| 00:00.20 | startxwhite | backport? what is that? newbie langauge plz! |
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| 00:01.25 | dvs | !backport |
| 00:01.25 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 00:03.11 | Inssomniak | well I changed the network card, and i have an eth0 now |
| 00:03.17 | Inssomniak | but still doesnt connect to the internet |
| 00:03.30 | Inssomniak | ifconfig eth0 up dont work |
| 00:03.36 | startxwhite | i run sarge and the xmame packages i want to install are located at http://rioken.homelinux.net/deb/base/packages/ |
| 00:03.36 | Inssomniak | ifup eth0 dont work |
| 00:03.50 | dvs | Inssomniak: What does "uname -r" say? |
| 00:04.17 | startxwhite | http://rioken.homelinux.net/deb/ mentions no backporting at all |
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| 00:04.28 | Inssomniak | dvs, 2.6.8-2 |
| 00:05.16 | Inssomniak | old |
| 00:05.37 | [reed] | CountZ: filed a bug on it |
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| 00:05.58 | dvs | Inssomniak: Hmmm... the sarge installer should have at least tried to use dhcp |
| 00:06.04 | CountZ | [reed]: cool |
| 00:06.14 | startxwhite | mentions no backporting at all and i think the packages are meant for sarge not sid, right? |
| 00:06.18 | CountZ | [reed]: I think the people there lack methodologies |
| 00:06.32 | CountZ | [reed]: such things could be avoided if proper release methodologies were used |
| 00:06.38 | CountZ | sometimes you need scripts to do a person's job |
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| 00:07.35 | Inssomniak | dvs how do I tell this installer manually to use dhcp? |
| 00:07.39 | Leoq8 | hi |
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| 00:08.12 | Inssomniak | this is my first experience with debian, and I cant even get past the install |
| 00:08.18 | dvs | Inssomniak: I'd just edit the /etc/network/interfaces file to do it |
| 00:08.20 | dondelelcaro | Inssomniak: it tries dhcp automatically; if you need to do it manually, pull up the menu and run the autoconfiguration again |
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| 00:09.13 | [reed] | CountZ: hehe, yeah |
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| 00:09.25 | Leoq8 | help installing Conexant modem on Debian |
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| 00:12.20 | Leoq8 | help ----------> installing Conexant modem... |
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| 00:14.07 | magi | does anyone know if there is a package for zebra in stable? |
| 00:14.34 | erich | Magi: use packages.debian.org. try packages.debian.org/zebra |
| 00:14.54 | magi | erich, thx |
| 00:15.50 | Leoq8 | help, I failed to install Conexant modem on Debian |
| 00:15.55 | erich | magi: and then have a look at http://packages.debian.org/quagga |
| 00:15.57 | Leoq8 | any idea.. |
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| 00:16.09 | erich | Leoq8: there are dozens of them. use google. google for your laptop and "linux". |
| 00:16.18 | erich | and try to find out which driver you need. |
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| 00:16.25 | erich | and if there is a linux driver at all. |
| 00:16.34 | mfrisch | what is a good cdrecord frontend these days? |
| 00:16.48 | Maneit | k3b |
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| 00:16.56 | nekron | i have a problem with udev in unstable.. so i install the linux-image-2.6.12? |
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| 00:17.35 | mfrisch | Maneit is it good. what about gnome |
| 00:17.49 | Inssomniak | ok my non working net card has an IP, and only shows up with an ifconfig -a, ifconfig eth0 just errors "device or resoruce busy", yet it isnt even up! |
| 00:18.04 | nekron | abrotman, can you help me? |
| 00:18.09 | Maneit | mfrisch: It's the best there is. imo. Better than any windows app I've tried :) |
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| 00:18.34 | covux | Leoq8: what do youve tried? is it a laptop? |
| 00:18.43 | mfrisch | Maneit that is a given... I use to like gcombust can't find it. |
| 00:18.43 | magi | erich, quagga was what i was looking for , gracias |
| 00:18.52 | erich | mfrisch: k3b is good even if you don't like kde. gnome natilus-cd-burner is very minimal but easy to use. graveman and gnome-baker look interesting, too, but are work in progres.. they can do the basics though. |
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| 00:19.07 | Inssomniak | ifconfig -a shows an eth0, "ifup eth0" says no such device.... gay |
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| 00:19.19 | Leoq8 | yes, HP pavilion, modem: Conexant 56K ACLink |
| 00:19.28 | erich | Inssomniak: most likely because eth0 isn't listed in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:19.31 | nekron | i have a problem with udev in unstable.. so i install the linux-image-2.6.12? |
| 00:19.39 | Leoq8 | I failed to find a driver... :( |
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| 00:19.46 | Inssomniak | erich, this is a fresh brand new install I cant even complete |
| 00:19.48 | covux | tell Leoq8 about Conexant |
| 00:20.48 | erich | nekron: udev in unstable mentioned something in the changelog it won't work properly with older kernels I think |
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| 00:21.02 | dvs | erich: 2.6.12 should be OK |
| 00:21.18 | nekron | erich, yes.. the i have to install linux-image-2.6.12?? |
| 00:21.26 | nekron | *then |
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| 00:21.40 | bobmutch | where is the admin channel |
| 00:21.45 | FieldySnuts | huh? |
| 00:21.50 | mfrisch | Maneit erich THANKS |
| 00:22.02 | erich | nekron: udev says so in its description. |
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| 00:22.18 | bobmutch | for getting unbanned |
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| 00:22.31 | bobmutch | so efnet type wienie banned me over in php |
| 00:22.40 | FieldySnuts | who cares? thi sisn't efnet |
| 00:22.47 | bobmutch | no no no |
| 00:22.50 | Inssomniak | the latest network install CD uses 2.6.8-2 for latest kernel? |
| 00:22.51 | bobmutch | it was on freenet |
| 00:22.57 | FieldySnuts | still |
| 00:23.00 | nekron | I only want to know, if I install linux-image-2.6.12 my problems will finished? |
| 00:23.00 | bobmutch | but he is a efnet gun slinger |
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| 00:23.03 | dvs | Inssomniak: Yes, the latest stable |
| 00:23.04 | nekron | *will finish |
| 00:23.16 | FieldySnuts | bobmutch: what does this have to do with debian? |
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| 00:23.38 | erich | bobmutch: the network admins rarely ever will interfere with the channel ops. |
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| 00:23.58 | erich | bobmutch: but there is #freenode probably, since this is the freenode network... |
| 00:23.59 | Rockret | any good site with friendly help to compile kernel ? and exist kernel-image to 386 ... 2.6.13 (stable) ? |
| 00:24.09 | bobmutch | ok |
| 00:24.12 | bobmutch | #freenode |
| 00:24.19 | erich | Rockret: I've heard there are some issues with 2.6.13 |
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| 00:25.19 | Rockret | erich, do you know good site to help ? |
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| 00:25.34 | erich | Rockret: check out the kernel-package package. |
| 00:25.46 | dvs | !kp |
| 00:25.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 00:25.48 | erich | Rockret: that is a tool to compile a kernel and build a nice debian package out of it. |
| 00:26.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell Rockret -about kp mantra |
| 00:26.04 | d0nk | hi |
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| 00:27.07 | dondelelcaro | Rockret: that should get you started... |
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| 00:28.07 | Inssomniak | a basic simple network card that is used in billions of computers worldwide, and I cant use it to install debian |
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| 00:28.29 | dondelelcaro | Inssomniak: you're going to have to give a bit more details than that... |
| 00:28.40 | erich | Inssomniak: because you try to brute force it without using the menus of the debian-installer I guess |
| 00:28.42 | dvs | dondelelcaro: Can't get dhcp working |
| 00:28.45 | Rockret | well .. making "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" .. are 25 Mb |
| 00:29.00 | dondelelcaro | Inssomniak: what network card are we talking about here? do you see it when you drop to a console? |
| 00:29.03 | Inssomniak | erich, I am using the menus of the debian installer, and there is no autoconfigurator in my menu |
| 00:29.07 | Rockret | first step .. I think |
| 00:29.10 | FieldySnuts | nothing like DSL deciding to fsck up on a friday night |
| 00:29.22 | Inssomniak | dondelelcaro, I see it in lspci, I KNOW it uses the via-rhine module, and I know it works |
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| 00:29.28 | FieldySnuts | 29dB of loss on the freakin line, 32 is enough to kill it |
| 00:29.34 | dvs | FieldySnuts: Sounds like Sympatico ;-) |
| 00:29.36 | FieldySnuts | somewhere outside, my stuff is fine |
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| 00:29.42 | Jacky | Salut |
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| 00:29.58 | erich | Inssomniak: well, since the module is loaded, what do you need an autoconfiguratormaticfoo for? |
| 00:30.04 | Jacky | je suis français |
| 00:30.14 | erich | Inssomniak: did you try picking "configure network" or so in the menu? |
| 00:30.18 | Jacky | i'm french |
| 00:30.19 | Kcd | Jacky, ce n'est donc pas le bon channl |
| 00:30.22 | FieldySnuts | business / pro service too, making as much noise as I can (no pun) </rant> |
| 00:30.26 | FieldySnuts | ~fr |
| 00:30.28 | apt | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 00:30.31 | Kcd | Jacky, -> #debian-fr |
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| 00:30.48 | Inssomniak | erich, I correct myself, the card isnt showing in lspci, for some reason. |
| 00:30.52 | Kcd | thanks apt :þ |
| 00:30.59 | Jacky | debian fr ok merci |
| 00:31.01 | benit | hi, after an upgrade (libc6 upgrade) i think the ia32-libs dosent work correctly |
| 00:31.17 | benit | ./quake3.x86: relocation error: /emul/ia32-linux/lib/tls/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_starting_up, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 00:31.20 | erich | Inssomniak: oh, definitely debians fault. lspci is very debian specific. maybe the card died? |
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| 00:31.36 | FieldySnuts | debian specific? |
| 00:31.38 | benit | anyone know where i can find a solution? |
| 00:31.50 | Inssomniak | erich, Ijust booted a gentoo boot CD, and it worked fine 2 minutes ago |
| 00:31.52 | FieldySnuts | benit: probably from ID or something |
| 00:31.59 | Inssomniak | erich, I have been using the card all day |
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| 00:32.11 | benit | FieldySnuts: libc6 errors are from id? |
| 00:32.18 | erich | Inssomniak: does it show up in lspci in gentoo? |
| 00:32.19 | FieldySnuts | *plonk* |
| 00:32.28 | Inssomniak | erich, yup |
| 00:32.30 | erich | Inssomniak: I've NEVER seen working pci hardware not show up in lspci. |
| 00:32.49 | Inssomniak | erich, you tellin me, I have run many linuxes on this card, and this is the only distro that cant see it |
| 00:33.10 | FieldySnuts | erich: sometimes lame win-hardware like many wireless cards that must have closed binary firmware uploaded won't show up until you do so |
| 00:33.19 | erich | Inssomniak: well, good luck. without me. bye. |
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| 00:34.10 | FieldySnuts | as if it's a distro issue. |
| 00:34.20 | FieldySnuts | sounds more like user error |
| 00:34.23 | dondelelcaro | Inssomniak: so you loaded the appropriate module, and then what? do you see it in ifconfig -a; in the console? does it show up in dmesg? |
| 00:34.27 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: that's not helping at all. |
| 00:34.31 | erich | FieldySnuts: well, not via-rhine. the only case I could imagine would be a system with two pci busses, and the bridge not working properly. I've read somewhere that some compaq servers have two pci busses for increased performance. |
| 00:34.41 | Jacky | C Jacky c bon là ? je suis sur le bon canal ? |
| 00:34.47 | FieldySnuts | #debian-fr |
| 00:34.48 | dondelelcaro | !fr |
| 00:34.48 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 00:35.07 | erich | dondelelcaro: if it doesn't show up in lspci, something is seriously broken. I don't think you can fix it above kernel level then |
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| 00:35.25 | Inssomniak | dondelelcaro, not with this card, another card I tried I did, but that card didnt work either |
| 00:35.36 | dondelelcaro | erich: hrm... he said it could show up in lspci... |
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| 00:35.52 | FieldySnuts | Weeble please don't msg me |
| 00:35.55 | FieldySnuts | heh nevermind not in here |
| 00:35.56 | Inssomniak | it doesnt not with the debian install |
| 00:36.06 | karma_ | Hello! What's differences(speed/security) between mod_php and using php interpreter through CGI interface |
| 00:36.07 | erich | dondelelcaro: and then he said it doesn't |
| 00:36.14 | dvs | Inssomniak: What motherboard are you using? |
| 00:36.26 | FieldySnuts | actually he said it did in some distros and not others |
| 00:36.27 | Inssomniak | dvs, ecs p65at |
| 00:36.40 | dondelelcaro | karma_: that's really a question best asked of #php, but the former is faster, the latter allows you to use suexec. |
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| 00:37.17 | buu | karma_: Well, one is fast and one isn't. |
| 00:37.23 | buu | But they both suck! |
| 00:37.31 | erich | dondelelcaro: I guess you could also do some sweet SELinux magic when running php in cgi mode. except noone bothering to setup selinux does use php ;-) |
| 00:37.35 | FieldySnuts | that's not helpful |
| 00:37.39 | karma_ | buu: sure :) |
| 00:37.45 | karma_ | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
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| 00:38.09 | FieldySnuts | dreamie: please don't message me |
| 00:38.16 | dreamie | ok |
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| 00:38.27 | FieldySnuts | thanks |
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| 00:38.47 | ElectricElf | karma_: How comfortable are you with Apache? |
| 00:38.54 | NanoBCN | hi people, I'm new to iptables and I'd like to know how do I do to ban a certain ip range from connecting to my pc |
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| 00:39.15 | FieldySnuts | CIDR perhaps |
| 00:39.30 | ElectricElf | NanoBCN: 'iptables -I INPUT -p ip -s 1.2.3.4 -j DROP' |
| 00:39.52 | karma_ | ElectricElf: hmm, not much |
| 00:39.53 | FieldySnuts | i thought there was an ip range module but i bet i'm thinking port range |
| 00:40.04 | ElectricElf | karma_: K, nevermind then. dondelelcaro answered your question |
| 00:40.06 | NanoBCN | ElectricElf, thanks: 'iptables -I INPUT -p ip -s 1.2.3.* -j DROP' (note the *) for range? |
| 00:40.11 | FieldySnuts | takatumi: don't msg me, i know you are trying to piss me off, so please stop |
| 00:40.23 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 00:40.26 | dondelelcaro | NanoBCN: nah, it's -s 1.2.3.4/255.255.255.0 |
| 00:40.32 | erich | FieldySnuts: there is very likely, but it's an extension. you might even need to use netfilter patchomatic |
| 00:40.39 | dondelelcaro | NanoBCN: see the iptables manpage |
| 00:40.42 | FieldySnuts | best bet is CIDR |
| 00:40.53 | ElectricElf | dondelelcaro: For reference, lately I've been using a master Apache2 which proxied to user-run Apache2 instances |
| 00:40.56 | FieldySnuts | or what don did |
| 00:41.01 | NanoBCN | dondelelcaro, I will do, don't worry, but someone is hitting my pc every 2 seconds |
| 00:41.05 | n | hey guys im gonna learn to program what language should i start learning? |
| 00:41.13 | NanoBCN | dondelelcaro, thanks anyway .... |
| 00:41.28 | dondelelcaro | n: whatever one you feel most comfortable in; c, perl, python, ruby are all reasonable choices. |
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| 00:41.31 | erich | FieldySnuts: the iptables manpage mentions the iprange extension. |
| 00:41.33 | _CASE_ | hello nice people, i have a terrible question, what's wrong with my NIC if the route command gives an error like 'NETWATCHDOG: eth0 timed out'? it modprobes ok and ifconfig eth0 up ok! thanks! |
| 00:41.36 | FieldySnuts | ah |
| 00:41.56 | n | dondelelcaro isnt c++ difficult to start learning? |
| 00:41.58 | erich | n: python is said to be easy to learn. |
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| 00:42.05 | dondelelcaro | n: that's why I said C |
| 00:42.22 | dondelelcaro | n: but it's not like C++ is all that difficult either since it just devolves to C in the simplest case |
| 00:42.22 | cybernightlife | n: I started out with Pascal. |
| 00:42.41 | cybernightlife | n: then migrated to C. |
| 00:42.43 | funkyHat | what floppy images do i need to install debian? i have the netinstall CD but my pc won't boot from CD |
| 00:42.47 | ElectricElf | cryptnix: Me too :) |
| 00:42.57 | cryptnix | hmm? |
| 00:43.03 | n | is pascal easy? |
| 00:43.05 | ElectricElf | cryptnix: Sorry, wrong nick |
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| 00:43.06 | funkyHat | i only managed to find the help for woody:( |
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| 00:43.17 | ElectricElf | n: It is, but the development toolchain is pretty rudimentary |
| 00:43.24 | _CASE_ | hello nice people, i have a terrible question, what's wrong with my NIC if the route command gives an error like 'NETWATCHDOG: eth0 timed out'? it modprobes ok and ifconfig eth0 up ok! thanks! |
| 00:43.26 | cybernightlife | n: Pascal is relatively easy. |
| 00:43.28 | dvs | funkyHat: There are boot floppies for sarge too |
| 00:43.33 | ElectricElf | n: These days Python may be a good choice |
| 00:43.35 | erich | n: I wouldn't recommend starting to learn with c or c++. pascal is kind of dead... |
| 00:43.43 | funkyHat | i know, i'm getting them from the sarge netinstall ISO |
| 00:43.52 | dvs | n: Java is a semi good place to start |
| 00:43.52 | funkyHat | but i haven't found the sarge help on using them |
| 00:43.58 | cybernightlife | erich: Pascal is quite dead. |
| 00:44.01 | ElectricElf | n: It was designed as a learning language, it's pretty easy to get the hang of, and as you progress you can use it for real problems (so you wouldn't have to learn something new soon enough) |
| 00:44.11 | cybernightlife | erich: I have since taught myself other languages. |
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| 00:44.24 | dvs | funkyHat: It's definitely in the install guide |
| 00:44.25 | ElectricElf | n: I presume you've got Linux installed? |
| 00:44.30 | dondelelcaro | funkyHat: right, they should prompt you to use the cdrom iirc; the install guide should talk about it too |
| 00:44.34 | erich | cybernightlife: well, there is Delphi and FreePascal. Delphi I guess has still a very alive community. On windows. |
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| 00:44.48 | funkyHat | ok. do i need boot and root theN? |
| 00:44.50 | n | electricelf ty i think i will start learning python then i decide the other language later =D |
| 00:45.03 | n | electricelf yes i already got linux installed |
| 00:45.10 | ElectricElf | n: I'm trying to find the Python credo |
| 00:45.15 | ElectricElf | It's in the Python interpreter |
| 00:45.18 | ElectricElf | Damned if I can remember though |
| 00:45.28 | n | whats credo? |
| 00:45.39 | sbk | scheme is always good for laughs |
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| 00:46.27 | dondelelcaro | !virtues |
| 00:46.28 | dpkg | The three great virtues of a programmer are 1) Laziness 2) Impatience 3) Hubris |
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| 00:46.52 | ElectricElf | n: A statement of principle |
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| 00:47.05 | ElectricElf | n: If you fire up 'python' on the command-line and run the command 'import this', you'll get Python's |
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| 00:47.18 | hlorrithi | Attention anyone who might know... does Wine work on PPC based machines running Debian? |
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| 00:48.23 | dogmeat | where is the security flaw associated with locate that one would want to switch to slocate? is 'ps' aka process lister the culprit? |
| 00:48.30 | n | electricelf do u know a good site with a python course |
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| 00:48.43 | n | " |
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| 00:49.38 | ElectricElf | n: http://www.python.org/ |
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| 00:49.51 | dogmeat | hlorrithi: try? |
| 00:50.10 | ElectricElf | n: "Documentation" link in the top-right corner, then under "Browse Current Documentation", the link "Tutorial" |
| 00:50.10 | n | electricelf ty |
| 00:50.15 | ElectricElf | n: No probs. |
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| 00:50.25 | mike_ | hihi, im trying to find some software that will list the directory and file hierarchyin html format |
| 00:50.29 | mike_ | is there such thing? |
| 00:50.31 | dondelelcaro | hlorrithi: since it's not an emulator, no. However, fredos will |
| 00:50.38 | dondelelcaro | (or probably will...) |
| 00:50.44 | Seb | mike_: you mean like apache does for automatic indexing ? |
| 00:50.55 | buu | mike_: Er, mod_index ? |
| 00:50.56 | mike_ | Seb: Yes |
| 00:51.03 | buu | Why not use mod index? |
| 00:51.04 | mike_ | but not for a webserver |
| 00:51.08 | buu | What is it for? |
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| 00:51.19 | mike_ | just listing it so i have a local copy |
| 00:51.26 | buu | And why do you want html? |
| 00:51.28 | mike_ | i could store it in plain text |
| 00:51.35 | mike_ | it doesn't really matter i guess |
| 00:51.39 | buu | find > LISTING_OF_DILEA |
| 00:51.47 | buu | s/dilea/FILES/i |
| 00:51.49 | erich | mike_: I guess you want a recursive listing? |
| 00:51.55 | mike_ | yes |
| 00:51.58 | n | electricelf is that a full tutorial? |
| 00:52.01 | hlorrithi | dondelelcaro: fredos? is that an emulator? |
| 00:52.02 | Seb | mike_: then what buu said |
| 00:52.14 | hlorrithi | dondelelcaro: Do you think it will run autocad? |
| 00:52.16 | dondelelcaro | hlorrithi: freedos, yes... it runs ontop of dosemu |
| 00:52.20 | erich | mike_: ls -lR > file? |
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| 00:52.34 | peterS | dosemu should be called x86biosemu, no? |
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| 00:53.20 | hlorrithi | dondelelcaro: So I will probably need Dosemu first? |
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| 00:54.38 | n | electricelf is that a full tutorial? |
| 00:54.48 | dondelelcaro | hlorrithi: just try installing dosemu... |
| 00:55.17 | hlorrithi | dondelelcaro: Thanks for your help. |
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| 00:55.31 | dondelelcaro | hlorrithi: or perhaps, bochs will do it if freedos/dosemu hasn't been ported; I personally haven't used either. |
| 00:55.37 | dondelelcaro | well, either on ppc |
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| 00:55.55 | cybernightlife | dondelelcaro: I have one question regarding dosemu. |
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| 00:56.31 | dondelelcaro | cybernightlife: as always, just ask |
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| 00:56.39 | cybernightlife | dondelelcaro: When I access the floppy drive (/dev/fd0), how come it takes seemingly forever to access a floppy under freedos/dosemu? |
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| 00:56.49 | skaja | i get this error when i try to dial out using ubuntu cant get termal parameters input/output error connect script failed exit |
| 00:56.52 | dondelelcaro | cybernightlife: no idea; I've never bothered to do that |
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| 00:57.45 | cybernightlife | dondelelcaro: I have the floppy drive accessed within the local dosemurc file to install legacy packages |
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| 00:58.00 | cybernightlife | such as Lotus 1-2-3, which I have had in storage |
| 00:58.09 | cybernightlife | for several years. |
| 00:58.13 | hlorrithi | dondelelcaro: Bad ass! I have found Bochs, and it is a PC emulator... Dosemu and freedos don't appear in my synaptic downloads... |
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| 00:58.50 | dondelelcaro | cybernightlife: floppies half a roughtly 2 week halflife in my hands |
| 00:58.50 | skaja | who uses dial up on demian |
| 00:58.59 | skaja | debian |
| 00:59.07 | dondelelcaro | skaja: people do. |
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| 01:00.55 | skaja | i have debian aswell and also mandrake i get the same error on all three |
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| 01:03.45 | [reed] | CountZ: add your comments to bug 326411 |
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| 01:07.30 | emRick | is there something in Debian like MS Window's recycle bin? |
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| 01:08.16 | Inssomniak | ok I have determined that if I boot from the CDROM, my net card works fine then it installs the base system, the minute it boots from the hard disk, it doesnt work |
| 01:08.39 | dvs | Inssomniak: It's probably a kernel problem then |
| 01:09.17 | Inssomniak | i cant do nothing cant even download a new kernel |
| 01:09.50 | funkyHat | Inssomniak, tried the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 01:10.06 | Inssomniak | pciehp failed to load, etc few errors during boot |
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| 01:10.19 | Inssomniak | funkyHat, that is with 2.6.8-2 on sable network install CD |
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| 01:17.13 | erich | Inssomniak: but it shows up in "lspci"? is there anything in the kernel log? |
| 01:17.18 | erich | like an irq conflict? |
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| 01:17.50 | Inssomniak | it does show in lspci |
| 01:17.57 | Inssomniak | and nothing in the log |
| 01:17.57 | erich | emRick: that depends on what you think that ms recycle bin is. |
| 01:18.07 | erich | Inssomniak: does the driver load? |
| 01:18.26 | Inssomniak | yup |
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| 01:18.38 | husein | does anybody know about a bug or fix if you try to up eth0 ethernet and eth1 wireless, both at the same time?? |
| 01:19.19 | elvirolo | hi all, i'm an ubuntu user (yes you can punch me in the head) and i have a (simple) problem |
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| 01:19.41 | emRick | Inssomniak: ms recycle bin is just something that moves files to a "recycle" directory instead of deleting the files. (or are you getting at something else?) |
| 01:19.53 | Inssomniak | emRick, Im not asking about any ms recycle bin |
| 01:20.01 | elvirolo | my kde menu lacks many entries (like kfrb, kmail, etc...) is there a way to automatically add them ? |
| 01:20.03 | Inssomniak | erich, if I install the 2.4.27 kernel everything works |
| 01:20.39 | dvs | Inssomniak: Then install the 2.4.27 kernel and compile your own later. |
| 01:21.02 | elvirolo | ideas anyone ? |
| 01:21.09 | emRick | Inssomniak: sorry, I can't parse you comment. what do you mean by "any ms recycle bin". |
| 01:21.09 | erich | emRick: gnome nautilus does the same. kde probably can do that, too |
| 01:21.28 | erich | emRick: you replied to him when you wanted to reply to me. |
| 01:21.53 | erich | elvirolo: did you ask in #ubuntu? |
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| 01:22.05 | elvirolo | yes, but nobody answers, as usual |
| 01:22.11 | husein | does anybody know about a bug or fix if you try to up eth0 ethernet and eth1 wireless, both at the same time?? |
| 01:22.16 | erich | well, I neither use ubuntu nor kde. |
| 01:22.20 | emRick | Inssomniak: sorry, I shouldn't be directing my comments to you ... just got mixed up. |
| 01:22.31 | elvirolo | erich: thanks anyway |
| 01:22.32 | erich | husein: no, i do that all the time. |
| 01:22.50 | emRick | erich: ok, so nautilus is what I should look at. |
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| 01:23.59 | Phroziac | ey, what do i need to install for remote x login? I don't want to install all of X on the box, i don't even have a monitor for it. i just want to run x apps off it. |
| 01:24.02 | mfrisch | does eject close after time or am I on crack? |
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| 01:25.21 | Unified | hi |
| 01:25.24 | erich | emRick: nautilus is a full file manager. It won't help if you e.g. delete a file in the shell. hacking something in there that "makes a mv out of your rm" is probably a bad idea. |
| 01:25.43 | mfrisch | lag much |
| 01:25.46 | erich | mfrisch: maybe your cd-rom closes itself automatically? |
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| 01:26.29 | fken | hello |
| 01:26.38 | erich | Phroziac: nothing, if your app speaks X. or do you want something like a terminal serverß |
| 01:26.53 | fken | does anyne know how the wma/wmv codec is called ? |
| 01:27.04 | Unified | I've installed stable on my notebook, unfortunately, gnome-volume-manager doesn't work correct. it doesn't mount any usb mass storage device. anyone has an idea why this is? everythings from stable except the kernel (2.6.13 with sources from kernel.org) |
| 01:27.12 | mfrisch | erich it is new and thought so. Damm it scared the sh$% out of me twice now. But I have used eject for at least 2+ years and did not know it will umount automatically |
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| 01:27.32 | Phroziac | erich: hmm, aren't there libs and stuff i need? |
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| 01:28.08 | mfrisch | Phroziac ssh works nice. |
| 01:28.08 | emRick | erich:tnx ... and the #kde people said I should look at something called "trash" which (I guessing) even handles "rm" deletions. |
| 01:28.26 | Phroziac | mfrisch: i have ssh already. |
| 01:29.08 | mfrisch | Phroziac turn on Xforwarding ssh -X grip |
| 01:29.46 | Phroziac | mfrisch: but don't i need X libraries on the machine? |
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| 01:30.16 | fken | and does anyone know how i could do to read a floppy disk with debian (system told me everytime to precize the FS) ? and why my fstab doent allow me to write on my FAT32 hard drive with a simple user ? (i wrote rw,user,default in the option menu) |
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| 01:30.37 | Unified | fken add umask=0 to the hdd |
| 01:30.40 | husein | erich; can you help me to work up my wireless. I just done modprobe ipw2200. I configured my interfaces file for use wep. http://pastebin.com/353314 |
| 01:30.41 | Algae | 'lo all |
| 01:31.09 | erich | Phroziac: the apps will install them automatically. the lib is called xlib... ;-) |
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| 01:31.36 | Phroziac | hmm ok. thanks. |
| 01:31.37 | mfrisch | Phroziac I believe. |
| 01:31.37 | erich | husein: I've never configured an intel wireless. use google. |
| 01:31.42 | fken | unified : for the hard drive or the floppy ? |
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| 01:31.55 | Unified | the hard drive |
| 01:32.02 | gcoppini | fken, try rw,users,default |
| 01:32.29 | fken | ok thank you ; gcoppini i tried but it doesnt work |
| 01:32.32 | TheAlgae | could anyone give me a little installation help using BootX on an old PowerMac? |
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| 01:33.10 | fken | whats strange is that rw,user,default worked the first time then i rebooted and now its broken |
| 01:33.20 | Phroziac | oops! I need an NTFS howto link. |
| 01:33.46 | Unified | the user option doesn't have anything to do with the rights |
| 01:34.01 | Unified | it's just that a user can un-/mount the specific entry |
| 01:35.55 | gcoppini | Unified, it's true... |
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| 01:37.31 | fken | Unified>oh ok |
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| 01:38.15 | mik3 | hi i have a problem with ubuntu's apt system and repositories, no one seems to be able to help me in #ubuntu is it ok if i try my luck in here? |
| 01:38.21 | LightVision | I only have 2 programs open, xchat! Yet I cant eject my CD! umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy! HOW can I Eject my CD please? |
| 01:39.00 | Unified | LightVision try lsof/media/cdrom0 as root |
| 01:39.07 | Unified | this shows you the process accessing the cdrom |
| 01:39.26 | LightVision | Unified: it said: lsof/media/cdrom0: No such file or directory |
| 01:39.38 | Unified | whoops |
| 01:39.41 | Unified | lsof /media/cdrom |
| 01:39.44 | Unified | lsof /media/cdrom0 |
| 01:39.46 | Unified | with a space :) |
| 01:40.21 | LightVision | Unified: it now said: famd 2728 lisa 113r DIR 22,0 4096 2048 /media/cdrom0 |
| 01:40.21 | LightVision | famd 2728 lisa 233r DIR 22,0 4096 2048 /media/cdrom0 |
| 01:40.28 | LightVision | Unified: whats all that mean? :P |
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| 01:41.01 | Unified | the process's called famd, has the id 2728, was executed by lisa of l13r |
| 01:41.08 | LightVision | Unified: does that mean an application called famd is using my cdrom? |
| 01:41.16 | Unified | yep |
| 01:41.19 | LightVision | Unified: whats famd? |
| 01:41.27 | Unified | file alteration monitor daemon |
| 01:41.39 | LightVision | Unified: what would have loaded that? |
| 01:41.45 | Unified | gnome |
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| 01:41.57 | LightVision | Unified: but I dont run gnome, I use KDE |
| 01:41.59 | Unified | or was it kde? don't know :) |
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| 01:42.17 | LightVision | Unified: so how do I now open my CD? |
| 01:42.33 | Unified | kill the process |
| 01:42.47 | LightVision | Unified: I type "kill famd" ? |
| 01:42.53 | Unified | man kill |
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| 01:43.56 | quentin | hi |
| 01:44.13 | quentin | I need help |
| 01:44.16 | Unified | so whats about my problem? :) can't get gnome-volume-manager to mount my usb mass storage devices. only thing thats not from stable is the kernel. anyone has a idea? |
| 01:44.27 | quentin | quit |
| 01:44.29 | LightVision | when I try to run ksysguard from root, it says: ksysguard: cannot connect to X server! Any solutuin to this? |
| 01:45.06 | Unified | you're probably trying to run it as root from a console |
| 01:45.41 | LightVision | Unified: yes, doesnt what work? |
| 01:45.54 | LightVision | Unified: i have run ksysguard from shell root before |
| 01:46.06 | Unified | it can, if you pass the server id to the console |
| 01:46.09 | Unified | but don't ask me how :) |
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| 01:46.24 | LightVision | Unified: lol |
| 01:46.44 | paolob | Hi guys! Hitting "last" I find this line:admin pts/0 host84-43.pool82 Fri Sep 2 15:01 - 15:01 (00:00) What the hell is it? I never logged with admin username!! |
| 01:47.49 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: use sux; or set XAUTHORITY properly when you're using xauth |
| 01:50.51 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: ah ok, so i can install sux |
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| 01:51.02 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
| 01:51.37 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: and i have opnoffice on cd, whats best way to installthat froim cd? |
| 01:52.46 | LightVision | sorry for typos |
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| 01:54.55 | fken | Unified : thank you for the umask=0 : it works |
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| 01:55.11 | fken | and someone know how i could read a floppy ? |
| 01:55.43 | ray__ | what is the command to get the X Window System libraries and headers |
| 01:55.45 | ray__ | ? |
| 01:55.50 | ray__ | anybody know? |
| 01:56.06 | Unified | just the libraries and headers? |
| 01:56.35 | ray__ | yeah......i have x installed but when i try to configure xfce 4.2 i get that error |
| 01:56.55 | ray__ | oops |
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| 01:57.01 | ray__ | i mean idesk |
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| 01:59.03 | talisein_ | So.. lots of Xen HOWTOs have been poping up. Anyone here running in a VM? |
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| 02:00.39 | dondelelcaro | talisein_: I have. |
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| 02:01.30 | talisein_ | dondelelcaro: how does networking work? Can each VM ask for a seperate IP via dhcp? |
| 02:01.57 | dondelelcaro | talisein_: depends on how you have it set up, but yes, they can. |
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| 02:03.06 | talisein_ | Hmm. Sweet. I suspect I'll be playing with my router box this weekend :) |
| 02:03.37 | Unified | is udev only responsible for creating device nodes? or is there anything else? |
| 02:03.49 | talisein_ | hotplug and coldplug |
| 02:04.12 | Unified | hrm... |
| 02:04.20 | Unified | can't figure out where the damn problem is... |
| 02:04.43 | talisein_ | .. your cd? |
| 02:04.53 | Unified | no mounting usb devices |
| 02:05.10 | talisein_ | oh gnome-volume-manager |
| 02:05.16 | Unified | right |
| 02:05.25 | talisein_ | lemme look at how mine is setup |
| 02:06.05 | Unified | well, mine's out-of-the-box from stable, which worked on 4 computers. i'm assuming its the kernel, since it's the only thing which isn't part of stable |
| 02:06.19 | fken | nobody use a floppy disk here ? |
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| 02:06.25 | dondelelcaro | Unified: yes, that's typically the problem; you probably don't have usb mass fs or scsi disk compiled in. |
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| 02:06.31 | dondelelcaro | fken: just ask your actual question |
| 02:06.31 | talisein_ | do you have applicable blank entries in fstab? eg /dev/sdc1 /mnt/usbdrive |
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| 02:06.48 | Unified | usb-mass-storage or whatever it's called is loaded when i plug a usb device in |
| 02:06.51 | dondelelcaro | fken: mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy; is the typical way you use them |
| 02:07.08 | dondelelcaro | Unified: and you have scsi disk support? do you see where the device is placed? |
| 02:07.12 | talisein_ | oh.. the devices aren't even in /dev? |
| 02:07.15 | Unified | dondelelcaro yes |
| 02:07.19 | fken | dondelelcaro> i thought i asked before... it said to me i must precise the FS but the fs was auto |
| 02:07.31 | fken | msdos and vfat dont work |
| 02:07.36 | Unified | device nodes are also created |
| 02:08.00 | Unified | and i can access the device via normal mounting |
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| 02:08.04 | dondelelcaro | Unified: then you should see something like SCSI device sdc: 256000 512-byte hdwr sectors (131 MB) |
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| 02:08.18 | fken | the usb mass storage are usually /dev/sda |
| 02:08.22 | dondelelcaro | Unified: oh... well, then what's the problem? |
| 02:08.24 | fken | and sometimes sda1 |
| 02:08.33 | Unified | dondelelcaro they don't get auto-mounted |
| 02:08.34 | dondelelcaro | fken: totally depends on what the other scsi devices are |
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| 02:08.58 | fken | dondelelcaro>you are right but i wanted to focus on the number |
| 02:09.04 | talisein_ | Unified: do you have an entry for your drive in /etc/fstab? |
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| 02:09.15 | Unified | gnome-volume-manager (or underlying tools) should create mountpoints in /media and mount the devices there |
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| 02:09.42 | dondelelcaro | Unified: right, that assumes you're running gnome and the gnome-volume-manager is running... |
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| 02:09.48 | Unified | talisein_ no and it wouldn't make any sense since i'm using two external hdd's and one usb stick |
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| 02:09.52 | Unified | dondelelcaro yes |
| 02:10.06 | dondelelcaro | (which is totally distinct from the kernel's automount) |
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| 02:10.27 | fken | dondelelcaro>so what command line should i write to test my floppy ? |
| 02:10.51 | dondelelcaro | fken: if mount won't mount it, and you're mounting the proper device, odds are that there's something wrong with the floppy. |
| 02:10.56 | Unified | well, i guess the only way to find out if it's really the kernel is to try it with a pre-packaged one from debian... |
| 02:11.12 | talisein_ | /dev/sdg1 /mnt/flash auto noauto,user 0 0 |
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| 02:11.19 | talisein_ | Unified My fstab has --^ |
| 02:11.26 | talisein_ | and g-v-m works |
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| 02:11.46 | fken | dondelelcaro>the floppy works under windows and its the second time it arrive for me (I mean with my i686 i had the same problem) |
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| 02:12.45 | Unified | talisein_ one hdd has 2 partitions, the other one 5. if i would make entries in fstab, but then change the order in which i turn on the hdds, everything would be fucked up. that's not the way it should work... |
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| 02:13.18 | dondelelcaro | fken: and both mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy and -t msdos fail? |
| 02:13.21 | Unified | and besides, all the other computers here at home have no problems at all |
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| 02:13.30 | Unified | this is the first time ever that something like this happens |
| 02:13.36 | talisein_ | thats what udev solves. you can create a special hook for each hdd by serial number to be sure it gets the same device every time |
| 02:13.59 | Unified | and since its the only computer with a kernel NOT from debian i'm assuming that there's the problem somewhere... |
| 02:14.13 | mfrisch | cdrecord cannot find my cdrw...cdrdao works fine. looking for /dev/pg* whats wrong, I tried burning a cue/bin and cdrecord flopped out in k3b. after I loaded scsi-ide no dice |
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| 02:14.40 | Unified | mfrisch kernel 2.6? |
| 02:14.51 | mfrisch | Unified yes |
| 02:15.03 | Unified | then scsi-ide's not needed |
| 02:15.25 | Unified | does cdrecord work as root? if so, try dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord and set the suid bit |
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| 02:15.56 | fken | dondelelcaro> I am dreaming ! the vfat one is working now ! but not with my laptop : I am sure i tried : i wrote vfat in my fstab |
| 02:16.10 | mfrisch | Unified ok I thought so, ok but scanbus doesn't return anything, whats the device |
| 02:16.12 | dondelelcaro | fken: your fstab should just have auto for that line. |
| 02:16.20 | fken | dondelelcaro>is there a way to keep the auto function ? |
| 02:16.25 | Unified | mfrisch depends |
| 02:16.27 | dondelelcaro | fken: only when invoking mount should you bother to set the filesystem like that |
| 02:16.34 | Unified | secondary master i guess, which would be /dev/hdc |
| 02:16.42 | Unified | or just /dev/cdrom |
| 02:16.52 | mfrisch | Unified I mean is it special /dev/hdd is mine |
| 02:16.57 | dondelelcaro | mfrisch: did you run cdrecord -dev ATAPI: -scanbus ? |
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| 02:17.08 | Phroziac | http://pastebin.com/353329 ... i'm using sarge and the official disc set, what would cause these errors? |
| 02:17.12 | Unified | no just the normal device |
| 02:17.13 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro no will do |
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| 02:17.32 | fken | dondelelcaro>I mean : is there no way to mount floppy automatically without specifying FS ? |
| 02:18.06 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro Unified THANKS DISCO!! |
| 02:18.09 | dondelelcaro | fken: yes, just leave auto as the filesystem type, and it will guess. Generally it guesses correctly |
| 02:18.30 | fken | dondelelcaro>with the auto it doest work |
| 02:18.42 | dondelelcaro | fken: then it guessed poorly. |
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| 02:19.13 | fken | dondelelcaro>i was sure it worked with my very old mandrake when i had mandrake |
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| 02:19.33 | dondelelcaro | fken: it's a kernel specific thing; it tries one filesystem, if it fails, it tries another. |
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| 02:19.50 | dondelelcaro | fken: has nothing to do with your distribution. |
| 02:19.51 | fken | dondelelcaro> (maybe in 2000 or 2001... no I must admit I still used mandrake in 2003 and even 2004 snif) |
| 02:20.13 | opioid | installing kernel-image-2.6... will give me a debian compiled 2.6 kernel, right? i wont need to compile a custom one ? |
| 02:20.34 | fken | dondelelcaro>ok so at this point the kernel "power" decreased |
| 02:20.36 | dondelelcaro | opioid: yes. |
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| 02:20.56 | fken | dondelelcaro> thank you very much for your help |
| 02:21.04 | dondelelcaro | fken: or you're just using a strange floppy that is causing the autofs to fail. I've personally never had that problem, but then again, I rarely use floppies anymore. |
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| 02:22.38 | fken | dondelelcaro>i tried with two different floppies... it would be strange to have two bad one |
| 02:22.54 | dondelelcaro | fken: not when they've been formatted by the same windows install. |
| 02:23.07 | dendrite | Phroziac: Do you have any file systems mounted read-only or noexec? |
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| 02:23.48 | Phroziac | dendrite: not that i'm aware of. |
| 02:23.56 | fken | dondelelcaro>even there its not the case : I tried with a setup floppy and with a personnal one... maybe the problem is XP ... |
| 02:24.10 | dondelelcaro | quite likely |
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| 02:24.14 | dendrite | Phroziac: Or full...? What do mount and df say? |
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| 02:24.29 | dondelelcaro | Phroziac: it would also be useful to have the full output from whatever command you were running there |
| 02:24.33 | Phroziac | no full no read only. |
| 02:24.38 | Phroziac | Uhm, weird. |
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| 02:24.55 | Phroziac | I ran it by putting the debian disc in another box and using it over HTTP... |
| 02:24.57 | Phroziac | and it worked fine. |
| 02:25.19 | Phroziac | i do have cdrom problems, but it usually works, unless i install something big like base ;) |
| 02:25.29 | dondelelcaro | Phroziac: I'll bet if you look at dmesg|less; you're going to see a bunch of cdrom problems. |
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| 02:26.13 | dondelelcaro | ah, broken hardware... the enemy of the OTS PC. |
| 02:26.14 | Phroziac | yep |
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| 02:26.52 | Phroziac | I think it broke when i moved. the cdrom was mounted in another computer and it may have been handled carelessly, and maybe dropped on its face. |
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| 02:27.36 | dondelelcaro | Phroziac: yeah, probably easier just to chuck it... cdroms are worth next to nothing these days |
| 02:28.24 | Phroziac | I don't have any extras though. |
| 02:28.39 | Phroziac | and i'd rather gut it :) |
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| 02:29.00 | Phroziac | but yeah, i have to do weird things to the drive to even make it know theres a disc in it ;) the latch is broken |
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| 02:31.40 | ice_1963 | ok |
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| 02:32.26 | raden | whats the main diffrence between Debian and gentoo ? |
| 02:32.48 | ice_1963 | one is better |
| 02:32.53 | dondelelcaro | raden: binary vs. source distribution; then there are a whole host of other differences. |
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| 02:33.12 | clarissa | i did it debian is running :D |
| 02:33.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | i use Debian is the diff ;) |
| 02:33.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | wd clarissa ;D |
| 02:33.36 | clarissa | wd? |
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| 02:34.12 | dondelelcaro | clarissa: well done |
| 02:34.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | well done |
| 02:34.23 | clarissa | oh thanks :) |
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| 02:34.33 | vick | Can i install Debian on 100 MB ? |
| 02:34.52 | fken | so see ya |
| 02:34.54 | clarissa | but i have one lil problem :) have only max 800x600 need 1024x768 resolution |
| 02:34.57 | fken | thanks everyone for your help ;) |
| 02:35.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | clarissa: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 02:36.01 | clarissa | Kamping_Kaiser: as root? |
| 02:36.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes |
| 02:36.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | from a V/C |
| 02:36.59 | clarissa | i must choose a graphic card driver |
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| 02:37.17 | clarissa | but i have nvidia graphic card |
| 02:37.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | leave it as the default or vesa |
| 02:37.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | then use "nv" |
| 02:37.28 | clarissa | i have used nv |
| 02:37.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | yep. that's the one |
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| 02:38.11 | clarissa | bus identifier? |
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| 02:38.17 | clarissa | must i set there something? |
| 02:38.20 | clarissa | i have only one card |
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| 02:38.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | leave that alone |
| 02:38.35 | linuxg0d | clarissa, download nvidia card driver |
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| 02:38.53 | linuxg0d | then xorgcfg |
| 02:39.01 | linuxg0d | -configure |
| 02:39.13 | vick | Hello, is it possible to install Debian on 100MB ? |
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| 02:39.24 | ice_1963 | use google how to install nvidia in debian 3.1 sarge |
| 02:39.27 | LightVision | I have openoffice.org on a Debian CD! so how can I install it from the CD? any help would be appreciated. |
| 02:39.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | vick: no |
| 02:39.35 | linuxg0d | vick, yup |
| 02:39.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | 250 is min IIRC |
| 02:39.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | o_0 |
| 02:39.39 | deadcat | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:39.39 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 02:39.39 | linuxg0d | but :) |
| 02:39.53 | LightVision | !install from CD |
| 02:40.12 | vick | linuxg0d, i can or can't ? |
| 02:40.30 | jan____ | Hi, i'm using suPHP now, and i can't use any php apache subrequests, like virtual() inside a php script to run a cgi script |
| 02:40.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | vick sounds like you can |
| 02:40.44 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 02:40.45 | linuxg0d | vick, no use what you want only kenrle |
| 02:40.52 | linuxg0d | *kernel |
| 02:40.52 | linuxg0d | :) |
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| 02:41.10 | linuxg0d | i never try minimal install in debian |
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| 02:41.36 | ice_1963 | you can do it |
| 02:41.46 | vick | How much space is required by minimal install ? |
| 02:41.47 | LightVision | linuxg0d: any idea? |
| 02:41.53 | ice_1963 | :0) |
| 02:42.11 | womble | vick: I reckon you could get away with < 100MB, but you wouldn't get much into it. |
| 02:42.19 | linuxg0d | LightVision, for what ? |
| 02:42.32 | Guerin | womble: the basic minimal install is ~250MB |
| 02:42.33 | linuxg0d | vick, use slax |
| 02:42.36 | vick | womble, X, fluxbox, gcc |
| 02:42.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | LightVision: apt-cdrom |
| 02:42.42 | womble | vick: Not a hope in hell. |
| 02:42.45 | LightVision | linuxg0d: I have openoffice.org on a Debian CD! so how can I install it from the CD? any help would be appreciated. |
| 02:42.46 | vick | heh |
| 02:42.49 | Guerin | vick: 300MB |
| 02:42.51 | vick | Slax is LiveCD |
| 02:42.57 | vick | i don't want LiveCD |
| 02:42.57 | womble | Guerin: "basic minimal" is not "as small as it can get". |
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| 02:43.00 | linuxg0d | LightVision, put cd in cdrom |
| 02:43.04 | LightVision | Kamping_Kaiser: so does that command search the whole CD for appropriate files? |
| 02:43.12 | Guerin | vick: you COULD get it down a lot lower than that, but you'd need to do it manually |
| 02:43.12 | LightVision | linuxg0d: ok its in |
| 02:43.13 | womble | Guerin: Although I haven't tried an absolute bare minimal on Sarge yet. |
| 02:43.16 | vick | on Fedora it like 650MB |
| 02:43.16 | linuxg0d | LightVision, than open synaptic packacge manager |
| 02:43.24 | LightVision | linuxg0d: ok |
| 02:43.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | LightVision: it adds the cd to your repositreis |
| 02:43.26 | Guerin | i know someone who got it down to 40MB |
| 02:43.27 | vick | Guerin, How come ? |
| 02:43.46 | linuxg0d | LightVision, opened ? |
| 02:43.51 | Guerin | vick: you'd have to manually remove a bunch of packages and delete files |
| 02:44.04 | LightVision | linuxg0d: CD is on and synaptic is loaded! but I dont see anything about the CD |
| 02:44.06 | vick | from the minimal install ? |
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| 02:44.18 | Guerin | vick: yes. It's minimal, but it's not THAT minimal. |
| 02:44.26 | linuxg0d | LightVision, type open |
| 02:44.27 | FieldySnuts | buy a damn disk heh |
| 02:44.29 | womble | vick: But you're never going to get X *and* gcc *and* development libs into 100MB. |
| 02:44.43 | linuxg0d | LightVision, aah got it |
| 02:44.45 | vick | 200MB |
| 02:44.46 | Guerin | womble: depends what he's developing ... might be possible |
| 02:44.48 | linuxg0d | open shell |
| 02:44.56 | vick | linuxg0d, please don't repeat |
| 02:45.05 | Guerin | building your own kernel can save ~30MB |
| 02:45.05 | linuxg0d | LightVision, go to root type base-config |
| 02:45.09 | linuxg0d | vick, sorry |
| 02:45.20 | cire | When I boot my machine, I get an error like "skipping unavailable module .......", but I cannot find this message in syslog or elsewhere in /var/log. Where are those messages stored? |
| 02:45.28 | vick | Guerin, No, i want the debian kernel |
| 02:45.39 | vick | Guerin, modules too, i can change anything but that |
| 02:45.47 | womble | Guerin: libc6-dev is 8.6MB installed. Just by itself. |
| 02:45.59 | linuxg0d | LightVision, basically all you to do is make list of packages with the help of apt |
| 02:46.02 | Guerin | vick: sounds like a usb key install to me |
| 02:46.06 | linuxg0d | *have |
| 02:46.12 | vick | Guerin, Yep :D |
| 02:46.19 | clarissa | i must make input what for a mouse i use like "10 for /dev/atibm" what must i choose for usb mouse? |
| 02:46.25 | Guerin | womble: build-essential, which is the minimum you need to build a c or c++ app, is 10MB |
| 02:46.54 | vick | Guerin, i actually got somehow desperate, and went for http://byzgl.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 02:47.24 | Guerin | vick: heh |
| 02:47.24 | LightVision | linuxg0d: i want to install openoffice from my CD |
| 02:47.29 | deadcat | anyone on xorg -6 and notice xterm is slow? |
| 02:47.41 | clarissa | whats the input for usb mouse? :) |
| 02:47.59 | linuxg0d | LightVision, do what i say |
| 02:48.03 | deadcat | clarissa: /dev/input/mice ? |
| 02:48.08 | linuxg0d | LightVision, how many cd's you have |
| 02:48.08 | linuxg0d | ? |
| 02:48.12 | clarissa | okay ^^ |
| 02:48.15 | Guerin | vick: if you're REALLY into it, you can build everything with -Os; that's one of the tricks that dsl/slax/etc use |
| 02:48.34 | womble | Guerin: libc6-dev, 8.4MB; gcc-3.3 4.2MB; gcc-3.3 3.8MB; libg++5-3.3-dev 4.5MB; that's > 10MB already and I haven't started on the 2nd level dependencies. Sure, some of that might be docs and unnecessary crud, but I doubt it's < 10MB. |
| 02:48.42 | vick | Guerin, Optimization flags ? |
| 02:48.55 | Guerin | vick: yeah, optimise for size |
| 02:49.14 | Guerin | vick: you'd want to use it with apt-build or somesuch |
| 02:49.30 | dondelelcaro | and surprisingly, -Os is often faster than almost any other form of optimization. |
| 02:49.34 | vick | Guerin, whats your opinion debian or that byz os ? |
| 02:49.42 | Guerin | vick: that's a stupid question |
| 02:49.47 | vick | heh |
| 02:49.48 | vick | :D |
| 02:49.54 | LightVision | linuxg0d: ii did what you said, but when I chose openoffice from synaptic list, it starts to download from ftp sites, NOT the CD |
| 02:50.06 | bob2 | yay for cache misses |
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| 02:50.41 | LightVision | does anyone know how I can install openoffice from my Debian CD? |
| 02:50.46 | clarissa | i have now a debian i386 on my i686 machine xD |
| 02:50.58 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: use apt-cdrom to add the cdrom; and apt-get (or aptitude) install it. |
| 02:51.21 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 02:51.24 | Guerin | LightVision: apt-cache policy will show you what versions are available, and which will be preferred |
| 02:51.37 | deadcat | LightVision: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment the ftp|http lines |
| 02:51.40 | ice_1963 | there is 14 cd's |
| 02:51.56 | Guerin | LightVision: yoou can then use aptitude install openoffice.org=1.0.4-version-whatever |
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| 02:52.38 | raden | ls |
| 02:52.42 | raden | wrong system |
| 02:52.46 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: that worked! thanks :) |
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| 02:53.22 | poncho | Hola. |
| 02:53.27 | poncho | Hello.! |
| 02:53.31 | clarissa | no mc inside? |
| 02:53.40 | poncho | lapsus calami. |
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| 02:54.12 | LightVision | Guerin: ok thanks |
| 02:54.29 | LightVision | i installed openoffice and it worked :) thanks everyone who helped |
| 02:54.31 | dondelelcaro | clarissa: just apt-get install mc |
| 02:54.39 | clarissa | okay ^^ |
| 02:54.59 | deadcat | clarissa: apt-cache search pkgname;then apt-get install pkgname |
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| 02:55.17 | deadcat | Gnea: e17 is fucking amazing (= |
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| 02:55.45 | LightVision | I am using Sarge Debian 3.1. What line should be added to my sources.list to make sure I can always download any new and the latest security updates etc that come out daily? |
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| 02:56.05 | clarissa | i install mc :) |
| 02:56.06 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: you just need a security.debian.org line which should have been added at install time. |
| 02:56.07 | bob2 | it's there by default |
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| 02:56.16 | deadcat | !win clarissa |
| 02:56.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, clarissa! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 02:56.22 | clarissa | XD |
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| 02:56.49 | deadcat | clarissa: /msg bot about your install status.. we dont care if you installed mc (= |
| 02:57.03 | clarissa | where i can set the resolution? its a few months ago i knew this on my Xebian for xbox this debian mod :x |
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| 02:57.16 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: I got this one: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:57.20 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: is that one ok? |
| 02:57.24 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: yes, that's it. |
| 02:57.31 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: great :) ty |
| 02:57.31 | clarissa | deadcat i used mc long time i like it ^^ |
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| 02:58.02 | dondelelcaro | clarissa: just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86; and select the larger screen resolution. /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is the actual configuration file |
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| 02:59.24 | clarissa | dondelelcaro with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 i must make to much settings ^^" and some i dont know what i should put in i think i edit the xf86Config-4 manually with the new resolution :) |
| 02:59.29 | dondelelcaro | $ find webwml -type f|wc -l -> 43304... I think that many pages would take a little bit to actually read. |
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| 02:59.37 | deadcat | bob2: busy? tell me what up with the prompt (non-ascii) http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/screen/xwd_20050902_12420.png |
| 02:59.38 | dondelelcaro | clarissa: it's up to you. |
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| 02:59.44 | clarissa | yes ^^ |
| 03:00.11 | clarissa | this complete reconfigure is to hard for me i think i dont set all settings new only resolution |
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| 03:00.34 | petemc | so just keep pressing enter |
| 03:00.35 | deadcat | clarissa: what the f. just hit enter and its done |
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| 03:01.00 | clarissa | um i must input much informations in this :( |
| 03:01.10 | clarissa | the program ask me much things |
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| 03:01.56 | mrwill | where is suexec located on debian? |
| 03:02.03 | dondelelcaro | clarissa: well, it should be prompting you with the answers that it gave you previously. |
| 03:02.13 | clarissa | depth is only until 24 is this right? or must i put in 32 for 32bit or such? |
| 03:02.22 | dondelelcaro | !tell mrwill -about search |
| 03:02.37 | dondelelcaro | mrwill: and it's generally /usr/lib/apache/suexec |
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| 03:02.44 | clarissa | yes dondelelcaro but edit this fire directly is easier and i've made this much times on xbox :) |
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| 03:02.49 | deadcat | clarissa: YES!!! |
| 03:02.55 | clarissa | fire=file |
| 03:03.01 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: after I installed openoffice, my KDE menu is frozen! I pressed on KDE, bottom left, and it froze up! WHat can I do? ijn fact all icons ar frozen! I cant open anything else |
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| 03:03.20 | mrwill | dondelelcaro: thank you, I was hesitant to believe that was the location as it is symlinked someplace odd on my machine. |
| 03:03.42 | petemc | !comfort dondelelcaro |
| 03:03.43 | dpkg | There, there, dondelelcaro. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:04.08 | deadcat | dpkg: shut up |
| 03:04.08 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 03:04.14 | LightVision | it seems my whole desktop has frozen and no icon or menu will respond! What can I do? |
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| 03:04.30 | dondelelcaro | mrwill: right, the file is actually installed as .disabled... iirc, it sticks in the symlink if you tell it to be enabled at configuration time. |
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| 03:04.56 | mrwill | dondelelcaro: ah! that makes perfect sense, thanks! |
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| 03:05.23 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: any ideas of a fix or what caused it? |
| 03:05.32 | clarissa | i have edited now i restard |
| 03:05.45 | deadcat | clarissa: set +x please |
| 03:05.49 | bob2 | deadcat: I'd be guessing odd characters in a font that doesn't have them |
| 03:05.54 | clarissa | +x ? |
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| 03:06.11 | petemc | bob2: hey |
| 03:06.12 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, on that, the other question was whether LANG was set differently |
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| 03:06.20 | deadcat | bob2: but they are all in 1 xterm inside screen.. TERM=xterm for all of them |
| 03:06.20 | bob2 | hey petemc |
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| 03:06.35 | bob2 | deadcat: oh, right, and one works. hrm. |
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| 03:06.41 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: LANG is unset |
| 03:06.45 | petemc | bob2: i locked your account on morbo, i assume thats ok :) |
| 03:07.05 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: hrm... and all of the TERMCAPS are identical? anything unusual in any of the envs? |
| 03:07.07 | bob2 | petemc: oh, right, fair enough |
| 03:07.10 | bob2 | petemc: thanks again :-) |
| 03:07.16 | petemc | :) |
| 03:07.24 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. all the same. they all source the same .bash* files |
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| 03:07.28 | bob2 | tho, I blame my former irc addiction on you |
| 03:07.35 | petemc | ahh now |
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| 03:07.46 | LightVision | whats a key combo to restart Debian KDE? my whole desktop and menu is frozen |
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| 03:07.54 | petemc | how could an irishman affect an antipodean |
| 03:08.00 | petemc | sp |
| 03:08.03 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 03:08.06 | poncho | CTR-ALT-BKSP |
| 03:08.08 | iLLf8d | LightVision: ctrl alt bkspace =P |
| 03:08.09 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: just drop to a console (ctrl-alt-f1) and kill off kdm or kde. |
| 03:08.13 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: let me set LANG=C or POSIX and see whats up |
| 03:08.35 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: after I kill off kde, how do I then restart it? |
| 03:08.44 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: both dont do anything |
| 03:08.48 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: if you're using kdm it should just start right up |
| 03:09.08 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: so I type "kill -9 kde" ? |
| 03:09.19 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: no. |
| 03:09.48 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: whats the command I should type? |
| 03:10.08 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: just ctrl-alt-backspace in the X server, it's easier. |
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| 03:10.48 | Mortalman | LightVision: Yeah, Ctrl-alt-backspace kills it all and restarts your display manager. |
| 03:11.19 | deadcat | Mortalman: not for me.. when my X hang, i have to ssh in and killall X.. keyboard on that machine becomes useless |
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| 03:12.09 | Mortalman | deadcat: Wow, never heard of that, but I certainly suppose that could be an issue. |
| 03:12.35 | Mortalman | brb, Avatar: The Last Air Bender is back on. |
| 03:12.41 | deadcat | Mortalman: ya. no one know what is up. so my only choice is to reinstall and start from scratch.. |
| 03:13.11 | vick | Guerin, It failed in installing the base system, probably because of the size |
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| 03:13.31 | vick | Guerin, moreover in this case, i changed it to 500 MB, but i should only make debian use 200MB |
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| 03:14.52 | deadcat | who said theres no AOL debian user? (= ^^ |
| 03:14.54 | clarissa | hm how to install nvidia drivers? |
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| 03:15.05 | IRCzito | somebody already configured some Cisco AIRONET 350?? |
| 03:15.06 | Eve | hello everyone, i'm trying to install ruby and fastcgi on my debian, but i've got some troubles, i there anyone using both ? |
| 03:15.09 | deadcat | !tell clarissa about nvidia one-liner |
| 03:15.14 | clarissa | deadcat you are evil . dont laugh about aol xD |
| 03:15.22 | Snow-Man | Eve: Those would seem unlikely to conflict... |
| 03:15.27 | RogueDopple | he he |
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| 03:16.32 | clarissa | the last line deadcat that with reconfigure xfree86 must i let this inside the code i type? |
| 03:17.42 | Eve | Snow-Man: sure, but first i have to install them, and maybe i forgot something, but "gem install fcgi" don't works :( |
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| 03:17.50 | miag | clarissa: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html run it as root |
| 03:18.04 | petemc | no |
| 03:18.23 | IRCzito | clarissa: use the module-assistant |
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| 03:19.07 | Snow-Man | Eve: I have nfc what 'gem install' is supposed to do. |
| 03:19.59 | Eve | Snow-Man: oh, rubygems is the installer for ruby "gems", that means package |
| 03:20.00 | Snow-Man | Eve: aptitude install libfcgi-ruby1.8 libapache2-mod-fastcgi ; might do what you want on, uh, a Debian system. |
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| 03:20.27 | clarissa | i am sorry but my linux freezed :( |
| 03:20.38 | clarissa | i couldnt klick anything here |
| 03:20.41 | Eve | mmm, 'k, maybe i should uninstall everything and try again |
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| 03:21.03 | Snow-Man | Eve: On Debian, generally I think it makes sense to at least try to stay within the Debian packaging system. |
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| 03:21.16 | clarissa | can i have the text for nvidia again? please |
| 03:21.25 | Snow-Man | !tell clarissa about nvidia one-liner |
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| 03:21.49 | Eve | Snow-Man: i agree, but some tutorial say the opposite |
| 03:22.06 | Mortalman | Snow-Man: Screw that. I install the base system and rpm, then install RPMs from there. Works much better. lol j/k |
| 03:22.07 | Snow-Man | Eve: That's unfortunately rather broken. :/ |
| 03:22.08 | petemc | whats the opposite of debian? |
| 03:22.11 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: I did that ctrl-alt-backspace! and when KDE loaded again, everything is fine! But what was great is it didnt hang up my modem :)) |
| 03:22.19 | Snow-Man | petemc: iandeb |
| 03:22.25 | petemc | *bam* |
| 03:22.29 | Eve | Snow-Man: and i had so many trouble that i tried everythings i could think of :) |
| 03:22.48 | Snow-Man | Eve: I've played w/ ruby, and I've played w/ fastcgi, but never both together, so ymmv. :) |
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| 03:23.02 | Eve | Snow-Man: ymmv ?? |
| 03:23.06 | clarissa | error |
| 03:23.09 | Snow-Man | Eve: Your milage may vary. |
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| 03:23.30 | LightVision | is there a shell command to use that shows how long the modem has been connected to Internet? |
| 03:23.46 | Ne0watcha | any body play at counter strike 1.6 on cedega please ? |
| 03:23.49 | petemc | LightVision: ifconfig |
| 03:24.05 | Snow-Man | LightVision: You should be able to check your pppd logs.. |
| 03:24.15 | petemc | LightVision: oh, nm |
| 03:24.17 | clarissa | installation from the code nvidia-kernel-source failured the packet is ignored. try to write something in sources.list like contrib- and non-free-archive |
| 03:24.18 | vick | Guerin, Are you there ? |
| 03:24.28 | Guerin | vick: depends where 'there' is |
| 03:24.38 | vick | heh ok |
| 03:24.40 | LightVision | petemc: nm? |
| 03:24.43 | vick | Guerin, it failed |
| 03:24.50 | clarissa | he couldnt find paket nvidia-kernel-source |
| 03:24.54 | Guerin | vick: what failed? |
| 03:24.57 | vick | Guerin, on the part of Installing the base system |
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| 03:25.07 | Snow-Man | clarissa: It's 'package', you need to add some things to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:25.10 | vick | Guerin, moreover i had 500 MB of space, but i only intend on making it use 200MB |
| 03:25.18 | petemc | LightVision: nevermind, theres no way to extrapolate time from the output of ifconfig |
| 03:25.23 | Guerin | vick: base is larger than 200MB |
| 03:25.26 | petemc | that i know of |
| 03:25.44 | vick | Guerin, I am kind of confused |
| 03:25.45 | petemc | Guerin: sarge base is? |
| 03:25.47 | Snow-Man | Base is really bigger than 200MB these days? Huh. |
| 03:25.49 | LightVision | petemc: ifconfig doesnt tell how long modem been connected |
| 03:25.50 | Guerin | vick: the sanest way to do this would be to use debootstrap |
| 03:26.01 | petemc | LightVision: right |
| 03:26.03 | Guerin | petemc: the base install you get from d-i in non-expert mode, yeah |
| 03:26.03 | clarissa | snow-man but i dont know what :| |
| 03:26.03 | vick | Guerin, debootstrap ? |
| 03:26.10 | petemc | christ |
| 03:26.11 | crispynix-v6 | anyone know what you need to run to configure gstreamer's default outputs (e.g. alsa, xv, ...)? there used to be something called gst-config but it seems to be missing now. |
| 03:26.17 | LightVision | petemc: any other way? |
| 03:26.19 | petemc | woody was > 30 |
| 03:26.20 | Guerin | vick: are you running a *n?X system already? |
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| 03:26.22 | Snow-Man | LightVision: You could also just run 'ps awux | grep pppd' and look at when the process started... |
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| 03:26.39 | vick | Guerin, No |
| 03:26.49 | vick | Guerin, *nix ? |
| 03:26.51 | Guerin | the installer base puts a bunch of extra stuff in |
| 03:26.54 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Look for the line that says 'main' at the end of it. Just add ' contrib non-free' to that line. |
| 03:26.55 | Guerin | vick: unix |
| 03:27.11 | Guerin | vick: petemc has a point, though - you could install woody and then upgrade |
| 03:27.17 | petemc | LightVision: i dont know of any, sorry |
| 03:27.18 | LightVision | Snow-Man: you are a good man :) that command did it ;) |
| 03:27.31 | vick | Guerin, woody's base is small ? |
| 03:27.32 | clarissa | okay i try snow-man thank you |
| 03:27.37 | Guerin | vick: very |
| 03:27.40 | LightVision | petemc: ps awux | grep pppd <--- this works because it shows when connection was made, and the current time |
| 03:27.56 | Snow-Man | LightVision: Technically it shows when the pppd daemon was started. |
| 03:27.59 | vick | Guerin, Does it have something like net install ? |
| 03:28.06 | petemc | LightVision: fantastic then |
| 03:28.07 | Guerin | vick: yes. |
| 03:28.14 | Snow-Man | LightVision: Which might not be the same time as exactly when the modem connection was established. |
| 03:28.19 | LightVision | Snow-Man: yea, great command to know! thanks |
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| 03:28.38 | Snow-Man | LightVision: The 'ps' command is, like, really useful for lots of stuff.. |
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| 03:29.08 | LightVision | Snow-Man: that command shows me when connection was made and it shows me the current time! so its easy to work out how long its been connected :) |
| 03:29.09 | clarissa | Snow-Man there are many main's i could put contrib non-free behind |
| 03:29.21 | LightVision | Snow-Man: yeah, I made a note of "ps" :) |
| 03:29.31 | Snow-Man | clarissa: <Shrug> You can probably put contrib non-free next to all of them and it'd be fine. |
| 03:29.32 | deadcat | clarissa: put them all. |
| 03:29.48 | Guerin | um |
| 03:29.51 | Snow-Man | LightVision: Technically it'd be better to grok the log files. :) |
| 03:29.52 | Guerin | !guess |
| 03:29.52 | dpkg | hmm... guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 03:29.57 | deadcat | !seen gravity |
| 03:29.57 | Guerin | you guys are fucking stupid |
| 03:29.58 | dpkg | gravity <n=david@pool-141-149-187-226.bos.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 23h 14m 15s ago, saying: 'debian-devel-announce would be a better choice'. |
| 03:30.05 | clarissa | Snow-Man ishow you |
| 03:30.08 | deadcat | Guerin: i'll kill you!!! |
| 03:30.13 | Snow-Man | clarissa: No flooding... |
| 03:30.24 | clarissa | no i dont want to flood :( |
| 03:30.31 | Snow-Man | Good. :) |
| 03:30.38 | LightVision | Snow-Man: where is the kppp log files stored? |
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| 03:30.50 | Snow-Man | hahahahaha |
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| 03:31.11 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Sorry, freenode won't let me msg you, though you can msg me, long live OPN. |
| 03:31.23 | Snow-Man | LightVision: hrmmm, I'd expect under /var/log? |
| 03:31.36 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Lines starting with '#' are comments in that file and can therefore be ignored. |
| 03:32.06 | Snow-Man | LightVision: I think kppp just calls pppd anyway, so that's really want you want the log files for. |
| 03:32.25 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Add 'contrib non-free' to the other lines. |
| 03:32.55 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Blank lines are also ignored. |
| 03:32.56 | clarissa | between them? |
| 03:33.03 | Snow-Man | clarissa: At the *end* of those lines |
| 03:33.12 | Snow-Man | For example: |
| 03:33.13 | clarissa | okay at all or only one? |
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| 03:33.27 | Snow-Man | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
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| 03:33.33 | Snow-Man | clarissa: For all of them. |
| 03:33.35 | clarissa | sorry but its hard i cant know first time do this ^^" |
| 03:34.03 | clarissa | done :) |
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| 03:34.33 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Alright, now do 'apt-get update' |
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| 03:34.40 | deadcat | clarissa: turn 90 degree to your left |
| 03:34.42 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Then try the nvidia one-liner again. |
| 03:34.45 | clarissa | done ^^ |
| 03:34.49 | clarissa | okay :) |
| 03:35.02 | deadcat | clarissa: there, you know how to follow instructions (= |
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| 03:35.54 | clarissa | deadcat i mean its very hard if you do this the first time |
| 03:36.14 | clarissa | now i know how for the next time i need it ^^ |
| 03:36.37 | clarissa | installed without errors and ready with command line and now? restart? |
| 03:36.38 | deadcat | clarissa: ya. but you can either learn it or use a distro that does all this for you. (= |
| 03:36.51 | deadcat | clarissa: startx |
| 03:37.07 | leonardo_lopes | hippie, are there any native speaker of english that could tell me if there are any relation between key and password? |
| 03:37.10 | clarissa | deadcat i have choose this distro because it is a hard better for learning it :) |
| 03:37.33 | Snow-Man | leonardo_lopes: It's not uncommon for a password to be referred to as a 'key'. |
| 03:37.43 | clarissa | fatal error server is allready running @ deadcat |
| 03:38.31 | dondelelcaro | leonardo_lopes: although often a password has a far narrower meaning than key... |
| 03:38.50 | clarissa | i restart its the safest option :) |
| 03:38.56 | LightVision | Snow-Man: ok thanks |
| 03:38.58 | dondelelcaro | leonardo_lopes: since a key can be anything that opens a lock of any type, whereas a password refers specifically to a "word" used to gain acess (or pass by) something |
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| 03:39.52 | Snow-Man | I want centericq and aim to play nice again. :( |
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| 03:40.15 | AP03 | can anyone help with apt and kde? |
| 03:40.17 | Guerin | Snow-Man: why? just use bitlbee. |
| 03:40.28 | Snow-Man | Guerin: I don't like change? :) |
| 03:40.33 | Guerin | AP03: kde is broken in unstable. |
| 03:40.38 | Snow-Man | AP03: Only if you actually ask a question. |
| 03:40.42 | Guerin | Snow-Man: you poor bastard. |
| 03:40.50 | Snow-Man | Guerin: Indeed. |
| 03:40.53 | AP03 | Snow-Man: is it actually broken? |
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| 03:41.14 | Snow-Man | AP03: KDE is in a state of transition in unstable atm. |
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| 03:41.26 | AP03 | Snow-Man: any guesses on the eta? |
| 03:41.49 | Snow-Man | AP03: Unfortunately, no. You might check the debian-devel-announce archives, I believe there was some discussion about timeframe there. |
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| 03:42.07 | LightVision | Snow-Man: not there! any other idea where kppp logs would be kept? |
| 03:42.33 | Snow-Man | AP03: I *think* there's an apt repository out there that's got a version one can install into unstable currently but I don't know what it is (not being a big KDE fan). |
| 03:42.48 | Snow-Man | LightVision: Huh, not under /var/log? That'd be rather... odd. |
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| 03:43.43 | Snow-Man | LightVision: I'd look for 'pppd.log' or something, and failing that look for 'pppd' entries in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages. |
| 03:43.44 | LightVision | Snow-Man: yeah, kppp logs was nowhere to be found in /var/logs |
| 03:43.46 | IRCzito | somebody already configured some Cisco AIRONET 350?? |
| 03:43.51 | Guerin | AP03: it's possible to manually resolve the deps and make it install from testing/unstable |
| 03:44.00 | Snow-Man | IRCzito: Wtf are you talking about? |
| 03:44.10 | LightVision | Snow-Man: ok ty |
| 03:44.18 | Guerin | but it won't happen automatically, and until it's fixed, you'll be better off switching |
| 03:44.31 | Snow-Man | LightVision: Good luck. It's almost certainly logged *somewhere*. :) |
| 03:44.48 | AP03 | Guerin: switching |
| 03:44.49 | AP03 | ? |
| 03:44.49 | Snow-Man | Guerin: 'switching'? To what, gnome? |
| 03:45.02 | Guerin | eew, gnome |
| 03:45.09 | Guerin | even worse than kde |
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| 03:45.27 | Guerin | i recommend xfce4 or openbox or evilwm |
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| 03:45.48 | AP03 | i liked E but the stupid GTk fonts were huge |
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| 03:45.55 | deadcat | i recommend xfce4 and E17 to people (= |
| 03:45.59 | Guerin | easily fixed |
| 03:46.05 | miag | what is wrong with gnome? |
| 03:46.11 | Guerin | deadcat: you recommend e17 to people? |
| 03:46.16 | clarissa | deadcat it works :D huuugs |
| 03:46.17 | deadcat | Guerin: ya. |
| 03:46.20 | dondelelcaro | miag: it's gnome? |
| 03:46.37 | bob2 | stupid slashdot |
| 03:46.47 | Snow-Man | bob2: Indeed. |
| 03:46.47 | deadcat | clarissa: yeh.. what we talking about again? (= |
| 03:46.55 | Guerin | miag: what's right with it? It's huge, sprawling, treats its uses like morons, has ridiculous defaults that people hate, and lots of things don't work unless they're actually gnome apps. |
| 03:46.58 | Snow-Man | deadcat: nvidia drivers. |
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| 03:47.06 | deadcat | ah.. cool. (= |
| 03:47.12 | Guerin | deadcat: you're a fucking idiot. |
| 03:47.12 | clarissa | um :x i cant read the windows partitions :) |
| 03:47.23 | AP03 | anyone know how to get around the huge gtk fonts in E |
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| 03:47.25 | deadcat | Guerin: what the fuck (= |
| 03:47.31 | clarissa | lol deadcat xD |
| 03:47.33 | Guerin | !gtk fontsize |
| 03:47.33 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 03:47.34 | deadcat | AP03: ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 03:47.36 | Snow-Man | Guerin: yay for acceptance and understanding! |
| 03:47.37 | IRCzito | I am with problems to configure a Cisco AIRONET 350, Somebody can help me? |
| 03:47.41 | dondelelcaro | bob2: what now? |
| 03:47.43 | Guerin | deadcat: did he say gtk2? nope. |
| 03:47.44 | LightVision | aptitude says under "Security updates" kdegraphics! Is this something I have to install? |
| 03:47.49 | Snow-Man | IRCzito: Nope, sorry. |
| 03:47.50 | miag | Guerin: dillo and gaim wfm |
| 03:47.52 | deadcat | Guerin: fuck him then |
| 03:47.57 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: the stupid google story on the front page |
| 03:47.58 | dondelelcaro | !tell IRCzito -about ask |
| 03:48.12 | Guerin | miag: not all things don't work. |
| 03:48.20 | AP03 | deadcat: who's right - you or dpkg? |
| 03:48.23 | dondelelcaro | bob2: oh, the onion one? |
| 03:48.30 | deadcat | AP03: i am always WRONG! |
| 03:48.31 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Do you know what filesystem type the windows partitions are? |
| 03:48.34 | clarissa | how can i read the other partitions from my windows? ^^ |
| 03:48.36 | clarissa | yes :) |
| 03:48.40 | miag | Guerin: that is enough to me. but this is my case.. |
| 03:48.40 | clarissa | Fat32 |
| 03:48.42 | LightVision | is it safe to update kdegraphics under Sarge? |
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| 03:48.48 | deadcat | clarissa: man mount |
| 03:48.50 | Guerin | deadcat: not always; you're right that time. |
| 03:48.51 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: yeah |
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| 03:49.04 | Guerin | LightVision: apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 03:49.07 | clarissa | cant i set a automount script or such? ^^ |
| 03:49.09 | deadcat | Guerin: you're dead man!! (= |
| 03:49.22 | deadcat | clarissa: ya. /etc/fstab, put an entry in there. |
| 03:49.24 | Snow-Man | clarissa: fat32 should work, cat /proc/filesystems and look for a 'vfat' entry. |
| 03:49.33 | clarissa | okay ^^ |
| 03:49.52 | Snow-Man | clarissa: If you want your windows partitions mounted on every boot then, yeah, add an entry to /etc/fstab for them. |
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| 03:50.21 | Snow-Man | clarissa: I'd get them mounting manually using 'mount' first though, 'cause if the system can't mount them during boot and they're in fstab then it'll bail during bootup and complain loudly. :) |
| 03:50.25 | clarissa | i want to add an entry :) |
| 03:50.50 | Snow-Man | Well, ok, then go for it. :) |
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| 03:50.55 | clarissa | nooo O_O |
| 03:51.01 | clarissa | i dont want to crash my hardware :( |
| 03:51.11 | Snow-Man | Well, it wouldn't crash your hardware... |
| 03:51.15 | deadcat | clarissa: its vfat. how can you fuck it up? |
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| 03:51.32 | clarissa | i dont understand your sentences deadcat g |
| 03:51.32 | Snow-Man | deadcat: Uh, '/dev/hda' ? |
| 03:51.44 | fando | what's a good terminal emulator for development (no bells and whistles) |
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| 03:51.59 | xnet | what does the error "cannot open display: :0.0" mean? and how do i fix it? |
| 03:51.59 | bob2 | xterm |
| 03:52.00 | deadcat | Snow-Man: i dont know. dont have win here. |
| 03:52.00 | dondelelcaro | fando: anything that works, xterm, rxvt, uxterm... |
| 03:52.02 | Snow-Man | fando: That's a very odd question. |
| 03:52.03 | amphi | fando: mrxvt is quite nice, if you like tabs |
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| 03:52.07 | Snow-Man | fando: aterm? |
| 03:52.15 | Snow-Man | deadcat: erm. |
| 03:52.16 | dondelelcaro | xnet: it means that it can't open that display; set DISPLAY to the proper values. |
| 03:52.19 | fando | i'm using gnome-terminal.. itseems fast |
| 03:52.19 | deadcat | clarissa: if you dont understand it. just ignore it. (= |
| 03:52.20 | bob2 | xnet: dude, your question missed the bit where you explain what you were doing when you got that error |
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| 03:52.32 | deadcat | fando: if you have a fast computer. everything is fast. |
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| 03:52.36 | streuner | deadcat: hehe :-) |
| 03:52.41 | Snow-Man | deadcat: Just pointing out that it's not hard to goof an /etc/fstab entry. |
| 03:52.43 | fando | deadcat, it was fast on my 800 duron |
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| 03:52.51 | fando | under xfce |
| 03:53.02 | Snow-Man | fando: That's a fast computer. Try a 16mhz 386. :) |
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| 03:53.09 | fando | oh :) |
| 03:53.20 | Snow-Man | err, s/16mhz/40mhz/ |
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| 03:53.24 | xnet | bob2: i get the error when trying to open random apps in xterm |
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| 03:53.26 | Snow-Man | My brain's not entirely with it atm. |
| 03:53.36 | xnet | such as xcdroast |
| 03:53.37 | vick | can i get woody net install ? (i went to this page http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable) |
| 03:53.42 | vick | But i don't think that's woody |
| 03:53.43 | clarissa | in fstab is something inside ^^ my partition list :) |
| 03:53.49 | Snow-Man | vick: Whoah, whoah, woody is ancient... |
| 03:53.52 | bob2 | xnet: do you mean "I get this error when trying to run commands under su"? |
| 03:53.54 | fando | hrm, i'll need to try them out.. i need one designd to tail -f a storm of debugging info :P |
| 03:53.55 | streuner | !d-i vick |
| 03:53.56 | dpkg | vick, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:54.03 | xnet | yes |
| 03:54.04 | bob2 | vick: woody is quite old... |
| 03:54.07 | vick | Snow-Man, Yes i know |
| 03:54.15 | vick | I am aware it's ancient. |
| 03:54.16 | clarissa | but only the debian partitions and drives :( not the others how can i see what i must put in for the others? |
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| 03:54.20 | bob2 | xnet: so, that's a crucial point, which should have been in your initial question |
| 03:54.22 | fando | is there any way to have the root window display a terminal? |
| 03:54.23 | bob2 | !+run stuff as root |
| 03:54.23 | dpkg | "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" in your environment BEFORE you su, DO NOT use "su -" because that blows away your variable setting above. See also <sux>, <sshx>, <mit-magic-cookie>. |
| 03:54.28 | bob2 | xnet: ^^ |
| 03:54.28 | xnet | dig it, |
| 03:54.36 | Snow-Man | vick: Welp, good luck to you then, dunno if you'll be able to find an old woody iso. :) |
| 03:54.36 | vick | Anyone know from where i can get it ? |
| 03:54.39 | bob2 | sudo is simplest |
| 03:54.45 | mwilson | fando: Why? |
| 03:54.50 | vick | Guerin, Are you there ? |
| 03:54.56 | Guerin | vick: yes |
| 03:54.59 | fando | nm, weird thought |
| 03:55.08 | vick | Guerin, i am having a trouble finding woody net install iso file |
| 03:55.08 | Snow-Man | fando: Uhhh, you can make a terminal full-screen, if that's what you mean... |
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| 03:55.12 | clarissa | can't i set a automount for all automatic ? |
| 03:55.18 | Guerin | he needs a very small base |
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| 03:55.22 | Guerin | smaller than sarge |
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| 03:55.27 | deadcat | clarissa: as during bootup? |
| 03:55.39 | bob2 | vick: google appears to make it ridiculously easy to find them... |
| 03:55.44 | clarissa | um i dont know that what is better deadcat ^^" |
| 03:55.47 | streuner | vick: sarge is stable and has the latest software, why do you want a version of debian which is older? |
| 03:55.57 | fando | Snow-Man, but it'd be interesting to spew a tail -f to the bacgrkound and use "hide all windows" to page between it and your aps |
| 03:55.58 | mwilson | deadcat: Hm, downloaded the new openbox rc? |
| 03:56.03 | vick | streuner, because of size |
| 03:56.09 | streuner | ic |
| 03:56.10 | deadcat | clarissa: usually people just let the machine mount their windows partition during bootup |
| 03:56.11 | fando | but that's silly :P |
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| 03:56.18 | deadcat | mwilson: nah. whats new? |
| 03:56.21 | clarissa | i only want to read and write at my fat32 partitions :) if kde is started after login |
| 03:56.25 | xnet | bob2, i think you forgot the crucial part where you answer my question :) |
| 03:56.25 | Guerin | vick: http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-minicd/woody/ |
| 03:56.36 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Interesting idea, but generally under Unix-systems it's kind of a no-no to randomly probe hardware devices trying to mount them. |
| 03:56.41 | streuner | vick: my sarge server has 64 MB RAM and 512 MB HD.... |
| 03:56.44 | mwilson | deadcat: Nothing *I* care about... Pango support, primarily. |
| 03:56.47 | bob2 | xnet: no, read up, the bot told you how |
| 03:57.01 | vick | streuner, how much space is it installed on ? |
| 03:57.02 | clarissa | boot during bootup the windows partitions doesnt make data crashes? |
| 03:57.14 | xnet | you mean "set my display" |
| 03:57.16 | xnet | ? |
| 03:57.20 | amphi | clarissa: it's just a mount |
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| 03:57.35 | Snow-Man | fando: I've done that with transparent Eterms. Never tried having one be the root window tho, you could try it but I think your window manager might get pissy, or just confused, potentially. |
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| 03:57.41 | deadcat | mwilson: man i dont even know what pango is. (= |
| 03:57.44 | vick | Guerin, how come he got it installed on 512 MB hd ? |
| 03:57.51 | clarissa | okay how to put in at fstab my partitions? ^^ because i cant see them dont know how to put in then |
| 03:58.09 | Snow-Man | clarissa: You need to figure out which partitions are your windows partitions. |
| 03:58.10 | streuner | vick: without X |
| 03:58.14 | Guerin | vick: huh? You were trying to install it in 200MB |
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| 03:58.23 | clarissa | yes Snow-man how? ^^ |
| 03:58.31 | Inssomniak | besides just compiling a new 2.6 kernel, is there other things that have to be done to debian? |
| 03:58.34 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Personally I tend to use fdisk... |
| 03:58.36 | vick | Guerin, The space free i have is 518MB |
| 03:58.43 | deadcat | clarissa: /dev/hdXY /c vfat defaults 0 0 |
| 03:58.45 | vick | Guerin, i want to install it on 200MB |
| 03:58.54 | vick | Guerin, but it even failed to be installed on 518MB |
| 03:59.02 | Guerin | vick: oh, well, your problems are elsewhere, then. |
| 03:59.03 | Snow-Man | deadcat: That doesn't exactly help when she doesn't know what X and Y are. :) |
| 03:59.13 | deadcat | Snow-Man: not my problem (= |
| 03:59.18 | vick | Guerin, During the base system |
| 03:59.21 | Snow-Man | deadcat: Not to mention you better make sure she creates a /c before rebooting. |
| 03:59.22 | clarissa | thats not nice now ... |
| 03:59.24 | vick | Guerin, filesystem is FAT16 |
| 03:59.30 | Robot101 | Inssomniak: other things that have to be done to Debian to achieve what? |
| 03:59.32 | Guerin | aargh |
| 03:59.33 | Inssomniak | I installed a linux24 setup, I need to update to the linux-26 headers ? |
| 03:59.39 | Inssomniak | Robot101, I installed a linux24 setup, I need to update to the linux-26 headers ? |
| 03:59.46 | Guerin | can you even install sarge on a fat filesystem? |
| 03:59.57 | streuner | nah |
| 04:00.03 | Snow-Man | Inssomniak: Make sure you have module-init-tools installed.. |
| 04:00.06 | clarissa | okay then i dont mount :| |
| 04:00.07 | deadcat | Inssomniak: no. you install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 04:00.14 | Snow-Man | Guerin: I think there's a way to, but it's fugly. |
| 04:00.17 | Robot101 | Inssomniak: yeah, 2.6 kernels need module-init-tools. |
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| 04:00.27 | vick | Guerin, i cannot ? |
| 04:00.34 | deadcat | clarissa: fuck the windows partition. theres nothing there anyway.. exept your porns |
| 04:00.36 | Guerin | vick: use ext2 for a usb key |
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| 04:00.44 | Inssomniak | deadcat, what do you mean? |
| 04:00.49 | clarissa | deadcat are you ill? x.x |
| 04:00.57 | Guerin | clarissa: no, he's sick |
| 04:00.57 | deadcat | clarissa: no |
| 04:00.58 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Seriously, fdisk /dev/hda ; p |
| 04:00.59 | vick | the thing is i someone said that ext3 would ruin my usb lifetime |
| 04:01.03 | LightVision | Guerin: what exactly does install apt-listbugs do? |
| 04:01.04 | Robot101 | deadcat: why would you store porn on a windows partition? there are much better viewers in debian, like pornview... :) |
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| 04:01.10 | vick | due to much write/read or something like that |
| 04:01.10 | deadcat | Inssomniak: you want the headers right? or you want to upgrade to 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:01.11 | bob2 | xnet: no, read up. look for "sux" |
| 04:01.12 | Guerin | vick: which is why you should use ext*2* |
| 04:01.13 | Snow-Man | clarissa: That should print out something like: |
| 04:01.19 | LightVision | Robot101: thats enough |
| 04:01.20 | Snow-Man | /dev/hda1 1 63 506016 fd Linux raid autodetect |
| 04:01.20 | Snow-Man | /dev/hda2 64 3468 27350662+ fd Linux raid autodetect |
| 04:01.23 | vick | Guerin, yeah i wanted to ask if it had the same problem ? |
| 04:01.25 | Inssomniak | deadcat, I have a 2.6.13 kernel, I need the linux26 headers |
| 04:01.39 | deadcat | Robot101: sad... never heard of movies eh? |
| 04:01.44 | LightVision | Robot101: are you related to Steve McQueen? |
| 04:01.50 | miag | is there 686-based debian? |
| 04:01.50 | Snow-Man | Inssomniak: Which 2.6 headers do you need? |
| 04:01.56 | Guerin | vick: no, it doesn't. ext3 journals - constantly writes data to the disk. ext2 doesn't. |
| 04:01.57 | vick | Guerin, I cannot install debian on FAT16 or FAT32 ? |
| 04:02.00 | deadcat | Inssomniak: no. if you have 2.6.13 that means you have the source, you dont need headers |
| 04:02.01 | Guerin | vick: no |
| 04:02.03 | Robot101 | LightVision: apt-listbugs checks the BTS for serious bugs in packages you've just downloaded, then gives you a choice if you want to proceed installing them |
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| 04:02.17 | Guerin | vick: even if you get it installed, you'll find that enormous numbers of things don't work |
| 04:02.17 | vick | Guerin, hm it had them in the menu tho |
| 04:02.17 | Robot101 | LightVision: it's very helpful for avoiding serious breakages if you use unstable |
| 04:02.20 | clarissa | it shows an error |
| 04:02.23 | r3dw0rm | could someone tell me why fdisk sees my 200GB hd as only being 30GB? I added a 120GB drive with out a problem last year |
| 04:02.24 | vick | Guerin, why not ? |
| 04:02.24 | amphi | vick: why would you want to? |
| 04:02.32 | LightVision | Robot101: so how exactly do I use it then? |
| 04:02.33 | Snow-Man | miag: Most of Debian will run on 486 and higher. Certain packages which might benefit from 686-specific instructions have multiple packages in the archive, with various different CPU optimizations enabled. |
| 04:02.36 | Robot101 | LightVision: and yes, entirely possibly, but not in any way I'm aware of :) |
| 04:02.46 | vick | amphi, so that i would use all the other space by windows |
| 04:02.48 | dondelelcaro | r3dw0rm: does your bios see it as 200G? |
| 04:02.55 | LightVision | Robot101: hehe ;) |
| 04:02.59 | vick | amphi, in temporary stuff (copy/paste) |
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| 04:03.06 | Robot101 | LightVision: when you install it, it will hook itself into apt and run after the packages have been downloaded but before they're installed |
| 04:03.08 | Guerin | vick: certain files need to have certain permissions for programs to work. fat doesn't have ANY concept of unix filesystem permissions. |
| 04:03.09 | fando | yay I'm all configured |
| 04:03.10 | vick | Guerin, i'll retry with ext2 |
| 04:03.14 | LightVision | Robot101: so how exactly do I use apt-listbugs once its finished installing? |
| 04:03.21 | Inssomniak | deadcat, oh OK, a program Im trying to use said it needed linux26-headers |
| 04:03.35 | Snow-Man | clarissa: What's the error? |
| 04:03.36 | deadcat | Inssomniak: you're not using debian then |
| 04:03.39 | Robot101 | Inssomniak: which program is this? a driver of some sort? |
| 04:03.44 | r3dw0rm | Ill check but this proliant bios is nuts |
| 04:03.45 | Inssomniak | Robot101, vdr |
| 04:03.47 | r3dw0rm | brb |
| 04:03.55 | LightVision | Robot101: so once apt-listbugs is installed it works in the background and I dont have to worry aboput it? install programs using synaptic, aptitude and apt-get as usual? |
| 04:03.56 | fando | it even suspends properly, nice :) |
| 04:03.57 | amphi | fando: everything working? |
| 04:04.17 | Guerin | fando: biometrics? |
| 04:04.20 | Snow-Man | LightVision: Certainly aptitude and apt-get work w/ apt-listbugs. |
| 04:04.20 | fando | yeah when i close the laptop and come back later it has the locked screen |
| 04:04.35 | fando | biometrics? |
| 04:04.42 | xnet | bob2: thank you for your help, i'll try ask questions better and actually see the answers. |
| 04:04.44 | Guerin | fando: fingerprint reader, etc? |
| 04:04.52 | fando | this doesn't have one |
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| 04:04.54 | Guerin | not all models have them |
| 04:04.56 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 04:05.02 | clarissa | hda5 and hda6 is logical W95 Fat32 @ Snow-Man |
| 04:05.03 | fando | it's a custom build r51 |
| 04:05.16 | Robot101 | LightVision: I'm not sure about synaptic, but apt-get and aptitude will definitely ask you if you want to proceed when you're about to install buggy packages |
| 04:05.19 | miag | Snow-Man: can i build 686-based debian? |
| 04:05.21 | fando | well "custom" being a choice of windows xp home or pro |
| 04:05.24 | vick | Guerin, i don't think that's the problem tho |
| 04:05.25 | Guerin | miag: WOFT |
| 04:05.27 | fando | (damn you lenovo) |
| 04:05.27 | deadcat | mwilson: you using xorg -6 yet? |
| 04:05.30 | amphi | fando: heh |
| 04:05.30 | Guerin | vick: may not be |
| 04:05.37 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Ah, ok, then maybe try this: mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt |
| 04:05.38 | LightVision | Snow-Man: ok |
| 04:05.39 | vick | Guerin, because the base system proceeded like 40% then it stopped, so i figured it was size |
| 04:05.52 | Snow-Man | miag: Sure, but it's not exactly easy. |
| 04:05.54 | Guerin | !woft |
| 04:05.54 | mwilson | deadcat: I installed it, haven't restarted X yet though. |
| 04:05.54 | dpkg | woft is probably Waste of Flipping Time |
| 04:05.55 | fando | but I got my memory aftermarket, no way i was paying $400 extra for 1gb |
| 04:06.06 | clarissa | cool now i understand the commands :) its not hard ^^ |
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| 04:06.16 | miag | ok |
| 04:06.18 | amphi | fando: you have 1.5gb ? |
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| 04:06.22 | Robot101 | miag: it's generally believed that compiling all of your software for a specific processor is a waste of time |
| 04:06.24 | deadcat | mwilson: i seem to have problem with xterm. the cursor is moving very slow compare to -5 |
| 04:06.25 | clarissa | i think i'll make me a script running in bash for mounting :) |
| 04:06.34 | Robot101 | miag: there are very few specific operations which can be made faster |
| 04:06.35 | fando | the minimum was 256 mb, so I've 1.25 |
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| 04:06.42 | deadcat | clarissa: what the fuck. thats what /etc/fstab is for.. learn it. |
| 04:06.43 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Well, once you're sure of the arguments and the partitions you can just modify /etc/fstab appropriately. |
| 04:06.43 | LightVision | Robot101: i did a apt-get upgrade. But after that, Synaptic still showing "kdegraphics" under the "security updates" section! How come apt-get upgrade didnt install it if its a security update? |
| 04:06.47 | amphi | fando: nice |
| 04:06.58 | Robot101 | miag: such as memcpy, some cryptography, and this kind of thing |
| 04:06.59 | Snow-Man | deadcat: Hey, crackhead, lighten up a little. |
| 04:07.02 | LightVision | Robot101: I meant aptitude is showing it |
| 04:07.05 | clarissa | deadcat i dont want it because a script is cooler live with that :p |
| 04:07.08 | deadcat | Snow-Man: shut up |
| 04:07.19 | LightVision | fando: me too! my second day |
| 04:07.25 | deadcat | clarissa: ah... you should try LFS |
| 04:07.25 | amphi | fando: works like a charm here on a t42 |
| 04:07.26 | fando | i even have ubuntu discs, but I stayed with what I knew :) |
| 04:07.29 | clarissa | Snow-Man this deadcat is very agressive right? :/ |
| 04:07.43 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Yeah, he's a monkey, just ignore him. :) |
| 04:07.47 | clarissa | lol xD |
| 04:07.47 | Robot101 | miag: and media players too. in debian, most of the software where it makes a difference will automatically use MMX/SSE/SIMD/3dNow if you have them. |
| 04:07.57 | clarissa | and you have humor xD |
| 04:08.17 | deadcat | ok ok... i am out. |
| 04:08.39 | Robot101 | miag: so you could spend a few days recompiling everything else, but the difference in performance wouldn't make it worth your time |
| 04:09.01 | fando | get the gartoon icon theme for gnome, it's cute |
| 04:09.04 | Robot101 | (although trying to build debian from source is a good way to get a crash course in how it fits together :D) |
| 04:09.07 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Can't take anything too seriously. :) |
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| 04:09.12 | vick | Guerin, but why would flash memory be ruined from excessive write ? |
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| 04:09.17 | Snow-Man | Robot101: And how it doesn't... :) |
| 04:09.20 | amphi | I see no gnome here |
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| 04:09.33 | Snow-Man | amphi: The garden variety? |
| 04:09.33 | clarissa | Snow-Man i make me a script :) everytime i run this then it will mount my 2 drives :x |
| 04:09.36 | clarissa | thats cool xD |
| 04:09.47 | Robot101 | Snow-Man: then you can learn the BTS too :) |
| 04:09.55 | LightVision | I installed Sarge yeterday! and today I typed "apt-get update" and apt-get upgrade! Now do I have to type "apt-get distro-upgrade" ? |
| 04:09.56 | amphi | Snow-Man: arbitrary variety ;) |
| 04:09.57 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Sure. Or you could use /etc/fstab to mount it every time you boot. <Shrug> |
| 04:10.01 | clarissa | and if i dont want after a start for mounting them i dont stard the script :) |
| 04:10.10 | amphi | LightVision: indeed not |
| 04:10.17 | Robot101 | LightVision: when you did upgrade, did it say some packages had been held back? |
| 04:10.23 | LightVision | amphi: so I dont have to do any more? |
| 04:10.23 | Snow-Man | Robot101: bugs for circular deps aren't likely to get far. :/ |
| 04:10.25 | clarissa | yes Snow-Man but thats i dont want exactly :) if somebody shouldnt see what there is i mustnd mount this xD |
| 04:10.35 | Robot101 | Snow-Man: oh, yeah. we need USE flags. :) |
| 04:10.38 | LightVision | Robot101: no! when i did upgrade it said nothing |
| 04:10.41 | Snow-Man | clarissa: hahaha. |
| 04:10.41 | fando | what do usb keydrives mount as? |
| 04:10.44 | LightVision | Robot101: ill try again |
| 04:10.45 | clarissa | xD |
| 04:10.48 | resiak | fando: Depends where you wount |
| 04:10.49 | Snow-Man | clarissa: So you *do* have porn on there, eh? :D |
| 04:10.49 | vick | Faithful, scsi |
| 04:10.52 | resiak | fando: Depends where you mounted them. |
| 04:10.58 | clarissa | Snow-Man NOOOOOO >.< |
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| 04:11.05 | fando | oh, have to mount |
| 04:11.06 | amphi | LightVision: no, until there's a security update that applies to you |
| 04:11.07 | Snow-Man | clarissa: btw, 'umount /mnt' is how you unmount the partition. |
| 04:11.08 | LightVision | Robot101: this time i typed apt-get upgrade, it installs kdegraphics |
| 04:11.09 | clarissa | damn -.-"""" |
| 04:11.14 | Snow-Man | clarissa: hehe. |
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| 04:11.16 | LightVision | amphi: ok im done then :) |
| 04:11.18 | resiak | fando: If you mean "what device are they?", /dev/sd* . Check dmesg to see exactly what. |
| 04:11.27 | Robot101 | LightVision: ah, did you run update again in between times? |
| 04:11.33 | LightVision | amphi: when new security updates released, aptitude will show it? |
| 04:11.38 | clarissa | unmount ? i cant work with this give me an example please |
| 04:11.40 | fando | ok, thanks |
| 04:11.41 | LightVision | Robot101: I think I did, yes :P |
| 04:11.41 | clarissa | hda5 |
| 04:11.47 | Robot101 | LightVision: that'd be it then :) |
| 04:11.48 | amphi | LightVision: it would do no harm to subscribe to the security list, if you haven't already |
| 04:11.50 | clarissa | give me the code for unmount hda5 please |
| 04:11.55 | Snow-Man | clarissa: uhh, umount /mnt |
| 04:11.58 | vick | streuner, Why would flash memory be damaged from excessive write ? |
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| 04:12.03 | Snow-Man | clarissa: If you mounted /dev/hda5 on /mnt, that is. |
| 04:12.08 | resiak | clarissa: umount /where/you/mounted/dev/hda5 |
| 04:12.09 | vick | streuner, as in the case of ext3 filesystem |
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| 04:12.15 | resiak | clarissa: Alternatively, just umount /dev/hda5 |
| 04:12.17 | Snow-Man | clarissa: You can run just 'mount' if you want to see what's mounted. |
| 04:12.19 | clarissa | lol xD |
| 04:12.21 | clarissa | okay :) |
| 04:12.30 | Guerin | vick: the short answer is "because that's how it is" |
| 04:12.30 | amphi | vick: AFAIK it can only be written a certain number of times - it 'wears out' |
| 04:12.31 | Robot101 | LightVision: for future reference, when apt-get upgrade holds something back, it means that there's a new version, but in order to install it you'd need to remove some other package it conflicted with, or install a new package that it depends on |
| 04:12.32 | Snow-Man | clarissa: You can also run 'df' to see what's mounted, and amount of disk space free and stuff. |
| 04:12.32 | LightVision | so is aptitude, get-apt and Synaptic ALL the same thing? |
| 04:12.49 | clarissa | Snow-Man i can start cfdisk for this :) |
| 04:12.51 | Snow-Man | LightVision: Different user interfaces to the same packaging system.. |
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| 04:13.03 | LightVision | Robot101: ok, but for a newbie, how would we know what to remove etc? |
| 04:13.07 | zinx | LightVision: no, they are all libapt frontends, except get-apt, but i assume you mean apt-get there |
| 04:13.09 | Robot101 | LightVision: so you can either try and do "apt-get install package" and it will tell you what would need to be done to upgrade that package |
| 04:13.11 | streuner | vick: why do you ask me a question who somebody told you? |
| 04:13.14 | LightVision | Snow-Man: ok, i like aptitude myself :) |
| 04:13.22 | vick | streuner, i confused you |
| 04:13.23 | Snow-Man | LightVision: Yeah, aptitude seems to work pretty well. |
| 04:13.26 | LightVision | Robot101: ok thanks |
| 04:13.26 | streuner | vick: and saying its true |
| 04:13.31 | Robot101 | LightVision: or you can do apt-get dist-upgrade and it will try and work out all the packages to add/remove so that everything gets upgraded |
| 04:13.32 | streuner | vick: fuck you |
| 04:13.37 | clarissa | x.x |
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| 04:13.41 | clarissa | nice words streuner x.x |
| 04:13.41 | LightVision | Snow-Man: yeah, like aptitude better than Synaptix |
| 04:13.41 | vick | Excuse you |
| 04:14.05 | vick | streuner, go play somewhere else kid |
| 04:14.08 | LightVision | So I should type "apt-get dist-upgrade" ? And this wont break my Sarge? |
| 04:14.14 | Robot101 | LightVision: but be careful to read what dist-upgrade is planning to do before saying yes, because it will very happily remove all your packages just so that the one you have left is the latest version :) |
| 04:14.14 | vick | streuner, fucking gay faggot |
| 04:14.20 | vick | streuner, you are ignored too. |
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| 04:14.28 | Snow-Man | LightVision: aptitude dist-upgrade :) |
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| 04:14.29 | Guerin | right on |
| 04:14.31 | clarissa | lol now i have mounted all in the folder mnt loool xD |
| 04:14.41 | resiak | \o/ |
| 04:14.46 | Snow-Man | LightVision: And then 'e' if you want to go into 'visual' mode. |
| 04:14.46 | clarissa | all in one not drive for drive lol :x |
| 04:14.56 | fando | oh, it's type usbfs |
| 04:14.56 | LightVision | Robot101: some programs says its going to remove kde, gpgp etc |
| 04:15.03 | amphi | !pal clarissa |
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| 04:15.18 | LightVision | Snow-Man: so I type "apt-get dist-upgrade e" ? |
| 04:15.27 | Snow-Man | LightVision: errr, no.. |
| 04:15.31 | Snow-Man | LightVision: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 04:15.33 | LightVision | !pal amphi |
| 04:15.46 | LightVision | amphi: :) |
| 04:15.46 | Snow-Man | LightVision: Then it'll tell you what it wants to do and ask what you want it to do. |
| 04:15.52 | Snow-Man | LightVision: (If there's anything to be done) |
| 04:16.06 | LightVision | Snow-Man: ok! but will apt-get dist-upgrade be safe and it wont break my Sarge? |
| 04:16.24 | resiak | Robot101: Are you usually in here? |
| 04:16.24 | Snow-Man | LightVision: Then you can read through what it's suggesting to do, hit 'Y' for do it, 'N' for don't do it, or 'e' for enter visual mode, or some other options. |
| 04:16.37 | Robot101 | LightVision: it shouldn't do, but it might not always. you should always read what it wants to do before you say yes. |
| 04:16.41 | Guerin | LightVision: if you only have sarge sources, it should be fine. |
| 04:16.45 | Snow-Man | LightVision: You need to carefully read what it wants to do to be sure it won't break things. :) |
| 04:16.52 | LightVision | ok |
| 04:16.55 | LightVision | sounds scary :) |
| 04:17.02 | Snow-Man | LightVision: And if you have questions, ask folks. |
| 04:17.03 | LightVision | apt-get dist-upgrade <-- sounds very scary :P |
| 04:17.08 | Robot101 | LightVision: if it looks like its about to remove something you use, or a lot of things, then check it out before saying yes |
| 04:17.09 | LightVision | ok |
| 04:17.14 | Guerin | don't be a wuss |
| 04:17.19 | LightVision | Guerin: lol |
| 04:17.21 | Snow-Man | LightVision: If you're tracking a stable distro (such as sarge) then generally there won't be much in the way of changes. |
| 04:17.25 | Guerin | :) |
| 04:17.25 | clarissa | okay now to my script :x it starts with "#!/bin/bash" <---- right Snow-Man ? :) |
| 04:17.32 | Robot101 | resiak: I used to be... |
| 04:17.35 | Snow-Man | clarissa: sure. |
| 04:17.38 | clarissa | okay :) |
| 04:17.43 | LightVision | so I have Sarge Debian 3.1 installed! So what exacty will apt-get dist-upgrade do? what exactly does it upgrade? |
| 04:17.48 | Robot101 | resiak: but then I found the secret exit and went to the higher level :) |
| 04:17.57 | clarissa | this script is cool because i can mount and unmount with this scripts everytime i need ^^ |
| 04:17.58 | Guerin | LightVision: whatever needs updating and upgrading |
| 04:17.59 | Snow-Man | LightVision: It'll tell you.. |
| 04:18.02 | clarissa | like hide partitions :) |
| 04:18.05 | Guerin | LightVision: probably not very much |
| 04:18.07 | LightVision | ok |
| 04:18.15 | LightVision | here goes :) |
| 04:18.17 | LightVision | wish me luck |
| 04:18.20 | LightVision | brb |
| 04:18.22 | resiak | Robot101: I see. What's the sekrit haxor command for the higher level? I hear it's /server 1337 :) |
| 04:18.23 | Snow-Man | hehe. |
| 04:18.31 | dendrite | I need to set up a web browser to handle japanese (ISO-2022-JP). Are there any resources for learning how to do this, or could someone help me figure out what packages to install and configure? |
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| 04:18.53 | Guerin | dendrite: apt-cache search fonts asian |
| 04:18.59 | resiak | dendrite: Make sure you have decent .jp fonts installed. That should be all you have to do. |
| 04:19.14 | Robot101 | LightVision: it's safe until you let it do something bad :) |
| 04:19.17 | LightVision | ROFL! want to know what it said when I typed in apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 04:19.20 | dendrite | Guerin, resiak -- Thanks, I'll give it a shot. |
| 04:19.32 | Robot101 | LightVision: unable to lock administration area, are you root? |
| 04:19.36 | LightVision | ROFL! want to know what it said when I typed in apt-get dist-upgrade? it said: Calculating Upgrade... Done |
| 04:19.36 | LightVision | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 04:19.37 | Snow-Man | LightVision: If it's any consolation, I dist-upgrade alot, and I track unstable, and my machine generally works. :) |
| 04:19.45 | Guerin | LightVision: like I said :) |
| 04:19.47 | Snow-Man | LightVision: Well, good, it didn't need to do any upgrades then. |
| 04:19.48 | LightVision | it seems its fine :) |
| 04:19.49 | amphi | clarissa: you can mount with mount(8) ;) |
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| 04:20.10 | Snow-Man | amphi: We've been down that road already actually... :) |
| 04:20.10 | LightVision | well, that was fun :) |
| 04:20.11 | LightVision | hehe |
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| 04:20.18 | Robot101 | LightVision: dist-upgrade does the same thing as upgrade, but it just tries a bit harder to make sure everything upgrades :) |
| 04:20.22 | amphi | Snow-Man: oh, well |
| 04:20.24 | Snow-Man | clarissa: btw, amphi does remind me, there's these things called 'man pages'... |
| 04:20.30 | LightVision | did I tell you all that I simply love Debian :) |
| 04:20.30 | Robot101 | LightVision: it doesn't magically go and find newer packages :) |
| 04:20.32 | clarissa | amphi i have learned it at this way now and i dont go another :) |
| 04:20.41 | LightVision | Robot101: ok thats good to know |
| 04:20.42 | clarissa | lol Snow-Man :x |
| 04:20.48 | Snow-Man | clarissa: If you want to get information about a command, what it does, what options it takes, etc, you can run 'man <command>' |
| 04:20.52 | Robot101 | LightVision: they all run from the sources you have configured in sources.list |
| 04:20.52 | Snow-Man | clarissa: ie: man mount |
| 04:21.06 | LightVision | Robot101: I have 5 lines in my sources.list |
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| 04:21.34 | LightVision | Robot101: I hope I got all I need in my sources.list |
| 04:21.43 | Snow-Man | clarissa: (To be distinguished from 'mount man', of course) |
| 04:21.45 | Robot101 | resiak: I can't really remember, but it was probably a case of having questions about packaging that people here couldn't answer, so I went and annoyed the developers instead, until I found something useful to do and became a developer :) |
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| 04:22.07 | Robot101 | resiak: and when I say annoyed them, I really did, I was about 15 or 16 :) |
| 04:22.13 | clarissa | cool today i have installed debian learned how to mount and make own script ^-^ |
| 04:22.15 | clarissa | happy |
| 04:22.26 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Good stuff. :) |
| 04:22.31 | clarissa | thank you :D |
| 04:22.40 | Snow-Man | clarissa: No prob. |
| 04:22.54 | resiak | Robot101: I seeeeee. On my few visits to -devel I have been shouted at, so dds now scare me :) |
| 04:23.02 | clarissa | the script doesnt work with doubleklick from desktop why not? @ Snow-Man |
| 04:23.14 | Snow-Man | clarissa: You might need to make it executable. |
| 04:23.15 | amphi | clarissa: is it executable? |
| 04:23.18 | clarissa | i have :) |
| 04:23.19 | resiak | Are you root? |
| 04:23.21 | clarissa | it is ^^ |
| 04:23.21 | Snow-Man | clarissa: chmod 755 <file> |
| 04:23.27 | resiak | No! You're not! Hooray! |
| 04:23.28 | clarissa | oh chmod? |
| 04:23.34 | Robot101 | resiak: I had the +5 Ring of Adolescence :) |
| 04:23.47 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Ah, the other issue is that you have to be root to mount/unmount things... |
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| 04:23.49 | resiak | Robot101: I still have the +3 Ring of Teens. |
| 04:24.00 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Unless you put an appropriate entry into /etc/fstab for it, that is... |
| 04:24.09 | resiak | Snow-Man: Unless they are in fstab with... yes, you're on the ball :) |
| 04:24.16 | clarissa | right klick settings and make executable with this box isnt enough Snow-Man = |
| 04:24.18 | Snow-Man | clarissa: You can have entries in /etc/fstab which don't get mounted on boot actually. |
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| 04:24.31 | Robot101 | resiak: there's nothing secret about the developer channel, the barrier is a mental one :) |
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| 04:24.41 | Snow-Man | clarissa: There's options you can pass, you can also set it so that a non-root user can mount them. |
| 04:24.53 | clarissa | oooh okay :) |
| 04:24.56 | Robot101 | resiak: I remember when someone told me a linuxnet IRC server, where loads of kernel hackers hang out |
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| 04:25.08 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Oh, I dunno, that might be enough, I don't tend to make things executable using my window manager.. :) |
| 04:25.19 | Robot101 | resiak: I signed on and joined the kernel channel, but I was too scared and left again, because I assumed people would shout at me for being there :) |
| 04:25.38 | clarissa | window manager? :D explain :D |
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| 04:25.56 | resiak | Snow-Man: Nor does clarissa. A file browser is not a WM. :) |
| 04:26.06 | resiak | Robot101: Hah. Admittedly, the things that I have asked them about have always turned out to be PEBKAC so |
| 04:26.15 | clarissa | i know resiak :) |
| 04:26.20 | Snow-Man | resiak: Oh, pah, like I know if she's using a real file browser or some WM. :P |
| 04:26.32 | Robot101 | resiak: I'm good at finding questions people think they can answer but actually can't |
| 04:26.35 | clarissa | thats to much for meeee X.x |
| 04:26.35 | resiak | Snow-Man: Can you think of a WM that does chmod? |
| 04:26.38 | LightVision | whats the most colourful and good looking terminal available? |
| 04:26.49 | Robot101 | resiak: it's quite frustrating, because we have to go through all of the things I already worked out, only to find they don't know either :) |
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| 04:27.02 | clarissa | i can put this scripts into my home dir and start with sh :x |
| 04:27.05 | clarissa | that i do :D |
| 04:27.06 | Snow-Man | LightVision: Eterm? :) |
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| 04:27.29 | resiak | LightVision: In my case, it's $foo with transparency, because I have pretty wallpapers. Try them all, see which you like. They should really all look similar --- they're only terms. |
| 04:27.39 | Snow-Man | clarissa: btw, man pages also work for other things, like files. |
| 04:27.41 | LightVision | Snow-Man: ill try eterm then |
| 04:27.51 | LightVision | resiak: ok |
| 04:27.53 | Snow-Man | clarissa: So if you're curious about /etc/fstab you can do 'man fstab' |
| 04:27.54 | clarissa | yes Snow-Man ^^ man is manual i think :) |
| 04:28.02 | Snow-Man | LightVision: aterm's also good I think. |
| 04:28.10 | LightVision | Snow-Man: ok ty |
| 04:28.12 | clarissa | omg let me learn as i will xD |
| 04:28.14 | Snow-Man | clarissa: Well, yes, technically it's short for manual. :) |
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| 04:28.20 | resiak | LightVision: rxvt-unicode and xfce4-terminal come with my recommendations |
| 04:28.26 | clarissa | fstab today too ? thats to much for me for one night :/ |
| 04:28.47 | LightVision | Snow-Man: ok |
| 04:28.56 | LightVision | resiak: ok |
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| 04:30.14 | LightVision | Snow-Man: night, sleep well |
| 04:30.16 | fando | heh, debianhelp.org is cute |
| 04:30.19 | Snow-Man | Thanks, you too. |
| 04:30.32 | Guerin | resiak: xfce4-terminal is /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator |
| 04:30.39 | clarissa | okay my scripts doesnt work |
| 04:30.41 | Snow-Man | :) |
| 04:30.43 | clarissa | not a problem :) |
| 04:30.43 | Snow-Man | Night. |
| 04:30.50 | clarissa | good night Snow-Man ^^ |
| 04:30.54 | LightVision | Snow-Man: thanks for all your help today |
| 04:30.57 | fando | okie, thanks for help |
| 04:31.26 | resiak | Guerin: No, it isn't. |
| 04:31.36 | LightVision | and cuddles |
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| 04:32.01 | clarissa | why does "mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/hda5" not work 2nd time? |
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| 04:32.09 | resiak | Because it's already mounted... |
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| 04:32.13 | clarissa | no ^^ |
| 04:32.16 | clarissa | i have umount |
| 04:32.38 | Guerin | resiak: hrm. |
| 04:32.40 | clarissa | hm mount point hda5 does not exist i think i must make a folder with this name |
| 04:32.49 | resiak | yes, yes you must. |
| 04:32.56 | Guerin | resiak: what is it, then? |
| 04:32.56 | omi | has anyone used Xdmx? I'm having issues with -input local,kbd,ps2 not being recognized even though that is straigt from example |
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| 04:33.43 | resiak | Guerin: It's based on the same library as gnome-terminal, but doesn't appear to suck quite so much. |
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| 04:34.14 | Guerin | resiak: it seems you're right |
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| 04:34.31 | resiak | Guerin: I know I'm right. I use it. :) |
| 04:34.34 | Guerin | heh |
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| 04:35.46 | resiak | Guerin: It's useless until all the Alt-# bindings (for tabs) are removed, though. |
| 04:36.39 | lunaphyte | if i want to software raid 2 disks (raid 1) broken up into multiple partitions, do i raid the 2 disks together first, and then create the partitions on the raid device, or do i create all of the partitions on the disks individually, and then raid each pair of partitions together? |
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| 04:37.01 | lunaphyte | ugh. that was long-winded |
| 04:37.09 | clarissa | okay good night you all :) |
| 04:37.22 | LightVision | clarissa: :) |
| 04:37.31 | clarissa | see ya ^^ |
| 04:37.39 | clarissa | oh :x |
| 04:37.41 | LightVision | clarissa: sleep well |
| 04:37.52 | clarissa | thank you ^^ |
| 04:37.54 | LightVision | clarissa: ty :) |
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| 04:37.58 | amphi | clarissa: happy mounting |
| 04:38.02 | dendrite | OK, I found and installed xfonts-intl-japanese and xfonts-intl-japanese-big (and mozilla-locale-ja for good measure), and restarted the X session I'm using for testing, but the characters still show up as boxes with letters/numbers inside. (Mozilla) Any more breadcrumbs I might follow? |
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| 04:38.05 | clarissa | lol amphi yes :) |
| 04:38.13 | clarissa | i have a script for mount ^^ |
| 04:38.24 | resiak | lunaphyte: The former. Read some RAID doc. |
| 04:38.26 | LightVision | amphi: that can be taken to mean a couple of things :P |
| 04:38.28 | dendrite | No xfs here. Would Xprint matter? |
| 04:38.34 | resiak | s/.$/s./ |
| 04:38.36 | Guerin | dendrite: mess with the preferred locale settings, and the fonts used for which locales |
| 04:38.44 | LightVision | amphi: happy mounting <-- can mean a couple of things :P |
| 04:38.53 | dendrite | Guerin: In Mozilla, you mean? |
| 04:39.15 | Guerin | dendrite: yeah |
| 04:39.16 | amphi | LightVision: indeed |
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| 04:39.58 | dendrite | Guerin: Ideally it sees the ISO-2022-JP charset header and goes from there. :-) But I'll take a look. Thanks for the clues, I appreciate it! |
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| 04:40.17 | Guerin | dendrite: yeah. It depends which fonts you've got set for that locale. |
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| 04:40.46 | LightVision | how can I add extracting support for compressed files to right click on konqueror ? |
| 04:40.55 | LightVision | if that made sense :P |
| 04:40.56 | lunaphyte | resiak: thanks. somehow i missed the 'size' option staring me in the face. |
| 04:40.57 | Jackel | anyone know of a decent but very low resources window emulator? |
| 04:41.15 | LightVision | lunaphyte: and its a lovelt face too I'm sure :) |
| 04:41.24 | LightVision | lovelt = lovely |
| 04:41.28 | resiak | lunaphyte: :) |
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| 04:41.34 | resiak | Jackel: "Window emulator"? |
| 04:41.39 | Jackel | windows* |
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| 04:41.48 | LightVision | Jackel: tried wine? |
| 04:41.48 | Guerin | Jackel: no such thing |
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| 04:42.05 | Jackel | LightVision: yes, it's not a light emulator |
| 04:42.07 | LightVision | Jackel: Wine is very low resources window emulator |
| 04:42.10 | amphi | Jackel: reactos under qemu? dunno about light |
| 04:42.13 | resiak | There's more than one Windows API reimplementation? |
| 04:42.20 | LightVision | Jackel: ok I thought it was ligjht |
| 04:42.33 | resiak | ReactOS under Qemu is by _no_ means light :) |
| 04:42.34 | Jackel | LightVision: my PC isn't that big :) |
| 04:42.35 | lunaphyte | LightVision: probably not at this point. ;) |
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| 04:42.57 | LightVision | Jackel: i only know of win2lin, wine |
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| 04:43.12 | LightVision | win4lin sorry |
| 04:43.17 | amphi | resiak: ;) |
| 04:43.21 | Jackel | LightVision: never heard of win4lin |
| 04:43.28 | Jackel | LightVision: maybe ill try that, thanks |
| 04:43.36 | LightVision | Jackel: win4lin is like wine |
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| 04:43.52 | Jackel | LightVision: ill try |
| 04:43.53 | LightVision | theres another that costs money |
| 04:43.58 | LightVision | cant remember the name |
| 04:44.06 | valdyn_ | LightVision: vmware? |
| 04:44.09 | Guerin | it's called 'windows' |
| 04:44.12 | lunaphyte | resiak: hmm. once i create a 10gb partition for / (out of 318gb), it tells me the remaining 308gb is unusable. |
| 04:44.13 | LightVision | valdyn_: thats it :) |
| 04:44.17 | ultraviolet16 | hi everyone.. I wouldn't come off so desperate, but I've made a major mistake. I actually began to format a ntfs partition and forgetting to backup some data. it was 0% when i started, can anyone please help me get some data out of there? |
| 04:44.22 | LightVision | Guerin: hehe |
| 04:44.23 | resiak | lunaphyte: \o/ |
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| 04:44.35 | resiak | lunaphyte: "it" being? |
| 04:44.48 | ultraviolet16 | i'm running a livecd dynebolic now on the machine to try and get some data out |
| 04:45.02 | resiak | Why ask #debian? |
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| 04:45.06 | Guerin | ultraviolet16: can you mount the partition? |
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| 04:45.18 | lunaphyte | resiak: eh - sorry - the debian installer. |
| 04:45.19 | Bac9 | anyone know if the maintainer of tspc hangs around here? |
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| 04:45.22 | Guerin | resiak has a good point |
| 04:45.26 | resiak | lunaphyte: *shrug* |
| 04:45.48 | ultraviolet16 | dyne tried and wasn't successful |
| 04:45.56 | ultraviolet16 | it's on hda1 |
| 04:46.01 | lunaphyte | resiak: thanks |
| 04:46.20 | Guerin | ultraviolet16: if you can't mount the filesystem, you're not likely to be able to do much |
| 04:46.22 | ultraviolet16 | resiak: I ask here cause it's where i'm most familiar with, here and on #linux |
| 04:46.44 | resiak | I see. |
| 04:47.42 | Guerin | ultraviolet16: try it in a windows machine, but ntfs is very fragile. |
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| 04:48.23 | ultraviolet16 | Guerin: i'm trying to mount now |
| 04:48.52 | Robot101 | lunaphyte: are there other partitions there already? |
| 04:49.30 | Robot101 | lunaphyte: there's only space for four primary partitions in PC partition tables, so if you have three primary partitions and make a fourth primary, you can't make any more |
| 04:50.04 | ultraviolet16 | there was only one main partition on this drive.. hda1 |
| 04:50.23 | Robot101 | ultraviolet16: I'm talking to lunaphyte |
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| 04:50.54 | Robot101 | lunaphyte: so the best thing to do is make a logical partition, and you can fit as many of these as you want inside one primary partition, which the installer will make for you automatically |
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| 04:54.16 | lunaphyte | Robot101: i created a primary swap partition on each drive, then used the remainder to raid together. then created 1 partition on the newly created raid1 device. it didn't ask me if i wanted a primary or logical partition for it though. |
| 04:54.56 | ultraviolet16 | "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1 or too many mounted file systems.. looks like i'm screwed |
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| 04:54.59 | professor_chaos | Can someone help with why, my link in /etc/rc2.d/S90link -> /etc/init.d/script... doesn't execute at boot??? |
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| 04:55.24 | Robot101 | lunaphyte: oh right |
| 04:55.34 | Robot101 | lunaphyte: raid1 devices aren't always partitionable |
| 04:55.44 | Robot101 | what kernel version are you using? |
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| 04:56.26 | lunaphyte | Robot101: 2.6 (testing netinstall) |
| 04:56.42 | Robot101 | hmm |
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| 04:57.20 | Robot101 | I don't know how to make partionable MD devices, and I don't know if the installer supports it |
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| 04:57.26 | Robot101 | sorry... ask someone else :) |
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| 04:57.50 | professor_chaos | Can someone help with why, my link in /etc/rc2.d/S90link -> /etc/init.d/script... doesn't execute at boot??? |
| 04:58.13 | valdyn_ | Robot101: any writable block device can be partitioned, even a partition ) |
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| 04:58.14 | dondelelcaro | professor_chaos: is the script +x? can it be executed with /etc/init.d/script start? are you actually in runlevel 2? |
| 04:58.43 | SHAZcat07 | i get a error in make kpkg about not knowing where the kernel image goes |
| 04:59.06 | SHAZcat07 | uptodate to |
| 04:59.17 | asuffield | valdyn_: the kernel doesn't attempt to parse partition tables on most of them though |
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| 04:59.25 | asuffield | you don't put partitions on md devices. you put lvm on them. |
| 04:59.29 | valdyn_ | asuffield: yea |
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| 04:59.44 | Robot101 | asuffield: no, the md driver itself has support for partitions |
| 04:59.50 | professor_chaos | dondelelcaro, yes it's +x and can exec from shell. Acually in runlevel2??? what do you mean? I thought my boot process would go though run level 2?? |
| 04:59.54 | Robot101 | asuffield: I didn't believe it when someone told me so I looked at the source :) |
| 04:59.58 | asuffield | Robot101: lvm is better |
| 05:00.03 | Robot101 | asuffield: you can cheat and just read the mdadm manpage :P |
| 05:00.18 | dondelelcaro | professor_chaos: lay off the excess punctuation, please. Check /etc/inittab to make sure you're actually running in runlevel 2. |
| 05:00.21 | asuffield | like I use mdadm :P |
| 05:00.26 | asuffield | evms is the one true way |
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| 05:00.42 | Robot101 | yeaahrh |
| 05:00.49 | Robot101 | why are you awake anyway, it's 6am :) |
| 05:00.58 | lunaphyte | so maybe i need to create the raid partition on the use the lvm to put setup my 'real' partitions? |
| 05:01.16 | asuffield | I woke up about 10 hours ago |
| 05:01.16 | Robot101 | lunaphyte: that will work, yes |
| 05:01.21 | lunaphyte | s/on the/and then |
| 05:01.23 | lunaphyte | ok |
| 05:01.36 | Robot101 | asuffield: ha |
| 05:01.53 | omi | Does anyone know if Xen kernel packages are going to be in repositories or there's something preventing people from packaging xen kernels |
| 05:02.34 | Robot101 | asuffield: I got up at 10am and spent all day migrating services off a machine and moving it to a new IP, ready to use it for something else, then installed a stock kernel and rebooted... then it didn't come back |
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| 05:02.56 | asuffield | sucker |
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| 05:03.02 | Robot101 | it feels like a wasted day because if I hadn't started out doing any of it, it'd all still work and I'd have no machine spare for what I wanted to do |
| 05:03.11 | Robot101 | which is actually what the situation is now |
| 05:03.13 | Robot101 | gahrgr |
| 05:03.43 | asuffield | I've been preparing brand new servers, nyah |
| 05:04.36 | Robot101 | remote hands are in LA and the machine's in Sacramento == lose |
| 05:05.08 | dondelelcaro | Robot101: the machines are coloed, no? surely your colo has remote hands |
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| 05:05.45 | Robot101 | dondelelcaro: this is just a crap machine I have for free which is under someone's desk in her office |
| 05:05.53 | dondelelcaro | Robot101: ah |
| 05:06.00 | dondelelcaro | nevermind then. ;-) |
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| 05:06.18 | Robot101 | dondelelcaro: but it was useful for some backup DNS and MX stuff when we only had 1 real server in the UK |
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| 05:07.12 | Robot101 | dondelelcaro: that's no longer the case, but I never got around to migrating the MX stuff until today, because I want to give some other people access to the box |
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| 05:08.48 | streuner | hm |
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| 05:09.21 | dicrapio | hello, quick, where do i place a command i'd like executed at startup? i cant find the rc.local file |
| 05:09.33 | streuner | !rc.local |
| 05:09.33 | dpkg | methinks rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 05:10.37 | dicrapio | hmm, |
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| 05:10.49 | resiak | !quick |
| 05:10.49 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 05:10.58 | Robot101 | lol |
| 05:12.18 | mage | how do I redownload one file with CVS? |
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| 05:12.41 | resiak | man cvs |
| 05:12.55 | resiak | `rm file; cvs update file` (I think) |
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| 05:13.25 | mage | ah, good now I dont have to ask how to scroll pages in man when pgup/pgdown just wont work ;) |
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| 05:13.47 | zebalin2 | Has anyone installed the new 1.9.125+2.0beta2-1 deb that came out this week? |
| 05:13.53 | resiak | mage: space and p. |
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| 05:14.00 | Robot101 | zebalin2: what package?! |
| 05:14.20 | zebalin2 | opps, Open Office org 2 beta. Sorry! |
| 05:14.37 | Robot101 | ah, no |
| 05:14.44 | ke6isf | zebalin2: Which version of Debian? |
| 05:14.59 | zebalin2 | Sid |
| 05:15.04 | ke6isf | Then no. |
| 05:15.17 | zebalin2 | OK, thanx |
| 05:15.31 | ke6isf | !polls |
| 05:15.31 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 05:20.30 | kkrizka | hi, what is the latest stable version? |
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| 05:20.33 | zaxoul | does anyone know to solve my lilo ? |
| 05:20.38 | kkrizka | 3.1_r0a? |
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| 05:20.39 | ke6isf | kkrizka: Sarge. |
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| 05:20.40 | zaxoul | Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
| 05:20.41 | zaxoul | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.44 | zaxoul | ?? |
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| 05:20.50 | zaxoul | what happen to my lilo ? |
| 05:20.50 | ke6isf | !tell kkrizka about sarge |
| 05:21.13 | dondelelcaro | zaxoul: it means you are running udev or you were, and /proc/partitions doesn't match the named device |
| 05:21.18 | dondelelcaro | zaxoul: it's just a warning. |
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| 05:21.32 | zaxoul | how to fix it ? |
| 05:21.45 | zaxoul | ill paste my lilo.conf to pastebin |
| 05:21.48 | zaxoul | ? |
| 05:22.05 | dondelelcaro | zaxoul: there's nothing really broken, that's just a warning |
| 05:23.01 | jeffrin | for exim4 i edited passwd.client file but still showing auth errors |
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| 05:23.47 | zaxoul | http://pastebin.com/353384 << dondelelcaro, this is my lilo.conf ? |
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| 05:24.00 | doublehp | I have formatted hda1 as ext3 for /boot. from inst CD, ls /target/boot reports the directory grub to exists |
| 05:24.44 | doublehp | but grub shell only reports existence of directory called 'wrub' ... why ? |
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| 05:25.01 | enveezee | dondelelcaro: what time do you have? |
| 05:25.08 | dondelelcaro | 22:25:07 |
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| 05:25.36 | dondelelcaro | !tell enveezee -about set the time |
| 05:25.40 | enveezee | damn mine is way off I got 20:42 and I should be like 4 ahead I think |
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| 05:26.27 | enveezee | means its going on 1am here if my calculations are correct |
| 05:26.40 | dondelelcaro | enveezee: you're in EDT? |
| 05:26.50 | enveezee | I guess thats what its called |
| 05:27.02 | enveezee | EST EDT same difference? |
| 05:27.08 | pressure_man | has anyone else had problems enabling DMA with the 2.6.11 kernel in -testing? |
| 05:27.22 | dondelelcaro | enveezee: it's 1:27 then |
| 05:27.24 | pressure_man | hdparm says operation not permitted |
| 05:27.31 | dondelelcaro | enveezee: serious, just use ntpdate to set the time correctly. |
| 05:27.44 | streuner | pressure_man: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 05:27.47 | enveezee | yeah will do when I replace the dead hd |
| 05:28.03 | pressure_man | Linux version 2.6.11-1-686 (dannf@firetheft) (gcc version 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-6)) #1 Mon Jun 20 22:00:38 MDT 2005 |
| 05:28.07 | enveezee | cant really install anything on a hd that went ro and crapped out hours ago |
| 05:28.52 | dondelelcaro | ah, right. |
| 05:28.54 | pressure_man | DMA is automatically on with an ubuntu-hoary install CD (2.6.10) , ubuntu-breezy CD (2.6.12) and debian-etch daily installer (2.6.12) |
| 05:29.14 | pressure_man | but it's off by default in the 2.6.11 out of -testing, and hdparm won't let me enable it |
| 05:29.30 | pressure_man | mobo is an Asus P4PE (intel PIIX chipset) |
| 05:29.33 | dondelelcaro | pressure_man: something may be wrong with that kernel... checked the bts yet? |
| 05:29.42 | pressure_man | not yet... |
| 05:30.24 | pressure_man | is anyone running 2.6.8 from -stable? |
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| 05:31.45 | doublehp | pressure_man: that kernle was very unstable for me |
| 05:31.54 | nekron | i'm using deb sid.. i want know how i can transform to sarge? or isnt possible? |
| 05:32.07 | streuner | nekron: reinstall |
| 05:32.16 | pressure_man | doublehp: which kernel do you use now then? |
| 05:32.24 | nekron | streuner, am? reinstall all? |
| 05:32.33 | streuner | nekron: yes |
| 05:32.40 | doublehp | pressure_man: 2.6.12-1-686-smp |
| 05:32.51 | pressure_man | roll your own? |
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| 05:34.22 | pressure_man | doublehp: was that kernel self-compiled? |
| 05:34.25 | ray__ | !marillat |
| 05:34.25 | dpkg | i guess marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 05:34.32 | doublehp | pressure_man: apted from sid |
| 05:34.51 | doublehp | marillat \o/ |
| 05:35.12 | pressure_man | huh? the only 2.6.12 kernels in unstable are for the installer... |
| 05:35.34 | pressure_man | ohhhhh... they're calling it 'linux'-image now |
| 05:35.40 | pressure_man | ubuntu-styleeeezz |
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| 05:35.54 | pressure_man | no wonder i couldn't find it before ;-) |
| 05:36.05 | doublehp | pressure_man: way no |
| 05:36.21 | doublehp | pressure_man: not ubunto style ... |
| 05:36.28 | doublehp | pressure_man: just common senss |
| 05:36.43 | pressure_man | so the previous naming convention wasn't common sense? |
| 05:36.55 | pressure_man | does debian ever do anything that isn't common sense? ;-) |
| 05:37.08 | doublehp | pressure_man: Debian offer Linux, BSD, Mach, and L4 ... the name 'kernel' is way too much generic, and I d even say: non sens |
| 05:37.20 | pressure_man | good point |
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| 05:38.28 | mrwill | do I have to recompile php to get fastcgi support in sarge? it seems to be already compiled in, but I'm struggling getting it to work. |
| 05:38.33 | pressure_man | aight... since this is a new build, i'm off to reinstall |
| 05:38.45 | pressure_man | 2.6.12 from unstable. cross fingers. |
| 05:38.57 | fooz | 2.6.13-rc6-rt9 :D |
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| 05:39.15 | pressure_man | reiser4 didn't make it into 2.6.13, did it? |
| 05:39.41 | fooz | didn't see it |
| 05:39.57 | mrwill | cgi |
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| 05:40.29 | jeffrin | i have problem with exim |
| 05:40.34 | pressure_man | i guess there is still much gnashing of teeth regarding whether hans will be allowed all his modules in at the fs layer, instead of vfs where every sane man would put them |
| 05:40.37 | jeffrin | can someone help me |
| 05:41.00 | fooz | i never thought about it that way |
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| 05:44.06 | azuroth | hullo |
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| 05:45.45 | GullyFoyle | hrm...weird sound probs. realplayer will open, sya it is playing, but no sound comes out. unreal tournament plays sound but it lags behind the action. other sounds, mps, oggs, will play fine. |
| 05:45.50 | doublehp | I have formatted hda1 as ext3 for /boot. from inst CD, ls /target/boot reports the directory grub to exists; but grub shell only reports existence of directory called 'wrub' ... why ? |
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| 05:47.23 | azuroth | GullyFoyle: I know in KDE, you can change the buffer size... maybe that would help, if you're using KDE? |
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| 05:47.36 | GullyFoyle | azulema, gnome |
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| 05:47.54 | GullyFoyle | azulema, same thing in kde though |
| 05:48.11 | bonez39 | yesterday, I install alsa, and other alsa sound components..with apt-get install, today, I run 'aptitude install' and it wants to remove everything with alsa? why does aptitude do that? |
| 05:48.13 | azuroth | oh,.. hmm |
| 05:49.36 | azuroth | I just tried installing nvidia drivers, and now it's running worse than before? any ideas why this might happen? |
| 05:49.55 | GullyFoyle | xmms works fine, just realplayer and unreal have screwy sound |
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| 05:53.00 | GullyFoyle | i have yoper linux installed on another drive and sound works fine for unreal and realplayer....hmmm |
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| 05:54.14 | nooneelse | hi all i`ve installed superkaramba but the themes arent with transparent background... someone knows what could this be ? |
| 05:54.20 | zkchong | hello, may i know how can I adjust my login screen resolution?? It is larger than my screen.. what can I do? |
| 05:54.29 | bob2 | karamba isn't actually going to be transparent |
| 05:54.38 | bob2 | it would only show the background image |
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| 05:54.52 | nooneelse | bob2, I said the theme |
| 05:55.00 | nooneelse | even with a png transparent it doesnt works |
| 05:55.09 | bob2 | #debian-kde might know |
| 05:55.58 | SerajewelKS | i'm having major trouble syncing the clock on a debian box |
| 05:56.05 | SerajewelKS | it's drifting like... well drifting doesn't say it |
| 05:56.15 | SerajewelKS | it's going about 5 seconds in the space of 1 real second |
| 05:56.22 | bob2 | what kernel? |
| 05:56.30 | SerajewelKS | whatever 2.6 comes with sarge |
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| 05:56.58 | SerajewelKS | 'adjtimex -a=12' works until it tries to set anything |
| 05:57.03 | SerajewelKS | then it fails with "Invalid argument" |
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| 05:57.29 | SerajewelKS | ntp-simple doesn't seem to be helping either |
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| 05:58.20 | bob2 | is anything else touching the time? |
| 05:58.27 | bsims | how can I get irssi to beep on messages I have set beep_msg_level = MSGS NOTICES DCC DCCMSGS HILIGHT |
| 05:58.36 | SerajewelKS | uhm, nothing that's not in a stock sarge install, i guess |
| 05:58.45 | SerajewelKS | this install is less than a day old |
| 05:58.57 | SerajewelKS | i've run ntpdate a few times, that's it |
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| 05:59.36 | SerajewelKS | okay |
| 05:59.51 | SerajewelKS | nevermind 5 seconds.. it's almost exactly going twice as fast as it should |
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| 05:59.55 | bob2 | bsims: does "printf '\a'" in your shell beep? |
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| 06:00.05 | bsims | bob2: yeah |
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| 06:00.20 | bsims | I think its the beep_msg_level setting |
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| 06:00.29 | bsims | but I am unsure of the paramaters |
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| 06:03.15 | NotTom | im trying to run the debian netinstall disk on a brand new dell dimension 5100, it can't seem tofind my nic or see the hard drive so i can partition it. the nic is an intel pro/100 ve and the drive is a maxtor 250gb. i've been googling but haven't been able to find anything that helps. any suggestions? |
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| 06:04.00 | enveezee | NotTom: the hd is irrelevant. its the controller that matters |
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| 06:04.31 | bsims | hrm lets try this setting |
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| 06:07.45 | NotTom | enveezee: the controller? |
| 06:08.03 | enveezee | yes, the controller |
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| 06:08.34 | justin420 | hi, i have noticed that while using synaptic i look for cupsys-bsd, and it says it conflicts with lpr, lprng, manpage fr (<0.9.5.1). I also have some issues with printing from a win98se machine to my debian linux machine... may that be a reason why my network printing doesnt work? |
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| 06:09.12 | enveezee | USB EHCI Controller, Adaptec AHA151 SCSI Controller, VIA82c686 IDE Controller. Promise SATA Raid.. etc |
| 06:09.28 | enveezee | /bin/sh: line 1: lspci: command not found |
| 06:09.37 | Zomb | as root please |
| 06:09.37 | enveezee | heh forgot the hd is dead |
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| 06:10.07 | SerajewelKS | bob2, afaik ntp-simple will slew the clock every so often. can i force it to do that and update adjtimex parameters right now? |
| 06:10.10 | enveezee | 0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371SB PIIX3 IDE [Natoma/Triton II] |
| 06:10.47 | bob2 | I don't think it touches adjtimex |
| 06:10.48 | enveezee | that would be a very old and well supported IDE controller |
| 06:11.02 | tvn | is there a small app like an aplet that works with icewm tool/task bar to show the current battery (acpi) usage ? |
| 06:11.14 | Zomb | SerajewelKS: there is an option, IIRC. And ntpdate does that manually. |
| 06:11.22 | smartbhai | hi people what does the message mean : Makefile:290: *** CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG needs to be enabled in the kernel. |
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| 06:11.27 | mwilson | justin420: Uh, well... yeah. Of course it does. |
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| 06:11.43 | mwilson | smartbhai: Gee, probably that that option needs to be enabled in the kernel. |
| 06:11.43 | Zomb | tvn: kidding us? Enable APM/battery monitor in IceWM. |
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| 06:12.43 | justin420 | mwilson: thanks, i though it had something to do with it. i just wanted someone elses opinion, so should i go ahead and remove the lpr lprng? |
| 06:13.06 | smartbhai | mwilson : what exactly is the option |
| 06:13.16 | SerajewelKS | Zomb, that won't update the system tick/freq though, will it? |
| 06:13.35 | mwilson | smartbhai: CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG |
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| 06:13.45 | mwilson | smartbhai: Which is also in the message. |
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| 06:14.07 | tvn | Zomb: I can't find such option ... do you happen to have the config file of icewm that has it enabled ? |
| 06:14.09 | Zomb | SerajewelKS: tick/freq? What do you mean, what do you want? |
| 06:14.14 | smartbhai | mwilson : can u tell me exatcly what option i must enable in the kernel |
| 06:14.20 | mwilson | !u |
| 06:14.20 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:14.27 | Zomb | tvn: grep APM /etc/icewm/X11/preferences |
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| 06:14.31 | smartbhai | mwilson : so that i can recompile |
| 06:14.36 | bob2 | smartbhai: what on earth are you doing? |
| 06:14.37 | dondelelcaro | smartbhai: it's CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG; it's in your .cofnig |
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| 06:14.43 | dondelelcaro | s/fn/nf/ |
| 06:14.47 | Zomb | tvn: sorry, grep APM /etc/X11/icewm/preferences |
| 06:14.51 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Already tried THAT one. |
| 06:15.02 | Zomb | tvn: # Show APM/ACPI/Battery/Power status monitor on task bar |
| 06:15.10 | Zomb | tvn: don't say you did not find _that_ |
| 06:15.21 | dondelelcaro | Zomb: adjtimex -p; will show your tick/freq settings |
| 06:15.23 | mwilson | Zomb: He didn't look. |
| 06:15.29 | smartbhai | bob2 : i m compiling the source code for a drm driver for my unichrome card |
| 06:15.34 | SerajewelKS | Zomb, i want ntpdate or ntpd to update my kernel adjtimex parameters |
| 06:15.35 | bob2 | haha |
| 06:15.44 | bob2 | smartbhai: install a debian 686 kernel |
| 06:15.44 | smartbhai | bob2 : unichrome graphics |
| 06:15.53 | smartbhai | bob2 : ok |
| 06:16.13 | enveezee | unichrome? |
| 06:16.16 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: ntp-simple will adjust them eventually, but it takes some time. |
| 06:16.18 | Zomb | mwilson: not neccessarily. Maybe he is using an old version of the config file, the comment was bad there. |
| 06:16.20 | enveezee | monochrome? |
| 06:16.36 | smartbhai | enveezee :unichrome is the graphics driver |
| 06:16.36 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: the adjtimex package also has a few metrics to adjust it properly as well. |
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| 06:17.43 | tvn | Zomb: oh ok ... I saw it , but only APM , no mentioned of ACPI ... |
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| 06:18.31 | Zomb | tvn: you learned a lesson... similar looking things are often worth to be tried with |
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| 06:18.41 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, the clock is being so bad that the kernel doesn't accept adjtimex -a recommendadions |
| 06:18.47 | SerajewelKS | s/dad/dat/ |
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| 06:19.27 | justin420 | mwilson: i looked for the lpr & lprng and it says neither are installed? that weird how can cupsys-bsd be conflicting with the other 2 if they are not installed?? |
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| 06:26.28 | cat | freaking spammers |
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| 06:36.04 | enveezee | do you Yahoo!? |
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| 06:37.51 | jsial | twice, when i used balsa the email client, my system crashed. anyone else experience this? |
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| 06:38.50 | doublehp | cant install MBR: amongst 10 install disks, only the Debian one accepts to use a firewire device as /. Problem is that IDE drive is REALLY dead, and my laptop can not boot USB nor FireWire. After installation, I can not yet burn CDs, and the only cd burner I got is in my laptop. Kernel is just 700k, but initrd is 3MB => does not fit FD. Any other idea to store the kernel ? IDE is so bad it can even store a 30MB partition with ext3 ... j |
| 06:39.35 | doublehp | could grub2 or lilo installed on floppy access FireWire ? |
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| 06:39.57 | Guerin | doublehp: get a new harddisk |
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| 06:40.10 | Guerin | for the laptop, i mean |
| 06:40.17 | Guerin | or netboot the thing |
| 06:40.26 | doublehp | short of money :( |
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| 06:40.51 | doublehp | and I dont wanna buy any thing new for that old laptop ... |
| 06:40.51 | Guerin | pesumably the drive in the firewire case is a 3.5, right? |
| 06:41.01 | doublehp | cause lot of internal devices are aged. |
| 06:41.07 | doublehp | yes 3.5 |
| 06:41.12 | Guerin | bah, handdisks are always useful, and they're not exqactly expensive |
| 06:41.28 | doublehp | only cheap solution is to use CF + IDE-cf adaptor. |
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| 06:41.46 | Guerin | can't boot from cd? |
| 06:41.47 | doublehp | 12 euros for adaptor |
| 06:41.51 | bonez39 | handdisks? hard drive that fits in your hand? |
| 06:42.00 | Guerin | bonez39: something like that |
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| 06:42.14 | doublehp | Guerin: I said that install CD does not have cdrecord ! |
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| 06:43.07 | frankie | doublehp: i suggest you boot from net and burn a cd from you laptop |
| 06:43.09 | Guerin | doublehp: can you not boot a livecd, access your firewire device, do a netinstall of whatever you want? or do you not have an install cd...? |
| 06:43.54 | frankie | doublehp: if your bios does not support ethboot you can always use a floppy for that |
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| 06:44.29 | Bac9 | now that the libc transition is done, what's the next transition? |
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| 06:45.22 | Guerin | doublehp: SO? |
| 06:45.51 | doublehp | I am looking for a solution that works within 2h |
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| 06:46.08 | doublehp | no time to set up tftp server+grabbing PXE server |
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| 06:46.24 | Guerin | haha |
| 06:46.35 | dutchfish | How to configure hdparm for a samba-backup server wich runs only 30 min a day to spin down disks? |
| 06:46.38 | doublehp | basic problem is that since IDE is dead, either I find a flash to replace it, |
| 06:46.49 | doublehp | or I find a way to make initrd fit a fd |
| 06:46.59 | frankie | doublehp: so the only one is Guerin's one, use a livecd and chroot on your disk to burn a proper boot cd |
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| 06:47.27 | doublehp | dutchfish: hdparm -y >> crontab.ourly |
| 06:47.43 | doublehp | dutchfish: but mounted devices may spin it up |
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| 06:48.07 | doublehp | frankie: burn = can switch easily kernel version |
| 06:48.29 | dutchfish | doublehp, so its no use to spindown the disk wich contains root partition? |
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| 06:48.59 | doublehp | dutchfish: if it contains /, it is just impossible |
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| 06:49.21 | doublehp | dutchfish: use seperate disks, root on flash, or ramdisk |
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| 06:49.39 | doublehp | frankie: burn = can NOT switch easily kernel version |
| 06:49.46 | dutchfish | doublehp, i have separate disks and /tmp in /tmpfs |
| 06:50.05 | doublehp | dutchfish: do you know what tmpfs is ? |
| 06:50.16 | dutchfish | doublehp, mounted in memory |
| 06:50.30 | doublehp | => that is NOT disk separation |
| 06:50.39 | doublehp | just moving problem |
| 06:50.52 | doublehp | problem is always /usr |
| 06:51.01 | Guerin | and /var |
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| 06:51.07 | doublehp | which is REQUIRE to be readable |
| 06:51.12 | dutchfish | doublehp, the data partions are on separate disks (8) |
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| 06:51.25 | zignig | bleh! |
| 06:51.25 | doublehp | Guerin: wrong: Knoippix stores var in ramdisk ... |
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| 06:51.39 | doublehp | Guerin: but usr can nearly never be put in RD |
| 06:51.39 | Guerin | doublehp: knoppix is a special case |
| 06:51.53 | Guerin | but your point is taken |
| 06:52.09 | dutchfish | doublehp, where can i find a howto on this subject, i am rather new to this issue |
| 06:52.13 | the_freaking_pop | a while back, i saw a link to a boot floppy that scans your hard drives, and makes a custom configured bootloader right on the floppy for that particular system, and had the option of installing to hdd... anyone know the site or the name of the project? |
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| 06:52.17 | jsial | how to know if a device is supported by debian? i am considering buying the Graphire Bluetooth, a wireless tablet-pen from Wacom. It spec says it can run with MacOS 10.2.8 & higher. |
| 06:52.20 | doublehp | Guerin: Knoppix is my first examepl of distribution which allows spin down |
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| 06:52.49 | quitte | the_freaking_pop: grub? |
| 06:53.00 | doublehp | dutchfish: use linux for 5 years, try every single embedded distribution and live CD, extract them, then you have XP to build what you need. |
| 06:53.19 | the_freaking_pop | quitte does grub have that automagic feature? |
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| 06:54.06 | dutchfish | doublehp, i lost you here, i was merely asking about usefull configuring hdparm, and i hate XP |
| 06:54.08 | quitte | no. but you got the config on your disk already anyways. just put it on the floppy |
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| 06:54.48 | doublehp | dutchfish: XP stands for experience ... not MS stuff |
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| 06:55.00 | doublehp | dutchfish: read my line again |
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| 06:55.21 | the_freaking_pop | quitte the thing is, a fellow lug member asked a question that reminded me about that project, and i wanted to look in on it again, and see what all it does, as i recall it was pretty neat |
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| 06:55.59 | dutchfish | doublehp, so you are actually saying i need to run a kernel from CD and unmount all partitions to powerdown (iddle) the disks? |
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| 06:57.06 | doublehp | dutchfish: no ... but that extracting live CDs will give you XP |
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| 06:57.24 | doublehp | dutchfish: I rather prefer using ram disks from HDD |
| 06:57.43 | dutchfish | doublehp, i would prefer too |
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| 06:57.58 | doublehp | dutchfish: declare a ramdisk inside an initrd, load it with grub, then you can spin down HDD at once |
| 06:58.00 | jsial | how to know if a device is supported by debian? i am considering buying the Graphire Bluetooth, a wireless tablet-pen from Wacom. It spec says it can run with MacOS 10.2.8 & higher. No answer for me? |
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| 06:58.17 | doublehp | dutchfish: but this is detailed best in live CD tutos |
| 06:58.18 | dutchfish | doublehp, ok, thats a good advice... i will try |
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| 06:58.39 | doublehp | dutchfish: I mean ... using grub and initrd is trivial |
| 06:58.58 | dutchfish | doublehp, ok, this will of coarse needs some extra ram |
| 06:58.58 | doublehp | dutchfish: tutos are required to know how to put COMPLEET system in that initrd ! |
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| 06:59.23 | dutchfish | doublehp, any hint on getting a good tuto? |
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| 06:59.35 | doublehp | dutchfish: if few services, 32M are enough, in worse case, 128M must suffice |
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| 06:59.50 | dutchfish | doublehp, ok, thx |
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| 06:59.52 | doublehp | dutchfish: maybe Gentoo live CD tutos ? |
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| 07:00.03 | doublehp | dutchfish: or DLS |
| 07:00.05 | doublehp | oups |
| 07:00.13 | doublehp | dutchfish: or DSL damn small linux |
| 07:00.13 | dutchfish | doublehp, DLS? |
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| 07:00.29 | dutchfish | doublehp, ok |
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| 07:01.02 | doublehp | dutchfish: note that ... |
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| 07:01.09 | dutchfish | doublehp, the non-root-containing disks i can power down with the -y option? thats it? |
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| 07:01.30 | doublehp | dutchfish: I strated to write such a system, but in the end, I stopped, and plane to buy a small flash disk |
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| 07:01.43 | engelsen | I have a raw dv "rip" from my dv-mini camera.Can I play it on linux ? what software ? |
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| 07:02.01 | doublehp | dutchfish: just 30 euros for 256MB storage => keep all ram free, can put MBR+/usr in flash ... |
| 07:02.01 | quitte | mplayer i bet |
| 07:02.26 | doublehp | dutchfish: flash are slow read rate, but in your case, allow large storage for cheap |
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| 07:02.35 | jsial | wtf is this chat, only the same few people chatting about the same few things. go f yoursef, you guys. |
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| 07:02.36 | Guerin | large storage? |
| 07:02.39 | dutchfish | doublehp, i managed to run a kernel from a 512mb usb stick, would that be a good option? |
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| 07:02.55 | Guerin | poor jsial |
| 07:03.01 | dutchfish | doublehp, because i prefer debian |
| 07:03.10 | doublehp | dutchfish: no ... you ll need hdparm -Y ... in any case, try to umount it first; other wise, a simple read access will wake up the drive. |
| 07:03.24 | Guerin | engelsen: practically anything should play it; it's probably just mpeg-2 |
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| 07:03.41 | dutchfish | doublehp, of coarse, thank you again :) |
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| 07:03.47 | doublehp | dutchfish: I dant see any diff detween USB stick and IDE flash ... (exept plug stability ) ^^ |
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| 07:04.00 | doublehp | hehe |
| 07:04.09 | zignig | doublehp: portability ? |
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| 07:04.19 | dutchfish | doublehp, its mounted directly on the mainboard |
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| 07:04.30 | doublehp | zignig: none of my 5 computers can boot USB |
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| 07:04.53 | zignig | doublehp: you should upgrade to a Commodore 128X then... ;P |
| 07:04.56 | dutchfish | doublehp, those usb sticks comes cheap nowadays |
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| 07:05.17 | doublehp | zignig: dutchfish but maybe ease to repair file system or fix network stuff ? |
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| 07:05.38 | doublehp | dutchfish: yes, but mother boards to boot them arnt :( |
| 07:05.40 | zignig | doublehp: indeed , I like ide-cf converters. |
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| 07:06.01 | doublehp | zignig: I need a 2.5 AND a 3.5 one ... |
| 07:06.02 | dutchfish | doublehp, zignig yes |
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| 07:06.36 | dutchfish | doublehp, i have the basic idee now how to get along, thx |
| 07:06.37 | zignig | I like the idea of havine /etc/ and /sbin/ that are physicly RO |
| 07:06.38 | doublehp | zignig: firewire case + CF adaptor ... what a funny box :) |
| 07:07.12 | doublehp | = firewire flash disk :) |
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| 07:07.39 | zignig | doublehp: I have some old compaq pII 200s that have CF pins on the motherboard. and they can take up to 1 GB cards . |
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| 07:08.03 | zignig | doublehp: router's good ones, no fans ( except for PS ) |
| 07:08.15 | dutchfish | zignig, good idee i have 2 of them also.... mmmm ... intresting |
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| 07:08.48 | zignig | dutchfish: and they PXE boot, |
| 07:08.59 | dutchfish | zignig, yup |
| 07:09.09 | zignig | dutchfish: I got 60 of them. :/ , most of them are in DEEP STORAGE. |
| 07:09.17 | dutchfish | zignig, lol |
| 07:09.34 | dutchfish | zignig, 2 will do nicely |
| 07:09.36 | engelsen | Guerin: ok |
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| 07:09.57 | zignig | dutchfish: you laugh now , come the pockyclyspe ;P |
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| 07:10.22 | engelsen | Guerin: but its one file that contains "clips" and like a dvd menu |
| 07:10.37 | dutchfish | zignig, i am not laughing at you, but laughing at myself because i have a solution in the basement ;) |
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| 07:11.40 | zignig | dutchfish: eggshellent. |
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| 07:11.56 | zignig | dutchfish: where are you ( i'm in .au ) |
| 07:11.57 | zignig | ? |
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| 07:12.20 | dutchfish | zignig, what ambient temperature should a normal ata disk have, ie is 42 degrees a normal temperature? |
| 07:12.39 | zignig | dutchfish: C or F ? |
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| 07:12.50 | dutchfish | zignig, Celsius |
| 07:12.53 | saapas | Yawa |
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| 07:13.15 | zignig | dutchfish: that's quite hot but acceptable, you might consider another fan. |
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| 07:13.26 | dutchfish | zignig, thats the temp after 24 hours wthout powerdown |
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| 07:13.35 | takatumi | heh |
| 07:13.41 | dutchfish | zignig, ok thx |
| 07:13.47 | engelsen | anyone know whats up with k3b in testing ? I can burn dvd-data but ItÂ'l only try to use my cd player to burn dvd-movie projects... |
| 07:13.52 | zignig | dutchfish: sould be ok , you have backups of _all_ your data, right ? |
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| 07:14.19 | dutchfish | zignig, its THE backup server, thats why i was asking about spinning down the platters |
| 07:14.32 | zignig | haha :). |
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| 07:14.49 | dutchfish | zignig, 8 ata disks produce quiet a lot of heat |
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| 07:14.51 | zignig | dutchfish: at least 2 copies, is the important thing. |
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| 07:15.05 | zignig | dutchfish: how often are you backing up ? |
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| 07:15.09 | dutchfish | zignig, of coarse and i have copys on tape |
| 07:15.19 | dutchfish | zignig, 1x in 24 hours |
| 07:15.20 | zignig | dutchfish: does the machine have "wake on lan" ? |
| 07:15.25 | dutchfish | zignig, yes |
| 07:15.42 | zignig | dutchfish: leave it off unless you are backing up. |
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| 07:15.54 | zignig | dutchfish: my primary file server is mostly off... |
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| 07:16.21 | dutchfish | zignig, i thought of that, but on the other hand i am worried about the temperature changes (hot-cool-hot) |
| 07:16.35 | dutchfish | zignig, it will shorten disk-live? |
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| 07:16.47 | zignig | dutchfish: consumer IDE drives aren't designed to run 24/7 |
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| 07:17.07 | zignig | dutchfish: scsi yes, you are better off spinning them down or powering off. |
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| 07:17.18 | zignig | FNORD |
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| 07:17.21 | dutchfish | zignig, i cant afford those capacities in scsii |
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| 07:17.51 | zignig | dutchfish: silly isn't it , they are soooo much more $++ |
| 07:18.03 | dutchfish | zignig, yup |
| 07:18.35 | dutchfish | zignig, my main server all have scsii, but i think its a bit of overkill for a backup server |
| 07:18.35 | Guerin | zignig: can i have some salad and shit with it? |
| 07:18.42 | zignig | Guerin: NO |
| 07:18.42 | takatumi | Guerin: doint boil the onions. |
| 07:18.52 | takatumi | s/oi/o |
| 07:18.55 | Guerin | takatumi: oh? |
| 07:19.09 | Guerin | takatumi: how do you make a masala base, then? |
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| 07:19.22 | ice_1963 | icewm Rock's |
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| 07:19.31 | ice_1963 | :0) |
| 07:19.33 | Guerin | zignig: i din't believe you got the Rowan Atkinson reference |
| 07:19.45 | takatumi | Guerin: chop 'em up fine, fry on low heat with a lil bit of oil until they mesh. |
| 07:19.48 | dutchfish | thank you guys for all the good hints, gone to make some french union-soup.. |
| 07:19.49 | zignig | Guerin: sorry missed it ;) |
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| 07:20.06 | Guerin | takatumi: oh, i do that, and then I add water and salt and vinegar and simmer |
| 07:20.11 | zignig | wouldn't that be EU soup ? |
| 07:20.29 | takatumi | Guerin: don't add water, stir well. |
| 07:20.47 | Guerin | takatumi: too late for that, actually |
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| 07:21.31 | takatumi | Guerin: I remember reading your way in one of recipes a while back, next time try not to boil. ;) |
| 07:21.53 | Guerin | takatumi: why, out of curiosity? |
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| 07:22.15 | Guerin | takatumi: i just follow the mmethod the chefs in the restaurant I worked at used. |
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| 07:22.31 | zignig | Guerin: yummy? |
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| 07:22.45 | takatumi | Guerin: tastes better, you have water in onions, vegetable, meat etc. that will thicken the gravy, if not add some yogurt or coconut milk. |
| 07:22.58 | Guerin | zignig: curry > * |
| 07:23.08 | Guerin | takatumi: right. I boil the mix down to thicken |
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| 07:23.32 | Guerin | i rarely add cream/coconut cream/yoghurt until the last moment |
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| 07:23.46 | Guerin | and even then, only for chicken or seafood curries |
| 07:23.46 | zignig | Guerin: A mate of mine ( from Liverpool ) makes the best "RING OF FIRE" currys I have ever come across. |
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| 07:23.54 | Guerin | zignig: heh. |
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| 07:24.04 | takatumi | Guerin: goes well with the veggies as well. |
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| 07:24.21 | tarzeau | takatumi: you ever sleep? |
| 07:24.23 | zignig | Guerin: you feel very _clean_ afterwards ;/ |
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| 07:24.51 | Guerin | zignig: see, that's not right. Curry should make you feel DIRTY :) |
| 07:25.04 | takatumi | tarzeau: 10:25 here. |
| 07:25.07 | zignig | Guerin: no thats the larger. |
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| 07:25.28 | Guerin | right - the larger the curry, the dirtier |
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| 07:25.41 | zignig | Guerin: BURP! |
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| 07:26.16 | zignig | Guerin: I set fire to my property today. |
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| 07:26.32 | tomb0y | completely off topic.. but does anyone know if im allowed to get to the actual gate of an airport to meet a friend whos flying in later today? or do i have to meet them at baggage claim? |
| 07:26.48 | tomb0y | havent been to an airport in 5+ years |
| 07:27.09 | zignig | tomb0y: WTF? what country are you in ? |
| 07:27.09 | Guerin | tomb0y: you can meet them anywhere on your own side of immigration and customs |
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| 07:27.29 | Guerin | tomb0y: which tends to mean baggage claim |
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| 07:27.39 | Guerin | tomb0y: if it's a domestic flight, the gate should be ok |
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| 07:27.56 | tomb0y | im in usa.. didnt know if policies changed in past years.. if its required to have a ticket or something to get to actual gates or not. |
| 07:28.13 | genera | depends on the airport. some airport built >5 years you can wander around and suddenly you are on the wrong side of the gate |
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| 07:28.35 | genera | but after 9-11 i would not even try |
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| 07:28.50 | tomb0y | just friend has never been on an airplane before.. so dont want her to get lost or anything heh. |
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| 07:36.10 | coolermania | hi all |
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| 07:43.56 | CountZ | I asked dpkg about debian-sys-maint, it says there is a script to fix this |
| 07:44.02 | CountZ | in case I erased the user |
| 07:44.09 | CountZ | is it the mysql_fix_privileges_table script? |
| 07:44.19 | CountZ | rather, mysql_fix_privilege_tables |
| 07:44.24 | CountZ | or is it another script? |
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| 07:46.46 | coolermania | who The latest stable version of the Linux kernel? |
| 07:46.55 | coolermania | who used? |
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| 07:47.17 | coolermania | 2.6.13 kernel? |
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| 07:48.46 | N1029676 | hi |
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| 07:49.06 | coolermania | hi |
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| 07:49.39 | coolermania | N1029676:what kernel you used? |
| 07:49.40 | CountZ | coolermania: I'm using 2.6.11 still |
| 07:49.46 | CountZ | quite happy with it |
| 07:49.48 | N1029676 | uhhh |
| 07:49.54 | coolermania | ok |
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| 07:50.01 | N1029676 | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 07:50.02 | coolermania | :) |
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| 07:50.08 | CountZ | coolermania: any specific problems with 2.6.13 that I should know about? |
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| 07:50.23 | Guerin | there are no debian packages for it |
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| 07:50.29 | Guerin | that's a problem |
| 07:50.39 | coolermania | no, I want used 2.6.13, :) |
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| 07:51.03 | N1029676 | could one of you guys help me out with swap and ram questions? |
| 07:51.11 | Guerin | coolermania: why? |
| 07:51.14 | Guerin | N1029676: ask |
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| 07:51.29 | coolermania | 2.6.13 - rulezz :))) |
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| 07:51.52 | N1029676 | aye, i have 320 mb of ram, and a 188mb swap partition, my swap isnt being used and my ram is constantly 90%+ full |
| 07:51.55 | CountZ | coolermania: why do you say it rules? any specifics? |
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| 07:51.58 | N1029676 | i read the FAQ's btw, good stuff |
| 07:51.58 | Guerin | coolermania drooolez |
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| 07:52.08 | Guerin | !free ram |
| 07:52.08 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
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| 07:52.15 | Guerin | N1029676: free ram is wasted ram. |
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| 07:52.32 | N1029676 | id prefer the meter not to be so hi, makes me uncomforable |
| 07:52.35 | CountZ | N1029676: How much you got in buffers and cache? |
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| 07:52.48 | leonidasos | hello evrybod, I have marked snd_pcm_oss as module in 2.6.13 & it's missing after compilation |
| 07:52.49 | Guerin | N1029676: look at thre middle line of 'free' and be happy |
| 07:52.50 | coolermania | 2.6.13 - new kernel, new kernel - gud kernel :), no? |
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| 07:53.00 | CountZ | coolermania: Not nessecarily so! |
| 07:53.15 | Guerin | leonidasos: is it in-kernel? |
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| 07:53.25 | Guerin | !kernel of instability |
| 07:53.25 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
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| 07:53.29 | Guerin | coolermania: ^^ read above |
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| 07:53.50 | N1029676 | well it usually does its own thing, but it really shouldnt be a problem then huh? havent noticed any problems yet. |
| 07:54.11 | Guerin | N1029676: what you're experiencing is normal, optimal ram usage. Be happy :) |
| 07:54.13 | leonidasos | Guerin: yes, it is in kernel 2.6.13 |
| 07:54.19 | coolermania | ok, senks |
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| 07:54.32 | Guerin | leonidasos: no, is it IN the kernel, not built as a module? |
| 07:54.37 | cent | hello |
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| 07:54.40 | N1029676 | cool deal, then my Debian system works like a beast :) a good tamed beast anywho. |
| 07:55.00 | Guerin | leonidasos: grep SND_PCM_OSS /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 07:55.19 | leonidasos | as i said marked as module CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS=m |
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| 07:55.27 | Guerin | leonidasos: odd |
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| 07:55.40 | Garda | hey guys, problem, tried to install drivers from ati website, now there is no X. How do i get my old modules back |
| 07:55.52 | Guerin | !drxx Garda |
| 07:55.53 | dpkg | Garda: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 07:57.02 | Garda | have tried that aready. dpkg-reconfigure doesn't help. still |
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| 07:58.18 | Guerin | Garda: did you CHANGE the x driver? |
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| 08:00.12 | Garda | Guerin: no. i think that is the problem. i can't select my old drivers again. |
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| 08:04.50 | ls | hmmm jest tu kto¶? |
| 08:05.06 | coolermania | I'm used kernel - 2.4.20-8, what about this kernel? |
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| 08:06.08 | coolermania | and what about update 2.4.20-8 -> 2.6.13? It's good idea? |
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| 08:06.42 | coolermania | who real used 2.6.13? |
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| 08:07.42 | Guerin | Garda: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 08:10.02 | leonidasos | coolermania: I'm using this kernel |
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| 08:12.29 | coolermania | leonidasos: you used 2.6.13, how mach time? |
| 08:12.53 | brunner | how is unstable these days? |
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| 08:15.12 | leonidasos | coolermania.. hmm...one week? |
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| 08:16.02 | leonidasos | i've have problem only with oss |
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| 08:16.27 | coolermania | lwonidasos: it's cool |
| 08:16.29 | leonidasos | alsa is working but I need oss :-) |
| 08:16.33 | defcon8 | brainworm, use etch |
| 08:16.37 | defcon8 | whoah fuck |
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| 08:16.41 | defcon8 | when you get thunder in turkey |
| 08:16.45 | defcon8 | you really do get thunder |
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| 08:17.24 | coolermania | leonidasos: I'm now update my kernel too, to 2.6.13 , and be happy :) |
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| 08:18.24 | halibut | How do I restart the apache service from the console? |
| 08:18.41 | Guerin | halibut: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 08:18.48 | leonidasos | yeah |
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| 08:19.15 | leonidasos | ..or apachectl |
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| 08:19.31 | coolermania | leonidasos: you used Debian? I'm used Sarge, and in Sarge on default 2.4.20-8... |
| 08:19.44 | Guerin | don't use apachectl |
| 08:19.52 | Guerin | there are init scripts for a reason |
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| 08:20.21 | leonidasos | yes of course that I'm using debian |
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| 08:20.38 | dupondje | hi guys, i'm having a problem getting ip from dhcp on my linux box, i get network_down after i installed new kernel |
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| 08:21.24 | coolermania | leonidasos: woody? |
| 08:21.24 | coolermania | :) |
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| 08:21.56 | leonidasos | coolermania:no it's sarge |
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| 08:22.25 | coolermania | I'm have my Debian Sarge 3.1r0a on 14 cd :), it's cool! |
| 08:22.31 | Guerin | dupondje: use old kernel |
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| 08:23.01 | brunner | how can I find out when it's safe to upgrade unstable? |
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| 08:23.17 | dupondje | Guerin: i need to install new kernel :s |
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| 08:23.36 | Guerin | dupondje: what kernel did you have before you used this one? |
| 08:23.39 | dupondje | need to compile modules for lm-sensors |
| 08:23.40 | Guerin | revert |
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| 08:23.50 | Guerin | brunner: it never is. |
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| 08:23.53 | dupondje | Linux 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 08:24.00 | Guerin | nobody NEEDS lm-sensors |
| 08:24.15 | Guerin | dupondje: use that kernel again; you still have it installed, right? |
| 08:24.20 | dupondje | with this one i get ip |
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| 08:24.46 | dupondje | and if i boot with new one, i get network_down :s |
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| 08:25.03 | Guerin | yes ... you fucked up your new kernel. Fix it. |
| 08:25.14 | Guerin | you probably need to build your network module |
| 08:25.20 | leonidasos | dupondje: maybe you forgot to compile your network card :-) |
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| 08:25.30 | dupondje | no |
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| 08:25.40 | dupondje | the network card module is installed |
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| 08:25.57 | dupondje | Sep 3 10:13:44 linux kernel: eth0: Digital DS21143 Tulip rev 48 at 0001d000, 00:00:F8:1A:83:94, IRQ 10. |
| 08:25.58 | dupondje | @ boot |
| 08:25.58 | ravenbird | methinks boot is what you get when you act like a UnderNet user, or #debian-boot |
| 08:25.59 | dupondje | so |
| 08:26.00 | dupondje | :) |
| 08:26.16 | frazer | lo all I was wondering if anyone could tell me a bit about using the X window system |
| 08:26.38 | frazer | Im tryin to exit it to install nvidia drivers and cant find how to |
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| 08:27.58 | dupondje | receive_packet failed on eth0: Network is down |
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| 08:28.02 | dupondje | this is what i get |
| 08:28.19 | frazer | im running debian 3.1 |
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| 08:28.55 | dupondje | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device down ... |
| 08:28.58 | dupondje | this i also get :s |
| 08:29.01 | Guerin | dupondje: rebuild your kernel from a debian source and .config |
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| 08:29.10 | Guerin | dupondje: your network card is not loaded |
| 08:29.18 | dupondje | Sep 3 10:13:44 linux kernel: eth0: Digital DS21143 Tulip rev 48 at 0001d000, 00:00:F8:1A:83:94, IRQ 10. |
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| 08:29.20 | dupondje | it is ! |
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| 08:29.26 | Guerin | faked: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 08:29.31 | Guerin | frazer: ^^ |
| 08:29.38 | Guerin | frazer: but you should just |
| 08:29.42 | Guerin | !nvidia one-liner |
| 08:29.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 08:29.54 | Guerin | frazer: don't use the nvidia.com method |
| 08:29.58 | Guerin | use the one above |
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| 08:32.13 | frazer | back sorry irc got closed |
| 08:32.28 | leonidasos | so Guerin what about OSS in 2.6.13? (snd-pcm-oss) |
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| 08:32.43 | valdyn_ | frazer: /msg dpkg nvidia and /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner, and dont use nvidia.com's installer |
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| 08:33.06 | Caelum | where's the #kernelnewbies channel? |
| 08:33.10 | frazer | in the teminal? |
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| 08:33.23 | valdyn_ | frazer: in your irc client |
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| 08:34.02 | usn | good morning |
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| 08:34.24 | frazer | ah thanks :) ill look at that |
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| 08:34.49 | coolermania | usn: good morning :) |
| 08:35.16 | valdyn_ | !kernelnewbies |
| 08:35.41 | coolermania | usn: where you from? in my sity - 11:33 am :))), good morning! |
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| 08:35.57 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone tell me whats wrong with this sources.list entrie? |
| 08:36.06 | ThePiratemaster | deb ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
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| 08:36.22 | valdyn_ | Caelum: i bet 'http://www.kernelnewbies.org/' knows |
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| 08:36.31 | valdyn_ | ThePiratemaster: nothing |
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| 08:36.41 | Caelum | valdyn_: yeah I found it, thanks :) |
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| 08:36.57 | ThePiratemaster | then why does aptitude give me an error about it? |
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| 08:37.21 | valdyn_ | ThePiratemaster: why do you try to play a guess game, tell the error, someone might help. |
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| 08:38.36 | ThePiratemaster | im in suse at the moment, i use it for if my debian install is out. and atm i dont have X installed |
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| 08:38.43 | coolermania | usn: you live in Germany? |
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| 08:39.21 | ThePiratemaster | i cannot remember the error |
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| 08:40.00 | usn | coolermania, yes, why? |
| 08:40.01 | coolermania | hm, whois used wi-fi in debian? |
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| 08:40.17 | asmodaiii | hi guys |
| 08:40.20 | coolermania | ugu |
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| 08:41.43 | coolermania | usn: my frend live in Berlin |
| 08:41.57 | coolermania | usr: you live in Berlin? |
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| 08:42.44 | dob1 | hi |
| 08:43.22 | dob1 | i have a rule in my firewall that log some packets, if i restart syslogd it don't continue to log into /var/log/messsage, why? |
| 08:44.20 | coolermania | :) |
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| 08:44.29 | coolermania | bavaria - cool city! |
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| 08:45.33 | valdyn_ | coolermania: except that its not a city |
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| 08:46.03 | coolermania | ok |
| 08:46.14 | coolermania | bavaria - cool beer :) |
| 08:46.37 | ThePiratemaster | heineken is better |
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| 08:47.04 | brunner | Guerin: rather, how can I tell when unstable is broken? |
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| 08:47.19 | coolermania | cooler like beer ;), whois like beer? |
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| 08:48.00 | coolermania | linux, beer, free live! |
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| 08:48.41 | coolermania | http://www.bavariahollandbeer.us/bavaria.html - beer |
| 08:48.51 | ThePiratemaster | did you know that there actually is an opensource beer? |
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| 08:48.59 | ThePiratemaster | with a free recipe |
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| 08:50.34 | brunner | ThePiratemaster: but is it good? |
| 08:50.35 | usn | ThePiratemaster, bavarian beer is open source |
| 08:50.37 | coolermania | opensource beer? it's cool idea, new beer - opensource beer |
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| 08:51.00 | dupondje | Server refused to allocate pty |
| 08:51.00 | dupondje | stdin: is not a tty |
| 08:51.00 | coolermania | :) |
| 08:51.01 | dupondje | wtf ?! |
| 08:51.06 | dupondje | when i try to ssh |
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| 08:51.25 | ThePiratemaster | i dont know, i just read about it |
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| 08:51.28 | valdyn_ | dupondje: ls /dev/pts/ |
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| 08:51.46 | valdyn_ | dupondje: on the server i think |
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| 08:52.30 | brunner | apt-get remove OPEC |
| 08:52.36 | dupondje | valdyn_: empty |
| 08:52.43 | valdyn_ | ThePiratemaster: well its a joke, beer is not even allowed to be called beer here if it contained anything but water / weat / malt etc |
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| 08:52.52 | valdyn_ | dupondje: custom kernel? |
| 08:52.53 | leonidasos | close |
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| 08:53.00 | dupondje | yea Valandil |
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| 08:53.03 | dupondje | valdyn_ |
| 08:53.21 | ThePiratemaster | it was on linux.org |
| 08:53.26 | ThePiratemaster | they dont joke there |
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| 08:53.34 | valdyn_ | dupondje: your need /dev/pts mounted, 'df -a' would list it, /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs would mount it. |
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| 08:54.01 | valdyn_ | dupondje: valdyn@master:/dev/pts$ ls |
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| 08:54.03 | valdyn_ | 0 1 10 11 12 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 |
| 08:54.11 | dupondje | ah k |
| 08:54.14 | dupondje | itss check |
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| 08:54.41 | smains | opensource beer isn't a joke, it is a bunch of danish IT-students that have made the recipe |
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| 08:54.46 | valdyn_ | dupondje: so i guess your kernel has no support for devpts |
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| 08:55.23 | smains | http://www.voresoel.dk/main.php?id=71 |
| 08:55.26 | liable | i didnt know that all the beer makers in the world were the only ones that knew the recipe.. |
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| 08:56.26 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone help me out with apt-get? what would be a valid line for sources.list if i want to add an Etch source (testing) |
| 08:56.26 | valdyn_ | ThePiratemaster: run apt-setup |
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| 08:59.33 | liable | still need to edit dource by hand though.. |
| 08:59.43 | liable | source too :) |
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| 09:01.06 | tarzeau | if it prefers passwd entries over the HOME environment, should it not try HOME if passwd entry fails to work? http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/glib/glib-Miscellaneous-Utility-Functions.html#g-get-home-dir |
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| 09:04.37 | geemark | if one was to reinstall debian, which distibution would you suggest for a workstation? I guess "stable" is too old, and "unstable" is too crappy - how about testing? is it somewhere in between? |
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| 09:04.58 | valdyn_ | geemark: stable is not to old. |
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| 09:05.48 | valdyn_ | geemark: in any case starting with installing stable is the best option, upgrading works, downgrading does not. |
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| 09:06.37 | geemark | vahvarh: i'm using unstable atm, and the kde packages seems to have become f**ked, and it's been so for the last few weeks :/ |
| 09:07.01 | geemark | but is it correct that "testing" is somewhere in between stable and unstable? |
| 09:07.13 | valdyn_ | geemark: yes |
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| 09:07.40 | geemark | the only way to "downgrade" is to go back and start over with a fresh install? |
| 09:07.49 | jobli | m |
| 09:07.53 | geemark | :/ |
| 09:08.02 | valdyn_ | geemark: theoretically not, but practically yea, reinstall |
| 09:08.13 | geemark | bummer |
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| 09:08.47 | green_earz | geemark: sarge statble is ok for a desktop. |
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| 09:09.06 | aqua | how do i reconfigure a package |
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| 09:09.35 | green_earz | geemark: ana if you are new to debian stay will stable |
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| 09:10.01 | streuner | aqua: the usual way you configure (almost) every package in debian dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 09:10.04 | geemark | green_earz: hmm ok |
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| 09:10.07 | Soong | i'm using debian sarge and firefox is very unstable. it crashes regularly when i try to open a new tab and when i install extensions. the official package from mozilla.org doesn't have this problem. how can i solve this problem? |
| 09:10.19 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: hi |
| 09:10.29 | aqua | streuner; thnx |
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| 09:11.06 | tchino | when i send emails with exim4, i get the message: SNeed to authenticate via MTP-AUTH-Login, where do i have to set the right login name and passowrd via exim4? |
| 09:11.11 | green_earz | geemark: book mark the link, its a very handy debian doc: Debian Reference > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
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| 09:11.50 | geemark | thanks |
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| 09:11.56 | green_earz | np |
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| 09:14.40 | revenger1 | is there any way to dump the memory of a process? |
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| 09:15.17 | green_earz | geemark: and for getting to know more about linux; bookmark > " rute book" http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz |
| 09:15.32 | geemark | ok |
| 09:15.48 | green_earz | geemark: you can apt-get it, its in non-free |
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| 09:16.50 | tarzeau | hi Fox_1_ , got my email? |
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| 09:19.38 | green_earz | geemark: have you got debian installed yet ? if not have a go at a net install, if you are a broadband user |
| 09:19.43 | dondelelcaro | revenger1: make it dump core |
| 09:20.13 | dondelelcaro | revenger1: or look at /proc/<pid>/mem |
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| 09:21.01 | paulswm | Hey, dondelelcaro, I survived heart work, have another stent in, but have major arterial blockage in right leg which requires surgery. |
| 09:21.09 | revenger1 | dondelelcaro: I tried to read proc/pid/mem.. but it says not valid file |
| 09:21.16 | revenger1 | (tried to read it using cat) |
| 09:21.21 | dondelelcaro | revenger1: you may not always be able to read it |
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| 09:21.30 | revenger1 | dondelelcaro: any idea why? |
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| 09:21.43 | dondelelcaro | revenger1: This file can be used to access the pages of a process’s memory through open(2), read(2), and fseek(3). |
| 09:21.48 | dondelelcaro | revenger1: man proc; for details |
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| 09:22.37 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: well, good that the heart work went well... how deep is the leg blockage? |
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| 09:22.58 | dondelelcaro | (which leg artery?) |
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| 09:24.21 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: Don't know yet, but too big to stent, aymptoms are that my calf burnd like crazy if I walk more than about 20 paces, and blood pressure in r. ankle is < 50% of what it should be |
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| 09:24.31 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: ah, right... |
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| 09:24.52 | dondelelcaro | yeah, totally makes sense |
| 09:25.03 | paulswm | So it looks like a bypass, will knpw more when I see surgeon, anyway, enough about me :) |
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| 09:25.27 | dondelelcaro | it's probably just the systolic pressure that was low too, right? |
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| 09:25.59 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: Solution is to sit at computer and write programs instead of doing yard work and stuff, so every cloud has a silver lining :) |
| 09:26.03 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: heh |
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| 09:26.49 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: I think that's the case, I guess the base pressure should be the same everywhere |
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| 09:27.51 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: Anyway, thanks for your concern and wishes, much appreciated. |
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| 09:29.33 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: yeah, generally it is unless you're bleeding out |
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| 09:30.09 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: heh; no worries... glad that you're still kicking. |
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| 09:35.35 | manu | some one knows brezy |
| 09:35.36 | manu | ? |
| 09:35.43 | manu | what are the adventage of it |
| 09:35.44 | manu | ? |
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| 09:36.01 | manu | should i upgrade to it ??? |
| 09:36.03 | revenger1 | dondelelcaro: gdb is comfortable enough :) |
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| 09:36.16 | revenger1 | dondelelcaro: http://www.wikiservice.at/dse/wiki.cgi?MarkusRechberger/Notizen :) |
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| 09:36.51 | manu | because breeeeeeezy ? |
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| 09:36.55 | manu | some one knows ? |
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| 09:37.04 | azeem | manu: what are you running right now? |
| 09:37.12 | manu | ubuntu? |
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| 09:37.32 | manu | i had debian before |
| 09:37.37 | azeem | manu: for specific upgrade question, better ask in #ubuntu |
| 09:37.38 | manu | after hohary |
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| 09:37.43 | azeem | dunno how stable breezy is already |
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| 09:42.53 | godog | i'm the only one being spammed by zaga? |
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| 09:43.31 | frankie | a good number of DDs around... strange :) |
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| 09:43.55 | godog | frankie: not _that_ strange after all <g> |
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| 09:44.39 | dondelelcaro | godog: see /topic |
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| 09:45.32 | godog | dondelelcaro: indeed, the nick changes btw |
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| 09:47.58 | dondelelcaro | godog: yeah, it's really annoying. |
| 09:48.22 | dondelelcaro | godog: since the most I can do is ban them (which doesn't really do anything) there's really nothing else to be done but going +E |
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| 09:48.56 | godog | dondelelcaro: yes :( |
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| 09:49.27 | dondelelcaro | godog: just /mode godog +E |
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| 09:49.58 | godog | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 09:50.25 | godog | dondelelcaro: it is not clear from /topic though, it should be <your_nickname> +E :) |
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| 09:51.59 | streuner | Do we need 'mode nickname +E' at all? |
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| 09:52.39 | kadigibox | reisio, pretty good |
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| 09:52.54 | reisio | nice nice |
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| 09:53.39 | moreon | reisio, streuner: mode +E is global default now, you cant get messages from unregistered users unless you have mode +6 |
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| 09:53.59 | moreon | streuner: right, because freenode just decided to block messages from unregistered users by default rather than get rid of the spambots :P |
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| 09:54.52 | streuner | moreon: feel free to make suggestions about :-P |
| 09:54.56 | reisio | moreon: yet I still get pornbot messages until I /umode +E :p |
| 09:55.21 | streuner | moreon: (get rid of spambots...) |
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| 09:55.29 | moreon | reisio: you should report that to #freenode then, unless you've done /msg nickserv set unfiltered ON then you shouldnt be getting that. |
| 09:55.32 | moreon | reisio: try /msg nickserv set unfiltered off |
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| 09:55.37 | moreon | streuner: i have made plenty of suggestions. |
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| 09:55.53 | moreon | streuner: the truth is that lilo would rather force people to register/identify than get rid of the spambots. It's a policy decision. |
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| 10:01.26 | defcon8 | on amarok when i drag stuff into the playlist it says some URL's were not suitable for the playlist but they were mp3'^s and nothnig happens |
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| 10:02.26 | defcon8 | anyone know what to d? |
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| 10:02.50 | jha_ | is it possible to continue uploads with sftp? |
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| 10:03.05 | jha_ | like i can do with wget -c |
| 10:03.24 | tarzeau | not that i know of |
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| 10:03.49 | dondelelcaro | jha_: the closest you can probably get is with rsync |
| 10:03.59 | defcon8 | anyone? |
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| 10:04.14 | jha_ | dondelelcaro: i want to upload a 1.2 gb file on a sftp server |
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| 10:05.00 | godog | jha_: good luck, on local ethernet/fast link I hope |
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| 10:05.51 | dondelelcaro | jha_: yeah, sftp is just kind of sucky, unfortunatly. |
| 10:06.07 | reisio | defcon8: #kde ? |
| 10:06.12 | jha_ | godog: 16 kb/s upload speed |
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| 10:06.19 | jha_ | i am going to split it |
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| 10:06.58 | godog | jha_: hahha, seriously split it or get some other method (nc/rsync) |
| 10:07.34 | godog | jha_: try also lftp FISH:// but that's sftp IIRC or some other trick |
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| 10:09.01 | defcon8 | reisio, found it anyway |
| 10:09.04 | defcon8 | fuser is my friend :) |
| 10:09.09 | reisio | defcon8: nice :) |
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| 10:09.46 | godog | gotta go |
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| 10:10.00 | ls | hi |
| 10:10.04 | coolermania | hi |
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| 10:10.13 | ls | anyone here speek polish? |
| 10:10.15 | reisio | so... |
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| 10:10.37 | reisio | has there yet been any committment from the Ubuntu-ites to not be a thorn in Debian's side? |
| 10:10.41 | coolermania | ls: I'm speak ukrine,russian,english :) |
| 10:10.49 | ls | hehe |
| 10:11.07 | ls | ok so i got problem with debian instalation |
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| 10:11.14 | coolermania | ls: where you from? Poland? |
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| 10:11.28 | reisio | ls: 57 people in #gentoo-pl |
| 10:11.31 | coolermania | ls: what the problem? |
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| 10:11.52 | ls | i got debian netinstal |
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| 10:12.22 | coolermania | and? |
| 10:12.28 | ls | but to connect to internet first i must change MAC address |
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| 10:12.43 | coolermania | hm... |
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| 10:12.49 | reisio | uh, heh |
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| 10:13.40 | coolermania | ls: www.debian.org/doc/ :) |
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| 10:13.53 | ls | theres no problem with changing it |
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| 10:14.30 | ls | but how can i get back to this instalation wizard? |
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| 10:15.12 | coolermania | reboot |
| 10:15.18 | coolermania | ls: reboot |
| 10:15.23 | ls | ok |
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| 10:15.53 | ls | but when i reboot my new MAC is canceled |
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| 10:16.13 | coolermania | ls: ugu |
| 10:16.13 | ls | and i need to change it every time i reboot |
| 10:16.25 | coolermania | yes, you MAC is canceled |
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| 10:17.06 | ls | where in debian is sth like rc.local? |
| 10:17.07 | coolermania | ls: you want install debian with nfs? |
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| 10:17.48 | coolermania | ls: one second... |
| 10:17.51 | ls | what is nfs? |
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| 10:18.03 | reisio | it's like golden mushroom soup |
| 10:18.04 | coolermania | ls:network file system |
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| 10:19.13 | ls | im noob with all this linux stuffs so i dont know :/ |
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| 10:19.37 | reisio | no biggie |
| 10:19.39 | ls | i got debian netinstall cd |
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| 10:20.45 | majnoon | finally (netsplit |
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| 10:23.20 | lg | hey, i need help with configuring samba |
| 10:23.33 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:24.21 | lg | i got it working. but when im trying to connect from windows, it askes for user/pass, and i havnt specified any user |
| 10:24.38 | goldfish | press enter? |
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| 10:26.49 | ls | green_earz: eth0 |
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| 10:27.27 | green_earz | ls: have you added a user yet ? |
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| 10:27.40 | ls | yes |
| 10:28.09 | green_earz | ls: and you cannot log in ? |
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| 10:28.21 | ls | no thats not it |
| 10:28.23 | majnoon | me STILL trying to do a chroot install (yep penny |
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| 10:28.39 | ls | im instaling debian from netinstall cd |
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| 10:28.44 | reisio | majnoon: trying? |
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| 10:29.02 | ls | evertking is ok with instaling basik system |
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| 10:29.23 | majnoon | keep getting terminated when trying the base-config new step |
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| 10:29.27 | ls | but then theres a another netinstall wizzard |
| 10:29.38 | ls | to innstal more appz |
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| 10:29.47 | CountZ | can someone explain how come mbmon manages to get motherboard temperatures and voltages, but I can't find a driver to do it the 'standard' way with sensors? |
| 10:29.55 | green_earz | ls: tasksel |
| 10:30.02 | ls | but i cant connect until i change my MAC addres |
| 10:30.18 | ls | so i must skip this wizzard |
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| 10:30.23 | ls | change the MAC |
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| 10:30.42 | ls | and i want to return to it but i dont know how |
| 10:30.47 | azeem | 12:25 < green_earz> ls: tasksel |
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| 10:31.33 | ls | tasksel? whatis it? |
| 10:31.34 | AbySs | hello |
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| 10:32.43 | AbySs | anybody know when debian for amd64 arch become officiel? |
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| 10:33.42 | dondelelcaro | AbySs: basically once it gets added to the mirror it will be official; should be in a few months. |
| 10:33.54 | dondelelcaro | s/mirror/archive/ |
| 10:33.57 | ls | .... |
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| 10:34.34 | AbySs | uh ok |
| 10:34.36 | azeem | ls: did you try running tasksel? |
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| 10:35.34 | AbySs | i hope ,because it's difficult to find support |
| 10:35.49 | dondelelcaro | AbySs: eh? |
| 10:36.06 | majnoon | anyone know link to gnea's chroot install page ?? |
| 10:36.12 | ls | like i told u im noob. how can i run tasksel? |
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| 10:36.33 | dondelelcaro | ls: just type in 'tasksel' to a command prompt |
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| 10:36.50 | ls | i try this |
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| 10:36.54 | dondelelcaro | AbySs: the support aspect shouldn't really change, the only difference is that it will be on the main mirror network instead of on a totally separate setup. |
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| 10:36.58 | azeem | ls: how did you change the MAC address, btw? |
| 10:37.00 | ls | but nothing happend |
| 10:37.14 | ls | ifconfig down |
| 10:37.25 | ls | ifconfig hw ether XXXXXX |
| 10:37.31 | ls | ifconfig up |
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| 10:38.03 | Om | Heya, how can I force the CPU fan on my Latitude C600 laptop to turn off? It came on (as usual) when the CPU load was high (compiling), but now it's staying on long after the CPU temp is down to normal level. |
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| 10:38.34 | Overand | Om: I missed 'fan' when I read that the first time. |
| 10:38.41 | Om | Before it's always turned itself off, but not this time. |
| 10:38.43 | Om | Heh. |
| 10:38.44 | Overand | I was like 'er... don't you mean throttle the CPU?' |
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| 10:39.03 | Overand | an interesting question though |
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| 10:39.19 | Overand | cpu fan management-in-software being one of those BRILLIANT ideas |
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| 10:41.14 | Om | Any ideas where I could start looking for info? |
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| 10:41.41 | green_earz | ls: reboot the box and then run the command apt-get update as su to see if you have a net connection. the changes you made i think are only temparly |
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| 10:41.52 | Om | /proc/acpi/fan/ is empty...which was my best idea :( |
| 10:41.54 | frankie | Om: starts looking if cpu reduces speed |
| 10:42.10 | frankie | Om: than see current temperature |
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| 10:43.16 | Examer | Anyone have time to answer some questions for me? I got trouble installing debain 3.r01 on my laptop. |
| 10:43.23 | Om | CPU load is practically 0%, and has been for the last hour or so, acpi -V reports temperature at 37 C, normal. |
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| 10:43.49 | azeem | Examer: people might answer depending on your questions and whether they know the answer |
| 10:43.53 | azeem | Examer: just ask |
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| 10:44.09 | Overand | Om: APM info in general maybe... i dunno |
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| 10:45.01 | frankie | Om: is the fan module loaded? |
| 10:45.14 | Om | Overand, I have ACPI rather than APM |
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| 10:45.21 | majnoon | it WORKING now |
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| 10:45.38 | smartbhai | can someone tell me where to get a bootsplash patch for kernel 2.4.27 |
| 10:45.38 | Om | frankie, how would I check? Though I haven't chaned anything I can think of since it was working. |
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| 10:45.52 | Examer | Debain installation cant find my HD it seems. Its a Sata drive, but i thought that was supported? |
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| 10:46.09 | ls | how can i refresh my connection to get new ip address? |
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| 10:46.37 | smartbhai | Examer : what chipset do u have |
| 10:46.37 | Examer | It finds the cd-rom and starts installing fine, just when i get to partioning it reports there are no medium to install on. |
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| 10:47.04 | Examer | fujitsu simens, intel i think. |
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| 10:47.31 | frankie | Om: do you have laptop-mode, cpufreqd and so loaded? |
| 10:47.31 | smartbhai | Examer: what is the motherboard chi[set u have |
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| 10:47.35 | proto1 | guys, i've installed beatrix wich is a debian based distro, or at least it uses apt... |
| 10:47.39 | smartbhai | Examer: what is the motherboard chipset u have |
| 10:47.53 | proto1 | can somebody explain me how do i use apt? |
| 10:47.54 | Examer | checking |
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| 10:48.05 | Om | frankie, neither of those. |
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| 10:48.10 | smartbhai | protol: apt-get install <package-name> |
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| 10:48.19 | Om | I've had laptop-mode disabled for months though... |
| 10:48.20 | smartbhai | protol: apt-get remove <package_name> |
| 10:49.00 | frankie | Om: so you are not varying your cpu speed at all? |
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| 10:49.18 | Om | frankie, no. (Unless it's doing it automagically) |
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| 10:49.32 | proto1 | smartbhai: and how do i know tha package name? apt download files form inet, right? |
| 10:49.32 | Om | It's the CPU fan that's the problem, not the CPU itself. |
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| 10:49.49 | itom | what happend to udev of debian testing? |
| 10:49.50 | frankie | Om: lsmod|grep fan |
| 10:50.06 | Om | $ lsmod | grep fan |
| 10:50.06 | Om | fan 4388 0 |
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| 10:50.15 | itom | some update remove me Gnome or Alsa-Utils |
| 10:50.18 | Examer | Mobile Intel 915PM Express |
| 10:50.30 | frankie | Om: so it's working, did you change kernel? |
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| 10:51.01 | Om | No, this machine has been up over 100 days without a problem, and just today the CPU fan hasn't turned off. |
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| 10:51.17 | smartbhai | protol : eg: apt-get install xmms |
| 10:51.45 | proto1 | ok. but how do i do searches? |
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| 10:51.47 | smartbhai | Examer : u might have to install in expert mode |
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| 10:52.02 | smartbhai | protol : apt-cache search <keyword> |
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| 10:52.15 | smartbhai | eg: apt-cache search audio |
| 10:52.22 | smartbhai | protol: eg: apt-cache search audio |
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| 10:52.42 | proto1 | 10Q |
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| 10:53.14 | Examer | smartbhai: I tryd expert mode, not sure what to write tho. |
| 10:53.15 | coolermania | ls: you begin install deb? |
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| 10:53.40 | majnoon | me doing a chroot install now |
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| 10:53.48 | proto1 | smartbhai: take a look at my pvt msg, please... |
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| 10:54.11 | majnoon | had to do a makedev pty in /dev |
| 10:54.17 | frankie | Om: just try if you can replicate that... maybe something starts to not working properly |
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| 10:54.20 | coolermania | ls: doc's for you, location on first debian installation cd file:///mnt/cdrom/doc/install/manual/en/apa.html |
| 10:54.27 | frankie | Om: i.e. reboot |
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| 10:55.43 | Examer | smartbhai: Is there any good FAQ for my problem? I checkd on debain.org but i could only find problems about not finding the CD, not about not finding the HD. |
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| 10:55.54 | majnoon | this LOOKS like it will go faster then a cdrom install :) |
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| 10:56.12 | smartbhai | protol : u havent send a pv tmessage |
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| 10:56.56 | CountZ | if sensors writes ALARM next to one of the lines, is it a bad sign? :-) |
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| 10:57.06 | dondelelcaro | Om: 104 days is nothing |
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| 10:57.22 | dondelelcaro | Om: plus, you probably needed a kernel upgrade anyway. |
| 10:57.29 | juanlu | olaaaa |
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| 10:57.45 | Om | dondelelcaro, but it's on the way to being something ;\ |
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| 10:57.57 | Om | Linux honu 2.6.11 #1 Thu Apr 21 13:59:14 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:58.00 | dondelelcaro | Om: hey, you can say that when you pass 1 year |
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| 10:58.24 | dondelelcaro | plus, it's a laptop |
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| 10:58.34 | Om | ..and? |
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| 10:58.46 | majnoon | castro said he will send drs to help in new orleans :) |
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| 10:59.19 | dondelelcaro | unlikely, for fear that they might defect... |
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| 10:59.44 | dondelelcaro | but that's wildly OT... /me points to #politics |
| 10:59.53 | majnoon | he prob pick "loyal" ones or hold families hostage |
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| 11:00.42 | majnoon | but me saying it the THOUGHT that counts |
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| 11:05.12 | majnoon | this thing downloaded 839 files already :O |
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| 11:06.09 | majnoon | good thing NOT on dial-up :):) |
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| 11:06.52 | eyegore | I am having trouble configurin a monitor |
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| 11:07.28 | eyegore | it is an old 9" mono and I can't seem to get it to work right with "X" |
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| 11:08.14 | majnoon | ok download done for now |
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| 11:10.19 | coolermania | people, who know links to Debian e-book's? |
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| 11:10.41 | xsquared | hihi, can someone help me with the package "fil-plugins |
| 11:10.43 | coolermania | freeware e-books :) |
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| 11:11.07 | xsquared | there is like no documentation or anything that comes with it and im completely lost |
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| 11:12.06 | coolermania | i like reade linux e-book's, maybe who give me a links? |
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| 11:13.15 | coolermania | who read Debian GNU/Linux Bible? http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0764547100/102-7712087-8637753?_encoding=UTF8&p=S0JD |
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| 11:14.06 | tarzeau | coolermania: i haven't but if it was specific to debian 2.2r2 it's outdated |
| 11:14.30 | coolermania | :( |
| 11:14.43 | tarzeau | coolermania: there's other books specific to sarge |
| 11:14.46 | coolermania | tarzeau: how about new book? |
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| 11:14.58 | tarzeau | coolermania: but if you do have a computer around you, why not read things onine, when you need it? |
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| 11:15.10 | xsquared | MAN is the best book |
| 11:15.22 | coolermania | tarzeau: and? where is it? |
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| 11:15.29 | tarzeau | coolermania: the thing with a book is, you read it and you can't just try the things out without the computer. so why not read and do on the computer? |
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| 11:15.41 | tarzeau | coolermania: no idea. try www.debian.org/doc it has some links to boooks |
| 11:15.49 | tarzeau | xsquared: printer or on the screen? |
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| 11:16.02 | xsquared | screen lol |
| 11:16.04 | xsquared | man man |
| 11:16.07 | tarzeau | xsquared: some man pages are horrible. but yes they're great if you can search them with / |
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| 11:16.16 | xsquared | yeah |
| 11:16.18 | tarzeau | xsquared: man, you know they used to print that |
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| 11:16.26 | xsquared | XD |
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| 11:16.58 | geemark | dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/bin/vim to /usr/bin/vim.org by vim-gtk' clashes with `diversion of /usr/bin/vim to /usr/bin/vim.org by kvim' |
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| 11:17.01 | geemark | what does that mean? |
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| 11:17.14 | tarzeau | geemark: heh |
| 11:17.20 | tarzeau | geemark: did you do one of those packages? |
| 11:17.21 | majnoon | what is latest STABLE kernel ?? |
| 11:17.25 | mc303 | Doesn't the ide=nodma option work with the current netinstall CD ? |
| 11:17.28 | tarzeau | geemark: if not, did you check the bts for the both packages? |
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| 11:17.36 | tarzeau | majnoon: available by debian? |
| 11:17.37 | coolermania | tarzeau: sanks, I do it: wget -m -np -R "*.tar.*" www.debian.org; where is it freeware e-book's about Sarge? |
| 11:17.42 | mc303 | I am trying to turn off DMA because I get DMA errors, but apparently it doesn't work? |
| 11:17.43 | majnoon | yup |
| 11:17.50 | tarzeau | majnoon: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 or something |
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| 11:17.54 | mc303 | i am booting with boot: linux26 ide=nodma |
| 11:17.56 | geemark | tarzeau: i have had the kvim installed, but it does not exists anymore (but somehow the files are still there) |
| 11:17.59 | tarzeau | majnoon: you got hardware that's not supported? |
| 11:18.08 | tarzeau | geemark: did you remove kvim ? |
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| 11:18.15 | tarzeau | mc303: but why? |
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| 11:18.24 | mc303 | how do you mean 'but why' ? |
| 11:18.25 | geemark | tarzeau: if i try, it tells me that it is not installed |
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| 11:18.28 | coolermania | tarzeau: ? |
| 11:18.28 | tarzeau | mc303: maybe your disk is broken? who is the manufacturer? |
| 11:18.35 | tarzeau | mc303: what are the exact msgs? |
| 11:18.37 | mc303 | Quantum Fireball SE 2.1 GB |
| 11:18.42 | mc303 | the messages are: |
| 11:18.47 | xsquared | 2.1 gb.. wow |
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| 11:18.51 | mc303 | hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21 |
| 11:18.51 | mc303 | hda: DMA timeout error |
| 11:18.51 | mc303 | hda: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } |
| 11:18.56 | mc303 | i know, it's an old system |
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| 11:19.03 | mc303 | just to play with :-) |
| 11:19.06 | tarzeau | mc303: yes that disk is dead |
| 11:19.10 | mc303 | and probably the disk doesn't support DMA |
| 11:19.16 | mc303 | i have checked the disk for bad blocks |
| 11:19.25 | tarzeau | xsquared: don't laugh, larger than mine: Disk /dev/hda: 1624 MB, 1624670208 bytes |
| 11:19.25 | mc303 | found no bad blocks on an other PC |
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| 11:19.30 | tarzeau | i wish i had a 2.1 GB disk |
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| 11:19.48 | mc303 | so i guess the disk is not dead, i suppose it just doesn't support DMA... |
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| 11:19.54 | tarzeau | mc303: using read AND write? |
| 11:19.58 | mc303 | yes |
| 11:20.02 | xsquared | i had a 1.6 gb in my computer like 3 months ago |
| 11:20.02 | tarzeau | mc303: maybe the disk does but the board doesn't? |
| 11:20.07 | tarzeau | mc303: some via chipset? |
| 11:20.07 | mc303 | the specs of the disk are at http://users.telenet.be/vandewoestyne/bart/downloads/quantum_fireball/ |
| 11:20.11 | mc303 | don't know... |
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| 11:20.17 | mc303 | the computer I'm isntalling in is a ... |
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| 11:20.34 | Guerin | ah, good old quantum fireball |
| 11:20.39 | majnoon | amd athalon xp |
| 11:20.42 | mc303 | Dell OptiPlex Gn+ 5166L |
| 11:20.47 | tarzeau | majnoon: if you want 2.4.31, http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ |
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| 11:20.49 | Guerin | mc303: drives don't support dma, or not - ide controllers do |
| 11:20.55 | mc303 | ah |
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| 11:21.07 | mc303 | so I should check if the IDE-controller on my mainbord supports DMA or not ? |
| 11:21.10 | majnoon | i'll use apt-get :) |
| 11:21.16 | eyegore | does anyone have a clue as to a plausible refresh rate for a 9" monochome monitor |
| 11:21.19 | tarzeau | mc303: it's probably integrated on the motherboard. but yes |
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| 11:21.29 | tarzeau | eyegore: hmmm on what card? vga? |
| 11:21.35 | eyegore | vga |
| 11:21.41 | tarzeau | eyegore: not sure if hwinfo --monitor works.. but try |
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| 11:21.48 | mc303 | hmm... then for what should I look on my mobo? |
| 11:21.51 | tarzeau | eyegore: i've got a 9" color, i was able to do 800x600 |
| 11:21.56 | mc303 | look close to the IDE-slots for some chipset ? |
| 11:22.01 | eyegore | this one won't |
| 11:22.04 | tarzeau | mc303: hehe ;) not quite |
| 11:22.09 | Guerin | mc303: lspci |
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| 11:22.14 | mc303 | ah |
| 11:22.18 | mc303 | and grep for... ? |
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| 11:22.23 | tarzeau | mc303: find out the motherboard name and search for it in google with "dma" in the query to see if others had problems too |
| 11:22.23 | Guerin | IDE |
| 11:22.27 | Guerin | duh |
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| 11:22.49 | eyegore | command not found |
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| 11:22.58 | mc303 | I'l try the lspci first |
| 11:23.00 | Guerin | !installit |
| 11:23.00 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 11:23.05 | tarzeau | eyegore: sarge? apt-get install hwinfo |
| 11:23.11 | mc303 | I'm afraid it will be hard to find out what mobo it is |
| 11:23.12 | eyegore | Koo |
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| 11:23.38 | Morti | What can I use to create ANSI pictures for use with linuxlogo? |
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| 11:23.50 | mc303 | anyway, I'll be back later |
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| 11:23.56 | tarzeau | Morti: tetradraw |
| 11:24.03 | mc303 | so it's not the hard disk that supports DMA or not, it's the IDE-controller, right? |
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| 11:24.17 | tarzeau | Morti: i got some stuff at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ansi/ |
| 11:24.19 | mc303 | I should Google for the IDE controller and see if it supports DMA or not, right? |
| 11:24.24 | eyegore | Believe it or not but this bos is running woody |
| 11:24.25 | mwilson | And the disk, yes. |
| 11:24.47 | eyegore | box* |
| 11:24.53 | tarzeau | eyegore: that's nothing unusual, but time to upgrade it, don't you think? |
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| 11:25.30 | eyegore | it is only a pentium 166 |
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| 11:25.47 | Morti | tarzeau: Cool. Is there anything to convert image to ANSI available in Debian? |
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| 11:26.05 | tarzeau | Morti: yeah there's caca-utils |
| 11:26.06 | eyegore | could I get sarge to work on something this old? |
| 11:26.11 | tarzeau | Morti: and then cacaview the.jpg ;) |
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| 11:26.20 | tarzeau | eyegore: i run it on a 486 ... |
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| 11:26.44 | Morti | Ah, of course. Thanks. |
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| 11:27.00 | Kerr | hmm.. i'm gonna try and get my usb2 cd writer working again. Last time, i failed. i'm using etch. before i go whore google, any tips? |
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| 11:28.15 | EmleyMoor | How do I find out precisely which on-board IDE chipset I have, if the detail has left dmesg? |
| 11:28.23 | eyegore | stable is the repository right? |
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| 11:28.37 | CountZ | is there a debian package for rrd graphing of sensord output? |
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| 11:29.54 | xerophyte | does anybody know any good porker online game |
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| 11:30.08 | CountZ | what is porker? somebody who has sex with pork? |
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| 11:30.19 | cuti | hey people |
| 11:30.21 | cuti | anyone here? |
| 11:30.28 | xsquared | cuti: we are not here |
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| 11:30.30 | azeem | EmleyMoor: lscpi might tell you |
| 11:30.34 | cuti | how do i unzip 50 files at once :) |
| 11:30.52 | azeem | cuti: unzip *.zip does not work? |
| 11:30.54 | EmleyMoor | azeem: It has given me a good clue, as it happens - no certainty but good |
| 11:31.02 | cuti | nope azeem |
| 11:31.07 | azeem | cuti: for i in *.zip; do unzip $i; done |
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| 11:31.23 | azeem | EmleyMoor: lsmod might be another |
| 11:31.34 | xsquared | unzip *.zip > /dev/null .. LOL. i wanna try that |
| 11:31.52 | azeem | xsquared: ? |
| 11:31.54 | eyegore | And away it crunches |
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| 11:32.08 | eyegore | that is going to take awhile |
| 11:32.11 | xsquared | azeem: im bored |
| 11:32.21 | azeem | ah |
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| 11:32.33 | majnoon | might be an ok cpu test ?? |
| 11:32.51 | eyegore | 236 packeges to upgrade |
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| 11:33.01 | cuti | Awesome! thanks azeem :) |
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| 11:34.34 | xsquared | anyone know of an equalizer that runs transparently over ALSA? |
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| 11:34.44 | Morti | tarzeau: So I'm viewing something in cacaview, now what can I do with it? |
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| 11:35.41 | tarzeau | Morti: screen can dump ansi , check the docs for cacaview... i don't know |
| 11:35.50 | tarzeau | Morti: screen has ctrl-a H or h i don't remember |
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| 11:35.58 | flawd | My bash script doesn't seem to find any of the other scripts I have in ~/bin/ for execution? |
| 11:35.58 | takatumi | tarzeau: http://gpoppy.org/2005-09-03-143501_1024x768_scrot.png |
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| 11:36.17 | tarzeau | takatumi: your font sucks |
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| 11:36.27 | tarzeau | takatumi: try the same in the console or wiht the "lime" font |
| 11:36.54 | tarzeau | takatumi: i hope the cow's not for me, btw know this one? www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ ? |
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| 11:37.18 | ChuffyCow | hey all -- when two raid arrays are part of a single volume group, and one the arrays fails (due to a bad drive), what happens to the volume group? |
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| 11:37.34 | genera | takatumi: which WM is that? |
| 11:38.01 | js_ | what hardware is most important when a computer is to handle heavy network traffic? (a lot of transfers at max 100mbps throughput) |
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| 11:38.14 | ChuffyCow | are the filesystems that were created on that VG still mounted, but just short of files, or is everything on that VG down till the failed array is restored? |
| 11:38.17 | takatumi | genera: ion3 |
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| 11:38.22 | genera | ic |
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| 11:38.48 | ChuffyCow | js_: depends on what type of traffic. is it all apache/dynamic traffic, or is it more of a fileserver application, serving up lots of small (or large) files ? |
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| 11:38.56 | xsquared | is ion3 any good? better than fluxbox? |
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| 11:39.04 | js_ | ChuffyCow: it's a fileserver |
| 11:39.05 | xsquared | would you say |
| 11:39.30 | js_ | ChuffyCow: serving multiple quite large files |
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| 11:39.35 | CountZ | js_: I would say a very fast raid configuration using the fastest SCSI technology |
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| 11:39.46 | CountZ | js_: And a lot of RAM |
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| 11:39.52 | ChuffyCow | js_: the drives themselves need to be able to feed the controller card, and the controller card then needs to be able to feed the network card |
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| 11:40.06 | eyegore | I had not realized this thing was that out of date, my bad, it was sarge when it was testing |
| 11:40.10 | takatumi | tarzeau: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/index.cgi?moo=Who+do+you+think+you%27re%3F+Caligula%3F |
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| 11:40.33 | js_ | the box i have now gets easily overloaded when transfers start to happen.. its a celeron 2ghz with 256 ram |
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| 11:40.41 | js_ | CountZ: it only hs 256mb ram at the moment |
| 11:40.45 | ChuffyCow | so raid5 it, make sure you have a very fast PCI bus -- 64bit/66mhz,or PCI-X |
| 11:40.55 | js_ | ChuffyCow: i see |
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| 11:41.01 | ChuffyCow | and don't let yourself get swamped under due to lack of CPU power, or ram shortage |
| 11:41.05 | js_ | ChuffyCow: will software raid do? |
| 11:41.23 | js_ | ChuffyCow: i run LVM on a couple of drives now.. but im not sure how that affects performance |
| 11:41.25 | ChuffyCow | software raid should be more than adequate |
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| 11:41.58 | ChuffyCow | what kind of switch do you have? |
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| 11:42.32 | ChuffyCow | if you have something that supports channel bonding, that can be a great way to get an extra boost with out having to run gigabit to everything |
| 11:42.39 | eyegore | what could I set the color depth to on that thing |
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| 11:43.12 | js_ | ChuffyCow: but such speeds would put even more load on the box itself |
| 11:43.15 | ChuffyCow | js_: are you serving files via samba, or nfs ? |
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| 11:43.27 | js_ | ChuffyCow: ftp |
| 11:43.31 | xsquared | kk, im off |
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| 11:43.35 | xsquared | seeya'z |
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| 11:44.06 | Morti | I can get a "hardcopy" but it's not ANSI. :/ |
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| 11:44.34 | ChuffyCow | what type of setting is this being deployed in? on an internet-facing machine, or something run on a private lan? |
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| 11:44.52 | ChuffyCow | not that it really changes anything, but i'm just curious |
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| 11:45.23 | js_ | ChuffyCow: both |
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| 11:45.39 | js_ | ChuffyCow: the nic is a "Intel Corp. 82801BD PRO/100 VE (LOM)" btw |
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| 11:46.13 | ChuffyCow | Intel makes good cards, can't go wrong with them |
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| 11:46.41 | js_ | ChuffyCow: so what can it be? i only have 256 ram, and the cpu got 128kb cache.. can those be the bottlenecks? |
| 11:46.43 | ChuffyCow | have you deployed the machine already, and are experiencing bad bottlenecks? |
| 11:46.49 | js_ | yes |
| 11:47.01 | ChuffyCow | are you going deep into swap? |
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| 11:47.19 | js_ | no swap is being used at the moment |
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| 11:47.45 | js_ | i switched to a promise controller card instead of the on board intel yesterday.. it seemed to help a bit, but not much |
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| 11:47.58 | CountZ | Anyone has a sensors.conf working with an LM85 sensor chip? |
| 11:47.58 | ChuffyCow | I'd still recommend bumping up the ram in the machine |
| 11:48.15 | ChuffyCow | js_: what speeds can you get from the machine? |
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| 11:48.56 | js_ | ChuffyCow: if theres only _one_ transfer, i can sometimes max to roughly 11mb/s .. but if there are multiple transfers i dont see it going past 3mb/s, and the load average tops 10-11 |
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| 11:49.26 | ChuffyCow | js_: aggregate of 3mb/s, or each one hitting 3mb/s ? |
| 11:49.38 | js_ | ChuffyCow: aggregate of 3mb/s |
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| 11:49.59 | ChuffyCow | js_: if you can sustain one at 11mb/s, it sounds like a disk problem |
| 11:50.02 | addNtoX | hola |
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| 11:50.34 | js_ | ChuffyCow: can it still be related to ram? |
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| 11:50.43 | ChuffyCow | it's a combination of both |
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| 11:50.59 | ChuffyCow | double or triple the ram if you can afford to |
| 11:51.15 | ChuffyCow | are you using proper raid 5, or just a striped (or linear) lvm ? |
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| 11:52.37 | Overand | are there sound-quality issues with the EMU-10k drivers? |
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| 11:52.43 | ma3x | hi |
| 11:52.44 | erich | js_, ChuffyCow: isn't it normal that disk i/o goes down a lot when you need a lot of seeking? |
| 11:52.45 | js_ | this is an ordinary lvm, i dont know what it uses |
| 11:52.56 | ChuffyCow | erich: yes |
| 11:53.01 | Overand | I've got a somewhat complex audio rig, and there's clipping somewhere. I'm pretty sure it's the sound card |
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| 11:53.08 | ChuffyCow | js_: probably just linear |
| 11:53.17 | flawd | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.29 | ma3x | yesterday when win user tried to login to my proftpd server via lan it was very slow. When he got connected to the server, it took like 10 secs to popup for username and password |
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| 11:53.32 | ChuffyCow | which means that if the 4 or 5 files being served at the same time are all on the first drive, you put a huge load on that drive |
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| 11:53.42 | js_ | its not raid5 |
| 11:53.43 | ma3x | And then 10 more to log him in. Do you know what might this be causing? |
| 11:53.48 | js_ | ChuffyCow: how can i solve that? |
| 11:53.54 | gosam | hi all, my new mobo is giving me headaches. it has a sis7012 audio chip wich is detected by alsa, all modules are loaded, i can change volume levels in the mixer, but i get no sound!! |
| 11:53.57 | erich | flawd: are your running the bash script as root, too? |
| 11:53.58 | ma3x | When I tried to login to his win ftp server, everything was normal |
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| 11:54.07 | ChuffyCow | js_: raid5 will allow you to stripe out the reads, so that no one disc is being hit for everything |
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| 11:54.18 | js_ | and its also redundant, yeah |
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| 11:54.28 | js_ | ChuffyCow: but shouldnt raid0 give even better performance then? |
| 11:54.38 | ChuffyCow | raid0 will give good performance |
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| 11:54.46 | ChuffyCow | but if one drive goes, everything goes |
| 11:54.49 | Overand | yeah |
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| 11:55.00 | Overand | and raid 0's performance increase is only noticable in certain applications |
| 11:55.01 | ma3x | hello |
| 11:55.05 | Overand | like large sequential data transfers |
| 11:55.05 | flawd | erich, no but /proc/driver/acerhk/led is --w--w--w- |
| 11:55.07 | ma3x | can somebody reply pls? |
| 11:55.09 | eyegore | You could mirror raid 0 |
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| 11:55.17 | ChuffyCow | Overand: which is actually what he's going to be doing |
| 11:55.19 | Overand | so if you're doing audio or video editing/processing, raid 0 is great |
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| 11:55.32 | erich | flawd: directory permissions are also okay? try running the script as root, too. |
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| 11:55.36 | ChuffyCow | I tend to avoid raid 0 like the plague |
| 11:55.36 | Overand | but for your SQL database server... maybe not so useful |
| 11:55.44 | flawd | will try erich |
| 11:55.46 | eyegore | I would not use it for long term storage though |
| 11:55.50 | erich | flawd: even when the file permissions are okay, maybe the kernel driver does some extra checks |
| 11:55.51 | Overand | ChuffyCow: i do audio production work for a living., raid 0 is like crack |
| 11:56.02 | Overand | risky as hell, scary, dangerous, but a lot of fun and highly addictive |
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| 11:56.11 | Overand | (at least I asssume that's how crack is) |
| 11:56.14 | yxa | isnt raid0 just joining all the disks and see it as one? |
| 11:56.20 | ChuffyCow | yxa: with parity |
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| 11:56.25 | Overand | yxa: no, raid 0 is a 'simple stripe' |
| 11:56.26 | Overand | wait |
| 11:56.26 | ChuffyCow | yxa: err, striping |
| 11:56.27 | Overand | sorry |
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| 11:56.36 | Overand | raid 1 is mirror |
| 11:56.40 | eyegore | Then back up your work to a fault tolerant raid system |
| 11:56.45 | Overand | and raid 'JBOD" is just a pile of discs |
| 11:56.47 | Overand | eyegore: yeah |
| 11:56.48 | js_ | ChuffyCow: so ill try putting more memory in there and eventually switching to raid |
| 11:56.59 | yxa | i havent seen too many people using raid0 |
| 11:57.00 | ChuffyCow | js_: how many discs do you have in there now? |
| 11:57.06 | Overand | yxa: it's not a smart move in most places |
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| 11:57.16 | Overand | but when i'm chugging through 4 gigs of data like |
| 11:57.18 | Overand | frequently |
| 11:57.26 | Overand | it makes a lot of sense |
| 11:57.30 | js_ | ChuffyCow: three ... of different sizes :/ |
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| 11:57.40 | ChuffyCow | js_: ahh, I see the problem |
| 11:57.43 | Overand | sequential disk access is king for what i do |
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| 11:57.46 | Overand | anyway afk folks |
| 11:57.51 | eyegore | Then I suggest yo go to a system that supports 8gigs of ram |
| 11:57.54 | yxa | Overand only if that intermediate data is not critical :) |
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| 11:58.03 | js_ | Overand: ill take that into concern, i do audio production as well :) |
| 11:58.06 | flawd | erich, nothing happens. I know the script should execute "echo on > /proc/driver/acerhk/led" as I have a line under it echo "turnled on" that echoes it successfully to the terminal |
| 11:58.11 | ChuffyCow | js_: you're sort of out of luck until you can get into a position for a raid 5 setup |
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| 11:58.23 | ChuffyCow | js_: but bumping up ram will help for the short term |
| 11:58.40 | flawd | if I do echo on > /proc/driver/acerhk/led from a Xterm it lighs |
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| 11:58.56 | js_ | ChuffyCow: how does the different drive sizes give me a problem? |
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| 11:59.04 | js_ | ChuffyCow: i mean right now, i know it wont work with raid |
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| 11:59.12 | ChuffyCow | js_: that's the problem |
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| 11:59.23 | the_stick | Hi |
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| 11:59.32 | the_stick | I want to install a distro of linux on my PC, it has no funtional optical drives/floppy drives and has 2 FAT32 partitions |
| 11:59.33 | js_ | ChuffyCow: i was thinking of it somehow affected performance of the lvm i got |
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| 11:59.39 | the_stick | any recommendations/suggestions? |
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| 11:59.59 | erich | flawd: weird. anything in dmesg? |
| 12:00.05 | ChuffyCow | the_stick: buy a cdrom drive? |
| 12:00.12 | erich | I don't have an acer. radeontool works fine here. |
| 12:00.13 | ChuffyCow | the_stick: PXE boot it |
| 12:00.29 | the_stick | ok, I'll read more about it |
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| 12:00.30 | flawd | nope |
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| 12:00.41 | the_stick | I have a laptop, and I can't get a replacement |
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| 12:00.52 | flawd | erich, it is annoying that the command works in terminal and not in the script |
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| 12:01.38 | ChuffyCow | js_: i'd say for the short term, a ram upgrade will help, but you are still heavily limited by the drive setup. Until that is taken care of, I think you can just hope for a marginal improvement over the current situation. |
| 12:01.41 | eyegore | god this thing still has nano |
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| 12:01.58 | js_ | ChuffyCow: i see, thanks a lot for your help! |
| 12:02.11 | the_stick | is there no way I can copy the setup files to the local HDD and install a bootloader to initialize the installation? |
| 12:02.16 | ChuffyCow | js_: glad I could help |
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| 12:02.42 | erich | the_stick: that should be possible. I never did that. but PXE probably is easier. |
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| 12:03.06 | the_stick | What's PXE, network installation? |
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| 12:03.10 | erich | the_stick: I would borrow an usb cd drive from a friend I guess. |
| 12:03.15 | erich | the_stick: network boot, yes. |
| 12:03.21 | ChuffyCow | the_stick: yeah, it allows a machine to boot via a network card |
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| 12:03.41 | eyegore | great for terminals |
| 12:03.42 | the_stick | oh, I have only 1 laptop I can use here |
| 12:03.44 | ChuffyCow | generaly takes a PXE capable card, and a PXE/tftp/dhcp/whatever server to actually let the client boot |
| 12:03.48 | flawd | erich, quite frustrating |
| 12:03.55 | ma3x | heyu |
| 12:03.59 | ma3x | hey guys |
| 12:04.00 | ma3x | howdy? |
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| 12:04.07 | flawd | hi ma3x |
| 12:04.11 | ma3x | hi flawd |
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| 12:04.15 | ma3x | you flowing okay? |
| 12:04.30 | erich | no,he is flawing. |
| 12:04.45 | ma3x | hey listen |
| 12:04.49 | ma3x | my xine won't play .flac |
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| 12:04.54 | ma3x | you interested in helping me? |
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| 12:05.07 | ma3x | i'll get you into biznis |
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| 12:05.27 | mc303 | How do i find out what type of IDE-controller I have and whether it supports DMA or not ? |
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| 12:05.47 | coolermania | debian - champion of size Software in distributiv? |
| 12:05.48 | erich | the_stick: it's all in the manual i guess: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
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| 12:06.05 | ma3x | come on help me |
| 12:06.07 | ma3x | i'll ya? |
| 12:06.08 | spiritz | I can't remember the name of an equivalent to rpmfind for deb packages. Any clue anyone? |
| 12:06.12 | ma3x | flawd, i'll ya |
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| 12:06.40 | GregM | apt-cache search package? |
| 12:06.45 | azeem | spiritz: packages.debian.org |
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| 12:06.48 | spiritz | I was looking for a website indeed |
| 12:07.00 | spiritz | ok I'll try that |
| 12:07.00 | spiritz | thanks |
| 12:07.15 | flawd | ma3x, first check if xine can play flac and then if you have flac support installed |
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| 12:07.35 | flawd | either install a flac capable player and /or flac support to fix the problem |
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| 12:07.50 | ma3x | flawd, hey dude, great you reply!! i'll buy you irc beer!! xine won't play flac |
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| 12:08.13 | flawd | ma3x, first check if xine can play flac and then if you have flac support installed |
| 12:08.15 | flawd | either install a flac capable player and /or flac support to fix the problem |
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| 12:08.36 | ma3x | flawd, how do i install flac support for xine? |
| 12:08.49 | flawd | ma3x, first check if it CAN play flac |
| 12:08.51 | flawd | I dont know |
| 12:08.56 | azeem | ma3x: check the source, maybe there is a hint there |
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| 12:09.07 | ChuffyCow | google is your friend. |
| 12:09.09 | erich | or the changelog. maybe they had to disable it for some reason. |
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| 12:09.21 | flawd | the player itself must be able to play the file |
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| 12:09.30 | flawd | then of course you must have flac support on the system |
| 12:09.31 | ma3x | google is your friend |
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| 12:09.34 | ma3x | then who's your enemy? |
| 12:09.39 | flawd | ma3x, Bill |
| 12:09.44 | ma3x | hahahaa |
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| 12:10.00 | ma3x | did you see that video when they slapped him with a big cake in his face? |
| 12:10.01 | flawd | There is a great movie called Kill Bill |
| 12:10.02 | azeem | xine-lib (1.0-1ubuntu2) hoary; urgency=low |
| 12:10.02 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:10.17 | erich | ma3x: does "ldd /usr/lib/xine/plugins/*/xineplug_flac.s" give any errors? |
| 12:10.21 | azeem | ma3x: file a wishlist bug against libxine1 I guess |
| 12:10.27 | erich | s/flac.s/flac.so/ |
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| 12:10.50 | ma3x | erich, hehe lemme check dudde |
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| 12:11.11 | erich | I don't have a flac file, so i can't check if my xine can play flac. i do have the plugin though. |
| 12:11.14 | ma3x | erich, dude ldd: /usr/lib/xine/plugins/*/xineplug_flac.s: No such file or directory |
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| 12:11.27 | erich | ma3x: I dropped an o at the end. |
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| 12:11.36 | erich | it must be .so obviously. |
| 12:11.45 | ma3x | erich, be careful next time :!!P |
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| 12:12.09 | erich | ma3x: and please don't dud' that much? |
| 12:12.09 | ma3x | erich, it gives a lottta information, no error |
| 12:12.11 | ma3x | like 5 lines |
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| 12:12.15 | ma3x | okay dude |
| 12:12.20 | erich | ma3x: the FLAC line is okay? |
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| 12:12.28 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.38 | ma3x | dunno if that means ok or notg |
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| 12:12.54 | erich | should be fine. |
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| 12:13.10 | ma3x | nope |
| 12:13.12 | ma3x | not fine, aint playin |
| 12:13.14 | erich | so xine is supposed to be able to playback flac on your machine. are you sure it's a valid flac file you have. |
| 12:13.27 | ChuffyCow | does xine log anything to a console, or to syslog? |
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| 12:13.42 | abrotman | does it work in "anotherOS"? |
| 12:13.46 | ma3x | erich, million %^ sure |
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| 12:13.51 | ma3x | erich, xmms plays it |
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| 12:13.58 | ma3x | xine doesnt like it |
| 12:14.04 | abrotman | ma3x: is it just video no sound? or not at all? |
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| 12:14.14 | ChuffyCow | flac is audio only |
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| 12:14.28 | abrotman | see how much i know :) |
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| 12:14.33 | ma3x | abrotman, hello Sir, just music and nothing but the music |
| 12:14.36 | abrotman | does totem play any other audio files? |
| 12:14.36 | ChuffyCow | that's about all I know |
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| 12:14.49 | codered | hi |
| 12:14.51 | ma3x | abrotman, we're talking about the xine here sir! |
| 12:14.53 | ChuffyCow | ma3x: any reason why xine needs to play it? |
| 12:15.01 | Ekaterin | I just upgraded my NIS master server to sarge, and now it can't push the NIS maps. Error message is "YPPUSH: bridge.statslab.cam.ac.uk is not the master for netid.byname, try it from bridge." |
| 12:15.06 | codered | anyone knows if there is a bug on SSH-1.99-OpenSSH3.4p1 on debian woody? |
| 12:15.09 | ma3x | u |
| 12:15.09 | abrotman | ma3x: ok .. this is why i shouldn't irc in the morning :) |
| 12:15.15 | ma3x | ChuffyCow, because its the engine in my amarok |
| 12:15.17 | codered | because my box where owned |
| 12:15.17 | abrotman | codered: in woody? |
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| 12:15.21 | erich | I can't find a test flac file with google... :-( |
| 12:15.27 | ma3x | abrotman, hahahahha well don't THEN! |
| 12:15.30 | codered | and I think the problem is in SSH |
| 12:15.33 | codered | abrotman yes |
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| 12:15.42 | ChuffyCow | Ekaterin: verified that the nis domainname is set properly, and all of that basic stuff? |
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| 12:15.49 | abrotman | ma3x: you have the libflac stuff installled? .. or you used the win32 codecs from marillat? |
| 12:15.57 | ma3x | abrotman, prolly both |
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| 12:16.10 | abrotman | codered: i'm sure there was one ... dpkg -l ssh |
| 12:16.12 | Ekaterin | ChuffyCow: Well "domainname" says "statslab" like I'd expect. |
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| 12:16.20 | ChuffyCow | ma3x: start xine from a terminal, and try and play the flac. it will most likely log errors to stderr, which will be caught in the terminal. |
| 12:16.28 | abrotman | codered: you didn't just install the machine did you ? |
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| 12:16.36 | Ekaterin | ChuffyCow: "bridge" and "bridge.statslab.cam.ac.uk" are just different names for the same machine, so why is it complaining? |
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| 12:16.56 | ma3x | ChuffyCow, it doesnt show anything in the console |
| 12:16.58 | ChuffyCow | Ekaterin: i'm honestly not sure. all my NIS servers are based on FreeBSD |
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| 12:17.04 | codered | abrotman this box is a proxy server of my school |
| 12:17.14 | codered | i installed this 3 month ago |
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| 12:17.18 | cokeblood | hi guys |
| 12:17.20 | azeem | codered: what's the package version? |
| 12:17.21 | ChuffyCow | ma3x: a console, as in system console, or an xterm? |
| 12:17.25 | abrotman | codered: do you have the security line in your sources? |
| 12:17.30 | codered | now I discovered that it was owned |
| 12:17.30 | ma3x | ChuffyCow, indeed |
| 12:17.33 | ma3x | it shows nuffin |
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| 12:17.36 | codered | and the owner changed the root password |
| 12:17.39 | cokeblood | i just installed my first debian ^^ |
| 12:17.46 | ChuffyCow | ma3x: which is it? |
| 12:17.48 | codered | and I can't update the box from my home pc |
| 12:17.50 | ChuffyCow | a console, or an xterm? |
| 12:17.52 | flawd | congratulations cokeblood |
| 12:17.59 | ma3x | ChuffyCow, Konsole |
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| 12:18.01 | abrotman | codered: do you have the security line in your sources? |
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| 12:18.07 | ChuffyCow | ma3x: ahh |
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| 12:18.11 | codered | ii ssh 3.4p1-1.woody.3 Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH) |
| 12:18.28 | ChuffyCow | ma3x: does running 'xine --help' give anything? |
| 12:18.29 | ma3x | ChuffyCow, Konsole or xterm, its the same thing |
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| 12:18.37 | codered | abrotman yes I have but I don't update the box since 3 month ago |
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| 12:18.45 | cokeblood | flawd, the problem is that i tried to install and configure X, everything seemed ok, but if i type startx, xinit, xstart, etc. it says just "unknown command" |
| 12:18.47 | codered | so I get owned |
| 12:18.48 | flawd | codered, woody is not the current stable version. You might want to upgrade |
| 12:18.55 | ChuffyCow | it might have a flag so that you can view errors on stderr or stdout |
| 12:19.05 | codered | flawd I know but the owner changed the root password! |
| 12:19.05 | abrotman | codered: afaict .. that is the latest for woody .. does it run other services? |
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| 12:19.17 | ma3x | ChuffyCow, yes, the help standard |
| 12:19.18 | cokeblood | and 'cause i'ma linux newbye (1 month) used to fedora i don't know how to create a pppoe connection on debian |
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| 12:19.30 | cokeblood | on fedora it's easy, you just have to run a gui configure tool.... |
| 12:19.32 | ChuffyCow | Ekaterin: Have you tried to rebuild all of the NIS maps, and then push them out? |
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| 12:19.40 | flawd | codered, you are not the owner? |
| 12:19.41 | codered | abrotman to the outside not |
| 12:19.57 | ma3x | damn guys |
| 12:19.59 | codered | flawd the cracker changed the root password |
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| 12:20.02 | ma3x | you aint helpinf me |
| 12:20.04 | ma3x | i gotta go |
| 12:20.08 | ChuffyCow | you don't know anything |
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| 12:20.09 | abrotman | cokeblood: what is your preferred desktop ? |
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| 12:20.19 | codered | and this box is far from me :) |
| 12:20.21 | ChuffyCow | and it's horribly hard to help someone who knows abosoutely nothing about what he's trying to do |
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| 12:20.36 | ma3x | what do you mean i donty know anything |
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| 12:20.49 | Ekaterin | ChuffyCow: Wait a moment, how do I rebuild the NIS maps? |
| 12:20.55 | the_stick | :)\ |
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| 12:21.10 | flawd | ma3x, have you checked if Xine is capable of playing flac files? |
| 12:21.12 | erich | codered: well, if it got owned, you gotta go and reinstall it. |
| 12:21.18 | abrotman | did he ask #xine ? |
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| 12:21.25 | ma3x | flawd, how exactly do i check that? |
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| 12:21.31 | codered | erich mmmh I can't until the begin of the school |
| 12:21.34 | erich | ma3x: if I had a flac file i could at least test if it works here... |
| 12:21.42 | flawd | ma3x, read the manual or google for Xine's homepage and read docs? |
| 12:21.47 | erich | codered: call someone to take it offline at least. |
| 12:21.51 | flawd | ma3x, or google for "Xine flac" |
| 12:21.58 | ChuffyCow | Ekaterin: in the directory that the maps are stored (/var/yp on freebsd) there is a script used to rebuild the maps. |
| 12:22.03 | abrotman | it's the proxy at his school |
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| 12:22.23 | ma3x | erich, I could make one flac and send you?? |
| 12:22.24 | ChuffyCow | Ekaterin: unless you've made drastic changes to your maps, building them from scratch is a way to ensure they are synced to the current state of the system |
| 12:22.25 | flawd | ma3x, or "man xine" then "/flac" |
| 12:22.38 | codered | abrotman yes but proxy in the lan |
| 12:22.40 | Guerin | bah, amarok |
| 12:22.44 | codered | abrotman to the outside only ssh is active |
| 12:22.45 | abrotman | ma3x: ffs .. find a flac online .. i have xine installed .. i'll try |
| 12:22.49 | ChuffyCow | Ekaterin: I've setup and run NIS/YP, but I don't have a lot of experience debugging problems with it |
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| 12:23.07 | ma3x | abrotman, okay msg me after |
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| 12:23.13 | abrotman | codered: taking the box down is not an option ? |
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| 12:23.22 | abrotman | ma3x: i meant a free one .. not yours |
| 12:23.23 | erich | codered: do you have php on that box? php stuff is by far the most common entrance vector, btw. But if you want to hack your own box, this is probably not the right channel. we're trying to help newbies, we aren neither whitehats nor blackhats. |
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| 12:23.27 | [GABRI] | is posiblle crack wep with ipw2200? |
| 12:23.33 | ma3x | abrotman, i understand, just test it and msg me after |
| 12:23.35 | Ekaterin | ChuffyCow: I tried touching the "original files" for the maps. They rebuilt OK, it's just the yppush that is failing. |
| 12:23.38 | ma3x | i'll go to the swimming pool |
| 12:23.47 | abrotman | ma3x: i don' tknow where to get one! |
| 12:23.55 | ma3x | haha |
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| 12:23.58 | ma3x | hold on let me c |
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| 12:24.02 | asg | [GABRI]: is posiblle you communicate better? |
| 12:24.04 | erich | [GABRI]: i bet it's possible, the question is more if its possible in realistic time. |
| 12:24.08 | t0ffel | can I have gpg installed without debsign, make-kpkg and company insisting on signing stuff? I've tried running make-kpkg with '-us -uc' to no avail. I also tried editting /etc/kernel-pkg.conf, but I get a gpg error after spending a lot of time getting make-kpkg to work with fakeroot. |
| 12:24.11 | ChuffyCow | Ekaterin: hmm. any information on the slave servers? |
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| 12:24.25 | abrotman | [GABRI]: #ipw2200 |
| 12:24.27 | codered | thanks bye :) |
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| 12:24.33 | erich | I mean, you can just try with every possible key, 1 per second, takes a couple thousand years probably... |
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| 12:24.42 | asmodaiii | re hi guys |
| 12:24.47 | ChuffyCow | Ekaterin: I would assume not, but ... |
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| 12:25.02 | Ekaterin | ChuffyCow: Doesn't look like the slave server has received anything. |
| 12:25.23 | erich | abrotman: not too unlikely. ;-) |
| 12:25.30 | ChuffyCow | can you message me the error you get? |
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| 12:25.45 | erich | abrotman: he said "the owner changed the root password", didn't he? |
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| 12:25.56 | ma3x | abrotman, just test it and msg me what you've done |
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| 12:26.15 | abrotman | erich: yeah .. which is possible if owned .. but 'my school' .. proxy .. |
| 12:26.17 | Ekaterin | ChuffyCow: It won't let me /msg you... |
| 12:26.24 | abrotman | ma3x: i can't find one! |
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| 12:26.36 | Ekaterin | ChuffyCow: YPPUSH: bridge.statslab.cam.ac.uk is not the master for netid.byname, try it from bridge [or other maps than netid.byname] |
| 12:26.39 | abrotman | ma3x: i'll look a bit |
| 12:26.43 | the_stick | Damn, there's no way I can install linux on my PC :( |
| 12:26.44 | ma3x | abrotman, try some torrent site, or google |
| 12:26.47 | erich | abrotman: it's not too atypical that pupils hack the computers at their school, e.g. to have them download mp3s for them... |
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| 12:26.58 | ChuffyCow | thanks |
| 12:27.02 | ma3x | there are some legal songs on torrentz |
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| 12:27.10 | abrotman | ma3x: i found one |
| 12:27.12 | the_stick | some |
| 12:27.15 | abrotman | ma3x: i try not to steal |
| 12:27.17 | erich | abrotman: often by just keylogging their teacher. and when the teacher then changes the root password... |
| 12:27.28 | abrotman | erich: why .. i never heard of such a thing |
| 12:27.29 | ChuffyCow | let me poke around a bit |
| 12:27.36 | abrotman | is erich the DD erich? |
| 12:27.42 | erich | abrotman: yes. |
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| 12:27.51 | cokeblood | abrotman: sorry i was away. my preferred desktop is gnome, and i installed that too, but startx does not work |
| 12:27.51 | abrotman | ok .. that's it .. too many DDs in here .. you're all out! :) |
| 12:27.53 | ma3x | abrotman, great |
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| 12:27.57 | ma3x | abrotman, msg me after |
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| 12:28.04 | abrotman | cokeblood: apt-get install gnome x-window-system |
| 12:28.04 | ma3x | i'll be awawy for a bit |
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| 12:28.08 | SimonRaven | hi folks |
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| 12:28.15 | asg | morning SimonRaven |
| 12:28.17 | cokeblood | ok i'll try |
| 12:28.24 | cokeblood | i have to reboot because i'm from fedora now |
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| 12:28.27 | cokeblood | thanks a lot |
| 12:28.36 | abrotman | cokeblood: they have console irc clients for debian |
| 12:28.38 | cokeblood | abrotman, another question: how do i create a pppoe connection? |
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| 12:29.07 | SimonRaven | 'morning asg |
| 12:29.09 | abrotman | !pppoe |
| 12:29.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, pppoe is ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
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| 12:29.22 | cokeblood | yeah but i don't know how to connect to the internet... i use linux from a month, on fedora there's a gui tool to do that, but i'm sure i have to configure that manually. and i have no idea on how to do that |
| 12:29.23 | abrotman | cokeblood: i've never had DSL .. that's all i know about it ... sorry |
| 12:29.28 | abrotman | and that is seriously out of date |
| 12:29.35 | cokeblood | thanks a lot anyway, abrotman |
| 12:29.36 | A-Z-I-Z | when i type "acpi" in command line shell, i get "No support for device type: battery" ... how do i get support for battery ? |
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| 12:29.40 | cokeblood | what's out of date? |
| 12:29.45 | asg | A-Z-I-Z: modprobe battery |
| 12:29.49 | z0unds- | Hey what should i use for storing files on ext2 or ext3 ? |
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| 12:29.56 | abrotman | cokeblood: that pppoe factoid from dpkg |
| 12:30.01 | asg | z0unds-: ? |
| 12:30.03 | cokeblood | oh dpkg, i wasn't reading, thanks a lot |
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| 12:30.09 | abrotman | asg: mv ... mv !!! |
| 12:30.10 | asg | cokeblood: dpkg is a bot |
| 12:30.11 | EmleyMoor | z0unds-: Erm... what do you mean by "storing files"? |
| 12:30.16 | cokeblood | lol |
| 12:30.16 | erich | abrotman: you know, we're trying to take over the channel... |
| 12:30.17 | z0unds- | okay never mind |
| 12:30.18 | asg | abrotman: or tar ... tar !!! |
| 12:30.20 | z0unds- | dont knwo how to explain |
| 12:30.32 | cokeblood | i didn't noticed that |
| 12:30.32 | Guerin | xine does play flac |
| 12:30.36 | cokeblood | lol i said thanks to a bot :D |
| 12:30.43 | abrotman | erich: it's ok .. but you guys will never make through .. ... SUNDAY! |
| 12:30.45 | A-Z-I-Z | asg: THANKS |
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| 12:30.58 | abrotman | asg: oh .. good one! |
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| 12:31.04 | EmleyMoor | I wish my phone could play ogg |
| 12:31.05 | erich | cokeblood: you configure pppoe, then you say "pon dsl-provider". usually even "pon" should do the trick. |
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| 12:31.33 | erich | cokeblood: there are gui tools, but I have no idea which one does setup pppoe. maybe gnome-ppp can. maybe it can't |
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| 12:31.41 | ChuffyCow | Ekaterin: what happens if you do ypinit -s bridge.whatever on the slaves? |
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| 12:31.58 | Sepho | hi all |
| 12:32.11 | ChuffyCow | Ekaterin: instead of pushing the maps out to the slave server, that should pull the info off the master, into a slave |
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| 12:32.29 | abrotman | Guerin: http://ff123.net/samples.html |
| 12:32.36 | Sepho | i need tounzip. rar archive, what program can do it? |
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| 12:32.49 | EmleyMoor | Sepho: unrar :-) |
| 12:32.55 | Ekaterin | ChuffyCow: That ypinit command seemed to work - hang on 1 minute so I can see whether pushing works now. |
| 12:32.56 | abrotman | Guerin: and yes .. they work fine :) |
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| 12:33.10 | cokeblood | thanks a lot erich |
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| 12:33.35 | ChuffyCow | Ekaterin: ypxfr is another way to do it slave side |
| 12:33.38 | erich | cokeblood: and then theres "pppoeconf", of course. |
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| 12:34.02 | Ekaterin | ChuffyCow: Hmm, the slaveside maps have definitely changed, but I'm still getting the same error on the master. |
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| 12:34.11 | Sepho | EmleyMoor: that package are not in apt |
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| 12:35.13 | t0ffel | Sepho: non-free I think |
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| 12:35.21 | EmleyMoor | Sepho: It's non-free |
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| 12:35.47 | ChuffyCow | Ekaterin: hmm. i'm not sure where to go from here |
| 12:36.09 | ChuffyCow | Ekaterin: for the short term, can you cron a job to just snag the maps off the master server? |
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| 12:36.50 | Ekaterin | ChuffyCow: I think Debian may do that anyway - it certainly provides the scripts. |
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| 12:37.43 | erich | ma3x: xine plays back flac here just fine. e.g. http://ff123.net/samples/kraftwerk1.flac |
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| 12:38.03 | ChuffyCow | Ekaterin: I'd say post to a mailing list, and see if anybody can help you there. Sorry I couldn't solve the problem. |
| 12:38.13 | abrotman | what ... you didn't get the smashing pumpkins sample ? |
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| 12:38.37 | clarissa | problem :) have kaffeine installed but DVB-T function doesnt exist what must i do? |
| 12:38.38 | Ekaterin | ChuffyCow: Not your fault, but surely this is a common problem? |
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| 12:38.59 | ChuffyCow | Ekaterin: it would seem so, but googling for it has revealed no immediate answers |
| 12:39.01 | abrotman | what is dvb-t? |
| 12:39.11 | erich | abrotman: terrestrical digital tv |
| 12:39.15 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:39.31 | erich | abrotman: in germany region by reagion is stopping analog broadcasts and switching to DVB-T. |
| 12:39.40 | abrotman | oh .. that would be why i don't know |
| 12:39.41 | clarissa | yes erich ^^ thats correct |
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| 12:39.46 | EmleyMoor | That will happen in England too |
| 12:39.58 | EmleyMoor | It has already started to happen in Wales |
| 12:40.05 | abrotman | i hope they kill my tv .. mythbusters is about the only good thing on tv :) |
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| 12:40.20 | clarissa | but my kaffeine tool hasn't dvb-t what must i do to plugin this or such? |
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| 12:40.40 | erich | abrotman: I don't have a tv signal anymore because of that. ;-) |
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| 12:40.48 | abrotman | clarissa: is it supposed to? .. Does xine support dvb-t ? |
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| 12:41.00 | abrotman | erich: more time for coding! yay |
| 12:41.02 | clarissa | abortman i dont know :| |
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| 12:41.36 | Jenetik | How do I get my Lexmark x75 USB printer/scanner and Kodak DC3400 digital cam working under debian? my iPod works, but whenever I plug in the other two devices, nothing shows up in /proc/usb/devices and I believe the drivers are installed and/or loaded as modules |
| 12:41.47 | clarissa | abortman : do you know what must i install for watching dvb-t ? |
| 12:41.47 | abrotman | clarissa: hmm .. could you ask #xine if it's supposed to support that? .. Kaffiene is a frontend to xine .. or possibly ask #debian-kde |
| 12:41.51 | lord_rob | hi ! how comes that if I delete a big file on a partition, df -h shows no more free space on this partition ? |
| 12:41.58 | abrotman | clarissa: i live in the states .. we have crappy tv |
| 12:42.02 | clarissa | okay ^^ |
| 12:42.08 | clarissa | abortman i believe you g |
| 12:42.17 | ChuffyCow | Ekaterin: nothing seems to be on any of the archived mailing lists |
| 12:42.24 | ChuffyCow | Ekaterin: i've gotta go, but good luck |
| 12:42.24 | Guerin | dvb-t is an mpeg-2 implementation |
| 12:42.29 | abrotman | oh it is? |
| 12:42.34 | Guerin | it's playable by practically everything |
| 12:42.36 | Guerin | yeah |
| 12:42.36 | clarissa | i am in the two channels now too abortman :) |
| 12:42.44 | Guerin | wikipedia should have something on it |
| 12:42.45 | abrotman | clarissa: whoa .. better slow down :) |
| 12:42.51 | Ekaterin | ChuffyCow: Fine - I'm only hanging around here in case apache proves equally difficult to sort out. |
| 12:42.52 | clarissa | why? ^^ |
| 12:43.02 | clarissa | if i slow down i never can see tv :) |
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| 12:43.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:43.16 | clarissa | fast and precisious it must be :) |
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| 12:43.50 | erich | clarissa: try xine. |
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| 12:44.11 | abrotman | kaffiene is a frontend to xine |
| 12:44.15 | erich | abrotman: kaffeine is a xine frontend I think. and xine is supposed to have dvb-t support sine 1-beta2 or so. |
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| 12:44.30 | abrotman | !info kaffiene sarge |
| 12:44.37 | abrotman | bah .. |
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| 12:44.51 | abrotman | !info kaffeine sarge |
| 12:44.54 | dpkg | kaffeine: (versatile media player for KDE 3), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.6-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1396 kB, Installed size: 3336 kB |
| 12:44.57 | clarissa | with a debian mod i had dvb-t at kaffeine ^^" |
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| 12:44.59 | erich | abrotman: yes, dvb-t uses mpeg2. unfortunately. I'd prefer mpeg4. And I've heard that the image quality of dvb-t isn't that good actually... |
| 12:45.03 | abrotman | oh .. good description |
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| 12:45.24 | abrotman | clarissa: so it works ? |
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| 12:45.39 | clarissa | um no abortman :| havent an answer |
| 12:45.41 | abrotman | maybe someday the states will get a decent tv signal |
| 12:45.43 | abrotman | oh |
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| 12:45.59 | clarissa | erich sure dvb-t is much clearer than normal analog :D |
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| 12:46.20 | clarissa | sharp like dvd not this washed films g |
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| 12:46.27 | Guerin | erich: mpeg-2 isn't bad, provided it's not heavily compressed. |
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| 12:47.00 | Guerin | which it isn't, being transmitted over redundant fibre |
| 12:47.00 | abrotman | do you need a tvtuner card for this? |
| 12:47.05 | clarissa | how can i use copy and paste in debian? btw. i use KSirc :) |
| 12:47.09 | erich | clarissa: I've heard it has bad sound with bright backgrounds somehow, and that night shots in movies show serious compression artifacts. So if you had a good analog reception before it's gotten worse, and if you hadn't you can't really use dvb-t either (or it's at least more expensive than dvb-s) |
| 12:47.11 | Guerin | if you want to watch it on your computer, yes. |
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| 12:47.23 | clarissa | abortman yes i need a new tv tuner card with dvb-t support ^^ |
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| 12:47.33 | erich | Guerin: they need to compress rather heavily, they already can fit in less channels than they would like afaik. |
| 12:47.36 | Guerin | abrotman: dvb and similar actually make recording to computer much easier, for the time being |
| 12:47.50 | erich | but maybe they can now increase the bandwidth, after having shut off the analog channels. |
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| 12:47.55 | Guerin | erich: this is not what I understand. |
| 12:47.57 | Trewas | at least in finland many channels use way too little bandwidth with dbv-t and the quality is consequently quite horrible |
| 12:48.00 | Guerin | right |
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| 12:48.00 | clarissa | erich that can happen yes but not in cities it mustnd be a big city smaller works fine too :) |
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| 12:48.07 | Guerin | Trewas: hrm, interesting |
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| 12:48.26 | erich | Guerin: this is what friends right in Munich reported, with different hardware. |
| 12:48.27 | Guerin | the peopl I know in australia and canada and elsewhere say it's fantastic |
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| 12:48.41 | clarissa | yes Guerin ^^ same here :) most time i mean ^^ |
| 12:48.43 | Guerin | i'm in korea, I have a different flavour called atsc or something |
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| 12:49.00 | clarissa | korea? o.o are you an korean man? |
| 12:49.05 | Guerin | clarissa: no |
| 12:49.19 | clarissa | hmm :/ |
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| 12:49.19 | Guerin | one need not be FROM a country to be IN a country |
| 12:49.24 | Trewas | one "pack" of channels (one multiplex) is about 20megabits/s with dvb, and they have 5-6 channels in that (and a few radio channels also), so there is not that much bandwidht per channel |
| 12:49.30 | clarissa | i know Guerin but i like koreans :p |
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| 12:49.49 | Guerin | clarissa: clearly you haven't lived in korea :) |
| 12:50.02 | clarissa | in germany you cant have radio with dvb-t actually but it will be start in a few months i think ^^ |
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| 12:50.11 | clarissa | why Guerin? :/ |
| 12:50.12 | Guerin | Trewas: codec choice is an issue, too. |
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| 12:50.13 | Jenetik | How do I get my Lexmark x75 USB printer/scanner and Kodak DC3400 digital cam working under debian? my iPod works, but whenever I plug in the other two devices, nothing shows up in /proc/usb/devices and I believe the drivers are installed and/or loaded as modules |
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| 12:50.50 | abrotman | !usbstorage |
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| 12:50.57 | Slart_ | Jenetik: have you checked linuxprinting.org? |
| 12:50.58 | abrotman | Jenetik: nothing in dmesg ? |
| 12:50.59 | erich | clarissa: anyway, friends have been reporting it kind of spoils night shots in movies. ;-) |
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| 12:51.10 | Trewas | Guerin: sure, but I think the dvb standard is actually quite old so mpeg4 wasn't really option then |
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| 12:51.17 | abrotman | what is the module .. usblp? |
| 12:51.21 | Guerin | Trewas: right. |
| 12:51.23 | erich | So we're probably going to satellite tv now, which likely is even cheaper than dvb-t for us. |
| 12:51.24 | abrotman | someday i'll own a printer |
| 12:51.27 | Bac0n | i have problem to exit kde back to console mode ... it goes back to login prompt |
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| 12:51.42 | Guerin | Bac0n: /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
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| 12:51.43 | abrotman | Bac0n: /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
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| 12:51.55 | Bac0n | it doesnt stop kdm |
| 12:52.08 | abrotman | Bac0n: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
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| 12:52.16 | Bac0n | yes kdm |
| 12:52.22 | abrotman | it should stop kdm |
| 12:52.29 | abrotman | did you compile your own kde ? |
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| 12:52.35 | Bac0n | no |
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| 12:52.40 | clarissa | i thought that the newest kaffeine play dvb-t ^^" |
| 12:52.43 | abrotman | what does it do when you do that ? |
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| 12:52.50 | Bac0n | nothing |
| 12:52.54 | clarissa | in a mod it was running but..this mod i hate because bad support |
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| 12:53.04 | Jenetik | Slart_: yes, linuxprinting.org has no documentation regarding how to get the usb chain to recognize the printer |
| 12:53.07 | abrotman | Bac0n: it shuld shut down KDE and KDM |
| 12:53.15 | Slart_ | Does anyone else have memory problems using samba (debian sarge, samba 3.0.14a)? smdb just keeps increasing it's memory usage until it's killed by the system with of "out of memory" error |
| 12:53.17 | clarissa | and in this mod not all was running what i could download for debian |
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| 12:53.23 | abrotman | Bac0n: can you hit ctrl-alt-f1 to get a console ? |
| 12:53.24 | Bac0n | x-windows too ? |
| 12:53.29 | Bac0n | yes |
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| 12:53.31 | Jenetik | abrotman: nothing in dmesg for the printer/scanner, if I plug in my IPOD, everything works under usb-storage |
| 12:53.34 | Guerin | Bac0n: be root |
| 12:53.39 | abrotman | Slart_: i use it .. no such issue |
| 12:53.39 | Bac0n | yes |
| 12:53.50 | Bac0n | i can kill it |
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| 12:54.00 | Jenetik | abrotman: it doesn't show up in /proc/bus/usb/devices |
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| 12:54.35 | abrotman | Bac0n: are you saying to don't want KDM to start when the system boots ? |
| 12:54.35 | Slart_ | abrotman, thanks |
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| 12:54.36 | abrotman | Jenetik: did you load the usb print module ? |
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| 12:54.36 | abrotman | Slart_: check the bts ? |
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| 12:54.50 | abrotman | not like you'd be the frist person to find a bug in samba :) |
| 12:54.54 | Jenetik | abrotman: how do I vefify its loaded? I thought it was even compiled into the kernel, how do I check? |
| 12:54.55 | clarissa | what is in debian the command ? in debian mod its htop it shows all running tasks and percent usage from cpu and ram and i can kill there programs too |
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| 12:55.05 | Slart_ | abrotman, bts? what is bts? |
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| 12:55.11 | abrotman | !bts |
| 12:55.11 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 12:55.31 | Slart_ | ah, nice =) |
| 12:55.36 | Bac0n | i want that but i need too go to concole mode ... (exit kde) |
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| 12:56.05 | clarissa | whats the running task manager in debian i must know it :x |
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| 12:56.27 | coolermania | photo's of debian developer's http://www.debconf.org/gallery/albums.php?&set_albumListPage=1 |
| 12:56.27 | Morti | How do I jibble lilo.conf to get a 16 colour VGA framebuffer console? |
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| 12:56.29 | clarissa | htop isnt a known command |
| 12:56.36 | Slart_ | clarissa, top will show you the processes , cpu etc... don't think you can kill processes using top though |
| 12:56.48 | Slart_ | clarissa, but there's always pkill and such for doing that |
| 12:56.49 | js_ | Slart_: you can |
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| 12:57.01 | abrotman | Jenetik: usblp is the kernel module for usb printers |
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| 12:57.29 | clarissa | hmm Slart_ i used at a mod from debian the tool htop and under all i could hit f9 to kill a program |
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| 12:58.04 | clarissa | btw i have a cute cat running in whity over my screen :) |
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| 12:58.11 | clarissa | white* |
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| 12:58.15 | Guerin | !find htop |
| 12:58.18 | dpkg | htop: (interactive processes viewer), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.5.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 12:58.20 | erich | Morti: it's in the kernel documentation, Documentation/fb.txt or so. |
| 12:58.20 | Slart_ | clarissa, mm, I checked the help in top and apparently you can use 'k' to kill a process |
| 12:58.22 | eyegore | how do I save the hwinfo |
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| 12:58.33 | eyegore | output |
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| 12:58.48 | azeem | eyegore: redirect it to a file |
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| 12:58.59 | maebmij | Slart_, cool, I never knew that. |
| 12:59.00 | azeem | either with > foo or 2> foo, if hwinfo writes to stderr |
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| 12:59.11 | clarissa | i install htop :) |
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| 12:59.16 | Jenetik | abrotman: how do I check to see if its loaded, I did a 'locate' and it shows in my modules as usblp.ko |
| 12:59.23 | abrotman | Jenetik: lsmod |
| 12:59.32 | clarissa | cool in htop i can kill all directly its a good tool ^^ |
| 12:59.37 | Morti | erich: I'm not seeing any reference to the standard 16 colour framebuffer. |
| 12:59.43 | Jenetik | it doesn't show there |
| 12:59.46 | Jenetik | how do I load it? |
| 12:59.50 | Jenetik | insmod? |
| 12:59.51 | abrotman | Jenetik: and even if it's seen .. it may not be able to be used for printing |
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| 12:59.55 | abrotman | Jenetik: modconf |
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| 13:00.05 | erich | Morti: no idea if there is a mere vga framebuffer driver. but try the vesa maybe? |
| 13:00.16 | Jenetik | vt-williston-cuda1h4-79:/home/jenetik# insmod /lib/modules/2.6.8/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko |
| 13:00.16 | Jenetik | vt-williston-cuda1h4-79:/home/jenetik# lsmod | grep usb |
| 13:00.16 | Jenetik | usblp 11720 - |
| 13:00.19 | Jenetik | :D |
| 13:00.20 | Morti | erich: Can't do VESA, the box doesn't support VESA 2. |
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| 13:00.32 | Jenetik | SWEEEET neess |
| 13:00.32 | Morti | Only manages VESA 1.2 |
| 13:00.37 | clarissa | lol Slart_ :) that was only because i had the idea or? :D i helped you happy ^-^ |
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| 13:01.12 | Slart_ | clarissa, yes, I didn't know htop even existed until now.. but it looks nice. Thanks |
| 13:01.14 | abrotman | Jenetik: you should really use modconf or modprobe |
| 13:01.31 | clarissa | please Slart_ hihi :x |
| 13:01.32 | erich | Morti: well, there is a 16 color vga framebuffer driver. no idea how to use it though |
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| 13:01.43 | Morti | erich: Yeah, that's the exact situation I'm in. |
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| 13:02.38 | abrotman | mm .. bots are annoying |
| 13:02.39 | abrotman | spambots |
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| 13:03.26 | Ekaterin | Are any NIS experts on at the moment? I had problems after upgrading my NIS master to sarge, but no-one was able to help. |
| 13:03.50 | erich | Morti: try video=vga16 |
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| 13:04.07 | Jenetik | usbcore: registered new driver usblp |
| 13:04.07 | Jenetik | drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver |
| 13:04.10 | Jenetik | :D |
| 13:04.15 | Guerin | i bet toresbe knows how to get a 16-bolour framebuffer |
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| 13:04.52 | abrotman | Guerin: that's because all his monitors only do 16 colors :) |
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| 13:06.08 | toresbe | helloes |
| 13:06.22 | Morti | erich: Where do I put that? Under the kernel image declaration bit? |
| 13:06.24 | Guerin | toresbe to teh rescues! |
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| 13:06.36 | Jenetik | abrotman: it won't print a test page, I have the device configured as the following |
| 13:06.39 | Jenetik | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.39 | Jenetik | "Unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0": No such device" |
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| 13:06.48 | abrotman | Jenetik: i don't own a printer |
| 13:06.48 | erich | Morti: look up "append" in man lilo.conf |
| 13:06.49 | Jenetik | whats it supposed to be? |
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| 13:07.03 | Jenetik | /dev/usb/lp0 |
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| 13:07.04 | Jenetik | ? |
| 13:07.05 | abrotman | Jenetik: does that device exist ? |
| 13:07.08 | eyegore | I got no info in the text file |
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| 13:07.13 | abrotman | Jenetik: ls -l /dev/usb/lp0 ? |
| 13:07.19 | Jenetik | does any device in unix dexis that says blah: |
| 13:07.21 | JohnnyST | Dose somone know srua? |
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| 13:07.24 | Morti | append, got it. |
| 13:07.30 | Jenetik | I did a mknod of lp0 earlier |
| 13:07.34 | clarissa | i make me a text file and there i write all down i have to do after debian install ^^ |
| 13:07.39 | eyegore | is there another crowbar to probe a monitor? |
| 13:07.42 | Jenetik | crw-r--r-- 1 root root 180, 0 2005-09-03 08:30 /dev/usb/lp0 |
| 13:07.43 | clarissa | but now i take some meal :) |
| 13:07.44 | toresbe | Guerin: who was having the problem? |
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| 13:07.47 | clarissa | afk |
| 13:07.47 | abrotman | Jenetik: oh .. what does dmesg say your printer is ? |
| 13:07.51 | Guerin | toresbe: moreti |
| 13:07.51 | abrotman | or lsusb .. |
| 13:07.57 | toresbe | Morti: hey |
| 13:08.03 | Jenetik | usbcore: registered new driver usblp |
| 13:08.03 | Jenetik | drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver |
| 13:08.08 | abrotman | that's it ? |
| 13:08.11 | Jenetik | yeah |
| 13:08.11 | toresbe | Morti: what was your problem? I have some woeful experience with that stuff |
| 13:08.14 | Guerin | toresbe: will vga16 work? |
| 13:08.16 | abrotman | Jenetik: and lsusb ? |
| 13:08.18 | toresbe | probably |
| 13:08.29 | Jenetik | I dont have lsub |
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| 13:08.46 | Jenetik | vt-williston-cuda1h4-79:/home/jenetik# lsusb |
| 13:08.46 | Jenetik | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
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| 13:08.56 | toresbe | but why'd one want to do that :P |
| 13:09.13 | detonator | what should i learn perl or python??? |
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| 13:09.26 | abrotman | depends what you want to do .. and what you know already |
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| 13:09.38 | Guerin | detonator: both |
| 13:09.40 | abrotman | or learn .. both! |
| 13:09.43 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:09.46 | detonator | what first? |
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| 13:09.51 | Guerin | detonator: bash |
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| 13:10.10 | bizkit | hi, I need a X11 forward via ssh. I set the forward X11 option to yes in both the ssh_config (client) and sshd_config (srv). then I've tried ssh -X host, but $DISPLAY is still empty. do I need anything else? xbase-clients is installed on the other machine, and I'm ssh'ing this machine from an open X display out of a xterm |
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| 13:10.29 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 13:10.29 | dpkg | hmm... sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 13:11.03 | Jenetik | abrotman: when I cycle the printer, nothing shows in dmesg |
| 13:11.07 | detonator | guerin what should i start to learning perl or python? |
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| 13:11.15 | Jenetik | could it be that this 15' cable is a piece of shit? |
| 13:11.16 | abrotman | detonator: just pick one |
| 13:11.22 | detonator | abrotman k |
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| 13:11.26 | detonator | abrotman ty |
| 13:11.28 | abrotman | Jenetik: lsusb shows the printer though ? |
| 13:11.31 | cokeblood | i'm going to reboot and see if i can connect with pppoe from debian and if i can run X ^^ see you later |
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| 13:11.40 | Jenetik | lsusb shows one line with 000s |
| 13:11.41 | Jenetik | no |
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| 13:11.49 | abrotman | Jenetik: afaik .. it should show up |
| 13:11.49 | Jenetik | it shows the usb hub |
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| 13:12.12 | abrotman | Duplicate product spec at line 2453 product 0846:4240 WG111 WiFi |
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| 13:12.16 | abrotman | wtf is that doing in my lsusb ? |
| 13:12.25 | bizkit | abrotman: that's exactly what i did |
| 13:12.28 | abrotman | oh .. it's a bug in the code |
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| 13:12.35 | abrotman | or in the usb-ids |
| 13:12.40 | toresbe | he replies not, I guess |
| 13:12.43 | Jenetik | whats what I'm saying man, how is the module loaded, I cycle the printer, obviously detects other USB devices, the driver is loaded for it |
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| 13:12.51 | Jenetik | and it wont show up |
| 13:12.55 | Jenetik | how do I troubleshoot that |
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| 13:13.02 | abrotman | bizkit: update-usbids |
| 13:13.03 | kanzure | I need the `unrar` program. I have it on one of my boxes, but not on the other. `apt-get install rar` (and unrar) do not work. Any suggestions? |
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| 13:13.15 | erich | Jenetik: yeah, try a different cable or such. |
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| 13:13.18 | asg | kanzure: /msg dpkg unrar |
| 13:13.20 | EmleyMoor | kanzure: it's non-free |
| 13:13.26 | setog3 | when I run sudo , it ask me the user password, is it a way for no asking password ? |
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| 13:13.33 | erich | kanzure: it's in non-free. do you have non-free enabled on both? |
| 13:13.35 | Guerin | setog3: no |
| 13:13.45 | asg | setog3: use the 'NOPASSWD' stanza (man 5 sudoers) |
| 13:13.46 | kanzure | erich: I don't know, how can I check? |
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| 13:13.50 | kanzure | asg: thanks |
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| 13:13.58 | Jenetik | trying a new cable is my last resort |
| 13:13.59 | abrotman | kanzure: check your sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 13:14.19 | Jenetik | I dont have cables laying around |
| 13:14.25 | Jenetik | mm, maybe I do |
| 13:14.26 | kanzure | abrotman: what exactly am I checking for? |
| 13:14.38 | abrotman | kanzure: a line with the non-free stuff ? |
| 13:14.47 | kanzure | abrotman: yeah, that's nonexistant. |
| 13:14.56 | abrotman | !non-free |
| 13:14.56 | dpkg | well, non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.htm |
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| 13:15.10 | abrotman | there was a #debian-nonfree ? |
| 13:15.15 | bizkit | abrotman: what? |
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| 13:15.20 | Guerin | abrotman: red herring |
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| 13:15.24 | asg | abrotman: still has 5 people / things in it |
| 13:15.26 | abrotman | blue! |
| 13:15.34 | abrotman | bizkit: update-usbids |
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| 13:15.42 | bizkit | abrotman: i have no problems with usb ids? |
| 13:15.43 | Jenetik | jenetik@vt-williston-cuda1h4-79:~$ apt-cache search rar | grep unrar |
| 13:15.43 | Jenetik | unrar - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version) |
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| 13:15.46 | abrotman | bizkit: about the dupliate line? |
| 13:15.50 | azeem | abrotman: it was about discussing how to get rid of non-free, AFAIK |
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| 13:16.59 | bizkit | abrotman: I was talking about the ssh -X problem, still the same. got no x11 forward and ssh -vvv doesn't show problems |
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| 13:17.10 | abrotman | bizkit: i'm so sorry .. i was very confused :) |
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| 13:17.34 | bizkit | :-D |
| 13:17.37 | abrotman | bizkit: can you set it manually? |
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| 13:18.00 | bizkit | abrotman: eg. :10.1 |
| 13:18.06 | kanzure | hm, I don't seem to be able to have the right line for my sources.list |
| 13:18.18 | abrotman | bizkit: yeah .. but can you set it manually? |
| 13:18.30 | kanzure | "deb http://.../ contrib non-free", correct ? |
| 13:18.31 | abrotman | kanzure: just append " non-free" to the line for your main archive .. and then apt-get update |
| 13:18.47 | kanzure | thanks. |
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| 13:19.07 | setog3 | asg, thx thx |
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| 13:19.34 | bizkit | abrotman: i think you can nearly always set the DISPLAY variable manually, but if this would help me? I tried export DISPLAY=:10.1 but it didn't work since ssh uses 10 as the display offset |
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| 13:19.54 | badm4n | hello how can i add russian language so i can see menues in russian? |
| 13:19.57 | asg | setog3: you're welcome |
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| 13:20.27 | erich | badm4n: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:20.30 | anibal | kanzure: 'deb-src http://mirror.optus.net/debian/ unstable main' |
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| 13:20.46 | badm4n | ok |
| 13:20.51 | abrotman | anibal: that's not going to help kanzure |
| 13:20.55 | kanzure | anibal: I think I have it. =] |
| 13:21.02 | erich | rebooting my router to remove a broken HD. c'ya later. |
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| 13:21.10 | asg | erich: have a good day |
| 13:21.11 | kanzure | which do I want? unrar or unrar-free ?? |
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| 13:21.15 | abrotman | kanzure: paste your sources in a pastebin |
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| 13:21.25 | kanzure | abrotman: it works now. |
| 13:21.35 | erich | bizkit: ssh will setup the DISPLAY variable for you if you enable x11 forwarding |
| 13:21.49 | abrotman | pshaw .. your router isn't hotplug? |
| 13:21.50 | asg | abrotman: did you ensure he has xauth on the server? |
| 13:21.50 | abrotman | :) |
| 13:22.02 | abrotman | asg: i didn't .. don't blame me! |
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| 13:22.19 | asg | !beer abrotman |
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| 13:22.31 | abrotman | !coffee asg |
| 13:22.51 | bizkit | erich: yes it should. X11Forwarding is set to yes in sshd_config, /etc/init.d/ssh restarted, connected after the restart via ssh -X host.. no $DISPLAY available :/ |
| 13:22.53 | asg | I prefer Kenyan but that'll do in a pinch |
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| 13:23.08 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 13:23.18 | bizkit | erich: xbase-clients is installed, xauth available |
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| 13:24.08 | SimonRaven | /nick eat_brains |
| 13:24.11 | Guerin | a broth of coffee? |
| 13:24.19 | bizkit | erich, abrotman: is it possible that this won't work over a NAT gateway? |
| 13:24.24 | asg | Guerin: mistranslation of cappuchino? |
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| 13:24.38 | Guerin | asg: misspeling of cappucino |
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| 13:24.48 | clarissa | okay now i install my games i had :) |
| 13:24.55 | Guerin | bizkit: should work fine over nat |
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| 13:25.02 | abrotman | bizkit: i'm sure it does |
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| 13:25.16 | asg | Guerin: which goes to show that I haven't had enough yet |
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| 13:26.07 | bizkit | sorry. got it: Remote: X11 forwarding disabled; not compatible with UseLogin=yes. |
| 13:26.15 | asg | !win bizkit |
| 13:26.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, bizkit! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
| 13:26.21 | asg | eeep |
| 13:26.30 | SimonRaven | *ding* |
| 13:26.34 | jan____ | *dong* |
| 13:26.35 | bizkit | ;-) |
| 13:26.39 | EmleyMoor | Cleveland, OH, or the English "county"? |
| 13:26.43 | asg | the witch is dead |
| 13:26.47 | Guerin | :tea asg |
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| 13:26.53 | Guerin | !tea asg |
| 13:26.53 | asg | EmleyMoor: OH I expect |
| 13:26.57 | SimonRaven | @ff Guerin |
| 13:26.58 | ravenbird | Guerin: fartfish |
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| 13:27.07 | Guerin | mmm, fartfish |
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| 13:27.13 | Guerin | my favourite |
| 13:27.15 | badm4n | erich, ive added ru locate, noy i can type in ru, but songs in xmms are still like "??????" |
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| 13:27.39 | Guerin | badm4n: choose a russian-capable font in xmms config |
| 13:27.41 | SimonRaven | badm4n: gtk1 didn't have utf-8 support IIRC |
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| 13:27.44 | asg | hehe ( To misc@openbsd (0.7K) [0dS] vulnerability in theo's asshole ) |
| 13:27.56 | Guerin | asg: hah |
| 13:27.56 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 13:28.16 | SimonRaven | what, not wide enough? |
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| 13:28.27 | Guerin | SimonRaven: xmms has a special hack built in to enable it |
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| 13:28.29 | clarissa | how to start a .run file? ^^ |
| 13:28.29 | asg | SimonRaven: to wide according to the mail with plenty of leakage. |
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| 13:28.33 | SimonRaven | aah ok |
| 13:28.38 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 13:28.41 | asg | clarissa: file <file> (what does it say) |
| 13:28.53 | asg | s/^to/too/ |
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| 13:29.08 | abrotman | asg: and in the base install too |
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| 13:29.23 | clarissa | it says bourne shell script text executable |
| 13:29.32 | asg | clarissa: then 'sh <file>' |
| 13:29.41 | clarissa | okay thx asg ^^ |
| 13:29.42 | asg | abrotman: of course. |
| 13:29.46 | asg | clarissa: you're welcome |
| 13:29.50 | clarissa | :) |
| 13:30.04 | Guerin | abrotman: the baise install? |
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| 13:30.15 | asg | Guerin: beige? |
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| 13:30.43 | asg | Guerin: or maybe ecru |
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| 13:30.47 | Quibus | hi folks, does anyone have a good idea on what open source driver I can use with a Radeon 9700Pro that supports direct rendering? |
| 13:30.55 | rebecca | hi peoples, i want to install deb on a old compaq lappy. do you know if a xircom 10/100 ethernet + 56kmodem card is supported by the netinstall? i only need to use the ethernet features of it |
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| 13:31.06 | Guerin | asg: heh |
| 13:31.07 | abrotman | Quibus: none afaik .. you must use fglrx |
| 13:31.09 | asg | rebecca: it should be |
| 13:31.20 | Quibus | abauer: I heard the r200 driver might work |
| 13:31.20 | amphi | Quibus: FWIW, the xorg radeon driver supports dri on my mobility 7500 |
| 13:31.26 | m2 | Quibus: the only open source ones are the ones from dri.sf.net, and that doesn't support that card |
| 13:31.27 | asg | rebecca: is that a cardbus pcmcia card? |
| 13:31.30 | eyegore | ok, this is not working |
| 13:31.35 | raden | rebecca, there shouldn't be a issue |
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| 13:31.44 | m2 | Quibus: fully, I mean. I might work for basic stuff... |
| 13:31.48 | rebecca | asg: how do i tell about the cardbus thing? |
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| 13:31.52 | surfdue | hi |
| 13:31.52 | Quibus | amphi: I know, I had a 7200 which worked fine with the DRI projects 'ati' driver |
| 13:31.54 | abrotman | Quibus: you can ask #ati .. but i'm really pretty sure only the ATI ones work correcly |
| 13:31.58 | takatumi | Quibus: give xorg a shot, if not try fglrx |
| 13:31.59 | asg | rebecca: is it the size of two pcmcia cards (type II) |
| 13:32.04 | surfdue | where can i find info on the boot flavors |
| 13:32.09 | rebecca | it takes up both slots :) |
| 13:32.10 | eyegore | X does not want to play nice with a monochrome monitor |
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| 13:32.15 | Quibus | takatumi: I'm in testing, so I'll wait for xorg to be in testing to try it |
| 13:32.20 | abrotman | surfdue: boot flavors fo what? |
| 13:32.27 | asg | rebecca: then it's likely the cardbus xircom and should work. I used to use those on Dell CPis |
| 13:32.34 | abrotman | eyegore: with your what? |
| 13:32.36 | Quibus | abauer: I headr they are quite unstable and crash and stuff :( |
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| 13:32.43 | abrotman | Quibus: abrotman .. not abauer |
| 13:32.43 | takatumi | surfdue: debian versions, sid, etch, sarge. |
| 13:32.44 | rebecca | asg: cool, ill give it a try |
| 13:32.54 | asg | rebecca: :) |
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| 13:32.56 | abrotman | Quibus: not sure .. i don't use them |
| 13:32.59 | Quibus | abrotman: oops, sorry :) |
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| 13:33.07 | Quibus | abrotman: what do you use then? |
| 13:33.09 | eyegore | I have a boundless monochrome monitor that is not playing nice |
| 13:33.11 | abrotman | Quibus: intel |
| 13:33.15 | Quibus | ah |
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| 13:33.29 | abrotman | Quibus: but i'm really pretty sure for full support you need the closed ATI drivers |
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| 13:33.36 | surfdue | like vanella |
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| 13:33.37 | surfdue | and stuff |
| 13:33.47 | abrotman | surfdue: for the installer ? |
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| 13:33.54 | takatumi | surfdue: chocolate! |
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| 13:34.00 | surfdue | oh the netinst allows you to install everything the normal install has off http or ftp right? |
| 13:34.05 | asg | surfdue: yes |
| 13:34.06 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:34.10 | badm4n | SimonRaven, is there a way to fix it somehow? |
| 13:34.14 | surfdue | k thanks |
| 13:34.19 | m2 | surfdue: right |
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| 13:34.28 | nksen | which key do I have to hit to get the lilo boot prompot if it's disabled by default? |
| 13:34.29 | SimonRaven | badm4n: ignore what i said |
| 13:34.32 | abrotman | surfdue: but you're using the sarge installer .. right ? |
| 13:34.36 | asg | nksen: left shift usually |
| 13:34.37 | Quibus | OK thanks for your reactions, folks |
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| 13:34.49 | surfdue | im not sure |
| 13:34.51 | surfdue | is sarge stable? |
| 13:34.55 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:34.57 | asg | nksen: you may have to hold it down going through post in some cases. |
| 13:35.04 | abrotman | !d-i surfdue |
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| 13:35.04 | surfdue | im just download the latest stable netinst from the debian website |
| 13:35.04 | nksen | asg: works great, thx |
| 13:35.05 | dpkg | surfdue, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 13:35.14 | asg | nksen: you're welcome |
| 13:35.27 | emRick | is there a Debian package that contains gsview? |
| 13:35.27 | surfdue | I really love debian, but i have been using ubuntu, will debian actually work with my sound stuff like X-Lite and stuff? |
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| 13:35.59 | eyegore | I can't seem to get the refresh rate right |
| 13:36.00 | clarissa | what i have if i choose in the installer screen startmenu entries (kde/gnome/cde) ? what happen then? |
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| 13:36.18 | SimonRaven | cde is in there? wth |
| 13:36.20 | surfdue | k its hte same |
| 13:36.34 | clarissa | do i need this entry? |
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| 13:36.53 | SimonRaven | clarissa: it's to install a desktop environment or 3 |
| 13:36.53 | m2 | emRick: you mean exactly gsview or something like it? |
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| 13:36.58 | m2 | emRick: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 13:37.03 | clarissa | cool ^^ |
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| 13:37.08 | surfdue | whats the defualt webbrowser and email for debian |
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| 13:37.11 | clarissa | thanks SimonRaven :) |
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| 13:37.14 | surfdue | hopefully firefox and thunderbird :P |
| 13:37.17 | surfdue | it should be atleast |
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| 13:37.39 | SimonRaven | surfdue: isn't any. you confiugre it via update-alternatives, and what's installed on the system |
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| 13:37.45 | SimonRaven | clarissa: np |
| 13:37.51 | surfdue | oh... |
| 13:37.57 | surfdue | there isnt a defualt lol |
| 13:38.02 | surfdue | so my system will start with nothing |
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| 13:38.04 | SimonRaven | the system will use whatever is there |
| 13:38.05 | surfdue | :) |
| 13:38.09 | surfdue | k |
| 13:38.16 | surfdue | well ill just download it after |
| 13:38.19 | m2 | what's with the sexbots? everytime I say something in *this* channel, a sexbot pops up... |
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| 13:38.29 | SimonRaven | m2: /topic |
| 13:38.36 | surfdue | hey to put this debian image on a cd its cdrecord debian.iso ? |
| 13:38.36 | SimonRaven | !mode e |
| 13:38.37 | dpkg | +E (not +e!) makes it such that only nickserv identified users can /msg you, or http://www.freenode.net/faq.shtml#spambots or http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 13:38.43 | m2 | duh... |
| 13:38.45 | emRick | m2: either exactly or something like ... btw, I already did "apt-cache search gsview" and I searched at http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents ... came back empty in both cases |
| 13:38.45 | m2 | SimonRaven: tnx |
| 13:38.56 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 13:39.03 | m2 | emRick: "something like it" == ggv |
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| 13:39.17 | m2 | emRick: or gv |
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| 13:39.25 | clarissa | i have a big problem :( |
| 13:39.30 | EmleyMoor | surfdue: man cdrecord - but basically, yes, the track is the .iso |
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| 13:40.04 | surfdue | k |
| 13:40.05 | clarissa | You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)! <--- when i want to start the game but i need hardware OpenGL |
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| 13:40.18 | surfdue | cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom iso |
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| 13:40.21 | surfdue | hopefully that works |
| 13:40.29 | emRick | m2: ah, gv is exactly what I wanted ... tnx |
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| 13:41.01 | raden | would a 2.53 Ghz intel EMT 64 cele D be much fater than my 2.4 Cele D ? |
| 13:41.03 | clarissa | how to enable openGL hardware acceleration? the driver is installed and have nvidia card |
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| 13:41.33 | abrotman | raden: probably .. it is faster |
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| 13:42.06 | raden | well i was just wondering if i would have a great advantage running 64 bit vs 32 bit mainly |
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| 13:42.43 | abrotman | raden: possibly .. depends on your needs |
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| 13:42.56 | Quibus | It seems the folks on #ati say that there are open source 3D accel. drivers for 9700Pro in the latest X.org (not even in sid yet) |
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| 13:43.05 | clarissa | abrotman do you know how to enable hardware acceleration for OpenGL ? |
| 13:43.06 | Guerin | chances are you don't nees as fast a computer as you have, let alone a faster one |
| 13:43.11 | raden | mainly server apts, apache, mysql, php, and light desktop work at moment |
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| 13:43.34 | abrotman | clarissa: with nvidia .. use the nvidia drivers |
| 13:43.34 | megabit | HI. |
| 13:43.42 | clarissa | how abortman? :/ |
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| 13:43.52 | abrotman | why is abortman so common? :) |
| 13:43.53 | clarissa | download from nvidia.com ? |
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| 13:43.59 | abrotman | clarissa: which card is it ? |
| 13:44.09 | emRick | how can I count the # of Debian packages available? or is the information listed somewhere? |
| 13:44.12 | clarissa | Nvidia GeForce5700 128mb ddr |
| 13:44.24 | abrotman | emRick: which version fo debian? |
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| 13:44.33 | abrotman | !nvidia one liner |
| 13:44.33 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 13:44.43 | clarissa | abrotman that i have done :( |
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| 13:45.01 | clarissa | nvidia one liner i had write into terminal |
| 13:45.03 | abrotman | clarissa: that's all i know .. i don't use (nor will i ever) nvidia |
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| 13:45.06 | Quibus | !ati one liner |
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| 13:45.13 | abrotman | !ati debs |
| 13:45.14 | dpkg | [ati debs] http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 13:45.22 | clarissa | i try the original nvidia drivers |
| 13:45.30 | emRick | abrotman: for testing version |
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| 13:45.43 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
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| 13:45.48 | Une-ga-dihi | http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2005/05/04/#smtm_charts_fix |
| 13:45.53 | EmleyMoor | All my "base build" quotes include a Matrox card |
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| 13:46.00 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 15740 packages, 1512 maintainers, 29089 MB installed size, 9269 MB compressed size. |
| 13:46.01 | takatumi | planning to buy a printer, would a random HP deskjet work without hitches or should I be reading up? |
| 13:46.06 | abrotman | emRick: ^^ |
| 13:46.15 | emRick | abrotman: tnx |
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| 13:47.16 | clarissa | do i have Linux IA32 ? |
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| 13:47.38 | EmleyMoor | clarissa: What CPU do you have? |
| 13:47.46 | clarissa | amd athlon xp 3000+ |
| 13:47.51 | EmleyMoor | Yes |
| 13:47.57 | clarissa | okay ^^ thanks :) |
| 13:48.03 | abrotman | unless they have a k7 binary download |
| 13:48.04 | takatumi | that ain't IA32 |
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| 13:48.12 | clarissa | its not? |
| 13:48.17 | abrotman | takatumi: it's in that "family" in the most generic terms |
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| 13:48.22 | EmleyMoor | If it's not, what is it? |
| 13:48.29 | megabit | Can you help me with my snd card? When I turn on my computer and I run XMMS it isnt play. It write: Please check that Your soundcard is configured properly You have the correct output plugin selected No other program is blocking the soundcard When I wait some time (about 1minute) it play. |
| 13:48.31 | abrotman | it's technically k7 |
| 13:48.33 | takatumi | !ia32 |
| 13:48.33 | dpkg | i heard ia32 is a synonym for i386 (x86). In other words, if you don't know, this is what you have. |
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| 13:49.05 | clarissa | i can choose nvidia driver download for "Linux IA32" "LinuxAMD64/EM64T" and "Linux IA64" then "FreeBSD" but i have debian |
| 13:49.09 | EmleyMoor | The ia32 architecture is the one you install on a K7 |
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| 13:49.13 | Guerin | clarissa: no... |
| 13:49.14 | abrotman | clarissa: ia32 |
| 13:49.17 | EmleyMoor | clarissa: ia32 |
| 13:49.17 | Guerin | !nvidia one-liner |
| 13:49.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 13:49.22 | clarissa | okay |
| 13:49.24 | abrotman | Guerin: she did that |
| 13:49.29 | Guerin | wtf |
| 13:49.30 | clarissa | Guerin x.x i sayd i have done that xD |
| 13:49.31 | abrotman | Guerin: or so she says |
| 13:49.32 | Quibus | thanks and cu later |
| 13:49.32 | Guerin | then it works |
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| 13:49.39 | raden | lmao |
| 13:49.45 | Guerin | if it doesn't work, you fucked it up... do it again |
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| 13:49.49 | clarissa | i haven't Hardware OpenGL acceleration @ Guerin |
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| 13:49.53 | Guerin | i know it works because I did it a few days ago |
| 13:50.00 | raden | is there a dual head card that works good with linux ? |
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| 13:50.07 | Guerin | clarissa: then you need to find out what you fucked up and do it properly this time |
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| 13:50.30 | clarissa | i havent make any failures typed this text correct inside the terminal as su |
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| 13:50.40 | Guerin | in my case, i had to manually edit my xfree config and change 'nv' to 'nvidia' |
| 13:50.50 | Guerin | and I had to run the one-liner a couple times until it ran clean |
| 13:50.56 | Guerin | do those things |
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| 13:51.07 | clarissa | i cant install the original nvidia linux drivers? |
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| 13:51.24 | clarissa | there are some on nvidia.com |
| 13:51.34 | Guerin | no |
| 13:51.39 | Guerin | don't use them |
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| 13:51.50 | Guerin | the nvidia one-liner REALLY DOES WORK |
| 13:51.50 | clarissa | why? only a question because dont know |
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| 13:51.59 | megabit | Help please :(( |
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| 13:52.08 | clarissa | hmmm |
| 13:52.14 | Guerin | clarissa: the debian way keeps things organised such that they won't break shit horribly when you next upgrade |
| 13:52.17 | abrotman | raden: matrox cards used to |
| 13:52.25 | raden | abrotman, thanks |
| 13:52.30 | Guerin | !tell megabit about ask |
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| 13:52.34 | EmleyMoor | !tell megabit about ask |
| 13:52.39 | abrotman | raden: but there are others now |
| 13:52.41 | abrotman | he did ask |
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| 13:52.47 | abrotman | his xmms is blocked by something |
| 13:52.49 | raden | ihave suse right now and im thinking of going back to debian but last time i tried i had a heck of a time with my last dual head card |
| 13:52.50 | clarissa | okay then second time the one liner |
| 13:52.53 | abrotman | esd? arrs? |
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| 13:52.58 | clarissa | how to change this nv to nvidia ? |
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| 13:53.04 | abrotman | raden: what was your last one ? |
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| 13:53.16 | Guerin | clarissa: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 13:53.19 | emRick | when I "/msg dpkg dstats sid", I get 17235 packages ... but when I "/msg dpkg dstats experimental", I get 635 packages ... aren't these the same packages? |
| 13:53.21 | raden | ATI something I sold it a few months back waiting till i change OS's |
| 13:53.24 | megabit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:53.29 | abrotman | emRick: no |
| 13:53.30 | asg | emRick: no |
| 13:53.34 | Guerin | emRick: absolutely not |
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| 13:53.40 | abrotman | raden: yeah .. but you want to play games? |
| 13:53.44 | raden | Im going to get a new one I just hate having to do the whole hardware battle :) |
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| 13:53.51 | flawd | I get email about a file edited with vi that I can recover but I have deleted the swp file manually for the file, How can I stop getting emails about this? |
| 13:54.02 | raden | I like duial head cause of all the webpages I make and database works and what not |
| 13:54.12 | abrotman | raden: but not gaming ? |
| 13:54.14 | raden | is there a way to just dump 2 vid cards actually ? |
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| 13:54.16 | kyncani | megabit: do you have discover installed ? |
| 13:54.18 | raden | no gaming at moment |
| 13:54.21 | sleon|squid | hi |
| 13:54.23 | raden | might down the road :) |
| 13:54.26 | Guerin | raden: get two cheap cards |
| 13:54.32 | Guerin | raden: two tnt2s or sommething |
| 13:54.33 | Bac0n | I solved my problem ..... kdm want start after kill...... GPMPID=`pidof gpm` exits script if there is no gpm started ..... did GPMPID=`pgrep gpm` |
| 13:54.36 | abrotman | raden: i'm asking because matrox is not good for gaming .. well .. it's ok . but not great |
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| 13:54.41 | sleon|squid | what is the nfs tool which will show me which clients use which share at the moment? |
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| 13:54.42 | kyncani | megabit: oops, sorry, did not read the last line |
| 13:54.47 | raden | abrotman, understood |
| 13:54.53 | abrotman | raden: and yes .. you can use two cards .. of course .. you'd need one pci card |
| 13:55.01 | raden | better than my integrated SIS card on my Gigabyte 533RZ board :P |
| 13:55.01 | Guerin | megabit: using kde or gnome? |
| 13:55.11 | abrotman | unless your machine has two agp slots |
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| 13:55.16 | Guerin | raden: well, you can use that and one other |
| 13:55.16 | megabit | Guerin, KDE. |
| 13:55.18 | raden | can i run dual PCI cards ? |
| 13:55.24 | abrotman | raden: yep |
| 13:55.27 | raden | Guerin, really ? |
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| 13:55.33 | Guerin | megabit: go into kcontrol and disable the sound system |
| 13:55.33 | raden | sweet :) |
| 13:55.37 | abrotman | raden: if your motherboard supports it .. yes |
| 13:55.42 | raden | soo i could actually get this done cheap |
| 13:55.44 | Guerin | yeah, usually |
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| 13:55.47 | raden | if it dont ill buy a new board |
| 13:55.50 | Guerin | f'sure |
| 13:55.50 | abrotman | raden: your motherboard might not support using the onbboard and the AGP at the same time |
| 13:55.50 | clarissa | Guerin there's a red marked with ! at first "!.#XF86Config-4" and then "QX" under this and then next "XF86Config-4" what does the first mean? error? |
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| 13:55.58 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 13:56.04 | todu | Is there a way to run multiple instances of DC++ under Wine? It works for one instance, but not for two. |
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| 13:56.11 | raden | abrotman, thanks for the FYI, ill jsut order 2 PCI cards |
| 13:56.22 | Guerin | clarissa: what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:56.26 | abrotman | raden: you mean .. you can still buy those? |
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| 13:56.30 | megabit | Guerin, Why? |
| 13:56.36 | clarissa | um the network installer the newest i think |
| 13:56.39 | Guerin | raden: just go into your local computer shop and take some old cards off they hands |
| 13:56.40 | raden | abrotman, ill find one |
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| 13:56.48 | Guerin | megabit: because it'll fix your problem. |
| 13:56.57 | Guerin | at least in theory |
| 13:56.57 | abrotman | raden: you might have a better chance going to a computer show somewhere and picking up two old pci cards |
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| 13:57.01 | raden | otherwise ihave a 64 bit proc laying around i just need a board ill order somewithing with 2 PCI express slots :) |
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| 13:57.17 | clarissa | Guerin: what does this red marked !.#XF86Config-4 means? |
| 13:57.19 | abrotman | raden: based on your hostmask .. you're about 10 miles from my grandmother's hosue :) |
| 13:57.23 | emRick | ah, if I unstand correctly, there are four branches: stable, unstable, testing, experimental ... I had thought there were only three branches |
| 13:57.23 | Guerin | todu: god, why would you run even ONE instance? |
| 13:57.26 | raden | actually i can get 2 ATI PCI cards for 50 :) only 32 MB each but ehh :) |
| 13:57.36 | Guerin | clarissa: i have absolutely no fucking idea what you're on about |
| 13:57.37 | raden | abrotman, yeah im in waupaca |
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| 13:57.40 | raden | where are you man ? |
| 13:57.42 | megabit | Guerin, I try it. |
| 13:57.55 | Guerin | erich: there are only three - experimental is not a full branch |
| 13:57.56 | abrotman | raden: that's what i'm saying .. if you go to a computer show .. you could probably get two junky 4MB pci cards for like 10$ total |
| 13:58.04 | todu | Guerin, because DC++ is the best DC client software i've seen so far. |
| 13:58.06 | abrotman | raden: her house is in Wisconsin Rapids |
| 13:58.12 | raden | abrotman, price isnt too much of a concern :) |
| 13:58.13 | Guerin | todu: you poor bastard |
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| 13:58.19 | abrotman | raden: ah ok then .. carry on :) |
| 13:58.32 | raden | abrotman, thanks for trying to save me a buck :) |
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| 13:58.47 | abrotman | raden: well .. with PCI cards .. there are many in junk piles :) |
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| 13:58.56 | raden | whats the big deal with gentoo these days anyway, I've been outta the scene since JAn or so ? |
| 13:59.06 | emRick | Guerin: are there other partial branches like experimental? |
| 13:59.12 | Guerin | raden: afaik there's no big deal with gentoo |
| 13:59.12 | abrotman | raden: they think it's better :) |
| 13:59.28 | Guerin | emRick: not officially, unless you count security.d.o |
| 13:59.30 | abrotman | emRick: it's not really a partial branch |
| 13:59.38 | raden | lol |
| 13:59.44 | clarissa | i have changed the nv to nvidia @ Guerin is that right? |
| 13:59.44 | Guerin | abrotman: what's not partial about it? |
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| 13:59.49 | Guerin | clarissa: yeah |
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| 13:59.50 | clarissa | at type |
| 13:59.51 | raden | I mean besides portage whats soo great its apain in the ass to install |
| 13:59.53 | clarissa | okay ^^ |
| 13:59.57 | yxa | why isnt the latest samba even in unstable? |
| 13:59.58 | clarissa | now restart? |
| 14:00.04 | raden | took my buddy 2 hours to install and he had nothing but issues |
| 14:00.07 | EmleyMoor | I think it's more "not branch" TBH |
| 14:00.08 | Guerin | !latest |
| 14:00.09 | dpkg | it has been said that latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 14:00.11 | vladster | I have a wee question |
| 14:00.27 | Guerin | vladster: you want #watercloset |
| 14:00.29 | funkyHat | i'm installing debian on a box i'm going to use as a server, it's a PIII 500mHz, i've been given several options for a kernel, which should i choose? |
| 14:00.31 | abrotman | Guerin: partial how? .. certain select packages yes .. but by itself .. not useful |
| 14:00.32 | emRick | abrotman: what is experimental called ... is there some more inclusive term than "branch"? |
| 14:00.39 | Guerin | abrotman: hence "partial" |
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| 14:00.49 | vladster | how do I adjust the display width in the configuration file |
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| 14:00.52 | Guerin | emRick: experimental doesn't exist |
| 14:00.53 | abrotman | emRick: yes .. i call it "A damn good way to fuck your machine" |
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| 14:00.58 | Guerin | emRick: purge it from your thoughts |
| 14:01.03 | yxa | Guerin 3.0.20 |
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| 14:01.21 | asg | yxa: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=324515 |
| 14:01.23 | Guerin | yxa: no clue; I don't have any windows boxen to interact with (thank the gods) |
| 14:01.24 | abrotman | emRick: honestly .. stay away from experimetnal .. the packages can seriously mess up your box |
| 14:01.34 | vladster | I need to fill out the screen but there are no adjustments |
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| 14:01.45 | abrotman | funkyHat: -686 |
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| 14:01.54 | kyncani | vladster: you mean your screen size ? |
| 14:01.57 | raden | anyone have a asus TV tuner working in debian ? |
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| 14:02.08 | funkyHat | abrotman, should i use the 2.4 kernel or the 2.6? or doesn't it really matter? |
| 14:02.16 | abrotman | funkyHat: it's up to you honestly |
| 14:02.19 | vladster | yep |
| 14:02.19 | Guerin | emRick: experimental doesn't mean "Cool new packages for me to experiment with", it means "I wonder how badly these packages will break shit ... I need some computers to test them on." |
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| 14:02.22 | abrotman | funkyHat: how much RAM do you have ? |
| 14:02.29 | funkyHat | 192MB |
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| 14:02.37 | abrotman | funkyHat: either should be fine for a server |
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| 14:02.51 | yxa | asg heh someone got lazy? |
| 14:02.52 | megabit | Guerin, Thanks now it is doing all right (: |
| 14:02.53 | EmleyMoor | funkyHat: Little to choose - if you need features that only work in one or other, choose that |
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| 14:02.59 | funkyHat | ok, thanks :) |
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| 14:03.10 | Guerin | megabit: awesome |
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| 14:03.25 | emRick | Guerin/abrotman: ok, tnx for the warnings. I was confused about experiment ... now I'm just curious about the different branches. |
| 14:03.29 | asg | yxa: no, the maintainer must evaluate the new release and then package it. The maintainer might also be busy; this is a volunteer effort after all. |
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| 14:03.39 | vladster | I have the depth set right |
| 14:03.42 | Guerin | it might also be horribly broken |
| 14:03.45 | abrotman | emRick: if you're new to debian .. stick with sarge/stable ... |
| 14:03.47 | Guerin | like php5, for instance |
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| 14:03.51 | aeronadix | where are java documentation on debian systems located? |
| 14:03.55 | yxa | asg ahh.. ok |
| 14:03.58 | abrotman | Guerin: php5 made it into sid |
| 14:04.02 | Guerin | aeronadix: debian systems don't have java |
| 14:04.03 | asg | yxa: besides, it's sid. There are no guarantees of availablility or workability. |
| 14:04.16 | aeronadix | Guerin, gcj? |
| 14:04.17 | vladster | now are there settings I ca tweak to get it to fill the screen |
| 14:04.17 | Guerin | aeronadix: how long after release? a year? |
| 14:04.19 | abrotman | !tell aeronadix about install java |
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| 14:04.39 | Guerin | aeronadix: /usr/share/doc/gjc/ |
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| 14:04.44 | abrotman | or kaffe |
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| 14:04.47 | abrotman | or uhm .. sable |
| 14:04.52 | Guerin | aeronadix: thanks; i should say don't have SUN java |
| 14:04.54 | aeronadix | I'm not into java, but I have to for school, otherwise screw java in every hole |
| 14:04.57 | abrotman | but those are VMs .. not compilers afaik |
| 14:05.05 | aeronadix | Guerin, thx |
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| 14:05.08 | abrotman | aeronadix: do what dpkg told you |
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| 14:05.43 | aeronadix | abrotman, I don't wanna read about the licensing |
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| 14:05.50 | abrotman | aeronadix: it's not about licensing |
| 14:06.00 | abrotman | aeronadix: he's telling you to use java-package |
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| 14:06.07 | aeronadix | !java-package |
| 14:06.08 | dpkg | i heard java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
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| 14:06.30 | aeronadix | abrotman, I have java installed, gcj |
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| 14:06.51 | asg | aeronadix: then look in /usr/share/doc/gcj |
| 14:06.56 | aeronadix | thx guys |
| 14:07.01 | abrotman | aeronadix: you need to see which java spec gcj implements .. your prof might require a certain versoin .. like i think kaffe(a VM) goes for java1.1 |
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| 14:07.36 | ThePiratemaster | does anyone here have the scanner 240th direct (or easy) webscan gold |
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| 14:07.44 | ThePiratemaster | i need ot know what firmware to upload |
| 14:07.46 | aeronadix | abrotman, no its only first year, so I just have to make a gui app and inhertance app, doesn't matter about which version |
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| 14:08.06 | abrotman | aeronadix: ok . jujst something to be aware of |
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| 14:08.59 | asg | what, in 'Abrotman II, the smell of camphor' |
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| 14:10.49 | mifritscher_ | hi |
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| 14:11.12 | mifritscher_ | I installed php 5.0 from http://people.debian.org/~dexter/dists/php5.0/sarge/binary-i386/ |
| 14:11.28 | mifritscher_ | I wanted to recompile eacclerator for it |
| 14:11.33 | vladster | well I guess that is why they are terminal monitprs |
| 14:11.40 | megabit | Bye |
| 14:11.42 | mifritscher_ | but, when I start apache with it: |
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| 14:11.52 | vladster | no real xserver adjustments |
| 14:12.00 | mifritscher_ | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5.0/20041030/eaccelerator.so' - /usr/lib/php5.0/20041030/eaccelerator.so: undefined symbol: ps_globals in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 14:12.09 | mifritscher_ | Any ideas? |
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| 14:12.34 | asg | mifritscher_: #php might know. You could check that /usr/lib/php5.0/... exists first. |
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| 14:13.04 | kikinovak | Hi. I use an HP PSC 1210 printer/scanner with the hpoj driver. Q: anyone knows how I can check the ink level in the ink cartridges? |
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| 14:13.11 | mifritscher_ | yes, it exists |
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| 14:17.32 | raden | abnyone have an opinion amd or intel 64 bit ? |
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| 14:17.41 | asg | raden: #debian-amd64 might |
| 14:17.51 | raden | asg, thanks : ) |
| 14:17.59 | mifritscher_ | asg, #php doesn't know this either |
| 14:18.15 | dawg | might be slightly bias ;o |
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| 14:18.55 | raden | dawg, whys dat |
| 14:19.08 | asg | mifritscher_: well, then you might contact dexter or ask again and see if anyone else knows. |
| 14:19.19 | dawg | well the channel being *-amd64.. |
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| 14:19.40 | mifritscher_ | is dexter sometimes here? |
| 14:19.46 | asg | !seen dexter |
| 14:19.48 | dpkg | dexter <~xmaster@65.94.198.43> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 343d 14h 9m 49s ago, saying: 'anyone here familiar with enlightenment?'. |
| 14:19.55 | asg | mifritscher_: probably a different dexter though |
| 14:20.01 | mifritscher_ | yes :( |
| 14:20.10 | clarissa | after i changed "nv" to "nvidia" and restarted it sayd me he couldnt load module nvidia and abort with an error after in terminal mode changed back to "nv" it worked |
| 14:20.19 | raden | dawg, lol very true |
| 14:20.32 | raden | i just was wondering if there was an advantage between the 2 |
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| 14:23.26 | walaoa | where to read up about debian's bluetooth support? |
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| 14:23.59 | clarissa | it doesnt want to work :| |
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| 14:26.37 | asg | !bluetooth |
| 14:26.38 | dpkg | i guess bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting |
| 14:26.46 | asg | meh |
| 14:26.48 | EmleyMoor | walaoa: I would have thought bluetooth would have been more a kernel matter |
| 14:26.50 | syntaxx | my pornview hangs when i try to close it.. i need to kill <pid> to close it |
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| 14:27.32 | asg | syntaxx: use strace to run it and see why it hangs when you close it |
| 14:27.44 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
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| 14:27.56 | asg | syntaxx: if you are running sid, check the bts first |
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| 14:28.23 | syntaxx | im on sarge |
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| 14:29.26 | funkyHat | is xfce4 in the debian repositories? |
| 14:29.30 | asg | funkyHat: yes |
| 14:29.35 | funkyHat | :) |
| 14:29.41 | syntaxx | asg: the last line in strace pornview? |
| 14:29.44 | asg | !info xfce4 sarge |
| 14:29.51 | dpkg | xfce4: (Installs XFce4 core and scripts to set it up), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.5-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 17 kB |
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| 14:30.09 | asg | syntaxx: the last or there abouts. Paste the last line if you wish. |
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| 14:30.50 | ThePiratemaster | !info X.org Etch |
| 14:30.51 | syntaxx | asg: futex(0x8652b90, FUTEX_WAIT, 0, NULL thats the last line |
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| 14:31.00 | vladster | what group does a user have to belong to to startx |
| 14:31.08 | vladster | video? |
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| 14:31.38 | asg | vladster: probably. Also, check /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
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| 14:32.15 | funkyHat | !info freenx |
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| 14:32.28 | johnny06 | hi,how would i know if shadowpasswd is enabeled or not on debian sarge,can't remember askin me during install if i wanted shadowpasswd |
| 14:32.30 | sleon|squid | !+find uuencode |
| 14:32.32 | ThePiratemaster | can anyonme help me to fix my scanner? |
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| 14:32.41 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 14:32.46 | ThePiratemaster | i need to have it fixed by the end the day and im out of ideas |
| 14:32.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'uuencode' (5 of 20): (/usr/bin/uuencode) in utils/sharutils ;; (/usr/share/amsn/plugins/base64/uuencode.tcl) in x11/amsn ;; (/usr/include/php5/ext/standard/php_uuencode.h) in devel/php5-dev ;; (/usr/include/kde/mimelib/uuencode.h) in libdevel/libmimelib1-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/smartlist/examples/uuencode.dif) in mail/smartlist. |
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| 14:33.08 | asg | syntaxx: that's the reason then. You might check the bts to see if someone else has posted a bug report. |
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| 14:33.42 | clarissa | omg xD |
| 14:33.48 | dabaR | hi, does anyone have that link for the firefox quicktime plugin, that allows to click on the image, and download instead of having to watch on the page? |
| 14:33.49 | syntaxx | asg: bts? ^^ |
| 14:33.54 | dabaR | not anyone. |
| 14:33.55 | asg | !bts |
| 14:33.56 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 14:33.59 | ThePiratemaster | http://pastebin.com/353615 |
| 14:34.25 | clarissa | i can start the game with "+set r_allowSoftwareGL 1" but then it lags without mess 0.5frames per second |
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| 14:34.30 | syntaxx | thanks |
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| 14:35.16 | asg | johnny06: are password hashes listed in the second field in /etc/password? If not, they are in /etc/shadow. |
| 14:35.23 | ThePiratemaster | please can anyone be of some assistence, scanner is called Trust 240Th Direct Webscan Gold and uses the gt6816 chip |
| 14:35.25 | ThePiratemaster | http://pastebin.com/353615 |
| 14:35.35 | asg | ThePiratemaster: have you googled |
| 14:35.36 | ThePiratemaster | these are some output |
| 14:35.39 | ThePiratemaster | yes i did |
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| 14:35.44 | vladster | Well it works |
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| 14:36.10 | ThePiratemaster | but i get to little error meeseges to know what exactly i should enter |
| 14:36.17 | ThePiratemaster | i tried typing in the name |
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| 14:36.22 | ThePiratemaster | looked on the trust site |
| 14:36.24 | vladster | is it possible to use squid in conjunction with tor and privoxy? |
| 14:36.25 | ThePiratemaster | on the sane site |
| 14:36.26 | asg | ThePiratemaster: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 14:36.30 | ThePiratemaster | no |
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| 14:36.43 | asg | ThePiratemaster: are you using a 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:36.44 | ThePiratemaster | wouldnt dare to :P |
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| 14:36.49 | ThePiratemaster | yes |
| 14:36.57 | asg | ThePiratemaster: does /sbin/modprobe sg work? |
| 14:37.02 | ThePiratemaster | no |
| 14:37.03 | ThePiratemaster | tried it |
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| 14:37.14 | syntaxx | asg: same bug at bts =\ |
| 14:37.14 | asg | ThePiratemaster: then your system is broken |
| 14:37.18 | asg | syntaxx: ah |
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| 14:37.28 | ThePiratemaster | damn |
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| 14:37.33 | ThePiratemaster | oh ohold on |
| 14:37.35 | asg | ThePiratemaster: what did you do to delete modprobe? |
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| 14:37.41 | ThePiratemaster | modprobe does work this time |
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| 14:38.04 | ThePiratemaster | it doesnt return anything though |
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| 14:38.09 | asg | ThePiratemaster: that means it worked |
| 14:38.17 | ThePiratemaster | i know that |
| 14:38.25 | ThePiratemaster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:38.29 | asg | ThePiratemaster: in Unix, if nothing is spewed to the screen, it generally indicates success |
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| 14:38.40 | ThePiratemaster | no news it goodnews |
| 14:38.42 | asg | ThePiratemaster: try running the sane-find or whatever command complained |
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| 14:38.52 | ThePiratemaster | i did |
| 14:38.59 | ThePiratemaster | it finds the scanner |
| 14:39.01 | syntaxx | asg: when i tried to apt-get build-dep pornview it shows a lot of dep. do i need to download it all? |
| 14:39.08 | asg | syntaxx: yes |
| 14:39.10 | ThePiratemaster | http://pastebin.com/353615 |
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| 14:39.17 | syntaxx | ok |
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| 14:40.23 | asg | ThePiratemaster: then it found the scanner. Why are you running modprobe sg? |
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| 14:40.55 | ThePiratemaster | for scsi scanners |
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| 14:41.00 | ThePiratemaster | but its usb |
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| 14:41.14 | aeronadix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:41.34 | ThePiratemaster | asg, any idea what could be wrong? |
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| 14:41.39 | asg | aeronadix: dpkg -L <pkg> |
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| 14:41.56 | asg | ThePiratemaster: no, try #sane perhaps |
| 14:42.00 | ThePiratemaster | tried |
| 14:42.04 | ThePiratemaster | no-one awnsers |
| 14:42.08 | asg | ThePiratemaster: then try their mailing list(s) |
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| 14:43.21 | aeronadix | dpkg -L libcommons-modeler-java-doc |
| 14:43.22 | dpkg | No packages found matching libcommons-modeler-java-doc |
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| 14:43.36 | aeronadix | dpkg -L libcommons |
| 14:43.36 | dpkg | No packages found matching libcommons |
| 14:43.46 | aeronadix | dpkg -L java |
| 14:43.47 | dpkg | No packages found matching java |
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| 14:46.23 | chris | what is the xorg package called? |
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| 14:46.35 | chris | i tried apt-get install xorg and got nada |
| 14:46.38 | lord_rob | chris: apt-cache search xorg |
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| 14:46.59 | chris | do i want the xserver package? |
| 14:47.02 | chris | xserver-xorg? |
| 14:47.06 | Zomb | chris: what do you want? |
| 14:47.10 | Zomb | what do you need? |
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| 14:47.45 | chris | i want to upgrade to xorg b/c my video card occasional crashes during load up |
| 14:47.56 | chris | or i mean x sometimes doesn't start |
| 14:48.03 | peterS | yes, the video driver will be in xserver-xorg |
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| 14:48.14 | asg | aeronadix: did you apt-get install or or download a deb and dpkg -i it? |
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| 14:49.54 | clarissa | how to shut down the X-Server ? |
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| 14:50.18 | Mage__ | ctrl + alt + <- |
| 14:50.24 | clarissa | okay thx mage ^^ |
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| 14:50.42 | Thor_The_Origina | hi |
| 14:50.48 | Mage__ | kakoo |
| 14:50.57 | Thor_The_Origina | someone knows how to install debian on a notebook with sata? |
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| 14:51.11 | Mage__ | with a cdrom |
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| 14:51.14 | lord_rob | mage: that won't work unless the x server is started from a tty. it will restart the x server instead |
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| 14:51.25 | Thor_The_Origina | the installation says me that I have no hard disk in my notebook |
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| 14:51.37 | Mage__ | /etc/init.d/[g|k|x]dm stop then |
| 14:51.44 | Thor_The_Origina | Mage__ :P |
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| 14:51.57 | surfdue | hey |
| 14:52.00 | surfdue | im in debian |
| 14:52.04 | Mage__ | OK |
| 14:52.08 | surfdue | um the screen resolution is messed up |
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| 14:52.13 | Mage__ | Thor_The_Origina: try with linux26 |
| 14:52.14 | lord_rob | Thor_The_Origina: did you try installing using linux24 or linux26 ? |
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| 14:52.24 | surfdue | and it cant change because only 800x600 is in the menu how do we fix it |
| 14:52.30 | Thor_The_Origina | I tried with both kernels |
| 14:52.33 | Mage__ | surfdue: console or X ? |
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| 14:52.41 | Thor_The_Origina | but they don't wor |
| 14:52.42 | Thor_The_Origina | wokr |
| 14:52.43 | Thor_The_Origina | work |
| 14:52.48 | surfdue | in gnome |
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| 14:52.51 | Mage__ | surfdue: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:52.51 | surfdue | so X |
| 14:52.55 | lord_rob | surfdue: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg if using sid) |
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| 14:53.30 | surfdue | that package isnt installed |
| 14:53.34 | surfdue | i must have another one |
| 14:53.38 | Thor_The_Origina | I seen on internet that there is a module for sata |
| 14:53.39 | Thor_The_Origina | ahci |
| 14:53.40 | surfdue | what isthedebian defualt package on netinstall |
| 14:53.50 | Thor_The_Origina | i try to type at boot "linux26 ahci" |
| 14:53.56 | Thor_The_Origina | but it doesn't work |
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| 14:54.13 | valdyn_ | !doesn't work |
| 14:54.13 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 14:54.29 | m2 | surfdue: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 14:55.02 | surfdue | 3.1 |
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| 14:55.16 | raden | all Intel Dual Cores have programs that will prevent illegal mp3 downloads <<< is there any truth to that statement |
| 14:55.19 | m2 | surfdue: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 should tell you that the package is installed |
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| 14:56.02 | amphi | raden: see rfc3751 |
| 14:56.04 | lord_rob | surfdue: try xserver-xfree86, if it doesn't work then it's xorg |
| 14:56.11 | raden | rfc ? |
| 14:56.15 | abrotman | !rfc |
| 14:56.15 | dpkg | rfc is, like, Request For Comments. They are available at http://www.rfc-editor.org/, http://www.rfc.net, or ask about rfc 1918 for private address ranges |
| 14:56.20 | asg | !rfc3751 |
| 14:56.20 | dpkg | i guess rfc3751 is The Omniscience Protocol. S. Bradner. Apr-1-2004 (Format: TXT=21278 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) |
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| 14:56.36 | clarissa | help :| with ctrl + alt + <- i shut down x-server but it goes to this logon screen how do i boot the only terminal mode without all other? |
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| 14:56.46 | asg | clarissa: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 14:56.46 | raden | amphi, thanks |
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| 14:56.59 | amphi | raden: not at all ;) |
| 14:57.02 | m2 | raden: no, I can't find truth in that statement, I'm missing an u. |
| 14:57.05 | clarissa | asg whats this? |
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| 14:57.23 | asg | clarissa: tells you what you want. |
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| 14:57.29 | clarissa | okay thanks asg :) |
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| 14:57.41 | asg | clarissa: if you are already in X, CTRL+ALT+F1 will get you to a console |
| 14:57.42 | m2 | ah, there's an u in Dual, so I guess there's truth in it afterall :-) |
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| 14:59.01 | surfdue | thank goodness |
| 14:59.03 | clarissa | ctl-alt-fN <---whats this? |
| 14:59.04 | surfdue | sorry i left :| |
| 14:59.13 | surfdue | ii xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 the XFree86 X server |
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| 14:59.22 | surfdue | so how do i fix this resolution proble,? |
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| 14:59.29 | fanopnaic | clarissa: F1 - F7 |
| 14:59.32 | ThePiratemaster | i found out whats wrong with my scanner |
| 14:59.42 | raden | Im only hearing this rumor from people running Win* though |
| 14:59.46 | ThePiratemaster | it appears ot be a usb issue |
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| 14:59.57 | clarissa | okay but this doesnt work with ctrl+alt+f1 i go to text mode but x-server is still running :| |
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| 15:00.03 | raden | I know win 64 has safeguard shit built in |
| 15:00.13 | clarissa | i must shut down the x-server in text mode |
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| 15:00.22 | Thor_The_Origina | so, does nobody know how to install linux in a serial ata system? |
| 15:00.23 | raden | just wondering if there will be any affect on the linux ocmmunity |
| 15:00.31 | amphi | !pal at people running Win* |
| 15:00.31 | asg | clarissa: /etc/init.d/{x,g,d,w}dm stop |
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| 15:00.58 | abrotman | Thor_The_Origina: which controller? |
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| 15:01.09 | Thor_The_Origina | i have a intel915pm chipset |
| 15:01.14 | clarissa | okay thanks asg |
| 15:01.18 | Thor_The_Origina | in a notebook |
| 15:01.20 | abrotman | Thor_The_Origina: you need at least a daily .. if not a custom daily with 2.6.12 |
| 15:01.28 | abrotman | Thor_The_Origina: the sarge installer will not work |
| 15:01.30 | clarissa | this in console after hit ctrl+alt+f1 ? @ asg |
| 15:01.31 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 15:01.32 | dpkg | sarge hardware support is, like, reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 15:01.33 | asg | clarissa: yes |
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| 15:01.39 | clarissa | okay ^^ |
| 15:01.40 | Thor_The_Origina | and then how i can install debian? |
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| 15:01.48 | Thor_The_Origina | with this daily build? |
| 15:01.58 | asg | clarissa: well, login as root first, then /etc/init.d/gdm stop (replace gdm with whatever you use (i.e. kdm, xdm, wdm.)) |
| 15:01.59 | abrotman | Thor_The_Origina: yes .. |
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| 15:02.14 | abrotman | Thor_The_Origina: which will install testing |
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| 15:02.28 | abrotman | Thor_The_Origina: x86 ? or x86-64 ? |
| 15:02.33 | Thor_The_Origina | x86 |
| 15:02.48 | clarissa | okay |
| 15:02.51 | Thor_The_Origina | it's a centrino 740 |
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| 15:03.03 | abrotman | Thor_The_Origina: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerToday .. any of those affect you? |
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| 15:03.16 | m2 | surfdue: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:03.21 | abrotman | Thor_The_Origina: i suspect at least one of those does ... |
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| 15:03.53 | Thor_The_Origina | the error is that the installer doesn't find a hard disk to install debian in |
| 15:03.57 | abrotman | Thor_The_Origina: and then .. http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050902/ .. i suspect you want thenetinst |
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| 15:04.06 | abrotman | Thor_The_Origina: i know what your problem is .. the sarge installer's kernel is too old |
| 15:04.14 | Thor_The_Origina | I have both netinst image |
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| 15:04.19 | Thor_The_Origina | and the complete isos? |
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| 15:04.29 | abrotman | Thor_The_Origina: but that page of problems talks about kernel 2.6.8 being installed |
| 15:04.47 | abrotman | Thor_The_Origina: the sarge install media is no good to you .. unless you wish to try putting a custom kernel on your netinst |
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| 15:05.32 | asg | Thor_The_Origina: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/2.6.12/sarge-custom-0831.iso (Kenshi Muto's custom installer might work) |
| 15:05.39 | abrotman | woohoo |
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| 15:05.47 | abrotman | asg: i forgot about that .. only took 24 hours :) |
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| 15:06.21 | asg | abrotman: I remember seeing it on pl.d.o |
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| 15:06.28 | Thor_The_Origina | is this a installer with kernel 2.6.12? |
| 15:06.30 | abrotman | asg: yes .. after you pated it .. i did too |
| 15:06.32 | abrotman | Thor_The_Origina: yes |
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| 15:06.37 | Thor_The_Origina | ok thanks |
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| 15:07.02 | Thor_The_Origina | so at the boot have I to type something? |
| 15:07.04 | abrotman | Thor_The_Origina: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 |
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| 15:07.14 | abrotman | Thor_The_Origina: linux26 .. or so i'd guess |
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| 15:07.46 | Thor_The_Origina | ok I will try |
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| 15:07.50 | Thor_The_Origina | thanks :) |
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| 15:08.50 | ThePiratemaster | [sanei_usb] sanei_usb_open: trying to open device `libusb:001:003' |
| 15:08.50 | ThePiratemaster | USB error: could not set config 1: Connection timed out |
| 15:08.50 | ThePiratemaster | [sanei_usb] sanei_usb_open: libusb complained: could not set config 1: Connection timed out |
| 15:09.06 | ThePiratemaster | something is really screwing up my usb... |
| 15:09.19 | abrotman | debhelper: you're slow |
| 15:09.21 | asg | ThePiratemaster: or your scanner just isn't supported |
| 15:09.21 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone help me find out what and how to fix it? |
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| 15:09.29 | ThePiratemaster | it is |
| 15:09.29 | abrotman | !sane |
| 15:09.29 | dpkg | Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning...easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ |
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| 15:09.48 | ThePiratemaster | it worked before |
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| 15:09.59 | asg | ThePiratemaster: then what did you do to make it not work? |
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| 15:10.19 | ThePiratemaster | use debian... |
| 15:10.32 | abrotman | bad answer |
| 15:10.34 | asg | ThePiratemaster: what were you using before? |
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| 15:10.50 | ThePiratemaster | it should work on debian too if it works on opensuse beta2 |
| 15:11.09 | asg | ThePiratemaster: maybe, maybe not. They might have a tweaked kernel, lots of non-free stuff, etc. |
| 15:11.22 | ThePiratemaster | opensuse it now free software |
| 15:11.27 | ThePiratemaster | 100% |
| 15:11.35 | ThePiratemaster | (even yast) |
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| 15:11.45 | asg | ThePiratemaster: free for suse and free for Debian are two different things |
| 15:11.46 | ThePiratemaster | thing is, i hate betas |
| 15:11.48 | abrotman | that doesn't help you here |
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| 15:12.02 | ChrisBradley | http://tinyurl.com/do64b - please sign and pass on |
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| 15:12.17 | ThePiratemaster | can you just help me fix it, i hate discussions about "free"-dom |
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| 15:12.37 | ChrisBradley | Good morning |
| 15:12.44 | asg | ThePiratemaster: that is the point, the free as in speech parts that make it work on suse may not be in debian. |
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| 15:13.03 | abrotman | ChrisBradley: please don't spam us |
| 15:13.06 | ThePiratemaster | good |
| 15:13.06 | asg | ChrisBradley: /j #katrina (that's the forum for such things) |
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| 15:13.14 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone helop with the usb problem? |
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| 15:13.23 | asg | *plonk* |
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| 15:13.36 | abrotman | !beer asg |
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| 15:13.46 | ChrisBradley | No kidding - I've been there for the last 72 hours making this site |
| 15:13.50 | asg | abrotman: too early for the black tar. I'll have a lager for now. |
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| 15:13.58 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 15:14.00 | cddesjar | how do i restart cups in debian? |
| 15:14.03 | asg | there we go |
| 15:14.03 | abrotman | asg: better? |
| 15:14.09 | asg | cddesjar: /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
| 15:14.11 | abrotman | cddesjar: /etc/init/ |
| 15:14.12 | abrotman | bah |
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| 15:14.18 | cddesjar | sys that's why |
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| 15:14.57 | mmiikkee12 | my lilo bootloader doesn't work anymore... |
| 15:15.04 | abrotman | cddesjar: you could have looked in /etc/init.d/ :) |
| 15:15.10 | mmiikkee12 | anyone know why? |
| 15:15.16 | mmiikkee12 | it said "L 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99" |
| 15:15.20 | abrotman | my girlfriend doesn't work anymore |
| 15:15.27 | asg | abrotman: I'll fix her for you |
| 15:15.28 | dvs | abrotman: Reboot her |
| 15:15.31 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: did you even try to google that? |
| 15:15.37 | abrotman | asg: i'll tell mrs. asg :) |
| 15:15.43 | RichiH | mmiikkee12: L means the first stage is broken |
| 15:15.46 | mmiikkee12 | yeah, but i don't know what could have caused it |
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| 15:16.01 | lakcaj | Give her a good fsck |
| 15:16.09 | asg | abrotman: hey, she might want to help too :p |
| 15:16.10 | mmiikkee12 | all i did was start installing gentoo |
| 15:16.19 | abrotman | asg: you want me to help mrs. asg? :) |
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| 15:16.24 | asg | heh |
| 15:16.25 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: all you did? |
| 15:16.26 | mmiikkee12 | it's not even in the menu yet |
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| 15:16.45 | abrotman | sounds like gentoo broke your system .. enjoy |
| 15:16.45 | xnet | what are my options for watching realplayer shit on the web? |
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| 15:16.56 | abrotman | xnet: the realplayer player |
| 15:16.58 | mmiikkee12 | yes, i mounted the cd image in debian and installed from gnome-terminal |
| 15:17.02 | EmleyMoor | xnet: use realplayer |
| 15:17.15 | xnet | oh i figured they didn't have one for linux. |
| 15:17.21 | abrotman | xnet: they sure do |
| 15:17.26 | xnet | my bad.... i guess i should of looked into it |
| 15:17.32 | EmleyMoor | You figured wrong - there's even an installer package for Debian |
| 15:17.33 | lakcaj | !realplayer |
| 15:17.33 | dpkg | methinks realplayer is a proprietary Real player, or http://www.real.com/linux/ or ask me about helix player, or ask me about shit |
| 15:17.34 | abrotman | !helix-player |
| 15:17.36 | abrotman | bah |
| 15:17.46 | asg | abrotman: now she's going to show up and yell at you |
| 15:17.49 | EmleyMoor | !shit |
| 15:17.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
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| 15:18.10 | abrotman | asg: mrs. asg knows where i live? |
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| 15:18.20 | cokeblood | hi guys |
| 15:18.21 | cokeblood | hey |
| 15:18.25 | cokeblood | i have a problem with X |
| 15:18.26 | asg | abrotman: I was talking about helix ;) |
| 15:18.26 | dvs | ciao |
| 15:18.33 | abrotman | asg: oh .. maybe |
| 15:18.34 | cokeblood | ciao dvs ^^ |
| 15:18.40 | mmiikkee12 | anyway, why would that break my system? |
| 15:18.49 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: ask #gentoo .. |
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| 15:18.58 | EmleyMoor | !tell cokeblood about ask |
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| 15:19.16 | mmiikkee12 | but gentoo isn't running et! it's the lilo that comes with debian! |
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| 15:19.22 | mmiikkee12 | *yeet |
| 15:19.23 | mmiikkee12 | *yet |
| 15:19.27 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: did it work before you tried to install gentoo ?> |
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| 15:19.37 | asg | mmiikkee12: then google for 'L 99 99 lilo' and start reading |
| 15:19.37 | mmiikkee12 | yes |
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| 15:19.50 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: then what do you think broke it? .. debian? or gentoo? |
| 15:19.53 | mmiikkee12 | but what caused it?!?!? |
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| 15:20.06 | mmiikkee12 | gentoo didn't touch the bootloader. |
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| 15:20.13 | xnet | is realplayer as intrusive for linux as it is for windows? |
| 15:20.20 | mmiikkee12 | don't even have a kernel compiled yet. |
| 15:20.23 | abrotman | xnet: i tihnk i have it installed .. seems ok |
| 15:20.23 | EmleyMoor | xnet: No |
| 15:20.48 | clarissa | the command "/etc/init.d/{x,g,d,w,}kde stop" doesnt work :( |
| 15:20.49 | abrotman | xnet: well i did |
| 15:20.52 | cokeblood | i get this error while trying to start X: (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 15:20.52 | cokeblood | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.52 | cokeblood | (EE) mouse0: cannot open input device |
| 15:20.52 | cokeblood | (EE) PreInit failed for input device "mouse0" |
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| 15:20.58 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
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| 15:21.09 | clarissa | okay abrotman |
| 15:21.10 | abrotman | cokeblood: 2.6 kernel ? |
| 15:21.13 | cokeblood | sorry for the flood mates, i thought 3 lines were allowed |
| 15:21.17 | cokeblood | 2.4 i think |
| 15:21.18 | cokeblood | lol |
| 15:21.23 | cokeblood | i haven't checkd on debian |
| 15:21.24 | cokeblood | ^^ |
| 15:21.27 | abrotman | uname -a |
| 15:21.28 | cokeblood | i'm from fedora now |
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| 15:21.40 | cokeblood | because i still haven't configured my pppoe connection from debian |
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| 15:21.58 | cokeblood | ok, i'll check and come back abrotman. |
| 15:22.00 | dvs | cokeblood: ls -l /dev/input/mice |
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| 15:22.21 | abrotman | check and come back? |
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| 15:22.26 | abrotman | didn't he setup his pppoe yet? |
| 15:22.32 | cokeblood | no |
| 15:22.38 | abrotman | you really should :) |
| 15:22.50 | cokeblood | i was trying to run x first :D |
| 15:23.10 | cokeblood | i feel a little uncomfortable in textual mode |
| 15:23.21 | cokeblood | see you in a minute |
| 15:23.28 | abrotman | cokeblood: yes .. but if you get pppoe working .. then you can irc from text land |
| 15:23.30 | abrotman | bah .. fine |
| 15:23.41 | abrotman | click and point .. all day long .. |
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| 15:28.01 | SimonRaven | fuck you you fucking spam bots. sorry, had to get out |
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| 15:28.07 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 15:28.09 | thingfish | boy really, I agree. |
| 15:28.21 | asg | SimonRaven: never had one hit me yet |
| 15:28.24 | solemnwarning | ive got a 3dfx voodoo5 agp vga |
| 15:28.27 | thingfish | all that joining then leaving... |
| 15:28.29 | solemnwarning | how well is it supported? |
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| 15:28.40 | SimonRaven | i have. when the client hadn't set +E yet |
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| 15:28.58 | asg | SimonRaven: ah, never leaving #debian also helps :) |
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| 15:29.13 | thingfish | I don't get spambot PMs anymore, just all this /joining and leaving makes so much noise in the channel. |
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| 15:29.25 | solemnwarning | how well is it supported? |
| 15:29.26 | asg | thingfish: you can /ignore joins/parts |
| 15:29.36 | SimonRaven | yeh, well, i couldn't help it. irssi was doing that weird thing of "i'll run at 100% cpu and not let you type" crap again :/ |
| 15:29.37 | asg | solemnwarning: pop it in and try it |
| 15:29.38 | thingfish | asg: I did not know that. |
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| 15:30.17 | SimonRaven | information: don't do that. ask me |
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| 15:30.43 | information | SimonRaven: just checking this client of mine |
| 15:30.54 | information | SimonRaven: apologies |
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| 15:30.57 | SimonRaven | np |
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| 15:32.02 | abrotman | i thought debhelper was banning hosts ? |
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| 15:32.11 | SimonRaven | on demand |
| 15:32.14 | dvs | abrotman: It banned one just now |
| 15:32.24 | SimonRaven | oh, nm me then |
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| 15:32.37 | abrotman | i'm not seeing htis ... |
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| 15:32.46 | abrotman | this |
| 15:32.47 | dvs | bir_veda_havasi |
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| 15:32.58 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
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| 15:33.11 | dvs | But it should be working harder |
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| 15:33.25 | abrotman | no kidding :) |
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| 15:33.29 | EmleyMoor | dvs: You mean it should ban everything? <g> |
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| 15:33.46 | dvs | EmleyMoor: No, just the ones that login then logout |
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| 15:33.55 | m2 | EmleyMoor: that'd make the channel a very peaceful, if boring, place :-) |
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| 15:34.20 | abrotman | !ban asg |
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| 15:35.03 | abrotman | asg: you'd probably do a lot of things |
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| 15:35.12 | asg | abrotman: I'd have time to document all our Linux systems so if I get run over by a bus, someone would have half a chance of keeping things straight. |
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| 15:35.14 | clarissa | how do i install kernel-source or kernel-header ? |
| 15:35.18 | abrotman | asg: maybe even an asg jr.!!! |
| 15:35.23 | dvs | clarissa: apt-get install .... |
| 15:35.31 | asg | abrotman: nah, I have cats ... no need for kids |
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| 15:35.42 | dvs | clarissa: apt-get install kernel-header-$(uname -r) |
| 15:35.52 | m2 | clarissa: I guess you want to install a module? |
| 15:35.53 | abrotman | asg: you need a dog |
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| 15:36.08 | clarissa | yes nvidia driver must compile own kernel package @ m2 |
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| 15:36.22 | dvs | !nvidia one-liner |
| 15:36.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 15:36.24 | m2 | clarissa: did you try apt-get install module-assistant ? |
| 15:36.25 | asg | abrotman: too much work, I prefer the air of apathy that cats exude. |
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| 15:36.38 | abrotman | haha .. gene hackman has hair |
| 15:36.41 | m2 | clarissa: then you run 'module-assistant' and follow the directions... |
| 15:36.50 | clarissa | okay |
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| 15:37.05 | clarissa | m2 : apt-get install kernel-source too? |
| 15:37.06 | vladster | Hey, that is my standard script! |
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| 15:37.11 | EmleyMoor | asg: Quote from Red Dwarf's Cat: "Cats do not do the W word! Cats do not work!" |
| 15:37.12 | abrotman | asg: yes .. that is nice sometimes .. and sometimes .. when the cats want attention .. annoying as hell |
| 15:37.18 | m2 | clarissa: nah, module-assistant will take care of that. |
| 15:37.30 | asg | EmleyMoor: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/cats/webster/webster-couch-3.jpg (that one doesn't, that's for sure.) |
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| 15:37.36 | asg | abrotman: :) |
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| 15:37.41 | cokeblood | i'm back mates |
| 15:37.43 | clarissa | and i must install a linker in /usr/bin/ld |
| 15:37.47 | clarissa | how? ^^ |
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| 15:38.07 | cokeblood | i've even configured pppoe on debian, and it seems to be working, but if i try to open some site with lynx or to ping something i get no response ^^ |
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| 15:38.26 | EmleyMoor | My ex had a cat called Webster |
| 15:38.34 | m2 | clarissa: that's apt-get install binutils |
| 15:38.40 | cokeblood | anyway, my kernel is 2.4.27-2-k7 |
| 15:38.47 | asg | cokeblood: ping 166.82.1.97 (does that work) |
| 15:38.47 | clarissa | okay thanks m2 ^^ |
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| 15:39.03 | asg | EmleyMoor: this one has super powers though. |
| 15:39.10 | EmleyMoor | Don't they all! |
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| 15:39.17 | cokeblood | asg don't know to speak here i have to boot from my fedora box |
| 15:39.25 | asg | ? |
| 15:39.31 | EmleyMoor | Teleportation mainly |
| 15:39.46 | cokeblood | anyway before getting pppoe to work i want to get X to work |
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| 15:39.48 | m2 | asg: I guess 'how do I guess a network connection going?' :-) |
| 15:39.57 | m2 | get even. |
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| 15:40.18 | asg | m2: all he had to do was ping that ip. If it worked, great, if not, then we'd go on to other troubleshooting. |
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| 15:40.24 | cokeblood | i get this error when i try to start x |
| 15:40.25 | cokeblood | (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 15:40.25 | cokeblood | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.30 | asg | !2.6 mouse |
| 15:40.30 | dpkg | well, 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules and choose mouse device /dev/input/mice and mouse type ExplorerPS/2. See http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
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| 15:40.39 | dvs | asg: It's a 2.4 kernel |
| 15:40.56 | cokeblood | mine is a 2.4 kernel |
| 15:40.57 | asg | dvs: then he should use /dev/psaux most likely |
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| 15:41.04 | __filip_ | how big harddrive does i need to install debian? |
| 15:41.10 | cokeblood | it's a ps/2 mouse |
| 15:41.12 | asg | __filip_: ~200M |
| 15:41.23 | asg | __filip_: ~2G if you want the bloat that is gnome or kde |
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| 15:41.24 | dvs | cokeblood: Then use /dev/psaux rather then /dev/input/mice |
| 15:41.38 | __filip_ | asg: okej |
| 15:41.43 | cokeblood | __filip_ it dependes on what you want to install. without X even 200 megabyte will be enough |
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| 15:41.50 | EmleyMoor | You can make a practical system on just about any hard disk you can buy today |
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| 15:41.57 | cokeblood | ok dvs, i'll try |
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| 15:42.07 | cokeblood | thanks a lot dvgs and asg |
| 15:42.18 | dvs | dvgs?!? |
| 15:42.18 | dvs | Grrrrrrrrrr |
| 15:42.19 | cokeblood | ops |
| 15:42.20 | cokeblood | sorry |
| 15:42.21 | cokeblood | dvs |
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| 15:42.47 | vladster | is there a way to print to a jetdirect print server without cups |
| 15:42.54 | __filip_ | i only need the first CD to install debian or? |
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| 15:43.14 | asg | vladster: you can use lprng and probably standard lp to point to 9100 |
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| 15:43.18 | EmleyMoor | __filip_: If you are prepared to do the rest over the Internet, the first CD is more than adequate |
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| 15:43.29 | surfdue | hi |
| 15:43.29 | vladster | I only have a 1.2 gig hard drive and cups would eat up too much space |
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| 15:43.37 | cokeblood | i'll try, see you in a while |
| 15:43.38 | m2 | __filip_: yup, the rest you can fetch out of the net |
| 15:43.38 | asg | vladster: start with lprng then |
| 15:43.43 | vladster | ok |
| 15:43.45 | surfdue | i cant burn a disk it comes us with no such device /dev/cdrom |
| 15:43.57 | dvs | surfdue: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
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| 15:44.06 | EmleyMoor | surfdue: cdrecord --scanbus |
| 15:44.13 | __filip_ | okej, then i will fetch the cd know. |
| 15:44.13 | vladster | I will have to fing the howto's then |
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| 15:44.41 | Mcss | whats the best distribution of linux????? |
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| 15:44.51 | setog3 | hi |
| 15:44.51 | dvs | Mcss: Hmmmmmmmmmmm..... let me see............ |
| 15:44.52 | EmleyMoor | Debian, of course |
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| 15:45.46 | setog3 | I have a K7VT4A motherboard, I install the package acpid, charge the acpi temp module , but I have nothing in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone , any idea ? |
| 15:45.56 | surfdue | i cant get it to work |
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| 15:46.09 | EmleyMoor | surfdue: What does cdrecord --scanbus say? |
| 15:46.24 | surfdue | nothing |
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| 15:46.37 | surfdue | Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported. |
| 15:46.37 | surfdue | cdrecord: Read-only file system. Cannot open '/dev/cdrom'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 15:46.39 | EmleyMoor | cdrecord --scanbus dev=ATA: |
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| 15:46.42 | EmleyMoor | Try that |
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| 15:47.38 | surfdue | Warning: Using badly designed ATAPI via /dev/hd* interface. |
| 15:47.38 | surfdue | cdrecord: Read-only file system. Cannot open '/dev/hdc'. Cannot open SCSI driver |
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| 15:48.07 | EmleyMoor | surfdue: What, exactly, are you typing? |
| 15:48.23 | surfdue | what you said |
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| 15:48.29 | jmoschetti45 | can a semi-faulty motherboard lead to kernel panics? im haveing tons of unexplainable ones, and i know the mobo is having issues (cant save the cmos) |
| 15:48.38 | EmleyMoor | What, EXACTLY? Or are you embellishing it in some way? |
| 15:48.38 | surfdue | cdrecord --scanbus dev=ATA: |
| 15:48.39 | im3r | question when i run chkrootkit i get this |
| 15:48.41 | im3r | Searching for anomalies in shell history files... Warning: `//root/.bash_history' file size is zero |
| 15:48.41 | im3r | nothing found |
| 15:48.49 | EmleyMoor | Ah, hold on |
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| 15:49.22 | lakcaj | im3r, that means that someone could have essentially deleted the history of commands run as root, so you couldn't trace what they did |
| 15:49.26 | asg | im3r: is HISTSIZE=0 set in one or root's dotfiles? |
| 15:49.29 | EmleyMoor | Try cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA: |
| 15:49.37 | EmleyMoor | (only one -) |
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| 15:49.43 | asg | s/or/of/ |
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| 15:50.11 | surfdue | same |
| 15:50.15 | surfdue | error |
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| 15:50.29 | EmleyMoor | cdrecord -scanbus (nothing else)? |
| 15:50.29 | dvs | surdue: Try cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI |
| 15:50.33 | surfdue | nope |
| 15:50.34 | surfdue | same error |
| 15:50.36 | abrotman | jmoschetti45: replace your battery? |
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| 15:50.54 | surfdue | scsibus0: |
| 15:50.54 | surfdue | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.57 | surfdue | looks better |
| 15:50.58 | surfdue | :) |
| 15:51.01 | jmoschetti45 | abrotman: im monitoring with a volt meter, been reading 3.02V all the time |
| 15:51.08 | abrotman | so? |
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| 15:51.21 | jmoschetti45 | its full, its less than a year old anyways |
| 15:51.21 | abrotman | is it a 3V line? |
| 15:51.22 | EmleyMoor | OK... if you use dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 in your cdrecord commands, it should work |
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| 15:51.33 | asg | !tell asmodaiii-aWay about away |
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| 15:51.34 | abrotman | !tell asmodaiii-aWay about away |
| 15:52.06 | asg | Reason: ( pola )? Something to do with poultry? |
| 15:52.24 | EmleyMoor | Chickening out? |
| 15:52.31 | asg | and buggering off |
| 15:52.36 | jmoschetti45 | i think im gonna go bust out that spare mobo i have and try it |
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| 15:53.17 | abrotman | it's full of what? |
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| 15:53.25 | abrotman | and isn't 3V normal for what you're measuring? |
| 15:53.32 | abrotman | if it's 5V .. that's really really not good |
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| 15:57.43 | surfdue | it seems to start to work |
| 15:57.51 | surfdue | then it just like freeees |
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| 15:58.19 | dvs | surfdue: What does "dmegs | grep ATAPI" say? |
| 15:58.26 | dvs | surfdue: What does "dmesg | grep ATAPI" say? |
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| 15:58.37 | jmoschetti45 | abrotman: it says 3v on the batt |
| 15:58.39 | geko | does anyone heard about beatrix? |
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| 15:58.51 | jmoschetti45 | and the other mobo thats the exact same also has a 3v batt |
| 15:58.52 | abrotman | jmoschetti45: 3.02 is fine probably |
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| 15:59.47 | jmoschetti45 | yeah |
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| 15:59.55 | jmoschetti45 | i guess i will just try swapping it |
| 16:00.11 | asg | geko: Beatrix Potter? Of course. |
| 16:00.17 | jmoschetti45 | gonna take a while though, this box is full of a raid-0 array (6 drives, plus 2 others) |
| 16:00.27 | geko | no, the knoppix based distro. |
| 16:00.35 | asg | geko: #beatrix |
| 16:00.46 | lakcaj | Is there a utility in debian to find out what the southbridge controller is on my machine, and possibly the appropriate module to load? |
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| 16:00.56 | nerdy2 | lspci |
| 16:00.58 | asg | lakcaj: lspci, dmesg |
| 16:00.58 | geko | asg: it's empty. |
| 16:01.08 | asg | geko: then it's apparently crap and has no users who care |
| 16:01.21 | asg | geko: try #knoppix |
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| 16:01.37 | geko | it is based upon knoppix, wich is based on debian |
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| 16:01.43 | lakcaj | asg, would it be the "PCI Bridge"? I'm not that fluent with chip architectures, so I really don't know what I"m talking about ;) |
| 16:01.44 | geko | it uses apt-get... |
| 16:01.51 | asg | geko: a bastard grandchild, don't care. |
| 16:02.02 | geko | asg: un? |
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| 16:02.09 | EmleyMoor | !based on debian |
| 16:02.09 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 16:02.21 | asg | geko: there are lots of things based on debian. We don't care and, more importantly, don't support them here. |
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| 16:02.39 | geko | asg: okay, thanks. |
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| 16:02.43 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 16:06.25 | cokeblood | hey guys i'm back |
| 16:06.27 | cokeblood | x works now |
| 16:06.41 | cokeblood | are you running from me dvs? O_o |
| 16:06.42 | w00ter | Beatrix, it would be nice if they put in a mediaplayer. But they kinda refues |
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| 16:06.53 | dvs | cokeblood: ...maybe.... ;-) |
| 16:06.57 | cokeblood | anyway i still have some problems with my pppoe |
| 16:07.17 | cokeblood | when i setup it, and tell debian to start it says "the connection is now enabled" |
| 16:07.27 | cokeblood | but i can't open any webpage or ping anything |
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| 16:07.36 | dvs | cokeblood: Can you ping an IP address? |
| 16:07.44 | coreyo | is there a problem with the ieee80211 generic stack or ipw2200 wireless driver and DHCP in the 2.6.13 kernel? |
| 16:08.01 | asg | coreyo: ##kernel might know |
| 16:08.10 | cokeblood | hmm i haven't tried with an ip but i think it's the same if i try to ping www.google.it or it's ip |
| 16:08.15 | coreyo | asg: good idea :) |
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| 16:08.22 | dvs | cokeblood: Not not necessarily |
| 16:08.24 | EmleyMoor | cokeblood: Do try with an IP |
| 16:08.31 | asg | coreyo: #kernel rather |
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| 16:08.34 | `Ku | Will this install on a thinkpad T43 good or not? |
| 16:08.35 | cokeblood | argh i have to reboot again! |
| 16:08.41 | cokeblood | anyway first i want you to check out a thing |
| 16:08.42 | m2 | cokeblood: ifconfig should tell you about the configured interfaces, your pppoe interface should be there, then you can see if it's got an IP assigned to it. |
| 16:08.58 | m2 | cokeblood: route -n should tell you if there's a route set up |
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| 16:09.08 | coreyo | asg: I was able to figure that out :) |
| 16:09.08 | asg | `Ku: check linux-laptops.org for user reports |
| 16:09.12 | m2 | cokeblood: and cat /etc/resolv.conf should tell you if there's a nameserver set up. |
| 16:09.13 | cokeblood | i tried to run i ran ifconfig and plog |
| 16:09.18 | amphi | `Ku: works well on my t42 |
| 16:09.30 | `Ku | KED does not like my T43 |
| 16:09.43 | amphi | `Ku: look at http://linux-laptop.net/ |
| 16:10.17 | cokeblood | but the output are various lines. |
| 16:10.21 | cokeblood | i can't past them here |
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| 16:10.46 | amphi | cokeblood: #flood |
| 16:10.52 | m2 | cokeblood: paste them in http://pastebin.com/ |
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| 16:11.19 | Webby` | hELP! When I type alsaconf it searches for a sound card, then it says no supported pnp or pci card found |
| 16:11.24 | Webby` | What do i do? |
| 16:11.45 | dvs | Webby`: lspci | grep audio |
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| 16:12.04 | cokeblood | i pasted in #flood |
| 16:12.06 | EmleyMoor | Oh, while I think about it, is there a way to inhibit dhcp when there's no cable connected to eth0? |
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| 16:12.19 | cokeblood | hmm but noone was there |
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| 16:12.36 | asg | EmleyMoor: ifplugd iirc |
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| 16:12.52 | Webby` | dvs: That didn't work, it still says the same thing |
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| 16:13.15 | rbochan | mode rbochan +E |
| 16:13.16 | dvs | Webby`: It says what? |
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| 16:13.38 | EmleyMoor | What's a good piece of hardware to plug in to my existing wired network to add wireless to it? |
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| 16:13.47 | rbochan | mmm...yummy kde3.4.2 goodness... |
| 16:13.50 | Webby` | dvs: It says no supported pnp or pci card found |
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| 16:13.50 | cokeblood | ok |
| 16:13.58 | kanooo | help me cant install pacman & nedit...... |
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| 16:14.01 | kanooo | help the newbie |
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| 16:14.06 | asg | EmleyMoor: I've got a generic netgear wireless router that works okay. Also, building your own with Debian or OpenBSD is an option. |
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| 16:14.10 | dvs | Webby`: it shouldn't have said that. |
| 16:14.11 | cokeblood | i pasted them in http://pastebin.com/ |
| 16:14.12 | EmleyMoor | kanooo: What release of Debian are you using? |
| 16:14.17 | clarissa | the hardware OpenGL doesnt work i've tryed to download and install the original nvidia linux drivers but that doesnt work either |
| 16:14.24 | dvs | Webby`: That's not one of the possible outputs |
| 16:14.30 | cokeblood | i used "cokeblood" name |
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| 16:14.34 | kanooo | im using debian sid |
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| 16:14.46 | EmleyMoor | sid often breaks! |
| 16:14.53 | asg | kanooo: and you don't know how to install pacman and nedit? |
| 16:14.54 | Webby` | dvs: I type lspci | grep audio and nothing happens |
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| 16:15.16 | kanooo | im using kanotix which is debian sid based |
| 16:15.16 | lakcaj | How do I find what modules to load for the AMD-760 chipset? |
| 16:15.17 | cyc | re |
| 16:15.21 | kanooo | i know but i cant! |
| 16:15.23 | asg | kanooo: #kanotix, bye |
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| 16:15.29 | dvs | Webby`: Then I guess your sound card is not on the PCI bus |
| 16:15.36 | kanooo | it says "cant stat source package list something...... |
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| 16:15.45 | Webby` | dvs: How do I get it in the PCI bus |
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| 16:15.52 | asg | kanooo: vi /etc/apt/sources.list. Fix it. |
| 16:15.56 | EmleyMoor | !tell kanooo about based on debian |
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| 16:16.09 | dvs | Webby`: You don't "get it" to a PCI bus. It's either there or not. |
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| 16:16.21 | Webby` | So there's nothing I can do about it? |
| 16:16.24 | kanooo | how to fix it? plz guide |
| 16:16.32 | m2 | *sigh* IP address obscuring... |
| 16:16.33 | asg | kanooo: /j #kanotix ; /part #debian |
| 16:16.37 | dvs | Webby`: What chipset is it? |
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| 16:17.11 | lakcaj | clarissa, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html <<< did you follow the instructions from there? |
| 16:17.13 | Webby` | dvs: It's Realtek alc 880 |
| 16:17.16 | m2 | cokeblood: paste the output of route -n |
| 16:17.22 | cyc | can anyone help me with my apt-get/dpkg problem? apt-get upgrade says I have to install libarchive-zip-perl, but I have already installed that version, and worse - if I do try to apt-get upgrade, the download fails because of md5sum mismatch ... and my source of .deb files is http://ftp.nl.debian.org, I'm using sarge amd64 |
| 16:17.25 | dvs | Webby`: The motherboard chipset |
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| 16:17.48 | Webby` | dvs: I don't know |
| 16:17.48 | m2 | cokeblood: and it *really* makes things easier if you don't obscure your IP addresss... we all know your IP address already. |
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| 16:18.01 | Webby` | dvs: How do I find out? I type lspci and it's not listed |
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| 16:18.19 | cokeblood | oh |
| 16:18.20 | cokeblood | ok |
| 16:18.30 | cokeblood | thanks m2 |
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| 16:18.36 | dvs | Webby`: In lspci, it should be "PCI bridge" |
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| 16:19.05 | cokeblood | i'll reboot and past non-obscured things (ny ip is dynamic) and the output of route -n |
| 16:19.08 | cokeblood | see ya in a bit |
| 16:19.10 | Webby` | dvs: It's intel corp. 82801 PCI bridge (rev d3) |
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| 16:19.42 | dvs | Webby`: What is the "Host bridge"? |
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| 16:20.37 | Webby` | dvs: Intel Corp. 915G/P/GV Processor to I/O controller (rev 04) |
| 16:20.52 | dvs | Webby`: Thought so. You're chipset is too new |
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| 16:21.16 | Webby` | dvs: So I can't get any sound then? |
| 16:21.21 | abrotman | dvs: your |
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| 16:21.35 | dvs | Webby`: What kernel do you have? |
| 16:21.50 | dvs | abrotman: my what?... ;-) |
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| 16:22.02 | dvs | abrotman: Oh.. ok ... I get you |
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| 16:22.09 | abrotman | yes you do! |
| 16:22.09 | EmleyMoor | dvs: Language, Timothy! <g> |
| 16:22.10 | cyc | anyone? :D |
| 16:22.31 | vladster | I have a challenge for anyone here, How can I install debian on a TI Extensa 560 without a cd drive |
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| 16:22.31 | abrotman | ask #debian-amd64 |
| 16:22.35 | Webby` | dvs: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 16:22.39 | abrotman | vladster: floppies |
| 16:22.42 | vladster | and only 16 megs ram |
| 16:22.46 | cyc | ok, didn't know that it does exist, thanks |
| 16:22.47 | abrotman | floppies |
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| 16:23.02 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 16:23.03 | dpkg | somebody said sarge floppies was http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
| 16:23.08 | dvs | Webby`: Yeah, you'll need a newer kernel. And chances are you'll have to compile your own |
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| 16:23.39 | Webby` | ok |
| 16:23.43 | kanooo | s this ok # Unstable |
| 16:23.44 | kanooo | <kanooo> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 16:23.44 | kanooo | <kanooo> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 16:23.44 | kanooo | <kanooo> # Sources |
| 16:23.44 | kanooo | <kanooo> deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
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| 16:23.45 | EmleyMoor | 2.6.13 is current newest and I don't know whether that will help you, Webby |
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| 16:24.00 | abrotman | asg: didn't you already send him to #kanotix ? |
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| 16:24.10 | dvs | EmleyMoor: Yes, 2.6.13 will |
| 16:24.15 | Webby` | ok, thanks :( |
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| 16:24.36 | dvs | But 2.6.13 won't shut down properly for me. |
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| 16:24.58 | SimonRaven | PLEASE NOTE THAT IF YOU ARE USING 2.6.13 PLEASE SEE LKML FOR A JFS BUG. PATCH ON LKML |
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| 16:25.11 | abrotman | or don't use jfs |
| 16:25.14 | dvs | SimonRaven: That's not all that wrong. |
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| 16:25.52 | asg | abrotman: yes, I did. I even told him how to fix things. |
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| 16:26.03 | jeff88 | hey, has anyone heard of a problem downloading KDE? |
| 16:26.13 | abrotman | in sid? etch? sarge? |
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| 16:26.28 | jeff88 | abrotman: just with apt |
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| 16:26.39 | EmleyMoor | My testing box has been up 263 days! |
| 16:26.39 | abrotman | are you using sid/etch/sarge? |
| 16:26.59 | jeff88 | i know this is stupid, but of the OS or of kde |
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| 16:27.08 | clarissa | does somebody know here how to enable hardware accelerated OpenGL ? because i can only use software emulation and this is very slow |
| 16:27.11 | abrotman | jeff88: in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:27.13 | asg | EmleyMoor: 12:26:35 up 376 days, 4:36, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 (primary nameserver) |
| 16:27.26 | valdyn_ | clarissa: in which gfx card? |
| 16:27.29 | SimonRaven | dvs: what do you mean? could you translate what you said? |
| 16:27.31 | clarissa | 5700 |
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| 16:27.42 | abrotman | 12:26:35 up 588 days, 4:36, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 16:27.54 | EmleyMoor | !start an uptime war |
| 16:27.55 | amphi | clarissa: what video card? |
| 16:27.58 | dvs | SimonRaven: There's more than just a JFS problem if I have trouble shutting down. |
| 16:28.00 | vladster | My work pays for mine |
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| 16:28.03 | valdyn_ | clarissa: you mean nvidia 5700 ? |
| 16:28.04 | SimonRaven | "my uptime-penis is bigger than your uptime-penis" |
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| 16:28.18 | clarissa | amphi geforce5700 (Leadtek WinFast A360TD) |
| 16:28.34 | EmleyMoor | 263 days is currently my record for a Linux box |
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| 16:28.36 | valdyn_ | clarissa: '/msg dpkg nvdia' and '/msg dpg nvidia one-liner' |
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| 16:28.52 | m2 | clarissa: did you compile the nvidia modules? |
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| 16:29.14 | clarissa | um m2 the compiling was automated |
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| 16:29.19 | clarissa | and the one-liner i have allready |
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| 16:29.38 | crashbg | hi guys; i've just installed webmin via apt but i can access it only from the local machine; i've tried to add another ip addresses or to disable the ip access control but it gives me Error - Access denied for `myip` |
| 16:29.48 | jeff88 | abrotman: i have unstable right now, so i think sarge |
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| 16:29.57 | ma3x | abrotman, what happened with the flac? |
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| 16:30.23 | m2 | clarissa: ok, did you install nvidia-glx, too? |
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| 16:30.34 | abrotman | ma3x: plays fine for me |
| 16:30.39 | abrotman | jeff88: that's sid |
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| 16:30.48 | abrotman | jeff88: #debian-de |
| 16:30.51 | abrotman | jeff88: #debian-kde |
| 16:30.58 | jeff88 | abrotman: thanks |
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| 16:31.18 | ma3x | abrotman, why not for me? |
| 16:31.19 | clarissa | m2 no i didnt couldnt know do i install this with apt-get install ? |
| 16:31.29 | abrotman | duno |
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| 16:31.46 | dvs | abrotman: dunno ;-) |
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| 16:32.10 | clarissa | okay installed nvidia-glx and now? @ m2 |
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| 16:33.17 | m2 | clarissa: ok, now examine /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. There's a "Device" section ... |
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| 16:33.28 | m2 | clarissa: when you find that, in that section there's a "Driver" line. |
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| 16:33.42 | clarissa | huh? what do you mean? |
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| 16:33.54 | m2 | clarissa: or you could paste the entire file to http://pastebin.com/ and let me have a look at it |
| 16:33.59 | crashbg | please does anyone know what's wrong with webmin |
| 16:34.06 | valdyn_ | clarissa: all this stuff is already in the nvidia one-liner fyi, you DIDNT do it. |
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| 16:34.18 | asg | !webmin |
| 16:34.19 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
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| 16:34.53 | tchino | when i send emails over exim, i get the message, that: == theimrot@gmx.de R=smart_route T=remote_smtp defer (0): expansion of "${extract{$sender_address_local_part} {tchino=GEHEIM-tchino} {$value} fail}" failed in fixed_cram authenticator |
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| 16:34.59 | cokeblood | hi mates |
| 16:35.02 | cokeblood | i'm back |
| 16:35.05 | clarissa | valdyn_ last time i say it -.- first i installed the one-liner for nvidia and it doesnt work with hardware OpenGL here... |
| 16:35.06 | h3xis | told you |
| 16:35.06 | asg | tchino: #exim is your friend |
| 16:35.12 | cokeblood | lol dvs |
| 16:35.29 | cokeblood | yes i'm back, back again. yes i'm back, yes i'm back, yes i'm back. =P |
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| 16:35.53 | h3xis | anyone know why alsamixer doesn't save my settings? everytime i reboot everything is set back to what it originall was and i can't hear anything. |
| 16:35.55 | clarissa | m2 : http://pastebin.com/353685 |
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| 16:35.59 | cokeblood | can someone tell me again that paste site url so i can paste my output pleasE? don't remember it ^^ |
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| 16:36.01 | cokeblood | oh |
| 16:36.03 | cokeblood | that's it |
| 16:36.07 | cokeblood | pastebin |
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| 16:36.42 | asg | h3xis: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 16:36.44 | m2 | clarissa: ok, that's fine, now I'd like to have a look at /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 16:37.30 | h3xis | thank you asg |
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| 16:38.27 | clarissa | m2: i cant copy it from the mc editor mode :( |
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| 16:38.43 | cokeblood | m2 this is are my outputs http://pastebin.com/353686 |
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| 16:38.49 | cokeblood | *these |
| 16:38.50 | clarissa | how to open the xfree86 config-4 for copy? |
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| 16:40.08 | lw | hello |
| 16:40.10 | m2 | clarissa: you could "less /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" and copy one screenful at a time... |
| 16:40.10 | clarissa | oh i've found it |
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| 16:40.29 | dvs | cokeblood: That "route -n" is wrong |
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| 16:40.40 | clarissa | m2: http://pastebin.com/353688 |
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| 16:40.49 | lw | im trying to install the nvidia drivers on Debian 3.1. non of the how-tos realy helped me. |
| 16:40.56 | cokeblood | so what i have to do? |
| 16:40.57 | asg | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:40.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 16:41.09 | lw | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:41.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 16:41.13 | m2 | cokeblood: do you have any idea what that 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 is? |
| 16:41.19 | m2 | cokeblood: line 19. |
| 16:41.24 | cokeblood | no |
| 16:41.33 | clarissa | m2: http://pastebin.com/353688 <---thats my XF86Config-4 |
| 16:41.38 | cokeblood | no idea |
| 16:41.41 | Destroyer661 | anyone know what would make grub ignore the timeout command? |
| 16:42.01 | m2 | cokeblood: because it seems to me that your gateway should be 192.168.100.1 but it is 192.168.1.1 |
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| 16:42.40 | lw | what sources do i have to add to the sorces.list in order to user the oneliner? |
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| 16:42.49 | m2 | clarissa: see line 72? Driver "nv" |
| 16:42.55 | m2 | clarissa: change "nv" to "nvidia" |
| 16:42.58 | cokeblood | so m2, have any idea? |
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| 16:43.03 | valdyn_ | lw: why dont you ask dpkg as you were told? |
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| 16:43.10 | m2 | clarissa: and comment out line 35 |
| 16:43.10 | dvs | cokeblood: your /etc/resolv.conf file is wrong |
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| 16:43.14 | clarissa | yes m2 last time i changed it to nvidia it crashed with error "could module not started" |
| 16:43.19 | m2 | clarissa: and 36, too. |
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| 16:43.31 | cokeblood | dvs, how should i edit that file? |
| 16:43.39 | m2 | clarissa: I guess it's because the kernel module wasn't available |
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| 16:43.53 | dvs | cokeblood: With your favorite editor. |
| 16:43.59 | lw | how do i ask "him"? |
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| 16:44.04 | dvs | lw: pray |
| 16:44.05 | lw | !non-free sources |
| 16:44.05 | dpkg | well, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 16:44.07 | cokeblood | i mean, what do i have to change? |
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| 16:44.22 | dvs | cokeblood: It depends where your nameserver is. |
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| 16:44.42 | clarissa | m2: do you mean deleting from 'Load "GLCore" ' and 'Load "dri" ' ? |
| 16:44.50 | m2 | clarissa: right. |
| 16:44.57 | cokeblood | this is all i got inside that file, and i don' tknow what a name server is :( |
| 16:44.59 | cokeblood | search home |
| 16:44.59 | cokeblood | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
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| 16:45.12 | dvs | cokeblood: is 192.168.1.1 your nameserver? |
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| 16:45.48 | m2 | cokeblood: do you have a local network at home? |
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| 16:45.51 | cokeblood | dvs, i don't even know what a nameserver is!! do you mean a DNS? the one of my provider? |
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| 16:45.57 | dvs | cokeblood: yes |
| 16:45.59 | clarissa | m2: now a restart? |
| 16:46.05 | cokeblood | no, no local networks, just my pc connected to the internet via pppoe |
| 16:46.07 | cokeblood | ok |
| 16:46.12 | cokeblood | let me check my dns |
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| 16:46.18 | m2 | clarissa: /sbin/lsmod | grep nvidia |
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| 16:46.25 | m2 | clarissa: just to make sure the module is loaded |
| 16:46.40 | A-Z-I-Z | hello, is there a GUI application that shows battery level ? (KDE app maybe? ) |
| 16:46.48 | clarissa | with the command above i load the module? |
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| 16:47.01 | m2 | cokeblood: you DNS is in http://pastebin.com/353686, lines 4 and 5 |
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| 16:47.17 | m2 | cokeblood: install resolvconf I guess |
| 16:47.28 | cokeblood | my primary DNS is 85.37.17.17 and the secondary is 151.99.125.1 |
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| 16:47.31 | Maulkin | A-Z-I-Z: use 'apt-cache search battery' and pick one from there :) |
| 16:47.41 | A-Z-I-Z | :) |
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| 16:47.42 | m2 | clarissa: no, that command tells you if the module is loaded |
| 16:47.43 | dvs | cokeblood: that's what should be in your resolv.conf file |
| 16:47.56 | clarissa | okay then restart x server ? |
| 16:47.58 | cokeblood | so |
| 16:48.06 | cokeblood | ok |
| 16:48.06 | cokeblood | got that |
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| 16:48.13 | cokeblood | how can i specify 2 nameservers in that file then? |
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| 16:48.17 | mfrisch | I have tried to burn a cue/bin useing cdrecord once with k3b both time it got through about one track, am I doing something wrong, is it my new drive? |
| 16:48.19 | m2 | clarissa: if the module is loaded, then you can restart your X server. |
| 16:48.21 | dvs | cokeblood: On two different lines |
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| 16:48.46 | clarissa | when i write as su in terminal " /sbin/lsmod | grep nvidia " nothing happening |
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| 16:48.55 | mfrisch | I have 2.4 now but was useing 2.6 |
| 16:48.58 | m2 | clarissa: that's bad :-P |
| 16:49.00 | clarissa | only new line opened to write |
| 16:49.02 | clarissa | ._. |
| 16:49.07 | m2 | clarissa: try 'modprobe nvidia' |
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| 16:49.21 | clarissa | nothing happened |
| 16:49.30 | m2 | clarissa: that's good :-) |
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| 16:49.33 | clarissa | new line i have now |
| 16:49.38 | clarissa | and now? |
| 16:49.40 | zepeuga | when running mysqld i have this error: 050903 18:49:34 Fatal error: Can't open privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist |
| 16:49.41 | m2 | clarissa: try '/sbin/lsmod | grep nvidia' again. |
| 16:49.53 | clarissa | i see something :D |
| 16:50.05 | mfrisch | zepeuga in testing |
| 16:50.08 | m2 | clarissa: ok, now you can restart your X server. |
| 16:50.11 | Maulkin | zepeuga: looks like the mysql internal database is corrupted. |
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| 16:50.13 | cokeblood | dvs: ok, thanks |
| 16:50.32 | clarissa | with alt+ctrl+<- ? |
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| 16:50.36 | dvs | cokeblood: Also, what's in your /etc/network/interfaces file. |
| 16:50.49 | m2 | clarissa: ctrl+alt+backspace |
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| 16:51.01 | zepeuga | mfrisch, Maulkin, yes in testing. how can i resolve it ? |
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| 16:51.09 | clarissa | and when it give a error then? and i must make all undo in the config-4 ? |
| 16:51.19 | clarissa | for start x server |
| 16:51.22 | ron1n541 | does anyone if it would be possible to run debian on an old school fujitsu tablet? |
| 16:51.25 | Maulkin | zepeuga: checkign |
| 16:51.35 | m2 | clarissa: if it doesn't work, it's enough to revert the driver to "nv" instead of "nvidia" |
| 16:51.50 | clarissa | okay |
| 16:51.58 | ke6isf | !possible |
| 16:51.58 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
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| 16:52.17 | w00ter | Is apt-get smart enough to install modules-init-tools to the latest version when you install a 2.6 kernel via apt? |
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| 16:52.41 | cokeblood | dns, i'm pasting that on pastebin |
| 16:52.44 | Roots | I finally got in! Stupid overflow channel :P |
| 16:52.56 | cokeblood | pasted |
| 16:52.57 | ke6isf | w00ter: It'll install whatever modules-init-tools is in its requirement fields, if it's not already there. |
| 16:52.59 | EmleyMoor | w00ter: I would think so - I would think it's intelligent enough to keep all necessary versions |
| 16:53.03 | mfrisch | zepeuga I just want to know because I was about to update to testing. I was getting other internal errors...different ones. I tried mysql_installdb with no luck try it |
| 16:53.07 | vladster | ron1n541: I am running it an a Unysis pentiun 166 with 128 megs ram and no cd drive |
| 16:53.14 | ron1n541 | well i have a fujitsu stylistic 3400 and since it runs an x86 arc i assumed it would run well, my only question is, how would i obtain touch pad drivers? |
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| 16:53.58 | abrotman | !synatpics |
| 16:54.01 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 16:54.47 | dpkg | it has been said that synaptics is http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#Download, or for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics, or try modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse if its not working |
| 16:54.47 | vladster | I would suggest google first |
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| 16:54.49 | Maulkin | zepeuga: as root, can you please do "ls -l /var/lib/mysql/mysql/host.*" |
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| 16:55.04 | cokeblood | dns, that's my /etc/network/interfaces. i want also to ask you if the first line in resolv.conf should be "search home" or what else |
| 16:55.04 | lw | is there anything i have to do after the nvidia oneliner? |
| 16:55.16 | vladster | The next thing I suggest is here, this may have more info http://linux-laptop.net/ |
| 16:55.31 | dvs | cokeblood: you talking to me? |
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| 16:55.55 | cokeblood | dvs yeah, sorry for the mispelling |
| 16:55.58 | clarissa | m2: it doesnt work i must reset to "nv" and the game doesnt start :/ |
| 16:55.59 | ke6isf | clarissa: welcome back. =^^= |
| 16:56.11 | clarissa | ke6isf thx ^^ |
| 16:56.16 | ron1n541 | i researched it on linux-on-laptops and tux-tops as well and both were dead ends |
| 16:56.28 | __filip_ | i am now in ubuntu but i have installed Debian on my hda6, how can i add debian to GRUB ? i know i should do that in /boot/grub/menu.lst but what should i write? |
| 16:56.32 | zepeuga | Maulkin, i've done what mfrish said "mysql_install_db" and now doesn't give any error, just stops inmysqld: ready for connections. |
| 16:56.32 | zepeuga | Version: '4.0.24_Debian-10-log' socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' port: 3306 Source distribution |
| 16:56.32 | zepeuga | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.38 | dvs | cokeblood: The "search" line should be the top level domain of your provider. As for the pastebin link, what is it? |
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| 16:56.42 | clarissa | i'll give you the error message wait |
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| 16:56.51 | Maulkin | zepeuga: That should be ok then :) |
| 16:56.51 | ke6isf | !tell zepeuga -about flood |
| 16:57.15 | m2 | clarissa: can you paste /var/log/XFree86.log ? |
| 16:57.19 | vladster | ron1n541: this is not your model but this is the closest thing I can find http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fujitsu-tablet-suse.html |
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| 16:57.23 | FieldySnuts | yeah, the whole thing. |
| 16:57.24 | clarissa | m2 yes wait |
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| 16:57.36 | m2 | clarissa: can you paste /var/log/XFree86.0.log.old is the right now, probably. |
| 16:57.59 | clarissa | okay |
| 16:57.59 | lw | how do i restart x? |
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| 16:58.04 | clarissa | !pastebin |
| 16:58.04 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca |
| 16:58.07 | ke6isf | lw: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace |
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| 16:58.10 | __filip_ | can someone past there /boot/grub/menu.lst in an pm to me then i thing i will fix it. |
| 16:58.16 | cokeblood | dvs, the pastbin file is my /etc/network/interfaces file. what do you mean with top level domain? the primary dns? |
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| 16:58.20 | lw | thx |
| 16:58.23 | zepeuga | Maulkin, what's the command to start mysqld ? i do "mysql start" and it shows:ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 16:58.23 | zepeuga | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:58.29 | lw | bye ;) |
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| 16:58.34 | takatumi | need to print, got cups and hpij installed, added printer via localhost:631, printing a test page gives no output, where should I start looking? |
| 16:58.35 | ron1n541 | ;( |
| 16:58.37 | dvs | cokeblood: The part after the "@" in your email address |
| 16:58.37 | ron1n541 | ;( |
| 16:58.39 | Maulkin | SimonRaven: /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 16:58.45 | ke6isf | '!tld |
| 16:58.45 | clarissa | whats the domain for pastebin? o.o |
| 16:58.47 | amphi | zepeuga: try /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 16:58.48 | ke6isf | !tld |
| 16:58.49 | dpkg | methinks tld is top level domain. .com, .org, .edu, and so on; also includes the country top-level domains .au, .it, .cx and so on, or see http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-whois.htm for a complete listing |
| 16:58.51 | ron1n541 | i wanted to stay true to debian, but their is a dearth of documentation |
| 16:58.54 | takatumi | !paster |
| 16:58.54 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 16:59.39 | m2 | clarissa: the one you used before is pastebin.com |
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| 17:00.02 | ron1n541 | aliright ill attempt suse, thank you |
| 17:00.05 | ke6isf | ron1n541: What you have is an odd case. Be patient. |
| 17:00.13 | zepeuga | amphi, Maulkin : /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 17:00.13 | zepeuga | error: 'Access denied for user: 'debian-sys-maint@localhost' (Using password: YES)' |
| 17:00.15 | clarissa | m2: the old ending log is only a file with this green emblem i cant open only the normal is a text file |
| 17:00.20 | ke6isf | Ah well. |
| 17:00.22 | FieldySnuts | dearth of documentation is bad? |
| 17:00.28 | Maulkin | zepeuga: Are you doing that as root? |
| 17:00.34 | zepeuga | yes |
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| 17:00.38 | ron1n541 | very |
| 17:00.41 | FieldySnuts | ookay |
| 17:00.44 | Maulkin | xinud: Well, looks like it's started then. |
| 17:00.46 | ke6isf | FieldySnuts: Well, yeah. If we tell people to RTFM, they go "What M?". |
| 17:00.48 | Maulkin | ack... |
| 17:00.48 | takatumi | dpkg says footmatic-gui, getting it. |
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| 17:01.02 | FieldySnuts | i guess they'd rather be hand held shrug |
| 17:01.02 | derobert | Ugh. Just did apt-get dist-upgrade (testing), and now everything dpkg tries to do breaks with "*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x(address) ***" |
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| 17:01.05 | AlexBO | HELLO!I need your help. I have to install wine, but i can't find it with synaptic.what repository have i to add? |
| 17:01.08 | Maulkin | zepeuga: looks like it's started. Can you connect with your username and password? |
| 17:01.09 | derobert | Anyone heard of this problem? |
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| 17:01.21 | ke6isf | AlexBO: 'apt-get install wine' |
| 17:01.22 | __filip_ | what should i write for kernel an initrd if i whant to add debian to my grub? |
| 17:01.30 | Maulkin | zepeuga: Or, as root, just do "mysql" |
| 17:01.48 | ke6isf | AlexBO: wine is in main. do 'apt-cache policy wine' to double check this. |
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| 17:02.13 | zepeuga | Your MySQL connection id is 6 to server version: 4.0.24_Debian-10-log |
| 17:02.16 | cokeblood | dvs, is that line in resolv.conf really important? my domain is pretty weird |
| 17:02.19 | takatumi | no print-gurus around? |
| 17:02.25 | cokeblood | i got some problems with that |
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| 17:02.33 | AlexBO | ke6isf, Package wine is not available |
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| 17:02.37 | takatumi | cokeblood: what kinda problems? |
| 17:02.42 | SimonRaven | Maulkin: mis-fire on your tab? ;) |
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| 17:02.53 | ke6isf | AlexBO: =O.o= Are you on the net repositories, or...? |
| 17:03.02 | Maulkin | SimonRaven: Yup :) |
| 17:03.16 | AlexBO | ke6isf, i have not add repositories |
| 17:03.28 | ke6isf | AlexBO: Well, there's your problem. Run apt-setup and have fun. |
| 17:03.41 | cokeblood | takatumi: it's too long to explain, nothing important anyway. |
| 17:03.59 | ke6isf | AlexBO: You NEED security.debian.org, you will want to get one or two extra repos in. |
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| 17:04.32 | vladster | Ist it possible to pull the hardive out of the laptop and do a bootstrap install? |
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| 17:05.03 | FieldySnuts | heh. you've obviously never worked on laptops |
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| 17:06.42 | AlexBO | ke6isf, how can i add a repository?i add a line into sources.list, but it seems incorrect |
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| 17:08.22 | ke6isf | AlexBO: I told you, use apt-setup. |
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| 17:08.46 | cokeblood | ok guys, thanks a lot fot the help. i'll boot debian and try if everything works now |
| 17:08.51 | ke6isf | !apt-setup |
| 17:08.51 | dpkg | methinks apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. |
| 17:08.54 | cokeblood | see ya |
| 17:08.58 | ke6isf | cokeblood: Have fun. |
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| 17:09.28 | vladster | ok got chores to do, bbl have fun all |
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| 17:11.11 | AlexBO | ke6isf, it doesn't worl |
| 17:11.15 | AlexBO | ke6isf, it doesn't work |
| 17:11.22 | ke6isf | AlexBO: What are the symptoms? |
| 17:11.22 | AlexBO | ke6isf, it makes an error |
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| 17:11.50 | AlexBO | ke6isf, can i write the error in pv? |
| 17:12.00 | ke6isf | !flood |
| 17:12.01 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 17:12.14 | ke6isf | AlexBO: ...as such, please post one line - the pertinent one. |
| 17:12.33 | AlexBO | ke6isf, eheh...not in time |
| 17:12.53 | ke6isf | AlexBO: OK, use pastebin then. URL is at the end of dpkg's last message. |
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| 17:14.11 | AlexBO | ke6isf, sorry, i don't understand |
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| 17:14.21 | ke6isf | !pastebin |
| 17:14.21 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca |
| 17:14.23 | lw | it works ;) |
| 17:14.26 | lw | thx all ;) |
| 17:14.47 | AlexBO | ke6isf, what's pastebin? |
| 17:14.50 | ke6isf | AlexBO: Better yet, go to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 17:15.13 | ke6isf | It's a spot where you copy your text into, post a URL on the channel, and we go and look at it. |
| 17:15.21 | AlexBO | ke6isf, so, there aren't solutions? |
| 17:15.24 | Maulkin | (as a note, http://channels.debian.net/paste/ doesn't currently list #debian) |
| 17:15.36 | ke6isf | AlexBO: I didn't say that. I said go to pastebin and paste your error. |
| 17:15.44 | AlexBO | okey |
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| 17:15.48 | lw | is there any free dvd-player for debian / linux in general |
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| 17:15.55 | gravity | totem |
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| 17:16.08 | mage_ | like mplayer with decss plugin? |
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| 17:16.20 | Wuanachis | hola |
| 17:16.24 | ke6isf | !es |
| 17:16.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:16.24 | Wuanachis | alguien puede ayudarme? |
| 17:16.27 | Maulkin | lw: mythtv? |
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| 17:16.42 | mage_ | actually last time I played dvds on a non windows box was with freebsd |
| 17:17.11 | amphi | mplayer works well here |
| 17:17.25 | SerajewelKS | i'm setting up a debian box for someone. it's been running for about two days, and the system clock is going twice as fast as it should. i've tried ntpdate, adjtimex -a (which fails), and installing ntp-simple. it's still going twice as fast. |
| 17:17.31 | lw | mplayer? but only with a plugin? |
| 17:17.32 | ke6isf | AlexBO: When you finish, paste the URL into the channel. |
| 17:18.30 | __filip_ | i have installed debian and then you need to reboot the computer and then i get an message that told me that i will choose tha application and more things that it will help me whit so i need to press ok but my keyboard doesent work, it work in Ubuntu. Is it someway i can make it work? |
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| 17:18.59 | cryptnix | __filip_: usb? |
| 17:19.03 | __filip_ | yes |
| 17:19.07 | mrwill | so I upgraded to sarge a while ago, and everything went fine, but now I just ran apt-setup to change my apt sources, and it seems to want to upgrade almost everything again. what gives? |
| 17:19.25 | cryptnix | hmm, do you have a usb to ps/2 adapter |
| 17:19.27 | abrotman | mrwill: are your sources pointing at sarge or testing or what ? |
| 17:19.34 | cryptnix | or |
| 17:19.37 | cryptnix | adaptor |
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| 17:19.43 | Maulkin | SerajewelKS: What timeserver are you syncing to? Does the box have access to a net connection? |
| 17:19.45 | __filip_ | cryptnix: no |
| 17:19.47 | amphi | mrwill: it's got 'testing' instead of 'sarge' or 'stable' in sources.list ? |
| 17:19.52 | abrotman | pool.ntp.org |
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| 17:20.04 | cryptnix | k, doubt your gonna get it to work ... find a keyboard and hook it up |
| 17:20.11 | cryptnix | don't mess with linux unless you got spare parts next time |
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| 17:20.23 | abrotman | that's bull .. usb keyboards work |
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| 17:20.37 | cryptnix | abrotman: yep, but in his state its useless |
| 17:20.39 | abrotman | and he should be able to set it to legacy in the bios |
| 17:20.42 | mrwill | holy cow, that's right, I don't know how I missed it. |
| 17:20.44 | ke6isf | cryptnix: Jane, you ignorant slut. Linux supports USB keyboards just fine. |
| 17:20.48 | __filip_ | my usb keyboard work in Ubuntu |
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| 17:20.56 | cryptnix | no crap! |
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| 17:21.04 | cryptnix | you serious!? |
| 17:21.10 | abrotman | !tell TheBlue about root |
| 17:21.11 | cryptnix | wow i've been in a damn hole |
| 17:21.13 | SerajewelKS | Maulkin, yes, i can sync with ntpdate. i'm using time-a.nist.gov |
| 17:21.20 | abrotman | pool.ntp.org |
| 17:21.25 | abrotman | don't use the A stratum |
| 17:21.26 | cryptnix | :) naw, honest just giving 'em a hard time |
| 17:21.28 | mrwill | well, I haven't actually upgraded any of these packages, is it safe to change this back to sarge? |
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| 17:21.32 | Maulkin | SerajewelKS: Liek abrotman suggested, I'd use pool.ntp.org :) |
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| 17:21.47 | mrwill | man, I knew something was really wrong when it wanted to upgrade libc6 |
| 17:21.51 | amphi | mrwill: yeah - then do apt-get update |
| 17:21.58 | SerajewelKS | Maulkin, abrotman, yeah i'm sure that'll slow the clock down... heh. not that i won't do it, but i really doubt that's the problem here. |
| 17:21.58 | gravity | mrwill: If you haven't actually upgraded, just updated apt's database, you can switch it and update again and it'll be fine |
| 17:22.03 | __filip_ | someone knows about my problem how i can get it work? |
| 17:22.16 | SerajewelKS | oh look |
| 17:22.24 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it's a courtesey .. they ask you to not do that |
| 17:22.30 | SerajewelKS | i didn't put a space between "server" and "time-a.nist.gov" |
| 17:22.37 | takatumi | the kernel identifies the printer as a scsi removable disk, hmm. |
| 17:22.42 | amphi | heh |
| 17:22.44 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you should always use pool.ntp.org |
| 17:22.49 | Maulkin | SerajewelKS: The actual problem sounds like a hardware problem |
| 17:22.51 | mrwill | cron-apt has automatically downloaded a lot of these packages though, how do I get rid of them? |
| 17:22.54 | cryptnix | __filip_: he told you |
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| 17:23.03 | ke6isf | !tell __filip_ -about ask |
| 17:23.05 | __filip_ | cryptnix: how? |
| 17:23.07 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, i should also always put spaces in the config file where they go =) |
| 17:23.15 | s0undt3ch | hello ppl |
| 17:23.15 | abrotman | good plan |
| 17:23.17 | amphi | mrwill: apt-cache clean perhaps - I've never used cron-apt |
| 17:23.19 | mage_ | eh time-a? |
| 17:23.25 | cryptnix | and i'm ignorant |
| 17:23.28 | cryptnix | nice |
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| 17:23.31 | cryptnix | haha |
| 17:23.38 | Maulkin | Sazpaimon: I'd still suggest using pool.ntp.org though :) |
| 17:23.48 | s0undt3ch | How do I add non-free packages to sources.list? |
| 17:23.53 | __filip_ | you meen that i will use another keyboard? |
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| 17:24.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, the reason i sync to one server is because i don't like the idea that with a pool of servers i might be a half second off the rest of them. it sounds too much like a hit-or-miss to me. |
| 17:24.09 | ke6isf | s0undt3ch: You know in your sources.list where it lists 'main' at the end? Replace each of those with 'main non-free'. |
| 17:24.10 | mage_ | woah is time.nist.gov the website or something? |
| 17:24.24 | mage_ | I just noticed that time, time-a and time-b all have different IPs |
| 17:24.31 | EmleyMoor | ntp works on "what I tell you three times is true" |
| 17:24.34 | zinx | ticktock |
| 17:24.43 | ke6isf | s0undt3ch: While you're in there, you may as well thrown in contrib just for good measure. |
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| 17:24.47 | s0undt3ch | ke6isf: that will use both free and non-free? |
| 17:24.51 | derobert | Ok. About the *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x089520e0 *** bug: Switch your debconf to a frontend other than readline, or install a new version of libterm-readline-gnu-perl (bug #304604) |
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| 17:25.04 | ke6isf | s0undt3ch: Yep. Just do apt-get update once you've done it. |
| 17:25.05 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that's how ntp works .. that's not supposed to happen . otherwise ntp would fail .. |
| 17:25.10 | s0undt3ch | ke6isf: k, thanks |
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| 17:25.11 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: use pool.ntp.org |
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| 17:25.24 | takatumi | HP PSC 2353 all-in-one, well right now it's all-in-none. ;-/ |
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| 17:25.27 | EmleyMoor | "main contrib non-free" gets you all three bits |
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| 17:25.38 | EmleyMoor | "contrib" is free software that won't work without non-free |
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| 17:25.44 | genera | SerajewelKS: did you reboot? |
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| 17:25.49 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, okay. now how long does it normally take to fix drift |
| 17:25.49 | __filip_ | is it impossibly for me to run Debian? |
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| 17:25.58 | Maulkin | SerajewelKS: ntp doesn't work like that :) |
| 17:26.01 | SerajewelKS | genera, the person who owns the box did, once |
| 17:26.02 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i slew mine when it's that far off :) |
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| 17:26.07 | ludde | why is it called "contrib" ? |
| 17:26.14 | nono31 | I installed a program to be able to mount, release my network connection, but I can't remember it right now... someone can help me ? |
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| 17:26.15 | abrotman | !contrib |
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| 17:26.16 | dpkg | i heard contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need contrib on the end. |
| 17:26.22 | SerajewelKS | Maulkin, IME it does.. it fixed my own clock |
| 17:26.30 | takatumi | foomatic-gui found the printer as well. pfft. |
| 17:26.30 | genera | sera, booting the box other OSes can make the clock jump. |
| 17:26.40 | ludde | abrotman: that doesn't explain why it's called contrib. |
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| 17:26.59 | abrotman | ludde: yes it does |
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| 17:27.01 | gravity | ludde: The packages in contrib aren't part of debian officially, so they're contributed |
| 17:27.04 | SerajewelKS | genera, we're talking drift here, not an incorrect clock. i can handle an incorrect clock. |
| 17:27.09 | mage_ | heh I stopped dual booting soley based on that |
| 17:27.11 | s0undt3ch | ke6isf: are there security updates for non-free also? ie, sould I add non free to deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main? |
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| 17:27.13 | genera | ntp, in contrast, is different. if the local clock is off by more than a few minutes i think it will tell you so and exit. |
| 17:27.24 | ke6isf | s0undt3ch: I believe there are, yes. |
| 17:27.27 | gravity | ludde: They can't be in Debian officially unless they don't depend on any non-free software |
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| 17:27.30 | EmleyMoor | Only packages that are free and do not need non-free can truly be part of Debian |
| 17:27.34 | zinx | SerajewelKS: why is drift a problem? |
| 17:27.41 | s0undt3ch | ke6isf: so deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main non-free? |
| 17:27.45 | takatumi | gravity: -6 works fine. are you good with printers. :) |
| 17:27.48 | ke6isf | s0undt3ch: Yep. |
| 17:27.49 | gravity | That's a good question though. I've never had to express it. |
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| 17:27.51 | SerajewelKS | zinx, it's drifting ahead an extra second per second |
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| 17:27.53 | gravity | takatumi: Ha! Not really :_) |
| 17:27.59 | s0undt3ch | ke6isf: add conrib in there too? |
| 17:28.00 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: actually .. using the pool is probably better anyways |
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| 17:28.03 | genera | so is it a drift problem, or is the clock exactly twice as fast, or is ntp failing? |
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| 17:28.05 | gravity | takatumi: What's your printing problem? I can try and help... but I guarntee nothing. |
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| 17:28.10 | mage_ | SerajewelKS: with or without ntpd running? |
| 17:28.12 | ke6isf | s0undt3ch: If you added contrib to your other repos |
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| 17:28.12 | zinx | SerajewelS: if you run an ntp daemon, it should use adjtimex to make it not drift at all |
| 17:28.15 | SerajewelKS | mage_, both |
| 17:28.22 | mage_ | nice |
| 17:28.22 | s0undt3ch | ke6isf: i did, k, thanks |
| 17:28.25 | SerajewelKS | zinx, should, yes. it's not. |
| 17:28.28 | ke6isf | s0undt3ch: Glad to help. |
| 17:28.28 | zinx | SerajewelKS: you may have to let it run for a bit |
| 17:28.32 | mage_ | did you overcloak it? |
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| 17:28.45 | zinx | SerajewelKS: is this a device with frequency scaling? |
| 17:28.51 | SerajewelKS | mage_, probably not. i don't have physical access to the box, but i doubt it is. |
| 17:28.57 | zinx | SerajewelKS: 'cause that'll fubar the time in many cases |
| 17:29.08 | SerajewelKS | zinx, you mean overclocking? |
| 17:29.09 | EmleyMoor | "overcloak"? Is that like hiding what hides it? |
| 17:29.11 | zinx | SerajewelKS: no |
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| 17:29.16 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 17:29.19 | zinx | SerajewelKS: i mean opportunisticly underclocking |
| 17:29.30 | genera | speedstepping |
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| 17:29.31 | zinx | SerajewelKS: i.e., under low load it might run at 1/2 the frequency |
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| 17:29.36 | SerajewelKS | zinx, i see. is there some way i can check for this? i recall something in /proc |
| 17:29.37 | mage_ | heh sounds like a job for an addon clock card :) |
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| 17:29.50 | zinx | SerajewelKS: i'm sure there's a way, but i've never had such a machine ;) |
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| 17:29.56 | SerajewelKS | zinx, woot |
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| 17:30.15 | zinx | <- poor |
| 17:30.16 | SerajewelKS | zinx, let's put it this way. MOST of the time the box is using 100% CPU, and it still happens |
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| 17:30.33 | zinx | SerajewelKS: that doesn't mean much :/ |
| 17:30.38 | genera | who made that box? |
| 17:30.48 | SerajewelKS | genera, i have no clue |
| 17:30.53 | zinx | SerajewelKS: check /var/log/ntpstats |
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| 17:31.02 | zinx | SerajewelKS: loopstats |
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| 17:31.32 | genera | SerajewelKS: pastebin dmesg ? |
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| 17:31.49 | takatumi | gravity: it's an HP PSC 2353 all-in-one, kernel picks it up as a scsi removable drive, foomatic-gui picks it up, set-up went well, can't print test page, cat foo to /dev/usb/lp0 as user gives no permission, as root, no erros, no output, cups and hpoj installed, no dice. |
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| 17:32.09 | SerajewelKS | whoa |
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| 17:32.19 | SerajewelKS | dmesg is filled with two messages, at random intervals |
| 17:32.23 | SerajewelKS | APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
| 17:32.32 | SerajewelKS | and : set_rtc_mmss: can't update from 59 to 9 |
| 17:32.33 | genera | cool |
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| 17:32.36 | takatumi | lemme try hpijs |
| 17:32.46 | zinx | SerajewelKS: that's bad :E |
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| 17:33.03 | SerajewelKS | zinx, okay |
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| 17:33.29 | gravity | takatumi: How is it connected to the machine? usb? |
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| 17:34.34 | takatumi | gravity: yeah, usb. |
| 17:34.45 | gravity | takatumi: What does lsusb say? |
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| 17:35.19 | FieldySnuts | heh. K_K_K got owned. |
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| 17:35.40 | takatumi | gravity: Bus 003 Device 003: ID 03f0:4911 Hewlett-Packard and 3 other lines. |
| 17:35.41 | FieldySnuts | K_K_K got "K" lined... that's even more amusing |
| 17:35.45 | headless | why, why does debian have such a completely __RETARDED__ approach to ABI transitions??? i sit down at my box to upgrade it today and spend two hours in a chroot from a live CD relinking ld-linux.so.2 and friends just so i can ls! |
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| 17:36.03 | headless | it's a testing machine. not unstable, testing. |
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| 17:36.28 | gravity | headless: Uh... how is it retarded? And could you maybe be a little less of a cock? |
| 17:36.57 | takatumi | gravity: does /dev/usb/lp0 sound like the right device? |
| 17:36.57 | gravity | takatumi: Ok. What the kernel says about the thing shouldn't matter. I don't think you should be using lp0 if it's connected via usb, but I've never set up a usb printer myself... |
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| 17:37.08 | gravity | takatumi: Yeah, try /dev/usb something |
| 17:37.11 | tcsetattr | what's the name of the thing that lets you run X without a mouse, and bind keys to move the pointer and press the buttons? |
| 17:37.20 | apprentice | how can i tell know how much disk space i have left |
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| 17:37.23 | FieldySnuts | df -h |
| 17:37.25 | takatumi | gravity: nothing other than lp0 in /dev/usb/ |
| 17:37.27 | Overfiend | tcsetattr: MouseKeys |
| 17:37.32 | headless | i get a friendly message telling me that libc6 2.3.2 will be upgraded to 2.3.5 and that xdm will be restarted in the process. next the process. next thing _BOOM_, X is down and i can't so much as ls. |
| 17:37.38 | Overfiend | tcsetattr: you active it with Shift+NumLock |
| 17:37.39 | gravity | takatumi: Try that |
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| 17:37.43 | SerajewelKS | zinx, still waiting for WHY that's bad |
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| 17:38.17 | derobert | headless: Really? Because the message actually says that you must restart xdm yourself, and that it won't do it for you, because that'll kill your x session. |
| 17:38.18 | Maulkin | headless: If you want to ensure that there's no breakage, I'd suggest stable. |
| 17:38.19 | Overfiend | tcsetattr: you have to start the X server with the -allowMouseOpenFail option |
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| 17:38.35 | Overfiend | tcsetattr: (to force it to start even if it can't find a mouse) |
| 17:38.36 | mage_ | headless: I'd recommend compiling a busybox that is set to use builtins over real ones for the shell |
| 17:38.38 | SerajewelKS | zinx, which message is "bad", the APIC error or the set_rtc_mmss? (guessing the latter) |
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| 17:38.48 | azeem | btw, there's no -allowKeybardOpenFail, right? |
| 17:38.58 | Overfiend | azeem: don't think so, no. |
| 17:38.59 | tcsetattr | Overfiend: is that built into the X server, or in a specific window manager? |
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| 17:39.11 | azeem | tcsetattr: that's a X command-line option |
| 17:39.12 | Overfiend | tcsetattr: It's built into the XFree86 and XOrg X servers. |
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| 17:39.22 | resiak | headless: You were upgrading from X, weren't you? |
| 17:39.24 | genera | SerajewelKS: set_rtc_mmss, dunno mmss but rtc is runtimeclock. |
| 17:39.33 | takatumi | gravity: no errors, no output, nothing useful in /var/log/cups/ |
| 17:39.33 | SerajewelKS | genera, real time clock |
| 17:39.41 | genera | ah. yes. |
| 17:39.42 | Overfiend | it's not part of the DIX layer, so it's not a "global" X server option |
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| 17:39.47 | takatumi | Overfiend: how's michelle? |
| 17:39.49 | headless | derobert i had no option. it said do you want to do this now? i chose YES at which point dpkg breaks due to crippling relocation erros against ld-linux.so.2 |
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| 17:39.53 | SerajewelKS | genera, that's why i figured that was the problem =) |
| 17:40.10 | tcsetattr | OK, now I just have to figure out how to emulate NumLock on a happy hacker keyboard... |
| 17:40.13 | gravity | takatumi: Hrm... I don't know. I really just have no experience with usb printers. Sorry... |
| 17:40.13 | Overfiend | takatumi: she might have a UTI, the doctor opened up her abcess, drained it, and put a long strip of gauze into it :-/ |
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| 17:40.22 | gravity | :-( |
| 17:40.27 | derobert | headless: Weird, because it certainly didn't restart gdm on me |
| 17:40.28 | resiak | headless: You ignored the message saying "if you're running this in X, stop now and come back when you're not", didn't you? |
| 17:40.29 | takatumi | gravity: cheers. :) |
| 17:40.29 | Overfiend | takatumi: he said it didn't look to bad, but I'm awfully squeamish when it comes to my wife |
| 17:40.38 | Overfiend | resiak: er, hang on |
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| 17:40.47 | Overfiend | resiak: that message only shows up on upgrades of xdm itself |
| 17:40.59 | gravity | xdm upgrades haven't hit testing in a while |
| 17:40.59 | Overfiend | resiak: he's talking about the glibc "restart services" prompt |
| 17:41.01 | bomb | Overfiend: no it doesn't |
| 17:41.03 | gravity | Despite my best efforts :-p |
| 17:41.04 | resiak | Overfiend: No, I got a message saying that when I upgraded my libc, I _swear_ |
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| 17:41.14 | headless | resiak. its not X thats the problem. it dpkg breaking totally due to relocation errors. |
| 17:41.23 | Overfiend | resiak: well, it warns you a little bit. I've ignored the exact text of that message for years :) |
| 17:41.24 | bomb | resiak: you are correct, i just upgraded a fresh stable install to testing about two hours ago |
| 17:41.33 | Overfiend | but it's not the finger-wagging warning that I wrote for the xdm package itself |
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| 17:41.36 | headless | resiak. if i did this outside of X it wouldnt have made any difference |
| 17:41.38 | bomb | all you have to do is restart apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:41.40 | resiak | Overfiend: Yes. It warns you that ?dm will be restarted, and that you should do this from a VT, and gives you the chance to stop. |
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| 17:41.53 | Overfiend | resiak: that's xdm's message. glibc doesn't say that. |
| 17:41.58 | SerajewelKS | zinx, wake up |
| 17:42.01 | Overfiend | headless: Yes, it would have. |
| 17:42.01 | headless | resiak. who cares about X, its broken linkage thats the problem. |
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| 17:42.14 | headless | Overfiend thankyou. |
| 17:42.17 | resiak | Overfiend: Hmm, I wasn't upgrading xdm at the time... I'm paraphrasing. |
| 17:42.18 | Overfiend | headless: The shell that was running apt-get/aptitiude/dpkg was a child process of your X session, which was a child process of xdm. |
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| 17:42.20 | derobert | headless: Worked just fine here (well, except for the libterm-readline-gnu-perl problem).... did you track down why it broke? |
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| 17:42.37 | Overfiend | headless: kill xdm, and everything underneath it dies, including your X session and dpkg, in mid-thrust |
| 17:42.39 | takatumi | Overfiend: it'll all be fine, don't ya worry. :) |
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| 17:42.54 | resiak | Overfiend: It was definitely the libc service screen. Maybe I'm adding information that I inferred. Anyway, I'll not argue with you of all people :p |
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| 17:43.10 | Overfiend | resiak: I'm pretty sure, but you can always prove me wrong by quoting the message :) |
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| 17:43.22 | resiak | Overfiend: I don't have a spare box or chroot about, sorry. |
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| 17:43.34 | Overfiend | headless is shrill but I think he has a point. I almost nuked an upgrade session of my own that way. |
| 17:43.36 | headless | i don't know. i reckon this should all be done on next reboot, or as single user |
| 17:43.40 | Overfiend | resiak: you could just grep the source package |
| 17:43.46 | resiak | Overfiend: I'm fetching it now. |
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| 17:43.58 | resiak | Overfiend: But headless does have a point --- the message doesn't have a bold enough warning. |
| 17:44.02 | headless | sorry to be shrill .. |
| 17:44.03 | Overfiend | the glibc service-restarter knows which processes need to be restarted |
| 17:44.04 | derobert | /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.preinst contains the message |
| 17:44.10 | headless | just a little pissed off. |
| 17:44.22 | Overfiend | there should be a way to find out if the current dpkg process is ultimately parented by one of the processes to be killed |
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| 17:44.30 | Overfiend | pstreewalk() |
| 17:44.31 | headless | debian is such a pleasure 99.999 percent of the time. really took me by surprise i guess |
| 17:44.35 | Overfiend | some function like that |
| 17:44.35 | Bhaal | Argh... sid gpg signature is invalid... |
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| 17:44.54 | tcsetattr | if you give pstree a PID, it will just print that process's descendants |
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| 17:45.13 | headless | anyway thanks guys. it's fixed now thanks to having a liveCD to chroot from. |
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| 17:45.16 | Overfiend | tcsetattr: ah, cool. Can the output be restricted to JUST the PIDs? |
| 17:45.18 | tcsetattr | so it'd actually be pretty easy to answer "is PID x a descendant of PID y", you just do pstree -al $y |
| 17:45.26 | headless | sorry to blab about it. |
| 17:45.27 | tcsetattr | well, you'd have to sed them out I think. |
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| 17:45.53 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.53 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.56 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.58 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.01 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.01 | tcsetattr | if you want a clean format, grep '^Ppid: ' /proc/$PID/status |
| 17:46.03 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.05 | ke6isf | Overfiend: ... eh? |
| 17:46.06 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.08 | Overfiend | cool |
| 17:46.12 | Overfiend | tcsetattr: please file a wishlist bug against glibc |
| 17:46.14 | Overfiend | :) |
| 17:46.20 | FieldySnuts | flood0r! |
| 17:46.29 | ke6isf | Anyone recommend a good online tutorial for perl? |
| 17:46.30 | FieldySnuts | ~penixsmite Overfiend |
| 17:46.31 | Overfiend | told ya I was immune to the flood enforcer |
| 17:46.35 | FieldySnuts | damnit |
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| 17:47.31 | m2 | hey, Overfiend! |
| 17:47.33 | Overfiend | tcsetattr: I'm pretty sure I can write logic in shell to do this. |
| 17:47.37 | FieldySnuts | Phated: :) |
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| 17:47.53 | Overfiend | tcsetattr: the best place for libc to figure this out is in its preinst. Is that where the current service-killer runs? |
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| 17:48.03 | derobert | According to the messages glibc spits out, its not supposed to restart xdm on its own. |
| 17:48.12 | tcsetattr | I don't know from glibc packaging... |
| 17:48.19 | Overfiend | m2: howdy |
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| 17:48.31 | thingfish | is there a way to /ignore joins and exits with gaim? I've looked all over Preferences, googled, coming up empty handed but asg told me earlier it was possible. |
| 17:48.32 | Overfiend | well, I gotta run and make August's SPI deposits |
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| 17:48.34 | tcsetattr | I could write the is_descendant_of () shell function though |
| 17:48.49 | gravity | woo SPI |
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| 17:49.36 | kvidell | !moo |
| 17:49.36 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
| 17:49.44 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate kvidell |
| 17:49.45 | apt | kvidell: HELP ME!!! who uses kde lol |
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| 17:50.07 | derobert | "but other programs cannot be restarted automatically. One such program that needs manual stopping and restart after the glibc upgrade by yourself is xdm - because automatic restart might disconnect your active X11 sessions." |
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| 17:50.13 | resiak | thingfish: Yes, there is. You should be asking #gaim. Google for gaim irc helper |
| 17:50.15 | derobert | thats what the message says |
| 17:50.20 | kvidell | hehe |
| 17:50.24 | thingfish | resiak: bless you |
| 17:50.29 | Vampyress | is there anyone around that could help me with mysql? |
| 17:50.29 | resiak | thingfish: No problem :) |
| 17:50.34 | resiak | Vampyress: #mysql ? |
| 17:50.39 | resiak | ... |
| 17:50.48 | V4mp | o cheers i'll check |
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| 17:51.02 | gravity | V4mp: You should just ask your question. If someone knows how to help you, they will. |
| 17:51.06 | tcsetattr | I remember that the 3.1 release notes said "don't do this within X". So I didn't. |
| 17:51.14 | gravity | Usually a good idea |
| 17:51.17 | resiak | People changing their nicks repeatedly after asking a question is really, really annoying. |
| 17:51.26 | gravity | Although I upgrade libc all the time within X these days :-p |
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| 17:52.29 | V4mp | gravity: its the well known mysql problem .. "unable to find the mysqld.sock" |
| 17:52.32 | Caelum | anyone worked with monotone? how is it? |
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| 17:52.42 | gravity | Caelum: It's Ok. I didn't love it. |
| 17:52.51 | vekpos | how can i activate java-applets in firefox? with gcj-plugin, it always sais "class not found"... |
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| 17:52.59 | gravity | Caelum: It exposes a lot of hashes to the user, which is a pain. So you don't have explicit revision numbers like in CVS et al. |
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| 17:53.26 | resiak | V4mp: Is there no earlier erro message? |
| 17:53.26 | takatumi | vekpos: install java? |
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| 17:53.26 | Caelum | gravity: weird. I worked with prcs a few years back, it was very nice |
| 17:53.30 | gravity | Caelum: It's not super speedy, but it's sufficient for normal projects |
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| 17:53.41 | gravity | Caelum: I've been using mercurial lately, which is very nice. |
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| 17:53.50 | resiak | V4mp: Paste the output of /etc/init.d/mysql start into #flood |
| 17:53.52 | Caelum | gravity: interesting, will check it out thanks :) |
| 17:54.02 | gravity | Caelum: You're welcome |
| 17:54.10 | takatumi | gravity: is the mercurial kernel repo back up? |
| 17:54.14 | gravity | Caelum: If you have any questions about mercurial, feel free to ask |
| 17:54.17 | V4mp | resiak: the only problem i seem to be getting is that there no mysqld |
| 17:54.24 | Caelum | *nod* |
| 17:54.24 | gravity | takatumi: I don't think so, although I believe that it's mirrored |
| 17:54.29 | resiak | V4mp: Paste the output of /etc/init.d/mysql start into #flood |
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| 17:55.37 | takatumi | not yet, kernel.org/hg mercurial is awesome. |
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| 17:55.52 | gravity | Ah. I don't track the kernel, so I've never used it |
| 17:56.09 | gravity | The only mercurial repo I actively track is mercurial's itself :-) |
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| 17:56.59 | gravity | It's also about the only program I'm willing to track the bleeding edge of right now, although I may start tracking X in the near future |
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| 17:57.13 | gravity | Hot new stuff in the works :-) |
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| 18:00.38 | Morti | How does one make a tty show something other than a login screen? |
| 18:00.47 | mrwill | is it possible to see the configuration options that were used to build a package? |
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| 18:01.14 | Bac9 | now that the libc transition is done, what's the next transition? |
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| 18:01.21 | m2 | mrwill: in general? no... |
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| 18:01.35 | m2 | mrwill: you can always fetch the source and look |
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| 18:01.38 | gravity | Bac9: A lot of smaller ones. Xorg is in progress, but mostly stable and waiting for Xorg to hit testing. |
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| 18:01.56 | shingoki | Does anyone know what might cause debian testing to disable a PS/2 KB during boot, so that it won't input, and the caps lock etc. are frozen? |
| 18:01.59 | Bac9 | gravity: so xorg is next then kde/gnome? |
| 18:02.02 | FieldySnuts | ~sidsmite delire |
| 18:02.09 | gravity | Bac9: Right |
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| 18:02.09 | mrwill | m2: right, but i'm talking about what arguments were passed to the configure script, './configure --with-feature-x' |
| 18:02.11 | FieldySnuts | or not |
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| 18:02.19 | gravity | Bac9: There's also a few others. A jackd transition may be happening, I'm not sure |
| 18:02.24 | Bac9 | gravity: any other "big" ones on the horizon? |
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| 18:02.49 | delire | FieldySnuts: Etch here.. |
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| 18:02.51 | m2 | mrwill: yes, I know, and in general, no, it's not possible to figure that out. |
| 18:02.51 | gravity | Bac9: Not that I'm aware of. I'm planning another Xorg transition for October... |
| 18:02.57 | mrwill | m2: ok, thanks. |
| 18:02.59 | m2 | mrwill: it's different from package to package. |
| 18:03.03 | Bac9 | gravity: o, k thanx |
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| 18:04.07 | FieldySnuts | geez |
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| 18:04.29 | gravity | A lot of that today... |
| 18:04.41 | FieldySnuts | you'd think once per ip was enough in such a short time |
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| 18:05.03 | delire | "Here come the Clone Bots" |
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| 18:06.47 | V4mp | resiak: any clues then? |
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| 18:08.57 | delire | anyone here reccommend a decent GUI app for browsing/connecting to bluetooth devices? has to be family-proof. |
| 18:09.04 | OCA| | Is there a debian mips channel? |
| 18:09.16 | FieldySnuts | apt: mips? |
| 18:09.17 | apt | from memory, mips is (Million Instructions Per Second) This is a rating of how quickly a processor can process instructions. A processor rated at 100 MIPS can process 100,000,000 instructions per second. has a homepage for the Linux MIPS project at http://www.linux-mips.org |
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| 18:09.28 | ke6isf | FieldySnuts: dondelelcaro had mentioned that there were just too many of them to bother with banning per IP address. |
| 18:09.31 | FieldySnuts | oh well. #debian-mips perhaps , was hoping apt had a channel suggestion |
| 18:09.36 | FieldySnuts | ke6isf: he's right about that |
| 18:09.41 | OCA| | Fieldysnuts: Nope |
| 18:09.43 | FieldySnuts | you'll never get them all |
| 18:09.47 | FieldySnuts | OCA|: dunno then, that's my guess |
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| 18:10.00 | OCA| | Hmm, thanks. I take it this channel focuses on X86? |
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| 18:10.04 | dogmeat | is there a russian debian channe? |
| 18:10.09 | ke6isf | FieldySnuts: Makes me wonder then, if you /msg somebody who's +E and you're not registered, do you actually see anything? |
| 18:10.11 | ke6isf | !ru |
| 18:10.11 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 18:10.20 | ke6isf | dogmeat: There you go. =^^= |
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| 18:10.45 | FieldySnuts | ke6isf: yes, it says you may not message them without being identified, or similar |
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| 18:11.01 | ke6isf | FieldySnuts: So these spambots are getting this, but since they're bots, they really don't give a damn.... |
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| 18:11.37 | vekpos | uhm, i downloaded and installes java, java is activated in firefox, bz |
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| 18:11.46 | vekpos | but applets still dont workin |
| 18:11.53 | sohn | |
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| 18:13.04 | dogmeat | ke6isf: thanks! do you speak russian? |
| 18:13.05 | FieldySnuts | most of them are from 85.* though, harsh but *!*@85.* would help so much |
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| 18:13.18 | FieldySnuts | hm. or a variation, ignore joins/parts from that in your client.... |
| 18:13.21 | FieldySnuts | much better |
| 18:13.25 | ke6isf | dogmeat: I only can understand "Da" and "Nyet" and "Gorbechev". Sorry. =^_^= |
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| 18:13.39 | ke6isf | dogmeat: Oh, and "Glastnost". =/ |
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| 18:13.53 | dogmeat | heh, i need someone to translate so i can tell this new russian girl how much i love her :( |
| 18:13.55 | thingfish | I know a little russian. |
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| 18:14.09 | masoft | I our office, we have just a Microsoft ISA in server as Proxy (not socks) , and we use it for websites. now I wanna know is it possible to have VNC access to my server with a http proxy ? |
| 18:14.11 | dogmeat | i just meet her |
| 18:14.21 | thingfish | dogmeat: what is it you want to say to her? |
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| 18:14.36 | vekpos | what can i do for activating java-applets in firefox? i installed java and enabled java in the options, but applets still remain gray |
| 18:14.46 | ke6isf | dogmeat: Well, I'm not one to give romantic advice... so I won't. |
| 18:14.51 | dogmeat | thingfish: i wanted to say, "i want to come to visit you in Byelorssia" |
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| 18:15.06 | jdhutchin1 | vekpos, you have to make a symlink in your plugins dir |
| 18:15.06 | ke6isf | OK, time to buy food. |
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| 18:15.13 | vekpos | ok |
| 18:15.15 | kirk | So I was just taking a shit, right, when I realize I'm massively constipated from the three Taco Bell burritos I had last night. There was no way that massive log was going to ease its way out of my o-ring without shredding it to bits. It felt like the shit was coming out sideways. I was petrified, scared to move as the shit eased its way half out of my stressed sphincter. Then, the unimaginable happened: it got stuck. |
| 18:15.18 | kirk | I slowly moved of the toilet to the cabinent to get a tube of KY-Jelly out of it; a rather strange sight with a giant brown pickle hanging out of my ass. I quicly applied some lube to my fingers and circled the hard turd with a blob of it, hoping that the lubrication may loosen the strain. Slowly, the turd began to give way, and I used my already lubed hand to slightly tug the shit out of my ass. My fingers slowly dug into the concrete-like turd, and |
| 18:15.23 | kirk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.28 | kirk | fist into my anus and pulled out the stringy piece of half-digested Taco Bell "food." The gray cheese looked perversely delicious among the rest of the brown mud. I slowly plucked a piece of the cheese off the turd and guided it into my mouth; the taste was amazing. I licked the shit off all my digits rapidly, and began plunging my hand into my anus for more. |
| 18:15.29 | ke6isf | !ops Please ban kirk, he's flooding... |
| 18:15.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Please ban kirk, he's flooding... |
| 18:15.33 | kirk | So I was just taking a shit, right, when I realize I'm massively constipated from the three Taco Bell burritos I had last night. There was no way that massive log was going to ease its way out of my o-ring without shredding it to bits. It felt like the shit was coming out sideways. I was petrified, scared to move as the shit eased its way half out of my stressed sphincter. Then, the unimaginable happened: it got stuck. |
| 18:15.37 | *** mode/#debian [+o ElectricElf] by ChanServ |
| 18:15.38 | kirk | I slowly moved of the toilet to the cabinent to get a tube of KY-Jelly out of it; a rather strange sight with a giant brown pickle hanging out of my ass. I quicly applied some lube to my fingers and circled the hard turd with a blob of it, hoping that the lubrication may loosen the strain. Slowly, the turd began to give way, and I used my already lubed hand to slightly tug the shit out of my ass. My fingers slowly dug into the concrete-like turd, and |
| 18:15.42 | FieldySnuts | wtf |
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| 18:15.50 | ke6isf | buh bye! |
| 18:15.51 | *** mode/#debian [-o ElectricElf] by ChanServ |
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| 18:16.37 | ke6isf | Ah, welcome to the weekend. |
| 18:16.40 | ke6isf | !beer ElectricElf |
| 18:16.56 | thingfish | dogmeat: ok, it would go something like this (transliterated, of course): Ya hachU poleTEET k vam v bielorus. |
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| 18:16.59 | gentgeen__ | Anyone know how to not display all the "left, booted, joined" messages in ChatZilla? Not using my normal client, and I can't remember the steps |
| 18:17.05 | js_ | how can i turn off the black console screensaver? |
| 18:17.14 | FieldySnuts | sick! |
| 18:17.23 | FieldySnuts | sick sick sick |
| 18:17.32 | ke6isf | FieldySnuts: /clear, dude. Of course, now you need some brain bleach... |
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| 18:19.00 | FieldySnuts | o-ring... |
| 18:19.19 | routeskeeper | how to find a package containing a file that I known the name? |
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| 18:19.43 | gravity | Argh... figures while I'm away for 2 minutes... |
| 18:19.45 | gravity | Sorry everyone |
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| 18:19.54 | FieldySnuts | he's just mad he missed the story |
| 18:19.58 | routeskeeper | !find pcap-int.h |
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| 18:20.21 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'pcap-int.h' returned no results. |
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| 18:20.26 | nite613 | routeskeeper: An installed package? dpkg -S |
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| 18:20.29 | routeskeeper | !find pcap.h |
| 18:20.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pcap.h' (5): (/usr/lib/tiger/html/pcap.html) in admin/tiger ;; (/usr/include/nessus/pcap.h) in libdevel/libnessus-dev ;; (/usr/share/ethereal/text2pcap.html) in net/ethereal-common ;; (/usr/share/doc/texmf/help/Catalogue/entries/pcap.html) in doc/tetex-doc ;; (/usr/include/pcap.h) in libdevel/libpcap0.7-dev,libdevel/libpcap0.8-dev. |
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| 18:20.51 | routeskeeper | nite613: no, not installed packet |
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| 18:21.08 | nite613 | then asking the bot like you did is your easiest route ;) |
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| 18:21.47 | routeskeeper | yeah, I figured out myself ;) I saw ppl did it ealier but I don't remember exactly how they did |
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| 18:22.27 | routeskeeper | sh*t, Debian doesn't package an important header file :( |
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| 18:22.59 | Yokaloshi | hey there - thinkin about installing debian from floppy using network cards will it hav drivers for linksys wireless do you thnk?? |
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| 18:23.22 | Yokaloshi | *bump* |
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| 18:23.28 | FlopsyPete | when using dd, what does 'conv=sync ; sync' do that 'conv=sync' doesn't? |
| 18:23.34 | zinx | Yokaloshi: "linksys wireless" isn't enough to know the answer to that |
| 18:23.44 | Yokaloshi | wpc11 |
| 18:23.58 | zinx | Yokaloshi: and installing debian from floppy... using network cards? i don't understand that at all |
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| 18:24.40 | zinx | Yokaloshi: it's a prism2 card apparently, so there's a chance the drivers are in the stock kernel |
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| 18:24.48 | Yokaloshi | wen installing debian using floopy you need 3 flooppies right?? |
| 18:24.52 | Yokaloshi | boot |
| 18:24.52 | Yokaloshi | root |
| 18:25.00 | Yokaloshi | and NIC drivers |
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| 18:25.30 | zinx | Yokaloshi: or you can always try http://www.linux.com/howtos/Wireless-Link-sys-WPC11/index.shtml if it isn't ;) |
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| 18:25.53 | Yokaloshi | ok ty v much |
| 18:26.05 | Yokaloshi | any tips for starting out wit debian |
| 18:26.15 | Yokaloshi | i've neva used anything but windows :S |
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| 18:26.19 | delire | anyone here had any luck with bluepin? after an xhost + to allow it to connect to the xserver i get the output "ERR" |
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| 18:26.52 | zinx | Yokaloshi: well, i wouldn't jump straight in to wireless networking, for one thing ;) |
| 18:26.56 | flipmcf | hi. I must be stoooopid. Trying to add a user so he can ul via ftp. I use vsftpd. I added a user (useradd) but this new user can't seem to authenticate to the ftp server. "access denied" My user account works, his does not. Basic default install --- any suggestions? |
| 18:27.06 | EmleyMoor | I'm trying to get an up-to-date compile of all the stuff I need for obex over USB, but obexftp is failing to compile... |
| 18:27.18 | zinx | Yokaloshi: i'm not even sure there is a floppy install for debian |
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| 18:27.30 | zinx | Yokaloshi: the best method is to get the business card cd or net install cd |
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| 18:28.13 | FlopsyPete | when using dd, what does 'conv=sync ; sync' do that 'conv=sync' doesn't? - a Debian installer doc advises it when creating boot floppies |
| 18:28.29 | Yokaloshi | it's a shame i got no cd drive that works with this mobo |
| 18:28.49 | EmleyMoor | http://pastebin.com/353780 if anyone thinks they can help me |
| 18:28.50 | Yokaloshi | i got a mate coming round with a spare board |
| 18:28.54 | Yokaloshi | hopefulyl that'll work |
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| 18:29.22 | abrotman | !moo |
| 18:29.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
| 18:29.31 | Segali | hi, i have litlle problem with debian netinstall... i can't setup apt settings.. ethernet connection works well, but i can't connect ftp or http servers. what is wrong? |
| 18:29.31 | Yokaloshi | i downloaded the 3 img files from debian website |
| 18:29.52 | abrotman | Yokaloshi: those shold work .. i've used them |
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| 18:30.13 | Yokaloshi | ty |
| 18:30.18 | takatumi | "lpr: error - unable to print file: client-error-not-found" what is this supposed to mean? |
| 18:30.34 | Yokaloshi | it's just shame i threw out all my floppies :S didn't think i'd need them anymore |
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| 18:30.44 | Yokaloshi | till scholol started giving away pcs :D:D |
| 18:31.08 | takatumi | Yokaloshi: server farms for free. |
| 18:31.17 | Yokaloshi | yep :D |
| 18:31.27 | Yokaloshi | nd was tlk linux ran pretty well on them |
| 18:31.45 | Yokaloshi | seen as they had 2000 nd that was pushing it with the spec that they were |
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| 18:32.43 | Yokaloshi | is it plugged in?? |
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| 18:33.05 | takatumi | Yokaloshi: oh, I forgot that, *plonk*. |
| 18:33.13 | Yokaloshi | haha |
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| 18:33.23 | FieldySnuts | what are you laughing at |
| 18:33.39 | Yokaloshi | if it's an old one like mine i usually find turning it off for 5 minutes does the trick |
| 18:33.39 | delirium | I'm running VMware. host : Debian Sarge, guests : linux & windows os'es. I heard the combination VMware Tools & Debian Sarge is a bad mix. Does this mean Debian as guest, host or both ? |
| 18:33.43 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: not at you. :) |
| 18:34.07 | takatumi | delirium: ain't there a #vmware? |
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| 18:34.22 | delire | takatumi: you use http://localhost:631 or another method? |
| 18:34.31 | delirium | takatumi : don't know, but it's debian related right ? :p |
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| 18:34.53 | takatumi | delire: tried that and footmatic-gui |
| 18:34.57 | delirium | join #vmware |
| 18:35.06 | delire | takatumi: what's the printer? |
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| 18:35.49 | OxxeN | linuxprinting.org |
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| 18:36.05 | takatumi | fuck me, it just printed, delire, I swear I tried localhost:631 before. |
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| 18:36.14 | Quibus | hi again folks |
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| 18:36.21 | takatumi | delire: HP PSC 2353 |
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| 18:36.41 | delire | takatumi: you have libgimpprint on board? |
| 18:36.43 | Quibus | Question: I need to build a kernel module for my stock kernel, but the kernel has been built with gcc 3.3.5 and the current gcc-3.3 is 3.3.6. Is that a problem? |
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| 18:36.54 | delire | Quibus: yes |
| 18:37.09 | Quibus | Then I can't build the kernel module :( |
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| 18:37.36 | delire | Quibus: make modules && make modules_install |
| 18:37.48 | Quibus | delire: ? |
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| 18:38.00 | Quibus | delire: I only want to build the module, not the whole kernel |
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| 18:38.19 | Quibus | delire: and it has to be compatible with my running kernel, of course |
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| 18:38.36 | delire | Quibus: well you'll need to bring one inline with the other. |
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| 18:38.56 | jorgito | hi |
| 18:38.58 | jorgito | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.14 | Quibus | delire: ehm, well, I don't want to recompile that kernel, it's stock, and I like to keep it that way |
| 18:39.20 | FieldySnuts | jorgito: reiserfs3.6 |
| 18:39.21 | delire | Quibus: you can have many different versions of gcc on your machine. specify the gcc version |
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| 18:39.39 | jorgito | FieldySnuts, really? could you point me why? |
| 18:39.40 | FieldySnuts | jorgito: i'd also suggest looking at cacti, managing that many devices and configs is far easier, and considerably faster |
| 18:39.40 | delire | Quibus: .. when you compile the module |
| 18:39.54 | FieldySnuts | jorgito: because reiserfs is the best period at working with small files |
| 18:39.57 | Quibus | delire: as I just said: gcc-3.3 is as close as it gets and that's 3.3.6, kernel has been compiled with 3.3.5 |
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| 18:40.42 | delire | Quibus: ahah, i get it. you can't actually get gcc-3.3.5 |
| 18:40.52 | Quibus | delire: unless this is all not very important for that ATI binary driver stuff thingie |
| 18:40.54 | Quibus | delire: exactly |
| 18:40.55 | jorgito | FieldySnuts, cacti is snmp based as the mrtg ? |
| 18:41.01 | Quibus | delire: it's not in testing anymore |
| 18:41.01 | FieldySnuts | jorgito: yeah |
| 18:41.02 | takatumi | delire: yes, libgimpprint1 |
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| 18:41.14 | keir | can somebody help me get my mic working? it works in windows, however on linux i can seem to get any sound out of it, ive got all the mic volumes turned up in alsamixer, my card is a audigy 2 value |
| 18:41.19 | resiak | V4mp: Do what it says. Take a look at the syslog. |
| 18:41.20 | jorgito | FieldySnuts, why it should be faster? |
| 18:41.22 | FieldySnuts | jorgito: though, with that many devices, moving to something else would be such a huge pain... but maybe some day |
| 18:41.38 | takatumi | delire: printing a page from abiword, shot out about 20 blank pages. |
| 18:41.45 | FieldySnuts | jorgito: because of the way it's written, and it uses rrd not whatever mrtg does (i haven't used it in so logn) |
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| 18:41.52 | ray__ | hey how do i start nautilus with out the desktop coming up just the filer |
| 18:41.53 | ray__ | ? |
| 18:41.54 | resiak | V4mp: It'll be the old_password line in your config file. |
| 18:41.57 | Morti | Is there a program that just displays a clock full screen in a terminal? |
| 18:41.58 | resiak | V4mp: HTH HAND |
| 18:41.59 | delire | Quibus: you probably will have problems yes. |
| 18:41.59 | jorgito | FieldySnuts, yes, but mrtg has rrd suport also |
| 18:42.08 | Quibus | delire: great :( |
| 18:42.10 | FieldySnuts | it does? oh okay, shows how long since i used it |
| 18:42.11 | keir | ray__, --nodesktop i beilive |
| 18:42.22 | delire | takatumi: well you are sending commands to the printer. tried just sending postscript? |
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| 18:42.25 | ray__ | keir, ok thanks |
| 18:42.31 | FieldySnuts | anyway reiserfs3.6 will give you better performance on all those little files, check out cacti some day |
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| 18:42.46 | ray__ | keir, always so simple : ) |
| 18:42.50 | jorgito | FieldySnuts, i am downloading it now :-) |
| 18:43.15 | keir | ray__, np |
| 18:43.24 | delire | Quibus: there'll be a way. just that i don't know it. |
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| 18:43.31 | FieldySnuts | some say cacti is more annoying to set up because of the database side, frankly I found manually configuring mrtg with flatfiles far more annoying |
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| 18:43.40 | FieldySnuts | then again maybe mrtg isn't like that anymore |
| 18:43.42 | deadcat | should i put my PS1 in .bashrc or .bash_profile? |
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| 18:45.33 | Phated | .bashrc. |
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| 18:45.55 | Phated | Your .bash_profile should source .bashrc, anyway. =) |
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| 18:48.08 | deadcat | Phated: ya. but i have a case `tty` in in my .bash_profile so i was thinking just put the pS1 in there as well. currently i have it in .bashrc but that means i have to add another case tty in there |
| 18:48.27 | takatumi | delire: cat foo.ps or foo.txt to /dev/usb/lp0 wakes the printer up, loads a paper half way and just pauses for ever, printing a test page from :631 or foomatic-gui just churns out paper after paper of blanks. ;-/ |
| 18:49.12 | Phated | deadcat: Eh? You could just copy/paste it over. =) I have everything in .bashrc, and .bash_profile just sources them, and has an additional command for login shells. =) |
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| 18:50.12 | deadcat | Phated: damn. hehe .i have loads of stuff in .bash_profile, .bashrc, and few other .bash files. |
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| 18:50.45 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. |
| 18:50.56 | Phated | dotfile cleanout. |
| 18:51.07 | delire | takatumi: hmm that my friend sounds very strange. |
| 18:51.19 | delire | takatumi: do you have a knoppix cd handy ;)? |
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| 18:53.02 | Overand | Can I change what number a window is in GNU Screen? |
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| 18:53.56 | kimo | I can print using cups from the local machine. How can I print from another machine to my machine ? |
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| 18:55.06 | takatumi | delire: printing a random document from oowriter gives me %! PS-Adobe-3.0 RBINumCopies: 1 %%Pages: (atend) %%BoundingBox: (atend) %%Creator: 0. see 0 created something. |
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| 18:56.14 | takatumi | delire: knoppix cd, no, a random biz card sarge daily build, yes. why? |
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| 18:56.55 | takatumi | fuck man, I'll be listening to grumbles all week. |
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| 18:57.20 | delire | takatumi: yeah this stuff can become nasty when family (read:wife/partner) is involved. |
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| 18:58.02 | delire | takatumi: they'll start talking about 'priorities'. |
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| 18:58.47 | ThePiratemaster | does the netinstall of etch have a 64 version? |
| 18:58.50 | Quibus | CU later (libc6 upgrade) |
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| 18:59.03 | ThePiratemaster | or at least a kernel |
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| 19:03.05 | SerajewelKS | zinx, wake up |
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| 19:06.10 | PyroSteve | hey guys |
| 19:06.24 | PyroSteve | i know what im looking for is not the right channel |
| 19:06.32 | PyroSteve | but no one else will help |
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| 19:06.55 | PyroSteve | can someone put up some win95 cabs on a webserver or ftp site |
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| 19:07.07 | delire | eh? |
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| 19:07.18 | PyroSteve | i know i know |
| 19:07.32 | PyroSteve | i am a debian user though ... |
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| 19:07.36 | omry | if non-us is gone, why is it showing here : http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/packages ? |
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| 19:07.37 | Phated | Google for .cab, chances are you'll find some. |
| 19:07.40 | delire | can't you google for this? |
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| 19:07.43 | slisk | any1 know of a fast web browser with frames, javascript, and ssl support? fast enough for a 200MHz machine? |
| 19:07.44 | PyroSteve | yeah, i tried |
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| 19:08.02 | PyroSteve | and there a few sites but most of them are 404 |
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| 19:08.09 | Xybernaut | hi! how i add "thttp" for php4 modules ? |
| 19:08.14 | PyroSteve | and one site i found, the cabs are corrupted |
| 19:08.26 | keir | can somebody help me get my mic working? it works in windows, however on linux i can seem to get any sound out of it, ive got all the mic volumes turned up in alsamixer, my card is a audigy 2 value |
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| 19:08.37 | foo | What's the easiest way to get java working in my firefox browser? |
| 19:08.49 | Phated | PyroSteve: Not hard enough. http://home.so-net.net.tw/oodtsen/pub/wingraphviz/WinGraphviz_v1.02.24.cab |
| 19:08.56 | asg | foo: /msg dpkg install java ; /msg dpkg mozilla java |
| 19:09.00 | foo | asg: thanks |
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| 19:09.21 | asg | foo: the former should take care of it but just in case, the latter will provide the necessary info |
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| 19:09.56 | PyroSteve | Phated, thats not win95_19.cab |
| 19:10.15 | Phated | <shrug> You said a .cab. You didn't exactly specify filename, did you? |
| 19:10.33 | foo | asg: I see. I need a contrib source.. do I just add "contrib" to the end of one of the mirros? Hmm |
| 19:10.40 | PyroSteve | actually yes I did |
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| 19:10.44 | asg | foo: yes, then apt-get update |
| 19:10.48 | foo | asg: Gocha, thanks |
| 19:10.54 | antgel | *plonk* |
| 19:10.59 | Phated | Ehm, no? 'win95 cabs' is NOT a filename. |
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| 19:11.17 | PyroSteve | is that file a cab for Windows 95 ? |
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| 19:11.33 | Phated | Prolly. |
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| 19:11.35 | scarynetworkguy | PyroSteve: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=win95_19.cab&btnG=Search # Now stop bothering us. |
| 19:11.53 | foo | asg: hmm, I did this: deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib - and it didn't work. |
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| 19:12.45 | mrwill | how do I tell a configure script where to look for header files? I have some installed in an unusual place. |
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| 19:13.02 | orchid | Overand: no you cant, but you can set them in your .screenrc to the order you want |
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| 19:13.19 | antgel | mrwill: ./configure --help |
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| 19:13.35 | A-Z-I-Z | is there a debian package for openoffice 2 ? |
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| 19:13.48 | Overand | orchid: that's kind of lame. i don't *want* irssi to be on window 1 =] |
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| 19:13.54 | asg | foo: don't add it to the deb-src, just the deb |
| 19:13.56 | antgel | foo: you added it to the deb-src line. this line refers to _source_ packaged |
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| 19:14.15 | orchid | Overand: then why did you run it in window one? :) |
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| 19:14.56 | Overand | orchid: 'twas an accident! heh |
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| 19:15.09 | Overand | Course I can't be assed to close irssi now, I mean... that's against my religion! |
| 19:15.13 | orchid | Overand: well you wont make that mistake twice :) |
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| 19:15.31 | foo | oops :) |
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| 19:16.45 | Overand | orchid: I won't have a chance to make it for at least 7 or 8 months, with luck. |
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| 19:17.03 | deadcat | someone do a time . .bash_profile and tell me what you get |
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| 19:17.20 | zengolfer | afternoon all |
| 19:17.22 | asg | deadcat: what do you get? |
| 19:17.24 | deadcat | do 3 and get the middle number |
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| 19:17.36 | deadcat | asg: real 0m0.942s )= |
| 19:17.45 | zengolfer | I read the dpkg man page, but it didn't help much with dpkg --get-selections |
| 19:17.47 | asg | deadcat: real 0m0.007s |
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| 19:17.51 | zengolfer | google was no help either |
| 19:17.53 | jan_____ | hello ppl.. how to me recompile my kernel? |
| 19:17.56 | deadcat | asg: damn. |
| 19:17.58 | asg | deadcat: are you using bash_completion? |
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| 19:18.04 | deadcat | asg: ya. |
| 19:18.05 | zengolfer | can anyone help me with syntax for it? |
| 19:18.07 | johnny06 | evening |
| 19:18.08 | jan_____ | i`m using linux kanotik |
| 19:18.08 | asg | deadcat: that's why |
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| 19:18.13 | deadcat | asg: ah.. thanks. |
| 19:18.16 | asg | jan_____: #kanotix |
| 19:18.17 | deadcat | jan_____: #kanotik |
| 19:18.23 | jan_____ | okeh thanks |
| 19:18.23 | foo | asg: /usr/local/jwhatever//plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so - what is "jwhatever" supposed to be? I don't anything that starts with j |
| 19:18.33 | johnny06 | how would i know if shadowpasswd has been installed on my box sarge 3.1 |
| 19:18.37 | jan_____ | /winow |
| 19:18.47 | deadcat | johnny06: ls /etc/shadow |
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| 19:18.50 | asg | foo: well, if you follow the 'install java' (specifically the java-package) part of the factoid, you should be go |
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| 19:18.57 | asg | s/go/good to go/ |
| 19:19.01 | foo | qh, ok |
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| 19:19.14 | asg | foo: that factoid refers to if you install your jvm distribution in /usr/local/whatever |
| 19:19.22 | johnny06 | i get back /etc/shadow |
| 19:19.39 | asg | johnny06: does the second field in /etc/password contain 'x' for all accounts? |
| 19:19.40 | crn | what is io_helper? |
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| 19:19.47 | foo | asg: I see that from dpkg, but where is that at? |
| 19:19.50 | asg | crn: in what context |
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| 19:20.01 | jan_____ | no one on chan kanotik |
| 19:20.11 | asg | foo: after installing the deb created with java-package, dpkg -c <deb> |
| 19:20.12 | crn | it says connection reset by peer |
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| 19:20.16 | antgel | jan_____: hopefully they have other means of support |
| 19:20.16 | johnny06 | do you mean i have to vi /etc/shadow or ls /etc/shadow |
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| 19:20.37 | asg | jan_____: why are you recompiling your kernel anyway? |
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| 19:20.59 | crn | asg, it says connection reset by peer |
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| 19:21.01 | foo | asg: I did apt-get install java-package ... that didn't create a deb, just installed everything. Unless I missed something |
| 19:21.11 | asg | crn: *what* says 'connection reset by peer' |
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| 19:21.29 | deadcat | asg: cool. comment the /etc/bash_completion is now real 0m0.191s |
| 19:21.30 | asg | foo: after installing java-package, you must run make-jpkg on the .bin you downloaded from sun |
| 19:21.32 | antgel | foo: you missed reading the documentation (again) /usr/share/doc/java-package |
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| 19:21.39 | Gnea | foo: yeah, you have to read it and follow directions - it doesn't actually install java, it's the glue to get it installed |
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| 19:21.50 | asg | deadcat: bash_completion might be useful to you but it does require more resources. |
| 19:22.02 | johnny06 | & when i edit /etc/shadow i've got a lot of hashes in there |
| 19:22.06 | deadcat | asg: ya. so i am gonna keep it there. |
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| 19:22.19 | deadcat | johnny06: ya. man 5 shadow |
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| 19:22.22 | foo | ahh |
| 19:22.22 | foo | ok |
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| 19:22.25 | Gnea | DoppelGanger: yeah, it's been quite amusing :) |
| 19:22.25 | asg | johnny06: then you are using shadow passwords (unless the second field in /etc/password isn't 'x' for all accounts) |
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| 19:22.31 | ThePiratemaster | does the netinstall of etch have a 64 version? |
| 19:22.34 | deadcat | Gnea: e17 is rocking (= |
| 19:22.36 | ThePiratemaster | or at least a kernel |
| 19:22.43 | A-Z-I-Z | what is the experimental debian repository ? |
| 19:22.43 | Gnea | deadcat: fo shizzle? |
| 19:22.50 | asg | ma nizzle |
| 19:22.53 | antgel | !tell A-Z-I-Z about experimental |
| 19:22.58 | ThePiratemaster | deadcat, is there deb source for enlightenment |
| 19:22.58 | crn | asg, that's what i'm trying to figgure out. it may be xine, or something else. |
| 19:22.58 | ThePiratemaster | ? |
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| 19:23.02 | deadcat | Gnea: no. but i downlooded elive |
| 19:23.03 | johnny06 | debian-tor:!:13028:0:99999:7::: |
| 19:23.09 | Gnea | deadcat: ha! |
| 19:23.14 | Gnea | deadcat: that's e16 ;) |
| 19:23.16 | deadcat | ThePiratemaster: check elive.org |
| 19:23.22 | asg | crn: I mean, what are you running that generates that error? |
| 19:23.26 | deadcat | Gnea: they have e1{6,7} |
| 19:23.26 | ThePiratemaster | tnx L:) |
| 19:23.30 | DoppelGanger | e17 compiles on sarge |
| 19:23.30 | asg | johnny06: that's a system account, it should not have a password |
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| 19:23.43 | keir | can somebody help me get my mic working? it works in windows, however on linux i can seem to get any sound out of it, ive got all the mic volumes turned up in alsamixer, my card is a audigy 2 value |
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| 19:23.47 | antgel | why are so many people getting excited about e17? |
| 19:23.50 | DoppelGanger | now if only i didn't despise the love affair everyone has with e17 |
| 19:23.51 | johnny06 | daemon:*:13028:0:99999:7::: |
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| 19:23.57 | asg | antgel: because it's eye candy |
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| 19:24.01 | Gnea | antgel: because i did something about it |
| 19:24.03 | antgel | keir: what are you doing with your mike? |
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| 19:24.10 | Gnea | asg: well, it's more than just eye candy |
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| 19:24.24 | ThePiratemaster | elive.org is...? |
| 19:24.29 | asg | antgel: people were excited about it in '98 |
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| 19:24.43 | Gnea | DoppelGanger: why? because love > hate? |
| 19:24.44 | johnny06 | ok i am going to paste it to pastebin |
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| 19:25.07 | crn | asg, i'm running xine, listening to a web radio. every so often i get a message that the connection is reset by peer. "io_helper: connection reset by peer" |
| 19:25.08 | asg | Gnea: perhaps. Overkill for me (I just have a desktop with a bunch of rxvts) |
| 19:25.22 | deadcat | Gnea: i was talking about linux in my english class the otehr day and this girl said "free software?" so i gave her knoppix, i WAS gonna give ehr elive but i just burned the mofo the night before, and i wanted to test it so i decided not to give it up . hahah |
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| 19:25.29 | asg | crn: oh, that may be due to network congestion. |
| 19:25.35 | johnny06 | this is my /etc/shadow http://pastebin.com/353812 |
| 19:25.40 | ThePiratemaster | does anyone know if Etch has X.org or Xfree? |
| 19:25.52 | crn | asg, thanks |
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| 19:26.00 | gravity | ThePiratemaster: XFree86 currently |
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| 19:26.04 | stockholm | ThePiratemaster: you mean testing? |
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| 19:26.09 | zinx | ThePiratemaster: it does. |
| 19:26.09 | ThePiratemaster | ya |
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| 19:26.10 | asg | johnny06: well, you'd better change your root and johnny06 passwords before someone starts cracking them |
| 19:26.15 | Rickyx | How does apache2 with ssl work in Debian Sarge ? Is there any add-on configuration required besides enabling mod_ssl ? |
| 19:26.17 | ThePiratemaster | it does what? |
| 19:26.23 | ThePiratemaster | xfree or x.org |
| 19:26.24 | asg | johnny06: and yes, that indicates you are using /etc/shadow |
| 19:26.28 | zinx | ThePiratemaster: yes. |
| 19:26.29 | gravity | I just answere dyou |
| 19:26.40 | antgel | ThePiratemaster: why not have a look on packages.debian.org? |
| 19:26.51 | johnny06 | ok,thanks,so i will have to change the passwd |
| 19:26.54 | zinx | !info xserver-xfree86 testing |
| 19:26.54 | V4mp | zinx: xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:26.57 | stockholm | zinx: the transition from xfree to xorg is still outstanding |
| 19:27.00 | deadcat | gravity: do you notice the cursor in xterm in -6 is slow? |
| 19:27.00 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 (etch), Packaged size: 5607 kB, Installed size: 15616 kB |
| 19:27.03 | zinx | !info xserver-xorg testing |
| 19:27.03 | V4mp | zinx: xserver-xorg |
| 19:27.04 | stockholm | but it is coming up soon |
| 19:27.05 | gravity | deadcat: No |
| 19:27.07 | ThePiratemaster | caz i did that once and i spend hours and hours looking for a packet |
| 19:27.10 | zinx | wtf is v4mp? |
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| 19:27.18 | gravity | deadcat: Do you have acceleration working? |
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| 19:27.33 | zinx | !ops V4mp appears to be a rouge bot; answering !-prefixed commands |
| 19:27.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: V4mp appears to be a rouge bot; answering !-prefixed commands |
| 19:27.34 | asg | zinx: the nick of someone who watched Blade too many times? |
| 19:27.38 | ivan_ | how do I restore a bash_rc for a user? |
| 19:27.41 | antgel | !test |
| 19:27.41 | dpkg | Sorry, antgel, I didn't get your test. |
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| 19:27.53 | cy_ | hello |
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| 19:27.56 | asg | !info cock |
| 19:27.57 | deadcat | gravity: accel is crappy on my machine. glxgears only shows ~ 500fps with a nvidia FX5200 )=, but it was moving faster before (-5) |
| 19:27.57 | V4mp | asg: cock |
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| 19:28.04 | zinx | ThePiratemaster: seems there's no xserver-xorg in etch |
| 19:28.06 | gravity | ugh |
| 19:28.09 | DoppelGanger | Gnea: sorry ducked out there for a sec, i hate E17 because i hate fads and ppl who follow fads :) |
| 19:28.09 | Gnea | asg: you make it sound as if i'm trying to shove e17 down your throat - i'm not, i'm just saying that there's another WM/DE being worked on and it's getting to a point of use-ability(sp?), you don't HAVE to use it, but despising it is like anyone else despising the WM/DE that you or anyone else uses - it's just stupid and childish |
| 19:28.19 | keir | antgel, well, im speaking into it, using audacity to see if its actually working |
| 19:28.22 | gravity | deadcat: There shouldn't have been any major changes in -6 that would alter that sort of thing, especially on nvidia |
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| 19:28.27 | Gnea | DoppelGanger: so you hate yourself. :) |
| 19:28.29 | asg | Gnea: oh I know, I wasn't thinking that at all. |
| 19:28.31 | ivan_ | how do I restore a .bashrc for a user? |
| 19:28.34 | cy_ | somebody knows when the 2.6.13' kernel-image packages get released for debian ? |
| 19:28.39 | DoppelGanger | Gnea: i compiled it for a friend not for myself |
| 19:28.42 | asg | ivan_: cp /etc/skel/.bashrc /home/<user> |
| 19:28.47 | ThePiratemaster | in due time |
| 19:28.50 | ThePiratemaster | in other words |
| 19:28.50 | asg | ivan_: if it had extensive modifications, restore from backups |
| 19:28.51 | ThePiratemaster | i dunno |
| 19:28.51 | Gnea | DoppelGanger: you think it's about a fad. you are wrong. |
| 19:28.59 | antgel | keir: are you okay with sound output? |
| 19:29.03 | ivan_ | asg: thanks |
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| 19:29.06 | keir | antgel, yup |
| 19:29.10 | deadcat | gravity: at first i thought i changed my .Xresources but xfree with the same .Xresources works fine. |
| 19:29.22 | zinx | Gnea: all the previous E's have been fads ;) |
| 19:29.26 | antgel | keir: well that's a relief. surely it's a socket or mixer thing |
| 19:29.27 | asg | LoRez: thanks |
| 19:29.32 | DoppelGanger | Gnea: not the first time ihave been wrong will not be the last time |
| 19:29.35 | Gnea | zinx: and linux hasn't been...? |
| 19:29.40 | antgel | ok, why do people get excited about eye candy? |
| 19:29.42 | bucky | Rickyx, http://www.ilovett.com/blog/projects/linux/installing-ssl-on-debian-apache2 |
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| 19:29.49 | bucky | KDE is a fad |
| 19:29.56 | Gnea | that's right |
| 19:29.59 | zinx | Gnea: i don't see how linux is anywhere near comparable to enlightenment |
| 19:30.01 | deadcat | Gnea: i was looking at the guys e17 demo on the elive.org page. way too fancy. (=. i dont know wht the hell hes doing hahah.. |
| 19:30.10 | zinx | Gnea: or KDE for that matter :P~ |
| 19:30.10 | Gnea | zinx: that's the problem - you're blind. |
| 19:30.11 | gravity | deadcat: That's very weird. There's nothing at all that changed that should have affected that, unless you use savage |
| 19:30.11 | keir | antgel, well, one would assume so,m but i have evrything unmuted/turned up in the mixer and i still aint getting anything |
| 19:30.12 | asg | antgel: because it gives them something substantial to wave at the Windows / OSX crowd |
| 19:30.12 | ThePiratemaster | so etch has xfree and no 64-bit kernel? |
| 19:30.29 | Gnea | well |
| 19:30.39 | deadcat | gravity: damn.. i will wait for 6.9 then. |
| 19:30.39 | antgel | asg: ok, why are they interested in waving at the moronic hordes? :P |
| 19:30.44 | Gnea | unless you've actually used it, shut your hole, your opinion means nothing in that regard. |
| 19:30.45 | hid3 | Anyone know what is a better choice: a RTL or ADMtek chip based LAN card? |
| 19:30.45 | zinx | Gnea: Enlightenment gets completely rewritten every version -- no E version has anything to do with the previous version, except that it's also full of useless eyecandy |
| 19:30.47 | gravity | deadcat: I'm trying to build that right now actually |
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| 19:30.54 | deadcat | gravity: i love you (= |
| 19:30.58 | gravity | heh |
| 19:30.58 | asg | antgel: beats me. |
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| 19:31.05 | Gnea | zinx: hehe, you buy the lie - that's funny |
| 19:31.11 | zinx | Gnea: thus, E as you don't know it doesn't last very long. |
| 19:31.16 | antgel | asg: i'll never forget an os x user telling me that he loved it as it has a 3d spinning login scren or something |
| 19:31.16 | ThePiratemaster | Gnea, why so pissed. are you in denail or something? |
| 19:31.20 | zinx | Gnea: Linux is quite different from that :/ |
| 19:31.20 | ThePiratemaster | i was just asking |
| 19:31.20 | Blissex | ThePiratemaster: there is really not much difference between XFree86 4.3 and Xorg 6.8 (xcept for that slow eyecandy stuff) |
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| 19:31.28 | Gnea | ThePiratemaster: i'm pissed? |
| 19:31.29 | ThePiratemaster | i didnt even give an opinion |
| 19:31.42 | Gnea | zinx: you say it, but you don't explain it. |
| 19:31.46 | zinx | Gnea: I Just did. |
| 19:31.56 | Gnea | zinx: not very in-depth. |
| 19:31.57 | zinx | Gnea: E versions are complete rewrites, they are new programs |
| 19:32.00 | ThePiratemaster | Blissix, i know X.org better the Xfree |
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| 19:32.03 | Gnea | zinx: yes, that is true. |
| 19:32.03 | asg | antgel: that sounds about right. |
| 19:32.07 | ThePiratemaster | so i prefer X.org |
| 19:32.07 | Gnea | zinx: but it proves nothing. |
| 19:32.08 | zinx | Gnea: they are short-lived programs |
| 19:32.17 | zinx | Gnea: a fad is a short-lived popularity |
| 19:32.20 | Gnea | zinx: and yet, they work, they are functional |
| 19:32.22 | zinx | Gnea: old E versions are not popular |
| 19:32.24 | gravity | ThePiratemaster: X.Org is a for of XFree86. They're *very* similar to the user. |
| 19:32.27 | zinx | Gnea: new E versions are popular |
| 19:32.29 | gravity | s/for/fork/ |
| 19:32.29 | harleyg | who banner kronoz |
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| 19:32.34 | Gnea | zinx: oh, so it's all about a popularity contest to you |
| 19:32.35 | zinx | Gnea: E versions are popular for a short-lived period of time |
| 19:32.36 | harleyg | i demend you see your leader! |
| 19:32.41 | Caelum | I didn't know Enlightenment still existed, last I heard about was like 1995 or something |
| 19:32.43 | zinx | Gnea: refer to definition of fad. |
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| 19:32.58 | ThePiratemaster | well x.org is better caz it has a higher version number |
| 19:33.03 | gravity | Dude |
| 19:33.04 | ThePiratemaster | lol, scared you didnt i :P |
| 19:33.06 | harleyg | WHO BANNED KRONOZ |
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| 19:33.09 | asg | harleyg: if kronoz was banned, kronoz was being silly or was accidentally caught in a large ban dragnet due to the bots |
| 19:33.15 | Gnea | zinx: whatever, if it works great for someone, fine |
| 19:33.16 | asg | harleyg: see #freenode |
| 19:33.17 | harleyg | asg, he was using aol |
| 19:33.19 | DoppelGanger | ThePiratemaster: good one :) |
| 19:33.19 | harleyg | thats it... |
| 19:33.26 | gravity | Somehow I doubt it |
| 19:33.27 | asg | harleyg: aol is not banned outright here |
| 19:33.28 | harleyg | he got banned for no reason |
| 19:33.29 | zinx | Gnea: i am merely saying that enlightenment is a fad, and Linux is not. i am trying to explain it to you, but you are not listening to me. you're just telling me to explain it over and over. if you have a problem with my explanation, please tell me what the problem is, rather than just asking me what my explanation is again. |
| 19:33.38 | gravity | harleyg: Complain to #freenode |
| 19:33.45 | TwistedEmotions | really? AOL'ers are banned? |
| 19:33.49 | harleyg | i believe i will complain here... |
| 19:33.53 | zinx | Gnea: i'm not claiming enlightenment shouldn't be used or that it's bad in any way |
| 19:34.01 | gravity | harleyg: If you do, you're going to get your voice taken awa |
| 19:34.09 | harleyg | really |
| 19:34.10 | zinx | Gnea: merely that it's a fad, and can't be compared to Linux in that way ;) |
| 19:34.14 | harleyg | its debian thing not freenode |
| 19:34.17 | harleyg | so listen and listen well |
| 19:34.20 | harleyg | unbanned kronoz! |
| 19:34.29 | zinx | Gnea: there will be an E18, and it won't be E17 |
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| 19:34.31 | TwistedEmotions | sawfish? Is that new? |
| 19:34.39 | zinx | Gnea: so it has happened, so it shall happen again. |
| 19:34.46 | Gnea | zinx: when i say that linux is a fad, it truely is - even ubuntu, elive, and other sub-distributions are all fads |
| 19:34.49 | Caelum | TwistedEmotions: nope, been around for a while |
| 19:34.51 | ThePiratemaster | but i guess etch will have xorg and 64-bit in a few months wont it? |
| 19:34.58 | gravity | ThePiratemaster: Less than that. |
| 19:35.00 | Gnea | zinx: yes yes, that goes without saying |
| 19:35.00 | TwistedEmotions | Caelum: Err... gotta google it. |
| 19:35.04 | ThePiratemaster | tnx :) |
| 19:35.12 | harleyg | greycat can ya unabann kronoz he didnt do anything... |
| 19:35.12 | gravity | Well, for xorg anyway. Can't say about 64 bit |
| 19:35.17 | antgel | Gnea: indeed. in 10 years we'll be using the hurd as it will be able to boot by then :P |
| 19:35.17 | Gnea | !troll harleyg |
| 19:35.21 | zinx | Gnea: maybe we're using different definitions of Linux.. when I think of Linux, I think of the kernel, as I develop either for the Linux kernel (doing kernel code), for *nix systems in general |
| 19:35.29 | harleyg | ... |
| 19:35.30 | harleyg | go suck |
| 19:35.37 | DoppelGanger | harleyg: how rude |
| 19:35.38 | Caelum | TwistedEmotions: there's a #sawfish here too |
| 19:35.43 | asg | harleyg: that attitude will not get you any attention. |
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| 19:35.49 | ThePiratemaster | getting rid of opensuse beta and starts downloading etch |
| 19:35.56 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 19:35.57 | DoppelGanger | asg: he just got some attention |
| 19:36.01 | zinx | Gnea: there's very little "fad" in the realm of the kernel.. the current kernel is based off some very early code; it's still the same beast that's been used for years. |
| 19:36.02 | gravity | That's enough of that |
| 19:36.06 | TwistedEmotions | did you just ban nvz? |
| 19:36.07 | asg | gravity: ah, I didn't see you. Bravo |
| 19:36.08 | Gnea | zinx: no, we're on the same page, i'm thinking the kernel too - i find bugs and report them and/or fix the problem so that they run nice and clean |
| 19:36.08 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
| 19:36.12 | antgel | ThePiratemaster: are you new to debian? |
| 19:36.14 | ThePiratemaster | Etch: The Network Installation |
| 19:36.17 | gravity | harleyg: You can ask in #freenode or you can /msg greycat privately. |
| 19:36.24 | ThePiratemaster | sounds like a bad nerd movie :P |
| 19:36.35 | ThePiratemaster | my servers run on sarge |
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| 19:36.46 | ThePiratemaster | i've been in 1/2 a year |
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| 19:36.57 | Gnea | zinx: but E17 is like any other large project, it's based off of a series of libraries, all of which is explained on the enlightenment.org website, and get-e.org |
| 19:36.59 | antgel | ThePiratemaster: ok. you aware with possible pitfalls of using testing? |
| 19:37.08 | ThePiratemaster | ofcourse |
| 19:37.22 | antgel | ThePiratemaster: you say of course, you'd be surprised :) |
| 19:37.28 | green_earz | antgel: the hurd is up and run, the young man in the uk as cleaned it up a lot. i think some is had a desktop on it |
| 19:37.46 | zinx | Gnea: so were the other E's :) |
| 19:37.52 | Gnea | zinx: and, i'm sorry you only see the eyecandy bit of it, but it's quite functional in any work environment, given that the user doesn't mind it |
| 19:37.52 | ThePiratemaster | i should just run updates frequently and make my bug reports and i'll be alright as long as i can read thel oggs |
| 19:38.23 | TwistedEmotions | ohhh! that is pimp! You can load irc into the desktop... |
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| 19:38.34 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know what program that is? |
| 19:38.39 | asg | TwistedEmotions: Eterm -O |
| 19:38.41 | DoppelGanger | pimp |
| 19:38.45 | TwistedEmotions | sexy |
| 19:38.51 | zinx | Gnea: oh, my problem with E isn't the eyecandy |
| 19:38.53 | DoppelGanger | whos been pimping again :) |
| 19:38.53 | asg | TwistedEmotions: and it works with any window manager |
| 19:38.55 | Gnea | zinx: i have a boss that prefers kde, but then he's used to using windows - it's a great transition program |
| 19:38.55 | FieldySnuts | pimp? what is this, #debian-rap ? |
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| 19:39.05 | problem2 | hello guys |
| 19:39.06 | asg | !beatboxsmite FieldySnuts |
| 19:39.16 | TwistedEmotions | asg: Weeee :) |
| 19:39.16 | antgel | ThePiratemaster: i suggest that running up_grade_s frequently is possibly going to cause grief at some point. better to upgrade packages as you need. and install apt-listbugs. |
| 19:39.17 | DoppelGanger | look hes on problem2 |
| 19:39.18 | problem2 | I have a problem while loging in on gnome |
| 19:39.24 | ThePiratemaster | can i run testing without a daily kernel panic? |
| 19:39.25 | TwistedEmotions | FieldySnuts: you whore. |
| 19:39.30 | Gnea | !tell problem2 about ask |
| 19:39.32 | antgel | ThePiratemaster: if you're lucky |
| 19:39.42 | omry | I have APT::Default-Release "testing" in /etc/apt/apt.conf. when I add an unstable repository, and try dist-upgrade, apt suggests that I upgrade a few packages. does it makes sense? (without the unstalbe repo I am up to date). |
| 19:39.43 | antgel | s/whore/ho |
| 19:39.50 | zinx | Gnea: mostly the fact it's very interdependent on itself and its own libraries that make nearly no use of other existing libraries, and that programs end up getting written using those libraries, and thus only work with E (in part because they require E libraries/interfaces, and in part because they require the E look/feel) |
| 19:39.51 | FieldySnuts | wtf |
| 19:39.59 | zinx | Gnea: rasterman is very very good at making programs completely dependent on E |
| 19:40.01 | problem2 | while loging with any user other than ROOT I will have a console that runs and that doesn't let me type |
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| 19:40.08 | antgel | omry: suggest you don't fuck your system up any more than you have |
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| 19:40.11 | zinx | Gnea: all in the name of eyecandy :/ |
| 19:40.12 | problem2 | this is instead of starting my desktop |
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| 19:40.22 | Gnea | zinx: what's wrong with making it look nice? |
| 19:40.23 | profesores | huevos |
| 19:40.32 | zinx | Gnea: also, i have a problem with the themes defining feel, instead of only look ;) |
| 19:40.33 | ThePiratemaster | apt-get dist-upgrade wasnt it? |
| 19:40.36 | DoppelGanger | huevos rancheros? |
| 19:40.39 | zinx | Gnea: Nothing is wrong with making it look nice. |
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| 19:40.40 | FieldySnuts | balls |
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| 19:40.44 | manu | I got this on traceroute result what does this mean -> 305.288 ms !H * 305.043 ms !H |
| 19:40.47 | Gnea | zinx: think about it - what sort of video cards are mostly in circulation today? |
| 19:40.51 | omry | antgel, I need to install a specific package which is from unstable. |
| 19:40.54 | zinx | Gnea: Making it look nice while completely ditching any remnance of interoperability is not something I want, however. |
| 19:41.04 | Gnea | zinx: that is not true. |
| 19:41.06 | omry | antgel, I am just ensuring that I don't fuck up my system. |
| 19:41.07 | FieldySnuts | funny. KDE and gnome do that. |
| 19:41.09 | antgel | !tell omry about pinning |
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| 19:41.16 | profesores | vas y chingas a toda tu reputisima rependegisima madre |
| 19:41.17 | zinx | Gnea: that's my past experience with E. |
| 19:41.20 | antgel | omry: good work :) |
| 19:41.23 | FieldySnuts | ingles damn it |
| 19:41.25 | zinx | Gnea: the whole epplet thing disgusts me |
| 19:41.26 | Gnea | zinx: useful applications that utilize evas, ewl and whatnot are and have been written |
| 19:41.34 | gravity | !es |
| 19:41.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:41.40 | Gnea | zinx: epplets were just a test |
| 19:41.42 | green_earz | omry: then use the -t option with apt-get. instead of upgrading the lot |
| 19:41.49 | manu | I got this on traceroute result what does this mean -> 305.288 ms !H * 305.043 ms !H |
| 19:41.56 | FieldySnuts | host unreachable |
| 19:41.59 | zinx | Gnea: i should warn you, it's not worth arguing with me about this |
| 19:41.59 | FieldySnuts | man traceroute |
| 19:42.07 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: oo a threat |
| 19:42.08 | zinx | Gnea: but if you want to, i'll indulge you |
| 19:42.10 | omry | antgel, according to http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html (the section about mixed system), I can do it without pinning. |
| 19:42.26 | zinx | Gnea: just know that there's a very good chance you'll be arguing with a brick wall :) |
| 19:42.27 | DoppelGanger | profesores: te amo tambien :-p |
| 19:42.31 | Gnea | zinx: i don't see this as an argument, more of a debate :) |
| 19:42.31 | manu | FieldySnuts: But ' !H * ' it looks strange |
| 19:42.31 | FieldySnuts | i find it really amusing that people are bitching about *cvs* code. yes it's gonna change. if you don't like it don't use it. |
| 19:42.32 | antgel | omry: as you seem to know your stuff, i'll leave it to you :_ |
| 19:42.37 | ThePiratemaster | how much kernel panics do you guys have? |
| 19:42.40 | FieldySnuts | manu: for the second time, man traceroute |
| 19:42.44 | deadcat | finally got the icons to show up in the dropdown menu: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/2005-09-03-123643_1194x833_scrot.png |
| 19:42.45 | ThePiratemaster | a week using etch? |
| 19:42.48 | zinx | Gnea: oh, i'm just warning you so you know you'll be wasting your time |
| 19:42.55 | antgel | !tell ThePiratemaster about polls |
| 19:42.59 | zinx | Gnea: i don't -really- like to waste people's time |
| 19:43.02 | omry | green_earz, thats the plan. I am just puzzled by the suggestion to upgrade, since my entire system is 'pinned' to testing (with that APT::Default-Release "testing") |
| 19:43.03 | profesores | na dien habla wspanish |
| 19:43.07 | gravity | ThePiratemaster: I've kernel panicked about... 3 times maybe? In the five years I've used Linux. |
| 19:43.08 | profesores | na dien habla spanish |
| 19:43.11 | FieldySnuts | ~es |
| 19:43.12 | apt | Para los usuarios debian de habla hispana que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es -- Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es |
| 19:43.13 | FieldySnuts | christ |
| 19:43.14 | Gnea | zinx: well, you're the one that started up on it, and it's the weekend, you're not wasting my time |
| 19:43.20 | antgel | *plonk* |
| 19:43.20 | zinx | Gnea: :) |
| 19:43.21 | Caelum | my system is pinned to experimental :) |
| 19:43.29 | ThePiratemaster | im talking about testing etch |
| 19:43.31 | gravity | ThePiratemaster: Almost all of which were on unstable full time |
| 19:43.36 | profesores | vas y chingas a toda tu reputisima rependegisima madre y culo aguado |
| 19:43.40 | DoppelGanger | FieldySnuts: whts the point he can't even spell correctly in spanish |
| 19:43.44 | Gnea | zinx: i appreciate your pointing that out :) |
| 19:43.53 | gravity | !aq profesores |
| 19:43.56 | antgel | DoppelGanger: heh |
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| 19:44.04 | zinx | Gnea: everything of E i've seen ends up either depending on nothing, or depending on everything |
| 19:44.12 | gravity | Being sworn at in spanish is irritiating |
| 19:44.17 | antgel | DoppelGanger: doesn't culo mean cunt? |
| 19:44.17 | TwistedEmotions | asg: I installed eterm and now I cant find it.. ;P |
| 19:44.18 | DoppelGanger | nadie not na dien |
| 19:44.22 | zinx | Gnea: i.e., either being not for E (but E will run it), or being only for E |
| 19:44.29 | DoppelGanger | antgel: ass |
| 19:44.30 | TwistedEmotions | asg: wont run as a command... |
| 19:44.34 | antgel | DoppelGanger: near enough |
| 19:44.37 | zinx | Gnea: this is in contrast to the gnome/kde programs which will pretty much run with anything; they don't care |
| 19:44.39 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what up. (= |
| 19:44.48 | zinx | Gnea: and they're becoming more interoperable as time goes on, rather than less |
| 19:44.53 | antgel | !start a wm war |
| 19:44.54 | dpkg | metacity bites! |
| 19:44.54 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Whhhhat up man! Missed you ;) |
| 19:44.59 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: heh i find it funny he's wasting his time whining, instead of just not using it |
| 19:45.04 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: (=. fuck aim, hehe |
| 19:45.06 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: trying to setup eterm ;P |
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| 19:45.13 | zinx | Gnea: i very much dislike the "damn everyone eles, we're doing our own thing" attitude i get from E |
| 19:45.18 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahaha |
| 19:45.24 | FieldySnuts | heck, I like that attitude |
| 19:45.35 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ah.. what you like about eterm? background? |
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| 19:45.41 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: cant find another aim program ? |
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| 19:45.49 | zinx | FieldySnuts: well, i'm not claming E isn't right for everyone, just claiming i don't like it ;) |
| 19:45.52 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I just want irc to run in desktop |
| 19:45.54 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i can use gaim. but ... |
| 19:45.55 | Gnea | zinx: but that's what kde and gnome did. what's wrong with attitude? why, you're whole "my attitude is to hate other attitudes" could be taken the wrong way |
| 19:45.57 | FieldySnuts | then don't use it and shut up |
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| 19:46.11 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: http://xwinman.org/screenshots/fluxbox-dbl.jpg |
| 19:46.24 | Maulkin | TwistedEmotions: graphical, or terminal? :) |
| 19:46.25 | zinx | Gnea: i have my own opinions and beliefs, and i'm perfectly fine with disliking opinions and beliefs that don't mesh with my own |
| 19:46.26 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: exactly. |
| 19:46.32 | asg | TwistedEmotions: Eterm |
| 19:46.35 | asg | TwistedEmotions: not eterm |
| 19:46.40 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: oh. you can use aterm+irssi |
| 19:46.45 | green_earz | omry: sorry i thought you where upgrading for a package. i use pinning once and that was for kde, on a single package have a look at using the -t option with apt-get. a lot less work. one for the futer |
| 19:46.51 | TwistedEmotions | Maulkin: terminal |
| 19:46.52 | Gnea | zinx: then here's a piece of advice that just got thrown up in your face: STFU and move on. :) |
| 19:46.54 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: let me show you |
| 19:46.54 | zinx | FieldySnuts: I don't; again, i'm not saying anything about what you should or should not do. |
| 19:46.58 | zinx | jesus |
| 19:46.58 | TwistedEmotions | asg: ohhh... whoops |
| 19:47.00 | FieldySnuts | yeah. |
| 19:47.01 | Caelum | rxvt-unicode is very nice btw |
| 19:47.01 | antgel | TwistedEmotions: you don't want your desktop to look like that, surely. |
| 19:47.05 | zinx | i was never saying other people shouldn't use it |
| 19:47.16 | zinx | i was explaining why _I_ _personally_ do not like or use it. |
| 19:47.17 | Gnea | but you just put your opinion out on the table |
| 19:47.18 | zinx | please don't flame me for that. |
| 19:47.20 | TwistedEmotions | antgel: not like that... I just want irc on desktop.. |
| 19:47.27 | TwistedEmotions | not in a seperate window... |
| 19:47.27 | Gnea | THEN KEEP IT TO PRIVATE MESSAGE |
| 19:47.28 | Maulkin | TwistedEmotions: I'd suggest rxvt + irssi :) |
| 19:47.29 | FieldySnuts | you are posting flamebait, go figure |
| 19:47.32 | TwistedEmotions | whooa.. I use XMMS |
| 19:47.33 | zinx | o_O |
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| 19:47.36 | ThePiratemaster | so in short: use etch? |
| 19:47.51 | asg | antgel: aterm isnt too bad. rxvt is lean though. |
| 19:47.52 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you on? |
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| 19:48.04 | DoppelGanger | the skin says winamp hence the joke :) |
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| 19:48.38 | antgel | asg: that's why. comes from nortel days with _many_ terminals open. xterm footprint is sickening. as for the gnome/kde ones *puke* |
| 19:48.38 | ThePiratemaster | ah theh ell withj it, if my comp blows up i'll step outside and kill some peasants for it |
| 19:48.48 | brick | anyone know how to find out which process is using a kernel module? |
| 19:49.00 | FieldySnuts | lsof |
| 19:49.06 | TwistedEmotions | DoppelGanger: Ahh.. sorry.. Im dead tired... jokes wont register for like another hour... at which time if you are in #debian.. I will laugh. |
| 19:49.15 | brick | cool FieldySnuts, they open it directly?? |
| 19:49.17 | brick | i will look |
| 19:49.22 | FieldySnuts | huh? |
| 19:49.26 | asg | antgel: agreed. I run with usually between 15 and 30 terms and one firefox. |
| 19:50.07 | marc | 15 to 30 terms and no lynx? ;) |
| 19:50.24 | antgel | s/lynx/elinks |
| 19:50.34 | brick | FieldySnuts: no way man, processes don't open kernel modules ... they get inserted into the running kernel and referred to through its APIs |
| 19:50.36 | asg | marc: that's a given. Some of work's web interfaces are not lynx compatible (hence the firefox) |
| 19:50.43 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: something like this? sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/xwd_20050903_32509.png |
| 19:50.47 | FieldySnuts | brick: why are you telling me this |
| 19:51.03 | brick | FieldySnuts: lsof doesn't show them |
| 19:51.08 | brick | so i am still looking |
| 19:51.09 | FieldySnuts | user error. |
| 19:51.10 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: haahha HUUUGE picture... |
| 19:51.11 | FieldySnuts | bye |
| 19:51.19 | marc | asg: yeh, just jocking. |
| 19:51.27 | brick | if it's any consolation, i don't understand you either. |
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| 19:51.49 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: 2560 x 1024 |
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| 19:52.24 | TwistedEmotions | uhhh |
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| 19:52.33 | antgel | why do people post images of their desktops? it's like posting your cock. oh. i see. |
| 19:52.34 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: yeah... without the ugly green chicks.. |
| 19:52.46 | TwistedEmotions | antgel: wana see my cock? |
| 19:52.47 | clarissa | antgel x.x |
| 19:52.47 | deadcat | antgel: shut up.. moron |
| 19:52.50 | DoppelGanger | he eh antgel no cock posting allowed |
| 19:52.52 | DoppelGanger | he eh |
| 19:52.53 | TwistedEmotions | antgel: www.downyourthroat.com |
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| 19:53.02 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahah.. |
| 19:53.02 | clarissa | oh deadcat is back :) |
| 19:53.03 | antgel | @dict moron |
| 19:53.05 | FieldySnuts | must be the weekend. |
| 19:53.08 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'moron' (2 of 4): a person of subnormal intelligence ;; \Mo*ron"\ (m[-o]*r[=o]n"), n.; Sp. pl. {Morones}. [Sp.] An inferior olive size having a woody pulp and a large clingstone pit, growing in the mountainous and high-valley districts around the city of Moron, in Spain. [Webster 1913 Suppl.]. |
| 19:53.19 | deadcat | clarissa: what up (=... i was request to leave the channel lastnight (= |
| 19:53.30 | clarissa | its fine ^^ |
| 19:53.39 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: what options did you ise to do that? |
| 19:53.49 | clarissa | today i have with many help installed my graphic card :) |
| 19:53.54 | clarissa | and a game ^-^ |
| 19:54.00 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: do the aterm transparent? |
| 19:54.08 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: is that karsten...? Trying to whore around? |
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| 19:54.23 | FieldySnuts | no that's somebody else |
| 19:54.26 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: set it up like you did... asking what the options are.. |
| 19:54.28 | clarissa | but i must leave now irc :) have fun here deadcat ^^ hugs |
| 19:54.32 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nah. hahah.. i saw him last sat... |
| 19:54.54 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahaa was just kidding... karsten has around here yesterday or something like that... |
| 19:54.59 | deadcat | clarissa: come back when no ops around i can be mean again (= |
| 19:54.59 | antgel | deadcat: i'm not sure that i _am_ a moron |
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| 19:55.06 | clarissa | okay xD |
| 19:55.15 | antgel | TwistedEmotions: for the record, no. |
| 19:55.26 | clarissa | purrs to deadcat |
| 19:55.27 | FieldySnuts | ~moron antgel |
| 19:55.32 | deadcat | antgel: just shut up and got look at TwistedEmotions's cock at www.downyourthroat.com |
| 19:55.40 | FieldySnuts | um. |
| 19:55.44 | FieldySnuts | apt: test |
| 19:55.45 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
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| 19:55.51 | antgel | FieldySnuts: it's good enough |
| 19:55.59 | TwistedEmotions | antgel: What? that was the best come back you could come up with? after like 20 minutes? |
| 19:56.03 | takatumi | success!! yippeee! |
| 19:56.03 | FieldySnuts | geez moron got deleted / changed |
| 19:56.07 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i dont get it. you want to make aterm look like what i have on the screenshot? |
| 19:56.13 | antgel | TwistedEmotions: yep |
| 19:56.15 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hes slow. |
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| 19:56.28 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: yes. he is. and yes thats what I am aiming to do. |
| 19:56.38 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i think he had to phone a friend for that one (= |
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| 19:56.43 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahaha |
| 19:56.59 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: fuck it... gotta go to work for a few... brb in like a hour. |
| 19:57.10 | deadcat | k |
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| 19:57.49 | steve_ | hey- you know for using apt-get, how can i tell which one is the fastest to download from? |
| 19:57.57 | asg | steve_: apt-spy |
| 19:58.00 | asg | steve_: ymmv |
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| 19:58.21 | SerajewelKS | does vnc4server support SSL or will i need to stunnel? |
| 19:58.26 | steve_ | ymmv???? |
| 19:58.29 | asg | !ymmv |
| 19:58.29 | dpkg | i heard ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
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| 19:58.36 | asg | SerajewelKS: you need a stunnel or ssh tunnel |
| 19:58.39 | FieldySnuts | vnc does not have its own encryption |
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| 19:58.46 | SerajewelKS | hrm |
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| 19:59.01 | FieldySnuts | tightvnc at least has -via |
| 19:59.07 | FieldySnuts | man vncviewer in that case |
| 19:59.09 | RedPenguin | Does Debian have it's only way of DNS? I removed an address from /etc/hosts but still ping doesn't grab the correct address for the DNS. |
| 19:59.12 | SerajewelKS | well, the non-free realvnc does... i'm surprised encryption or SSL support hasn't been worked into open-source vnc by now |
| 19:59.18 | FieldySnuts | RedPenguin: no |
| 19:59.38 | FieldySnuts | SerajewelKS: yeah that is a disappointment, but tunneling through ssh is easy |
| 19:59.52 | asg | SerajewelKS: no need to re-invent the wheel if you have stunnel and ssh |
| 19:59.56 | RedPenguin | I had a DNS set to the machines's LAN IP but still ping thinks the address's ip is the LAN IP. Not even a reboot works. |
| 20:00.06 | Lra_ | how do i make a bash script? |
| 20:00.12 | SerajewelKS | asg, well then let's scrap https and use stunnel for http |
| 20:00.13 | FieldySnuts | with a text editor |
| 20:00.15 | asg | RedPenguin: is some nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf providing the resolution. |
| 20:00.29 | Lra_ | FieldySnuts - how do i replace vars? |
| 20:00.30 | asg | SerajewelKS: I do on some servers that don't have a lot of load |
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| 20:00.33 | gravity | Lra_: You just write it, put '#!/bin/bash' on the top line, and chmod +x it. Then it's a script. |
| 20:00.36 | Slart_ | Is there a way to force a reinstall of a package without first removing it? (using debian testing) |
| 20:00.41 | z0unds- | Hey why does root only have RW and execute privlidges when i set the option to defaults in /etc/fstab |
| 20:00.42 | RedPenguin | Shouldn't, it's a DNS from no-ip.org and every other machine uses the same DNS servers, and get the IP correct |
| 20:00.50 | SerajewelKS | asg, if you use an ssh tunnel you've gotta specify some compression options to the vnc server, because it doesn't compress when it gets connected to from localhost |
| 20:00.56 | Lra_ | thanks gravity |
| 20:01.15 | asg | SerajewelKS: or you can let ssh do the compression of the data stream (-C) |
| 20:01.16 | FieldySnuts | oh no I have to pass one or two more options, the world will end. |
| 20:01.20 | Lra_ | do i have to save it anywhere special? |
| 20:01.21 | gravity | Lra_: No problem. I recommend the advanced bash scripting guide on linuxdoc.org |
| 20:01.28 | gravity | Lra_: Not really |
| 20:01.37 | steve_ | apt-spy says : couldn't find country |
| 20:01.54 | gravity | Lra_: I have a ~/bin directory that I add to my PATH that I put such scripts in so I don't have to type the full path to run them |
| 20:01.55 | SerajewelKS | asg, nah, VNC has specialized crap |
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| 20:01.58 | asg | gravity: he could install abs-guide also |
| 20:02.00 | marc | Slart_: apt-get install --reinstall package |
| 20:02.09 | Lra_ | ok - do i replace say 'filename' with %filename ? |
| 20:02.09 | gravity | asg: Right, good point |
| 20:02.10 | z0unds- | Only root can read,write and execute in /media/hda6 - i set the options to defaults in /etc/fstab for hda6 - why is it only root that can do those things?? |
| 20:02.19 | asg | gravity: though if he's on sarge, it might not be as up to date. |
| 20:02.20 | steve_ | any one know how to use apt-spy? |
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| 20:02.22 | Slart_ | thanks, marc |
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| 20:02.32 | FieldySnuts | man apt-spy ? just a guess, I don't use it |
| 20:02.35 | antgel | z0unds-: man mount. read the options |
| 20:02.43 | antgel | steve_: man apt-spy |
| 20:02.49 | asg | SerajewelKS: are you administering Linux machines with VNC? or Windows ones? |
| 20:02.51 | steve_ | i did tha man page |
| 20:02.52 | antgel | wow, i am slow |
| 20:02.59 | SerajewelKS | asg, linux |
| 20:03.06 | SerajewelKS | linux-to-linux |
| 20:03.10 | FieldySnuts | admin with vnc? heh. |
| 20:03.17 | marc | use freenx |
| 20:03.17 | asg | SerajewelKS: odd, okay. |
| 20:03.30 | SerajewelKS | some javascript crap i gotta download... need to run firefox for a sec |
| 20:03.35 | FieldySnuts | freenx is a pain in the ass to install, and its server is questionable licensewise |
| 20:03.40 | SerajewelKS | since elinks doesn't have JS |
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| 20:04.13 | asg | !hug stunnel |
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| 20:04.27 | marc | as far as i know the core libraries are GPL |
| 20:04.34 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 20:04.36 | FieldySnuts | /dev/hdf1 38G 34G 3.4G 91% /mnt/backup time for a bigger drive... |
| 20:04.43 | asg | FieldySnuts: apt-get clean :p |
| 20:05.03 | Bac9 | FieldySnuts: why do you need a gui desktop to adminester a *nix box? |
| 20:05.08 | FieldySnuts | Bac9: heck if I know |
| 20:05.28 | FieldySnuts | Bac9: for the gui kiddies who use the word "admin" liberally i guess |
| 20:05.30 | Bac9 | FieldySnuts: then what's this talk of vnc? (mind you I just came in in middle of conversation) |
| 20:05.32 | FieldySnuts | ~dict liberally |
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| 20:05.36 | SerajewelKS | heh |
| 20:05.38 | FieldySnuts | Bac9: yeah I'm not using it |
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| 20:05.48 | SerajewelKS | Bac9, two words: firefox. qemu. |
| 20:05.48 | Bac9 | FieldySnuts: for gui kiddies there's webmin |
| 20:05.58 | FieldySnuts | Bac9: also good at fucking up config files |
| 20:06.02 | antgel | FieldySnuts: you forgot PC Anywhere |
| 20:06.06 | FieldySnuts | hah |
| 20:06.08 | asg | antgel: *shudder* |
| 20:06.13 | SerajewelKS | FieldySnuts, for crying out loud, i'm not using GUI configuration tools |
| 20:06.15 | Bac9 | FieldySnuts: if you're good you should be good at all aspects :-) |
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| 20:06.28 | FieldySnuts | SerajewelKS: I didn't say you were, feeling guilty about something? |
| 20:06.32 | SerajewelKS | FieldySnuts, Bac9, you can stop making stupid assumptions any time |
| 20:06.33 | Bac9 | antgel: or just run a remote Xserver |
| 20:06.40 | FieldySnuts | what the fuck, I never said anything about you |
| 20:06.43 | FieldySnuts | so lay off |
| 20:06.52 | Bac9 | SerajewelKS: k |
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| 20:07.01 | FieldySnuts | ~pee on SerajewelKS |
| 20:07.03 | apt | ACTION pees on SerajewelKS |
| 20:07.03 | Thaiger | Is there a gui to configure wine or atleast a sample config anywhere? |
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| 20:07.12 | marc | winetools? |
| 20:07.17 | Bac9 | FieldySnuts: I was refering to webmin |
| 20:07.25 | Bac9 | Thaiger: yes |
| 20:07.26 | huhmz | How do i download and install an older version of a package with apt-get? i noticed you cannot apt-get -t olderrelease install somepackage cause it will just say you already have the newest version |
| 20:07.28 | antgel | Thaiger: there's a winetk thing |
| 20:07.50 | gaasfet | Q_: why no kernel-source for 2.6.11 only 2.6.8 ?? ?? |
| 20:07.52 | Daffy-PKF | does someone have strange problems with the keyboard? (sid) Whan i type the 'm' key, it writes 'M' and activate caps-lock, whan i type the caps-lock key it activate caps-lock and prints a 'M', whan i type the left arrow key, it activates num-lock and go left, and when i type the num-lock key, it activate it and go left... |
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| 20:08.04 | FieldySnuts | i will admit webmin has one use; last resort if you manage to block yourself out from any other way, a backup of last resort |
| 20:08.05 | antgel | gaasfet: because stable _is_. |
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| 20:08.12 | FieldySnuts | better use it over https though |
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| 20:08.19 | antgel | FieldySnuts: you're scraping the barrel |
| 20:08.23 | FieldySnuts | run it on a non-default port as well |
| 20:08.26 | FieldySnuts | yeah no doubt |
| 20:08.36 | gaasfet | antgel: not shure what you mean ... |
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| 20:08.52 | FieldySnuts | no reason that should happen as I typically run three seperate sshd's on a given server |
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| 20:09.16 | antgel | gaasfet: are you asking why sarge doesn't contain 2.6.11? |
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| 20:09.32 | Thaiger | antgel: Any idea where I might get it? |
| 20:09.41 | joefso3 | What program is used best if I want to sniff microsoft messeneger(msn) conversations? e.g on local network? |
| 20:09.57 | FieldySnuts | tcpdump / ethereal |
| 20:09.58 | SerajewelKS | FieldySnuts, Bac9, sorry about that. i get really pissed when people tell me that i should be doing things a different way, when they don't have a clue what i'm even trying to accomplish. |
| 20:10.05 | antgel | Thaiger: apt-cache search wine |grep tk |
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| 20:10.09 | FieldySnuts | it's okay, stuff happen |
| 20:10.09 | FieldySnuts | s |
| 20:10.12 | marc | switched network? then you might take a look at ettercap |
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| 20:10.21 | FieldySnuts | heh ettercap is evil |
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| 20:10.22 | Bac9 | SerajewelKS: :-) |
| 20:10.24 | FieldySnuts | it's fun |
| 20:10.26 | cokeblood | hi mates! |
| 20:10.26 | gaasfet | antgel: I hope I don't, I use etch with 2.6.8 and though I might need kernel-source if I got to 2.6.11 |
| 20:10.29 | asg | FieldySnuts: if one *had* to use webmin, binding apache to localhost and using an ssh tunnel to bind the client would be at least minimally acceptible. |
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| 20:10.34 | Bac9 | SerajewelKS: I was trying to be humorous |
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| 20:10.41 | Daffy-PKF | what is the program that display a graphic utility to configure the x keyboard? |
| 20:10.46 | FieldySnuts | ~aussiesmite cokeblood |
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| 20:11.01 | FieldySnuts | i love how someone keeps removing my factoids |
| 20:11.01 | antgel | gaasfet: so you run etch and want 2.6.11? |
| 20:11.01 | cokeblood | what does that means FieldySnuts? |
| 20:11.05 | SerajewelKS | Bac9, my sarcasm meter must be off again ;) |
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| 20:11.11 | gaasfet | antgel: yessir |
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| 20:11.37 | Bac9 | SerajewelKS: it's usfull to turn it on, one might actually get some joy from talking here :-) |
| 20:11.41 | FieldySnuts | apt: aussiesmite me |
| 20:11.45 | FieldySnuts | oh come on |
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| 20:11.51 | FieldySnuts | apt: aussiesmite $1 is <reply> $1: ((yee bloody yank|(yeahhh righto|fair dinkum|fucking aye! that's really great! fucking oathe|bloody hell why dontcha go an arse over tit or tip|few roos loose in your top paddock) mate)|shut up ya bloody yank or i'll cut your acres off!|godamnit mate it's about time i mow the brigalo suckers bloody hell|yeahh bob's your uncle you stupid wanker) |
| 20:11.52 | apt | FieldySnuts: please, watch your language. |
| 20:11.57 | FieldySnuts | lame. |
| 20:12.09 | SerajewelKS | Bac9, i just woke up.. it takes a few hours to boot the meter up |
| 20:12.10 | antgel | gaasfet: i'm sure the source will enter testing soon, as the images seem to be there |
| 20:12.38 | antgel | FieldySnuts: can you add "jesus mate, who cut the dog in half"? |
| 20:12.42 | Bac9 | SerajewelKS: how long does it take to shut down at night? or do you laugh all through your dreams? j/k |
| 20:12.49 | SerajewelKS | lol |
| 20:12.55 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird has it, apt won't learn it because of the language, and i'm not about to censor |
| 20:12.56 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: You are moron #4 |
| 20:12.57 | cokeblood | hey guys, from my new installed debian i have a strange problem with pppoe. i configured it using pppoe-config, and it says it works.... plog and ifconfing seems fine too, but when i try to open a web page or to ping some adress i get no response! i can past plog, ifconfig pp0 and route -n on pastebin if you think that will help! |
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| 20:13.04 | FieldySnuts | dpkg knows it, i can't use that bot though |
| 20:13.04 | SerajewelKS | i wouldn't know, i'm aleep by then =P |
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| 20:13.10 | FieldySnuts | in fact, dpkg has the same version I just tried to teach apt |
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| 20:13.27 | asg | FieldySnuts: did dondelelcaro prevent you from using dpkg? |
| 20:13.30 | gaasfet | antgel: I though I used kernel-source for that Nvidia stuff but I see binary drivers reside on the deb repositories |
| 20:13.31 | antgel | cokeblood: can you ping your dns server? |
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| 20:13.36 | FieldySnuts | not sure, not really worried |
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| 20:13.54 | cokeblood | hmm antgel that's a thing i haven't tried |
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| 20:14.05 | FieldySnuts | heh this backup is destroying my shstem |
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| 20:14.11 | Bac9 | SerajewelKS: don't mind me I'm just talking noncense |
| 20:14.12 | antgel | cokeblood: think lateral. _be_ the packet. |
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| 20:14.15 | FieldySnuts | defnately will re-try the cfq scheduler |
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| 20:14.18 | cokeblood | anyway before i reboot i want you to check my outputs to check if something's wrong ok? |
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| 20:14.27 | antgel | cokeblood: no. ping your dns server. |
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| 20:14.40 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to tell a VNC server to only accept one connection at a time? (e.g. no shared desktop.. can't find the option on the manpage) |
| 20:14.47 | asg | antgel: or at least his gateway |
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| 20:15.05 | antgel | asg: well, ping something. anything. :) |
| 20:15.14 | FieldySnuts | ~mhb |
| 20:15.15 | apt | somebody said mhb was magic hate ball is <action> shakes the Magic Hate Ball. All the world's problems are caused by... utf8! |
| 20:15.16 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.21 | asg | antgel: :) |
| 20:15.45 | antgel | !bot abuse |
| 20:15.45 | asg | FieldySnuts: it's apt. You know apt has been schizo for 2 years or so now. |
| 20:15.45 | cokeblood | i tried with names, not with ip. ok, i'll reboot and try then. it'll take while, though. |
| 20:15.46 | n0ise | does deb have a dvdiso? |
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| 20:15.51 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 20:15.59 | cokeblood | see you in a few mins mates |
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| 20:16.03 | asg | cokeblood: no need to reboot |
| 20:16.07 | cokeblood | thanks for the hel anthel and green_earz |
| 20:16.10 | antgel | !tell n0ise about install debian |
| 20:16.12 | cokeblood | i'm not from debian now |
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| 20:16.16 | asg | cokeblood: oh, okay |
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| 20:16.21 | green_earz | n0ise: there is two dvds |
| 20:16.24 | cokeblood | i can't connect from debian... i'm using my fedora box |
| 20:16.31 | gaasfet | thanks antgel |
| 20:16.31 | jclinton | How can I report IRC spam? From private /query ? |
| 20:16.34 | cokeblood | that's why i wanted you to check my outputs first ^^ |
| 20:16.36 | asg | jclinton: /topic |
| 20:16.36 | antgel | !fedorasmite cokeblood |
| 20:16.41 | jclinton | asg: thanks |
| 20:16.56 | cokeblood | !fedorasmite |
| 20:16.57 | cokeblood | ? |
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| 20:17.11 | asg | cokeblood: nevermind, a purile channel joke |
| 20:17.19 | cokeblood | ok ^^ |
| 20:17.20 | jclinton | asg: that doesn't work |
| 20:17.21 | cokeblood | see you in a few |
| 20:17.28 | Daffy-PKF | hum, can someone help me find a way to solve my keyboard problem? |
| 20:17.29 | antgel | asg: where purile => sophisticated, yeah? |
| 20:17.30 | asg | jclinton: /msg dpkg mode +e |
| 20:17.33 | jclinton | asg: 502 jclinton :You can't change someone else's modes" |
| 20:17.44 | asg | jclinton: sorry, /msg dpkg mode e |
| 20:17.47 | green_earz | n0ise: if you do down load them use jigdo or bittorent so the iso will be error check when finished |
| 20:17.48 | asg | antgel: hah |
| 20:18.00 | jclinton | oh i see thanks asg |
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| 20:18.23 | j2^ | Evening all! |
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| 20:18.38 | TheBigfoot | anybody running fritz card dsl sl usb with debian ? need to know if it works |
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| 20:19.08 | petemc | TheBigfoot: if it works with the linux kernel, it will work with debian, google for it + linux |
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| 20:19.26 | j2^ | Refreh my memory here; Last time i installed a debian box from scratch, i think i used "tasksel" in order to chose "developing" as task to get all compiling stuff. But, when i tried 3.1 there is no such option in tasksel. Is there another metapackage i can't find? |
| 20:19.39 | petemc | j2^: build-essential |
| 20:19.45 | TheBigfoot | petemc, i know that avm offers drivers for it, but not al drivers work good ;) |
| 20:20.06 | petemc | this is true |
| 20:20.30 | TheBigfoot | so I want to ask if somebody already tried it ;) |
| 20:20.33 | j2^ | petemc: Ah, thanks. |
| 20:20.42 | petemc | amd you did, i was just offering advice |
| 20:21.16 | j2^ | petemc: that gives me a buch of dependencies error, and i cant seem to resolve them, any more hints? |
| 20:21.27 | green_earz | now i am using conference mode with the chat client so i can not see any joining or leaving the channel. so some benifits but i can not see any one leaving. so are the there or not ?? haa |
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| 20:21.36 | petemc | j2^: it, obviously, shouldnt do that |
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| 20:22.05 | j2^ | petemc: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 20:22.05 | j2^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.05 | j2^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.05 | j2^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.06 | j2^ | E: Broken packages |
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| 20:22.16 | j2^ | I SHOULD have guessed.... |
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| 20:22.23 | antgel | j2^: /topic |
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| 20:22.47 | V4mp | anyone know about exim4? |
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| 20:22.53 | j2^ | V4mp: i know a fair share |
| 20:22.55 | antgel | !tell V4mp about ask |
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| 20:23.13 | j2^ | petemc: did you see the dep-error? |
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| 20:24.01 | petemc | j2^: i did, doesnt look too good, if you havent done anything silly like mix packages from different versions of debian, check the bts |
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| 20:24.17 | j2^ | petemc: No, straight install from a netinst disk |
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| 20:24.25 | V4mp | j2^: well how does it work.. like how do i start it and add email accounts and other domains |
| 20:24.26 | antgel | j2^: sarge netinstall? |
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| 20:24.41 | antgel | V4mp: why don't you read the extremely long manual? |
| 20:24.54 | j2^ | Antgel: Uhm, a 20050903 build yes. |
| 20:24.55 | petemc | j2^: it looks liek you've been compiling your own software to me... |
| 20:25.01 | asg | antgel: that's the funniest thing I've heard all day |
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| 20:25.04 | j2^ | petemc: No, i am _trying_ to compile :) |
| 20:25.10 | V4mp | because i will forget what any of it says |
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| 20:25.33 | j2^ | V4mp: Exim is a MTA, it transfers mail. It works very well, but it does not care about how you add users or anything. That is not the job of a MTA. |
| 20:25.47 | petemc | V4mp: when you install exim, you will get the chance to configure it via debconf, to do that again, run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, anything more exotic that what you can do with debconf, you'll have to read up on |
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| 20:26.06 | antgel | asg: i'm trying to keep cool. new strategy is to *plonk* earlier than i used to :) |
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| 20:26.26 | asg | antgel: ah |
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| 20:26.46 | petemc | antgel: to be fair, telling people to rtfm is of limited use... |
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| 20:26.54 | antgel | V4mp: actually, you will forget everything in the manual. i know, i read the fucking thing. it's not exactly shakespeare |
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| 20:27.10 | aladds | hi all |
| 20:27.12 | asg | petemc: in that case though, it is very useful since the spec is complete (and the attendant faq contains many examples.) |
| 20:27.16 | metaperl | when buying an external USB hard drive (1) does one need a hardware-specific driver (2) can they be daisy chained as in the SCSI days? |
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| 20:27.27 | antgel | j2^: it's not sarge if it was built today. use sarge and come back |
| 20:27.33 | aladds | can i have some help getting acpi working on my vaio pcg-505g? |
| 20:27.44 | petemc | asg: the spec is certainly complete, it would be hard to infer some core concepts from it tho, its quite terse |
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| 20:27.51 | j2^ | metaperl: No, not usually. No, not unless it has a integrated USB-hub (in that order). |
| 20:27.57 | antgel | metaperl: supported by usb mass storage driver. you need a hub, no daisy-chain |
| 20:28.19 | metaperl | i see |
| 20:28.22 | V4mp | well i installed it via apt-get and i only know one person that uses it how i would like to be able to use it but they aint been on for a while |
| 20:28.25 | asg | petemc: agreed. The exim4 book and, while outdated, the exim3 O'Reilly book provide the core concepts regarding Exim and Internet mail in general. |
| 20:28.27 | antgel | petemc: why? |
| 20:28.35 | V4mp | is it supposed to autorun? |
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| 20:28.43 | j2^ | antgel: debian-31r0-i386-netinst a better choise? |
| 20:28.45 | aladds | i downloaded the kernel sources (2.6.8) and the correnct acpi patch but i get errors on applyinh the patch |
| 20:28.46 | antgel | V4mp: do you know what exim does and why you want to use it? |
| 20:28.59 | antgel | j2^: 31r0a, but there's not much difference |
| 20:29.03 | petemc | antgel: thats just the way it, dont get me wrong, its salient advice... |
| 20:29.06 | petemc | +is |
| 20:29.14 | j2^ | V4mp: Again, Exim is NOT a "mail server" it is just a MTA, you need other software to actually be able to use it for pop/imap/whatever. |
| 20:29.27 | j2^ | antgel: My misstake, thats what it says. |
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| 20:29.34 | j2^ | antgel; so what have i downloaded then?` |
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| 20:29.48 | petemc | j2^: for real users, you dont need pop/imap |
| 20:29.50 | antgel | j2^: probably a nightly build of the debian-installer |
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| 20:30.08 | antgel | petemc: suspect a troll anyway |
| 20:30.11 | j2^ | petemc: No, but sice he wanted to add uses "for other domains", i dared to assume... ;) |
| 20:30.18 | petemc | fair enough :) |
| 20:30.36 | j2^ | antgel: Alright, i thought that was the stable release, right.. Erase and rewind. |
| 20:30.36 | V4mp | i don't really know how to go about mail server and things like that because i have never done it before and my mate has only ever used mail servers for windows |
| 20:30.38 | petemc | in which case, irc is indeed not the right starting point |
| 20:30.45 | antgel | *plonk* |
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| 20:31.12 | petemc | V4mp: at the end of ther day, you need to do a fair bit of reading, its not that hard, but not trvial, you couldnt wing it |
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| 20:31.32 | asg | V4mp: then I suggest you get a good book (Exim4 from cambridge press for example) |
| 20:32.04 | asg | V4mp: also, #exim may know of some newbie introductory material |
| 20:32.06 | j2^ | V4mp: I second petemc there. Exim is very user firendly, but you will NOT get it right by experimenting.. a LOT of components need to fit togehter. |
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| 20:32.55 | V4mp | i do not learn from reading thats a problem i have because if i read up on something i will think after.. what the hell did i jus read about like what did i have to do |
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| 20:33.14 | asg | V4mp: then read and do at the same time (have the book next to your computer, etc.) |
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| 20:34.29 | V4mp | asg i could do that etc.. but i would forget afterwords for when i do it again and i hate reading things up everytime |
| 20:34.33 | antgel | !test |
| 20:34.34 | dpkg | Sorry, antgel, I didn't get your test. |
| 20:34.34 | j2^ | antgel: I guess the answer here is "no". but is there any way to "downgrade" to 31r0a, or do i need to wipe it? (would like to have to reboot the system from CD, since i wll have to pull my own box down to get a CD=. |
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| 20:34.52 | antgel | !tell j2^ about downgrade |
| 20:35.00 | V4mp | i haven't got as far as i have with reading up i have never read up on a single thing |
| 20:35.02 | antgel | j2^: you want to reinstall |
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| 20:35.19 | asg | V4mp: I have the same problem. Therefore, I only remember in which books, manpages, etc. the thing I need is (and then look said thing up as necessary.) |
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| 20:35.30 | j2^ | antgel: *sigh* Yeah, i guess.. Ah well, its only 10.35pm here :) |
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| 20:35.39 | asg | V4mp: keeping a ~/NEAT-SHIT.txt file is also helpful |
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| 20:35.44 | j2^ | wonder if that old box will boot from USB? |
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| 20:35.52 | antgel | j2^: check the bios |
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| 20:36.06 | j2^ | antgel: Its a Dual Pentium Pro 200.. need i say more? ;) |
| 20:36.13 | antgel | j2^: it's the weekend. seize the day, install debian |
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| 20:36.23 | j2^ | V4mp: or give www.xams.org a go? |
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| 20:36.58 | V4mp | asg: you know of an easy but decent mail server that would help me to start on the mailserver side of things? |
| 20:37.02 | green_earz | j2^: have a mini install fest |
| 20:37.24 | j2^ | green_earz: Wish i could find 2 more plugs and VRM's.. then it would be a Quad :) |
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| 20:37.54 | asg | V4mp: postfix is probably one you can easily work with. Again, though, Internet Mail is a large topic so even that will require a lot of study. |
| 20:39.04 | asg | V4mp: also, /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
| 20:39.10 | green_earz | and you are using the smp kernel image. ? |
| 20:39.14 | asg | V4mp: that should give you and understanding of the core concepts |
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| 20:39.42 | whitehorse1 | [Fairly-Newbie. Sarge, 2.4.27-2-386]. For two days I've been reading manuals/FAQs online; maybe the wrong ones. :/ Problem: ATI Radeon 9600 Pro, by default whatever Sarge installs as doesn't properly support it; so 800x600 (ugh) is max res. I can set to. A debian.org page recommnded the proposed-updates apt/sources repository be used too, so I did. ATI's website had drivers on this Radeon...it but I just got permission deneied trying to use the |
| 20:39.42 | whitehorse1 | even when root and ALT-f'key'd to the commandline. Fortunately (?) Xfree86's site gave me the info the latest stable version does support my Radeon 9600Pro GFX card model and version: /pub/XFree86/4.5.0/binaries/Linux-ix86-glibc23 would be suitable. Once I install that I can upgrade KDE to latest stable too, if necessary. Having downloaded the files to install the XFree86 version, I need to exit KDE/the X server/clients running - help |
| 20:39.43 | whitehorse1 | appreciated with "how"? Also, if I've got v. confused over what I need to do, please let me know. |
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| 20:39.54 | j2^ | green_earz: if that was for me, yes. |
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| 20:40.07 | travisat | 8o |
| 20:40.09 | whitehorse1 | Er sorry, was trying to include useful info. Maybe I overdid it. :( |
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| 20:40.27 | smains | !kernel-source |
| 20:40.29 | green_earz | the smp for Dual cpu |
| 20:40.32 | smains | hmm |
| 20:40.56 | asg | whitehorse1: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti (might help) |
| 20:41.01 | j2^ | antgel: Does the following seem to be the right release? If i use floppies, i dont have to dismantle my PC :) ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/debian/dists/Debian3.1r0/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 20:41.03 | smains | can somebody help with an installation of vmware ? |
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| 20:41.43 | whitehorse1 | asg: Going there now, to check if it's one I've read over past few days. thank you |
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| 20:41.56 | smains | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 20:41.57 | smains | kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] <- And i write my path to my source files (/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8) |
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| 20:42.26 | smains | but then it just says that "The path "/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686-smp" is an existing directory, but |
| 20:42.26 | smains | it does not contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as |
| 20:42.26 | smains | expected." |
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| 20:42.41 | syntaxx | nvidia isnt on apt? i tried to follow the doc in home.comcast.net |
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| 20:43.00 | j2^ | Hm, is there a boot floppy for Sarge that will let me do the rest of install from USB-memory stick? |
| 20:43.07 | chealer | syntaxx, what do you mean? what step is problematic? |
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| 20:43.15 | smains | can anybody help ? |
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| 20:43.28 | mathieu_ | where are mysql log files stored in sid and how do i view them ? |
| 20:43.29 | syntaxx | chealer: i check apt-cache search nvidia but it doesnt show any nvidia-kernel-src |
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| 20:43.34 | asg | mathieu_: /var/log/mysql |
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| 20:43.47 | mathieu_ | /var/log/mysql/mysql.err is empty when it should not be |
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| 20:44.26 | syntaxx | chealer: then trying apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source it says unable to locate package |
| 20:44.31 | chealer | syntaxx, I believe it's an old package name |
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| 20:44.35 | whitehorse1 | asg et. al: Ok, back from the Debian0ATI webpage, I read a long FAQ earlier today about XFree86 & debian. The ATI page said X.org might support ATI better and I know future Debian versions'll have X.org, but isn't XFree86 supportive of more cards? I thought Ubuntu changed to XFree86 'cause of that in their latest stable in April? |
| 20:44.39 | gerzel | hello. |
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| 20:44.55 | gravity | uhhhhhh |
| 20:44.59 | gin | syntaxx, u can frind driver nvidia in his official site, http://nvidia.com |
| 20:45.09 | syntaxx | chealer: but apt-cache search nvidia shows only nvtv |
| 20:45.21 | gravity | whitehorse1: Ubuntu definitely did not change to XFree86. I don't know who you're talking to, but they're an idiot |
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| 20:45.22 | chealer | !smite gin |
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| 20:45.49 | chealer | syntaxx, do you have non-free (and contrib) sources? |
| 20:45.58 | whitehorse1 | gravity: ok, noted. merci |
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| 20:46.13 | syntaxx | chealer: none |
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| 20:47.02 | syntaxx | gin: whats IA"32" 32mb? |
| 20:47.11 | gin | yes |
| 20:47.34 | syntaxx | ok |
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| 20:47.46 | chealer | syntaxx, you need them |
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| 20:47.50 | smains | nevermind, figured it out by myself |
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| 20:48.11 | Daffy-PKF | can someone help? my keyboard is weird... some keys are acting for two keys (example: 'm' and caps-lock are both activating the caps-lock and printing a 'M') |
| 20:48.12 | gin | syntaxx, its a bin file, u need stop, gdm, kdm, x, whateva WM. |
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| 20:48.22 | gin | and run it from tty console. |
| 20:48.26 | syntaxx | chealer: if i download from apt-get do i need to configure it? or it will auto install? |
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| 20:48.43 | syntaxx | gin: aww.. ok hmm.. but how to stop if my x is auto load on boot? |
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| 20:48.50 | asg | syntaxx: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 20:48.57 | syntaxx | thanks |
| 20:49.06 | chealer | !tell gin about nvidia-installer |
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| 20:49.24 | whitehorse1 | If the latest stable version of XFree86 supports my Radeon 9600Pro (which it does, according to their site); wouldn't it be better to upgrade to that, rather than switch to/use X.org? Additionally, bearing in mind my experience level, would I a) be able to use the new XFree86 version w.out probs since Debian forked it or b) If I go the X.org route, is it installable through KDE, or 'not that easy'? |
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| 20:49.53 | green_earz | syntaxx: to get the non-free for your atp source . you can use "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" change to low and then use "apt-setup" to pick your mirror and use the non-free option |
| 20:49.54 | syntaxx | chealer: which is better from nvidia.com or in apt-get? |
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| 20:50.03 | chealer | syntaxx, I'm not sure how to answer you, but I'd advise you to follow the HOWTO |
| 20:50.07 | antgel | whitehorse1: you want to move to xorg. it's a fork of xfree86 |
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| 20:50.16 | whitehorse1 | antgel: thank you |
| 20:50.17 | syntaxx | ok |
| 20:50.25 | antgel | Daffy-PKF: have you tried another keyboard? |
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| 20:50.28 | Overand | this is a wholly insane question, but - could you do software raid with NFS mounts? That is to say, actually run your stripe across several machines on a network? |
| 20:50.33 | gin | syntaxx, thats easy, what Window manager are u using ? |
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| 20:50.39 | gravity | whitehorse1: X.Org supports the 9600. How different is the 9600Prot? |
| 20:50.43 | gravity | Pro even |
| 20:50.43 | syntaxx | gin: xdm |
| 20:50.49 | antgel | whitehorse1: only thing is, if you are new, using testing / unstable could end in tears |
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| 20:51.06 | gravity | !xorg stable |
| 20:51.06 | asg | whitehorse1: if you are running sarge, then you might use Norbert's backported packages (/msg dpkg xorg sarge) |
| 20:51.11 | chealer | syntaxx, "apt-get" |
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| 20:51.53 | whitehorse1 | gravity: same pretty much. XFree86 version that comes with sarge doesnt support it tho. so x.org seems a good opption |
| 20:52.00 | chealer | syntaxx, although apt-get is just a front-end to APT, so any APT front-end will be better than using nvidia.com's installer |
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| 20:52.19 | syntaxx | alryt |
| 20:52.21 | gin | syntaxx, when u have downloaded, press ctrl + alt + F1 |
| 20:52.26 | chealer | !tell syntaxx about nvidia-installer |
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| 20:52.35 | gravity | whitehorse1: Yeah. Use the xorg sarge backport that asg suggested |
| 20:52.37 | gin | ur xdm always is located on, F7 |
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| 20:52.42 | syntaxx | ok |
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| 20:52.58 | whitehorse1 | antgel: well, I'd carry on using Sarge, just with some ppackages being from newer dists - testing/unstable :-) Or... doesn't it work that way? |
| 20:53.02 | takatumi | phew! |
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| 20:53.07 | takatumi | gravity: success!! |
| 20:53.09 | syntaxx | gin: what do i need to download the graphics driver or display driver? or both? |
| 20:53.14 | gravity | takatumi: With the printer? What was the problem? |
| 20:53.17 | gin | u'll chante to console tty, and u'll login later put; /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 20:53.25 | Daffy-PKF | antgel> i will, but how can a keyboard become weird in half an hour of time? |
| 20:53.34 | gin | IA32 Driver only. |
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| 20:53.39 | takatumi | gravity: dunno, removed and reinstalled everything, created a new one. |
| 20:53.45 | gravity | heh, ok |
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| 20:54.02 | antgel | whitehorse1: yes, but these things can end in tears. especially when you decide to take more apps from backports. one _good_ backport should be okay, however |
| 20:54.35 | syntaxx | gin: but my nvidia is 64.. is it ok to download 32? |
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| 20:54.36 | gin | ahh so |
| 20:54.37 | gin | download 64 |
| 20:54.37 | gin | IA64 |
| 20:54.38 | whitehorse1 | asg/gravity: Ok, went to Norbert's page, clicked Sarge dist. /~nobse/xorg-x11/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386. Q) Do I save packages.gx to my desktop andopen it in kpackage maanger (or unpack it and then do so). Sorry, I really do try to help myself & readTFM but Debian's been hard-going :) |
| 20:54.42 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
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| 20:55.02 | antgel | !tell whitehorse1 about apt howto |
| 20:55.06 | chealer | syntaxx, please don't come back here asking for help to fix your X if you install using nvidia.com's installer |
| 20:55.08 | antgel | whitehorse1: man sources.list |
| 20:55.29 | syntaxx | woot |
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| 20:55.42 | gravity | whitehorse1: http://www.inittab.de/blog/2005/07/14#20050713_xorg-backport-updated |
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| 20:56.37 | whitehorse1 | antgel: AH... re the _one_good_backport comment.. that debian.org page that suggested I add ...debian proposed-updates main contrib non-free to my apt sources list, that'll be fine though and won't count as a backport ep? |
| 20:56.52 | whitehorse1 | gravity: ty, clicking now |
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| 20:57.08 | syntaxx | chealer: ill use apt then :D |
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| 20:57.35 | antgel | whitehorse1: a backport is a package that's not in stable, rebuilt to work in stable |
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| 20:57.57 | chealer | syntaxx, great. some people here can usually help if you get trouble at one step |
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| 20:59.13 | whitehorse1 | antgel: Oh right understand now. ||| gravity: that link you gave me, is an updated version of his port (from the June one). Are they both classed as unstable tho? Where I was going with that was thinkingg if both backports are anyhow , then I may as well go with the most recent backport |
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| 20:59.44 | gravity | whitehorse1: They're both backports from unstable to the stable system. They're not really classified as anything. I don't know what that means. |
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| 20:59.54 | antgel | whitehorse1: backports are not classed as unstable, stable, anything. they are not part of debian. they are designed to work _with_ debian stable |
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| 21:00.53 | yang | how do i choose different entries for sources.list? |
| 21:01.12 | whitehorse1 | ah ok understand how my question was invalid now. I'll go for installing the latest backport version. am assuming I don't need to exit kde etc etc. |
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| 21:01.44 | orchid | yang: put a new source in, comment out the old one with # and update |
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| 21:01.51 | whitehorse1 | yang, paste or type them into the sources.list file? use a hash before each line to comment any out |
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| 21:01.54 | whitehorse1 | oops. |
| 21:02.09 | yang | orchid: yes, but i need a new source, how do i look for it |
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| 21:02.14 | whitehorse1 | Probably too early for me to start giving advice, even if I think I may now. |
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| 21:02.23 | gravity | whitehorse1: You will have to restart X to use xorg |
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| 21:02.36 | antgel | yang: how do you know you need it if you don't know what it is? |
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| 21:02.44 | whitehorse1 | gravity: presumably I can (after adding deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main |
| 21:02.44 | whitehorse1 | deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main |
| 21:02.50 | whitehorse1 | sh** sorry |
| 21:02.51 | whitehorse1 | accident |
| 21:02.53 | yang | ftp://ftp.si.debian.org is broken |
| 21:02.59 | gravity | Can what? |
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| 21:03.03 | asg | yang: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 21:03.15 | brainworm | can a debian system always be apt-get upgraded with no problems occuring while multiple users are logged in and doing heavy developement work ? |
| 21:03.15 | orchid | yang: apt-cache search sources.list, thers some tools to find other mirrors |
| 21:03.28 | whitehorse1 | gravity: presumably I can update sources.list with deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main |
| 21:03.28 | whitehorse1 | the latest |
| 21:03.43 | orchid | yang: back up your current sources.list first |
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| 21:03.50 | gravity | whitehorse1: Uh... I really don't understand the question |
| 21:03.53 | whitehorse1 | ok, got it now, shift-insert in this IRC client presses enter automatically |
| 21:03.57 | whitehorse1 | sorry again |
| 21:04.04 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahaha you there? |
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| 21:04.23 | antgel | brainworm: what version of debian? |
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| 21:04.57 | brainworm | antgel: sarge |
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| 21:05.01 | whitehorse1 | q) After inserting that ^^ (!) line into sources.list and typing apt-get update in a root terminal window, then I can say go to synaptic package manager and reload then searfch for x.org and install then once installled just reboot? |
| 21:05.15 | asg | brainworm: provided you don't get a new kernel (and have to reboot to install it) yes. |
| 21:05.19 | whitehorse1 | er and apt-get upgrade. |
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| 21:05.30 | antgel | brainworm: sarge is stable now, so up_grade_s should not cause too much disruption. |
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| 21:05.40 | gravity | whitehorse1: Yes |
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| 21:05.56 | asg | brainworm: if the developers are statically linking libraries, though, and a library updates, they will need to recompile to get the fix. |
| 21:06.03 | whitehorse1 | gravity: Thank you, for both your help and your patience. |
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| 21:06.07 | brainworm | asg: will there be more than one version of glibc loaded into memory and being shared if glibc is upgraded ? |
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| 21:06.30 | bomb | whitehorse1: it is usually a good idea to backup /etc/X11 before you install xserver-xorg |
| 21:06.31 | gravity | whitehorse1: No problem. Sorry I had trouble understanding. It seems like you understand it. You actually won't have to search for xorg in synaptic, it should just automatically upgrade you from xfree86 |
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| 21:06.44 | asg | brainworm: if it is updated, then new programs that start will use the new lib; older ones still in memory will use the old code. |
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| 21:06.58 | antgel | gravity: you sure? don't the packages have different names? |
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| 21:07.18 | whitehorse1 | bomb: Ah yep, did that yesterday night (well, 4am this morn), when I was still thinking installing to latest XFree86 was best |
| 21:07.20 | asg | brainworm: it might be prudent just to wall(1) them and have them save work and have a 5 minute coffee break. |
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| 21:07.29 | robertbb | Will an upgrade from Woody to Sarge give me a system just as clean as a vanilla Sarge install? Or will there be stuff left over (files, or things within files) that are unecessary? |
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| 21:07.40 | gravity | antgel: Well, if he installed x-window-system it should work, since that will pull in xserver-xorg upon upgrade |
| 21:07.52 | gravity | Presuming he did it with d-i and tasksel or whatever |
| 21:07.57 | antgel | gravity: *nod* |
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| 21:07.59 | m2 | robertbb: package-wise, it will be clean. |
| 21:08.08 | brainworm | asg: and all the server programs need to be restarted also i think |
| 21:08.16 | m2 | robertbb: the config files might have some cruft depending on how you perform the upgrade. |
| 21:08.19 | ShortWaveX | Hi all |
| 21:08.23 | m2 | robertbb: that's a feature, not a bug. |
| 21:08.26 | antgel | brainworm: the upgrade will restart daemons |
| 21:08.29 | asg | brainworm: they will, at least to take advantage of the updated library. |
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| 21:08.35 | ShortWaveX | I'm attempting a dist-upgrade, and apt says that it can't "early remove e2fsprogs" |
| 21:08.35 | asg | brainworm: this should happen automatically |
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| 21:08.39 | robertbb | m2: *nod*.. what kind of cruft? |
| 21:08.39 | brainworm | asg: ahh, wonderful |
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| 21:09.02 | m2 | robertbb: mostly backups in /etc |
| 21:09.03 | antgel | robertbb: nothing to worry about imo. make sure you read the update doc in the install guide / release notes |
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| 21:09.17 | whitehorse1 | gravity: Is there an extra specific package I need then, in order to be able to install X.org? Another one to add to the 1535 installed? =) I assume that's a regular-ish amount |
| 21:09.21 | m2 | robertbb: and a few "you need to fix this by hand" here and there. |
| 21:09.23 | ShortWaveX | Then it says I can work around it by enabling the apt::forceloopbreak option |
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| 21:09.27 | ShortWaveX | but when I do that...it still fails |
| 21:09.27 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: read this... hahah ... http://ovaici.homelinux.com |
| 21:09.31 | TwistedEmotions | bahh |
| 21:09.32 | ShortWaveX | Anyone know how to work around this? |
| 21:09.34 | antgel | whitehorse1: there is _no_ regular amount :) |
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| 21:09.38 | m2 | robertbb: the packages that need hand tweaking will tell you. |
| 21:09.43 | antgel | ShortWaveX: yes, use stable |
| 21:09.45 | gravity | whitehorse1: Not really. xserver-xorg needs to be installed. |
| 21:10.01 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: http://ovaici.homelinux.com/stupidaimconvo.txt |
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| 21:10.09 | m2 | robertbb: and a few packages will leave files behind without a word, those are bugs. |
| 21:10.24 | bomb | whitehorse1: you need a newer version of xserver-common to go with xserver-xorg |
| 21:10.54 | robertbb | m2: *nod*... so what is best practice? An upgrade, or a fresh install? (provided I've backed up necessary configs etc.) |
| 21:10.56 | asg | m2: some will refuse to delete files/directories because the user modified them and the package will leave cleanup to the user assuming they know what they are doing. The user will be told of this, however. |
| 21:11.00 | whitehorse1 | bomb: that won't be automatically pulled in when I apt-get update/upgrade after adding the sources.list line in from norbert? |
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| 21:11.05 | antgel | robertbb: an upgrade is _fine_ |
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| 21:11.26 | antgel | whitehorse1: it should be |
| 21:11.30 | whitehorse1 | ty |
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| 21:11.33 | ShortWaveX | Where can I get an updated sources list? |
| 21:11.38 | bomb | whitehorse1: it may or may not i have never installed xorg that way |
| 21:11.40 | robertbb | antgel: *nod*.. will do. |
| 21:11.53 | robertbb | Thanks m2, antgel for your help :-) |
| 21:11.54 | m2 | robertbb: I sually upgrade |
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| 21:12.04 | antgel | robertbb: welcome to 2005 :P |
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| 21:12.11 | robertbb | lol |
| 21:12.15 | Rucas | hmm the latest xorg update in unstable has totally ruined my system heh |
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| 21:12.25 | antgel | Rucas: at least you can laugh about it |
| 21:12.28 | gravity | Rucas: Huh? |
| 21:12.28 | whitehorse1 | Rucas: Die. ;) jk |
| 21:12.33 | gravity | Rucas: How? |
| 21:12.37 | asg | antgel: and he can get 1st line support too |
| 21:12.46 | Rucas | ? |
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| 21:13.11 | Rucas | the only game i can play now is angband because x11 keeps dying |
| 21:13.12 | Rucas | lol |
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| 21:13.26 | whitehorse1 | Rucas: Sorry, it was a joke - I thought you'd seen me getting advice on installing x.org and were teasing me by saying it'd doom my computer to its grave ;) |
| 21:13.27 | gravity | Rucas: Are you using the nvidia driver? |
| 21:13.28 | Rucas | it shows the nvidia logo and then gets sig11'd |
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| 21:13.32 | gravity | Ah, no wonder |
| 21:13.38 | gravity | nvidia drivers == not my problem |
| 21:13.39 | asg | ah, nvidia fun |
| 21:13.40 | antgel | !pal Rucas |
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| 21:13.56 | Rucas | it was working until the latest xorg update heh |
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| 21:14.11 | antgel | Rucas: use nv |
| 21:14.13 | asg | Rucas: you will likely have to recompile, reinstall whatever it is you did to get them working in the first place. |
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| 21:14.48 | antgel | whitehorse1: now you see what happens to unsuspecting unstable users. NB. |
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| 21:15.27 | Rucas | antgel: does nv use hardware acceleration? |
| 21:15.34 | antgel | Rucas: man nv |
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| 21:16.03 | Rucas | linux is about sharing, so share the info dont tell me to read a manpage |
| 21:16.07 | Rucas | heh |
| 21:16.14 | asg | Rucas: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 21:16.19 | m2 | Rucas: little. |
| 21:16.20 | whitehorse1 | angel: true. since my system isn't already running a-ok though I'll risk it :) it is broken & hopefully this'll fix it. |
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| 21:16.44 | asg | gravity: one again, thanks to you and the team for all the great work |
| 21:16.46 | antgel | whitehorse1: it's probably safer to run stable with one backport than unstable, especially for the clueless |
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| 21:16.52 | gravity | asg: My pleasure. Thank you! :-) |
| 21:16.53 | whitehorse1 | < goes to menu so he can type stuff in terminal windows |
| 21:16.55 | asg | gravity: :) |
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| 21:17.12 | yang | how do i properly set locales? dpkg-reconfigure locales wont work....each time i install new package i get perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 21:17.24 | markos_ | Rucas_: only 2d accel, no 3d accel |
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| 21:17.36 | Rucas | well i need 3d accel heh |
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| 21:17.51 | antgel | yang: what version of debian? |
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| 21:18.02 | Devil_Kin | hello all |
| 21:18.05 | yang | antgel: sarge |
| 21:18.08 | antgel | Rucas: then rebuild the fuckers |
| 21:18.15 | Rucas | that's what i'm doing |
| 21:18.23 | ShortWave | Hrm |
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| 21:18.27 | whitehorse1 | antgel: ah, the clueless ;p |
| 21:18.29 | Devil_Kin | is there a way to get the urls of all the packages that are currently installed on a system, so i can download them to reinstall a system witout a net connection? |
| 21:18.29 | ShortWave | 611MB of software required |
| 21:18.30 | ShortWave | wheee |
| 21:18.35 | ShortWave | thank god for cable internet |
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| 21:18.42 | antgel | yang: did you google on the pertinent parts of the error? |
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| 21:19.04 | yang | antgel: pertinent parts? what you mean |
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| 21:19.18 | antgel | whitehorse1: not you. stick around and watch them come and go. you might be new, but you clearly have an idea about how to read manuals |
| 21:19.21 | antgel | !beer whitehorse1 |
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| 21:19.28 | antgel | *plonk* |
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| 21:20.32 | Rucas | heh i'm rockin' the glxgears again |
| 21:20.47 | antgel | Rucas: get out of here you crazy guy ;) |
| 21:20.51 | markos_ | Devil_Kin: it's possible yes, but it requires some scripting and heavy use of grep |
| 21:20.57 | whitehorse1 | antgel | dpkg: thank you kindly. |
| 21:21.16 | Rucas | i really can't believe i'm using KDE :\ |
| 21:21.25 | Devil_Kin | markos_: i got that, with dpkg and all, but the problem is that if you pipe that through apt-get --print-uris, it nags if there are missing dependencies and so, and i don't care about that atm |
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| 21:21.59 | Rucas | i would be using DR17 if it were a bit more complete heh |
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| 21:22.31 | markos_ | Devil_Kin: you should do a dpkg -l, get the pkg names from there and then do a --print-uris on that list, then you would get a whole list with no missing dependencies -on a properly installed system that is |
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| 21:23.02 | markos_ | Devil_Kin: actually not dpkg -l as it trims the pkg names |
| 21:23.13 | Devil_Kin | markos_: if you use COLUMNS=200 first it works ;p |
| 21:23.16 | rob5 | is there a way to edit the 'template' the mrtg pages use (not the index file, the subpages like 127.0.0.1_1.html) |
| 21:23.16 | x64 | Where do i look to see the last entries of the syslog? :s |
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| 21:23.39 | amphi | x64: tail /var/log/syslog |
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| 21:23.49 | x64 | thanks :D |
| 21:23.55 | steve_ | how do i install the debian menu? |
| 21:23.57 | steve_ | in gnome/ |
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| 21:24.17 | markos_ | Devil_Kin: right then :-) |
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| 21:25.01 | steve_ | how do i install the debian menu? |
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| 21:26.51 | antgel | steve_: aptitude install menu |
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| 21:33.38 | vladster | is it dd that is used to make boot floppies |
| 21:33.59 | FieldySnuts | for lots of things |
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| 21:35.39 | LightVision | whats the best antivirus program for sarge? |
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| 21:36.29 | Ronin | LightVision: none needed unless its a mail/file server for windows machines |
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| 21:36.44 | vladster | don't open anything as root |
| 21:36.53 | vladster | ;) |
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| 21:37.35 | brainworm | i can't compile 2.4.28 on my sparc because of this error --> bbc_i2c.c:(.text.init+0x2ea4): undefined reference to `ebus_chain' |
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| 21:38.20 | antgel | brainworm: have you checked the bts? |
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| 21:38.39 | LightVision | Ronin: ok so whats a good one? |
| 21:38.47 | LightVision | Ronin: fprot or clamscan? |
| 21:38.52 | whitehorse1 | LightVision: I'm quite new to Linux, but I will say F-Prot have an excellent reputation; listed in synaptic somewhere. I've no experience of ClamAV etc tho |
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| 21:39.05 | LightVision | whitehorse1: thanks whitey |
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| 21:39.10 | brainworm | antgel: it's probably my choice of kernel config options |
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| 21:39.27 | takatumi | brainworm: try it without the i2c stuff. |
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| 21:39.39 | LightVision | and whats a better terminal than gnome that is used by default in KDE? |
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| 21:40.10 | takatumi | gnome terminal in KDE? try uxterm or urxvt. |
| 21:40.11 | vladster | From what I understand the antivirus software is for cleaning stuff off so it does not contaminate a windows network |
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| 21:40.23 | takatumi | LightVision: install |
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| 21:40.35 | takatumi | 'em all, keep 'em all. |
| 21:40.38 | asuffield | vladster: and for getting all those blasted worms out of your inbox, right |
| 21:40.45 | LightVision | takatumi: what terminal is your choise and what you use? |
| 21:40.51 | brainworm | takatumi: i think --> <*> UltraSPARC-III bootbus i2c controller driver is the culprit |
| 21:40.55 | asuffield | they may be harmless on a unix platform, but they are bloody annoying |
| 21:40.57 | takatumi | LightVision: uxterm |
| 21:41.01 | LightVision | takatumi: ok |
| 21:41.06 | madradrone | anyone know of a wireless signal strength level indicator other than wavemon? |
| 21:41.28 | vladster | I don't run windows so that is not an issues |
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| 21:41.32 | ShortWave | I believe there are a couple WindowMaker dockapps that do that, and a KDE applet as well |
| 21:41.36 | amphi | madradrone: there's a gkrellm plugin IIRC |
| 21:41.45 | LightVision | takatumi: apt-get install uxterm = couldnt find package |
| 21:41.48 | madradrone | no console-based apps? |
| 21:41.48 | ShortWave | madradrone: errr, that was meant for you |
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| 21:41.50 | vladster | She does not run msm |
| 21:41.52 | amphi | madradrone: what's wrong with wavemon? |
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| 21:42.01 | madradrone | ShortWave: thanks |
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| 21:42.18 | madradrone | amphi: right now its not showing signal strengths. its been on the blink for a week or so. |
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| 21:42.29 | LightVision | takatumi: apt-get said uxterm is not available for install |
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| 21:42.51 | madradrone | LightVision: search for xterm | grep -i unicode |
| 21:42.52 | x64 | can someone please give me a hand with this |
| 21:42.53 | takatumi | LightVision: xterm provides uxterm as well. |
| 21:42.53 | x64 | sp2066b mysqld[1015]: 050903 14:17:41 Warning: Can't create test file /usr/local/mysql/sp2066b.lower-test |
| 21:42.53 | x64 | mysqld[1015]: 050903 14:17:41 Can't find messagefile '/usr/share/mysql/english/errmsg.sys' |
| 21:42.53 | x64 | mysqld[1015]: 050903 14:17:41 Aborting |
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| 21:43.23 | antgel | x64: if you tell us what distro you are running |
| 21:43.28 | x64 | debian |
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| 21:43.40 | madradrone | LightVision: but i prefer rxvt-unicode much over xterm |
| 21:43.41 | LightVision | madradrone: tnaks! xterm works |
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| 21:44.04 | LightVision | madradrone: how can I install rxvt-unicode on Sarge? |
| 21:44.08 | madradrone | LightVision: it has a much nicer scrollbar |
| 21:44.17 | madradrone | LightVision: with apt-get ? |
| 21:44.17 | x64 | antgel- I'm on debian |
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| 21:44.32 | LightVision | madradrone: ok, brb |
| 21:44.33 | d2d | hi guys... |
| 21:44.36 | x64 | hey |
| 21:44.47 | Blissex | LightVision: it may be called 'urxvt' |
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| 21:44.52 | whitehorse1 | Okey-doke. I'm loathe to be someone who wants their hand held every step. Just want to double-check before I take the plunge. |
| 21:44.55 | whitehorse1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:44.55 | whitehorse1 | The other package found was libglu-1-xorg (Mesa OpenGL lib). Should I install that too, or just install xserver-xorg? (and then reboot) |
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| 21:45.12 | takatumi | !overfiendsphallus |
| 21:45.12 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 21:45.13 | madradrone | LightVision: one problem is that if you ssh to another system that doesn't recognize its $TERM type, you have to copy it from /etc/terminfo/r/ to the other machine |
| 21:45.13 | vladster | besides if I am stupid enough to let e backdoor get installed on my system, then I deserve what I get |
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| 21:45.25 | d2d | where should i place any of my startup scripts like rc.local or something? |
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| 21:46.09 | antgel | x64: debian stable? |
| 21:46.13 | x64 | yeah |
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| 21:46.39 | ShortWave | ok, on my dist-upgrade to the latest stable, I'm getting an error when attempting to replace libpam |
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| 21:46.48 | antgel | x64: checked the bts? when do you get the error? when you're starting mysql? |
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| 21:47.06 | ShortWave | oh wait...it's got to do with libxft-dev |
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| 21:47.12 | LightVision | madradrone: im just after a terminal that is best looking when using ls -l for example, highliging folders and files, different colours |
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| 21:47.18 | x64 | when i run "/etc/init.d/mysql start" |
| 21:47.36 | grelli | how's everyone doing this afternoon? |
| 21:47.37 | antgel | whitehorse1: just install the xserver-xorg. should pull in anything it needs. |
| 21:47.44 | antgel | x64: checked the bts? |
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| 21:47.56 | whitehorse1 | antgel: ty |
| 21:47.57 | x64 | antgel- bts? |
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| 21:48.05 | antgel | x64: did you build mysql? |
| 21:48.14 | madradrone | LightVision: edit your ~/.bashrc and uncomment the dircolors stuff |
| 21:48.16 | antgel | !btssmite x64 |
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| 21:48.21 | LightVision | madradrone: how can I get a terminal to show different colours for folders and files etc? |
| 21:48.25 | x64 | i used "apt-get install mysql-server" |
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| 21:48.31 | LightVision | madradrone: ok |
| 21:48.42 | whitehorse1 | Oh dear. Unresolved dependencies. |
| 21:48.45 | antgel | x64: hmm. i don't know why it's looking for file in /usr/local/mysql/sp2066b.lower-test |
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| 21:48.50 | LightVision | madradrone: is ~/.bashrc located under /etc ? |
| 21:48.58 | antgel | whitehorse1: specifically? |
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| 21:49.29 | madradrone | LightVision: umm... |
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| 21:49.38 | pusling | hmm.. what is the quick'n'dirty way to set up a chroot for building packages ? |
| 21:49.46 | madradrone | LightVision: ~ means "my home directory" |
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| 21:49.59 | LightVision | madradrone: ok |
| 21:50.03 | whitehorse1 | antgel: Sorry, was just opening gedit to paste in the dependencies error to make it on one line. xserver-xorg: Depends: xserver-common (>=6.8.2.dfsg.1-4sarge1) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 is to be installed. Recommends: laptop-detect but it is not installable. I'm on a desktop so the laptop part at least isn't a prob; I guess.xserver-xorg |
| 21:50.03 | antgel | x64: actually, that's just a warning. ls -l usr/share/mysql/english/errmsg.sys |
| 21:50.05 | markos_ | x64: do you have installed an application that uses the mysql? one that might try to use a db? |
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| 21:50.13 | madradrone | LightVision: type 'echo ~' and see |
| 21:50.22 | whitehorse1 | *(ignore xserver.org at end of that) |
| 21:50.32 | antgel | whitehorse1: apt-cache policy xserver-common? |
| 21:50.35 | LightVision | madradrone: I dont have a ~/.bashrc in my /home folder |
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| 21:50.50 | whitehorse1 | antgel: ok I'll enter that in a root terminal now :) |
| 21:51.09 | madradrone | LightVision: ~ is the home folder .bashrc should be in it. 'ls -la ~/.bashrc' to find out |
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| 21:51.21 | antgel | whitehorse1: whenever you see a command you don't get, type man <command>. best way to become like us |
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| 21:51.24 | antgel | :P |
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| 21:51.58 | antgel | pusling: have you read the debian reference? |
| 21:51.59 | whitehorse1 | man: I've been trying that yep. I learnt I press 'q' to exit it and now it's more useable :-> |
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| 21:52.10 | antgel | whitehorse1: man man |
| 21:52.14 | LightVision | madradrone: yeah thanks! it was as I thought under /root :) |
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| 21:52.16 | pusling | antgel: maybe ... Ii have read new mantainers guide |
| 21:52.29 | antgel | pusling: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 21:52.30 | LightVision | madradrone: this is only my 3rd day , so im still learning Debian and linux :) |
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| 21:52.50 | madradrone | LightVision: what does the 'whoami' command say? |
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| 21:53.22 | LightVision | madradrone: it says root |
| 21:53.23 | whitehorse1 | apt-cache policy xserver-common output: xserver-common: Installed: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14. Candidate: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14. Version Table: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4sarge1 0 |
| 21:53.23 | whitehorse1 | 500 http://people.debian.org sarge/main Packages. *** 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 0 |
| 21:53.24 | whitehorse1 | 1001 http://mirror.ox.ac.uk stable/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 21:53.33 | LightVision | madradrone: why? |
| 21:53.38 | madradrone | LightVision: log off immediately. log back in as a normal user! |
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| 21:54.04 | LightVision | madradrone: I am loged in as normal user, but I loged in terminal as "su" |
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| 21:54.10 | LightVision | madradrone: is that bad? |
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| 21:54.24 | madradrone | LightVision: VERY! |
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| 21:54.36 | madradrone | LightVision: oh okay |
| 21:54.51 | madradrone | LightVision: just don't IRC as root |
| 21:54.52 | pusling | antgel: thanx - thought it would be debootstrap |
| 21:54.55 | LightVision | madradrone: I opened a terminal window and typed "su" and passwd! |
| 21:54.59 | madradrone | only use it for special things |
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| 21:55.18 | LightVision | madradrone: if I log in at login screen as normal user, I wouldnt be IRC as root would i? |
| 21:55.22 | ShortWave | Got a weird error |
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| 21:55.36 | antgel | whitehorse1: doesn't look great for this backport. their xserver-xorg wants xserver-common 6.8.2, but it's 4.3.0. at this point i can't help anymore except to say you could try the _other_ xorg repository you found, apt-get update, and try again. or email the maintainer of the backport. |
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| 21:55.49 | antgel | !qotd144 |
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| 21:56.00 | LightVision | madradrone: after I loged in, I opened terminal as "su". I thought I always had to do that to apt-get update and do things! Is that right? |
| 21:56.08 | antgel | dpkg, qotd144 is < LightVision> madradrone: if I log in at login screen as normal user, I wouldnt be IRC as root would i? |
| 21:56.09 | dpkg | antgel: okay |
| 21:56.10 | ShortWave | dpkg says that "rename involves overwriting <somefile> with different file <nother file>. not allowed |
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| 21:56.46 | antgel | ShortWave: time for you to admit to us that you are using backports |
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| 21:56.53 | ShortWave | backports? |
| 21:57.02 | ShortWave | WTF is a backport and why does that matter? |
| 21:57.15 | antgel | !tell ShortWave about backports |
| 21:57.33 | antgel | ShortWave: cat /etc/apt/sources.list. stable should be working fine. |
| 21:57.35 | whitehorse1 | antgel: Oh :-( Can't I un-install xserver-common 4.3.0 (via synaptic maybe? in preparation; then and then just try again with the backport install? |
| 21:57.40 | takatumi | why does he need the backports? |
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| 21:57.56 | ShortWave | Hrm |
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| 21:58.02 | antgel | takatumi: he doesn't, but his error (dpkg rename) could well be to use of backports |
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| 21:58.26 | ShortWave | Pretty sure I wasn't using anything weird like that. |
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| 21:58.34 | ShortWave | I tried to remove the offending package, and it won't let me. |
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| 21:58.47 | LightVision | madradrone: I log in as username, but once I loged in, I open a terminal and use "su". Is this safe? |
| 21:58.47 | takatumi | if you don't know, don't guess. |
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| 21:59.10 | antgel | whitehorse1: the point is that according to the apt-cache policy command you issued, the people.debian.org version of xserver-common _is_ 4.3.0 |
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| 21:59.14 | whitehorse1 | takatumi: I need a backport. 8) of x.org since my radeon 9600 pro is unsupported by sarge's xfree86 version. tho said backport of x.org from norbert is refusing to install |
| 21:59.15 | ShortWave | The problem is apparently with libxft-dev |
| 21:59.16 | takatumi | LightVision: some of the conservatives like sudo. |
| 21:59.22 | antgel | ShortWave: you'll have to paste the whole log somewhere |
| 21:59.28 | antgel | !tell LightVision about unix lessons |
| 21:59.43 | whitehorse1 | antgel: ohh... he put the wrong files in the package then I imagine |
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| 21:59.50 | takatumi | whitehorse1: that was meant for ShortWave, xorg backport, get on with it. ;) |
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| 22:00.05 | antgel | whitehorse1: perhaps, but one would think he'd know about it. what was the backport url again? |
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| 22:00.12 | LightVision | takatumi: whats sudo? |
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| 22:00.33 | antgel | LightVision: whenever you hear a command you don't understand, man <command> and ye shall. |
| 22:00.33 | takatumi | !sudo |
| 22:00.33 | dpkg | sudo is probably (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 22:00.49 | whitehorse1 | takatumi: :D || antgel: URL given to me by I forget whom it was in here - gravity I think: http://www.inittab.de/blog/2005/07/14#20050713_xorg-backport-updated |
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| 22:01.19 | whitehorse1 | It has a date of july 14 on it so itd be odd if nobody noticed by now if it was broken |
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| 22:01.27 | madradrone | LightVision: you're okay |
| 22:01.27 | madradrone | LightVision: correct |
| 22:01.32 | LightVision | takatumi: whats the difference between "su" and "su -" ? |
| 22:01.37 | antgel | whitehorse1: indeed. i'm just looking now |
| 22:01.40 | LightVision | madradrone: ok ty |
| 22:01.42 | madradrone | LightVision: yes |
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| 22:01.46 | antgel | !tell LightVision about man |
| 22:01.48 | madradrone | LightVision: but you need to edit the .bashrc in the home dir of whichever user you are in the shell in |
| 22:01.48 | ShortWave | http://channels.debian.net/paste/639 |
| 22:01.50 | madradrone | LightVision: so best to edit both root and ~ |
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| 22:01.54 | madradrone | LightVision: i mean root's ~ and your user ~ .bashrc |
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| 22:02.33 | LightVision | madradrone: ok |
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| 22:03.05 | ShortWave | antgel: there you are. Duly pasted. |
| 22:03.16 | ShortWave | antgel: http://channels.debian.net/paste/639 |
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| 22:03.31 | takatumi | LightVision: su - will land you in ~ |
| 22:03.55 | Armand | hey |
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| 22:04.07 | takatumi | ahoy |
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| 22:04.37 | antgel | whitehorse1: hmm. xserver-xcommon 6.8.2 is there. 1 sec |
| 22:04.43 | LightVision | takatumi: ok |
| 22:04.53 | antgel | ShortWave: and cat /etc/apt/sources.list please |
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| 22:05.09 | whitehorse1 | antgel: ok |
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| 22:05.19 | LightVision | takatumi: what antivirus program do you personally use for Debian Sarge? |
| 22:05.26 | Armand | hi |
| 22:05.31 | Armand | everyb?ody |
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| 22:05.36 | LightVision | Armand: hello Armani |
| 22:05.43 | Armand | waanna chat? |
| 22:05.47 | LightVision | no |
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| 22:05.48 | takatumi | LightVision: I don't use any and I run sid. |
| 22:05.56 | k-man | is there a way to force a particluar usb device to appear on a particular /dev/input/eventX device node? |
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| 22:05.59 | LightVision | !sid |
| 22:06.00 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 22:06.38 | antgel | whitehorse1: strange. the apt-cache policy says Candidate 4.3 whatever. should be the later version. Did you add the backport line to sources.list as the first line? |
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| 22:07.46 | takatumi | antgel: what's the reaction on the bug you posted? |
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| 22:08.11 | antgel | takatumi: were you around friday night (i think) when the dd's were here? |
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| 22:08.17 | kund4lini | hi |
| 22:08.22 | takatumi | antgel: nope, why? |
| 22:08.46 | whitehorse1 | antgel: no, it was the last, after point updates; which er was formerly the last I moved it up to about third though and ran apt-get/upd/upg again tho. So basically I should go and place that people.debian.org line as the first line in sources.list I'm assuming? :D |
| 22:08.47 | whitehorse1 | s at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or apt-get install apt-howto-en |
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| 22:08.50 | whitehorse1 | oops |
| 22:08.58 | LightVision | !f-prot |
| 22:08.59 | takatumi | kund4lini: have you actually uncoiled the kundalini serpent? |
| 22:09.06 | LightVision | !fprot |
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| 22:09.23 | antgel | takatumi: there was a lot of interesting discussion about how #debian is unfriendly and cuntish |
| 22:09.27 | takatumi | LightVision: be anxious for nothing. |
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| 22:09.45 | ShortWave | antgel: Sorry for the delay |
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| 22:09.52 | whitehorse1 | synaptics menu option of prefer latest version is set, if it makes any difference (soz, I'd pasted that into Firefox's address bar a moment ago; I do try to read the manuals :>). |
| 22:09.55 | ShortWave | antgel: http://channels.debian.net/paste/640 |
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| 22:10.03 | antgel | takatumi: i pointed them to the bug. they kind of agree that the docs aren't brilliantly available, but i suppose resources are scarce. |
| 22:10.19 | antgel | takatumi: i told gravity i'd try to come up with a patch for the web. |
| 22:10.22 | vladster | grumble grumble grumble |
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| 22:10.34 | takatumi | antgel: yeah, might work. |
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| 22:10.50 | antgel | takatumi: general reaction is good bug but no-one has offered to fix it. no reaction from debian www team as yet. |
| 22:10.56 | nvz | if its not one thing its another. I replace the dead Quantum 20GB root drive with an 80GB Maxtor and reinstall and setup the bridge again. and one of my damn interfaces isnt working now :( |
| 22:10.58 | kund4lini | excuse me, i don't know use framebuffer, i have intelfb, and i probe in the boot in append="video=intelfb:800x600-32@75,accel,hwcursor,vram=8", but it's no good, i need help |
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| 22:11.03 | grelli | and now, to run the command that made me fall in love with debian in the first place |
| 22:11.20 | k-man | how can i work out which /dev/input/eventX device my usb remote control is on so i can write script to set up lirc correctly at boot time? |
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| 22:11.28 | antgel | i'm sure that whitehorse1, who has been using linux five minutes would agree that #debian is totally helpful to people with over 75% brain capacity |
| 22:11.31 | takatumi | kund4lini: vesa didn't work? |
| 22:11.34 | grelli | apt-get install gnucash |
| 22:11.36 | antgel | grelli: grep? |
| 22:11.57 | antgel | whitehorse1: yeah, it needs to be at the top. order of preference, you see. man sources.list. |
| 22:12.00 | grelli | two weeks before I ran that, I'd installed gnucash on a RH 7.3 system |
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| 22:12.09 | grelli | satisfying dependancies manually |
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| 22:12.15 | LightVision | i have just downloaded from f-prot.com a file called "fp-linux-ws.deb" How do I now install this on my Debian Sarge? |
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| 22:12.24 | takatumi | grelli: I am waiting for that too, my bank is yet to produce a meaningful statement file worth importing. |
| 22:12.32 | vladster | and the man pages are getting better as well |
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| 22:12.40 | antgel | LightVision: you don't. why would you do that? |
| 22:12.41 | grelli | takatumi: mine gives me the choice of format to export as |
| 22:12.52 | grelli | takatumi: I select the quicken format, it she imports beautifully |
| 22:13.10 | antgel | LightVision: as a new user, may i be the first to tell you that you should only install packages from debian repos unless there is no alternative |
| 22:13.11 | kund4lini | yes, takatumi, but my resolution is 640x480, and i like another... i want use console... |
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| 22:13.43 | takatumi | kund4lini: with vesa try passing vga=xxx, 792 works great here. |
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| 22:13.55 | LightVision | antgel: for my kmail because I send a lot of email to MS windows users and dont want to send any virus I could have gotten from other MS window users! I KNOW im not affected, but I can send along virus to MS users! thats why |
| 22:13.59 | nvz | I get no link status at all on Eth0: 3c59x: 3Com Corporation 3c900 10Mbps Combo [Boomerang]. though the other two interfaces on the bridge Eth1: 3c59x: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78) and Eth2: 8139too: D-Link System Inc RTL8139 Ethernet (rev 10) and packets are being forwarded :( |
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| 22:14.39 | Evil_Pink_Robot | hello, does anyone know when oo 2.0 will be in debian unstable? |
| 22:14.46 | kund4lini | takatumi i probe this too, but after , the resolution change always to 640x480..... i probe with vga=791... |
| 22:14.46 | antgel | LightVision: you will only send them a virus if you explicitly send it. any virus landing on your system won't do anything (generally) |
| 22:14.53 | Toots | hi all! |
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| 22:15.14 | Toots | I've got a linking question to ask.. |
| 22:15.14 | markos_ | LightVision: no relax, i receive hundreds of emails in Kmail and noone complained about receing virus emails from me |
| 22:15.31 | Toots | I compiled kshutdown with the last sid within pbuilder, |
| 22:15.34 | Toots | and I get this: |
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| 22:15.46 | madradrone | nvz: is that an ISA card? |
| 22:15.51 | Toots | 0:12 toots@duppy /tmp% ldd ./usr/bin/kshutdown | grep ++ |
| 22:15.51 | Toots | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.51 | Toots | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.51 | Toots | 0:12 toots@duppy /tmp% objdump -p ./usr/bin/kshutdown | grep NEEDED | grep ++ |
| 22:15.51 | Toots | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:15.58 | markos_ | LightVision: the thing is no linux email client is stupid enough to allow/enable scripting in emails so that the emails get forwarded without your permission |
| 22:16.01 | kund4lini | takatumi i compile kernel with intelfb inside ( * ). |
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| 22:16.12 | nvz | madradrone: no they are all PCI, eth1 the tornado is onboard, the other two are in PCI slots |
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| 22:16.32 | nvz | madradrone: it was working fine last night, but the root hd died. I just now replaced it and installed sarge again |
| 22:16.38 | takatumi | kund4lini: trial and error is the only solution. |
| 22:16.40 | ShortWave | antgel: any idea? |
| 22:16.46 | LightVision | antgel: so you saying if I was to get an email virus from some MS windows user, its impossible for me to send this to another ms windows user accidently? |
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| 22:16.59 | nvz | madradrone: all 3 cables get link status on eth1 or eth2, eth0 doesnt seem to be with the program anymore |
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| 22:17.12 | LightVision | markos_: ok, and you dont have any antivirus installed like clamav etc? |
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| 22:17.20 | markos_ | LightVision: not impossible, but not likely :-) |
| 22:17.36 | LightVision | I guess I still have a MS windows mind-set and thought I HAD to have a antivirus installed |
| 22:17.38 | markos_ | LightVision: i have spamassassin installed, but no no antivirus |
| 22:17.39 | kund4lini | takatumi excuse me, my english too, i probe a lot... with vga=xxx... with video=intelfb... |
| 22:17.41 | antgel | LightVision: in practice yes. viruses take advantage of vulnerabilities in windows email clients. welcome to the pleasuredome |
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| 22:17.51 | takatumi | LightVision: unless the .doc or .xls files come embedded with a virus, you would know what attachments you are despatching, wouldn'tcha? |
| 22:18.07 | whitehorse1 | antgel: ok, on it, ty very much. By the way, do you/any1 know if 'Teach Yourself Unix in 24 Hours' by 'dave taylor' is any good? I've downloaded many docs packages from the repositories & learnt how to type 'man', of course but a book for bedtime-reading/any train-journeys etc seems a good idea too. It seemed to be recommended by commenters on his blog but those may've been written by him of course. Have you/any1 here heard of it or can recomme |
| 22:18.07 | whitehorse1 | a better one perhaps? |
| 22:18.09 | markos_ | LightVision: haven't had one installed for years, and i've been using linux/debian for quite a long quile... |
| 22:18.10 | takatumi | kund4lini: google.com |
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| 22:18.26 | madradrone | nvz: hmm. maybe the contacts are oxidized? reinsert the card? |
| 22:18.30 | LightVision | if all that is true, WHY on earth then do we even have antivirus programs for linux? :P |
| 22:18.33 | nvz | LightVision: I use clamav because I have samba shares with other windows boxes and I like to do what I can to cut down on the viruses on the network. though for things like email. those messages are depending on certain vulernabilites in the client that do not exist |
| 22:18.35 | kund4lini | thanks takatumi, i don't think about this |
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| 22:18.43 | LightVision | markos_: ok thanks |
| 22:18.45 | antgel | whitehorse1: there is a great debian book out there by a DD, i'm sure someone will remind us of the name... |
| 22:18.52 | LightVision | nvz: ok i understand |
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| 22:19.02 | markos_ | LightVision: they're for linux, but not to protect linux, but to protect windows users :-) |
| 22:19.02 | nvz | madradrone: its possible.. I do have Calcium Hypochloride sitting over there |
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| 22:19.10 | LightVision | nvz: thanks for the explanation. |
| 22:19.13 | markos_ | antgel: The Debian System by Martin F. Kraft |
| 22:19.18 | LightVision | like I said, I guess I still have a MS windows mind-set and thought I HAD to have a antivirus installed :P |
| 22:19.27 | antgel | whitehorse1: note also that linux != unix and that each distro does some things differently. debian has a great infrastructure to help you manage the system. |
| 22:19.32 | markos_ | antgel: or is Krafft... |
| 22:19.48 | madradrone | nvz: hehe |
| 22:19.49 | takatumi | nvz: you've been living with that Calcium Hypochloride in you room for a few days, what |
| 22:19.51 | antgel | whitehorse1: what markos_ said. also note the following: |
| 22:19.54 | whitehorse1 | markos: I'll 'amazon' it. merci |
| 22:20.00 | antgel | !tell whitehorse1 about reference |
| 22:20.02 | whitehorse1 | ok ready to note... |
| 22:20.03 | takatumi | are you upto? :) |
| 22:20.04 | antgel | !tell whitehorse1 about apt howto |
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| 22:20.09 | antgel | !tell whitehorse1 about unix lessons |
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| 22:20.14 | LightVision | markos_: and thats all I wanted to do, was to protect other users I send emails to! I saw the option in Kmail and it reported I had no AV installed, so I thought I needed one |
| 22:20.25 | antgel | whitehorse1: afaik it's not on amazon yet, but have a look |
| 22:20.26 | DoppelGanger | !tell DoppelGanger about dance lessons |
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| 22:20.34 | LightVision | but I wont worry about any antivirus then :) |
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| 22:20.44 | Toots | hi! |
| 22:20.46 | nvz | takatumi: its not the only chemical laying around.. I cant just leave it out on the street for the neighborhood kids to play with |
| 22:20.51 | markos_ | LightVision: you can install it of course, if you want |
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| 22:21.06 | markos_ | antgel: it's available, i got it from bookzilla.de |
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| 22:21.16 | antgel | markos_: which isn't amazon |
| 22:21.19 | takatumi | nvz: the big boys wanna swim in it eh? |
| 22:21.24 | markos_ | ISBN: 3-937514-07-4 |
| 22:21.31 | LightVision | markos_: i saw it in Kmail, and it has a antivirus wizard, thats the only reason I thoight I needed one |
| 22:21.42 | antgel | ShortWave: all i can suggest is moving the security line to the top, apt-get update and try again |
| 22:21.45 | markos_ | antgel: no, i said it's available (from somewhere) |
| 22:21.47 | LightVision | but I wont worry about:) |
| 22:21.55 | antgel | markos_: apologies :) |
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| 22:22.21 | whitehorse1 | |
| 22:22.21 | whitehorse1 | The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques by Martin F. Krafft (Paperback) |
| 22:22.27 | markos_ | antgel: no need, i just got it myself, it looks a very good book |
| 22:22.29 | LightVision | this is my 3rd day using Debian and I learned a lot and one thing I learned which is great I need not worry about virus or spyware :) good ridance to MS windows :) |
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| 22:22.35 | markos_ | can't wait to read it |
| 22:22.36 | whitehorse1 | released sept 1st, you move fast markos =) |
| 22:22.39 | nvz | takatumi: I got various ammonium chlorides over there |
| 22:22.48 | antgel | typical german efficiency :P |
| 22:22.50 | markos_ | whitehorse1: i saw it in debconf, one of the first :-) |
| 22:22.53 | takatumi | why isn't anyone peddling the Debian Bible? |
| 22:22.57 | Toots | do anyone knows well the ldd things? |
| 22:23.00 | markos_ | antgel: actually i'm Greek :-) |
| 22:23.15 | antgel | markos_: it's all the same to us brits :) |
| 22:23.23 | whitehorse1 | g |
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| 22:23.35 | markos_ | antgel: greeks aren't known for their efficiency but thanks anyway :-) |
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| 22:23.39 | LightVision | whats a good book I can buy that is great for anyone new to Debian? |
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| 22:23.49 | LightVision | redguy: hello |
| 22:23.49 | antgel | LightVision: ^^^ |
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| 22:23.55 | markos_ | LightVision: does it have to be in print? |
| 22:24.00 | takatumi | LightVision: start off with the debian-reference. |
| 22:24.03 | whitehorse1 | LightVision the one by Mark Krafft was recommended to me; scroll up. =) |
| 22:24.07 | LightVision | markos_: print or ebook |
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| 22:24.20 | whitehorse1 | LV: And listen to takatumi too |
| 22:24.23 | nvz | oh well I guess I got to take my 3 ring circus down again fiddle with that damn network card |
| 22:24.26 | aeronadix | lionux cookbook |
| 22:24.26 | madradrone | nvz: you remind me a friend in college years ago. |
| 22:24.28 | takatumi | LightVision: aptitude install debian-reference |
| 22:24.32 | LightVision | takatumi: where can I buy the debian-reference? |
| 22:24.37 | markos_ | http://www.debian.org/doc/books carries the whole list |
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| 22:24.42 | LightVision | takatumi: ok thanks |
| 22:24.46 | markos_ | LightVision: it's a package, just install it |
| 22:24.51 | LightVision | markos_: great, ty |
| 22:24.55 | LightVision | brb |
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| 22:24.59 | ShortWave | antgel: well, I manually renamed the file it was complaining about and that seemed to fix it. |
| 22:25.08 | madradrone | nvz: he once cleaned an entire wall with carbon-tet. was a good demonstration of its exceptional solvent properties |
| 22:25.18 | antgel | ShortWave: bit naughty, that |
| 22:25.19 | madradrone | nvz: with a cotton-ball of it, that is |
| 22:25.30 | green_earz | takatumi: i just got the book and a couple of things have been usefull. with which apache two to install and proftpd and its setup for virtal use. and lots more in there |
| 22:25.36 | antgel | !tell LightVision about reference |
| 22:25.52 | ShortWave | antgel: eh, well, since apt wasn't "allowed" to do it, I figure I'd help it out. |
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| 22:26.04 | green_earz | takatumi: i mean apache2 |
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| 22:26.34 | takatumi | green_earz: to install apache2 and proftpd, I'm sure there are other resources available. |
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| 22:27.13 | green_earz | yes but there were a good couple of starter |
| 22:27.14 | nvz | I could clean this room with that diatomate and some nitroglyserin but it doesnt make it s good fucking idea :P |
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| 22:27.18 | markos_ | green_earz: you want to setup a virtual domain setup with apache2/proftpd and stuff? |
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| 22:27.28 | green_earz | no |
| 22:27.32 | markos_ | ok then |
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| 22:27.46 | LightVision | do I ever have to defrag my HD? Im using Sarge with ext3 |
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| 22:27.53 | takatumi | markos_: truly virtual setup. |
| 22:28.00 | LightVision | or is defrag a MS windows mind-set? :P |
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| 22:28.30 | markos_ | LightVision: not really, but personally i backup and restore my partitions once in a 2-3 years :-) |
| 22:28.32 | takatumi | LightVision: you know what your problem is? you're still thinking like a winbl0zer. :) |
| 22:28.51 | LightVision | markos_: hehe :) |
| 22:28.53 | nvz | a windows refugee |
| 22:28.55 | markos_ | takatumi: sorry don't follow, what's a 'truly virtual setup' ? |
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| 22:29.03 | cortex | I'm having trouble getting Meta keys to work in X terminals(gnome-terminal and xterm). It works in ordinary console and emacs. |
| 22:29.04 | LightVision | takatumi: yes I realise I need to rid myself of the MS windows mind-set :) |
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| 22:29.33 | LightVision | markos_: how do yopu find the best way to backup your partitions? you back them unto CD? |
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| 22:29.41 | takatumi | markos_: his virtual server with apache2 and proftpd, virtual == vaporware. ;p |
| 22:29.58 | whitehorse1 | Boll**... :( . |
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| 22:30.00 | markos_ | LightVision: i rsync them over network filesystem to my backup server |
| 22:30.02 | whitehorse1 | I definitely changed /etc/apt/sources.list again so 'deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main' was the first line. Then apt-get updated and apt-get upgraded. Returning to synaptic (and pressing reload button) then trying to mark xserver-xorg let alone apply gives me same error message as before! cry Message: xserver-xorg: Depends: xserver-common (>=6.8.2.dfsg.1-4sarge1) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 is to be installed Recommends: |
| 22:30.02 | whitehorse1 | laptop-detect but it is not installable (I'm on a desktop) |
| 22:30.14 | markos_ | takatumi: right :-) |
| 22:30.16 | LightVision | markos_: k |
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| 22:30.25 | whitehorse1 | obviously i didnt put the single quotation marks on the sources.list line too. |
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| 22:30.40 | toonX | for a dist-upgrade what should i use , apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 22:31.05 | antgel | toonX: aptitude |
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| 22:31.18 | whitehorse1 | LightVision: I installed a debian package earlier called: defrag, haven't used it yet though. Somewhat like the other 1m I've probably installed and're unused. |
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| 22:31.32 | LightVision | toonX: I type "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 22:31.32 | antgel | whitehorse1: what's the output of policy command? |
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| 22:31.50 | toonX | why aptitude over apt ? |
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| 22:31.54 | LightVision | antgel: is the result the exact same if we type "apt-get dist-upgrade" and aptitude dist-upgrade" ? |
| 22:31.58 | whitehorse1 | antgel: will run again right now, I still have the message from last time up in gedit but I'll check in case its different |
| 22:32.10 | LightVision | whitehorse1: ok |
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| 22:32.15 | green_earz | takatumi: its was the apt-get of apache2-mpm-prefork, that i did know about. i took it as just apt-get apache2 before |
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| 22:32.35 | takatumi | toonX: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=why+aptitude+over+apt&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
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| 22:33.21 | ries | Q: what windows manager in Debian testing has rhe smalest memory footprint? I am currently using wmaker I have only 64Mb ram... |
| 22:33.30 | whitehorse1 | Yep, same as before. apt-cache policy xserver-common output: xserver-common: |
| 22:33.30 | whitehorse1 | Installed: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 Candidate: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 Version Table: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4sarge1 0 |
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| 22:33.31 | whitehorse1 | 500 http://people.debian.org sarge/main Packages *** 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 0 |
| 22:33.31 | whitehorse1 | 1001 http://mirror.ox.ac.uk stable/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 22:33.38 | LightVision | Is "apt-get dist-upgrade" and aptitude dist-upgrade" give the exact same results? |
| 22:33.39 | takatumi | ries: try fvwm or ion. |
| 22:33.42 | toonX | i want to make a dist-upgrade from testing to unstable , and apt-get wants to remove 109 packages and aptitude want's to remove 289 packages , what gives !! |
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| 22:33.50 | Manoj_ | ries, maybe twm or ion? |
| 22:33.57 | LightVision | toonX: weird |
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| 22:34.05 | pusling | hmm.. thought apt-get install debian-keyring on a new sid-system would make apt not say all the time 'packages not signed' |
| 22:34.11 | Manoj_ | fvwm is not bad either, but it seems to getting more an more features |
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| 22:34.26 | antgel | !tell LightVision about repeat |
| 22:34.32 | takatumi | Manoj_: ain't you still the fvwm dev? :) |
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| 22:34.47 | Manoj_ | pusling, I think you have manually add the archive key to the set of known good keys for apt |
| 22:34.50 | antgel | LightVision: aptitude is recommended. if you are new, you shouldn't be doing dist-upgrades anyway |
| 22:34.55 | Manoj_ | takatumi, yes |
| 22:34.55 | ries | takatumi: Manoj_ I'' try ion first then... |
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| 22:35.26 | pusling | Manoj_: got a quick howto ? |
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| 22:35.47 | Manoj_ | takatumi, I think fvwm's major selling point is maximal configurability _with_ the smallest possible footprint; but if memory is an issue, the configurability gets in the way a trifle |
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| 22:36.01 | whitehorse1 | Yep, same as before. apt-cache policy xserver-common output, pipes (||) denote new line: xserver-common: || Installed: .3.0.dfsg.1-14 Candidate: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 Version Table: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4sarge1 0 || 500 http://people.debian.org sarge/main Packages *** 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 0 || 1001 http://mirror.ox.ac.uk stable/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 22:36.09 | Manoj_ | pusling, err, my memory fails me in my old age. wait a sec |
| 22:36.19 | takatumi | Manoj_: that's the only WM I'm yet to configure. |
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| 22:36.35 | whitehorse1 | Sorry, that was in response to _antgel_'s request |
| 22:36.42 | grelli | ignoring joins/parts/kicks/quits makes #debian so much easier to read |
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| 22:37.16 | takatumi | grelli: yeah, lotsa infected machines with spam bots around lately. |
| 22:37.39 | grelli | takatumi: most of the channels I frequent are so low traffic, I forget how to do it in irssi |
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| 22:37.55 | grelli | and everytime I decide I need to spend more time in #debian, I end up looking for it again |
| 22:38.09 | LightVision | antgel: well I did a dist-upgrade and it said 0 files needed |
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| 22:38.40 | Manoj_ | pusling, a quick look failed to turn up anything. I do recall doing it, though |
| 22:38.41 | takatumi | /help ignore ;) |
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| 22:38.53 | LightVision | antgel: which is a good sign I guess :) |
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| 22:39.08 | grelli | it feels good to have my machine pure debian again |
| 22:39.12 | toonX | takatumi yep , thanks for the link |
| 22:39.16 | pusling | Manoj_: i tried apt-key update - and it tells me that debian-keyring is not installet - but I knoow it is .. |
| 22:39.21 | LightVision | grelli: :) |
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| 22:39.37 | Unified | hi |
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| 22:39.43 | grelli | I'd switched to ubuntu for a while, but it was time to come home |
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| 22:39.47 | Unified | how can i move more than one folder at the same time with mv? |
| 22:39.48 | takatumi | toonX: that was just a google search of your exact search keys. ;) |
| 22:39.48 | LightVision | pusling: if its indeed installed, why does it report its not? |
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| 22:40.07 | pusling | LightVision: I don't know ... |
| 22:40.07 | LightVision | grelli: welcome home son, we missed you :) |
| 22:40.21 | grelli | heh |
| 22:40.27 | Manoj_ | pusling, ah yes. You need to download the archive key (not the4 debian keyring), and say apt-key add /path/to/archive/key |
| 22:40.32 | orchid | pusling: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 22:40.38 | grelli | now, it's time to inform udev that it likes my iPod |
| 22:40.45 | LightVision | grelli: im new to debian and linux, 3 days now |
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| 22:41.12 | amphi | LightVision: and still effervescent ;0 |
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| 22:41.20 | takatumi | udev has been pretty obedient the past year or so here. |
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| 22:41.43 | Manoj_ | pusling, /etc/apt/trusted.gpg shows I have pub 1024D/4F368D5D 2005-01-31 [expires: 2006-01-31] Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 22:41.54 | grelli | takatumi: what I'm aiming for is a bit more customisation |
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| 22:42.10 | grelli | I liked some of the automounting that ubuntu did by default |
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| 22:42.31 | grelli | but I want devices created specific to the device, instead of running up the sd? chain |
| 22:42.38 | takatumi | grelli: that's probably gnome-volume-manager nastiness. |
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| 22:42.50 | vladster | well. it is a boat anchor now |
| 22:43.15 | takatumi | grelli: I haven't tweaked a single rule, and my usb key is always sda1. |
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| 22:43.23 | vladster | My kid spilled a mountain dew into a ti laptop I got for free |
| 22:43.26 | Manoj_ | grelli: what kinds of stuff? I have been slowly adding stuff to /etc/master |
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| 22:43.41 | whitehorse1 | antgel: Moving forward from that, I brought up xserver-common properties in synaptic too; it's green ie installed and the version is 4.3blah - the one xserver-xorg complains about. The version tab of that properties window tho does list 6.82.blah (people.debi...) as the topmost of the two available versions. (the other being the one that's already installed, except it has (stable) after it) |
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| 22:44.14 | grelli | Manoj_: well, I've got a usb flash disk, a 4 port card reader, my ipod, a 2.5inch usb hard drive enclosure, and a 5.25 inch usb enclosure |
| 22:44.18 | Manoj_ | I need to write up a little something that listens to HAL events and uses ssh-ask-pass to ask me the usb encryption key, and then use mount to mount stuff |
| 22:44.27 | grelli | I'm trying to bring some sense to it all |
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| 22:45.48 | takatumi | Manoj_: looked at pmount? |
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| 22:47.18 | antgel | whitehorse1: 1. i'm not a synaptic expert. 2. i'm trying to get something working so that i can get home before 1am. someone else will have to help you. what if you do apt-get install xserver-common at a root shell? |
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| 22:48.15 | grelli | muahahah |
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| 22:48.31 | Dade` | j #debianitas |
| 22:48.39 | grelli | now it still gets assigned a /dev/sd?, but it also creates a /dev/ipod that points to sd?2 |
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| 22:48.49 | takatumi | Dade`: s/nit/nist |
| 22:48.51 | grelli | and I can then use eject /dev/ipod |
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| 22:49.10 | whitehorse1 | antgel: I'll try that then. I didn't mean to impose by the way. Your help wasn't unappreciated; you've been extremely generous with your time - thank you. |
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| 22:50.29 | grelli | marvelous |
| 22:50.31 | grelli | I love days off |
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| 22:50.47 | antgel | ok, #openswan is dead... |
| 22:50.51 | takatumi | don't remind me, I start work tomorrow. |
| 22:50.53 | paulswm | Someone offered gracious thanks here? What *is* this place coming to? :P |
| 22:51.07 | antgel | i'm getting ipsec_auto: fatal error in "roadwarrior": left and leftnexthop must not be the same http://channels.debian.net/paste/641 |
| 22:51.23 | antgel | this is a simple setup = just roadwarriors, no net-to-net |
| 22:51.29 | hacim | antgel: you might want to try openvpn |
| 22:51.44 | antgel | hacim: no i don't. |
| 22:51.45 | grelli | takatumi: what do you do? |
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| 22:52.05 | hacim | antgel: ok, I simply found it easier to setup than free/openswan |
| 22:52.08 | antgel | this is a config file lifted from another machine, same version of openswan! |
| 22:52.15 | takatumi | grelli: manage e-business at a bank. |
| 22:52.22 | paulswm | Starting work on a Sunday is a bit of a bummer. |
| 22:52.25 | steve_ | hey- is there a program out there to connect my wifi to any open ap's automatically? |
| 22:52.30 | antgel | hacim: i'm sure it is, that is not in doubt. but we want ipsec. |
| 22:52.37 | ShortWave | Alrighty |
| 22:52.44 | ShortWave | Does Debian have a nifty X-configurator? |
| 22:52.48 | amphi | steve_: waproamd perhaps |
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| 22:52.58 | grelli | takatumi: a little more glamorous than I |
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| 22:53.19 | ries | Manoj_: takatumi ion3 seems to be a nice chooise |
| 22:53.22 | whitehorse1 | ShortWave: I believe so, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ConfiguringX for the details |
| 22:53.38 | takatumi | ries: that |
| 22:53.43 | takatumi | 's what I run. |
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| 22:54.33 | ries | takatumi: still need to learn where the menu is now :) |
| 22:54.58 | antgel | !tell ShortWave about drxx |
| 22:55.53 | grelli | hmmm |
| 22:55.55 | grelli | strange |
| 22:56.13 | grelli | anyone here use an ipod on linux? I've got a curiosity here I want to clear up |
| 22:56.27 | grelli | I can mount the vfat partiton no problem, read and right, when I unmount |
| 22:56.37 | grelli | or say, eject /media/ipod |
| 22:57.05 | grelli | eject spits out: unable to open /dev/sdf2, and the ipod continues to have the do not disconnect screen |
| 22:57.28 | grelli | I have to run eject /dev/sdf as root to be able to safely disconnect |
| 22:57.46 | ShortWave | !tell shortwave about xmd5 |
| 22:57.53 | TwistedEmotions | !drxx ShortWave |
| 22:57.54 | dpkg | ShortWave: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 22:58.15 | ShortWave | I seen that already |
| 22:58.16 | ShortWave | :) |
| 22:58.22 | ShortWave | I've hand-edited my X config file. |
| 22:58.25 | SynrG | grelli: eve. ltns |
| 22:58.31 | ShortWave | Should I just toast it and start over? |
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| 23:04.33 | whitehorse1 | q) If I'm aiming to apt-get install something at a root shell, would that mean I just open an X-terminal as root, while in KDE. Or, do I need to exit KDE completely (in which case, as the GUI starts automatically at reboot bringing me to the login window how would I proceed)? I looked in the deb reference under fundamentals and necrotic.deadbeast.net faq but turned up nothing. |
| 23:04.58 | WhiteRabbit | whitehorse1, su - |
| 23:05.57 | markos_ | whitehorse1: you could even login remotely, it doesn't really matter. what's important is that the command apt-get runs as root |
| 23:06.09 | whitehorse1 | whiterabbit: but are you sure just doing it via a terminal window's okay? the app's xserver-common btw |
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| 23:06.34 | WhiteRabbit | whitehorse1, you have a few empty consoles already open |
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| 23:06.54 | WhiteRabbit | whitehorse1, ctrl+alt F1-3 or even ^ higher |
| 23:07.02 | whitehorse1 | WhiteRabbit: Well now. Is my security that bad?! |
| 23:07.11 | WhiteRabbit | no |
| 23:07.23 | markos_ | whitehorse1: how you achieve that is your choice, but there are many ways, {konsole,xterm,gnome-terminal, etc]+su, remote ssh, new X11 session, etc |
| 23:07.23 | whitehorse1 | ohh you can't see onto my pc,.. 'ahem' :> |
| 23:07.50 | WhiteRabbit | whitehorse1, if you have paypal we can ;)~ |
| 23:08.03 | whitehorse1 | ;p |
| 23:08.11 | mwilson | whitehorse1: Uh, why wouldn't you just use sudo? |
| 23:08.22 | mwilson | whitehorse1: Or switch to another VT? |
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| 23:08.49 | borgasman | Every geeks dream clock muahahaha »» http://systemsecure.org/ssforum/viewtopic.php?t=162 |
| 23:09.00 | whitehorse1 | mwilson: well, then I have to remember to type in the switches. by the way, don't s'pose you're any relation to mwilson as in works with Lisa? |
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| 23:09.30 | markos_ | whitehorse1: personally, i have a konsole with ~10 terminals and one of these is root |
| 23:09.32 | witless | m using gimp from debian unstable. is the custom page size supposed to work? i try entering 11" x 6.125" but the print dialog resets it to 5.5" x 8.5" |
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| 23:09.33 | mwilson | "type in the switches"? What "switches" would those be? |
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| 23:09.44 | antgel | mwilson: he's new and not a moron. please attempt to be nice |
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| 23:10.05 | mwilson | antgel: He made the statement, it's up to him to explain it. |
| 23:10.07 | whitehorse1 | mwilson: -r IIRC. |
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| 23:10.52 | mwilson | whitehorse1: What does that do? |
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| 23:12.40 | whitehorse1 | do? well, I don't use it much, since I'm too busy in a root terminal courtesy of gksu; so I'm sure I wouldn't remember :) |
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| 23:13.12 | mwilson | sigh |
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| 23:13.23 | whitehorse1 | man sudo might tell you. |
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| 23:13.41 | whitehorse1 | illegal option |
| 23:13.46 | whitehorse1 | ok point taken :-| |
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| 23:14.12 | ardy_ | does anyone know where I can get a debian 3.2(testing)init.d/kdm script? |
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| 23:14.39 | xsquared | hi, what should i use if i want to monitor the total data transferred over and ethernet card at a certain time? |
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| 23:14.51 | xsquared | an ** |
| 23:14.59 | mwilson | ardy_: There is, of course, something wrong with the one kdm actually provides. |
| 23:14.59 | markos_ | xsquared: i personally like/use iptraf |
| 23:15.13 | xsquared | markos_: thanks :) |
| 23:15.23 | vorlon | ardy_: it's incorrect to refer to testing as "Debian 3.2", fwiw. |
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| 23:16.16 | markos_ | vorlon: actually it's more close to being 3.1999999.... :-) |
| 23:16.20 | ardy_ | vorlon, mwilson: oh... I deleted the script by accedent and I was wondering where I could get it again? |
| 23:16.21 | antgel | whitehorse1: blame your bleeding edge hardware. also, perhaps you should forget about x.org. you seem to have a desktop, what's the problem? |
| 23:16.29 | thingfish | whitehorse1: it takes time and effort, yes. |
| 23:16.42 | markos_ | ardy_: you could just reinstall the kdm package |
| 23:16.44 | whitehorse1 | thingfish: amen to that :/ |
| 23:16.57 | vorlon | ardy_: you would get it from the kdm package; you'll need a particular dpkg option to force it to restore missing conffiles |
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| 23:17.05 | antgel | whitehorse1: that is because it's good and not for morons |
| 23:17.20 | antgel | ardy_: dpkg -x to extract the package (say in /tmp), then cp the file |
| 23:17.28 | vorlon | ardy_: dpkg --force-confmiss /path/to/downloaded/kdm.deb, looks like |
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| 23:17.40 | ardy_ | vorlon: ok great thanks |
| 23:17.54 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you there? |
| 23:18.06 | d0uglas | any speak recognition ware being developed? |
| 23:18.12 | antgel | !seen deadcat |
| 23:18.12 | dpkg | deadcat is currently on #debian (4h 34m 42s). Has said a total of 24872 messages. Is idling for 3h 21m 2s |
| 23:18.23 | d0uglas | speech |
| 23:18.35 | TwistedEmotions | 24872 messages? |
| 23:18.35 | ardy_ | vorlon: where does dselect place the packages it installed? |
| 23:18.36 | TwistedEmotions | wow |
| 23:18.44 | TwistedEmotions | that fool can talk. |
| 23:18.48 | m2 | d0uglas: there's something from IBM, I think, commercial probably. |
| 23:18.52 | TwistedEmotions | !seen TwistedEmotions |
| 23:18.52 | dpkg | twistedemotions is currently on #debian (3h 45m 45s). Has said a total of 5787 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 23:18.54 | vorlon | ardy_: if they were downloaded with apt, they're in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 23:19.16 | markos_ | d0uglas: apt-cache search speech recognition lists a few candidates, i've heard of at least one of them before |
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| 23:21.03 | d0uglas | thanks markos .. one of these days i'll try apt-cache searching before i ask in irc :) |
| 23:21.14 | markos_ | d0uglas: why not do both? :-) |
| 23:21.41 | antgel | d0uglas: next you'll be putting on your socks before your shoes :) |
| 23:22.37 | grelli | damnit |
| 23:22.46 | JimButton | any idea how to debug a problem with an ibook just switching itself off during normal operation. kernel is 2.6.12.5, battery was more than half full, it was plugged into a power outlet, and there is nothing in the logfiles |
| 23:22.52 | grelli | that'll learn me to walk away from the computer when I hear people start talking about my car upstairs |
| 23:23.01 | JimButton | oh, the . after the first sentence should be a ? |
| 23:23.02 | grelli | SynrG: indeed indeed, how's it going? |
| 23:23.06 | somePriest | grelli, You have a car upstairs? |
| 23:23.16 | somePriest | grelli, I would talk about that too :) |
| 23:23.17 | grelli | somePriest: well, technically |
| 23:23.24 | grelli | it's upstairs, and then out the door |
| 23:23.31 | whitehorse1 | forcing (latest) version in synaptic = bad? |
| 23:23.37 | SynrG | grelli: not too bad. Overfiend reminded me of my "roots" here on #debian, so i've come back to lurk for a while |
| 23:23.59 | grelli | SynrG: that's rather entertaining |
| 23:24.05 | ardy_ | vorlon: I tried dpkg --force-confmis kdm_4%3a3.3.2-1_i386.deb and I recieved the error dpkg needs an action |
| 23:24.06 | grelli | I too have decided to come back to my roots |
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| 23:24.15 | vorlon | ardy_: sorry, dpkg -i --force-confmiss |
| 23:24.16 | grelli | I just punted ubunto off my workstation and put debian back on |
| 23:24.17 | whitehorse1 | screw it i'll do it anyway. needs must. |
| 23:24.23 | SynrG | grelli: nodnod |
| 23:24.43 | antgel | whitehorse1: did you try the apt-get command i suggested? |
| 23:24.44 | ardy_ | oh.. thanks.!!! |
| 23:24.44 | grelli | somePriest: in reality, I heard them talking about mileage, and my brother made a comment about what I was getting |
| 23:24.54 | markos_ | JimButton: well, in that case 'proper' debugging means meddling with electronis to measure if the charge of the battery is properly reflected to the system but i don't think you would want that :-) |
| 23:24.56 | ardy_ | vorlon: thanks.. it worked |
| 23:24.59 | grelli | so I felt I should go up there |
| 23:25.19 | somePriest | grelli, On my bike at 140kmh I used to get twice what my current Dodge Neon gets :( And prices now are a lot higher. |
| 23:25.37 | whitehorse1 | antgel: I was still working out the root aspect; appearently I can do it via a terminal window in kde. i'll give it a whirl. |
| 23:25.55 | grelli | somePriest: I just bought a Golf TDI, but even she can't touch what bikes get |
| 23:26.01 | vorlon | arafat: sure. |
| 23:26.02 | markos_ | somePriest: that's a motorbike right? (trying to imagine a normal bike at 140km :-) |
| 23:26.03 | antgel | whitehorse1: su. type root password. whirl. ctrl-d to logout from that shell |
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| 23:26.19 | bucky | ford festiva... 40 mpg |
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| 23:26.29 | grelli | whitehorse1: ctrl-alt f7, usually |
| 23:26.31 | vorlon | arafat: bah. sorry. |
| 23:26.42 | whitehorse1 | ok. merci grelli/antgel |
| 23:26.44 | somePriest | markos_, Ya, a CBR600 F1. |
| 23:26.49 | JimButton | markos_: no, i wouldn't :) |
| 23:27.13 | xsquared | w000t! my USB camera just got supported |
| 23:27.41 | markos_ | JimButton: i don't own an ibook myself, but that behaviour sounds surprisingly similar to my own vaio's battery |
| 23:27.49 | green_earz | whitehorse1: track down " konsole " and you can be " su " there |
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| 23:28.07 | mathieu_ | anyone know how i would stream sound coming to /dev/pcm on my computer over the internet ? |
| 23:28.12 | markos_ | JimButton: it's ok until it reaches 40-50% then it goes straight to 0% and stays there for a few minutes and then switches off |
| 23:28.13 | JimButton | markos_: i once tried to open this ibook, then i got scared and put everything back together. they are built really compactly :) |
| 23:28.21 | markos_ | mathieu_: you need icecast |
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| 23:28.49 | mathieu_ | markos_, ok but is that just for streaming mp3s or will it stream anything coming out of my speaker ? |
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| 23:29.04 | markos_ | JimButton: mine is 5y old, i've opened it all the time, i think it even likes now :-) |
| 23:29.10 | JimButton | markos_: heh |
| 23:29.25 | SynrG | mathieu_: icecast can suck the audio off of pcm |
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| 23:29.31 | SynrG | mathieu_: or wherever |
| 23:29.38 | markos_ | mathieu_: hm, i've used it for mp3 and oggs not anything else though |
| 23:29.48 | SynrG | mathieu_: i've used it to stream vinyl |
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| 23:30.00 | markos_ | there u go :-) |
| 23:30.26 | mathieu_ | SynrG, can it stream audio from pcm in realtime ? |
| 23:30.30 | JimButton | it is really annoying for several reasons.was just typing a long email, probably have to retype everything; the stupid USB ports are only USB 1, so the e2fsck on the external 160G drive takes ages; etc.pp. |
| 23:30.38 | SynrG | mathieu_: there is a buffer, so it is delayed ... |
| 23:30.41 | antgel | ok, i think i just read something about streaming vinyl. i need to go home. night all |
| 23:30.49 | grelli | hmmmm |
| 23:30.52 | SynrG | mathieu_: but if you count that as "realtime" even with the delay, then yes |
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| 23:31.13 | grelli | so apparently, once the ipod is unmounted, it is fine to disconnect even if it says do not disconnect |
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| 23:31.27 | mathieu_ | SynrG, sounds like this is what i want, thank you very much |
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| 23:31.54 | SynrG | mathieu_: np. did some time with freenode radio as a broadcaster for a while using icecast |
| 23:31.59 | SynrG | mathieu_: it was loads of fun |
| 23:32.25 | grelli | SynrG: sadly, freematrix is a mere shadow of what FNR was |
| 23:32.27 | whitehorse1 | pfft. apt-get install lies. installed xserver-common is not the latest version bleh. |
| 23:32.27 | LightVision | im using Sarge, so is this safe to add to my sources.list? deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-volatile sarge/volatile main |
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| 23:33.28 | takatumi | if volatility is what you after, run testing. |
| 23:33.32 | SynrG | grelli: sad |
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| 23:34.10 | TwistedEmotions | !volatile |
| 23:34.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 23:34.15 | grelli | SynrG: it really is |
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| 23:34.18 | grelli | I miss the good ole days |
| 23:34.26 | SynrG | so do i. |
| 23:34.33 | grelli | I blame you |
| 23:34.35 | SynrG | but i have barely time to lurk here, let alone broadcast |
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| 23:34.41 | grelli | you left, then things went downhil |
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| 23:34.42 | grelli | l |
| 23:34.43 | SynrG | oh really? how is this my fault? |
| 23:34.46 | SynrG | ah |
| 23:34.49 | LightVision | takatumi: Im using Sarge, so is this safe to add to my sources.list? deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-volatile sarge/volatile main |
| 23:34.50 | grelli | so OBVIOUSLY its your fault |
| 23:34.50 | SynrG | grelli: you flatter me. |
| 23:34.51 | grelli | duh |
| 23:34.54 | weasel | SynrG: it's all your fault. stop denying |
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| 23:35.17 | weasel | LightVision: depends on your definition of safe. I have added it. |
| 23:35.17 | JimButton | SynrG: i don't know what y'all are talking about, but i am happy to blame you, too... |
| 23:35.18 | SynrG | it's party Ariannah's fault then :) |
| 23:35.27 | Ariannah | ok, it's my fault |
| 23:35.34 | grelli | holy monkey |
| 23:35.39 | grelli | I didn't even see Ariannah there! |
| 23:35.45 | Ariannah | <---- scapegoat by default |
| 23:35.57 | Ariannah | hi grelli |
| 23:36.06 | nvz | I was sitting here reading the release notes for Window Vista beta 1. its like page after page of nothing.. but somehow it makes you feel good and want to buy microsoft products.. heh |
| 23:36.12 | LightVision | weasel: ok |
| 23:36.38 | grelli | Ariannah: how've you been doing? |
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| 23:36.48 | Ariannah | great! |
| 23:36.51 | Ariannah | yourself? |
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| 23:39.11 | grelli | pretty well |
| 23:39.24 | Ariannah | good to hear |
| 23:39.37 | nvz | I'm still waiting for the US Treasury to print the Million Dollar Bill Gates. |
| 23:39.41 | grelli | a lot of things have changed in the last year and a bit |
| 23:40.01 | Ariannah | yep |
| 23:40.15 | grelli | hell, I've been girlfriended! |
| 23:40.18 | grelli | it's madness! |
| 23:40.21 | SynrG | grelli: :) |
| 23:40.25 | SynrG | grelli: broke now, hm? |
| 23:40.33 | Morti | SynrG: Bah, beat me to it. ;) |
| 23:40.43 | grelli | SynrG: well, I'm closer to broke because of the new car than because of the girl |
| 23:40.44 | Ariannah | grelli: congratulations.... |
| 23:40.45 | dvs | !beer grelli |
| 23:40.51 | dvs | for sympathy |
| 23:40.55 | grelli | guinness? how'd you know?! |
| 23:41.04 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:41.05 | Seb | everyone like Guiness, hehe |
| 23:41.12 | Seb | sup everyone ? |
| 23:41.15 | Ariannah | <--- doesn't like guinness hahaha |
| 23:41.25 | Seb | bah |
| 23:41.31 | grelli | I guess we're about to find out if we can put hyphens in the symlinks that udev makes |
| 23:41.42 | takatumi | kingfisher is all I like, guinness ain't too bad. |
| 23:41.53 | dvs | grelli: Sure, I do |
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| 23:42.33 | garyc_ | could someone read my question about my cd burner it is too long to post here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=62195 |
| 23:42.45 | grelli | dvs: excellent |
| 23:42.49 | Seb | u-bun-tu |
| 23:42.55 | Seb | !ubuntu |
| 23:42.55 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 23:43.00 | takatumi | garyc_: why have you posted it in the ubuntu forums? |
| 23:43.06 | grelli | my card reader just got assigned /dev/cr-cf, /dev/cr-sd, etc |
| 23:43.06 | FieldySnuts | ask #ubuntu . no, we don't care if they don't know. |
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| 23:43.10 | Seb | takatumi: take a wild guess :> |
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| 23:43.23 | nvz | speaking of devices I thought I was in the twilight zone the other day when I tried to resize a filesystem on an LVM Logical Volume the other day.. what the hell do you specify as the device name? |
| 23:43.23 | funkyHat | is cookie auth for phpmyadmin alright? or is control user auth better? |
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| 23:43.39 | amphi | garyc_: did you try with cdrecord? things are easier to debug with command line progs IMHO |
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| 23:43.41 | takatumi | Seb: just to be on the safe side, maybe a mis-guided pastebin seeker. |
| 23:43.46 | steve_ | hey using fetchmail- i get this error: |
| 23:43.47 | garyc_ | yes, i did |
| 23:43.52 | LightVision | weasel: so you have never had any troubles because you use: deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-volatile sarge/volatile main ? |
| 23:43.53 | steve_ | SMTP error: 550 unknown user |
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| 23:44.01 | steve_ | any idears? |
| 23:44.02 | takatumi | !d-i garyc_ |
| 23:44.03 | dpkg | garyc_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 23:44.10 | grelli | hmmm |
| 23:44.14 | grelli | speaking of girlfriend |
| 23:44.17 | grelli | I need to go pick her up |
| 23:44.18 | amphi | garyc_: you use ide-cd or ide-scsi? |
| 23:44.31 | LightVision | grelli: or boyfriend in your case |
| 23:44.35 | Seb | nvz: /dev/volumename/partitionname ? |
| 23:44.40 | takatumi | grelli: made my wife happy, debian can print. ;) |
| 23:44.40 | LightVision | grelli: :) |
| 23:44.54 | whitehorse1 | steve: the server doesn't recognise you. so, assuming you're connecting to the right one then perhaps try yr username with the @sign and domain after it. if you already were then ignore that |
| 23:45.01 | LightVision | takatumi: thats great! nothing worse than a nagging wife |
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| 23:45.07 | grelli | I'll be back in a few |
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| 23:45.14 | Seb | LightVision: a nagging girlfriend |
| 23:45.16 | SynrG | grelli: later |
| 23:45.18 | takatumi | or a GF |
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| 23:45.19 | weon | what install , gnome 2.10? |
| 23:45.20 | SynrG | grelli: nice to see you again |
| 23:45.26 | nvz | Seb: df was calling it /dev/mapper/lvgname-lvname but that wasnt liked by resize2fs |
| 23:45.30 | grelli | SynrG: yeah, same here |
| 23:45.30 | LightVision | thats why im single :) |
| 23:45.36 | grelli | SynrG: I hope you stick around here man |
| 23:45.38 | Seb | nvz: hmmm |
| 23:45.55 | uieywuiewbdmz | alo:P |
| 23:46.05 | Seb | nvz: so what did you end up using ? |
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| 23:46.23 | Ariannah | uh yeah |
| 23:46.24 | SynrG | grelli: it's a lot of traffic. i'll have to see how it goes. |
| 23:46.25 | nvz | Seb: I just backed up and erased the fucker and started over :P |
| 23:46.31 | Seb | nvz: haha |
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| 23:46.39 | nvz | Seb: spent way way way too many hours trying to figure it out |
| 23:46.42 | Seb | nvz: next time try my solution, I think it's that |
| 23:46.52 | Ariannah | grelli take care |
| 23:46.56 | Seb | nvz: the LVM howto is *real* good, though. Examples of everything, no ? |
| 23:47.20 | nvz | Seb: I dunno, I set the shit up with D-I I didnt need to learn how it worked :P |
| 23:47.29 | Seb | nvz: muhaha |
| 23:47.41 | Seb | nvz: I learnt in like 15 minutes with this howto. Really good stuff. |
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| 23:48.12 | lexande | is there a command line tool to convert OOO 1.x (.sxw) documents to OOO 2.0 (.odt) documents? |
| 23:48.19 | takatumi | nvz: keep formatting, read the 15 min howto while you are at it. ;p |
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| 23:48.26 | Seb | lexande: #openoffice, #oo ? |
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| 23:48.32 | k-man | do i have to restart anything after adding udev rules? |
| 23:48.33 | steve_ | what does this mean: |
| 23:48.33 | Seb | heh |
| 23:48.36 | steve_ | ak |
| 23:48.47 | steve_ | localdomain bounced to all.students-report@stmarys-ca.edu |
| 23:48.48 | Seb | steve_: syn/ack |
| 23:48.59 | nvz | takatumi: I only got 3 machines hooked up in front of me running synergy.. its not like I can multi-task or anything |
| 23:49.00 | steve_ | mail bounced? |
| 23:49.08 | Seb | steve_: what MTA are you using ? |
| 23:49.13 | steve_ | fetchmail? |
| 23:49.17 | steve_ | exim4? |
| 23:49.19 | steve_ | i dunno |
| 23:49.23 | lexande | Seb: 4 and 0 people in those channels, respectively |
| 23:49.25 | Seb | steve_: /join #exim |
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| 23:49.33 | takatumi | nvz: aren't you playing bzflag while you're at it? |
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| 23:49.51 | Seb | lexande: ask anyway, many channels are not as intereactive as this one... |
| 23:49.53 | nvz | takatumi: I dont have anything here that can handle bzflag |
| 23:50.13 | lexande | which is why i'm asking in this one |
| 23:50.24 | delire | anyone else here experienced an ext3 fs being mounted as ext2 with the dmesg output "ext2_fill_super" as the 'reason'? same .config from a 2.6.10 used in a 2.6.12.5 tree gives this outcome. means i can't hdparm -d 1 /dev/mydevice |
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| 23:50.46 | Seb | with what cool apt-gettable game(s) could I waste like 2-3 hours on Debian ? I got a sorta okayish video card (old nvidia)... |
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| 23:50.54 | Seb | lexande: well nobody knows for now. |
| 23:50.58 | justin | delire: um, the filesystem on the device nas nothing to do with dma |
| 23:51.01 | Seb | dpkg , tell lexande about repeat |
| 23:51.05 | Seb | lexande: just as a prevention ;) |
| 23:51.08 | delire | Seb: check out glest |
| 23:51.12 | delire | justin: i would have thought so yes |
| 23:51.13 | FieldySnuts | dma is a hardware thing, not software (filesystem) |
| 23:51.20 | nvz | takatumi: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. ProSavage KM133 (rev 03), 0000:00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82810E DC-133 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 03), 0000:00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c775/86c785 [Trio 64V2/DX or /GX] (rev 14) |
| 23:51.21 | Seb | delire: no such package ? |
| 23:51.30 | Seb | heh |
| 23:51.32 | garyc_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:51.39 | delire | Seb: oh |
| 23:51.41 | justin | delire: maybe you shouldn't be using random development kernels? |
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| 23:51.57 | delire | justin: 2.6.13 is the same |
| 23:52.03 | Seb | tell garyc_ about ubuntu |
| 23:52.07 | takatumi | nvz: why are you pasting those numbers at me? :) |
| 23:52.11 | Seb | dpkg, tell garyc_ about ubuntu |
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| 23:52.22 | nvz | takatumi: thats my shitty video hardware |
| 23:52.22 | justin | delire: debian kernels work? |
| 23:52.26 | takatumi | !badgerknoppix |
| 23:52.27 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
| 23:52.35 | kadigibox | wtf is with this? http://www.sco.com/scosource/ipprotection.html |
| 23:52.41 | nvz | takatumi: I could play bzflag but it would be all white and the server would be kicking me for lag |
| 23:52.43 | garyc_ | good god no body wants to help |
| 23:52.49 | FieldySnuts | ~troll garyc_ |
| 23:52.50 | apt | ACTION hereby declares garyc_ a troll |
| 23:52.51 | Seb | kadigibox: more importantly, wdf are you pasting it here ? |
| 23:52.51 | delire | justin: i haven't got that far. i've had little luck in other areas on this laptop with stock kernels. |
| 23:53.18 | Seb | delire: little luck like... ? |
| 23:53.20 | delire | justin: thanks all the same. i'll poke around |
| 23:54.03 | Seb | so no cool apt-gettable 3D games ? |
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| 23:54.13 | Seb | yeah, I know, it could be construed as a survey :> |
| 23:54.21 | garyc_ | seb: im asking here because no one else wants to help or can help ive been to #ubuntu |
| 23:54.26 | delire | Seb: acpi, buttons, firewire et al |
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| 23:54.30 | dvs | !debian based |
| 23:54.30 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 23:54.40 | justin | delire: ran e2fsck lately? |
| 23:54.47 | kadigibox | I am posting it here cause someone is telling me that I have to get a license |
| 23:54.48 | Seb | delire: hmmm. linux-laptop.net does't have any examples of debian installs on *you* laptop ? |
| 23:54.48 | SimonRaven | kadigibox: flatulent faeces |
| 23:54.50 | delire | Seb: gltron, neverball, |
| 23:54.54 | delire | justin: yes |
| 23:55.07 | SimonRaven | kadigibox: they're either lying, or pulling your leg |
| 23:55.16 | Seb | delire: hmm, I might tried neverball, I used to dig MM |
| 23:55.19 | SimonRaven | kadigibox: or just as ignorant |
| 23:55.22 | kadigibox | well the website says I have to get a license too |
| 23:55.30 | takatumi | delire: try supertransball2 |
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| 23:55.37 | delire | Seb: my laptop runs beautifully on 2.6.10 and generaly very well on my custom kernels. |
| 23:55.39 | SimonRaven | kadigibox: ignore the stupidity. they have absolutely no claim |
| 23:55.41 | delire | takatumi: i will |
| 23:55.42 | lexande | garyc_: does it work if you use cdrecord from the command line? |
| 23:55.51 | Seb | delire: just not with precompiled debian kernels ? |
| 23:56.14 | delire | Seb: runs well, just a little starved on features. |
| 23:56.22 | Seb | delire: k |
| 23:56.29 | takatumi | delire: no other options left to turn on near ext? (in menuconfig) |
| 23:56.35 | ma3x | hello |
| 23:56.40 | lexande | garyc_: if so, mess with/upgrade k3b etc. if not, mess with/upgrade your kernel and tools with "cd" in the package name. |
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| 23:56.48 | garyc_ | lexande: no, i tried that. i used instructions from wiki at ubuntulinux.org |
| 23:56.57 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: ff SimonRaven |
| 23:56.57 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: fartfish |
| 23:57.02 | delire | takatumi: no, an identical config. nvm |
| 23:57.05 | delire | cheers all |
| 23:57.19 | ma3x | i have more accesspoints, but i always get connected automatically. How can I choose to whichone to connect? because i dont know if im connected to the one on the 11th floor or to the one on the 9th floor |
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| 23:57.31 | nvz | hmm is it a $leading or following$ that hides shares from windows boxes... |
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| 23:57.47 | Seb | nvz: i vote for trailing |
| 23:57.51 | lexande | following$ |
| 23:58.08 | Seb | ma3x: iwconfig & friends |
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| 23:58.11 | nvz | trailing thats the word I was thinking of |
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| 23:58.16 | Seb | :D |
| 23:58.18 | SimonRaven | FieldySnuts: hi |
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| 23:58.24 | lexande | garyc_: does it work under crappier operating systems which we shall not name here? |
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| 23:58.26 | Seb | nvz: english not your 1st language ? |
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| 23:58.47 | nvz | nope, pittsburghese. I am a yinzer |
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| 23:58.53 | lexande | Seb: following is correct too |
| 23:58.58 | SimonRaven | kadigibox: giving them your money would be like giving a thief your wallet, willingly, and without being held up |
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| 23:59.00 | xsquared | hi, im having a bit of trouble installing the spca5xx webcam drivers. When i try to make the files, i get a few errors and warnings.. like: include/asm/processor.h:87: error: array type has incomplete element type. What can i do? |
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| 23:59.14 | Seb | lexande: oh I'm very sure, if you say so. English is not *my* first language ;) |
| 23:59.14 | raden | anyone have any clue why id get a message PCI parity error |
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| 23:59.28 | nvz | Seb: actually I learned to speak in texas, then moved back to pittsburgh and made it worse |
| 23:59.38 | Seb | heheh |
| 23:59.52 | Seb | xsquared: i'd say your module verison doesn't match the kernel one ? |
| 23:59.58 | ma3x | Seb, whats that friends? |
