is a little complicated ... |
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| 21:05.05 | LightVision | when I run Sarge using kernel 2.4 I have normal sound working, but when I load running kernel 2.6, I have no sound! How can I fix this please? do I run alsaconf? |
| 21:05.05 | tarzeau | Aurorax: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-C http://www.toodarkpark.org/computers/objc/ |
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| 21:05.21 | nick23 | I have an external Hard drive that I would like to use between my Debian box, OS X laptop and Windows box - how should I format it? It's 250Gb so I don't think Fat32 would work. |
| 21:05.22 | tarzeau | Aurorax: and http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/langs.txt |
| 21:05.31 | albercomp | not sure what you mean |
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| 21:05.45 | valdyn_ | nick23: use fat32 |
| 21:05.47 | tarzeau | nick23: yes fat32 is fine |
| 21:05.55 | tarzeau | nick23: you just can't create that on windows |
| 21:05.57 | LightVision | tarzeau: any ideas pls? |
| 21:06.02 | nick23 | fat32 is good for 250gb on it? |
| 21:06.09 | digijohn | Hello. I'm trying to resize a .avi file so it will fit on a cd. What program should I use? |
| 21:06.13 | tarzeau | LightVision: don't use 2.6 |
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| 21:06.17 | tarzeau | nick23: yes |
| 21:06.22 | uidzelro | tarzeau: ill read it later... instead you might wanna see pure C or C/GTK+ ? |
| 21:06.23 | nick23 | thanks guys :) |
| 21:06.24 | albercomp | I've run ifconfig, and it gives me most of the info unless i try to run /all for some reason under user account it won't load the PCMCIA card |
| 21:06.26 | tarzeau | nick23: well, i wouldn't call it good, but it'll work |
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| 21:06.32 | tarzeau | nick23: you can also make partitions if you want |
| 21:06.32 | nick23 | can OS X read linux partitions? |
| 21:06.35 | tarzeau | nick23: no |
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| 21:06.38 | albercomp | but it will under root |
| 21:06.42 | LightVision | tarzeau: why not? im running kernel 2.6 now and everything works great, but no sound! why not use 2.6? |
| 21:06.43 | takatumi | tarzeau: how big is linuks.mine.nu? |
| 21:06.43 | abrotman | LightVision: if you're using alsa .. maybe ask #alsa ? |
| 21:06.45 | valdyn_ | digijohn: avidemux |
| 21:06.51 | tarzeau | nick23: partitions are not specific to linux or something |
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| 21:07.02 | tarzeau | LightVision: because you can't get your sound working with 2.6 |
| 21:07.11 | tarzeau | takatumi: fits on a cheap cd |
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| 21:07.21 | nick23 | tarzeau: right, I know...but I just want to use it for backup/restore, etc. So partitions would be too much hassle. I just wanna be able to dump stuff on there, etc |
| 21:07.27 | LightVision | tarzeau: yes but is there a way to get sound in 2,.6, because sound works in 2,4? |
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| 21:07.35 | asuffield | there is in fact no such thing as a linux partition. linux supports many partition table types, all of them taken from other things |
| 21:07.37 | uidzelro | tarzeau: some C/GTK+ -> http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/gbindns/gbindns-0.0.7.tar.gz some pure C -> http://pkgspider.dynalias.org/distfiles/base/pkgspider-0.3.5.tar.gz |
| 21:07.38 | tarzeau | LightVision: works fine for me. no idea what you do wrong |
| 21:07.39 | digijohn | valdyn_: Is that part of any debian package? |
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| 21:07.48 | valdyn_ | !marillat |
| 21:07.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 21:07.53 | valdyn_ | digijohn: ^^ |
| 21:08.02 | lakcaj | LightVision, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-oss && alsaconf && alsamixer |
| 21:08.03 | LightVision | tarzeau: i didnt do anything "wrong"! I just installed kernel 2.6 and there was no sound |
| 21:08.05 | tarzeau | uidzelro: i dislike gtk+ alot |
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| 21:08.13 | LightVision | lakcaj: ok thanks |
| 21:08.15 | LightVision | brb |
| 21:08.15 | tarzeau | LightVision: what soundcard? alsa or no alsa? |
| 21:08.22 | albercomp | is there anyhing in KDE that will let me configure my PCcard NIC from user account? |
| 21:08.33 | uidzelro | tarzeau: thats why you got 2 to choose from ;) |
| 21:08.37 | tarzeau | albercomp: i don't think so. but #debian-kde |
| 21:08.39 | takatumi | tarzeau: you should try realplayer10 from marillat as well, that works fine as well. :P |
| 21:08.40 | lakcaj | albercomp, #debian-kde |
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| 21:08.42 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 21:08.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf |
| 21:08.42 | albercomp | thanks |
| 21:08.47 | tarzeau | uidzelro: what a nightmare |
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| 21:09.11 | tarzeau | uidzelro: i don't like either, really. i was fine with 1.x but font support was a mess |
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| 21:09.31 | lakcaj | abrotman, could/should alsa-oss be added to that factoid? |
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| 21:09.40 | uidzelro | dpkg extra, extra, read all about it, marillat: id say it doesnt hurt... if it would then jump upn down ;) |
| 21:09.42 | abrotman | lakcaj: only if you want alsa-oss stuff .. not everyone does |
| 21:09.43 | takatumi | abrotman: hit 'ESC' to save and exit should be added to that factoid too. |
| 21:09.45 | valdyn_ | lakcaj: no |
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| 21:09.51 | abrotman | takatumi: go for it! |
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| 21:10.04 | valdyn_ | lakcaj: alsa-oss just provides aoss, which is ( imo ) useless |
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| 21:10.06 | takatumi | abrotman: low bot-fu. |
| 21:10.09 | abrotman | hrm .. that reminds me .. |
| 21:10.17 | abrotman | takatumi: blah is also yada ? |
| 21:10.20 | uidzelro | tarzeau: check the beautiful code perhaps-.... ? |
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| 21:10.31 | uidzelro | tarzeau: The C is awesome |
| 21:10.32 | tarzeau | uidzelro: beautiful eh? |
| 21:10.34 | takatumi | abrotman: yada yada. |
| 21:10.45 | tarzeau | uidzelro: thank you, i rather don't want eye cancer |
| 21:10.45 | abrotman | heh |
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| 21:10.55 | digijohn | valdyn_: I'm running unstable, I added the appropriate line, but when I tried to install avidemux, I got an error message saying it needs libaa1 |
| 21:11.06 | abrotman | i don't think i setup sound for flash .. oh well .. |
| 21:11.06 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 21:11.06 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:11.13 | LightVision | lakcaj: is it possible to install multiple apps when using apt-get? eg, instead of typing apt-get install alsa-base! can you type "apt-get install alsa-base+alsa-utls+alsaconf ? |
| 21:11.19 | valdyn_ | !info libaa1 |
| 21:11.22 | dpkg | libaa1: (ascii art library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.4p5-28 (sid), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 164 kB |
| 21:11.23 | tarzeau | LightVision: yes |
| 21:11.30 | tarzeau | LightVision: just use a space as package name seperator |
| 21:11.33 | lakcaj | LightVision, just put spaces between them, as I stated above |
| 21:11.38 | lakcaj | LightVision, no + necessary |
| 21:11.39 | valdyn_ | digijohn: and.. libaa1 is in sid |
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| 21:11.52 | uidzelro | tarzeau: Rofl, well, before you form an oppinion itd be neat to have tested it somewhat first :=) |
| 21:11.55 | digijohn | Really. I can't find it with apt-cache search |
| 21:12.00 | tarzeau | uidzelro: i have tested it |
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| 21:12.23 | uidzelro | tarzeau: Such as ? |
| 21:12.27 | enveezee | I finally figured out the timed login on gdm is the easiest way to make my synergy clients auto-connect |
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| 21:12.29 | sktrdie | I have a wireless card, How do I set it up dhcp with it? |
| 21:12.30 | tarzeau | uidzelro: for development |
| 21:12.41 | tarzeau | uidzelro: and i have found it too cumbersome for me |
| 21:12.43 | uidzelro | tarzeau: Of what man! :=) |
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| 21:12.48 | LightVision | tarzeau: great , thanks |
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| 21:12.55 | LightVision | lakcaj: ok thanks :) |
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| 21:12.58 | uidzelro | tarzeau: Of what :) |
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| 21:13.01 | valdyn_ | !wikifaq sktrdie interfaces |
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| 21:13.02 | dpkg | sktrdie: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/interfaces or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 21:13.39 | digijohn | valdyn_: Is it in the regular sid sources? |
| 21:13.48 | valdyn_ | digijohn: yes |
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| 21:14.12 | digijohn | apt-cache search libaa1 returns nothing, valdyn_ |
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| 21:14.38 | digijohn | wtf. |
| 21:14.47 | dionysus | anyone here used trickle much? I was hoping to use trickled to set two programs with an overall max bandwidth amount (which it seems to be able to do) and giving priority to one of the programs over the other (which apparently it can, but I don't know how...the trickled man page has a 'default priority' option, but there's no mention of a priority option for trickle) |
| 21:15.02 | abrotman | digijohn: are you on sid ? |
| 21:15.04 | jo_ | Hi, is Petter Reinholdtsen here? |
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| 21:15.13 | abrotman | who? |
| 21:15.36 | uidzelro | Sometimes as i break into the beowulf at Sandiego to decrypt some stuff i always feel sorry for the masses that do not understand anything |
| 21:15.48 | digijohn | abrotman: I _was_, but I obviously changed my sources over to testing in some blind hacking session :-) |
| 21:15.51 | digijohn | It seems okay now. |
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| 21:15.57 | LightVision | tarzeau: I NOW have sound working on kernel 2.6 :) So it was easy to fix using alsaconf! So why did you tell me earlier not to use 2.6, when all I had to do was run alsaconf? |
| 21:15.58 | abrotman | !info aalib1 etch |
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| 21:15.59 | dpkg | aalib1: (ascii art library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.4p5-22 (etch), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
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| 21:16.18 | LightVision | lakcaj: thanks for your help, I have sound and music workiong now with kernel 2.6 :) |
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| 21:16.34 | lakcaj | np :) |
| 21:16.46 | valdyn_ | !info libaa1 etch |
| 21:16.57 | tarzeau | LightVision: no idea, i've never manually run alsaconf |
| 21:16.57 | abrotman | i am not a cat! |
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| 21:17.12 | abrotman | valdyn_: you broke him! |
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| 21:17.28 | chack | :( |
| 21:17.28 | LightVision | tarzeau: its good, was easy to run and it picked upo my card and installed drivers! everything was automatic :) |
| 21:17.29 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 21:17.29 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
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| 21:18.27 | uidzelro | abrotman: what funny kids you have here, im amused |
| 21:18.36 | abrotman | uidzelro: what kids? |
| 21:18.50 | uidzelro | abrotman: under 30 ? |
| 21:18.57 | thingfish | hehe |
| 21:19.08 | uidzelro | the kidzorz! |
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| 21:19.38 | abrotman | just barely! |
| 21:19.46 | lakcaj | I was just in the ubuntu forum, seeing that they are talking about, and for some reason ubuntu doesn't include the alsaconf utility. I wonder why they would do that? |
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| 21:19.54 | abrotman | lakcaj: ask them? |
| 21:19.54 | lakcaj | s/that/what |
| 21:19.59 | jo_ | I will prepare a package for sponsoring, but I haven't the internet connection to set up a chroot from testing. Is there a machine, where I can put my package in a build queue to check if it builds? I'm not a DD. |
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| 21:20.06 | lakcaj | abrotman, I did, nobody seems to know |
| 21:20.08 | lakcaj | :) |
| 21:20.10 | LightVision | lakcaj: good question |
| 21:20.17 | abrotman | jo_: afaik .. you must be a DD |
| 21:20.24 | abrotman | lakcaj: that about sums up ubuntu |
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| 21:20.37 | LightVision | anyone been to new orlean? |
| 21:20.43 | abrotman | i have .. twice |
| 21:20.46 | lakcaj | abrotman, :) |
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| 21:20.59 | LightVision | is new orleans occupied by only poor people? |
| 21:21.00 | lakcaj | LightVision, not recently ;) |
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| 21:21.15 | Zedman | is there an apt source for the new gnome? |
| 21:21.15 | abrotman | LightVision: no .. do you know anne rice or trent reznor? |
| 21:21.20 | LightVision | lakcaj: what type of people live there? poor or rich? |
| 21:21.22 | abrotman | among other famous people .. they live there |
| 21:21.28 | abrotman | LightVision: like any city .. both |
| 21:21.30 | LightVision | abrotman: no I dont know them |
| 21:21.34 | thingfish | LightVision: of course not - who do you think owns everything down there? Rich people. |
| 21:21.35 | damog | abrotman: Isn't Trent Reznor from NIN? |
| 21:21.35 | tarzeau | jo_: you could use pbuilder on your own machine? |
| 21:21.35 | uidzelro | * You have been kicked from #debian by Ganneff (oh please - shutup) Ganeff to me he fucked SHEEP! |
| 21:21.36 | abrotman | LightVision: how old are you>/ |
| 21:21.39 | abrotman | damog: yes |
| 21:21.49 | abrotman | damog: he has ahouse in the garden district there ... i have pictures :) |
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| 21:21.52 | lakcaj | LightVision, don't know, I've never been there, but I think they have a large population of poor, not unlike alot of large cities. |
| 21:21.59 | LightVision | abrotman: welcome to my 3 month ignore list for pride and hatefulness. |
| 21:22.04 | damog | uidzelro: ? |
| 21:22.07 | tarzeau | Zedman: i wouldn't use any sources that are not debian.org |
| 21:22.13 | abrotman | wtf kind of shit is that |
| 21:22.17 | LightVision | lakcaj: ok thanks |
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| 21:22.20 | abrotman | pride and hatefulness? |
| 21:22.21 | thingfish | I'm sure abrotman is all kinds of shaken up by that. |
| 21:22.24 | Clarissa | um when i start the network instal boot cd at the cd initialisation window it hangs at "Load Module >>ide-disk<< for >>Linux ATA Disc<<" and when i disable this it hangs at the next after this it will not detect my dvd-rw burner as a cd drive with the cd |
| 21:22.24 | dan2 | abrotman: hey |
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| 21:22.35 | abrotman | i just asked how old the guy was .. most people know who at least anne rice or trent reznor are .. |
| 21:22.37 | damog | abrotman: Did he invite you to his place and show you his guitars? |
| 21:22.38 | jo_ | tarzeau: But I need a big internet link to set up the chroot for pbuilder and later to held it up to date. |
| 21:22.39 | abrotman | dan2: hey |
| 21:22.41 | Zedman | tarzeau: I want to upgrade gnome on sarge. |
| 21:22.44 | abrotman | damog: no . but i gues he's quiet |
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| 21:22.48 | valdyn_ | Clarissa: try linux26 at the bootprompt if you havent |
| 21:22.56 | tarzeau | Zedman: are you sure? [N/y] |
| 21:22.58 | Clarissa | linux26? |
| 21:23.08 | jo_ | tarzeau: I've only a 56k dialup connection |
| 21:23.08 | Clarissa | typing linux26 in it? |
| 21:23.13 | Zedman | tarzeau: y :) |
| 21:23.15 | valdyn_ | Clarissa: yes, hit F1 there for info.. |
| 21:23.16 | tarzeau | jo_: too expensive? |
| 21:23.21 | Clarissa | okay :) |
| 21:23.24 | Clarissa | i try :) |
| 21:23.28 | abrotman | Clarissa: when the CD starts .. and the little debian logo is there .. instead of hitting enter .. type linux26 and then enter |
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| 21:23.39 | thingfish | Clarissa: start over. at the first prompt, instead of just hitting enter, type linux26 and then hit enter. |
| 21:23.41 | LightVision | everyone I have ever met in the Debian community has been great, very helpful and kind! But abrotman has done nothing but attack me with vicious comments and hatred! So I will no longer see his comments. |
| 21:23.47 | dan2 | abrotman: do you have a mic and speakers or a headset? |
| 21:23.47 | Clarissa | yes okay :) wait ^^ |
| 21:23.48 | Aurorax | * You have been kicked from #debian by Ganneff (oh please - shutup) /Freenode -> Ganeff, you Gay Monkey! |
| 21:23.55 | Zedman | tarzeau: do you have a source or an idea for a source :) |
| 21:24.00 | damog | Aurorax: ? |
| 21:24.02 | abrotman | LightVision: i just asked how old you are .. you're entirely too sensitve to be on irc |
| 21:24.04 | tarzeau | LightVision: no need to tell who you ignore |
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| 21:24.10 | abrotman | dan2: i have .. both .. i think |
| 21:24.11 | LightVision | tarzeau: sorry |
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| 21:24.16 | tarzeau | LightVision: he's been fun and helpful also, i remember |
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| 21:24.23 | Aurorax | damog: tad bit of scruffyX.... ssh |
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| 21:24.33 | tarzeau | Zedman: no, i don't like gnome |
| 21:24.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: remember .. LightVision is eutopia :) |
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| 21:24.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: that doesn't ring a bell |
| 21:24.59 | jo_ | tarzeau: no, I live in an area with fibre optics cable and no provider provides a connection for the technology. |
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| 21:25.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: check the ban list |
| 21:25.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: i hate people who change their nicks (there's one exception) |
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| 21:25.06 | Aurorax | tarzeau: Ah, i cant find anything as GOOD AS GNOME Baybee!!! |
| 21:25.19 | lakcaj | openbox? |
| 21:25.20 | damog | !lart abrotman |
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| 21:25.30 | damog | * dpkg urinates on abrotman # WTF? |
| 21:25.33 | LightVision | tarzeau: you have been very helpful always, thanks |
| 21:25.35 | abrotman | damog: we love our bot |
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| 21:25.42 | takatumi | Aurorax: ion! |
| 21:25.45 | tarzeau | jo_: what a pity, if 56k is not expensive, use it (it'll just need a bit more time) |
| 21:25.46 | Aurorax | tarzeau: Its just not bad like kdein ;) |
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| 21:25.47 | abrotman | and for the record .. i did help LightVision last night .. and she thanked me |
| 21:25.48 | damog | abrotman: you mean l33t people? |
| 21:25.53 | abrotman | damog: dpkg is the bot! |
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| 21:26.02 | damog | abrotman: I know. |
| 21:26.06 | tarzeau | Aurorax: i don't care. i don't like either |
| 21:26.07 | damog | !lart resiak |
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| 21:26.18 | takatumi | !smitesmite damog |
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| 21:26.26 | abrotman | !phillysmite damog |
| 21:26.29 | LightVision | jo_: i use 56k modem :) it works great, just takes a little longer. and its cheap |
| 21:26.30 | tarzeau | !win abrotman |
| 21:26.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 21:26.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: why do i win? |
| 21:26.40 | damog | abrotman: I don't know the Liberty Bell. |
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| 21:26.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: you got her thank you |
| 21:26.47 | abrotman | damog: yes you do |
| 21:26.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: and now what? .. noone will do anything about it |
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| 21:26.54 | Aurorax | tarzeau: good, i dont either... we level out the crap somewhat (all the useless Python scriptings thats been going on etc) |
| 21:27.03 | sofia | i have a problem with vhcs |
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| 21:27.12 | damog | sofia: what kind of problems? |
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| 21:27.21 | ifvoid | hey guys |
| 21:27.21 | tarzeau | Aurorax: and i don't like FHS, and i don't like Perl |
| 21:27.31 | alexscott | sorry for deco-reco :s |
| 21:27.35 | takatumi | !wb ifvoid |
| 21:27.36 | abrotman | what is vhcs |
| 21:27.36 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! ifvoid has returned! |
| 21:27.42 | sofia | i can t get it to redirect for example myweb.com to the folder i want |
| 21:27.56 | sofia | it always give me the localhost |
| 21:27.59 | Aurorax | sofia: an unsatisfied clitoris as always Sofia! :=) / Its cool |
| 21:28.09 | abrotman | i guess a proxy of some sort? |
| 21:28.13 | sofia | i am trying it out in a lan |
| 21:28.16 | ifvoid | Aurorax: please be civil |
| 21:28.17 | LightVision | is there an app similar to winamp that runs on Sarge? |
| 21:28.29 | Ungy | LightVision, xmms |
| 21:28.30 | abrotman | xmms |
| 21:28.30 | SerajewelKS | LightVision, XMMS |
| 21:28.34 | valdyn_ | LightVision: beep-media-player,xmms |
| 21:28.38 | ifvoid | LightVision: xmms, beep, but amarok is much better |
| 21:28.38 | abrotman | zinf! |
| 21:28.41 | abrotman | zinf! |
| 21:28.44 | LightVision | SerajewelKS: ah great, ty |
| 21:28.52 | LightVision | ifvoid: ok thanks |
| 21:28.53 | tarzeau | LightVision: Cynthiune.app |
| 21:28.59 | SerajewelKS | beepmp is still too early in the dev cycle IMHO.. lots of things are broken |
| 21:29.00 | Ungy | hahaha |
| 21:29.05 | Aurorax | amen ifvoid: ill be civil indeed, have the best time.. im off, say hi to Sven for me |
| 21:29.07 | SerajewelKS | mpg321! |
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| 21:29.14 | takatumi | cplay, mp3blaster. |
| 21:29.17 | LightVision | valdyn_: ok |
| 21:29.18 | theD3viL | marillat stable doesnt works! |
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| 21:29.39 | LightVision | tarzeau: ok |
| 21:29.45 | Aurorax | ifvoid: be great yourself, i like your progress |
| 21:29.56 | lakcaj | theD3viL, working fine here |
| 21:30.16 | theD3viL | lakcaj, write me your line |
| 21:30.19 | sofia | damog any tips? |
| 21:30.19 | ifvoid | Aurorax: if you want to chat and play dumb, just go to another channel |
| 21:30.24 | ifvoid | this a a debian support channel |
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| 21:30.30 | LightVision | when I installed Sarge yesterday, I have not found any program to be able to write to CD-RW. Is there something I can install that does that? |
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| 21:30.43 | ifvoid | LightVision: gnomebaker, k3b |
| 21:30.47 | lakcaj | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
| 21:30.50 | lakcaj | theD3viL, ^^^ |
| 21:30.52 | poncho | LightVision: k3b |
| 21:30.59 | Aurorax | ifvoid: No, im out but youll understand later if you remember this.. Chiao |
| 21:31.01 | LightVision | ifvoid: ok! what one out of gnomebaker, k3b do most people prefer? |
| 21:31.04 | theD3viL | lakcaj, m..doesnt work for me :( |
| 21:31.07 | sofia | need help with vhcs |
| 21:31.08 | abrotman | LightVision: which WM/DE ? |
| 21:31.12 | EdLin | LightVision: cdrecord |
| 21:31.13 | LightVision | poncho: ok |
| 21:31.13 | takatumi | LightVision: cdrecord. |
| 21:31.22 | lakcaj | LightVision, I use k3b, even in gnome. |
| 21:31.22 | ifvoid | LightVision: both are nice. k3b is for kde mostly, and gnomebaker for gnome |
| 21:31.31 | LightVision | takatumi: ok |
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| 21:31.36 | abrotman | there's another for gnome .. uhm ... |
| 21:31.36 | LightVision | ifvoid: ah ok I understand |
| 21:31.39 | ifvoid | but you can use both in either gnome or kde |
| 21:31.44 | sofia | need help with vhcs |
| 21:31.49 | EdLin | LightVision: k3b, and most other graphical CD burners, are just front ends to cdrecord and mkisofs, etc. |
| 21:31.53 | lakcaj | gnomebaker, graveman |
| 21:31.54 | jobli | k |
| 21:31.54 | ifvoid | sofia: what is vhcs? |
| 21:31.58 | theD3viL | lakcaj, do you know how to fix firefox fonts? and how to add MS fonts? but i wanna stable debian! |
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| 21:32.10 | ifvoid | theD3viL: aptitude install msttcorefonts |
| 21:32.13 | sofia | server frontend |
| 21:32.17 | LightVision | EdLin: ah ok! sound good. so do I type "apt-get install cdrecord k3d" ? |
| 21:32.22 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL, what version are you using |
| 21:32.22 | ifvoid | theD3viL: aptitude install msttcorefonts? |
| 21:32.34 | ifvoid | theD3viL: and what's wrong with your ff fonts that you need to fix them? |
| 21:32.39 | EdLin | LightVision: k3b will automatically bring what it needs. |
| 21:32.48 | LightVision | EdLin: great, thanks :) brb |
| 21:32.50 | takatumi | LightVision: not d, 'b'. |
| 21:32.50 | EdLin | LightVision: that's true of apt-get in general |
| 21:32.59 | LightVision | takatumi: got it :) |
| 21:33.15 | lakcaj | LightVision, if it didn't, apt would be the best package manager available for linux, which it is :) |
| 21:33.22 | LightVision | my second day using Debian and I really like this Sarge |
| 21:33.24 | lakcaj | s/would be/would not be |
| 21:33.27 | theD3viL | ifvoid, SerajewelKS: sarge, but dont have antoher source in my source.list .. can u give me for msttcorefonts ? |
| 21:33.35 | LightVision | brb installing k3b |
| 21:33.37 | EdLin | !u |
| 21:33.38 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:33.39 | SerajewelKS | !info msttcorefonts sarge |
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| 21:33.49 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2 (sarge), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 21:33.56 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL, it's in sarge |
| 21:34.01 | sofia | come on someone |
| 21:34.02 | ifvoid | theD3viL: msttcorefonts is in sarge |
| 21:34.13 | theD3viL | hm ? |
| 21:34.18 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL, make sure you have "contrib" in your apt.sources |
| 21:34.19 | LightVision | after using Debian Sarge for 2 days now, I would never go back to MS Wincrap :P heh |
| 21:34.21 | sofia | at least tell me where i can get some info |
| 21:34.23 | EdLin | theD3viL: add contrib and non-free to your deb lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:34.30 | damog | sofia: Apparently there is no person involved on vhcs |
| 21:34.36 | ifvoid | sofia: which debian package is this vhcs in? |
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| 21:34.50 | takatumi | !wtf vhcs |
| 21:34.52 | dpkg | no binary found. |
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| 21:35.01 | theD3viL | EdLin, can u write me the hole line ? |
| 21:35.02 | markinux | hello |
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| 21:35.06 | Zedman | !gnome |
| 21:35.06 | dpkg | from memory, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager, or a barely-usable pile of dung |
| 21:35.08 | ifvoid | sofia: are you useing debian? |
| 21:35.09 | Gathond | sofia: vhcs has a website, they probably have a manual as well |
| 21:35.09 | markinux | hello everybody |
| 21:35.34 | lakcaj | !hello markinux |
| 21:35.37 | EdLin | theD3viL: man sources.list |
| 21:35.38 | anibal | !info beecrypt |
| 21:35.41 | vida | hi |
| 21:35.45 | markinux | hello |
| 21:35.49 | sofia | no the web site manual has been erased |
| 21:35.50 | ifvoid | !no, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
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| 21:36.15 | Wile_E | sofia: on the vhcs site is a forum, naybe try that... |
| 21:36.30 | sofia | i m using ubuntu |
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| 21:36.40 | EdLin | !ubuntu |
| 21:36.40 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 21:36.43 | sofia | i did, still no answer |
| 21:36.45 | uidzelro | ifvoid: full support youll have... greets from Sweden..(); |
| 21:36.54 | takatumi | !badgerknoppix |
| 21:36.54 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
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| 21:37.22 | sofia | the irc of ubuntu its not working |
| 21:37.23 | ifvoid | uidzelro: ? |
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| 21:37.36 | abrotman | sofia: it works ... they're a little unresponsive sometimes |
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| 21:37.45 | LightVision | uidzelro: you are from sweden? |
| 21:37.46 | ifvoid | sofia: well, I'm afraid we can't help you with vhcs, as we don't know what it is |
| 21:37.52 | Wile_E | sofia: and there is a #vhcs channel here on freenode |
| 21:38.11 | sofia | thanks did not know that |
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| 21:38.25 | uidzelro | ifvoid: i see it, you do not and you dont have to... ill go party, have a nice time.. we will chat later |
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| 21:38.41 | ifvoid | uidzelro: no we won't |
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| 21:38.46 | LightVision | uidzelro: I speak fluent swedish |
| 21:38.51 | theD3viL | ifvoid, they are small.. very small |
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| 21:39.37 | rr72_ | how would i go about setting up a belkin usb wireless adapter? |
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| 21:39.44 | uidzelro | LightVision: then see http://mange.dynalias.org/linux.html or some of the other sites i have... i find the kidz funny :=) |
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| 21:39.55 | rr72_ | what packs do i need? |
| 21:39.58 | dan2 | !badger rr72_ |
| 21:39.59 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
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| 21:40.14 | dan2 | !sussudiosmite rr72_ |
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| 21:41.15 | ifvoid | dan2: if you can't say anything helpfull, then please just don;t say anything at all |
| 21:41.22 | EdLin | rr72_ must be bot-proof |
| 21:41.22 | takatumi | uidzelro: oh, didn't know the margin was that bad, 648x18 |
| 21:41.44 | uidzelro | takatumi: margin ? |
| 21:42.01 | abrotman | rr72_: it's not likely to work |
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| 21:42.25 | uidzelro | takatumi: asap if you wanna say somethin or ill have to go party... |
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| 21:42.51 | takatumi | uidzelro: the vote, didn't know it went that well. :) enjoy the party. |
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| 21:43.13 | uidzelro | takatumi: hmm, what was the vote actually ? |
| 21:43.38 | takatumi | uidzelro: http://mange.dynalias.org/linux.html |
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| 21:43.43 | uidzelro | takatumi: Be nice and.. Tanks! |
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| 21:44.02 | takatumi | uidzelro: danke, namaste. |
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| 21:44.23 | uidzelro | takatumi: Yeah, i rule the server guis alot... and itll get even better |
| 21:44.26 | frankie | rr72_: you could probably have a try with ndiswrapper, if belkin has no native linux support |
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| 21:44.36 | rr72_ | k |
| 21:44.36 | rr72_ | ty |
| 21:44.39 | rr72_ | ill try |
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| 21:44.48 | uidzelro | takatumi: Its "Tackar" "Danke" "Namaste" |
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| 21:45.15 | uidzelro | takatumi: Youre welcome, gotta go partitrixxen now ;) |
| 21:45.26 | takatumi | uidzelro: jaza'k allakhair. |
| 21:45.49 | uidzelro | A special Greet to my Netherland and Italian friends!!! |
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| 21:48.46 | Clarissa | hmm the installer couldnt find the usb internet :/ can i somewhere get a full debian installer dvd with all include ? |
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| 21:49.14 | travisat | I don't know if a dvd can hold all of debian |
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| 21:49.18 | takatumi | Clarissa: what usb NIC? |
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| 21:49.27 | Clarissa | usb nic? huh? |
| 21:49.32 | Clarissa | whats this? |
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| 21:49.39 | LightVision | Clarissa: whats usb internet? |
| 21:49.44 | EdLin | travisat: it can't |
| 21:49.53 | EdLin | travisat: the DVD distro is multi-dvd |
| 21:50.01 | travisat | EdLin: thought so |
| 21:50.02 | Clarissa | i have my router connected via usb with the dhcp internet |
| 21:50.05 | EdLin | travisat: of course, you only need the first CD to install Debian... |
| 21:50.07 | LightVision | Clarissa: it means Network card |
| 21:50.15 | Clarissa | dont use network card |
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| 21:50.36 | Clarissa | my dhcp enabled router is connected via usb with my computer |
| 21:50.42 | lakcaj | LightVision, take a look at the usbnet module if you are really talking about ppp over usb |
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| 21:50.58 | sktrdie | can anyone help me with this: http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/support/solutions/ydl_4.0/usb-802.11b-key.shtml |
| 21:51.05 | sktrdie | see the last script |
| 21:51.07 | lakcaj | Clarissa, does that use usbnet module? |
| 21:51.08 | sktrdie | how do I make that in debian |
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| 21:51.44 | Clarissa | how can i start teh usbnet module? because in the installer i couldnt choose this and now i havent all packages installed |
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| 21:52.00 | poncho | bye! |
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| 21:52.50 | takatumi | sktrdie: try module-assistant, install hostap. |
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| 21:53.36 | lakcaj | Clarissa, you just want to install the usbnet module? modprobe usbnet |
| 21:53.43 | abrotman | you know what ... bots suck |
| 21:53.52 | Clarissa | that i have typed lakcaj |
| 21:54.04 | SerajewelKS | !bot |
| 21:54.05 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 21:54.33 | Clarissa | but in the debian network install cd installer i couldnt choose usbnet and now i havent installed all packages and couldnt choose anything |
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| 21:55.04 | travisat | Clarissa: run tasksel |
| 21:55.12 | travisat | after you get your network working |
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| 21:55.46 | Clarissa | only type as root in terminal from debian "modprobe usbnet" and then "tasksel" ? |
| 21:55.52 | theD3viL | How to add HP printer? I already installed printconf |
| 21:56.00 | hlorrithi | Anybody think they can help me install wine in ubuntu? |
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| 21:56.12 | SerajewelKS | !tell hlorrithi about based on debian |
| 21:56.14 | lakcaj | hlorrithi, #ubuntu |
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| 21:56.18 | enveezee | hlorrithi: try #wine or #ubuntu, that way off topic here |
| 21:56.24 | travisat | if you have your network working tasksel will let you select a task to install (desktop for example). |
| 21:56.31 | hlorrithi | ahh. ok. thanks a ton! |
| 21:56.54 | lakcaj | Clarissa, you don't have an ethernet card at all? |
| 21:56.57 | Clarissa | travisat but i dont know how to let this dhcp on usb internet connection bring to work :| |
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| 21:57.02 | Clarissa | lakcaj not really :( |
| 21:57.07 | lakcaj | Clarissa, ok |
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| 21:57.54 | Clarissa | i try something moment |
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| 21:57.59 | abrotman | takatumi: what .. you just kept hitting the print button ? |
| 21:58.12 | enveezee | it wont fix your configs but these seasoned fries are fucking awesome |
| 21:58.25 | abrotman | enveezee: primanti bros? |
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| 21:58.29 | takatumi | !yinzersmite enveezee |
| 21:58.44 | sether | does anyone happen to know where debblue-1600x1200.png (the default Gnome background)is stored? |
| 21:58.55 | abrotman | sether: locate debblue-1600x1200.png |
| 21:58.58 | hlorrithi | hmmm... anywhere else I can go to get information on installing wine in ubuntu... actually, you guys realize that ubuntu is a form of debian, right? |
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| 21:59.06 | abrotman | hlorrithi: yes .. but it's not debian |
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| 21:59.21 | abrotman | hlorrithi: you need to ask #ubuntu or #winehq .. |
| 21:59.28 | lakcaj | hlorrithi, there are the ubuntu forums, and there is an ubuntu wiki |
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| 22:00.33 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Weee ur here ;) |
| 22:00.54 | lakcaj | Clarissa, after modprobe usbnet, try plugging in the router, and then "ifup usb0" |
| 22:00.54 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to get mplayer not to stop playing when it goes to background? |
| 22:01.05 | abrotman | #mplayer ? |
| 22:01.12 | hlorrithi | abrotman: the ubuntu forums are unresponsive and dead... I will try winehq. |
| 22:01.17 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: #DIE |
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| 22:01.23 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: just kidding.. I lub u |
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| 22:01.40 | abrotman | hlorrithi: they're called channels :) |
| 22:01.59 | takatumi | abrotman: maybe even the forums are dead. |
| 22:02.09 | abrotman | takatumi: i assume he means the channel :) |
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| 22:02.22 | travisat | the "chat room" |
| 22:02.23 | TwistedEmotions | I think *live* forums are.. well... irc. |
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| 22:02.57 | hlorrithi | abrotman: well pick nits why don't you? : P |
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| 22:03.03 | travisat | TwistedEmotions: how do you know this is live, we might all be bots |
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| 22:03.06 | abrotman | hlorrithi: just trying to help your terminology :) |
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| 22:03.18 | abrotman | travisat: is it larger than a breadbox ? |
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| 22:03.46 | enveezee | this damn HP monitor with its soft-power button is annyoing. I got all 3 of the heads wired to my power controller so I can turn them all on and off with one button.. well the HP doesnt come back on unless I push an extra button!! |
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| 22:04.07 | abrotman | enveezee: file a bug! |
| 22:04.10 | zbiw | hello i'm looking for some help to install debian on acer aspire 1690 |
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| 22:04.11 | TwistedEmotions | travisat: because I make love to half the people in this channel offline.... duhhhh! |
| 22:04.20 | abrotman | zbiw: you have the netinst cd? |
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| 22:04.27 | zbiw | yes |
| 22:04.33 | abrotman | zbiw: and it's a laptop ? |
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| 22:04.42 | abrotman | zbiw: are you having a specific problem? |
| 22:04.51 | zbiw | but the install stop initialiasing mice |
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| 22:04.58 | abrotman | zbiw: doig what? |
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| 22:05.05 | jobezone | I'm not a bot, I'm a real human being |
| 22:05.06 | abrotman | zbiw: afaik .. the mouse isn't active during install |
| 22:05.09 | takatumi | TwistedEmotions: oh, didn't know they were feminine Emotions. |
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| 22:05.23 | zbiw | message : mice:ps/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 22:05.25 | jobezone | I have feelings and all |
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| 22:05.29 | travisat | jobezone: so you say, but I'm on to you all |
| 22:05.30 | zbiw | is the last message on the boot screen |
| 22:05.33 | zbiw | nothing else |
| 22:05.34 | enveezee | abrotman: unfortunatly the world outside debian isnt that easy. |
| 22:05.36 | TwistedEmotions | takatumi: they're not... |
| 22:05.38 | abrotman | zbiw: it just stops ? |
| 22:05.43 | zbiw | yeah |
| 22:05.47 | FieldySnuts | lag |
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| 22:05.50 | abrotman | zbiw: which kernel did you install ? |
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| 22:05.56 | takatumi | eitherway Twisted. |
| 22:05.58 | zbiw | i've try to unplug the mouse |
| 22:05.59 | karsten | takatumi: You don't know TwistedEmotions the way _I_ know TwistedEmotions |
| 22:06.04 | zbiw | and it stop just befor |
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| 22:06.13 | abrotman | zbiw: which kernel did you install ? |
| 22:06.15 | takatumi | karsten: I'm sure. :) |
| 22:06.15 | enveezee | if you could just file a bug report on anything it would be nice. Bug #348596 Girlfirend makes strange noises at dinner. |
| 22:06.15 | jobezone | travisat: would you like me to sing you a song as proof? |
| 22:06.16 | lakcaj | Clarissa, after modprobe usbnet, try plugging in the router, and then "ifup usb0" |
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| 22:06.21 | zbiw | i've think about falshing the bios |
| 22:06.26 | jobezone | travisat: Daisy... |
| 22:06.29 | zbiw | cause i can't do nothing with it |
| 22:06.31 | abrotman | zbiw: WHICH KERNEL? |
| 22:06.31 | travisat | jobezone: hmm, probably not... |
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| 22:06.35 | TwistedEmotions | takatumi: karsten knows me as the real male WHORE I was always ment to be... |
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| 22:06.46 | zbiw | i've try to install deb 3.1 roA |
| 22:06.51 | abrotman | zbiw: 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 22:06.52 | zbiw | with 2.6.8 |
| 22:06.55 | zbiw | and 2.4.27 |
| 22:06.59 | abrotman | zbiw: you tried both? |
| 22:07.00 | FieldySnuts | ~enter |
| 22:07.02 | apt | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 22:07.07 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: I got yahoo launchcast working ;) WEeeeee |
| 22:07.09 | takatumi | TwistedEmotions: s/men/mean |
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| 22:07.18 | Clarissa | lakcaj when i plug in the usb cable i see that debian has found usbnet is that okay then? is usbnet configured then? |
| 22:07.18 | zbiw | yes both |
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| 22:07.41 | zbiw | the 2.6 stop at probing audio module |
| 22:07.44 | abrotman | zbiw: can you go into the bios and disable the mouse (it's a laptop right? |
| 22:07.49 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 22:07.50 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 22:07.58 | TwistedEmotions | takatumi: yeah... what what you said ;) |
| 22:07.58 | zbiw | i'll try it now |
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| 22:08.09 | kimo | I can print from my linux box fine, but not across the network. Our retarded netadmin is refusing to make cupsd network visible. Is there anyway to print across the network, a la rsh or something ? |
| 22:08.09 | takatumi | TwistedEmotions: that really was a correction in your sentence above, not to make men mean. |
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| 22:08.28 | FieldySnuts | men mean? |
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| 22:08.33 | FieldySnuts | nevar! |
| 22:08.35 | Clarissa | but when i write "tasksel" in console nothing happening i only go back to the input line |
| 22:08.36 | lakcaj | Clarissa, that means that debian is loading the appropriate module (driver) to communicate over usb. If the module is being loaded automatically, then you can forgo the modprobe command, but you may still have to issue "ifup usb0" |
| 22:08.36 | zbiw | nbothing on bios for mouse |
| 22:08.40 | tennin | hi |
| 22:08.44 | zbiw | but one thing! |
| 22:08.47 | abrotman | zbiw: it's a laptop ? |
| 22:08.50 | TwistedEmotions | takatumi: yeah I got it... my reply... Hooked on Phoniqs worked for me ;)! |
| 22:08.51 | zbiw | at the linux method of booting |
| 22:08.58 | lakcaj | Clarissa, taskel won't do shit for you until you get your network working |
| 22:09.00 | zbiw | i'm forced to make a acpi=off |
| 22:09.11 | zbiw | yeah laptop |
| 22:09.12 | takatumi | TwistedEmotions: palendrome. |
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| 22:09.17 | zbiw | acer aspire 1690 |
| 22:09.18 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: where are you slut? |
| 22:09.18 | abrotman | zbiw: you turned off acpi ? |
| 22:09.24 | FieldySnuts | notlob (bolton) |
| 22:09.30 | FieldySnuts | oh wait, that's a spoonerism |
| 22:09.31 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: michael ? |
| 22:09.34 | zbiw | acpi off |
| 22:09.38 | abrotman | !acpi |
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| 22:09.38 | dpkg | i guess acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 22:09.43 | TwistedEmotions | takatumi: *palindrome |
| 22:09.46 | FieldySnuts | nah, vague monty python referance |
| 22:09.48 | zbiw | it does'nt boot with acpi |
| 22:09.48 | tennin | there seems to be a problem with my debian font manager |
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| 22:09.54 | zbiw | without stoping acpi |
| 22:09.57 | takatumi | TwistedEmotions: yeah, you get to s/// me this time. |
| 22:10.03 | Clarissa | lakcaj dont be angry i cant know this all i am new at debian sorry for disturbing you :( but i must learn this all first i cant know directly what i need all or? :/ |
| 22:10.05 | zbiw | the install stop at booting the kernel |
| 22:10.09 | jobezone | There is a flower within my hear, Daisy, Daisy! |
| 22:10.12 | TwistedEmotions | takatumi: hahaha ... touche! |
| 22:10.14 | abrotman | zbiw: you're saying the installer doesn't even boot ? |
| 22:10.23 | jobezone | Planted one day by a glancing dart, Planted by Daisy Bell! |
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| 22:10.30 | lakcaj | Clarissa, I'm not mad, it's just an expression. |
| 22:10.30 | zbiw | yeah |
| 22:10.33 | FieldySnuts | google really slow for anyone els? |
| 22:10.40 | travisat | jobezone: stop it. your a human. machines are that annoying |
| 22:10.42 | tennin | i copied some truetype fonts from an ms-windows partition to a directory in /usr/share/fonts/truetype , and attempted to generate a defoma hints file for it |
| 22:10.47 | travisat | s/are/aren't/ |
| 22:10.55 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: nope |
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| 22:11.08 | abrotman | zbiw: ah .. try expert26 |
| 22:11.08 | travisat | I can't write worth shit |
| 22:11.08 | zbiw | but i successfully installed debian with the same cd on an other laptop |
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| 22:11.18 | zbiw | i've already try expert26 |
| 22:11.21 | tennin | but "defoma-hints truetype ./*.ttf > /etc/defoma/hints/custom.hints" yielded "Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/defoma/libperl-hint.pl line 44." |
| 22:11.21 | abrotman | zbiw: and try not loading any mouse modules |
| 22:11.23 | Clarissa | okay :| i only would say that it is hard at starting with debian i was windows user all the time and now i use linux since 4-5 weeks but the kanotix version debian is another in the commands i must learn all first :| |
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| 22:11.32 | zbiw | oki for the mouse module |
| 22:11.36 | *** part/#debian BuLuT_ (n=zurnanet@ppp7-adsl01-194.the.forthnet.gr) |
| 22:11.36 | zbiw | i will try it |
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| 22:11.37 | abrotman | huh? |
| 22:11.39 | abrotman | zbiw: ah ok |
| 22:11.45 | enveezee | zbiw: was the other one a PPC and this one is an x86? heh |
| 22:11.53 | zbiw | X86 |
| 22:11.58 | Clarissa | okay lets configure usb internet :) see you later ^^ |
| 22:12.00 | abrotman | 8X |
| 22:12.02 | lakcaj | Clarissa, if you had a network card, you wouldn't be having these problems. Again, not your fault, just letting you know. |
| 22:12.06 | zbiw | the both are x86 |
| 22:12.14 | tennin | i did web and usenet searches and found a few other people who'd had the same problem, but no solution |
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| 22:12.16 | mondalaci | hi! someone could tell me how can i select a given version of a package. in case of python2.3 and python2.4 i don't just mean symlinking /usr/bin/python to python2.4, but defaulting python2.4 so that when i install a python-xyz pacakge, apt would install it for python2.4 |
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| 22:12.18 | lakcaj | Clarissa, one more thing |
| 22:12.19 | takatumi | Clarissa: wifinic. :) |
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| 22:12.22 | jobezone | Machines are underrated. Everybody insults them, and forget that they might have feelings too. |
| 22:12.22 | tennin | or explanation of why it occurred |
| 22:12.27 | zbiw | i'm sorry i should leave |
| 22:12.40 | zbiw | but i'll be back tomorrow |
| 22:12.47 | enveezee | buh~bye |
| 22:12.48 | zbiw | i'll try again to night |
| 22:12.54 | lakcaj | Clarissa, you may need to add an entry in /etc/network/interfaces, to specify that usb0 is to use dhcp, but I'm not sure. |
| 22:12.58 | zbiw | i'll tell you if i find something |
| 22:13.01 | Clarissa | yes :) and thank you for the commands lakcaj :) lol :x machines are...hardware :p |
| 22:13.03 | zbiw | thank's for help |
| 22:13.06 | LightVision | im using Sarge and only seem to have sarge pointers in my sources.list. But does that mean when I type "apt-get update" I wont be able to download newer versions of anything? Will it only show as availble stable sarge releases? |
| 22:13.07 | takatumi | zbiw: Robert Bruce. |
| 22:13.11 | jobezone | <end of nodeThought 22301afAG> |
| 22:13.15 | Clarissa | etc network interfaces okay i notice this |
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| 22:13.22 | lakcaj | auto usb0 |
| 22:13.22 | lakcaj | iface usb0 inet dhcp |
| 22:13.25 | lakcaj | Clarissa, ^^^ |
| 22:13.53 | Clarissa | i notice and try this :) see ya ^^ if it doesnt work i´ll come back :x |
| 22:13.54 | abrotman | LightVision: yes |
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| 22:13.57 | Sepho | hi all |
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| 22:14.18 | abrotman | oh that's right .. i've been ignored .. *sniff* |
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| 22:14.24 | FieldySnuts | boo hoo |
| 22:14.25 | dho | I'm having a problem in which after installing debian, the broadcom ethernet driver is not loaded. It seems to imply that it needs a firmware file (tso-1.4.0) that it cannot find, and of which I can only find references to this issue (with no solutions other than get a new nic) from googling. Anybody have suggestions? |
| 22:14.26 | LightVision | im using Sarge, but can I add to the sources.list a reference to debian testing applications? Or I can only use stable sarge references? |
| 22:14.26 | abrotman | her loss |
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| 22:14.30 | FieldySnuts | who |
| 22:14.33 | abrotman | !tell LightVision about repeat |
| 22:14.35 | Sepho | I need help with xine... I want to view a DVD video but i don't know how i should to do |
| 22:14.45 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: LightVision / lisa_ / eutopia(who was banned) |
| 22:14.52 | FieldySnuts | no loss |
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| 22:15.15 | abrotman | of course .. had i not been on ignore .. she wouldn't have to repeat :) |
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| 22:16.03 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: dunno, eutopia/lisa seemed to be different people; regardless, there's no point in baiting them like that |
| 22:16.04 | abrotman | err. is banend |
| 22:16.25 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: the lisa@ is the same .. and the ISP is the same ... |
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| 22:17.02 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: and since LightVision said i am mean to her all the time .. today was the first time i saw LightVision .. so that kind of links them since i said she was the same as eutopia yesterday |
| 22:17.17 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: but you're right .. though .. i did answer her correctly :) |
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| 22:18.01 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: lightvision, sarge, lisa_ were all the same... but anyway, no point in discussing it now |
| 22:18.09 | abrotman | i missed the sarge one |
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| 22:18.38 | kimo | anyone forced to use MSExchange, out of quota, and would rather die than store business mails in pst files ?? what to do |
| 22:18.53 | abrotman | kimo: huh? |
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| 22:19.09 | abrotman | kimo: you're over your quota .. on MSExchange ? |
| 22:19.15 | kimo | yeah |
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| 22:19.25 | abrotman | !info MSExchange sarge |
| 22:19.32 | enveezee | heh |
| 22:19.44 | enveezee | package MSExchange does not exist. |
| 22:19.50 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:19.52 | husein | hi all. |
| 22:20.04 | kimo | can I store IMAP mails in some standard files offline |
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| 22:20.19 | enveezee | oh shit |
| 22:20.22 | abrotman | exchange isn't IMAP .. do you have IMAP to your exchange? or POP3 ? |
| 22:20.25 | Sepho | what plugin i need to view DVD video on xine?? |
| 22:20.40 | kimo | I can access the exchange server by thunderbird too ! |
| 22:20.43 | enveezee | I got a HD about to break it sounds like |
| 22:20.44 | kimo | thought it was IMAP as well |
| 22:20.48 | abrotman | Sepho: you can try libdvdread .. or you might need libdvdcss |
| 22:20.52 | action09 | hi all ! i experienced problems doing a ' apt-get update ' (On Stable ==> it's stucked on 88% [Waiting for headers] and can't move :( |
| 22:20.52 | kimo | it is IMAP I am sure |
| 22:20.57 | abrotman | kimo: it can be .. it's not IMAP by default |
| 22:20.58 | Sepho | thanks |
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| 22:21.04 | enveezee | I hope its not that brand new 160GB |
| 22:21.14 | husein | I am trying to get wirelees with my new sid. I have done all this steps(http://pastebin.com/353191), after reading several howtos with no sucess. Is there anything i am forgetting??. Thx u all. |
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| 22:21.23 | Gathond | kimo: its probably imap, but exchange probably supports some other arcane propertiery thing for lookout to use |
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| 22:21.41 | abrotman | Gathond: MAPI iirc |
| 22:21.45 | Gathond | kimo: I assume you can use fetchmail to get it and store it locally |
| 22:21.52 | kimo | So, if I use the IMAP interface, can I store old emails in some standard files offline? |
| 22:22.00 | abrotman | kimo: if it supports POP3 .. you could download it permanently |
| 22:22.22 | abrotman | kimo: you might get better answers on irc.mozilla.org ... |
| 22:22.22 | kimo | I want to store it on my network home to be acessible from anywhere ? |
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| 22:22.30 | enveezee | Either that 20GB Quantum Fireball, or that 160GB Seagate was just making a sound that you shouldnt hear a hd making. loud knocking sound |
| 22:22.31 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:23.08 | enveezee | I noticed strange noises comming from the Seagate as I was mounting it last night.. just handling it powered off it was making strange noises |
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| 22:23.27 | enveezee | if its broke they are taking the fucker back |
| 22:23.30 | green_earz | action09: i would say all so to pick a http mirror |
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| 22:24.19 | enveezee | also maybe? |
| 22:24.23 | action09 | green_earz ok let me see :) |
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| 22:24.28 | green_earz | ok |
| 22:24.32 | husein | no help? |
| 22:24.36 | enveezee | I understand yinzers saying alot instead of a lot.. but saying all so? |
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| 22:25.08 | dho | Any ideas? :\ |
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| 22:25.44 | FieldySnuts | ~any ideas |
| 22:25.47 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, any ideas is not specific, not informative and not complete |
| 22:25.52 | FieldySnuts | lame |
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| 22:26.34 | dho | Perhaps if you scrolled up and saw my detailed problem description, it'd make more sense. |
| 22:26.46 | FieldySnuts | or if i cared |
| 22:26.50 | abrotman | dho: lspci .. which one ? |
| 22:27.07 | Sepho | what plugin i need to view DVD video on xine?? |
| 22:27.09 | dho | abrotman: let me look, hold on. |
| 22:27.10 | humbraro | !pf |
| 22:27.10 | dpkg | from memory, pf is pink floyd, or a BSD packet filter (not related to Pink Floyd), or http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/index.html |
| 22:27.14 | Sepho | with libdvdread don't work |
| 22:27.17 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 22:27.18 | humbraro | hehe |
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| 22:27.24 | FieldySnuts | not related to pink floyd |
| 22:27.39 | abrotman | Sepho: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 22:27.39 | mfrisch | If I reinstall and not touch my raid setup, will just adding raidtab enable it? |
| 22:27.54 | FieldySnuts | probably more to it than that |
| 22:27.59 | Sepho | I don't have mplayer |
| 22:28.04 | dho | abrotman: BCM5704 |
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| 22:28.07 | FieldySnuts | software raid is a pain in the ass to carry accross installs |
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| 22:28.35 | mfrisch | FieldySnuts any ideas? |
| 22:28.36 | abrotman | dho: might have better luck iwth broadcom.com drivers |
| 22:28.43 | FieldySnuts | mfrisch: ask apt |
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| 22:29.01 | theD3viL | how to set up alsa ? |
| 22:29.07 | FieldySnuts | meh. pissy mood, bbl |
| 22:29.07 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 22:29.08 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is probably apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf |
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| 22:29.26 | theD3viL | tnx |
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| 22:29.38 | dho | abrotman: thank you; I'll see what I can do with that. |
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| 22:29.55 | Clarissa | hmm ifup usb0 doesnt work but he found the usb as ethernet adapter |
| 22:30.15 | abrotman | !comfort FieldySnuts |
| 22:30.16 | dpkg | There, there, FieldySnuts. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 22:30.37 | xwolf | machs halt tot |
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| 22:30.42 | enveezee | ebeneezer peter squeezer |
| 22:30.43 | mfrisch | FieldySnuts but the data will stay intack right..unless I touch them, so the trick is just getting them too work again? |
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| 22:30.46 | xwolf | ah evil focus |
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| 22:31.00 | Clarissa | the command "mc" for midnight commander doesnt work how can i edit the interfaces other way? |
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| 22:31.51 | enveezee | my wm only has enter-exit focus, enter-only focus, and click focus.. no evil focus |
| 22:32.15 | dondelelcaro | Clarissa: /usr/bin/sensible-editor /etc/network/interfaces; as root. |
| 22:32.17 | xwolf | enveezee: bitchx does anyway |
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| 22:32.30 | Clarissa | thank you dondelelcaro |
| 22:32.33 | theD3viL | alsaconf detect my sound card but i cant play 2 sound each time |
| 22:32.34 | enveezee | I should probably leave now.. my host machine just left the synergy circle and started spewing I/O errors for the root drive |
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| 22:32.47 | action09 | green_earz yes it works thanks ! weird |
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| 22:32.50 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 22:32.54 | enveezee | at least its that Quantum thats dying and not the new seagate |
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| 22:33.10 | FieldySnuts | oh. bot |
| 22:33.17 | FieldySnuts | mentor: hi |
| 22:33.20 | green_earz | action09: nice one, you are away with apt |
| 22:33.21 | enveezee | shitty part is thats the fucking bridge and fileserver and its root drive is dying.. so I got to reinstall |
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| 22:33.57 | action09 | green_earz i'll try apt-spy now :) |
| 22:34.03 | enveezee | actually that 2.1GB has etch on it.. but I dont know that I want to run etch on that box |
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| 22:34.54 | atom-z | I want to format a 10GB VFAT partition to reiserfs. How should I do this? |
| 22:35.03 | LightVision | has anyone installed xmms-skins, but not have them available? i think this is a bug |
| 22:35.10 | enveezee | atom-z: man mkfs.reiserfs |
| 22:35.23 | mfrisch | atom-z why reiser? |
| 22:35.33 | enveezee | ricerfs |
| 22:35.34 | eeyore- | atom-z: you trust reiserfs with *10 gb*? |
| 22:35.43 | Weems | hey enveezee |
| 22:35.47 | eeyore- | (of important stuff?) |
| 22:35.57 | mfrisch | atom-z you want ext3 |
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| 22:36.25 | LightVision | can I change from ext3 to reiser? |
| 22:36.30 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*Magnus*@*.telia.com] by dondelelcaro |
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| 22:37.07 | mfrisch | LightVision you can change from anything to anything just back it up first |
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| 22:37.19 | atom-z | eeyore-, i'm trusting it with 80GB partitions, no problems so far |
| 22:37.22 | atom-z | mfrisch, why? |
| 22:37.28 | Zapelius | hey that was nice with alsa! I never bothered setting audio up at work due to "too much work with alsa" :) |
| 22:37.30 | atom-z | enveezee, thanks |
| 22:37.40 | eeyore- | atom-z: just wait for murphy to visit :-) you have backups, i hope. |
| 22:37.51 | atom-z | its a new computer |
| 22:37.53 | LightVision | mfrisch: ok! so how do I change filesystem? |
| 22:37.55 | atom-z | whats murphy? |
| 22:38.02 | abrotman | murphy's law |
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| 22:38.08 | Zapelius | now I did that in a minute remotely. too bad that I can't hear it at officce via ssh if it really works ;) |
| 22:38.08 | enveezee | abrotman: anyone ident as Magnus from telia.com |
| 22:38.12 | enveezee | heh |
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| 22:38.15 | abrotman | enveezee: no shit sherlock |
| 22:38.17 | mfrisch | mkfs.type /dev/hd** |
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| 22:38.28 | atom-z | ugh, why would reiserfs be any less reliable than ext3? |
| 22:38.41 | eeyore- | Zapelius: "NAS" |
| 22:38.51 | dondelelcaro | atom-z: it's a totally different piece of software than ext3? |
| 22:38.54 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 22:38.55 | dpkg | filesystem comparison is probably http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 22:39.02 | abrotman | atom-z: ^^ read the xfs file from the second link |
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| 22:39.12 | mfrisch | atom-z I had personal problems..and lost data |
| 22:39.14 | enveezee | I thought I was getting closer to a functional network here now I got a dying hd on my server |
| 22:39.22 | eeyore- | Zapelius: well, no. sorry. NAS won't let you hear what's played locally :-) in fact it was made to avoid playing locally. NAS is for playing sound on your current terminla |
| 22:39.28 | enveezee | used hw never fails to be a PITA |
| 22:39.31 | abrotman | atom-z: i lied .. file is called reiserfs |
| 22:39.46 | TwistedEmotions | NAS? The rapper? |
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| 22:39.57 | Zapelius | eeyore-, :) |
| 22:40.09 | mfrisch | TwistedEmotions :-) |
| 22:40.16 | eeyore- | TwistedEmotions: no, network audio :-) |
| 22:40.18 | TwistedEmotions | Weeeee |
| 22:40.24 | TwistedEmotions | Im kidding ;) |
| 22:40.37 | eeyore- | hello, kidding |
| 22:40.38 | Clarissa | when i plug in in the interfaces the usb0 as internet connection with dhcp it tell me error no such device what now? :| |
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| 22:40.51 | FieldySnuts | usb networking is a joke, consider a real card |
| 22:40.54 | TwistedEmotions | glad I wasnt fucking. |
| 22:41.15 | TwistedEmotions | then in would be hello, fucking |
| 22:41.22 | mfrisch | Clarissa nics are cheep |
| 22:41.23 | TwistedEmotions | that would be awkward |
| 22:41.41 | atom-z | mfrisch, i see |
| 22:41.57 | TwistedEmotions | ok im going to sleep im dillusional.. gnite all. |
| 22:42.06 | eeyore- | Clarissa: yep. cheap. fast. no usb network interface is going to touch a pci-based one |
| 22:42.16 | enveezee | heh, exim is getting pissed now cause the fs went readonly to prevent the dying hd from ruining the filesystem and it cannot open its panic log |
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| 22:42.28 | mfrisch | atom-z I pick ext3 because it can use the dump/restore programs to backup. |
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| 22:42.45 | Clarissa | eeyore- i know but the problem is that my router lan port is for my brother i use the short usb cable :| |
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| 22:42.46 | eeyore- | Clarissa: you have no real reason to use a usb network interface unless you have a laptop that for some odd reason doesn't have a network port, or has one but it's blown ... |
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| 22:43.07 | eeyore- | Clarissa: plug the "router lan port" into a switch |
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| 22:43.30 | Clarissa | i dont have a switch ^^" |
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| 22:43.49 | eeyore- | Clarissa: besides some router has only one interface that can be active at one time. if you use rj45, you don't get usb, and vice versa. |
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| 22:44.17 | Clarissa | eeyore- no i can use usb lan and w-lan at the same time :) |
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| 22:44.33 | mfrisch | they make routers that take usb....?!? |
| 22:44.37 | Clarissa | its a dsl-modem + router + w-lan station in one box for 189euro |
| 22:44.40 | eeyore- | mfrisch: give-aways |
| 22:44.47 | eeyore- | mfrisch: bundled with subscriber service :) |
| 22:44.55 | mfrisch | eeyore- quality |
| 22:44.59 | eeyore- | mfrisch: low |
| 22:45.01 | Clarissa | yes mfrisch "fritzbox fon w-lan" is the box with name |
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| 22:45.03 | FieldySnuts | very low |
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| 22:45.12 | mfrisch | eeyore- ;-) |
| 22:45.15 | atom-z | mfrisch, right. |
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| 22:45.19 | FieldySnuts | usually only work in windows |
| 22:45.36 | Clarissa | thats right x.x i use it xD |
| 22:45.37 | atom-z | thing is, you always hear horror stories about people losing data to all filesystems |
| 22:45.40 | eeyore- | Clarissa: might have to teach your dhcp client what the interface's name is |
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| 22:45.58 | Clarissa | but ... at kanotix it worked too :| i think in debian i can make something to bring it to work to :) |
| 22:45.59 | eeyore- | Clarissa: which flavour of dhcp client are you using anyway? did you see its config file? |
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| 22:46.28 | sktrdie | Can anyone help me with a WLAN card? I need to make it catch auto ip with dhcp... how do I do it? |
| 22:46.32 | enveezee | oh well I am not fixing this fucker until it doesnt work anymore.. heh the root drive may be dead, but the fucking kernel and this irssi session are still happily in memory, and its still forwarding packets to the other two machines |
| 22:46.36 | Clarissa | um i dont know what it is for a dhcp client |
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| 22:46.56 | FieldySnuts | backups. if you didn't have them, i don't feel bad for ya |
| 22:46.56 | mfrisch | how many spin offs are there kanotix !?! |
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| 22:47.05 | FieldySnuts | we wouldn't know |
| 22:47.10 | dondelelcaro | mfrisch: a few hundred at least. |
| 22:47.11 | sktrdie | CLarissa: that for me? |
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| 22:47.13 | Clarissa | i dont know mfrisch |
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| 22:47.41 | Clarissa | but i´ve seen it worked there then it can work in debian too :) |
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| 22:47.48 | Clarissa | but how ._. |
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| 22:47.57 | kamaraju | What is the difference between libmagick++6 and libmagick++6c2 packages? Currently labplot depends on libmagick++6 but is not there in unstable. Should I file a bug asking the maintainer to make labplot depend on libmagick++6c2 instead of libmagick++6? |
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| 22:48.15 | enveezee | I just did 3 debian installs last night I dont feel like doing it again already |
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| 22:48.20 | Clarissa | usb0 is the wrong device for internet |
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| 22:48.44 | mfrisch | Clarissa got the modules installed |
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| 22:48.57 | Clarissa | mfrisch: how? |
| 22:49.09 | Clarissa | modprobe usbnet i typed in |
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| 22:49.19 | enveezee | kamaraju: c2 I believe is a way of the developers to know what has already been compiled against the new gcc |
| 22:49.23 | mfrisch | Clarissa apt-get install modconf;modconf |
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| 22:49.45 | enveezee | kamaraju: sid is in a transition from gcc3 to gcc4 |
| 22:49.57 | Clarissa | without internet connection and with the network install version i can use apt-get install modconf;modconf ? |
| 22:50.02 | mfrisch | Clarissa as root |
| 22:50.10 | kamaraju | enveezee: Is there any authoritative source where it says so? |
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| 22:50.32 | Reilithion | katrina has kicked New_Orleans from #Louisiana. (Reason: Excess flood.) |
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| 22:50.50 | enveezee | kamaraju: I am sure it says on lists.debian.org somewhere. google for it if you need more info |
| 22:50.50 | eeyore- | Reilithion: that's funny? |
| 22:50.51 | damog | Reilithion: That's not nice. |
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| 22:51.11 | Gathond | kamaraju: debian-devel mailinglist I assume, but really why keep any consistant information about sid when its just a moving target |
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| 22:51.13 | enveezee | heh I think its pretty funny.. hell of an accidental pun |
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| 22:51.26 | Clarissa | i try it |
| 22:51.28 | dupondje | dhclient: send_packet: Network is down <- any id why i get that ? i just upgraded kernel, with old kernel it just works perfect ! |
| 22:51.32 | kamaraju | enveezee: Should I ask the maintainer of labplot to depend on libmagick++6c2 instead of libmagick++6? |
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| 22:51.44 | Reilithion | I thought it was funny. That doesn't mean I don't have compassion for the survivors. |
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| 22:52.10 | Gathond | kamaraju: he probably knows |
| 22:52.14 | mfrisch | Clarissa get the package from debian, on another computer then, modconf is ncurses mod conf and is persistent across reboots, it adds them to /etc/modules |
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| 22:52.34 | dho | abrotman: it's still failing with ENOSYS with the SIOCSIFFLAGS ioctl. |
| 22:52.38 | enveezee | kamaraju: I dont know. I am not a developer. but way I see it is a lot of things will be broken during this transition and if something has libs that are compiled against c2, they will probably need to be updated as well before they will work |
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| 22:53.01 | abrotman | what! |
| 22:53.05 | enveezee | kamaraju: I doubt bitching will get you anywhere everyone is busy updating the code and working as quickly as possible I am sure |
| 22:53.06 | abrotman | dho: what is? |
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| 22:53.13 | abrotman | dho: did you use the broadcom.com drivers? |
| 22:53.18 | mfrisch | Clarissa I am guessing that there are dependencies you are not adding |
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| 22:53.25 | dho | abrotman: Yes. |
| 22:53.34 | abrotman | kamaraju: there's a godo reason |
| 22:53.53 | abrotman | dho: hrm .. that was all i had up my sleeve .. how did you build it ? |
| 22:54.01 | dho | abrotman: ifup ethN fails sending the SIOCSIFFLAGS ioctl with ENOSYS (as is obviated by the Function not implemented error message) |
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| 22:54.18 | abrotman | dho: did you load the module first? |
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| 22:54.30 | dho | well, first I had to install gcc 3.4 and kernel headers; simply ran make in the source directory and ran insmod on the .ko |
| 22:54.37 | abrotman | !insmod |
| 22:54.38 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 22:54.44 | kamaraju | abrotman: I did not understand your comment. Good reason for what? |
| 22:54.45 | FieldySnuts | wtf, lag |
| 22:54.46 | dho | hm. |
| 22:54.53 | abrotman | kamaraju: the dependency |
| 22:54.56 | dho | let me try this as well then. |
| 22:54.59 | abrotman | kamaraju: it's not a bug |
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| 22:55.23 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 22:55.23 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 22:55.45 | abrotman | kamaraju: there's a g++ abi transition .. all things will sort out eventually |
| 22:56.02 | dho | wait |
| 22:56.05 | dho | That doesn't make sense. |
| 22:56.07 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:56.11 | abrotman | why not |
| 22:56.18 | dho | If there were dependencies, the module wouldn't load at all, since it would have unresolved symbols. |
| 22:56.29 | abrotman | dho: maybe .. maybe not .. don't use insmod :) |
| 22:56.39 | dho | and afaict the only other thing it needs is mii, which is already loaded. |
| 22:56.42 | eeyore- | dho: insmod doesn't check dependencies |
| 22:56.44 | dondelelcaro | you can use insmod, but you should know exactly what you're doing |
| 22:56.52 | abrotman | see .. they're smarter than me |
| 22:56.59 | abrotman | well .. dondelelcaro is .. not sure about the donkey |
| 22:57.01 | dho | It doesn't matter. A module won't load when it depends on symbols exported by other modules. |
| 22:57.10 | dho | (which aren't loaded) |
| 22:57.12 | abrotman | depmod ? |
| 22:57.15 | dho | and the module loads and probes the nics. |
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| 22:57.35 | dondelelcaro | (of course, considering that you'd need to run depmod to even get modprobe to work properly, in this case it doesn't really make a difference) |
| 22:58.01 | eeyore- | abrotman: :-) |
| 22:58.13 | dho | Fine I'll use modprobe, but I guarantee it won't make a difference |
| 22:58.21 | abrotman | dho: better safe than sorry .. |
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| 22:58.59 | dondelelcaro | the real reason that factoid is there is because many people don't know how to load the dependent modules themselves... |
| 22:59.12 | eeyore- | dho: wait, if you don't get firmware file loaded, that's hotplug's problem |
| 22:59.35 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: depends on the driver; many look for the firmware in a specific place |
| 22:59.40 | abrotman | eeyore-: he's tried the kernel driver .. and the broadcom driver |
| 22:59.43 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: hmm |
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| 23:00.03 | lg | hello |
| 23:00.07 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: the only nic i have that wants firmware file is prism :) |
| 23:00.22 | dupondje | dhclient: send_packet: Network is down <- any id why i get that ? i just upgraded kernel, with old kernel it just works perfect ! |
| 23:00.24 | lg | where i can find log of invoke-rc.d execution? |
| 23:00.25 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: yeah, I was playing with whatever the ipw2200 tla (?) one is |
| 23:00.29 | dupondje | and i also get: SIOCSIFFLAGS : device busy |
| 23:00.57 | dondelelcaro | dupondje: is this a kernel you built yourself? |
| 23:01.03 | dupondje | yea |
| 23:01.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell dupondje -about kernel options for dhcp |
| 23:01.14 | dondelelcaro | dupondje: make sure the options dpkg told you about are built in |
| 23:01.30 | lg | !tell lg -about invoke-rc.d |
| 23:01.53 | dondelelcaro | lg: there really isn't a log for that sort of thing; what usage of it were you thinking about? |
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| 23:02.22 | lg | im trying to start some script, and it doest do anything |
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| 23:02.30 | dondelelcaro | (the only things that should really be running invoke-rc.d are maintainer scripts and scripts of people who have read and understood the policy-rc.d and invoke-rc.d documentation) |
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| 23:02.38 | lg | it doesnt run desired process |
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| 23:02.46 | dondelelcaro | lg: which script? what is the exat output of the script? |
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| 23:03.05 | dondelelcaro | lg: use the paster bot to paste the /etc/default/<foo> corresponding to the script |
| 23:03.21 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS!!! |
| 23:03.21 | lg | pisun:~# invoke-rc.d mldonkey-server start |
| 23:03.22 | lg | pisun:~# |
| 23:03.26 | FieldySnuts | yonkeltron: huh? |
| 23:03.38 | dondelelcaro | lg: again, don't use invoke-rc.d; just /etc/mldonkey-server start; |
| 23:03.57 | dondelelcaro | s#etc#etc/init.d# |
| 23:03.57 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: jewish |
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| 23:04.05 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: Shabbot |
| 23:04.06 | FieldySnuts | er |
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| 23:04.17 | dondelelcaro | it's now the sabbath in some parts of the planet (east coast) |
| 23:04.21 | abrotman | or whatever we translate it too |
| 23:04.23 | lg | same |
| 23:04.25 | lg | pisun:/boof/mldonkey# /etc/init.d/mldonkey-server start |
| 23:04.25 | lg | pisun:/boof/mldonkey# |
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| 23:04.29 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: not quite .. but in about 10 minutes |
| 23:04.31 | dupondje | huh, socket filtering, can't find that :s |
| 23:04.31 | dondelelcaro | lg: no need to paste here. |
| 23:04.34 | abrotman | well .. at least at my location |
| 23:04.40 | lg | sorry |
| 23:04.49 | dho | abrotman: No dependencies |
| 23:04.54 | abrotman | oh .. well .. based on yonkeltron's IP .. he's not that far from me |
| 23:04.58 | dondelelcaro | lg: add the set -x to the top of the script, or read it to see where it is failing. |
| 23:04.59 | lg | any ideas whats the problem? |
| 23:05.04 | abrotman | dho: still no workie ? |
| 23:05.14 | dho | abrotman: nope |
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| 23:05.27 | lg | is there a way to get a log of it? |
| 23:05.35 | abrotman | dho: those broadcom things used to always work |
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| 23:05.40 | abrotman | dho: it built successfully ? |
| 23:05.42 | dondelelcaro | lg: add set -x right under the shebang line, and you'll get a log. |
| 23:05.44 | dho | yep |
| 23:06.30 | dupondje | (Networking Options -> Socket Filtering) <- where can i find that ? really can't see it in menuconfig :s |
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| 23:06.48 | dho | I find it funny that they've no make install target. |
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| 23:06.54 | dho | s/make // |
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| 23:07.00 | dli | the spammer has silenced? |
| 23:07.02 | FieldySnuts | it's a kernel, not some silly app |
| 23:07.05 | FieldySnuts | what spammer |
| 23:07.11 | lg | u mean inside /etc/init.d/mldonkey-server add -x line? |
| 23:07.14 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.20 | dondelelcaro | lg: set -x; yes. |
| 23:07.33 | abrotman | dho: you did the BASP or not? |
| 23:07.35 | deadcat | ldexter: sh -x /etc/init.d/blah start |
| 23:07.38 | dondelelcaro | dupondje: look at the .config file, and you'll see the options around it. |
| 23:07.51 | dho | BASP? |
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| 23:08.05 | abrotman | dho: what did you download ? |
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| 23:08.37 | atom-z | ok... seen as this is a very new install, is it worth me re-installing onto ext3 partitions, as opposed to reiserfs partitions? (in terms of the fact that I dont want to lose data?) |
| 23:08.44 | abrotman | dho: linux-8.2.18.zip ?? |
| 23:08.47 | dho | ah, not the BASP driver. |
| 23:08.51 | atom-z | is reiserfs still somewhat unstable, even on a 2.6.11 kernel? |
| 23:08.59 | dho | Should I try that one instead? |
| 23:09.01 | abrotman | dho: well .. it built fine here |
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| 23:09.07 | dupondje | CONFIG_NETFILTER=y |
| 23:09.09 | abrotman | dho: not the basp one . the normal .. i don't know the difference |
| 23:09.09 | dupondje | same ? |
| 23:09.18 | dupondje | cause i can't find: CONFIG_FILTER :s |
| 23:09.18 | SerajewelKS | holy crap |
| 23:09.19 | lg | hmm i dont get where there might be a problem :/ |
| 23:09.23 | SerajewelKS | gpdf is sexy |
| 23:09.28 | dho | This is a dual opteron system. |
| 23:09.43 | dho | But that shouldn't matter. Unless Linux is particularly flaky on it. |
| 23:09.48 | abrotman | dho: moment |
| 23:09.51 | dho | Ok. |
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| 23:11.05 | abrotman | dho: it just loaded fine for me |
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| 23:11.16 | dho | It loads fine |
| 23:11.20 | abrotman | dho: and i have eth1 |
| 23:11.23 | dho | And probes the nics |
| 23:11.34 | dho | and ifconfig eth[12] gives output |
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| 23:11.47 | deadcat | why is that i cant see non-ascii text on some terminal? say screen1 is ok but the rest of screens dont display the chars correctly. |
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| 23:11.54 | dho | running ifconfig by itself does not |
| 23:12.05 | abrotman | dho: ifconfig -a |
| 23:12.08 | dho | and running ifup eth[12] returns ENOSYS |
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| 23:12.26 | dho | ifconfig eth[12] up has the same problem. |
| 23:12.32 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: depends on what your TERM is set to and if screen thinks it can display those values? |
| 23:12.39 | dondelelcaro | s#\?## |
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| 23:12.45 | dho | they probe fine; ifconfig will list them if I use ifconfig -a; assigning an IP address and attempting to use it fails |
| 23:12.47 | abrotman | dho: nope .. works great .. i just ifup eth1 |
| 23:12.53 | kamaraju | In debian is there any software to plot streamlines? |
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| 23:13.01 | abrotman | dho: but you're running 64bit sarge? |
| 23:13.05 | dho | Yep. |
| 23:13.14 | abrotman | dho: that's a binary driver |
| 23:13.14 | dondelelcaro | kamaraju: R probably can, gnuplot may be able to as well. |
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| 23:13.26 | dho | abrotman: Right, I unloaded it and built this one. |
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| 23:13.28 | Gathond | streamlines? |
| 23:13.30 | abrotman | dho: you used the true 64bit debian ? |
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| 23:13.33 | FieldySnuts | sifl and ollie! |
| 23:13.33 | dho | I got the same error with the binary one. |
| 23:13.37 | Gathond | octave probably can though |
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| 23:13.47 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i am using xterm with few screens, all are set to xterm, screen1 is the only one that can see my prompt correcly |
| 23:13.50 | abrotman | dho: might want to ask #debian-amd64 |
| 23:13.50 | dho | Though it was also whining about not being able to load the firmware. |
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| 23:14.01 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: strange |
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| 23:14.19 | abrotman | dho: i'm not sure about the firmware .. that's why i suggested the broadcom driver |
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| 23:14.40 | dho | Yeah. |
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| 23:14.46 | dho | I'm asking there now in any case; thanks. |
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| 23:14.50 | dondelelcaro | dho: was there anything usefull in dmesg? |
| 23:14.56 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he said yes |
| 23:15.04 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it would load it .. but he couldn't get it to take an IP |
| 23:15.17 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: hrmmm |
| 23:15.29 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: the kernel one complained about firmware .. and the broadcom complained about IOCTL or some crap |
| 23:15.40 | abrotman | yay amd64 :) |
| 23:15.42 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/screen/xwd_20050902_12420.png |
| 23:15.54 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he trotted off to #debian-amd64 i think |
| 23:16.10 | beardy | moo |
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| 23:17.47 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:17.47 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
| 23:18.08 | beardy | :) |
| 23:18.19 | kvidell | HAHA |
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| 23:18.49 | enveezee | unrelated, but something I wonder.. if Apple stops making ppc computers does anyone else make them, and will the development on open source ppc software die of because of it? |
| 23:19.11 | atom-z | it wont die |
| 23:19.16 | atom-z | but it would lessen greatly |
| 23:19.25 | atom-z | i would think |
| 23:19.34 | dondelelcaro | enveezee: probably not for a while... there are a lot of other things that use ppc devices |
| 23:19.43 | enveezee | I still havent really had a ppc of my own yet.. by time I get one it will be an antique |
| 23:20.04 | beardy | Not sure if anyone else makes ppc machines, but I think so. The development will continue I think. |
| 23:20.50 | beardy | There should be alot of ppc Macs around that people will use for a long time. |
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| 23:21.24 | dondelelcaro | we've still got people supporting m68k, and non-embedded m68ks haven't been made in quite some time |
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| 23:22.05 | asuffield | beardy: IBM. mostly server-class systems |
| 23:22.10 | Gathond | beardy: IBM does :) |
| 23:22.16 | beardy | Ok |
| 23:22.18 | Gathond | beardy: the whole Power line :) |
| 23:22.21 | enveezee | did apple use those too before ppc? |
| 23:22.24 | Gathond | from mainframe and down :) |
| 23:22.30 | asuffield | beardy: almost their entire RS/6k line is powerpc, plus anything else with power3 or later in it |
| 23:22.34 | Gathond | although probably not any PC class systems |
| 23:22.37 | asuffield | Gathond: those aren't mainframes |
| 23:22.52 | asuffield | s/390 is the IBM mainframe platform |
| 23:22.57 | Gathond | asuffield: ahh, true |
| 23:23.10 | dupondje | CONFIG_FILTER is an unknown option in 2.6.13 ??!! |
| 23:23.16 | FieldySnuts | it is? |
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| 23:23.49 | Gathond | dupondje: might be in the whole 2.6 series ... either CONFIG_FILTER or CONFIG_PACKET entered some always there state of being |
| 23:24.26 | dupondje | can't get that damn kernel working :'( |
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| 23:25.07 | enveezee | the clock must be horribly wrong on this system |
| 23:25.29 | enveezee | not really anything I can do about it from here.. the hd died about an hour ago :P |
| 23:25.39 | deadcat | xorg in testing yet? |
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| 23:27.01 | enveezee | !+info xserver-xorg etch |
| 23:27.03 | dpkg | Package 'xserver-xorg' does not exist. |
| 23:27.14 | whatever | hey guys, I did some searching and didn't come up with much.. I'm trying to move /var BACK to / as its currently mounted to a different hdd. I copied it in hopes to simply unmount the hdd and throw the info back into the root /var, but I can't seem to un-mount /var, even using -f. Anyone have ideas or suggestions? thx much. |
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| 23:27.46 | FieldySnuts | do it in single user mode, something is probably in use on /var when you are in multi user mode |
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| 23:28.12 | enveezee | whatever: goto runlevel 1, unmount it and mount it somewhere else like /mnt and then mv the data |
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| 23:28.16 | FieldySnuts | be sure to take out or comment out /var in /etc/fstab , or you won't be happy next time you boot |
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| 23:28.21 | whatever | fieldysnuts: yeah, problem with that is the server is like....2 hours away. |
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| 23:28.31 | whatever | fieldysnuts: right |
| 23:28.37 | FieldySnuts | have to get somebody to help then, sorry, no other way |
| 23:28.43 | rleigh | enveezee: If I could afford a nice IBM OpenPower system, I'd buy one tomorrow. Unlike Apple hardware, they cost serious $$$$. |
| 23:28.53 | FieldySnuts | some things just cannot be done remotely |
| 23:29.11 | Rockret | programs from "testing" is safe ? |
| 23:29.11 | enveezee | IBM and Apple both make good portable systems |
| 23:29.22 | enveezee | Apple's are still more solid though from what I've seen |
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| 23:29.48 | enveezee | I always strength test portable electronics before buying |
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| 23:30.02 | whatever | enveezee: hm, think I could make a command like runlevel 1 && ...command && ...command && runlevel 3 |
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| 23:30.17 | CountZ | damn what is this shit... grsec: From 80.111.22.49: denied resource overstep by requesting 1024 for RLIMIT_NOFILE against limit 1024 for /usr/sbin/apache[apache:26203] |
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| 23:30.22 | enveezee | make sure they dont give in to their own weight, or easily damaged in their target environment |
| 23:30.26 | whatever | fieldysnuts: heh, yeah, but I have this thing of not giving up |
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| 23:30.30 | CountZ | where do I change RLIMIT_NOFILE |
| 23:30.31 | FieldySnuts | CountZ: ask grsecurity people |
| 23:30.33 | CountZ | ok |
| 23:31.00 | FieldySnuts | whatever: i'm an admin, you will not be doing this in anything but single user mode, sorry |
| 23:31.07 | CountZ | the #grsecurity channel is sending me to ##unavailble |
| 23:31.09 | CountZ | how annoying |
| 23:31.13 | FieldySnuts | you can go for it in multi, but you will have major problems |
| 23:31.24 | FieldySnuts | and probably lose stuff. have backups. |
| 23:31.25 | Gathond | CountZ: basically a result of grsecurity making the kernel enforce those resource allocations, not quite sure exactly what RLIMIT_NOFILE is though |
| 23:31.50 | whatever | fieldysnuts: ....thats why I'm asking if I can send it a command to switch over to 1, execute them, and then leave back to 3-5 :P |
| 23:31.58 | CountZ | Gathond: obviously any error I will ever get regarding grsecurity is a result of grsecurity making the kernel enforce some restrictions... |
| 23:32.01 | rleigh | enveezee: http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/openpower/hardware/720_options.html |
| 23:32.10 | CountZ | it's just that I never got such an error before |
| 23:32.20 | Gathond | CountZ: might be settable through ulimit |
| 23:32.21 | FieldySnuts | i know how you feel though, i take care of one remote system, thankfully there is a guy with a half-clue (okay less), who i could babytalk through what i need done once in a great while. if you've got a remote system that nobody can help with, someone needs larted |
| 23:32.31 | CountZ | hm |
| 23:32.39 | CountZ | ulimit gives me 'unlimited' |
| 23:32.53 | FieldySnuts | ulimit has no relation whatsoever to grsecurity's limits |
| 23:33.06 | FieldySnuts | grsecuritys limits would override it anyway, grsecurity is kernel level |
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| 23:33.30 | Gathond | CountZ: man setrlimit |
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| 23:33.38 | whatever | fieldysnuts: heheheh, yeah, dangit, I hate it that I'm the only one who has half a clue as to what I'm doing in the groups of people I know. well, thanks for your insight man. |
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| 23:33.55 | CountZ | thanks |
| 23:34.00 | FieldySnuts | not how you set these things in grsecurity... friendly hint: read up a LOT on grsecurity, easy to hose your system hard if you are just poking around blindly like that. |
| 23:34.04 | Gathond | CountZ: its the maximum number of files a process can open (or the limit is +1) so your apache attempts to open one to many files |
| 23:34.13 | CountZ | yes so it seems |
| 23:34.19 | CountZ | I don't have setrlimit on my system, however |
| 23:34.19 | FieldySnuts | and once again, grsecurity overrides that |
| 23:34.35 | FieldySnuts | heh brb |
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| 23:35.09 | Gathond | CountZ: its a manpage |
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| 23:35.23 | Gathond | CountZ: ulimit -a for seeing the current limit I think |
| 23:35.30 | dupondje | dondelelcaro: i can't find CONFIG_FILTER |
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| 23:35.38 | dupondje | not in menuconfig :s |
| 23:35.51 | CountZ | thanks |
| 23:36.10 | Gathond | CountZ: and ulimit -n to just select that one, ulimit -n newnumber to set it to newnumber (note must be root to raise it) |
| 23:36.30 | CountZ | I am root everywhere |
| 23:36.31 | CountZ | ;-) |
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| 23:39.13 | Echelon | does anybody know a way of assigning users a default ip |
| 23:39.21 | Echelon | and forcing them to use only that ip |
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| 23:39.38 | dli | Echelon, dhcp based on MAC? |
| 23:39.44 | Echelon | nono |
| 23:39.49 | ApEtc | Set it static? |
| 23:39.50 | dvs | dli: on user id |
| 23:39.51 | Echelon | i am talking about ircd shells |
| 23:40.03 | Echelon | i want to make people use a specific ip assigned to them |
| 23:40.11 | Echelon | and not allow them to get assigned to any other ip |
| 23:40.19 | Echelon | but the one(s) they're permitted |
| 23:40.31 | dli | Echelon, that's a bad idea, I'm on dhcp |
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| 23:42.32 | CountZ | Gathond: That's very good, I indeed noticed it was limited to 1024 |
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| 23:42.41 | CountZ | Gathond: I don't understand why it was set to 1024 |
| 23:42.58 | action09 | i can't install cacti on sSarge |
| 23:42.58 | CountZ | Is there a location in debian with defaults for these values? |
| 23:43.01 | Gathond | CountZ: it worket? |
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| 23:43.08 | CountZ | Gathond: Yes, I changed it to 16550 |
| 23:43.15 | CountZ | Gathond: No more complaints from grsec |
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| 23:43.16 | Gathond | CountZ: not sure /etc/environment perhaps |
| 23:43.17 | Echelon | bleh |
| 23:43.27 | Echelon | i dont think dli really understood what i wanted to do |
| 23:43.30 | CountZ | no such directory |
| 23:43.33 | Echelon | what im doing is running an ircd shell company |
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| 23:44.13 | Echelon | and i want to configure the shell server to restrict users |
| 23:44.24 | Echelon | to specific ip addresses |
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| 23:45.19 | Gathond | CountZ: there is probably some other place, but you might not want it to apply for everything |
| 23:45.35 | Gathond | CountZ: since most applications would not need that number of files really |
| 23:45.36 | CountZ | I do... |
| 23:45.41 | CountZ | well, globally |
| 23:45.52 | CountZ | this box has an apache which serves quite a lot of web sites |
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| 23:45.58 | CountZ | so it does need to access quite a lot of files |
| 23:46.04 | Gathond | CountZ: so only apache needs to |
| 23:46.11 | CountZ | yes |
| 23:46.20 | CountZ | I wonder why I never saw this error before today |
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| 23:46.23 | Gathond | CountZ: so my point is why not just make apaches init script change the value for apache |
| 23:46.29 | CountZ | I've been running this grsec enabled kernel for 2 weeks |
| 23:46.40 | CountZ | Gathond: I was under the impression it already did that... |
| 23:46.40 | [reed] | Why does testing have a 5.x mysql-common package when everything else is 4.x? |
| 23:46.42 | [reed] | Setting up mysql-common (5.0.7beta-1) ... |
| 23:46.42 | [reed] | Setting up mysql-client (4.0.24-10) ... |
| 23:46.42 | [reed] | Setting up mysql-server (4.0.24-10) ... |
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| 23:46.52 | [reed] | that's wrong |
| 23:46.54 | [reed] | heh |
| 23:46.54 | husein | i have gcc-4.0 and i want gcc-3.3.6 how can i do? |
| 23:46.56 | CountZ | [reed]: I noticed this as well, and was wondering about it |
| 23:47.07 | [reed] | CountZ: I can't get mysql working because of it |
| 23:47.09 | CountZ | husein: You can install both, and work with either of them based on what you need |
| 23:47.17 | CountZ | husein: By setting the GCC environment variable |
| 23:47.21 | Gathond | CountZ: what did you do? |
| 23:47.28 | CountZ | [reed]: Why are you on testing anyway...?! |
| 23:47.29 | kamaraju | husein: apt-get install gcc-3.3? |
| 23:47.35 | CountZ | Gathond: I didn't do anything yet |
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| 23:47.52 | CountZ | Gathond: The drive had errors, and today I had someone reboot it and answer Yes to all questions by fsck.ext3 |
| 23:47.53 | Gathond | CountZ: but I meant that as a way to make it permanent for apache after a reboot without making it permanent for everything on the machine |
| 23:47.56 | [reed] | CountZ: because it has more up-to-date stuff (but not as bad as unstable) |
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| 23:48.05 | husein | kamaraju: with no errors? |
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| 23:48.21 | kamaraju | husein: Most probably yes. |
| 23:48.23 | CountZ | [reed]: gotcha... what I did to fix this was go temporarily to stable, install mysql, then go back to testing |
| 23:48.29 | CountZ | and then hold back those packages |
| 23:48.39 | husein | kamaraju: and? |
| 23:48.39 | [reed] | well, I need to file a bug on that |
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| 23:49.14 | kamaraju | husein: Just apt-get it and you will have gcc-3.3. End of the story |
| 23:49.16 | Gathond | [reed]: that is interesting as mysql-common in sid links to mysql-common-4.1 not 5 actually |
| 23:49.24 | [reed] | heh |
| 23:49.26 | [reed] | crazy |
| 23:49.34 | Inssomniak | uhm, using a debian network install CD, it didnt bring up my eth0? |
| 23:49.45 | CountZ | Gathond: I found /etc/sysctl.conf I think I may be able to set ulimit values through that |
| 23:49.57 | CountZ | Inssomniak: What device is it? |
| 23:50.09 | CountZ | Inssomniak: I had the same issue with a Marvell Yukon 1gbe network adapter |
| 23:50.18 | Inssomniak | CountZ, it uses via-rhine module, and it is loaded |
| 23:50.23 | Inssomniak | CountZ, but not up |
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| 23:50.38 | CountZ | Inssomniak: you could press ALT-F2 to get a console and try to bring it up |
| 23:50.44 | Inssomniak | CountZ, How? |
| 23:50.48 | CountZ | see why it fails, if it does fail |
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| 23:50.59 | CountZ | do it the gentoo way then |
| 23:51.03 | CountZ | ifconfig and stuff |
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| 23:51.05 | Inssomniak | I tried lol |
| 23:51.08 | Inssomniak | no dhcpcd |
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| 23:51.21 | CountZ | what do you need dhcpd for? just set some ip |
| 23:51.22 | Gathond | CountZ: perhaps, if you really want that to apply for every user and every process :) |
| 23:51.35 | Inssomniak | CountZ, ifconfig just says no such device (eth0) |
| 23:51.36 | CountZ | Gathond: well all this machine does is apache |
| 23:51.48 | CountZ | Inssomniak: So it did NOT detect the device |
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| 23:52.01 | CountZ | Inssomniak: Makes sense - the installer would definitely be able to bring it up if it was properly detected |
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| 23:52.19 | CountZ | Inssomniak: Sometimes you need to pass certain parameters to the module, the installer prompts you for those sometimes |
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| 23:53.29 | Inssomniak | the module loaded, its just a PCI card generic |
| 23:53.42 | Inssomniak | never had to pass anything else to it before, using gentoo |
| 23:53.51 | dvs | Inssomniak: What does netstat say? |
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| 23:54.13 | CountZ | dvs: if ifconfig does not see any devices, how is netstat going to help!? |
| 23:54.40 | CountZ | Inssomniak: It is neigh possible your gentoo distro has a different (maybe better) driver |
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| 23:54.51 | Inssomniak | I wouldnt think no |
| 23:54.59 | CountZ | I would |
| 23:55.05 | CountZ | I've seen such things so many times |
| 23:55.32 | dvs | CountZ: Did you use the "linux26" boot option? I'd try that. |
| 23:55.38 | dvs | Oops |
| 23:55.42 | dvs | I mean Inssomniak |
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| 23:56.08 | CountZ | In fact even the latest linux kernel fails to distribute a proper device driver for Marvel Yukon 1000 network card... you have to download the latest linux source from the german manufacturer, to have it properly working |
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| 23:56.20 | CountZ | So it is not unusual for certain distros to make it nicer for its users |
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| 23:56.30 | startxwhite | has anyone installed libc6_2.3.5-4_i386.deb en sarge? |
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| 23:56.42 | CountZ | startxwhite: not me |
| 23:57.01 | dondelelcaro | !+info libc6 sarge |
| 23:57.04 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 23:57.11 | dondelelcaro | startxwhite: you almost definetly don't want to do that |
| 23:57.34 | dondelelcaro | startxwhite: backport what you actually need against the libc6 that is already in sarge |
| 23:58.12 | Inssomniak | this sucks |
| 23:58.24 | Inssomniak | try to modprobe -r via_rhine and segfaults all over |
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| 23:59.17 | FieldySnuts | no thanks |
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| 23:59.50 | startxwhite | you see i am a debian newbie who wnats to install a deb package xmame -0.99 |
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